[FADCA] Gateway, Anyone?

[Bill Sinbine]

And this is my reply to the reply in blue


At 08:00 PM 12/30/2004, you wrote:
>to much effort, to much change in direction, too little return on investment.

It is replies like this that has been turning people off.

No effort to keep support for p1. No change in direction! Let's see about 
return on investment, MAJOR return on investment if one life is saved using 
p1 verses NOT being able to send a message due to lack of support. You have 
to remember that we are talking about a EMERGENCY and not day to day use.

>
>airmail, scs modem,  and an hf radio will do the job just fine, if all 
>else fails.

You can't expect a responder to have a ptc-iie modem laying around to use 
in a emergency unless he uses it to "play" with all the time.
I'm working on getting a full blown PMBO/telpac/whatever else set up at our 
EOC and it is going to happen. We will even have jump kits but how many can 
you have sitting doing nothing? We will only get so much money from our 
EOC. When that is done then we will have to use whatever we can!

On the if all else fails what are you going to use when you get hit by a 
hurricane or earthquake or fire and your emergency jump boxes that you have 
stored at the EOC or wherever get destroyed?
You need to be able to use whatever the responders have to offer.

>
>concentrate on the development of portable stations and training.

What do you suggest to use if your portable stations get destroyed?

>
>there is enough with WinLink, AirMail, PacLink, TelPac, and eventually 
>SCAMP to allow many inputs, as desired.
>
>keep the posts more directed towards WinLink and its current design and 
>implementation.

I thought this list was based on supporting EMCOMM's? Is this not so?
To support EMCOMM's you need to look at the TOTAL package and just not one 
piece of the puzzle! What good will it be to have this super duper PMBO if 
no one can use it because of equipment?

>
>it will serve the new folks to the reflector better.

How will only discussing what it takes to implement a PMBO serve whoever we 
need to serve when there is no discussion on what a user (responder) will 
need to have that he doesn't have to take a loan out for?

>
>we are not going to go backwards with Pactor I and cumbersome design packages.

I didn't say go backwards. I said the support needs to be KEPT for these 
slower speeds if that is all a responder has to use.

>
>if some one wants to get this "gate" going, feel free, and we wish you well.

I guess all you care about Mike is the PMBO and not what is REALLY needed 
to cover the last mile.

I've read in almost EVERY post that you send out that  "SCS is the 
best"  We don't have the money to get 20 SCS modems, our EOC will only buy 
one maybe two. Will you buy us the other 18 so we can all send EMERGENCY 
messages? We do have 25 hams in the local area that have either old kam+ or 
pk-232 that will do pactor 1 but we can't use them because in a emergency 
there is no support for them.

In normal every day use I don't see where there is a problem with a PMBO to 
turn off support for pactor 1 and making the sailor or RV'er upgrade his 
system to "PLAY" but in a EMERGENCY you need to keep all the hand tools in 
the tool box along with the power tools!!

You have to remember, or now you know that in Florida we can't have nodes 
more than about 40 miles apart at the most because the only mountains we 
have are made out of METAL!!!!!!

And I thought that this list was all about covering "the last mile" to get 
to a PMBO.

I guess in Florida we are going to have PMBO's every 50 miles and forget 
about a VHF/UHF network so that a NORMAL responder with a VHF/UHF radio and 
tnc will be able to get into a PMBO to send EMERGENCY traffic or shall we 
tell all the no code hams that we have that we have no use for them since 
they can't get on HF and turn on their ptc2 to connect to a PMBO.


>
>mike


I wasn't going to get in here and say that most everyone is forgetting that 
you must have USERS (responders) to use the PMBO's in a emergency!!!
I'm not saying that we don't need to move ahead, but we can't forget the 
past. Even to this day with color TV's they must still broadcast the black 
and white picture. The FCC made sure that the past wasn't forgotten and 
that the old stuff would still be able to be used.


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Bill Sinbine
n4xeo at bellsouth.net