[Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
Ron Bell
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Thu Oct 21 16:10:06 EDT 2021
Unless you have no alternatives, find another ISP. Comcast is not a great
or consumer focused company. If you have a lot of time and energy, you can
fight this and may win. If you dont have Verizon or an alternative wireline
company in your area, look into Starlink, still in Beta but I am hearing
great reviews from those who have it.
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1. Re: HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
(Gary K9GS)
2. Suggestion re dealing with Xfinity and similar (Steve Stutman)
3. Re: HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
(Michael Walker)
4. Re: HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
(AB2E Darrell)
5. Re: HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
(Wayne Burdick)
6. Re: HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
(Kris Mraz)
7. Re: HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS (Fred)
8. Re: Suggestion re dealing with Xfinity and similar (Phil Kane)
9. HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS (John Harper)
10. Re: HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
(Al Lorona)
11. Re: HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
(Julia Tuttle)
12. External keying auto detect on KX3? (Paul Huff)
13. Re: External keying auto detect on KX3? (Julia Tuttle)
14. Through-hole Replacement for K3 Q5 (2N7002) (Pete Smith N4ZR)
15. Re: HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
(Buck K4IA)
16. Re: External keying auto detect on KX3? (Julia Tuttle)
17. Re: HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS (Hank)
18. Re: HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
(Drew AF2Z)
19. Re: HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
(Julia Tuttle)
20. Re: Suggestion re dealing with Xfinity and similar (Gwen Patton)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 20:02:21 -0400
From: Gary K9GS <k9gs at gjschwartz.com>
To: eric norris <gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com>, Elecraft Reflector
<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM
ANTENNAS
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I would also suggest posting this on the RFI reflector.73,Gary K9GS
-------- Original message --------From: Gary K9GS <k9gs at gjschwartz.com>
Date: 10/20/21 7:55 PM (GMT-05:00) To: eric norris
<gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com>, Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
Hi Eric,Xfinity is a closed system.? If your amateur radio operations are
causing problems it is their problem to fix.That said, a non ham friend back
in WI has been having recurring outages on his Spectrum system.? Technicians
have been out to his house several times and they acknowledge that there is
a problem in his subdivision.? Spectrum has documentation of the outages.The
last visit by Spectrum the technician said that the problem was probably
caused by a ham in the neighborhood.? ?As far as I know there are no hams
near him.? The problem is that Spectrum doesn?t want to spend the time or
the resources to fix the problem. It's just easier to blame the neighborhood
ham.I explained this to my friend and
he recently was told that Spectrum was going to replace the trunk lines
and distribution amps in the subdivision.? No committment on a date
yet.73,Gary K9GS-------- Original message --------From: eric norris via
Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Date: 10/20/21? 2:22 PM? (GMT-05:00) To:
Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: [Elecraft] HELP!?
XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS Dear Gang:Xfinity, our
internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the XYL
that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had
caused wide area outages.? Oddly, these wide area outages did not include my
own house.? They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were
the problemThe last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and
opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use
14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w
unless I'm in a rare contest.? I asked to speak to a technical guy--they
gave me a number which I called, but he never called back.Any Ideas?? Does
anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications lawyer??
Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd appreciate
any help.??My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.? Being off the
air is unimaginable.Frantic,73, Eric WD6DBM?
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 20:19:56 -0400
From: Steve Stutman <radiorobots at gmail.com>
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Suggestion re dealing with Xfinity and similar
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Hi,
When needing to get a result from anything publicly regulated, consider
using something other than the interwebs or 800 number.
K6MR points in the right direction.
Specifically:
Write a certified letter, return receipt requested, to the CEO or president
of the involved entity and cc: via the same method to head of your Public
Utilities Commission, or whatever you have in 6, as suggested by Ken.
State your case and surrounding events clearly, much as you have done here
on the list.
Point out that you are a licensed operator of a Federally licensed radio
station.
It may say Amateur, but it is still Federally regulated and you have rights.
You might state your degree of willingness to work with them to solve their
problems at no cost; I know of a couple of instances in which people were
intimidated and apologetically bent over backwards twice and of one case in
which the op told them to pound sand and threatened to identify their
technical incompetence to the media.
First two people got some results over the course of weeks, the third person
got action in two hours.
One presumes that there is some technical competence somewhere in the
company, but obviously not so with the representatives coming to your door.
If, in fact, your station is causing any issues, the most likely cause is
that they are using poorly designed, offshore manufactured equipment.
The various type acceptances on a lot of gear are printed on a label, but
not measured in a lab; hard to imagine.
When I get on 20m here my "smoke and monoxide" detectors sound off. One of
these days I'll run more than 100W, but one presumes it's just RF getting
into poorly shielded gear.
FWIW, these same detectors occasionally spontaneously sound off every year
or two at O dark.
Company has replaced six detectors three times; I wonder why?
Over the years I have sent certified letters to utilities to deal with
issues in a professional capacity as well as personally, i.e. stuff at the
house.
In most cases it will get you engaged with someone who is both knowledgeable
and in authority.
Certainly not someone who blames "an antenna" for second rate gear in a
poorly designed system.
Hope that you are able to get a good response and get your 'net back.
73,
Steve
KL7JT/1
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 20:25:19 -0400
From: Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM
ANTENNAS
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I guess hooking up the KPA500 right to your Xfinity Coax and doing automated
FT8 on 20M would not be the best thing to do. :)
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
And, seriously, if it was me, I would head to the main local office if you
can. find the manager or owner and request him to show the data that proves
what is going on. Don't be afraid to ask him if he is guessing or does he
have empirical evidence. Take some technical help with you if you need it
and be professional.
I would also say, you have no proof as my internet works fine even when I
transmit. Come over and watch for yourself.
Also, is the lack of internet affecting your health and safety? Ask them if
they wish to take the liability for that. Are there other ways you can go
on the offensive?
Best of luck, Mike va3mw
On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 7:56 PM Gary K9GS <k9gs at gjschwartz.com> wrote:
> Hi Eric,Xfinity is a closed system. If your amateur radio operations
> are causing problems it is their problem to fix.That said, a non ham
> friend back in WI has been having recurring outages on his Spectrum
system.
> Technicians have been out to his house several times and they
> acknowledge that there is a problem in his subdivision. Spectrum has
> documentation of the outages.The last visit by Spectrum the technician
said that the problem
> was probably caused by a ham in the neighborhood. As far as I know there
> are no hams near him. The problem is that Spectrum doesn?t want to
> spend the time or the resources to fix the problem. It's just easier
> to blame the neighborhood ham.I explained this to my friend and he
> recently was told that Spectrum was going to replace the trunk lines
> and distribution amps in the subdivision. No committment on a date
> yet.73,Gary K9GS
> -------- Original message --------From: eric norris via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Date: 10/20/21 2:22 PM (GMT-05:00) To:
> Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: [Elecraft] HELP!
> XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS Dear Gang:Xfinity, our
> internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the
> XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio
> activities had caused wide area outages. Oddly, these wide area
> outages did not include my own house. They told her the antennas
> themselves--absent any power--were the problemThe last time I was
> threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded
> ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier
> frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare
> contest. I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number
> which I called, but he never called back.Any Ideas? Does anyone have
> a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications lawyer?
> Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd appreciate
any help. My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.
> Being off the air is unimaginable.Frantic,73, Eric WD6DBM?
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 00:41:29 +0000
From: AB2E Darrell <ab2e at hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM
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Eric,
I'm skeptical. Did you receive anything in writing or see a letter from
Comcast stating this?
It sounds more like the Comcast tech taking it on himself to say you are
being banned.
I would call their customer service and check the status of your account,
get something in writing if it's true, then contact your state authority
that regulates telecoms, and file a complaint.
I've never heard of anyone being banned as a customer by Comcast.
73 Darrell AB2E
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
On 2021-10-20 2:21 p.m., eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
> Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to
> explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my
> amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages.[snip] They told
> her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem
Anyone telling you the mere presence of an antenna is the source of problem
is someone who has absolutely no idea what they are talking about.
Ask them for a list of the dates, times, and durations of some of the area
wide outages and compare that information against your log book to see if
there is any correlation.
It is very likely there are other hams in your area. It could be someone
else causing the problem who may not be an Xfinity customer. If any ham
radio, or other radio transmissions, are causing their systems problems it
shows they haven't properly protected their equipment from stray RF and/or
they have a problem with an installation somewhere.
--
Cheers!
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 17:51:17 -0700
From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM
ANTENNAS
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Is it true that, at a certain power level (left as an exercise for the
reader), one can cauterize pesky coax nodes?
Wayne
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 20:23:25 -0500
From: Kris Mraz <kilo.mike at gte.net>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM
ANTENNAS
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When I put my tower up 25 yrs ago my next door neighbor complained of
interference. I went over to his house to watch for TVI while a ham friend
was at my house keying the transmitter. Suddenly a window started vibrating
causing a buzzing sound. He said ?See, SEE!?. Just then his wife calls out
from another room ?Honey, it?s just the dryer?.
Never had another complaint after that. ?
Kris N5KM
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 18:53:36 -0700
From: Fred <k6dgwnv at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM
ANTENNAS
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Circa 1958:? Neighbor and TV Repairman came to my parent's door ...
"Your son's ham radio is interfering with my TV.? Dad: "Our son has been
away at college for 2 years and his radio equipment is packed up in the
closet."? Long pause ... then TV guy, "Well his wire antenna is still up
there and it's between my customer and Mt. Wilson, and it's sucking all the
signal out of the air."? Dad: "I'll ask him to take it down next time he
comes home."? That didn't happen 'til maybe another year, I had a full time
job at the local TV station at college and didn't get home very often.? I
did finally take it down, neighbor's TV still didn't work well, and he still
blamed me.
--
73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County
Kris Mraz wrote on 10/20/2021 6:23 PM:
> When I put my tower up 25 yrs ago my next door neighbor complained of
interference. I went over to his house to watch for TVI while a ham friend
was at my house keying the transmitter. Suddenly a window started vibrating
causing a buzzing sound. He said ?See, SEE!?. Just then his wife calls out
from another room ?Honey, it?s just the dryer?.
>
> Never had another complaint after that. ?
>
> Kris N5KM
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 19:00:58 -0700
From: Phil Kane <k2asp at kanafi.org>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Suggestion re dealing with Xfinity and similar
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On 10/20/2021 5:19 PM, Steve Stutman wrote:
> Write a certified letter, return receipt requested, to the CEO or
president
> of the involved entity and cc: via the same method to head of your Public
> Utilities Commission, or whatever you have in 6, as suggested by Ken.
Eric --
Before you do that, call their Customer Service desk and say - word for
word in a gentle tone - "Please tell me the name and address of your
Registered Agent for Service of Process". When they finally understand
what you are asking, that usually strikes fear into any corporate entity
that they may face litigation, and then they start to listen to you.
As a communications attorney I have had to use that tactic for several
clients with success. I would have loved to jump in to support you on
this case but I am on medical leave as several folks here know fighting
serious cancer. I can still answer questions as needed and as my health
situation allows.
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
ARRL Volunteer Counsel
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 06:30:55 -0500
From: John Harper <johnae5x at gmail.com>
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Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM
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"Just our luck - ham radio operators":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alI2TWuL3cs
John AE5X
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 13:26:48 +0000 (UTC)
From: Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net>
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM
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Jim beat me to it. I was also going to urge you to transmit as much as
possible on 20 meters with the highest power you can. The idea is to become
a hair ball that Xfinity can't swallow nor can't cough back up.
If anybody comes up to you to complain that you're still causing outages,
use the same twisted logic that Xfinity used and tell them, "That's
impossible. It couldn't be me because Xfinity has already disconnected me."
Al? W6LX/4
>>> and 3) operate at you highest practical power
>>>level as often as possible.
>>>73, Jim K9YC
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 09:35:40 -0400
From: Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net>
To: Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM
ANTENNAS
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But remember, you're required to use the lowest power level feasible...
...so time to try for some really challenging DX, and keep your logs!
Seriously though, did you find out if they're actually kicking you off or
if this was just a grumpy local tech misguidedly trying to fix a problem by
threatening you?
73,
Julie
On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 09:27 Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Jim beat me to it. I was also going to urge you to transmit as much as
> possible on 20 meters with the highest power you can. The idea is to
become
> a hair ball that Xfinity can't swallow nor can't cough back up.
>
> If anybody comes up to you to complain that you're still causing outages,
> use the same twisted logic that Xfinity used and tell them, "That's
> impossible. It couldn't be me because Xfinity has already disconnected
me."
>
> Al W6LX/4
>
>
>
> >>> and 3) operate at you highest practical power
> >>>level as often as possible.
>
> >>>73, Jim K9YC
>
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 09:43:41 -0400
From: Paul Huff <paul142857 at gmail.com>
To: Elecraft Email List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] External keying auto detect on KX3?
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My new KX3 is in the mail and I am really looking forward to getting it!
There is a little trick that works on the K2, using a couple of diodes, that
allows you to have both a straight key and a paddle plugged in at the same
time and the rig will auto-detect which one is being used at a given time.
Does this same auto-detect work on the KX3 or do you have to make a menu
entry each time you switch keying devices?
Thanks in advance for any replies.
73,
Paul - N8XMS
100% QRP CW
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 09:53:21 -0400
From: Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net>
To: Paul Huff <paul142857 at gmail.com>
Cc: Elecraft Email List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] External keying auto detect on KX3?
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Oh, that's a cool trick! Sadly, I don't see anything in the manual or on
Google about it for the KX3.
You can, of course, always assign that menu option to PF1 or PF2, or go
further and do one of the cute pairs of macros to toggle between the two
modes you use.
Congrats on the KX3, by the way! It is a delightful rig.
73,
Julie
On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 09:44 Paul Huff <paul142857 at gmail.com> wrote:
> My new KX3 is in the mail and I am really looking forward to getting it!
> There is a little trick that works on the K2, using a couple of diodes,
> that allows you to have both a straight key and a paddle plugged in at the
> same time and the rig will auto-detect which one is being used at a given
> time. Does this same auto-detect work on the KX3 or do you have to make a
> menu entry each time you switch keying devices?
>
> Thanks in advance for any replies.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul - N8XMS
> 100% QRP CW
>
>
>
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 09:54:02 -0400
From: Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr at gmail.com>
To: Elecraft List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Through-hole Replacement for K3 Q5 (2N7002)
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The original surface-mount part seems to be back in stock in the US, but
I'm afraid that what I need is a through-hole equivalent, because the PC
board where the old one was mounted is a wreck (damage from part
failure, plus my ham-handed efforts to replace it). Google thinks a
2N7000 will do, but I'd sure like to get an expert opinion.
--
73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
web server at <http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 10:04:06 -0400
From: Buck K4IA <radiok4ia at gmail.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM
ANTENNAS
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My bet is you have a rogue tech who couldn't find the problem and
decided to blame you.? He greatly exceeded his authority and as soon as
a higher-up hears what happened, this will be reversed.? Besides, since
we know you aren't the problem, the problem is still there and his
"solution" will be proven wrong.
Buck, K4IA
DXCC Honor Roll
8BDXCC
Author EasyWayHamBooks.com
On 10/21/2021 9:35 AM, Julia Tuttle wrote:
> But remember, you're required to use the lowest power level feasible...
>
> ...so time to try for some really challenging DX, and keep your logs!
>
> Seriously though, did you find out if they're actually kicking you off or
> if this was just a grumpy local tech misguidedly trying to fix a problem
by
> threatening you?
>
> 73,
>
> Julie
>
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 09:27 Al Lorona<alorona at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Jim beat me to it. I was also going to urge you to transmit as much as
>> possible on 20 meters with the highest power you can. The idea is to
become
>> a hair ball that Xfinity can't swallow nor can't cough back up.
>>
>> If anybody comes up to you to complain that you're still causing outages,
>> use the same twisted logic that Xfinity used and tell them, "That's
>> impossible. It couldn't be me because Xfinity has already disconnected
me."
>>
>> Al W6LX/4
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> and 3) operate at you highest practical power
>>>>> level as often as possible.
>>>>> 73, Jim K9YC
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 10:47:35 -0400
From: Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net>
To: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
Cc: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] External keying auto detect on KX3?
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Oh, yes, that's what I have -- KXPD3 on the front, straight key plugged in
to the key jack -- but I assumed Paul was looking for a setup for discrete
external paddles.
73,
Julie
On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 10:46 Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name> wrote:
> The KX3 does have thi separate paddle jack for the matching KXPD3 paddles
> you can put on the front, so I guess you could use that.
>
>
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Email: buddy at brannan.name
> Mobile: (814) 431-0962
>
>
>
> > On Oct 21, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:
> >
> > Oh, that's a cool trick! Sadly, I don't see anything in the manual or on
> > Google about it for the KX3.
> >
> > You can, of course, always assign that menu option to PF1 or PF2, or go
> > further and do one of the cute pairs of macros to toggle between the two
> > modes you use.
> >
> > Congrats on the KX3, by the way! It is a delightful rig.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Julie
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 09:44 Paul Huff <paul142857 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> My new KX3 is in the mail and I am really looking forward to getting
it!
> >> There is a little trick that works on the K2, using a couple of diodes,
> >> that allows you to have both a straight key and a paddle plugged in at
> the
> >> same time and the rig will auto-detect which one is being used at a
> given
> >> time. Does this same auto-detect work on the KX3 or do you have to
> make a
> >> menu entry each time you switch keying devices?
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance for any replies.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> Paul - N8XMS
> >> 100% QRP CW
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 11:31:38 -0400
From: Hank <hbjr at optilink.us>
To: Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net>
Cc: Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net>, Elecraft
<Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM
ANTENNAS
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Good advice - don?t be unprofessional just because a rogue technician is.
Hank
K4HYJ
> On Oct 21, 2021, at 9:36 AM, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:
>
> ?But remember, you're required to use the lowest power level feasible...
>
> ...so time to try for some really challenging DX, and keep your logs!
>
> Seriously though, did you find out if they're actually kicking you off or
> if this was just a grumpy local tech misguidedly trying to fix a problem
by
> threatening you?
>
> 73,
>
> Julie
>
>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 09:27 Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> Jim beat me to it. I was also going to urge you to transmit as much as
>> possible on 20 meters with the highest power you can. The idea is to
become
>> a hair ball that Xfinity can't swallow nor can't cough back up.
>>
>> If anybody comes up to you to complain that you're still causing outages,
>> use the same twisted logic that Xfinity used and tell them, "That's
>> impossible. It couldn't be me because Xfinity has already disconnected
me."
>>
>> Al W6LX/4
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> and 3) operate at you highest practical power
>>>>> level as often as possible.
>>
>>>>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 11:43:46 -0400
From: Drew AF2Z <pubx1 at af2z.net>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM
ANTENNAS
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I would take the easiest way: tell them whatever BS they need to hear to
be satisfied; then operate however you like without restriction. Dump
Comcast at the soonest opportunity.
I would not waste my time with lawyers, letters, phone calls,
explanations, etc. As Mark Twain said: Never argue with an idiot; they
will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. This is
similar to dealing with corporate bureaucracy.
73,
Drew
AF2Z
On 10/21/21 10:31, Hank via Elecraft wrote:
> Good advice - don?t be unprofessional just because a rogue technician is.
>
> Hank
> K4HYJ
>
>> On Oct 21, 2021, at 9:36 AM, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?But remember, you're required to use the lowest power level feasible...
>>
>> ...so time to try for some really challenging DX, and keep your logs!
>>
>> Seriously though, did you find out if they're actually kicking you off or
>> if this was just a grumpy local tech misguidedly trying to fix a problem
by
>> threatening you?
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 09:27 Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Jim beat me to it. I was also going to urge you to transmit as much as
>>> possible on 20 meters with the highest power you can. The idea is to
become
>>> a hair ball that Xfinity can't swallow nor can't cough back up.
>>>
>>> If anybody comes up to you to complain that you're still causing
outages,
>>> use the same twisted logic that Xfinity used and tell them, "That's
>>> impossible. It couldn't be me because Xfinity has already disconnected
me."
>>>
>>> Al W6LX/4
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> and 3) operate at you highest practical power
>>>>>> level as often as possible.
>>>
>>>>>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 11:45:12 -0400
From: Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net>
To: pubx1 at af2z.net
Cc: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM
ANTENNAS
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Yeah, but they may only be satisfied if all the antennas are gone, and
that's not practical.
On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 11:44 Drew AF2Z <pubx1 at af2z.net> wrote:
> I would take the easiest way: tell them whatever BS they need to hear to
> be satisfied; then operate however you like without restriction. Dump
> Comcast at the soonest opportunity.
>
> I would not waste my time with lawyers, letters, phone calls,
> explanations, etc. As Mark Twain said: Never argue with an idiot; they
> will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. This is
> similar to dealing with corporate bureaucracy.
>
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
>
>
>
> On 10/21/21 10:31, Hank via Elecraft wrote:
> > Good advice - don?t be unprofessional just because a rogue technician
is.
> >
> > Hank
> > K4HYJ
> >
> >> On Oct 21, 2021, at 9:36 AM, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?But remember, you're required to use the lowest power level
feasible...
> >>
> >> ...so time to try for some really challenging DX, and keep your logs!
> >>
> >> Seriously though, did you find out if they're actually kicking you off
> or
> >> if this was just a grumpy local tech misguidedly trying to fix a
> problem by
> >> threatening you?
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> Julie
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 09:27 Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Jim beat me to it. I was also going to urge you to transmit as much as
> >>> possible on 20 meters with the highest power you can. The idea is to
> become
> >>> a hair ball that Xfinity can't swallow nor can't cough back up.
> >>>
> >>> If anybody comes up to you to complain that you're still causing
> outages,
> >>> use the same twisted logic that Xfinity used and tell them, "That's
> >>> impossible. It couldn't be me because Xfinity has already disconnected
> me."
> >>>
> >>> Al W6LX/4
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> and 3) operate at you highest practical power
> >>>>>> level as often as possible.
> >>>
> >>>>>> 73, Jim K9YC
> >>>
> >>> ______________________________________________________________
> >>> Elecraft mailing list
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 20:31:43 -0400
From: Gwen Patton <ardrhi at gmail.com>
To: Steve Stutman <radiorobots at gmail.com>
Cc: Elecraft <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Suggestion re dealing with Xfinity and similar
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The bulk of consumer electronics, like wi-fi routers, is covered under Part
15, and it is therefore the responsibility of the operator of the Part 15
gear to deal with interference issues, NOT a neighborhood ham. Hams are not
responsible for interference to Part 15 gear. In fact, Part 15 gear has the
following information on it, usually on a sticker (emphasis mine):
This device complies with part 15 of the FCC Rules. Operation is subject to
> the following two conditions: (1) This device may not cause harmful
> interference, and *(2) this device must accept any interference received,
> including interference that may cause undesired operation.*
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
73,
Gwen, NG3P
On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 8:20 PM Steve Stutman <radiorobots at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> When needing to get a result from anything publicly regulated, consider
> using something other than the interwebs or 800 number.
>
> K6MR points in the right direction.
>
> Specifically:
>
> Write a certified letter, return receipt requested, to the CEO or
president
> of the involved entity and cc: via the same method to head of your Public
> Utilities Commission, or whatever you have in 6, as suggested by Ken.
>
> State your case and surrounding events clearly, much as you have done here
> on the list.
>
> Point out that you are a licensed operator of a Federally licensed radio
> station.
>
> It may say Amateur, but it is still Federally regulated and you have
> rights.
>
> You might state your degree of willingness to work with them to solve
their
> problems at no cost; I know of a couple of instances in which people were
> intimidated and apologetically bent over backwards twice and of one case
in
> which the op told them to pound sand and threatened to identify their
> technical incompetence to the media.
>
> First two people got some results over the course of weeks, the third
> person got action in two hours.
>
> One presumes that there is some technical competence somewhere in the
> company, but obviously not so with the representatives coming to your
door.
>
> If, in fact, your station is causing any issues, the most likely cause is
> that they are using poorly designed, offshore manufactured equipment.
>
> The various type acceptances on a lot of gear are printed on a label, but
> not measured in a lab; hard to imagine.
>
>
> When I get on 20m here my "smoke and monoxide" detectors sound off. One of
> these days I'll run more than 100W, but one presumes it's just RF getting
> into poorly shielded gear.
>
> FWIW, these same detectors occasionally spontaneously sound off every year
> or two at O dark.
>
> Company has replaced six detectors three times; I wonder why?
>
>
> Over the years I have sent certified letters to utilities to deal with
> issues in a professional capacity as well as personally, i.e. stuff at the
> house.
>
> In most cases it will get you engaged with someone who is both
> knowledgeable and in authority.
>
> Certainly not someone who blames "an antenna" for second rate gear in a
> poorly designed system.
>
> Hope that you are able to get a good response and get your 'net back.
>
> 73,
>
> Steve
>
> KL7JT/1
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