Looking for the telnet ip again for w4jax, after one crash to many I have wised up and got a cd-rw and will be storing all this stuff on the cd-rom. thanks and sorry for asking so many times. kd4efm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 - Release Date: 1/21/2003