[FADCA] NTS/ARES/RACES - Layered Network Growing - Now Let's Use It

Sun, 8 Feb 2004 13:37:49 -0500

my 2 cents worth
  we at one time in Sumter county had  a bbs set up in each shelter  on old
386 computers [remember those]  and ran  doss based msys  for the
reliability of the system   also had  the shelter bbs to forward to the EOC
and the other bbs shelters as needed I takes a lot of work to get  forward
files  set to work  .
  I agree with Bill in a emergency  the nts format isn't needed  as long as
it will stay in the local shelter lan  just the proper addressing   is used
, some of the  emergencies I have worked  we would still be trying to send
to the eoc if we had been trying to format nts style .
     Another thing to think about  in a shelter you  need a  control
operator  so why not put the bbs at that shelter in there call and  set the
forward files up NOW to  show that  , its easy to get some one to send
simple style messages  most anybody can type  and  set to send.
 John
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Sinbine" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [FADCA] NTS/ARES/RACES - Layered Network Growing - Now Let's
Use It


> At 04:10 PM 2/7/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> >HI,
> >
> >WE NEVER HAD PROBLEMS WITH THE OLD BBS ACCEPTING 'CANNED' TRAFFIC WHEN WE
> >USED THE OLD SOFTWARE. (ON DISK AND SELF FED)  THE BBS WENT DOWN AND THE
> >SYSOP DID NOT SEEM TO HAVE A COPY OF THE SOFTWARE.  HE LEFT AND I WAS
> >REQUESTED TO TRY TO GET IT BACK ON THE AIR.
>
> What bbs program was it that was being used?
>
>
> >WHEN THE BBS WAS PUT UP WITH FBB, I HAD TO MAKE A LOT OF TRIPS TO THE EOC
> >TO RESET THE SYSTEM AS IT WOULD NOT HANDLE TRAFFIC.  I HAVE NOW
> >RESTRICTED NTS TO KEYBOARDED, NOT CANNED.  THIS HAS CAUSED A GREAT
> >REDUCTION IN THE AMOUNT OF NTS UTILIZING THE BBS.
>
> Do you have him set up as a bbs to allow auto forwarding?
>
>
> >WHEN THERE IS A CHANGE, WHERE WE START TO EXPERIENCE PROBLEMS DUE TO A
> >PROGRAM, I CALL THAT PROGRAM UNFRIENDLY.  I AM NOT A POLITICALLY CORRECT
> >TYPE PERSON, HIDING THE TRUTH TO SOUND LIKE ONE OF THE APOLOGISTS.
> >
> >I FIND THE FBB UNNECESSARILY CONVOLUTED AND THE DOCUMENTATION A JUMBLE.
> >I PRESUME THIS IS PARTLY DUE TO TRANSLATION, THOUGH I BELIEVE THAT
> >SEPARATE SECTIONS BY OPERATING SYSTEM WOULD HAVE MADE UNDERSTANDING
> >EASIER.  ALSO MANY THINGS ARE WRITTEN FOR PEOPLE WHO KNOW A LOT ABOUT THE
> >SUBJECT, BUT ARE OF NO HELP TO THE BEGINNER.
>
>
> This is true and  I'm sure that the people on this list can get you going.
> This is one of the reasons for this list.
>
>
> >WE HAVE STARTED A SEARCH FOR THE OLD PROGRAM, BUT ARE ALSO INTERESTED IN
> >THE NEW PROGRAM TALKED ABOUT ON THE REFLECTOR.
>
> The new program will be "down the road" it is still in the coding process.
>
> You will find the docs for most amateur programs aren't that good. The new
> bbs program being worked on right now will probably be the same.
>
>
> >AS I STATED, THE NTS TRAFFIC NET CONTROLLER HAS REQUESTED OF ME THAT WE
> >RETURN TO THE PREVIOUS PROGRAM OR FIND SOMETHING WHERE WE WILL NOT HAVE
> >THE PROBLEMS.  ERGO, THE SEARCH.
>
> Can you give some examples as to how he is sending the messages. Like bud
> said, it needs to be in the proper format. ntszip @ ntsstate  ie:  ST
> 34988@ntsfl   If it isn't in this format it won't go anywhere. I did have
> the format messed up last night sorry about that. FBB will ONLY work in
> this format which is the proper format. This isn't a problem, this is how
> it is supposed to be. If the other program let you do it some other way
> that is where the problem was.
>
> If you go to http://www.choisser.com/packet/ you will find the packet
> beginners info. This is VERY good info. It is dated, but it will give the
> basics on packet. There might be some info that will help you and others
in
> setting things up properly.
>
>
> >THE 'REASON' FOR THE BBS/NODE HAS BEEN TO PROVIDE A LOCAL DIGITAL
> >COMMUNICATIONS NETWORK FOR THE TRANSFER OF BULK INFORMATIONAL MATERIAL
> >BETWEEN THE SERVED SHELTERS AND THE EOC.  THIS IS TO ACCOMMODATE THE
> >LOGISTICS FOR STORM/DISASTER NEEDS LOCALLY.
>
> I think you will find that in a emergency you won't be using nts format
> between shelters. All that has to be done is to do normal type packet and
> have a call assigned to each shelter. Then you will just need to have each
> shelter set up as a bbs with that call to be able to do auto forwarding to
> the bbs. This really has nothing to do with the packet setup for the most
> part. It has more to do with your plan and to have everything set up in
> advanced. This way you can have someone sit down at the computer that has
> never seen packet and say here is a list of calls/locations to send
> messages to and here is how you send them. This is all up to the program
> you pick as to how it is done.
>
>
> >TRAFFIC HAS ALWAYS BEEN 'TOLERATED' AS AN OFF-SEASON ACTIVITY TO MAKE
> >CERTAIN THAT THE SYSTEM WAS FUNCTIONING.  I AM STILL LOOKING FOR THE
> >SOFTWARE TO USE IN THE SHELTERS.  MOST OF THE OPERATORS WILL NEVER HAVE
> >TOUCHED PACKET BEFORE AND WILL HAVE NO USE FOR IT OUTSIDE OF THE DISASTER
> >FUNCTION, THEREFORE THE NEED FOR A SIMPLE SYSTEM WHERE A FORM MAY JUST BE
> >FILLED OUT AND SENT TO THE EOC.
> >
> >NO MATTER WHAT SOFTWARE OR TNC'S ARE USED, THE OBJECT IS TO KEEP THE
> >BBS/NODE IN OPERATION.  THIS IS MY PRIMARY GOAL.
>
> In order to help out we will need to see how you have the bbs configured.
> There are many routing files in fbb and when you break them down to one at
> a time they are very easy.
> It doesn't matter what the bbs program is if it is set up right then it
> will work right as long as the proper format is used and this can be a
bear
> no matter what the program.!
>
>
> 73, Bill N4XEO
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