[Elecraft] Wildly off-topic posts was: Re: HOA Crap

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On 6/29/2021 9:09 AM, Kurt Pawlikowski wrote:
> All:
>
>     <sarcastic font ON>
>
>     Now now boys! Be nice! {'-)
>
>     Just to be clear, Amateur Radio IS a BIG TENT. Ever hear the term 
> "appliance operator"? Yup! Some of us like the electronics and 
> technical radio side of things and some the operation side... Maybe 
> some use their license just for RC! Oh no! THEY don't even pick up a 
> microphone or key!
>
>     <\sarcastic font OFF>
>
>     Okay! Seriously - have fun! {'-)
>
>     kurtt WB9FMC
>
> On 6/28/2021 23:45, Rick Bates, NK7I wrote:
>> No!
>>
>> Rent a station is NOT ham radio.  Argue all you want; but ham radio 
>> is about RADIO, even if it's just owning and using an HT because 
>> that's all you can manage.
>>
>> You may as well log cell or Skype phone calls or EchoLink contacts 
>> (or IRLP, DMR, DStar etc) as use remote stations that are not yours; 
>> they have equal merit; none, zilch, nada, nil. Only a few even have a 
>> radio involved; the rest is internet links; not ham radio.
>>
>> EVERY entry in my log is from MY gear, a station assembled by ME 
>> (sometime with help building etc), a result of MY best efforts at 
>> THAT point in time.  It's a matter of pride and is a moral imperative 
>> to my standards.  Yes, it means I don't make EVERY contact or work 
>> every DX when I want; I have to wait for propagation, then hope I've 
>> done enough.  Yes, I've put money into equipment to own, use and 
>> maintain; not someone else's pocket to rent.  But I EARNED every log 
>> entry.
>>
>> I pity you some; you've lost your compass.  Yes, you can get DXCC in 
>> an afternoon, moving sites to best apply propagation <<yawn>>.  It's 
>> NOT your station, it's not worthy of your log; it has no value, 
>> because you purchased your log and awards instead of investing your 
>> time and efforts. It's your ego being stroked by your wallet.
>>
>> Ditto using remote receivers to augment your own; your station can or 
>> cannot; it's THAT simple.
>>
>> You have ZERO emergency preparedness without a radio; one of the 
>> tenets of ham radio.  You can't be prepared if you don't own a radio; 
>> if the systems are down, you have nothing.  An HT can at least 
>> saturate the neighborhood to check on others around you.
>>
>> If you are so HOA bound that nothing outside can grow as an antenna 
>> (has NEVER been totally exclusive; stealthy has a market); build a 
>> club station where you can; drive there to operate it and log from 
>> that.  If it is an emergency and there IS still access, then use the 
>> remote if you have nothing else. At least own and learn to use a 
>> portable radio (KX3, dual band HT, SOMETHING).
>>
>> Yes, I operate a station remotely; MINE.  And if done well, no one 
>> knows where you really are at the time of the contact.
>>
>> But you won't ever sell me that not owning a radio at all and to rent 
>> and operate remotely is even CLOSE to being a ham.  For pity's sake, 
>> hand the man an HT!
>>
>> Harsh, perhaps.  But it's also one reason to escape the blasted HOA 
>> world too to make your own decisions. HOA is an infestation, a virus 
>> that allows others to make choices for you, even if you don't like 
>> their decisions.
>>
>> /rant off; hot button; this arena gets old fast/
>>
>> 73,
>> Rick NK7I
>> More curmudgeonly every year it seems, ain't nuttin wrong with old 
>> school, it's just not as popular
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/28/2021 8:41 PM, William Levy wrote:
>>> Gents,
>>>
>>> Let me remind all of you in an HOA that you don't need to put up 
>>> antennas.
>>> You can join remote ham radio dot com and use giant antennas all 
>>> from your
>>> website. Much better stuff than most of us ever dreamed up HOA or not.
>>>
>>> I live in NYC. I don't even have a Walkie. But I am full on remote HF
>>> 24/7/365.
>>>
>>> It's a great world. Think of it as a resource. It's a NETWORK 
>>> resource. And
>>> you don't have to manage it.
>>>
>>> Bill N2WL
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