[Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 217, Issue 2
Peder Kittelson
peder.kittelson at gmail.com
Mon May 2 16:08:04 EDT 2022
Yes, one can say the K3s is at the end of its development cycle. Yet it is
at the top of the list in its development!
The real driving force here will be the thousands of K3-K3s transceivers
out there. Is it about 12,000? Anyone that wants to make good money
repairing these radios by using parts from another radio will be in
business for a long time.
I wonder if Elecraft is willing to give up this financial stream of repair
money? That part of the business could financially sustain ongoing
development of the K4.
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> 1. IndeIdefinate support for K3s? (Jerry Moore)
> 2. Re: IndeIdefinate support for K3s? (Andrew Moore)
> 3. Re: IndeIdefinate support for K3s? (w1ie at jetbroadband.com)
> 4. Re: Sherwood Receiver Tests (Chuck MacCluer)
> 5. Re: Indefinite support for K3s (Michael Carter)
> 6. Re: IndeIdefinate support for K3s? (Henk Remijn PA5KT)
> 7. Re: Sherwood Receiver Tests (Fred Jensen)
> 8. Re: IndeIdefinate support for K3s? (David Gilbert)
> 9. Re: Sherwood Receiver Tests (David Gilbert)
> 10. Re: IndeIdefinate support for K3s? (Fred Jensen)
> 11. Re: IndeIdefinate support for K3s? (Jerry Moore)
> 12. Re: Sherwood Receiver Tests (Nate Bargmann)
> 13. 40 meter 7280 KHz SSB net, May 10 (Steve Hall)
> 14. Re: Sherwood Receiver Tests (Mike Flowers)
> 15. Re: Sherwood Receiver Tests (Bill Weaver)
> 16. K1 accessories (Chris Chapman)
> 17. Replacement cost K3 fully loaded (Mike Fatchett W0MU)
> 18. Re: K1 accessories (Don Wilhelm)
> 19. Elecraft CW Net Report (kevin)
> 20. Re: Sherwood Receiver Tests (Barry Baines)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 12:26:27 +0000
> From: Jerry Moore <jermo at carolinaheli.com>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] IndeIdefinate support for K3s?
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> How long will elecraft continue to support the case 3s and are there any
> components or modules that we should buy in advance because they won't be
> supportable in the future?
>
> Tnx
> De ae4pb ..
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 08:50:46 -0400
> From: Andrew Moore <andrew.nv1b at gmail.com>
> To: Jerry Moore <jermo at carolinaheli.com>
> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IndeIdefinate support for K3s?
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> I can't speak for Elecraft but given the present disruptions in parts,
> supply chains and labor, coupled with inflation, I have to wonder how they
> could possibly give an answer other than "as long as possible."
>
> Something you might consider (maybe you already have) is buy a backup K3S
> to serve as a donor if something goes south with your main one. There are
> loads of them coming on the market now, and if you already have a working
> one, you have more time to hold out for a good price on a second one. This
> is exactly what I did for an Omni D recently. It's great peace of mind for
> when something goes wrong (when, not if :)
>
> 73,
> Andrew NV1B
> ..
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 8:28 AM Jerry Moore <jermo at carolinaheli.com> wrote:
>
> > How long will elecraft continue to support the case 3s and are there any
> > components or modules that we should buy in advance because they won't be
> > supportable in the future?
> >
> > Tnx
> > De ae4pb ..
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 10:04:13 -0400
> From: <w1ie at jetbroadband.com>
> To: "'Andrew Moore'" <andrew.nv1b at gmail.com>, "'Jerry Moore'"
> <jermo at carolinaheli.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IndeIdefinate support for K3s?
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> In the Air Force, we called these extras "Hanger Queens" - never to fly
> again.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jerry, W1IE
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> On
> Behalf Of Andrew Moore
> Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2022 08:51 AM
> To: Jerry Moore <jermo at carolinaheli.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IndeIdefinate support for K3s?
>
> I can't speak for Elecraft but given the present disruptions in parts,
> supply chains and labor, coupled with inflation, I have to wonder how they
> could possibly give an answer other than "as long as possible."
>
> Something you might consider (maybe you already have) is buy a backup K3S
> to
> serve as a donor if something goes south with your main one. There are
> loads
> of them coming on the market now, and if you already have a working one,
> you
> have more time to hold out for a good price on a second one. This is
> exactly
> what I did for an Omni D recently. It's great peace of mind for when
> something goes wrong (when, not if :)
>
> 73,
> Andrew NV1B
> ..
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 8:28 AM Jerry Moore <jermo at carolinaheli.com> wrote:
>
> > How long will elecraft continue to support the case 3s and are there
> > any components or modules that we should buy in advance because they
> > won't be supportable in the future?
> >
> > Tnx
> > De ae4pb ..
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Get Outlook for
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> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 10:04:34 -0400
> From: Chuck MacCluer <maccluer13 at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Receiver Tests
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> The K3 and K3S are dead ends --- they are frozen at their present
> capabilities. The K4 is a partially filled canvas that can improve over
> time. For example, the K4s I hear on the air still have, like the K3xs,
> that ugly popup in the unwanted sideband. They compare in this respect
> unfavorably with the lowly IC-7300. But the K4 will someday possess
> predistortion and consequently a pristine transmitted SSB signal. Unlike
> its predecessors, the K4 has an unlimited future. That's the nature of a
> full SDR.
>
> Chuck w8mqw
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 15:42:54 +0000
> From: Michael Carter <Mike.Carter at unh.edu>
> To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Indefinite support for K3s
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> Wayne, N6KR, posted on 23 April that Eric (WA6HHQ) will
> have an update on K3 modules 'next week.'
>
> My recollection is that Elecraft set a cutoff date in spring 2021
> for ordering of K3/K3s modules to gauge interest and allow
> ordering of long-lead-time parts.
>
> I can't find another recent post in which it was said that
> there may be a few 'spares' of select K3/K3s modules
> available for those who did not order them in spring 2021.
>
> 73,
> Mike, K8CN
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 19:19:37 +0200
> From: Henk Remijn PA5KT <pa5kt at remijn.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IndeIdefinate support for K3s?
> Message-ID: <167720b0-ac8b-fdbb-b911-573ea604065d at remijn.net>
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> It helps sometimes to read through the history of this maillist.
>
> This questions have been asked 100 times the last 10 days.
>
> Henk
>
> Op 1-5-2022 om 14:26 schreef Jerry Moore:
> > How long will elecraft continue to support the case 3s and are there any
> components or modules that we should buy in advance because they won't be
> supportable in the future?
> >
> > Tnx
> > De ae4pb ..
> >
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> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 12:20:32 -0700
> From: Fred Jensen <k6dgwnv at gmail.com>
> To: Chuck MacCluer <maccluer13 at gmail.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Receiver Tests
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> Just love pronouncements as the concrete hardens around them! ?? "640
> kB should be enough for everyone."*? "At very best, the worldwide market
> for a computer like this will be six or seven."**? "The K3s is a dead end."
>
> A "dead end" road stops.? It no longer works as a road.? The
> functionality of my K3 [#642 with new synth, gen coverage BPF] continues
> and will continue until something breaks.? It's not a dead end.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> * Often incorrectly attributed to Bill Gates
> ** Allegedly forecast by an IBM executive in the late 50's
>
> Chuck MacCluer wrote on 5/1/2022 7:04 AM:
> > The K3 and K3S are dead ends --- they are frozen at their present
> > capabilities. The K4 is a partially filled canvas that can improve over
> > time. For example, the K4s I hear on the air still have, like the K3xs,
> > that ugly popup in the unwanted sideband. They compare in this respect
> > unfavorably with the lowly IC-7300. But the K4 will someday possess
> > predistortion and consequently a pristine transmitted SSB signal. Unlike
> > its predecessors, the K4 has an unlimited future. That's the nature of a
> > full SDR.
> >
> > Chuck w8mqw
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 12:20:40 -0700
> From: David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IndeIdefinate support for K3s?
> Message-ID: <bc88f79a-ff46-d06a-232a-0b0247684677 at gmail.com>
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>
>
> That window is closed.? Elecraft offered a last time buy of modules for?
> the K3 and K3s some time ago.? They hinted that they might have made a
> few extras, but for the most part what you have now is what you (or
> someone else) will have forever unless you buy a spare rig for parts.
>
> That's not the scenario Elecraft originally promoted when I bought my
> K3, but they clearly decided they couldn't do that and support the
> ongoing effort on the K4 at the same time.? Parts are obviously still
> available for the modules and accessories for which they accepted last
> time buy orders ... they just decided not to make any more after that.
>
> I guess one way to look at this is that Elecraft is a small company that
> outgrew its ability to do everything they said they would.
> Understandable maybe, but unfortunate.
>
> 73,
> Dave?? AB7E
>
>
>
>
> On 5/1/2022 5:26 AM, Jerry Moore wrote:
> > How long will elecraft continue to support the case 3s and are there any
> components or modules that we should buy in advance because they won't be
> supportable in the future?
> >
> > Tnx
> > De ae4pb ..
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 12:50:44 -0700
> From: David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Receiver Tests
> Message-ID: <e7622ada-42cd-7d8a-ea8c-c3c25f5ace80 at gmail.com>
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>
> The K3s and the K3 with new synths aren't "dead ends".? The great
> majority of specs for both rigs are better than the K4 and will be until
> the K4HD comes out at three times the price.? The K3 and K3s are only
> "dead ends" because of a business decision, not a technical one.
>
> Dave?? AB7E
>
>
> On 5/1/2022 7:04 AM, Chuck MacCluer wrote:
> > The K3 and K3S are dead ends --- they are frozen at their present
> > capabilities. The K4 is a partially filled canvas that can improve over
> > time. For example, the K4s I hear on the air still have, like the K3xs,
> > that ugly popup in the unwanted sideband. They compare in this respect
> > unfavorably with the lowly IC-7300. But the K4 will someday possess
> > predistortion and consequently a pristine transmitted SSB signal. Unlike
> > its predecessors, the K4 has an unlimited future. That's the nature of a
> > full SDR.
> >
> > Chuck w8mqw
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 12:53:10 -0700
> From: Fred Jensen <k6dgwnv at gmail.com>
> To: David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IndeIdefinate support for K3s?
> Message-ID: <7110fc98-1cad-8be0-ce6e-aedd456cc8dd at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> I don't think it has much if anything to do with the size of Elecraft.?
> WW2 gear was built with point-to-point wiring and components [e.g.
> resistors, capacitors] that were available through the 40's, 50's, 60's,
> 70's,? 80's, and even into the early 90's.? My Swan 500C in the late
> 60's was still wired point-to-point. You could buy a .01 mfd capacitor?
> ... in the 40's it would likely be wax impregnated paper with two leads,
> later it might be a disc ceramic with two leads maybe a little smaller
> but still visible.
>
> Technology made a sharp turn as silicon replaced nearly everything and
> "Honey, I shrank all the parts" became a great hit at the box office.?
> And, the availability life of the nearly invisible parts decreased
> dramatically. More and more function was being crammed into less and
> less space, and the individual parts did far more than just provide
> capacitive reactance.? Many multi-functional things you could buy
> readily in early 2000 were closing in on unobtanium before the the end
> of the decade. It's affected everything and everyone, it will probably
> continue, and Elecraft is caught in it just like everyone else.
>
> And, then there's the Great Exodus to Offshore Manufacturing ... another
> factor for another time.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> David Gilbert wrote on 5/1/2022 12:20 PM:
> > I guess one way to look at this is that Elecraft is a small company
> > that outgrew its ability to do everything they said they would.
> > Understandable maybe, but unfortunate.
> >
> > 73,
> > Dave?? AB7E
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5/1/2022 5:26 AM, Jerry Moore wrote:
> >> How long will elecraft continue to support the case 3s and are there
> >> any components or modules that we should buy in advance because they
> >> won't be supportable in the future?
> >>
> >> Tnx
> >> De ae4pb ..
> >
>
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 20:06:18 +0000
> From: Jerry Moore <jermo at carolinaheli.com>
> To: Fred Jensen <k6dgwnv at gmail.com>, David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com>
> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IndeIdefinate support for K3s?
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> I guess my question was more geared toward if I had to repair and module
> are the components still available to fix the module not necessarily the
> module itself.
>
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> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> on behalf of Fred Jensen <k6dgwnv at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2022 3:53:10 PM
> To: David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IndeIdefinate support for K3s?
>
> I don't think it has much if anything to do with the size of Elecraft.
> WW2 gear was built with point-to-point wiring and components [e.g.
> resistors, capacitors] that were available through the 40's, 50's, 60's,
> 70's, 80's, and even into the early 90's. My Swan 500C in the late
> 60's was still wired point-to-point. You could buy a .01 mfd capacitor
> ... in the 40's it would likely be wax impregnated paper with two leads,
> later it might be a disc ceramic with two leads maybe a little smaller
> but still visible.
>
> Technology made a sharp turn as silicon replaced nearly everything and
> "Honey, I shrank all the parts" became a great hit at the box office.
> And, the availability life of the nearly invisible parts decreased
> dramatically. More and more function was being crammed into less and
> less space, and the individual parts did far more than just provide
> capacitive reactance. Many multi-functional things you could buy
> readily in early 2000 were closing in on unobtanium before the the end
> of the decade. It's affected everything and everyone, it will probably
> continue, and Elecraft is caught in it just like everyone else.
>
> And, then there's the Great Exodus to Offshore Manufacturing ... another
> factor for another time.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> David Gilbert wrote on 5/1/2022 12:20 PM:
> > I guess one way to look at this is that Elecraft is a small company
> > that outgrew its ability to do everything they said they would.
> > Understandable maybe, but unfortunate.
> >
> > 73,
> > Dave AB7E
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5/1/2022 5:26 AM, Jerry Moore wrote:
> >> How long will elecraft continue to support the case 3s and are there
> >> any components or modules that we should buy in advance because they
> >> won't be supportable in the future?
> >>
> >> Tnx
> >> De ae4pb ..
> >
>
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 15:42:00 -0500
> From: Nate Bargmann <n0nb at n0nb.us>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Receiver Tests
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> * On 2022 01 May 14:52 -0500, David Gilbert wrote:
> >
> > The K3s and the K3 with new synths aren't "dead ends".
>
> I agree with Chuck that the K3 series are dead ends in the sense that no
> more development effort will be put into them. Sad but true. There are
> some aspects that I'd like to see improved in the firmware but it simply
> is not going to happen. As fine of a radio as my K3 is, Elecraft has
> moved on. That is the reality.
>
> It is also a reality that my K3 continues to perform as well as it ever
> has and has provided me with years of trouble free enjoyment.
>
> 73, Nate, N0NB
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 17:08:37 -0400
> From: Steve Hall <99sunset at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] 40 meter 7280 KHz SSB net, May 10
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> The band was in good shape today. Good signal strength with low noise.
> Thanks to my relay stations.
>
> WM6P STEVE GA K4D
> WB9EJB ED IN K4D
> W4DML DOUG TN K3
> WY3T TIM FL K3S
> K8NU CARL OH KX3
> KD4PBJ CHRIS TN KX3
> KB9AVO PAUL IN K4
> N8SBE DAVE MI K3S
> KA4CTW BOB KY KX3
> AE6JV BILL NH K3
> KG4WXU JERRY TN KX3
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 14:38:44 -0700
> From: "Mike Flowers" <mike.flowers at gmail.com>
> To: "'Nate Bargmann'" <n0nb at n0nb.us>, <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Receiver Tests
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> There is a business opportunity here for someone with the HF transceiver
> diagnostic and SMD replacement skills and equipment.
>
> Someone who does excellent Elecraft service work at reasonable prices would
> never want for business. And if the work is of consistently high enough
> quality, perhaps Elecraft would designate them as an Authorized Service
> Center.
>
> Low fruit, just waiting to be picked by the right person(s) ...
>
> - 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, NCDXC Vice-President 2021-2022 - In
> pursuit
> of DXCELLENCE!
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-
> > bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Nate Bargmann
> > Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2022 13:42
> > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Receiver Tests
> >
> > * On 2022 01 May 14:52 -0500, David Gilbert wrote:
> > >
> > > The K3s and the K3 with new synths aren't "dead ends".
> >
> > I agree with Chuck that the K3 series are dead ends in the sense that no
> more
> > development effort will be put into them. Sad but true. There are some
> > aspects that I'd like to see improved in the firmware but it simply is
> not
> going
> > to happen. As fine of a radio as my K3 is, Elecraft has moved on. That
> is the
> > reality.
> >
> > It is also a reality that my K3 continues to perform as well as it ever
> has and
> > has provided me with years of trouble free enjoyment.
> >
> > 73, Nate, N0NB
> >
> > --
> > "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds.
> The
> > pessimist fears this is true."
> > Web: https://www.n0nb.us
> > Projects: https://github.com/N0NB
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> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 17:47:32 -0400
> From: Bill Weaver <bweaver at weaver-net.net>
> To: Mike Flowers <mike.flowers at gmail.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Receiver Tests
> Message-ID: <E2D635D4-6A03-417A-BA6E-736BFFF72D45 at weaver-net.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> There are a few of those around now. Of course they have varying
> capabilities relative to SMD. A buddy of mine just recently had a K3
> repaired by N3CZ over in North Carolina. He turned it in a few weeks.
>
> 73,
> Bill WE5P
>
> Comfortably Numb
>
> > On May 1, 2022, at 17:40, Mike Flowers <mike.flowers at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?There is a business opportunity here for someone with the HF transceiver
> > diagnostic and SMD replacement skills and equipment.
> >
> > Someone who does excellent Elecraft service work at reasonable prices
> would
> > never want for business. And if the work is of consistently high enough
> > quality, perhaps Elecraft would designate them as an Authorized Service
> > Center.
> >
> > Low fruit, just waiting to be picked by the right person(s) ...
> >
> > - 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, NCDXC Vice-President 2021-2022 - In
> pursuit
> > of DXCELLENCE!
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-
> >> bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Nate Bargmann
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2022 13:42
> >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Receiver Tests
> >>
> >> * On 2022 01 May 14:52 -0500, David Gilbert wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The K3s and the K3 with new synths aren't "dead ends".
> >>
> >> I agree with Chuck that the K3 series are dead ends in the sense that no
> > more
> >> development effort will be put into them. Sad but true. There are some
> >> aspects that I'd like to see improved in the firmware but it simply is
> not
> > going
> >> to happen. As fine of a radio as my K3 is, Elecraft has moved on. That
> > is the
> >> reality.
> >>
> >> It is also a reality that my K3 continues to perform as well as it ever
> > has and
> >> has provided me with years of trouble free enjoyment.
> >>
> >> 73, Nate, N0NB
> >>
> >> --
> >> "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds.
> > The
> >> pessimist fears this is true."
> >> Web: https://www.n0nb.us
> >> Projects: https://github.com/N0NB
> >> GPG fingerprint: 82D6 4F6B 0E67 CD41 F689 BBA6 FB2C 5130 D55A 8819
> >>
> >> ______________________________________________________________
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> >> delivered to mike.flowers at gmail.com
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 23:50:05 +0000
> From: Chris Chapman <vk3qb at hotmail.com>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K1 accessories
> Message-ID:
> <
> PSAPR03MB626765F0148EA536397D5407F2FE9 at PSAPR03MB6267.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com
> >
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hello all,
>
> I've been able to buy a K1 here in VK. It is in excellent condition (Ser.
> No 3380) and has 20 & 40m only.
>
> I know Elecraft stopped supporting some time ago and accessories etc are
> pretty much discontinued. I'm interested in getting 15 & 17m band modules
> - can anyone offer any thoughts on where I might ask around - or advertise
> a "wanted".... Other than eHam.net.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Chris VK3QB
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 18:40:58 -0600
> From: Mike Fatchett W0MU <w0mu at w0mu.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Replacement cost K3 fully loaded
> Message-ID: <387fc409-fd79-c221-4376-b9cf19de17b5 at w0mu.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Looking for guestimates for insurance purposes.? K3 dual receivers full
> of filters etc.
>
> W0MU
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 21:32:28 -0400
> From: Don Wilhelm <don at w3fpr.com>
> To: Chris Chapman <vk3qb at hotmail.com>, "elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
> <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 accessories
> Message-ID: <152ef738-5166-2d62-ccd6-5e35c70849cd at w3fpr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Chris,
>
> That is quite feasible - getting a board is the starting problem.
>
> If you can find a 2 band board for any band(s), you can order the
> crystals for the bands you want from Elecraft.
> They may also have the K1 band kits in stock which have the capacitors
> required for that band.? Worst case, you may have to order the
> capacitors separately if Elecraft no longer has the K1 band kits.
> If Elecraft no longer has the crystals, you may have to order custom
> crystals - they must be fundamental mode crystals - overtone mode will
> not work properly.
> See the K1 band kit instructions for the components required. Download
> the instructions from Elecraft website.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 5/1/2022 7:50 PM, Chris Chapman wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I've been able to buy a K1 here in VK. It is in excellent condition
> (Ser. No 3380) and has 20 & 40m only.
> >
> > I know Elecraft stopped supporting some time ago and accessories etc are
> pretty much discontinued. I'm interested in getting 15 & 17m band modules
> - can anyone offer any thoughts on where I might ask around - or advertise
> a "wanted".... Other than eHam.net.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Chris VK3QB
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> >
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> > Message delivered to don at w3fpr.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 19:44:33 -0700
> From: kevin <kevinr at coho.net>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
> Message-ID: <f5920dcd-cdd5-5c7e-faaf-5393cc68622d at coho.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Good Evening,
>
> ?? The bands were so so.? QSB from S0 to S8 at times, with waves of
> noise.? The sun has been up to something.? It did show up for a few
> minutes, now it is gone again.? Spring arrives slowly here. Trilliums
> are blooming in the warmer spots.
>
>
> ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:
>
> W0CZ - Ken - ND
>
> K4JPN - Steve - GA
>
> K6XK - Roy - IA
>
>
> ? On 7047.5 kHz at 2330z:
>
> WM5F - Dwight - ID
>
> K6PJV - Dale - CA
>
> K0DTJ - Brian - CA
>
>
> ?? I started watching Harvey over dinner.? I thought a Pooka was
> seasonal, but Jimmy Stewart brings him to life.? Movies were different
> in 1950.? There was no CGI of a 6' 3 1/2" tall rabbit. Nor was there any
> color.? Just a good story.
>
>
> Until next week 73,
>
> ?? Kevin.? KD5ONS
>
>
> -
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 00:39:53 -0400
> From: Barry Baines <bbaines at mac.com>
> To: Chuck MacCluer <maccluer13 at gmail.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Receiver Tests
> Message-ID: <15B0A319-92A0-4EFD-AF1B-8550E849C57A at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Chuck:
>
> > On May 1, 2022, at 10:04 AM, Chuck MacCluer <maccluer13 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > The K3 and K3S are dead ends --- they are frozen at their present
> > capabilities. The K4 is a partially filled canvas that can improve over
> > time. For example, the K4s I hear on the air still have, like the K3xs,
> > that ugly popup in the unwanted sideband. They compare in this respect
> > unfavorably with the lowly IC-7300. But the K4 will someday possess
> > predistortion and consequently a pristine transmitted SSB signal. Unlike
> > its predecessors, the K4 has an unlimited future. That's the nature of a
> > full SDR.
>
> Your point is certainly well taken. Performance enhancements, new
> features, bug fixes, etc. are all possible given the old adage, ?It is
> simply the software.?
>
> That said, exactly how a product line evolves over time can have a huge
> impact on both current customers and perspective customers. One can
> certainly argue that those that jumped in line on the day of product
> announcement for the K4 are ?early adopters? who are willing to purchase a
> hardware design and then be relatively patient waiting for the
> software/firmware to evolve to the point that announced features are made
> available. The tradeoff is that ?needed features? may lag behind the
> ?basic features? and that those that forked out real $$$$ for the latest
> generation of hardware may start to get ?antsy? about not being able to
> take full advantage of a product?s ?potential? as software/firmware evolves
> later.
>
> While I have no idea what Elecraft?s development timeline looks like,
> presumably their development schedule is predicated on relative priorities
> as well as creating the building blocks necessary to enhance the software
> over time. I also don?t know how large their development team is or
> whether they have other duties/responsibilities as well. As far as I know,
> they have not released a ?development roadmap?. Bottom line is that those
> that purchasers of a new generation of hardware that is fully dependent
> upon software to ?make the magic? must recognize that such development work
> will likely exceed their presumptions of how quickly such software is fully
> developed.
>
> While Elecraft is not FlexRadio, one only has to look at the history of
> Flex to see how much longer software development takes over hardware
> development to create the ?desired? product. When Flex announced their
> 6xxxx series at the 2012 Hamvention, they delivered the hardware within 18
> months of product announcement to those who ?signed up? in the first few
> months after product annoucement. I received my Flex-6700 in November 2013
> with SmartSDR for Windows version 1.0. However, the first iteration of
> SSDR (v1.0) was simply the first step in a long evolution of software
> development. It wasn't until May 2017 (five years after initial product
> announcement) that ?SmartLink? was introduced in SSDR v2.0 that allowed
> remote connectivity of Flex-6xxxx series transceivers, a product feature
> announced in 2012 and which is why I got the Flex-6700 in the first place.
>
> Almost 10 years later, we?re now seeing hardware issues starting to crop
> up with the SD cards installed in older Flex-6xxx transceivers that contain
> the ?smarts? of these products. While Flex utilizes ?industrial grade? SD
> cards, even these products apparently degrade after years of read/write
> cycles. Customers are now experiencing issues where current firmware
> upgrades ?brick? their transceivers because of the longterm degradation of
> these cards means they fail during testing of SD card performance as part
> of the firmware update. In other words, the testing is done to ensure that
> SD card is capable of accepting the new firmware and fails. Flex has been
> very responsive is supplying replacement SD cards (even though radios are
> beyond their warranty period) which is certainly appreciated, but it does
> leave a ?taste in one?s mouth? when this happens. BTW, these SD cards are
> unit specific (they apparently contain serial number information) which
> means one can?t simply copy
> the contents of one SD card and install it on a non-Flex provided SD
> Card.
>
> I note this simply to point out that today?s world of ?software defined
> radio? introduces not only new capabilities but also changes the paradigm
> about product development and longevity of products due to limitations.
> Indeed, investing in a new product release such as the K4 or the
> Flex-6xxxx means that the purchaser becomes part of that product?s
> ?ecosytem? where it may take a significant amount of time to finalize that
> ecosystem. This compares to the ?old days? where one purchased a ?radio as
> is? with limited update capabilities and one simply purchased a replacement
> as needed.
>
> FWIW,
>
> Barry Baines, WD4ASW/5
> Keller, TX
>
>
> >
> > Chuck w8mqw
>
>
>
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