[Fists] Fists QRS OPS

[Mike Zbrozek]

Hello Fists -

As a member of Fists since 1999 I am surprised at the consistancy of this group.
Fists continues to attract slow ops like metal filings to a magnet. In the beginning
I was very
active collecting fist numbers and cc numbers for various awards. I noticed the same
ops
on a daily/weekly basis. The people that ask you to qrs back in 99 still ask you to
qrs
in 04. And their sending is just as poor. Arent you learning anything by now? I am a
much
better driver than when I started as a teenager. Practice helps. Why doesnt this
concept work for
Fists? I doubt if this type of conversation would be conducted on FOC website? Why?
They have a higher standard for members. I am not a member and have not attempted to
join them.

Too many Fists are  slow fumbling ops and there isnt much we can do about it. I have
known
a few ops that have left the club for the above reasons stated. What amazes me are
guys that dont know how to
send  numbers.....you know who you are,,,guys sending a 3 like ...--- , what was
that? I have found
that its difficult for some to even send their fist membership nbr. What more can you
say.....
The only thing a  good opr can do is stay away from .58 if that is what makes you
upset.
I sometimes listen to .058 while doing work in the radioroom and it doesnt take long
until its time
to spin the Wheel of Misfortune.......sad to say but I know that this is what many
people have
to do...............



73

Mike, K8XF
Viva CW


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan KB6NU" <kb6nu at w8pgw.org>
To: "Fists" <fists at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Fists] QRS


> Let's not go overboard. It's lamentable that there are bad operators on the
> air, but FISTS should in no way become the "CW cops." Putting these kinds of
> measures into place would be the downfall of FISTS, and not make the bad
> operator any better.
>
> If another operator won't slow down for you, simply sign off with him or her
> and go find someone else to chat with. If someone is hogging 14.058, call CQ
> FISTS on 14.056 instead.
>
> FISTS should continue to stand for good operating practice and lead by
> example. Being punitive is a waste of time and energy.
>
> 73!
>
> Dan KB6NU
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> ARRL MI Section Affiliated Club Coordinator
> CW Geek (FISTS #9342)
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>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <YoDoc at aol.com>
> To: <fists at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 11:27 AM
> Subject: [Fists] QRS
>
>
> > Having just read the message quoted below, I recall many encounters
> on-the-air with CW operators, all FISTS members, who failed to QRS or QRS to
> my speed -- usually slowing down to twice the speed at which I was sending.
> Such behaviour is absolutely unacceptable for members of an organization
> which has, as it's motto -- "Accuracy transcends speed."  I cannot copy
> accurately when half the characters received fly by me at a rate way beyond
> my comprehension.
> >
> > I've been an avid CW operator throughout my ham "career," but am now
> primarily a digital mode operator.  I still enjoy CW QSO's, but due to the
> "diversity" of my amateur radio pursuits, I have not developed copying speed
> beyond 25 WPM, max.  I have had a lot of QSO's with OM's who started out
> clicking away at 50 WPM, but very gladly slowed to my speed, whatever it was
> at the time.  Lately, nobody seems to want to do that anymore.  I've had one
> OM try to explain it away be saying he is "pushing me to try to copy
> faster."  Thanks, OM, but I'll push myself be SENDING faster so the other OM
> I'm working can match MY speed, as should be the case.  The priority should
> always be given to the slowest operator, at least within the FISTS
> organization.
> >
> > I like the idea of setting up a system for booting people out of FISTS
> upon receipt of "x" number of complaints.  Of course, this would require at
> least two or more complaints on the same operator.  I'd also like to
> sanction other FISTS transgressions like "hogging" the .058 frequencies
> (especially 14.058) and run-together sending at ANY speed.
> >
> > I also like the idea of requiring future FISTS members to be "nominated"
> for membership.  This would require working on-the-air and receiving
> nominations from at least 3 FISTS members.  Let's see some more discussion
> of this concept.
> >
> > 73 de Larry, K3LT
> > FISTS 2008
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >A FISTS member ought to not only know better than for be an arrogant CW
> op,
> > >a FISTS member should strive to set an example of what a good op is like.
> > >Perhaps a change in bylaws is in order. How about if a set number of bad
> > >reports come in, dropping a member from FISTS?
> > >
> > >Think about this: IF A NOMINATION FOR FISTS WERE REQUIRED, WOULD ANYONE
> > >NOMINATE YOU?
> > >
> > >A person shouldn't even have to ask for someone to slow down! A good
> > >operator should do that automatically. Arrogance (by refusing to slow
> down)
> > >is not the sign of a good operator.
> >
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