From jimfinan at live.com  Fri Oct  1 09:15:26 2021
From: jimfinan at live.com (Jim Finan)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 13:15:26 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 kit tips?
In-Reply-To: <312d5101-2add-6584-4182-19c31480b21e@w3fpr.com>
References: <CAEVEBrP14ab4a0uH-qVsN=gvOrMBAsVkW5UVr5+73_6DWAODHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<312d5101-2add-6584-4182-19c31480b21e@w3fpr.com>
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Do a complete inventory of all parts before you begin. It isn?t unusual for a small piece or two to go astray.

Simply call Elecraft and they?ll send it to you. Though it may be a little slower than in the past with the challenges of late.

Most important- have fun!

Jim

Jim Finan
AB4AC

Jim Finan

jimfinan at live.com
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From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Don Wilhelm <don at w3fpr.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 4:37:00 PM
To: Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net>; Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PX3 kit tips?

Julie,

Just follow the instructions.  You will need a #1 Phillips screwdriver.
If you don't understand any procedure, ask here.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/30/2021 3:34 PM, Julia Tuttle wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I got jealous of the waterfall display on my girlfriend's IC-7300, so I got
> myself a PX3, and since the kit but not the factory version was in stock, I
> got the kit. (Normally I'd be *more* than happy to pay Elecraft the $20 to
> build it perfectly, but I'm impatient.)
>
> I've got the assembly instructions, and an anti-static wrist strap, and the
> aftermarket SideKX panels and cover, and the kit itself is arriving
> tomorrow.
>
> Does anyone have any assembly tips besides what's in the manual?
>
> Thanks and 73,
>
> Julie
>

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From rmcgraw at benlomand.net  Fri Oct  1 09:30:52 2021
From: rmcgraw at benlomand.net (Bob McGraw)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 08:30:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 - does it earth antenna connections
In-Reply-To: <mailman.133.1633094143.16655.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.133.1633094143.16655.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <36a6d298-0f2a-a877-95c1-2698a411e720@benlomand.net>

I would suggest a dummy load be connected to antenna port #1 and your 
antennas to #2 and #3.?? As to grounding, I suggest one review the ARRL 
book "Grounding and Bonding for the amateur station".

I've seen many ham stations that ground ground ground and still have 
issues, in some cases they attribute to a dangerous condition,? 
regarding lightning protection and RF grounding. There is a LOT of 
incorrect and incomplete information passed around with regard to 
grounding.? It is mostly originated as? "old ham lore" with no 
scientific basis found or applied.

And yes, the KAT500 has 3 antenna ports and port #1 is the default 
selected when power is not applied.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 10/1/2021 8:15 AM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 10:10:49 -0500
> From: Ted Edwards W3TB<w3tb.ted at gmail.com>
> To: "David Ferrington, M0XDF"<M0XDF at alphadene.co.uk>
> Cc: ElecraftList<Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 - does it earth antenna connections
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAGhFmTiqzrwkAxv=TY6ZGaeO=-zuT+irKQ0N42LevtkLdAOh5Q at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Interesting idea.
> I have two antennas, so I could connect my ground to #1 and antennas to #2
> and #3?
> Just manually choose an antenna on start-up.   Hm-m-m-m-m.
>
> On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 9:54 AM David Ferrington, M0XDF <
> M0XDF at alphadene.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Greg - guess I should learn to count!
>> 73 de David, M0XDF
>>
>> If people knew how hard I worked to get my mastery, it wouldn't seem so
>> wonderful after all. -Michelangelo Buonarroti, sculptor, painter,
>> architect, and poet (1475-1564)
>>
>>> On 30 Sep 2021, at 15:46, Greg Mitchell<kb1awm at arrl.net>  wrote:
>>>
>>> It has 3 antenna connections, not 4. It grounds the unused ones and
>> selects antenna 1 on power-off. I put my dummy-load on antenna 1 so my
>> station is disconnected from the antennas when powered down.
>>> On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 10:40 AM David Ferrington, M0XDF <
>> M0XDF at alphadene.co.uk  <mailto:M0XDF at alphadene.co.uk>> wrote:
>>> Sorry if this is obvious, but I haven?t bought a KAT500 yet (to go with
>> the KPA500 I managed to pick up from a fellow ham). I?m aware there are 4
>> selectable antenna connectors. Does it ground or earth the ones not
>> currently selected?
>>> 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)
>>>
>>> For disappearing acts, it's hard to beat what happens to the eight hours
>> supposedly left after eight of sleep and eight of work.
>>> -Doug Larson
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From david at aslinvc.com  Fri Oct  1 10:11:10 2021
From: david at aslinvc.com (David Aslin G3WGN)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 14:11:10 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 - does it earth antenna connections
Message-ID: <LOYP265MB23981014AB517AA7D61F770CA7AB9@LOYP265MB2398.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

So if I have one antenna port which no longer seems to function (port 2) the GDT may be a good suspect?
Suggestions for troubleshooting invited
73, David G3WGN M6O WJ6O



Sent from my Galaxy


From pete.n4zr at gmail.com  Fri Oct  1 11:50:27 2021
From: pete.n4zr at gmail.com (Pete Smith N4ZR)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 11:50:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Last round of K3 upgrades
Message-ID: <fc82be18-0faf-09b2-15c9-f7835bdef094@gmail.com>

It's been more than a month since Elecraft's "last call" for these 
updates, but I haven't seen anything to suggest when they might be 
available. Anything from on high?

-- 
73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
web server at <http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.


From pe1hzg at xs4all.nl  Fri Oct  1 11:52:25 2021
From: pe1hzg at xs4all.nl (Geert Jan de Groot)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 17:52:25 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 kit tips?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.133.1633094143.16655.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.133.1633094143.16655.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <d1aec294-7cb3-b8f6-3562-3eea18b2c650@xs4all.nl>


> Just follow the instructions.? You will need a #1 Phillips screwdriver.

Are you sure that's Phillips? I use Pozidriv (PZ0) for Elecraft screws 
and find that is a much better fit.

(Either will work, but if you have one of those 100+ screw sets and have 
the choice - consider PZ over PH screwdrivers for electronics)

Yours for screws that are not stripped,

Geert Jan

From a.durbin at msn.com  Fri Oct  1 12:36:46 2021
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 16:36:46 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 - does it earth antenna connections
Message-ID: <SJ0PR16MB4032B6A3500117668D5174608CAB9@SJ0PR16MB4032.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"You don't need to manually choose an antenna on startup. It remembers what
was last used on each band (assuming you are using an Elecraft or Kenwood
rig with it). I think it will still remember the last used even in a dumb
situation without knowledge from the radio; it just needs the radio support
to have "per-band" memory."

No radio support is needed for antenna per-band memory.  All the KAT500 needs to know is the TX frequency.  It then decides which antenna to select based on "band" and the antenna preferences defined by the KAT500 PC Utility.

A weakness of this design is that, if only RF sensing is used for frequency determination, the KAT500 may fault due to a mismatched load before the appropriate antenna has been selected for the new band.

Antenna selection can be performed by serial command but, even though my controller is capable of that, I have seen no reason to replicate the antenna selection logic already built into the KAT500.   There is a caveat though -  the internal antenna selection logic doesn't work correctly when KAT500 is in BYP mode.  (The workaround for that defect is to never use BYP mode.  MAN mode with Byp active is electrically the same and antenna selection does work correctly in that configuration).

73,
Andy, k3wyc

From drh at dremy.com  Fri Oct  1 15:00:37 2021
From: drh at dremy.com (David Hourdequin)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 15:00:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with Q5Signal Transverter
Message-ID: <B804CADA-6D12-4653-B3D7-6B7E0B3B4685@dremy.com>

Anyone have experience using the K3 with the Q5 Signal Transverter.  I?m considering the purchase of their 50w model.?

Thanks so much for any ideas/suggestions, etc.

David, NS4V

David R. Hourdequin, PE
Specialty Engineering
Heavy Timber - Glulam
SIPs - CLT Engineering
P.O. Box 1399
Hayesville, NC. 28904
828-421-6216
drh at dremy.com






From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Oct  1 15:24:30 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 12:24:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] TVI and More
In-Reply-To: <2798710e-7010-342d-8624-f1a208182c03@kanafi.org>
References: <8C24958D-A9EB-4918-B697-B8AB0C74FF5A@comcast.net>
	<2798710e-7010-342d-8624-f1a208182c03@kanafi.org>
Message-ID: <4cc5a283-425b-2253-7a2c-14580faee646@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 9/22/2021 6:40 PM, Phil Kane wrote:
> I second what Jim Brown posted earlier.? It's a problem of front-end 
> overload and/or audio rectification within the affected devices, not of 
> the transmitter.

Yes, it's audio rectification, but I'll go to the mat about "front end 
overload" NOT being a primary cause of RFI (and I went to the mat with 
ARRL ten years ago and lost). Rather it's "the Pin One Problem," first 
noticed in the world of pro audio by a ham, the late Neil Muncy, 
ex-W3WJE. That's the failure to terminate cable shields to the shielding 
enclosure at the point of entry. EVERY rig I examined the last time I 
was at Dayton had Pin One Problems at their accessory connections. 
Nearly all computers, computer accessories, and consumer equipment has 
this manufacturing defect.

This is why proper bonding in our stations and ferrite chokes on wiring 
connected to victim equipment solve RFI problems.

73, Jim K9YC



From rlvz at aol.com  Fri Oct  1 15:50:59 2021
From: rlvz at aol.com (RVZ)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 19:50:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 problem
References: <1482682005.1113474.1633117859507.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1482682005.1113474.1633117859507@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Guys,
?My KPA-1500 is having an issue: with the internal ATU tuned "OFF" or in "ByPass" mode, when transmitting the KPA-1500's relays occassionally chatter like a machine gun while transmitting.? It sounds just like the relays do when the ATU is turned "ON" and it's tuning an antenna for minimum SWR.? Are there any KPA-1500 configuration settings that could cause this to occur even though the ATU is turned "OFF"?? Any ideas why this is happening??Thanks!? Dick- K9OM

From julia at juliatuttle.net  Fri Oct  1 19:11:27 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 19:11:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 kit tips?
In-Reply-To: <d1aec294-7cb3-b8f6-3562-3eea18b2c650@xs4all.nl>
References: <mailman.133.1633094143.16655.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<d1aec294-7cb3-b8f6-3562-3eea18b2c650@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrNMKMXff3vVwZZh7o2jveNHmmp1ZFkzRhrif1_sihp36w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

My PX3 is up and running! The manual was a delight to follow, and
everything went together swimmingly. Thanks for all the tips -- I had
everything small neatly laid out in an egg carton, and assembling this was
probably the most peaceful hour of my day.

Here is a lousy phone picture of the finished product:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/NsXTLNo2zZPcuM4p9

One question: I performed the sideband nulling procedure, and found that my
ideal phase values were similar to the factory ones, but that my ideal
amplitude values were consistently about 25 lower than the factory ones. Is
this indicative of an issue with my equipment, build, or calibration? Or is
it within the expected range of calibration values?

Thanks and 73,

Julie

On Fri, Oct 1, 2021, 11:53 Geert Jan de Groot <pe1hzg at xs4all.nl> wrote:

>
> > Just follow the instructions.? You will need a #1 Phillips screwdriver.
>
> Are you sure that's Phillips? I use Pozidriv (PZ0) for Elecraft screws
> and find that is a much better fit.
>
> (Either will work, but if you have one of those 100+ screw sets and have
> the choice - consider PZ over PH screwdrivers for electronics)
>
> Yours for screws that are not stripped,
>
> Geert Jan
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From elanzl at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct  1 20:18:21 2021
From: elanzl at sbcglobal.net (Eric Lanzl)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 00:18:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Net for Sunday September 26. 2021
References: <274371719.1031822.1633133901255.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <274371719.1031822.1633133901255@mail.yahoo.com>

Here is the list of stations checking in to the Sunday net for 9-26-2021. Thank you to the relay stations who always help pick up additional stations not heard by net control. 

SSB Nets on Sundays: We welcome everyone regardless of the type of radio they are using. Hope to see you on one or more nets. 
Eric WB9JNZ

20M net 14.303.5? 1800Z.40M net?? 7.280???? 1900ZZoom meeting Contact Carl K8NU for the link80M net??? 3.775???? 0100Z

Call????????? Name??? State????? Radio??? Serial #? QRP???????????????????????????? Notes

WB9JNZ????? Eric?????????? IL????????????? YaesuFT? dx101D????? ???????????????????????????????????? Net Control

N9SRA???????? Steve???????? IL????????????? K3S?????????? 10563???????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

NS7P??????????? Phil??????????? OR??????????? K3???????????? 1826?????????? ???????????????????????????????????? relayStation 

N6JW?????????? John????????? CA??????????? K3???????????? 936???????????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation 

NC0JW??????? Jim??????????? CO??????????? KX3????????? 1356?????????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

AE6JV???????? Bill??????????? NH??????????? K3???????????? 6299?????????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation 

KO5V????????? Jim??????????? NM?????????? K2/100????? 7225?????????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation 

K5PD?????????? Pete?????????? TX??????????? K3???????????? 545???????????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

K4TM????????? Cary????????? VA??????????? Icom??????? 7300?????????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

K6VWE?????? Stan?????????? MI???????????? K4???????????? 193???????????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

WM6P????????? Steve???????? GA??????????? K3S?????????? 11453???????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation 

KB9AVO???? Paul?????????? IN???????????? K4???????????? 76?????????????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

KJ6DKF?????? Seven??????? AZ??????????? KX3????????? 11390???????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

K7BRR??????? Bill??????????? AZ??????????? YaesuFT? DX101MP? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

K8NU????????? Carl?????????? OH??????????? YaesuFT? 101DX?????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

W4DML?????? Doug???????? TN??????????? K3???????????? 6433?????????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

W0WLA?????? Bill??????????? CO??????????? Yaesu?????? 891???????????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?
? N7YW?????? Ken???????? AZ??????????? K3????????? 8183??? ??????????? 

From 99sunset at gmail.com  Fri Oct  1 21:31:40 2021
From: 99sunset at gmail.com (Steve Hall)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 21:31:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Nets
Message-ID: <CALdUqNMB3atNQ3gcDELsOcFQNEy45Rk8buN4sc_J1DnU_mYUYA@mail.gmail.com>

Gordon, Thanks for the interest in the Elecraft nets.
Every Sunday
1800Z 14.303.5
1900Z 7.180
0100Z 3.775 (Sunday night US, Monday GMT)

Steve
WM6P 40 meter net control

From k6xk at ncn.net  Sat Oct  2 08:20:19 2021
From: k6xk at ncn.net (Roy)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 07:20:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 problem
In-Reply-To: <1482682005.1113474.1633117859507@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1482682005.1113474.1633117859507.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1482682005.1113474.1633117859507@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2af9fd68-e666-ad45-7495-1b9026c5fb48@ncn.net>

Dick, during such episodes, what is the SWR meter on the amp reading? 
Could amp be on the verge of protecting itself?

Roy? K6XK


> Hi Guys,
>  ?My KPA-1500 is having an issue: with the internal ATU tuned "OFF" or in "ByPass" mode, when transmitting the KPA-1500's relays occassionally chatter like a machine gun while transmitting.? It sounds just like the relays do when the ATU is turned "ON" and it's tuning an antenna for minimum SWR.? Are there any KPA-1500 configuration settings that could cause this to occur even though the ATU is turned "OFF"?? Any ideas why this is happening??Thanks!? Dick- K9OM
> ______________________________________________________________


From chrisc at chris.org  Sat Oct  2 12:04:41 2021
From: chrisc at chris.org (Chris Cox, N0UK)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 11:04:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Last round of K3 upgrades
In-Reply-To: <fc82be18-0faf-09b2-15c9-f7835bdef094@gmail.com>
References: <fc82be18-0faf-09b2-15c9-f7835bdef094@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47AB26D5-9EB6-4EE3-B975-1A9B70CE8396@chris.org>

I?ve heard nothing since sending in my order back in the early Spring.  Nothing either on the KX3 TxInhiibit VOX bug reported to Elecraft in August last year.

Chris Cox, N0UK
chrisc at chris.org



> On Oct 1, 2021, at 10:50, Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> It's been more than a month since Elecraft's "last call" for these updates, but I haven't seen anything to suggest when they might be available. Anything from on high?
> 
> -- 
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
> web server at <http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
> For spots, please use your favorite
> "retail" DX cluster.
> 
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From markmusick at outlook.com  Sat Oct  2 13:31:29 2021
From: markmusick at outlook.com (Mark Musick)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 17:31:29 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Last round of K3 upgrades
In-Reply-To: <47AB26D5-9EB6-4EE3-B975-1A9B70CE8396@chris.org>
References: <fc82be18-0faf-09b2-15c9-f7835bdef094@gmail.com>
	<47AB26D5-9EB6-4EE3-B975-1A9B70CE8396@chris.org>
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When I answered Pete I must have hit reply and not reply all.
As I told Pete I saw a reference to it being at least 12 weeks after they closed the on line order page.
We're not at 12 weeks and the at least part indicates it may be longer.

73,
Mark, WB9CIF

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From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Chris Cox, N0UK
Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2021 16:05
To: Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Last round of K3 upgrades

I've heard nothing since sending in my order back in the early Spring.  Nothing either on the KX3 TxInhiibit VOX bug reported to Elecraft in August last year.

Chris Cox, N0UK
chrisc at chris.org



> On Oct 1, 2021, at 10:50, Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> It's been more than a month since Elecraft's "last call" for these updates, but I haven't seen anything to suggest when they might be available. Anything from on high?
> 
> --
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From rlvz at aol.com  Sat Oct  2 15:20:39 2021
From: rlvz at aol.com (RVZ)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 19:20:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500  "Fault: Low Gain Ratio 2"
References: <432044127.180220.1633202439968.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <432044127.180220.1633202439968@mail.yahoo.com>

Looks like KPA-1500 #167 needs service.? Anyone know what "FAULT: Low Gain Ratio 2" means?? Perhaps a LDMOS kicked the bucket??73, Dick- K9OM

From n8sbe at arrl.net  Sat Oct  2 22:13:14 2021
From: n8sbe at arrl.net (Dave New)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 21:13:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: KAT-500
In-Reply-To: <20210927194629.Horde.wVcYqByP-c8sUmoesJBRoY3@www14.qth.com>
Message-ID: <20211002211314.Horde.9bd4J49ivBCBDjdg57ZCSc4@www14.qth.com>

Never mind. I just picked one up locally.

73,

-- Dave, N8SBE

Quoting Dave New <n8sbe at arrl.net>:

> Hi,
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> Looking for a KAT-500 to go with the KPA-500 I just purchased from  
> Carl, K8NU.
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Oct  3 00:17:29 2021
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevin)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 21:17:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <b0f69cd2-8c54-5777-b2a6-b22f0b61169d@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ? It has been cool and wet.? Today was the first sunny day all week.? I 
walked out on to my deck and startled a deer snoozing under it.? She 
burst out of the ferns and bounced like a pogo stick to the east.? A few 
minutes later I looked out of a window and saw her eating some bush.? 
Hunters drove by a few times but she stayed far from the road.

 ? The sun was active this week.? A number of sunspot groups along with 
glancing CMEs.? Solar flux had risen to 100, it is currently at 91 sfu.? 
The sun angle is changing so I expect 40 meters will change during the 
net.? Early is good.

 ?? It is getting easier to use single lever paddles.? The space between 
my thumb and fore finger is much less than with two paddles.? The more I 
relax the easier it becomes.? With practice I am not thinking about how 
to form a character as often.? Context switching between words and 
characters causes me sending problems.? Laughing affects spacing too; I 
use the CW decode mechanism on my K3 to check it.


Please join us on (or near):

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 ? 7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

 ?? 73,
 ????? Kevin. KD5ONS



-






She had that Camarillo brillo
Flamin' out along her head
I mean her Mendocino bean-o
By where some bugs had made it red

She ruled the Toads of the Short Forest
And every newt in Idaho
And every cricket who had chorused
By the bush in Buffalo

She said she was
A Magic Mama
And she could throw a mean Tarot
And carried on without a comma
That she was someone I should know


From hbjr at optilink.us  Sun Oct  3 19:28:16 2021
From: hbjr at optilink.us (hbjr at optilink.us)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 19:28:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KTCXO3-1 knock offs
Message-ID: <004301d7b8ae$578f2c20$06ad8460$@optilink.us>

Hey Folks?

I?ve posted here before with issues I?ve had with 2 factory Elecraft KTCXO3-1 crystals ? one I replaced and one the factory replaced.  The factory graciously sent me a new standard 5PPM crystal that works as designed ? it is a smidge better than the original factory crystal according to a 4 hour drift test using WSJT-X.

 

I had lots of offline conversations with guys wanting to know if the eBay 1PPM crystal was any good.  I asked that question here and got lots of input with some indicating it would introduce phase noise.  I have no way of measuring that that I know of ?

 

Someone offered to buy me the eBay knock-off to try it.  I went ahead and bought it just for fun.  I installed it today and calibrated it with an external GPSDO using the K3EXREF input.  It so far seems a bit better than my ?new 5PPM crystal doing the drift test for 3 hours.  The real difference I can see is on 2 meters SSB (I have the K144XV Ref Lock installed).  With the 5PPM crystal, I had to tune down just a bit for the other station to sound ?normal?.  With the eBay part it ?sounds? dead on.

 

One interesting thing to note for those interested in the eBay crystal, it has USA stamped on it in the corner.  I can?t quite make out the name brand ? something like Symmbi (sp??) and 49.380001 also stamped on it.  The crystal?s case looks like the original 5PPM part and not the flat square box like the KTCXO3-1.

 

Is it just a copy?  Is it an original US part tuned to the correct frequency?  It came from Hong Kong.

 

How can I test phase noise?  Someone live close to NW GA that would like to test it?

 

Thanks,

Hank


From a.durbin at msn.com  Sun Oct  3 20:21:43 2021
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 00:21:43 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KTCXO3-1 knock offs
Message-ID: <SJ0PR16MB403255D9210F11474463DCE48CAE9@SJ0PR16MB4032.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"How can I test phase noise?  Someone live close to NW GA that would like to test it?"

I ran a series of tests to evaluate various Kenwood TS-590S "TCXO".  I required nothing more complicated than a second TS-590S and a step attenuator.  My results for a single frequency offset showed good correlation with measurements made independently using more sophisticated test equipment.

The basic test method is simple.  Set up the TX with the oscillator under test transmitting to a dummy load.  Use a second receiver to sample the signal at the dummy load via a step attenuator.  Chose the test frequency offset. TX a CW test message and adjust the attenuator so the CW message is just audible in the RX noise.  Record the attenuator value. Repeat the test with different "TCXO" in the transmitter.  (My test was extended for different RX bandwidths and for receiver up and down conversion modes).

The results convinced me that I did not want a cheap Chinese "TCXO" in my TS-590S.

73,
Andy, k3wyc



From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Oct  3 23:04:11 2021
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevin)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 20:04:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <382a0a05-7965-42e2-4a3d-136e6cc6c48a@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ? Twenty meters had moderate to deep QSB with some noise.? Forty meters 
had less QSB with more noise.? Conditions did not vary as much as I had 
expected.? However, the time change is coming, which coincides with dusk 
hitting Oregon during the second net.


 ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

NO8V - John - MI

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K6XK - Roy - IA

K4JPN - Steve - GA

AB9V - Mike - IN


 ? On 7047.5 kHz at 0000z:

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K6PJV - Dale - CA



 ?? Until next week 73,

 ????? Kevin.? KD5ONS



-





And so she wandered
Through the door-way
Just like a shadow from the tomb
She said her stereo was four-way
An' I'd just love it in her room

Well, I was born
To have adventure
So I just followed up the steps
Right past her fuming incense stencher
To where she hung her castanets



From mikek4qu at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 09:06:52 2021
From: mikek4qu at gmail.com (Mike March)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 09:06:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Expert 1.3
Message-ID: <CA+Z=FC71h=yE_GX6cmM7uC1-LxGSP8xXMbkLCaR897-=tA8ycw@mail.gmail.com>

Considering pairing an Expert 1.3 amp with my K3.
Any experience with this amp?  Cabling issues, band tracking, etc.?
Thanks in advance.

Mike  K4QU

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From mail2robertwalker at me.com  Mon Oct  4 13:09:05 2021
From: mail2robertwalker at me.com (Rob Walker)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 18:09:05 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: KX3 lithium ion polymer internal battery
References: <4D4848A7-844A-403B-82CE-4D228E532091@me.com>
Message-ID: <47E6B8D8-0126-48E9-BF56-1CD1A3FDC8A5@me.com>


?I have made myself a 14.8v lithium ion polymer battery, with battery management system and audible alarm, that fits inside the KX3. 

Ideally I would like to leave it in the KX3 to charge and charge it by connecting a 15v (max 15.5v) PSU to the DC connector of the KX3.

If I connected my battery to pins 1 and 3 of the 10pin P3 connector would this battery power the KX3 and charge when connected to an external 15v PSU?. Without damaging the KX3 of course ?


Kind Regards,


Rob Walker



From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Mon Oct  4 16:15:02 2021
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Mon,  4 Oct 2021 16:15:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Expert 1.3
In-Reply-To: <CA+Z=FC71h=yE_GX6cmM7uC1-LxGSP8xXMbkLCaR897-=tA8ycw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-02B923BAB0654A1BB83F7E374FAF0B06@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

I have used an Expert 1.3K amp for several years with my 
upgraded K3. The short form is it works well. I got it when my 
wife won a $1000 off certificate. I knew this amp was a popular 
choice of many DXpeditions, and so worked well with the K3s they 
used and was reasonably reliable. When I got my amp, I also 
ordered a custom cable for the K3 which was delivered in the 
same shipment as the amp.

I am careful to not depend on the ALC to control exciter power, 
but instead set the output power on the K3 to the right level to 
get the output power I want from the amp. I believe this 
procedure will result in a cleaner signal.

I am thinking about replacing it with an Elecraft amp for two reasons:

   Full break in CW produces a lot of relay clicking. The 
Elecraft amps use
   PIN diodes.

   The level of integration between the exciter (K3) and the amp 
is much
   better. I can have my K3 operate at 100W when the amp is 
offline and at
   whatever drives the amp to the right power level when the amp 
is online
   with automatic switching.

Cheers - Bill, AE6jV


On 10/4/21 at 9:06 AM, mikek4qu at gmail.com (Mike March) wrote:

>Considering pairing an Expert 1.3 amp with my K3.
>Any experience with this amp?  Cabling issues, band tracking, etc.?
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Mike  K4QU
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From 99sunset at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 17:35:21 2021
From: 99sunset at gmail.com (Steve Hall)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 17:35:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 40 meter SSB net 10-3
Message-ID: <CALdUqNMTwG1N+LpmZBGcaFOoDewucYSWfK0cK_-2x7vb6c-u6w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to all participating and those acting as relay stations.
It has been reported that K4 serial number 317 has been received.

WM6P STEVE GA K3S NETCONTROL
KV8Z CHRIS OH FT991A
WB9JNZ ERIC IL FTDX101
NS4V DAVID NC K3
K8NU CARL OH FTDX101
NX8B JOHN IN FTDX3000
WY3T TIM FL K3S
KC4BLL TONY FL TS520
K6VWE STAN MI K4
N8SBE DAVE MI K3S
AE6JV BILL NH K3
W3SA JOHN NC TS890
NC0JW JIM CO KX3
WB8HRO TIM MI FT450D
W4DML DOUG TN K3
W9EJB ED IN K3
KE4IFI/M PHIL SC
KC0EMO KEVIN IA KX2
WA4BAN RICK NC

From k6dgwnv at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 18:12:34 2021
From: k6dgwnv at gmail.com (Skip Jensen)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 15:12:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: KX3 lithium ion polymer internal battery
In-Reply-To: <47E6B8D8-0126-48E9-BF56-1CD1A3FDC8A5@me.com>
References: <4D4848A7-844A-403B-82CE-4D228E532091@me.com>
	<47E6B8D8-0126-48E9-BF56-1CD1A3FDC8A5@me.com>
Message-ID: <e983d414-500b-2c5a-632a-7a61b3851b31@gmail.com>

I would put an LiPoly inside one of my radios right after it has been 
reliably determined that hell has frozen over.? I used one for my KX1, 
external on a pigtail.? I got it at the RC store, about the size of a 
small matchbox.? I was in the Spartan Sprint one summer evening on the 
deck, and it burst into flames while I was sending.? Yanked the pigtail 
loose and tossed it down onto a gravel driveway where it fizzed and 
popped with flames for about 5 minutes.? I have a friend whose LiPoly in 
his RC airplane did the same thing.? Sadly, all he could do is watch the 
airplane go into a tight spin and "make uncontrolled contact with the 
ground." [1]

LiFePO4 batteries are very stable.? LiPoly ... not so much.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

[1] A phrase often used in USAF A/C accident reports.? See also NASA -- 
"anomaly" which can be anything from a burned out light bulb to the 
rocket landing pointy end down somewhere in the desert

On 10/4/2021 10:09 AM, Rob Walker via Elecraft wrote:
> ?I have made myself a 14.8v lithium ion polymer battery, with battery management system and audible alarm, that fits inside the KX3.
>
> Ideally I would like to leave it in the KX3 to charge and charge it by connecting a 15v (max 15.5v) PSU to the DC connector of the KX3.
>
> If I connected my battery to pins 1 and 3 of the 10pin P3 connector would this battery power the KX3 and charge when connected to an external 15v PSU?. Without damaging the KX3 of course ?
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
> Rob Walker
>



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From jerry at tr2.com  Mon Oct  4 19:08:05 2021
From: jerry at tr2.com (jerry)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2021 16:08:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: KX3 lithium ion polymer internal battery
In-Reply-To: <e983d414-500b-2c5a-632a-7a61b3851b31@gmail.com>
References: <4D4848A7-844A-403B-82CE-4D228E532091@me.com>
	<47E6B8D8-0126-48E9-BF56-1CD1A3FDC8A5@me.com>
	<e983d414-500b-2c5a-632a-7a61b3851b31@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3205609e31504e41bb6abc9c8146884d@tr2.com>

On 2021-10-04 15:12, Skip Jensen wrote:
> I would put an LiPoly inside one of my radios right after it has been
> reliably determined that hell has frozen over.

*** How about Lithium Ion - the round cells?  I have been playing with
18650 cells a bit - made up a pack for an ebike.  Have gotten set up to
weld the tabs.

                - Jerry KF6VB



? I used one for my KX1,
> external on a pigtail.? I got it at the RC store, about the size of a
> small matchbox.? I was in the Spartan Sprint one summer evening on the
> deck, and it burst into flames while I was sending.? Yanked the
> pigtail loose and tossed it down onto a gravel driveway where it
> fizzed and popped with flames for about 5 minutes.? I have a friend
> whose LiPoly in his RC airplane did the same thing.? Sadly, all he
> could do is watch the airplane go into a tight spin and "make
> uncontrolled contact with the ground." [1]
> 
> LiFePO4 batteries are very stable.? LiPoly ... not so much.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
> [1] A phrase often used in USAF A/C accident reports.? See also NASA
> -- "anomaly" which can be anything from a burned out light bulb to the
> rocket landing pointy end down somewhere in the desert
> 
> On 10/4/2021 10:09 AM, Rob Walker via Elecraft wrote:
>> ?I have made myself a 14.8v lithium ion polymer battery, with battery 
>> management system and audible alarm, that fits inside the KX3.
>> 
>> Ideally I would like to leave it in the KX3 to charge and charge it by 
>> connecting a 15v (max 15.5v) PSU to the DC connector of the KX3.
>> 
>> If I connected my battery to pins 1 and 3 of the 10pin P3 connector 
>> would this battery power the KX3 and charge when connected to an 
>> external 15v PSU?. Without damaging the KX3 of course ?
>> 
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> 
>> 
>> Rob Walker
>> 

From backhoeken at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  4 19:17:13 2021
From: backhoeken at yahoo.com (Ken B)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 23:17:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: KX3 lithium ion polymer internal battery
In-Reply-To: <3205609e31504e41bb6abc9c8146884d@tr2.com>
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Well you have not been to Hell Michigan.? I can 100% confirm it freezes over yearly?

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 7:10 PM, jerry<jerry at tr2.com> wrote:   On 2021-10-04 15:12, Skip Jensen wrote:
> I would put an LiPoly inside one of my radios right after it has been
> reliably determined that hell has frozen over.

*** How about Lithium Ion - the round cells?? I have been playing with
18650 cells a bit - made up a pack for an ebike.? Have gotten set up to
weld the tabs.

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? - Jerry KF6VB



? I used one for my KX1,
> external on a pigtail.? I got it at the RC store, about the size of a
> small matchbox.? I was in the Spartan Sprint one summer evening on the
> deck, and it burst into flames while I was sending.? Yanked the
> pigtail loose and tossed it down onto a gravel driveway where it
> fizzed and popped with flames for about 5 minutes.? I have a friend
> whose LiPoly in his RC airplane did the same thing.? Sadly, all he
> could do is watch the airplane go into a tight spin and "make
> uncontrolled contact with the ground." [1]
> 
> LiFePO4 batteries are very stable.? LiPoly ... not so much.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
> [1] A phrase often used in USAF A/C accident reports.? See also NASA
> -- "anomaly" which can be anything from a burned out light bulb to the
> rocket landing pointy end down somewhere in the desert
> 
> On 10/4/2021 10:09 AM, Rob Walker via Elecraft wrote:
>> ?I have made myself a 14.8v lithium ion polymer battery, with battery 
>> management system and audible alarm, that fits inside the KX3.
>> 
>> Ideally I would like to leave it in the KX3 to charge and charge it by 
>> connecting a 15v (max 15.5v) PSU to the DC connector of the KX3.
>> 
>> If I connected my battery to pins 1 and 3 of the 10pin P3 connector 
>> would this battery power the KX3 and charge when connected to an 
>> external 15v PSU?. Without damaging the KX3 of course ?
>> 
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> 
>> 
>> Rob Walker
>> 
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From k6dgwnv at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 19:53:17 2021
From: k6dgwnv at gmail.com (Skip Jensen)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 16:53:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: KX3 lithium ion polymer internal battery
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	<2114344762.1819343.1633389433738@mail.yahoo.com>
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No, I have not been to Hell MI, although I did do a year remote in the 
northern interior of AK at the Arctic Circle while in the Air Force.? 
Froze there from early Oct to early May.? Had 11 days below -65F ... 
when it finally warmed up to -30F, it felt like field jacket wx rather 
than parkas.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 10/4/2021 4:17 PM, Ken B wrote:
> Well you have not been to Hell Michigan.? I can 100% confirm it 
> freezes over yearly
>
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From backhoeken at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  4 20:16:23 2021
From: backhoeken at yahoo.com (Ken B)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 00:16:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: KX3 lithium ion polymer internal battery
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No thanks.??Far worse than Hell MI.? ??

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  On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 7:53 PM, Skip Jensen<k6dgwnv at gmail.com> wrote:    No, I have not been to Hell MI, although I did do a year remote in the northern interior of AK at the Arctic Circle while in the Air Force.? Froze there from early Oct to early May.? Had 11 days below -65F ... when it finally warmed up to -30F, it felt like field jacket wx rather than parkas.
 
 73,
 
 Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
 Sparks NV DM09dn
 Washoe County
 
 On 10/4/2021 4:17 PM, Ken B wrote:
  
 
 Well you have not been to Hell Michigan.? I can 100% confirm it freezes over yearly?
 
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From k6sdw.usa at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 23:14:45 2021
From: k6sdw.usa at gmail.com (Eddy - k6sdw)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 20:14:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 charger question
Message-ID: <CAFjeueqAkDgTbsGYdFW_0WSz9BmCDiXgy0WMmP+WQXWEOotdtw@mail.gmail.com>

 I have a KX3 with the KXBC3 Nimh charger and Nimh batteries installed. My
question is: What's the current drain on the NICADS when I store the KX3
for long periods of time? The KX3 is primarily used for portable operation
and when I put the KX3 on the bench the batteries are dead needing
recharging. I wonder if I should pull on AA battery out during storage?

Many thanks

GL/73

Ed/k6sdw

From g4jdo at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  5 03:07:58 2021
From: g4jdo at hotmail.com (Robin Tew)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 07:07:58 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft]  KPA100/KAT100 EC2 Combo to ICOM 705
Message-ID: <VE1PR10MB3375D9A568FD856CA85D04E3FDAF9@VE1PR10MB3375.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>


Hi All

Many thanks for the replies.
I guess it's back to the drawing board, was hoping for the magic bullet ?.

Many thanks
Robin G4JDO




From goldtr8 at charter.net  Tue Oct  5 06:49:12 2021
From: goldtr8 at charter.net (KD8NNU  Don)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 06:49:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: KX3 lithium ion polymer internal battery
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References: <4D4848A7-844A-403B-82CE-4D228E532091@me.com><47E6B8D8-0126-48E9-BF56-1CD1A3FDC8A5@me.com><e983d414-500b-2c5a-632a-7a61b3851b31@gmail.com><3205609e31504e41bb6abc9c8146884d@tr2.com><2114344762.1819343.1633389433738@mail.yahoo.com><cc90e88c-99fd-a239-efe0-b028a8943f13@gmail.com>
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I live 5 miles as a crow flies from downtown Hell MI.   Yes it freezes over.

KD8NNU
Don

-----Original Message----- 
From: Ken B via Elecraft
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 8:16 PM
To: k6dgwnv at gmail.com ; jerry at tr2.com
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: KX3 lithium ion polymer internal battery

No thanks.  Far worse than Hell MI.

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  On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 7:53 PM, Skip Jensen<k6dgwnv at gmail.com> wrote: 
No, I have not been to Hell MI, although I did do a year remote in the 
northern interior of AK at the Arctic Circle while in the Air Force.  Froze 
there from early Oct to early May.  Had 11 days below -65F ... when it 
finally warmed up to -30F, it felt like field jacket wx rather than parkas.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 10/4/2021 4:17 PM, Ken B wrote:


Well you have not been to Hell Michigan.  I can 100% confirm it freezes over 
yearly

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From ardrhi at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 00:25:20 2021
From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 00:25:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 charger question
In-Reply-To: <CAFjeueqAkDgTbsGYdFW_0WSz9BmCDiXgy0WMmP+WQXWEOotdtw@mail.gmail.com>
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Docs call for Nickel Metal Hydride batteries, not Nickel Cadmium. I don't
think the internal charger is designed for NICAD batteries. Unless you're
using a separate charger?

73,
Gwen, NG3P

On Mon, Oct 4, 2021, 11:16 PM Eddy - k6sdw <k6sdw.usa at gmail.com> wrote:

>  I have a KX3 with the KXBC3 Nimh charger and Nimh batteries installed. My
> question is: What's the current drain on the NICADS when I store the KX3
> for long periods of time? The KX3 is primarily used for portable operation
> and when I put the KX3 on the bench the batteries are dead needing
> recharging. I wonder if I should pull on AA battery out during storage?
>
> Many thanks
>
> GL/73
>
> Ed/k6sdw
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Tue Oct  5 11:44:47 2021
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 08:44:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 charger question
In-Reply-To: <CA+nQa2O7NwbUgGU4NY_Qtd_v4Rm5CUQx4crdPTqRsFu5j5BggA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CA+nQa2O7NwbUgGU4NY_Qtd_v4Rm5CUQx4crdPTqRsFu5j5BggA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3365DA13-72BF-4195-B779-B75C4AF81B86@wunderwood.org>

From the instructions:

"Only a few microamperes of current are required to keep the clock running when the KX3 is off. This is supplied by either the external power supply or the internal batteries.?

https://ftp.elecraft.com/KX3/Manuals%20Downloads/E740167%20Elecraft%20KXBC3%20Installation%20and%20Operation%20Rev%20B1.pdf <https://ftp.elecraft.com/KX3/Manuals%20Downloads/E740167%20Elecraft%20KXBC3%20Installation%20and%20Operation%20Rev%20B1.pdf>

The self-discharge of NiMH batteries will probably be higher than the clock current.

What kind of batteries? Eneloop Pro batteries are low self-discharge, with 85% of charge after one year of storage. High-capacity NiMH batteries (often 2700 mAh or higher) can have higher self-discharge rates. 

wunder
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> On Oct 4, 2021, at 9:25 PM, Gwen Patton <ardrhi at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Docs call for Nickel Metal Hydride batteries, not Nickel Cadmium. I don't
> think the internal charger is designed for NICAD batteries. Unless you're
> using a separate charger?
> 
> 73,
> Gwen, NG3P
> 
> On Mon, Oct 4, 2021, 11:16 PM Eddy - k6sdw <k6sdw.usa at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I have a KX3 with the KXBC3 Nimh charger and Nimh batteries installed. My
>> question is: What's the current drain on the NICADS when I store the KX3
>> for long periods of time? The KX3 is primarily used for portable operation
>> and when I put the KX3 on the bench the batteries are dead needing
>> recharging. I wonder if I should pull on AA battery out during storage?
>> 
>> Many thanks
>> 
>> GL/73
>> 
>> Ed/k6sdw
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From don at w3fpr.com  Tue Oct  5 14:08:21 2021
From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 14:08:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 charger question
In-Reply-To: <CAFjeueqAkDgTbsGYdFW_0WSz9BmCDiXgy0WMmP+WQXWEOotdtw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFjeueqAkDgTbsGYdFW_0WSz9BmCDiXgy0WMmP+WQXWEOotdtw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37c135c0-2df4-b728-3043-eb9c0b7d5d7a@w3fpr.com>

Eddy,

The most likely answer is that your batteries are self discharging.? 
NiMH batteries will do that, although there are low self discharge 
batteries available that you should look into.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/4/2021 11:14 PM, Eddy - k6sdw wrote:
>   I have a KX3 with the KXBC3 Nimh charger and Nimh batteries installed. My
> question is: What's the current drain on the NICADS when I store the KX3
> for long periods of time? The KX3 is primarily used for portable operation
> and when I put the KX3 on the bench the batteries are dead needing
> recharging. I wonder if I should pull on AA battery out during storage?
>
>


From elanzl at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct  5 14:23:39 2021
From: elanzl at sbcglobal.net (Eric Lanzl)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 18:23:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Net for Sunday 10-3-2021
References: <1756033003.2130369.1633458219772.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1756033003.2130369.1633458219772@mail.yahoo.com>

I am re submitting the log for last Sunday as it seems my computer left off some stations. Here is the revised list:
Eric WB9JNZ


WB9JNZ????? Eric?????????? IL????????????? YaesuFT? DX101D??? ???????????????????????????????????? Net Control

NC0JW??????? Jim??????????? CO??????????? KX3????????? 1356?????????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation 

AE6JV???????? Bill??????????? NH??????????? K3???????????? 6299?????????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

N6JW?????????? John????????? CA??????????? K3???????????? 936???????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

N6PGQ??????? Bob?????????? CA??????????? K3???????????? 5891?????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

W1NGA?????? Al????????????? CO??????????? KX2????????? 2002?????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

AB7CE???????? Roy?????????? MT??????????? K2/100????? 40?????????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

KO5V????????? Jim??????????? NM?????????? K2/100????? 7225?????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

AL5M????????? DAVE?????? TX??????????? KX3????????? 1195?????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

NS7P??????????? Phil??????????? OR??????????? K3???????????? 1826?????????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

WM6P????????? Steve???????? GA??????????? K3S?????????? 11453???????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

K9QJS????????? Hoop???????? WA?????????? K3/ KX3? 6884 / 7952???????????????????????????????????? ? 

NS4V?????????? David ?????? NC??????????? K3???????????? 3564?????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

KC0EMO???? Kevin??????? IA???????????? K3???????????? 561???????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

W4DML?????? Doug???????? TN??????????? K3???????????? 6433?????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K8NU????????? Carl?????????? OH??????????? YaesuFT? 101DX?????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K7JG??????????? John????????? WA?????????? KX3????????? 3519?????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K7BRR??????? Bill??????????? AZ??????????? YaesuFT? DX 101????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

N4NRW?????? Roger??????? SC???????????? K3???????????? 1318?????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

W9EJB???????? Ed???????????? IN???????????? K3???????????? 1593?????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

W5TN????????? Dave???????? TX??????????? Collins???? KWM 2 ???? 30L1???????????????????????????? 

K6VWE?????? Stan?????????? MI???????????? K4???????????? 193???????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

N8SBE???????? Dave???????? MI???????????? K3S?????????? 11361???????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

ZL1PWD????? Peter????????? NZ??????????? K3???????????? 139???????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

From ardrhi at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 12:29:03 2021
From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 12:29:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 charger question
In-Reply-To: <165242388.2238802.1633449493269@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAFjeueqAkDgTbsGYdFW_0WSz9BmCDiXgy0WMmP+WQXWEOotdtw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+nQa2O7NwbUgGU4NY_Qtd_v4Rm5CUQx4crdPTqRsFu5j5BggA@mail.gmail.com>
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Ah, sorry about that, I saw the all caps and that pulled my attention from
the lower case nimh.

I used to keep Eneloop Pro NIMH batteries in my KX3, until I had a problem
updating the firmware. It got into a stuck condition where the radio
wouldn't allow another firmware upload unless the power was totally
disconnected for a short period of time. It kept automatically switching to
batteries, not allowing the error condition to clear.

I solved it by removing the batteries. I have good external battery power,
and I usually leave it on external power. I think those Eneloops are in my
electric saxophone now.

73,
Gwen, NG3P

On Tue, Oct 5, 2021, 11:58 AM Raymond Sills <raysills3 at verizon.net> wrote:

> I think he made a typo... he said in the first sentence that he had NiMH
> cells installed.  But, maybe he meant Nicad.  As usual, we all need to read
> the fine manual.
>
> I recall Wayne mentioning that NiMH cells can tolerate a long recharge
> setting, so you don't have to worry about overcharging them.  I use Eneloop
> cells, and they work just fine.
>
> 73 de Ray
> K2ULR
> KX3 #211
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gwen Patton <ardrhi at gmail.com>
> To: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Tue, Oct 5, 2021 12:25 am
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 charger question
>
> Docs call for Nickel Metal Hydride batteries, not Nickel Cadmium. I don't
> think the internal charger is designed for NICAD batteries. Unless you're
> using a separate charger?
>
> 73,
> Gwen, NG3P
>
> On Mon, Oct 4, 2021, 11:16 PM Eddy - k6sdw <k6sdw.usa at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >  I have a KX3 with the KXBC3 Nimh charger and Nimh batteries installed.
> My
> > question is: What's the current drain on the NICADS when I store the KX3
> > for long periods of time? The KX3 is primarily used for portable
> operation
> > and when I put the KX3 on the bench the batteries are dead needing
> > recharging. I wonder if I should pull on AA battery out during storage?
> >
> > Many thanks
> >
> > GL/73
> >
> > Ed/k6sdw
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From jerry at tr2.com  Tue Oct  5 16:21:58 2021
From: jerry at tr2.com (jerry)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2021 13:21:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 charger question
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References: <CAFjeueqAkDgTbsGYdFW_0WSz9BmCDiXgy0WMmP+WQXWEOotdtw@mail.gmail.com>
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I have a related questions about batteries discharging... Not really 
about ham radio, all please feel free
to delete...

   We have a *lot* of smoke detectors.  They are the kind that runs off 
the AC, but each one has a backup
battery.  The other day, one started beeping...and beeping...and 
beeping.  That momentary beep that says
"change my battery!".

  Amazon couldn't get me batteries the same day.  And the beeping makes 
it hard to sleep.  So I went to the garage
  and got one of a set of rechargeable lithium 9V
rectangulars that I had bought for test equipment - DMMs and such.

   The old battery in the smoke detector was 7.88V.  The lithium - 9.4.  
Installed it...and no beeps!

   It's tempting to just load all the detectors with lithiums.  The 
alkalines last a couple years.  Maybe a fully-charged
lithium would last as long... and then you recharge it?  If so, they'd 
be a good deal.  If OTOH they only last a couple months,
that's NOT a good deal, because I'd have to get out the ladder etc every 
time.

               ??
                    - Jerry KF6VB




On 2021-10-05 11:08, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Eddy,
> 
> The most likely answer is that your batteries are self discharging.?
> NiMH batteries will do that, although there are low self discharge
> batteries available that you should look into.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 10/4/2021 11:14 PM, Eddy - k6sdw wrote:
>>   I have a KX3 with the KXBC3 Nimh charger and Nimh batteries 
>> installed. My
>> question is: What's the current drain on the NICADS when I store the 
>> KX3
>> for long periods of time? The KX3 is primarily used for portable 
>> operation
>> and when I put the KX3 on the bench the batteries are dead needing
>> recharging. I wonder if I should pull on AA battery out during 
>> storage?
>> 
>> 
> 
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From julia at juliatuttle.net  Tue Oct  5 17:05:54 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 17:05:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 charger question
In-Reply-To: <4fb487e872f12eea8596fe5fc11a1c8f@tr2.com>
References: <CAFjeueqAkDgTbsGYdFW_0WSz9BmCDiXgy0WMmP+WQXWEOotdtw@mail.gmail.com>
	<37c135c0-2df4-b728-3043-eb9c0b7d5d7a@w3fpr.com>
	<4fb487e872f12eea8596fe5fc11a1c8f@tr2.com>
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrNhJ5NFEj=u6C7K+0E_W1vxdKN7yYG4wPRdLd5nDwfmtA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm using Energizer Ultimate Lithium batteries in my smoke detectors and so
far they seem to last a long time.

One risk is that their discharge curve is higher and flatter than alkaline
and then drops precipitously at the end of their lifetime. Fortunately
yours are hard-wired, so they should still be able to warn you.

I'd say just try it and see how long it lasts -- surely batteries vary in
shelf life and detectors vary in current draw.

73,

Julie

On Tue, Oct 5, 2021, 16:22 jerry <jerry at tr2.com> wrote:

> I have a related questions about batteries discharging... Not really
> about ham radio, all please feel free
> to delete...
>
>    We have a *lot* of smoke detectors.  They are the kind that runs off
> the AC, but each one has a backup
> battery.  The other day, one started beeping...and beeping...and
> beeping.  That momentary beep that says
> "change my battery!".
>
>   Amazon couldn't get me batteries the same day.  And the beeping makes
> it hard to sleep.  So I went to the garage
>   and got one of a set of rechargeable lithium 9V
> rectangulars that I had bought for test equipment - DMMs and such.
>
>    The old battery in the smoke detector was 7.88V.  The lithium - 9.4.
> Installed it...and no beeps!
>
>    It's tempting to just load all the detectors with lithiums.  The
> alkalines last a couple years.  Maybe a fully-charged
> lithium would last as long... and then you recharge it?  If so, they'd
> be a good deal.  If OTOH they only last a couple months,
> that's NOT a good deal, because I'd have to get out the ladder etc every
> time.
>
>                ??
>                     - Jerry KF6VB
>
>
>
>
> On 2021-10-05 11:08, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> > Eddy,
> >
> > The most likely answer is that your batteries are self discharging.
> > NiMH batteries will do that, although there are low self discharge
> > batteries available that you should look into.
> >
> > 73,
> > Don W3FPR
> >
> > On 10/4/2021 11:14 PM, Eddy - k6sdw wrote:
> >>   I have a KX3 with the KXBC3 Nimh charger and Nimh batteries
> >> installed. My
> >> question is: What's the current drain on the NICADS when I store the
> >> KX3
> >> for long periods of time? The KX3 is primarily used for portable
> >> operation
> >> and when I put the KX3 on the bench the batteries are dead needing
> >> recharging. I wonder if I should pull on AA battery out during
> >> storage?
> >>
> >>
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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From ai4ns.mike at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 17:33:49 2021
From: ai4ns.mike at gmail.com (Mike Short)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 16:33:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 charger question
In-Reply-To: <CAEVEBrNhJ5NFEj=u6C7K+0E_W1vxdKN7yYG4wPRdLd5nDwfmtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFjeueqAkDgTbsGYdFW_0WSz9BmCDiXgy0WMmP+WQXWEOotdtw@mail.gmail.com>
	<37c135c0-2df4-b728-3043-eb9c0b7d5d7a@w3fpr.com>
	<4fb487e872f12eea8596fe5fc11a1c8f@tr2.com>
	<CAEVEBrNhJ5NFEj=u6C7K+0E_W1vxdKN7yYG4wPRdLd5nDwfmtA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAL7rsnE_8oY1uQ=mDag1W5H1uAV4MpCkAJ6frazpdYcT6pKvEg@mail.gmail.com>

Get regular 9v batteries and change them when you set your clocks to/from
daylight savings time

On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 16:07 Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:

> I'm using Energizer Ultimate Lithium batteries in my smoke detectors and so
> far they seem to last a long time.
>
> One risk is that their discharge curve is higher and flatter than alkaline
> and then drops precipitously at the end of their lifetime. Fortunately
> yours are hard-wired, so they should still be able to warn you.
>
> I'd say just try it and see how long it lasts -- surely batteries vary in
> shelf life and detectors vary in current draw.
>
> 73,
>
> Julie
>
> On Tue, Oct 5, 2021, 16:22 jerry <jerry at tr2.com> wrote:
>
> > I have a related questions about batteries discharging... Not really
> > about ham radio, all please feel free
> > to delete...
> >
> >    We have a *lot* of smoke detectors.  They are the kind that runs off
> > the AC, but each one has a backup
> > battery.  The other day, one started beeping...and beeping...and
> > beeping.  That momentary beep that says
> > "change my battery!".
> >
> >   Amazon couldn't get me batteries the same day.  And the beeping makes
> > it hard to sleep.  So I went to the garage
> >   and got one of a set of rechargeable lithium 9V
> > rectangulars that I had bought for test equipment - DMMs and such.
> >
> >    The old battery in the smoke detector was 7.88V.  The lithium - 9.4.
> > Installed it...and no beeps!
> >
> >    It's tempting to just load all the detectors with lithiums.  The
> > alkalines last a couple years.  Maybe a fully-charged
> > lithium would last as long... and then you recharge it?  If so, they'd
> > be a good deal.  If OTOH they only last a couple months,
> > that's NOT a good deal, because I'd have to get out the ladder etc every
> > time.
> >
> >                ??
> >                     - Jerry KF6VB
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2021-10-05 11:08, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> > > Eddy,
> > >
> > > The most likely answer is that your batteries are self discharging.
> > > NiMH batteries will do that, although there are low self discharge
> > > batteries available that you should look into.
> > >
> > > 73,
> > > Don W3FPR
> > >
> > > On 10/4/2021 11:14 PM, Eddy - k6sdw wrote:
> > >>   I have a KX3 with the KXBC3 Nimh charger and Nimh batteries
> > >> installed. My
> > >> question is: What's the current drain on the NICADS when I store the
> > >> KX3
> > >> for long periods of time? The KX3 is primarily used for portable
> > >> operation
> > >> and when I put the KX3 on the bench the batteries are dead needing
> > >> recharging. I wonder if I should pull on AA battery out during
> > >> storage?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > ______________________________________________________________
> > > Elecraft mailing list
> > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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From josh at voodoolab.com  Tue Oct  5 18:00:46 2021
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 15:00:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 charger question
In-Reply-To: <4fb487e872f12eea8596fe5fc11a1c8f@tr2.com>
References: <4fb487e872f12eea8596fe5fc11a1c8f@tr2.com>
Message-ID: <0B8CEB3A-92FB-4A0E-9A12-39A4D40C335D@voodoolab.com>

You?re supposed to replace the smoke detectors every 10 years because they lose sensitivity. In my experience, 9v alkalines in the AC powered models last nearly that long. I assume it?s just the shelf life of the battery. 

73
Josh W6XU

Sent from my mobile device

> On Oct 5, 2021, at 1:22 PM, jerry <jerry at tr2.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I have a related questions about batteries discharging... Not really about ham radio, all please feel free
> to delete...
> 
>  We have a *lot* of smoke detectors.  They are the kind that runs off the AC, but each one has a backup
> battery.  The other day, one started beeping...and beeping...and beeping.  That momentary beep that says
> "change my battery!".
> 
> Amazon couldn't get me batteries the same day.  And the beeping makes it hard to sleep.  So I went to the garage
> and got one of a set of rechargeable lithium 9V
> rectangulars that I had bought for test equipment - DMMs and such.
> 
>  The old battery in the smoke detector was 7.88V.  The lithium - 9.4.  Installed it...and no beeps!
> 
>  It's tempting to just load all the detectors with lithiums.  The alkalines last a couple years.  Maybe a fully-charged
> lithium would last as long... and then you recharge it?  If so, they'd be a good deal.  If OTOH they only last a couple months,
> that's NOT a good deal, because I'd have to get out the ladder etc every time.
> 
>              ??
>                   - Jerry KF6VB


From julia at juliatuttle.net  Tue Oct  5 18:33:33 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 18:33:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire antenna ends and spools?
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrOQ+JJtfB=P7scV5W1mRmu=ELqaMdk4E0bjLPLQJSACbQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

I'm putting together the Elecraft Standard Wire Antenna(tm), two 25-foot
pieces of 26-gauge wire with relatively slippery insulation.

I've got banana plugs on the near (radio) ends of the wires, and I've
temporarily got the two lengths coiled and held with velcro cable ties, but
I'm wondering if anyone has ideas on:

1. What to put on the far (tree/wherever) ends so I can tie a rope to them
without the slippery insulation just slipping out of the knot. My
girlfriend suggests a ring terminal, which seems reasonable -- any other
ideas?
2. How to coil them more securely. W3ATB suggests a chalk line reel (
https://w3atb.com/wire-antenna-winder/) but I'm not a fan of the
termination there.

Thanks and 73,

Julie

From kc6zkt at effable.com  Tue Oct  5 18:58:38 2021
From: kc6zkt at effable.com (Steve KC6ZKT)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 15:58:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire antenna ends and spools?
In-Reply-To: <CAEVEBrOQ+JJtfB=P7scV5W1mRmu=ELqaMdk4E0bjLPLQJSACbQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEVEBrOQ+JJtfB=P7scV5W1mRmu=ELqaMdk4E0bjLPLQJSACbQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5886642a-00b3-d894-6140-fe81be961b39@effable.com>

I went with two non-resonant lengths (1). Depending on the band I'm 
working, one acts as the radiator, and the other as the counterpoise. I 
chose 23' and 39'.

I installed banana plugs on the radio end, and tied a bowline hitch (2) 
on the far ends. I also carry additional 1.5mm nylon braided cord and a 
couple of tiny plastic carabiners if I need to tie off the end of the 
antenna somewhere.

I'm happy with small kite winders (3). If you don't have a kite shop 
near you, you can get them from SotaBeams in the UK, and I think DX 
Engineering in the USA sells them as well.

1) Non-resonant antenna calculator: https://k7mem.com/Ant_End_Fed.html
2) Bowline hitch: https://www.netknots.com/rope_knots/bowline
3) Kite winders: https://www.sotabeams.co.uk/midi-winders/


On 10/5/21 15:33, Julia Tuttle wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> I'm putting together the Elecraft Standard Wire Antenna(tm), two 25-foot
> pieces of 26-gauge wire with relatively slippery insulation.
> 
> I've got banana plugs on the near (radio) ends of the wires, and I've
> temporarily got the two lengths coiled and held with velcro cable ties, but
> I'm wondering if anyone has ideas on:
> 
> 1. What to put on the far (tree/wherever) ends so I can tie a rope to them
> without the slippery insulation just slipping out of the knot. My
> girlfriend suggests a ring terminal, which seems reasonable -- any other
> ideas?
> 2. How to coil them more securely. W3ATB suggests a chalk line reel (
> https://w3atb.com/wire-antenna-winder/) but I'm not a fan of the
> termination there.
> 
> Thanks and 73,
> 
> Julie

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Tue Oct  5 18:59:45 2021
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 15:59:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire antenna ends and spools?
In-Reply-To: <CAEVEBrOQ+JJtfB=P7scV5W1mRmu=ELqaMdk4E0bjLPLQJSACbQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEVEBrOQ+JJtfB=P7scV5W1mRmu=ELqaMdk4E0bjLPLQJSACbQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D2F8D78D-1731-4B8F-9F4D-90775131F267@wunderwood.org>

I looped the wire and taped it with electrical tape.

For winding, I use the SOTAbeams midi winders. They are the same length as my KX3. I tried camping clothesline reels, but they would bind and it just took too danged long to wind them up.

https://www.sotabeams.co.uk/midi-winders/ <https://www.sotabeams.co.uk/midi-winders/>

For rope into trees, arborist throw line is great. It is lightweight and specifically designed to not get stuck in trees.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Oct 5, 2021, at 3:33 PM, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> I'm putting together the Elecraft Standard Wire Antenna(tm), two 25-foot
> pieces of 26-gauge wire with relatively slippery insulation.
> 
> I've got banana plugs on the near (radio) ends of the wires, and I've
> temporarily got the two lengths coiled and held with velcro cable ties, but
> I'm wondering if anyone has ideas on:
> 
> 1. What to put on the far (tree/wherever) ends so I can tie a rope to them
> without the slippery insulation just slipping out of the knot. My
> girlfriend suggests a ring terminal, which seems reasonable -- any other
> ideas?
> 2. How to coil them more securely. W3ATB suggests a chalk line reel (
> https://w3atb.com/wire-antenna-winder/) but I'm not a fan of the
> termination there.
> 
> Thanks and 73,
> 
> Julie
> ______________________________________________________________
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From rich at wc3t.us  Tue Oct  5 19:34:10 2021
From: rich at wc3t.us (Rich WC3T)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 19:34:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire antenna ends and spools?
In-Reply-To: <D2F8D78D-1731-4B8F-9F4D-90775131F267@wunderwood.org>
References: <D2F8D78D-1731-4B8F-9F4D-90775131F267@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <30843976-30A1-45E2-9D99-6A6882E36325@wc3t.us>

There?s a reason arborists call it ?slick line.?   

> On Oct 5, 2021, at 19:05, Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org> wrote:
> 
> ?I looped the wire and taped it with electrical tape.
> 
> For winding, I use the SOTAbeams midi winders. They are the same length as my KX3. I tried camping clothesline reels, but they would bind and it just took too danged long to wind them up.
> 
> https://www.sotabeams.co.uk/midi-winders/ <https://www.sotabeams.co.uk/midi-winders/>
> 
> For rope into trees, arborist throw line is great. It is lightweight and specifically designed to not get stuck in trees.
> 
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
> 
>> On Oct 5, 2021, at 3:33 PM, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> I'm putting together the Elecraft Standard Wire Antenna(tm), two 25-foot
>> pieces of 26-gauge wire with relatively slippery insulation.
>> 
>> I've got banana plugs on the near (radio) ends of the wires, and I've
>> temporarily got the two lengths coiled and held with velcro cable ties, but
>> I'm wondering if anyone has ideas on:
>> 
>> 1. What to put on the far (tree/wherever) ends so I can tie a rope to them
>> without the slippery insulation just slipping out of the knot. My
>> girlfriend suggests a ring terminal, which seems reasonable -- any other
>> ideas?
>> 2. How to coil them more securely. W3ATB suggests a chalk line reel (
>> https://w3atb.com/wire-antenna-winder/) but I'm not a fan of the
>> termination there.
>> 
>> Thanks and 73,
>> 
>> Julie
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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> 
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From radiomemory at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 19:39:16 2021
From: radiomemory at gmail.com (Gary Memory)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 19:39:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire antenna ends and spools?
In-Reply-To: <CAEVEBrOQ+JJtfB=P7scV5W1mRmu=ELqaMdk4E0bjLPLQJSACbQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEVEBrOQ+JJtfB=P7scV5W1mRmu=ELqaMdk4E0bjLPLQJSACbQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPoA2FWW+vg5yPpovypPEXH_Freu2zN-nroonqCgpFRzm=V0Fw@mail.gmail.com>

I use extension cord winders (orange in color, from Home Depot, rectangle
in shape, about 10 - 12 inches long.  Sorry, O can't recall the official
name).  As for the roped ends, I use glass insulators to fluorescent yellow
or fluorescent orange para-cord...about 50 feet worth on each end in order
to meet most total distances between trees, buildings or otherwise.  I also
keep a number of wire ties, velcro straps, small carabiners etc in the
"kit".  Not sure if this helps.

Gary, N7BRJ


On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 6:34 PM Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I'm putting together the Elecraft Standard Wire Antenna(tm), two 25-foot
> pieces of 26-gauge wire with relatively slippery insulation.
>
> I've got banana plugs on the near (radio) ends of the wires, and I've
> temporarily got the two lengths coiled and held with velcro cable ties, but
> I'm wondering if anyone has ideas on:
>
> 1. What to put on the far (tree/wherever) ends so I can tie a rope to them
> without the slippery insulation just slipping out of the knot. My
> girlfriend suggests a ring terminal, which seems reasonable -- any other
> ideas?
> 2. How to coil them more securely. W3ATB suggests a chalk line reel (
> https://w3atb.com/wire-antenna-winder/) but I'm not a fan of the
> termination there.
>
> Thanks and 73,
>
> Julie
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
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From k4lxy.cw at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 19:56:25 2021
From: k4lxy.cw at gmail.com (Howard Zehr)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 19:56:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Internal KX3 batteries
Message-ID: <9960EDD4-1664-4B9D-9C3D-6F52FCADE5C4@gmail.com>

Some of you may be interested in my solution to internal LifePO4 batteries for the KX3.
https://k4lxycw.wixsite.com/blog/post/internal-lifepo4-batteries-for-the-kx3 <https://k4lxycw.wixsite.com/blog/post/internal-lifepo4-batteries-for-the-kx3>
73 Howard K4LXY

Howard Zehr
K4LXY
Radio blog:  https://k4lxycw.wixsite.com/blog/blog

Photo gallery: www.howardzehr.com








From byron at n6nul.org  Tue Oct  5 20:01:28 2021
From: byron at n6nul.org (Byron Servies)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 17:01:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire antenna ends and spools?
In-Reply-To: <CAEVEBrOQ+JJtfB=P7scV5W1mRmu=ELqaMdk4E0bjLPLQJSACbQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi,

The smallest wire rope thimble you can find (home depot has tiny ones)
and a little bit of the wire sized just under the thimble size. I
don't use the nuts that come with the thimble, usually, but instead
get copper split-bolt splice nuts.

The little bit of extra wire provides the purchase for the nuts and
the thimble is a nice hard connection point.

73, Byron N6NUL

On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 3:35 PM Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I'm putting together the Elecraft Standard Wire Antenna(tm), two 25-foot
> pieces of 26-gauge wire with relatively slippery insulation.
>
> I've got banana plugs on the near (radio) ends of the wires, and I've
> temporarily got the two lengths coiled and held with velcro cable ties, but
> I'm wondering if anyone has ideas on:
>
> 1. What to put on the far (tree/wherever) ends so I can tie a rope to them
> without the slippery insulation just slipping out of the knot. My
> girlfriend suggests a ring terminal, which seems reasonable -- any other
> ideas?
> 2. How to coil them more securely. W3ATB suggests a chalk line reel (
> https://w3atb.com/wire-antenna-winder/) but I'm not a fan of the
> termination there.
>
> Thanks and 73,
>
> Julie
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From rmcgraw at benlomand.net  Tue Oct  5 20:13:09 2021
From: rmcgraw at benlomand.net (Bob McGraw)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 19:13:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Expert 1.3
In-Reply-To: <mailman.366.1633474738.9846.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.366.1633474738.9846.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <b143e1ff-41b6-7798-3803-f1a6d653d78a@benlomand.net>

I'm really surprised that hams would expect ALC to be used to control 
power in any manner.? Yes, it can control power to some small limit. ? 
It is intended to, in general,? prevent amplifier damage in the event of 
a load failure or minor exciter spike or moment of excessive drive.??? 
But to expect one to dump the transceiver output into the input of an 
amp and expect to have ALC control the power.........that's old ham 
lore.? Not very smart operation either.

In the past I've used the ALC output of my KPA500 back to my K3S with 
ALC active.?? Used correctly and monitored on the K3S, you'd never know 
that ALC was in the control path.??? On the other hand, for those that 
must make that DX contact, set all knobs to the right and let the ALC 
handle the rest, that really makes a mess on the band.?? Sounds like 
crap too.

Although the KPA500 is a bit less power than the Expert 1.3, there is no 
relay clicking when running full QSK and no fan noise.? I'm through with 
big noisy amp relays and with wind tunnel cooling systems.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 10/5/2021 5:58 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon,  4 Oct 2021 16:15:02 -0400
> From: Bill Frantz<frantz at pwpconsult.com>
> To: Mike March<mikek4qu at gmail.com>
> Cc:elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Expert 1.3
> Message-ID:
> 	<r480Ps-10146i-02B923BAB0654A1BB83F7E374FAF0B06 at Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
> 	
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> I have used an Expert 1.3K amp for several years with my
> upgraded K3. The short form is it works well. I got it when my
> wife won a $1000 off certificate. I knew this amp was a popular
> choice of many DXpeditions, and so worked well with the K3s they
> used and was reasonably reliable. When I got my amp, I also
> ordered a custom cable for the K3 which was delivered in the
> same shipment as the amp.
>
> I am careful to not depend on the ALC to control exciter power,
> but instead set the output power on the K3 to the right level to
> get the output power I want from the amp. I believe this
> procedure will result in a cleaner signal.
>
> I am thinking about replacing it with an Elecraft amp for two reasons:
>
>     Full break in CW produces a lot of relay clicking. The
> Elecraft amps use
>     PIN diodes.
>
>     The level of integration between the exciter (K3) and the amp
> is much
>     better. I can have my K3 operate at 100W when the amp is
> offline and at
>     whatever drives the amp to the right power level when the amp
> is online
>     with automatic switching.
>
> Cheers - Bill, AE6jV
>


From huntinhmb at coastside.net  Tue Oct  5 20:35:46 2021
From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 17:35:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire antenna ends and spools?
In-Reply-To: <CAEVEBrOQ+JJtfB=P7scV5W1mRmu=ELqaMdk4E0bjLPLQJSACbQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I just wind a figure-8 between my thumb and little finger and tie the bundle with a twist tie. Spade lug on one end and small weight on the other. 25 ft is about the longest this works for. 

72,
Brian, K0DTJ

From dick at elecraft.com  Tue Oct  5 20:43:57 2021
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 17:43:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 firmware Beta 02.04, KAT500 Utility,
	and programming reference updated.
Message-ID: <001601d7ba4b$3f468a20$bdd39e60$@elecraft.com>

We have just placed KAT500 firmware Beta version 02.04 and an updated KAT500 Utility and KAT500 Serial Command reference on our web site.

Firmware  <https://elecraft.com/pages/firmware-software> & Software ? Elecraft

Please send comments to support at elecraft.com <mailto:support at elecraft.com>  with KAT500 in the subject line.

Thanks to Andy, K3WYC, for his assistance during this effort.

73 de Dick, K6KR


From N9DTT at protonmail.com  Tue Oct  5 20:49:14 2021
From: N9DTT at protonmail.com (N9DTT)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 00:49:14 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire antenna ends and spools?
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There's a lot of creative ways to do the loop that all work pretty well.  One I have used is to just form a loop by folding the wire back on itself and anchor the loop in place with an appropriate sized piece of adhesive lined shrink tube.  Depending on how you fashion the shrink tube it can act as a bit of a mechanical fuse to pull out when the wire gets snagged or tripped over.  It helps when the banana plug is at the wrong angle to pull out.

?
Rob
N9DTT

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On Tuesday, October 5th, 2021 at 5:33 PM, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I'm putting together the Elecraft Standard Wire Antenna(tm), two 25-foot
>
> pieces of 26-gauge wire with relatively slippery insulation.
>
> I've got banana plugs on the near (radio) ends of the wires, and I've
>
> temporarily got the two lengths coiled and held with velcro cable ties, but
>
> I'm wondering if anyone has ideas on:
>
> 1.  What to put on the far (tree/wherever) ends so I can tie a rope to them
>
>     without the slippery insulation just slipping out of the knot. My
>
>     girlfriend suggests a ring terminal, which seems reasonable -- any other
>
>     ideas?
> 2.  How to coil them more securely. W3ATB suggests a chalk line reel (
>
>     https://w3atb.com/wire-antenna-winder/) but I'm not a fan of the
>
>     termination there.
>
>     Thanks and 73,
>
>     Julie
>
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From norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 00:35:41 2021
From: norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com (Eric Norris)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 21:35:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 charger question
In-Reply-To: <4fb487e872f12eea8596fe5fc11a1c8f@tr2.com>
References: <CAFjeueqAkDgTbsGYdFW_0WSz9BmCDiXgy0WMmP+WQXWEOotdtw@mail.gmail.com>
	<37c135c0-2df4-b728-3043-eb9c0b7d5d7a@w3fpr.com>
	<4fb487e872f12eea8596fe5fc11a1c8f@tr2.com>
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I dunno about smoke detector batts, BUT--in my extensive tests with
rechargeable v. non-rechargeable CR123A batts for Arlo cameras, the
non-rechargeable ones last twice as long.  I hate to generate the excess
waste, but hauling my degraded carcass up a ladder twice as often while
alone and afraid :-) isn't worth it any more.

73 Eric WD6DBM

On Tue, Oct 5, 2021, 1:22 PM jerry <jerry at tr2.com> wrote:

> I have a related questions about batteries discharging... Not really
> about ham radio, all please feel free
> to delete...
>
>    We have a *lot* of smoke detectors.  They are the kind that runs off
> the AC, but each one has a backup
> battery.  The other day, one started beeping...and beeping...and
> beeping.  That momentary beep that says
> "change my battery!".
>
>   Amazon couldn't get me batteries the same day.  And the beeping makes
> it hard to sleep.  So I went to the garage
>   and got one of a set of rechargeable lithium 9V
> rectangulars that I had bought for test equipment - DMMs and such.
>
>    The old battery in the smoke detector was 7.88V.  The lithium - 9.4.
> Installed it...and no beeps!
>
>    It's tempting to just load all the detectors with lithiums.  The
> alkalines last a couple years.  Maybe a fully-charged
> lithium would last as long... and then you recharge it?  If so, they'd
> be a good deal.  If OTOH they only last a couple months,
> that's NOT a good deal, because I'd have to get out the ladder etc every
> time.
>
>                ??
>                     - Jerry KF6VB
>
>
>
>
> On 2021-10-05 11:08, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> > Eddy,
> >
> > The most likely answer is that your batteries are self discharging.
> > NiMH batteries will do that, although there are low self discharge
> > batteries available that you should look into.
> >
> > 73,
> > Don W3FPR
> >
> > On 10/4/2021 11:14 PM, Eddy - k6sdw wrote:
> >>   I have a KX3 with the KXBC3 Nimh charger and Nimh batteries
> >> installed. My
> >> question is: What's the current drain on the NICADS when I store the
> >> KX3
> >> for long periods of time? The KX3 is primarily used for portable
> >> operation
> >> and when I put the KX3 on the bench the batteries are dead needing
> >> recharging. I wonder if I should pull on AA battery out during
> >> storage?
> >>
> >>
> >
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From norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 00:46:56 2021
From: norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com (Eric Norris)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 21:46:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire antenna ends and spools?
In-Reply-To: <CAEVEBrOQ+JJtfB=P7scV5W1mRmu=ELqaMdk4E0bjLPLQJSACbQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Use a fly fishing knot on those slippery wires to tie them to a small
insulator.  My late friend Neal WA6OCP (SK) used to buy these perfect
spools he called "offshore fishing line spools."   They were maybe 8" in
diameter, but very thin--perfect for winding up slick, slinky wire for
temporary QRP antennas.  I have no idea where he got them


73 Eric WD6DBM

On Tue, Oct 5, 2021, 3:34 PM Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I'm putting together the Elecraft Standard Wire Antenna(tm), two 25-foot
> pieces of 26-gauge wire with relatively slippery insulation.
>
> I've got banana plugs on the near (radio) ends of the wires, and I've
> temporarily got the two lengths coiled and held with velcro cable ties, but
> I'm wondering if anyone has ideas on:
>
> 1. What to put on the far (tree/wherever) ends so I can tie a rope to them
> without the slippery insulation just slipping out of the knot. My
> girlfriend suggests a ring terminal, which seems reasonable -- any other
> ideas?
> 2. How to coil them more securely. W3ATB suggests a chalk line reel (
> https://w3atb.com/wire-antenna-winder/) but I'm not a fan of the
> termination there.
>
> Thanks and 73,
>
> Julie
> ______________________________________________________________
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From sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 07:14:58 2021
From: sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com (steve WB3LGC)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 07:14:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire antenna ends and spools?
In-Reply-To: <CAEVEBrOQ+JJtfB=P7scV5W1mRmu=ELqaMdk4E0bjLPLQJSACbQ@mail.gmail.com>
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https://www.amazon.com/Coghlans-Camp-Laundry-Reel-21-Foot/dp/B001QBZM4Q/ref=sr_1_14_mod_primary_new?dchild=1&keywords=clothesline+camping&qid=1633518594&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D&sr=8-14

works for me.? I use two with 60+ feet of teflon.? The wire can be 
wrapped around the cleat and tied at the other end of the reel.? I have 
used them for many years.

73, steve WB3LGC


On 10/5/21 6:33 PM, Julia Tuttle wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I'm putting together the Elecraft Standard Wire Antenna(tm), two 25-foot
> pieces of 26-gauge wire with relatively slippery insulation.
>
> I've got banana plugs on the near (radio) ends of the wires, and I've
> temporarily got the two lengths coiled and held with velcro cable ties, but
> I'm wondering if anyone has ideas on:
>
> 1. What to put on the far (tree/wherever) ends so I can tie a rope to them
> without the slippery insulation just slipping out of the knot. My
> girlfriend suggests a ring terminal, which seems reasonable -- any other
> ideas?
> 2. How to coil them more securely. W3ATB suggests a chalk line reel (
> https://w3atb.com/wire-antenna-winder/) but I'm not a fan of the
> termination there.
>
> Thanks and 73,
>
> Julie
> ______________________________________________________________
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From sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 07:35:56 2021
From: sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com (steve WB3LGC)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 07:35:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire antenna ends and spools?
In-Reply-To: <CAJSJeL1c5VBxXpVcXyeG0jKscOh4rVatjW8To2dLZNM6NNqVjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEVEBrOQ+JJtfB=P7scV5W1mRmu=ELqaMdk4E0bjLPLQJSACbQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJSJeL1c5VBxXpVcXyeG0jKscOh4rVatjW8To2dLZNM6NNqVjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b8e1ff2-036d-7c20-44e1-a663060441c5@gmail.com>

http://seller.sug.my/product/plastic-fishing-line-spool-hp/ ???

On 10/6/21 12:46 AM, Eric Norris wrote:
> he called "offshore fishing line spools."

From daniel.h.brown at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 08:00:05 2021
From: daniel.h.brown at gmail.com (Daniel Brown)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 08:00:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire antenna ends and spools?
In-Reply-To: <CAJSJeL1c5VBxXpVcXyeG0jKscOh4rVatjW8To2dLZNM6NNqVjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJSJeL1c5VBxXpVcXyeG0jKscOh4rVatjW8To2dLZNM6NNqVjQ@mail.gmail.com>
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In the past, I have sourced a few of the spools used for retailing fly-fishing line from my neighborhood Orvis. Just asked the sales guy nicely, as we were finishing up with other purchases. 

The spools worked nicely with Poly-Steath wire. 

--
Dan Brown

> On Oct 6, 2021, at 00:50, Eric Norris <norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Use a fly fishing knot on those slippery wires to tie them to a small
> insulator.  My late friend Neal WA6OCP (SK) used to buy these perfect
> spools he called "offshore fishing line spools."   They were maybe 8" in
> diameter, but very thin--perfect for winding up slick, slinky wire for
> temporary QRP antennas.  I have no idea where he got them
> 
> 
> 73 Eric WD6DBM
> 
>> On Tue, Oct 5, 2021, 3:34 PM Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> I'm putting together the Elecraft Standard Wire Antenna(tm), two 25-foot
>> pieces of 26-gauge wire with relatively slippery insulation.
>> 
>> I've got banana plugs on the near (radio) ends of the wires, and I've
>> temporarily got the two lengths coiled and held with velcro cable ties, but
>> I'm wondering if anyone has ideas on:
>> 
>> 1. What to put on the far (tree/wherever) ends so I can tie a rope to them
>> without the slippery insulation just slipping out of the knot. My
>> girlfriend suggests a ring terminal, which seems reasonable -- any other
>> ideas?
>> 2. How to coil them more securely. W3ATB suggests a chalk line reel (
>> https://w3atb.com/wire-antenna-winder/) but I'm not a fan of the
>> termination there.
>> 
>> Thanks and 73,
>> 
>> Julie
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>> 
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From mail2robertwalker at me.com  Wed Oct  6 08:24:52 2021
From: mail2robertwalker at me.com (Rob Walker)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 13:24:52 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 lithium ion polymer internal battery
In-Reply-To: <47E6B8D8-0126-48E9-BF56-1CD1A3FDC8A5@me.com>
References: <47E6B8D8-0126-48E9-BF56-1CD1A3FDC8A5@me.com>
Message-ID: <757D290E-E15B-4187-8217-E8F4B1B63050@me.com>

This question relates to the wiring inside the KX3 and not about battery technology? I did not write the question well.

I have received back a lot of good advice on batteries, all correct and thanks,  yet I do want to know about the KX3 wiring if you can help me please.

For interest only, the battery I have made is not a LiPo (never used even in my RC gliders, as they do catch fire) it is a lithium Ion.  The polymer part refers to it not being an 18650 cell (as used in laptops, power tools and automobiles) but instead the flat 3.7v cells as found in tablets and phones.  I may well have used the wrong terminology. 

Anyway, can anyone help me with the wiring.   Can I attach the battery to pins number 1 and 3 of the 10pin P3 connector ? 

I have asked Elecraft direct and while waiting on their reply thought I would post here.  Hope you can help 

Thanks to all who have responded and 73

Kind Regards,


Rob Walker
M5REW



On 4 Oct 2021, at 18:09, Rob Walker <mail2robertwalker at me.com> wrote:

?

?I have made myself a 14.8v lithium ion polymer battery, with battery management system and audible alarm, that fits inside the KX3. 

Ideally I would like to leave it in the KX3 to charge and charge it by connecting a 15v (max 15.5v) PSU to the DC connector of the KX3.

If I connected my battery to pins 1 and 3 of the 10pin P3 connector would this battery power the KX3 and charge when connected to an external 15v PSU?. Without damaging the KX3 of course ?


Kind Regards,


Rob Walker



From ardrhi at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 02:57:42 2021
From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 02:57:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire antenna ends and spools?
In-Reply-To: <CAEVEBrOQ+JJtfB=P7scV5W1mRmu=ELqaMdk4E0bjLPLQJSACbQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEVEBrOQ+JJtfB=P7scV5W1mRmu=ELqaMdk4E0bjLPLQJSACbQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+nQa2NC+PKccHOPMxvgq9a_T+Ag2=kn=YHixrsf=QVJtspkLA@mail.gmail.com>

I usually use a fisherman's knot called a Uni knot. I use it with 24ga
silicone insulated stranded copper wire for my QRP antennas. I tie the end
to a small insulator, then tie paracord or some other thin, strong line to
the other end of the insulator. I like to use very brightly colored wire
and line, so bystanders can see them. Prevents tripping hazard. My favorite
line is glow in the dark paracord. It will glow faintly but visibly in the
dark.

This knot is also known as the Duncan loop. It can tie to a ring, to an
insulator, splice two lines if doubled, and can tie together different
materials. Here's a different video showing how to tie the Uni/Duncan knot
from a different angle, and how to use it to splice two lines together.

https://youtu.be/myMSMYy_iYU

Some think it looks like a noose, but that's a very different knot.

73,
Gwen, NG3P

On Tue, Oct 5, 2021, 6:34 PM Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I'm putting together the Elecraft Standard Wire Antenna(tm), two 25-foot
> pieces of 26-gauge wire with relatively slippery insulation.
>
> I've got banana plugs on the near (radio) ends of the wires, and I've
> temporarily got the two lengths coiled and held with velcro cable ties, but
> I'm wondering if anyone has ideas on:
>
> 1. What to put on the far (tree/wherever) ends so I can tie a rope to them
> without the slippery insulation just slipping out of the knot. My
> girlfriend suggests a ring terminal, which seems reasonable -- any other
> ideas?
> 2. How to coil them more securely. W3ATB suggests a chalk line reel (
> https://w3atb.com/wire-antenna-winder/) but I'm not a fan of the
> termination there.
>
> Thanks and 73,
>
> Julie
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From a.durbin at msn.com  Wed Oct  6 11:27:30 2021
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 15:27:30 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 beta 2.04
Message-ID: <SJ0PR16MB40321163BF730D22E8AC33598CB09@SJ0PR16MB4032.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

https://elecraft.com/pages/kat500-fully-automatic-tuner-firmware-and-utility

New KAT500 firmware and also a new Utility version.   Quite a few issues fixed that are not mentioned in the release notes.

I'd like to thank Dick, K6KR, for his patience as we worked though my defect reports and enhancement suggestions.  I learned a lot from our discussions as this firmware update slowly matured.

All of my alpha testing was with a Kenwood TS-590S.  Hopefully owners of other rigs will try this beta and report any issues.

73,
Andy, k3wyc

From k4wj.john at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 11:29:15 2021
From: k4wj.john at gmail.com (John Bohnovic)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 11:29:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Expert 1.3
In-Reply-To: <b143e1ff-41b6-7798-3803-f1a6d653d78a@benlomand.net>
References: <mailman.366.1633474738.9846.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<b143e1ff-41b6-7798-3803-f1a6d653d78a@benlomand.net>
Message-ID: <CAD6Qzi7bux6qPsG=SmXgkhhtnOVn4pFeHwF73UKCjsRP75wwtg@mail.gmail.com>

I have an SPE 2K FA that I drive with K3. I get around the noisy relay
problem by using a QSK 2500 which has relays that are very quiet compared
to the relays in the SPE amp.

The QSK 2500 developed a problem and I sent it back for repair. The
repaired unit was promptly repaired and I was NOT billed for it.

I highly recommend the QSK 2500.

I also have a KPA 1500. Since I live in Florida I try to keep the heat
generated by my amps to a minimum. I run the SPE 2K FA during the summer
because it runs more efficiently when I don?t need full legal limit when
I?m rag chewing. In October I switch over to the KPA 1500 and back to the
SPE in March or April.

Being able to run the SPE at a lower voltage when running less power is a
big plus for me.

73..de John/K4WJ

On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 8:15 PM Bob McGraw <rmcgraw at benlomand.net> wrote:

> I'm really surprised that hams would expect ALC to be used to control
> power in any manner.  Yes, it can control power to some small limit.
> It is intended to, in general,  prevent amplifier damage in the event of
> a load failure or minor exciter spike or moment of excessive drive.
> But to expect one to dump the transceiver output into the input of an
> amp and expect to have ALC control the power.........that's old ham
> lore.  Not very smart operation either.
>
> In the past I've used the ALC output of my KPA500 back to my K3S with
> ALC active.   Used correctly and monitored on the K3S, you'd never know
> that ALC was in the control path.    On the other hand, for those that
> must make that DX contact, set all knobs to the right and let the ALC
> handle the rest, that really makes a mess on the band.   Sounds like
> crap too.
>
> Although the KPA500 is a bit less power than the Expert 1.3, there is no
> relay clicking when running full QSK and no fan noise.  I'm through with
> big noisy amp relays and with wind tunnel cooling systems.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 10/5/2021 5:58 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon,  4 Oct 2021 16:15:02 -0400
> > From: Bill Frantz<frantz at pwpconsult.com>
> > To: Mike March<mikek4qu at gmail.com>
> > Cc:elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Expert 1.3
> > Message-ID:
> >
>  <r480Ps-10146i-02B923BAB0654A1BB83F7E374FAF0B06 at Williams-MacBook-Pro.local
> >
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> >
> > I have used an Expert 1.3K amp for several years with my
> > upgraded K3. The short form is it works well. I got it when my
> > wife won a $1000 off certificate. I knew this amp was a popular
> > choice of many DXpeditions, and so worked well with the K3s they
> > used and was reasonably reliable. When I got my amp, I also
> > ordered a custom cable for the K3 which was delivered in the
> > same shipment as the amp.
> >
> > I am careful to not depend on the ALC to control exciter power,
> > but instead set the output power on the K3 to the right level to
> > get the output power I want from the amp. I believe this
> > procedure will result in a cleaner signal.
> >
> > I am thinking about replacing it with an Elecraft amp for two reasons:
> >
> >     Full break in CW produces a lot of relay clicking. The
> > Elecraft amps use
> >     PIN diodes.
> >
> >     The level of integration between the exciter (K3) and the amp
> > is much
> >     better. I can have my K3 operate at 100W when the amp is
> > offline and at
> >     whatever drives the amp to the right power level when the amp
> > is online
> >     with automatic switching.
> >
> > Cheers - Bill, AE6jV
> >
>
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Wed Oct  6 11:44:34 2021
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 08:44:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire antenna ends and spools?
In-Reply-To: <5150377e-9fde-f407-fbf7-9d85fdf0b233@gmail.com>
References: <CAEVEBrOQ+JJtfB=P7scV5W1mRmu=ELqaMdk4E0bjLPLQJSACbQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5150377e-9fde-f407-fbf7-9d85fdf0b233@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <32C0EC71-5CB8-4BA0-89EC-A32014B55658@wunderwood.org>

I tried the Coghlan?s laundry reels and switched to the SOTAbeams midi winders. The laundry reels were slow and took a lot of winding. The quality control is a little iffy, too. Sometimes you get one that binds, sometimes they are smooth. And if you drop them just right, they pop open.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Oct 6, 2021, at 4:14 AM, steve WB3LGC <sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/Coghlans-Camp-Laundry-Reel-21-Foot/dp/B001QBZM4Q/ref=sr_1_14_mod_primary_new?dchild=1&keywords=clothesline+camping&qid=1633518594&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D&sr=8-14
> 
> works for me.  I use two with 60+ feet of teflon.  The wire can be wrapped around the cleat and tied at the other end of the reel.  I have used them for many years.
> 
> 73, steve WB3LGC
> 
> 
> On 10/5/21 6:33 PM, Julia Tuttle wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> I'm putting together the Elecraft Standard Wire Antenna(tm), two 25-foot
>> pieces of 26-gauge wire with relatively slippery insulation.
>> 
>> I've got banana plugs on the near (radio) ends of the wires, and I've
>> temporarily got the two lengths coiled and held with velcro cable ties, but
>> I'm wondering if anyone has ideas on:
>> 
>> 1. What to put on the far (tree/wherever) ends so I can tie a rope to them
>> without the slippery insulation just slipping out of the knot. My
>> girlfriend suggests a ring terminal, which seems reasonable -- any other
>> ideas?
>> 2. How to coil them more securely. W3ATB suggests a chalk line reel (
>> https://w3atb.com/wire-antenna-winder/) but I'm not a fan of the
>> termination there.
>> 
>> Thanks and 73,
>> 
>> Julie
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From mike.flowers at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 11:54:30 2021
From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 08:54:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 beta 2.04
In-Reply-To: <SJ0PR16MB40321163BF730D22E8AC33598CB09@SJ0PR16MB4032.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SJ0PR16MB40321163BF730D22E8AC33598CB09@SJ0PR16MB4032.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <081601d7baca$73245500$596cff00$@gmail.com>

Hi Andy,

Tried the new version of the Utility.   'Invalid handle' error when 'Copy
New Files from Elecraft' is clicked.

Unzipped the new beta firmware into my beta directory, and when I tried
loading the beta firmware I got 'Cannot start a busy state machine' error.

I'll stick with v 01.75 for now ... 

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, NCDXC Vice-President 2021-2022


> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-
> bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Andy Durbin
> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2021 08:28
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 beta 2.04
> 
>
https://elecraft.com/pages/kat500-fully-automatic-tuner-firmware-and-utility
> 
> New KAT500 firmware and also a new Utility version.   Quite a few issues
fixed
> that are not mentioned in the release notes.
> 
> I'd like to thank Dick, K6KR, for his patience as we worked though my
defect
> reports and enhancement suggestions.  I learned a lot from our discussions
as
> this firmware update slowly matured.
> 
> All of my alpha testing was with a Kenwood TS-590S.  Hopefully owners of
> other rigs will try this beta and report any issues.
> 
> 73,
> Andy, k3wyc
> ______________________________________________________________
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From jonpoland at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 12:00:56 2021
From: jonpoland at gmail.com (Jon Poland)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 11:00:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 charger question
In-Reply-To: <CAFjeueqAkDgTbsGYdFW_0WSz9BmCDiXgy0WMmP+WQXWEOotdtw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFjeueqAkDgTbsGYdFW_0WSz9BmCDiXgy0WMmP+WQXWEOotdtw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEhv8n4Q7ycq8RonR0uTVqeUrh3s-zfyBCq54e8q6fOaKrrfXg@mail.gmail.com>

I opened my KX3 and measured the current draw on my internal Eneloop
batteries while the radio is off.  That current is 60 microamps.  At that
rate, my 2000mAh batteries will  completely drain in roughly 3 years, 9
months.

Looking at it from a different angle:  After 1 year, a fully charged set of
batteries will have drained to ~60-65% capacity, ~10% from internal
leakage + ~27% from the KX3 load.

Jon N0WL

On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 10:16 PM Eddy - k6sdw <k6sdw.usa at gmail.com> wrote:

>  I have a KX3 with the KXBC3 Nimh charger and Nimh batteries installed. My
> question is: What's the current drain on the NICADS when I store the KX3
> for long periods of time? The KX3 is primarily used for portable operation
> and when I put the KX3 on the bench the batteries are dead needing
> recharging. I wonder if I should pull on AA battery out during storage?
>
> Many thanks
>
> GL/73
>
> Ed/k6sdw
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Wed Oct  6 12:20:25 2021
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 09:20:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 charger question
In-Reply-To: <CAEhv8n4Q7ycq8RonR0uTVqeUrh3s-zfyBCq54e8q6fOaKrrfXg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFjeueqAkDgTbsGYdFW_0WSz9BmCDiXgy0WMmP+WQXWEOotdtw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEhv8n4Q7ycq8RonR0uTVqeUrh3s-zfyBCq54e8q6fOaKrrfXg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6E727E7C-D2B5-48FD-B2CD-B28709451BDA@wunderwood.org>

Nice analysis. For Eneloop Pro batteries, with 2550 mAh capacity,
that would be 21% of capacity for the clock plus 15% for self-discharge.

Of course, whenever the KX3 is connected to ?shore power?, that is 
used instead of the battery.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Oct 6, 2021, at 9:00 AM, Jon Poland <jonpoland at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I opened my KX3 and measured the current draw on my internal Eneloop
> batteries while the radio is off.  That current is 60 microamps.  At that
> rate, my 2000mAh batteries will  completely drain in roughly 3 years, 9
> months.
> 
> Looking at it from a different angle:  After 1 year, a fully charged set of
> batteries will have drained to ~60-65% capacity, ~10% from internal
> leakage + ~27% from the KX3 load.
> 
> Jon N0WL
> 
> On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 10:16 PM Eddy - k6sdw <k6sdw.usa at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I have a KX3 with the KXBC3 Nimh charger and Nimh batteries installed. My
>> question is: What's the current drain on the NICADS when I store the KX3
>> for long periods of time? The KX3 is primarily used for portable operation
>> and when I put the KX3 on the bench the batteries are dead needing
>> recharging. I wonder if I should pull on AA battery out during storage?
>> 
>> Many thanks
>> 
>> GL/73
>> 
>> Ed/k6sdw
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From mike.flowers at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 12:23:39 2021
From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 09:23:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 beta 2.04
In-Reply-To: <081601d7baca$73245500$596cff00$@gmail.com>
References: <SJ0PR16MB40321163BF730D22E8AC33598CB09@SJ0PR16MB4032.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<081601d7baca$73245500$596cff00$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <082501d7bace$85f03420$91d09c60$@gmail.com>

Do you know how I can revert to the previous KAT500 Utility?

Thanks.

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, NCDXC Vice-President 2021-2022


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Flowers <mike.flowers at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2021 08:55
> To: 'Andy Durbin' <a.durbin at msn.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] KAT500 beta 2.04
> 
> Hi Andy,
> 
> Tried the new version of the Utility.   'Invalid handle' error when 'Copy
> New Files from Elecraft' is clicked.
> 
> Unzipped the new beta firmware into my beta directory, and when I tried
> loading the beta firmware I got 'Cannot start a busy state machine' error.
> 
> I'll stick with v 01.75 for now ...
> 
> - 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, NCDXC Vice-President 2021-2022
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-
> > bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Andy Durbin
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2021 08:28
> > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 beta 2.04
> >
> >
>
https://elecraft.com/pages/kat500-fully-automatic-tuner-firmware-and-utility
> >
> > New KAT500 firmware and also a new Utility version.   Quite a few issues
> fixed
> > that are not mentioned in the release notes.
> >
> > I'd like to thank Dick, K6KR, for his patience as we worked though my
> defect
> > reports and enhancement suggestions.  I learned a lot from our
> > discussions
> as
> > this firmware update slowly matured.
> >
> > All of my alpha testing was with a Kenwood TS-590S.  Hopefully owners
> > of other rigs will try this beta and report any issues.
> >
> > 73,
> > Andy, k3wyc
> > ______________________________________________________________
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From k4lxy.cw at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 12:30:42 2021
From: k4lxy.cw at gmail.com (Howard Zehr)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 12:30:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Charger question
Message-ID: <1F48D7B1-C4C1-4788-AD9C-BE5D4E8975AF@gmail.com>

Skip
There is a a discussion on the Elecraft .io forum where a popular power supply manufacturer describes the difference between a Power Suppy and Charger.  The manufacturer pointed out that using a power supply to charge lithium batteries is risky, because current is usually not regulated and voltage regulation might not be tight enough.
 
As an engineer friend reminded me, charging lithium battery banks requires tight contrrol of both voltage and current. The 14.8V lipo pack that was discussed would normally be charged with 16.8V (4 x 4.2V) at 500ma to 2A, depending on the battery manufacturere specifications.

73 Howard K4LXY


Howard Zehr
K4LXY
Radio blog:  https://k4lxycw.wixsite.com/blog/blog

Photo gallery: www.howardzehr.com








From a.durbin at msn.com  Wed Oct  6 12:36:30 2021
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 16:36:30 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 beta 2.04
Message-ID: <SJ0PR16MB4032A7BB0210F7339F7D02AE8CB09@SJ0PR16MB4032.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"Tried the new version of the Utility. ? 'Invalid handle' error when 'Copy New Files from Elecraft' is clicked.  Unzipped the new beta firmware into my beta directory, and when I tried loading the beta firmware I got 'Cannot start a busy state machine' error."

All my testing was done with alpha loads sent to me by email.  I copied them to a local directory, pointed the KAT utility to that directory, and then loaded.  Never saw the issue you report.

Utility is a standalone exe.  If you don't like the new one simply run the earlier version.  I don't remember what the last officially released version was but I have several versions filed away.

73,
Andy, k3wyc


From a.durbin at msn.com  Wed Oct  6 12:55:19 2021
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 16:55:19 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 firmware Beta 02.04, KAT500 Utility,
 and programming reference updated.
Message-ID: <SJ0PR16MB403245AC6A35F65871C76FD98CB09@SJ0PR16MB4032.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

Dick,

Don't know how I missed this.  Sorry for the duplicated notification.

73,
Andy, k3wyc

From a.durbin at msn.com  Wed Oct  6 13:19:50 2021
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 17:19:50 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 firmware Beta 02.04, KAT500 Utility,
 and programming reference updated.
In-Reply-To: <SJ0PR16MB403245AC6A35F65871C76FD98CB09@SJ0PR16MB4032.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SJ0PR16MB403245AC6A35F65871C76FD98CB09@SJ0PR16MB4032.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <SJ0PR16MB4032F8456E9BF7DE5E5941E58CB09@SJ0PR16MB4032.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

Link to updated command reference:

https://ftp.elecraft.com/KAT500/Manuals%20Downloads/

Andy, k3wyc

From bbaines at mac.com  Wed Oct  6 13:33:16 2021
From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 13:33:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 beta 2.04
In-Reply-To: <SJ0PR16MB40321163BF730D22E8AC33598CB09@SJ0PR16MB4032.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SJ0PR16MB40321163BF730D22E8AC33598CB09@SJ0PR16MB4032.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <7FADA561-6935-4B24-B8A3-CF4B43A077D9@mac.com>

Andy:

> On Oct 6, 2021, at 11:27 AM, Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> https://elecraft.com/pages/kat500-fully-automatic-tuner-firmware-and-utility
> 
> New KAT500 firmware and also a new Utility version.   Quite a few issues fixed that are not mentioned in the release notes.

Could you note some of the ?fixes? that are not noted in the release notes?

Second, this firmware is marked ?Beta?.  I typically don?t install stuff until it is the production version.  So are the changes/enhancements significant enough and the Beta is tested well enough such that I should go ahead and install the firmware the next time I?m at the ham station in November (I operate remotely)?  The currently installed firmware is 01.75.  

Third, am I correct that the I can use an earlier version of the KAT500 utility to install the new firmware and that older utility software will ?play nice? with the new firmware?  The currently installed KAT500 Utility is v1.16.7.25 that has a 2016 copyright date.  

Thanks,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW/1
(Currently in Roslindale, MA)

> 
> I'd like to thank Dick, K6KR, for his patience as we worked though my defect reports and enhancement suggestions.  I learned a lot from our discussions as this firmware update slowly matured.
> 
> All of my alpha testing was with a Kenwood TS-590S.  Hopefully owners of other rigs will try this beta and report any issues.
> 
> 73,
> Andy, k3wyc
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From a.durbin at msn.com  Wed Oct  6 13:48:02 2021
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 17:48:02 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 beta 2.04
In-Reply-To: <SJ0PR16MB40321163BF730D22E8AC33598CB09@SJ0PR16MB4032.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SJ0PR16MB40321163BF730D22E8AC33598CB09@SJ0PR16MB4032.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <SJ0PR16MB4032C11337D47FD6DFB40A078CB09@SJ0PR16MB4032.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"Could you note some of the ?fixes? that are not noted in the release notes?"

I don't have a complete summary in one place.  I'll try to put one together later.  A few that come to mind are:

Does not fault when tuning with low power
Less likely to end a full tune sequence with a poor match
Antenna selection logic fixed in BYP mode

"Second, this firmware is marked ?Beta?.  I typically don?t install stuff until it is the production version.  So are the changes/enhancements significant enough and the Beta is tested well enough such that I should go ahead and install the firmware the next time I?m at the ham station in November (I operate remotely)?  The currently installed firmware is 01.75. "

I don't load alpha or beta software unless I expect to gain something from it.  If you have no problems with your current installation, and don't need any of the new features, why take the risk.

"Third, am I correct that the I can use an earlier version of the KAT500 utility to install the new firmware and that older utility software will ?play nice? with the new firmware?  The currently installed KAT500 Utility is v1.16.7.25 that has a 2016 copyright date. ""

The old utility has features that are no longer supported in the new firmware.  The new firmware has features that are not supported by the  older utility.  However, basic functionality such as displaying and editing the tuning solution should still be compatible.

73,
Andy, k3wyc



From ab4iq at comcast.net  Wed Oct  6 13:53:15 2021
From: ab4iq at comcast.net (Ed Pflueger)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 12:53:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 beta 2.04
In-Reply-To: <SJ0PR16MB4032C11337D47FD6DFB40A078CB09@SJ0PR16MB4032.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SJ0PR16MB40321163BF730D22E8AC33598CB09@SJ0PR16MB4032.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<SJ0PR16MB4032C11337D47FD6DFB40A078CB09@SJ0PR16MB4032.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <000001d7badb$0b389260$21a9b720$@comcast.net>

I downloaded the Utility and Beta firmware and all is OK as far as I can
tell.

Ed.. AB4IQ

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[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Andy Durbin
Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2021 12:48 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 beta 2.04

"Could you note some of the 'fixes' that are not noted in the release
notes?"

I don't have a complete summary in one place.  I'll try to put one together
later.  A few that come to mind are:

Does not fault when tuning with low power Less likely to end a full tune
sequence with a poor match Antenna selection logic fixed in BYP mode

"Second, this firmware is marked 'Beta'.  I typically don't install stuff
until it is the production version.  So are the changes/enhancements
significant enough and the Beta is tested well enough such that I should go
ahead and install the firmware the next time I'm at the ham station in
November (I operate remotely)?  The currently installed firmware is 01.75. "

I don't load alpha or beta software unless I expect to gain something from
it.  If you have no problems with your current installation, and don't need
any of the new features, why take the risk.

"Third, am I correct that the I can use an earlier version of the KAT500
utility to install the new firmware and that older utility software will
'play nice' with the new firmware?  The currently installed KAT500 Utility
is v1.16.7.25 that has a 2016 copyright date. ""

The old utility has features that are no longer supported in the new
firmware.  The new firmware has features that are not supported by the
older utility.  However, basic functionality such as displaying and editing
the tuning solution should still be compatible.

73,
Andy, k3wyc


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From hhoyt at mebtel.net  Wed Oct  6 14:41:00 2021
From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 14:41:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 charger question
Message-ID: <a2c1ba62-2bb1-d818-efa4-76e31948f65c@mebtel.net>

Great thread,

All who are interested in the KX series Elecraft gear should subscribe 
to the Elecraft-KX at groups.io group where KX series gear is discussed 
exclusively.? When Wayne isn't debugging K4 firmware he also often posts 
there!

Cheers & 73,
Howie / WA4PSC


From mike at ab9v.us  Wed Oct  6 16:20:01 2021
From: mike at ab9v.us (Mike Cox)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 16:20:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 beta 2.04
In-Reply-To: <SJ0PR16MB40321163BF730D22E8AC33598CB09@SJ0PR16MB4032.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SJ0PR16MB40321163BF730D22E8AC33598CB09@SJ0PR16MB4032.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <bef978ca-76ab-1e72-1fca-ce7c410cff9b@ab9v.us>

It looks like the utility is for 64 bit Windows only...

On 10/6/2021 11:27 AM, Andy Durbin wrote:
> https://elecraft.com/pages/kat500-fully-automatic-tuner-firmware-and-utility
>
> New KAT500 firmware and also a new Utility version.   Quite a few issues fixed that are not mentioned in the release notes.
>
> I'd like to thank Dick, K6KR, for his patience as we worked though my defect reports and enhancement suggestions.  I learned a lot from our discussions as this firmware update slowly matured.
>
> All of my alpha testing was with a Kenwood TS-590S.  Hopefully owners of other rigs will try this beta and report any issues.
>
> 73,
> Andy, k3wyc
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From dick at elecraft.com  Wed Oct  6 16:32:21 2021
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 13:32:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 beta 2.04
In-Reply-To: <bef978ca-76ab-1e72-1fca-ce7c410cff9b@ab9v.us>
References: <SJ0PR16MB40321163BF730D22E8AC33598CB09@SJ0PR16MB4032.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<bef978ca-76ab-1e72-1fca-ce7c410cff9b@ab9v.us>
Message-ID: <0e0301d7baf1$43ec18f0$cbc44ad0$@elecraft.com>

The Windows PC utility is built for x64 (which runs on both Windows 32- and
64-bit, Windows XP and later). 

Only the Mac and Linux versions of the Utility require 64-bit OS. 

I'll ask our webmaster to update the web page accordingly.

73 de Dick, K6KR


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Mike Cox
Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2021 13:20
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 beta 2.04

It looks like the utility is for 64 bit Windows only...

On 10/6/2021 11:27 AM, Andy Durbin wrote:
> https://elecraft.com/pages/kat500-fully-automatic-tuner-firmware-and-u
> tility
>
> New KAT500 firmware and also a new Utility version.   Quite a few issues
fixed that are not mentioned in the release notes.
>
> I'd like to thank Dick, K6KR, for his patience as we worked though my
defect reports and enhancement suggestions.  I learned a lot from our
discussions as this firmware update slowly matured.
>
> All of my alpha testing was with a Kenwood TS-590S.  Hopefully owners of
other rigs will try this beta and report any issues.
>
> 73,
> Andy, k3wyc
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From rmcgraw at benlomand.net  Wed Oct  6 17:00:46 2021
From: rmcgraw at benlomand.net (Bob McGraw)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 16:00:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire antenna ends and spools?
Message-ID: <924ce430-dd64-1d3c-8d30-a6667ae4ff84@benlomand.net>

For years I've carried and used a 50 ft spool of #22 insulated stranded 
hookup wire.? I un-spool the length I guess-ta-mate to be the required 
amount, put a 1/2 hitch at the spool the wire comes on, and toss the 
spool end into the nearest tree, allowing the spool to hang down from a 
limb.? The other end connects to a specially designed banana jack on the 
camper.? When finished operating, just turn the end loose, the spool 
drops down, back off the 1/2 hitch and wind the wire on the original 
spool.??? No insulators, rope, heaving lines, launchers,? or other 
things required.

I also carry a 100 ft spool of #22 in case I wish to put up a longer 
wire.? In that case I may use the 50 ft spool as a ground radial of what 
ever length I may think needed.?? Some may ask "how long is the wire 
antenna?".?? The answer is a very complex mathematical equation; " long 
enough to go from my termination point on the camper to the desired tree 
limb".

My viewpoint.......more parts = more issues.

73

Bob, K4TAX

Message: 1
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 15:59:45 -0700
From: Walter Underwood<wunder at wunderwood.org>
To: Elecraft<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Wire antenna ends and spools?
Message-ID:<D2F8D78D-1731-4B8F-9F4D-90775131F267 at wunderwood.org>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii

I looped the wire and taped it with electrical tape.

For winding, I use the SOTAbeams midi winders. They are the same length as my KX3. I tried camping clothesline reels, but they would bind and it just took too danged long to wind them up.

https://www.sotabeams.co.uk/midi-winders/  <https://www.sotabeams.co.uk/midi-winders/>

For rope into trees, arborist throw line is great. It is lightweight and specifically designed to not get stuck in trees.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/  (my blog)



From k6dgwnv at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 18:08:05 2021
From: k6dgwnv at gmail.com (Skip Jensen)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 15:08:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire antenna ends and spools?
In-Reply-To: <924ce430-dd64-1d3c-8d30-a6667ae4ff84@benlomand.net>
References: <924ce430-dd64-1d3c-8d30-a6667ae4ff84@benlomand.net>
Message-ID: <299efe89-024d-4dfd-1c5f-1db610b6b9bc@gmail.com>

A Rule I learned while working on Apollo at NASA MSC:? "Regardless of 
how large you make the MTBF of each part ... put enough of them on the 
rocket and something will always be broken."

Everyone today seems to want 5 decimal places of precision for the 
length of the wire.? Your "long mathematical equation" works just fine. ?

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 10/6/2021 2:00 PM, Bob McGraw wrote:
> For years I've carried and used a 50 ft spool of #22 insulated 
> stranded hookup wire.? I un-spool the length I guess-ta-mate to be the 
> required amount, put a 1/2 hitch at the spool the wire comes on, and 
> toss the spool end into the nearest tree, allowing the spool to hang 
> down from a limb.? The other end connects to a specially designed 
> banana jack on the camper.? When finished operating, just turn the end 
> loose, the spool drops down, back off the 1/2 hitch and wind the wire 
> on the original spool.??? No insulators, rope, heaving lines, 
> launchers,? or other things required.
>
> I also carry a 100 ft spool of #22 in case I wish to put up a longer 
> wire.? In that case I may use the 50 ft spool as a ground radial of 
> what ever length I may think needed.?? Some may ask "how long is the 
> wire antenna?".?? The answer is a very complex mathematical equation; 
> " long enough to go from my termination point on the camper to the 
> desired tree limb".
>
> My viewpoint.......more parts = more issues.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX


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From w7tr at outlook.com  Thu Oct  7 02:51:57 2021
From: w7tr at outlook.com (Todd KH2TJ)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 06:51:57 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire antenna ends and spools?
In-Reply-To: <8b8e1ff2-036d-7c20-44e1-a663060441c5@gmail.com>
References: <CAEVEBrOQ+JJtfB=P7scV5W1mRmu=ELqaMdk4E0bjLPLQJSACbQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJSJeL1c5VBxXpVcXyeG0jKscOh4rVatjW8To2dLZNM6NNqVjQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<8b8e1ff2-036d-7c20-44e1-a663060441c5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR14MB2614BED4CF8484F64D499F699AB19@BYAPR14MB2614.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

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https://intothewind.com/kites/accessories/kite-line-reels.html

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From a.durbin at msn.com  Thu Oct  7 08:07:34 2021
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 12:07:34 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 beta 2.04
In-Reply-To: <SJ0PR16MB4032C11337D47FD6DFB40A078CB09@SJ0PR16MB4032.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SJ0PR16MB40321163BF730D22E8AC33598CB09@SJ0PR16MB4032.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<SJ0PR16MB4032C11337D47FD6DFB40A078CB09@SJ0PR16MB4032.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <SJ0PR16MB40327C910B80AE96C08EE2A18CB19@SJ0PR16MB4032.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"Could you note some of the ?fixes? that are not noted in the release notes?"

Here is a more complete list:

* An enabled antenna is not selectable with mode BYP

* F; interrogation returns zero after CAT induced band change

* Unexpected behavior for FCCS and FCMD

* Fault code 01 when attempting to tune with low power

* Fault 2 leaves KAT500 in bypass when fault cleared

* Disabling "Tune on QSY" option does not prevent RF count re-tune if CAT frequency is available to KAT500.

All the above are fixed in beta 2.04.

There are also changes in full tune implementation that make is less likely that TX power foldback will result in early termination with a poor match.

FCCS, FCMD, MTM and MTA commands which did not work as documented have been replaced by FDT.? (See command reference for details)

For anyone using CAT control, the biggest change is that the CAT provided TX frequency takes priority over the counter frequency and counter will no longer cause a re-tune at start of, or during, TX.?

(All the above are based on my notes and the Elecraft release notes should be taken as the official version of the changes.)

73,
Andy, k3wyc






From carterwc128 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 09:56:34 2021
From: carterwc128 at gmail.com (Carter Craigie)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 09:56:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Stumped: K2/100 stopped going into Transmit for digital
Message-ID: <CAOWp2qZJ45qz8tqG1AwKhgXcCFOg14e0Gx7haiHyQUGknvkcAQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello fellow Elecrafters,
I am completely stumped!
I have been using my K2/100 along with a SignaLink USB soundcard to do
digital programs, such as PSK31, RTTY, and FT8--all with no problems, for
years.
After downloading and installing the latest version of Ham Radio Deluxe I
now have NO ability to transmit.
I have tried going back and trying Digipan, but no joy there, nor with FT8.
I have no idea what went wrong, and I really don't think my problem has
anything to do with downloading and installing the new version of HRD.
I have taken my control cable (which runs from the K2 to its tuner to its
FTDI USB-232 converter) and have used my Volt-Ohm meter to trace continuity
in all the wiring, and everything ohmed out just as I had built the cable
years ago.
I know that the SignaLink USB has the correct setup, as I have been using
the chip for the K2 which has faithfully worked for me.
I have checked the Com Port (in this case, COM3) and made sure that I have
all the parameters correct.
I have disconnected all three cables going into the SignaLink USB and
reconnected them several times, as well as having done the same on the K2.
Nothing seems worn or improperly used.
BUT:
NO red transmit LED on the SignaLink USB, nor any transmitting bars show on
the K2. No Problems with the receive. And the K2 responds to commands from
the computer, such as changing frequencies and such.
I am completely stumped. Any ideas for me, please?
73,
Carter Craigie, N3AO
Blacksburg, VA
(540)250-8184
carterwc128 at gmail.com
Elecraft K2/100 Nr. 678

From carterwc128 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 10:40:56 2021
From: carterwc128 at gmail.com (Carter Craigie)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 10:40:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 + WSJT transmit problem solved
Message-ID: <CAOWp2qYKwO7CgPrnzyudaFpjEfBt8EUjhOib+vfxyAbrmFGs-g@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the helpful suggestions about why my K2 would not go into
transmit via my Signalink and various digital programs. It turned out that
a sound setting in Windows was messed up so that audio from the computer
was not getting to the Signalink.

Took a screen shot of the setup so next time (and of course there will be a
next time) maybe I can answer my own question.

73, Carter N3AO

From dave at nk7z.net  Thu Oct  7 11:50:03 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 08:50:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 beta 2.04
In-Reply-To: <SJ0PR16MB40327C910B80AE96C08EE2A18CB19@SJ0PR16MB4032.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SJ0PR16MB40321163BF730D22E8AC33598CB09@SJ0PR16MB4032.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<SJ0PR16MB4032C11337D47FD6DFB40A078CB09@SJ0PR16MB4032.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<SJ0PR16MB40327C910B80AE96C08EE2A18CB19@SJ0PR16MB4032.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <a4cccc0d-dcee-38cf-f57b-cf1278a9731a@nk7z.net>

Given we are talking about Beta software, I think I have located another 
issue with the KAT500...

If I use any sort of fast turn around transmit/receive cycle software, 
like VARA, under Winlink, or ARQ type software modem, the tuner tries to 
re-tune every time a most transmit cycles, even with a good SWR on the 
antenna.

My antenna has 1.5:1, and if in bypass all works fine.  If in MAN, the 
tuner goes into a tune cycle...  Which faults the KPA500.  Any suggestions?

I do not have a computer connected to the KAT500, but could connect one 
if needed.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 10/7/21 5:07 AM, Andy Durbin wrote:
> "Could you note some of the ?fixes? that are not noted in the release notes?"
> 
> Here is a more complete list:
> 
> * An enabled antenna is not selectable with mode BYP
> 
> * F; interrogation returns zero after CAT induced band change
> 
> * Unexpected behavior for FCCS and FCMD
> 
> * Fault code 01 when attempting to tune with low power
> 
> * Fault 2 leaves KAT500 in bypass when fault cleared
> 
> * Disabling "Tune on QSY" option does not prevent RF count re-tune if CAT frequency is available to KAT500.
> 
> All the above are fixed in beta 2.04.
> 
> There are also changes in full tune implementation that make is less likely that TX power foldback will result in early termination with a poor match.
> 
> FCCS, FCMD, MTM and MTA commands which did not work as documented have been replaced by FDT.? (See command reference for details)
> 
> For anyone using CAT control, the biggest change is that the CAT provided TX frequency takes priority over the counter frequency and counter will no longer cause a re-tune at start of, or during, TX.
> 
> (All the above are based on my notes and the Elecraft release notes should be taken as the official version of the changes.)
> 
> 73,
> Andy, k3wyc
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From a.durbin at msn.com  Thu Oct  7 12:21:30 2021
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 16:21:30 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 beta 2.04
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"If I use any sort of fast turn around transmit/receive cycle software,?
like VARA, under Winlink, or ARQ type software modem, the tuner tries to 
re-tune every time a most transmit cycles, even with a good SWR on the 
antenna."

Are you saying that you see this with beta 2.04?  If so, have you tried increasing the value of FDT.

73,
Andy, k3wyc


From lists at subich.com  Thu Oct  7 15:27:12 2021
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 15:27:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Stumped: K2/100 stopped going into Transmit for
 digital
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On 2021-10-07 9:56 AM, Carter Craigie wrote:

> NO red transmit LED on the SignaLink USB, nor any transmitting bars 
> show on the K2. No Problems with the receive. And the K2 responds to
> commands from the computer, such as changing frequencies and such.

The Signalink is a brain dead external sound card that generates PTT
based on the presence of audio output (built-in VOX).  If you get no
transmit LED, the audio output is not high enough to trigger the
internal VOX circuits.  Check the TX level (and output device) in
your digital software (WSJTX, DigiPan, DM780, etc.).

You will likely find that the audio endpoints have changed due to
an application and/or Windows update.  First step in trouble shooting
is *always* to do a Windows *RESTART* (not shutdown, power off or
reboot - but *RESTART*) in order to force Windows to load all drivers
fresh from disk rather than used cached versions.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2021-10-07 9:56 AM, Carter Craigie wrote:
> Hello fellow Elecrafters,
> I am completely stumped!
> I have been using my K2/100 along with a SignaLink USB soundcard to do
> digital programs, such as PSK31, RTTY, and FT8--all with no problems, for
> years.
> After downloading and installing the latest version of Ham Radio Deluxe I
> now have NO ability to transmit.
> I have tried going back and trying Digipan, but no joy there, nor with FT8.
> I have no idea what went wrong, and I really don't think my problem has
> anything to do with downloading and installing the new version of HRD.
> I have taken my control cable (which runs from the K2 to its tuner to its
> FTDI USB-232 converter) and have used my Volt-Ohm meter to trace continuity
> in all the wiring, and everything ohmed out just as I had built the cable
> years ago.
> I know that the SignaLink USB has the correct setup, as I have been using
> the chip for the K2 which has faithfully worked for me.
> I have checked the Com Port (in this case, COM3) and made sure that I have
> all the parameters correct.
> I have disconnected all three cables going into the SignaLink USB and
> reconnected them several times, as well as having done the same on the K2.
> Nothing seems worn or improperly used.
> BUT:
> NO red transmit LED on the SignaLink USB, nor any transmitting bars show on
> the K2. No Problems with the receive. And the K2 responds to commands from
> the computer, such as changing frequencies and such.
> I am completely stumped. Any ideas for me, please?
> 73,
> Carter Craigie, N3AO
> Blacksburg, VA
> (540)250-8184
> carterwc128 at gmail.com
> Elecraft K2/100 Nr. 678



From dave at nk7z.net  Thu Oct  7 17:04:59 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 14:04:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 beta 2.04
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Hi Andy,
No, not with the beta, that is untested at this point.  I need to move 
the new software into the KAT then test again...  Thank you for asking!

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 10/7/21 9:21 AM, Andy Durbin wrote:
> "If I use any sort of fast turn around transmit/receive cycle software,
> like VARA, under Winlink, or ARQ type software modem, the tuner tries to
> re-tune every time a most transmit cycles, even with a good SWR on the
> antenna."
> 
> Are you saying that you see this with beta 2.04?  If so, have you tried increasing the value of FDT.
> 
> 73,
> Andy, k3wyc
> 
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From rmcgraw at benlomand.net  Thu Oct  7 20:07:37 2021
From: rmcgraw at benlomand.net (Bob McGraw)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 19:07:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 210, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <mailman.587.1633640717.9846.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.587.1633640717.9846.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <a8d1e05d-29a3-438a-67c0-730a08321582@benlomand.net>

One of the first clues to look for in regard to the audio level out of 
the computer being low is the PTT LED on the Signalink USB does not 
illuminate on transmit command from the software.

A second thing is to check the CODEC to see that the correct one is chosen.

If one has the PTT LED illuminating on the Signalink USB, you have the 
correct audio level and correct CODEC chosen from the computer.

73

Bob, K4TAX




On 10/7/2021 4:05 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> Message: 17
> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 10:40:56 -0400
> From: Carter Craigie<carterwc128 at gmail.com>
> To: Elecraft List Members<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Cc: Kay Craigie<kayn3kn at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K2 + WSJT transmit problem solved
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAOWp2qYKwO7CgPrnzyudaFpjEfBt8EUjhOib+vfxyAbrmFGs-g at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Thanks for the helpful suggestions about why my K2 would not go into
> transmit via my Signalink and various digital programs. It turned out that
> a sound setting in Windows was messed up so that audio from the computer
> was not getting to the Signalink.
>
> Took a screen shot of the setup so next time (and of course there will be a
> next time) maybe I can answer my own question.
>
> 73, Carter N3AO


From bbaines at mac.com  Thu Oct  7 08:41:26 2021
From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 08:41:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 beta 2.04
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Andy:

Thanks for the update!

73,

Barry, WD4ASW/1

> On Oct 7, 2021, at 8:07 AM, Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> "Could you note some of the ?fixes? that are not noted in the release notes?"
> 
> Here is a more complete list:
> 
> * An enabled antenna is not selectable with mode BYP
> 
> * F; interrogation returns zero after CAT induced band change
> 
> * Unexpected behavior for FCCS and FCMD
> 
> * Fault code 01 when attempting to tune with low power
> 
> * Fault 2 leaves KAT500 in bypass when fault cleared
> 
> * Disabling "Tune on QSY" option does not prevent RF count re-tune if CAT frequency is available to KAT500.
> 
> All the above are fixed in beta 2.04.
> 
> There are also changes in full tune implementation that make is less likely that TX power foldback will result in early termination with a poor match.
> 
> FCCS, FCMD, MTM and MTA commands which did not work as documented have been replaced by FDT.  (See command reference for details)
> 
> For anyone using CAT control, the biggest change is that the CAT provided TX frequency takes priority over the counter frequency and counter will no longer cause a re-tune at start of, or during, TX. 
> 
> (All the above are based on my notes and the Elecraft release notes should be taken as the official version of the changes.)
> 
> 73,
> Andy, k3wyc
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From paul142857 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  8 09:56:01 2021
From: paul142857 at gmail.com (Paul Huff)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 09:56:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Power supply for KX3
Message-ID: <35B34A5C-1898-4872-85A6-AD3FDED5C055@gmail.com>

My beautiful bride of 44 years is encouraging me to upgrade my shack to an Elecraft KX3.  (Seriously, she is the one who brought it up!)  At the same time I will be reducing the footprint of all of my accumulated gear including my ancient, but still working, Astron RS-35A power supply.  Elecraft offers a little switcher made by Powerwerx for $119, and for convince I might just go ahead and add that to my KX3 order, but I thought that I would first ask if any of you have other (better? less expensive?) suggestions for a switching power supply to run the KX3 on?  BTW, I?m strictly a QRP/CW op so there will be no future plans for an amplifier.

Thanks ahead of time for any thoughts and suggestions.

73,

Paul - N8XMS
100% QRP CW




From kb1awm at arrl.net  Fri Oct  8 10:08:43 2021
From: kb1awm at arrl.net (Greg Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 10:08:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Power supply for KX3
In-Reply-To: <35B34A5C-1898-4872-85A6-AD3FDED5C055@gmail.com>
References: <35B34A5C-1898-4872-85A6-AD3FDED5C055@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABVtLDAgCZ-tMzQYw3rAnfC+ZsAYvdTT6CEki95zDPRBN7JAcA@mail.gmail.com>

If it's just for the KX3, I recommend:
https://proaudioeng.com/products/pae-kx33-low-rfi-ac-power-supply/

On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 9:58 AM Paul Huff <paul142857 at gmail.com> wrote:

> My beautiful bride of 44 years is encouraging me to upgrade my shack to an
> Elecraft KX3.  (Seriously, she is the one who brought it up!)  At the same
> time I will be reducing the footprint of all of my accumulated gear
> including my ancient, but still working, Astron RS-35A power supply.
> Elecraft offers a little switcher made by Powerwerx for $119, and for
> convince I might just go ahead and add that to my KX3 order, but I thought
> that I would first ask if any of you have other (better? less expensive?)
> suggestions for a switching power supply to run the KX3 on?  BTW, I?m
> strictly a QRP/CW op so there will be no future plans for an amplifier.
>
> Thanks ahead of time for any thoughts and suggestions.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul - N8XMS
> 100% QRP CW
>
>
>
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From kilo4tmc at gmail.com  Fri Oct  8 10:14:19 2021
From: kilo4tmc at gmail.com (Henry Pollock - K4TMC)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 10:14:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Power supply for KX3
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Paul,

The ProAudio Engineering Kx33 Power Supply is an excellent choice if you
are planning to run just the KX3.

73,
Henry - K4TMC

On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 9:57 AM Paul Huff <paul142857 at gmail.com> wrote:

> My beautiful bride of 44 years is encouraging me to upgrade my shack to an
> Elecraft KX3.  (Seriously, she is the one who brought it up!)  At the same
> time I will be reducing the footprint of all of my accumulated gear
> including my ancient, but still working, Astron RS-35A power supply.
> Elecraft offers a little switcher made by Powerwerx for $119, and for
> convince I might just go ahead and add that to my KX3 order, but I thought
> that I would first ask if any of you have other (better? less expensive?)
> suggestions for a switching power supply to run the KX3 on?  BTW, I?m
> strictly a QRP/CW op so there will be no future plans for an amplifier.
>
> Thanks ahead of time for any thoughts and suggestions.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul - N8XMS
> 100% QRP CW
>
>
>
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From mike.flowers at gmail.com  Fri Oct  8 10:18:37 2021
From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 07:18:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Power supply for KX3
In-Reply-To: <CABVtLDAgCZ-tMzQYw3rAnfC+ZsAYvdTT6CEki95zDPRBN7JAcA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <35B34A5C-1898-4872-85A6-AD3FDED5C055@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <01f701d7bc4f$6359b260$2a0d1720$@gmail.com>

I second this recommendation!  Great supply for the KX3.

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, NCDXC Vice-President 2021-2022


> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-
> bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Greg Mitchell
> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2021 07:09
> To: Paul Huff <paul142857 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Elecraft Email List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power supply for KX3
> 
> If it's just for the KX3, I recommend:
> https://proaudioeng.com/products/pae-kx33-low-rfi-ac-power-supply/
> 
> On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 9:58 AM Paul Huff <paul142857 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > My beautiful bride of 44 years is encouraging me to upgrade my shack
> > to an Elecraft KX3.  (Seriously, she is the one who brought it up!)
> > At the same time I will be reducing the footprint of all of my
> > accumulated gear including my ancient, but still working, Astron RS-35A
> power supply.
> > Elecraft offers a little switcher made by Powerwerx for $119, and for
> > convince I might just go ahead and add that to my KX3 order, but I
> > thought that I would first ask if any of you have other (better? less
> > expensive?) suggestions for a switching power supply to run the KX3
> > on?  BTW, I?m strictly a QRP/CW op so there will be no future plans for an
> amplifier.
> >
> > Thanks ahead of time for any thoughts and suggestions.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Paul - N8XMS
> > 100% QRP CW
> >
> >
> >
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From kd4iz at frawg.org  Fri Oct  8 10:21:51 2021
From: kd4iz at frawg.org (KD4IZ)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 10:21:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Power supply for KX3
In-Reply-To: <35B34A5C-1898-4872-85A6-AD3FDED5C055@gmail.com>
References: <35B34A5C-1898-4872-85A6-AD3FDED5C055@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6A86796E-967B-4079-A38B-4E4054275399@frawg.org>

Paul,

The Astron is a real workhorse and a keeper if in good shape.
If you must go light/small and are just powering the KX3, I would point you to Howie?s (ProAudio Engineering  Kx33) power brick. It is nominally a 4A supply in same form as the laptop power supplies. Mine is quiet and a solid performer.
That being said, I have the Powerwerx unit as well, not bad, but mine does create some low level RFI and fan noise both of which can be dealt with.
If you are hooking up more than one piece of gear like the PX3 and other ?stuff?, keep the Astron.
Jack - KD4IZ 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 8, 2021, at 09:57, Paul Huff <paul142857 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?My beautiful bride of 44 years is encouraging me to upgrade my shack to an Elecraft KX3.  (Seriously, she is the one who brought it up!)  At the same time I will be reducing the footprint of all of my accumulated gear including my ancient, but still working, Astron RS-35A power supply.  Elecraft offers a little switcher made by Powerwerx for $119, and for convince I might just go ahead and add that to my KX3 order, but I thought that I would first ask if any of you have other (better? less expensive?) suggestions for a switching power supply to run the KX3 on?  BTW, I?m strictly a QRP/CW op so there will be no future plans for an amplifier.
> 
> Thanks ahead of time for any thoughts and suggestions.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Paul - N8XMS
> 100% QRP CW
> 
> 
> 
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From kg1gem at gmail.com  Fri Oct  8 11:45:10 2021
From: kg1gem at gmail.com (Timothy Elwell)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 10:45:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Power supply for KX3
In-Reply-To: <35B34A5C-1898-4872-85A6-AD3FDED5C055@gmail.com>
References: <35B34A5C-1898-4872-85A6-AD3FDED5C055@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b04a0604-dc60-bfc3-b398-46a7f721f6a0@gmail.com>

I'm another add on for the KX33 from Pro Audio Engineering. I've had 
that supply pretty much since it came out and never had a single problem 
or any noise from it. Howie also sells a splitter for it to allow 
powering both the KX3 and PX3 from it, if you wind up with the PX3 in 
the future. I have and run the KX3/PX3 combo from the KX33 supply and it 
works beautifully for me.

No relation with PAE other than just being a satisfied customer. Good 
luck and enjoy the rig. I love mine!

73,
Tim

KG1GEM
Flower Mound, TX
Denton Co. ARES & SkyWarn Spotter

On 10/8/21 8:56 AM, Paul Huff wrote:
> My beautiful bride of 44 years is encouraging me to upgrade my shack to an Elecraft KX3.  (Seriously, she is the one who brought it up!)  At the same time I will be reducing the footprint of all of my accumulated gear including my ancient, but still working, Astron RS-35A power supply.  Elecraft offers a little switcher made by Powerwerx for $119, and for convince I might just go ahead and add that to my KX3 order, but I thought that I would first ask if any of you have other (better? less expensive?) suggestions for a switching power supply to run the KX3 on?  BTW, I?m strictly a QRP/CW op so there will be no future plans for an amplifier.
>

From a.durbin at msn.com  Fri Oct  8 12:15:15 2021
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 16:15:15 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Power supply for KX3
Message-ID: <SJ0PR16MB4032BB1D0BEC172B57B6D7378CB29@SJ0PR16MB4032.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

?"Elecraft offers a little switcher made by Powerwerx for $119"

https://elecraft.com/collections/power-supplies

This power supply appears to be very similar to several that are on the market.? I have the JETSTREAM JTPS31MB.? If you look at the chassis you will see it has punch-outs to accommodate the various meters, terminals, and switches that are offered in different "badge engineered" versions.

If you buy one of the variants of this supply you may find that the fan will become noisy after a while.? You may also find that is not possible to isolate DC negative from the input mains power ground.

Still using mine after nearly 10 years but I may have made a different choice if I had been better informed.

73,
Andy, k3wyc





From ardrhi at gmail.com  Fri Oct  8 16:03:00 2021
From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 16:03:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Power supply for KX3
In-Reply-To: <b04a0604-dc60-bfc3-b398-46a7f721f6a0@gmail.com>
References: <35B34A5C-1898-4872-85A6-AD3FDED5C055@gmail.com>
	<b04a0604-dc60-bfc3-b398-46a7f721f6a0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+nQa2OQBdry-pF5u_sy-rnWKRnVhQweKS2daWAQ32jz_5brHQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have been operating for 2 or 3 years with a KX3/PX3 combination, with the
KXPA100 amplifier to bump my signal up when I need it. It works remarkably
well, far superior to my venerable old Icom 746 Pro. I have a Yaesu FT-101
that needs a little work, but it's still an old favorite.

The KX3 lends itself best to my needs, as I can mount it to my "shack
stack" next to my recliner, but run it from my PC using WIN4K3SUITE. That
way, I don't have to twist my neck at a painful angle, something I need to
operate at all. (I broke my neck in 2006.)

I can take it into the field if I need to, but I have other radios that
work well enough and aren't as expensive to fix or replace. So I keep my
KX3 indoors most of the time.

It's a solid performer, and I'm glad I invested in it.

73,
Gwen, NG3P

On Fri, Oct 8, 2021, 11:46 AM Timothy Elwell <kg1gem at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm another add on for the KX33 from Pro Audio Engineering. I've had
> that supply pretty much since it came out and never had a single problem
> or any noise from it. Howie also sells a splitter for it to allow
> powering both the KX3 and PX3 from it, if you wind up with the PX3 in
> the future. I have and run the KX3/PX3 combo from the KX33 supply and it
> works beautifully for me.
>
> No relation with PAE other than just being a satisfied customer. Good
> luck and enjoy the rig. I love mine!
>
> 73,
> Tim
>
> KG1GEM
> Flower Mound, TX
> Denton Co. ARES & SkyWarn Spotter
>
> On 10/8/21 8:56 AM, Paul Huff wrote:
> > My beautiful bride of 44 years is encouraging me to upgrade my shack to
> an Elecraft KX3.  (Seriously, she is the one who brought it up!)  At the
> same time I will be reducing the footprint of all of my accumulated gear
> including my ancient, but still working, Astron RS-35A power supply.
> Elecraft offers a little switcher made by Powerwerx for $119, and for
> convince I might just go ahead and add that to my KX3 order, but I thought
> that I would first ask if any of you have other (better? less expensive?)
> suggestions for a switching power supply to run the KX3 on?  BTW, I?m
> strictly a QRP/CW op so there will be no future plans for an amplifier.
> >
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From ron-n9au at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct  8 17:35:32 2021
From: ron-n9au at sbcglobal.net (Ron Gorski)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 21:35:32 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] sticky thermal pads for K3 LPA Mosfets
References: <000501d7bc8c$6d30ff90$4792feb0$.ref@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <000501d7bc8c$6d30ff90$4792feb0$@sbcglobal.net>

I need a description of the sticky thermal pads used between the K3 LPA
Mosfets and the bottom panel on the K3.

Specifically, I wish to know thermal conductivity and physical thickness. A
brand name and or vendor would be helpful.

Thanks for reading

Ron N9AU



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From bill at wjschmidt.com  Fri Oct  8 17:45:39 2021
From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 16:45:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [POSSIBLE SPAM] sticky thermal pads for K3 LPA
	Mosfets
In-Reply-To: <000501d7bc8c$6d30ff90$4792feb0$@sbcglobal.net>
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Virtually anything will work.  It doesn't even have to be "sticky".  Just
use some heat transfer compound to stick a regular mica square to the
chassis.


Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ 



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Mosfets and the bottom panel on the K3.

Specifically, I wish to know thermal conductivity and physical thickness. A
brand name and or vendor would be helpful.

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From QRP5W at roadrunner.com  Fri Oct  8 19:14:19 2021
From: QRP5W at roadrunner.com (QRP5W at roadrunner.com)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2021 23:14:19 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Power supply for KX3
Message-ID: <22cba8eb4e17b330750d11ceadc304cb3edfef93@webmail>

The ubiquitous Radio Shack 22-124A (and its variants) power supply is
a perfect match for the KX-3. Manufactured by the millions and cheaper
than dirt on that watery place or under hamfest tables it meets the
current-handling needs of the KX-3.

72

Howard Kraus, K2UD

	-----------------------------------------From: "Paul Huff" 

To: "Elecraft Email List"
Cc: 
Sent: Friday October 8 2021 9:58:13AM
Subject: [Elecraft] Power supply for KX3

 My beautiful bride of 44 years is encouraging me to upgrade my shack
to an Elecraft KX3. (Seriously, she is the one who brought it up!) At
the same time I will be reducing the footprint of all of my
accumulated gear including my ancient, but still working, Astron
RS-35A power supply. Elecraft offers a little switcher made by
Powerwerx for $119, and for convince I might just go ahead and add
that to my KX3 order, but I thought that I would first ask if any of
you have other (better? less expensive?) suggestions for a switching
power supply to run the KX3 on? BTW, I?m strictly a QRP/CW op so
there will be no future plans for an amplifier.

 Thanks ahead of time for any thoughts and suggestions.

 73,

 Paul - N8XMS
 100% QRP CW

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From cowchip at ca.rr.com  Fri Oct  8 19:20:25 2021
From: cowchip at ca.rr.com (Don Minkoff)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 16:20:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 for sale
Message-ID: <28180b8f-0b1d-ca32-56cf-6e33f7138b6a@ca.rr.com>

I have a very little used KXPA100 with antenna tuner for sale.? Ser. No 
0338.

Includes KX3 to KXPA100 adapter cable set (KXPACBL).? Used maybe three 
or four times in the the last two years.? Asking 1100 dollars.? Cash, 
bank check or PayPal.? I have pictures available.

Makes a great 100W radio coupled with the KX3.? Can be used with any QRP 
radio.

Thanks,

Don, NK6A

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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Oct  8 20:47:33 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 17:47:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Power supply for KX3
In-Reply-To: <22cba8eb4e17b330750d11ceadc304cb3edfef93@webmail>
References: <22cba8eb4e17b330750d11ceadc304cb3edfef93@webmail>
Message-ID: <ffe76d75-f96b-8ec1-d6d9-7e36985dd638@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/8/2021 4:14 PM, QRP5W at roadrunner.com wrote:
> The ubiquitous Radio Shack 22-124A (and its variants) power supply is
> a perfect match for the KX-3. Manufactured by the millions and cheaper
> than dirt on that watery place or under hamfest tables it meets the
> current-handling needs of the KX-3.

I don't see comments on the elephant in the room -- most commercial 
power supplies dump out lots of RF noise, both from their switch-mode 
operation and their regulation circuitry. I would be VERY suspicious of 
any such unit not specifically marketed to hams for use on the HF bands.

The ProAudioEng PSU is quiet for the low current needed for receive, but 
is noisy at the higher current of transmit. No problem if you're using 
only one radio at a time, but bad news if you're listening on a second 
radio tuned to another band while transmitting. It may be possible to 
quiet that noise with ferrite chokes. I have one of these PSUs, but 
haven't tried to choke it.

73, Jim K9YC





From rich at wc3t.us  Fri Oct  8 21:37:07 2021
From: rich at wc3t.us (Rich WC3T)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 21:37:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Power supply for KX3
In-Reply-To: <ffe76d75-f96b-8ec1-d6d9-7e36985dd638@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <ffe76d75-f96b-8ec1-d6d9-7e36985dd638@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <D90912A0-EC04-4C17-8BA1-ACE4B05412CF@wc3t.us>

I have used a Samlec 1223 with no RF noise apparent.  And as for the Astrons that we all regret losing, those are linear analog and don?t do the noise thing.  :)

> On Oct 8, 2021, at 20:49, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> 
> ?On 10/8/2021 4:14 PM, QRP5W at roadrunner.com wrote:
>> The ubiquitous Radio Shack 22-124A (and its variants) power supply is
>> a perfect match for the KX-3. Manufactured by the millions and cheaper
>> than dirt on that watery place or under hamfest tables it meets the
>> current-handling needs of the KX-3.
> 
> I don't see comments on the elephant in the room -- most commercial power supplies dump out lots of RF noise, both from their switch-mode operation and their regulation circuitry. I would be VERY suspicious of any such unit not specifically marketed to hams for use on the HF bands.
> 
> The ProAudioEng PSU is quiet for the low current needed for receive, but is noisy at the higher current of transmit. No problem if you're using only one radio at a time, but bad news if you're listening on a second radio tuned to another band while transmitting. It may be possible to quiet that noise with ferrite chokes. I have one of these PSUs, but haven't tried to choke it.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From n7cqr at arrl.net  Fri Oct  8 22:41:26 2021
From: n7cqr at arrl.net (Dan Presley)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 19:41:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Power supply for KX3
Message-ID: <E081E5C4-7C52-4DF0-9705-E108055F0C1F@arrl.net>

?The Radio Shack supplies are abysmally noisy. Don?t go there?the Pro Audio is far superior. 

Dan Presley 503-701-3871
danpresley at me. com 
N7CQR at arrl.net


> On Oct 8, 2021, at 17:49, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> ?On 10/8/2021 4:14 PM, QRP5W at roadrunner.com wrote:
>> The ubiquitous Radio Shack 22-124A (and its variants) power supply is
>> a perfect match for the KX-3. Manufactured by the millions and cheaper
>> than dirt on that watery place or under hamfest tables it meets the
>> current-handling needs of the KX-3.
> 
> I don't see comments on the elephant in the room -- most commercial power supplies dump out lots of RF noise, both from their switch-mode operation and their regulation circuitry. I would be VERY suspicious of any such unit not specifically marketed to hams for use on the HF bands.
> 
> The ProAudioEng PSU is quiet for the low current needed for receive, but is noisy at the higher current of transmit. No problem if you're using only one radio at a time, but bad news if you're listening on a second radio tuned to another band while transmitting. It may be possible to quiet that noise with ferrite chokes. I have one of these PSUs, but haven't tried to choke it.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From QRP5W at roadrunner.com  Sat Oct  9 09:44:15 2021
From: QRP5W at roadrunner.com (QRP5W at roadrunner.com)
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2021 13:44:15 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Power supply for KX3
Message-ID: <84772a57737dce2ec4a02086d9a9d0e24b8c9648@webmail>

My Radio Shack supply is entirely quiet, it is a classic
straight-through design. No switching going on here.
72
Howard Kraus, K2UD

	-----------------------------------------From: "Dan Presley" 
To: "K2"
Cc: 
Sent: Friday October 8 2021 10:42:44PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power supply for KX3

 The Radio Shack supplies are abysmally noisy. Don?t go there?the
Pro Audio is far superior.

 Dan Presley 503-701-3871
 danpresley at me. com
 N7CQR at arrl.net

 > On Oct 8, 2021, at 17:49, Jim Brown  wrote:
 > ?On 10/8/2021 4:14 PM, QRP5W at roadrunner.com wrote:
 >> The ubiquitous Radio Shack 22-124A (and its variants) power supply
is
 >> a perfect match for the KX-3. Manufactured by the millions and
cheaper
 >> than dirt on that watery place or under hamfest tables it meets
the
 >> current-handling needs of the KX-3.
 >
 > I don't see comments on the elephant in the room -- most commercial
power supplies dump out lots of RF noise, both from their switch-mode
operation and their regulation circuitry. I would be VERY suspicious
of any such unit not specifically marketed to hams for use on the HF
bands.
 >
 > The ProAudioEng PSU is quiet for the low current needed for
receive, but is noisy at the higher current of transmit. No problem if
you're using only one radio at a time, but bad news if you're
listening on a second radio tuned to another band while transmitting.
It may be possible to quiet that noise with ferrite chokes. I have one
of these PSUs, but haven't tried to choke it.
 >
 > 73, Jim K9YC
 >
 >
 >
 >
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From dave.g4aon at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 09:56:48 2021
From: dave.g4aon at gmail.com (Dave)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 14:56:48 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Power supply for KX3
Message-ID: <CABiKjG6dMLuiQEVGF8UpP+9F1UkA8hJs3vsqvEvxg8jHkKXAMg@mail.gmail.com>

?My Radio Shack supply is entirely quiet, it is a classic
straight-through design. No switching going on here.
72
Howard Kraus, K2UD?

????

Beware of old linear supplies, unless yours is fitted with over
Voltage crowbar protection.


I too have a Pro Audio PSU and haven?t had any noise issues. It is
used from a Spanish holiday QTH with my KX3, antenna is a roof mounted
home brew 30/20/15m ground plane with a common mode choke in the
feeder.


74 Dave G4AON

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From sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 19:02:13 2021
From: sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com (steve WB3LGC)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 19:02:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire antenna ends and spools?
In-Reply-To: <924ce430-dd64-1d3c-8d30-a6667ae4ff84@benlomand.net>
References: <924ce430-dd64-1d3c-8d30-a6667ae4ff84@benlomand.net>
Message-ID: <f5da6d57-f7ef-94ef-45db-9a492061d3c4@gmail.com>

I have done similar for my portable antennas.
https://www.amazon.com/Coghlans-Camp-Laundry-Reel-21-Foot/dp/B001QBZM4Q/ref=sr_1_44_mod_primary_new?dchild=1&keywords=rv+clothesline&qid=1633820095&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D&sr=8-44

I loaded the "Coghlans-Camp-Laundry-Reel" ($6) with 24ga teflon (what it 
would take) ended with one at 75+ feet and the second with 100+ feet.? I 
used yellow and red wire.? I like that teflon has silver plated wire and 
it has lasted many-many years of use.? I added banana plugs at the end, 
too.? I have tried chalk lines, but I go back the the simple/cheap one...

I had "free" access to wire at one time.

73, steve WB3LGC

On 10/6/21 5:00 PM, Bob McGraw wrote:
> For years I've carried and used a 50 ft spool of #22 insulated 
> stranded hookup wire.? I un-spool the length I guess-ta-mate to be the 
> required amount, put a 1/2 hitch at the spool the wire comes on, and 
> toss the spool end into the nearest tree, allowing the spool to hang 
> down from a limb.? The other end connects to a specially designed 
> banana jack on the camper.? When finished operating, just turn the end 
> loose, the spool drops down, back off the 1/2 hitch and wind the wire 
> on the original spool.??? No insulators, rope, heaving lines, 
> launchers,? or other things required.
>
> I also carry a 100 ft spool of #22 in case I wish to put up a longer 
> wire.? In that case I may use the 50 ft spool as a ground radial of 
> what ever length I may think needed.?? Some may ask "how long is the 
> wire antenna?".?? The answer is a very complex mathematical equation; 
> " long enough to go from my termination point on the camper to the 
> desired tree limb".
>
> My viewpoint.......more parts = more issues.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 15:59:45 -0700
> From: Walter Underwood<wunder at wunderwood.org>
> To: Elecraft<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Wire antenna ends and spools?
> Message-ID:<D2F8D78D-1731-4B8F-9F4D-90775131F267 at wunderwood.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset=us-ascii
>
> I looped the wire and taped it with electrical tape.
>
> For winding, I use the SOTAbeams midi winders. They are the same 
> length as my KX3. I tried camping clothesline reels, but they would 
> bind and it just took too danged long to wind them up.
>
> https://www.sotabeams.co.uk/midi-winders/ 
> <https://www.sotabeams.co.uk/midi-winders/>
>
> For rope into trees, arborist throw line is great. It is lightweight 
> and specifically designed to not get stuck in trees.
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/? (my blog)
>
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Oct 10 00:18:28 2021
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevin)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 21:18:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <247fd70e-5128-b875-b59f-af31e050c67f@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? The snow level is still one thousand feet above me.? The first frost 
arrived early this week.? Chilly, wet, and foggy.? I spent the week 
reviewing the fundamental theorem of programming: "Computers only do 
what you tell them to do, not what you want them to do."? You would 
think I would learn.

 ?? The sun has been, and still is, active.? A CME is on its way, due 
sometime Monday.? The flare did affect the HF bands, solar flux has 
risen to 92.? The ionosphere should be ringing from the impact.? I don't 
know how rapidly that damps out.? How strong is the restoring force in 
the magnetic field?? In any case, I expect QSB to have a fast flutter 
along with slow waves.? Soon the second net and local sunset will 
coincide.? Propagation will change quickly.


Please join us on (or near):

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 ? 7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

 ?? 73,
 ????? Kevin. KD5ONS



-



Bernard: Those Northern Lights are some kind of weird psychic, something?

Chris: Yeah.

Bernard: What causes them to do that?

Chris: Well, this is just my guess, but I think that high speed 
electrons and protons from the sun are trapped in the van Allen 
radiation belt. Then they're channeled through the Polar Regions by the 
earth's magnetic field where they collide with other particles and 
create a brilliant luminosity.

Bernard: What does that have to do with us?

Chris: I swear man, I don't know.





From payne0j at comcast.net  Sun Oct 10 09:36:15 2021
From: payne0j at comcast.net (John Payne)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 09:36:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire antenna ends and spools?
In-Reply-To: <f5da6d57-f7ef-94ef-45db-9a492061d3c4@gmail.com>
References: <924ce430-dd64-1d3c-8d30-a6667ae4ff84@benlomand.net>
	<f5da6d57-f7ef-94ef-45db-9a492061d3c4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14c1fb22-a27a-f1a6-2e61-ac733a341caa@comcast.net>

In looking at the Amazon listing I notice the reel has "active noise 
canceling".? Wonder how effective that is for switching supply and other 
electrical noise?? (tongue firmly in cheek)

73 de John Payne W4CWZ

On 10/9/2021 7:02 PM, steve WB3LGC wrote:
> I have done similar for my portable antennas.
> https://www.amazon.com/Coghlans-Camp-Laundry-Reel-21-Foot/dp/B001QBZM4Q/ref=sr_1_44_mod_primary_new?dchild=1&keywords=rv+clothesline&qid=1633820095&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D&sr=8-44 
>
>
>

From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Sun Oct 10 16:16:37 2021
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 15:16:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Power supply for KX3
In-Reply-To: <D90912A0-EC04-4C17-8BA1-ACE4B05412CF@wc3t.us>
References: <ffe76d75-f96b-8ec1-d6d9-7e36985dd638@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<D90912A0-EC04-4C17-8BA1-ACE4B05412CF@wc3t.us>
Message-ID: <010901d7be13$baafd2e0$300f78a0$@LNAINC.com>

Who's losing their Astrons?  Did I miss the memo??

73
Lyn, W0LEN


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rich WC3T
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2021 8:37 PM
To: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power supply for KX3

> I have used a Samlec 1223 with no RF noise apparent.  And as for the Astrons that we all regret losing, those are linear analog and don?t do the noise thing.  :)



From k7im at icloud.com  Sun Oct 10 16:20:32 2021
From: k7im at icloud.com (Michael K Bottles)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 13:20:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Power supply for KX3
In-Reply-To: <010901d7be13$baafd2e0$300f78a0$@LNAINC.com>
References: <010901d7be13$baafd2e0$300f78a0$@LNAINC.com>
Message-ID: <B80ED423-EEEE-4604-BA5A-E1D341E73E30@icloud.com>

I use mine everyday.

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 10, 2021, at 13:17, Lyn Norstad <Lyn at lnainc.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Who's losing their Astrons?  Did I miss the memo??
> 
> 73
> Lyn, W0LEN
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rich WC3T
> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2021 8:37 PM
> To: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power supply for KX3
> 
>> I have used a Samlec 1223 with no RF noise apparent.  And as for the Astrons that we all regret losing, those are linear analog and don?t do the noise thing.  :)
> 
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sun Oct 10 17:30:16 2021
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Ed Cole)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 13:30:16 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Power supply for KX3
Message-ID: <6359fc5e-d1df-59b0-881c-8168702524f0@acsalaska.net>

I would just keep the Astron-35 (I bought one in 1980 and still works).
But I upgraded to a Astron-50M years ago and it supplies the entire 
shack (fused at 30A).  I also use a 28v Astron for supplying 24v devices.

But Astron makes 8A and 10A switching supplies (we started swapping them 
out for older Astron analog PS at work).

Since the KX3 takes AA batteries so just install them (and keep buying 
them forever).  <sorry-bad joke>

I have 50v-50A PS: three are surplus HP telephone switching supplies and 
newest is a Meanwell RSP3000.  All require ferrites to keep them quiet. 
Need these to power my QRO LDMOS amps on HF/6m, 2m, and 1296.

73, Ed - KL7UW

From rich at wc3t.us  Sun Oct 10 17:45:52 2021
From: rich at wc3t.us (Rich WC3T)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 17:45:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Power supply for KX3
In-Reply-To: <010901d7be13$baafd2e0$300f78a0$@LNAINC.com>
References: <010901d7be13$baafd2e0$300f78a0$@LNAINC.com>
Message-ID: <46845309-12C8-4761-AB69-ADAC0D397C10@wc3t.us>

There were some regrets expressed about people selling and subsequently missing their old Astrons.   That is all.  

> On Oct 10, 2021, at 16:16, Lyn Norstad <Lyn at lnainc.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Who's losing their Astrons?  Did I miss the memo??
> 
> 73
> Lyn, W0LEN
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rich WC3T
> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2021 8:37 PM
> To: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power supply for KX3
> 
>> I have used a Samlec 1223 with no RF noise apparent.  And as for the Astrons that we all regret losing, those are linear analog and don?t do the noise thing.  :)
> 
> 


From w3ab at w3ab.org  Sun Oct 10 18:15:14 2021
From: w3ab at w3ab.org (W3AB/GEO)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 17:15:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire antenna ends and spools?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.884.1633897242.9846.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.884.1633897242.9846.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <58170886f3acb1e176f2dfea56eef55f@w3ab.org>

I fly stunt kites and had a need for keeping the lines untangled, easy 
to to take up and pay out. We use plastic hoops or a new one, to me, 
called a Yoyo by Shanti kits.
http://shantikites.com/single-line-flying/shanti-hoops-yoyo-winders/

Of course I have a 40M dipole wound on one for portable use.

---
73 de W3AB/GEO

WA2LSI, KE6RJW, W7B, AAR9AG

From dean.k2ww at gmail.com  Sun Oct 10 19:02:48 2021
From: dean.k2ww at gmail.com (Dean L)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 19:02:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted: KPA-1500
Message-ID: <CAHh=7imi78f2+G3PK8U00=_P-j+MBkxHkU4n9hm1EdXwoSA=aw@mail.gmail.com>

Thinking about a KPA-1500, what do you have?
Let me know, off list
73
Dean
In the adirondacks of NY
K2WW (at arrl)

From hhoyt at mebtel.net  Sun Oct 10 20:08:15 2021
From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 20:08:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Power supply for KX3
Message-ID: <50562fa5-1cb3-0248-7a2a-4927970c1e33@mebtel.net>

 >>Jim, K9YC posted:
 >>"I have one of these PSUs, but haven't tried to choke it."

And this was an engineering decision with the Kx33: incorporate a large 
choke inside the PS case and make it much larger and more expensive for 
the small percentage of people who might need it or keep it small and 
within the commonly available case offered by the factory to keep the 
price down.

I include a Fair-Rite 0431167281 Snap-It with each Kx33 for those who 
may be doing what Jim says.? I have found 3-4 turns of the DC cable 
through that core will silence it in TX mode.? I also include a manual 
with a shout-out to Jim's fantastic research on Common-Mode chokes, 
which is really important when portable and using sub-optimally balanced 
antenna systems.? For those who are not familiar with Jim's work, here 
is a link: http://audiosystemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf 
<http://audiosystemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf>

Cheers & 73,
Howie / WA4PSC
proaudioeng.com


From geoffreyf at comcast.net  Sun Oct 10 20:27:57 2021
From: geoffreyf at comcast.net (Geoffrey Feldman)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 20:27:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Regarding KX3 power
Message-ID: <070601d7be36$d78d6bc0$86a84340$@comcast.net>

Understand you don't want an amplifier, go QRP.

Nothing wrong with the switcher or with the Pro Audio.

What I am happy with is the BioEnno is the BioEnno 123AH battery. It's small
enough to fit into the "shack in the pack" or something similar in size.

 

LiFePo batteries such as this one can take thousands of charges and also
stay above 12 volts for almost the entire discharge cycle.  The KX3 will run
at 15 watts out for quite some time with the above mentioned unit.

 

This brings me to its charger.  The connector for the bioenno charger to the
battery is the same as the power input for the KX3.  It's perfectly adequate
as a power supply.  People argue about the special spiffiness of the Pro
Audio. But I can't find an operationally noticeable difference.  Obviously
the BioEnno battery has no switching noise at all.   I don't recommend
pro-audio for charging the BioEnno as the approved charger cuts back voltage
as the battery tops off and the ProAudio does not.

 

So if the BioEnno appeals, you really have to get the correct charger for
it.  If you still need you need another power supply, make your personal
choice there.

 

All options mentioned are OK for something. This is what I use when portable
and how I charge both the KX3 internal battery and the BioEnno when I get
back home (but not at the same time, or I haven't tried that)

 

Geoff

W1GCF


From hsherriff at reagan.com  Sun Oct 10 20:55:08 2021
From: hsherriff at reagan.com (Harlan Sherriff)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 20:55:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Complete K3/100 K-line shack
Message-ID: <180C0B45-C74A-47F2-AA14-B07F0EDDC116@reagan.com>

I?m downsizing my shack to move into a smaller retirement home. All items were purchased new by myself. They have never been operated mobile or portable and exist in a non- smoking environment. This is a complete ?shack radio setup?. I have over $7900 invested. 

KAT500 tuner
KPA500 amplifier

K3 transceiver with the following options:
   2.7 kHz crystal
   200 Hz crystal
   FM bandwidth crystal (8-pole)
   2nd receiver with same filters
   KXV3A Rx ant, IF out xverter interface
   K144XV Reference Lock
   K3EXREF Ext. 10MHz ref. Input
   KTCX03-1 XTCL 1 ppm correction to 
       0.5 ppm crystal
   KBPF3 General Coverage receiver

P3 with following options:
   SVGA Adapter 
   XMTR monitor
       1.5 - 54 MHz 2000w coupler
       144 - 450 MHz 200w coupler

Genovation CP48 Control Pad
Astron RS35A power supply

Asking $4500
Will not separate or ship. May be picked up here or I am willing to travel within 350 miles from Columbia SC. 

Contact me at K4HES at ARRL. net if interested. 

Sent from my iPhone

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Oct 10 21:22:08 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 18:22:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Power supply for KX3
In-Reply-To: <50562fa5-1cb3-0248-7a2a-4927970c1e33@mebtel.net>
References: <50562fa5-1cb3-0248-7a2a-4927970c1e33@mebtel.net>
Message-ID: <6df0e44f-41a7-3d17-0da5-e9ecb639d0e2@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/10/2021 5:08 PM, Howard Hoyt wrote:
> And this was an engineering decision with the Kx33: incorporate a large 
> choke inside the PS case and make it much larger and more expensive for 
> the small percentage of people who might need it or keep it small and 
> within the commonly available case offered by the factory to keep the 
> price down.

And these are exactly the sort of design decisions I consider great 
engineering. Every project does not need to be fit for a space shuttle.

73, Jim K9YC

From kevinr at coho.net  Mon Oct 11 01:07:28 2021
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevin)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 22:07:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <4f2cab50-327a-1b99-ce7d-337a6e99ed5f@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? Conditions were as I had expected.? Moderate QSB with some flutter 
on both bands.? I turned my rig on around 9 AM PDT.? I scanned twenty 
and found a station calling CQ in the PAQP.? I scanned a little more and 
found other PAQP stations.? Most of them were easy copy.? So I left one 
tuned as I did my morning chores. Later, during the first net, signals 
were good a little farther west.


 ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

NO8V - John - MI

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K4JPN - Steve - GA

K6XK - Roy - IA


 ? On 7047.5 kHz at 0000z:

W0CZ - Ken - ND

WM5F - Dwight - ID

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

K7TXA - Jim - ID

K6PJV - Dale - CA


Until next week 73,

 ?? Kevin.? KD5ONS



-




Let me tell you how it will be
There's one for you, nineteen for me
Should five percent appear too small
Be thankful I don't take it all

If you drive a car, I'll tax the street
If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat
If you get too cold, I'll tax the heat
If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet

Now my advice for those who die
Declare the pennies on your eyes
Cause I'm the taxman
Yeah, I'm the taxman


for (int i=0; i<10; i++)
 ?? {
 ?? seg[i].N = norm( normal( seg[i].ps, seg[i].pe ) );
 ?? seg[i].C = plus( seg[i].ps, scale( minus( seg[i].pe, seg[i].ps ), 
0.5 ) );
 ?? seg[i].angle = angle( minus( seg[i].pe, seg[i].ps ) );
 ?? seg[i].hit = FALSE;? ?????????????????????? // the unhit state
 ?? }

bb = dot( minus( pt, seg[i].C ), seg[i].N );

if ( ( bb > -0.03) && ( bb < 0.0 ) )??? // tweak here
 ? { ??? // bounce velocity vector
 ? vi = matTvec( Refl( seg[i].angle ), vi );
 ? }



From paul142857 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 08:12:14 2021
From: paul142857 at gmail.com (Paul Huff)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:12:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Re KX3 power supply
Message-ID: <7F813C90-0343-46FE-BC12-B8E442211E59@gmail.com>

I want to thank all of the people who responded to my request for information about powering a KX3.  This is a great group and I appreciate all of the information that was given.

73,

Paul - N8XMS
100% QRP CW




From sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 09:13:51 2021
From: sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com (steve WB3LGC)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 09:13:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] sticky thermal pads for K3 LPA Mosfets
In-Reply-To: <000501d7bc8c$6d30ff90$4792feb0$@sbcglobal.net>
References: <000501d7bc8c$6d30ff90$4792feb0$.ref@sbcglobal.net>
	<000501d7bc8c$6d30ff90$4792feb0$@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <1836dad8-fc6d-fb2f-95ed-ef57dd9eaacb@gmail.com>

It may not be what E uses.? 3M makes "sticky" pads.? I use them for my 
Raspberry Pi computer.

See: https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/d/b5005065038/ and 
https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/d/b00051394/

73, steve WB3LGC

On 10/8/21 5:35 PM, Ron Gorski wrote:
> I need a description of the sticky thermal pads used between the K3 LPA
> Mosfets and the bottom panel on the K3.
>
> Specifically, I wish to know thermal conductivity and physical thickness. A
> brand name and or vendor would be helpful.
>
> Thanks for reading
>
> Ron N9AU
>
>
>

From g6xjz.dave at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 13:20:16 2021
From: g6xjz.dave at gmail.com (David Rowe)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 18:20:16 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 firmware update.
Message-ID: <116B9233-B57A-4048-B189-F69F45726228@gmail.com>

I have successfully updated my KX2 and KX? but when it came to the pan adapter I received from the utility PX3 not responding (I did according to the manual)(and directly after the KX?s Any thoughts?


From w6jhb at me.com  Mon Oct 11 13:31:50 2021
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 11:31:50 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 / WSJT-X Delayed Transmit
Message-ID: <BF347F29-DC67-439C-8C27-3090AE6CD429@me.com>

Hi Folks,

Wondering if someone on the list might be able to solve this one. I?m using a K3 and while CW is my main passion, I do dabble in FT8 occasionally. I?ve noticed that the radio does not start transmitting right at the start of the 15 second FT8 cycle. It will start anywhere from 2 - 5 seconds into the cycle. I can?t help but think that is not a good thing and could be the cause of an occasional missed QSO. I DO make QSOs but this kinda bothers me. The audio signals are delayed this amount of time, as is the red TX light coming on - I am using VOX . Same thing happens when I press the TUNE button - it takes anywhere from 2-5 seconds for the rig to go into transmit mode.

I really doubt it is due to computer overload, as the only applications running are WSJT-X, MacLoggerDX (my logging program), and JT-Bridge  - all other applications have been ended. Since this happens when I press TUNE, that pretty much eliminates JT-Bridge and MacLoggerDX as the cause. Some hardware and software specifics:

Mac mini, 32 GB RAM, 3GHz processor, 6 cores, Intel Core i5.
Mac OS Big Sur 11.5
WSJT-X 2.4.0
Audio Interface: Tascam US-125M external USB device
Values in the DT column are consistently about 0.1 - 0.4

Wasn?t sure if I should post this here or on the WSJT-X list, but I thought I?d start here. Any ideas?


Jim / K7TXA
Eagle, ID

From k1whs at metrocast.net  Mon Oct 11 14:45:39 2021
From: k1whs at metrocast.net (David Olean)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 14:45:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 / WSJT-X Delayed Transmit
In-Reply-To: <BF347F29-DC67-439C-8C27-3090AE6CD429@me.com>
References: <BF347F29-DC67-439C-8C27-3090AE6CD429@me.com>
Message-ID: <dc9734af-10a3-cdc8-83ec-ea797912219f@metrocast.net>

Update the software to the latest. That was a known bug in earlier 
versions. I had the same problem with my K3.

Dave K1WHS

On 10/11/2021 1:31 PM, James Bennett via Elecraft wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> Wondering if someone on the list might be able to solve this one. I?m using a K3 and while CW is my main passion, I do dabble in FT8 occasionally. I?ve noticed that the radio does not start transmitting right at the start of the 15 second FT8 cycle. It will start anywhere from 2 - 5 seconds into the cycle. I can?t help but think that is not a good thing and could be the cause of an occasional missed QSO. I DO make QSOs but this kinda bothers me. The audio signals are delayed this amount of time, as is the red TX light coming on - I am using VOX . Same thing happens when I press the TUNE button - it takes anywhere from 2-5 seconds for the rig to go into transmit mode.
>
> I really doubt it is due to computer overload, as the only applications running are WSJT-X, MacLoggerDX (my logging program), and JT-Bridge  - all other applications have been ended. Since this happens when I press TUNE, that pretty much eliminates JT-Bridge and MacLoggerDX as the cause. Some hardware and software specifics:
>
> Mac mini, 32 GB RAM, 3GHz processor, 6 cores, Intel Core i5.
> Mac OS Big Sur 11.5
> WSJT-X 2.4.0
> Audio Interface: Tascam US-125M external USB device
> Values in the DT column are consistently about 0.1 - 0.4
>
> Wasn?t sure if I should post this here or on the WSJT-X list, but I thought I?d start here. Any ideas?
>
>
> Jim / K7TXA
> Eagle, ID
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From w5sum at comcast.net  Mon Oct 11 14:26:41 2021
From: w5sum at comcast.net (Ronnie Hull)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 13:26:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 / WSJT-X Delayed Transmit
In-Reply-To: <BF347F29-DC67-439C-8C27-3090AE6CD429@me.com>
References: <BF347F29-DC67-439C-8C27-3090AE6CD429@me.com>
Message-ID: <3EF0898A-FE6C-41F0-A283-6A56303C6971@comcast.net>

My K3 does the exact same thing and I?m running Windows 10

Ron W5SUM

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 11, 2021, at 12:55 PM, James Bennett via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Folks,
> 
> Wondering if someone on the list might be able to solve this one. I?m using a K3 and while CW is my main passion, I do dabble in FT8 occasionally. I?ve noticed that the radio does not start transmitting right at the start of the 15 second FT8 cycle. It will start anywhere from 2 - 5 seconds into the cycle. I can?t help but think that is not a good thing and could be the cause of an occasional missed QSO. I DO make QSOs but this kinda bothers me. The audio signals are delayed this amount of time, as is the red TX light coming on - I am using VOX . Same thing happens when I press the TUNE button - it takes anywhere from 2-5 seconds for the rig to go into transmit mode.
> 
> I really doubt it is due to computer overload, as the only applications running are WSJT-X, MacLoggerDX (my logging program), and JT-Bridge  - all other applications have been ended. Since this happens when I press TUNE, that pretty much eliminates JT-Bridge and MacLoggerDX as the cause. Some hardware and software specifics:
> 
> Mac mini, 32 GB RAM, 3GHz processor, 6 cores, Intel Core i5.
> Mac OS Big Sur 11.5
> WSJT-X 2.4.0
> Audio Interface: Tascam US-125M external USB device
> Values in the DT column are consistently about 0.1 - 0.4
> 
> Wasn?t sure if I should post this here or on the WSJT-X list, but I thought I?d start here. Any ideas?
> 
> 
> Jim / K7TXA
> Eagle, ID
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From jstengrevics at comcast.net  Mon Oct 11 15:16:18 2021
From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 15:16:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 / WSJT-X Delayed Transmit
In-Reply-To: <BF347F29-DC67-439C-8C27-3090AE6CD429@me.com>
References: <BF347F29-DC67-439C-8C27-3090AE6CD429@me.com>
Message-ID: <2682ABCF-2A02-4680-ADDF-91FE40A43C8A@comcast.net>

James,

I had the same problem here running a Mac.  Solved it by going to CAT, Mode = None, Split = None.

I have no delay now.

John
WA1EAZ

> On Oct 11, 2021, at 1:31 PM, James Bennett via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> Wondering if someone on the list might be able to solve this one. I?m using a K3 and while CW is my main passion, I do dabble in FT8 occasionally. I?ve noticed that the radio does not start transmitting right at the start of the 15 second FT8 cycle. It will start anywhere from 2 - 5 seconds into the cycle. I can?t help but think that is not a good thing and could be the cause of an occasional missed QSO. I DO make QSOs but this kinda bothers me. The audio signals are delayed this amount of time, as is the red TX light coming on - I am using VOX . Same thing happens when I press the TUNE button - it takes anywhere from 2-5 seconds for the rig to go into transmit mode.
> 
> I really doubt it is due to computer overload, as the only applications running are WSJT-X, MacLoggerDX (my logging program), and JT-Bridge  - all other applications have been ended. Since this happens when I press TUNE, that pretty much eliminates JT-Bridge and MacLoggerDX as the cause. Some hardware and software specifics:
> 
> Mac mini, 32 GB RAM, 3GHz processor, 6 cores, Intel Core i5.
> Mac OS Big Sur 11.5
> WSJT-X 2.4.0
> Audio Interface: Tascam US-125M external USB device
> Values in the DT column are consistently about 0.1 - 0.4
> 
> Wasn?t sure if I should post this here or on the WSJT-X list, but I thought I?d start here. Any ideas?
> 
> 
> Jim / K7TXA
> Eagle, ID
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From w6jhb at me.com  Mon Oct 11 15:23:46 2021
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 13:23:46 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 / WSJT-X Delayed Transmit
In-Reply-To: <A8874865-2D62-4211-9747-41BA11EAEB3F@dremy.com>
References: <BF347F29-DC67-439C-8C27-3090AE6CD429@me.com>
	<A8874865-2D62-4211-9747-41BA11EAEB3F@dremy.com>
Message-ID: <1DA71664-C628-4A14-B00B-2EAF06F8A7F1@me.com>

David -

I?ve played with the VOX Gain to no avail - at zero the rig never transmits, and at 100 (where it has been sitting) I get the delay. Various settings in between have no effect. The Delay controls how quickly the rig goes back into receive mode after speaking. But, thanks for the hints!

Jim Bennett / K7TXA
Eagle, ID


> On Oct 11, 2021, at 12:00 PM, D Remy <drh at dremy.com> wrote:
> 
> I know nothing about operating in the digital modes but wonder if the delays might be changed with Vox Gain and Delay settings.
> 
> Good luck!
> David, NS4V
> 
> 
> David R. Hourdequin, PE
> Specialty Heavy Timber Engineer
> 828-421-6216
> 
>> On Oct 11, 2021, at 13:57, James Bennett via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hi Folks,
>> 
>> Wondering if someone on the list might be able to solve this one. I?m using a K3 and while CW is my main passion, I do dabble in FT8 occasionally. I?ve noticed that the radio does not start transmitting right at the start of the 15 second FT8 cycle. It will start anywhere from 2 - 5 seconds into the cycle. I can?t help but think that is not a good thing and could be the cause of an occasional missed QSO. I DO make QSOs but this kinda bothers me. The audio signals are delayed this amount of time, as is the red TX light coming on - I am using VOX . Same thing happens when I press the TUNE button - it takes anywhere from 2-5 seconds for the rig to go into transmit mode.
>> 
>> I really doubt it is due to computer overload, as the only applications running are WSJT-X, MacLoggerDX (my logging program), and JT-Bridge  - all other applications have been ended. Since this happens when I press TUNE, that pretty much eliminates JT-Bridge and MacLoggerDX as the cause. Some hardware and software specifics:
>> 
>> Mac mini, 32 GB RAM, 3GHz processor, 6 cores, Intel Core i5.
>> Mac OS Big Sur 11.5
>> WSJT-X 2.4.0
>> Audio Interface: Tascam US-125M external USB device
>> Values in the DT column are consistently about 0.1 - 0.4
>> 
>> Wasn?t sure if I should post this here or on the WSJT-X list, but I thought I?d start here. Any ideas?
>> 
>> 
>> Jim / K7TXA
>> Eagle, ID
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From lists at subich.com  Mon Oct 11 15:34:06 2021
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 15:34:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 / WSJT-X Delayed Transmit
In-Reply-To: <1DA71664-C628-4A14-B00B-2EAF06F8A7F1@me.com>
References: <BF347F29-DC67-439C-8C27-3090AE6CD429@me.com>
	<A8874865-2D62-4211-9747-41BA11EAEB3F@dremy.com>
	<1DA71664-C628-4A14-B00B-2EAF06F8A7F1@me.com>
Message-ID: <81c68eb6-9994-dc38-9066-9d4beeed3e4b@subich.com>


Update to the latest WSJTX and hamlib.  The problem is due to a timing 
issue in the older versions of hamlib not allowing WSJTX to begin audio
until it receives certain CAT responses from the K3/K3s.   Older
versions of hamlib were doing too many (unnecessary) CAT commands.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2021-10-11 3:23 PM, James Bennett via Elecraft wrote:
> David -
> 
> I?ve played with the VOX Gain to no avail - at zero the rig never transmits, and at 100 (where it has been sitting) I get the delay. Various settings in between have no effect. The Delay controls how quickly the rig goes back into receive mode after speaking. But, thanks for the hints!
> 
> Jim Bennett / K7TXA
> Eagle, ID
> 
> 
>> On Oct 11, 2021, at 12:00 PM, D Remy <drh at dremy.com> wrote:
>>
>> I know nothing about operating in the digital modes but wonder if the delays might be changed with Vox Gain and Delay settings.
>>
>> Good luck!
>> David, NS4V
>>
>>
>> David R. Hourdequin, PE
>> Specialty Heavy Timber Engineer
>> 828-421-6216
>>
>>> On Oct 11, 2021, at 13:57, James Bennett via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Hi Folks,
>>>
>>> Wondering if someone on the list might be able to solve this one. I?m using a K3 and while CW is my main passion, I do dabble in FT8 occasionally. I?ve noticed that the radio does not start transmitting right at the start of the 15 second FT8 cycle. It will start anywhere from 2 - 5 seconds into the cycle. I can?t help but think that is not a good thing and could be the cause of an occasional missed QSO. I DO make QSOs but this kinda bothers me. The audio signals are delayed this amount of time, as is the red TX light coming on - I am using VOX . Same thing happens when I press the TUNE button - it takes anywhere from 2-5 seconds for the rig to go into transmit mode.
>>>
>>> I really doubt it is due to computer overload, as the only applications running are WSJT-X, MacLoggerDX (my logging program), and JT-Bridge  - all other applications have been ended. Since this happens when I press TUNE, that pretty much eliminates JT-Bridge and MacLoggerDX as the cause. Some hardware and software specifics:
>>>
>>> Mac mini, 32 GB RAM, 3GHz processor, 6 cores, Intel Core i5.
>>> Mac OS Big Sur 11.5
>>> WSJT-X 2.4.0
>>> Audio Interface: Tascam US-125M external USB device
>>> Values in the DT column are consistently about 0.1 - 0.4
>>>
>>> Wasn?t sure if I should post this here or on the WSJT-X list, but I thought I?d start here. Any ideas?
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim / K7TXA
>>> Eagle, ID



From w6jhb at me.com  Mon Oct 11 15:35:05 2021
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 13:35:05 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 / WSJT-X Delayed Transmit
In-Reply-To: <BF347F29-DC67-439C-8C27-3090AE6CD429@me.com>
References: <BF347F29-DC67-439C-8C27-3090AE6CD429@me.com>
Message-ID: <0CBC0ECE-4CB6-4DD0-A664-6DD02EB4F745@me.com>

Problem solved - it was simply a matter of upgrading to version 2.5 of WSJT-X. Works fine now. Thanks to all who replied!!

Jim Bennett / K7TXA
Eagle, ID



> On Oct 11, 2021, at 11:31 AM, James Bennett via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> Wondering if someone on the list might be able to solve this one. I?m using a K3 and while CW is my main passion, I do dabble in FT8 occasionally. I?ve noticed that the radio does not start transmitting right at the start of the 15 second FT8 cycle. It will start anywhere from 2 - 5 seconds into the cycle. I can?t help but think that is not a good thing and could be the cause of an occasional missed QSO. I DO make QSOs but this kinda bothers me. The audio signals are delayed this amount of time, as is the red TX light coming on - I am using VOX . Same thing happens when I press the TUNE button - it takes anywhere from 2-5 seconds for the rig to go into transmit mode.
> 
> I really doubt it is due to computer overload, as the only applications running are WSJT-X, MacLoggerDX (my logging program), and JT-Bridge  - all other applications have been ended. Since this happens when I press TUNE, that pretty much eliminates JT-Bridge and MacLoggerDX as the cause. Some hardware and software specifics:
> 
> Mac mini, 32 GB RAM, 3GHz processor, 6 cores, Intel Core i5.
> Mac OS Big Sur 11.5
> WSJT-X 2.4.0
> Audio Interface: Tascam US-125M external USB device
> Values in the DT column are consistently about 0.1 - 0.4
> 
> Wasn?t sure if I should post this here or on the WSJT-X list, but I thought I?d start here. Any ideas?
> 
> 
> Jim / K7TXA
> Eagle, ID
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Oct 11 15:41:03 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 12:41:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 / WSJT-X Delayed Transmit
In-Reply-To: <dc9734af-10a3-cdc8-83ec-ea797912219f@metrocast.net>
References: <BF347F29-DC67-439C-8C27-3090AE6CD429@me.com>
	<dc9734af-10a3-cdc8-83ec-ea797912219f@metrocast.net>
Message-ID: <27a2c1df-1bef-8d92-d46e-97a40b8bb3bc@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/11/2021 11:45 AM, David Olean wrote:
> Update the software to the latest. That was a known bug in earlier 
> versions. I had the same problem with my K3.

Yes. It's a problem between WSJT-X and hamlib. WSJT-X was sending more 
rig control commands than necessary. Also, don't tell WSJT-X to do 
anything to the K3 except do the split thing, which minimizes harmonic 
distortion caused by overdriving the rig's audio input or modulator.

73, Jim K9YC

From don at w3fpr.com  Mon Oct 11 15:46:08 2021
From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 15:46:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 / WSJT-X Delayed Transmit
In-Reply-To: <1DA71664-C628-4A14-B00B-2EAF06F8A7F1@me.com>
References: <BF347F29-DC67-439C-8C27-3090AE6CD429@me.com>
	<A8874865-2D62-4211-9747-41BA11EAEB3F@dremy.com>
	<1DA71664-C628-4A14-B00B-2EAF06F8A7F1@me.com>
Message-ID: <c43a4b2c-9486-9872-7261-92f28c9e8f2f@w3fpr.com>

Jim,

Two possible fixes:
1) Use PTT via CAT command - most digital applications provide for it.
2) Check that your audio levels are sufficient - for the Elecraft gear, 
you should have 4 bars of ALC solid with the 5th one blinking.? See the 
full explanation on my website www.w3fpr.com.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/11/2021 3:23 PM, James Bennett via Elecraft wrote:
> David -
>
> I?ve played with the VOX Gain to no avail - at zero the rig never transmits, and at 100 (where it has been sitting) I get the delay. Various settings in between have no effect. The Delay controls how quickly the rig goes back into receive mode after speaking. But, thanks for the hints!
>
> Jim Bennett / K7TXA
> Eagle, ID
>
>
>> On Oct 11, 2021, at 12:00 PM, D Remy <drh at dremy.com> wrote:
>>
>> I know nothing about operating in the digital modes but wonder if the delays might be changed with Vox Gain and Delay settings.
>>
>> Good luck!
>> David, NS4V
>>
>>
>> David R. Hourdequin, PE
>> Specialty Heavy Timber Engineer
>> 828-421-6216
>>
>>> On Oct 11, 2021, at 13:57, James Bennett via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Hi Folks,
>>>
>>> Wondering if someone on the list might be able to solve this one. I?m using a K3 and while CW is my main passion, I do dabble in FT8 occasionally. I?ve noticed that the radio does not start transmitting right at the start of the 15 second FT8 cycle. It will start anywhere from 2 - 5 seconds into the cycle. I can?t help but think that is not a good thing and could be the cause of an occasional missed QSO. I DO make QSOs but this kinda bothers me. The audio signals are delayed this amount of time, as is the red TX light coming on - I am using VOX . Same thing happens when I press the TUNE button - it takes anywhere from 2-5 seconds for the rig to go into transmit mode.
>>>
>>> I really doubt it is due to computer overload, as the only applications running are WSJT-X, MacLoggerDX (my logging program), and JT-Bridge  - all other applications have been ended. Since this happens when I press TUNE, that pretty much eliminates JT-Bridge and MacLoggerDX as the cause. Some hardware and software specifics:
>>>
>>> Mac mini, 32 GB RAM, 3GHz processor, 6 cores, Intel Core i5.
>>> Mac OS Big Sur 11.5
>>> WSJT-X 2.4.0
>>> Audio Interface: Tascam US-125M external USB device
>>> Values in the DT column are consistently about 0.1 - 0.4
>>>
>>> Wasn?t sure if I should post this here or on the WSJT-X list, but I thought I?d start here. Any ideas?
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim / K7TXA
>>> Eagle, ID
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>>>
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>>> Message delivered to drh at dremy.com
>>
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From WG9L at comcast.net  Tue Oct 12 08:12:49 2021
From: WG9L at comcast.net (Bob Schwerdlin)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 07:12:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 / WSJT-X Delayed Transmit
In-Reply-To: <81c68eb6-9994-dc38-9066-9d4beeed3e4b@subich.com>
References: <BF347F29-DC67-439C-8C27-3090AE6CD429@me.com>
	<A8874865-2D62-4211-9747-41BA11EAEB3F@dremy.com>
	<1DA71664-C628-4A14-B00B-2EAF06F8A7F1@me.com>
	<81c68eb6-9994-dc38-9066-9d4beeed3e4b@subich.com>
Message-ID: <8efd7da3-8eb5-93e0-c712-3ae1a05c5bb4@comcast.net>

The current version of hamlib is, 4.3

I had similar delay of TX issues with my FT-1000D and WSJT-X on Linux.? 
After I updated to hamlib 4.x from version 3.3, my issues went away.? 
Additionally, all the current rigs were updated in the library.? Note, 
they are all now four digit radio codes, whereas version 3.3 was mostly 
three digit radio codes.

Bob, WG9L

On 10/11/2021 2:34 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
> Update to the latest WSJTX and hamlib.? The problem is due to a timing 
> issue in the older versions of hamlib not allowing WSJTX to begin audio
> until it receives certain CAT responses from the K3/K3s.?? Older
> versions of hamlib were doing too many (unnecessary) CAT commands.
>
> 73,
>
> ?? ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2021-10-11 3:23 PM, James Bennett via Elecraft wrote:
>> David -
>>
>> I?ve played with the VOX Gain to no avail - at zero the rig never 
>> transmits, and at 100 (where it has been sitting) I get the delay. 
>> Various settings in between have no effect. The Delay controls how 
>> quickly the rig goes back into receive mode after speaking. But, 
>> thanks for the hints!
>>
>> Jim Bennett / K7TXA
>> Eagle, ID
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 11, 2021, at 12:00 PM, D Remy <drh at dremy.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I know nothing about operating in the digital modes but wonder if 
>>> the delays might be changed with Vox Gain and Delay settings.
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>> David, NS4V
>>>
>>>
>>> David R. Hourdequin, PE
>>> Specialty Heavy Timber Engineer
>>> 828-421-6216
>>>
>>>> On Oct 11, 2021, at 13:57, James Bennett via Elecraft 
>>>> <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Hi Folks,
>>>>
>>>> Wondering if someone on the list might be able to solve this one. 
>>>> I?m using a K3 and while CW is my main passion, I do dabble in FT8 
>>>> occasionally. I?ve noticed that the radio does not start 
>>>> transmitting right at the start of the 15 second FT8 cycle. It will 
>>>> start anywhere from 2 - 5 seconds into the cycle. I can?t help but 
>>>> think that is not a good thing and could be the cause of an 
>>>> occasional missed QSO. I DO make QSOs but this kinda bothers me. 
>>>> The audio signals are delayed this amount of time, as is the red TX 
>>>> light coming on - I am using VOX . Same thing happens when I press 
>>>> the TUNE button - it takes anywhere from 2-5 seconds for the rig to 
>>>> go into transmit mode.
>>>>
>>>> I really doubt it is due to computer overload, as the only 
>>>> applications running are WSJT-X, MacLoggerDX (my logging program), 
>>>> and JT-Bridge? - all other applications have been ended. Since this 
>>>> happens when I press TUNE, that pretty much eliminates JT-Bridge 
>>>> and MacLoggerDX as the cause. Some hardware and software specifics:
>>>>
>>>> Mac mini, 32 GB RAM, 3GHz processor, 6 cores, Intel Core i5.
>>>> Mac OS Big Sur 11.5
>>>> WSJT-X 2.4.0
>>>> Audio Interface: Tascam US-125M external USB device
>>>> Values in the DT column are consistently about 0.1 - 0.4
>>>>
>>>> Wasn?t sure if I should post this here or on the WSJT-X list, but I 
>>>> thought I?d start here. Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jim / K7TXA
>>>> Eagle, ID
>
>
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From FlatHat at comcast.net  Tue Oct 12 09:01:36 2021
From: FlatHat at comcast.net (Richard)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 09:01:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Scanning With a K3s
Message-ID: <D624697D-3F5F-4051-BE45-C4910FBC0E09@comcast.net>

The manual says:

"Set VFO A to the starting frequency, and VFO B to the ending frequency."

This becomes tedious if I want to scan the entire 10-meter SSB segment; cranking VFO B to 29.700 takes forever.

Is there a way I can use FREQ ENT to put 29.700 in VFO A, then transfer or copy that to VFO B, then put 28.300 in VFO A? Can I use FREQ ENT to do the latter?

Thanks.

Richard Kunc ? W4KBX

From dave at nk7z.net  Tue Oct 12 09:22:56 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 06:22:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Scanning With a K3s
In-Reply-To: <D624697D-3F5F-4051-BE45-C4910FBC0E09@comcast.net>
References: <D624697D-3F5F-4051-BE45-C4910FBC0E09@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6484b367-2210-81c3-29af-204e0695ad24@nk7z.net>

A > B on the front panel will transfer from A to B.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 10/12/21 6:01 AM, Richard wrote:
> The manual says:
> 
> "Set VFO A to the starting frequency, and VFO B to the ending frequency."
> 
> This becomes tedious if I want to scan the entire 10-meter SSB segment; cranking VFO B to 29.700 takes forever.
> 
> Is there a way I can use FREQ ENT to put 29.700 in VFO A, then transfer or copy that to VFO B, then put 28.300 in VFO A? Can I use FREQ ENT to do the latter?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Richard Kunc ? W4KBX
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From w5sum at comcast.net  Tue Oct 12 09:57:59 2021
From: w5sum at comcast.net (Ronnie Hull)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 08:57:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 / WSJT-X Delayed Transmit
In-Reply-To: <8efd7da3-8eb5-93e0-c712-3ae1a05c5bb4@comcast.net>
References: <8efd7da3-8eb5-93e0-c712-3ae1a05c5bb4@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <0722C425-BC47-4CD9-BDB6-E9B96B9E6533@comcast.net>

I upgraded to 2.5.0 last night at Jim?s suggestion and it worked! No more delay!
Ron W5SUM 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 12, 2021, at 7:13 AM, Bob Schwerdlin <WG9L at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?The current version of hamlib is, 4.3
> 
> I had similar delay of TX issues with my FT-1000D and WSJT-X on Linux.  After I updated to hamlib 4.x from version 3.3, my issues went away.  Additionally, all the current rigs were updated in the library.  Note, they are all now four digit radio codes, whereas version 3.3 was mostly three digit radio codes.
> 
> Bob, WG9L
> 
>> On 10/11/2021 2:34 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>> 
>> Update to the latest WSJTX and hamlib.  The problem is due to a timing issue in the older versions of hamlib not allowing WSJTX to begin audio
>> until it receives certain CAT responses from the K3/K3s.   Older
>> versions of hamlib were doing too many (unnecessary) CAT commands.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>>    ... Joe, W4TV
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2021-10-11 3:23 PM, James Bennett via Elecraft wrote:
>>> David -
>>> 
>>> I?ve played with the VOX Gain to no avail - at zero the rig never transmits, and at 100 (where it has been sitting) I get the delay. Various settings in between have no effect. The Delay controls how quickly the rig goes back into receive mode after speaking. But, thanks for the hints!
>>> 
>>> Jim Bennett / K7TXA
>>> Eagle, ID
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 11, 2021, at 12:00 PM, D Remy <drh at dremy.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I know nothing about operating in the digital modes but wonder if the delays might be changed with Vox Gain and Delay settings.
>>>> 
>>>> Good luck!
>>>> David, NS4V
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> David R. Hourdequin, PE
>>>> Specialty Heavy Timber Engineer
>>>> 828-421-6216
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 11, 2021, at 13:57, James Bennett via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Hi Folks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wondering if someone on the list might be able to solve this one. I?m using a K3 and while CW is my main passion, I do dabble in FT8 occasionally. I?ve noticed that the radio does not start transmitting right at the start of the 15 second FT8 cycle. It will start anywhere from 2 - 5 seconds into the cycle. I can?t help but think that is not a good thing and could be the cause of an occasional missed QSO. I DO make QSOs but this kinda bothers me. The audio signals are delayed this amount of time, as is the red TX light coming on - I am using VOX . Same thing happens when I press the TUNE button - it takes anywhere from 2-5 seconds for the rig to go into transmit mode.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I really doubt it is due to computer overload, as the only applications running are WSJT-X, MacLoggerDX (my logging program), and JT-Bridge  - all other applications have been ended. Since this happens when I press TUNE, that pretty much eliminates JT-Bridge and MacLoggerDX as the cause. Some hardware and software specifics:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mac mini, 32 GB RAM, 3GHz processor, 6 cores, Intel Core i5.
>>>>> Mac OS Big Sur 11.5
>>>>> WSJT-X 2.4.0
>>>>> Audio Interface: Tascam US-125M external USB device
>>>>> Values in the DT column are consistently about 0.1 - 0.4
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wasn?t sure if I should post this here or on the WSJT-X list, but I thought I?d start here. Any ideas?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jim / K7TXA
>>>>> Eagle, ID
>> 
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From k9ztv at socket.net  Tue Oct 12 10:26:20 2021
From: k9ztv at socket.net (K9ZTV)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 09:26:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Scanning With a K3s
In-Reply-To: <D624697D-3F5F-4051-BE45-C4910FBC0E09@comcast.net>
References: <D624697D-3F5F-4051-BE45-C4910FBC0E09@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <DBFB28E5-79E2-4E54-B400-0CB10098BC5D@socket.net>

Direct Frequency Entry obviates the need to even touch the main dial, much less crank it. 

73,

Kent  K9ZTV

> On Oct 12, 2021, at 8:04 AM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?... cranking VFO B to 29.700 takes forever ...
> 
> 


From rmcgraw at benlomand.net  Tue Oct 12 10:58:12 2021
From: rmcgraw at benlomand.net (Bob McGraw)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 09:58:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 210, Issue 7
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1061.1634047103.9846.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.1061.1634047103.9846.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <d4085341-46be-92a9-3414-0f013b13e0f3@benlomand.net>

I'm running WSJT-X v2.5.0.? Earlier versions did have a delay on 
transmit issue.?? For WSJT-X RADIO settings, I use MODE as Data/Pkt and 
for SPLIT I use Fake It. ? The radio operates is in DATA A mode. ?? I do 
run CAT control and not VOX for PTT.? Running the latest updated version 
of Windows 10 Pro, I find little to no delay in transmit start-up.

As to Apple users, our church installed an Apple? based video system.?? 
After many issues, failures and embarrassments, I told the pastor; "As I 
recall, Adam and Eve had an issue with an apple.? There is a bite out of 
the logo to prove it". ? Perhaps there is a lesson to be learned.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 10/12/2021 8:58 AM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 14:45:39 -0400
> From: David Olean<k1whs at metrocast.net>
> To: James Bennett<w6jhb at me.com>,	Elecraft Reflector Reflector
> 	<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 / WSJT-X Delayed Transmit
> Message-ID:<dc9734af-10a3-cdc8-83ec-ea797912219f at metrocast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Update the software to the latest. That was a known bug in earlier
> versions. I had the same problem with my K3.
>
> Dave K1WHS
>
> On 10/11/2021 1:31 PM, James Bennett via Elecraft wrote:
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> Wondering if someone on the list might be able to solve this one. I?m using a K3 and while CW is my main passion, I do dabble in FT8 occasionally. I?ve noticed that the radio does not start transmitting right at the start of the 15 second FT8 cycle. It will start anywhere from 2 - 5 seconds into the cycle. I can?t help but think that is not a good thing and could be the cause of an occasional missed QSO. I DO make QSOs but this kinda bothers me. The audio signals are delayed this amount of time, as is the red TX light coming on - I am using VOX . Same thing happens when I press the TUNE button - it takes anywhere from 2-5 seconds for the rig to go into transmit mode.
>>
>> I really doubt it is due to computer overload, as the only applications running are WSJT-X, MacLoggerDX (my logging program), and JT-Bridge  - all other applications have been ended. Since this happens when I press TUNE, that pretty much eliminates JT-Bridge and MacLoggerDX as the cause. Some hardware and software specifics:
>>
>> Mac mini, 32 GB RAM, 3GHz processor, 6 cores, Intel Core i5.
>> Mac OS Big Sur 11.5
>> WSJT-X 2.4.0
>> Audio Interface: Tascam US-125M external USB device
>> Values in the DT column are consistently about 0.1 - 0.4
>>
>> Wasn?t sure if I should post this here or on the WSJT-X list, but I thought I?d start here. Any ideas?
>>
>>
>> Jim / K7TXA
>> Eagle, ID
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From dean.k2ww at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 14:54:56 2021
From: dean.k2ww at gmail.com (Dean L)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 14:54:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted to buy : KPA-1500
Message-ID: <CAHh=7inkWShdUuWVNzt3Opktudk1=of7xYuySMbAUzo9vJpEyg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm looking to buy a gently used KPA 1500.
Have buyer's remorse?
Getting out of the hobby?
I'm your man

Thanks Dean K2WW

From cak at dimebank.com  Tue Oct 12 15:03:09 2021
From: cak at dimebank.com (Christopher A Kantarjiev)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 12:03:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Ten-Tec amp/tuner and accessories.
Message-ID: <226d35b9-f802-bfb0-f1fb-2b56ba625952@dimebank.com>

Drought and beetle kill have taken the antenna supports (incense cedar 
and sugar pine trees) at my vacation QTH, and I'm not spending enough 
time there to justify a tower - so I'm decommisioning the station there.

Ten-Tec Hercules II amp - 550w max out, takes 12v power
Ten-Tec 229B tuner - 2Kw max, will tune anything including your gutters
Autek research WM1 computing wattmeter (with remote sense and illumination)
DCPwr Station-op 6 power pole strip
Palstar 1500W dummy load
rf cabling

https://photos.app.goo.gl/E2dBpjzA6PXmMKF38
https://photos.app.goo.gl/eUDYmeKAejF5gddp8

Asking $1200 to start ... it's hard to understand how to price such 
things :-)

The Hercules was converted to use high-current power poles instead of 
the sometimes troublesome Molex connectors that the factory provided.

I was set up on the second floor without access to 220v, so this was a 
great setup for me; I would bring my K2 or KX3 as an exciter.

I run this from a deep cycle marine battery (rigged with breaker), which 
also powers a DCPwr Station-op 6 panel (via 8g wire and higher-current 
power poles) and charge it with an A&A Engineering linear battery maintainer

https://web.archive.org/web/20070811111822/http://dcpwr.com/products/product.php?id=76

http://www.a-aengineering.com/QST_58.pdf

For my duty cycles, this worked quite well, even as a relatively little 
pistol chaser during contests.

This would be a great setup for a remote CQP activation ... (I don't 
have NCCC contact any more, maybe someone could forward this there?)

I have copies of manuals for the Ten-Tec gear. No boxes, sorry. 
Non-smoking shack, good physical condition, all works great.

I'd like to sell the whole setup, but will split it up if that's what it 
takes. I'm in Palo Alto (the gear is currently in Oakhurst but I'm 
headed out there this week and can take more photos or haul it back) and 
I can deliver or meet half way in the Bay Area. I'm not excited about 
packing it up to ship, but let's talk.

VY 73 de chris K6DBG


From K9SW at comcast.net  Tue Oct 12 16:53:56 2021
From: K9SW at comcast.net (David Moorman)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 15:53:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Regarding KX3 power
In-Reply-To: <070601d7be36$d78d6bc0$86a84340$@comcast.net>
References: <070601d7be36$d78d6bc0$86a84340$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <c64b39ae-57ac-e4bc-cf4b-1124ce03e04d@comcast.net>

A 123 AH BioEnno Battery would cost nearly as much as a KX3!

Dave K9SW

On 10/10/21 7:27 PM, Geoffrey Feldman wrote:
> Understand you don't want an amplifier, go QRP.
>
> Nothing wrong with the switcher or with the Pro Audio.
>
> What I am happy with is the BioEnno is the BioEnno 123AH battery. It's small
> enough to fit into the "shack in the pack" or something similar in size.
>
>   
>
> LiFePo batteries such as this one can take thousands of charges and also
> stay above 12 volts for almost the entire discharge cycle.  The KX3 will run
> at 15 watts out for quite some time with the above mentioned unit.
>
>   
>
> This brings me to its charger.  The connector for the bioenno charger to the
> battery is the same as the power input for the KX3.  It's perfectly adequate
> as a power supply.  People argue about the special spiffiness of the Pro
> Audio. But I can't find an operationally noticeable difference.  Obviously
> the BioEnno battery has no switching noise at all.   I don't recommend
> pro-audio for charging the BioEnno as the approved charger cuts back voltage
> as the battery tops off and the ProAudio does not.
>
>   
>
> So if the BioEnno appeals, you really have to get the correct charger for
> it.  If you still need you need another power supply, make your personal
> choice there.
>
>   
>
> All options mentioned are OK for something. This is what I use when portable
> and how I charge both the KX3 internal battery and the BioEnno when I get
> back home (but not at the same time, or I haven't tried that)
>
>   
>
> Geoff
>
> W1GCF
>
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From radio at disseminator.net  Tue Oct 12 17:12:14 2021
From: radio at disseminator.net (Dave Erickson)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 16:12:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted to buy : KPA-1500
In-Reply-To: <CAHh=7inkWShdUuWVNzt3Opktudk1=of7xYuySMbAUzo9vJpEyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHh=7inkWShdUuWVNzt3Opktudk1=of7xYuySMbAUzo9vJpEyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4593ef62-42ce-86e9-fae8-23475d9e5738@disseminator.net>

On 10/12/2021 1:54 PM, Dean L wrote:
> I'm looking to buy a gently used KPA 1500.
> Have buyer's remorse?
> Getting out of the hobby?
> I'm your man
> 
> Thanks Dean K2WW

Dean,

This isn't me, but saw it yesterday...

https://swap.qth.com/view_ad.php?counter=1559934

-- 
Dave Erickson
AB0R
73

From rich at wc3t.us  Tue Oct 12 17:19:43 2021
From: rich at wc3t.us (Rich WC3T)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 17:19:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Regarding KX3 power
In-Reply-To: <c64b39ae-57ac-e4bc-cf4b-1124ce03e04d@comcast.net>
References: <c64b39ae-57ac-e4bc-cf4b-1124ce03e04d@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C78E068D-CE20-408C-92BB-06F845DA0222@wc3t.us>

They don?t make a 123 Ah battery.  Could he have meant the BLF-1203?  That?s what I knock around with.  

> On Oct 12, 2021, at 16:55, David Moorman <K9SW at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?A 123 AH BioEnno Battery would cost nearly as much as a KX3!
> 
> Dave K9SW
> 
>> On 10/10/21 7:27 PM, Geoffrey Feldman wrote:
>> Understand you don't want an amplifier, go QRP.
>> 
>> Nothing wrong with the switcher or with the Pro Audio.
>> 
>> What I am happy with is the BioEnno is the BioEnno 123AH battery. It's small
>> enough to fit into the "shack in the pack" or something similar in size.
>> 
>>  
>> LiFePo batteries such as this one can take thousands of charges and also
>> stay above 12 volts for almost the entire discharge cycle.  The KX3 will run
>> at 15 watts out for quite some time with the above mentioned unit.
>> 
>>  
>> This brings me to its charger.  The connector for the bioenno charger to the
>> battery is the same as the power input for the KX3.  It's perfectly adequate
>> as a power supply.  People argue about the special spiffiness of the Pro
>> Audio. But I can't find an operationally noticeable difference.  Obviously
>> the BioEnno battery has no switching noise at all.   I don't recommend
>> pro-audio for charging the BioEnno as the approved charger cuts back voltage
>> as the battery tops off and the ProAudio does not.
>> 
>>  
>> So if the BioEnno appeals, you really have to get the correct charger for
>> it.  If you still need you need another power supply, make your personal
>> choice there.
>> 
>>  
>> All options mentioned are OK for something. This is what I use when portable
>> and how I charge both the KX3 internal battery and the BioEnno when I get
>> back home (but not at the same time, or I haven't tried that)
>> 
>>  
>> Geoff
>> 
>> W1GCF
>> 
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From n8sbe at arrl.net  Tue Oct 12 20:57:40 2021
From: n8sbe at arrl.net (Dave New)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 19:57:40 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 / WSJT-X Delayed Transmit
In-Reply-To: <BF347F29-DC67-439C-8C27-3090AE6CD429@me.com>
Message-ID: <20211012195740.Horde.MsmAmwyFNffoOWhlVFRRnWd@www14.qth.com>

I can confirm that updating to the latest WSJT-X fixes the issue.

I had the some problem, and it was particular to the K3.  I had no delay
with the KX2, for instance.

73,

-- Dave, N8SBE

Quoting James Bennett via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>:

> Hi Folks,
>
> Wondering if someone on the list might be able to solve this one.  
> I?m using a K3 and while CW is my main passion, I do dabble in FT8  
> occasionally. I?ve noticed that the radio does not start  
> transmitting right at the start of the 15 second FT8 cycle. It will  
> start anywhere from 2 - 5 seconds into the cycle. I can?t help but  
> think that is not a good thing and could be the cause of an  
> occasional missed QSO. I DO make QSOs but this kinda bothers me. The  
> audio signals are delayed this amount of time, as is the red TX  
> light coming on - I am using VOX . Same thing happens when I press  
> the TUNE button - it takes anywhere from 2-5 seconds for the rig to  
> go into transmit mode.
>
> I really doubt it is due to computer overload, as the only  
> applications running are WSJT-X, MacLoggerDX (my logging program),  
> and JT-Bridge  - all other applications have been ended. Since this  
> happens when I press TUNE, that pretty much eliminates JT-Bridge and  
> MacLoggerDX as the cause. Some hardware and software specifics:
>
> Mac mini, 32 GB RAM, 3GHz processor, 6 cores, Intel Core i5.
> Mac OS Big Sur 11.5
> WSJT-X 2.4.0
> Audio Interface: Tascam US-125M external USB device
> Values in the DT column are consistently about 0.1 - 0.4
>
> Wasn?t sure if I should post this here or on the WSJT-X list, but I  
> thought I?d start here. Any ideas?
>
>
> Jim / K7TXA
> Eagle, ID
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From rcrgs at verizon.net  Wed Oct 13 18:52:49 2021
From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert Strickland)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 22:52:49 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Headphones for Hearing Loss
In-Reply-To: <EA34697E-2890-4870-AD9A-FAB2476A6473@icloud.com>
References: <EA34697E-2890-4870-AD9A-FAB2476A6473@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <5914ce35-003a-3cbc-e46a-13f3e2bc24b7@verizon.net>

I have ReSound hearing aids with a BlueTooth receive capability. They 
link up with my iPhone automatically. Can I buy a generic BlueTooth 
transmitter, plug it into my K3s and have the same type of hassle free 
link, or are there compatibility technical issues about which I am 
unaware? Thanks for info and opinions.

...robert KE2WY

On 26 Jan 2021 16:22, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
> I have severe high-frequency hearing loss, up to 85 dB at 6-8KHz and 60 dB at 3-4KHz.  Lower than that my hearing is close to normal for my age.  I use hearing aids and the style I have won?t work with headphones.  I have the equalizer on the KX2 set to boost the highs, OK with an external amp & speaker but it is not enough with the headphones I have.  Any experience/recommendations with headphones that have a built-in equalizer or treble boost?  SSB operator.  (KX2 #3007, KXPA100 #2802)
> 
> Keeping Watch-
> shu
> 
> Joe Shuman, NZ8P
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Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY
rcrgs at verizon.net.usa
Syracuse, New York, USA

From jerry at tr2.com  Wed Oct 13 19:01:47 2021
From: jerry at tr2.com (jerry)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 16:01:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Headphones for Hearing Loss
In-Reply-To: <5914ce35-003a-3cbc-e46a-13f3e2bc24b7@verizon.net>
References: <EA34697E-2890-4870-AD9A-FAB2476A6473@icloud.com>
	<5914ce35-003a-3cbc-e46a-13f3e2bc24b7@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <2e85401d2ac143c503c1a7ec02f82867@tr2.com>

I tried this.  On CW, no go.  Too much delay in the bluetooth.  I could 
not send.

                - Jerry KF6VB


On 2021-10-13 15:52, Robert Strickland via Elecraft wrote:
> I have ReSound hearing aids with a BlueTooth receive capability. They
> link up with my iPhone automatically. Can I buy a generic BlueTooth
> transmitter, plug it into my K3s and have the same type of hassle free
> link, or are there compatibility technical issues about which I am
> unaware? Thanks for info and opinions.
> 
> ...robert KE2WY
> 
> On 26 Jan 2021 16:22, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
>> I have severe high-frequency hearing loss, up to 85 dB at 6-8KHz and 
>> 60 dB at 3-4KHz.  Lower than that my hearing is close to normal for my 
>> age.  I use hearing aids and the style I have won?t work with 
>> headphones.  I have the equalizer on the KX2 set to boost the highs, 
>> OK with an external amp & speaker but it is not enough with the 
>> headphones I have.  Any experience/recommendations with headphones 
>> that have a built-in equalizer or treble boost?  SSB operator.  (KX2 
>> #3007, KXPA100 #2802)
>> 
>> Keeping Watch-
>> shu
>> 
>> Joe Shuman, NZ8P
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Oct 13 19:24:53 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 16:24:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Headphones for Hearing Loss
In-Reply-To: <2e85401d2ac143c503c1a7ec02f82867@tr2.com>
References: <EA34697E-2890-4870-AD9A-FAB2476A6473@icloud.com>
	<5914ce35-003a-3cbc-e46a-13f3e2bc24b7@verizon.net>
	<2e85401d2ac143c503c1a7ec02f82867@tr2.com>
Message-ID: <5e069a1c-868d-02aa-530a-05d5c309d358@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/13/2021 4:01 PM, jerry wrote:
> I tried this.? On CW, no go.? Too much delay in the bluetooth.? I could 
> not send.

Yes, this a deal-killer if you're a CW op, and it can be a bit 
disconcerting (although not nearly as bad) if you also monitor your SSB 
signal.

Several suggestions.

First, one that works for K6DGW, who mostly works CW and has a lot of 
hearing loss. Set RXEQ with maximum cut for the 3 lowest bands (50, 100, 
200) and cut at least 6 dB on the 4th (400 Hz). Set the highest bands 
for max boost. Depending on what note you like for CW, play with the 400 
Hz band.

If your aids use mics that are in or behind the ear, try headphones that 
surround the ear to see if they will work for you. I don't wear aids, 
but my XYL has Resounds and likes them. If you haven't already bought 
aids, I suspect, but do not know, that a mic in the ear might work best. 
Sony MDR7506 or even the Yamaha CM500 should probably work with in-ear 
mics unless they cause feedback, but that could be fixed by a programmed 
setting that reduces gain.

73, Jim K9YC


From kwidelitz at gmail.com  Wed Oct 13 20:33:49 2021
From: kwidelitz at gmail.com (Ken Widelitz)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 17:33:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Headphones for Hearing Loss
In-Reply-To: <5914ce35-003a-3cbc-e46a-13f3e2bc24b7@verizon.net>
References: <EA34697E-2890-4870-AD9A-FAB2476A6473@icloud.com>
	<5914ce35-003a-3cbc-e46a-13f3e2bc24b7@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CABs+SNC9fCDxVzOzkz_OkkYbARhvgPkAPNv5LmD9P6PAS-WJpA@mail.gmail.com>

The Heil PRAS works extremely well for me.

73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 3:54 PM Robert Strickland via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> I have ReSound hearing aids with a BlueTooth receive capability. They
> link up with my iPhone automatically. Can I buy a generic BlueTooth
> transmitter, plug it into my K3s and have the same type of hassle free
> link, or are there compatibility technical issues about which I am
> unaware? Thanks for info and opinions.
>
> ...robert KE2WY
>
> On 26 Jan 2021 16:22, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
> > I have severe high-frequency hearing loss, up to 85 dB at 6-8KHz and 60
> dB at 3-4KHz.  Lower than that my hearing is close to normal for my age.  I
> use hearing aids and the style I have won?t work with headphones.  I have
> the equalizer on the KX2 set to boost the highs, OK with an external amp &
> speaker but it is not enough with the headphones I have.  Any
> experience/recommendations with headphones that have a built-in equalizer
> or treble boost?  SSB operator.  (KX2 #3007, KXPA100 #2802)
> >
> > Keeping Watch-
> > shu
> >
> > Joe Shuman, NZ8P
> > ______________________________________________________________
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>
> --
> Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY
> rcrgs at verizon.net.usa
> Syracuse, New York, USA
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From n6zw at comcast.net  Wed Oct 13 22:23:32 2021
From: n6zw at comcast.net (MIKE ZANE)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 19:23:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Amplified headphones
Message-ID: <526304501.522771.1634178212799@connect.xfinity.com>

I use BEATS amplified over the ear with my in-ear aids. No feedback and tdhe sound is very good. BTW my aids are free through the VA. 73, Mike n6zw

From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Thu Oct 14 00:04:26 2021
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 07:04:26 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Headphones for Hearing Loss
In-Reply-To: <5914ce35-003a-3cbc-e46a-13f3e2bc24b7@verizon.net>
References: <EA34697E-2890-4870-AD9A-FAB2476A6473@icloud.com>
	<5914ce35-003a-3cbc-e46a-13f3e2bc24b7@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <571644db-8b5d-3b1f-c7b9-922ad0a9e2a0@gmail.com>

I also tried with the device Resound sells. It just didn't work very 
well for CW, even though I asked the audiologist to program my aids to 
not try to suppress tones around 500 Hz. I didn't check the delay, 
because the sound was too weak to be usable. Worked great for TV, 
though. Ultimately I returned it.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
CWops #5
Formerly K2VCO
https://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 14/10/2021 1:52, Robert Strickland via Elecraft wrote:
> I have ReSound hearing aids with a BlueTooth receive capability. They 
> link up with my iPhone automatically. Can I buy a generic BlueTooth 
> transmitter, plug it into my K3s and have the same type of hassle free 
> link, or are there compatibility technical issues about which I am 
> unaware? Thanks for info and opinions.
>
> ...robert KE2WY
>
> On 26 Jan 2021 16:22, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
>> I have severe high-frequency hearing loss, up to 85 dB at 6-8KHz and 
>> 60 dB at 3-4KHz.? Lower than that my hearing is close to normal for 
>> my age.? I use hearing aids and the style I have won?t work with 
>> headphones.? I have the equalizer on the KX2 set to boost the highs, 
>> OK with an external amp & speaker but it is not enough with the 
>> headphones I have.? Any experience/recommendations with headphones 
>> that have a built-in equalizer or treble boost?? SSB operator.? (KX2 
>> #3007, KXPA100 #2802)
>>
>> Keeping Watch-
>> shu
>>
>> Joe Shuman, NZ8P
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From elelist984 at elitemail.org  Thu Oct 14 00:18:31 2021
From: elelist984 at elitemail.org (elelist984 at elitemail.org)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 15:18:31 +1100
Subject: [Elecraft] Headphones for Hearing Loss
In-Reply-To: <571644db-8b5d-3b1f-c7b9-922ad0a9e2a0@gmail.com>
References: <EA34697E-2890-4870-AD9A-FAB2476A6473@icloud.com>
	<5914ce35-003a-3cbc-e46a-13f3e2bc24b7@verizon.net>
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I have Phonak aids that are bluetooth enabled.  Headphones over these tends to cause feedback howl.  For me, the direct connection to my receiver via bluetooth works well.  I have a bluetooth dongle that plugs into the xcvr audio output.  The dongle cost me about AUD14.00.  I paired it with my aids and it is good.

vy 73
Kevin VK3DAP / ZL2DAP

On Thu, 14 Oct 2021, at 15:04, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote:
> I also tried with the device Resound sells. It just didn't work very 
> well for CW, even though I asked the audiologist to program my aids to 
> not try to suppress tones around 500 Hz. I didn't check the delay, 
> because the sound was too weak to be usable. Worked great for TV, 
> though. Ultimately I returned it.
>
> 73,
> Victor, 4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> CWops #5
> Formerly K2VCO
> https://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>
> On 14/10/2021 1:52, Robert Strickland via Elecraft wrote:
>> I have ReSound hearing aids with a BlueTooth receive capability. They 
>> link up with my iPhone automatically. Can I buy a generic BlueTooth 
>> transmitter, plug it into my K3s and have the same type of hassle free 
>> link, or are there compatibility technical issues about which I am 
>> unaware? Thanks for info and opinions.
>>
>> ...robert KE2WY
>>
>> On 26 Jan 2021 16:22, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
>>> I have severe high-frequency hearing loss, up to 85 dB at 6-8KHz and 
>>> 60 dB at 3-4KHz.? Lower than that my hearing is close to normal for 
>>> my age.? I use hearing aids and the style I have won?t work with 
>>> headphones.? I have the equalizer on the KX2 set to boost the highs, 
>>> OK with an external amp & speaker but it is not enough with the 
>>> headphones I have.? Any experience/recommendations with headphones 
>>> that have a built-in equalizer or treble boost?? SSB operator.? (KX2 
>>> #3007, KXPA100 #2802)
>>>
>>> Keeping Watch-
>>> shu
>>>
>>> Joe Shuman, NZ8P
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>>> Message delivered to rcrgs at verizon.net
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>>
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From julia at juliatuttle.net  Thu Oct 14 00:58:16 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 00:58:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Headphones for Hearing Loss
In-Reply-To: <c34aa143-98dc-458b-b68a-b8d49fe234ba@www.fastmail.com>
References: <EA34697E-2890-4870-AD9A-FAB2476A6473@icloud.com>
	<5914ce35-003a-3cbc-e46a-13f3e2bc24b7@verizon.net>
	<571644db-8b5d-3b1f-c7b9-922ad0a9e2a0@gmail.com>
	<c34aa143-98dc-458b-b68a-b8d49fe234ba@www.fastmail.com>
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Hi Kevin,

Which dongle is that? Low-latency Bluetooth transmitters are hard to come
by and the specific model might be useful to others.

73,

Julie


On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 00:19 <elelist984 at elitemail.org> wrote:

> I have Phonak aids that are bluetooth enabled.  Headphones over these
> tends to cause feedback howl.  For me, the direct connection to my receiver
> via bluetooth works well.  I have a bluetooth dongle that plugs into the
> xcvr audio output.  The dongle cost me about AUD14.00.  I paired it with my
> aids and it is good.
>
> vy 73
> Kevin VK3DAP / ZL2DAP
>
> On Thu, 14 Oct 2021, at 15:04, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote:
> > I also tried with the device Resound sells. It just didn't work very
> > well for CW, even though I asked the audiologist to program my aids to
> > not try to suppress tones around 500 Hz. I didn't check the delay,
> > because the sound was too weak to be usable. Worked great for TV,
> > though. Ultimately I returned it.
> >
> > 73,
> > Victor, 4X6GP
> > Rehovot, Israel
> > CWops #5
> > Formerly K2VCO
> > https://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
> >
> > On 14/10/2021 1:52, Robert Strickland via Elecraft wrote:
> >> I have ReSound hearing aids with a BlueTooth receive capability. They
> >> link up with my iPhone automatically. Can I buy a generic BlueTooth
> >> transmitter, plug it into my K3s and have the same type of hassle free
> >> link, or are there compatibility technical issues about which I am
> >> unaware? Thanks for info and opinions.
> >>
> >> ...robert KE2WY
> >>
> >> On 26 Jan 2021 16:22, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
> >>> I have severe high-frequency hearing loss, up to 85 dB at 6-8KHz and
> >>> 60 dB at 3-4KHz.  Lower than that my hearing is close to normal for
> >>> my age.  I use hearing aids and the style I have won?t work with
> >>> headphones.  I have the equalizer on the KX2 set to boost the highs,
> >>> OK with an external amp & speaker but it is not enough with the
> >>> headphones I have.  Any experience/recommendations with headphones
> >>> that have a built-in equalizer or treble boost?  SSB operator.  (KX2
> >>> #3007, KXPA100 #2802)
> >>>
> >>> Keeping Watch-
> >>> shu
> >>>
> >>> Joe Shuman, NZ8P
> >>> ______________________________________________________________
> >>> Elecraft mailing list
> >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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> >>>
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> >>> Message delivered to rcrgs at verizon.net
> >>>
> >>
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From elelist984 at elitemail.org  Thu Oct 14 02:02:05 2021
From: elelist984 at elitemail.org (elelist984 at elitemail.org)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 17:02:05 +1100
Subject: [Elecraft] Headphones for Hearing Loss
In-Reply-To: <CAEVEBrNy=SN9ct9gmznAPXy=FhjnPCEEHn-rtX5tMqAtq537-A@mail.gmail.com>
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	<5914ce35-003a-3cbc-e46a-13f3e2bc24b7@verizon.net>
	<571644db-8b5d-3b1f-c7b9-922ad0a9e2a0@gmail.com>
	<c34aa143-98dc-458b-b68a-b8d49fe234ba@www.fastmail.com>
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The bluetooth dongle is branded Taotronics on one side, and on the other, "Wireless 2-in-1 Adapter Model TT-BA08 Input 5 v 280 mA FCCID:2AFDGBAXX Made in China"

73 all
Kevin VK3DAP / ZL2DAP

On Thu, 14 Oct 2021, at 15:58, Julia Tuttle wrote:
> Hi Kevin,
> 
> Which dongle is that? Low-latency Bluetooth transmitters are hard to come by and the specific model might be useful to others.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Julie
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 00:19 <elelist984 at elitemail.org> wrote:
>> I have Phonak aids that are bluetooth enabled.  Headphones over these tends to cause feedback howl.  For me, the direct connection to my receiver via bluetooth works well.  I have a bluetooth dongle that plugs into the xcvr audio output.  The dongle cost me about AUD14.00.  I paired it with my aids and it is good.
>> 
>> vy 73
>> Kevin VK3DAP / ZL2DAP
>> 
>> On Thu, 14 Oct 2021, at 15:04, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote:
>> > I also tried with the device Resound sells. It just didn't work very 
>> > well for CW, even though I asked the audiologist to program my aids to 
>> > not try to suppress tones around 500 Hz. I didn't check the delay, 
>> > because the sound was too weak to be usable. Worked great for TV, 
>> > though. Ultimately I returned it.
>> >
>> > 73,
>> > Victor, 4X6GP
>> > Rehovot, Israel
>> > CWops #5
>> > Formerly K2VCO
>> > https://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>> >
>> > On 14/10/2021 1:52, Robert Strickland via Elecraft wrote:
>> >> I have ReSound hearing aids with a BlueTooth receive capability. They 
>> >> link up with my iPhone automatically. Can I buy a generic BlueTooth 
>> >> transmitter, plug it into my K3s and have the same type of hassle free 
>> >> link, or are there compatibility technical issues about which I am 
>> >> unaware? Thanks for info and opinions.
>> >>
>> >> ...robert KE2WY
>> >>
>> >> On 26 Jan 2021 16:22, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
>> >>> I have severe high-frequency hearing loss, up to 85 dB at 6-8KHz and 
>> >>> 60 dB at 3-4KHz.  Lower than that my hearing is close to normal for 
>> >>> my age.  I use hearing aids and the style I have won?t work with 
>> >>> headphones.  I have the equalizer on the KX2 set to boost the highs, 
>> >>> OK with an external amp & speaker but it is not enough with the 
>> >>> headphones I have.  Any experience/recommendations with headphones 
>> >>> that have a built-in equalizer or treble boost?  SSB operator.  (KX2 
>> >>> #3007, KXPA100 #2802)
>> >>>
>> >>> Keeping Watch-
>> >>> shu
>> >>>
>> >>> Joe Shuman, NZ8P
>> >>> ______________________________________________________________
>> >>> Elecraft mailing list
>> >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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>> >>> Message delivered to rcrgs at verizon.net
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>> >>
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From elelist984 at elitemail.org  Thu Oct 14 02:37:35 2021
From: elelist984 at elitemail.org (elelist984 at elitemail.org)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 17:37:35 +1100
Subject: [Elecraft] Headphones for Hearing Loss
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	<5914ce35-003a-3cbc-e46a-13f3e2bc24b7@verizon.net>
	<571644db-8b5d-3b1f-c7b9-922ad0a9e2a0@gmail.com>
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Further to my recent email, here is an URL for usage instructions for the Taotronics dongle.  https://www.taotronics.com/pages/how-to-use-taotronics-wireless-transmitter-adapter   Prices are now around $30

Kevin (Elec eng gone bad - I got sucked into IT, the last refuge of scoundrels)

On Thu, 14 Oct 2021, at 17:02, elelist984 at elitemail.org wrote:
> The bluetooth dongle is branded Taotronics on one side, and on the other, "Wireless 2-in-1 Adapter Model TT-BA08 Input 5 v 280 mA FCCID:2AFDGBAXX Made in China"
> 
> 73 all
> Kevin VK3DAP / ZL2DAP
> 
> On Thu, 14 Oct 2021, at 15:58, Julia Tuttle wrote:
>> Hi Kevin,
>> 
>> Which dongle is that? Low-latency Bluetooth transmitters are hard to come by and the specific model might be useful to others.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Julie
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 00:19 <elelist984 at elitemail.org> wrote:
>>> I have Phonak aids that are bluetooth enabled.  Headphones over these tends to cause feedback howl.  For me, the direct connection to my receiver via bluetooth works well.  I have a bluetooth dongle that plugs into the xcvr audio output.  The dongle cost me about AUD14.00.  I paired it with my aids and it is good.
>>> 
>>> vy 73
>>> Kevin VK3DAP / ZL2DAP
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 14 Oct 2021, at 15:04, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote:
>>> > I also tried with the device Resound sells. It just didn't work very 
>>> > well for CW, even though I asked the audiologist to program my aids to 
>>> > not try to suppress tones around 500 Hz. I didn't check the delay, 
>>> > because the sound was too weak to be usable. Worked great for TV, 
>>> > though. Ultimately I returned it.
>>> >
>>> > 73,
>>> > Victor, 4X6GP
>>> > Rehovot, Israel
>>> > CWops #5
>>> > Formerly K2VCO
>>> > https://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>>> >
>>> > On 14/10/2021 1:52, Robert Strickland via Elecraft wrote:
>>> >> I have ReSound hearing aids with a BlueTooth receive capability. They 
>>> >> link up with my iPhone automatically. Can I buy a generic BlueTooth 
>>> >> transmitter, plug it into my K3s and have the same type of hassle free 
>>> >> link, or are there compatibility technical issues about which I am 
>>> >> unaware? Thanks for info and opinions.
>>> >>
>>> >> ...robert KE2WY
>>> >>
>>> >> On 26 Jan 2021 16:22, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
>>> >>> I have severe high-frequency hearing loss, up to 85 dB at 6-8KHz and 
>>> >>> 60 dB at 3-4KHz.  Lower than that my hearing is close to normal for 
>>> >>> my age.  I use hearing aids and the style I have won?t work with 
>>> >>> headphones.  I have the equalizer on the KX2 set to boost the highs, 
>>> >>> OK with an external amp & speaker but it is not enough with the 
>>> >>> headphones I have.  Any experience/recommendations with headphones 
>>> >>> that have a built-in equalizer or treble boost?  SSB operator.  (KX2 
>>> >>> #3007, KXPA100 #2802)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Keeping Watch-
>>> >>> shu
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Joe Shuman, NZ8P
>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> >>> Elecraft mailing list
>>> >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>> >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>>> >>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Oct 14 03:55:04 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 00:55:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Headphones for Hearing Loss
In-Reply-To: <c34aa143-98dc-458b-b68a-b8d49fe234ba@www.fastmail.com>
References: <EA34697E-2890-4870-AD9A-FAB2476A6473@icloud.com>
	<5914ce35-003a-3cbc-e46a-13f3e2bc24b7@verizon.net>
	<571644db-8b5d-3b1f-c7b9-922ad0a9e2a0@gmail.com>
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On 10/13/2021 9:18 PM, elelist984 at elitemail.org wrote:
> Headphones over these tends to cause feedback howl.  

If your aids have programmable settings that you can select from a menu, 
feedback could be eliminated by reducing gain when wearing phones.

> For me, the direct connection to my receiver via bluetooth works well.  

Does it work well for sending CW from a paddle? THAT'S the problem with 
the latency many digital systems, including Bluetooth.

73, Jim K9YC

From w0eb at cox.net  Thu Oct 14 08:40:49 2021
From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 12:40:49 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - blank screen - won't start won't shut off
Message-ID: <em3896dc2b-5605-4728-88c8-0fdcfb045c1b@jimsdesktop-pc>

Turned on my K3s this morning and got a blank screen.  Could not turn it 
off after that without removing power.  Haven't opened it up yet, just 
wondering if anyone has encountered this and can suggest a good place to 
start troubleshooting before bothering Elecraft's Tech Support with it.

Jim Sheldon, W0EB


From ardrhi at gmail.com  Wed Oct 13 20:41:57 2021
From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 20:41:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Headphones for Hearing Loss
In-Reply-To: <5e069a1c-868d-02aa-530a-05d5c309d358@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <EA34697E-2890-4870-AD9A-FAB2476A6473@icloud.com>
	<5914ce35-003a-3cbc-e46a-13f3e2bc24b7@verizon.net>
	<2e85401d2ac143c503c1a7ec02f82867@tr2.com>
	<5e069a1c-868d-02aa-530a-05d5c309d358@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <CA+nQa2OFo3oZc6+fAr8v5mExfipWuCjvzVGCBBp==hpS=1tA2w@mail.gmail.com>

You would need the most recent BLE 5.0 or above, with low latency support.
Then the delay is perhaps small enough that it won't make you crazy. I have
a Bluetooth transmitter in my bag to plug into devices that don't have
Bluetooth support, but I haven't used it for CW. Simple enough to use,
though. Plug it into the Aux or headphone jack. Pair with it, and it works.

This one is similar to mine, and has the APTX low latency BT 5.0.

Golvery Bluetooth 5.0 Transmitter Receiver for TV, Aptx LL/FS 40ms Wireless
Audio Adapter for Home Car Stereo PC CD Radio Xbox PS4 w/ 3.5mm RCA AUX
Jack, Pair 2 Headphones, No Delay, Plug n Play
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N4GK874/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_ECM6DF18ZAFRT3V5RAG1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

You MIGHT want to use this with a splitter, so your can send the audio to
another device.

73,
Gwen, NG3P

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021, 7:25 PM Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:

> On 10/13/2021 4:01 PM, jerry wrote:
> > I tried this.  On CW, no go.  Too much delay in the bluetooth.  I could
> > not send.
>
> Yes, this a deal-killer if you're a CW op, and it can be a bit
> disconcerting (although not nearly as bad) if you also monitor your SSB
> signal.
>
> Several suggestions.
>
> First, one that works for K6DGW, who mostly works CW and has a lot of
> hearing loss. Set RXEQ with maximum cut for the 3 lowest bands (50, 100,
> 200) and cut at least 6 dB on the 4th (400 Hz). Set the highest bands
> for max boost. Depending on what note you like for CW, play with the 400
> Hz band.
>
> If your aids use mics that are in or behind the ear, try headphones that
> surround the ear to see if they will work for you. I don't wear aids,
> but my XYL has Resounds and likes them. If you haven't already bought
> aids, I suspect, but do not know, that a mic in the ear might work best.
> Sony MDR7506 or even the Yamaha CM500 should probably work with in-ear
> mics unless they cause feedback, but that could be fixed by a programmed
> setting that reduces gain.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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From keith at elecraft.com  Thu Oct 14 15:13:03 2021
From: keith at elecraft.com (Keith Trinity WE6R)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 12:13:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - blank screen - won't start won't shut off W0EB
Message-ID: <5714d7b9-84f3-5fa3-5e7b-43ecd3dc8066@elecraft.com>

Hi Jim;
First, do NOT try loading FW, don't do a Parameter-Reset (EE-INIT) when 
it is in this state.

1. Check the right side of the radio, it should be warm not hot.
If hot, then the 5 or 8 volt regulator is working too hard, either a 
short or itself is bad.

2. More likely, C102 on the FP (Front Panel) is shorting the 5Volts for 
the Contrast.
One end of C102 should have close to 5V.
You can reach this by just taking the top cover off!
It is on the rear side of the FP board at the top, directly behind the 
top left corner of the LCD.
It is our part# E530223. ? 10 uF,10V,20%,CERM,0805,SMD. Panasonic 
ECJ-2FF1A106Z.? Digikey PCC2233TR-ND.
Keith WE6R Elecraft K3/K4 Tech.




From cowchip at ca.rr.com  Thu Oct 14 15:30:09 2021
From: cowchip at ca.rr.com (Don Minkoff)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 12:30:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 For Sale
Message-ID: <6667f28d-01a0-b90b-6aab-500eee3b3e99@ca.rr.com>

I am listing this for a friend.

    P3 Panadaptor, S/N 996 in excellent physical and operating
    condition. ?Does _NOT have _?SVGA or TX monitor. ?Original manual
    and required cables included. ?Power cable connects to D.C. output
    of K3/K3s. ?I no longer have a need for this great accessory. ?Price
    is $825. shipped CONUS. ?Payment via Zelle or USPS money order.
     ?Paypal fee extra. Thank you.

    Contact Len, K6LEN.? k6len at arrl.net

-- 
Don Minkoff
NK6A


From e.evans1369 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 14 16:26:43 2021
From: e.evans1369 at gmail.com (Main)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 16:26:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500
Message-ID: <C340821B-B58A-4A1C-8321-472D64072B37@gmail.com>

Looking for a KAT500 preferably with Yaesu FTDX3000 cables. Thanks 

Eric J Evans
ARS K4NDN 


From forums at david-woolley.me.uk  Thu Oct 14 18:08:22 2021
From: forums at david-woolley.me.uk (David Woolley)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 23:08:22 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Headphones for Hearing Loss
In-Reply-To: <5e069a1c-868d-02aa-530a-05d5c309d358@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <EA34697E-2890-4870-AD9A-FAB2476A6473@icloud.com>
	<5914ce35-003a-3cbc-e46a-13f3e2bc24b7@verizon.net>
	<2e85401d2ac143c503c1a7ec02f82867@tr2.com>
	<5e069a1c-868d-02aa-530a-05d5c309d358@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <9806f5de-17a3-cef2-787d-a7d1359c8d28@david-woolley.me.uk>

I'm not sure that boosting high frequencies (assuming you have simple, 
age related, type losses) is really a safe thing to do.  Whilst hearing 
aids do this, they also apply dynamic range compression, to minimise the 
additional hearing damage caused by the aid for loud sources.

Incidentally, the standard correction applied by hearing aids is 
approximately half the number of dB's of loss.  They don't try to fully 
cancel the loss.

-- 
David Woolley

On 14/10/2021 00:24, Jim Brown wrote:
> 
> First, one that works for K6DGW, who mostly works CW and has a lot of 
> hearing loss. Set RXEQ with maximum cut for the 3 lowest bands (50, 100, 
> 200) and cut at least 6 dB on the 4th (400 Hz). Set the highest bands 
> for max boost. Depending on what note you like for CW, play with the 400 
> Hz band.


From jackbrindle at me.com  Thu Oct 14 18:12:23 2021
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 17:12:23 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - blank screen - won't start won't shut off
In-Reply-To: <em3896dc2b-5605-4728-88c8-0fdcfb045c1b@jimsdesktop-pc>
References: <em3896dc2b-5605-4728-88c8-0fdcfb045c1b@jimsdesktop-pc>
Message-ID: <B6DD3F33-75B7-4F7D-BE2A-8B1ADA831C89@me.com>

Keith _always_ gives good advice. I would add one thing. Make sure the AUXIO cable is disconnected from the back of the K3 when you do your testing. If it is directly connected to a KPA500 or KPA1500, it just may keep the K3 from shutting down. We don?t remember if the LCD will go blank in this situation, though.

This is why we specify AUXIO cables for the KPAs with pin 8 (the power-on pin) disconnected.

73,
Jack, W6FB

> On Oct 14, 2021, at 7:40 AM, Jim Sheldon <w0eb at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> Turned on my K3s this morning and got a blank screen.  Could not turn it off after that without removing power.  Haven't opened it up yet, just wondering if anyone has encountered this and can suggest a good place to start troubleshooting before bothering Elecraft's Tech Support with it.
> 
> Jim Sheldon, W0EB
> 
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From etksubs at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 13:09:10 2021
From: etksubs at gmail.com (Erik Tkal)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 13:09:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] T1 IC705 interface cable
In-Reply-To: <3000A79A-DF63-41E4-AB95-F316FF5A6F99@elecraft.com>
References: <69334536-4e96-e3dc-a845-96a3b352cb73@earthlink.net>
	<3000A79A-DF63-41E4-AB95-F316FF5A6F99@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <AF7A0E7F-5B9A-40AE-AF63-6BF2458418C2@gmail.com>

Hi Wayne, any news on this?  :-)

  Thanks and 73,
  Erik Tkal  -  W1QED



On Jul 28, 2021, at 16:35, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

Some issues came up during testing. We'll post more details when we get closer.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



> On Jul 28, 2021, at 9:55 AM, Edward Seeliger <eseeliger at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Is there an update on availability of the interface cable to connect the T1 tuner to the Icom IC705?
> Edd - KD5M 
> ______________________________________________________________



From KD7YZ at denstarfarm.us  Fri Oct 15 15:43:00 2021
From: KD7YZ at denstarfarm.us (Bob KD7YZ)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 15:43:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Help getting WSJTx audio out thru K3
Message-ID: <43253601.20211015154300@denstarfarm.us>

Hello K3 List

Just got my K3 back from Elecraft.
Updates past K3s
KSYN33A Upgrade installed.

Now, I haven't had the K3 for about 3 months. But when I went to use WSJTx, FT8, as well as FLDigi, although the rig keys; goes on correct frequency, no audio drive appears at the rig .... nor at the Sound Control panel "Level" of the audio codec.

I can decode the FT8 alright.
 And if I redirect the audio output of FLDigi to sys-speakers, I hear the audio, when trhe rig also keys.

Where is an internal "Config" setting that got reset during the serious re-vamping of my K3?

thanks


--
73,
KD7YZ Bob EM88LL


From elancki at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 15 18:20:33 2021
From: elancki at yahoo.com (Ed)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 22:20:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - blank screen - won't start won't shut off
References: <1920048705.1808418.1634336433331.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1920048705.1808418.1634336433331@mail.yahoo.com>

Our club's K3 has had a similar? problem for several months.? It only occurs when you physically turn the K3 power off from the from the front panel.? The display stays lit, but remains blank.? Pressing the power button has no effect until I turn off the 13.8V supply, and turning it back on.?? When the K3 is turned on using the front panel button, the display works OK until the next time we turn off the power using the front panel.Our club K3 is set up as a remote station using the RemoteHams.com software.? The K3 powers on and off just fine when done from the remote client software.It seems like a 5V regulator problem would affect the display all the time, not just when the front panel power button is pressed.Thanks & 73,EdN2BHD



From don at w3fpr.com  Fri Oct 15 20:03:45 2021
From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 20:03:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Help getting WSJTx audio out thru K3
In-Reply-To: <43253601.20211015154300@denstarfarm.us>
References: <43253601.20211015154300@denstarfarm.us>
Message-ID: <add19968-1fc1-04f6-5f42-0c87495dec5d@w3fpr.com>

Bob,

Go to my webpage www.w3fpr.com and read the articular about setting the 
transmit audio levels.
There are up to 3 sound level controls involved, 2 in the computer and 
one in the K3.

If you are using the MIC input, there are 2 levels - high output mics 
and low output mics.? Your audio soundcard should be able to use the 
high output setting, but if it was reset to the low output mic setting, 
that could explain your problem.

Strive for 4 bars solid on the ALC bargraph with the 5th bar flashing.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/15/2021 3:43 PM, Bob KD7YZ wrote:
> Hello K3 List
>
> Just got my K3 back from Elecraft.
> Updates past K3s
> KSYN33A Upgrade installed.
>
> Now, I haven't had the K3 for about 3 months. But when I went to use WSJTx, FT8, as well as FLDigi, although the rig keys; goes on correct frequency, no audio drive appears at the rig .... nor at the Sound Control panel "Level" of the audio codec.
>
> I can decode the FT8 alright.
>   And if I redirect the audio output of FLDigi to sys-speakers, I hear the audio, when trhe rig also keys.
>
> Where is an internal "Config" setting that got reset during the serious re-vamping of my K3?
>
> thanks
>


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Oct 15 20:51:41 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 17:51:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Help getting WSJTx audio out thru K3
In-Reply-To: <add19968-1fc1-04f6-5f42-0c87495dec5d@w3fpr.com>
References: <43253601.20211015154300@denstarfarm.us>
	<add19968-1fc1-04f6-5f42-0c87495dec5d@w3fpr.com>
Message-ID: <d3994d7e-7e74-b3fa-7b79-e1abfad17c4e@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/15/2021 5:03 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Your audio soundcard should be able to use the high output setting,

I almost never disagree with Don's advice, but I will this this time. In 
general, computers and external audio interfaces should use the radio's 
LINE Input and Output, which are designed for this signal level.

When the LINE input is selected, the knob that works as Mic Gain becomes 
Line Input Gain.

73, Jim K9YC

From wwcombs at icloud.com  Fri Oct 15 21:24:37 2021
From: wwcombs at icloud.com (William Combs)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 21:24:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] IC-705 interface cable for T1
Message-ID: <9D71E4EB-1ECC-4456-835C-A1F703D05FAA@icloud.com>

Is there any word on the previously mentioned IC-705 interface for the T1? I wonder if Elecraft is still planning to produce it.
----
Bill
W8BC




From kb1awm at arrl.net  Fri Oct 15 22:22:28 2021
From: kb1awm at arrl.net (Greg Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 22:22:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] IC-705 interface cable for T1
In-Reply-To: <9D71E4EB-1ECC-4456-835C-A1F703D05FAA@icloud.com>
References: <9D71E4EB-1ECC-4456-835C-A1F703D05FAA@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CABVtLDDCS02xJZ57gANxhE2reXS6ReMUOf_SXDeUyCTrchyLOQ@mail.gmail.com>

Not an elecraft, but an option:
https://qrper.com/2020/11/curt-builds-an-icom-ic-705-control-interface-for-his-elecraft-t1-atu/

On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 9:25 PM William Combs via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Is there any word on the previously mentioned IC-705 interface for the T1?
> I wonder if Elecraft is still planning to produce it.
> ----
> Bill
> W8BC
>
>
>
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From john.regner at gmail.com  Sat Oct 16 13:01:50 2021
From: john.regner at gmail.com (John Regner)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 13:01:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Need a PTT from my K2/100.
Message-ID: <CAD2-+8U8B9XgYySA8Cc-Sgr4+zKo-j=25kXzizm9Gust07cr5g@mail.gmail.com>

I just purchased a new amp (HLA 305) and began hooking up amp. Read the
instructions in the manual and it stated that if there was no PTT, to
change the VOX setting to "on" which I did. I attempted to TX and there is
no response from the amp. I called DX Engineering and was told that the PTT
must be used to trigger the amp.
OK - so where does one find the PTT from a K2/100?
John N2AQR

From jerry at tr2.com  Sat Oct 16 13:18:52 2021
From: jerry at tr2.com (jerry)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:18:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Need a PTT from my K2/100.
In-Reply-To: <CAD2-+8U8B9XgYySA8Cc-Sgr4+zKo-j=25kXzizm9Gust07cr5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD2-+8U8B9XgYySA8Cc-Sgr4+zKo-j=25kXzizm9Gust07cr5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f28708241ee02fd62627fbb762276511@tr2.com>

The PTT output is an RCA jack next to the power connection.  There is an 
internal
MOSFET that pulls it to ground on transmit.  It can sink up to 1A, and 
tolerate up to
200V.   It can only switch POSITIVE relay voltage.  So if you have an 
old tube amp
that has a negative bias/relay voltage - like, say, a 30L-1, you'd have 
to put some sort
of intermediate relay or switch.

                     - Jerry KF6VB



On 2021-10-16 10:01, John Regner wrote:
> I just purchased a new amp (HLA 305) and began hooking up amp. Read the
> instructions in the manual and it stated that if there was no PTT, to
> change the VOX setting to "on" which I did. I attempted to TX and there 
> is
> no response from the amp. I called DX Engineering and was told that the 
> PTT
> must be used to trigger the amp.
> OK - so where does one find the PTT from a K2/100?
> John N2AQR
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From KD7YZ at denstarfarm.us  Sat Oct 16 14:29:07 2021
From: KD7YZ at denstarfarm.us (Bob KD7YZ)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 14:29:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with Leo Bodnar Precision GPS Reference Clock #REFCAL
Message-ID: <7710497298.20211016142907@denstarfarm.us>

Hello K3 List

Asc mentioned, I had my K3 re-worked  to bring it totally up today, including 630m.

After some help help from here, I am now operational.

So I just plugged my Leo B Precision GPS Reference Clock (dual) into the ref-cal plug

It's set for 10-megs

It "seems" to me I "used" to see the Ref*Call pulsating. It's been 3 or 4 months since I looked, or had  the rig.

Now I just see " Ref Cal" , in Config.

Did I forget to set something ?
Or is there a newer firmware in the K3 that alters how ref-cal works?

again, thanks. I am old.
--
73,
KD7YZ Bob EM88LL


From julia at juliatuttle.net  Sat Oct 16 17:51:45 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 17:51:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] NR stops after ATU TUNE on KX3
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrOZtTh95WMJkrRye=AFb5rURPyofGCu4j0Xd-oDiz=67Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I have NR turned on on my KX3. When I do an ATU TUNE, "NR" stays on the
display, but the noise reduction isn't actually happening. If I turn NR off
and on again, it works again.

Known bug?

73,

Julie

From knowkode at verizon.net  Sat Oct 16 19:57:29 2021
From: knowkode at verizon.net (knowkode at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 23:57:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPod and K3
References: <619351643.3801536.1634428649892.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <619351643.3801536.1634428649892@mail.yahoo.com>

Greetings all,
Is there a way to match the encoder speed between the KPod and the K3? The KPod adjusts the VFO half as much as the K3 (SN18xx) per revolution of the dial.
Tnx,Jim, W5QM

From pa5kt at remijn.net  Sat Oct 16 21:25:00 2021
From: pa5kt at remijn.net (Henk PA5KT)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 03:25:00 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with Leo Bodnar Precision GPS Reference Clock
 #REFCAL
In-Reply-To: <7710497298.20211016142907@denstarfarm.us>
References: <7710497298.20211016142907@denstarfarm.us>
Message-ID: <879c2a02-1414-8daa-19ea-149f8c1dfa70@remijn.net>

 From the firmware release notes:

* K3EXREF USERS MUST NOW ENABLE THE MODULE IN THE MENU: To do this, 
locate the CONFIG:REF CAL menu entry and tap 2 to change the setting; 
flashes XREF IN or XREFOUT. If you DO NOT have a K3EXREF module 
installed, use the XREFOUT setting (the default). If you use the XREF IN 
setting without a K3EXREF module installed, you may hear digital 
switching noise on the 6-meter band.


73 Henk PA5KT

Op 16-10-2021 om 20:29 schreef Bob KD7YZ:
> Hello K3 List
>
> Asc mentioned, I had my K3 re-worked  to bring it totally up today, including 630m.
>
> After some help help from here, I am now operational.
>
> So I just plugged my Leo B Precision GPS Reference Clock (dual) into the ref-cal plug
>
> It's set for 10-megs
>
> It "seems" to me I "used" to see the Ref*Call pulsating. It's been 3 or 4 months since I looked, or had  the rig.
>
> Now I just see " Ref Cal" , in Config.
>
> Did I forget to set something ?
> Or is there a newer firmware in the K3 that alters how ref-cal works?
>
> again, thanks. I am old.
> --
> 73,
> KD7YZ Bob EM88LL
>
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From bjorn at ekelund.nu  Sat Oct 16 23:13:16 2021
From: bjorn at ekelund.nu (=?UTF-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn_Ekelund?=)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 05:13:16 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] IC-705 interface cable for T1
In-Reply-To: <CABVtLDDCS02xJZ57gANxhE2reXS6ReMUOf_SXDeUyCTrchyLOQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9D71E4EB-1ECC-4456-835C-A1F703D05FAA@icloud.com>
	<CABVtLDDCS02xJZ57gANxhE2reXS6ReMUOf_SXDeUyCTrchyLOQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABmD_KRXD1KUv7AAZirPtAPSyFdNQyCus=xvBQUOdf0kX+e8QA@mail.gmail.com>

I've built one too. It works great. https://sm7iun.se/station/ic705/

Bj?rn SM7IUN

Den l?r 16 okt. 2021 kl 04:23 skrev Greg Mitchell <kb1awm at arrl.net>:

> Not an elecraft, but an option:
>
> https://qrper.com/2020/11/curt-builds-an-icom-ic-705-control-interface-for-his-elecraft-t1-atu/
>
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 9:25 PM William Combs via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
> > Is there any word on the previously mentioned IC-705 interface for the
> T1?
> > I wonder if Elecraft is still planning to produce it.
> > ----
> > Bill
> > W8BC
> >
> >
> >
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sat Oct 16 23:35:15 2021
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevin)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 20:35:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <02881939-0fca-b6c6-9730-d44374669f2f@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? Yesterday began sunny, then the temperature dropped and a layer of 
clouds formed below me.? They created a dense ground fog when they 
rose.? Later I saw a swirl in the mist as a head popped out.? A doe was 
feeding, then scanning the surroundings.? Her head would drop into the 
fog and disappear, only to reappear a few moments later.? This continued 
as another head popped out of the mist.? Her yearling was walking up the 
slope toward the house.

 ?? The sun has quieted.? The recent large sunspot has passed beyond the 
limb.? Hopefully more groups will join it.? Less activity should lead to 
less QSB.? Thunderstorms will provide static.


Please join us on (or near):

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 ? 7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

 ?? 73,
 ????? Kevin. KD5ONS



-


?I tell you,? he replied, ?if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out.?


From elanzl at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct 17 11:48:47 2021
From: elanzl at sbcglobal.net (Eric Lanzl)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 15:48:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Net for October 10th 2021
References: <107363084.463638.1634485727523.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <107363084.463638.1634485727523@mail.yahoo.com>

Here is the list of stations checking in to the October 10th SSB Net. Again, thank you to all the net control stations for helping to log in stations that net control cannot hear. 

SSB Sunday Nets:
20M net 1800Z 14.303.5 alternate 14.310
40M net 1900Z?? 7280Zoom meeting 2000Z contact Carl K8NU for the link80M net?? 0100Z? 3775
Everyone is welcome to join the nets. 
Eric WB9JNZ

Call????????? Name??? State????? Radio??? Serial # QRP???????????????????????????? Notes

WB9JNZ????? Eric?????????? IL????????????? K3???????????? 4017???????? ???????????????????????????????????? NetControl

K1NW????????? Brian???????? RI????????????? K3???????????? 4974???????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation 

AE6JV???????? Bill??????????? NH??????????? K3???????????? 6299???????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation 

N6JW?????????? John????????? CA??????????? K3???????????? 936?????????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation 

NC0JW??????? Jim??????????? CO??????????? KX3????????? 1356???????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation 

WM6P????????? Steve???????? GA??????????? K3S?????????? 11453?????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation 

K5PD?????????? Pete?????????? TX??????????? K3???????????? 545?????????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

N2TNQ??????? Len??????????? NJ???????????? K3???????????? 5270???????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

N6PGQ??????? Bob?????????? CA??????????? K3???????????? 5891???????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

K6FW????????? Frank???????? CA??????????? K3S?????????? 11672?????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

KK5LD??????? Dan?????????? TX??????????? K2/10??????? 2221???????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

KO5V????????? Jim??????????? NM?????????? K2/100????? 7225???????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

NS7P??????????? Phil??????????? OR??????????? K3???????????? 1826???????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

ZL1PWD????? Peter????????? NZ??????????? K3???????????? 139?????????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

W3SA????????? John????????? NC??????????? Kenwood?? TS 890????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

K7BRR??????? Bill??????????? AZ??????????? YaesuFT?? DX 101MP???????????????????????????????????? ?? ?

K8NU????????? Carl?????????? OH??????????? YaesuFT?? 101DX????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

W4DML?????? Doug???????? TN??????????? K3???????????? 6433???????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

WB8HRO???? Tim?????????? MI???????????? Yaesu?????? ft 450??????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

W9EJB???????? Ed???????????? IN???????????? K3???????????? 1593???????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

K0JFJ?????????? Nick????????? AZ??????????? K3S?????????? 11830?????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

KE7HGE????? Ken?????????? WA?????????? KX3/QRP? 4540???????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

AB0R?????????? Dave???????? MN?????????? K3???????????? 6343???????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

K6VWE?????? Stan?????????? MI???????????? K4???????????? 193?????????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

N7BDL??????? Terry???????? AZ??????????? K3S?????????? 10373?????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

W5NR????????? Rick????????? TX??????????? K3???????????? 2428???????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

KG4RQO???? John????????? FL???????????? K2???????????? 0?????????????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

WN3T????????? Rick????????? VA??????????? Icom????????? 7610???????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

N9SRA???????? Steve???????? IL????????????? Icom????????? 7600???????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

K7JG??????????? John????????? WA?????????? KX3????????? 3519???????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

KG6INS?????? Jared???????? CA??????????? Yaesu??????? 818?????????? ???????????????????????????????????? ?

KG7KKE???? Philip???????? ID???????????? KX2????????? 0?????????????? QRP????????????????????????????? ?

?

From dl9hda at dl9hda.de  Sun Oct 17 16:23:34 2021
From: dl9hda at dl9hda.de (Holger Doerschel)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 22:23:34 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 High SWR with power > 12 W
Message-ID: <e09b1888-6977-2901-c00a-0e50186a9e11@dl9hda.de>

Hello, I would like to refer to these postings. Maybe someone has an idea?

http://elecraft.85.s1.nabble.com/K3-High-SWR-td7648946.html#a7670266

73, Holger DL9HDA

From ve3ids.don at gmail.com  Sun Oct 17 19:09:06 2021
From: ve3ids.don at gmail.com (Don Richards)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 19:09:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Duty or brokerage fees to Canada?
Message-ID: <CAB75c0tpbr7ugNxHFnC+RzdJOYdXzoiQ2EtD-vjGPsyPchTtkw@mail.gmail.com>

I am considering buying a K2 kit and am wondering if any Canadian hams have
recently received any shipments. Did you have any additional charges such
as HST, duty or brokerage fees in addition to the purchase and shipping at
checkout?

Thanks in advance

73 Don ve3ids

From hbjr at optilink.us  Sun Oct 17 22:02:19 2021
From: hbjr at optilink.us (Hank)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 22:02:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and AX1 working great today
Message-ID: <6028f967ab2a074c0d77abf86b5f536e@optilink.us>


Just wanted to mention how my little KX3 keeps impressing me! ?We took the jeep up a rough old FS road to get us near W4G/HC-037 so we could hike the last little bit. ?The old fire tower is still there but slated for demolition. ?I set up the KX3 on a big rock facing down the powerline ROW. ?I attached the AX1 to the rig and laid the counterpoise off down the steep hill. ?I connected the rig to an external LiFePo battery so I could run all 15 watts. ?I spotted myself on 20 meters SSB and made a few calls when F4WBN came back and gave me a good signal report! ?I worked Kansas, New Hampshire, and Minnesota to name a few. ?

I also attached a 1/4 wave whip and counterpoise directly to the KX3 and held it over my head and made a few 2 meter FM contacts on 3 watts- one 5 counties away on another mountain top!

My only disappointment was my little 7.5aHr battery that couldn't keep voltage high enough to run 15 watts and I ended up the day working with only 5 watts. ?It was still a good day in the woods - hiking and 4 wheeling!

Hank
K4HYJ



From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Oct 17 23:30:53 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 20:30:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and AX1 working great today
In-Reply-To: <6028f967ab2a074c0d77abf86b5f536e@optilink.us>
References: <6028f967ab2a074c0d77abf86b5f536e@optilink.us>
Message-ID: <58d1823d-3857-c8a1-8fc6-d761816674c6@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/17/2021 7:02 PM, Hank via Elecraft wrote:
> We took the jeep up a rough old FS road to get us near W4G/HC-037 so we could hike the last little bit.

My KX3 has been up the 3 mile backpacking trail that gains 1,000 ft to 
activate CM79 on 6M at least a dozen times, carried there by six 
different hams. AG6EE's KX3 has been up there as many times, and it's 
been on more than 100 grid activations to high mountain peaks over 
dirt/rock roads, and often miles off-road. I don't remember hearing of 
his having had problems with it, and I've had none with mine.

73, Jim K9YC

From kevinr at coho.net  Mon Oct 18 00:22:42 2021
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevin)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 21:22:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <4c4b5930-610d-cc6a-5c3e-fec27fc52953@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? Conditions were not good.? Twenty meters was noisy and weak. Earlier 
in the day the band was much better.? I was hearing contesters from all 
along the East coast.? It was as if a CME had struck but there was no 
warning on SpaceWeather.com.? Hmm ...? QSB was both slow and fast.? At 
times it sounded like picket fencing on FM.

 ? Forty meters had digital activity.? At first I had to move from an 
RTTY signal.? There was also some other type of digital, along with a 
few CW operators.? Forty meters is getting crowded :) The changing sun 
angle is changing propagation.? I went to the reverse beacon net and 
found I had triggered a number of stations on forty.


 ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

AB9V - Mike - IN


 ? On 7048 kHz at 0000z:

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

AB9V - Mike - IN

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K6PJV - Dale - CA

W8OV - Dave - CA


 ? Until next week 73,

 ??? Kevin.? KD5ONS


-


If you could say it in words there would be no reason to paint. - Edward 
Hopper


From Mike at ve3yf.com  Mon Oct 18 04:03:33 2021
From: Mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 08:03:33 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Duty or brokerage fees to Canada?
In-Reply-To: <CAB75c0tpbr7ugNxHFnC+RzdJOYdXzoiQ2EtD-vjGPsyPchTtkw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB75c0tpbr7ugNxHFnC+RzdJOYdXzoiQ2EtD-vjGPsyPchTtkw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1b735b2e-9949-df58-0e8c-71904298f312@ve3yf.com>

Don:

Elecraft does not charge you the taxes or brokerage fee's at time of 
purchase. However you will get hit with both once it goes into CBSA. 
Fact of life.

-- 

*73 De Mike*
*VE3YF

_/http://www.ve3yf.com/_*

From n7cqr at arrl.net  Mon Oct 18 13:39:46 2021
From: n7cqr at arrl.net (Dan Presley)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 10:39:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] NR stops after ATU TUNE on KX3
In-Reply-To: <CAEVEBrOZtTh95WMJkrRye=AFb5rURPyofGCu4j0Xd-oDiz=67Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEVEBrOZtTh95WMJkrRye=AFb5rURPyofGCu4j0Xd-oDiz=67Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <71A2EB78-DFD4-428B-94B0-4A1C97B30817@arrl.net>

I?ve noticed a similar issue when engaging and disengaging the APF filter. I have to go back and turn off and on the NR before it kicks in again. 


Dan Presley 503-701-3871
danpresley at me. com 
N7CQR at arrl.net


> On Oct 16, 2021, at 14:53, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi,
> 
> I have NR turned on on my KX3. When I do an ATU TUNE, "NR" stays on the
> display, but the noise reduction isn't actually happening. If I turn NR off
> and on again, it works again.
> 
> Known bug?
> 
> 73,
> 
> Julie
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From n1al at sonic.net  Mon Oct 18 17:36:48 2021
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 15:36:48 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts availability
In-Reply-To: <BA68BA5C-C793-49F1-B0A5-293FEDF12E47@elecraft.com>
References: <BA68BA5C-C793-49F1-B0A5-293FEDF12E47@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <44e9d0e6-fab4-cd0d-8d26-6f4a57b46c77@sonic.net>

Recently I tried to order some electronic parts for a project I am 
working on.? In the old days (like, a year ago) I would just get on the 
Digi-Key web site, order what I want, and it would arrive in the mail in 
a few days.

These days, there are a LOT of parts on the Digi-Key web site that show 
no availability.? I wanted to buy 10 standard, run-of-the-mill LM358 
op-amps in an 8-pin DIP package.? This is a 25 cent part that has been 
around for decades.? They had none in stock in that quantity, from any 
manufacturer.? I ended up ordering a couple in the old-fashioned TO-5 
metal can package for *10 bucks each*. At least they did have some of 
those in stock.

I also wanted to buy a ceramic capacitor assortment.? They listed 6 
assortments that would have worked for me, but all were out of stock.

Manufacturers with "just in time" parts ordering systems are in a world 
of hurt these days.? Fortunately I don't think Elecraft ever went down 
that path.

Alan N1AL

From lmecseri at cfl.rr.com  Mon Oct 18 17:53:48 2021
From: lmecseri at cfl.rr.com (Lou Mecseri)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 21:53:48 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts availability
In-Reply-To: <44e9d0e6-fab4-cd0d-8d26-6f4a57b46c77@sonic.net>
References: <BA68BA5C-C793-49F1-B0A5-293FEDF12E47@elecraft.com>
	<44e9d0e6-fab4-cd0d-8d26-6f4a57b46c77@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <fd2249ad-152b-b610-b80e-0029aa28e68e@cfl.rr.com>

My friend's refrigerator fan died. No replacement or substitute (one 
they tried was 80dB loud) available. Replacement cost, and he is lucky, 
$2,000 fir a new one.

Super efficiency is a dangerous thing for society and for business. At 
the same time, maintaining complete part replacement is damaging to 
profit. You figure, what is the right balance?

73 Lou KE1F

On 10/18/2021 21:36, Alan Bloom wrote:
> Recently I tried to order some electronic parts for a project I am 
> working on.? In the old days (like, a year ago) I would just get on 
> the Digi-Key web site, order what I want, and it would arrive in the 
> mail in a few days.
>
> These days, there are a LOT of parts on the Digi-Key web site that 
> show no availability.? I wanted to buy 10 standard, run-of-the-mill 
> LM358 op-amps in an 8-pin DIP package.? This is a 25 cent part that 
> has been around for decades.? They had none in stock in that quantity, 
> from any manufacturer.? I ended up ordering a couple in the 
> old-fashioned TO-5 metal can package for *10 bucks each*. At least 
> they did have some of those in stock.
>
> I also wanted to buy a ceramic capacitor assortment.? They listed 6 
> assortments that would have worked for me, but all were out of stock.
>
> Manufacturers with "just in time" parts ordering systems are in a 
> world of hurt these days.? Fortunately I don't think Elecraft ever 
> went down that path.
>
> Alan N1AL
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From kthreebo at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 18:08:18 2021
From: kthreebo at gmail.com (barry halterman)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 18:08:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts availability
In-Reply-To: <fd2249ad-152b-b610-b80e-0029aa28e68e@cfl.rr.com>
References: <BA68BA5C-C793-49F1-B0A5-293FEDF12E47@elecraft.com>
	<44e9d0e6-fab4-cd0d-8d26-6f4a57b46c77@sonic.net>
	<fd2249ad-152b-b610-b80e-0029aa28e68e@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CACW=-xFK8xjsPNi0CWxEQB2bPLO68yVcG6yLQ_3hqP0xB+7qdQ@mail.gmail.com>

Check out MPJA.com as they have LM358p, ten for 2.95.

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 5:55 PM Lou Mecseri <lmecseri at cfl.rr.com> wrote:

> My friend's refrigerator fan died. No replacement or substitute (one
> they tried was 80dB loud) available. Replacement cost, and he is lucky,
> $2,000 fir a new one.
>
> Super efficiency is a dangerous thing for society and for business. At
> the same time, maintaining complete part replacement is damaging to
> profit. You figure, what is the right balance?
>
> 73 Lou KE1F
>
> On 10/18/2021 21:36, Alan Bloom wrote:
> > Recently I tried to order some electronic parts for a project I am
> > working on.  In the old days (like, a year ago) I would just get on
> > the Digi-Key web site, order what I want, and it would arrive in the
> > mail in a few days.
> >
> > These days, there are a LOT of parts on the Digi-Key web site that
> > show no availability.  I wanted to buy 10 standard, run-of-the-mill
> > LM358 op-amps in an 8-pin DIP package.  This is a 25 cent part that
> > has been around for decades.  They had none in stock in that quantity,
> > from any manufacturer.  I ended up ordering a couple in the
> > old-fashioned TO-5 metal can package for *10 bucks each*. At least
> > they did have some of those in stock.
> >
> > I also wanted to buy a ceramic capacitor assortment.  They listed 6
> > assortments that would have worked for me, but all were out of stock.
> >
> > Manufacturers with "just in time" parts ordering systems are in a
> > world of hurt these days.  Fortunately I don't think Elecraft ever
> > went down that path.
> >
> > Alan N1AL
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> >
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From k1ep.list at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 18:16:48 2021
From: k1ep.list at gmail.com (Ed K1EP)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 18:16:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts availability
In-Reply-To: <CACW=-xFK8xjsPNi0CWxEQB2bPLO68yVcG6yLQ_3hqP0xB+7qdQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BA68BA5C-C793-49F1-B0A5-293FEDF12E47@elecraft.com>
	<44e9d0e6-fab4-cd0d-8d26-6f4a57b46c77@sonic.net>
	<fd2249ad-152b-b610-b80e-0029aa28e68e@cfl.rr.com>
	<CACW=-xFK8xjsPNi0CWxEQB2bPLO68yVcG6yLQ_3hqP0xB+7qdQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKR4uUO7u18On-HjsuX4KbRzQQUFSo3rTGUBc6Ebw-SZJ4pksA@mail.gmail.com>

Thousands in stock for <$0.50 at Mouser.

reply to: K1EP at arrl.net

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 18:10 barry halterman <kthreebo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Check out MPJA.com as they have LM358p, ten for 2.95.
>
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 5:55 PM Lou Mecseri <lmecseri at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > My friend's refrigerator fan died. No replacement or substitute (one
> > they tried was 80dB loud) available. Replacement cost, and he is lucky,
> > $2,000 fir a new one.
> >
> > Super efficiency is a dangerous thing for society and for business. At
> > the same time, maintaining complete part replacement is damaging to
> > profit. You figure, what is the right balance?
> >
> > 73 Lou KE1F
> >
> > On 10/18/2021 21:36, Alan Bloom wrote:
> > > Recently I tried to order some electronic parts for a project I am
> > > working on.  In the old days (like, a year ago) I would just get on
> > > the Digi-Key web site, order what I want, and it would arrive in the
> > > mail in a few days.
> > >
> > > These days, there are a LOT of parts on the Digi-Key web site that
> > > show no availability.  I wanted to buy 10 standard, run-of-the-mill
> > > LM358 op-amps in an 8-pin DIP package.  This is a 25 cent part that
> > > has been around for decades.  They had none in stock in that quantity,
> > > from any manufacturer.  I ended up ordering a couple in the
> > > old-fashioned TO-5 metal can package for *10 bucks each*. At least
> > > they did have some of those in stock.
> > >
> > > I also wanted to buy a ceramic capacitor assortment.  They listed 6
> > > assortments that would have worked for me, but all were out of stock.
> > >
> > > Manufacturers with "just in time" parts ordering systems are in a
> > > world of hurt these days.  Fortunately I don't think Elecraft ever
> > > went down that path.
> > >
> > > Alan N1AL
> > > ______________________________________________________________
> > > Elecraft mailing list
> > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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> > >
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> > > Message delivered to lmecseri at cfl.rr.com
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From ai4ns.mike at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 19:13:14 2021
From: ai4ns.mike at gmail.com (Mike Short)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 18:13:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts availability
In-Reply-To: <44e9d0e6-fab4-cd0d-8d26-6f4a57b46c77@sonic.net>
References: <BA68BA5C-C793-49F1-B0A5-293FEDF12E47@elecraft.com>
	<44e9d0e6-fab4-cd0d-8d26-6f4a57b46c77@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CAL7rsnEimHLf18M4+xP=sJo7y=ZtUfkFWE8Ldrd3nr2BfSifig@mail.gmail.com>

Just in time works fine when you also have emergency stocks. Too many
companies cut costs by not maintaining emergency stock and lack of multiple
sources.

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 16:38 Alan Bloom <n1al at sonic.net> wrote:

> Recently I tried to order some relectronic parts for a project I am
> working on.  In the old days (like, a year ago) I would just get on the
> Digi-Key web site, order what I want, and it would arrive in the mail in
> a few days.
>
> These days, there are a LOT of parts on the Digi-Key web site that show
> no availability.  I wanted to buy 10 standard, run-of-the-mill LM358
> op-amps in an 8-pin DIP package.  This is a 25 cent part that has been
> around for decades.  They had none in stock in that quantity, from any
> manufacturer.  I ended up ordering a couple in the old-fashioned TO-5
> metal can package for *10 bucks each*. At least they did have some of
> those in stock.
>
> I also wanted to buy a ceramic capacitor assortment.  They listed 6
> assortments that would have worked for me, but all were out of stock.
>
> Manufacturers with "just in time" parts ordering systems are in a world
> of hurt these days.  Fortunately I don't think Elecraft ever went down
> that path.
>
> Alan N1AL
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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From jerry at tr2.com  Mon Oct 18 19:16:40 2021
From: jerry at tr2.com (jerry)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 16:16:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts availability
In-Reply-To: <CAKR4uUO7u18On-HjsuX4KbRzQQUFSo3rTGUBc6Ebw-SZJ4pksA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BA68BA5C-C793-49F1-B0A5-293FEDF12E47@elecraft.com>
	<44e9d0e6-fab4-cd0d-8d26-6f4a57b46c77@sonic.net>
	<fd2249ad-152b-b610-b80e-0029aa28e68e@cfl.rr.com>
	<CACW=-xFK8xjsPNi0CWxEQB2bPLO68yVcG6yLQ_3hqP0xB+7qdQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKR4uUO7u18On-HjsuX4KbRzQQUFSo3rTGUBc6Ebw-SZJ4pksA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <360c881fede3d239d40326fc812918f0@tr2.com>

n 2021-10-18 15:16, Ed K1EP wrote:
> Thousands in stock for <$0.50 at Mouser.
> 
This happened to me a few times lately.  Digikey didn't have it, Mouser 
did.

                  - Jerry KF6VB

From jmdriskell at msn.com  Mon Oct 18 19:24:22 2021
From: jmdriskell at msn.com (James Driskell)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 23:24:22 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts availability
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Unfortunately, the "Just In Time" concept that many US manufacturers have built their businesses around never considered the "you're never going to get it" approach that we now see.  I hope someone is taking a hard look at our national resource network because if the balloon goes up, we're going to have a hard time cranking up the domestic supply chain to meet our basic needs.  We probably won't have the luxury of being able to take our time to get it running.

Jim W7OWI

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Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 14:36
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>; Elecraft-K4 at groups.io <Elecraft-K4 at groups.io>
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts availability

Recently I tried to order some electronic parts for a project I am
working on.  In the old days (like, a year ago) I would just get on the
Digi-Key web site, order what I want, and it would arrive in the mail in
a few days.

These days, there are a LOT of parts on the Digi-Key web site that show
no availability.  I wanted to buy 10 standard, run-of-the-mill LM358
op-amps in an 8-pin DIP package.  This is a 25 cent part that has been
around for decades.  They had none in stock in that quantity, from any
manufacturer.  I ended up ordering a couple in the old-fashioned TO-5
metal can package for *10 bucks each*. At least they did have some of
those in stock.

I also wanted to buy a ceramic capacitor assortment.  They listed 6
assortments that would have worked for me, but all were out of stock.

Manufacturers with "just in time" parts ordering systems are in a world
of hurt these days.  Fortunately I don't think Elecraft ever went down
that path.

Alan N1AL
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From barackman at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 18 19:51:58 2021
From: barackman at hotmail.com (Philip Barackman)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 23:51:58 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts availability
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Amen Jim.

Phil AB7WE 

> On Oct 18, 2021, at 4:26 PM, James Driskell <jmdriskell at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Unfortunately, the "Just In Time" concept that many US manufacturers have built their businesses around never considered the "you're never going to get it" approach that we now see.  I hope someone is taking a hard look at our national resource network because if the balloon goes up, we're going to have a hard time cranking up the domestic supply chain to meet our basic needs.  We probably won't have the luxury of being able to take our time to get it running.
> 
> Jim W7OWI
> 
> ________________________________
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Alan Bloom <n1al at sonic.net>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 14:36
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>; Elecraft-K4 at groups.io <Elecraft-K4 at groups.io>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Parts availability
> 
> Recently I tried to order some electronic parts for a project I am
> working on.  In the old days (like, a year ago) I would just get on the
> Digi-Key web site, order what I want, and it would arrive in the mail in
> a few days.
> 
> These days, there are a LOT of parts on the Digi-Key web site that show
> no availability.  I wanted to buy 10 standard, run-of-the-mill LM358
> op-amps in an 8-pin DIP package.  This is a 25 cent part that has been
> around for decades.  They had none in stock in that quantity, from any
> manufacturer.  I ended up ordering a couple in the old-fashioned TO-5
> metal can package for *10 bucks each*. At least they did have some of
> those in stock.
> 
> I also wanted to buy a ceramic capacitor assortment.  They listed 6
> assortments that would have worked for me, but all were out of stock.
> 
> Manufacturers with "just in time" parts ordering systems are in a world
> of hurt these days.  Fortunately I don't think Elecraft ever went down
> that path.
> 
> Alan N1AL
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From myflyertrains at cfl.rr.com  Mon Oct 18 19:58:08 2021
From: myflyertrains at cfl.rr.com (myflyertrains at cfl.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 23:58:08 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts availability
Message-ID: <66f09f67d2331076fa688b926176a40c63a2b26f@webmail>

Hello,
I just searched LM358 on Amazon and found 3 pages. You can even get
100 delivered tomorrow for $9.99. Amazon is often a great choice for
parts, especially if you are in a hurry like me. lol
Now actually there is a problem that manufactures long ago went to
surface mount parts, and few places are making or carrying thru hole
parts. Yes, I hate it too but that is the way it is. There are nifty
little adapter boards though that will adapt a surface mount 8 pin IC
to a dip. Surface mount parts are often much cheaper too, much...
73 Chuck K8LBHWinter Park, FL

	-----------------------------------------From: "Alan Bloom" 
To: "Elecraft Reflector"
Cc: 
Sent: Monday October 18 2021 5:38:20PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts availability

 Recently I tried to order some electronic parts for a project I am
 working on. In the old days (like, a year ago) I would just get on
the
 Digi-Key web site, order what I want, and it would arrive in the mail
in
 a few days.

 These days, there are a LOT of parts on the Digi-Key web site that
show
 no availability. I wanted to buy 10 standard, run-of-the-mill LM358
 op-amps in an 8-pin DIP package. This is a 25 cent part that has been
 around for decades. They had none in stock in that quantity, from any
 manufacturer. I ended up ordering a couple in the old-fashioned TO-5
 metal can package for *10 bucks each*. At least they did have some of
 those in stock.

 I also wanted to buy a ceramic capacitor assortment. They listed 6
 assortments that would have worked for me, but all were out of stock.

 Manufacturers with "just in time" parts ordering systems are in a
world
 of hurt these days. Fortunately I don't think Elecraft ever went down
 that path.

 Alan N1AL
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From ab7echo at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 20:57:13 2021
From: ab7echo at gmail.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 17:57:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts availability
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Just In Time and its corollary concepts brought amazing efficiencies to 
global manufacturing for decades and enabled cost reductions that we now 
take for granted.? I know that first hand ... I was the operations 
manager for a large division of a major semiconductor company for many 
years.? I think it is exceedingly lame to denigrate the entire concept 
because a once-in-a century global pandemic brought the world supply 
chain to its knees.? It's not only JIT adherents that are running out of 
parts, and I'd bet that the contractual relationships that major JIT 
manufacturers have with their suppliers means that they are going to get 
their parts before the ones who don't.? Who do you think is going to get 
components first ... Elecraft or Hewlett-Packard?

It's crazy how some people try to use an aberration to justify a 
reactionary bias.

Dave?? AB7E



On 10/18/2021 4:24 PM, James Driskell wrote:
> Unfortunately, the "Just In Time" concept that many US manufacturers have built their businesses around never considered the "you're never going to get it" approach that we now see.  I hope someone is taking a hard look at our national resource network because if the balloon goes up, we're going to have a hard time cranking up the domestic supply chain to meet our basic needs.  We probably won't have the luxury of being able to take our time to get it running.
>
> Jim W7OWI
>


From josh at voodoolab.com  Mon Oct 18 21:18:34 2021
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 18:18:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts availability
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Problem is that you have no idea what you?re going to get, especially when there are shortages. Best to stick with franchised distributors, like Mouser & Digikey. Else you may end up with Chinese counterfeits. 

73
Josh W6XU

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 18, 2021, at 4:58 PM, myflyertrains at cfl.rr.com wrote:
> 
> I just searched LM358 on Amazon and found 3 pages. You can even get
> 100 delivered tomorrow for $9.99. Amazon is often a great choice for
> parts, especially if you are in a hurry like me. lol


From k4to.dave at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 14:44:50 2021
From: k4to.dave at gmail.com (Dave Sublette)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 14:44:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Pricing
Message-ID: <CAKynJKkYZ5Nde-=khDo1Uxv=N5kyyfsshZF6zfMW3Ha8JdHxyA@mail.gmail.com>

Forgive this redundant question, but I have no internet and my phone is
almost out of data.  I need the new price of factory built KPA500. and
KAT500.

I need it to buy shipping insurance.   I had a lightning strike last week
and so they have been issued an RSA for repair.

FYI the same lightning strike got the internet also.  Just lucky, I guess.

If you wish, send privately to mycall at ARRL dot net

Thanks,

Dave, K4TO

From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Tue Oct 19 08:08:55 2021
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 07:08:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Pricing
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Dave -

The assembled KPA/KAT500 "Power Combo" is currently listed at $3,224.90 (+
shipping, of course).

73
Lyn, W0LEN



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[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave Sublette
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 1:45 PM
To: Elecraft Discussion List
Subject: [Elecraft] Pricing

Forgive this redundant question, but I have no internet and my phone is
almost out of data.  I need the new price of factory built KPA500. and
KAT500.

I need it to buy shipping insurance.   I had a lightning strike last week
and so they have been issued an RSA for repair.

FYI the same lightning strike got the internet also.  Just lucky, I guess.

If you wish, send privately to mycall at ARRL dot net

Thanks,

Dave, K4TO
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From julia at juliatuttle.net  Tue Oct 19 08:13:09 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 08:13:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Pricing
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Hi Dave,

Sorry to hear about the lightning strike, and I hope your repairs are swift
and economical.

The KPA500-F is $2,499.95.
The KAT500-F is $799.95.
The PWRCOMBO-F of both is $3,224.90 ($75 combo savings).

Cheers,

Julie

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 07:56 Dave Sublette <k4to.dave at gmail.com> wrote:

> Forgive this redundant question, but I have no internet and my phone is
> almost out of data.  I need the new price of factory built KPA500. and
> KAT500.
>
> I need it to buy shipping insurance.   I had a lightning strike last week
> and so they have been issued an RSA for repair.
>
> FYI the same lightning strike got the internet also.  Just lucky, I guess.
>
> If you wish, send privately to mycall at ARRL dot net
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave, K4TO
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From gild at seanet.com  Tue Oct 19 09:35:46 2021
From: gild at seanet.com (Gil Drynan)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 06:35:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts availability
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Another contribution to the problem is west coast shipping terminals and
truck drivers to receive to receive and unload containers. Twenty+ ships
waiting for their turn to unload. Sometimes weeks. I'm in the Seattle area
and we get updates on the news lately.


Gil

W7GIL


> Amen Jim.
>
> Phil AB7WE
>
>> On Oct 18, 2021, at 4:26 PM, James Driskell <jmdriskell at msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> ???Unfortunately, the "Just In Time" concept that many US manufacturers
>> have built their businesses around never considered the "you're never
>> going to get it" approach that we now see.  I hope someone is taking a
>> hard look at our national resource network because if the balloon goes
>> up, we're going to have a hard time cranking up the domestic supply
>> chain to meet our basic needs.  We probably won't have the luxury of
>> being able to take our time to get it running.
>>
>> Jim W7OWI
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Alan Bloom
>> <n1al at sonic.net>
>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 14:36
>> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>; Elecraft-K4 at groups.io
>> <Elecraft-K4 at groups.io>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Parts availability
>>
>> Recently I tried to order some electronic parts for a project I am
>> working on.  In the old days (like, a year ago) I would just get on the
>> Digi-Key web site, order what I want, and it would arrive in the mail
>> in
>> a few days.
>>
>> These days, there are a LOT of parts on the Digi-Key web site that show
>> no availability.  I wanted to buy 10 standard, run-of-the-mill LM358
>> op-amps in an 8-pin DIP package.  This is a 25 cent part that has been
>> around for decades.  They had none in stock in that quantity, from any
>> manufacturer.  I ended up ordering a couple in the old-fashioned TO-5
>> metal can package for *10 bucks each*. At least they did have some of
>> those in stock.
>>
>> I also wanted to buy a ceramic capacitor assortment.  They listed 6
>> assortments that would have worked for me, but all were out of stock.
>>
>> Manufacturers with "just in time" parts ordering systems are in a world
>> of hurt these days.  Fortunately I don't think Elecraft ever went down
>> that path.
>>
>> Alan N1AL
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From fstein at ieee.org  Tue Oct 19 10:37:08 2021
From: fstein at ieee.org (Frank Stein)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 10:37:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for K3 KIO3B (RS-232 i/f board)
Message-ID: <CAD97bpquOD-=be3j7h1tyHMvK6waaOhCK7Rs8ERoc7fn0wya2w@mail.gmail.com>

I'm looking for the KIO3B (RS-232) board.  Mine appears to be bad.
Elecraft no longer has the board or the upgrade (USB) board.

Thanks,
Frank
W4TG

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Tue Oct 19 11:46:52 2021
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 08:46:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New K4 beta software available (Release 25)
Message-ID: <4529A39A-D48D-426D-9C62-4968CD467782@elecraft.com>

Release 25 is now available as beta on our software downloads page. Upgrading is strongly recommended in order to remain current.

Release notes for R25 are listed below. These as well as earlier release notes can also be found on our website, as well as directly at the radio itself in the UPDATE utility.

NOTE: If you experience any issues after a software update, please exit the utility, then do the update a second time. The software update application itself is subject to change, and a second attempt will complete any pending steps.
 
73,
Wayne
N6KR


====================
==== RELEASE 25 ====
====================

14 OCTOBER 2021


===== FUNCTIONAL CHANGES =====

NORMALIZED RECEIVER PASSBAND INDICATION: When the filter passband is normalized for the main or sub receiver, its passband graphic acquires two small "wings". (Same as the K3, etc.) To normalize the passband, hold the FILTER knob (NORM function).

DIGOUT1 MENU ENTRY: DIGOUT1 is an open-drain output that can be used to control external equipment. It is stored per-band. On the 160-6 meter bands it is also stored separately per-antenna if a KAT4 ATU is installed. The default is OFF (floating), while ON = pull the line to ground (0 V). Max load current in the ON state is 15 mA; max. load voltage in the OFF state is 25 V DC. The menu entry shows/changes the DIGOUT1 setting on the present band (and antenna if 160-6 m).

SELECTABLE DATE FORMAT: The desired date format (EU or US) can now be selected using the DATE/TIME set controls. To access this, first tap in the date/time/status area (above the "?" Button on the LCD), then hold the DATA/TIME "Set" button. MM/DD/YY or DD/MM/YY format can be selected independent of the other controls in this window.

LINE OUT RIGHT-CHANNEL AUDIO (SUB RX) EQUALS LEFT CHANNEL (MAIN) WHEN SUB IS OFF.
 
3 dB RECEIVER GAIN ADDED TO BOTH RECEIVERS WHEN SPLITTER IS IN: When the sub RX is on and sharing the same antenna as the main RX, we now add 3 dB of IF (DSP) gain to compensate for the loss of the 3 dB splitter. 

TX INHIBIT CHANGES: The TX Inhibit icon now continuously reflects the state of the TX INH signal (ACC jack, pin 7) rather than only during transmit. Also, when MENU:TX Inhibit is set to OFF, pin 7 correctly outputs a logic high (5 V) at all times.

RX ANT OUT ON BASIC K4: The RX ANT OUT jack can now be used on a basic K4 (one without the KRX4 2nd RX module) in both the SUB RX ON and OFF conditions. Previously, the sub RX icons and controls were not reflecting the fact that, on a basic K4, the main and sub receivers always share the same antenna. This in turn was preventing the sub RX from being configured properly for RX ANT OUT usage.


===== BUG FIXES =====

SUB RX GAIN NOW SAME AS MAIN RX: Previously, the same signal injected into both receivers would produce a signal level 3 to 6 dB higher in the sub RX (as indicated by both the S-meter and panadapter). This was due to an incorrect ADC gain setting in the sub.

EXTERNAL MONITOR STUCK ON ELECRAFT LOGO:  The external monitor should no longer freeze on a logo screen after a display mode change.

LOSS OF QSK SETTING ON MESSAGE PLAY CANCEL: Fixed.

A/B REVERSE CONTROL NOW ONLY SWAPS VFO FREQUENCIES: Previously, A/B reverse ("REV" switch) swapped all settings of VFOs A and B. Swapping only the frequencies makes this operation much faster.

ESSB MODE AND SSB/SSB BANDWIDTHS SAVED: These settings are now correctly saved/restored across power-downs.

REAR-PANEL MIC BIAS SHUTOFF FIXED: Rear panel mic bias is no longer being turned off when rear panel headphones are plugged in/unplugged. 

CW AUTO-TUNE WORKS IN CW-REVERSE MODE.

HIGH-SIGNAL PANADAPTER ARTIFACTS ELIMINATED: Under some high-signal conditions, a comb pattern or "Christmas tree" effect may have been overlaid on spectral peaks. This was due to signal leakage in the FFT/decimation algorithm. The effect has now been completely eliminated.

OVERALL DATA FLOW STABILITY IMPROVED: Previously, in very rare cases, the panadapter may have stopped updating due to an issue with memory allocation.

MULTIPLE IP ADDRESS PROBLEM: Corrected a situation where the radio could claim to have two separate IP addresses.


===== FOR SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS =====

REMOTE CONTROL COMMAND IMPROVEMENTS:  

    DO; command added
    WM; command added. See also ME0027; (Wattmeter Cal in MENU)
    RG; response bug fix
    CP; response bug fix
    GT$; response bug fix

    REF; no longer case sensitive
    TEF; no longer case sensitive

    IS$9xxx; now supported as FP$~; alias

    SD; command improvements
       *Added SD1; SD0; setter for setting QSK
       *Added SD; getter for current mode
       *Added SDm; getter for provided mode

    VG; command improvements
       *Added VG; getter for current mode
       *Added VGm; getter for provided mode

    VX; command improvements
       *Added VX1; VX0; setter VOX for current mode
       *Added VX; getter for current mode
       *Added VXm; getter for provided mode

    SM; command bug fixes
       *SM; now properly returns 0000-0015 in K30; meta-mode.
       *SM; now properly returns 0000-0021 in K31; meta-mode.     
       *SM; returns 00-42 in K41; meta-mode.
       *Note, for SM; auto-information; set AI4;SM1;



From hbjr at optilink.us  Tue Oct 19 11:53:02 2021
From: hbjr at optilink.us (Hank)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 11:53:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for K3 KIO3B (RS-232 i/f board)
In-Reply-To: <CAD97bpquOD-=be3j7h1tyHMvK6waaOhCK7Rs8ERoc7fn0wya2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD97bpquOD-=be3j7h1tyHMvK6waaOhCK7Rs8ERoc7fn0wya2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F46BFA97-20F2-4A5F-90CD-E475816E3720@optilink.us>

I wonder if they could repair it for you?

Hank
K4HYJ 

> On Oct 19, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Frank Stein via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I'm looking for the KIO3B (RS-232) board.  Mine appears to be bad.
> Elecraft no longer has the board or the upgrade (USB) board.
> 
> Thanks,
> Frank
> W4TG
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From arnett.drew at gmail.com  Tue Oct 19 11:56:13 2021
From: arnett.drew at gmail.com (Drew Arnett)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 15:56:13 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 buzz if power up on transverter band
Message-ID: <CAEPVBQ0ijFWurZ35Fw3wfZ--AfbQ1KWnwpeveAKScj6AQHNjqw@mail.gmail.com>

Still buzzing during this year's ARRL 10 GHz and Up contest.  :-(

https://github.com/drewarnett/kx3-firmware-issues/issues/1

Best regards,

Drew
n7da

From julia at juliatuttle.net  Tue Oct 19 16:16:32 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 16:16:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Powering KX3 from Bioenno charger with battery in between
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrNE+AJNT00hMdi2yP8KuX44qKfkaQHKjwPckjf3n+4_+w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I've got a Bioenno battery (it's so good!) and the stock 14.64 V (no-load,
by my cheap meter) 4 A (claimed) charger. I'm currently planning to just
leave things plugged in (mains to the charger to the battery to the radio),
and I want to make sure that's safe (won't start a fire and won't damage
the charger, battery, or radio).

Here's why I think it is:

Will I overload the charger? No, the KX3 draws well under 4 A. If the
battery is charging simultaneously, the constant-current circuitry will
adjust the voltage down until the two loads together are drawing less than
4 A, at the cost of lower charging speed, lower output power, and/or higher
PA heat dissipation.

Will I overcharge the battery? 14.64 V works out to 3.66 V per cell, which
looks like it's about 93% state of charge, which is fine for the battery
long-term.

Will I overvolt the radio? No, 14.64 V is under 15 V.

Am I missing anything here? Is this a safe way to leave things long-term?

Thanks,

Julie

From rmcgraw at benlomand.net  Tue Oct 19 16:34:06 2021
From: rmcgraw at benlomand.net (Bob McGraw)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 15:34:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts availability
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1959.1634674618.9846.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.1959.1634674618.9846.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <3da52601-a783-bd77-d79d-f1b1556418ac@benlomand.net>

They are available on Amazon, 20 pcs for $10.95.? Others are available 
in lesser quantities.??? Today, I'm finding AMAZON is a good place to 
look for and purchase electronic parts.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 10/19/2021 3:16 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 21:53:48 +0000
> From: Lou Mecseri<lmecseri at cfl.rr.com>
> To:elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Parts availability
> Message-ID:<fd2249ad-152b-b610-b80e-0029aa28e68e at cfl.rr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> My friend's refrigerator fan died. No replacement or substitute (one
> they tried was 80dB loud) available. Replacement cost, and he is lucky,
> $2,000 fir a new one.
>
> Super efficiency is a dangerous thing for society and for business. At
> the same time, maintaining complete part replacement is damaging to
> profit. You figure, what is the right balance?
>
> 73 Lou KE1F


From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Tue Oct 19 16:44:49 2021
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Ed Cole)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 12:44:49 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 NB Info
Message-ID: <d2618427-0b01-8d84-6f84-f84991a462fe@acsalaska.net>

I'm trying to use the DSP NB on local noise to improve my 6m reception 
of very weak signals (i.e. eme signals).

There are three ranges of DSP NB T-1, T-2, and T-3 with level settings 
of 1 to 7.  The levels are self explanatory, but have found no 
description about the three ranges (application, function, etc)

I've inquired of fellow K3 owners that do eme and they say it improves 
SNR with no deterioration of digital signals (specifically JT65 or Q65). 
  FT8 is probably a good test and more widely used.

Opinions and recommendations.

My 6m local noise peaks to S7 in the NE and drops to S2 when antenna is 
rotated to SE thru West.  Elevating 13-degrees also helps, dropping S7 
to S4.

Tnx & 73, Ed - KL7UW

From ja-pierce at verizon.net  Tue Oct 19 16:45:25 2021
From: ja-pierce at verizon.net (John Pierce)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 16:45:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 500 for Sale
References: <01a001d7c52a$3ece8860$bc6b9920$.ref@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <01a001d7c52a$3ece8860$bc6b9920$@verizon.net>

Excellent Condition, light usage.

 

AD2F


From lashap at cox.net  Tue Oct 19 16:53:45 2021
From: lashap at cox.net (lashap at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 13:53:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 and P3's for sale
Message-ID: <241501d7c52b$695bd2d0$3c137870$@cox.net>

Hello Gang,

I have a few K3 radios,and P3's for sale,along with many K3 options.

Please email me with your needs.

Thank you,

Larry k6ro

 

 

www.LSRarecoins.com <http://www.LSRarecoins.com> 

310-710-2869

 


From jmdriskell at msn.com  Tue Oct 19 17:12:13 2021
From: jmdriskell at msn.com (James Driskell)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 21:12:13 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts availability
In-Reply-To: <03df74dd-075c-87f2-5e49-e8626165e0e2@gmail.com>
References: <BA68BA5C-C793-49F1-B0A5-293FEDF12E47@elecraft.com>
	<44e9d0e6-fab4-cd0d-8d26-6f4a57b46c77@sonic.net>
	<MW2PR1501MB207461B7E771104DB7AD5867C0BC9@MW2PR1501MB2074.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
	<03df74dd-075c-87f2-5e49-e8626165e0e2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MW2PR1501MB20741655ECFF72BF46EC556BC0BD9@MW2PR1501MB2074.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

Reactionary, my left foot!  What happens the next time something like this happens (and it will but who knows when).  My suggestion centered around determining what is necessary to ensure that we continue to enjoy a semblance of normalcy when something happens.  For instance, if the US were to have a falling out with China trade wise where would we get the necessary electronics and other high-tech items essential for our economy to function.  Can we produce these essential items in CONUS?

We had the luxury of a reasonably vibrant manufacturing base prior to our entry in WWII but it still took time (at the cost of lives) to get production cranked up to meet the demand.

"Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it!"

James M Driskell
W7OWI

________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 17:57
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Parts availability


Just In Time and its corollary concepts brought amazing efficiencies to
global manufacturing for decades and enabled cost reductions that we now
take for granted.  I know that first hand ... I was the operations
manager for a large division of a major semiconductor company for many
years.  I think it is exceedingly lame to denigrate the entire concept
because a once-in-a century global pandemic brought the world supply
chain to its knees.  It's not only JIT adherents that are running out of
parts, and I'd bet that the contractual relationships that major JIT
manufacturers have with their suppliers means that they are going to get
their parts before the ones who don't.  Who do you think is going to get
components first ... Elecraft or Hewlett-Packard?

It's crazy how some people try to use an aberration to justify a
reactionary bias.

Dave   AB7E



On 10/18/2021 4:24 PM, James Driskell wrote:
> Unfortunately, the "Just In Time" concept that many US manufacturers have built their businesses around never considered the "you're never going to get it" approach that we now see.  I hope someone is taking a hard look at our national resource network because if the balloon goes up, we're going to have a hard time cranking up the domestic supply chain to meet our basic needs.  We probably won't have the luxury of being able to take our time to get it running.
>
> Jim W7OWI
>

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From jh3sif at sumaq.jp  Tue Oct 19 17:14:10 2021
From: jh3sif at sumaq.jp (Keith Onishi)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 06:14:10 +0900
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 NB Info
In-Reply-To: <d2618427-0b01-8d84-6f84-f84991a462fe@acsalaska.net>
References: <d2618427-0b01-8d84-6f84-f84991a462fe@acsalaska.net>
Message-ID: <F053D15D-1C61-4566-AD3F-032ECB8EA96B@sumaq.jp>

Noise Blanking section in the K3 Owners Manual says;

Rotating VFO A clockwise will turn on the DSP NB, showing DSP t1-1 through DSP t3-7. The first number shows the relative pulse integration time, and the second shows the blanking level. The
higher the numbers, the more aggressive the DSP blanking action.
Rotating VFO B clockwise will turn on the IF NB, showing IF NARn, IF MEDn, or IF WIDn, where n is 1-7. NAR/MED/WID refers to narrow/ medium/wide blanking pulse widths, and n is the blanking level. Higher n means more aggressive blanking action. Use NAR width when possible to minimize strong-signal interaction effects.

73 de JH3SIF, Keith

> 2021/10/20 5:44?Ed Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net>????:
> 
> I'm trying to use the DSP NB on local noise to improve my 6m reception of very weak signals (i.e. eme signals).
> 
> There are three ranges of DSP NB T-1, T-2, and T-3 with level settings of 1 to 7.  The levels are self explanatory, but have found no description about the three ranges (application, function, etc)
> 
> I've inquired of fellow K3 owners that do eme and they say it improves SNR with no deterioration of digital signals (specifically JT65 or Q65).  FT8 is probably a good test and more widely used.
> 
> Opinions and recommendations.
> 
> My 6m local noise peaks to S7 in the NE and drops to S2 when antenna is rotated to SE thru West.  Elevating 13-degrees also helps, dropping S7 to S4.
> 
> Tnx & 73, Ed - KL7UW
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From julia at juliatuttle.net  Tue Oct 19 17:16:28 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 17:16:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 500 for Sale
In-Reply-To: <01a001d7c52a$3ece8860$bc6b9920$@verizon.net>
References: <01a001d7c52a$3ece8860$bc6b9920$.ref@verizon.net>
	<01a001d7c52a$3ece8860$bc6b9920$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrPM8JrBWtubqGvgzpR8qLFzJM+N6+krA1AE7s+ztZY4+w@mail.gmail.com>

Do you have a price in mind?

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 16:47 John Pierce via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Excellent Condition, light usage.
>
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From lmecseri at cfl.rr.com  Tue Oct 19 17:32:40 2021
From: lmecseri at cfl.rr.com (Lou Mecseri)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 21:32:40 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts availability
In-Reply-To: <MW2PR1501MB20741655ECFF72BF46EC556BC0BD9@MW2PR1501MB2074.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BA68BA5C-C793-49F1-B0A5-293FEDF12E47@elecraft.com>
	<44e9d0e6-fab4-cd0d-8d26-6f4a57b46c77@sonic.net>
	<MW2PR1501MB207461B7E771104DB7AD5867C0BC9@MW2PR1501MB2074.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
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Vladimir Lenin allegedly said: "The Capitalist will sell you the rope 
that we can use to hang him."

Lenin was right even if he actually didn't say it.

My last words on the subject.

73, Lou KE1F

On 10/19/2021 21:12, James Driskell wrote:
> Reactionary, my left foot!  What happens the next time something like this happens (and it will but who knows when).  My suggestion centered around determining what is necessary to ensure that we continue to enjoy a semblance of normalcy when something happens.  For instance, if the US were to have a falling out with China trade wise where would we get the necessary electronics and other high-tech items essential for our economy to function.  Can we produce these essential items in CONUS?
>
> We had the luxury of a reasonably vibrant manufacturing base prior to our entry in WWII but it still took time (at the cost of lives) to get production cranked up to meet the demand.
>
> "Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it!"
>
> James M Driskell
> W7OWI
>
> ________________________________
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 17:57
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Parts availability
>
>
> Just In Time and its corollary concepts brought amazing efficiencies to
> global manufacturing for decades and enabled cost reductions that we now
> take for granted.  I know that first hand ... I was the operations
> manager for a large division of a major semiconductor company for many
> years.  I think it is exceedingly lame to denigrate the entire concept
> because a once-in-a century global pandemic brought the world supply
> chain to its knees.  It's not only JIT adherents that are running out of
> parts, and I'd bet that the contractual relationships that major JIT
> manufacturers have with their suppliers means that they are going to get
> their parts before the ones who don't.  Who do you think is going to get
> components first ... Elecraft or Hewlett-Packard?
>
> It's crazy how some people try to use an aberration to justify a
> reactionary bias.
>
> Dave   AB7E
>
>
>
> On 10/18/2021 4:24 PM, James Driskell wrote:
>> Unfortunately, the "Just In Time" concept that many US manufacturers have built their businesses around never considered the "you're never going to get it" approach that we now see.  I hope someone is taking a hard look at our national resource network because if the balloon goes up, we're going to have a hard time cranking up the domestic supply chain to meet our basic needs.  We probably won't have the luxury of being able to take our time to get it running.
>>
>> Jim W7OWI
>>
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From julia at juliatuttle.net  Tue Oct 19 20:15:02 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 20:15:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Powering KX3 from Bioenno charger with battery in
	between
In-Reply-To: <C386BFFA-7E0C-4FFA-AF95-F35CBDEC3CCF@gmail.com>
References: <CAEVEBrNE+AJNT00hMdi2yP8KuX44qKfkaQHKjwPckjf3n+4_+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<C386BFFA-7E0C-4FFA-AF95-F35CBDEC3CCF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrPsB3VBsquhWE9-kvt69cxjMfEs4764owVtQP=zqkSAFA@mail.gmail.com>

Oh, pardon, it is LiFePo4:
https://www.bioennopower.com/collections/lifepo4-batteries-for-communication-equipment-ham-radio/products/12v-20ah-lfp-battery-pvc-blf-1220a

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 20:08 <ho13dave at gmail.com> wrote:

> You don't give the chemistry of your battery, and that is important. If it
> is LiFePo4 you don't want to leave it connected to the charger all the
> time.
>
> Here is some good info:
>
> https://www.solacity.com/how-to-keep-lifepo4-lithium-ion-batteries-happy/
>
> 73, dave
> ab9ca
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 19, 2021, at 16:16, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I've got a Bioenno battery (it's so good!) and the stock 14.64 V (no-load,
> by my cheap meter) 4 A (claimed) charger. I'm currently planning to just
> leave things plugged in (mains to the charger to the battery to the radio),
> and I want to make sure that's safe (won't start a fire and won't damage
> the charger, battery, or radio).
>
> Here's why I think it is:
>
> Will I overload the charger? No, the KX3 draws well under 4 A. If the
> battery is charging simultaneously, the constant-current circuitry will
> adjust the voltage down until the two loads together are drawing less than
> 4 A, at the cost of lower charging speed, lower output power, and/or higher
> PA heat dissipation.
>
> Will I overcharge the battery? 14.64 V works out to 3.66 V per cell, which
> looks like it's about 93% state of charge, which is fine for the battery
> long-term.
>
> Will I overvolt the radio? No, 14.64 V is under 15 V.
>
> Am I missing anything here? Is this a safe way to leave things long-term?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Julie
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Oct 19 20:41:25 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 17:41:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Powering KX3 from Bioenno charger with battery in
 between
In-Reply-To: <CAEVEBrNE+AJNT00hMdi2yP8KuX44qKfkaQHKjwPckjf3n+4_+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEVEBrNE+AJNT00hMdi2yP8KuX44qKfkaQHKjwPckjf3n+4_+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fa6e65c0-48e6-1879-2f76-5818ceaac564@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/19/2021 1:16 PM, Julia Tuttle wrote:
> Am I missing anything here?

Yes. Most chargers are noisy, because they contain switch-mode power 
supplies and regulators. One charger I got from them was noisy. When I 
talked to them about it, they sent me a linear charger with simple 
hysteresis controller, and it was quiet.

The first thing to do with ANYTHING that plugs into the wall is to check 
it for RF noise, using a portable RX like one of those described here. 
My favorite is my vintage Kenwood TH-F6A talkie, which has widerange 
coverage. Below 10 MHz, it defaults to a loopstick in the base, and with 
a software switch to use the SMA connector. I probe with the loopstick 
around 2 MHz. One of the Tecsun radios works well too. Check the unit 
itself, and any wires connected to it, including the AC line, DC power, 
and any signal cables.

http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf
http://k9yc.com/KillingRXNoiseVisalia.pdf

73, Jim K9YC

From dave at nk7z.net  Wed Oct 20 09:25:24 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 06:25:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 NB Info
In-Reply-To: <d2618427-0b01-8d84-6f84-f84991a462fe@acsalaska.net>
References: <d2618427-0b01-8d84-6f84-f84991a462fe@acsalaska.net>
Message-ID: <9e345f56-1ee2-3b37-45e4-14af24309309@nk7z.net>

Ed,

I have tried for a few years to come up with a good setting for the NB 
that does not degrade FT8 performance.  If you find one, please share 
it.  It seems that any combination of settings I use, reduces the FT8 
decode ability greatly for low level signals.  The net is a minus in 
decoding ability with the NB on.  I have a very loud set of 
horticultural lights in my area, about a block away, as the source.  My 
noise level has been reduced lately to only S6...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 10/19/21 1:44 PM, Ed Cole wrote:
> I'm trying to use the DSP NB on local noise to improve my 6m reception 
> of very weak signals (i.e. eme signals).
> 
> There are three ranges of DSP NB T-1, T-2, and T-3 with level settings 
> of 1 to 7.? The levels are self explanatory, but have found no 
> description about the three ranges (application, function, etc)
> 
> I've inquired of fellow K3 owners that do eme and they say it improves 
> SNR with no deterioration of digital signals (specifically JT65 or Q65). 
>  ?FT8 is probably a good test and more widely used.
> 
> Opinions and recommendations.
> 
> My 6m local noise peaks to S7 in the NE and drops to S2 when antenna is 
> rotated to SE thru West.? Elevating 13-degrees also helps, dropping S7 
> to S4.
> 
> Tnx & 73, Ed - KL7UW
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From gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 20 14:21:53 2021
From: gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com (eric norris)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 18:21:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP!  XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
References: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889@mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Gang:
Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages.? Oddly, these wide area outages did not include my own house.? They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem
The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest.? I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never called back.
Any Ideas?? Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications lawyer?? Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help.??
My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.? Being off the air is unimaginable.
Frantic,

73, Eric WD6DBM

? 

From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 14:25:23 2021
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:25:23 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1634783559.5127997.1634754113889@mail.yahoo.com>
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Cameras?  Any ID card from him?
Intolerable from any company, let alone your provider.

-73-  Frank    KG9H
kg9hfrank at gmail.com




> On Oct 20, 2021, at 1:21 PM, eric norris via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Dear Gang:
> Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages.  Oddly, these wide area outages did not include my own house.  They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem
> The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest.  I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never called back.
> Any Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help.  
> My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.  Being off the air is unimaginable.
> Frantic,
> 
> 73, Eric WD6DBM
> 
> ? 
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From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Wed Oct 20 14:25:30 2021
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:25:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 NB Info
In-Reply-To: <9e345f56-1ee2-3b37-45e4-14af24309309@nk7z.net>
References: <d2618427-0b01-8d84-6f84-f84991a462fe@acsalaska.net>
	<9e345f56-1ee2-3b37-45e4-14af24309309@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <077b01d7c5df$dd3e8580$97bb9080$@LNAINC.com>

One simple rule ...

Never use any form of noise reduction on digital signals.

Period.

73
Lyn, W0LEN

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 8:25 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 NB Info

Ed,

I have tried for a few years to come up with a good setting for the NB 
that does not degrade FT8 performance.  If you find one, please share 
it.  It seems that any combination of settings I use, reduces the FT8 
decode ability greatly for low level signals.  The net is a minus in 
decoding ability with the NB on.  I have a very loud set of 
horticultural lights in my area, about a block away, as the source.  My 
noise level has been reduced lately to only S6...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 10/19/21 1:44 PM, Ed Cole wrote:
> I'm trying to use the DSP NB on local noise to improve my 6m reception 
> of very weak signals (i.e. eme signals).
> 
> There are three ranges of DSP NB T-1, T-2, and T-3 with level settings 
> of 1 to 7.  The levels are self explanatory, but have found no 
> description about the three ranges (application, function, etc)
> 
> I've inquired of fellow K3 owners that do eme and they say it improves 
> SNR with no deterioration of digital signals (specifically JT65 or Q65). 
>   FT8 is probably a good test and more widely used.
> 
> Opinions and recommendations.
> 
> My 6m local noise peaks to S7 in the NE and drops to S2 when antenna is 
> rotated to SE thru West.  Elevating 13-degrees also helps, dropping S7 
> to S4.
> 
> Tnx & 73, Ed - KL7UW
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From jstengrevics at comcast.net  Wed Oct 20 14:30:58 2021
From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 14:30:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1634783559.5127997.1634754113889@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49225797-8461-4CBA-A222-2D592E85E346@comcast.net>

Give the legal folks at ARRL a call.

John
WA1EAZ

> On Oct 20, 2021, at 2:21 PM, eric norris via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Dear Gang:
> Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages.  Oddly, these wide area outages did not include my own house.  They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem
> The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest.  I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never called back.
> Any Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help.  
> My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.  Being off the air is unimaginable.
> Frantic,
> 
> 73, Eric WD6DBM
> 
> ? 
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From dpbunte at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 14:33:56 2021
From: dpbunte at gmail.com (David Bunte)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 14:33:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1634783559.5127997.1634754113889@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CANCJpbRLbOMx8qdkz6Mzbj9goiXUTOK72LUx+ftwciY2g7BGxg@mail.gmail.com>

Eric -

Xfinity is also my provider. I have never heard of such a thing... and I
had no idea they did anything down at 14 mHz.

I would call the ARRL directly and ask for suggestions on how to proceed. I
would also call Xfinity customer service and ask for justification. My
guess is that like most of us there is not a suitable competitor from whom
you can get service.

Best of luck de Dave - K9FN

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 2:23 PM eric norris via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Dear Gang:
> Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to
> explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur
> radio activities had caused wide area outages.  Oddly, these wide area
> outages did not include my own house.  They told her the antennas
> themselves--absent any power--were the problem
> The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on
> our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their
> carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a
> rare contest.  I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number
> which I called, but he never called back.
> Any Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a
> communications lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm
> Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help.
> My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.  Being off the air is
> unimaginable.
> Frantic,
>
> 73, Eric WD6DBM
>
> ?
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From richlim11 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 20 14:35:22 2021
From: richlim11 at yahoo.com (Rich Lim)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 18:35:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <0808EB34-608C-4728-8E97-1624261F005A@gmail.com>
References: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1634783559.5127997.1634754113889@mail.yahoo.com>
	<0808EB34-608C-4728-8E97-1624261F005A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <688687140.2666457.1634754922951@mail.yahoo.com>

Wow! Doesn't seem to make sense... so they believe that by shutting down your home internet that you will stop operating your station which allegedly is causing the interference? 

Or do they believe that by the sheer fact that Xfinity is connected to your home that your station is causing harmful interference which is being transmitted directly into your home box? 

I'm gonna follow this one closely.
RichKQ9L


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    On Wednesday, October 20, 2021, 01:25:48 PM CDT, Frank Krozel <kg9hfrank at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Cameras?? Any ID card from him?
Intolerable from any company, let alone your provider.

-73-? Frank? ? KG9H
kg9hfrank at gmail.com




> On Oct 20, 2021, at 1:21 PM, eric norris via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Dear Gang:
> Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages.? Oddly, these wide area outages did not include my own house.? They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem
> The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest.? I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never called back.
> Any Ideas?? Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications lawyer?? Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help.? 
> My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.? Being off the air is unimaginable.
> Frantic,
> 
> 73, Eric WD6DBM
> 
> ? 
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From mooneer at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 14:43:14 2021
From: mooneer at gmail.com (Mooneer Salem)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 11:43:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <CANCJpbRLbOMx8qdkz6Mzbj9goiXUTOK72LUx+ftwciY2g7BGxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1634783559.5127997.1634754113889@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CANCJpbRLbOMx8qdkz6Mzbj9goiXUTOK72LUx+ftwciY2g7BGxg@mail.gmail.com>
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Yeah, I'm kinda surprised myself that they did anything on the ham bands at
all; I would have expected them to stay out of anything that could
interfere with us. For instance, I just logged into my Spectrum-provided
cable modem and the closest they seem to get to the ham bands around here
is 17.8MHz and 24.2MHz on the uplink. And considering where I live, I would
have expected my operation to have interfered with someone's internet
already if it was going to. (I do 100W *max* into a roof-mounted MFJ
magloop, but typically ~50W just to be safe.)

-Mooneer K6AQ

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 11:36 AM David Bunte <dpbunte at gmail.com> wrote:

> Eric -
>
> Xfinity is also my provider. I have never heard of such a thing... and I
> had no idea they did anything down at 14 mHz.
>
> I would call the ARRL directly and ask for suggestions on how to proceed. I
> would also call Xfinity customer service and ask for justification. My
> guess is that like most of us there is not a suitable competitor from whom
> you can get service.
>
> Best of luck de Dave - K9FN
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 2:23 PM eric norris via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
> > Dear Gang:
> > Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to
> > explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur
> > radio activities had caused wide area outages.  Oddly, these wide area
> > outages did not include my own house.  They told her the antennas
> > themselves--absent any power--were the problem
> > The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on
> > our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their
> > carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a
> > rare contest.  I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number
> > which I called, but he never called back.
> > Any Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a
> > communications lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm
> > Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help.
> > My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.  Being off the air is
> > unimaginable.
> > Frantic,
> >
> > 73, Eric WD6DBM
> >
> > ?
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From k6mr at outlook.com  Wed Oct 20 14:48:09 2021
From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 18:48:09 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1634783559.5127997.1634754113889@mail.yahoo.com>
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I?d start with the Public Utilities Commission.  I had good response from them when dealing with PG&E.  I ?think? cable companies are under their jurisdiction, but if not they can probably tell you who does deal with them.

Ken K6MR

From: eric norris via Elecraft<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 11:23
To: Elecraft Reflector<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

Dear Gang:
Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages.  Oddly, these wide area outages did not include my own house.  They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem
The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest.  I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never called back.
Any Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help.
My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.  Being off the air is unimaginable.
Frantic,

73, Eric WD6DBM

?
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From julia at juliatuttle.net  Wed Oct 20 14:54:37 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 14:54:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Powering KX3 from Bioenno charger with battery in
	between
In-Reply-To: <85B68EC5-E888-44AF-BB8A-D92AFCB4B5C8@gmail.com>
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	<85B68EC5-E888-44AF-BB8A-D92AFCB4B5C8@gmail.com>
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Hi Hal,

Thanks for the advice.

I believe the battery has a BMS that will cut off the output if the power
draw is too high -- is that sufficient?

If not, can I trust the fusing on a RIGrunner port, or should I get a
proper inline fuse holder that covers both conductors?

73,

Julie

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 18:40 Hal Massey <haljr.massey at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Your solution should work just fine.
>
> The Bioenno batteries I could look up easily were LiPO technology. I would
> make one suggestion when using a technology like LiPO. Turn off the charger
> every now and then and deplete the battery down to say 25%. You can
> accomplish this with a simple mechanical timer on the AC line (or use
> something more sophisticated). LiPO manufacturers don?t show any data on
> ?Float Charging? which is what you propose.
>
> The reason I say this is I cannot find an exact replica of your suggested
> usage model in any of the characterization data on any manufacturer of LiPO
> batteries. Without a reliable source like data from a manufacturer you are
> taking on some of the engineering. At worst I could see your battery life
> being slightly shortened by your approach.
>
> LiPO batteries get intense when shorted out. I would recommend a fuse,
> fusible link, or circuit breaker to keep an accident from turning into a
> thermal event. Accidents do happen with power sources.
>
> The setup you are contemplating depends on integrating the charge demand
> and charge resupply (recharging). So if you add a 100W final, an ATU, or
> something else just be sure to keep that in mind. Every time you go beyond
> a 4A current demand the battery will be supplying the difference until you
> stop making greater than a 4A demand. Then the battery will return to
> recharging. Of course if demand exceeds 4A for too long the voltage will
> sag.
>
>
> While this always sounds pompous when I read it I will supply my
> credentials so you know this is not just a casual social media reply. I
> hold a BSEE from the University of California at Santa Barbara, an MSEE
> from Santa Clara University and practiced design engineering for over 35
> years ending up the Vice President and General Manager (GM) of Hewlett
> Packard?s Business Critical Hardware Group (a $2 Billion US International
> business). Having said all that I am not a battery expert. I looked at your
> problem using engineering first principles. (Can it be done? Can it be done
> safely? What are the consequences of such a topology?)
>
> I once float charged a 12VDC AGM battery from an Astron 50 Amp supply on
> top of California?s Crystal Peak. Crystal Peak is 1 mile south and 1 mile
> east of the famous Loma Prieta. Loma is famous for the big earthquake in
> 1989 during the World Series Baseball Game). This setup worked quite
> successfully for many years. Local hams told me it couldn?t be done and the
> battery wouldn?t last. When power failed at Crystal Peak we remained on the
> air (440.1--- N6ITW Repeater). It was true that the battery would not last
> the full service life in the manual. But most hams cannott keep a repeater
> running for 10 years with the same gear anyway. I suspect your experience
> will be similar. This will not be the perfect charge/recharge profile for a
> LiPO battery but it will be good enough.
>
> Regards
> -Hal Massey (WB6NNR)
>
> > On Oct 19, 2021, at 14:16, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've got a Bioenno battery (it's so good!) and the stock 14.64 V
> (no-load,
> > by my cheap meter) 4 A (claimed) charger. I'm currently planning to just
> > leave things plugged in (mains to the charger to the battery to the
> radio),
> > and I want to make sure that's safe (won't start a fire and won't damage
> > the charger, battery, or radio).
> >
> > Here's why I think it is:
> >
> > Will I overload the charger? No, the KX3 draws well under 4 A. If the
> > battery is charging simultaneously, the constant-current circuitry will
> > adjust the voltage down until the two loads together are drawing less
> than
> > 4 A, at the cost of lower charging speed, lower output power, and/or
> higher
> > PA heat dissipation.
> >
> > Will I overcharge the battery? 14.64 V works out to 3.66 V per cell,
> which
> > looks like it's about 93% state of charge, which is fine for the battery
> > long-term.
> >
> > Will I overvolt the radio? No, 14.64 V is under 15 V.
> >
> > Am I missing anything here? Is this a safe way to leave things long-term?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Julie
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From peter.wollan at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 14:58:40 2021
From: peter.wollan at gmail.com (Peter Wollan)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:58:40 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1634783559.5127997.1634754113889@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAAKQEF-3Hex9qUitpOpkpJyCttutGxQR2iJMEu3Kf6+Pq-AM8Q@mail.gmail.com>

We just switched to getting internet through T-Mobile, a cell phone
connection.  It's a hotspot, but fairly large and more capable than the
little dongles.  Not blazingly fast, but good, and reasonably priced.

  Peter W0LLN

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 1:22 PM eric norris via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Dear Gang:
> Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to
> explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur
> radio activities had caused wide area outages.  Oddly, these wide area
> outages did not include my own house.  They told her the antennas
> themselves--absent any power--were the problem
> The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on
> our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their
> carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a
> rare contest.  I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number
> which I called, but he never called back.
> Any Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a
> communications lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm
> Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help.
> My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.  Being off the air is
> unimaginable.
> Frantic,
>
> 73, Eric WD6DBM
>
> ?
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From ab7echo at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 15:06:28 2021
From: ab7echo at gmail.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 12:06:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889@mail.yahoo.com>
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	<1634783559.5127997.1634754113889@mail.yahoo.com>
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First off, there is no way that your antennas alone can passively trash 
Xfinity's internet network.? Whoever told you that is an idiot.

Secondly, you could offer to do some testing with Xfinity in attendance 
to verify whether or not your transmissions were causing a problem.? I 
have a small local wireless ISP that uses my tower to serve about 240 
subscribers in the valley below my QTH, and about a year ago he started 
to see what looked to him like random problems with the routers on the 
tower.? I suggested that we do some checks, and sure enough transmitting 
at high power on 10m caused his routers (one in particular) to burp.? I 
hadn't operated much on 10m previously because of the solar cycle.

He could stand there next to the tower and monitor the network with his 
cellphone.? If a small one-man ISP can do that, Xfinity can.? He checked 
his shielded CAT lines and all seemed to be solidly connected, so I 
suggested he was getting common mode interference on the shields and 
that he could put some clam shell ferrite cores (I suggested #31) on the 
lines near each box and antenna.? He bought a bunch of them and that 
solved the problem.

In my case, I have it written into our contract that my ham radio has 
priority over his gear, and I forced him to get my tower officially 
permitted for his commercial use of it, so the burden was on him anyway.

73,
Dave?? AB7E



On 10/20/2021 11:21 AM, eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
> Dear Gang:
> Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages.? Oddly, these wide area outages did not include my own house.? They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem
> The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest.? I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never called back.
> Any Ideas?? Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications lawyer?? Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help.
> My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.? Being off the air is unimaginable.
> Frantic,
>
> 73, Eric WD6DBM


From ja-pierce at verizon.net  Wed Oct 20 15:13:39 2021
From: ja-pierce at verizon.net (John Pierce)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 15:13:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 500
References: <017c01d7c5e6$97939320$c6bab960$.ref@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <017c01d7c5e6$97939320$c6bab960$@verizon.net>

Unit was sold

 


From w2xj at w2xj.net  Wed Oct 20 15:13:44 2021
From: w2xj at w2xj.net (w2xj at w2xj.net)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 15:13:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <CAAKQEF-3Hex9qUitpOpkpJyCttutGxQR2iJMEu3Kf6+Pq-AM8Q@mail.gmail.com>
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	<1634783559.5127997.1634754113889@mail.yahoo.com>
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From edwmccann at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 15:15:16 2021
From: edwmccann at gmail.com (Edward Mccann)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 12:15:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <5c4489cc-42c2-ec45-e194-f1ad05ad0b4a@gmail.com>
References: <5c4489cc-42c2-ec45-e194-f1ad05ad0b4a@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E39EE60A-6F2A-4510-B116-B834D4E3E888@gmail.com>

Or, you sign up with T-Mobile for $50 monthly all in; gear supplied; and once in tell Infinity Foxtrot Oscar.

Ed McCann
AG6CX

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2021, at 12:07 PM, David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> First off, there is no way that your antennas alone can passively trash Xfinity's internet network.  Whoever told you that is an idiot.
> 
> Secondly, you could offer to do some testing with Xfinity in attendance to verify whether or not your transmissions were causing a problem.  I have a small local wireless ISP that uses my tower to serve about 240 subscribers in the valley below my QTH, and about a year ago he started to see what looked to him like random problems with the routers on the tower.  I suggested that we do some checks, and sure enough transmitting at high power on 10m caused his routers (one in particular) to burp.  I hadn't operated much on 10m previously because of the solar cycle.
> 
> He could stand there next to the tower and monitor the network with his cellphone.  If a small one-man ISP can do that, Xfinity can.  He checked his shielded CAT lines and all seemed to be solidly connected, so I suggested he was getting common mode interference on the shields and that he could put some clam shell ferrite cores (I suggested #31) on the lines near each box and antenna.  He bought a bunch of them and that solved the problem.
> 
> In my case, I have it written into our contract that my ham radio has priority over his gear, and I forced him to get my tower officially permitted for his commercial use of it, so the burden was on him anyway.
> 
> 73,
> Dave   AB7E
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10/20/2021 11:21 AM, eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
>> Dear Gang:
>> Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages.  Oddly, these wide area outages did not include my own house.  They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem
>> The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest.  I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never called back.
>> Any Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help.
>> My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.  Being off the air is unimaginable.
>> Frantic,
>> 
>> 73, Eric WD6DBM
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
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From ja-pierce at verizon.net  Wed Oct 20 15:23:27 2021
From: ja-pierce at verizon.net (John Pierce)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 15:23:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 500
References: <000701d7c5e7$f6325550$e296fff0$.ref@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <000701d7c5e7$f6325550$e296fff0$@verizon.net>

The unit was sold.

 

AD2F

John


From jerry at tr2.com  Wed Oct 20 15:48:53 2021
From: jerry at tr2.com (jerry)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 12:48:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1634783559.5127997.1634754113889@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a631a8a3f0524bd5225952f16db25f9c@tr2.com>

Maybe you could get another ISP?  ATT might serve your neighborhood.
Or Sonic.  I had Sonic for many years.  Their speed sucks, but they are 
reliable.

                 - Jerry KF6VB


On 2021-10-20 11:21, eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
> Dear Gang:
> Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to
> explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my
> amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages.? Oddly, these
> wide area outages did not include my own house.? They told her the
> antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem
> The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters
> on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as
> their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless
> I'm in a rare contest.? I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave
> me a number which I called, but he never called back.
> Any Ideas?? Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a
> communications lawyer?? Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm
> Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help.??
> My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.? Being off the air
> is unimaginable.
> Frantic,
> 
> 73, Eric WD6DBM
> 
> ?
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From mpridesti at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 20 15:49:43 2021
From: mpridesti at yahoo.com (Mpridesti)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 15:49:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <CANCJpbRLbOMx8qdkz6Mzbj9goiXUTOK72LUx+ftwciY2g7BGxg@mail.gmail.com>
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Unbelievable 

Ignorance run a muck!

Be sure to keep us notified on your progress!

On a separate note, on People?s Court (TV show), two hams were fighting over a SteppIR that was sold at a flea market- long story but it came down to buyer beware and sold as is rule was the conclusion.  

Regards,

Mark, K1RX


> On Oct 20, 2021, at 2:39 PM, David Bunte <dpbunte at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Eric -
> 
> Xfinity is also my provider. I have never heard of such a thing... and I
> had no idea they did anything down at 14 mHz.
> 
> I would call the ARRL directly and ask for suggestions on how to proceed. I
> would also call Xfinity customer service and ask for justification. My
> guess is that like most of us there is not a suitable competitor from whom
> you can get service.
> 
> Best of luck de Dave - K9FN
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 2:23 PM eric norris via Elecraft <
>> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Gang:
>> Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to
>> explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur
>> radio activities had caused wide area outages.  Oddly, these wide area
>> outages did not include my own house.  They told her the antennas
>> themselves--absent any power--were the problem
>> The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on
>> our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their
>> carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a
>> rare contest.  I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number
>> which I called, but he never called back.
>> Any Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a
>> communications lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm
>> Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help.
>> My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.  Being off the air is
>> unimaginable.
>> Frantic,
>> 
>> 73, Eric WD6DBM
>> 
>> ?
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From kevin at ve3syb.ca  Wed Oct 20 15:54:02 2021
From: kevin at ve3syb.ca (Kevin Cozens)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 15:54:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889@mail.yahoo.com>
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On 2021-10-20 2:21 p.m., eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
> Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to
> explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur
> radio activities had caused wide area outages.[snip]
> They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem

Anyone telling you the mere presence of an antenna is the source of problem 
is someone who has absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

Ask them for a list of the dates, times, and durations of some of the area 
wide outages and compare that information against your log book to see if 
there is any correlation.

It is very likely there are other hams in your area. It could be someone 
else causing the problem who may not be an Xfinity customer. If any ham 
radio, or other radio transmissions, are causing their systems problems it 
shows they haven't properly protected their equipment from stray RF and/or 
they have a problem with an installation somewhere.

-- 
Cheers!

Kevin.

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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Oct 20 15:58:26 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 12:58:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1634783559.5127997.1634754113889@mail.yahoo.com>
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Hi Eric,

The problem is clearly in their system and/or customer-connected 
equipment. The most likely causes are 1) badly installed coax 
connectors; 2) customer-installed tap-offs; 3) Pin-One Problems in 
Comcast and/or customer-equipment; 4) modems and/or routers with poor RF 
rejection.

I suggest you do three things. 1) Find an alternate internet provider, 
2) get ARRL involved, and 3) operate at you highest practical power 
level as often as possible.

73, Jim K9YC

73On 10/20/2021 11:21 AM, eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
> Dear Gang:
> Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages.? Oddly, these wide area outages did not include my own house.? They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem
> The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest.? I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never called back.
> Any Ideas?? Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications lawyer?? Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help.
> My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.? Being off the air is unimaginable.
> Frantic,
> 
> 73, Eric WD6DBM
> 
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From aa4ak.1 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 15:59:03 2021
From: aa4ak.1 at gmail.com (Steve Kercel)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 15:59:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Hi Eric,

There is a reason that Xfinity is the most hated corporation in America.

I had a similar problem with them.

What all the other commenters are telling you is true; legally you are 
in the right. However, good luck on making your legal rights stick.

Your only practical solution is to find another provider.

73,

Steve
AA4AK



On 10/20/2021 2:21 PM, eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
> Dear Gang:
> Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages.? Oddly, these wide area outages did not include my own house.? They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem
> The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest.? I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never called back.
> Any Ideas?? Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications lawyer?? Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help.
> My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.? Being off the air is unimaginable.
> Frantic,
>
> 73, Eric WD6DBM
>
> ?
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From ardrhi at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 15:24:13 2021
From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 15:24:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <1889912581.914601.1634757224087@webmail4.networksolutionsemail.com>
References: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Sounds like the typical "I'm having trouble with X, and so-and-so has
antennas, so it must be those antennas making X fail. They have to get rid
of those antennas!"

I second that there's no way that the antennas by themselves, with no
signal being put through them, can somehow cause problems with a cable
internet system. It's also ludicrous that, to fix the problems with,
supposedly, antennas causing problems, they turn off the antenna owner's
*internet*, even though, according to them, their internet is not the
source of the problem.

I'd start doing some full power contesting until they come out and explain
why turning off your internet was a solution for antennas passively messing
with CABLE internet. The only thing that should interfere with CABLE
internet is a backhoe.

This reminds me of the Florida case where a ham was told to stay off the
air because a neighbor 3 doors down had problems with her insulin pump. So
once again, "see antennas, blame antennas" is the default. This isn't TVI
on VHF channel 2, guys. It doesn't work like that.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
73,
Gwen, NG3P


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From hbjr at optilink.us  Wed Oct 20 16:22:43 2021
From: hbjr at optilink.us (hbjr at optilink.us)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 16:22:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <688687140.2666457.1634754922951@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889.ref@mail.yahoo.com>	<1634783559.5127997.1634754113889@mail.yahoo.com>	<0808EB34-608C-4728-8E97-1624261F005A@gmail.com>
	<688687140.2666457.1634754922951@mail.yahoo.com>
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I had a ham friend who went through a similar situation with Charter - now Spectrum.  He called the state's public service commission to lodge a complaint against Charter.

Long story short, the public service commission sent a representative out in the field and they had the ham radio guy transmit while witnessing the "interference" in the neighborhood.  They saw issues but not at the same time the transmitter was operating.  Charter finally found 2 issues: a failing power supply on a network amp, and some terrible signal leakage on improperly terminated unused coax drops.

Charter took the easy way out and blamed the ham as a CB operator operating at illegal power levels.  Obviously they had no proof and ultimately had to fix their own problems.

Xfinity around here is all fiber based.

I'd also call the better business bureau!

Hank
K4HYJ



-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Rich Lim via Elecraft
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:35 PM
To: eric norris <gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com>; Frank Krozel <kg9hfrank at gmail.com>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

Wow! Doesn't seem to make sense... so they believe that by shutting down your home internet that you will stop operating your station which allegedly is causing the interference? 

Or do they believe that by the sheer fact that Xfinity is connected to your home that your station is causing harmful interference which is being transmitted directly into your home box? 

I'm gonna follow this one closely.
RichKQ9L


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    On Wednesday, October 20, 2021, 01:25:48 PM CDT, Frank Krozel <kg9hfrank at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Cameras?  Any ID card from him?
Intolerable from any company, let alone your provider.

-73-  Frank    KG9H
kg9hfrank at gmail.com




> On Oct 20, 2021, at 1:21 PM, eric norris via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Dear Gang:
> Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to 
> explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages.  Oddly, these wide area outages did not include my own house.  They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest.  I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never called back.
> Any Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a 
> communications lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help. My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.  Being off the air is unimaginable.
> Frantic,
> 
> 73, Eric WD6DBM
> 
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Oct 20 16:29:32 2021
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:29:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <015001d7c5f0$402ccde0$c08669a0$@optilink.us>
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	<688687140.2666457.1634754922951@mail.yahoo.com>
	<015001d7c5f0$402ccde0$c08669a0$@optilink.us>
Message-ID: <25313475-527A-426F-B95E-291981021BFB@elecraft.com>

When I fired up my first transmitter as a novice (a DX-20!), little did I know it was leaking into a break in the coax cable in the attic. 

I found out two days later when a ham I'd never met copied my callsign off his TV. He looked me up in the callbook (I was a few blocks from his place), introduced himself, and helped me find and repair the cable. I ended up with a clean signal and a great Elmer.

But this is not the good ol' days, apparently.

Wayne
N6KR



> On Oct 20, 2021, at 1:22 PM, K4HYJ via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> I had a ham friend who went through a similar situation with Charter - now Spectrum.  He called the state's public service commission to lodge a complaint against Charter.
> 
> Long story short, the public service commission sent a representative out in the field and they had the ham radio guy transmit while witnessing the "interference" in the neighborhood.  They saw issues but not at the same time the transmitter was operating.  Charter finally found 2 issues: a failing power supply on a network amp, and some terrible signal leakage on improperly terminated unused coax drops.
> 
> Charter took the easy way out and blamed the ham as a CB operator operating at illegal power levels.  Obviously they had no proof and ultimately had to fix their own problems.
> 
> Xfinity around here is all fiber based.
> 
> I'd also call the better business bureau!
> 
> Hank
> K4HYJ
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Rich Lim via Elecraft
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:35 PM
> To: eric norris <gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com>; Frank Krozel <kg9hfrank at gmail.com>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
> 
> Wow! Doesn't seem to make sense... so they believe that by shutting down your home internet that you will stop operating your station which allegedly is causing the interference? 
> 
> Or do they believe that by the sheer fact that Xfinity is connected to your home that your station is causing harmful interference which is being transmitted directly into your home box? 
> 
> I'm gonna follow this one closely.
> RichKQ9L
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
>    On Wednesday, October 20, 2021, 01:25:48 PM CDT, Frank Krozel <kg9hfrank at gmail.com> wrote:  
> 
> Cameras?  Any ID card from him?
> Intolerable from any company, let alone your provider.
> 
> -73-  Frank    KG9H
> kg9hfrank at gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2021, at 1:21 PM, eric norris via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Gang:
>> Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to 
>> explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages.  Oddly, these wide area outages did not include my own house.  They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest.  I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never called back.
>> Any Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a 
>> communications lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help. My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.  Being off the air is unimaginable.
>> Frantic,
>> 
>> 73, Eric WD6DBM
>> 
>> 
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From kthreebo at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 17:23:34 2021
From: kthreebo at gmail.com (barry halterman)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 17:23:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
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This is rather interesting. Last year my local borough contacted me about
my antenna support. It is 30 feet high and is my end support for my EFHW. I
was asked when did I install the pipe? I said 15 years ago, why? I was
promptly told that the boroughs 1.2 GHz comm link between the pump house
and well head three miles up the road, was intermittent. I am in a valley
compared to the well head and their link receiver. In that past year the
electric company installed two tall towers for distribution lines a couple
hundred yards between the well head and my QTH.  I was the suspect, non the
less.
Turned out to be the antenna at the well head.
K3bo

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:31 PM Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> When I fired up my first transmitter as a novice (a DX-20!), little did I
> know it was leaking into a break in the coax cable in the attic.
>
> I found out two days later when a ham I'd never met copied my callsign off
> his TV. He looked me up in the callbook (I was a few blocks from his
> place), introduced himself, and helped me find and repair the cable. I
> ended up with a clean signal and a great Elmer.
>
> But this is not the good ol' days, apparently.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
> > On Oct 20, 2021, at 1:22 PM, K4HYJ via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> >
> > I had a ham friend who went through a similar situation with Charter -
> now Spectrum.  He called the state's public service commission to lodge a
> complaint against Charter.
> >
> > Long story short, the public service commission sent a representative
> out in the field and they had the ham radio guy transmit while witnessing
> the "interference" in the neighborhood.  They saw issues but not at the
> same time the transmitter was operating.  Charter finally found 2 issues: a
> failing power supply on a network amp, and some terrible signal leakage on
> improperly terminated unused coax drops.
> >
> > Charter took the easy way out and blamed the ham as a CB operator
> operating at illegal power levels.  Obviously they had no proof and
> ultimately had to fix their own problems.
> >
> > Xfinity around here is all fiber based.
> >
> > I'd also call the better business bureau!
> >
> > Hank
> > K4HYJ
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> On Behalf Of Rich Lim via Elecraft
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:35 PM
> > To: eric norris <gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com>; Frank Krozel <
> kg9hfrank at gmail.com>
> > Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM
> ANTENNAS
> >
> > Wow! Doesn't seem to make sense... so they believe that by shutting down
> your home internet that you will stop operating your station which
> allegedly is causing the interference?
> >
> > Or do they believe that by the sheer fact that Xfinity is connected to
> your home that your station is causing harmful interference which is being
> transmitted directly into your home box?
> >
> > I'm gonna follow this one closely.
> > RichKQ9L
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >    On Wednesday, October 20, 2021, 01:25:48 PM CDT, Frank Krozel <
> kg9hfrank at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Cameras?  Any ID card from him?
> > Intolerable from any company, let alone your provider.
> >
> > -73-  Frank    KG9H
> > kg9hfrank at gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Oct 20, 2021, at 1:21 PM, eric norris via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Gang:
> >> Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to
> >> explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my
> amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages.  Oddly, these wide
> area outages did not include my own house.  They told her the antennas
> themselves--absent any power--were the problem The last time I was
> threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet
> lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I
> have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest.  I asked
> to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he
> never called back.
> >> Any Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a
> >> communications lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm
> Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help. My XYL depends on an internet
> connection to work.  Being off the air is unimaginable.
> >> Frantic,
> >>
> >> 73, Eric WD6DBM
> >>
> >>
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From hhoyt at mebtel.net  Wed Oct 20 17:52:50 2021
From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 17:52:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Powering KX3 from Bioenno charger with battery in
	between
Message-ID: <28cbe3ba-68e0-ce74-db78-f6952f387c5a@mebtel.net>

The charger needs to see the quiescent current draw of the battery as it 
is following it's constant current and constant voltage charge curve.

Having designed Li chargers I can tell you that if deviation from 
expected current in the CV part of the charge curve will cause the 
charger logic to error out and abort charging with many charge ICs.? It 
is best to disconnect the battery from any loads when charging.

Cheers & 73,
Howie / WA4PSC


From 99sunset at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 17:59:37 2021
From: 99sunset at gmail.com (Steve Hall)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 17:59:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 40 meter SSB net 10-17, 7.280
Message-ID: <CALdUqNNGGozoVAXZ1ZM74Fq88nCH=-DuwhPnu+ojwz7O=1L2pw@mail.gmail.com>

Elecraft SSB nets each Sunday:
1800Z 14.303.5
1900Z 7.280
0100Z 3.775 (Monday GMT)
THANKS TO MY RELAY STATIONS

WM6P STEVE GA K3S NETCONTROL
K8NU CARL OH FTDX101
W3SA JOHN NC TS890
K1NW BRIAN RI
AE6JV BILL NH K3
NK9A STAN MI FT757
W4KBX RICHARD FL K3S
K5PD PETE TX K3
WB4GMN DON NC TS440
WB9EWM JOHN IL K3
N2TNQ NJ K3
WB9JNZ ERIC IL K3
KN4QMB JACK GA FT450D
NC0JW JIM CO KX3
W2EO BILLY FL TS450
KB8YBY WAYNE OH IC756 PRO
KG4WXU JERRY TN K2
AA1IA MARK FL FTDX101
KD4KZK JEREMY FL K3S

From julia at juliatuttle.net  Wed Oct 20 18:31:39 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 18:31:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Powering KX3 from Bioenno charger with battery in
	between
In-Reply-To: <28cbe3ba-68e0-ce74-db78-f6952f387c5a@mebtel.net>
References: <28cbe3ba-68e0-ce74-db78-f6952f387c5a@mebtel.net>
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrN1U0duHCvVCTt9Eb5xp1RBM8m-iJhy_-aPHcKOgC-xDg@mail.gmail.com>

The charger I have doesn't seem to exhibit that behavior, but I can see how
others might -- it would look to the charger as if the battery magically
jumped backwards in state of charge.

Can I trust something like the Epic PWRgate to handle simultaneously
charging the battery and running the radio from the same power supply? It
claims to handle juggling a power supply, battery, solar cell, and load.

73,

Julie

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 17:53 Howard Hoyt <hhoyt at mebtel.net> wrote:

> The charger needs to see the quiescent current draw of the battery as it
> is following it's constant current and constant voltage charge curve.
>
> Having designed Li chargers I can tell you that if deviation from
> expected current in the CV part of the charge curve will cause the
> charger logic to error out and abort charging with many charge ICs.  It
> is best to disconnect the battery from any loads when charging.
>
> Cheers & 73,
> Howie / WA4PSC
>
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From kb1awm at arrl.net  Wed Oct 20 18:50:07 2021
From: kb1awm at arrl.net (Greg Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 18:50:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Powering KX3 from Bioenno charger with battery in
	between
In-Reply-To: <CAEVEBrN1U0duHCvVCTt9Eb5xp1RBM8m-iJhy_-aPHcKOgC-xDg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <28cbe3ba-68e0-ce74-db78-f6952f387c5a@mebtel.net>
	<CAEVEBrN1U0duHCvVCTt9Eb5xp1RBM8m-iJhy_-aPHcKOgC-xDg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABVtLDAxQ91M0p9Q_QEYq=Vj1TH6KODbo78Muw7Z5Qpja7iiAg@mail.gmail.com>

Yes that does work.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 18:33 Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:

> The charger I have doesn't seem to exhibit that behavior, but I can see how
> others might -- it would look to the charger as if the battery magically
> jumped backwards in state of charge.
>
> Can I trust something like the Epic PWRgate to handle simultaneously
> charging the battery and running the radio from the same power supply? It
> claims to handle juggling a power supply, battery, solar cell, and load.
>
> 73,
>
> Julie
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 17:53 Howard Hoyt <hhoyt at mebtel.net> wrote:
>
> > The charger needs to see the quiescent current draw of the battery as it
> > is following it's constant current and constant voltage charge curve.
> >
> > Having designed Li chargers I can tell you that if deviation from
> > expected current in the CV part of the charge curve will cause the
> > charger logic to error out and abort charging with many charge ICs.  It
> > is best to disconnect the battery from any loads when charging.
> >
> > Cheers & 73,
> > Howie / WA4PSC
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
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> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From k9gs at gjschwartz.com  Wed Oct 20 19:55:33 2021
From: k9gs at gjschwartz.com (Gary K9GS)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 19:55:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.65.1634774144.9843.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Hi Eric,Xfinity is a closed system.? If your amateur radio operations are causing problems it is their problem to fix.That said, a non ham friend back in WI has been having recurring outages on his Spectrum system.? Technicians have been out to his house several times and they acknowledge that there is a problem in his subdivision.? Spectrum has documentation of the outages.The last visit by Spectrum the technician said that the problem was probably caused by a ham in the neighborhood.? ?As far as I know there are no hams near him.? The problem is that Spectrum doesn?t want to spend the time or the resources to fix the problem. It's just easier to blame the neighborhood ham.I explained this to my friend and he recently was told that Spectrum was going to replace the trunk lines and distribution amps in the subdivision.? No committment on a date yet.73,Gary K9GS
-------- Original message --------From: eric norris via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Date: 10/20/21  2:22 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: [Elecraft] HELP!  XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS Dear Gang:Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages.? Oddly, these wide area outages did not include my own house.? They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problemThe last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest.? I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never called back.Any Ideas?? Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications lawyer?? Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help.??My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.? Being off the air is unimaginable.Frantic,73, Eric WD6DBM? ______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to k9gs at gjschwartz.com 

From k9gs at gjschwartz.com  Wed Oct 20 20:02:21 2021
From: k9gs at gjschwartz.com (Gary K9GS)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 20:02:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <20211020235552.B1BCC149A656@mail.qsl.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.66.1634774563.9843.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

I would also suggest posting this on the RFI reflector.73,Gary K9GS
-------- Original message --------From: Gary K9GS <k9gs at gjschwartz.com> Date: 10/20/21  7:55 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: eric norris <gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com>, Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS Hi Eric,Xfinity is a closed system.? If your amateur radio operations are causing problems it is their problem to fix.That said, a non ham friend back in WI has been having recurring outages on his Spectrum system.? Technicians have been out to his house several times and they acknowledge that there is a problem in his subdivision.? Spectrum has documentation of the outages.The last visit by Spectrum the technician said that the problem was probably caused by a ham in the neighborhood.? ?As far as I know there are no hams near him.? The problem is that Spectrum doesn?t want to spend the time or the resources to fix the problem. It's just easier to blame the neighborhood ham.I explained this to my friend and he recently was told that Spectrum was going to replace the trunk lines and distribution amps in the subdivision.? No committment on a date yet.73,Gary K9GS-------- Original message --------From: eric norris via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Date: 10/20/21? 2:22 PM? (GMT-05:00) To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: [Elecraft] HELP!? XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS Dear Gang:Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages.? Oddly, these wide area outages did not include my own house.? They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problemThe last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest.? I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never called back.Any Ideas?? Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications lawyer?? Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help.??My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.? Being off the air is unimaginable.Frantic,73, Eric WD6DBM? ______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to k9gs at gjschwartz.com ______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to k9gs at gjschwartz.com 

From radiorobots at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 20:19:56 2021
From: radiorobots at gmail.com (Steve Stutman)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 20:19:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Suggestion re dealing with Xfinity and similar
Message-ID: <CAMESYMcR3281iCfkGyKnXXaCs87iz2b4mg3rHhAGA2En=uecSw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

When needing to get a result from anything publicly regulated, consider
using something other than the interwebs or 800 number.

K6MR points in the right direction.

Specifically:

Write a certified letter, return receipt requested, to the CEO or president
of the involved entity and cc: via the same method to head of your Public
Utilities Commission, or whatever you have in 6, as suggested by Ken.

State your case and surrounding events clearly, much as you have done here
on the list.

Point out that you are a licensed operator of a Federally licensed radio
station.

It may say Amateur, but it is still Federally regulated and you have rights.

You might state your degree of willingness to work with them to solve their
problems at no cost; I know of a couple of instances in which people were
intimidated and apologetically bent over backwards twice and of one case in
which the op told them to pound sand and threatened to identify their
technical incompetence to the media.

First two people got some results over the course of weeks, the third
person got action in two hours.

One presumes that there is some technical competence somewhere in the
company, but obviously not so with the representatives coming to your door.

If, in fact, your station is causing any issues, the most likely cause is
that they are using poorly designed, offshore manufactured equipment.

The various type acceptances on a lot of gear are printed on a label, but
not measured in a lab; hard to imagine.


When I get on 20m here my "smoke and monoxide" detectors sound off. One of
these days I'll run more than 100W, but one presumes it's just RF getting
into poorly shielded gear.

FWIW, these same detectors occasionally spontaneously sound off every year
or two at O dark.

Company has replaced six detectors three times; I wonder why?


Over the years I have sent certified letters to utilities to deal with
issues in a professional capacity as well as personally, i.e. stuff at the
house.

In most cases it will get you engaged with someone who is both
knowledgeable and in authority.

Certainly not someone who blames "an antenna" for second rate gear in a
poorly designed system.

Hope that you are able to get a good response and get your 'net back.

73,

Steve

KL7JT/1

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Wed Oct 20 20:25:19 2021
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 20:25:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <20211020235622.2104F149A951@mail.qsl.net>
References: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889@mail.yahoo.com>
	<20211020235622.2104F149A951@mail.qsl.net>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts4TmA8dKkoH3csSwzJB3y+wGEGoGaxHzdCPZgmqCpo3mw@mail.gmail.com>

I guess hooking up the KPA500 right to your Xfinity Coax and doing
automated FT8 on 20M would not be the best thing to do.  :)

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

And, seriously, if it was me, I would head to the main local office if you
can. find the manager or owner and request him to show the data that proves
what is going on.  Don't be afraid to ask him if he is guessing or does he
have empirical evidence.  Take some technical help with you if you need it
and be professional.

I would also say, you have no proof as my internet works fine even when I
transmit.  Come over and watch for yourself.

Also, is the lack of internet affecting your health and safety?  Ask them
if they wish to take the liability for that.  Are there other ways you can
go on the offensive?

Best of luck, Mike va3mw


On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 7:56 PM Gary K9GS <k9gs at gjschwartz.com> wrote:

> Hi Eric,Xfinity is a closed system.  If your amateur radio operations are
> causing problems it is their problem to fix.That said, a non ham friend
> back in WI has been having recurring outages on his Spectrum system.
> Technicians have been out to his house several times and they acknowledge
> that there is a problem in his subdivision.  Spectrum has documentation of
> the outages.The last visit by Spectrum the technician said that the problem
> was probably caused by a ham in the neighborhood.   As far as I know there
> are no hams near him.  The problem is that Spectrum doesn?t want to spend
> the time or the resources to fix the problem. It's just easier to blame the
> neighborhood ham.I explained this to my friend and he recently was told
> that Spectrum was going to replace the trunk lines and distribution amps in
> the subdivision.  No committment on a date yet.73,Gary K9GS
> -------- Original message --------From: eric norris via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Date: 10/20/21  2:22 PM  (GMT-05:00) To:
> Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: [Elecraft] HELP!
> XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS Dear Gang:Xfinity, our
> internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the XYL
> that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had
> caused wide area outages.  Oddly, these wide area outages did not include
> my own house.  They told her the antennas themselves--absent any
> power--were the problemThe last time I was threatened, I installed chokes
> and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told
> they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only
> using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest.  I asked to speak to a technical
> guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never called back.Any
> Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications
> lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd
> appreciate any help.  My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.
> Being off the air is unimaginable.Frantic,73, Eric WD6DBM?
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From ab2e at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 20 20:41:29 2021
From: ab2e at hotmail.com (AB2E Darrell)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 00:41:29 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
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Eric,
I'm skeptical. Did you receive anything in writing or see a letter from Comcast stating this?
It sounds more like the Comcast tech taking it on himself to say you are being banned.
I would call their customer service and check the status of your account, get something in writing if it's true, then contact your state authority that regulates telecoms, and file a complaint.
I've never heard of anyone being banned as a customer by Comcast.

73 Darrell AB2E





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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

On 2021-10-20 2:21 p.m., eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
> Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to
> explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur
> radio activities had caused wide area outages.[snip]
> They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem

Anyone telling you the mere presence of an antenna is the source of problem
is someone who has absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

Ask them for a list of the dates, times, and durations of some of the area
wide outages and compare that information against your log book to see if
there is any correlation.

It is very likely there are other hams in your area. It could be someone
else causing the problem who may not be an Xfinity customer. If any ham
radio, or other radio transmissions, are causing their systems problems it
shows they haven't properly protected their equipment from stray RF and/or
they have a problem with an installation somewhere.

--
Cheers!

Kevin.

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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Oct 20 20:51:17 2021
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 17:51:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <BN0PR10MB5128897C584501907741A2259BBF9@BN0PR10MB5128.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <32298340-6F90-4B9F-AAB6-F255892FF991@elecraft.com>

Is it true that, at a certain power level (left as an exercise for the reader), one can cauterize pesky coax nodes?

Wayne


From kilo.mike at gte.net  Wed Oct 20 21:23:25 2021
From: kilo.mike at gte.net (Kris Mraz)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 20:23:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
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When I put my tower up 25 yrs ago my next door neighbor complained of interference. I went over to his house to watch for TVI while a ham friend was at my house keying the transmitter. Suddenly a window started vibrating causing a buzzing sound. He said ?See, SEE!?. Just then his wife calls out from another room ?Honey, it?s just the dryer?.

Never had another complaint after that. ?

Kris N5KM



From k6dgwnv at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 21:53:36 2021
From: k6dgwnv at gmail.com (Fred)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 18:53:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
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Circa 1958:? Neighbor and TV Repairman came to my parent's door ... 
"Your son's ham radio is interfering with my TV.? Dad: "Our son has been 
away at college for 2 years and his radio equipment is packed up in the 
closet."? Long pause ... then TV guy, "Well his wire antenna is still up 
there and it's between my customer and Mt. Wilson, and it's sucking all 
the signal out of the air."? Dad: "I'll ask him to take it down next 
time he comes home."? That didn't happen 'til maybe another year, I had 
a full time job at the local TV station at college and didn't get home 
very often.? I did finally take it down, neighbor's TV still didn't work 
well, and he still blamed me.
-- 
73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

Kris Mraz wrote on 10/20/2021 6:23 PM:
> When I put my tower up 25 yrs ago my next door neighbor complained of interference. I went over to his house to watch for TVI while a ham friend was at my house keying the transmitter. Suddenly a window started vibrating causing a buzzing sound. He said ?See, SEE!?. Just then his wife calls out from another room ?Honey, it?s just the dryer?.
>
> Never had another complaint after that. ?
>
> Kris N5KM



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From k2asp at kanafi.org  Wed Oct 20 22:00:58 2021
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 19:00:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Suggestion re dealing with Xfinity and similar
In-Reply-To: <CAMESYMcR3281iCfkGyKnXXaCs87iz2b4mg3rHhAGA2En=uecSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMESYMcR3281iCfkGyKnXXaCs87iz2b4mg3rHhAGA2En=uecSw@mail.gmail.com>
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On 10/20/2021 5:19 PM, Steve Stutman wrote:

> Write a certified letter, return receipt requested, to the CEO or president
> of the involved entity and cc: via the same method to head of your Public
> Utilities Commission, or whatever you have in 6, as suggested by Ken.

Eric --

Before you do that, call their Customer Service desk and say - word for 
word in a gentle tone - "Please tell me the name and address of your 
Registered Agent for Service of Process".  When they finally understand 
what you are asking, that usually strikes fear into any corporate entity 
that they may face litigation, and then they start to listen to you.

As a communications attorney I have had to use that tactic for several 
clients with success.  I would have loved to jump in to support you on 
this case but I am on medical leave as  several folks here know fighting 
serious cancer.  I can still answer questions as needed and as my health 
situation allows.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
ARRL Volunteer Counsel


From johnae5x at gmail.com  Thu Oct 21 07:30:55 2021
From: johnae5x at gmail.com (John Harper)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 06:30:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft]  HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
Message-ID: <CAPHmH=NfxY8bBeTgynvKiRJyLsMnj9A3x2Jj0A_qe43o7BsNSg@mail.gmail.com>

"Just our luck - ham radio operators":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alI2TWuL3cs

John AE5X
https://ae5x.blogspot.com

From alorona at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct 21 09:26:48 2021
From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 13:26:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <43c5d852-2f5a-9cef-f303-949fcfb0a99c@audiosystemsgroup.com>
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Jim beat me to it. I was also going to urge you to transmit as much as possible on 20 meters with the highest power you can. The idea is to become a hair ball that Xfinity can't swallow nor can't cough back up.

If anybody comes up to you to complain that you're still causing outages, use the same twisted logic that Xfinity used and tell them, "That's impossible. It couldn't be me because Xfinity has already disconnected me."

Al? W6LX/4



>>> and 3) operate at you highest practical power 
>>>level as often as possible.

>>>73, Jim K9YC


From julia at juliatuttle.net  Thu Oct 21 09:35:40 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 09:35:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <397194605.204778.1634822808387@mail.yahoo.com>
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But remember, you're required to use the lowest power level feasible...

...so time to try for some really challenging DX, and keep your logs!

Seriously though, did you find out if they're actually kicking you off or
if this was just a grumpy local tech misguidedly trying to fix a problem by
threatening you?

73,

Julie

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 09:27 Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Jim beat me to it. I was also going to urge you to transmit as much as
> possible on 20 meters with the highest power you can. The idea is to become
> a hair ball that Xfinity can't swallow nor can't cough back up.
>
> If anybody comes up to you to complain that you're still causing outages,
> use the same twisted logic that Xfinity used and tell them, "That's
> impossible. It couldn't be me because Xfinity has already disconnected me."
>
> Al  W6LX/4
>
>
>
> >>> and 3) operate at you highest practical power
> >>>level as often as possible.
>
> >>>73, Jim K9YC
>
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From paul142857 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 21 09:43:41 2021
From: paul142857 at gmail.com (Paul Huff)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 09:43:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] External keying auto detect on KX3?
Message-ID: <E4F66460-714E-4441-B79A-BBBEF3BFC98A@gmail.com>

My new KX3 is in the mail and I am really looking forward to getting it!  There is a little trick that works on the K2, using a couple of diodes, that allows you to have both a straight key and a paddle plugged in at the same time and the rig will auto-detect which one is being used at a given time.  Does this same auto-detect work on the KX3 or do you have to make a menu entry each time you switch keying devices?

Thanks in advance for any replies.

73,

Paul - N8XMS
100% QRP CW




From julia at juliatuttle.net  Thu Oct 21 09:53:21 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 09:53:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] External keying auto detect on KX3?
In-Reply-To: <E4F66460-714E-4441-B79A-BBBEF3BFC98A@gmail.com>
References: <E4F66460-714E-4441-B79A-BBBEF3BFC98A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrPApVysqDAGXHLDWdWoueLHkm5dcf2gh0V9BNpS67mCHQ@mail.gmail.com>

Oh, that's a cool trick! Sadly, I don't see anything in the manual or on
Google about it for the KX3.

You can, of course, always assign that menu option to PF1 or PF2, or go
further and do one of the cute pairs of macros to toggle between the two
modes you use.

Congrats on the KX3, by the way! It is a delightful rig.

73,

Julie

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 09:44 Paul Huff <paul142857 at gmail.com> wrote:

> My new KX3 is in the mail and I am really looking forward to getting it!
> There is a little trick that works on the K2, using a couple of diodes,
> that allows you to have both a straight key and a paddle plugged in at the
> same time and the rig will auto-detect which one is being used at a given
> time.  Does this same auto-detect work on the KX3 or do you have to make a
> menu entry each time you switch keying devices?
>
> Thanks in advance for any replies.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul - N8XMS
> 100% QRP CW
>
>
>
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From pete.n4zr at gmail.com  Thu Oct 21 09:54:02 2021
From: pete.n4zr at gmail.com (Pete Smith N4ZR)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 09:54:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Through-hole Replacement for K3 Q5 (2N7002)
Message-ID: <bba6751a-d187-9469-3e75-d03f9fa28e68@gmail.com>

The original surface-mount part seems to be back in stock in the US, but 
I'm afraid that what I need is a through-hole equivalent, because the PC 
board where the old one was mounted is a wreck (damage from part 
failure, plus my ham-handed efforts to replace it). Google thinks a 
2N7000 will do, but I'd sure like to get an expert opinion.

-- 
73, Pete N4ZR
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From radiok4ia at gmail.com  Thu Oct 21 10:04:06 2021
From: radiok4ia at gmail.com (Buck K4IA)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 10:04:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <CAEVEBrPfyTuYZjQ1Yz8JHO=1Y-cQqMJ4pWvwH4+7bfaWKA1wxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1634783559.5127997.1634754113889@mail.yahoo.com>
	<43c5d852-2f5a-9cef-f303-949fcfb0a99c@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<397194605.204778.1634822808387@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <801d849e-6e45-35c7-74c7-e530f3a59a7f@Gmail.com>

My bet is you have a rogue tech who couldn't find the problem and 
decided to blame you.? He greatly exceeded his authority and as soon as 
a higher-up hears what happened, this will be reversed.? Besides, since 
we know you aren't the problem, the problem is still there and his 
"solution" will be proven wrong.

Buck, K4IA
DXCC Honor Roll
8BDXCC
Author EasyWayHamBooks.com

On 10/21/2021 9:35 AM, Julia Tuttle wrote:
> But remember, you're required to use the lowest power level feasible...
>
> ...so time to try for some really challenging DX, and keep your logs!
>
> Seriously though, did you find out if they're actually kicking you off or
> if this was just a grumpy local tech misguidedly trying to fix a problem by
> threatening you?
>
> 73,
>
> Julie
>
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 09:27 Al Lorona<alorona at sbcglobal.net>  wrote:
>
>> Jim beat me to it. I was also going to urge you to transmit as much as
>> possible on 20 meters with the highest power you can. The idea is to become
>> a hair ball that Xfinity can't swallow nor can't cough back up.
>>
>> If anybody comes up to you to complain that you're still causing outages,
>> use the same twisted logic that Xfinity used and tell them, "That's
>> impossible. It couldn't be me because Xfinity has already disconnected me."
>>
>> Al  W6LX/4
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> and 3) operate at you highest practical power
>>>>> level as often as possible.
>>>>> 73, Jim K9YC
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From julia at juliatuttle.net  Thu Oct 21 10:47:35 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 10:47:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] External keying auto detect on KX3?
In-Reply-To: <2B7A1CB8-07BA-48DA-AE43-F00A0DF05E1E@brannan.name>
References: <E4F66460-714E-4441-B79A-BBBEF3BFC98A@gmail.com>
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	<2B7A1CB8-07BA-48DA-AE43-F00A0DF05E1E@brannan.name>
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Oh, yes, that's what I have -- KXPD3 on the front, straight key plugged in
to the key jack -- but I assumed Paul was looking for a setup for discrete
external paddles.

73,

Julie

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 10:46 Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name> wrote:

> The KX3 does have thi separate paddle jack for the matching KXPD3 paddles
> you can put on the front, so I guess you could use that.
>
>
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Email: buddy at brannan.name
> Mobile: (814) 431-0962
>
>
>
> > On Oct 21, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:
> >
> > Oh, that's a cool trick! Sadly, I don't see anything in the manual or on
> > Google about it for the KX3.
> >
> > You can, of course, always assign that menu option to PF1 or PF2, or go
> > further and do one of the cute pairs of macros to toggle between the two
> > modes you use.
> >
> > Congrats on the KX3, by the way! It is a delightful rig.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Julie
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 09:44 Paul Huff <paul142857 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> My new KX3 is in the mail and I am really looking forward to getting it!
> >> There is a little trick that works on the K2, using a couple of diodes,
> >> that allows you to have both a straight key and a paddle plugged in at
> the
> >> same time and the rig will auto-detect which one is being used at a
> given
> >> time.  Does this same auto-detect work on the KX3 or do you have to
> make a
> >> menu entry each time you switch keying devices?
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance for any replies.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> Paul - N8XMS
> >> 100% QRP CW
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From hbjr at optilink.us  Thu Oct 21 11:31:38 2021
From: hbjr at optilink.us (Hank)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 11:31:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <CAEVEBrPfyTuYZjQ1Yz8JHO=1Y-cQqMJ4pWvwH4+7bfaWKA1wxA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <D4C88607-1A74-4A2D-A567-1A479926A1D2@optilink.us>

Good advice - don?t be unprofessional just because a rogue technician is. 

Hank
K4HYJ 

> On Oct 21, 2021, at 9:36 AM, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:
> 
> ?But remember, you're required to use the lowest power level feasible...
> 
> ...so time to try for some really challenging DX, and keep your logs!
> 
> Seriously though, did you find out if they're actually kicking you off or
> if this was just a grumpy local tech misguidedly trying to fix a problem by
> threatening you?
> 
> 73,
> 
> Julie
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 09:27 Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Jim beat me to it. I was also going to urge you to transmit as much as
>> possible on 20 meters with the highest power you can. The idea is to become
>> a hair ball that Xfinity can't swallow nor can't cough back up.
>> 
>> If anybody comes up to you to complain that you're still causing outages,
>> use the same twisted logic that Xfinity used and tell them, "That's
>> impossible. It couldn't be me because Xfinity has already disconnected me."
>> 
>> Al  W6LX/4
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>>> and 3) operate at you highest practical power
>>>>> level as often as possible.
>> 
>>>>> 73, Jim K9YC
>> 
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From pubx1 at af2z.net  Thu Oct 21 11:43:46 2021
From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 11:43:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <D4C88607-1A74-4A2D-A567-1A479926A1D2@optilink.us>
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I would take the easiest way: tell them whatever BS they need to hear to 
be satisfied; then operate however you like without restriction. Dump 
Comcast at the soonest opportunity.

I would not waste my time with lawyers, letters, phone calls, 
explanations, etc. As Mark Twain said: Never argue with an idiot; they 
will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. This is 
similar to dealing with corporate bureaucracy.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 10/21/21 10:31, Hank via Elecraft wrote:
> Good advice - don?t be unprofessional just because a rogue technician is.
> 
> Hank
> K4HYJ
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2021, at 9:36 AM, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?But remember, you're required to use the lowest power level feasible...
>>
>> ...so time to try for some really challenging DX, and keep your logs!
>>
>> Seriously though, did you find out if they're actually kicking you off or
>> if this was just a grumpy local tech misguidedly trying to fix a problem by
>> threatening you?
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 09:27 Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Jim beat me to it. I was also going to urge you to transmit as much as
>>> possible on 20 meters with the highest power you can. The idea is to become
>>> a hair ball that Xfinity can't swallow nor can't cough back up.
>>>
>>> If anybody comes up to you to complain that you're still causing outages,
>>> use the same twisted logic that Xfinity used and tell them, "That's
>>> impossible. It couldn't be me because Xfinity has already disconnected me."
>>>
>>> Al  W6LX/4
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> and 3) operate at you highest practical power
>>>>>> level as often as possible.
>>>
>>>>>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>>
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From julia at juliatuttle.net  Thu Oct 21 11:45:12 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 11:45:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <df2a6008-29fa-0ec4-63c9-ac58abb6fe73@af2z.net>
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Yeah, but they may only be satisfied if all the antennas are gone, and
that's not practical.

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 11:44 Drew AF2Z <pubx1 at af2z.net> wrote:

> I would take the easiest way: tell them whatever BS they need to hear to
> be satisfied; then operate however you like without restriction. Dump
> Comcast at the soonest opportunity.
>
> I would not waste my time with lawyers, letters, phone calls,
> explanations, etc. As Mark Twain said: Never argue with an idiot; they
> will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. This is
> similar to dealing with corporate bureaucracy.
>
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
>
>
>
> On 10/21/21 10:31, Hank via Elecraft wrote:
> > Good advice - don?t be unprofessional just because a rogue technician is.
> >
> > Hank
> > K4HYJ
> >
> >> On Oct 21, 2021, at 9:36 AM, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?But remember, you're required to use the lowest power level feasible...
> >>
> >> ...so time to try for some really challenging DX, and keep your logs!
> >>
> >> Seriously though, did you find out if they're actually kicking you off
> or
> >> if this was just a grumpy local tech misguidedly trying to fix a
> problem by
> >> threatening you?
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> Julie
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 09:27 Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Jim beat me to it. I was also going to urge you to transmit as much as
> >>> possible on 20 meters with the highest power you can. The idea is to
> become
> >>> a hair ball that Xfinity can't swallow nor can't cough back up.
> >>>
> >>> If anybody comes up to you to complain that you're still causing
> outages,
> >>> use the same twisted logic that Xfinity used and tell them, "That's
> >>> impossible. It couldn't be me because Xfinity has already disconnected
> me."
> >>>
> >>> Al  W6LX/4
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> and 3) operate at you highest practical power
> >>>>>> level as often as possible.
> >>>
> >>>>>> 73, Jim K9YC
> >>>
> >>> ______________________________________________________________
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From ardrhi at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 20:31:43 2021
From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 20:31:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Suggestion re dealing with Xfinity and similar
In-Reply-To: <CAMESYMcR3281iCfkGyKnXXaCs87iz2b4mg3rHhAGA2En=uecSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMESYMcR3281iCfkGyKnXXaCs87iz2b4mg3rHhAGA2En=uecSw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+nQa2PmOK6j1mJMZP-ENYUX-iGQkWpJzF74kGrvXNGhVMeRGQ@mail.gmail.com>

The bulk of consumer electronics, like wi-fi routers, is covered under Part
15, and it is therefore the responsibility of the operator of the Part 15
gear to deal with interference issues, NOT a neighborhood ham. Hams are not
responsible for interference to Part 15 gear. In fact, Part 15 gear has the
following information on it, usually on a sticker (emphasis mine):

This device complies with part 15 of the FCC Rules. Operation is subject to
> the following two conditions: (1) This device may not cause harmful
> interference, and *(2) this device must accept any interference received,
> including interference that may cause undesired operation.*


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
73,
Gwen, NG3P


On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 8:20 PM Steve Stutman <radiorobots at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> When needing to get a result from anything publicly regulated, consider
> using something other than the interwebs or 800 number.
>
> K6MR points in the right direction.
>
> Specifically:
>
> Write a certified letter, return receipt requested, to the CEO or president
> of the involved entity and cc: via the same method to head of your Public
> Utilities Commission, or whatever you have in 6, as suggested by Ken.
>
> State your case and surrounding events clearly, much as you have done here
> on the list.
>
> Point out that you are a licensed operator of a Federally licensed radio
> station.
>
> It may say Amateur, but it is still Federally regulated and you have
> rights.
>
> You might state your degree of willingness to work with them to solve their
> problems at no cost; I know of a couple of instances in which people were
> intimidated and apologetically bent over backwards twice and of one case in
> which the op told them to pound sand and threatened to identify their
> technical incompetence to the media.
>
> First two people got some results over the course of weeks, the third
> person got action in two hours.
>
> One presumes that there is some technical competence somewhere in the
> company, but obviously not so with the representatives coming to your door.
>
> If, in fact, your station is causing any issues, the most likely cause is
> that they are using poorly designed, offshore manufactured equipment.
>
> The various type acceptances on a lot of gear are printed on a label, but
> not measured in a lab; hard to imagine.
>
>
> When I get on 20m here my "smoke and monoxide" detectors sound off. One of
> these days I'll run more than 100W, but one presumes it's just RF getting
> into poorly shielded gear.
>
> FWIW, these same detectors occasionally spontaneously sound off every year
> or two at O dark.
>
> Company has replaced six detectors three times; I wonder why?
>
>
> Over the years I have sent certified letters to utilities to deal with
> issues in a professional capacity as well as personally, i.e. stuff at the
> house.
>
> In most cases it will get you engaged with someone who is both
> knowledgeable and in authority.
>
> Certainly not someone who blames "an antenna" for second rate gear in a
> poorly designed system.
>
> Hope that you are able to get a good response and get your 'net back.
>
> 73,
>
> Steve
>
> KL7JT/1
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From ardrhi at gmail.com  Thu Oct 21 00:00:53 2021
From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 00:00:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <BN0PR10MB5128897C584501907741A2259BBF9@BN0PR10MB5128.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Yeah...normally it takes a 4-hour series of phone calls, half of them
involving screaming invective, closing a bank account, and getting a credit
card replaced just to get RID of a Comcast/Xfinity account. I know, I had
to do it when we switched to Verizon FIOS the day it became available at
our location.

If you have any other option besides them, do yourself the favor of signing
up with that other option. Xfinity is horrible, and even though I had to
threaten lawsuits in perpetuity to get shut of them, they still send us
junk mail over a decade later.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
73,
Gwen, NG3P


On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 8:42 PM AB2E Darrell <ab2e at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Eric,
> I'm skeptical. Did you receive anything in writing or see a letter from
> Comcast stating this?
> It sounds more like the Comcast tech taking it on himself to say you are
> being banned.
> I would call their customer service and check the status of your account,
> get something in writing if it's true, then contact your state authority
> that regulates telecoms, and file a complaint.
> I've never heard of anyone being banned as a customer by Comcast.
>
> 73 Darrell AB2E
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> on behalf of Kevin Cozens <kevin at ve3syb.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 3:54 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
>
> On 2021-10-20 2:21 p.m., eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
> > Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to
> > explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur
> > radio activities had caused wide area outages.[snip]
> > They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem
>
> Anyone telling you the mere presence of an antenna is the source of problem
> is someone who has absolutely no idea what they are talking about.
>
> Ask them for a list of the dates, times, and durations of some of the area
> wide outages and compare that information against your log book to see if
> there is any correlation.
>
> It is very likely there are other hams in your area. It could be someone
> else causing the problem who may not be an Xfinity customer. If any ham
> radio, or other radio transmissions, are causing their systems problems it
> shows they haven't properly protected their equipment from stray RF and/or
> they have a problem with an installation somewhere.
>
> --
> Cheers!
>
> Kevin.
>
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From n1al at sonic.net  Thu Oct 21 12:08:25 2021
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 10:08:25 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
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On 10/21/2021 9:43 AM, Drew AF2Z wrote:
> Dump Comcast at the soonest opportunity.

There may be more options than you realize that avoid having to deal 
with the cable company and have no potential for interference to/from 
the amateur station.

I recently bought a house here (near St. George Utah).? There is no 
cable in my neighborhood so at first it appeared that the only option 
was DSL (via the telephone line) at 3 Mbps for $50/month.

But a quick Internet search found three local companies that offer 
"Fixed Wireless" Internet service.? This is where they beam the Internet 
to you via microwave from stations on nearby mountains. Costs range from 
$40 to $200/month for 25 to 300 Mbps.

I had a similar setup back at my house in California that had no DSL or 
cable available in the neighborhood.? Once I got the antenna properly 
located it worked reliably and of course there was no QRM to/from the 
HF/2 meter ham gear.

Alan N1AL


From julia at juliatuttle.net  Thu Oct 21 12:27:39 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 12:27:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <894b421d-f621-781c-d571-1bde01da7fdf@sonic.net>
References: <CAEVEBrPfyTuYZjQ1Yz8JHO=1Y-cQqMJ4pWvwH4+7bfaWKA1wxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<D4C88607-1A74-4A2D-A567-1A479926A1D2@optilink.us>
	<df2a6008-29fa-0ec4-63c9-ac58abb6fe73@af2z.net>
	<894b421d-f621-781c-d571-1bde01da7fdf@sonic.net>
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My girlfriend has a setup like this in rural NH. Cricket Wireless will sell
you a whopping 100 GB data on AT&It's network for just $55 a month. We get
about 15 Mbps down and 5 Mbps up with 50ms latency (to speedtest.net's
servers), although of course that will vary based on AT&T's local network.

She's got a fancy industrial/weatherproof modem; I can find out the model
if you're interested.

73,

Julie

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 12:09 Alan Bloom <n1al at sonic.net> wrote:

>
> On 10/21/2021 9:43 AM, Drew AF2Z wrote:
> > Dump Comcast at the soonest opportunity.
>
> There may be more options than you realize that avoid having to deal
> with the cable company and have no potential for interference to/from
> the amateur station.
>
> I recently bought a house here (near St. George Utah).  There is no
> cable in my neighborhood so at first it appeared that the only option
> was DSL (via the telephone line) at 3 Mbps for $50/month.
>
> But a quick Internet search found three local companies that offer
> "Fixed Wireless" Internet service.  This is where they beam the Internet
> to you via microwave from stations on nearby mountains. Costs range from
> $40 to $200/month for 25 to 300 Mbps.
>
> I had a similar setup back at my house in California that had no DSL or
> cable available in the neighborhood.  Once I got the antenna properly
> located it worked reliably and of course there was no QRM to/from the
> HF/2 meter ham gear.
>
> Alan N1AL
>
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From k2asp at kanafi.org  Thu Oct 21 13:17:29 2021
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 10:17:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <CAEVEBrPfyTuYZjQ1Yz8JHO=1Y-cQqMJ4pWvwH4+7bfaWKA1wxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1634783559.5127997.1634754113889@mail.yahoo.com>
	<43c5d852-2f5a-9cef-f303-949fcfb0a99c@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<397194605.204778.1634822808387@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CAEVEBrPfyTuYZjQ1Yz8JHO=1Y-cQqMJ4pWvwH4+7bfaWKA1wxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9b569fdf-acc3-d33b-b986-31a7fd3b7f60@kanafi.org>

On 10/21/2021 6:35 AM, Julia Tuttle wrote:

> Seriously though, did you find out if they're actually kicking you off or
> if this was just a grumpy local tech misguidedly trying to fix a problem by
> threatening you?

One more comment - be aware that the "technicians" that you see driving 
around in those white "Xfinity" trucks are not Comcast employees - they 
are "job shop" contractors who have no authority to speak for the 
company on policy matters.  Did they really shut your service off?  Read 
your contract - you my have arbitration rights before a shut-off.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon


From w2xj at w2xj.net  Thu Oct 21 14:01:56 2021
From: w2xj at w2xj.net (w2xj at w2xj.net)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 14:01:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <CAEVEBrNYbiqhpZfgucqEg=h6Vu97UwHbVmAZLgmTC+O2V4Fm3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEVEBrPfyTuYZjQ1Yz8JHO=1Y-cQqMJ4pWvwH4+7bfaWKA1wxA@mail.gmail.com>
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A T-mobile hotspot is probably easiest. With 5G, I have measured speeds up to 700 megabits and typically around 300 megabits with the occasional dip to 100 megabits. $50 per month. 


> On October 21, 2021 12:27 PM Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:
> 
>  
> My girlfriend has a setup like this in rural NH. Cricket Wireless will sell
> you a whopping 100 GB data on AT&It's network for just $55 a month. We get
> about 15 Mbps down and 5 Mbps up with 50ms latency (to speedtest.net's
> servers), although of course that will vary based on AT&T's local network.
> 
> She's got a fancy industrial/weatherproof modem; I can find out the model
> if you're interested.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Julie
> 
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 12:09 Alan Bloom <n1al at sonic.net> wrote:
> 
> >
> > On 10/21/2021 9:43 AM, Drew AF2Z wrote:
> > > Dump Comcast at the soonest opportunity.
> >
> > There may be more options than you realize that avoid having to deal
> > with the cable company and have no potential for interference to/from
> > the amateur station.
> >
> > I recently bought a house here (near St. George Utah).  There is no
> > cable in my neighborhood so at first it appeared that the only option
> > was DSL (via the telephone line) at 3 Mbps for $50/month.
> >
> > But a quick Internet search found three local companies that offer
> > "Fixed Wireless" Internet service.  This is where they beam the Internet
> > to you via microwave from stations on nearby mountains. Costs range from
> > $40 to $200/month for 25 to 300 Mbps.
> >
> > I had a similar setup back at my house in California that had no DSL or
> > cable available in the neighborhood.  Once I got the antenna properly
> > located it worked reliably and of course there was no QRM to/from the
> > HF/2 meter ham gear.
> >
> > Alan N1AL
> >
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From k6dgwnv at gmail.com  Thu Oct 21 14:10:02 2021
From: k6dgwnv at gmail.com (Fred)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 11:10:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Suggestion re dealing with Xfinity and similar
In-Reply-To: <12a9f902-00f1-845b-4632-545b3c6229a3@kanafi.org>
References: <CAMESYMcR3281iCfkGyKnXXaCs87iz2b4mg3rHhAGA2En=uecSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<12a9f902-00f1-845b-4632-545b3c6229a3@kanafi.org>
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That's worked for me twice in the last several years.? First answer will 
be "What?"? Just persist ... perhaps asking to speak to someone who 
knows what a Registered Agent for Service of Process is.? We had a 
problem in the ice maker of a new fridge, the warranty service company 
kept sending out a couple of early 20 somethings who spent all the time 
on the phone following instructions. When I finally called to ask for 
the RA, I said, "I would just look this up on your business license, but 
it expired 3 years ago and the Registered Agent may have changed."? 10 
seconds later, I was conversing with the owner.? Friendly, even tone of 
voice ... really effective.

73,

Fred["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

Phil Kane wrote on 10/20/2021 7:00 PM:
> Eric --
>
> Before you do that, call their Customer Service desk and say - word 
> for word in a gentle tone - "Please tell me the name and address of 
> your Registered Agent for Service of Process".? When they finally 
> understand what you are asking, that usually strikes fear into any 
> corporate entity that they may face litigation, and then they start to 
> listen to you.
>
> As a communications attorney I have had to use that tactic for several 
> clients with success.? I would have loved to jump in to support you on 
> this case but I am on medical leave as? several folks here know 
> fighting serious cancer.? I can still answer questions as needed and 
> as my health situation allows.
>
> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
> ARRL Volunteer Counsel 



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From ac5p at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct 21 14:24:36 2021
From: ac5p at sbcglobal.net (Mike Maloney)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 18:24:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT;  large ferrite toroid core?
References: <43173652.2890532.1634840676869.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43173652.2890532.1634840676869@mail.yahoo.com>

We were gifted a somewhat large (6"OD, 2.6" ID, 9/16" thick) ferrite core of unknown mix and original use.? ?On face was marked 6.6uH w/4turns.? ?My thinking it might make a good common mode RF choke on the output of an inverter generator or on coax feedline.? ? Not familiar with properties of toroid cores of this size.? ?Any ideas?
73, Mike AC5P

From ve3dss at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 21 14:32:20 2021
From: ve3dss at hotmail.com (Dana)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 14:32:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
Message-ID: <PH0PR11MB4936E4838A43B363F099ECBD8BBF9@PH0PR11MB4936.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Questions:

1. is this coax?
2. do you use a cable modem?

I found on 160 m my cable modem kept resetting?
discovered the upstream side uses HF and above 30 Mhz!!!
Fix?  
Grounded the cable to my system ground (the existing cable ground was a joke) ?put some ferrites on the cable near the modem.
as a precaution put the modem in a copper screened box for testing?
Reset cured -  ? with proper grounding and ferrites?.

You are Federally regulated, and so is the Cable company? so any issues are likely their plant or
the gear attached to their plant?..(ie cable modems with improper bypassing or disconnecte drop lines etc...

The towers stay, send that reigstered letter and CC ARRL?.

73 Dana Ve3DS


From w3tb.ted at gmail.com  Thu Oct 21 16:03:09 2021
From: w3tb.ted at gmail.com (Ted Edwards W3TB)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 15:03:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Suggestion re dealing with Xfinity and similar
In-Reply-To: <5911e7b1-0afd-9bdf-70d5-6715475c5623@gmail.com>
References: <CAMESYMcR3281iCfkGyKnXXaCs87iz2b4mg3rHhAGA2En=uecSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<12a9f902-00f1-845b-4632-545b3c6229a3@kanafi.org>
	<5911e7b1-0afd-9bdf-70d5-6715475c5623@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGhFmTiTfNF1PJSwbC4iJvemVSHoH+1jOCzMgXDJTCr9GXvevA@mail.gmail.com>

This, and others that may come along, could become a terrific booklet and a
standard of procedure for all of us.

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 1:11 PM Fred <k6dgwnv at gmail.com> wrote:

> That's worked for me twice in the last several years.  First answer will
> be "What?"  Just persist ... perhaps asking to speak to someone who
> knows what a Registered Agent for Service of Process is.  We had a
> problem in the ice maker of a new fridge, the warranty service company
> kept sending out a couple of early 20 somethings who spent all the time
> on the phone following instructions. When I finally called to ask for
> the RA, I said, "I would just look this up on your business license, but
> it expired 3 years ago and the Registered Agent may have changed."  10
> seconds later, I was conversing with the owner.  Friendly, even tone of
> voice ... really effective.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> Phil Kane wrote on 10/20/2021 7:00 PM:
> > Eric --
> >
> > Before you do that, call their Customer Service desk and say - word
> > for word in a gentle tone - "Please tell me the name and address of
> > your Registered Agent for Service of Process".  When they finally
> > understand what you are asking, that usually strikes fear into any
> > corporate entity that they may face litigation, and then they start to
> > listen to you.
> >
> > As a communications attorney I have had to use that tactic for several
> > clients with success.  I would have loved to jump in to support you on
> > this case but I am on medical leave as  several folks here know
> > fighting serious cancer.  I can still answer questions as needed and
> > as my health situation allows.
> >
> > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
> > ARRL Volunteer Counsel
>
>
>
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and thinking about operating CW:
"Do today what others won't,
so you can do tomorrow what others can't."

From mongoose1951 at googlemail.com  Thu Oct 21 16:10:06 2021
From: mongoose1951 at googlemail.com (Ron Bell)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 22:10:06 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
Message-ID: <01ae01d7c6b7$a435c0e0$eca142a0$@googlemail.com>

Unless you have no alternatives, find another ISP.  Comcast is not a great
or consumer focused company.  If you have a lot of time and energy, you can
fight this and may win.  If you dont have Verizon or an alternative wireline
company in your area, look into Starlink, still in Beta but I am hearing
great reviews from those who have it.

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   1. Re: HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
      (Gary K9GS)
   2. Suggestion re dealing with Xfinity and similar (Steve Stutman)
   3. Re: HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
      (Michael Walker)
   4. Re: HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
      (AB2E Darrell)
   5. Re: HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
      (Wayne Burdick)
   6. Re: HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
      (Kris Mraz)
   7. Re: HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS (Fred)
   8. Re: Suggestion re dealing with Xfinity and similar (Phil Kane)
   9.  HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS (John Harper)
  10. Re: HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
      (Al Lorona)
  11. Re: HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
      (Julia Tuttle)
  12. External keying auto detect on KX3? (Paul Huff)
  13. Re: External keying auto detect on KX3? (Julia Tuttle)
  14. Through-hole Replacement for K3 Q5 (2N7002) (Pete Smith N4ZR)
  15. Re: HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
      (Buck K4IA)
  16. Re: External keying auto detect on KX3? (Julia Tuttle)
  17. Re: HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS (Hank)
  18. Re: HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
      (Drew AF2Z)
  19. Re: HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
      (Julia Tuttle)
  20. Re: Suggestion re dealing with Xfinity and similar (Gwen Patton)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 20:02:21 -0400
From: Gary K9GS <k9gs at gjschwartz.com>
To: eric norris <gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com>, Elecraft Reflector
	<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM
	ANTENNAS
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

I would also suggest posting this on the RFI reflector.73,Gary K9GS
-------- Original message --------From: Gary K9GS <k9gs at gjschwartz.com>
Date: 10/20/21  7:55 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: eric norris
<gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com>, Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
Hi Eric,Xfinity is a closed system.? If your amateur radio operations are
causing problems it is their problem to fix.That said, a non ham friend back
in WI has been having recurring outages on his Spectrum system.? Technicians
have been out to his house several times and they acknowledge that there is
a problem in his subdivision.? Spectrum has documentation of the outages.The
last visit by Spectrum the technician said that the problem was probably
caused by a ham in the neighborhood.? ?As far as I know there are no hams
near him.? The problem is that Spectrum doesn?t want to spend the time or
the resources to fix the problem. It's just easier to blame the neighborhood
ham.I explained this to my friend and
  he recently was told that Spectrum was going to replace the trunk lines
and distribution amps in the subdivision.? No committment on a date
yet.73,Gary K9GS-------- Original message --------From: eric norris via
Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Date: 10/20/21? 2:22 PM? (GMT-05:00) To:
Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: [Elecraft] HELP!?
XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS Dear Gang:Xfinity, our
internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the XYL
that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had
caused wide area outages.? Oddly, these wide area outages did not include my
own house.? They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were
the problemThe last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and
opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use
14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w
unless I'm in a rare contest.? I asked  to speak to a technical guy--they
gave me a number which I called, but he never called back.Any Ideas?? Does
anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications lawyer??
Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd appreciate
any help.??My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.? Being off the
air is unimaginable.Frantic,73, Eric WD6DBM?
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 20:19:56 -0400
From: Steve Stutman <radiorobots at gmail.com>
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Suggestion re dealing with Xfinity and similar
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Hi,

When needing to get a result from anything publicly regulated, consider
using something other than the interwebs or 800 number.

K6MR points in the right direction.

Specifically:

Write a certified letter, return receipt requested, to the CEO or president
of the involved entity and cc: via the same method to head of your Public
Utilities Commission, or whatever you have in 6, as suggested by Ken.

State your case and surrounding events clearly, much as you have done here
on the list.

Point out that you are a licensed operator of a Federally licensed radio
station.

It may say Amateur, but it is still Federally regulated and you have rights.

You might state your degree of willingness to work with them to solve their
problems at no cost; I know of a couple of instances in which people were
intimidated and apologetically bent over backwards twice and of one case in
which the op told them to pound sand and threatened to identify their
technical incompetence to the media.

First two people got some results over the course of weeks, the third person
got action in two hours.

One presumes that there is some technical competence somewhere in the
company, but obviously not so with the representatives coming to your door.

If, in fact, your station is causing any issues, the most likely cause is
that they are using poorly designed, offshore manufactured equipment.

The various type acceptances on a lot of gear are printed on a label, but
not measured in a lab; hard to imagine.


When I get on 20m here my "smoke and monoxide" detectors sound off. One of
these days I'll run more than 100W, but one presumes it's just RF getting
into poorly shielded gear.

FWIW, these same detectors occasionally spontaneously sound off every year
or two at O dark.

Company has replaced six detectors three times; I wonder why?


Over the years I have sent certified letters to utilities to deal with
issues in a professional capacity as well as personally, i.e. stuff at the
house.

In most cases it will get you engaged with someone who is both knowledgeable
and in authority.

Certainly not someone who blames "an antenna" for second rate gear in a
poorly designed system.

Hope that you are able to get a good response and get your 'net back.

73,

Steve

KL7JT/1


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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 20:25:19 -0400
From: Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM
	ANTENNAS
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I guess hooking up the KPA500 right to your Xfinity Coax and doing automated
FT8 on 20M would not be the best thing to do.  :)

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

And, seriously, if it was me, I would head to the main local office if you
can. find the manager or owner and request him to show the data that proves
what is going on.  Don't be afraid to ask him if he is guessing or does he
have empirical evidence.  Take some technical help with you if you need it
and be professional.

I would also say, you have no proof as my internet works fine even when I
transmit.  Come over and watch for yourself.

Also, is the lack of internet affecting your health and safety?  Ask them if
they wish to take the liability for that.  Are there other ways you can go
on the offensive?

Best of luck, Mike va3mw


On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 7:56 PM Gary K9GS <k9gs at gjschwartz.com> wrote:

> Hi Eric,Xfinity is a closed system.  If your amateur radio operations 
> are causing problems it is their problem to fix.That said, a non ham 
> friend back in WI has been having recurring outages on his Spectrum
system.
> Technicians have been out to his house several times and they 
> acknowledge that there is a problem in his subdivision.  Spectrum has 
> documentation of the outages.The last visit by Spectrum the technician
said that the problem
> was probably caused by a ham in the neighborhood.   As far as I know there
> are no hams near him.  The problem is that Spectrum doesn?t want to 
> spend the time or the resources to fix the problem. It's just easier 
> to blame the neighborhood ham.I explained this to my friend and he 
> recently was told that Spectrum was going to replace the trunk lines 
> and distribution amps in the subdivision.  No committment on a date 
> yet.73,Gary K9GS
> -------- Original message --------From: eric norris via Elecraft < 
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Date: 10/20/21  2:22 PM  (GMT-05:00) To:
> Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: [Elecraft] HELP!
> XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS Dear Gang:Xfinity, our 
> internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the 
> XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio 
> activities had caused wide area outages.  Oddly, these wide area 
> outages did not include my own house.  They told her the antennas 
> themselves--absent any power--were the problemThe last time I was 
> threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded 
> ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier 
> frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare 
> contest.  I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number 
> which I called, but he never called back.Any Ideas?  Does anyone have 
> a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications lawyer?  
> Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd appreciate
any help.  My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.
> Being off the air is unimaginable.Frantic,73, Eric WD6DBM?
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 00:41:29 +0000
From: AB2E Darrell <ab2e at hotmail.com>
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM
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Eric,
I'm skeptical. Did you receive anything in writing or see a letter from
Comcast stating this?
It sounds more like the Comcast tech taking it on himself to say you are
being banned.
I would call their customer service and check the status of your account,
get something in writing if it's true, then contact your state authority
that regulates telecoms, and file a complaint.
I've never heard of anyone being banned as a customer by Comcast.

73 Darrell AB2E





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behalf of Kevin Cozens <kevin at ve3syb.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 3:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

On 2021-10-20 2:21 p.m., eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
> Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to 
> explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my 
> amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages.[snip] They told 
> her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem

Anyone telling you the mere presence of an antenna is the source of problem
is someone who has absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

Ask them for a list of the dates, times, and durations of some of the area
wide outages and compare that information against your log book to see if
there is any correlation.

It is very likely there are other hams in your area. It could be someone
else causing the problem who may not be an Xfinity customer. If any ham
radio, or other radio transmissions, are causing their systems problems it
shows they haven't properly protected their equipment from stray RF and/or
they have a problem with an installation somewhere.

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 17:51:17 -0700
From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM
	ANTENNAS
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Is it true that, at a certain power level (left as an exercise for the
reader), one can cauterize pesky coax nodes?

Wayne



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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 20:23:25 -0500
From: Kris Mraz <kilo.mike at gte.net>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM
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When I put my tower up 25 yrs ago my next door neighbor complained of
interference. I went over to his house to watch for TVI while a ham friend
was at my house keying the transmitter. Suddenly a window started vibrating
causing a buzzing sound. He said ?See, SEE!?. Just then his wife calls out
from another room ?Honey, it?s just the dryer?.

Never had another complaint after that. ?

Kris N5KM




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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 18:53:36 -0700
From: Fred <k6dgwnv at gmail.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM
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Circa 1958:? Neighbor and TV Repairman came to my parent's door ... 
"Your son's ham radio is interfering with my TV.? Dad: "Our son has been
away at college for 2 years and his radio equipment is packed up in the
closet."? Long pause ... then TV guy, "Well his wire antenna is still up
there and it's between my customer and Mt. Wilson, and it's sucking all the
signal out of the air."? Dad: "I'll ask him to take it down next time he
comes home."? That didn't happen 'til maybe another year, I had a full time
job at the local TV station at college and didn't get home very often.? I
did finally take it down, neighbor's TV still didn't work well, and he still
blamed me.
--
73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

Kris Mraz wrote on 10/20/2021 6:23 PM:
> When I put my tower up 25 yrs ago my next door neighbor complained of
interference. I went over to his house to watch for TVI while a ham friend
was at my house keying the transmitter. Suddenly a window started vibrating
causing a buzzing sound. He said ?See, SEE!?. Just then his wife calls out
from another room ?Honey, it?s just the dryer?.
>
> Never had another complaint after that. ?
>
> Kris N5KM



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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 19:00:58 -0700
From: Phil Kane <k2asp at kanafi.org>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Suggestion re dealing with Xfinity and similar
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On 10/20/2021 5:19 PM, Steve Stutman wrote:

> Write a certified letter, return receipt requested, to the CEO or
president
> of the involved entity and cc: via the same method to head of your Public
> Utilities Commission, or whatever you have in 6, as suggested by Ken.

Eric --

Before you do that, call their Customer Service desk and say - word for 
word in a gentle tone - "Please tell me the name and address of your 
Registered Agent for Service of Process".  When they finally understand 
what you are asking, that usually strikes fear into any corporate entity 
that they may face litigation, and then they start to listen to you.

As a communications attorney I have had to use that tactic for several 
clients with success.  I would have loved to jump in to support you on 
this case but I am on medical leave as  several folks here know fighting 
serious cancer.  I can still answer questions as needed and as my health 
situation allows.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
ARRL Volunteer Counsel



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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 06:30:55 -0500
From: John Harper <johnae5x at gmail.com>
To: Elecraft list <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft]  HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM
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"Just our luck - ham radio operators":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alI2TWuL3cs

John AE5X
https://ae5x.blogspot.com


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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 13:26:48 +0000 (UTC)
From: Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net>
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM
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Jim beat me to it. I was also going to urge you to transmit as much as
possible on 20 meters with the highest power you can. The idea is to become
a hair ball that Xfinity can't swallow nor can't cough back up.

If anybody comes up to you to complain that you're still causing outages,
use the same twisted logic that Xfinity used and tell them, "That's
impossible. It couldn't be me because Xfinity has already disconnected me."

Al? W6LX/4



>>> and 3) operate at you highest practical power 
>>>level as often as possible.

>>>73, Jim K9YC



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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 09:35:40 -0400
From: Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net>
To: Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM
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But remember, you're required to use the lowest power level feasible...

...so time to try for some really challenging DX, and keep your logs!

Seriously though, did you find out if they're actually kicking you off or
if this was just a grumpy local tech misguidedly trying to fix a problem by
threatening you?

73,

Julie

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 09:27 Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Jim beat me to it. I was also going to urge you to transmit as much as
> possible on 20 meters with the highest power you can. The idea is to
become
> a hair ball that Xfinity can't swallow nor can't cough back up.
>
> If anybody comes up to you to complain that you're still causing outages,
> use the same twisted logic that Xfinity used and tell them, "That's
> impossible. It couldn't be me because Xfinity has already disconnected
me."
>
> Al  W6LX/4
>
>
>
> >>> and 3) operate at you highest practical power
> >>>level as often as possible.
>
> >>>73, Jim K9YC
>
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 09:43:41 -0400
From: Paul Huff <paul142857 at gmail.com>
To: Elecraft Email List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] External keying auto detect on KX3?
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My new KX3 is in the mail and I am really looking forward to getting it!
There is a little trick that works on the K2, using a couple of diodes, that
allows you to have both a straight key and a paddle plugged in at the same
time and the rig will auto-detect which one is being used at a given time.
Does this same auto-detect work on the KX3 or do you have to make a menu
entry each time you switch keying devices?

Thanks in advance for any replies.

73,

Paul - N8XMS
100% QRP CW





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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 09:53:21 -0400
From: Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net>
To: Paul Huff <paul142857 at gmail.com>
Cc: Elecraft Email List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] External keying auto detect on KX3?
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Oh, that's a cool trick! Sadly, I don't see anything in the manual or on
Google about it for the KX3.

You can, of course, always assign that menu option to PF1 or PF2, or go
further and do one of the cute pairs of macros to toggle between the two
modes you use.

Congrats on the KX3, by the way! It is a delightful rig.

73,

Julie

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 09:44 Paul Huff <paul142857 at gmail.com> wrote:

> My new KX3 is in the mail and I am really looking forward to getting it!
> There is a little trick that works on the K2, using a couple of diodes,
> that allows you to have both a straight key and a paddle plugged in at the
> same time and the rig will auto-detect which one is being used at a given
> time.  Does this same auto-detect work on the KX3 or do you have to make a
> menu entry each time you switch keying devices?
>
> Thanks in advance for any replies.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul - N8XMS
> 100% QRP CW
>
>
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 09:54:02 -0400
From: Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr at gmail.com>
To: Elecraft List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Through-hole Replacement for K3 Q5 (2N7002)
Message-ID: <bba6751a-d187-9469-3e75-d03f9fa28e68 at gmail.com>
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The original surface-mount part seems to be back in stock in the US, but 
I'm afraid that what I need is a through-hole equivalent, because the PC 
board where the old one was mounted is a wreck (damage from part 
failure, plus my ham-handed efforts to replace it). Google thinks a 
2N7000 will do, but I'd sure like to get an expert opinion.

-- 
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 10:04:06 -0400
From: Buck K4IA <radiok4ia at gmail.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM
	ANTENNAS
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My bet is you have a rogue tech who couldn't find the problem and 
decided to blame you.? He greatly exceeded his authority and as soon as 
a higher-up hears what happened, this will be reversed.? Besides, since 
we know you aren't the problem, the problem is still there and his 
"solution" will be proven wrong.

Buck, K4IA
DXCC Honor Roll
8BDXCC
Author EasyWayHamBooks.com

On 10/21/2021 9:35 AM, Julia Tuttle wrote:
> But remember, you're required to use the lowest power level feasible...
>
> ...so time to try for some really challenging DX, and keep your logs!
>
> Seriously though, did you find out if they're actually kicking you off or
> if this was just a grumpy local tech misguidedly trying to fix a problem
by
> threatening you?
>
> 73,
>
> Julie
>
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 09:27 Al Lorona<alorona at sbcglobal.net>  wrote:
>
>> Jim beat me to it. I was also going to urge you to transmit as much as
>> possible on 20 meters with the highest power you can. The idea is to
become
>> a hair ball that Xfinity can't swallow nor can't cough back up.
>>
>> If anybody comes up to you to complain that you're still causing outages,
>> use the same twisted logic that Xfinity used and tell them, "That's
>> impossible. It couldn't be me because Xfinity has already disconnected
me."
>>
>> Al  W6LX/4
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> and 3) operate at you highest practical power
>>>>> level as often as possible.
>>>>> 73, Jim K9YC
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 10:47:35 -0400
From: Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net>
To: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
Cc: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] External keying auto detect on KX3?
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Oh, yes, that's what I have -- KXPD3 on the front, straight key plugged in
to the key jack -- but I assumed Paul was looking for a setup for discrete
external paddles.

73,

Julie

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 10:46 Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name> wrote:

> The KX3 does have thi separate paddle jack for the matching KXPD3 paddles
> you can put on the front, so I guess you could use that.
>
>
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Email: buddy at brannan.name
> Mobile: (814) 431-0962
>
>
>
> > On Oct 21, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:
> >
> > Oh, that's a cool trick! Sadly, I don't see anything in the manual or on
> > Google about it for the KX3.
> >
> > You can, of course, always assign that menu option to PF1 or PF2, or go
> > further and do one of the cute pairs of macros to toggle between the two
> > modes you use.
> >
> > Congrats on the KX3, by the way! It is a delightful rig.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Julie
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 09:44 Paul Huff <paul142857 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> My new KX3 is in the mail and I am really looking forward to getting
it!
> >> There is a little trick that works on the K2, using a couple of diodes,
> >> that allows you to have both a straight key and a paddle plugged in at
> the
> >> same time and the rig will auto-detect which one is being used at a
> given
> >> time.  Does this same auto-detect work on the KX3 or do you have to
> make a
> >> menu entry each time you switch keying devices?
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance for any replies.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> Paul - N8XMS
> >> 100% QRP CW
> >>
> >>
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 11:31:38 -0400
From: Hank <hbjr at optilink.us>
To: Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net>
Cc: Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net>, Elecraft
	<Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM
	ANTENNAS
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Good advice - don?t be unprofessional just because a rogue technician is. 

Hank
K4HYJ 

> On Oct 21, 2021, at 9:36 AM, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:
> 
> ?But remember, you're required to use the lowest power level feasible...
> 
> ...so time to try for some really challenging DX, and keep your logs!
> 
> Seriously though, did you find out if they're actually kicking you off or
> if this was just a grumpy local tech misguidedly trying to fix a problem
by
> threatening you?
> 
> 73,
> 
> Julie
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 09:27 Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Jim beat me to it. I was also going to urge you to transmit as much as
>> possible on 20 meters with the highest power you can. The idea is to
become
>> a hair ball that Xfinity can't swallow nor can't cough back up.
>> 
>> If anybody comes up to you to complain that you're still causing outages,
>> use the same twisted logic that Xfinity used and tell them, "That's
>> impossible. It couldn't be me because Xfinity has already disconnected
me."
>> 
>> Al  W6LX/4
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>>> and 3) operate at you highest practical power
>>>>> level as often as possible.
>> 
>>>>> 73, Jim K9YC
>> 
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 11:43:46 -0400
From: Drew AF2Z <pubx1 at af2z.net>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM
	ANTENNAS
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I would take the easiest way: tell them whatever BS they need to hear to 
be satisfied; then operate however you like without restriction. Dump 
Comcast at the soonest opportunity.

I would not waste my time with lawyers, letters, phone calls, 
explanations, etc. As Mark Twain said: Never argue with an idiot; they 
will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. This is 
similar to dealing with corporate bureaucracy.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 10/21/21 10:31, Hank via Elecraft wrote:
> Good advice - don?t be unprofessional just because a rogue technician is.
> 
> Hank
> K4HYJ
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2021, at 9:36 AM, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?But remember, you're required to use the lowest power level feasible...
>>
>> ...so time to try for some really challenging DX, and keep your logs!
>>
>> Seriously though, did you find out if they're actually kicking you off or
>> if this was just a grumpy local tech misguidedly trying to fix a problem
by
>> threatening you?
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 09:27 Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Jim beat me to it. I was also going to urge you to transmit as much as
>>> possible on 20 meters with the highest power you can. The idea is to
become
>>> a hair ball that Xfinity can't swallow nor can't cough back up.
>>>
>>> If anybody comes up to you to complain that you're still causing
outages,
>>> use the same twisted logic that Xfinity used and tell them, "That's
>>> impossible. It couldn't be me because Xfinity has already disconnected
me."
>>>
>>> Al  W6LX/4
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> and 3) operate at you highest practical power
>>>>>> level as often as possible.
>>>
>>>>>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>>
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 11:45:12 -0400
From: Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net>
To: pubx1 at af2z.net
Cc: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM
	ANTENNAS
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Yeah, but they may only be satisfied if all the antennas are gone, and
that's not practical.

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 11:44 Drew AF2Z <pubx1 at af2z.net> wrote:

> I would take the easiest way: tell them whatever BS they need to hear to
> be satisfied; then operate however you like without restriction. Dump
> Comcast at the soonest opportunity.
>
> I would not waste my time with lawyers, letters, phone calls,
> explanations, etc. As Mark Twain said: Never argue with an idiot; they
> will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. This is
> similar to dealing with corporate bureaucracy.
>
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
>
>
>
> On 10/21/21 10:31, Hank via Elecraft wrote:
> > Good advice - don?t be unprofessional just because a rogue technician
is.
> >
> > Hank
> > K4HYJ
> >
> >> On Oct 21, 2021, at 9:36 AM, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?But remember, you're required to use the lowest power level
feasible...
> >>
> >> ...so time to try for some really challenging DX, and keep your logs!
> >>
> >> Seriously though, did you find out if they're actually kicking you off
> or
> >> if this was just a grumpy local tech misguidedly trying to fix a
> problem by
> >> threatening you?
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> Julie
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 09:27 Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Jim beat me to it. I was also going to urge you to transmit as much as
> >>> possible on 20 meters with the highest power you can. The idea is to
> become
> >>> a hair ball that Xfinity can't swallow nor can't cough back up.
> >>>
> >>> If anybody comes up to you to complain that you're still causing
> outages,
> >>> use the same twisted logic that Xfinity used and tell them, "That's
> >>> impossible. It couldn't be me because Xfinity has already disconnected
> me."
> >>>
> >>> Al  W6LX/4
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> and 3) operate at you highest practical power
> >>>>>> level as often as possible.
> >>>
> >>>>>> 73, Jim K9YC
> >>>
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 20:31:43 -0400
From: Gwen Patton <ardrhi at gmail.com>
To: Steve Stutman <radiorobots at gmail.com>
Cc: Elecraft <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Suggestion re dealing with Xfinity and similar
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The bulk of consumer electronics, like wi-fi routers, is covered under Part
15, and it is therefore the responsibility of the operator of the Part 15
gear to deal with interference issues, NOT a neighborhood ham. Hams are not
responsible for interference to Part 15 gear. In fact, Part 15 gear has the
following information on it, usually on a sticker (emphasis mine):

This device complies with part 15 of the FCC Rules. Operation is subject to
> the following two conditions: (1) This device may not cause harmful
> interference, and *(2) this device must accept any interference received,
> including interference that may cause undesired operation.*


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
73,
Gwen, NG3P


On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 8:20 PM Steve Stutman <radiorobots at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> When needing to get a result from anything publicly regulated, consider
> using something other than the interwebs or 800 number.
>
> K6MR points in the right direction.
>
> Specifically:
>
> Write a certified letter, return receipt requested, to the CEO or
president
> of the involved entity and cc: via the same method to head of your Public
> Utilities Commission, or whatever you have in 6, as suggested by Ken.
>
> State your case and surrounding events clearly, much as you have done here
> on the list.
>
> Point out that you are a licensed operator of a Federally licensed radio
> station.
>
> It may say Amateur, but it is still Federally regulated and you have
> rights.
>
> You might state your degree of willingness to work with them to solve
their
> problems at no cost; I know of a couple of instances in which people were
> intimidated and apologetically bent over backwards twice and of one case
in
> which the op told them to pound sand and threatened to identify their
> technical incompetence to the media.
>
> First two people got some results over the course of weeks, the third
> person got action in two hours.
>
> One presumes that there is some technical competence somewhere in the
> company, but obviously not so with the representatives coming to your
door.
>
> If, in fact, your station is causing any issues, the most likely cause is
> that they are using poorly designed, offshore manufactured equipment.
>
> The various type acceptances on a lot of gear are printed on a label, but
> not measured in a lab; hard to imagine.
>
>
> When I get on 20m here my "smoke and monoxide" detectors sound off. One of
> these days I'll run more than 100W, but one presumes it's just RF getting
> into poorly shielded gear.
>
> FWIW, these same detectors occasionally spontaneously sound off every year
> or two at O dark.
>
> Company has replaced six detectors three times; I wonder why?
>
>
> Over the years I have sent certified letters to utilities to deal with
> issues in a professional capacity as well as personally, i.e. stuff at the
> house.
>
> In most cases it will get you engaged with someone who is both
> knowledgeable and in authority.
>
> Certainly not someone who blames "an antenna" for second rate gear in a
> poorly designed system.
>
> Hope that you are able to get a good response and get your 'net back.
>
> 73,
>
> Steve
>
> KL7JT/1
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Oct 21 16:51:34 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 13:51:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1634783559.5127997.1634754113889@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ce24b154-0609-90c8-611a-0031a229c1ec@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/20/2021 11:21 AM, eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
> My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.? Being off the air is unimaginable.

Hi Eric,

I see that you're in Santa Clara, so likely have many options for 
alternate carriers.

Street View shows pretty much unobstructed view of the sky which makes 
you a great candidate for Starlink. W6GJB and I have both signed up for 
it, and are six months into waiting. Neither of us has cell coverage. 
Comcast and satellite are my only options, Glen has flaky DSL from AT&T, 
and satellite. He's tried two, latency makes them slow and prone to 
dropouts. He has a good enough view of the sky that Starlink needs; mine 
is pretty limited by the tall redwoods, but I'm hoping.

73, Jim K9YC

From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Thu Oct 21 17:24:52 2021
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 16:24:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <ce24b154-0609-90c8-611a-0031a229c1ec@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889.ref@mail.yahoo.com>	<1634783559.5127997.1634754113889@mail.yahoo.com>
	<ce24b154-0609-90c8-611a-0031a229c1ec@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <042f01d7c6c2$168a81d0$439f8570$@LNAINC.com>

We had satellite several years ago, and had frequent outages - especially in the Spring - due to severe weather, sometimes far away, but in line with the satellites.  We first switched to AT&T DSL and it was OK 15 years ago.  

Eventually we went with Comcast/Xfinity cable, and have had virtually non-stop service for at least 10 - 12 years.  They own the cable biz in Chicagoland, and outages are at a fraction of 1%.  Most notably occurring only when they have upgraded service (like installing fiber).

I currently have 235 Mbps down, and about 20 up for ~$80/mo.

We get the bulk of our TV OTA (85 broadcast stations) plus occasional streaming ... but our main cable use is Internet.

73
Lyn, W0LEN



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Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 3:52 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

On 10/20/2021 11:21 AM, eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
> My XYL depends on an internet connection to work.  Being off the air is unimaginable.

Hi Eric,

I see that you're in Santa Clara, so likely have many options for 
alternate carriers.

Street View shows pretty much unobstructed view of the sky which makes 
you a great candidate for Starlink. W6GJB and I have both signed up for 
it, and are six months into waiting. Neither of us has cell coverage. 
Comcast and satellite are my only options, Glen has flaky DSL from AT&T, 
and satellite. He's tried two, latency makes them slow and prone to 
dropouts. He has a good enough view of the sky that Starlink needs; mine 
is pretty limited by the tall redwoods, but I'm hoping.

73, Jim K9YC
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Oct 21 17:40:20 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 14:40:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <042f01d7c6c2$168a81d0$439f8570$@LNAINC.com>
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On 10/21/2021 2:24 PM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
> I currently have 235 Mbps down, and about 20 up for ~$80/mo.

My speeds are nowhere near that in the Santa Cruz Mountains, but 
certainly more than good enough -- typically 85 MBPS down. The problem 
with their "service" is the lack of adequate backup for the loss of PG&E 
power at their fiber repeaters. 6 hours is the best they can fit in the 
enclosures, and before our massive wildfire last summer, battery 
capacity had deteriorated to 5 minutes. It's not uncommon for storms and 
failures in the PG&E system to last 2-4 days. With no cell coverage 
under normal conditions. when PG&E drops, we're out of biz.

73, Jim K9YC

From k6mr at outlook.com  Thu Oct 21 18:50:12 2021
From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 22:50:12 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Through-hole Replacement for K3 Q5 (2N7002)
In-Reply-To: <bba6751a-d187-9469-3e75-d03f9fa28e68@gmail.com>
References: <bba6751a-d187-9469-3e75-d03f9fa28e68@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SJ0PR07MB8584A1D10CA7CB0A4E1F92999EBF9@SJ0PR07MB8584.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

The Fairchild/On Semi data sheet is common to the 2N7000/2N7002/NDS7002A.  There are some differences in the maximum ratings, with the 2N7000 good for more continuous drain current (probably due to the TO-92 package).  They all have the same drain-source breakdown voltage (60V).

I?m assuming this is Q5 on the main RF board.  The active device parameters are different but not enough to worry about in the circuit where Q5 is used.  It is nothing but a switch to reverse the active state of the 7R line to activate the big FET used for the Key Out line.  The 2N7000 will be fine.

Ken K6MR

From: Pete Smith N4ZR<mailto:pete.n4zr at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 06:56
To: Elecraft List<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Through-hole Replacement for K3 Q5 (2N7002)

The original surface-mount part seems to be back in stock in the US, but
I'm afraid that what I need is a through-hole equivalent, because the PC
board where the old one was mounted is a wreck (damage from part
failure, plus my ham-handed efforts to replace it). Google thinks a
2N7000 will do, but I'd sure like to get an expert opinion.

--
73, Pete N4ZR
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web server at <http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

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From rick at tavan.com  Thu Oct 21 19:29:43 2021
From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 16:29:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <162ba7f1-85c8-08e0-cab3-abb1908b0f55@gmail.com>
References: <323738C1-E662-4DEE-9315-F117D8192D9B.ref@gte.net>
	<323738C1-E662-4DEE-9315-F117D8192D9B@gte.net>
	<162ba7f1-85c8-08e0-cab3-abb1908b0f55@gmail.com>
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OK, gotta tell my favorite TVI tale: When I was a kid, my dad got a TVI
complaint from our next door neighbor in Maryland:

K3QDC: Are you sure it's me?
Neighbor: Yes, you said <X> and...
K3QDC: Yes, that was me!
Neighbor: ... and then he said <Y>.
K3QDC: Oh, I see. Ma'am, the fellow who said that is in Texas. Your TV
appears to be an excellent shortwave receiver.

This was on 15M AM and the TV in question had a 21 Mc. I.F., ubiquitous in
those days. The neighbor gave up.

/Rick N6XI
Formerly K3QDD

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 6:54 PM Fred <k6dgwnv at gmail.com> wrote:

> Circa 1958:  Neighbor and TV Repairman came to my parent's door ...
> "Your son's ham radio is interfering with my TV.  Dad: "Our son has been
> away at college for 2 years and his radio equipment is packed up in the
> closet."  Long pause ... then TV guy, "Well his wire antenna is still up
> there and it's between my customer and Mt. Wilson, and it's sucking all
> the signal out of the air."  Dad: "I'll ask him to take it down next
> time he comes home."  That didn't happen 'til maybe another year, I had
> a full time job at the local TV station at college and didn't get home
> very often.  I did finally take it down, neighbor's TV still didn't work
> well, and he still blamed me.
> --
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> Kris Mraz wrote on 10/20/2021 6:23 PM:
> > When I put my tower up 25 yrs ago my next door neighbor complained of
> interference. I went over to his house to watch for TVI while a ham friend
> was at my house keying the transmitter. Suddenly a window started vibrating
> causing a buzzing sound. He said ?See, SEE!?. Just then his wife calls out
> from another room ?Honey, it?s just the dryer?.
> >
> > Never had another complaint after that. ?
> >
> > Kris N5KM
>
>
>
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From k6dgwnv at gmail.com  Thu Oct 21 19:57:19 2021
From: k6dgwnv at gmail.com (Fred)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 16:57:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <CANVONAKW8P+uztbQjxUYWjnFjmwnT0Kn3s50Zz8HKZEM-z_ZUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <323738C1-E662-4DEE-9315-F117D8192D9B.ref@gte.net>
	<323738C1-E662-4DEE-9315-F117D8192D9B@gte.net>
	<162ba7f1-85c8-08e0-cab3-abb1908b0f55@gmail.com>
	<CANVONAKW8P+uztbQjxUYWjnFjmwnT0Kn3s50Zz8HKZEM-z_ZUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11065011-3701-6202-d654-98ee418e19ab@gmail.com>

If my memory is still working [chancy at best], "Madman Muntz" pioneered 
the 21 MHz TV IF.? Ranks right in there with the FCC's decision to 86 
Channel 1, move the hams from 5 and 2 1/2 meters to 6 and 2 meters and 
locate TV Ch 2 at 5 meters, putting the 2nd harmonic of 10 [and the 4th 
harmonic of 20] in the middle of it. Having Ch 2 right next to 6m didn't 
help that band much either.

You're fortunate the neighbor gave up

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County


Rick Tavan wrote on 10/21/2021 4:29 PM:
> OK, gotta tell my favorite TVI tale: When I was a kid, my dad got a 
> TVI complaint from our next door neighbor in Maryland:
>
> K3QDC: Are you sure it's me?
> Neighbor: Yes, you said <X> and...
> K3QDC: Yes, that was me!
> Neighbor: ... and then he said <Y>.
> K3QDC: Oh, I see. Ma'am, the fellow who said that is in Texas. Your TV 
> appears to be an excellent shortwave receiver.
>
> This was on 15M AM and the TV in question had a 21 Mc. I.F., 
> ubiquitous in those days. The neighbor gave up.
>
> /Rick N6XI
> Formerly K3QDD
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 6:54 PM Fred <k6dgwnv at gmail.com 
> <mailto:k6dgwnv at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Circa 1958:? Neighbor and TV Repairman came to my parent's door ...
>     "Your son's ham radio is interfering with my TV.? Dad: "Our son
>     has been
>     away at college for 2 years and his radio equipment is packed up
>     in the
>     closet."? Long pause ... then TV guy, "Well his wire antenna is
>     still up
>     there and it's between my customer and Mt. Wilson, and it's
>     sucking all
>     the signal out of the air."? Dad: "I'll ask him to take it down next
>     time he comes home."? That didn't happen 'til maybe another year,
>     I had
>     a full time job at the local TV station at college and didn't get
>     home
>     very often.? I did finally take it down, neighbor's TV still
>     didn't work
>     well, and he still blamed me.
>     -- 
>     73,
>
>     Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>     Sparks NV DM09dn
>     Washoe County
>
>     Kris Mraz wrote on 10/20/2021 6:23 PM:
>     > When I put my tower up 25 yrs ago my next door neighbor
>     complained of interference. I went over to his house to watch for
>     TVI while a ham friend was at my house keying the transmitter.
>     Suddenly a window started vibrating causing a buzzing sound. He
>     said ?See, SEE!?. Just then his wife calls out from another room
>     ?Honey, it?s just the dryer?.
>     >
>     > Never had another complaint after that. ?
>     >
>     > Kris N5KM
>
>
>
>     -- 
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-- 
73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

From tom at w7sua.org  Thu Oct 21 20:30:29 2021
From: tom at w7sua.org (Tom Azlin W7SUA)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 17:30:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <25313475-527A-426F-B95E-291981021BFB@elecraft.com>
References: <1634783559.5127997.1634754113889.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1634783559.5127997.1634754113889@mail.yahoo.com>
	<0808EB34-608C-4728-8E97-1624261F005A@gmail.com>
	<688687140.2666457.1634754922951@mail.yahoo.com>
	<015001d7c5f0$402ccde0$c08669a0$@optilink.us>
	<25313475-527A-426F-B95E-291981021BFB@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <83bbe197-c4e6-e768-2efe-2fcad3b345d1@w7sua.org>

In my case my DX-20 had not yet been on the air when the neighbor across 
the street complained about me wiping out his stereo system just after 
my Dad helped me put up a 40m vertical up on the roof.  After the 
neighbor found out I did not even have my transmitter he stopped 
complaining. Word got out ( my Dad?) and no one in the neighborhood ever 
complained again.

73, Tom W7SUA ( former WN7SUA)



On 10/20/2021 1:29 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> When I fired up my first transmitter as a novice (a DX-20!), little did I know it was leaking into a break in the coax cable in the attic.
> 
> I found out two days later when a ham I'd never met copied my callsign off his TV. He looked me up in the callbook (I was a few blocks from his place), introduced himself, and helped me find and repair the cable. I ended up with a clean signal and a great Elmer.
> 
> But this is not the good ol' days, apparently.
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR

From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Thu Oct 21 20:45:43 2021
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 19:45:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <11065011-3701-6202-d654-98ee418e19ab@gmail.com>
References: <323738C1-E662-4DEE-9315-F117D8192D9B.ref@gte.net>	<323738C1-E662-4DEE-9315-F117D8192D9B@gte.net>	<162ba7f1-85c8-08e0-cab3-abb1908b0f55@gmail.com>	<CANVONAKW8P+uztbQjxUYWjnFjmwnT0Kn3s50Zz8HKZEM-z_ZUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<11065011-3701-6202-d654-98ee418e19ab@gmail.com>
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About the time I was first licensed, in August of 1969, a neighbor had purchased an electronic organ for his wife.

Shortly after I got on the air with my brand new Galaxy GT-550 (550 watt sweep tube finals), he called one evening to tell me I was "coming through his wife's organ."

Imagine my dismay ...

73
Lyn, W0LEN


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 6:57 PM
To: Rick Tavan
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

If my memory is still working [chancy at best], "Madman Muntz" pioneered 
the 21 MHz TV IF.  Ranks right in there with the FCC's decision to 86 
Channel 1, move the hams from 5 and 2 1/2 meters to 6 and 2 meters and 
locate TV Ch 2 at 5 meters, putting the 2nd harmonic of 10 [and the 4th 
harmonic of 20] in the middle of it. Having Ch 2 right next to 6m didn't 
help that band much either.

You're fortunate the neighbor gave up

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County


Rick Tavan wrote on 10/21/2021 4:29 PM:
> OK, gotta tell my favorite TVI tale: When I was a kid, my dad got a 
> TVI complaint from our next door neighbor in Maryland:
>
> K3QDC: Are you sure it's me?
> Neighbor: Yes, you said <X> and...
> K3QDC: Yes, that was me!
> Neighbor: ... and then he said <Y>.
> K3QDC: Oh, I see. Ma'am, the fellow who said that is in Texas. Your TV 
> appears to be an excellent shortwave receiver.
>
> This was on 15M AM and the TV in question had a 21 Mc. I.F., 
> ubiquitous in those days. The neighbor gave up.
>
> /Rick N6XI
> Formerly K3QDD
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 6:54 PM Fred <k6dgwnv at gmail.com 
> <mailto:k6dgwnv at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Circa 1958:  Neighbor and TV Repairman came to my parent's door ...
>     "Your son's ham radio is interfering with my TV.  Dad: "Our son
>     has been
>     away at college for 2 years and his radio equipment is packed up
>     in the
>     closet."  Long pause ... then TV guy, "Well his wire antenna is
>     still up
>     there and it's between my customer and Mt. Wilson, and it's
>     sucking all
>     the signal out of the air."  Dad: "I'll ask him to take it down next
>     time he comes home."  That didn't happen 'til maybe another year,
>     I had
>     a full time job at the local TV station at college and didn't get
>     home
>     very often.  I did finally take it down, neighbor's TV still
>     didn't work
>     well, and he still blamed me.
>     -- 
>     73,
>
>     Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>     Sparks NV DM09dn
>     Washoe County
>
>     Kris Mraz wrote on 10/20/2021 6:23 PM:
>     > When I put my tower up 25 yrs ago my next door neighbor
>     complained of interference. I went over to his house to watch for
>     TVI while a ham friend was at my house keying the transmitter.
>     Suddenly a window started vibrating causing a buzzing sound. He
>     said ?See, SEE!?. Just then his wife calls out from another room
>     ?Honey, it?s just the dryer?.
>     >
>     > Never had another complaint after that. ?
>     >
>     > Kris N5KM
>
>
>
>     -- 
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-- 
73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County
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From k2asp at kanafi.org  Thu Oct 21 21:25:11 2021
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 18:25:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <01ae01d7c6b7$a435c0e0$eca142a0$@googlemail.com>
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On 10/21/2021 1:10 PM, Ron Bell via Elecraft wrote:

> Unless you have no alternatives, find another ISP.  Comcast is not a great
> or consumer focused company.  If you have a lot of time and energy, you can
> fight this and may win.  If you dont have Verizon or an alternative wireline
> company in your area, look into Starlink, still in Beta but I am hearing
> great reviews from those who have it.

All well and good in an ideal situation, but knowing the area that Eric 
lives in (Silicon Valley) there are all sorts of "alternatives" that may 
be  available but in reality are vendors based on getting service (as it 
is popularly called "bandwidth") from Comcast and/or Verizon "behind the 
curtain".

Up here (suburban Portland) I did lots of research on features, service 
and reliability before settling on the Comcast bundle of internet, voice 
phone, and Xfinity cable.  Living in an already-wired apartment I didn't 
have much of a choice.  I was fortunate enough to talk the management 
into letting me put up my VHF/UHF j-poles - I didn't want to press my 
luck by having more wire/cable run in.

  I had (where did I put it?) the direct phone number of the regional 
service manager but fortunately never had to use it.  My one and only 
problem was resolved locally to my satisfaction the first time without 
"sturm und drang".

In sum - you get what you pay for.


73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon


From jerry at tr2.com  Thu Oct 21 21:49:07 2021
From: jerry at tr2.com (jerry)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 18:49:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <051901d7c6de$258743a0$7095cae0$@LNAINC.com>
References: <323738C1-E662-4DEE-9315-F117D8192D9B.ref@gte.net>
	<323738C1-E662-4DEE-9315-F117D8192D9B@gte.net>
	<162ba7f1-85c8-08e0-cab3-abb1908b0f55@gmail.com>
	<CANVONAKW8P+uztbQjxUYWjnFjmwnT0Kn3s50Zz8HKZEM-z_ZUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<11065011-3701-6202-d654-98ee418e19ab@gmail.com>
	<051901d7c6de$258743a0$7095cae0$@LNAINC.com>
Message-ID: <ed332f49cfe420bd38a1f4630ea66a0e@tr2.com>

> Shortly after I got on the air with my brand new Galaxy GT-550 (550
> watt sweep tube finals), he called one evening to tell me I was
> "coming through his wife's organ."
> 
> Imagine my dismay ...

I seem to remember that the GT-550 was plagued by spurious...  Don't 
remember if it
was harmonics or parasitics or mixing products.

                   - Jerry KF6VB

On 2021-10-21 17:45, Lyn Norstad wrote:
> About the time I was first licensed, in August of 1969, a neighbor had
> purchased an electronic organ for his wife.
> 

> 
> 73
> Lyn, W0LEN
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 6:57 PM
> To: Rick Tavan
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM 
> ANTENNAS
> 
> If my memory is still working [chancy at best], "Madman Muntz" 
> pioneered
> the 21 MHz TV IF.  Ranks right in there with the FCC's decision to 86
> Channel 1, move the hams from 5 and 2 1/2 meters to 6 and 2 meters and
> locate TV Ch 2 at 5 meters, putting the 2nd harmonic of 10 [and the 4th
> harmonic of 20] in the middle of it. Having Ch 2 right next to 6m 
> didn't
> help that band much either.
> 
> You're fortunate the neighbor gave up
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
> 
> Rick Tavan wrote on 10/21/2021 4:29 PM:
>> OK, gotta tell my favorite TVI tale: When I was a kid, my dad got a
>> TVI complaint from our next door neighbor in Maryland:
>> 
>> K3QDC: Are you sure it's me?
>> Neighbor: Yes, you said <X> and...
>> K3QDC: Yes, that was me!
>> Neighbor: ... and then he said <Y>.
>> K3QDC: Oh, I see. Ma'am, the fellow who said that is in Texas. Your TV
>> appears to be an excellent shortwave receiver.
>> 
>> This was on 15M AM and the TV in question had a 21 Mc. I.F.,
>> ubiquitous in those days. The neighbor gave up.
>> 
>> /Rick N6XI
>> Formerly K3QDD
>> 
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 6:54 PM Fred <k6dgwnv at gmail.com
>> <mailto:k6dgwnv at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>     Circa 1958:  Neighbor and TV Repairman came to my parent's door 
>> ...
>>     "Your son's ham radio is interfering with my TV.  Dad: "Our son
>>     has been
>>     away at college for 2 years and his radio equipment is packed up
>>     in the
>>     closet."  Long pause ... then TV guy, "Well his wire antenna is
>>     still up
>>     there and it's between my customer and Mt. Wilson, and it's
>>     sucking all
>>     the signal out of the air."  Dad: "I'll ask him to take it down 
>> next
>>     time he comes home."  That didn't happen 'til maybe another year,
>>     I had
>>     a full time job at the local TV station at college and didn't get
>>     home
>>     very often.  I did finally take it down, neighbor's TV still
>>     didn't work
>>     well, and he still blamed me.
>>     --
>>     73,
>> 
>>     Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>>     Sparks NV DM09dn
>>     Washoe County
>> 
>>     Kris Mraz wrote on 10/20/2021 6:23 PM:
>>     > When I put my tower up 25 yrs ago my next door neighbor
>>     complained of interference. I went over to his house to watch for
>>     TVI while a ham friend was at my house keying the transmitter.
>>     Suddenly a window started vibrating causing a buzzing sound. He
>>     said ?See, SEE!?. Just then his wife calls out from another room
>>     ?Honey, it?s just the dryer?.
>>     >
>>     > Never had another complaint after that. ?
>>     >
>>     > Kris N5KM
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>     --
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> 
> --
> 73,
> 
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
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From k6dgwnv at gmail.com  Thu Oct 21 21:51:09 2021
From: k6dgwnv at gmail.com (Fred)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 18:51:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT; large ferrite toroid core?
In-Reply-To: <43173652.2890532.1634840676869@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <43173652.2890532.1634840676869.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<43173652.2890532.1634840676869@mail.yahoo.com>
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Jim, K9YC, has done a ton of research on ferrites for baluns and 
chokes.? I think jim at k9yc.com will get you to his published results.? If 
6.6 uh/4 turns is correct, you might be able to figures out the ferrite 
mix from his data.
-- 
73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

Mike Maloney wrote on 10/21/2021 11:24 AM:
> We were gifted a somewhat large (6"OD, 2.6" ID, 9/16" thick) ferrite core of unknown mix and original use.? ?On face was marked 6.6uH w/4turns.? ?My thinking it might make a good common mode RF choke on the output of an inverter generator or on coax feedline.? ? Not familiar with properties of toroid cores of this size.? ?Any ideas?
> 73, Mike AC5P
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Oct 21 22:29:23 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 19:29:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT; large ferrite toroid core?
In-Reply-To: <d18adfab-e34e-d657-cb2e-337b73f8f851@gmail.com>
References: <43173652.2890532.1634840676869.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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On 10/21/2021 6:51 PM, Fred wrote:
> Jim, K9YC, has done a ton of research on ferrites for baluns and 
> chokes.? I think jim at k9yc.com will get you to his published results.? If 
> 6.6 uh/4 turns is correct, you might be able to figures out the ferrite 
> mix from his data.

Unfortunately, 99.9% of stuff like this that falls in our lap are little 
of any value for RFI suppression. This looks like a component intended 
for use as an inductor in power circuits; without winding experimental 
chokes and carefully measuring them with a VERY well calibrated test 
instrument and specially designed test jig, we have no way of knowing 
anything about the part. I measured nearly 1,000 chokes wound on a 
material that I'd already determined was the best choice for use at HF.

Bottom line -- if you need to kill RFI, study the app notes on my 
website, buy the specific parts I recommend, and apply them as 
recommended to wiring on noise sources, or wiring on victim equipment.

73, Jim K9YC

From pe1hzg at xs4all.nl  Fri Oct 22 04:27:38 2021
From: pe1hzg at xs4all.nl (Geert Jan de Groot)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 10:27:38 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2238.1634859009.9846.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.2238.1634859009.9846.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <997931c1-164f-2e71-e6c4-02212b7ec64e@xs4all.nl>

I do apologize for contributing to this off-topic thread...

A technical issue for cable modems is the uplink.
For downlink, the cable modem system uses one or more "TV channels to 
sends its data on. There is encoding and all that but the signal isn't 
un-like a TV channel.

The uplink is where the problem lies.

Cable modems typically use low frequencies (up to 50 MHz or so) to 
transmit their packets from the enduser modem to the headend. You'd need 
a channel bandwith of 8 MHz or so. Where does a cable operator find a 
clean 8MHz channel under 50 MHz?

Keep in mind that the ingress signal (from the enduser to the headend) 
collects all the RF leakages from the environment. All poor cabling 
together creates a massive reception antenna. And a single strong 
carrier in the channel may block it.
I had a chance to see the upstream spectrum ("ingress signals") and it 
was not a pretty sight.
I know that one local cable operator had to change channels because in 
the evening, strong shortwave broadcast signals leaking in were blocking 
the ingress channel of the cable-TV modems.

For this reason, the ingress system, in the DOCSYS system I looked at, 
was using direct-sequence spread spectrum (DSSS) to "smear" these 
carriers over the spectrum and reduce their impact.

Now, consider very strong carriers on the ingress. Carriers so strong 
that the conversion gain of the DSSS system doesn't help enough. In that 
case, the ingress channel is still fully blocked despite the DSSS measures.

What impact things a lot, of course, is leakly cabling. And from what I 
hear, American cable-TV systems have lots of leakage issues (here in 
PA0, cable systems are underground and are shielded very, very well; any 
leakage here is typically poor enduser cabling).

While the response of the tech is very wrong, perhaps the above explains 
a bit what is happening and the reason for his reaction. If it were me, 
I would see if things can be solved along these lines, considering that 
from what I read in QST, many USA cable-TV systems have a massive, 
massive leaking problem.

In the Netherlands, more and more spectrum is being moved from 
"broadcast TV" / cable-TV to mobile services. Cable-TV signals are now 
on frequencies that are also used by mobile phone users, with 
transmitters (handies) on short distance and hence strong signals.
Suddenly the jammers are not us pesky hamradio guys, but every person 
carrying a mobile phone. And the community now understands that the 
proper fix for this is not banishing the mobiles, but better cabling.
For cable-TV, there are now "kabelkeur" (www.kabelkeur.nl) qualified 
cables that have double shielding, and, more important, good connectors, 
connectors that frankly put the typical hamradio RF connector to shame.

And I wonder how this compares to the situation of the topic starter.
With emotions running high we won't get anywhere, but I hope the local 
ARRL community can step in, find out if my hypothesis is the root issue 
and work from there, considering that proper shielding is a CATV 
operator issue and no-one else's.

73,

Geert Jan PE1HZG

From john at kn5l.net  Fri Oct 22 07:51:25 2021
From: john at kn5l.net (John Oppenheimer)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 06:51:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT; large ferrite toroid core?
In-Reply-To: <43173652.2890532.1634840676869@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <43173652.2890532.1634840676869.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<43173652.2890532.1634840676869@mail.yahoo.com>
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Hi Mike,

Initial permeability can be computed from your values:

Compute 4T permeability=1 (Lo) using core dimensions:
Lo = 0.0004606 * Log10(OD / ID) * Ht * Turns^2 (Ht in mm)
Lo = 0.0004606 * Log10(6 / 2.6) * 14.3 * 16 = 0.0383uH (Ht in mm)
Initial Permeability ui = 6.6 / 0.0383 = 172

Fair-Rite 61 material ui = 125, 52 material ui = 250. If characteristics
are close to 61 or 52 material, then could use it for an HF Choke Balun.

Complex permeability can be plotted out to 20 to 30 MHz range using a
single port VNA. Do you have a VNA? I can walk your through the process
if wanted.

John KN5L


On 10/21/21 1:24 PM, Mike Maloney wrote:
> We were gifted a somewhat large (6"OD, 2.6" ID, 9/16" thick) ferrite core of unknown mix and original use.? ?On face was marked 6.6uH w/4turns.? ?My thinking it might make a good common mode RF choke on the output of an inverter generator or on coax feedline.? ? Not familiar with properties of toroid cores of this size.? ?Any ideas?
> 73, Mike AC5P

From louandzip at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 22 08:54:38 2021
From: louandzip at yahoo.com (Louandzip)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 12:54:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT; large ferrite toroid core?
In-Reply-To: <e5310dac-f37a-b000-ae94-40e5e436746b@kn5l.net>
References: <43173652.2890532.1634840676869.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<43173652.2890532.1634840676869@mail.yahoo.com>
	<e5310dac-f37a-b000-ae94-40e5e436746b@kn5l.net>
Message-ID: <1574566805.96911.1634907278064@mail.yahoo.com>

 A nanoVNA is an incredibly capable, versatile, and inexpensive instrument (<$100) that can make these measurements when using proper technique and analysis.? They also work great as graphical antenna analyzers. 

Lou W7HV

    On Friday, October 22, 2021, 05:52:20 AM MDT, John Oppenheimer <john at kn5l.net> wrote:  
 
 Hi Mike,

Initial permeability can be computed from your values:

Compute 4T permeability=1 (Lo) using core dimensions:
Lo = 0.0004606 * Log10(OD / ID) * Ht * Turns^2 (Ht in mm)
Lo = 0.0004606 * Log10(6 / 2.6) * 14.3 * 16 = 0.0383uH (Ht in mm)
Initial Permeability ui = 6.6 / 0.0383 = 172

Fair-Rite 61 material ui = 125, 52 material ui = 250. If characteristics
are close to 61 or 52 material, then could use it for an HF Choke Balun.

Complex permeability can be plotted out to 20 to 30 MHz range using a
single port VNA. Do you have a VNA? I can walk your through the process
if wanted.

John KN5L


On 10/21/21 1:24 PM, Mike Maloney wrote:
> We were gifted a somewhat large (6"OD, 2.6" ID, 9/16" thick) ferrite core of unknown mix and original use.? ?On face was marked 6.6uH w/4turns.? ?My thinking it might make a good common mode RF choke on the output of an inverter generator or on coax feedline.? ? Not familiar with properties of toroid cores of this size.? ?Any ideas?
> 73, Mike AC5P
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From erusst at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 22 09:48:38 2021
From: erusst at yahoo.com (Russ Tobolic)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 13:48:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Through-hole Replacement for K3 Q5 (2N7002)
In-Reply-To: <bba6751a-d187-9469-3e75-d03f9fa28e68@gmail.com>
References: <bba6751a-d187-9469-3e75-d03f9fa28e68@gmail.com>
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 Hello Pete:
I have some thru-hole 2N7000 in my junk box.? I can mail a couple to you if you want.
Russ, N3CO
    On Thursday, October 21, 2021, 09:57:50 AM EDT, Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 The original surface-mount part seems to be back in stock in the US, but 
I'm afraid that what I need is a through-hole equivalent, because the PC 
board where the old one was mounted is a wreck (damage from part 
failure, plus my ham-handed efforts to replace it). Google thinks a 
2N7000 will do, but I'd sure like to get an expert opinion.

-- 
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From eric at elecraft.com  Fri Oct 22 11:45:42 2021
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 08:45:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
In-Reply-To: <997931c1-164f-2e71-e6c4-02212b7ec64e@xs4all.nl>
References: <mailman.2238.1634859009.9846.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
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Folks, we are exceeding the OT limit for list postings on this topic.
[THREAD CLOSED]

Please take the discussion off list in the interest of relieving email
overload for others.

73,
Eric  WA6HHQ
List moderator, among other things..
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>
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From mgcizek at gmail.com  Fri Oct 22 18:11:23 2021
From: mgcizek at gmail.com (Mike Cizek W0VTT)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 17:11:23 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Two XV222 Transverters for Sale
Message-ID: <00d101d7c791$c15816c0$44084440$@gmail.com>

Greetings,

 

I have two Elecraft XV222 transverters for sale.  Both have original manuals
and have the crystal oven installed.  Both are set up to work with 1mW drive
from a K3, and both meet factory specs, according to my older but still
pretty good test gear.  Prices include shipping in the USA.   Pictures
available on request.

 

XV222 #1 - very well built, works properly, includes the bypass capacitor
change (Builder's alert 30 APR 2009)  $350

 

VW222 #2 - works OK most of the time, but looks just awful inside.  Whoever
built this one had no business ever picking up a soldering iron.  It's fine
for casual SSB and CW operating, but not stable enough for digi modes.  $225

 

Also - M Squared 222-5WL Yagi.  15 elements on a 24' boom.  In good shape
with all new fasteners.  $150 picked up in southeastern MN, or we can talk
about shipping.

 

Thank you.

 

----

73,

Mike Cizek W0VTT

 


From ekacura at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 22 22:25:41 2021
From: ekacura at yahoo.com (edward kacura)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 02:25:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K6XX SMD Visible LED CW Tuning Indicator
References: <624082117.828010.1634955941973.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <624082117.828010.1634955941973@mail.yahoo.com>


Does anyone have one of these they?d like to part with, either built or still in kit form for the KX1 ?You can?t get this anymore, the two gentleman, Tom, N0SS and Ron, WB3AAL who sold the kits are SK.Contact me off line?at ekacura at yahoo.com.
Thanks and 72/73Ed KacuraN7EDK?

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From donw4cbs at gmail.com  Sat Oct 23 00:24:38 2021
From: donw4cbs at gmail.com (donw4cbs)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 00:24:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Xfinity interference
Message-ID: <61738e87.1c69fb81.fac9a.0eea@mx.google.com>

Eric,? just went through the same thing here in Florida with Xfinity. They showed up claiming I was taking out a large area (10 block square) on their spectrum analyzer. Mine showed up on 16 Mhz up when I operated any band on any of 4 antennas. I was using my K3 KPA 500 combo.?I worked with them over 3 months giving them ideas and suggestions but I was adamant it was there problem not mine. By the way I wasn't getting into my TV or internet nor any of my neighbors. They checked their lines for leakage, and even ran new burried cable to me but it still didn't fix it. I suggested they check their ground wire going up their pole in an easement behind my house. Bingo!!!? They had a ground rod at the foot of the pole and a 30 foot wire running up the pole but they never had connected it.?I have since learned from a local ham friend who was an inspector involved in several court cases with Xfinity over on our east coast here in Florida, that this is common procedure for them. We are in the lightning capital of North America and they, according to him, were trying to avoid lightning strikes to their equipment. Lightning was hitting the power company equipment instead.If you would like to contact the man who won in court in these cases contact me at my call at arrl.net and I will give you his contact info.Don, W4CBS?Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S20+ 5G.

From dave at nk7z.net  Sat Oct 23 11:53:17 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 08:53:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft W2: Calibration question
Message-ID: <77c0b608-6d46-8321-37a5-69429a9ea96c@nk7z.net>

Hello,
Looking over the manual for the W2 I see no way to calibrate it.  Did I 
miss something, or is there a way to perform a calibration on the wattmeter?
-- 
73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

From k6ll.dave at gmail.com  Sat Oct 23 12:36:57 2021
From: k6ll.dave at gmail.com (David Hachadorian)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 09:36:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft W2: Calibration question
In-Reply-To: <77c0b608-6d46-8321-37a5-69429a9ea96c@nk7z.net>
References: <77c0b608-6d46-8321-37a5-69429a9ea96c@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <8ba3795e-470b-56e5-0b9c-d0ddc1a106f0@gmail.com>

I don't own one of these, but I think calibration is done with the W2 
Utility, using the special USB cable that comes with the W2.

Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ

On 10/23/2021 8:53 AM, Dave wrote:
> Hello,
> Looking over the manual for the W2 I see no way to calibrate it. Did I 
> miss something, or is there a way to perform a calibration on the 
> wattmeter?

From w5sv.dave at gmail.com  Sat Oct 23 14:41:52 2021
From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 18:41:52 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] loop antenna question
Message-ID: <b32122c7-be43-e1bf-7e43-7ca1da47e05d@gmail.com>

My new home QTH is an a neighborhood where I am affected by the 
covenants and restrictions to no outside antennas.

Not to be defeated, I am planning some attic antennas...

Towards that end, has anyone any experience with the Ciro Mazzoni Loop Baby?

If so, how have you interfaced it to communicate with your (K3/K3S/K4)?

Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV


From dave at nk7z.net  Sat Oct 23 15:37:14 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 12:37:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft W2: Calibration question
In-Reply-To: <8ba3795e-470b-56e5-0b9c-d0ddc1a106f0@gmail.com>
References: <77c0b608-6d46-8321-37a5-69429a9ea96c@nk7z.net>
	<8ba3795e-470b-56e5-0b9c-d0ddc1a106f0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e416c465-98f0-5c61-68cb-28768731528e@nk7z.net>

Thank you for your suggestion!!  I must be looking at the wrong 
software, I have the W2 utility, and it has nothing like that in it.  In 
fact it looks like all it does is update firmware, and test macros...  I 
see no settings of any kind for the W2...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 10/23/21 9:36 AM, David Hachadorian wrote:
> I don't own one of these, but I think calibration is done with the W2 
> Utility, using the special USB cable that comes with the W2.
> 
> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
> Yuma, AZ
> 
> On 10/23/2021 8:53 AM, Dave wrote:
>> Hello,
>> Looking over the manual for the W2 I see no way to calibrate it. Did I 
>> miss something, or is there a way to perform a calibration on the 
>> wattmeter?
> 

From daniel.h.brown at gmail.com  Sat Oct 23 15:56:54 2021
From: daniel.h.brown at gmail.com (Dan Brown)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 15:56:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft W2: Calibration question
In-Reply-To: <77c0b608-6d46-8321-37a5-69429a9ea96c@nk7z.net>
References: <77c0b608-6d46-8321-37a5-69429a9ea96c@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <A1DE1B0F-73DF-4CE4-B385-36E66C817B82@gmail.com>



There?s an adjustment that can be done in the W2 software, not the utility, but it just fine tunes what?s displayed by the computer, not the unit itself. 

The software, IMO, could use a bit of modernization. Really wish it could be open-sourced. 


--
Daniel.H.Brown at gmail.com

> On Oct 23, 2021, at 11:54 AM, Dave <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hello,
> Looking over the manual for the W2 I see no way to calibrate it.  Did I miss something, or is there a way to perform a calibration on the wattmeter?
> -- 
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
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> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
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From paul.gacek at me.com  Sat Oct 23 16:15:07 2021
From: paul.gacek at me.com (PAUL GACEK)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 21:15:07 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] loop antenna question
In-Reply-To: <b32122c7-be43-e1bf-7e43-7ca1da47e05d@gmail.com>
References: <b32122c7-be43-e1bf-7e43-7ca1da47e05d@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <84870484-96D6-44CD-9F91-35AF13D5E4C7@me.com>

David

I have a Baby Loop here in England when I am M0SNA.

I?m happy with it but not sure I would buy that style again.

Pros
Amazingly well built
Worked first time yesterday after 20 months of non use (you know, that COVID thing?.)
Quiet
Marginally directional
Great for FT8 or ragchewing
Handles 400w at 40m and close to 1000w at 10m
Works fine with KX3 and a 1000w JUMA amp. Tracks frequency etc but I had to fiddle around with cables and s/w to get this to work.

Cons
Pain in the proverbial to ?retune? when you move 1-2 KHz off frequency ? 1-3 seconds retune period
Given above not appropriate for contesting
Steep angle of radiation limiting DX
Requires a rotator
Mounts 7 ft off of ground?.not stealthy (my neighbors and wife think its uglier than sin, however I quite like its look)
Pricey

Somewhere in my blog is post of the Baby Loop?.nothing really than the above www.nomadic.blog

While I have no first hand experience, I think the same company makes a ?loop? that looks like a car jack and is truly stealthy.

Hope this helps.

Paul Gacek
W6PNG/M0SNA

> On Oct 23, 2021, at 7:43 PM, David F. Reed <w5sv.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?My new home QTH is an a neighborhood where I am affected by the covenants and restrictions to no outside antennas.
> 
> Not to be defeated, I am planning some attic antennas...
> 
> Towards that end, has anyone any experience with the Ciro Mazzoni Loop Baby?
> 
> If so, how have you interfaced it to communicate with your (K3/K3S/K4)?
> 
> Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV
> 
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From dougzzz at gmail.com  Sat Oct 23 17:00:09 2021
From: dougzzz at gmail.com (Douglas Zwiebel)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 17:00:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K4] loop antenna question
In-Reply-To: <b32122c7-be43-e1bf-7e43-7ca1da47e05d@gmail.com>
References: <b32122c7-be43-e1bf-7e43-7ca1da47e05d@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+u=Ds1wb1Njyj-zZwAfKmLuWAjcsm304vFPQ-mzdK0+7PXetw@mail.gmail.com>

Just checked out your QTH.  You have LOTS of room for more efficient
antennas than that baby loop...for way less $$$$ too.

Hey...you could even put a vertical on your truck and use that (nice
truck!).  They can't get you for an antenna on your vehicle.

You have trees, you have gutters, you have brick wall!  Many options.

GL!

de Doug KR2Q

On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 4:16 PM David Reed <w5sv.dave at gmail.com> wrote:

> My new home QTH is an a neighborhood where I am affected by the
> covenants and restrictions to no outside antennas.
>
> Not to be defeated, I am planning some attic antennas...
>
> Towards that end, has anyone any experience with the Ciro Mazzoni Loop
> Baby?
>
> If so, how have you interfaced it to communicate with your (K3/K3S/K4)?
>
> Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV
>
>
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From k6ll.dave at gmail.com  Sat Oct 23 17:02:55 2021
From: k6ll.dave at gmail.com (David Hachadorian)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 14:02:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft W2: Calibration question
In-Reply-To: <e416c465-98f0-5c61-68cb-28768731528e@nk7z.net>
References: <77c0b608-6d46-8321-37a5-69429a9ea96c@nk7z.net>
	<8ba3795e-470b-56e5-0b9c-d0ddc1a106f0@gmail.com>
	<e416c465-98f0-5c61-68cb-28768731528e@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <5e620290-ab64-935a-9cad-dc4de62c8422@gmail.com>

Actually, it's not the W2 Utility.? It's the Elecraft W2 Interface 
Program. http://w4smt.com/sight.net/W2/W2_WIN.zip

Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ

On 10/23/2021 12:37 PM, Dave wrote:
> Thank you for your suggestion!!? I must be looking at the wrong 
> software, I have the W2 utility, and it has nothing like that in it.? 
> In fact it looks like all it does is update firmware, and test 
> macros... I see no settings of any kind for the W2...
>
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>
> On 10/23/21 9:36 AM, David Hachadorian wrote:
>> I don't own one of these, but I think calibration is done with the W2 
>> Utility, using the special USB cable that comes with the W2.
>>
>> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
>> Yuma, AZ
>>
>> On 10/23/2021 8:53 AM, Dave wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> Looking over the manual for the W2 I see no way to calibrate it. Did 
>>> I miss something, or is there a way to perform a calibration on the 
>>> wattmeter?
>>
> .

From pubx1 at af2z.net  Sat Oct 23 17:49:27 2021
From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 17:49:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] loop antenna question
In-Reply-To: <b32122c7-be43-e1bf-7e43-7ca1da47e05d@gmail.com>
References: <b32122c7-be43-e1bf-7e43-7ca1da47e05d@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86f04ddc-63e4-7dc4-309b-5a4d0b3cf9cf@af2z.net>

No experience with that antenna. However, among your other indoor 
antennas you might want to try a 'cobweb'. I have one in the attic. It's 
fairly compact; covers five bands 10-20. A while back it worked VP6D on 
all five bands; 100 watts CW. I built the G3TXQ version. MFJ also has a 
model for sale.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 10/23/21 13:41, David F. Reed wrote:
> My new home QTH is an a neighborhood where I am affected by the 
> covenants and restrictions to no outside antennas.
> 
> Not to be defeated, I am planning some attic antennas...
> 
> Towards that end, has anyone any experience with the Ciro Mazzoni Loop 
> Baby?
> 
> If so, how have you interfaced it to communicate with your (K3/K3S/K4)?
> 
> Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV
> 
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From koskojw at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 23 18:06:19 2021
From: koskojw at hotmail.com (John Kosko)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 22:06:19 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Xfinity interference
In-Reply-To: <61738e87.1c69fb81.fac9a.0eea@mx.google.com>
References: <61738e87.1c69fb81.fac9a.0eea@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CH2PR04MB7093C0C6C72EFE6DA49E3600A1819@CH2PR04MB7093.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Guys,
I had a similar situation at my QTH in SE Lower Michigan with Spectrum.  Their tech came inside to install a new telephone modem and found high SWR on their line to/from/within my house.  The tech replaced all the crimp-on coax connectors and the problem cleared up.  He told me the shield connection of the connector was the problem and he just replaced them all rather than take the time to find the bad one(s).  He didn?t replace any of the coax, only the connectors.  Michigan is the second worst lightning capitol of North America due to the high copper content in the ground/earth.  73

Regards,
John W. Kosko  K8TCT  K3S 11718

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From: donw4cbs<mailto:donw4cbs at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2021 12:26 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Xfinity interference

Eric,  just went through the same thing here in Florida with Xfinity. They showed up claiming I was taking out a large area (10 block square) on their spectrum analyzer. Mine showed up on 16 Mhz up when I operated any band on any of 4 antennas. I was using my K3 KPA 500 combo. I worked with them over 3 months giving them ideas and suggestions but I was adamant it was there problem not mine. By the way I wasn't getting into my TV or internet nor any of my neighbors. They checked their lines for leakage, and even ran new burried cable to me but it still didn't fix it. I suggested they check their ground wire going up their pole in an easement behind my house. Bingo!!!  They had a ground rod at the foot of the pole and a 30 foot wire running up the pole but they never had connected it. I have since learned from a local ham friend who was an inspector involved in several court cases with Xfinity over on our east coast here in Florida, that this is common procedure for them. We are in the lightning capital of North America and they, according to him, were trying to avoid lightning strikes to their equipment. Lightning was hitting the power company equipment instead.If you would like to contact the man who won in court in these cases contact me at my call at arrl.net and I will give you his contact info.Don, W4CBS Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S20+ 5G.
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sat Oct 23 22:45:47 2021
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevin)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 19:45:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <fc11c4da-8a82-9ffa-4d69-89c6867f83ad@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? Another foggy, wet, chilly day.? Perfect to watch 'The Thin Man Goes 
Home'.? Somewhere around reel three the power glitched for about twenty 
seconds.? This takes down two switches, the router, the satellite 
connection, the servers, plus the computer in front of me.? Normally I 
reboot the main server and everything comes up just fine.? Not this 
time, still no internet.? I pulled power to both switches and the 
router, then started rebooting. When the offending switch got powered on 
a DNS collision occurred.? That explained the error I had two weeks 
ago.? Nothing like a power outage to debug the routing tables.

 ?? Our sun has become more active.? New groups are forming on the back 
side and crossing over to the front.? They look fairly active, with one 
tossing a CME away from us.? The flux reading was up to 87 last time I 
looked.? While the local rain storms won't cause much static at HF, the 
ionosphere may give us some noise. We shall see.? I have another Thin 
Man movie in the queue :)



Please join us on (or near):

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 ? 7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

 ?? 73,
 ????? Kevin. KD5ONS



-





I got no deeds to do, no promises to keep
I'm dappled and drowsy and ready to sleep
Let the morning time drop all its petals on me
Life, I love you, all is groovy




From dave at nk7z.net  Sun Oct 24 08:23:46 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 05:23:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft W2: Calibration question
In-Reply-To: <5e620290-ab64-935a-9cad-dc4de62c8422@gmail.com>
References: <77c0b608-6d46-8321-37a5-69429a9ea96c@nk7z.net>
	<8ba3795e-470b-56e5-0b9c-d0ddc1a106f0@gmail.com>
	<e416c465-98f0-5c61-68cb-28768731528e@nk7z.net>
	<5e620290-ab64-935a-9cad-dc4de62c8422@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a6dd7700-166c-4afc-851c-9f622c4fc18d@nk7z.net>

A quick on list thank you, as well as the off list thanks...  THANKS!! 
Works perfectly.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 10/23/21 2:02 PM, David Hachadorian wrote:
> Actually, it's not the W2 Utility.? It's the Elecraft W2 Interface 
> Program. http://w4smt.com/sight.net/W2/W2_WIN.zip
> 
> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
> Yuma, AZ
> 
> On 10/23/2021 12:37 PM, Dave wrote:
>> Thank you for your suggestion!!? I must be looking at the wrong 
>> software, I have the W2 utility, and it has nothing like that in it.  
>> In fact it looks like all it does is update firmware, and test 
>> macros... I see no settings of any kind for the W2...
>>
>> 73, and thanks,
>> Dave (NK7Z)
>> https://www.nk7z.net
>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>>
>> On 10/23/21 9:36 AM, David Hachadorian wrote:
>>> I don't own one of these, but I think calibration is done with the W2 
>>> Utility, using the special USB cable that comes with the W2.
>>>
>>> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
>>> Yuma, AZ
>>>
>>> On 10/23/2021 8:53 AM, Dave wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> Looking over the manual for the W2 I see no way to calibrate it. Did 
>>>> I miss something, or is there a way to perform a calibration on the 
>>>> wattmeter?
>>>
>> .
> 

From bucket at janeandjohn.org  Sun Oct 24 09:26:42 2021
From: bucket at janeandjohn.org (John Canfield)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 08:26:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Can we get back to Elecraft topics?
Message-ID: <2988f330-8286-7b74-f0cb-049e6c930fca@janeandjohn.org>

While I've found the RFI discussions very interesting it is adding a 
bunch of 'noise' to the mailing list, can we circle back <grin> to 
Elecraft focused topics?

John WB5THT
K3s, P3, SP3, KPA1500


From jerry at tr2.com  Sun Oct 24 15:52:41 2021
From: jerry at tr2.com (jerry)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 12:52:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 K2 QSK?
In-Reply-To: <2988f330-8286-7b74-f0cb-049e6c930fca@janeandjohn.org>
References: <2988f330-8286-7b74-f0cb-049e6c930fca@janeandjohn.org>
Message-ID: <8cfa97576759201687530149ce8fbb58@tr2.com>

So:   Somehow I wound up with two K2s.  I bought the first one because 
it was small - multiband - and QSK.  I have
become enamored of transparent, conversational QSK - the kind where your 
transmitted signal just sounds like all the other signals.  The K2 alas 
is not that, although it is PIN diode switched.  I don't think any 
commercial transceiver is.

   Got K2 #2 to get the KPA100.  Moved the KPA100 to #1, because #1 has 
all the good mods - the PLL mod, the volume control mod, the upgraded 
crystals, etc.

  The closest I have been to really good QSK is a QRP-labs QCX+ kit.  But 
it's only one band, and the receiver is probably not as good as a K2 
with a crystal filter - and K2 #1 even has the DSP audio filter.  AND it 
lacks AGC.  I was operating field day, a local came on and nearly blew 
me out of my chair :).

   So here's my idea for perfect QSK:  I use the two K2's as a 
transmitter receiver pair.  One on transmit, the other on receive.  
Connect them to the antenna with a custom PIN diode switch.  W6JL has a 
lot of info on that in his QRZ page.
Arrange something like 130dB attenuation.... or whatever 100W ( or 500w 
if I use a linear ) down to a microvolt or two.

  HOWEVER... I really don't want to be synchronizing VFOs all the time.  
So I find some sort of open source transceiver
control program.  And modify it so it tunes TWO radios at the same time.

   How good is QSK on the K4?  Smooth/transparent?  Or 
clicky-choppy-AGC-pumpy?

                         - Jerry KF6VB





From don at w3fpr.com  Sun Oct 24 17:34:44 2021
From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 17:34:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 K2 QSK?
In-Reply-To: <8cfa97576759201687530149ce8fbb58@tr2.com>
References: <2988f330-8286-7b74-f0cb-049e6c930fca@janeandjohn.org>
	<8cfa97576759201687530149ce8fbb58@tr2.com>
Message-ID: <c74812c1-2d92-5374-8685-34c6232dda58@w3fpr.com>

Jerry,

Your K2 #1 DOES have AGC - it is built into ALL K2s.
There are 2 possibilities - 1) the AGC has been turned off - that is a 2 
button function of PRE/ATT button and the AGC button pressed at the same 
time.? Normally just using the AGC button changes between FAST and SLOW.

2) The AGC threshold is not correct.? If the serial number is 3000 or 
above, there is a pot (R1 on the Control Board) to adjust the threshold 
- see the K2 manual for where to measure while setting it.

There are 2 VFOs in the K2 although only one is displayed at a time.? A 
simple tap of the A=B button will sync the 2 VFOs

It sounds like you? might benefit from downloading the K2 Quick 
Reference from my webpage www.w3fpr.com.? Look near the bottom of the 
homepage.? There is a lot more function to the K2 than meets the eye.

You will have to get the answer to your QSK on the K4 from someone else, 
but I expect it to be superb - I know both the K2 with the K2 Keying 
Waveshape Mod (SN 4660 and above) and the K3/K3S have excellent QSK 
keying, and I expect the same with the K4.

Unfortunately, the K2 Keying Waveshape Mod is not available from 
Elecraft, but Dave Van Wallaghen W8FGU was talking about providing a kit 
for it.? If your K2 does not have it, I would recommend contacting Dave.
To check your K2 for the presence of that mod, remove the bottom panel 
and look at D36 - if it is a clear PIN diode or a PIN diode mounted on 
and SMD carrier board, the mod is installed.? That mod is important for 
preventing keyclicks which are not noticeable for the QRP K2, but become 
obvious with the KPA100 (or other amplifier).

73,
Don W3FPR


On 10/24/2021 3:52 PM, jerry wrote:
> So:?? Somehow I wound up with two K2s.? I bought the first one because 
> it was small - multiband - and QSK.? I have
> become enamored of transparent, conversational QSK - the kind where 
> your transmitted signal just sounds like all the other signals.? The 
> K2 alas is not that, although it is PIN diode switched.? I don't think 
> any commercial transceiver is.
>
> ? Got K2 #2 to get the KPA100.? Moved the KPA100 to #1, because #1 has 
> all the good mods - the PLL mod, the volume control mod, the upgraded 
> crystals, etc.
>
> ?The closest I have been to really good QSK is a QRP-labs QCX+ kit.? 
> But it's only one band, and the receiver is probably not as good as a 
> K2 with a crystal filter - and K2 #1 even has the DSP audio filter.? 
> AND it lacks AGC.? I was operating field day, a local came on and 
> nearly blew me out of my chair :).
>
> ? So here's my idea for perfect QSK:? I use the two K2's as a 
> transmitter receiver pair.? One on transmit, the other on receive.? 
> Connect them to the antenna with a custom PIN diode switch.? W6JL has 
> a lot of info on that in his QRZ page.
> Arrange something like 130dB attenuation.... or whatever 100W ( or 
> 500w if I use a linear ) down to a microvolt or two.
>
> ?HOWEVER... I really don't want to be synchronizing VFOs all the 
> time.? So I find some sort of open source transceiver
> control program.? And modify it so it tunes TWO radios at the same time.
>
> ? How good is QSK on the K4?? Smooth/transparent?? Or 
> clicky-choppy-AGC-pumpy?
>


From Mike.Carter at unh.edu  Sun Oct 24 21:20:59 2021
From: Mike.Carter at unh.edu (Michael Carter)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 01:20:59 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 K2 QSK?
Message-ID: <BL3P223MB005052747F80AF99A908CECFE4839@BL3P223MB0050.NAMP223.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Jerry,

There has been a LOT of discussion on the K4
groups.io forum about the QSK performance
of the K4.  If not subscribed to that forum,
it's worth doing so if only to follow the chatter
about the K4's features and reported bugs.

Follow Don's advice, especially on any matter
involving the K2!

73,
Mike, K8CN

From n8sbe at arrl.net  Sun Oct 24 21:37:04 2021
From: n8sbe at arrl.net (Dave New)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 20:37:04 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 80M SSB Net for October 24th (25th UTC) 2021
Message-ID: <20211024203704.Horde.4k8WBVs3KrjJjXMO5FzXK63@www14.qth.com>

I unofficially ran the 80M SSB Net this evening starting at 0102 UTC  
and noted the following check-ins:

Call          Name       State        Radio
N8SBE         Dave       MI           K3S                  Net Control

AE6JV         Bill       NH                                Relay Station

WB8HRO        Tim        MI           FT450D

NC0JW         Jim        CO

WB3LGC        Steve      DE           K4D

Sorry, I didn't note everyone's radio.  If you have  
additions/corrections, please let me know.

Propagation was not especially good this evening, and there was a  
great deal of lightning QRN from a line of storms over Illinois  
extending south of St. Louis.  I appreciate everyone's patience as I  
dealt with all the static on my end.

The net concluded at 0124 UTC

Dave N8SBE




From 99sunset at gmail.com  Sun Oct 24 22:38:38 2021
From: 99sunset at gmail.com (Steve Hall)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 22:38:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 10-24 40 meter SSB net 7.280
Message-ID: <CALdUqNPiGK0zsfDMxN=O1o0M1Rr5bY5CLPV5k_VJNqsXSfMXhw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to all checking in and to relay stations.

WM6P STEVE GA K3S
K8NU CARL OH FTDX101D
WY3T TIM FL K3S
W3UP DICK PA FLEX6600
AE6JV BILL NH K3
KM4LOZ WILLIAM KY FTDX3000
KI44FGK BILLY GA TENTEC SCOUT
KB2FSB LLOYD NY IC7200
WB9JNZ ERIC IL FTDX101D
W3SA JOHN NC TS890
K1NW BRIAN RI K3
NC0JW JIM CO KX3
N8SBE DAVE MI K3S
K1ND JAN MI K4 202
KB9FGW ROGER WI FT840
W4DML DOUG TN K3
WB3LGC STEVE DE K4 315
WB8HRO TIME MI FT450
W9EJB ED IN K3
KB3FBR JOE PA K2
AD5DX DWIGHT AR FT891
AJ4BH BUDDY GA FT1000

From w5sv.dave at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 00:01:36 2021
From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 23:01:36 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Loop antenna replie
Message-ID: <74D802A7-FD6F-4CD3-ABAB-3208E4B0F6FB@gmail.com>

I would like to thank all who applied to my loop antenna and attic antenna questions; you have given me a lot of good ideas and things to consider and I appreciate it very much!

Thanks!

73 de W5SV - David F. Reed


From kevinr at coho.net  Mon Oct 25 01:47:15 2021
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevin)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 22:47:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <9c77c319-d4b5-a1f1-291f-4625dea194ab@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? Conditions were better than they have been in some time. Quiet on 
twenty with a few storms active on forty.? QSB was low to moderate.? I 
did not hear any digital activity.? The sun is slowly waking up.


 ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

W0CZ - Ken - ND

NO8V - John - MI

AB9V - Mike - IN

K6XK - Roy - IA

K4JPN - Steve - GA

K4WJ - John - FL

W8OV - Dave - TX


 ? On 7047.5 kHz at 0000z:

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

K6PJV - Dale - CA

K7TXA - Jim - ID

W8OV - Dave - TX


Until next week 73,

 ?? Kevin.? KD5ONS



-



In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.




From dave.g4aon at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 13:19:36 2021
From: dave.g4aon at gmail.com (Dave)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 18:19:36 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 K2 QSK?
Message-ID: <CABiKjG5Raz0mRvwTn_3Mpqh8UWj4NY9+_8w1H=av2LFfnLqodg@mail.gmail.com>

? How good is QSK on the K4? Smooth/transparent? Or clicky-choppy-AGC-pumpy?

                        - Jerry KF6VB?


Having a K1, K2, KX3, sold my K3, and have a K4D, I can say the K4 QSK
is as smooth as any of the others and better than the K3.


To be fair, smooth QSK operation depends on how much background noise
you have? as being able to hear between dots, or characters, results
in hearing the noise. While not an indication of smooth QSK, you can
sense the presence of strong signal between a string of dots at speeds
in excess of 30 wpm.


73 Dave

-- 
Sent from my iPhone SE

From paul142857 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 18:11:23 2021
From: paul142857 at gmail.com (Paul Huff)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 18:11:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 paddle connector
Message-ID: <BBC1B16A-DAA8-47B7-8E64-0A00056EB68A@gmail.com>

I have been exploring options for connecting a paddle, bug, or straight key, to the front edge connector on my new KX3, and some of you have shared ideas and suggestions with me.  I greatly appreciate everything that has been given.  But I also contacted Elecraft technical support and asked them about that unusual square 4-pin connection and they sent me a link to the actual part supplier that they use.  (Click here <https://www.samtec.com/products/ssq-102-02-f-d-ra>)  That is outstanding customer support!  I haven?t decided what I am going to do yet but I sure am enjoying this new rig!

73,

Paul - N8XMS
100% QRP CW




From rich at wc3t.us  Mon Oct 25 18:26:44 2021
From: rich at wc3t.us (Rich WC3T)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 18:26:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 paddle connector
In-Reply-To: <BBC1B16A-DAA8-47B7-8E64-0A00056EB68A@gmail.com>
References: <BBC1B16A-DAA8-47B7-8E64-0A00056EB68A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <96CB760F-DEA9-4C34-AD19-C244C7A8368A@wc3t.us>

I knew this article would come in handy.  

http://ag6qr.net/index.php/how-to-use-a-straight-key-and-paddles-together-on-a-kx3/

> On Oct 25, 2021, at 18:13, Paul Huff <paul142857 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I have been exploring options for connecting a paddle, bug, or straight key, to the front edge connector on my new KX3, and some of you have shared ideas and suggestions with me.  I greatly appreciate everything that has been given.  But I also contacted Elecraft technical support and asked them about that unusual square 4-pin connection and they sent me a link to the actual part supplier that they use.  (Click here <https://www.samtec.com/products/ssq-102-02-f-d-ra>)  That is outstanding customer support!  I haven?t decided what I am going to do yet but I sure am enjoying this new rig!
> 
> 73,
> 
> Paul - N8XMS
> 100% QRP CW
> 
> 
> 
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From pa0pje at xs4all.nl  Tue Oct 26 03:20:23 2021
From: pa0pje at xs4all.nl (Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE))
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 09:20:23 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 paddle connector
In-Reply-To: <96CB760F-DEA9-4C34-AD19-C244C7A8368A@wc3t.us>
References: <BBC1B16A-DAA8-47B7-8E64-0A00056EB68A@gmail.com>
	<96CB760F-DEA9-4C34-AD19-C244C7A8368A@wc3t.us>
Message-ID: <7b85a38b-256d-e7ba-5e99-4069026d2587@xs4all.nl>

That is exactly what I did, Rich and Paul...
The "connector" I used was a 2 pin connector that is/was in use in 
computers to connect activity LED's and reset buttons to the main board. 
They fit perfectly and can be salvaged from nearly any old PC. Use the 
two right hand upper and lower pins and put the front key setting to "hand"

73,
Peter-PA0PJE

On 2021-26-10 at 00:26 Rich WC3T wrote:
> I knew this article would come in handy.
> 
> http://ag6qr.net/index.php/how-to-use-a-straight-key-and-paddles-together-on-a-kx3/
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2021, at 18:13, Paul Huff <paul142857 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?I have been exploring options for connecting a paddle, bug, or straight key, to the front edge connector on my new KX3, and some of you have shared ideas and suggestions with me.  I greatly appreciate everything that has been given.  But I also contacted Elecraft technical support and asked them about that unusual square 4-pin connection and they sent me a link to the actual part supplier that they use.  (Click here <https://www.samtec.com/products/ssq-102-02-f-d-ra>)  That is outstanding customer support!  I haven?t decided what I am going to do yet but I sure am enjoying this new rig!
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Paul - N8XMS
>> 100% QRP CW
>>
>>
>>
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From mhorn71 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 26 12:03:54 2021
From: mhorn71 at gmail.com (Mark Horn)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 17:03:54 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3s and Mazzoni Baby Loop ATU version 2
Message-ID: <CAHOgj-sgcNn7nhWPc_+ym7Rw6J8kQN61bwgQ5aV4xNrohgJU4A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Has anyone been using the Mazzoni Baby Loop with the version 2 ATU and
serial comms?   If you have did you have any issues with it?

73 Mark M0WGF

From gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 26 23:42:42 2021
From: gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com (eric norris)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 03:42:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 cyclic macros?
References: <1353943269.2083890.1635306162847.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1353943269.2083890.1635306162847@mail.yahoo.com>

There has been some discussion on the KX group reflector of cyclic macros for the KX3.
My question is, would this work on the KPA1500?? Could a single macro be written for a PF key that would cycle through the various fan speeds?
P.S.? Thank you ALL for your suggestions in re my XFINITY/COMCAST SHUTOFF.? I will post an update when it has been resolved.
Thanks,

73, Eric WD6DBM

? 

From n6tv at arrl.net  Thu Oct 28 01:35:59 2021
From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 22:35:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 cyclic macros?
In-Reply-To: <1353943269.2083890.1635306162847@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1353943269.2083890.1635306162847.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1353943269.2083890.1635306162847@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAOmNKGKi82TC5xuEGGL3DnOx8p+5azonyheUbQ1LGbSLLX3a-A@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 8:43 PM eric norris via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> There has been some discussion on the KX group reflector of cyclic macros
> for the KX3.
> My question is, would this work on the KPA1500?  Could a single macro be
> written for a PF key that would cycle through the various fan speeds?


I guess you're referring to this thread:
https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-KX/topic/86464063#70583

Cyclic macro technique for KX2 or KX3 was described 8 years ago in this
post:

https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-KX/message/37876

Sorry, but I don't see any way to use that technique with the KPA1500,
because holding or tapping PF keys doesn't reprogram them, and there is no
command to scroll to a specific menu item.

You can program a PF key to reprogram itself after it runs, but I see no
way for it to cycle between the five different min fan speed commands ^FC0;
.. ^FC5;

But, you can use the K3 Utility to program PF1 to set FAN SPEED MIN to 0
(used for normal operating), and PF2 to set FAN SPEED MIN to 1 (for
contesting), say.

   1. Open the KPA1500 Utility and Connect to the K4
   2. Go to the *Command Tester* tab
   3. Click the *Edit Macros* button.  Copy paste these two macros exactly
   as shown to program PF1 and PF2 to display message text and set the minimum
   fan speed:

   Macro Label   Macro Commands
   PF1=FAN0      ^PF1^DTFan Speed Min 0,^FC0;
   PF2=FAN1      ^PF2^DTFan Speed Min 1,^FC1;

   4. Click *Save*
   5. Click the *PF1=FAN0* and *PF2=FAN1* buttons *once *in the *Command
   Tester* tab to program the two PF keys
   6. Now you can just hold PF1 or PF2 to select between the two different
   minimum fan speeds

If you just want to hear what the different fan speeds sound like, tap
MENU, scroll down to FAN SPEED MIN, hold EDIT, and tap the up and down
arrows.  Speed 5 is louder than a vacuum cleaner.

73,
Bob, N6TV

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Oct 28 11:48:52 2021
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 08:48:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use with the
	K4
Message-ID: <51FFFD05-6998-4047-B349-7907ED0BD7EF@elecraft.com>

The K-Pod is an accessory control panel that's ideal for use with the K4. It provides 16 switch functions; control of VFO A/VFO B/RIT-XIT offset; and three general purpose open-drain outputs for station control. You can use the K4's macro editor to create command sequences to assign to K-Pod switches.

For further product details, see:

  https://elecraft.com/collections/k-pod-desktop-control-panel

Revision F of the K-Pod owner's manual now provides complete instructions for use with the K4 transceiver. The manual can be found here:

  https://ftp.elecraft.com/K-Pod/Manuals%20Downloads/E740285%20KPOD%20Owner's%20Manual%20Rev%20F.pdf

K-Pod firmware was also recently updated: Rev. 1.12 lets you configure the K-Pod's encoder to have the same resolution as those on the K4 (up to 400 counts per turn). 

73,
Wayne
N6KR


From k6dgwnv at gmail.com  Thu Oct 28 14:32:30 2021
From: k6dgwnv at gmail.com (Fred)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 11:32:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use with
 the K4
In-Reply-To: <51FFFD05-6998-4047-B349-7907ED0BD7EF@elecraft.com>
References: <51FFFD05-6998-4047-B349-7907ED0BD7EF@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <96c93d44-b0a2-ebf7-8e52-9a08cbed414a@gmail.com>

Adventures in my 20's followed by a steady accumulation of birthdays has 
left me with arm/shoulder deficiencies, aggravated by reaching out to 
tune and adjust a radio. The K-Pod is the best accessory I purchased for 
my very early K3 [S/N 642].? It gets the tuning and 95% of the switch 
functions I ever use right down at my left next to the mouse and 
paddle.? I can rest my arm on the arm of the chair which saves the wear 
and tear on it and my shoulder.

I also operate W7RN [K3] remotely with the RemoteRig interface, and the 
K-Pod tuning knob remotely tunes just fine but the switches don't work, 
probably because there are no macros loaded into the remote radio?

I also purchased the Digital Voice module which I've used at least 2 
times, forgetting that the only time I get on Phone is on 2 m and 70 cm 
from my truck. [:=)

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

Wayne Burdick wrote on 10/28/2021 8:48 AM:
> The K-Pod is an accessory control panel that's ideal for use with the K4. It provides 16 switch functions; control of VFO A/VFO B/RIT-XIT offset; and three general purpose open-drain outputs for station control. You can use the K4's macro editor to create command sequences to assign to K-Pod switches.
>
> For further product details, see:
>
>    https://elecraft.com/collections/k-pod-desktop-control-panel
>
> Revision F of the K-Pod owner's manual now provides complete instructions for use with the K4 transceiver. The manual can be found here:
>
>    https://ftp.elecraft.com/K-Pod/Manuals%20Downloads/E740285%20KPOD%20Owner's%20Manual%20Rev%20F.pdf
>
> K-Pod firmware was also recently updated: Rev. 1.12 lets you configure the K-Pod's encoder to have the same resolution as those on the K4 (up to 400 counts per turn).
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>



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From w4kx at mac.com  Thu Oct 28 15:47:25 2021
From: w4kx at mac.com (Tom Doligalski)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 15:47:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use with
 the K4
In-Reply-To: <96c93d44-b0a2-ebf7-8e52-9a08cbed414a@gmail.com>
References: <51FFFD05-6998-4047-B349-7907ED0BD7EF@elecraft.com>
	<96c93d44-b0a2-ebf7-8e52-9a08cbed414a@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0EBAD63C-794C-4A94-A439-9A49494C37CB@mac.com>

I?m right handed and use my right hand to send CW as well as to copy. So, the iPod is particularly convenieent to adjust the radio (especially RIT for off-frequency responses). 

I use it every day? can?t believe how convenient it is!

Tom W4KX
K4 #110
K3 #969

> On Oct 28, 2021, at 2:32 PM, Fred <k6dgwnv at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Adventures in my 20's followed by a steady accumulation of birthdays has left me with arm/shoulder deficiencies, aggravated by reaching out to tune and adjust a radio. The K-Pod is the best accessory I purchased for my very early K3 [S/N 642].  It gets the tuning and 95% of the switch functions I ever use right down at my left next to the mouse and paddle.  I can rest my arm on the arm of the chair which saves the wear and tear on it and my shoulder.
> 
> I also operate W7RN [K3] remotely with the RemoteRig interface, and the K-Pod tuning knob remotely tunes just fine but the switches don't work, probably because there are no macros loaded into the remote radio?
> 
> I also purchased the Digital Voice module which I've used at least 2 times, forgetting that the only time I get on Phone is on 2 m and 70 cm from my truck. [:=)
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
> Wayne Burdick wrote on 10/28/2021 8:48 AM:
>> The K-Pod is an accessory control panel that's ideal for use with the K4. It provides 16 switch functions; control of VFO A/VFO B/RIT-XIT offset; and three general purpose open-drain outputs for station control. You can use the K4's macro editor to create command sequences to assign to K-Pod switches.
>> 
>> For further product details, see:
>> 
>>   https://elecraft.com/collections/k-pod-desktop-control-panel
>> 
>> Revision F of the K-Pod owner's manual now provides complete instructions for use with the K4 transceiver. The manual can be found here:
>> 
>>   https://ftp.elecraft.com/K-Pod/Manuals%20Downloads/E740285%20KPOD%20Owner's%20Manual%20Rev%20F.pdf
>> 
>> K-Pod firmware was also recently updated: Rev. 1.12 lets you configure the K-Pod's encoder to have the same resolution as those on the K4 (up to 400 counts per turn).
>> 
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
> 
> 
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From elecraft.list at videotron.ca  Thu Oct 28 15:53:51 2021
From: elecraft.list at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 15:53:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K4Suite is now available
Message-ID: <127801d7cc35$8b614660$a223d320$@videotron.ca>

I am pleased to announce the release of Win4K4Suite.  This release requires
K4 firmware, beta R25 or higher.  Many thanks to Kevin Rowett and Brandon
Hansen who helped make this happen!
For those of you who have used Win4K3Suite, you will find a familiar
experience with almost all the same functionality only limited by the
current K4 firmware.
Win4K4Suite is a comprehensive control and integration platform for the
Elecraft K4.  One of its key features is the ability to run up to 6
applications simultaneously over a single serial port or the K4 Ethernet
connection.  While the radio itself allows such sharing with its 3 serial
ports and its Ethernet connection, Win4K4 will allow applications that do
not have ethernet capability to run remotely using the built in virtual
radios.  This includes WSJT-X, DXLab, HRD Logbook, and pretty well all third
party products.

In the first release of Win4K4 the following features are available:

-Full control of the radio presented in a large and "mini" format
-Support for USB connections and Ethernet
-Access to commonly used menu items
-Club Log profile applied to your favorite cluster
-CW - FSK - PSK terminal with logging to your favorite logger
-6 virtual radios that allow you to run other 3rd party software or hardware
products simultaneously. They work even with Win4K4 over a network
-Macros
-Shortwave Database based on the EiBi Database
-Audio Oscilloscope
-Audio Spectrum Scope
-Support for the SDRPlay RSP devices

With the current firmware in the K4 the following features are not yet
available:
-Frequency Memories: Not yet available in the K4 firmware
-Native K4 spectrum output: Not yet available in the K4 firmware
-Ethernet connectivity of the KPA1500.
All these features will come as the firmware matures.

Here is a picture of some of the functionality:
https://va2fsq.com/wp-content/uploads/k4-large.jpg

The software has a 30 day trial.  You can download it here: va2fsq.com

73 Tom, va2fsq


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From ni8njack at gmail.com  Thu Oct 28 16:28:43 2021
From: ni8njack at gmail.com (Jack Hubbard)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 16:28:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB KPA-100
Message-ID: <CAMsCdFzYyGGPHn2=ACaU5Lo1nF7hGzMbTCnV8hGgg1P05kZxaA@mail.gmail.com>

WTB  K2 100 watt amp, KPA-100  dead or alive.
Please reply to:  ni8njack at gmail.com.
Thank you.

From w6ipa at poxika.net  Thu Oct 28 17:16:36 2021
From: w6ipa at poxika.net (W6IPA)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 14:16:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 paddle connector
Message-ID: <5C5C2F61-77CE-4455-8F9F-AE747A1E977F@poxika.net>

Hi,

I sell this https://www.tindie.com/products/w6ipa/kx-buddy-key/ <https://www.tindie.com/products/w6ipa/kx-buddy-key/>

Might be what you need.

JC/W6IPA

From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Thu Oct 28 17:23:23 2021
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Ed Cole)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 13:23:23 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] feeding a half-wave dipole with ladder line
Message-ID: <68274f2c-8406-f720-a910-eefe65ddfd07@acsalaska.net>

I am redesigning my 40/80/160/630m antennas.

A year ago the tower I was supporting my 630m Invert-L was damaged by 
wind and taken down.  Replacement tower is shorter so not suitable end 
wire support for HF antenna.

I decided to repurpose my 80/40m dual dipole into a based-loaded 40-foot 
vertical using the 80 & 40m wires for top hat loading on 160/630m.  To 
do that I purpose to run 40-foot of ladder-line vertical and either load 
the bottom using a balun for 80/40m or short the ladder line for the 
loaded vertical.
http://www.kl7uw.com/630mTee.jpg

My question is what balun to use for 80/40m. ladder line is 200-300 ohm 
whereas the dipoles are near 50-ohm.  Should I use a 9:1 balun or would 
my original 1:1 balun work?  Tuners will be in the shack (KXAT at 100w; 
Drake MN-2000 at 1200w).  RG-13 coax to base of ladder-line.

I have a couple vac-relays to short the ladder-line and connect the 
loading coil for 160/630m.

Thanks, Ed - KL7UW

From lists at subich.com  Thu Oct 28 17:47:04 2021
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 17:47:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] feeding a half-wave dipole with ladder line
In-Reply-To: <68274f2c-8406-f720-a910-eefe65ddfd07@acsalaska.net>
References: <68274f2c-8406-f720-a910-eefe65ddfd07@acsalaska.net>
Message-ID: <fdac0c97-de3d-fe10-0d84-bc79483eb142@subich.com>


Your 130' dipole will be damn near impossible to feed on 40 meters as
the center is very high impedance.  You would be better served to
hang a parallel dipole (33' per side) under the 65' wires and use
RG213/RG8 for the vertical section.

The additional 33' wires will give you marginally more top loading
and the coax will work just as well for the vertical element since
you are shorting it top and bottom.  While you're at it, push the
feeedpoint up to 50 feet ... more vertical for 160/630m and better
performance for the dipole on 80/40.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2021-10-28 5:23 PM, Ed Cole wrote:
> I am redesigning my 40/80/160/630m antennas.
> 
> A year ago the tower I was supporting my 630m Invert-L was damaged by 
> wind and taken down.? Replacement tower is shorter so not suitable end 
> wire support for HF antenna.
> 
> I decided to repurpose my 80/40m dual dipole into a based-loaded 40-foot 
> vertical using the 80 & 40m wires for top hat loading on 160/630m.? To 
> do that I purpose to run 40-foot of ladder-line vertical and either load 
> the bottom using a balun for 80/40m or short the ladder line for the 
> loaded vertical.
> http://www.kl7uw.com/630mTee.jpg
> 
> My question is what balun to use for 80/40m. ladder line is 200-300 ohm 
> whereas the dipoles are near 50-ohm.? Should I use a 9:1 balun or would 
> my original 1:1 balun work?? Tuners will be in the shack (KXAT at 100w; 
> Drake MN-2000 at 1200w).? RG-13 coax to base of ladder-line.
> 
> I have a couple vac-relays to short the ladder-line and connect the 
> loading coil for 160/630m.
> 
> Thanks, Ed - KL7UW



From wunder at wunderwood.org  Thu Oct 28 18:00:25 2021
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 15:00:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] feeding a half-wave dipole with ladder line
In-Reply-To: <fdac0c97-de3d-fe10-0d84-bc79483eb142@subich.com>
References: <68274f2c-8406-f720-a910-eefe65ddfd07@acsalaska.net>
	<fdac0c97-de3d-fe10-0d84-bc79483eb142@subich.com>
Message-ID: <79FA936C-7D72-40A0-AA87-0E50A8BB9AA3@wunderwood.org>

Are you sure your ladder line is 200-300 ?? My calculations say that 12 AWG conductors 12 inches apart makes 680 ? line.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Oct 28, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Your 130' dipole will be damn near impossible to feed on 40 meters as
> the center is very high impedance.  You would be better served to
> hang a parallel dipole (33' per side) under the 65' wires and use
> RG213/RG8 for the vertical section.
> 
> The additional 33' wires will give you marginally more top loading
> and the coax will work just as well for the vertical element since
> you are shorting it top and bottom.  While you're at it, push the
> feeedpoint up to 50 feet ... more vertical for 160/630m and better
> performance for the dipole on 80/40.
> 
> 73,
> 
>   ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
> On 2021-10-28 5:23 PM, Ed Cole wrote:
>> I am redesigning my 40/80/160/630m antennas.
>> A year ago the tower I was supporting my 630m Invert-L was damaged by wind and taken down.  Replacement tower is shorter so not suitable end wire support for HF antenna.
>> I decided to repurpose my 80/40m dual dipole into a based-loaded 40-foot vertical using the 80 & 40m wires for top hat loading on 160/630m.  To do that I purpose to run 40-foot of ladder-line vertical and either load the bottom using a balun for 80/40m or short the ladder line for the loaded vertical.
>> http://www.kl7uw.com/630mTee.jpg
>> My question is what balun to use for 80/40m. ladder line is 200-300 ohm whereas the dipoles are near 50-ohm.  Should I use a 9:1 balun or would my original 1:1 balun work?  Tuners will be in the shack (KXAT at 100w; Drake MN-2000 at 1200w).  RG-13 coax to base of ladder-line.
>> I have a couple vac-relays to short the ladder-line and connect the loading coil for 160/630m.
>> Thanks, Ed - KL7UW
> 
> 
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From rick at tavan.com  Thu Oct 28 18:49:10 2021
From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 15:49:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use with
 the K4
In-Reply-To: <96c93d44-b0a2-ebf7-8e52-9a08cbed414a@gmail.com>
References: <51FFFD05-6998-4047-B349-7907ED0BD7EF@elecraft.com>
	<96c93d44-b0a2-ebf7-8e52-9a08cbed414a@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANVONALCs5K5eODkrLkfVtFxkwfWysm9qmPxu6w3AgFnAU8REA@mail.gmail.com>

Right. The macros are stored in the radios, not in the K*Pod. You need to
run K3 Utility at the radio site to load them into the K3.  The K4 has a
primitive text editor for on-screen macro entry, one finger typing with no
tactile feedback. Not fun but no computer required.

/Rick N6XI

On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 11:33 AM Fred <k6dgwnv at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> I also operate W7RN [K3] remotely with the RemoteRig interface, and the
> K-Pod tuning knob remotely tunes just fine but the switches don't work,
> probably because there are no macros loaded into the remote radio?
>
> --

Rick Tavan
Truckee and Saratoga, CA

From n6tv at arrl.net  Thu Oct 28 19:17:03 2021
From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 16:17:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use with
 the K4
In-Reply-To: <CANVONALCs5K5eODkrLkfVtFxkwfWysm9qmPxu6w3AgFnAU8REA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51FFFD05-6998-4047-B349-7907ED0BD7EF@elecraft.com>
	<96c93d44-b0a2-ebf7-8e52-9a08cbed414a@gmail.com>
	<CANVONALCs5K5eODkrLkfVtFxkwfWysm9qmPxu6w3AgFnAU8REA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOmNKGL90tKAkkLu8MgtByiRLynAcAMs7CLDQDp-t+im_-qRZA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 3:50 PM Rick Tavan <rick at tavan.com> wrote:

> Right. The macros are stored in the radios, not in the K*Pod. You need to
> run K3 Utility at the radio site to load them into the K3.  The K4 has a
> primitive text editor for on-screen macro entry, one finger typing with no
> tactile feedback. Not fun but no computer required.
>

You do not have to tap the on-screen keyboard to enter macro text into the
K4.  The K4's built-in Macro Editor supports ten finger typing with a real
USB keyboard plugged into one of the K4's three standard USB Type A
connectors.

An external USB keyboard is currently the easiest way to enter long macro
strings into the K4.  Hopefully someday Elecraft will provide a new host
command to store macro text.  Such commands would allow PC software, or
basic batch files, to save macro text into the K4.

73,
Bob, N6TV

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Oct 28 19:21:48 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 16:21:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] feeding a half-wave dipole with ladder line
In-Reply-To: <68274f2c-8406-f720-a910-eefe65ddfd07@acsalaska.net>
References: <68274f2c-8406-f720-a910-eefe65ddfd07@acsalaska.net>
Message-ID: <32d3127d-7488-17b8-f912-3ff7bd571fef@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/28/2021 2:23 PM, Ed Cole wrote:
> I am redesigning my 40/80/160/630m antennas.
> 
> A year ago the tower I was supporting my 630m Invert-L was damaged by 
> wind and taken down.? Replacement tower is shorter so not suitable end 
> wire support for HF antenna.

Hi Ed,

Take a look at the antennas on VK4YB's qrz page. My neighbor W6GJB 
rigged a version of the first one that I tweaked in NEC to fit his real 
estate and available trees. He's feeding directly with a simple LC 
matching network that I designed in SimSmith based on measuring the 
antenna feedpoint Z. If you've got the real estate and supports, it's a 
great antenna for that band, because it's relatively efficient.

The antenna works VERY well, because it's end-loaded. Lengths are 
tweaked so that the max current is in the vertical section. In addition 
to tweaking those lengths, I also gave him the option of splitting the 
end loading into two or three shorter wires running in different 
directions. GJB has worked VK4YB several times; VK4YB and NO3M set a 
630m record several years ago (which may be broken by now).

73, Jim K9YC

From jim at n7us.net  Thu Oct 28 20:32:57 2021
From: jim at n7us.net (Jim McDonald)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 00:32:57 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use with
 the	K4
In-Reply-To: <51FFFD05-6998-4047-B349-7907ED0BD7EF@elecraft.com>
References: <51FFFD05-6998-4047-B349-7907ED0BD7EF@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <SN6PR17MB20637CE4C283792A0847C6279A879@SN6PR17MB2063.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

Does the selection of encoder rates only apply to the K4?

73,  Jim N7US

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 10:49
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use with the K4

The K-Pod is an accessory control panel that's ideal for use with the K4. It provides 16 switch functions; control of VFO A/VFO B/RIT-XIT offset; and three general purpose open-drain outputs for station control. You can use the K4's macro editor to create command sequences to assign to K-Pod switches.

For further product details, see:

  https://elecraft.com/collections/k-pod-desktop-control-panel

Revision F of the K-Pod owner's manual now provides complete instructions for use with the K4 transceiver. The manual can be found here:

  https://ftp.elecraft.com/K-Pod/Manuals%20Downloads/E740285%20KPOD%20Owner's%20Manual%20Rev%20F.pdf

K-Pod firmware was also recently updated: Rev. 1.12 lets you configure the K-Pod's encoder to have the same resolution as those on the K4 (up to 400 counts per turn). 

73,
Wayne
N6KR

From n6tv at arrl.net  Thu Oct 28 21:42:36 2021
From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 18:42:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use with
 the K4
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR17MB20637CE4C283792A0847C6279A879@SN6PR17MB2063.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
References: <51FFFD05-6998-4047-B349-7907ED0BD7EF@elecraft.com>
	<SN6PR17MB20637CE4C283792A0847C6279A879@SN6PR17MB2063.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAOmNKG+GTzW3jJ8QWeARfdJk4w_i7UXQXadbwnUEkMBkzn6KNg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 5:33 PM Jim McDonald <jim at n7us.net> wrote:

> Does the selection of encoder rates only apply to the K4?
>

Yes, this only works with the K4.  The K3 firmware cannot reprogram the
K-POD encoder to match the K3's tuning rate.

73,
Bob, N6TV

From john at kk9a.com  Thu Oct 28 23:07:37 2021
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 23:07:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use with
	the K4
Message-ID: <004901d7cc72$20e055f0$62a101d0$@com>

I really like the K-POD, except for the slow tuning. Too bad that the K3
firmware "cannot" reprogram it.

John KK9A 


Bob Wilson, N6TV wrote:

Yes, this only works with the K4.  The K3 firmware cannot reprogram the
K-POD encoder to match the K3's tuning rate.

73,
Bob, N6TV


From ajwanschura at gmail.com  Fri Oct 29 09:30:27 2021
From: ajwanschura at gmail.com (Anthony Wanschura)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 08:30:27 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
Message-ID: <CABsHw8yYFPdtvAT5BhbaeAWzQUV+Jkk3mU_OeQQ+vcTdOv5pWg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I've seen a few K3 For Sale ads that mention "parts swappers". Has this
really been an issue?

It makes me hesitate to put my K3 up for sale.

73,
Tony   KM0O

From carl at n8vz.com  Fri Oct 29 09:44:36 2021
From: carl at n8vz.com (=?utf-8?Q?Carl_J=C3=B3n_Denbow?=)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 09:44:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
In-Reply-To: <CABsHw8yYFPdtvAT5BhbaeAWzQUV+Jkk3mU_OeQQ+vcTdOv5pWg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABsHw8yYFPdtvAT5BhbaeAWzQUV+Jkk3mU_OeQQ+vcTdOv5pWg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F0640FD-888F-4AED-8FC2-5C4462236501@n8vz.com>

Tony:  I think it?s just an excuse that some hams use for saying they won?t accept returns.  I?m sure it?s happened on rare occasions, but I?ve bought and sold a lot gear on qth.com, and a few other places, over the years and I?ve found the vast majority of hams to be honest.  I have dealt with a few scammers, but that?s a different issue.  They are invariably non-hams who are posing as hams. In all the time I?ve engaged in online trading of ham gear, I?ve only run into one dishonest ham, but he seemed to be suffering from some kind of mental disorder.  If you insist on being paid via PayPal you?ll be protected. That?s my two cents worth. ? 73 de Carl

Sent from my iPhone
==============================
Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ
17 Coventry Lane
Athens, Ohio 45701-3718

carl at n8vz.com
www.n8vz.com
EM89wh

IRLP 4533   Echolink 116070

POTA on SSB and digital modes
=======================

> On Oct 29, 2021, at 9:33 AM, Anthony Wanschura <ajwanschura at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi all,
> 
> I've seen a few K3 For Sale ads that mention "parts swappers". Has this
> really been an issue?
> 
> It makes me hesitate to put my K3 up for sale.
> 
> 73,
> Tony   KM0O
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From kb1awm at arrl.net  Fri Oct 29 09:51:12 2021
From: kb1awm at arrl.net (Greg Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 09:51:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
In-Reply-To: <CABsHw8yYFPdtvAT5BhbaeAWzQUV+Jkk3mU_OeQQ+vcTdOv5pWg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABsHw8yYFPdtvAT5BhbaeAWzQUV+Jkk3mU_OeQQ+vcTdOv5pWg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABVtLDA9E=HN-YCd3TsvznMeEJTrLiKordfCZLmBGF-H5xUjCQ@mail.gmail.com>

My personal opinion is that it's not a real thing (at least not as enough
volume to matter). If it really bothers you, get some of those void
warranty stickers so you know if the radio has been opened.

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 9:32 AM Anthony Wanschura <ajwanschura at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've seen a few K3 For Sale ads that mention "parts swappers". Has this
> really been an issue?
>
> It makes me hesitate to put my K3 up for sale.
>
> 73,
> Tony   KM0O
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From jeanpaul at mannie.eu  Fri Oct 29 10:01:13 2021
From: jeanpaul at mannie.eu (JP(PF0X))
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 16:01:13 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for a KPA100 kit
Message-ID: <EA95B16D-362F-473F-A030-ABC413602F02@amsat.org>

Dear all,

I recently had the wonderful experience of building my K2/10 kit; serial number high up in the #79xx! Keeping a close eye on the Elecraft shipment status website for months kept my hope alive to one-day be able to upgrade my K2/10 to a K2/100. Unfortunately, it has now become clear the KPA100 kit has been discontinued and now left-over stock is available.

Does anyone has a KPA100 kit collecting dust and would be willing to sell it to me (shipment to the Netherlands, which I would be willing to reimburse of course)? Or potentially an extra build KPA100?

Thank you for your thoughts,
Regards from a very recent Elecraft kit enthusiast!


Jp - PF0X

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Fri Oct 29 11:22:24 2021
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 11:22:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
In-Reply-To: <CABVtLDA9E=HN-YCd3TsvznMeEJTrLiKordfCZLmBGF-H5xUjCQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABsHw8yYFPdtvAT5BhbaeAWzQUV+Jkk3mU_OeQQ+vcTdOv5pWg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABVtLDA9E=HN-YCd3TsvznMeEJTrLiKordfCZLmBGF-H5xUjCQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts7hdDrVXjM_p=i_g+7sTihdXK5B51w-akRfDriE8OSayQ@mail.gmail.com>

If it is a real thing, I would have tripped over it by now.

However, if you are selling an FT101ZD with 6146B tubes in it, that might
be a different story.

73, Mike

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 9:52 AM Greg Mitchell <kb1awm at arrl.net> wrote:

> My personal opinion is that it's not a real thing (at least not as enough
> volume to matter). If it really bothers you, get some of those void
> warranty stickers so you know if the radio has been opened.
>
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 9:32 AM Anthony Wanschura <ajwanschura at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I've seen a few K3 For Sale ads that mention "parts swappers". Has this
> > really been an issue?
> >
> > It makes me hesitate to put my K3 up for sale.
> >
> > 73,
> > Tony   KM0O
> > ______________________________________________________________
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From ardrhi at gmail.com  Thu Oct 28 18:56:41 2021
From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 18:56:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 paddle connector
In-Reply-To: <5C5C2F61-77CE-4455-8F9F-AE747A1E977F@poxika.net>
References: <5C5C2F61-77CE-4455-8F9F-AE747A1E977F@poxika.net>
Message-ID: <CA+nQa2O_iMp1yvnFyfojXpMckYRZFpVSrpvH66YGkGdkJbpY9A@mail.gmail.com>

I made my own gadget like that. Except that it also has a little cable
coming around to the key jack on the left side, and I have TWO jacks for
paddle, two for straight/cootie on the little box on the bottom. That way I
don't have to fiddle with anything.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
73,
Gwen, NG3P


On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 5:17 PM W6IPA <w6ipa at poxika.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I sell this https://www.tindie.com/products/w6ipa/kx-buddy-key/ <
> https://www.tindie.com/products/w6ipa/kx-buddy-key/>
>
> Might be what you need.
>
> JC/W6IPA
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From dave at nk7z.net  Fri Oct 29 12:26:17 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 09:26:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
In-Reply-To: <CABsHw8yYFPdtvAT5BhbaeAWzQUV+Jkk3mU_OeQQ+vcTdOv5pWg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABsHw8yYFPdtvAT5BhbaeAWzQUV+Jkk3mU_OeQQ+vcTdOv5pWg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <545ed7eb-1156-f2c8-aa23-665f3ef6847b@nk7z.net>

Maybe some people do this, but I have never had it happen to me, and I 
buy/sell on QTH, and QRZ.  I suspect people looking for a good excuse to 
not offer returns, no matter what.

Personally, I won't purchase from a person claiming parts swappers are a 
problem.  Why?  It gives them an excuse to sell me a radio I can't 
return for any reason-- even if it does not work out of the shipping box.

I am sure someone someplace got burned by this, but it looks like an 
excuse to me.  Hence why I don't trade with people that claim that.

On 10/29/21 6:30 AM, Anthony Wanschura wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I've seen a few K3 For Sale ads that mention "parts swappers". Has this
> really been an issue?
> 
> It makes me hesitate to put my K3 up for sale.
> 
> 73,
> Tony   KM0O
> ______________________________________________________________
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73,
Dave,
https://www.nk7z.net


From dave at nk7z.net  Fri Oct 29 12:44:16 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 09:44:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
In-Reply-To: <545ed7eb-1156-f2c8-aa23-665f3ef6847b@nk7z.net>
References: <CABsHw8yYFPdtvAT5BhbaeAWzQUV+Jkk3mU_OeQQ+vcTdOv5pWg@mail.gmail.com>
	<545ed7eb-1156-f2c8-aa23-665f3ef6847b@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <575b0714-b4c3-a5c4-4d57-5a88601be43c@nk7z.net>

Just as an aside, my post here has nothing to do with any person or 
business selling here...  Just how I operate when purchasing items from 
anyone...


From ab7echo at gmail.com  Fri Oct 29 14:22:15 2021
From: ab7echo at gmail.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 11:22:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
In-Reply-To: <4F0640FD-888F-4AED-8FC2-5C4462236501@n8vz.com>
References: <CABsHw8yYFPdtvAT5BhbaeAWzQUV+Jkk3mU_OeQQ+vcTdOv5pWg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F0640FD-888F-4AED-8FC2-5C4462236501@n8vz.com>
Message-ID: <5514b29b-cb95-fc86-3032-bab9bee2b399@gmail.com>


Personally, I think it's a fallacy that hams are any more fundamentally 
honorable than the average person.? We have enough evidence of cheating 
in contests to know that.? And if NK7Z (an active buyer/seller of ham 
gear) says he doesn't trust hams who use the parts swapping excuse to 
refuse returns, that's telling as well.

Hams aren't any worse than any other group of humans, but I think any of 
us should use the same care in a purchase from a ham that we would from 
anyone else.

73,
Dave?? AB7E


On 10/29/2021 6:44 AM, Carl J?n Denbow wrote:
> Tony:  I think it?s just an excuse that some hams use for saying they won?t accept returns.  I?m sure it?s happened on rare occasions, but I?ve bought and sold a lot gear on qth.com, and a few other places, over the years and I?ve found the vast majority of hams to be honest.  I have dealt with a few scammers, but that?s a different issue.  They are invariably non-hams who are posing as hams. In all the time I?ve engaged in online trading of ham gear, I?ve only run into one dishonest ham, but he seemed to be suffering from some kind of mental disorder.  If you insist on being paid via PayPal you?ll be protected. That?s my two cents worth. ? 73 de Carl
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ==============================
> Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ
> 17 Coventry Lane
> Athens, Ohio 45701-3718
>
> carl at n8vz.com
> www.n8vz.com
> EM89wh
>


From k6dgwnv at gmail.com  Fri Oct 29 14:24:09 2021
From: k6dgwnv at gmail.com (Fred)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 11:24:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use with
 the K4
In-Reply-To: <004901d7cc72$20e055f0$62a101d0$@com>
References: <004901d7cc72$20e055f0$62a101d0$@com>
Message-ID: <2f63e566-55b9-7dba-cf05-badab57b96ce@gmail.com>

"... except for the slow tuning." ????? I must be missing something.? My 
K-Pod tunes at the same rate as the K3. I have one of the K-Pod buttons 
emulating the FINE/COARSE button on the radio ... use it all the time.? 
Maybe the rates I have my K3 configured for just happen to match the 
encoder in the K-Pod?

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

john at kk9a.com wrote on 10/28/2021 8:07 PM:
> I really like the K-POD, except for the slow tuning. Too bad that the K3
> firmware "cannot" reprogram it.
>
> John KK9A
>
>
> Bob Wilson, N6TV wrote:
>
> Yes, this only works with the K4.  The K3 firmware cannot reprogram the
> K-POD encoder to match the K3's tuning rate.
>
> 73,
> Bob, N6TV
>
>
>



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From hbjr at optilink.us  Fri Oct 29 14:47:53 2021
From: hbjr at optilink.us (Hank)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 14:47:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
In-Reply-To: <545ed7eb-1156-f2c8-aa23-665f3ef6847b@nk7z.net>
References: <CABsHw8yYFPdtvAT5BhbaeAWzQUV+Jkk3mU_OeQQ+vcTdOv5pWg@mail.gmail.com>
	<545ed7eb-1156-f2c8-aa23-665f3ef6847b@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <15a954f872d654e2d19597556fd8e1a0@optilink.us>

It has happened to me - not on a K3 but on a power supply. ?I sold a perfectly good 50 Amp Astron linear DC supply on eBay. ?Guy said it didn't work and shipped it back to me.

Before I sold it, I added 3 new MOV's as per an article on repeater-builder. ?They were a certain color and size and of course I soldered them in place - I knew what they looked like.

When I received the power supply back, I opened it to check it out. ?I immediately noticed the transformer only had a single MOV across the input leads and it was discolored due to heat or age or both. ?The transformer was not connected on the low voltage side at all - the remnants of the old leads were still soldered to diode/rectifier parts and appears to have been cut from "my" transformer with dikes. ?The cork pieces between the transformer and the case were gone - I had added an extra piece to help with the hum - all gone. ?This wasn't my transformer!!

Since the transformer was disconnected on the low side I plugged the supply up to AC and flipped on the switch and the supply's fuse blew >:-(

I bypassed all of the internal wiring in the supply and tied the high side of the transformer to AC and plugged it in on the bench - it blew the breaker on my power strip. ?So, I gave away my good working transformer to some guy who needed it in his supply.?

I made a case with eBay and the only resolve so far is the buyer was delisted and they have refunded all of my fees. ?The case is ongoing.

The ?buyer was not a ham to my knowledge.

Hank
K4HYJ


----- Original Message -----
From: Dave (dave at nk7z.net)
Date: 10/29/21 12:26
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"

Maybe some people do this, but I have never had it happen to me, and I
buy/sell on QTH, and QRZ. ?I suspect people looking for a good excuse to
not offer returns, no matter what.

Personally, I won't purchase from a person claiming parts swappers are a
problem. ?Why? ?It gives them an excuse to sell me a radio I can't
return for any reason-- even if it does not work out of the shipping box.

I am sure someone someplace got burned by this, but it looks like an
excuse to me. ?Hence why I don't trade with people that claim that.

On 10/29/21 6:30 AM, Anthony Wanschura wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've seen a few K3 For Sale ads that mention "parts swappers". Has this
> really been an issue?
>
> It makes me hesitate to put my K3 up for sale.
>
> 73,
> Tony ? KM0O
> ______________________________________________________________
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From dave at nk7z.net  Fri Oct 29 15:24:34 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 12:24:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
In-Reply-To: <5514b29b-cb95-fc86-3032-bab9bee2b399@gmail.com>
References: <CABsHw8yYFPdtvAT5BhbaeAWzQUV+Jkk3mU_OeQQ+vcTdOv5pWg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F0640FD-888F-4AED-8FC2-5C4462236501@n8vz.com>
	<5514b29b-cb95-fc86-3032-bab9bee2b399@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2dce28ce-d641-2601-7e2b-80609496eb24@nk7z.net>

Dave AB7E,

It is not a matter of trust, it is a matter of keeping my options open. 
I assume all transactions will be honest, but I take precautions in the 
event one is not.

I also won't trade with a person that refuses to use PayPal, either as a 
buyer or seller.  I will however purchase cash if I can see and touch 
the equipment.  If I can't get a set of clear photos, I won't trade, etc...

I have never been burned by parts swappers, but I am sure they exist. If 
I refuse to trade with them, I guarantee I will never get burned by 
one-- hence my attitude with regards to that subject.

On 10/29/21 11:22 AM, David Gilbert wrote:
> 
> Personally, I think it's a fallacy that hams are any more fundamentally 
> honorable than the average person.? We have enough evidence of cheating 
> in contests to know that.? And if NK7Z (an active buyer/seller of ham 
> gear) says he doesn't trust hams who use the parts swapping excuse to 
> refuse returns, that's telling as well.
> 
> Hams aren't any worse than any other group of humans, but I think any of 
> us should use the same care in a purchase from a ham that we would from 
> anyone else.
> 
> 73,
> Dave?? AB7E
> 
> 
> On 10/29/2021 6:44 AM, Carl J?n Denbow wrote:
>> Tony:? I think it?s just an excuse that some hams use for saying they 
>> won?t accept returns.? I?m sure it?s happened on rare occasions, but 
>> I?ve bought and sold a lot gear on qth.com, and a few other places, 
>> over the years and I?ve found the vast majority of hams to be honest.  
>> I have dealt with a few scammers, but that?s a different issue.? They 
>> are invariably non-hams who are posing as hams. In all the time I?ve 
>> engaged in online trading of ham gear, I?ve only run into one 
>> dishonest ham, but he seemed to be suffering from some kind of mental 
>> disorder.? If you insist on being paid via PayPal you?ll be protected. 
>> That?s my two cents worth. ? 73 de Carl
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ==============================
>> Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ
>> 17 Coventry Lane
>> Athens, Ohio 45701-3718
>>
>> carl at n8vz.com
>> www.n8vz.com
>> EM89wh
>>
> 
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73,
Dave,
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From drh at dremy.com  Fri Oct 29 17:57:58 2021
From: drh at dremy.com (David Hourdequin)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 17:57:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with external 432 transverter
Message-ID: <4E6D8C2B-012B-425B-9B02-0D12E7011E08@dremy.com>

I have a new Q5Signal 432 100w transverter all hooked up, did all the appropriate settings on the K3 (I think) but K3 is not ?hearing? through the transverter nor is the transverter being driven when I key the mike although the transmit light is on when I do key it but no output power LED?s are lighting.  I?m thinking there is a setting somewhere that switches the K3 to ?xvtr mode? vs regular hf mode but I haven?t found it yet.

Knowing me, it is something simple.  Any help or suggestions would be most appreciated.

Tnx es 73, David, NS4V

David R. Hourdequin, PE
Specialty Engineering
Heavy Timber - Glulam
SIPs - CLT Engineering
P.O. Box 1399
Hayesville, NC. 28904
828-421-6216
drh at dremy.com






From n6tv at arrl.net  Fri Oct 29 17:58:42 2021
From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 14:58:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use with
 the K4
In-Reply-To: <2f63e566-55b9-7dba-cf05-badab57b96ce@gmail.com>
References: <004901d7cc72$20e055f0$62a101d0$@com>
	<2f63e566-55b9-7dba-cf05-badab57b96ce@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOmNKGJnbR9RcZz57aAGDBWY-FRuAL2NTmoZHTsLXdmeNijfaA@mail.gmail.com>

In the K3, if you change *CONFIG:VFO CTS*, the VFO frequency moves faster
at 400 than at 100 (counts per turn), but the K-POD always tunes at 100 or
200 counts per turn (can't remember which).  The K-POD ignores the VFO CTS
setting on a K3.

In the K4, the equivalent setting is *MENU:VFO Counts per Turn*, and *both*
the VFO knob and the K-POD tuning rates are affected equally.

Just spin one knob exactly one full 360? turn clockwise, then spin the
other knob full turn counterclockwise.  If you don't end up back on the
frequency where you started, it means the tuning rates are not the same.

73,
Bob, N6TV


On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 11:25 AM Fred <k6dgwnv at gmail.com> wrote:

> "... except for the slow tuning." ????  I must be missing something.  My
> K-Pod tunes at the same rate as the K3. I have one of the K-Pod buttons
> emulating the FINE/COARSE button on the radio ... use it all the time.
> Maybe the rates I have my K3 configured for just happen to match the
> encoder in the K-Pod?
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> john at kk9a.com wrote on 10/28/2021 8:07 PM:
> > I really like the K-POD, except for the slow tuning. Too bad that the K3
> > firmware "cannot" reprogram it.
> >
> > John KK9A
> >
> >
> > Bob Wilson, N6TV wrote:
> >
> > Yes, this only works with the K4.  The K3 firmware cannot reprogram the
> > K-POD encoder to match the K3's tuning rate.
> >
> > 73,
> > Bob, N6TV
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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From MJGillen at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 29 18:30:42 2021
From: MJGillen at yahoo.com (Michael Gillen)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 15:30:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
References: <8A4B5BD9-EC2A-4F2D-AFAE-E9DFA6E0E5CD.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8A4B5BD9-EC2A-4F2D-AFAE-E9DFA6E0E5CD@yahoo.com>

I always get a phone number and talk to the person directly. If they won?t supply a phone number I pass.
If you use PayPal DON?T use ?Friends and Family? you will have no protection. If you need to add 3% to cover the fees no big deal.
I always insist on the ability to return the item.
Just be cautious.

KK6RWK
Michael

From 99sunset at gmail.com  Fri Oct 29 19:00:15 2021
From: 99sunset at gmail.com (Steve Hall)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 19:00:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] feeding a half-wave dipole with ladder line
Message-ID: <CALdUqNNO71AYytJcTped4kswPBmD4DBQr4rFVdEBk=Td-8u2=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Yes the antenna will be very high impedance.  As suggested, connect an
additional pair of wires for 40 meters to the same feed point of the
dipole, if possible put them at right angles to the existing dipole.

From jim at n7us.net  Fri Oct 29 19:18:56 2021
From: jim at n7us.net (Jim McDonald)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 23:18:56 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use with
 the K4
In-Reply-To: <CAOmNKGJnbR9RcZz57aAGDBWY-FRuAL2NTmoZHTsLXdmeNijfaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004901d7cc72$20e055f0$62a101d0$@com>
	<2f63e566-55b9-7dba-cf05-badab57b96ce@gmail.com>
	<CAOmNKGJnbR9RcZz57aAGDBWY-FRuAL2NTmoZHTsLXdmeNijfaA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SN6PR17MB2063198ADA616FF2E06AC3D19A879@SN6PR17MB2063.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

My K-Pod tune at half the rate of the K3S at all three VFO CTS settings.

If Elecraft could do it, I'd like for the K3/K3S F/W to provide the option for the K-Pod to tune at the same rate.

73,  Jim N7US

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Bob Wilson, N6TV
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 16:59
To: john at kk9a.com; Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use with the K4

In the K3, if you change *CONFIG:VFO CTS*, the VFO frequency moves faster at 400 than at 100 (counts per turn), but the K-POD always tunes at 100 or
200 counts per turn (can't remember which).  The K-POD ignores the VFO CTS setting on a K3.

In the K4, the equivalent setting is *MENU:VFO Counts per Turn*, and *both* the VFO knob and the K-POD tuning rates are affected equally.

Just spin one knob exactly one full 360? turn clockwise, then spin the other knob full turn counterclockwise.  If you don't end up back on the frequency where you started, it means the tuning rates are not the same.

73,
Bob, N6TV


On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 11:25 AM Fred <k6dgwnv at gmail.com> wrote:

> "... except for the slow tuning." ????  I must be missing something.  
> My K-Pod tunes at the same rate as the K3. I have one of the K-Pod 
> buttons emulating the FINE/COARSE button on the radio ... use it all the time.
> Maybe the rates I have my K3 configured for just happen to match the 
> encoder in the K-Pod?
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> john at kk9a.com wrote on 10/28/2021 8:07 PM:
> > I really like the K-POD, except for the slow tuning. Too bad that 
> > the K3 firmware "cannot" reprogram it.
> >
> > John KK9A
> >
> >
> > Bob Wilson, N6TV wrote:
> >
> > Yes, this only works with the K4.  The K3 firmware cannot reprogram 
> > the K-POD encoder to match the K3's tuning rate.
> >
> > 73,
> > Bob, N6TV
> >
> >

From n6tv at arrl.net  Fri Oct 29 19:28:19 2021
From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 16:28:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use with
 the K4
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR17MB2063198ADA616FF2E06AC3D19A879@SN6PR17MB2063.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
References: <004901d7cc72$20e055f0$62a101d0$@com>
	<2f63e566-55b9-7dba-cf05-badab57b96ce@gmail.com>
	<CAOmNKGJnbR9RcZz57aAGDBWY-FRuAL2NTmoZHTsLXdmeNijfaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<SN6PR17MB2063198ADA616FF2E06AC3D19A879@SN6PR17MB2063.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAOmNKG+cYGviihT==y6OKw=Vvr4o1YQ-OQ-pByKXqPjjF6T1iQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 4:19 PM Jim McDonald <jim at n7us.net> wrote:

> My K-Pod tune at half the rate of the K3S at all three VFO CTS settings.
>

Check again, because that does not match my experience if your K-POD
firmware is at 1.09 (can't test now, sold both K3s).  If CONFIG:VFO CTS is
set to 100 (or 200?), I'm pretty sure the K-POD knob tunes at the same rate
as the VFO A knob.  I don't think a power cycle is required.

If Elecraft could do it, I'd like for the K3/K3S F/W to provide the option
> for the K-Pod to tune at the same rate.
>

Yes, we asked for that years ago, but it never happened, and I don't think
it will ever happen.  There's just no room left in the K3's limited memory
to add such complex code now.

Consider upgrading from the K3 to a K4.  K-POD plugs straight in via USB
cable and works perfectly.

73,
Bob, N6TV

From wb0poq at gmail.com  Fri Oct 29 19:33:22 2021
From: wb0poq at gmail.com (Bob Liesen)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 18:33:22 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
In-Reply-To: <8A4B5BD9-EC2A-4F2D-AFAE-E9DFA6E0E5CD@yahoo.com>
References: <8A4B5BD9-EC2A-4F2D-AFAE-E9DFA6E0E5CD.ref@yahoo.com>
	<8A4B5BD9-EC2A-4F2D-AFAE-E9DFA6E0E5CD@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAO9_kpjNCpVRhM7_k7MGbdv5kCAMZuBNGWQfFr0Z9x6K+sAC=A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
  Sorry to be ignorant, but what exactly is a "parts swapper"?

Tnx
Bob  WB0POQ

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 5:31 PM Michael Gillen via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> I always get a phone number and talk to the person directly. If they won?t
> supply a phone number I pass.
> If you use PayPal DON?T use ?Friends and Family? you will have no
> protection. If you need to add 3% to cover the fees no big deal.
> I always insist on the ability to return the item.
> Just be cautious.
>
> KK6RWK
> Michael
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From jim at n7us.net  Fri Oct 29 19:34:26 2021
From: jim at n7us.net (Jim McDonald)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 23:34:26 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use with
 the K4
In-Reply-To: <CAOmNKG+cYGviihT==y6OKw=Vvr4o1YQ-OQ-pByKXqPjjF6T1iQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004901d7cc72$20e055f0$62a101d0$@com>
	<2f63e566-55b9-7dba-cf05-badab57b96ce@gmail.com>
	<CAOmNKGJnbR9RcZz57aAGDBWY-FRuAL2NTmoZHTsLXdmeNijfaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<SN6PR17MB2063198ADA616FF2E06AC3D19A879@SN6PR17MB2063.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAOmNKG+cYGviihT==y6OKw=Vvr4o1YQ-OQ-pByKXqPjjF6T1iQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SN6PR17MB20634DAE1833918DC2F4B3F09A879@SN6PR17MB2063.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

I did check just before I sent my note.  The new K-Pod F/W works the same as 1.09.  At each setting in the K3S (was the same as the K3 I had before), the K-Pod tuning rate is one-half of that in the radio.

I bought the K3 in 2009 and the K3S in 2017, and that never changed.

73,  Jim N7US

From: Bob Wilson, N6TV <n6tv at arrl.net>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 18:28
To: Jim McDonald <jim at n7us.net>; Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use with the K4

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 4:19 PM Jim McDonald <jim at n7us.net<mailto:jim at n7us.net>> wrote:
My K-Pod tune at half the rate of the K3S at all three VFO CTS settings.

Check again, because that does not match my experience if your K-POD firmware is at 1.09 (can't test now, sold both K3s).  If CONFIG:VFO CTS is set to 100 (or 200?), I'm pretty sure the K-POD knob tunes at the same rate as the VFO A knob.  I don't think a power cycle is required.

If Elecraft could do it, I'd like for the K3/K3S F/W to provide the option for the K-Pod to tune at the same rate.

Yes, we asked for that years ago, but it never happened, and I don't think it will ever happen.  There's just no room left in the K3's limited memory to add such complex code now.

Consider upgrading from the K3 to a K4.  K-POD plugs straight in via USB cable and works perfectly.

73,
Bob, N6TV

From carl at n8vz.com  Fri Oct 29 19:40:47 2021
From: carl at n8vz.com (=?utf-8?Q?Carl_J=C3=B3n_Denbow?=)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 19:40:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
In-Reply-To: <545ed7eb-1156-f2c8-aa23-665f3ef6847b@nk7z.net>
References: <545ed7eb-1156-f2c8-aa23-665f3ef6847b@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <73757DE6-CE60-4D43-900C-82AE72BD6BFC@n8vz.com>

I have the same policy as Dave.  I don?t buy from folks who use this ploy.  Turns me off.  Makes them look suspicious.  ? 73 de Carl

Sent from my iPhone
==============================
Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ
17 Coventry Lane
Athens, Ohio 45701-3718

carl at n8vz.com
www.n8vz.com
EM89wh

IRLP 4533   Echolink 116070

POTA on SSB and digital modes
=======================

> On Oct 29, 2021, at 12:28 PM, Dave <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Maybe some people do this, but I have never had it happen to me, and I buy/sell on QTH, and QRZ.  I suspect people looking for a good excuse to not offer returns, no matter what.
> 
> Personally, I won't purchase from a person claiming parts swappers are a problem.  Why?  It gives them an excuse to sell me a radio I can't return for any reason-- even if it does not work out of the shipping box.
> 
> I am sure someone someplace got burned by this, but it looks like an excuse to me.  Hence why I don't trade with people that claim that.
> 
>> On 10/29/21 6:30 AM, Anthony Wanschura wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I've seen a few K3 For Sale ads that mention "parts swappers". Has this
>> really been an issue?
>> It makes me hesitate to put my K3 up for sale.
>> 73,
>> Tony   KM0O
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From julia at juliatuttle.net  Fri Oct 29 19:42:56 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 19:42:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
In-Reply-To: <CAO9_kpjNCpVRhM7_k7MGbdv5kCAMZuBNGWQfFr0Z9x6K+sAC=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8A4B5BD9-EC2A-4F2D-AFAE-E9DFA6E0E5CD.ref@yahoo.com>
	<8A4B5BD9-EC2A-4F2D-AFAE-E9DFA6E0E5CD@yahoo.com>
	<CAO9_kpjNCpVRhM7_k7MGbdv5kCAMZuBNGWQfFr0Z9x6K+sAC=A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrP+Y7e5OFCFEap-v_e5GgWkQZE7iDAJ39Ss_gO6rU=LTg@mail.gmail.com>

It's someone who buys a fancy piece of equipment (like a radio or a power
supply), opens it, removes some valuable parts, maybe replaces them with
inferior substitutes, and returns their purchase.

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 7:34 PM Bob Liesen <wb0poq at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>   Sorry to be ignorant, but what exactly is a "parts swapper"?
>
> Tnx
> Bob  WB0POQ
>
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 5:31 PM Michael Gillen via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
> > I always get a phone number and talk to the person directly. If they
> won?t
> > supply a phone number I pass.
> > If you use PayPal DON?T use ?Friends and Family? you will have no
> > protection. If you need to add 3% to cover the fees no big deal.
> > I always insist on the ability to return the item.
> > Just be cautious.
> >
> > KK6RWK
> > Michael
> > ______________________________________________________________
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From rmcgraw at benlomand.net  Fri Oct 29 19:48:36 2021
From: rmcgraw at benlomand.net (Bob McGraw)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 18:48:36 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] feeding a half-wave dipole with ladder line
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3301.1635544759.9846.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.3301.1635544759.9846.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <8431998e-509b-9164-368a-1985394d87f6@benlomand.net>

Remember that you are not matching the impedance of the ladder line, but 
more so, matching the impedance of the antenna.?? The reason for ladder 
line is the low loss property even with high SWR on the line.??? A good 
quality 1:1 balun is preferred.?? See https://www.dj0ip.de/balun-stuff/

I've been using balanced fed antennas since 1960.?? I bring the balanced 
line all the way to the tuner in the shack where it meets up with my 
custom Guanella balun.? Regarding balanced fed antennas, they work, they 
are easy to use, easy easy to keep in the air and DO NOT have TVI or RF 
issues in the shack.?? Most of the information you hear is related to? 
"old ham lore" and is not valid in any sense of the imagination.

Yes, the 130 ft center fed length will be very difficult to match on 40M 
as the feed Z will be very high, in the order of 4K ohms, and not likely 
in the range of your tuner.?? I suggest you add a 33 ft section of wire 
to either side at the feed point. ? Thus a 80/40M antenna. ? Then you 
will be able to work 80M, 40M, 20M, 15M, and 10M with that antenna 
configuration.?? Mine does!? Works great.

If you want it to work 160M then it needs to be 256 ft in length.?? 
Although you might get a reasonable match on 160M with the 130 ft center 
fed wire.?? It will depend somewhat on the feed line length acting as a 
line section transformer.

As to 630M, that is a different animal and needs special attention.? I'd 
suggest tying the feeders together and uss the antenna as a top loaded 
vertical.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 10/29/2021 4:59 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 13:23:23 -0800
> From: Ed Cole<kl7uw at acsalaska.net>
> To:elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] feeding a half-wave dipole with ladder line
> Message-ID:<68274f2c-8406-f720-a910-eefe65ddfd07 at acsalaska.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> I am redesigning my 40/80/160/630m antennas.
>
> A year ago the tower I was supporting my 630m Invert-L was damaged by
> wind and taken down.  Replacement tower is shorter so not suitable end
> wire support for HF antenna.
>
> I decided to repurpose my 80/40m dual dipole into a based-loaded 40-foot
> vertical using the 80 & 40m wires for top hat loading on 160/630m.  To
> do that I purpose to run 40-foot of ladder-line vertical and either load
> the bottom using a balun for 80/40m or short the ladder line for the
> loaded vertical.
> http://www.kl7uw.com/630mTee.jpg
>
> My question is what balun to use for 80/40m. ladder line is 200-300 ohm
> whereas the dipoles are near 50-ohm.  Should I use a 9:1 balun or would
> my original 1:1 balun work?  Tuners will be in the shack (KXAT at 100w;
> Drake MN-2000 at 1200w).  RG-13 coax to base of ladder-line.
>
> I have a couple vac-relays to short the ladder-line and connect the
> loading coil for 160/630m.
>
> Thanks, Ed - KL7UW


From dave at nk7z.net  Fri Oct 29 21:14:17 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 18:14:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
In-Reply-To: <CAEVEBrP+Y7e5OFCFEap-v_e5GgWkQZE7iDAJ39Ss_gO6rU=LTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8A4B5BD9-EC2A-4F2D-AFAE-E9DFA6E0E5CD.ref@yahoo.com>
	<8A4B5BD9-EC2A-4F2D-AFAE-E9DFA6E0E5CD@yahoo.com>
	<CAO9_kpjNCpVRhM7_k7MGbdv5kCAMZuBNGWQfFr0Z9x6K+sAC=A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEVEBrP+Y7e5OFCFEap-v_e5GgWkQZE7iDAJ39Ss_gO6rU=LTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7552c4d7-85dc-d18e-2cd7-87243ae5dc60@nk7z.net>

Some rigs are sold as "Tech Special".  The ad indicates there is a 
problem with the rig, but is not specific about that problem, and states 
you will have to fix it.  Now you can't return if it does not work, you 
knew you were buying a dead rig...

What the ad does not say, is the magnitude of the problem...

Some folks will take several, (lets say, 706 MK2 Gs), that all have 
major but different problems, and build one working "Frankenradio" out 
of them, swapping every broken board into one of the dead 706's, that 
706 then gets sold as a "Tech Special".  This gets the Frankenradio 
working, and the "repair man", saves a few bucks by selling off the 
broken items.

The unsuspecting ham that thinks he may get a rig for 20% of new, and be 
able to repair it, finds a radio that has most of the boards dead, and 
the cost of repair is far more than the rig is worth.  Worse yet, the 
radio can't even be used as board replacements for a rig of the same 
ilk, as every board will need to be tested, and most will be bad...

The poor ham that buys the Frankenradio has no idea his radio has been 
pieced together with no regards to board mods, etc., from any number of 
dead rigs of the same ilk...

I am always very careful of buying used rigs...  I don't purchase full 
rigs often, and when I do I assume it will be broken, no matter what 
someone says, so the price had better reflect that...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 10/29/21 4:42 PM, Julia Tuttle wrote:
> It's someone who buys a fancy piece of equipment (like a radio or a power
> supply), opens it, removes some valuable parts, maybe replaces them with
> inferior substitutes, and returns their purchase.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 7:34 PM Bob Liesen <wb0poq at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>>    Sorry to be ignorant, but what exactly is a "parts swapper"?
>>
>> Tnx
>> Bob  WB0POQ
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 5:31 PM Michael Gillen via Elecraft <
>> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I always get a phone number and talk to the person directly. If they
>> won?t
>>> supply a phone number I pass.
>>> If you use PayPal DON?T use ?Friends and Family? you will have no
>>> protection. If you need to add 3% to cover the fees no big deal.
>>> I always insist on the ability to return the item.
>>> Just be cautious.
>>>
>>> KK6RWK
>>> Michael
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From n6zw at comcast.net  Fri Oct 29 21:25:44 2021
From: n6zw at comcast.net (MIKE ZANE)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 18:25:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] center fed dipole
Message-ID: <1705203692.528740.1635557144218@connect.xfinity.com>

I have no problem with a 130 ft dipole fed with 25 feet of 450 ohm ladder (window) line to a 4:1 4K balun with 15 feet of RG-213 to my MFJ 989C tuner. I have run from 5w to 1 KW with it....no problems at all.  n6zw

From ab7echo at gmail.com  Fri Oct 29 22:01:33 2021
From: ab7echo at gmail.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 19:01:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] center fed dipole
In-Reply-To: <1705203692.528740.1635557144218@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <1705203692.528740.1635557144218@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <d86caef8-4ed4-7bfb-fdaf-f15547906625@gmail.com>


Which bands do you use it on?? And how high is the antenna?? Flat or 
Inverted-V?

If you provide that info, it will be interesting to run a simulation on 
it to see what the losses are and where.

73,
Dave?? AB7E



On 10/29/2021 6:25 PM, MIKE ZANE wrote:
> I have no problem with a 130 ft dipole fed with 25 feet of 450 ohm ladder (window) line to a 4:1 4K balun with 15 feet of RG-213 to my MFJ 989C tuner. I have run from 5w to 1 KW with it....no problems at all.  n6zw


From lashap at cox.net  Sat Oct 30 01:45:42 2021
From: lashap at cox.net (Larry Shapiro)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 22:45:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
In-Reply-To: <CABsHw8yYFPdtvAT5BhbaeAWzQUV+Jkk3mU_OeQQ+vcTdOv5pWg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABsHw8yYFPdtvAT5BhbaeAWzQUV+Jkk3mU_OeQQ+vcTdOv5pWg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C4565F10EC174DC59E7C8C5948EE12AB@LarryPC>

When I first started listing items on QRZ, I was told by a handful of guys 
to always put this in my listings.
I asked why,and was told that it happens too frequently.
I started to add the parts swappers line to my listings.
I have not had any issues,other than one buyer who
was a real pain.
After reading this this thread,I have decided not to do this anymore.
In my 33 years as a Ham,I have had 99% great experiences with other Hams.
Thanks,
Larry k6ro

-----Original Message----- 
From: Anthony Wanschura
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 6:30 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"

Hi all,

I've seen a few K3 For Sale ads that mention "parts swappers". Has this
really been an issue?

It makes me hesitate to put my K3 up for sale.

73,
Tony   KM0O
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From johnae5x at gmail.com  Sat Oct 30 14:27:51 2021
From: johnae5x at gmail.com (John Harper)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 13:27:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft]  feeding a half-wave dipole with ladder line
Message-ID: <CAPHmH=NvF72BOfwCd6FReEDc2A6NnmpngTp2g3irM-c9tVmJgQ@mail.gmail.com>

I use an 80m dipole as you describe for 30, 40, 60 and 80 meters. Before
putting up a tower/Yagi, I used it 10-80 and have worked 8B-DXCC (CW) with
it.

15 ft of RG-213 goes out the shack window to a 9:1 balun, then 450-ohm
ladder line up 110 feet to the center of the dipole.

https://palomar-engineers.com/antenna-products/50-450-ohm-9-1-Balun-or-Unun-Core-Kit-5-32-MHz-1000-watts-PEP-end-fed-Ladder-Line-T2FD-antenna-p127674621

Tuner is a Palstar AT2K.

John AE5X
https://ae5x.blogspot.com

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Oct 30 15:40:50 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 12:40:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] feeding a half-wave dipole with ladder line
In-Reply-To: <CAPHmH=NvF72BOfwCd6FReEDc2A6NnmpngTp2g3irM-c9tVmJgQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPHmH=NvF72BOfwCd6FReEDc2A6NnmpngTp2g3irM-c9tVmJgQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <de3a1415-64d7-ddb3-6232-3b00165535b9@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/30/2021 11:27 AM, John Harper wrote:
> I use an 80m dipole as you describe for 30, 40, 60 and 80 meters. Before
> putting up a tower/Yagi, I used it 10-80 and have worked 8B-DXCC (CW) with
> it.

Multiband DXCC is NOT a measure of antenna performance, nor is VSWR. 
I've worked more than 250 countries on all bands above 80M, 238 on 80, 
173 on 160, 324 counting all bands. I didn't do it with a half-axxed 
antenna fed with open wire line. All of my antennas are resonant, fed 
with coax.

Multiband setups like you describe are for when you're limited in what 
you can put up, don't care to be better, or don't know the difference.

73, Jim K9YC

From jerry at tr2.com  Sat Oct 30 16:16:06 2021
From: jerry at tr2.com (jerry)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 13:16:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
In-Reply-To: <C4565F10EC174DC59E7C8C5948EE12AB@LarryPC>
References: <CABsHw8yYFPdtvAT5BhbaeAWzQUV+Jkk3mU_OeQQ+vcTdOv5pWg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C4565F10EC174DC59E7C8C5948EE12AB@LarryPC>
Message-ID: <367c4a098c12033a76465a6a1bd78370@tr2.com>

This is of real concern to me.  I have an accumulation of ham equipment, 
and
probably need to start moving some of it out - to make room in my life 
for more ham equipment :).

It's not that I need the money... got plenty of that.  I could keep 
buying equipment the rest of my life  and sluff off the selling job to 
my heirs :).  But that would be dumb.  What's the use of having all this
nice stuff in the closet?

   At the moment there's a pair of K2's - one 100W and one 10W.  An 
IC706MKII with very low hours.  A Kenwood TS590S.  A 30L-1.  A 
collection of Sideband Engineers SB34 transceivers.  A QRP-labs QCX+ & 
matching 50W amp.  A small collection of ARC-5 transmitters & receivers. 
  A Ubitx transceiver.  A couple of old sweep tube linears.  3 or 4 ( 
think there's 4, but haven't seen the fourth one in a while ) TV7D/U 
tube testers - my goodness, has anybody seen what those things are going 
for on Ebay?  Also, I expect my Alpha 78 to become surplus some time 
next year.

   In the past, there was a ham radio swap meet in Silicon Valley.  
That's gone for the moment due to COVID.  Even the venue ( Fry's 
Electroncs ) is gone.  I've been going to this thing since the early 
70's.  I would mostly buy, but also sold.  I've been there as early as 
4:30 in the morning... but I have never been first.
Fond memories... There was that Swan 500 that I scored for $100 at 6:00 
in the morning.

In the 80's, I was getting fairly prosperous, and I started buying all 
the stuff I had drooled over as a starving student in the 70's.  A Drake 
TR4...   A Collins R390A ( $100 ).  A Galaxy 5 in brand new condition 
with the packing tape still on the tubes...

Mostly, I sold it back a few months later at the same swap meet.  
Storage space was always an issue.  I used to joke that the most 
valuable thing that traded places at the swap was not the stuff... or 
the money.. but rather Silicon Valley real estate; storage space in 
people's attics and garages.  I developed an rule:  I would buy nothing 
that would not fit in a backpack.

The flea market was more than a sales venue - it was a community.  I 
would see familiar
people there.  There was the soldering iron guy... the cables & 
connectors family that came up from LA;  Rik the cheap Chinese tools guy 
who also had supermagnets.  Mark the
CTO of Netgear, who would come up in his old VW microbus and sell 
detritus from his lab.
He was an excellent source of wall warts.

   At the flea market, what you see is what you get.  Does it work?  Show 
me.  You could
get a feel for the guy behind the table, person to person.

   Anyway... selling on line to people far away - seems like a lot of 
work.  Have to pack stuff up, haul it off to the shipping store, freak 
out at how much they charge, worry about parts swappers.... Maybe I'll 
just wait till the swap meet starts up again in 2022.

                   - Jerry KF6VB



























On 2021-10-29 22:45, Larry Shapiro wrote:
> When I first started listing items on QRZ, I was told by a handful of
> guys to always put this in my listings.
> I asked why,and was told that it happens too frequently.
> I started to add the parts swappers line to my listings.
> I have not had any issues,other than one buyer who
> was a real pain.
> After reading this this thread,I have decided not to do this anymore.
> In my 33 years as a Ham,I have had 99% great experiences with other 
> Hams.
> Thanks,
> Larry k6ro
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Anthony Wanschura
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 6:30 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I've seen a few K3 For Sale ads that mention "parts swappers". Has this
> really been an issue?
> 
> It makes me hesitate to put my K3 up for sale.
> 
> 73,
> Tony   KM0O
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
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From ke8g.jim at gmail.com  Sat Oct 30 17:03:07 2021
From: ke8g.jim at gmail.com (KE8G)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 16:03:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
In-Reply-To: <367c4a098c12033a76465a6a1bd78370@tr2.com>
References: <CABsHw8yYFPdtvAT5BhbaeAWzQUV+Jkk3mU_OeQQ+vcTdOv5pWg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C4565F10EC174DC59E7C8C5948EE12AB@LarryPC>
	<367c4a098c12033a76465a6a1bd78370@tr2.com>
Message-ID: <CAOdpi6F85ZrGmJv+dXTAcxpC7qt+wcuW+fs-sY+P9GuDxNG_3A@mail.gmail.com>

I think it was started some years back and folks seem to think they need to
add it to their sales ad.

Personally, if I am looking for a piece of equipment and I see this little
phrase added to the blurb, I ignore it.  My feeling is that if the selling
person is saying he doesn't trust someone, then how can he be trusted?!?
As others have said, it's a copout way of saying the seller doesn't want to
be bothered with returns.

YMMV.

73 de Jim - KE8G

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 3:17 PM jerry <jerry at tr2.com> wrote:

> This is of real concern to me.  I have an accumulation of ham equipment,
> and
> probably need to start moving some of it out - to make room in my life
> for more ham equipment :).
>
> It's not that I need the money... got plenty of that.  I could keep
> buying equipment the rest of my life  and sluff off the selling job to
> my heirs :).  But that would be dumb.  What's the use of having all this
> nice stuff in the closet?
>
>    At the moment there's a pair of K2's - one 100W and one 10W.  An
> IC706MKII with very low hours.  A Kenwood TS590S.  A 30L-1.  A
> collection of Sideband Engineers SB34 transceivers.  A QRP-labs QCX+ &
> matching 50W amp.  A small collection of ARC-5 transmitters & receivers.
>   A Ubitx transceiver.  A couple of old sweep tube linears.  3 or 4 (
> think there's 4, but haven't seen the fourth one in a while ) TV7D/U
> tube testers - my goodness, has anybody seen what those things are going
> for on Ebay?  Also, I expect my Alpha 78 to become surplus some time
> next year.
>
>    In the past, there was a ham radio swap meet in Silicon Valley.
> That's gone for the moment due to COVID.  Even the venue ( Fry's
> Electroncs ) is gone.  I've been going to this thing since the early
> 70's.  I would mostly buy, but also sold.  I've been there as early as
> 4:30 in the morning... but I have never been first.
> Fond memories... There was that Swan 500 that I scored for $100 at 6:00
> in the morning.
>
> In the 80's, I was getting fairly prosperous, and I started buying all
> the stuff I had drooled over as a starving student in the 70's.  A Drake
> TR4...   A Collins R390A ( $100 ).  A Galaxy 5 in brand new condition
> with the packing tape still on the tubes...
>
> Mostly, I sold it back a few months later at the same swap meet.
> Storage space was always an issue.  I used to joke that the most
> valuable thing that traded places at the swap was not the stuff... or
> the money.. but rather Silicon Valley real estate; storage space in
> people's attics and garages.  I developed an rule:  I would buy nothing
> that would not fit in a backpack.
>
> The flea market was more than a sales venue - it was a community.  I
> would see familiar
> people there.  There was the soldering iron guy... the cables &
> connectors family that came up from LA;  Rik the cheap Chinese tools guy
> who also had supermagnets.  Mark the
> CTO of Netgear, who would come up in his old VW microbus and sell
> detritus from his lab.
> He was an excellent source of wall warts.
>
>    At the flea market, what you see is what you get.  Does it work?  Show
> me.  You could
> get a feel for the guy behind the table, person to person.
>
>    Anyway... selling on line to people far away - seems like a lot of
> work.  Have to pack stuff up, haul it off to the shipping store, freak
> out at how much they charge, worry about parts swappers.... Maybe I'll
> just wait till the swap meet starts up again in 2022.
>
>                    - Jerry KF6VB
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2021-10-29 22:45, Larry Shapiro wrote:
> > When I first started listing items on QRZ, I was told by a handful of
> > guys to always put this in my listings.
> > I asked why,and was told that it happens too frequently.
> > I started to add the parts swappers line to my listings.
> > I have not had any issues,other than one buyer who
> > was a real pain.
> > After reading this this thread,I have decided not to do this anymore.
> > In my 33 years as a Ham,I have had 99% great experiences with other
> > Hams.
> > Thanks,
> > Larry k6ro
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Anthony Wanschura
> > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 6:30 AM
> > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I've seen a few K3 For Sale ads that mention "parts swappers". Has this
> > really been an issue?
> >
> > It makes me hesitate to put my K3 up for sale.
> >
> > 73,
> > Tony   KM0O
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Oct 30 17:06:25 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 14:06:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
In-Reply-To: <367c4a098c12033a76465a6a1bd78370@tr2.com>
References: <CABsHw8yYFPdtvAT5BhbaeAWzQUV+Jkk3mU_OeQQ+vcTdOv5pWg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C4565F10EC174DC59E7C8C5948EE12AB@LarryPC>
	<367c4a098c12033a76465a6a1bd78370@tr2.com>
Message-ID: <d79ba9a6-97c0-7645-07c5-305b8c429847@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/30/2021 1:16 PM, jerry wrote:
> This is of real concern to me.? I have an accumulation of ham equipment,

For several years beginning around 2010, I had reasonable success 
selling stuff for the widow of a local ham, for a neighbor ham who moved 
to a sailboat, and for myself. A lot of it on eham, some to members of 
local clubs, some at that Si Valley swap. The only issue was something 
dumb by the dumb admin of eham, don't recall details.

When doing biz with a stranger, whether an individual or a company, 
whether online or in a swap meet (what we called hamfests east of the 
Rockies), it's always important to keep one's BS filter and scam filter 
firmly in place. So far, I have yet to be burned.

73, Jim K9YC

From turnbull at net1.ie  Sat Oct 30 17:18:53 2021
From: turnbull at net1.ie (turnbull)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 22:18:53 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
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Jerry,? ? Why not consider looking for some schools, colleges, scout troops to pass some of the radios on to.? ? Possibly ARRL, local clubs or the Northern California Dx Association? might make some suggestions to think about.? ?The hobby has been good to us.? ? ?I too am not keen on selling radio gear.? ?It is nice to be in such a situation.? ? Please forgive my gall for broaching this.? ?We all rightly have different circumstances and viewpoints.? ? 73 Doug EI2CNSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: KE8G <ke8g.jim at gmail.com> Date: 30/10/2021  22:04  (GMT+00:00) To: jerry <jerry at tr2.com> Cc: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>, Anthony Wanschura <ajwanschura at gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing" I think it was started some years back and folks seem to think they need toadd it to their sales ad.Personally, if I am looking for a piece of equipment and I see this littlephrase added to the blurb, I ignore it.? My feeling is that if the sellingperson is saying he doesn't trust someone, then how can he be trusted?!?As others have said, it's a copout way of saying the seller doesn't want tobe bothered with returns.YMMV.73 de Jim - KE8GOn Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 3:17 PM jerry <jerry at tr2.com> wrote:> This is of real concern to me.? I have an accumulation of ham equipment,> and> probably need to start moving some of it out - to make room in my life> for more ham equipment :).>> It's not that I need the money... got plenty of that.? I could keep> buying equipment the rest of my life? and sluff off the selling job to> my heirs :).? But that would be dumb.? What's the use of having all this> nice stuff in the closet?>>??? At the moment there's a pair of K2's - one 100W and one 10W.? An> IC706MKII with very low hours.? A Kenwood TS590S.? A 30L-1.? A> collection of Sideband Engineers SB34 transceivers.? A QRP-labs QCX+ &> matching 50W amp.? A small collection of ARC-5 transmitters & receivers.>?? A Ubitx transceiver.? A couple of old sweep tube linears.? 3 or 4 (> think there's 4, but haven't seen the fourth one in a while ) TV7D/U> tube testers - my goodness, has anybody seen what those things are going> for on Ebay?? Also, I expect my Alpha 78 to become surplus some time> next year.>>??? In the past, there was a ham radio swap meet in Silicon Valley.> That's gone for the moment due to COVID.? Even the venue ( Fry's> Electroncs ) is gone.? I've been going to this thing since the early> 70's.? I would mostly buy, but also sold.? I've been there as early as> 4:30 in the morning... but I have never been first.> Fond memories... There was that Swan 500 that I scored for $100 at 6:00> in the morning.>> In the 80's, I was getting fairly prosperous, and I started buying all> the stuff I had drooled over as a starving student in the 70's.? A Drake> TR4...?? A Collins R390A ( $100 ).? A Galaxy 5 in brand new condition> with the packing tape still on the tubes...>> Mostly, I sold it back a few months later at the same swap meet.> Storage space was always an issue.? I used to joke that the most> valuable thing that traded places at the swap was not the stuff... or> the money.. but rather Silicon Valley real estate; storage space in> people's attics and garages.? I developed an rule:? I would buy nothing> that would not fit in a backpack.>> The flea market was more than a sales venue - it was a community.? I> would see familiar> people there.? There was the soldering iron guy... the cables &> connectors family that came up from LA;? Rik the cheap Chinese tools guy> who also had supermagnets.? Mark the> CTO of Netgear, who would come up in his old VW microbus and sell> detritus from his lab.> He was an excellent source of wall warts.>>??? At the flea market, what you see is what you get.? Does it work?? Show> me.? You could> get a feel for the guy behind the table, person to person.>>??? Anyway... selling on line to people far away - seems like a lot of> work.? Have to pack stuff up, haul it off to the shipping store, freak> out at how much they charge, worry about parts swappers.... Maybe I'll> just wait till the swap meet starts up again in 2022.>>??????????????????? - Jerry KF6VB>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-10-29 22:45, Larry Shapiro wrote:> > When I first started listing items on QRZ, I was told by a handful of> > guys to always put this in my listings.> > I asked why,and was told that it happens too frequently.> > I started to add the parts swappers line to my listings.> > I have not had any issues,other than one buyer who> > was a real pain.> > After reading this this thread,I have decided not to do this anymore.> > In my 33 years as a Ham,I have had 99% great experiences with other> > Hams.> > Thanks,> > Larry k6ro> >> > -----Original Message----- From: Anthony Wanschura> > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 6:30 AM> > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net> > Subject: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"> >> > Hi all,> >> > I've seen a few K3 For Sale ads that mention "parts swappers". Has this> > really been an issue?> >> > It makes me hesitate to put my K3 up for sale.> >> > 73,> > Tony?? KM0O> > ______________________________________________________________> > Elecraft mailing list> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> > Message delivered to lashap at cox.net> ______________________________________________________________> Elecraft mailing list> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> Message delivered to ke8g.jim at gmail.com>______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to turnbull at net1.ie 

From lmecseri at cfl.rr.com  Sat Oct 30 18:06:55 2021
From: lmecseri at cfl.rr.com (Lou Mecseri)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 22:06:55 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"
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I am in a loosely similar situation.

I have a neighbor, who is a HAM and he will be in charge to de-comission 
my modest K-line station.

I am looking into the possibility to donate the station to the local 
high school under his supervision.

Thank you guys for making me to think and consider options about this 
subject of dispensing valuable radio stuff in a socially beneficial manner.

73, Lou KE1F (85 years old HAM)

On 10/30/2021 21:18, turnbull wrote:
> Jerry,? ? Why not consider looking for some schools, colleges, scout troops to pass some of the radios on to.? ? Possibly ARRL, local clubs or the Northern California Dx Association? might make some suggestions to think about.? ?The hobby has been good to us.? ? ?I too am not keen on selling radio gear.? ?It is nice to be in such a situation.? ? Please forgive my gall for broaching this.? ?We all rightly have different circumstances and viewpoints.? ? 73 Doug EI2CNSent from my Galaxy
> -------- Original message --------From: KE8G <ke8g.jim at gmail.com> Date: 30/10/2021  22:04  (GMT+00:00) To: jerry <jerry at tr2.com> Cc: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>, Anthony Wanschura <ajwanschura at gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing" I think it was started some years back and folks seem to think they need toadd it to their sales ad.Personally, if I am looking for a piece of equipment and I see this littlephrase added to the blurb, I ignore it.? My feeling is that if the sellingperson is saying he doesn't trust someone, then how can he be trusted?!?As others have said, it's a copout way of saying the seller doesn't want tobe bothered with returns.YMMV.73 de Jim - KE8GOn Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 3:17 PM jerry <jerry at tr2.com> wrote:> This is of real concern to me.? I have an accumulation of ham equipment,> and> probably need to start moving some of it out - to make room in my life> for more ham equipment :).>> It's not that I need the money... got plenty of that.? I could keep> buying equipment the rest of my life? and sluff off the selling job to> my heirs :).? But that would be dumb.? What's the use of having all this> nice stuff in the closet?>>??? At the moment there's a pair of K2's - one 100W and one 10W.? An> IC706MKII with very low hours.? A Kenwood TS590S.? A 30L-1.? A> collection of Sideband Engineers SB34 transceivers.? A QRP-labs QCX+ &> matching 50W amp.? A small collection of ARC-5 transmitters & receivers.>?? A Ubitx transceiver.? A couple of old sweep tube linears.? 3 or 4 (> think there's 4, but haven't seen the fourth one in a while ) TV7D/U> tube testers - my goodness, has anybody seen what those things are going> for on Ebay?? Also, I expect my Alpha 78 to become surplus some time> next year.>>??? In the past, there was a ham radio swap meet in Silicon Valley.> That's gone for the moment due to COVID.? Even the venue ( Fry's> Electroncs ) is gone.? I've been going to this thing since the early> 70's.? I would mostly buy, but also sold.? I've been there as early as> 4:30 in the morning... but I have never been first.> Fond memories... There was that Swan 500 that I scored for $100 at 6:00> in the morning.>> In the 80's, I was getting fairly prosperous, and I started buying all> the stuff I had drooled over as a starving student in the 70's.? A Drake> TR4...?? A Collins R390A ( $100 ).? A Galaxy 5 in brand new condition> with the packing tape still on the tubes...>> Mostly, I sold it back a few months later at the same swap meet.> Storage space was always an issue.? I used to joke that the most> valuable thing that traded places at the swap was not the stuff... or> the money.. but rather Silicon Valley real estate; storage space in> people's attics and garages.? I developed an rule:? I would buy nothing> that would not fit in a backpack.>> The flea market was more than a sales venue - it was a community.? I> would see familiar> people there.? There was the soldering iron guy... the cables &> connectors family that came up from LA;? Rik the cheap Chinese tools guy> who also had supermagnets.? Mark the> CTO of Netgear, who would come up in his old VW microbus and sell> detritus from his lab.> He was an excellent source of wall warts.>>??? At the flea market, what you see is what you get.? Does it work?? Show> me.? You could> get a feel for the guy behind the table, person to person.>>??? Anyway... selling on line to people far away - seems like a lot of> work.? Have to pack stuff up, haul it off to the shipping store, freak> out at how much they charge, worry about parts swappers.... Maybe I'll> just wait till the swap meet starts up again in 2022.>>??????????????????? - Jerry KF6VB>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-10-29 22:45, Larry Shapiro wrote:> > When I first started listing items on QRZ, I was told by a handful of> > guys to always put this in my listings.> > I asked why,and was told that it happens too frequently.> > I started to add the parts swappers line to my listings.> > I have not had any issues,other than one buyer who> > was a real pain.> > After reading this this thread,I have decided not to do this anymore.> > In my 33 years as a Ham,I have had 99% great experiences with other> > Hams.> > Thanks,> > Larry k6ro> >> > -----Original Message----- From: Anthony Wanschura> > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 6:30 AM> > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net> > Subject: [Elecraft] Parts swappers -- is this a real "thing"> >> > Hi all,> >> > I've seen a few K3 For Sale ads that mention "parts swappers". Has this> > really been an issue?> >> > It makes me hesitate to put my K3 up for sale.> >> > 73,> > Tony?? 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From edauer at aya.yale.edu  Sat Oct 30 19:01:14 2021
From: edauer at aya.yale.edu (edauer at aya.yale.edu)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 17:01:14 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts Swappers
Message-ID: <000701d7cde2$0a963c80$1fc2b580$@aya.yale.edu>

>From a seller's point of view, would it work to ship the gear with some
unique sort of tape spanning the seams, and saying to the buyers that
anything opened can't be returned?

Ted, KN1CBR  


From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sat Oct 30 19:25:33 2021
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Ed Cole)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 15:25:33 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] feeding a half-wave dipole with ladder line
Message-ID: <1b511676-62d9-1ef6-12d0-6e8bae3c4592@acsalaska.net>

Bob,

Either you did not read what I wrote carefully enough, or I did a poor 
job of explaining.

First off:  I an not a HF DX chaser or HF Contest junkie.  HF is a very 
occasional activity when I want a casual chat or check in a local net.
Thus a compromise antenna for the "low bands".

The existing 80/40m dipole is a fan dipole with 80 and 40m wires.  I 
plan the new setup  to run 40m at right angles for less interaction 
between them (been there done it experience).

If all I wanted to do is 80/40 I would install the existing 1:1 balun at 
the feed and run coax to it.

But I was thinking I could use window wire (commercially made) instead 
of the 12-inch parallel wires I show in the diagram.  Whatever its 
impedance (probably like 300-ohm or 450).

By shorting the ladder line I could feed the antennas as a shortened 
vertical on either 160m or 630m where the dipole wire would add 
"top-hat" loading.  Similar to how the horizontal wire in an inverted-L 
works.

I already have my 630m loading coil to use at the base; adding a tap it 
could work at 160m.

I have vacuum relays to do the shorting.  And yes there will be radials 
that are too short on 630m (1/4 wave is 522 feet and my property is 200x 
300 foot).

My question regarded choosing a proper balun to use on 80 & 40m. 
Running 140 foot of ladder wire on diagonal to the shack defeats using 
it as a vertical.  Ideal would be a QRO ATU at the ground-end of the 
vertical wires (but I'm too cheap for that).  I have a QRO Drake Tuner 
to do the job at the shack.  I'll try out my 1:1 balun.


73, Ed - KL7UW

Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 18:48:36 -0500
From: Bob McGraw <rmcgraw at benlomand.net>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] feeding a half-wave dipole with ladder line
Message-ID: <8431998e-509b-9164-368a-1985394d87f6 at benlomand.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

Remember that you are not matching the impedance of the ladder line, but
more so, matching the impedance of the antenna.?? The reason for ladder
line is the low loss property even with high SWR on the line.??? A good
quality 1:1 balun is preferred.?? See https://www.dj0ip.de/balun-stuff/

I've been using balanced fed antennas since 1960.?? I bring the balanced
line all the way to the tuner in the shack where it meets up with my
custom Guanella balun.? Regarding balanced fed antennas, they work, they
are easy to use, easy easy to keep in the air and DO NOT have TVI or RF
issues in the shack.?? Most of the information you hear is related to?
"old ham lore" and is not valid in any sense of the imagination.

Yes, the 130 ft center fed length will be very difficult to match on 40M
as the feed Z will be very high, in the order of 4K ohms, and not likely
in the range of your tuner.?? I suggest you add a 33 ft section of wire
to either side at the feed point. ? Thus a 80/40M antenna. ? Then you
will be able to work 80M, 40M, 20M, 15M, and 10M with that antenna
configuration.?? Mine does!? Works great.

If you want it to work 160M then it needs to be 256 ft in length.??
Although you might get a reasonable match on 160M with the 130 ft center
fed wire.?? It will depend somewhat on the feed line length acting as a
line section transformer.

As to 630M, that is a different animal and needs special attention.? I'd
suggest tying the feeders together and uss the antenna as a top loaded
vertical.

73

Bob, K4TAX

From dick.bingham at gmail.com  Sat Oct 30 19:37:58 2021
From: dick.bingham at gmail.com (Dick Bingham)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 16:37:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Feeding a Half-Wave Dipole Topic
Message-ID: <CAMX=kLnVVMahtmcr=Os=fArM=j_1aLM+pf7-dvD_6zVzKLP3iQ@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings All

Check out this antenna suggested by K2KQ ===>

*https://www.yccc.org/Articles/double_l.htm
<https://www.yccc.org/Articles/double_l.htm>*

I fabricated two of these antennas - a 160/80 and 40/30 meter combos. I use
spreaders spaced every five feet to prevent wire twisting issues.

I chose to feed these antennas by replacing one of the two parallel
wires connected to the lower pair of horizontal wires with a coax cable. I
use
50-ohm 1/8th inch diameter coax whose physical length is the same as the
straight wire.

At the antenna feed point the shield of the coax connects to the straight
wire
feeding the bottom wire and the center conductor connects to *BOTH* upper
parallel wires.

At the bottom of the 50-ohm coax, the shield connects to the second bottom
wire.
The center conductor will be addressed below.

Now fabricate a Common-Mode choke at the end of the RX/TX feedline and leave
a 12-inch pigtail beyond the C-M choke. Connect the Pigtail shield to the
junction
of the 50-ohm coax/lower wire connection.

Connect the pigtail center conductor to the center conductor of the 50-ohm
coax
mentioned above. Adjust your wire horizontal lengths to achieve resonance
at the
frequency of interest. An antenna analyzer like the *RigExpert AA170 *will
allow
you to quickly tune these antennas.

Works well for me at CN98pi

73  Dick/w7wkr

From johnae5x at gmail.com  Sat Oct 30 19:47:13 2021
From: johnae5x at gmail.com (John Harper)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 18:47:13 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft]  feeding a half-wave dipole with ladder line
Message-ID: <CAPHmH=N=0J2HbsMMLq8eLgnWTwpLducs6aOjSo46qnvThC+JaQ@mail.gmail.com>

>Multiband setups like you describe are for when you're limited in what
>you can put up


As many/most are.


>Multiband DXCC is NOT a measure of antenna performance

Au contraire, it's one measure.

John AE5X
https://ae5x.blogspot.com

From jackbrindle at me.com  Sat Oct 30 20:53:59 2021
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 19:53:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] feeding a half-wave dipole with ladder line
In-Reply-To: <1b511676-62d9-1ef6-12d0-6e8bae3c4592@acsalaska.net>
References: <1b511676-62d9-1ef6-12d0-6e8bae3c4592@acsalaska.net>
Message-ID: <219A6C89-FB90-4A57-95DF-12F52FCC55CB@me.com>

Ed;

Bob?s advice is still sound. The ladder or open-wire line is quite simply, a transmission line. As all transmission lines, it will transform the impedance it sees at the antenna end to some other value at the tx end. The transformation will be highly dependent on frequency, length and line characteristics. The advantage of open-wire (my favorite) is that because the loss is so low, you don?t care that much about the length or the actual transformation. Like Bob, I also use a 1:1 balun and let the ATU perform the necessary matching. The impedance of the open-wire line really doesn?t matter in the situation as far as baluns are concerned. 

I also have several other tuners, including an old swinging-link type I build many years ago that actually does a better job of matching. It, of course does not need a balun. Unfortunately my manual tuning cannot come close to the time my KAT500 takes to perform the auto tune, especially if I train it ahead of time.

One other thing I would add. I don?t really try to cut my open wire or ladder line fed wire antennas to any specific length, but rather cut them for whatever space I have and let the ATU handle the matching. In fact that is the approach I will be taking tomorrow as I put up antennas at my new QTH here in Louisiana. Getting ready for CW Sweepstakes, but the tower and beams will have to wait for next year...

73,
Jack, W6FB

> On Oct 30, 2021, at 6:25 PM, Ed Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net> wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> 
> Either you did not read what I wrote carefully enough, or I did a poor job of explaining.
> 
> First off:  I an not a HF DX chaser or HF Contest junkie.  HF is a very occasional activity when I want a casual chat or check in a local net.
> Thus a compromise antenna for the "low bands".
> 
> The existing 80/40m dipole is a fan dipole with 80 and 40m wires.  I plan the new setup  to run 40m at right angles for less interaction between them (been there done it experience).
> 
> If all I wanted to do is 80/40 I would install the existing 1:1 balun at the feed and run coax to it.
> 
> But I was thinking I could use window wire (commercially made) instead of the 12-inch parallel wires I show in the diagram.  Whatever its impedance (probably like 300-ohm or 450).
> 
> By shorting the ladder line I could feed the antennas as a shortened vertical on either 160m or 630m where the dipole wire would add "top-hat" loading.  Similar to how the horizontal wire in an inverted-L works.
> 
> I already have my 630m loading coil to use at the base; adding a tap it could work at 160m.
> 
> I have vacuum relays to do the shorting.  And yes there will be radials that are too short on 630m (1/4 wave is 522 feet and my property is 200x 300 foot).
> 
> My question regarded choosing a proper balun to use on 80 & 40m. Running 140 foot of ladder wire on diagonal to the shack defeats using it as a vertical.  Ideal would be a QRO ATU at the ground-end of the vertical wires (but I'm too cheap for that).  I have a QRO Drake Tuner to do the job at the shack.  I'll try out my 1:1 balun.
> 
> 
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> 
> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 18:48:36 -0500
> From: Bob McGraw <rmcgraw at benlomand.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] feeding a half-wave dipole with ladder line
> Message-ID: <8431998e-509b-9164-368a-1985394d87f6 at benlomand.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> 
> Remember that you are not matching the impedance of the ladder line, but
> more so, matching the impedance of the antenna.?? The reason for ladder
> line is the low loss property even with high SWR on the line.??? A good
> quality 1:1 balun is preferred.?? See https://www.dj0ip.de/balun-stuff/
> 
> I've been using balanced fed antennas since 1960.?? I bring the balanced
> line all the way to the tuner in the shack where it meets up with my
> custom Guanella balun.? Regarding balanced fed antennas, they work, they
> are easy to use, easy easy to keep in the air and DO NOT have TVI or RF
> issues in the shack.?? Most of the information you hear is related to?
> "old ham lore" and is not valid in any sense of the imagination.
> 
> Yes, the 130 ft center fed length will be very difficult to match on 40M
> as the feed Z will be very high, in the order of 4K ohms, and not likely
> in the range of your tuner.?? I suggest you add a 33 ft section of wire
> to either side at the feed point. ? Thus a 80/40M antenna. ? Then you
> will be able to work 80M, 40M, 20M, 15M, and 10M with that antenna
> configuration.?? Mine does!? Works great.
> 
> If you want it to work 160M then it needs to be 256 ft in length.??
> Although you might get a reasonable match on 160M with the 130 ft center
> fed wire.?? It will depend somewhat on the feed line length acting as a
> line section transformer.
> 
> As to 630M, that is a different animal and needs special attention.? I'd
> suggest tying the feeders together and uss the antenna as a top loaded
> vertical.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
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From rmcgraw at benlomand.net  Sat Oct 30 21:08:51 2021
From: rmcgraw at benlomand.net (Bob McGraw)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 20:08:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] center fed dipole
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3399.1635631630.9846.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.3399.1635631630.9846.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
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I don't understand the use of the 4:1 balun.? On 80M the feed Z of that 
antenna is more likely 25 to 50 ohms.? The 4:1 balun would present a 
impedance to the RG-213 of 6.5 to 12.5 ohms.? You would be much better 
with a 1:1 balun configuration.? Remember one is not matching the feed 
line impedance but is matching the antenna impedance.

The ideal use of a 4:1 balun is with a folded dipole antenna which 
presents a 200 to 300 ohm impedance.? Now the feed line Z is much closer 
matched and the 4:1 balun gets the Z to the coax in the 50 to 75 ohm 
range.? Much more efficient.? This of course is a single band antenna.

See https://www.dj0ip.de/balun-stuff/? for good, accurate, and reliable 
information on baluns and their usage.? Most hams have it wrong as well 
as most manufactures of antenna tuners who include a 4:1 balun.

73

Bob, K4TAX



On 10/30/2021 5:07 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 18:25:44 -0700 (PDT)
> From: MIKE ZANE<n6zw at comcast.net>
> To:"Elecraft at mailman.qth.net"  <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] center fed dipole
> Message-ID:<1705203692.528740.1635557144218 at connect.xfinity.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> I have no problem with a 130 ft dipole fed with 25 feet of 450 ohm ladder (window) line to a 4:1 4K balun with 15 feet of RG-213 to my MFJ 989C tuner. I have run from 5w to 1 KW with it....no problems at all.  n6zw


From P.Hall at curtin.edu.au  Sat Oct 30 21:23:27 2021
From: P.Hall at curtin.edu.au (Peter Hall)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 01:23:27 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] feeding a half-wave dipole with ladder line
In-Reply-To: <1b511676-62d9-1ef6-12d0-6e8bae3c4592@acsalaska.net>
References: <1b511676-62d9-1ef6-12d0-6e8bae3c4592@acsalaska.net>
Message-ID: <MEAPR01MB2440BB3E202FF9AF95AEDEDDDA899@MEAPR01MB2440.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>

Ed,

I missed your initial posting but just FYI I do something similar to what you describe.  I re-purpose a ZS6BKW HF doublet several ways, using vacuum relay switching, to give (1) a 160 m base loaded vertical using a rudimentary elevated counterpoise and (2) a 630 m Marconi T fed against "real" ground.  At the lower frequencies the 450 ohm ladder line (which normally forms the matching section for the ZS6BKW) becomes a top-loaded radiator (being shorted to form a single conductor), with additional base loading via separate homebrew couplers for 160 m and 630 m.

In doublet mode the impedance at the bottom of the ZS6BKW matching section is 50 ohm, so I use a quality 1:1 current balun with an RG213 coax feeder to the shack.  If you use a different doublet and vertical ladder line lengths you can calculate the impedance at the base of the ladder line and choose the best balun for the job.  

My setup is very much a compromise on a suburban block but does allow decent 630 m operation, along with HF capability.

73, Peter.



-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Ed Cole
Sent: Sunday, 31 October 2021 7:26 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] feeding a half-wave dipole with ladder line

Bob,

Either you did not read what I wrote carefully enough, or I did a poor job of explaining.

First off:  I an not a HF DX chaser or HF Contest junkie.  HF is a very occasional activity when I want a casual chat or check in a local net.
Thus a compromise antenna for the "low bands".

The existing 80/40m dipole is a fan dipole with 80 and 40m wires.  I plan the new setup  to run 40m at right angles for less interaction between them (been there done it experience).

If all I wanted to do is 80/40 I would install the existing 1:1 balun at the feed and run coax to it.

But I was thinking I could use window wire (commercially made) instead of the 12-inch parallel wires I show in the diagram.  Whatever its impedance (probably like 300-ohm or 450).

By shorting the ladder line I could feed the antennas as a shortened vertical on either 160m or 630m where the dipole wire would add "top-hat" loading.  Similar to how the horizontal wire in an inverted-L works.

I already have my 630m loading coil to use at the base; adding a tap it could work at 160m.

I have vacuum relays to do the shorting.  And yes there will be radials that are too short on 630m (1/4 wave is 522 feet and my property is 200x
300 foot).

My question regarded choosing a proper balun to use on 80 & 40m. 
Running 140 foot of ladder wire on diagonal to the shack defeats using it as a vertical.  Ideal would be a QRO ATU at the ground-end of the vertical wires (but I'm too cheap for that).  I have a QRO Drake Tuner to do the job at the shack.  I'll try out my 1:1 balun.


73, Ed - KL7UW



From kevinr at coho.net  Sat Oct 30 21:33:05 2021
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevin)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 18:33:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <e004851c-27c1-ae2d-3409-663e704b7425@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? Friday the week long foggy cocoon broke open.? Shadows started to 
form, then the birds came out.? They favored a finely seeded bush 
outside my window.? The normal flock of Oregon juncos was preceded by 
another, smaller bird.? Mostly too quick to follow she paused in a beam 
of light.? I got one field mark in that snapshot.? But her behavior and 
size gave me a hint.? A female Golden-Crowned kinglet is now in my log.

 ? Our sun has awakened.? A number of sunspot groups are sending flares 
in multiple directions.? One of those hit earth today.? I checked twenty 
meters and found DX stations booming in.? The band wasn't noisy, I had 
expected a steady hiss.? Hopefully it will be clear tonight because 
Oregon may get some aurora.? My native Wisconsin is much closer to the 
magnetic pole, aurora were fairly common.


Please join us on (or near):

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 ? 7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

 ?? 73,
 ????? Kevin. KD5ONS



-




There's something happening here
But what it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
A-telling me I got to beware

There's battle lines being drawn
And nobody's right if everybody's wrong


From radioham at mchsi.com  Sat Oct 30 22:49:37 2021
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 21:49:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] what soundcard for K3 and Mac
Message-ID: <23F344F3-3BC4-41D8-9FD3-E1375F84FE4C@mchsi.com>

Yes this has been bead to death previously. Jim Brown made a number of suggestions in a paper from 2014.  However the market has changed.  Those models are all discontinued and those manufacturers' follow ons are much more expensive and have features that are not needed for sound card modes.  Any offerings of these older models seem to be coming from overseas.  The $100 and under market seems to be dominated by mystery brand dongles which are a gamble.

So can any one recommend a tried and true sound card interface for use between an K3 (without a sound card) and a MacBook Pro (which has no mike or line in jack)?  I would like to hear from people who have actually the unit, not just speculation.

David K0LUM

From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Sat Oct 30 22:59:16 2021
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 22:59:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] what soundcard for K3 and Mac
In-Reply-To: <23F344F3-3BC4-41D8-9FD3-E1375F84FE4C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-E763510C23AE4FA1A6B57FA0426B2511@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

On 10/30/21 at 10:49 PM, radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ) wrote:

>So can any one recommend a tried and true sound card interface 
>for use between an K3 (without a sound card) and a MacBook Pro 
>(which has no mike or line in jack)?  I would like to hear from 
>people who have actually the unit, not just speculation.

I have been quite successful with both a SignaLink and with a 
no-name "sound card" that I got for $5 from Amazon. We're not 
talking about serious HiFi here. Almost anything with reasonably 
low distortion should work fine.

73 Bill AE6JV

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refer to
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From john at kk9a.com  Sat Oct 30 23:06:44 2021
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 23:06:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use with
	the K4
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR17MB2063198ADA616FF2E06AC3D19A879@SN6PR17MB2063.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
References: <004901d7cc72$20e055f0$62a101d0$@com>	<2f63e566-55b9-7dba-cf05-badab57b96ce@gmail.com>
	<CAOmNKGJnbR9RcZz57aAGDBWY-FRuAL2NTmoZHTsLXdmeNijfaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<SN6PR17MB2063198ADA616FF2E06AC3D19A879@SN6PR17MB2063.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <000001d7ce04$562cda10$02868e30$@com>

I was just on 40m and my K-Pod VFO is definitely 1/2 the rate of my K3S's VFO. 

John KK9A

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim McDonald [mailto:jim at n7us.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 7:19 PM
To: Bob Wilson, N6TV; john at kk9a.com; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use with the K4

My K-Pod tune at half the rate of the K3S at all three VFO CTS settings.

If Elecraft could do it, I'd like for the K3/K3S F/W to provide the option for the K-Pod to tune at the same rate.

73,  Jim N7US

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Bob Wilson, N6TV
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 16:59
To: john at kk9a.com; Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use with the K4

In the K3, if you change *CONFIG:VFO CTS*, the VFO frequency moves faster at 400 than at 100 (counts per turn), but the K-POD always tunes at 100 or
200 counts per turn (can't remember which).  The K-POD ignores the VFO CTS setting on a K3.

In the K4, the equivalent setting is *MENU:VFO Counts per Turn*, and *both* the VFO knob and the K-POD tuning rates are affected equally.

Just spin one knob exactly one full 360? turn clockwise, then spin the other knob full turn counterclockwise.  If you don't end up back on the frequency where you started, it means the tuning rates are not the same.

73,
Bob, N6TV


On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 11:25 AM Fred <k6dgwnv at gmail.com> wrote:

> "... except for the slow tuning." ????  I must be missing something.  
> My K-Pod tunes at the same rate as the K3. I have one of the K-Pod 
> buttons emulating the FINE/COARSE button on the radio ... use it all the time.
> Maybe the rates I have my K3 configured for just happen to match the 
> encoder in the K-Pod?
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> john at kk9a.com wrote on 10/28/2021 8:07 PM:
> > I really like the K-POD, except for the slow tuning. Too bad that 
> > the K3 firmware "cannot" reprogram it.
> >
> > John KK9A
> >
> >
> > Bob Wilson, N6TV wrote:
> >
> > Yes, this only works with the K4.  The K3 firmware cannot reprogram 
> > the K-POD encoder to match the K3's tuning rate.
> >
> > 73,
> > Bob, N6TV
> >
> >


From n6tv at arrl.net  Sat Oct 30 23:22:05 2021
From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 20:22:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use with
 the K4
In-Reply-To: <000001d7ce04$562cda10$02868e30$@com>
References: <004901d7cc72$20e055f0$62a101d0$@com>
	<2f63e566-55b9-7dba-cf05-badab57b96ce@gmail.com>
	<CAOmNKGJnbR9RcZz57aAGDBWY-FRuAL2NTmoZHTsLXdmeNijfaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<SN6PR17MB2063198ADA616FF2E06AC3D19A879@SN6PR17MB2063.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
	<000001d7ce04$562cda10$02868e30$@com>
Message-ID: <CAOmNKG+uKD5z58f=NBsitrrR_jnjM0_4heibPKGDABaNEkGMPQ@mail.gmail.com>

What is *CONFIG:VFO CTS* set to?  Did you try changing it?

73,
Bob, N6TV

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 8:06 PM <john at kk9a.com> wrote:

> I was just on 40m and my K-Pod VFO is definitely 1/2 the rate of my K3S's
> VFO.
>
> John KK9A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim McDonald [mailto:jim at n7us.net]
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 7:19 PM
> To: Bob Wilson, N6TV; john at kk9a.com; Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use
> with the K4
>
> My K-Pod tune at half the rate of the K3S at all three VFO CTS settings.
>
> If Elecraft could do it, I'd like for the K3/K3S F/W to provide the option
> for the K-Pod to tune at the same rate.
>
> 73,  Jim N7US
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> On Behalf Of Bob Wilson, N6TV
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 16:59
> To: john at kk9a.com; Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use
> with the K4
>
> In the K3, if you change *CONFIG:VFO CTS*, the VFO frequency moves faster
> at 400 than at 100 (counts per turn), but the K-POD always tunes at 100 or
> 200 counts per turn (can't remember which).  The K-POD ignores the VFO CTS
> setting on a K3.
>
> In the K4, the equivalent setting is *MENU:VFO Counts per Turn*, and
> *both* the VFO knob and the K-POD tuning rates are affected equally.
>
> Just spin one knob exactly one full 360? turn clockwise, then spin the
> other knob full turn counterclockwise.  If you don't end up back on the
> frequency where you started, it means the tuning rates are not the same.
>
> 73,
> Bob, N6TV
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 11:25 AM Fred <k6dgwnv at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "... except for the slow tuning." ????  I must be missing something.
> > My K-Pod tunes at the same rate as the K3. I have one of the K-Pod
> > buttons emulating the FINE/COARSE button on the radio ... use it all the
> time.
> > Maybe the rates I have my K3 configured for just happen to match the
> > encoder in the K-Pod?
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> > Sparks NV DM09dn
> > Washoe County
> >
> > john at kk9a.com wrote on 10/28/2021 8:07 PM:
> > > I really like the K-POD, except for the slow tuning. Too bad that
> > > the K3 firmware "cannot" reprogram it.
> > >
> > > John KK9A
> > >
> > >
> > > Bob Wilson, N6TV wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, this only works with the K4.  The K3 firmware cannot reprogram
> > > the K-POD encoder to match the K3's tuning rate.
> > >
> > > 73,
> > > Bob, N6TV
> > >
> > >
>
>

From jim at n7us.net  Sat Oct 30 23:26:28 2021
From: jim at n7us.net (Jim McDonald)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 03:26:28 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use with
 the K4
In-Reply-To: <CAOmNKG+uKD5z58f=NBsitrrR_jnjM0_4heibPKGDABaNEkGMPQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004901d7cc72$20e055f0$62a101d0$@com>
	<2f63e566-55b9-7dba-cf05-badab57b96ce@gmail.com>
	<CAOmNKGJnbR9RcZz57aAGDBWY-FRuAL2NTmoZHTsLXdmeNijfaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<SN6PR17MB2063198ADA616FF2E06AC3D19A879@SN6PR17MB2063.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
	<000001d7ce04$562cda10$02868e30$@com>
	<CAOmNKG+uKD5z58f=NBsitrrR_jnjM0_4heibPKGDABaNEkGMPQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SN6PR17MB206378A46CC84603DB5188719A899@SN6PR17MB2063.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

I have tried all three settings ? 100, 200, and 400.  The K-Pod tuning rate is half the rate of the K3/K3S.

73,  Jim N7US

From: Bob Wilson, N6TV <n6tv at arrl.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2021 22:22
To: john at kk9a.com
Cc: Jim McDonald <jim at n7us.net>; Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use with the K4

What is CONFIG:VFO CTS set to?  Did you try changing it?
73,
Bob, N6TV

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 8:06 PM <john at kk9a.com<mailto:john at kk9a.com>> wrote:
I was just on 40m and my K-Pod VFO is definitely 1/2 the rate of my K3S's VFO.

John KK9A

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim McDonald [mailto:jim at n7us.net<mailto:jim at n7us.net>]
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 7:19 PM
To: Bob Wilson, N6TV; john at kk9a.com<mailto:john at kk9a.com>; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use with the K4

My K-Pod tune at half the rate of the K3S at all three VFO CTS settings.

If Elecraft could do it, I'd like for the K3/K3S F/W to provide the option for the K-Pod to tune at the same rate.

73,  Jim N7US

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>> On Behalf Of Bob Wilson, N6TV
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 16:59
To: john at kk9a.com<mailto:john at kk9a.com>; Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use with the K4

In the K3, if you change *CONFIG:VFO CTS*, the VFO frequency moves faster at 400 than at 100 (counts per turn), but the K-POD always tunes at 100 or
200 counts per turn (can't remember which).  The K-POD ignores the VFO CTS setting on a K3.

In the K4, the equivalent setting is *MENU:VFO Counts per Turn*, and *both* the VFO knob and the K-POD tuning rates are affected equally.

Just spin one knob exactly one full 360? turn clockwise, then spin the other knob full turn counterclockwise.  If you don't end up back on the frequency where you started, it means the tuning rates are not the same.

73,
Bob, N6TV


On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 11:25 AM Fred <k6dgwnv at gmail.com<mailto:k6dgwnv at gmail.com>> wrote:

> "... except for the slow tuning." ????  I must be missing something.
> My K-Pod tunes at the same rate as the K3. I have one of the K-Pod
> buttons emulating the FINE/COARSE button on the radio ... use it all the time.
> Maybe the rates I have my K3 configured for just happen to match the
> encoder in the K-Pod?
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> john at kk9a.com<mailto:john at kk9a.com> wrote on 10/28/2021 8:07 PM:
> > I really like the K-POD, except for the slow tuning. Too bad that
> > the K3 firmware "cannot" reprogram it.
> >
> > John KK9A
> >
> >
> > Bob Wilson, N6TV wrote:
> >
> > Yes, this only works with the K4.  The K3 firmware cannot reprogram
> > the K-POD encoder to match the K3's tuning rate.
> >
> > 73,
> > Bob, N6TV
> >
> >

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Oct 30 23:29:24 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 20:29:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] what soundcard for K3 and Mac
In-Reply-To: <23F344F3-3BC4-41D8-9FD3-E1375F84FE4C@mchsi.com>
References: <23F344F3-3BC4-41D8-9FD3-E1375F84FE4C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <2d6759b9-83db-2b97-27cf-c24a75a06ec8@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/30/2021 7:49 PM, David Christ wrote:
> Jim Brown made a number of suggestions in a paper from 2014.  However the market has changed.  Those models are all discontinued and those manufacturers' follow ons are much more expensive and have features that are not needed for sound card modes.

Yes. I would feel comfortable buying a used Tascam US100 from an eBay 
vendor with > 99% positive ratings. N8LP found some very nice ASUS 
products for use with his spectrum display system, the U5 and U7, and I 
updated that app note to include them. Both sold for less than $80 at 
the time, but both are considerably more expensive now. AG6EE uses one 
of them with a KX3 for his extensive and demanding 6M expeditions.

73, Jim K9YC

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Oct 30 23:33:13 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 20:33:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Feeding a Half-Wave Dipole Topic
In-Reply-To: <CAMX=kLnVVMahtmcr=Os=fArM=j_1aLM+pf7-dvD_6zVzKLP3iQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMX=kLnVVMahtmcr=Os=fArM=j_1aLM+pf7-dvD_6zVzKLP3iQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a2cf0532-0e19-cb35-55e3-c7048b7f4458@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/30/2021 4:37 PM, Dick Bingham wrote:
> Check out this antenna suggested by K2KQ ===>
> 
> *https://www.yccc.org/Articles/double_l.htm

That's an interesting concept, and I'm not at all surprised that it can 
work quite well -- IF local soil conductivity is good. But vertically 
polarized antennas experience ground loss in the far field if soil 
conductivity is poor. Note that this loss is NOT from the soil under 
radials.

Here two other takes on things we can build. Both are single-band, 
center-fed resonant dipoles.

http://k9yc.com/VerticalDipole.pdf
http://k9yc.com/80M-FDVertical.pdf

The Cushcraft R-series, HyGain AV-series, and Gap Titan multi-band 
verticals are  dipoles with a combination of loading and matching networks.

When N6BT owned Force 12 and was the design engineer, he designed 
several loaded vertical dipoles, and he's still designing and building 
vertical dipoles doing biz as Next Generation Antennas. Tom is an 
excellent designer.

https://nextgenerationantennas.com/bravo-vertical-antennas

None of these antennas need or benefit from radials. All need good soil 
conductivity to be very effective.

73, Jim K9YC



From n8vz at qth.com  Sun Oct 31 00:24:01 2021
From: n8vz at qth.com (=?utf-8?Q?Carl_J=C3=B3n_Denbow?=)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 00:24:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts Swappers
In-Reply-To: <000701d7cde2$0a963c80$1fc2b580$@aya.yale.edu>
References: <000701d7cde2$0a963c80$1fc2b580$@aya.yale.edu>
Message-ID: <4952E68F-AAE0-4672-BC36-70BF8F382145@qth.com>

If this was a big problem that would be prudent, but it?s not.  I?ve never had a problem of this sort in years of online trading, selling and buying ham gear.  Others on here have said the same thing.  This is a solution in search of a problem, IMHO.  ? 73 de Carl


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IRLP 4533   Echolink 116070

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=======================

> On Oct 30, 2021, at 7:03 PM, edauer at aya.yale.edu wrote:
> 
> ?From a seller's point of view, would it work to ship the gear with some
> unique sort of tape spanning the seams, and saying to the buyers that
> anything opened can't be returned?
> 
> Ted, KN1CBR  
> 
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From carl at n8vz.com  Sun Oct 31 00:26:18 2021
From: carl at n8vz.com (=?utf-8?Q?Carl_J=C3=B3n_Denbow?=)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 00:26:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts Swappers
Message-ID: <FF01B4F7-F00D-4F8D-86BE-72CF57D126D2@n8vz.com>

?If this was a big problem that would be prudent, but it?s not.  I?ve never had a problem of this sort in years of online trading, selling and buying ham gear.  Others on here have said the same thing.  This is a solution in search of a problem, IMHO.  ? 73 de Carl


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> On Oct 30, 2021, at 7:03 PM, edauer at aya.yale.edu wrote:
> ?From a seller's point of view, would it work to ship the gear with some
> unique sort of tape spanning the seams, and saying to the buyers that
> anything opened can't be returned?
> 
> Ted, KN1CBR  
> 
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Oct 31 02:44:55 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 23:44:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] feeding a half-wave dipole with ladder line
In-Reply-To: <CAPHmH=N=0J2HbsMMLq8eLgnWTwpLducs6aOjSo46qnvThC+JaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPHmH=N=0J2HbsMMLq8eLgnWTwpLducs6aOjSo46qnvThC+JaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <123b4ec9-e57d-9af4-89aa-3d8b923e279e@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/30/2021 4:47 PM, John Harper wrote:
>> Multiband DXCC is NOT a measure of antenna performance
> Au contraire, it's one measure.

Many years ago, N6BT published a piece in QST describing how had worked 
DX on a light bulb. He had carefully decoupled it so that it was, 
indeed, the lightbulb doing the radiating. He included it in his very 
informative self-published "Array of Light." He did the experiment to 
demonstrate that "everything works," but some things work better than 
others.

73, Jim K9YC

From n0nb at n0nb.us  Sun Oct 31 07:07:38 2021
From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 06:07:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts Swappers
In-Reply-To: <4952E68F-AAE0-4672-BC36-70BF8F382145@qth.com>
References: <000701d7cde2$0a963c80$1fc2b580$@aya.yale.edu>
	<4952E68F-AAE0-4672-BC36-70BF8F382145@qth.com>
Message-ID: <20211031110738.gzikcmxv2ngtzckx@n0nb.us>

* On 2021 31 Oct 01:06 -0500, Carl J?n Denbow wrote:
> If this was a big problem that would be prudent, but it?s not.  I?ve
> never had a problem of this sort in years of online trading, selling
> and buying ham gear.  Others on here have said the same thing.  This
> is a solution in search of a problem, IMHO.  ? 73 de Carl

Nice to know that this is not as wide spread as some ads I've seen would
lead one to believe.

> > On Oct 30, 2021, at 7:03 PM, edauer at aya.yale.edu wrote:
> > 
> > From a seller's point of view, would it work to ship the gear with some
> > unique sort of tape spanning the seams, and saying to the buyers that
> > anything opened can't be returned?

The tape idea has another side to it, as a buyer I have a right to
inspect my purchase to assure that I received what I paid for.  An
unscrupulous seller could attempt to use this in various ways for their
own gain as well.

At some point there has to be a modicum of trust between the parties.
I've inquired about equipment in the past and sometimes there is just a
vibe that tells me to move on.  I've gotten some grief for doing so.  Oh
well.

73, Nate

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From rmcgraw at benlomand.net  Sat Oct 30 21:08:51 2021
From: rmcgraw at benlomand.net (Bob McGraw)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 20:08:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] center fed dipole
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3399.1635631630.9846.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.3399.1635631630.9846.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <bb94bec2-8f2e-6bfb-f5ff-9f350a4e4127@benlomand.net>

I don't understand the use of the 4:1 balun.? On 80M the feed Z of that 
antenna is more likely 25 to 50 ohms.? The 4:1 balun would present a 
impedance to the RG-213 of 6.5 to 12.5 ohms.? You would be much better 
with a 1:1 balun configuration.? Remember one is not matching the feed 
line impedance but is matching the antenna impedance.

The ideal use of a 4:1 balun is with a folded dipole antenna which 
presents a 200 to 300 ohm impedance.? Now the feed line Z is much closer 
matched and the 4:1 balun gets the Z to the coax in the 50 to 75 ohm 
range.? Much more efficient.? This of course is a single band antenna.

See https://www.dj0ip.de/balun-stuff/? for good, accurate, and reliable 
information on baluns and their usage.? Most hams have it wrong as well 
as most manufactures of antenna tuners who include a 4:1 balun.

73

Bob, K4TAX



On 10/30/2021 5:07 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 18:25:44 -0700 (PDT)
> From: MIKE ZANE<n6zw at comcast.net>
> To:"Elecraft at mailman.qth.net"  <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] center fed dipole
> Message-ID:<1705203692.528740.1635557144218 at connect.xfinity.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> I have no problem with a 130 ft dipole fed with 25 feet of 450 ohm ladder (window) line to a 4:1 4K balun with 15 feet of RG-213 to my MFJ 989C tuner. I have run from 5w to 1 KW with it....no problems at all.  n6zw


From lawresh at woh.rr.com  Sun Oct 31 10:41:10 2021
From: lawresh at woh.rr.com (SteveL)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 10:41:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] what soundcard for K3 and Mac
In-Reply-To: <23F344F3-3BC4-41D8-9FD3-E1375F84FE4C@mchsi.com>
References: <23F344F3-3BC4-41D8-9FD3-E1375F84FE4C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <AE149CB8-1BBB-435F-950A-CA12D3C76FD9@woh.rr.com>

Dave,
This interest caught my eye awhile back:

http://members.chello.at/oe1mww/sound-card-check/ <http://members.chello.at/oe1mww/sound-card-check/>

I?ve tested several of the inexpensive (<$10) nameless USB sound card dongles using his method and saw a wide variety of noise floors - however significantly higher than a name brand USB card.  After testing, I settled on a Sound BlasterX G5 model SB1700 which tested at about -120dB noise level.  How does this compare?  My nameless sound dongles noise level tested -70 to -90dB - a big difference.  

What I haven?t quite figured out is how important is this really is to weak signal digital decoding.  

Steve
aa8af 

> On Oct 30, 2021, at 10:49 PM, David Christ <radioham at mchsi.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes this has been bead to death previously. Jim Brown made a number of suggestions in a paper from 2014.  However the market has changed.  Those models are all discontinued and those manufacturers' follow ons are much more expensive and have features that are not needed for sound card modes.  Any offerings of these older models seem to be coming from overseas.  The $100 and under market seems to be dominated by mystery brand dongles which are a gamble.
> 
> So can any one recommend a tried and true sound card interface for use between an K3 (without a sound card) and a MacBook Pro (which has no mike or line in jack)?  I would like to hear from people who have actually the unit, not just speculation.
> 


From dave at nk7z.net  Sun Oct 31 11:28:14 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 08:28:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Parts Swappers
In-Reply-To: <20211031110738.gzikcmxv2ngtzckx@n0nb.us>
References: <000701d7cde2$0a963c80$1fc2b580$@aya.yale.edu>
	<4952E68F-AAE0-4672-BC36-70BF8F382145@qth.com>
	<20211031110738.gzikcmxv2ngtzckx@n0nb.us>
Message-ID: <a4ee9f5b-aa35-9de7-1582-dba9bc762294@nk7z.net>

It all boils down to trust...  You either trust your seller, or buyer, 
or you don't.

You take precautions, (take a reasonable number of them, not going 
overboard), and if you get burned you modify how you determine trust, or 
you take your chances again.

TANSTAAFL

There are no guarantees in life, save at some point you will reach your 
expire date, and will have had to pay the Government taxes...

On 10/31/21 4:07 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * On 2021 31 Oct 01:06 -0500, Carl J?n Denbow wrote:
>> If this was a big problem that would be prudent, but it?s not.  I?ve
>> never had a problem of this sort in years of online trading, selling
>> and buying ham gear.  Others on here have said the same thing.  This
>> is a solution in search of a problem, IMHO.  ? 73 de Carl
> 
> Nice to know that this is not as wide spread as some ads I've seen would
> lead one to believe.
> 
>>> On Oct 30, 2021, at 7:03 PM, edauer at aya.yale.edu wrote:
>>>
>>>  From a seller's point of view, would it work to ship the gear with some
>>> unique sort of tape spanning the seams, and saying to the buyers that
>>> anything opened can't be returned?
> 
> The tape idea has another side to it, as a buyer I have a right to
> inspect my purchase to assure that I received what I paid for.  An
> unscrupulous seller could attempt to use this in various ways for their
> own gain as well.
> 
> At some point there has to be a modicum of trust between the parties.
> I've inquired about equipment in the past and sometimes there is just a
> vibe that tells me to move on.  I've gotten some grief for doing so.  Oh
> well.
> 
> 73, Nate
> 
73,
Dave,
https://www.nk7z.net


From k6dgwnv at gmail.com  Sun Oct 31 14:20:04 2021
From: k6dgwnv at gmail.com (Fred)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 11:20:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] feeding a half-wave dipole with ladder line
In-Reply-To: <123b4ec9-e57d-9af4-89aa-3d8b923e279e@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CAPHmH=N=0J2HbsMMLq8eLgnWTwpLducs6aOjSo46qnvThC+JaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<123b4ec9-e57d-9af4-89aa-3d8b923e279e@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <3819d797-f64e-4405-e337-36084c735559@gmail.com>

Ahh yes!? "The Illuminator."? As I remember, he even put three bulbs in 
a Vee, each decoupled to make a "Phased Illuminator."? I believe he 
worked all continents on the single bulb.? I'd guess that all of us of a 
certain age have had someone call us as we were tuning up on a light 
bulb.? My HOA-friendly WOOF antenna looks to be in the same class as the 
Illuminator when you just look at it, however it too works.? I think B&W 
still sells an all-band folded dipole which for years could be seen 
hanging over National Guard Armories.? It has a resistor loading it, 
~200 ohms I think and since most of the Guard's HF comm is fairly local 
to their state, it works great for them.? We seem to have grown a bit 
too precise about antennas these days?

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

Jim Brown wrote on 10/30/2021 11:44 PM:
> On 10/30/2021 4:47 PM, John Harper wrote:
>>> Multiband DXCC is NOT a measure of antenna performance
>> Au contraire, it's one measure.
>
> Many years ago, N6BT published a piece in QST describing how had 
> worked DX on a light bulb. He had carefully decoupled it so that it 
> was, indeed, the lightbulb doing the radiating. He included it in his 
> very informative self-published "Array of Light." He did the 
> experiment to demonstrate that "everything works," but some things 
> work better than others.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From lists at subich.com  Sun Oct 31 14:54:06 2021
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 14:54:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] what soundcard for K3 and Mac
In-Reply-To: <AE149CB8-1BBB-435F-950A-CA12D3C76FD9@woh.rr.com>
References: <23F344F3-3BC4-41D8-9FD3-E1375F84FE4C@mchsi.com>
	<AE149CB8-1BBB-435F-950A-CA12D3C76FD9@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <91d58ced-9dc9-cb5c-bc49-6d6fa4a83c4e@subich.com>


> What I haven?t quite figured out is how important is this really is
> to weak signal digital decoding.

Low noise in a sound card is important to weak signal decoding in two
ways:

1) you want the inherent noise floor in the sound card to be 10 to 15
    dB *LESS* than the minimum - receiver noise + "antenna" - noise.  On
    VHF with a very quiet receiver the receiver noise can be quite low.

2) high noise level in a sound card directly subtracts from the dynamic
    range (ADC clipping - noise floor).  With a high noise floor, strong
    signals either overflow the ADC or the receiver AGC must reduce gain
    with moves the weak signals below the (higher) noise floor.

> After testing, I settled on a Sound BlasterX G5 model SB1700 which 
 > tested at about -120dB noise level.

-128 dB relative to what?  A quality 16 bit sound card has a theoretical
dynamic range of 97dB - a quality 16 bit card (low noise) will produce
about 90 dB dynamic range in practice.  A 24 bit sound card has 144 dB
theoretical dynamic range but a practical 24 bit sound card will produce
maybe 115 dB dynamic range but to take advantage of that dynamic range
the sound card (any audio preamps and the ADC) need to operate with a
supply voltage greater than the typical 3.3 or 5 V USB supply.  A 24 bit
sound card with a 5 V (USB) supply will be lucky to achieve 100 dB
dynamic range.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2021-10-31 10:41 AM, SteveL wrote:
> Dave,
> This interest caught my eye awhile back:
> 
> http://members.chello.at/oe1mww/sound-card-check/ <http://members.chello.at/oe1mww/sound-card-check/>
> 
> I?ve tested several of the inexpensive (<$10) nameless USB sound card dongles using his method and saw a wide variety of noise floors - however significantly higher than a name brand USB card.  After testing, I settled on a Sound BlasterX G5 model SB1700 which tested at about -120dB noise level.  How does this compare?  My nameless sound dongles noise level tested -70 to -90dB - a big difference.
> 
> What I haven?t quite figured out is how important is this really is to weak signal digital decoding.
> 
> Steve
> aa8af
> 
>> On Oct 30, 2021, at 10:49 PM, David Christ <radioham at mchsi.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes this has been bead to death previously. Jim Brown made a number of suggestions in a paper from 2014.  However the market has changed.  Those models are all discontinued and those manufacturers' follow ons are much more expensive and have features that are not needed for sound card modes.  Any offerings of these older models seem to be coming from overseas.  The $100 and under market seems to be dominated by mystery brand dongles which are a gamble.
>>
>> So can any one recommend a tried and true sound card interface for use between an K3 (without a sound card) and a MacBook Pro (which has no mike or line in jack)?  I would like to hear from people who have actually the unit, not just speculation.
>>



From w7jhr at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 31 15:53:37 2021
From: w7jhr at yahoo.com (Jim Ruff)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 19:53:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Problem Tuning K3
References: <1234355006.1747428.1635710017301.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1234355006.1747428.1635710017301@mail.yahoo.com>

I?m running a K3, KPA500 and a KAT500. My antenna is an 80m OCFD. ?When I operate FT8, the rig tunes perfectly on all bands. ?When I was operating SSB in the DX contest this weekend, the rig would not?tune on any of the SSB frequencies or bands. ?If I turned off the KPA500 and the KAT500, the K3 would tune all bands and frequencies with it?s internal tuner. ?Any ideas on what is causing this to happen?Thanks,Jim W7JHR


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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sun Oct 31 16:37:54 2021
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 13:37:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] what soundcard for K3 and Mac
In-Reply-To: <91d58ced-9dc9-cb5c-bc49-6d6fa4a83c4e@subich.com>
References: <23F344F3-3BC4-41D8-9FD3-E1375F84FE4C@mchsi.com>
	<AE149CB8-1BBB-435F-950A-CA12D3C76FD9@woh.rr.com>
	<91d58ced-9dc9-cb5c-bc49-6d6fa4a83c4e@subich.com>
Message-ID: <F35B9D6C-C66C-492F-B68B-2BFB219682DF@wunderwood.org>

This list was updated in 2018. 

http://www.telepostinc.com/soundcards.html <http://www.telepostinc.com/soundcards.html>

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Oct 31, 2021, at 11:54 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> What I haven?t quite figured out is how important is this really is
>> to weak signal digital decoding.
> 
> Low noise in a sound card is important to weak signal decoding in two
> ways:
> 
> 1) you want the inherent noise floor in the sound card to be 10 to 15
>   dB *LESS* than the minimum - receiver noise + "antenna" - noise.  On
>   VHF with a very quiet receiver the receiver noise can be quite low.
> 
> 2) high noise level in a sound card directly subtracts from the dynamic
>   range (ADC clipping - noise floor).  With a high noise floor, strong
>   signals either overflow the ADC or the receiver AGC must reduce gain
>   with moves the weak signals below the (higher) noise floor.
> 
>> After testing, I settled on a Sound BlasterX G5 model SB1700 which 
> > tested at about -120dB noise level.
> 
> -128 dB relative to what?  A quality 16 bit sound card has a theoretical
> dynamic range of 97dB - a quality 16 bit card (low noise) will produce
> about 90 dB dynamic range in practice.  A 24 bit sound card has 144 dB
> theoretical dynamic range but a practical 24 bit sound card will produce
> maybe 115 dB dynamic range but to take advantage of that dynamic range
> the sound card (any audio preamps and the ADC) need to operate with a
> supply voltage greater than the typical 3.3 or 5 V USB supply.  A 24 bit
> sound card with a 5 V (USB) supply will be lucky to achieve 100 dB
> dynamic range.
> 
> 73,
> 
>   ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
> On 2021-10-31 10:41 AM, SteveL wrote:
>> Dave,
>> This interest caught my eye awhile back:
>> http://members.chello.at/oe1mww/sound-card-check/ <http://members.chello.at/oe1mww/sound-card-check/>
>> I?ve tested several of the inexpensive (<$10) nameless USB sound card dongles using his method and saw a wide variety of noise floors - however significantly higher than a name brand USB card.  After testing, I settled on a Sound BlasterX G5 model SB1700 which tested at about -120dB noise level.  How does this compare?  My nameless sound dongles noise level tested -70 to -90dB - a big difference.
>> What I haven?t quite figured out is how important is this really is to weak signal digital decoding.
>> Steve
>> aa8af
>>> On Oct 30, 2021, at 10:49 PM, David Christ <radioham at mchsi.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes this has been bead to death previously. Jim Brown made a number of suggestions in a paper from 2014.  However the market has changed.  Those models are all discontinued and those manufacturers' follow ons are much more expensive and have features that are not needed for sound card modes.  Any offerings of these older models seem to be coming from overseas.  The $100 and under market seems to be dominated by mystery brand dongles which are a gamble.
>>> 
>>> So can any one recommend a tried and true sound card interface for use between an K3 (without a sound card) and a MacBook Pro (which has no mike or line in jack)?  I would like to hear from people who have actually the unit, not just speculation.
>>> 
> 
> 
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From wa6vab at gmail.com  Sun Oct 31 17:03:43 2021
From: wa6vab at gmail.com (Ray)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 14:03:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] center fed dipole
In-Reply-To: <bb94bec2-8f2e-6bfb-f5ff-9f350a4e4127@benlomand.net>
References: <mailman.3399.1635631630.9846.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<bb94bec2-8f2e-6bfb-f5ff-9f350a4e4127@benlomand.net>
Message-ID: <617f04b0.1c69fb81.65cd.ed0b@mx.google.com>

Your Guessing !
Did you Model it ???
Then you will know??..
Ray WA6VAB K3



Windows 0

From: Bob McGraw
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2021 6:17 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] center fed dipole

I don't understand the use of the 4:1 balun.? On 80M the feed Z of that 
antenna is more likely 25 to 50 ohms.? The 4:1 balun would present a 
impedance to the RG-213 of 6.5 to 12.5 ohms.? You would be much better 
with a 1:1 balun configuration.? Remember one is not matching the feed 
line impedance but is matching the antenna impedance.

The ideal use of a 4:1 balun is with a folded dipole antenna which 
presents a 200 to 300 ohm impedance.? Now the feed line Z is much closer 
matched and the 4:1 balun gets the Z to the coax in the 50 to 75 ohm 
range.? Much more efficient.? This of course is a single band antenna.

See https://www.dj0ip.de/balun-stuff/? for good, accurate, and reliable 
information on baluns and their usage.? Most hams have it wrong as well 
as most manufactures of antenna tuners who include a 4:1 balun.

73

Bob, K4TAX



On 10/30/2021 5:07 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 18:25:44 -0700 (PDT)
> From: MIKE ZANE<n6zw at comcast.net>
> To:"Elecraft at mailman.qth.net"  <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] center fed dipole
> Message-ID:<1705203692.528740.1635557144218 at connect.xfinity.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> I have no problem with a 130 ft dipole fed with 25 feet of 450 ohm ladder (window) line to a 4:1 4K balun with 15 feet of RG-213 to my MFJ 989C tuner. I have run from 5w to 1 KW with it....no problems at all.  n6zw

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From drh at dremy.com  Sun Oct 31 18:26:38 2021
From: drh at dremy.com (D Remy)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 18:26:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Problem Tuning K3
In-Reply-To: <1234355006.1747428.1635710017301@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1234355006.1747428.1635710017301@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D318B4F9-8A25-4AC1-A33C-07A09A8F4033@dremy.com>

Hey Jim!  I though FT8 was a superb weak signal mode at 5 to 10 watts at the most.  Nevertheless, I?ve had an inconsistent issue similar to yours.  One incident was resolved by backing down on the drive to 20w.  Another time I tuned up way off the chosen frequency such that the tuner had to make some major change.  Then I went back to near the desired frequency and it re-tuned just fine. So, I will be monitoring this thread with great interest to see what other responses you get.  73, David, NS4V


David R. Hourdequin, PE
Specialty Heavy Timber Engineer
828-421-6216

> On Oct 31, 2021, at 15:54, Jim Ruff via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I?m running a K3, KPA500 and a KAT500. My antenna is an 80m OCFD.  When I operate FT8, the rig tunes perfectly on all bands.  When I was operating SSB in the DX contest this weekend, the rig would not tune on any of the SSB frequencies or bands.  If I turned off the KPA500 and the KAT500, the K3 would tune all bands and frequencies with it?s internal tuner.  Any ideas on what is causing this to happen?Thanks,Jim W7JHR
> 
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From n6tv at arrl.net  Sun Oct 31 18:51:37 2021
From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 15:51:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use with
 the K4
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Did you try upgrading the K-POD firmware to 1.12 to use these new features?

1.12 10/20/2021
Holding down F4 on power up selects encoder 1:1 rate.
Holding down F5 on power up selects 1:0.5 rate.

73,
Bob, N6TV

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 8:26 PM Jim McDonald <jim at n7us.net> wrote:

> I have tried all three settings ? 100, 200, and 400.  The K-Pod tuning
> rate is half the rate of the K3/K3S.
>
>
>
> *73,  Jim N7US*
>
>
>
> *From:* Bob Wilson, N6TV <n6tv at arrl.net>
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 30, 2021 22:22
> *To:* john at kk9a.com
> *Cc:* Jim McDonald <jim at n7us.net>; Elecraft Reflector <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use
> with the K4
>
>
>
> What is *CONFIG:VFO CTS* set to?  Did you try changing it?
>
> 73,
> Bob, N6TV
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 8:06 PM <john at kk9a.com> wrote:
>
> I was just on 40m and my K-Pod VFO is definitely 1/2 the rate of my K3S's
> VFO.
>
> John KK9A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim McDonald [mailto:jim at n7us.net]
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 7:19 PM
> To: Bob Wilson, N6TV; john at kk9a.com; Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use
> with the K4
>
> My K-Pod tune at half the rate of the K3S at all three VFO CTS settings.
>
> If Elecraft could do it, I'd like for the K3/K3S F/W to provide the option
> for the K-Pod to tune at the same rate.
>
> 73,  Jim N7US
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> On Behalf Of Bob Wilson, N6TV
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 16:59
> To: john at kk9a.com; Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use
> with the K4
>
> In the K3, if you change *CONFIG:VFO CTS*, the VFO frequency moves faster
> at 400 than at 100 (counts per turn), but the K-POD always tunes at 100 or
> 200 counts per turn (can't remember which).  The K-POD ignores the VFO CTS
> setting on a K3.
>
> In the K4, the equivalent setting is *MENU:VFO Counts per Turn*, and
> *both* the VFO knob and the K-POD tuning rates are affected equally.
>
> Just spin one knob exactly one full 360? turn clockwise, then spin the
> other knob full turn counterclockwise.  If you don't end up back on the
> frequency where you started, it means the tuning rates are not the same.
>
> 73,
> Bob, N6TV
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 11:25 AM Fred <k6dgwnv at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "... except for the slow tuning." ????  I must be missing something.
> > My K-Pod tunes at the same rate as the K3. I have one of the K-Pod
> > buttons emulating the FINE/COARSE button on the radio ... use it all the
> time.
> > Maybe the rates I have my K3 configured for just happen to match the
> > encoder in the K-Pod?
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> > Sparks NV DM09dn
> > Washoe County
> >
> > john at kk9a.com wrote on 10/28/2021 8:07 PM:
> > > I really like the K-POD, except for the slow tuning. Too bad that
> > > the K3 firmware "cannot" reprogram it.
> > >
> > > John KK9A
> > >
> > >
> > > Bob Wilson, N6TV wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, this only works with the K4.  The K3 firmware cannot reprogram
> > > the K-POD encoder to match the K3's tuning rate.
> > >
> > > 73,
> > > Bob, N6TV
> > >
> > >
>
>

From jim at n7us.net  Sun Oct 31 19:05:23 2021
From: jim at n7us.net (Jim McDonald)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 23:05:23 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use with
 the K4
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Yes.

73,  Jim N7US

From: Bob Wilson, N6TV <n6tv at arrl.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 17:52
To: Jim McDonald <jim at n7us.net>
Cc: john at kk9a.com; Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use with the K4

Did you try upgrading the K-POD firmware to 1.12 to use these new features?

1.12 10/20/2021
Holding down F4 on power up selects encoder 1:1 rate.
Holding down F5 on power up selects 1:0.5 rate.

73,
Bob, N6TV

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 8:26 PM Jim McDonald <jim at n7us.net<mailto:jim at n7us.net>> wrote:
I have tried all three settings ? 100, 200, and 400.  The K-Pod tuning rate is half the rate of the K3/K3S.

73,  Jim N7US

From: Bob Wilson, N6TV <n6tv at arrl.net<mailto:n6tv at arrl.net>>
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2021 22:22
To: john at kk9a.com<mailto:john at kk9a.com>
Cc: Jim McDonald <jim at n7us.net<mailto:jim at n7us.net>>; Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use with the K4

What is CONFIG:VFO CTS set to?  Did you try changing it?
73,
Bob, N6TV

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 8:06 PM <john at kk9a.com<mailto:john at kk9a.com>> wrote:
I was just on 40m and my K-Pod VFO is definitely 1/2 the rate of my K3S's VFO.

John KK9A

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim McDonald [mailto:jim at n7us.net<mailto:jim at n7us.net>]
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 7:19 PM
To: Bob Wilson, N6TV; john at kk9a.com<mailto:john at kk9a.com>; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use with the K4

My K-Pod tune at half the rate of the K3S at all three VFO CTS settings.

If Elecraft could do it, I'd like for the K3/K3S F/W to provide the option for the K-Pod to tune at the same rate.

73,  Jim N7US

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>> On Behalf Of Bob Wilson, N6TV
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 16:59
To: john at kk9a.com<mailto:john at kk9a.com>; Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use with the K4

In the K3, if you change *CONFIG:VFO CTS*, the VFO frequency moves faster at 400 than at 100 (counts per turn), but the K-POD always tunes at 100 or
200 counts per turn (can't remember which).  The K-POD ignores the VFO CTS setting on a K3.

In the K4, the equivalent setting is *MENU:VFO Counts per Turn*, and *both* the VFO knob and the K-POD tuning rates are affected equally.

Just spin one knob exactly one full 360? turn clockwise, then spin the other knob full turn counterclockwise.  If you don't end up back on the frequency where you started, it means the tuning rates are not the same.

73,
Bob, N6TV


On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 11:25 AM Fred <k6dgwnv at gmail.com<mailto:k6dgwnv at gmail.com>> wrote:

> "... except for the slow tuning." ????  I must be missing something.
> My K-Pod tunes at the same rate as the K3. I have one of the K-Pod
> buttons emulating the FINE/COARSE button on the radio ... use it all the time.
> Maybe the rates I have my K3 configured for just happen to match the
> encoder in the K-Pod?
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> john at kk9a.com<mailto:john at kk9a.com> wrote on 10/28/2021 8:07 PM:
> > I really like the K-POD, except for the slow tuning. Too bad that
> > the K3 firmware "cannot" reprogram it.
> >
> > John KK9A
> >
> >
> > Bob Wilson, N6TV wrote:
> >
> > Yes, this only works with the K4.  The K3 firmware cannot reprogram
> > the K-POD encoder to match the K3's tuning rate.
> >
> > 73,
> > Bob, N6TV
> >
> >

From k6dgwnv at gmail.com  Sun Oct 31 19:32:36 2021
From: k6dgwnv at gmail.com (Fred)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 16:32:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use with
 the K4
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Hmmm ... and here I thought I was way too old to learn new things.

1.? There's a K-Pod utility
2. There's an update for K-Pod firmware
3.? My K-Pod runs with just the flat cable inserted and no wall wart needed
4.? To get the K-Pod utility to work, you have to do some finger 
gymnastics on F1/F4
5. The new FW rev really does change the encoder rate

All I'm missing now is, "Do I like my old rate [1/2 the VFO A rate] or 
the 1:1 rate?"? I'll try the new 1:1 for awhile.? Odds are very high 
I'll get used to it right away and not notice the difference.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

Jim McDonald wrote on 10/31/2021 4:05 PM:
> From: Bob Wilson, N6TV <n6tv at arrl.net>
> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 17:52
> To: Jim McDonald <jim at n7us.net>
> Cc: john at kk9a.com; Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-Pod manual updated -- now covers use with the K4
>
> Did you try upgrading the K-POD firmware to 1.12 to use these new features?
>
> 1.12 10/20/2021
> Holding down F4 on power up selects encoder 1:1 rate.
> Holding down F5 on power up selects 1:0.5 rate.
>
> 73,
> Bob, N6TV


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From ab7echo at gmail.com  Sun Oct 31 19:36:57 2021
From: ab7echo at gmail.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 16:36:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Problem Tuning K3
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No, that isn't true at all.? FT8 is indeed a WEAK SIGNAL mode, but in no 
way is it limited to low power ... other than the key down capability of 
the rig, of course.? I've used a KW on FT8 on 160m to work Japan and the 
rest of SE Asia in spite of the 2,000 foot high mountain that sits less 
than two miles away from me in direct line to that area.? When using 
high power on FT8 you want to make sure you have a very clean signal, of 
course, but it's a complete fallacy to think that it is strictly a low 
power mode.

Dave?? AB7E


On 10/31/2021 3:26 PM, D Remy wrote:
> I though FT8 was a superb weak signal mode at 5 to 10 watts at the most.


From n8sbe at arrl.net  Sun Oct 31 21:34:30 2021
From: n8sbe at arrl.net (Dave New)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 20:34:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 80M Elecraft SSB Net 10/30/2021 ET/11/1/2021 UTC
Message-ID: <20211031203430.Horde.-jTuz9zRtqe6ChJSL0MO5Nz@www14.qth.com>


The 80M Elecraft SSB Net met at 9pm ET Sunday, 0100 UTC Monday

Checkins:

N8SBE   Dave   MI K3S         KPA500       net control
WB8HRO  Tim    MI FT-450D     KPA500
K8NU    Carl   OH FT-DX101D   GENESIS III
WM6P    Steve  GA K3S         KPA1500
N8TTR   Mike   IN K3
AE6JV   Bill   NH K3                       net relay
N2TNQ   Lem    NJ K3          KPA500

I indicated amps to give an idea of the power folks were running, but
I may have forgotten a couple, please correct me if so.

Also, a reminder that starting next week, with the US time change to  
standard time,
the nets will meet at the same time UTC, which mean they will all  
shift an hour earlier
in local time.  The 80M net will meet at 8pm ET Sunday, for example.

73,

-- Dave, N8SBE




From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Oct 31 23:43:31 2021
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevin)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 20:43:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <11959449-7cd0-d1a1-04a7-4a5dda49fa23@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ? Conditions were not too bad.? I had expected a CME of more vigor.? 
This one rattled the ionosphere but did not leave much behind.? Neither 
I, nor my brother in Wisconsin, saw any aurora. Clear skies with no 
moon, if they had been there ...? However, every signal I copied had 
some form of QSB.? I know I gave one report of S2 to S9.? Some had fast 
QSB, but all had the slower kind.? The low noise level allowed copy to 
S0; the QSB simply added to the fun.

 ?? Forty meters changed as the second net progressed.? Next week some 
of us have a time change.? The first net will stay at 2200z. I think.? 
Depends upon where the second net winds up.? I expect the band to be 
changing quickly around net time.? I'll start guarding the frequency 
earlier and see how it goes.? I will solidify this for next week's 
announcement.? Just a little forewarning.? It all depends on the sun 
angle at net time.

 ?? I think I will go searching for the spooks at W0O on forty meters.? 
They should be haunting there.


 ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

W0CZ - Ken - ND

NO8V - John - MI

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

KB3FBR - Joe - PA

K4JPN - Steve - GA


 ? On 7047.5 kHz at 0000z:

KG7V - Marv - WA

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

KL7CW - Rick - AK

K6PJV - Dale - CA



Until next week 73,

 ?? Kevin.? KD5ONS


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