[Elecraft] Yaesu FT DX10

Tue Jan 5 12:25:12 EST 2021

I (HF CW/SSB) own a FTDX101MP and disagree with the FTDX101D assessment ,
John. 
Using here my YAESU now all the time for 6month. I can state it is mostly
even (DSP!, very small TX PWR overshoot) better than my K3S-P3.
Elecraft pros: QSK is much better in K3S. K3S has good diversity , you can
record QSOs, RX 1 and RX2 are accessible 
independently , Main Ant (RX) out does exists. These features are inferior
in YAESU or simply missing. 

Tnx, Cu, vy 73 de Andy
HB9CVQ, DK2VQ, AK4IG

https://www.qrz.com/db/HB9CVQ

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Macy monkeys
Sent: Dienstag, 5. Januar 2021 17:51
To: Morgan Bailey <mbaileycrna at gmail.com>
Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Elecraft-K4 at groups.io
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Yaesu FT DX10

You forgot the biggest negative; it's a Yaesu :)

I own the FTdx101D and despite its Sherwood rating it's a pretty mediocre
and uninspiring operating experience for me. YMMV.

John K7FD

> On Jan 5, 2021, at 8:34 AM, Morgan Bailey <mbaileycrna at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> By now probably most everyone has read Rob Sherwood's review of the 
> new kid on the block, the Yaesu FTDX10. It has pushed the IC7300 out 
> the door for the best bang for the buck place. What I was most 
> interested in was the phase noise of the radio. It is minimally down 
> to at least -148db. That is where the 7300 falls flat on its face. 
> Additionally, so does Yaesu 450D and 991A. Those 2 radios are one 
> radio shack radios. I know this because I own both of them.
> 
> $1700, what a great price point to recommend a new ham that wants a 
> contest grade radio that he can build upon. Seemingly, based on the 
> Sherwood stats, the FTDX10 would work well in a 2 radio environment. 
> That would beg the question, would they be ideal for an SO2R setup. 
> $3400 for 2 radios and add a $100 to $300 dollar controller and you 
> are GTG. WOW! Granted the radios do have many shortcomings  when it 
> comes to a full contest grade radio but for the most part they, could 
> be an excellent choice. The problem with field day is that tons of 
> people have Ic7300s and they are a disaster at FD. The FTDX10 should solve
all those problems being low on phase noise.
> Maybe our FD ops will be much easier and if the rigs were FTDX10s. We 
> shall see.
> 
> Where the FTDX10 falls flat is in a few areas that can be worked around.
> The areas that they are deficient are, one antenna port, no rx antenna 
> port, nonstandard plugs for ALC and PTT lines for an amp and other 
> associated station accessories, such as amps, sequencers, etc, and 
> ofcourse, no diversity receive capability. My all time hate is the 
> RJ45 connector for microphone input.  And, I don't believe it can do dual
watch.
> It is either VFO A or B not both. This is what I can gather from the 
> literature in the trade brochure.
> 
> All except, dual rx and diversity can be worked around. At this price 
> point this is an excellent box. It is about the same size as a current 
> K3S but a bit shorter in height. There is an optional CW filter/narrow 
> banpass filter of 300 hz but I have no idea the steepness of the cut off
for that filter.
> Plus there is an adjustable rise time feature that allows the user to 
> produce an undesirable cw signal. This is one of the big negatives 
> that Yaesu incorporates into their radios.
> 
> Same size as a K3S, built in Pan, Video out, 3 usb ports, SD card for 
> DVR recording providing record on fly and 5 memory bands, 5 built in 
> CW memory slots, optional outboard keypad to key DVR and CW memory 
> banks, with all of these features, this now is the best bang for the 
> buck and the rx surpasses the K3S spex plus the DNR and filtering is 
> astounding in Yaesu radios. Heh, even the cheapest 450D DNR function 
> can eliminate 40 meter alternator noise in my F150 when I run mobile. 
> It is even better in this radio, most likely, because it is 
> generations better and an SDR. It weighs 13 pounds, did I say 
> DXpedition or travels well. That is yet to be seen. Some of the main 
> mechanics of the main tuning and bezel knobs might cause some worry. 
> Time will tell. The radio is made on a cast aluminum frame much the 
> same as the 991A. My 991A has been abused, mobile, salt water ops, 
> special events, FD, camping, portable from picnic table...still works 
> great. I have used it on
> FT8 for days at a time running 80 watts. No problems. Now that I am 
> retired and home, the 991A has been relegated to 2/440 operation only. 
> I just might sell it and raise money for my new FD radio, the FTDX10.
> 
> The real issue with this radio is, the K3S used prices might just have 
> dropped another $500. The K3S is nearing the EOL time and the 
> replacement with better RX stats and a pan adaptor included with no 
> extra cabling or boxes fitting into the same size as a K3/K3S for Less 
> than 1/3 of for the most part what a a full K3S/P3 with video out 
> would cost. Yes you would be missing a few features but for the most 
> part, Yaesu has hit it out of the park with the FTDX10.
> 
> Have I turned the dial on one, put a set of cans on my head, operated 
> CW on one, in a word No. I might end up driving to Ohio to take a 
> listen to one at DXengineering, if they are open (post Covid 19) and 
> see what all the hubbub is about. Dollars and cents wise, almost 3 
> FTDX10s can be had for the price of one K4 base model. As with all 
> Yaesu and Icom products, the first offering is to recoup R&D, and what 
> the market will bare. My guess is that it will stabilize just as the 
> 991A did, which was initially MSRP $1999, I am thinking down to what 
> it is now, $1199. So that would within a year, put this radio dropping 
> to compete with the 7300 at about $1200 for the Yaesu. Even right now, 
> I would choose the FTDX10 over the Yaesu, hands down. It is just a far
better radio.
> 
> I'm wondering when Elecraft is going to come out with a mid market 
> radio like perhaps a...KX4?
> 
> Best DX and happy Contesting,
> 
> Morgan NJ8M
> 
> BS + MS + $2.98 = COFFEE
> Real Life Experience = Priceless, says the man who set his back yard 
> on fire with a breadboard tuner loading a 160 meter inverted L with 
> 1000 watts. LOL 
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