[FADCA] Re: Fw: <No Subject> Changed to "Use of the Infrastructure"
Billy Williams
[email protected]
Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:10:45 -0500
Thanks Bud for your elaboration--With dependable HF digital backup, this system
has useful possibilities for served agencies and EOCs.
73,
Billy, N4UF
Quoting bud thompson <[email protected]>:
> Deltona
> Wednesday Feb 12 1730EST
>
> Yes, Russ' demo was a good one.
>
> Actually, we plan on taking full advantage of the "infrastructure" as
> another wider bandwidth (faster) layer on the Florida Layered Network
>
> In EMCOMM planning we deal with the concept of The Last Mile:
>
> The Last Mile: The incident area where normal communications facilities,
> especially telephone services, are disabled or overloaded due to the
> incident.
>
> The Last Mile may be an area of five square miles or cover half a state.
> By
> definition casual telephone calls cannot be made within, from, or into the
> Last Mile. Inside the Last Mile all connections to the internet are also
> overloaded or not working. There goes our e-mail. Of course many homes
> and
> businesses could also be without electricity to run computers, radios, etc.
>
> What we are planning is the use of the Airmail e-mail client (terminal
> program) which can be used with an HF PacTOR terminal unit or a TNC-2 clone
> packet TNC on vhf/uhf. The concept is for ham radio to Bridge across that
> Last Mile using HF or VHF (packet networks) to where there is no
> interruption
> of services. On HF the link would be to a WL2K station (hundreds or
> thousands of miles away) or on VHF packet to a WL2K station or TelPac node
> tens of miles away. In either case the target WL2K or TelPac would be
> outside the Last Mile - where wire line and internet communications are, by
> definition, not over loaded. Bridging the Last Mile this way will provide
> EMCOMM messaging (in the form of conventional e-mail) to flow to/from
> anywhere needed outside the Last Mile.
>
> What we will need in Florida is forward thinking EOC EMCOMM planners at the
> County, District and State levels to include Airmail or WL2K HF PacTOR
> capability to take advantage of this within the Last Mile and to help
> facilitate the process to bridge the Last Mile.
>
> Yesterday I sent a ham-to-e-mail message with two attachments. One was an
> MS
> Word file (a 30K binary file), the other a small DOS.txt file. The actual
> text in the e-mail message was only a reference to the testing. The total
> e-mail message was just over 32Kbytes. From my home Airmail set up in
> Deltona on 20M I linked with WB5KSD, a frequency/band scanning WL2K station
> near Dallas, TX. I got lucky and made the link in about 15 seconds - it
> would have taken 45 seconds had I missed his scanning the frequency the
> first time. Once linked the entire 32K message was sent and we were
> disconnected in about 80 seconds. I then walked across the shack about 10
> ft to my XYL's computer and the e-mail message was in her in folder.
>
> Picture this: Dade County and any bounding county being inside the Last
> Mile - all other places in Florida and the world are outside the Last Mile.
> This 32K message could have been sent from any EOC in Dade County to any
> HF-Airmail equipped EOC or WL2K station in Florida or anyplace in the US.
> (It doesn't matter which one - they are all tied to the internet.) Or, the
> 32K message could have been sent over the layered packet network to a
> TelPac
> node in W. Palm Beach - again, tied to the internet. It makes no
> difference
> whether HF or vhf - the message would be at the addressees' in folder in
> much less than five minutes. Additionally there could have been a dozen or
> more (I don't know the limit) cc: addressees and it would not have taken
> any
> more time.
>
> There are 35 WL2K stations spread around the globe, most in the U.S. What
> we need is ARES/RACEs groups at the local level in Florida planning on
> adding TelPac nodes to the packet network in their areas.
>
> The entire US government, all States, and virtually every company in the
> world depends on the internet for routine daily business and EMCOMM
> planning. Someone out there is quite certain the entire internet is not
> going to go down - and a pile of money has been spent to insure that. They
> don't call it the world wide web for nothing.
>
> I see no valid reason for Ham Radio EMCOMM planners to not embrace the
> internet on the basis it is going to become overloaded. If the entire
> Internet goes down - we've got a lot more to worry about than getting a 300
> character message from Miami to Tallahassee using the SEDAN Wide Area
> Network.
>
> The Last Mile or the First Mile?
>
> If the stuff hits the fan somewhere else, it is your Last Mile in.
> If the stuff hits the fan in your back yard, it is your First Mile out.
>
> Can we risk not being prepared
>
> 73,
> bud Thompson N0IA
>
> ?
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Billy Williams" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Cc: "Jeff Reynolds" <[email protected]>; "Rick Muething KN6KB"
> <[email protected]>; "Vern Ferris" <[email protected]>; "Bud Thompson"
> <[email protected]>; "David Elmore" <[email protected]>; "Larry Filzen"
> <[email protected]>; "Bill Neylans" <[email protected]>; "FADCA"
> <[email protected]>; "Rudy Hubbard" <[email protected]>; "Frank Butler"
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:48
> Subject: Re: Fw: <No Subject>
>
>
> > Thanks Russ for the demo. Each emergency situation is different and the
> more
> > tools that we have, the better.
> >
> > For transferring large volumes of info quickly in a situation where
> > the "infrastructure" is largely in tact--TelPac seems like a great way to
> go
> >
> > I can see problems if the telephone system and/or Internet become
> overloaded.
> > While SEDAN and other packets modes may be slower, they seem to rely less
> on
> > the "infrastructure."
> >
> > Thanks to all who have contributed their time and talents to develop this
> > option which could be of assistance in a communications emergency.
> Served
> > agencies should consider the benefits this system has to offer along with
> other
> > systems that might provide an alternative in case of severe
> infrastructure
> > damage.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Billy Williams, N4UF
> > District Emergency Coordinator, Crown ARES
> >
> > Quoting [email protected]:
> >
> > > Good evening everyone.
> > >
> > > This message (below) was sent using TelPac, a Telnet to Packet
> interface
> > > that was developed as part of the World Wide WinLink2000 system that
> > > supports digital communication from and to mobile digital stations.
> > >
> > > It was sent by Packet Radio to the Telnet Station at KN6KB and back to
> me
> > > via the internet. I have copied exactly was was received by my email
> > > client.
> > > This message was sent only minutes before it was received in my email.
> > >
> > > It demonstrates the capability of the Florida Layered Packet Network
> from
> > > Jacksonville to Orlando and the use of TelPac to send a message from an
> > > AX.25 Packet station to an ANY email address using TelPac.
> > >
> > > This message, while short and simple, provides documentation that the
> > > concept of using packet radio, the Florida Layered Network, and TelPac
> as a
> > > means of sending messages during a communications emergency from the
> LAST
> > > Mile (where wire line communications are disrupted by a disaster or
> other
> > > interruption of commercial communications) with the resources of
> Amateur
> > > Radio and the Internet is a viable method of Amateur Radio support of
> > > Emergency Response Agencies.
> > >
> > > This application of Packet Radio is the most capable method of sending
> > > digital messages AND attached Files that exists in Florida. It far
> > > surpasses
> > > the capability of any other method now being promoted. This method
> allows
> > > radio support from the site of a disaster to the first available
> internet
> > > connection and does not require keyboard to keyboard communications. It
> > > supports sending files needed by Emergency Management, such as
> Situation
> > > Reports as required by the Department of Emergency Management.
> > >
> > > If you have questions regarding this innovative application of Amateur
> > > Packet Radio and the internet, I refer you to Bud Thompson, N0IA, at
> > > [email protected] and Rick Muething, KN6KB at [email protected] or
> simply
> > > use "reply to all" from your email client.
> > >
> > > Thanks to KN6KB, KF4SIR, N0IA and all the other dedicated Amateur Radio
> > > Operators that have made this possible.
> > >
> > > 73 Russ Oder
> > > N4KOX
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > Wrom: DADRZFSQHYUCDDJBLVL
> > > To: <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 11:55 PM
> > > Subject: <No Subject>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > This Message via TelPac
> > > This message is being sent from packet to the internet using KF4SIR-2
> > > TelPac
> > > station to KN6KB vis a Telnet Connection. The message is sent by packet
> to
> > > KF4SIR as AX.25 packet and then by the internet to KN6KB where it is
> > > entered
> > > as a message. It is then sent to the recepient as an email message.
> > > 73 and thanks for the test, Rick.
> > > Russ, N4KOX 02/11/03.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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