[Elecraft] Helping to spark interest in Ham Radio
Glenn Maclean
wa7spy at att.net
Tue Jul 29 18:50:25 EDT 2025
I recently took an introduction to computer programming class at a local Junior College. My final was to write a python program. I did the assignment and my program was how to learn Morse Code broken into learning letter groups each week. My instructor really liked my program.
I teach a CW class every Wed night. The class is held at a local distillery and the owner is in the class. My computer programming instructor is also in my class. Everyone is progressing well. I have 3-4 students every Wed night. One of the students got his General Class license and is trying out QRP Pota operation. I loaned the student a QRP radio portable antenna and power supply.
The class is fun and because it is at a bar I have had customers come over to our table and are very interested!
I have put my Python program on GitHub under Duart Castle Learn Morse Code. If anyone is interested feel free to download and tryout my program. It is cross platform Linux, Mac, Windows. I think the program is great for someone new who wants to learn Morse Code. You can also find a link to my program from my QRZ page.
Glenn WA7SPY
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> We had an interesting net this week with the East and West Coast
> effectively segregated. Thanks to our excellent relays - Paul-W9PCS,
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> 1 N8SBE Dave MI K4D #1358 logger
> 2 K7BRR Bill OR K4D #704
> 3 N6JW John CA K3 #936 relay
> 4 W9PCS Paul WI K4D #620 relay
> 5 K1NW Brian RI K4D #863 net control
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> 7 K6VWE Stan MI K4D #193
> 8 W3SA John NC K4D #616
> 9 KD8RV Greg MI K3 #5600
> 10 KR8L Bill IL KX2 #4336 10w qrp
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> 12 KE8KEF Steve MI K4D #1683
> 13 K5SJC Steve CO K3S #10311
> 14 KD9RFW Brian IL FT-dx101mp
> 15 WB7S Jerry WY K3s #11545
> 16 K1DIH Brian CT K4D #1274
> 17 VE1JS John NS K4D #1268
> 18 K3FZT Steve PA FT-dx3000
> 19 NS7P Phil OR K3 #1826 relay
> 20 AG7TH Gary OR K4D #1281
> 21 K7JG John WA KX3/100 #3519
> 22 KN6TCI Brian CA IC-7300
> 23 KR6Q Damien CA FT-990a
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> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 13:32:31 -0700
> From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
> To: Eric Fitzgerald <kg6mzs at gmail.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Effective ways to introduce amateur radio to
> newcomers? (Wayne Burdick)
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> I'd like to thank everyone who weighed in on this topic. Great ideas. Many
> of us have tried to connect with interested parties in various ways, some
> more successful than others.
>
> I learned Morse in Boy Scouts, and concurrently, was fortunate to have a
> couple of middle school science teachers who were very enthusiastic about
> radio. We had a club station with old gear that was cherished and used
> every day. In fact my first QSO ever was Hawaii (from San Diego) using the
> school's rig. I was so new to CW that when the station signed
> WA3<something> "/" KH6, I couldn't copy the "/". I wrote "-..-." in the log
> and looked it up later.
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> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
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>> On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 5:58?AM Eric Fitzgerald via Elecraft <
>> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>
>> I think this is a "leading the horse to water" conundrum. Instilling the
>> spark of curiosity and kindling that into the flame of full-blown
>> interest is a delicate thing. It is easily snuffed out with a grumpy
>> word or two.
>>
>> Trying to force the horse to drink doesn't work. For me the key is to
>> respond positively and enthusiastically whenever I am approached with a
>> interested question, whenever I come across that delicate spark of
>> interest.
>>
>> I'm a SOTA guy. My KX2 has seen well over a hundred summits so far. A
>> lot of people approach me on popular mountaintops and express curiosity
>> about what I am so cryptically and intently doing. I make it a point to
>> stop calling CQ or whatever I am doing and engage with them, no matter
>> what my mood. I try and express just how much fun I am having and how
>> addicting the hobby is. It's not an original idea, but I have business
>> cards printed up with my website and email printed on them that I hand
>> out liberally. I also leave a little space to write down the answers to
>> any specific questions they may have.
>>
>> I'm a graphic artist by trade and I've designed these cards carefully to
>> be uncluttered and visually engaging. You can see what the front looks
>> like on my QRZ page:
>>
>> https://www.qrz.com/db/KG6MZS
>>
>> If their eyes start to glaze over, I politely back off, change the
>> subject or merely just wish them a good hike.
>>
>> I maintain a website with a lot of pretty pictures and videos:
>>
>> https://kg6mzs.com/
>>
>> I follow up. When people email me after visiting the website, I follow
>> my first rule of getting on the air: LISTEN. I don't have any agenda
>> about what they SHOULD do, I listen and try and figure out where their
>> interests lie. As we all know their are myriad ways to pursue this
>> hobby. Listen to what is piquing their interest.
>>
>> I know that as someone who doesn't come from a technical background, the
>> level of expertise of the hams I came across can be intimidating. This
>> formidable competence can kill any spark of interest. We are all proud
>> of what we have accomplished in the hobby. Resist the temptation to
>> show off. I was afraid of getting on the air and doing something
>> wrong. Mic fright is real thing for a lot of beginners. This is why I
>> wrote a little essay called SMOOTH OPERATOR: How to Feel Easy About
>> Getting On The Air:
>>
>> https://papasys.com/papa-reference/smooth-operator/
>>
>> I think the best way to share an interest in the hobby is by example.
>> Exhibit your interest, enthusiasm, kindness and all-around fun.
>>
>> Another country heard from.
>>
>> 73 Eric KG6MZS
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Please share any methods you've used for stirring interest in our shared
>>> pastime. How have you communicated the science, the camaraderie, and the
>>> intrigue of the radio art? Real-world examples would be inspiring to read
>>> about.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 15:27:16 -0700
> From: Fred Jensen <k6dgwnv at gmail.com>
> To: David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Effective ways to introduce amateur radio to
> newcomers?
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> There are about 800K active license grants in the US.? Unfortunately,
> it's impossible to determine how many of those are still alive, still
> active, and if active how much and in what ways. I've been at this for
> 70 years.? Hugely HF active as a 50's teenager, much less so in college,
> QRT for 4 years while in the USAF in SE Asia, increasingly active after
> I returned home but that declined again after several kids, during grad
> school, and several jobs.? Big spike after I retired.? Now, as the
> birthdays accumulate, I'm generally on the air daily, but only in the
> on-air activities I still enjoy [mainly conversational CW and some low
> key "contesting" such as QSO parties, NAQP's, events, etc].
>
> Generalizing is virtually impossible nor is there a single magic
> bullet.? I did SOTA until I no longer could physically and found a few
> curious people on summits, on the trails, and at the trailheads.? POTA
> likewise although it's common for visitors to my picnic table to wonder
> if I'm a CIA spook. ?? CWops with their CW Academy has worked well
> fostering CW proficiency and thus sparking interest into contests,
> on-air events, DX, etc.
>
> The one observation I've been able to make that seems to have at least
> some measure of fact in it is that of those who sit for the exam and
> then remain "active" in the hobby are, for the most part, doing so on
> VHF/UHF on club repeaters.? ARRL [or its replacement organization] might
> make some retention headway with these folk if they cleaned up their
> website and made an active, focused place for them to learn about the
> parts of ham radio that they are interested in ... and maybe
> accidentally, a few they didn't know they were interested in.
>
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> "K3 to an HOA-friendly antenna"
>> David Gilbert via Elecraft <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Saturday, July 26, 2025 3:57 PM
>>
>> Exactly.
>>
>> Trying to talk people into being interested in things we're interested
>> in for the reasons we're interested in them is a foolish endeavor.
>> Evangelism is boring and off-putting.? The best we can do is describe
>> what ham radio can offer and let people decide if that has any
>> interest for them.
>>
>> If we have to convince somebody that ham radio is interesting to them,
>> then it probably isn't and even if they go along it won't last.
>>
>> Which brings me to this question:
>>
>> Why is it necessary that we talk other people into ham radio in the
>> first place??? There are supposedly close to 800,000 licensed hams in
>> the U.S., which is a bigger market and a bigger pool of like minds
>> than LOTS of other activities.? Is there some sort of collective
>> insecurity complex going on every time this comes up? And it comes up
>> with annoying frequency on almost every forum.
>>
>> Dave? ?AB7E
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Wayne Burdick via Elecraft <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Wednesday, July 23, 2025 7:52 PM
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Please share any methods you've used for stirring interest in our shared
>> pastime. How have you communicated the science, the camaraderie, and the
>> intrigue of the radio art? Real-world examples would be inspiring to read
>> about.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 23:28:51 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>, David
> Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Introduction to ham radio
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> I hear the frustration in Dave AB7E's voice and resonate with what he has been saying; I really do. Years ago I wrote an op-ed piece very similar to Dave's comments that QST never printed... probably because it hit too close to home.?
>
> We all know that most new licensees never get on the air. Many of them see amateur radio as a kind of 'disaster readiness'. They think that a Baofeng gives them a reliable back up plan in case of a communications outage. In my case, when I told my guys that they'd have to pass a test, most of them made a face as if to say, "I just wanted a SHTF radio in my house. You're telling me I have to take a test?" So, there's that. They made another face when I told them that a Baofeng will get them about as far as the last house on the cul-de-sac.
>
> Beyond that, given the current ability of even a five year old to communicate instantly with everyone everywhere, we probably have all the active hams we're ever going to get. We shouldn't believe that *anybody* should get into ham radio, any more than we believe they should get into quilting, or flute playing, or ballooning. It's a hobby, and it's not for everybody. To be a true ham, you kind of have to be an experimenter, and you kind of have to have some technical training.
>
> Still, where you see a little bit of interest, you have to nurture it. That's about all we're obligated to do. It's pretty much like leading a horse to water, and not much beyond that.
>
> Al? W6LX/4
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 18:29:48 -0500
> From: Dave W8OV <dave.w8ov at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Effective ways to introduce amateur radio to
> newcomers?
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> After reading various posts on this topic, and re-reading the Subject,
> it does say "...ways to introduce amateur radio...", without "and
> persist in". I've had a half dozen hobbies in my 80+ years, but I have
> persisted in only amateur radio to this day. I dabble in one or two
> others, but no comparison to amateur radio in time, expense, and
> enjoyment. So I have failed to persist in, say, 5 out of 6 hobbies.
>
> One activity I did as a high school physics teacher, during a unit on
> electricity and magnetism, was bring in an HF radio, put a simple
> antenna on the school lawn, and feed it through an open window. A
> demonstration and discussion of amateur radio was a lesson for only one
> day each class each year, although I sponsored a radio club after school.
>
> The students in the radio club made a 5-element loop antenna and a
> wooden tripod support for it. We used it to make a brief contact with
> the second Space Shuttle amateur radio operation. While that was
> thrilling, the contact during class I treasure was one in which, by
> chance, a station we heard caught the attention of one boy who said
> "That's my dad!" We gave him a call and had a short QSO, and the boy got
> to contact his dad. To appreciate that, you need to know that the boy
> had left his family and joined a cult (yes, as a teenager) and had no
> contact with his family. This QSO led to his reuniting with his family.
> I don't know if the boy ever got a radio license, or persisted in
> amateur radio, but for him and his family amateur radio was priceless.
>
> One year, after I announced the radio demonstration would be held in a
> few days, two of my students who, unknown to me, had amateur radio
> licenses, approached me and asked if they could demonstrate their 2m
> handheld radios with a repeater contact. They had a radio in hand and
> showed me how the repeater worked and I made a phone-patch call to my
> wife. That was my first introduction to repeaters and the VHF/UHF
> frequencies. So the radio instruction worked both ways that year.
>
> Sorry for the off-topic parts, but the point is that one's introduction
> efforts can have benefits of importance, whether or not staying active
> in the hobby is achieved.
>
> 73, Dave W8OV
>
>> On 2025-07-23 21:52, Wayne Burdick via Elecraft wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Please share any methods you've used for stirring interest in our shared
>> pastime. How have you communicated the science, the camaraderie, and the
>> intrigue of the radio art? Real-world examples would be inspiring to read
>> about.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 20:42:38 -0400
> From: Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net>
> To: Dave W8OV <dave.w8ov at gmail.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Effective ways to introduce amateur radio to
> newcomers?
> Message-ID:
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> No need to apologize, Dave -- the personal connections we make with ham
> radio *are* one of the reasons we stick with it.
>
> It's not relevant to the art, science, or hobby of ham radio that the
> unexplored potential of my new ham license kept me going through the
> absolute mental health *disaster* that was seventh grade, but it's
> important to me, and it's part of why *I've* stuck around the hobby (and at
> all).
>
> 73,
>
> Julie
>
> On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 7:32?PM Dave W8OV via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
>> After reading various posts on this topic, and re-reading the Subject,
>> it does say "...ways to introduce amateur radio...", without "and
>> persist in". I've had a half dozen hobbies in my 80+ years, but I have
>> persisted in only amateur radio to this day. I dabble in one or two
>> others, but no comparison to amateur radio in time, expense, and
>> enjoyment. So I have failed to persist in, say, 5 out of 6 hobbies.
>>
>> One activity I did as a high school physics teacher, during a unit on
>> electricity and magnetism, was bring in an HF radio, put a simple
>> antenna on the school lawn, and feed it through an open window. A
>> demonstration and discussion of amateur radio was a lesson for only one
>> day each class each year, although I sponsored a radio club after school.
>>
>> The students in the radio club made a 5-element loop antenna and a
>> wooden tripod support for it. We used it to make a brief contact with
>> the second Space Shuttle amateur radio operation. While that was
>> thrilling, the contact during class I treasure was one in which, by
>> chance, a station we heard caught the attention of one boy who said
>> "That's my dad!" We gave him a call and had a short QSO, and the boy got
>> to contact his dad. To appreciate that, you need to know that the boy
>> had left his family and joined a cult (yes, as a teenager) and had no
>> contact with his family. This QSO led to his reuniting with his family.
>> I don't know if the boy ever got a radio license, or persisted in
>> amateur radio, but for him and his family amateur radio was priceless.
>>
>> One year, after I announced the radio demonstration would be held in a
>> few days, two of my students who, unknown to me, had amateur radio
>> licenses, approached me and asked if they could demonstrate their 2m
>> handheld radios with a repeater contact. They had a radio in hand and
>> showed me how the repeater worked and I made a phone-patch call to my
>> wife. That was my first introduction to repeaters and the VHF/UHF
>> frequencies. So the radio instruction worked both ways that year.
>>
>> Sorry for the off-topic parts, but the point is that one's introduction
>> efforts can have benefits of importance, whether or not staying active
>> in the hobby is achieved.
>>
>> 73, Dave W8OV
>>
>>> On 2025-07-23 21:52, Wayne Burdick via Elecraft wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Please share any methods you've used for stirring interest in our shared
>>> pastime. How have you communicated the science, the camaraderie, and the
>>> intrigue of the radio art? Real-world examples would be inspiring to read
>>> about.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 18:50:14 -0700
> From: David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com>
> To: Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net>, "elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
> <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Introduction to ham radio
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>
> Well said.
>
> Dave? ?AB7E
>
>
>> On 7/28/2025 4:28 PM, Al Lorona wrote:
>> I hear the frustration in Dave AB7E's voice and resonate with what he has been saying; I really do. Years ago I wrote an op-ed piece very similar to Dave's comments that QST never printed... probably because it hit too close to home.
>>
>> We all know that most new licensees never get on the air. Many of them see amateur radio as a kind of 'disaster readiness'. They think that a Baofeng gives them a reliable back up plan in case of a communications outage. In my case, when I told my guys that they'd have to pass a test, most of them made a face as if to say, "I just wanted a SHTF radio in my house. You're telling me I have to take a test?" So, there's that. They made another face when I told them that a Baofeng will get them about as far as the last house on the cul-de-sac.
>>
>> Beyond that, given the current ability of even a five year old to communicate instantly with everyone everywhere, we probably have all the active hams we're ever going to get. We shouldn't believe that *anybody* should get into ham radio, any more than we believe they should get into quilting, or flute playing, or ballooning. It's a hobby, and it's not for everybody. To be a true ham, you kind of have to be an experimenter, and you kind of have to have some technical training.
>>
>> Still, where you see a little bit of interest, you have to nurture it. That's about all we're obligated to do. It's pretty much like leading a horse to water, and not much beyond that.
>>
>> Al? W6LX/4
>>
>
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