[FADCA] More Sedan

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I was glad to see Doug answer. From what I read of your
pre-demo you conducted this weekend, I think a very good
"demonstration" could be done and it would not have to be
"make shift". It will take some work (A LOT of WORK) but
there doesn't have to be a bbs at the EOC on 5/4, just one
that can be reached on vhf from the EOC (even if it requires
an mobile digipeater or switch in the parking lot.)

Send me your number again so we can talk.

And, where is AD4DO?

Russ

On Sun, 31 March 2002, "bud Thompson" wrote

> 
> Deltona
> Sunday March 31 0720EST
> 
> Russ: Glad to see you back and catching up with your
bazillion E-mails!
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <highlandfl@telocity.com>
> To: <fadca@mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 12:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [FADCA] More Sedan
> 
> 
> <snip>.
> >
> > My trip to Tallahassee in May will be later in the month,
> > but, right now, I don't see a reason I could not go on
May
> > 5. I would, however, encourage a  demonstration of
various
> > systems rather than just a  presentation.  I  think a
> > successful demonstration of the capabilities of the
variety
> > of systems available would be much better than just a
> > presentation.
> 
> I don't know how we can make a successful demonstrtion my
May 4th.  Part of
> the reason that SEDAN is in the SEOC (perhaps with a lock)
is that they got
> there first!  Rather than boot-strap a demo on May 4th
that would obviously
> be a make-shift thing, I'd rather keep our time to a
meaninful presentation
> of what can be and presnet status.
> 
> FACT: All we need is a BBS at the EOC.  That would be a
beginning.  If our
> making a presentation in May resulted in just that, we
could go from there.
> 
> >
> > Now for the questions.
> >
> > 1. ARE there any HF digital stations that can be
> > communicated with in the Tallahassee area that have VHF
> > packet capabilities that can be used for both a
> > demonstration and when we actually need it?
> 
> I checked with John AD4DO yesterday and his Winlink HF is
down because of
> receiver problems. I'm going to get hold of him and see if
he thinks it
> could be back up by May 4th.  When I discussed the SEOC
vhf/BBS problem with
> him two years ago he blew it off because of the lock SEDAN
had - but I'm not
> sure John actually has the 2M side of his Winlink system
operational. I'll
> check that too.
> 
> >
> > 2. ARE there any HF or VHF to Internet gateways
operational
> > that can be used  to demonstrate and also be used when we
> > actually need them?
> 
> That is not a problem.. I routinely get to a dozen a day
on HF.  I just
> linked with WL2K stations in TX, LA, NC, TN, OH, and
Melbourne, FL in the
> past hour or two.  Several e-mail messages were sent.
> 
> I will be making such a demo from the Deltona EOC tomorrow
(Yeah it is April
> 1st!)  If that G5RV antenna will get out at all, I should
be able to drop
> e-mails on any e-mail inbox in the world.  My plan was to
just send one to
> the Fire Chief in Deltona - hoping it might get to his
computer 120 ft away
> while we are still in the demo mode.  Do you think I
should include cc: to
> John Fleming? Anyone else?
> 
> >
> > 3.  ARE the resources in #1 and #2 available for
repetitive
> > tests and training prior to May 4 and afterward?
> 
> If we had a mobile/portable HF station set up we could
demo that at TLH May
> 4th. We could link to any of several WL2K stations and
send messages and
> e-mails.  However, I do not recommend that.  Until folks
are well-grounded
> in bud's Mad Plan, just simply making a radio demo doesn't
show anything but
> radio capability - in itself, it does not show systematic
results.
> 
> FACT: On its face, incorporating "e-mail" into emergency
communications
> plans will meet with resistance until it is better
understood
> systematically.
> 
> What I am proposing is a total integrated approach.  It
includes the layered
> packet network throughout the state which, in my opinion,
should be
> considered a local support function say, among adjacent
counties.  If each
> county EOC could communicate with its adjacent county
EOCs, then by default
> we'd have the whole state covered!  That said - let's face
it - getting a
> 10K message file from North Port to Tallahassee w/o
store-and-forward on
> intermediate BBS(s) could take a while.  A 10K file can go
over HF (any band
> that will support propagation will do) in less than five
to eight minutes
> under weak signal conditions.  My idea is that groups of
counties (typically
> groups of five) could share an HF ARQ station- to which
all counties EOCs
> can get to over the layered packet network.
> 
> Assuming good 24/7 layered packet network coverage through
to TLH SEOC, I'd
> guess than EOCs from about Ocala north could just as well
use it for large
> file transfers.  From there South, it would be much more
efficient to use
> HF. The same BBBs station at the SEOC can take HF and vhf
links
> simultaneously.
> 
> Off to set up for testing at the Deltona EOC.
> 
> 73,
> bud N0IA
> 
> 
> 
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