[Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

Tue Mar 30 19:19:22 EDT 2021

Not true.  You're wrong, and you're just trying to obfuscate the point.

As I said, I don't have a K4 on order, but if I did have one on order 
and was given a clear projection that I could count on, at least I'd 
have what I needed to make an informed decision and I'd be satisfied 
with that.  Those who have invested in the K4 don't have that.

Dave   AB7E

On 3/30/2021 4:13 PM, Ray wrote:
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> Maybe Eric should just say……..
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> Life with the corona virus has delayed everything by One Year,
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> So it is with the Delivery of the K4 !
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> I am sure You would *not Accept or be Happy Either !*
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> Ray WA6VAB K3
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> *From: *David Gilbert <mailto:ab7echo at gmail.com>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:38 PM
> *To: *Hal Massey <mailto:haljr.massey at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
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> If you believe all of that to be true, clearly you haven't been
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> following the posts here on the reflector.
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> Besides, I don't find "if you can't accept being in the dark ask for
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> your money back" to be sound business practice.  It certainly wouldn't
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> have been tolerated in the large business I ran for several years.
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> Dave   AB7E
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> On 3/30/2021 1:18 PM, Hal Massey wrote:
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> > David,
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> >
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> > Is the customer set you are referring to and claiming to be
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> > sympathetic too even in existence? Elecraft will refund money to
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> > anyone that asks. Wouldn’t those that can’t have their money tied up
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> > have pulled out by now? Wouldn’t those that are upset with the
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> > communications be gone by now??
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> >
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> > Regards
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> > -Hal
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> >
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> >> On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:51 AM, David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com
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> >> <mailto:ab7echo at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> >>
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> >>
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> >> As the kids say, "cool story, bro."
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> >>
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> >> None of it changes the fact that lots of people have put out a lot of
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> >> money with almost zero visibility into when they will get their
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> >> product, and the K4 situation doesn't have the significantly
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> >> leveraged upside that your story did.  There isn't the same
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> >> risk/reward ratio here that your example had. Apples and potatoes.
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> >>
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> >> There are lots of reasons why Elecraft could be granted some slack
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> >> for major and repeated delays in shipping the K4, but the part I
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> >> don't understand is the almost total absence of regular communication
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> >> on the delivery status.  It makes no sense at all.  If Wayne can find
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> >> the time to tell us about his latest pedestrian mobile contact he
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> >> should be able to tell his investors where the company stands on
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> >> actually producing the product that they paid for.
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> >>
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> >> I'm just an interested observer here since I haven't ordered a K4,
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> >> but that doesn't change the fact that I sympathize with those who did.
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> >>
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> >> Dave  AB7E
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> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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> >> On 3/30/2021 8:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
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> >>> I can’t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k
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> >>> two years ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment.  NO, actually I
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> >>> can.
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>> Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I
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> >>> had been associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru
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> >>> many of the same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new
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> >>> product to market.  The CEO vowed he would run the business as if
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> >>> they were broke, which they very nearly were.  But the employees
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> >>> were faithful believers in the company and the product, and worked
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> >>> very hard to make it a success.
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>> Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me
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> >>> that they had sold the company to another industry player (a
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> >>> non-competitor) and that they wanted me to join them for lunch to
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> >>> discuss the deal. My fear and trepidation slowly disappeared that
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> >>> day as I met the new management “team” (with all the old R&D team
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> >>> still hard at work), got viable answers to all the hard questions
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> >>> and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion ($10 Million)
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> >>> had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease the
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> >>> wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of
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> >>> further consolidation and rapid development.
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>> It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential
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> >>> disaster we had all feared.
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>> Hang in there.  Times might seem tough, but there are some very
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> >>> smart people at work here.
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>> 73
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> >>>
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> >>> Lyn, W0LEN
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>> From: Elecraft-K4 at groups.io <mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io>
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> >>> [mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io <mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io>] On
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> >>> Behalf Of Ted Roycraft
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> >>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM
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> >>> To: Elecraft-K4 at groups.io <mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io>
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> >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews?
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>> The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear
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> >>> something official from Elecraft.  It's been too long since we've
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> >>> heard much of anything.  I would like to know if I can expect my
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> >>> Group 1 order, submitted on August 8, 2019, has any chance of
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> >>> getting to me before summer, 2021 begins or is it likely that I will
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> >>> have to wait another year.  I could have asked much the same
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> >>> question a year ago never expecting that a year from then, there
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> >>> would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now.  By the way, when I
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> >>> submitted my order the expected shipping date was estimated to be
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> >>> November or December, 2019. That's pre-pandemic.
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> >>>
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> >>> 73, Ted, W2ZK
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