[GreenKeys] TTY Oil Ad Yeeech

Sat Aug 27 08:22:20 EDT 2011

I routinely run things like telephone shells, the case from my Model 28 TD, and the like through the dishwasher. The dishwasher is perfect for cleaning coiled telephone cords (don't bother with modular cords, for some reason those don't work in the dishwasher). No, I would not run a valuable telephone shell in the dishwasher, only common ones that are getting the Joe Herdler treatment of sanding and polishing. Valuable ones will get sent to a phone restorationist if I ever come across one. 

Now I know a gentle soul who rebuilds car engines who will ran some connecting rods through his sister's dishwasher once when he was taking care of her dogs whilst she was on vacation. That turned out not to be conducive for sibling togetherness in that particular situation.

Joe

--- On Fri, 8/26/11, DR HOUSE <Packard42 at gmail.com> wrote:

From: DR HOUSE <Packard42 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] TTY Oil Ad Yeeech
To: "Jim Hammock" <ki0dn at comcast.net>
Cc: "greenkeys at mailman.qth.net" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Date: Friday, August 26, 2011, 3:00 PM

Thanks Jim,

I failed to tell you I did this when she was out having lunch with her  
sisters.  I will send the photos of the typing unit on the NADCOMM list.

Don
K9TTY

On 18 Aug 2011, at 7:28 AM, Jim Hammock wrote:

Hi all,

Okay, Don has settled it, One Lube and One Grease.  Anyone whose wife  
lets him live to 69 after running a typing unit through the dishwasher  
and clothes dryer knows more about slick than all the rest of us put  
together.

Happy Birthday Don.

Jim
KI0DN

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> 2. Re: Teletype Oil (Ad Nauseum) (Gerry Block)
> 3. Re: Teletype Oil (Ad Nauseum) (Keelan Lightfoot)
> 4. Re: Teletype Oil (Ad Nauseum) (Christian Gauger-Cosgrove)
> 5. Re: Teletype Oil (Ad Nauseum) (DR HOUSE)
> 6. Re: Mod 14KSR (DR HOUSE)
> 7. Re: Teletype Oil (Ad Nauseum) (Sheldon Daitch)
> 8. Re: Mod 14KSR (Lee Mushel)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 20:14:44 -0400
> From: Steve Garrison <steve.n4seg at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Military 28
> To: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>
> Cc: "greenkeys at mailman.qth.net" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <B86EACF1-0E03-4BDD-97AF-9E9CC1E5BF50 at gmail.com>
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> I guess you may be right and I shot off my mouth too quick!
>
> Steve G./N4SEG
>
>
> On Aug 17, 2011, at 8:11 PM, Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> Well he's an "antique radio" guy who buys whole estates - not a TTY
>> guy so doesn't really know what he has. He does say Best Offer and in
>> the past I have bought some things from him and if I gave a good
>> explanation why my best offer was reasonable, he'd go along with it.
>> So if you're interested in something, it can't hurt to make an offer.
>> Usual disclaimers - I have no pecuniary interest and YMMV.
>> cheers,
>> Nick
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Steve Garrison <steve.n4seg at gmail.com 
>> > wrote:
>>> Looks like a piece of junk and this guy wants way more than any of  
>>> his items warrant.
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 17:28:18 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Gerry Block <gblock at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype Oil (Ad Nauseum)
> To: Richard Knoppow <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>,    Jim Haynes
>  <jhhaynes at earthlink.net>
> Cc: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
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> You can get non-detergent mineral oil at any aviation maintenance  
> hangar.? Its
> cheap.?? It is used for engine break in.
>
> Gerry
> AD6MC
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Richard Knoppow <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>
> To: Jim Haynes <jhhaynes at earthlink.net>
> Cc: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Wed, August 17, 2011 3:10:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype Oil (Ad Nauseum)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Haynes" <jhhaynes at earthlink.net>
> To: "Richard Knoppow" <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>
> Cc: "Bruce Gentry" <ka2ivy at verizon.net>;
> <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype Oil (Ad Nauseum)
>
>
>> One of the questions I don't know the answer to: In KS7400
>> there was some
>> volatile substance that gave it the distinct aroma, and in
>> 3-in-1 it
>> is citronella.? Is the volatile component there solely to
>> give the mixture
>> a trademark odor?? Or does it have a function, such as
>> helping the oil to
>> get into tight places and then evaporating to leave the
>> oil behind?
>>
>> In some early document that I can't find right now
>> Teletype specifically
>> said not to use 3-in-1 oil.? I guess that stuff has been
>> around for a
>> long time.? Perhaps it is too thin.? I've been using
>> 3-in-1 large motor
>> oil, which is in a blue and white can rather than the red,
>> white and black
>> can, and is 20 weight.? It used to be said that automotive
>> engine oil
>> should be non-detergent, as the detergent would make all
>> the parts turn
>> green.? I've used detergent oil in a pinch and have not
>> had anything
>> turn green, so maybe detergents have changed.
>>
>> I have had some former Western Union machines with
>> selector trouble, and
>> when I took the separator plates apart there was a green
>> varnish-like
>> substance on them.? I don't know whether W.U. used some
>> oil of their
>> own formulation that led to the problem, or whether it
>> occurs with
>> KS7400 oil.
>>
> ? ? ? I believe regular 3 in 1 oil has a solvent in it so it
> changes viscosity with age. 3 in 1 also sells regular SAW 20
> machine oil under its brand. This is _not_ the same stuff as
> the regular 3 in 1 and seems to be perfectly satisfactory
> for small motor bearings and similar applications. I have no
> idea what gives 3 in 1 its odor but it does not smell like
> Citronella oil to me. I grew up with Michigan mosquitoes and
> chiggers and we wore Citronella to keep them off. Actually,
> I think it attracted them.
> ? ? ? Nye sells very highly refined oil in several
> viscosities. More expensive than 3 in 1 and will probably
> have to be ordered via the web (see Tai Oils for small
> quantities) but is superior stuff.
> ? ? Also, I think the detergent in motor oil is supposed to
> prevent the generation of "lacquer" from heating of various
> substances from combusion. I don't know if it works at lower
> temperatures. Also note that if you decide to use motor oil
> the synthetics may be slipperier and longer lasting.
>
>
> --
> Richard Knoppow
> Los Angeles
> WB6KBL
> dickburk at ix.netcom.com
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 18:17:57 -0700
> From: Keelan Lightfoot <keelan at mail.grenander.com>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype Oil (Ad Nauseum)
> To: Keelan Lightfoot <keelan at mail.grenander.com>
> Cc: Green Keys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <21D0C30F-F32F-4427-887E-76FE874944FF at mail.grenander.com>
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> On 2011-08-17, at 12:20 AM, Keelan Lightfoot wrote:
>
>> I've been reading the GreenKeys archives, and It's surprising how  
>> often the topic of oil comes up here. Without re-opening the  
>> subject for debate, I just wanted to throw something out to the  
>> group.
>
> Can't say I didn't try!
>
> - Keelan
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:21:51 -0400
> From: Christian Gauger-Cosgrove <captainkirk359 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype Oil (Ad Nauseum)
> To: Richard Knoppow <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>,
>  greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID:
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> Though not the best source out there in the world, Wikipedia
> specifically states silicone grease does not damage rubber (i.e. does
> not swell it or soften it). On the otherhand rubber can be damaged by
> hydrocarbon (oil) based greases. This I can state firmly (with my
> chemistry knowledge) is true. Also, silicone grease is non-conductive.
> Neither are flouroether greases.
>
> My friend suggested silicone grease and flouroether grease as they're
> very inert substances (flouroether grease can only be removed by
> expensive, hard to find flourinated solvents) that are waterproof and
> prevent the corrosion of the surfaces they cover. Plus their
> non-volatility means they don't degrade over time, so if you somehow
> forget about your teletype for a decade, you won't come back to a
> solidified mass of "Yech! ...The hell is that?"
>
> Too bad they cost a lot more then "normal" grease. Then again they
> last a lot longer. So whether your time or your money is more valuable
> to you is the question to consider.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Christian
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 17 August 2011 18:45, Richard Knoppow <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>  
> wrote:
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve Schlink" <sschlink at mindspring.com>
>> To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 3:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype Oil (Ad Nauseum)
>>
>>
>> "rubber" compounds are attacked by "silicones". The other
>> concern about
>> using silicone around electronics is that one of its
>> properties is a very
>> high dielectric strength. Given its propensity to creep,
>> that could be a
>> problem on the various contacts.
>>
>> ? ? I think this is backwards. High dielectric strength
>> means resisance to arcing, i.e., good insulating qualities.
>> I think the bulk resistance of silicone rubbers is also high
>> meaning it should be good stuff around contacts.
>>
>> ? ? ? ? Not sure why we need anything different than has
>> been used on them
>> for the last 50 years.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> ? ?Well, consider that older lubricants had a strong
>> tendency to become gummy and lose their lubricity. More
>> modern lubricants are both better lubricators and last very
>> much longer.
>> ? ?You want something that will maintiain efficient
>> operation of the parts, reduce wear to a minimum, have a
>> long operating life, and not damage anything. Modern
>> lubricants do better at all of these than the older ones.
>>
>> --
>> Richard Knoppow
>> Los Angeles, CA, USA
>> dickburk at ix.netcom.com
>>
>>
>>
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> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 23:39:56 -0500
> From: DR HOUSE <Packard42 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype Oil (Ad Nauseum)
> To: Keelan Lightfoot <keelan at mail.grenander.com>
> Cc: Green Keys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
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> It seems no two Teletype people think the same about this.
>
> Just let me make my eternal recommendation...  (Bite your lip George!)
>
> Get some ONE LUBE.  It is made by the Slick 50 company and is
> available in most WALMART and Home discount stores such as ACE, HOME
> DEPOT and LOEWES... Also some auto parts stores.  Combined with their
> other product ONE GREASE I do not think you can go wrong.
>
> I have used these products on Teletype machines ranging from the Model
> 12 to the Model 37 and with excellent results.  The superior chemistry
> has the following attributes.
>
> 1. It does not dry up.
> 2. It stays slippery.
> 3. It does not attract dirt.
> 4. It stays clean and keeps lubricating long after other oils have
> dried up or turned sticky.
>
> The original oil specified by Teletype Corporation and the Bell System
> was made to a Kearny Specification (KS-7470) by the American Oil
> Company and was determined some years ago to be almost identical to
> SAE 20 Motor Oil.  Also the Teletype lubrication recommendations
> printed up between the Model 15 period... up to 1953 reads just about
> like the recommendation for your 4-cycle lawn mower.
>
> It goes something like this (not having it handy)
> Temperature below 40 degrees use 10 Weight oil with 10 percent  
> kerosene.
> Above 40 but below 50 degrees use 10 Weight oil
> Above 50 degrees use 20 Weight oil
>
> The grease we used in the Bell System can still be found occasionally
> in tubes designated KS-7471 and seems to be almost identical to wheel
> bearing grease used before the invention of Lithium based greases.
>
> Bottom line is...
>
> I recommend the One Lube and One Grease because of my long experience
> with it.  It is almost disappointing to pull out a typing unit after
> regular use over a years time, only to find the felts nice and wet and
> the metal surfaces clean as a whistle and nice and slippery.
>
> NO I do not have any stock in the Slick 50 company.
>
> Last warning... use WD-40 only for helping to re-activate the ink in
> ribbons and not for any lubrication. WD-40 becomes very sticky when
> exposed to heat.
>
> I am tempted to send images to my NADCOMM list of the rusty typing
> unit I bought on ebay, ran through our dishwasher, dried in our
> clothes dryer (on a sweater rack) and lubricated with One Lube.  Sent
> the unit to Pittsburgh for display where it sat for over a year and
> was sent back to me recently as a screw had come out of the selector
> clutch.  The typing unit looks like it was manufactured and lubricated
> yesterday.
>
> End of message...  Don R. House, K9TTY -- 69 years young today.
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 23:57:54 -0500
> From: DR HOUSE <Packard42 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Mod 14KSR
> To: DLe9480907 at aol.com
> Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <998A2E86-5FE4-4CF1-822C-CD3B389D4382 at gmail.com>
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> Thanks... I am bidding on the unit. It is NOT a KSR..
> It is a Keyboard Typing Printer (KTP) It does not punch tape... only
> prints.
>
> The owner is also an Illinois Bell retiree like me.
>
> Best,
> Don
> K9TTY
>
>
>
> On 17 Aug 2011, at 6:58 PM, DLe9480907 at aol.com wrote:
>
> A Mod 14 KSR tape unit on Ebay 320742012072 in  IL.
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> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 13:54:19 +0300
> From: Sheldon Daitch <sdaitch at kuw.ibb.gov>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype Oil (Ad Nauseum)
> To: Steve Schlink <sschlink at mindspring.com>
> Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <4E4CEF5B.7060806 at kuw.ibb.gov>
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> We use considerable amounts of silicone grease on rubber O-rings for
> glass tube
> fittings on the vapor phase cooling systems in our transmitters, as  
> well
> as the
> O-rings in transmission line connectors and wave guide connectors  
> and never
> any problems that we are aware of, where the silicone grease attacks  
> the
> rubber.
>
> I'd say that every Andrew coaxial connector with rubber O-rings and  
> gaskets
> contains a small tube or two of silicone grease.
>
> 73
> Sheldon
> WA4MZZ
>
>> I have to disagree about silicone not attacking rubber. Take a look  
>> at the
>> O-ring manufacturer's sites and you will see that several synthetic
>> "rubber" compounds are attacked by "silicones". The other concern  
>> about
>> using silicone around electronics is that one of its properties is  
>> a very
>> high dielectric strength. Given its propensity to creep, that could  
>> be a
>> problem on the various contacts.
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 07:18:21 -0600
> From: "Lee Mushel" <herbert3 at centurytel.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Mod 14KSR
> To: "DR HOUSE" <Packard42 at gmail.com>, <DLe9480907 at aol.com>
> Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <0094E2B23EFD4BCF966121E34205799E at NewComputer>
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>  reply-type=original
>
> Don,
>
> I was the first bidder.   I don't need or necessarily want the  
> machine and I
> was rather hoping that you were the person who bid it away.   I  
> don't want
> it junked.  And I don't want to make a trip to Chicago, either.
>
> But then, since you haven't found those keycaps for me yet I think I  
> might
> bid it up a couple of hundred bucks at the last minute!  :-)
>
> Lee
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DR HOUSE" <Packard42 at gmail.com>
> To: <DLe9480907 at aol.com>
> Cc: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 10:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Mod 14KSR
>
>
>> Thanks... I am bidding on the unit. It is NOT a KSR..
>> It is a Keyboard Typing Printer (KTP) It does not punch tape... only
>> prints.
>>
>> The owner is also an Illinois Bell retiree like me.
>>
>> Best,
>> Don
>> K9TTY
>>
>>
>>
>> On 17 Aug 2011, at 6:58 PM, DLe9480907 at aol.com wrote:
>>
>> A Mod 14 KSR tape unit on Ebay 320742012072 in  IL.
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