[Fists] Great Lakes Director's Comments
n3drk
[email protected]
Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:01:14 -0500
Dan,
what makes you think that cw operators were supposed to be more polite
and considerate than phone operators? You should reread your replies to
posts on this reflector to see that is NOT true.
73' OB, and please do yourself a favor and cut that awful beard.
john
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan KB6NU" <[email protected]>
To: "Emmersom Bigguns" <[email protected]>; "Fists" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Fists] Great Lakes Director's Comments
> And calling someone "chickenshit" isn't rude? C'mon guys, I thought CW
> operators were supposed to be more polite and considerate that phone
> operators.
>
> As I've said before, you guys can complain all you want, but the code
> requirement is going to go away--almost certainly for the General class
> license and probably for the Extra class. All the complaining in the world
> is not going to change that. That being the case, Fists better start
> cranking up its CW promotion programs.
>
> I'll ask again... What are you guys going to do to promote the use of CW?
>
> 73!
>
> Dan KB6NU
> =============================================
> President, ARROW Comm. Assn. (www.w8pgw.org)
> HF CW op (FISTS #9342)
> Ham radio bookseller (www.QTB.Com/hamradio/)
> Read my ham radio blog at www.blurty.com/~kb6nu .
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Emmersom Bigguns" <[email protected]>
> To: "Dan KB6NU" <[email protected]>; "n3drk" <[email protected]>; "Fists"
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 7:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fists] Great Lakes Director's Comments
>
>
> > Stating that you support both sides of an "either or" issue is a
> chickenshit
> > stance.
> > Either you support code testing or you don't, pick a side.
> >
> > This guy is very rude and a joke. Glad I did not vote for him. :-)
> >
> > 72, oo
> > Dan, N8IE
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dan KB6NU" <[email protected]>
> > To: "n3drk" <[email protected]>; "Fists" <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 6:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Fists] Great Lakes Director's Comments
> >
> >
> > > Here you have someone trying to come up with a decent compromise
> proposal
> > > and you have the gall to call him "chickenshit"?
> > >
> > > You guys can piss and moan all you want, but the code requirement is
> > going
> > > to go away. So, you better crank up whatever programs you have up your
> > > sleeve (you do have one up your sleeves, don't you?) to promote CW and
> get
> > > more CW ops on the air.
> > >
> > > 73!
> > >
> > > Dan KB6NU
> > > =============================================
> > > President, ARROW Comm. Assn. (www.w8pgw.org)
> > > HF CW op (FISTS #9342)
> > > Ham radio bookseller (www.QTB.Com/hamradio/)
> > > Read my ham radio blog at www.blurty.com/~kb6nu .
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "n3drk" <[email protected]>
> > > To: "fists" <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 5:38 PM
> > > Subject: Fw: [Fists] Great Lakes Director's Comments
> > >
> > >
> > > > Yes. It is pretty pitiful the present Leadership of the ARRL.
Perfect
> > > > example of a chickenshit politician trying to appease the masses.
> > > > 73
> > > > john
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Emmersom Bigguns" <[email protected]>
> > > > To: <[email protected]>
> > > > Cc: <[email protected]>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 2:40 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Fists] Great Lakes Director's Comments
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Mr. Weaver reminds me of Charlie Brown, wishy-washey.
> > > > > If you are affraid to make a stand one way or the other, then get
> the
> > > hell
> > > > > out of the way. :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > 72, 73
> > > > > Dan, N8IE
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: <[email protected]>
> > > > > To: <[email protected]>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 2:30 PM
> > > > > Subject: [Fists] Great Lakes Director's Comments
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is Mr. Weavers latest e-mail hand out to folks in the Great
> Lakes
> > > > > area......
> > > > >
> > > > > (DIRECT ANY COMMENTS TO: [email protected]. Do not simply click on
> reply.
> > > > > The reflector does not receive or forward E-mail.)
> > > > >
> > > > > E-MAIL & US MAIL ON MORSE CODE REQUIREMENT
> > > > >
> > > > > During recent days I've received E-mail messages promoting
> absolutely
> > no
> > > > > code from proponents of No Code International. Before this, I
> received
> > > > > code-forever cards from FISTS followers. Partly because of this,
I'm
> > > > > motivated to come out with a bit of plain talk. I do not wish to
> > offend
> > > > > anyone. I respect anyone's opinion (regardless of my opinion of
it)
> > and
> > > > > continue to invite people, ARRL members especially, to let me know
> > their
> > > > > thinking. However, here is what I think about the Morse code
> licensing
> > > > > issue and how I intend to proceed at the ARRL Board meeting next
> week
> > > > > . . . and a few thoughts on other topics. Please take these words
at
> > > > > face value.
> > > > >
> > > > > THE OPINIONS OF MEMBERS
> > > > >
> > > > > Members' opinions are very important to me. Your answers to my
July
> CW
> > > > > questionnaire caused me to modify my initial position on code
> > > > > requirements. Any member of this Division was eligible and
requested
> > to
> > > > > give me his/her thoughts. For members who somehow did not receive
> the
> > > > > poll, I regret you were missed. For you who chose to ignore the
> > > > > questionnaire, I am sorry you shut yourselves out of helping shape
> my
> > > > > opinion. You snooze; you lose!
> > > > >
> > > > > NO CODE INTERNATIONAL (NCI)
> > > > >
> > > > > NCI has done a good job of encouraging its members and followers
to
> > let
> > > > > me know what they think. No problem. Unfortunately, most of the
NCI
> > > > > people who contacted me and identified themselves as such do not
> > belong
> > > > > to ARRL. They lost their opportunity to help me formulate my
> position
> > > > > on code requirements by not being an ARRL member and, therefore,
not
> > > > > replying to my questionnaire. My position was developed by
mid-Fall
> > > > > after studying the hundreds of responses by members to my
> > questionnaire
> > > > > and after studying other information I found.
> > > > >
> > > > > NON-MEMBERS
> > > > >
> > > > > To be very frank, unless a non-member comes to me with a clearly
> good
> > > > > idea or points out a clear problem, their opinion holds
> significantly
> > > > > less weight with me than those of members. With exception,
> nonmembers
> > > > > do not actively support the fight ARRL is making to defeat the
> forces
> > > > > (BPL) attempting to QRM our frequencies on a wholesale basis. They
> > also
> > > > > generally do not support our effort to pass legislation that
> prohibits
> > > > > FCC from skimming off our frequencies at will . . . or our fight
to
> > > > > secure the right for each amateur to install an antenna/tower
> > (provided
> > > > > doing this is physically reasonable and safe). In short,
nonmembers
> > who
> > > > > ask my support for a position usually have not in my opinion shown
> > they
> > > > > care enough about Amateur Radio by joining the fight to protect it
> and
> > > > > enhance it.
> > > > >
> > > > > If anyone wants my unqualified representation, all they need to do
> is
> > to
> > > > > join ARRL and become part of the only organization in the world
that
> > is
> > > > > fighting to preserve and enhance Amateur Radio in the US.
Shouldn't
> it
> > > > > be more important that all of us get together under one strong
> > > > > organization to defeat the BPLs, frequency skimmers and
> > > > > anti-antenna/tower rules than to have a head-butting contest over
> > either
> > > > > of the no code or know code extremes?
> > > > >
> > > > > As an example of the reason I feel this way, it would matter not
> that
> > I
> > > > > have a 20-wpm license or a no-code license, if we lose essential
> > battles
> > > > > and find ourselves but have only insufficient, and highly QRMd
> > > > > frequencies on which to exercise these licenses.
> > > > >
> > > > > MY POSITION
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree with and will pursue offering the opportunity in a
> meaningful
> > > > > way to no code licensees to use HF. I have just become a Bad Guy
in
> > the
> > > > > eyes of the strict know-coders.
> > > > >
> > > > > I also agree with and will pursue requiring Morse code
requirements
> > for
> > > > > a specified class of license. I have now also become a Bad Guy in
> the
> > > > > eyes of the strict no-coders.
> > > > > Let's face it, no matter what I and the rest of the Board do in
this
> > > > > matter, we will be labeled stooges, a bunch of out-of-touch old
men
> > and
> > > > > saddled with the claim we have prostituted ourselves to the
> financial
> > > > > dictates of someone or other, somewhere. This easily-concocted
view
> of
> > > > > the Directors and Officers is an easy, if not fully inaccurate,
> target
> > > > > for anyone who does not get exactly what they feel they deserve.
> > > > >
> > > > > So much for the goings on in the world of friendly politics!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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