[Elecraft] FW: [POSSIBLE SPAM] Re: On ground - in ground radials
Dr. William J. Schmidt
bill at wjschmidt.com
Mon Jan 17 12:35:19 EST 2022
Its properly called circulating currents.
Imagine two wires same length same signal. If they touch at the same place on both wires, same phase and amplitude, no issue. Now a different experiment... one of the wires is straight, the other is folded so that you can touch them at different points. Now, touching at different phase and amplitudes. What happens? You know the answer.
Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ
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A well known 9 lander lid uses chicken wire for his 160 antenna and it works very very well. I am not sure what effect crossing the wires has. Has anyone done any real testing of this or is it just theory or a wives tale? Did he stumble upon the holy grail of radials?
Most of the results of the radial field are from the first 50 percent or so. You do not necessarily have to have 66 ft radials on 80m to work and get out. Put out as many as you can as long as you can and shorter radials are fine too.
W0MU
On 1/16/2022 2:15 PM, Dave Fugleberg wrote:
> This discussion reminded me of a question that I’ve often wondered
> about but have never asked.
> I have read that when laying out radials on or under the ground, one
> should be careful to ensure that they radiate out from a central point
> without ever crossing one another.
>
> I have also read about this idea of using galvanized mesh in place of
> a traditional radial field. In a mesh, the conductors not only cross,
> but are bonded together at every crossing.
>
> So, is there actually an issue if a couple radials happen to cross
> each other?
>
> Not that one would do so on purpose, but when adding radials to a
> system where the existing ones are no longer visible, it could easily
> happen…
>
> Curious minds want to know.
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 2:55 PM Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/16/2022 12:19 PM, Mike Markowski wrote:
>>> A construction site had left over galvanized mesh rolls that I
>>> bought at great discount. I unrolled them symmetrically about my
>>> then soon-to-be installed vertical. Easier than individual for lazy
>>> hams like me:-) and 2nd qso at 100W from Pennsylvania was Cambodia!
>>> That qso made my day and then some.
>> Rob Sherwood, KC0B, published on this in the May 1977 edition of "Ham
>> Radio," and I included his ideas in this talk.
>>
>> http://k9yc.com/160MPacificon.pdf
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
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