[GreenKeys] ticker tape ID continued

W2HX w2hx at w2hx.com
Sun Jan 17 13:19:26 EST 2010 

I don't have a lot to add, but here's what I can.

I've owned the following tickers over some years.

1. New York Quotation 
2. Universal
3. 3A self winding
4. 5A (black box teletype)
5. teletype 900 (I believe that is the model number) also shown here:
http://www.stocktickercompany.com/stc/history/images/28.jpg Just the top
part, I don't have the bottom stand or the cover

All of these used 3/4" tape. None have used 11/16th.  I don't know what the
teletype used, I must say. Of these, I have only have left the NYQ, two 5A
black boxes (slightly different versions) and the teletype (late model)

Here is a scan of a piece of 11/16" that K0TTY helped me produce from my 5A
several years ago after he got it working. We didn't have 3/4" at the time
so we tried to run 11/16ths though.  My 5A is missing an inker roller so
Jack manually inked the type wheel  but the result was some hard to read
type.  You can enlarge the picture to get more detail. You can also make out
some numbers/fractions on the bottom row.

http://www.hertzmail.com/5a/Tape-Sample.JPG

if you're interested, you can also go up one level in the directory to see
some other photos and docs.

On the NYQ ticker, here is a photo that kinda shows the type wheel. 
http://www.hertzmail.com/ticker/big/dsc01386.jpg

more photos:
http://www.hertzmail.com/ticker/


Here is the NYQ in all its glory with the correct dome I found many years
later (and cost me as much as the ticker!)
http://www.hertzmail.com/familyphotos/Study/4.bmp


And here are some other photos that might interest you.
http://www.hertzmail.com/familyphotos/Study/5.bmp

and some other antique electro-mechanical stuff I have
http://www.hertzmail.com/familyphotos/Study/



73 W2HX


-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Robert House
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:35 PM
To: GreenKeys
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] ticker tape ID continued

I am surprised we have not heard from by now.  He has some of  
these machines.
Sadly many of the later fast Teletype tickers went to the scrapper.

Don

On 16 Jan 2010, at 3:17 PM, Brooke Clarke wrote:

Hi Lar:

Not the same company, but the same idea.  A buzzing type motion turns a
ratchet wheel that winds the spring.

Have Fun,

Brooke Clarke
http://www.PRC68.com


Larry Tighe wrote:
> The Phelps aka Self Winding, Burry & NY Quotation tickers had replaced
> =============================
>
> "Self Winding" ? ? ?   Is that the same as the Self Winding clock
> company that made the Western Union clocks???
>
> lar
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brooke Clarke"  
> <brooke at pacific.net>
> To: "GreenKeys" <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Cc: <gil at baudot.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 1:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] ticker tape ID continued
>
>
>> Hi Gil:
>>
>> The standard ticker tape format was letters in the top row and  
>> numbers
>> in the bottom row.
>> That makes it easy to search for the ticker symbol letters without  
>> being
>> distracted by the numbers.
>> Since they all printed the tape that way it may be difficult to tell
>> which printer was used.
>>
>> Another way to look at it would be by the patents.
>> Black Friday, Sep 24, 1869 spurred the development of the Edison
>> Universal tickers which were all patented by 1873.
>>
>> The Phelps aka Self Winding, Burry & NY Quotation tickers had  
>> replaced
>> the Universal tickers by October 29, 1929.
>> http://www.prc68.com/I/StkTckPat.shtml#SW
>>
>> That spurred the development of the 5A which was used up to the  
>> 1960s.
>> http://www.prc68.com/I/WU5A.shtml
>>
>> Have Fun,
>>
>> Brooke Clarke
>> http://www.PRC68.com
>>
>>
>> gil at baudot.net wrote:
>>> Hi folks:
>>>
>>> I am still trying to find info on the machine that produced the  
>>> ticker
>>> tape in the following pictures -- the tape pieces are said to have  
>>> come
>>> from October 1929.
>>> http://www.baudot.net/gil/Unknown-Ticker-Tape-003.jpg
>>> http://www.baudot.net/gil/Unknown-Ticker-Tape-007.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>> I have not really looked into tickers much in the past, but from the
>>> responses of some folks on greenkeys, and some digging around, I  
>>> have
>>> learned a lot more about them.  I did not know the story behind the
>>> crash of 29 and how the tickers could not keep up with the trading
>>> volume.  Interesting little machines.
>>>
>>>
>>> If the ticker tapes in the pictures are indeed from 1929, it sounds
>>> like
>>> they should have come from one of the old spring or motor-driven  
>>> "glass
>>> dome" tickers, perhaps the universal or self-winding ticker:
>>> http://www.antiquecircus.com/html/tickers.html
>>> http://edison.rutgers.edu/ticker.htm
>>> http://www.lostwackys.com/tickers/self-winding-tickers.htm
>>>
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/western-union-universal-stock-ticker
>>>
>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=603561061753260739#
>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7109822530630001313#
>>>
>>>
>>> The much faster "Black Box" ticker, developed by Teletype,  
>>> apparently
>>> didn't see service until at least 1930:
>>> http://www.edisonticker.com/black-box-stock-ticker/
>>> http://www.edisonticker.com/black-box-stock-ticker/guts.htm
>>> http://www.prc68.com/I/WU5A.shtml
>>>
>>>
>>> I have been surprised that I have not been able to find any detailed
>>> images of ticker tape.  You would think that a lot of it would have
>>> survived.  I have not really found confirmation on tape width  
>>> either.
>>> Some mention has been made of 3/4 inch, but I don't know for sure.
>>>
>>>
>>> Two things bother me about the tapes in the picture:
>>> 1) they are 11/16" wide, which may or may not be correct for the  
>>> older
>>> glass tickers.
>>> 2) the text impression looks very crisp, and makes me wonder if it  
>>> is
>>> from a later machine.
>>> But I am just guessing about this.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am wondering if the text impressions of the older ticker machines
>>> would be denser, as in this clip:
>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6984170521861020996#
>>>
>>>
>>> Could the tape in the picture possibly be from a later machine?
>>> Can anyone who has a 5-A or later machine send pics of printed
>>> output or
>>> the typewheel?
>>> Can anyone who has an earlier machine send pics of printed output or
>>> the
>>> typewheel?
>>> Can anyone confirm tape width on any ticker?  I'm not even certain  
>>> of
>>> the tape size used in the 5-A.
>>>
>>>
>>> The scrap of page printer copy could have come from a Model 12 (news
>>> wire service) or from a
>>> "Broad Tape" bulletin printer (financial news wire service).
>>>
>>>
>>> Broad Tape ticker was a "page printer" that use a 5-inch wide paper
>>> roll.
>>> http://www.lostwackys.com/tickers/dow-jones/
>>>
>>>
>>> To anyone here who has a broad tape machine, or a model 12, can you
>>> send
>>> me any samples of printed output?  I am guessing that that early
>>> machine
>>> only had one typeface -- it that true?
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks for any info you guys might have,
>>>
>>>
>>> gil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> gil smith
>>> greenkeys moderator
>>> gil at baudot.net
>>> www.baudot.net
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