[Elecraft] On ground - in ground radials
Tom & Barb Valosin
valosin at midtel.net
Sun Jan 16 11:20:11 EST 2022
Now in my mid seventies I have embraced the idea of conservation of
energy. Digging in radials does not interest me. Likewise, catching them
in lawn equipment is also a PIA. So, here is what I have done and it has
worked well. I trim the grass. Then I use a length of string and
stretch it out along the path of the future radial. Next I take a
"weed-wacker" and shorten the grass a bit more. Now I use any old
available can of spray paint and spray a few marks along the length of
the string. Remember to roll up the string now - no longer needed. Then
I take my radial wire, make the connection at the antenna base and
stretch the wire out along the marked path. Depending of the
levelness/evenness of the surface I then take a nail and make one wrap
of the radial around the nail, tighten the wire so it is straight with
no loops and insert the nail into the dirt. Do this along the length of
the radial. Typically I do it about every 10 to 15 feet. In a couple of
days the grass grows and the wire is so low (deeply embedded) in the
grass that mowing will not be an issue. The entire radial system need
not be done at one time and it is easy to add radials if you wish. HINT
- get a grandchild to help, or a neighborhood youngster or a person
working toward their license or one of the younger club members or .....
anyone but yourself. Remember however to compensate them for their time
and effort!
Tom, WB2KLD
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> 1. Re: Loss in window line (Paul Gordon N6LL)
> 2. Re: [OT] Loss in window line [OPINION] [LONG] (Ed Cole)
> 3. Re: New wattmeter plans? (Steve Masticola)
> 4. Re: New wattmeter plans? (Dan Brown)
> 5. Re: New wattmeter plans? (Michael Walker)
> 6. K Line: Signal loss in a QSO (rikoski)
> 7. K3 Utility vs macOS Monterey? (Don Putnick)
> 8. Re: K Line: Signal loss in a QSO (Dave)
> 9. Re: K3 Utility vs macOS Monterey? (Bayard Coolidge, N1HO)
> 10. Re: K Line: Signal loss in a QSO (Linda M)
> 11. Re: K Line: Signal loss in a QSO (Linda M)
> 12. New wattmeter plans? (Chuck Guenther)
> 13. Re: K Line: Signal loss in a QSO (Ronnie Hull)
> 14. Elecraft KPA500 sn 1910 dead. (Sam Sargent)
> 15. Re: K2 Menu and Tune Buttons (Don Wilhelm)
> 16. Re: K Line: Signal loss in a QSO (KE8G)
> 17. Re: K Line: Signal loss in a QSO (Dave (NK7Z))
> 18. Elecraft CW Net Announcement (kevin)
> 19. Re: K Line: Signal loss in a QSO (KE8G)
> 20. Re: K Line: Signal loss in a QSO (Dave (NK7Z))
> 21. Re: New wattmeter plans? (Steve Masticola)
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> 23. Re: K Line: Signal loss in a QSO (Dave (NK7Z))
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 14:07:54 -0800
> From: Paul Gordon N6LL <n6ll at pacbell.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Loss in window line
> Message-ID: <70f2854a-8d7b-b9ef-d21f-f3890dfc05c2 at pacbell.net>
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> Waxing about old ham lore, a "Strays" item on page 132 of the December
> 1946 QST has W6KA repeating advice from W3LPY and W1MJH that
> "Simonizing" 300 ohm line (or using floor wax) will "eliminate the
> impedance change during rainy weather."
>
> Paul, N6LL - current Trustee of W6KA
>
> p.s.- That would be the impedance presented to the transmitter which
> changes, not the characteristic impedance of the line.
>
> On 1/14/2022 1:22 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
>> Based on my measurements and method I used to measure 100 ft of window
>> line, the loss in the line from dry to wet is frankly nil. However,
>> the wet line does show a velocity factory change, in effect an
>> electrical change in line length, and thus when connected to an
>> antenna, will have a small effect on the impedance at the station end
>> of the line.
>>
>> I really think and believe many comments and opinions regarding window
>> line, are more "old ham lore" not based on true and complete facts.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Bob, K4TAX
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 13:09:39 -0900
> From: Ed Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Loss in window line [OPINION] [LONG]
> Message-ID: <39843952-a667-27e3-e7d8-b3b1673c4981 at acsalaska.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Good discussion as I was thinking to use window line in my new 630m -
> 40m antenna.
>
> Maybe revert to running parallel lines spaced 1-foot with spreaders only
> at top and bottom of 40-foot vertical run.
>
> I did that with my previous inverted-L with no weather related issues.
> Impedance did shift between summer (unfrozen soil) and winter (frozen)
> which was easily compensated by a change in loading coil tap.
>
> Radials were lying on ground vs in-ground or suspended above ground.
> New radial field will be planted in the soil a couple inches (so I can
> mow the lawn without rolling up the radials each time).
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> recent "fun" getting FL-digi to work with my K3.
>
> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 13:21:50 -0800
> From: Fred Jensen <k6dgwnv at gmail.com>
> To: Bob McGraw <rmcgraw at benlomand.net>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 213, Issue 6
> Message-ID: <09a385cb-07b4-29f8-0c64-464705bdae2d at gmail.com>
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> My experience as well.? No real change in loss but the complex impedance
> at the TX end does change enough to require a re-tune.? It used to be so
> much simpler when the tank circuit on the PA served as both a matching
> network and harmonic filter. ?
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 22:23:52 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Steve Masticola <steve.masticola at verizon.net>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New wattmeter plans?
> Message-ID: <55444150.225385.1642199032933 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Bob, I own a Bird 43 and a few slugs. Problems for station use: It's not autoranging, doesn't directly measure SWR, and it's a bit cumbersome to leave on a shelf top. I tried yesterday and I didn't have a good place for it where it wouldn't be in the way of something.
>
> 73, -Steve WX2S
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 17:48:07 -0500
> From: Dan Brown <daniel.h.brown at gmail.com>
> To: Steve Masticola <steve.masticola at verizon.net>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New wattmeter plans?
> Message-ID: <68562FD6-6D6D-43E8-8A04-EE6AC54B0223 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
>
> Steve ? To your point - they?re aimed at different uses.
>
> I?ve got a W2 - quite happy with it. It?s perfect for what it does. Stays in line, let?s me know what?s going on between the rig and the antenna, and I can use it remotely ? which is how I generally operate ? even if remotely is just one part of the house to another.
>
> Would love to see a refresh and modernization - of the software if nothing else. Maybe build the controller part on an ESP32 type platform. Make it WiFi or Bluetooth connected? Who knows. Possibilities are endless.
>
>
>
> --
> Daniel.H.Brown at gmail.com
>
>> On Jan 14, 2022, at 5:25 PM, Steve Masticola via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?Bob, I own a Bird 43 and a few slugs. Problems for station use: It's not autoranging, doesn't directly measure SWR, and it's a bit cumbersome to leave on a shelf top. I tried yesterday and I didn't have a good place for it where it wouldn't be in the way of something.
>>
>> 73, -Steve WX2S
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 17:24:39 -0800
> From: Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
> To: Dan Brown <daniel.h.brown at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>, Steve
> Masticola <steve.masticola at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New wattmeter plans?
> Message-ID:
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>
> Many of us remote operators have interfaced most watt meters that have an
> RS232 port to be web based.
>
> The investment can be as basic as a Raspberry PI, USB/RS232 adapter and the
> cable that goes with the wattmeter. Using the NodeRed hardware integration
> tool it will give you a web based access to the watt meter (and most other
> devices).
>
> I can see live RF transmission data such as RF power on my iPhone, Macbook,
> PC or anything else that has a web browser on it.
>
> There is a group on groups.io that has 95% of the hard work done for you
> and you don't need to reinvent the wheel. Just bolt it on the car. :)
>
> I have used it with my W2 and my LP100a. Very handy.
>
> Mike va3mw
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 2:49 PM Dan Brown <daniel.h.brown at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Steve ? To your point - they?re aimed at different uses.
>>
>> I?ve got a W2 - quite happy with it. It?s perfect for what it does. Stays
>> in line, let?s me know what?s going on between the rig and the antenna, and
>> I can use it remotely ? which is how I generally operate ? even if remotely
>> is just one part of the house to another.
>>
>> Would love to see a refresh and modernization - of the software if nothing
>> else. Maybe build the controller part on an ESP32 type platform. Make it
>> WiFi or Bluetooth connected? Who knows. Possibilities are endless.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Daniel.H.Brown at gmail.com
>>
>>> On Jan 14, 2022, at 5:25 PM, Steve Masticola via Elecraft <
>> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>> ?Bob, I own a Bird 43 and a few slugs. Problems for station use: It's
>> not autoranging, doesn't directly measure SWR, and it's a bit cumbersome to
>> leave on a shelf top. I tried yesterday and I didn't have a good place for
>> it where it wouldn't be in the way of something.
>>> 73, -Steve WX2S
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 10:15:29 -0600
> From: rikoski <rikoski at rikoski.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Cc: Richard Rikoski <rikoski at rikoski.com>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K Line: Signal loss in a QSO
> Message-ID: <EFFC766F-0DA4-4134-9FBB-D3CE49154669 at rikoski.com>
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> I have a K3, P3, KAT500 and KPA500. I was listening in the middle of a QSO and lost signal.
>
> I tested my antenna with a back up transceiver and the antenna and coax are good.
>
> The P3 still shows signals but only hiss comes out of the K3?s speaker.
>
> Keying the k3 by pressing the attached foot pedal turns on the red Tx light on the K3 but the display on the KPA500 shows an asterisk to the left of the power out reading of zero on its display.
>
> No signal goes to the antenna and nothing besides hiss comes out of the speaker.
>
> What should I do next?
>
> Thanks. W9ZD
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 08:19:34 -0800
> From: Don Putnick <donnieput at gmail.com>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility vs macOS Monterey?
> Message-ID:
> <CA+T3j_Us8=0dcahuNS+QPwbdbPECL_mGs=42HBQV2SjfjD+jSw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Today was the first time I tried using the K3 Utility since upgrading my
> MacBook Pro to macOS Monterey v12.1 . The Utility doesn't see the USB
> ports, only the Bluetooth port. Anyone else having this problem? Time for a
> K3 Utility update? The last update was in September 2019.
> 73 Don NA6Z
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 08:34:56 -0800
> From: Dave <dave at nk7z.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K Line: Signal loss in a QSO
> Message-ID: <6179381e-6c27-4d8a-3ddf-96a838957458 at nk7z.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Hi,
>
> If it were me, I would bypass everything and feed the antenna directly
> to the K3. If things work after that step, it is not the K3.
>
> Again, if it were me, I would begin adding things back, one at a time,
> until the failure returns. At that point, I would conclude that the
> last device added was failed, and look there.
>
> If it is the K3, I would then come back from my last backup of the
> settings and see if that fixes things...
>
> If that fails to bring the K3 back, I would re-post my question, with
> all the test info I have gathered above.
>
> I would call support, but the last time I called, I got a message, not a
> person.
>
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>
> On 1/15/22 08:15, rikoski wrote:
>> I have a K3, P3, KAT500 and KPA500. I was listening in the middle of a QSO and lost signal.
>>
>> I tested my antenna with a back up transceiver and the antenna and coax are good.
>>
>> The P3 still shows signals but only hiss comes out of the K3?s speaker.
>>
>> Keying the k3 by pressing the attached foot pedal turns on the red Tx light on the K3 but the display on the KPA500 shows an asterisk to the left of the power out reading of zero on its display.
>>
>> No signal goes to the antenna and nothing besides hiss comes out of the speaker.
>>
>> What should I do next?
>>
>> Thanks. W9ZD
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 16:57:40 +0000 (UTC)
> From: "Bayard Coolidge, N1HO" <n1ho at yahoo.com>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>, Don Putnick
> <donnieput at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Utility vs macOS Monterey?
> Message-ID: <1338423407.315733.1642265860089 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Does the USB port show up when you go to 'About This Mac' and then to 'System Report' and then to 'Hardware:USB' ?
> Assuming you are using a quality USB cable (from either Elecraft or Sabrent) that uses the FTDI chip set, and not someother cable that uses a Prolific chip set. (I have several USB devices on my Mac, and I keep careful track of which iswhich by tracking their serial numbers as denoted by the /dev filenames in addition to what 'About This Mac' displays,as I've run into problems in the past, particularly when using Windows under Parallels, given how picky Windows isabout device ports and ordering).
> Does the port show up under another program, such as WSJT-X or JTDX? Were either of those programs (or othersthat may be trying to use the particular USB port) still running when you invoked the K3 Utility? I don't control my K3using RUMlog (which I do use for logging), but it does have some rig control capabilities, for example. I'm not familiarwith the other Mac logging programs out there, so I can't comment on what effect they might have in your situation.
> 73,
> Brandy, N1HO
>
>
> On Saturday, January 15, 2022, 11:21:21 AM EST, Don Putnick <donnieput at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Today was the first time I tried using the K3 Utility since upgrading my
> MacBook Pro to macOS Monterey v12.1 . The Utility doesn't see the USB
> ports, only the Bluetooth port. Anyone else having this problem? Time for a
> K3 Utility update? The last update was in September 2019.
> 73 Don NA6Z
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 09:20:00 -0800
> From: Linda M <wa6vab at gmail.com>
> To: Dave <dave at nk7z.net>, "elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
> <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K Line: Signal loss in a QSO
> Message-ID: <823C06FE-AE48-48E6-93A7-E0A18262426C at hxcore.ol>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 09:20:00 -0800
> From: Linda M <wa6vab at gmail.com>
> To: Dave <dave at nk7z.net>, "elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
> <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K Line: Signal loss in a QSO
> Message-ID: <823C06FE-AE48-48E6-93A7-E0A18262426C at hxcore.ol>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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>
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 11:58:53 -0600
> From: Chuck Guenther <charles9415 at att.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] New wattmeter plans?
> Message-ID: <511df2b8-35da-28d5-0ddc-825fe630e4ff at att.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> In terms of modernizing the Elecraft W2, I'm surprised no one so far has
> mentioned the excellent digital display unit offered by KV5J. The combo
> works great.
>
> 73,
> Chuck? NI0C
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 13:02:06 -0600
> From: Ronnie Hull <w5sum at comcast.net>
> To: Linda M <wa6vab at gmail.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K Line: Signal loss in a QSO
> Message-ID: <92F4E393-01DF-48F9-B18F-B748D8804E65 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> I had the exact same problem! It?s been Elecraft for a few months now. Hopefully I will get it back before summer
> W5SUM
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 11:22 AM, Linda M <wa6vab at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?
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> Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 19:17:26 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Sam Sargent <n1sfm at yahoo.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KPA500 sn 1910 dead.
> Message-ID: <1492441922.323706.1642274246074 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
>
> I bought this KPA500 from the estate of a friend whois a SK.? I queried Elecraft about themanufacture date and learned that the unit is factory built and delivered inMarch 2014.? The unit was originally setup to operate on 220 vac.
>
> I used my KUSB cable to connect the KPA500 to mycomputer, attached a dummy load to the output, and connected the power cord tothe amp.? I had changed the fuse blockand installed two 12-amp EC fuses that I checked for continuity, reinstalledthe fuse holder so ?115 V? shows in the window, and made sure that the fuseblock was fully seated.? I removed thecover and, since my line voltage shows 123 vac, connected the yellowtransformer lead.
>
> I set the rocker switch on the fuse block (3) to ON (!),then tapped the ?ON? switch (11) on the front panel.? There was no response to the ?turn on?procedure.? The KPA500 is as dead as a doornail.
>
> I have spent several hours trying to troubleshootthis problem.? I have checked my 120 vac,20 amp duplex outlet and a am sure that it is delivering power to thecord.? I have substituted another power cord.? The safety interlock (chicken) switch isdepressed by a pin mounted on the underside of the cover.? I have tested this switch and tested the ampwith the switch ?locked? closed, no joy.?
> I have exhausted all thetroubleshooting ideas that are within my capabilities.? I hope that another KPA500 owner may be ableto provide information that I can use to get my amp up & running.? Thanks, Sam N1OVA? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
>
>
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>
> Message: 15
> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 15:13:01 -0500
> From: Don Wilhelm <don at w3fpr.com>
> To: Aaron K5ATG <k5atg.aaron at gmail.com>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 Menu and Tune Buttons
> Message-ID: <fa75a0b5-fd89-f487-784a-b847515ca59c at w3fpr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Aaron,
>
> I suspect that the firmware is not recognizing that the KAT2 is not present.
> Make certain that all wires to the KAT2 board are present and well soldered.
> It also could be that the KAT2 firmware has failed.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 1/12/2022 8:24 PM, Aaron K5ATG wrote:
>> This evening I tried to get into the menu on my K2 and pushing or
>> holding the MENU/EDIT button does nothing at all. When I press the ANT
>> 1/2 Button it switches from Antenna 1 to Antenna 2. However, when I
>> hold the button to tune with the internal ATU the display LCD just
>> shows Atu and the bar graph goes completely blank. This is the first
>> time that it has done this and it has been working just fine until
>> now. I'm not sure how to remedy this.
>>
>
>
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>
> Message: 16
> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 16:39:34 -0600
> From: KE8G <ke8g.jim at gmail.com>
> To: Ronnie Hull <w5sum at comcast.net>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K Line: Signal loss in a QSO
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> Back the power off below the 12 watts, and see if you get anything.
>
> Same thing had happened to me today, so running K3s at 5 watts, and the
> Kpa500 is putting out 80-90wstts
>
> 73 de KE8G - Jim
>
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 13:04 Ronnie Hull <w5sum at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I had the exact same problem! It?s been Elecraft for a few months now.
>> Hopefully I will get it back before summer
>> W5SUM
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 11:22 AM, Linda M <wa6vab at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
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> Message: 17
> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 16:53:19 -0800
> From: "Dave (NK7Z)" <dave at nk7z.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K Line: Signal loss in a QSO
> Message-ID: <917256ac-a9a8-4bbe-05a5-c508596372f9 at nk7z.net>
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> If I remember correctly, 5 watts is a power level to avoid... As is 50
> Watts. I believe it messes with the TX calibration.
>
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>
> On 1/15/22 14:39, KE8G wrote:
>> Back the power off below the 12 watts, and see if you get anything.
>>
>> Same thing had happened to me today, so running K3s at 5 watts, and the
>> Kpa500 is putting out 80-90wstts
>>
>> 73 de KE8G - Jim
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 13:04 Ronnie Hull <w5sum at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I had the exact same problem! It?s been Elecraft for a few months now.
>>> Hopefully I will get it back before summer
>>> W5SUM
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 11:22 AM, Linda M <wa6vab at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?
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> Message: 18
> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 17:49:55 -0800
> From: kevin <kevinr at coho.net>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
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> Good Evening,
>
> ?? The snow is almost gone.? Sun, rain, and higher temperatures have
> caused some flooding.? The trees have been pruned of branches, tops,
> weakly attached needles, and most of the tufts of lichen.? Usnea strands
> provide deer with a lot of carbohydrates and some protein.? The birds
> are back fluffing up the forest floor.? Now the cyanobacteria can thrive
> while fixing nitrogen.
>
> ?? The sun has been pretty active this week.? A large flare on the back
> side caused some radio black outs.? A solar stream is due on the 16th.?
> Conditions should range from noisy to very noisy. Hopefully QSB will be
> slow.? Space Weather says the CME will mostly miss us.? Propagation will
> be interesting.
>
> ?? This break in winter weather will let me work on another antenna.? I
> need to gather all the broken antenna material and see how many radials
> I can scavenge.? Antennas only last a few winters before the snow in the
> trees chews them up.? I also have 150 feet of CAT6 cable for a more
> extensive ground plane.
>
>
>
> Please join us on (or near):
>
> 14050 kHz at 2300z Sunday? (3 PM PST Sunday)
> ?7047 kHz at 0030z Monday? (4:30 PM PST Sunday)
>
> ?? 73,
> ????? Kevin. KD5ONS
>
>
>
> -
>
>
>
> Das Leben ist viel zu kurz, um schlechten Wein zu trinken.
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 19
> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 06:52:33 -0600
> From: KE8G <ke8g.jim at gmail.com>
> To: "Dave (NK7Z)" <dave at nk7z.net>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K Line: Signal loss in a QSO
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> Hmm, I?ve never heard that 5 or 50 watts of power shouldn?t be run.
>
> 73 de KE8G - Jim
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 18:54 Dave (NK7Z) <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
>
>> If I remember correctly, 5 watts is a power level to avoid... As is 50
>> Watts. I believe it messes with the TX calibration.
>>
>> 73, and thanks,
>> Dave (NK7Z)
>> https://www.nk7z.net
>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>>
>> On 1/15/22 14:39, KE8G wrote:
>>> Back the power off below the 12 watts, and see if you get anything.
>>>
>>> Same thing had happened to me today, so running K3s at 5 watts, and the
>>> Kpa500 is putting out 80-90wstts
>>>
>>> 73 de KE8G - Jim
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 13:04 Ronnie Hull <w5sum at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I had the exact same problem! It?s been Elecraft for a few months now.
>>>> Hopefully I will get it back before summer
>>>> W5SUM
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 11:22 AM, Linda M <wa6vab at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?
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> Message: 20
> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 05:02:49 -0800
> From: "Dave (NK7Z)" <dave at nk7z.net>
> To: KE8G <ke8g.jim at gmail.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K Line: Signal loss in a QSO
> Message-ID: <a1f4b912-a7db-1617-02ee-a825abb79d18 at nk7z.net>
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> Hopefully someone remembers the thread title, I don't.
>
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>
> On 1/16/22 04:52, KE8G wrote:
>> Hmm, I?ve never heard that 5 or 50 watts of power shouldn?t be run.
>>
>> 73 de KE8G - Jim
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 18:54 Dave (NK7Z) <dave at nk7z.net
>> <mailto:dave at nk7z.net>> wrote:
>>
>> If I remember correctly, 5 watts is a power level to avoid...? As is 50
>> Watts.? I believe it messes with the TX calibration.
>>
>> 73, and thanks,
>> Dave (NK7Z)
>> https://www.nk7z.net <https://www.nk7z.net>
>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>>
>> On 1/15/22 14:39, KE8G wrote:
>> > Back the power off below the 12 watts, and see if you get anything.
>> >
>> > Same thing had happened to me today, so running K3s at 5 watts,
>> and the
>> > Kpa500 is putting out 80-90wstts
>> >
>> > 73 de KE8G - Jim
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 13:04 Ronnie Hull <w5sum at comcast.net
>> <mailto:w5sum at comcast.net>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I had the exact same problem! It?s been Elecraft for a few
>> months now.
>> >> Hopefully I will get it back before summer
>> >> W5SUM
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 11:22 AM, Linda M <wa6vab at gmail.com
>> <mailto:wa6vab at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> ?
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>
> Message: 21
> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 13:02:49 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Steve Masticola <steve.masticola at verizon.net>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New wattmeter plans?
> Message-ID: <851651578.397672.1642338169307 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Chuck, I'm glad you're happy with it. But the fact that KV5J is selling a separate box to update the W2 kind of argues for my point that the W2 needs a design refresh. Read the reviews on eHam and you'll see what I mean. https://www.eham.net/reviews/view-product?id=14820
> For reference, here's KV5J's site: https://kv5j.com/store/product/digital-display-unit-for-elecraft-w2-watt-meter
> My guess is that Elecraft will update the W2 when they can't get components to manufacture it any longer, and if they still want to sell wattmeters at that time. Same as any electronics manufacturer does.
>
> 73, -Steve WX2S
>
>
> Chuck GuentherSat, 15 Jan 2022 10:01:28 -0800In terms of modernizing the Elecraft W2, I'm surprised no one so far has mentioned the excellent digital display unit offered by KV5J. The combo works great.73,
> Chuck? NI0C
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 08:52:28 -0500
> From: <john at kk9a.com>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K Line: Signal loss in a QSO
> Message-ID: <000f01d80ae0$4d720620$e8561260$@com>
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> I have not heard this either. Is this in the manual? 5 watts would be a
> tough output to avoid if you enjoy QRP.
>
> John KK9A
>
> KE8G wrote:
>
> Hmm, I've never heard that 5 or 50 watts of power shouldn't be run.
>
> 73 de KE8G - Jim
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 06:01:28 -0800
> From: "Dave (NK7Z)" <dave at nk7z.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K Line: Signal loss in a QSO
> Message-ID: <63139ca0-d76d-cbdb-3fcb-7442119bd2fe at nk7z.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> See:
>
> https://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2022-January/288276.html
>
> for a reference to the original post, which I can not locate...
>
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>
> On 1/16/22 05:02, Dave (NK7Z) wrote:
>> Hopefully someone remembers the thread title, I don't.
>>
>> 73, and thanks,
>> Dave (NK7Z)
>> https://www.nk7z.net
>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>>
>> On 1/16/22 04:52, KE8G wrote:
>>> Hmm, I?ve never heard that 5 or 50 watts of power shouldn?t be run.
>>>
>>> 73 de KE8G - Jim
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 18:54 Dave (NK7Z) <dave at nk7z.net
>>> <mailto:dave at nk7z.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ??? If I remember correctly, 5 watts is a power level to avoid...? As
>>> is 50
>>> ??? Watts.? I believe it messes with the TX calibration.
>>>
>>> ??? 73, and thanks,
>>> ??? Dave (NK7Z)
>>> ??? https://www.nk7z.net <https://www.nk7z.net>
>>> ??? ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>>> ??? ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
>>> ??? ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>>>
>>> ??? On 1/15/22 14:39, KE8G wrote:
>>> ???? > Back the power off below the 12 watts, and see if you get
>>> anything.
>>> ???? >
>>> ???? > Same thing had happened to me today, so running K3s at 5 watts,
>>> ??? and the
>>> ???? > Kpa500 is putting out 80-90wstts
>>> ???? >
>>> ???? > 73 de KE8G - Jim
>>> ???? >
>>> ???? > On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 13:04 Ronnie Hull <w5sum at comcast.net
>>> ??? <mailto:w5sum at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>> ???? >
>>> ???? >> I had the exact same problem! It?s been Elecraft for a few
>>> ??? months now.
>>> ???? >> Hopefully I will get it back before summer
>>> ???? >> W5SUM
>>> ???? >>
>>> ???? >> Sent from my iPhone
>>> ???? >>
>>> ???? >>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 11:22 AM, Linda M <wa6vab at gmail.com
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>>> ???? >>>
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