[GreenKeys] GreenKeys Digest, Vol 60, Issue 27
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Mr. Henning thank you for your valuable contribution to this film. You efforts will be recognized by many of us who love these grand old machines and strive to preserve their history in telecommunications. Rick Davis K8PJQ RM1SS US Submarine Service 1960-1970. Michigan Bell Telephone System TTY Repairman. "Keep em oiled"
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> 1. Re: Model 20 Teletype available (Sheldon Daitch)
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> 3. Re: Valkyrie (Henning DF3OE)
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> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 10:52:55 +0300
> From: Sheldon Daitch <sdaitch at kuw.ibb.gov>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Model 20 Teletype available
> To: "David I. Emery" <die at dieconsulting.com>
> Cc: Don Robert House <Packard42 at gmail.com>, Greenkeys
> <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>, Bill Buzbee <teletype at buzbee.net>
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> Correct, almost all of the AP radio and TV stations subscribed to the
> radio wire, which used M-15s or an occasional Extel printer. The M-15 was
> supplied as part of the service, but if the station paid extra, they
> could get an
> Extel printer.
>
> The UPI in NC was phasing out their M-15s in the mid-1970s and the station I
> worked at in 1976-1978 or so had a UPI Extel.
>
> IIRC, WRAL-TV was one AP subscriber which had, in addition to their
> radio wire, a M-20 for the newspaper wire.
>
> In early 1979, the AP in North Carolina was still running the M-20s on
> the slow
> speed newspaper circuit, although there were a handful of newspapers in
> the state which
> did get the slow speed wire fed directly into their computer systems, I
> think, or some of
> them had tape punches and they used an optical reader to input the wire
> service material
> into their computer systems. The optical sensors weren't necessarily an
> improvement,
> since the tape had to have much cleaner punched holes than the
> mechanical tape
> readers.
>
> There were also a few papers which did have the 1200 baud high speed
> circuits.
>
> All the AP slow speed circuits used the Lenkurt 25A VFTG system, while
> the higher speed
> circuits used something the AP called a Dataspeed box. It could be
> programmed to allow
> the subscriber to receive only the circuit the subscriber was paying for.
>
> I don't know when the slow speed wire service via the telco was dropped
> for satellite
> distribution, but I think it was a phased project, state-by-state. In
> the early 1980s, I
> remember the AP folks I worked with in Raleigh were installing the
> satellite dish for
> wireservice at the Greenville Daily Reflector, and that was probably
> about the time
> the AP dropped the telco distribution.
>
> When I left the AP in early 1979, the Durham Herald-Sun was still
> running hot lead Linotype
> machines which could read the punched tape from the slow speed wire.
>
> As Dave mentioned, the TTS coding for the Linotype machines had the
> coding for the
> small and large spaces as well as for the variable spacing, the wedge
> spaces for hot lead
> typesetting justification.
>
> 73
> Sheldon
>
> David I. Emery wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 11:10:09PM -0800, Bill Buzbee wrote:
> >
> >> I'm under the impression that most AP & UPI radio station services used
> >> Model 15s - no need for upper/lower case, paper tape or typesetting if you
> >> are reading the copy over the air.
> >>
> >
> > Back in the TTY era ALL the AP and UPI radio/TV wires I ever was
> > familiar with were baudot upper case only - mostly on model 15s until
> > the Extel printer era...
> >
> > Most of the AP's primary newspaper "A" wire and quite a few of
> > the state and regional circuits were at one point in the late 60s to
> > early 70s in 6 level TTS as were sports score and stock feeds. UPI kept
> > more of these in baudot 5 level format. Newspapers of course had model
> > 20s to print copy as well as tape punches to feed the Linotypes.
> >
> > By the mid 70s both wire services began also distributing
> > newspaper wire copy in ASCII over "high speed" 1200 baud FSk circuits...
> > in upper and lower case ... for use with the early computerized copy
> > editing and composition systems then coming into use. This was never
> > as far as I know in linotype ready format ... unlike TTS feeds which
> > were.
> >
> > I don't know when the last TTS wires were finally shut down,
> > I would guess the 80s some time... but by that time the folks I knew
> > who worked on SW for this had moved on so my info is less complete.
> >
> >
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> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 08:38:25 -0600
> From: kf9nz at juno.com
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Valkyrie
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> Just got a look at the new flick. Being a student of WWII
> history, I know quite a bit about the 20 April plot. Most of the facts
> are pretty good, but it was surprising to see that the Nazi's were using
> U.S. made tty's. in 1944 (tongue firmly in cheek) Too bad they didn't
> have a good technical consultant as some other movie makers we know. Of
> course the U.S. made machines were printing in English too. I remember
> "Patton" and "Longest Day" had the Nazis speaking German with subtitles.
> Seemed very effective, but I guess that would be too much for this epic.
>
> Frankf9nz
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> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:12:30 +0100
> From: "Henning DF3OE" <henning at teleprinter.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Valkyrie
> To: kf9nz at juno.com
> Cc: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
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> Hi Frank and others,
>
> nice that you already have watched Valkyrie, here in Germany we have to
> wait until January 22nd.
>
> The film was almost totally filmed in Germany at the Babelsberg film studios
> in Berlin in October 2007.
> And you won'nt believe, the machines are absolutely historical correct.
> I was the technical consultant... ;-)
>
> The teleprinter room was equipped with almost 30 machines, provided by me
> from my collection and from the collections of friends.
> It was the most historical correct movie I have worked for so
> far...except that the
> German Army used mainly "strip tape printers" , like Wold Western
> Union telegrams.
> Page printers very mostly used by the Air force for weathers services.
> But for the movie, the messages were better readable on a page printers
> so we decided to print out the main messages on page printers,
> namely Lorenz Lo15 which is a Teletype model 15 licence,
> built in Germany since the late 1920s.
> The film crew was very keen to make everything as authentic as possible.
>
> We equipped the teleprinter room with following type of machines:
>
> Lorenz Lo15 (page printer), already mentioned
> Lorenz T32/36Lo (tape printer, model 14 licence), printing on a gummed tape
> Siemens T34 (tape printer), printing on a gummed tape
> Siemens T37 (page printer)
> Siemens Tloch 1 tape punch
> Siemens Tsend 1 tape transmitter (tape distributor, as you call it).
> Lorenz HL38 tape punch
> Lorenz LS36 tape transmitter (model 14 licence, tape distibutor as you call it)
> Feldhellschreiber
> etc.
>
> All machines were running ! Sometimes all together :-)
> We fed them via 10 circuits from notebooks and
> also from more modern teleprinters by tape from backstage.
> We have layed almost half a mile of "bell wire" to the machines...
>
> All together me and friends stayed a whole week at the studios to
> build up the room and supported the filming.
> All sent and printed messages were original from archives. But I would
> think that
> they used English language messages for the English language version
> of the movie.
>
> After the release of the movie here in Germany I will give some (background)
> information of this project on my website www.teleprinter.net
>
> 73,
> Henning DF3OE
> Wendeburg/Germany
>
> www.teleprinter.net
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> 2009/1/11 <kf9nz at juno.com>:
> > Just got a look at the new flick. Being a student of WWII
> > history, I know quite a bit about the 20 April plot. Most of the facts
> > are pretty good, but it was surprising to see that the Nazi's were using
> > U.S. made tty's. in 1944 (tongue firmly in cheek) Too bad they didn't
> > have a good technical consultant as some other movie makers we know. Of
> > course the U.S. made machines were printing in English too. I remember
> > "Patton" and "Longest Day" had the Nazis speaking German with subtitles.
> > Seemed very effective, but I guess that would be too much for this epic.
> >
> > Frankf9nz
> >
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