[GCARC] FW: K2AA is operating the Pandemic Class 7E - Extended area operations

Thu May 21 10:27:29 EDT 2020

Remote stations in an emergency were a joke. In Hurricane Katrina, there as no infrastructure left, no cell or any internet. So remotes were not working. They have their heads up their ass.

Vinnie.

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From: Jim Wright <jim.n2gxj at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:47:13 AM
To: Tony Starr <tstarr1450 at gmail.com>
Cc: Vinnie Sallustio <yankees_1996 at hotmail.com>; GCARC <gcarc at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [GCARC] FW: K2AA is operating the Pandemic Class 7E - Extended area operations

To add fuel to the argument, the advice given about remote operation is broken as well. The ARRL has said previously that any laptop/computer is part of the radio equipment, and must be in that 1000ft diameter. This had come up in past with advent of SDR and people wanting to set up field day antenna in one place, and use it from another. Not within the rules to set up antenna in one place and use it over internet from outside the field day circle.

On Wed, May 20, 2020, 11:00 PM Tony Starr <tstarr1450 at gmail.com<mailto:tstarr1450 at gmail.com>> wrote:
Vinnie,

Yes, they surely do!  I had let my ARRL membership expire years ago, and
every time I would think about re-applying for membership, they would do
something to seriously piss me off.  This went on for about five years,
until a couple of weeks ago, when I realized that it had been a while since
they pissed me off.  So I signed up again, for a two year membership.
Before I even got my first issue of QST, they have managed to piss me off
twice in two weeks!  Serves me right for being gullible,  I got what I
deserved. But at least now I can bitch at them again!

Tony WA2FZB

On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 10:47 PM Vinnie Sallustio <yankees_1996 at hotmail.com<mailto:yankees_1996 at hotmail.com>>
wrote:

> The ARRL sometimes has it's head up its ass. This is one of those cases.
>
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> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 10:39:58 PM
> To: Vinnie Sallustio <yankees_1996 at hotmail.com<mailto:yankees_1996 at hotmail.com>>; gcarc at mailman.qth.net<mailto:gcarc at mailman.qth.net> <
> gcarc at mailman.qth.net<mailto:gcarc at mailman.qth.net>>; djgrath1 <djgrath1 at gmail.com<mailto:djgrath1 at gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [GCARC] FW: K2AA is operating the Pandemic Class 7E -
> Extended area operations
>
> Hi All,
> Unknown to me, a number of requests to change the rules this year have
> already been made and rejected by the powers that be at ARRL.
> This was confirmed in the email I received back from Hudson ARRL Director
> N2RJ Ria Jairam tonigh.
> 73 Darrell AB2E
>
> "rjairam at gmail.com<mailto:rjairam at gmail.com>
> Wed 5/20/2020 10:08 PM
> Reply
> I am sorry but despite my and several other Directors repeated pleas
> to have the rules amended to allow these kinds of operations, the ARRL
> Programs and Services Committee remained firm on its decision to not
> change the rules, period. There is simply not majority support to
> amend the rules for this year.
>
> At this point I am telling clubs to find creative and innovative ways
> to operate. This includes internet or wifi remote bases set up at
> field day sites. Note that the transmitters and antennas have to be
> within 1000 feet but NOT the operators.
>
> There will be a non-ARRL tally of affiliated club scores. I was told
> that ARRL may make a CSV of the scores available with club names.
> However, club rankings won't be published in QST.
>
> 73
> Ria
> N2RJ    "
> > On May 20, 2020 at 8:39 PM Agustin Neron Properties LLC <
> ab2e at comcast.net<mailto:ab2e at comcast.net>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Vinnie,
> > All your points in Plan A sound viable and workable.
> > Checking with the Chief of Police and perhaps requesting permission in
> writing well in advance would be good.
> > Maybe setup helpers could start signing up with the FD chairman?
> > Like Vinnie's point #4, we can only have serious helpers this year, and
> casual visitors have to be discouraged.
> >
> > Another question relating to Vinnie's points 3 & 5. It sounds like
> stations spread out will not count towards the 10 person gathering, only
> the clubhouse occupants? I think we could argue that the operating stations
> are far enough apart that they fully comply with social distancing.
> >
> > OK 73, Darrell AB2E
> >
> > > On May 20, 2020 at 7:59 PM Vinnie Sallustio <yankees_1996 at hotmail.com<mailto:yankees_1996 at hotmail.com>>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Plan A:
> > >
> > > I think we can still have it at the club site. But we have to change
> the parameters. My suggestions are:
> > >
> > > 1. Not public. We close it to the public. No public information table
> and no visitors that are not associated with the club.
> > >
> > > 2. Bring your own food. We can no way distubute food. Each station is
> responsible for their own food.
> > >
> > > 3. No more than 4 people in the clubhouse, that is Jeff Garth + 3
> people. This includes anyone that is on the tank.
> > >
> > > 4. If you are not contributing to Field Day, stay home. Contributing
> means assisting in antenna raising, operating, tent raising, etc. This
> won't be a problem if we are not serving food because many people just come
> to eat, and do nothing else. Not even helping Jeff to clean up.
> > >
> > > 5. Each station stays separate to keep within the 10 people limit.
> Usually, there is a lot of visiting between station members just to shoot
> the shit. This won't be able to happen.
> > >
> > > 6. Make sure the the police are OK with this so they don't shut us
> down after everything is set up.
> > >
> > >
> > > Plan B:
> > >
> > > I like Darryl's plan where we operate from home with each station at a
> band/mode. If the ARRL will accept us working under the W2MMD umbrella as
> an Echo station.
> > >
> > > I also am suggesting special W2MMD phonetics:  Wuhan 2 Malaria Malaria
> Donald
> > >
> > > VINNIE N4NYY
> > >
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> on behalf of djgrath1 <djgrath1 at gmail.com<mailto:djgrath1 at gmail.com>>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 6:05:18 PM
> > > To: gcarc at mailman.qth.net<mailto:gcarc at mailman.qth.net> <gcarc at mailman.qth.net<mailto:gcarc at mailman.qth.net>>
> > > Subject: [GCARC] FW: K2AA is operating the Pandemic Class 7E -
> Extended area operations
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > D. Jeffrey Garth
> > >
> > > 621 Greenbriar Drive
> > >
> > > Williamstown, NJ 08094-1149
> > >
> > > 73, WB2ZBN
> > >
> > > Club Publications
> > >
> > > www.w2mmd.org<http://www.w2mmd.org><http://www.w2mmd.org>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your
> life"
> > > - Confucius
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: ken at k2wb.com<mailto:ken at k2wb.com> [mailto:ken at k2wb.com<mailto:ken at k2wb.com>]
> > > Sent: May 20, 2020 17:26
> > > To: info at mikeandkey.org<mailto:info at mikeandkey.org>; w2mmdgcarc at gmail.com<mailto:w2mmdgcarc at gmail.com>; ab1oc at arrl.net<mailto:ab1oc at arrl.net>;
> > > k5eok at k5eok.org<mailto:k5eok at k5eok.org>; fieldday at frrl.org<mailto:fieldday at frrl.org>; w9dup at w9dup.org<mailto:w9dup at w9dup.org>; kc0alc at arrl.net<mailto:kc0alc at arrl.net>;
> > > k8uo at arrl.net<mailto:k8uo at arrl.net>; webmaster at w6trw.com<mailto:webmaster at w6trw.com>; w8ctm at yahoo.com<mailto:w8ctm at yahoo.com>; w4hfh at arrl.net<mailto:w4hfh at arrl.net>;
> > > qrz at snars.org<mailto:qrz at snars.org>; president at w7gra.org<mailto:president at w7gra.org>; webmaster at larc.ca<mailto:webmaster at larc.ca>;
> mvbanks at gmail.com<mailto:mvbanks at gmail.com>;
> > > WA2BSP at gmail.com<mailto:WA2BSP at gmail.com>; k2dfe at yahoo.com<mailto:k2dfe at yahoo.com>; WA2VYA Frank
> > > Cc: 'SJRA Harmonics Email Distribution'; 'Abernethy, Tom, W3TOM (Dir,
> AT)';
> > > 'Tom Preiser (N2XW)'
> > > Subject: K2AA is operating the Pandemic Class 7E - Extended area
> operations
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Fellow Field Day Operations,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > My name is Ken K2WB of the South Jersey Radio Association (aka K2AA &
> SJRA)
> > > Field Day Chairperson,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The ARRL Field Day is an emergency preparedness drill. With this
> current
> > > "Emergency" that we find ourselves, does not fit the types of
> emergencies we
> > > have been preparing for. With social distancing rules and paranoia the
> SJRA
> > > finds itself in an interesting situation.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Our FD operation brings out over 60 people to help, setup, operate and
> take
> > > down. Our operation shelters would easily violate the 6 foot rule.
> Lastly
> > > our state (New Jersey) would have to drop the rule of not allowing
> public
> > > gatherings of more than 10 people. This all has to happen prior to
> Field
> > > Day.  Even if we are allowed to congregate in public we think that a
> lot of
> > > our support would not show up trying to be safe.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The SJRA determined that we would not learn anything on how to
> communicate &
> > > coordinate as a group in this type of emergency just by operating as
> bunch
> > > of 1D or 1A stations listing our club affiliation.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Here is our plan B:
> > >
> > > *       Operate as (in our case) 7E. We are not going to follow the
> 1000 ft
> > > circle rule but will follow the 175mi Radius club rule instead.
> > > *       Coordinate operating as K2AA on 7 bands and modes from as many
> > > member home stations as possible. All stations would have written
> permission
> > > to operate as K2AA from the trustee and will follow all FCC rules and
> > > regulations.
> > > *       All transmitters and receivers will be powered by emergency
> power
> > > (which keeps us in the "E" category). Still using your home antennas,
> > > shelter and allows us to contact all station categories. In accordance
> to
> > > the Field Day "E" category rule.
> > > *       Use our Repeater and Zoom to coordinate operations throughout
> the 24
> > > hours.
> > > *       Get as many bonus points as practical, keeping the spirit of
> the
> > > Field Day.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Our 7E submission to the ARRL will clearly state that we purposely
> broke the
> > > 1000ft rule and to use our log as a check log.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Things to know: N1MM supports large area linked logs (just like a LAN)
> which
> > > will make it easier to see what is going on. We have done some
> preliminary
> > > testing and found it stable for 4 days with only a couple of computers
> in 2
> > > locations 40 miles apart. It is our plan to increase and test more
> stations
> > > prior to Field Day.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I would be interested if others could share your ideas or plans. So
> far this
> > > is the best we could come up with. If there is enough interest I would
> be
> > > happy to host a WebEx meeting for further discussion or share what we
> > > learned.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > We hope to work all of you during Field Day. (7E SNJ)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Good luck and be safe!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Please feel free to forward this email to other clubs that you think
> would
> > > be interested in this idea or may have ideas of their own.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 73's
> > >
> > > de Ken K2WB
> > >
> > >
> > >  <mailto:ken at k2wb.com<mailto:ken at k2wb.com>> ken at k2wb.com<mailto:ken at k2wb.com>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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