[ETS/PARC List] crosws post: [HamRadioHelpGroup] Digest Number 7514

E. Drew Moore drumor at optonline.net
Tue Mar 1 13:28:33 EST 2016





There are 7 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Ham Radio and Pacemakers
     From: KA9QJG

2a. Re: Prayer Request
     From: Christopher Young

3a. ARRL visit?
     From: Christopher Young
3b. Re: ARRL visit?
     From: Mark Brueggemann
3c. Re: ARRL visit?
     From: Chip Griffin

4a. It was a long time coming....
     From: Bruce-WB2EQM
4b. Re: It was a long time coming....
     From:  richdjschmuke


Messages
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1a. Re: Ham Radio and Pacemakers
     Posted by: "KA9QJG" KA9QJG at COMCAST.NET ka9qjg1
     Date: Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:34 pm ((PST))

FYI

I was really surprised  as big as this group is and lots of Elderly 
Members I did not get one Reply to My question ,, But since this may 
affect all of us or someone We know  Here was a answer I got from a 
couple of Local Ham Friends  thought  would also share I hope  no one 
minds …….



Thanks 73 De Don KA9QJG



Don.
In response to your Email about your wife's heart problem and the use of
  a Pacemaker. my heart has been beating since 1992 and never had any 
kind of problem. Being a HF and UHF user in the radio spectrum for 
almost 20 years find that sometimes peoples analysis of this situation 
is not fact.
Radios send their signal through a shielded  co-ax cable to the antenna 
therefor not presenting any kind of RF to the radio around it. 
Otherwise.. their might be a problem with the radio itself. Also the 
freq that the body uses is not near our Ham Freq's. The life of the unit 
is about 7 years so it has to be changed according to the battery life, 
because it being sealed it has to be replaced when EOL end of life) 
arrives. A minor operation. More of a precaution for infection you must 
remain in the hospital for a while. sometime overnight. Any questions 
Don and I can respond to them but not as an authority but a person who 
has one installed.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_cardiac_pacemaker





Devices that may Interfere with Implantable Cardioverter Defibrillators 
(ICDs)

:Aug 21,2015

Modern Implantable Cardioverter Defibrillators (ICDs) have built-in 
features to protect them from most types of interference produced by 
other electrical devices you might encounter in your daily routine. 
However, since they are implanted to prevent sudden cardiac arrest and 
can deliver therapeutic shocks, it is prudent to pay attention to your 
physician’s instructions and try to avoid sources of disruption.

   ICDIf you have an artificial ICD, always:

·   Be aware of your surroundings and the devices that may interfere 
with pulse generators.

·   Carry your ICD ID card to prove that you have an ICD. Download the 
ICD Wallet ID card.

·   Tell healthcare professionals you have an ICD before they start any 
test or procedure using medical or electronic devices.

·   Notify the doctor or nurse where you work that that you have an ICD.

·   Move away from or turn off any equipment you suspect of interfering 
with your ICD. Your ICD will rarely be permanently damaged and will 
resume its normal activity. Inform your healthcare provider of any 
concerns regarding your device.

·   When in doubt, consult your doctor.

   Devices that may or do pose risks

Anti-theft systems (also called electronic article surveillance or EAS): 
Interactions with EAS systems are unlikely to cause clinically 
significant symptoms in most patients. However, the American Heart 
Association recommends that you:

·   Be aware that EAS systems may be hidden or camouflaged in entrances 
and exits in many businesses.

·   Don't stay near the EAS system longer than is necessary.

·   Don't lean against the system.


Metal detectors for security: Interactions with metal detectors are 
unlikely to cause clinically significant symptoms in most patients. 
However, the American Heart Association recommends that you:

·   Don't stay near the metal detector any longer than is necessary.

·   Don't lean against the system.

·   If scanning with a hand-held metal detector is necessary, tell the 
security personnel that you have an ICD and request an alternative form 
of inspection. Ask them not to hold the metal detector near the device 
any longer than is absolutely necessary.


Cell phones: Currently, phones available in the United States (less than 
3 watts) present a very small risk to ICDs due to wireless transmissions 
from the antennae.

·   Technology is rapidly changing as the Federal Communications 
Commission (FCC) makes new frequencies available.

·   Newer cellphones using these new frequencies might make ICDs less 
reliable.

·   A group of cellphone companies is studying that possibility.

·   Keep your cell phones at least 6 inches away from your ICD by using 
them on the ear opposite your ICD site and avoid keeping them in your 
front chest pocket.

·   Keep walkie-talkies ( 3 watts or less) at least 6 inches away from 
your ICD site


MP3 players/headphones: MP3 players do not pose the risk; the headphones 
do. Most contain a magnetic substance, and research has documented that 
placing the headphones too close to the ICD caused interference. That 
same research showed that ICDs were twice as likely to have interference 
as pacemakers were.

·   Keep your headphones at least 6 inches away from your ICD.

·   Never rest your head on the chest of a person with an ICD while 
you're wearing headphones.

·   Both the earbud and clip-on types of headphones can cause 
interference.

·   Do not place headphones in a breast pocket or drape them over your 
chest.


Radios: Can possibly affect how the ICD works.

·   CB radios or amateur ("ham") radios under 3 watts should be kept 6 
inches away from the implanted device. CB and “ham” radios (3-15 watts) 
should be kept at least 12 inches from your ICD. CB and “ham” radios 
(15-30 watts) should be kept at least 2 feet from your device.

·   CB radios (under 5 watts) should be kept at least 12 inches from 
your ICD site.


Extracorporeal shock-wave lithotripsy (ESWL): A noninvasive treatment 
that uses hydraulic shocks to dissolve kidney stones.

·   ESWL should be avoided in patients with ICDs.

·   Discuss your specific case with your doctor before and after the 
treatment.


   Magnetic resonance imaging (MRI): A noninvasive diagnostic tool that 
uses a powerful magnet to produce images of internal organs and 
functions.

·   MRIs are not recommended for people with ICDs. Discuss options with 
your physician. Some types of ICDs may be OK for an MRI; however, your 
doctor and technician will need to review your ID card and consult to 
make sure.


   Radiofrequency ablation (RFA) or microwave ablation: A medical 
procedure that uses waves to manage a wide variety of arrhythmias.

·   Your doctor should carefully evaluate the risk; the procedures may 
be acceptable with certain precautions taken.


High-frequency, short-wave or microwave diathermy: A medical procedure 
that uses high-frequency, high-intensity signals for physical therapy. 
These may interfere with or permanently damage the pulse generator.

·   Not recommended for people with ICDs.


Therapeutic radiation (such as for cancer treatment): May damage the 
device’s circuits.

·   The degree of damage is unpredictable and may vary with different 
systems.

·   The risk is significant and builds up as the radiation dose 
increases.

·   The American Heart Association recommends that the ICD be shielded 
as much as possible and moved if it lies directly in the radiation 
field.

·   ICDs have been shown to be more sensitive to radiation therapy 
interference than pacemakers.


Transcutaneous electrical nerve stimulation (TENS): A medical device 
used to relieve acute or chronic pain with electrodes placed on the skin 
and connected to a pulse generator.

·   Most studies have shown that TENS rarely interferes with some types 
of ICDs; however, TENS can interfere with other types and can interfere 
on subsequent TENS treatment even after showing no interference on 
initial treatments.

·   TENS may be acceptable with precautions taken such as careful 
evaluation and extended cardiac monitoring.

·   Not recommended for use on the torso.


   CT and CAT Scans: Diagnostic specialized x-rays called computed 
tomography (CT scan) or computed axial tomography (CAT scan) that 
combined with computers create multiple images of areas inside the body 
that are being examined.

·   Depending on the scanner being used, some ICDs may receive 
interference so be certain to have your doctor, electrophysiologist or 
technician discuss the procedure first.

Electrolysis: A procedure for removing unwanted hair.

·   Be prepared to provide a note from your physician before 
electrolysis can be performed.

·   Certain precautions may be recommended by your doctor and device 
manufacturer.


Electrocauterization: A procedure used in surgery to stop bleeding.

·   Your doctor should carefully evaluate the risk; the procedures may 
be acceptable with certain precautions taken.


Other medical procedures that may be possible when the necessary 
precautions have been taken:

·   Acupuncture with electrical stimulus

·   Ultrasound

·   Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

·   External defibrillation including use of AEDs

·   Stereotaxis


Power-generating equipment, arc welding equipment, jumper cables, and 
powerful magnets: Such as found in some medical devices, heavy equipment 
or motors can inhibit pulse generators.

·   Stay at least 2 feet away.

·   Working with this equipment is not recommended for people with ICDs.

·   Follow your healthcare provider's instructions about being around 
such equipment.


Magnets: Magnets in general may or may not affect your ICD operation so 
it is best to avoid close and prolonged contact with any of them. 
Magnets can activate a switch which can prevent the ICD from delivering 
treatment therapies such as life-saving shocks.

·   Keep magnets at least 6 inches (15 cm) from the ICD site.

·   Avoid magnet therapy such as used in bracelets and necklaces that 
may be worn for extended periods of time near the ICD.

·   You may not know what does or doesn’t have a magnet in it. If you 
feel any interference, move away from the source or turn it off if 
possible.



Electric power tools and electronic devices: Most household equipment in 
good condition poses little if any risk to your ICD when they are used 
properly. However, it is best to keep them at least 6 inches (15 cm) 
away from your ICD site. Primarily keep the motors and antennae 6 inches 
from your ICD.

·   Drill (battery and electric)

·   Hedge trim

·   Weed whacker

·   Router

·   Circular/skill saws

·   Leaf blower

·   Electric lawn mower

·   Sander

·   E-readers

·   Electronic tablets

·   Video game wireless controllers

·   Remote car starters and remote key entry

·   Security badge wall scanner

·   Home wireless devices such as modems, Bluetooth®, routers, headsets

·   Speakers

·   Radio-controlled toys and other products

·   Hair dryer

·   Hand-held back massager



Ab stimulators, electronic body fat scales, magnetic mattress pads or 
pillows: Are likely to interfere and are NOT recommended for use if you 
have an ICD.

Gas-powered equipment, car battery charger and gasoline ignition 
systems: Components within ignition systems of gas-powered engines can 
cause interference in some cases.

·   Keep at least 12 inches (30cm) away from your ICD site



Electric fences, electrical pet containment systems, transformer boxes: 
Like most of the potentially disruptive items, the risk increases with 
extended periods of time and close proximity to them.

·   Keep at least 12 inches (30cm) away from your ICD site

Anti-theft systems (also called electronic article surveillance or EAS): 
Interactions with EAS systems are unlikely to cause clinically 
significant symptoms in most patients. However, the American Heart 
Association recommends that you:

·   Be aware that EAS systems may be hidden or camouflaged in entrances 
and exits in many businesses.

·   Don't stay near the EAS system longer than is necessary.

·   Don't lean against the system.


Metal detectors for security: Interactions with metal detectors are 
unlikely to cause clinically significant symptoms in most patients. 
However, the American Heart Association recommends that you:

·   Don't stay near the metal detector any longer than is necessary.

·   Don't lean against the system.

·   If scanning with a hand-held metal detector is necessary, tell the 
security personnel that you have an ICD and request an alternative form 
of inspection. Ask them not to hold the metal detector near the device 
any longer than is absolutely necessary.


Cell phones: Currently, phones available in the United States (less than 
3 watts) present a very small risk to ICDs due to wireless transmissions 
from the antennae.

·   Technology is rapidly changing as the Federal Communications 
Commission (FCC) makes new frequencies available.

·   Newer cellphones using these new frequencies might make ICDs less 
reliable.

·   A group of cellphone companies is studying that possibility.

·   Keep your cell phones at least 6 inches away from your ICD by using 
them on the ear opposite your ICD site and avoid keeping them in your 
front chest pocket.

·   Keep walkie-talkies ( 3 watts or less) at least 6 inches away from 
your ICD site


MP3 players/headphones: MP3 players do not pose the risk; the headphones 
do. Most contain a magnetic substance, and research has documented that 
placing the headphones too close to the ICD caused interference. That 
same research showed that ICDs were twice as likely to have interference 
as pacemakers were.

·   Keep your headphones at least 6 inches away from your ICD.

·   Never rest your head on the chest of a person with an ICD while 
you're wearing headphones.

·   Both the earbud and clip-on types of headphones can cause 
interference.

·   Do not place headphones in a breast pocket or drape them over your 
chest.


Radios: Can possibly affect how the ICD works.

·   CB radios or amateur ("ham") radios under 3 watts should be kept 6 
inches away from the implanted device. CB and “ham” radios (3-15 watts) 
should be kept at least 12 inches from your ICD. CB and “ham” radios 
(15-30 watts) should be kept at least 2 feet from your device.

·   CB radios (under 5 watts) should be kept at least 12 inches from 
your ICD site.


Extracorporeal shock-wave lithotripsy (ESWL): A noninvasive treatment 
that uses hydraulic shocks to dissolve kidney stones.

·   ESWL should be avoided in patients with ICDs.

·   Discuss your specific case with your doctor before and after the 
treatment.


   Magnetic resonance imaging (MRI): A noninvasive diagnostic tool that 
uses a powerful magnet to produce images of internal organs and 
functions.

·   MRIs are not recommended for people with ICDs. Discuss options with 
your physician. Some types of ICDs may be OK for an MRI; however, your 
doctor and technician will need to review your ID card and consult to 
make sure.


   Radiofrequency ablation (RFA) or microwave ablation: A medical 
procedure that uses waves to manage a wide variety of arrhythmias.

·   Your doctor should carefully evaluate the risk; the procedures may 
be acceptable with certain precautions taken.


High-frequency, short-wave or microwave diathermy: A medical procedure 
that uses high-frequency, high-intensity signals for physical therapy. 
These may interfere with or permanently damage the pulse generator.

·   Not recommended for people with ICDs.


Therapeutic radiation (such as for cancer treatment): May damage the 
device’s circuits.

·   The degree of damage is unpredictable and may vary with different 
systems.

·   The risk is significant and builds up as the radiation dose 
increases.

·   The American Heart Association recommends that the ICD be shielded 
as much as possible and moved if it lies directly in the radiation 
field.

·   ICDs have been shown to be more sensitive to radiation therapy 
interference than pacemakers.


Transcutaneous electrical nerve stimulation (TENS): A medical device 
used to relieve acute or chronic pain with electrodes placed on the skin 
and connected to a pulse generator.

·   Most studies have shown that TENS rarely interferes with some types 
of ICDs; however, TENS can interfere with other types and can interfere 
on subsequent TENS treatment even after showing no interference on 
initial treatments.

·   TENS may be acceptable with precautions taken such as careful 
evaluation and extended cardiac monitoring.

·   Not recommended for use on the torso.


   CT and CAT Scans: Diagnostic specialized x-rays called computed 
tomography (CT scan) or computed axial tomography (CAT scan) that 
combined with computers create multiple images of areas inside the body 
that are being examined.

·   Depending on the scanner being used, some ICDs may receive 
interference so be certain to have your doctor, electrophysiologist or 
technician discuss the procedure first.

Electrolysis: A procedure for removing unwanted hair.

·   Be prepared to provide a note from your physician before 
electrolysis can be performed.

·   Certain precautions may be recommended by your doctor and device 
manufacturer.


Electrocauterization: A procedure used in surgery to stop bleeding.

·   Your doctor should carefully evaluate the risk; the procedures may 
be acceptable with certain precautions taken.


Other medical procedures that may be possible when the necessary 
precautions have been taken:

·   Acupuncture with electrical stimulus

·   Ultrasound

·   Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

·   External defibrillation including use of AEDs

·   Stereotaxis


Power-generating equipment, arc welding equipment, jumper cables, and 
powerful magnets: Such as found in some medical devices, heavy equipment 
or motors can inhibit pulse generators.

·   Stay at least 2 feet away.

·   Working with this equipment is not recommended for people with ICDs.

·   Follow your healthcare provider's instructions about being around 
such equipment.


Magnets: Magnets in general may or may not affect your ICD operation so 
it is best to avoid close and prolonged contact with any of them. 
Magnets can activate a switch which can prevent the ICD from delivering 
treatment therapies such as life-saving shocks.

·   Keep magnets at least 6 inches (15 cm) from the ICD site.

·   Avoid magnet therapy such as used in bracelets and necklaces that 
may be worn for extended periods of time near the ICD.

·   You may not know what does or doesn’t have a magnet in it. If you 
feel any interference, move away from the source or turn it off if 
possible.



Electric power tools and electronic devices: Most household equipment in 
good condition poses little if any risk to your ICD when they are used 
properly. However, it is best to keep them at least 6 inches (15 cm) 
away from your ICD site. Primarily keep the motors and antennae 6 inches 
from your ICD.

·   Drill (battery and electric)

·   Hedge trim

·   Weed whacker

·   Router

·   Circular/skill saws

·   Leaf blower

·   Electric lawn mower

·   Sander

·   E-readers

·   Electronic tablets

·   Video game wireless controllers

·   Remote car starters and remote key entry

·   Security badge wall scanner

·   Home wireless devices such as modems, Bluetooth®, routers, headsets

·   Speakers

·   Radio-controlled toys and other products

·   Hair dryer

·   Hand-held back massager



Ab stimulators, electronic body fat scales, magnetic mattress pads or 
pillows: Are likely to interfere and are NOT recommended for use if you 
have an ICD.

Gas-powered equipment, car battery charger and gasoline ignition 
systems: Components within ignition systems of gas-powered engines can 
cause interference in some cases.

·   Keep at least 12 inches (30cm) away from your ICD site



Electric fences, electrical pet containment systems, transformer boxes: 
Like most of the potentially disruptive items, the risk increases with 
extended periods of time and close proximity to them.

·   Keep at least 12 inches (30cm) away from your ICD site

Consumer appliances and electronics: In general, have not been shown to 
damage pulse generators or defibrillators. Several of these devices have 
a small chance of causing interference occasionally. However, most 
people can continue to use these household devices without significant 
worry about damage or interference with their ICDs.

·   AM/FM radios

·   Electric drills

·   Electric blankets

·   Electric shavers

·   Heating pads

·   Metal detectors for recreational use

·   Microwave ovens

·   Remote control TV changers MP3 players that do not transmit (but 
headphones should be kept at least 6 inches away from the implanted 
device)
• Ionized air filters

·   Household battery charger

·   CD/DVD/VHS players and recorders, TVs and remote controls for them

·   Garage door openers

·   Irons

·   Salon-style hair dryers

·   Tanning beds and hot tubs

·   Kitchen appliances such as mixers, blenders, toasters, coffeemakers, 
dishwashers, stoves, refrigerators

·   Casino slot machines

·   Massage chair or pads

·   Battery –powered shavers

·   Electronic weight scales

·   Low voltage power lines (typical in residential areas)


Office and light shop equipment: Most pose no risk to your ICD.

·   Computers

·   Scanners

·   Printers

·   GPS devices

·   Typewriters

·   Copy machines

·   Woodworking shop tools

·   Light metalworking tools

·   Battery-powered flashlight

·   Soldering iron

·   Stud finder

·   Laser level


Medical equipment: These devices do not appear to interfere with 
implanted pacemakers, but you should always tell your healthcare 
professional that you have a pacemaker before testing with electronic 
devices.

·   Dental ultrasonic scalers, cleaners and drills: Some patients may 
feel an increase in pacing rates during dental drilling.

·   Diagnostic radiation (such as screening X-ray and mammography)

·   Electroconvulsive therapy (such as for certain mental disorders)

·   Pills swallowed for video endoscopy

·     Electrocardiogram (ECG/EKG)

·   Laser surgery

·     Pet Emission Tomography (PET scans)

·   Sleep apnea machine

·   Acupuncture with no electrical stimulus

·     Echocardiogram

·   Heart rate monitor

·   Bone density tests with x-ray or ultrasound on heel or hand















From: HamRadioHelpGroup at yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:HamRadioHelpGroup at yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 1:30 AM
To: HamRadioHelpGroup at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HamRadioHelpGroup] Ham Radio and Pacemakers





FYI

If,   My Wife of 48 yrs  stays  healthy  She will be able to remove the 
Life support vest and Have a Pacemaker and defib put in,   I was  trying 
to find info on Pacemakers and Ham radio  below is what I found so far



Radio Amateurs are quite concerned about the susceptibility of 
pacemakers and similar medical devices to electric, magnetic, and 
electromagnetic fields found near their stations.  This page contains 
many resources for evaluating possible risks, but there is no substitute 
for getting expert opinion from your doctor and manufacturer of your 
durable medical equipment.





http://www.arrl.org/pacemaker



I do not get on HF That much and do not run more than 100 Watts,     I 
do Transmit on 2 220  and 440  I use to experiment on the 900Mhz Band  I 
told Her  just  to be safe if she sees a Mic in My hand  let Me know she 
is coming into the radio room .. My thoughts is the Higher Freqs  may 
cause more problems  Example We all know a piece of wire  will be 
resonant a an freq  2 Meters 19 In  440  6 Inches Etc Hf  in Ft ..  A 
pacemaker is just below the skin with  leads going to the Heart so 
depending on how long they are they may become resonate I just do not 
know …

We will  keep an eye on the cordless and cell phones  Anyone have any 
experience  on this please share ,,,,   I Will  also call the Maker of 
these devices and ask too….



Thanks



73 De Don KA9QJG









Messages in this topic (2)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
2a. Re: Prayer Request
     Posted by: "Christopher Young" cayoung at rochester.rr.com
     Date: Mon Feb 29, 2016 2:42 pm ((PST))



> I'm a bit concerned about how slowly messages are approved.
> This message showed up in my inbox two days after the death
> of the person who needed the prayers. Is there some thing our
> moderation team can do, to move things along?
>
> This is one of those cases of locking the barn after the horse
> is stolen. That kind of thing.
>
> .
> Christopher A. Young
> See me on the web
>   http://www.chrisyoungsshop.com/
> .
>
> On 2/25/2016 11:04 PM, Christopher Young cayoung at rochester.rr.com 
> [HamRadioHelpGroup] wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> A friend of mine (who I've met in person) is
>> in the hospital. Possum Hunter, his screen
>> name, was really not well, He may have also
>> posted as Kevin Raper.
>>
>>
>> Tuesday. I talked to him by phone, he was home
>> sick that day. By Wednesday, he was even worse.
>> His wife called the paramedics. He was diagnosed
>> as massive heart attack, and kidney failure. His
>> prognosis for survival is poor. Wife has asked
>> for prayers for his recovery.
>>
>>
>







Messages in this topic (4)
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3a. ARRL visit?
     Posted by: "Christopher Young" cayoung at rochester.rr.com
     Date: Mon Feb 29, 2016 2:42 pm ((PST))

I'll be in CT, in a few days. ARRL has tours. Anyone been there? Is it
worth the time and the walking distance?


-- 
.
Christopher A. Young
.







Messages in this topic (3)
________________________________________________________________________
3b. Re: ARRL visit?
     Posted by: "Mark Brueggemann" qrq_cw at yahoo.com qrq_cw
     Date: Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:07 pm ((PST))


----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Young cayoung at rochester.rr.com


> I'll be in CT, in a few days. ARRL has tours. Anyone been there?
Yep, twice.


> Is it worth the time and the walking distance?

Not much walking, it's not that big of a place.  You get a tour of the 
main office building, lab and museum area, the code practice/bulletin 
stations and HQ club station.  Once I got treated to a walk through of 
the basement, just a bunch of junk and files but I understand they've 
gone through a lot of that to put on display.   If you bring your ticket 
you can park in one of the guest operating positions and generate your 
own pileup.  Worth it?  Kind of subjective.  Love 'em or hate 'em the 
ARRL has existed during nearly all of amateur radio's history, and their 
staff and facility is all about ham radio.  I found my visits there very 
interesting and the staff friendly and personable.  Not everyone gets a 
chance to go through HQ so at a minimum I would consider it something 
you can check off your bucket list of amateur radio things to do.


Mark K5LXP
Albuquerque, NM





Messages in this topic (3)
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3c. Re: ARRL visit?
     Posted by: "Chip Griffin" n1mie at mac.com n1mie
     Date: Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:01 pm ((PST))

Yup, live here. It’s worth every moment. Especially spending some time 
in the W1AW radio station. But it’s also good to see the bureau, the 
museum pieces, and all the other departments. The test facility is a 
highlight.


> On Feb 29, 2016, at 16:43, Christopher Young cayoung at rochester.rr.com 
> [HamRadioHelpGroup]  wrote:
>
> I'll be in CT, in a few days. ARRL has tours. Anyone been there? Is it 
> worth the time and the walking distance?



---
	Chip Griffin
	n1mie at mac.com

	Pax vobiscum. Dominus vobiscum. Ave Maria.









Messages in this topic (3)
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________________________________________________________________________
4a. It was a long time coming....
     Posted by: "Bruce-WB2EQM" wb2eqm at earthlink.net bruce_frm_bklyn
     Date: Mon Feb 29, 2016 6:06 pm ((PST))

about 20 years.

Back in the mid 70’s, as part of a junior high school class I was 
taking, they ‘forced’ ;) everyone to pass the 5 wpm code test, then take 
the written test to get the Novice Class license.  I was the 4th person 
in a class of over 20 to pass it.  I don’t know if my name still exists 
on a board someplace in the school, doubt it.  While I never really used 
my operating privileges, I never let it expire either.

Fast forward to the 80’s.  I met people through CB radio that were also 
Amateur Radio operators.  So I studied for the General Class license and 
passed it in the mid 80’s or so.  I was just interested in operating 2 m 
and 70 cm only.  I had no interest in trying to pass the 12 or so wpm 
code test to become a General, so I held a Technician class license.

When they did away with the code requirement (late 80’s?) I was upgraded 
to a Tech plus to acknowledge passing 5 wpm.  Years later they made me 
just a Tech again.  It did bother me that I did pass the General, but 
was only a Tech still, while others who passed the General.. are a 
General.

A year or so ago, I found out that if I passed the General exam prior to 
March 87, I could become a General, if I had proof I passed the exam 
prior.   Its funny how you remember things.  I remember driving to a 
friend I met on the air with my parents car.  I bought my own first car 
in Dec 86, so I knew I held my tech license before that. But that wasn’t 
going to help me. One type of proof I could use was a printout from a 
call book 20 years ago, but who keeps them?  I posted in several online 
forums asking for help.

I don’t know his call, but a fellow member on this forum came through 
for me.  A VERY BIG THANK YOU to Steve who had the old call book, 
scanned the appropriate information for me, I forwarded to a VEC I know 
from a repeater and about a month ago, I signed off on the paperwork. 
While I know at that point I was a acting General, it still means 
something to see it on the website.

So a little more then 20 years ago, I passed my General exam at the NY 
office of the FCC, and as of today.... no acting for me... I am a 
General !!!

‘General’ Bruce



Messages in this topic (2)
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4b. Re: It was a long time coming....
     Posted by:  rdj at wildblue.net richdjschmuke
     Date: Mon Feb 29, 2016 7:05 pm ((PST))

Great story "General" Bruce. Welcome to 2016 and a whole new world with 
digital mode rigs.

Rich, Kdozz


----- Original Message -----

From: "'Bruce-WB2EQM' wb2eqm at earthlink.net [HamRadioHelpGroup]"
To: "hamradiohelpgroup"
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 8:06:26 PM
Subject: [HamRadioHelpGroup] It was a long time coming....

about 20 years.
Back in the mid 70’s, as part of a junior high school class I was 
taking, they ‘forced’ ;) everyone to pass the 5 wpm code test, then take 
the written test to get the Novice Class license. I was the 4th person 
in a class of over 20 to pass it. I don’t know if my name still exists 
on a board someplace in the school, doubt it. While I never really used 
my operating privileges, I never let it expire either.
Fast forward to the 80’s. I met people through CB radio that were also 
Amateur Radio operators. So I studied for the General Class license and 
passed it in the mid 80’s or so. I was just interested in operating 2 m 
and 70 cm only. I had no interest in trying to pass the 12 or so wpm 
code test to become a General, so I held a Technician class license.
When they did away with the code requirement (late 80’s?) I was upgraded 
to a Tech plus to acknowledge passing 5 wpm. Years later they made me 
just a Tech again. It did bother me that I did pass the General, but was 
only a Tech still, while others who passed the General.. are a General.
A year or so ago, I found out that if I passed the General exam prior to 
March 87, I could become a General, if I had proof I passed the exam 
prior. Its funny how you remember things. I remember driving to a friend 
I met on the air with my parents car. I bought my own first car in Dec 
86, so I knew I held my tech license before that. But that wasn’t going 
to help me. One type of proof I could use was a printout from a call 
book 20 years ago, but who keeps them? I posted in several online forums 
asking for help.
I don’t know his call, but a fellow member on this forum came through 
for me. A VERY BIG THANK YOU to Steve who had the old call book, scanned 
the appropriate information for me, I forwarded to a VEC I know from a 
repeater and about a month ago, I signed off on the paperwork. While I 
know at that point I was a acting General, it still means something to 
see it on the website.
So a little more then 20 years ago, I passed my General exam at the NY 
office of the FCC, and as of today.... no acting for me... I am a 
General !!!
‘General’ Bruce






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