[Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 214, Issue 6
Bob McGraw K4TAX
rmcgraw at benlomand.net
Wed Feb 16 18:50:36 EST 2022
Bob
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> 1. Re: When is a Key Out not a Key Out (Julia Tuttle)
> 2. Re: Key In - Key Out (W3AB/GEO)
> 3. K3 strange overshoot (Bob McGraw)
> 4. Re: K3 strange overshoot (Jim Brown)
> 5. Re: Lots of Elecraft seen in contest video (Josh Fiden)
> 6. K4D delivery time (Chuck Chandler)
> 7. Re: K4D delivery time (Jim Rhodes)
> 8. Re: K4D delivery time (Jim Brown)
> 9. Elecraft One-Time Deals -- special prices & limited
> quantities (Wayne Burdick)
> 10. Re: K4 Pricing (K5WA)
> 11. Re: K4 Pricing (Magnus Danielson)
> 12. Re: K4 Pricing (Brian Maynard)
> 13. Elecraft CW Net Announcement (kevin)
> 14. Sunday 40 Meter SSB net 7280, 1900Z (Steve Hall)
> 15. Re: K4 Pricing (Bill Johnson)
> 16. Elecraft CW Net Report (kevin)
> 17. K3 BG COMMAND (K4PI.Mike Greenway)
> 18. K3 with PX3 Panadapter (Ed G)
> 19. Re: K3 with PX3 Panadapter (Mark Goldberg)
> 20. End of 3G will not affect your Amateur Radio service
> (Wayne Burdick)
> 21. Re: End of 3G will not affect your Amateur Radio service
> (Gwen Patton)
> 22. Re: End of 3G will not affect your Amateur Radio service
> (Gwen Patton)
> 23. Re: End of 3G will not affect your Amateur Radio service
> (Ingo Meyer DK3RED)
> 24. Re: End of 3G will not affect your Amateur Radio service
> (john at kk9a.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 16:08:49 -0500
> From: Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net>
> To: Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr at gmail.com>
> Cc: Elecraft List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] When is a Key Out not a Key Out
> Message-ID:
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> It was technically an attack on your reason for disliking "KEY OUT", not
> you! I try to be careful to attack ideas, not people.
>
>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 4:06 PM Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well, at least I managed to precipitate something all too rare on the
>> Internet these days, unanimity. And only one of the responses went
>> beyond disagreeing, to attack me personally - that's progress of a sort.
>>
>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
>> web server at <http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
>> For spots, please use your favorite
>> "retail" DX cluster.
>>
>>> On 2/11/2022 1:23 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
>>> So, "keying the mic" or "keying up a repeater" is not proper
>>> terminology? I've long heard the phrase of "the radio keys the
>>> amplifier", etc.
>>>
>>> I need to go back to Novice class I guess...
>>>
>>> 73, Nate, N0NB
>>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 15:37:38 -0600
> From: W3AB/GEO <w3ab at w3ab.org>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Key In - Key Out
> Message-ID: <907b114cafae7faf12cbe8d1d37d0c14 at w3ab.org>
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> A very easy solution is at hand in most of our tool boxes, a label
> maker.
>
> Don't like the label you see, customize it. hihi
>
> ---
> 73 de W3AB/GEO
> AFA9GB
>
> WA2LSI, KE6RJW, W7B, AAR9AG
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 16:06:39 -0600
> From: Bob McGraw <rmcgraw at benlomand.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 strange overshoot
> Message-ID: <2ed546bc-0166-8855-c92c-def44aa0e093 at benlomand.net>
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> Although my configuration is a bit different,? K3S, P3, KPA500, and
> KAT500, I see a small initial overshoot when changing bands. Drive power
> for each band is different.? PWR SET is Per Band.? TUN PWR is set for 20
> watts.?? I have the amp configured to switch to STBY when changing
> bands.? I manually put it into OPER after a band change.???? I attribute
> the issue to be the ALC and power control system in the radio getting
> its act together.? K3S firmware version is?? uC 05.67.
>
> Operationally, when changing bands, I hit TUNE to make sure all is well
> with the switching and tuning.? Then place the amp in OPER as the band
> change puts it in STBY.? This seems to negate the issue.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
>> On 2/11/2022 3:06 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 16:43:21 +0100
>> From: "Petr Ourednik"<indians at xsmail.com>
>> To:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 strange overshoot
>> Message-ID:<0954bd6f-61f5-4218-a22f-3b016b3ba4fd at www.fastmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> so sorry to bother you over here.
>> I realized strange behavior of my trusty K3 (#778 fully upgraded, loaded, latest synths installed)
>> When I tried to exciting KPA500 amp I suffered with strange overshoots during first dots.
>>
>> Symptoms:
>> - up to 12W from K3 all is ok, over 13W the full scale deflection on KPA500 appears on first dots
>> - after 1-2 dots power drops back to expected power based on exciting power level
>> - the overshoot appears again after band changing or switching between OPER/STBY
>> - 160m-30m are heavily affected, 20m-10m behaves better and it can be driven up to 18W but overshoot appears too (just slightly to about 600W on LED scale)
>>
>> Conditions:
>> I realized that behavior into antennas with SWR all below 1:1.4 > no SWR protection activated at all.
>> The same issue appears into dummy load.
>>
>> I will be happy for any kind of ideas or hints where to start...:(
>> Many thanks in advance.
>>
>> 73 - Petr, OK1RP
>> "Apple & Elecraft freak"
>> B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
>> --
>> What could be easier..? ????_?(???)?_?/??
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 14:34:55 -0800
> From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 strange overshoot
> Message-ID:
> <a5e597a7-ec1d-8918-d553-ec7d3be9c7b3 at audiosystemsgroup.com>
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>> On 2/11/2022 2:06 PM, Bob McGraw wrote:
>> I see a small initial overshoot when changing bands. Drive power for
>> each band is different.
>
> Same here. I think it's the K3, and I think it's normal.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 14:57:17 -0800
> From: Josh Fiden <josh at voodoolab.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Lots of Elecraft seen in contest video
> Message-ID: <FD819D43-0F5D-4A34-9EA1-957B8A2BBF65 at voodoolab.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
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> Great video and impressive activations! Missed a lot of rigs, too busy looking at all the cool antennas.
>
> 73,
> Josh W6XU
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Feb 11, 2022, at 8:38 AM, Dean Wood <cqden6de at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Hi Elecraft list,
>>
>> The California QSO Party created a Youtube video to highlight all of the
>> county expedition stations in CQP 2021.
>>
>> Elecraft gear dominates in the video. Take a look at the "Notes" section
>> for each expedition and the accompanying pictures.
>>
>> Video can be seen at:
>> https://youtu.be/sK-OebMFn7I
>> After you click the Youtube video link, you can press the letter ' f ' to
>> view the video in full screen.
>>
>> 73...
>> -Dean - N6DE
>> CQP Chairman
>> K3 #313
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 18:34:06 -0500
> From: Chuck Chandler <chandlerusm at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K4D delivery time
> Message-ID:
> <CAOoYq8_bME1Q+mQsfZUwuzv14G+erKUqkAOVnxNSKbbBCEQCjQ at mail.gmail.com>
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> I?m getting serious about a new rig. Has anyone recently ordered a K4D and
> could you share the estimated delivery date?
>
> Many thanks!
>
> 73 de Chuck, WS1L
> --
> Sent from Gmail Mobile Chuck Chandler chandlerusm at gmail.com
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 19:14:32 -0600
> From: Jim Rhodes <jimk0xu at gmail.com>
> To: Chuck Chandler <chandlerusm at gmail.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4D delivery time
> Message-ID:
> <CALhxr4axcBwX-+X2v6VNABa47Dv-6DYfL5gwonKRekYGLT7+pw at mail.gmail.com>
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> I was looking a while back and it looked like the latest deliveries had
> been ordered about a year earlier.
>
>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 5:35 PM Chuck Chandler <chandlerusm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I?m getting serious about a new rig. Has anyone recently ordered a K4D and
>> could you share the estimated delivery date?
>>
>> Many thanks!
>>
>> 73 de Chuck, WS1L
>> --
>> Sent from Gmail Mobile Chuck Chandler chandlerusm at gmail.com
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 17:28:18 -0800
> From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4D delivery time
> Message-ID:
> <d3903024-e155-2f80-7fd9-f01f0edb02da at audiosystemsgroup.com>
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>> On 2/11/2022 3:34 PM, Chuck Chandler wrote:
>> could you share the estimated delivery date?
>
> I asked Madeline about that a month or two ago, for one ordered then,
> and was told "about six months."
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
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>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 07:56:26 -0800
> From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft One-Time Deals -- special prices &
> limited quantities
> Message-ID: <F61D26E1-948F-42C1-B822-CF1ABDF7B10E at elecraft.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> We have a few accessories in stock that are not listed elsewhere on our website and have now been designated as "One-Time Deals," with special pricing.
>
> For information, see:
>
> https://elecraft.com/pages/clearance-products
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 16:28:04 -0600
> From: "K5WA" <k5wa at comcast.net>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Cc: n8ag at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Dave,
>
>
>
> The exact price wasn?t exactly known as of May 2019 since not all of the sub-component prices had been obtained by Elecraft yet. Elecraft charged me $4,699.95 for a K4D with the understanding that I would pay some additional amount (expectation was 10%) when the price was finalized and mine was ready to ship. I ended up paying an additional $350. Shipping was free.
>
>
>
> As far as being on the fence, there are still many promised features yet to show up in the K4 firmware that might cause you to delay a current purchase but I got two of the K4Ds and am having a ball with mine just as they sit. I went through the 10-year improvement cycle of the K3?s firmware and know Elecraft will be improving the K4 in exactly the same way. Each new firmware update is Christmas Day all over again with new and improved features added to the rig! ?
>
>
>
> Bob K5WA
>
>
>
>
>
> Message: 7
>
> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 22:43:24 -0500 (EST)
>
> From: Dave Agsten <n8ag at comcast.net <mailto:n8ag at comcast.net> >
>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net> " <elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net> >
>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing
>
> Message-ID: <455689396.654753.1644551004565 at connect.xfinity.com <mailto:455689396.654753.1644551004565 at connect.xfinity.com> >
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
>
>
> Does anyone recall or know what the K4D price was if you ordered back in May of 2019?
>
>
>
> For those who have received their K4 on the East Coast, what was the shipping cost for just a K4D?
>
>
>
> I'm on the fence here as to whether or not I should invest in the K4. I'm also considering the ATU but I already have the KAT500. I'm not getting any younger. :-)
>
>
>
> Tnx es 73,
>
> Dave N8AG
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 00:01:15 +0100
> From: Magnus Danielson <magnus at rubidium.se>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing
> Message-ID: <680e45e8-4135-c0dd-255e-66fe9be99671 at rubidium.se>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Bob,
>
> Let me tell you that the firmware update of the radio worked like a
> charm when I applied it on first evening of the K4D in the house. Plug
> in Ethernet at the back, do the magic dance of Fn->Update etc. and it
> just did it's thing.
>
> So no need to wait, rather be patient to see things evolve.
>
> I've had my K4D for less than a week, and it grows on me. The one thing
> I want to figure out is how I get to order an upgrade to K4HD, even if I
> know I need for wait for it and pricing is yet to be settled.
>
> Cheers & 73,
> de SA0MAD Magnus
>
>> On 2022-02-12 23:28, K5WA wrote:
>> Dave,
>>
>>
>>
>> The exact price wasn?t exactly known as of May 2019 since not all of the sub-component prices had been obtained by Elecraft yet. Elecraft charged me $4,699.95 for a K4D with the understanding that I would pay some additional amount (expectation was 10%) when the price was finalized and mine was ready to ship. I ended up paying an additional $350. Shipping was free.
>>
>>
>>
>> As far as being on the fence, there are still many promised features yet to show up in the K4 firmware that might cause you to delay a current purchase but I got two of the K4Ds and am having a ball with mine just as they sit. I went through the 10-year improvement cycle of the K3?s firmware and know Elecraft will be improving the K4 in exactly the same way. Each new firmware update is Christmas Day all over again with new and improved features added to the rig! ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob K5WA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Message: 7
>>
>> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 22:43:24 -0500 (EST)
>>
>> From: Dave Agsten <n8ag at comcast.net <mailto:n8ag at comcast.net> >
>>
>> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net> " <elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net> >
>>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing
>>
>> Message-ID: <455689396.654753.1644551004565 at connect.xfinity.com <mailto:455689396.654753.1644551004565 at connect.xfinity.com> >
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone recall or know what the K4D price was if you ordered back in May of 2019?
>>
>>
>>
>> For those who have received their K4 on the East Coast, what was the shipping cost for just a K4D?
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm on the fence here as to whether or not I should invest in the K4. I'm also considering the ATU but I already have the KAT500. I'm not getting any younger. :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> Tnx es 73,
>>
>> Dave N8AG
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 18:20:54 -0500
> From: Brian Maynard <briankmaynard at gmail.com>
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing
> Message-ID: <49C45784-B9DC-4F86-825B-B029B52124BF at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> You can see an estimate of orders, delivery times and serial numbers at this IO site:
>
> https://groups.io/g/CreativeK4ShippingStatus
> <https://groups.io/g/CreativeK4ShippingStatus>
>
> Brian, K1NW
>
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>
> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 19:41:52 -0800
> From: kevin <kevinr at coho.net>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
> Message-ID: <bfdd943a-1ac5-4a25-f058-2e13c4590a85 at coho.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Good Evening,
>
> ?? I have been exercising my ears this week.? I bought a new set of
> speakers * and a sub-woofer? * so I had to check them out.? I started
> with a variety of types of music.? Then I wanted to test the specs.? A
> variable sound generator would be good but I didn't have one.? I could
> build one but laziness kicked in.? "I can do this" (hubris).? "I can do
> this now" (impatience).? All three traits triggered at once, so I wrote
> one instead.? *
>
> ?? A few hours later my hubris had been tempered; sound drivers are dry
> reading.? Then I had a sine wave of a single frequency for ten seconds.?
> Creating 44,100 samples per second was good enough. Then I swept the
> frequency from low to high for one minute. Fourier suggested I add a few
> sines or cosines together.? That created beat notes and resonances.? I
> now know the resonant frequencies of my house, various appliances, and
> my sinuses.
>
> ?? The sun is tossing streams of gas at us this week.? A few more are
> due to hit tomorrow and Monday.? Depending on the timing, conditions
> could deteriorate quickly.? There is also another Sunday activity which
> may or may not affect attendance.? However, my ears are feeling pretty
> good about life so CW should be soothing, even over the hiss of the sun.
>
>
> Please join us on (or near):
>
> 14050 kHz at 2300z Sunday? (3 PM PST Sunday)
> ?7047 kHz at 0030z Monday? (4:30 PM PST Sunday)
>
> ?? 73,
> ????? Kevin. KD5ONS
>
>
>
>
> -
>
>
>
> * code snippet
>
> float freq = 17.f;
> float incr_freq = 0.00002f;
> int seconds = 300;
> unsigned sample_rate = 44100;
> double my_pi = 3.14159;
> size_t buf_size = seconds * sample_rate;
>
> // allocate PCM audio buffer
> short * samples = malloc(sizeof(short) * buf_size);
>
> for( int i=0; i<buf_size; ++i)
> ?? {
> // samples[i]? = 3192 * sin( (2.f * my_pi * 5.19*freq)/sample_rate * i );
> ?? ?samples[i]? = 5134 * sin( (2.f * my_pi * 0.90*freq)/sample_rate * i );
> // samples[i] += 3097 * cos( (2.f * my_pi * 3.36*freq)/sample_rate * i );
>
> ?? ?samples[i] += 3097 * sin( (2.f * my_pi * 151.0)/sample_rate * i );
> ?? ?samples[i] += 3097 * cos( (2.f * my_pi * 20.60)/sample_rate * i );
>
> ?? freq += incr_freq;? //? sweep frequency just to make things interesting
> /*
> ?? if (17.0 > freq || freq > 1550.0)
> ????? {
> ????? incr_freq *= -1.0f;? // toggle direction of freq increment
> ????? }
> */
> ?? }
>
>
>
> *
> https://audioengineusa.com/shop/wirelessspeakers/a2-wireless-computer-speakers/
>
> * https://audioengineusa.com/shop/subwoofers/s6-compact-powered-subwoofer/
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 14:42:09 -0500
> From: Steve Hall <99sunset at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Sunday 40 Meter SSB net 7280, 1900Z
> Message-ID:
> <CALdUqNOQQ7vcrUmGmt5-xo6ejv6emebHZJNt5sdc51FttckVdg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Strong signals all around. Low band noise. Thanks to my relay stations.
> WM6P STEVE GA K4D NETCONTROL
> AC8UC RAY OH K4
> KB9AVO PAUL IN K4
> W3SA JOHN NC TS890
> W9EJB ED IN K4D
> K8NU CARL OH FTDX101D
> WY3T TIM FL K3S
> AE6JV BILL NH K3
> K5LD DAN TX K3
> WN3T RICK VA IC7610
> K1NW BRIAN RI K3
> N0MPM MIKE IA K3S
> KB3FWI GREG PA TS830
> KF4ALF STAN FL IC718
> KG4DBM JASON TN SWAN 140
>
>
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>
> Message: 15
> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 22:01:10 +0000
> From: Bill Johnson <k9yeq at live.com>
> To: K5WA <k5wa at comcast.net>, "elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
> <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Cc: "n8ag at comcast.net" <n8ag at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing
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> Bob, well put. Every release to me like going out and buying another, better radio.
>
> 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of K5WA
> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2022 4:28 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Cc: n8ag at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing
>
> Dave,
>
>
>
> The exact price wasn?t exactly known as of May 2019 since not all of the sub-component prices had been obtained by Elecraft yet. Elecraft charged me $4,699.95 for a K4D with the understanding that I would pay some additional amount (expectation was 10%) when the price was finalized and mine was ready to ship. I ended up paying an additional $350. Shipping was free.
>
>
>
> As far as being on the fence, there are still many promised features yet to show up in the K4 firmware that might cause you to delay a current purchase but I got two of the K4Ds and am having a ball with mine just as they sit. I went through the 10-year improvement cycle of the K3?s firmware and know Elecraft will be improving the K4 in exactly the same way. Each new firmware update is Christmas Day all over again with new and improved features added to the rig! ?
>
>
>
> Bob K5WA
>
>
>
>
>
> Message: 7
>
> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 22:43:24 -0500 (EST)
>
> From: Dave Agsten <n8ag at comcast.net <mailto:n8ag at comcast.net> >
>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net> " <elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net> >
>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Pricing
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>
>
> Does anyone recall or know what the K4D price was if you ordered back in May of 2019?
>
>
>
> For those who have received their K4 on the East Coast, what was the shipping cost for just a K4D?
>
>
>
> I'm on the fence here as to whether or not I should invest in the K4. I'm also considering the ATU but I already have the KAT500. I'm not getting any younger. :-)
>
>
>
> Tnx es 73,
>
> Dave N8AG
>
>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 20:00:14 -0800
> From: kevin <kevinr at coho.net>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
> Message-ID: <126cb0ab-2853-7004-3097-90e4aabf9438 at coho.net>
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> Good Evening,
>
> ?? Twenty meters had a little slow QSB and low noise.? Forty meters had
> faster QSB, while the noise level varied over time. Winter is in control
> east of the Rockies.? The next storms arrive here in a few days.? Sun
> during the middle of winter is very nice.? Spring is coming; I need to
> lay down my radials before the ferns start growing.? The hummingbirds
> are due any day now.
>
>
> ? On 14050.75 kHz at 2300:
>
> NO8V - John - MI
>
> K4TO - Dave - KY
>
> K0DTJ - Brian - CA
>
> K6XK - Roy - IA
>
> K4JPN - Steve - GA
>
>
> ? On 7047.5 kHz at 0030z:
>
> K0DTJ - Brian - CA
>
> K6PJV - Dale - CA
>
> K7TXA - Jim - ID
>
> AE7US - Rocky - OR
>
> WM5F - Dwight - ID
>
> AE6JV - Bill - NH
>
> W8OV - Dave - TX
>
>
> ?? Until next week 73,
>
> ????? Kevin.? KD5ONS
>
>
>
> -
>
>
>
>
> Palindromes are words, or series of words, which read the same forward
> and backward.
>
> Able was I ere I saw Elba
> A man a plan Panama
> Was it a cat I saw
> etc.
>
> We use 73 often.? It is an example of a CW palindrome; it sounds the
> same forward and backward.
>
> Creating numeric CW palindromes is simple:
> 73
> 82
> 91
> 55
> etc.
>
> How do you form a CW palindrome using letters?
> Letters which form actual words, legal in Scrabble?
>
> While AHA is a palindromic word it is not a CW palindrome since
> ?? di dah??? di di di dit?? di dah
> Is not the same as
> ?? dah dit?? di di di dit?? dah dit
> which forms NHN.
>
> Hints -
> Characters which mirror themselves:
> E H I K M O P R S T X
>
> Characters which form mirror pairs:
> A? N
> B? V
> D? U
> F? L
> G? W
> Q? Y
>
> C J Z?? have no inverse
>
> Mirror words:
> I
> an
> ere
> wig
> mom
> toot
> gnaw
> fool
> feel
>
> I have not yet found a five letter CW palindrome.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 08:58:26 -0500
> From: "K4PI.Mike Greenway" <K4PI at BELLSOUTH.NET>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 BG COMMAND
> Message-ID: <628db845-04a3-785f-75ca-83b1f819cb58 at BELLSOUTH.NET>
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> I need some help with using the BG command and other questions.? Could
> someone contact me offline if they are familiar with setting up that
> command and also finding a command to change LINE IN.? I cant find that
> in the Programmers Reference Manual.? 73 Mike K4PI
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:57:25 -0500
> From: Ed G <ed.n3cw at gmail.com>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with PX3 Panadapter
> Message-ID: <620a6dd5.1c69fb81.c4b1f.a431 at mx.google.com>
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> Has anyone tried using a PX3 with the K3 transceiver? Seems like running the IF through an LP-PAN, and then connecting the I/Q output of the LP-PAN to the PX3 would work.
> --Ed, N3CW?
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 19
> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:05:31 -0700
> From: Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com>
> To: Ed G <ed.n3cw at gmail.com>
> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 with PX3 Panadapter
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> I would not think the software / firmware would work. The PX3 connects to
> the KX3 serial port and they talk. For example, the PX3 knows what
> frequency the KX3 is on. It tracks the KX3 and shows colored bars where the
> VFO passbands are.
>
> 73,
>
> Mark
> W7MLG
>
>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 7:58 AM Ed G <ed.n3cw at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone tried using a PX3 with the K3 transceiver? Seems like running
>> the IF through an LP-PAN, and then connecting the I/Q output of the LP-PAN
>> to the PX3 would work.
>> --Ed, N3CW?
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 20:16:48 -0800
> From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] End of 3G will not affect your Amateur Radio
> service
> Message-ID: <4F14E135-2813-4854-9A5A-922EACC87347 at elecraft.com>
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> Major cellular networks are planning to phase out 3G support in favor of 4G and 5G, starting this month with AT&T. This will render useless millions of cell phones, home alarm systems, car security systems, and "I've fallen and I can't get up!" buttons.
>
> As an Amateur Radio service subscriber, you'll be relieved to know that *your* communications service will not be affected. Elecraft is fully committed to noninterference with the physical laws governing ionospheric propagation. Further, we promise to never sell any spectrum without advance notice.
>
> 3G has had a good run. But it can't match the longevity of 0G.
>
> Wayne, N6KR
> Service Rep.
> Elecraft, Inc.
>
> -------------------
> Ham radio: The original network, serving you continuously since 1907.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 23:29:45 -0500
> From: Gwen Patton <ardrhi at gmail.com>
> To: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] End of 3G will not affect your Amateur Radio
> service
> Message-ID:
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> I have a couple of phones that I just put month-to-month sim cards from
> Ting into. They're served by T-Mobile. One of my old phones is definitely
> getting obsoleted out, but that's fine, it's an ancient 2g "Feature Phone"
> I got from Ebay on a whim. I don't THINK it's a 3g phone...it's one of
> those Samsung Gravity "Sidekick" style keyboard phones. The only other
> phone I have one of those cards in is my Inrico 320, and that's safely 4g.
> I'll probably deactivate the card from the old feature phone rather than
> pay line charges on it, and buy a new card if I get another phone. I'm not
> worried about the Gravity, it only cost me about $40 on Ebay anyway, and it
> was just a whim to get a cool phone I couldn't afford when it was actually
> popular.
>
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> 73,
> Gwen, NG3P
>
>
>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 11:17 PM Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>
>> Major cellular networks are planning to phase out 3G support in favor of
>> 4G and 5G, starting this month with AT&T. This will render useless millions
>> of cell phones, home alarm systems, car security systems, and "I've fallen
>> and I can't get up!" buttons.
>>
>> As an Amateur Radio service subscriber, you'll be relieved to know that
>> *your* communications service will not be affected. Elecraft is fully
>> committed to noninterference with the physical laws governing ionospheric
>> propagation. Further, we promise to never sell any spectrum without advance
>> notice.
>>
>> 3G has had a good run. But it can't match the longevity of 0G.
>>
>> Wayne, N6KR
>> Service Rep.
>> Elecraft, Inc.
>>
>> -------------------
>> Ham radio: The original network, serving you continuously since 1907.
>>
>>
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> Message: 22
> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 23:35:55 -0500
> From: Gwen Patton <ardrhi at gmail.com>
> To: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] End of 3G will not affect your Amateur Radio
> service
> Message-ID:
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>
> If I'm wrong and the T320 isn't the VoLTE that's safe for now, I guess I'll
> just have to get something more up to date. *shrug*
>
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> 73,
> Gwen, NG3P
>
>
>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 11:29 PM Gwen Patton <ardrhi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have a couple of phones that I just put month-to-month sim cards from
>> Ting into. They're served by T-Mobile. One of my old phones is definitely
>> getting obsoleted out, but that's fine, it's an ancient 2g "Feature Phone"
>> I got from Ebay on a whim. I don't THINK it's a 3g phone...it's one of
>> those Samsung Gravity "Sidekick" style keyboard phones. The only other
>> phone I have one of those cards in is my Inrico 320, and that's safely 4g.
>> I'll probably deactivate the card from the old feature phone rather than
>> pay line charges on it, and buy a new card if I get another phone. I'm not
>> worried about the Gravity, it only cost me about $40 on Ebay anyway, and it
>> was just a whim to get a cool phone I couldn't afford when it was actually
>> popular.
>>
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>> 73,
>> Gwen, NG3P
>>
>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 11:17 PM Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Major cellular networks are planning to phase out 3G support in favor of
>>> 4G and 5G, starting this month with AT&T. This will render useless millions
>>> of cell phones, home alarm systems, car security systems, and "I've fallen
>>> and I can't get up!" buttons.
>>>
>>> As an Amateur Radio service subscriber, you'll be relieved to know that
>>> *your* communications service will not be affected. Elecraft is fully
>>> committed to noninterference with the physical laws governing ionospheric
>>> propagation. Further, we promise to never sell any spectrum without advance
>>> notice.
>>>
>>> 3G has had a good run. But it can't match the longevity of 0G.
>>>
>>> Wayne, N6KR
>>> Service Rep.
>>> Elecraft, Inc.
>>>
>>> -------------------
>>> Ham radio: The original network, serving you continuously since 1907.
>>>
>>>
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>>
>
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>
> Message: 23
> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2022 09:09:23 +0100
> From: Ingo Meyer DK3RED <dk3red at darc.de>
> To: Elecraft List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] End of 3G will not affect your Amateur Radio
> service
> Message-ID: <810859d5-27d5-7825-742f-efa446fc36c2 at darc.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Hello Gwen,
>
>
>> ... One of my old phones is definitely
>> getting obsoleted out, but that's fine, it's an ancient 2g "Feature Phone"
>> I got from Ebay on a whim.
>
> Here in Germany, 3G was already switched off in July 2021. However, most phones continue
> to work as they can handle both 3G and 4G.
>
> And please take a close look at your 2G phone before throwing it away. My ancient 2G phone
> continues to work even if 3G no longer exists here.
>
>
> 73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
> www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2022 11:30:22 -0500
> From: <john at kk9a.com>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] End of 3G will not affect your Amateur Radio
> service
> Message-ID: <000601d82352$7f120f10$7d362d30$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I think you're missing the point of Wayne's humorist post. I also like 0G
> on my K3S!
>
> John KK9A
>
>
>
> Gwen Patton NG3P wrote:
>
> I have a couple of phones that I just put month-to-month sim cards from
> Ting into. They're served by T-Mobile. One of my old phones is definitely
> getting obsoleted out, but that's fine, it's an ancient 2g "Feature Phone"
> I got from Ebay on a whim. I don't THINK it's a 3g phone...it's one of
> those Samsung Gravity "Sidekick" style keyboard phones. The only other
> phone I have one of those cards in is my Inrico 320, and that's safely 4g.
> I'll probably deactivate the card from the old feature phone rather than
> pay line charges on it, and buy a new card if I get another phone. I'm not
> worried about the Gravity, it only cost me about $40 on Ebay anyway, and it
> was just a whim to get a cool phone I couldn't afford when it was actually
> popular.
>
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> 73,
> Gwen, NG3P
>
>
>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 11:17 PM Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>
>> Major cellular networks are planning to phase out 3G support in favor of
>> 4G and 5G, starting this month with AT&T. This will render useless
> millions
>> of cell phones, home alarm systems, car security systems, and "I've fallen
>> and I can't get up!" buttons.
>>
>> As an Amateur Radio service subscriber, you'll be relieved to know that
>> *your* communications service will not be affected. Elecraft is fully
>> committed to noninterference with the physical laws governing ionospheric
>> propagation. Further, we promise to never sell any spectrum without
> advance
>> notice.
>>
>> 3G has had a good run. But it can't match the longevity of 0G.
>>
>> Wayne, N6KR
>> Service Rep.
>> Elecraft, Inc.
>>
>> -------------------
>> Ham radio: The original network, serving you continuously since 1907.
>
>
>
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