[FLARES] ARRL BOD Report on ARES

Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:21:01 -0400

HEHEHE

I love it, I to can be wrong at times.....
but yes, this is a very good thread to work on!!
I'll sit back and keep on reading!!!

Evans
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Keith Kotch" <[email protected]>
To: "Florida ARES" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 12:05
Subject: RE: [FLARES] ARRL BOD Report on ARES

> Evans,
>=20
> You're confusing the NTS with using the FORMAT that NTS uses, that is, =
a
> formal, written message.  You can (and certainly should) use a more
> formal, written format to pass such a request as you just stated.  The
> NTS FORMAT is good to the extent that it is then documented and the
> correct number of words is checked (check count) but that still =
doesn't
> mean it's been passed accurately UNLESS every single word is spelled =
out
> phonetically AND each party to the message knows the phonetic alphabet
> and the message is repeated back by the receiving party to the sending
> party.  I'm going to embarrass someone here but take a look at our
> section manager's webpage where he's listed the NTS traffic sent to =
him
> during Field Day.  Again, this is the NTS traffic sent through the
> current NTS system.  http://home.att.net/~wa4pup/fd03traffic/
>=20
> Scroll down to the 7th message (from KF4HFC) regarding the LAKE MONROE
> AMATEUR RADIO SOCIETY in SEMINOLE COUNTY operating from a park in =
WINTER
> SPRINGS.  My all caps is to emphasize the errors in this message
> somewhere along the way.  I don't see that many typos in any of the
> other FD messages so I don't think it's all typos on Rudy's part =
(could
> be but logically it doesn't seem that way).  I also don't think that =
it
> was the way it was originated by KF4HFC either.  The club name came
> through as "west mondroe" not "Lake Monroe".  The NTS traffic net this
> was originated from is one of the more active and experienced nets in
> the SE.  Now, where's the breakdown!
>=20
> Digital Packet modes (Not APRS) would be a better system to =
send/receive
> such messages (as long as both sides have and can use packet).  THAT'S =
a
> system we (ARES) should be promoting and working to establish.
>=20
> Again, don't confuse the format of a message (formal written traffic)
> with the delivery system.  The NTS DELIVERY system depends upon
> activated, established nets.  You're example of an ARES message
> shouldn't wait for an NTS net to be established or held until the
> nightly net comes along (or whatever regularly scheduled Net comes =
up).
> Long-haul message traffic, or multiple message traffic going in all
> sorts of directions (like Health and Welfare traffic) can certainly be
> handled okay through the NTS system where you need multiple delivery
> points all over the country.=20
>=20
> With a typical ARES message such as a request for supplies, personnel,
> aid, etc., WRITING the message down is certainly preferred to just
> verbalizing it and playing the game of "Pass it on".  However, just
> writing it down and giving a word check count (the NTS system way) is
> not working either (see my example above).  A digitally sent message
> would/should eliminate those problems and get routed there within
> minutes, if not seconds.  Using email would work too and a system to
> send/receive messages using an email format via Amateur Radio is =
already
> in place and being refined to better fit ARES work as we "speak".=20
>=20
> What is needed is a more comprehensive packet digi network in a =
layered
> fashion (local area packet frequency networks with "Rose" type =
switches
> to connect local networks to other local networks through higher speed
> larger area backbone frequencies).  We already have such a network in
> place from Jacksonville through to the Palm Beach area.  This type of
> system will handle many more users at the same time than SEDAN will.
> Just a handful of users on the SEDAN network can bring it down.  My =
guys
> over here proved that a year or so ago doing a test.
>=20
> Great discussion here guys/gals.  Let's keep it going!
>=20
> 73,
> Keith, KF4BXT
> Seminole Co. ARES/RACES EC
>=20
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Evans Mitchell kd4efm / afa2th fl
> Subject: Re: [FLARES] ARRL BOD Report on ARES
>=20
>=20
> you drive a GOOD talk Ron, but I have to recall on an old but relibale
> way of passing information...
> call Dave (ae4mr), pass to him information about an incident that has
> happened and you need a list=20
> of supplies about 7 items long and you need them immeadiately..... =
Polk
> County has them on great supply.....
> This must be something that requires memory to make this happen
> now......over the air point to point, like you are
> pointing out here..
>=20
> Now, tell dave to pass this information on to ummm jack, wx1jad, and =
in
> the same context
> have jack pass this up to virgil, kg4fcd, and then have virgil pass it
> on to me. BUT WAIT
> heres the requirement, NO PEN, NO PAPER, NOT WRITING, JUST PASS IT =
DOWN
> THE LINE IN REAL TIME.
>=20
> do you think what you told dave would be the same thing word for word
> when it gets to me?????
>=20
> I will let you think that one out for a second and a half........
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> _______________________________________________
> FLARES mailing list
> [email protected]
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/flares
>=20

---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.    =20

Signed: Evans F. Mitchell kd4efm at arrl.net
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.509 / Virus Database: 306 - Release Date: 8/13/2003