From jeff@ke9v.com  Wed Oct  1 21:27:42 2003
From: jeff@ke9v.com (Jeff Davis)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 15:27:42 -0500
Subject: [Fists] NCVEC Comment Stats
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031001151416.0240a880@mail.ke9v.com>

The ARRL is reporting the following stats about the NCVEC petition to 
eliminate Morse testing for amateur licensing:

* 600+ total comments on RM-10787
* 56% in favor of dropping Morse testing
* 43% opposed

The period for commenting on this petition is now closed. A little math 
tells me that only 250 commented in opposition to the NCVEC petition. FISTS 
may have issued over 10,000 member numbers but apparently, the vast 
majority of FISTS members are completely ambivalent when it comes to this 
particular issue.

-- 
Jeff, Ke9v

"Everybody is entitled to their own opinion,
but they're not entitled to their own facts.
The data is the data."  


From jeff@ke9v.com  Thu Oct  2 01:35:05 2003
From: jeff@ke9v.com (jeff@ke9v.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:35:05 -0500
Subject: [Fists] Stats Comment
Message-ID: <004001c3887d$074381a0$9800a8c0@ke9v>

FISTS,

While the number of comments filed against the NCVEC petition were
much less spectacular than any of us would have preferred, I think my
comments were a bit harsh. I doubt seriously that most FISTS are
"ambivalent" about the Code vs No-Code issue and I apologize if anyone
took offense at my exasperation.

We'll simply have to do better when the FISTS petition becomes
available for public comment.

-- 
73 de Jeff
FISTS #6641



From wb0wao@hotmail.com  Thu Oct  2 05:43:41 2003
From: wb0wao@hotmail.com (Dennis Ponsness)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 04:43:41 +0000
Subject: [Fists] NCVEC Comment Stats
Message-ID: <LAW11-F54DgI6bXmdMJ0000120b@hotmail.com>

>The period for commenting on this petition is now closed. A little math 
>tells me that only 250 commented in opposition to the NCVEC petition. FISTS 
>may have issued over 10,000 member numbers but apparently, the vast 
>majority of FISTS members are completely ambivalent when it comes to this 
>particular issue.

Well, maybe not....  I am sure that there are a lot of SK's, DX FISTS 
members, clubs and generally inactive ops in that 10,000 as well.  Perhaps 
the best yardstick to measure with is the number of active, paid up FISTS 
members in the US.  I did file a lengthy comment (against) on the NCVEC 
petition, but did not file any on the others - they are going to be looked 
at as a whole and not individual as I understand it.  And believe it or not, 
I would bet that some active FISTS members are NOT against the petitions and 
really think that eliminating Element 1 testing is OK!


73

Dennis - WB0WAO

EN84ij Iosco County, Michigan
K2 #3555
FISTS # 9299 (Paid up and active1)
Charter Member - Michigan DX Association
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From ATanner283@aol.com  Wed Oct  1 22:07:02 2003
From: ATanner283@aol.com (ATanner283@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:07:02 EDT
Subject: [Fists] NCVEC Comment Stats
Message-ID: <d0.3f716aad.2cac9bf6@aol.com>

As they were when the license issues were up for comment..............Maybe 
folks really DON'T care about this stuff........


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From ATanner283@aol.com  Thu Oct  2 02:04:29 2003
From: ATanner283@aol.com (ATanner283@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 21:04:29 EDT
Subject: [Fists] Stats Comment
Message-ID: <11.19aae690.2cacd39d@aol.com>

Historically.........you are correct.


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From listowner@mailman.qth.net  Thu Oct  2 06:20:42 2003
From: listowner@mailman.qth.net (Tim)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 01:20:42 -0400
Subject: [Fists] QTH Needs Immediate Funding!
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031002012033.03c03248@64.238.2.60>

List Members

The below message from Al (QSL/QTH.NET owner) was sent along with the monthly password reminder today.  I know a lot of you didn't read this message but I believe that it deserves a look.  We are desperately in need of funds and we need your help to keep QTH.NET up and running.  

I know there are probably plenty of reasons why you may have not contributed in the past, but if everyone gave a little every year, we wouldn't be in the situation we are now.  Your contribution is the only thing that can keep this network up and running.

Please give what you can.

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From Wt8r@aol.com  Thu Oct  2 15:01:23 2003
From: Wt8r@aol.com (Wt8r@aol.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:01:23 EDT
Subject: [Fists] NCVEC Comment Stats
Message-ID: <26.3f753632.2cad89b3@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/2/03 12:45:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
wb0wao@hotmail.com writes:

> 
> >The period for commenting on this petition is now closed. A little math 
> >tells me that only 250 commented in opposition to the NCVEC petition. FISTS 
> 
> >may have issued over 10,000 member numbers but apparently, the vast 
> >majority of FISTS members are completely ambivalent when it comes to this 
> >particular issue.
> 
> Well, maybe not....  I am sure that there are a lot of SK's, DX FISTS 
> members, clubs and generally inactive ops in that 10,000 as well.     And 
> believe it or not, .......................
> I would bet that some active FISTS members are NOT against the petitions and 
> 
> really think that eliminating Element 1 testing is OK!
> 
> 73
> 
> Dennis - WB0WAO
> 
> EN84ij Iosco County, Michigan
> K2 #3555
> FISTS # 9299 (Paid up and active1)

Dear Dennis,
       
       I for one am (FISTS # 7019) am NOT for eliminating the CW requirement 
for getting a ham license, I think we should do away with testing altogether 
so that everyone could be an Extra Class with discrimination.  That way we 
could all have access to ALL of the frequencies and modes and take away any reason 
for the FCC to element our use of the bands. 

       Rules and band segment usage is difficult for us older folk to 
remember so we could just eliminate that also.  If I want to operate slow scan TV in 
the middle of a DX pile up, why should anyone care or perhaps I could get a 10 
KW AM transmitter and operate a broadcast station for the benefit of amateur 
radio (ala K1MAN) in the SSB portion of the bands.

       We should encourage anyone and everyone to get a ticket by paying 
their fee.  Especially fertile fields are found in the arena of ex-CBers and their 
10 codes, long haul truck drivers (they may not want to pay the fee) and 
illegal immigrants in this country who want to save postage.

       We must be careful not to discriminate against ANYONE because everyone 
has a Constitutional right to have a license.  Perhaps we can persuade the 
radio manufacturers to include the license in the box with the purchase of the 
radio so that people wouldn't be inconvenienced by having to go to a place 
where VE's give the exams.

       Heaven forbid that we have anyone in this hobby that has any EXPERTISE 
or anyone who is required to do anything that they don't like or want to do.  
Why should anyone be required to follow rules?  I see duffers playing the in 
the PGA all of the time and Tiger Woods is real happy about it.

       You are an Extra?  You must be a 5 WPM (welfare) extra if you think 
ANY FISTS member would be in favor of eliminating the CW requirement.  Why would 
anyone in his right mind want to be a member of FISTS if they weren't in 
favor of a 
CW test?  

       Get real and lay off smoking the rope.

73 de

Dave, WT8R


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From casey@tomochka.com  Fri Oct  3 04:28:06 2003
From: casey@tomochka.com (Casey)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 20:28:06 -0700
Subject: [Fists] QTH Needs Immediate Funding!
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031002012033.03c03248@64.238.2.60>
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K7FFF just donated 20 bux. 73.

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Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 10:21 PM
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Subject: [Fists] QTH Needs Immediate Funding!


List Members

The below message from Al (QSL/QTH.NET owner) was sent along with the
monthly password reminder today.  I know a lot of you didn't read this
message but I believe that it deserves a look.  We are desperately in need
of funds and we need your help to keep QTH.NET up and running.

I know there are probably plenty of reasons why you may have not contributed
in the past, but if everyone gave a little every year, we wouldn't be in the
situation we are now.  Your contribution is the only thing that can keep
this network up and running.

Please give what you can.

Thanks

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QTH lists are for Hams and are operated by Hams, we strive to keep the
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From wb0wao@hotmail.com  Fri Oct  3 06:49:28 2003
From: wb0wao@hotmail.com (Dennis Ponsness)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 05:49:28 +0000
Subject: [Fists] NCVEC Comment Stats
Message-ID: <Law11-F361kLwxTQTYk0000aa53@hotmail.com>

OM,
  When I received your diatribe this morning, I was tempted to send off a 
reply to you and the list at once, but I held off because I did not see the 
message posted to the group.  As the day went on, I kept checking back and 
still I did not see it come thru to the group.  I then decided that if for 
some reason it did not show up, I was just going to ignore it - as well as 
ignore you - however I see that it did finally make it to the group so I 
just have to respond to it in my own defense.

  At first I was amused by your satirical attempt to justify a complete 
"deregulation" of obtaining a license until I got to the end and read your 
direct insult to myself.  I thought I made it clear from my original posting 
that I commented against, repeat AGAINST, the NCVEC Petition - I thought 
that I made that VERY clear to anyone who could read.  And I did not file a 
two-line "I think this idea sucks" kind of comment, mine ran 4 pages and 
did, IMHO, a pretty fair job of taking apart the NCVEC's major points.  I 
even made a couple of counter-proposals myself.  If you would like to read 
my comments, I filed them on 08/28/03 on RM-10787.  Just do a seach and you 
will find them - BTW I did a search myself for comments filed by you on 
RM-10787 and was unable to find any (searched by last name and by ZIP code), 
you did file comments didn't you?   I would think that since you feel so 
passionately about this topic you would have at least filed comments, 
perhaps you can clear that up for myself and the rest of the group.

   Oh and yes, you are correct I am a 5 wpm "welfare Extra", and so the hell 
what?  I have some information for you that will really ruin your day...  I 
have met the standards set down in CRF 97 to be issued a license grant for 
Amateur Extra by the FCC - in the eyes of the FCC and 99% of the amateur 
community we hold the same class of license, in other words - we are equals! 
  I am so sorry that when I got back into ham radio after a 10 year hiatus, 
there was no more testing for 13wpm or 20wpm anymore.  I know, when I found 
that out I just should have not even bothered and took up stamp collecting 
or something else.  I know I shouldn't have sullied the bands by getting on 
the air with my "welfare Extra" class of license.  I guess I should just 
abandon using CW and go back up to using voice and/or digimoded like the 
rest of us pretenders and leave the CW areas of the bands to you "real 
Extras"!

   BTW, thank you for stating that "Why would anyone in his right mind want 
to be a member of FISTS if they weren't in favor of a CW test?".  I seem to 
have missed the changes in the FISTS mottos and/or membership requirements.  
Last time I checked, the requirements for membership were "There is only one 
requirement  to join FISTS  A love of MORSE and a concern for its 
perpetuation" - so they must have changed it to indicate that you had to be 
a proponent of Element 1 testing.  Did it EVER occur to you that someone MAY 
believe that the end of Element 1 tensting MAY not be such a bad thing?  Oh, 
and FYI, I am for the continued testing of Element 1 and always have been - 
so may I please stay a member of FISTS, even though I am a worthless wefare 
Extra?  I also see, at least in your case, that the "Courtesy at All Times" 
motto has been abandoned as well - or perhaps it was modified to exclude 
dealings with us "welfare Extras".

   In closing, I would like to say to you the following - you sir - and 
others who think like you - are the main reason that CW is slowing becoming 
a dying art.  Your arrogant, condencending and elitist attitude towards 
other hams that did not have to sit for an FCC administered exam and take 
the 20wpm test is doing more to turn ops off CW and kill it than No Code 
International or their ilk could ever hope to accomplish!  You probably 
almost had a stroke the day that the requirement was lowered to 5wpm, well 
it happened so GET OVER IT!  And guess what, in all probability Morse 
testing will end for at least General sometime early next year!  What will 
YOU do then - sell your equipment?   You do so embody the "true amateur 
sprit" by your comments and attitudes - HPM would be so proud of you!  What 
a positive image you project to new hams that somehow feel that they may 
just want to become proficient CW ops.  I sincerly hope that you are in the 
minority, not only of ham radio but of FISTS as well.  Because it would be a 
shame to see such a wonderful organization such as FISTS become hi-jacked by 
a bunch of arrogant, angry ops who are dedicated to the "ethnic cleansing" 
of the bands based on WHEN you received your license.  FISTS is the de facto 
"voice" for CW on the amateur bands, and as such enjoys a certain status.  
Your kind tends to dirty that voice to the point that FISTS will be regarded 
as a "fringe" group by the mainstream amateur community, and as such will 
not be respected or listened to (think K1MAN).  I replied to this not just 
to take you to task for your comments, but to at least go on the record so 
others will see that FISTS is not composed largely of your kind - at least I 
hope so, because if it is, I will definately NOT be renewing my membership 
next year!



73

Dennis - WB0WAO
EN84ij Iosco County, Michigan
K2 #3555

FISTS # 9299
Charter Member - Michigan DX Association
www.qsl.net/wb0wao
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From k9di@k9di.org  Fri Oct  3 12:13:10 2003
From: k9di@k9di.org (Wayne K9DI)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 11:13:10 +0000
Subject: [Fists] Re: NCVEC Comment stats...or why are we wasting time talking about this, when BPL is going to wipe out Ham radio as we know it?
Message-ID: <20031003111310.GE4424@robinton>

		Hi Dennis es the group,
	Wayne K9DI es Patriot here.  I'm just writing to thank Dennis 
for his post and to let you know that I do not think of anyone as a 
"welfare" Extra.  Hell, if I did that I'd have to call myself one. ..:)  
I too hope that the quote "op" unqote (WT8R) who slings labels around 
gets his head out of his A**!!  Dave, who died and left you in charge of 
deciding what the purpose of FISTS is?  Now, what could Tex Burdick 
W5BQU label you as Dave?  As Tex passed his licensing exam in 1930????  
In front of a FCC examiner, probably had to draw schematics, and if 
memory serves me the morse exam element was only 10 or 13 wpm?  Perhaps, 
Dave (WT8R) you should get off your high horse and get on the air some 
more, but please, please don't elmer anyone until you get your 
prejudices under control.  Think about it, Tex is 103 years old gets on the 
air everyday, on SSB only because he has little or no sensation left in his 
fingers, and will talk to anyone and share his wonderful stories with them 
regardless of their age, location or license class.  I QSO'd with Tex a few 
months back and he was kind enough to permit 3rd party traffic with my, 
then, seven year old daughter.  She still remembers that conversation 
and we both treasure the QSL card from Tex.  So who would I rather 
emulate: Tex who is friendly and has probably done more as a good 
steward for our hobby, or Dave who appears to be an elitist, hateful, 
self-serving snob...Hmmmm...let me think about that one....Tex wins!!!!! 
Tex WINS!!!!!
	Dave WT8R, I don't know who your elmers were, but mine taught me 
to be friendly and courteous at all times.  Do you want to see a group 
of ops willing to elmer and support new hams or encourage them to 
homebrew or upgrade check out hamradiohelp on yahoogroups, or even check 
out www.fpqrp.com and learn about a ham community that cares about and 
for it's members.  The Flying Pigs QRP Club International, to me, shows 
what a true ham community should strive to be.  It's like a big family 
where we are all siblings with an equal say in how things shake down.    
	Dennis, you're right last I checked FISTS only 
membership requirement was a love of Morse and a concern for it's perpetuation.
	I don't know what the FCC, in it's "infinite" wisdom, will do.  
However, I have a feeling things will change, AGAIN, and we hams will 
have to live with it.  BTW: WHY IN HELL, are we fighting over this crap 
when the thing we really have to worry about destroying our hobby is 
BPL??????  
	I'm gonna go get on the air....
73
de
Wayne K9DI
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www.k9di.org             | "Linux and Ham Radio an excellent Team!"  
LICQ #315313             | "Have you thanked your Elmer(s) lately?"   
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From k9di@k9di.org  Fri Oct  3 14:01:10 2003
From: k9di@k9di.org (Wayne K9DI)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:01:10 +0000
Subject: [Fists] I have to appologize
Message-ID: <20031003130110.GC7609@robinton>

		Hello list,
	Wayne K9DI es Leader Dog Patriot here.  I am writing this to 
appologize to Dave WT8R.  I slammed him in public so it's only fair 
that I appologize in public.  Since I do not know Dave personally I had 
no right to characterize him in the mammer I did in my last post.  Dave, I 
hope you will accept my appologies for losing my temper.
	I did the very thing that was pounded into my head not to do by 
my elmers and I'm not very proud of myself right now...
	Tnx fer the bandwidth
73
de
Wayne K9DI
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www.k9di.org             | "Linux and Ham Radio an excellent Team!"  
LICQ #315313             | "Have you thanked your Elmer(s) lately?"   
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From staniw@abq.com  Fri Oct  3 14:26:18 2003
From: staniw@abq.com (Stanley)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 07:26:18 -0600
Subject: [Fists] Puzzled
Message-ID: <3F7D78FA.5010607@abq.com>

Hi Gang:
I have been reading all the posts which, of late, have been aimed at 
each other and frankly, I am puzzled. Yes, I am a 20 WPM extra
licensed and on cw, since 1946 but so what? That doesn't make me a 
better CW operator. It is my actual "Hands On" or shall I say
"Fingers On" experience, that makes me either good or bad.. We are 
accomplishing nothing by growling at each other. I, for one,
have just decided to go back to the basics. I dug out my old Blue Racer 
Bug again (from 1950) and am using nothing else. I have
put my paddle away and believe it or not, I am having more fun than the 
proverbial "Barrel of Monkies". I have to swallow my pride,
because anyone can send with a paddle, but using the old Blue Racer gets 
us back to the basic skills that made this hobby what it
is when it comes to CW. I have made contacts with other bug ops that 
make me eat some "Humble Pie" and that shows me where the
real value lies in CW.  No matter what happens to our favorite mode, I 
am going to keep operating on the bands in my favorite mode
even in between the SSB guys that will move in around us, and I will one 
day, disappear into the sunset still beating on my old
Blue Racer.
Stan W5ZF (ex: W6BCT, W5RSI)
FISTS No. 6183
DXCC Homor Roll




From nancy@tir.com  Fri Oct  3 15:41:12 2003
From: nancy@tir.com (Nancy WZ8C)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:41:12 -0400
Subject: [Fists] Delay posts, etc
Message-ID: <004b01c389bc$64fd88a0$7ea328d8@h4s6u1>

All the qth.net reflectors are set up in such a way (by Al) that messages
with CC's and/or BCC's are not automatically posted to the reflectors. They
go into
a "holding pen" until the list manager can log into the 'holding pen", read
them, and OK them for posting or reject them.

The purpose of this is to keep replies that would be more appropriately sent
directly to the person who wrote what you are reponding to, from cluttering
up the reflector and causing threads from degenerating.  These sort of
replies range from  "thanks for the info" emails to personal bickering type
back-and-forth things that have no relevance to the general subscriber
population, no matter how clever or entertaining we think we're being.

It is also to stop spam-posting and cross-posting: sending the same email to
numerous reflectors.

Most of these emails are whooshed off in the heat of the moment. Email makes
it much to easy to lash out or retaliate with purely emotional reaction. I
would bet that most of the time, if you had to sit down, write with a pen
and paper, put it in an envelope, stamp it and take it to the mailbox, most
of the flaming that goes on wouldn't happen because you would have calmed
down before actually mailing that letter.

I haven't been removing any posts that end up in the "holding
pen" for CC reasons, but please count to ten and take some deep breaths, or
walk away from the computer for a moment and consider whether we all need to
read your comments and whether the email contributes information to the
group.
If you're sending the comments to the person directly, most of the time it
doesn't need
to go to the reflector also.

Many people have unsubscribed from this reflector because
of the flame wars that get started. That defeats the purpose of the
reflector, which is to distribute info about FISTS activities and items of
interest to FISTS members. The more people who unsubscribe, the less people
we are reaching.  That is my fault because I'm not censoring the posts.
If name calling, personal attacks, and general flaming persists, I will be
forced to start doing that.
Please don't let it come to that.

The licensing issue is a very emotional topic, I don't think anyone knows
that better than I do. But, lets try and keep it civil, and if you can't,
keep it private and don't CC the reflector.

By the way, if you write to the
person directly and also CC the reflector, the directly addresssed message
is delivered immediately, it is only the post to the reflector that gets
diverted to the 'holding pen".

Thanks,
Nancy WZ8C



From nz7c@cox.net  Fri Oct  3 13:52:35 2003
From: nz7c@cox.net (Tim)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 05:52:35 -0700
Subject: [Fists] Puzzled
References: <3F7D78FA.5010607@abq.com>
Message-ID: <000801c389ad$380c8d00$97f26a44@ph.cox.net>

Very well said Stan!! - (from a "newbie" to cw of just 3 years)
73/Tim NZ7C
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stanley" <staniw@abq.com>
To: <fists@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 6:26 AM
Subject: [Fists] Puzzled


> Hi Gang:
> I have been reading all the posts which, of late, have been aimed at 
> each other and frankly, I am puzzled. Yes, I am a 20 WPM extra
> licensed and on cw, since 1946 but so what? That doesn't make me a 
> better CW operator. It is my actual "Hands On" or shall I say
> "Fingers On" experience, that makes me either good or bad.. We are 
> accomplishing nothing by growling at each other. I, for one,
> have just decided to go back to the basics. I dug out my old Blue Racer 
> Bug again (from 1950) and am using nothing else. I have
> put my paddle away and believe it or not, I am having more fun than the 
> proverbial "Barrel of Monkies". I have to swallow my pride,
> because anyone can send with a paddle, but using the old Blue Racer gets 
> us back to the basic skills that made this hobby what it
> is when it comes to CW. I have made contacts with other bug ops that 
> make me eat some "Humble Pie" and that shows me where the
> real value lies in CW.  No matter what happens to our favorite mode, I 
> am going to keep operating on the bands in my favorite mode
> even in between the SSB guys that will move in around us, and I will one 
> day, disappear into the sunset still beating on my old
> Blue Racer.
> Stan W5ZF (ex: W6BCT, W5RSI)
> FISTS No. 6183
> DXCC Homor Roll
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Fists mailing list
> Fists@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/fists


From john_k7fd@cablespeed.com  Fri Oct  3 15:13:07 2003
From: john_k7fd@cablespeed.com (john_k7fd)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 07:13:07 -0700
Subject: [Fists] Puzzled
References: <3F7D78FA.5010607@abq.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c389b8$780ab020$3801a8c0@codeking>

Bugs seem to be making a comeback! I just switched from long time keyer use
back to a bug -- & you're right, it IS humbling, HI! But what fun it is! And
I'm running into others lately that are bringing their bugs out of the
closet...

Don't forget about BUG NITE!

http://www.qth.com/collegiate/bugnite.htm

73 John K7FD, GHD Bug Fists 2420

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stanley" <staniw@abq.com>
Subject: [Fists] Puzzled


> have just decided to go back to the basics. I dug out my old Blue Racer
> Bug again (from 1950) and am using nothing else. I have
> put my paddle away and believe it or not, I am having more fun than the
> proverbial "Barrel of Monkies".


From casey@tomochka.com  Fri Oct  3 22:18:48 2003
From: casey@tomochka.com (Casey)
Date: 3 Oct 2003 21:18:48 -0000
Subject: [Fists] Puzzled
In-Reply-To: <>
References: <>
Message-ID: <20031003211848.2810.qmail@anamorph.nightskyhosting.com>

God help us all (poor ops on the other end)! <big grin>

Just kiddin', I worked John the other night with his bug on 80M and he is 
being modest about his skill. Solid copy here. Actually, though, he needs 
to work on developing a "swing". HI.

73,

Casey, KS7J (I'm stickin' to my paddles)

On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 07:13:07 -0700, "john_k7fd" <john_k7fd@cablespeed.com> 
wrote :

> Bugs seem to be making a comeback! I just switched from long time keyer 
use
> back to a bug -- & you're right, it IS humbling, HI! But what fun it is! 
And
> I'm running into others lately that are bringing their bugs out of the
> closet...
> 
> Don't forget about BUG NITE!
> 
> http://www.qth.com/collegiate/bugnite.htm
> 
> 73 John K7FD, GHD Bug Fists 2420
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stanley" <staniw@abq.com>
> Subject: [Fists] Puzzled
> 
> 
> > have just decided to go back to the basics. I dug out my old Blue Racer
> > Bug again (from 1950) and am using nothing else. I have
> > put my paddle away and believe it or not, I am having more fun than the
> > proverbial "Barrel of Monkies".
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Fists mailing list
> Fists@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/fists
> 
> 
> 

From n0aaa@n0rxd.ampr.org  Sat Oct  4 04:37:42 2003
From: n0aaa@n0rxd.ampr.org (Jan)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 03 22:37:42 -0500
Subject: [Fists] More Code International
Message-ID: <1421@n0rxd.ampr.org>

Proposed name for a worthy organization (I was just reading the ARRL Letter).
73 Jan N0AAA #4373



From kb0rqn@qsl.net  Sat Oct  4 23:18:13 2003
From: kb0rqn@qsl.net (Cheryl W. Ring)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:18:13 -0400
Subject: [Fists] SOS - HAL Prinsendam 4 October 1980
Message-ID: <LAW14-OE12ZpLdnoHW80000146b@hotmail.com>

Here is a message my husband wanted to send to FISTS.

73 - Cheryl, KB0RQN

BT

Twenty-three years ago in the Gulf of Alaska, the Prinsendam - Holland
America Line's "just the right size" passenger liner had a fatal fire and
the crew and passengers abandoned ship.

On the morning of the 5th of October, we had a sun rise - the likes of which
I've never seen since - wispy angelic puffy white clouds that almost defy
description.  I thought I was alone in this description until I spoke to the
3rd mate of the Prinsendam recently - he told me the story about the sun
rise - and from his view point there was one element that was invisible to
me.  Right along side the rising sun, was the VLCC tanker, "Williamsburgh" -
1300 feet LOA, 225 dwt of ship - answering their SOS - and only seen with
the new rays of the new day.

But there is more to the story that hasn't been told:

I have just received word that Chief Radio Officer, Jack van der Zee, of
Beek, Netherlands had died in 2001.

Since he is dead, I can now reveal "the rest of the story" about his SOS
from Holland-American Line "PRINSENDAM/PJTA" in 1980.

Capt. Vabaker refused to send an SOS - despite the CH/ENGR confirming that
he had no more CO2 gas to smother the fire in the ER.  Fire was quickly
spreading.  It was spreading through the main dining room - which of course
was on the upper decks.

This was insanity in CRO van der Zee's mind.

First he went to the SATPHONE, and dialed in the preceedance XXX on the
terminal and waited.  The operator in Washington (COMSAT) asked the ship's
location, and connected him to a Medical Hospital in Kodiak, Alaska.

COMSAT had "forgotten" that an XXX is any URGENT transmission on a ship -
not just a medical condition.

Frustrated by this, he went on 500 kHz and called XXX and was promptly
answered by USCG COMSTA Kodiak, AK who advised him that if his ship was
burning, he should send out an SOS with the autoalarm.

This Jack did.  Knowing that technically he was violating Radio Laws by
initiating on his own an SOS, he sent it.

As I have documented (elsewhere) over 350 ships answered this SOS - and it
was monitored by all the Alaskan Coast stations, all the Canadian Coast
Stations, and by KLB, Seattle, KFS San Francisco, and by KPH San Francisco.

Within minutes, Jack had lost mains power in the Radio Room.  He was on
battery 40 watt A2 (mcw) transmitter and battery receiver.  I asked him if I
could take over control of the SOS, he said yes, and I sent out an DDD SOS
DDD on 500 kHz preceeded by the autoalarm.

I called MAYDAY RELAY on 2182 kHz for Jack because he didn't have a two-tone
alarm - the ship had been exempted.  So had my ship.  NOJ answered me on
2182 - as did the GREATLAND/WFDP who had heard me RQ PJTA UP 2182 USB on 500
kHz.  I asked NOJ to send out a MAYDAY RELAY on 2182 kHz - only a small
fishing boat answered the distress - no one else.

Frantic calls from the Bridge VHF of the PRINSENDAM got no answers.

As the hours progressed, the ships headed towards the postition of the
ship - Coast Guard cutters were in communications with us on 500 kHz - and
they passed thousands of words of messages that originally came over their
radioteletype printers to us - VIA CW. I am indebted for the fine Radiomen
who served on the USCGC cutters that helped us.  They were fine operators -
sending 35 wpm stuff to us because the messages were so long - and using
non-military proceedure (allowing me to break for a fill) which simplified
and expedited traffic handling.  They were on the USCG Boutwell, Mellon, and
Woodrush.

By the next noontime, over 535 people had been plucked from their
lifeboats - and all hands were alive.

Jack had technically broken the law, but doing so, he saved 535 lives.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

About the year 1985, I wrote Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands requesting
that some sort of honor be given to Jack.  (I didn't know the "rest of the
story" then.  I got a shuffle.

Then in the year 2000, I contacted ex- Radio-Holland Radio Dirk "Dick"
Harms, PA2DWH (he has a new callsign, which I forget) and armed with a
transcript of my original SOS log from my ship, WILLIAMSBURGH/WGOA, a signed
copy of my handwritten SOS which was signed by James N. Pfister, CR/O on my
ship, Jack v.d. Zee CR/O of the Prinsendam and myself, a morse code
recording of the SOS as heard at USCG COMMSTA KODIAK/NOJ and a typed letter
from Dirk - a Dutchman - in the Formal Queen's Dutch.

The Queen agreed!  She wrote back!  She agreed to give Jack Dutch
Knighthood.  She sent a letter to the mayor of Beek where Jack lived.

Unfortunately, the mayor vetoed this because (in his words) "this honor is
not to be given for one good event, but for a lifetime of service."

A year later, Jack died.  He was aproximately 74 years of age.

So now you know - the rest of the story.

For more details see my web site - I have the recordings there, as well as
radio logs, and other documents.

Best Regards - 73

David J. Ring, Jr., N1EA
Radio Officer, "Williamsburgh" / WGOA
4-5 October 1980

http://www.qsl.net/n1ea


From dl1dsa@gmx.net  Sat Oct  4 23:29:32 2003
From: dl1dsa@gmx.net (Andy DL1DSA)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 18:29:32 -0400
Subject: [Fists] question
Message-ID: <001501c38ac6$fcc9ff00$df850944@MYMOBILE>

Hi @ll,

I am Andy, DL1DSA currently in /W1. I would like to know if we have any
members here that are from the Boston, MA or Johnston, RI area. I have a
local related question to ask. Please contact me @ dl1dsa@gmx.net or
dl1dsa@dl1dsa.de if you are from this area or know a radio amatuer from
there. Thanks in advance.

Best, Andy
DL1DSA/W1, FISTS 4859
Providence, RI


From jwh_fla@hotmail.com  Sat Oct  4 17:39:35 2003
From: jwh_fla@hotmail.com (John)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 12:39:35 -0400
Subject: [Fists] More Code International
References: <1421@n0rxd.ampr.org>
Message-ID: <Law11-OE520nV0bjSHh0000298a@hotmail.com>

I vote for the obvious: KNOW CODE INTERNATIONAL

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jan" <n0aaa@n0rxd.ampr.org>
To: <fists@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 11:37 PM
Subject: [Fists] More Code International


> Proposed name for a worthy organization (I was just reading the ARRL
Letter).
> 73 Jan N0AAA #4373
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Fists mailing list
> Fists@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/fists
>

From nancy@tir.com  Wed Oct  8 03:01:20 2003
From: nancy@tir.com (Nancy WZ8C)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 22:01:20 -0400
Subject: [Fists] Summer Sprint results
Message-ID: <008301c38d40$123b37c0$eca328d8@h4s6u1>

Congrats to the winners, and thanks to all for participating! See you in the
Fall Sprint next Saturday. Hope the band improves.
These results will be on the webpage and also in the Keynote.

----------------------------------------
QRO Catagory

Call  Name  SPC FISTS# Total

K4IA  Buck  6702 Va 12789
WB0PYF  Ray  7986 Mo 8554
KN9X  Dan  8671 Il 8528
KC0M  Larry  2528 Mo 8257
AD6XI  Josh  9341 Ca 7425
K8IJ  Chas  8096 Ky 4972
WB2FXK  Jack  918 Ny 4494
WB7RHT  Bruce  8618 Ca 4320
K7CS  Don  9164 Va 3825
K8NVR  Ed  3485 Oh 3485
AA8R  Randy  10179 Mi 2805
KO4OL  Glenn  6583 Ky 2506
W1EEP  Cliff  9208 Ma 2055
N1PT  Dave  2560 Nh 1856
KG4CNZ  Robert  8142 Ky 1712
K0LWV  Larry  2589 Mo 1680
W0CGV  John  9366 Co 1586
W3JGG  Justin  9980 Fl 1540
K8VFR  Rosemarie 5602 Mi 1380
KF4AAF  Chris  5480 Fl 1320
WA1ZCB  Edmond  8203 Ma 1260
K4YFH  Jimmy  8707 Nc 1140
W3NGO  Dick  4016 Pa 792
KS0M  Dick  3067 Mo 770
N0IBT  David  3987 Co 750
AE2L  Joshua  1912 Nc 650
VE7NS  Ron  9151 BC 585
WB2WGX/3 Richard  6853 Pa 440
AA3II  Gerald  9746 Pa 420
WB0B  Larry  2916 Ia 350
K8JD  John  3853 Mi 350
W8KYD  Ron  10121 Oh 300
K6QWH  Howard  7570 Az 294
KG4MMY  Greg  8646 Al 245
KA2HDO  Horace  8169 Ny 200
W4DNZ  Phil  4269 Tn 175
N2GT  Sterling 9960 Nj 140
KG9LZ  Tom  5769 Il 80
W4GNS  Gary  9426 Va 24
W3TZW  Roy  3205 Pa 20

----------------------------------------
QRP Catagory

Call  Name  SPC FISTS# Total
WB6HGJ  Guy  9909 Ca 6027
KW3F  Bob  10140 Pa 1265
W5KDJ  Wayne  10060 Tx 1200
WA5ZJK  Glenn  4978 Tx 1105
K0MAX  Maxwell  9134 Mn 770
WB8KQJ  Kenneth  1907 Oh 670
KM5P  Kyle  7097 Nm 600
N2EZY  David  7543 Ny 270
K7RRR  Dick  5448 Az 30

-----------------------------------------
Club Catagory

Call  Name SPC FISTS# Club Name     Total
W4FFF  Furman Nc 9700 FISTS Club of N.C.    5100
K9YA  Mike Il 9500 Robert (Bob) F. Heytow Memorial Radio Club 2240
K4UK  Stan Nc 2934 Franklin County ARC    1500
W8NCK  Chuck Oh 8200 Sandusky Valley ARC    900
W4GAC  John Fl 7875 SPARK, St. Petersburg ARC   585
KN0WCW/9 Tom Il 10000 Fists USA     150




From nancy@tir.com  Wed Oct  8 03:02:37 2003
From: nancy@tir.com (Nancy WZ8C)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 22:02:37 -0400
Subject: [Fists] FISTS Petition has an RM number
Message-ID: <009701c38d40$40081240$eca328d8@h4s6u1>

Hi FISTS,

Our petition has an RM number!!

It is RM-10811.

We have 30 days to post comments about it.

I talked to William Cross, of the FCC, today. He said (in a nutshell) that
since all the petitions are of different viewpoints and have different
points mentioned in them, after all the comment periods are over, he will go
through all the comments and choose the points from all the filed peitions
that most of the people wanted.  He will then bundle them into one petition.

We need to be sure that the FISTS petition is the petition that gets the
most "I AGREE" votes. He said that for this comment period it is NOT
necessary to write lengthy opinions, but just say "I agree with the FISTS
petition" or "I agree with the FISTS petition except for the part about the
12 WPM increase" , etc.

It really is very simple, once you find the page to fill in your comments -
that's the hardest part!  This link should take you right to it.
http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi

The proceeding number has to be exactly RM-10811 with a captial RM and the
hyphen.  That goes in box 1. Put your name in box 3, and your mailing
address in boxse 7,  8, and 9.

Scroll down to the bottom of the page where it says "Send a brief comment to
the FCC (typed in)" and type in your brief comment. Then click Send Comment
and that will take you to a page that verifies that your comment has been
received.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A HAM TO FILE A COMMENT!!  Your spouse, kids (over 18,
I assume) and friends at work, neighbors, ANYONE who wants to help can file
a comment. NUMBERS are very important at this stage. We have 30 days to show
them that CODE MATTERS and We are Proud to Be KNOW CODE Hams!

After 30 days, we have a 15 day rebuttal period, then that's IT.

Mr. Cross told me that the ARRL says that 70% of the hams don't use Morse
code. I don't know where they got that figure from, but it just goes to show
that we need to bombard the ARRL with emails and cards, too.

In the latest KN, there are postcards for you to cut out and mail in to the
FCC and the ARRL. Fill in the RM number on the FCC card before you mail it,
please!   To mail the ARRL postcard, you will have to cut about an inch past
the point the dotted lines end, into the front cover to make it large enough
to mail.

The third postcard, which is blank (my intention was that you send it
directly to your ARRL director) is too small to mail as a postcard. It needs
to be put into an envelope or taped to a 3x5 card. Sorry about thatt!  But,
the important ones are the one to the FCC and the one to ARRL HQ.

If someone you know wants to file a comment to the FCC but doesn't have
internet capability, the postal address is
Federal Communications Commission
445 12th Street, SW
Washington, DC 20554

LET THEM HEAR FROM US!! Start a petition at your local club!! We will not
just sit by quietly and let them dumb us down any further!!

Please file your comments; it's fast, it's easy and it's crucial. .

Thank you,
73 88
Nancy WZ8C
PS: Contact me at nancy@tir.com, DO NOT reply to this address, it is an
automated sending list




From n0uf@kc.rr.com  Wed Oct  8 15:49:23 2003
From: n0uf@kc.rr.com (Bob  N0UF)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:49:23 -0500
Subject: [Fists] FISTS Petition has an RM number
References: <009701c38d40$40081240$eca328d8@h4s6u1>
Message-ID: <019d01c38dab$8ae7d8c0$0200a8c0@n0uf>

Nancy is Right!   It's very easy.

File your comment TODAY!!!!

73
Bob N0UF
FIST # 6769
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nancy WZ8C" <nancy@tir.com>
To: <fists@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:02 PM
Subject: [Fists] FISTS Petition has an RM number


> Hi FISTS,
>
> Our petition has an RM number!!
>
> It is RM-10811.
>
> We have 30 days to post comments about it.
>
> I talked to William Cross, of the FCC, today. He said (in a nutshell)
that
> since all the petitions are of different viewpoints and have different
> points mentioned in them, after all the comment periods are over, he
will go
> through all the comments and choose the points from all the filed
peitions
> that most of the people wanted.  He will then bundle them into one
petition.
>
> We need to be sure that the FISTS petition is the petition that gets
the
> most "I AGREE" votes. He said that for this comment period it is NOT
> necessary to write lengthy opinions, but just say "I agree with the
FISTS
> petition" or "I agree with the FISTS petition except for the part
about the
> 12 WPM increase" , etc.
>
> It really is very simple, once you find the page to fill in your
comments -
> that's the hardest part!  This link should take you right to it.
> http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi
>
> The proceeding number has to be exactly RM-10811 with a captial RM and
the
> hyphen.  That goes in box 1. Put your name in box 3, and your mailing
> address in boxse 7,  8, and 9.
>
> Scroll down to the bottom of the page where it says "Send a brief
comment to
> the FCC (typed in)" and type in your brief comment. Then click Send
Comment
> and that will take you to a page that verifies that your comment has
been
> received.
>
> YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A HAM TO FILE A COMMENT!!  Your spouse, kids
(over 18,
> I assume) and friends at work, neighbors, ANYONE who wants to help can
file
> a comment. NUMBERS are very important at this stage. We have 30 days
to show
> them that CODE MATTERS and We are Proud to Be KNOW CODE Hams!
>
> After 30 days, we have a 15 day rebuttal period, then that's IT.
>
> Mr. Cross told me that the ARRL says that 70% of the hams don't use
Morse
> code. I don't know where they got that figure from, but it just goes
to show
> that we need to bombard the ARRL with emails and cards, too.
>
> In the latest KN, there are postcards for you to cut out and mail in
to the
> FCC and the ARRL. Fill in the RM number on the FCC card before you
mail it,
> please!   To mail the ARRL postcard, you will have to cut about an
inch past
> the point the dotted lines end, into the front cover to make it large
enough
> to mail.
>
> The third postcard, which is blank (my intention was that you send it
> directly to your ARRL director) is too small to mail as a postcard. It
needs
> to be put into an envelope or taped to a 3x5 card. Sorry about thatt!
But,
> the important ones are the one to the FCC and the one to ARRL HQ.
>
> If someone you know wants to file a comment to the FCC but doesn't
have
> internet capability, the postal address is
> Federal Communications Commission
> 445 12th Street, SW
> Washington, DC 20554
>
> LET THEM HEAR FROM US!! Start a petition at your local club!! We will
not
> just sit by quietly and let them dumb us down any further!!
>
> Please file your comments; it's fast, it's easy and it's crucial. .
>
> Thank you,
> 73 88
> Nancy WZ8C
> PS: Contact me at nancy@tir.com, DO NOT reply to this address, it is
an
> automated sending list
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Fists mailing list
> Fists@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/fists


From jeff@ke9v.com  Thu Oct  9 02:06:00 2003
From: jeff@ke9v.com (Jeff Davis)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:06:00 -0500
Subject: [Fists] Off to a good start
Message-ID: <20031009010600.GA2677@ke9v.com>

FISTS,

I just went through the 58 comments posted so far to RM-10811, the FISTS
petition for rulemaking in support of a sensible future for amateur
radio and so far, *all* of the comments have been supportive of the 
petition.

I'm certain that we had a "leg up" by having Nancy's advance notice of
its availability--we'll hear from the naysayers soon enough, so keep tham
comments rolling in.

By the way, Nancy's suggestion that the comments need only be short this
time around is excellent. The many brief, supportive comments will be much
easier for the FCC to tally than having to wade through long, rambling
diatribes.

Haven't commented yet? Go here:

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi

Enter RM-10811 in the PROCEEDING box and then enter your name, address,
etc. in the rest of the form. Then scroll down to the 'Send a Brief
Comment to FCC (typed-in)' box and enter your comments in the space 
provided. As previously suggested, "I fully support the FISTS
petition" eloquently speaks volumes and nothing more need be added.

Your comments will appear within 24 hours.

Make your opinion known and counted...

-- 
Vy 73 de Jeff, Ke9v
FISTS #6641

From K3PID@comcast.net  Wed Oct  8 21:43:25 2003
From: K3PID@comcast.net (K3PID)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 15:43:25 -0500
Subject: [Fists] FISTS Petition has an RM number
References: <009701c38d40$40081240$eca328d8@h4s6u1> <019d01c38dab$8ae7d8c0$0200a8c0@n0uf>
Message-ID: <001c01c38ddc$d2dce7c0$6401a8c0@BIGFOOT>

DITTO! And get 10 others to file also!!!


K3PID
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Bob N0UF=20
  To: fists@mailman.qth.net=20
  Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 9:49 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fists] FISTS Petition has an RM number


  Nancy is Right!   It's very easy.

  File your comment TODAY!!!!

  73
  Bob N0UF
  FIST # 6769
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: "Nancy WZ8C" <nancy@tir.com>
  To: <fists@mailman.qth.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:02 PM
  Subject: [Fists] FISTS Petition has an RM number


  > Hi FISTS,
  >
  > Our petition has an RM number!!
  >
  > It is RM-10811.
  >
  > We have 30 days to post comments about it.
  >
  > I talked to William Cross, of the FCC, today. He said (in a =
nutshell)
  that
  > since all the petitions are of different viewpoints and have =
different
  > points mentioned in them, after all the comment periods are over, he
  will go
  > through all the comments and choose the points from all the filed
  peitions
  > that most of the people wanted.  He will then bundle them into one
  petition.
  >
  > We need to be sure that the FISTS petition is the petition that gets
  the
  > most "I AGREE" votes. He said that for this comment period it is NOT
  > necessary to write lengthy opinions, but just say "I agree with the
  FISTS
  > petition" or "I agree with the FISTS petition except for the part
  about the
  > 12 WPM increase" , etc.
  >
  > It really is very simple, once you find the page to fill in your
  comments -
  > that's the hardest part!  This link should take you right to it.
  > http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi
  >
  > The proceeding number has to be exactly RM-10811 with a captial RM =
and
  the
  > hyphen.  That goes in box 1. Put your name in box 3, and your =
mailing
  > address in boxse 7,  8, and 9.
  >
  > Scroll down to the bottom of the page where it says "Send a brief
  comment to
  > the FCC (typed in)" and type in your brief comment. Then click Send
  Comment
  > and that will take you to a page that verifies that your comment has
  been
  > received.
  >
  > YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A HAM TO FILE A COMMENT!!  Your spouse, kids
  (over 18,
  > I assume) and friends at work, neighbors, ANYONE who wants to help =
can
  file
  > a comment. NUMBERS are very important at this stage. We have 30 days
  to show
  > them that CODE MATTERS and We are Proud to Be KNOW CODE Hams!
  >
  > After 30 days, we have a 15 day rebuttal period, then that's IT.
  >
  > Mr. Cross told me that the ARRL says that 70% of the hams don't use
  Morse
  > code. I don't know where they got that figure from, but it just goes
  to show
  > that we need to bombard the ARRL with emails and cards, too.
  >
  > In the latest KN, there are postcards for you to cut out and mail in
  to the
  > FCC and the ARRL. Fill in the RM number on the FCC card before you
  mail it,
  > please!   To mail the ARRL postcard, you will have to cut about an
  inch past
  > the point the dotted lines end, into the front cover to make it =
large
  enough
  > to mail.
  >
  > The third postcard, which is blank (my intention was that you send =
it
  > directly to your ARRL director) is too small to mail as a postcard. =
It
  needs
  > to be put into an envelope or taped to a 3x5 card. Sorry about =
thatt!
  But,
  > the important ones are the one to the FCC and the one to ARRL HQ.
  >
  > If someone you know wants to file a comment to the FCC but doesn't
  have
  > internet capability, the postal address is
  > Federal Communications Commission
  > 445 12th Street, SW
  > Washington, DC 20554
  >
  > LET THEM HEAR FROM US!! Start a petition at your local club!! We =
will
  not
  > just sit by quietly and let them dumb us down any further!!
  >
  > Please file your comments; it's fast, it's easy and it's crucial. .
  >
  > Thank you,
  > 73 88
  > Nancy WZ8C
  > PS: Contact me at nancy@tir.com, DO NOT reply to this address, it is
  an
  > automated sending list
  >
  >
  >
  > _______________________________________________
  > Fists mailing list
  > Fists@mailman.qth.net
  > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/fists

  _______________________________________________
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From n3drk@triad.rr.com  Thu Oct  9 03:58:36 2003
From: n3drk@triad.rr.com (n3drk)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:58:36 -0400
Subject: [Fists] Another FCC round boys on cw
Message-ID: <043201c38e11$3c219d50$6400a8c0@n3drk>

This is is on the ARRL Website,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 FCC Invites Comments on Additional Morse Code-Related Petitions (Oct 8,
2003) -- The FCC has sounded the bell to begin Round 2 of the Morse code
issue by inviting public comment on another group of seven Morse-related
petitions for rulemaking. The FCC put the petitions on public notice today.
Comments will be due by November 7. As they did with the initial seven
Morse-related petitions, members of the amateur community may make their
opinions known on any or all of these filings using the FCC's Electronic
Comment Filing System (ECFS).


You can respond to each of these seven notices by going  to this FCC Website
and putting the Proceding number in the area at the top. Remember to put RM
in capital letters. We ALL must continue to fight these no code guys. This
is the second time with 6 weeks they have done this. So let us all respond.
All the proceeding numbers can be found on the ARRL website.
To file go to:

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi

All the best.

john-n3drk



From jeff@ke9v.com  Thu Oct  9 17:38:37 2003
From: jeff@ke9v.com (Jeff Davis)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:38:37 -0500
Subject: [Fists] More on Comments
Message-ID: <002f01c38e83$cb532670$5bd11d43@81PGN11DELL>

I was just looking through the (now 139) comments to the FISTS petition for
rulemaking (RM-10811) to see how the comments are going today.

I'm happy to report that, so far, the overwhelming majority of comments
support the petition.

I read with interest the final results of the comments on the NCVEC petition
and it was reported that there were X number of comments for the petition
and Y number against it with a small percentage of the comments
"undecipherable"....I wondered how that could happen but looking through
some of the comments today I noticed a few comments like this:

"I like Morse Code"

I'm not sure that comment is of much value to someone trying to tally the
number "for" or "against" the FISTS petition as one could certainly be
against the petition but still "like" Morse code, etc. My *guess* is that
type of comment will be tossed in the "undecipherable pile".

Be sure your opinion of this specific petition (mentioning any other
petition in these comments is worthless) is specific enough to count.

-- 
73 de Jeff, Ke9v
FISTS #6641



From Fred Adsit" <ny2v@earthlink.net  Thu Oct  9 18:07:37 2003
From: Fred Adsit" <ny2v@earthlink.net (Fred Adsit)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:07:37 -0400
Subject: [Fists] More on Comments
References: <002f01c38e83$cb532670$5bd11d43@81PGN11DELL>
Message-ID: <004c01c38e87$dcc25bc0$19a8ba3f@toshibauser>

It would be best to say "I support FISTS petition RM-10811", or the same =
with any exception you might wish to mention, i.e. "I SUPPORT FISTS =
petition RM-10811 except for the addition of a 12wpm test for Extra =
class". Not my opinion, just an example of how to word any differences =
you might personally have. Keep it simple, start right out with "I =
SUPPORT" That gets immediate attention. The comments continue to climb, =
but slowly. The word is out. Go for it. When Bill Cross and staff get it =
all piled up, we shall see what happens. That will take a while, but for =
now, promptly spread the word and get a response on the record, and =
encourage your Morse friends to do likewise, the shorter and clearer and =
sooner, the better.=20

NY2V FISTS 1293
ex-W2ZOJ=20
ZUT ARC W2ZOJ FISTS 7900 - I did not file with this one :-) The members =
do that.

p.s. If anyone cannot use their own computer to do this, they will be =
getting a card to mail in the next Keynote. Also, they can use any other =
computer to do the filing. Hand them a copy of Nancy's "how to" message, =
and they will do just fine.=20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Jeff Davis=20
  To: fists@mailman.qth.net=20
  Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 12:38 PM
  Subject: [Fists] More on Comments


  I was just looking through the (now 139) comments to the FISTS =
petition for
  rulemaking (RM-10811) to see how the comments are going today.

  I'm happy to report that, so far, the overwhelming majority of =
comments
  support the petition.

  I read with interest the final results of the comments on the NCVEC =
petition
  and it was reported that there were X number of comments for the =
petition
  and Y number against it with a small percentage of the comments
  "undecipherable"....I wondered how that could happen but looking =
through
  some of the comments today I noticed a few comments like this:

  "I like Morse Code"

  I'm not sure that comment is of much value to someone trying to tally =
the
  number "for" or "against" the FISTS petition as one could certainly be
  against the petition but still "like" Morse code, etc. My *guess* is =
that
  type of comment will be tossed in the "undecipherable pile".

  Be sure your opinion of this specific petition (mentioning any other
  petition in these comments is worthless) is specific enough to count.

  --=20
  73 de Jeff, Ke9v
  FISTS #6641


  _______________________________________________
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From jeff@ke9v.com  Sat Oct 11 00:10:43 2003
From: jeff@ke9v.com (Jeff Davis)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:10:43 -0500
Subject: [Fists] Status of Comments
Message-ID: <001301c38f83$bbb07fa0$9a00a8c0@81PGN11DELL>

I went through each of the filed comments to the FISTS petition this
evening. The posted results include 241 comments plus the petition itself.

My own translation of that data looks like this:

204 commenters support the petition
20   oppose the petition
17   undecipherable

-- 
73 de Jeff, Ke9v
FISTS #6641


From kg9lz@juno.com  Sat Oct 11 15:48:58 2003
From: kg9lz@juno.com (Thomas G Dolph)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 07:48:58 PDT
Subject: [Fists] FISTS Petition has an RM number
References: <009701c38d40$40081240$eca328d8@h4s6u1>
Message-ID: <20031011.094045.4535.0.KG9LZ@juno.com>

Yep. I filed mine too.  I said I agree with every word of RM-10811.

There is a link to the FCC on the Fists Web Page, under
Fists Code Crusade.

vy 73,
Tom Dolph  KG9LZ
Fists CW Club nr 5769
"When You've Worked A FISTS, You've Worked A Friend"

On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:49:23 -0500 "Bob  N0UF" <n0uf@kc.rr.com> writes:
>Nancy is Right!   It's very easy.
>
>File your comment TODAY!!!!
>
>73
>Bob N0UF
>FIST # 6769
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Nancy WZ8C" <nancy@tir.com>
>To: <fists@mailman.qth.net>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:02 PM
>Subject: [Fists] FISTS Petition has an RM number
>
>
>> Hi FISTS,
>>
>> Our petition has an RM number!!
>>
>> It is RM-10811.
>>
>> We have 30 days to post comments about it.
>>
>> I talked to William Cross, of the FCC, today. He said (in a 
>nutshell)
>that
>> since all the petitions are of different viewpoints and have 
>different
>> points mentioned in them, after all the comment periods are over, he
>will go
>> through all the comments and choose the points from all the filed
>peitions
>> that most of the people wanted.  He will then bundle them into one
>petition.
>>
>> We need to be sure that the FISTS petition is the petition that gets
>the
>> most "I AGREE" votes. He said that for this comment period it is NOT
>> necessary to write lengthy opinions, but just say "I agree with the
>FISTS
>> petition" or "I agree with the FISTS petition except for the part
>about the
>> 12 WPM increase" , etc.
>>
>> It really is very simple, once you find the page to fill in your
>comments -
>> that's the hardest part!  This link should take you right to it.
>> http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi
>>
>> The proceeding number has to be exactly RM-10811 with a captial RM 
>and
>the
>> hyphen.  That goes in box 1. Put your name in box 3, and your 
>mailing
>> address in boxse 7,  8, and 9.
>>
>> Scroll down to the bottom of the page where it says "Send a brief
>comment to
>> the FCC (typed in)" and type in your brief comment. Then click Send
>Comment
>> and that will take you to a page that verifies that your comment has
>been
>> received.
>>
>> YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A HAM TO FILE A COMMENT!!  Your spouse, kids
>(over 18,
>> I assume) and friends at work, neighbors, ANYONE who wants to help 
>can
>file
>> a comment. NUMBERS are very important at this stage. We have 30 days
>to show
>> them that CODE MATTERS and We are Proud to Be KNOW CODE Hams!
>>
>> After 30 days, we have a 15 day rebuttal period, then that's IT.
>>
>> Mr. Cross told me that the ARRL says that 70% of the hams don't use
>Morse
>> code. I don't know where they got that figure from, but it just goes
>to show
>> that we need to bombard the ARRL with emails and cards, too.
>>
>> In the latest KN, there are postcards for you to cut out and mail in
>to the
>> FCC and the ARRL. Fill in the RM number on the FCC card before you
>mail it,
>> please!   To mail the ARRL postcard, you will have to cut about an
>inch past
>> the point the dotted lines end, into the front cover to make it 
>large
>enough
>> to mail.
>>
>> The third postcard, which is blank (my intention was that you send 
>it
>> directly to your ARRL director) is too small to mail as a postcard. 
>It
>needs
>> to be put into an envelope or taped to a 3x5 card. Sorry about 
>thatt!
>But,
>> the important ones are the one to the FCC and the one to ARRL HQ.
>>
>> If someone you know wants to file a comment to the FCC but doesn't
>have
>> internet capability, the postal address is
>> Federal Communications Commission
>> 445 12th Street, SW
>> Washington, DC 20554
>>
>> LET THEM HEAR FROM US!! Start a petition at your local club!! We 
>will
>not
>> just sit by quietly and let them dumb us down any further!!
>>
>> Please file your comments; it's fast, it's easy and it's crucial. .
>>
>> Thank you,
>> 73 88
>> Nancy WZ8C
>> PS: Contact me at nancy@tir.com, DO NOT reply to this address, it is
>an
>> automated sending list
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Fists mailing list
>> Fists@mailman.qth.net
>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/fists
>
>_______________________________________________
>Fists mailing list
>Fists@mailman.qth.net
>http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/fists
>


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From nancy@tir.com  Sun Oct 12 00:53:02 2003
From: nancy@tir.com (Nancy WZ8C)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 19:53:02 -0400
Subject: [Fists] Logging programs?
Message-ID: <001f01c39052$cf99ff80$f6a328d8@h4s6u1>

Hi,

Hope you enjoyed the sprints. I spent most of my time on 15 meters, which
was pretty good. Managed to work KN0WCW/9 on 40, too. Mike - I didn't run
into Maia, guess he wasn't working the Sprint, hi hi.

I got this question in the mail and would like to put it and the answers in
the KN, so suggestions would be welcome.

Thanks,
Nancy

Question: I want to start computer logging. I have no experience with
logging prgrams ,therefore I do not know the proper questions to ask except
one: Can you tell me which programs are useful for Fists logging ?



From justin_grenier@yahoo.co.uk  Sun Oct 12 02:43:38 2003
From: justin_grenier@yahoo.co.uk (Justin Grenier)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:43:38 -0700
Subject: [Fists] Logging programs
Message-ID: <015a01c39062$4355ff50$9865fea9@hewlett63wy6j1>



> For general logging purposes, I use N3FJP's Amateur Contact Log
v2.4...This
> author has also written several contesting programs, including one
designed
> to log contacts during a FISTS sprint.  The program automatically writes
> your Cabrillo file as well.
>
> 73
> Justin Grenier, W3JGG 9980/1461
>



From nf6q@sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct 12 04:28:34 2003
From: nf6q@sbcglobal.net (Fernando Quinones)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 20:28:34 -0700
Subject: [Fists] Century.pdf
Message-ID: <3F88CA62.8080205@sbcglobal.net>

Hello everyone.

When I click on the above file the adobe reader comes up empty.
I don't have this problem on other sites.

Anyone experience this, or is this my fluke??

tnx.

-- 

73's Fernando NF6Q/NNNØJYM
San Jose,CA. 95123
Elecraft K2 #233Ø;KBT2;KAT2
CCA #Ø1187 FISTS #8649 FP #622 
<http://pages.sbcglobal.net/nf6q>




From f5pbl@dx.to  Sun Oct 12 10:05:39 2003
From: f5pbl@dx.to (CT)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:05:39 +0200
Subject: [Fists] Logging Soft
Message-ID: <1065949539.3f8919632c4b9@imp1-l.free.fr>

Hi all,

As for logging soft, I am using Lux-Log for years. It is absolutely free, vy 
well-supported (ML on mailman.qth.net) and has a contest module, including FISTS 
sprint.

Web site : http://www.qsl.net/lx1no/llog_win.html
or via http://www.qsl.net/lx1no at the "Software" page if you want to visit 
whole site ;)

Enjoy !

72/73!
Claude, F5PBL

Vi Minore, Plus Gaudium

http://www.qsl.net/f5pbl

DIG #4451 - FISTS #7722 - 10-X #71724

From kg9lz@juno.com  Sun Oct 12 11:32:29 2003
From: kg9lz@juno.com (Thomas G Dolph)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 03:32:29 PDT
Subject: [Fists] Fall Sprint 2003
Message-ID: <20031012.052350.4535.0.KG9LZ@juno.com>

The Fall Sprint had pretty good conditions.
I'll bet there will be some high scores.

vy 73,
Tom Dolph  KG9LZ
Fists CW Club nr 5769
"When You've Worked A FISTS, You've Worked A Friend"


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From nf6q@sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct 12 17:34:52 2003
From: nf6q@sbcglobal.net (Fernando Quinones)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 09:34:52 -0700
Subject: [Fists] Century.pdf (Century Award Log Sheet)
Message-ID: <3F8982AC.1040204@sbcglobal.net>

Sorry for not being clear. I was referring to the pdf file (Century 
Award Log Sheet) on the FISTS  page
(<http://www.fists.org/awards.html>)
that supposedly help in keeping track of fists number/points for CC.
Tried this morning a still comes up blank.

No biggy, just wanted to see what it looked like.

73

-- 

73's Fernando NF6Q/NNNØJYM
San Jose,CA. 95123
Elecraft K2 #233Ø;KBT2;KAT2
CCA #Ø1187 FISTS #8649 FP #622 
<http://pages.sbcglobal.net/nf6q>




From nf6q@sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct 13 02:02:43 2003
From: nf6q@sbcglobal.net (Fernando Quinones)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:02:43 -0700
Subject: [Fists] Century.pdf
Message-ID: <3F89F9B3.1010201@sbcglobal.net>

Thanks to all who replied. Much appreciated. I got one attached.
I do have Adobe Reader Version 6.

Anyway, adding data to the form. The Sprint was lots a fun. No
high score but fun nevertheless.

73

-- 

73's Fernando NF6Q/NNNØJYM
San Jose,CA. 95123
Elecraft K2 #233Ø;KBT2;KAT2
CCA #Ø1187 FISTS #8649 FP #622 
<http://pages.sbcglobal.net/nf6q>




From n8ie@woh.rr.com  Sun Oct 12 00:51:42 2003
From: n8ie@woh.rr.com (Emmersom Bigguns)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 19:51:42 -0400
Subject: [Fists] Logging programs?
References: <001f01c39052$cf99ff80$f6a328d8@h4s6u1>
Message-ID: <003e01c39052$9f85a600$0300a8c0@home5vtkw1ykj9>

Nancy and all,
The best IMHO is Scott's, N3FJP:
http://www.n3fjp.com/index.html


Easy to use and his software is very inexpensive.

73
Dan, N8IE

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nancy WZ8C" <nancy@tir.com>
To: <fists@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 7:53 PM
Subject: [Fists] Logging programs?


> Hi,
>
> Hope you enjoyed the sprints. I spent most of my time on 15 meters, which
> was pretty good. Managed to work KN0WCW/9 on 40, too. Mike - I didn't run
> into Maia, guess he wasn't working the Sprint, hi hi.
>
> I got this question in the mail and would like to put it and the answers
in
> the KN, so suggestions would be welcome.
>
> Thanks,
> Nancy
>
> Question: I want to start computer logging. I have no experience with
> logging prgrams ,therefore I do not know the proper questions to ask
except
> one: Can you tell me which programs are useful for Fists logging ?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Fists mailing list
> Fists@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/fists


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From GRogers2@aol.com  Sun Oct 12 01:29:11 2003
From: GRogers2@aol.com (GRogers2@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 20:29:11 EDT
Subject: [Fists] Logging programs?
Message-ID: <10c.2a8ff037.2cb9fa57@aol.com>

For cost and simplicity you can beat ACLog by N3JFP software. WWW.N3JFP.com.  
He supports all of the contests with special logging programs also, including 
FISTS.
He completely supports all of his programs.  If you have a problem you can 
e-mail him and he will reply very quickly.  Give it a try, you will like it.
73
Glenn Rogers
WA5ZJK
Fists # 4978


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From ockmrzr@quix.net  Sun Oct 12 05:21:27 2003
From: ockmrzr@quix.net (Bruce (WB7RHT) & Gaby (KG6CXL))
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 21:21:27 -0700
Subject: [Fists] Logging programs?
References: <001f01c39052$cf99ff80$f6a328d8@h4s6u1>
Message-ID: <000e01c39078$4ebadc10$92154dd1@53vr401>

Nancy,

I have been using N3FJP's logging program for about a year now and am very
pleased with the performance.  The AC Log is able to keep track of many
different awards, modes, and other info of your choosing.  He also writes
contest logging programs that are fully transferable to your main log.  I
have used his FISTS Sprint log for the last year and have submitted them via
e-mail when complete.  All his programs are able to save in ADIF format
which is needed to upload to LoTW.  I have done this, and it is very easy.

All his logging programs have a CW module, which allows you to do either
keyboard CW or set up macros ("F" keys) for use during contests.  I also
can't say enough about the support I have received, recently had a glitch
when upgrading the software and was very worried that I would lose all the
data.  Via e-mail I explained to him my situation, a few e-mails later he
found the fix and provided me with a .exe file that fixed the problem.

Go check out his web site http://www.n3fjp.com/

73 de Bruce WB7RHT 8618

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nancy WZ8C" <nancy@tir.com>
To: <fists@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 16:53
Subject: [Fists] Logging programs?


> Hi,
>
> Hope you enjoyed the sprints. I spent most of my time on 15 meters, which
> was pretty good. Managed to work KN0WCW/9 on 40, too. Mike - I didn't run
> into Maia, guess he wasn't working the Sprint, hi hi.
>
> I got this question in the mail and would like to put it and the answers
in
> the KN, so suggestions would be welcome.
>
> Thanks,
> Nancy
>
> Question: I want to start computer logging. I have no experience with
> logging prgrams ,therefore I do not know the proper questions to ask
except
> one: Can you tell me which programs are useful for Fists logging ?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Fists mailing list
> Fists@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/fists
>
>



From kb6nu@w8pgw.org  Mon Oct 13 04:03:51 2003
From: kb6nu@w8pgw.org (Dan KB6NU)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 23:03:51 -0400
Subject: [Fists] Logging programs?
References: <001f01c39052$cf99ff80$f6a328d8@h4s6u1> <000e01c39078$4ebadc10$92154dd1@53vr401>
Message-ID: <009401c39136$a2045400$6501a8c0@D9J77B01>

I have been using XMLog (http://www.xmlog.com) for the last couple of
months. It performs all the basic logging functions well, but there are a
few things I don't like about it:

1. There's no way to record the end of a QSO, so you can't tell how long a
QSO lasted.
2. I haven't quite figured out how to search for a particular QSO. The
procedure seems kind of convoluted to me.

You can't beat the price, though. It's free!

73!

Dan KB6NU
=============================================
Treasurer, ARROW Comm. Assn. (www.w8pgw.org)
HF CW op (FISTS #9342)
Ham radio bookseller (www.QTB.Com/hamradio/)
Read my ham radio blog at www.blurty.com/~kb6nu .

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce (WB7RHT) & Gaby (KG6CXL)" <ockmrzr@quix.net>
To: "Nancy WZ8C" <nancy@tir.com>
Cc: "FISTS" <fists@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Fists] Logging programs?


> Nancy,
>
> I have been using N3FJP's logging program for about a year now and am very
> pleased with the performance.  The AC Log is able to keep track of many
> different awards, modes, and other info of your choosing.  He also writes
> contest logging programs that are fully transferable to your main log.  I
> have used his FISTS Sprint log for the last year and have submitted them
via
> e-mail when complete.  All his programs are able to save in ADIF format
> which is needed to upload to LoTW.  I have done this, and it is very easy.
>
> All his logging programs have a CW module, which allows you to do either
> keyboard CW or set up macros ("F" keys) for use during contests.  I also
> can't say enough about the support I have received, recently had a glitch
> when upgrading the software and was very worried that I would lose all the
> data.  Via e-mail I explained to him my situation, a few e-mails later he
> found the fix and provided me with a .exe file that fixed the problem.
>
> Go check out his web site http://www.n3fjp.com/
>
> 73 de Bruce WB7RHT 8618
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nancy WZ8C" <nancy@tir.com>
> To: <fists@mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 16:53
> Subject: [Fists] Logging programs?
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Hope you enjoyed the sprints. I spent most of my time on 15 meters,
which
> > was pretty good. Managed to work KN0WCW/9 on 40, too. Mike - I didn't
run
> > into Maia, guess he wasn't working the Sprint, hi hi.
> >
> > I got this question in the mail and would like to put it and the answers
> in
> > the KN, so suggestions would be welcome.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Nancy
> >
> > Question: I want to start computer logging. I have no experience with
> > logging prgrams ,therefore I do not know the proper questions to ask
> except
> > one: Can you tell me which programs are useful for Fists logging ?
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Fists mailing list
> > Fists@mailman.qth.net
> > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/fists
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Fists mailing list
> Fists@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/fists
>
>



From nf6q@sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct 13 06:44:42 2003
From: nf6q@sbcglobal.net (Fernando Quinones)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:44:42 -0700
Subject: [Fists] Logging programs?
In-Reply-To: <003e01c39052$9f85a600$0300a8c0@home5vtkw1ykj9>
References: <001f01c39052$cf99ff80$f6a328d8@h4s6u1> <003e01c39052$9f85a600$0300a8c0@home5vtkw1ykj9>
Message-ID: <3F8A3BCA.50209@sbcglobal.net>

Hello all.

The FISTS 1.1 will export the file in either adif or AC23 format.
However, importing this into AC23 Log, I 've was not able to get the  
FISTS  Number columns
to show up. Frankly, it does not show up as any field in the adif file.
How have the other users of FISTS1.1 and AC23 overcome this ??

Curiously, I do cut from FISTS1.1 and paste into AC23.

tnx. for your attention

73


-- 

73's Fernando NF6Q/NNNØJYM
San Jose,CA. 95123
Elecraft K2 #233Ø;KBT2;KAT2
CCA #Ø1187 FISTS #8649 FP #622 
<http://pages.sbcglobal.net/nf6q>




From kb6nu@w8pgw.org  Mon Oct 13 14:46:26 2003
From: kb6nu@w8pgw.org (Dan KB6NU)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:46:26 -0400
Subject: [Fists] Sprint and Computer Logging
References: <001f01c39052$cf99ff80$f6a328d8@h4s6u1> <003e01c39052$9f85a600$0300a8c0@home5vtkw1ykj9> <3F8A3BCA.50209@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <00ad01c39190$6643bfa0$6501a8c0@D9J77B01>

For the Sprint, can I simply send my electronic log to W8PIG or do I have to
also fill out and mail the entry form? The website is a little unclear on
this procedure.

73!

Dan KB6NU
=============================================
Treasurer, ARROW Comm. Assn. (www.w8pgw.org)
HF CW op (FISTS #9342)
Ham radio bookseller (www.QTB.Com/hamradio/)
Read my ham radio blog at www.blurty.com/~kb6nu .



From n5lf@qsl.net  Mon Oct 13 23:34:13 2003
From: n5lf@qsl.net (Alan W. (QSL))
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:34:13 -0500
Subject: [Fists] FISTS Petition - Comment on RM-10811
Message-ID: <002c01c391da$22c2ddc0$af244bab@w5u8q5>

The FISTS Petition has been given the number RM-10811.  FCC is now =
receiving comments. =20

Note that it the FISTS petition NOT just about CW - it is very =
comprehensive and proposes better support for digital modes, upgraded =
technical skills, and better testing procedures.  This is the Ham Radio =
the restructuring SHOULD have given us! =20

Please give the FCC your comments before Nov 1.  Links to the Petition =
and the FCC's on-line comment form is found on my web page:  =
http://www.qsl.net/n5lf , or go directly to the FCC on-line form:

RM-10811 is the "Proceeding"
http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi

Just fill out the top part and add your comments at the bottom of the =
screen.  It's VERY easy.

We have limited time to comment - all of your comments are worthwhile.  =
PLEASE!

73 ES dit dit Y-All
Alan W. N5LF


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From ng7z@arrl.net  Tue Oct 14 02:17:34 2003
From: ng7z@arrl.net (Paul Beringer)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:17:34 -0700
Subject: [Fists] Score reporting for the fists sprint
Message-ID: <OKEEKIBJJOAMBPELHNDBOEEJCFAA.ng7z@arrl.net>

Please post your scores on the 3830 reflector at
http://www.hornucopia.com/3830score/ . Scroll down to Fists Sprint, click
and fill out the form. Then subscribe to the CQ contest reflector
http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest and you'll get
contest info and claimed scores for a number of different contests. Bookmark
www.contesting.com for a great site on contest info, articles, tips and
more.

The usual disclaimers apply. I have no fiduciary interest in the site.

Paul NG7Z 5368
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From justin_grenier@yahoo.co.uk  Sun Oct 19 06:17:36 2003
From: justin_grenier@yahoo.co.uk (Justin Grenier)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 22:17:36 -0700
Subject: [Fists] Station setup
Message-ID: <001201c39600$4ffc3140$9865fea9@hewlett63wy6j1>

Greetings,=20

This message may not exactly be typical reflector business, but I am =
running out of moves.=20

My wife and I have just moved to a suburb of Portland, OR from Palm =
Beach, FL.  I have set up my hamshack here in the new house...Much time =
has been spent erecting and placing my antennae, which include an R5 =
vertical, and a g5rv dipole.  This setup is not much different than how =
I had things in FL; I was able to put a ground rod right outside my =
shack window, and the conductor to it is about 4' long.  On all bands, =
my noise level with both antennae is anywhere between S8 and 30-50dB =
over S9.  It is impossible for me to operate with 100w, let alone 1w, =
and very frustrating as I am losing a bit of cw proficiency.  There is =
no BPL test area around as far as I know.  We have 3 PCs on a router =
here in the house, 1 of them implements the 802.11b wireless thing...I =
have tried unplugging and shutting down all of it with absolutely no =
change in my rx noise level.  Any suggestions as to where I might =
continue looking would be sincerely appreciated.

73,
::::::

Justin Grenier, W3JGG
FISTS 9980, CC1461
QRPp-I 754  FP-QRP 668
Elecraft K1 0196

CW *is* ham radio

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From kb0rqn@qsl.net  Mon Oct 20 05:44:35 2003
From: kb0rqn@qsl.net (Cheryl W. Ring)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:44:35 -0400
Subject: [Fists] Station setup
References: <001201c39600$4ffc3140$9865fea9@hewlett63wy6j1>
Message-ID: <Law14-OE68HIOAUGJDc00002f3d@hotmail.com>

A very simple, but surprisingly effective method of tracking down radio
broadband noise is to use a portable AM/FM receiver.  The larger sets are
the ones to use if you have one.  (Something on the order of about the size
that used to use six D cell batteries works best - about 8 by 6 inches or
larger).

Using the battery power, turn the radio to the AM broadcast band.  Find a
spot on the dial on or near 850 kHz - this is where broadband noise often
peaks up.

By rotating the radio, you can direction find the direction of the noise.
Walk towards the noise - this may take a while to get the feel of this.
Keep on walking - staying out of neighbor's yards, and out of dangerous
places, of course!

When the noise is SO strong you cannot null it out by rotating the AM
receiver, switch the receiver to FM.  Find a spot where there is no signal
on the band (anywhere on the band is ok for this proceedure).  Extend the
whip antenna, and walk towards the noise.  When the signal gets so strong
that you cannot pin point the source, reduce the amount of whip exposed.
Finally when you have the whip down all the way, go close to suspected
objects with the tip of the antenna - don't touch metal - or things that
carry electricity!

You will find your source of noise.

Cheryl and David Ring
KB0RQN -- N1EA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Justin Grenier" <justin_grenier@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>; "FISTS Reflector"
<fists@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 1:17 AM
Subject: [Fists] Station setup


Greetings,

This message may not exactly be typical reflector business, but I am running
out of moves.

My wife and I have just moved to a suburb of Portland, OR from Palm Beach,
FL.  I have set up my hamshack here in the new house...Much time has been
spent erecting and placing my antennae, which include an R5 vertical, and a
g5rv dipole.  This setup is not much different than how I had things in FL;
I was able to put a ground rod right outside my shack window, and the
conductor to it is about 4' long.  On all bands, my noise level with both
antennae is anywhere between S8 and 30-50dB over S9.  It is impossible for
me to operate with 100w, let alone 1w, and very frustrating as I am losing a
bit of cw proficiency.  There is no BPL test area around as far as I know.
We have 3 PCs on a router here in the house, 1 of them implements the
802.11b wireless thing...I have tried unplugging and shutting down all of it
with absolutely no change in my rx noise level.  Any suggestions as to where
I might continue looking would be sincerely appreciated.

73,
::::::

Justin Grenier, W3JGG
FISTS 9980, CC1461
QRPp-I 754  FP-QRP 668
Elecraft K1 0196

CW *is* ham radio

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From w1eof@hamnutz.com  Mon Oct 20 05:57:04 2003
From: w1eof@hamnutz.com (W1EOF)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:57:04 -0400
Subject: [Fists] Station setup
In-Reply-To: <001201c39600$4ffc3140$9865fea9@hewlett63wy6j1>
Message-ID: <NCBBJCLPMKDDBBMEAPOHCENHPJAB.w1eof@hamnutz.com>

Justin,

Glad to hear you made the move OK!

Try taking a portable AM broadcast radio around to see if you can't pinpoint
the source.

Another thing you can do is setup a battery operated HF reciever in your
shack. Then go down and kill the main breakers/fuses for your house. This
will remove power from everything in the house. If the noise goes away, it's
in your house or yard. If not, you can start looking at your neighbors
(ugh). At least you will know if it's you or not.

Best of luck tracking it down... got a similiar situation here this Fall
only the noise is intermittent.

73,

Mark W1EOF


> -----Original Message-----
> From: fists-admin@mailman.qth.net [mailto:fists-admin@mailman.qth.net]On
> Behalf Of Justin Grenier
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 1:18 AM
> To: Elecraft Reflector; FISTS Reflector
> Subject: [Fists] Station setup
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> This message may not exactly be typical reflector business, but I
> am running out of moves.
>
> My wife and I have just moved to a suburb of Portland, OR from
> Palm Beach, FL.  I have set up my hamshack here in the new
> house...Much time has been spent erecting and placing my
> antennae, which include an R5 vertical, and a g5rv dipole.  This
> setup is not much different than how I had things in FL; I was
> able to put a ground rod right outside my shack window, and the
> conductor to it is about 4' long.  On all bands, my noise level
> with both antennae is anywhere between S8 and 30-50dB over S9.
> It is impossible for me to operate with 100w, let alone 1w, and
> very frustrating as I am losing a bit of cw proficiency.  There
> is no BPL test area around as far as I know.  We have 3 PCs on a
> router here in the house, 1 of them implements the 802.11b
> wireless thing...I have tried unplugging and shutting down all of
> it with absolutely no change in my rx noise level.  Any
> suggestions as to where I might continue looking would be
> sincerely appreciated.
>
> 73,
> ::::::
>
> Justin Grenier, W3JGG
> FISTS 9980, CC1461
> QRPp-I 754  FP-QRP 668
> Elecraft K1 0196
>
> CW *is* ham radio
>
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From dmetzger@monroe.lib.mi.us  Mon Oct 20 12:42:04 2003
From: dmetzger@monroe.lib.mi.us (Daniel Metzger)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:42:04 -0400
Subject: [Fists] Station noise
In-Reply-To: <001201c39600$4ffc3140$9865fea9@hewlett63wy6j1>
Message-ID: <6D10D8F4-02F2-11D8-B7BB-000A957DAACC@monroe.lib.mi.us>

The usual steps are 1) take a portable AM radio around looking for 
locations where noise is strongest, and 2) go out to your circuit 
breaker panel and shut off the breakers one by one until you find one 
that kills the noise.

Dan K8JWR


From kb0rqn@qsl.net  Wed Oct 22 23:11:18 2003
From: kb0rqn@qsl.net (Cheryl W. Ring)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:11:18 -0400
Subject: [Fists] Cootie Key Sounds
Message-ID: <Law14-OE492f9SqRAM400004214@hotmail.com>

A while ago, someone asked on one of the reflectors for if anyone had a file
that had the sound of a cootie key on it, and since I didn't see any
response, I decided to record one.

If you go to my web page, you will see a big blue link to "cootie
demonstration" file - you will be prompted to either save or play the file.

I always save the file on my desktop, then scan it with Norton Anti-Virus to
be sure!

But fear not, I scanned my file already!  My mp3 recorder didn't slip in
some unsafe hex on me.

The link of my web page is:  http://www.qsl.net/n1ea

You will also see a link for more sound files - enjoy.

73

Cheryl and David Ring
KB0RQN --- N1EA


From casey@tomochka.com  Thu Oct 23 01:55:17 2003
From: casey@tomochka.com (Casey)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:55:17 -0700
Subject: [Fists] Cootie Key Sounds
In-Reply-To: <Law14-OE492f9SqRAM400004214@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <MGEJJPEBGFCDIKFGHPKJIEENCHAA.casey@tomochka.com>

Thanks Cheryl! Lots of great stuff on that page. The recreation of the
Titanic/MGY signal is spoooooky!  73, Casey

-----Original Message-----
From: fists-admin@mailman.qth.net [mailto:fists-admin@mailman.qth.net]On
Behalf Of Cheryl W. Ring
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 3:11 PM
To: fists@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Fists] Cootie Key Sounds


A while ago, someone asked on one of the reflectors for if anyone had a file
that had the sound of a cootie key on it, and since I didn't see any
response, I decided to record one.

If you go to my web page, you will see a big blue link to "cootie
demonstration" file - you will be prompted to either save or play the file.

I always save the file on my desktop, then scan it with Norton Anti-Virus to
be sure!

But fear not, I scanned my file already!  My mp3 recorder didn't slip in
some unsafe hex on me.

The link of my web page is:  http://www.qsl.net/n1ea

You will also see a link for more sound files - enjoy.

73

Cheryl and David Ring
KB0RQN --- N1EA

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From nw7us@hfradio.org  Wed Oct 22 16:45:32 2003
From: nw7us@hfradio.org (Tomas (NW7US))
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:45:32 -0700
Subject: [Fists] URGENT - Contact your representative
Message-ID: <3WA7IEHURC982TMKTQSNHDB0KIYUDC.3f96a61c@sum789>

>From the CQ Newsroom:

NOAA "Space Weather" Service Threatened

The service on which many amateurs depend for reports on ionospheric conditions  
may have its funding sharply cut or eliminated under two versions of a  
Congressional spending plan for Fiscal Year 2004. The Space Environment Center,  
part of the Commerce Department's National Oceanic and Atmospheric  
Administration (NOAA), provides "space weather" reports on solar and geomagnetic  
activity that affect the ionosphere, which in turn affects radio propagation. In  
addition, solar flares and similar events can damage satellites, so advance  
knowledge can help protect them. Propagation predictions in CQ and other  
publications depend on these space weather observations.

The Space Environment Center is actually operated jointly by NOAA and the Air  
Force, but its funding is in the NOAA budget. The SEC suffered a 40% budget cut  
in the current fiscal year, and the House budget proposal for 2004 calls for an  
additional 40% cut. The Senate version of the bill cuts funding for the SEC  
altogether, along with the somewhat cynical comment in an accompanying report  
that "the 'Atmospheric' in NOAA does not extend to the astral. Absolutely no  
funds are provided for solar observation. Such activities are rightly the  
bailiwick of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration and the Air  
Force."

We understand from SEC staff that the House Science Committee's Environment,  
Technology and Standards Subcommittee will be holding a hearing next week  
(October 30) on the funding bill, and that letters and comments from the public  
will be entered into the record. If you are concerned about the possible loss of  
information gathered and disseminated by the SEC, you may write to the House  
Committee On Science, Environment, Technology and Standards Subcommittee, 2320  
Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515. You should direct your  
comments to the Chairman, Rep. Vernon Ehlers (R-MI), ask that they be included  
in the record of the Oct. 30 hearing, and explain in NON-TECHNICAL terms how you  
benefit from the "space weather" services provided by the SEC, and how you would  
be adversely affected if those services were further reduced or eliminated.

A full list of the members of the Environment, Technology and Standards  
Subcommittee is below. If the list includes your Representative, and you are  
inclined to write, you might also send a letter or comment directly to your  
Representative.

House Committee on Science
Subcommittee on Environment, Technology, and Standards

Republican Members
Vernon J. Ehlers, Michigan, Chairman
Nick Smith, Michigan
Gil Gutknecht, Minnesota
Judy Biggert, Illinois
Wayne Gilchrest, Maryland
Timothy Johnson, Illinois
Michael Burgess, Texas

Democratic Members
Mark Udall, Colorado, Ranking Minority Member
Brad Miller, North Carolina
Lincoln Davis, Tennessee
Brian Baird, Washington
Jim Matheson, Utah
Zoe Lofgren, California

Ex-oficio members:
Sherwood L. Boehlert, New York, Chairman, House Science Committee 
Ralph M. Hall, Texas, Ranking Minority Member, House Science Committee

To contact any Member of Congress by e-mail, go to < http://www.house.gov > and 
follow prompts to find contact information for the member you want to reach.

73 de Tomas, NW7US (AAR0JA/AAM0EWA)
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From fistsc2c@yahoo.com  Wed Oct 22 23:43:05 2003
From: fistsc2c@yahoo.com (Paul Beringer)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:43:05 -0700
Subject: [Fists] Coast to Coast awards
Message-ID: <OKEEKIBJJOAMBPELHNDBOEHECFAA.fistsc2c@yahoo.com>

Robin Faulkner has told me that C2C certificates can still be ordered until
the end of the month.
Paul NG7Z
C2C chairman.
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From fistsc2c@yahoo.com  Thu Oct 23 02:34:11 2003
From: fistsc2c@yahoo.com (Paul Beringer)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:34:11 -0700
Subject: [Fists] C2C web site update
Message-ID: <OKEEKIBJJOAMBPELHNDBIEHICFAA.fistsc2c@yahoo.com>

Here's a  link to the Coast to Coast web site with the results posted. Click
on the Results link and enjoy!
73
Paul NG7Z
C2C chairman
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From kb0rqn@qsl.net  Thu Oct 23 06:39:10 2003
From: kb0rqn@qsl.net (Cheryl W. Ring)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:39:10 -0400
Subject: [Fists] Quiz
Message-ID: <Law14-OE557olbNxNFL000044e5@hotmail.com>

What did telegraphers call the two distinctly different finger pieces on a
Vibroplex bug?

The thumb piece was called the ___________.

The finger piece was calleed the ___________.

73

David Ring, N1EA

From gwmoore@moorefelines.com  Thu Oct 23 19:42:16 2003
From: gwmoore@moorefelines.com (Gregory W. Moore)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:42:16 -0400
Subject: [Fists] Quiz
In-Reply-To: <Law14-OE557olbNxNFL000044e5@hotmail.com>
References: <Law14-OE557olbNxNFL000044e5@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3F982108.9070806@moorefelines.com>

OK, the "thumb piece" was the "button" and the "finger piece" was the 
"paddle".

Now, back in the '60s when  my Lightning Bug slid off the table at sea, 
(NO, I wasn't transmitting at the time) and busted the finger piece, I 
removed both, and made up a large paddle out of a piece of discarded 
plexiglas. That makeshift paddle was SO comfortable, I kept it with the 
key all these years, used it happily,  and only removed it (actually 
Vibroplex did, and returned it to me) when I had the bug completely 
restored last year. 
73
GW

Cheryl W. Ring wrote:

>What did telegraphers call the two distinctly different finger pieces on a
>Vibroplex bug?
>
>The thumb piece was called the ___________.
>
>The finger piece was calleed the ___________.
>
>73
>
>David Ring, N1EA
>_______________________________________________
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>Fists@mailman.qth.net
>http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/fists
>
>  
>

-- 
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                                                   --Edmund Burke

Greg Moore NNN0BVN PA
U.S. Navy-Marine Corps Military Affiliate Radio System (MARS)
Official Pennsylvania Area Website:
http://pages.prodigy.net/nnn0fbk/mars.htm
Official Northeast Area Website: 
http://www.navymars.org/northeast/index.htm
Navy-Marine Corps MARS: Proudly Serving Those Who Serve."
E-Mail (MARS) nnn0bvn@navymars.org
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From kb0rqn@qsl.net  Thu Oct 23 23:56:07 2003
From: kb0rqn@qsl.net (Cheryl W. Ring)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:56:07 -0400
Subject: [Fists] Quiz Answer !!!
Message-ID: <LAW14-OE149h0FG3vTp000048e5@hotmail.com>

Two correct answers:  From Greg Moore and Tom French!

The thumb piece was called either a "button" - which is the word that both
of them came up with - or a knob - which I believe is the more common.

The finger piece is called a "paddle" - which is the one I thought no one
would get!

On the Vibroplex the finger piece is like a hand key knob - and like a door
knob, the thumb piece looks just like a little paddle that you could paddle
your canoe with.

73

DR

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

McElroy, who was a telegrapher, referred to the "thumb
paddle" and the "dash button."

Tom


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

OK, the "thumb piece" was the "button" and the "finger piece" was the
"paddle".

Now, back in the '60s when  my Lightning Bug slid off the table at sea,
(NO, I wasn't transmitting at the time) and busted the finger piece, I
removed both, and made up a large paddle out of a piece of discarded
plexiglas. That makeshift paddle was SO comfortable, I kept it with the
key all these years, used it happily,  and only removed it (actually
Vibroplex did, and returned it to me) when I had the bug completely
restored last year.
73
GW



From kb0rqn@qsl.net  Fri Oct 24 02:15:37 2003
From: kb0rqn@qsl.net (Cheryl W. Ring)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:15:37 -0400
Subject: [Fists] Quiz Answer !!!
References: <LAW14-OE149h0FG3vTp000048e5@hotmail.com> <00e201c399c5$195d0740$d3a8ba3f@toshibauser>
Message-ID: <Law14-OE48XC80dFvgS00004ac4@hotmail.com>

CONGRATULATIONS - WE HAVE ANOTHER WINNER.

CONGRATULATIONS TO FRED ADSIT.

Fred, you're absolutely correct.  I got things reversed - but then got them
correct - no wonders everyones is confoozed.

Here's what happened - what I wrote at the beginning was a "cut and paste"
quote from Greg Moore - and he is a lefty!

I used GW's comments - he has them reversed - he being a lefty, and I just
cut and pasted it - and then added my own comments - so you are correct.
The thumb piece is the paddle.  Lots of guys who are Southpaw didn't spend
the extra money to buy a "lefty" bug - and now a days they don't even make
them.

BUT to make it even more confusing - when I type the answer on my own, I get
it right!  I mean correct, I mean I dind't confooze my left paw with my
right mitt.

HERE!!!

On the Vibroplex the finger piece is like a hand key knob - and like a door
knob, the thumb piece looks just like a little paddle that you could paddle
your canoe with.

SEE???   --   I got that part right!

I should have added - the finger piece looks like the button on a pair of
Levi's Blue Jeans!

Thanks Fred!

Your email obviously was enroute (see below) while the answer was being
announced but due to delay in Yahgoo wasn't posted yet, so we will give you
credit.

73

Cheryl and David Ring - KB0RQN and N1EA


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Fred Adsit
  To: Cheryl W. Ring
  Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 8:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fists] Quiz Answer !!!


  AHA. I just got on FISTS which I have been deleting. Excuse me, but the
paddle is on the left and is the thumb piece. The finger is used to make
dits and is on the right and that is the buttton.  Are you telling me that a
Vibroplex is backwards. Read your answer below carefully. It is backwards. I
sent a guess direct and was correct. Why would a button be the paddle and
the paddle be a button. See the red below. By golly my wild guess was
correct, in any event. I didn't send it to FISTS tho. Have been ignoring
FISTS for several days and am baaaackkkk. :-)  Talk about confusion!!

  Fred Adsit NY2V
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Cheryl W. Ring
    To: fists@mailman.qth.net
    Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:56 PM
    Subject: [Fists] Quiz Answer !!!


    Two correct answers:  From Greg Moore and Tom French!

    The thumb piece was called either a "button" - which is the word that
both
    of them came up with - or a knob - which I believe is the more common.

    The finger piece is called a "paddle" - which is the one I thought no
one
    would get!

    On the Vibroplex the finger piece is like a hand key knob - and like a
door
    knob, the thumb piece looks just like a little paddle that you could
paddle
    your canoe with.

    73

    DR

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    McElroy, who was a telegrapher, referred to the "thumb
    paddle" and the "dash button."

    Tom


    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    OK, the "thumb piece" was the "button" and the "finger piece" was the
REALLY???
    "paddle".

    Now, back in the '60s when  my Lightning Bug slid off the table at sea,
    (NO, I wasn't transmitting at the time) and busted the finger piece, I
    removed both, and made up a large paddle out of a piece of discarded
    plexiglas. That makeshift paddle was SO comfortable, I kept it with the
    key all these years, used it happily,  and only removed it (actually
    Vibroplex did, and returned it to me) when I had the bug completely
    restored last year.
    73
    GW


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    Fists mailing list
    Fists@mailman.qth.net
    http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/fists


From Fred Adsit" <ny2v@earthlink.net  Fri Oct 24 02:35:06 2003
From: Fred Adsit" <ny2v@earthlink.net (Fred Adsit)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:35:06 -0400
Subject: [Fists] Quiz Answer !!!
References: <LAW14-OE149h0FG3vTp000048e5@hotmail.com> <00e201c399c5$195d0740$d3a8ba3f@toshibauser> <Law14-OE48XC80dFvgS00004ac4@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <00eb01c399cf$0fbc1410$d3a8ba3f@toshibauser>

Yup, was definitely mulling that lefty business over.. great to have that
ability, a switch-hitter. My dad was 100% ambidextrous but unfortunately I
didn't inherit that and am farsighted and he was nearsighted, but he Was
my Dad.

Now, having won, do three of us get a memento? Nawwww. It was fun figuring
it out. I had that same experience with my SK Navy uncle's Vibroplex - he
made a plastic paddle and it was a delight. I broke the thing - it had
cracks in it from age - and I wound up with a second flat paddle on the
right side. The spacing is a bit closer than the fiber paddles on the Les
Logan I used for so many years, but it still feels better than the knob. I
know this - I doubt I will ever be able to key as well as David does..

I read (Pierpont's well chosen term for head-copying) as high as 60 wpm
when I sit and listen long enough, but never sent over 35-40 wpm, and
prefer in older age to hang around at about 27 wpm from the speed so many
NTS traffic handlers seem to groove into, esp. those who write messages
with a pen instead of using a Mill. And that is another whole subject.
Nothing compares with a Real Mill. Nothing. Lotsa fun.

73 -- Fred NY2V

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Cheryl W. Ring
To: Fred Adsit ; brasspounders@yahoogroups.com
Cc: fists@mailman.qth.net ; cw@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Fists] Quiz Answer !!!


CONGRATULATIONS - WE HAVE ANOTHER WINNER.

CONGRATULATIONS TO FRED ADSIT.

Fred, you're absolutely correct.  I got things reversed - but then got
them
correct - no wonders everyones is confoozed.

Here's what happened - what I wrote at the beginning was a "cut and paste"
quote from Greg Moore - and he is a lefty!

I used GW's comments - he has them reversed - he being a lefty, and I just
cut and pasted it - and then added my own comments - so you are correct.
The thumb piece is the paddle.  Lots of guys who are Southpaw didn't spend
the extra money to buy a "lefty" bug - and now a days they don't even make

them.

BUT to make it even more confusing - when I type the answer on my own, I
get
it right!  I mean correct, I mean I dind't confooze my left paw with my
right mitt.

HERE!!!

On the Vibroplex the finger piece is like a hand key knob - and like a
door
knob, the thumb piece looks just like a little paddle that you could
paddle
your canoe with.

SEE???   --   I got that part right!

I should have added - the finger piece looks like the button on a pair of
Levi's Blue Jeans!

Thanks Fred!

Your email obviously was enroute (see below) while the answer was being
announced but due to delay in Yahgoo wasn't posted yet, so we will give
you
credit.

73

Cheryl and David Ring - KB0RQN and N1EA


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Fred Adsit
  To: Cheryl W. Ring
  Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 8:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fists] Quiz Answer !!!


  AHA. I just got on FISTS which I have been deleting. Excuse me, but the
paddle is on the left and is the thumb piece. The finger is used to make
dits and is on the right and that is the buttton.  Are you telling me that
a
Vibroplex is backwards. Read your answer below carefully. It is backwards.
I
sent a guess direct and was correct. Why would a button be the paddle and
the paddle be a button. See the red below. By golly my wild guess was
correct, in any event. I didn't send it to FISTS tho. Have been ignoring
FISTS for several days and am baaaackkkk. :-)  Talk about confusion!!

  Fred Adsit NY2V
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Cheryl W. Ring
    To: fists@mailman.qth.net
    Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:56 PM
    Subject: [Fists] Quiz Answer !!!


    Two correct answers:  From Greg Moore and Tom French!

    The thumb piece was called either a "button" - which is the word that
both
    of them came up with - or a knob - which I believe is the more common.

    The finger piece is called a "paddle" - which is the one I thought no
one
    would get!

    On the Vibroplex the finger piece is like a hand key knob - and like a
door
    knob, the thumb piece looks just like a little paddle that you could
paddle
    your canoe with.

    73

    DR

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    McElroy, who was a telegrapher, referred to the "thumb
    paddle" and the "dash button."

    Tom


    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    OK, the "thumb piece" was the "button" and the "finger piece" was the
REALLY???
    "paddle".

    Now, back in the '60s when  my Lightning Bug slid off the table at
sea,
    (NO, I wasn't transmitting at the time) and busted the finger piece, I
    removed both, and made up a large paddle out of a piece of discarded
    plexiglas. That makeshift paddle was SO comfortable, I kept it with
the
    key all these years, used it happily,  and only removed it (actually
    Vibroplex did, and returned it to me) when I had the bug completely
    restored last year.
    73
    GW



From fistsc2c@yahoo.com  Fri Oct 24 03:18:43 2003
From: fistsc2c@yahoo.com (Paul Beringer)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:18:43 -0700
Subject: [Fists] Coast to Coast results
Message-ID: <OKEEKIBJJOAMBPELHNDBEEHOCFAA.fistsc2c@yahoo.com>

Here's a  link to the Coast to Coast web site with the results posted. Click
on the Results link and enjoy! Note. this is the second time. I forgot to
paste the link into the message. Duh! Wayne, K9DI pointed it out to me.
Thanks Wayne!
http://tomochka.com/k7fff/fnw_c2c03.html
73
Paul NG7Z
C2C chairman
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From kb0rqn@qsl.net  Sat Oct 25 16:42:37 2003
From: kb0rqn@qsl.net (Cheryl W. Ring)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:42:37 -0400
Subject: [Fists] Quiz Answer !!!
References: <LAW14-OE149h0FG3vTp000048e5@hotmail.com> <00e201c399c5$195d0740$d3a8ba3f@toshibauser> <Law14-OE48XC80dFvgS00004ac4@hotmail.com> <00eb01c399cf$0fbc1410$d3a8ba3f@toshibauser>
Message-ID: <LAW14-OE17a2BiLtjGC00004dc7@hotmail.com>

A while ago David suggested a "Key of the Year" club which produced a key a
year by subscription.  Say everyone sent in $15.00 - they would receive a
beautiful key by the December holidays.  I would love a key for Christmas!

This year (in my imagination only!) we are making the "Fred Adsit Cootie
key" - a genuine 24k gold plated stiff whip hacksaw spring key with a lovely
mini-Oreo cookie for a finger piece" - which comes with accessory leather
sack filled with regular size Oreo cookies with a name tag clipping the bag
closed:  Fred's Cookies - ask first!

There - you now have a Virtual Cootie! (with a Fred Cookie)

CW Ring

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Adsit" <ny2v@earthlink.net>
To: <brasspounders@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: <fists@mailman.qth.net>; <cw@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Fists] Quiz Answer !!!


> Yup, was definitely mulling that lefty business over.. great to have that
> ability, a switch-hitter. My dad was 100% ambidextrous but unfortunately I
> didn't inherit that and am farsighted and he was nearsighted, but he Was
> my Dad.
>
> Now, having won, do three of us get a memento? Nawwww. It was fun figuring
> it out. I had that same experience with my SK Navy uncle's Vibroplex - he
> made a plastic paddle and it was a delight. I broke the thing - it had
> cracks in it from age - and I wound up with a second flat paddle on the
> right side. The spacing is a bit closer than the fiber paddles on the Les
> Logan I used for so many years, but it still feels better than the knob. I
> know this - I doubt I will ever be able to key as well as David does..
>
> I read (Pierpont's well chosen term for head-copying) as high as 60 wpm
> when I sit and listen long enough, but never sent over 35-40 wpm, and
> prefer in older age to hang around at about 27 wpm from the speed so many
> NTS traffic handlers seem to groove into, esp. those who write messages
> with a pen instead of using a Mill. And that is another whole subject.
> Nothing compares with a Real Mill. Nothing. Lotsa fun.
>
> 73 -- Fred NY2V
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cheryl W. Ring
> To: Fred Adsit ; brasspounders@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: fists@mailman.qth.net ; cw@mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fists] Quiz Answer !!!
>
>
> CONGRATULATIONS - WE HAVE ANOTHER WINNER.
>
> CONGRATULATIONS TO FRED ADSIT.
>
> Fred, you're absolutely correct.  I got things reversed - but then got
> them
> correct - no wonders everyones is confoozed.
>
> Here's what happened - what I wrote at the beginning was a "cut and paste"
> quote from Greg Moore - and he is a lefty!
>
> I used GW's comments - he has them reversed - he being a lefty, and I just
> cut and pasted it - and then added my own comments - so you are correct.
> The thumb piece is the paddle.  Lots of guys who are Southpaw didn't spend
> the extra money to buy a "lefty" bug - and now a days they don't even make
>
> them.
>
> BUT to make it even more confusing - when I type the answer on my own, I
> get
> it right!  I mean correct, I mean I dind't confooze my left paw with my
> right mitt.
>
> HERE!!!
>
> On the Vibroplex the finger piece is like a hand key knob - and like a
> door
> knob, the thumb piece looks just like a little paddle that you could
> paddle
> your canoe with.
>
> SEE???   --   I got that part right!
>
> I should have added - the finger piece looks like the button on a pair of
> Levi's Blue Jeans!
>
> Thanks Fred!
>
> Your email obviously was enroute (see below) while the answer was being
> announced but due to delay in Yahgoo wasn't posted yet, so we will give
> you
> credit.
>
> 73
>
> Cheryl and David Ring - KB0RQN and N1EA
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Fred Adsit
>   To: Cheryl W. Ring
>   Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 8:23 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Fists] Quiz Answer !!!
>
>
>   AHA. I just got on FISTS which I have been deleting. Excuse me, but the
> paddle is on the left and is the thumb piece. The finger is used to make
> dits and is on the right and that is the buttton.  Are you telling me that
> a
> Vibroplex is backwards. Read your answer below carefully. It is backwards.
> I
> sent a guess direct and was correct. Why would a button be the paddle and
> the paddle be a button. See the red below. By golly my wild guess was
> correct, in any event. I didn't send it to FISTS tho. Have been ignoring
> FISTS for several days and am baaaackkkk. :-)  Talk about confusion!!
>
>   Fred Adsit NY2V
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: Cheryl W. Ring
>     To: fists@mailman.qth.net
>     Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:56 PM
>     Subject: [Fists] Quiz Answer !!!
>
>
>     Two correct answers:  From Greg Moore and Tom French!
>
>     The thumb piece was called either a "button" - which is the word that
> both
>     of them came up with - or a knob - which I believe is the more common.
>
>     The finger piece is called a "paddle" - which is the one I thought no
> one
>     would get!
>
>     On the Vibroplex the finger piece is like a hand key knob - and like a
> door
>     knob, the thumb piece looks just like a little paddle that you could
> paddle
>     your canoe with.
>
>     73
>
>     DR
>
>     +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>     McElroy, who was a telegrapher, referred to the "thumb
>     paddle" and the "dash button."
>
>     Tom
>
>
>     +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>     OK, the "thumb piece" was the "button" and the "finger piece" was the
> REALLY???
>     "paddle".
>
>     Now, back in the '60s when  my Lightning Bug slid off the table at
> sea,
>     (NO, I wasn't transmitting at the time) and busted the finger piece, I
>     removed both, and made up a large paddle out of a piece of discarded
>     plexiglas. That makeshift paddle was SO comfortable, I kept it with
> the
>     key all these years, used it happily,  and only removed it (actually
>     Vibroplex did, and returned it to me) when I had the bug completely
>     restored last year.
>     73
>     GW
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Fists mailing list
> Fists@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/fists
>

From fistsc2c@yahoo.com  Sun Oct 26 20:24:36 2003
From: fistsc2c@yahoo.com (Paul Beringer)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:24:36 -0800
Subject: [Fists] Coast to Coast video
Message-ID: <OKEEKIBJJOAMBPELHNDBAEINCFAA.fistsc2c@yahoo.com>

Bob Doherty, K1VV, has made available a fascinating video of the C2C contest
as experienced on the USS Salem, K1USN.

K1USN is the callsign of the USS SALEM Radio Club. The USS SALEM is a
retired Heavy Cruiser which is now a Museum Ship located in Quincy,
Massachusetts. It is also home of the United States Shipbuilding Museum. The
USS SALEM is the World's only preserved Heavy Cruiser.

I can burn a CD for anyone who wants one. The format is in Windows Media
player version 9. Real Player will work with the proper update. The cost
will be minimal as blank CDs are cheap and postage is only a buck. They will
be packaged in a slim line cd jewel case and mailed in a 6 X 9 manila
envelope. Payment by PayPal is preferred or you may send me a check or a one
dollar bill via snail mail. PayPal payments can be made to ng7z@yahoo.com.
My address is

Paul Beringer
13743 15th AV NE #7
Seattle WA 98125

73 Paul NG7Z
C2C chairman
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From k9jxw@yahoo.com  Wed Oct 29 11:14:48 2003
From: k9jxw@yahoo.com (James Kimball)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 03:14:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fists] Amateur Radio Licensing Process
Message-ID: <20031029111448.36375.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com>

                   Amateur Radio Licensing Process

My amateur radio days began with a Novice license in
1957.  Morse code ability to receive and send at 5
words per minute was a requirement for access to this
privilege, and the license was limited to one year. 
Without an upgrade, my amateur radio privileges would
have ended.  My next license was the Conditional
(General) class, which required the ability to receive
and send at 13 words per minute.  In addition,
electronic theory of general level was required.  The
Conditional class license examination was administered
by an early version of the VEC - a “senior” amateur
who opened the sealed envelope, administered the test,
and returned it to the FCC for scoring.  The
Conditional license, like the General class, provided
all operating privileges.

With the advent of “Incentive Licensing”, I went to
the Secondary FCC Testing site in Milwaukee,
Wisconsin, and had to retake and pass the code and
theory tests for the General class before I was
allowed to take the code and theory tests for the
Advanced class license.  Years later, I had to travel
from central Wisconsin, twice , to the Primary FCC
Testing site at the Federal Building in St. Paul,
Minnesota, to take the code and theory tests for the
Extra class license.  The first time I missed the
theory portion by one question!

My motivation to upgrade from Conditional was simply
to regain the bottom 25 Khz of the CW portions of the
bands that had been lost with the advent of “Incentive
Licensing”.

I agree with the many observations and comments, that
the current amateur radio testing procedures have
resulted in the “dumbing-down” of people’s skills and
pride in achieving various levels of licensing.  I
personally do not feel contempt for the new amateur
.... just the testing procedures allowed in their
being licensed.  Some say the previous and present
testing and licensing process are too hard for
some(non-English, elderly, handicapped, “normal”,
etc.).  We all live with our abilities and
limitations.  I don’t feel everyone should be licensed
to drive a car or fly an airplane.  Not everyone can
be licensed to drive a semi truck, become a Certified
Public Accountant, or become qualified to do brain
surgery.  At least, I hope not!  There are minimum
standards and competencies required for many
activities in life.

I admit to upgrading to Extra to simply regain CW
privileges, and then forgetting any theory I did not
find useful or find of interest.  I probably would
have a difficult time passing the current Extra class
“multiple-guess” test....except the code portion.  The
use of code is a daily activity, and I continually
work at improving it.  Theory and regulations are
maintained on a needs basis.  And, honestly, I am not
alone in this phenomenon.

When the VEC testing process began, I initially was in
favor of it.  In fact, I studied and passed the ARRL
test to be a VEC examiner.  What turned me off to the
procedure was the contempt of so many other VE’s had
for code, and who actually disagreed with and eased
the code testing part of the exam.  The last test I
helped facilitate as a VE involved a person taking the
Extra code test who marked down .’s and -‘s as they
heard the code sent, and was given unlimited time to
translate the mess to answer the
“multiple-guess”questions!!!  Past practice was the
rationale given for allowing this travesty, contrary
to my objections.

There is much pressure on amateur radio operators to
upgrade our skills, but I believe pressure from radio
manufacturers to sell more radios has mainly been
focused on upgrading the 2 meter CB bunch, with little
or no additional skills.  Generally speaking, being
competent in one area of amateur radio does not
guarantee competence in all areas, even for the Extra
class license holder.  The “hobby” has too many facet.
 As technology moves forward, many are not interested
or willing to keep up.  With no interest or ability,
why is there this pressure to grant more privileges? 
Today, most amateurs have become “appliance
operators”, since we no longer build our own
equipment. The manufacturers and repair shops fill
that need.

My proposal to revamp the amateur radio testing
procedures has met much opposition and anger,
especially from the “Extra lights”.  To keep up our
skills, I would propose a testing procedure somewhat
like pilots are required to do.  That is, retesting
periodically to ensure/guarantee stable and hopefully
increasing competency of the amateur radio community. 
If a person fails their retest at a particular level,
they would drop back to a license level of their
proficiency.  I would also propose an
“Endorsement”process similar to Commercial Licensing
for specific modes of operation.  A test would have to
be passed prior to obtaining the operating privileges
for FM, AM, CW, SSB, PSK31, SSTV, etc.

This would upgrade amateur radio.....but not sell more
radios!!!!!!!!!

------ James C. Kimball, K9JXW 

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From Fred Adsit" <ny2v@earthlink.net  Wed Oct 29 14:21:01 2003
From: Fred Adsit" <ny2v@earthlink.net (Fred Adsit)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:21:01 -0500
Subject: [Fists] The Telegraph Office site temp. out of commission
Message-ID: <000901c39e27$e49f8ac0$19a9ba3f@toshibauser>

I thought my computer had gone bad.. It Has 
developed an inability to read javascript stuff, 
but Neal was another story. This is the answer.
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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:36:06 -0600
To: morsecode <morsecode@mailman.qth.net>
From: Randy Cole <rc@rcole.net>
Subject: [MorseCode] K5RW's ISP went bust

Folks,

If you're wondering what happened to Neal's 
excellent web page (The Telegraph Office) or 
why he didn't respond to an email, the answer 
is that Neal's ISP, metronet.com, appears to 
have disappeared.  I just talked to Neal's wife 
and she confirms that everything is fine but 
Neal is traveling and hasn't had time to find 
a new ISP and get connected.

73,
Randy
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73 - Fred NY2V


