[FADCA] Re: NTS traffic transmittal and delivery:

Wed, 19 Feb 2003 22:16:40 -0500

> The conventional BBS NTS support is based solely on zipcodes and
> states/provinces (ST ZIPFIVE @NTSXX).  While it may be instructive for
some
> to know which cities- the actual city/county has no bearing in the BBS
> routing scheme.
>
> bud N0IA

> While it may be instructive for some to know which cities-

This is why I need it.

Bob N4WFH

----- Original Message -----
From: "bud thompson" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 20:01
Subject: Re: [FADCA] Re: NTS traffic transmittal and delivery:

> Note:
>
> The conventional BBS NTS support is based solely on zipcodes and
> states/provinces (ST ZIPFIVE @NTSXX).  While it may be instructive for
some
> to know which cities- the actual city/county has no bearing in the BBS
> routing scheme.
>
> bud N0IA
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Are you still wasting your time with spam?...
> There is a solution!"
>
> Protected by GIANT Company's Spam Inspector
> The most powerful anti-spam software available.
> http://www.giantcompany.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jdaughtry" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 17:19
> Subject: Re: [FADCA] Re: NTS traffic transmittal and delivery:
>
>
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: [email protected]
> Date: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 09:38:49 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [FADCA] Re: NTS traffic transmittal and delivery:
>  Bob
>    On a follow up i handle nts and personal into and in some case's out of
>  citrus county
> inverness
> hernando [the town]
> holder
> chrystal river
> Dunellion
> lecanto
> ------
> lake county
> leesburg
> lady lake
> the villages
> fruitland park
> eustis
> paisley
> tavares
> umitilla
> --------
>  sumter  county
> Webster
> linden
> st cathernen
> croom
> bushnell
> sumterville
> coleman
>  wildwood
> oxford
> ---------
> hernando county
>  brooksville
> springhill
> -----------
>  most anything that needs to go long haul via voice
> via a local traffic hound
> used to be tons of nts  coming out of the clover leaf  amateur  radio club
> in brooksville
> but they isnt a opperatinf bbs in there area to take traffic now days ,
the
> hernando
> amateur radio club  discontinued there  bbs and switch support  a trend
that
> is all to
> true these days
> 73 john ke4ini
>
>
>
>
> Bob
> I live in a small town called Webster [ small town with a huge flea market
> on mondays]
> Yes i am a bbs running win fbb sence 1994 handeling on the average 1000 to
> 3000 messages a month via a local lan and a internet telnet arangement
with
> several bbs's around the usa and world
> at this time i have conections in California New York City Serveport La
> Tampa Fl and Jax fl
> on a hourly basis plus a ihave a traffic hound who will deliver anythin
out
> of area in a 24 hour
> period plus severeral who will take to local nets on a nightly basis .
> i can make a list of towns if you would like just let me know
> 73 john ke4ini.#web.fl.usa.noam
> [email protected]
> bbs mail only to [email protected]
> bbs mail needs to be in fbb message form and in zipped content
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: [email protected]
> Date: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:58:17 PM
> To: FADCA List
> Subject: Re: [FADCA] Re: NTS traffic transmittal and delivery:
>
> John,
>
> Also What Town do you live in?
> Do you have packet?
> If so do you have a Home PBBS?
>
>
> If you didn't get the original message I sent I will be happy to send it
> again. It has an attachment with all the Florida zip codes and associated
> City's.
>
> PS: I saw the msg to Bud a with Zip codes that you can handle traffic to.
I
> can build the list from that msg unless you have some free time.
>
> Bob N4WFH
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jdaughtry" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 09:18
> Subject: Re: [FADCA] Re: NTS traffic transmittal and delivery:
>
>
> > I can and do handle nts into and out of the following counties
> > Sumter
> > Citrus
> > northern Polk
> > Hernando
> > i also have a route to a voice nts hound
> > John
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "bud thompson" <[email protected]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Cc: "Phyllis Ann West, KA4FZI" <[email protected]>; "earl e leach"
> > <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:51 AM
> > Subject: Re: [FADCA] Re: NTS traffic transmittal and delivery:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > NTS traffic may cycle through VHF/DIGITAL HF/DIGITAL VHF/VOICE
> HF/VOICE
> > > and
> > > > back again until it reaches it's destination.
> > > > My idea is to not have NTS traffic sent to a PBBS and HOPE someone
> > > delivers
> > > > it.
> > >
> > > Bob - you are absolutely correct - that is precisely why we don't put
> NTS
> > > traffic out on the local packet networks unless we have an assigned
NTS
> > Home
> > > for it. If we do that blindly it dies a slow death. We don't have that
> > all
> > > set up yet in Florida because we (1) don't have enough BBS, (2) don't
> have
> > > enough NTS folks on digital and (3) don't have enough backbones in
place
>
> > to
> > > get all around the network.
> > >
> > > Did you read about that on the FADCA web pages?
> > >
> > > If you like I can send you the list of NTS Home BBS w/ZIPs as it
stands
> > now.
> > > That is certainly a place to start.
> > >
> > > That said, right now, my converting from Conventional Winlink on HF to
> > WL2K
> > > is not complete as I've not got the packet side of WL2K working yet -
> too
> > > busy with other stuff! So, my participating in the auto switching of
> NTS
> > > addresses has come to a halt until I get the packet side going. My
> plan
> > > was to have the N3PPC BBS become the NTS switch (taking over the
> function
> > I
> > > did) as he is also on the packet network. We can use other NTS
switches
> on
> > > the packet network as well. (NTS "switch" is only a routing function
> based
> > > on NTS addressing.)
> > >
> > > Of course the packet network is not quite all complete (not all
> backbones
> > > get us everywhere yet), and we don't have BBS at all LANS, nor do we
> have
> > > NTSers on packet everyplace. That is what needs to be worked on for
> sure.
> > >
> > > Meanwhile....
> > >
> > > We have Earl WX4J (near JAX) who is the NFL STM on Classic Winlink HF
> and
> > > on the packet network. You might want to be sure you are working with
> > him.
> > > He, Phil KF4FZI near Ft. Myers(?), N4XEO Bill in Ft. Pierce, Nick N4SS
> > > (Pensacola) and I all guarded a 40M pactor frequency to transfer NTS
> > > messages around the state. That was all Classic Winlink and will still
> > work
> > > as a way to get traffic over distances. N4SS is ill and likely will
not
> > be
> > > back on the air, N4XEO should be back on soon, and I don't know if
Phil
> is
> > > still monitoring or not. It would be good to keep that 40M PacTOR
layer
> > > (yes, it is just another layer) going for NTS traffic as well as
> > EOC-to-EOC
> > > traffic until we get the rest of the network integrated.
> > >
> > > I'm not discouraging what you want to accomplish - only feel you may
be
> > > going off in a direction that will dilute a system that is (almost)
> > already
> > > there. I recommend you see if you can tie this all together rather
than
> > > start something that might not integrate into the packet network
later.
> > We
> > > just don't have enough folks interested to have disparate systems.
> > >
> > > 73,
> > > bud N0IA
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > "Are you still wasting your time with spam?...
> > > There is a solution!"
> > >
> > > Protected by GIANT Company's Spam Inspector
> > > The most powerful anti-spam software available.
> > > http://www.giantcompany.com
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Stacey & Bob H." <[email protected]>
> > > To: "FADCA List" <[email protected]>
> > > Cc: "bud thompson" <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 21:42
> > > Subject: [FADCA] Re: NTS traffic transmittal and delivery:
> > >
> > >
> > > > >Bob- you may be re-inventing the wheel... What you want to
accomplish
>
> > > needs
> > > > to be done, >but it may be closer at hand than you think.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bud
> > > >
> > > > What I want to accomplish is to use a digital mode to send to
another
> > > > Amateur interested in delivery or re transmittal of NTS traffic. The
> way
> > > the
> > > > Digital system is presently NTS traffic goes to it's destination and
> > sits
> > > > until it expires without delivery or doesn't make it to the
> destination
> > > PBBS
> > > > because their is no path. This is unacceptable.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not trying to re invent the wheel. I'm trying to spread the load
> of
> > > NTS
> > > > traffic I receive to other participating Amateurs. The Traffic is
> being
> > > sent
> > > > to a specific Amateur whom has agreed to deliver or pass on NTS
> traffic.
> > > > This will insure that the NTS Traffic will be sent from one Amateur
to
>
> > > > another until delivery.
> > > >
> > > > NTS traffic may cycle through VHF/DIGITAL HF/DIGITAL VHF/VOICE
> HF/VOICE
> > > and
> > > > back again until it reaches it's destination.
> > > >
> > > > My idea is to not have NTS traffic sent to a PBBS and HOPE someone
> > > delivers
> > > > it. My idea is to build a list of Amateurs that will accept NTS
> traffic
> > > sent
> > > > to them for delivery or passage on to another Amateur until
delivered.
>
> > > >
> > > > Bob N4WFH
> > > >
> > > > ---- Original Message -----
> > > > From: bud thompson
> > > > To: Stacey & Bob H. ; Frank AC4MK ; WB4TOV Harold ; KG4KCB Harry ;
> > > KA4TTS
> > > > Jack ; KD4GR Jim ; KF4OPT Jimmy ; AD4IH Joe ; WA9VND Laura ; K4LNP
> Mark
> > ;
> > > > WX4H Mort ; KD4CQG Phyllis ; W4AAA Randy ; KQ4AZ Rick ; K4DWF Tom ;
> > WB2FGL
> > > > Tony ; WD4IUD Walt ; KE4VBA Warren ; K4DDY Wolf ; Bill W4HCS ; N4EP
> Bill
> > ;
> > > > N4LTT Bill ; WR4FSU Bob ; K9SHT Bruce ; Wilbur AB4XK ; AA4CH ; NR2F
> > > Charlie
> > > > ; WD4GDB Chet ; AE4MR Dave ; N4GMU Dave ; KB4MON Dennis ; N9MN Don ;
> > Earl
> > > > K4FQU ; Ed ; W4WYR Evelyn
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 21:07
> > > > Subject: Re: NTS traffic transmittal and delivery:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Deltona
> > > >
> > > > Monday Feb 17 2050EST
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bob- you may be re-inventing the wheel... What you want to
> accomplish
> > > > needs to be done, but it may be closer at hand than you think.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I encourage a coordinated effort of getting NTS folks on digital -
> we
> > > can
> > > > use all the experienced message handling people we can get. Get out
> the
> > > > laptops/tncs/(soundcards)/2M radios and set up a portable packet to
> use
> > at
> > > > shelters, hospitals, incident command. Also be sure an experienced
> > > traffic
> > > > handler/packet operator is on duty at your EOC.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I suggest the following reading - it won't take long
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > go to www.fadca.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Then click on Packet Articles about half way down in the left pane.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Read "NTS MESSAGES ON THE DIGITAL NETWORKS" which is simply the
> > > protocol
> > > > to be used for NTS on digital. Then read "STATUS OF DIGITAL NTS IN
> > > FLORIDA"
> > > > which explains (1) the way it should/could be and (2) the way it
> > actually
> > > > is. The main problem is we don't have enough BBS on line on the
> Layered
> > > > Packet Network. If each LAN had an active BBS and each of those had
> > > active
> > > > folks watching for NTS traffic it would work swell.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We do not need 7+ to handle NTS messages. BBS-to-BBS binary
> > compression
> > > > will do the work just fine. FBB BBS handles/routes NTS messages just
> > > fine,
> > > > providing we have "NTS friendly" BBS in a lot of communities. I'd
> like
> > > > nothing more than to have that here on the Layered Network as there
> are
> > > many
> > > > NTS messages that go wanting on the 75M fone net (3940) most
mornings.
>
> > We
> > > > could just take them and put them on packet - IF we had BBS all
over.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I suggest we all get together and support the layered packet network
> > in
> > > > our communities. Get you ham club/ARES group to sponsor/support a
> > > > LAN/switch. Get a BBS on each LAN and the NTS traffic should flow
> just
> > > > fine.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I may comment more on this reference note later.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 73,
> > > >
> > > > bud N0IA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > PS: All that said, my main focus for digital messaging for EMCOMMs
> is
> > > with
> > > > E-mail - that would include the traditional NTS role of Health and
> > Welfare
> > > > messages. Guess you might as well also read "Whither Goest NTS?"at
> the
> > > same
> > > > web site.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > "Are you still wasting your time with spam?...
> > > > There is a solution!"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Protected by GIANT Company's Spam Inspector
> > > > The most powerful anti-spam software available.
> > > > http://www.giantcompany.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Stacey & Bob H.
> > > > To: Frank AC4MK ; WB4TOV Harold ; KG4KCB Harry ; KA4TTS Jack ;
> KD4GR
> > > Jim
> > > > ; KF4OPT Jimmy ; AD4IH Joe ; WA9VND Laura ; K4LNP Mark ; WX4H Mort ;
> > > KD4CQG
> > > > Phyllis ; W4AAA Randy ; KQ4AZ Rick ; K4DWF Tom ; WB2FGL Tony ;
WD4IUD
> > Walt
> > > ;
> > > > KE4VBA Warren ; K4DDY Wolf ; Bill W4HCS ; N4EP Bill ; N4LTT Bill ;
> > WR4FSU
> > > > Bob ; K9SHT Bruce ; N0IA Bud ; Wilbur AB4XK ; AA4CH ; NR2F Charlie ;
> > > WD4GDB
> > > > Chet ; AE4MR Dave ; N4GMU Dave ; KB4MON Dennis ; N9MN Don ; Earl
K4FQU
>
> ;
> > > Ed
> > > > ; W4WYR Evelyn
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 17:43
> > > > Subject: NTS traffic transmittal and delivery:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Stacey & Bob H.
> > > > To: Bud N0IA ; Bill N4XEO ; Eric KB6YNO ; Robin VE3VVS ; Billy
> N4UF
> > ;
> > > > Chuck Hast ; Wilbur AB4XK ; Charles NR2F ; Earl K4FQU ; Bill KC7TSG
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 12:48
> > > > Subject: NTS traffic transmittal and delivery:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello everyone, for those that don't know me. My name is Bob N4WFH
> > in
> > > > North Port, Fl. I'm the sysop for the KF4HFR Packet BBS. I enjoy
> > > > ARES/NTS and Packet Radio.
> > > >
> > > > :Belief
> > > >
> > > > I don't believe Packet Radio can reliably get NTS traffic
> delivered
> > to
> > > > the intended recipient. However, Packet Radio can be reliably used
> > to
> > > > send NTS traffic to designated Amateur Radio operators at a Packet
> > BBS
> > > > or directly to an Amateur Radio Packet station as a text file
> using
> > 7+
> > > > or YAPP transfer protocol, where it can be delivered or passed
> > along.
> > > >
> > > > :NTS List
> > > >
> > > > I would like develop an list of Amateur Radio Operators whom have
> > VHF
> > > > packet capability and regularly participate in the NTS system
> either
> > > > VHF/HF, Digital/Voice.
> > > >
> > > > :How to use the list
> > > >
> > > > I receive as many as twenty NTS msg's a day into KF4HFR packet BBS
> > > > during events or Holiday times of the year. I cannot put all these
> > > > msg's on voice Nets myself. I want to build an list of Amateurs
> > > willing
> > > > to help in passing these messages via Amateur Radio. From this
> list
> > I
> > > > will build forwarding files that will separate the NTS traffic
> into
> > > > different files. Theses files will be sent to Amateurs based on
> the
> > > > information they submit in the list, using the following
> guidelines.
> > > >
> > > > First, they will be sent to the Amateur in the delivery area.
> > Second,
> > > > if no particular Amateur is listed in the delivery area. They're
> > sent
> > > > to whom is closest to the delivery area. Third, if the message is
> > out
> > > > of Florida they will be sent to those with HF capabilities.
> > > >
> > > > These messages will be sent to an Amateur Radio Operator at their
> > > local
> > > > Packet BBS as a 7+ file or via directly connecting to a Packet
> Radio
> > > > Station. This will alleviate a copy of the message on every PBBS
> it
> > > > passes through where others might try to deliver.
> > > >
> > > > I due not want messages sent to a Packet BBS destination hoping an
> > > > Amateur will pick them up. They need to be sent to a specific
> > Amateur
> > > > willing to handle traffic.
> > > >
> > > > :Attached files
> > > >
> > > > 1. flzipcodes.txt = This is an Alphabetical list of City's with
> > their
> > > > zip codes for Florida. When determining which City's you can
> > deliver.
> > > > Please include all zip codes for that City.
> > > >
> > > > When I compile all the information from various Amateurs and
> > associate
> > > > Callsigns with zip codes. You will be able to use notepad to
> search
> > > for
> > > > the Amateur closest to the destination.
> > > >
> > > > 2. SWFDG.GIF = this is the current SWFDG network. The heavy dark
> > lines
> > > > and yellow areas are proposed.
> > > >
> > > > 3. Pkt_net.gif = this shows the FPAC network that is connected to
> > > > SWFDG.
> > > >
> > > > 4. Nodelist.htm = this is the SEDAN Network that can be used to
> > > connect
> > > > to another packet station directly. This might work if there isn't
> a
> > > > Packet network between you an the destination Amateur.
> > > >
> > > > Note: I use this Network to connect to an Amateur in Sarasota that
> > > > takes NTS traffic.
> > > >
> > > > 5. n4wfh.txt = My information. Please build yours using notepad
> and
> > > > attach to a msg back to me. It will make it easier to use later.
> > > >
> > > > :Information
> > > >
> > > > More information can be obtained about the Packet Network close to
> > you
> > > > via:
> > > > F.A.D.C.A.: http://www.fadca.org
> > > >
> > > > More Information can be obtained via the SEDAN network near you
> via:
> > > > http://www.geocities.com/floridasedan/
> > > >
> > > > More information about Packet Radio via:
> > > > www.packetradio.com
> > > >
> > > > I will be glad to help any and all.
> > > > [email protected]
> > > > n4wfh@kf4hfr.#swfl.fl.usa.noam
> > > > 941.423.4661 (evening after 18:00)
> > > >
> > > > After building this list, I'll send it to each participate.
> > > > I'm always open for suggestions to make this procedure work more
> > > > efficiently. The primary goal being to deliver, accurately, via
> > > Amateur
> > > > Radio, NTS traffic to it's destination in the shortest time
> period.
> > > >
> > > > 73, Bob N4WFH
> > > >
> > > > [email protected]
> > > > n4wfh@kf4hfr.#swfl.fl.usa.noam
> > > > Peace River Repeater Asso. (Webmaster)
> > > > Home page: http://home1.gte.net/res04c83/prra.htm
> > > > F.A.D.C.A.: http://www.fadca.org
> > > > SkyWarn CH-176
> > > > EL87vb
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---
> > > > multipart/alternative
> > > > text/plain (text body -- kept)
> > > > text/html
> > > > The reason this message is shown is because the post was in HTML
> > > > or had an attachment. Attachments are not allowed. To learn how
> > > > to post in Plain-Text go to: http://www.expita.com/nomime.html ---
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > FADCA mailing list
> > > > [email protected]
> > > > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/fadca
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > FADCA mailing list
> > > [email protected]
> > > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/fadca
> > >
> >
> >
> > ---
> > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. signed by jdaughtry
> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> > Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 2/13/03
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > FADCA mailing list
> > [email protected]
> > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/fadca
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> FADCA mailing list
> [email protected]
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/fadca
>
> ..
> _______________________________________________
> FADCA mailing list
> [email protected]
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/fadca
>
> .
> the fantom  emailer
> ville
> _______________________________________________
> FADCA mailing list
> [email protected]
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/fadca
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> FADCA mailing list
> [email protected]
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/fadca