[GreenKeys] GreenKeys Digest, Vol 79, Issue 17

Wed Aug 11 00:19:23 EDT 2010

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>    1. Re: wooden-cased TTY on ebay (Richard Dillman)
>    2. Re: wooden-cased TTY on ebay (w8au at sssnet.com)
>    3. Re: Wheatstone/Morse Perforator on eBay... (Don Robert House)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 23:11:02 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Richard Dillman <ddillman at igc.org>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] wooden-cased TTY on ebay
> To: w8au at sssnet.com, dmm at lemur.com, greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
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> >It looks exactly like a Morse perforator.  And...upon close
> >inspection of the tape punch
> >head, you see a two-level perforator with a center sprocket
> >punch.  Morse tape was
> >a two level system to drive an on-off keying arrangement.  Although
> >it is labeled
> >as a teletype perforator, it's just a Morse perforator made by Teletype
> > Corp.
>
> Correct, OM.  And they are typically called "Kleinschmidts" or "Kleins". 
> We have several in service at KSM.
>
> >And it will never sell for that price! (Unless someone has a CW museum?)
> >I have had two of them over the years and still have one.  They are
> >useless unless you have a Boehme or McElroy keying head to send the CW.
> >Today's computers do this with software.
>
> <gak!>
>
> Well, yes, that's true.  But for the full effect of time travel one must
> punch the tape (wearing one's green eyeshade), make a loop of it (for a the
> repeating "wheel") and glue the ends together with mucilage (nothing else
> will do).
>
> When I first started punching tape on the Klein I quickly realized there
> was no way to correct a mistake.  So I asked some of the old timers how
> they handled that situation.  They looked at me in my eye and said "we
> didn't make mistakes".  Not boasting, mind.  Just stating the fact.
>
> We have several Boehme keying heads in service.  While these can be used at
> 20-30wpm for the wheel or the traffic list, these devices have a three
> speed transmission a variable speed DC motor and a cool spedometer.  You
> can crank 'em up to 120wpm or higher (depending on model).  These speeds
> were used to put traffic across point to point circuits, especially during
> the war.
>
> At the receive end the incoming signal was recorded as an undulating line
> on paper tape by a siphon pen.  Banks of operators sat before typewriters
> across which the tape was drawn.  They read the tape and typed the message.
>  There are photos of all this on our Web site (URL below)
>
> >W1AW used this older system until 30-40 years ago.  Maritime Coastal
> > stations did also, but in later years switched to computers.
>
> Blasphemy.  Well, actually we do send the press and weather from computers
> at KSM.  But when men were men...
>
> RD
>
> =================================
> Richard Dillman
> Chief Operator, Coast Station KSM
> Maritime Radio Historical Society
> http://www.radiomarine.org
> =================================
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 23:43:31 -0400
> From: w8au at sssnet.com
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] wooden-cased TTY on ebay
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
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> When I made my comment about Coastal Stations eventually switching to
> computers, I KNEW
> that Mr. KPH/KSM would have something to add.... :-)
>
> I loved playing with my "Klein" and McElroy head years ago.  I would
> test my copying ability
> (in my head) by running the Keying head up to 120 wpm... Never got
> much over 80...
> As with mechanical RTTY versus "glass RTTY," the electromechanical
> systems even for CW are much more fun... the noise really adds to the
> atmosphere!!
>
> Perry  w8au
>
> At 11:11 PM 8/10/2010, Richard Dillman wrote:
> >they are typically called "Kleinschmidts" or "Kleins".  We have
> >several in service at KSM.
> >
> >for the full effect of time travel one must punch the tape (wearing
> >one's green eyeshade), make a loop of it (for a the repeating
> >"wheel") and glue the ends together with mucilage (nothing else will do).
> >
> >When I first started punching tape on the Klein I quickly realized
> >there was no way to correct a mistake.  So I asked some of the old
> >timers how they handled that situation.  They looked at me in my eye
> >and said "we didn't make mistakes".  Not boasting, mind.  Just
> >stating the fact.
> >
> >We have several Boehme keying heads in service.  While these can be
> >used at 20-30wpm for the wheel or the traffic list, these devices
> >have a three speed transmission a variable speed DC motor and a cool
> >spedometer.  You can crank 'em up to 120wpm or higher (depending on
> >model).  These speeds were used to put traffic across point to point
> >circuits, especially during the war.
> >
> >At the receive end the incoming signal was recorded as an undulating
> >line on paper tape by a siphon pen.  Banks of operators sat before
> >typewriters across which the tape was drawn.  They read the tape and
> >typed the message.  There are photos of all this on our Web site (URL
> > below)
> >
> > >W1AW used this older system until 30-40 years ago.  Maritime
> >
> > Coastal stations
> >
> > >did also, but in later years switched to computers.
> >
> >Blasphemy.  Well, actually we do send the press and weather from
> >computers at KSM.  But when men were men...
> >
> >RD
> >
> >=================================
> >Richard Dillman
> >Chief Operator, Coast Station KSM
> >Maritime Radio Historical Society
> >http://www.radiomarine.org
> >=================================
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:45:21 -0500
> From: Don Robert House <k9tty at dls.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Wheatstone/Morse Perforator on eBay...
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <0D9BA3D8-2807-4075-A6FC-2804DB73BF2A at dls.net>
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> The Morkrum Kleinschmidt later Teletype Corporation Morse Perforator was
> a very popular product spanning many years.
>
> According to it's inventor, Edward E. Kleinschmidt, one of the
> earliest produced
> was returned to him by a customer who had used it every day for over
> 30 years.
> I am glad I have his book... the price below is for an autographed
> copy...
>
> Don K9TTY
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> Printing Telegraphy. a New Era Begins  ($100.00)
> Kleinschmidt, Edward E.
> Bookseller: Martin Nevers- used & rare books (Oxford, FL, U.S.A.)
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> Book Description: Self Published. Hard Cover. Book Condition: Vg. 8vo
> - over 7?" - 9?" tall. 63 pages. Green binding with gold lettering on
> front cover. About 20 pages of B/W photos. Bottom corner tips of front
> and back covers bumped. Photos of book on request. Signed and dated
> 1965 on Title Page By Author. Bookseller Inventory # 007605
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>
> On 10 Aug 2010, at 9:42 PM, Duncan M. Brown wrote:
>
> Dave,
>
> It may be a "teletype" but it is not a "teleprinter" or
> "teletypewriter".
> It is a "Weatstone perforator" or 'Morse perforator" made by the
> Teletype
> Corporation. It punches two rows of holes and was used to transmit
> high-speed Morse Code.
>
> Since it says "Teletype Corporation" on it, this unit is no older than
> about 1925.
>
> Have fun,
>
> Duncan
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: <dmm at lemur.com>
> > To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> > Date: 10-Aug-10 22:27:05
> > Subject: [GreenKeys] wooden-cased TTY on ebay
> >
> >
> > Out of a newbie's curiousity, what is the wood-cased Teletype listed
> > on ebay as item 130419736422 ?  It's too rich for my budget, but I'm
> > just curious.
> >
> > Regards,
> > David M.
> > ===
> > Dr. David M. MacMillan * dmm at lemur.com * www.lemur.com &
>
> www.CircuitousRoot.com
>
> >  The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts.
> >      - Paul Ehrlich (1854-1915); Aldo Leopold
> >
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I'm with Perry, K8AU...the noise plus the aroma of warm oil adds to the charm 
of the electromechanical devices.  I'm a mainframe jock and still prefer the 
old machinery!
Gary WA0NDN CR CR LF LTRS
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