[GreenKeys] FW: ST8000 and PK232

Sun Sep 27 18:12:34 EDT 2009

ZCZC

Further clarification....I think...

1) this is talking about the HAL ST-8000, not the more-prolific
ST-8000A.

2) the ST-8000 is being used as a front end modem for the PK232...the
8000
having much better filtering and "adjustability"

3) the PK232's "multimode" features remain the same, except now the
ST-8000
is the "tuning unit" versus the filters that are in the PK232.

4) the ST-8000's RS232 output connections are used as the input to the
PK232

5) this could be done with the ST-8000A, except there are less knobs
to
fiddle with than the 8000 (in fact, there are no knobs on the 8000A).

6) you could also use a Dovetron TEMPEST unit as the front end and it
would
give you lots of knobs to adjust...

7) by the way...for you PK232 users...I used to run a Model 33
Teletype
as my otput "terminal" with the PK232 when I was on 2M packet. You can
set
the terminal baud rate to 110 baud (works with a 35, also, of course).
How's that
for "retro"?

Jack K0TTY

-----Original Message-----
From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Lou Dietrich
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:26 AM
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [GreenKeys] ST8000 and PK232

Guys,

A few week ago, I obtained a ST8000 from one of the guys on the
reflector and managed to hook it up to my ST8000....Thanks to Dino,
(KL0S) for the connection information....

Here's a link to the info....

http://www.qsl.net/k0bx/st8000.htm

This information, originally authored by W1VXV, who is now NT1V
explains in detail how to use the ST8000 in front of the ST8000 and
how to modify the PK232...

After following the instructions, I found the combination worked but I
had to keep the ST8000 in Reverse to decode...and because it was in
Reverse, I could not use the Regen B/B function. 

Looking at the schematic on page 162 of the Maintenance Manual, I
noticed that the instruction mentioned above uses Pin 3 RXD as the
output from the ST8000 to the PK232. This will drive the output
voltage High for a Space....I believe the PK232 needs a low...

So taking a wild (educated?) guess, I moved the connection to Pin 10
of the ST8000 Terminal Connector. This pin provides a High for Mark
and a Low for Space.

Now everything works as it should without having to keep the ST8000 in
Reverse and the Regen feature is functional.

The above is for information only...in case anyone else may search for
this information...

A sincere thanks to those on this reflector for all their
assistance...Ham spirit at work...and great to see....

73/ Regards....

Lou N2TU

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Subject: GreenKeys Digest, Vol 68, Issue 24
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Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 12:00 PM

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   2. Re: Can You Identify This reader-punch unit? (John Nagle)
   3. TMC MRK-1 Morse Relay Keying Unit (Barry Tuttleman)
   4. Re: REAL RTTY (Don Robert House)

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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:29:52 -0400
From: wa3frp at aol.com
Subject: [GreenKeys] REAL RTTY
To: herbert3 at centurytel.net
Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
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Hi!

I am in the same boat as you.? I get married in the 1970s and with
kids didn;t have the time to continue on RTTY.? 

Then, I retired 5 years ago and got the time to clean up my M28ASR,
sort out my ST-6 that I built in 1970 and 

start-up my Collins T-440 TX and R-30A RX.? All of the gear had been
unused for 30 years but was functional after 

a few weeks work.

Then, I started tuing around and found that "everyone" was using a
computer!

What a change...but I was lucky because I had the mod kits to add
automatic carriage return and line feed to my

M28ASR.? Once they were installed, I was good to go and have so far
worked WAC RTTY,?all 50 states for WAS 

RTTY, a total of 218 DXCC countries on RTTY?with 119 yet to work, and
all CQ zones for WAZ RTTY.

So, the old gear is still competitive in the pileups and on the bands.

73 es DX

Russ WA3FRP??

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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 10:01:31 -0700
From: John Nagle <nagle at animats.com>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Can You Identify This reader-punch unit?
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <4ABE48EB.20904 at animats.com>
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 > From: Don Robert House [mailto:k9tty at dls.net]
 > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:42 PM
 > To: Chris Elmquist
 > Subject: Re: Can You Identify This reader-punch unit?
 >
 > On 24 Sep 2009, at 9:25 AM, Chris Elmquist wrote:
 >
 > Hey Guys,
 >
 > Can anyone identify the punch unit on this website,
 >
 > 
http://www.ericmackonline.com/ICA/BLOGS/emonline.nsf/dx/nonmagnetic-di
gital-storage-at-10-bytes-per-second

There are clearly some Teletype components there, but it's not part of
a
Teletype.  It's not a Friden Flexowriter component either.  However,
many early computer manufacturers used Teletype punches in their own
products.

I can't find an exact match yet.  But it may be an early DEC-era
peripheral.
Take a look at

http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~djg/htdocs/pc04/small/punchside.jpg

That's a later DEC high-speed punch, but note the similarity of
the layout.  Both are set up for motor drive through a timing belt.
Note the big flat-toothed sprockets.  In Mack's device, the
sprocket is there, but the belt and motor are missing.

Mack's device requires external electronics.  Note the optical
interrupter,
the metal timing disk with slot, and all those wires going to the
DB-25 connector.  This thing is intended to be driven by something
with electronic buffering.  So it's part of a computer peripheral.

The DEC high speed punch mentioned above shows a somewhat similar
mechanism with its support hardware - power supply, motor, toothed
belt, and drive electronics.

After looking at the DEC hardware pictures on line, I can't find any
exact matches in DEC gear.  It may be from one of DEC's competitors.
Probably dates from the late 1960s or early 1970s.  Earlier than
that, and it wouldn't use an optical interrupter for timing.
Later than that, the drive electronics would be small enough they
would have been packaged with the punch.

                John Nagle

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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:13:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Barry Tuttleman <bdtuttleman at att.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] TMC MRK-1 Morse Relay Keying Unit
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <52686.4005.qm at web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

group:

this was posted to the TMC list, and someone said it might help to
post here, have not received any info as yet:

any info/docs on the unit?  TMC MRK-1, Morse Relay Keying Unit.  unit
will be for sale.

tnx,
barry
carson city, nv

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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:32:56 -0500
From: Don Robert House <k9tty at dls.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] REAL RTTY
To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <32FC0DFC-A903-4690-9B50-DC097677A86F at dls.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes

Recently I have been quoting O Henry... "They have seen the elephant  
and heard the owl"

Perhaps we have heard the Teletype and smelled the oil !

73,
Don
K9TTY

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