Fw: [Fists] Great Lakes Director's Comments
n3drk
[email protected]
Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:54:58 -0500
Dan,
Like I said you have not been around for the past 30 years and you go
to a Field Day in 2002 and now you are the big know it all in regard to
ARRL
Policies. Then you have the stupidty to say that you suspect all I have
done
over the past ten years is complain. You do not know anything about me and
others here. Only assumptions.
So get lost you big schmuck and take your arrogance with you.
73's OB
john
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan KB6NU" <[email protected]>
> To: "Fists" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 6:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fists] Great Lakes Director's Comments
>
>
> > John,
> >
> > You need to do more than just complain.
> >
> > None of you "fighters" have described anything that you're currently
doing
> > to improve the situation. I suspect that all you've done over the past
ten
> > years is complain on forums like this one, and guess what, complaining
> > doesn't get the job done.
> >
> > 73!
> >
> > Dan KB6NU
> > =============================================
> > President, ARROW Comm. Assn. (www.w8pgw.org)
> > HF CW op (FISTS #9342)
> > Ham radio bookseller (www.QTB.Com/hamradio/)
> > Read my ham radio blog at www.blurty.com/~kb6nu .
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "n3drk" <[email protected]>
> > To: "Dan KB6NU" <[email protected]>; "Emmersom Bigguns" <[email protected]>;
> > "Fists" <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 2:53 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Fists] Great Lakes Director's Comments
> >
> >
> > > Dan, KB6NU, states that we can complain all we want. Well Dan we
> > will.
> > > We have been in this fight for the past 10 years. Where have you been?
> As
> > > per your little bio on qrz.com I quote you as saying, "Although
I've
> > had
> > > a ticket for more than 30 years, I've never been very active UNTIL I
got
> > > hooked again after going to our club's 2002 Field Day activities"
> > >
> > > Well Dan that sure says a lot. After a 30 year absence you
> > > suddenly appear on the scene without knowing what has transpired the
> past
> > 10
> > > years and have the nerve to tell us to quit our complaining and what
we
> > are
> > > doing to promote cw. Man are you RUDE and shortsighted. You take
offense
> > if
> > > someone disagrees with a stance of a public official of the ARRL. And
> this
> > > guy is Chickenshit for not even taking a stance. He is an elected
> official
> > > Dan and we as members have the right to speak out and disagree in any
> > manner
> > > we chose to do so. Go and order the past ten years of QST and read up
on
> > the
> > > so-called ARRL surveys which were conducted and how the majority of
> voters
> > > had voted for the retainment of CW and then look and ask yourself why
> the
> > > ARRL did NOT listen to their membership.
> > > Until then you do obviously do not know what you are
speaking
> > of.
> > > You are like a beer fart in the wind.
> > > 73's OB
> > > john
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dan KB6NU" <[email protected]>
> > > To: "Emmersom Bigguns" <[email protected]>; "Fists"
> <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 7:34 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Fists] Great Lakes Director's Comments
> > >
> > >
> > > > And calling someone "chickenshit" isn't rude? C'mon guys, I thought
CW
> > > > operators were supposed to be more polite and considerate that phone
> > > > operators.
> > > >
> > > > As I've said before, you guys can complain all you want, but the
code
> > > > requirement is going to go away--almost certainly for the General
> class
> > > > license and probably for the Extra class. All the complaining in the
> > world
> > > > is not going to change that. That being the case, Fists better start
> > > > cranking up its CW promotion programs.
> > > >
> > > > I'll ask again... What are you guys going to do to promote the use
of
> > CW?
> > > >
> > > > 73!
> > > >
> > > > Dan KB6NU
> > > > =============================================
> > > > President, ARROW Comm. Assn. (www.w8pgw.org)
> > > > HF CW op (FISTS #9342)
> > > > Ham radio bookseller (www.QTB.Com/hamradio/)
> > > > Read my ham radio blog at www.blurty.com/~kb6nu .
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Emmersom Bigguns" <[email protected]>
> > > > To: "Dan KB6NU" <[email protected]>; "n3drk" <[email protected]>;
> "Fists"
> > > > <[email protected]>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 7:00 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Fists] Great Lakes Director's Comments
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Stating that you support both sides of an "either or" issue is a
> > > > chickenshit
> > > > > stance.
> > > > > Either you support code testing or you don't, pick a side.
> > > > >
> > > > > This guy is very rude and a joke. Glad I did not vote for him. :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > 72, oo
> > > > > Dan, N8IE
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Dan KB6NU" <[email protected]>
> > > > > To: "n3drk" <[email protected]>; "Fists" <[email protected]>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 6:49 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Fists] Great Lakes Director's Comments
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Here you have someone trying to come up with a decent compromise
> > > > proposal
> > > > > > and you have the gall to call him "chickenshit"?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You guys can piss and moan all you want, but the code
requirement
> > is
> > > > > going
> > > > > > to go away. So, you better crank up whatever programs you have
up
> > your
> > > > > > sleeve (you do have one up your sleeves, don't you?) to promote
CW
> > and
> > > > get
> > > > > > more CW ops on the air.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 73!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dan KB6NU
> > > > > > =============================================
> > > > > > President, ARROW Comm. Assn. (www.w8pgw.org)
> > > > > > HF CW op (FISTS #9342)
> > > > > > Ham radio bookseller (www.QTB.Com/hamradio/)
> > > > > > Read my ham radio blog at www.blurty.com/~kb6nu .
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "n3drk" <[email protected]>
> > > > > > To: "fists" <[email protected]>
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 5:38 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Fw: [Fists] Great Lakes Director's Comments
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes. It is pretty pitiful the present Leadership of the ARRL.
> > > Perfect
> > > > > > > example of a chickenshit politician trying to appease the
> masses.
> > > > > > > 73
> > > > > > > john
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Emmersom Bigguns" <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > To: <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > Cc: <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 2:40 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Fists] Great Lakes Director's Comments
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mr. Weaver reminds me of Charlie Brown, wishy-washey.
> > > > > > > > If you are affraid to make a stand one way or the other,
then
> > get
> > > > the
> > > > > > hell
> > > > > > > > out of the way. :-)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 72, 73
> > > > > > > > Dan, N8IE
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > To: <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 2:30 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: [Fists] Great Lakes Director's Comments
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Here is Mr. Weavers latest e-mail hand out to folks in the
> Great
> > > > Lakes
> > > > > > > > area......
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > (DIRECT ANY COMMENTS TO: [email protected]. Do not simply click
on
> > > > reply.
> > > > > > > > The reflector does not receive or forward E-mail.)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > E-MAIL & US MAIL ON MORSE CODE REQUIREMENT
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > During recent days I've received E-mail messages promoting
> > > > absolutely
> > > > > no
> > > > > > > > code from proponents of No Code International. Before this,
I
> > > > received
> > > > > > > > code-forever cards from FISTS followers. Partly because of
> this,
> > > I'm
> > > > > > > > motivated to come out with a bit of plain talk. I do not
wish
> to
> > > > > offend
> > > > > > > > anyone. I respect anyone's opinion (regardless of my opinion
> of
> > > it)
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > continue to invite people, ARRL members especially, to let
me
> > know
> > > > > their
> > > > > > > > thinking. However, here is what I think about the Morse code
> > > > licensing
> > > > > > > > issue and how I intend to proceed at the ARRL Board meeting
> next
> > > > week
> > > > > > > > . . . and a few thoughts on other topics. Please take these
> > words
> > > at
> > > > > > > > face value.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > THE OPINIONS OF MEMBERS
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Members' opinions are very important to me. Your answers to
my
> > > July
> > > > CW
> > > > > > > > questionnaire caused me to modify my initial position on
code
> > > > > > > > requirements. Any member of this Division was eligible and
> > > requested
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > give me his/her thoughts. For members who somehow did not
> > receive
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > poll, I regret you were missed. For you who chose to ignore
> the
> > > > > > > > questionnaire, I am sorry you shut yourselves out of helping
> > shape
> > > > my
> > > > > > > > opinion. You snooze; you lose!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > NO CODE INTERNATIONAL (NCI)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > NCI has done a good job of encouraging its members and
> followers
> > > to
> > > > > let
> > > > > > > > me know what they think. No problem. Unfortunately, most of
> the
> > > NCI
> > > > > > > > people who contacted me and identified themselves as such do
> not
> > > > > belong
> > > > > > > > to ARRL. They lost their opportunity to help me formulate my
> > > > position
> > > > > > > > on code requirements by not being an ARRL member and,
> therefore,
> > > not
> > > > > > > > replying to my questionnaire. My position was developed by
> > > mid-Fall
> > > > > > > > after studying the hundreds of responses by members to my
> > > > > questionnaire
> > > > > > > > and after studying other information I found.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > NON-MEMBERS
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > To be very frank, unless a non-member comes to me with a
> clearly
> > > > good
> > > > > > > > idea or points out a clear problem, their opinion holds
> > > > significantly
> > > > > > > > less weight with me than those of members. With exception,
> > > > nonmembers
> > > > > > > > do not actively support the fight ARRL is making to defeat
the
> > > > forces
> > > > > > > > (BPL) attempting to QRM our frequencies on a wholesale
basis.
> > They
> > > > > also
> > > > > > > > generally do not support our effort to pass legislation that
> > > > prohibits
> > > > > > > > FCC from skimming off our frequencies at will . . . or our
> fight
> > > to
> > > > > > > > secure the right for each amateur to install an
antenna/tower
> > > > > (provided
> > > > > > > > doing this is physically reasonable and safe). In short,
> > > nonmembers
> > > > > who
> > > > > > > > ask my support for a position usually have not in my opinion
> > shown
> > > > > they
> > > > > > > > care enough about Amateur Radio by joining the fight to
> protect
> > it
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > enhance it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If anyone wants my unqualified representation, all they need
> to
> > do
> > > > is
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > join ARRL and become part of the only organization in the
> world
> > > that
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > fighting to preserve and enhance Amateur Radio in the US.
> > > Shouldn't
> > > > it
> > > > > > > > be more important that all of us get together under one
strong
> > > > > > > > organization to defeat the BPLs, frequency skimmers and
> > > > > > > > anti-antenna/tower rules than to have a head-butting contest
> > over
> > > > > either
> > > > > > > > of the no code or know code extremes?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As an example of the reason I feel this way, it would matter
> not
> > > > that
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > > have a 20-wpm license or a no-code license, if we lose
> essential
> > > > > battles
> > > > > > > > and find ourselves but have only insufficient, and highly
QRMd
> > > > > > > > frequencies on which to exercise these licenses.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > MY POSITION
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I agree with and will pursue offering the opportunity in a
> > > > meaningful
> > > > > > > > way to no code licensees to use HF. I have just become a Bad
> Guy
> > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > eyes of the strict know-coders.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I also agree with and will pursue requiring Morse code
> > > requirements
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > a specified class of license. I have now also become a Bad
Guy
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > eyes of the strict no-coders.
> > > > > > > > Let's face it, no matter what I and the rest of the Board do
> in
> > > this
> > > > > > > > matter, we will be labeled stooges, a bunch of out-of-touch
> old
> > > men
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > saddled with the claim we have prostituted ourselves to the
> > > > financial
> > > > > > > > dictates of someone or other, somewhere. This
easily-concocted
> > > view
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > the Directors and Officers is an easy, if not fully
> inaccurate,
> > > > target
> > > > > > > > for anyone who does not get exactly what they feel they
> deserve.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So much for the goings on in the world of friendly politics!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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