[GreenKeys] Navy loop supply
Rdelgatto
petescny at optonline.net
Mon Apr 27 09:37:48 EDT 2009
Hello Guys,
Just to let you all know while surfing the web I came across source of
USN 60 mil Teleprinter Power supplies. If you look up APEX ELECTRONICS
and scroll through the site you will find them. He is asking $50.00 ea.
and they are nice. I have 2 that I have been using for years.
Jack you know where they came from!!
Enjoy
Bob
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1. Fwd: [TCI] Teletype Rectifiers (Slightly OT) (Joe Stevens)
2. Come and get it (Larry Tighe)
3. Re: Fwd: [TCI] Teletype Rectifiers (Slightly OT) (Roy Morgan)
4. Re: Fwd: [TCI] Teletype Rectifiers (Slightly OT) (Brooke Clarke)
5. Re: Come and get it (H. Kurth Bemis)
6. Re: Come and get it (H. Kurth Bemis)
7. Re: TTYs in news service (Alf Fisher)
8. Re: TTYs in news service (Anthony Vallot)
9. Re: TTYs in news service (Duncan M. Brown)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 13:48:55 -0800
From: Joe Stevens <jbs at kadiak.org>
Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: [TCI] Teletype Rectifiers (Slightly OT)
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Cross posting from TCI
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>Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 09:35:03 -0700
>Subject: [TCI] Teletype Rectifiers (Slightly OT)
>
>Does anybody have any nomenclature pertaining to Loop Supply Rectifiers as
>pertain to Teletype Corporation applications? Since Bell System operated
>Teletype, I hope someone out there can find the appropriate Practice.
>
>
>Steve Hilsz
>jydsk at tds.net
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 15:58:30 -0400
From: "Larry Tighe" <larryradio at worldnet.att.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] Come and get it
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Three (3) 28 KSR's One nice, second definitely workable, the third a little
elbow grease and mechanical dexterity or for parts.
A military ASR for cabinet and many parts....coax to all the contacts and
magnet to supress emissions.
Located in Hackettstown, NJ 07840. I NEED ROOM.
lar
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 21:13:29 -0400
From: Roy Morgan <k1lky at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: [TCI] Teletype Rectifiers (Slightly OT)
To: Joe Stevens <jbs at kadiak.org>, Steve Hilsz <jydsk at tds.net>
Cc: Greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
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On Apr 25, 2009, at 5:48 PM, Joe Stevens wrote:
> Cross posting from TCI
>
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>> From: "Steve Hilsz" <jydsk at tds.net>
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>> Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 09:35:03 -0700
>> Subject: [TCI] Teletype Rectifiers (Slightly OT)
>>
>> Does anybody have any nomenclature pertaining to Loop Supply
>> Rectifiers as
>> pertain to Teletype Corporation applications? Since Bell System
>> operated
>> Teletype, I hope someone out there can find the appropriate Practice.
Steve,
I have here a fairly common loop supply found in Model 15 cabinets.
Western Electric
KS-5336-L7
Output 120/75 volts 0.2 amp
Measures 5"high, 7"deep, 9-1/2 inches wide.
Has two short cords each with a two prong connector, both have prongs
at right angle to each other.
Male: AC power in. Female: DC out.
Roy
Roy Morgan
k1lky at earthlink.net
529 Cobb St.
Groton NY, 13073
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 18:18:54 -0700
From: Brooke Clarke <brooke at pacific.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: [TCI] Teletype Rectifiers (Slightly OT)
To: GreenKeys List <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
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Hi Roy:
Does it look like:
http://www.prc68.com/I/WU5A.shtml#LS
Do you have any documentation for it?
Have Fun,
Brooke Clarke
http://www.prc68.com
Roy Morgan wrote:
> On Apr 25, 2009, at 5:48 PM, Joe Stevens wrote:
>
>> Cross posting from TCI
>>
>>> To: "TCI List" <singingwires at yahoogroups.com>
>>> From: "Steve Hilsz" <jydsk at tds.net>
>>> Sender: singingwires at yahoogroups.com
>>> Mailing-List: list singingwires at yahoogroups.com; contact
>>> singingwires-owner at yahoogroups.com
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>>> Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 09:35:03 -0700
>>> Subject: [TCI] Teletype Rectifiers (Slightly OT)
>>>
>>> Does anybody have any nomenclature pertaining to Loop Supply
>>> Rectifiers as
>>> pertain to Teletype Corporation applications? Since Bell System
>>> operated
>>> Teletype, I hope someone out there can find the appropriate Practice.
>
> Steve,
>
> I have here a fairly common loop supply found in Model 15 cabinets.
>
> Western Electric
> KS-5336-L7
> Output 120/75 volts 0.2 amp
> Measures 5"high, 7"deep, 9-1/2 inches wide.
> Has two short cords each with a two prong connector, both have prongs
> at right angle to each other.
> Male: AC power in. Female: DC out.
>
> Roy
>
>
> Roy Morgan
> k1lky at earthlink.net
> 529 Cobb St.
> Groton NY, 13073
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 22:46:57 -0400
From: "H. Kurth Bemis" <kurth at kurthbemis.com>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Come and get it
To: Larry Tighe <larryradio at worldnet.att.net>
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Hi there Larry.
Are these still available?
I would like the nice M28 and the third M28 (the one that needs work).
Let me know what happens.
Thank You
~kurth
On Sat, 2009-04-25 at 15:58 -0400, Larry Tighe wrote:
> Three (3) 28 KSR's One nice, second definitely workable, the third a
little
> elbow grease and mechanical dexterity or for parts.
>
> A military ASR for cabinet and many parts....coax to all the contacts and
> magnet to supress emissions.
>
> Located in Hackettstown, NJ 07840. I NEED ROOM.
>
> lar
>
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 22:48:09 -0400
From: "H. Kurth Bemis" <kurth at kurthbemis.com>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Come and get it
To: Larry Tighe <larryradio at worldnet.att.net>
Cc: greenKeys at mailman.qth.net
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Reply to all is a bad, bad habit.
Sorry.
~k
On Sat, 2009-04-25 at 22:46 -0400, H. Kurth Bemis wrote:
> Hi there Larry.
>
> Are these still available?
>
> I would like the nice M28 and the third M28 (the one that needs work).
>
> Let me know what happens.
>
> Thank You
> ~kurth
>
> On Sat, 2009-04-25 at 15:58 -0400, Larry Tighe wrote:
> > Three (3) 28 KSR's One nice, second definitely workable, the third a
little
> > elbow grease and mechanical dexterity or for parts.
> >
> > A military ASR for cabinet and many parts....coax to all the contacts
and
> > magnet to supress emissions.
> >
> > Located in Hackettstown, NJ 07840. I NEED ROOM.
> >
> > lar
> >
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:55:44 +0100
From: "Alf Fisher" <alf_fisher at tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] TTYs in news service
To: <duncanancy at earthlink.net>, "John Nagle" <nagle at animats.com>,
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John, Duncan and all,
I would like to get something like this to work in the Signals Museum to
bring some life to an otherwise silent machine.
Unfortunately, I don't have internet access in the museum so can't use ITTY
etc but I was wondering if the likes of Reuters and other news services were
available on HF FSK?
Does anyone know what frequencies, code, shift and speeds do they use - i.e.
is it 110 baud ASCII perchance?
Regards,
Alf Fisher
Curator,
Signals Museum,
RAF Henlow
Beds.
UK
http://www.rafsignalsmuseum.org.uk
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From: "Duncan M. Brown" <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
To: "John Nagle" <nagle at animats.com>; <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 3:16 AM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] TTYs in news service
> John,
>
> I'm also interested in driving TTYs from news sources via the Internet for
> a museum display.
>
> Is your HTML to text and RSS polling software available?
>
> It would be great to have a TTY just start up, print out some news and
> then shut down!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
>
> Chief TTY operator & repairman
> AWA Electronic Communication Museum
> http://www.antiquewireless.org/
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Even today, Reuters stories have a headline length limit that
>> will fit on a Teletype.
>>
>> If you want current stories, you can get them from the Reuters
>> RSS feed:
>>
>> http://feeds.reuters.com/reuters/topNews?format=xml
>>
>> The Reuters feed is a good source; each story is about five lines,
>> not just a headline. Most other news feeds are just headlines or the
>> first few words of each story, intended for use with programs that let
>> you click on a link. NPR's feed, though,
> "http://www.npr.org/rss/rss.php?id=1012",
>> is also story-like enough to be useful. Let me know if you find any
>> other good feeds.
>>
>> I have a Python program I keep running which polls the Reuters RSS
> feed
>> and drives a Model 15 Teletype. Each time Reuters puts up a new story,
>> the Teletype starts up, types it out, and shuts down again. This works
>> for any RSS feed; the format is standardized. RSS is designed for this
>> type of polling; there's a low-overhead way to ask if the feed has
> changed.
>>
>> I do some basic text processing to make the output look reasonable.
>> Unicode is converted to ASCII, HTML markup is removed, all white space
>> is converted to single spaces, word wrap is applied to break the lines
>> at word boundaries, and a preliminary translation to a smaller character
>> set is performed. This last converts "[" to "(", "%" to " PCT. ", and
>> such. Finally the ASCII text is fed to ASCII->Baudot translation,
>> which does the machine handling (CR, LF, LTRS, etc.)
>>
>> The result gives the impression of a classic news Teletype.
>>
>> This will probably go on display in a museum in the future,
>> once I build a glass case for the machine to show off the works.
>> I have contacts at the Exploratorium and the Computer Museum.
>>
>>
>> John Nagle
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 04:44:27 -0500
From: "Anthony Vallot" <avallot at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] TTYs in news service
To: "'Alf Fisher'" <alf_fisher at tiscali.co.uk>,
<duncanancy at earthlink.net>, "'John Nagle'" <nagle at animats.com>,
<greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
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Alf:
Regarding internet access; here in the states, if your cell phone has
coverage, then your laptop or PC can have the internet also. A USB device
plugs into the computer and gets the internet from the cell phone towers.
Tony Vallot
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Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:56 AM
To: duncanancy at earthlink.net; John Nagle; greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] TTYs in news service
John, Duncan and all,
I would like to get something like this to work in the Signals Museum to
bring some life to an otherwise silent machine.
Unfortunately, I don't have internet access in the museum so can't use ITTY
etc but I was wondering if the likes of Reuters and other news services were
available on HF FSK?
Does anyone know what frequencies, code, shift and speeds do they use - i.e.
is it 110 baud ASCII perchance?
Regards,
Alf Fisher
Curator,
Signals Museum,
RAF Henlow
Beds.
UK
http://www.rafsignalsmuseum.org.uk
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duncan M. Brown" <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
To: "John Nagle" <nagle at animats.com>; <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 3:16 AM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] TTYs in news service
> John,
>
> I'm also interested in driving TTYs from news sources via the Internet for
> a museum display.
>
> Is your HTML to text and RSS polling software available?
>
> It would be great to have a TTY just start up, print out some news and
> then shut down!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
>
> Chief TTY operator & repairman
> AWA Electronic Communication Museum
> http://www.antiquewireless.org/
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Even today, Reuters stories have a headline length limit that
>> will fit on a Teletype.
>>
>> If you want current stories, you can get them from the Reuters
>> RSS feed:
>>
>> http://feeds.reuters.com/reuters/topNews?format=xml
>>
>> The Reuters feed is a good source; each story is about five lines,
>> not just a headline. Most other news feeds are just headlines or the
>> first few words of each story, intended for use with programs that let
>> you click on a link. NPR's feed, though,
> "http://www.npr.org/rss/rss.php?id=1012",
>> is also story-like enough to be useful. Let me know if you find any
>> other good feeds.
>>
>> I have a Python program I keep running which polls the Reuters RSS
> feed
>> and drives a Model 15 Teletype. Each time Reuters puts up a new story,
>> the Teletype starts up, types it out, and shuts down again. This works
>> for any RSS feed; the format is standardized. RSS is designed for this
>> type of polling; there's a low-overhead way to ask if the feed has
> changed.
>>
>> I do some basic text processing to make the output look reasonable.
>> Unicode is converted to ASCII, HTML markup is removed, all white space
>> is converted to single spaces, word wrap is applied to break the lines
>> at word boundaries, and a preliminary translation to a smaller character
>> set is performed. This last converts "[" to "(", "%" to " PCT. ", and
>> such. Finally the ASCII text is fed to ASCII->Baudot translation,
>> which does the machine handling (CR, LF, LTRS, etc.)
>>
>> The result gives the impression of a classic news Teletype.
>>
>> This will probably go on display in a museum in the future,
>> once I build a glass case for the machine to show off the works.
>> I have contacts at the Exploratorium and the Computer Museum.
>>
>>
>> John Nagle
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 10:29:18 -0400
From: "Duncan M. Brown" <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] TTYs in news service
To: "Alf Fisher" <alf_fisher at tiscali.co.uk>, "John Nagle"
<nagle at animats.com>, greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
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Alf,
I don't think there has been any HF FSK distribution of news for the past
2-3 decades. It moved to dedicated phone lines and satellite and now it is
probably all on the Internet. All the Internet transmissions are in ASCII,
but programs like HeavyMetal can do the translation to 5-bit TTY.
As Tony mentioned, there may be access through a cellular service, but it
can be expensive, unless you can find one that is just low speed. (Most US
cellular companies are pushing high speed Internet, so you can watch videos
on your phone!)
A dial-up connection to the Internet may be the simplest/cheapest solution.
We have a similar problem at the AWA Museum. We are planning on doing a
demo at a school next weekend. They have Internet, but we just found out
that they don't allow anyone else to connect in (for security reasons, I
guess), so we will be doing the cellular connection or dialup.
have fun,
Duncan
> [Original Message]
> From: Alf Fisher <alf_fisher at tiscali.co.uk>
> To: <duncanancy at earthlink.net>; John Nagle <nagle at animats.com>;
<greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: 26-Apr-09 06:55:40
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] TTYs in news service
>
> John, Duncan and all,
> I would like to get something like this to work in the Signals Museum to
> bring some life to an otherwise silent machine.
>
> Unfortunately, I don't have internet access in the museum so can't use
ITTY
> etc but I was wondering if the likes of Reuters and other news services
were
> available on HF FSK?
> Does anyone know what frequencies, code, shift and speeds do they use -
i.e.
> is it 110 baud ASCII perchance?
>
> Regards,
>
> Alf Fisher
> Curator,
> Signals Museum,
> RAF Henlow
> Beds.
> UK
> http://www.rafsignalsmuseum.org.uk
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Duncan M. Brown" <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
> To: "John Nagle" <nagle at animats.com>; <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 3:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] TTYs in news service
>
>
> > John,
> >
> > I'm also interested in driving TTYs from news sources via the Internet
for
> > a museum display.
> >
> > Is your HTML to text and RSS polling software available?
> >
> > It would be great to have a TTY just start up, print out some news and
> > then shut down!
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Duncan Brown, K2OEQ
> >
> > Chief TTY operator & repairman
> > AWA Electronic Communication Museum
> > http://www.antiquewireless.org/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Even today, Reuters stories have a headline length limit that
> >> will fit on a Teletype.
> >>
> >> If you want current stories, you can get them from the Reuters
> >> RSS feed:
> >>
> >> http://feeds.reuters.com/reuters/topNews?format=xml
> >>
> >> The Reuters feed is a good source; each story is about five lines,
> >> not just a headline. Most other news feeds are just headlines or the
> >> first few words of each story, intended for use with programs that let
> >> you click on a link. NPR's feed, though,
> > "http://www.npr.org/rss/rss.php?id=1012",
> >> is also story-like enough to be useful. Let me know if you find any
> >> other good feeds.
> >>
> >> I have a Python program I keep running which polls the Reuters RSS
> > feed
> >> and drives a Model 15 Teletype. Each time Reuters puts up a new story,
> >> the Teletype starts up, types it out, and shuts down again. This works
> >> for any RSS feed; the format is standardized. RSS is designed for this
> >> type of polling; there's a low-overhead way to ask if the feed has
> > changed.
> >>
> >> I do some basic text processing to make the output look reasonable.
> >> Unicode is converted to ASCII, HTML markup is removed, all white space
> >> is converted to single spaces, word wrap is applied to break the lines
> >> at word boundaries, and a preliminary translation to a smaller
character
> >> set is performed. This last converts "[" to "(", "%" to " PCT. ", and
> >> such. Finally the ASCII text is fed to ASCII->Baudot translation,
> >> which does the machine handling (CR, LF, LTRS, etc.)
> >>
> >> The result gives the impression of a classic news Teletype.
> >>
> >> This will probably go on display in a museum in the future,
> >> once I build a glass case for the machine to show off the works.
> >> I have contacts at the Exploratorium and the Computer Museum.
> >>
> >>
> >> John Nagle
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > GreenKeys mailing list
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