[Elecraft] Elecraft -- tarnished, bent and broken crown

Fri Jan 14 15:42:39 EST 2022

I bought a new IC-7000, a month out of warranty main board failed. Cost me near $1k including shipping. I share your pain….but I won’s scapegoat Elecraft whom I have had great repair dealings with over the years.
Gene
KH6XJ 

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>   1. Elecraft -- tarnished, bent and broken crown (Tim C)
>   2. Re: New wattmeter plans? (john at kk9a.com)
>   3. Re: New wattmeter plans? (jerry)
>   4. Re: New wattmeter plans? (Tom Ewing)
>   5. Re: New wattmeter plans? (Jim Brown)
>   6. New wattmeter plans? (Bob McGraw)
>   7. Re: New wattmeter plans? (Josh Fiden)
>   8. Re: New wattmeter plans? (jerry)
>   9. Re: New wattmeter plans? (Charles K0MV)
>  10. For Sale:  Cumbria Designs Mini-DSP Filter Kit (Doug Hensley)
>  11. Re: New wattmeter plans? (Jim Brown)
>  12. K4 Update "Network Failure" error (Mark / WU6R) (Mark Wheeler)
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>      (Bayard Coolidge, N1HO)
>  14. SOLD - DSP Filter Kit is SOLD (Doug Hensley)
>  15. Re: K4 Update "Network Failure" error (Mark / WU6R) (Mark Wheeler)
>  16. [OT] Loss in window line [OPINION] [LONG] (Al Lorona)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 22:29:33 +0000
> From: Tim C <xyz191 at live.com>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft -- tarnished, bent and broken crown
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> Elecraft - Tarnished, bent and broken crown.  For many years I believed Elecraft was king.  Now I'm not so sure.  I purchased a KPA500 and KAT500.  I assumed with all the trouble, protective, and shutdown circuits they would last a long time and probably never need service.
> 
> The Elecraft service tech erroneously advise me to ship it to Calif when it would not transmit which cost $71.  Turn out to be an interface cable and not the amp.  The amp didn't need to be shipped.  I had to pay $67 for another cable which should have been warranted.
> 
> Some months past and the amp wouldn't transmit again.  An Elecraft services tech advised me to ship it back to calif since it was under warrantee.  This time the shipper charged $140 because the nursing home where I live was required to ship it commercial and insured.  The tech could have suggest the obviously burned resister be replaced.
> 
> I have been a ham for over 50 years.  I had a SB-220 for over 40 years and never had to disassemble it for repairs.  I've owned Yaesu's, Icom's and Alinco's, all new, and never had ship any of them for repairs or even repair them after years of use.
> 
> I have always heard only praise for Elecraft product.  There are less costly tuners and amps on the market but I believed Elecraft would be the most durable and reliable.
> 
> Before I purchase another Elecraft product I will do even more research and comparisons.
> 
> 73, Tim WB8HRO
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 18:26:26 -0500
> From: <john at kk9a.com>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New wattmeter plans?
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> Look at the Telepost meters:
> http://www.telepostinc.com/
> 
> John KK9A
> 
> 
> Steve Masticola WX2S wrote:
> 
> I bought a W2 today, because my Meterbuilder MB-1 wattmeter's directional
> coupler died and the product seems to be an orphan. But I wonder if Elecraft
> has any plans to bring out an updated wattmeter. The W2's design is ten
> years old, and the LED bargraph displays are getting a bit long in the
> tooth.
> Any rumors, or more than rumors?
> 
> 73, -Steve WX2S
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 15:56:44 -0800
> From: jerry <jerry at tr2.com>
> To: john at kk9a.com
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New wattmeter plans?
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> On 2022-01-13 15:26, john at kk9a.com wrote:
>> Look at the Telepost meters:
>> http://www.telepostinc.com/
>> 
> *** Wow.
> 
>   OK, I ordered one.
> 
>                 - Jerry KF6VB
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> John KK9A
>> 
>> 
>> Steve Masticola WX2S wrote:
>> 
>> I bought a W2 today, because my Meterbuilder MB-1 wattmeter's 
>> directional
>> coupler died and the product seems to be an orphan. But I wonder if 
>> Elecraft
>> has any plans to bring out an updated wattmeter. The W2's design is ten
>> years old, and the LED bargraph displays are getting a bit long in the
>> tooth.
>> Any rumors, or more than rumors?
>> 
>> 73, -Steve WX2S
>> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 17:57:16 -0600
> From: Tom Ewing <tvtommy at mac.com>
> To: john at kk9a.com
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New wattmeter plans?
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> 
> I have two W2 meters and like them. 
> 
> I?m also a Powermaster II fan. 
> 
>> On Jan 13, 2022, at 5:27 PM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
>> 
>> ?Look at the Telepost meters:
>> http://www.telepostinc.com/
>> 
>> John KK9A
>> 
>> 
>> Steve Masticola WX2S wrote:
>> 
>> I bought a W2 today, because my Meterbuilder MB-1 wattmeter's directional
>> coupler died and the product seems to be an orphan. But I wonder if Elecraft
>> has any plans to bring out an updated wattmeter. The W2's design is ten
>> years old, and the LED bargraph displays are getting a bit long in the
>> tooth.
>> Any rumors, or more than rumors?
>> 
>> 73, -Steve WX2S
>> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 16:24:46 -0800
> From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New wattmeter plans?
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> On 1/13/2022 3:26 PM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
>> Look at the Telepost meters:
>> http://www.telepostinc.com/
> 
> Yes. I've been using LP100A with two probes in my SO2R station for 8-10 
> years. Recently bought a second one to go inline with my long 6M Yagi, 
> which is on the second antenna port of the KPA1500.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 19:18:20 -0600
> From: Bob McGraw <rmcgraw at benlomand.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] New wattmeter plans?
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> Why not just buy a nice clean Bird 43P and a new element or two. Not 
> hamfest elements.?? That works for me and gives total confidence on what 
> I see as power output.?? Of course if one desires all equipment to 
> match, then so be it.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> On 1/13/2022 3:23 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
>> Message: 22
>> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 03:04:24 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Steve Masticola<steve.masticola at verizon.net>
>> To:"elecraft at mailman.qth.net"  <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] New wattmeter plans?
>> Message-ID:<705597201.2718380.1642043064172 at mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
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>> I bought a W2 today, because my Meterbuilder MB-1 wattmeter's directional coupler died and the product seems to be an orphan. But I wonder if Elecraft has any plans to bring out an updated wattmeter. The W2's design is ten years old, and the LED bargraph displays are getting a bit long in the tooth.
>> Any rumors, or more than rumors?
>> 
>> 73, -Steve WX2S
> 
> 
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 17:50:09 -0800
> From: Josh Fiden <josh at voodoolab.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New wattmeter plans?
> Message-ID: <3FE795A4-6674-434C-94EF-79EB0004FAE3 at voodoolab.com>
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> Bird is a classic, I keep one on out of my 6m amp. But they?re not cheap. Comparing cost and features with an LP100A not a hard choice IMHO. 
> 
> 73,
> Josh W6XU
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 13, 2022, at 5:19 PM, Bob McGraw <rmcgraw at benlomand.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Why not just buy a nice clean Bird 43P and a new element or two. Not hamfest elements.   That works for me and gives total confidence on what I see as power output.   Of course if one desires all equipment to match, then so be it.
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 18:03:29 -0800
> From: jerry <jerry at tr2.com>
> To: Josh Fiden <josh at voodoolab.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New wattmeter plans?
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> On 2022-01-13 17:50, Josh Fiden wrote:
>> Bird is a classic, I keep one on out of my 6m amp. But they?re not
>> cheap. Comparing cost and features with an LP100A not a hard choice
>> IMHO.
> 
> *** Room for both.  I have a Bird 4410a.  Multiple ranges -
> can measure from QRP up to 10kW.  An Ebay deal.  Don't know
> how well it's calibrated, and it doesn't do peak power.
> 
>   So I just ordered an LP100A.  With the work I've been doing with 
> linear amplifiers, I am very interested in accurate power readings.
> 
>                  - Jerry KF6VB
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> 73,
>> Josh W6XU
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jan 13, 2022, at 5:19 PM, Bob McGraw <rmcgraw at benlomand.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Why not just buy a nice clean Bird 43P and a new element or two. Not 
>>> hamfest elements.   That works for me and gives total confidence on 
>>> what I see as power output.   Of course if one desires all equipment 
>>> to match, then so be it.
>>> 
>> 
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 19:07:21 -0700
> From: Charles K0MV <k0mv at altaeng.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New wattmeter plans?
> Message-ID: <b7bef879-3031-e0d7-a9d8-5cc07e0dbc94 at altaeng.com>
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> I came across this very interesting presentation that you may find 
> informative:
> 
> https://www.hamradioworkbench.com/uploads/1/1/9/9/119903037/k6jey_wattmeter_talk.pdf
> 
> 73,
> 
> Chuck K0MV
> 
> 
> On 1/13/22 7:03 PM, jerry wrote:
>> On 2022-01-13 17:50, Josh Fiden wrote:
>>> Bird is a classic, I keep one on out of my 6m amp. But they?re not
>>> cheap. Comparing cost and features with an LP100A not a hard choice
>>> IMHO.
>> 
>> *** Room for both.? I have a Bird 4410a.? Multiple ranges -
>> can measure from QRP up to 10kW.? An Ebay deal.? Don't know
>> how well it's calibrated, and it doesn't do peak power.
>> 
>> ? So I just ordered an LP100A.? With the work I've been doing with 
>> linear amplifiers, I am very interested in accurate power readings.
>> 
>> ???????????????? - Jerry KF6VB
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Josh W6XU
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 13, 2022, at 5:19 PM, Bob McGraw <rmcgraw at benlomand.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Why not just buy a nice clean Bird 43P and a new element or two. 
>>>> Not hamfest elements.?? That works for me and gives total confidence 
>>>> on what I see as power output.?? Of course if one desires all 
>>>> equipment to match, then so be it.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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> -- 
> Charles K0MV
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 02:24:39 +0000
> From: Doug Hensley <w5jv at hotmail.com>
> To: Elecraft List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale:  Cumbria Designs Mini-DSP Filter Kit
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> I have a DSP Audio filter kit that I don't have time to use and thought
> I would offer it here for anyone with a K1 or K2 that might want to try
> adding their own DSP Audio Filter.
> 
> Cumbria Designs was a British concern famous for its "X-Lock" VFO
> stabilizer used on many K1's and older gear with a VFO that was a free
> running oscillator.  Works miracles.
> 
> This Mini DSP Audio Filter kit was one of their last kits (they closed
> doors and moved on to other things) and offered personal tailoring
> of the audio product.  I can send a data sheet to anyone interested.
> The kit I have has never been gone through, never touched except
> to store for a better day.  Looking at it I would think anyone who
> successfully built their own K1 or K2 could also handle this.  Having
> said that, I also think this kit is not for beginners.  You should have
> some good experiences under your belt.
> 
> I'm asking $125 plus $5 shipping.
> 
> QSL if interested.  I'm shutting down now for the night so will not be
> able to reply to anyone until tomorrow AM.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Doug W5JV
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Visit https://www.qrz.com/db/W5JV for some great vacuum tube finds.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 19:01:33 -0800
> From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New wattmeter plans?
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> On 1/13/2022 5:50 PM, Josh Fiden wrote:
>> Bird is a classic, I keep one on out of my 6m amp. But they?re not cheap. Comparing cost and features with an LP100A not a hard choice IMHO.
> 
> Yes, it's a classic. But the LP100A comes with individually calibrated 
> probes, has peak reading modes, reads complex impedance, and is capable 
> of greater precision. Early in the life of the K3, I'd heard on good 
> authority that an LP100A was in use at Elecraft for final test.
> 
> I have two Birds and a large stash of elements, but they only get used 
> for bench and troubleshooting. I just made a gift of one to a friend who 
> got burned out in the major wildfire that almost got us too.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
> 
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> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 14:28:58 -0000
> From: Mark Wheeler <mark3575 at icloud.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Cc: Mark Wheeler <mark.wheeler3575 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Update "Network Failure" error (Mark / WU6R)
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> Tried to do a K4 update yesterday from R26 to R28 and I get a network failure. Ethernet cable is attached and blinking but K4 does not see it. Replaced cable with same results.K4 update screen says "Production Release 0"; not sure what I'm doing wrong.Mark WU6ROn Jan 13, 2022, at 4:26 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:Send Elecraft mailing list submissions toelecraft at mailman.qth.netTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visithttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' toelecraft-request at mailman.qth.netYou can reach the person managing the list atelecraft-owner at mailman.qth.netWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of Elecraft digest..."Today's Topics: 1. New K4 beta software available (Release 28) (Wayne Burdick) 2. Re: K3s USB sound card not receiving MMTTY audio (Mike Dodd) 3.  K3s USB sound card not receiving MMTTY audio (john at kk9a.com) 4.  post
> ing to list (john at kk9a.com) 5.  Internet / cell phones (john at kk9a.com) 6. Re: Internet / cell phones (Thorsten Fricke) 7. OT Donating Surplus Gear (Paul Huff) 8. Re: OT Donating Surplus Gear (David Hourdequin) 9. KPA1500 reflected power faults (Steve Masticola) 10. Re: KPA1500 reflected power faults (Jim Brown) 11. Re: OT Donating Surplus Gear (Barry Baines) 12. Re: KPA1500 reflected power faults (john at kk9a.com) 13. on a K3 with dual receivers,	can I listen on 2 different bands? (David F. Reed) 14. Re: on a K3 with dual receivers, can I listen on 2 different bands? (Rich) 15. Re: on a K3 with dual receivers, can I listen on 2 different bands? (David F. Reed) 16. Re: KPA1500 reflected power faults (Jim McCook) 17. K3 fails 5W and 50W TX calibration (Edward Seeliger) 18. RemoteRig - Control-RRC (Steve Orland | AA6AA) 19. Re: K3 fails 5W and 50W TX calibration (Jim McCook) 20. Re: KPA1500 reflected power faults (Steve Masticola) 21. K2 Menu and Tune Buttons (Aaron K5ATG) 22. Ne
> w wattmeter plans? (Steve Masticola) 23. 40 meter SSB net, Jan 9, 7.280 (Steve Hall) 24. KX2 for sale (Richard Gilley)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 12:43:31 -0800From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>Subject: [Elecraft] New K4 beta software available (Release 28)Message-ID: <A0A6CA92-9CD5-4672-B86B-6DB432EB34E6 at elecraft.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-asciiRelease 28 is now available as beta, with several new features (including the DVR) and major improvements. Upgrading is strongly recommended in order to remain current.Release notes for R28 are listed below. These as well as earlier release notes can also be found on our website, as well as directly at the radio itself in the UPDATE utility.********************************************NOTE: IF YOU USE NON-FLAT TRANSMIT EQ, you will need to re-adjust the settings one timeafter loading this softw
> are release. Seerelease notes for details.********************************************73,WayneN6KR======================== RELEASE 28 ============================= FUNCTIONAL CHANGES =====AUDIO OUTPUT IMPROVED BY 10 DB: In previous releases, maximum audio output may have been as much as 10 dB lower than the target value with some combinations of the AGC slope and threshold menu settings. Now, maximum AF output is pre-compensated for AGC behavior. This results in a minimum speaker output of about 1.5 W into 4 ohms and 1.0 W into 8 ohms. (The new AF output specification will be at 1 W rather than 2 W.)S-METER NOW 6 dB PER S-UNIT: S-meter calibration now matches the more common industry standard. (Previously it was 5 dB per S-unit.) With this change, each tic mark of the S-meter graphic represents 3 dB.DVR (DIGITAL VOICE RECORDER): The DVR can now be used for transmit voice message record/play. There are 8 messages (2 banks of 4). Tap REC, then follow on-screen prompts. Message
> s can be played without on-air transmit by using transmit test mode (TEST switch). Maximum message length is 90 seconds. NEW BACKUP/RESTORE FUNCTION: Tap Fn, then hold BACKUP. This brings up the backup/restore screen. You can select whether to backup or restore five categories of data, including General Configuration, Frequency Memories, PF Key and K-Pod Macros, CW/PSK/FSK messages, DVR messages, and Diagnostic Logs.SEPARATE TX MONITOR LINE-OUT LEVEL CONTROL: Use TX Monitor Level, Line Out menu entry. Applies to both sidetone and voice monitoring, as well as to both analog and digital line out.ICON CHANGE FOR RX DYNAMIC RANGE OPTIMIZATION: The original icon, a visual hybrid of 'D' and 'R', was judged too cryptic by users. The new icon is "DR+", allowing the operator to for search for it in the operating manual.BUILT-IN OPERATING MANUAL UPDATED TO REV. C12. Covers all recent changes.===== BUG FIXES =====TX EQ SLIDERS NOW +/- 16 dB: The EQ sliders had been incorrectly set to +
> /- 4 dB. If you use non-flat EQ, you may need to do a one-time readjustment of the sliders.ELIMINATED DUAL IP ADDRESSES for the radio. This occurred very rarely.MENU IP ADDRESS FIELD EXPANDED: The parameter field now accommodates 12-digit IP addresses.ELIMINATED LOSS OF AUDIO on power-up (rare).VFO STEP RATE PRESERVED across power-downs.TX METERS STAY ON IF SPLIT TURNED ON/OFF WHILE TRANSMITTING.SBC DATE CORRECTED ON 3V BATTERY SWAP.===== FOR SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS =====ADDED VO$ COMMAND (VFO OFFSET). This can be used to directly offset either VFO by a specified amount.ADDED XVTR SUPPORT FOR BN+; and BN-; commands.FI$; COMMAND AI RESPONSE NOW SENT ON BAND CHANGE.------------------------------Message: 2Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 18:30:26 -0500From: Mike Dodd <mike at mdodd.com>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.netSubject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s USB sound card not receiving MMTTY audioMessage-ID: <4ace2b6f-464d-535d-38ba-fbb1817ea4de at mdodd.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowedOn
>  1/10/2022 2:50 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:You can eliminate this problem in the future by just leaving it on LINE IN all the time.? Of course, that makes phone hard but it works for me. ?I believe the MIC=LINE IN is automatically set when I select DATA MD = AFSK-A, so it's a puzzle to me why this wasn't the case on Saturday when I set up for RU. At least I know to check it next time I use RTTY.73, Mike N4CF------------------------------Message: 3Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 19:21:12 -0500From: <john at kk9a.com>To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>Subject: [Elecraft]  K3s USB sound card not receiving MMTTY audioMessage-ID: <002401d80681$23f73120$6be59360$@com>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"Great that you have this resolved but unfortunate that it occurred after theARRL RTTY Roundup. I use FSK for RTTY transmission which so far has beenvery simple and stable.GLJohn KK9A (W4AAA in 2022 RU)Mike Dodd N4CF wrote:That's what I remember, and after I set MIC SEL = Line In for RTTY (AFSK A)
>  on 80m, it was set that way on all bands. I'm sure I had it set up this way in the past, and I have no idea why it wasn't set correctly yesterday at the start of RTTY RU.Anyway, now I know what to check if it happens again.73, Mike N4CF------------------------------Message: 4Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 19:21:19 -0500From: <john at kk9a.com>To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>Subject: [Elecraft]  posting to listMessage-ID: <002501d80681$27ec1200$77c43600$@com>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"You're posting a message with no content.Jack Donovan wrote:Mon Jan 10 12:25:20 EST 2022------------------------------Message: 5Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 19:21:25 -0500From: <john at kk9a.com>To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>Subject: [Elecraft]  Internet / cell phonesMessage-ID: <002601d80681$2b725290$8256f7b0$@com>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"Brilliant, Jim!Jim Clymer ws6x wrote:Anyone else see the irony here?"Sent from my iPhone"!!!Jim - WS6XOn Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 10:18 AM Vincent Di
> ak <unclebend13 at gmail.com>wrote:We all should spend less time on our cell phone's and the internet. Thenwe would not be wondering why our hobby is fading away . When there werenocell phones and internet to communicate we had cw - ham radio and landline. The internet has taken these away. Good or bad? We now carry theworld in our pocket . Next will be chip programmed to communicate withoutcell phones and the internet 666 just like the Bible says.Sent from my iPhone------------------------------Message: 6Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 14:14:51 +0100From: Thorsten Fricke <tfricke at web.de>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.netSubject: Re: [Elecraft] Internet / cell phonesMessage-ID: <dec417df-b3f1-06ce-d581-78aaf185f1c9 at web.de>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowedAgree, this is really brilliant *lol*Am 11.01.22 um 01:21 schrieb john at kk9a.com:Brilliant, Jim!Jim Clymer ws6x wrote:Anyone else see the irony here?"Sent from my iPhone"!!!Jim - WS6XOn Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 10:18 AM Vince
> nt Diak <unclebend13 at gmail.com>wrote:We all should spend less time on our cell phone's and the internet. Thenwe would not be wondering why our hobby is fading away . When there werenocell phones and internet to communicate we had cw - ham radio and landline. The internet has taken these away. Good or bad? We now carry theworld in our pocket . Next will be chip programmed to communicate withoutcell phones and the internet 666 just like the Bible says.Sent from my iPhone______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to tfricke at web.de------------------------------Message: 7Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 08:32:10 -0500From: Paul Huff <paul142857 at gmail.com>To: Elecraft Email List <elecraft at mailman.qth
> .net>Subject: [Elecraft] OT Donating Surplus GearMessage-ID: <C7096D4D-0FD6-47A8-8A43-0E4C920CFC09 at gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8With my wife?s encouragement, I recently purchased my ?holy grail? radio - an Elecraft KX3.  Along with this purchase came the decision to reduce my radio ?footprint? and get rid of a lot of my old gear that is no longer getting much use.  Some of this equipment has some non-trivial monetary value, but I don?t need the money, I don?t want to go through the hassle of trying to sell it, and I don?t want to deal with shipping issues.  I want to just give it away locally, preferably to a club that could use it (or the proceeds from selling it) to help younger or disadvantaged hams get on the air.I?m a 100% QRP/CW operator and most of this stuff relates to that.  The gear includes an Elecraft K1, Rockmite 30, SST40, MFJ Versa Tuner II, Astron PS, various accessories and numerous books.  I have a 3-page pdf document that gives a comple
> te list.  Almost everything is in perfect working order and there are both hard and digital copies for most of the owners manuals.I will organize everything, box it up, and can deliver it to just about anywhere in the SE Michigan area.  I want to donate all of it as a group and not piece it out a little bit at a time.  If you are associated with a local club that could use this donation to promote ham radio, or know somebody who is,  please contact me off the list.Thanks and 73,Paul Huff - N8XMSLivonia, MI------------------------------Message: 8Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 08:34:53 -0500From: David Hourdequin <drh at dremy.com>To: Paul Huff <paul142857 at gmail.com>Cc: Elecraft Email List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT Donating Surplus GearMessage-ID: <C04996DB-701B-48F3-A950-3A87E9DA88AE at dremy.com>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8More of us need to be doing more of ?this?!  Thnaks for the inspiration Paul!73, David, NS4VDavid R. Hourdequin, PEHeavy Timber & 
> Glulam EngrgP.O. Box 1399Hayesville, NC. 28904828-421-6216drh at dremy.comOn Jan 11, 2022, at 8:32 AM, Paul Huff <paul142857 at gmail.com> wrote:With my wife?s encouragement, I recently purchased my ?holy grail? radio - an Elecraft KX3.  Along with this purchase came the decision to reduce my radio ?footprint? and get rid of a lot of my old gear that is no longer getting much use.  Some of this equipment has some non-trivial monetary value, but I don?t need the money, I don?t want to go through the hassle of trying to sell it, and I don?t want to deal with shipping issues.  I want to just give it away locally, preferably to a club that could use it (or the proceeds from selling it) to help younger or disadvantaged hams get on the air.I?m a 100% QRP/CW operator and most of this stuff relates to that.  The gear includes an Elecraft K1, Rockmite 30, SST40, MFJ Versa Tuner II, Astron PS, various accessories and numerous books.  I have a 3-page pdf document that gives a complete list. 
>  Almost everything is in perfect working order and there are both hard and digital copies for most of the owners manuals.I will organize everything, box it up, and can deliver it to just about anywhere in the SE Michigan area.  I want to donate all of it as a group and not piece it out a little bit at a time.  If you are associated with a local club that could use this donation to promote ham radio, or know somebody who is,  please contact me off the list.Thanks and 73,Paul Huff - N8XMSLivonia, MI______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to drh at dremy.com------------------------------Message: 9Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 16:33:44 +0000 (UTC)From: Steve Masticola <steve.masticola at verizon.net>T
> o: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 reflected power faultsMessage-ID: <456311735.2341677.1641918824414 at mail.yahoo.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8Hi, all,My KPA1500 is throwing a lot of reflected power faults at power levels above 500 watts. The symptom is that the output power (as indicated by the power LEDs) zooms up and then the amp faults. An external MB-1 power meter indicates 2000 watts or more peak output when this happens.I know the usual culprits (poor ground, RF in the shack, surge suppressors), but I wonder if other owners are still having these problems, despite attempts to fix.73, -Steve WX2S------------------------------Message: 10Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:01:06 -0800From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.netSubject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 reflected power faultsMessage-ID:<8fa61a89-f9ef-ef1c-fa07-7103c24183f2 at audiosystemsgroup.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; for
> mat=flowedOn 1/11/2022 8:33 AM, Steve Masticola via Elecraft wrote:I know the usual culprits (poor ground, RF in the shack, surge suppressors), but I wonder if other owners are still having these problems, despite attempts to fix.I have grounding and bonding done right, no issues at all like this. It IS common for a K3 to have a small power spike after changing its power output, but this is typically less than 1 dB.73, Jim K9YC------------------------------Message: 11Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 17:40:47 -0600From: Barry Baines <bbaines at mac.com>To: Paul Huff <paul142857 at gmail.com>Cc: Elecraft Email List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT Donating Surplus GearMessage-ID: <EECFF000-DD52-435E-97F9-151045C3187D at mac.com>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8Paul:On Jan 11, 2022, at 7:32 AM, Paul Huff <paul142857 at gmail.com> wrote:With my wife?s encouragement, I recently purchased my ?holy grail? radio - an Elecraft KX3.  Along with this purchase came the decision to r
> educe my radio ?footprint? and get rid of a lot of my old gear that is no longer getting much use.  Some of this equipment has some non-trivial monetary value, but I don?t need the money, I don?t want to go through the hassle of trying to sell it, and I don?t want to deal with shipping issues.  I want to just give it away locally, preferably to a club that could use it (or the proceeds from selling it) to help younger or disadvantaged hams get on the air.I?m a 100% QRP/CW operator and most of this stuff relates to that.  The gear includes an Elecraft K1, Rockmite 30, SST40, MFJ Versa Tuner II, Astron PS, various accessories and numerous books.  I have a 3-page pdf document that gives a complete list.  Almost everything is in perfect working order and there are both hard and digital copies for most of the owners manuals.I will organize everything, box it up, and can deliver it to just about anywhere in the SE Michigan area.  I want to donate all of it as a group and not piece
>  it out a little bit at a time.  If you are associated with a local club that could use this donation to promote ham radio, or know somebody who is,  please contact me off the list.I donated my ?surplus? gear back in 2019 to a high school amateur radio group in Gainesville, FL.   My station is in SE Georgia and I spent four years in Gainesville back in the late 70s, so I knew the club?s advisor through the Gainesville Amateur Radio Society,  We reconnected in 2018 due to luck and circumstance and I subsequently learned about the school?s amateur radio club.  When I made the donation I drove to the high school to deliver the ?goods? and later the advisor drove to my ham station to pickup a second load.     I documented the donation and provided the list to the High School.  They subsequently confirmed the receipt of items donated, including an Icom IC-781, a Yaesu FT-736R,  and an Alpha 9500. Like you, I was primarily interested in passing good equipment to the ?next generati
> on? as well as seeing the equipment in active service as it was sitting on shelves.  An active high school club fits that requirement nicely.  So one thing to consider is looking to see if such clubs exist in your area.  Local hams may be serving as club advisors.  Perhaps a local school experienced an ARISS contact and has a relationship with an amateur club as a result of that experience.  Talk to local educators to see if they have such clubs at particular schools. I still hear from the club advisor concerning the high school amateur radio club and the activities of the students.  I believe my donation has had an impact on students which makes me feel that I?ve a made a difference for those that are using this equipment as well as enhanced the high school?s club activity.FWIW,Barry Baines, WD4ASW/5Keller, TXThanks and 73,Paul Huff - N8XMSLivonia, MI------------------------------Message: 12Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 20:58:21 -0500From: <john at kk9a.com>To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.
> net>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 reflected power faultsMessage-ID: <000001d80757$e0a77650$a1f662f0$@com>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"Is it possible that something is heating or arcing in the device you areusing to match your 43 ft vertical? John KK9ASteve Masticola WX2SHi, all,My KPA1500 is throwing a lot of reflected power faults at power levels above500 watts. The symptom is that the output power (as indicated by the powerLEDs) zooms up and then the amp faults. An external MB-1 power meterindicates 2000 watts or more peak output when this happens.I know the usual culprits (poor ground, RF in the shack, surge suppressors),but I wonder if other owners are still having these problems, despiteattempts to fix.73, -Steve WX2S------------------------------Message: 13Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 03:39:46 +0000From: "David F. Reed" <w5sv.dave at gmail.com>To: Elecraft List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>Subject: [Elecraft] on a K3 with dual receivers,	can I listen on 2different
>  bands?Message-ID: <3fdbb1b7-42f5-f3f9-b8be-dc632e0fb11c at gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowedOn a K3 with dual receivers, can I listen on 2 different bands?If so, how (or where does it tell me how in the manual)?-- Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV------------------------------Message: 14Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 23:49:43 -0500From: Rich <rwnewbould at comcast.net>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.netSubject: Re: [Elecraft] on a K3 with dual receivers, can I listen on 2different bands?Message-ID: <d7658e20-a450-db72-1f2a-33fb992b1b78 at comcast.net>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowedGoto:CONFIG - VFO IND - set it to YESYou can then listen to different bands on each VFOYou may find more in the manual regarding VFO IND.?? Mine is not handy so I am not sureRichOn 1/11/2022 22:39 PM, David F. Reed wrote:On a K3 with dual receivers, can I listen on 2 different bands?If so, how (or where does it tell me how in the manual)?------------------------------Message:
>  15Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 08:42:33 -0600From: "David F. Reed" <w5sv.dave at gmail.com>To: Rich <rwnewbould at comcast.net>Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.netSubject: Re: [Elecraft] on a K3 with dual receivers, can I listen on 2different bands?Message-ID: <221D2D4C-BFAF-4BDD-B36C-95392B4830E1 at gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-asciiThanks Rich!73 de W5SV - David F. ReedOn Jan 11, 2022, at 22:49, Rich <rwnewbould at comcast.net> wrote:Goto:CONFIG - VFO IND - set it to YESYou can then listen to different bands on each VFOYou may find more in the manual regarding VFO IND.   Mine is not handy so I am not sureRichOn 1/11/2022 22:39 PM, David F. Reed wrote:On a K3 with dual receivers, can I listen on 2 different bands?If so, how (or where does it tell me how in the manual)?______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.netThis
>  list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to w5sv.dave at gmail.com------------------------------Message: 16Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 14:43:46 +0000From: Jim McCook <w6ya at cox.net>To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 reflected power faultsMessage-ID: <97ef2f8d-f0f2-d430-7353-dd86d74c958e at cox.net>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowedSteve:? I went through this exact problem until K6XX alerted me to the likely cause of corrupt? TXGAIN calibration.? This was discussed recently and reaffirmed by Elecraft on this reflector.? Most likely the problem originates from transmitting with either 5 or 50 watts with the K3, which should ALWAYS be avoided.? I suggest you redo the 5 and 50 watt TX Gain calibration individually on each band as K6XX suggested. This should have been emphasized in the K3/K3S manuals.? 73, Jim W6YA------------------------------Messa
> ge: 17Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 21:41:02 +0000From: Edward Seeliger <eseeliger at earthlink.net>To: Elecraft reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>Subject: [Elecraft] K3 fails 5W and 50W TX calibrationMessage-ID: <cda444e6-8c2c-e5b5-f558-00b9830f5733 at earthlink.net>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8Today I tried to perform a K3 TX calibration using the K3 Utility?and it fails calibration at the 160M (first frequency in the series) attempt on both 5W and 50W settings. It freezes and remains with the TX light illuminated. The power button will not turn the radio off. I must unplug the rear power connector to turn it off. After reinserting the power connector the power button and all other controls appear to work as they should until I again attempt a TX power calibration. The radio is in Normal not Test mode.I have sent a message to elecraft support but thought others here might have had a similar problem and might have a solution.?The K3 is a s/n 6000+ K3 with all suggested hardw
> are upgrades and current firmware.Why did I attempt the TX calibration - I read the recent suggestion about not setting the PWR to 5W - I use this K3 to drive a high gain (low power input) linear and probably have at times set the drive to around 5W.Thanks for any help or suggestions.Edd - KD5M------------------------------Message: 18Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 14:11:06 -0800From: "Steve Orland | AA6AA" <Steve at AA6AA.com>To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>Subject: [Elecraft] RemoteRig - Control-RRCMessage-ID: <[email protected]>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"Does anyone in the Los Angeles County/Ventura County area have a Control-RRCthat I can borrow for a day?  My Control-RRC appears to be malfunctioning.Tnx es 73,Steve------------------------------Message: 19Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 00:03:14 +0000From: Jim McCook <w6ya at cox.net>To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 fails 5W and 50W TX calibrationMessage-ID: <4313
> 81f4-16d0-8fa7-2108-ea679705f198 at cox.net>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowedEdd:? Using the Utility for this process can have problems.? I did it manually on each band.? K6XX also suggested to to it this way.Connect a dummy load to the K3 output.Set the PWR control on the K3 to exactly 5wSet CONFIG: TUN PWR to exactly 5wHold TUNE for 2-3 seconds.? Tap it againRepeat the process at 50wReset TUN PWR to other than 5 or 50.? I use 25Reset PWR in the K3 to the usual 100w settingRepeat everything above on each band.Jim W6YA------------------------------Message: 20Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 00:56:55 +0000 (UTC)From: Steve Masticola <steve.masticola at verizon.net>To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 reflected power faultsMessage-ID: <1940706018.2698696.1642035415138 at mail.yahoo.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8Problem found. It was an intermittent fault on a bidirectional coupler for a wattmeter. It finally fa
> iled hard. When I took the coupler out of circuit, the amp behaved itself.73, -Steve WX2S On Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 11:33:44 AM EST, Steve Masticola <steve.masticola at verizon.net> wrote: Hi, all,My KPA1500 is throwing a lot of reflected power faults at power levels above 500 watts. The symptom is that the output power (as indicated by the power LEDs) zooms up and then the amp faults. An external MB-1 power meter indicates 2000 watts or more peak output when this happens.I know the usual culprits (poor ground, RF in the shack, surge suppressors), but I wonder if other owners are still having these problems, despite attempts to fix.73, -Steve WX2S ------------------------------Message: 21Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 19:24:34 -0600From: Aaron K5ATG <k5atg.aaron at gmail.com>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.netSubject: [Elecraft] K2 Menu and Tune ButtonsMessage-ID:<CADENs2-eByaea_JynU4eEfbvH-oLsDcxz2dYdgozBnWx1RqHkA at mail.gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"This evening I tried 
> to get into the menu on my K2 and pushing orholding the MENU/EDIT button does nothing at all. When I press the ANT1/2 Button it switches from Antenna 1 to Antenna 2. However, when Ihold the button to tune with the internal ATU the display LCD justshows Atu and the bar graph goes completely blank. This is the firsttime that it has done this and it has been working just fine untilnow. I'm not sure how to remedy this.-- '72Aaron Scott------------------------------Message: 22Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 03:04:24 +0000 (UTC)From: Steve Masticola <steve.masticola at verizon.net>To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>Subject: [Elecraft] New wattmeter plans?Message-ID: <705597201.2718380.1642043064172 at mail.yahoo.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8I bought a W2 today, because my Meterbuilder MB-1 wattmeter's directional coupler died and the product seems to be an orphan. But I wonder if Elecraft has any plans to bring out an updated wattmeter. The W2's design is ten 
> years old, and the LED bargraph displays are getting a bit long in the tooth.Any rumors, or more than rumors?73, -Steve WX2S------------------------------Message: 23Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 10:31:20 -0500From: Steve Hall <99sunset at gmail.com>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.netSubject: [Elecraft] 40 meter SSB net, Jan 9, 7.280Message-ID:<CALdUqNO5rfMtVY8w8Xu=9Xa4eBJKhVU_u2_riBYa2Ocg+D4Azw at mail.gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"THANKS TO ALL CHECKING IN AND TO RELAY STATIONS.WM6P STEVE GA K4D #436W3SA JOHN NC TS890W9EJB ED IN K4D #498N8SBE DAVE MI K3SKO4FCO BOB TN FTDX10NK9A STAN MIK5PD PETE TX K3W4TMW TOM GA K4K4FKB CYRUS AL FT450DKD9TII RON IN FT900WB9JNZ ERIC IL FTDX101DNC0JW JIM CO KX3W4DML DOUG TN K3VA2FH GILBERT QUEBEC K3------------------------------Message: 24Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 16:23:00 -0500From: Richard Gilley <richgilley123 at gmail.com>To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.netSubject: [Elecraft] KX2 for saleMessage-ID: <7E7DA9B6-F725-43C4-B09A-97E95DB75FD8 at gmail.com>Con
> tent-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8HI, Selling my KX2 #02335 purchased Dec 2017, Lightly used and includes:KXPD2 -paddleKXBT2 -LI BatteryKXBC2 -ChargerKXAT2 -Ant TunerAX1/W40 meter coilTripod AdapterCase (not CS40 or CS60)32? Counterpoise wireManualAsking $1100. Inc. shipping and Insurance within the 48.Photos available at richgilley123 at gmail.com <mailto:richgilley123 at gmail.com>Thank youR GilleyAD1G------------------------------_______________________________________________Elecraft mailing listPost to: Elecraft at mailman.qth.nethttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftYou must be a subscriber to post.Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.comEnd of Elecraft Digest, Vol 213, Issue 5****************************************
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> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 14:35:35 +0000 (UTC)
> From: "Bayard Coolidge, N1HO" <n1ho at yahoo.com>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>, 	Mark
> 	Wheeler <mark3575 at icloud.com>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 Update "Network Failure" error (Mark /
> 	WU6R)
> Message-ID: <1506980275.124685.1642170935681 at mail.yahoo.com>
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> "R28" is still in beta testing, AFAICT, so you may have to forage around on the firmware download menu screento make sure your K4 will download beta-test firmware.
> Either that, or wait a little while for the formal release.
> 73,
> Brandy, N1HO
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> 
>    On Friday, January 14, 2022, 09:30:36 AM EST, Mark Wheeler via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:  
> 
> Tried to do a K4 update yesterday from R26 to R28 and I get a network failure. Ethernet cable is attached and blinking but K4 does not see it. Replaced cable with same results.K4 update screen says "Production Release 0"; not sure what I'm doing wrong.Mark WU6ROn Jan 13, 2022, at 4:26 PM,  
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> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 14:36:01 +0000
> From: Doug Hensley <w5jv at hotmail.com>
> To: Elecraft List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] SOLD - DSP Filter Kit is SOLD
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> Thanks to all who responded.
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> Subject: For Sale: Cumbria Designs Mini-DSP Filter Kit
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> I have a DSP Audio filter kit that I don't have time to use and thought
> I would offer it here for anyone with a K1 or K2 that might want to try
> adding their own DSP Audio Filter.
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> Cumbria Designs was a British concern famous for its "X-Lock" VFO
> stabilizer used on many K1's and older gear with a VFO that was a free
> running oscillator.  Works miracles.
> 
> This Mini DSP Audio Filter kit was one of their last kits (they closed
> doors and moved on to other things) and offered personal tailoring
> of the audio product.  I can send a data sheet to anyone interested.
> The kit I have has never been gone through, never touched except
> to store for a better day.  Looking at it I would think anyone who
> successfully built their own K1 or K2 could also handle this.  Having
> said that, I also think this kit is not for beginners.  You should have
> some good experiences under your belt.
> 
> I'm asking $125 plus $5 shipping.
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> QSL if interested.  I'm shutting down now for the night so will not be
> able to reply to anyone until tomorrow AM.
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> Thank you,
> 
> Doug W5JV
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> Visit https://www.qrz.com/db/W5JV for some great vacuum tube finds.
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> Message: 15
> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 14:50:49 -0000
> From: Mark Wheeler <mark3575 at icloud.com>
> To: "Bayard Coolidge, N1HO" <n1ho at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 Update "Network Failure" error (Mark /
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> Is R26 still the most current for most users? Or is there an R27?73,Mark WU6ROn Jan 14, 2022, at 9:35 AM, "Bayard Coolidge, N1HO" <n1ho at yahoo.com> wrote:"R28" is still in beta testing, AFAICT, so you may have to forage around on the firmware download menu screento make sure your K4 will download beta-test firmware.Either that, or wait a little while for the formal release.73,Brandy, N1HOOn Friday, January 14, 2022, 09:30:36 AM EST, Mark Wheeler via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:Tried to do a K4 update yesterday from R26 to R28 and I get a network failure. Ethernet cable is attached and blinking but K4 does not see it. Replaced cable with same results.K4 update screen says "Production Release 0"; not sure what I'm doing wrong.Mark WU6ROn Jan 13, 2022, at 4:26 PM,
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> Message: 16
> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 18:00:10 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Loss in window line [OPINION] [LONG]
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> Whenever somebody mentions "window line" here, one of the first objections raised is that "when it gets wet, it has very high loss".?
> 
> The landmark paper cited is by Wes Stewart, N7WS, which can be found here:?https://www.sadxa.org/n7ws/Ladder_Line.pdf?.
> 
> I'm not trying to discredit that paper in any way, but I'd like to point out two things to keep in mind the next time you hear someone completely and summarily dismiss window line on the grounds that it has "high loss when wet", and citing that paper:
> 
> 1. You should note that Wes took measurements at 50 MHz. Window line is rarely used at that frequency, and anyway the loss has to be extrapolated back down to the HF region. For instance, if wet window line has a loss of 5.2 dB at 50 MHz, the loss at 10 MHz is only 2.3 dB and at 3.5 MHz is 1.4 dB. (See the paper for the equation to extrapolate to another frequency.) 1.4 dB sounds a heck of a lot better than 5.2, and is on par with 100 feet of the best coax you can buy. (We are talking only about matched line loss here, and ignoring additional loss due to SWR.) So that's the first thing.
> 
> 2. Wes's method involved the now legendary use of a "wetting agent" (I assume soap of some kind) added to the water he sprayed onto his 12-foot sample of transmission line to simulate rainy conditions on weathered line. To be fair, Wes himself cautioned that this probably created a worst-case scenario but judging from other references on the web this wetting agent has been blamed for excessively inflating the loss to the point of questioning the relevance of the experiment. DJ0IP and G3TXQ have both claimed that (see?http://www.karinya.net/g3txq/wet_ll/?).??In G3TXQ's case, he was able to replicate Wes's results by using "a few drops of washing-up liquid" but he states, "It is not clear whether the high losses associated with using the wetting agent were due to the more complete wetting of the line or to some electrical properties of the agent. Nor is it clear how well this test represents conditions that will be experienced in the 'real world'."
> 
> What's happening to the line when it gets wet, and why should it's characteristics change at all? To answer this, understand that in balanced line, the energy is carried in the field between the conductors. Window line has mostly polyethylene (PE) between the wires which has a dielectric constant of 2.3, as opposed to air's which is 1.0. Spraying water-- which has a dielectric constant of 80-- onto PE insulation changes the material properties between the conductors and, thus, the capacitance. As capacitance changes, so does? everything else: velocity factor, impedance, and loss. One thing saving us from a catastrophic change in properties is that water tends to bead up and remain as droplets, and droplets don't like to stay connected with other droplets. So if you looked at a path perpendicularly across the surface of the line, you'd see individual, sparse drops rather than a continuous film of water.
> 
> I couldn't find the dielectric constant of soapy water anywhere on the web -- but let's assume that the number is close to that of pure water: 80. If you could somehow give the field a *continuous* path of water from one side to the other on the window line, you'd have significantly altered the dielectric constant of the PE; you'd essentially have added a new "path" in "parallel" with the PE with a dielectric constant some 35 times higher. Although it would be a very thin layer, it nonetheless could have a significant effect, as N7WS and G3TXQ have shown.
> 
> We also have an important data point from Bob, K4TAX, showing that the loss of Bob's window line is pretty much unaffected by rain, although the electrical length does change. I'll address why this might be later on, but the point is that this is credible, measured data. Why are these data so different?
> 
> I did discover that soapy water's pH is above 10 -- possibly as high as 12-- indicating that there are abundant salts present, probably sodium and/or potassium. These dissolved salts strongly ionize the water, greatly increasing its conductivity (and perhaps changing its other electromagnetic characteristics). On the other hand, rain water is essentially pure, much closer to distilled water, with relatively few contaminants capable of being ionized. (See?https://www.waterboards.ca.gov/water_issues/programs/swamp/docs/cwt/guidance/3130en.pdf).?
> 
> Having said all of this, when you study the G3TXQ paper I mentioned earlier, there's a glaring data point: Steve measured nearly constant, high loss, using soapy water, *from 7 through 30 MHz*. This confirms that an effect of the soap is swamping out everything else. In other words, there's something *in the soap itself* that is skewing the measurements beyond its intended purpose. He just wanted the soap to make the water cling better, but it ended up perturbing the very thing he was trying to measure (loss) way too much. It's a little bit like taking a lot of vitamin D for health, which causes you to become constipated!
> 
> My conclusion is that using soap to make the water cling to the window line was a brilliant idea but may have introduced much more error into the measurement. I believe the trend is correct -- that clinging water will increase loss-- but the absolute numbers aren't as realistic. G3TXQ's data also shows loss he measured during moderate rainfall, but the increase is from about 0.2 dB to 0.35 dB per 100 feet at 10 MHz. This is inconsequential at the other end of the QSO, and is still far better than the best coax you can buy.
> 
> I guess one question is, as window line ages and gets attacked by smog, becomes dirtier and more sun-baked, will it in fact support a continuous film of water in a rainstorm like soapy water does? Perhaps, in the Arizona desert or in hot and smoggy Los Angeles? And possibly not in another place that gets many times more rain? Do hams have to start waxing their transmission lines?! I forgot to ask Bob the age of his line, but if it's relatively new, maybe it's still able to shed water effectively? Maybe Bob lives in an area where stuff left outside stays relatively clean? Maybe all window line isn't equal... maybe some PE is better than others?? I don't know the answers to any of these questions.
> 
> We may prefer open-wire line (or coax) to window line for good reasons, but I believe it's rash to dismiss window line on the basis of "its loss goes way up when wet". Up, yes. Way up? Probably not. High enough to make a big difference? I doubt it. In planning a new antenna installation, hams should choose the most convenient transmission line for their needs, and should not feel guilty nor apprehensive for choosing window line if they see fit to do so.
> 
> 
> Al? W6LX/4
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> Message: 17
> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 11:26:13 -0700
> From: ho13dave at gmail.com
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Loss in window line [OPINION] [LONG]
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> 
> I concur with the conclusion that water has little effect on window line. I base this on my own experience using window line for years. I always feed it into a tuner and, if water has any effect on the line, I have to adjust the settings of the tuner. It is only necessary to adjust the tuner under very heavy rain. Anything resembling a normal amount of water on the line has essentially no effect, even after years of dirt buildup. 
> 
> Years ago, when I had a swimming pool, I spanned the pool with a length of underwater ladder line and made some simple measurements that indicated only a nominal change. And pool water is purposely chlorinated, which increases the conductivity, although I don't know by how much. 
> 
> 73 de dave 
> ab9ca 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2022, at 11:00, Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Whenever somebody mentions "window line" here, one of the first objections raised is that "when it gets wet, it has very high loss". 
>> 
>> The landmark paper cited is by Wes Stewart, N7WS, which can be found here: https://www.sadxa.org/n7ws/Ladder_Line.pdf .
>> 
>> I'm not trying to discredit that paper in any way, but I'd like to point out two things to keep in mind the next time you hear someone completely and summarily dismiss window line on the grounds that it has "high loss when wet", and citing that paper:
>> 
>> 1. You should note that Wes took measurements at 50 MHz. Window line is rarely used at that frequency, and anyway the loss has to be extrapolated back down to the HF region. For instance, if wet window line has a loss of 5.2 dB at 50 MHz, the loss at 10 MHz is only 2.3 dB and at 3.5 MHz is 1.4 dB. (See the paper for the equation to extrapolate to another frequency.) 1.4 dB sounds a heck of a lot better than 5.2, and is on par with 100 feet of the best coax you can buy. (We are talking only about matched line loss here, and ignoring additional loss due to SWR.) So that's the first thing.
>> 
>> 2. Wes's method involved the now legendary use of a "wetting agent" (I assume soap of some kind) added to the water he sprayed onto his 12-foot sample of transmission line to simulate rainy conditions on weathered line. To be fair, Wes himself cautioned that this probably created a worst-case scenario but judging from other references on the web this wetting agent has been blamed for excessively inflating the loss to the point of questioning the relevance of the experiment. DJ0IP and G3TXQ have both claimed that (see http://www.karinya.net/g3txq/wet_ll/ ).  In G3TXQ's case, he was able to replicate Wes's results by using "a few drops of washing-up liquid" but he states, "It is not clear whether the high losses associated with using the wetting agent were due to the more complete wetting of the line or to some electrical properties of the agent. Nor is it clear how well this test represents conditions that will be experienced in the 'real world'."
>> 
>> What's happening to the line when it gets wet, and why should it's characteristics change at all? To answer this, understand that in balanced line, the energy is carried in the field between the conductors. Window line has mostly polyethylene (PE) between the wires which has a dielectric constant of 2.3, as opposed to air's which is 1.0. Spraying water-- which has a dielectric constant of 80-- onto PE insulation changes the material properties between the conductors and, thus, the capacitance. As capacitance changes, so does  everything else: velocity factor, impedance, and loss. One thing saving us from a catastrophic change in properties is that water tends to bead up and remain as droplets, and droplets don't like to stay connected with other droplets. So if you looked at a path perpendicularly across the surface of the line, you'd see individual, sparse drops rather than a continuous film of water.
>> 
>> I couldn't find the dielectric constant of soapy water anywhere on the web -- but let's assume that the number is close to that of pure water: 80. If you could somehow give the field a *continuous* path of water from one side to the other on the window line, you'd have significantly altered the dielectric constant of the PE; you'd essentially have added a new "path" in "parallel" with the PE with a dielectric constant some 35 times higher. Although it would be a very thin layer, it nonetheless could have a significant effect, as N7WS and G3TXQ have shown.
>> 
>> We also have an important data point from Bob, K4TAX, showing that the loss of Bob's window line is pretty much unaffected by rain, although the electrical length does change. I'll address why this might be later on, but the point is that this is credible, measured data. Why are these data so different?
>> 
>> I did discover that soapy water's pH is above 10 -- possibly as high as 12-- indicating that there are abundant salts present, probably sodium and/or potassium. These dissolved salts strongly ionize the water, greatly increasing its conductivity (and perhaps changing its other electromagnetic characteristics). On the other hand, rain water is essentially pure, much closer to distilled water, with relatively few contaminants capable of being ionized. (See https://www.waterboards.ca.gov/water_issues/programs/swamp/docs/cwt/guidance/3130en.pdf). 
>> 
>> Having said all of this, when you study the G3TXQ paper I mentioned earlier, there's a glaring data point: Steve measured nearly constant, high loss, using soapy water, *from 7 through 30 MHz*. This confirms that an effect of the soap is swamping out everything else. In other words, there's something *in the soap itself* that is skewing the measurements beyond its intended purpose. He just wanted the soap to make the water cling better, but it ended up perturbing the very thing he was trying to measure (loss) way too much. It's a little bit like taking a lot of vitamin D for health, which causes you to become constipated!
>> 
>> My conclusion is that using soap to make the water cling to the window line was a brilliant idea but may have introduced much more error into the measurement. I believe the trend is correct -- that clinging water will increase loss-- but the absolute numbers aren't as realistic. G3TXQ's data also shows loss he measured during moderate rainfall, but the increase is from about 0.2 dB to 0.35 dB per 100 feet at 10 MHz. This is inconsequential at the other end of the QSO, and is still far better than the best coax you can buy.
>> 
>> I guess one question is, as window line ages and gets attacked by smog, becomes dirtier and more sun-baked, will it in fact support a continuous film of water in a rainstorm like soapy water does? Perhaps, in the Arizona desert or in hot and smoggy Los Angeles? And possibly not in another place that gets many times more rain? Do hams have to start waxing their transmission lines?! I forgot to ask Bob the age of his line, but if it's relatively new, maybe it's still able to shed water effectively? Maybe Bob lives in an area where stuff left outside stays relatively clean? Maybe all window line isn't equal... maybe some PE is better than others?  I don't know the answers to any of these questions.
>> 
>> We may prefer open-wire line (or coax) to window line for good reasons, but I believe it's rash to dismiss window line on the basis of "its loss goes way up when wet". Up, yes. Way up? Probably not. High enough to make a big difference? I doubt it. In planning a new antenna installation, hams should choose the most convenient transmission line for their needs, and should not feel guilty nor apprehensive for choosing window line if they see fit to do so.
>> 
>> 
>> Al  W6LX/4
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