From Vlad UA6JD <ua6jd@fromru.com>  Wed May  1 18:22:58 2002
From: Vlad UA6JD <ua6jd@fromru.com> (Vlad UA6JD)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 17:22:58 +0000
Subject: [Fists] UA6JD sked  for VE-FISTS
Message-ID: <609598119.20020501172258@fromru.com>

Dear Canadian members!!!
I will call for VE members tomorrow - 2 of May on 14058 from 2z till 4z.
Last night give me 3 new: VE1VEI/Mobile,VE1MT and VA3RJ.
Need BADLY Canadian members!!
Of course all FISTS welcome.
Together with me in shack will be Harry UA6JW FISTS#820 - call as
request.
-
Vlad FISTS#1385
ua6jd@qsl.net



From Vlad UA6JD <ua6jd@fromru.com>  Thu May  2 02:34:50 2002
From: Vlad UA6JD <ua6jd@fromru.com> (Vlad UA6JD)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 01:34:50 +0000
Subject: [Fists] WA3WSJ/C6A
Message-ID: <1477508141.20020502013450@fromru.com>

Ed, FISTS#1715, WA3WSJ, will be QRV May 3rd to 11th from Abaco Island,
Bahamas (NA-080) as C6A/WA3WSJ. He will be operating QRP, so look for him
around the usual QRP frequencies as well as the WARC bands CW and PSK31.
 QSL via home call, CBA.

-- 
Best regards,
 Vlad FISTS#1385
 mailto:ua6jd@fromru.com



From YoDoc@aol.com  Fri May  3 01:06:49 2002
From: YoDoc@aol.com (YoDoc@aol.com)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 20:06:49 EDT
Subject: [Fists] Re: Fists digest, Vol 1 #91 - 2 msgs
Message-ID: <10.1e3d52bf.2a032e99@aol.com>

In a message dated 05/02/2002 12:15:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
fists-request@mailman.qth.net writes:

<< Dear Canadian members!!!
 I will call for VE members tomorrow - 2 of May on 14058 from 2z till 4z.
 Last night give me 3 new: VE1VEI/Mobile,VE1MT and VA3RJ.
 Need BADLY Canadian members!!
 Of course all FISTS welcome.
 Together with me in shack will be Harry UA6JW FISTS#820 - call as
 request.
 -
 Vlad FISTS#1385
 ua6jd@qsl.net >>

Vlad:

I really enjoyed working you last night, wish the band conditions
were better!  I had a hard time with your QSL info, I believe you 
said your QSL manager is K0KG?  Please confirm.

Thanks again for the QSO!

73 de Larry, K3LT
FISTS 2008, CC 703


From ny2v@baldcom.net  Fri May  3 02:11:20 2002
From: ny2v@baldcom.net (Fred Adsit)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 21:11:20 -0400
Subject: [Fists] Only a CW rig? What to do?
References: <10.1e3d52bf.2a032e99@aol.com>
Message-ID: <007a01c1f23f$72840280$a98d02d1@val6000>

I will leave the personalities out of this.

What would we do to get our QSOs arranged, and to finish those QSOs, if all
we had were our radios?

Welcome to the new millenium. Ham radio? No. Ham electronics. Radio is
increasingly the least of it.

Fred - NY2V - FISTS 1293


From ny2v@baldcom.net  Fri May  3 02:43:56 2002
From: ny2v@baldcom.net (Fred Adsit)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 21:43:56 -0400
Subject: [Fists] Only a CW rig? What to do?
References: <10.1e3d52bf.2a032e99@aol.com> <007a01c1f23f$72840280$a98d02d1@val6000> <014001c1f23a$7ca68f80$0d15be3f@bigguy>
Message-ID: <008f01c1f244$01022420$a98d02d1@val6000>

Thank you Hans for taking one line only and coming out of the woodwork. It
does not read the same, in context, does it now.

Your brilliance is duly noted, however. I agree with it.
I was making a point about the nature of "radio" these days.

73, Fred

----- Original Message -----
From: KØHB
To: Fred Adsit ; NG FISTS
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Fists] Only a CW rig? What to do?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Adsit" <ny2v@baldcom.net>

>
> What would we do to get our QSOs arranged, and to finish those QSOs, if
all
> we had were our radios?
>

>From the French:

Un chasseur sachant chasser chasse sans son chien.
  (A hunter who knows how to hunt hunts without his dog)

73, de Hans, K0HB


From stanreas@rev.net  Fri May  3 01:45:41 2002
From: stanreas@rev.net (Stan Reas)
Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 20:45:41 -0400
Subject: [Fists] Re: QSL Manager for UA6JD
In-Reply-To: <10.1e3d52bf.2a032e99@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.1.20020502202953.009f10f0@pop.rev.net>

At 20:06 5/2/02 -0400, you K3LT wrote:

>Vlad:
>
>I really enjoyed working you last night, wish the band conditions
>were better!  I had a hard time with your QSL info, I believe you
>said your QSL manager is K0KG?  Please confirm.
>
>Thanks again for the QSO!
>
>73 de Larry, K3LT
>FISTS 2008, CC 703

Vlad - UA6JD:

For stations over here, I think all you need to tell them is to QSL via the 
FISTS QSL Bureau.

I think it confuses them when you say QSL via K0KG, because many members 
won't know that K0KG is a member of FISTS.  They may think they have to 
send their cards directly to him.

That is not necessary because I separate out all cards I get for you and 
send them to Ken, K0KG who does have SASE's on file here at the Bureau.

73, Stan - K4UK
FISTS QSL Bureau
www.qsl.net/w4fcr/fists/fist.html

P.S. to Vlad: Thanks for getting Harry on the air last night - appreciate 
the QSO with him.

    


From k0hb@earthlink.net  Fri May  3 01:35:53 2002
From: k0hb@earthlink.net (=?iso-8859-1?B?S9hIQg==?=)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 01:35:53 +0100
Subject: [Fists] Only a CW rig? What to do?
References: <10.1e3d52bf.2a032e99@aol.com> <007a01c1f23f$72840280$a98d02d1@val6000>
Message-ID: <014001c1f23a$7ca68f80$0d15be3f@bigguy>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Adsit" <ny2v@baldcom.net>

> 
> What would we do to get our QSOs arranged, and to finish those QSOs, if all
> we had were our radios?
> 

>From the French:

Un chasseur sachant chasser chasse sans son chien.
  (A hunter who knows how to hunt hunts without his dog)

73, de Hans, K0HB








From k0hb@earthlink.net  Fri May  3 04:25:17 2002
From: k0hb@earthlink.net (=?iso-8859-1?B?S9hIQg==?=)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 04:25:17 +0100
Subject: [Fists] Only a CW rig? What to do?
References: <10.1e3d52bf.2a032e99@aol.com> <007a01c1f23f$72840280$a98d02d1@val6000> <014001c1f23a$7ca68f80$0d15be3f@bigguy> <008f01c1f244$01022420$a98d02d1@val6000>
Message-ID: <01c101c1f252$26f03100$0d15be3f@bigguy>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Adsit" <ny2v@baldcom.net>

> I was making a point about the nature of "radio" these days.
>
> 73, Fred

As was I.  I've been DX'ing,  involved in contesting, and just being a ham for
over 40 years, not nearly as long as you, I think, but long enuf to see the
currents of change.

I used to think the "one ringers" to work a new one were just on the edge of
cheating, but now we have packet clusters, DX nets with masters-of-ceremony
coaching the contacts (listen to WA4JTK on 14.247 some afternoon if you want to
puke up your lunch), daily DX bulletins via the internet, and all other manner
of "help" in making contacts.

What ever happened to a solitary ham just turning on his receiver and slowly
stroking that big knob in the middle while he/she put his/her head "inside the
band" and became part of the ether, and a student of the e-Layer.  The things
you don't find!  I'm missing only three on CW and seven on phone to have "worked
them all", and none came from a packet cluster, a net control, or an internet
schedule.

Again, from the French:

Un chasseur sachant chasser chasse sans son chien.
  (A hunter who knows how to hunt hunts without his dog)

73, de Hans, K0HB









From ny2v@baldcom.net  Fri May  3 06:00:53 2002
From: ny2v@baldcom.net (Fred Adsit)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 01:00:53 -0400
Subject: [Fists] Double messages
References: <10.1e3d52bf.2a032e99@aol.com> <007a01c1f23f$72840280$a98d02d1@val6000> <014001c1f23a$7ca68f80$0d15be3f@bigguy> <008f01c1f244$01022420$a98d02d1@val6000> <01c101c1f252$26f03100$0d15be3f@bigguy>
Message-ID: <003101c1f25f$838aa140$9f8d02d1@val6000>

Everything from K0HB is coming in here twice, for reasons unknown. I =
open all files in a separate window so that I diminish the chances of =
getting a virus right in the text, not that the checker would not stop =
it. I opened 'em anyway. They all appear to be duplicates.=20

73 - Fred NY2V
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: K=D8HB=20
  To: Fred Adsit ; NG FISTS=20
  Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fists] Only a CW rig? What to do?


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From f5pbl@qsl.net  Fri May  3 17:06:34 2002
From: f5pbl@qsl.net (f5pbl@qsl.net)
Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 18:06:34 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: [Fists] Au sujet de la Francophonie
Message-ID: <1020441994.3cd2b58a74cff@imp.free.fr>

Hi Friends,

A short one, aimed at Hans, K0HB, with whom I yet had some email last year ;o))

>Again, from the French:
>
>Un chasseur sachant chasser chasse sans son chien.
>  (A hunter who knows how to hunt hunts without his dog)

The right one is : 
Un chasseur sachant chasser doit savoir chasser sans son chien

which means : 

A hunter who knows how to hunt has to know how to hunt w/o his dog.

I.e. he is anyway allowed to hunt with his dog, from time to time ...
Do you see what I mean ?.. ;o)) // No offense intended, as I _do_ agree with 
you on this subject //

And if you remember well, dear Hans, that is one of our "funny sentences" when 
they are said quickly ;o))

73 QRO from France, Mon Ami
Claude, F5PBL - FISTS #7722

http://www.qsl.net/f5pbl

DIG #4451 - FISTS #7722 - SOC #503 - 10-X #71724

From hrg@cifnet.com  Tue May  7 21:51:08 2002
From: hrg@cifnet.com (Mike D.)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 15:51:08 -0500
Subject: [Fists] MAC - Slow Speed Code Net
In-Reply-To: <1020441994.3cd2b58a74cff@imp.free.fr>
Message-ID: <MABBKCNPDJPALIGNIPHIIEDIHIAA.hrg@cifnet.com>

MAC Slow Speed Code Net
"Let your fingers do the talking."

Next Net:
Wednesday, May 8, 2002
Time:  7:00 P.M. (local)
Frequency:  +/- 7.138 MHz
Net Control: Phil, K9PL

Are you interested in improving your code skills? Can you copy the Morse
code sent in Arby's TV commercial? Do you want to get ready for Field Day?
(CW 2-points, Phone 1-point) Metro Amateur Radio Club (MAC) would like to be
of assistance. Three times a month we provide on-the-air practice. You don't
have to be a MAC member to participate.

The net operates on the 2nd, 3rd and 4th Wednesday of the month at 7:00 P.M.
local (currently 2400 Z, Wednesday). We meet on 7.138 MHz (plus or minus
QRM). Listen for CQ MAC and then send your callsign at YOUR speed. The net
will QRS (slow down) to the speed of the slowest op.

We don't use any special net protocol to keep things simple. Although this
net was developed to help Chicago area hams, we regularly have out of state
check-ins. If you are a FISTS member, feel free to exchange numbers
with other participants. http://www.fists.org

If you have any questions, please let us know via e-mail at
[mailto:mac@qsl.net]

After the net, please join us for an informal roundtable discussion on the
MAC repeater (Niles, IL). 147.315 MHz (+600 offset, No PL).

All check-ins can redeem special DONUT QSL (Mmmmmm donuts, is there anything
they can't do?) at the next MAC meeting on June 5, 2002. If you missed
the last meeting... you missed Krispy Kreme donuts!


June 5, 2002 Meeting program:

Paul Plasters, K9PEP (Rockford, IL) of the Motorcycling Amateur Radio Club
(MARC), Illinois/Wisconsin division will talk about two of his favorite
things -- motorcycling and ham radio.
Paul has over 750,000 miles under his belt and now that he is retired, knows
it won't be long until he hits 1,000,000!
Paul will talk about how you can enjoy these two endeavors at the same time
while sharing some of his own adventures.


Visit the MAC website at http://www.qsl.net/mac and remember to eat your
donuts!


Now you can purchase the new third edition of "The Art & Skill of
Radio-Telegraphy," by Bill Pierpont, NØHFF. FISTS CW Club is offering this
limited edition for only $14.48 (Priority Mail shipping included). For
details, visit http://www.qsl.net/n9bor/n0hff.htm


From K1zw@webtv.net  Wed May  8 20:05:07 2002
From: K1zw@webtv.net (Larry B)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 14:05:07 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fists] air time
Message-ID: <9863-3CD976E3-355@storefull-2316.public.lawson.webtv.net>

Just worked HI this week on 40m cw with the dipole es 25 watts so that
finishes up was on cw. Now can spend some time working fist.
Made two fist contacts this after noon on 20m for a start. Will be
trying to make a couple or so contacts a day fron now on. 

K1zw
Larry
Qcwa-Ootc-Fist


From n9avg@att.net  Wed May  8 19:38:33 2002
From: n9avg@att.net (Jeff Davis)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 14:38:33 -0400
Subject: [Fists] air time
References: <9863-3CD976E3-355@storefull-2316.public.lawson.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <017001c1f6bf$91282c00$a5ed540c@c>

Larry.

Don't forget about the FISTS Spring Sprint on May 11. You should be able to
pick up lots of FISTS numbers in that event. Look here for more info:

http://www.fists.org/sprints.html

Vy 73 es hope to CU in the TEST.

Jeff, N9AVG
FISTS #6641


----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry B" <K1zw@webtv.net>
To: <fists@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 3:05 PM
Subject: [Fists] air time


> Just worked HI this week on 40m cw with the dipole es 25 watts so that
> finishes up was on cw. Now can spend some time working fist.
> Made two fist contacts this after noon on 20m for a start. Will be
> trying to make a couple or so contacts a day fron now on.



From K1zw@webtv.net  Wed May  8 21:10:09 2002
From: K1zw@webtv.net (Larry B)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 15:10:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fists] Sprint
In-Reply-To: "Jeff Davis" <n9avg@att.net>'s message of Wed, 8 May 2002 14:38:33 -0400
Message-ID: <9863-3CD98621-394@storefull-2316.public.lawson.webtv.net>

Actually it had slipped my mind but i made a note of it  this time.
Thanks for the reminder.
thanks

K1zw
Larry
Qcwa-Ootc-Fist


From Nancy Kott" <nancy@tir.com  Wed May  8 23:05:16 2002
From: Nancy Kott" <nancy@tir.com (Nancy Kott)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 18:05:16 -0400
Subject: [Fists] Fw: 20/15 Meter Intruder?
Message-ID: <003701c1f6dc$702697e0$73d079a5@h4s6u1>

If anyone has any reports on this interference please send them to Brennan
Price, N4QX@arrl.org.

73
Nancy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martek, Gary [mailto:Gary.Martek@metawave.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 3:33 PM
> Subject: 20/15 Meter Intruder?
>
>
> Hi Brennan, over the last few weeks strong s9 plus carriers have been
> observed on 14.05725 and 21.05725 MHz. This appears to be a full duplex
> telephone system that uses a carrier and USB to establish a 100% duty
cycle
> system. Traffic recorded on this system by me, appears to be some short of
> telephone like exchange between non-radio operator type of users. No
carrier
> interruptions like a 1/2 duplex is observed. Beam headings appear to be
300
> to 310 degrees azimuth from my location in Edgewood, WA, Malaysia??
> Speculation: Maybe a new inter-island HF phone system using two ham bands
> for full duplex?? I respectfully request that your department confirm my
> observation and investigate legality of such a system. Take appropriate
> action, and please inform me of your thoughts/progress. This system is
> creating QRM between the usual frequencies used by FISTS and County
Hunters
> (CW).
>
> 73
> Gary A. Martek, W7DO

> Gary,
>
> I will solicit a few other reports and file an HFDF request with the FCC.
> Thank you for your report!
>
> 73,
> Brennan Price, N4QX
> Field and Regulatory Correspondent
> American Radio Relay League
> 860 594-0272 (work)
>



From Vlad UA6JD <ua6jd@fromru.com>  Thu May  9 12:31:47 2002
From: Vlad UA6JD <ua6jd@fromru.com> (Vlad UA6JD)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 11:31:47 +0000
Subject: [Fists] UA6JD sked
Message-ID: <201306254.20020509113147@fromru.com>

My friends-
I will be activity today,tomorrow and day after tomorrow(10,11 & 12 of
May) on FISTS QRG 14058 from 2z till 4z.
Sked with any Canadian and Fists Club stations will be appreciate.
Give e-mail me.
Also will monitoring 14058 +/- QRM during FISTS Spring Sprint 11 of
May from 17z till 21z.
Remember that my brother Harry UA6JW also FISTS#820 and he stay in
shack with me so he can call as request.
--
Best regards,
 Vlad FISTS#1385
 mailto:ua6jd@fromru.com



From K1zw@webtv.net  Thu May  9 17:27:19 2002
From: K1zw@webtv.net (Larry B)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 11:27:19 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fists] ot - pwr supply
Message-ID: <12426-3CDAA367-86@storefull-2317.public.lawson.webtv.net>

Do any of you computer guys know if these small pwr supplies that pwr up
cannon  printers are regulated ? Its rated at 13vdc @ 4 amps. I havent
yet hooked it up to my qrp rig to see if it produces any hash .

Thanks

K1zw
Larry
Qcwa-Ootc-Fist


From ATanner283@aol.com  Fri May 10 23:17:20 2002
From: ATanner283@aol.com (ATanner283@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 18:17:20 EDT
Subject: [Fists] Re: SPRINTS
Message-ID: <1a7.2121fc9.2a0da0f0@aol.com>

PLEASE dn NOT send your logs to me. ALSO....I have notified the Contest 
Corral Manager again and he has assured me that the correct address will 
appear in QST for the log destination. Seems there was, of course, a snafu 
and it did not get changed previously as planned. 73  
Al/2192/Extra................................Heavy(gettin heavier with a 
viking 2 soon to be on the air)

From n9avg@att.net  Sat May 11 18:30:44 2002
From: n9avg@att.net (Jeff Davis)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 12:30:44 -0500
Subject: [Fists] Why CC?
Message-ID: <00d801c1f911$95286fa0$9800a8c0@N9AVG>

Why am I working stations in the Sprint who are sending their FISTS
number AND their CC number?

It is just slowing things down...there is no multi for a CC number, is
there?

--
Jeff, N9AVG



From k0hb@earthlink.net  Sat May 11 18:34:44 2002
From: k0hb@earthlink.net (=?iso-8859-1?B?S9hIQg==?=)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 18:34:44 +0100
Subject: [Fists] Why CC?
References: <00d801c1f911$95286fa0$9800a8c0@N9AVG>
Message-ID: <004701c1f912$24da5320$9f11be3f@bigguy>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Davis" <n9avg@att.net>

>
> It is just slowing things down...there is no multi for a CC number, is
> there?
>

Along the same lines are the boys and girls who send their info twice, even
though I just sent them "599".  It just slows us all down.

73, de Hans





From k0hb@earthlink.net  Sat May 11 20:20:39 2002
From: k0hb@earthlink.net (=?iso-8859-1?B?S9hIQg==?=)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 20:20:39 +0100
Subject: [Fists] Contest tricks
References: <00d801c1f911$95286fa0$9800a8c0@N9AVG>
Message-ID: <008f01c1f920$f0b8d800$9f11be3f@bigguy>

Dabbled around in the sprint today, and worked a lot of good operators.  Since
(besides Morse) one of my ham radio addictions is contesting, I thought I'd
offer some 'hints and kinks' to make you all more successful in the next FISTS
sprint.

1 -- Don't dilly-dally!  This is a "sprint" after all, not a "stroll".  Send
what the exchange calls for, no more -- no less.  We can chat after the contest,
and as N9AVG mentioned, exchange CC numbers, etc at another time.

2 -- Send the information once.  If I give you a 599 signal report, that means I
copy you really well, so repeats are not needed. This is especially true if
you're QRP.  If there's QSB like there was today, you may fade out of sight
during a longer transmission.

3 -- Zero beat the station you're calling.  During contests the bands are
generally crowded, and many operators will have their filters narrowed down to
avoid QRM.  If you don't call them exactly on their frequency, then you won't be
heard.

4 -- "/QRP" is not part of your call sign.  It's only 4 more characters that I
have to copy, slowing down our exchange.

5 --  If you're using a beam, turn your antenna away from the prevailing
propagation.  For example, if you're in Ohio and hear the W1/2/3/4 boys and
girls really strong, point your antenna west.  You'll still hear those strong
east-coasters, and now you'll also hear the weaker W6/7 folks too.

6 -- Make yourself visible.  When your running frequency starts to get slow,
move up/down the band, or to a different band.  Yes, I know your best antenna is
your dipole on 40 meters, but hey, if you've worked everyone on 40, that same
antenna will work on 15.

Above all, have fun and don't take it seriously when someone tries to steal your
QRG.

(©¿©)  73, de Hans, K0HB











From w2agn@w2agn.net  Sat May 11 21:43:25 2002
From: w2agn@w2agn.net (W2AGN)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 16:43:25 -0400
Subject: [Fists] Contest tricks
In-Reply-To: <008f01c1f920$f0b8d800$9f11be3f@bigguy>
References: <00d801c1f911$95286fa0$9800a8c0@N9AVG>
 <008f01c1f920$f0b8d800$9f11be3f@bigguy>
Message-ID: <0205111643251J.14392@jsielke>

On Saturday 11 May 2002 15:20, KØHB wrote:
> Dabbled around in the sprint today, and worked a lot of good operators. 
> Since (besides Morse) one of my ham radio addictions is contesting, I
> thought I'd offer some 'hints and kinks' to make you all more successful in
> the next FISTS sprint.


-- 

Well, I worked you today (from W3IYQ). I hope my operating met those high 
standards. 

Frankly, a 599 means nothing. I have had a 599 report, and then multiple 
repeats requested. Many "expert" contesters send nothing but 599. It's 
programmed into their logging software. It takes less time to send everything 
twice, especially the number, than to go through numerous repeats. Perhaps if 
honest reports were given, we could use them as a basis to decide whether or 
not to send words twice. 
   --------------------------
      John L Sielke   W2AGN
         w2agn@w2agn.net
      http://www.w2agn.net
   

From k0hb@earthlink.net  Sat May 11 20:52:42 2002
From: k0hb@earthlink.net (=?iso-8859-1?B?S9hIQg==?=)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 20:52:42 +0100
Subject: [Fists] Contest tricks
References: <00d801c1f911$95286fa0$9800a8c0@N9AVG> <008f01c1f920$f0b8d800$9f11be3f@bigguy> <0205111643251J.14392@jsielke>
Message-ID: <00af01c1f925$6ab900e0$9f11be3f@bigguy>

----- Original Message -----
From: "W2AGN" <w2agn@w2agn.net>

> Frankly, a 599 means nothing. I have had a 599 report, and then multiple
> repeats requested. Many "expert" contesters send nothing but 599.

When an expert contester sends 599, it means 599.

Generally you can program the software to accept any signal report, or you can
over-ride it.  If not, your software author was not "expert".

Sending everything twice takes twice as long, and guarantees your score will be
lower than if you sent the info only once, giving occassional fills as needed.

73, Hans, K0HB






From ATanner283@aol.com  Sat May 11 22:02:27 2002
From: ATanner283@aol.com (ATanner283@aol.com)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 17:02:27 EDT
Subject: [Fists] Why CC?
Message-ID: <157.dc1b74f.2a0ee0e3@aol.com>

HA ha ha ha ha ha ha. Well Jeff, as was pointed out to me recently.....It's 
not a contest so it doesn't matter. A year or so ago several FISTS raised 
heck becuase the CC number was NOT in the exchange. There is already TOO MUCH 
info exchanged as it is, but since it is NOT a 
contest......................hmmmmmm...I wonder why we keep score if it 
isn't.............oh well.......Al/2192/W8FAX   heavy

From k0hb@earthlink.net  Sat May 11 21:17:30 2002
From: k0hb@earthlink.net (=?iso-8859-1?B?S9hIQg==?=)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 21:17:30 +0100
Subject: [Fists] Why CC?
References: <157.dc1b74f.2a0ee0e3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00e701c1f928$e21f6180$9f11be3f@bigguy>

----- Original Message -----
From: <ATanner283@aol.com>

>  but since it is NOT a  contest

????????????????????????

If we keep score, and the highest score wins, then it's a contest!

Personally, I like contests in which a lot of info is exchanged.  The ARRL
November SS is my favorite, because with 5 individual information elements in
the exchange, it rewards skilled operators.

73, de Hans, K0HB







From stanreas@rev.net  Sun May 12 01:55:30 2002
From: stanreas@rev.net (Stan Reas)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 20:55:30 -0400
Subject: [Fists] Contest tricks
In-Reply-To: <008f01c1f920$f0b8d800$9f11be3f@bigguy>
References: <00d801c1f911$95286fa0$9800a8c0@N9AVG>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.1.20020511195657.009e2680@pop.rev.net>

At 20:20 5/11/02 +0100, Hans, K0HB wrote:

My comments interspersed

>Dabbled around in the sprint today, and worked a lot of good operators. =
 Since
>(besides Morse) one of my ham radio addictions is contesting, I thought I'd
>offer some 'hints and kinks' to make you all more successful in the next=
 FISTS
>sprint.
>
>1 -- Don't dilly-dally!  This is a "sprint" after all, not a "stroll". =
 Send
>what the exchange calls for, no more -- no less.  We can chat after the=20
>contest,
>and as N9AVG mentioned, exchange CC numbers, etc at another time.

Perhaps a member is proud to have his CC number.  It doesn't bother me to=
 have
the CC# sent during a Sprint.  Of course I consider the FISTS Sprint more=20
as a stroll
than a contest.

>2 -- Send the information once.  If I give you a 599 signal report, that=20
>means I
>copy you really well, so repeats are not needed. This is especially true if
>you're QRP.  If there's QSB like there was today, you may fade out of sight
>during a longer transmission.

The "S" (Signal Strength) report is the means to indicate relative strength=
=20
of the
received signal.  The "R" (Readabilty) report is the means to indicate how=
 you
COPY the signal.

Per my reading of the R-S-T System "S-9" means Extremely Strong Signal.  I=
 was
running  QRP and received nine "599" reports out of 21 QSO's.  I doubt very=
=20
much that
I had an "extremely strong signal" at those folks stations.  Especially=20
when some of
them asked me for repeats on my state or name or number.

I pride myself in giving realistic signal reports on every contact.  And,=20
Hans you were 589 - NOT
599 on 15 Meters at 1841 UTC.  You WERE 599 on 20 Meters at 1907.

>3 -- Zero beat the station you're calling.  During contests the bands are
>generally crowded, and many operators will have their filters narrowed down=
 to
>avoid QRM.  If you don't call them exactly on their frequency, then you=20
>won't be
>heard.

The "RIT" feature is built into most all rigs and is meant to be used to=20
tune in the
station who is a bit off frequency.  Sometimes being a bit off the=20
frequency will get
you heard because your note may be unique.

Agree that if the operator is not using his RIT "you won't be heard" - but=
=20
in like manner
that operator may lose a contact because the fellow who is slightly off=20
frequency will just
quit calling him and go call someone else who is using his RIT.


>4 -- "/QRP" is not part of your call sign.  It's only 4 more characters=
 that I
>have to copy, slowing down our exchange.

Now why do some of us QRP'ers send "/QRP" ?  I agree it is unnecessary.

But we often do it to alert the station we are calling why our signal is=
 weak.
And the extra few characters may just be heard after the "din" of a pile-up
subsides.

Often the station being called will not be able make out anything in the=
 "din",
but will hear the "/QRP" and often come back with "? QRP Pse".

I've worked many a "rare" DX station from my mobile by signing K4UK / M and
have the DX station come back "? /M Pse"

>5 --  If you're using a beam, turn your antenna away from the prevailing
>propagation.  For example, if you're in Ohio and hear the W1/2/3/4 boys and
>girls really strong, point your antenna west.  You'll still hear those=
 strong
>east-coasters, and now you'll also hear the weaker W6/7 folks too.

And those of us who don't have beams need to try different antennas if they=
=20
have
them.  Don't lock into only one antenna for the contest.

>6 -- Make yourself visible.  When your running frequency starts to get=
 slow,
>move up/down the band, or to a different band.  Yes, I know your best=20
>antenna is
>your dipole on 40 meters, but hey, if you've worked everyone on 40, that=
 same
>antenna will work on 15.

Us QRP types seldom can "run" a frequency.  We are generally the S & P
(Search & Pounce) folks in the contests.  So we move all over the bands=20
looking
for folks who can hear our "peanut whistles"

>Above all, have fun and don't take it seriously when someone tries to=20
>steal your
>QRG.

Hey, FUN is what all contests are supposed to be.  At least they are that=20
to me.
And when I stop having fun during a contest, I quit.


>(=A9=BF=A9)  73, de Hans, K0HB

P.S. My feeling is that the RST report in most contests is "useless" except=
=20
as a
means to indicate when the important information is to follow.  It is no=20
longer used
in the Sweepstakes, which therefore requires you to copy all data sent.

In QRP contests the RST is meaningful, because it is generally=20
realistic.  I will very, very
seldom get a 599 signal report in a QRP contest.  And, I do appreciate=20
getting a realistic
signal report during all contacts.

Enough said!

73, Stan - K4UK / QRP



From cyr999@extremezone.com  Sun May 12 01:42:54 2002
From: cyr999@extremezone.com (Tim and Nancy Logan)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 17:42:54 -0700
Subject: [Fists] Contest tricks
References: <00d801c1f911$95286fa0$9800a8c0@N9AVG> <5.0.0.25.1.20020511195657.009e2680@pop.rev.net>
Message-ID: <3CDDBA8D.959F18F9@extremezone.com>

Satn - I thought that was a great summary and very helpful. Thanks for
taking the time to write it and put it on the reflector. Well done.
73/Tim Logan NZ7C

Stan Reas wrote:
> 
> At 20:20 5/11/02 +0100, Hans, K0HB wrote:
> 
> My comments interspersed
> 
> >Dabbled around in the sprint today, and worked a lot of good operators.  Since
> >(besides Morse) one of my ham radio addictions is contesting, I thought I'd
> >offer some 'hints and kinks' to make you all more successful in the next FISTS
> >sprint.
> >
> >1 -- Don't dilly-dally!  This is a "sprint" after all, not a "stroll".  Send
> >what the exchange calls for, no more -- no less.  We can chat after the
> >contest,
> >and as N9AVG mentioned, exchange CC numbers, etc at another time.
> 
> Perhaps a member is proud to have his CC number.  It doesn't bother me to have
> the CC# sent during a Sprint.  Of course I consider the FISTS Sprint more
> as a stroll
> than a contest.
> 
> >2 -- Send the information once.  If I give you a 599 signal report, that
> >means I
> >copy you really well, so repeats are not needed. This is especially true if
> >you're QRP.  If there's QSB like there was today, you may fade out of sight
> >during a longer transmission.
> 
> The "S" (Signal Strength) report is the means to indicate relative strength
> of the
> received signal.  The "R" (Readabilty) report is the means to indicate how you
> COPY the signal.
> 
> Per my reading of the R-S-T System "S-9" means Extremely Strong Signal.  I was
> running  QRP and received nine "599" reports out of 21 QSO's.  I doubt very
> much that
> I had an "extremely strong signal" at those folks stations.  Especially
> when some of
> them asked me for repeats on my state or name or number.
> 
> I pride myself in giving realistic signal reports on every contact.  And,
> Hans you were 589 - NOT
> 599 on 15 Meters at 1841 UTC.  You WERE 599 on 20 Meters at 1907.
> 
> >3 -- Zero beat the station you're calling.  During contests the bands are
> >generally crowded, and many operators will have their filters narrowed down to
> >avoid QRM.  If you don't call them exactly on their frequency, then you
> >won't be
> >heard.
> 
> The "RIT" feature is built into most all rigs and is meant to be used to
> tune in the
> station who is a bit off frequency.  Sometimes being a bit off the
> frequency will get
> you heard because your note may be unique.
> 
> Agree that if the operator is not using his RIT "you won't be heard" - but
> in like manner
> that operator may lose a contact because the fellow who is slightly off
> frequency will just
> quit calling him and go call someone else who is using his RIT.
> 
> >4 -- "/QRP" is not part of your call sign.  It's only 4 more characters that I
> >have to copy, slowing down our exchange.
> 
> Now why do some of us QRP'ers send "/QRP" ?  I agree it is unnecessary.
> 
> But we often do it to alert the station we are calling why our signal is weak.
> And the extra few characters may just be heard after the "din" of a pile-up
> subsides.
> 
> Often the station being called will not be able make out anything in the "din",
> but will hear the "/QRP" and often come back with "? QRP Pse".
> 
> I've worked many a "rare" DX station from my mobile by signing K4UK / M and
> have the DX station come back "? /M Pse"
> 
> >5 --  If you're using a beam, turn your antenna away from the prevailing
> >propagation.  For example, if you're in Ohio and hear the W1/2/3/4 boys and
> >girls really strong, point your antenna west.  You'll still hear those strong
> >east-coasters, and now you'll also hear the weaker W6/7 folks too.
> 
> And those of us who don't have beams need to try different antennas if they
> have
> them.  Don't lock into only one antenna for the contest.
> 
> >6 -- Make yourself visible.  When your running frequency starts to get slow,
> >move up/down the band, or to a different band.  Yes, I know your best
> >antenna is
> >your dipole on 40 meters, but hey, if you've worked everyone on 40, that same
> >antenna will work on 15.
> 
> Us QRP types seldom can "run" a frequency.  We are generally the S & P
> (Search & Pounce) folks in the contests.  So we move all over the bands
> looking
> for folks who can hear our "peanut whistles"
> 
> >Above all, have fun and don't take it seriously when someone tries to
> >steal your
> >QRG.
> 
> Hey, FUN is what all contests are supposed to be.  At least they are that
> to me.
> And when I stop having fun during a contest, I quit.
> 
> >(©¿©)  73, de Hans, K0HB
> 
> P.S. My feeling is that the RST report in most contests is "useless" except
> as a
> means to indicate when the important information is to follow.  It is no
> longer used
> in the Sweepstakes, which therefore requires you to copy all data sent.
> 
> In QRP contests the RST is meaningful, because it is generally
> realistic.  I will very, very
> seldom get a 599 signal report in a QRP contest.  And, I do appreciate
> getting a realistic
> signal report during all contacts.
> 
> Enough said!
> 
> 73, Stan - K4UK / QRP
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Fists mailing list
> Fists@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/fists

From cyr999@extremezone.com  Sun May 12 01:51:50 2002
From: cyr999@extremezone.com (Tim and Nancy Logan)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 17:51:50 -0700
Subject: [Fists] Contest tricks
References: <00d801c1f911$95286fa0$9800a8c0@N9AVG> <5.0.0.25.1.20020511195657.009e2680@pop.rev.net> <3CDDBA8D.959F18F9@extremezone.com>
Message-ID: <3CDDBCA6.64FEEF0A@extremezone.com>

Sorry Stan - I really can spell: STAN!

Tim and Nancy Logan wrote:
> 
> Satn - I thought that was a great summary and very helpful. Thanks for
> taking the time to write it and put it on the reflector. Well done.
> 73/Tim Logan NZ7C
> 
> Stan Reas wrote:
> >
> > At 20:20 5/11/02 +0100, Hans, K0HB wrote:
> >
> > My comments interspersed
> >
> > >Dabbled around in the sprint today, and worked a lot of good operators.  Since
> > >(besides Morse) one of my ham radio addictions is contesting, I thought I'd
> > >offer some 'hints and kinks' to make you all more successful in the next FISTS
> > >sprint.
> > >
> > >1 -- Don't dilly-dally!  This is a "sprint" after all, not a "stroll".  Send
> > >what the exchange calls for, no more -- no less.  We can chat after the
> > >contest,
> > >and as N9AVG mentioned, exchange CC numbers, etc at another time.
> >
> > Perhaps a member is proud to have his CC number.  It doesn't bother me to have
> > the CC# sent during a Sprint.  Of course I consider the FISTS Sprint more
> > as a stroll
> > than a contest.
> >
> > >2 -- Send the information once.  If I give you a 599 signal report, that
> > >means I
> > >copy you really well, so repeats are not needed. This is especially true if
> > >you're QRP.  If there's QSB like there was today, you may fade out of sight
> > >during a longer transmission.
> >
> > The "S" (Signal Strength) report is the means to indicate relative strength
> > of the
> > received signal.  The "R" (Readabilty) report is the means to indicate how you
> > COPY the signal.
> >
> > Per my reading of the R-S-T System "S-9" means Extremely Strong Signal.  I was
> > running  QRP and received nine "599" reports out of 21 QSO's.  I doubt very
> > much that
> > I had an "extremely strong signal" at those folks stations.  Especially
> > when some of
> > them asked me for repeats on my state or name or number.
> >
> > I pride myself in giving realistic signal reports on every contact.  And,
> > Hans you were 589 - NOT
> > 599 on 15 Meters at 1841 UTC.  You WERE 599 on 20 Meters at 1907.
> >
> > >3 -- Zero beat the station you're calling.  During contests the bands are
> > >generally crowded, and many operators will have their filters narrowed down to
> > >avoid QRM.  If you don't call them exactly on their frequency, then you
> > >won't be
> > >heard.
> >
> > The "RIT" feature is built into most all rigs and is meant to be used to
> > tune in the
> > station who is a bit off frequency.  Sometimes being a bit off the
> > frequency will get
> > you heard because your note may be unique.
> >
> > Agree that if the operator is not using his RIT "you won't be heard" - but
> > in like manner
> > that operator may lose a contact because the fellow who is slightly off
> > frequency will just
> > quit calling him and go call someone else who is using his RIT.
> >
> > >4 -- "/QRP" is not part of your call sign.  It's only 4 more characters that I
> > >have to copy, slowing down our exchange.
> >
> > Now why do some of us QRP'ers send "/QRP" ?  I agree it is unnecessary.
> >
> > But we often do it to alert the station we are calling why our signal is weak.
> > And the extra few characters may just be heard after the "din" of a pile-up
> > subsides.
> >
> > Often the station being called will not be able make out anything in the "din",
> > but will hear the "/QRP" and often come back with "? QRP Pse".
> >
> > I've worked many a "rare" DX station from my mobile by signing K4UK / M and
> > have the DX station come back "? /M Pse"
> >
> > >5 --  If you're using a beam, turn your antenna away from the prevailing
> > >propagation.  For example, if you're in Ohio and hear the W1/2/3/4 boys and
> > >girls really strong, point your antenna west.  You'll still hear those strong
> > >east-coasters, and now you'll also hear the weaker W6/7 folks too.
> >
> > And those of us who don't have beams need to try different antennas if they
> > have
> > them.  Don't lock into only one antenna for the contest.
> >
> > >6 -- Make yourself visible.  When your running frequency starts to get slow,
> > >move up/down the band, or to a different band.  Yes, I know your best
> > >antenna is
> > >your dipole on 40 meters, but hey, if you've worked everyone on 40, that same
> > >antenna will work on 15.
> >
> > Us QRP types seldom can "run" a frequency.  We are generally the S & P
> > (Search & Pounce) folks in the contests.  So we move all over the bands
> > looking
> > for folks who can hear our "peanut whistles"
> >
> > >Above all, have fun and don't take it seriously when someone tries to
> > >steal your
> > >QRG.
> >
> > Hey, FUN is what all contests are supposed to be.  At least they are that
> > to me.
> > And when I stop having fun during a contest, I quit.
> >
> > >(©¿©)  73, de Hans, K0HB
> >
> > P.S. My feeling is that the RST report in most contests is "useless" except
> > as a
> > means to indicate when the important information is to follow.  It is no
> > longer used
> > in the Sweepstakes, which therefore requires you to copy all data sent.
> >
> > In QRP contests the RST is meaningful, because it is generally
> > realistic.  I will very, very
> > seldom get a 599 signal report in a QRP contest.  And, I do appreciate
> > getting a realistic
> > signal report during all contacts.
> >
> > Enough said!
> >
> > 73, Stan - K4UK / QRP
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Fists mailing list
> > Fists@mailman.qth.net
> > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/fists
> _______________________________________________
> Fists mailing list
> Fists@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/fists

From n9avg@att.net  Sun May 12 14:26:50 2002
From: n9avg@att.net (Jeff Davis)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 08:26:50 -0500
Subject: [Fists] Contest tricks
References: <00d801c1f911$95286fa0$9800a8c0@N9AVG> <5.0.0.25.1.20020511195657.009e2680@pop.rev.net> <3CDDBA8D.959F18F9@extremezone.com> <3CDDBCA6.64FEEF0A@extremezone.com> <83DA5601.3A04@monroe.lib.mi.us>
Message-ID: <001101c1f9b8$ad4f2b30$9800a8c0@N9AVG>

You are right Dan. Rapid fire contacts are not everyone's cup of tea.
But if you get "in" a contest, it is probably best to assume that the
person on the other end is interested in making the exchange and
moving on.

I think the advice that Hans sent to the list yesterday was good for
those who want to work in a "sprint".

The Sprint required this exchange:

TU RST 599 BOB WA XXXX BK

But I ran into a lot of this:

TNX FER THE 599 RPT BT MY NAME IS BOB BOB BOB BT UR RST RST RST IS 599
599 599 BT MY QTH IS ELMO, WA ELMO, WA ELMO, WA BT MY FISTS NR IS XXXX
XXXX XXXX BT CC CC YYYY YYYY BT TNX FER CONTACT AND BEST 73 GL GL GL
HPE TO CU AGN ON BANDS BT 73 73 73

I wasn't looking to set the world on fire with a high score, but there
is a right way and a wrong way to do anything. Clearly, some folks
have a different view of the Sprints.

One of the nice things about CW is its brevity. One often runs into
the same thing in more casual operating. Like this:

RRR TNX FOR THE FB RPT FROM MUNCIE, IN BT FB UR ELECRAFT K1 BT FB UR 5
WATTS BT FB UR DIPOLE BT FB UR RAIN AND TEMP....etc.

I'm convinced the person who just echoes back to me everything that I
sent has absolutely nothing to say but won't use *that* as an excuse
to turn the radio off for awhile and go get some fresh air! :-)

73 de Jeff, N9AVG
FISTS #6641


----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Metzger" <dmetzger@monroe.lib.mi.us>
To: <fists@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 1903 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Fists] Contest tricks


Just a voice from the other side of the aisle:

I don't do contests (except for field day with the club) precisely
because of the "hit and run" nature of the contacts.  When I meet
somebody, in person or on the air, I like to treat them as a person
who
matters, not as a number that ups my count by one.  I enjoy some of
the
runs billed as "QSO Parties" because we can exchange a few personal
notes and good greetings without anybody getting upset about it.

Obviously there are a LOT of hams who do enjoy the rapid ticking off
of
60 QSOs in 30 minutes, and my best respects and good wishes to them.
But I thought someone should say a word to the effect that this is not
everyone's cup of tea.



From Claude TERRIER - F5PBL" <f5pbl@qsl.net  Sun May 12 15:46:40 2002
From: Claude TERRIER - F5PBL" <f5pbl@qsl.net (Claude TERRIER - F5PBL)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 16:46:40 +0200
Subject: [Fists] FISTS Sprint
Message-ID: <003301c1f9c3$f8950820$2e86933e@AFR105759>

Hi Friends,

I have just rx the FISTS digest of the day.
Really amazing as an hobby can quickly turn into a "chapel's battle" (F saying).

The "599" is of no more value nowadays, especially in contests. That is a proven
fact.
Sorry Hans but I really doubt that during a contest an expert (looking for the
1st place, the highest score) will take the time to type in 579 on the keyboard
(did you say CW ?... humm ....) instead of hitting the F5 or Fx function key to
send the automatic "599 serial" report.
Despite that, I do agree with you that during a contest, twice sending is a
waste of time BUT the KeyNote Bulletin is stating that the Sprint is at first to
have fun. Yes, it is a contest, yes you have to go quick (and BTW it is an other
way which helps improve our CW skills and that is why I _do_ love contests !)
but by Jove, we are here to have fun, n'est-il-pas ?

Despite the fact that /QRP is not part of our official licence, I will always
sign /QRP while QRPing for at least 2 reasons :
- the other guy may answer quicker to a QRP, as stated by Stan, especially in a
pile-up, also a proven fact.
- if the other guy logged me as F5PBL and not as F5PBL/QRP, then he will send a
QSL to F5PBL despite the fact that I was QRP and this QSL may be of no value for
my QRP awards chasing. As for contesting, Award chasing is only an other side of
our hobby, but as Hans is taking seriously the contest matter, I am taking
seriously my award chasing matter.
And in some contests there is also a special entry for QRP.

Hans, pse do not misunderstand me. I do follow you in some aspects but I think
that everyone should put "some water in his/her wine" ... The QRPers and other
fellows who do not enjoy "quick QSOs" should stay away of contesting but pse
accept that some QRP/QRS stations wish to enter the contest and even sending
their CC.

73 QRO and I do hope we will meet on air.
Claude, F5PBL

http://www.qsl.net/f5pbl

DIG #4451 - FISTS #7722 - SOC #503 - 10-X #71724



From k0hb@earthlink.net  Sun May 12 15:30:47 2002
From: k0hb@earthlink.net (=?iso-8859-1?B?S9hIQg==?=)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 15:30:47 +0100
Subject: [Fists] FISTS Sprint
References: <003301c1f9c3$f8950820$2e86933e@AFR105759>
Message-ID: <005f01c1f9c1$9cbb27c0$3a11be3f@bigguy>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claude TERRIER - F5PBL" <f5pbl@qsl.net>

Good points, well taken, Claude.  (But what is a "chapels battle"?)

> - the other guy may answer quicker to a QRP,

Actually, I often wonder about this one.

Sometimes it strikes me that signing "/QRP" is sort of a plea for "special
consideration because my signal is so weak".

I'm not a full time QRPer, but I do run QRP about 75% of the time, and
specifically do NOT sign _QRP_ because I want to know how well I can do without
calling attention to my power level.

I wonder if others don't also react the same?

73, de Hans, K0HB

PS: I have a lot of contest plaques and winners certificates on the wall, but
you can be sure that you _ALWAYS_ get an accurate signal report from me.



From w2bj@minsky.info  Sun May 12 16:38:09 2002
From: w2bj@minsky.info (W2BJ)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 08:38:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fists] Contest tricks
Message-ID: <20020512083809.6951.h006.c007.wm@mail.minsky.info.criticalpath.net>

Daniel Metzger wrote

> 
> Just a voice from the other side of the aisle:
> 
> I don't do contests (except for field day with the
club) precisely 
> because of the "hit and run" nature of the contacts. 
When I meet 
> somebody, in person or on the air, I like to treat
them as a person who 
> matters, not as a number that ups my count by one.  I
enjoy some of the 
> runs billed as "QSO Parties" because we can exchange
a few personal 
> notes and good greetings without anybody getting
upset about it.
> 
> Obviously there are a LOT of hams who do enjoy the
rapid ticking off of 
> 60 QSOs in 30 minutes, and my best respects and good
wishes to them.  
> But I thought someone should say a word to the effect
that this is not 
> everyone's cup of tea.
> 
> 73 de Dan K8JWR

Hi Dan,
You expressed my feelings very well.  I also enjoy
people more than numbers.  I do collect FISTS numbers,
but as part of my normal operating.  Thanks for your
thoughts.
> _______________________________________________
> Fists mailing list
> Fists@mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/fists

72/73,
Barry J. Minsky, W2BJ
ARRL, QRP ARCI #8871, NorCal #1560, QRP-L,
FISTS #2701, Century club #569, Platinum #51,
Silver #119, FISTS CW club of Coastal Georgia,
Knightlites, Adventure Radio Society #359,
QCWA #29298, OOTC #3723, SOC #193, K2 #577, K1 #98

From K1zw@webtv.net  Sun May 12 17:55:05 2002
From: K1zw@webtv.net (Larry B)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 11:55:05 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fists] FISTS Sprint
In-Reply-To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22K=D8HB=22?= <k0hb@earthlink.net>'s message of Sun, 12 May 2002 15:30:47 +0100
Message-ID: <29931-3CDE9E69-237@storefull-2314.public.lawson.webtv.net>

Yes , when working dx I have often heard the dx go out of his way (so to
speak) to come back to the station signing as qrp and mobile for that
matter. If its not special pleading why sign mobile or qrp ?  Why not
just take your chances ? Their are also those who would use this as a
ruse to make contact Im sure. Saying all that , the dx can answer whom
he wished too and we can call the dx any way we wish too. I dont work dx
qrp or mobil so its a moot point I suppose.

K1zw
Larry
Qcwa-Ootc-Fist


From k8meg@yahoo.com  Sun May 12 18:29:14 2002
From: k8meg@yahoo.com (Rich Fowler)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 10:29:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fists] FISTS Sprint
In-Reply-To: <005f01c1f9c1$9cbb27c0$3a11be3f@bigguy>
Message-ID: <20020512172914.80067.qmail@web10701.mail.yahoo.com>

I lost track of my time and didn't work the Sprint. :-)

Hans, I agree with you about /QRP. I think there may have been a time
when /QRP was appropriate, but not today. I don't use /QRP or /p or
/m  under any of those conditions. It's not required and I just want
to enjoy the moment. I like working contests to sharpen my skills and
to have fun. I like the "TU & GL" during a contest...but that's about
it.

I hope to make the next FISTS contest so I can get my CC. :-)

73,
Rich K8MEG FISTS 1790 no CC.

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience
http://launch.yahoo.com

From Claude TERRIER - F5PBL" <f5pbl@qsl.net  Sun May 12 19:08:25 2002
From: Claude TERRIER - F5PBL" <f5pbl@qsl.net (Claude TERRIER - F5PBL)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 20:08:25 +0200
Subject: [Fists] Sprint, QRP and contesting
Message-ID: <001e01c1f9e3$0277e9b0$2a86933e@AFR105759>

Hello agn Hans and all Friends,

At first, "chapel's battle" is a French saying. We call it more exactly
"Bell-tower quarrel", you know those little "funny quarrels" existing btwn 2
small villages ;o)) // what is the exact English saying for that, pse. //
It was some kind of joke but also a way to say that I would have been sorry to
see the thread abt the FISTS Sprint becoming some "battle" abt CW or QRP or
contesting or whatever it can be. Some weeks ago, on an other list, I have
hardly suffered such kind of fight (abt an other subject, also starting with
some kind of "light controversy" but quickly becoming a real unpleasant thread)
and I now want to "prevent" instead of curing.

Abt the use of  "/QRP" I do agree with you .. From time to time I am wondering
if the guy/DX will answer to me bcoz he has some "compassion" for me : "Oh, poor
little guy, not lucky enough to have an Alpha XX feeding Y*Z elts Yagi .. Let's
see what we can do for him". But honnestly speaking I do not really think that
all DX are full of compassion ;o)) (no offense intended !).
Abt not using /QRP just to see how it can go through without that "sign", I
share your theory too. Well, here my _main_ TRX is a K1 and a so-called
"multi-band GP" of the kind "aluminium magic tube from 0 to 30 MHz w/o tuner and
w/o radials". Last year I entered the CQ WW and for every QSO done (out of 319,
not a big shot but I did have fun) the way of calling was always : "F5PBL K"
then <DX calling me> then "BK 59914 de F5PBL/QRP" to make it clear abt the QRP.
And more than 50% of the time I got then : "FB QRP CQ TEST DE dx_call". Pleasant
time !

With all we can see/hear/read nowadays, I am also wondering if all the stations
calling QRP are really QRP ... :o((
Everyone knows the "tip" abt calling /QRP or /M ... as is known the way to
suddenly being /6 or /0 if the DX, calling by numbers, is now running 6s or 0s
... But that's an other subject (maybe !).

>I have a lot of contest plaques and winners certificates on the wall

Humm ... I do have some cups (3) and some certificates but you know ... I am a
SOCer (too !) and realistic abt my possibilities : the rewards are where I was
alone (or almost !) in my category ;o)) Last one received yesterday, CQ WPX 2001
SSB (sorry ! Pse forgive me ... !!), 1st place in Viet Nam as 3W2KF, 1st place
of ... 3 entries ! But, well, mono-op, 1470 Qs in the WPX (limited to 3 bands),
1st ever DXpedition (4800+ Qs at the end of the 10 days), I did have fun and I
even have a contest certificate as a souvenir so what else should I want ?!!
// And BTW all reports sent by 3W2KF were real ones :o)) //
Pse note that for the CQ WW 2001 for sure I was not alone in the QRP category
;o))

Take care till next QSO and hope our QRP sigs will reach each other !!

73/72!
Claude, F5PBL

http://www.qsl.net/f5pbl

DIG #4451 - FISTS #7722 - SOC #503 - 10-X #71724



From at902@tcnet.org  Sun May 12 21:29:13 2002
From: at902@tcnet.org (KENNETH ROBERT MCGUIRE)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 16:29:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fists] Signing /QRP (was FISTS Sprint)
In-Reply-To: <005f01c1f9c1$9cbb27c0$3a11be3f@bigguy>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205121613090.17383-100000@hendryx.tcnet.org>

On Sun, 12 May 2002, K=D8HB wrote:

> Sometimes it strikes me that signing "/QRP" is sort of a plea for "specia=
l
> consideration because my signal is so weak".
>=20
> I'm not a full time QRPer, but I do run QRP about 75% of the time, and
> specifically do NOT sign _QRP_ because I want to know how well I can
> do without calling attention to my power level.
>=20
> I wonder if others don't also react the same?

I often run /qrp.  In most contests, I don't tell anyone until I turn in
my log or include it on QSL's.  I admit that I will "cheat" a bit - if I
am in a pile up and the station asks for the /qrp station, I will send
KC8LTL/QRP then, even if I hadn't been signing that way all day.

I see value in calling CQ with the /qrp - it lets the other station know
that even if I am not banging in there that there is a good chance that I
will hear them and be easy to work, but for S&P, my call sign is already
more than long enough without the /qrp.  For CQ-M last night I had to, and
I hated hearing my keyer going forever when I sent my call...  I also
didn't enjoy my long call for my first ARRL DX CW in 2000 when I was
KC8LTL/AA on a cheap MFJ straight key...

Ken McGuire, KC8LTL
FISTS #6919
at902@tcnet.org


From nancy@tir.com  Sun May 12 23:41:09 2002
From: nancy@tir.com (Nancy WZ8C)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 18:41:09 -0400
Subject: [Fists] FISTS get together at Dayton
Message-ID: <006f01c1fa06$71c3f520$45d479a5@h4s6u1>

Hi FISTS,

We will have the Friday night FISTS get together in the same place as last
year, the Ramada Inn at Dayton Mall. The QRPers are giving us space in the
ballroom at their vendors night.

The motel is at the intersection of I-75 and Ohio 725, across from Byers
Road.  It starts at 8:30pm and goes to ?? (I'll be leaving early since I
have to be back at the booth at 7am!)

At the Hamvention, we will be at the same booth as always, #100, on the ramp
between the cafeteria area and the big arena where Kenwood, Icom,
WorldRadio, etc are set up.

We will have copies of Pierpont's book for sale at the booth, as well as
other FISTS supplies. The remaining FISTS T-shirts will be available too -
only sizes Large and Medium, but for $5 how can you go wrong?  This is the
time to stock up on supplies because you'll save money by not having to pay
for postage.

If you plan on renewing your subs at the Hamvention, a check payable to
FISTS would be appreciated, but I won't turn away cash renewals!

Thanks to those of you who have voluteered to help with the booth, we don't
have a set schedule, just stop by and we'll put you to work.

Hope to see u there,

73 88
Nancy


From k0hb@earthlink.net  Mon May 13 00:34:33 2002
From: k0hb@earthlink.net (=?iso-8859-1?B?S9hIQg==?=)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 00:34:33 +0100
Subject: [Fists] Sprint, QRP and contesting
References: <001e01c1f9e3$0277e9b0$2a86933e@AFR105759>
Message-ID: <013701c1fa0d$9349f120$3a11be3f@bigguy>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Claude TERRIER - F5PBL" <f5pbl@qsl.net>

> I am a SOCer (too !) and realistic abt my possibilities 

Isn't it about time for another SOC sprint?

73, Hans, K0HB
SOC #291






From Vlad UA6JD <ua6jd@fromru.com>  Mon May 13 08:12:39 2002
From: Vlad UA6JD <ua6jd@fromru.com> (Vlad UA6JD)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 07:12:39 +0000
Subject: [Fists] Re - UA6JD SKED
Message-ID: <767644429.20020513071239@fromru.com>

For last few days activity I was broke 50% level to new FISTS Plaque
and have now 24 Canadians and 19 Clubs. All other requirement was
with more then 100%.
Thanks for all who reply to my e-mails sked request.
Next activity will be in first day of June.
Lot of QSO was made Harry UA6JW FISTS#820 which stay with me in shack.
With Aurora during Sprint was nothing from FISTS members on 20 meters-
just few BIG GUNS in NA during CQ-M contest - include two FISTS: N4BP
and K9QVB.
  

-- 
Best regards,
 Vlad FISTS#1385
 mailto:ua6jd@fromru.com



From w2agn@w2agn.net  Mon May 13 13:03:03 2002
From: w2agn@w2agn.net (W2AGN)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 08:03:03 -0400
Subject: [Fists] Sprint, QRP and contesting
In-Reply-To: <013701c1fa0d$9349f120$3a11be3f@bigguy>
References: <001e01c1f9e3$0277e9b0$2a86933e@AFR105759>
 <013701c1fa0d$9349f120$3a11be3f@bigguy>
Message-ID: <02051308030300.02225@jsielke>

On Sunday 12 May 2002 19:34, KØHB wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Claude TERRIER - F5PBL" <f5pbl@qsl.net>
>
> > I am a SOCer (too !) and realistic abt my possibilities
>
> Isn't it about time for another SOC sprint?
>
> 73, Hans, K0HB
> SOC #291
>

-- 

Yeah, in the SOC sprints, everybody sends the exchange at least twice, and 
STILL asks for 2 repeats!

It's the SOC thing to do!  ;-)

   --------------------------
      John L Sielke   W2AGN
         w2agn@w2agn.net
      http://www.w2agn.net
   

From JohnEXI@aol.com  Mon May 13 18:31:17 2002
From: JohnEXI@aol.com (JohnEXI@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 13:31:17 EDT
Subject: [Fists] Re: Fists digest, Vol 1 #100 - 8 msgs
Message-ID: <99.26687c8f.2a115265@aol.com>

Larry:
Why sign mobile? I do believe that is required by the FCC rules, at one time 
you were also required to identify your whereabouts in the mobile.

John, WB2EXI

From JohnEXI@aol.com  Tue May 14 17:24:07 2002
From: JohnEXI@aol.com (JohnEXI@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:24:07 EDT
Subject: [Fists] Re: Sprint
Message-ID: <84.284ffe8f.2a129427@aol.com>

The Sprint;                        (What does it mean to me)

First I would like to say that the way a lot of people complained here sure 
did take a lot of the joy out of participating in this past Sprint.

To me getting into the Sprint is a form of relaxation and fun, I am not there 
to see who I can do better than, that doesn't matter to me.

We tell newcomers to FISTS join in the Sprint this way you can meet new FISTS 
and collect a few new numbers, then complain because they are to slow, send 
everything twice, etc,etc. Personally I think that CC numbers should be part 
of the exchange so as to give people a chance to get these numbers, otherwise 
the Sprint becomes just another contest! Who needs That?

Me, I do not need to make 60 contacts in thirty minutes if I make twenty-five 
during the whole period of the Sprint I am happy.

Another thing someone sends 599 that only means that he is sending 599 and 
that most likely is not a true RST, every contest I listen to, every one is 
599 and I can just barely hear them, so during a contest 599 means nothing.

I for one will have to think at least twice before entering the next Sprint!

John, WB2EXI

2760

From Claude TERRIER - F5PBL" <f5pbl@qsl.net  Tue May 14 17:53:44 2002
From: Claude TERRIER - F5PBL" <f5pbl@qsl.net (Claude TERRIER - F5PBL)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:53:44 +0200
Subject: [Fists] SOC contest
Message-ID: <005b01c1fb68$23762380$8592933e@AFR105759>

Hello Hans,

Next one should happen in September.
Previous one was in March and our "Contest Manager in Chief", N4BP, told me that
should September brings him as much logs as for March, then September issue will
be the last one :o((

Or maybe it is only some kind of ultimatum to increase the number of entries ...
(but I am affraid it is not ...)

73 QRO
Claude, F5PBL

http://www.qsl.net/f5pbl

DIG #4451 - FISTS #7722 - SOC #503 - 10-X #71724


<<<

Message: 6
From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?S9hIQg==?=" <k0hb@earthlink.net>
To: <fists@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Fists] Sprint, QRP and contesting
Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 00:34:33 +0100

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claude TERRIER - F5PBL" <f5pbl@qsl.net>

> I am a SOCer (too !) and realistic abt my possibilities

Isn't it about time for another SOC sprint?

73, Hans, K0HB
SOC #291



From n9avg@att.net  Tue May 14 16:57:17 2002
From: n9avg@att.net (Jeff Davis)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 11:57:17 -0400
Subject: [Fists] Re: Sprint
References: <84.284ffe8f.2a129427@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002301c1fb60$08598040$9ced540c@c>

John,

As one of the people who "complained" about the sending of CC numbers in the
recent Sprint, I had to follow up to your note.

While you have outlined what the Sprint means to you, you haven't accurately
detailed the definition of the Sprint. I don't mean to hurt any feelings,
and I'd hate it if you stopped participating in Sprints simply because of my
note to this list. But the fact is, the Sprint *is* a contest. Quoting from
the FISTS Web page here is the objective of the Sprint:

OBJECTIVE: To exchange specified information with as many U.S. or Canadian
FISTS members as possible, using Morse Code only, and within the time frame
stipulated.

And to quote the page further, the only required exchange is:

EXCHANGE: The following information must be exchanged by both stations to
count as a valid contest QSO:
For FISTS members: RST, U.S. state/Canadian province/DXCC country, first
name, FISTS number.
For non-FISTS members: RST, U.S. state/Canadian province/DXCC country, first
name, Power output.

Nothing is mentioned about CC, Silver, Gold, Diamond, or Social Security
numbers being exchanged.

If you want to operate the Sprints casually, and spend time exchanging other
numbers, it wouldn't be too difficult to simply ask, "WUD U LIKE MY CC?"
Heck, if that gets you going on a three hour ragchew then I say more power
to you! Enjoy the airwaves and have fun with CW. Make new friends!

But why castigate those who want to improve their skills (and follow the
rules) by contacting as many other FISTS members as possible in a four hour
period?

--
Vy 73 de Jeff, N9AVG
FISTS #6641


----- Original Message -----
From: <JohnEXI@aol.com>
To: <fists@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 12:24 PM
Subject: [Fists] Re: Sprint


> The Sprint;                        (What does it mean to me)
>
> First I would like to say that the way a lot of people complained here
sure
> did take a lot of the joy out of participating in this past Sprint.
>
> To me getting into the Sprint is a form of relaxation and fun, I am not
there
> to see who I can do better than, that doesn't matter to me.
>
> We tell newcomers to FISTS join in the Sprint this way you can meet new
FISTS
> and collect a few new numbers, then complain because they are to slow,
send
> everything twice, etc,etc. Personally I think that CC numbers should be
part
> of the exchange so as to give people a chance to get these numbers,
otherwise
> the Sprint becomes just another contest! Who needs That?
>
> Me, I do not need to make 60 contacts in thirty minutes if I make
twenty-five
> during the whole period of the Sprint I am happy.
>
> Another thing someone sends 599 that only means that he is sending 599 and
> that most likely is not a true RST, every contest I listen to, every one
is
> 599 and I can just barely hear them, so during a contest 599 means
nothing.
>
> I for one will have to think at least twice before entering the next
Sprint!
>
> John, WB2EXI



From Claude TERRIER - F5PBL" <f5pbl@qsl.net  Tue May 14 17:48:56 2002
From: Claude TERRIER - F5PBL" <f5pbl@qsl.net (Claude TERRIER - F5PBL)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:48:56 +0200
Subject: [Fists] CCing ...
Message-ID: <005a01c1fb68$229eaf40$8592933e@AFR105759>

Hello Rich,

Why waiting for the next Sprint for your CC ?! ;o))
Last April it took me 4 days to make it from 1 to 100+, all QSOs have been
"real" ones, not just "599 - 7722 BK".
Well, the tip was that I was on holidays signing with my LZ5KF call and we are
only 3-4 members with a LZ call so "it helps a bit".
Calling on 14.058 early morning (Z time) is really rewarding, VK/ZL friends are
there for their late afternoon and US friends are there for their late
evening/night.

The "bad" side of the story is that I have now 120+ QSLs to write for the FISTS
buro ;o))

Will look for you on .058, should it be from France or from Bulgaria .. !

73 QRO
Claude, F5PBL - CC #1242 (and even Silver #267)

http://www.qsl.net/f5pbl

DIG #4451 - FISTS #7722 - SOC #503 - 10-X #71724

<<<
Message: 2
Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 10:29:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rich Fowler <k8meg@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Fists] FISTS Sprint
To: "KØHB" <k0hb@earthlink.net>, fists@mailman.qth.net

I lost track of my time and didn't work the Sprint. :-)

(...)

I hope to make the next FISTS contest so I can get my CC. :-)



From k0hb@earthlink.net  Wed May 15 00:28:25 2002
From: k0hb@earthlink.net (=?iso-8859-1?B?S9hIQg==?=)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 00:28:25 +0100
Subject: [Fists] Re: Sprint
References: <84.284ffe8f.2a129427@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c1fb9f$0c9be640$8d16be3f@bigguy>

----- Original Message -----
From: <JohnEXI@aol.com>

> First I would like to say that the way a lot of people complained here sure
> did take a lot of the joy out of participating in this past Sprint.

Hi John (and all),

I hope my "hints and kinks to improve your score" didn't come across as a
complaint.  It was truly intended to be helpful to those (and only those) who
are in the Sprint in a competitive spirit.  Others with a more relaxed attitude
should just take those hints and suggestions for whatever they're worth to them.
But I surely didn't mean them as complaints.


> Another thing someone sends 599 that only means that he is
> sending 599 and  that most likely is not a true RST,

That may be true in some cases, maybe even many cases.  But when I send you 599
it means your signal is 599, no more, no less.  If your signal is not 599, you
will get an appropriate signal report from me.  Every time.

With all kind wishes,

de Hans, K0HB





From hrg@cifnet.com  Wed May 15 17:17:37 2002
From: hrg@cifnet.com (Mike D.)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 11:17:37 -0500
Subject: [Fists] Last chance to comment on Phone expansion
Message-ID: <MABBKCNPDJPALIGNIPHIOEGPHJAA.hrg@cifnet.com>

Reminder...

****LAST CHANCE TO COMMENT ON REALLOCATING CW/DIGITAL SPECTRUM TO PHONE****
Comments are due by May 16


SB QST @ ARL $ARLB025
ARLB025 Comments invited on Novice Band, field-reparable gear petitions

ZCZC AG25
QST de W1AW  
ARRL Bulletin 25  ARLB025
>From ARRL Headquarters  
Newington CT  April 18, 2002
To all radio amateurs 

SB QST ARL ARLB025
ARLB025 Comments invited on Novice Band, field-reparable gear petitions

Comments are due by May 16 on two Amateur Radio-related Petitions
for Rule Making put on public notice this week by the FCC. The ARRL
petition, designated RM-10413, would eliminate the 80, 40 and
15-meter Novice/Technician Plus CW subbands and reuse the spectrum
in part to expand the 80 and 40-meter phone allocations. Another
Petition for Rule Making filed by Nick Leggett, N3NL, designated
RM-10412, would require most commercially manufactured Amateur Radio
transmitters and transceivers to be field-repairable ''in some
manner.''

Amateurs may view and comment on these proposals via the FCC's
Electronic Comment Filing System (ECFS),
http://www.fcc.gov/e-file/ecfs.html. (Click on ''Search for Filed
Comments.'' In the ''Proceeding'' field enter the rulemaking number,
with ''RM'' in upper-case and the hyphen included.)

The ARRL's petition, filed in March, asks the FCC to eliminate the
Novice and Technician-Plus CW bands and reapportion these
''inefficiently deployed segments'' to alleviate overcrowding
elsewhere. If the FCC goes along, current Novice and Technician Plus
(ie, Technician with Element 1 credit) licensees would be permitted
to operate on the 80, 40, 15 and 10-meter General-class CW
allocations at up to 200-W output. For General and higher class
operators, the ARRL plan would implement changes in the 80, 40 and
15-meter phone bands, expanding phone segments for many amateurs.

The League's petition also seeks FCC permission to use spread
spectrum on 222-225 MHz; to expand the pool of special event call
signs beyond the 1x1 format to include identifiers for US
territories and possessions that do not provide for mailing
addresses; to clarify rules to indicate that modulated CW (MCW) is
permitted for repeater station identification; and to incorporate
into the rules a 1990 FCC waiver authorizing amateurs in certain
areas of Colorado and Wyoming to operate on certain segments of the
33-cm band.

The Leggett petition was filed in February. ''Field repair is
important to the Amateur Radio Service because it enhances emergency
communications preparedness and the growth of technical knowledge in
the Amateur Radio Service,'' Leggett said in his petition.

Leggett suggests that the FCC consider mandating easily replaceable
modules or circuit boards, minimum component spacings on circuit
boards, removable integrated circuits mounted in sockets and other
requirements for commercially made amateur transmitters and
transceivers. He would exempt ham radio receivers.

Leggett concedes that some manufacturers may drop out of the amateur
market if the FCC were to adopt his recommendations, but he suggests
that they would be replaced by other manufacturers, such as those
making QRP equipment.  
NNNN 
/EX


From k0hb@earthlink.net  Wed May 15 22:37:35 2002
From: k0hb@earthlink.net (=?iso-8859-1?B?S9hIQg==?=)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 22:37:35 +0100
Subject: [Fists] Re: Last chance to comment on Phone expansion
References: <MABBKCNPDJPALIGNIPHIOEGPHJAA.hrg@cifnet.com>
Message-ID: <011501c1fc58$bbe73d20$4e12be3f@bigguy>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike D." <hrg@cifnet.com>


> ****LAST CHANCE TO COMMENT ON REALLOCATING CW/DIGITAL SPECTRUM TO PHONE****

Besides my proposal, I found the proposal of Don Chester, K4KYV, the most
supportable.

Here's a thought provoking excerpt from his comments.

(©¿©)  73, de Hans, K0HB
SOC # 291 http://www.qsl.net/soc/

--

Excerpt follows:

--

The proposed expansion of phone privileges under RM-10413 is
insufficient to make a substantial difference in existing levels of
interference or underutilization. As a minimum, I would propose to
expand the phone subbands to 3.6, 7.1 and 21.1 mHz or below.
Furthermore, most nations of the world other than the United States have
discarded the concept of government mandated amateur subbands
altogether. One of the most recent countries to eliminate subbands is
Canada. The U.S. subband structure, which includes separation by
license class as well as by emission modes, remains unnecessarily
complex and discourages the most efficient use of the amateur frequency
spectrum in this country. Any necessary separation by emission mode can
be satisfactorily accomplished by voluntary band plans agreed upon by
the amateur community, much in the same manner that vhf/uhf repeater
interference has been alleviated by the present-day coordination
program. Band plans relieve the government from the burden of enforcing
what are essentially internal matters within the amateur radio
community, while allowing amateurs the flexibility of adapting to
changing technology and operating conditions without going through the
cumbersome rulemaking process.

--

End of excerpt




From Claude TERRIER - F5PBL" <f5pbl@qsl.net  Thu May 16 17:56:31 2002
From: Claude TERRIER - F5PBL" <f5pbl@qsl.net (Claude TERRIER - F5PBL)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 18:56:31 +0200
Subject: [Fists] Fw: [Wallpaper] Pisan Tower Event & Award
Message-ID: <005d01c1fd01$c61c42a0$b376933e@AFR105759>

Hi Friends,

Should this be of interest to some of you ...

73/72!
Claude, F5PBL

http://www.qsl.net/f5pbl

DIG #4451 - FISTS #7722 - SOC #503 - 10-X #71724

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike D." <hrg@cifnet.com>
To: <wallpaper@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 4:10 PM
Subject: [Wallpaper] Pisan Tower Event & Award


Pisan Tower Special Event & Award

Metro Amateur Radio Club (MAC) joins forces with the Pisa, Italy Amateur
Radio Club for joint Special Event Stations.

Event highlights Sister Cities - Niles, Illinois and Pisa. Italy-and offers
ham radio "Pisan Tower Award"

Event Date: June 1 & 2, 2002

Callsigns: K9Y and IZ5AXT/TWR

QSL managers: N9BOR & IK5ZTT  (we do not respond to electronic QSLs)

Web: http://www.qsl.net/mac


On June 1 & 2, 2002, Metro Amateur Radio Club (MAC) and the Pisa Amateur
Radio Club will participate in a joint venture of International
significance. Niles, Illinois and Pisa, Italy are Sister Cities and in an
effort to bring the communities a little closer, each club will set-up and
operate amateur radio stations from their respective leaning towers.

For decades amateur radio operators have enhanced International goodwill
utilizing wireless communication. This event continues the tradition by
drawing attention to two communities thousands of miles apart with something
very special in common. The Pisa club will locate at the legendary Leaning
Tower of Pisa, while the MAC group operates from America's Leaning Tower in
Niles, Illinois.

Using both voice and Morse code, ham operators around the world will try to
contact both towers in order to win a special "Pisan Tower Award." MAC
secretary, and event organizer, Mike Dinelli: "We anticipate making contact
with over 2,000 radio amateurs worldwide during this event."

Interested parties can obtain the latest information about the event by
visiting the MAC website at http://www.qsl.net/mac




From ATanner283@aol.com  Thu May 16 22:04:57 2002
From: ATanner283@aol.com (ATanner283@aol.com)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 17:04:57 EDT
Subject: [Fists] Re: Sprint
Message-ID: <7e.27a1d5d9.2a1578f9@aol.com>

I have watched this thread with some humor and sadness also. During the few 
years that I was the SPRINT coordinator/person/peeon I was constantly 
inundated with emails from members/nonmembers with suggestions as to all the 
great and wonderful things I should do to make the SPRINT better. A good many 
of these were pretty good, but just as many were not. Especially since I 
alone was doing the work. Recently I posted a question about the validity of 
using a club call involving ops at different locations. Could they all 
contribute their score to the "one." I rcvd many answers, one of which was 
that "the SPRINT is not a contest." Why do we keep score then? 
The pressure used to be on constantly to make the SPRINT longer, have MORE 
SPRINTS, create a club category, allow the use of email logs, bar "multi op" 
stations from competing, split the QRO into two different categories, make 
two categories for QRP and QRP/QRP, change the times to Sundays, change the 
times to morning, change the times to evening, shorten the exchange, include 
the CC number in the exchange, and on and on. A good many of the same names 
came up over and over. I think it's time to give some thought to what we HAVE 
got. Above all we HAVE a great club that stepped in to take over the SPRINTS 
when my job changed. The log biz is NOT an easy one. We HAVE a fine CW 
club/group whatever, we HAVE more SPRINTS, we HAVE a club class, the new 
"oversee-er" has agreed to accept e-mail logs so now we HAVE that. Perhaps 
it's time to stop this petty crap and enjoy CW, the SPRINT, and CW operators 
the way it was meant to be from the beginning. There are no "big prizes" to 
be won. Only the fun of operating a mode that others enjoy also, sharing 
numbers and info regardless of skill level. I can assure you all with the 
utmost confidence, that the big prize that was supposed to be a trip to the 
Bahamas was never forth coming. W5YI had promised us this if we didn't send 
Nancy to debate him in public again.....but he never came across. We had 
better work together, or FISTS will slowly fragment and die because others 
will not want to join a group who can't get along. Take a look at the other 
reflectors also. The CW reflector, Heath, the Collins Hoarders. All these 
groups are in constant turmoil. I don't want to see that happen to us over 
petty stuff..............now back to the key......I hate this 
thing............Al/W8FAX      heavy/heavy(too many boatanchors...house 
sinking)

From K1zw@webtv.net  Thu May 16 22:56:41 2002
From: K1zw@webtv.net (Larry B)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 16:56:41 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fists] sprints
Message-ID: <11964-3CE42B19-436@storefull-2317.public.lawson.webtv.net>

Dont do contesting but its interesting reading a bout the sprint stuff.
Still working on the cc number and picked up a couple of new ones on 20
today.
I notice in going through my old cw qsl cards a lot of cards from fist
members (back before I became a member) .  I wonder if I could count
these as part of the 100 I need or would that be going to far :):)
. For the cc you need so many contacts wid a fist member , so , maybe
they would count ?

K1zw
Larry
Qcwa-Ootc-Fist


From dshrader@earthlink.net  Thu May 16 23:22:25 2002
From: dshrader@earthlink.net (Dave Shrader)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 18:22:25 -0400
Subject: [Fists] sprints
References: <11964-3CE42B19-436@storefull-2317.public.lawson.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <3CE43121.237B034@earthlink.net>

I'm a member of FISTS, 8897, and have NO, NONE, NIHIL, NADA desire to
'contest', SPRINT, or run up a 'CC'.

I just enjoy CW. About 40% of my DXCC is CW [104/244].

Have fun on CW. That's what it is about.

Dave, W1MCE


Larry B wrote:
> 
> Dont do contesting but its interesting reading a bout the sprint stuff.
> Still working on the cc number and picked up a couple of new ones on 20
> today.
> I notice in going through my old cw qsl cards a lot of cards from fist
> members (back before I became a member) .  I wonder if I could count
> these as part of the 100 I need or would that be going to far :):)
> . For the cc you need so many contacts wid a fist member , so , maybe
> they would count ?
> 
> K1zw
> Larry
> Qcwa-Ootc-Fist
> 
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> Fists@mailman.qth.net
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From hrg@cifnet.com  Fri May 17 15:10:57 2002
From: hrg@cifnet.com (Mike D.)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 09:10:57 -0500
Subject: [Fists] Re: Sprint
In-Reply-To: <7e.27a1d5d9.2a1578f9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <MABBKCNPDJPALIGNIPHIKELMHJAA.hrg@cifnet.com>

What's wrong with making suggestions? Not everyone is gg to agree, but
discouraging input is where real harm will occur. If someone has a
suggestion and it is summarily dismissed you are gg to lose good people.
Asking members to accept the status quo and to stop making suggestions is a
sure recipe for a not so great club.

The membership asked for more Sprints because they enjoy them and now we
have four. The membership asked to be able to e-mail logs and now we can.
This seems like progress to me. Making the Sprint fit into "normal" contest
guidelines will likely result in more people participating in all FISTS
activities. Why is there so little participation in the Sprints compared to
other contests? Perhaps if the Sprints were "improved" there would be more
participation, which result in more FISTS members.

Most contests have a QRP, Low and High power category. This seems like a
reasonable way to improve the Sprint and keep it competitive. Perhaps with
the current low level of participation, rather than adding a category,
limiting QRO to 150-watts would make more sense. It requires no extra work
by the "oversee-er" and helps level the playing field.

To my knowledge there is only one contest logging application that supports
FISTS Sprints -- TR. Unfortunately because the Sprints handle foreign and
domestic multipliers differently, it can't FULLY support it. I think the
Sprints would have more participants if the rules were consistent with most
other tests. More participants and more FISTS members -- not a bad thing.

73 de Mike, N9BOR
FISTS MAC SMC ZUT
http://www.qsl.net/n9bor
MAC http://www.qsl.net/mac

di dah dit - The only Roger Beep you'll ever need.
Let your fingers do the talking -- Morse code.
My designated driver is a 12BY7A.
Over 1 million beeps served!



From Claude TERRIER - F5PBL" <f5pbl@qsl.net  Fri May 17 17:30:58 2002
From: Claude TERRIER - F5PBL" <f5pbl@qsl.net (Claude TERRIER - F5PBL)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 18:30:58 +0200
Subject: [Fists] FISTS Sprint - agn
Message-ID: <003a01c1fdc3$f5fcf3d0$93a3933e@AFR105759>

Al, Mike and all other friends,

>>
Take a look at the other reflectors also. The CW reflector, Heath, the Collins
Hoarders. All these
groups are in constant turmoil. I don't want to see that happen to us over petty
stuff..............
<<

Yes ... 100% agree. That's why I entered the thread at the beginning just to
_try_ to "balance" a bit some args and _try_ to cool down the pressure I foresaw
was abt to come.
I do also agree with Mike : inputs/comments should be welcome for it is a way
for the club to show it is living and not "frozen". We are here in a gentlemen
place, n'est-il-pas ?
Ok, I am not here for such a long time. Ok, dear Al, I was not here when all the
comments you are speaking abt have been made. I guess this does not deny me the
right to argue a bit anyway.

The FISTS sprint is acceptable the way it is except maybe one point (outch ...
an other remark ;o)) : being QRP, QSOing only USA/VE is harder from Europe (just
wondering why, as this is a FISTS competition, there is such a difference btwn
USA/VE and the others). BUT it is OK for me bcoz FISTS Sprint is not basically a
QRP contest AND there are other ones where _you_ have to work Europe ;o))

The #1 thing to remember will always be to have fun, whatever the way you use to
have fun, as long as your fun does not do some QRM to the fun of other ones.

Next Sunday Christians will celebrate an Holy Day ... should the Spirit be with
you ! Should it be the Holy one or the CW one ...   // no religious offense
intended //

73/72!
Claude, F5PBL

http://www.qsl.net/f5pbl          http://www.qsl.net/soc

DIG #4451 - FISTS #7722 - SOC #503 - 10-X #71724



From LY3BA@takas.lt  Fri May 17 21:27:47 2002
From: LY3BA@takas.lt (Gediminas Lucinskas)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 22:27:47 +0200
Subject: [Fists] Baltic Contest
Message-ID: <002901c1fde1$4eff2ee0$5aa3fea9@ly3ba>

Hello FISTS!
On behalf of Lithuanian Radio Sports Federation I would like to
invite you to take part in short and very attractive contest
this coming weekend - BALTIC CONTEST.
Complete rules are listed below.
73!Gedas,LY3BA  FISTS#984
------------------------------------
THE  38th  BALTIC  CONTEST  BC-2002
General rules of BC-2002

        The Lithuanian Radio Sports Federation has the honor to invite radio
amateurs all over the world to enter Baltic Contest 2002.

1. Aim of the Contest:  To promote radio sport in the Baltic countries and
to expand relations between  amateurs of the Baltic and the world.
2. The object of the Contest:   To establish as many contacts as possible
with amateur stations world wide.
3. Period:      From 2100z May 18, 2002 till 0200z May 19, 2002.
4. Section:     A - single operator, CW/SSB
        B - single operator, CW
        C - single operator, SSB
        D - multi operator, single TX
        E - SWL
5. Frequencies: CW (3510-3600) kHz, SSB (3600-3650 and 3700-3750) kHz.
6. Contest call:        CW - TEST BC, SSB - CQ Baltic Contest.
7. Exchange:    RS(T) and serial number starting from 001.Each station may
be worked once in SSB and once in CW.
8. Scoring:     For participants in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania each QSO (SWL
rprt) with Europe counts one point and QSO (SWL rprt) with another continent
counts two points. For participants in Europe each QSO (SWL rprt) with
Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania counts ten points, each QSO (SWL rprt) with
another participants counts one point. For participants outside Europe each
QSO (SWL rprt) with Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania counts twenty points, each
QSO (SWL rprt) with another participants counts one point. SWL rprt must
contain both call signs and at least one of the control numbers.
9. Final Score: The sum of QSO (SWL rprt) points(no multiplier, no duplicate
QSO (SWL rprt). When the number of points is equal,the criteria for priority
are: for better percentage of QSO (SWL rprt) confirmation;  for more DX QSO
(SWL rprt).
10. Awards:     Certificates will be awarded to the leading stations of each
section for every country (DXCC) in accordance with the number of
participants. Winners in A, B, C, D, E sections in the Baltic countries (ES,
LY, YL), in the Europe and outside Europe will receive trophies.
        S p e c i a l   t r o p h i e s :
        T R O P H Y     D O N O R
        Non Baltic countries    LATVIAN RADIO AMATEUR LEAGUE
        Europe  S.Franckevicius LY4AA
        Europe CW       R.Saltauskas    LY2BG
        Estonia R.Baltusis      LY2BM
        Latvia  LY7A contest team
        YL      M.Stern 4Z4KX, LY2NL Memorial   Youth(until 16 years)
J.Urbonas       LY3BU
        Lithuania CW    G.Lucinskas     LY3BA
        SWL     V. Morkunas     LY3BY
11. Logs:                       The IARU R1 standard format sheets
recommended, or send by E-mail or in 3 1/2" 1,44 MB Microdisk in the ASCII
form, suitable for computer analysis.
        Deadline: July 1, 2002.
        A d d r e s s :

        P.O.Box 210, LT-3000 Kaunas, LITHUANIA.
        E-mail: lrsf@lrsf.lt

We hope that the participants will enjoy the contest. Welcome to BC-2002.
73!                           L R S F




From WM-Scace@wiu.edu  Fri May 17 20:38:30 2002
From: WM-Scace@wiu.edu (Wayne Scace)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 20:38:30 +0100
Subject: [Fists] My first CW DX!!
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020517203820.00b08fd0@POP3.wiu.edu>

                 Hi Gang!!
         Wayne K9DI es Sequoia here. I just wanted to let U know that I 
snagged my first ever CW DX!!!  I worked 9A4NC on 14.008.00 at 0100z 599 
both ways.  Zoran was also my first DX with K2 SN00177 es also my QRP DX as 
I was pushing five watts through a gusher dipole in the classic Inverted V 
configuration.... with this QSO I also doubled my DXCC count ...LOL
73/72
de
Wayne K9DI

Respectfully and Sincerely Yours,


Wayne M. Scace

k9di@arrl.net
k9di@qsl.net
LICQ# 315313
FISTS# 4409
QRP-L# 2313
QRPp-L# 243
FPQRP-L# 217
SOC# 452
ARS # 1,082
Zombie # 800
http://www.qsl.net/k9di



From ATanner283@aol.com  Fri May 17 22:11:54 2002
From: ATanner283@aol.com (ATanner283@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 17:11:54 EDT
Subject: [Fists] Re: Sprint
Message-ID: <55.275fb9f8.2a16cc1a@aol.com>

Sorry, but ANY change requires more work for the SPRINT administration. As I 
see it, if he/they want to change it's up to them, NOT a member or membership 
at large. It's very easy to sit back and explain/complain how someone else 
should be doing things. Checking these logs is NOT an easy task. Folks forget 
to include tgheir call signs, FISTS numbers,even their own names. They don't 
tally their own scores,etc etc. This all has to be researched and completed  
by someone. The vast majority of members whose logs I have read are extremely 
happy with SPRINT and were glad to have a few more. Only the terminal 
complainers will never be satisfied, and niether will they help, being 
satisfied to sit on the side lines and point out how it "should" be. By the 
way....this is NOT the ARRL.  Al/2192   Extra...............Heavy

From n9avg@att.net  Sun May 19 16:46:54 2002
From: n9avg@att.net (Jeff Davis)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 10:46:54 -0500
Subject: [Fists] CC Question
Message-ID: <002901c1ff4c$6a2dfa40$9800a8c0@N9AVG>

If I work a US amateur who is a FISTS, but he is temporarily on an
island in the Caribbean, is that 1 point, or 2?

Or is that just an awful question to ask on a chilly, rainy day? :-)

Thanks.
--
Jeff, N9AVG
FISTS #6641


From Vlad UA6JD <ua6jd@fromru.com>  Sun May 19 16:17:49 2002
From: Vlad UA6JD <ua6jd@fromru.com> (Vlad UA6JD)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 15:17:49 +0000
Subject: [Fists] UA6JD Sked  for VE-FISTS
Message-ID: <745608588.20020519151749@yandex.ru>

Dear Canadian members-
Very BADLY need QSOs with VE/Canada as well as any FISTS Club Stations.
Will call for FISTS tomorrow 20 May from 0z till 2-30z on 14058+/-QRM.
If you have a time please call me and relay this message to other
FISTS members.
Thanks.
  BTW just few minutes ago work VE7NI John #7935 on 14058 with 599 signal!
-- 
Vlad FISTS#1385
ua6jd@qsl.net



From Claude TERRIER - F5PBL" <f5pbl@qsl.net  Sun May 19 18:33:30 2002
From: Claude TERRIER - F5PBL" <f5pbl@qsl.net (Claude TERRIER - F5PBL)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 19:33:30 +0200
Subject: [Fists] Re:CC Question
References: <20020519160204.DB375328798@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <001501c1ff5b$66ac28b0$1c85933e@AFR105759>

Hi Jeff,

Reading the rules, I guess that the QSO will brings you 2 points as the US op
will be QRV from a different DXCC than yours.
Last April I was QRV from Plovdiv, Bulgaria using my call LZ5KF. I applied for
the CC and a QSO with a F station was worthing 2 pts from LZ5KF despite the fact
that my "home" call is F5PBL. So I guess your QSOs with US ops in the Caribbean
will be OK for 2 pts.

Hope it helps.

73!
Claude, F5PBL

http://www.qsl.net/f5pbl          http://www.qsl.net/soc

DIG #4451 - FISTS #7722 - SOC #503 - 10-X #71724

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Davis" <n9avg@att.net>
To: <Fists@mailman.qth.net>
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 10:46:54 -0500
Subject: [Fists] CC Question

If I work a US amateur who is a FISTS, but he is temporarily on an
island in the Caribbean, is that 1 point, or 2?




From nancy@tir.com  Mon May 20 02:18:27 2002
From: nancy@tir.com (Nancy WZ8C)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 21:18:27 -0400
Subject: [Fists] Questions/Sold out books and mugs
Message-ID: <007f01c1ff9c$3fb08a80$6cd279a5@h4s6u1>

Hi FISTS!

I'm just back from Dayton -- it was a very successful weekend, I had a great
time...it was wonderful seeing everyone!

I noticed a couple questions were posted to the reflector and wanted to let
people know that if they  have a specific question it would be better to
email the volunteer involved with the activity, or me, instead of posting
the question to the reflector.  That way they will be sure of getting the
correct info. For example, questions about awards should go to Dennsi K6DF;
Sprint scoring to Dan N8IE; qsl buro questions to Stan K4UK; subscription
questions, address changes, to me, etc. Links to the volunteers email
addresses are on our web page http://www.fists.org.

Many of the volunteers don't all read the reflector, so they may not see the
question if you post it to the reflector.

We sold out of the Pierpont Book, mugs, and t-shirts at the Hamvention.

We will be re-ordering the book, but hold off on sending for it, I don't
know when it will be ready or what the price will be this time around - new
postage rates go into effect July 1.

If you have suggestion for a t-shirt or mug design or color preference, let
me know (nancy@tir.com)

73
Nancy


From WM-Scace@wiu.edu  Mon May 20 02:20:18 2002
From: WM-Scace@wiu.edu (Wayne Scace)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 02:20:18 +0100
Subject: [Fists] My first CW DX!!
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020520021930.02a24af0@POP3.wiu.edu>

                 Hi Gang,
         Wayne K9DI es Leader Dog Sequoia here.  I just wanted to share 
that I snagged my first DX with CW  on 17 May 2002!!
I worked 9A4NC at 0100z on 14.008.00 599's both ways!!  I was using my K2 
with 5w to a borrowed Gusher dipole in the Inverted V configuration.   This 
doubles my DXCC count to 2/100.....LOL LOL
73/72
de
Wayne K9DI

Respectfully and Sincerely Yours,


Wayne M. Scace

k9di@arrl.net
k9di@qsl.net
LICQ# 315313
FISTS# 4409
QRP-L# 2313
QRPp-L# 243
FPQRP-L# 217
SOC# 452
ARS # 1,082
Zombie # 800
http://www.qsl.net/k9di



From YoDoc@aol.com  Mon May 20 03:33:35 2002
From: YoDoc@aol.com (YoDoc@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 22:33:35 EDT
Subject: [Fists] Re: Fists digest, Vol 1 #106 - 1 msg
Message-ID: <a3.2893c617.2a19ba7f@aol.com>

Jeff:

A U.S. amateur operating from a Caribbean island would be a 
2-point FISTS contact, since he's technically "DX" based on his
operating QTH.

73 de Larry, K3LT
FISTS 2008 CC 703

In a message dated 05/19/2002 12:05:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
fists-request@mailman.qth.net writes:

<< 
 If I work a US amateur who is a FISTS, but he is temporarily on an
 island in the Caribbean, is that 1 point, or 2?
 
 Or is that just an awful question to ask on a chilly, rainy day? :-)
 
 Thanks.
 --
 Jeff, N9AVG
 FISTS #6641 >>

From WM-Scace@wiu.edu  Mon May 20 02:37:16 2002
From: WM-Scace@wiu.edu (Wayne Scace)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 02:37:16 +0100
Subject: [Fists] Whoops, sri.
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020520023557.02ee2898@POP3.wiu.edu>

                 Hi gang,
         Wayne K9DI es Sequoia here,  Just wanted to apologize fer double 
posting my DX news, I'd gotten a notice that the first post had been 
rejected.... mea culpa
73/72
de
Wayne K9DI

Respectfully and Sincerely Yours,


Wayne M. Scace

k9di@arrl.net
k9di@qsl.net
LICQ# 315313
FISTS# 4409
QRP-L# 2313
QRPp-L# 243
FPQRP-L# 217
SOC# 452
ARS # 1,082
Zombie # 800
http://www.qsl.net/k9di



From nancy@tir.com  Wed May 22 17:23:45 2002
From: nancy@tir.com (Nancy WZ8C)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 12:23:45 -0400
Subject: [Fists] FISTS shirts
Message-ID: <002801c201ad$0c9422c0$8dd179a5@h4s6u1>

Hi,

We finally sold out of the t-shirts at Dayton. Is there any interest in
getting a polo shirt with embroidery one side? The shirt I'm looking at is a
7 oz pique, with a collar and the three button placket in front.

I am thinking of "I'm a KNOW Code Ham" arched on the top line with the words
"FISTS CW Club" on the line beneath that.
We can have 3 lines of text. Logos would cost more. If we have individual
call signs embroidered on, we can't get the volume discount, they all have
to be identical.

The cost of the polo with up to 3 text lines would be around $12-15. (plus
postage). Having the logo on there would bring it up to around $18-20. 3XL
and 4XL would be about $5-6 more.

This is from Gemplers, if anyone knows of a cheaper place, let me know.

Any suggestions for wordings are welcome - or just let me know if you'd be
interested in a polo shirt, or should we stick to regular Tshirts?
Suggestions for mugs are welcome, we need to order those also.

Patches are in the process of being ordered. They look like the key logo on
the web page, and on front of the KNote. They are NOT ready yet, so please
don't order them. I don't know the final cost yet.

Pse email me directly at nancy@tir.com  I don't want to clutter up the
reflector with this sort of thing.

73
Nancy


From Paul N. Gayet" <aa1su@arrl.net  Fri May 24 10:52:20 2002
From: Paul N. Gayet" <aa1su@arrl.net (Paul N. Gayet)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 05:52:20 -0400
Subject: [Fists] Famous FIST
Message-ID: <023e01c20308$ca139d60$bb444044@bur.adelphia.net>

Cut & Pasted From ARLB30:


In Vermont, the new SM is Paul N. Gayet, AA1SU, of Colchester. He is
the president of the Radio Amateurs of Northern Vermont, an ARRL
Special Service Club. Gayet succeeds Bob DeVarney, WE1U, who did not
run for another term.


73
Paul N. Gayet
AA1SU
aa1su@arrl.net
President Radio Amateurs of Northern Vermont
Future ARRL Vermont Section Manager
FISTS 4028


From Vlad UA6JD <ua6jd@fromru.com>  Wed May 29 09:28:40 2002
From: Vlad UA6JD <ua6jd@fromru.com> (Vlad UA6JD)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 08:28:40 +0000
Subject: [Fists] Fwd: [Pete's-dx-newsdesk] Dick Rugg, G2BRR SK
Message-ID: <532561837.20020529082840@fromru.com>

Dick G2BRR was FISTS#7133.
de Vlad UA6JD#1385

This is a forwarded message
From: Pete's-DX-Newsdesk <g13038@pgr1.co.uk>
To: "1-PETE's Newsdesk" <petes-dx-newsdesk@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, May 26, 2002, 8:32:06 PM
Subject: [Pete's-dx-newsdesk] Dick Rugg, G2BRR SK

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ANTI VIRUS - There are NO Attachments with this Mail.

Hello Folks,

It is with much sadness, that I report my old friend and Elmer, "Dick Rugg
G2BRR" went SK on Wednesday 22nd May 2002, as a result of a heart Attack.

Dick was first licensed before WW2 and has held every committee post within the
ISWL since it's creation in 1946. He was my fellow Vice President at the time of
his demise.  Many SWL's and hams have received a lot of help from this great man
over the years. (Especially CW training).

We will miss him on the airwaves!!

73 de Pete    ISWL G-13038,
FISTS:  C/S - GSWL2,  No: #4822,   CC #478,  Silver #244.
Ex -ARS MP4BIM - Bahrain Island 1970-71
ISWL Hon Vice President.
g13038@pgr1.co.uk



Please send all news items, or queries to the Newsdesk at: dx.newsdesk@pgr1.co.uk
         Or: dx.newsdesk@btinternet.com
Mni Tnx es 73 de Pete at the Newsdesk.
My homepage: http://www.pgr1.co.uk
Newsdesk homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/petes-dx-newsdesk


 

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From WM-Scace@wiu.edu  Wed May 29 09:17:10 2002
From: WM-Scace@wiu.edu (Wayne Scace)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:17:10 +0100
Subject: [Fists] Keep an ear out on Saturday 1 June, 2002
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020529091700.01b86228@POP3.wiu.edu>

                         Hi Gang,
         Wayne K9DI es Sequoia here.  Just wanted to give folks a heads up 
about this coming Saturday (1 June, 2002)  in the afternoon keep an ear out 
fer W9SSP (one of LEARC's club calls) we will be doing a Field Day practice 
from the site we will be using on 22-23 June...  We hope to start setup 
around 1000hrs Central es be operating by afternoon.   We'll be using CW, 
SSB (IC706, es mebbe a 756pro), es experimenting with PSK31 with laptop es 
K2 (anyone have a line on a gud Linux proggy fer PSK31??).
72

Respectfully and Sincerely Yours,


Wayne M. Scace

k9di@arrl.net
k9di@qsl.net
LICQ# 315313
FISTS# 4409
QRP-L# 2313
QRPp-L# 243
FPQRP-L# 217
SOC# 452
ARS # 1,082
Zombie # 800
http://www.qsl.net/k9di



From zl2aoh@ihug.co.nz  Wed May 29 01:06:09 2002
From: zl2aoh@ihug.co.nz (Ralph Sutton)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 12:06:09 +1200
Subject: [Fists] Special Event Station GB50
Message-ID: <000801c206a4$fad288e0$02e8adcb@sutton1>

Hi all,

The unique callsign GB50 has been issued by the United
Kingdom Radiocommunications Agency for a special event station to be
established at Windsor Castle to celebrate the Queen's Jubilee (50th
Anniversary of her succession to the throne) from May 29th through June
9th. The station will be run by Cray Valley Radio Society (CVRS), in
association with Burnham Beeches Radio Society (BBRC), and with the =
support
of the Radio Society of Great Britain (RSGB). Activity will be on daily
between 0700-2200z on all bands from 80-6 meters on CW, SSB, PSK31 and
RTTY. A 144 MHz station will also be active on CW, SSB and FM. The =
station
will be open to the public. The QSL Manager will be Owen, G4DFI. A Web
site is now up and running and will be kept updated with the latest news
at: http://www.gb50.com

CW frequencies will be (+/- depending on QRM)

3.529
7.029
10.109
14.029
18.079
21.029
24.909
28.029

Vy 73 de


Ralph Sutton ZL2AOH
12c Herbert Gardens
186 The Terrace
Wellington 6001
New Zealand

Tel: 0-4-473-0847
Fax: 0-4-473-0848



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From casey@tomochka.com  Fri May 31 04:23:29 2002
From: casey@tomochka.com (Casey)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 20:23:29 -0700
Subject: [Fists] 2002 Coast-to-Coast announcement
Message-ID: <NCBBLIFAKMOGMKGEGGEDCEPPEJAB.casey@tomochka.com>

Hi All,

I have just posted the rules and award details for this year's
Coast-to-Coast (C2C):

http://tomochka.com/k7fff/fnw_c2c02.html

The date and time has been set for: Friday and Saturday, September 20 - 21,
2000-1600 UTC.

Note that there are some new twists to the rules, including new bonus points
and point counting for club operators. The plain text copy of the rules is
below. The number of clubs and their identities are still TBD. Any FISTS
club members reading this, please let me know of your intentions with regard
to participating this year.

vy 73,

Casey Bahr, KS7J  FISTS nr 3648, CC nr 450, CC/m nr 006
Trustee for FISTS Northwest, K7FFF, FISTS nr 4400, CC nr 457
http://www.tomochka.com/k7fff

**************************************************************
2002 C2C Rules:

Mode: CW Only.
Contest dates --- Starts Friday September 20th at 2000 UTC, ends Saturday,
the 21st at 1600 UTC (1:00 PM Friday to 9:00 AM Saturday, PDT).
Clubs will operate to their own schedules. They are not required to be on
the air the entire 20 hours of the event.

Bands: 80, 40, 20, 15, and 10 meters. We encourage Clubs to use the Novice
segments also. No WARC bands. Clubs will call near regular FISTS
frequencies.

New this year! You receive one award certificate credit for each club worked
and you receive one bonus point for each additional QSO with a club on a
different band (only one point per club per band). See the C2C Award details
below for how these points count!

Only FISTS clubs will call. Clubs will call --- "CQ C2C"

Exchange --- Clubs and operators exchange the following elements:
FISTS Members and Clubs:RST, Name, State (or 2 character prefix if DX), and
FISTS number. Clubs: Send only your club's FISTS number.

U.S. Example: 579, Stan, VA, 2934
DX Example: 599, Ralph, ZL, 1073

Non-FISTS: RST, Name, State, and Power (be sure to suffix with 'W').

U.S. Example: 459, Bill, OR, 50W
DX Example: 569, Yuri, UA, 100W

Club operators, please note this new rule: Club operators count any exchange
with another club to your club and personal QSO count, including bonus
multiple band points. For example, if you are operating your club call and
are called by another club, both club operators count the QSO for both their
club and their home calls without using their home calls in the QSO. This
rule is intended to reward our club volunteer ops without the need for
confusing "double-call QSOs" or separate QSOs while you are on duty.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
QSLs and Awards

All participating Clubs will handle their own logging and QSLs. Applicants
are NOT required to submit QSLs or logs to claim a C2C Certificate. Please
QSL to Club contacted only (NOT to the contest organizers or FISTS HQ)!

All contacts with Clubs will count toward regular FISTS awards (FISTS clubs
are worth 3 points each), as applicable. In addition, special Coast-to-Coast
certificates will be awarded to all participants who work the following
number of clubs (NOTE: log submittal is NOT required):

A minimum of 5 Clubs ---- Bronze Certificate
For contact of 10 Clubs ---- Silver Certificate
For contact of 15 Clubs ---- Gold Certificate
For contact of 20 Clubs ---- Platinum Certificate

New Award Opportunity: Receive a special total points endorsement on your
certificate for working the C2C clubs on different bands! You receive one
point for each club every time you work it, once per band.

Example: you worked 9 clubs just once on any bands, but also worked K7FFF on
80, 40, 20, 15, and 10 meters. You achieved the Silver Certificate (for
having worked 10 clubs total) plus 4 extra points for the additional K7FFF
QSOs on the other 4 bands for a total point count of 10 + 4 = 14.

Note that your certificate level is determined by the total number of clubs
contacted, not the total points attained.

The highest ten point scores will earn those entrants a PVP (potentially
valuable prize, to be determined later) awarded by FISTS Northwest, K7FFF!
Point totals will be reported in the Keynote for informational purposes only
after the event

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From k0hb@earthlink.net  Fri May 31 03:38:00 2002
From: k0hb@earthlink.net (=?Windows-1252?B?S9hIQg==?=)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 03:38:00 +0100
Subject: [Fists] 2002 Coast-to-Coast announcement
References: <NCBBLIFAKMOGMKGEGGEDCEPPEJAB.casey@tomochka.com>
Message-ID: <002801c2084c$2f949ac0$f111be3f@bigguy>

I will put club calls K0RT and W0EF on the air for 10 hours each.

73, Hans, K0HB




From casey@tomochka.com  Fri May 31 04:38:25 2002
From: casey@tomochka.com (Casey)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 20:38:25 -0700
Subject: [Fists] 2002 Coast-to-Coast announcement
In-Reply-To: <NCBBLIFAKMOGMKGEGGEDCEPPEJAB.casey@tomochka.com>
Message-ID: <NCBBLIFAKMOGMKGEGGEDKEPPEJAB.casey@tomochka.com>

By the way, as to letting me know your intentions, I MEANT FISTS CLUBS only,
not each and every FISTS member. ;^) Sorry about that...

73,

Casey, KS7J/K7FFF

> -----Original Message-----
> From: fists-admin@mailman.qth.net [mailto:fists-admin@mailman.qth.net]On
> Behalf Of Casey
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 8:23 PM
> To: FISTS Reflector
> Subject: [Fists] 2002 Coast-to-Coast announcement
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have just posted the rules and award details for this year's
> Coast-to-Coast (C2C):
>
> http://tomochka.com/k7fff/fnw_c2c02.html
>
> The date and time has been set for: Friday and Saturday,
> September 20 - 21,
> 2000-1600 UTC.
>
> Note that there are some new twists to the rules, including new
> bonus points
> and point counting for club operators. The plain text copy of the rules is
> below. The number of clubs and their identities are still TBD. Any FISTS
> club members reading this, please let me know of your intentions
> with regard
> to participating this year.
>
> vy 73,
>
> Casey Bahr, KS7J  FISTS nr 3648, CC nr 450, CC/m nr 006
> Trustee for FISTS Northwest, K7FFF, FISTS nr 4400, CC nr 457
> http://www.tomochka.com/k7fff
>
> **************************************************************
> 2002 C2C Rules:
>
> Mode: CW Only.
> Contest dates --- Starts Friday September 20th at 2000 UTC, ends Saturday,
> the 21st at 1600 UTC (1:00 PM Friday to 9:00 AM Saturday, PDT).
> Clubs will operate to their own schedules. They are not required to be on
> the air the entire 20 hours of the event.
>
> Bands: 80, 40, 20, 15, and 10 meters. We encourage Clubs to use the Novice
> segments also. No WARC bands. Clubs will call near regular FISTS
> frequencies.
>
> New this year! You receive one award certificate credit for each
> club worked
> and you receive one bonus point for each additional QSO with a club on a
> different band (only one point per club per band). See the C2C
> Award details
> below for how these points count!
>
> Only FISTS clubs will call. Clubs will call --- "CQ C2C"
>
> Exchange --- Clubs and operators exchange the following elements:
> FISTS Members and Clubs:RST, Name, State (or 2 character prefix
> if DX), and
> FISTS number. Clubs: Send only your club's FISTS number.
>
> U.S. Example: 579, Stan, VA, 2934
> DX Example: 599, Ralph, ZL, 1073
>
> Non-FISTS: RST, Name, State, and Power (be sure to suffix with 'W').
>
> U.S. Example: 459, Bill, OR, 50W
> DX Example: 569, Yuri, UA, 100W
>
> Club operators, please note this new rule: Club operators count
> any exchange
> with another club to your club and personal QSO count, including bonus
> multiple band points. For example, if you are operating your club call and
> are called by another club, both club operators count the QSO for
> both their
> club and their home calls without using their home calls in the QSO. This
> rule is intended to reward our club volunteer ops without the need for
> confusing "double-call QSOs" or separate QSOs while you are on duty.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
> ----
> QSLs and Awards
>
> All participating Clubs will handle their own logging and QSLs. Applicants
> are NOT required to submit QSLs or logs to claim a C2C Certificate. Please
> QSL to Club contacted only (NOT to the contest organizers or FISTS HQ)!
>
> All contacts with Clubs will count toward regular FISTS awards
> (FISTS clubs
> are worth 3 points each), as applicable. In addition, special
> Coast-to-Coast
> certificates will be awarded to all participants who work the following
> number of clubs (NOTE: log submittal is NOT required):
>
> A minimum of 5 Clubs ---- Bronze Certificate
> For contact of 10 Clubs ---- Silver Certificate
> For contact of 15 Clubs ---- Gold Certificate
> For contact of 20 Clubs ---- Platinum Certificate
>
> New Award Opportunity: Receive a special total points endorsement on your
> certificate for working the C2C clubs on different bands! You receive one
> point for each club every time you work it, once per band.
>
> Example: you worked 9 clubs just once on any bands, but also
> worked K7FFF on
> 80, 40, 20, 15, and 10 meters. You achieved the Silver Certificate (for
> having worked 10 clubs total) plus 4 extra points for the additional K7FFF
> QSOs on the other 4 bands for a total point count of 10 + 4 = 14.
>
> Note that your certificate level is determined by the total
> number of clubs
> contacted, not the total points attained.
>
> The highest ten point scores will earn those entrants a PVP (potentially
> valuable prize, to be determined later) awarded by FISTS Northwest, K7FFF!
> Point totals will be reported in the Keynote for informational
> purposes only
> after the event
>
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From ATanner283@aol.com  Fri May 31 20:07:09 2002
From: ATanner283@aol.com (ATanner283@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 15:07:09 EDT
Subject: [Fists] 2002 Coast-to-Coast announcement
Message-ID: <f3.1bd3a81b.2a2923dd@aol.com>

Fairborn FISTS KC8TRH, FISTS CLUB  number 9200,will be on as time 
permits...Al/W8FAX

From n8ie@woh.rr.com  Fri May 31 23:09:40 2002
From: n8ie@woh.rr.com (N8IE)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 18:09:40 -0400
Subject: [Fists] 2002 Coast-to-Coast announcement
In-Reply-To: <NCBBLIFAKMOGMKGEGGEDCEPPEJAB.casey@tomochka.com>
Message-ID: <MMEDLKDLONJOAIGICDJAIEABCNAA.n8ie@woh.rr.com>

Count W8PIG, #7373 in the list.
Can't say this early how many hours, but will at least run 2 or more.

72, oo
Dan, N8IE
FPqrp #-6, QRP-l #1404, FISTS #4985

-----Original Message-----
From: fists-admin@mailman.qth.net [mailto:fists-admin@mailman.qth.net]On
Behalf Of Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 11:23 PM
To: FISTS Reflector
Subject: [Fists] 2002 Coast-to-Coast announcement


Hi All,

I have just posted the rules and award details for this year's
Coast-to-Coast (C2C):

http://tomochka.com/k7fff/fnw_c2c02.html

The date and time has been set for: Friday and Saturday, September 20 - 21,
2000-1600 UTC.

Note that there are some new twists to the rules, including new bonus points
and point counting for club operators. The plain text copy of the rules is
below. The number of clubs and their identities are still TBD. Any FISTS
club members reading this, please let me know of your intentions with regard
to participating this year.

vy 73,

Casey Bahr, KS7J  FISTS nr 3648, CC nr 450, CC/m nr 006
Trustee for FISTS Northwest, K7FFF, FISTS nr 4400, CC nr 457
http://www.tomochka.com/k7fff

**************************************************************
2002 C2C Rules:

Mode: CW Only.
Contest dates --- Starts Friday September 20th at 2000 UTC, ends Saturday,
the 21st at 1600 UTC (1:00 PM Friday to 9:00 AM Saturday, PDT).
Clubs will operate to their own schedules. They are not required to be on
the air the entire 20 hours of the event.

Bands: 80, 40, 20, 15, and 10 meters. We encourage Clubs to use the Novice
segments also. No WARC bands. Clubs will call near regular FISTS
frequencies.

New this year! You receive one award certificate credit for each club worked
and you receive one bonus point for each additional QSO with a club on a
different band (only one point per club per band). See the C2C Award details
below for how these points count!

Only FISTS clubs will call. Clubs will call --- "CQ C2C"

Exchange --- Clubs and operators exchange the following elements:
FISTS Members and Clubs:RST, Name, State (or 2 character prefix if DX), and
FISTS number. Clubs: Send only your club's FISTS number.

U.S. Example: 579, Stan, VA, 2934
DX Example: 599, Ralph, ZL, 1073

Non-FISTS: RST, Name, State, and Power (be sure to suffix with 'W').

U.S. Example: 459, Bill, OR, 50W
DX Example: 569, Yuri, UA, 100W

Club operators, please note this new rule: Club operators count any exchange
with another club to your club and personal QSO count, including bonus
multiple band points. For example, if you are operating your club call and
are called by another club, both club operators count the QSO for both their
club and their home calls without using their home calls in the QSO. This
rule is intended to reward our club volunteer ops without the need for
confusing "double-call QSOs" or separate QSOs while you are on duty.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
QSLs and Awards

All participating Clubs will handle their own logging and QSLs. Applicants
are NOT required to submit QSLs or logs to claim a C2C Certificate. Please
QSL to Club contacted only (NOT to the contest organizers or FISTS HQ)!

All contacts with Clubs will count toward regular FISTS awards (FISTS clubs
are worth 3 points each), as applicable. In addition, special Coast-to-Coast
certificates will be awarded to all participants who work the following
number of clubs (NOTE: log submittal is NOT required):

A minimum of 5 Clubs ---- Bronze Certificate
For contact of 10 Clubs ---- Silver Certificate
For contact of 15 Clubs ---- Gold Certificate
For contact of 20 Clubs ---- Platinum Certificate

New Award Opportunity: Receive a special total points endorsement on your
certificate for working the C2C clubs on different bands! You receive one
point for each club every time you work it, once per band.

Example: you worked 9 clubs just once on any bands, but also worked K7FFF on
80, 40, 20, 15, and 10 meters. You achieved the Silver Certificate (for
having worked 10 clubs total) plus 4 extra points for the additional K7FFF
QSOs on the other 4 bands for a total point count of 10 + 4 = 14.

Note that your certificate level is determined by the total number of clubs
contacted, not the total points attained.

The highest ten point scores will earn those entrants a PVP (potentially
valuable prize, to be determined later) awarded by FISTS Northwest, K7FFF!
Point totals will be reported in the Keynote for informational purposes only
after the event

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From urquhart@downeast.net  Fri May 31 23:40:50 2002
From: urquhart@downeast.net (Perley Urquhart)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 18:40:50 -0400
Subject: [Fists] C2C
Message-ID: <001e01c208f4$3869dea0$2787ccd8@net>

K1FFF   FISTS New England CW Club will be on C2C as we are able.  



From dbowker@mail.sjv.net  Fri May 31 16:02:39 2002
From: dbowker@mail.sjv.net (Dave Bowker)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 11:02:39 -0400
Subject: [Fists] FCC Requests Comments on CW Allocation at 5 MHz
Message-ID: <002601c208b4$572e9000$d3ea950c@DFFQXD11>

As many of you probably know, the ARRL and FCC are proposing to allocate a
segment of spectrum in the 5 MHz region on a secondary basis for the amateur
service.  The FCC is seeking comments to NPRM ET02-98 prior to their final
decision and rule making.  Of particular importance to CW enthusiasts, the
FCC is specifically soliciting comments as to whether or not they a sub-band
should be allocated for narrow-band modes, such as CW/RTTY/other digital
modes, within the proposed 150 kHz allocation at 60M.

Of particular interest is the FCC's request for comments contained in
paragraph 40, which reads:

"The 5000 kHz Petition does not discuss sub-banding and ARRL's suggested
rules would allow all emission types to use the entire band. [94] We note
that several commenters suggest that sub-banding would be useful.  We
further note that Section 97.305 of our Rules segregates digital modes from
other amateur station emission modes in the 3500 kHz and 7000 kHz bands to
protect narrow-band emissions like data from wider emissions like
single-side band voice. [95] We request comment on whether sub-banding is
necessary and/or appropriate for the 5000 kHz band as well."

ET02-98 may be viewed at:  http://www.arrl.org/announce/regulatory/et02-98/.

I believe this is an excellent opportunity for CW enthusiasts and FISTS
members to make their recommendations to the FCC for a small piece of the
allocation to be dedicated to narrow-band modes. If you want to comment on
the FCC's NPRM, go to this site, enter only 02-98 in Box 1, fill out the
other non-optional boxes and submit a brief comment in the bottom box or
attach your file (Adobe, Lotus, Word, WordPerfect, etc) in the box above
that:

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi

Be sure to confirm your submission on the page that appears after you
submit.  When you do everything correctly, you should see a page with your
name and a confirmation number.

73, Dave, K1FK
FISTS #8007
Fort Kent, ME





