[FADCA] Use of ESATCOM for TCP/IP

[oderr at bellsouth.net]

Thanks, Bill. Refreshing comments.

Russ

(Can we bring this to a head and move on now?)

> 
> From: "Bill Guthrie" <willy3jax at covad.net>
> Date: 2004/07/31 Sat AM 10:44:45 EDT
> To: "Florida Amateur Digital Communication Association" <fadca at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [FADCA] Use of ESATCOM for TCP/IP
> 
> Just a suggestion:
> 
> In the hay-day of packet use and users, I,  having been a user of both
> systems, watched the "packet wars" between those supporting "ROSE" and those
> supporting "nodes", I saw little good come out of it. The biggest result was
> people leaving the hobby to get away from the fight.  What we need is more
> USERS.  Developing OUR system will bring hams back to digital communication
> because there something to do with it and they will be able to use the
> technology(email). I do not believe SEDAN can do this. Look at the interest
> that Winlink is generating. DO you see any of this activity around SEDAN?
> 
> Just as there are different makes of automobiles in use, so will there be
> different modes of digital communication. Mr. Flemming in Tallahassee is
> certainly a SEDAN enthusiast and does not wish to support other methods. We
> should NOT be intent on replacing or eliminating SEDAN.  This only causes
> him to dig in more. It has become a personal issue, not a logical discussion
> for him. If we want/need his support, we need to embrace his methods while
> continuing to develop ours.
> 
> We are far ahead of SEDAN in using and embracing current technologies to
> further our hobby and ecomm. If we continue to build a better mouse trap,
> ours (WL2K/winlink/telpac/paclink...) will prevail in the end.  I will now
> quote from a fellow ham:
> 
> "hi bill.....
> well I'm not gonna worry about nts traffic..after i get the telpac node set
> up, i may put up an hf classic winlink on hf, for nts stuff. but my main
> system will  be wl2k, with telpac and paclink....
> these so called nts people from 1 land, etc, aren't using digital systems,
> most traffic is going by email anyhow...sobeit...i'm movin on...73"
> 
> Let us stop wasting our energies knocking SEDAN and move on. WE will win
> with USERS.  If no one uses or ever tests the SEDAN network, then it will
> die on its on accord. When it does, the WL2K system will already be
> installed and operational all over the state.  The system that WORKS and is
> in place will be the system used when the disaster occurs.
> 
> Bill Guthrie, KC4OUA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <wchast at utilpart.com>
> To: <fadca at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 10:42 PM
> Subject: RE: [FADCA] Use of ESATCOM for TCP/IP
> 
> 
> > Doug Christ wrote:
> > > Hello Everyone,
> > Doug's comments cut...
> >
> >
> > > d:)   if your suggestion includes WinLInk, forget it....we are
> > > extremely pleased with SEDAN and think that WinLink is a poor
> > > imitation of SEDAN....we are running SEDAN over the link and don't
> > > want to sacrifice it at all....I am not convinced that WinLink is an
> > > answer, some of the mideast coast guys are pushing WinLink but it so
> > > far has shown us nothing, is not proven and is very limited in
> > > scope...it relys on HF and if the HF part works, which I don't buy,
> > > why do they need a TCP/IP satelitte backbone? the SEDAN thing is rock
> > > solid, has absolute state wide coverage and right now is in over half
> > > of the EOC-related sites in Florida...
> > >
> >
> > I really hope they get to exercise their "wonderful" sedan network,
> > when it falls on it's face and we all get fecal matter on our face for
> > it, I hope someone rubs it in his face.
> >
> > I can not think of anything worse than what they have selected, may they
> > have interesting days.... That is all I will say.
> >
> > I love how these turkeys have totally taken things over to the exclusion
> > of all else.
> >
> > I just hope I am far away when the "I told you so" has to be given.
> >
> > Now back to seeing neat stuff out here in Page, AZ.
> >
> > Got to ride up front on a coal train here twice testing AVL for them.
> > Indeed have found that there are issues one must take into account
> > when dealing with equipment that is only 10 feet away from a 50 KV
> > catenary. The power plant that the coal train supplies burns 11,000
> > tons of coal a hour. that is about 10 cars of coal, the train pulls
> > 90 of them and makes 3 trips a day to the mine, some 70 miles distant
> > from the gen station.
> >
> > Watched them load the cars at the mine end today. The train just moves
> > through under the silos, at about a walk, and they dump the coal into
> > the cars. Never have any lost on the sides.
> >
> >
> >
> > Chuck Hast
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To paraphrase my flight instructor;
> > "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going
> > out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn
> > and twisted metal."
> >
> >
> > *****************************************************************
> > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are
> > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is
> > addressed. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify
> > the sender immediately and destroy any hard copies you may have printed
> and
> > remove all copies of the e-mail from your hard drive. Opinions,
> conclusions
> > and other information in this message that do not relate to the official
> > business of Utility Partners, Inc shall be understood as neither given nor
> > endorsed by it.
> >
> > Visit us on the web at http://www.utilpart.com
> > *****************************************************************
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > FADCA mailing list
> > FADCA at mailman.qth.net
> > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/fadca
> >
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> FADCA mailing list
> FADCA at mailman.qth.net
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/fadca
>