[GreenKeys] Experience on this list

Fri Jun 19 01:14:54 EDT 2009

Have to go with Don on this. I have "digital" phone available for
about 1/3 of what I pay for copper service, this is through my
employer. When they asked me why I didn't have the company
service I told them I needed something that worked most of the time.
Not real popular at work and I'm one of the ones that keep all
the digi crap working.......mostly :)>

Funny phone story that I wish wasn't true. We had an early winter
storm a few years back that trashed most of the city utilities. A neighbor
came over and asked to use the phone as hers wasn't working. Okay
she makes the call and I offer to go check the lines to her house. Lines
up butt set at protector works go inside and she hands me her
CORDLESS phone and says see it's not working.  Power was off in the
neighborhood for about 9 days and this was day 3 so I get her a
spare desk phone, hook it up, show her dial tone and she picks up the
CORDLESS handset again and says it's still not working. They drive,
reproduce and generally make a mess of things.......

Ron

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Robert House" <k9tty at dls.net>
To: "Charles Ring" <w3nu at roadrunner.com>
Cc: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Experience on this list

> Charles Ring is having ringing problems... Hmmm
>
> Many of the VoIP convertor boxes only have enough ringing support for
> up to 2 ringer equivalents.
> A WECo 300, 500, 1500, or 2500 as designed is 1 Ringer Equivalent.  So
> you can have only two of these 40 year life cycle phones before there
> is a chance that an additional phone will not ring.  The "modern
> phones" with electronic ringers have much lower ringer equivalents,
> such as 0.2, 0.3, 0.4, etc.
> You can usually tell if your box has a lower or higher ringing
> capacity by the capacity rating of the "wall wort" power supply.  The
> higher capacity boxes usually have a 24 or 48 volt supply with 1000 ma
> rating.  Be suspicious of the units with a 12 to 18 volt supply.
>
> Good luck on VoIP.  I will stick with my old fashioned "land line"  it
> works even when I have lot my electric power.
>
> Old Bell head,
> Don
> K9TTY
>
>
>
>
> On 17 Jun 2009, at 5:13 PM, Charles Ring wrote:
>
> I have had similar experience including Vonage tech support telling me
> "very authoritatively" that my Western Electric 2500 phone was "too old"
> to ring properly with their adaptor. Many other equally extreme examples
> of total ignorance with an air of authority. I and the rest of us have
> to be careful we don't get angry enough to cause a stroke during one of
> these calls and I am not kidding.
>
> 73 de W3NU
>
>
>
> hunybuny at eskimo.com wrote:
> > Tell me 'bout it...
> >
> >
> > I have a flat screen / LCD / monitor.
> >
> > Built-in is the OSD (on screen display).
> >
> > It is accessed by pressing front panel buttons. You do not need a
> > computer.
> >
> > Within the OSD is function called "SLEEP".
> >
> > SLEEP is used to have the monitor go into standby when it is not
> > needed.
> >
> > When you go into the SLEEP menu there are three things you can do:
> >
> >  o Set the timeclock.
> >
> >  o Set the time to go to sleep.
> >
> >  o Set the time to wake up.
> >
> >
> > OK - are you with me so far? I know this feature is cutting-edge
> > technology from a thousand years in the future and many of you will
> > simply not be able to grasp it. Well - maybe NOT YOU - but for the
> > manufacturer's technical support people it certainly is.
> >
> > I entered the sleep function. I set the clock. The next day the
> > clock was
> > off by 30 minutes. Of course, before calling tech support, I ran some
> > tests to make sure it was the monitor and not me. I even
> > disconnected the
> > monitor from the computer and put it on the kitchen counter and ran
> > a test.
> > Same thing: off 30 minutes in 24 hours.
> >
> > I've called T.S. 4 times now. You wouldn't *believe* the idiots I get:
> >
> > (you can skip the rest of this post if you don't want to hear any
> > more ranting)
> >
> > (this is the dialog from the 4th time I called)
> > TS: What is the serial number and model number?
> > ME: (give it)
> > TS: OK - I have the service ticket. Let me read what's been happening.
> > ME: (wait 10 minutes)
> > TS: OK - what seems to be the problem?
> > ME: ??? - didn't you just read the service ticket?
> > TS: Yes.
> > ME: Do you support this product?
> > TS: Yes.
> > ME: Have you EVER SEEN one?
> > TS: Yes.
> > ME: Do you have the user's manual?
> > TS: Yes.
> > ME: OK - when I set the SLEEP clock it loses 30 minutes in a 24 hour
> > period.
> > It loses 30 minutes in 24 hours whether it is connected to ANY of my
> > computers
> > or completely disconnected or even sitting on the kitchen table
> > plugged into
> > the wall but powered down. Do you understand that I just told you.
> > TS: Yes.
> > ME: OK - so there is a problem with the on-board clock. It probably
> > needs to
> > be adjusted.
> > TS: Let me check on this...
> > ME: OK (can't wait for his answer - after the last 3).
> > TS: Hello, sir?
> > ME: Yes....
> > TS: That unit doesn't have an internal sleep timer.
> > ME: ??? It most certainly does. I thought you said you've seen one
> > of these?
> > TS: Let me check on this...
> > ME: OK (can't wait for his answer now).
> > TS: I need to connect to your computer.
> > ME: I'm running Linux - and I'm not on the internet.
> > TS: OK give me your IP.
> > ME: That won't help: I told you that I'm not on the internet and I'm
> > running Linux.
> > TS: Well - I can't help you without the IP.
> > ME: OK OK OK - it's 127.0.0.0
> > TS: OK - just let me connect...
> > TS: I can't connect to your computer.
> > ME: That's probably because it is not on the internet.
> > TS: ... (finally sinks in).
> > TS: Let me check on this...
> > ME: OK (can't wait for his answer now).
> > TS: The problem is with your Linux operating system. You need to
> > call the
> > Linux vendor.
> > ME: It has nothing to do with the O/S. The problem happened even
> > when the LCD
> > is not connected to any computer.
> > TS: The problem is with your Linux operating system.
> >
> > I've been thru this 4 times now. I've asked for the address of a local
> > service center so I can bring the thing in and have them look at it.
> > They
> > won't give me one. They tell me they're logging stuff in the service
> > ticket
> > but each time I call we go over the same things (above) and they ask
> > the
> > same questions over and over.
> >
> > Yeah, - service isn't what it used to be. I was in technical support
> > for
> > 30 years and this new business model stinks.
> >
> > UE,
> > W6ESE - tony
> > NNNNZCZC
> >
>
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