From w5sv.dave at gmail.com  Mon Mar  1 00:38:01 2021
From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 23:38:01 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] SSB  20 M Net for 2-28-2021:  Addendum
In-Reply-To: <1603343400.660783.1614570023979@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1603343400.660783.1614570023979.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1603343400.660783.1614570023979@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BDC3C94D-E7C3-4B39-AA87-9480EAE30542@gmail.com>

No problem Eric, no ned for an apology; we all make an occarional oversight.

73 de W5SV - David F. Reed

> On Feb 28, 2021, at 21:40, Eric Lanzl <elanzl at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> For today's 20 M net I missed one station: 
> 
> W5SV   Dave   TX  K3      5354
> Sorry for the omission. 
> 
> Eric WB9JNZ

From kevinr at coho.net  Mon Mar  1 00:43:45 2021
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 21:43:45 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <94ce9168-b195-5a3b-4d87-4dd6d54afc6b@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? Signals were fair to OK on twenty meters.? Steve had fast QSB but 
noise was low.? Forty meters changed from the first minute onward.? 
Signals were strong but everyone faded with time.

 ? Some signs of spring but only those to the south had flowers. There 
are pockets of snow here in the shade.? I had lots of traffic today.? 
About a dozen motorcycles came through, testing the mud.? Plenty of clay 
mixed in so they have a slippery challenge.

 ? John did mention ice and wind.? Perfect antenna eating weather.? Days 
are getting longer, I expect 40 meters to keep improving.? We were done 
before dusk today so I did not lose anyone in the middle of a contact.


 ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

W0CZ - Ken - ND

NO8V - John - MI

K6XK - Roy - IA

K4JPN - Steve - GA


 ? On 7047.5 kHz at 0000z:

W0CZ - Ken - ND

KG7V - Marv - WA

WM5F - Dwight - ID

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

K6PJV - Dale - CA

AE6C - Denny - CA


Until next week 73,

 ?? Kevin.? KD5ONS


-






// rotate sphere 90 degrees up
 ??? Rot = matGen(0.0, 0.0, 90.0);
 ??? for (int i=0; i<scn->object[scn->objects].faces; i++)
 ??? ??? {
 ??? ??? for (int j=0; j<scn->object[scn->objects].face[i].vertices; j++)
 ??? ??? ??? {
 ??? ??? ??? scn->object[scn->objects].face[i].vertex[j] = ??? ??? // 
move vertex to center
vecMinusVec(scn->object[scn->objects].face[i].vertex[j], 
scn->object[scn->objects].center);
 ??? ??? ??? scn->object[scn->objects].face[i].vertex[j] = ??? ??? // 
rotate? vertex around center
 ??? ??? ??? matTvec( Rot, scn->object[scn->objects].face[i].vertex[j] );
 ??? ??? ??? scn->object[scn->objects].face[i].vertex[j] = ??? ??? // 
return vertex to where it was
vecPlusVec(scn->object[scn->objects].face[i].vertex[j], 
scn->object[scn->objects].center);
 ??? ??? ??? }
 ??? ??? }



 ?? ptr->display(BLACK);

 ?? buoy = mass( ambient, ptr->getRadius() )
 ?????????????? - mass( ptr->getTemp(), ptr->getRadius() );
 ?? ptr->setX( ptr->getX() + ptr->getVX()*t );
 ?? ptr->setY( ptr->getY() + ptr->getVY()*t - buoy*g*t*t + g*t*t );
 ?? ptr->bounce();

 ?? ptr->display( ptr->getColor() );




From louandzip at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  1 07:49:35 2021
From: louandzip at yahoo.com (Louandzip)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 12:49:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 upgrade notes not found on Elecraft site...
In-Reply-To: <1614572937560-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <03BFDE79-68AD-458A-9E43-58B2934EB0F2@illinois.edu>
	<1614430567596-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1614546869716-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1614572937560-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <73178849.550604.1614602975948@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hey.? Thanks!? That is a big help.? I've been following along in the shadows as I built my K2 in 2000 and have been looking at bringing it up to date.? I kept up with updates number of years but I'm not exactly sure where I am and where I need to go with it. 

Lou W7HV (W7DZN back then)
   On Sunday, February 28, 2021, 9:29:43 PM MST, Mike K8CN <mike.carter at unh.edu> wrote:  
 
 Chuck,

I found an old copy of the K2 firmware update instructions with brief
descriptions of prior versions' feature changes using the Wayback Machine
(aka archive.org).

https://web.archive.org/web/20090822034804/http://elecraft.com/

Once at this archived page, select Manuals and Downloads in the left hand
menu, select K2 manuals,
and scroll down to the link titled "2.04 K2 Firmware Notes."? That lists the
features of the Rev 2 firmware
succession.

The most recent firmware version, I believe, is 2.04R.? The instructions for
this version have a more limited history of changes.

https://web.archive.org/web/20150905061319/http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K2_Rev_2_FW_Rev_J.pdf

I hope this helps a bit more................

Mike, K8CN





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From w4jz at bellsouth.net  Mon Mar  1 10:09:29 2021
From: w4jz at bellsouth.net (Reed Fite)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 15:09:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Starts Off with Low Output on 10M
References: <1370246079.1587023.1614611369956.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1370246079.1587023.1614611369956@mail.yahoo.com>

Mine did the same thing. Did the TX gain calibration & that fixed it.
73,Reed? W4JZ


From chrisc at chris.org  Mon Mar  1 11:08:36 2021
From: chrisc at chris.org (Chris Cox, N0UK)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 10:08:36 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] 6.3mm to 3.5mm adapter broke off inside the K3
	paddle jack
In-Reply-To: <5A557F10-986D-4FD6-82C5-39AC3136AAA1@chris.org>
References: <CA+jbSKZb1OdYa1Kudr8-QegSBpDuY9e0OYavCZEn448ZO=DTfQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5A557F10-986D-4FD6-82C5-39AC3136AAA1@chris.org>
Message-ID: <DDDCECBC-01FC-4C49-BFDD-3AD6573AB307@chris.org>

Quick update on my broken plug problem.

The suggestion to use a tap to remove the broken plug tip helped a little.  It removed the plug ring and ring insulator, however, the tip of the plug is still trapped inside the 1/4? (6.3mm) socket.  What?s more, now the ring contact of the socket has sprung back open by a millimetre or two and is now very effectively blocking the further extraction of the broken tip.

Word of caution: don?t buy 6.3 to 3.5mm adapters from Amazon!

So even if I can find a tool to engage with the tip, I think it rather unlikely that I will also be able to get a second tool into the opening to then depress the ring contact out of the way.

Probably the easiest (note - didn?t say EASY!) option now is going to be to replace the actual paddle socket on the K3 RF board.

In the meantime, at least the standard key jack is still functional and so I can use an external keyer or straight key to send code.

Oh, what a palaver!

Chris Cox, N0UK
chrisc at chris.org <mailto:chrisc at chris.org>



> On Feb 27, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Chris Cox, N0UK <chrisc at chris.org> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that suggestion, Jim.
> 
> Chris Cox, N0UK
> chrisc at chris.org
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 26, 2021, at 11:31 PM, Jim Shepherd <nvjims at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> You can use a small screw tap like a 1-64 or 2-56 to carefully insert into the hole in the center of the broken off pin and gently turn it until it catches and you can gently pull out the pin.  Used this to pull out broken jacks from speaker-mics on handhelds.
>> 73
>> Jim W6US
>> 
> 
\

From wa2lbi at gmail.com  Mon Mar  1 11:54:03 2021
From: wa2lbi at gmail.com (wa2lbi at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2021 11:54:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 6.3mm to 3.5mm adapter broke off inside the K3
 paddle jack
Message-ID: <vdqhhicuerug32b9il1gt935.1614617498046@email.lge.com>

Would it be possible to insert a piece of thin-walled brass tubing to deflect the ring contact and still allow access for tip removal??Ken?WA2LBI?LG G6?------ Original message------From: Chris Cox, N0UKDate: Mon, Mar 1, 2021 11:09To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net;Elecraft-K3 at groups.io;Cc: Subject:Re: [Elecraft] 6.3mm to 3.5mm adapter broke off inside the K3 paddle jackQuick update on my broken plug problem.

The suggestion to use a tap to remove the broken plug tip helped a little.  It removed the plug ring and ring insulator, however, the tip of the plug is still trapped inside the 1/4? (6.3mm) socket.  What?s more, now the ring contact of the socket has sprung back open by a millimetre or two and is now very effectively blocking the further extraction of the broken tip.

Word of caution: don?t buy 6.3 to 3.5mm adapters from Amazon!

So even if I can find a tool to engage with the tip, I think it rather unlikely that I will also be able to get a second tool into the opening to then
 depress the ring contact out of the way.

Probably the easiest (note - didn?t say EASY!) option now is going to be to replace the actual paddle socket on the K3 RF board.

In the meantime, at least the standard key jack is still functional and so I can use an external keyer or straight key to send code.

Oh, what a palaver!

Chris Cox, N0UK
chrisc at chris.org 



> On Feb 27, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Chris Cox, N0UK  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that suggestion, Jim.
> 
> Chris Cox, N0UK
> chrisc at chris.org
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 26, 2021, at 11:31 PM, Jim Shepherd  wrote:
>> 
>> You can use a small screw tap like a 1-64 or 2-56 to carefully insert into the hole in the center of the broken off pin and gently turn it until it catches and you can gently pull out the pin.  Used this to pull out broken jacks from speaker-mics on handhelds.
>> 73
>> Jim W6US
>> 
> 
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From 99sunset at gmail.com  Mon Mar  1 12:18:56 2021
From: 99sunset at gmail.com (Steve Hall)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 12:18:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 40 meter net 2-28-2021 1900Z
Message-ID: <CALdUqNM6kFhyWE1htQKHD2tC_gCsJWe6400Dw65D5ZwzndzFbg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to all the help received from my relay stations.
Interest in the 40 meter net continues to grow.

WM6P STEVE GA net control
WY3T TIM FL
WB9JNZ ERIC IL
K8NU CARL OH
KB9AVO PAUL IN K4
W5SV DAVE TX
AE6JV BILL NH
NC0JW JIM CO
W7SNR BOB AZ
KX9U KEN IN
W8LMG MAC WV
NK9A STAN MI
KB3FBR JOE PA
N0AHS NOAH TN
N8ZU JOHN NC
K2VJK VERN NY
W4DML DOUG TN
K9PY JERRY IL
W4OY JEFF VA
KE3Q BEN PA
N8SBE DAVE MI
W9EJB ED IN
WN8A JIM MI
KI5IZM MICHEAL TX First HF contact.
KC0EMO KEVIN IA KX2 QRP
W8KEG KEN MI
WA2TDL RICK NY KX3 QRP
KN8P JOE OH
W8SUN/M WAYNE VA
KI5MBH STEVE LA
WA9VIQ MIKE FL
WC9D DICK VA
W4FO PAT FL

From pe1hzg at xs4all.nl  Mon Mar  1 13:55:22 2021
From: pe1hzg at xs4all.nl (Geert Jan de Groot)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 19:55:22 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] status of bugs on existing Elecraft models?
In-Reply-To: <762dafe1-f2d5-237b-786e-cb39d781b6a6@xs4all.nl>
References: <mailman.1838.1614532063.3572.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<762dafe1-f2d5-237b-786e-cb39d781b6a6@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <3b153c60-f037-e727-c90b-4ce7a365b432@xs4all.nl>

Apologies for resend; used wrong email address for sending to list and 
was rejected, but I want my bugs fixed ;-)

> This should be working and we should be responding. We?re looking 
into it.
> Meanwhile: what?s your question? I?m always available

May I use the query on KX3 transverter bugs to ask the status of bugs on
the K3/K3s?

Here, too, transverters give issues. I have configured a transverter
band (for oscar-100), and subsequently disabled the HF bands
(CONFIG:BAND MAP OFF for all the HF bands). Now, the K3 shows erratic
behavior: when on he transverter band, instead of the BAND buttons being
inactive, BAND UP switches to 80m (which was disabled), and BAND DOWN
switches to 20m (which was also disabled). Enabling any HF band makes
this problem go away, but this allows accidental transmitting on antenna
ports that are not connected.
This was reported several years ago, never solved.

Another issue is with the P3. One of the command keys, scroll lock, is
only available on a regular-size keyboard,, not on a compact keyboard.
And a compact keyboard saves a lot of real estate on the operating desk.
Defining an alternative keystroke would enable use of compact keyboards
and is a trivial change.

These problems were reported several years ago. I know the focus is on
the K4 but these issues should not be hard to fix, not even with Corona
restrictions...

Geert Jan


From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Mon Mar  1 14:04:28 2021
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Mon,  1 Mar 2021 14:04:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] status of bugs on existing Elecraft models?
In-Reply-To: <3b153c60-f037-e727-c90b-4ce7a365b432@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-5CF37A69B9A248B690B1A7962528AFF5@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

One hack to avoid damage to the radio from transmitting when 
there is no antenna attached is to run with power settings by 
band and set the power for that HF band to zero.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 3/1/21 at 1:55 PM, pe1hzg at xs4all.nl (Geert Jan de Groot) wrote:

>Enabling any HF band makes
>this problem go away, but this allows accidental transmitting on antenna
>ports that are not connected.

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From dave.g4aon at gmail.com  Mon Mar  1 15:20:53 2021
From: dave.g4aon at gmail.com (Dave)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 20:20:53 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with KSYN3A 100Hz spurious
Message-ID: <CABiKjG6Z4yEFN7xRRc-txHuLa18MOf9TweG7NUyY60wuP5RvxQ@mail.gmail.com>

My old K3 (serial #80) with dual RX and KSYN3A upgrade synths, has
developed a fault.

A ?tune up? carrier, CW transmission, AM transmission, all exhibit 100Hz
?modulation? with spurious carriers every 100Hz each side of the centre
frequency. They start around 10dB down and drop off in a similar manner to
SSB IMD products. Receive sounds fine.

The issue is not always present when the K3 is cold, it is not related to
external connections (removed all except power), nor to a power supply
(swapped it and the power lead). It is also present on low power and on all
bands.

I?ve asked Elecraft Support, no reply so far. Any ideas as to what might be
the problem?

Thanks
Dave G4AON
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From no9e at arrl.net  Mon Mar  1 15:54:02 2021
From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 13:54:02 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with KSYN3A 100Hz spurious
In-Reply-To: <CABiKjG6Z4yEFN7xRRc-txHuLa18MOf9TweG7NUyY60wuP5RvxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABiKjG6Z4yEFN7xRRc-txHuLa18MOf9TweG7NUyY60wuP5RvxQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1614632042443-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

At one time my old K3 with 2nd RX had a 20KHz+ wide signal on 80m, which
generated lots of "attention"
since there were two dxpeditions close by and some blamed me for not getting
ATNO. Got a "nice" screenshot from a Flex. Receive was OK. I asked the
Elecraft support for some ideas and there was not a clear answer.

I tested the radio afterwards with an SDR.  The bandwidth was getting
smaller and then everything was normal. Not sure what has happened. It must
have been the transmit path somehow influencing the synthesizer (KSYN3). 

Ignacy NO9E 



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From w2kj at bellsouth.net  Mon Mar  1 16:27:32 2021
From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joseph Trombino, Jr)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 16:27:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Shipping update?
References: <9E3827B7-A10C-4B8B-8A97-EC806D2532BE.ref@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <9E3827B7-A10C-4B8B-8A97-EC806D2532BE@bellsouth.net>

Howdy Gang.

Have I missed any K4 shipping updates or have there just not been any lately?

Been playing with an Icom IC-705?nice little rig but not as user friendly as my KX3.

Still, it does have some nice features that I?d like to see in the new KX4 (grin).

Take care, stay healthy and enjoy.

			73, Joe W2KJ
			I QRP, therefore,  I am

From wglevy at gmail.com  Mon Mar  1 16:39:24 2021
From: wglevy at gmail.com (William Levy)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 13:39:24 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Buyer beware
Message-ID: <CAGAru09x=HFqdmRB37DEavWLTYsfKpeOqNH6gnrvz9TxSUThYQ@mail.gmail.com>

This is across the board. I just sold a KWM380 and the pictures and blah
blah keep coming back by other fraudsters.

Stay safe fellows, Bill N2WL

From ndjedinak at gmail.com  Mon Mar  1 16:39:56 2021
From: ndjedinak at gmail.com (Nate Jedinak)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 16:39:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Starts Off with Low Output on 10M
In-Reply-To: <1370246079.1587023.1614611369956@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1370246079.1587023.1614611369956.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1370246079.1587023.1614611369956@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <576185FE-0E59-4289-BB62-774EF8FD9D8B@gmail.com>

Unfortunately, this did not fix my particular KX2.  TX Gain calibration was completed successfully, but the same issue persists.

I also did the TX bias calibration, and noted that bis on Q6 took ~45 seconds to complete, vs the 3-10 the manual suggested.  Q7 was fast.  Q6 wavered a lot between .3-.7v.  I suspect this suggests the problem is perhaps indeed hardware-related.

Thank you to everyone on the list who responded with ideas to check.  I?ll get this one packed up and sent back to Elecraft.

?Nate KE8QID

> On Mar 1, 2021, at 10:09 AM, Reed Fite <w4jz at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
> Mine did the same thing. Did the TX gain calibration & that fixed it.
> 73,Reed  W4JZ
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From ak5x at me.com  Mon Mar  1 17:28:22 2021
From: ak5x at me.com (William Hammond)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 16:28:22 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with KSYN3A 100Hz spurious
In-Reply-To: <CABiKjG6Z4yEFN7xRRc-txHuLa18MOf9TweG7NUyY60wuP5RvxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABiKjG6Z4yEFN7xRRc-txHuLa18MOf9TweG7NUyY60wuP5RvxQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47C7FA7F-808B-455E-A8C5-328BC7BB5DE6@me.com>

Hi Dave, Still have those old synthesizers laying around.  I would start there and putt the old ones back in.  That will also force  you to disconnect and reconnect those infamous TMP coax connections.  

It is a place to start while Elecraft works you through the cue.

73, Bill-AK5X, K3 SN 00069 

> On Mar 1, 2021, at 2:20 PM, Dave <dave.g4aon at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My old K3 (serial #80) with dual RX and KSYN3A upgrade synths, has
> developed a fault.
> 
> A ?tune up? carrier, CW transmission, AM transmission, all exhibit 100Hz
> ?modulation? with spurious carriers every 100Hz each side of the centre
> frequency. They start around 10dB down and drop off in a similar manner to
> SSB IMD products. Receive sounds fine.
> 
> The issue is not always present when the K3 is cold, it is not related to
> external connections (removed all except power), nor to a power supply
> (swapped it and the power lead). It is also present on low power and on all
> bands.
> 
> I?ve asked Elecraft Support, no reply so far. Any ideas as to what might be
> the problem?
> 
> Thanks
> Dave G4AON
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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Mon Mar  1 22:47:24 2021
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Mon,  1 Mar 2021 22:47:24 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Shipping update?
In-Reply-To: <9E3827B7-A10C-4B8B-8A97-EC806D2532BE@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-253EBF44854B460395B16601C93ACB1E@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

I know one person who has a production K4. He doesn't want his 
name publicized because he doesn't want to be flooded with 
questions. I suspect most of the other lucky ones feel the same way.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 3/1/21 at 4:27 PM, w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joseph Trombino, Jr) wrote:

>Have I missed any K4 shipping updates or have there just not been any lately?
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From macymonkeys at charter.net  Mon Mar  1 23:13:29 2021
From: macymonkeys at charter.net (Macy monkeys)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 20:13:29 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Shipping update?
In-Reply-To: <r480Ps-10146i-253EBF44854B460395B16601C93ACB1E@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-253EBF44854B460395B16601C93ACB1E@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <AE31750C-6617-42B8-8673-3A56D07E62B8@charter.net>


That don't cut it with me. Share the good news brothers and sisters. Let's hear from new K4 owners! 

John K7FD

> On Mar 1, 2021, at 7:47 PM, Bill Frantz <frantz at pwpconsult.com> wrote:
> 
> I know one person who has a production K4. He doesn't want his name publicized because he doesn't want to be flooded with questions. I suspect most of the other lucky ones feel the same way.
> 
> 73 Bill AE6JV
> 
>> On 3/1/21 at 4:27 PM, w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joseph Trombino, Jr) wrote:
>> 
>> Have I missed any K4 shipping updates or have there just not been any lately?
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From ae6lx at worldwidedx.com  Mon Mar  1 23:39:21 2021
From: ae6lx at worldwidedx.com (Tim Tucker)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 20:39:21 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Starts Off with Low Output on 10M
In-Reply-To: <4CF18CC6-8C1D-4D4F-BD28-9B3F9F9FD507@coastside.net>
References: <091F6454-9094-4DDF-BE0F-988D8668CE34@gmail.com>
	<4CF18CC6-8C1D-4D4F-BD28-9B3F9F9FD507@coastside.net>
Message-ID: <CALuSmOemC=3nTvhNAb-JMvRAoAV6czkkprhRXTnKv3kAwPQ30w@mail.gmail.com>

Mine does that too.  What works for me is to tweak the mic gain up and then
back to the same level and it starts working normally.  Seems to me like
there is a firmware bug with the radio that hasn't been figured out and
addressed yet.

Tim

On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 6:08 PM Brian Hunt <huntinhmb at coastside.net> wrote:

> Nate,
> A couple more questions:
>
> Does the KX2 do the same thing on CW?
>
> Did Elecraft say anything about doing a TX gain calibration?  This can be
> done with the KX2 utility although I haven?t done it on mine, just on my
> K3. It sets the per-band gain coefficients  Be sure to save the current
> CONFIG file so you can restore it if needed. You will need a good dummy
> load an a stable power source. The procedure is on p. 38 of the Rev A5
> Manual.
>
> Good luck,
> 73,
> Brian, K0DTJ
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From indians at xsmail.com  Tue Mar  2 12:25:02 2021
From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2021 10:25:02 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex key collectible on eBay
Message-ID: <1614705902090-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Just FYI for those who is interesting in...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Elecraft-Hex-Key-Bencher-Excellent/143922888897?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3De4f540e5991e4b39aca5d74393f99590%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26mehot%3Dnone%26sd%3D143922888897%26itm%3D143922888897%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057%26brand%3DBENCHER&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A267fb719-7b7b-11eb-91e7-8ad8eef560a6%7Cparentrq%3Af3f1bd631770ab8cd7b19662fffcd382%7Ciid%3A1

(bit overpriced)

Ahoj,



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From dave.g4aon at gmail.com  Wed Mar  3 09:58:00 2021
From: dave.g4aon at gmail.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 14:58:00 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with KSYN3A 100Hz spurious
Message-ID: <CABiKjG4DxVwz02z10WjWux3arPzLrZnH078Yd1pcLtAHh=_Y9w@mail.gmail.com>

I need to apologise to the group and to my old K3... the problem wasn?t the
K3 after all. It turned out to be my Icom IC-7300 displaying an S9 carrier
from the K3 as having 100Hz sidebands and also producing a loud buzz from
the speaker.

Feeding the 7300 with an S9 level from a signal generator showed the
problem was with the Icom. I have no idea what caused the problem which was
present before a firmware upgrade, and after upgrading to version 1.40.
Doing a full reset of the 7300 cured the problem.

73 Dave G4AON
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From xyz191 at live.com  Wed Mar  3 11:36:59 2021
From: xyz191 at live.com (tim007)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 09:36:59 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Port problem
Message-ID: <1614789419307-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

I live in a nursing home and am mobility impaired and must control my KPA500
with my computer.  I saved for over a year for the amp.  My KPA500 will stay
connect to my computer for <2 min and the Utility locks up and the only way
to get it to load again is to re-boot the computer.  The error messages I
receive all say the port is in use which it is not.  I have uninstalled and
re-install the FTID comport driver many times.  The baud rate of 38400 for
both computer and amp.  I have downgraded and up graded the firmware.

S/N 4293 ;  FW 01.52 Utility Version 1.13.17.16 ;  OS Window 10 64 bit

73, Tim WB8HRO



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From xyz191 at live.com  Wed Mar  3 11:45:35 2021
From: xyz191 at live.com (Tim C)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 16:45:35 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Port problem
Message-ID: <CH2PR22MB208674162C121B1E8EB72B6DE1989@CH2PR22MB2086.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

I live in a nursing home and am mobility impaired and must control my KPA500 with my computer.  I saved for over a year for the amp.  My KPA500 will stay connect to my computer for <2 min and the Utility locks up and the only way to get it to load again is to re-boot the computer.  The error messages I receive all say the port is in use which it is not.  I have uninstalled and re-install the FTID comport driver many times.  The baud rate of 38400 for both computer and amp.  I have downgraded and up graded the firmware.

S/N 4293 ;  FW 01.52 Utility Version 1.13.17.16 ;  OS Window 10 64 bit

73, Tim WB8HRO


From rmdewan at gmail.com  Wed Mar  3 11:49:14 2021
From: rmdewan at gmail.com (Rajiv Dewan)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 11:49:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Port problem
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR22MB208674162C121B1E8EB72B6DE1989@CH2PR22MB2086.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR22MB208674162C121B1E8EB72B6DE1989@CH2PR22MB2086.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <A29EC504-805F-450A-A0E2-9E4E6B1BF8FB@gmail.com>

Tim,

  Why don?t you try using the KPA500 remote software instead?  Here is the link: https://elecraft.com/pages/kpa1500-kpa500-kat500-remote-software <https://elecraft.com/pages/kpa1500-kpa500-kat500-remote-software>

Raj, N2RD

> On Mar 3, 2021, at 11:45 AM, Tim C <xyz191 at live.com> wrote:
> 
> I live in a nursing home and am mobility impaired and must control my KPA500 with my computer.  I saved for over a year for the amp.  My KPA500 will stay connect to my computer for <2 min and the Utility locks up and the only way to get it to load again is to re-boot the computer.  The error messages I receive all say the port is in use which it is not.  I have uninstalled and re-install the FTID comport driver many times.  The baud rate of 38400 for both computer and amp.  I have downgraded and up graded the firmware.
> 
> S/N 4293 ;  FW 01.52 Utility Version 1.13.17.16 ;  OS Window 10 64 bit
> 
> 73, Tim WB8HRO
> 
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From marklgoldberg at gmail.com  Wed Mar  3 12:56:23 2021
From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:56:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Port problem
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR22MB208674162C121B1E8EB72B6DE1989@CH2PR22MB2086.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR22MB208674162C121B1E8EB72B6DE1989@CH2PR22MB2086.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAKn+a3vV-7eOfXQz3yzTQ_414CZ90z2237sJQvqLY0QwO_B7OQ@mail.gmail.com>

When does it disconnect?

Does it disconnect if you don't transmit?

Does it disconnect if you transmit with the KPA500 in standby?

Does it disconnect if you transmit with the KPA500 operating?

Does it matter which band you are on?

If the answers to the above are different, you may have an RF on the
USB / RS232 problem that is present during high power transmissions.
Try bonding the computer to the amp with a wide braid and make sure
both are grounded well. If you are on an upper floor, maybe a
counterpoise might be needed.

The KPA500 remote utility works well, but needs two computers, one
near the KPA500 and one near the shack. The advantage is you don't
have to use long USB / RS232 cables. The two computers can be on WiFi
which usually is not bothered by HF.

73,

Mark
W7MLG

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 9:46 AM Tim C <xyz191 at live.com> wrote:
>
> I live in a nursing home and am mobility impaired and must control my KPA500 with my computer.  I saved for over a year for the amp.  My KPA500 will stay connect to my computer for <2 min and the Utility locks up and the only way to get it to load again is to re-boot the computer.  The error messages I receive all say the port is in use which it is not.  I have uninstalled and re-install the FTID comport driver many times.  The baud rate of 38400 for both computer and amp.  I have downgraded and up graded the firmware.
>
> S/N 4293 ;  FW 01.52 Utility Version 1.13.17.16 ;  OS Window 10 64 bit
>
> 73, Tim WB8HRO
>
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From alan at wilcoxengineering.com  Wed Mar  3 19:49:40 2021
From: alan at wilcoxengineering.com (Alan D. Wilcox)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 19:49:40 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2][K1] Legacy Tuneups, Rescue, Build Services
Message-ID: <e2b5cdaf-7ecc-4422-4b52-02113f1c7998@wilcoxengineering.com>

 ????????????????? "W3DVX Rescues Legacy Elecrafts"

Hello,

Does your K1 or K2 need repair? Tuneup?
Want to sell, but it needs some attention before offering it for sale?
In addition to tuning your rig, I can also rescue a building project you 
might have started some time ago.

See what my clients have said about my construction and service work at 
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6768
Photos of the popular "Twins" -- the KPA100 and KAT100 in EC2 enclosure 
-- are at
https://wilcoxengineering.com/kpa100-in-ec2/

Cheers,
Alan

Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX (K2-5373, K3-40)
570-916-9590 (cell, text)
http://amazon.com/author/alandwilcox
Williamsport, PA 17701

NOTICE:

MY SITE AND INBOUND EMAIL WERE OUT OF ACTION 2/17 UNTIL TODAY.

IF YOU HAD SENT ME ANY EMAIL, PLEASE RESEND!

(My DNS and SSL had a problem finding me.)







From scott.a.rice at gmail.com  Thu Mar  4 01:11:31 2021
From: scott.a.rice at gmail.com (Scott Rice)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 23:11:31 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Command inputs for Wilderness/Norcal KC1?
In-Reply-To: <DED35787-3A6A-4F68-8202-43D1E1B0C851@elecraft.com>
References: <20170307.084813.22449.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>
	<DED35787-3A6A-4F68-8202-43D1E1B0C851@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1614838291883-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Wayne,

Would you be able to also send me the KC1 documentation? This 4-year-old
thread is the only discussion of the documentation that I'm finding with
google. 

Thanks,
Scott Rice
KB8VWM



wayne burdick wrote
> Hi John,
> 
> I wrote the manual (and the firmware), so I have all the original
> documentation. I'll send you a .pdf of the manual.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR





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From graziano at roccon.com  Thu Mar  4 08:12:02 2021
From: graziano at roccon.com (Graziano Roccon (IW2NOY))
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2021 14:12:02 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Command inputs for Wilderness/Norcal KC1?
In-Reply-To: <1614838291883-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <20170307.084813.22449.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>
	<DED35787-3A6A-4F68-8202-43D1E1B0C851@elecraft.com>
	<1614838291883-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <9d3b6ebe808e044aef986eb2d002e079@roccon.com>


Hello Scott,

i am a Norcal & Elecraft collector, i have some materials collected 
during the years.
In advance i can send you an image of a quick guide for KC1.
Unfortunately i found only a german guide and nothing in english.
Hope can help.

73's de Graziano IW2NOY

Il 04/03/2021 07:11 Scott Rice ha scritto:
> Hi Wayne,
> 
> Would you be able to also send me the KC1 documentation? This 
> 4-year-old
> thread is the only discussion of the documentation that I'm finding 
> with
> google.
> 
> Thanks,
> Scott Rice
> KB8VWM
> 
> 
> 
> wayne burdick wrote
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> I wrote the manual (and the firmware), so I have all the original
>> documentation. I'll send you a .pdf of the manual.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From julia at juliatuttle.net  Thu Mar  4 14:35:38 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2021 14:35:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Digital modes: proper ALC for full output power?
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrMsW244vGeAnjiXwE+VsLkL7LMrtMKnPLWDzLheN07v2Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm trying to get my KX3 set up for FT8 and JS8call and all those fun
modes, and I'm running into a bit of trouble with setting the audio
interface volume and mic gain.

The KX3 manual suggests aiming for no more than 3-4 bars of ALC indication
to prevent distortion, but if I do this, I don't always get full output
power.

Initially I chalked this up to the firmware reducing output power from
heat, but it's proportional: if I ask for 10 W, I get 7; if I ask for 5, I
get 3, and so on.

It also doesn't always happen!

Any ideas?

73s,

Julie

From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Thu Mar  4 21:35:52 2021
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Thu,  4 Mar 2021 21:35:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Digital modes: proper ALC for full output
	power?
In-Reply-To: <CAEVEBrMsW244vGeAnjiXwE+VsLkL7LMrtMKnPLWDzLheN07v2Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-BA7A6249E9974519B30AA72A915B3075@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

Hi Julia -

Running the Transmit Gain procedure (page 33 in my manual) is 
the usual first thing to do when the power output seems "wanky".

The general recommendation for drive level from the computer is 
4 bars with the 5th flashing. If the drive level is too low, the 
output power will start off low and then build to the power 
output setting on the radio. If the drive level is 4 bars with 
the 5th flashing, the radio will start close to the power output setting.

If the drive level is too high, you will drive the radio into 
using automatic level control which will produce a distorted 
signal on the air.

If the output power is stablising at levels lower than the 
setting, try the Transmit Gain calibration procedure.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 3/4/21 at 2:35 PM, julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle) wrote:

>I'm trying to get my KX3 set up for FT8 and JS8call and all those fun
>modes, and I'm running into a bit of trouble with setting the audio
>interface volume and mic gain.
>
>The KX3 manual suggests aiming for no more than 3-4 bars of ALC indication
>to prevent distortion, but if I do this, I don't always get full output
>power.
>
>Initially I chalked this up to the firmware reducing output power from
>heat, but it's proportional: if I ask for 10 W, I get 7; if I ask for 5, I
>get 3, and so on.
>
>It also doesn't always happen!
>
>Any ideas?
>
>73s,
>
>Julie
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From julia at juliatuttle.net  Fri Mar  5 14:45:18 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2021 14:45:18 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Digital modes: proper ALC for full output
	power?
In-Reply-To: <r480Ps-10146i-BA7A6249E9974519B30AA72A915B3075@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <CAEVEBrMsW244vGeAnjiXwE+VsLkL7LMrtMKnPLWDzLheN07v2Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<r480Ps-10146i-BA7A6249E9974519B30AA72A915B3075@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrOGsa+Hhc+AC=uz2i1qujQ1B1MTUzytiwce5GWBc0Kr-Q@mail.gmail.com>

Ah, okay, the manual didn't tell the whole story. I assumed if I got 0-1
bars, I was loud enough to hit full output power. I tried aiming for 4-5
bars and I'm getting full output power. Thanks to the folks who suggested
that!

So while I'm here, is it okay to run 15 W out for 15 seconds straight at a
50% duty cycle? The manual recommends 5 W, but FT8's duty cycle seems to
keep my PA temperature under 45 C. Are there other issues besides
temperature I need to worry about?

On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 9:36 PM Bill Frantz <frantz at pwpconsult.com> wrote:

> Hi Julia -
>
> Running the Transmit Gain procedure (page 33 in my manual) is
> the usual first thing to do when the power output seems "wanky".
>
> The general recommendation for drive level from the computer is
> 4 bars with the 5th flashing. If the drive level is too low, the
> output power will start off low and then build to the power
> output setting on the radio. If the drive level is 4 bars with
> the 5th flashing, the radio will start close to the power output setting.
>
> If the drive level is too high, you will drive the radio into
> using automatic level control which will produce a distorted
> signal on the air.
>
> If the output power is stablising at levels lower than the
> setting, try the Transmit Gain calibration procedure.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
> On 3/4/21 at 2:35 PM, julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle) wrote:
>
> >I'm trying to get my KX3 set up for FT8 and JS8call and all those fun
> >modes, and I'm running into a bit of trouble with setting the audio
> >interface volume and mic gain.
> >
> >The KX3 manual suggests aiming for no more than 3-4 bars of ALC indication
> >to prevent distortion, but if I do this, I don't always get full output
> >power.
> >
> >Initially I chalked this up to the firmware reducing output power from
> >heat, but it's proportional: if I ask for 10 W, I get 7; if I ask for 5, I
> >get 3, and so on.
> >
> >It also doesn't always happen!
> >
> >Any ideas?
> >
> >73s,
> >
> >Julie
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Bill Frantz        | Airline peanut bag: "Produced  | Periwinkle
> (408)348-7900      | in a facility that processes   | 150
> Rivermead Rd #235
> www.pwpconsult.com | peanuts and other nuts." - Duh |
> Peterborough, NH 03458
>
>

From alan_geller2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  5 19:55:47 2021
From: alan_geller2001 at yahoo.com (Alan Geller)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2021 16:55:47 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Help with the KX3 and FT8
References: <9FE6C513-0177-4089-83A0-83D1E14C44C1.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9FE6C513-0177-4089-83A0-83D1E14C44C1@yahoo.com>

With FT8 coming on strong as a popular communications and testing tool, it is 
tempting to dedicate your KX3 to this mode for a slice of time each day. There has been little to no
update info for the KX3 with popular sound card interfaces (eg Signalink) as well as suggested
settings for the KX3 and WTSJ-x itself. A little info would be very much appreciated from Elecraft or a crafty
experienced user. Thanks in advance. alan?.K6ADG

From jimk0xu at gmail.com  Sat Mar  6 00:49:22 2021
From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2021 23:49:22 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Help with the KX3 and FT8
In-Reply-To: <9FE6C513-0177-4089-83A0-83D1E14C44C1@yahoo.com>
References: <9FE6C513-0177-4089-83A0-83D1E14C44C1.ref@yahoo.com>
	<9FE6C513-0177-4089-83A0-83D1E14C44C1@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4YFFKHn52HCGnEPp8j-W2fumoGU9n+n27esMKFgAAqjWA@mail.gmail.com>

I did very little to set up FT modes on my KX3. Got a cheap USB sound card
with a line in jack. Use 2 stereo audio cables with 3.5 mm plugs at each
end. One from phones jack on KX3 to line in on sound card, Other cable goes
from mic connector on KX3 to speaker jack of sound card. Set mode to Data,
set submode to Data A. Using WSJT-X there is a rig selection for Elecraft
KX3. I set it up for CAT PTT if I remember correctly. Once you have the rig
set properly you need to set the levels, I find it is best to set both the
WSJT-X level slider about a third of the way up and the output level of the
sound card similarly. Then using the Tune button in WSJT-X adjust the
MIC/LINEIN pot on the KX3 to get 4 solid bars of ALC with the 5th one just
flashing then use Power setting to adjust output level. Adjust output level
to your sound card for a reasonable level on the waterfall display.

On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 6:56 PM Alan Geller via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> With FT8 coming on strong as a popular communications and testing tool, it
> is
> tempting to dedicate your KX3 to this mode for a slice of time each day.
> There has been little to no
> update info for the KX3 with popular sound card interfaces (eg Signalink)
> as well as suggested
> settings for the KX3 and WTSJ-x itself. A little info would be very much
> appreciated from Elecraft or a crafty
> experienced user. Thanks in advance. alan?.K6ADG
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From ae6lx at worldwidedx.com  Sat Mar  6 01:42:32 2021
From: ae6lx at worldwidedx.com (Tim Tucker)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2021 22:42:32 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Help with the KX3 and FT8
In-Reply-To: <9FE6C513-0177-4089-83A0-83D1E14C44C1@yahoo.com>
References: <9FE6C513-0177-4089-83A0-83D1E14C44C1.ref@yahoo.com>
	<9FE6C513-0177-4089-83A0-83D1E14C44C1@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CALuSmOc+wBzfteF2o7jCQRFJQt1ouXzBObpFxk=UXEHo3HR4bQ@mail.gmail.com>

Using FT8 with the KX3 is pretty simple.  I've used it with both the
standard USB and USB DATA A mode.  Hook it up just like any other digital
mode, adjust the volume on the rig and level out on the PC, look at the
meter settings in the software and make contacts.

Don't make it more complicated than it is - try it, adjust, and have fun.

On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 4:55 PM Alan Geller via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> With FT8 coming on strong as a popular communications and testing tool, it
> is
> tempting to dedicate your KX3 to this mode for a slice of time each day.
> There has been little to no
> update info for the KX3 with popular sound card interfaces (eg Signalink)
> as well as suggested
> settings for the KX3 and WTSJ-x itself. A little info would be very much
> appreciated from Elecraft or a crafty
> experienced user. Thanks in advance. alan?.K6ADG
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From wilton.paul at gmail.com  Sat Mar  6 02:45:05 2021
From: wilton.paul at gmail.com (Paul Wilton)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2021 07:45:05 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Setting AF filter via CAT
Message-ID: <9A0AF20E-3970-4C1E-8133-1D892B489B75@gmail.com>

I?m looking at how to change the AF filter setting on my K2 via CAT commands from N1MM+.  I have the KDSP2 unit fitted

The use case I have is that I want to use the spare radio buttons on the N1MM+ band map window to set up two configurations whilst CW contesting
a)	XFIL 2 + CF2 (ie a wide setting)
b) 	XFIL 4 + CF4 (ie a narrow setting)

All I can do on N1MM+ is put in a string of commands, I cannot do anything that sends a command that changes dynamically to a response from the radio

Looking in the programming guide, I can see how to change XFIL using the FW command.  However, the only way I can see to change the AF filter is via the SW command which is the equivalent of the AF button cycling through the settings.   

Is there another way I have overlooked that can set the AF settings to a specific value?

73

Paul
M1CNK

From pvandyke1953 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  6 11:08:51 2021
From: pvandyke1953 at gmail.com (Paul Van Dyke)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2021 11:08:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 75 Meter Elecraft Net - Sunday
Message-ID: <CAEPKcUkFtfJtAzsM2MNqjAL46qECDVDaR9jfXWVKG-KB7R7i5Q@mail.gmail.com>

Due to people wishing to sit next to us and throw carriers ...
    Please take note of 3.825 .... 3.825 at 01:00 UTC
AND there is the chance someone will be there ... 75m is funny that way
IF you don't hear us, we hide in the open spots

    Please take note of 3.825 .... 3.825 at 01:00 UTC
Sunday night in the US and Monday morning in UTC Land
Keep smiling and be safe
"See" you on the Nets

73   Paul Van Dyke   KB9AVO

From wb0poq at gmail.com  Sat Mar  6 12:35:20 2021
From: wb0poq at gmail.com (Bob Liesen)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2021 11:35:20 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Offset when in SSB+CW on a KX2
Message-ID: <CAO9_kpi9up=xLDUE4njYE3PyBgSG6LrN1pTXFE8ZLiJKgKUaqw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi gang,
  Still learning about my KX2.  One thing I think I screwed up while
struggling with getting digital mode A set up is the offset when running
SSB+CW mode.  I like setting the radio to USB on 20m for instance, and then
using a key for TX.  I like the wider RX bandwidth offered in USB on RX.
 However, now when I tune in a CW station, and call him, it seems I am
quite a ways off his RX frequency.  Any thoughts?

Tnx!
Bob  WB0POQ

From julia at juliatuttle.net  Sat Mar  6 12:52:11 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2021 12:52:11 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Offset when in SSB+CW on a KX2
In-Reply-To: <CAO9_kpi9up=xLDUE4njYE3PyBgSG6LrN1pTXFE8ZLiJKgKUaqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO9_kpi9up=xLDUE4njYE3PyBgSG6LrN1pTXFE8ZLiJKgKUaqw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrNC+wFVakCovrEkSNm3B4YpmuFh7ULOwSomPHh6XmewMQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, that will happen.

In CW mode, the rig "lines up" the VFO frequency and your sidetone.

In USB mode, the rig uses the VFO frequency as the "edge" of the sideband,
and if you hear or send at your sidetone, you'll have to add that to the
VFO frequency to get the actual frequency of the CW signal. If you tune the
other station to match your sidetone and then call her, you *should* still
end up coming back on the same frequency -- it just won't be what's on your
screen.

If you want to make the math easier, you could set your sidetone to 500 Hz.
You might also try CW mode with the filter wide open, but it still tops out
at 2800 Hz instead of 4000 Hz, so it might not be wide enough for your
taste.

On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 12:37 PM Bob Liesen <wb0poq at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi gang,
>   Still learning about my KX2.  One thing I think I screwed up while
> struggling with getting digital mode A set up is the offset when running
> SSB+CW mode.  I like setting the radio to USB on 20m for instance, and then
> using a key for TX.  I like the wider RX bandwidth offered in USB on RX.
>  However, now when I tune in a CW station, and call him, it seems I am
> quite a ways off his RX frequency.  Any thoughts?
>
> Tnx!
> Bob  WB0POQ
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From julia at juliatuttle.net  Sat Mar  6 13:17:51 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2021 13:17:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Offset when in SSB+CW on a KX2
In-Reply-To: <CAO9_kpj6D1DLoX87Qd+HWRVpizpHMzqxzF8Ykj6Eygv1iS+i9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO9_kpi9up=xLDUE4njYE3PyBgSG6LrN1pTXFE8ZLiJKgKUaqw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEVEBrNC+wFVakCovrEkSNm3B4YpmuFh7ULOwSomPHh6XmewMQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO9_kpj6D1DLoX87Qd+HWRVpizpHMzqxzF8Ykj6Eygv1iS+i9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrNGBKZk8VuQiCBch8QPvobX5oT60r9vmg6kpQQ0DL4XeQ@mail.gmail.com>

You're right -- the CW-in-SSB offset *is* the sidetone, which can be set
with PITCH. There's no separate setting, and also no way to turn it off.

If you're curious what you're putting out on the air, you may be able to
find a nearby kiwisdr to monitor your signal at http://rx.linkfanel.net/.

On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 1:08 PM Bob Liesen <wb0poq at gmail.com> wrote:

> Julia,
>   Thanks for the quick response.  So is there an operator adjustable
> setting that controls the TX RF frequency when I close the key when in USB
> mode?  At first I thought the "pitch" menu setting was it, but now I'm not
> so sure.  Tooooooo many menus!!  ??
> Bob WB0POQ
>
> On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 11:52 AM Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, that will happen.
>>
>> In CW mode, the rig "lines up" the VFO frequency and your sidetone.
>>
>> In USB mode, the rig uses the VFO frequency as the "edge" of the
>> sideband, and if you hear or send at your sidetone, you'll have to add that
>> to the VFO frequency to get the actual frequency of the CW signal. If you
>> tune the other station to match your sidetone and then call her, you
>> *should* still end up coming back on the same frequency -- it just won't be
>> what's on your screen.
>>
>> If you want to make the math easier, you could set your sidetone to 500
>> Hz. You might also try CW mode with the filter wide open, but it still tops
>> out at 2800 Hz instead of 4000 Hz, so it might not be wide enough for your
>> taste.
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 12:37 PM Bob Liesen <wb0poq at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi gang,
>>>   Still learning about my KX2.  One thing I think I screwed up while
>>> struggling with getting digital mode A set up is the offset when running
>>> SSB+CW mode.  I like setting the radio to USB on 20m for instance, and
>>> then
>>> using a key for TX.  I like the wider RX bandwidth offered in USB on RX.
>>>  However, now when I tune in a CW station, and call him, it seems I am
>>> quite a ways off his RX frequency.  Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> Tnx!
>>> Bob  WB0POQ
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>>
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>>

From k4aen at me.com  Sat Mar  6 13:44:56 2021
From: k4aen at me.com (Tom Morehouse)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2021 13:44:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex key collectible on eBay
Message-ID: <16742E8E-8CB4-4E07-A2F6-AAF3A622668A@me.com>

	I have one I will part with for half that ?$200.

73,

Tom 
K4AEN

From idarack at gmail.com  Sat Mar  6 14:06:40 2021
From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin KD3TB)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2021 14:06:40 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Programs for KPA500 & KAT500
Message-ID: <CAGC7P255w5W4snEwb8AUooU5Fo=NWe1pLzRA6coanC=SJmwM2w@mail.gmail.com>

In addition to the KPA500 & KAT500 Utilities, are there any remote programs
that can control the amp and tuner remotely either through the USB port or
an Internet connection?

Thanks,  Irwin KD3TB

From idarack at gmail.com  Sat Mar  6 14:18:24 2021
From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin KD3TB)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2021 14:18:24 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Programs for KPA500 & KAT500
In-Reply-To: <CAGC7P255w5W4snEwb8AUooU5Fo=NWe1pLzRA6coanC=SJmwM2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGC7P255w5W4snEwb8AUooU5Fo=NWe1pLzRA6coanC=SJmwM2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGC7P26+Cxaf-1=76MB00y8-U6i6ZiFp+YreNNUk=+vY6t0J5w@mail.gmail.com>

Found the programs and user manuals

On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 2:06 PM Irwin KD3TB <idarack at gmail.com> wrote:

> In addition to the KPA500 & KAT500 Utilities, are there any remote
> programs that can control the amp and tuner remotely either through the USB
> port or an Internet connection?
>
> Thanks,  Irwin KD3TB
>


-- 
Irwin KD3TB

From W1RM at Comcast.net  Sat Mar  6 14:27:22 2021
From: W1RM at Comcast.net (Peter Chamalian)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2021 14:27:22 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Code to Command DVK
Message-ID: <030801d712be$bbe0b130$33a21390$@Comcast.net>

I'm looking for some code that I can write into an N1MM macro that will
trigger playing one of the 4 memories in a K3S.  I've looked in the
programmer reference manual but I'm not finding any command to do that.

 

Any suggestions?

 

 

Pete Chamalian, W1RM

W1rm at comcast.net

 


From julia at juliatuttle.net  Sat Mar  6 14:30:06 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2021 14:30:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Programs for KPA500 & KAT500
In-Reply-To: <CAGC7P26+Cxaf-1=76MB00y8-U6i6ZiFp+YreNNUk=+vY6t0J5w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGC7P255w5W4snEwb8AUooU5Fo=NWe1pLzRA6coanC=SJmwM2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGC7P26+Cxaf-1=76MB00y8-U6i6ZiFp+YreNNUk=+vY6t0J5w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrP8V9ntMnxCwA2MMeXzSBLRBwOJ2a3DoV8AMeDWFqfxGA@mail.gmail.com>

Would you mind sharing the link with the lists, in case someone else is
looking for them?

On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 2:20 PM Irwin KD3TB <idarack at gmail.com> wrote:

> Found the programs and user manuals
>
> On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 2:06 PM Irwin KD3TB <idarack at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In addition to the KPA500 & KAT500 Utilities, are there any remote
> > programs that can control the amp and tuner remotely either through the
> USB
> > port or an Internet connection?
> >
> > Thanks,  Irwin KD3TB
> >
>
>
> --
> Irwin KD3TB
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From jim at n7us.net  Sat Mar  6 14:37:50 2021
From: jim at n7us.net (Jim McDonald)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2021 19:37:50 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] [N1MM+] Code to Command DVK
In-Reply-To: <030801d712be$bbe0b130$33a21390$@Comcast.net>
References: <030801d712be$bbe0b130$33a21390$@Comcast.net>
Message-ID: <SN6PR17MB20632BF603E2E9AE5B6D285F9A959@SN6PR17MB2063.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Pete,

It's in the N1MM documentation.

F1 CQ,{CATA1ASC SWT21;}
F2 Exch,{CATA1ASC SWT31;}
F3 TU,{CATA1ASC SWT35;}
F4 {MYCALL},{CATA1ASC SWT39:}

73,  Jim N7US

From: N1MMLoggerPlus at groups.io <N1MMLoggerPlus at groups.io> On Behalf Of Pete W1RM via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 6, 2021 13:27
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net; N1MMLoggerPlus at groups.io
Subject: [N1MM+] Code to Command DVK

I'm looking for some code that I can write into an N1MM macro that will trigger playing one of the 4 memories in a K3S.  I've looked in the programmer reference manual but I'm not finding any command to do that.

Any suggestions?


Pete Chamalian, W1RM
W1rm at comcast.net<mailto:W1rm at comcast.net>
_._,_._,_

From rwnewbould at comcast.net  Sat Mar  6 15:35:02 2021
From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2021 15:35:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Code to Command DVK
In-Reply-To: <030801d712be$bbe0b130$33a21390$@Comcast.net>
References: <030801d712be$bbe0b130$33a21390$@Comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6722078c-8870-ba2d-f241-e9e9306f95e1@comcast.net>

https://www.dseven.org/ar/n1mm-kdvr3

See if the info at the above link helps.

On 3/6/2021 14:27 PM, Peter Chamalian wrote:
> I'm looking for some code that I can write into an N1MM macro that will
> trigger playing one of the 4 memories in a K3S.  I've looked in the
> programmer reference manual but I'm not finding any command to do that.
>
>   
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>   
>
>   
>
> Pete Chamalian, W1RM
>
> W1rm at comcast.net
>
>   
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From sashangus at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  6 18:31:35 2021
From: sashangus at yahoo.com (Robert Brown)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2021 18:31:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KRX3A for sale (new synth) - $635/shipped
References: <9F34DCE1-D1ED-4D0F-802C-62D678091BAF.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9F34DCE1-D1ED-4D0F-802C-62D678091BAF@yahoo.com>

Late last year I purchased this off another amateur on the list (an accomplished contester) but my plans have changed and I never installed this.  This subreceiver has the new synthesizer & 2.8 and 400Khz eight pole filters plus all installation hardware except for the little ring pad that cushions the top-mounted speaker (available from Elecraft).  Shipped CONUS, $635. Bob Brown, N1CVX

Sent from my iPad

From rocketnj at gmail.com  Sun Mar  7 10:29:37 2021
From: rocketnj at gmail.com (rocketnj at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 10:29:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Programs for KPA500 & KAT500
In-Reply-To: <CAGC7P255w5W4snEwb8AUooU5Fo=NWe1pLzRA6coanC=SJmwM2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGC7P255w5W4snEwb8AUooU5Fo=NWe1pLzRA6coanC=SJmwM2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006401d71366$af93a600$0ebaf200$@gmail.com>

Node Red. Runs on a Raspberry Pi connected locally to amp and tuner then
control and monitor available from a web browser, both locally and remote.
Access remotely can be secured to prevent unauthorized access.

Irwin, I am planning a demo of Node Red to FRC club on one of the informal
Tuesday evening meetings.

73
Dave wo2x


-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Irwin KD3TB
Sent: Saturday, March 6, 2021 2:07 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Elecraft-K3 at groups.io
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Programs for KPA500 & KAT500

In addition to the KPA500 & KAT500 Utilities, are there any remote programs
that can control the amp and tuner remotely either through the USB port or
an Internet connection?

Thanks,  Irwin KD3TB
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From paul.gacek at me.com  Sun Mar  7 12:58:57 2021
From: paul.gacek at me.com (Paul GACEK)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 09:58:57 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone received any updates/status of K3 boards etc from
	Elecraft?
Message-ID: <D8C31B7D-89BA-45A5-A71C-AD4D1D03ECB5@me.com>

Has anyone received any information from Elecraft about a timeframe for availability of boards such as the KSYN3A?

I heard indirectly that Elecraft might be reaching out to interested parties in early February but clearly that didn't include me!

Paul
W6PNG
www.nomadic.blog <http://www.nomadic.blog/>

From sashangus at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  7 13:07:31 2021
From: sashangus at yahoo.com (Robert Brown)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 13:07:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KRX3A for sale (new synth) - $635/shipped - SOLD
References: <86090F46-33CA-452D-A477-41F1641C0FE5.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <86090F46-33CA-452D-A477-41F1641C0FE5@yahoo.com>

Thanks - there appears to be a continuing market for subreceivers.

Bob Brown, N1CVX 

Sent from my iPad

From julia at juliatuttle.net  Sun Mar  7 14:01:07 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 14:01:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Offset when in SSB+CW on a KX2
In-Reply-To: <CAO9_kph_CUF3ARa-+MpFh0d-nZFhkNZKkyadZ8fnGaexViubcg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO9_kpi9up=xLDUE4njYE3PyBgSG6LrN1pTXFE8ZLiJKgKUaqw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEVEBrNC+wFVakCovrEkSNm3B4YpmuFh7ULOwSomPHh6XmewMQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO9_kpj6D1DLoX87Qd+HWRVpizpHMzqxzF8Ykj6Eygv1iS+i9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEVEBrNGBKZk8VuQiCBch8QPvobX5oT60r9vmg6kpQQ0DL4XeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO9_kph_CUF3ARa-+MpFh0d-nZFhkNZKkyadZ8fnGaexViubcg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrNH3UcsYd3KLTJsYB2HciG7AabtJD4a3u+0Mxvt+bfySg@mail.gmail.com>

Nope, it just lets you tune VFO A in coarse steps, even if the VFO A knob
is set to 1 or 10 Hz steps.

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 10:12 Bob Liesen <wb0poq at gmail.com> wrote:

> Julia,
>   It appears you have a good understanding of this little rig.  One thing
> I have looked for is an explanation of what the knob labeled "9" does when
> the OFS light is lit.  It appears to do the same as the main tuning knob,
> but I suspect it is more than that.
>
> Thanks!
> Bob
>
> On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 12:18 PM Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net>
> wrote:
>
>> You're right -- the CW-in-SSB offset *is* the sidetone, which can be set
>> with PITCH. There's no separate setting, and also no way to turn it off.
>>
>> If you're curious what you're putting out on the air, you may be able to
>> find a nearby kiwisdr to monitor your signal at http://rx.linkfanel.net/.
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 1:08 PM Bob Liesen <wb0poq at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Julia,
>>>   Thanks for the quick response.  So is there an operator adjustable
>>> setting that controls the TX RF frequency when I close the key when in USB
>>> mode?  At first I thought the "pitch" menu setting was it, but now I'm not
>>> so sure.  Tooooooo many menus!!  ??
>>> Bob WB0POQ
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 11:52 AM Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, that will happen.
>>>>
>>>> In CW mode, the rig "lines up" the VFO frequency and your sidetone.
>>>>
>>>> In USB mode, the rig uses the VFO frequency as the "edge" of the
>>>> sideband, and if you hear or send at your sidetone, you'll have to add that
>>>> to the VFO frequency to get the actual frequency of the CW signal. If you
>>>> tune the other station to match your sidetone and then call her, you
>>>> *should* still end up coming back on the same frequency -- it just won't be
>>>> what's on your screen.
>>>>
>>>> If you want to make the math easier, you could set your sidetone to 500
>>>> Hz. You might also try CW mode with the filter wide open, but it still tops
>>>> out at 2800 Hz instead of 4000 Hz, so it might not be wide enough for your
>>>> taste.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 12:37 PM Bob Liesen <wb0poq at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi gang,
>>>>>   Still learning about my KX2.  One thing I think I screwed up while
>>>>> struggling with getting digital mode A set up is the offset when
>>>>> running
>>>>> SSB+CW mode.  I like setting the radio to USB on 20m for instance, and
>>>>> then
>>>>> using a key for TX.  I like the wider RX bandwidth offered in USB on
>>>>> RX.
>>>>>  However, now when I tune in a CW station, and call him, it seems I am
>>>>> quite a ways off his RX frequency.  Any thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Tnx!
>>>>> Bob  WB0POQ
>>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>>>>
>>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>>>> Message delivered to julia at juliatuttle.net
>>>>>
>>>>

From vfo77 at inkbox.net  Sun Mar  7 16:31:39 2021
From: vfo77 at inkbox.net (Frank O'Donnell)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 13:31:39 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone received any updates/status of K3 boards etc
 from Elecraft?
In-Reply-To: <D8C31B7D-89BA-45A5-A71C-AD4D1D03ECB5@me.com>
References: <D8C31B7D-89BA-45A5-A71C-AD4D1D03ECB5@me.com>
Message-ID: <5c7ef5a6-4f00-d48c-f0fd-cc861d91842b@inkbox.net>

Paul, I've been on the interest list for one of the other options. I 
emailed Elecraft Support recently asking about status. I got a response 
a couple of day ago that they are finalizing pricing with their vendor. 
When that's complete, they will email those on the interest list with 
information on how to place orders.

Frank K6FOD


On 3/7/21 9:58 AM, Paul GACEK via Elecraft wrote:
> Has anyone received any information from Elecraft about a timeframe for availability of boards such as the KSYN3A?
>
> I heard indirectly that Elecraft might be reaching out to interested parties in early February but clearly that didn't include me!
>
> Paul
> W6PNG
> www.nomadic.blog <http://www.nomadic.blog/>
>


From justin at w5jwp.org  Sun Mar  7 16:53:19 2021
From: justin at w5jwp.org (Justin Pauler (W5JWP))
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 21:53:19 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 For Sale
Message-ID: <D9A02071-C6F8-4FDF-AFF9-69BB0BBEF016@w5jwp.org>

All,

I have a KX3 for sale:


  *   KX3 160-6M All Mode Transceiver SN: 114xx
     *   Factory Assembled
     *   KXFL3 KX3 Dual-Passband Roofing Filter
     *   KXAT3 20-Watt Internal Automatic Antenna Tuner
     *   KXBC3 Battery Charger
     *   KX3-2M Module
     *   MH3 Hand Mic
     *   ES80 Carrying Case
  *   SideKX Front Cover
  *   CoolerKX Heatsink
  *   Keyer Paddle Cover
  *   Original manuals and box
  *   Elecraft KX-Line (Fred Cady) Book
  *   KXUSB Computer Cable
  *   KX3 Allen Wrench
  *   Factory Power Cable

Asking $1200.

Ships to US addresses only, buyer pays shipping and insurance. Will not ship USPS.
Payment via PayPal required. Pictures available on request.

Thought I would try this forum before posting on FleaBay. Please contact off-list: justin ? at ? w5jwp.org.

Thanks,
Justin

From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Mar  7 17:49:38 2021
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 14:49:38 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Late Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <9cd03061-2841-1fd9-ab95-c9305d60dda1@coho.net>

Sorry for this being so late. I had sent it last night but from the 
wrong email account.? With Thunderbird you are not always sure from 
which account you are sending.? Oops.

Good Evening,

It is time to prepare for migration season.? I scan a few bird books to 
memorize identifying marks.? Birds normally appear in low contrast 
locations, looking little like they do in photos. Habitat and behavior 
let you narrow your choices, but I find the best method is to learn 
their calls.? Even if you don't see them you can mark them off your life 
list.

A good source of bird songs is the Cornell Lab of Ornithology. They have 
quite a list of Eastern songbirds as well as other species.? This is the 
same lab which developed Spectrogram; the program many? of us used to 
adjust our K2 filters.? I need to find a similar site for the Western 
part of the continent.? Many species pass through on their way to Alaska 
and Canada.? I only see them one or two days a year.? It is my best time 
for spotting a new one.

Now to gather a goodly number of their recordings, and start listening.? 
Much like CW, it takes practice to learn more species' songs and calls.? 
Some birds make ten to twenty different sounds. There are a few which 
can only be differentiated by their calls; the species look exactly the 
same.

The sun has a fading spot and some solar wind flowing.? Low flux 
readings with a feeble auroral oval.? Propagation may be weak, but the 
noise should be less.? Listening for faint bird calls in the forest is 
much like this However, that is why we do these nets. Learn about 
propagation and break the enforced containment of the age.? Hopefully 
spring will bring improvement in both areas.

Please join us tomorrow on:

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday? (2 PM PST Sunday)
 ?7047 kHz at 0000z Monday? (4 PM PST Sunday)

73,

 ?? Kevin. KD5ONS




-


Thus conscience does make cowards of us all,
and thus the native hue of Resolution
Is sicklied o'er, with the pale cast of Thought,
And enterprises of great pitch and moment,
with this regard their Currents turn awry,
And lose the name of Action.


From huntinhmb at coastside.net  Sun Mar  7 18:21:37 2021
From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 15:21:37 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Late Elecraft CW Net Announcement
In-Reply-To: <9cd03061-2841-1fd9-ab95-c9305d60dda1@coho.net>
References: <9cd03061-2841-1fd9-ab95-c9305d60dda1@coho.net>
Message-ID: <52349C74-119A-48AC-9DB4-C96B39D13B6E@coastside.net>

Cornell Labs puts out a really nice iPhone app called Merlin which includes regional databases, a search ladder to narrow down what you are trying to identify, photos and audio recordings and a brief description. We use it on hikes all the time to ID and try to call the birds we see. Great fun. 

73,
Brian, K0DTJ

> On Mar 7, 2021, at 14:51, kevinr <kevinr at coho.net> wrote:
> 
> It is time to prepare for migration season.  I scan a few bird books to memorize identifying marks.  Birds normally appear in low contrast locations, looking little like they do in photos. Habitat and behavior let you narrow your choices, but I find the best method is to learn their calls.  Even if you don't see them you can mark them off your life list.
> 
> A good source of bird songs is the Cornell Lab of Ornithology. They have quite a list of Eastern songbirds as well as other species.  This is the same lab which developed Spectrogram; the program many  of us used to adjust our K2 filters.  I need to find a similar site for the Western part of the continent.  Many species pass through on their way to Alaska and Canada.  I only see them one or two days a year.  It is my best time for spotting a new one.
> 
> Now to gather a goodly number of their recordings, and start listening.  Much like CW, it takes practice to learn more species' songs and calls.  Some birds make ten to twenty different sounds. There are a few which can only be differentiated by their calls; the species look exactly the same.


From julia at juliatuttle.net  Sun Mar  7 19:20:25 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 19:20:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock accuracy?
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrMfzZ5eg38Gy9DPCYMFS+XOALNmfTTRe1UxcDNNvERUpg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

How accurate do folks find the RTC on the KXBC3 is? Mine seems to be
gaining a second or so a day and I want to know if this is within the
expected accuracy.

Thanks,

Julie

From justin at w5jwp.org  Sun Mar  7 19:30:41 2021
From: justin at w5jwp.org (Justin Pauler (W5JWP))
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 00:30:41 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 For Sale (Sold)
Message-ID: <0E5513B6-6E82-4AD5-89A5-BE06A117C5A5@pauler.org>

All,

The KX3 has sold. Thank you to all who inquired.

73,
Justin

From: "Justin Pauler (W5JWP)" <justin at w5jwp.org>
Date: Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 15:53
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: KX3 For Sale

All,

I have a KX3 for sale:


  *   KX3 160-6M All Mode Transceiver SN: 114xx
     *   Factory Assembled
     *   KXFL3 KX3 Dual-Passband Roofing Filter
     *   KXAT3 20-Watt Internal Automatic Antenna Tuner
     *   KXBC3 Battery Charger
     *   KX3-2M Module
     *   MH3 Hand Mic
     *   ES80 Carrying Case
  *   SideKX Front Cover
  *   CoolerKX Heatsink
  *   Keyer Paddle Cover
  *   Original manuals and box
  *   Elecraft KX-Line (Fred Cady) Book
  *   KXUSB Computer Cable
  *   KX3 Allen Wrench
  *   Factory Power Cable

Asking $1200.

Ships to US addresses only, buyer pays shipping and insurance. Will not ship USPS.
Payment via PayPal required. Pictures available on request.

Thought I would try this forum before posting on FleaBay. Please contact off-list: justin ? at ? w5jwp.org.

Thanks,
Justin

From julia at juliatuttle.net  Sun Mar  7 19:38:49 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 19:38:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock accuracy?
In-Reply-To: <1272860969.1012324.1615163766650@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAEVEBrMfzZ5eg38Gy9DPCYMFS+XOALNmfTTRe1UxcDNNvERUpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1272860969.1012324.1615163766650@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrP3ZMHbHqqL97oe0QL0G5y=a9Y_hntjOeqZY3eEm_UPug@mail.gmail.com>

That seems fine -- if I use it, it'll be for logging (I keep it in UTC so I
don't have to do math), not anything more precise. Thanks for the info.

73,

Julie

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 7:36 PM Raymond Sills <raysills3 at verizon.net> wrote:

> Hi Julie:
>
> From what I've read and what I've experienced with my KX3, that gain of 1
> second or so per day is about what I've noticed.  I generally reset the
> clock before going out in the field.  I have not used my KX3 (yet) with FT8
> or any digital modes that depend on a highly accurate clock, so I just use
> the rig clock for manual logging.   And even then, it's as easy to use my
> cell phone for time of day.
>
> I think pretty soon we will see more rigs with an included GPS receiver
> for super accurate time.
>
> 73 and QSH de Ray    K2ULR
> KX3 #211
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net>
> To: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Sun, Mar 7, 2021 7:20 pm
> Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock accuracy?
>
> Hi,
>
> How accurate do folks find the RTC on the KXBC3 is? Mine seems to be
> gaining a second or so a day and I want to know if this is within the
> expected accuracy.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Julie
> ______________________________________________________________
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From pvandyke1953 at gmail.com  Sun Mar  7 19:42:31 2021
From: pvandyke1953 at gmail.com (Paul Van Dyke)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 19:42:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 75 Meter Elecraft Net - Sunday
In-Reply-To: <CAEPKcUkFtfJtAzsM2MNqjAL46qECDVDaR9jfXWVKG-KB7R7i5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPKcUkFtfJtAzsM2MNqjAL46qECDVDaR9jfXWVKG-KB7R7i5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPKcUnTQFPQhQ0zWE7X-ae_Z5dPCZdNOHJ2mUAo88Xv0JGipg@mail.gmail.com>

and the frequency is busy
    Please take note of 3.815 .... 3.815 at 01:00 UTC
AND there is the chance someone will be there ... 75m is funny that way
IF you don't hear us, we hide in the open spots

    Please take note of 3.815 .... 3.815 at 01:00 UTC
Sunday night in the US and Monday morning in UTC Land
Keep smiling and be safe
"See" you on the Nets

73   Paul Van Dyke   KB9AVO

On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 11:08 AM Paul Van Dyke <pvandyke1953 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Due to people wishing to sit next to us and throw carriers ...
>     Please take note of 3.825 .... 3.825 at 01:00 UTC
> AND there is the chance someone will be there ... 75m is funny that way
> IF you don't hear us, we hide in the open spots
>
>     Please take note of 3.825 .... 3.825 at 01:00 UTC
> Sunday night in the US and Monday morning in UTC Land
> Keep smiling and be safe
> "See" you on the Nets
>
> 73   Paul Van Dyke   KB9AVO
>

From kk5f at earthlink.net  Sun Mar  7 20:18:00 2021
From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 19:18:00 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock accuracy?
Message-ID: <2014359074.5403.1615166281459@wamui-esmeralda.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

The accuracy and features of KX2 and KX3 RTCs are not good.  What you report is likely better than typical.  This is in spite of the use of a full-featured clock/calendar RTC chip.

I have never figured out how a $10 Casio watch will often gain or lose less than two seconds per month, yet Elecraft RTCs are exceptional if they perform that well after a single day.

I also don't understand why Elecraft RTCs don't use a 2032 cell capable of keeping them alive for many months with external power removed.

The Elecraft RTC is essentially a "token" RTC from which not much should be expected.

Mike / KK5F

-----Original Message-----
>From: Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net>
>Sent: Mar 7, 2021 6:20 PM
>To: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock accuracy?
>
>Hi,
>
>How accurate do folks find the RTC on the KXBC3 is? Mine seems to be
>gaining a second or so a day and I want to know if this is within the
>expected accuracy.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Julie

From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sun Mar  7 20:33:02 2021
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2021 16:33:02 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: MFJ-269B
Message-ID: <202103080134.1281YITJ011085@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>

Thought maybe someone on the list might be interested.
Used for several years but fully functional.  450 KHz to 170 MHz and 
420 to 470 MHz.
$200 and free shipping within the USA.  Write me off list for details.
<http://www.kl7uw.com/MFJ-269B_500KHz_Mod.htm>Modification of 
MFJ-269B to 500-KHz (kl7uw.com)
I bought a new MFJ-269D so no longer needed.

73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 

From n4zr at comcast.net  Sun Mar  7 20:55:51 2021
From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 20:55:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone received any updates/status of K3 boards etc
 from Elecraft?
In-Reply-To: <5c7ef5a6-4f00-d48c-f0fd-cc861d91842b@inkbox.net>
References: <D8C31B7D-89BA-45A5-A71C-AD4D1D03ECB5@me.com>
	<5c7ef5a6-4f00-d48c-f0fd-cc861d91842b@inkbox.net>
Message-ID: <8023dcc2-c624-d05d-f0f8-68fe42935de3@comcast.net>

This squares with what I was told by e-mail a couple of days ago

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
web server at <http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

On 3/7/2021 4:31 PM, Frank O'Donnell wrote:
> Paul, I've been on the interest list for one of the other options. I 
> emailed Elecraft Support recently asking about status. I got a 
> response a couple of day ago that they are finalizing pricing with 
> their vendor. When that's complete, they will email those on the 
> interest list with information on how to place orders.
>
> Frank K6FOD
>
>
> On 3/7/21 9:58 AM, Paul GACEK via Elecraft wrote:
>> Has anyone received any information from Elecraft about a timeframe 
>> for availability of boards such as the KSYN3A?
>>
>> I heard indirectly that Elecraft might be reaching out to interested 
>> parties in early February but clearly that didn't include me!
>>
>> Paul
>> W6PNG
>> www.nomadic.blog <http://www.nomadic.blog/>
>>
>
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From kj7soy at gmail.com  Sun Mar  7 21:18:03 2021
From: kj7soy at gmail.com (KJ7SOY)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 18:18:03 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for K3 TMP cables
Message-ID: <A56A5208-0E82-4F4E-96D1-AC2853188F81@gmail.com>

Hi all!

I have a K3 (serial #00746) I got at auction as bagged parts in a cardboard box. It?s got the four TMP cables required for the KRX3 subreceiver (which is included) but it?s missing the three TMP cables that come with the original kit (part #E100282). Before I go ordering them from Elecraft I thought I?d check and see if anyone had a spare set they?d be willing to sell. 

Thanks!
73
-Adrian


From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Mar  7 22:19:49 2021
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 19:19:49 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <257cacbb-7bbc-3396-2c58-a5a536ca91bd@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? As I had suspected the bands were not too good.? I was getting 
reports of QSB but experiencing none myself.? Noise was a little higher 
but signals were not.? I am not sure where twenty meters was landing 
since neither Ken nor Steve found me without repetitions.? I tried both 
antennas to vary my pattern.? Then I replied on whichever received better.


 ? On 14050 kHz at 2200z:

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K4JPN - Steve - GA


 ? On 7047.5 kHz at 0000z:

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

K6PJV - Dale - CA


 From this sparse sampling I had the worst weather.? Hail, snow, sleet, 
rain, and fog.? It did get sunny before the second net but the rest of 
the week will bring more snow.


 ? Until next week 73,

 ????? Kevin.? KD5ONS




-




You know not even the coastal villages was safe from
them big clams. You know them big clams had an inland
range of about 15 miles. Think of that. I mean our
early pioneers and the settlers built little houses
all up and down the coast you know. A little inland
and stuff like that And they didn't have houses like
we got now, with bathrooms and stuff. They built little
privies out back. And late at night, maybe a kid would
have to go, and he'd go stomping out there in the
moonlight. And all they'd hear for miles around...
/[loud clap/belch]/....one less kid for America. One more
smiling, smurking, humungus giant clam.? -- in the key of A





From daveingeb at comcast.net  Mon Mar  8 10:42:08 2021
From: daveingeb at comcast.net (daveingeb at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 08:42:08 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 Unreliable Tuning
Message-ID: <85289822.113195.1615218128277@connect.xfinity.com>

Over the past six months my KAT500 autotune function has deteriorated to the point where I am getting frustrated. The KAT tuner is connected to a G5RV via 75' of  RG-8 coax and is fed from a KPA-500 which is fed from a Kenwood TS480. I switch between between barefoot and amplified transmissions. Upon application of a  40 watt tune, the tuner appears to find a suitable solution but when the power is raised to over 100W, the amplifier faults to a high SWR, some bands, but not always repeatable. The antenna and feedline have been inspected and all OK. If I change bands sometimes it works at higher powers and sometimes not. Other times it cannot find a solution on some bands and other bands are OK, low power or amplified. If I cycle the power to the KAT500, it is OK for a while and then it has trouble again. The problem appears intermittent. Wondering if anyone has had this same problem. 
Thanks de dave WB7ELY

From wa2lbi at gmail.com  Mon Mar  8 10:54:07 2021
From: wa2lbi at gmail.com (wa2lbi at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2021 10:54:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 Unreliable Tuning
Message-ID: <55r0fhi3i5fjjetcobo6na1j.1615218756468@email.lge.com>

Try your tests using a dummy load to remove the antenna from the troubleshooting effort. ??Ken?WA2LBI?LG G6?------ Original message------From: daveingeb at comcast.netDate: Mon, Mar 8, 2021 10:43To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net;Cc: Subject:[Elecraft] KAT-500 Unreliable TuningOver the past six months my KAT500 autotune function has deteriorated to the point where I am getting frustrated. The KAT tuner is connected to a G5RV via 75' of  RG-8 coax and is fed from a KPA-500 which is fed from a Kenwood TS480. I switch between between barefoot and amplified transmissions. Upon application of a  40 watt tune, the tuner appears to find a suitable solution but when the power is raised to over 100W, the amplifier faults to a high SWR, some bands, but not always repeatable. The antenna and feedline have been inspected and all OK. If I change bands sometimes it works at higher powers and sometimes not. Other times it cannot find a solution on some bands and other bands are OK, low power or amplified.
 If I cycle the power to the KAT500, it is OK for a while and then it has trouble again. The problem appears intermittent. Wondering if anyone has had this same problem. 
Thanks de dave WB7ELY
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From rmdewan at gmail.com  Mon Mar  8 12:07:19 2021
From: rmdewan at gmail.com (Rajiv Dewan)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 12:07:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 Unreliable Tuning
In-Reply-To: <85289822.113195.1615218128277@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <85289822.113195.1615218128277@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <AA29BA19-94AF-45AB-82D8-49A779C0DB42@gmail.com>

I had a similar issue with my KAT500.  I opened it up and the problem was obvious: there are two green 12g wire bridges that cross. (You can see them in this image: (kat500_inside_500_530x at 2x.jpg <https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2029/4979/products/kat500_inside_500_530x at 2x.jpg?v=1536760566>. You can see one end of the longer green wire near the big red toroid.) There had been arcing between them.  My guess is that they arced at higher power levels. I replaced them with slightly longer wires and bent them to create more clearance.  That solved my problem.

I recommend taking taking the cover off and taking a look.  The problem may be obvious as it was for me.

Raj, N2RD

> On Mar 8, 2021, at 10:42 AM, daveingeb at comcast.net wrote:
> 
> Over the past six months my KAT500 autotune function has deteriorated to the point where I am getting frustrated. The KAT tuner is connected to a G5RV via 75' of  RG-8 coax and is fed from a KPA-500 which is fed from a Kenwood TS480. I switch between between barefoot and amplified transmissions. Upon application of a  40 watt tune, the tuner appears to find a suitable solution but when the power is raised to over 100W, the amplifier faults to a high SWR, some bands, but not always repeatable. The antenna and feedline have been inspected and all OK. If I change bands sometimes it works at higher powers and sometimes not. Other times it cannot find a solution on some bands and other bands are OK, low power or amplified. If I cycle the power to the KAT500, it is OK for a while and then it has trouble again. The problem appears intermittent. Wondering if anyone has had this same problem. 
> Thanks de dave WB7ELY
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From doug at k0dxv.com  Mon Mar  8 14:43:19 2021
From: doug at k0dxv.com (Douglas Person)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 12:43:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100 Finished but not working
Message-ID: <dafa2c09-6a7e-3e71-fbf4-737c9106aa71@k0dxv.com>

I've had a KAT100 sitting under my workbench for several years. I sorta 
forgot about it. A couple of days ago I recognized the box, pulled it 
out and assembled it. I've built dozens of K-Kits. This is the third 
KAT100 I've built. I'm very careful. But... This one doesn't want to work.

There is no indication that it is active - LEDs don't light. I carefully 
examine every connection under a magnifying glass. Transistors, diodes 
and ICs are all correct. Every connection looks perfect. I traced power 
to every IC - everything is correct. I even carefully built a new 
control cable - just to be sure.

Can anyone suggest what further steps I can take to debug this tuner? 
Could there be something wrong with the K2? Any help appreciated.


Thanks -- Doug -- K0DXV


From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Mon Mar  8 16:19:04 2021
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Mon,  8 Mar 2021 16:19:04 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 Unreliable Tuning
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-D7EC81311E8647F5BBC13A0B82B05097@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

I had a similar problem during last weekend's ARRL DX SSB 
contest. I would press tune on my K3 and the K3 would come to a 
good solution using about 5W. Then I tried to transmit at 100W 
and the SWR went wonky and the power folded back. I traced it to 
a bad connection between the two sections of coax feeding the 
antenna. Testing with a dummy load can help narrow the problem 
down to antenna or other.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 3/8/21 at 10:42 AM, daveingeb at comcast.net wrote:

>Over the past six months my KAT500 autotune function has 
>deteriorated to the point where I am getting frustrated. The 
>KAT tuner is connected to a G5RV via 75' of  RG-8 coax and is 
>fed from a KPA-500 which is fed from a Kenwood TS480. I switch 
>between between barefoot and amplified transmissions. Upon 
>application of a  40 watt tune, the tuner appears to find a 
>suitable solution but when the power is raised to over 100W, 
>the amplifier faults to a high SWR, some bands, but not always 
>repeatable. The antenna and feedline have been inspected and 
>all OK. If I change bands sometimes it works at higher powers 
>and sometimes not. Other times it cannot find a solution on 
>some bands and other bands are OK, low power or amplified. If I 
>cycle the power to the KAT500, it is OK for a while and then it 
>has trouble again. The problem appears intermittent. Wondering 
>if anyone has had this same problem. Thanks de dave WB7ELY
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From nelasat at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  8 16:31:06 2021
From: nelasat at yahoo.com (Keith Ennis)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 21:31:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital Display Unit for KAT500 tuner
References: <703907402.521548.1615239066103.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <703907402.521548.1615239066103@mail.yahoo.com>

I have just added a 5th Digital Display Unit to my store.

Digital Display Unit for KAT500:

This unit displays the front panel settings.
If the tuner is in bypass or not.
Displays the capacitance and inductance used.
What type of circuit is used. LC or CL.
SWR of both before and after a tune cycle is completed.

Check out this and all my display units at:

http://www.kv5j.com/store


Keith, KV5J

From elanzl at sbcglobal.net  Mon Mar  8 18:15:01 2021
From: elanzl at sbcglobal.net (Eric Lanzl)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 23:15:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft 20 meter SSB Net Sunday March 7th
References: <2140561749.659603.1615245301631.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2140561749.659603.1615245301631@mail.yahoo.com>

Note: next Sunday the nets will be one hour later at the same UTC time but it will be daylight savings time. Plan for the net to be one hour later.
Here is the list of stations checking in to the Sunday 20m net. Thanks again to the relay stationsElecraft SSB nets20M net 1800Z 14.303.540M net 1900Z?? 7.28080 M net 0100Z? frequencies change between 3.817 to 3.835 depending upon usage. 
2000Z Zoom meeting. Contact Carl K8NU for the linkEric WB9JNZ


Call??? Name??? State?? Radio?? Serial #? QRP????????????????????????? Notes

WB9JNZ????? Eric?????????? IL????????????? K3???????????? 4017????????? ???????????????????????????????????? NetControl

NC0JW??????? Jim??????????? CO??????????? KX3????????? 1356????????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

K8NU????????? Carl?????????? OH??????????? Yaesu??????? FT 1010DX? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? 

WM6P????????? Steve???????? GA??????????? K3S?????????? 11453??????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

K7BRR??????? Bill??????????? AZ??????????? Yaesu??????? FTDX 101MP???????????????????????????????????????????????? ??? 

KO5V????????? Jim??????????? NM?????????? K2/100????? 7225????????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

W5SV????????? Dave???????? TX??????????? K3???????????? 5354????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

N7BDL??????? Terry???????? AZ??????????? K3S?????????? 10373??????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

W1NGA?????? Al????????????? CO??????????? Flex?????????? 6400M????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

NS7P??????????? Phil??????????? OR??????????? K3???????????? 1826????????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

W7QHD?????? Kurt?????????? AZ??????????? K2/100????? 1538????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

KD6RC??????? Jeff?????????? CA??????????? Flex?????????? 6600????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K6VWE?????? Stan?????????? MI???????????? K3???????????? 650??????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

KE7HGE????? Ken?????????? WA?????????? KX3 ? ? ? ?? 4540????????? QRP????????????????????????????? 

N4NRW?????? Roger??????? SC???????????? K3???????????? 1318????????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

K2VJK???????? Vern????????? NY??????????? K3???????????? 6995????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K6FW????????? Frank???????? CA??????????? K3S?????????? 11672??????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K6SBA???????? David??????? CA??????????? K3???????????? 565??????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

N0MPM?????? Mike????????? IA???????????? K3S?????????? 10514??????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

N7YW????????? Ken?????????? AZ??????????? K3???????????? 8183????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

N9SRA???????? Steve???????? IL????????????? Icom???????? 7600????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

ZL1PWD????? Peter????????? NZ??????????? K3???????????? 139??????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

WW4JF??????? John????????? TN??????????? K3S?????????? 11177??????? ???????????????????????????????????? 
? WN8A ? ? ? Jim?????????? MI?????? ?? K3?????????? 3480??? ??????????? 

From wb0poq at gmail.com  Mon Mar  8 19:25:49 2021
From: wb0poq at gmail.com (Bob Liesen)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 18:25:49 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] PSK31 with a KX2
Message-ID: <CAO9_kph9XraYrmim-jC33qFEuY-uw9-Ufvg7irdVjr0zB7Anog@mail.gmail.com>

Gang,
  I am trying to get DigiPan (and other) apps to decode PSK31 from the
phones jack of my KX2.  I have tried the DATA A mode as well as normal SSB
mode.  I have tried a USB sound card as well as the built in sound card of
my laptop.  I can see signals in the waterfall, they look normal.  I have
tried reversing the sideband in use.  All to no avail.  My old TS 430S
decodes perfectly with simple cables hooked up between the radio and
computer, which is leading me to suspect I am missing something with the
KX2.
  Any thoughts?

Bob  WB0POQ

From dhaines at bates.edu  Tue Mar  9 10:04:45 2021
From: dhaines at bates.edu (David Haines)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 10:04:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Help with the KX3 and FT8 and SignaLink
In-Reply-To: <CALhxr4YFFKHn52HCGnEPp8j-W2fumoGU9n+n27esMKFgAAqjWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9FE6C513-0177-4089-83A0-83D1E14C44C1.ref@yahoo.com>
	<9FE6C513-0177-4089-83A0-83D1E14C44C1@yahoo.com>
	<CALhxr4YFFKHn52HCGnEPp8j-W2fumoGU9n+n27esMKFgAAqjWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <827df0aa-281a-1d91-126c-451071c7c67f@bates.edu>

I had the very same set up for a couple years, which was easy and worked 
fine with FT-8.? When I was having trouble with WinLink, another ham 
suggested a Signalink sound card would help, and he was right.? I now 
use the SignaLink with FT-8, with maybe better results, but it's hard to 
tell.

Anyway, the SignaLink Web site says to change the name of the radio in 
settings in FT-8 from KX-3 to <none>, but I'm not sure why.? All? works 
fine either way, except I lose CAT control, so have to change the 
frequency on the KX-3 manually when I change bands. Any thoughts?

david KC1DNY
in the woods of Maine.

On 3/6/2021 12:49 AM, Jim Rhodes wrote:
> I did very little to set up FT modes on my KX3. Got a cheap USB sound card
> with a line in jack. Use 2 stereo audio cables with 3.5 mm plugs at each
> end. One from phones jack on KX3 to line in on sound card, Other cable goes
> from mic connector on KX3 to speaker jack of sound card. Set mode to Data,
> set submode to Data A. Using WSJT-X there is a rig selection for Elecraft
> KX3. I set it up for CAT PTT if I remember correctly. Once you have the rig
> set properly you need to set the levels, I find it is best to set both the
> WSJT-X level slider about a third of the way up and the output level of the
> sound card similarly. Then using the Tune button in WSJT-X adjust the
> MIC/LINEIN pot on the KX3 to get 4 solid bars of ALC with the 5th one just
> flashing then use Power setting to adjust output level. Adjust output level
> to your sound card for a reasonable level on the waterfall display.
>
> On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 6:56 PM Alan Geller via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
>> With FT8 coming on strong as a popular communications and testing tool, it
>> is
>> tempting to dedicate your KX3 to this mode for a slice of time each day.
>> There has been little to no
>> update info for the KX3 with popular sound card interfaces (eg Signalink)
>> as well as suggested
>> settings for the KX3 and WTSJ-x itself. A little info would be very much
>> appreciated from Elecraft or a crafty
>> experienced user. Thanks in advance. alan?.K6ADG
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From kzerocx at gmail.com  Tue Mar  9 14:40:05 2021
From: kzerocx at gmail.com (Gary Peterson)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 12:40:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S KTCXO3-1 possible problem
Message-ID: <F9051EFE71534E6EB940E942005889EC@WIN7LowProfile>

I have a K3S, purchased factory built, February 2019.  This included the 1 ppm TCXO3-1-F option.  

A few months later, I noticed that SSB signals heard on 50.125.000 MHz all sounded a bit off frequency.  Hence, I performed a reference oscillator calibration, using method 2.  Because of my relatively short distance to WWV, the variability in the signal strength made its use difficult.  Instead, I used a GPS disciplined TCXO as my 10 MHz standard.  The GPSDO had been on for several hours before any calibration and the transceiver had been on for, at least, three hours.  The frequency display on the K3S was set to 10.000.000 MHz.  Beats were displayed on a Weston VU meter, driven by an opamp, connected across the external speaker output.  This allows beats to be easily seen, that are less than one per second.

The REF CAL as received from the factory was 49.379.766
On 7/10/2019, I changed the REF CAL setting to 49.379.448  (I chalked this change up to possible crystal aging.)
On 11/30/2019, the REF CAL setting was changed to 49.379.110
On 3/1/2020 the REF CAL setting was changed to 49.378.926
On 1/16/2021 REF CAL was changed to 49.378.495
On 1/30/2021 REF CAL was changed to 49.378.484
On 2/22/2021 REF CAL was changed to  49.378.508 (the first time the setting has been increased)

I have also noticed a change of several Hz in the beat note between the transceiver having been on for half an hour and having been on for three or four hours.  This seems odd behavior to me for a high stability, 1 ppm TCXO.  The transceiver is in a room, with a temperature of 70, plus or minus, 3 degrees Fahrenheit.  There is nothing on top of the transceiver and there is plenty of space below, behind and on either side of the radio.  There are no other heat sources near the transceiver.  

Am I being overly critical, or do you think this is unusual behavior for a KTCXO3-1?

I posed this question to Elecraft tech support.  The reply did not address my question as to whether this KTCXO3-1 is misbehaving.  The reply only said that ?We have no KTCXO3-1 and have no orders to restock at this time.?  The tech, who replied, also gave me sourcing information for, apparently, the oscillator part on the board.

Thanks in advance for any time taken to reply to my post.

Gary, K?CX








From mgcizek at gmail.com  Tue Mar  9 15:01:29 2021
From: mgcizek at gmail.com (Mike Cizek W0VTT)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 14:01:29 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S KTCXO3-1 possible problem
In-Reply-To: <F9051EFE71534E6EB940E942005889EC@WIN7LowProfile>
References: <F9051EFE71534E6EB940E942005889EC@WIN7LowProfile>
Message-ID: <000d01d7151f$000c3b10$0024b130$@gmail.com>

Hello Gary,

Elecraft reported having problems with the TCXOs a while back.  Mine isn't very well behaved, either, but it stays within a few Hertz compared to WWV on 10 MHz.

----
73,
Mike Cizek W0VTT

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Gary Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March, 2021 13:40
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S KTCXO3-1 possible problem

I have a K3S, purchased factory built, February 2019.  This included the 1 ppm TCXO3-1-F option.  

A few months later, I noticed that SSB signals heard on 50.125.000 MHz all sounded a bit off frequency.  Hence, I performed a reference oscillator calibration, using method 2.  Because of my relatively short distance to WWV, the variability in the signal strength made its use difficult.  Instead, I used a GPS disciplined TCXO as my 10 MHz standard.  The GPSDO had been on for several hours before any calibration and the transceiver had been on for, at least, three hours.  The frequency display on the K3S was set to 10.000.000 MHz.  Beats were displayed on a Weston VU meter, driven by an opamp, connected across the external speaker output.  This allows beats to be easily seen, that are less than one per second.

The REF CAL as received from the factory was 49.379.766 On 7/10/2019, I changed the REF CAL setting to 49.379.448  (I chalked this change up to possible crystal aging.) On 11/30/2019, the REF CAL setting was changed to 49.379.110 On 3/1/2020 the REF CAL setting was changed to 49.378.926 On 1/16/2021 REF CAL was changed to 49.378.495 On 1/30/2021 REF CAL was changed to 49.378.484 On 2/22/2021 REF CAL was changed to  49.378.508 (the first time the setting has been increased)

I have also noticed a change of several Hz in the beat note between the transceiver having been on for half an hour and having been on for three or four hours.  This seems odd behavior to me for a high stability, 1 ppm TCXO.  The transceiver is in a room, with a temperature of 70, plus or minus, 3 degrees Fahrenheit.  There is nothing on top of the transceiver and there is plenty of space below, behind and on either side of the radio.  There are no other heat sources near the transceiver.  

Am I being overly critical, or do you think this is unusual behavior for a KTCXO3-1?

I posed this question to Elecraft tech support.  The reply did not address my question as to whether this KTCXO3-1 is misbehaving.  The reply only said that ?We have no KTCXO3-1 and have no orders to restock at this time.?  The tech, who replied, also gave me sourcing information for, apparently, the oscillator part on the board.

Thanks in advance for any time taken to reply to my post.

Gary, K?CX







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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Tue Mar  9 15:28:42 2021
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 13:28:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S KTCXO3-1 possible problem
In-Reply-To: <F9051EFE71534E6EB940E942005889EC@WIN7LowProfile>
References: <F9051EFE71534E6EB940E942005889EC@WIN7LowProfile>
Message-ID: <3b1ab9ab-6f9a-6d20-2a94-02f1205d1945@triconet.org>

IMHO and a nutshell, the TCXO isn't.

Wes? N7WS

On 3/9/2021 12:40 PM, Gary Peterson wrote:
> I have a K3S, purchased factory built, February 2019.  This included the 1 ppm TCXO3-1-F option.
>
> A few months later, I noticed that SSB signals heard on 50.125.000 MHz all sounded a bit off frequency.  Hence, I performed a reference oscillator calibration, using method 2.  Because of my relatively short distance to WWV, the variability in the signal strength made its use difficult.  Instead, I used a GPS disciplined TCXO as my 10 MHz standard.  The GPSDO had been on for several hours before any calibration and the transceiver had been on for, at least, three hours.  The frequency display on the K3S was set to 10.000.000 MHz.  Beats were displayed on a Weston VU meter, driven by an opamp, connected across the external speaker output.  This allows beats to be easily seen, that are less than one per second.
>
> The REF CAL as received from the factory was 49.379.766
> On 7/10/2019, I changed the REF CAL setting to 49.379.448  (I chalked this change up to possible crystal aging.)
> On 11/30/2019, the REF CAL setting was changed to 49.379.110
> On 3/1/2020 the REF CAL setting was changed to 49.378.926
> On 1/16/2021 REF CAL was changed to 49.378.495
> On 1/30/2021 REF CAL was changed to 49.378.484
> On 2/22/2021 REF CAL was changed to  49.378.508 (the first time the setting has been increased)
>
> I have also noticed a change of several Hz in the beat note between the transceiver having been on for half an hour and having been on for three or four hours.  This seems odd behavior to me for a high stability, 1 ppm TCXO.  The transceiver is in a room, with a temperature of 70, plus or minus, 3 degrees Fahrenheit.  There is nothing on top of the transceiver and there is plenty of space below, behind and on either side of the radio.  There are no other heat sources near the transceiver.
>
> Am I being overly critical, or do you think this is unusual behavior for a KTCXO3-1?
>
> I posed this question to Elecraft tech support.  The reply did not address my question as to whether this KTCXO3-1 is misbehaving.  The reply only said that ?We have no KTCXO3-1 and have no orders to restock at this time.?  The tech, who replied, also gave me sourcing information for, apparently, the oscillator part on the board.
>
> Thanks in advance for any time taken to reply to my post.
>
> Gary, K?CX
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From idarack at gmail.com  Tue Mar  9 17:46:56 2021
From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin KD3TB)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 17:46:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Remote Power on Question
Message-ID: <CAGC7P24cA5UT8O5w3=SpVcKJe29XRzDuccZ5DBu0zX_n8xqvXQ@mail.gmail.com>

I am controlling my KPA500 using the Remote software running through my
computer using the Local Host Option. I am doing the same with my KAT500
with that remote software too. The objective was to move both off my main
station table. I can turn the KAT500 on/off using the software. Is there a
way to turn the KPA500 off/on using the remote software too?

Thanks, Irwin KD3TB


-- 
Irwin KD3TB

From kb2tvi at hotmail.com  Tue Mar  9 19:03:54 2021
From: kb2tvi at hotmail.com (steve roberts)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 00:03:54 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB:  KXPA100 with ATU
Message-ID: <MN2PR19MB36941E68DF6E61633B937BC29F929@MN2PR19MB3694.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all,

Looking for a KXPA100 with ATU in good, working condition.
If you have one that?s excess to your needs, please let me know.

Thanks

Steve
Kb2tvi

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From wb0poq at gmail.com  Tue Mar  9 20:11:20 2021
From: wb0poq at gmail.com (Bob Liesen)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 19:11:20 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] PSK31 with a KX2
Message-ID: <CAO9_kph=SVAmzXU-g5Vw0OYfBWqe-8wn8RP6g2ss_OPpmoCVHw@mail.gmail.com>

All,
  Pulling my hair out here.  I have been trying to get my KX2 to work on
PSK31.  After many attempts I got it working perfectly with DigiPan, but
I'm not sure how.   Then something happened that I have found is a problem
for me with this radio.  I must have turned a knob, hit a key or some such
thing as it stopped decoding.  I find the knobs and buttons are too close
to one another for these old eyes and fingers.
  I am using DATA A mode, I have the BW at 4kHz and center freq of 1.5  AGC
is off, RF gain is 0dB.  NB and NR is off.  I suspected I might have
screwed up the USB/LSB setting somehow, but HamScope has a "reverse"
function which does not help.
 Is there anyone who could walk me through the settings that might be
screwing this up?
Tnx es 73
Bob  WB0POQ

From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Tue Mar  9 20:40:07 2021
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Tue,  9 Mar 2021 20:40:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] PSK31 with a KX2
In-Reply-To: <CAO9_kph=SVAmzXU-g5Vw0OYfBWqe-8wn8RP6g2ss_OPpmoCVHw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-4546919104F64834ACFC399B6220FB51@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

On 3/9/21 at 8:11 PM, wb0poq at gmail.com (Bob Liesen) wrote:

>I am using DATA A mode, I have the BW at 4kHz and center freq of 1.5  AGC
>is off, RF gain is 0dB.  NB and NR is off.  I suspected I might have
>screwed up the USB/LSB setting somehow, but HamScope has a "reverse"
>function which does not help.

One of the joys of PSK31 is that the signals are symmetric, that 
is both USB and LSB will be able to decode the signal.

I'm not sure I can help further since I haven't tried to work 
PSK31 on a KX2 and I don't think I have any of the software you 
are using. (It probably won't run on my Mac.)

Can you decode signals using the internal PSK31 on the KX2? If 
that works, then you have decodable audio being sent to your computer.

73 Bill AE6JV

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From kb2tvi at hotmail.com  Tue Mar  9 21:32:14 2021
From: kb2tvi at hotmail.com (steve roberts)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 02:32:14 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 and ATU.  FOUND one
Message-ID: <MN2PR19MB3694C1CE227B834A19FD0F469F919@MN2PR19MB3694.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>


Found one.  Thank you
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From n1al at sonic.net  Tue Mar  9 21:50:27 2021
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 19:50:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] PSK31 with a KX2
In-Reply-To: <CAO9_kph=SVAmzXU-g5Vw0OYfBWqe-8wn8RP6g2ss_OPpmoCVHw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO9_kph=SVAmzXU-g5Vw0OYfBWqe-8wn8RP6g2ss_OPpmoCVHw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b0a4cd72-20b9-148f-f879-ed92fdd8f015@sonic.net>

I just tried out DigiPan with my KX2 for the first time earlier today.? 
At first I thought it wasn't working because I couldn't decode any 
signals on PSK31.? Then I happened to stumble on a W1AW bulletin on 
RTTY.? Then they switched over to PSK31 and it decoded perfectly.

I guess the answer is that a lot of the signals on the air that sound 
like PSK31 are actually something else.

By the way, PSK31 is symmetrical in frequency so it doesn't matter 
whether you select LSB or USB.?? That's why the Reverse function in 
DigiPan is disabled for PSK31.

When W1AW first switched from RTTY to PSK31, the KX2 was still in FSK 
mode with the narrow filter.? It decoded the PSK31 just fine. Then I 
switched to LSB and it continued to decode perfectly.

Alan N1AL


On 3/9/2021 6:11 PM, Bob Liesen wrote:
> All,
>    Pulling my hair out here.  I have been trying to get my KX2 to work on
> PSK31.  After many attempts I got it working perfectly with DigiPan, but
> I'm not sure how.   Then something happened that I have found is a problem
> for me with this radio.  I must have turned a knob, hit a key or some such
> thing as it stopped decoding.  I find the knobs and buttons are too close
> to one another for these old eyes and fingers.
>    I am using DATA A mode, I have the BW at 4kHz and center freq of 1.5  AGC
> is off, RF gain is 0dB.  NB and NR is off.  I suspected I might have
> screwed up the USB/LSB setting somehow, but HamScope has a "reverse"
> function which does not help.
>   Is there anyone who could walk me through the settings that might be
> screwing this up?
> Tnx es 73
> Bob  WB0POQ
>


From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Tue Mar  9 23:14:30 2021
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2021 19:14:30 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: MFJ-269B
Message-ID: <202103100415.12A4FQPK002868@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>

SOLD!  only took a few hours to receive an offer.  Was shipped on Monday.
Thanks.

73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 


From nv4c.ian at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 07:15:15 2021
From: nv4c.ian at gmail.com (Ian, NV4C)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 07:15:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] PSK31 with a KX2
In-Reply-To: <CAO9_kph=SVAmzXU-g5Vw0OYfBWqe-8wn8RP6g2ss_OPpmoCVHw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO9_kph=SVAmzXU-g5Vw0OYfBWqe-8wn8RP6g2ss_OPpmoCVHw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e1aac279-8440-9c04-4162-cde65f6fa5f3@gmail.com>

Bob,

Have you tried tweaking the gain on the KX2, to see if you can decode 
with the gain increased? Just spitballing, but that may help.

73 de,

Ian, NV4C

On 3/9/21 8:11 PM, Bob Liesen wrote:
> All,
>    Pulling my hair out here.  I have been trying to get my KX2 to work on
> PSK31.  After many attempts I got it working perfectly with DigiPan, but
> I'm not sure how.   Then something happened that I have found is a problem
> for me with this radio.  I must have turned a knob, hit a key or some such
> thing as it stopped decoding.  I find the knobs and buttons are too close
> to one another for these old eyes and fingers.
>    I am using DATA A mode, I have the BW at 4kHz and center freq of 1.5  AGC
> is off, RF gain is 0dB.  NB and NR is off.  I suspected I might have
> screwed up the USB/LSB setting somehow, but HamScope has a "reverse"
> function which does not help.
>   Is there anyone who could walk me through the settings that might be
> screwing this up?
> Tnx es 73
> Bob  WB0POQ
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From rick at ricklapp.net  Wed Mar 10 07:40:03 2021
From: rick at ricklapp.net (Rick Lapp)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 07:40:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft]  KAT-500 Unreliable Tuning
Message-ID: <d843c01c-e395-25e7-9bff-d6cf4eb96f99@ricklapp.net>

I have had the same issue with my KAT/KPA500, tuned into a good 1:1 SWR 
but faults when increasing power to about 450-500W. It would fault with 
an error of "VFWD too high for VSWR" in the fault table of the utility 
program. Trying different bands, dummy load tests etc, I isolated it to 
a combination of increasing power AND a HIGH BYPASS VSWR. This is the 
the 'untuned' SWR. If the tuner is seeing a high SWR (usually greater 
than 8-10:1 without tuning, even though it was able to match it to 1:1, 
the combination with high power would cause the tuner and amp to go into 
a fault mode. This is very repeatable.
However, as another posted here, I will be checking for evidence of 
arcing internally within the KAT.
Rick, KC2FD

From kzerocx at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 08:18:59 2021
From: kzerocx at gmail.com (Gary Peterson)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 06:18:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Now looking for a K3S KTCXO3-1
Message-ID: <0752EA4CA082445986374805819602CD@WIN7LowProfile>

A replacement K3S KTCXO3-1 is no longer available from Elecraft.  Does anyone have a stable KTCXO3-1, surplus to their needs, that they would consider selling?
Even a standard, plus or minus 5 ppm TCXO might possibly be an improvement.

There are also some, alleged, KTCXO3-1 oscillator modules for sale on eBay for about 40 bucks.  Has anyone had experience with any of these?

Thanks, in advance, for any advice, opinions or admonishments.

Gary, K0CX

>IMHO and a nutshell, the TCXO isn't.
>Wes? N7WS

> Am I being overly critical, or do you think this is unusual behavior for a KTCXO3-1?

From 99sunset at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 09:07:52 2021
From: 99sunset at gmail.com (Steve Hall)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 09:07:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 40 meter Sunday SSB net
Message-ID: <CALdUqNPuNmtDYGuZWKSQMQuDbpZvWg65s44ZyiCdcXfzGkqzMw@mail.gmail.com>

WM6P STEVE GA  K3S NETCONTROL
K8NU CARL OH FTDX101D
NC0JW JIM CO KX3
WB7T/4 BOB AL K3
K2VJK VERN NY K3
NK9A STAN MI FT757
K6VWE STAN MI K3
WY3T TIM FL K3S
AB7HA FRANK GA KX3S
W5GGO SID TX IC746PRO
WB9JNZ ERIC IL K3
N4NRW ROGER SC K3
VE3MKX MIKE ON K3
KB9AVO PAUL IN K4
W4NDK/M NATE NC FT891
WW4JF JOHN TN K3S
KB3WAQ GEORGE PA FT857
WB8CTC JOE WV IC718
KB4PBJ CHRIS TN KX3
KC0EMO KEVIN IA KX2 10W

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Wed Mar 10 09:33:10 2021
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 07:33:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Now looking for a K3S KTCXO3-1
In-Reply-To: <0752EA4CA082445986374805819602CD@WIN7LowProfile>
References: <0752EA4CA082445986374805819602CD@WIN7LowProfile>
Message-ID: <000ca8cb-0a6e-9765-ba5e-68e5f49744e4@triconet.org>

If it mattered to me I would give the Chinese version a shot.

Wes? N7WS

On 3/10/2021 6:18 AM, Gary Peterson wrote:
> A replacement K3S KTCXO3-1 is no longer available from Elecraft.  Does anyone have a stable KTCXO3-1, surplus to their needs, that they would consider selling?
> Even a standard, plus or minus 5 ppm TCXO might possibly be an improvement.
>
> There are also some, alleged, KTCXO3-1 oscillator modules for sale on eBay for about 40 bucks.  Has anyone had experience with any of these?
>
> Thanks, in advance, for any advice, opinions or admonishments.
>
> Gary, K0CX


From marklgoldberg at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 09:55:30 2021
From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 07:55:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Now looking for a K3S KTCXO3-1
In-Reply-To: <000ca8cb-0a6e-9765-ba5e-68e5f49744e4@triconet.org>
References: <0752EA4CA082445986374805819602CD@WIN7LowProfile>
	<000ca8cb-0a6e-9765-ba5e-68e5f49744e4@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <CAKn+a3sXEHKCe6iCpcR8MT9MbjTsETMnyq+JNMRbcnUOvVYOFQ@mail.gmail.com>

If the Chinese TCXOs for the K3 are anything like the ones for Kenwood I
have measured, they exhibit much higher phase noise. That will result in
much increased transmit phase noise. That will interfere with anyone trying
to listen close to you in location and frequency.

The K3 is a good neighbor, which is one of the reasons it is prized for
DXpeditions and Multi Radio contest stations.

73,

Mark
W7MLG

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 7:33 AM Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:

> If it mattered to me I would give the Chinese version a shot.
>
> Wes  N7WS
>
> On 3/10/2021 6:18 AM, Gary Peterson wrote:
> > A replacement K3S KTCXO3-1 is no longer available from Elecraft.  Does
> anyone have a stable KTCXO3-1, surplus to their needs, that they would
> consider selling?
> > Even a standard, plus or minus 5 ppm TCXO might possibly be an
> improvement.
> >
> > There are also some, alleged, KTCXO3-1 oscillator modules for sale on
> eBay for about 40 bucks.  Has anyone had experience with any of these?
> >
> > Thanks, in advance, for any advice, opinions or admonishments.
> >
> > Gary, K0CX
>
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Wed Mar 10 10:50:58 2021
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 08:50:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Now looking for a K3S KTCXO3-1
In-Reply-To: <CAKn+a3sXEHKCe6iCpcR8MT9MbjTsETMnyq+JNMRbcnUOvVYOFQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0752EA4CA082445986374805819602CD@WIN7LowProfile>
	<000ca8cb-0a6e-9765-ba5e-68e5f49744e4@triconet.org>
	<CAKn+a3sXEHKCe6iCpcR8MT9MbjTsETMnyq+JNMRbcnUOvVYOFQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2a8e7e28-7e62-cbdb-2ddf-cf5566d23def@triconet.org>

Ok.

How did you measure phase noise?

Wes? N7WS


On 3/10/2021 7:55 AM, Mark Goldberg wrote:
> If the Chinese TCXOs for the K3 are anything like the ones for Kenwood I
> have measured, they exhibit much higher phase noise. That will result in
> much increased transmit phase noise. That will interfere with anyone trying
> to listen close to you in location and frequency.
>
> The K3 is a good neighbor, which is one of the reasons it is prized for
> DXpeditions and Multi Radio contest stations.
>
> 73,
>
> Mark
> W7MLG
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 7:33 AM Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
>
>> If it mattered to me I would give the Chinese version a shot.
>>
>> Wes  N7WS
>>
>> On 3/10/2021 6:18 AM, Gary Peterson wrote:
>>> A replacement K3S KTCXO3-1 is no longer available from Elecraft.  Does
>> anyone have a stable KTCXO3-1, surplus to their needs, that they would
>> consider selling?
>>> Even a standard, plus or minus 5 ppm TCXO might possibly be an
>> improvement.
>>> There are also some, alleged, KTCXO3-1 oscillator modules for sale on
>> eBay for about 40 bucks.  Has anyone had experience with any of these?
>>> Thanks, in advance, for any advice, opinions or admonishments.
>>>
>>> Gary, K0CX
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From mgcizek at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 11:01:54 2021
From: mgcizek at gmail.com (Mike Cizek W0VTT)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 10:01:54 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Now looking for a K3S KTCXO3-1
In-Reply-To: <CAKn+a3sXEHKCe6iCpcR8MT9MbjTsETMnyq+JNMRbcnUOvVYOFQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0752EA4CA082445986374805819602CD@WIN7LowProfile>	<000ca8cb-0a6e-9765-ba5e-68e5f49744e4@triconet.org>
	<CAKn+a3sXEHKCe6iCpcR8MT9MbjTsETMnyq+JNMRbcnUOvVYOFQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008b01d715c6$b24bd0e0$16e372a0$@gmail.com>

Greetings - 

I have a KTCXO3, a Chinese copy, and the standard oscillator.  I tested the
standard and Chinese ones against WWV at 10 MHz using the Freq Cal mode in
WSJT-X over a four hour period.  This isn't exactly a laboratory grade test,
but is the best I can do.

The total error for the Chinese TCXO was 1.26 Hz
Total error for the stock oscillator was 0.98 Hz
I'll test the KTCXO3 later today.
I'm not a math major, but that looks like about 0.1PPM error.  Tests were
run after the K3s had been on for a few hours.

I don't have the tools to measure phase noise.  Would having a local with a
panadaptor look at my transmitted signal using the different oscillators be
sufficient?

This is the Chinese oscillator I bought from Ebay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/KTCXO-3-Compatible-Elecraft-K3-TCXO-1-PPM-High-Stab
ility-Ref-Osc-Compatible/182814802678?hash=item2a909c82f6:g:7qsAAOSwWr5Z2Y7t


----
73,
Mike Cizek W0VTT

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Mark Goldberg
Sent: Wednesday, 10 March, 2021 08:56
To: Elecraft Mailing List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Now looking for a K3S KTCXO3-1

If the Chinese TCXOs for the K3 are anything like the ones for Kenwood I
have measured, they exhibit much higher phase noise. That will result in
much increased transmit phase noise. That will interfere with anyone trying
to listen close to you in location and frequency.

The K3 is a good neighbor, which is one of the reasons it is prized for
DXpeditions and Multi Radio contest stations.

73,

Mark
W7MLG

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 7:33 AM Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:

> If it mattered to me I would give the Chinese version a shot.
>
> Wes  N7WS
>
> On 3/10/2021 6:18 AM, Gary Peterson wrote:
> > A replacement K3S KTCXO3-1 is no longer available from Elecraft.  
> > Does
> anyone have a stable KTCXO3-1, surplus to their needs, that they would 
> consider selling?
> > Even a standard, plus or minus 5 ppm TCXO might possibly be an
> improvement.
> >
> > There are also some, alleged, KTCXO3-1 oscillator modules for sale 
> > on
> eBay for about 40 bucks.  Has anyone had experience with any of these?
> >
> > Thanks, in advance, for any advice, opinions or admonishments.
> >
> > Gary, K0CX
>
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From keith at elecraft.com  Wed Mar 10 11:32:48 2021
From: keith at elecraft.com (Keith Trinity WE6R)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 08:32:48 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S KTCXO3-1 possible problem
In-Reply-To: <F9051EFE71534E6EB940E942005889EC@WIN7LowProfile>
References: <F9051EFE71534E6EB940E942005889EC@WIN7LowProfile>
Message-ID: <8ce8fa7b-8d4e-637a-0816-4ed3c63c6309@elecraft.com>

Hi Gary;
That one is defective.
The RefCal # really should be in the range of 49.379.600? to 49.380.400. 
(+- 400hz from 49.380.000).
If out of that range, and you have the K144XV with Reflock, it will be 
too far for the RefLock to pull it on freq.
Same for the K3EXREF, but the range is a bit wider.

If it settles down and is just too far out of range, you can take the 
sticker off and tweak it closer to 49.380.000.
Go as high as you can, then back down a little. You don't want to be too 
close to it's limit as it will go wacky.

We do still have the standard oscillators, part E850323 or E660033.
Keith WE6R Elecraft K3/K4 Tech.

From dennis at mail4life.net  Wed Mar 10 12:53:39 2021
From: dennis at mail4life.net (Dennis Moore)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 09:53:39 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 Unreliable Tuning
In-Reply-To: <AA29BA19-94AF-45AB-82D8-49A779C0DB42@gmail.com>
References: <85289822.113195.1615218128277@connect.xfinity.com>
	<AA29BA19-94AF-45AB-82D8-49A779C0DB42@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7943d8ce-48a1-4abf-5dc0-72b1e0fd43a1@mail4life.net>

I checked inside my tuner, I only have one green wire instead of two. 
Serial #2120.

I also have the issue of erratic tuning when applying power, adding an 
additional common mode choke helped calm things down.

Dennis NJ6G

On 3/8/2021 09:07, Rajiv Dewan wrote:
> I had a similar issue with my KAT500.  I opened it up and the problem was obvious: there are two green 12g wire bridges that cross. (You can see them in this image: (kat500_inside_500_530x at 2x.jpg  <https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2029/4979/products/kat500_inside_500_530x at 2x.jpg?v=1536760566>. You can see one end of the longer green wire near the big red toroid.) There had been arcing between them.  My guess is that they arced at higher power levels. I replaced them with slightly longer wires and bent them to create more clearance.  That solved my problem.
>
> I recommend taking taking the cover off and taking a look.  The problem may be obvious as it was for me.
>
> Raj, N2RD

From rmdewan at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 12:57:01 2021
From: rmdewan at gmail.com (Rajiv Dewan)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 12:57:01 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 Unreliable Tuning
In-Reply-To: <7943d8ce-48a1-4abf-5dc0-72b1e0fd43a1@mail4life.net>
References: <85289822.113195.1615218128277@connect.xfinity.com>
	<AA29BA19-94AF-45AB-82D8-49A779C0DB42@gmail.com>
	<7943d8ce-48a1-4abf-5dc0-72b1e0fd43a1@mail4life.net>
Message-ID: <4A6FC183-F870-4794-A019-F0F01433BFD6@gmail.com>

I think you have one of the newer units where Elecraft improved the design by putting one wire above and another below the PC board.  Mine was #309 with both wires above the PC board.  They had arced.

Raj, N2RD

> On Mar 10, 2021, at 12:53 PM, Dennis Moore <dennis at mail4life.net> wrote:
> 
> I checked inside my tuner, I only have one green wire instead of two. Serial #2120.
> 
> I also have the issue of erratic tuning when applying power, adding an additional common mode choke helped calm things down.
> 
> Dennis NJ6G
> 
> On 3/8/2021 09:07, Rajiv Dewan wrote:
>> I had a similar issue with my KAT500.  I opened it up and the problem was obvious: there are two green 12g wire bridges that cross. (You can see them in this image: (kat500_inside_500_530x at 2x.jpg  <https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2029/4979/products/kat500_inside_500_530x at 2x.jpg?v=1536760566>. You can see one end of the longer green wire near the big red toroid.) There had been arcing between them.  My guess is that they arced at higher power levels. I replaced them with slightly longer wires and bent them to create more clearance.  That solved my problem.
>> 
>> I recommend taking taking the cover off and taking a look.  The problem may be obvious as it was for me.
>> 
>> Raj, N2RD
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From k7im at icloud.com  Wed Mar 10 13:15:35 2021
From: k7im at icloud.com (Michael K Bottles)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 10:15:35 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 Unreliable Tuning
In-Reply-To: <4A6FC183-F870-4794-A019-F0F01433BFD6@gmail.com>
References: <4A6FC183-F870-4794-A019-F0F01433BFD6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B1420B7-ABBC-44EA-8880-40CCAE256FDA@icloud.com>

That is weird! I have S/N 0221 and I only have the short wire above with the other wire below. I bought it used so maybe the PO had it up graded?

Kim - K7IM

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 10, 2021, at 09:58, Rajiv Dewan <rmdewan at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I think you have one of the newer units where Elecraft improved the design by putting one wire above and another below the PC board.  Mine was #309 with both wires above the PC board.  They had arced.
> 
> Raj, N2RD
> 
>> On Mar 10, 2021, at 12:53 PM, Dennis Moore <dennis at mail4life.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I checked inside my tuner, I only have one green wire instead of two. Serial #2120.
>> 
>> I also have the issue of erratic tuning when applying power, adding an additional common mode choke helped calm things down.
>> 
>> Dennis NJ6G
>> 
>>> On 3/8/2021 09:07, Rajiv Dewan wrote:
>>> I had a similar issue with my KAT500.  I opened it up and the problem was obvious: there are two green 12g wire bridges that cross. (You can see them in this image: (kat500_inside_500_530x at 2x.jpg  <https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2029/4979/products/kat500_inside_500_530x at 2x.jpg?v=1536760566>. You can see one end of the longer green wire near the big red toroid.) There had been arcing between them.  My guess is that they arced at higher power levels. I replaced them with slightly longer wires and bent them to create more clearance.  That solved my problem.
>>> 
>>> I recommend taking taking the cover off and taking a look.  The problem may be obvious as it was for me.
>>> 
>>> Raj, N2RD
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From marklgoldberg at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 13:16:56 2021
From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 11:16:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Now looking for a K3S KTCXO3-1
In-Reply-To: <2a8e7e28-7e62-cbdb-2ddf-cf5566d23def@triconet.org>
References: <0752EA4CA082445986374805819602CD@WIN7LowProfile>
	<000ca8cb-0a6e-9765-ba5e-68e5f49744e4@triconet.org>
	<CAKn+a3sXEHKCe6iCpcR8MT9MbjTsETMnyq+JNMRbcnUOvVYOFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2a8e7e28-7e62-cbdb-2ddf-cf5566d23def@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <CAKn+a3u6xCmGqwXNFhHy8pO06daffsxbU0cDOZXmVLMN+thWVA@mail.gmail.com>

I have a Perseus SDR set up to measure phase noise, and also had
access to a high dollar phase noise measurement system. The Perseus
was sufficient to see the difference, about a 20 dB increase at 15 kHz
or so, which is significant. I have links to my setup on my qrz.com
page.

73,

Mark
W7MLG

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 8:51 AM Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
>
> Ok.
>
> How did you measure phase noise?
>
> Wes  N7WS
>
>
> On 3/10/2021 7:55 AM, Mark Goldberg wrote:
> > If the Chinese TCXOs for the K3 are anything like the ones for Kenwood I
> > have measured, they exhibit much higher phase noise. That will result in
> > much increased transmit phase noise. That will interfere with anyone trying
> > to listen close to you in location and frequency.
> >
> > The K3 is a good neighbor, which is one of the reasons it is prized for
> > DXpeditions and Multi Radio contest stations.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Mark
> > W7MLG
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 7:33 AM Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
> >
> >> If it mattered to me I would give the Chinese version a shot.
> >>
> >> Wes  N7WS
> >>
> >> On 3/10/2021 6:18 AM, Gary Peterson wrote:
> >>> A replacement K3S KTCXO3-1 is no longer available from Elecraft.  Does
> >> anyone have a stable KTCXO3-1, surplus to their needs, that they would
> >> consider selling?
> >>> Even a standard, plus or minus 5 ppm TCXO might possibly be an
> >> improvement.
> >>> There are also some, alleged, KTCXO3-1 oscillator modules for sale on
> >> eBay for about 40 bucks.  Has anyone had experience with any of these?
> >>> Thanks, in advance, for any advice, opinions or admonishments.
> >>>
> >>> Gary, K0CX
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From rmdewan at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 13:22:30 2021
From: rmdewan at gmail.com (Rajiv Dewan)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 13:22:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 Unreliable Tuning - photo of arced wire
Message-ID: <4F52032F-7102-42B0-B8E2-AC0F59740897@gmail.com>

Photo of the arced wire attached.

I don?t know if it will make it through the reflector,

Raj, N2RD

KAT500 #0309







From julia at juliatuttle.net  Wed Mar 10 13:32:29 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 13:32:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 phones output either noisy or too loud for my
	earphones?
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrMOupYtwNxUOGsTv7iWp8NkFRobFSbzs0aL2H3quaB5MA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I've run into a curious issue with my KX3 and Etymotic ER3SE earphones.

It seems that the ER3SEs are sensitive enough that I end up only using the
lowest handful of volume levels on the KX3, and that, at those low levels,
the sidetone (and presumably other sound) ends up distorted (presumably
because the DAC's dynamic range got too small).

My instinct is to get an inline attenuator for the earphones -- something
like this:

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B075PVVHF5/ref=ewc_pr_img_1?smid=A2H1DLE1VLYNIR&psc=1

I'm specifically looking for something with fixed attenuation, because many
of the variable ones have stereo balance issues.

Does this seem like a reasonable course of action? Does anyone know of
cheaper and/or better options? I'm not really set up for building my own
right now.

73,

Julie

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Wed Mar 10 14:04:04 2021
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 12:04:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Now looking for a K3S KTCXO3-1
In-Reply-To: <CAKn+a3u6xCmGqwXNFhHy8pO06daffsxbU0cDOZXmVLMN+thWVA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0752EA4CA082445986374805819602CD@WIN7LowProfile>
	<000ca8cb-0a6e-9765-ba5e-68e5f49744e4@triconet.org>
	<CAKn+a3sXEHKCe6iCpcR8MT9MbjTsETMnyq+JNMRbcnUOvVYOFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2a8e7e28-7e62-cbdb-2ddf-cf5566d23def@triconet.org>
	<CAKn+a3u6xCmGqwXNFhHy8pO06daffsxbU0cDOZXmVLMN+thWVA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <96fa63ff-1e3d-1e02-63bb-3c3325caecb1@triconet.org>

Thanks.? Very nice!

Wes

On 3/10/2021 11:16 AM, Mark Goldberg wrote:
> I have a Perseus SDR set up to measure phase noise, and also had
> access to a high dollar phase noise measurement system. The Perseus
> was sufficient to see the difference, about a 20 dB increase at 15 kHz
> or so, which is significant. I have links to my setup on my qrz.com
> page.
>
> 73,
>
> Mark
> W7MLG


From marklgoldberg at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 14:32:41 2021
From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 12:32:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 phones output either noisy or too loud for my
	earphones?
In-Reply-To: <CAEVEBrMOupYtwNxUOGsTv7iWp8NkFRobFSbzs0aL2H3quaB5MA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEVEBrMOupYtwNxUOGsTv7iWp8NkFRobFSbzs0aL2H3quaB5MA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKn+a3uw-WhJ8RwZ1e9nEyHkwP=KevozAQDu+z6K=SrHzNhtCw@mail.gmail.com>

They are very short on specs. I expect it just contains a couple
resistors of unknown value. They are expensive if that is all they
contain. The concern I might have is the attenuation depends on the
impedance of the headphones. Since your headphones are already
unusual, it might be that their impedance is unusual also and you may
not get the expected results.

I don't see why variable ones that have two ganged potentiometers
should have stereo balance issues, assuming they choose potentiometers
with matched resistance curves. Adding resistors does reduce the
damping, so the sound will not be as good, but for communication audio
that is not too critical. There are multiple volume control adapters
for between $6 and $10. I might certainly try those to see if they
work. If they have balance issues, return them. If not, they are more
likely to provide the right amount of volume reduction. Really good
ones might have variable transformers. I haven't researched this type
of product much though.

73,

Mark
W7MLG

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:33 AM Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I've run into a curious issue with my KX3 and Etymotic ER3SE earphones.
>
> It seems that the ER3SEs are sensitive enough that I end up only using the
> lowest handful of volume levels on the KX3, and that, at those low levels,
> the sidetone (and presumably other sound) ends up distorted (presumably
> because the DAC's dynamic range got too small).
>
> My instinct is to get an inline attenuator for the earphones -- something
> like this:
>
> https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B075PVVHF5/ref=ewc_pr_img_1?smid=A2H1DLE1VLYNIR&psc=1
>
> I'm specifically looking for something with fixed attenuation, because many
> of the variable ones have stereo balance issues.
>
> Does this seem like a reasonable course of action? Does anyone know of
> cheaper and/or better options? I'm not really set up for building my own
> right now.
>
> 73,
>
> Julie
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From julia at juliatuttle.net  Wed Mar 10 16:16:23 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 16:16:23 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 phones output either noisy or too loud for my
	earphones?
In-Reply-To: <CAKn+a3uw-WhJ8RwZ1e9nEyHkwP=KevozAQDu+z6K=SrHzNhtCw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEVEBrMOupYtwNxUOGsTv7iWp8NkFRobFSbzs0aL2H3quaB5MA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKn+a3uw-WhJ8RwZ1e9nEyHkwP=KevozAQDu+z6K=SrHzNhtCw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrNxrfkHNJHaEh8_s9HG0gRnj_B9nJBUMb2wojj0G5eNKg@mail.gmail.com>

The earphones are 22 ohms -- they're tiny.

My concern with the ganged one is the tolerance on the matching between the
two channels -- especially at low volume levels, it only takes a little
difference to sound off, and I'm likely to be using them at a lower volume
level.

I'll see what else I can find -- maybe there's a cheaper fixed one, or an
affordable variable one that has good reviews.

73,

Julie

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 2:32 PM Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com>
wrote:

> They are very short on specs. I expect it just contains a couple
> resistors of unknown value. They are expensive if that is all they
> contain. The concern I might have is the attenuation depends on the
> impedance of the headphones. Since your headphones are already
> unusual, it might be that their impedance is unusual also and you may
> not get the expected results.
>
> I don't see why variable ones that have two ganged potentiometers
> should have stereo balance issues, assuming they choose potentiometers
> with matched resistance curves. Adding resistors does reduce the
> damping, so the sound will not be as good, but for communication audio
> that is not too critical. There are multiple volume control adapters
> for between $6 and $10. I might certainly try those to see if they
> work. If they have balance issues, return them. If not, they are more
> likely to provide the right amount of volume reduction. Really good
> ones might have variable transformers. I haven't researched this type
> of product much though.
>
> 73,
>
> Mark
> W7MLG
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:33 AM Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've run into a curious issue with my KX3 and Etymotic ER3SE earphones.
> >
> > It seems that the ER3SEs are sensitive enough that I end up only using
> the
> > lowest handful of volume levels on the KX3, and that, at those low
> levels,
> > the sidetone (and presumably other sound) ends up distorted (presumably
> > because the DAC's dynamic range got too small).
> >
> > My instinct is to get an inline attenuator for the earphones -- something
> > like this:
> >
> >
> https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B075PVVHF5/ref=ewc_pr_img_1?smid=A2H1DLE1VLYNIR&psc=1
> >
> > I'm specifically looking for something with fixed attenuation, because
> many
> > of the variable ones have stereo balance issues.
> >
> > Does this seem like a reasonable course of action? Does anyone know of
> > cheaper and/or better options? I'm not really set up for building my own
> > right now.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Julie
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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From k9yeq at live.com  Wed Mar 10 18:20:50 2021
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 23:20:50 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] PSK31 with a KX2
In-Reply-To: <CAO9_kph=SVAmzXU-g5Vw0OYfBWqe-8wn8RP6g2ss_OPpmoCVHw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO9_kph=SVAmzXU-g5Vw0OYfBWqe-8wn8RP6g2ss_OPpmoCVHw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR08MB50010EA4849A4D596C74E0909C919@DM6PR08MB5001.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>

Bob, when you get it working, then do an immediate backup in case you enter the wrong information after that.  You can at least get back to where you were.  When I am told I have a great signal on SSB, I do an immediate backup to preserve my settings.

Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Bob Liesen
Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 7:11 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] PSK31 with a KX2

All,
  Pulling my hair out here.  I have been trying to get my KX2 to work on PSK31.  After many attempts I got it working perfectly with DigiPan, but
I'm not sure how.   Then something happened that I have found is a problem
for me with this radio.  I must have turned a knob, hit a key or some such thing as it stopped decoding.  I find the knobs and buttons are too close to one another for these old eyes and fingers.
  I am using DATA A mode, I have the BW at 4kHz and center freq of 1.5  AGC is off, RF gain is 0dB.  NB and NR is off.  I suspected I might have screwed up the USB/LSB setting somehow, but HamScope has a "reverse"
function which does not help.
 Is there anyone who could walk me through the settings that might be screwing this up?
Tnx es 73
Bob  WB0POQ
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 14:25:52 -0500
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From wa6vab at gmail.com  Thu Mar 11 14:40:53 2021
From: wa6vab at gmail.com (Linda M)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 11:40:53 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3/P3 FOR SALE USED LESS THAN 50 HOURS
In-Reply-To: <CADmme_=N0nHCT=GQ2YX7Yweh_=NqDKO5z3B3-GEJwh+t3eoebg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADmme_=N0nHCT=GQ2YX7Yweh_=NqDKO5z3B3-GEJwh+t3eoebg@mail.gmail.com>
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From john.ke5c at gmail.com  Thu Mar 11 14:48:45 2021
From: john.ke5c at gmail.com (John Dvoracek)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 13:48:45 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB K3/0 mini
Message-ID: <CAPPmCyHMYUeQWZw_ZU+byR1K_pbNms=tJrNtfCNbPPrMXR2puQ@mail.gmail.com>

I know I am dreaming, but I would like one of these to use with a
remote K3 contest station. Let me know off list if you have one you
could let go.

TU es 73 - - john.ke5c at gmail.com

From wb0poq at gmail.com  Thu Mar 11 20:06:23 2021
From: wb0poq at gmail.com (Bob Liesen)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 19:06:23 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] PSK31 with a KX2
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR08MB50010EA4849A4D596C74E0909C919@DM6PR08MB5001.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAO9_kph=SVAmzXU-g5Vw0OYfBWqe-8wn8RP6g2ss_OPpmoCVHw@mail.gmail.com>
	<DM6PR08MB50010EA4849A4D596C74E0909C919@DM6PR08MB5001.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAO9_kph2=-ZYx3eSsaiF+5Z-0TZd57FZCZkQNBzQNWoXwwyjSw@mail.gmail.com>

Gang,
  Well,  I solved the no decode problem with my KX2.  I was not decoding
much PSK31 because there is not much around to decode.  Since I was active
on digital modes, things have evolved (imagine that!).  Once I boned up on
the fact that most of the warbling one hears is FT8, and set up a program
for same, I'm decoding lots of signals.  I am truly a dinosaur.....?
Thanks to all and stay well!

Bob WB0POQ

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 5:20 PM Bill Johnson <k9yeq at live.com> wrote:

> Bob, when you get it working, then do an immediate backup in case you
> enter the wrong information after that.  You can at least get back to where
> you were.  When I am told I have a great signal on SSB, I do an immediate
> backup to preserve my settings.
>
> Bill
> K9YEQ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> On Behalf Of Bob Liesen
> Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 7:11 PM
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] PSK31 with a KX2
>
> All,
>   Pulling my hair out here.  I have been trying to get my KX2 to work on
> PSK31.  After many attempts I got it working perfectly with DigiPan, but
> I'm not sure how.   Then something happened that I have found is a problem
> for me with this radio.  I must have turned a knob, hit a key or some such
> thing as it stopped decoding.  I find the knobs and buttons are too close
> to one another for these old eyes and fingers.
>   I am using DATA A mode, I have the BW at 4kHz and center freq of 1.5
> AGC is off, RF gain is 0dB.  NB and NR is off.  I suspected I might have
> screwed up the USB/LSB setting somehow, but HamScope has a "reverse"
> function which does not help.
>  Is there anyone who could walk me through the settings that might be
> screwing this up?
> Tnx es 73
> Bob  WB0POQ
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Mar 11 23:46:26 2021
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 20:46:26 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] This weekend's Ham Expo features small-group discussion
 rooms (audio/video)
Message-ID: <F6B862D9-BE39-486F-8D0A-FC7E9F0D4E2F@elecraft.com>

Hi all,

One great feature of this weekend's QSO Today ham expo is the "Lounge" area. In Elecraft's lounge, you'll be able to choose from among several demo/technical discussion rooms, each with a product theme. Each room will have a maximum of just eight participants, and will be hosted by a member of our team. Eric, myself, and other design and support engineers will be staffing these sessions throughout the weekend. 

We expect this new format to recreate some of the more social aspects of in-person trade shows. And you won't need to mask-up, no matter where you live :)

In addition there will be many new presentations and other materials available at our virtual booth.

For more information, please visit:

    https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Fri Mar 12 00:17:32 2021
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 21:17:32 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting QSO
Message-ID: <57BFC980-4868-4B94-B202-C1599C2F4308@elecraft.com>

I just finished a QSO with a QRP station in Bend, Oregon on 40 m that was memorable for a couple of reasons: First, that we managed it all despite awful atmospheric noise and poor propagation, and second, that it highlighted many the K4's tools for digging out weak signals. 

By the end of the QSO I was configured like this:

- diversity mode (wire antenna on main RX, vertical on sub)
- 100 Hz primary RX filter bandwidth
- 50 Hz APF (audio peaking filter)
- NB & NR on
- CW center pitch dialed down to 400 Hz

That final setting may have been optimum for my hearing range (we all lose higher-pitched response as we get older), but it also seemed to keep the week signal highlighted during static crashes. I'll be experimenting with this on DX signals.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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From btippett at alum.mit.edu  Fri Mar 12 07:36:54 2021
From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 05:36:54 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] March/April NCJ
Message-ID: <1615552614723-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

The latest NCJ issue has HF Transceiver Price vs Performance, Part 2. 
Elecraft does very well overall in this comprehensive article!  If you're an
ARRL member, you can view online at this link (login required):

http://www.arrl.org/arrl-magazines

Sorry if this has been posted before but I searched and could not find it.

73,  Bill  W4ZV





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From fkemmerer at anita-fred.net  Fri Mar 12 08:53:15 2021
From: fkemmerer at anita-fred.net (Fred Kemmerer)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 13:53:15 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Suggested Enhancement for KPA-1500
Message-ID: <F699DB38-4FEA-4D49-9872-3D8BF68DC66C@contoso.com>

I have a KPA-1500 amp in our station, and I use it on a daily basis in a remote configuration to operate our station. Fan noise is not an issue here because we are not in the same location as the amplifier. Further, we do mostly digital modes (MSK144, FT8, Q65, etc.) which are high duty cycle. I mostly use the remote app to force the fan speed to a higher level than the factory fan curve to help keep the amp cool. It would be nice if the KPA-1500 FW had a few fan profiles to choose from to help keep the amp cool when running high duty cycle modes. This way, operators such as myself who do a lot of high-duty cycle modes could keep their KPA-1500?s cooler and extend the life of the amplifier.

Best and 73,

Fred (AB1OC)
President, Nashua Area Radio Society

ARISS Mentor and Telebridge Station

ab1oc at arrl.net<mailto:ab1oc at arrl.net>
Visit Nashua ARS Website ? https://www.n1fd.org<https://www.n1fd.org/>
Visit our Blog ? https://stationproject.blog<https://stationproject.blog/>

From mgcizek at gmail.com  Fri Mar 12 09:06:46 2021
From: mgcizek at gmail.com (Mike Cizek W0VTT)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 08:06:46 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Suggested Enhancement for KPA-1500
In-Reply-To: <F699DB38-4FEA-4D49-9872-3D8BF68DC66C@contoso.com>
References: <F699DB38-4FEA-4D49-9872-3D8BF68DC66C@contoso.com>
Message-ID: <007201d71748$f154ce30$d3fe6a90$@gmail.com>

Hello Fred,

I use the programmable function keys for this:

PF1=  ^fc2;   
PF2=  ^fc0;

Fan speed 2 is usually enough to keep the heatsink temp below 70C.
----
73,
Mike Cizek W0VTT

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Fred Kemmerer
Sent: Friday, 12 March, 2021 07:53
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Suggested Enhancement for KPA-1500

I have a KPA-1500 amp in our station, and I use it on a daily basis in a remote configuration to operate our station. Fan noise is not an issue here because we are not in the same location as the amplifier. Further, we do mostly digital modes (MSK144, FT8, Q65, etc.) which are high duty cycle. I mostly use the remote app to force the fan speed to a higher level than the factory fan curve to help keep the amp cool. It would be nice if the KPA-1500 FW had a few fan profiles to choose from to help keep the amp cool when running high duty cycle modes. This way, operators such as myself who do a lot of high-duty cycle modes could keep their KPA-1500?s cooler and extend the life of the amplifier.

Best and 73,

Fred (AB1OC)
President, Nashua Area Radio Society

ARISS Mentor and Telebridge Station

ab1oc at arrl.net<mailto:ab1oc at arrl.net>
Visit Nashua ARS Website ? https://www.n1fd.org<https://www.n1fd.org/>
Visit our Blog ? https://stationproject.blog<https://stationproject.blog/>
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From n4zr at comcast.net  Fri Mar 12 09:16:57 2021
From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 09:16:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Suggested Enhancement for KPA-1500
In-Reply-To: <007201d71748$f154ce30$d3fe6a90$@gmail.com>
References: <F699DB38-4FEA-4D49-9872-3D8BF68DC66C@contoso.com>
	<007201d71748$f154ce30$d3fe6a90$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a9ddc4fc-865c-a0fb-bd08-c854a50020d5@comcast.net>

Fanticipator, a free Windows app from K8UT, also has some helpful 
capabilities in this regard.

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
web server at <http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

On 3/12/2021 9:06 AM, Mike Cizek W0VTT wrote:
> Hello Fred,
>
> I use the programmable function keys for this:
>
> PF1=  ^fc2;
> PF2=  ^fc0;
>
> Fan speed 2 is usually enough to keep the heatsink temp below 70C.
> ----
> 73,
> Mike Cizek W0VTT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Fred Kemmerer
> Sent: Friday, 12 March, 2021 07:53
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Suggested Enhancement for KPA-1500
>
> I have a KPA-1500 amp in our station, and I use it on a daily basis in a remote configuration to operate our station. Fan noise is not an issue here because we are not in the same location as the amplifier. Further, we do mostly digital modes (MSK144, FT8, Q65, etc.) which are high duty cycle. I mostly use the remote app to force the fan speed to a higher level than the factory fan curve to help keep the amp cool. It would be nice if the KPA-1500 FW had a few fan profiles to choose from to help keep the amp cool when running high duty cycle modes. This way, operators such as myself who do a lot of high-duty cycle modes could keep their KPA-1500?s cooler and extend the life of the amplifier.
>
> Best and 73,
>
> Fred (AB1OC)
> President, Nashua Area Radio Society
>
> ARISS Mentor and Telebridge Station
>
> ab1oc at arrl.net<mailto:ab1oc at arrl.net>
> Visit Nashua ARS Website ? https://www.n1fd.org<https://www.n1fd.org/>
> Visit our Blog ? https://stationproject.blog<https://stationproject.blog/>
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From fkemmerer at anita-fred.net  Fri Mar 12 09:33:07 2021
From: fkemmerer at anita-fred.net (Fred Kemmerer)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 14:33:07 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Suggested Enhancement for KPA-1500
In-Reply-To: <007201d71748$f154ce30$d3fe6a90$@gmail.com>
References: <F699DB38-4FEA-4D49-9872-3D8BF68DC66C@contoso.com>
	<007201d71748$f154ce30$d3fe6a90$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1CD5A5DF-204F-40F8-87F0-753A4CC6389C@anita-fred.net>

Thank you, Mike, for the helpful suggestion. I do something similar here. The problem is that it's easy to forget that you have increased the fan speed during long idle periods when you are not in the same room as the amplifier. This results in unnecessary wear on the fans. I'd like to have the benefits of the automatic fan curve but also to have a choice of more aggressive automatic fan curves to handle high duty cycle modes like FT8, etc.

Best and 73,
 
Fred (AB1OC)
ARISS Mentor and Telebridge Station
 
ab1oc at arrl.net
Visit Nashua ARS Website ? https://www.n1fd.org <https://www.n1fd.org/>
Visit our Blog ? https://stationproject.blog <https://stationproject.blog/>

?On 3/12/21, 9:06 AM, "Mike Cizek W0VTT" <mgcizek at gmail.com> wrote:

    Hello Fred,

    I use the programmable function keys for this:

    PF1=  ^fc2;   
    PF2=  ^fc0;

    Fan speed 2 is usually enough to keep the heatsink temp below 70C.
    ----
    73,
    Mike Cizek W0VTT

    -----Original Message-----
    From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Fred Kemmerer
    Sent: Friday, 12 March, 2021 07:53
    To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
    Subject: [Elecraft] Suggested Enhancement for KPA-1500

    I have a KPA-1500 amp in our station, and I use it on a daily basis in a remote configuration to operate our station. Fan noise is not an issue here because we are not in the same location as the amplifier. Further, we do mostly digital modes (MSK144, FT8, Q65, etc.) which are high duty cycle. I mostly use the remote app to force the fan speed to a higher level than the factory fan curve to help keep the amp cool. It would be nice if the KPA-1500 FW had a few fan profiles to choose from to help keep the amp cool when running high duty cycle modes. This way, operators such as myself who do a lot of high-duty cycle modes could keep their KPA-1500?s cooler and extend the life of the amplifier.

    Best and 73,

    Fred (AB1OC)
    President, Nashua Area Radio Society

    ARISS Mentor and Telebridge Station

    ab1oc at arrl.net<mailto:ab1oc at arrl.net>
    Visit Nashua ARS Website ? https://www.n1fd.org<https://www.n1fd.org/>
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From ab7echo at gmail.com  Fri Mar 12 13:00:30 2021
From: ab7echo at gmail.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 11:00:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] March/April NCJ
In-Reply-To: <1615552614723-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1615552614723-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <c608ce22-eb1a-f60c-343e-ca1ccea307f4@gmail.com>


It's an interesting article, but in my opinion the flaw in it is that it 
relies so heavily on eHam satisfaction ratings.? There is a very wide 
range of user criteria for what makes a "good rig", and eHam ratings are 
notoriously flawed anyway.? Many ratings are from folks who aren't very 
discerning in the first place (skewing the ratings upward) and I once 
did a profile of over 2,000 eHam ratings that found they were heavily 
spread downward by things other than performance,? such as shipping 
issues or vendor support.? The author's use of statistical analysis is 
impressive, but as they say, "garbage in, garbage out."

Just my opinion ...

73,
Dave?? AB7E




On 3/12/2021 5:36 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:
> The latest NCJ issue has HF Transceiver Price vs Performance, Part 2.
> Elecraft does very well overall in this comprehensive article!  If you're an
> ARRL member, you can view online at this link (login required):
>
> http://www.arrl.org/arrl-magazines
>
> Sorry if this has been posted before but I searched and could not find it.
>
> 73,  Bill  W4ZV
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Mar 12 14:39:54 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 11:39:54 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Suggested Enhancement for KPA-1500
In-Reply-To: <1CD5A5DF-204F-40F8-87F0-753A4CC6389C@anita-fred.net>
References: <F699DB38-4FEA-4D49-9872-3D8BF68DC66C@contoso.com>
	<007201d71748$f154ce30$d3fe6a90$@gmail.com>
	<1CD5A5DF-204F-40F8-87F0-753A4CC6389C@anita-fred.net>
Message-ID: <8da60b17-1294-9b21-32e0-68d3160762b7@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 3/12/2021 6:33 AM, Fred Kemmerer wrote:
> I do something similar here. The problem is that it's easy to forget that you have increased the fan speed during long idle periods when you are not in the same room as the amplifier. This results in unnecessary wear on the fans.

My neighbor K6XX is the mfg engineer for Elecraft amps. This summer, Bob 
lost his home and large contesting station to a wildfire, and borrowed 
my KPA1500 for a weekend contest. When he returned it, he noted that one 
of my fans had excessive wear and was jammed with dust. Since I use the 
amp a lot on 6M with digital modes, it can run really hot, especially 
with long MS QSOs, so I did what you did -- setting the fan speed very 
high from the start. Bob advised me to set the default speed to zero and 
let the amp speed it up as required. I've since been doing that, and 
while the temp gets up to 90C, the amp seems happy.

6M is the most challenging for this amp because the devices are least 
efficient, so I limit my power to about 1kW on 6M using long intervals 
(like Q65-60 or -120).

73, Jim K9YC

From bill at wjschmidt.com  Fri Mar 12 14:45:53 2021
From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 13:45:53 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Suggested Enhancement for KPA-1500
In-Reply-To: <8da60b17-1294-9b21-32e0-68d3160762b7@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <F699DB38-4FEA-4D49-9872-3D8BF68DC66C@contoso.com>	<007201d71748$f154ce30$d3fe6a90$@gmail.com>	<1CD5A5DF-204F-40F8-87F0-753A4CC6389C@anita-fred.net>
	<8da60b17-1294-9b21-32e0-68d3160762b7@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <016701d71778$50aae390$f200aab0$@wjschmidt.com>

I use my KPA1500 for contesting... and it's never hot... but I do worry
about the fans wearing out.  At one point I asked Elecraft if they had a
"Fan Kit" for it that I could keep in stock here in the Caribbean just in
case one went south in the middle of a contest...


Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ 

email:  bill at wjschmidt.com
 


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From k8tb at bosscher.org  Fri Mar 12 15:13:59 2021
From: k8tb at bosscher.org (Tom)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 15:13:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Suggested Enhancement for KPA-1500
In-Reply-To: <016701d71778$50aae390$f200aab0$@wjschmidt.com>
References: <F699DB38-4FEA-4D49-9872-3D8BF68DC66C@contoso.com>
	<007201d71748$f154ce30$d3fe6a90$@gmail.com>
	<1CD5A5DF-204F-40F8-87F0-753A4CC6389C@anita-fred.net>
	<8da60b17-1294-9b21-32e0-68d3160762b7@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<016701d71778$50aae390$f200aab0$@wjschmidt.com>
Message-ID: <fb8a820a-4f4f-5ae5-fe13-099fb264ce60@bosscher.org>

Dr. William,
In your case I would recommend that you have a spare fan or two. I 
retired two years ago from full time radio broadcast engineering. 
Technology has really changed everything. But starting 10 years ago, I 
ordered spare fans for every critical item in the broadcast chain. other 
engineers in town though i was nuts, but i was the one they called when 
they lost a fan. (Markup was usually lunch!). A typical Nautel 
transmitter today may have 30+ fans in it. Fans and power supplies. 90% 
of broadcast equipment failure is the power supply. I have a KPA-500, 
and I am not worried about its power supply. But those wall warts and 
even the cheap inside power supplies today are the reason i still get 
paid to be on call for stations. But for your piece of mind, I would 
have a set of fans on hand.

Tom Bosscher K8TB? (yes, my K3 is # 53!)



On 3/12/2021 2:45 PM, Dr. William J. Schmidt wrote:
> I use my KPA1500 for contesting... and it's never hot... but I do worry
> about the fans wearing out.  At one point I asked Elecraft if they had a
> "Fan Kit" for it that I could keep in stock here in the Caribbean just in
> case one went south in the middle of a contest...
>
>
> Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ
>
> email:  bill at wjschmidt.com
>   
>
>



From n0nb at n0nb.us  Fri Mar 12 18:39:48 2021
From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 17:39:48 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] March/April NCJ
In-Reply-To: <c608ce22-eb1a-f60c-343e-ca1ccea307f4@gmail.com>
References: <1615552614723-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<c608ce22-eb1a-f60c-343e-ca1ccea307f4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20210312233948.7dmazqda5vygmyt5@n0nb.us>

My assessment of eham reviews over the years is that there are some hams
who can break an anvil with a rubber mallet!

73, Nate, N0NB

-- 

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possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."

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From ned.mountain at mindspring.com  Fri Mar 12 20:44:43 2021
From: ned.mountain at mindspring.com (Ned Mountain)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 20:44:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] being rejected
Message-ID: <009701d717aa$70d42730$527c7590$@mountain@mindspring.com>

<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>: host mx.spamexperts.com[38.89.254.156] said: 550

    162.253.133.85 is not allowed to send mail from mindspring.com. Please
see

    the SPF record, with scope mfrom, identity ned.mountain at mindspring.com,
and

    ip 162.253.133.85 (in reply to end of DATA command)

 


From julia at juliatuttle.net  Fri Mar 12 21:23:45 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 21:23:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] being rejected
In-Reply-To: <604c1938.1c69fb81.130bc.3b06SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
References: <604c1938.1c69fb81.130bc.3b06SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrOGO-4TqOOaf4zVM+E_rAemfgU_RTNxqeCRnY3MrN=YoA@mail.gmail.com>

Alright, so:

Nabble[1] is trying to send mail from your Mindspring address to
mailman.qth.net.

Mindspring has an SPF record, which lists which servers are allowed to send
outgoing messages from mindspring.com. Generally this lists Mindspring's
email servers, and messages sent from anyone else are assumed to be spam.
This is good; it's a step towards preventing junk and forged email.

mailman.qth.net uses spamexperts for spam filtering[2], and spamexperts'
server is rejecting your message because Nabble's outgoing mail server
isn't one of Mingspring's allowed servers. This is good; Nabble could well
be a spammer, or someone could be using Nabble to forge messages from
Mindspring's customers.

The way to fix this is to email the list directly (elecraft at mailman.qth.net)
from your Mindspring account, using their webmail or a client pointed at
their SMTP server.

[1] I found this by looking up the reverse DNS for 162.253.133.85, which is
n2.nabble.com.
[2] I found this by looking up the MX record for mailman.qth.net, which is
mx.spamexperts.com (plus a couple of fallback servers).

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 8:45 PM Ned Mountain <ned.mountain at mindspring.com>
wrote:

> <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>: host mx.spamexperts.com[38.89.254.156] said:
> 550
>
>     162.253.133.85 is not allowed to send mail from mindspring.com. Please
> see
>
>     the SPF record, with scope mfrom, identity ned.mountain at mindspring.com
> ,
> and
>
>     ip 162.253.133.85 (in reply to end of DATA command)
>
>
>
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From julia at juliatuttle.net  Fri Mar 12 21:38:16 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 21:38:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] being rejected
In-Reply-To: <604c241c.1c69fb81.fe8cb.4106SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
References: <604c1938.1c69fb81.130bc.3b06SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
	<CAEVEBrOGO-4TqOOaf4zVM+E_rAemfgU_RTNxqeCRnY3MrN=YoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<604c241c.1c69fb81.fe8cb.4106SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrP5JFghvjS3d-zzn23Kf_pEStO3=rCW0ecT9=7h3ASKZA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ned,

Sorry about that -- the short answer is:

1. Go here http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft and subscribe.
2. You'll get list messages in your regular email inbox.
3. You can post or reply by emailing elecraft at mailman.qth.net.

73,

Julie



On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 9:31 PM Ned Mountain <ned.mountain at mindspring.com>
wrote:

> Thanks Julia, but this is all Greek to me.  I have used this Mindspring
> account for 15+ years and have in the past had no trouble the posts.  I
> guess I will give up and go away.
>
>
>
> Thanks anyway.
>
>
>
> Ned
>
> WC4X
>
>
>
> *From:* Julia Tuttle [mailto:julia at juliatuttle.net]
> *Sent:* Friday, March 12, 2021 9:24 PM
> *To:* Ned Mountain
> *Cc:* Elecraft
> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] being rejected
>
>
>
> Alright, so:
>
>
>
> Nabble[1] is trying to send mail from your Mindspring address to
> mailman.qth.net.
>
>
>
> Mindspring has an SPF record, which lists which servers are allowed to
> send outgoing messages from mindspring.com. Generally this lists
> Mindspring's email servers, and messages sent from anyone else are assumed
> to be spam. This is good; it's a step towards preventing junk and forged
> email.
>
>
>
> mailman.qth.net uses spamexperts for spam filtering[2], and spamexperts'
> server is rejecting your message because Nabble's outgoing mail server
> isn't one of Mingspring's allowed servers. This is good; Nabble could well
> be a spammer, or someone could be using Nabble to forge messages from
> Mindspring's customers.
>
>
>
> The way to fix this is to email the list directly (
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net) from your Mindspring account, using their
> webmail or a client pointed at their SMTP server.
>
>
>
> [1] I found this by looking up the reverse DNS for 162.253.133.85, which
> is n2.nabble.com.
>
> [2] I found this by looking up the MX record for mailman.qth.net, which
> is mx.spamexperts.com (plus a couple of fallback servers).
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 8:45 PM Ned Mountain <ned.mountain at mindspring.com>
> wrote:
>
> <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>: host mx.spamexperts.com[38.89.254.156] said:
> 550
>
>     162.253.133.85 is not allowed to send mail from mindspring.com. Please
> see
>
>     the SPF record, with scope mfrom, identity ned.mountain at mindspring.com
> ,
> and
>
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>
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From dave at w8fgu.com  Sat Mar 13 10:37:58 2021
From: dave at w8fgu.com (Dave Van Wallaghen)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 15:37:58 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend
Message-ID: <eme42d14a6-89e2-422e-b2e5-4b5712829458@w8fgu-desktop>

For any of you attending the QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend 
https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/
I was scheduled to present a couple of sessions regarding Elecraft's 
Classic Line of products with a discussion on buying used rigs and 
getting a start in building our kits. There have been a couple of 
technical issues, and so at this point, they still have not been 
scheduled as yet.

But, I will be working in my shop most of the day, and we do have a 
Classic Line Table in the Elecraft booth if you would like to stop by 
and chat. I will login to the table with my camera and mic muted, but if 
you see our logo with my initials DV at the table, just make some noise 
so I know you are there and we can chat about anything you would like 
related to Elecraft's Classic Line of products.

Hope to talk with you soon...

73,
Dave, W8FGU


From jimk0xu at gmail.com  Sat Mar 13 10:56:35 2021
From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 09:56:35 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] March/April NCJ
In-Reply-To: <20210312233948.7dmazqda5vygmyt5@n0nb.us>
References: <1615552614723-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<c608ce22-eb1a-f60c-343e-ca1ccea307f4@gmail.com>
	<20210312233948.7dmazqda5vygmyt5@n0nb.us>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4boQDAN-G7RE11KHo_mvj2nx57g+Z_mL+TYxiWmcF5RHA@mail.gmail.com>

When looking at eham reviews I really only read the ones that give a rating
of 4 or less. The total number of reviews only tell you how many units are
out there. The 5 ratings seem to mostly be people patting themselves on the
back about what a great product they bought and give no useful information.
I look at the ones by people who are not so satisfied, there is usually
more useful information there. Sure there are the folks that give a 4
rating because "it only comes in black", but if you look for trends you can
often find trends.

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 5:40 PM Nate Bargmann <n0nb at n0nb.us> wrote:

> My assessment of eham reviews over the years is that there are some hams
> who can break an anvil with a rubber mallet!
>
> 73, Nate, N0NB
>
> --
>
> "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
> possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."
>
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From rick at tavan.com  Sat Mar 13 11:21:51 2021
From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 08:21:51 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend
In-Reply-To: <eme42d14a6-89e2-422e-b2e5-4b5712829458@w8fgu-desktop>
References: <eme42d14a6-89e2-422e-b2e5-4b5712829458@w8fgu-desktop>
Message-ID: <CANVONALqR9h7kOZSP=cRXAQQ+3MhxPd9DzsDDb3hTMnfyrKphw@mail.gmail.com>

Several of us have been unable to login to HamExpo, either with our
original or regenerated tickets. Any idea how to get in?

/Rick

On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 7:38 AM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com> wrote:

> For any of you attending the QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend
> https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/
> I was scheduled to present a couple of sessions regarding Elecraft's
> Classic Line of products with a discussion on buying used rigs and
> getting a start in building our kits. There have been a couple of
> technical issues, and so at this point, they still have not been
> scheduled as yet.
>
> But, I will be working in my shop most of the day, and we do have a
> Classic Line Table in the Elecraft booth if you would like to stop by
> and chat. I will login to the table with my camera and mic muted, but if
> you see our logo with my initials DV at the table, just make some noise
> so I know you are there and we can chat about anything you would like
> related to Elecraft's Classic Line of products.
>
> Hope to talk with you soon...
>
> 73,
> Dave, W8FGU
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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--

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Truckee and Saratoga, CA

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sat Mar 13 11:24:09 2021
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 08:24:09 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] N6KR now in K4 Technical room at Expo
Message-ID: <9CBC8CB4-7767-49BD-9492-AE89C3EC5F5B@elecraft.com>

Getting a bit of a late start today, but then again, it's Saturday :)

Hope to see some of you in the Elecraft lounge today.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


-----

Elecraft...Full-Contact Ham Radio
www.elecraft.com

QSO Today Ham Expo gold sponsor; March 13-14, 2021
www.qsotodayhamexpo.com




From david.n5dch at gmail.com  Sat Mar 13 11:30:24 2021
From: david.n5dch at gmail.com (David Herring)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 09:30:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend
In-Reply-To: <CANVONALqR9h7kOZSP=cRXAQQ+3MhxPd9DzsDDb3hTMnfyrKphw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <eme42d14a6-89e2-422e-b2e5-4b5712829458@w8fgu-desktop>
	<CANVONALqR9h7kOZSP=cRXAQQ+3MhxPd9DzsDDb3hTMnfyrKphw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BA0B66DB-A2C2-4D9E-BFAF-1DD6BFDD21CB@gmail.com>

I don?t know if this will help or is even applicable to you, but in my case I was able to regenerate my ticket once I remembered that I paid with PayPal and that uses a different email than I typically use for ham radio correspondence. Supplying the billing email resulted in a ticket that got me right in.

73,
David - N5DCH



> On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:21 AM, Rick Tavan <rick at tavan.com> wrote:
> 
> Several of us have been unable to login to HamExpo, either with our
> original or regenerated tickets. Any idea how to get in?
> 
> /Rick
> 
> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 7:38 AM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com <mailto:dave at w8fgu.com>> wrote:
> 
>> For any of you attending the QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend
>> https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/
>> I was scheduled to present a couple of sessions regarding Elecraft's
>> Classic Line of products with a discussion on buying used rigs and
>> getting a start in building our kits. There have been a couple of
>> technical issues, and so at this point, they still have not been
>> scheduled as yet.
>> 
>> But, I will be working in my shop most of the day, and we do have a
>> Classic Line Table in the Elecraft booth if you would like to stop by
>> and chat. I will login to the table with my camera and mic muted, but if
>> you see our logo with my initials DV at the table, just make some noise
>> so I know you are there and we can chat about anything you would like
>> related to Elecraft's Classic Line of products.
>> 
>> Hope to talk with you soon...
>> 
>> 73,
>> Dave, W8FGU
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>> 
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>> Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com <mailto:rtavan at gmail.com>
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> --
> 
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From Bob at fctaz.com  Sat Mar 13 12:18:27 2021
From: Bob at fctaz.com (Robert A. Hughes)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 10:18:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Lounge
Message-ID: <C834E0C2-9653-40D7-A8BD-4D2486FA3EE0@fctaz.com>

What is the "Elecraft Lounge??? Can you provide time, link and how to access??

I ran a Google search with no results.

Thanks,

Bob Hughes
Bob at fctaz.com
W7SNR

From ab7echo at gmail.com  Sat Mar 13 12:37:37 2021
From: ab7echo at gmail.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 10:37:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] March/April NCJ
In-Reply-To: <CALhxr4boQDAN-G7RE11KHo_mvj2nx57g+Z_mL+TYxiWmcF5RHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1615552614723-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<c608ce22-eb1a-f60c-343e-ca1ccea307f4@gmail.com>
	<20210312233948.7dmazqda5vygmyt5@n0nb.us>
	<CALhxr4boQDAN-G7RE11KHo_mvj2nx57g+Z_mL+TYxiWmcF5RHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5001e1b7-bd82-5070-4d10-cfe45d6dd76e@gmail.com>


I agree that a preponderance of 5 ratings are from people congratulating 
themselves on their choice, and the text often goes like
"this is a fine rig" or "met all my expectations."

And out of roughly 2,200 eHam ratings I once profiled just for grins, 
almost all of the ratings of 1 star or 2 stars were for service or 
support issues ... which tells you nothing about the rig itself.

I also agree about the need to look for trends in the comments to find 
any worthwhile insight ... which is why the NCJ article that used only 
the summary average ratings is borderline useless to me.

73,
Dave? AB7E




On 3/13/2021 8:56 AM, Jim Rhodes wrote:
> When looking at eham reviews I really only read the ones that give a rating
> of 4 or less. The total number of reviews only tell you how many units are
> out there. The 5 ratings seem to mostly be people patting themselves on the
> back about what a great product they bought and give no useful information.
> I look at the ones by people who are not so satisfied, there is usually
> more useful information there. Sure there are the folks that give a 4
> rating because "it only comes in black", but if you look for trends you can
> often find trends.
>
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 5:40 PM Nate Bargmann <n0nb at n0nb.us> wrote:
>
>> My assessment of eham reviews over the years is that there are some hams
>> who can break an anvil with a rubber mallet!
>>
>> 73, Nate, N0NB
>>
>> --
>>
>> "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
>> possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."
>>
>> Web: https://www.n0nb.us
>> Projects: https://github.com/N0NB
>> GPG fingerprint: 82D6 4F6B 0E67 CD41 F689 BBA6 FB2C 5130 D55A 8819
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>
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>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>> Message delivered to jimk0xu at gmail.com
>>
>


From pincon at erols.com  Sat Mar 13 12:48:05 2021
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 12:48:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] March/April NCJ
In-Reply-To: <5001e1b7-bd82-5070-4d10-cfe45d6dd76e@gmail.com>
References: <1615552614723-0.post@n2.nabble.com>	<c608ce22-eb1a-f60c-343e-ca1ccea307f4@gmail.com>	<20210312233948.7dmazqda5vygmyt5@n0nb.us>	<CALhxr4boQDAN-G7RE11KHo_mvj2nx57g+Z_mL+TYxiWmcF5RHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5001e1b7-bd82-5070-4d10-cfe45d6dd76e@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008101d71831$0ac22a00$20467e00$@erols.com>

Same here.....what a waste of electrons (-), or holes (+)  whichever your preference.
I was hoping for something useful, but it's obvious, Rob's list is the only one that has anything of consequence.

73, Charlie k3ICH


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of David Gilbert
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2021 12:38 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] March/April NCJ


I agree that a preponderance of 5 ratings are from people congratulating themselves on their choice, and the text often goes like "this is a fine rig" or "met all my expectations."

And out of roughly 2,200 eHam ratings I once profiled just for grins, almost all of the ratings of 1 star or 2 stars were for service or support issues ... which tells you nothing about the rig itself.

I also agree about the need to look for trends in the comments to find any worthwhile insight ... which is why the NCJ article that used only the summary average ratings is borderline useless to me.

73,
Dave  AB7E




On 3/13/2021 8:56 AM, Jim Rhodes wrote:
> When looking at eham reviews I really only read the ones that give a 
> rating of 4 or less. The total number of reviews only tell you how 
> many units are out there. The 5 ratings seem to mostly be people 
> patting themselves on the back about what a great product they bought and give no useful information.
> I look at the ones by people who are not so satisfied, there is 
> usually more useful information there. Sure there are the folks that 
> give a 4 rating because "it only comes in black", but if you look for 
> trends you can often find trends.
>
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 5:40 PM Nate Bargmann <n0nb at n0nb.us> wrote:
>
>> My assessment of eham reviews over the years is that there are some 
>> hams who can break an anvil with a rubber mallet!
>>
>> 73, Nate, N0NB
>>
>> --
>>
>> "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible 
>> worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."
>>
>> Web: https://www.n0nb.us
>> Projects: https://github.com/N0NB
>> GPG fingerprint: 82D6 4F6B 0E67 CD41 F689 BBA6 FB2C 5130 D55A 8819
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this 
>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to 
>> jimk0xu at gmail.com
>>
>

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From david.n5dch at gmail.com  Sat Mar 13 12:48:58 2021
From: david.n5dch at gmail.com (David Herring)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 10:48:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Lounge
In-Reply-To: <C834E0C2-9653-40D7-A8BD-4D2486FA3EE0@fctaz.com>
References: <C834E0C2-9653-40D7-A8BD-4D2486FA3EE0@fctaz.com>
Message-ID: <79482684-EF3F-4E4D-BEB1-F7767A2447D9@gmail.com>

Hi Bob,

It?s a virtual computer based meeting room at Elecraft?s virtual booth at the QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo.

You can sign up here: Click here to register for the Expo <https://app.getresponse.com/click.html?x=a62b&lc=SEeKx9&mc=It&s=AgGu3V&u=Fa22&z=ESZewXs&>

Based on my experience with it this morning and the chatter on Elecraft?s reflectors, it?s not working so well.  :-(

73,
David - N5DCH



> On Mar 13, 2021, at 10:18 AM, Robert A. Hughes <Bob at fctaz.com> wrote:
> 
> What is the "Elecraft Lounge??? Can you provide time, link and how to access??
> 
> I ran a Google search with no results.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bob Hughes
> Bob at fctaz.com
> W7SNR
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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> 
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sat Mar 13 12:59:11 2021
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 10:59:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend
In-Reply-To: <CANVONALqR9h7kOZSP=cRXAQQ+3MhxPd9DzsDDb3hTMnfyrKphw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <eme42d14a6-89e2-422e-b2e5-4b5712829458@w8fgu-desktop>
	<CANVONALqR9h7kOZSP=cRXAQQ+3MhxPd9DzsDDb3hTMnfyrKphw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7074bdc3-9a29-42a7-20cc-9bfe435ac48b@triconet.org>

I managed to jump through enough hoops to get in but I don't know why I 
bothered.? What a disaster. Supposedly there are drawing prizes but if there's a 
way to sign up for them, it's eluded me.

I just hope to view the presentations later.

Wes? N7WS


On 3/13/2021 9:21 AM, Rick Tavan wrote:
> Several of us have been unable to login to HamExpo, either with our
> original or regenerated tickets. Any idea how to get in?
>
> /Rick
>
> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 7:38 AM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com> wrote:
>
>> For any of you attending the QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend
>> https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/
>> I was scheduled to present a couple of sessions regarding Elecraft's
>> Classic Line of products with a discussion on buying used rigs and
>> getting a start in building our kits. There have been a couple of
>> technical issues, and so at this point, they still have not been
>> scheduled as yet.
>>
>> But, I will be working in my shop most of the day, and we do have a
>> Classic Line Table in the Elecraft booth if you would like to stop by
>> and chat. I will login to the table with my camera and mic muted, but if
>> you see our logo with my initials DV at the table, just make some noise
>> so I know you are there and we can chat about anything you would like
>> related to Elecraft's Classic Line of products.
>>
>> Hope to talk with you soon...
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave, W8FGU
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>> Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com
>>
>


From radioham at mchsi.com  Sat Mar 13 13:05:07 2021
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 12:05:07 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend
In-Reply-To: <7074bdc3-9a29-42a7-20cc-9bfe435ac48b@triconet.org>
References: <eme42d14a6-89e2-422e-b2e5-4b5712829458@w8fgu-desktop>
	<CANVONALqR9h7kOZSP=cRXAQQ+3MhxPd9DzsDDb3hTMnfyrKphw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7074bdc3-9a29-42a7-20cc-9bfe435ac48b@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <209EF4E9-A494-4730-ABDF-32BFC63E45B1@mchsi.com>

Same here.  

A promising idea may have just died.  My $10 would have been better spent on beer.

David K0LUM


> On Mar 13, 2021, at 11:59 AM, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
> 
> I managed to jump through enough hoops to get in but I don't know why I bothered.  What a disaster. Supposedly there are drawing prizes but if there's a way to sign up for them, it's eluded me.
> 
> I just hope to view the presentations later.
> 
> Wes  N7WS
> 
> 
> On 3/13/2021 9:21 AM, Rick Tavan wrote:
>> Several of us have been unable to login to HamExpo, either with our
>> original or regenerated tickets. Any idea how to get in?
>> 
>> /Rick
>> 
>> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 7:38 AM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> For any of you attending the QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend
>>> https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/
>>> I was scheduled to present a couple of sessions regarding Elecraft's
>>> Classic Line of products with a discussion on buying used rigs and
>>> getting a start in building our kits. There have been a couple of
>>> technical issues, and so at this point, they still have not been
>>> scheduled as yet.
>>> 
>>> But, I will be working in my shop most of the day, and we do have a
>>> Classic Line Table in the Elecraft booth if you would like to stop by
>>> and chat. I will login to the table with my camera and mic muted, but if
>>> you see our logo with my initials DV at the table, just make some noise
>>> so I know you are there and we can chat about anything you would like
>>> related to Elecraft's Classic Line of products.
>>> 
>>> Hope to talk with you soon...
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Dave, W8FGU
>>> 
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>> 
>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>> Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com
>>> 
>> 
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
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> 
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> Message delivered to radioham at mchsi.com


From david.n5dch at gmail.com  Sat Mar 13 13:14:09 2021
From: david.n5dch at gmail.com (David Herring)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 11:14:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend
In-Reply-To: <209EF4E9-A494-4730-ABDF-32BFC63E45B1@mchsi.com>
References: <eme42d14a6-89e2-422e-b2e5-4b5712829458@w8fgu-desktop>
	<CANVONALqR9h7kOZSP=cRXAQQ+3MhxPd9DzsDDb3hTMnfyrKphw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7074bdc3-9a29-42a7-20cc-9bfe435ac48b@triconet.org>
	<209EF4E9-A494-4730-ABDF-32BFC63E45B1@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <498876F9-741E-4B31-AFE2-C612869DE46C@gmail.com>

I was just able to get in the Elecraft Lounge. I spoke with Michelle from Elecraft Sales briefly. She says that to get signed up for the drawing all you have to do is visit the booth. Just go there - nothing else to do. Upon your arrival there, the system will give them your contact information automagically and you will thus be entered.

73,
David - N5DCH



> On Mar 13, 2021, at 11:05 AM, David Christ <radioham at mchsi.com> wrote:
> 
> Same here.  
> 
> A promising idea may have just died.  My $10 would have been better spent on beer.
> 
> David K0LUM
> 
> 
>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 11:59 AM, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org <mailto:wes_n7ws at triconet.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> I managed to jump through enough hoops to get in but I don't know why I bothered.  What a disaster. Supposedly there are drawing prizes but if there's a way to sign up for them, it's eluded me.
>> 
>> I just hope to view the presentations later.
>> 
>> Wes  N7WS
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/13/2021 9:21 AM, Rick Tavan wrote:
>>> Several of us have been unable to login to HamExpo, either with our
>>> original or regenerated tickets. Any idea how to get in?
>>> 
>>> /Rick
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 7:38 AM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> For any of you attending the QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend
>>>> https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/
>>>> I was scheduled to present a couple of sessions regarding Elecraft's
>>>> Classic Line of products with a discussion on buying used rigs and
>>>> getting a start in building our kits. There have been a couple of
>>>> technical issues, and so at this point, they still have not been
>>>> scheduled as yet.
>>>> 
>>>> But, I will be working in my shop most of the day, and we do have a
>>>> Classic Line Table in the Elecraft booth if you would like to stop by
>>>> and chat. I will login to the table with my camera and mic muted, but if
>>>> you see our logo with my initials DV at the table, just make some noise
>>>> so I know you are there and we can chat about anything you would like
>>>> related to Elecraft's Classic Line of products.
>>>> 
>>>> Hope to talk with you soon...
>>>> 
>>>> 73,
>>>> Dave, W8FGU
>>>> 
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>>>> 
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>>>> Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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From Bob at fctaz.com  Sat Mar 13 13:31:56 2021
From: Bob at fctaz.com (Robert A. Hughes)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 11:31:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Lounge
In-Reply-To: <79482684-EF3F-4E4D-BEB1-F7767A2447D9@gmail.com>
References: <C834E0C2-9653-40D7-A8BD-4D2486FA3EE0@fctaz.com>
	<79482684-EF3F-4E4D-BEB1-F7767A2447D9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <59E3C071-8447-48A7-82F7-CF7EBD0A99E0@fctaz.com>

Thanks to all who replied. 


Bob Hughes
Bob at fctaz.com
> On Mar 13, 2021, at 10:48 AM, David Herring <david.n5dch at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
> It?s a virtual computer based meeting room at Elecraft?s virtual booth at the QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo.
> 
> You can sign up here: Click here to register for the Expo <https://app.getresponse.com/click.html?x=a62b&lc=SEeKx9&mc=It&s=AgGu3V&u=Fa22&z=ESZewXs&>
> 
> Based on my experience with it this morning and the chatter on Elecraft?s reflectors, it?s not working so well.  :-(
> 
> 73,
> David - N5DCH
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 10:18 AM, Robert A. Hughes <Bob at fctaz.com <mailto:Bob at fctaz.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> What is the "Elecraft Lounge??? Can you provide time, link and how to access??
>> 
>> I ran a Google search with no results.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Bob Hughes
>> Bob at fctaz.com <mailto:Bob at fctaz.com>
>> W7SNR
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> 
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>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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> 


From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sat Mar 13 13:37:43 2021
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 13:37:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend
In-Reply-To: <498876F9-741E-4B31-AFE2-C612869DE46C@gmail.com>
References: <eme42d14a6-89e2-422e-b2e5-4b5712829458@w8fgu-desktop>
	<CANVONALqR9h7kOZSP=cRXAQQ+3MhxPd9DzsDDb3hTMnfyrKphw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7074bdc3-9a29-42a7-20cc-9bfe435ac48b@triconet.org>
	<209EF4E9-A494-4730-ABDF-32BFC63E45B1@mchsi.com>
	<498876F9-741E-4B31-AFE2-C612869DE46C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F326FC5F-4CE2-48DE-91AC-11B1FAB95EA6@gmail.com>

Obviously the Virtual Hamfest is having some issues.

I was always able to get to everything except the lobbies and booths.  Got an email last night, instructing an email to support at qsotodayhamexpo.com if there was an issue.  Did that.  Received a reply quickly that it was fixed.  But it wasn?t.  Reset my ticket as indicated in this morning?s email.  That didn?t help either.  Sent a second email to the support address this morning telling them it still wasn?t working.  A few minutes later it had actually been fixed.

Apparently some bottom feeder decided to have fun, and, instead of just playing music or putting up a sweeper over the AM Window, QRM?d the hamfest site with a DDoS attack, which complicated things even further.

Anyway ? it was a good presentation this morning, especially with Eric indicating they hoped to have Group #1 out the door by the end of May, +/-.  That was encouraging news, especially if you were, like I was, a couple of months late to the party.  I may still live long enough to get my K4D :-)

There is another K4 Q&A session with Eric added to the schedule for 4:00pm EDT this afternoon.

Grant NQ5T


> On Mar 13, 2021, at 1:14 PM, David Herring <david.n5dch at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I was just able to get in the Elecraft Lounge. I spoke with Michelle from Elecraft Sales briefly. She says that to get signed up for the drawing all you have to do is visit the booth. Just go there - nothing else to do. Upon your arrival there, the system will give them your contact information automagically and you will thus be entered.
> 
> 73,
> David - N5DCH
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 11:05 AM, David Christ <radioham at mchsi.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Same here.  
>> 
>> A promising idea may have just died.  My $10 would have been better spent on beer.
>> 
>> David K0LUM
>> 
>> 


From dean.k2ww at gmail.com  Sat Mar 13 13:45:21 2021
From: dean.k2ww at gmail.com (Dean L)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 13:45:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Lounge
In-Reply-To: <79482684-EF3F-4E4D-BEB1-F7767A2447D9@gmail.com>
References: <C834E0C2-9653-40D7-A8BD-4D2486FA3EE0@fctaz.com>
	<79482684-EF3F-4E4D-BEB1-F7767A2447D9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHh=7inTEuj969vbgcz9c-MfHf6jExfSGR7r4cwMB0k-K9cKrw@mail.gmail.com>

I signed up / PayPal'd and no ticket... Must be monkeyed up
Ugh
73
Dean K2WW

On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 12:51 David Herring <david.n5dch at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Bob,
>
> It?s a virtual computer based meeting room at Elecraft?s virtual booth at
> the QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo.
>
> You can sign up here: Click here to register for the Expo <
> https://app.getresponse.com/click.html?x=a62b&lc=SEeKx9&mc=It&s=AgGu3V&u=Fa22&z=ESZewXs&
> >
>
> Based on my experience with it this morning and the chatter on Elecraft?s
> reflectors, it?s not working so well.  :-(
>
> 73,
> David - N5DCH
>
>
>
> > On Mar 13, 2021, at 10:18 AM, Robert A. Hughes <Bob at fctaz.com> wrote:
> >
> > What is the "Elecraft Lounge??? Can you provide time, link and how to
> access??
> >
> > I ran a Google search with no results.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bob Hughes
> > Bob at fctaz.com
> > W7SNR
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> >
> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> > Message delivered to david.n5dch at gmail.com
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From svholm54 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 13 13:48:06 2021
From: svholm54 at gmail.com (Sverre Holm (LA3ZA))
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 11:48:06 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting QSO
In-Reply-To: <57BFC980-4868-4B94-B202-C1599C2F4308@elecraft.com>
References: <57BFC980-4868-4B94-B202-C1599C2F4308@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1615661286570-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Wayne.

A CW sidetone pitch of 400 Hz is consistent with what little research there
is on this. A paper from 1992 says that "/All subjects improved their
recognition as the frequency was lowered to 500 Hz, some even at 250 Hz./" 

See
https://la3za.blogspot.com/2013/10/studies-on-morse-code-recognition.html



-----
Sverre, LA3ZA

K2 #2198, K3 #3391,
LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com,
LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html
--
Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/

From svholm54 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 13 13:50:04 2021
From: svholm54 at gmail.com (Sverre Holm (LA3ZA))
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 11:50:04 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting QSO
In-Reply-To: <57BFC980-4868-4B94-B202-C1599C2F4308@elecraft.com>
References: <57BFC980-4868-4B94-B202-C1599C2F4308@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1615661404669-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Wayne.

A CW sidetone pitch of 400 Hz is consistent with what little research there
is on this. A paper from 1992 stated that "All subjects improved their
recognition as the frequency was lowered to 500 Hz, some even at 250 Hz."

See
https://la3za.blogspot.com/2013/10/studies-on-morse-code-recognition.html



-----
Sverre, LA3ZA

K2 #2198, K3 #3391,
LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com,
LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html
--
Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sat Mar 13 13:52:59 2021
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 11:52:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] March/April NCJ
In-Reply-To: <5001e1b7-bd82-5070-4d10-cfe45d6dd76e@gmail.com>
References: <1615552614723-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<c608ce22-eb1a-f60c-343e-ca1ccea307f4@gmail.com>
	<20210312233948.7dmazqda5vygmyt5@ n0nb.us>
	<CALhxr4boQDAN-G7RE11KHo_mvj2nx57g+Z_mL+TYxiWmcF5RHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5001e1b7-bd82-5070-4d10-cfe45d6dd76e@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e253a373-24e1-a6d3-a9a7-d802512f79b1@triconet.org>

I bought a European made tri-band Yagi antenna from a friend who had never 
installed it. (I won't mention the manufacturer)? It was still in the unopened 
box after sitting in my friend's garage for some time.? The pieces of tubing 
were shipped inside each other (graduated metric sizes have a lot of clearance 
between sizes) and when I extracted them all I found two pieces for the same 
element were very corroded.? I used my household lye/vinegar method to clean 
them up and assembled the antenna. It worked fine and I decided to write an eHam 
review.

Based on the QC issue I rated it a four stars. I almost immediately got an email 
from the company in which I was accused of improperly storing the antenna and 
all sorts of other things.? It was also claimed that anything less that five 
stars would ruin their business, etc.? I sent photos of the tubing and heard 
back that this was impossible, it's never happened before and so on and so 
forth.? I got so much grief about this that I wrote the reviews people at eHam 
and asked them to pull my review, which they did.

Wes? N7WS

On 3/13/2021 10:37 AM, David Gilbert wrote:
>
> I agree that a preponderance of 5 ratings are from people congratulating 
> themselves on their choice, and the text often goes like
> "this is a fine rig" or "met all my expectations."
>
> And out of roughly 2,200 eHam ratings I once profiled just for grins, almost 
> all of the ratings of 1 star or 2 stars were for service or support issues ... 
> which tells you nothing about the rig itself.
>
> I also agree about the need to look for trends in the comments to find any 
> worthwhile insight ... which is why the NCJ article that used only the summary 
> average ratings is borderline useless to me.
>
> 73,
> Dave? AB7E 


From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sat Mar 13 14:00:14 2021
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 12:00:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting QSO
In-Reply-To: <1615661404669-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <57BFC980-4868-4B94-B202-C1599C2F4308@elecraft.com>
	<1615661404669-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <88b268f9-c4b2-43a1-a7f1-fbecf18088b7@triconet.org>

I use 420 Hz +/- these days when DXing.? With 40 year younger ears I used to use 
500-600 Hz on MS and EME.

On 3/13/2021 11:50 AM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote:
> Wayne.
>
> A CW sidetone pitch of 400 Hz is consistent with what little research there
> is on this. A paper from 1992 stated that "All subjects improved their
> recognition as the frequency was lowered to 500 Hz, some even at 250 Hz."
>
> See
> https://la3za.blogspot.com/2013/10/studies-on-morse-code-recognition.html
>
>
>
> -----
> Sverre, LA3ZA


From djwilcox01 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 13 14:01:02 2021
From: djwilcox01 at yahoo.com (David Wilcox)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 14:01:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend
In-Reply-To: <BA0B66DB-A2C2-4D9E-BFAF-1DD6BFDD21CB@gmail.com>
References: <BA0B66DB-A2C2-4D9E-BFAF-1DD6BFDD21CB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63A11D35-EE66-4FF9-AA96-6FFF70E62C8D@yahoo.com>

I could never get in.  They never sent me the ?ticket? they promised to send on the 12 th.  Tried to sign in with the id letters (not numbers) they sent on my PayPal receipt but no luck.

Sent a question the the help desk but no response.

Dave K8WPE

David J. Wilcox?s iPad

> On Mar 13, 2021, at 11:33 AM, David Herring <david.n5dch at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I don?t know if this will ticket help or is even applicable to you, but in my case I was able to regenerate my ticket once I remembered that I paid with PayPal and that uses a different email than I typically use for ham radio correspondence. Supplying the billing email resulted in a ticket that got me right in.
> 
> 73,
> David - N5DCH
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:21 AM, Rick Tavan <rick at tavan.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Several of us have been unable to login to HamExpo, either with our
>> original or regenerated tickets. Any idea how to get in?
>> 
>> /Rick
>> 
>>> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 7:38 AM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com <mailto:dave at w8fgu.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> For any of you attending the QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend
>>> https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/
>>> I was scheduled to present a couple of sessions regarding Elecraft's
>>> Classic Line of products with a discussion on buying used rigs and
>>> getting a start in building our kits. There have been a couple of
>>> technical issues, and so at this point, they still have not been
>>> scheduled as yet.
>>> 
>>> But, I will be working in my shop most of the day, and we do have a
>>> Classic Line Table in the Elecraft booth if you would like to stop by
>>> and chat. I will login to the table with my camera and mic muted, but if
>>> you see our logo with my initials DV at the table, just make some noise
>>> so I know you are there and we can chat about anything you would like
>>> related to Elecraft's Classic Line of products.
>>> 
>>> Hope to talk with you soon...
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Dave, W8FGU
>>> 
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>> 
>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>> Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com <mailto:rtavan at gmail.com>
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> --
>> 
>> Rick Tavan
>> Truckee and Saratoga, CA
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>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft>
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm <http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm>
>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> 
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> ______________________________________________________________
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From w8nn at charter.net  Sat Mar 13 14:58:25 2021
From: w8nn at charter.net (w8nn at charter.net)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 14:58:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3Mini Interfacing
Message-ID: <019b01d71843$3abe6270$b03b2750$@charter.net>

Can one interface over an ethernet cable?  I want to operate from an
upstairs office to a basement shack.  Any info appreciated! Thanks.

Bill W8NN

 


From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sat Mar 13 14:58:25 2021
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 14:58:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] March/April NCJ
In-Reply-To: <e253a373-24e1-a6d3-a9a7-d802512f79b1@triconet.org>
References: <1615552614723-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<c608ce22-eb1a-f60c-343e-ca1ccea307f4@gmail.com>
	<20210312233948.7dmazqda5vygmyt5@ n0nb.us>
	<CALhxr4boQDAN-G7RE11KHo_mvj2nx57g+Z_mL+TYxiWmcF5RHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5001e1b7-bd82-5070-4d10-cfe45d6dd76e@gmail.com>
	<e253a373-24e1-a6d3-a9a7-d802512f79b1@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <62311F1F-8F8F-4D16-8290-3C7F735BDB93@gmail.com>

At least they just grumbled about your review.

I once posted to a reflector about (what was well known) buggy control firmware in a (non-Elecraft) radio.  (The ?radio" part of the radio was fine, but sometimes you never knew what pressing a front panel button would break next).  I almost immediately received a cease and desist letter via emai from the developer of said firmware, threatening a lawsuit based on potential loss of livelihood and reputation if I didn?t make a retraction.  I made a snark-laden public retraction on the reflector, which I?d guess was lawsuit worthy in itself.  But I guess that was enough.  I never heard from this person again.

I eventually just got rid of the radios and moved on ?. life is too short.

Grant NQ5T


> On Mar 13, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
> 
> I bought a European made tri-band Yagi antenna from a friend who had never installed it. (I won't mention the manufacturer)  It was still in the unopened box after sitting in my friend's garage for some time.  The pieces of tubing were shipped inside each other (graduated metric sizes have a lot of clearance between sizes) and when I extracted them all I found two pieces for the same element were very corroded.  I used my household lye/vinegar method to clean them up and assembled the antenna. It worked fine and I decided to write an eHam review.
> 
> Based on the QC issue I rated it a four stars. I almost immediately got an email from the company in which I was accused of improperly storing the antenna and all sorts of other things.  It was also claimed that anything less that five stars would ruin their business, etc.  I sent photos of the tubing and heard back that this was impossible, it's never happened before and so on and so forth.  I got so much grief about this that I wrote the reviews people at eHam and asked them to pull my review, which they did.
> 
> Wes  N7WS
> 
> On 3/13/2021 10:37 AM, David Gilbert wrote:
>> 
>> I agree that a preponderance of 5 ratings are from people congratulating themselves on their choice, and the text often goes like
>> "this is a fine rig" or "met all my expectations."
>> 
>> And out of roughly 2,200 eHam ratings I once profiled just for grins, almost all of the ratings of 1 star or 2 stars were for service or support issues ... which tells you nothing about the rig itself.
>> 
>> I also agree about the need to look for trends in the comments to find any worthwhile insight ... which is why the NCJ article that used only the summary average ratings is borderline useless to me.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Dave  AB7E 
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Mar 13 15:36:12 2021
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 12:36:12 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] March/April NCJ
In-Reply-To: <62311F1F-8F8F-4D16-8290-3C7F735BDB93@gmail.com>
References: <1615552614723-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<c608ce22-eb1a-f60c-343e-ca1ccea307f4@gmail.com>
	<20210312233948.7dmazqda5vygmyt5@ n0nb.us>
	<CALhxr4boQDAN-G7RE11KHo_mvj2nx57g+Z_mL+TYxiWmcF5RHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5001e1b7-bd82-5070-4d10-cfe45d6dd76e@gmail.com>
	<e253a373-24e1-a6d3-a9a7-d802512f79b1@triconet.org>
	<62311F1F-8F8F-4D16-8290-3C7F735BDB93@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f5e8ccfc-392a-4cc5-0a07-e41f3860cdb7@foothill.net>

I was warned that Yelp has that same problem. 1) I've been told eHam is 
the same, I've never posted a review as a result.? 2)? About all the 
Yelp reviews seem to be good for is identifying that a business is closed.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 3/13/2021 11:58 AM, Grant Youngman wrote:
> At least they just grumbled about your review.
>
> I once posted to a reflector about (what was well known) buggy control firmware in a (non-Elecraft) radio.  (The ?radio" part of the radio was fine, but sometimes you never knew what pressing a front panel button would break next).  I almost immediately received a cease and desist letter via emai from the developer of said firmware, threatening a lawsuit based on potential loss of livelihood and reputation if I didn?t make a retraction.  I made a snark-laden public retraction on the reflector, which I?d guess was lawsuit worthy in itself.  But I guess that was enough.  I never heard from this person again.
>
> I eventually just got rid of the radios and moved on ?. life is too short.
>
> Grant NQ5T
>
>
>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I bought a European made tri-band Yagi antenna from a friend who had never installed it. (I won't mention the manufacturer)  It was still in the unopened box after sitting in my friend's garage for some time.  The pieces of tubing were shipped inside each other (graduated metric sizes have a lot of clearance between sizes) and when I extracted them all I found two pieces for the same element were very corroded.  I used my household lye/vinegar method to clean them up and assembled the antenna. It worked fine and I decided to write an eHam review.
>>
>> Based on the QC issue I rated it a four stars. I almost immediately got an email from the company in which I was accused of improperly storing the antenna and all sorts of other things.  It was also claimed that anything less that five stars would ruin their business, etc.  I sent photos of the tubing and heard back that this was impossible, it's never happened before and so on and so forth.  I got so much grief about this that I wrote the reviews people at eHam and asked them to pull my review, which they did.
>>
>> Wes  N7WS
>>
>> On 3/13/2021 10:37 AM, David Gilbert wrote:
>>> I agree that a preponderance of 5 ratings are from people congratulating themselves on their choice, and the text often goes like
>>> "this is a fine rig" or "met all my expectations."
>>>
>>> And out of roughly 2,200 eHam ratings I once profiled just for grins, almost all of the ratings of 1 star or 2 stars were for service or support issues ... which tells you nothing about the rig itself.
>>>
>>> I also agree about the need to look for trends in the comments to find any worthwhile insight ... which is why the NCJ article that used only the summary average ratings is borderline useless to me.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Dave  AB7E
>>


From bill at wjschmidt.com  Sat Mar 13 15:48:48 2021
From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 14:48:48 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] March/April NCJ
In-Reply-To: <e253a373-24e1-a6d3-a9a7-d802512f79b1@triconet.org>
References: <1615552614723-0.post@n2.nabble.com>	<c608ce22-eb1a-f60c-343e-ca1ccea307f4@gmail.com>	<20210312233948.7dmazqda5vygmyt5@
	n0nb.us>	<CALhxr4boQDAN-G7RE11KHo_mvj2nx57g+Z_mL+TYxiWmcF5RHA@mail.gmail.com>	<5001e1b7-bd82-5070-4d10-cfe45d6dd76e@gmail.com>
	<e253a373-24e1-a6d3-a9a7-d802512f79b1@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <00a601d7184a$456459d0$d02d0d70$@wjschmidt.com>

I had a similar thing happen after purchasing an antenna switch of well-known brand.  I didn't try the switch before it went to the top of the tower but I quickly found that one position had a bad relay.  I was able to use another position to get the thing working.  I posted on eHam and rated it below average in quality because I expected a switch... something so simple... to work out of the box.  I quickly received an email from the manufacturer berating me, suggesting it was my fault for the switch failing for being just another dumb ham (yes, for a simple 12V switch), and that my review would "ruin his business".  This went on for some time, but I did not bend to such rude tactics in favor of the truth.  I also commented that the kick-back diodes were, in my opinion, at tower end where they are not easily serviceable after static discharge (this was not the problem causing the box to fail).

Evidently this has become common-place.


Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ 

email:  bill at wjschmidt.com


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Wes
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2021 12:53 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] March/April NCJ

I bought a European made tri-band Yagi antenna from a friend who had never installed it. (I won't mention the manufacturer)  It was still in the unopened box after sitting in my friend's garage for some time.  The pieces of tubing were shipped inside each other (graduated metric sizes have a lot of clearance between sizes) and when I extracted them all I found two pieces for the same element were very corroded.  I used my household lye/vinegar method to clean them up and assembled the antenna. It worked fine and I decided to write an eHam review.

Based on the QC issue I rated it a four stars. I almost immediately got an email from the company in which I was accused of improperly storing the antenna and all sorts of other things.  It was also claimed that anything less that five stars would ruin their business, etc.  I sent photos of the tubing and heard back that this was impossible, it's never happened before and so on and so forth.  I got so much grief about this that I wrote the reviews people at eHam and asked them to pull my review, which they did.

Wes  N7WS

On 3/13/2021 10:37 AM, David Gilbert wrote:
>
> I agree that a preponderance of 5 ratings are from people 
> congratulating themselves on their choice, and the text often goes 
> like "this is a fine rig" or "met all my expectations."
>
> And out of roughly 2,200 eHam ratings I once profiled just for grins, 
> almost all of the ratings of 1 star or 2 stars were for service or support issues ...
> which tells you nothing about the rig itself.
>
> I also agree about the need to look for trends in the comments to find 
> any worthwhile insight ... which is why the NCJ article that used only 
> the summary average ratings is borderline useless to me.
>
> 73,
> Dave  AB7E

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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sat Mar 13 16:44:24 2021
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 16:44:24 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Additional K4 Q&A Sessions
Message-ID: <E8D198FD-F0D0-4B97-AE93-5F9BD7BF77D2@gmail.com>

Looks like the added K4 Q&A session on the virtual hamfest that Eric mentioned earlier for 4:00pm EDT today didn?t make.

There?s another one on the calendar for 9;00 am PDT tomorrow.

Grant NQ5T

From david.n5dch at gmail.com  Sat Mar 13 16:54:07 2021
From: david.n5dch at gmail.com (David Herring)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 14:54:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Eric presentation live
Message-ID: <8143E571-EEE4-4698-B1F9-ED62E90966C3@gmail.com>

FYI - Eric just came up on airmeet  - supposed to be at 1 but just now starting.

73,
David - N5DCH




From dave.w0zf at gmail.com  Sat Mar 13 16:56:24 2021
From: dave.w0zf at gmail.com (Dave Fugleberg)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 15:56:24 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend
In-Reply-To: <63A11D35-EE66-4FF9-AA96-6FFF70E62C8D@yahoo.com>
References: <BA0B66DB-A2C2-4D9E-BFAF-1DD6BFDD21CB@gmail.com>
	<63A11D35-EE66-4FF9-AA96-6FFF70E62C8D@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAF==Uf1FXdWw2mr8huZcZYoTXDvAr5QBD4acrD=ZaMDTmDxJmw@mail.gmail.com>

Hopefully they'll sort it out and come up with a way for latecomers (like
me!) to register to get the replays.  I had not planned to attend this
weekend for various reasons so did not do the 'early bird' registration.
This morning I checked the speaker list and saw a few sessions that sounded
interesting. The website indicated that the sessions will be available
until mid-April, so I thought I'd register 'at the door' so to speak, and
watch them over the next couple of weeks.
However, the registration page has not been updated for 'at the door'
sales. Then I saw all these emails about problems with tickets and such.
So, I think I'll wait and see if they get it sorted out.
 I attended the inaugural virtual expo last year, and it was pretty well
done, so I suspect this is just teething problems with the new ticketing
system.
Hope the ticketing issue doesn't leave Wayne and Eric all alone in their
booth waiting for customers that can't get past the gate!
73 de W0ZF

On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 1:03 PM David Wilcox via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> I could never get in.  They never sent me the ?ticket? they promised to
> send on the 12 th.  Tried to sign in with the id letters (not numbers) they
> sent on my PayPal receipt but no luck.
>
> Sent a question the the help desk but no response.
>
> Dave K8WPE
>
> David J. Wilcox?s iPad
>
> > On Mar 13, 2021, at 11:33 AM, David Herring <david.n5dch at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?I don?t know if this will ticket help or is even applicable to you, but
> in my case I was able to regenerate my ticket once I remembered that I paid
> with PayPal and that uses a different email than I typically use for ham
> radio correspondence. Supplying the billing email resulted in a ticket that
> got me right in.
> >
> > 73,
> > David - N5DCH
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:21 AM, Rick Tavan <rick at tavan.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Several of us have been unable to login to HamExpo, either with our
> >> original or regenerated tickets. Any idea how to get in?
> >>
> >> /Rick
> >>
> >>> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 7:38 AM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com
> <mailto:dave at w8fgu.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> For any of you attending the QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend
> >>> https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/
> >>> I was scheduled to present a couple of sessions regarding Elecraft's
> >>> Classic Line of products with a discussion on buying used rigs and
> >>> getting a start in building our kits. There have been a couple of
> >>> technical issues, and so at this point, they still have not been
> >>> scheduled as yet.
> >>>
> >>> But, I will be working in my shop most of the day, and we do have a
> >>> Classic Line Table in the Elecraft booth if you would like to stop by
> >>> and chat. I will login to the table with my camera and mic muted, but
> if
> >>> you see our logo with my initials DV at the table, just make some noise
> >>> so I know you are there and we can chat about anything you would like
> >>> related to Elecraft's Classic Line of products.
> >>>
> >>> Hope to talk with you soon...
> >>>
> >>> 73,
> >>> Dave, W8FGU
> >>>
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> >> Truckee and Saratoga, CA
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Mar 13 18:44:36 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 15:44:36 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch
In-Reply-To: <1615661286570-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <57BFC980-4868-4B94-B202-C1599C2F4308@elecraft.com>
	<1615661286570-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <75831679-65d9-8e9c-9b60-8cf42d14d8db@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 3/13/2021 10:48 AM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote:
> A CW sidetone pitch of 400 Hz is consistent with what little research there
> is on this. A paper from 1992 says that "/All subjects improved their
> recognition as the frequency was lowered to 500 Hz, some even at 250 Hz.

As a retired designer of large sound systems, I had to learn a lot about 
acoustics and psychoacoustics (the science of how humans' ear/brain 
interprets what we hear). That science tells us that, like most of our 
senses, hearing is logarithmic both with respect to frequency and 
loudness. This means that our discrimination of one frequency as 
compared to another increases with decreasing frequency. That is, we are 
better able to separate signals from each other with RX pitch set to 
lower frequencies.

73, Jim K9YC

From dave.w0zf at gmail.com  Sat Mar 13 19:06:36 2021
From: dave.w0zf at gmail.com (Dave Fugleberg)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 18:06:36 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch
In-Reply-To: <75831679-65d9-8e9c-9b60-8cf42d14d8db@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <57BFC980-4868-4B94-B202-C1599C2F4308@elecraft.com>
	<1615661286570-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<75831679-65d9-8e9c-9b60-8cf42d14d8db@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <CAF==Uf3BZ0HdjK9WWWNcJrqOehwU0SCHeKjMzF1KdbdanOWWpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Jim, that?s an interesting bit of information. Is that the case even for
people who have excellent hearing at higher frequencies? In other words,
would people with excellent hearing at higher frequencies also benefit from
using a lower frequency side tone?


On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 5:45 PM Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:

> On 3/13/2021 10:48 AM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote:
> > A CW sidetone pitch of 400 Hz is consistent with what little research
> there
> > is on this. A paper from 1992 says that "/All subjects improved their
> > recognition as the frequency was lowered to 500 Hz, some even at 250 Hz.
>
> As a retired designer of large sound systems, I had to learn a lot about
> acoustics and psychoacoustics (the science of how humans' ear/brain
> interprets what we hear). That science tells us that, like most of our
> senses, hearing is logarithmic both with respect to frequency and
> loudness. This means that our discrimination of one frequency as
> compared to another increases with decreasing frequency. That is, we are
> better able to separate signals from each other with RX pitch set to
> lower frequencies.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
> ______________________________________________________________
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From rick at tavan.com  Sat Mar 13 19:41:20 2021
From: rick at tavan.com (Richard Tavan)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 16:41:20 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend
In-Reply-To: <63A11D35-EE66-4FF9-AA96-6FFF70E62C8D@yahoo.com>
References: <BA0B66DB-A2C2-4D9E-BFAF-1DD6BFDD21CB@gmail.com>
	<63A11D35-EE66-4FF9-AA96-6FFF70E62C8D@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <05ea8331-9716-fcef-206d-952bf99a861d@tavan.com>

Thanks, Dave. The system is in even worse shape than it was last time. I 
finally got in by

 1. following the instructions to re-generate a ticket - you have to be
    careful to enter the original order number, a five character string
    you got when they acknowledged your order, in the third field.
 2. When it re-generates the "ticket" you click on it and get to a page
    with a huge logo, instructions on how to repeat the ticket
    re-generation process (don't do it), and some menu items at the top
    to go to exhibits, auditorium, etc.
 3. DON'T LEFT-CLICK the menu items - that puts you in a loop back to
    re-generate the ticket. Instead, RIGHT-CLICK the link which pulls
    down some choices and select Open in a new pane. That works, at
    least for me.

Some of the speakers are very fuzzy, others are clear. Most of the audio 
is OK. The various windows all invoke different sorts of user interfaces 
for the different styles of viewing and interaction. It's all similar to 
Zoom but not quite the same and there are many flavors. YMMV.

GL,

/Rick N6XI


On 3/13/2021 11:01 AM, David Wilcox wrote:
> I could never get in.  They never sent me the ?ticket? they promised to send on the 12 th.  Tried to sign in with the id letters (not numbers) they sent on my PayPal receipt but no luck.
>
> Sent a question the the help desk but no response.
>
> Dave K8WPE
>
> David J. Wilcox?s iPad
>
>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 11:33 AM, David Herring <david.n5dch at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?I don?t know if this will ticket help or is even applicable to you, but in my case I was able to regenerate my ticket once I remembered that I paid with PayPal and that uses a different email than I typically use for ham radio correspondence. Supplying the billing email resulted in a ticket that got me right in.
>>
>> 73,
>> David - N5DCH
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:21 AM, Rick Tavan <rick at tavan.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Several of us have been unable to login to HamExpo, either with our
>>> original or regenerated tickets. Any idea how to get in?
>>>
>>> /Rick
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 7:38 AM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com <mailto:dave at w8fgu.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> For any of you attending the QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend
>>>> https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/
>>>> I was scheduled to present a couple of sessions regarding Elecraft's
>>>> Classic Line of products with a discussion on buying used rigs and
>>>> getting a start in building our kits. There have been a couple of
>>>> technical issues, and so at this point, they still have not been
>>>> scheduled as yet.
>>>>
>>>> But, I will be working in my shop most of the day, and we do have a
>>>> Classic Line Table in the Elecraft booth if you would like to stop by
>>>> and chat. I will login to the table with my camera and mic muted, but if
>>>> you see our logo with my initials DV at the table, just make some noise
>>>> so I know you are there and we can chat about anything you would like
>>>> related to Elecraft's Classic Line of products.
>>>>
>>>> Hope to talk with you soon...
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Dave, W8FGU
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> --
>>>
>>> Rick Tavan
>>> Truckee and Saratoga, CA
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From mgcizek at gmail.com  Sat Mar 13 19:47:40 2021
From: mgcizek at gmail.com (Mike Cizek W0VTT)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 18:47:40 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch
In-Reply-To: <CAF==Uf3BZ0HdjK9WWWNcJrqOehwU0SCHeKjMzF1KdbdanOWWpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57BFC980-4868-4B94-B202-C1599C2F4308@elecraft.com>	<1615661286570-0.post@n2.nabble.com>	<75831679-65d9-8e9c-9b60-8cf42d14d8db@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<CAF==Uf3BZ0HdjK9WWWNcJrqOehwU0SCHeKjMzF1KdbdanOWWpQ@mail.gmail.com>
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As a bass clef guy my entire life, I have my sidetone set at 300 Hz.  Sometimes wish it would go lower.

----
73,
Mike Cizek W0VTT
Retired Bass Trombonist

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From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Dave Fugleberg
Sent: Saturday, 13 March, 2021 18:07
To: Elecraft List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch

Jim, that?s an interesting bit of information. Is that the case even for people who have excellent hearing at higher frequencies? In other words, would people with excellent hearing at higher frequencies also benefit from using a lower frequency side tone?


On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 5:45 PM Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:

> On 3/13/2021 10:48 AM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote:
> > A CW sidetone pitch of 400 Hz is consistent with what little 
> > research
> there
> > is on this. A paper from 1992 says that "/All subjects improved 
> > their recognition as the frequency was lowered to 500 Hz, some even at 250 Hz.
>
> As a retired designer of large sound systems, I had to learn a lot 
> about acoustics and psychoacoustics (the science of how humans' 
> ear/brain interprets what we hear). That science tells us that, like 
> most of our senses, hearing is logarithmic both with respect to 
> frequency and loudness. This means that our discrimination of one 
> frequency as compared to another increases with decreasing frequency. 
> That is, we are better able to separate signals from each other with 
> RX pitch set to lower frequencies.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From billamader at gmail.com  Sat Mar 13 19:50:43 2021
From: billamader at gmail.com (K8TE)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 17:50:43 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] PSK31 with a KX2
In-Reply-To: <r480Ps-10146i-4546919104F64834ACFC399B6220FB51@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <CAO9_kph=SVAmzXU-g5Vw0OYfBWqe-8wn8RP6g2ss_OPpmoCVHw@mail.gmail.com>
	<r480Ps-10146i-4546919104F64834ACFC399B6220FB51@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <1615683043229-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Times change.  ClubLog publishes a weekly summary of uploaded DX contacts at: 
https://clublog.org/dxreport.html.  For this past week, PSK was 0.11% of all
those contacts.  This is a representative sample (not scientific) of
activity by those who use ClubLog.

FT8/4 made up about 61%, SSB & CW just short of 38%.  This gives us a pretty
good idea of where to find the activity.  The summary includes other modes
along with other information.  You may not like it, but it is a close
approximation of reality.

RTTY fans (0.69% in this summary) can't believe there are so few operating
RTTY, except during contest weekends.  If one picks a mode with such small
numbers, one can't expect to find much activity.

I use multiple radios, one of which is dedicated to FTn.  This allows me to
make CW/SSB contacts while the other radio is making FTn contacts.  FTn has
filled in a lot of band-slots and even States on 12m toward 9BWAS for me,
with little skill and minimal effort.  If one pays attention to FTn details,
one can make even more contacts there.  I get tired of clicking.  I don't
like to move my hands off the home keys.

73, Bill, K8TE



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From pubx1 at af2z.net  Sat Mar 13 20:16:46 2021
From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 20:16:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch
In-Reply-To: <75831679-65d9-8e9c-9b60-8cf42d14d8db@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <57BFC980-4868-4B94-B202-C1599C2F4308@elecraft.com>
	<1615661286570-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<75831679-65d9-8e9c-9b60-8cf42d14d8db@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <efb15cbe-96b6-32b1-96a2-9a75d12d5a64@af2z.net>

My default sidetone pitch is 440 Hz, which is plenty sufficient (for me) 
to discriminate between two very close signals signals, if they are not 
too unequal in strength.

I am more interested in choosing the optimum pitch for particular filter 
bandwidths and QRN conditions rather than for discriminating between 
multiple stations. I suppose the wpm speed of the CW signal might also 
come into play in optimum pitch selection. This is probably more 
complicated than just "lower is better".

I'm looking forward to "live" adjustment of signal pitch on the K4. 
Seems to me that adjusting the pitch of the signal would be the natural 
final tweak needed to enhance it.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 03/13/21 18:44, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 3/13/2021 10:48 AM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote:
>> A CW sidetone pitch of 400 Hz is consistent with what little research 
>> there
>> is on this. A paper from 1992 says that "/All subjects improved their
>> recognition as the frequency was lowered to 500 Hz, some even at 250 Hz.
> 
> As a retired designer of large sound systems, I had to learn a lot about 
> acoustics and psychoacoustics (the science of how humans' ear/brain 
> interprets what we hear). That science tells us that, like most of our 
> senses, hearing is logarithmic both with respect to frequency and 
> loudness. This means that our discrimination of one frequency as 
> compared to another increases with decreasing frequency. That is, we are 
> better able to separate signals from each other with RX pitch set to 
> lower frequencies.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From kimochun at gmail.com  Sat Mar 13 20:32:15 2021
From: kimochun at gmail.com (Kimo Chun)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 15:32:15 -1000
Subject: [Elecraft] QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend
Message-ID: <CAG4eVbV_MY4qfO++ENzmHyJej-H0CN6g-XBduWdb515mDzEuFw@mail.gmail.com>

I cannot vouch if I have this all correct. A local ham contacted one of the
vendors who provided this link. It is the sign-in page for AirMeet.com.

https://www.airmeet.com/event/da5bfe00-5f01-11eb-9af0-f5e009e37ce1

The QSO Today Expo lets you visit vendors but I could find no way to get to
any sessions, only the advertised listings for them.

The QSO Today Expo site allows you to create your own e-ticket based on the
receipt ID you received for your payment. It's weird. When you hit Submit
it seems like nothing happens but the top entry field should change to
E-ticket (in blue and is a link). Click on it.

You enter that 5 digit code when you sign up at the Airmeet site and create
your online meeting ID/avatar, whereupon the emailed Airmeet confirmation
gives you the 6 digit verification code. With that you can get into the
online presentations. However, I can't vouch for the times posted. The LIVE
ones are at the top. Pending (who knows really when maybe they were earlier
-as scheduled but never happened so they weren't technically completed) are
listed in the middle and those Completed are moved to the bottom of the
list of events.

I just monitored/re-scrolled through LIVE ones, so-marked, each hour and
joined them if they were of interest. This included Eric's (added?)
afternoon session. He mentioned tomorrow's. (check early as it will become
Daylight Savings in Pacific Time by then).

I give up keeping track and will look towards viewing others later on
playback. Only if you have specific questions for Eric or others is it
critical to attend. Some ended early and some went long. It's up to the
moderator if meeting attendees stop asking questions...

I hope I got this procedure correct. Apologies if it isn't. I'm not going
through that again... maybe you can see Eric's presentation tomorrow if you
get this in time. Someone will correct me I'm sure.

Good luck,
Kimo Chun KH7U

From radioham at mchsi.com  Sat Mar 13 21:54:29 2021
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 20:54:29 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend
In-Reply-To: <05ea8331-9716-fcef-206d-952bf99a861d@tavan.com>
References: <BA0B66DB-A2C2-4D9E-BFAF-1DD6BFDD21CB@gmail.com>
	<63A11D35-EE66-4FF9-AA96-6FFF70E62C8D@yahoo.com>
	<05ea8331-9716-fcef-206d-952bf99a861d@tavan.com>
Message-ID: <5C85BFAC-7E40-41D9-A7E8-22A3026330E4@mchsi.com>

Thanks Rick.  I got it to work.  Your info provided the clues but there were some items that were hidden at first.  Too difficult to describe.

David K0LUM

> On Mar 13, 2021, at 6:41 PM, Richard Tavan <rick at tavan.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Dave. The system is in even worse shape than it was last time. I finally got in by
> 
> 1. following the instructions to re-generate a ticket - you have to be
>   careful to enter the original order number, a five character string
>   you got when they acknowledged your order, in the third field.
> 2. When it re-generates the "ticket" you click on it and get to a page
>   with a huge logo, instructions on how to repeat the ticket
>   re-generation process (don't do it), and some menu items at the top
>   to go to exhibits, auditorium, etc.
> 3. DON'T LEFT-CLICK the menu items - that puts you in a loop back to
>   re-generate the ticket. Instead, RIGHT-CLICK the link which pulls
>   down some choices and select Open in a new pane. That works, at
>   least for me.
> 
> Some of the speakers are very fuzzy, others are clear. Most of the audio is OK. The various windows all invoke different sorts of user interfaces for the different styles of viewing and interaction. It's all similar to Zoom but not quite the same and there are many flavors. YMMV.
> 
> GL,
> 
> /Rick N6XI
> 
> 
> On 3/13/2021 11:01 AM, David Wilcox wrote:
>> I could never get in.  They never sent me the ?ticket? they promised to send on the 12 th.  Tried to sign in with the id letters (not numbers) they sent on my PayPal receipt but no luck.
>> 
>> Sent a question the the help desk but no response.
>> 
>> Dave K8WPE
>> 
>> David J. Wilcox?s iPad
>> 
>>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 11:33 AM, David Herring <david.n5dch at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?I don?t know if this will ticket help or is even applicable to you, but in my case I was able to regenerate my ticket once I remembered that I paid with PayPal and that uses a different email than I typically use for ham radio correspondence. Supplying the billing email resulted in a ticket that got me right in.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> David - N5DCH
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:21 AM, Rick Tavan <rick at tavan.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Several of us have been unable to login to HamExpo, either with our
>>>> original or regenerated tickets. Any idea how to get in?
>>>> 
>>>> /Rick
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 7:38 AM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com <mailto:dave at w8fgu.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> For any of you attending the QSO Today Virtual Ham Expo this weekend
>>>>> https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/
>>>>> I was scheduled to present a couple of sessions regarding Elecraft's
>>>>> Classic Line of products with a discussion on buying used rigs and
>>>>> getting a start in building our kits. There have been a couple of
>>>>> technical issues, and so at this point, they still have not been
>>>>> scheduled as yet.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But, I will be working in my shop most of the day, and we do have a
>>>>> Classic Line Table in the Elecraft booth if you would like to stop by
>>>>> and chat. I will login to the table with my camera and mic muted, but if
>>>>> you see our logo with my initials DV at the table, just make some noise
>>>>> so I know you are there and we can chat about anything you would like
>>>>> related to Elecraft's Classic Line of products.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hope to talk with you soon...
>>>>> 
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Dave, W8FGU
>>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> --
>>>> 
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>>>> Truckee and Saratoga, CA
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Mar 13 22:20:16 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 19:20:16 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch
In-Reply-To: <CAF==Uf3BZ0HdjK9WWWNcJrqOehwU0SCHeKjMzF1KdbdanOWWpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57BFC980-4868-4B94-B202-C1599C2F4308@elecraft.com>
	<1615661286570-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<75831679-65d9-8e9c-9b60-8cf42d14d8db@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<CAF==Uf3BZ0HdjK9WWWNcJrqOehwU0SCHeKjMzF1KdbdanOWWpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a2541d4c-6f0e-b7a9-88e5-951360b5a1fe@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 3/13/2021 4:06 PM, Dave Fugleberg wrote:
> Jim, that?s an interesting bit of information. Is that the case even for
> people who have excellent hearing at higher frequencies? In other words,
> would people with excellent hearing at higher frequencies also benefit from
> using a lower frequency side tone?

Yes.

73, Jim

From elecraft.list at videotron.ca  Sat Mar 13 22:37:17 2021
From: elecraft.list at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 22:37:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] New release of Win4K3Suite is available
Message-ID: <020801d71883$55834e50$0089eaf0$@videotron.ca>

Hello,
There is a new version of Win4K3Suite available.  This release has a fix for
cases where the KAT500 is used without the KPA500. 

Win4K3Suite is a full featured control program for the K3/S, KX3 and KX2.
It has a built in Panadapter that works with LPPAN and a sound card, as well
as the SDRPlay RSP's. It supports the KAT500, KPA500/1500 and the KXPA100 on
most of the above radios.  
A unique feature is that is has 6 built in Virtual Radios, each of which
works just like an Elecraft radio.  This allows sharing of a single COM port
with up to 6 applications.  It also has a built in HRDLogbook server and the
EiBi Shortwave database.
There are many more features like full access to menu items, a cluster
display using your ClubLog credentials and many more.
You see more information here:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=win4k3suite
and download a fully functional 30 day trial at va2fsq.com

73 Tom
va2fsq.com


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From kevinr at coho.net  Sat Mar 13 22:58:43 2021
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 19:58:43 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <06a22fba-5685-9b4b-b56c-ec857357bb20@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? The week began with wet weather.? Perfect for an net search to 
follow a hint by K0DTJ.? Brian mentioned the Merlin phone app, which 
helps you identify birds.? https://merlin.allaboutbirds.org Part of it 
is sound files.? Deeper digging got me to 
https://www.macaulaylibrary.org/guide-to-bird-sounds/ which had exactly 
the sound files I wanted.? $20 for over 4000 sound files from 900 
species of birds in Canada, the US, Mexico, and parts of South America.? 
It is interesting to notice the regional dialects of a species.? The 
local Pileated Woodpecker population may not understand the call from 
their Carolina cousins.? This summer I will put a few speakers out this 
window and see who I can attract.? Last night the Saw Whet owls woke me 
up.? Maybe I should play their tune during the daytime :)

 ?? One small sunspot is showing, while the auroral oval is stronger 
than last week.? Flux is at 77 sfu.? I expect more noise with deeper 
QSB.? However, you never can tell until you try.? I took a hike to check 
the growth on the thinned trees.? Along the way I tightened the guy 
lines to my antennas.? The winter winds had pulled them upward on the 
shrubs they were holding.? When the weather turns sunny again I will 
trim the central tree of dead branches.? That will let me raise the 
antenna about twenty feet. Then I can test how it works when it is not 
behind a wall of soil.? Luckily that is on the western side; off to the 
east the way is open well into Washington.? On a clear day that is where 
Mt. St. Helens would appear.

Notice the time change.? Same sun angles as last week just one hour 
later on our normal clock.


Please join us on (or near):

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 ? 7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

 ?? 73,
 ????? Kevin. KD5ONS


-




They took me down the grading station
And they classified me zed
'Cause of over population
They told me that I would soon be dead

But I slipped out of the force field
And hid beneath the monorail
But the automatic blood hounds
Lord, they're soon hot along my trail

Now if I had been a scholar
With computer working hard
Then my molecular structure
Would not be on the grader's card

So, I know that they will get me
Put my index in the brain
Then, the atoms of my body
Will be disposed of, Lordy, down the drain


From dave at nk7z.net  Sun Mar 14 00:28:27 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 21:28:27 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Thank you Elecraft
Message-ID: <010e07ff-a9bb-cd57-e712-ee56a5fbb8ca@nk7z.net>

I wanted to drop a note to the Elecraft folks to thank them for all the 
good work they did getting ready for the "event".  It was good to meet a 
few folks I had not, and good to get a few answers I needed.  The K4 
presentation was good, and glad you will have it on YouTube later...

So...  Thanks for your work in setting this up...

-- 
73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

From dave at nk7z.net  Sun Mar 14 00:37:40 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 21:37:40 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch
In-Reply-To: <75831679-65d9-8e9c-9b60-8cf42d14d8db@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <57BFC980-4868-4B94-B202-C1599C2F4308@elecraft.com>
	<1615661286570-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<75831679-65d9-8e9c-9b60-8cf42d14d8db@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <e697a0d3-ebe1-7915-06e5-91b63ed3cbd5@nk7z.net>

Jim,
Here is an interesting story:

I had a hearing test many years ago, and asked to see the results. 
Turns out I had a null at some frequency I don't remember right now, but 
it was exactly where I had selected my sidetone to be...  My guess is 
because I heard less noise there...  Anyway--

I re-selected a new sidetone, lower in frequency, and on a small peak... 
  My CW speed for copy increased probably 10-15%.

Now whenever I get a hearing test, I ask for a copy, and put the 
sidetone where my highest peak is, within the range Elecraft allows for 
sidetone.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 3/13/21 3:44 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 3/13/2021 10:48 AM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote:
>> A CW sidetone pitch of 400 Hz is consistent with what little research 
>> there
>> is on this. A paper from 1992 says that "/All subjects improved their
>> recognition as the frequency was lowered to 500 Hz, some even at 250 Hz.
> 
> As a retired designer of large sound systems, I had to learn a lot about 
> acoustics and psychoacoustics (the science of how humans' ear/brain 
> interprets what we hear). That science tells us that, like most of our 
> senses, hearing is logarithmic both with respect to frequency and 
> loudness. This means that our discrimination of one frequency as 
> compared to another increases with decreasing frequency. That is, we are 
> better able to separate signals from each other with RX pitch set to 
> lower frequencies.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Mar 14 03:15:47 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 23:15:47 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch
In-Reply-To: <e697a0d3-ebe1-7915-06e5-91b63ed3cbd5@nk7z.net>
References: <57BFC980-4868-4B94-B202-C1599C2F4308@elecraft.com>
	<1615661286570-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<75831679-65d9-8e9c-9b60-8cf42d14d8db@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<e697a0d3-ebe1-7915-06e5-91b63ed3cbd5@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <340bfdf4-3a81-4c71-1f91-b14884d7db75@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 3/13/2021 9:37 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
> I had a hearing test many years ago, and asked to see the results. Turns 
> out I had a null at some frequency I don't remember right now, but it 
> was exactly where I had selected my sidetone to be...? My guess is 
> because I heard less noise there...? Anyway--
> 
> I re-selected a new sidetone, lower in frequency, and on a small peak... 
>  ?My CW speed for copy increased probably 10-15%.

One of the most common forms of hearing loss starts at the high 
frequencies and works its way down with age, but that's far from 
universal. When one or more notches develop at certain frequencies, it's 
often the result of noise exposure at work.

73, Jim K9YC

From ehr at qrv.com  Sun Mar 14 06:37:50 2021
From: ehr at qrv.com (E.H. Russell)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 06:37:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch
In-Reply-To: <340bfdf4-3a81-4c71-1f91-b14884d7db75@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <57BFC980-4868-4B94-B202-C1599C2F4308@elecraft.com>	<1615661286570-0.post@n2.nabble.com>	<75831679-65d9-8e9c-9b60-8cf42d14d8db@audiosystemsgroup.com>	<e697a0d3-ebe1-7915-06e5-91b63ed3cbd5@nk7z.net>
	<340bfdf4-3a81-4c71-1f91-b14884d7db75@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <001001d718be$1550d1f0$3ff275d0$@qrv.com>

FWIW At my age hearing of both ears starts to roll off in the 4khz range. I can remember when the upper limit was 20+khz. I'm a bass player so my hearing is quite acute at low frequencies. However for CW I prefer to copy at about 625hz. This is with filters set in the 50-500hz range. If I try to copy at a lower frequency the signal tends to get shrouded by noise. I have not specifically tested the ability to discriminate close signals though.

ED / W2RF




-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Jim Brown
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2021 3:16 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch

On 3/13/2021 9:37 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
> I had a hearing test many years ago, and asked to see the results. 
> Turns out I had a null at some frequency I don't remember right now, 
> but it was exactly where I had selected my sidetone to be...  My guess 
> is because I heard less noise there...  Anyway--
> 
> I re-selected a new sidetone, lower in frequency, and on a small peak... 
>   My CW speed for copy increased probably 10-15%.

One of the most common forms of hearing loss starts at the high frequencies and works its way down with age, but that's far from universal. When one or more notches develop at certain frequencies, it's often the result of noise exposure at work.

73, Jim K9YC
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From jimk0xu at gmail.com  Sun Mar 14 07:45:32 2021
From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 05:45:32 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch
In-Reply-To: <001001d718be$1550d1f0$3ff275d0$@qrv.com>
References: <57BFC980-4868-4B94-B202-C1599C2F4308@elecraft.com>
	<1615661286570-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<75831679-65d9-8e9c-9b60-8cf42d14d8db@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<e697a0d3-ebe1-7915-06e5-91b63ed3cbd5@nk7z.net>
	<340bfdf4-3a81-4c71-1f91-b14884d7db75@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<001001d718be$1550d1f0$3ff275d0$@qrv.com>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4bwWO6_VS4x9wrw03cVybhEuX=fey5h=D86u_c611wqLw@mail.gmail.com>

Anymore I find that my hearing (except for that pesky tinnitus) rolls off
around 1800 hz. I can't hear my auduo in the monitor if I use a tone that
high anyway.

On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 04:39 E.H. Russell <ehr at qrv.com> wrote:

> FWIW At my age hearing of both ears starts to roll off in the 4khz range.
> I can remember when the upper limit was 20+khz. I'm a bass player so my
> hearing is quite acute at low frequencies. However for CW I prefer to copy
> at about 625hz. This is with filters set in the 50-500hz range. If I try to
> copy at a lower frequency the signal tends to get shrouded by noise. I have
> not specifically tested the ability to discriminate close signals though.
>
> ED / W2RF
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> On Behalf Of Jim Brown
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2021 3:16 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch
>
> On 3/13/2021 9:37 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
> > I had a hearing test many years ago, and asked to see the results.
> > Turns out I had a null at some frequency I don't remember right now,
> > but it was exactly where I had selected my sidetone to be...  My guess
> > is because I heard less noise there...  Anyway--
> >
> > I re-selected a new sidetone, lower in frequency, and on a small peak...
> >   My CW speed for copy increased probably 10-15%.
>
> One of the most common forms of hearing loss starts at the high
> frequencies and works its way down with age, but that's far from universal.
> When one or more notches develop at certain frequencies, it's often the
> result of noise exposure at work.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From louandzip at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 14 09:46:46 2021
From: louandzip at yahoo.com (Louandzip)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 13:46:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
In-Reply-To: <06a22fba-5685-9b4b-b56c-ec857357bb20@coho.net>
References: <06a22fba-5685-9b4b-b56c-ec857357bb20@coho.net>
Message-ID: <1536375083.442551.1615729606598@mail.yahoo.com>

 A bit OT, and this is kinda like using a CW decoder, but the Cornell Lab of Ornithology has an phone app, BirdNet. which listens and will identify birds by their calls.? When started, it displays a waterfall display of sound, you drag brackets to surround the call in time, submit it, and it identifies the bird.? It works amazing well in the wild on calls you might think not loud enough to be captured. I tried submitting whistling or talking and it correctly identified the distinctly non-avian species. 

https://birdnet.cornell.edu/

    On Saturday, March 13, 2021, 8:59:41 PM MST, kevinr <kevinr at coho.net> wrote:  
 
 Good Evening,

 ?? The week began with wet weather.? Perfect for an net search to 
follow a hint by K0DTJ.? Brian mentioned the Merlin phone app, which 
helps you identify birds.? https://merlin.allaboutbirds.org Part of it 
is sound files.? Deeper digging got me to 
https://www.macaulaylibrary.org/guide-to-bird-sounds/ which had exactly 
the sound files I wanted.? $20 for over 4000 sound files from 900 
species of birds in Canada, the US, Mexico, and parts of South America.? 
It is interesting to notice the regional dialects of a species.? The 
local Pileated Woodpecker population may not understand the call from 
their Carolina cousins.? This summer I will put a few speakers out this 
window and see who I can attract.? Last night the Saw Whet owls woke me 
up.? Maybe I should play their tune during the daytime :)

 ?? One small sunspot is showing, while the auroral oval is stronger 
than last week.? Flux is at 77 sfu.? I expect more noise with deeper 
QSB.? However, you never can tell until you try.? I took a hike to check 
the growth on the thinned trees.? Along the way I tightened the guy 
lines to my antennas.? The winter winds had pulled them upward on the 
shrubs they were holding.? When the weather turns sunny again I will 
trim the central tree of dead branches.? That will let me raise the 
antenna about twenty feet. Then I can test how it works when it is not 
behind a wall of soil.? Luckily that is on the western side; off to the 
east the way is open well into Washington.? On a clear day that is where 
Mt. St. Helens would appear.

Notice the time change.? Same sun angles as last week just one hour 
later on our normal clock.


Please join us on (or near):

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 ? 7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

 ?? 73,
 ????? Kevin. KD5ONS


-




They took me down the grading station
And they classified me zed
'Cause of over population
They told me that I would soon be dead

But I slipped out of the force field
And hid beneath the monorail
But the automatic blood hounds
Lord, they're soon hot along my trail

Now if I had been a scholar
With computer working hard
Then my molecular structure
Would not be on the grader's card

So, I know that they will get me
Put my index in the brain
Then, the atoms of my body
Will be disposed of, Lordy, down the drain

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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sun Mar 14 11:12:20 2021
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 08:12:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft expo lounge up and running,
	despite the time change
Message-ID: <D7D0AEA8-AE95-4E6E-87F4-0F0620A41389@elecraft.com>

Yes, despite the loss of an hour of sleep (oh, sure..."Spring ahead," someone said), the Elecraft expo team is ready for drop-ins.

Yesterday's small-group discussions were very enjoyable. It did in fact feel like being at Dayton or Pacificon (etc.) at times -- something we all missed last year. I'd like to thank Eric Guth and the QSO Today team for making this format available. 

Today I'll be pulling up the K4 and KX-line 3D models again to answer your questions about design and functionality. Or we could talk about sunspots. Or home-brew of any sort.

Wayne
N6KR



-----

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www.elecraft.com

QSO Today Ham Expo gold sponsor; March 13-14, 2021
www.qsotodayhamexpo.com




From dean.k2ww at gmail.com  Sun Mar 14 11:43:14 2021
From: dean.k2ww at gmail.com (Dean L)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 11:43:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Qso today problems
Message-ID: <CAHh=7ina_HaREaXq-w3mwBbxcWPuZfcrG01pfkVm5_xMYSBPEA@mail.gmail.com>

Anybody else have problems getting a ticket?
I paid my money got my order number now locked out of tickets.

Wasted half a day yesterday trying to get in

73
Dean K2WW

From eric at elecraft.com  Sun Mar 14 11:47:36 2021
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 08:47:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] 9AM PDT Expo K4 Operation and Features Q&A
Message-ID: <CAGe0YDYfmttjfaq62ieRcmSg172u2-kk-HraAUvqbkXpa8bHQA@mail.gmail.com>

I'l be on in the Ham Expo sessions area with "K4 Operation and Features
Q&A" at 9am PDT. (15 min from now or so.)

Its in the sessions area of Ham Expo.    They left "Elecraft" off of the
title, so it will not show up if you use the search icon with "Elecraft".
 Searching sessions with "k4" does work though.

Video Quality looks better today on the Expo site. :-)

See you all there!

Eric
*elecraft.com <http://elecraft.com>*

From david.n5dch at gmail.com  Sun Mar 14 12:04:15 2021
From: david.n5dch at gmail.com (David Herring)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 10:04:15 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Qso today problems
In-Reply-To: <CAHh=7ina_HaREaXq-w3mwBbxcWPuZfcrG01pfkVm5_xMYSBPEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHh=7ina_HaREaXq-w3mwBbxcWPuZfcrG01pfkVm5_xMYSBPEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <24546718-BBDB-449B-A56F-D1BC40FBA66C@gmail.com>

To the best of my knowledge and personal observation, most all of the technical problems have been hashed out. They were hit with a denial of service attack over the Internet yesterday, or so I have been told. And I have heard that they were down some technical support staff as well. All this conspired to make it a rough start yesterday morning.  But supposedly all that has been sorted out and the platform seems to be working now. 

If you?re still having problems, maybe you can get access to their help?  There should be a link somewhere in the info you received.

Also, I am told that we will have access to all this for 30 days after the close of the event, so even if you?ve missed out now you could still see the presentations once you get the ticket thing sorted out.

GL!

73,
David - N5DCH



> On Mar 14, 2021, at 9:43 AM, Dean L <dean.k2ww at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Anybody else have problems getting a ticket?
> I paid my money got my order number now locked out of tickets.
> 
> Wasted half a day yesterday trying to get in
> 
> 73
> Dean K2WW
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From weaverwf at usermail.com  Sun Mar 14 13:34:44 2021
From: weaverwf at usermail.com (weaverwf at usermail.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 13:34:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Qso today problems
In-Reply-To: <CAHh=7ina_HaREaXq-w3mwBbxcWPuZfcrG01pfkVm5_xMYSBPEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHh=7ina_HaREaXq-w3mwBbxcWPuZfcrG01pfkVm5_xMYSBPEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AB2F6903-7AA7-4B24-A33C-401E64A9EE9A@usermail.com>

Did you try the ?Get your ticket by yourself? link? It will ask for your name/call, email address and order number. That is the way I had to get in when my link that they mailed to me didn?t work.

73,
Bill WE5P

Comfortably Numb

> On Mar 14, 2021, at 11:44, Dean L <dean.k2ww at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Anybody else have problems getting a ticket?
> I paid my money got my order number now locked out of tickets.
> 
> Wasted half a day yesterday trying to get in
> 
> 73
> Dean K2WW
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From pvandyke1953 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 14 16:13:54 2021
From: pvandyke1953 at gmail.com (Paul Van Dyke)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 16:13:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 80 Meter Net Sunday Night
Message-ID: <CAEPKcUnuRMmqJh4EDEre3ci9=5YoGN-EuvV-MYUCndtwE4iyFQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey  ... was in the RTTY Contest yesterday and forgot to post to the List
Please go to 3.810 at 01:00 UTC on Sunday Night to allow more General Class
operators to join the fun,,

Don't forget all the other Elecraft Nets.. whether it is CW, SSB
Come Join the Fun

Paul Van Dyke - KB9AVO
   80 Meter Net

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Mar 14 17:00:27 2021
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 14:00:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch
In-Reply-To: <00af01d7186b$a3d324d0$eb796e70$@gmail.com>
References: <57BFC980-4868-4B94-B202-C1599C2F4308@elecraft.com>
	<1615661286570-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<75831679-65d9-8e9c-9b60-8cf42d14d8db@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<CAF==Uf3BZ0HdjK9WWWNcJrqOehwU0SCHeKjMzF1KdbdanOWWpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<00af01d7186b$a3d324d0$eb796e70$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2d1b64dc-a4e5-a8ca-a204-f2ac62f5f6d0@foothill.net>

So, you can hear the CTCSS tones? ?

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 3/13/2021 4:47 PM, Mike Cizek W0VTT wrote:
> As a bass clef guy my entire life, I have my sidetone set at 300 Hz.  Sometimes wish it would go lower.
>
> ----
> 73,
> Mike Cizek W0VTT
> Retired Bass Trombonist
>
>


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Mar 14 17:14:32 2021
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 14:14:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch
In-Reply-To: <340bfdf4-3a81-4c71-1f91-b14884d7db75@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <57BFC980-4868-4B94-B202-C1599C2F4308@elecraft.com>
	<1615661286570-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<75831679-65d9-8e9c-9b60-8cf42d14d8db@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<e697a0d3-ebe1-7915-06e5-91b63ed3cbd5@nk7z.net>
	<340bfdf4-3a81-4c71-1f91-b14884d7db75@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <3ef48ebe-884d-5e0f-3aff-df0cb443c2a2@foothill.net>

As a result of "adventures" in my 20's, the entire audio spectrum is a 
"notch" with a peak around 590-600 Hz [see K9YC's last sentence].? 
That's where I put my sidetone/pitch.? Around 1990 or so, I built a 
little plywood cube with a Mother Bell insert from a standard black 
telephone in it. I filled the box with cotton balls and put it on the 
side of the rig, pointing up.? Over-the-ear headphones had become 
ubiquitous and the old "cans" were no longer available so the 
"headphones on the desk" trick didn't work well.? It was surprising what 
I could copy with the little speaker that was mush with the phones on.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 3/13/2021 11:15 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 3/13/2021 9:37 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
>> I had a hearing test many years ago, and asked to see the results. 
>> Turns out I had a null at some frequency I don't remember right now, 
>> but it was exactly where I had selected my sidetone to be...? My 
>> guess is because I heard less noise there...? Anyway--
>>
>> I re-selected a new sidetone, lower in frequency, and on a small 
>> peak... ??My CW speed for copy increased probably 10-15%.
>
> One of the most common forms of hearing loss starts at the high 
> frequencies and works its way down with age, but that's far from 
> universal. When one or more notches develop at certain frequencies, 
> it's often the result of noise exposure at work.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From dean.k2ww at gmail.com  Sun Mar 14 17:31:40 2021
From: dean.k2ww at gmail.com (Dean L)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 17:31:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Qso today problems
In-Reply-To: <AB2F6903-7AA7-4B24-A33C-401E64A9EE9A@usermail.com>
References: <CAHh=7ina_HaREaXq-w3mwBbxcWPuZfcrG01pfkVm5_xMYSBPEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<AB2F6903-7AA7-4B24-A33C-401E64A9EE9A@usermail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHh=7in1A+4=_o81PSBGPLsVC3nmbavG9kXFyjX=VoAEb6kvGA@mail.gmail.com>

I did all the above and chased my tail, round and round... I switched
browsers, and Finally made it into some  "airmeet "session where EVERYONE
was as put off as me. WOW
Sent numerous emails and called 2 times. Mr Begalli and Tad "Black hole
sun" Cook were on the list of unhappy campers.
This Eric guys must be hiding.
I spent hours on this hoax

Hope all had better luck, never again !!!
73
Dean K2WW

On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 13:34 weaverwf at usermail.com <weaverwf at usermail.com>
wrote:

> Did you try the ?Get your ticket by yourself? link? It will ask for your
> name/call, email address and order number. That is the way I had to get in
> when my link that they mailed to me didn?t work.
>
> 73,
> Bill WE5P
>
> Comfortably Numb
>
> > On Mar 14, 2021, at 11:44, Dean L <dean.k2ww at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Anybody else have problems getting a ticket?
> > I paid my money got my order number now locked out of tickets.
> >
> > Wasted half a day yesterday trying to get in
> >
> > 73
> > Dean K2WW
> > ______________________________________________________________
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From dave at nk7z.net  Sun Mar 14 17:54:53 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 14:54:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch
In-Reply-To: <340bfdf4-3a81-4c71-1f91-b14884d7db75@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <57BFC980-4868-4B94-B202-C1599C2F4308@elecraft.com>
	<1615661286570-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<75831679-65d9-8e9c-9b60-8cf42d14d8db@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<e697a0d3-ebe1-7915-06e5-91b63ed3cbd5@nk7z.net>
	<340bfdf4-3a81-4c71-1f91-b14884d7db75@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <ddfa91c5-2172-dabd-864c-5c884bf3f365@nk7z.net>

Yup, I sat close to a Linkurt Microwave transmitter for about 15 years, 
(the power supply was an early switcher, and hence very loud), then next 
to three Ampex VR1200's VTRs...  All are horrific noisemakers.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 3/13/21 11:15 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 3/13/2021 9:37 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
>> I had a hearing test many years ago, and asked to see the results. 
>> Turns out I had a null at some frequency I don't remember right now, 
>> but it was exactly where I had selected my sidetone to be...? My guess 
>> is because I heard less noise there...? Anyway--
>>
>> I re-selected a new sidetone, lower in frequency, and on a small 
>> peak... ??My CW speed for copy increased probably 10-15%.
> 
> One of the most common forms of hearing loss starts at the high 
> frequencies and works its way down with age, but that's far from 
> universal. When one or more notches develop at certain frequencies, it's 
> often the result of noise exposure at work.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> ______________________________________________________________
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From weaverwf at usermail.com  Sun Mar 14 17:56:48 2021
From: weaverwf at usermail.com (weaverwf at usermail.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 17:56:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Qso today problems
In-Reply-To: <CAHh=7in1A+4=_o81PSBGPLsVC3nmbavG9kXFyjX=VoAEb6kvGA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHh=7in1A+4=_o81PSBGPLsVC3nmbavG9kXFyjX=VoAEb6kvGA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A9AC5861-4979-4F0A-9153-C444A014467E@usermail.com>

Yes there was a big list. It seems that there were various different problems. What worked for one didn?t work for another. After last year I was hopeful but I?ll pass next year.

73,
Bill WE5P

Comfortably Numb

> On Mar 14, 2021, at 17:32, Dean L <dean.k2ww at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I did all the above and chased my tail, round and round... I switched browsers, and Finally made it into some  "airmeet "session where EVERYONE was as put off as me. WOW
> Sent numerous emails and called 2 times. Mr Begalli and Tad "Black hole sun" Cook were on the list of unhappy campers.
> This Eric guys must be hiding.
> I spent hours on this hoax
> 
> Hope all had better luck, never again !!!
> 73
> Dean K2WW
> 
>> On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 13:34 weaverwf at usermail.com <weaverwf at usermail.com> wrote:
>> Did you try the ?Get your ticket by yourself? link? It will ask for your name/call, email address and order number. That is the way I had to get in when my link that they mailed to me didn?t work.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Bill WE5P
>> 
>> Comfortably Numb
>> 
>> > On Mar 14, 2021, at 11:44, Dean L <dean.k2ww at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> > ?Anybody else have problems getting a ticket?
>> > I paid my money got my order number now locked out of tickets.
>> > 
>> > Wasted half a day yesterday trying to get in
>> > 
>> > 73
>> > Dean K2WW
>> > ______________________________________________________________
>> > Elecraft mailing list
>> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> > 
>> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>> > Message delivered to weaverwf at usermail.com 
>> 

From groups at planet3.freeuk.co.uk  Sun Mar 14 19:13:39 2021
From: groups at planet3.freeuk.co.uk (Brian D)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 23:13:39 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch
In-Reply-To: <ddfa91c5-2172-dabd-864c-5c884bf3f365@nk7z.net>
References: <57BFC980-4868-4B94-B202-C1599C2F4308@elecraft.com> 
	<1615661286570-0.post@n2.nabble.com> 
	<75831679-65d9-8e9c-9b60-8cf42d14d8db@audiosystemsgroup.com> 
	<e697a0d3-ebe1-7915-06e5-91b63ed3cbd5@nk7z.net> 
	<340bfdf4-3a81-4c71-1f91-b14884d7db75@audiosystemsgroup.com> 
	<ddfa91c5-2172-dabd-864c-5c884bf3f365@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <mpro.qpzf6r000alwa04ko.groups@planet3.freeuk.co.uk>

Iworked for years on 405 line TV transmitters. I had a notch of at least
40dB at 10.125khz. I was surprised how quickly it disappeared when 405 line
TV closed down, to be replaced by a rolloff at 16kHz. 

I now roll off much lower, and keep moving my default cw sidetone as it
seems to produce a notch after a few contests, I'm currently at 650Hz but
will try 700 again soon.



Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:

> > One of the most common forms of hearing loss starts at the high
> > frequencies and works its way down with age, but that's far from
> > universal. When one or more notches develop at certain frequencies, it's
> > often the result of noise exposure at work.
> > 


-- 
Brian D
G3VGZ  Yarm    England

From w8lvn.9 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 14 19:33:04 2021
From: w8lvn.9 at gmail.com (Bill Lederer)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 18:33:04 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] New release of Win4K3Suite is available
In-Reply-To: <020801d71883$55834e50$0089eaf0$@videotron.ca>
References: <020801d71883$55834e50$0089eaf0$@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <CADF0M0PODr01QVvT72pDHfyoZxSsBnBjBAfyEuY89Qq4aUczkA@mail.gmail.com>

The web site seems have  a problem:

w8lvn

On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 9:37 PM Tom <elecraft.list at videotron.ca> wrote:

> Hello,
> There is a new version of Win4K3Suite available.  This release has a fix
> for
> cases where the KAT500 is used without the KPA500.
>
> Win4K3Suite is a full featured control program for the K3/S, KX3 and KX2.
> It has a built in Panadapter that works with LPPAN and a sound card, as
> well
> as the SDRPlay RSP's. It supports the KAT500, KPA500/1500 and the KXPA100
> on
> most of the above radios.
> A unique feature is that is has 6 built in Virtual Radios, each of which
> works just like an Elecraft radio.  This allows sharing of a single COM
> port
> with up to 6 applications.  It also has a built in HRDLogbook server and
> the
> EiBi Shortwave database.
> There are many more features like full access to menu items, a cluster
> display using your ClubLog credentials and many more.
> You see more information here:
> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=win4k3suite
> and download a fully functional 30 day trial at va2fsq.com
>
> 73 Tom
> va2fsq.com
>
>
> --
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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-- 
--w8lvn--

From dave at nk7z.net  Sun Mar 14 19:34:17 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 16:34:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch
In-Reply-To: <mpro.qpzf6r000alwa04ko.groups@planet3.freeuk.co.uk>
References: <57BFC980-4868-4B94-B202-C1599C2F4308@elecraft.com>
	<1615661286570-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<75831679-65d9-8e9c-9b60-8cf42d14d8db@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<e697a0d3-ebe1-7915-06e5-91b63ed3cbd5@nk7z.net>
	<340bfdf4-3a81-4c71-1f91-b14884d7db75@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<ddfa91c5-2172-dabd-864c-5c884bf3f365@nk7z.net>
	<mpro.qpzf6r000alwa04ko.groups@planet3.freeuk.co.uk>
Message-ID: <992f544b-d8b9-0aa9-f8c5-c85db14d8882@nk7z.net>

Yup, I have a notch at the old sweep frequency as well...  :)

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 3/14/21 4:13 PM, Brian D wrote:
> Iworked for years on 405 line TV transmitters. I had a notch of at least
> 40dB at 10.125khz. I was surprised how quickly it disappeared when 405 line
> TV closed down, to be replaced by a rolloff at 16kHz.
> 
> I now roll off much lower, and keep moving my default cw sidetone as it
> seems to produce a notch after a few contests, I'm currently at 650Hz but
> will try 700 again soon.
> 
> 
> 
> Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
> 
>>> One of the most common forms of hearing loss starts at the high
>>> frequencies and works its way down with age, but that's far from
>>> universal. When one or more notches develop at certain frequencies, it's
>>> often the result of noise exposure at work.
>>>
> 
> 

From chrisrut7 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 14 19:11:09 2021
From: chrisrut7 at gmail.com (Chris R. NW6V)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 16:11:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch
Message-ID: <CAG97cXtbRmozBRJfDWRWaCaqG=9gi3yZoudnCywi-VMRdcmrBg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 5:45 PM Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:

> On 3/13/2021 10:48 AM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote:
> > A CW sidetone pitch of 400 Hz is consistent with what little research
> there
> > is on this. A paper from 1992 says that "/All subjects improved their
> > recognition as the frequency was lowered to 500 Hz, some even at 250 Hz.
>
> As a retired designer of large sound systems, I had to learn a lot about
> acoustics and psychoacoustics (the science of how humans' ear/brain
> interprets what we hear). That science tells us that, like most of our
> senses, hearing is logarithmic both with respect to frequency and
> loudness. This means that our discrimination of one frequency as
> compared to another increases with decreasing frequency. That is, we are
> better able to separate signals from each other with RX pitch set to
> lower frequencies.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC

Exactly right.

I have screaming-loud tinnitus at 1700hz - which is louder than
conversation, and rises and falls in pitch and volume with every
heartbeat... Fun, fun.

Changing sidetone from 800 to 400 made a HUGE difference in my ability to
copy through the chaos. I did so after reading an article 2 or 3 years ago
- perhaps those referenced, but I thought it was done by the USAF for
intercept operators in the late 60's - I may be mistaken.

 ut for those who might not get the implications of what Jim said: our
perceptions depend less on absolute values than on the difference between
two values. That's why when you get "hot" with a fever, you "feel cold"
(and want heat, blankets, etc.): the outside air is now "colder" with
respect to your skin temp.

In terms of Morse, if the signal you're listening to is at 800 Hz, and the
interfering signal (or even the tone of the white noise) is at 700 Hz, the
100hz difference amounts to just 12%. However, if the desired signal is at
400 Hz, and the interfering signal at 300, that 100hz difference is now
25%. At 300/200, it's 50%. Bigger differences are easier to copy.

I did have to reprogram myself to listen at the lower frequency -
familiarity had bred contentment.

73 Chris NW6V

From mbaileycrna at gmail.com  Sun Mar 14 20:48:14 2021
From: mbaileycrna at gmail.com (Morgan Bailey)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 19:48:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Qso today problems
In-Reply-To: <CAHh=7in1A+4=_o81PSBGPLsVC3nmbavG9kXFyjX=VoAEb6kvGA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHh=7ina_HaREaXq-w3mwBbxcWPuZfcrG01pfkVm5_xMYSBPEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<AB2F6903-7AA7-4B24-A33C-401E64A9EE9A@usermail.com>
	<CAHh=7in1A+4=_o81PSBGPLsVC3nmbavG9kXFyjX=VoAEb6kvGA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABkb7bgTUDDw+m+54pRC_cmM2MVNv1FK6T4nG_5pGSVvByuDxQ@mail.gmail.com>

No money return, no ticket, also Never again.
BS + MS + $2.98 = COFFEE
Real Life Experience = Priceless, says the man who set his back yard on
fire with a breadboard tuner loading a 160 meter inverted L with 1000
watts. LOL


On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 4:34 PM Dean L <dean.k2ww at gmail.com> wrote:

> I did all the above and chased my tail, round and round... I switched
> browsers, and Finally made it into some  "airmeet "session where EVERYONE
> was as put off as me. WOW
> Sent numerous emails and called 2 times. Mr Begalli and Tad "Black hole
> sun" Cook were on the list of unhappy campers.
> This Eric guys must be hiding.
> I spent hours on this hoax
>
> Hope all had better luck, never again !!!
> 73
> Dean K2WW
>
> On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 13:34 weaverwf at usermail.com <weaverwf at usermail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Did you try the ?Get your ticket by yourself? link? It will ask for your
> > name/call, email address and order number. That is the way I had to get
> in
> > when my link that they mailed to me didn?t work.
> >
> > 73,
> > Bill WE5P
> >
> > Comfortably Numb
> >
> > > On Mar 14, 2021, at 11:44, Dean L <dean.k2ww at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > ?Anybody else have problems getting a ticket?
> > > I paid my money got my order number now locked out of tickets.
> > >
> > > Wasted half a day yesterday trying to get in
> > >
> > > 73
> > > Dean K2WW
> > > ______________________________________________________________
> > > Elecraft mailing list
> > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> > >
> > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> > > Message delivered to weaverwf at usermail.com
> >
> >
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From pvandyke1953 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 14 20:50:07 2021
From: pvandyke1953 at gmail.com (Paul Van Dyke)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 20:50:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Well 3.810 is full try to go to 3.815 for the 80 M net
Message-ID: <CAEPKcUkWmx35e6Yw6AHC+bG5M1-gSpBVQXDuUjjii6hSbnXk0A@mail.gmail.com>

Paul KB9AVO

From n4zr at comcast.net  Sun Mar 14 21:18:50 2021
From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 21:18:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] New release of Win4K3Suite is available
In-Reply-To: <CADF0M0PODr01QVvT72pDHfyoZxSsBnBjBAfyEuY89Qq4aUczkA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <020801d71883$55834e50$0089eaf0$@videotron.ca>
	<CADF0M0PODr01QVvT72pDHfyoZxSsBnBjBAfyEuY89Qq4aUczkA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c4eb1fc1-4428-3f7d-208a-4a5bb033bbdf@comcast.net>

Yes

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
web server at <http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

On 3/14/2021 7:33 PM, Bill Lederer wrote:
> The web site seems have  a problem:
>
> w8lvn
>
> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 9:37 PM Tom <elecraft.list at videotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> There is a new version of Win4K3Suite available.  This release has a fix
>> for
>> cases where the KAT500 is used without the KPA500.
>>
>> Win4K3Suite is a full featured control program for the K3/S, KX3 and KX2.
>> It has a built in Panadapter that works with LPPAN and a sound card, as
>> well
>> as the SDRPlay RSP's. It supports the KAT500, KPA500/1500 and the KXPA100
>> on
>> most of the above radios.
>> A unique feature is that is has 6 built in Virtual Radios, each of which
>> works just like an Elecraft radio.  This allows sharing of a single COM
>> port
>> with up to 6 applications.  It also has a built in HRDLogbook server and
>> the
>> EiBi Shortwave database.
>> There are many more features like full access to menu items, a cluster
>> display using your ClubLog credentials and many more.
>> You see more information here:
>> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=win4k3suite
>> and download a fully functional 30 day trial at va2fsq.com
>>
>> 73 Tom
>> va2fsq.com
>>
>>
>> --
>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>
>
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Mar 14 22:29:06 2021
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 19:29:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <c4c5af04-65ed-2c53-5059-7f02befc6aa4@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? Signals were fair to good on both bands.? They were quiet as well.? 
Quiet normally means weak propagation so I received more email than 
check ins.? Oh well, you never know until you try.? I almost missed both 
nets because I was busy listening to bird songs.? If I played the right 
ones I was taken back to canyons, prairies, mountains, marshes and 
streams I had visited in my past.? The right bird song brought back the 
smells, the insects, the heat, and humidity too.? My very own TARDIS.


 ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

W0CZ - Ken - ND

AB9V - Mike - IN

K4JPN - Steve - GA

KB9AVO - Paul - IN


 ? On 7047.5 kHz at 0000z:

K6PJV - Dale - CA

K0DTJ - Brian - CA


 ?? Until next week stay well and 73,

 ????? Kevin.? KD5ONS



-



Ever since I was a young boy, I've played the silver ball
 From Soho down to Brighton, I must've played 'em all
But I ain't seen nothin' like him in any amusement hall
That deaf, dumb, and blind kid sure plays a mean pinball

He stands like a statue, becomes part of the machine
Feelin' all the bumpers, always playin' clean
Plays by intuition, the digit counters fall
That deaf, dumb, and blind kid sure plays a mean pinball

Ain't got no distractions, can't hear no buzzes and bells
Don't see no lights a-flashin', plays by sense of smell
Always gets the replay, never seen him fall
That deaf, dumb, and blind kid sure plays a mean pinball

I thought I was the Bally table king
But I just handed my pinball crown to him

Even on my favorite table, he can beat my best
His disciples lead him in, and he just does the rest
He's got crazy flipper fingers, never seen him fall
That deaf, dumb, and blind kid sure plays a mean pinball


From esteptony at gmail.com  Sun Mar 14 22:35:56 2021
From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 21:35:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch
In-Reply-To: <75831679-65d9-8e9c-9b60-8cf42d14d8db@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <57BFC980-4868-4B94-B202-C1599C2F4308@elecraft.com>
	<1615661286570-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<75831679-65d9-8e9c-9b60-8cf42d14d8db@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <CACHwrmPMbzCRZ0eAG6PNcwf8UHCDLZd2NW9R5Vn_94iL0RciUA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 5:45 PM Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:

> ....like most of our
> senses, hearing is logarithmic both with respect to frequency and
> loudness. This means that our discrimination of one frequency as
> compared to another increases with decreasing frequency....

this is the Weber-Fechner law. It is claimed to hold true for physical
perceptions, e.g a blindfolded person?s perception of an increase in a
weight he is holding is proportional to the percentage increases, not to
the absolute amount of weight added.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weber%E2%80%93Fechner_law

73,
Tony KT0NY

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sun Mar 14 22:38:09 2021
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 19:38:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] The Ham Expo:  What it got right
Message-ID: <CD688531-1AD7-4DC1-8219-FC932B920FC6@elecraft.com>

Clearly there were major technical glitches with the Expo. I won't rehash the well-earned gripes.

There's a mitigating fact many of you were probably unaware of: The two most critical technical contributors to the effort were laid low by Covid-19 over the week leading up to it. Despite this, most of the site's functionality was ultimately restored. Many presentations went on, and many received rave reviews. Of course I feel for those whose presentations were not accessible or were otherwise compromised.

Some of our material was deferred as well. Yet there was one very significant highlight: The Lounge.

For me, Elecraft's Airmeet lounge rooms really *did* recreate much of the ambiance of our booth/hangout space at Dayton. I had dozens of wide-ranging conversations with experienced operators, newbies, and friends. It felt like like a homecoming on the year after an apocalypse. 

So, while the Expo didn't go smoothly -- something the organizers have already fallen on their swords for, multiple times -- I believe it will also be remembered for introducing many of us to the benefits of the multiple small-video-group paradigm. No doubt this will become a fixture of virtual hamfests. And in physical hamfests to come, it can facilitate the active participation of those who have no choice but to remain virtually.

Merging the Airmeet platform with Vfairs was risky, but visionary. As we say around my house when things go sideways: points for style. 

I suggest we all take a deep breath and give QSO Today a chance to work out the kinks. I'm sure that next time, with lessons learned, the experience will be fully beta-tested.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


From julia at juliatuttle.net  Sun Mar 14 23:13:04 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 23:13:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] The Ham Expo: What it got right
In-Reply-To: <CD688531-1AD7-4DC1-8219-FC932B920FC6@elecraft.com>
References: <CD688531-1AD7-4DC1-8219-FC932B920FC6@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrNfLW5jrQadHS7m5F1Pe5Bm_TH_GUAW+_9rf+DOhRjB2g@mail.gmail.com>

Wayne,

Would you consider hosting occasional independent online events like the
lounge?

73,

Julia

On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 22:40 Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> Clearly there were major technical glitches with the Expo. I won't rehash
> the well-earned gripes.
>
> There's a mitigating fact many of you were probably unaware of: The two
> most critical technical contributors to the effort were laid low by
> Covid-19 over the week leading up to it. Despite this, most of the site's
> functionality was ultimately restored. Many presentations went on, and many
> received rave reviews. Of course I feel for those whose presentations were
> not accessible or were otherwise compromised.
>
> Some of our material was deferred as well. Yet there was one very
> significant highlight: The Lounge.
>
> For me, Elecraft's Airmeet lounge rooms really *did* recreate much of the
> ambiance of our booth/hangout space at Dayton. I had dozens of wide-ranging
> conversations with experienced operators, newbies, and friends. It felt
> like like a homecoming on the year after an apocalypse.
>
> So, while the Expo didn't go smoothly -- something the organizers have
> already fallen on their swords for, multiple times -- I believe it will
> also be remembered for introducing many of us to the benefits of the
> multiple small-video-group paradigm. No doubt this will become a fixture of
> virtual hamfests. And in physical hamfests to come, it can facilitate the
> active participation of those who have no choice but to remain virtually.
>
> Merging the Airmeet platform with Vfairs was risky, but visionary. As we
> say around my house when things go sideways: points for style.
>
> I suggest we all take a deep breath and give QSO Today a chance to work
> out the kinks. I'm sure that next time, with lessons learned, the
> experience will be fully beta-tested.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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>

From cswilhelm at gmail.com  Sun Mar 14 23:57:54 2021
From: cswilhelm at gmail.com (Carroll Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 20:57:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] The Ham Expo:  What it got right
In-Reply-To: <CD688531-1AD7-4DC1-8219-FC932B920FC6@elecraft.com>
References: <CD688531-1AD7-4DC1-8219-FC932B920FC6@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <10c19807-b220-4a24-a7e3-9923503d76d2@gmail.com>

Totally agree with you Wayne. The lounge was a great tool. I appreciate the time you dedicated to talk with us. Thank you for all you have done to enrich this wonderful hobby.

Yeah, the virtual conference wasn't perfect, but nothing ever is. I'm okay with how it turned out. I learned a lot and walked away still happy I'm a ham.

73,

Carroll
W7CSW

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On Mar 14, 2021, 7:41 PM, at 7:41 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>Clearly there were major technical glitches with the Expo. I won't
>rehash the well-earned gripes.
>
>There's a mitigating fact many of you were probably unaware of: The two
>most critical technical contributors to the effort were laid low by
>Covid-19 over the week leading up to it. Despite this, most of the
>site's functionality was ultimately restored. Many presentations went
>on, and many received rave reviews. Of course I feel for those whose
>presentations were not accessible or were otherwise compromised.
>
>Some of our material was deferred as well. Yet there was one very
>significant highlight: The Lounge.
>
>For me, Elecraft's Airmeet lounge rooms really *did* recreate much of
>the ambiance of our booth/hangout space at Dayton. I had dozens of
>wide-ranging conversations with experienced operators, newbies, and
>friends. It felt like like a homecoming on the year after an
>apocalypse. 
>
>So, while the Expo didn't go smoothly -- something the organizers have
>already fallen on their swords for, multiple times -- I believe it will
>also be remembered for introducing many of us to the benefits of the
>multiple small-video-group paradigm. No doubt this will become a
>fixture of virtual hamfests. And in physical hamfests to come, it can
>facilitate the active participation of those who have no choice but to
>remain virtually.
>
>Merging the Airmeet platform with Vfairs was risky, but visionary. As
>we say around my house when things go sideways: points for style. 
>
>I suggest we all take a deep breath and give QSO Today a chance to work
>out the kinks. I'm sure that next time, with lessons learned, the
>experience will be fully beta-tested.
>
>73,
>Wayne
>N6KR
>
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From norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 15 04:19:20 2021
From: norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com (Eric Norris)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 01:19:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Qso today problems
In-Reply-To: <CAHh=7ina_HaREaXq-w3mwBbxcWPuZfcrG01pfkVm5_xMYSBPEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHh=7ina_HaREaXq-w3mwBbxcWPuZfcrG01pfkVm5_xMYSBPEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJSJeL2uZw5VDTbwVqMd_xy+JWb+JspCYrvf6bDCfUer_eyamA@mail.gmail.com>

Same frustrating problem
  No response to three calls for help.  On the bright side, I'll save ten
clams every future expo!

73 Eric WD6DBM

On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 8:44 AM Dean L <dean.k2ww at gmail.com> wrote:

> Anybody else have problems getting a ticket?
> I paid my money got my order number now locked out of tickets.
>
> Wasted half a day yesterday trying to get in
>
> 73
> Dean K2WW
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From ke8g.jim at gmail.com  Mon Mar 15 10:45:16 2021
From: ke8g.jim at gmail.com (KE8G)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 09:45:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch
In-Reply-To: <CAG97cXtbRmozBRJfDWRWaCaqG=9gi3yZoudnCywi-VMRdcmrBg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG97cXtbRmozBRJfDWRWaCaqG=9gi3yZoudnCywi-VMRdcmrBg@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes, I agree!

I had brought up the same subject in the CWops Group a while back and found
the same thing.  When I started out in ham radio 40+ years ago, my CW
sidetone was around 700-750 Hz, a very nice sweet spot.  As I grew older,
the sidetone frequency has been decreasing.  Now at 70 years old, I am at
420 Hz and that's the new sweet spot.

I did an unscientific study by operating the Wednesday CWTs at different
sidetone frequencies, just to see if there was a difference.  Believe me,
there was!  As I increased the frequency, my effectiveness of hearing the
CW signals and separating them decreased.  I finally stopped at 700 Hz, as
I was convinced that my hearing had changed and the lower frequency was
definitely better for my ears.

73 de Jim - KE8G

On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 7:13 PM Chris R. NW6V <chrisrut7 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 5:45 PM Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On 3/13/2021 10:48 AM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote:
> > > A CW sidetone pitch of 400 Hz is consistent with what little research
> > there
> > > is on this. A paper from 1992 says that "/All subjects improved their
> > > recognition as the frequency was lowered to 500 Hz, some even at 250
> Hz.
> >
> > As a retired designer of large sound systems, I had to learn a lot about
> > acoustics and psychoacoustics (the science of how humans' ear/brain
> > interprets what we hear). That science tells us that, like most of our
> > senses, hearing is logarithmic both with respect to frequency and
> > loudness. This means that our discrimination of one frequency as
> > compared to another increases with decreasing frequency. That is, we are
> > better able to separate signals from each other with RX pitch set to
> > lower frequencies.
> >
> > 73, Jim K9YC
>
> Exactly right.
>
> I have screaming-loud tinnitus at 1700hz - which is louder than
> conversation, and rises and falls in pitch and volume with every
> heartbeat... Fun, fun.
>
> Changing sidetone from 800 to 400 made a HUGE difference in my ability to
> copy through the chaos. I did so after reading an article 2 or 3 years ago
> - perhaps those referenced, but I thought it was done by the USAF for
> intercept operators in the late 60's - I may be mistaken.
>
>  ut for those who might not get the implications of what Jim said: our
> perceptions depend less on absolute values than on the difference between
> two values. That's why when you get "hot" with a fever, you "feel cold"
> (and want heat, blankets, etc.): the outside air is now "colder" with
> respect to your skin temp.
>
> In terms of Morse, if the signal you're listening to is at 800 Hz, and the
> interfering signal (or even the tone of the white noise) is at 700 Hz, the
> 100hz difference amounts to just 12%. However, if the desired signal is at
> 400 Hz, and the interfering signal at 300, that 100hz difference is now
> 25%. At 300/200, it's 50%. Bigger differences are easier to copy.
>
> I did have to reprogram myself to listen at the lower frequency -
> familiarity had bred contentment.
>
> 73 Chris NW6V
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From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Mon Mar 15 10:51:57 2021
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 09:51:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch
In-Reply-To: <CAOdpi6EZE=j5rQmq048juQfK3GvtL2RqjKj=2HzJTMatXB__VA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG97cXtbRmozBRJfDWRWaCaqG=9gi3yZoudnCywi-VMRdcmrBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOdpi6EZE=j5rQmq048juQfK3GvtL2RqjKj=2HzJTMatXB__VA@mail.gmail.com>
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From k7im at icloud.com  Mon Mar 15 10:55:02 2021
From: k7im at icloud.com (Michael K Bottles)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 07:55:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch
In-Reply-To: <CAOdpi6EZE=j5rQmq048juQfK3GvtL2RqjKj=2HzJTMatXB__VA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOdpi6EZE=j5rQmq048juQfK3GvtL2RqjKj=2HzJTMatXB__VA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BA4BB23D-E25C-43E0-AB7D-3769EF54D58A@icloud.com>

Interesting comments. 

In the late 1960?s the late Harvey Hetland (WA6KZI/N6MM) told me exactly the same thing: a lower tone was better for copying CW. For a long time I was at 450-500, now that I am in my 70?s I am down around 400-420. I guess Harvey was right way back then.

Kim - K7IM

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 15, 2021, at 07:47, KE8G <ke8g.jim at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Yes, I agree!
> 
> I had brought up the same subject in the CWops Group a while back and found
> the same thing.  When I started out in ham radio 40+ years ago, my CW
> sidetone was around 700-750 Hz, a very nice sweet spot.  As I grew older,
> the sidetone frequency has been decreasing.  Now at 70 years old, I am at
> 420 Hz and that's the new sweet spot.
> 
> I did an unscientific study by operating the Wednesday CWTs at different
> sidetone frequencies, just to see if there was a difference.  Believe me,
> there was!  As I increased the frequency, my effectiveness of hearing the
> CW signals and separating them decreased.  I finally stopped at 700 Hz, as
> I was convinced that my hearing had changed and the lower frequency was
> definitely better for my ears.
> 
> 73 de Jim - KE8G
> 
>> On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 7:13 PM Chris R. NW6V <chrisrut7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 5:45 PM Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On 3/13/2021 10:48 AM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote:
>>>> A CW sidetone pitch of 400 Hz is consistent with what little research
>>> there
>>>> is on this. A paper from 1992 says that "/All subjects improved their
>>>> recognition as the frequency was lowered to 500 Hz, some even at 250
>> Hz.
>>> As a retired designer of large sound systems, I had to learn a lot about
>>> acoustics and psychoacoustics (the science of how humans' ear/brain
>>> interprets what we hear). That science tells us that, like most of our
>>> senses, hearing is logarithmic both with respect to frequency and
>>> loudness. This means that our discrimination of one frequency as
>>> compared to another increases with decreasing frequency. That is, we are
>>> better able to separate signals from each other with RX pitch set to
>>> lower frequencies.
>>> 73, Jim K9YC
>> Exactly right.
>> I have screaming-loud tinnitus at 1700hz - which is louder than
>> conversation, and rises and falls in pitch and volume with every
>> heartbeat... Fun, fun.
>> Changing sidetone from 800 to 400 made a HUGE difference in my ability to
>> copy through the chaos. I did so after reading an article 2 or 3 years ago
>> - perhaps those referenced, but I thought it was done by the USAF for
>> intercept operators in the late 60's - I may be mistaken.
>> ut for those who might not get the implications of what Jim said: our
>> perceptions depend less on absolute values than on the difference between
>> two values. That's why when you get "hot" with a fever, you "feel cold"
>> (and want heat, blankets, etc.): the outside air is now "colder" with
>> respect to your skin temp.
>> In terms of Morse, if the signal you're listening to is at 800 Hz, and the
>> interfering signal (or even the tone of the white noise) is at 700 Hz, the
>> 100hz difference amounts to just 12%. However, if the desired signal is at
>> 400 Hz, and the interfering signal at 300, that 100hz difference is now
>> 25%. At 300/200, it's 50%. Bigger differences are easier to copy.
>> I did have to reprogram myself to listen at the lower frequency -
>> familiarity had bred contentment.
>> 73 Chris NW6V
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
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From lawresh at woh.rr.com  Mon Mar 15 11:06:18 2021
From: lawresh at woh.rr.com (SteveL)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 11:06:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] The Ham Expo:  What it got right
In-Reply-To: <10c19807-b220-4a24-a7e3-9923503d76d2@gmail.com>
References: <CD688531-1AD7-4DC1-8219-FC932B920FC6@elecraft.com>
	<10c19807-b220-4a24-a7e3-9923503d76d2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8854B5D2-B5B8-4688-84E5-7712DC91BD60@woh.rr.com>

Interesting, just received an apology letter from Eric (the QSO Today Expo organizer).  Kudos for the pioneering effort - but clearly the issues were multi-factor including some outside of their control.  While I had a few technical issues on my end, once I figured out which browser worked on my MacBook, I was pretty much set.  Where I missed - it was usually an issue a presenter was struggling to overcome.

I did spend some time in the ?lounge? and thought it was a good tool.  I could see vendors independently offering these small group ?face-to-face? sessions periodically for sales, help, and more.

I?m not sure how you do a virtual flea market - some of the best treasure hunts of a typical Hamfest.

Speaking of a treasure hunt, the after-hours global scavenger hunt conducted by Watson Adventures was fun!

Steve
aa8af


> 
> Totally agree with you Wayne. The lounge was a great tool. I appreciate the time you dedicated to talk with us. Thank you for all you have done to enrich this wonderful hobby.
> 
> Yeah, the virtual conference wasn't perfect, but nothing ever is. I'm okay with how it turned out. I learned a lot and walked away still happy I'm a ham.
> 


From AB1DD at comcast.net  Mon Mar 15 11:38:51 2021
From: AB1DD at comcast.net (AB1DD)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 11:38:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] The Ham Expo: What it got right
In-Reply-To: <8854B5D2-B5B8-4688-84E5-7712DC91BD60@woh.rr.com>
References: <CD688531-1AD7-4DC1-8219-FC932B920FC6@elecraft.com>
	<10c19807-b220-4a24-a7e3-9923503d76d2@gmail.com>
	<8854B5D2-B5B8-4688-84E5-7712DC91BD60@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <68d0dec3-dcf9-75e4-3431-caee84feb76b@comcast.net>

Two weeks ago, our local club had our on line ham fest. We did a swap 
meet. Using Zoom, we had each seller in a break out room. They had a 
camera on the "stuff" and some had another camera for themselves. When a 
buyer came in, they could talk to the seller, and the seller could hold 
up the item and do a show and tell. Worked out good, the sellers were 
happy and items changed hands. It was up to the seller to set the 
payment and shipping method.

There was a table in the main lounge at HamExpo, but it was a long way 
down the list, don't know if anyone was there, as I was in a boot all 
weekend.

Carl

AB1DD

73,
Carl
AB1DD

Resistance is futile.
(don't know about reactance, though)

On 3/15/2021 11:06 AM, SteveL wrote:
>
> I?m not sure how you do a virtual flea market - some of the best treasure hunts of a typical Hamfest.
>
> Speaking of a treasure hunt, the after-hours global scavenger hunt conducted by Watson Adventures was fun!
>
> Steve
> aa8af
>
>
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From louandzip at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 15 13:22:57 2021
From: louandzip at yahoo.com (Louandzip)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 17:22:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch
In-Reply-To: <BA4BB23D-E25C-43E0-AB7D-3769EF54D58A@icloud.com>
References: <CAOdpi6EZE=j5rQmq048juQfK3GvtL2RqjKj=2HzJTMatXB__VA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BA4BB23D-E25C-43E0-AB7D-3769EF54D58A@icloud.com>
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 I guess I'll play the contrarian here.? Back in '65 when I first got licensed I used 1kHz!? For a long time I was using 800Hz, but nowadays I like 700 Hz.? I understand the arguments and have unscientifically experimented with lower at times, including down to 300 or so, but it sounds kinda lugubrious and in the situation I've tried I've not noticed any consequential improvement in my ability to copy in QRM/N. I played the flute and piccolo for many years (and contrarianly, the baritone sax) and that might contribute to my predilection for high frequencies and frequency discrimination, or maybe it was the other way around, IDK.??
Lou W7HV
   On Monday, March 15, 2021, 8:57:44 AM MDT, Michael K Bottles via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:  
 
 Interesting comments. 

In the late 1960?s the late Harvey Hetland (WA6KZI/N6MM) told me exactly the same thing: a lower tone was better for copying CW. For a long time I was at 450-500, now that I am in my 70?s I am down around 400-420. I guess Harvey was right way back then.

Kim - K7IM

Sent from my iPad

>  

From wb2abd at outlook.com  Mon Mar 15 13:50:16 2021
From: wb2abd at outlook.com (Paul Antos)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 17:50:16 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] [ elecraft ] copying CW and pitch
Message-ID: <CH2PR19MB3878BB10BA46D3B3932ED9089C6C9@CH2PR19MB3878.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Two feet in the dust bin ... fondly recall copying CW on a Collins 75A4 with the very large outboard speaker ... pitch so low it seemed like a few handfuls of cycles ...smooth ... and perfect copy thru QRM and QRN. Maybe it was more physical pressure than tone.

Paul NS2N

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From keith at elecraft.com  Mon Mar 15 14:11:36 2021
From: keith at elecraft.com (Keith Trinity WE6R)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 11:11:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New release of Win4K3Suite is available
In-Reply-To: <020801d71883$55834e50$0089eaf0$@videotron.ca>
References: <020801d71883$55834e50$0089eaf0$@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <2864ceb0-49be-a31e-abef-c21c4bcce583@elecraft.com>

The links here seem to work; https://va2fsq.com/purchase/
IE;
32bit;?? https://va2fsq.com/?wpdmdl=2746
64bit;?? https://va2fsq.com/?wpdmdl=2747
Keith WE6R



From wb0poq at gmail.com  Mon Mar 15 14:22:38 2021
From: wb0poq at gmail.com (Bob Liesen)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 13:22:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch
Message-ID: <CAO9_kpiJNPVvSrCakp4yvGc8Zw_ZGSVTrPRJjB7fW3i4jB5jeA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
 I too find a lower pitch better as I get older.  However, for me,
weighting is >the< factor in ease of copy.  Some fists I struggle to copy
at 15 WPM, but when the weighting is just "right", whole words just pop
into my head at most any speed up to ~30 WPM.
 I have analyzed with a CPO what meets that criteria, and have concluded
that significantly longer dahs, and shorter spaces between characters is
what is "right".  I'm sure my "right" is likely to sound like an
abomination to some others......I'd love to know more about what is going
on in my head vs others under these conditions.  "CW and the brain" would
make a great thesis in my view.

Bob  WB0POQ

From jim at pandzik.com  Mon Mar 15 15:14:08 2021
From: jim at pandzik.com (jim at pandzik.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 12:14:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Upgrading KX3 firmware
Message-ID: <20210315121408.3d1775a45125bc5e26ed73215c14f7c5.0cd401bf90.wbe@email26.godaddy.com>


From k9ztv at socket.net  Mon Mar 15 15:26:45 2021
From: k9ztv at socket.net (KENT TRIMBLE)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 14:26:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch
In-Reply-To: <54307572.768549.1615828977582@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAOdpi6EZE=j5rQmq048juQfK3GvtL2RqjKj=2HzJTMatXB__VA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<54307572.768549.1615828977582@mail.yahoo.com>
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Just a personal observation, but for me, anyway, the optimum pitch varies.

What seemed optimum yesterday is different today.

What seemed optimum this morning won't be optimum this evening.

What seemed optimum on one rig is not optimum on another rig.

What seemed optimum on 20 meters is not optimum on 80 meters.

What seemed optimum from speakers won't be optimum from headphones.

And most importantly, what seemed optimum during one QSO won't 
necessarily be optimum during the next QSO.

That's why RIT is such a valuable receiver accessory.? After zeroing the 
transmitter to the incoming signal, the RIT is adjusted for wherever the 
peak seems to be at that given moment.

And continual re-adjustment may be necessary as QSB, QRN, signal 
polarity, signal drifting, and other factors come into play.

For me, anyway, that's the way it seems to work.

73,

Kent? K9ZTV





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From 99sunset at gmail.com  Mon Mar 15 15:25:57 2021
From: 99sunset at gmail.com (Steve Hall)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 15:25:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 40 meter SSB net
Message-ID: <CALdUqNNJOC2oZnjKGeOpF9Csmz2mPygrdGO7Cy6qNssNfBaqsw@mail.gmail.com>

3-14-21
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W9EJB ED IN K3
K2VJK VERN NY K3
WY3T TIM FL K3S
W8LMG MAC WV FLEX6300
KB9AVO PAUL IN K4
WB9JNZ ERIC IL K3
NC0JW JIM CO KX3
AE6JV BILL NH K3
NS7P PHIL OR K3
K1NW BRIAN RI K3
WN8A JIM NY K3
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Mar 15 15:29:51 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 12:29:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch
In-Reply-To: <54307572.768549.1615828977582@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAOdpi6EZE=j5rQmq048juQfK3GvtL2RqjKj=2HzJTMatXB__VA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BA4BB23D-E25C-43E0-AB7D-3769EF54D58A@icloud.com>
	<54307572.768549.1615828977582@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9103346f-ebee-c9c3-1691-c91a2aaacfcc@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 3/15/2021 10:22 AM, Louandzip via Elecraft wrote:
> 

I've not presented "arguments," only science.

73, Jim K9YC

From pubx1 at af2z.net  Mon Mar 15 16:14:11 2021
From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 16:14:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch
In-Reply-To: <ac7cfc40-74a0-8f88-6f7e-e09cb12888e4@socket.net>
References: <CAOdpi6EZE=j5rQmq048juQfK3GvtL2RqjKj=2HzJTMatXB__VA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BA4BB23D-E25C-43E0-AB7D-3769EF54D58A@icloud.com>
	<54307572.768549.1615828977582@mail.yahoo.com>
	<ac7cfc40-74a0-8f88-6f7e-e09cb12888e4@socket.net>
Message-ID: <d9e5a3c8-58f5-1c6a-8694-14b6ece89c0d@af2z.net>

The limitation of using RIT/VFO for pitch adjustment is that it will 
move the signal out of the narrowed passband of the filter or APF.  A 
pitch control will adjust the signal's pitch over a wide range even 
after it has been centered in a very narrow filter.

My understanding is that the K4 will allow you to hear the pitch of the 
signal as it is adjusted. (The K3 PITCH control masks the signal while 
being adjusted, so you can only hear the effect on the signal when you 
disengage it.)

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 03/15/21 14:26, KENT TRIMBLE wrote:
> Just a personal observation, but for me, anyway, the optimum pitch varies.
> 
> What seemed optimum yesterday is different today.
> 
> What seemed optimum this morning won't be optimum this evening.
> 
> What seemed optimum on one rig is not optimum on another rig.
> 
> What seemed optimum on 20 meters is not optimum on 80 meters.
> 
> What seemed optimum from speakers won't be optimum from headphones.
> 
> And most importantly, what seemed optimum during one QSO won't 
> necessarily be optimum during the next QSO.
> 
> That's why RIT is such a valuable receiver accessory.? After zeroing the 
> transmitter to the incoming signal, the RIT is adjusted for wherever the 
> peak seems to be at that given moment.
> 
> And continual re-adjustment may be necessary as QSB, QRN, signal 
> polarity, signal drifting, and other factors come into play.
> 
> For me, anyway, that's the way it seems to work.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Kent? K9ZTV
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


From k0aiz at arrl.org  Mon Mar 15 16:53:11 2021
From: k0aiz at arrl.org (Arthur I. Zygielbaum, K0AIZ)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 15:53:11 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] ICOM and KPA500/KAT500
Message-ID: <d1b25e5b-43ce-c2f5-b426-913ac64c7e09@arrl.org>

Like many hams, I tried to marry an ICOM transciever with the 
KPA500/KAT500.?? For the most part, it works.? But there is an annoying 
problem.? I have two antennas.? When I pressed "tune" on my radio after 
changing bands, the KAT500 would tune before changing antennas.? It 
would then memorize the the tuning result (for the wrong antenna).? A 
second push of "tune" caused the KAT500 to switch antennas and then tune 
again.? This happens whether the KAT500 is set to Manual or Automatic.

There are several notes on the web on how to deal with this -- up to and 
including transmitting a memorized tone from the radio after changing 
bands.? The KPA500 and KAT500 both see the signal, measure its 
frequency, and adjust appropriately.

So I designed a circuit that detects any band changes on the ICOM using 
the "band voltage" available on the auxiliary jack.? After a delay of 
1.5 seconds, it keys the transmitter to transmit its tune signal (10 
watts) for a half second.? This only generates RF, there is no tune 
command to the KAT500.? The result is that the KAT500 measures the 
frequency, sets up the antennas correctly, and sets its relays to the 
tuning result memorized for that frequency.? It's automatic.? If I need 
to actually tune, I can then press the tune button on the transceiver or 
on the KAT500 to match the antenna.

Why the 1.5 second delay?? That's because wsjt-x takes that long to set 
up the split frequencies on the radio.? If the radio is keyed to emit 
the tune signal, it interferes with the frequency setting.

The circuit uses an LM399 comparator and two 555 timer IC's (yes I could 
have used a 556 but rather than rewire, I added a second 555 when I 
discovered the need for a delay).? It connects in series with the 
antenna tune connection from the radio and in series with the "SEND" 
signal -- to prevent the KPA500 from transmitting the 10 watt tune 
signal.? A third connection is to pick up the band voltage, 12 volts, 
and ground from the AUX connector.

If anyone is interested in the circuit, please send an email directly to 
me at k0aiz at arrl.org.

73, Art K0AIZ

-- 
Arthur I. Zygielbaum, K0AIZ
ARRL Midwest Division Director


From sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 15 17:20:29 2021
From: sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com (stephen shearer)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 17:20:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 K-POD vs KX3/PX3
In-Reply-To: <c49f3125-b32c-d3b2-3107-f1c58d288c66@nr3i.org>
References: <c49f3125-b32c-d3b2-3107-f1c58d288c66@nr3i.org>
Message-ID: <bfd27450-e670-2c7b-0348-2da548efa346@gmail.com>

OK, I own a KX3/PX3 and have a K4 on order.

I like my KX3/PX3 and I am looking forward to having a K4 with the K-POD.
I "see" the K-POD more as a remote KNOB.

What I do like with PX3 is the ability to use the programmable? keyboard 
function keys (or any key you program) to either provide a macro 
function or a "send text" function and having 50 of each type.?? This 
function is in addition to the message buttons on the KX3.? I "can" 
operate a CW/RTTY/PSK contest exchange with serial number with just the 
KX3/PX3 and a USB keyboard (and paper log sheet).? No computer required.

Will the K4 have this same function?? I may have missed it.? If the KX3 
can do it, it should be "easy" for the K4 to do the same...

I can see the logic of not having function keys for a USB keyboard.? If 
the K4 is being used for ANY contest or expedition, the K4 would "most 
likely" have a computer attached running software like N1MM+ (and 
function keys for text or macros). As I am not likely to backpack the 
K4...? and I probably have answered my own question.

73, steve WB3LGC


I do like the function keys for the PX3, although full function 
computers are now about the same size and weight as a small keyboard, 
with more functionality.



From bob at g3pjt.com  Tue Mar 16 09:58:38 2021
From: bob at g3pjt.com (Bob G3PJT)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 13:58:38 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact
In-Reply-To: <293db878-9b6b-6b70-7144-8938947c69e0@g3pjt.com>
References: <293db878-9b6b-6b70-7144-8938947c69e0@g3pjt.com>
Message-ID: <cd95484b-9e7f-ebe2-6aa1-4e8cb861b4ba@g3pjt.com>


David

Try Lisa? Jones, her email is sales at elecraft.com and the other one is 
parts at elecraft.com

And the mod page which I found useful is

https://la3za.blogspot.com/search/label/K2

73 Bob

From w2xj at w2xj.net  Tue Mar 16 11:27:48 2021
From: w2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 11:27:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact
In-Reply-To: <cd95484b-9e7f-ebe2-6aa1-4e8cb861b4ba@g3pjt.com>
References: <cd95484b-9e7f-ebe2-6aa1-4e8cb861b4ba@g3pjt.com>
Message-ID: <838FB9DD-81D8-4E07-B843-E55704C3DC9C@w2xj.net>

Context?????

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 16, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Bob G3PJT <bob at g3pjt.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> David
> 
> Try Lisa  Jones, her email is sales at elecraft.com and the other one is parts at elecraft.com
> 
> And the mod page which I found useful is
> 
> https://la3za.blogspot.com/search/label/K2
> 
> 73 Bob
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From julia at juliatuttle.net  Tue Mar 16 13:02:44 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 13:02:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] SMTR MD on KX3?
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrM3k=gG6WisLHy_ZMFjWih65dJFJowHd0qjh+gsc1KTiQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Is there a chance the SMTR MD menu item on the KX3 will eventually be
implemented? I'd like it to be able to measure the background RF noise at
my (dense urban) QTH without having to turn the preamp off or subtract that
20 dB out.

Thanks,

Julie

From julia at juliatuttle.net  Tue Mar 16 13:10:11 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 13:10:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] SMTR MD on KX3?
In-Reply-To: <6ea40b0f-7ae3-0801-0ab2-ade2ef5d5ddc@comcast.net>
References: <CAEVEBrM3k=gG6WisLHy_ZMFjWih65dJFJowHd0qjh+gsc1KTiQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<6ea40b0f-7ae3-0801-0ab2-ade2ef5d5ddc@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrNHuWofL8pier_pwutBdrSH1=g-KPNyrqZvz-uUH4dFbw@mail.gmail.com>

Oh, thank you!

I'm hoping the KX3 (and presumably KX2) can get a little love in a year or
two when things with the K4 have settled down.

I *love* this radio, but I've got a few UX nits I'd like to add to that
list.

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 1:08 PM AB1DD <AB1DD at comcast.net> wrote:

> Julia,
>
> I spoke with Wayne on Sunday, and even though it is on his list, it's
> way down. Might be a while, if at all :>(
>
> Carl
>
> AB1DD
>
>
> 73,
> Carl
> AB1DD
>
> Resistance is futile.
> (don't know about reactance, though)
>
> On 3/16/2021 1:02 PM, Julia Tuttle wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is there a chance the SMTR MD menu item on the KX3 will eventually be
> > implemented? I'd like it to be able to measure the background RF noise at
> > my (dense urban) QTH without having to turn the preamp off or subtract
> that
> > 20 dB out.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Julie
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From hbjr at optilink.us  Tue Mar 16 14:00:43 2021
From: hbjr at optilink.us (Hank)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 14:00:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] SMTR MD on KX3?
In-Reply-To: <CAEVEBrNHuWofL8pier_pwutBdrSH1=g-KPNyrqZvz-uUH4dFbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEVEBrNHuWofL8pier_pwutBdrSH1=g-KPNyrqZvz-uUH4dFbw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D5E3A1A9-2513-444E-81C1-BD7D8CF66F7F@optilink.us>

Me Too!!!

> On Mar 16, 2021, at 1:10 PM, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Oh, thank you!
> 
> I'm hoping the KX3 (and presumably KX2) can get a little love in a year or
> two when things with the K4 have settled down.
> 
> I *love* this radio, but I've got a few UX nits I'd like to add to that
> list.
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 1:08 PM AB1DD <AB1DD at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Julia,
>> 
>> I spoke with Wayne on Sunday, and even though it is on his list, it's
>> way down. Might be a while, if at all :>(
>> 
>> Carl
>> 
>> AB1DD
>> 
>> 
>> 73,
>> Carl
>> AB1DD
>> 
>> Resistance is futile.
>> (don't know about reactance, though)
>> 
>>> On 3/16/2021 1:02 PM, Julia Tuttle wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Is there a chance the SMTR MD menu item on the KX3 will eventually be
>>> implemented? I'd like it to be able to measure the background RF noise at
>>> my (dense urban) QTH without having to turn the preamp off or subtract
>> that
>>> 20 dB out.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Julie
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>> 
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Mar 16 14:23:52 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 11:23:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd:  Copying CW and Pitch
In-Reply-To: <CAEVEBrPPfLQxHrAp+B8oMmEfT6ZuCiOZjoP+M-idhBrUY9=Opw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEVEBrPPfLQxHrAp+B8oMmEfT6ZuCiOZjoP+M-idhBrUY9=Opw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e8548dec-50c3-8e66-4d61-0e2365b56ad1@audiosystemsgroup.com>

That's simply a rewording of what I said to describe the science.

Jim

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [Elecraft] Copying CW and Pitch
Date: 	Mon, 15 Mar 2021 15:48:50 -0400
From: 	Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net>
To: 	jim at audiosystemsgroup.com



No, but other folks did, like the "bigger percent differences in 
frequency are easier to perceive" one.

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 15:30 Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com 
<mailto:jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>> wrote:

     On 3/15/2021 10:22 AM, Louandzip via Elecraft wrote:
      >

     I've not presented "arguments," only science.

     73, Jim K9YC
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From bob at g3pjt.com  Tue Mar 16 15:21:49 2021
From: bob at g3pjt.com (Bob G3PJT)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 19:21:49 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact
In-Reply-To: <838FB9DD-81D8-4E07-B843-E55704C3DC9C@w2xj.net>
References: <cd95484b-9e7f-ebe2-6aa1-4e8cb861b4ba@g3pjt.com>
	<838FB9DD-81D8-4E07-B843-E55704C3DC9C@w2xj.net>
Message-ID: <fd19a74b-3541-6692-5152-ed0acb91f15f@g3pjt.com>

David isnt this for you not me?

73 Bob

On 16/03/2021 15:27, W2xj wrote:
> Context?????
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Mar 16, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Bob G3PJT <bob at g3pjt.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> David
>>
>> Try Lisa  Jones, her email is sales at elecraft.com and the other one is parts at elecraft.com
>>
>> And the mod page which I found useful is
>>
>> https://la3za.blogspot.com/search/label/K2
>>
>> 73 Bob
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
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From louandzip at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 16 15:27:26 2021
From: louandzip at yahoo.com (Louandzip)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 19:27:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd:  Copying CW and Pitch
In-Reply-To: <e8548dec-50c3-8e66-4d61-0e2365b56ad1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CAEVEBrPPfLQxHrAp+B8oMmEfT6ZuCiOZjoP+M-idhBrUY9=Opw@mail.gmail.com>
	<e8548dec-50c3-8e66-4d61-0e2365b56ad1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <660745400.1182189.1615922846551@mail.yahoo.com>

 A semantically misunderstanding?? 

Argument: a coherent series of reasons, statements, or facts intended to support or establish a point of view. 

? 
  
? ? On 3/15/2021 10:22 AM, Louandzip via Elecraft wrote:
? ? ? >

? ? I've not presented "arguments," only science.

? ? 73, Jim K9YC
? ? ______________________________________________________________
?
  

From pvandyke1953 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 16 15:33:18 2021
From: pvandyke1953 at gmail.com (Paul Van Dyke)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:33:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact
In-Reply-To: <fd19a74b-3541-6692-5152-ed0acb91f15f@g3pjt.com>
References: <cd95484b-9e7f-ebe2-6aa1-4e8cb861b4ba@g3pjt.com>
	<838FB9DD-81D8-4E07-B843-E55704C3DC9C@w2xj.net>
	<fd19a74b-3541-6692-5152-ed0acb91f15f@g3pjt.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPKcUn2xQ0j=1Pf9SbZ-eR+YWdrTUaoz_zkqABsFqUQG2RmKg@mail.gmail.com>

Lisa Jones retired 2+ years ago from Elecraft..
She and Madelyn Gomez (madelyn at elecraft.com) were a team
Madelyn Gomez ... madelyn at elecraft.com and her team can help you today..

BUT go thru Support or Tech support 1st !!
 as they take the load off the team and it works so much faster

Paul Van Dyke - KB9AVO

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 3:22 PM Bob G3PJT <bob at g3pjt.com> wrote:

> David isnt this for you not me?
>
> 73 Bob
>
> On 16/03/2021 15:27, W2xj wrote:
> > Context?????
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Mar 16, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Bob G3PJT <bob at g3pjt.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?
> >> David
> >>
> >> Try Lisa  Jones, her email is sales at elecraft.com and the other one is
> parts at elecraft.com
> >>
> >> And the mod page which I found useful is
> >>
> >> https://la3za.blogspot.com/search/label/K2
> >>
> >> 73 Bob
> >> ______________________________________________________________
> >> Elecraft mailing list
> >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From gordon.lapoint at gmail.com  Tue Mar 16 15:53:11 2021
From: gordon.lapoint at gmail.com (Gordon LaPoint)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:53:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact
In-Reply-To: <CAEPKcUn2xQ0j=1Pf9SbZ-eR+YWdrTUaoz_zkqABsFqUQG2RmKg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cd95484b-9e7f-ebe2-6aa1-4e8cb861b4ba@g3pjt.com>
	<838FB9DD-81D8-4E07-B843-E55704C3DC9C@w2xj.net>
	<fd19a74b-3541-6692-5152-ed0acb91f15f@g3pjt.com>
	<CAEPKcUn2xQ0j=1Pf9SbZ-eR+YWdrTUaoz_zkqABsFqUQG2RmKg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2b36079c-d02c-859a-f35f-154869f5c3e6@gmail.com>

I have a problem with my K3, only 60-70 watts out, even after 
calibration on 5 and 50 watts.? This is the first time I have had a 
problem with the K3, after years of good operation. ?? I emailed support 
over a week ago and called them on the phone? last week, still have not 
heard anything.? What is the correct email for support??
Thanks,
Gordon - N1MGO? K3 #5651


On 3/16/2021 15:33 PM, Paul Van Dyke wrote:
> Lisa Jones retired 2+ years ago from Elecraft..
> She and Madelyn Gomez (madelyn at elecraft.com) were a team
> Madelyn Gomez ... madelyn at elecraft.com and her team can help you today..
>
> BUT go thru Support or Tech support 1st !!
>   as they take the load off the team and it works so much faster
>
> Paul Van Dyke - KB9AVO
>
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 3:22 PM Bob G3PJT <bob at g3pjt.com> wrote:
>
>> David isnt this for you not me?
>>
>> 73 Bob
>>
>> On 16/03/2021 15:27, W2xj wrote:
>>> Context?????
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Mar 16, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Bob G3PJT <bob at g3pjt.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>> Try Lisa  Jones, her email is sales at elecraft.com and the other one is
>> parts at elecraft.com
>>>> And the mod page which I found useful is
>>>>
>>>> https://la3za.blogspot.com/search/label/K2
>>>>
>>>> 73 Bob
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From julia at juliatuttle.net  Tue Mar 16 15:56:09 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:56:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact
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It's support at elecraft.com, but they're super backlogged lately.

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 3:54 PM Gordon LaPoint <gordon.lapoint at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I have a problem with my K3, only 60-70 watts out, even after
> calibration on 5 and 50 watts.  This is the first time I have had a
> problem with the K3, after years of good operation.    I emailed support
> over a week ago and called them on the phone  last week, still have not
> heard anything.  What is the correct email for support??
> Thanks,
> Gordon - N1MGO  K3 #5651
>
>
> On 3/16/2021 15:33 PM, Paul Van Dyke wrote:
> > Lisa Jones retired 2+ years ago from Elecraft..
> > She and Madelyn Gomez (madelyn at elecraft.com) were a team
> > Madelyn Gomez ... madelyn at elecraft.com and her team can help you today..
> >
> > BUT go thru Support or Tech support 1st !!
> >   as they take the load off the team and it works so much faster
> >
> > Paul Van Dyke - KB9AVO
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 3:22 PM Bob G3PJT <bob at g3pjt.com> wrote:
> >
> >> David isnt this for you not me?
> >>
> >> 73 Bob
> >>
> >> On 16/03/2021 15:27, W2xj wrote:
> >>> Context?????
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>
> >>>> On Mar 16, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Bob G3PJT <bob at g3pjt.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> ?
> >>>> David
> >>>>
> >>>> Try Lisa  Jones, her email is sales at elecraft.com and the other one is
> >> parts at elecraft.com
> >>>> And the mod page which I found useful is
> >>>>
> >>>> https://la3za.blogspot.com/search/label/K2
> >>>>
> >>>> 73 Bob
> >>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From gordon.lapoint at gmail.com  Tue Mar 16 16:00:22 2021
From: gordon.lapoint at gmail.com (Gordon LaPoint)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 16:00:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact
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Thanks!?? That is where I sent my email asking for help. For right now I 
have put my Kenwood TS-590sg in place of the K3, driving my KPA500 with 
Kat500.? Took some fiddling with the KRC2 setup to get it to follow the 
Kenwood instead of the K3
Thanks,
Gordon - N1MGO

On 3/16/2021 15:56 PM, Julia Tuttle wrote:
> It's support at elecraft.com <mailto:support at elecraft.com>, but they're 
> super backlogged lately.
>
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 3:54 PM Gordon LaPoint 
> <gordon.lapoint at gmail.com <mailto:gordon.lapoint at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     I have a problem with my K3, only 60-70 watts out, even after
>     calibration on 5 and 50 watts.? This is the first time I have had a
>     problem with the K3, after years of good operation. ?? I emailed
>     support
>     over a week ago and called them on the phone? last week, still
>     have not
>     heard anything.? What is the correct email for support??
>     Thanks,
>     Gordon - N1MGO? K3 #5651
>
>
>     On 3/16/2021 15:33 PM, Paul Van Dyke wrote:
>     > Lisa Jones retired 2+ years ago from Elecraft..
>     > She and Madelyn Gomez (madelyn at elecraft.com
>     <mailto:madelyn at elecraft.com>) were a team
>     > Madelyn Gomez ... madelyn at elecraft.com
>     <mailto:madelyn at elecraft.com> and her team can help you today..
>     >
>     > BUT go thru Support or Tech support 1st !!
>     >? ?as they take the load off the team and it works so much faster
>     >
>     > Paul Van Dyke - KB9AVO
>     >
>     > On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 3:22 PM Bob G3PJT <bob at g3pjt.com
>     <mailto:bob at g3pjt.com>> wrote:
>     >
>     >> David isnt this for you not me?
>     >>
>     >> 73 Bob
>     >>
>     >> On 16/03/2021 15:27, W2xj wrote:
>     >>> Context?????
>     >>>
>     >>> Sent from my iPad
>     >>>
>     >>>> On Mar 16, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Bob G3PJT <bob at g3pjt.com
>     <mailto:bob at g3pjt.com>> wrote:
>     >>>>
>     >>>> ?
>     >>>> David
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Try Lisa? Jones, her email is sales at elecraft.com
>     <mailto:sales at elecraft.com> and the other one is
>     >> parts at elecraft.com <mailto:parts at elecraft.com>
>     >>>> And the mod page which I found useful is
>     >>>>
>     >>>> https://la3za.blogspot.com/search/label/K2
>     <https://la3za.blogspot.com/search/label/K2>
>     >>>>
>     >>>> 73 Bob
>     >>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 16 22:10:58 2021
From: gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com (eric norris)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 02:10:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 Amp Keying Limits?
References: <473609078.1862816.1615947058714.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <473609078.1862816.1615947058714@mail.yahoo.com>

Can anyone tell me what the external amplifier keying limits are for a K2/100?? I'm trying to use an AL811H, which has 14.5V at 10ma on the relay jack.? Do I need an external interface?? I cannot find the answer in the K2/100 manual.? Thanks!

73, Eric WD6DBM

? 

From mgcizek at gmail.com  Tue Mar 16 22:27:01 2021
From: mgcizek at gmail.com (Mike Cizek W0VTT)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 21:27:01 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 Amp Keying Limits?
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	<473609078.1862816.1615947058714@mail.yahoo.com>
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Hello Eric,

It's in theKPA100 manual, at the back under Specifications:

DC relay coil pulled to ground
1A at 200 VDC  (do not use with AC-controlled relay)

P59 in my book, which I just noticed, comes right after p62.....

----
73,
Mike Cizek W0VTT

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of eric norris via Elecraft
Sent: Tuesday, 16 March, 2021 21:11
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 Amp Keying Limits?

Can anyone tell me what the external amplifier keying limits are for a K2/100?  I'm trying to use an AL811H, which has 14.5V at 10ma on the relay jack.  Do I need an external interface?  I cannot find the answer in the K2/100 manual.  Thanks!

73, Eric WD6DBM

  
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From ve7day at telus.net  Tue Mar 16 22:41:02 2021
From: ve7day at telus.net (John Adams)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 19:41:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 Amp Keying Limits?
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	<473609078.1862816.1615947058714@mail.yahoo.com>
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Sent you an email Eric.

John.

ve7day


On 16/03/2021 7:10 p.m., eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
> Can anyone tell me what the external amplifier keying limits are for a K2/100?? I'm trying to use an AL811H, which has 14.5V at 10ma on the relay jack.? Do I need an external interface?? I cannot find the answer in the K2/100 manual.? Thanks!
>
> 73, Eric WD6DBM
>
> ?
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From louandzip at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 17 07:29:41 2021
From: louandzip at yahoo.com (Louandzip)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 11:29:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 Amp Keying Limits?
In-Reply-To: <01ca01d71ad5$04ae7fa0$0e0b7ee0$@gmail.com>
References: <473609078.1862816.1615947058714.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<473609078.1862816.1615947058714@mail.yahoo.com>
	<01ca01d71ad5$04ae7fa0$0e0b7ee0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <458622.1376597.1615980581300@mail.yahoo.com>

 My OLD? Rev A 2002 K2/100 manual shows it on page 56.? It'll switch 1A, +200VDC via an IRF830 (or IRL620)? MOSFET to ground.? It's on the left middle of the second page of the schematic. 

Lou W7HV



    On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 9:23:15 PM MDT, Mike Cizek W0VTT <mgcizek at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Hello Eric,

It's in theKPA100 manual, at the back under Specifications:

DC relay coil pulled to ground
1A at 200 VDC? (do not use with AC-controlled relay)

P59 in my book, which I just noticed, comes right after p62.....

----
73,
Mike Cizek W0VTT

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of eric norris via Elecraft
Sent: Tuesday, 16 March, 2021 21:11
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 Amp Keying Limits?

Can anyone tell me what the external amplifier keying limits are for a K2/100?? I'm trying to use an AL811H, which has 14.5V at 10ma on the relay jack.? Do I need an external interface?? I cannot find the answer in the K2/100 manual.? Thanks!

73, Eric WD6DBM

?? 
  

From chetsubaccount at snet.net  Wed Mar 17 08:55:57 2021
From: chetsubaccount at snet.net (chetsubaccount at snet.net)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 08:55:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact- K3 power problem
References: <008101d71b2c$e11cc8f0$a3565ad0$.ref@snet.net>
Message-ID: <008101d71b2c$e11cc8f0$a3565ad0$@snet.net>

Hi Gordon,

I had some power problems with my K3 a few months ago, and could not get any useful help by e-mailing support, but with the kindness of others on the Elecraft owners lists I was able to troubleshoot and repair it on my own. One of the power MOSFETs in the low power amp section had failed. I also believe the bias adjustments in that section had shifted, and it probably helped that the 100W amp had to be removed for that and then reseated into its connectors. 

If you desire to go that route, I can send you my notes on the process. 

73,
Chet, N8RA

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Gordon LaPoint
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 3:53 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact

I have a problem with my K3, only 60-70 watts out, even after calibration on 5 and 50 watts.  This is the first time I have had a problem with the K3, after years of good operation.    I emailed support over a week ago and called them on the phone  last week, still have not heard anything.  What is the correct email for support??
Thanks,
Gordon - N1MGO  K3 #5651


On 3/16/2021 15:33 PM, Paul Van Dyke wrote:
> Lisa Jones retired 2+ years ago from Elecraft..
> She and Madelyn Gomez (madelyn at elecraft.com) were a team Madelyn Gomez 
> ... madelyn at elecraft.com and her team can help you today..
>
> BUT go thru Support or Tech support 1st !!
>   as they take the load off the team and it works so much faster
>
> Paul Van Dyke - KB9AVO
>
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 3:22 PM Bob G3PJT <bob at g3pjt.com> wrote:
>
>> David isnt this for you not me?
>>
>> 73 Bob
>>
>> On 16/03/2021 15:27, W2xj wrote:
>>> Context?????
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Mar 16, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Bob G3PJT <bob at g3pjt.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>> Try Lisa  Jones, her email is sales at elecraft.com and the other one 
>>>> is
>> parts at elecraft.com
>>>> And the mod page which I found useful is
>>>>
>>>> https://la3za.blogspot.com/search/label/K2
>>>>
>>>> 73 Bob
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From gordon.lapoint at gmail.com  Wed Mar 17 09:02:45 2021
From: gordon.lapoint at gmail.com (Gordon LaPoint)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 09:02:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact- K3 power problem
In-Reply-To: <008101d71b2c$e11cc8f0$a3565ad0$@snet.net>
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Chet,
 ??? Thanks!? Please send me the notes, I will look at the problem 
closer.? I don't know if the problem is the low power amp or the 100 
watt amp yet.
I should be able to fix it, I built a K2 from scratch and have repaired 
other radios.
Gordon - N1MGO

On 3/17/2021 8:55 AM, chetsubaccount at snet.net wrote:
> Hi Gordon,
>
> I had some power problems with my K3 a few months ago, and could not get any useful help by e-mailing support, but with the kindness of others on the Elecraft owners lists I was able to troubleshoot and repair it on my own. One of the power MOSFETs in the low power amp section had failed. I also believe the bias adjustments in that section had shifted, and it probably helped that the 100W amp had to be removed for that and then reseated into its connectors.
>
> If you desire to go that route, I can send you my notes on the process.
>
> 73,
> Chet, N8RA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Gordon LaPoint
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 3:53 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact
>
> I have a problem with my K3, only 60-70 watts out, even after calibration on 5 and 50 watts.  This is the first time I have had a problem with the K3, after years of good operation.    I emailed support over a week ago and called them on the phone  last week, still have not heard anything.  What is the correct email for support??
> Thanks,
> Gordon - N1MGO  K3 #5651
>
>
> On 3/16/2021 15:33 PM, Paul Van Dyke wrote:
>> Lisa Jones retired 2+ years ago from Elecraft..
>> She and Madelyn Gomez (madelyn at elecraft.com) were a team Madelyn Gomez
>> ... madelyn at elecraft.com and her team can help you today..
>>
>> BUT go thru Support or Tech support 1st !!
>>    as they take the load off the team and it works so much faster
>>
>> Paul Van Dyke - KB9AVO
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 3:22 PM Bob G3PJT <bob at g3pjt.com> wrote:
>>
>>> David isnt this for you not me?
>>>
>>> 73 Bob
>>>
>>> On 16/03/2021 15:27, W2xj wrote:
>>>> Context?????
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 16, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Bob G3PJT <bob at g3pjt.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?
>>>>> David
>>>>>
>>>>> Try Lisa  Jones, her email is sales at elecraft.com and the other one
>>>>> is
>>> parts at elecraft.com
>>>>> And the mod page which I found useful is
>>>>>
>>>>> https://la3za.blogspot.com/search/label/K2
>>>>>
>>>>> 73 Bob
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From donovanf at erols.com  Wed Mar 17 09:22:15 2021
From: donovanf at erols.com (donovanf at erols.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 09:22:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact- K3 power problem
In-Reply-To: <008101d71b2c$e11cc8f0$a3565ad0$@snet.net>
Message-ID: <88801517.1413068.1615987335874.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>


Gordon, 


Have you verified that your power supply and DC power cable 
are delivering full voltage to your K3 when the K3 is set to deliver 
110 watts output? This is a frequent cause of low power output. 
Use the K3 internal voltmeter 


73 
Frank 
W3LPl 



-----Original Message----- 
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Gordon LaPoint 
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 3:53 PM 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact 

I have a problem with my K3, only 60-70 watts out, even after calibration on 5 and 50 watts. This is the first time I have had a problem with the K3, after years of good operation. I emailed support over a week ago and called them on the phone last week, still have not heard anything. What is the correct email for support?? 
Thanks, 
Gordon - N1MGO K3 #5651 


On 3/16/2021 15:33 PM, Paul Van Dyke wrote: 
> Lisa Jones retired 2+ years ago from Elecraft.. 
> She and Madelyn Gomez (madelyn at elecraft.com) were a team Madelyn Gomez 
> ... madelyn at elecraft.com and her team can help you today.. 
> 
> BUT go thru Support or Tech support 1st !! 
> as they take the load off the team and it works so much faster 
> 
> Paul Van Dyke - KB9AVO 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 3:22 PM Bob G3PJT <bob at g3pjt.com> wrote: 
> 
>> David isnt this for you not me? 
>> 
>> 73 Bob 
>> 
>> On 16/03/2021 15:27, W2xj wrote: 
>>> Context????? 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 16, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Bob G3PJT <bob at g3pjt.com> wrote: 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> David 
>>>> 
>>>> Try Lisa Jones, her email is sales at elecraft.com and the other one 
>>>> is 
>> parts at elecraft.com 
>>>> And the mod page which I found useful is 
>>>> 
>>>> https://la3za.blogspot.com/search/label/K2 
>>>> 
>>>> 73 Bob 
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From chetsubaccount at snet.net  Wed Mar 17 09:37:40 2021
From: chetsubaccount at snet.net (chetsubaccount at snet.net)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 09:37:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact- K3 power problem
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Yes, also a good idea. My Astron PS output voltage had been running a bit
low and needed to be adjusted. As an added item I bought some low ESR
electrolytics and put one across the output terminals inside that supply in
case the old original ones were suffering to do their switcher duties. 
(Had that problem inside an Orion.)

Chet, N8RA

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of donovanf at erols.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2021 9:22 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact- K3 power problem


Gordon, 


Have you verified that your power supply and DC power cable are delivering
full voltage to your K3 when the K3 is set to deliver
110 watts output? This is a frequent cause of low power output. 
Use the K3 internal voltmeter 


73
Frank
W3LPl 



-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Gordon LaPoint
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 3:53 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact 

I have a problem with my K3, only 60-70 watts out, even after calibration on
5 and 50 watts. This is the first time I have had a problem with the K3,
after years of good operation. I emailed support over a week ago and called
them on the phone last week, still have not heard anything. What is the
correct email for support?? 
Thanks,
Gordon - N1MGO K3 #5651 


On 3/16/2021 15:33 PM, Paul Van Dyke wrote: 
> Lisa Jones retired 2+ years ago from Elecraft.. 
> She and Madelyn Gomez (madelyn at elecraft.com) were a team Madelyn Gomez 
> ... madelyn at elecraft.com and her team can help you today.. 
> 
> BUT go thru Support or Tech support 1st !! 
> as they take the load off the team and it works so much faster 
> 
> Paul Van Dyke - KB9AVO 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 3:22 PM Bob G3PJT <bob at g3pjt.com> wrote: 
> 
>> David isnt this for you not me? 
>> 
>> 73 Bob 
>> 
>> On 16/03/2021 15:27, W2xj wrote: 
>>> Context????? 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 16, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Bob G3PJT <bob at g3pjt.com> wrote: 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> David 
>>>> 
>>>> Try Lisa Jones, her email is sales at elecraft.com and the other one 
>>>> is 
>> parts at elecraft.com 
>>>> And the mod page which I found useful is 
>>>> 
>>>> https://la3za.blogspot.com/search/label/K2 
>>>> 
>>>> 73 Bob 
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From andrewfaber at ymail.com  Wed Mar 17 11:46:58 2021
From: andrewfaber at ymail.com (Andrew Faber)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 08:46:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact- K3 power problem
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I had a similar problem with our K3/Astron PS atP40L-P49Y.  Removing the power cable from the back of the Astron and sanding the wires ends lightly (though no corrosion could be seen) solved the problem.
 73, andy ae6y

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: donovanf at erols.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2021 6:22 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact- K3 power problem


Gordon, 


Have you verified that your power supply and DC power cable 
are delivering full voltage to your K3 when the K3 is set to deliver 
110 watts output? This is a frequent cause of low power output. 
Use the K3 internal voltmeter 


73 
Frank 
W3LPl 



-----Original Message----- 
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Gordon LaPoint 
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 3:53 PM 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact 

I have a problem with my K3, only 60-70 watts out, even after calibration on 5 and 50 watts. This is the first time I have had a problem with the K3, after years of good operation. I emailed support over a week ago and called them on the phone last week, still have not heard anything. What is the correct email for support?? 
Thanks, 
Gordon - N1MGO K3 #5651 


On 3/16/2021 15:33 PM, Paul Van Dyke wrote: 
> Lisa Jones retired 2+ years ago from Elecraft.. 
> She and Madelyn Gomez (madelyn at elecraft.com) were a team Madelyn Gomez 
> ... madelyn at elecraft.com and her team can help you today.. 
> 
> BUT go thru Support or Tech support 1st !! 
> as they take the load off the team and it works so much faster 
> 
> Paul Van Dyke - KB9AVO 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 3:22 PM Bob G3PJT <bob at g3pjt.com> wrote: 
> 
>> David isnt this for you not me? 
>> 
>> 73 Bob 
>> 
>> On 16/03/2021 15:27, W2xj wrote: 
>>> Context????? 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 16, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Bob G3PJT <bob at g3pjt.com> wrote: 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> David 
>>>> 
>>>> Try Lisa Jones, her email is sales at elecraft.com and the other one 
>>>> is 
>> parts at elecraft.com 
>>>> And the mod page which I found useful is 
>>>> 
>>>> https://la3za.blogspot.com/search/label/K2 
>>>> 
>>>> 73 Bob 
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From hbjr at optilink.us  Wed Mar 17 11:57:05 2021
From: hbjr at optilink.us (hbjr at optilink.us)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 11:57:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact- K3 power problem
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I've had the same issue with power supply leads - a little polishing raised
the output under load by almost 0.8VDC.  A little dab of NO-OX ID A on the
studs and rings should keep 'em clean going forward.

Hank
K4HYJ

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Andrew Faber via Elecraft
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2021 11:47 AM
To: donovanf at erols.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact- K3 power problem

I had a similar problem with our K3/Astron PS atP40L-P49Y.  Removing the
power cable from the back of the Astron and sanding the wires ends lightly
(though no corrosion could be seen) solved the problem.
 73, andy ae6y

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: donovanf at erols.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2021 6:22 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact- K3 power problem


Gordon, 


Have you verified that your power supply and DC power cable are delivering
full voltage to your K3 when the K3 is set to deliver
110 watts output? This is a frequent cause of low power output. 
Use the K3 internal voltmeter 


73
Frank
W3LPl 



-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Gordon LaPoint
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 3:53 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact 

I have a problem with my K3, only 60-70 watts out, even after calibration on
5 and 50 watts. This is the first time I have had a problem with the K3,
after years of good operation. I emailed support over a week ago and called
them on the phone last week, still have not heard anything. What is the
correct email for support?? 
Thanks,
Gordon - N1MGO K3 #5651 


On 3/16/2021 15:33 PM, Paul Van Dyke wrote: 
> Lisa Jones retired 2+ years ago from Elecraft.. 
> She and Madelyn Gomez (madelyn at elecraft.com) were a team Madelyn Gomez 
> ... madelyn at elecraft.com and her team can help you today.. 
> 
> BUT go thru Support or Tech support 1st !! 
> as they take the load off the team and it works so much faster 
> 
> Paul Van Dyke - KB9AVO 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 3:22 PM Bob G3PJT <bob at g3pjt.com> wrote: 
> 
>> David isnt this for you not me? 
>> 
>> 73 Bob 
>> 
>> On 16/03/2021 15:27, W2xj wrote: 
>>> Context????? 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 16, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Bob G3PJT <bob at g3pjt.com> wrote: 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> David 
>>>> 
>>>> Try Lisa Jones, her email is sales at elecraft.com and the other one 
>>>> is 
>> parts at elecraft.com 
>>>> And the mod page which I found useful is 
>>>> 
>>>> https://la3za.blogspot.com/search/label/K2 
>>>> 
>>>> 73 Bob 
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From gordon.lapoint at gmail.com  Wed Mar 17 15:12:39 2021
From: gordon.lapoint at gmail.com (Gordon LaPoint)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 15:12:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact- K3 power problem
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Frank,
 ??? Yes, I get 13.9 on the radio readout no key, and 13.8 full power 
FSK (only 60-70 watts now). 10gauge wire only 1.5ft long.
Thanks,
Gordon - N1MGO

On 3/17/2021 9:22 AM, donovanf at erols.com wrote:
> Gordon,
>
> Have you verified that your power supply and DC power cable
> are delivering full voltage to your K3 when the K3 is set to deliver
> 110 watts output?? ?This is a frequent cause of low power output.
> Use the K3 internal voltmeter
>
> 73
> Frank
> W3LPl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
> <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Gordon LaPoint
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 3:53 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact
>
> I have a problem with my K3, only 60-70 watts out, even after 
> calibration on 5 and 50 watts. ?This is the first time I have had a 
> problem with the K3, after years of good operation. ? ?I emailed 
> support over a week ago and called them on the phone ?last week, still 
> have not heard anything. ?What is the correct email for support??
> Thanks,
> Gordon - N1MGO ?K3 #5651
>
>
> On 3/16/2021 15:33 PM, Paul Van Dyke wrote:
> > Lisa Jones retired 2+ years ago from Elecraft..
> > She and Madelyn Gomez (madelyn at elecraft.com) were a team Madelyn Gomez
> > ... madelyn at elecraft.com and her team can help you today..
> >
> > BUT go thru Support or Tech support 1st !!
> > ? as they take the load off the team and it works so much faster
> >
> > Paul Van Dyke - KB9AVO
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 3:22 PM Bob G3PJT <bob at g3pjt.com> wrote:
> >
> >> David isnt this for you not me?
> >>
> >> 73 Bob
> >>
> >> On 16/03/2021 15:27, W2xj wrote:
> >>> Context?????
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>
> >>>> On Mar 16, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Bob G3PJT <bob at g3pjt.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> ?
> >>>> David
> >>>>
> >>>> Try Lisa ?Jones, her email is sales at elecraft.com and the other one
> >>>> is
> >> parts at elecraft.com
> >>>> And the mod page which I found useful is
> >>>>
> >>>> https://la3za.blogspot.com/search/label/K2
> >>>>
> >>>> 73 Bob
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From charles.hardt at mgccc.edu  Wed Mar 17 17:12:13 2021
From: charles.hardt at mgccc.edu (Charles Hardt)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 21:12:13 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact- K3 power problem
In-Reply-To: <9409f0c4-e917-9cf1-aa9a-6248ac26f6a1@gmail.com>
References: <88801517.1413068.1615987335874.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>,
	<9409f0c4-e917-9cf1-aa9a-6248ac26f6a1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7cr6rf3ds58ehqk7dccaqayu.1616015522747@email.android.com>

Dummy Load, right?  Sorry if redundant.

Good Luck!
73
Charlie, N2PKW



Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S?4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Gordon LaPoint <gordon.lapoint at gmail.com>
Date: 03/17/2021 2:15 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [EXT]: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact- K3 power problem

Frank,
     Yes, I get 13.9 on the radio readout no key, and 13.8 full power
FSK (only 60-70 watts now). 10gauge wire only 1.5ft long.
Thanks,
Gordon - N1MGO

On 3/17/2021 9:22 AM, donovanf at erols.com wrote:
> Gordon,
>
> Have you verified that your power supply and DC power cable
> are delivering full voltage to your K3 when the K3 is set to deliver
> 110 watts output?   This is a frequent cause of low power output.
> Use the K3 internal voltmeter
>
> 73
> Frank
> W3LPl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Gordon LaPoint
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 3:53 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact
>
> I have a problem with my K3, only 60-70 watts out, even after
> calibration on 5 and 50 watts.  This is the first time I have had a
> problem with the K3, after years of good operation.    I emailed
> support over a week ago and called them on the phone  last week, still
> have not heard anything.  What is the correct email for support??
> Thanks,
> Gordon - N1MGO  K3 #5651
>
>
> On 3/16/2021 15:33 PM, Paul Van Dyke wrote:
> > Lisa Jones retired 2+ years ago from Elecraft..
> > She and Madelyn Gomez (madelyn at elecraft.com) were a team Madelyn Gomez
> > ... madelyn at elecraft.com and her team can help you today..
> >
> > BUT go thru Support or Tech support 1st !!
> >   as they take the load off the team and it works so much faster
> >
> > Paul Van Dyke - KB9AVO
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 3:22 PM Bob G3PJT <bob at g3pjt.com> wrote:
> >
> >> David isnt this for you not me?
> >>
> >> 73 Bob
> >>
> >> On 16/03/2021 15:27, W2xj wrote:
> >>> Context?????
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>
> >>>> On Mar 16, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Bob G3PJT <bob at g3pjt.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> ?
> >>>> David
> >>>>
> >>>> Try Lisa  Jones, her email is sales at elecraft.com and the other one
> >>>> is
> >> parts at elecraft.com
> >>>> And the mod page which I found useful is
> >>>>
> >>>> https://la3za.blogspot.com/search/label/K2
> >>>>
> >>>> 73 Bob
> >>>> ______________________________________________________________
> >>>> Elecraft mailing list
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From billamader at gmail.com  Wed Mar 17 19:40:16 2021
From: billamader at gmail.com (K8TE)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 16:40:16 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] New version of K3 and KX3 Freq. Memory Editor
	available
In-Reply-To: <CAEVEBrMtHfyPvh98zznMQijCEcmiA=xOsHpVSdaSAa0Vusts_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F96F479.2090005@elecraft.com>
	<1613392012816-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<CAEVEBrMtHfyPvh98zznMQijCEcmiA=xOsHpVSdaSAa0Vusts_A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1616024416826-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

It's listed on the "main" firmware/software page, one link down from the
Elecraft home page.  Maybe I've been to the Elecraft web site too many
times?  I would rather see time devoted to shipping my (soon to become
favorite radio) K4.  Please don't start a K4 shipping war of words everyone!

73, Bill, K8TE



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From billamader at gmail.com  Wed Mar 17 19:53:19 2021
From: billamader at gmail.com (K8TE)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 16:53:19 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Connecting PC to K3S
In-Reply-To: <1611540291258-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1611540291258-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1616025199138-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Whether the WinKeyer is necessary depends on the logging program for sending
CW.  N3FJP's ACLog CANNOT use the same virtual serial port to control the
rig and send CW like N1MM+ can.  ACLog MUST have a separate (like the
WinKeyer) port for CW.  OTOH, DXLab Suite (and others) is able to accomplish
the same magic as N1MM+.

You have to know/understand the software requirements/capabilities as well
as the rig's specifications today to put a shack together and make it work. 
A critical element of this is to RTFM for all hardware and software, not the
American Male Way.

73, Bill, K8TE



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From n6tv at arrl.net  Thu Mar 18 00:00:57 2021
From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 21:00:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Connecting PC to K3S
In-Reply-To: <1611540291258-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1611540291258-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAOmNKGKW_Ziq2Hf6UE1i4KaRpLXi-eOmoicAAoRspmXNZAnwoA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 6:05 PM NJMike <mikekopacki at gmail.com> wrote:

> One thing is the connection from my laptop to the K3S.  The laptop has 2
> USB
> ports.  One USB port is used with a wireless keyboard.  The other USB port
> is connected to a 4-port hub.  From the hub, one port goes to a Winkeyer.
> Another port on the hub has the USB connector for a mouse.
>
> I don't think I will need the Winkeyer with the K3S.  (Can someone confirm
> this?).


The K3S has a built in keyer for your paddle.  And, as K8TE mentioned, you
can also key computer-generated CW and PTT from many (but not all) logging
programs, using the CONFIG:PTT-KEY menu in the K3S to enable CW and PTT
keying over the USB cable's virtual "DTR" and "RTS" pins.  No WinKey
required.

This is covered in great detail in this presentation, linked from my
qrz.com page <https://www.qrz.com/db/N6TV>.

Everything You Need to Know About USB and Serial Interfaces
<https://bit.ly/USBserial2020>, presented at 2020 Dayton CTU via Zoom

   - Watch YouTube recording of this presentation here
   <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEEUpsWUtAA&feature=youtu.be&t=8127>.

If you're using N3FJP, my S-BOX-USB <https://bit.ly/S-BOX> can provide the
second serial port it requires to key CW and PTT via RTS and DTR, merging
these lines into the lone serial port on the K3 or K3S RS232 cable, or
keying via the KEY and PTT jacks with additional cables.

I assume I could still use the hub and now use a USB to USB mini cable to
> connect to the K3S.
>

There is no "USB mini" connector on the K3S.  It's a standard USB Type B
(square) connector.  These connectors are also illustrated in the
presentation referenced above; see Slide 6.


> The laptop also has a mini HDMI port.  Could I use a micro HDMI to mini
> USB to control the K3S?
>

Sorry, the mini HDMI to mini USB adapter does not produce a virtual serial
port.  It provides an HDMI monitor port.  Any USB to HDMI adapters you'll
find on the web are there to convert the USB port on a PC (type A) to HDMI
monitor ports, so you can connect an HDMI monitor if your PC has no HDMI
ports.  But you can't plug those adapters into a K3S (wrong connector).

Just connect a common USB Type A to USB Type B cable from your USB hub to
the K3S, and you'll be in business with both logging software and
(potentially) computer-generated CW and PTT.  Now, if you also want
computer-generated FSK RTTY keying, you can use a device like my S-BOX to
add that capability.   FSK RTTY keying is through the 15-pin ACC connector
of the K3S, which can't be connected directly to a computer.

NEVER plug a VGA cable or a VGA adapter into the K3's ACC connector; it's
the same physical connector type (DE-15F), but it is NOT a VGA monitor
port, and trying to connect a monitor cable there could cause damage.
Never do it.

My other offering, the Y-BOX, is useful if you need to connect multiple
devices to the K3 ACC port, or need a breakout box.  Such devices include
the Mortty FSK keyer, or a microHAM device, or RemoteRig box, in addition
to Elecraft devices like the KAT500/KPA500 and KPA1500, or a band decoder /
automatic antenna switch.

73,
Bob, N6TV
https://bit.ly/S-BOX
https://bit.ly/Y-BOX

From gordon.lapoint at gmail.com  Thu Mar 18 03:21:41 2021
From: gordon.lapoint at gmail.com (Gordon LaPoint)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 03:21:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact- K3 power problem
In-Reply-To: <7cr6rf3ds58ehqk7dccaqayu.1616015522747@email.android.com>
References: <88801517.1413068.1615987335874.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
	<9409f0c4-e917-9cf1-aa9a-6248ac26f6a1@gmail.com>
	<7cr6rf3ds58ehqk7dccaqayu.1616015522747@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <58f56456-1063-2789-dab6-02e181deed8f@gmail.com>

Yes, with dummy load, same with various antennas.
Thanks,
Gordon - N1MGO

On 3/17/2021 17:12 PM, Charles Hardt wrote:
> Dummy Load, right?? Sorry if redundant.
>
> Good Luck!
> 73
> Charlie, N2PKW
>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S?4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Gordon LaPoint <gordon.lapoint at gmail.com>
> Date: 03/17/2021 2:15 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [EXT]: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact- K3 power problem
>
> Frank,
> ???? Yes, I get 13.9 on the radio readout no key, and 13.8 full power
> FSK (only 60-70 watts now). 10gauge wire only 1.5ft long.
> Thanks,
> Gordon - N1MGO
>
> On 3/17/2021 9:22 AM, donovanf at erols.com wrote:
> > Gordon,
> >
> > Have you verified that your power supply and DC power cable
> > are delivering full voltage to your K3 when the K3 is set to deliver
> > 110 watts output?? ?This is a frequent cause of low power output.
> > Use the K3 internal voltmeter
> >
> > 73
> > Frank
> > W3LPl
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> > <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Gordon LaPoint
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 3:53 PM
> > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact
> >
> > I have a problem with my K3, only 60-70 watts out, even after
> > calibration on 5 and 50 watts. ?This is the first time I have had a
> > problem with the K3, after years of good operation. ?I emailed
> > support over a week ago and called them on the phone ?last week, still
> > have not heard anything. ?What is the correct email for support??
> > Thanks,
> > Gordon - N1MGO ?K3 #5651
> >
> >
> > On 3/16/2021 15:33 PM, Paul Van Dyke wrote:
> > > Lisa Jones retired 2+ years ago from Elecraft..
> > > She and Madelyn Gomez (madelyn at elecraft.com) were a team Madelyn Gomez
> > > ... madelyn at elecraft.com and her team can help you today..
> > >
> > > BUT go thru Support or Tech support 1st !!
> > > ? as they take the load off the team and it works so much faster
> > >
> > > Paul Van Dyke - KB9AVO
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 3:22 PM Bob G3PJT <bob at g3pjt.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> David isnt this for you not me?
> > >>
> > >> 73 Bob
> > >>
> > >> On 16/03/2021 15:27, W2xj wrote:
> > >>> Context?????
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my iPad
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Mar 16, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Bob G3PJT <bob at g3pjt.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ?
> > >>>> David
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Try Lisa ?Jones, her email is sales at elecraft.com and the other one
> > >>>> is
> > >> parts at elecraft.com
> > >>>> And the mod page which I found useful is
> > >>>>
> > >>>> https://la3za.blogspot.com/search/label/K2 
> <https://la3za.blogspot.com/search/label/K2>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 73 Bob
> > >>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From JDORadio at outlook.com  Thu Mar 18 03:53:41 2021
From: JDORadio at outlook.com (David Oliver)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 07:53:41 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 60m transverter kit
Message-ID: <VI1P189MB0526D96A6CD11E67BCA90EB1CC699@VI1P189MB0526.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I recently acquired a basic K2 serial number 3428, and I would like to add the 60m band.
Does anyone have a 60m kit that they would wish to sell ?

73,

David Oliver G4HMC.




From ve3dss at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 18 09:33:27 2021
From: ve3dss at hotmail.com (Dana)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 09:33:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 tx rx switching
Message-ID: <PH0PR11MB49365B76285B54D2C44C7EF88B699@PH0PR11MB4936.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

I have an interesting question I hope someone can answer:

Im running a dual band amp - a very old Henry 6 N 2.
I?ve used it primarily on 6 m but recently got it tuned back up for 2 m as well.

I want to drive it with the K3 on both bands.

The input circuit for the amp as separated connectors for 6 and 2 however the 
Internal circuits of course all lead to the cathodes of the 8874?s. So when one drives
On either band there is RF energy cross coupling on either input. So the 6 m power would have 2 m RF on it 
And vice versa? 

Here is the question:   When the K3 switches to Transmit, do all the antenna ports switch 
Together or just the active port?

Also, wrt to the internal 2 m transverter, is it powered off when not in use, and does the receive port
See the outside world at all times? 

The reason Im asking is I don?t have 2 DPDT relays but can put switching together using multiple SPDT relays.
One the drive side however I have a nice dual SPDT relay that can switch both 6 and 2 m RX and drive  but it only has
One coil so it would be active on either band? however this would put the 2 m RX line into the amp input at the same time
As 6 m so I suspect this would not be a wise idea? 

73 Dana VE3DS

From wb4ooa at gmail.com  Thu Mar 18 10:31:43 2021
From: wb4ooa at gmail.com (Ron Durie)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 10:31:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 LPF BOARD BURNED UP
Message-ID: <001301d71c03$6b733170$42599450$@gmail.com>

I know this is long shot, but, 
Does anyone have a spare; good; KPA500 LPF BOARD? 
If so, are you willing to part with it?  
Thanks 73's  

Ron Durie
WB4OOA
704-843-3681
WB4OOA at gmail.com 


From ezracarmel at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 18 12:18:52 2021
From: ezracarmel at yahoo.com (Ezra Carmel)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 18:18:52 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 500
References: <000001d71c12$64e5f4a0$2eb1dde0$.ref@com>
Message-ID: <000001d71c12$64e5f4a0$2eb1dde0$@com>

Hello.

During operation with a high SWR and low power I heard a strong bang and the
KPA500 shut off.

I have opened the upper panel and found  2 ceramic caps of VRF2933. The
inner side of the plastic cover is blackened

Looks that the power supply is working I read 74.6 volt on the voltage
display on the LCD.

Have written to support  but did not receive any answer.

Is it enough to replace the 2 X VRF2933.

Is someone aware  of a procedure of reaching the finals?

 

73

Ezra Carmel

4Z4RQ

ISRAEL

  

 

 

 

 

 


From dave at nk7z.net  Thu Mar 18 12:50:33 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 09:50:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Support address...
Message-ID: <f2cb69ce-b997-2b94-3aa7-4b41e4886a67@nk7z.net>

Is support at elecraft.com, still the correct address to write to?  I have 
sent three inquiries to that address, across a week and a half, and 
gotten no reply.
-- 
73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

From rocketnj at gmail.com  Thu Mar 18 12:56:42 2021
From: rocketnj at gmail.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 12:56:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Support address...
In-Reply-To: <f2cb69ce-b997-2b94-3aa7-4b41e4886a67@nk7z.net>
References: <f2cb69ce-b997-2b94-3aa7-4b41e4886a67@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <4750F0A6-BBCD-4A59-8366-0B7CA2313AF2@gmail.com>

As far as I know it is correct address. Maybe check your spam for leer for replies?

My friend just contacted them and got response for a KPA1500 question. 

Dave wo2x

Sent from my waxed string and tin cans. 

> On Mar 18, 2021, at 12:52 PM, Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Is support at elecraft.com, still the correct address to write to?  I have sent three inquiries to that address, across a week and a half, and gotten no reply.
> -- 
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
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From weaverwf at usermail.com  Thu Mar 18 13:16:53 2021
From: weaverwf at usermail.com (weaverwf at usermail.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 13:16:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Support address...
In-Reply-To: <4750F0A6-BBCD-4A59-8366-0B7CA2313AF2@gmail.com>
References: <4750F0A6-BBCD-4A59-8366-0B7CA2313AF2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49309C5A-CE23-4D1C-9BDE-AC222B8B9A33@usermail.com>

They are really stacked up. I just called on Monday for a return auth. for my 1500 and got a 45 day estimate from Michelle (I think?).

73,
Bill WE5P

Comfortably Numb

> On Mar 18, 2021, at 12:58, Dave <rocketnj at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?As far as I know it is correct address. Maybe check your spam for leer for replies?
> 
> My friend just contacted them and got response for a KPA1500 question. 
> 
> Dave wo2x
> 
> Sent from my waxed string and tin cans. 
> 
>> On Mar 18, 2021, at 12:52 PM, Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Is support at elecraft.com, still the correct address to write to?  I have sent three inquiries to that address, across a week and a half, and gotten no reply.
>> -- 
>> 73, and thanks,
>> Dave (NK7Z)
>> https://www.nk7z.net
>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
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From dave at nk7z.net  Thu Mar 18 14:25:50 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 11:25:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Redux: Support address...
In-Reply-To: <49309C5A-CE23-4D1C-9BDE-AC222B8B9A33@usermail.com>
References: <4750F0A6-BBCD-4A59-8366-0B7CA2313AF2@gmail.com>
	<49309C5A-CE23-4D1C-9BDE-AC222B8B9A33@usermail.com>
Message-ID: <93b36328-9f9c-2e7e-7bfa-d6a808af9180@nk7z.net>

Thanks for all the answers, both here and in private, I'll wait a bit 
longer rather than call them as they are busy.

I have been tasked with liquidating a SK K3/P3, and want to get the 
original paperwork together first so I can set a fair price on it.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 3/18/21 10:16 AM, weaverwf at usermail.com wrote:
> They are really stacked up. I just called on Monday for a return auth. for my 1500 and got a 45 day estimate from Michelle (I think?).
> 
> 73,
> Bill WE5P
> 
> Comfortably Numb
> 
>> On Mar 18, 2021, at 12:58, Dave <rocketnj at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?As far as I know it is correct address. Maybe check your spam for leer for replies?
>>
>> My friend just contacted them and got response for a KPA1500 question.
>>
>> Dave wo2x
>>
>> Sent from my waxed string and tin cans.
>>
>>> On Mar 18, 2021, at 12:52 PM, Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Is support at elecraft.com, still the correct address to write to?  I have sent three inquiries to that address, across a week and a half, and gotten no reply.
>>> -- 
>>> 73, and thanks,
>>> Dave (NK7Z)
>>> https://www.nk7z.net
>>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>>> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
>>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
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From a.durbin at msn.com  Thu Mar 18 15:11:31 2021
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 19:11:31 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 protection
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB29689C040CBBE65F5090EADB8C699@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

Two post today about KPA500 that seem to have been damaged because the built in protection was inadequate.  What's going on?

In my station the KPA500 is protected against stupid errors that cause high SWR by the KPA500 itself, by my KAT500, by my LP100A, and by my Arduino controller.  I hope one of these will stop the smoke getting out.

73,
Andy, k3wyc

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Thu Mar 18 15:38:00 2021
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 15:38:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 protection
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References: <BYAPR16MB29689C040CBBE65F5090EADB8C699@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts7mNXV48j-AOqPZfuogsE97ChXtPWMDbApOQu70KvMJ5Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Andy

I blew my 6M Caps one day, but it was 100% my stupidity when I kept
bombarding it with a full 100w carrier when I had the amp to go 'online'
when it was turned on.  This is a firmware setting.  It tripped off the
first time.  I reset it and hit it again (not thinking) and the CAPs blew.
I fixed it myself and all I had to do is replace the caps (and repair the
board).

I ran mine for years on my remote and made many many mistakes and never had
an issue and I tripped it offline a ton of times.

In the emails you saw today, you need to ask about the mechanics of the
failures first.

Mike va3mw


On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 3:12 PM Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote:

> Two post today about KPA500 that seem to have been damaged because the
> built in protection was inadequate.  What's going on?
>
> In my station the KPA500 is protected against stupid errors that cause
> high SWR by the KPA500 itself, by my KAT500, by my LP100A, and by my
> Arduino controller.  I hope one of these will stop the smoke getting out.
>
> 73,
> Andy, k3wyc
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From john at kk9a.com  Thu Mar 18 16:11:47 2021
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 15:11:47 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 protection
Message-ID: <20210318151147.Horde.06kW0DN4Vcq811jTaCYbs51@www11.qth.com>

I am also curious how the KPA500's are failing even with the fault  
protection. I consider the KPA500 to be one of the best solid state  
amps available.

How does a LP100 protect against stupid errors?

John KK9A


Andy Durbin K3WYC wrote:

Two post today about KPA500 that seem to have been damaged because the  
built in protection was inadequate.  What's going on?

In my station the KPA500 is protected against stupid errors that cause  
high SWR by the KPA500 itself, by my KAT500, by my LP100A, and by my  
Arduino controller.  I hope one of these will stop the smoke getting  
out.

73,
Andy, k3wyc



From chetsubaccount at snet.net  Thu Mar 18 16:34:43 2021
From: chetsubaccount at snet.net (chetsubaccount at snet.net)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 16:34:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 power problem with LPA FETs
References: <00a901d71c36$21dad440$65907cc0$.ref@snet.net>
Message-ID: <00a901d71c36$21dad440$65907cc0$@snet.net>

Others have asked so I took a little time today to consolidate my disorganized notes and will add it below.
73,
Chet, N8RA

Assembled below are the notes from my experience in finding and fixing a power out problem on my K3. Where possible, I tried to give credit to the authors, to all of which I am grateful.

TESTS FOR THE MOSFETS.

The 3-screw finger test from WA6VAB and others: 
There are 3 MOSFETs of the  LPA that are heat-sinked to the bottom of the radio by being connected to the bottom plate using phillips head screws. Check your manual for their location

Place the radio so it is raised up using the front bail and place your fingers on the 3 screw that are holding the 3 MOSFETs. 

Key the PTT so the XTR is on.   All 3 should get warm, Not HOT or Cold.   
Hot = shorted, Cold = open,  Warm  = normal.


WE6R factory tech comments:
The 3-finger bottom cover on and going into full TX test is valid, just takes longer and a bit harder to tell what is happening. 
You can do the 3-finger check with the bottom cover OFF, but  DO NOT Transmit, just TAP xmit to turn the Bias ON. (and have the mode set to USB or LSB-ed). Stop the test after 10-15 seconds. Good devices will get hot fast.
(N8RA- Note that the MOSFETs have sticky pad attached to them and if the bottom cover has not been off for a while, it may take some gentle wiggling to get the bottom cover off.)

N8RA test using the front panel power supply current display:
If there is a KPA3 installed, configure it to NOT INST and cycle power so you do not have its current added. Tap DISP and turn the VFO-B knob to get to the current display. Turn transmitter power below 10w and put the transmitter in ?test? mode with the mode button. Note the difference in current from receive to that when tapping the xmit button. The difference should be about 600 ma. If significantly less or more, then one of the MOSFETs in the low power amp (LPA) may be bad or not biased properly. Reset your KPA3 configuration back to NOR (normal).


ORDER THE RIGHT MOSFET

Only one of my MOSFETs was bad, but I replaced both output MOSFETs. With one failed,  the other had been carrying the whole load to produce output so may have been over-worked, over-stressed and hurting.

To be sure of getting the right vintage of RD15HVF1 MOSFETs, last year I ordered them (and thermal insulators) from Elecraft. My order was shipped that same day and arrived via priority mail 2 days later. Great service.

RF Parts is also a source. It has been reported that the earlier MOSFET with -101 is the one to get for the K3.

DOING THE REPAIR

Obviously, the bottom cover must come off. The MOSFETs have sticky pads between them and the bottom cover, so it may take some gentle wiggling to free it. 

MOSFET means USE CARE to prevent ESD damage. Use a soldering iron with a grounded tip. Wear an ESD strap, if you do not have one, keep your other wrist on a metal part of the K3 case.

Note the bending direction and bent lead distance of the MOSFETs to prep the new parts. 
Take extra ESD care when handling these transistors by themselves. 

Cut the leads of a bad part near the body and then unsolder each lead from its pcb hole.

Use a solder sucker or wick to open the pcb holes.

Mount the new MOSFET and reflow its 3 pcb holes. 

Add the heat sink pads to the MOSFET tabs and put the bottom cover back on. 


MOSFET BIAS ADJUST

>From Elecraft Customer Support:

You'll need to follow this sequence for setting bias after the fix:

1. Remove the 100 watt amplifier (if installed) by disconnecting the fan panel and their 2 connector wires, and the 2 wires to the circuit breaker.  Use care to not pull on the KPA3 too hard and thus let it fly off the connectors and cause damage to it or to the chassis. Use gentle but firm finger pressure, or pry carefully with a plastic tool (such as the K2 green plastic alignment tool), near the two PCB connectors. This will usually help the KPA3 start to move.

(N8RA: The Elecraft document ?KPA3CONMDKT MOD Kit Manual? has a wonderful description of how to remove and reinstall the 100W amplifier to allow access to the LPA?s adjustment potentiometers.)

2. Locate small SMD pots R18, R19 and R24 near the center of the LPA board.  Turn the pots to minimum. (White pots fully CW, Black pots fully CCW)

3. Turn the power knob down to ZERO. 

4. Tap DISP, (display button), use VFO B to display the current drawn by the radio. For more accurate results, insert a DMM in the positive power supply lead that is set to a current range that can handle up to 2-3 amps.

5. Hold TEST (the right hand side of the MODE button). This puts the K3 in TEST mode with no RF drive.(but it will not light the red xmt led)

6.  Tap XMIT. You will see a current of approx  1 to 2A (depending on options in radio) but the red TX LED will not come on.  Adjust R18 to increase the reading by 0.2A  IE 200ma

7. Adjust R19 to increase the current another 0.2A

8. Adjust R24 to increase the current another 0.2A

9. Tap XMIT to exit bias on condition. (Current should drop approx.600ma).  NOTE: if you are just checking current and you do have the KPA3 installed, set it to NOT INST and cycle power so you do not have its current added, thus confusing your readings.

10. Set Power to 11.9W. Hold TEST again to cancel TEST mode so RF output is possible. The LCD shows TX NORM. (Reinstall the 100-watt amplifier.)


Summary and tips from Elecraft Super Tech WE6R: 
We bias each device at 200ma increase, from fully off, which is Counter Clock Wise, CCW. (The total for all 3 is 600ma.) 
NOTE  there were a *FEW* of the older LPA boards that have 3 WHITE pots and they are REVERSED action, IE you start fully clockwise equals no current (vs CCW).
Only tap XMIT to turn on Bias (quiescent current), NOT a long press to full transmit.


WRAPPING UP

Check your power supply voltage on the front panel display. Many have reported that older K3?s seem to work better with this in the 14 volt range.

Connect to the Elecraft K3 utility and run the transmitter gain tests.

If all is well, save a copy of the K3?s configuration file.

Thank you everyone on the K3 forums for your shared advice and experiences.




-----Original Message-----
From: Gordon LaPoint <gordon.lapoint at gmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2021 9:03 AM
To: chetsubaccount at snet.net; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact- K3 power problem

Chet,
     Thanks!  Please send me the notes, I will look at the problem closer.  I don't know if the problem is the low power amp or the 100 watt amp yet.
I should be able to fix it, I built a K2 from scratch and have repaired other radios.
Gordon - N1MGO

On 3/17/2021 8:55 AM, chetsubaccount at snet.net wrote:
> Hi Gordon,
>
> I had some power problems with my K3 a few months ago, and could not get any useful help by e-mailing support, but with the kindness of others on the Elecraft owners lists I was able to troubleshoot and repair it on my own. One of the power MOSFETs in the low power amp section had failed. I also believe the bias adjustments in that section had shifted, and it probably helped that the 100W amp had to be removed for that and then reseated into its connectors.
>
> If you desire to go that route, I can send you my notes on the process.
>
> 73,
> Chet, N8RA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
> <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Gordon LaPoint
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 3:53 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact
>
> I have a problem with my K3, only 60-70 watts out, even after calibration on 5 and 50 watts.  This is the first time I have had a problem with the K3, after years of good operation.    I emailed support over a week ago and called them on the phone  last week, still have not heard anything.  What is the correct email for support??
> Thanks,
> Gordon - N1MGO  K3 #5651
>
>
> On 3/16/2021 15:33 PM, Paul Van Dyke wrote:
>> Lisa Jones retired 2+ years ago from Elecraft..
>> She and Madelyn Gomez (madelyn at elecraft.com) were a team Madelyn 
>> Gomez ... madelyn at elecraft.com and her team can help you today..
>>
>> BUT go thru Support or Tech support 1st !!
>>    as they take the load off the team and it works so much faster
>>
>> Paul Van Dyke - KB9AVO
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 3:22 PM Bob G3PJT <bob at g3pjt.com> wrote:
>>
>>> David isnt this for you not me?
>>>
>>> 73 Bob
>>>
>>> On 16/03/2021 15:27, W2xj wrote:
>>>> Context?????
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 16, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Bob G3PJT <bob at g3pjt.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?
>>>>> David
>>>>>
>>>>> Try Lisa  Jones, her email is sales at elecraft.com and the other one 
>>>>> is
>>> parts at elecraft.com
>>>>> And the mod page which I found useful is
>>>>>
>>>>> https://la3za.blogspot.com/search/label/K2
>>>>>
>>>>> 73 Bob
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From a.durbin at msn.com  Thu Mar 18 18:35:47 2021
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 22:35:47 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 protection
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References: <BYAPR16MB29689C040CBBE65F5090EADB8C699@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB29685312373F13BEB678FBA88C699@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"How does a LP100 protect against stupid errors?"

LP-100A is designed to open the key line when SWR exceeds a user defined threshold.  When I make a mistake it is often the first to trip.

73,
Andy, k3wyc



From ua9cdc at gmail.com  Thu Mar 18 20:29:25 2021
From: ua9cdc at gmail.com (Igor Sokolov)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 05:29:25 +0500
Subject: [Elecraft] SMTR MD on KX3?
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Message-ID: <cacb1457-2396-11c6-9c77-7cf82d4b3a01@gmail.com>

I second the request. Got used to Abs S meter reading in K3. Would be 
great to have it in KX3 as well.

73, Igor UA9CDC

16.03.2021 22:02, Julia Tuttle ?????:
> Hi,
>
> Is there a chance the SMTR MD menu item on the KX3 will eventually be
> implemented? I'd like it to be able to measure the background RF noise at
> my (dense urban) QTH without having to turn the preamp off or subtract that
> 20 dB out.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Julie
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From gordon.lapoint at gmail.com  Fri Mar 19 12:07:13 2021
From: gordon.lapoint at gmail.com (Gordon LaPoint)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 12:07:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact- K3 power problem
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All,
 ??? Thanks for the tips and help.? It looks like my problem was just a 
bad/corrodued connection in the radio.? After I removed the covers and 
reseated the 100 Watt amp, and other modules and cables everything 
appears to be working normal.
Thanks!
Gordon - N1MGO
On 3/17/2021 8:55 AM, chetsubaccount at snet.net wrote:
> Hi Gordon,
>
> I had some power problems with my K3 a few months ago, and could not get any useful help by e-mailing support, but with the kindness of others on the Elecraft owners lists I was able to troubleshoot and repair it on my own. One of the power MOSFETs in the low power amp section had failed. I also believe the bias adjustments in that section had shifted, and it probably helped that the 100W amp had to be removed for that and then reseated into its connectors.
>
> If you desire to go that route, I can send you my notes on the process.
>
> 73,
> Chet, N8RA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Gordon LaPoint
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 3:53 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft contact
>
> I have a problem with my K3, only 60-70 watts out, even after calibration on 5 and 50 watts.  This is the first time I have had a problem with the K3, after years of good operation.    I emailed support over a week ago and called them on the phone  last week, still have not heard anything.  What is the correct email for support??
> Thanks,
> Gordon - N1MGO  K3 #5651
>
>
> On 3/16/2021 15:33 PM, Paul Van Dyke wrote:
>> Lisa Jones retired 2+ years ago from Elecraft..
>> She and Madelyn Gomez (madelyn at elecraft.com) were a team Madelyn Gomez
>> ... madelyn at elecraft.com and her team can help you today..
>>
>> BUT go thru Support or Tech support 1st !!
>>    as they take the load off the team and it works so much faster
>>
>> Paul Van Dyke - KB9AVO
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 3:22 PM Bob G3PJT <bob at g3pjt.com> wrote:
>>
>>> David isnt this for you not me?
>>>
>>> 73 Bob
>>>
>>> On 16/03/2021 15:27, W2xj wrote:
>>>> Context?????
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 16, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Bob G3PJT <bob at g3pjt.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?
>>>>> David
>>>>>
>>>>> Try Lisa  Jones, her email is sales at elecraft.com and the other one
>>>>> is
>>> parts at elecraft.com
>>>>> And the mod page which I found useful is
>>>>>
>>>>> https://la3za.blogspot.com/search/label/K2
>>>>>
>>>>> 73 Bob
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From rcrgs at verizon.net  Fri Mar 19 17:06:47 2021
From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 21:06:47 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] best grounding technique
References: <60551267.4000301.ref@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <60551267.4000301@verizon.net>

It seems that there are two ways of running grounding wires in the 
shack: FAN - from a common ground point, individual grounding wires are 
run to each piece of equipment; LINKING - a ground wire is run from each 
piece of equipment to the next and eventually ending in a common ground 
point. What's the group wisdom on the relative merits of these two 
approaches to running grounds in the shack?
...robert
-- 
Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY
rcrgs at verizon.net.usa
Syracuse, New York, USA


From wunder at wunderwood.org  Fri Mar 19 17:27:59 2021
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 14:27:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] best grounding technique
In-Reply-To: <60551267.4000301@verizon.net>
References: <60551267.4000301.ref@verizon.net> <60551267.4000301@verizon.net>
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Personally, I would re-read the appropriate chapter in the ARRL Grounding and Bonding book. That explains the goal of bonding equipment and gives best practices. This book will be the best $23 you spend on grounding and bonding. I?ve already read it twice, but there is no way to remember the whole thing, so I always refer back to it.

https://www.arrl.org/shop/Grounding-and-Bonding-for-the-Radio-Amateur

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Mar 19, 2021, at 2:06 PM, Robert G Strickland via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> It seems that there are two ways of running grounding wires in the shack: FAN - from a common ground point, individual grounding wires are run to each piece of equipment; LINKING - a ground wire is run from each piece of equipment to the next and eventually ending in a common ground point. What's the group wisdom on the relative merits of these two approaches to running grounds in the shack?
> ...robert
> -- 
> Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY
> rcrgs at verizon.net.usa
> Syracuse, New York, USA
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From rick.nk7i at gmail.com  Fri Mar 19 17:44:16 2021
From: rick.nk7i at gmail.com (Rick NK7I)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 14:44:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] best grounding technique
In-Reply-To: <60551267.4000301@verizon.net>
References: <60551267.4000301.ref@verizon.net> <60551267.4000301@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <03704d4a-1d8f-9466-f592-045300f4cab0@gmail.com>

The ARRL book on Grounding and Bonding is very clear.? Each piece of 
gear has its OWN wire/strap to a common grounding point (a copper pipe 
mounted on a wall is a common method, that being connected to the system 
ground; everything to the building safety ground, more ground rods every 
2x the depth of the rod).

Look at it this way, say a discharge comes in through your antenna, into 
the radio, connected to your computer and other devices.? Would you 
prefer that energy goes only through the radio to ground (losing the 
radio) or in a series through everything else in the shack too?? The 
'fan' mode you mention is preferred, give that energy EVERY chance to 
seek ground BEFORE it passes through your gear.

Energy shunts (PolyPhase devises for example) at the antenna entry point 
are another must.? One per feed.

I suggest reading that book, several times (it's complex) for a better 
understanding.

73,
Rick NK7I

On 3/19/2021 2:06 PM, Robert G Strickland via Elecraft wrote:
> It seems that there are two ways of running grounding wires in the 
> shack: FAN - from a common ground point, individual grounding wires 
> are run to each piece of equipment; LINKING - a ground wire is run 
> from each piece of equipment to the next and eventually ending in a 
> common ground point. What's the group wisdom on the relative merits of 
> these two approaches to running grounds in the shack?
> ...robert

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Mar 19 19:21:12 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 16:21:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] best grounding technique
In-Reply-To: <E5FD04E9-4B7A-44DB-8E22-C8E6C8AEC5D3@wunderwood.org>
References: <60551267.4000301.ref@verizon.net> <60551267.4000301@verizon.net>
	<E5FD04E9-4B7A-44DB-8E22-C8E6C8AEC5D3@wunderwood.org>
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On 3/19/2021 2:27 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
> Personally, I would re-read the appropriate chapter in the ARRL Grounding and Bonding book. That explains the goal of bonding equipment and gives best practices. This book will be the best $23 you spend on grounding and bonding. I?ve already read it twice, but there is no way to remember the whole thing, so I always refer back to it.
> 
> https://www.arrl.org/shop/Grounding-and-Bonding-for-the-Radio-Amateur

As it happens, Ward and I are putting the finishing touches on the 
second edition. The first one is very good, the second will be even better.

My take on it, about five years ago, are in this slide pdf for talks 
I've done at Pacificon, Visalia, and some clubs.

http://k9yc.com/GroundingAndAudio.pdf

73, Jim K9YC

From julia at juliatuttle.net  Fri Mar 19 19:28:13 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 19:28:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] best grounding technique
In-Reply-To: <1a96d089-8d92-e4e3-a3ec-de117bcec706@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <60551267.4000301.ref@verizon.net> <60551267.4000301@verizon.net>
	<E5FD04E9-4B7A-44DB-8E22-C8E6C8AEC5D3@wunderwood.org>
	<1a96d089-8d92-e4e3-a3ec-de117bcec706@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrMsB+m7SySTGdnWQ3fArvF=T8V_mgf2xPEfvPBjdq+n9g@mail.gmail.com>

Whoa, nice! Can you let the list know when it's available? I'd love to pick
up a copy.

On Fri, Mar 19, 2021, 19:22 Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:

> As it happens, Ward and I are putting the finishing touches on the
> second edition. The first one is very goodd, the second will be even better.

From n0nb at n0nb.us  Fri Mar 19 20:47:45 2021
From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 19:47:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] best grounding technique
In-Reply-To: <60551267.4000301@verizon.net>
References: <60551267.4000301.ref@verizon.net> <60551267.4000301@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20210320004745.w7hpredlxagzocjq@n0nb.us>

Home runs from each piece to the bus bar.

If mounting in a metal rack, bond each piece to the rack and then home runs
from each rack to the bus bar.

73, Nate, N0NB

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From Gary at ka1j.com  Fri Mar 19 21:48:51 2021
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 21:48:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Mailing list?
Message-ID: <60555483.13238.6E042D2C@Gary.ka1j.com>

Maybe I misunderstood so I should ask, is 
there a mailing list devoted to the K4? I 
looked on the Elecraft page but saw 
nothing about it.

Thanks & 73,

Gary
KA1J



From weaverwf at usermail.com  Fri Mar 19 22:24:56 2021
From: weaverwf at usermail.com (weaverwf at usermail.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 22:24:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Mailing list?
In-Reply-To: <60555483.13238.6E042D2C@Gary.ka1j.com>
References: <60555483.13238.6E042D2C@Gary.ka1j.com>
Message-ID: <70650BF9-D670-4127-9A6D-EA3B2075911E@usermail.com>

Yes, in groups.io.

73,
Bill WE5P

Comfortably Numb

> On Mar 19, 2021, at 21:49, Gary Smith <Gary at ka1j.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Maybe I misunderstood so I should ask, is 
> there a mailing list devoted to the K4? I 
> looked on the Elecraft page but saw 
> nothing about it.
> 
> Thanks & 73,
> 
> Gary
> KA1J
> 
> 
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Mar 19 22:34:16 2021
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 21:34:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 protection
Message-ID: <8b8a34be-dd06-e36b-c1a0-2a7c736131e7@blomand.net>

The KAT500? to KPA500 configuration as shown on page 5, Figure 1, in the 
KAT500 manual allows one to then use the the KAT500 Utility to set the? 
Default Amp Key Interrupt based on SWR value.? I find this method and 
configuration works very satisfactorily.

73

Bob, K4TAX



Message: 12
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 22:35:47 +0000
From: Andy Durbin<a.durbin at msn.com>
To:"elecraft at mailman.qth.net"  <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 protection
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"How does a LP100 protect against stupid errors?"

LP-100A is designed to open the key line when SWR exceeds a user defined threshold.  When I make a mistake it is often the first to trip.

73,
Andy, k3wyc



From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Mar 19 23:17:11 2021
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 22:17:11 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] best grounding technique
Message-ID: <7995910a-f260-dc8b-75e6-4d9f918c8bb4@blomand.net>

I suppose one should initially define "best" .??? I take the approach 
that the NEC code is to be followed under any and all conditions.

As to general station configuration I refer you to the work of Jim 
Brown, K9YC.? He has done extensive work and produced publications on 
the topic.??? He advocates the LINKING approach also known as daisy 
chain connection to a common ground point. With each ground conductor 
having a few milliohms of resistance, we find total resistance is the 
sum of the individual resistances.?? R total = R1 + R2? + R3 + ...........

I prefer to use the FAN approach or STAR ground system. The station 
power supply ground is the common point for each piece of station 
equipment to be connected with a dedicated ground conductor.? With each 
ground conductor connected to a common point we then find the total 
resistance is resistors in parallel.? R total = R1*R2/R1 + R2? or

R total = 1/ [(1/r1) +(1/r2) + (1/r3)]......... In this case the total R 
is less than that of the lowest value resistance present.

Just be sure all feed lines and rotor lines have lightning protection 
devices on each one and they are outside of the house. Any driven ground 
MUST be bonded to the AC Mains ground for the service.?? This is a 
requirement of the NEC.

73

Bob, K4TAX


Message: 15

Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 21:06:47 +0000

From: Robert G Strickland <rcrgs at verizon.net>

To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>

Subject: [Elecraft] best grounding technique

Message-ID: <60551267.4000301 at verizon.net>

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It seems that there are two ways of running grounding wires in the 
shack: FAN - from a common ground point, individual grounding wires are 
run to each piece of equipment; LINKING - a ground wire is run from each 
piece of equipment to the next and eventually ending in a common ground 
point. What's the group wisdom on the relative merits of these two 
approaches to running grounds in the shack? ...robert

-- Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY rcrgs at verizon.net.usa
Syracuse, New York, USA


From dave.jones at kiwiwanderer.org  Sat Mar 20 06:09:26 2021
From: dave.jones at kiwiwanderer.org (Dave Jones)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 20:09:26 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 tx low power on 80M SSB
Message-ID: <f38943b2-7369-1779-342f-c3cdfea6a38f@kiwiwanderer.org>

Hello all I wonder if anyone has come across this problem that I have with my 
KX2. After initial turn on or after changing bands to 80M the tx power output is 
2W if the power setting is 10W or above. If I keep talking into the mic (MH3) 
and pressing and releasing the PTT then the power will gradually increase to the 
correct level. If the power is set to any thing below 10W then the power output 
level is correct.

The CW power output on CW is not affected at all and if I enable the CW on SSB 
feature not only does that give the correct carrier power output but the SSB 
power level is also correct after a brief press on the key. Once this has been 
done the power output is correct until the radio is turned off and then back on 
or the band is changed to another band and then back to 80M.

80M is the only band affected, all other bands give the correct output. 
Hopefully someone is able to help me with this problem.

Thank you Dave VK4FD


From ndjedinak at gmail.com  Sat Mar 20 07:06:10 2021
From: ndjedinak at gmail.com (Nate Jedinak)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 07:06:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 tx low power on 80M SSB
In-Reply-To: <f38943b2-7369-1779-342f-c3cdfea6a38f@kiwiwanderer.org>
References: <f38943b2-7369-1779-342f-c3cdfea6a38f@kiwiwanderer.org>
Message-ID: <ED0221DF-2C36-4820-87DD-156C77119953@gmail.com>

Dave,

I have that exact problem with my KX2 on 10m.  See my recent thread here: https://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft at mailman.qth.net/msg247537.html

Elecraft support said that situation is indicative of a failure in the output stage, and my KX2 is currently back at elecraft for repair. I sent it back in early March.  I will update my reflector thread with the outcome of the repair, so watch this list for details. 

I never use 80 on that radio, so I?m not sure if the issue existed there, unfortunately. 

Nate W1NAT

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 20, 2021, at 6:10 AM, Dave Jones <dave.jones at kiwiwanderer.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Hello all I wonder if anyone has come across this problem that I have with my KX2. After initial turn on or after changing bands to 80M the tx power output is 2W if the power setting is 10W or above. If I keep talking into the mic (MH3) and pressing and releasing the PTT then the power will gradually increase to the correct level. If the power is set to any thing below 10W then the power output level is correct.
> 
> The CW power output on CW is not affected at all and if I enable the CW on SSB feature not only does that give the correct carrier power output but the SSB power level is also correct after a brief press on the key. Once this has been done the power output is correct until the radio is turned off and then back on or the band is changed to another band and then back to 80M.
> 
> 80M is the only band affected, all other bands give the correct output. Hopefully someone is able to help me with this problem.
> 
> Thank you Dave VK4FD
> 
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From mikekopacki at gmail.com  Sat Mar 20 09:33:25 2021
From: mikekopacki at gmail.com (NJMike)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 06:33:25 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 not displaying correctly
Message-ID: <1616247205443-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Let me first say that I am new to using a panadapter....However, it has
worked fine since I got it a month ago.  But now it doesn't seem to reflect
what I am hearing on the K3S (which I got at the same time).

I am listening to an S9+ CW signal on 80m but do not see the signal on the
P3.  I believe that I have seen signals a lot weaker than this one in the
last month...

Also, I do not see any of the normal noise along the bottom of the spectrum
display on any band, except 10m.  I find this weird because, on 15m the
noise level is higher but there is no noise displayed on the P3.  But when I
switch to 10m, which is noticeable quieter, I can see the noise across the
bottom.

I have made no changes to wiring or connections.

Thanks,
Mike NJ2OM



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From w4jz at bellsouth.net  Sat Mar 20 10:13:53 2021
From: w4jz at bellsouth.net (Reed Fite)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 14:13:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 tx low power on 80M SSB
References: <764002816.3257988.1616249633585.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <764002816.3257988.1616249633585@mail.yahoo.com>

Dave, try doing the Calibrate Transmit Gain that is in the Utility under Calibration. I had that exact problem in the 80 & 10 meter band. Tech at Elecraft told me to do this. That fixed the problem.? I had to do this several times & found it worked better on a old dummy load than it did on one I built from Elecraft.? ?The old one was not exactly 1:1 on the 80 & 10 meter band. Don't know why that made any difference, but it did.?
73,Reed? W4JZ



From pvandyke1953 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 20 11:42:01 2021
From: pvandyke1953 at gmail.com (Paul Van Dyke)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 11:42:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft 80 Meter Net ... 01:00 utc Sunday Night/Mon
	Morning
Message-ID: <CAEPKcUmydJTZDSYnNK9qThS2pTg3y7TDwV84SZBszrCiBbqn8g@mail.gmail.com>

We will do our weekly crap shoot and Try for 3.815 as I never know the mood
or how the band is populated at that hour
Keep Smiling

Paul - KB9AVO
80 Meter Net Control

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sat Mar 20 11:57:27 2021
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 08:57:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] best grounding technique
In-Reply-To: <03704d4a-1d8f-9466-f592-045300f4cab0@gmail.com>
References: <60551267.4000301.ref@verizon.net> <60551267.4000301@verizon.net>
	<03704d4a-1d8f-9466-f592-045300f4cab0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44622387-ebe6-7232-53cc-a53e60881cdf@triconet.org>

Interesting.? I don't have (and probably won't buy) the book, but here we have a 
disconnect---no pun intended.

If Rick's comment is accurate, and I have no reason to think otherwise, then 
what it states is in direct conflict with what one co-author (K9YC) has preached 
for years, that each box should connect to the next and there is only one 
connected to the ground system.? He even calls it madness to use individual 
connections to a common ground bus.

This pretty much sums up why I'm not in the market for the book.

Wes? N7WS


On 3/19/2021 2:44 PM, Rick NK7I wrote:
> The ARRL book on Grounding and Bonding is very clear.? Each piece of gear has 
> its OWN wire/strap to a common grounding point (a copper pipe mounted on a 
> wall is a common method, that being connected to the system ground; everything 
> to the building safety ground, more ground rods every 2x the depth of the rod).
>
> Look at it this way, say a discharge comes in through your antenna, into the 
> radio, connected to your computer and other devices.? Would you prefer that 
> energy goes only through the radio to ground (losing the radio) or in a series 
> through everything else in the shack too?? The 'fan' mode you mention is 
> preferred, give that energy EVERY chance to seek ground BEFORE it passes 
> through your gear.
>
> Energy shunts (PolyPhase devises for example) at the antenna entry point are 
> another must.? One per feed.
>
> I suggest reading that book, several times (it's complex) for a better 
> understanding.
>
> 73,
> Rick NK7I
>
> On 3/19/2021 2:06 PM, Robert G Strickland via Elecraft wrote:
>> It seems that there are two ways of running grounding wires in the shack: FAN 
>> - from a common ground point, individual grounding wires are run to each 
>> piece of equipment; LINKING - a ground wire is run from each piece of 
>> equipment to the next and eventually ending in a common ground point. What's 
>> the group wisdom on the relative merits of these two approaches to running 
>> grounds in the shack?
>> ...robert


From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sat Mar 20 12:11:57 2021
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 18:11:57 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] best grounding technique
In-Reply-To: <44622387-ebe6-7232-53cc-a53e60881cdf@triconet.org>
References: <60551267.4000301.ref@verizon.net> <60551267.4000301@verizon.net>
	<03704d4a-1d8f-9466-f592-045300f4cab0@gmail.com>
	<44622387-ebe6-7232-53cc-a53e60881cdf@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <2bd943c9-6513-50a2-0ff8-e990994bb843@gmail.com>

Having a bus that runs the length of an operating desk with all the 
equipment connected to it by short straps is not that different from 
bonding each piece of equipment to the ones next to it. But it allows 
you to remove one unit without breaking the "chain."
This is contrasted to the "star" system, in which each piece of 
equipment is grounded to a central point with a relatively long ground lead.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
CWops #5
Formerly K2VCO
https://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
On 20/03/2021 17:57, Wes wrote:
> Interesting.? I don't have (and probably won't buy) the book, but here 
> we have a disconnect---no pun intended.
> 
> If Rick's comment is accurate, and I have no reason to think otherwise, 
> then what it states is in direct conflict with what one co-author (K9YC) 
> has preached for years, that each box should connect to the next and 
> there is only one connected to the ground system.? He even calls it 
> madness to use individual connections to a common ground bus.
> 
> This pretty much sums up why I'm not in the market for the book.
> 
> Wes? N7WS
> 
> 
> On 3/19/2021 2:44 PM, Rick NK7I wrote:
>> The ARRL book on Grounding and Bonding is very clear.? Each piece of 
>> gear has its OWN wire/strap to a common grounding point (a copper pipe 
>> mounted on a wall is a common method, that being connected to the 
>> system ground; everything to the building safety ground, more ground 
>> rods every 2x the depth of the rod).
>>
>> Look at it this way, say a discharge comes in through your antenna, 
>> into the radio, connected to your computer and other devices.? Would 
>> you prefer that energy goes only through the radio to ground (losing 
>> the radio) or in a series through everything else in the shack too?  
>> The 'fan' mode you mention is preferred, give that energy EVERY chance 
>> to seek ground BEFORE it passes through your gear.
>>
>> Energy shunts (PolyPhase devises for example) at the antenna entry 
>> point are another must.? One per feed.
>>
>> I suggest reading that book, several times (it's complex) for a better 
>> understanding.
>>
>> 73,
>> Rick NK7I
>>
>> On 3/19/2021 2:06 PM, Robert G Strickland via Elecraft wrote:
>>> It seems that there are two ways of running grounding wires in the 
>>> shack: FAN - from a common ground point, individual grounding wires 
>>> are run to each piece of equipment; LINKING - a ground wire is run 
>>> from each piece of equipment to the next and eventually ending in a 
>>> common ground point. What's the group wisdom on the relative merits 
>>> of these two approaches to running grounds in the shack?
>>> ...robert

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Mar 20 14:22:56 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 11:22:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] best grounding technique
In-Reply-To: <44622387-ebe6-7232-53cc-a53e60881cdf@triconet.org>
References: <60551267.4000301.ref@verizon.net> <60551267.4000301@verizon.net>
	<03704d4a-1d8f-9466-f592-045300f4cab0@gmail.com>
	<44622387-ebe6-7232-53cc-a53e60881cdf@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <4909f190-d52a-4f03-349b-10a5e6654d38@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 3/20/2021 8:57 AM, Wes wrote:
> If Rick's comment is accurate, and I have no reason to think otherwise, 
> then what it states is in direct conflict with what one co-author (K9YC) 
> has preached for years, that each box should connect to the next and 
> there is only one connected to the ground system.? He even calls it 
> madness to use individual connections to a common ground bus.

Ward's text on this topic does, include my recommendations for 
"daisy-chain" bonding of interconnected equipment, but also downgrades 
it in favor of a star WITHIN THE STATION, and with an emphasis on 
keeping bonding connections short. He includes a photo I provided of 
W6GJB's neatly packaged station for his contesting trailer, showing a 
copper pape bonding bus just behind the equipment, with bonding 
conductors to it from each piece of gear. The emphasis is on keeping 
bonding conductors very short, both to minimize power line buzz and 
potential differences between equipment in a lightning event. He shows 
how an Al sheet laid on top of the operating desk can serve as both a 
bonding plane and minimize induction onto cables laid on it. And he has 
incorporated my advice that the loop area of interconnecting cables and 
bonding cables should be minimized to prevent magnetic coupling by 
bundling or lacing them together.

There's also very good text on proper shield connections (the Pin One 
Problem), bypassing of unshielded conductors at penetrations of 
enclosures. There's material on the use of ferrite chokes to prevent RF 
in the shack, how to deal with end-fed antennas with a feedpoint in the 
shack, and lots of other good stuff.

Another goal, covered in the last chapter which is not yet done, is to 
address second floor shacks. Outside the shack, there's very good 
discussion of towers, bonding of the entire premises, ground rods, 
connection methods, and so on. Everything conforms to NEC and good 
engineering practice.

73, Jim K9YC

From pe1hzg at xs4all.nl  Sat Mar 20 19:42:21 2021
From: pe1hzg at xs4all.nl (Geert Jan de Groot)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 00:42:21 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Diode 95SQ015 end-of-life (K2 D10)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.4278.1616204944.3572.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.4278.1616204944.3572.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <64820872-bc97-42d8-a9ba-df475a399d82@xs4all.nl>

The high-current low-drop diode 95SQ015, used in the K2 (it replaced 
D10, SB530, because of it's favorable voltage drop) seems to be out of 
production and out of stock in the likes of Mouser, Digikey and 
Farnell/Newark.

I hoped the component was just replaced by a SMD version but that 
doesn't seem to be the case. From what I can see, low-drop diodes exist 
but not with the current ratings that the 95SQ015 has.

Has anyone found a replacement?

Geert Jan

From bruce.forsberg at gmail.com  Sun Mar 21 02:52:04 2021
From: bruce.forsberg at gmail.com (Bruce Forsberg)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 23:52:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Diode 95SQ015 end-of-life (K2 D10)
In-Reply-To: <64820872-bc97-42d8-a9ba-df475a399d82@xs4all.nl>
References: <mailman.4278.1616204944.3572.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<64820872-bc97-42d8-a9ba-df475a399d82@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <CAO6iX8ZCP2teKTJ4keXBi4bQa52bKAQoMDgxWDgqzVvQzEs8rg@mail.gmail.com>

Just completed building a K2 kit. They had an SR1503 diode for D10 on the
RF board.

Bruce, WB6IZG

On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 4:43 PM Geert Jan de Groot <pe1hzg at xs4all.nl> wrote:

> The high-current low-drop diode 95SQ015, used in the K2 (it replaced
> D10, SB530, because of it's favorable voltage drop) seems to be out of
> production and out of stock in the likes of Mouser, Digikey and
> Farnell/Newark.
>
> I hoped the component was just replaced by a SMD version but that
> doesn't seem to be the case. From what I can see, low-drop diodes exist
> but not with the current ratings that the 95SQ015 has.
>
> Has anyone found a replacement?
>
> Geert Jan
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From hsherriff at reagan.com  Sat Mar 20 21:12:05 2021
From: hsherriff at reagan.com (Harlan Sherriff)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 21:12:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Diode 95SQ015 end-of-life (K2 D10)
In-Reply-To: <CAO6iX8ZCP2teKTJ4keXBi4bQa52bKAQoMDgxWDgqzVvQzEs8rg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO6iX8ZCP2teKTJ4keXBi4bQa52bKAQoMDgxWDgqzVvQzEs8rg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3A6A15C2-85D0-4DDC-912F-88E14EE86A58@reagan.com>

https://www.solidstateinc.com/product/95sq015/
Has 133 in stock

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 20, 2021, at 7:54 PM, Bruce Forsberg <bruce.forsberg at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Just completed building a K2 kit. They had an SR1503 diode for D10 on the
> RF board.
> 
> Bruce, WB6IZG
> 
>> On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 4:43 PM Geert Jan de Groot <pe1hzg at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> 
>> The high-current low-drop diode 95SQ015, used in the K2 (it replaced
>> D10, SB530, because of it's favorable voltage drop) seems to be out of
>> production and out of stock in the likes of Mouser, Digikey and
>> Farnell/Newark.
>> 
>> I hoped the component was just replaced by a SMD version but that
>> doesn't seem to be the case. From what I can see, low-drop diodes exist
>> but not with the current ratings that the 95SQ015 has.
>> 
>> Has anyone found a replacement?
>> 
>> Geert Jan
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From w5mikejuliet at gmail.com  Sat Mar 20 21:23:14 2021
From: w5mikejuliet at gmail.com (Madison Jones)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 20:23:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FS K2
Message-ID: <CAGf0DjvsOyXDSBGzcwc5R32=a2SXWjqoVaaicxr5J-Ce93sTjQ@mail.gmail.com>

FS: K2 s/n 7795. This is the basic model, 15W only, no additions, just the
base radio. Just back from Elecraft K2 Support for alignment and testing so
it works perfectly. Electronically and aesthetically a perfect 10. This is
a conversion from a Rev A kit to Rev B but brand new. New unbuilt kits are
$869.95. Yours for $800 delivered to lower 48 states.

Madison
W5MJ

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sat Mar 20 21:54:00 2021
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 18:54:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Diode 95SQ015 end-of-life (K2 D10)
In-Reply-To: <3A6A15C2-85D0-4DDC-912F-88E14EE86A58@reagan.com>
References: <3A6A15C2-85D0-4DDC-912F-88E14EE86A58@reagan.com>
Message-ID: <376701AC-B2E4-454D-B7A3-5D4A41B3509A@elecraft.com>

The difference in forward voltage drop between the 95SQ015 vs. the SR1503 under transmit load current is only about 0.15 V. Probably not worth the trouble to substitute the former. 

Wayne
N6KR

----
elecraft.com

> On Mar 20, 2021, at 6:14 PM, Harlan Sherriff via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?https://www.solidstateinc.com/product/95sq015/
> Has 133 in stock
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 20, 2021, at 7:54 PM, Bruce Forsberg <bruce.forsberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Just completed building a K2 kit. They had an SR1503 diode for D10 on the
>> RF board.
>> 
>> Bruce, WB6IZG
>> 
>>>> On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 4:43 PM Geert Jan de Groot <pe1hzg at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The high-current low-drop diode 95SQ015, used in the K2 (it replaced
>>> D10, SB530, because of it's favorable voltage drop) seems to be out of
>>> production and out of stock in the likes of Mouser, Digikey and
>>> Farnell/Newark.
>>> 
>>> I hoped the component was just replaced by a SMD version but that
>>> doesn't seem to be the case. From what I can see, low-drop diodes exist
>>> but not with the current ratings that the 95SQ015 has.
>>> 
>>> Has anyone found a replacement?
>>> 
>>> Geert Jan
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>>> 
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>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>> Message delivered to bruce.forsberg at gmail.com
>>> 
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From k2asp at kanafi.org  Sat Mar 20 23:05:31 2021
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 20:05:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] best grounding technique
In-Reply-To: <20210320004745.w7hpredlxagzocjq@n0nb.us>
References: <60551267.4000301.ref@verizon.net> <60551267.4000301@verizon.net>
	<20210320004745.w7hpredlxagzocjq@n0nb.us>
Message-ID: <aafb9f42-7fc1-618e-ccdc-1a3f70f053fd@kanafi.org>

On 3/19/2021 5:47 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:

> Home runs from each piece to the bus bar.
> 
> If mounting in a metal rack, bond each piece to the rack and then home runs
> from each rack to the bus bar.

Commercial communication site practice is to have a "halo" - 
large-diameter wire or bus bar - all around the walls and tie each rack, 
stand-alone box, conduit, cable ladder, etc. to the "halo".  This is 
then connected to a similar grounding system buried around the perimeter 
of the building tied to ground rods per code.  Sounds tedious but that's 
what keeps the facility safe.

With thanks to my late colleague, Tom Croda, the recognized national 
expert in the field of comm site power and grounding, who came to work 
for my firm after retiring from Sprint and proceeded to teach us the 
right way to do those things.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon


From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Mar 21 00:14:28 2021
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 21:14:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <e7d0de78-41df-e954-2281-7cfddb6c5693@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? It was a soggy, gray week.? The hummingbirds returned after a three 
week absence.? They told me exactly where the feeder should be located.? 
Today the sky cleared for an hour.? Long enough to see the moon.? The 
snout and fore-paws of the rabbit on the moon were showing.? Then back 
to fog.

 ?? The sun is shooting streams of ions at us.? I expect the bands to 
sound like hard, fine snow blowing on corn snow.? Yes, there should be 
over a dozen different words for snow.? A small sunspot is showing.? The 
auroral oval has increased since yesterday. Solar flux remains low, near 
the bottom-most reading of the recent doldrums.? Luckily the sun is 
shining longer in the Northern hemisphere, charging the ionosphere just 
a little longer each day.? Even soggy Oregon weather cannot stop that.


Please join us on (or near):

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 ? 7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

 ?? 73,
 ????? Kevin. KD5ONS


-







B - None that I more love than myself. You are a
counsellor; if you can command these elements to
silence, and work the peace of the present, we will
not hand a rope more; use your authority: if you
cannot, give thanks you have lived so long, and make
yourself ready in your cabin for the mischance of
the hour, if it so hap. Cheerly, good hearts! Out
of our way, I say.

Exit

G - I have great comfort from this fellow: methinks he
hath no drowning mark upon him; his complexion is
perfect gallows. Stand fast, good Fate, to his
hanging: make the rope of his destiny our cable,
for our own doth little advantage. If he be not
born to be hanged, our case is miserable.

Exeunt




From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Mar 21 04:58:05 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 01:58:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] best grounding technique
In-Reply-To: <aafb9f42-7fc1-618e-ccdc-1a3f70f053fd@kanafi.org>
References: <60551267.4000301.ref@verizon.net> <60551267.4000301@verizon.net>
	<20210320004745.w7hpredlxagzocjq@n0nb.us>
	<aafb9f42-7fc1-618e-ccdc-1a3f70f053fd@kanafi.org>
Message-ID: <53b04510-ef4c-1abe-4c95-7001df8be9b1@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 3/20/2021 8:05 PM, Phil Kane wrote:
> Commercial communication site practice

Note that commercial communications is VHF/UHF, with vertical antennas 
at the top of towers, often on mountaintops. Our antenna systems and 
site locations are often rather different. Take these differences into 
account when applying them to our stations, which may be VERY different. 
Their antennas, for example, are all vertical sticks on a tower.

I had the experience of setting up a ham station at a decommissioned 
AT&T Long Lines microwave site on a 3,000 ft peak with a 140 ft tower 
(36 ft square at the base, 24 ft square at the top), and studied their 
grounding. VERY different application, VERY different budget. They spent 
$1Meg on the road to the site. Walls were 14-in thick, and removable to 
allow the installation of equipment. Grounding was textbook for THEIR 
system, which was all microwave dishes.

73, Jim K9YC

From dave at nk7z.net  Sun Mar 21 08:19:22 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 05:19:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 for sale
Message-ID: <cf85e266-58c2-50b5-b184-248c30963d59@nk7z.net>

Hi,

Someone had a K3 for sale here recently, could you contact me off list 
please.

-- 
73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)


From elanzl at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar 21 12:01:52 2021
From: elanzl at sbcglobal.net (Eric Lanzl)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:01:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Net for March 7, 2021
References: <979324557.2667911.1616342512820.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <979324557.2667911.1616342512820@mail.yahoo.com>

Here is the list of stations checking in to the March 7, 2021 SSB Net. Again thanks to all the relay stationsEric WB9JNZ

Call????????? Name??? State????? Radio??? Serial #? QRP???????????????????????????? Notes

WB9JNZ????? Eric?????????? IL????????????? K3???????????? 4017????????? ???????????????????????????????????? NetControl

NC0JW??????? Jim??????????? CO??????????? KX3????????? 1356????????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

K8NU????????? Carl?????????? OH??????????? Yaesu??????? FT 1010DX? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? 

WM6P????????? Steve???????? GA??????????? K3S?????????? 11453??????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

K7BRR??????? Bill??????????? AZ??????????? Yaesu??????? FTDX 101MP???????????????????????????????????????????????? ??? 

KO5V????????? Jim??????????? NM?????????? K2/100????? 7225????????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

W5SV????????? Dave???????? TX??????????? K3???????????? 5354????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

N7BDL??????? Terry???????? AZ??????????? K3S?????????? 10373??????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

W1NGA?????? Al????????????? CO??????????? Flex?????????? 6400M????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

NS7P??????????? Phil??????????? OR??????????? K3???????????? 1826????????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

W7QHD?????? Kurt?????????? AZ??????????? K2/100????? 1538????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

KD6RC??????? Jeff?????????? CA??????????? Flex?????????? 6600????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K6VWE?????? Stan?????????? MI???????????? K3???????????? 650??????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

KE7HGE????? Ken?????????? WA?????????? KX3/QRP? 4540????????? QRP????????????????????????????? 

N4NRW?????? Roger??????? SC???????????? K3???????????? 1318????????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

K2VJK???????? Vern????????? NY??????????? K3???????????? 6995????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K6FW????????? Frank???????? CA??????????? K3S?????????? 11672??????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K6SBA???????? David??????? CA??????????? K3???????????? 565??????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

N0MPM?????? Mike????????? IA???????????? K3S?????????? 10514??????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

N7YW????????? Ken?????????? AZ??????????? K3???????????? 8183????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

N9SRA???????? Steve???????? IL????????????? Icom???????? 7600????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

ZL1PWD????? Peter????????? NZ??????????? K3???????????? 139??????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

WW4JF??????? John????????? TN??????????? K3S?????????? 11177??????? ???????????????????????????????????? 
? WN8A?????? Jim????? ? ? MI?????? ? ? K3?????????? 3480??? ??????????? 

From elanzl at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar 21 12:10:13 2021
From: elanzl at sbcglobal.net (Eric Lanzl)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:10:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Net Marich 14, 2021
References: <1736944592.2669195.1616343013782.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1736944592.2669195.1616343013782@mail.yahoo.com>

Here is the list of stations checking in to the Sunday March, 14, 2021 SSB Net. Thank you to the net control stations to better hear stations around the country and beyond. 
Please join us for the Elecraft SSB Nets and zoom meetings everyone is welcome regardless of type of radio:
Sundays: 20 m net 1800Z? 14.303.5 or 14.310 alternate frequency Net control WB9JNZ? Eric
?????????????? 40 m net 1900Z??? 7.280? Net Control WM6P Steve
?????????????? Zoom meeting 2000Z contact K8NU for the link? Carl?????????????? 80 m net? 0100Z?? 3.817 though the frequency varies due to use up to? about 3.835

Call????????? Name??? State????? Radio??? Serial # QRP???????????????????????????? Notes

WB9JNZ????? Eric?????????? IL????????????? K3???????????? 4017???????? ???????????????????????????????????? NetControl

KO5V????????? Jim??????????? NM?????????? K2/100????? 7225???????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

NC0JW??????? Jim??????????? CO??????????? KX3????????? 1356???????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

K8NU????????? Carl?????????? OH??????????? YaesuFT?? 101DX????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

KB9AVO???? Paul?????????? IN???????????? K4???????????? 76???????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

WM6P????????? Steve???????? GA??????????? K3S?????????? 11453?????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

KX9U????????? Ken?????????? IN???????????? KX3????????? 1179???????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

N4NRW?????? Roger??????? SC???????????? K3???????????? 1318???????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

NK9A????????? Stan?????????? MI???????????? Yaesu??????? 757?????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

NS7P??????????? Phil??????????? OR??????????? K3???????????? 1826???????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K1NW????????? Brian???????? RI????????????? K3???????????? 4974???????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

W1NGA?????? Al????????????? CO??????????? Flex?????????? 6400M????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K7BRR??????? Bill??????????? AZ??????????? YaesuFT?? DX 101???? ???????????????????????????????????? 

N7BDL??????? Terry???????? AZ??????????? K3S?????????? 10373?????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

KE7HGE????? Ken?????????? WA?????????? KX3/QRP? 4540???????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

NO7GX??????? Greg????????? FL???????????? Kenwood?? 940s????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

W4DML?????? Doug???????? TN??????????? K3???????????? 6433???????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

AE6JV???????? Bill??????????? NH??????????? K3???????????? 6299???????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

N0MPM?????? Mike????????? IA???????????? K3S?????????? 10514?????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K6SBA???????? David??????? CA??????????? KX3????????? 6256???????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

KD0VNQ???? Gary????????? CO??????????? Kenwood?? 890?????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

KC9YDC???? Eric?????????? IL????????????? Icom????????? 7300???????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

NX1P?????????? Paula???????? OR??????????? K3???????????? 4470???????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

K7JG??????????? John????????? WA?????????? KX3????????? 3519???????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K0JFJ?????????? Nick????????? AZ??????????? K2???????????? 7937???????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K2VJK???????? Vern????????? NY??????????? K3???????????? 6995???????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

AB7CE???????? Roy?????????? MT??????????? K2/100????? 40???????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

W0AYE?????? Ben?????????? MN?????????? Yaesu??????? 891?????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

VE3RH??????? Ine???????????? ONT????????? Kenwood?? 590SG?????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

WN8A????????? Jim??????????? MI???????????? K3???????????? 3480???????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

KJ7TAT?????? Les??????????? OR??????????? Yaesu??????? 991?????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

From jackrenick58 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 21 12:20:33 2021
From: jackrenick58 at gmail.com (jack rencik)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:20:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Remove me please
Message-ID: <16A0B40A-8F48-42FD-9098-CD077AE2C8C3@gmail.com>

Please remove me from this email list

Sent from my iPhone

From julia at juliatuttle.net  Sun Mar 21 12:36:52 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:36:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Remove me please
In-Reply-To: <16A0B40A-8F48-42FD-9098-CD077AE2C8C3@gmail.com>
References: <16A0B40A-8F48-42FD-9098-CD077AE2C8C3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrN==uhRwZj6takT209sujv0C6zA=---dq6989Ff8vh1pw@mail.gmail.com>

We can't, but you can do it yourself here:

http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft

Happy to help if that's confusing -- shoot me an email off list.

73,

Julie

On Sun, Mar 21, 2021, 12:22 jack rencik <jackrenick58 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Please remove me from this email list
>
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From k2asp at kanafi.org  Sun Mar 21 13:02:09 2021
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:02:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] best grounding technique
In-Reply-To: <53b04510-ef4c-1abe-4c95-7001df8be9b1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <60551267.4000301.ref@verizon.net> <60551267.4000301@verizon.net>
	<20210320004745.w7hpredlxagzocjq@n0nb.us>
	<aafb9f42-7fc1-618e-ccdc-1a3f70f053fd@kanafi.org>
	<53b04510-ef4c-1abe-4c95-7001df8be9b1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <ca5e07cc-098e-a73e-872e-2df4fd303d73@kanafi.org>

On 3/21/2021 1:58 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

> Note that commercial communications is VHF/UHF, with vertical antennas 
> at the top of towers, often on mountaintops. Our antenna systems and 
> site locations are often rather different. Take these differences into 
> account when applying them to our stations, which may be VERY different. 
> Their antennas, for example, are all vertical sticks on a tower.

Point well taken. and the vast majority of our LMR clients' sites are a 
mixture of vertical antennas, corner reflectors, small yagis, and 
microwave dishes.  The cost of the ground system is a fraction of the 
costs of the infrastructure and equipment including labor.

As hams, we do what we can..... especially those of us who live in areas 
where it's rare to get lightning more than once a year if that much.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon


From cw0009 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 21 15:37:46 2021
From: cw0009 at gmail.com (cp0004)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:37:46 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 Wanted
Message-ID: <1616355466631-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Anyone have a KX1 they would like to sell?

73
Cameron
KI4JDD



--
Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/

From w5sv.dave at gmail.com  Sun Mar 21 15:39:34 2021
From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:39:34 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 frequency entry
Message-ID: <86eef2b4-b213-771c-d0e9-51ac9bcf15fc@gmail.com>

I try to enter the elecraft net 20m frequency directly; I push the FREQ 
ENT button, then 14.303500 and it only accepts 14.303; if I try 14.303.5 
it does the same thing.

Am I trying it wrong, or is it just not possible, or do I have something 
set wrong?

Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV


From w5sv.dave at gmail.com  Sun Mar 21 15:43:54 2021
From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:43:54 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Direct frequency entry on K3
Message-ID: <5c5361d9-1030-ccf7-70e0-f4eb2173f7ab@gmail.com>

I try to enter the Elecraft net 20m frequency directly; I push the FREQ 
ENT button, then 14.303500 and it only accepts 14.303; if I try 14.303.5 
it does the same thing.

Am I trying it wrong, or is it just not possible, or do I have something 
set wrong?

Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV


From julia at juliatuttle.net  Sun Mar 21 15:50:36 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:50:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 frequency entry
In-Reply-To: <86eef2b4-b213-771c-d0e9-51ac9bcf15fc@gmail.com>
References: <86eef2b4-b213-771c-d0e9-51ac9bcf15fc@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrMU1DA3axkotj+ubQwsmV6dy=p9RQFffYEk_2-PA_W1Ug@mail.gmail.com>

I've never been able to enter frequencies more specifically than 1 kHz,
myself.

On Sun, Mar 21, 2021, 15:41 David F. Reed <w5sv.dave at gmail.com> wrote:

> I try to enter the elecraft net 20m frequency directly; I push the FREQ
> ENT button, then 14.303500 and it only accepts 14.303; if I try 14.303.5
> it does the same thing.
>
> Am I trying it wrong, or is it just not possible, or do I have something
> set wrong?
>
> Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV
>
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sun Mar 21 16:27:41 2021
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:27:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] best grounding technique
Message-ID: <ae8d20f4-ba0d-c4d8-cbfc-250dc3d4b4f6@blomand.net>

If one is grounding on the inside for lightning, you best think 
otherwise!??? Any and all grounding for lightning should be done outside 
of the structure.? You should have lightning protection devices on all 
coax, balanced, and rotor lines installed BEFORE they enter the structure.

Internal grounding or bonding is to keep all equipment at the same 
potential.

73

Bob, K4TAX


Message: 10
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 18:11:57 +0200
From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP<k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
To:elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] best grounding technique
Message-ID:<2bd943c9-6513-50a2-0ff8-e990994bb843 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Having a bus that runs the length of an operating desk with all the
equipment connected to it by short straps is not that different from
bonding each piece of equipment to the ones next to it. But it allows
you to remove one unit without breaking the "chain."
This is contrasted to the "star" system, in which each piece of
equipment is grounded to a central point with a relatively long ground lead.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
CWops #5
Formerly K2VCO
https://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
On 20/03/2021 17:57, Wes wrote:

> Interesting.? I don't have (and probably won't buy) the book, but here
> we have a disconnect---no pun intended.
>
> If Rick's comment is accurate, and I have no reason to think otherwise,
> then what it states is in direct conflict with what one co-author (K9YC)
> has preached for years, that each box should connect to the next and
> there is only one connected to the ground system.? He even calls it
> madness to use individual connections to a common ground bus.
>
> This pretty much sums up why I'm not in the market for the book.
>
> Wes? N7WS
>
>
> On 3/19/2021 2:44 PM, Rick NK7I wrote:
>> The ARRL book on Grounding and Bonding is very clear.? Each piece of
>> gear has its OWN wire/strap to a common grounding point (a copper pipe
>> mounted on a wall is a common method, that being connected to the
>> system ground; everything to the building safety ground, more ground
>> rods every 2x the depth of the rod).
>>
>> Look at it this way, say a discharge comes in through your antenna,
>> into the radio, connected to your computer and other devices.? Would
>> you prefer that energy goes only through the radio to ground (losing
>> the radio) or in a series through everything else in the shack too?
>> The 'fan' mode you mention is preferred, give that energy EVERY chance
>> to seek ground BEFORE it passes through your gear.
>>
>> Energy shunts (PolyPhase devises for example) at the antenna entry
>> point are another must.? One per feed.
>>
>> I suggest reading that book, several times (it's complex) for a better
>> understanding.
>>
>> 73,
>> Rick NK7I
>>
>> On 3/19/2021 2:06 PM, Robert G Strickland via Elecraft wrote:
>>> It seems that there are two ways of running grounding wires in the
>>> shack: FAN - from a common ground point, individual grounding wires
>>> are run to each piece of equipment; LINKING - a ground wire is run
>>> from each piece of equipment to the next and eventually ending in a
>>> common ground point. What's the group wisdom on the relative merits
>>> of these two approaches to running grounds in the shack?
>>> ...robert


From radiomemory at gmail.com  Sun Mar 21 16:48:09 2021
From: radiomemory at gmail.com (Gary Memory)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:48:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] best grounding technique
In-Reply-To: <ae8d20f4-ba0d-c4d8-cbfc-250dc3d4b4f6@blomand.net>
References: <ae8d20f4-ba0d-c4d8-cbfc-250dc3d4b4f6@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <CAPoA2FXRV7dU3YsJpru9Yp6aKhQuHw5tKtD1oBABZZvoSfc+cA@mail.gmail.com>

Many years ago I contracted with Motorola for a large repeater
communications system/building to be located at an existing tower facility
that was already called home to dozens of other radio systems.  The
Motorola R-56 standard was the 'bible' they quoted from and used.  I have
personally used that same method many times since then.  It works for me.
Your mileage may vary.

Gary, N7BRJ


On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 4:28 PM Bob McGraw <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:

> If one is grounding on the inside for lightning, you best think
> otherwise!    Any and all grounding for lightning should be done outside
> of the structure.  You should have lightning protection devices on all
> coax, balanced, and rotor lines installed BEFORE they enter the structure.
>
> Internal grounding or bonding is to keep all equipment at the same
> potential.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 18:11:57 +0200
> From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP<k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
> To:elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] best grounding technique
> Message-ID:<2bd943c9-6513-50a2-0ff8-e990994bb843 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Having a bus that runs the length of an operating desk with all the
> equipment connected to it by short straps is not that different from
> bonding each piece of equipment to the ones next to it. But it allows
> you to remove one unit without breaking the "chain."
> This is contrasted to the "star" system, in which each piece of
> equipment is grounded to a central point with a relatively long ground
> lead.
>
> 73,
> Victor, 4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> CWops #5
> Formerly K2VCO
> https://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
> On 20/03/2021 17:57, Wes wrote:
>
> > Interesting.? I don't have (and probably won't buy) the book, but here
> > we have a disconnect---no pun intended.
> >
> > If Rick's comment is accurate, and I have no reason to think otherwise,
> > then what it states is in direct conflict with what one co-author (K9YC)
> > has preached for years, that each box should connect to the next and
> > there is only one connected to the ground system.? He even calls it
> > madness to use individual connections to a common ground bus.
> >
> > This pretty much sums up why I'm not in the market for the book.
> >
> > Wes? N7WS
> >
> >
> > On 3/19/2021 2:44 PM, Rick NK7I wrote:
> >> The ARRL book on Grounding and Bonding is very clear.? Each piece of
> >> gear has its OWN wire/strap to a common grounding point (a copper pipe
> >> mounted on a wall is a common method, that being connected to the
> >> system ground; everything to the building safety ground, more ground
> >> rods every 2x the depth of the rod).
> >>
> >> Look at it this way, say a discharge comes in through your antenna,
> >> into the radio, connected to your computer and other devices.? Would
> >> you prefer that energy goes only through the radio to ground (losing
> >> the radio) or in a series through everything else in the shack too?
> >> The 'fan' mode you mention is preferred, give that energy EVERY chance
> >> to seek ground BEFORE it passes through your gear.
> >>
> >> Energy shunts (PolyPhase devises for example) at the antenna entry
> >> point are another must.? One per feed.
> >>
> >> I suggest reading that book, several times (it's complex) for a better
> >> understanding.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Rick NK7I
> >>
> >> On 3/19/2021 2:06 PM, Robert G Strickland via Elecraft wrote:
> >>> It seems that there are two ways of running grounding wires in the
> >>> shack: FAN - from a common ground point, individual grounding wires
> >>> are run to each piece of equipment; LINKING - a ground wire is run
> >>> from each piece of equipment to the next and eventually ending in a
> >>> common ground point. What's the group wisdom on the relative merits
> >>> of these two approaches to running grounds in the shack?
> >>> ...robert
>
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From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Sun Mar 21 17:26:31 2021
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:26:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] best grounding technique
In-Reply-To: <ca5e07cc-098e-a73e-872e-2df4fd303d73@kanafi.org>
References: <60551267.4000301.ref@verizon.net>
	<60551267.4000301@verizon.net>	<20210320004745.w7hpredlxagzocjq@n0nb.us>	<aafb9f42-7fc1-618e-ccdc-1a3f70f053fd@kanafi.org>	<53b04510-ef4c-1abe-4c95-7001df8be9b1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<ca5e07cc-098e-a73e-872e-2df4fd303d73@kanafi.org>
Message-ID: <026f01d71e98$dcfa6a60$96ef3f20$@LNAINC.com>

"As hams, we do what we can..... especially those of us who live in areas 
where it's rare to get lightning more than once a year if that much."

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

*************************************************
Which prompted me to find out where those areas are:

https://geology.com/articles/lightning-map.shtml


73
Lyn, W0LEN

 


From buddy at brannan.name  Sun Mar 21 18:13:08 2021
From: buddy at brannan.name (Buddy Brannan)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 18:13:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 frequency entry
In-Reply-To: <CAEVEBrMU1DA3axkotj+ubQwsmV6dy=p9RQFffYEk_2-PA_W1Ug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <86eef2b4-b213-771c-d0e9-51ac9bcf15fc@gmail.com>
	<CAEVEBrMU1DA3axkotj+ubQwsmV6dy=p9RQFffYEk_2-PA_W1Ug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A9874D70-A183-4334-B866-738B2F9F98AC@brannan.name>

Having only used a K2 and a KX3, my experience agrees with your experience. If you enter as 14303, it should go to 14.303 MHz. I just tune by ear from there anyway. Of course, then you?ve got the problem that many people can?t seem to tune in SSB so that they?re all on the same frequency, but that?s another story :)


Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Email: buddy at brannan.name
Mobile: (814) 431-0962



> On Mar 21, 2021, at 3:50 PM, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:
> 
> I've never been able to enter frequencies more specifically than 1 kHz,
> myself.
> 
> On Sun, Mar 21, 2021, 15:41 David F. Reed <w5sv.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I try to enter the elecraft net 20m frequency directly; I push the FREQ
>> ENT button, then 14.303500 and it only accepts 14.303; if I try 14.303.5
>> it does the same thing.
>> 
>> Am I trying it wrong, or is it just not possible, or do I have something
>> set wrong?
>> 
>> Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From w4sc at windstream.net  Sun Mar 21 18:56:15 2021
From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 18:56:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 frequency entry
Message-ID: <DE.65.19670.01FC7506@smtp01.aqua.bos.sync.lan>

Read the manual;    de W4SC

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From alex at foinc.com  Sun Mar 21 19:11:52 2021
From: alex at foinc.com (Alex Lelievre)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:11:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 frequency entry
In-Reply-To: <DE.65.19670.01FC7506@smtp01.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
References: <DE.65.19670.01FC7506@smtp01.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
Message-ID: <1B6632EB-D085-4902-A8E3-363FFEBE693A@foinc.com>

My KX2 manual on page 15 says:


-- enter one or two MHz digits, optionally followed by a decimal point and up to three kHz digits. Next tap enter (BAND) to accept, or any other switch to cancel. Examples:

14.255MHz: FREQ 14.255 + enter
7.000 MHz: FREQ 7 + enter 



> On Mar 21, 2021, at 3:56 PM, w4sc <w4sc at windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Read the manual;    de W4SC
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> 
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From w5sv.dave at gmail.com  Sun Mar 21 19:35:37 2021
From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 23:35:37 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 frequency entry
In-Reply-To: <DE.65.19670.01FC7506@smtp01.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
References: <DE.65.19670.01FC7506@smtp01.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
Message-ID: <efb7f424-4f6d-41b2-74e0-0e7bb754c175@gmail.com>

Thank you, that was ever so helpful, I would never have thought of that...


On 3/21/2021 22:56, w4sc wrote:
> Read the manual;    de W4SC
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Mar 21 19:53:37 2021
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:53:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 frequency entry
In-Reply-To: <A9874D70-A183-4334-B866-738B2F9F98AC@brannan.name>
References: <86eef2b4-b213-771c-d0e9-51ac9bcf15fc@gmail.com>
	<CAEVEBrMU1DA3axkotj+ubQwsmV6dy=p9RQFffYEk_2-PA_W1Ug@mail.gmail.com>
	<A9874D70-A183-4334-B866-738B2F9F98AC@brannan.name>
Message-ID: <0907a7c2-28e8-3d50-6f5f-f812267568a6@foothill.net>

I just enter kHz ... "14028+AFX-Key".? Works fine for HF.? I think there 
could possibly be an issue if you have transverters connected, in which 
case the technique in the manual is very likely right.? One can always 
do it the "Ham Way" and just try it and see what happens. ?? We might 
be over-precisioning [new word] here, I have a suspicion that the memory 
gets you close enough to hear at which point you resort to "The Big 
Knob."? With the display resolution set to 3 digits after the #2 decimal 
point, entering "143035" yields a freq of 14.303.000 on my very old K3.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 3/21/2021 3:13 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> Having only used a K2 and a KX3, my experience agrees with your experience. If you enter as 14303, it should go to 14.303 MHz. I just tune by ear from there anyway. Of course, then you?ve got the problem that many people can?t seem to tune in SSB so that they?re all on the same frequency, but that?s another story :)
>
>
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Email: buddy at brannan.name
> Mobile: (814) 431-0962
>
>
>
>> On Mar 21, 2021, at 3:50 PM, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:
>>
>> I've never been able to enter frequencies more specifically than 1 kHz,
>> myself.
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 21, 2021, 15:41 David F. Reed <w5sv.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I try to enter the elecraft net 20m frequency directly; I push the FREQ
>>> ENT button, then 14.303500 and it only accepts 14.303; if I try 14.303.5
>>> it does the same thing.
>>>
>>> Am I trying it wrong, or is it just not possible, or do I have something
>>> set wrong?
>>>
>>> Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV
>>>


From dave.jones at kiwiwanderer.org  Sun Mar 21 20:04:22 2021
From: dave.jones at kiwiwanderer.org (Dave Jones)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 10:04:22 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 tx low power on 80M SSB
Message-ID: <303fd742-f891-cab4-845a-66119380430c@kiwiwanderer.org>

Thank you to Nate W1NAT and Reed W4JZ for your quick responses to my post. I 
have carried out the TX gain calibration as you have both suggested and that has 
fixed the problem. I now have the correct power output on all bands from 80 
through to 12M. 10M is still a little low initially (about 4W) but the power 
comes up with brief CW carrier or just as I talk on SSB to 10W. I can live with 
that as I don't use 10M very often.

Thanks Dave VK4FD


From john at kk9a.com  Sun Mar 21 20:38:03 2021
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:38:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 for sale
Message-ID: <007801d71eb3$9edf42d0$dc9dc870$@com>

Or you can contact them, off list:
http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2021-March/283882.html

John KK9A


Dave Cole NK7Z wrote:

Hi,

Someone had a K3 for sale here recently, could you contact me off list 
please.

-- 
73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)


From pvandyke1953 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 21 20:47:15 2021
From: pvandyke1953 at gmail.com (Paul Van Dyke)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:47:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft 80 Meter Net ... 01:00 utc Sunday Night/Mon
	Morning
In-Reply-To: <CAEPKcUmydJTZDSYnNK9qThS2pTg3y7TDwV84SZBszrCiBbqn8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPKcUmydJTZDSYnNK9qThS2pTg3y7TDwV84SZBszrCiBbqn8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPKcUkSu33JoFh=gSQjOVMwKaNB1+wUAS8uZZa6k7BgSX5X8w@mail.gmail.com>

And now they found that 3915 was open .. any members can hear
from their area

Paul KB9AVO  75M


On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 11:42 AM Paul Van Dyke <pvandyke1953 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> We will do our weekly crap shoot and Try for 3.815 as I never know the
> mood or how the band is populated at that hour
> Keep Smiling
>
> Paul - KB9AVO
> 80 Meter Net Control
>

From pvandyke1953 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 21 20:52:36 2021
From: pvandyke1953 at gmail.com (Paul Van Dyke)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:52:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft 80 Meter Net ... 01:00 utc Sunday Night/Mon
	Morning
In-Reply-To: <CAEPKcUkSu33JoFh=gSQjOVMwKaNB1+wUAS8uZZa6k7BgSX5X8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPKcUmydJTZDSYnNK9qThS2pTg3y7TDwV84SZBszrCiBbqn8g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPKcUkSu33JoFh=gSQjOVMwKaNB1+wUAS8uZZa6k7BgSX5X8w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPKcU=_3f=VfCW62mbgqsLL36k-76SucTOfXOwqopBv_wZCfg@mail.gmail.com>

on 3.820 now
3.822


On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 8:47 PM Paul Van Dyke <pvandyke1953 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> And now they found that 3915 was open .. any members can hear
> from their area
>
> Paul KB9AVO  75M
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 11:42 AM Paul Van Dyke <pvandyke1953 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> We will do our weekly crap shoot and Try for 3.815 as I never know the
>> mood or how the band is populated at that hour
>> Keep Smiling
>>
>> Paul - KB9AVO
>> 80 Meter Net Control
>>
>

From dennis at mail4life.net  Sun Mar 21 21:10:08 2021
From: dennis at mail4life.net (Dennis Moore)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 18:10:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] AX1 Performance Report
Message-ID: <fed775f6-9466-3be1-1e3d-45948c5f17f7@mail4life.net>

Tested out my KX3 portable setup out in the back field today, KX3 to the 
AX1 through a 25' RG-58 coax, set up on the tripod mount with the 
included counterpoise laying on the ground. I was running FT8 using only 
2 watts and had several nice 17m contacts into Japan, plus TX and IN. I 
worked a different op in IN on 20m who signed with 1w40zepp.

Central valley of California, butted up against the eastern foothills.

Thanks to Elecraft for the fine products.

73, Dennis NJ6G


From ndjedinak at gmail.com  Sun Mar 21 21:10:56 2021
From: ndjedinak at gmail.com (Nate Jedinak)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 21:10:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 tx low power on 80M SSB
In-Reply-To: <303fd742-f891-cab4-845a-66119380430c@kiwiwanderer.org>
References: <303fd742-f891-cab4-845a-66119380430c@kiwiwanderer.org>
Message-ID: <D83255F0-64C5-4CC4-A65E-4FE93A75CEE3@gmail.com>

Great to hear, Dave!  

I?ll be posting the outcome of my KX2?s trip back to elecraft, so watch the reflector if you?re interested in following along.  As of now no ETA from elecraft, it?s been there about 2 weeks so far. 

Nate W1NAT

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 21, 2021, at 8:05 PM, Dave Jones <dave.jones at kiwiwanderer.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Thank you to Nate W1NAT and Reed W4JZ for your quick responses to my post. I have carried out the TX gain calibration as you have both suggested and that has fixed the problem. I now have the correct power output on all bands from 80 through to 12M. 10M is still a little low initially (about 4W) but the power comes up with brief CW carrier or just as I talk on SSB to 10W. I can live with that as I don't use 10M very often.
> 
> Thanks Dave VK4FD
> 
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From pvandyke1953 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 21 21:27:51 2021
From: pvandyke1953 at gmail.com (Paul Van Dyke)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 21:27:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft 80 Meter Net ... 01:00 utc Sunday Night/Mon
	Morning
In-Reply-To: <CA+nQa2OWYK3UvJXXF=9Q62iOFvHdyEJN4bwybPALc7X+=ouZDg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPKcUmydJTZDSYnNK9qThS2pTg3y7TDwV84SZBszrCiBbqn8g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPKcUkSu33JoFh=gSQjOVMwKaNB1+wUAS8uZZa6k7BgSX5X8w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPKcU=_3f=VfCW62mbgqsLL36k-76SucTOfXOwqopBv_wZCfg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+nQa2OWYK3UvJXXF=9Q62iOFvHdyEJN4bwybPALc7X+=ouZDg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPKcUk9Yj++EKAK+NQpSHrr1mmm77rRnO8miqEXg6s7pzWXDA@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you Gwen
I listened for 15 minutes before the net .. if there is no one .. as normal
i call it open
I found one of the crew, I am looking to change to the 3.7 range as I am
getting weary of this fight.
After being clear .. I get screamed at for taking "someone's" frequency..
Wait, and they are running USS on 80
Gaaa   Yes, it is 80 meters

73
Paul  KB9AVO
75/80 Meter Net Control


On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 9:08 PM Gwen Patton <ardrhi at gmail.com> wrote:

> I tried to get in, but you couldn't hear me. There was also some irate
> gentleman out there complaining that he was already using the frequency
> that was very weak. So I think things were a little congested.
>
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> 73,
> Gwen, NG3P
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 8:54 PM Paul Van Dyke <pvandyke1953 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> on 3.820 now
>> 3.822
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 8:47 PM Paul Van Dyke <pvandyke1953 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > And now they found that 3915 was open .. any members can hear
>> > from their area
>> >
>> > Paul KB9AVO  75M
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 11:42 AM Paul Van Dyke <pvandyke1953 at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> We will do our weekly crap shoot and Try for 3.815 as I never know the
>> >> mood or how the band is populated at that hour
>> >> Keep Smiling
>> >>
>> >> Paul - KB9AVO
>> >> 80 Meter Net Control
>> >>
>> >
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From jboehner01 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 21 23:12:57 2021
From: jboehner01 at yahoo.com (James F. Boehner, MD)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 23:12:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Hi Resolution Photograph of K4?
References: <009101d71ec9$4330cb50$c99261f0$.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <009101d71ec9$4330cb50$c99261f0$@yahoo.com>

 

Hello All,

 

I asked about a high-resolution picture of the Elecraft K4 some time ago and
was told that I should just save the picture on the website to my computer.

 

I have a high-resolution picture of the K3s and P3 that I use for wallpaper
at my Elecraft station.  It is available in the photo section of the
Elecraft-K3 at groups.io <mailto:Elecraft-K3 at groups.io>  list.  The direct link
is here:

 

 <https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-K3/photo/262077/0?p=Name,,,20,1,0,0>
Elecraft-K3 at groups.io | Photo

 

This file is 1.04 MB with image dimensions of 1920 x 1080 with horizontal
and vertical resolutions of 300 dpi

The k3s wallpaper file above has stunning resolution and quality.

 

The picture on the Elecraft  website (K4front-headon splitscreen)  is an 80
kb file with image dimensions of 1060 x 497, with horizontal and vertical
resolution of 72 dpi.

 

Is a higher resolution picture of the K4 available anywhere?  

 

TIA,

 

'73 de JIM N2ZZ

_._,_._,_


From w4jz at bellsouth.net  Mon Mar 22 00:01:09 2021
From: w4jz at bellsouth.net (Reed Fite)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 04:01:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 tx low power on 80M SSB
References: <1250221974.3651974.1616385669947.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1250221974.3651974.1616385669947@mail.yahoo.com>

Dave, mine does the same thing on 10 meters. Wondering if a firmware change might fix it. Press Tune for a second & the problem goes away. The KX3 doesn't have this problem.?
73,Reed? W4JZ



From kevinr at coho.net  Mon Mar 22 01:27:33 2021
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 22:27:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <4e50e3d0-8d84-0a4d-5df5-2c012129c4ec@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? Conditions were adequate to better.? QSB was deeper on 40 meters.? 
The band was changing quickly.? Signals ranged from S1 or less to S9, 
sometimes in the same sentence.? Spring is starting. Flowers are 
blooming ranked by elevation.? The daffodils are blooming down in Banks 
while the snow drops are just starting here.? Birds can keep feeding on 
the same species by flying upward a few hundred feet.


 ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K6XK - Roy - IA

K4JPN - Steve - GA

AB9V - Mike - IN

KL7CW - Rick - AK


 ? On? 7047.5 kHz at 0000z:

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

K6PJV - Dale - CA


 ? It is almost biting fly season.? When that starts I work in my 
greenhouse.? Birding by ear is the only way possible with the 
condensation steaming the walls.

 ? Until next week 73,

 ????? Kevin.?? KD5ONS


-



Here's neither bush nor shrub, to bear off
any weather at all, and another storm brewing;
I hear it sing i' the wind: yond same black
cloud, yond huge one, looks like a foul
bombard that would shed his liquor. If it
should thunder as it did before, I know not
where to hide my head: yond same cloud cannot
choose but fall by pailfuls.

[Thunder]

Alas, the storm is come again! my best way is to
creep under his gaberdine; there is no other
shelter hereabouts: misery acquaints a man with
strange bed-fellows. I will here shroud till the
dregs of the storm be past.





From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Mon Mar 22 06:08:31 2021
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 05:08:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 frequency entry
In-Reply-To: <86eef2b4-b213-771c-d0e9-51ac9bcf15fc@gmail.com>
References: <86eef2b4-b213-771c-d0e9-51ac9bcf15fc@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <041701d71f03$4fe8d1a0$efba74e0$@LNAINC.com>

Interesting, and something I've never encountered.  Is that a "non-SDR"
limitation?  Seems reasonable that it would be.

On my Icom, I've always been able to enter a frequency to the third decimal
place (i.e.: 14.303.567).

73
Lyn, W0LEN


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David F. Reed
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2021 2:40 PM
To: Elecraft List
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 frequency entry

I try to enter the elecraft net 20m frequency directly; I push the FREQ 
ENT button, then 14.303500 and it only accepts 14.303; if I try 14.303.5 
it does the same thing.

Am I trying it wrong, or is it just not possible, or do I have something 
set wrong?

Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV

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From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Mon Mar 22 06:59:21 2021
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 05:59:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Rothammels Antenna Book
Message-ID: <043001d71f0a$6a031580$3e094080$@LNAINC.com>

This 1500-page publication has been cited as the "greatest book ever" on
antennas.  Is that true?  

 

Anyone with firsthand experience, how does it compare to the ARRL Antenna
Book (or others)?

 

https://rothammel.com/Rothammels-Antenna-Book

 

Thanks.

 

73

Lyn, W0LEN

 

 


From ndjedinak at gmail.com  Mon Mar 22 07:19:16 2021
From: ndjedinak at gmail.com (Nate Jedinak)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 07:19:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 tx low power on 80M SSB
In-Reply-To: <1250221974.3651974.1616385669947@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1250221974.3651974.1616385669947@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8C6E5CE1-6C1C-40D3-933E-CCEEF75F9D42@gmail.com>

Elecraft indicated this behavior pointed to a failure in the output block. Since Elecraft has mine now for repair of this issue, we will get a definitive answer as to whether this is firmware or hardware. 

?Nate

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 22, 2021, at 12:02 AM, Reed Fite <w4jz at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Dave, mine does the same thing on 10 meters. Wondering if a firmware change might fix it. Press Tune for a second & the problem goes away. The KX3 doesn't have this problem. 
> 73,Reed  W4JZ
> 
> 
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From hb9cvq at hispeed.ch  Mon Mar 22 08:43:37 2021
From: hb9cvq at hispeed.ch (hb9cvq at hispeed.ch)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 13:43:37 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Rothammels Antenna Book
In-Reply-To: <043001d71f0a$6a031580$3e094080$@LNAINC.com>
References: <043001d71f0a$6a031580$3e094080$@LNAINC.com>
Message-ID: <005301d71f18$fb095d10$f11c1730$@hispeed.ch>

The book (1600 pages)  is extremely valuable , systematic and professional.

Since 2019 (first English Edition) it also covers, among others,  the North American-English speaking- HAM antenna related technology  sector. 

Many international references and patent sources are outlined .

The book combines systematically HAM (Basics, VLF, HF, VHF, UHF, SHF) practical applications and puts the focus on why/understanding physics. 

I have not seen anything that big/detailed and comprehensive in recent US HAM Literature. 

 

PS: I am not getting any royalties from DL DARC , nor am I a sales gay! ?

 

 

Tnx, cu, vy 73 Andy

HB9CVQ, DK2VQ, AK4IG

 

https://www.qrz.com/db/HB9CVQ

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> Im Auftrag von Lyn Norstad
Gesendet: Montag, 22. M?rz 2021 11:59
An: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Betreff: [Elecraft] Rothammels Antenna Book

 

This 1500-page publication has been cited as the "greatest book ever" on antennas.  Is that true?  

 

 

Anyone with firsthand experience, how does it compare to the ARRL Antenna Book (or others)?

 

 

 <https://rothammel.com/Rothammels-Antenna-Book> https://rothammel.com/Rothammels-Antenna-Book

 

 

Thanks.

 

 

73

 

Lyn, W0LEN

 

 

 

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From KY5G at montac.com  Mon Mar 22 08:51:16 2021
From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 07:51:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Rothammels Antenna Book
In-Reply-To: <005301d71f18$fb095d10$f11c1730$@hispeed.ch>
References: <043001d71f0a$6a031580$3e094080$@LNAINC.com>
	<005301d71f18$fb095d10$f11c1730$@hispeed.ch>
Message-ID: <f2ebf4b1-3411-5805-75d7-474b8299e90a@montac.com>

Wish it was readily available in the USA.

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
(318) 518-1389

On 03/22/21 07:43, hb9cvq at hispeed.ch wrote:
> The book (1600 pages)  is extremely valuable , systematic and professional.
>
> Since 2019 (first English Edition) it also covers, among others,  the North American-English speaking- HAM antenna related technology  sector.
>
> Many international references and patent sources are outlined .
>
> The book combines systematically HAM (Basics, VLF, HF, VHF, UHF, SHF) practical applications and puts the focus on why/understanding physics.
>
> I have not seen anything that big/detailed and comprehensive in recent US HAM Literature.
>
>   
>
> PS: I am not getting any royalties from DL DARC , nor am I a sales gay! ?
>
>   
>
>   
>
> Tnx, cu, vy 73 Andy
>
> HB9CVQ, DK2VQ, AK4IG
>
>   
>
> https://www.qrz.com/db/HB9CVQ
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> Im Auftrag von Lyn Norstad
> Gesendet: Montag, 22. M?rz 2021 11:59
> An: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Betreff: [Elecraft] Rothammels Antenna Book
>
>   
>
> This 1500-page publication has been cited as the "greatest book ever" on antennas.  Is that true?
>
>   
>
>   
>
> Anyone with firsthand experience, how does it compare to the ARRL Antenna Book (or others)?
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   <https://rothammel.com/Rothammels-Antenna-Book> https://rothammel.com/Rothammels-Antenna-Book
>
>   
>
>   
>
> Thanks.
>
>   
>
>   
>
> 73
>
>   
>
> Lyn, W0LEN
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
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>
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From imagesbyscott at gmail.com  Mon Mar 22 09:41:13 2021
From: imagesbyscott at gmail.com (Scott Haller)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 09:41:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Rothammels Antenna Book
In-Reply-To: <f2ebf4b1-3411-5805-75d7-474b8299e90a@montac.com>
References: <043001d71f0a$6a031580$3e094080$@LNAINC.com>
	<005301d71f18$fb095d10$f11c1730$@hispeed.ch>
	<f2ebf4b1-3411-5805-75d7-474b8299e90a@montac.com>
Message-ID: <CACDaYsJcLZQgqfyLNua+3oc4kARCcX6EPzmNLfjo+Y6MTfpXAA@mail.gmail.com>

Amazon and Ebay have multiple copies available from US sources.

73, Scott K2CK

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 8:51 AM Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com> wrote:

> Wish it was readily available in the USA.
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> (318) 518-1389
>
> On 03/22/21 07:43, hb9cvq at hispeed.ch wrote:
> > The book (1600 pages)  is extremely valuable , systematic and
> professional.
> >
> > Since 2019 (first English Edition) it also covers, among others,  the
> North American-English speaking- HAM antenna related technology  sector.
> >
> > Many international references and patent sources are outlined .
> >
> > The book combines systematically HAM (Basics, VLF, HF, VHF, UHF, SHF)
> practical applications and puts the focus on why/understanding physics.
> >
> > I have not seen anything that big/detailed and comprehensive in recent
> US HAM Literature.
> >
> >
> >
> > PS: I am not getting any royalties from DL DARC , nor am I a sales gay!
> ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Tnx, cu, vy 73 Andy
> >
> > HB9CVQ, DK2VQ, AK4IG
> >
> >
> >
> > https://www.qrz.com/db/HB9CVQ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> Im Auftrag von Lyn Norstad
> > Gesendet: Montag, 22. M?rz 2021 11:59
> > An: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> > Betreff: [Elecraft] Rothammels Antenna Book
> >
> >
> >
> > This 1500-page publication has been cited as the "greatest book ever" on
> antennas.  Is that true?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone with firsthand experience, how does it compare to the ARRL
> Antenna Book (or others)?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   <https://rothammel.com/Rothammels-Antenna-Book>
> https://rothammel.com/Rothammels-Antenna-Book
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 73
> >
> >
> >
> > Lyn, W0LEN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From louandzip at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 22 10:06:02 2021
From: louandzip at yahoo.com (Louandzip)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 14:06:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Rothammels Antenna Book
In-Reply-To: <CACDaYsJcLZQgqfyLNua+3oc4kARCcX6EPzmNLfjo+Y6MTfpXAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <043001d71f0a$6a031580$3e094080$@LNAINC.com>
	<005301d71f18$fb095d10$f11c1730$@hispeed.ch>
	<f2ebf4b1-3411-5805-75d7-474b8299e90a@montac.com>
	<CACDaYsJcLZQgqfyLNua+3oc4kARCcX6EPzmNLfjo+Y6MTfpXAA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2119341961.2177918.1616421962301@mail.yahoo.com>

 I just ordered it from Rothammel.com.? $95 shipped.
Rothammels Antenna Book - DARC Verlag GmbH, 59,00 ?

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    On Monday, March 22, 2021, 7:43:14 AM MDT, Scott Haller <imagesbyscott at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Amazon and Ebay have multiple copies available from US sources.

73, Scott K2CK

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 8:51 AM Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com> wrote:

> Wish it was readily available in the USA.
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> (318) 518-1389
>
> On 03/22/21 07:43, hb9cvq at hispeed.ch wrote:
> > The book (1600 pages)? is extremely valuable , systematic and
> professional.
> >
> > Since 2019 (first English Edition) it also covers, among others,? the
> North American-English speaking- HAM antenna related technology? sector.
> >
> > Many international references and patent sources are outlined .
> >
> > The book combines systematically HAM (Basics, VLF, HF, VHF, UHF, SHF)
> practical applications and puts the focus on why/understanding physics.
> >
> > I have not seen anything that big/detailed and comprehensive in recent
> US HAM Literature.
> >
> >
> >
> > PS: I am not getting any royalties from DL DARC , nor am I a sales gay!
> ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Tnx, cu, vy 73 Andy
> >
> > HB9CVQ, DK2VQ, AK4IG
> >
> >
> >
> > https://www.qrz.com/db/HB9CVQ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> Im Auftrag von Lyn Norstad
> > Gesendet: Montag, 22. M?rz 2021 11:59
> > An: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> > Betreff: [Elecraft] Rothammels Antenna Book
> >
> >
> >
> > This 1500-page publication has been cited as the "greatest book ever" on
> antennas.? Is that true?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone with firsthand experience, how does it compare to the ARRL
> Antenna Book (or others)?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >? <https://rothammel.com/Rothammels-Antenna-Book>
> https://rothammel.com/Rothammels-Antenna-Book
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 73
> >
> >
> >
> > Lyn, W0LEN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
> >
> > Elecraft mailing list
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From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Mon Mar 22 10:21:00 2021
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 09:21:00 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Rothammels Antenna Book
In-Reply-To: <CACDaYsJcLZQgqfyLNua+3oc4kARCcX6EPzmNLfjo+Y6MTfpXAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <043001d71f0a$6a031580$3e094080$@LNAINC.com>	<005301d71f18$fb095d10$f11c1730$@hispeed.ch>	<f2ebf4b1-3411-5805-75d7-474b8299e90a@montac.com>
	<CACDaYsJcLZQgqfyLNua+3oc4kARCcX6EPzmNLfjo+Y6MTfpXAA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <054901d71f26$95886040$c09920c0$@LNAINC.com>

I have, in fact, ordered a copy from Amazon (Ebay had used copies for about the same price).

73
Lyn, W0LEN


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Scott Haller
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 8:41 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Rothammels Antenna Book

Amazon and Ebay have multiple copies available from US sources.

73, Scott K2CK

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 8:51 AM Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com> wrote:

> Wish it was readily available in the USA.
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> (318) 518-1389
>
> On 03/22/21 07:43, hb9cvq at hispeed.ch wrote:
> > The book (1600 pages)  is extremely valuable , systematic and
> professional.
> >
> > Since 2019 (first English Edition) it also covers, among others,  the
> North American-English speaking- HAM antenna related technology  sector.
> >
> > Many international references and patent sources are outlined .
> >
> > The book combines systematically HAM (Basics, VLF, HF, VHF, UHF, SHF)
> practical applications and puts the focus on why/understanding physics.
> >
> > I have not seen anything that big/detailed and comprehensive in recent
> US HAM Literature.
> >
> >
> >
> > PS: I am not getting any royalties from DL DARC , nor am I a sales gay!
> ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Tnx, cu, vy 73 Andy
> >
> > HB9CVQ, DK2VQ, AK4IG
> >
> >
> >
> > https://www.qrz.com/db/HB9CVQ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> Im Auftrag von Lyn Norstad
> > Gesendet: Montag, 22. M?rz 2021 11:59
> > An: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> > Betreff: [Elecraft] Rothammels Antenna Book
> >
> >
> >
> > This 1500-page publication has been cited as the "greatest book ever" on
> antennas.  Is that true?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone with firsthand experience, how does it compare to the ARRL
> Antenna Book (or others)?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   <https://rothammel.com/Rothammels-Antenna-Book>
> https://rothammel.com/Rothammels-Antenna-Book
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 73
> >
> >
> >
> > Lyn, W0LEN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
> >
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From donovanf at erols.com  Mon Mar 22 11:09:44 2021
From: donovanf at erols.com (donovanf at erols.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 11:09:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Rothammels Antenna Book
In-Reply-To: <054901d71f26$95886040$c09920c0$@LNAINC.com>
Message-ID: <1792797689.4993325.1616425784440.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>

www.amazon.com/Rothammels-Antenna-Book-Translated-revised/dp/3000624279 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Lyn Norstad" <Lyn at LNAINC.com> 
To: "Scott Haller" <imagesbyscott at gmail.com>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 2:21:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Rothammels Antenna Book 

I have, in fact, ordered a copy from Amazon (Ebay had used copies for about the same price). 

73 
Lyn, W0LEN 


-----Original Message----- 
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Scott Haller 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 8:41 AM 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Rothammels Antenna Book 

Amazon and Ebay have multiple copies available from US sources. 

73, Scott K2CK 

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 8:51 AM Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com> wrote: 

> Wish it was readily available in the USA. 
> 
> ______________________ 
> Clay Autery, KY5G 
> (318) 518-1389 
> 
> On 03/22/21 07:43, hb9cvq at hispeed.ch wrote: 
> > The book (1600 pages) is extremely valuable , systematic and 
> professional. 
> > 
> > Since 2019 (first English Edition) it also covers, among others, the 
> North American-English speaking- HAM antenna related technology sector. 
> > 
> > Many international references and patent sources are outlined . 
> > 
> > The book combines systematically HAM (Basics, VLF, HF, VHF, UHF, SHF) 
> practical applications and puts the focus on why/understanding physics. 
> > 
> > I have not seen anything that big/detailed and comprehensive in recent 
> US HAM Literature. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > PS: I am not getting any royalties from DL DARC , nor am I a sales gay! 
> ? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Tnx, cu, vy 73 Andy 
> > 
> > HB9CVQ, DK2VQ, AK4IG 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > https://www.qrz.com/db/HB9CVQ 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- 
> > Von: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> 
> Im Auftrag von Lyn Norstad 
> > Gesendet: Montag, 22. M?rz 2021 11:59 
> > An: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
> > Betreff: [Elecraft] Rothammels Antenna Book 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > This 1500-page publication has been cited as the "greatest book ever" on 
> antennas. Is that true? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Anyone with firsthand experience, how does it compare to the ARRL 
> Antenna Book (or others)? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > <https://rothammel.com/Rothammels-Antenna-Book> 
> https://rothammel.com/Rothammels-Antenna-Book 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 73 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Lyn, W0LEN 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ______________________________________________________________ 
> > 
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From ka4fox at gmail.com  Mon Mar 22 11:20:57 2021
From: ka4fox at gmail.com (Steve Fox)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 11:20:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] WSJTX settings
Message-ID: <62239ED0-64CA-491C-8881-C25B9977968D@gmail.com>

Greetings!

First post from a new K3 owner.  

Trying to get the CAT portion of WSJT working.  I?ll worry with the audio later. Have communicated with K3 via Utility on Com 4.

On my PC I have WSJT set for K3, correct port, 38400, 8-1-none, CAT, Data/Pkt, split none. Is there a menu item somewhere on the K3 that I need to check and alter?  Mode is set to DATA.

Thank you,

Steve
KA4FOX 

PS: WSJTX on this computer is working fine with my IC7100.

From jeff at jeffgrillo.com  Mon Mar 22 11:24:54 2021
From: jeff at jeffgrillo.com (Jeff Grillo)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 11:24:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Are external tuners really needed with Chamaeleon
	antennas?
Message-ID: <B8B0DDA7-1192-479E-976D-FD613A033331@jeffgrillo.com>

I am considering purchasing a Chamaeleon MPAS Lite and from what I gather from advertisements they require an external wide range antenna tuner to work. I have a kx2 with the internal tuner. I am guessing there is something beyond my paygrade as to why this would not be sufficient? If anyone has direct experience with these antennas please let me know your experience and what you think. Also? I am interested in this particular antenna because I am visually impaired and it seems like something I could set up myself relatively easily. Thanks! 73 KO4NE 

Sent from my iPhone

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Mon Mar 22 11:44:34 2021
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 08:44:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Are external tuners really needed with Chamaeleon
 antennas?
In-Reply-To: <B8B0DDA7-1192-479E-976D-FD613A033331@jeffgrillo.com>
References: <B8B0DDA7-1192-479E-976D-FD613A033331@jeffgrillo.com>
Message-ID: <D9E51FB0-0413-4640-BDB2-916B20F692FF@wunderwood.org>

With the KX2 ATU, save your money and don?t get the MPAS Lite.

Use the setup described on page 10 of the KX2 manual, two wires connected to a double binding post adapter on the radio. That will be lighter, cheaper, and more efficient than the Chameleon antenna.

SOTAbeams has nice wire winders (I like the ?midi? size) and high-visibility antenna wire.

https://www.sotabeams.co.uk/antenna-accessories-and-hardware/

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Mar 22, 2021, at 8:24 AM, Jeff Grillo <jeff at jeffgrillo.com> wrote:
> 
> I am considering purchasing a Chamaeleon MPAS Lite and from what I gather from advertisements they require an external wide range antenna tuner to work. I have a kx2 with the internal tuner. I am guessing there is something beyond my paygrade as to why this would not be sufficient? If anyone has direct experience with these antennas please let me know your experience and what you think. Also? I am interested in this particular antenna because I am visually impaired and it seems like something I could set up myself relatively easily. Thanks! 73 KO4NE 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Mon Mar 22 12:21:25 2021
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 12:21:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] WSJTX settings
In-Reply-To: <62239ED0-64CA-491C-8881-C25B9977968D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-C0CAAB1F1BCF4EB7B53DA50EB58F092E@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

Welcome to the list and to the K3.

I had similar problems yesterday and it was something I am have 
experienced before. I had a logging program running that uses 
the CAT interface, and WSJT does not share well. Quitting the 
logging program made things work again. My only problem is 
soreness from kicking myself in the butt.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 3/22/21 at 11:20 AM, ka4fox at gmail.com (Steve Fox) wrote:

>First post from a new K3 owner.
>Trying to get the CAT portion of WSJT working.  I?ll worry 
>with the audio later. Have communicated with K3 via Utility on 
>Com 4.
>
>On my PC I have WSJT set for K3, correct port, 38400, 8-1-none, 
>CAT, Data/Pkt, split none. Is there a menu item somewhere on 
>the K3 that I need to check and alter?  Mode is set to DATA.
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From julia at juliatuttle.net  Mon Mar 22 12:22:40 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 12:22:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] WSJTX settings
In-Reply-To: <62239ED0-64CA-491C-8881-C25B9977968D@gmail.com>
References: <62239ED0-64CA-491C-8881-C25B9977968D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrNbRMxue2+t9wDB7pFSz5krzb5D+cg8raFJ6tKoOmFFHQ@mail.gmail.com>

Is something not working? What happens if you press the "Test CAT" button?

Oh, and I assume your radio is set for 38400 baud too.

73,

Julie

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 11:22 Steve Fox <ka4fox at gmail.com> wrote:

> Greetings!
>
> First post from a new K3 owner.
>
> Trying to get the CAT portion of WSJT working.  I?ll worry with the audio
> later. Have communicated with K3 via Utility on Com 4.
>
> On my PC I have WSJT set for K3, correct port, 38400, 8-1-none, CAT,
> Data/Pkt, split none. Is there a menu item somewhere on the K3 that I need
> to check and alter?  Mode is set to DATA.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Steve
> KA4FOX
>
> PS: WSJTX on this computer is working fine with my IC7100.
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From rick.nk7i at gmail.com  Mon Mar 22 12:26:02 2021
From: rick.nk7i at gmail.com (Rick NK7I)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 09:26:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] WSJTX settings
In-Reply-To: <r480Ps-10146i-C0CAAB1F1BCF4EB7B53DA50EB58F092E@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-C0CAAB1F1BCF4EB7B53DA50EB58F092E@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <3c47d615-b1be-100c-ae84-883dd184db81@gmail.com>

That depends on which logging program too, N1MM (and others) for example 
assumes control of the radio.? In those cases, they cannot be running if 
you want native WSJT-X to control the rig.

I use HRD for control and logging; within WSJT-X I have HRD set as the 
rig (so even if I switch to another radio, it still works too).? WSJT-X 
can also load directly into the logging program of HRD (if you use for 
example Win3K3 for rig control with HRD logging).? They all play nicely 
together.

73,
Rick NK7I


On 3/22/2021 9:21 AM, Bill Frantz wrote:
> Welcome to the list and to the K3.
>
> I had similar problems yesterday and it was something I am have 
> experienced before. I had a logging program running that uses the CAT 
> interface, and WSJT does not share well. Quitting the logging program 
> made things work again. My only problem is soreness from kicking 
> myself in the butt.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
> On 3/22/21 at 11:20 AM, ka4fox at gmail.com (Steve Fox) wrote:
>
>> First post from a new K3 owner.
>> Trying to get the CAT portion of WSJT working.? I?ll worry with the 
>> audio later. Have communicated with K3 via Utility on Com 4.
>>
>> On my PC I have WSJT set for K3, correct port, 38400, 8-1-none, CAT, 
>> Data/Pkt, split none. Is there a menu item somewhere on the K3 that I 
>> need to check and alter?? Mode is set to DATA.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Bill Frantz??????? | Privacy is dead, get over | Periwinkle
> (408)348-7900????? | it.?????????????????????? | 150 Rivermead Rd #235
> www.pwpconsult.com |??? - Scott McNealy (1999) | Peterborough, NH 03458
>
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From n7cqr at arrl.net  Mon Mar 22 13:48:33 2021
From: n7cqr at arrl.net (Dan Presley)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 10:48:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Are external tuners really needed with Chamaeleon
	antennas?
In-Reply-To: <D9E51FB0-0413-4640-BDB2-916B20F692FF@wunderwood.org>
References: <D9E51FB0-0413-4640-BDB2-916B20F692FF@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <58542744-0ABB-44AF-A017-7116FC63D990@arrl.net>

I absolutely concur with Walter-a simple wire antenna will be easier to setup and use,and with the exceptional internal tuner of the KX2 there?s no reason to spend for anything else. Although it?s not as efficient the AX1/AEX1 might be worth considering as it may be easy to setup for you depending on your situation. 

Dan Presley 503-701-3871
danpresley at me. com 
N7CQR at arrl.net


> On Mar 22, 2021, at 08:46, Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org> wrote:
> 
> ?With the KX2 ATU, save your money and don?t get the MPAS Lite.
> 
> Use the setup described on page 10 of the KX2 manual, two wires connected to a double binding post adapter on the radio. That will be lighter, cheaper, and more efficient than the Chameleon antenna.
> 
> SOTAbeams has nice wire winders (I like the ?midi? size) and high-visibility antenna wire.
> 
> https://www.sotabeams.co.uk/antenna-accessories-and-hardware/
> 
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2021, at 8:24 AM, Jeff Grillo <jeff at jeffgrillo.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I am considering purchasing a Chamaeleon MPAS Lite and from what I gather from advertisements they require an external wide range antenna tuner to work. I have a kx2 with the internal tuner. I am guessing there is something beyond my paygrade as to why this would not be sufficient? If anyone has direct experience with these antennas please let me know your experience and what you think. Also? I am interested in this particular antenna because I am visually impaired and it seems like something I could set up myself relatively easily. Thanks! 73 KO4NE 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Mar 22 15:03:45 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 12:03:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Are external tuners really needed with Chamaeleon
 antennas?
In-Reply-To: <B8B0DDA7-1192-479E-976D-FD613A033331@jeffgrillo.com>
References: <B8B0DDA7-1192-479E-976D-FD613A033331@jeffgrillo.com>
Message-ID: <9ef59c71-04c3-276b-43af-22f077858abf@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 3/22/2021 8:24 AM, Jeff Grillo wrote:
> I have a kx2 with the internal tuner. I am guessing there is something beyond my paygrade as to why this would not be sufficient?

Antenna tuners do not make antennas work better, they simply help the 
rig provide power to the feedline by matching the feedline to the rig. 
If the tuner is getting you below 2:1 for the antennas you use, the only 
thing a different tuner will do is transfer money from your pocket to 
someone else's.

73, Jim K9YC

From rich at wc3t.us  Mon Mar 22 15:18:30 2021
From: rich at wc3t.us (rich at wc3t.us)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 15:18:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Are external tuners really needed with Chamaeleon
	antennas?
In-Reply-To: <9ef59c71-04c3-276b-43af-22f077858abf@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <B8B0DDA7-1192-479E-976D-FD613A033331@jeffgrillo.com>
	<9ef59c71-04c3-276b-43af-22f077858abf@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <015901d71f50$25e8af90$71ba0eb0$@wc3t.us>

I've often heard ATUs referred to as "beer goggles for your transceiver."


Ever since I read the first chapter in Reflections III by Walt Maxwell W2DU
(SK) I can well believe it.  ("Too Low an SWR Can Kill You.")

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Jim Brown
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 15:04
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Are external tuners really needed with Chamaeleon
antennas?

On 3/22/2021 8:24 AM, Jeff Grillo wrote:
> I have a kx2 with the internal tuner. I am guessing there is something
beyond my paygrade as to why this would not be sufficient?

Antenna tuners do not make antennas work better, they simply help the rig
provide power to the feedline by matching the feedline to the rig. 
If the tuner is getting you below 2:1 for the antennas you use, the only
thing a different tuner will do is transfer money from your pocket to
someone else's.

73, Jim K9YC
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From julia at juliatuttle.net  Mon Mar 22 15:53:55 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 15:53:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] XG50 stock
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrOSSu0EA7U6rkoYoKYpU7OehifN+-4Km=YEZH3P7wXQTg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I noticed the XG50 is out of stock and not listed on the shipping status
page. Is it discontinued? If so, can anyone recommend something similar in
price (kit or prebuilt) that can be used for the KX3 extended VFO
temperature compensation procedure?

73,

Julie

From k7sss at aol.com  Mon Mar 22 16:20:37 2021
From: k7sss at aol.com (k7sss at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 20:20:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] XG50 stock
In-Reply-To: <CAEVEBrOSSu0EA7U6rkoYoKYpU7OehifN+-4Km=YEZH3P7wXQTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEVEBrOSSu0EA7U6rkoYoKYpU7OehifN+-4Km=YEZH3P7wXQTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1515294228.2560834.1616444437505@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,According to the Application Note anything that is stable will work, in other words your 6 meter transmitter turned down will work.73Jim Hk7sss at aol.com??In a message dated 3/22/2021 12:56:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, julia at juliatuttle.net writes:?
Hi,?I noticed the XG50 is out of stock and not listed on the shipping statuspage. Is it discontinued? If so, can anyone recommend something similar inprice (kit or prebuilt) that can be used for the KX3 extended VFOtemperature compensation procedure??73,?Julie______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net?This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to k7sss at aol.com 

From donovanf at erols.com  Mon Mar 22 16:47:40 2021
From: donovanf at erols.com (donovanf at erols.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 16:47:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Rothammels Antenna Book
In-Reply-To: <043001d71f0a$6a031580$3e094080$@LNAINC.com>
Message-ID: <156891998.5236931.1616446060937.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>

Hi Lyn, 


Its an excellent antenna book but its more of a reference book than 
a "how to" book. Its definitely not an alternative to the ARRL 
Antenna Book. If you don't have either book, for most hams the 
ARRL Antenna Book is the better first investment . 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Lyn Norstad" <Lyn at LNAINC.com> 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 10:59:21 AM 
Subject: [Elecraft] Rothammels Antenna Book 

This 1500-page publication has been cited as the "greatest book ever" on 
antennas. Is that true? 



Anyone with firsthand experience, how does it compare to the ARRL Antenna 
Book (or others)? 



https://rothammel.com/Rothammels-Antenna-Book 



Thanks. 



73 

Lyn, W0LEN 





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From julia at juliatuttle.net  Mon Mar 22 16:59:08 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 16:59:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] XG50 stock
In-Reply-To: <1515294228.2560834.1616444437505@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAEVEBrOSSu0EA7U6rkoYoKYpU7OehifN+-4Km=YEZH3P7wXQTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1515294228.2560834.1616444437505@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrO41MQNo0y2eV_z7vV86GW8yszo9aeSvBLSnVuWbB-hcw@mail.gmail.com>

Sadly, I don't have a separate transmitter, just the KX3.

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 4:20 PM <k7sss at aol.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> According to the Application Note anything that is stable will work, in
> other words your 6 meter transmitter turned down will work.
> 73
> Jim H
> k7sss at aol.com
>
> In a message dated 3/22/2021 12:56:10 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> julia at juliatuttle.net writes:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I noticed the XG50 is out of stock and not listed on the shipping status
> page. Is it discontinued? If so, can anyone recommend something similar in
> price (kit or prebuilt) that can be used for the KX3 extended VFO
> temperature compensation procedure?
>
> 73,
>
> Julie
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From ka4fox at gmail.com  Mon Mar 22 17:16:37 2021
From: ka4fox at gmail.com (Steve Fox)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 17:16:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] WSJTX settings
In-Reply-To: <62239ED0-64CA-491C-8881-C25B9977968D@gmail.com>
References: <62239ED0-64CA-491C-8881-C25B9977968D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DBB63EF1-01A4-40A0-9362-11CC7986C6E5@gmail.com>

Problem solved.  As always with Windows, a driver issue. 

Making FT8 QSOs on 40 @ 10 watts.

Steve

> On Mar 22, 2021, at 11:20 AM, Steve Fox <ka4fox at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Greetings!
> 
> First post from a new K3 owner.  
> 
> Trying to get the CAT portion of WSJT working.  I?ll worry with the audio later. Have communicated with K3 via Utility on Com 4.
> 
> On my PC I have WSJT set for K3, correct port, 38400, 8-1-none, CAT, Data/Pkt, split none. Is there a menu item somewhere on the K3 that I need to check and alter?  Mode is set to DATA.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Steve
> KA4FOX 
> 
> PS: WSJTX on this computer is working fine with my IC7100.

From elanzl at sbcglobal.net  Mon Mar 22 17:26:50 2021
From: elanzl at sbcglobal.net (Eric Lanzl)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 21:26:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Net 3-21-2021
References: <169544921.665314.1616448410452.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <169544921.665314.1616448410452@mail.yahoo.com>

Here is the list of stations checking in to the Sunday net for this date. Thank you to the relay stations for their help.We have 33 SSB nets now:
20m net at 1800Z on 14.303.540m net at 1900Z on?? 7280Zoom meeting at 2000Z contact K8NU for the link80 m net at 0100Z? frequency changes due to use? between 3.815-3835Eric WB9JNZ




Call????????? Name??? State????? Radio??? Serial #? QRP???????????????????????????? Notes

WB9JNZ????? Eric?????????? IL????????????? K3???????????? 4017????????? ???????????????????????????????????? NetControl

W1NGA?????? Al????????????? CO??????????? Flex?????????? 6400????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K1NW????????? Brian???????? RI????????????? K3???????????? 4974????????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

NC0JW??????? Jim??????????? CO??????????? KX3????????? 1356????????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

AB7CE???????? Roy?????????? MT??????????? K2/100????? 40????????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

AE6JV???????? Bill??????????? NH??????????? K3???????????? 6299????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

WM6P????????? Steve???????? GA??????????? K3S?????????? 11453??????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

W5SV????????? Dave???????? TX??????????? K3???????????? 5354????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K7BRR??????? Bill??????????? AZ??????????? K3S?????????? 10996??????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

N7BDL??????? Terry???????? AZ??????????? K3S?????????? 10373??????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

W7QHD?????? Kurt?????????? AZ??????????? K2/100????? 1538????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

N7YW????????? Ken?????????? AZ??????????? K3???????????? 8183????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K8NU????????? Carl?????????? OH??????????? YaesuFT? 101DX????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

W4DML?????? Doug???????? TN??????????? K3???????????? 6433????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K6VWE?????? Stan?????????? MI???????????? K3???????????? 650??????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K4HYJ???????? Hank???????? GA??????????? K3S?????????? 11697??????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K9PY?????????? Jerry????????? IL????????????? K3???????????? 4023????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K6FW????????? Frank???????? CA??????????? K3S?????????? 11672??????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

NS7P??????????? Phil??????????? OR??????????? K3???????????? 1826????????? ??????????????????????????????????? Relay Station ? 

W7CSW?????? Spence????? AZ??????????? K3???????????? 8655????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

W5SV????????? Dave???????? TX??????????? KX2????????? 72????????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

KO5V????????? Jim??????????? NM?????????? K2/100????? 7225????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

W9MNC?????? Mike????????? FL???????????? K3S?????????? 11864??????? ???????????????????????????????????? 
? NZ8P????????? Joe????? ? ? OH????? ?? KX2/100??? 3007??? 

From navydude1962 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 22 18:13:18 2021
From: navydude1962 at yahoo.com (Edward)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 01:13:18 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: 73CNC VFO Knob for K3
References: <254941D2-01B6-481D-9E00-856FA3A0D356.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <254941D2-01B6-481D-9E00-856FA3A0D356@yahoo.com>

I have a knob I am trying to replace. This particular knob is heavy and does NOT have a spinner. Solid black. 

Have one to sell?  Thanks. 

Ed

From foxfive.vjc at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 06:02:09 2021
From: foxfive.vjc at gmail.com (F5vjc)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 11:02:09 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 OPER/STBY switching?
Message-ID: <CABuWoS84cxewPg7HViB_BiRyzPEFRuXe4LmhRX2o2PWv1Q7jkg@mail.gmail.com>

Recently I am seeing an intermittent problem with my KPA500.
Occasionally it will not switch from STBY to Operate, however if I switch
it OFF via the front panel and back on again the problem clears and it will
switch to Operate.

Anyone else see this problem and know the fix, thanks?

73 F5VJC

From charlestropp at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 06:17:47 2021
From: charlestropp at gmail.com (Charles Tropp)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 06:17:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Why is my K3 off frequency?
Message-ID: <CAEA2n_dn0ivtyV5WNiuqwYjAA6svfyEK142LbdAtbSQeHrSoDA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
Last night my local ham club scheduled their first ever 6Meter Net and
Roundtable for 50.135Mz. I operate USB very rarely, preferring CW for all
of my Contesting and DX work. Last night the net control station advised me
that I was 12Hz too high and that he had to use his RIT control to tune to
me. When I turned on my XIT and transmitted down 12Hz I was right on his
frequency. This was confirmed by other callers as well. I have also heard
this problem mentioned in the past when checking into occasional 75M nets.
Is there an adjustment that I can or should make aside from using my XIT?

Thanks for any assistance you can provide.

-- 
*73, Charles N2SO*

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Tue Mar 23 08:27:11 2021
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 08:27:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Why is my K3 off frequency?
In-Reply-To: <CAEA2n_dn0ivtyV5WNiuqwYjAA6svfyEK142LbdAtbSQeHrSoDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEA2n_dn0ivtyV5WNiuqwYjAA6svfyEK142LbdAtbSQeHrSoDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts7AhANnhLeZdSkuxR4m-FS6YqN8YQufXMnwaBG7nPQdmw@mail.gmail.com>

If your Net Control station has an accurate enough ear to tell you are 12Hz
off frequency on an SSB net, I would ask him to align it for you.

On 80M, you may be only off frequency by a few hz.

12Hz at 50Mhz is really nothing.  If it concerns you, you will need to
align it with the correct alignment tools and a trip to a repair facility
with a calibrated frequency standard is in order.  If it was me, I wouldn't
worry about it too much.  You can remind your Net controller that that is
what the RIT control, is for on his radio.

If I remember correctly, the K3 accuracy is 5ppm and at 50Mhz that is +/-
250hz at 50Mhz.  It is only 15Hz at 80M.   If my assumption is correct or
PPM, your radio is within Spec.  I'm sure others will correct me if I
am wrong.

Mike


On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 6:19 AM Charles Tropp <charlestropp at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
> Last night my local ham club scheduled their first ever 6Meter Net and
> Roundtable for 50.135Mz. I operate USB very rarely, preferring CW for all
> of my Contesting and DX work. Last night the net control station advised me
> that I was 12Hz too high and that he had to use his RIT control to tune to
> me. When I turned on my XIT and transmitted down 12Hz I was right on his
> frequency. This was confirmed by other callers as well. I have also heard
> this problem mentioned in the past when checking into occasional 75M nets.
> Is there an adjustment that I can or should make aside from using my XIT?
>
> Thanks for any assistance you can provide.
>
> --
> *73, Charles N2SO*
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From jstengrevics at comcast.net  Tue Mar 23 08:45:27 2021
From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 08:45:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Why is my K3 off frequency?
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts7AhANnhLeZdSkuxR4m-FS6YqN8YQufXMnwaBG7nPQdmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEA2n_dn0ivtyV5WNiuqwYjAA6svfyEK142LbdAtbSQeHrSoDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+33ts7AhANnhLeZdSkuxR4m-FS6YqN8YQufXMnwaBG7nPQdmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DB3B1F71-0BDF-4C08-A474-0ED53D5B4F2B@comcast.net>

Hi Charles,

Maybe you?ve done this, but if not, you should do frequency calibration per the manual (p.53 in mine).  

This worked well for me until it didn?t.  I then had to go to a 10 MHz external source which works well except that my 2 meter transverter is 600 Hz low (all other frequencies are perfect).  Tech support provided an adjustment solution for the transverter which  is beyond what I can do.  Will send it back to Elecraft when my K4 arrives.

73,

John
WA1EAZ

> On Mar 23, 2021, at 8:27 AM, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:
> 
> If your Net Control station has an accurate enough ear to tell you are 12Hz
> off frequency on an SSB net, I would ask him to align it for you.
> 
> On 80M, you may be only off frequency by a few hz.
> 
> 12Hz at 50Mhz is really nothing.  If it concerns you, you will need to
> align it with the correct alignment tools and a trip to a repair facility
> with a calibrated frequency standard is in order.  If it was me, I wouldn't
> worry about it too much.  You can remind your Net controller that that is
> what the RIT control, is for on his radio.
> 
> If I remember correctly, the K3 accuracy is 5ppm and at 50Mhz that is +/-
> 250hz at 50Mhz.  It is only 15Hz at 80M.   If my assumption is correct or
> PPM, your radio is within Spec.  I'm sure others will correct me if I
> am wrong.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 6:19 AM Charles Tropp <charlestropp at gmail.com <mailto:charlestropp at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> Last night my local ham club scheduled their first ever 6Meter Net and
>> Roundtable for 50.135Mz. I operate USB very rarely, preferring CW for all
>> of my Contesting and DX work. Last night the net control station advised me
>> that I was 12Hz too high and that he had to use his RIT control to tune to
>> me. When I turned on my XIT and transmitted down 12Hz I was right on his
>> frequency. This was confirmed by other callers as well. I have also heard
>> this problem mentioned in the past when checking into occasional 75M nets.
>> Is there an adjustment that I can or should make aside from using my XIT?
>> 
>> Thanks for any assistance you can provide.
>> 
>> --
>> *73, Charles N2SO*
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 09:18:25 2021
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 08:18:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Why is my K3 off frequency?
In-Reply-To: <DB3B1F71-0BDF-4C08-A474-0ED53D5B4F2B@comcast.net>
References: <CAEA2n_dn0ivtyV5WNiuqwYjAA6svfyEK142LbdAtbSQeHrSoDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+33ts7AhANnhLeZdSkuxR4m-FS6YqN8YQufXMnwaBG7nPQdmw@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB3B1F71-0BDF-4C08-A474-0ED53D5B4F2B@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <DE4F3A8D-F462-4400-BA6D-276E39797674@gmail.com>

Maybe I am missing the point.  

While you may be off by 12Hz, not sure if I would feel that I want to participate in this Net if you are called out for that.

When I was brought into 6 meters I was told this was the Gentlemen's band.  
Most all the nets I participate in are within 100Hz at best.  
Also, I do recall when a current big manufacturer did not set there Bias correctly and we (somewhat) lived with it.

I still recall on 6 meters contesting when you ran across a buddy that you had not talked to in years, you took the time to chat with him to see how he was.
I hope that still exists!

Sheesh.
 
-73-  Frank    KG9H
kg9hfrank at gmail.com




> On Mar 23, 2021, at 7:45 AM, John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Charles,
> 
> Maybe you?ve done this, but if not, you should do frequency calibration per the manual (p.53 in mine).  
> 
> This worked well for me until it didn?t.  I then had to go to a 10 MHz external source which works well except that my 2 meter transverter is 600 Hz low (all other frequencies are perfect).  Tech support provided an adjustment solution for the transverter which  is beyond what I can do.  Will send it back to Elecraft when my K4 arrives.
> 
> 73,
> 
> John
> WA1EAZ
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2021, at 8:27 AM, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net <mailto:va3mw at portcredit.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> If your Net Control station has an accurate enough ear to tell you are 12Hz
>> off frequency on an SSB net, I would ask him to align it for you.
>> 
>> On 80M, you may be only off frequency by a few hz.
>> 
>> 12Hz at 50Mhz is really nothing.  If it concerns you, you will need to
>> align it with the correct alignment tools and a trip to a repair facility
>> with a calibrated frequency standard is in order.  If it was me, I wouldn't
>> worry about it too much.  You can remind your Net controller that that is
>> what the RIT control, is for on his radio.
>> 
>> If I remember correctly, the K3 accuracy is 5ppm and at 50Mhz that is +/-
>> 250hz at 50Mhz.  It is only 15Hz at 80M.   If my assumption is correct or
>> PPM, your radio is within Spec.  I'm sure others will correct me if I
>> am wrong.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 6:19 AM Charles Tropp <charlestropp at gmail.com <mailto:charlestropp at gmail.com> <mailto:charlestropp at gmail.com <mailto:charlestropp at gmail.com>>>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Last night my local ham club scheduled their first ever 6Meter Net and
>>> Roundtable for 50.135Mz. I operate USB very rarely, preferring CW for all
>>> of my Contesting and DX work. Last night the net control station advised me
>>> that I was 12Hz too high and that he had to use his RIT control to tune to
>>> me. When I turned on my XIT and transmitted down 12Hz I was right on his
>>> frequency. This was confirmed by other callers as well. I have also heard
>>> this problem mentioned in the past when checking into occasional 75M nets.
>>> Is there an adjustment that I can or should make aside from using my XIT?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any assistance you can provide.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *73, Charles N2SO*
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From lawresh at woh.rr.com  Tue Mar 23 10:06:45 2021
From: lawresh at woh.rr.com (SteveL)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 10:06:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] XG50 stock
In-Reply-To: <CAEVEBrO41MQNo0y2eV_z7vV86GW8yszo9aeSvBLSnVuWbB-hcw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEVEBrOSSu0EA7U6rkoYoKYpU7OehifN+-4Km=YEZH3P7wXQTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1515294228.2560834.1616444437505@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CAEVEBrO41MQNo0y2eV_z7vV86GW8yszo9aeSvBLSnVuWbB-hcw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FF79D969-6E12-4819-8673-01DB73B8568F@woh.rr.com>

Julie,
About a month ago I contacted Elecraft and they did have the XG50 in stock - just not reflected on their web page!?.  You might reach out to them to check.

73,
Steve
aa8af

> On Mar 22, 2021, at 4:59 PM, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:
> 
> Sadly, I don't have a separate transmitter, just the KX3.
> 
> On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 4:20 PM <k7sss at aol.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> According to the Application Note anything that is stable will work, in
>> other words your 6 meter transmitter turned down will work.
>> 73
>> Jim H
>> k7sss at aol.com
>> 
>> In a message dated 3/22/2021 12:56:10 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>> julia at juliatuttle.net writes:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I noticed the XG50 is out of stock and not listed on the shipping status
>> page. Is it discontinued? If so, can anyone recommend something similar in
>> price (kit or prebuilt) that can be used for the KX3 extended VFO
>> temperature compensation procedure?
>> 


From ae6lx at worldwidedx.com  Tue Mar 23 13:29:23 2021
From: ae6lx at worldwidedx.com (Tim Tucker)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 10:29:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Are external tuners really needed with Chamaeleon
	antennas?
In-Reply-To: <B8B0DDA7-1192-479E-976D-FD613A033331@jeffgrillo.com>
References: <B8B0DDA7-1192-479E-976D-FD613A033331@jeffgrillo.com>
Message-ID: <CALuSmOe2rZPNkhRHqLB+Z8q0Ehr_-F8xS__2CpyWct75iEvgKQ@mail.gmail.com>

Since noone has actually answered the specific question...

A few years ago, I was told by the Owner of Chamelon that the CHA
Hybrid-Micro used in that kit as the base & matching unit is 5:1 Unun.  The
manual of the kit has an SWR plot for various types of radiating
elements that can be used:  the vertical, vertical with extension, a length
of wire, etc. Whether or not a tuner is required to obtain an acceptable
SWR is going to depend a lot on what you intend to use for the radiating
element.  If you're planning on using the antenna with one of the vertical
elements on 40m, you're going to need to use the tuner in the KX2...which
will just fine.

The folks who have commented about using just a wire and binding post as
the preferred setup are not taking into considerations the various
operating environments that someone might be in.  I frequent desert and
mountainous areas in SoCal that have no trees or bushes of any meaningful
height.  In those cases, using a man-pack type of vertical (like the
Chameleon) is a very convenient antenna to use with a KX2 or KX3.

Tim

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 8:24 AM Jeff Grillo <jeff at jeffgrillo.com> wrote:

> I am considering purchasing a Chamaeleon MPAS Lite and from what I gather
> from advertisements they require an external wide range antenna tuner to
> work. I have a kx2 with the internal tuner. I am guessing there is
> something beyond my paygrade as to why this would not be sufficient? If
> anyone has direct experience with these antennas please let me know your
> experience and what you think. Also? I am interested in this particular
> antenna because I am visually impaired and it seems like something I could
> set up myself relatively easily. Thanks! 73 KO4NE
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From cw0009 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 13:48:22 2021
From: cw0009 at gmail.com (cp0004)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 10:48:22 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Are external tuners really needed with Chamaeleon
	antennas?
In-Reply-To: <B8B0DDA7-1192-479E-976D-FD613A033331@jeffgrillo.com>
References: <B8B0DDA7-1192-479E-976D-FD613A033331@jeffgrillo.com>
Message-ID: <1616521702480-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Jeff-

If you look on Youtube, Thomas Witherspoon K4SWL has a channel (in his name)
and he has a few videos where he is using his KX2 with the Chamaleon
antennas and uses the internal ATU to tune them.  Looks like he is very
responsive to questions so you should be able to get some good feedback from
him.

73

Cameron
KI4JDD



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From jimk0xu at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 13:51:37 2021
From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 12:51:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Are external tuners really needed with Chamaeleon
	antennas?
In-Reply-To: <CALuSmOe2rZPNkhRHqLB+Z8q0Ehr_-F8xS__2CpyWct75iEvgKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B8B0DDA7-1192-479E-976D-FD613A033331@jeffgrillo.com>
	<CALuSmOe2rZPNkhRHqLB+Z8q0Ehr_-F8xS__2CpyWct75iEvgKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4YBfVUL3t-u137gGzL8OozyBGYUL2Cq10tHqsE+KD2O8Q@mail.gmail.com>

Since this is the Elecraft reflector I will go out on a limb and guess you
are using an Elecraft rig with an internal tuner. If so you already have a
wide range tuner in the rig and do not need an external tuner. I am often
amazed at how well my tuners match some really outlandish antennas. Luckily
when in the field I am usually not using a very long feedline so loses in
the coax are kept fairly low.

On Tue, Mar 23, 2021, 12:30 Tim Tucker <ae6lx at worldwidedx.com> wrote:

> Since noone has actually answered the specific question...
>
> A few years ago, I was told by the Owner of Chamelon that the CHA
> Hybrid-Micro used in that kit as the base & matching unit is 5:1 Unun.  The
> manual of the kit has an SWR plot for various types of radiating
> elements that can be used:  the vertical, vertical with extension, a length
> of wire, etc. Whether or not a tuner is required to obtain an acceptable
> SWR is going to depend a lot on what you intend to use for the radiating
> element.  If you're planning on using the antenna with one of the vertical
> elements on 40m, you're going to need to use the tuner in the KX2...which
> will just fine.
>
> The folks who have commented about using just a wire and binding post as
> the preferred setup are not taking into considerations the various
> operating environments that someone might be in.  I frequent desert and
> mountainous areas in SoCal that have no trees or bushes of any meaningful
> height.  In those cases, using a man-pack type of vertical (like the
> Chameleon) is a very convenient antenna to use with a KX2 or KX3.
>
> Tim
>
> On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 8:24 AM Jeff Grillo <jeff at jeffgrillo.com> wrote:
>
> > I am considering purchasing a Chamaeleon MPAS Lite and from what I gather
> > from advertisements they require an external wide range antenna tuner to
> > work. I have a kx2 with the internal tuner. I am guessing there is
> > something beyond my paygrade as to why this would not be sufficient? If
> > anyone has direct experience with these antennas please let me know your
> > experience and what you think. Also? I am interested in this particular
> > antenna because I am visually impaired and it seems like something I
> could
> > set up myself relatively easily. Thanks! 73 KO4NE
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > ______________________________________________________________
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> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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>
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From a.durbin at msn.com  Tue Mar 23 13:53:04 2021
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 17:53:04 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Why is my K3 off frequency?
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB2968847ECA508AE93133D8718C649@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"Last night the net control station advised me that I was 12Hz too high and that he had to use his RIT control to tune to me. When I turned on my XIT and transmitted down 12Hz I was right on his frequency."

Is my calendar wrong?  Try again in a week!

Andy, k3wyc

From n1al at sonic.net  Tue Mar 23 14:02:08 2021
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 12:02:08 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Are external tuners really needed with Chamaeleon
 antennas?
In-Reply-To: <CALhxr4YBfVUL3t-u137gGzL8OozyBGYUL2Cq10tHqsE+KD2O8Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B8B0DDA7-1192-479E-976D-FD613A033331@jeffgrillo.com>
	<CALuSmOe2rZPNkhRHqLB+Z8q0Ehr_-F8xS__2CpyWct75iEvgKQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALhxr4YBfVUL3t-u137gGzL8OozyBGYUL2Cq10tHqsE+KD2O8Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1224d6a4-3f22-a0ba-bd72-e1821730fcf6@sonic.net>

On 3/23/2021 11:51 AM, Jim Rhodes wrote:
> I am often amazed at how well my tuners match some really outlandish antennas.

My KX2 loads up the aluminum rain gutter outside my window just fine on 
80 through 10 meters.? (I do have 1/4-wave counterpoise wires for 40, 20 
and 10 meters.)

Alan N1AL


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Tue Mar 23 14:34:47 2021
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 11:34:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Why is my K3 off frequency?
In-Reply-To: <CAEA2n_dn0ivtyV5WNiuqwYjAA6svfyEK142LbdAtbSQeHrSoDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEA2n_dn0ivtyV5WNiuqwYjAA6svfyEK142LbdAtbSQeHrSoDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <34803569-8d26-e75f-74c0-1121895f1fa6@foothill.net>

Hmmm ... I can just barely hear a 12 Hz difference on a CW note in an 
A/B comparison.? Your NCS must have extraordinary ears to hear that 
small a difference on sideband. Maybe he's just yanking your chain?

First off, 12 Hz at 50 MHz is essentially dead-on and I don't believe 
it's worth your time to mess with it nor do I believe it would ever 
matter.? But, Wayne published a procedure using WWV that will get you 
within 1 Hz at whatever WWV frequency you choose.? It used to be on the 
Elecraft web site but I can't find it now, maybe he'll speak up.? It's 
simple but you must go slowly.? Set the display to WWV's freq at the 1 
Hz display precision, select CONFIG->REF CAL, and adjust the REF CAL 
frequency for exact ZB.? While in REF CAL you'll see a number like
49.379682 in the display [that's what mine says, yours will likely be a 
little different].

When you are very close to ZB, you will hear the beat as a slow rise and 
fall in the noise or the WWV tone.? In my case, two adjacent REF CAL 
steps sort of "straddled" true ZB with the WWV audio tone pulsing about 
one cycle every 3 sec on either one ... ~0.333 Hz.? Get ZB during one of 
the minutes WWV isn't transmitting the audio tone.? Then, when the tone 
comes back, it's easier to hear the beat, and you are assured you're not 
trying to ZB the audio sideband.? Use the highest WWV frequency that you 
have a good S9 signal on.

There is one possible pitfall to beware of:? The 2.5 and 20 MHz WWV TX 
are 2.5 KW and appear to be linear transmitters.? On a panadapter, you 
can see the 100 Hz sub-carrier that carries the IRIG time code, and the 
tone produces the two sidebands you would expect.? The 5, 10, and 15 MHz 
TX appear to be Class C plate modulated and you will see additional 
sidebands at the harmonics of the audio tone frequency.? The second 
harmonic sidebands are only down about 15 dB from the fundamental 
sidebands.? All of the sidebands also show the 100 Hz sub-carrier.? 
Using any of those WWV frequencies, you need to be extra careful that 
you're ZB with the carrier and not one of the sidebands.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 3/23/2021 3:17 AM, Charles Tropp wrote:
> Hi,
> Last night my local ham club scheduled their first ever 6Meter Net and
> Roundtable for 50.135Mz. I operate USB very rarely, preferring CW for all
> of my Contesting and DX work. Last night the net control station advised me
> that I was 12Hz too high and that he had to use his RIT control to tune to
> me. When I turned on my XIT and transmitted down 12Hz I was right on his
> frequency. This was confirmed by other callers as well. I have also heard
> this problem mentioned in the past when checking into occasional 75M nets.
> Is there an adjustment that I can or should make aside from using my XIT?
>
> Thanks for any assistance you can provide.
>


From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 14:48:59 2021
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:48:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Why is my K3 off frequency?
In-Reply-To: <34803569-8d26-e75f-74c0-1121895f1fa6@foothill.net>
References: <34803569-8d26-e75f-74c0-1121895f1fa6@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <E74F841A-FA74-45DD-AA8F-313FFA0A89F8@gmail.com>

The other option if you don?t want to go through a REF CAL, is to simply tune to the NCS. Use the dial display to get close, and then, like the old days, ignore it and tune a few Hz until the NCS sounds right. 

Grant NQ5T



Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 23, 2021, at 2:35 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hmmm ... I can just barely hear a 12 Hz difference on a CW note in an A/B comparison.  Your NCS must have extraordinary ears to hear that small a difference on sideband. Maybe he's just yanking your chain?
> 
> First off, 12 Hz at 50 MHz is essentially dead-on and I don't believe it's worth your time to mess with it nor do I believe it would ever matter.  But, Wayne published a procedure using WWV that will get you within 1 Hz at whatever WWV frequency you choose.  It used to be on the Elecraft web site but I can't find it now, maybe he'll speak up.  It's simple but you must go slowly.  Set the display to WWV's freq at the 1 Hz display precision, select CONFIG->REF CAL, and adjust the REF CAL frequency for exact ZB.  While in REF CAL you'll see a number like
> 49.379682 in the display [that's what mine says, yours will likely be a little different].
> 
>> On 3/23/2021 3:17 AM, Charles Tropp wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Last night my local ham club scheduled their first ever 6Meter Net and
>> Roundtable for 50.135Mz. I operate USB very rarely, preferring CW for all
>> of my Contesting and DX work. Last night the net control station advised me
>> that I was 12Hz too high and that he had to use his RIT control to tune to
>> me. When I turned on my XIT and transmitted down 12Hz I was right on his
>> frequency. This was confirmed by other callers as well. I have also heard
>> this problem mentioned in the past when checking into occasional 75M nets.
>> Is there an adjustment that I can or should make aside from using my XIT?
>> 
>> Thanks for any assistance you can 

From ab7echo at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 15:09:36 2021
From: ab7echo at gmail.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 12:09:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Phone Scam Glitter Bomb
Message-ID: <0c308472-ccb4-760e-9a74-dc4fcafc220a@gmail.com>

Pretty interesting ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrKW58MS12g



From charles.hardt at mgccc.edu  Tue Mar 23 16:00:08 2021
From: charles.hardt at mgccc.edu (Charles Hardt)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 20:00:08 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Are external tuners really needed with
	Chamaeleon	antennas?
In-Reply-To: <B8B0DDA7-1192-479E-976D-FD613A033331@jeffgrillo.com>
References: <B8B0DDA7-1192-479E-976D-FD613A033331@jeffgrillo.com>
Message-ID: <BN8PR18MB2609FA8560CB1D752BAF4331EE649@BN8PR18MB2609.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

Jeff,
I operated Winter Field Day, with my KX3 (Same basic internal tuner as yours) at a camp ground down along the Gulf Coast with my club.  I operated with a Chameleon 80 meter End Fed Half Wave, working mostly 40 and 20 meters.  The antenna was tossed up into a group of pine trees and other green foliage in true amateur fashion, severely detuning the antenna.  My KX3 internal antenna tuner had no problem tuning.  Elecraft tuners are wide range tuners, typically 10 to 1.  (Wayne, N6KR, please forgive me for this).  And Wayne, N6KR; Co-founder of Elecraft, has written in this very mailing list that he can tune Lightly Salted Snow with his KX2!  Jeff you will have no problems with your KX2.  Hope to catch you on the air with your KX2/MPAS Lite!

73,
Charlie, N2PKW

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Jeff Grillo
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 10:25 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [EXT]: [Elecraft] Are external tuners really needed with Chamaeleon antennas?

I am considering purchasing a Chamaeleon MPAS Lite and from what I gather from advertisements they require an external wide range antenna tuner to work. I have a kx2 with the internal tuner. I am guessing there is something beyond my paygrade as to why this would not be sufficient? If anyone has direct experience with these antennas please let me know your experience and what you think. Also? I am interested in this particular antenna because I am visually impaired and it seems like something I could set up myself relatively easily. Thanks! 73 KO4NE 

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From gerry at w1ve.com  Tue Mar 23 16:51:49 2021
From: gerry at w1ve.com (Gerry Hull)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 16:51:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] The K3/0 Zero as a Remote Frequency knob/PTT for ANY
	radio with CAT
In-Reply-To: <CALcvumO+xDYQPpXitbRFVBZNwdk2opte=GLBTXc9q7ZJnh9R2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALcvumO+xDYQPpXitbRFVBZNwdk2opte=GLBTXc9q7ZJnh9R2A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALcvumPudhaGxh-q0gQq=OWJXWDh_+VE6_XasJXkZSDjrevBdg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Folks,

In my endeavor to find a way to frequency control a Flex using a K3/0, I
tested a couple of solutions.  Nothing worked exactly to my needs.

Then I thought of a very cool idea.   Our friend who developed Skimmer,
VE3NEA, also has a rig-control library called OmniRig.

With a little software glue, I could use OmniRig to build a CATMapper --
not for everything, but for all frequency-related functions and for PTT!!
 It's a little Windows desktop app.

Well, I did it and it works very well.

For you guys trying to do K3/0 + Flex,
- Fire up the Flex with SmartSDR
- Go to SmartSDR-CAT, and ensure you have a COM port for CAT -- and note it.
- Connect your K3/0 to your PC via the USB connector on the side near the
Power connector.
Check your device manager for the COM port number of the K3/0.

Download OmniRig and install it if you don't have it already.
http://www.dxatlas.com/OmniRig/Files/OmniRig.zip
(if you have Windows 10, unblock the app by right-clicking on Zip, choose
Properties and check the Unblock box).  Run the installer.

Download my little app:  https://files.w1ve.com/catmapper.exe
  (if you have Windows 10, unblock the app by right-clicking on exe, choose
Properties and check the Unblock box).   You can run the program from
anywhere.

You press the configure button and configure for your two radio types:
Elecraft K3 for the Mini or a K3, and whatever you want, like SmartSDR for
the Flex.  Make sure to match baud rates, etc.   I recommend a 250ms poll
time.

You should start the app once the K3/0 is connected to the PC, and your
other radio application is connected and running (like SmartSDR-CAT).

This will 100% work with RHR's desktop app -- EVEN WITH a logger like N1MM+
running.  If you want to use with RHR app, Turn off support for K3/0 in the
RHR app -- this replaces it.

This solution will work well with desktop-only virtual radio solutions that
don't have a knob, as long as CAT for the remote radio is exposed locally
on the computer.

The K3/0 is an amazing piece of gear.  I just wish they had not stopped
making it.

73,

Gerry Hull, *W1VE  *Hancock, NH USA

From jim.gmforum at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 17:31:53 2021
From: jim.gmforum at gmail.com (Jim Borowski)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 16:31:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Fuse Issue
Message-ID: <605a5e4c.1c69fb81.1cbc9.0e15@mx.google.com>

My PX3 Is fused with a 1amp ATC fuse once in a while the fuse blows. I believe the fuse blows when recommends? Nothing else is connected to this fused line except the PX3. What does Elecraft recomends?Jim K9TFSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

From jim.gmforum at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 17:37:30 2021
From: jim.gmforum at gmail.com (Jim Borowski)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 16:37:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Fuse Issue
Message-ID: <605a5f9c.1c69fb81.1cbc9.0ee0@mx.google.com>

My PX3 Is fused with a 1amp ATC fuse once in a while the fuse blows. I believe the fuse blows when the power is first turned on. What does Elecraft recommends? Nothing else is connected to this fused line except the PX3. What does Elecraft recomends?Jim K9TFSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

From n0nb at n0nb.us  Tue Mar 23 17:56:12 2021
From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 16:56:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Why is my K3 off frequency?
In-Reply-To: <CAEA2n_dn0ivtyV5WNiuqwYjAA6svfyEK142LbdAtbSQeHrSoDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEA2n_dn0ivtyV5WNiuqwYjAA6svfyEK142LbdAtbSQeHrSoDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20210323215612.wotykzlog42xqycn@n0nb.us>

It's quite possible the NCS' radio is 12 Hz off frequency.

That said, "Net Control is *always* on frequency."  ;-)

73, Nate, N0NB

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From n1al at sonic.net  Tue Mar 23 18:04:39 2021
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 16:04:39 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Fuse Issue
In-Reply-To: <605a5f9c.1c69fb81.1cbc9.0ee0@mx.google.com>
References: <605a5f9c.1c69fb81.1cbc9.0ee0@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <bcb47af4-1fa3-cec6-02df-fba8e69797af@sonic.net>

The PX3 should draw no more than about 200 mA from the 12V supply.

When power is first applied, there will be some inrush current due to 
the filter capacitors but I'm surprised that's enough to blow a 1A fuse.

Is it a fast-blow type fuse?? Perhaps a slow-blow type would solve the 
problem.

Alan N1AL


On 3/23/2021 3:37 PM, Jim Borowski wrote:
> My PX3 Is fused with a 1amp ATC fuse once in a while the fuse blows. I believe the fuse blows when the power is first turned on. What does Elecraft recommends? Nothing else is connected to this fused line except the PX3. What does Elecraft recomends?Jim K9TFSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
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From w4sc at windstream.net  Tue Mar 23 21:07:33 2021
From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 21:07:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Why is my K3 off frequency?
Message-ID: <40.ED.12620.7D09A506@smtp02.aqua.bos.sync.lan>

Skip,

I agree with all points you have  made.  

Add to the check list the offset in the K3 Filter setup, verify it is set correctly.  On 5 pole filters,, i.e. for SSB the standard 2.7KHz filter, allows an offset setting range of 0.00 to +- 9.99KHz (in 10Hz steps).  The same check would apply to the 8 pole filters, which should be set to 0.00.  These offsets are used by the f/w to set the operating frequency and proper carrier point on the filter slopes.

Furthermore, I don?t understand why the NCS isn?t using his RIT, or operating in split mode, to ?chase? stations he perceives to be ?off frequency.?  I think back to the past when no one had a digital frequency display to ?get within? a couple of Hz of the desired frequency.  Maybe he should be required to use a Swan 350 for a week or two??

73 de Ben W4SC

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From marvwheeler at nwlink.com  Tue Mar 23 21:16:12 2021
From: marvwheeler at nwlink.com (marvwheeler at nwlink.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 18:16:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Why is my K3 off frequency?
In-Reply-To: <40.ED.12620.7D09A506@smtp02.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
References: <40.ED.12620.7D09A506@smtp02.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
Message-ID: <000001d7204b$47eba2e0$d7c2e8a0$@nwlink.com>

Or everyone check in using an Eico 753.

Marv
KG7V

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of w4sc
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 6:08 PM
To: k6dgw at foothill.net; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Why is my K3 off frequency?

Skip,

I agree with all points you have  made.  

Add to the check list the offset in the K3 Filter setup, verify it is set correctly.  On 5 pole filters,, i.e. for SSB the standard 2.7KHz filter, allows an offset setting range of 0.00 to +- 9.99KHz (in 10Hz steps).  The same check would apply to the 8 pole filters, which should be set to 0.00.  These offsets are used by the f/w to set the operating frequency and proper carrier point on the filter slopes.

Furthermore, I don?t understand why the NCS isn?t using his RIT, or operating in split mode, to ?chase? stations he perceives to be ?off frequency.?  I think back to the past when no one had a digital frequency display to ?get within? a couple of Hz of the desired frequency.  Maybe he should be required to use a Swan 350 for a week or two??

73 de Ben W4SC

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From n8sbe at arrl.net  Wed Mar 24 07:39:27 2021
From: n8sbe at arrl.net (Dave New)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 06:39:27 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft 80 Meter Net ... 01:00 utc Sunday Night/Mon
 Morning
In-Reply-To: <CAEPKcUk9Yj++EKAK+NQpSHrr1mmm77rRnO8miqEXg6s7pzWXDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPKcUmydJTZDSYnNK9qThS2pTg3y7TDwV84SZBszrCiBbqn8g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPKcUkSu33JoFh=gSQjOVMwKaNB1+wUAS8uZZa6k7BgSX5X8w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPKcU=_3f=VfCW62mbgqsLL36k-76SucTOfXOwqopBv_wZCfg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+nQa2OWYK3UvJXXF=9Q62iOFvHdyEJN4bwybPALc7X+=ouZDg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPKcUk9Yj++EKAK+NQpSHrr1mmm77rRnO8miqEXg6s7pzWXDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20210324063927.Horde.x4YIylVzS-zL1QppNebm5h7@www14.qth.com>

Paul,

There was some guys on 3.816 LSB when I started listening about 1/2  
before our net time.  The typical kind of thing where someone would  
say something, then a couple of minutes of silence, then someone else,  
then a bunch of ID's at the 10-minute mark.

Rinse, repeat.  This kind of thing can go on for hours amongst a bunch  
of old friends.

So, watching my waterfall, I noticed that 3.812 looked clear, so I  
started calling about 10 minutes before the hour, about once a minute.  
  Never heard anyone, so about 10 after, I called it quits.

I did tune up around 3.815 several times during that time, but all I  
heard was the guys on 3.816.  One of them, at least was splattering  
almost down to 3.812.

I still have a very high noise floor from 3.8 up to 6.2 MHz, from said  
neighbor's ATT U-Verse uplink, anywhere from S9 to S9+20 dB.

73,

-- Dave, N8SBE

Quoting Paul Van Dyke <pvandyke1953 at gmail.com>:

> Thank you Gwen
> I listened for 15 minutes before the net .. if there is no one .. as normal
> i call it open
> I found one of the crew, I am looking to change to the 3.7 range as I am
> getting weary of this fight.
> After being clear .. I get screamed at for taking "someone's" frequency..
> Wait, and they are running USS on 80
> Gaaa   Yes, it is 80 meters
>
> 73
> Paul  KB9AVO
> 75/80 Meter Net Control
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 9:08 PM Gwen Patton <ardrhi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I tried to get in, but you couldn't hear me. There was also some irate
>> gentleman out there complaining that he was already using the frequency
>> that was very weak. So I think things were a little congested.
>>
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>> 73,
>> Gwen, NG3P
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 8:54 PM Paul Van Dyke <pvandyke1953 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> on 3.820 now
>>> 3.822
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 8:47 PM Paul Van Dyke <pvandyke1953 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > And now they found that 3915 was open .. any members can hear
>>> > from their area
>>> >
>>> > Paul KB9AVO  75M
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 11:42 AM Paul Van Dyke <pvandyke1953 at gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> We will do our weekly crap shoot and Try for 3.815 as I never know the
>>> >> mood or how the band is populated at that hour
>>> >> Keep Smiling
>>> >>
>>> >> Paul - KB9AVO
>>> >> 80 Meter Net Control
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> ______________________________________________________________




From k9ztv at socket.net  Wed Mar 24 11:04:48 2021
From: k9ztv at socket.net (KENT TRIMBLE)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 10:04:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Why is my K3 off frequency?
In-Reply-To: <E74F841A-FA74-45DD-AA8F-313FFA0A89F8@gmail.com>
References: <34803569-8d26-e75f-74c0-1121895f1fa6@foothill.net>
	<E74F841A-FA74-45DD-AA8F-313FFA0A89F8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fe831ada-793a-0574-c460-ed08eb8f844a@socket.net>

Probably a good time to remind newcomers . . .

Calibration aside, stations checking into nets should always zero-beat 
the Net Control Station regardless of where he is on the dial and 
regardless of the net's published frequency.

Last week the NCS of the 75-meter Interstate Sideband Net parked himself 
several kilohertz below the published frequency in order to escape QRM.? 
As the net control station that was his prerogative and his 
responsibility.? Most participants followed suit, but several stations 
insisted on transmitting on the published frequency and then complained 
that the NCS was off-frequency.? In truth, the NCS is never 
off-frequency.? He IS the net frequency.? Accurately zero-beating the 
NCS is even more critical on CW nets where conditions often mandate 
narrow filters.

73,

Kent? K9ZTV






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From a.durbin at msn.com  Wed Mar 24 11:24:36 2021
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 15:24:36 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Why is my K3 off frequency?
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB2968847ECA508AE93133D8718C649@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB2968847ECA508AE93133D8718C649@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB29680E5D89BDF163F7ED99A98C639@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"Calibration aside, stations checking into nets should always zero-beat the Net Control Station regardless of where he is on the dial and regardless of the net's published frequency."

O.k. I'll bite.   I started in amateur radio long enough ago to know how to use a BFO and to know how to zero beat an AM or CW signal.  How does one zero beat a suppressed carrier single sideband phone signal?  I just tune until the voice sounds like I think the voice should sound like.  It is very subjective and I certainly can't tune to less than 12 Hz error.

What technique are others using that enables them to "zero beat" SSB phone to better than 12 Hz accuracy?  I seldom use phone but I'd like to have this technique in my bag of tricks.

73,
Andy, k3wyc




From dave at nk7z.net  Wed Mar 24 11:29:00 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 08:29:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Why is my K3 off frequency?
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB29680E5D89BDF163F7ED99A98C639@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB2968847ECA508AE93133D8718C649@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB29680E5D89BDF163F7ED99A98C639@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <82fab71f-e11f-7e6f-0140-25457f845e05@nk7z.net>

For SSB, I use the same.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 3/24/21 8:24 AM, Andy Durbin wrote:
> "Calibration aside, stations checking into nets should always zero-beat the Net Control Station regardless of where he is on the dial and regardless of the net's published frequency."
> 
> O.k. I'll bite.   I started in amateur radio long enough ago to know how to use a BFO and to know how to zero beat an AM or CW signal.  How does one zero beat a suppressed carrier single sideband phone signal?  I just tune until the voice sounds like I think the voice should sound like.  It is very subjective and I certainly can't tune to less than 12 Hz error.
> 
> What technique are others using that enables them to "zero beat" SSB phone to better than 12 Hz accuracy?  I seldom use phone but I'd like to have this technique in my bag of tricks.
> 
> 73,
> Andy, k3wyc
> 
> 
> 
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Wed Mar 24 11:56:32 2021
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 08:56:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Why is my K3 off frequency?
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB29680E5D89BDF163F7ED99A98C639@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB2968847ECA508AE93133D8718C649@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
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Took the words right out of my mouth. And how does a NCS know check-ins are off 
frequency, especially if it's a YL?

Wes? N7WS

On 3/24/2021 8:24 AM, Andy Durbin wrote:
> "Calibration aside, stations checking into nets should always zero-beat the Net Control Station regardless of where he is on the dial and regardless of the net's published frequency."
>
> O.k. I'll bite.   I started in amateur radio long enough ago to know how to use a BFO and to know how to zero beat an AM or CW signal.  How does one zero beat a suppressed carrier single sideband phone signal?  I just tune until the voice sounds like I think the voice should sound like.  It is very subjective and I certainly can't tune to less than 12 Hz error.
>
> What technique are others using that enables them to "zero beat" SSB phone to better than 12 Hz accuracy?  I seldom use phone but I'd like to have this technique in my bag of tricks.
>
> 73,
> Andy, k3wyc


From haljr.massey at gmail.com  Wed Mar 24 11:59:22 2021
From: haljr.massey at gmail.com (Hal Massey)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 09:59:22 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Why is my K3 off frequency?
In-Reply-To: <64aa9533-6c7c-0362-7517-820467d7f5dc@triconet.org>
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	<64aa9533-6c7c-0362-7517-820467d7f5dc@triconet.org>
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It?s not off frequency enough to care about it.

> On Mar 24, 2021, at 9:56 AM, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
> 
> Took the words right out of my mouth. And how does a NCS know check-ins are off frequency, especially if it's a YL?
> 
> Wes  N7WS
> 
> On 3/24/2021 8:24 AM, Andy Durbin wrote:
>> "Calibration aside, stations checking into nets should always zero-beat the Net Control Station regardless of where he is on the dial and regardless of the net's published frequency."
>> 
>> O.k. I'll bite.   I started in amateur radio long enough ago to know how to use a BFO and to know how to zero beat an AM or CW signal.  How does one zero beat a suppressed carrier single sideband phone signal?  I just tune until the voice sounds like I think the voice should sound like.  It is very subjective and I certainly can't tune to less than 12 Hz error.
>> 
>> What technique are others using that enables them to "zero beat" SSB phone to better than 12 Hz accuracy?  I seldom use phone but I'd like to have this technique in my bag of tricks.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Andy, k3wyc
> 
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Wed Mar 24 12:22:26 2021
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 09:22:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Why is my K3 off frequency?
In-Reply-To: <fe831ada-793a-0574-c460-ed08eb8f844a@socket.net>
References: <34803569-8d26-e75f-74c0-1121895f1fa6@foothill.net>
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True ... the NCS is, by definition, the net frequency.? One can zero 
beat CW and AM to within a Hz or so and with today's radios, you will 
even stay there.? What's to "zero beat" in a SSB signal?

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 3/24/2021 8:04 AM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote:
> Probably a good time to remind newcomers . . .
>
> Calibration aside, stations checking into nets should always zero-beat 
> the Net Control Station regardless of where he is on the dial and 
> regardless of the net's published frequency.
>
> Last week the NCS of the 75-meter Interstate Sideband Net parked 
> himself several kilohertz below the published frequency in order to 
> escape QRM.? As the net control station that was his prerogative and 
> his responsibility.? Most participants followed suit, but several 
> stations insisted on transmitting on the published frequency and then 
> complained that the NCS was off-frequency.? In truth, the NCS is never 
> off-frequency.? He IS the net frequency.? Accurately zero-beating the 
> NCS is even more critical on CW nets where conditions often mandate 
> narrow filters.
>
> 73,
>
> Kent? K9ZTV
>
>
>
>
>
>


From k9ztv at socket.net  Wed Mar 24 12:45:53 2021
From: k9ztv at socket.net (KENT TRIMBLE)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 11:45:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Why is my K3 off frequency?
In-Reply-To: <BF9E4C7B-FC71-4C90-890B-744C2A208D0C@gmail.com>
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	<BYAPR16MB29680E5D89BDF163F7ED99A98C639@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<64aa9533-6c7c-0362-7517-820467d7f5dc@triconet.org>
	<BF9E4C7B-FC71-4C90-890B-744C2A208D0C@gmail.com>
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The quickest and easiest method for zero-beating the NCS on an SSB net 
is just what Andy described . . . tune for the most natural sounding 
voice.? I suppose someone with lab instruments and scopes might come up 
with something more sophisticated? But, as others have pointed out, 
sophistication is seldom needed in general Amateur use.? There is only 
one station in a net that all stations need to zero-beat and that is the 
NCS.

The NCS doesn't care about stations off-frequency.? It is not his job to 
tune for anybody.? He stays put.? It's the responsibility of stations 
who are checking into the net to find and zero-beat the NCS, not the 
other way around.? In fact, a good NCS will lock his main VFO so he 
doesn't accidentally bump it.? If he needs to fine-tune someone, he uses 
his clarifier/RIT.

The same holds true for all stations in the net (or round table).? They 
should use their main (transmitter) VFOs to zero the NCS, lock it, and 
then use their clarifier (RIT) knob to tune incoming signals as 
desired.? Of course, SPLIT could also be used to accomplish the same 
thing as long as the transmitting VFO is zeroed to the NCS and locked 
and the operator doesn't get confused as to which VFO is doing what.

But again, I can't emphasize enough that the NCS chooses a frequency of 
his choice nearest the published frequency in order to establish as 
clear a spot as possible and all others zero-beat him.? This protocol 
has been in practice in National Traffic System work since the advent of 
variable frequency oscillators.

73,

Kent? K9ZTV

>> On Mar 24, 2021, at 9:56 AM, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
>>
>> And how does a NCS know check-ins are off frequency, especially if it's a YL?
>>
>> Wes  N7WS
>>
>> On 3/24/2021 8:24 AM, Andy Durbin wrote:
>>> "Calibration aside, stations checking into nets should always zero-beat the Net Control Station regardless of where he is on the dial and regardless of the net's published frequency."
>>>
>>> O.k. I'll bite.   I started in amateur radio long enough ago to know how to use a BFO and to know how to zero beat an AM or CW signal.  How does one zero beat a suppressed carrier single sideband phone signal?  I just tune until the voice sounds like I think the voice should sound like.  It is very subjective and I certainly can't tune to less than 12 Hz error.
>>>
>>> What technique are others using that enables them to "zero beat" SSB phone to better than 12 Hz accuracy?  I seldom use phone but I'd like to have this technique in my bag of tricks.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Andy, k3wyc
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From chris at dl1mgb.com  Wed Mar 24 16:03:10 2021
From: chris at dl1mgb.com (Christian Janssen DL1MGB)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 21:03:10 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - no output power
Message-ID: <64623683-b07a-74fc-dffd-c33fddd61f36@dl1mgb.com>

Hello,

it happened during the Russian DX Contest last Saturday, from one second to another. No output. When I tune the display looks like this: http://dl1mgb.com/temp/k3_no_power.jpg

Following conditions:

- sending into a 50 ohm dummy load
- no matter how many watts are set with PWR knob
- Test mode off
- TX INH off
- all driver transistors working (three screw test)
- no output power also on external watt meter
- happens on all bands
- happens with KPA set to "not inst"
- knocking on housing doesn't change anything
- when starting the antenna tuner, it says 5.0 watts, but no output on the external watt meter

I am running out of ideas :-)

73s Chris DL1MGB

From chris at dl1mgb.com  Wed Mar 24 16:49:21 2021
From: chris at dl1mgb.com (Christian Janssen DL1MGB)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 21:49:21 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - no output power
In-Reply-To: <E1lPAAq-00071g-Oy@raspberrypi>
References: <64623683-b07a-74fc-dffd-c33fddd61f36@dl1mgb.com>
	<E1lPAAq-00071g-Oy@raspberrypi>
Message-ID: <917c0cea-e432-fddb-64ef-882c5c3fc9a7@dl1mgb.com>

Hi Harald,

spectrum analyzer and more space on the table would be the best, but both not available :-)

Additional information:
- internal voltage / current (DISP)
  
Standby: 13.8 V / 0.86 A
Tune: 13.4 V / 3.20 A

And still no power output on the external wattmeter.

It seems that there is something produced, but it doesn't exit the K3.

I also did an EE INIT, ut no change.

73s Chris



Am 24.03.2021 um 21:32 schrieb Harald Fritzsche (DD0VS):
> Hello Chris,
> 
> ?
> 
> strange is, that your Display does not show a frequency, but it should.
> 
> ?
> 
> I had a water Intrusion in 2019 which causes several defects.
> 
> I was testing along the Signal path to see the Signal (with RSP-spectrum analyzer), that helped me, to find the defects. It tooks a while also with help of the list here.
> 
> ?
> 
> Receiving is working?
> 
> ?
> 
> Vy73 & GL
> 
> Harald
> 
> DD0VS
> 
> ?
> 
> ?
> 
> ?
> 
> Gesendet von Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> f?r Windows 10
> 
> ?
> 
> *Von: *Christian Janssen DL1MGB <mailto:chris at dl1mgb.com>
> *Gesendet: *Mittwoch, 24. M?rz 2021 21:05
> *An: *elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> *Betreff: *[Elecraft] K3 - no output power
> 
> ?
> 
> Hello,
> 
> ?
> 
> it happened during the Russian DX Contest last Saturday, from one second to another. No output. When I tune the display looks like this: http://dl1mgb.com/temp/k3_no_power.jpg
> 
> ?
> 
> Following conditions:
> 
> ?
> 
> - sending into a 50 ohm dummy load
> 
> - no matter how many watts are set with PWR knob
> 
> - Test mode off
> 
> - TX INH off
> 
> - all driver transistors working (three screw test)
> 
> - no output power also on external watt meter
> 
> - happens on all bands
> 
> - happens with KPA set to "not inst"
> 
> - knocking on housing doesn't change anything
> 
> - when starting the antenna tuner, it says 5.0 watts, but no output on the external watt meter
> 
> ?
> 
> I am running out of ideas :-)
> 
> ?
> 
> 73s Chris DL1MGB
> 
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Wed Mar 24 18:41:08 2021
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 15:41:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - no output power
In-Reply-To: <64623683-b07a-74fc-dffd-c33fddd61f36@dl1mgb.com>
References: <64623683-b07a-74fc-dffd-c33fddd61f36@dl1mgb.com>
Message-ID: <2baf533d-0226-27ea-a4ba-f4f6395b0490@triconet.org>

Does it receive?

Wes? N7WS

On 3/24/2021 1:03 PM, Christian Janssen DL1MGB wrote:
> Hello,
>
> it happened during the Russian DX Contest last Saturday, from one second to another. No output. When I tune the display looks like this: http://dl1mgb.com/temp/k3_no_power.jpg
>
> Following conditions:
>
> - sending into a 50 ohm dummy load
> - no matter how many watts are set with PWR knob
> - Test mode off
> - TX INH off
> - all driver transistors working (three screw test)
> - no output power also on external watt meter
> - happens on all bands
> - happens with KPA set to "not inst"
> - knocking on housing doesn't change anything
> - when starting the antenna tuner, it says 5.0 watts, but no output on the external watt meter
>
> I am running out of ideas :-)
>
> 73s Chris DL1MGB


From wa6vab at gmail.com  Wed Mar 24 21:35:42 2021
From: wa6vab at gmail.com (Ray)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 18:35:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - no output power
In-Reply-To: <917c0cea-e432-fddb-64ef-882c5c3fc9a7@dl1mgb.com>
References: <64623683-b07a-74fc-dffd-c33fddd61f36@dl1mgb.com>
	<E1lPAAq-00071g-Oy@raspberrypi>
	<917c0cea-e432-fddb-64ef-882c5c3fc9a7@dl1mgb.com>
Message-ID: <605be8ee.1c69fb81.b0c20.a624@mx.google.com>



Harald
I think you need to start at Ground Zero,,,,,,
Go to your Elecraft Utility
And connect to the K3 Radio and verify
The Firmware is present (05.67 ect)
I would go to the Basic mode of operations.
Set K3 to SSB operation Upper or  Lower , Freq middle of band. 
Set radio to PTT (not VOX) Ant 1, load to Ant 1.
Verify on K3 DVM , voltage is 13 volts.
Push Tune button (long for TX ? with RF)
Adjust PWR knob Clockwise for Max RF power.
Take readings???. Ray WA6VAB  K3  

From: Christian Janssen DL1MGB
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 1:49 PM
To: Harald Fritzsche (DD0VS); elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - no output power

Hi Harald,

spectrum analyzer and more space on the table would be the best, but both not available :-)

Additional information:
- internal voltage / current (DISP)
  
Standby: 13.8 V / 0.86 A
Tune: 13.4 V / 3.20 A

And still no power output on the external wattmeter.

It seems that there is something produced, but it doesn't exit the K3.

I also did an EE INIT, ut no change.

73s Chris



Am 24.03.2021 um 21:32 schrieb Harald Fritzsche (DD0VS):
> Hello Chris,
> 
> ?
> 
> strange is, that your Display does not show a frequency, but it should.
> 
> ?
> 
> I had a water Intrusion in 2019 which causes several defects.
> 
> I was testing along the Signal path to see the Signal (with RSP-spectrum analyzer), that helped me, to find the defects. It tooks a while also with help of the list here.
> 
> ?
> 
> Receiving is working?
> 
> ?
> 
> Vy73 & GL
> 
> Harald
> 
> DD0VS
> 
> ?
> 
> ?
> 
> ?
> 
> Gesendet von Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> f?r Windows 10
> 
> ?
> 
> *Von: *Christian Janssen DL1MGB <mailto:chris at dl1mgb.com>
> *Gesendet: *Mittwoch, 24. M?rz 2021 21:05
> *An: *elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> *Betreff: *[Elecraft] K3 - no output power
> 
> ?
> 
> Hello,
> 
> ?
> 
> it happened during the Russian DX Contest last Saturday, from one second to another. No output. When I tune the display looks like this: http://dl1mgb.com/temp/k3_no_power.jpg
> 
> ?
> 
> Following conditions:
> 
> ?
> 
> - sending into a 50 ohm dummy load
> 
> - no matter how many watts are set with PWR knob
> 
> - Test mode off
> 
> - TX INH off
> 
> - all driver transistors working (three screw test)
> 
> - no output power also on external watt meter
> 
> - happens on all bands
> 
> - happens with KPA set to "not inst"
> 
> - knocking on housing doesn't change anything
> 
> - when starting the antenna tuner, it says 5.0 watts, but no output on the external watt meter
> 
> ?
> 
> I am running out of ideas :-)
> 
> ?
> 
> 73s Chris DL1MGB
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
> 
> Elecraft mailing list
> 
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From chris at dl1mgb.com  Thu Mar 25 00:28:27 2021
From: chris at dl1mgb.com (Christian Janssen DL1MGB)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 05:28:27 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - no output power
In-Reply-To: <605be8ee.1c69fb81.b0c20.a624@mx.google.com>
References: <64623683-b07a-74fc-dffd-c33fddd61f36@dl1mgb.com>
	<E1lPAAq-00071g-Oy@raspberrypi>
	<917c0cea-e432-fddb-64ef-882c5c3fc9a7@dl1mgb.com>
	<605be8ee.1c69fb81.b0c20.a624@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <c6a1749b-6de9-0dcb-a329-b73aa2cfe381@dl1mgb.com>

Update:

- reseted all TMP connectors
- already changed the pin headers at the KPA3 (had the 12V ERR some months ago), since then radio was good for some hundred QSOs
- no transverter available
- serial number is 1532
- K3 receives without any problems
- uploaded the newest firmware

No change.

I don't have a spectrum analyzer, but I will look with my eyes if there is something noticeable.

73s Chris DL1MGB


Am 25.03.2021 um 02:35 schrieb Ray:
> ?
> 
> ?
> 
> Harald
> 
> I think you need to start at Ground Zero,,,,,,
> 
> Go to your Elecraft Utility
> 
> And connect to the K3 Radio and verify
> 
> The Firmware is present (05.67 ect)
> 
> I would go to the Basic mode of operations.
> 
> Set K3 to SSB operation Upper or? Lower , Freq middle of band.
> 
> Set radio to PTT (not VOX) Ant 1, load to Ant 1.
> 
> Verify on K3 DVM , voltage is 13 volts.
> 
> Push Tune button (long for TX ? with RF)
> 
> Adjust PWR knob Clockwise for Max RF power.
> 
> Take readings???. Ray WA6VAB? K3 ?
> 
> ?
> 
> *From: *Christian Janssen DL1MGB <mailto:chris at dl1mgb.com>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 24, 2021 1:49 PM
> *To: *Harald Fritzsche (DD0VS) <mailto:Harald.Fritzsche at dd0vs.de>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [Elecraft] K3 - no output power
> 
> ?
> 
> Hi Harald,
> 
> ?
> 
> spectrum analyzer and more space on the table would be the best, but both not available :-)
> 
> ?
> 
> Additional information:
> 
> - internal voltage / current (DISP)
> 
> ?
> 
> Standby: 13.8 V / 0.86 A
> 
> Tune: 13.4 V / 3.20 A
> 
> ?
> 
> And still no power output on the external wattmeter.
> 
> ?
> 
> It seems that there is something produced, but it doesn't exit the K3.
> 
> ?
> 
> I also did an EE INIT, ut no change.
> 
> ?
> 
> 73s Chris
> 
> ?
> 
> ?
> 
> ?
> 
> Am 24.03.2021 um 21:32 schrieb Harald Fritzsche (DD0VS):
> 
>> Hello Chris,
> 
>>
> 
>> ?
> 
>>
> 
>> strange is, that your Display does not show a frequency, but it should.
> 
>>
> 
>> ?
> 
>>
> 
>> I had a water Intrusion in 2019 which causes several defects.
> 
>>
> 
>> I was testing along the Signal path to see the Signal (with RSP-spectrum analyzer), that helped me, to find the defects. It tooks a while also with help of the list here.
> 
>>
> 
>> ?
> 
>>
> 
>> Receiving is working?
> 
>>
> 
>> ?
> 
>>
> 
>> Vy73 & GL
> 
>>
> 
>> Harald
> 
>>
> 
>> DD0VS
> 
>>
> 
>> ?
> 
>>
> 
>> ?
> 
>>
> 
>> ?
> 
>>
> 
>> Gesendet von Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> f?r Windows 10
> 
>>
> 
>> ?
> 
>>
> 
>> *Von: *Christian Janssen DL1MGB <mailto:chris at dl1mgb.com>
> 
>> *Gesendet: *Mittwoch, 24. M?rz 2021 21:05
> 
>> *An: *elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> 
>> *Betreff: *[Elecraft] K3 - no output power
> 
>>
> 
>> ?
> 
>>
> 
>> Hello,
> 
>>
> 
>> ?
> 
>>
> 
>> it happened during the Russian DX Contest last Saturday, from one second to another. No output. When I tune the display looks like this: http://dl1mgb.com/temp/k3_no_power.jpg
> 
>>
> 
>> ?
> 
>>
> 
>> Following conditions:
> 
>>
> 
>> ?
> 
>>
> 
>> - sending into a 50 ohm dummy load
> 
>>
> 
>> - no matter how many watts are set with PWR knob
> 
>>
> 
>> - Test mode off
> 
>>
> 
>> - TX INH off
> 
>>
> 
>> - all driver transistors working (three screw test)
> 
>>
> 
>> - no output power also on external watt meter
> 
>>
> 
>> - happens on all bands
> 
>>
> 
>> - happens with KPA set to "not inst"
> 
>>
> 
>> - knocking on housing doesn't change anything
> 
>>
> 
>> - when starting the antenna tuner, it says 5.0 watts, but no output on the external watt meter
> 
>>
> 
>> ?
> 
>>
> 
>> I am running out of ideas :-)
> 
>>
> 
>> ?
> 
>>
> 
>> 73s Chris DL1MGB
> 
>>
> 
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> 
>>
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From chris at dl1mgb.com  Thu Mar 25 00:35:51 2021
From: chris at dl1mgb.com (Christian Janssen DL1MGB)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 05:35:51 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - no output power
In-Reply-To: <E1lPAAq-00071g-Oy@raspberrypi>
References: <64623683-b07a-74fc-dffd-c33fddd61f36@dl1mgb.com>
	<E1lPAAq-00071g-Oy@raspberrypi>
Message-ID: <dd0fd386-02d1-cf6b-f665-6cca8ad12168@dl1mgb.com>

I am not sure if there is a frequency shown when in TUNE mode. My memories tell me that the top line shows the SWR and the bottom line shows the power.

73s Chris



Am 24.03.2021 um 21:32 schrieb Harald Fritzsche (DD0VS):
> Hello Chris,
> 
> ?
> 
> strange is, that your Display does not show a frequency, but it should.
> 
> ?
> 
> I had a water Intrusion in 2019 which causes several defects.
> 
> I was testing along the Signal path to see the Signal (with RSP-spectrum analyzer), that helped me, to find the defects. It tooks a while also with help of the list here.
> 
> ?
> 
> Receiving is working?
> 
> ?
> 
> Vy73 & GL
> 
> Harald
> 
> DD0VS
> 
> ?
> 
> ?
> 
> ?
> 
> Gesendet von Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> f?r Windows 10
> 
> ?
> 
> *Von: *Christian Janssen DL1MGB <mailto:chris at dl1mgb.com>
> *Gesendet: *Mittwoch, 24. M?rz 2021 21:05
> *An: *elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> *Betreff: *[Elecraft] K3 - no output power
> 
> ?
> 
> Hello,
> 
> ?
> 
> it happened during the Russian DX Contest last Saturday, from one second to another. No output. When I tune the display looks like this: http://dl1mgb.com/temp/k3_no_power.jpg
> 
> ?
> 
> Following conditions:
> 
> ?
> 
> - sending into a 50 ohm dummy load
> 
> - no matter how many watts are set with PWR knob
> 
> - Test mode off
> 
> - TX INH off
> 
> - all driver transistors working (three screw test)
> 
> - no output power also on external watt meter
> 
> - happens on all bands
> 
> - happens with KPA set to "not inst"
> 
> - knocking on housing doesn't change anything
> 
> - when starting the antenna tuner, it says 5.0 watts, but no output on the external watt meter
> 
> ?
> 
> I am running out of ideas :-)
> 
> ?
> 
> 73s Chris DL1MGB
> 
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From dd0vs at gmx.de  Thu Mar 25 01:45:05 2021
From: dd0vs at gmx.de (Harald Fritzsche)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 06:45:05 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - no output power
In-Reply-To: <dd0fd386-02d1-cf6b-f665-6cca8ad12168@dl1mgb.com>
References: <64623683-b07a-74fc-dffd-c33fddd61f36@dl1mgb.com>
	<E1lPAAq-00071g-Oy@raspberrypi>
	<dd0fd386-02d1-cf6b-f665-6cca8ad12168@dl1mgb.com>
Message-ID: <1D75E1C4-45F1-4754-89CB-F1BB47E646C1@gmx.de>

Hello Chris, all,

According to your current consumption the 10w PA driver is working, but KPA3 gets no input or has not 12V.
Check CB1 CKT BKR (KPA3 page 1 of 2 in K3 schematics) and check if TR-Switch gets plausible voltages (KPA3 page 2 of 2, 7R and 7T).

Since there is no plausible idle current from KPA3 the CB1 seems to be defect, most likely.
Not sure if this can happen.
Or give me a call, # sent separetly.
Vy73
Harald
DD0VS

.-.-. --... ...--     -.. -.. ----- ...- ...

> Am 25.03.2021 um 05:35 schrieb Christian Janssen DL1MGB <chris at dl1mgb.com>:
> 
> I am not sure if there is a frequency shown when in TUNE mode. My memories tell me that the top line shows the SWR and the bottom line shows the power.
> 
> 73s Chris
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 24.03.2021 um 21:32 schrieb Harald Fritzsche (DD0VS):
>> Hello Chris,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> strange is, that your Display does not show a frequency, but it should.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I had a water Intrusion in 2019 which causes several defects.
>> 
>> I was testing along the Signal path to see the Signal (with RSP-spectrum analyzer), that helped me, to find the defects. It tooks a while also with help of the list here.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Receiving is working?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Vy73 & GL
>> 
>> Harald
>> 
>> DD0VS
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Gesendet von Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> f?r Windows 10
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> *Von: *Christian Janssen DL1MGB <mailto:chris at dl1mgb.com>
>> *Gesendet: *Mittwoch, 24. M?rz 2021 21:05
>> *An: *elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> *Betreff: *[Elecraft] K3 - no output power
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> it happened during the Russian DX Contest last Saturday, from one second to another. No output. When I tune the display looks like this: http://dl1mgb.com/temp/k3_no_power.jpg
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Following conditions:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> - sending into a 50 ohm dummy load
>> 
>> - no matter how many watts are set with PWR knob
>> 
>> - Test mode off
>> 
>> - TX INH off
>> 
>> - all driver transistors working (three screw test)
>> 
>> - no output power also on external watt meter
>> 
>> - happens on all bands
>> 
>> - happens with KPA set to "not inst"
>> 
>> - knocking on housing doesn't change anything
>> 
>> - when starting the antenna tuner, it says 5.0 watts, but no output on the external watt meter
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I am running out of ideas :-)
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 73s Chris DL1MGB
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> 
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>> 
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From chris at dl1mgb.com  Thu Mar 25 02:07:04 2021
From: chris at dl1mgb.com (Christian Janssen DL1MGB)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 07:07:04 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - no output power
In-Reply-To: <1D75E1C4-45F1-4754-89CB-F1BB47E646C1@gmx.de>
References: <64623683-b07a-74fc-dffd-c33fddd61f36@dl1mgb.com>
	<E1lPAAq-00071g-Oy@raspberrypi>
	<dd0fd386-02d1-cf6b-f665-6cca8ad12168@dl1mgb.com>
	<1D75E1C4-45F1-4754-89CB-F1BB47E646C1@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <c9410919-7f1f-4e7b-a6e7-475225c53d9b@dl1mgb.com>

CB1 is OK, voltage is available after the breaker.

7R standby: 6 V / TUNE: 0,2 V
7T standby: 0 V / TUNE: 6 V

73s Chris


Am 25.03.2021 um 06:45 schrieb Harald Fritzsche:
> Hello Chris, all,
> 
> According to your current consumption the 10w PA driver is working, but KPA3 gets no input or has not 12V.
> Check CB1 CKT BKR (KPA3 page 1 of 2 in K3 schematics) and check if TR-Switch gets plausible voltages (KPA3 page 2 of 2, 7R and 7T).
> 
> Since there is no plausible idle current from KPA3 the CB1 seems to be defect, most likely.
> Not sure if this can happen.
> Or give me a call, # sent separetly.
> Vy73
> Harald
> DD0VS
> 
> .-.-. --... ...--     -.. -.. ----- ...- ...
> 
>> Am 25.03.2021 um 05:35 schrieb Christian Janssen DL1MGB <chris at dl1mgb.com>:
>>
>> I am not sure if there is a frequency shown when in TUNE mode. My memories tell me that the top line shows the SWR and the bottom line shows the power.
>>
>> 73s Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>> Am 24.03.2021 um 21:32 schrieb Harald Fritzsche (DD0VS):
>>> Hello Chris,
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> strange is, that your Display does not show a frequency, but it should.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> I had a water Intrusion in 2019 which causes several defects.
>>>
>>> I was testing along the Signal path to see the Signal (with RSP-spectrum analyzer), that helped me, to find the defects. It tooks a while also with help of the list here.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Receiving is working?
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Vy73 & GL
>>>
>>> Harald
>>>
>>> DD0VS
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Gesendet von Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> f?r Windows 10
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Von: *Christian Janssen DL1MGB <mailto:chris at dl1mgb.com>
>>> *Gesendet: *Mittwoch, 24. M?rz 2021 21:05
>>> *An: *elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>>> *Betreff: *[Elecraft] K3 - no output power
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> it happened during the Russian DX Contest last Saturday, from one second to another. No output. When I tune the display looks like this: http://dl1mgb.com/temp/k3_no_power.jpg
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Following conditions:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> - sending into a 50 ohm dummy load
>>>
>>> - no matter how many watts are set with PWR knob
>>>
>>> - Test mode off
>>>
>>> - TX INH off
>>>
>>> - all driver transistors working (three screw test)
>>>
>>> - no output power also on external watt meter
>>>
>>> - happens on all bands
>>>
>>> - happens with KPA set to "not inst"
>>>
>>> - knocking on housing doesn't change anything
>>>
>>> - when starting the antenna tuner, it says 5.0 watts, but no output on the external watt meter
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> I am running out of ideas :-)
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> 73s Chris DL1MGB
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>
>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>>
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From jeffvk4xa at gmail.com  Thu Mar 25 03:01:39 2021
From: jeffvk4xa at gmail.com (Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 00:01:39 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 WTB -  Filters and KDVR3
Message-ID: <1616655699415-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi everyone,
I have recently rejoined the Elecraft fold with K3 serial #3545
I am looking for a couple of filters for it as it is only fitted with the
stock 2.7KHz 5 pole SSB filter.
What I am after is a 1KHz 8 pole and a 2.1KHz 8 pole for it as well as the
KDVR3.
Does anyone out there have these at a reasonable price? (and who are willing
to ship the items to Australia)


Thanks in advance,

Jeff Cochrane VK4XA
Innisfail, Queensland,
Australia



-----
Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA
Innisfail, QLD, Australia.
K3 #3545

--
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Mar 25 03:58:47 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 00:58:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - no output power
In-Reply-To: <c6a1749b-6de9-0dcb-a329-b73aa2cfe381@dl1mgb.com>
References: <64623683-b07a-74fc-dffd-c33fddd61f36@dl1mgb.com>
	<E1lPAAq-00071g-Oy@raspberrypi>
	<917c0cea-e432-fddb-64ef-882c5c3fc9a7@dl1mgb.com>
	<605be8ee.1c69fb81.b0c20.a624@mx.google.com>
	<c6a1749b-6de9-0dcb-a329-b73aa2cfe381@dl1mgb.com>
Message-ID: <0c90f337-45da-d216-6a2e-f736b5f83f79@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 3/24/2021 9:28 PM, Christian Janssen DL1MGB wrote:
> I don't have a spectrum analyzer, but I will look with my eyes if there is something noticeable.

A frequency counter can also be a useful RF probe for your own TX

73, Jim K9YC

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Mar 25 04:02:28 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 01:02:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Why is my K3 off frequency?
In-Reply-To: <CAEA2n_dn0ivtyV5WNiuqwYjAA6svfyEK142LbdAtbSQeHrSoDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEA2n_dn0ivtyV5WNiuqwYjAA6svfyEK142LbdAtbSQeHrSoDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d6fd5450-37ef-2069-ead4-90c53b2834ed@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 3/23/2021 3:17 AM, Charles Tropp wrote:
> Last night the net control station advised me
> that I was 12Hz too high and that he had to use his RIT control to tune to
> me.

He's off by at least one decimal point, probably two. He needs to study 
the fundamentals of radio, frequency, and how stuff works. Anyone who 
worries about 12 Hz if he's not next to a band edge is either a fool or 
anal retentive.

73, Jim K9YC

From pincon at erols.com  Thu Mar 25 06:45:21 2021
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 06:45:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Why is my K3 off frequency?
In-Reply-To: <d6fd5450-37ef-2069-ead4-90c53b2834ed@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CAEA2n_dn0ivtyV5WNiuqwYjAA6svfyEK142LbdAtbSQeHrSoDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<d6fd5450-37ef-2069-ead4-90c53b2834ed@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <001801d72163$f8ad39e0$ea07ada0$@erols.com>

Are y'all STILL grousing over this?

Haven't you figured out yet it was all a big "gotcha" joke poking fun at the
"frequency police"???
Let's all have a big laugh and get on with life.
This subject was DOA anyway.

73, Charlie k3ICH


 


From k4ie_tom at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 25 09:32:39 2021
From: k4ie_tom at yahoo.com (Tom Fitzpatrick)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 13:32:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 power indication
References: <2015155866.158008.1616679159894.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2015155866.158008.1616679159894@mail.yahoo.com>

???? All of a sudden when I crank the power knob it only goes up to 12.5. However it is still putting out 80/90 Watts???

From oldmanshu at icloud.com  Thu Mar 25 10:08:38 2021
From: oldmanshu at icloud.com (Joseph Shuman)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 10:08:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Stick PC and Elecraft Software/Netlogger
Message-ID: <7F7958A0-9571-4654-8641-DB0B2255A054@icloud.com>

Anyone used a Stick PC in the shack with KX2/3 or KXPA100 software?  With Netlogger?  Has anyone tried to change the OS to Linux?  Looking for experience prior to purchase.  Thx in advance.

Keeping Watch-
shu
Joe Shuman, NZ8P

Unless someone like you 
cares a whole awful lot, 
nothing is going to get better. 
It?s not. -Dr. Seuss

From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Thu Mar 25 10:15:36 2021
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 09:15:36 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 power indication
In-Reply-To: <2015155866.158008.1616679159894@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2015155866.158008.1616679159894.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2015155866.158008.1616679159894@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2FBF0EA9-6403-4A1E-99CF-24DAF6D4FE2C@gmail.com>

Did you check to see if the PA option is selected?

-73-  Frank    KG9H
kg9hfrank at gmail.com




> On Mar 25, 2021, at 8:32 AM, Tom Fitzpatrick via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
>      All of a sudden when I crank the power knob it only goes up to 12.5. However it is still putting out 80/90 Watts???
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From jim.gmforum at gmail.com  Thu Mar 25 10:31:06 2021
From: jim.gmforum at gmail.com (Jim Borowski)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 09:31:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Fuse Issue
Message-ID: <605c9eac.1c69fb81.fe0f7.8105@mx.google.com>

Hi Allan?Up I know what the PX3 normally draws. ATC fuse does not h as ve a slow blow style. These are automobile fuses. Yup back in the day slow blow would be the answer but not this time. I am hesitant to try a 2 amp.Jim K9TFSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

From chris at dl1mgb.com  Thu Mar 25 11:04:41 2021
From: chris at dl1mgb.com (Christian Janssen DL1MGB)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 16:04:41 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - no output power
In-Reply-To: <64623683-b07a-74fc-dffd-c33fddd61f36@dl1mgb.com>
References: <64623683-b07a-74fc-dffd-c33fddd61f36@dl1mgb.com>
Message-ID: <5aa8a27c-f91a-9db3-7825-f6edab25b0f1@dl1mgb.com>

Hello,

together with Harald DD0VS, we narrowed it down to the diode D1 on the LPA board. I will now order the diode and some probably affected parts around the diode and start replacing and testing again.

I will report again.

Many thanks to all others with giving different hints!

73s Chris DL1MGB



Am 24.03.2021 um 21:03 schrieb Christian Janssen DL1MGB:
> Hello,
> 
> it happened during the Russian DX Contest last Saturday, from one second to another. No output. When I tune the display looks like this: http://dl1mgb.com/temp/k3_no_power.jpg
> 
> Following conditions:
> 
> - sending into a 50 ohm dummy load
> - no matter how many watts are set with PWR knob
> - Test mode off
> - TX INH off
> - all driver transistors working (three screw test)
> - no output power also on external watt meter
> - happens on all bands
> - happens with KPA set to "not inst"
> - knocking on housing doesn't change anything
> - when starting the antenna tuner, it says 5.0 watts, but no output on the external watt meter
> 
> I am running out of ideas :-)
> 
> 73s Chris DL1MGB
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From k3wjv at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 25 11:16:19 2021
From: k3wjv at yahoo.com (Bill Stravinsky)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 15:16:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Why is my K3 off frequency?
In-Reply-To: <001801d72163$f8ad39e0$ea07ada0$@erols.com>
References: <CAEA2n_dn0ivtyV5WNiuqwYjAA6svfyEK142LbdAtbSQeHrSoDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<d6fd5450-37ef-2069-ead4-90c53b2834ed@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<001801d72163$f8ad39e0$ea07ada0$@erols.com>
Message-ID: <910581271.136894.1616685379286@mail.yahoo.com>

I too couldn't believe all the advice given on how to properly ascertain you were on frequency on an ssb signal.? And just how do youzero beat an ssb signal?? You would have to know what the person actually sounds like in person for one thing.? Does he sound likeDonald Duck or Darth Vader?
Get real.
BillK3WJV


   On Thursday, March 25, 2021, 6:47:50 AM EDT, Charlie T <pincon at erols.com> wrote:  
 
 Are y'all STILL grousing over this?

Haven't you figured out yet it was all a big "gotcha" joke poking fun at the
"frequency police"???
Let's all have a big laugh and get on with life.
This subject was DOA anyway.

73, Charlie k3ICH


 

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From keith at elecraft.com  Thu Mar 25 12:07:49 2021
From: keith at elecraft.com (Keith Trinity WE6R)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 09:07:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - no output power
In-Reply-To: <5aa8a27c-f91a-9db3-7825-f6edab25b0f1@dl1mgb.com>
References: <5aa8a27c-f91a-9db3-7825-f6edab25b0f1@dl1mgb.com>
Message-ID: <91b7a1f8-c6cd-2bd3-8425-4accf0cbdbcd@elecraft.com>

Chris;
Since you EE INIT-ed your radio, you MUST re-load a known-good saved 
configuration!
Or setup all options, filters etc and do the transmit gain calibrations.
An EE INIT reset blanks the radio and sets it to ONE filter, (a 2.7, 
with no offset, in slot 1).
Keith WE6R Elecraft K3/K4 Tech


From dd0vs at gmx.de  Thu Mar 25 15:20:27 2021
From: dd0vs at gmx.de (Harald Fritzsche)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 20:20:27 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Power output problem K3
Message-ID: <trinity-9c1c667c-027c-48d7-9b48-da4da3881fde-1616700026982@3c-app-gmx-bs37>

Hi Steef, all,

well, intermittend or gone issues are hard to detect :-(

Based on your description, it is most likely that contact issues causes the symptoms described.
Or maybe a cold solder joint could cause such issues too.
I am saying that with care and respect, my K3/10 is #5921 and 10y young. Yours are older.
There is a certain chance that reliability is starting to degrade (10y is already a good age for electronics).

If you narrow down to the cause of the symptom, there is a good chance to correct a weak contact or similar topic (could be more than a solder joint  or a contact).

If i can help, let me know, if time allows, it will be provided.

stay healthy
vy73
Harald
DD0VS

---- original ----

Hi Chris and Harald,

I have a few problems with my K3 #1184 and my last problem looks like your power problem. A few weeks after last PACC Contest in February my K3 had no power output beyond 12 Watts. Tuning the rig and raising the power to 13 Watts and higher caused it to draw 18 Amps, independent of the power setting between 13 and 110 Watts. The KPA3 temp raised fast.

Curious to compare the problem with your K3 problem I warmed up the rig and I let it bounce hard on the table and the power was back and could be adjusted as usual.

13 years after assembling my K3 there must be loose contacts. In 2010 I had the 12V ERR problem and I received from Elecraft new IDE connectors for the KPA3.

Since about two years my new KSYN3A 's did not lock when the K3 was cold. After half an hour I let the front part of the bottom of the rig bounce on the table with the tilt stand folded back. After that the problem was always over. There must be some bad connectors and I also had a fluctuating KPA3 temperature which caused the cooling fans turning on and off irregularly. The temperature jumped up and down between 20 C and 41 C. The bounce on the table also solved this problem during the contests.

If you can 't find the error disassembling and reassebbling the K3 might be a way to check connector failures.

73s Steef PA2A
K2 K3 KPA500 KAT500



From victoryamerica at gmail.com  Thu Mar 25 15:26:31 2021
From: victoryamerica at gmail.com (Jacob)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 15:26:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Control Board Resistance Check Question (U4 and U6)
Message-ID: <CABPBnxuZhnKvZQvCMOKdxcZK5yYNUw6E54YNSc8uqyCbLRe5rw@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings!

I am building my second K2 and I have two questions, both on the Control
Board.

1) The U4 OUT 8V pin resistance check shows in the manual that it should be
between 3k and 7k. However, I'm showing about 10.8k.

2) The U6 pins 29 and 30 show in the manual that they should be between 70k
and 90k but I am showing 96k on both.

Should I be concerned about this?

Thank you :-)
Jacob - N3VH

From reillyjf at comcast.net  Thu Mar 25 15:35:38 2021
From: reillyjf at comcast.net (John Reilly)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 13:35:38 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Elecraft Support?
Message-ID: <185f8140-5ab7-4c7c-a6cf-a95b80a16a7b@comcast.net>

Last December, I posted a message concerning whether Elecraft is still 
supporting the K3. My K3s developed a problem with its 100w amplifier. 
Wayne quickly responded and confirmed Elecraft still supports the K3 
100%. A few days later, Doug from Customer Support contacted me.

Doug told me they have a K3 amplifier replacement program: you send them 
your amp and $100, and they send you a refurb'ed amp, built to the 
latest specs. He advised to expect a little delay due to the amp 
technician coming down with Covid. I promptly sent them my amp.

So, now they have had my amp (and $100) for three months, and I haven't 
heard a thing. I've requested status -- NOTHING!

Definitely NOT the customer service I expect from Elecraft.
 ? - John, N0TA

From jimk0xu at gmail.com  Thu Mar 25 18:19:03 2021
From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 16:19:03 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Transmit audio issues on internal sound card.
Message-ID: <CALhxr4ZMuNjbmqN02rH3qmaLd+N2jVUjRw6Mhe0tWRCVHOLSaA@mail.gmail.com>

I am suddenly having issues with transmit audio running digital modes using
the internal sound card on my K3. Audio will sometimes have static on it,
sometimes drop out while transmitting, sometimes have no audio at all and
even sometimes work just fine. One transmit may be fine, next crappy audio,
next no audio, changes seemingly with every transmit. Matters not if I am
actually transmitting, using dummy load or tx test mode so it isn't an RF
issue. I do have a request in with Elecraft support but wondering if anyone
else has had issues with the upgraded i/o module.

-- 
Jim K0XU
jim at rhodesend.net

From w5sv.dave at gmail.com  Thu Mar 25 19:03:02 2021
From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 23:03:02 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Mode not Switching with band change?
Message-ID: <053a640b-2c25-0194-fa40-f8674f161558@gmail.com>

I am running an Elecraft K3 and a KPA1500 amplifier. I use the DXLab 
Suite of programs for logging, rig control and so on.

If I do a manual band change on either the K3 or using the KPA1500 and 
change back and forth between 15m and 40m, the side band changes 
appropriately.

If I do it using the Commander Bandspread window buttons and go from 15 
to 40, it stays in USB.? I can then do a MODE ALT to get the correct 
mode, but it doesn't stick if I go back and forth.

FWIW, going to 80 has the same issue...

I suspect the K3/KPA1500 set are working correctly since the only 
misbehavior is when I do it with Commander.

Has anyone else seen this, fixed it, or have any hints?


From lists at subich.com  Thu Mar 25 20:13:12 2021
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 20:13:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Mode not Switching with band change?
In-Reply-To: <053a640b-2c25-0194-fa40-f8674f161558@gmail.com>
References: <053a640b-2c25-0194-fa40-f8674f161558@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8caf1d7f-05c4-b40f-3176-23342eb8f1fa@subich.com>


The Band buttons in DXLab Suite/Commander's Bandspread window are each a
band stack.  They store the last five frequencies visited on each band.
If the last frequency/mode on 40 meters was USB, that is what will be
recalled.  If the last frequency on 40 meters was CW, that will be
recalled. You can step through the five frequencies by repeated clicks
on the band button.

Note:  the frequency/mode is saved in the band stack *after* the dwell
time has expired.  If your dwell time is 30 seconds but you bounce
around every 5 seconds, the band stack will not be updated

See the Help file for Commander (click the Help button in Commander's
Bandspread window and select "actions in the Bandspread window").

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2021-03-25 7:03 PM, David F. Reed wrote:
> I am running an Elecraft K3 and a KPA1500 amplifier. I use the DXLab 
> Suite of programs for logging, rig control and so on.
> 
> If I do a manual band change on either the K3 or using the KPA1500 and 
> change back and forth between 15m and 40m, the side band changes 
> appropriately.
> 
> If I do it using the Commander Bandspread window buttons and go from 15 
> to 40, it stays in USB.? I can then do a MODE ALT to get the correct 
> mode, but it doesn't stick if I go back and forth.
> 
> FWIW, going to 80 has the same issue...
> 
> I suspect the K3/KPA1500 set are working correctly since the only 
> misbehavior is when I do it with Commander.
> 
> Has anyone else seen this, fixed it, or have any hints?
> 


From aa6yq at ambersoft.com  Thu Mar 25 20:44:58 2021
From: aa6yq at ambersoft.com (Dave AA6YQ)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 20:44:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [DXLab] Mode not Switching with band change?
In-Reply-To: <053a640b-2c25-0194-fa40-f8674f161558@gmail.com>
References: <053a640b-2c25-0194-fa40-f8674f161558@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <141f01d721d9$3fd17370$bf745a50$@ambersoft.com>

+ AA6YQ comments below

I am running an Elecraft K3 and a KPA1500 amplifier. I use the DXLab Suite of programs for logging, rig control and so on.

If I do a manual band change on either the K3 or using the KPA1500 and change back and forth between 15m and 40m, the side band changes appropriately.

If I do it using the Commander Bandspread window buttons and go from 15 to 40, it stays in USB.  I can then do a MODE ALT to get the correct mode, but it doesn't stick if I go back and forth.

FWIW, going to 80 has the same issue...

+ "Changing frequency via the Bandspread window"

+ "Commander remembers the last 5 frequencies you visited on each band, and the mode in use for each such visit; this information is stored in a Band Stack associated with each band. If you QSY the radio, and then let it remain on a frequency for longer than the dwell time setting, the new frequency and mode will be saved on the appropriate Band Stack. The Bandspread window's Band panel contains a button for each band between 160m and 33cm. Clicking a band button sets the radio's frequency to the most recent frequency used on that band, sets its mode to the mode in use at that time, and clears Split; the Band Stack is then advanced, so that clicking the same band button a second time sets the frequency/mode to the next-most-recent frequency/mode used on that band. Using this mechanism, you can QSY to the most recent 5 frequencies."

https://www.dxlabsuite.com/commander/Help/ChangingFrequency.htm#Changing%20frequency%20via%20the%20Bandspread%20window

       73,

              Dave, AA6YQ


From randyn1kwf at gmail.com  Thu Mar 25 20:44:04 2021
From: randyn1kwf at gmail.com (Randy Lake)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 20:44:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Elecraft Support?
In-Reply-To: <185f8140-5ab7-4c7c-a6cf-a95b80a16a7b@comcast.net>
References: <185f8140-5ab7-4c7c-a6cf-a95b80a16a7b@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CACnmA1MF_uBYk7Y2NEH-012B=iL6Nq3MHgm5BwzptJK0pL64iQ@mail.gmail.com>

You are not alone John. I can only imagine the position they must be in
with supply and employee issues. It does not excuse the lack of
communication.
I had an issue with my KIO3B. They did not have any replacement boards so I
was told to send in mine and they would repair. This was in January when I
sent it out. The only communication I have received has been their receipt
acknowledgement and I have reached out a few times.
Tough times !
Randy N1KWF

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 3:36 PM John Reilly <reillyjf at comcast.net> wrote:

> Last December, I posted a message concerning whether Elecraft is still
> supporting the K3. My K3s developed a problem with its 100w amplifier.
> Wayne quickly responded and confirmed Elecraft still supports the K3
> 100%. A few days later, Doug from Customer Support contacted me.
>
> Doug told me they have a K3 amplifier replacement program: you send them
> your amp and $100, and they send you a refurb'ed amp, built to the
> latest specs. He advised to expect a little delay due to the amp
> technician coming down with Covid. I promptly sent them my amp.
>
> So, now they have had my amp (and $100) for three months, and I haven't
> heard a thing. I've requested status -- NOTHING!
>
> Definitely NOT the customer service I expect from Elecraft.
>    - John, N0TA
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From rwnewbould at comcast.net  Thu Mar 25 21:00:01 2021
From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 21:00:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Elecraft Support?
In-Reply-To: <CACnmA1MF_uBYk7Y2NEH-012B=iL6Nq3MHgm5BwzptJK0pL64iQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <185f8140-5ab7-4c7c-a6cf-a95b80a16a7b@comcast.net>
	<CACnmA1MF_uBYk7Y2NEH-012B=iL6Nq3MHgm5BwzptJK0pL64iQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b29e5745-72d4-df97-2449-dafb4271e9d8@comcast.net>

I have given up on getting a response.

My issue was getting some attention and I was asked for some data, which 
I sent.

Then more data was requested and I sent that.

Then I never heard back.

Covid or No-Covid,? working from home or office,? Email works.

No excuse for lack of communications.?? Even if the answer is we are too 
busy to help you.

I have given up and find it a waste of time to contact them again.

I will just move on to something else.

Rich

K3RWN

On 3/25/2021 20:44 PM, Randy Lake wrote:
> You are not alone John. I can only imagine the position they must be in
> with supply and employee issues. It does not excuse the lack of
> communication.
> I had an issue with my KIO3B. They did not have any replacement boards so I
> was told to send in mine and they would repair. This was in January when I
> sent it out. The only communication I have received has been their receipt
> acknowledgement and I have reached out a few times.
> Tough times !
> Randy N1KWF
>
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 3:36 PM John Reilly <reillyjf at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Last December, I posted a message concerning whether Elecraft is still
>> supporting the K3. My K3s developed a problem with its 100w amplifier.
>> Wayne quickly responded and confirmed Elecraft still supports the K3
>> 100%. A few days later, Doug from Customer Support contacted me.
>>
>> Doug told me they have a K3 amplifier replacement program: you send them
>> your amp and $100, and they send you a refurb'ed amp, built to the
>> latest specs. He advised to expect a little delay due to the amp
>> technician coming down with Covid. I promptly sent them my amp.
>>
>> So, now they have had my amp (and $100) for three months, and I haven't
>> heard a thing. I've requested status -- NOTHING!
>>
>> Definitely NOT the customer service I expect from Elecraft.
>>     - John, N0TA
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>
>

From k7jto.john at gmail.com  Thu Mar 25 22:32:08 2021
From: k7jto.john at gmail.com (k7jto.john at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 20:32:08 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Recurring Failure on Tuning
Message-ID: <86847726-5FB3-400B-80BD-E032A5A704DF@hxcore.ol>


From kj_mcgrath at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 26 01:46:47 2021
From: kj_mcgrath at yahoo.com (Kevin McGrath)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 05:46:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Arrgh! I put 12volts into K3  antenna connector!
References: <1196382281.258037.1616737607980.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1196382281.258037.1616737607980@mail.yahoo.com>

I accidentally hooked up a bias tee (DC power injector) backwards, which? put +12V into the K3's antenna connector. The results were not good: a burning smell from the rear of radio. The radio was in QRP mode (<10watts, so PA bypassed?) on 40m when it happened.

RX appears to be fine. The radio still makes 100W out, but the SWR reads 99.9 on all bands (into a dummy load).? Also, the power control has no effect - power out is always 100W. 

Looking at the schematic, T4 in the SWR bridge certainly would have been fried by applying 12V to the antenna connector.

What else did I damage? 

KevinK6TOP


From jeffvk4xa at gmail.com  Fri Mar 26 02:00:08 2021
From: jeffvk4xa at gmail.com (Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 23:00:08 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 WTB 1.8KHz, 15KHz Filters + KDVR3 please.
Message-ID: <1616738408514-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

As per the topic, 
I'm after a 1.8KHz Filter, a 15KHz filter and a KDVR3 for my K3 at a
reasonable price please.
(Yes, I know that Inrad still sell them but I'm hoping to find something
cheaper in here)

Thanks in advance,

Jeff Cochrane VK4XA
Innisfail, Queensland
Australia




-----
Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA
Innisfail, QLD, Australia.
K3 #3545

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From n4kd at bellsouth.net  Fri Mar 26 07:14:20 2021
From: n4kd at bellsouth.net (n4kd)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 06:14:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Arrgh! I put 12volts into K3  antenna connector!
In-Reply-To: <1196382281.258037.1616737607980@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1196382281.258037.1616737607980@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B256D699-C3CF-49D5-A92A-6C9D6CC0A9D9@bellsouth.net>

Hi Kevin,
The same thing happened to me when a bias-t failed. The damage was limited to the SWR circuitry. If I recall, T4 was replaced and a burnt trace on the pcb was repaired.

- 73,
Dave N4KD

> On Mar 26, 2021, at 00:48, Kevin McGrath via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I accidentally hooked up a bias tee (DC power injector) backwards, which  put +12V into the K3's antenna connector. The results were not good: a burning smell from the rear of radio. The radio was in QRP mode (<10watts, so PA bypassed?) on 40m when it happened.
> 
> RX appears to be fine. The radio still makes 100W out, but the SWR reads 99.9 on all bands (into a dummy load).  Also, the power control has no effect - power out is always 100W. 
> 
> Looking at the schematic, T4 in the SWR bridge certainly would have been fried by applying 12V to the antenna connector.
> 
> What else did I damage? 
> 
> KevinK6TOP
> 
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From dk3red at darc.de  Fri Mar 26 08:15:03 2021
From: dk3red at darc.de (Ingo Meyer DK3RED)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 13:15:03 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Ham Radio 2021 Friedrichshafen/Germany cancelled
Message-ID: <3c816b3f-adea-06be-e6c5-63132cd79fb8@darc.de>

The Ham Radio 2021, which was to take place from 25 to 27 June 2021 in 
Friedrichshafen/Germany, was cancelled. Next date: 24 to 26 June 2022.

73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de

From dk3red at darc.de  Fri Mar 26 08:15:44 2021
From: dk3red at darc.de (Ingo Meyer DK3RED)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 13:15:44 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Ham Radio 2021 Friedrichshafen/Germany cancelled
Message-ID: <2fc1a636-2ead-46ca-49f3-1b6ae3c0c4d4@darc.de>

The Ham Radio 2021, which was to take place from 25 to 27 June 2021 in 
Friedrichshafen/Germany, was cancelled. Next date: 24 to 26 June 2022.

73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de

From a.durbin at msn.com  Fri Mar 26 10:55:05 2021
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 14:55:05 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Arrgh! I put 12volts into K3 antenna connector!
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB2968027F5DF07C03C043E2418C619@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

I had some "adventures" with a bias T pair used to power a remote tuner and the drive motor for my mag loop capacitor.  I reduced the risk of future "adventures" by using a current limited power supply set to the minimum current needed for intended function.

If the high current station supply is used it would seem prudent to fuse the bias T feed.

Andy, k3wyc

From ltfiore at aol.com  Fri Mar 26 16:35:23 2021
From: ltfiore at aol.com (Louis Fiore)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:35:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Temperature
References: <1700137224.907978.1616790923572.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1700137224.907978.1616790923572@mail.yahoo.com>

Good afternoon,
Can someone please tell me what is the highest safe temperature I should see with a KPA1500 amplifier?
73, Lou W2LTF

From hhoyt at mebtel.net  Fri Mar 26 16:53:49 2021
From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 16:53:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 Heatsinks
Message-ID: <03ee6256-8641-bcbc-69fa-a4d51c5eb04d@mebtel.net>

Hi all,
A member of the Elecraft-KX list suggested I should cross-post this 
here, so:

Spring has arrived with summer heat coming soon, and having your rig 
reduce power during a QSO is not fun.? We want to help every KX2 and KX3 
owner keep their rigs cool, so we are having a Spring Heatsink Sale.? In 
addition the Kx32 in conjunction with the GEMS cover makes the rig near 
indestructable!? From now until the end of April the model Kx32 Ultimate 
Heatsink for the Elecraft? KX3 and the Kx22 Heatsink for the Elecraft? 
KX2 will be on sale at 10% off.? Just enter HSS21 in the Coupon Code box 
at checkout.? See more detailed information at: 
https://proaudioeng.com/elecraft-heatsinks/

Cheers & 73,
Howie / WA4PSC
www.proaudioeng.com

From keith at elecraft.com  Fri Mar 26 18:19:12 2021
From: keith at elecraft.com (Keith Trinity WE6R)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 15:19:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Arrgh! I put 12volts into K3 antenna connector!
In-Reply-To: <1196382281.258037.1616737607980@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1196382281.258037.1616737607980@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ebdcd5f8-10dd-4b6d-fee0-ef67bb592abb@elecraft.com>

Hi Kevin;
If it is a K3"S" there is a trace on the bottom of the board that burns 
before T4 cooks. A simple jumper will fix.
If K3, then T4 is probably cooked. There is also a loop of insulated 
wire that goes up and over and down thru T4.(awkward, but probably OK).
Take the top cover off, you can look down there next to the KAT3 or 
KANT3 board to asses.
We have some T4s in the Tech-parts area, when you order, you may need to 
tell them to look there.
Our # is E690126
Keith WE6R Elecraft K3/K4 Tech



From julia at juliatuttle.net  Fri Mar 26 18:31:22 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 18:31:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 Heatsinks
In-Reply-To: <03ee6256-8641-bcbc-69fa-a4d51c5eb04d@mebtel.net>
References: <03ee6256-8641-bcbc-69fa-a4d51c5eb04d@mebtel.net>
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrPun=mF2Mqw0uCaHXWANsNGfWnAXCgLwEWwE3h+Rco+-g@mail.gmail.com>

I have one of these and I love it -- I don't have to think twice about
running 15 W on FT8 or JS8Call.

(I also like their power supply -- I don't (yet) need the amperage the
SS-30DV can put out, it's a lot easier to drag to my girlfriend's house,
and it hasn't caused any RFI issues )

73,

Julie


On Fri, Mar 26, 2021, 16:54 Howard Hoyt <hhoyt at mebtel.net> wrote:

> Hi all,
> A member of the Elecraft-KX list suggested I should cross-post this
> here, so:
>
> Spring has arrived with summer heat coming soon, and having your rig
> reduce power during a QSO is not fun.  We want to help every KX2 and KX3
> owner keep their rigs cool, so we are having a Spring Heatsink Sale.  In
> addition the Kx32 in conjunction with the GEMS cover makes the rig near
> indestructable!  From now until the end of April the model Kx32 Ultimate
> Heatsink for the Elecraft? KX3 and the Kx22 Heatsink for the Elecraft?
> KX2 will be on sale at 10% off.  Just enter HSS21 in the Coupon Code box
> at checkout.  See more detailed information at:
> https://proaudioeng.com/elecraft-heatsinks/
>
> Cheers & 73,
> Howie / WA4PSC
> www.proaudioeng.com
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From ae6lx at worldwidedx.com  Fri Mar 26 21:01:16 2021
From: ae6lx at worldwidedx.com (Tim Tucker)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 18:01:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 5.93??
Message-ID: <CALuSmOfwT+eqx2LpAGF51qdYRSppxxyO0FkfTAWomrJmL3sAwA@mail.gmail.com>

I just received the K3 AUX cable for the KPA1500.  The manual makes
references to needing K3 MCU 5.93 or later for some of the features.  But
the latest MCU available on the Elecraft website is 5.67...I even checked
the FTP for beta versions.  Does anyone have any insight on where to obtain
this version of the K3 MCU?

Tim
-- 
Owner, worldwidedx.com
AE6LX, Amateur Radio

From k7jto.john at gmail.com  Fri Mar 26 22:27:58 2021
From: k7jto.john at gmail.com (John Overbaugh)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:27:58 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Recurring Failure on Tuning
Message-ID: <CAN3VDvF-c+UgjEz29de+mBz3g1-3YxuE7AK20-3W4JakM5QFyw@mail.gmail.com>

Tried to send this earlier but... HTML mail...

I am consistently seeing ?Ant Err? when I try to tune my KX3 with the
KXPA100 inline in auto mode.
+ KX3 latest rev
+ KXPA100 latest rev
+ KXAT100 installed
+ KXPACBL all connected
The KX3 will get a solid 1:2 match on this antenna, just fine, all
bands, and of course the dummy load is fine when it?s connected
directly to the KX3.

On either antenna connection, with an antenna or the dummy load, the
SWR comes up at about 50, 60 or higher and the rig shows ?Ant Err?
after trying to tune for quite some time. This happens regardless of
whether it?s the dummy load or the actual antenna.

I?ve disassembled the amp to make sure I didn?t miss anything (it
appears I did not). I?ve also made sure I have the antennas connected
correctly within the amp (from Ant 1 and Ant 2 in to the small
connection on the tuner board). I noted there is no wire connecting
the tuner board and the ?mother board? (I am hoping this is correct).
I carefully followed each step in the build process (I did the
self-build option, just so I could learn like on days like these).

I can only assume I?ve missed some simple step, but for the life of me
I?m not sure what it could be.

The fault table only shows ?A NO MATCH? fault codes after each attempt
at tuning.

Any help would be much appreciated!

73 de K7JTO
John O.
Salt Lake City, UT

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Fri Mar 26 22:47:17 2021
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 19:47:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 5.93??
In-Reply-To: <CALuSmOfwT+eqx2LpAGF51qdYRSppxxyO0FkfTAWomrJmL3sAwA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALuSmOfwT+eqx2LpAGF51qdYRSppxxyO0FkfTAWomrJmL3sAwA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0DDD563B-F329-4499-9AA3-1A479234143A@elecraft.com>

Typo. Should have said 5.63, I believe.

Wayne
N6KR


> On Mar 26, 2021, at 6:01 PM, Tim Tucker <ae6lx at worldwidedx.com> wrote:
> 
> I just received the K3 AUX cable for the KPA1500.  The manual makes
> references to needing K3 MCU 5.93 or later for some of the features.  But
> the latest MCU available on the Elecraft website is 5.67...I even checked
> the FTP for beta versions.  Does anyone have any insight on where to obtain
> this version of the K3 MCU?
> 
> Tim
> -- 
> Owner, worldwidedx.com
> AE6LX, Amateur Radio
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From ae6lx at worldwidedx.com  Sat Mar 27 00:14:14 2021
From: ae6lx at worldwidedx.com (Tim Tucker)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 21:14:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 MCU 5.93??
In-Reply-To: <0DDD563B-F329-4499-9AA3-1A479234143A@elecraft.com>
References: <CALuSmOfwT+eqx2LpAGF51qdYRSppxxyO0FkfTAWomrJmL3sAwA@mail.gmail.com>
	<0DDD563B-F329-4499-9AA3-1A479234143A@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CALuSmOd+mrqDyU7W0u63Z_E7=fMN5vGxJVbwcoks=mx_gsH1QA@mail.gmail.com>

After playing with it this evening, I can confirm everything is working as
intended.  Typos happen...no biggie

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 7:47 PM Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> Typo. Should have said 5.63, I believe.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> > On Mar 26, 2021, at 6:01 PM, Tim Tucker <ae6lx at worldwidedx.com> wrote:
> >
> > I just received the K3 AUX cable for the KPA1500.  The manual makes
> > references to needing K3 MCU 5.93 or later for some of the features.  But
> > the latest MCU available on the Elecraft website is 5.67...I even checked
> > the FTP for beta versions.  Does anyone have any insight on where to
> obtain
> > this version of the K3 MCU?
> >
> > Tim
> > --
> > Owner, worldwidedx.com
> > AE6LX, Amateur Radio
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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> >
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> > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com
>
>

-- 
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AE6LX, Amateur Radio

From wt3igene at gmail.com  Sat Mar 27 07:55:50 2021
From: wt3igene at gmail.com (Gene)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 07:55:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Bias-set Procedure
Message-ID: <CAL+KujdapmHuBFXjeVRVusiSk8JoJgdva42pdYWOCcHdYXATXg@mail.gmail.com>

I am looking for the procedure to set the bias after replacing the finals
in the KPA500.  Any advice would be most appreciated.

From pvandyke1953 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 27 10:30:22 2021
From: pvandyke1953 at gmail.com (Paul Van Dyke)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 10:30:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 75 meter Net and Location 01:00 Sunday Night/Monday
Message-ID: <CAEPKcUmheC-icbLd2NneTAeOuB-U1hE162tw4Kb-cy60trfy=Q@mail.gmail.com>

I am moving us a small distance away...
Please take note of 3.775 .... 3.775 at 01:00 UTC
AND there is the chance someone will be there ...
75m is funny that way
Sunday night in the US and Monday morning in UTC Land

Keep smiling and be safe
"See" you on the Nets

73   Paul Van Dyke   KB9AVO

From aa4vt.dave at gmail.com  Sat Mar 27 11:06:27 2021
From: aa4vt.dave at gmail.com (David Needham)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 11:06:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Power Supply noise
Message-ID: <CALNJPz0p5o-HsD5cy2z1XWFeSnr-FjptRJ3xyr6zYdkypoTKyQ@mail.gmail.com>

My KPA1500 Power Supply is making a noise that has gotten progressively
louder over time when I transmit. It sounds like a hissing (but it is not
arcing) when I transmit. The noise is modulated by SSB speech or CW or
digital modes keying, louder at higher power levels now during the CQWW WPX
Phone contest.

I am pretty sure it is not RF getting into the Power Supply. I have
followed K9YC practices of bonding the K3, KPA1500 Power Supply and RF
decks to the ground bus. All cables going into and between are wound on
snap on or toroid ferrites.

Has anyone else run across this? I plan to open up the power supply and
check for loose parts and do some more testing after the contest.

-- 
Thank you!
David Needham, AA4VT (formerly K4AJA and K8AJA)

From exbpi at comcast.net  Sat Mar 27 12:16:27 2021
From: exbpi at comcast.net (exbpi at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 09:16:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 PA to Motherboard Pin Connection Workaround Mod
Message-ID: <001301d72324$8d3710b0$a7a53210$@comcast.net>

Will someone on the list who has the workaround mod supplied by Elecraft
Support to bypass or repair the pin connections of the PA to motherboard on
the K3 email them to me?

 

Thanks

 

Mike

K7PI

exbpi at comcast.net <mailto:exbpi at comcast.net> 

 


From n4zr at comcast.net  Sat Mar 27 12:20:05 2021
From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 12:20:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Power Supply noise
In-Reply-To: <CALNJPz0p5o-HsD5cy2z1XWFeSnr-FjptRJ3xyr6zYdkypoTKyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALNJPz0p5o-HsD5cy2z1XWFeSnr-FjptRJ3xyr6zYdkypoTKyQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <03b4a26e-1744-fa07-5fe0-63ee41a60333@comcast.net>

Not heard here, although my KPA-1500 gets fairly heavy use.? Power 
supply is on the floor, which no doubt helps with noise.

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
web server at <http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

On 3/27/2021 11:06 AM, David Needham wrote:
> My KPA1500 Power Supply is making a noise that has gotten progressively
> louder over time when I transmit. It sounds like a hissing (but it is not
> arcing) when I transmit. The noise is modulated by SSB speech or CW or
> digital modes keying, louder at higher power levels now during the CQWW WPX
> Phone contest.
>
> I am pretty sure it is not RF getting into the Power Supply. I have
> followed K9YC practices of bonding the K3, KPA1500 Power Supply and RF
> decks to the ground bus. All cables going into and between are wound on
> snap on or toroid ferrites.
>
> Has anyone else run across this? I plan to open up the power supply and
> check for loose parts and do some more testing after the contest.
>

From n4zr at comcast.net  Sat Mar 27 12:23:03 2021
From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 12:23:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] How and How Often to Clean KPA-1500 Cooling Systems?
Message-ID: <f3fe25c7-a97e-1701-9fbc-33cb4b1e5e19@comcast.net>

The other day I noticed some buildup of dust on the top vents of my 
power supply.? I used a vacuum on them and was surprised by how much 
appeared to come out from inside.? This raised a question - how often is 
it recommended to clean the cooling systems of the amp and its power 
supply, and what's the best way to do it?

-- 
73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
web server at <http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.


From exbpi at comcast.net  Sat Mar 27 13:47:16 2021
From: exbpi at comcast.net (exbpi at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 10:47:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 PA to Motherboard Pin Connection Workaround Mod
In-Reply-To: <emf8de0c9b-b053-400f-baf1-25b92ee7ff9a@g4gnx>
References: <001301d72324$8d3710b0$a7a53210$@comcast.net>
	<emf8de0c9b-b053-400f-baf1-25b92ee7ff9a@g4gnx>
Message-ID: <003901d72331$434da290$c9e8e7b0$@comcast.net>

Thanks Alan and Ken, K6MR...have what I need from both. 

Great help...thank you

Mike
K7PI

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan - G4GNX <g4gnx at g4gnx.com> 
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 10:24 AM
To: exbpi at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 PA to Motherboard Pin Connection Workaround Mod

Is the attached what you're looking for?

73,

Alan. G4GNX


------ Original Message ------
From: exbpi at comcast.net
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Sent: 27/03/2021 16:16:27
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 PA to Motherboard Pin Connection Workaround Mod

>Will someone on the list who has the workaround mod supplied by 
>Elecraft Support to bypass or repair the pin connections of the PA to 
>motherboard on the K3 email them to me?
>
>
>
>Thanks
>
>
>
>Mike
>
>K7PI
>
>exbpi at comcast.net <mailto:exbpi at comcast.net>
>


From chris at dl1mgb.com  Sat Mar 27 13:51:15 2021
From: chris at dl1mgb.com (Christian Janssen DL1MGB)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 18:51:15 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - no output power
In-Reply-To: <64623683-b07a-74fc-dffd-c33fddd61f36@dl1mgb.com>
References: <64623683-b07a-74fc-dffd-c33fddd61f36@dl1mgb.com>
Message-ID: <099ca170-c39f-4e45-160b-4d95130fe02b@dl1mgb.com>

Hi all,

just wanted to let you know that my K3 is back again with full output power.

We found the Diode D1 on the LPA board. On the anode side, it had shown full power, on the other side, nothing. When unsoldering it, it was already very loose. The diode itself was intact, but had no contact at all. Most probably it got loose after heating up and unsoldering itself. New diode soldered in, TUNE, smoke. After comparing some voltages around the diode, we found Q6 to be faulty. That's why more than the maximum rated current of 1A flowed through the diode. Changed also the transistor and now everything was working again, full power, no smoke, no smell.

Most probably, it has to do with the same problem as DK3WE already experienced 8 years ago: http://www.the-mule.de/?p=1275#more-1275 

Many thanks again for DD0VS for helping me in finding the faulty parts!

73s Chris DL1MGB




Am 24.03.2021 um 21:03 schrieb Christian Janssen DL1MGB:
> Hello,
> 
> it happened during the Russian DX Contest last Saturday, from one second to another. No output. When I tune the display looks like this: http://dl1mgb.com/temp/k3_no_power.jpg
> 
> Following conditions:
> 
> - sending into a 50 ohm dummy load
> - no matter how many watts are set with PWR knob
> - Test mode off
> - TX INH off
> - all driver transistors working (three screw test)
> - no output power also on external watt meter
> - happens on all bands
> - happens with KPA set to "not inst"
> - knocking on housing doesn't change anything
> - when starting the antenna tuner, it says 5.0 watts, but no output on the external watt meter
> 
> I am running out of ideas :-)
> 
> 73s Chris DL1MGB
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From tvtommy at mac.com  Sat Mar 27 14:42:45 2021
From: tvtommy at mac.com (Tom Ewing)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 13:42:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Kpa500 not playing with my IC-7600
Message-ID: <44DB408A-4A0D-43F5-B89D-6EF686A06D57@mac.com>


Good day, and thanks for reading. 

My newly acquired KPA500 doesn?t want to play with my IC-7600. 

In operate mode when I key the radio, the LEDs on the KPA500 display solid into the yellow, and there is no output. The amp is not faulting. 

I?m using an Icom 7 pin DIN cable (two actually from two different vendors) and tried two different radios, both IC-7600s with the same result. 

In the KPA menus, I have set the ?radio? option to ?analog?. 

Am I missing something else?

Thanks in advance. 

Tom
W0XXX



From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Mar 27 14:44:35 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 11:44:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] How and How Often to Clean KPA-1500 Cooling Systems?
In-Reply-To: <f3fe25c7-a97e-1701-9fbc-33cb4b1e5e19@comcast.net>
References: <f3fe25c7-a97e-1701-9fbc-33cb4b1e5e19@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <e2edc226-50e2-61f6-f25d-81f45fb966c9@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 3/27/2021 9:23 AM, N4ZR wrote:
> The other day I noticed some buildup of dust on the top vents of my 
> power supply.

Neighbor K6XX is the mfg engineer for both of Elecraft's amps. Bob lost 
everything (except one of his towers) in a big wildfire this summer, 
along with three other hams I know. For a contest a few months ago, he 
borrowed my KPA1500, and when he returned it, told me it was super 
dusty. My shack is pretty dusty, and I was running the fans all the 
time, often at a high setting, because I use WSJT modes on 6M and 160 a 
lot. His advice was to set the fan speed default to zero and let the amp 
determine the fan speed. Using 120 sec TX cycles at 1kW on 160, I've 
seen 95C temps, and the amp is still happy. I wouldn't do that on 6M, 
where the amp is least efficient.

73, Jim K9YC

From n4zr at comcast.net  Sat Mar 27 16:08:05 2021
From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 16:08:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] How and How Often to Clean KPA-1500 Cooling Systems?
In-Reply-To: <e2edc226-50e2-61f6-f25d-81f45fb966c9@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <f3fe25c7-a97e-1701-9fbc-33cb4b1e5e19@comcast.net>
	<e2edc226-50e2-61f6-f25d-81f45fb966c9@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <8be02ba8-93a1-57d4-916d-95fbdebe9f54@comcast.net>

I'm uncomfortable with temp above 70C.? I infer from the manual that the 
displayed temp is that of the final transistor heat sink, and they say 
it will hard fault at 112C.? Not in my shack!? Still looking for an 
answer to the cleaning question, though, particularly for the power supply.

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
web server at <http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

On 3/27/2021 2:44 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 3/27/2021 9:23 AM, N4ZR wrote:
>> The other day I noticed some buildup of dust on the top vents of my 
>> power supply.
>
> Neighbor K6XX is the mfg engineer for both of Elecraft's amps. Bob 
> lost everything (except one of his towers) in a big wildfire this 
> summer, along with three other hams I know. For a contest a few months 
> ago, he borrowed my KPA1500, and when he returned it, told me it was 
> super dusty. My shack is pretty dusty, and I was running the fans all 
> the time, often at a high setting, because I use WSJT modes on 6M and 
> 160 a lot. His advice was to set the fan speed default to zero and let 
> the amp determine the fan speed. Using 120 sec TX cycles at 1kW on 
> 160, I've seen 95C temps, and the amp is still happy. I wouldn't do 
> that on 6M, where the amp is least efficient.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
> ______________________________________________________________
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From k6mr at outlook.com  Sat Mar 27 18:22:51 2021
From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 22:22:51 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] How and How Often to Clean KPA-1500 Cooling Systems?
In-Reply-To: <8be02ba8-93a1-57d4-916d-95fbdebe9f54@comcast.net>
References: <f3fe25c7-a97e-1701-9fbc-33cb4b1e5e19@comcast.net>
	<e2edc226-50e2-61f6-f25d-81f45fb966c9@audiosystemsgroup.com>,
	<8be02ba8-93a1-57d4-916d-95fbdebe9f54@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BYAPR07MB6214CDC56A6C16894C5A71889E609@BYAPR07MB6214.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

As you know, I run my amp in a single amp, SO2R configuration.  During a heavy 2BSIQ session on RTTY, temps reach 90 deg C.  Fans go to 5 occasionally.  Not a problem.  Don?t worry.

My power supply does get quite the dust bunny on top.  I just hit it with the vacuum every week when doing the shack.  I haven?t noticed the same problem with the RF deck.  Perhaps with the fans on super high speed it blows itself out.  I?ve had the power supply case off twice, and didn?t see a build up internally.  So I?m pretty sure it?s not an issue if you vacuum it regularly.

I have the amp and power supply in a bookshelf type cabinet in the closet.  One thing I did when I first set it up was to make a seal around the back of the RF desk.  It is a piece of cardboard, stapled to the back edge of the bookshelf, and cut to just fit around the rear of the amp.  This keeps the amp from sucking in hot exhaust from the top vents back into the amp.  Of course this won?t be a problem if you have the amp on a desk with nothing above it.  I have the minimum recommended clearance of 2? above the amp, and 4? above the power supply.

Ken K6MR

From: N4ZR<mailto:n4zr at comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 13:09
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] How and How Often to Clean KPA-1500 Cooling Systems?

I'm uncomfortable with temp above 70C.  I infer from the manual that the
displayed temp is that of the final transistor heat sink, and they say
it will hard fault at 112C.  Not in my shack!  Still looking for an
answer to the cleaning question, though, particularly for the power supply.

73, Pete N4ZR
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On 3/27/2021 2:44 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 3/27/2021 9:23 AM, N4ZR wrote:
>> The other day I noticed some buildup of dust on the top vents of my
>> power supply.
>
> Neighbor K6XX is the mfg engineer for both of Elecraft's amps. Bob
> lost everything (except one of his towers) in a big wildfire this
> summer, along with three other hams I know. For a contest a few months
> ago, he borrowed my KPA1500, and when he returned it, told me it was
> super dusty. My shack is pretty dusty, and I was running the fans all
> the time, often at a high setting, because I use WSJT modes on 6M and
> 160 a lot. His advice was to set the fan speed default to zero and let
> the amp determine the fan speed. Using 120 sec TX cycles at 1kW on
> 160, I've seen 95C temps, and the amp is still happy. I wouldn't do
> that on 6M, where the amp is least efficient.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From pe1hzg at xs4all.nl  Sat Mar 27 18:46:09 2021
From: pe1hzg at xs4all.nl (Geert Jan de Groot)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 23:46:09 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Questions on KXBC3 charging mechanism
Message-ID: <1000e3d9-692e-1eb6-bdd3-36ef7d1df9ef@xs4all.nl>

Hi,

Searching the web and searching the mail archive didn't find the result 
I was looking for, but I found a number of broken links pointing to 
now-defunct Yahoo groups on this matter..

I'm confused on the charging method used on the KXBC3 charger.
The standard low-current charge method for NiMH is "14 hours, 0.1C", so 
in the case of my 1900mAh eneloops, 14 hours of 190 mA. The KX3 manual 
doesn't say much, but the KXBC3 manual specifies a 200mA charge current.
That would suggest that 14-16 hours should give a full charge without 
too much overcurrent.

However, while charging I noticed that the KX3 draws close to 500mA, so 
I am not sure. Given that normal receiver operation draws 200mA, I fail 
to see how this would work with 200mA charge current - numbers don't add up.

I looked at the schematics. There is a low-drop voltage regulator (U2, 
LT1965) that seems to be used as current source. The regulator can be 
controlled via pin6 (shutdown pin). The voltage regulator supplies 2 
resistors R8 and R9 (12E each). The 3.3V output voltage over the 
resulting 6E resistance suggests a current source of roughly 500mA, 
which is closer to my measurements. There is an additional 20E resistor 
R10 which is switched using Q1 which would drive the current up to 710mA.

However, even being "low voltage drop" the regulator would need 3.3V 
input voltage and likely a little more, say 4V. Batteries on their way 
charging have a voltage of 10.5V, which means that this circuit alone 
needs 14.5V input voltage to function, but the charger is specified . So 
the current source can't give full current because the input voltage is 
too low to function.

Also, the charge time isn't 14 hours, but selectable 4, 8, 12, 16 hours. 
I don't see how that would work - people doing 2850mAh cells, as 
reporting on the reflector, won't be able to get a full charge even 
after 16 hours, not with the 200mA specified in the manual. And what are 
the 4 and 8 hour charge settings for?

I guess the figures really don't add up and I don't understand how this 
is supposed to work. Can someone enlighten me?

73,

Geert Jan

From w0mu at w0mu.com  Sat Mar 27 18:54:52 2021
From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 16:54:52 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] How and How Often to Clean KPA-1500 Cooling Systems?
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR07MB6214CDC56A6C16894C5A71889E609@BYAPR07MB6214.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <f3fe25c7-a97e-1701-9fbc-33cb4b1e5e19@comcast.net>
	<e2edc226-50e2-61f6-f25d-81f45fb966c9@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<8be02ba8-93a1-57d4-916d-95fbdebe9f54@comcast.net>
	<BYAPR07MB6214CDC56A6C16894C5A71889E609@BYAPR07MB6214.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <a6794036-5fc9-8d60-f5d2-0cd22438d7e8@w0mu.com>

I would encourage people to get the gear off the floor.? My computers 
that were on the floor got far more dirty than when I had them setting 
up higher. YMMV

W0MU

On 3/27/2021 4:22 PM, Ken K6MR wrote:
> As you know, I run my amp in a single amp, SO2R configuration.  During a heavy 2BSIQ session on RTTY, temps reach 90 deg C.  Fans go to 5 occasionally.  Not a problem.  Don?t worry.
>
> My power supply does get quite the dust bunny on top.  I just hit it with the vacuum every week when doing the shack.  I haven?t noticed the same problem with the RF deck.  Perhaps with the fans on super high speed it blows itself out.  I?ve had the power supply case off twice, and didn?t see a build up internally.  So I?m pretty sure it?s not an issue if you vacuum it regularly.
>
> I have the amp and power supply in a bookshelf type cabinet in the closet.  One thing I did when I first set it up was to make a seal around the back of the RF desk.  It is a piece of cardboard, stapled to the back edge of the bookshelf, and cut to just fit around the rear of the amp.  This keeps the amp from sucking in hot exhaust from the top vents back into the amp.  Of course this won?t be a problem if you have the amp on a desk with nothing above it.  I have the minimum recommended clearance of 2? above the amp, and 4? above the power supply.
>
> Ken K6MR
>
> From: N4ZR<mailto:n4zr at comcast.net>
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 13:09
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] How and How Often to Clean KPA-1500 Cooling Systems?
>
> I'm uncomfortable with temp above 70C.  I infer from the manual that the
> displayed temp is that of the final transistor heat sink, and they say
> it will hard fault at 112C.  Not in my shack!  Still looking for an
> answer to the cleaning question, though, particularly for the power supply.
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
> web server at <http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
> For spots, please use your favorite
> "retail" DX cluster.
>
> On 3/27/2021 2:44 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>> On 3/27/2021 9:23 AM, N4ZR wrote:
>>> The other day I noticed some buildup of dust on the top vents of my
>>> power supply.
>> Neighbor K6XX is the mfg engineer for both of Elecraft's amps. Bob
>> lost everything (except one of his towers) in a big wildfire this
>> summer, along with three other hams I know. For a contest a few months
>> ago, he borrowed my KPA1500, and when he returned it, told me it was
>> super dusty. My shack is pretty dusty, and I was running the fans all
>> the time, often at a high setting, because I use WSJT modes on 6M and
>> 160 a lot. His advice was to set the fan speed default to zero and let
>> the amp determine the fan speed. Using 120 sec TX cycles at 1kW on
>> 160, I've seen 95C temps, and the amp is still happy. I wouldn't do
>> that on 6M, where the amp is least efficient.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sat Mar 27 19:09:44 2021
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 16:09:44 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Questions on KXBC3 charging mechanism
In-Reply-To: <1000e3d9-692e-1eb6-bdd3-36ef7d1df9ef@xs4all.nl>
References: <1000e3d9-692e-1eb6-bdd3-36ef7d1df9ef@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <0F50F868-8B0B-4DE2-B794-63B7258E2CDA@wunderwood.org>

I think this is answered in the manual. For 2500 mAh cells, this is on page 4.
The KXBC3 charges at 200 mA throughout the charging time set, suggesting that 2000 mAH cells would be charged in 10 hours (referred in battery literature as a C/10 rate). However, the charging process is not 100% efficient, so additional charging time must be added, typically 20%. So a fully depleted 2000 mAH battery would require about 12 hours to reach full capacity.

The charging time must be adjusted for batteries of different capacity as follows: Charging Time (hours) = 1.2 X (cell mAH rating) / 200

For example, to charge fully depleted 2500 mAH cells: 1.2 X 2500 / 200 = 15 hours (Set charger for 16 hours) 

https://ftp.elecraft.com/KX3/Manuals%20Downloads/E740167%20Elecraft%20KXBC3%20Installation%20and%20Operation%20Rev%20B1.pdf

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Mar 27, 2021, at 3:46 PM, Geert Jan de Groot <pe1hzg at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Searching the web and searching the mail archive didn't find the result I was looking for, but I found a number of broken links pointing to now-defunct Yahoo groups on this matter..
> 
> I'm confused on the charging method used on the KXBC3 charger.
> The standard low-current charge method for NiMH is "14 hours, 0.1C", so in the case of my 1900mAh eneloops, 14 hours of 190 mA. The KX3 manual doesn't say much, but the KXBC3 manual specifies a 200mA charge current.
> That would suggest that 14-16 hours should give a full charge without too much overcurrent.
> 
> However, while charging I noticed that the KX3 draws close to 500mA, so I am not sure. Given that normal receiver operation draws 200mA, I fail to see how this would work with 200mA charge current - numbers don't add up.
> 
> I looked at the schematics. There is a low-drop voltage regulator (U2, LT1965) that seems to be used as current source. The regulator can be controlled via pin6 (shutdown pin). The voltage regulator supplies 2 resistors R8 and R9 (12E each). The 3.3V output voltage over the resulting 6E resistance suggests a current source of roughly 500mA, which is closer to my measurements. There is an additional 20E resistor R10 which is switched using Q1 which would drive the current up to 710mA.
> 
> However, even being "low voltage drop" the regulator would need 3.3V input voltage and likely a little more, say 4V. Batteries on their way charging have a voltage of 10.5V, which means that this circuit alone needs 14.5V input voltage to function, but the charger is specified . So the current source can't give full current because the input voltage is too low to function.
> 
> Also, the charge time isn't 14 hours, but selectable 4, 8, 12, 16 hours. I don't see how that would work - people doing 2850mAh cells, as reporting on the reflector, won't be able to get a full charge even after 16 hours, not with the 200mA specified in the manual. And what are the 4 and 8 hour charge settings for?
> 
> I guess the figures really don't add up and I don't understand how this is supposed to work. Can someone enlighten me?
> 
> 73,
> 
> Geert Jan
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From wa2lbi at gmail.com  Sat Mar 27 19:50:38 2021
From: wa2lbi at gmail.com (Ken Winterling)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 19:50:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Kpa500 not playing with my IC-7600
In-Reply-To: <44DB408A-4A0D-43F5-B89D-6EF686A06D57@mac.com>
References: <44DB408A-4A0D-43F5-B89D-6EF686A06D57@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CALK4bwjVhTXrBMZz8MR6JCkB8mQGSjSJ3peOdMsY98+=3m3jHg@mail.gmail.com>

Tom,

While I do not have an IC-7600 I do use an IC-7610 with a KPA500; the cable
should be the same.
I use a DIY band data cable to connect the IC-7610 to the KPA500 and it has
worked for almost three years.

I'm curious as to the exact part numbers of the cables you purchased from
the two different vendors.
What are the vendor names?
Do you have a schematic diagram of either/both cables?

If you are interested, I can send you a schematic of the cable I built.

73,

Ken
WA2LBI





On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 2:43 PM Tom Ewing via Elecraft
<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
wrote:

>
> Good day, and thanks for reading.
>
> My newly acquired KPA500 doesn?t want to play with my IC-7600.
>
> In operate mode when I key the radio, the LEDs on the KPA500 display solid
> into the yellow, and there is no output. The amp is not faulting.
>
> I?m using an Icom 7 pin DIN cable (two actually from two different
> vendors) and tried two different radios, both IC-7600s with the same
> result.
>
> In the KPA menus, I have set the ?radio? option to ?analog?.
>
> Am I missing something else?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Tom
> W0XXX
>
>
>
>

From 99sunset at gmail.com  Sat Mar 27 21:21:24 2021
From: 99sunset at gmail.com (Steve Hall)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 21:21:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Power Supply noise
Message-ID: <CALdUqNPtjiV2XMKD9K3yn9sX0tg7YxM0E0HiQs6q9DHQYb_g-w@mail.gmail.com>

Regarding placement of the KPA1500 power supply.
After repairing and maintaining residential home computers professionally
for several years, be advised that floor placement will allow 5X the dust
to be sucked into the unit.  Units with air flow in and out are like vacuum
cleaners.  I recommend raising the unit, even if only a foot or two, to
reduce dust intake.  Units on the floor were packed with dust as compared
to units on desks.

From kevinr at coho.net  Sat Mar 27 23:11:38 2021
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 20:11:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <8c4b20b9-2ff9-38e4-6251-e64fcdededed@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? The rain has been falling less often.? Today there was sun for much 
of the day.? I followed the eastern edge of my property from corner pole 
to corner pole.? This was next to impossible before they thinned the 
forest.? Bright green moss dominated the scene. It is too early for the 
ferns and alder leaves.? Very few insects.? That will change.? However, 
more snow is due tomorrow. Luckily the daffodils aren't blooming yet.? 
They often get covered by the last big snow of the season.

 ?? The sun has a few spots but there is more activity coming. During 
the equinox ions slip through cracks in our magnetosphere. For a few 
weeks aurora are stimulated with fewer ions.? I am unsure how this 
relates to propagation.? But the longer daylight period enhances the 
ionosphere.? I don't expect too much noise but I don't expect strong 
signals either.? We shall see.


Please join us on (or near):

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 ? 7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

 ?? 73,
 ????? Kevin. KD5ONS


-






The flower that smiles to-day
To-morrow dies;
All that we wish to stay
Tempts and then flies.
What is this world?s delight?
Lightning that mocks the night,
Brief even as bright.


I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert . . . Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
'My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away."


From tvtommy at mac.com  Sat Mar 27 23:18:23 2021
From: tvtommy at mac.com (Tom Ewing)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 22:18:23 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?b?SeKAmW0gZW1iYXJyYXNzZWQuLi4ubXkgS1BBNTAw?=
Message-ID: <A17B68F4-2665-4A44-8387-C44901A1FD56@mac.com>


It was in DEMO mode ????  

Works like a champ now. 

Thanks for the input, and I learned something today. 

Best 73,

Tom
W0XXX


From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sun Mar 28 01:31:58 2021
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2021 08:31:58 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Power Supply noise
In-Reply-To: <CALdUqNPtjiV2XMKD9K3yn9sX0tg7YxM0E0HiQs6q9DHQYb_g-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALdUqNPtjiV2XMKD9K3yn9sX0tg7YxM0E0HiQs6q9DHQYb_g-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <300FE53C-2DEE-47B5-85CF-D16B1055FDE1@gmail.com>

I used to maintain computers used by farmers. I?m surprised they didn?t plant crops in them. There was enough soil there. Floppy disks (this was a long time ago) were unusable due to the abrasive action of the dirt.

Victor 4X6GP 

> On 28 Mar 2021, at 4:24, Steve Hall <99sunset at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Regarding placement of the KPA1500 power supply.
> After repairing and maintaining residential home computers professionally
> for several years, be advised that floor placement will allow 5X the dust
> to be sucked into the unit.  Units with air flow in and out are like vacuum
> cleaners.  I recommend raising the unit, even if only a foot or two, to
> reduce dust intake.  Units on the floor were packed with dust as compared
> to units on desks.
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From zuceman at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 28 06:45:42 2021
From: zuceman at yahoo.com (Bruce Whitney)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2021 06:45:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Attenuator
References: <288BF597-9DD5-4741-B0F9-FC8EAE26C90A.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <288BF597-9DD5-4741-B0F9-FC8EAE26C90A@yahoo.com>

Anyone know how many dB comes it with the attenuator switch? How much does it improve the intercept? 
Bruce W8RA

From g8kbvdave at googlemail.com  Sun Mar 28 07:11:00 2021
From: g8kbvdave at googlemail.com (Dave B)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2021 12:11:00 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] How and How Often to Clean KPA-1500 Cooling Systems?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5147.1616889120.3572.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.5147.1616889120.3572.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <6b8cb3a0-53cb-ebb6-cd0b-97f9c74749ad@googlemail.com>

Re:-

------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] How and How Often to Clean KPA-1500 Cooling
> 	Systems?
> Message-ID:
> 	<BYAPR07MB6214CDC56A6C16894C5A71889E609 at BYAPR07MB6214.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
> 	
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>
> As you know, I run my amp in a single amp, SO2R configuration.  During a heavy 2BSIQ session on RTTY, temps reach 90 deg C.  Fans go to 5 occasionally.  Not a problem.  Don?t worry.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

90'C is too hot for the heatsink.

One wonders what the actual device junction temperatures (the critical
value) might be for that, but that can't be measured directly.? You need
knowledge of the actual power being dissipated, and the various thermal
resistances between junction and heat sink, where you can measure
temperature.

Plus the difference between what the heatsink sensor records, vs the
temperature at the device, varies as well.

Solid-state power devices (DC and RF) do not like heat, the hotter they
are, the less likely they are to last a long and trouble free life.??
Plus, all the thermal cycling (heat/cool) can stress soldered joints to
them that will eventually fracture and cause a fault.

Yes, keeping a stable (even hot) temperature will reduce thermal cycling
stress, but the overall MTBF of the devices will still be very much
shorter at elevated temperatures than if they were kept cooler.

Plus, RF device production life-cycles are notoriously short as the
development pace is fast, especially with LDMOS devices.? Also, often
the new "better" devices, are different enough to /not/ be drop in
replacements.? Electrically or physically.

As for cleaning.? As often as needed, every site/shack is different.? If
you see dust accumulating on the outside, it's inside too!

Many commercial amps have air inlet filters.? But they need to be kept
clean, as a clogged filter is just as bad for cooling, as an inadequate
heatsink/fan combination and no filters.

Regards.

Dave G8KBV


-- 
Created on and sent from a Unix like PC running and using free and open source software:


From jgrow at sympatico.ca  Sun Mar 28 15:27:07 2021
From: jgrow at sympatico.ca (John Grow)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2021 15:27:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3F-100 with options
Message-ID: <1371CC2B-67BF-4889-B824-BB15EBE7CFDD@sympatico.ca>

Hello to the group.

I?m thinking of selling my K3
K3-10F with the following options
KAT3A
KBPF3A
KXV3
KPA3A
500 HZ CW filter

I?m a Canadian Ham, so shipping from Montreal, Canada.

John V2EQL

From elanzl at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar 28 18:28:39 2021
From: elanzl at sbcglobal.net (Eric Lanzl)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2021 22:28:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Net for 3-28-2021
References: <1513769534.981061.1616970519715.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1513769534.981061.1616970519715@mail.yahoo.com>

Here are the stations checking in to the SSB 20M net today. Despite the contest going on, we were able to have a short net. 
Please join us for the 20 m net at 1800Z? 14.303.5 the 40M net at 1900Z 7.280 Zoom meeting at 200Z contact Carl K8NU for the link, and 80M net 0100Z today on 3775. The frequency varies due to use.Eric WB9JNZ


Call????????? Name??? State????? Radio??? Serial #? QRP???????????????????????????? Notes

WB9JNZ????? Eric?????????? IL????????????? K3???????????? 4017????????? ????????????????????????Net Control

NC0JW????????? Jim????????? CO??????????? KX3????????? 1356??????????????????????????????????? RelayStation???? 

W1NGA?????? Al????????????? CO??????????? KX2????????? 2002????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

KB9AVO???? Paul?????????? IN???????????? K4???????????? 76????????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K8NU????????? Carl?????????? OH??????????? YaesuFT? 101DX????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

W4DML?????? Doug???????? TN??????????? K3???????????? 6433????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

WM6P????????? Steve???????? GA??????????? K3S?????????? 11453??????? ???????????????????????? Relay Station????? 

AE6JV???????? Bill??????????? NH??????????? K3???????????? 6299????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

N4NRW?????? Roger??????? SC???????????? K3???????????? 1318????????? ????????????????????????Relay Station????? 

K7BRR??????? Bill??????????? AZ??????????? YaesuFT? DX 101???? ???????????????????????????????????? 

KB3FBR????? Joe??????????? PA???????????? K2???????????? 6178????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K6VWE?????? Stan?????????? MI???????????? K3???????????? 650??????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 
?AI4VZ ? ? ?? George??? GA????????? K3????????? 2412??? 

From ewrjunkmail at gmail.com  Mon Mar 29 00:06:09 2021
From: ewrjunkmail at gmail.com (eric robertson)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2021 23:06:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB KX3 with add-ons
Message-ID: <CAOr6FVWKcpHvXn-uLAhLOytGKU4_nxRusAK3b_8OHn5zD7ruPQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi
I am new to the Ham world (passed technician test today) and am interested
in buying a used KX3 in good condition with some add-ons...

If you are interested in selling yours, please contact me at
ewrjunkmail at gmail.com

Thanks
Eric

From kevinr at coho.net  Mon Mar 29 00:41:36 2021
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2021 21:41:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <45cb02dc-0bcd-9410-b580-96835cea337a@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? Gusting winds have slowed enough to allow the snow to fall. Weather 
reports of 80 degrees with sunshine were appreciated. Spring takes a 
while to get here.? Twenty meters seemed noisy and weak.? Forty meters 
had less noise and less QSB.? Hopefully solar activity will increase 
soon; luckily it has nowhere to go but up.


 ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

W0CZ - Ken - ND

NO8V - John - MI

K6XK - Roy - IA


 ? On 7047.5 kHz at 0000z:

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K7TXA - Jim - CA (for the moment)

WM5F - Dwight - ID

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

K6PJV - Dale - CA

K6DGW - Skip - NV


 ? Until next week stay well and 73,

 ????? Kevin.? KD5ONS


-






You know, Mr. Tully, you are a most fortunate individual.

I know!

You have been a participant in the biggest interdimensional cross rip 
since the Tunguska blast of 1909!

Felt great.

We'd like to get a sample of your brain tissue.

Okay.




From starman10 at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 29 09:27:47 2021
From: starman10 at hotmail.com (Lou W0FK)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 06:27:47 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3F-100 with options
In-Reply-To: <1371CC2B-67BF-4889-B824-BB15EBE7CFDD@sympatico.ca>
References: <1371CC2B-67BF-4889-B824-BB15EBE7CFDD@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <1617024467054-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi John. What?s the s/n of your K3, and what are you asking? Any thoughts on
shipping cost to the States?

73, Lou W0FK



--
Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/

From kj_mcgrath at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 29 12:10:44 2021
From: kj_mcgrath at yahoo.com (Kevin McGrath)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 16:10:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Arrgh! I put 12volts into K3 antenna connector!
References: <184913560.861744.1617034244875.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <184913560.861744.1617034244875@mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks Keith. I ordered the part today.
VY 73Kevin

From keith at elecraft.com  Mon Mar 29 12:43:13 2021
From: keith at elecraft.com (Keith Trinity WE6R)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 09:43:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - no output power
In-Reply-To: <099ca170-c39f-4e45-160b-4d95130fe02b@dl1mgb.com>
References: <099ca170-c39f-4e45-160b-4d95130fe02b@dl1mgb.com>
Message-ID: <f1049ece-312e-4a57-7a31-3ac6895872f0@elecraft.com>

Just some notes for future folks reading this.
I always replace D1 and Q6 together.
Other notes re Q6 and D1;
1. Poor RX on 24 and 28Mhz 12m 10M only and TX gain is OK. Q6 a 2N7002, 
OR D1? on the LPA can Suck the RX down on these two bands!!
2. Slow ramp up of TX power output. Typically worse on higher frequencies.
This can be D1 E560040 burnt (or bad solder joint) and/or bad Q6 E580026 
on LPA. (power ramps up starting very low).
3. If Q6 shorts, it can take out Q3 E580030. **REPLACE D1 *and* Q6 if 
the solder joint is bad!!!
Keith WE6R Elecraft K3/K4 Tech

From taraymer at embarqmail.com  Mon Mar 29 12:53:07 2021
From: taraymer at embarqmail.com (Raymer, Timothy)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 11:53:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB KX3 with add-ons
In-Reply-To: <CAOr6FVWKcpHvXn-uLAhLOytGKU4_nxRusAK3b_8OHn5zD7ruPQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOr6FVWKcpHvXn-uLAhLOytGKU4_nxRusAK3b_8OHn5zD7ruPQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007201d724bb$ff3533c0$fd9f9b40$@com>

Welcome to a great hobby Eric!

I have forwarded you a recent listing that was on another e-mail group.  

Looking forward to working you soon.

73 de KA0OUV


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of eric robertson
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 23:06
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB KX3 with add-ons

Hi
I am new to the Ham world (passed technician test today) and am interested
in buying a used KX3 in good condition with some add-ons...

If you are interested in selling yours, please contact me at
ewrjunkmail at gmail.com

Thanks
Eric
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From dave at nk7z.net  Mon Mar 29 13:18:27 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 10:18:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Inventorying a K3/P3
Message-ID: <2bf7ffb4-dd91-3448-4b62-bbbc6b4fcab9@nk7z.net>

Hi,

I am about to take a look at a K3 which a SK estate has asked me to sell 
for them.  It was a friend of mine, for of many decades that passed, and 
his children and wife have now decided to sell the K3/P3.

I need to inventory the K3 to see what all is in it...  Aside from the 
obvious, and what I know about the rig, (I helped him go over the rig 
when he got it, and before he purchased it), are there any tell tail 
signs in the configuration menu I should look for?

What I know is the following:

K3, with second receiver
New synths in it for each RX.
10 MHz input for external reference.
Elecraft has gone over it and put the gold contacts in it.
Early serial number

I will be visiting the rig later this week, so I am looking for any 
tips...  Private email is fine if you don't want to clog up the reflector.

I had thought of sending it to Elecraft and have them look it over for a 
list of items, but with the extended return times of late, I think I'll 
advise the family to wait a bit on that option.

It was just at Elecraft less than a year or so ago, and blessed by them, 
so it should still be in good shape...  Anyway, if you can think of 
things to look for, I am all ears...

-- 
73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

From jasimmons at pinewooddata.com  Mon Mar 29 13:30:07 2021
From: jasimmons at pinewooddata.com (John Simmons)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 12:30:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Inventorying a K3/P3
In-Reply-To: <2bf7ffb4-dd91-3448-4b62-bbbc6b4fcab9@nk7z.net>
References: <2bf7ffb4-dd91-3448-4b62-bbbc6b4fcab9@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <20e1dd0b-4353-3f6c-18f8-17328a14287b@pinewooddata.com>

Dave,

This topic was recently covered either here or another reflector I 
subscribe to.

There isn't a very good way to properly find all the options installed 
other than pulling the cover to see. There are two programs that may 
help: The Elecraft K3 Utility program and K3_EZ: 
https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-K3/files/K3_EZ

-de John NI0K


Dave Cole wrote on 3/29/2021 12:18 PM:
> Hi,
>
> I am about to take a look at a K3 which a SK estate has asked me to 
> sell for them.? It was a friend of mine, for of many decades that 
> passed, and his children and wife have now decided to sell the K3/P3.
>
> I need to inventory the K3 to see what all is in it...? Aside from the 
> obvious, and what I know about the rig, (I helped him go over the rig 
> when he got it, and before he purchased it), are there any tell tail 
> signs in the configuration menu I should look for?
>
> What I know is the following:
>
> K3, with second receiver
> New synths in it for each RX.
> 10 MHz input for external reference.
> Elecraft has gone over it and put the gold contacts in it.
> Early serial number
>
> I will be visiting the rig later this week, so I am looking for any 
> tips...? Private email is fine if you don't want to clog up the 
> reflector.
>
> I had thought of sending it to Elecraft and have them look it over for 
> a list of items, but with the extended return times of late, I think 
> I'll advise the family to wait a bit on that option.
>
> It was just at Elecraft less than a year or so ago, and blessed by 
> them, so it should still be in good shape...? Anyway, if you can think 
> of things to look for, I am all ears...
>


From rick.nk7i at gmail.com  Mon Mar 29 13:34:17 2021
From: rick.nk7i at gmail.com (Rick NK7I)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 10:34:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Inventorying a K3/P3
In-Reply-To: <20e1dd0b-4353-3f6c-18f8-17328a14287b@pinewooddata.com>
References: <2bf7ffb4-dd91-3448-4b62-bbbc6b4fcab9@nk7z.net>
	<20e1dd0b-4353-3f6c-18f8-17328a14287b@pinewooddata.com>
Message-ID: <917cfe24-d398-2bb4-0e5f-a8faf282c295@gmail.com>

Dave,

The menu settings would be a good place to start, confirmed by taking 
the cover off.? One receiver is covered by the other, so some 
disassembly is required for the visual of the filters.? Then tuner, 
which i/o board etc.

For the P3, the options are the SVGA board and the TX board.

Sorry for your loss,
Rick NK7I


On 3/29/2021 10:30 AM, John Simmons wrote:
> Dave,
>
> This topic was recently covered either here or another reflector I 
> subscribe to.
>
> There isn't a very good way to properly find all the options installed 
> other than pulling the cover to see. There are two programs that may 
> help: The Elecraft K3 Utility program and K3_EZ: 
> https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-K3/files/K3_EZ
>
> -de John NI0K
>
>
> Dave Cole wrote on 3/29/2021 12:18 PM:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am about to take a look at a K3 which a SK estate has asked me to 
>> sell for them.? It was a friend of mine, for of many decades that 
>> passed, and his children and wife have now decided to sell the K3/P3.
>>
>> I need to inventory the K3 to see what all is in it...? Aside from 
>> the obvious, and what I know about the rig, (I helped him go over the 
>> rig when he got it, and before he purchased it), are there any tell 
>> tail signs in the configuration menu I should look for?
>>
>> What I know is the following:
>>
>> K3, with second receiver
>> New synths in it for each RX.
>> 10 MHz input for external reference.
>> Elecraft has gone over it and put the gold contacts in it.
>> Early serial number
>>
>> I will be visiting the rig later this week, so I am looking for any 
>> tips...? Private email is fine if you don't want to clog up the 
>> reflector.
>>
>> I had thought of sending it to Elecraft and have them look it over 
>> for a list of items, but with the extended return times of late, I 
>> think I'll advise the family to wait a bit on that option.
>>
>> It was just at Elecraft less than a year or so ago, and blessed by 
>> them, so it should still be in good shape...? Anyway, if you can 
>> think of things to look for, I am all ears...
>>
>
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From dave at nk7z.net  Mon Mar 29 13:36:12 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 10:36:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Inventorying a K3/P3
In-Reply-To: <20e1dd0b-4353-3f6c-18f8-17328a14287b@pinewooddata.com>
References: <2bf7ffb4-dd91-3448-4b62-bbbc6b4fcab9@nk7z.net>
	<20e1dd0b-4353-3f6c-18f8-17328a14287b@pinewooddata.com>
Message-ID: <383ae7aa-f66b-8df7-82c1-532cbdda4045@nk7z.net>

Thanks sir!!!  I will look for them.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 3/29/21 10:30 AM, John Simmons wrote:
> Dave,
> 
> This topic was recently covered either here or another reflector I 
> subscribe to.
> 
> There isn't a very good way to properly find all the options installed 
> other than pulling the cover to see. There are two programs that may 
> help: The Elecraft K3 Utility program and K3_EZ: 
> https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-K3/files/K3_EZ
> 
> -de John NI0K
> 
> 
> Dave Cole wrote on 3/29/2021 12:18 PM:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am about to take a look at a K3 which a SK estate has asked me to 
>> sell for them.? It was a friend of mine, for of many decades that 
>> passed, and his children and wife have now decided to sell the K3/P3.
>>
>> I need to inventory the K3 to see what all is in it...? Aside from the 
>> obvious, and what I know about the rig, (I helped him go over the rig 
>> when he got it, and before he purchased it), are there any tell tail 
>> signs in the configuration menu I should look for?
>>
>> What I know is the following:
>>
>> K3, with second receiver
>> New synths in it for each RX.
>> 10 MHz input for external reference.
>> Elecraft has gone over it and put the gold contacts in it.
>> Early serial number
>>
>> I will be visiting the rig later this week, so I am looking for any 
>> tips...? Private email is fine if you don't want to clog up the 
>> reflector.
>>
>> I had thought of sending it to Elecraft and have them look it over for 
>> a list of items, but with the extended return times of late, I think 
>> I'll advise the family to wait a bit on that option.
>>
>> It was just at Elecraft less than a year or so ago, and blessed by 
>> them, so it should still be in good shape...? Anyway, if you can think 
>> of things to look for, I am all ears...
>>
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
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From 99sunset at gmail.com  Mon Mar 29 15:59:35 2021
From: 99sunset at gmail.com (Steve Hall)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 15:59:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 40 meter SSB net
Message-ID: <CALdUqNO1gTDo8-Lgik0H+JyPG-fas9E83saP-HY=AfN-ozxRvA@mail.gmail.com>

Many thanks to my relay stations.  Low band noise and good signals.
WM6P STEVE GA K3S NETCONTROL
WB9JNZ ERIC IL K3
NC0JW JIM CO KX3
WY3T TIM FL K3S
K8NU CARL OH FTDX101
KD3FBR JOE PA K2
N8SBE DAVE MI K3S
KB9AVO PAUL IN K4
K2VJK VERN NY K3
K8DSS ED FL IC7300
AE6JV BILL NH K3
W8LMG MAC WV FLEX6300
N8ZL LARRY WV K2 12 WATTS

From radioprincegeorge at gmail.com  Mon Mar 29 16:30:54 2021
From: radioprincegeorge at gmail.com (Don Pomplun)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 16:30:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] off the floor
Message-ID: <4bfbcda6-f693-172e-893d-1054dab07958@gmail.com>

I got one of these for the KPA1500 power supply under the desk??? 
https://tinyurl.com/bph2j6eb

From dave at nk7z.net  Mon Mar 29 16:44:10 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 13:44:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Inventorying a K3/P3
In-Reply-To: <917cfe24-d398-2bb4-0e5f-a8faf282c295@gmail.com>
References: <2bf7ffb4-dd91-3448-4b62-bbbc6b4fcab9@nk7z.net>
	<20e1dd0b-4353-3f6c-18f8-17328a14287b@pinewooddata.com>
	<917cfe24-d398-2bb4-0e5f-a8faf282c295@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8e471848-0598-1105-3bb6-0396b99584f8@nk7z.net>

Hi Rick,
Thank you for the tips!  I will miss the him, I knew him for 50 years... 
  We ended up living maybe 700 feet from each other about 40 years ago, 
all by chance...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 3/29/21 10:34 AM, Rick NK7I wrote:
> Dave,
> 
> The menu settings would be a good place to start, confirmed by taking 
> the cover off.? One receiver is covered by the other, so some 
> disassembly is required for the visual of the filters.? Then tuner, 
> which i/o board etc.
> 
> For the P3, the options are the SVGA board and the TX board.
> 
> Sorry for your loss,
> Rick NK7I
> 
> 
> On 3/29/2021 10:30 AM, John Simmons wrote:
>> Dave,
>>
>> This topic was recently covered either here or another reflector I 
>> subscribe to.
>>
>> There isn't a very good way to properly find all the options installed 
>> other than pulling the cover to see. There are two programs that may 
>> help: The Elecraft K3 Utility program and K3_EZ: 
>> https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-K3/files/K3_EZ
>>
>> -de John NI0K
>>
>>
>> Dave Cole wrote on 3/29/2021 12:18 PM:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am about to take a look at a K3 which a SK estate has asked me to 
>>> sell for them.? It was a friend of mine, for of many decades that 
>>> passed, and his children and wife have now decided to sell the K3/P3.
>>>
>>> I need to inventory the K3 to see what all is in it...? Aside from 
>>> the obvious, and what I know about the rig, (I helped him go over the 
>>> rig when he got it, and before he purchased it), are there any tell 
>>> tail signs in the configuration menu I should look for?
>>>
>>> What I know is the following:
>>>
>>> K3, with second receiver
>>> New synths in it for each RX.
>>> 10 MHz input for external reference.
>>> Elecraft has gone over it and put the gold contacts in it.
>>> Early serial number
>>>
>>> I will be visiting the rig later this week, so I am looking for any 
>>> tips...? Private email is fine if you don't want to clog up the 
>>> reflector.
>>>
>>> I had thought of sending it to Elecraft and have them look it over 
>>> for a list of items, but with the extended return times of late, I 
>>> think I'll advise the family to wait a bit on that option.
>>>
>>> It was just at Elecraft less than a year or so ago, and blessed by 
>>> them, so it should still be in good shape...? Anyway, if you can 
>>> think of things to look for, I am all ears...
>>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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From huntinhmb at coastside.net  Mon Mar 29 20:12:08 2021
From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 17:12:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Inventorying a K3/P3
In-Reply-To: <8e471848-0598-1105-3bb6-0396b99584f8@nk7z.net>
References: <8e471848-0598-1105-3bb6-0396b99584f8@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <95FD4474-096A-4083-9503-056844DCA0A5@coastside.net>

Dave, 
There have also been numerous component adds/mods over the years. Three that I did a couple years ago are 1. Increase the 12vdc accessory power from 500 ma to 1 A. Evidence is a 1A sticker on the rear of the K3. 2. Add a capacitor to the KPA3 to eliminate fan noise pickup evident after the new synthesizers are installed. 3. Addition of a capacitor to the KBPF3 general coverage BPFs to extend coverage down to the 630 meter band. I?m sure there are others. See the mod instructions available on the Elecraft site if you go sleuthing inside the box. These are a bit inconsequential but add value to the K3. 

Have you thought about asking Elecraft for the work orders for the K3?s S/N?

Good luck and thank you for helping out the family. Sorry you lost a friend. 

73,
Brian, K0DTJ




From dave at nk7z.net  Mon Mar 29 23:43:12 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 20:43:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Inventorying a K3/P3
In-Reply-To: <95FD4474-096A-4083-9503-056844DCA0A5@coastside.net>
References: <8e471848-0598-1105-3bb6-0396b99584f8@nk7z.net>
	<95FD4474-096A-4083-9503-056844DCA0A5@coastside.net>
Message-ID: <b42aa891-db0c-32e2-5c8d-3a42f30e188a@nk7z.net>

Hi Brian,

Thank you for the suggestions, and the tidbits of the additional steps 
for add on items like new synths, etc.  I have saved your email.

I have sent Elecraft three seperate email requests across three weeks, 
and gotten precisely zero replies from support at elecraft.com address...

Very dissapointing, not even an acknoledgment they got the mail...  It 
is like firing email into a black hole...

I just resent the 4th request, this time to sales, support, and 
webmaster in hopes I can get in touch with someone at the Elecraft!

I understand things are busy, and I understadn things are diffucult to 
to COVID, etc., but three weeks, and three requests later I am getting 
very frustrated.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net


On 3/29/21 5:12 PM, Brian Hunt wrote:
> Dave,
> There have also been numerous component adds/mods over the years. Three that I did a couple years ago are 1. Increase the 12vdc accessory power from 500 ma to 1 A. Evidence is a 1A sticker on the rear of the K3. 2. Add a capacitor to the KPA3 to eliminate fan noise pickup evident after the new synthesizers are installed. 3. Addition of a capacitor to the KBPF3 general coverage BPFs to extend coverage down to the 630 meter band. I?m sure there are others. See the mod instructions available on the Elecraft site if you go sleuthing inside the box. These are a bit inconsequential but add value to the K3.
> 
> Have you thought about asking Elecraft for the work orders for the K3?s S/N?
> 
> Good luck and thank you for helping out the family. Sorry you lost a friend.
> 
> 73,
> Brian, K0DTJ
> 
> 
> 

From k9yeq at live.com  Tue Mar 30 00:58:28 2021
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 04:58:28 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Inventorying a K3/P3
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	<95FD4474-096A-4083-9503-056844DCA0A5@coastside.net>
	<b42aa891-db0c-32e2-5c8d-3a42f30e188a@nk7z.net>
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Given what I have read on the reflector, try calling.  There are so may impatient dolts, I can understand there situation. All the stupid "when will I get mine" I am sure have bogged down their inbox.  Not to say phone messages aren't as well.  But who knows....

Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Dave Cole
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:43 PM....To: Brian Hunt <huntinhmb at coastside.net>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Inventorying a K3/P3

Hi Brian,

Thank you for the suggestions, and the tidbits of the additional steps for add on items like new synths, etc.  I have saved your email.

I have sent Elecraft three seperate email requests across three weeks, and gotten precisely zero replies from support at elecraft.com address...

Very dissapointing, not even an acknoledgment they got the mail...  It is like firing email into a black hole...

I just resent the 4th request, this time to sales, support, and webmaster in hopes I can get in touch with someone at the Elecraft!

I understand things are busy, and I understadn things are diffucult to to COVID, etc., but three weeks, and three requests later I am getting very frustrated.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net


On 3/29/21 5:12 PM, Brian Hunt wrote:
> Dave,
> There have also been numerous component adds/mods over the years. Three that I did a couple years ago are 1. Increase the 12vdc accessory power from 500 ma to 1 A. Evidence is a 1A sticker on the rear of the K3. 2. Add a capacitor to the KPA3 to eliminate fan noise pickup evident after the new synthesizers are installed. 3. Addition of a capacitor to the KBPF3 general coverage BPFs to extend coverage down to the 630 meter band. I?m sure there are others. See the mod instructions available on the Elecraft site if you go sleuthing inside the box. These are a bit inconsequential but add value to the K3.
> 
> Have you thought about asking Elecraft for the work orders for the K3?s S/N?
> 
> Good luck and thank you for helping out the family. Sorry you lost a friend.
> 
> 73,
> Brian, K0DTJ
> 
> 
> 
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From julia at juliatuttle.net  Tue Mar 30 01:27:34 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 01:27:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Inventorying a K3/P3
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	<95FD4474-096A-4083-9503-056844DCA0A5@coastside.net>
	<b42aa891-db0c-32e2-5c8d-3a42f30e188a@nk7z.net>
	<DM6PR08MB5001B752A14279106AC80C1A9C7D9@DM6PR08MB5001.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
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I wouldn't go so far as to call them "dolts" -- Elecraft *is* currently
running far behind reasonable expectations for turnaround time, and asking
for an update is a reasonable response to that.

I'm happy to cut them some slack, and I hope others will be as well, but
it's a lot easier to do that patiently when we (a) know our emails will
actually get a response and (b) know how long to expect things to take.

 73,

Julie

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 12:59 AM Bill Johnson <k9yeq at live.com> wrote:

> Given what I have read on the reflector, try calling.  There are so may
> impatient dolts, I can understand there situation. All the stupid "when
> will I get mine" I am sure have bogged down their inbox.  Not to say phone
> messages aren't as well.  But who knows....
>
> Bill
> K9YEQ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> On Behalf Of Dave Cole
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:43 PM....To: Brian Hunt <
> huntinhmb at coastside.net>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Inventorying a K3/P3
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> Thank you for the suggestions, and the tidbits of the additional steps for
> add on items like new synths, etc.  I have saved your email.
>
> I have sent Elecraft three seperate email requests across three weeks, and
> gotten precisely zero replies from support at elecraft.com address...
>
> Very dissapointing, not even an acknoledgment they got the mail...  It is
> like firing email into a black hole...
>
> I just resent the 4th request, this time to sales, support, and webmaster
> in hopes I can get in touch with someone at the Elecraft!
>
> I understand things are busy, and I understadn things are diffucult to to
> COVID, etc., but three weeks, and three requests later I am getting very
> frustrated.
>
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
>
>
> On 3/29/21 5:12 PM, Brian Hunt wrote:
> > Dave,
> > There have also been numerous component adds/mods over the years. Three
> that I did a couple years ago are 1. Increase the 12vdc accessory power
> from 500 ma to 1 A. Evidence is a 1A sticker on the rear of the K3. 2. Add
> a capacitor to the KPA3 to eliminate fan noise pickup evident after the new
> synthesizers are installed. 3. Addition of a capacitor to the KBPF3 general
> coverage BPFs to extend coverage down to the 630 meter band. I?m sure there
> are others. See the mod instructions available on the Elecraft site if you
> go sleuthing inside the box. These are a bit inconsequential but add value
> to the K3.
> >
> > Have you thought about asking Elecraft for the work orders for the K3?s
> S/N?
> >
> > Good luck and thank you for helping out the family. Sorry you lost a
> friend.
> >
> > 73,
> > Brian, K0DTJ
> >
> >
> >
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From pe1hzg at xs4all.nl  Tue Mar 30 09:35:44 2021
From: pe1hzg at xs4all.nl (Geert Jan de Groot)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 15:35:44 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Inventorying a K3/P3
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5449.1617080321.3572.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.5449.1617080321.3572.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <f4a8c951-10db-ccf5-da59-a3a2f6c7dd7b@xs4all.nl>

Hi,

First off, sorry for your loss.


As to options, and especially modifications, I very much would like 
Elecraft to give each modification a number so there can be a sticker in 
a radio that says:

This radio has the following modifications: 01, 02, 03, 04, 06, 08, 12.

That would make these things much easier.

For K2, K3, and the KX-en too late, but perhaps for the K4 this can and 
should be done?

Geert Jan


From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Tue Mar 30 11:55:12 2021
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 10:55:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
Message-ID: <082101d7257d$11a51450$34ef3cf0$@LNAINC.com>

I can?t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k two years ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment.  NO, actually I can.  

 

Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I had been associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru many of the same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new product to market.  The CEO vowed he would run the business as if they were broke, which they very nearly were.  But the employees were faithful believers in the company and the product, and worked very hard to make it a success.

 

Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me that they had sold the company to another industry player (a non-competitor) and that they wanted me to join them for lunch to discuss the deal.  My fear and trepidation slowly disappeared that day as I met the new management ?team? (with all the old R&D team still hard at work), got viable answers to all the hard questions and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion ($10 Million) had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease the wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of further consolidation and rapid development.

 

It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential disaster we had all feared.

 

Hang in there.  Times might seem tough, but there are some very smart people at work here.

 

73

Lyn, W0LEN

 

From: Elecraft-K4 at groups.io [mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Roycraft
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM
To: Elecraft-K4 at groups.io
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews?

 

The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear something official from Elecraft.  It's been too long since we've heard much of anything.  I would like to know if I can expect my Group 1 order, submitted on August 8, 2019, has any chance of getting to me before summer, 2021 begins or is it likely that I will have to wait another year.  I could have asked much the same question a year ago never expecting that a year from then, there would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now.  By the way, when I submitted my order the expected shipping date was estimated to be November or December, 2019.  That's pre-pandemic.

73, Ted, W2ZK


From keith at elecraft.com  Tue Mar 30 12:22:07 2021
From: keith at elecraft.com (Keith Trinity WE6R)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 09:22:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Inventorying a K3/P3 nk7z
In-Reply-To: <2bf7ffb4-dd91-3448-4b62-bbbc6b4fcab9@nk7z.net>
References: <2bf7ffb4-dd91-3448-4b62-bbbc6b4fcab9@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <5081685e-eb16-c17e-4c4d-b7f578a95584@elecraft.com>

Hi Dave;
Since it was here less than a year ago, no need to send it for updates.
If it hasn't been altered, you can get all the options/filters from the 
menus.
If it has been reset for some reason, we can send you the configuration 
file to re-load that was saved at last service.

We don't inventory every radio, but you could load that file into the 
radio and then go thru the menus.
This would be a fairly accurate list unless you believe he 
removed/changed any filters or options, in which case you will have to 
open it up and take out the Sub receiver and open the sub receiver to 
inventory all items.

Someone could also load that file into another radio (I believe it is 
advanced mode of the K3 Utility lets you skip past the serial # 
mismatch) then look thru the menus. Don't forget to save the host 
radio's config file before doing this so you can restore it!
Keith WE6R K3/K4 Tech.


From kd5spx at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 14:37:42 2021
From: kd5spx at gmail.com (Wayne Suite)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 13:37:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] kxat3 how to adjust
Message-ID: <CAFsD45GqCj_zbX2BFWgSW94X9TKe48d9r9fvBHACwcmc1RjZNw@mail.gmail.com>

I have read that its possible to adjust the l and c values selected
manually up or down a value.

I have not been able to find a way to do it.

I have tried the mp command and the ak command without success yet a while
back someone talking on an email with Don indicated it was possible to do
this when recieving. I can use the ak to see which l and c values are
selected but I cannot seem to change them using ak010800; after sent the ak
response comes back ak030800; again which is what the tuner selected I want
to try l of 02 or 01 and then look to see how it affects the swr reading in
xmit.

Is this possible since the AK command only appears to be get and the mp
command returns mp000; when used while in the atu md or atu.data menus.

Thanks in advance
Wayne
-- 
Sent from my ipad

From skline4 at verizon.net  Tue Mar 30 14:51:52 2021
From: skline4 at verizon.net (Steven Kline)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 13:51:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
In-Reply-To: <082101d7257d$11a51450$34ef3cf0$@LNAINC.com>
References: <082101d7257d$11a51450$34ef3cf0$@LNAINC.com>
Message-ID: <678FEB4A-7E8C-4686-BFE4-0800ED2409EF@verizon.net>

Paid in full here since last year and ordered June 2019, try rationalizing that with spouse.  Down to my last TT Orion of two, barely keeping it on the air.  Almost at point of needing to cancel and ask money be returned so I can get something else and keep operating.  Seeing nothing, hearing nothing (not even from anyone receiving a K-4 - assuming some are shipping).  Latter I don?t understand how anyone would allow themselves to be bound in secrecy.  If occurring must be significant benefit for observing code of silence.  I see no light at all inside the tunnel.

Steve - W5JK

> On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Lyn Norstad <Lyn at LNAINC.com> wrote:
> 
> I can?t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k two years ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment.  NO, actually I can.  
> 
> 
> 
> Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I had been associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru many of the same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new product to market.  The CEO vowed he would run the business as if they were broke, which they very nearly were.  But the employees were faithful believers in the company and the product, and worked very hard to make it a success.
> 
> 
> 
> Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me that they had sold the company to another industry player (a non-competitor) and that they wanted me to join them for lunch to discuss the deal.  My fear and trepidation slowly disappeared that day as I met the new management ?team? (with all the old R&D team still hard at work), got viable answers to all the hard questions and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion ($10 Million) had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease the wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of further consolidation and rapid development.
> 
> 
> 
> It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential disaster we had all feared.
> 
> 
> 
> Hang in there.  Times might seem tough, but there are some very smart people at work here.
> 
> 
> 
> 73
> 
> Lyn, W0LEN
> 
> 
> 
> From: Elecraft-K4 at groups.io [mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Roycraft
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM
> To: Elecraft-K4 at groups.io
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews?
> 
> 
> 
> The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear something official from Elecraft.  It's been too long since we've heard much of anything.  I would like to know if I can expect my Group 1 order, submitted on August 8, 2019, has any chance of getting to me before summer, 2021 begins or is it likely that I will have to wait another year.  I could have asked much the same question a year ago never expecting that a year from then, there would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now.  By the way, when I submitted my order the expected shipping date was estimated to be November or December, 2019.  That's pre-pandemic.
> 
> 73, Ted, W2ZK
> 
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From jstengrevics at comcast.net  Tue Mar 30 15:17:15 2021
From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 15:17:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
In-Reply-To: <678FEB4A-7E8C-4686-BFE4-0800ED2409EF@verizon.net>
References: <082101d7257d$11a51450$34ef3cf0$@LNAINC.com>
	<678FEB4A-7E8C-4686-BFE4-0800ED2409EF@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <DB1D4830-9A56-4E33-A455-560564939771@comcast.net>

During the online event some weeks ago, Eric said he expected to finish Group 1 by May.  

73,

John
WA1EAZ

> On Mar 30, 2021, at 2:51 PM, Steven Kline via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Paid in full here since last year and ordered June 2019, try rationalizing that with spouse.  Down to my last TT Orion of two, barely keeping it on the air.  Almost at point of needing to cancel and ask money be returned so I can get something else and keep operating.  Seeing nothing, hearing nothing (not even from anyone receiving a K-4 - assuming some are shipping).  Latter I don?t understand how anyone would allow themselves to be bound in secrecy.  If occurring must be significant benefit for observing code of silence.  I see no light at all inside the tunnel.
> 
> Steve - W5JK
> 
>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Lyn Norstad <Lyn at LNAINC.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I can?t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k two years ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment.  NO, actually I can.  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I had been associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru many of the same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new product to market.  The CEO vowed he would run the business as if they were broke, which they very nearly were.  But the employees were faithful believers in the company and the product, and worked very hard to make it a success.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me that they had sold the company to another industry player (a non-competitor) and that they wanted me to join them for lunch to discuss the deal.  My fear and trepidation slowly disappeared that day as I met the new management ?team? (with all the old R&D team still hard at work), got viable answers to all the hard questions and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion ($10 Million) had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease the wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of further consolidation and rapid development.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential disaster we had all feared.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hang in there.  Times might seem tough, but there are some very smart people at work here.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> Lyn, W0LEN
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Elecraft-K4 at groups.io [mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Roycraft
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM
>> To: Elecraft-K4 at groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear something official from Elecraft.  It's been too long since we've heard much of anything.  I would like to know if I can expect my Group 1 order, submitted on August 8, 2019, has any chance of getting to me before summer, 2021 begins or is it likely that I will have to wait another year.  I could have asked much the same question a year ago never expecting that a year from then, there would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now.  By the way, when I submitted my order the expected shipping date was estimated to be November or December, 2019.  That's pre-pandemic.
>> 
>> 73, Ted, W2ZK
>> 
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From ab7echo at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 12:51:06 2021
From: ab7echo at gmail.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 09:51:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
In-Reply-To: <082101d7257d$11a51450$34ef3cf0$@LNAINC.com>
References: <082101d7257d$11a51450$34ef3cf0$@LNAINC.com>
Message-ID: <f635f682-1730-aa41-f7a6-2bef61d7328c@gmail.com>


As the kids say, "cool story, bro."

None of it changes the fact that lots of people have put out a lot of 
money with almost zero visibility into when they will get their product, 
and the K4 situation doesn't have the significantly leveraged upside 
that your story did.? There isn't the same risk/reward ratio here that 
your example had.? Apples and potatoes.

There are lots of reasons why Elecraft could be granted some slack for 
major and repeated delays in shipping the K4, but the part I don't 
understand is the almost total absence of regular communication on the 
delivery status.? It makes no sense at all.? If Wayne can find the time 
to tell us about his latest pedestrian mobile contact he should be able 
to tell his investors where the company stands on actually producing the 
product that they paid for.

I'm just an interested observer here since I haven't ordered a K4, but 
that doesn't change the fact that I sympathize with those who did.

Dave? AB7E



On 3/30/2021 8:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
> I can?t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k two years ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment.  NO, actually I can.
>
>   
>
> Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I had been associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru many of the same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new product to market.  The CEO vowed he would run the business as if they were broke, which they very nearly were.  But the employees were faithful believers in the company and the product, and worked very hard to make it a success.
>
>   
>
> Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me that they had sold the company to another industry player (a non-competitor) and that they wanted me to join them for lunch to discuss the deal.  My fear and trepidation slowly disappeared that day as I met the new management ?team? (with all the old R&D team still hard at work), got viable answers to all the hard questions and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion ($10 Million) had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease the wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of further consolidation and rapid development.
>
>   
>
> It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential disaster we had all feared.
>
>   
>
> Hang in there.  Times might seem tough, but there are some very smart people at work here.
>
>   
>
> 73
>
> Lyn, W0LEN
>
>   
>
> From: Elecraft-K4 at groups.io [mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Roycraft
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM
> To: Elecraft-K4 at groups.io
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews?
>
>   
>
> The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear something official from Elecraft.  It's been too long since we've heard much of anything.  I would like to know if I can expect my Group 1 order, submitted on August 8, 2019, has any chance of getting to me before summer, 2021 begins or is it likely that I will have to wait another year.  I could have asked much the same question a year ago never expecting that a year from then, there would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now.  By the way, when I submitted my order the expected shipping date was estimated to be November or December, 2019.  That's pre-pandemic.
>
> 73, Ted, W2ZK
>
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From haljr.massey at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 16:18:43 2021
From: haljr.massey at gmail.com (Hal Massey)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 14:18:43 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
In-Reply-To: <f635f682-1730-aa41-f7a6-2bef61d7328c@gmail.com>
References: <082101d7257d$11a51450$34ef3cf0$@LNAINC.com>
	<f635f682-1730-aa41-f7a6-2bef61d7328c@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <40DD861D-3557-425B-AD32-B7513301719E@gmail.com>

David, 

Is the customer set you are referring to and claiming to be sympathetic too even in existence? Elecraft will refund money to anyone that asks. Wouldn?t those that can?t have their money tied up have pulled out by now? Wouldn?t those that are upset with the communications be gone by now?? 

Regards
-Hal

> On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:51 AM, David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> As the kids say, "cool story, bro."
> 
> None of it changes the fact that lots of people have put out a lot of money with almost zero visibility into when they will get their product, and the K4 situation doesn't have the significantly leveraged upside that your story did.  There isn't the same risk/reward ratio here that your example had.  Apples and potatoes.
> 
> There are lots of reasons why Elecraft could be granted some slack for major and repeated delays in shipping the K4, but the part I don't understand is the almost total absence of regular communication on the delivery status.  It makes no sense at all.  If Wayne can find the time to tell us about his latest pedestrian mobile contact he should be able to tell his investors where the company stands on actually producing the product that they paid for.
> 
> I'm just an interested observer here since I haven't ordered a K4, but that doesn't change the fact that I sympathize with those who did.
> 
> Dave  AB7E
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/30/2021 8:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
>> I can?t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k two years ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment.  NO, actually I can.
>> 
>>  
>> Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I had been associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru many of the same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new product to market.  The CEO vowed he would run the business as if they were broke, which they very nearly were.  But the employees were faithful believers in the company and the product, and worked very hard to make it a success.
>> 
>>  
>> Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me that they had sold the company to another industry player (a non-competitor) and that they wanted me to join them for lunch to discuss the deal. My fear and trepidation slowly disappeared that day as I met the new management ?team? (with all the old R&D team still hard at work), got viable answers to all the hard questions and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion ($10 Million) had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease the wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of further consolidation and rapid development.
>> 
>>  
>> It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential disaster we had all feared.
>> 
>>  
>> Hang in there.  Times might seem tough, but there are some very smart people at work here.
>> 
>>  
>> 73
>> 
>> Lyn, W0LEN
>> 
>>  
>> From: Elecraft-K4 at groups.io [mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Roycraft
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM
>> To: Elecraft-K4 at groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews?
>> 
>>  
>> The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear something official from Elecraft.  It's been too long since we've heard much of anything.  I would like to know if I can expect my Group 1 order, submitted on August 8, 2019, has any chance of getting to me before summer, 2021 begins or is it likely that I will have to wait another year.  I could have asked much the same question a year ago never expecting that a year from then, there would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now.  By the way, when I submitted my order the expected shipping date was estimated to be November or December, 2019. That's pre-pandemic.
>> 
>> 73, Ted, W2ZK
>> 
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From w0mu at w0mu.com  Tue Mar 30 16:33:28 2021
From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 14:33:28 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
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It is puzzling to see the lack of substantive information as other have 
posted.? This has not been how Wayne and Eric and Elecraft have operated 
in the past.

I don't believe it is asking too much for regular updates on delivery 
dates.

Just because some are not happy with a delay does not mean that tehy 
don't want the product.? This radio is a lot of money for many people.? 
I doubt they are doing so well that they can afford to chase off a 
portion of their business.? It cost far more to bring in new customers 
than it does to keep old ones.

W0MU





On 3/30/2021 2:18 PM, Hal Massey wrote:
> David,
>
> Is the customer set you are referring to and claiming to be sympathetic too even in existence? Elecraft will refund money to anyone that asks. Wouldn?t those that can?t have their money tied up have pulled out by now? Wouldn?t those that are upset with the communications be gone by now??
>
> Regards
> -Hal
>
>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:51 AM, David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> As the kids say, "cool story, bro."
>>
>> None of it changes the fact that lots of people have put out a lot of money with almost zero visibility into when they will get their product, and the K4 situation doesn't have the significantly leveraged upside that your story did.  There isn't the same risk/reward ratio here that your example had.  Apples and potatoes.
>>
>> There are lots of reasons why Elecraft could be granted some slack for major and repeated delays in shipping the K4, but the part I don't understand is the almost total absence of regular communication on the delivery status.  It makes no sense at all.  If Wayne can find the time to tell us about his latest pedestrian mobile contact he should be able to tell his investors where the company stands on actually producing the product that they paid for.
>>
>> I'm just an interested observer here since I haven't ordered a K4, but that doesn't change the fact that I sympathize with those who did.
>>
>> Dave  AB7E
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/30/2021 8:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
>>> I can?t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k two years ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment.  NO, actually I can.
>>>
>>>   
>>> Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I had been associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru many of the same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new product to market.  The CEO vowed he would run the business as if they were broke, which they very nearly were.  But the employees were faithful believers in the company and the product, and worked very hard to make it a success.
>>>
>>>   
>>> Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me that they had sold the company to another industry player (a non-competitor) and that they wanted me to join them for lunch to discuss the deal. My fear and trepidation slowly disappeared that day as I met the new management ?team? (with all the old R&D team still hard at work), got viable answers to all the hard questions and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion ($10 Million) had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease the wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of further consolidation and rapid development.
>>>
>>>   
>>> It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential disaster we had all feared.
>>>
>>>   
>>> Hang in there.  Times might seem tough, but there are some very smart people at work here.
>>>
>>>   
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Lyn, W0LEN
>>>
>>>   
>>> From: Elecraft-K4 at groups.io [mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Roycraft
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM
>>> To: Elecraft-K4 at groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews?
>>>
>>>   
>>> The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear something official from Elecraft.  It's been too long since we've heard much of anything.  I would like to know if I can expect my Group 1 order, submitted on August 8, 2019, has any chance of getting to me before summer, 2021 begins or is it likely that I will have to wait another year.  I could have asked much the same question a year ago never expecting that a year from then, there would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now.  By the way, when I submitted my order the expected shipping date was estimated to be November or December, 2019. That's pre-pandemic.
>>>
>>> 73, Ted, W2ZK
>>>
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From bill at wjschmidt.com  Tue Mar 30 16:37:08 2021
From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 15:37:08 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
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You might try the "K4-Elecraft"  group...  


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Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 3:33 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

It is puzzling to see the lack of substantive information as other have posted.  This has not been how Wayne and Eric and Elecraft have operated in the past.

I don't believe it is asking too much for regular updates on delivery dates.

Just because some are not happy with a delay does not mean that tehy don't want the product.  This radio is a lot of money for many people. I doubt they are doing so well that they can afford to chase off a portion of their business.  It cost far more to bring in new customers than it does to keep old ones.

W0MU





On 3/30/2021 2:18 PM, Hal Massey wrote:
> David,
>
> Is the customer set you are referring to and claiming to be sympathetic too even in existence? Elecraft will refund money to anyone that asks. Wouldn?t those that can?t have their money tied up have pulled out by now? Wouldn?t those that are upset with the communications be gone by now??
>
> Regards
> -Hal
>
>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:51 AM, David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> As the kids say, "cool story, bro."
>>
>> None of it changes the fact that lots of people have put out a lot of money with almost zero visibility into when they will get their product, and the K4 situation doesn't have the significantly leveraged upside that your story did.  There isn't the same risk/reward ratio here that your example had.  Apples and potatoes.
>>
>> There are lots of reasons why Elecraft could be granted some slack for major and repeated delays in shipping the K4, but the part I don't understand is the almost total absence of regular communication on the delivery status.  It makes no sense at all.  If Wayne can find the time to tell us about his latest pedestrian mobile contact he should be able to tell his investors where the company stands on actually producing the product that they paid for.
>>
>> I'm just an interested observer here since I haven't ordered a K4, but that doesn't change the fact that I sympathize with those who did.
>>
>> Dave  AB7E
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/30/2021 8:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
>>> I can?t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k two years ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment.  NO, actually I can.
>>>
>>>   
>>> Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I had been associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru many of the same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new product to market.  The CEO vowed he would run the business as if they were broke, which they very nearly were.  But the employees were faithful believers in the company and the product, and worked very hard to make it a success.
>>>
>>>   
>>> Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me that they had sold the company to another industry player (a non-competitor) and that they wanted me to join them for lunch to discuss the deal. My fear and trepidation slowly disappeared that day as I met the new management ?team? (with all the old R&D team still hard at work), got viable answers to all the hard questions and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion ($10 Million) had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease the wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of further consolidation and rapid development.
>>>
>>>   
>>> It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential disaster we had all feared.
>>>
>>>   
>>> Hang in there.  Times might seem tough, but there are some very smart people at work here.
>>>
>>>   
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Lyn, W0LEN
>>>
>>>   
>>> From: Elecraft-K4 at groups.io [mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Roycraft
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM
>>> To: Elecraft-K4 at groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews?
>>>
>>>   
>>> The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear something official from Elecraft.  It's been too long since we've heard much of anything.  I would like to know if I can expect my Group 1 order, submitted on August 8, 2019, has any chance of getting to me before summer, 2021 begins or is it likely that I will have to wait another year.  I could have asked much the same question a year ago never expecting that a year from then, there would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now.  By the way, when I submitted my order the expected shipping date was estimated to be November or December, 2019. That's pre-pandemic.
>>>
>>> 73, Ted, W2ZK
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From haljr.massey at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 16:39:22 2021
From: haljr.massey at gmail.com (Hal Massey)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 14:39:22 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
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I am curious. Did you miss the update that was done via the remote Hamvention a few weeks ago. Group 1 clears in May?? Is your communication comment based on lack of website info? Customer?s that paid (me) should get emails every week??  I feel like I have been kept in the loop. That?s quite different than being over joyed by a delay...

> On Mar 30, 2021, at 2:33 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu at w0mu.com> wrote:
> 
> It is puzzling to see the lack of substantive information as other have posted.  This has not been how Wayne and Eric and Elecraft have operated in the past.
> 
> I don't believe it is asking too much for regular updates on delivery dates.
> 
> Just because some are not happy with a delay does not mean that tehy don't want the product.  This radio is a lot of money for many people.  I doubt they are doing so well that they can afford to chase off a portion of their business.  It cost far more to bring in new customers than it does to keep old ones.
> 
> W0MU
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/30/2021 2:18 PM, Hal Massey wrote:
>> David,
>> 
>> Is the customer set you are referring to and claiming to be sympathetic too even in existence? Elecraft will refund money to anyone that asks. Wouldn?t those that can?t have their money tied up have pulled out by now? Wouldn?t those that are upset with the communications be gone by now??
>> 
>> Regards
>> -Hal
>> 
>>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:51 AM, David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As the kids say, "cool story, bro."
>>> 
>>> None of it changes the fact that lots of people have put out a lot of money with almost zero visibility into when they will get their product, and the K4 situation doesn't have the significantly leveraged upside that your story did.  There isn't the same risk/reward ratio here that your example had.  Apples and potatoes.
>>> 
>>> There are lots of reasons why Elecraft could be granted some slack for major and repeated delays in shipping the K4, but the part I don't understand is the almost total absence of regular communication on the delivery status.  It makes no sense at all.  If Wayne can find the time to tell us about his latest pedestrian mobile contact he should be able to tell his investors where the company stands on actually producing the product that they paid for.
>>> 
>>> I'm just an interested observer here since I haven't ordered a K4, but that doesn't change the fact that I sympathize with those who did.
>>> 
>>> Dave  AB7E
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3/30/2021 8:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
>>>> I can?t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k two years ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment.  NO, actually I can.
>>>> 
>>>>  Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I had been associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru many of the same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new product to market.  The CEO vowed he would run the business as if they were broke, which they very nearly were.  But the employees were faithful believers in the company and the product, and worked very hard to make it a success.
>>>> 
>>>>  Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me that they had sold the company to another industry player (a non-competitor) and that they wanted me to join them for lunch to discuss the deal. My fear and trepidation slowly disappeared that day as I met the new management ?team? (with all the old R&D team still hard at work), got viable answers to all the hard questions and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion ($10 Million) had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease the wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of further consolidation and rapid development.
>>>> 
>>>>  It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential disaster we had all feared.
>>>> 
>>>>  Hang in there.  Times might seem tough, but there are some very smart people at work here.
>>>> 
>>>>  73
>>>> 
>>>> Lyn, W0LEN
>>>> 
>>>>  From: Elecraft-K4 at groups.io [mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Roycraft
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM
>>>> To: Elecraft-K4 at groups.io
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews?
>>>> 
>>>>  The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear something official from Elecraft.  It's been too long since we've heard much of anything.  I would like to know if I can expect my Group 1 order, submitted on August 8, 2019, has any chance of getting to me before summer, 2021 begins or is it likely that I will have to wait another year.  I could have asked much the same question a year ago never expecting that a year from then, there would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now.  By the way, when I submitted my order the expected shipping date was estimated to be November or December, 2019. That's pre-pandemic.
>>>> 
>>>> 73, Ted, W2ZK
>>>> 
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 17:01:37 2021
From: sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com (stephen shearer)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 17:01:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
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"Group 1, done by May" ??? Would be nice.? I am not going to hold my 
breath. The few (2?), "I got a UPS package", were from orders entered 
the first day.? Group 1 was not closed until Jan 2020??

"I Think" some of the communications from Elecraft are "hung up" with 
the Ferengi print from the online event keeping Elecraft from 
re-publishing any of the online event communication until the end of the 
30 day "hold".? If I was running the online event, I would want 
exclusive "use" of any publications for the full 30 days.? So, 16? Apr...

Yes, I could pay my $10 and see all the doc.? I was unavailable during 
the actual event, so I didn't sign up at all.

The last I looked, the KX3 is back ordered, too.

I would not mind an additional 6 month delay, IF I was told it was 
because Elecraft was moving to TN so that they could save 10% over 
current cost/taxes in CA.? I don't expect a move to happen. So, 60 days 
till the end of May, can they do it?

I placed my Group 1 order a week or so before Thanksgiving 2019...

73, steve WB3LGC


On 3/30/21 3:17 PM, John Stengrevics wrote:
> During the online event some weeks ago,*Eric said he expected to finish Group 1 by May. *
>
> 73,
>
> John
> WA1EAZ
>
>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 2:51 PM, Steven Kline via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>
>> Paid in full here since last year and ordered June 2019, try rationalizing that with spouse.  Down to my last TT Orion of two, barely keeping it on the air.  Almost at point of needing to cancel and ask money be returned so I can get something else and keep operating.  Seeing nothing, hearing nothing (not even from anyone receiving a K-4 - assuming some are shipping).  Latter I don?t understand how anyone would allow themselves to be bound in secrecy.  If occurring must be significant benefit for observing code of silence.  I see no light at all inside the tunnel.
>>
>> Steve - W5JK
>>
>>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Lyn Norstad <Lyn at LNAINC.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I can?t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k two years ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment.  NO, actually I can.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I had been associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru many of the same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new product to market.  The CEO vowed he would run the business as if they were broke, which they very nearly were.  But the employees were faithful believers in the company and the product, and worked very hard to make it a success.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me that they had sold the company to another industry player (a non-competitor) and that they wanted me to join them for lunch to discuss the deal.  My fear and trepidation slowly disappeared that day as I met the new management ?team? (with all the old R&D team still hard at work), got viable answers to all the hard questions and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion ($10 Million) had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease the wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of further consolidation and rapid development.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential disaster we had all feared.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hang in there.  Times might seem tough, but there are some very smart people at work here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Lyn, W0LEN
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Elecraft-K4 at groups.io [mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Roycraft
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM
>>> To: Elecraft-K4 at groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear something official from Elecraft.  It's been too long since we've heard much of anything.  I would like to know if I can expect my Group 1 order, submitted on August 8, 2019, has any chance of getting to me before summer, 2021 begins or is it likely that I will have to wait another year.  I could have asked much the same question a year ago never expecting that a year from then, there would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now.  By the way, when I submitted my order the expected shipping date was estimated to be November or December, 2019.  That's pre-pandemic.
>>>
>>> 73, Ted, W2ZK
>>>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Mar 30 17:19:32 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 14:19:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
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On 3/30/2021 1:33 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
> t is puzzling to see the lack of substantive information as other have 
> posted.? This has not been how Wayne and Eric and Elecraft have operated 
> in the past.

We're in the midst of a pandemic. Elecraft is a small company, and 
they've had COVID in house. Systems that were set up for people working 
in their office/lab/factory break down when that isn't possible.

73, Jim K9YC



From haljr.massey at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 17:28:16 2021
From: haljr.massey at gmail.com (Hal Massey)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 15:28:16 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
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Following the posts everyday?.


> On Mar 30, 2021, at 2:57 PM, David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> If you believe all of that to be true, clearly you haven't been following the posts here on the reflector.
> 
> Besides, I don't find "if you can't accept being in the dark ask for your money back" to be sound business practice.  It certainly wouldn't have been tolerated in the large business I ran for several years.
> 
> Dave   AB7E
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/30/2021 1:18 PM, Hal Massey wrote:
>> David, 
>> 
>> Is the customer set you are referring to and claiming to be sympathetic too even in existence? Elecraft will refund money to anyone that asks. Wouldn?t those that can?t have their money tied up have pulled out by now? Wouldn?t those that are upset with the communications be gone by now?? 
>> 
>> Regards
>> -Hal
>> 
>>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:51 AM, David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com <mailto:ab7echo at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As the kids say, "cool story, bro."
>>> 
>>> None of it changes the fact that lots of people have put out a lot of money with almost zero visibility into when they will get their product, and the K4 situation doesn't have the significantly leveraged upside that your story did.  There isn't the same risk/reward ratio here that your example had.  Apples and potatoes.
>>> 
>>> There are lots of reasons why Elecraft could be granted some slack for major and repeated delays in shipping the K4, but the part I don't understand is the almost total absence of regular communication on the delivery status.  It makes no sense at all.  If Wayne can find the time to tell us about his latest pedestrian mobile contact he should be able to tell his investors where the company stands on actually producing the product that they paid for.
>>> 
>>> I'm just an interested observer here since I haven't ordered a K4, but that doesn't change the fact that I sympathize with those who did.
>>> 
>>> Dave  AB7E
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3/30/2021 8:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
>>>> I can?t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k two years ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment.  NO, actually I can.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I had been associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru many of the same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new product to market.  The CEO vowed he would run the business as if they were broke, which they very nearly were.  But the employees were faithful believers in the company and the product, and worked very hard to make it a success.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me that they had sold the company to another industry player (a non-competitor) and that they wanted me to join them for lunch to discuss the deal. My fear and trepidation slowly disappeared that day as I met the new management ?team? (with all the old R&D team still hard at work), got viable answers to all the hard questions and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion ($10 Million) had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease the wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of further consolidation and rapid development.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential disaster we had all feared.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> Hang in there.  Times might seem tough, but there are some very smart people at work here.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 73
>>>> 
>>>> Lyn, W0LEN
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> From: Elecraft-K4 at groups.io <mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io> [mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io <mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io>] On Behalf Of Ted Roycraft
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM
>>>> To: Elecraft-K4 at groups.io <mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews?
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear something official from Elecraft.  It's been too long since we've heard much of anything.  I would like to know if I can expect my Group 1 order, submitted on August 8, 2019, has any chance of getting to me before summer, 2021 begins or is it likely that I will have to wait another year.  I could have asked much the same question a year ago never expecting that a year from then, there would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now.  By the way, when I submitted my order the expected shipping date was estimated to be November or December, 2019. That's pre-pandemic.
>>>> 
>>>> 73, Ted, W2ZK
>>>> 
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From ab7echo at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 16:57:17 2021
From: ab7echo at gmail.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 13:57:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
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If you believe all of that to be true, clearly you haven't been 
following the posts here on the reflector.

Besides, I don't find "if you can't accept being in the dark ask for 
your money back" to be sound business practice.? It certainly wouldn't 
have been tolerated in the large business I ran for several years.

Dave?? AB7E



On 3/30/2021 1:18 PM, Hal Massey wrote:
> David,
>
> Is the customer set you are referring to and claiming to be 
> sympathetic too even in existence? Elecraft will refund money to 
> anyone that asks. Wouldn?t those that can?t have their money tied up 
> have pulled out by now? Wouldn?t those that are upset with the 
> communications be gone by now??
>
> Regards
> -Hal
>
>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:51 AM, David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:ab7echo at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> As the kids say, "cool story, bro."
>>
>> None of it changes the fact that lots of people have put out a lot of 
>> money with almost zero visibility into when they will get their 
>> product, and the K4 situation doesn't have the significantly 
>> leveraged upside that your story did.? There isn't the same 
>> risk/reward ratio here that your example had. Apples and potatoes.
>>
>> There are lots of reasons why Elecraft could be granted some slack 
>> for major and repeated delays in shipping the K4, but the part I 
>> don't understand is the almost total absence of regular communication 
>> on the delivery status.? It makes no sense at all.? If Wayne can find 
>> the time to tell us about his latest pedestrian mobile contact he 
>> should be able to tell his investors where the company stands on 
>> actually producing the product that they paid for.
>>
>> I'm just an interested observer here since I haven't ordered a K4, 
>> but that doesn't change the fact that I sympathize with those who did.
>>
>> Dave? AB7E
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/30/2021 8:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
>>> I can?t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k 
>>> two years ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment. ?NO, actually I 
>>> can.
>>>
>>>
>>> Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I 
>>> had been associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru 
>>> many of the same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new 
>>> product to market. ?The CEO vowed he would run the business as if 
>>> they were broke, which they very nearly were. ?But the employees 
>>> were faithful believers in the company and the product, and worked 
>>> very hard to make it a success.
>>>
>>>
>>> Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me 
>>> that they had sold the company to another industry player (a 
>>> non-competitor) and that they wanted me to join them for lunch to 
>>> discuss the deal. My fear and trepidation slowly disappeared that 
>>> day as I met the new management ?team? (with all the old R&D team 
>>> still hard at work), got viable answers to all the hard questions 
>>> and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion ($10 Million) 
>>> had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease the 
>>> wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of 
>>> further consolidation and rapid development.
>>>
>>>
>>> It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential 
>>> disaster we had all feared.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hang in there. ?Times might seem tough, but there are some very 
>>> smart people at work here.
>>>
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Lyn, W0LEN
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Elecraft-K4 at groups.io <mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io> 
>>> [mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io <mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io>] On 
>>> Behalf Of Ted Roycraft
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM
>>> To: Elecraft-K4 at groups.io <mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io>
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews?
>>>
>>>
>>> The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear 
>>> something official from Elecraft. ?It's been too long since we've 
>>> heard much of anything. ?I would like to know if I can expect my 
>>> Group 1 order, submitted on August 8, 2019, has any chance of 
>>> getting to me before summer, 2021 begins or is it likely that I will 
>>> have to wait another year. ?I could have asked much the same 
>>> question a year ago never expecting that a year from then, there 
>>> would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now. ?By the way, when I 
>>> submitted my order the expected shipping date was estimated to be 
>>> November or December, 2019. That's pre-pandemic.
>>>
>>> 73, Ted, W2ZK
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft 
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From starman10 at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 30 18:54:34 2021
From: starman10 at hotmail.com (Lou W0FK)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 15:54:34 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S wanted
Message-ID: <1617144874178-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Looking for a K3S with KAT tuner and extras. If you?re interested in selling
one, please send me particulars (filters and any other options, asking
price). lladerman AT EarthLink DOT net is my preferred email. Texts to 314
308 4363 also ok.

73, Lou W0FK



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From dave at nk7z.net  Tue Mar 30 18:58:40 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 15:58:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Inventorying a K3/P3 nk7z
In-Reply-To: <5081685e-eb16-c17e-4c4d-b7f578a95584@elecraft.com>
References: <2bf7ffb4-dd91-3448-4b62-bbbc6b4fcab9@nk7z.net>
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Keith,

First off, thank you very much for the reply!  I do appreciate it greatly!

That is the info I needed!  I now know the menus will give me most of 
what I need.  As far as I know the radio has not been reset, nor has 
anyone been in it!  That makes things a lot simpler!  I do thank you 
sir!  Take care, and and stay safe!  Again, thank you.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 3/30/21 9:22 AM, Keith Trinity WE6R wrote:
> Hi Dave;
> Since it was here less than a year ago, no need to send it for updates.
> If it hasn't been altered, you can get all the options/filters from the 
> menus.
> If it has been reset for some reason, we can send you the configuration 
> file to re-load that was saved at last service.
> 
> We don't inventory every radio, but you could load that file into the 
> radio and then go thru the menus.
> This would be a fairly accurate list unless you believe he 
> removed/changed any filters or options, in which case you will have to 
> open it up and take out the Sub receiver and open the sub receiver to 
> inventory all items.
> 
> Someone could also load that file into another radio (I believe it is 
> advanced mode of the K3 Utility lets you skip past the serial # 
> mismatch) then look thru the menus. Don't forget to save the host 
> radio's config file before doing this so you can restore it!
> Keith WE6R K3/K4 Tech.
> 

From dave at nk7z.net  Tue Mar 30 18:59:23 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 15:59:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Inventorying a K3/P3
In-Reply-To: <f4a8c951-10db-ccf5-da59-a3a2f6c7dd7b@xs4all.nl>
References: <mailman.5449.1617080321.3572.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<f4a8c951-10db-ccf5-da59-a3a2f6c7dd7b@xs4all.nl>
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That is a hell of a good idea!

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 3/30/21 6:35 AM, Geert Jan de Groot wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> First off, sorry for your loss.
> 
> 
> As to options, and especially modifications, I very much would like 
> Elecraft to give each modification a number so there can be a sticker in 
> a radio that says:
> 
> This radio has the following modifications: 01, 02, 03, 04, 06, 08, 12.
> 
> That would make these things much easier.
> 
> For K2, K3, and the KX-en too late, but perhaps for the K4 this can and 
> should be done?
> 
> Geert Jan
> 
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From dave at nk7z.net  Tue Mar 30 19:00:14 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 16:00:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Inventorying a K3/P3
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR08MB5001B752A14279106AC80C1A9C7D9@DM6PR08MB5001.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
References: <8e471848-0598-1105-3bb6-0396b99584f8@nk7z.net>
	<95FD4474-096A-4083-9503-056844DCA0A5@coastside.net>
	<b42aa891-db0c-32e2-5c8d-3a42f30e188a@nk7z.net>
	<DM6PR08MB5001B752A14279106AC80C1A9C7D9@DM6PR08MB5001.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <218dd0c5-9035-a56a-222e-33f584972688@nk7z.net>

Bill, thank you, Keith gave me the needed info!  No need to call.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 3/29/21 9:58 PM, Bill Johnson wrote:
> Given what I have read on the reflector, try calling.  There are so may impatient dolts, I can understand there situation. All the stupid "when will I get mine" I am sure have bogged down their inbox.  Not to say phone messages aren't as well.  But who knows....
> 
> Bill
> K9YEQ
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Dave Cole
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:43 PM....To: Brian Hunt <huntinhmb at coastside.net>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Inventorying a K3/P3
> 
> Hi Brian,
> 
> Thank you for the suggestions, and the tidbits of the additional steps for add on items like new synths, etc.  I have saved your email.
> 
> I have sent Elecraft three seperate email requests across three weeks, and gotten precisely zero replies from support at elecraft.com address...
> 
> Very dissapointing, not even an acknoledgment they got the mail...  It is like firing email into a black hole...
> 
> I just resent the 4th request, this time to sales, support, and webmaster in hopes I can get in touch with someone at the Elecraft!
> 
> I understand things are busy, and I understadn things are diffucult to to COVID, etc., but three weeks, and three requests later I am getting very frustrated.
> 
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> 
> 
> On 3/29/21 5:12 PM, Brian Hunt wrote:
>> Dave,
>> There have also been numerous component adds/mods over the years. Three that I did a couple years ago are 1. Increase the 12vdc accessory power from 500 ma to 1 A. Evidence is a 1A sticker on the rear of the K3. 2. Add a capacitor to the KPA3 to eliminate fan noise pickup evident after the new synthesizers are installed. 3. Addition of a capacitor to the KBPF3 general coverage BPFs to extend coverage down to the 630 meter band. I?m sure there are others. See the mod instructions available on the Elecraft site if you go sleuthing inside the box. These are a bit inconsequential but add value to the K3.
>>
>> Have you thought about asking Elecraft for the work orders for the K3?s S/N?
>>
>> Good luck and thank you for helping out the family. Sorry you lost a friend.
>>
>> 73,
>> Brian, K0DTJ
>>
>>
>>
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From wa6vab at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 19:13:37 2021
From: wa6vab at gmail.com (Ray)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 16:13:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
In-Reply-To: <0ebefcd4-b700-0290-95f6-ba4803927279@gmail.com>
References: <082101d7257d$11a51450$34ef3cf0$@LNAINC.com>
	<f635f682-1730-aa41-f7a6-2bef61d7328c@gmail.com>
	<40DD861D-3557-425B-AD32-B7513301719E@gmail.com>
	<0ebefcd4-b700-0290-95f6-ba4803927279@gmail.com>
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Maybe Eric should just say??..
Life with the corona virus has delayed everything by One Year,
So it is with the Delivery of the K4 !  
I am sure You would not Accept or be Happy Either !
Ray WA6VAB K3 



From: David Gilbert
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:38 PM
To: Hal Massey
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?



If you believe all of that to be true, clearly you haven't been 
following the posts here on the reflector.

Besides, I don't find "if you can't accept being in the dark ask for 
your money back" to be sound business practice.? It certainly wouldn't 
have been tolerated in the large business I ran for several years.

Dave?? AB7E



On 3/30/2021 1:18 PM, Hal Massey wrote:
> David,
>
> Is the customer set you are referring to and claiming to be 
> sympathetic too even in existence? Elecraft will refund money to 
> anyone that asks. Wouldn?t those that can?t have their money tied up 
> have pulled out by now? Wouldn?t those that are upset with the 
> communications be gone by now??
>
> Regards
> -Hal
>
>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:51 AM, David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:ab7echo at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> As the kids say, "cool story, bro."
>>
>> None of it changes the fact that lots of people have put out a lot of 
>> money with almost zero visibility into when they will get their 
>> product, and the K4 situation doesn't have the significantly 
>> leveraged upside that your story did.? There isn't the same 
>> risk/reward ratio here that your example had. Apples and potatoes.
>>
>> There are lots of reasons why Elecraft could be granted some slack 
>> for major and repeated delays in shipping the K4, but the part I 
>> don't understand is the almost total absence of regular communication 
>> on the delivery status.? It makes no sense at all.? If Wayne can find 
>> the time to tell us about his latest pedestrian mobile contact he 
>> should be able to tell his investors where the company stands on 
>> actually producing the product that they paid for.
>>
>> I'm just an interested observer here since I haven't ordered a K4, 
>> but that doesn't change the fact that I sympathize with those who did.
>>
>> Dave? AB7E
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/30/2021 8:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
>>> I can?t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k 
>>> two years ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment. ?NO, actually I 
>>> can.
>>>
>>>
>>> Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I 
>>> had been associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru 
>>> many of the same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new 
>>> product to market. ?The CEO vowed he would run the business as if 
>>> they were broke, which they very nearly were. ?But the employees 
>>> were faithful believers in the company and the product, and worked 
>>> very hard to make it a success.
>>>
>>>
>>> Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me 
>>> that they had sold the company to another industry player (a 
>>> non-competitor) and that they wanted me to join them for lunch to 
>>> discuss the deal. My fear and trepidation slowly disappeared that 
>>> day as I met the new management ?team? (with all the old R&D team 
>>> still hard at work), got viable answers to all the hard questions 
>>> and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion ($10 Million) 
>>> had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease the 
>>> wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of 
>>> further consolidation and rapid development.
>>>
>>>
>>> It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential 
>>> disaster we had all feared.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hang in there. ?Times might seem tough, but there are some very 
>>> smart people at work here.
>>>
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Lyn, W0LEN
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Elecraft-K4 at groups.io <mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io> 
>>> [mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io <mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io>] On 
>>> Behalf Of Ted Roycraft
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM
>>> To: Elecraft-K4 at groups.io <mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io>
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews?
>>>
>>>
>>> The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear 
>>> something official from Elecraft. ?It's been too long since we've 
>>> heard much of anything. ?I would like to know if I can expect my 
>>> Group 1 order, submitted on August 8, 2019, has any chance of 
>>> getting to me before summer, 2021 begins or is it likely that I will 
>>> have to wait another year. ?I could have asked much the same 
>>> question a year ago never expecting that a year from then, there 
>>> would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now. ?By the way, when I 
>>> submitted my order the expected shipping date was estimated to be 
>>> November or December, 2019. That's pre-pandemic.
>>>
>>> 73, Ted, W2ZK
>>>
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From norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 19:22:48 2021
From: norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com (Eric Norris)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 16:22:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
In-Reply-To: <0ebefcd4-b700-0290-95f6-ba4803927279@gmail.com>
References: <082101d7257d$11a51450$34ef3cf0$@LNAINC.com>
	<f635f682-1730-aa41-f7a6-2bef61d7328c@gmail.com>
	<40DD861D-3557-425B-AD32-B7513301719E@gmail.com>
	<0ebefcd4-b700-0290-95f6-ba4803927279@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJSJeL3cuHR23YoZFcVVH_wNCo-1HErEMe7dxzh4iZgtSLDGCg@mail.gmail.com>

Elecraft is unlike all other world-class mfrs of amateur radio
transceivers.  They are very, very small.  They have to be to keep their
margins big enough to compete with giants who mfr marine, aviation, and
consumer electronics.  They can't get away with marketing a KX4 that puts
out ONE WATT more than a KX3 and call it ALL NEW.  If an engineer's house
burns down, they can't easily slide someone else over from another
project.  Same with COVID.

If you ran a company like Elecraft, would you publicize every setback when
every single employee is critical?  No, you wouldn't.  Either give them
more slack, and wait, or go somewhere else and buy something else.  But
please stop the endless whining.

K4s are out there--I hear them on in contests.

Eric has stated they hope to clear the Group 1 backlog by the end of May.
He has also stated that K4 production will ramp up by an order of magnitude
and more.

Remember the K3 rollout?  KPA1500?  NO COVID.  NO WILDFIRES.  I just passed
my two-week vax period, and I am older than almost everybody who works at
Elecraft.  Do the math.

73 Eric WD6DBM

Besides, I don't find "if you can't accept being in the dark ask for
> your money back" to be sound business practice.  It certainly wouldn't
> have been tolerated in the large business I ran for several years.
>

From rick at tavan.com  Tue Mar 30 19:33:11 2021
From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 16:33:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] RUMlog controls K4
Message-ID: <CANVONAJKur=SM5Xv=kSy=YWEgL5duA3h78fJxOOY_Je1QXCYhw@mail.gmail.com>

FWIW, I have very little experience with RUMlog (or Skookum Logger which
may be a predecessor) but if you use RUMlog on your Mac you may be
encouraged by this tidbit: I have it running on MacOS Catalina doing rig
control of the K4 via the USB B port, calling it a K3. I'm keying CW
through the CAT interface which probably means CAT1ASC commands although
the documentation doesn't say. I've used both the general interface and the
contest window, both just enough to believe they work.

If you're a RUMlog expert waiting for your K4 and want to discuss, feel
free to contact me directly.

/Rick N6XI
--

Rick Tavan
Truckee and Saratoga, CA

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Tue Mar 30 19:42:42 2021
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 16:42:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] RUMlog controls K4
In-Reply-To: <CANVONAJKur=SM5Xv=kSy=YWEgL5duA3h78fJxOOY_Je1QXCYhw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANVONAJKur=SM5Xv=kSy=YWEgL5duA3h78fJxOOY_Je1QXCYhw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46CACE26-DA1F-4A26-A1F9-93F7FB5B0F87@wunderwood.org>

Great! RUMlogNG and SkookumLogger are independent efforts.

RUMlogNG (Next Generation) is a general purpose logging program from DL2RUM. He has also written a couple of Elecraft-specific utilities.

https://www.dl2rum.de/rumsoft/RUMLog.html
https://www.dl2rum.de/rumsoft/Elecraft.html

SkookumLogger is a contest-oriented logging program from K1GQ.

https://www.k1gq.com/SkookumLogger/

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Mar 30, 2021, at 4:33 PM, Rick Tavan <rick at tavan.com> wrote:
> 
> FWIW, I have very little experience with RUMlog (or Skookum Logger which
> may be a predecessor) but if you use RUMlog on your Mac you may be
> encouraged by this tidbit: I have it running on MacOS Catalina doing rig
> control of the K4 via the USB B port, calling it a K3. I'm keying CW
> through the CAT interface which probably means CAT1ASC commands although
> the documentation doesn't say. I've used both the general interface and the
> contest window, both just enough to believe they work.
> 
> If you're a RUMlog expert waiting for your K4 and want to discuss, feel
> free to contact me directly.
> 
> /Rick N6XI
> --
> 
> Rick Tavan
> Truckee and Saratoga, CA
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From w4sc at windstream.net  Tue Mar 30 19:45:28 2021
From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 19:45:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Just worked K6M with my KX2 ar 10W
Message-ID: <05.82.12620.C18B3606@smtp02.aqua.bos.sync.lan>

Work K6M/8  LMS special event station on 7172.  Got ?1st call!!!  Fun!!!
De Ben W4SC

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From lawresh at woh.rr.com  Tue Mar 30 19:51:22 2021
From: lawresh at woh.rr.com (SteveL)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 19:51:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
In-Reply-To: <1ed8c1d7-dff1-cd41-fd30-11be7e17b6b6@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <082101d7257d$11a51450$34ef3cf0$@LNAINC.com>
	<f635f682-1730-aa41-f7a6-2bef61d7328c@gmail.com>
	<40DD861D-3557-425B-AD32-B7513301719E@gmail.com>
	<09680b80-073e-a58b-aa5e-aa0549fec41f@w0mu.com>
	<1ed8c1d7-dff1-cd41-fd30-11be7e17b6b6@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <89C3C00D-3CDB-4AF5-B2B3-1046A7E62D48@woh.rr.com>

I think there were also Elecraft employees who sadly lost their houses in the wild fires of last summer.  That plus pandemic plus loss of IC fab house(s) in Asia plus cancelation of most all Ham conventions last year - just a lot to endure in the last 12 months - I do not envy anyone trying to keep a business afloat, and deliver hi-tech products.

Then just when you thing you?ve got it pulled together, you get a container ship - with 20,000 container capacity(!), one of the worlds biggest ships  (over 4 football fields in length!!!) - wedged sideways across the Suez, and 400+ ships backed up behind - it?s crazy.

Try to buy a new quality bicycle today, say priced at $1k or more.  The shops in my area are quoting 1.5 year delivery on Trek and recommending Craig?s List !!?&^!@!

It?s just crazy.  A perfect storm in so many ways and so many fronts.  Hang in there!

Steve
aa8af



> 
> 
>> t is puzzling to see the lack of substantive information as other have posted.  This has not been how Wayne and Eric and Elecraft have operated in the past.
> 
> We're in the midst of a pandemic. Elecraft is a small company, and they've had COVID in house. Systems that were set up for people working in their office/lab/factory break down when that isn't possible.
> 


From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Tue Mar 30 20:57:58 2021
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 19:57:58 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
In-Reply-To: <89C3C00D-3CDB-4AF5-B2B3-1046A7E62D48@woh.rr.com>
References: <082101d7257d$11a51450$34ef3cf0$@LNAINC.com>	<f635f682-1730-aa41-f7a6-2bef61d7328c@gmail.com>	<40DD861D-3557-425B-AD32-B7513301719E@gmail.com>	<09680b80-073e-a58b-aa5e-aa0549fec41f@w0mu.com>	<1ed8c1d7-dff1-cd41-fd30-11be7e17b6b6@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<89C3C00D-3CDB-4AF5-B2B3-1046A7E62D48@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <0ad801d725c8$e4d218a0$ae7649e0$@LNAINC.com>

Hmmmm ....

Anybody interested in trading a new K4 (when you get it) for a couple of really fine Chinese (they all are, folks ...) bicycles?  I give up the bikes when you give up the K4.

Deal?  Just checking ...

73
Lyn, W0LEN

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of SteveL
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 6:51 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

I think there were also Elecraft employees who sadly lost their houses in the wild fires of last summer.  That plus pandemic plus loss of IC fab house(s) in Asia plus cancelation of most all Ham conventions last year - just a lot to endure in the last 12 months - I do not envy anyone trying to keep a business afloat, and deliver hi-tech products.

Then just when you thing you?ve got it pulled together, you get a container ship - with 20,000 container capacity(!), one of the worlds biggest ships  (over 4 football fields in length!!!) - wedged sideways across the Suez, and 400+ ships backed up behind - it?s crazy.

Try to buy a new quality bicycle today, say priced at $1k or more.  The shops in my area are quoting 1.5 year delivery on Trek and recommending Craig?s List !!?&^!@!

It?s just crazy.  A perfect storm in so many ways and so many fronts.  Hang in there!

Steve
aa8af

 


From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Tue Mar 30 20:59:59 2021
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 20:59:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] RUMlog controls K4
In-Reply-To: <CANVONAJKur=SM5Xv=kSy=YWEgL5duA3h78fJxOOY_Je1QXCYhw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-9B66EFCF2DA74F09A5893E9F28929302@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

On 3/30/21 at 7:33 PM, rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan) wrote:

>FWIW, I have very little experience with RUMlog (or Skookum Logger which
>may be a predecessor) but if you use RUMlog on your Mac you may be
>encouraged by this tidbit: I have it running on MacOS Catalina doing rig
>control of the K4 via the USB B port, calling it a K3. I'm keying CW
>through the CAT interface which probably means CAT1ASC commands although
>the documentation doesn't say. I've used both the general interface and the
>contest window, both just enough to believe they work.

I have run RUMlogNG for several years, including using it for CW 
and RTTY contests. I have even hooked a protocol analyser up on 
the RS-232 link between it and the radio to try to chase down a 
problem. It has a very interesting approach to sending and 
receiving CW and RTTY through the K3. It does both through the 
CAT interface. To transmit, it uses KY and TB commands to keep 
the radio from buffering more than 2 or 3 characters so the ESC 
key will stop transmission promptly.

For example, to send AE6JV<space><eot> with the K3's response in [brackets]:

KY A;[KY0;]TB;[TB000;]
KY E6;[KY0;]TB;[TB200;]
KY J;[KY0;]TB;[TB200;]
KY V;[KY0;]TB;[TB300;]TB;[TB200;]
KY  ;[KY0;]TB;[TB300;]TB;[TB200;]
KY 
<04>;[KY0;]TB;[TB300;]TB;[TB200;]TB;[TB100;]TB;[TB000;]TB;TB000; etc.

I have not carefully traced the receive path.

The problem I was trying to track down is the failure to 
correctly chain transmissions in RTTY mode. CW works fine. If, 
for example, I press F4 twice to send my call sign twice, the 
radio will transmit AE6JV E6JV, dropping the first character 
from the second press of F4. I used my KX3 to monitor what was 
actually being transmitted. I got lots of useful advice from 
N6TV in running these tests.


>If you're a RUMlog expert waiting for your K4 and want to discuss, feel
>free to contact me directly.

I won't say I'm a RUMlog expert, and I'm waiting for the K4 kit, 
but if I can help, please let me know.

73 Bill AE6JV


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From ab7echo at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 19:19:22 2021
From: ab7echo at gmail.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 16:19:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
In-Reply-To: <6063b0a1.1c69fb81.718b1.0753@mx.google.com>
References: <082101d7257d$11a51450$34ef3cf0$@LNAINC.com>
	<f635f682-1730-aa41-f7a6-2bef61d7328c@gmail.com>
	<40DD861D-3557-425B-AD32-B7513301719E@gmail.com>
	<0ebefcd4-b700-0290-95f6-ba4803927279@gmail.com>
	<6063b0a1.1c69fb81.718b1.0753@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <c8653037-bbc5-2ecf-f073-47d93d995e0b@gmail.com>


Not true.? You're wrong, and you're just trying to obfuscate the point.

As I said, I don't have a K4 on order, but if I did have one on order 
and was given a clear projection that I could count on, at least I'd 
have what I needed to make an informed decision and I'd be satisfied 
with that.? Those who have invested in the K4 don't have that.

Dave?? AB7E



On 3/30/2021 4:13 PM, Ray wrote:
>
> Maybe Eric should just say??..
>
> Life with the corona virus has delayed everything by One Year,
>
> So it is with the Delivery of the K4 !
>
> I am sure You would *not Accept or be Happy Either !*
>
> Ray WA6VAB K3
>
> *From: *David Gilbert <mailto:ab7echo at gmail.com>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:38 PM
> *To: *Hal Massey <mailto:haljr.massey at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
>
> If you believe all of that to be true, clearly you haven't been
>
> following the posts here on the reflector.
>
> Besides, I don't find "if you can't accept being in the dark ask for
>
> your money back" to be sound business practice.? It certainly wouldn't
>
> have been tolerated in the large business I ran for several years.
>
> Dave?? AB7E
>
> On 3/30/2021 1:18 PM, Hal Massey wrote:
>
> > David,
>
> >
>
> > Is the customer set you are referring to and claiming to be
>
> > sympathetic too even in existence? Elecraft will refund money to
>
> > anyone that asks. Wouldn?t those that can?t have their money tied up
>
> > have pulled out by now? Wouldn?t those that are upset with the
>
> > communications be gone by now??
>
> >
>
> > Regards
>
> > -Hal
>
> >
>
> >> On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:51 AM, David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com
>
> >> <mailto:ab7echo at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> As the kids say, "cool story, bro."
>
> >>
>
> >> None of it changes the fact that lots of people have put out a lot of
>
> >> money with almost zero visibility into when they will get their
>
> >> product, and the K4 situation doesn't have the significantly
>
> >> leveraged upside that your story did.? There isn't the same
>
> >> risk/reward ratio here that your example had. Apples and potatoes.
>
> >>
>
> >> There are lots of reasons why Elecraft could be granted some slack
>
> >> for major and repeated delays in shipping the K4, but the part I
>
> >> don't understand is the almost total absence of regular communication
>
> >> on the delivery status.? It makes no sense at all.? If Wayne can find
>
> >> the time to tell us about his latest pedestrian mobile contact he
>
> >> should be able to tell his investors where the company stands on
>
> >> actually producing the product that they paid for.
>
> >>
>
> >> I'm just an interested observer here since I haven't ordered a K4,
>
> >> but that doesn't change the fact that I sympathize with those who did.
>
> >>
>
> >> Dave? AB7E
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> On 3/30/2021 8:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
>
> >>> I can?t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k
>
> >>> two years ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment. ?NO, actually I
>
> >>> can.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I
>
> >>> had been associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru
>
> >>> many of the same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new
>
> >>> product to market. ?The CEO vowed he would run the business as if
>
> >>> they were broke, which they very nearly were. ?But the employees
>
> >>> were faithful believers in the company and the product, and worked
>
> >>> very hard to make it a success.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me
>
> >>> that they had sold the company to another industry player (a
>
> >>> non-competitor) and that they wanted me to join them for lunch to
>
> >>> discuss the deal. My fear and trepidation slowly disappeared that
>
> >>> day as I met the new management ?team? (with all the old R&D team
>
> >>> still hard at work), got viable answers to all the hard questions
>
> >>> and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion ($10 Million)
>
> >>> had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease the
>
> >>> wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of
>
> >>> further consolidation and rapid development.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential
>
> >>> disaster we had all feared.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Hang in there. ?Times might seem tough, but there are some very
>
> >>> smart people at work here.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> 73
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Lyn, W0LEN
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> From: Elecraft-K4 at groups.io <mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io>
>
> >>> [mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io <mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io>] On
>
> >>> Behalf Of Ted Roycraft
>
> >>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM
>
> >>> To: Elecraft-K4 at groups.io <mailto:Elecraft-K4 at groups.io>
>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews?
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear
>
> >>> something official from Elecraft. ?It's been too long since we've
>
> >>> heard much of anything. ?I would like to know if I can expect my
>
> >>> Group 1 order, submitted on August 8, 2019, has any chance of
>
> >>> getting to me before summer, 2021 begins or is it likely that I will
>
> >>> have to wait another year. ?I could have asked much the same
>
> >>> question a year ago never expecting that a year from then, there
>
> >>> would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now. ?By the way, when I
>
> >>> submitted my order the expected shipping date was estimated to be
>
> >>> November or December, 2019. That's pre-pandemic.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> 73, Ted, W2ZK
>
> >>>
>
> >>> ______________________________________________________________
>
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>
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From ab7echo at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 19:37:45 2021
From: ab7echo at gmail.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 16:37:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
In-Reply-To: <CAJSJeL3cuHR23YoZFcVVH_wNCo-1HErEMe7dxzh4iZgtSLDGCg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<40DD861D-3557-425B-AD32-B7513301719E@gmail.com>
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Uhh .. I'm not the one doing the whining.? The guys who post here asking 
when they might actually know when they will get their K4 are the ones 
you should maybe be accusing.? I'm just making an outsider observation 
on their behalf.

Besides, this isn't a marketing issue.? It's a simple communications 
issue, and like I said ... if we can hear about QRP contacts and 
pedestrian mobile contacts, the folks who actually invested 
interest-free money for the last 20 months or so probably have a right 
to equal consideration.

Dave ? AB7E



On 3/30/2021 4:22 PM, Eric Norris wrote:
> Elecraft is unlike all other world-class mfrs of amateur radio 
> transceivers.? They are very, very small.? They have to be to keep 
> their margins big enough to compete with giants who mfr marine, 
> aviation, and consumer electronics.? They can't get away with 
> marketing a KX4 that puts out ONE WATT more than a KX3 and call it ALL 
> NEW.? If an engineer's house burns down, they can't easily slide 
> someone else over from another project.? Same with COVID.
>
> If you ran a company like Elecraft, would you publicize every setback 
> when every single employee is critical?? No, you wouldn't.? Either 
> give them more slack, and wait, or go somewhere else and buy something 
> else.? But please stop the endless whining.
>
> K4s are out there--I hear them on in contests.
>
> Eric has stated they hope to clear the Group 1 backlog by the end of 
> May.? He has also stated that K4 production will ramp up by an order 
> of magnitude and more.
>
> Remember the K3 rollout?? KPA1500?? NO COVID. NO WILDFIRES.? I just 
> passed my two-week vax period, and I am older than almost everybody 
> who works at Elecraft.? Do the math.
>
> 73 Eric WD6DBM
>
>     Besides, I don't find "if you can't accept being in the dark ask for
>     your money back" to be sound business practice.? It certainly
>     wouldn't
>     have been tolerated in the large business I ran for several years.
>


From kimochun at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 11:23:37 2021
From: kimochun at gmail.com (Kimo Chun)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 05:23:37 -1000
Subject: [Elecraft] QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping schedule
Message-ID: <CAG4eVbXUEODJdAJtFVveQjN47L1_uVnALnhDjX9sj-8A5S3LmA@mail.gmail.com>

Presentation from the Expo.
Elecraft K4 High Performance Direct-Sampling SDR Transceiver, Eric Swartz
WA6HHQ <https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/player.html?link=NTI4MjQzNTQ1>

Perhaps more recent announcements by Elecraft have superseded this.
I realize others have already mentioned some of this. But I thought I'd go
back (for the 3rd time) to try to itemize some of Eric's statements. Note:
I don't take dictation and didn't spend a lot of time replaying it over and
over to get everything verbatim. Nor replaying the whole thing.
These are my interpretations and words. Please pardon any omissions or
errors. Go listen for yourself. The delivery time frames are based on the
Expo date: March 13, 2021.

Check minutes 17:00 to about 20:00 and around 1:22:00 on. There are other
segments.
-He discusses the supply problems they had due to COVID and how they have
now amassed an inventory of the long lead time items in the last 3 to 4
weeks. A local chassis supplier was one of the most recent hang ups. Plus
parts stuck in shipments the COVID-restricted Longshoremen haven't handled
yet. They are now smoothing things out and production will be ramping up.

Kit versions are at least 4 to 5 months out.
-They are still learning and modifying production techniques which will
make it easier to build. Then how-to documentation must be updated.
-The first day orders 16th (2019?) at Dayton, may be fulfilled soon.
-The second day orders 17th will be 3 to 4 weeks or longer after Group A is
done.
-Group B is even larger than Group A.
-Orders kept coming in all summer after Dayton and have dropped to a
consistent medium rate. Some spikes like when it was announced they started
shipping.
-When asked, "If I were to order a K4 right now, how long would I have to
wait?", he answered, "Over 3 to 4 months".
- I asked the very last question - When will the K4HD be finalized? He
said, "Conservatively... by the end of the year". So production comes
sometime thereafter. Plug in upgrades to the K4D, presumably, first for
those who ordered K4HD but took the K4D first.
- Testimonials from K4 owners would be found on the Elecraft-K4 GroupsIO
list.

Side bar: somewhere else in the presentation he said Group A
will, hopefully, be completed in the next month or so (did I get this
right? I didn't find that section). Group B (even larger) comes after that.
I haven't re-checked the definition of Group A and B sorry.

I hope this helps some of you with delivery anxiety.
73,
Kimo KH7U
(Happy with my almost new K3S s/n 11727, so the K4 is but a dream down the
road. I tend to be the opposite of bleeding edge).

From nelasat at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 31 11:42:48 2021
From: nelasat at yahoo.com (Keith Ennis)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 15:42:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KV5J's line of Digital Displays for Elecraft's W2,
 KXPA100, KPA500, KAT500 and KPA1500
References: <1192374471.1195782.1617205368131.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1192374471.1195782.1617205368131@mail.yahoo.com>

Digital Display Unit for Elecraft's W2 Watt Meter:
?
?
With digital read out the Display Unit takes the guess work out of the LED light bar.
?
?
https://www.eham.net/reviews/view-product?id=14820
?
?
?
?
Digital Display Unit for Elecraft's KXPA100 amplifier:
?
?
Don't wait for a fault light to come on.? Keep an eye on 5 crucial readings at all times.
1. Power amplifier's heat sink temperature
2. Power amplifier's high voltage supply voltage
3. Power amplifier's current
4. Power amplifier's output power
5. SWR that the KXPA100 sees at its output
?
?
?
?
Digital Display Unit for Elecraft's KPA500 amplifier:
?
?
Instead of seeing only 1 crucial reading, monitor all 7 at the same time.
1. Power amplifier's heat sink temperature
2. Power amplifier's high voltage supply voltage
3. Power amplifier's current
4. Power amplifier's output power
5. SWR that the KPA500 sees at its output
6. Displays Operate/Standby mode
7. Displays Band amp is tuned to
?
?
https://www.eham.net/reviews/view-product?id=14701
?
?
Digital Display Unit for KAT500:
?
?
This unit displays the front panel settings.
If the tuner is in bypass or not.
Displays the capacitance and inductance used.
What type of circuit is used. LC or CL.
SWR of both before and after a tune cycle is completed.
?
?
?
?
Digital Display Unit for Elecraft's KPA1500 amplifier:
?
?
Displays the same display that is on the KPA1500 Amplifier?
Change the display on the KPA1500 and the display changes to show this same screen
?
?
?
?
All of the Digital Display Units:
?
?
Display Unit can be located at a more visible location
Up to the RS232 limit from unit
?
?
Easy to read 2 line display
No USB or serial cable to computer
No com port in Windows to manage
No computer needed
Plug and Play
Simply connect the SUPPLIED dc power cable (with inline on/off switch) from the DDU to power supply and SUPPLIED? SERIAL data jumper cable to the device
Retains all functions of the front panel
All displayed info obtained directly from the device
?
?
Only 4" x 4" x 2"
?
?
?
?
For more information and ordering go to:? ?http://www.kv5j.com/store
?
?
Keith,KV5J
http://www.kv5j.com
?

From david.n5dch at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 12:13:04 2021
From: david.n5dch at gmail.com (David Herring)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 10:13:04 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping
 schedule
In-Reply-To: <CAG4eVbXUEODJdAJtFVveQjN47L1_uVnALnhDjX9sj-8A5S3LmA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG4eVbXUEODJdAJtFVveQjN47L1_uVnALnhDjX9sj-8A5S3LmA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0B0ED593-4865-46BE-BB56-C1AA69EE051C@gmail.com>

Further to this excellent post, Eric did say that, at that point in time, his expectation was that the group A backlog would be cleared by end of May.  I didn?t go back through the video to find it, but I was watching one of his presentations live and did hear that. 

Another thing that Wayne mentioned in one of the meeting rooms was that at one point Elecraft had to go back and re-design a portion of the K4 because tariffs levied on certain parts from certain countries would have rendered the project unaffordable. 

What?s more, and I don?t recall which of them said it, but Elecraft apparently had to deal with retirements of certain important people in the process. 

Ordinarily I?d never wait 2+ years for delivery of a product I?d ordered, perhaps many of us wouldn?t, but?

Tariffs, Retirements, The Pandemic, Employees Down With COVID, Wild Fires (and employee loss of property), Vendor Delays?

None of that was under Elecraft?s control. Not much of that could have been foreseen.  ?Stuff? happens.

That is why, I imagine, most of us K4 investors are just patiently waiting.  Content to give them the space they need to press on with addressing the issues as they come and moving forward.

73,
David - N5DCH



> On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Kimo Chun <kimochun at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Presentation from the Expo.
> Elecraft K4 High Performance Direct-Sampling SDR Transceiver, Eric Swartz
> WA6HHQ <https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/player.html?link=NTI4MjQzNTQ1>
> 
> Perhaps more recent announcements by Elecraft have superseded this.
> I realize others have already mentioned some of this. But I thought I'd go
> back (for the 3rd time) to try to itemize some of Eric's statements. Note:
> I don't take dictation and didn't spend a lot of time replaying it over and
> over to get everything verbatim. Nor replaying the whole thing.
> These are my interpretations and words. Please pardon any omissions or
> errors. Go listen for yourself. The delivery time frames are based on the
> Expo date: March 13, 2021.
> 
> Check minutes 17:00 to about 20:00 and around 1:22:00 on. There are other
> segments.
> -He discusses the supply problems they had due to COVID and how they have
> now amassed an inventory of the long lead time items in the last 3 to 4
> weeks. A local chassis supplier was one of the most recent hang ups. Plus
> parts stuck in shipments the COVID-restricted Longshoremen haven't handled
> yet. They are now smoothing things out and production will be ramping up.
> 
> Kit versions are at least 4 to 5 months out.
> -They are still learning and modifying production techniques which will
> make it easier to build. Then how-to documentation must be updated.
> -The first day orders 16th (2019?) at Dayton, may be fulfilled soon.
> -The second day orders 17th will be 3 to 4 weeks or longer after Group A is
> done.
> -Group B is even larger than Group A.
> -Orders kept coming in all summer after Dayton and have dropped to a
> consistent medium rate. Some spikes like when it was announced they started
> shipping.
> -When asked, "If I were to order a K4 right now, how long would I have to
> wait?", he answered, "Over 3 to 4 months".
> - I asked the very last question - When will the K4HD be finalized? He
> said, "Conservatively... by the end of the year". So production comes
> sometime thereafter. Plug in upgrades to the K4D, presumably, first for
> those who ordered K4HD but took the K4D first.
> - Testimonials from K4 owners would be found on the Elecraft-K4 GroupsIO
> list.
> 
> Side bar: somewhere else in the presentation he said Group A
> will, hopefully, be completed in the next month or so (did I get this
> right? I didn't find that section). Group B (even larger) comes after that.
> I haven't re-checked the definition of Group A and B sorry.
> 
> I hope this helps some of you with delivery anxiety.
> 73,
> Kimo KH7U
> (Happy with my almost new K3S s/n 11727, so the K4 is but a dream down the
> road. I tend to be the opposite of bleeding edge).
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From john at kk9a.com  Wed Mar 31 13:34:38 2021
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 12:34:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
Message-ID: <20210331123438.Horde._rGbbcF2il5e4tXvkt-dEuJ@www11.qth.com>

The corona virus may have delayed kid's education and the K4 for a  
year but certainly not everything.  Most products are still being  
manufactured and are available.

John KK9A



Ray wa6vab wrote:

Maybe Eric should just say??..
Life with the corona virus has delayed everything by One Year,
So it is with the Delivery of the K4 !
I am sure You would not Accept or be Happy Either !
Ray WA6VAB K3


From w0mu at w0mu.com  Wed Mar 31 14:15:36 2021
From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 12:15:36 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping
 schedule
In-Reply-To: <0B0ED593-4865-46BE-BB56-C1AA69EE051C@gmail.com>
References: <CAG4eVbXUEODJdAJtFVveQjN47L1_uVnALnhDjX9sj-8A5S3LmA@mail.gmail.com>
	<0B0ED593-4865-46BE-BB56-C1AA69EE051C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1c799e2c-5730-8802-e993-42f3711e9de7@w0mu.com>

The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us 
these things like they used to?

I hear lots of excuses.? Sure there are supply line problems for 
everyone.? HRO still has lots of product.? Elecraft has a big competitor 
in FLEX are they having similar issues?? I hear that some big box radios 
have some wait times but not in the years category.

K4 investor?? You have not invested in the company you are a customer 
unless I missed the profit sharing version of the K4.

Most people have given them lots of slack. Why is communicating with 
people that have fronted you lots of money to make this radio possible 
so difficult.? I don't get it.

I don't have a K4 on order either but if I did I might be concerned.

W0MU

On 3/31/2021 10:13 AM, David Herring wrote:
> Further to this excellent post, Eric did say that, at that point in time, his expectation was that the group A backlog would be cleared by end of May.  I didn?t go back through the video to find it, but I was watching one of his presentations live and did hear that.
>
> Another thing that Wayne mentioned in one of the meeting rooms was that at one point Elecraft had to go back and re-design a portion of the K4 because tariffs levied on certain parts from certain countries would have rendered the project unaffordable.
>
> What?s more, and I don?t recall which of them said it, but Elecraft apparently had to deal with retirements of certain important people in the process.
>
> Ordinarily I?d never wait 2+ years for delivery of a product I?d ordered, perhaps many of us wouldn?t, but?
>
> Tariffs, Retirements, The Pandemic, Employees Down With COVID, Wild Fires (and employee loss of property), Vendor Delays?
>
> None of that was under Elecraft?s control. Not much of that could have been foreseen.  ?Stuff? happens.
>
> That is why, I imagine, most of us K4 investors are just patiently waiting.  Content to give them the space they need to press on with addressing the issues as they come and moving forward.
>
> 73,
> David - N5DCH
>
>
>
>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Kimo Chun <kimochun at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Presentation from the Expo.
>> Elecraft K4 High Performance Direct-Sampling SDR Transceiver, Eric Swartz
>> WA6HHQ <https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/player.html?link=NTI4MjQzNTQ1>
>>
>> Perhaps more recent announcements by Elecraft have superseded this.
>> I realize others have already mentioned some of this. But I thought I'd go
>> back (for the 3rd time) to try to itemize some of Eric's statements. Note:
>> I don't take dictation and didn't spend a lot of time replaying it over and
>> over to get everything verbatim. Nor replaying the whole thing.
>> These are my interpretations and words. Please pardon any omissions or
>> errors. Go listen for yourself. The delivery time frames are based on the
>> Expo date: March 13, 2021.
>>
>> Check minutes 17:00 to about 20:00 and around 1:22:00 on. There are other
>> segments.
>> -He discusses the supply problems they had due to COVID and how they have
>> now amassed an inventory of the long lead time items in the last 3 to 4
>> weeks. A local chassis supplier was one of the most recent hang ups. Plus
>> parts stuck in shipments the COVID-restricted Longshoremen haven't handled
>> yet. They are now smoothing things out and production will be ramping up.
>>
>> Kit versions are at least 4 to 5 months out.
>> -They are still learning and modifying production techniques which will
>> make it easier to build. Then how-to documentation must be updated.
>> -The first day orders 16th (2019?) at Dayton, may be fulfilled soon.
>> -The second day orders 17th will be 3 to 4 weeks or longer after Group A is
>> done.
>> -Group B is even larger than Group A.
>> -Orders kept coming in all summer after Dayton and have dropped to a
>> consistent medium rate. Some spikes like when it was announced they started
>> shipping.
>> -When asked, "If I were to order a K4 right now, how long would I have to
>> wait?", he answered, "Over 3 to 4 months".
>> - I asked the very last question - When will the K4HD be finalized? He
>> said, "Conservatively... by the end of the year". So production comes
>> sometime thereafter. Plug in upgrades to the K4D, presumably, first for
>> those who ordered K4HD but took the K4D first.
>> - Testimonials from K4 owners would be found on the Elecraft-K4 GroupsIO
>> list.
>>
>> Side bar: somewhere else in the presentation he said Group A
>> will, hopefully, be completed in the next month or so (did I get this
>> right? I didn't find that section). Group B (even larger) comes after that.
>> I haven't re-checked the definition of Group A and B sorry.
>>
>> I hope this helps some of you with delivery anxiety.
>> 73,
>> Kimo KH7U
>> (Happy with my almost new K3S s/n 11727, so the K4 is but a dream down the
>> road. I tend to be the opposite of bleeding edge).
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Wed Mar 31 14:16:09 2021
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 11:16:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
In-Reply-To: <20210331123438.Horde._rGbbcF2il5e4tXvkt-dEuJ@www11.qth.com>
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Just not true. The Ford F-150 production is limited by parts availability. In November, our order for a new fridge was canceled and the model is still not available. If huge industries like autos and appliances can?t get parts sourced, little guys like Elecraft have to wait or redesign.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/chips-seating-foam-plastics-parts-shortages-continue-cripple-auto-industry-n1261773

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Mar 31, 2021, at 10:34 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
> 
> The corona virus may have delayed kid's education and the K4 for a year but certainly not everything.  Most products are still being manufactured and are available.
> 
> John KK9A
> 
> 
> 
> Ray wa6vab wrote:
> 
> Maybe Eric should just say??..
> Life with the corona virus has delayed everything by One Year,
> So it is with the Delivery of the K4 !
> I am sure You would not Accept or be Happy Either !
> Ray WA6VAB K3
> 
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From julia at juliatuttle.net  Wed Mar 31 14:24:04 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 14:24:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping
	schedule
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"The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
these things like they used to?"

Yes, that, right there.

However much they are or aren't going to say, why do we have to watch event
videos to hear it?

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:16 W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu at w0mu.com> wrote:

> The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
> these things like they used to?
>
> I hear lots of excuses.  Sure there are supply line problems for
> everyone.  HRO still has lots of product.  Elecraft has a big competitor
> in FLEX are they having similar issues?  I hear that some big box radios
> have some wait times but not in the years category.
>
> K4 investor?  You have not invested in the company you are a customer
> unless I missed the profit sharing version of the K4.
>
> Most people have given them lots of slack. Why is communicating with
> people that have fronted you lots of money to make this radio possible
> so difficult.  I don't get it.
>
> I don't have a K4 on order either but if I did I might be concerned.
>
> W0MU
>
> On 3/31/2021 10:13 AM, David Herring wrote:
> > Further to this excellent post, Eric did say that, at that point in
> time, his expectation was that the group A backlog would be cleared by end
> of May.  I didn?t go back through the video to find it, but I was watching
> one of his presentations live and did hear that.
> >
> > Another thing that Wayne mentioned in one of the meeting rooms was that
> at one point Elecraft had to go back and re-design a portion of the K4
> because tariffs levied on certain parts from certain countries would have
> rendered the project unaffordable.
> >
> > What?s more, and I don?t recall which of them said it, but Elecraft
> apparently had to deal with retirements of certain important people in the
> process.
> >
> > Ordinarily I?d never wait 2+ years for delivery of a product I?d
> ordered, perhaps many of us wouldn?t, but?
> >
> > Tariffs, Retirements, The Pandemic, Employees Down With COVID, Wild
> Fires (and employee loss of property), Vendor Delays?
> >
> > None of that was under Elecraft?s control. Not much of that could have
> been foreseen.  ?Stuff? happens.
> >
> > That is why, I imagine, most of us K4 investors are just patiently
> waiting.  Content to give them the space they need to press on with
> addressing the issues as they come and moving forward.
> >
> > 73,
> > David - N5DCH
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Kimo Chun <kimochun at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Presentation from the Expo.
> >> Elecraft K4 High Performance Direct-Sampling SDR Transceiver, Eric
> Swartz
> >> WA6HHQ <https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/player.html?link=NTI4MjQzNTQ1>
> >>
> >> Perhaps more recent announcements by Elecraft have superseded this.
> >> I realize others have already mentioned some of this. But I thought I'd
> go
> >> back (for the 3rd time) to try to itemize some of Eric's statements.
> Note:
> >> I don't take dictation and didn't spend a lot of time replaying it over
> and
> >> over to get everything verbatim. Nor replaying the whole thing.
> >> These are my interpretations and words. Please pardon any omissions or
> >> errors. Go listen for yourself. The delivery time frames are based on
> the
> >> Expo date: March 13, 2021.
> >>
> >> Check minutes 17:00 to about 20:00 and around 1:22:00 on. There are
> other
> >> segments.
> >> -He discusses the supply problems they had due to COVID and how they
> have
> >> now amassed an inventory of the long lead time items in the last 3 to 4
> >> weeks. A local chassis supplier was one of the most recent hang ups.
> Plus
> >> parts stuck in shipments the COVID-restricted Longshoremen haven't
> handled
> >> yet. They are now smoothing things out and production will be ramping
> up.
> >>
> >> Kit versions are at least 4 to 5 months out.
> >> -They are still learning and modifying production techniques which will
> >> make it easier to build. Then how-to documentation must be updated.
> >> -The first day orders 16th (2019?) at Dayton, may be fulfilled soon.
> >> -The second day orders 17th will be 3 to 4 weeks or longer after Group
> A is
> >> done.
> >> -Group B is even larger than Group A.
> >> -Orders kept coming in all summer after Dayton and have dropped to a
> >> consistent medium rate. Some spikes like when it was announced they
> started
> >> shipping.
> >> -When asked, "If I were to order a K4 right now, how long would I have
> to
> >> wait?", he answered, "Over 3 to 4 months".
> >> - I asked the very last question - When will the K4HD be finalized? He
> >> said, "Conservatively... by the end of the year". So production comes
> >> sometime thereafter. Plug in upgrades to the K4D, presumably, first for
> >> those who ordered K4HD but took the K4D first.
> >> - Testimonials from K4 owners would be found on the Elecraft-K4 GroupsIO
> >> list.
> >>
> >> Side bar: somewhere else in the presentation he said Group A
> >> will, hopefully, be completed in the next month or so (did I get this
> >> right? I didn't find that section). Group B (even larger) comes after
> that.
> >> I haven't re-checked the definition of Group A and B sorry.
> >>
> >> I hope this helps some of you with delivery anxiety.
> >> 73,
> >> Kimo KH7U
> >> (Happy with my almost new K3S s/n 11727, so the K4 is but a dream down
> the
> >> road. I tend to be the opposite of bleeding edge).
> >> ______________________________________________________________
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From kc6zkt at effable.com  Wed Mar 31 14:26:10 2021
From: kc6zkt at effable.com (Steve KC6ZKT)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 11:26:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
In-Reply-To: <20210331123438.Horde._rGbbcF2il5e4tXvkt-dEuJ@www11.qth.com>
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In my day job, working for a supplier of technology to a wide swath of 
consumer electronics manufacturers, I've observed over the past year 
major shifts in demand and the kinds of products people are buying. 
There have been surges in demand for some categories of products, and 
collapses in demand for other categories; all of which foil production 
and distribution plans which are normally designed to play-out of 18-36 
months. There have been supply chain disruptions. There have been 
shipping and logistics disruptions. The disruptions go deep into almost 
every component and service you can imagine.

Elecraft, or any small company building a niche product, who manages to 
stay solvent throughout all of this disruption is to be admired, even if 
their plans need to change radically.

As for the perceived lack of communication: I can also understand their 
reluctance to say much when they have their own uncertainty about the 
future.

About me: I'm happy to wait to order a K4 until they offer the kit. For 
me, it's a hobby, not my livelihood.


On 3/31/21 10:34 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
> The corona virus may have delayed kid's education and the K4 for a year 
> but certainly not everything.? Most products are still being 
> manufactured and are available.
> 
> John KK9A
> 
> 
> 
> Ray wa6vab wrote:
> 
> Maybe Eric should just say??..
> Life with the corona virus has delayed everything by One Year,
> So it is with the Delivery of the K4 !
> I am sure You would not Accept or be Happy Either !
> Ray WA6VAB K3

-- 
--... ...--
SteveSgt, KC6ZKT, @CM97bj73

From haljr.massey at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 14:29:37 2021
From: haljr.massey at gmail.com (Hal Massey)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 12:29:37 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping
 schedule
In-Reply-To: <1c799e2c-5730-8802-e993-42f3711e9de7@w0mu.com>
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They did communicate and recently. Did you miss that? 

I also cracked up at the word investor. Customer and investor are worlds apart. 

Are you an actual stake holder in this conversation? I am. I paid in advance for my K4.


I don?t feel like I need anymore communications than I have already received. Nor do I feel like rehashing this over and over or having non stake holders popping off randomly will make any difference. Did I miss something? 

Regards
-Hal



> On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:15 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu at w0mu.com> wrote:
> 
> The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us these things like they used to?
> 
> I hear lots of excuses.  Sure there are supply line problems for everyone.  HRO still has lots of product.  Elecraft has a big competitor in FLEX are they having similar issues?  I hear that some big box radios have some wait times but not in the years category.
> 
> K4 investor?  You have not invested in the company you are a customer unless I missed the profit sharing version of the K4.
> 
> Most people have given them lots of slack. Why is communicating with people that have fronted you lots of money to make this radio possible so difficult.  I don't get it.
> 
> I don't have a K4 on order either but if I did I might be concerned.
> 
> W0MU
> 
> On 3/31/2021 10:13 AM, David Herring wrote:
>> Further to this excellent post, Eric did say that, at that point in time, his expectation was that the group A backlog would be cleared by end of May.  I didn?t go back through the video to find it, but I was watching one of his presentations live and did hear that.
>> 
>> Another thing that Wayne mentioned in one of the meeting rooms was that at one point Elecraft had to go back and re-design a portion of the K4 because tariffs levied on certain parts from certain countries would have rendered the project unaffordable.
>> 
>> What?s more, and I don?t recall which of them said it, but Elecraft apparently had to deal with retirements of certain important people in the process.
>> 
>> Ordinarily I?d never wait 2+ years for delivery of a product I?d ordered, perhaps many of us wouldn?t, but?
>> 
>> Tariffs, Retirements, The Pandemic, Employees Down With COVID, Wild Fires (and employee loss of property), Vendor Delays?
>> 
>> None of that was under Elecraft?s control. Not much of that could have been foreseen.  ?Stuff? happens.
>> 
>> That is why, I imagine, most of us K4 investors are just patiently waiting.  Content to give them the space they need to press on with addressing the issues as they come and moving forward.
>> 
>> 73,
>> David - N5DCH
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Kimo Chun <kimochun at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Presentation from the Expo.
>>> Elecraft K4 High Performance Direct-Sampling SDR Transceiver, Eric Swartz
>>> WA6HHQ <https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/player.html?link=NTI4MjQzNTQ1>
>>> 
>>> Perhaps more recent announcements by Elecraft have superseded this.
>>> I realize others have already mentioned some of this. But I thought I'd go
>>> back (for the 3rd time) to try to itemize some of Eric's statements. Note:
>>> I don't take dictation and didn't spend a lot of time replaying it over and
>>> over to get everything verbatim. Nor replaying the whole thing.
>>> These are my interpretations and words. Please pardon any omissions or
>>> errors. Go listen for yourself. The delivery time frames are based on the
>>> Expo date: March 13, 2021.
>>> 
>>> Check minutes 17:00 to about 20:00 and around 1:22:00 on. There are other
>>> segments.
>>> -He discusses the supply problems they had due to COVID and how they have
>>> now amassed an inventory of the long lead time items in the last 3 to 4
>>> weeks. A local chassis supplier was one of the most recent hang ups. Plus
>>> parts stuck in shipments the COVID-restricted Longshoremen haven't handled
>>> yet. They are now smoothing things out and production will be ramping up.
>>> 
>>> Kit versions are at least 4 to 5 months out.
>>> -They are still learning and modifying production techniques which will
>>> make it easier to build. Then how-to documentation must be updated.
>>> -The first day orders 16th (2019?) at Dayton, may be fulfilled soon.
>>> -The second day orders 17th will be 3 to 4 weeks or longer after Group A is
>>> done.
>>> -Group B is even larger than Group A.
>>> -Orders kept coming in all summer after Dayton and have dropped to a
>>> consistent medium rate. Some spikes like when it was announced they started
>>> shipping.
>>> -When asked, "If I were to order a K4 right now, how long would I have to
>>> wait?", he answered, "Over 3 to 4 months".
>>> - I asked the very last question - When will the K4HD be finalized? He
>>> said, "Conservatively... by the end of the year". So production comes
>>> sometime thereafter. Plug in upgrades to the K4D, presumably, first for
>>> those who ordered K4HD but took the K4D first.
>>> - Testimonials from K4 owners would be found on the Elecraft-K4 GroupsIO
>>> list.
>>> 
>>> Side bar: somewhere else in the presentation he said Group A
>>> will, hopefully, be completed in the next month or so (did I get this
>>> right? I didn't find that section). Group B (even larger) comes after that.
>>> I haven't re-checked the definition of Group A and B sorry.
>>> 
>>> I hope this helps some of you with delivery anxiety.
>>> 73,
>>> Kimo KH7U
>>> (Happy with my almost new K3S s/n 11727, so the K4 is but a dream down the
>>> road. I tend to be the opposite of bleeding edge).
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>> 
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From haljr.massey at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 14:33:30 2021
From: haljr.massey at gmail.com (Hal Massey)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 12:33:30 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping
 schedule
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What do you have in mind? I liked the event video. 

The most customer oriented thing they could do is fedex a letter overnight with your radio status every day. But that gets expensive. You might feel great about it. You say that is hyperbolic? True. But even a weekly email with status is not cheap. 

Can you articulate what you do want in terms of communications? 

Regards
Hal

> On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:
> 
> "The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
> these things like they used to?"
> 
> Yes, that, right there.
> 
> However much they are or aren't going to say, why do we have to watch event
> videos to hear it?
> 
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:16 W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu at w0mu.com <mailto:w0mu at w0mu.com>> wrote:
> 
>> The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
>> these things like they used to?
>> 
>> I hear lots of excuses.  Sure there are supply line problems for
>> everyone.  HRO still has lots of product.  Elecraft has a big competitor
>> in FLEX are they having similar issues?  I hear that some big box radios
>> have some wait times but not in the years category.
>> 
>> K4 investor?  You have not invested in the company you are a customer
>> unless I missed the profit sharing version of the K4.
>> 
>> Most people have given them lots of slack. Why is communicating with
>> people that have fronted you lots of money to make this radio possible
>> so difficult.  I don't get it.
>> 
>> I don't have a K4 on order either but if I did I might be concerned.
>> 
>> W0MU
>> 
>> On 3/31/2021 10:13 AM, David Herring wrote:
>>> Further to this excellent post, Eric did say that, at that point in
>> time, his expectation was that the group A backlog would be cleared by end
>> of May.  I didn?t go back through the video to find it, but I was watching
>> one of his presentations live and did hear that.
>>> 
>>> Another thing that Wayne mentioned in one of the meeting rooms was that
>> at one point Elecraft had to go back and re-design a portion of the K4
>> because tariffs levied on certain parts from certain countries would have
>> rendered the project unaffordable.
>>> 
>>> What?s more, and I don?t recall which of them said it, but Elecraft
>> apparently had to deal with retirements of certain important people in the
>> process.
>>> 
>>> Ordinarily I?d never wait 2+ years for delivery of a product I?d
>> ordered, perhaps many of us wouldn?t, but?
>>> 
>>> Tariffs, Retirements, The Pandemic, Employees Down With COVID, Wild
>> Fires (and employee loss of property), Vendor Delays?
>>> 
>>> None of that was under Elecraft?s control. Not much of that could have
>> been foreseen.  ?Stuff? happens.
>>> 
>>> That is why, I imagine, most of us K4 investors are just patiently
>> waiting.  Content to give them the space they need to press on with
>> addressing the issues as they come and moving forward.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> David - N5DCH
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Kimo Chun <kimochun at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Presentation from the Expo.
>>>> Elecraft K4 High Performance Direct-Sampling SDR Transceiver, Eric
>> Swartz
>>>> WA6HHQ <https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/player.html?link=NTI4MjQzNTQ1>
>>>> 
>>>> Perhaps more recent announcements by Elecraft have superseded this.
>>>> I realize others have already mentioned some of this. But I thought I'd
>> go
>>>> back (for the 3rd time) to try to itemize some of Eric's statements.
>> Note:
>>>> I don't take dictation and didn't spend a lot of time replaying it over
>> and
>>>> over to get everything verbatim. Nor replaying the whole thing.
>>>> These are my interpretations and words. Please pardon any omissions or
>>>> errors. Go listen for yourself. The delivery time frames are based on
>> the
>>>> Expo date: March 13, 2021.
>>>> 
>>>> Check minutes 17:00 to about 20:00 and around 1:22:00 on. There are
>> other
>>>> segments.
>>>> -He discusses the supply problems they had due to COVID and how they
>> have
>>>> now amassed an inventory of the long lead time items in the last 3 to 4
>>>> weeks. A local chassis supplier was one of the most recent hang ups.
>> Plus
>>>> parts stuck in shipments the COVID-restricted Longshoremen haven't
>> handled
>>>> yet. They are now smoothing things out and production will be ramping
>> up.
>>>> 
>>>> Kit versions are at least 4 to 5 months out.
>>>> -They are still learning and modifying production techniques which will
>>>> make it easier to build. Then how-to documentation must be updated.
>>>> -The first day orders 16th (2019?) at Dayton, may be fulfilled soon.
>>>> -The second day orders 17th will be 3 to 4 weeks or longer after Group
>> A is
>>>> done.
>>>> -Group B is even larger than Group A.
>>>> -Orders kept coming in all summer after Dayton and have dropped to a
>>>> consistent medium rate. Some spikes like when it was announced they
>> started
>>>> shipping.
>>>> -When asked, "If I were to order a K4 right now, how long would I have
>> to
>>>> wait?", he answered, "Over 3 to 4 months".
>>>> - I asked the very last question - When will the K4HD be finalized? He
>>>> said, "Conservatively... by the end of the year". So production comes
>>>> sometime thereafter. Plug in upgrades to the K4D, presumably, first for
>>>> those who ordered K4HD but took the K4D first.
>>>> - Testimonials from K4 owners would be found on the Elecraft-K4 GroupsIO
>>>> list.
>>>> 
>>>> Side bar: somewhere else in the presentation he said Group A
>>>> will, hopefully, be completed in the next month or so (did I get this
>>>> right? I didn't find that section). Group B (even larger) comes after
>> that.
>>>> I haven't re-checked the definition of Group A and B sorry.
>>>> 
>>>> I hope this helps some of you with delivery anxiety.
>>>> 73,
>>>> Kimo KH7U
>>>> (Happy with my almost new K3S s/n 11727, so the K4 is but a dream down
>> the
>>>> road. I tend to be the opposite of bleeding edge).
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From julia at juliatuttle.net  Wed Mar 31 14:37:11 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 14:37:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping
	schedule
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I'm not waiting on a K4 myself, but the K4 launch has put a strain on other
parts of the business (like fixing KX3 firmware issues or responding to
lower-priority support emails).

I'd be happy to see updates whenever they're available, but to this list
and clearly labeled as such -- it seems like a lot of the time the details
come out in the middle of other threads that folks might miss. Somewhere on
the website would also be nice.

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:33 Hal Massey <haljr.massey at gmail.com> wrote:

> What do you have in mind? I liked the event video.
>
> The most customer oriented thing they could do is fedex a letter overnight
> with your radio status every day. But that gets expensive. You might feel
> great about it. You say that is hyperbolic? True. But even a weekly email
> with status is not cheap.
>
> Can you articulate what you do want in terms of communications?
>
> Regards
> Hal
>
> On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:
>
> "The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
> these things like they used to?"
>
> Yes, that, right there.
>
> However much they are or aren't going to say, why do we have to watch event
> videos to hear it?
>
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:16 W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu at w0mu.com> wrote:
>
> The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
> these things like they used to?
>
> I hear lots of excuses.  Sure there are supply line problems for
> everyone.  HRO still has lots of product.  Elecraft has a big competitor
> in FLEX are they having similar issues?  I hear that some big box radios
> have some wait times but not in the years category.
>
> K4 investor?  You have not invested in the company you are a customer
> unless I missed the profit sharing version of the K4.
>
> Most people have given them lots of slack. Why is communicating with
> people that have fronted you lots of money to make this radio possible
> so difficult.  I don't get it.
>
> I don't have a K4 on order either but if I did I might be concerned.
>
> W0MU
>
> On 3/31/2021 10:13 AM, David Herring wrote:
>
> Further to this excellent post, Eric did say that, at that point in
>
> time, his expectation was that the group A backlog would be cleared by end
> of May.  I didn?t go back through the video to find it, but I was watching
> one of his presentations live and did hear that.
>
>
> Another thing that Wayne mentioned in one of the meeting rooms was that
>
> at one point Elecraft had to go back and re-design a portion of the K4
> because tariffs levied on certain parts from certain countries would have
> rendered the project unaffordable.
>
>
> What?s more, and I don?t recall which of them said it, but Elecraft
>
> apparently had to deal with retirements of certain important people in the
> process.
>
>
> Ordinarily I?d never wait 2+ years for delivery of a product I?d
>
> ordered, perhaps many of us wouldn?t, but?
>
>
> Tariffs, Retirements, The Pandemic, Employees Down With COVID, Wild
>
> Fires (and employee loss of property), Vendor Delays?
>
>
> None of that was under Elecraft?s control. Not much of that could have
>
> been foreseen.  ?Stuff? happens.
>
>
> That is why, I imagine, most of us K4 investors are just patiently
>
> waiting.  Content to give them the space they need to press on with
> addressing the issues as they come and moving forward.
>
>
> 73,
> David - N5DCH
>
>
>
> On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Kimo Chun <kimochun at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Presentation from the Expo.
> Elecraft K4 High Performance Direct-Sampling SDR Transceiver, Eric
>
> Swartz
>
> WA6HHQ <https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/player.html?link=NTI4MjQzNTQ1>
>
> Perhaps more recent announcements by Elecraft have superseded this.
> I realize others have already mentioned some of this. But I thought I'd
>
> go
>
> back (for the 3rd time) to try to itemize some of Eric's statements.
>
> Note:
>
> I don't take dictation and didn't spend a lot of time replaying it over
>
> and
>
> over to get everything verbatim. Nor replaying the whole thing.
> These are my interpretations and words. Please pardon any omissions or
> errors. Go listen for yourself. The delivery time frames are based on
>
> the
>
> Expo date: March 13, 2021.
>
> Check minutes 17:00 to about 20:00 and around 1:22:00 on. There are
>
> other
>
> segments.
> -He discusses the supply problems they had due to COVID and how they
>
> have
>
> now amassed an inventory of the long lead time items in the last 3 to 4
> weeks. A local chassis supplier was one of the most recent hang ups.
>
> Plus
>
> parts stuck in shipments the COVID-restricted Longshoremen haven't
>
> handled
>
> yet. They are now smoothing things out and production will be ramping
>
> up.
>
>
> Kit versions are at least 4 to 5 months out.
> -They are still learning and modifying production techniques which will
> make it easier to build. Then how-to documentation must be updated.
> -The first day orders 16th (2019?) at Dayton, may be fulfilled soon.
> -The second day orders 17th will be 3 to 4 weeks or longer after Group
>
> A is
>
> done.
> -Group B is even larger than Group A.
> -Orders kept coming in all summer after Dayton and have dropped to a
> consistent medium rate. Some spikes like when it was announced they
>
> started
>
> shipping.
> -When asked, "If I were to order a K4 right now, how long would I have
>
> to
>
> wait?", he answered, "Over 3 to 4 months".
> - I asked the very last question - When will the K4HD be finalized? He
> said, "Conservatively... by the end of the year". So production comes
> sometime thereafter. Plug in upgrades to the K4D, presumably, first for
> those who ordered K4HD but took the K4D first.
> - Testimonials from K4 owners would be found on the Elecraft-K4 GroupsIO
> list.
>
> Side bar: somewhere else in the presentation he said Group A
> will, hopefully, be completed in the next month or so (did I get this
> right? I didn't find that section). Group B (even larger) comes after
>
> that.
>
> I haven't re-checked the definition of Group A and B sorry.
>
> I hope this helps some of you with delivery anxiety.
> 73,
> Kimo KH7U
> (Happy with my almost new K3S s/n 11727, so the K4 is but a dream down
>
> the
>
> road. I tend to be the opposite of bleeding edge).
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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Wed Mar 31 14:36:27 2021
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 14:36:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
In-Reply-To: <4ea31abc-7c01-8530-7087-2bbec9270505@effable.com>
References: <20210331123438.Horde._rGbbcF2il5e4tXvkt-dEuJ@www11.qth.com>
	<4ea31abc-7c01-8530-7087-2bbec9270505@effable.com>
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It is a good thing none of you are waiting for a new Bike.

It will be 2023 before the bike industry recovers.

Or build a house.  Here in Canada (where we have lots of wood) lumber
prices are up over 180%.  2x4" x 8ft aren't cheap.

Mike va3mw

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Wed Mar 31 15:02:12 2021
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 12:02:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
In-Reply-To: <79ce853d-db10-bc47-584e-bdf0568ed188@gmail.com>
References: <082101d7257d$11a51450$34ef3cf0$@LNAINC.com>
	<f635f682-1730-aa41-f7a6-2bef61d7328c@gmail.com>
	<40DD861D-3557-425B-AD32- B7513301719E@gmail.com>
	<0ebefcd4-b700-0290-95f6-ba4803927279@gmail.com>
	<CAJSJeL3cuHR23YoZFcVVH_wNCo-1HErEMe7dxzh4iZgtSLDGCg@mai l.gmail.com>
	<79ce853d-db10-bc47-584e-bdf0568ed188@gmail.com>
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I agree with Dave, although unlike him, I have ordered a K4, on the "no deposit" 
plan, so I'm not out any money.? Of course, no one is actually out of money, 
other than the opportunity cost, if they chose to bail out.

I sympathize with Elecraft's plight, but issues have plagued everyone and one 
would think that a company that manufactures communication equipment would 
communicate with their customer base.? Of course, they aren't expected to 
advertise every problem in their business activity, but frequent tidbits would 
keep the faithful happy.

Frankly, I got tired of waiting and wondering, and wanting at least one new 
radio before I croak, bought a TS-890.? Shortly after I did a fire in one of 
Kenwood's semiconductor suppliers plant stalled their deliveries.? But they 
announced this, found a workaround and began deliveries again, albeit at a $500 
price increase.? Will I still buy a K4?? I dunno but I'm still an Elecraft fan 
with a K3, K3S, Kpod, KPA500 and KAT500, the latter two work well with the Kenwood.

Wes? N7WS






On 3/30/2021 4:37 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
>
>
> Uhh .. I'm not the one doing the whining.? The guys who post here asking when 
> they might actually know when they will get their K4 are the ones you should 
> maybe be accusing.? I'm just making an outsider observation on their behalf.
>
> Besides, this isn't a marketing issue.? It's a simple communications issue, 
> and like I said ... if we can hear about QRP contacts and pedestrian mobile 
> contacts, the folks who actually invested interest-free money for the last 20 
> months or so probably have a right to equal consideration.
>
> Dave ? AB7E


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Mar 31 15:13:00 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 12:13:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
In-Reply-To: <20210331123438.Horde._rGbbcF2il5e4tXvkt-dEuJ@www11.qth.com>
References: <20210331123438.Horde._rGbbcF2il5e4tXvkt-dEuJ@www11.qth.com>
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On 3/31/2021 10:34 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
> Most products are still being manufactured and are available.

Not true. We're one of the lucky ones whose home survived the summer's 
wildfires, but 3 weeks without power turned our fridge into a home for 
all sorts of stinking mold. The lead time on a new one was four months, 
and actual delivery was two months past that. Want to buy an RV to live 
in where your home used to be? Lead time is 6-12 months. Lead time for 
furniture we ordered around that time was 4-6 months. Two chairs we 
ordered two weeks are quoted for November. My XYL ordered a loom two 
months ago that she doesn't expect to see before July.

I don't know where the fridge was mfd, but all the other stuff was/is 
made by small companies in the Sierra Nevada, the midwest and the 
eastern US.

73, Jim K9YC

From louandzip at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 31 15:19:18 2021
From: louandzip at yahoo.com (Louandzip)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 19:19:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
In-Reply-To: <4dc56898-7690-3483-b77f-a6f8ba4feaef@audiosystemsgroup.com>
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	<4dc56898-7690-3483-b77f-a6f8ba4feaef@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <9874023.1421852.1617218358297@mail.yahoo.com>

 
I'm just happy we got past the TP shortage.? 

Lou W7HV
    On Wednesday, March 31, 2021, 1:14:04 PM MDT, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:  
 
 On 3/31/2021 10:34 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
> Most products are still being manufactured and are available.

Not true. We're one of the lucky ones whose home survived the summer's 
wildfires, but 3 weeks without power turned our fridge into a home for 
all sorts of stinking mold. The lead time on a new one was four months, 
and actual delivery was two months past that. Want to buy an RV to live 
in where your home used to be? Lead time is 6-12 months. Lead time for 
furniture we ordered around that time was 4-6 months. Two chairs we 
ordered two weeks are quoted for November. My XYL ordered a loom two 
months ago that she doesn't expect to see before July.

I don't know where the fridge was mfd, but all the other stuff was/is 
made by small companies in the Sierra Nevada, the midwest and the 
eastern US.

73, Jim K9YC
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From haljr.massey at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 15:20:35 2021
From: haljr.massey at gmail.com (Hal Massey)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 13:20:35 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping
 schedule
In-Reply-To: <CAEVEBrN99T6H7AjA8RpYV4x9OvmZzW3ibQvn8SyhhE-cUUzchA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG4eVbXUEODJdAJtFVveQjN47L1_uVnALnhDjX9sj-8A5S3LmA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<1c799e2c-5730-8802-e993-42f3711e9de7@w0mu.com>
	<CAEVEBrMtBX9CC4Di4Nrg2Cdu55vvukF1knUituPAqzysY1HNBw@mail.gmail.com>
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Julia, that makes sense. Perhaps we could add ?periodic update instead of whenever they can?? 
PS? I like the event video updates because those clear the noise threshold of the multitude of emails I get but that is just a personal preference. A loud sky writing aircraft overhead for 7-8 hours would work even better for me but that?s probably asking too much.

Regards
-Hal

> On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:37 PM, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:
> 
> I'm not waiting on a K4 myself, but the K4 launch has put a strain on other parts of the business (like fixing KX3 firmware issues or responding to lower-priority support emails).
> 
> I'd be happy to see updates whenever they're available, but to this list and clearly labeled as such -- it seems like a lot of the time the details come out in the middle of other threads that folks might miss. Somewhere on the website would also be nice.
> 
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:33 Hal Massey <haljr.massey at gmail.com <mailto:haljr.massey at gmail.com>> wrote:
> What do you have in mind? I liked the event video. 
> 
> The most customer oriented thing they could do is fedex a letter overnight with your radio status every day. But that gets expensive. You might feel great about it. You say that is hyperbolic? True. But even a weekly email with status is not cheap. 
> 
> Can you articulate what you do want in terms of communications? 
> 
> Regards
> Hal
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net <mailto:julia at juliatuttle.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> "The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
>> these things like they used to?"
>> 
>> Yes, that, right there.
>> 
>> However much they are or aren't going to say, why do we have to watch event
>> videos to hear it?
>> 
>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:16 W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu at w0mu.com <mailto:w0mu at w0mu.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
>>> these things like they used to?
>>> 
>>> I hear lots of excuses.  Sure there are supply line problems for
>>> everyone.  HRO still has lots of product.  Elecraft has a big competitor
>>> in FLEX are they having similar issues?  I hear that some big box radios
>>> have some wait times but not in the years category.
>>> 
>>> K4 investor?  You have not invested in the company you are a customer
>>> unless I missed the profit sharing version of the K4.
>>> 
>>> Most people have given them lots of slack. Why is communicating with
>>> people that have fronted you lots of money to make this radio possible
>>> so difficult.  I don't get it.
>>> 
>>> I don't have a K4 on order either but if I did I might be concerned.
>>> 
>>> W0MU
>>> 
>>> On 3/31/2021 10:13 AM, David Herring wrote:
>>>> Further to this excellent post, Eric did say that, at that point in
>>> time, his expectation was that the group A backlog would be cleared by end
>>> of May.  I didn?t go back through the video to find it, but I was watching
>>> one of his presentations live and did hear that.
>>>> 
>>>> Another thing that Wayne mentioned in one of the meeting rooms was that
>>> at one point Elecraft had to go back and re-design a portion of the K4
>>> because tariffs levied on certain parts from certain countries would have
>>> rendered the project unaffordable.
>>>> 
>>>> What?s more, and I don?t recall which of them said it, but Elecraft
>>> apparently had to deal with retirements of certain important people in the
>>> process.
>>>> 
>>>> Ordinarily I?d never wait 2+ years for delivery of a product I?d
>>> ordered, perhaps many of us wouldn?t, but?
>>>> 
>>>> Tariffs, Retirements, The Pandemic, Employees Down With COVID, Wild
>>> Fires (and employee loss of property), Vendor Delays?
>>>> 
>>>> None of that was under Elecraft?s control. Not much of that could have
>>> been foreseen.  ?Stuff? happens.
>>>> 
>>>> That is why, I imagine, most of us K4 investors are just patiently
>>> waiting.  Content to give them the space they need to press on with
>>> addressing the issues as they come and moving forward.
>>>> 
>>>> 73,
>>>> David - N5DCH
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Kimo Chun <kimochun at gmail.com <mailto:kimochun at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Presentation from the Expo.
>>>>> Elecraft K4 High Performance Direct-Sampling SDR Transceiver, Eric
>>> Swartz
>>>>> WA6HHQ <https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/player.html?link=NTI4MjQzNTQ1 <https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/player.html?link=NTI4MjQzNTQ1>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Perhaps more recent announcements by Elecraft have superseded this.
>>>>> I realize others have already mentioned some of this. But I thought I'd
>>> go
>>>>> back (for the 3rd time) to try to itemize some of Eric's statements.
>>> Note:
>>>>> I don't take dictation and didn't spend a lot of time replaying it over
>>> and
>>>>> over to get everything verbatim. Nor replaying the whole thing.
>>>>> These are my interpretations and words. Please pardon any omissions or
>>>>> errors. Go listen for yourself. The delivery time frames are based on
>>> the
>>>>> Expo date: March 13, 2021.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Check minutes 17:00 to about 20:00 and around 1:22:00 on. There are
>>> other
>>>>> segments.
>>>>> -He discusses the supply problems they had due to COVID and how they
>>> have
>>>>> now amassed an inventory of the long lead time items in the last 3 to 4
>>>>> weeks. A local chassis supplier was one of the most recent hang ups.
>>> Plus
>>>>> parts stuck in shipments the COVID-restricted Longshoremen haven't
>>> handled
>>>>> yet. They are now smoothing things out and production will be ramping
>>> up.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kit versions are at least 4 to 5 months out.
>>>>> -They are still learning and modifying production techniques which will
>>>>> make it easier to build. Then how-to documentation must be updated.
>>>>> -The first day orders 16th (2019?) at Dayton, may be fulfilled soon.
>>>>> -The second day orders 17th will be 3 to 4 weeks or longer after Group
>>> A is
>>>>> done.
>>>>> -Group B is even larger than Group A.
>>>>> -Orders kept coming in all summer after Dayton and have dropped to a
>>>>> consistent medium rate. Some spikes like when it was announced they
>>> started
>>>>> shipping.
>>>>> -When asked, "If I were to order a K4 right now, how long would I have
>>> to
>>>>> wait?", he answered, "Over 3 to 4 months".
>>>>> - I asked the very last question - When will the K4HD be finalized? He
>>>>> said, "Conservatively... by the end of the year". So production comes
>>>>> sometime thereafter. Plug in upgrades to the K4D, presumably, first for
>>>>> those who ordered K4HD but took the K4D first.
>>>>> - Testimonials from K4 owners would be found on the Elecraft-K4 GroupsIO
>>>>> list.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Side bar: somewhere else in the presentation he said Group A
>>>>> will, hopefully, be completed in the next month or so (did I get this
>>>>> right? I didn't find that section). Group B (even larger) comes after
>>> that.
>>>>> I haven't re-checked the definition of Group A and B sorry.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hope this helps some of you with delivery anxiety.
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Kimo KH7U
>>>>> (Happy with my almost new K3S s/n 11727, so the K4 is but a dream down
>>> the
>>>>> road. I tend to be the opposite of bleeding edge).
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From ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca  Wed Mar 31 15:25:10 2021
From: ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca (Mike Smith VE9AA)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 16:25:10 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 whining
Message-ID: <005c01d72663$91d915e0$b58b41a0$@nbnet.nb.ca>

I did not put down a deposit on a K4.  When I heard about the first case of
Covid, that stopped me in my tracks.  Yes, I know many weren't so lucky and
put $$ down at "Dayton".

 

I watch the videos from Elecraft or read the great synopsis from fellas like
Kimo, KH7U(and others) and read the mail on the various email lists here and
there to get an idea when the K4 might be available.

I am actually holding out for a K4HD (or 2!) to do SO2R contesting.

 

I don't think you'd want even BI-WEEKLY updates from a company struggling to
meet demands.

What company would do that anyways? If you are not aware of what they've
been up against, you must have been living under a rock the past 16 months.

 

Nearly everyone understands what it takes to make a K4 and why they just
can't supply one at this moment.  I am sure they'd love to ship 5000 units
this week, IF THEY COULD.

 

Covid-19, wildfires, staff sickness, staff retirements, price increases,
product redesign and probably more that we have no idea about or have any
business knowing.

 

So, why don't you fellas please cut them a little slack and if you're really
just mad and can't get over it, just apply to get your $$ back and go buy a
YaeKenCom radio or 40 year old Heathkit.

 

The whining is getting loud.

 

No amount of it will help.

 

Mike VE9AA

 


From julia at juliatuttle.net  Wed Mar 31 15:29:08 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 15:29:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping
	schedule
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Yeah, periodic would be fine -- I think the big thing is setting
expectations for when and where, so folks can check there instead of
wondering or asking.

And I'm totally fine with the event video updates as long as the content is
also available in a text form somewhere obvious. (Heck, I'd volunteer to
transcribe them if it that'd be helpful.)

Honestly, I think sharing a little more of what's gone wrong and right
might be helpful -- I know I'm more sympathetic about this sort of thing
when I have an idea what's going on -- but I don't have a clear idea of the
downsides.

The aircraft option seems problematically local -- perhaps we could launch
a small satellite instead. :D

73,

Julie

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 15:20 Hal Massey <haljr.massey at gmail.com> wrote:

> Julia, that makes sense. Perhaps we could add ?periodic update instead of
> whenever they can??
> PS? I like the event video updates because those clear the noise threshold
> of the multitude of emails I get but that is just a personal preference. A
> loud sky writing aircraft overhead for 7-8 hours would work even better for
> me but that?s probably asking too much.
>
> Regards
> -Hal
>
> On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:37 PM, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:
>
> I'm not waiting on a K4 myself, but the K4 launch has put a strain on
> other parts of the business (like fixing KX3 firmware issues or responding
> to lower-priority support emails).
>
> I'd be happy to see updates whenever they're available, but to this list
> and clearly labeled as such -- it seems like a lot of the time the details
> come out in the middle of other threads that folks might miss. Somewhere on
> the website would also be nice.
>
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:33 Hal Massey <haljr.massey at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What do you have in mind? I liked the event video.
>>
>> The most customer oriented thing they could do is fedex a letter
>> overnight with your radio status every day. But that gets expensive. You
>> might feel great about it. You say that is hyperbolic? True. But even a
>> weekly email with status is not cheap.
>>
>> Can you articulate what you do want in terms of communications?
>>
>> Regards
>> Hal
>>
>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:
>>
>> "The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
>> these things like they used to?"
>>
>> Yes, that, right there.
>>
>> However much they are or aren't going to say, why do we have to watch
>> event
>> videos to hear it?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:16 W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu at w0mu.com> wrote:
>>
>> The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
>> these things like they used to?
>>
>> I hear lots of excuses.  Sure there are supply line problems for
>> everyone.  HRO still has lots of product.  Elecraft has a big competitor
>> in FLEX are they having similar issues?  I hear that some big box radios
>> have some wait times but not in the years category.
>>
>> K4 investor?  You have not invested in the company you are a customer
>> unless I missed the profit sharing version of the K4.
>>
>> Most people have given them lots of slack. Why is communicating with
>> people that have fronted you lots of money to make this radio possible
>> so difficult.  I don't get it.
>>
>> I don't have a K4 on order either but if I did I might be concerned.
>>
>> W0MU
>>
>> On 3/31/2021 10:13 AM, David Herring wrote:
>>
>> Further to this excellent post, Eric did say that, at that point in
>>
>> time, his expectation was that the group A backlog would be cleared by end
>> of May.  I didn?t go back through the video to find it, but I was watching
>> one of his presentations live and did hear that.
>>
>>
>> Another thing that Wayne mentioned in one of the meeting rooms was that
>>
>> at one point Elecraft had to go back and re-design a portion of the K4
>> because tariffs levied on certain parts from certain countries would have
>> rendered the project unaffordable.
>>
>>
>> What?s more, and I don?t recall which of them said it, but Elecraft
>>
>> apparently had to deal with retirements of certain important people in the
>> process.
>>
>>
>> Ordinarily I?d never wait 2+ years for delivery of a product I?d
>>
>> ordered, perhaps many of us wouldn?t, but?
>>
>>
>> Tariffs, Retirements, The Pandemic, Employees Down With COVID, Wild
>>
>> Fires (and employee loss of property), Vendor Delays?
>>
>>
>> None of that was under Elecraft?s control. Not much of that could have
>>
>> been foreseen.  ?Stuff? happens.
>>
>>
>> That is why, I imagine, most of us K4 investors are just patiently
>>
>> waiting.  Content to give them the space they need to press on with
>> addressing the issues as they come and moving forward.
>>
>>
>> 73,
>> David - N5DCH
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Kimo Chun <kimochun at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Presentation from the Expo.
>> Elecraft K4 High Performance Direct-Sampling SDR Transceiver, Eric
>>
>> Swartz
>>
>> WA6HHQ <https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/player.html?link=NTI4MjQzNTQ1>
>>
>> Perhaps more recent announcements by Elecraft have superseded this.
>> I realize others have already mentioned some of this. But I thought I'd
>>
>> go
>>
>> back (for the 3rd time) to try to itemize some of Eric's statements.
>>
>> Note:
>>
>> I don't take dictation and didn't spend a lot of time replaying it over
>>
>> and
>>
>> over to get everything verbatim. Nor replaying the whole thing.
>> These are my interpretations and words. Please pardon any omissions or
>> errors. Go listen for yourself. The delivery time frames are based on
>>
>> the
>>
>> Expo date: March 13, 2021.
>>
>> Check minutes 17:00 to about 20:00 and around 1:22:00 on. There are
>>
>> other
>>
>> segments.
>> -He discusses the supply problems they had due to COVID and how they
>>
>> have
>>
>> now amassed an inventory of the long lead time items in the last 3 to 4
>> weeks. A local chassis supplier was one of the most recent hang ups.
>>
>> Plus
>>
>> parts stuck in shipments the COVID-restricted Longshoremen haven't
>>
>> handled
>>
>> yet. They are now smoothing things out and production will be ramping
>>
>> up.
>>
>>
>> Kit versions are at least 4 to 5 months out.
>> -They are still learning and modifying production techniques which will
>> make it easier to build. Then how-to documentation must be updated.
>> -The first day orders 16th (2019?) at Dayton, may be fulfilled soon.
>> -The second day orders 17th will be 3 to 4 weeks or longer after Group
>>
>> A is
>>
>> done.
>> -Group B is even larger than Group A.
>> -Orders kept coming in all summer after Dayton and have dropped to a
>> consistent medium rate. Some spikes like when it was announced they
>>
>> started
>>
>> shipping.
>> -When asked, "If I were to order a K4 right now, how long would I have
>>
>> to
>>
>> wait?", he answered, "Over 3 to 4 months".
>> - I asked the very last question - When will the K4HD be finalized? He
>> said, "Conservatively... by the end of the year". So production comes
>> sometime thereafter. Plug in upgrades to the K4D, presumably, first for
>> those who ordered K4HD but took the K4D first.
>> - Testimonials from K4 owners would be found on the Elecraft-K4 GroupsIO
>> list.
>>
>> Side bar: somewhere else in the presentation he said Group A
>> will, hopefully, be completed in the next month or so (did I get this
>> right? I didn't find that section). Group B (even larger) comes after
>>
>> that.
>>
>> I haven't re-checked the definition of Group A and B sorry.
>>
>> I hope this helps some of you with delivery anxiety.
>> 73,
>> Kimo KH7U
>> (Happy with my almost new K3S s/n 11727, so the K4 is but a dream down
>>
>> the
>>
>> road. I tend to be the opposite of bleeding edge).
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From n1al at sonic.net  Wed Mar 31 15:30:00 2021
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 13:30:00 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
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References: <20210331123438.Horde._rGbbcF2il5e4tXvkt-dEuJ@www11.qth.com>
	<0DC010C5-D682-461A-ACFE-8466190ED7A4@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <c8bb502c-46d2-ba8d-e911-da0616e0c3cc@sonic.net>

Best Buy has been totally out of laser printers for months.

Alan N1AL


On 3/31/2021 12:16 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
> Just not true. The Ford F-150 production is limited by parts availability. In November, our order for a new fridge was canceled and the model is still not available. If huge industries like autos and appliances can?t get parts sourced, little guys like Elecraft have to wait or redesign.
>
> https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/chips-seating-foam-plastics-parts-shortages-continue-cripple-auto-industry-n1261773
>


From ny9h at arrl.net  Wed Mar 31 15:46:05 2021
From: ny9h at arrl.net (Bill Steffey NY9H)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 15:46:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 whining
In-Reply-To: <005c01d72663$91d915e0$b58b41a0$@nbnet.nb.ca>
References: <005c01d72663$91d915e0$b58b41a0$@nbnet.nb.ca>
Message-ID: <abd5ce67-cf44-3062-39f7-3833c873e078@arrl.net>


I thank Mike for this subject line, and would request that all whining 
follow on with this subject line.

This will allow me to appropriately send all said subject line to it own 
email folder.

I can speak to this as I did plop down all the bucks at Dayton.


bill? ny9h


On 3/31/2021 3:25 PM, Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:
> I did not put down a deposit on a K4.  When I heard about the first case of
> Covid, that stopped me in my tracks.  Yes, I know many weren't so lucky and
> put $$ down at "Dayton".
>
>   
>
> I watch the videos from Elecraft or read the great synopsis from fellas like
> Kimo, KH7U(and others) and read the mail on the various email lists here and
> there to get an idea when the K4 might be available.
>
> I am actually holding out for a K4HD (or 2!) to do SO2R contesting.
>
>   
>
> I don't think you'd want even BI-WEEKLY updates from a company struggling to
> meet demands.
>
> What company would do that anyways? If you are not aware of what they've
> been up against, you must have been living under a rock the past 16 months.
>
>   
>
> Nearly everyone understands what it takes to make a K4 and why they just
> can't supply one at this moment.  I am sure they'd love to ship 5000 units
> this week, IF THEY COULD.
>
>   
>
> Covid-19, wildfires, staff sickness, staff retirements, price increases,
> product redesign and probably more that we have no idea about or have any
> business knowing.
>
>   
>
> So, why don't you fellas please cut them a little slack and if you're really
> just mad and can't get over it, just apply to get your $$ back and go buy a
> YaeKenCom radio or 40 year old Heathkit.
>
>   
>
> The whining is getting loud.
>
>   
>
> No amount of it will help.
>
>   
>
> Mike VE9AA
>
>   
>
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From mdowns at msn.com  Wed Mar 31 15:53:02 2021
From: mdowns at msn.com (Michael Downs)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 19:53:02 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 whining
In-Reply-To: <005c01d72663$91d915e0$b58b41a0$@nbnet.nb.ca>
References: <005c01d72663$91d915e0$b58b41a0$@nbnet.nb.ca>
Message-ID: <BN6PR11MB1555805591F30023D7A8E03FC97C9@BN6PR11MB1555.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Maybe we can all take a deep breath, relax and remember amateur radio is a hobby. Try to have some fun while we await our K4s. Peace y?all. 

Mike, ks7d 
Sent from my iPhone
www.ks7d.com

> On Mar 31, 2021, at 3:26 PM, Mike Smith VE9AA <ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
> 
> ?I did not put down a deposit on a K4.  When I heard about the first case of
> Covid, that stopped me in my tracks.  Yes, I know many weren't so lucky and
> put $$ down at "Dayton".
> 
> 
> 
> I watch the videos from Elecraft or read the great synopsis from fellas like
> Kimo, KH7U(and others) and read the mail on the various email lists here and
> there to get an idea when the K4 might be available.
> 
> I am actually holding out for a K4HD (or 2!) to do SO2R contesting.
> 
> 
> 
> I don't think you'd want even BI-WEEKLY updates from a company struggling to
> meet demands.
> 
> What company would do that anyways? If you are not aware of what they've
> been up against, you must have been living under a rock the past 16 months.
> 
> 
> 
> Nearly everyone understands what it takes to make a K4 and why they just
> can't supply one at this moment.  I am sure they'd love to ship 5000 units
> this week, IF THEY COULD.
> 
> 
> 
> Covid-19, wildfires, staff sickness, staff retirements, price increases,
> product redesign and probably more that we have no idea about or have any
> business knowing.
> 
> 
> 
> So, why don't you fellas please cut them a little slack and if you're really
> just mad and can't get over it, just apply to get your $$ back and go buy a
> YaeKenCom radio or 40 year old Heathkit.
> 
> 
> 
> The whining is getting loud.
> 
> 
> 
> No amount of it will help.
> 
> 
> 
> Mike VE9AA
> 
> 
> 
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From w8lvn.9 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 15:56:30 2021
From: w8lvn.9 at gmail.com (Bill Lederer)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 14:56:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
In-Reply-To: <0DC010C5-D682-461A-ACFE-8466190ED7A4@wunderwood.org>
References: <20210331123438.Horde._rGbbcF2il5e4tXvkt-dEuJ@www11.qth.com>
	<0DC010C5-D682-461A-ACFE-8466190ED7A4@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <CADF0M0Py4wCc3yE9XjZ8yo3UO6GqD3Nph_otKS7p-En9POv==w@mail.gmail.com>

We ordered a refrigerator last March, and it wasn't delivered till October,
so there are a lot of delays across all manufacturing.

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 1:18 PM Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org>
wrote:

> Just not true. The Ford F-150 production is limited by parts availability.
> In November, our order for a new fridge was canceled and the model is still
> not available. If huge industries like autos and appliances can?t get parts
> sourced, little guys like Elecraft have to wait or redesign.
>
>
> https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/chips-seating-foam-plastics-parts-shortages-continue-cripple-auto-industry-n1261773
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>
> > On Mar 31, 2021, at 10:34 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
> >
> > The corona virus may have delayed kid's education and the K4 for a year
> but certainly not everything.  Most products are still being manufactured
> and are available.
> >
> > John KK9A
> >
> >
> >
> > Ray wa6vab wrote:
> >
> > Maybe Eric should just say??..
> > Life with the corona virus has delayed everything by One Year,
> > So it is with the Delivery of the K4 !
> > I am sure You would not Accept or be Happy Either !
> > Ray WA6VAB K3
> >
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From n4fn.g0nbj at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 16:24:01 2021
From: n4fn.g0nbj at gmail.com (Neil Foster)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 16:24:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] N6TV to the rescue
Message-ID: <CAMmSjRimVvrxjGD772RQ4b-D28Mk03aD1J8TUOOdsnKacft4hA@mail.gmail.com>

I have been using Bob's "S" box for some time and could not be happier.
Recently I decided to replace a non Elecraft radio with mty K3s/P3 station
with a non Elecraft (brand "X") ?
I ran into some issues and wrote to Bob. He responded quickly, snt a new
Block Diagram and then followed with a phone call until we had everything
running perfectly. It took some time and Bob was patient with this 86+ year
old geezer. Even after I have been in the hobby for 61 years you can learn
from folks definitely smarter than we are. I have a fun saying, I call the
smart guys a Wizard, Well Bob would have to be titled an EXALTED WIZARD.
If you are not familiar with his units and have multiple radios his box
works like a charm, check them out. Thanks Bob, you done good!!

Neil   N4FN

From bbaines at mac.com  Wed Mar 31 16:35:46 2021
From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 15:35:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Product Availability Was: Re: QSO Today Expo - Estimated
 K4 related shipping schedule
In-Reply-To: <1c799e2c-5730-8802-e993-42f3711e9de7@w0mu.com>
References: <CAG4eVbXUEODJdAJtFVveQjN47L1_uVnALnhDjX9sj-8A5S3LmA@mail.gmail.com>
	<0B0ED593-4865-46BE-BB56-C1AA69EE051C@gmail.com>
	<1c799e2c-5730-8802-e993-42f3711e9de7@w0mu.com>
Message-ID: <DA42A5F4-A343-4849-AAB8-F8ECC508EB2B@mac.com>

Mike:

> On Mar 31, 2021, at 1:15 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu at w0mu.com> wrote:
> 
> The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us these things like they used to?
> 
> I hear lots of excuses.  Sure there are supply line problems for everyone.  HRO still has lots of product.  Elecraft has a big competitor in FLEX are they having similar issues?  I hear that some big box radios have some wait times but not in the years category.

Flex has similar issues.  The Tuner Genius has been under development since 2017.  They announced at the QSO Today Expo that those at the head of the line (e.g. those that ordered the Power Genius XL  in early 2017 when the tuner was packaged with the amplifier0  should get theirs in 2nd Quarter 2021, 4+ years after product announcement.  My Power Genius was delivered in May 2018 and I still can?t use it with a EFHW antenna without the tuner.  Maestro is currently on back order.  Their website shows their transceivers on back order with no expected availability times listed.    Flex has gone through its own ?transition? during Covid where final assembly was brought ?in house? on their transceivers as their outside vendor shut down.  The Power Genius and Antenna Genius are built by 4O3A in Montenegro for Flex where they have their own issues and ability to ship product to the US is constrained.  

HRO may have lots of product but necessarily the product that I want.  I ordered from HRO last November the West Mountain Radio ?PWRspeaker? that is not expected until at least May.  It is produced in China.  So between parts, assembly, and transport across the Pacific there are plenty of reasons for delayed deliveries.  The Suez Canal debacle is but one part of the ?supply chain? impacts that also includes container shortages, port congestion, intermodal doublestack railcar availability, intermodal terminal congestion in the interior, and drayage impacts.  

Another example: I ordered three 4K 15? portable displays through Kickstarter in July 2020 with expected delivery in October 2020 from China (Two will be used with two GeoChron2 Digitial 4K devices that I had purchased through HRO in January 2020) .  Kickstarter charged my credit card in September and e-maiiled on 22 OCT 20 "Production is in full swing and we expect to begin shipping by the end of October.?  On 6 NOV 20 I received an e-mail from Kickstarter with subject line ?Production Delays? ("It seems like many large electronics companies locked up all the raw materials before the funds were released from Kickstarter?) deliveries would not take place until February 2021.  No update received since then.  I have no idea at this point where they stand with expected deliveries.  Next week I will start making inquiries again.

What we all took for granted regarding ?immediate gratification? on what we ordered being immediately available ?before Covid? is no longer the case.  It will be a ?long time? before we see a return to ?normal? as economic activity dramatically picks up as Covid-19 restrictions are eased (thanks to vaccinations) and pent up demand for everything exceeds available supply.  Prices will consequently rise.  Add in the proposed $2-3 Trillion in government spending on ?infrastructure? (further competing for scarce products/materials that the private sector also needs)  and the proposed $2-$3 trillion increase in taxes (that will impact families and small business ability to ?bounce back? from the downturn) at the same time, and the nation will have so many ?moving parts? that impact economic activity resulting in further uncertainty.  My concern is that the unintended consequences will have far reaching impacts on the economy from rising prices (inflation)  to uncertain availability putting even more strains on businesses such as Elecraft and Flex, not to mention the rest of us.


FWIW,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW/5
Keller, TX



From wn3r.us at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 16:49:19 2021
From: wn3r.us at gmail.com (Richard Hayman)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 16:49:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Newbie needs help.
Message-ID: <1C02F84C-4D04-49BA-862E-94CA61F67926@gmail.com>

Just picked up K3s and P3 combo. The K3s had just been returned from Elecraft service and seems to be working perfectly. I am replacing my old K3.

Anyway, in my rush to set everything up, I can?t figure out why I have no frequency display on the P3. Using USB connection to communicate to the both the P3 and K3s using the firmware utilities. All appears normal. So I assume RS-232 between the K3s and P3 is fully functional.

Gotta be something simple. Right?

73, Dick, WN3R 

From hsherriff at reagan.com  Wed Mar 31 17:06:27 2021
From: hsherriff at reagan.com (Harlan Sherriff)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 17:06:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Newbie needs help.
In-Reply-To: <1C02F84C-4D04-49BA-862E-94CA61F67926@gmail.com>
References: <1C02F84C-4D04-49BA-862E-94CA61F67926@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E229EA4-42E1-488C-9227-08B790E13B52@reagan.com>

Try a BNC jumper from IF out on the radio to IF in on the P3

Harlan
K4HES

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 31, 2021, at 4:52 PM, Richard Hayman <wn3r.us at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Just picked up K3s and P3 combo. The K3s had just been returned from Elecraft service and seems to be working perfectly. I am replacing my old K3.
> 
> Anyway, in my rush to set everything up, I can?t figure out why I have no frequency display on the P3. Using USB connection to communicate to the both the P3 and K3s using the firmware utilities. All appears normal. So I assume RS-232 between the K3s and P3 is fully functional.
> 
> Gotta be something simple. Right?
> 
> 73, Dick, WN3R 
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From david.n5dch at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 17:23:04 2021
From: david.n5dch at gmail.com (David Herring)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 15:23:04 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping
 schedule
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References: <CAG4eVbXUEODJdAJtFVveQjN47L1_uVnALnhDjX9sj-8A5S3LmA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<1c799e2c-5730-8802-e993-42f3711e9de7@w0mu.com>
	<CAEVEBrMtBX9CC4Di4Nrg2Cdu55vvukF1knUituPAqzysY1HNBw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7E43CFC3-BA79-4E07-95AC-779F887AB274@gmail.com>
	<CAEVEBrN99T6H7AjA8RpYV4x9OvmZzW3ibQvn8SyhhE-cUUzchA@mail.gmail.com>
	<60600E26-7626-4B8B-9A40-8A9407EF72CB@gmail.com>
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Investor.  ;-) 

I?ll grant you we?re not investors in the traditional sense. But we?ve invested in the company nonetheless. Would you prefer venture capitalist instead? We provided funds that Elecraft was able to use to stay afloat and continue engineering and manufacturing efforts. Sure, we?re not going to make back millions on our ?investment? and we have no stake in the company, but we will get one heck of a radio. That?s really all I cared about, to be honest. 

Someone in the thread mentioned they are hearing lots of excuses. I have not. If all I was getting was excuses I would have cut ties and got a refund a long time ago. What I?ve heard are valid reasons. Actual real verifiable things that have happened that are out of anyone?s control.  Perhaps it?s just a matter of personal perspective.

I think that most agree a periodic official update with a little more regularity would be nice, but perhaps not at the cost of getting rigs out the door.

73,
David - N5DCH



> On Mar 31, 2021, at 1:29 PM, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, periodic would be fine -- I think the big thing is setting
> expectations for when and where, so folks can check there instead of
> wondering or asking.
> 
> And I'm totally fine with the event video updates as long as the content is
> also available in a text form somewhere obvious. (Heck, I'd volunteer to
> transcribe them if it that'd be helpful.)
> 
> Honestly, I think sharing a little more of what's gone wrong and right
> might be helpful -- I know I'm more sympathetic about this sort of thing
> when I have an idea what's going on -- but I don't have a clear idea of the
> downsides.
> 
> The aircraft option seems problematically local -- perhaps we could launch
> a small satellite instead. :D
> 
> 73,
> 
> Julie
> 
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 15:20 Hal Massey <haljr.massey at gmail.com <mailto:haljr.massey at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Julia, that makes sense. Perhaps we could add ?periodic update instead of
>> whenever they can??
>> PS? I like the event video updates because those clear the noise threshold
>> of the multitude of emails I get but that is just a personal preference. A
>> loud sky writing aircraft overhead for 7-8 hours would work even better for
>> me but that?s probably asking too much.
>> 
>> Regards
>> -Hal
>> 
>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:37 PM, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm not waiting on a K4 myself, but the K4 launch has put a strain on
>> other parts of the business (like fixing KX3 firmware issues or responding
>> to lower-priority support emails).
>> 
>> I'd be happy to see updates whenever they're available, but to this list
>> and clearly labeled as such -- it seems like a lot of the time the details
>> come out in the middle of other threads that folks might miss. Somewhere on
>> the website would also be nice.
>> 
>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:33 Hal Massey <haljr.massey at gmail.com <mailto:haljr.massey at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> What do you have in mind? I liked the event video.
>>> 
>>> The most customer oriented thing they could do is fedex a letter
>>> overnight with your radio status every day. But that gets expensive. You
>>> might feel great about it. You say that is hyperbolic? True. But even a
>>> weekly email with status is not cheap.
>>> 
>>> Can you articulate what you do want in terms of communications?
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Hal
>>> 
>>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net <mailto:julia at juliatuttle.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> "The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
>>> these things like they used to?"
>>> 
>>> Yes, that, right there.
>>> 
>>> However much they are or aren't going to say, why do we have to watch
>>> event
>>> videos to hear it?
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:16 W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu at w0mu.com <mailto:w0mu at w0mu.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
>>> these things like they used to?
>>> 
>>> I hear lots of excuses.  Sure there are supply line problems for
>>> everyone.  HRO still has lots of product.  Elecraft has a big competitor
>>> in FLEX are they having similar issues?  I hear that some big box radios
>>> have some wait times but not in the years category.
>>> 
>>> K4 investor?  You have not invested in the company you are a customer
>>> unless I missed the profit sharing version of the K4.
>>> 
>>> Most people have given them lots of slack. Why is communicating with
>>> people that have fronted you lots of money to make this radio possible
>>> so difficult.  I don't get it.
>>> 
>>> I don't have a K4 on order either but if I did I might be concerned.
>>> 
>>> W0MU
>>> 
>>> On 3/31/2021 10:13 AM, David Herring wrote:
>>> 
>>> Further to this excellent post, Eric did say that, at that point in
>>> 
>>> time, his expectation was that the group A backlog would be cleared by end
>>> of May.  I didn?t go back through the video to find it, but I was watching
>>> one of his presentations live and did hear that.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Another thing that Wayne mentioned in one of the meeting rooms was that
>>> 
>>> at one point Elecraft had to go back and re-design a portion of the K4
>>> because tariffs levied on certain parts from certain countries would have
>>> rendered the project unaffordable.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> What?s more, and I don?t recall which of them said it, but Elecraft
>>> 
>>> apparently had to deal with retirements of certain important people in the
>>> process.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ordinarily I?d never wait 2+ years for delivery of a product I?d
>>> 
>>> ordered, perhaps many of us wouldn?t, but?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tariffs, Retirements, The Pandemic, Employees Down With COVID, Wild
>>> 
>>> Fires (and employee loss of property), Vendor Delays?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> None of that was under Elecraft?s control. Not much of that could have
>>> 
>>> been foreseen.  ?Stuff? happens.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> That is why, I imagine, most of us K4 investors are just patiently
>>> 
>>> waiting.  Content to give them the space they need to press on with
>>> addressing the issues as they come and moving forward.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> David - N5DCH
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Kimo Chun <kimochun at gmail.com <mailto:kimochun at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Presentation from the Expo.
>>> Elecraft K4 High Performance Direct-Sampling SDR Transceiver, Eric
>>> 
>>> Swartz
>>> 
>>> WA6HHQ <https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/player.html?link=NTI4MjQzNTQ1 <https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/player.html?link=NTI4MjQzNTQ1>>
>>> 
>>> Perhaps more recent announcements by Elecraft have superseded this.
>>> I realize others have already mentioned some of this. But I thought I'd
>>> 
>>> go
>>> 
>>> back (for the 3rd time) to try to itemize some of Eric's statements.
>>> 
>>> Note:
>>> 
>>> I don't take dictation and didn't spend a lot of time replaying it over
>>> 
>>> and
>>> 
>>> over to get everything verbatim. Nor replaying the whole thing.
>>> These are my interpretations and words. Please pardon any omissions or
>>> errors. Go listen for yourself. The delivery time frames are based on
>>> 
>>> the
>>> 
>>> Expo date: March 13, 2021.
>>> 
>>> Check minutes 17:00 to about 20:00 and around 1:22:00 on. There are
>>> 
>>> other
>>> 
>>> segments.
>>> -He discusses the supply problems they had due to COVID and how they
>>> 
>>> have
>>> 
>>> now amassed an inventory of the long lead time items in the last 3 to 4
>>> weeks. A local chassis supplier was one of the most recent hang ups.
>>> 
>>> Plus
>>> 
>>> parts stuck in shipments the COVID-restricted Longshoremen haven't
>>> 
>>> handled
>>> 
>>> yet. They are now smoothing things out and production will be ramping
>>> 
>>> up.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kit versions are at least 4 to 5 months out.
>>> -They are still learning and modifying production techniques which will
>>> make it easier to build. Then how-to documentation must be updated.
>>> -The first day orders 16th (2019?) at Dayton, may be fulfilled soon.
>>> -The second day orders 17th will be 3 to 4 weeks or longer after Group
>>> 
>>> A is
>>> 
>>> done.
>>> -Group B is even larger than Group A.
>>> -Orders kept coming in all summer after Dayton and have dropped to a
>>> consistent medium rate. Some spikes like when it was announced they
>>> 
>>> started
>>> 
>>> shipping.
>>> -When asked, "If I were to order a K4 right now, how long would I have
>>> 
>>> to
>>> 
>>> wait?", he answered, "Over 3 to 4 months".
>>> - I asked the very last question - When will the K4HD be finalized? He
>>> said, "Conservatively... by the end of the year". So production comes
>>> sometime thereafter. Plug in upgrades to the K4D, presumably, first for
>>> those who ordered K4HD but took the K4D first.
>>> - Testimonials from K4 owners would be found on the Elecraft-K4 GroupsIO
>>> list.
>>> 
>>> Side bar: somewhere else in the presentation he said Group A
>>> will, hopefully, be completed in the next month or so (did I get this
>>> right? I didn't find that section). Group B (even larger) comes after
>>> 
>>> that.
>>> 
>>> I haven't re-checked the definition of Group A and B sorry.
>>> 
>>> I hope this helps some of you with delivery anxiety.
>>> 73,
>>> Kimo KH7U
>>> (Happy with my almost new K3S s/n 11727, so the K4 is but a dream down
>>> 
>>> the
>>> 
>>> road. I tend to be the opposite of bleeding edge).
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From n1al at sonic.net  Wed Mar 31 17:26:53 2021
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 15:26:53 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Newbie needs help.
In-Reply-To: <1C02F84C-4D04-49BA-862E-94CA61F67926@gmail.com>
References: <1C02F84C-4D04-49BA-862E-94CA61F67926@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5a5ce01f-b8f8-f0c6-6a1c-914b077fa85b@sonic.net>

If the frequency display at the top center of the P3 screen is reading 
zero, then that implies there is something wrong with the RS-232 
connection between the K3 and the P3.? Recheck the connections on page 5 
of the P3 manual:

https://ftp.elecraft.com/P3/Manuals%20Downloads/E740152%20P3%20Owner's%20man%20Rev%20H1.pdf

The two-headed cable should plug into the two RS-232 connectors on the 
P3 in the order shown.? Make sure all the connectors are well-seated.

Alan N1AL


On 3/31/2021 2:49 PM, Richard Hayman wrote:
> Just picked up K3s and P3 combo. The K3s had just been returned from Elecraft service and seems to be working perfectly. I am replacing my old K3.
>
> Anyway, in my rush to set everything up, I can?t figure out why I have no frequency display on the P3. Using USB connection to communicate to the both the P3 and K3s using the firmware utilities. All appears normal. So I assume RS-232 between the K3s and P3 is fully functional.
>
> Gotta be something simple. Right?
>
> 73, Dick, WN3R
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From Mike at ve3yf.com  Wed Mar 31 17:34:11 2021
From: Mike at ve3yf.com (VE3YF)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 21:34:11 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 whining
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References: <005c01d72663$91d915e0$b58b41a0$@nbnet.nb.ca>
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No whining from this guy. I put down full deposit back in 2019 and 
hoping I get my K4D comes by end of May. Some indications have been sent 
out that Elecraft are going for end of May for Group 1, If it doesn't no 
great loss. We have have been thru quite a bit over the last couple 
years and those in California have had it even worse with the fires etc. 
I can wait as my my K3S/P3 is performing excellent.

-- 

*73 De Mike*
*VE3YF

_/http://www.ve3yf.com/_*


From doug at k0dxv.com  Wed Mar 31 18:51:21 2021
From: doug at k0dxv.com (Doug Person)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 16:51:21 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] whining
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Let's also remember that Elecraft is an incredibly small company 
compared to K, Y and I. And they're putting out a leading edge world 
class product that is as good or better than anything else on the 
market. It's quite a feat in today's business world. I've been waiting 
several years now. I get by with what I have (K2/100) and I continue to 
have something to look forward to. I'm just glad Big "E" has survived 
through everything. It's been a really tough year for many smaller 
businesses. It is an amazing success story that Elecraft has survived 
and prospered for over 21 years despite the gigantic size difference 
compared to its competition. (I guess I just sold my K3/P3 prematurely.)

73, Doug -- K0DXV

On 3/31/2021 3:23 PM, David Herring wrote:
> Investor.  ;-)
>
> I?ll grant you we?re not investors in the traditional sense. But we?ve invested in the company nonetheless. Would you prefer venture capitalist instead? We provided funds that Elecraft was able to use to stay afloat and continue engineering and manufacturing efforts. Sure, we?re not going to make back millions on our ?investment? and we have no stake in the company, but we will get one heck of a radio. That?s really all I cared about, to be honest.
>
> Someone in the thread mentioned they are hearing lots of excuses. I have not. If all I was getting was excuses I would have cut ties and got a refund a long time ago. What I?ve heard are valid reasons. Actual real verifiable things that have happened that are out of anyone?s control.  Perhaps it?s just a matter of personal perspective.
>
> I think that most agree a periodic official update with a little more regularity would be nice, but perhaps not at the cost of getting rigs out the door.
>
> 73,
> David - N5DCH
>
>
>
>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 1:29 PM, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, periodic would be fine -- I think the big thing is setting
>> expectations for when and where, so folks can check there instead of
>> wondering or asking.
>>
>> And I'm totally fine with the event video updates as long as the content is
>> also available in a text form somewhere obvious. (Heck, I'd volunteer to
>> transcribe them if it that'd be helpful.)
>>
>> Honestly, I think sharing a little more of what's gone wrong and right
>> might be helpful -- I know I'm more sympathetic about this sort of thing
>> when I have an idea what's going on -- but I don't have a clear idea of the
>> downsides.
>>
>> The aircraft option seems problematically local -- perhaps we could launch
>> a small satellite instead. :D
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Julie
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 15:20 Hal Massey <haljr.massey at gmail.com <mailto:haljr.massey at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> Julia, that makes sense. Perhaps we could add ?periodic update instead of
>>> whenever they can??
>>> PS? I like the event video updates because those clear the noise threshold
>>> of the multitude of emails I get but that is just a personal preference. A
>>> loud sky writing aircraft overhead for 7-8 hours would work even better for
>>> me but that?s probably asking too much.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> -Hal
>>>
>>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:37 PM, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not waiting on a K4 myself, but the K4 launch has put a strain on
>>> other parts of the business (like fixing KX3 firmware issues or responding
>>> to lower-priority support emails).
>>>
>>> I'd be happy to see updates whenever they're available, but to this list
>>> and clearly labeled as such -- it seems like a lot of the time the details
>>> come out in the middle of other threads that folks might miss. Somewhere on
>>> the website would also be nice.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:33 Hal Massey <haljr.massey at gmail.com <mailto:haljr.massey at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What do you have in mind? I liked the event video.
>>>>
>>>> The most customer oriented thing they could do is fedex a letter
>>>> overnight with your radio status every day. But that gets expensive. You
>>>> might feel great about it. You say that is hyperbolic? True. But even a
>>>> weekly email with status is not cheap.
>>>>
>>>> Can you articulate what you do want in terms of communications?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Hal
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net <mailto:julia at juliatuttle.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
>>>> these things like they used to?"
>>>>
>>>> Yes, that, right there.
>>>>
>>>> However much they are or aren't going to say, why do we have to watch
>>>> event
>>>> videos to hear it?
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 14:16 W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu at w0mu.com <mailto:w0mu at w0mu.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us
>>>> these things like they used to?
>>>>
>>>> I hear lots of excuses.  Sure there are supply line problems for
>>>> everyone.  HRO still has lots of product.  Elecraft has a big competitor
>>>> in FLEX are they having similar issues?  I hear that some big box radios
>>>> have some wait times but not in the years category.
>>>>
>>>> K4 investor?  You have not invested in the company you are a customer
>>>> unless I missed the profit sharing version of the K4.
>>>>
>>>> Most people have given them lots of slack. Why is communicating with
>>>> people that have fronted you lots of money to make this radio possible
>>>> so difficult.  I don't get it.
>>>>
>>>> I don't have a K4 on order either but if I did I might be concerned.
>>>>
>>>> W0MU
>>>>
>>>> On 3/31/2021 10:13 AM, David Herring wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Further to this excellent post, Eric did say that, at that point in
>>>>
>>>> time, his expectation was that the group A backlog would be cleared by end
>>>> of May.  I didn?t go back through the video to find it, but I was watching
>>>> one of his presentations live and did hear that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Another thing that Wayne mentioned in one of the meeting rooms was that
>>>>
>>>> at one point Elecraft had to go back and re-design a portion of the K4
>>>> because tariffs levied on certain parts from certain countries would have
>>>> rendered the project unaffordable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What?s more, and I don?t recall which of them said it, but Elecraft
>>>>
>>>> apparently had to deal with retirements of certain important people in the
>>>> process.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ordinarily I?d never wait 2+ years for delivery of a product I?d
>>>>
>>>> ordered, perhaps many of us wouldn?t, but?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tariffs, Retirements, The Pandemic, Employees Down With COVID, Wild
>>>>
>>>> Fires (and employee loss of property), Vendor Delays?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> None of that was under Elecraft?s control. Not much of that could have
>>>>
>>>> been foreseen.  ?Stuff? happens.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is why, I imagine, most of us K4 investors are just patiently
>>>>
>>>> waiting.  Content to give them the space they need to press on with
>>>> addressing the issues as they come and moving forward.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> David - N5DCH
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Kimo Chun <kimochun at gmail.com <mailto:kimochun at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Presentation from the Expo.
>>>> Elecraft K4 High Performance Direct-Sampling SDR Transceiver, Eric
>>>>
>>>> Swartz
>>>>
>>>> WA6HHQ <https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/player.html?link=NTI4MjQzNTQ1 <https://www.qsotodayhamexpo.com/player.html?link=NTI4MjQzNTQ1>>
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps more recent announcements by Elecraft have superseded this.
>>>> I realize others have already mentioned some of this. But I thought I'd
>>>>
>>>> go
>>>>
>>>> back (for the 3rd time) to try to itemize some of Eric's statements.
>>>>
>>>> Note:
>>>>
>>>> I don't take dictation and didn't spend a lot of time replaying it over
>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> over to get everything verbatim. Nor replaying the whole thing.
>>>> These are my interpretations and words. Please pardon any omissions or
>>>> errors. Go listen for yourself. The delivery time frames are based on
>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>> Expo date: March 13, 2021.
>>>>
>>>> Check minutes 17:00 to about 20:00 and around 1:22:00 on. There are
>>>>
>>>> other
>>>>
>>>> segments.
>>>> -He discusses the supply problems they had due to COVID and how they
>>>>
>>>> have
>>>>
>>>> now amassed an inventory of the long lead time items in the last 3 to 4
>>>> weeks. A local chassis supplier was one of the most recent hang ups.
>>>>
>>>> Plus
>>>>
>>>> parts stuck in shipments the COVID-restricted Longshoremen haven't
>>>>
>>>> handled
>>>>
>>>> yet. They are now smoothing things out and production will be ramping
>>>>
>>>> up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kit versions are at least 4 to 5 months out.
>>>> -They are still learning and modifying production techniques which will
>>>> make it easier to build. Then how-to documentation must be updated.
>>>> -The first day orders 16th (2019?) at Dayton, may be fulfilled soon.
>>>> -The second day orders 17th will be 3 to 4 weeks or longer after Group
>>>>
>>>> A is
>>>>
>>>> done.
>>>> -Group B is even larger than Group A.
>>>> -Orders kept coming in all summer after Dayton and have dropped to a
>>>> consistent medium rate. Some spikes like when it was announced they
>>>>
>>>> started
>>>>
>>>> shipping.
>>>> -When asked, "If I were to order a K4 right now, how long would I have
>>>>
>>>> to
>>>>
>>>> wait?", he answered, "Over 3 to 4 months".
>>>> - I asked the very last question - When will the K4HD be finalized? He
>>>> said, "Conservatively... by the end of the year". So production comes
>>>> sometime thereafter. Plug in upgrades to the K4D, presumably, first for
>>>> those who ordered K4HD but took the K4D first.
>>>> - Testimonials from K4 owners would be found on the Elecraft-K4 GroupsIO
>>>> list.
>>>>
>>>> Side bar: somewhere else in the presentation he said Group A
>>>> will, hopefully, be completed in the next month or so (did I get this
>>>> right? I didn't find that section). Group B (even larger) comes after
>>>>
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't re-checked the definition of Group A and B sorry.
>>>>
>>>> I hope this helps some of you with delivery anxiety.
>>>> 73,
>>>> Kimo KH7U
>>>> (Happy with my almost new K3S s/n 11727, so the K4 is but a dream down
>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>> road. I tend to be the opposite of bleeding edge).
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Wed Mar 31 19:31:52 2021
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 16:31:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] N6TV to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <CAMmSjRimVvrxjGD772RQ4b-D28Mk03aD1J8TUOOdsnKacft4hA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMmSjRimVvrxjGD772RQ4b-D28Mk03aD1J8TUOOdsnKacft4hA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ad87e2ff-6967-33f7-fa24-f666fa3650b1@triconet.org>

I don't know Bob, have never talked to him and don't use any of his products.? 
That said, his presentation at the 2020 QSO Today Expo is top rate, informative 
and saved my bacon while setting up my TS-890 for RTTY.

The '890, unlike my K3(S) doesn't have an AFSK RTTY option.? It does have a 
legacy RS-232 port, two "virtual" serial ports via USB and an Ethernet port. 
(phew). Bob's presentation showed exactly how to configure the ports and MMTTY 
for RTTY and it works flawlessly.

If you haven't seen this and you have any questions about ports and interfacing, 
I highly recommend that you have a look.? 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MJfCKH7AdQ

Wes? N7WS



On 3/31/2021 1:24 PM, Neil Foster wrote:
> I have been using Bob's "S" box for some time and could not be happier.
> Recently I decided to replace a non Elecraft radio with mty K3s/P3 station
> with a non Elecraft (brand "X") ?
> I ran into some issues and wrote to Bob. He responded quickly, snt a new
> Block Diagram and then followed with a phone call until we had everything
> running perfectly. It took some time and Bob was patient with this 86+ year
> old geezer. Even after I have been in the hobby for 61 years you can learn
> from folks definitely smarter than we are. I have a fun saying, I call the
> smart guys a Wizard, Well Bob would have to be titled an EXALTED WIZARD.
> If you are not familiar with his units and have multiple radios his box
> works like a charm, check them out. Thanks Bob, you done good!!
>
> Neil   N4FN
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From ewrjunkmail at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 20:57:31 2021
From: ewrjunkmail at gmail.com (Biglug)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 17:57:31 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB KX3 with add-ons
In-Reply-To: <007201d724bb$ff3533c0$fd9f9b40$@com>
References: <CAOr6FVWKcpHvXn-uLAhLOytGKU4_nxRusAK3b_8OHn5zD7ruPQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks Tim...

I ended up purchasing a KX3, so I am out of the market for a while.  Thanks
again.



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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Mar 31 21:33:27 2021
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 18:33:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4: Coolness factor meets production complexities
Message-ID: <636B5EDD-CECB-458A-A006-F49749609CF7@elecraft.com>

Greetings from the mothership. 

Q: Are Eric and I keeping up with the K4 megathreads on the forums?
A: You bet.

But we're not weighing in as often as we normally would.

On the one hand, it's affirming as a small company to be at the eye of a storm of anxious demand. On the other hand we really feel your pain. On the third hand (we need three these days), we're both seriously overworked trying to ramp up production.

A radio with this many features and so much new tech -- the coolness factor -- comes with a lot of new assembly and test procedures. A whole lot of invention. New tricks we didn't know we had to learn. Over the past week alone our manufacturing engineering team probably shaved 50% off the total time per unit. 

For me, it's feast/famine. I have serial #00002 on my workbench and use it every day. Every day there's new and improved software to be played with and thoroughly vetted. That's the fun part. But I also spend hours daily optimizing interaction between the K4's multiple processors, evolving faster ways to do alignment/test, and helping our software team work through a long wish-list of new capabilities. 

The work can be tedious. Still, every evening when the team finally knocks off (and I do mean every evening, including most weekends), I get another chance to be a kid in the candy store. This rig's just so much fun to operate. And I'm confident that for every new K4 that comes off the line ready for its first test drive, there's an operator who'll experience the same feeling I do.

Despite the K4's advanced circuitry, I'm always reminded of my very first efforts at home-brew, when I was maybe 15. Discovery. Tweaking. From raw parts with their leads twisted together to prototypes only a mother could love to finished product to that first demo at a club meeting. It's much the same now, though the parts are smaller, the tools more exotic, and the stakes higher.

What I can promise is that we're putting everything we have into the K4, like we have with every product over the past 20 years. We can't wait to get them into your hands, and hear the smiles behind the mics and keys.

73,

Wayne
N6KR




From radiomemory at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 21:41:45 2021
From: radiomemory at gmail.com (Gary Memory)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 21:41:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4: Coolness factor meets production complexities
In-Reply-To: <636B5EDD-CECB-458A-A006-F49749609CF7@elecraft.com>
References: <636B5EDD-CECB-458A-A006-F49749609CF7@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CAPoA2FVoDaG1QQ8i=cV7HxXRgDRb+Ui7g1piQ9+TSwW_Spbrpg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm only a single 'Memory", but I'm behind you and patiently waiting!!

Gary Memory, N7BRJ


On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 9:35 PM Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> Greetings from the mothership.
>
> Q: Are Eric and I keeping up with the K4 megathreads on the forums?
> A: You bet.
>
> But we're not weighing in as often as we normally would.
>
> On the one hand, it's affirming as a small company to be at the eye of a
> storm of anxious demand. On the other hand we really feel your pain. On the
> third hand (we need three these days), we're both seriously overworked
> trying to ramp up production.
>
> A radio with this many features and so much new tech -- the coolness
> factor -- comes with a lot of new assembly and test procedures. A whole lot
> of invention. New tricks we didn't know we had to learn. Over the past week
> alone our manufacturing engineering team probably shaved 50% off the total
> time per unit.
>
> For me, it's feast/famine. I have serial #00002 on my workbench and use it
> every day. Every day there's new and improved software to be played with
> and thoroughly vetted. That's the fun part. But I also spend hours daily
> optimizing interaction between the K4's multiple processors, evolving
> faster ways to do alignment/test, and helping our software team work
> through a long wish-list of new capabilities.
>
> The work can be tedious. Still, every evening when the team finally knocks
> off (and I do mean every evening, including most weekends), I get another
> chance to be a kid in the candy store. This rig's just so much fun to
> operate. And I'm confident that for every new K4 that comes off the line
> ready for its first test drive, there's an operator who'll experience the
> same feeling I do.
>
> Despite the K4's advanced circuitry, I'm always reminded of my very first
> efforts at home-brew, when I was maybe 15. Discovery. Tweaking. From raw
> parts with their leads twisted together to prototypes only a mother could
> love to finished product to that first demo at a club meeting. It's much
> the same now, though the parts are smaller, the tools more exotic, and the
> stakes higher.
>
> What I can promise is that we're putting everything we have into the K4,
> like we have with every product over the past 20 years. We can't wait to
> get them into your hands, and hear the smiles behind the mics and keys.
>
> 73,
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
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From KHUFFORD at ATLANTICBB.NET  Wed Mar 31 21:46:12 2021
From: KHUFFORD at ATLANTICBB.NET (KENT HUFFORD)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 21:46:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 MOUNTING SCREWS
Message-ID: <045901d72698$cc2a2ec0$647e8c40$@ATLANTICBB.NET>

 

I have a KXPA100 amp. I am trying to mount it. The manual says - "The
bushings are threaded for 8-32 screws. Do not

use screws that extend inside the amplifier more than 1/8" (3.2 mm)."

 

I bought some 8-32 thumb screws from AMAZON and they are too small. 

 

Did AMAZON do me wrong, or are the holes another size?

 

Thanks,

Kent

KQ4KK


From va3on.lists at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 21:59:34 2021
From: va3on.lists at gmail.com (Rod Hardman)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 21:59:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 MOUNTING SCREWS
In-Reply-To: <045901d72698$cc2a2ec0$647e8c40$@ATLANTICBB.NET>
References: <045901d72698$cc2a2ec0$647e8c40$@ATLANTICBB.NET>
Message-ID: <5EA80938-D4BD-46FD-ABF1-A9DEE0EF11DB@gmail.com>

Kent - PLEASE talk to Scott AK6Q
kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net

He makes a very affordable, excellent mount for the KXPA100

/rod VA3ON

> On Mar 31, 2021, at 21:46, KENT HUFFORD <KHUFFORD at ATLANTICBB.NET> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I have a KXPA100 amp. I am trying to mount it. The manual says - "The
> bushings are threaded for 8-32 screws. Do not
> 
> use screws that extend inside the amplifier more than 1/8" (3.2 mm)."
> 
> 
> 
> I bought some 8-32 thumb screws from AMAZON and they are too small. 
> 
> 
> 
> Did AMAZON do me wrong, or are the holes another size?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Kent
> 
> KQ4KK
> 
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From kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net  Wed Mar 31 22:20:55 2021
From: kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net (Scott)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 20:20:55 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 MOUNTING SCREWS
In-Reply-To: <5EA80938-D4BD-46FD-ABF1-A9DEE0EF11DB@gmail.com>
References: <045901d72698$cc2a2ec0$647e8c40$@ATLANTICBB.NET>
	<5EA80938-D4BD-46FD-ABF1-A9DEE0EF11DB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.131.1617243671.3569.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Rod thanks for the referral!  I do have the mounts and screws for the AMP  go to my web site   www.gemsproducts.com 


Scott Bastian
AK6Q
Parker Colorado!

From: Rod Hardman
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 7:59 PM
To: KENT HUFFORD; kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 MOUNTING SCREWS

Kent - PLEASE talk to Scott AK6Q
kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net

He makes a very affordable, excellent mount for the KXPA100

/rod VA3ON

> On Mar 31, 2021, at 21:46, KENT HUFFORD <KHUFFORD at ATLANTICBB.NET> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I have a KXPA100 amp. I am trying to mount it. The manual says - "The
> bushings are threaded for 8-32 screws. Do not
> 
> use screws that extend inside the amplifier more than 1/8" (3.2 mm)."
> 
> 
> 
> I bought some 8-32 thumb screws from AMAZON and they are too small. 
> 
> 
> 
> Did AMAZON do me wrong, or are the holes another size?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Kent
> 
> KQ4KK
> 
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From haljr.massey at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 22:21:07 2021
From: haljr.massey at gmail.com (Hal Massey)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 20:21:07 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 MOUNTING SCREWS
In-Reply-To: <5EA80938-D4BD-46FD-ABF1-A9DEE0EF11DB@gmail.com>
References: <045901d72698$cc2a2ec0$647e8c40$@ATLANTICBB.NET>
	<5EA80938-D4BD-46FD-ABF1-A9DEE0EF11DB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DEBAEB7A-71BC-4C7F-8E71-F04ABEBEAE4C@gmail.com>

Make a run to the hardware store. They have a screw template that they can instantly use to confirm or deny the existence of 8-32 screws. It looks like a 5 x 7 ? thin aluminum plate with a bunch of holes in it. It is free to use. They are also inexpensive to buy if you want to own one. 

If you have any kind of accurate measuring equipment you can google the diameter of an 8-32 screw and check that way also?.

Regards
-Hal


> On Mar 31, 2021, at 7:59 PM, Rod Hardman <va3on.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Kent - PLEASE talk to Scott AK6Q
> kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net <mailto:kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net>
> 
> He makes a very affordable, excellent mount for the KXPA100
> 
> /rod VA3ON
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 21:46, KENT HUFFORD <KHUFFORD at ATLANTICBB.NET <mailto:KHUFFORD at ATLANTICBB.NET>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have a KXPA100 amp. I am trying to mount it. The manual says - "The
>> bushings are threaded for 8-32 screws. Do not
>> 
>> use screws that extend inside the amplifier more than 1/8" (3.2 mm)."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I bought some 8-32 thumb screws from AMAZON and they are too small. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Did AMAZON do me wrong, or are the holes another size?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Kent
>> 
>> KQ4KK
>> 
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