[FADCA] Use of ESATCOM for TCP/IP

[Bill Guthrie]

Just a suggestion:

In the hay-day of packet use and users, I,  having been a user of both
systems, watched the "packet wars" between those supporting "ROSE" and those
supporting "nodes", I saw little good come out of it. The biggest result was
people leaving the hobby to get away from the fight.  What we need is more
USERS.  Developing OUR system will bring hams back to digital communication
because there something to do with it and they will be able to use the
technology(email). I do not believe SEDAN can do this. Look at the interest
that Winlink is generating. DO you see any of this activity around SEDAN?

Just as there are different makes of automobiles in use, so will there be
different modes of digital communication. Mr. Flemming in Tallahassee is
certainly a SEDAN enthusiast and does not wish to support other methods. We
should NOT be intent on replacing or eliminating SEDAN.  This only causes
him to dig in more. It has become a personal issue, not a logical discussion
for him. If we want/need his support, we need to embrace his methods while
continuing to develop ours.

We are far ahead of SEDAN in using and embracing current technologies to
further our hobby and ecomm. If we continue to build a better mouse trap,
ours (WL2K/winlink/telpac/paclink...) will prevail in the end.  I will now
quote from a fellow ham:

"hi bill.....
well I'm not gonna worry about nts traffic..after i get the telpac node set
up, i may put up an hf classic winlink on hf, for nts stuff. but my main
system will  be wl2k, with telpac and paclink....
these so called nts people from 1 land, etc, aren't using digital systems,
most traffic is going by email anyhow...sobeit...i'm movin on...73"

Let us stop wasting our energies knocking SEDAN and move on. WE will win
with USERS.  If no one uses or ever tests the SEDAN network, then it will
die on its on accord. When it does, the WL2K system will already be
installed and operational all over the state.  The system that WORKS and is
in place will be the system used when the disaster occurs.

Bill Guthrie, KC4OUA






----- Original Message ----- 
From: <wchast at utilpart.com>
To: <fadca at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 10:42 PM
Subject: RE: [FADCA] Use of ESATCOM for TCP/IP


> Doug Christ wrote:
> > Hello Everyone,
> Doug's comments cut...
>
>
> > d:)   if your suggestion includes WinLInk, forget it....we are
> > extremely pleased with SEDAN and think that WinLink is a poor
> > imitation of SEDAN....we are running SEDAN over the link and don't
> > want to sacrifice it at all....I am not convinced that WinLink is an
> > answer, some of the mideast coast guys are pushing WinLink but it so
> > far has shown us nothing, is not proven and is very limited in
> > scope...it relys on HF and if the HF part works, which I don't buy,
> > why do they need a TCP/IP satelitte backbone? the SEDAN thing is rock
> > solid, has absolute state wide coverage and right now is in over half
> > of the EOC-related sites in Florida...
> >
>
> I really hope they get to exercise their "wonderful" sedan network,
> when it falls on it's face and we all get fecal matter on our face for
> it, I hope someone rubs it in his face.
>
> I can not think of anything worse than what they have selected, may they
> have interesting days.... That is all I will say.
>
> I love how these turkeys have totally taken things over to the exclusion
> of all else.
>
> I just hope I am far away when the "I told you so" has to be given.
>
> Now back to seeing neat stuff out here in Page, AZ.
>
> Got to ride up front on a coal train here twice testing AVL for them.
> Indeed have found that there are issues one must take into account
> when dealing with equipment that is only 10 feet away from a 50 KV
> catenary. The power plant that the coal train supplies burns 11,000
> tons of coal a hour. that is about 10 cars of coal, the train pulls
> 90 of them and makes 3 trips a day to the mine, some 70 miles distant
> from the gen station.
>
> Watched them load the cars at the mine end today. The train just moves
> through under the silos, at about a walk, and they dump the coal into
> the cars. Never have any lost on the sides.
>
>
>
> Chuck Hast
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> out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn
> and twisted metal."
>
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