[Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

Tue Mar 30 16:57:17 EDT 2021

If you believe all of that to be true, clearly you haven't been 
following the posts here on the reflector.

Besides, I don't find "if you can't accept being in the dark ask for 
your money back" to be sound business practice.  It certainly wouldn't 
have been tolerated in the large business I ran for several years.

Dave   AB7E

On 3/30/2021 1:18 PM, Hal Massey wrote:
> David,
>
> Is the customer set you are referring to and claiming to be 
> sympathetic too even in existence? Elecraft will refund money to 
> anyone that asks. Wouldn’t those that can’t have their money tied up 
> have pulled out by now? Wouldn’t those that are upset with the 
> communications be gone by now??
>
> Regards
> -Hal
>
>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:51 AM, David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:ab7echo at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> As the kids say, "cool story, bro."
>>
>> None of it changes the fact that lots of people have put out a lot of 
>> money with almost zero visibility into when they will get their 
>> product, and the K4 situation doesn't have the significantly 
>> leveraged upside that your story did.  There isn't the same 
>> risk/reward ratio here that your example had. Apples and potatoes.
>>
>> There are lots of reasons why Elecraft could be granted some slack 
>> for major and repeated delays in shipping the K4, but the part I 
>> don't understand is the almost total absence of regular communication 
>> on the delivery status.  It makes no sense at all.  If Wayne can find 
>> the time to tell us about his latest pedestrian mobile contact he 
>> should be able to tell his investors where the company stands on 
>> actually producing the product that they paid for.
>>
>> I'm just an interested observer here since I haven't ordered a K4, 
>> but that doesn't change the fact that I sympathize with those who did.
>>
>> Dave  AB7E
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/30/2021 8:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
>>> I can’t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k 
>>> two years ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment.  NO, actually I 
>>> can.
>>>
>>>
>>> Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I 
>>> had been associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru 
>>> many of the same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new 
>>> product to market.  The CEO vowed he would run the business as if 
>>> they were broke, which they very nearly were.  But the employees 
>>> were faithful believers in the company and the product, and worked 
>>> very hard to make it a success.
>>>
>>>
>>> Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me 
>>> that they had sold the company to another industry player (a 
>>> non-competitor) and that they wanted me to join them for lunch to 
>>> discuss the deal. My fear and trepidation slowly disappeared that 
>>> day as I met the new management “team” (with all the old R&D team 
>>> still hard at work), got viable answers to all the hard questions 
>>> and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion ($10 Million) 
>>> had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease the 
>>> wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of 
>>> further consolidation and rapid development.
>>>
>>>
>>> It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential 
>>> disaster we had all feared.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hang in there.  Times might seem tough, but there are some very 
>>> smart people at work here.
>>>
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Lyn, W0LEN
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Elecraft-K4 at groups.io <mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io> 
>>> [mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io <mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io>] On 
>>> Behalf Of Ted Roycraft
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM
>>> To: Elecraft-K4 at groups.io <mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io>
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews?
>>>
>>>
>>> The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear 
>>> something official from Elecraft.  It's been too long since we've 
>>> heard much of anything.  I would like to know if I can expect my 
>>> Group 1 order, submitted on August 8, 2019, has any chance of 
>>> getting to me before summer, 2021 begins or is it likely that I will 
>>> have to wait another year.  I could have asked much the same 
>>> question a year ago never expecting that a year from then, there 
>>> would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now.  By the way, when I 
>>> submitted my order the expected shipping date was estimated to be 
>>> November or December, 2019. That's pre-pandemic.
>>>
>>> 73, Ted, W2ZK
>>>
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