From va3mw at portcredit.net  Thu Apr  1 06:51:51 2021
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 06:51:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Product Availability Was: Re: QSO Today Expo -
	Estimated K4 related shipping schedule
In-Reply-To: <DA42A5F4-A343-4849-AAB8-F8ECC508EB2B@mac.com>
References: <DA42A5F4-A343-4849-AAB8-F8ECC508EB2B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <D4C290B6-CC65-4628-B840-840A4A49FE05@portcredit.net>

Barry

Flex is actually shipping radios today.  The world wide sales have  been so strong that they have not been able to keep up to the demand but those timelines are getting much shorter every week.  The website has the current delivery delays for each product. 

Much of the electronics industry has been impacted by two significant fires in Japan related to two electronics houses. The challenges come from the fact that, while there are optional parts you can use it requires retooling to use those parts as they?re not the same physical sizes or functionality. 

However, companies like Flex stock pile parts when possible. Pre-Covid delivery times for parts were measured in 2 to 4 weeks. Now they?re measured in months and sometimes up to a year. You can?t ship a radio, or anything unless it is 100% complete. Sometimes it?s only a small part that holds up an entire finished product.   Imagine ordering your new TV only to find out that the F connecter on the back of the television wasn?t available or there was no remote to turn it on and off.  

Regardless of who your vendor of choice is, hams need to support them and purchase product. Keep that in mind to help keep the amateur economy strong.  If you do not support them, it?s hard to pay employees and it?s hard for their employees to put their kids through school. It all comes around. 

73




> On Mar 31, 2021, at 4:36 PM, Barry Baines via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Mike:
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 1:15 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu at w0mu.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us these things like they used to?
>> 
>> I hear lots of excuses.  Sure there are supply line problems for everyone.  HRO still has lots of product.  Elecraft has a big competitor in FLEX are they having similar issues?  I hear that some big box radios have some wait times but not in the years category.
> 
> Flex has similar issues.  The Tuner Genius has been under development since 2017.  They announced at the QSO Today Expo that those at the head of the line (e.g. those that ordered the Power Genius XL  in early 2017 when the tuner was packaged with the amplifier0  should get theirs in 2nd Quarter 2021, 4+ years after product announcement.  My Power Genius was delivered in May 2018 and I still can?t use it with a EFHW antenna without the tuner.  Maestro is currently on back order.  Their website shows their transceivers on back order with no expected availability times listed.    Flex has gone through its own ?transition? during Covid where final assembly was brought ?in house? on their transceivers as their outside vendor shut down.  The Power Genius and Antenna Genius are built by 4O3A in Montenegro for Flex where they have their own issues and ability to ship product to the US is constrained.  
> 
> HRO may have lots of product but necessarily the product that I want.  I ordered from HRO last November the West Mountain Radio ?PWRspeaker? that is not expected until at least May.  It is produced in China.  So between parts, assembly, and transport across the Pacific there are plenty of reasons for delayed deliveries.  The Suez Canal debacle is but one part of the ?supply chain? impacts that also includes container shortages, port congestion, intermodal doublestack railcar availability, intermodal terminal congestion in the interior, and drayage impacts.  
> 
> Another example: I ordered three 4K 15? portable displays through Kickstarter in July 2020 with expected delivery in October 2020 from China (Two will be used with two GeoChron2 Digitial 4K devices that I had purchased through HRO in January 2020) .  Kickstarter charged my credit card in September and e-maiiled on 22 OCT 20 "Production is in full swing and we expect to begin shipping by the end of October.?  On 6 NOV 20 I received an e-mail from Kickstarter with subject line ?Production Delays? ("It seems like many large electronics companies locked up all the raw materials before the funds were released from Kickstarter?) deliveries would not take place until February 2021.  No update received since then.  I have no idea at this point where they stand with expected deliveries.  Next week I will start making inquiries again.
> 
> What we all took for granted regarding ?immediate gratification? on what we ordered being immediately available ?before Covid? is no longer the case.  It will be a ?long time? before we see a return to ?normal? as economic activity dramatically picks up as Covid-19 restrictions are eased (thanks to vaccinations) and pent up demand for everything exceeds available supply.  Prices will consequently rise.  Add in the proposed $2-3 Trillion in government spending on ?infrastructure? (further competing for scarce products/materials that the private sector also needs)  and the proposed $2-$3 trillion increase in taxes (that will impact families and small business ability to ?bounce back? from the downturn) at the same time, and the nation will have so many ?moving parts? that impact economic activity resulting in further uncertainty.  My concern is that the unintended consequences will have far reaching impacts on the economy from rising prices (inflation)  to uncertain availability putting even more strains on businesses such as Elecraft and Flex, not to mention the rest of us.
> 
> 
> FWIW,
> 
> Barry Baines, WD4ASW/5
> Keller, TX
> 
> 
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From john at kk9a.com  Thu Apr  1 07:10:06 2021
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2021 06:10:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] N6TV to the rescue
Message-ID: <20210401061006.Horde.6jmwUCPiHtYyY3JfU3LULsL@www11.qth.com>

N6TV is a very knowledge guy and he is very generous with his time. He  
offers excellent technical advice on this list as well as others.

I have two Y-Boxes and they are awesome.

John KK9A


Neil Foster n4fn wrote:

I have been using Bob's "S" box for some time and could not be happier.
Recently I decided to replace a non Elecraft radio with mty K3s/P3 station
with a non Elecraft (brand "X") ?
I ran into some issues and wrote to Bob. He responded quickly, snt a new
Block Diagram and then followed with a phone call until we had everything
running perfectly. It took some time and Bob was patient with this 86+ year
old geezer. Even after I have been in the hobby for 61 years you can learn
from folks definitely smarter than we are. I have a fun saying, I call the
smart guys a Wizard, Well Bob would have to be titled an EXALTED WIZARD.
If you are not familiar with his units and have multiple radios his box
works like a charm, check them out. Thanks Bob, you done good!!

Neil   N4FN


From sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 10:15:10 2021
From: sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com (stephen shearer)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 10:15:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 MOUNTING SCREWS
In-Reply-To: <045901d72698$cc2a2ec0$647e8c40$@ATLANTICBB.NET>
References: <045901d72698$cc2a2ec0$647e8c40$@ATLANTICBB.NET>
Message-ID: <9291a197-1218-7a3d-fa68-7830bc768fbc@gmail.com>

See: https://gemsproducts.com/product/kxpa100-mount/? and the bracket 
comes with screws.

BTW, 10-32 is what is needed (the manual is wrong)

73, steve WB3LGC

On 3/31/21 9:46 PM, KENT HUFFORD wrote:
>   
>
> I have a KXPA100 amp. I am trying to mount it. The manual says - "The
> bushings are threaded for 8-32 screws. Do not
>
> use screws that extend inside the amplifier more than 1/8" (3.2 mm)."
>
>   
>
> I bought some 8-32 thumb screws from AMAZON and they are too small.
>
>   
>
> Did AMAZON do me wrong, or are the holes another size?
>
>   
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kent
>
> KQ4KK
>
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From starman10 at hotmail.com  Thu Apr  1 14:01:44 2021
From: starman10 at hotmail.com (Lou W0FK)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 11:01:44 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 wanted
Message-ID: <1617300104224-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Having found a K3S, I am now looking for a P3. One with "no options" is
preferred, but I will consider one with the VGA adapter. I'd really like to
find one that has the CBLP3Y KIO3B RJ45 cable. Please contact me directly at
lladerman AT earthlink DOT net with particulars and asking price. 73, Lou
W0FK 



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From kd2mu345 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 14:16:57 2021
From: kd2mu345 at gmail.com (Louis Visconti)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 14:16:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] External Speaker
Message-ID: <80c10a85-4e3c-edf9-8da4-7a9f0ab087f0@gmail.com>

Can some one point me to a decent external speaker for my K2. Thanks.

Lou, KD2MU


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From ac5p at sbcglobal.net  Thu Apr  1 14:45:20 2021
From: ac5p at sbcglobal.net (Mike Maloney)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 18:45:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] External Speaker
In-Reply-To: <80c10a85-4e3c-edf9-8da4-7a9f0ab087f0@gmail.com>
References: <80c10a85-4e3c-edf9-8da4-7a9f0ab087f0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <313870818.1664979.1617302720386@mail.yahoo.com>

 Have you tried a deflector tube on the internal speaker to direct the sound toward your head/ears???
Mike AC5P
    On Thursday, April 1, 2021, 01:18:45 PM CDT, Louis Visconti <kd2mu345 at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Can some one point me to a decent external speaker for my K2. Thanks.

Lou, KD2MU


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From wa2lbi at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 15:04:07 2021
From: wa2lbi at gmail.com (wa2lbi at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2021 15:04:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] External Speaker
Message-ID: <uq6fd0gs7pslcc8f641r1kof.1617303702146@email.lge.com>

I use these on my rigs.Radio Shack?Minimus?7?JBL?ProPerformer?Ken?WA2LBI?LG G6?------ Original message------From: Mike MaloneyDate: Thu, Apr 1, 2021 14:46To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net;Louis Visconti;Cc: Subject:Re: [Elecraft] External Speaker Have you tried a deflector tube on the internal speaker to direct the sound toward your head/ears???
Mike AC5P
    On Thursday, April 1, 2021, 01:18:45 PM CDT, Louis Visconti  wrote:  
 
 Can some one point me to a decent external speaker for my K2. Thanks.

Lou, KD2MU


From louandzip at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  1 15:36:53 2021
From: louandzip at yahoo.com (Louandzip)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 19:36:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] External Speaker
In-Reply-To: <uq6fd0gs7pslcc8f641r1kof.1617303702146@email.lge.com>
References: <uq6fd0gs7pslcc8f641r1kof.1617303702146@email.lge.com>
Message-ID: <113027022.1673070.1617305813542@mail.yahoo.com>

 
Yeah.? I have one of those RS die-cast speakers I've been using since I built my K2 20 years ago.? I use it with other rigs too.? I imagine any small bookshelf speaker would work as well.? 

Lou W7HV
    On Thursday, April 1, 2021, 1:08:43 PM MDT, wa2lbi at gmail.com <wa2lbi at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 I use these on my rigs.Radio Shack?Minimus?7?JBL?ProPerformer?Ken?WA2LBI?LG G6?------ Original message------From: Mike MaloneyDate: Thu, Apr 1, 2021 14:46To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net;Louis Visconti;Cc: Subject:Re: [Elecraft] External Speaker Have you tried a deflector tube on the internal speaker to direct the sound toward your head/ears???
Mike AC5P
? ? On Thursday, April 1, 2021, 01:18:45 PM CDT, Louis Visconti? wrote:? 
 
 Can some one point me to a decent external speaker for my K2. Thanks.

Lou, KD2MU

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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Apr  1 15:55:48 2021
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 12:55:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] N6TV to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <20210401061006.Horde.6jmwUCPiHtYyY3JfU3LULsL@www11.qth.com>
References: <20210401061006.Horde.6jmwUCPiHtYyY3JfU3LULsL@www11.qth.com>
Message-ID: <b3c03b72-3e8f-b71f-2752-ee9159bd70ef@foothill.net>

Bob is a 21st Century Leonardo Da Vinci ... not only an engineer and 
generous with his time, but a top CW contester and a classically-trained 
manualist.? Sadly, he seems to have accomplished what was heretofore 
believed to be impossible and disappeared from the Internet.? His 
rendition of the Overture to William Tell using only his hands is 
unforgettable.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 4/1/2021 4:10 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
> N6TV is a very knowledge guy and he is very generous with his time. He 
> offers excellent technical advice on this list as well as others.
>
> I have two Y-Boxes and they are awesome.
>
> John KK9A
>
>
> Neil Foster n4fn wrote:
>
> I have been using Bob's "S" box for some time and could not be happier.
> Recently I decided to replace a non Elecraft radio with mty K3s/P3 
> station
> with a non Elecraft (brand "X") ?
> I ran into some issues and wrote to Bob. He responded quickly, snt a new
> Block Diagram and then followed with a phone call until we had everything
> running perfectly. It took some time and Bob was patient with this 86+ 
> year
> old geezer. Even after I have been in the hobby for 61 years you can 
> learn
> from folks definitely smarter than we are. I have a fun saying, I call 
> the
> smart guys a Wizard, Well Bob would have to be titled an EXALTED WIZARD.
> If you are not familiar with his units and have multiple radios his box
> works like a charm, check them out. Thanks Bob, you done good!!
>
> Neil?? N4FN


From neilz at techie.com  Thu Apr  1 16:15:42 2021
From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 15:15:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K4: Coolness factor meets production complexities
In-Reply-To: <636B5EDD-CECB-458A-A006-F49749609CF7@elecraft.com>
References: <636B5EDD-CECB-458A-A006-F49749609CF7@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1dc264a7-3e0d-5da9-6325-2a4503a723cf@techie.com>

This is why I'm going to patiently wait for the K4 kit release, along
with putting money aside for it.???? I suspect that along with the other
engineering challenges, y'all are working on putting together the
instructions for a proper kit build.

While it won't be as complex as a K2, it will probably have its foibles
and issues that will need to be worked out.

Keep on keeping on !! :)

Neil, KN3ILZ

On 3/31/2021 8:33 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Greetings from the mothership.
>
> Q: Are Eric and I keeping up with the K4 megathreads on the forums?
> A: You bet.
>
> But we're not weighing in as often as we normally would.
>
> On the one hand, it's affirming as a small company to be at the eye of a storm of anxious demand. On the other hand we really feel your pain. On the third hand (we need three these days), we're both seriously overworked trying to ramp up production.
>
> A radio with this many features and so much new tech -- the coolness factor -- comes with a lot of new assembly and test procedures. A whole lot of invention. New tricks we didn't know we had to learn. Over the past week alone our manufacturing engineering team probably shaved 50% off the total time per unit.
>
> For me, it's feast/famine. I have serial #00002 on my workbench and use it every day. Every day there's new and improved software to be played with and thoroughly vetted. That's the fun part. But I also spend hours daily optimizing interaction between the K4's multiple processors, evolving faster ways to do alignment/test, and helping our software team work through a long wish-list of new capabilities.
>
> The work can be tedious. Still, every evening when the team finally knocks off (and I do mean every evening, including most weekends), I get another chance to be a kid in the candy store. This rig's just so much fun to operate. And I'm confident that for every new K4 that comes off the line ready for its first test drive, there's an operator who'll experience the same feeling I do.
>
> Despite the K4's advanced circuitry, I'm always reminded of my very first efforts at home-brew, when I was maybe 15. Discovery. Tweaking. From raw parts with their leads twisted together to prototypes only a mother could love to finished product to that first demo at a club meeting. It's much the same now, though the parts are smaller, the tools more exotic, and the stakes higher.
>
> What I can promise is that we're putting everything we have into the K4, like we have with every product over the past 20 years. We can't wait to get them into your hands, and hear the smiles behind the mics and keys.
>
> 73,
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
>

From cyaffey at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 16:16:58 2021
From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 16:16:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 with a Yaesu FTdx101D
Message-ID: <B8DE4DA0-3541-43BB-BBB6-BC34A6929283@gmail.com>

I?m trying to get the KPA1500 utility to work with my Windows 10 PC and my Yaesu FTdx101D.
I have downloaded the FTDI driver, run setup, and received a message saying the driver is on my PC.
But when I run the utility it only sees COM3 and COM4, ports provided by a Yaesu driver for WSJT-X and fldigi.
Obviously it cannot connect to these ports. I expected to see a port from the FTDI driver install. 
Any help would be appreciated. 

Carl Yaffey  K8NU
614 268 6353, Columbus OH
http://www.carl-yaffey.com
http://www.grassahol.com
http://www.bluesswing.com
http://www.timbrewolves.carl-yaffey.com
http://www.folkramblers.carl-yaffey.com
Http:www.clintonvillegrass.com



From cyaffey at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 16:24:05 2021
From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 16:24:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Please ignore previous message
Message-ID: <AB5306A8-9E6B-4C54-B035-A6922B5727DA@gmail.com>

After several more attempts I successfully installed the FTDI driver. All is well now.
73
Carl Yaffey  K8NU
614 268 6353, Columbus OH
http://www.carl-yaffey.com
http://www.grassahol.com
http://www.bluesswing.com
http://www.timbrewolves.carl-yaffey.com
http://www.folkramblers.carl-yaffey.com
Http:www.clintonvillegrass.com



From donnieput at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 16:44:36 2021
From: donnieput at gmail.com (Don Putnick)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 13:44:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] A different whine
Message-ID: <CA+T3j_XPf4dR9oNoUW-44wyFN03WThLa-UpAeMG7ZWGT4nNyYQ@mail.gmail.com>

PLEEZE trim your email. Quoting 5 deep is a bit much.

From donovanf at erols.com  Thu Apr  1 17:31:06 2021
From: donovanf at erols.com (donovanf at erols.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 17:31:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Transceiver transmitted composite noise measurements
In-Reply-To: <896540125.1701399.1617302275009.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
Message-ID: <677204361.1785539.1617312666378.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>





Rob Sherwood NC0B agreed to freely share his 
transmitted composite noise measurements (dBc/Hz). 
Rob's measurements are limited to only those 
transceivers he has access to. Bob has always 
offered top measure the performance of any 
transceiver, but of course he needs access for 
testing. 




Transmitted composite noise is only an issue 
in your immediate local area -- such as 
interference to other hams within several miles 
if you'd like to retain their friendship -- 
or to co-located transceivers in your own station 
for SO2R, multi-op or Field Day. 


Transmitted noise can be controlled by transmitter 
bandpass filters to reduce noise into transceivers 
operating on other bands but a bandpass filter 
can't reduce noise radiated into a transceiver 
operating in the same band such as a CW and SSB 
transceiver in the same band during Field Day. 


Composite transmitted noise is significantly worse 
for some transceivers when their output power is 
reduced to drive a modern amplifier. Rob shared his 
data -- see below -- for all of transceivers he 
has tested for transmitted c omposite noise at 
30 watts output. Transmitted noise from some 
transceivers is much worse at reduced output 
power than others, most notably the IC-7300. 


K3S transmitted noise with 30 watts output power 
is increased by 9 dB at 10 kHz from the transmitter 
frequency, but noise power 100 kHz from the 
transmitting frequency is degraded only 3 dB, 
the minimum degradation one would ever expect. 


Transmitting on 20 meters 
All values in dBc/Hz 
Transceivers set to 100 watts output power 


offsets from suppressed carrier frequency 
Transceiver 2 kHz 10 kHz 20 kHz 100 kHz 


Flex 6700 -130* -143 n/a -148 
K3S -141 n/a -143 
FTdx-101D -133 -137 -138 -141 
FTdx10 -126# -130 -131 -135 
IC-7851 -129 n/a -138 
IC-7610 -128 -130 -142 
Flex 6400 -122 -127 -139 
IC-705 ^ -120 -121 -122 -128 
IC-7300 -121 -121 -124 
FTdx-3000 -120 n/a -121 
TS-890S -116 -119 -127 -139 


* measured at 1 kHz offset 
# measured at 2.5 kHz offset 
^ IC-705 tested at 10 watts 


Transmitting on 20 meters 
All values in dBc/Hz 
Transceivers set to 30 watts output power 



offsets from suppressed carrier frequency 
Transceiver 2 kHz 10 kHz 20 kHz 100 kHz 


FTdx-101D -129 -134 -135 -137 
K3S -132 n/a -140 
IC-7851 -123 n/a -133 
FTdx10 -120# -123 -124 -129 
IC-7610 -122 -124 -127 
Flex 6400 -120 -125 -137 
IC-705 ^ -118 -120 -120 -126 
FTdx-3000 -117 n/a -117 
TS-890S -112 -115 -124 -135 
IC-7300 -110 -109 -116 


# measured at 2.5 kHz offset 
^ IC-705 tested at 3 watts 




73 
Frank 
W3LPL 






From n7cqr at arrl.net  Thu Apr  1 18:14:47 2021
From: n7cqr at arrl.net (Dan Presley)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 15:14:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4: Coolness factor meets production complexities
In-Reply-To: <1dc264a7-3e0d-5da9-6325-2a4503a723cf@techie.com>
References: <1dc264a7-3e0d-5da9-6325-2a4503a723cf@techie.com>
Message-ID: <D00979CC-62DC-4A24-BE9A-9254DF820A16@arrl.net>

Same here.when the radio arrives I know it?ll be great and ready to go.  What is the obsession with weekly updates? I want them sorting out the radios not wasting time on a bunch of emails etc. In the meantime get outside and turn on your radio and get on the air. The bands are coming back to life. Also be aware that some of the?pot stirrers? on this subject don?t even have one on order. Hard to fathom frankly. 

Dan Presley 503-701-3871
danpresley at me. com 
N7CQR at arrl.net


> On Apr 1, 2021, at 13:17, Neil Zampella <neilz at techie.com> wrote:
> 
> ?This is why I'm going to patiently wait for the K4 kit release, along
> with putting money aside for it.     I suspect that along with the other
> engineering challenges, y'all are working on putting together the
> instructions for a proper kit build.
> 
> While it won't be as complex as a K2, it will probably have its foibles
> and issues that will need to be worked out.
> 
> Keep on keeping on !! :)
> 
> Neil, KN3ILZ
> 
>> On 3/31/2021 8:33 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> Greetings from the mothership.
>> 
>> Q: Are Eric and I keeping up with the K4 megathreads on the forums?
>> A: You bet.
>> 
>> But we're not weighing in as often as we normally would.
>> 
>> On the one hand, it's affirming as a small company to be at the eye of a storm of anxious demand. On the other hand we really feel your pain. On the third hand (we need three these days), we're both seriously overworked trying to ramp up production.
>> 
>> A radio with this many features and so much new tech -- the coolness factor -- comes with a lot of new assembly and test procedures. A whole lot of invention. New tricks we didn't know we had to learn. Over the past week alone our manufacturing engineering team probably shaved 50% off the total time per unit.
>> 
>> For me, it's feast/famine. I have serial #00002 on my workbench and use it every day. Every day there's new and improved software to be played with and thoroughly vetted. That's the fun part. But I also spend hours daily optimizing interaction between the K4's multiple processors, evolving faster ways to do alignment/test, and helping our software team work through a long wish-list of new capabilities.
>> 
>> The work can be tedious. Still, every evening when the team finally knocks off (and I do mean every evening, including most weekends), I get another chance to be a kid in the candy store. This rig's just so much fun to operate. And I'm confident that for every new K4 that comes off the line ready for its first test drive, there's an operator who'll experience the same feeling I do.
>> 
>> Despite the K4's advanced circuitry, I'm always reminded of my very first efforts at home-brew, when I was maybe 15. Discovery. Tweaking. From raw parts with their leads twisted together to prototypes only a mother could love to finished product to that first demo at a club meeting. It's much the same now, though the parts are smaller, the tools more exotic, and the stakes higher.
>> 
>> What I can promise is that we're putting everything we have into the K4, like we have with every product over the past 20 years. We can't wait to get them into your hands, and hear the smiles behind the mics and keys.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From a.durbin at msn.com  Thu Apr  1 19:23:57 2021
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 23:23:57 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Transceiver transmitted composite noise measurements
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB29687379737A22A16F44A1998C7B9@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

Some people see no problem in taking a good neighbor and turning it into a bad one.  I'm referring to the TS-590, which performs quite will in this regard, being degraded by adding a cheap TCXO.   I'm guilty of going the cheap TCXO route but I got rid of them when I saw the test data.

Mark's measurements, and a link to mine, can be found here - https://sites.google.com/site/markstcxomeasurements/

73,
Andy, k3wyc


From w2xj at w2xj.net  Thu Apr  1 21:55:24 2021
From: w2xj at w2xj.net (w2xj)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 21:55:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] A different whine
In-Reply-To: <CA+T3j_XPf4dR9oNoUW-44wyFN03WThLa-UpAeMG7ZWGT4nNyYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+T3j_XPf4dR9oNoUW-44wyFN03WThLa-UpAeMG7ZWGT4nNyYQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Looks like yet another self appointed moderator. 



> On April 1, 2021 4:44 PM Don Putnick <donnieput at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>  
> PLEEZE trim your email. Quoting 5 deep is a bit much.
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From donnieput at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 22:01:02 2021
From: donnieput at gmail.com (Don Putnick)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 19:01:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] A different whine
In-Reply-To: <1337783234.97588.1617328524225@webmail4.networksolutionsemail.com>
References: <CA+T3j_XPf4dR9oNoUW-44wyFN03WThLa-UpAeMG7ZWGT4nNyYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1337783234.97588.1617328524225@webmail4.networksolutionsemail.com>
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Yep, with no apologies.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 6:55 PM w2xj <w2xj at w2xj.net> wrote:

>
> Looks like yet another self appointed moderator.
>
>
>

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Thu Apr  1 22:59:27 2021
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 19:59:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] External Speaker
In-Reply-To: <uq6fd0gs7pslcc8f641r1kof.1617303702146@email.lge.com>
References: <uq6fd0gs7pslcc8f641r1kof.1617303702146@email.lge.com>
Message-ID: <b43b4fc9-6a72-083d-ceee-b464b6c82122@triconet.org>

Minimus 7.? I pick them up at estate sales.? I have over a half dozen around 
here.? I have a pair on my K3S another pair on my TS-890 and a couple+subwoofer 
on the AV receiver/TV set. Of course most of the time with the radios I use a 
headset and wouldn't dream of using speakers:-)

Wes? N7WS


On 4/1/2021 12:04 PM, wa2lbi at gmail.com wrote:
> I use these on my rigs.Radio Shack?Minimus?7?JBL?ProPerformer?Ken?WA2LBI?LG G6?------ Original message------From: Mike MaloneyDate: Thu, Apr 1, 2021 14:46To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net;Louis Visconti;Cc: Subject:Re: [Elecraft] External Speaker Have you tried a deflector tube on the internal speaker to direct the sound toward your head/ears?
> Mike AC5P
>      On Thursday, April 1, 2021, 01:18:45 PM CDT, Louis Visconti  wrote:
>   
>   Can some one point me to a decent external speaker for my K2. Thanks.
>
> Lou, KD2MU
>


From w2xj at w2xj.net  Thu Apr  1 23:50:44 2021
From: w2xj at w2xj.net (w2xj)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 23:50:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] A different whine
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	<1337783234.97588.1617328524225@webmail4.networksolutionsemail.com>
	<CA+T3j_XObf09YBma3_uNSfvFpYvWr_VqSCwmAmBzaRYxfPi=eA@mail.gmail.com>
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So who cares what you think?

> On April 1, 2021 10:01 PM Don Putnick <donnieput at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Yep, with no apologies.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 6:55 PM w2xj <w2xj at w2xj.net> wrote:
> > 
> >  Looks like yet another self appointed moderator. 
> >  
> > 
> >

From julia at juliatuttle.net  Thu Apr  1 23:54:30 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 23:54:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] A different whine
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References: <CA+T3j_XPf4dR9oNoUW-44wyFN03WThLa-UpAeMG7ZWGT4nNyYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1337783234.97588.1617328524225@webmail4.networksolutionsemail.com>
	<CA+T3j_XObf09YBma3_uNSfvFpYvWr_VqSCwmAmBzaRYxfPi=eA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1347049433.97901.1617335444207@webmail4.networksolutionsemail.com>
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Clearly you do; would y'all mind taking this discussion off the list?

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021, 23:51 w2xj <w2xj at w2xj.net> wrote:

>
> So who cares what you think?
>
> > On April 1, 2021 10:01 PM Don Putnick <donnieput at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Yep, with no apologies.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 6:55 PM w2xj <w2xj at w2xj.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >  Looks like yet another self appointed moderator.
> > >
> > >
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From Gary at ka1j.com  Fri Apr  2 00:08:42 2021
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2021 00:08:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 whining
In-Reply-To: <1ca8783e-df15-0b22-9bf5-df3235442b62@ve3yf.com>
References: <005c01d72663$91d915e0$b58b41a0$@nbnet.nb.ca>,
	<1ca8783e-df15-0b22-9bf5-df3235442b62@ve3yf.com>
Message-ID: <606698CA.18220.42EB23B7@Gary.ka1j.com>

Make me an echo of the previous sentiments 
in this thread. I laid out a full advance 
deposit shortly after the K4 was announced 
& there was an ordering ability offered. I 
chose a fully loaded K4D and am on the 
request/waiting list for a HD add-on when 
that is later made available.

To me, it's boorish to complain Elecraft 
hasn't started shipping the K4 out yet, 
fulfilling orders. Nobody wants the K4 
actively shipping more than Elecraft, it's 
their livelihoods and for us, it is our 
hobby: Food & shelter trumps fun every 
day.

The whining is childish and makes no 
sense. You'd think anyone savvy enough to 
generate the disposable income to buy a K4 
would also be savvy enough to know why 
such whining is useless.

Too much QRM.

73,

Gary
KA1J
Looking forward to my K4D on my table, 
when it's ready.

From donovanf at erols.com  Fri Apr  2 02:49:29 2021
From: donovanf at erols.com (donovanf at erols.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 02:49:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Transceiver transmitted composite noise at reduced
	output power
In-Reply-To: <7ccd37c8-1fa7-beb0-4341-b0c9d5979454@mwt.net>
Message-ID: <255817896.1912013.1617346169499.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>

Hi Joe, 


I'll be pleased to email a pdf of Rob Sherwood's transceiver 
transmitted composite noise measurements to you or anyone 
who requests them 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Joe" <nss at mwt.net> 
To: donovanf at erols.com, "CQ-Contest" <cq-contest at contesting.com>, "Elecraft" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 11:09:50 PM 
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Transceiver transmitted composite noise at reduced output power 

Hi Frank, 
Looks like the e mail machine strips attachments. 

Can you E-Mail this directly to me? 

Thanks 

Joe wb9sbd nss at mwt.ne 

On 4/1/2021 1:37 PM, donovanf at erols.com wrote: 
> 
> Rob Sherwood NC0B agreed to freely share his full transmitted 
> composite noise measurements (dBc/Hz). Rob's measurements are 
> limited to only transceivers he has access to. He'll be pleased to 
> measure the performance of any transceiver, but of course he needs 
> access for testing. 
> 
> 
> 
> Transmitted composite noise is only an issue in your immediate local 
> area -- such as interference to other hams within several miles if you 
> want to keep them as friends -- or to other transceivers in your own 
> station for SO2R, multi-op or Field Day. Transmitted noise can be 
> controlled by transmitter bandpass filters to reduce noise into 
> transceivers on other bands but a bandpass filter can't reduce noise 
> into a transceiver on the same band such as a CW and an SSB station 
> on the same band during Field Day. 
> 
> 
> Several hams asked about degraded transmitted noise power 
> when the output power is reduced to drive a modern amplifier. 
> Rob shared his data -- attached to this email -- for all of transceivers 
> he has tested for transmitted composite noise at 30 watts output. 
> Transmitted noise output from some transceivers -- such as the IC-7300 -- 
> is much worse at reduced output power, most others are degraded 
> from 3 to 6 dB. 
> 
> 
> K3S transmitted noise with 30 watts output power is increased by 
> 9 dB at 10 kHz from the transmitter frequency, but noise power 
> 100 kHz from the transmitting frequency is degraded only 3 dB, 
> the minimum degradation one would ever expect. 
> 
> 
> The top of the first page is Rob's transmitted composite noise 
> measurements at 100 watts output power. 
> 
> 
> 
> The bottom of the first page is composite noise measurements 
> at 30 watts output power. 
> 
> 
> The second page is six meter tests on the the TS-890S 
> 
> 
> 73 
> Frank 
> W3LPL 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From cx7tt at 4email.net  Fri Apr  2 10:51:45 2021
From: cx7tt at 4email.net (cx7tt at 4email.net)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2021 09:51:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 with SDRplay?
Message-ID: <d0fcfece-ae33-4ea1-a44a-2709d134b8cd@www.fastmail.com>

My K2 is modified with Z10000 IF buffer added. Originally set up for N8LP's LP-PAN. I no longer have this config.

New is the RSPdx from SDRplay that I would like to use.

Anyone doing this and if so, what tips, suggestions would you have?

73
Tom
HP1XT aka K2GO



From dave at w8fgu.com  Fri Apr  2 10:56:54 2021
From: dave at w8fgu.com (Dave Van Wallaghen)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2021 14:56:54 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 with SDRplay?
In-Reply-To: <d0fcfece-ae33-4ea1-a44a-2709d134b8cd@www.fastmail.com>
References: <d0fcfece-ae33-4ea1-a44a-2709d134b8cd@www.fastmail.com>
Message-ID: <em5408615a-9dd9-41d6-8200-5ba581962581@w8fgu-desktop>

Tom,

I have a complete write up here: https://www.w8fgu.com/k2pan.html

73,
Dave, W8FGU


On 4/2/2021 10:51:45 AM, cx7tt at 4email.net wrote:

>My K2 is modified with Z10000 IF buffer added. Originally set up for N8LP's LP-PAN. I no longer have this config.
>
>New is the RSPdx from SDRplay that I would like to use.
>
>Anyone doing this and if so, what tips, suggestions would you have?
>
>73
>Tom
>HP1XT aka K2GO
>
>
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From cx7tt at 4email.net  Fri Apr  2 11:04:41 2021
From: cx7tt at 4email.net (cx7tt at 4email.net)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2021 10:04:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 with SDRplay?
In-Reply-To: <em5408615a-9dd9-41d6-8200-5ba581962581@w8fgu-desktop>
References: <d0fcfece-ae33-4ea1-a44a-2709d134b8cd@www.fastmail.com>
	<em5408615a-9dd9-41d6-8200-5ba581962581@w8fgu-desktop>
Message-ID: <e423a27c-9ad7-496d-9d8d-98575434d291@www.fastmail.com>

Fantastic Dave,

Tnx for such a quick response.

73
Tom
K2GO
HP1XT

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021, at 09:56, Dave Van Wallaghen wrote:
> Tom,
> 
> I have a complete write up here: https://www.w8fgu.com/k2pan.html
> 
> 73,
> Dave, W8FGU
> 
> 
> On 4/2/2021 10:51:45 AM, cx7tt at 4email.net wrote:
> 
> >My K2 is modified with Z10000 IF buffer added. Originally set up for N8LP's LP-PAN. I no longer have this config.
> >
> >New is the RSPdx from SDRplay that I would like to use.
> >
> >Anyone doing this and if so, what tips, suggestions would you have?
> >
> >73
> >Tom
> >HP1XT aka K2GO
> >
> >
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From ka4fox at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 14:38:05 2021
From: ka4fox at gmail.com (Steve Fox)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 14:38:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] MC-60A
Message-ID: <895CFBC5-C7D4-4050-A4B5-7B25C2A18153@gmail.com>

Do I need to make any modifications to use an MC-60A microphone with a K3?

Thanks
Steve
KA4FOX 

From weaverwf at usermail.com  Fri Apr  2 15:42:34 2021
From: weaverwf at usermail.com (weaverwf at usermail.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 15:42:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] MC-60A
In-Reply-To: <895CFBC5-C7D4-4050-A4B5-7B25C2A18153@gmail.com>
References: <895CFBC5-C7D4-4050-A4B5-7B25C2A18153@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <93F9437F-BF6F-4A9D-8471-9171A9CAA80F@usermail.com>

No it should be fine

73,
Bill WE5P

Comfortably Numb

> On Apr 2, 2021, at 14:39, Steve Fox <ka4fox at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Do I need to make any modifications to use an MC-60A microphone with a K3?
> 
> Thanks
> Steve
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From ab4iq at comcast.net  Fri Apr  2 16:10:31 2021
From: ab4iq at comcast.net (Ed Pflueger)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 15:10:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] MC-60A
In-Reply-To: <93F9437F-BF6F-4A9D-8471-9171A9CAA80F@usermail.com>
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In the menu you will need to set MIC SEL to FP.L You can toggle it by pushing the #1 key and turn the Bias off in the same menu by toggling with the #2 Key.  If you have the Fred Cady book a whole list of parameters for different Microphones are listed on Page 279.

Ed.. AB4IQ

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Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 2:43 PM
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] MC-60A

No it should be fine

73,
Bill WE5P

Comfortably Numb

> On Apr 2, 2021, at 14:39, Steve Fox <ka4fox at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Do I need to make any modifications to use an MC-60A microphone with a K3?
> 
> Thanks
> Steve
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From b.denley at comcast.net  Fri Apr  2 17:21:55 2021
From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 17:21:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] MC-60A
In-Reply-To: <895CFBC5-C7D4-4050-A4B5-7B25C2A18153@gmail.com>
References: <895CFBC5-C7D4-4050-A4B5-7B25C2A18153@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FEED21AE-9765-419F-98CE-72D7733D5BBF@comcast.net>

That mic has a built in preamp, even though it is a dynamic mic.  You might consider that and lower your mic gain setting in the K3.

Brian Denley
KB1VBF
Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 2, 2021, at 2:39 PM, Steve Fox <ka4fox at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Do I need to make any modifications to use an MC-60A microphone with a K3?
> 
> Thanks
> Steve
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From va3jmk at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 18:25:01 2021
From: va3jmk at gmail.com (M J K)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 18:25:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] MC-60A
In-Reply-To: <895CFBC5-C7D4-4050-A4B5-7B25C2A18153@gmail.com>
References: <895CFBC5-C7D4-4050-A4B5-7B25C2A18153@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAObSowU5S1RcDRQKN7UnexQrArEoDQ6_H6TXmdGFRYge17Jsrw@mail.gmail.com>

I have been running a MC-60A on my K3s  great results. Just recently
switched to a Heil  PR-781 on a boom

On Fri., Apr. 2, 2021, 2:39 p.m. Steve Fox, <ka4fox at gmail.com> wrote:

> Do I need to make any modifications to use an MC-60A microphone with a K3?
>
> Thanks
> Steve
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From norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 18:34:30 2021
From: norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com (Eric Norris)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 15:34:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] N6TV to the rescue
In-Reply-To: <20210401061006.Horde.6jmwUCPiHtYyY3JfU3LULsL@www11.qth.com>
References: <20210401061006.Horde.6jmwUCPiHtYyY3JfU3LULsL@www11.qth.com>
Message-ID: <CAJSJeL0Viva_Dx+oaUCENJAVAM9Q_w1XUUiLKstpfzNJtXZNBg@mail.gmail.com>

I can not overstate how great Bob N6TV is to work with--I asked him to
create some complex stuff using S-Box and Y-boxes, he provided schematics,
hookup charts, and cables labeled at both ends for EVERYTHING, and then
spent more hours explaing everything to me.  Just fantastic!

If I had seen his QSOToday presentation on Serial Ports years ago, it would
have saved me many hours of frustration learning his tips piecemeal over
the years one at a time.

Also, I have to give K6KR a shout for suggesting Gearmo port splitters to
me years ago--still in daily service here with zero hassle.

73 Eric WD6DBM

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021, 4:10 AM <john at kk9a.com> wrote:

> N6TV is a very knowledge guy and he is very generous with his time. He
> offers excellent technical advice on this list as well as others.
>
> I have two Y-Boxes and they are awesome.
>
> John KK9A
>
>
> Neil Foster n4fn wrote:
>
> I have been using Bob's "S" box for some time and could not be happier.
> Recently I decided to replace a non Elecraft radio with mty K3s/P3 station
> with a non Elecraft (brand "X") ?
> I ran into some issues and wrote to Bob. He responded quickly, snt a new
> Block Diagram and then followed with a phone call until we had everything
> running perfectly. It took some time and Bob was patient with this 86+ year
> old geezer. Even after I have been in the hobby for 61 years you can learn
> from folks definitely smarter than we are. I have a fun saying, I call the
> smart guys a Wizard, Well Bob would have to be titled an EXALTED WIZARD.
> If you are not familiar with his units and have multiple radios his box
> works like a charm, check them out. Thanks Bob, you done good!!
>
> Neil   N4FN
>
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From sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 18:42:25 2021
From: sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com (stephen shearer)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 18:42:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] MC-60A - K4 option request...
In-Reply-To: <FEED21AE-9765-419F-98CE-72D7733D5BBF@comcast.net>
References: <895CFBC5-C7D4-4050-A4B5-7B25C2A18153@gmail.com>
	<FEED21AE-9765-419F-98CE-72D7733D5BBF@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <62ef4610-1306-faeb-53e2-7d6028ecde71@gmail.com>

OK, yes - put it on the "to do" list...

I have had the "same" issue with my KX3.? Adjusting the TX EQ, CMP, and 
Mike gain.
See: 
https://observer.wunderwood.org/2015/09/09/transmit-audio-and-compression-with-the-elecraft-kx3/ 


OK, I would like to see for the K4, a built-in APP that will adjust all 
three by (speaking the phonetic alphabet ?? or other) and specifying 
wide, normal, or DX.? Well, I can dream.? I have a couple of different 
headsets and even from Heil, they all have different elements.? Need 
different settings.? How nice (for Field Day for example) to be able to 
sit down in front of the radio and have the radio, tune to your voice...

It must be possible???


73, steve WB3LGC

On 4/2/21 5:21 PM, Brian Denley wrote:
> That mic has a built in preamp, even though it is a dynamic mic.  You might consider that and lower your mic gain setting in the K3.
>
> Brian Denley
> KB1VBF
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Apr 2, 2021, at 2:39 PM, Steve Fox <ka4fox at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Do I need to make any modifications to use an MC-60A microphone with a K3?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Steve
>> KA4FOX
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From archernf at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 19:35:58 2021
From: archernf at gmail.com (Neil)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2021 19:35:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] N6TV to the Rescue Part 2
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6004.1617398522.3572.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.6004.1617398522.3572.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <6067AA5E.6060507@gmail.com>

My bad....I thought I had checked my post and I realized I was not 
clear. I still have my K3s and P3 station along with the KPA-1500. The 
"S" box interlaces all the radios, K3s and KPA1500 along with the 
SteppIR.. So let me clarify...
TNX
Neil   N4FN



From sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com  Sat Apr  3 13:16:42 2021
From: sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com (stephen shearer)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 13:16:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 PX3 PSK31 SPLIT
In-Reply-To: <8300487b-018b-6a8e-b357-c936e4c34aa2@nr3i.org>
References: <8300487b-018b-6a8e-b357-c936e4c34aa2@nr3i.org>
Message-ID: <a7f98573-e94e-6e99-2e9f-28da2ff6ca2c@gmail.com>


OK,? I tried...

Can I set up the internal PSK31 for split?

I tried, the best I could do is RIT.
It would be nice to TX and have split to tune RX.
PSK31 works, but is touchy.? It would be nice to leave the TX freq alone 
(so the other station doesn't have to chase you) as you move the RX freq 
to keep any lock.? Stronger signals "seem" to less of a problem.
BTW, the PX3 with keyboard is very nice for digital modes as "function" 
keys provide text memories.
(has anyone else made use of this feature?)

Decode ON (for one) makes SPLIT N/A ??

Anyone tried this on K4?

73, steve WB3LGC


From dave at nk7z.net  Sat Apr  3 13:55:10 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 10:55:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted: used DCHF-2000A Power sensor
Message-ID: <889d6f0f-042d-0c44-3d89-8d29d3320dbe@nk7z.net>

Hello,

I am looking for a used DCHF-2000A power sensor by Elecraft.  If you 
have one that is working, please email me with condition, and price.  I 
will pay shipping.

-- 
73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

From kevinr at coho.net  Sat Apr  3 21:08:26 2021
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 18:08:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <0fb2b601-c488-4845-f998-9e6818538be7@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? There have been a number of sunny days this week.? They are starting 
to form a pattern :)? I saw a few trilliums as I struggled through the 
thicket of hemlock along the southern edge of my land.? I did find a few 
places where the deer had made a path, but they are rather? short.? If I 
follow I have to go on my hands and knees.? I would rather find another 
way.? There are more bedding areas now, some opening up to my east as 
the alder grow taller.? Soon the deer will be more common at this 
elevation as their fodder grows.

 ? A tiny sunspot showed up today.? Solar flux is still low at 72 sfu 
with a weak auroral oval.? But there are more hours of sunlight now, at 
least in the northern hemisphere, providing more time to ionize the 
Heaviside layer.? I replaced the lighting in my shack which should 
improve my mood, if nothing else.? Oregon's winter offers little 
sunshine, even artificial light can make a difference.? However, a day 
spent bushwhacking through the alder is even better.


Please join us on (or near):

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 ? 7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

 ?? 73,
 ????? Kevin. KD5ONS


-





I was advised to read journal papers in biology, ecology, and 
linguistics while taking courses in grammars, artificial intelligence, 
robotics, and control theory.? This week I was reading about how flies 
employ their halteres as sensors to determine angular velocity.? The 
information gathered is sent to a central pattern generator controlling 
their flight muscles.

"Central pattern generators (CPG) are neurons or neural circuits that 
produce periodic output without requiring patterned input." Artificial 
neural networks mimic neural pathways in animals. Worms and insects have 
simple neural structures making them easy to study and model.? I created 
a neural network to simulate the motion of a frightened sea slug.? In 
the case of the tritonia sea slug, a single nerve input triggers the 
generator to alternately flex the slug's dorsal and ventral muscles to 
propel it away from danger.? If the triggering enervation ceases, the 
cycle continues for a set period of time.? If the danger persists the 
generator keeps getting triggered, adding another cycle.

The pattern generator allows the organism to use its other nerves, for 
other purposes, while the CPG does its job.? If it was on a computer, 
this method would be called distributed processing.? More complex 
organisms have more generators.? A house fly has numerous generators, 
from those for flight, to those used for cleaning itself.? Avian species 
use CPGs for their songs and mating rituals.? Mammals have generators 
for gait or brachiation, as well as for digestion and other behaviors.? 
Neural pathways can be enhanced through training, we call it muscle memory.

I wrote my training set using backpropagation through time to train a 
recurrent neural network.? If I had built a robotic sea slug this would 
have been its escape mechanism.? More recent studies show the pattern 
generators can be nested allowing a great deal of control through only a 
few neurons.? I expect people to use numerous trained neural networks as 
a basis for larger, nested networks.? Leave the weightings trained into 
individual networks fixed, as you train them to work in concert, 
tweaking the interlinking neurons for more complex tasks.

If your little gray cells need exercise here are some links to follow:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halteres

https://academic.oup.com/icb/article/56/5/865/2420623

https://www.pnas.org/content/112/5/1481

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.15.298679v1.full

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0135011

https://jeb.biologists.org/content/222/20/jeb192054

https://d2l.ai/chapter_recurrent-neural-networks/bptt.html

https://machinelearningmastery.com/gentle-introduction-backpropagation-time/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/recurrent-neural-network

https://stanford.edu/~shervine/teaching/cs-230/cheatsheet-recurrent-neural-networks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recurrent_neural_network


Remember: neural plasticity is good but it requires you to forget at a 
certain rate.? It is the Red Queen dilemma for engineers :(




From rikoski at rikoski.com  Sun Apr  4 21:39:09 2021
From: rikoski at rikoski.com (rikoski)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 20:39:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] No power out of a K line.
Message-ID: <34A33BED-68AA-4205-AD34-4F3DCBFCF34D@rikoski.com>

I have an Elecraft K3, KAT 500 and KPA 500.

 

I usually use it at full power with a 260? off-center dipole on 160, 80, 40, and 20m.

 

Last week, I tried it with a 140? doublet on 160 meters to see if the tuner would be able to reduce the swr to enable operation on that band.

 

Since then when trying it on any band with the off center dipole, it shows the K3 putting whatever power it is set to but then immediately drops to zero.

 

Is this a matter of switch settings or did I burn something out?

 

Thanks. Rick W9ZD

From ars.nc0jw at gmail.com  Sun Apr  4 21:40:59 2021
From: ars.nc0jw at gmail.com (Jim White - NC0JW)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 19:40:59 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB 20 meter net - Easter Sunday April 4, 2021
Message-ID: <33EF945E-567B-4309-BEFE-B110D2B5AEAE@gmail.com>

There were 17 check ins for the Easter Sunday April 4, 2021 edition of the Elecraft SSB 20 meter net. Our ?normal? net control station Eric WB9JNZ was enjoying Easter with family and friends so Steve WM6P stepped to the plate as net control to do battle with the propagation gods.  As usual several relay stations were able to assist with check ins.  Thanks to Steve and the relay stations for helping out in Eric?s absence. 

As in past weeks QSB was the main challenge during the net.  Propagation seemed to favor east coast stations today.

WM6P	Steve	GA	K3S		11453 	Net control w/ KPA1500
NC0JW	Jim		CO	KX3		1356	Relay station
K1NW	Brian	RI	K3		4974	Relay station
AE6JV	Bill		NH	K3		6299	Relay station
AB7CE	Roy		MT	K2		40
K2VJK	Vern	NY	K3		6995
W1NGA	Al		CO	Flex 6400M
NS7P	Phil		OR	K3		1826	Relay station
W4DML	Doug	TN	K3		6433
K8NU	Carl		OH	Yaesu FTDX-101D w/KPA1500
N4NRW	Roger	SC	K3		1318	Relay station
K7BRR	Bill		AZ	K3S		10996
W7QHD	Kurt		AZ	K2/100	1538
N0MPM	Mike	CO	KX3		8820
W4TMW	Tom		GA	Flex 6600 w/ KPA500
VA5YOY	Todd	SK	Icom IC-705
KI5AAI	Joe		TX	Icom IC-7300

The Elecraft SSB Net meets on Sunday at 1800 UTC on or about 14.3035 MHz. Helping with propagation challenges we employ relay stations located around the continental USA to assist with check ins.  As conditions permit we take questions and comments after check ins  We also have a 40 meter SSB Net on Sunday at 1900 UTC on 7.280 MHz with Steve WM6P in Georgia serving as net control .  Our 80 meter net meets at 0100 UTC Sunday evening local around 3.775 MHZ with net control station Paul KB9AVO located in Indiana.

73 from Colorado

Jim White - NC0JW
ars.nc0jw at gmail.com





From kevinr at coho.net  Mon Apr  5 00:23:33 2021
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 21:23:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <0804a650-7f67-d04c-78cf-c2e8a42ab8dc@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? There was more QSB than I had expected.? On twenty meters an 
operator would be strong one second and gone the next.? On forty meters 
there was more noise with less QSB.? I had to move downward to avoid the 
RTTY folks on forty.


 ? On 14050.4 kHz at 2200z:

W0CZ - Ken - ND

NO8V - John - MI

KL7CW - Rick - AK

K4JPN - Steve - GA

W8OV - Dave - TX


 ? On 7046.5 kHz at 0000z:

K6PJV - Dale - CA

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

KL7CW - Rick - AK


 ?? It was a quiet, sunny Easter.

Until next week 73,

 ??? Kevin.? KD5ONS


-
















Those who are able to see beyond the shadows and lies of their culture
will never be understood, let alone believed, by the masses.? ~ Plato












From 99sunset at gmail.com  Mon Apr  5 09:06:11 2021
From: 99sunset at gmail.com (Steve Hall)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 09:06:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 40 meter net 4-4-21
Message-ID: <CALdUqNM_abvVMHXcjf5F22Tk97YkKBiRORdwJkZJq9Ufeh=tFg@mail.gmail.com>

Happy Easter to all.
Many thanks to my relay stations.

WM6P STEVE GA K3S NETCONTROL
K8NU CARL OH FTDX101
W9EJB ED IN K3
NC0JW JIM CO KX3
W5SV DAVE TX K3
K1NW BRIAN RI K3
K2VJK VERN NY K3
KG5EFR JOE FL FT891
KN4QPA JOE VA FT818 5 Watts
AB7CE ROY MT K2
NS7P PHIL OR K3
AE6JV BILL NH K3

From pvandyke1953 at gmail.com  Mon Apr  5 09:11:26 2021
From: pvandyke1953 at gmail.com (Paul Van Dyke)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 08:11:26 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 40 meter net 4-4-21
In-Reply-To: <CALdUqNM_abvVMHXcjf5F22Tk97YkKBiRORdwJkZJq9Ufeh=tFg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALdUqNM_abvVMHXcjf5F22Tk97YkKBiRORdwJkZJq9Ufeh=tFg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPKcU=tgv5a=PhB4dGJ5vKsWzAapAbtkJEgkzytVMsn5yzXuQ@mail.gmail.com>

As I was driving to Memphis Tennessee I tried to check in remotely
AVO

On Mon, Apr 5, 2021, 8:08 AM Steve Hall <99sunset at gmail.com> wrote:

> Happy Easter to all.
> Many thanks to my relay stations.
>
> WM6P STEVE GA K3S NETCONTROL
> K8NU CARL OH FTDX101
> W9EJB ED IN K3
> NC0JW JIM CO KX3
> W5SV DAVE TX K3
> K1NW BRIAN RI K3
> K2VJK VERN NY K3
> KG5EFR JOE FL FT891
> KN4QPA JOE VA FT818 5 Watts
> AB7CE ROY MT K2
> NS7P PHIL OR K3
> AE6JV BILL NH K3
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From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Mon Apr  5 09:46:52 2021
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 08:46:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] No power out of a K line.
In-Reply-To: <34A33BED-68AA-4205-AD34-4F3DCBFCF34D@rikoski.com>
References: <34A33BED-68AA-4205-AD34-4F3DCBFCF34D@rikoski.com>
Message-ID: <09f301d72a22$230bceb0$69236c10$@LNAINC.com>

Rick -

You don't say if the 160 meter operation using the 140' doublet was successful, but surely the KAT500 would handle that.

Maybe this is too easy ... but have you checked to make sure the KAT500 is connecting to the correct antenna, now that you've switched back?

Did you receive any Fault Indications on the KPA500?

I have a similar setup here.

73
Lyn, W0LEN



-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of rikoski
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2021 8:39 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Cc: Richard Rikoski
Subject: [Elecraft] No power out of a K line.

I have an Elecraft K3, KAT 500 and KPA 500.

 

I usually use it at full power with a 260? off-center dipole on 160, 80, 40, and 20m.

 

Last week, I tried it with a 140? doublet on 160 meters to see if the tuner would be able to reduce the swr to enable operation on that band.

 

Since then when trying it on any band with the off center dipole, it shows the K3 putting whatever power it is set to but then immediately drops to zero.

 

Is this a matter of switch settings or did I burn something out?

 

Thanks. Rick W9ZD
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From w5sum at comcast.net  Mon Apr  5 10:47:53 2021
From: w5sum at comcast.net (Ronnie Hull)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 09:47:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] No power out of a K line.
In-Reply-To: <09f301d72a22$230bceb0$69236c10$@LNAINC.com>
References: <34A33BED-68AA-4205-AD34-4F3DCBFCF34D@rikoski.com>
	<09f301d72a22$230bceb0$69236c10$@LNAINC.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.144.1617634096.3569.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Kinda similar weird thing happened to me th is morning.    Was on 80 SSb earlier with no issues. Moved to 20M.. was in a QSO and suddenly NO POWER out of my K3.  When I first put it in TX it will show power then instantly drop to 0

I put my backup K3 inline and its working fine

Guess its off to Elecraft for my faithful dx pileup buster..

Ronnie W5SUM

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Lyn Norstad
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 8:47 AM
To: 'rikoski'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] No power out of a K line.

Rick -

You don't say if the 160 meter operation using the 140' doublet was successful, but surely the KAT500 would handle that.

Maybe this is too easy ... but have you checked to make sure the KAT500 is connecting to the correct antenna, now that you've switched back?

Did you receive any Fault Indications on the KPA500?

I have a similar setup here.

73
Lyn, W0LEN



-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of rikoski
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2021 8:39 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Cc: Richard Rikoski
Subject: [Elecraft] No power out of a K line.

I have an Elecraft K3, KAT 500 and KPA 500.

 

I usually use it at full power with a 260? off-center dipole on 160, 80, 40, and 20m.

 

Last week, I tried it with a 140? doublet on 160 meters to see if the tuner would be able to reduce the swr to enable operation on that band.

 

Since then when trying it on any band with the off center dipole, it shows the K3 putting whatever power it is set to but then immediately drops to zero.

 

Is this a matter of switch settings or did I burn something out?

 

Thanks. Rick W9ZD
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From scott.manthe at gmail.com  Mon Apr  5 23:48:43 2021
From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 23:48:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Elecraft KX3/PX3 and extras (Shack in a bag)
Message-ID: <679a1e29-e82f-69c7-770c-8681056c8afb@gmail.com>

Hi everyone,
I'm selling my loaded Elecraft KX3 and its companion PX3, along with 
some accessories. This is essentially a shack in a bag.
The KX3 S/N 7286 includes:
KXFL3 dual passband filter
KXBC3 internal charger/realtime clock
KXAT3 auto tuner
KXPD3 paddles
MH3 hand mic
KXUSB USB cable
The KX3 is in nice shape. The front panel is flawless, but there are a 
couple of scratches
on the back case and on the bezel/lens.

PX3 S/N 2726 is in great shape, with the original box, but not packaging
Side KX side panels and cover
original Elecraft side panels
power cord
KXUSB cable
The package includes all interconnecting cables for the KX3/PX3.
The Portable Elecraft KX3 by Fred Cady, second edition.
ES80 Carry Case
Nifty stands for both the KX3 and PX3
Pro Audio Engineering KX33 power supply
Everything works great.

I'd like $1750 shipped for everything, or make an offer. Pics are 
available on request.

73,
Scott N9AA


From scott.manthe at gmail.com  Tue Apr  6 10:27:13 2021
From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 10:27:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Elecraft KX3/PX3 and extras (Shack in a bag)
Message-ID: <45dd8901-c765-b299-1cf2-ebd252a7b554@gmail.com>

Hi everyone, I'm not sure this got through last night due to Gmail. 
Sorry if it did and it's a repost!

I'm selling my loaded Elecraft KX3 and its companion PX3, along with 
some accessories. This is essentially a shack in a bag.
The KX3 S/N 7286 includes:
KXFL3 dual passband filter
KXBC3 internal charger/realtime clock
KXAT3 auto tuner
KXPD3 paddles
MH3 hand mic
KXUSB USB cable
The KX3 is in nice shape. The front panel is flawless, but there are a 
couple of scratches
on the back case and on the bezel/lens.

PX3 S/N 2726 is in great shape, with the original box, but not packaging
Side KX side panels and cover
original Elecraft side panels
power cord
KXUSB cable
The package includes all interconnecting cables for the KX3/PX3.
The Portable Elecraft KX3 by Fred Cady, second edition.
ES80 Carry Case
Nifty stands for both the KX3 and PX3
Pro Audio Engineering KX33 power supply
Everything works great.

I'd like $1750 shipped for everything, or make an offer. Pics are 
available on request.

73,
Scott N9AA

From ae6lx at worldwidedx.com  Tue Apr  6 23:45:25 2021
From: ae6lx at worldwidedx.com (Tim Tucker)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 20:45:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone try K4 with JTDX or WSJT-X?
Message-ID: <CALuSmOdAR8Ui57z-w-umbJ2n+MMVMOhX0AZG_bX7TcFP3zfWLw@mail.gmail.com>

Subject asks the question...will it work by selecting the K3S as the rig?
Has anyone who owns one try this yet?


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From pvandyke1953 at gmail.com  Tue Apr  6 23:52:14 2021
From: pvandyke1953 at gmail.com (Paul Van Dyke)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 22:52:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone try K4 with JTDX or WSJT-X?
In-Reply-To: <CALuSmOdAR8Ui57z-w-umbJ2n+MMVMOhX0AZG_bX7TcFP3zfWLw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALuSmOdAR8Ui57z-w-umbJ2n+MMVMOhX0AZG_bX7TcFP3zfWLw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPKcUnpm4AAU7xwzgwFfQ3R_CMNOAn8+TVRyzuyTQWMguyhnA@mail.gmail.com>

Tim
 I did not use JTDX , used WSJT-X many many times using the K3S emulation.
Worked just fine

Paul KB9AVO
K4 #76

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 10:46 PM Tim Tucker <ae6lx at worldwidedx.com> wrote:

> Subject asks the question...will it work by selecting the K3S as the rig?
> Has anyone who owns one try this yet?
>
>
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From david at g4dmp.co.uk  Wed Apr  7 06:43:38 2021
From: david at g4dmp.co.uk (David Pratt)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 11:43:38 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] XV432
Message-ID: <tOU7EMEazYbgFwHs@g4dmp.co.uk>

I am wishing to buy an XV432 transverter for use with my K2.  If anyone
has one which they no longer need, I would be pleased to hear from them.

73 de David G4DMP

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From a.durbin at msn.com  Wed Apr  7 09:01:00 2021
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 13:01:00 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone try K4 with JTDX or WSJT-X?
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB29680CB99903B74A258E9C1C8C759@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

Why would anyone select rig K3S when K4 is an available selection in the current released verion of WSJT-X?  Is there a problem with the K4 rig definition?

Andy, k3wyc

From david at g4dmp.co.uk  Wed Apr  7 06:43:38 2021
From: david at g4dmp.co.uk (David Pratt)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 11:43:38 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] XV432
Message-ID: <tOU7EMEazYbgFwHs@g4dmp.co.uk>

I am wishing to buy an XV432 transverter for use with my K2.  If anyone
has one which they no longer need, I would be pleased to hear from them.

73 de David G4DMP

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From howardsaxion at mac.com  Wed Apr  7 11:35:14 2021
From: howardsaxion at mac.com (Howard Saxion)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 08:35:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB Elecraft XG3 Signal Source
Message-ID: <F2BA43E3-B064-4C91-A161-7F2D051968B3@mac.com>

I want to buy an Elecraft XG3 signal source. If you have one to sell, please contact me describing its condition and asking price including shipping to 97405 (Eugene, OR). 
73
Howard/WX7HS 


From dave at nk7z.net  Wed Apr  7 15:20:48 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 12:20:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted: DCHF-2000 power coupler
Message-ID: <85927b24-34b4-5e33-2f72-bdedc106c416@nk7z.net>

I am looking for used, but working, DCHF-2000 power coupler for the W2 
wattmeter, 0-2000 watts.

If you have one for sale, please write me OFF LIST, with condition, and 
price.  I will pay insured shipping from your CONUS location to my home.

-- 
73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

From pvandyke1953 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  7 15:49:18 2021
From: pvandyke1953 at gmail.com (Paul Van Dyke)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 14:49:18 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone try K4 with JTDX or WSJT-X?
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB29680CB99903B74A258E9C1C8C759@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29680CB99903B74A258E9C1C8C759@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPKcU=v75D95Agc5boxC361zDKwJ_FxMSmMjDGswWBg2E7jCA@mail.gmail.com>

Andy
Yes, but  Before I left on my business trip the K4 designation was not
there yet. But it worked fine with a K3S..
   When I return home in 3 weeks, it will be switched over


Paul KB9AVO
K4 #76

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021, 8:03 AM Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote:

> Why would anyone select rig K3S when K4 is an available selection in the
> current released verion of WSJT-X?  Is there a problem with the K4 rig
> definition?
>
> Andy, k3wyc
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From ae6lx at worldwidedx.com  Wed Apr  7 16:54:49 2021
From: ae6lx at worldwidedx.com (Tim Tucker)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 13:54:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone try K4 with JTDX or WSJT-X?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPKcU=v75D95Agc5boxC361zDKwJ_FxMSmMjDGswWBg2E7jCA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29680CB99903B74A258E9C1C8C759@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPKcU=v75D95Agc5boxC361zDKwJ_FxMSmMjDGswWBg2E7jCA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALuSmOf=bKLNDfSupv8pqaO9jcFStuasn1zAmSjywkU+3Bej5w@mail.gmail.com>

I looked yesterday at JTDX and didn't see K4 in the rig list.  I
am apparently blind, because there it is :)

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 12:49 PM Paul Van Dyke <pvandyke1953 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Andy
> Yes, but  Before I left on my business trip the K4 designation was not
> there yet. But it worked fine with a K3S..
>    When I return home in 3 weeks, it will be switched over
>
>
> Paul KB9AVO
> K4 #76
>
> On Wed, Apr 7, 2021, 8:03 AM Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote:
>
> > Why would anyone select rig K3S when K4 is an available selection in the
> > current released verion of WSJT-X?  Is there a problem with the K4 rig
> > definition?
> >
> > Andy, k3wyc
> > ______________________________________________________________
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> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From smeuse at gmail.com  Wed Apr  7 16:57:45 2021
From: smeuse at gmail.com (Steve Meuse)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 16:57:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: K3EXREF
Message-ID: <CA+3sbiMERSHA_VhTLrezxVwcLVGcWOGF5oU64RfosEdeRekJ+g@mail.gmail.com>

I'm in the process of buying a second K3 (sans external reference) and I
saw the boards were still available on the Elecraft site. Well, order
cancelled, out of stock.

If anyone has one available, I'm interested. Please contact off list,
thanks!

-- 

-Steve
N1JFU

From neilz at techie.com  Wed Apr  7 17:13:55 2021
From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 16:13:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone try K4 with JTDX or WSJT-X?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPKcU=v75D95Agc5boxC361zDKwJ_FxMSmMjDGswWBg2E7jCA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29680CB99903B74A258E9C1C8C759@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPKcU=v75D95Agc5boxC361zDKwJ_FxMSmMjDGswWBg2E7jCA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <71632ed6-1961-9e00-2ca8-5b764bd776c4@techie.com>

Just checked with WSJT-X v2.3.1 (and v2.4.0-RC4 beta), they both have
the latest Hamlib updates, and the K4 is listed.

Neil, KN3ILZ

On 4/7/2021 2:49 PM, Paul Van Dyke wrote:
> Andy
> Yes, but  Before I left on my business trip the K4 designation was not
> there yet. But it worked fine with a K3S..
>     When I return home in 3 weeks, it will be switched over
>
>
> Paul KB9AVO
> K4 #76
>
> On Wed, Apr 7, 2021, 8:03 AM Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote:
>
>> Why would anyone select rig K3S when K4 is an available selection in the
>> current released verion of WSJT-X?  Is there a problem with the K4 rig
>> definition?
>>
>> Andy, k3wyc
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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From pvandyke1953 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  7 17:57:46 2021
From: pvandyke1953 at gmail.com (Paul Van Dyke)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 16:57:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone try K4 with JTDX or WSJT-X?
In-Reply-To: <71632ed6-1961-9e00-2ca8-5b764bd776c4@techie.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29680CB99903B74A258E9C1C8C759@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPKcU=v75D95Agc5boxC361zDKwJ_FxMSmMjDGswWBg2E7jCA@mail.gmail.com>
	<71632ed6-1961-9e00-2ca8-5b764bd776c4@techie.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPKcUnrSBuYTL9M-gvPc9m_d7ddjN0BSwPeiiG=3eF2NsVFEg@mail.gmail.com>

Many of the software developers are now catching up on the K4 for their
software

Paul KB9AVO
K4 #76

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021, 4:13 PM Neil Zampella <neilz at techie.com> wrote:

> Just checked with WSJT-X v2.3.1 (and v2.4.0-RC4 beta), they both have
> the latest Hamlib updates, and the K4 is listed.
>
> Neil, KN3ILZ
>
> On 4/7/2021 2:49 PM, Paul Van Dyke wrote:
> > Andy
> > Yes, but  Before I left on my business trip the K4 designation was not
> > there yet. But it worked fine with a K3S..
> >     When I return home in 3 weeks, it will be switched over
> >
> >
> > Paul KB9AVO
> > K4 #76
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 7, 2021, 8:03 AM Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Why would anyone select rig K3S when K4 is an available selection in the
> >> current released verion of WSJT-X?  Is there a problem with the K4 rig
> >> definition?
> >>
> >> Andy, k3wyc
> >> ______________________________________________________________
> >> Elecraft mailing list
> >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From daveingeb at comcast.net  Wed Apr  7 18:41:44 2021
From: daveingeb at comcast.net (daveingeb at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 16:41:44 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 Increasingly Erratic
Message-ID: <214111060.24553.1617835305383@connect.xfinity.com>

I Have a KAT500/KPA 500 combo that I built as kits two yrs ago. The KPA-500 is a pleasure to operate but the KAT500 has been increasingly erratic to the point where it  no longer tunes 7Mhz, even connected to a cantenna. The other bands are erratic and sometimes it is several tries. Powering down and back up helps sometimes. I'm not sure the "memories" are there. I'm switching between bands multiple times and looking for tuning action on the radio control panel. Some bands tune well sometimes and other times they do not. Possible intermittent. Troubleshooting has caused me to look over my antenna system very carefully, fixing some things and eliminating everything in my (G5RV) antenna system until I was down to a new piece of coax and the cantenna. So what to do? All those little relays, is there anything a guy can do on his own?
Thanks de Dave WB7ELY

From g4gnx at g4gnx.com  Wed Apr  7 19:22:05 2021
From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (Alan - G4GNX)
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2021 23:22:05 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 Increasingly Erratic
In-Reply-To: <214111060.24553.1617835305383@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <214111060.24553.1617835305383@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <emb2db03f4-261b-4341-a950-b41628aed4d1@g4gnx>

Check for dry joints on the wiring to all of the antenna connectors.

73,

Alan. G4GNX


------ Original Message ------
From: daveingeb at comcast.net
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: 07/04/2021 23:41:44
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 Increasingly Erratic

>I Have a KAT500/KPA 500 combo that I built as kits two yrs ago. The KPA-500 is a pleasure to operate but the KAT500 has been increasingly erratic to the point where it  no longer tunes 7Mhz, even connected to a cantenna. The other bands are erratic and sometimes it is several tries. Powering down and back up helps sometimes. I'm not sure the "memories" are there. I'm switching between bands multiple times and looking for tuning action on the radio control panel. Some bands tune well sometimes and other times they do not. Possible intermittent. Troubleshooting has caused me to look over my antenna system very carefully, fixing some things and eliminating everything in my (G5RV) antenna system until I was down to a new piece of coax and the cantenna. So what to do? All those little relays, is there anything a guy can do on his own?
>Thanks de Dave WB7ELY

>


From kk1w.jim at gmail.com  Thu Apr  8 07:39:59 2021
From: kk1w.jim at gmail.com (KK1W)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 04:39:59 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB Elecraft XG3 Signal Source
In-Reply-To: <F2BA43E3-B064-4C91-A161-7F2D051968B3@mac.com>
References: <F2BA43E3-B064-4C91-A161-7F2D051968B3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1617881999920-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Howard,

I have an XG-3. In like new condition, used maybe twice. Original box and
all accessories. I would take $250 plus USPS Priority shipping.

73...

Jim/KK1W



Elecraft mailing list wrote
> I want to buy an Elecraft XG3 signal source. If you have one to sell,
> please contact me describing its condition and asking price including
> shipping to 97405 (Eugene, OR). 
> 73
> Howard/WX7HS 
> 
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From a.durbin at msn.com  Thu Apr  8 08:29:38 2021
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 12:29:38 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 Increasingly Erratic
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB2968BE9DA7361578399F294C8C749@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"The KPA-500 is a pleasure to operate but the KAT500 has been increasingly erratic to the point where it  no longer tunes 7Mhz, even connected to a cantenna. The other bands are erratic and sometimes it is several tries."

I assume you are saying that a manually initiated autotune attempt  fails.  If so, what power are you using for your tune attempts?   Does autotune become more reliable if you increase power?

If your problem is not with autotune perhaps you could provide more detail.

FYI - this problem report was submitted to Elecraft some time ago:

Report KAT04 (partial)

"
Description of issue:

Fault Code 01 (No match) is set immediately when KAT500 manual tune is attempted with  5 W or less.

With a very good match tune will fail even when 15 W is used.

Faulting as "No match" is an inappropriate response for a tune failure with a perfect match.  Should there be a different response such as "increase power" when tune power gives no reflected power reading?"

73,
Andy, k3wyc







From a.durbin at msn.com  Thu Apr  8 17:26:31 2021
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 21:26:31 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 failure
Message-ID: <DM6PR16MB2970E75FCFFBF6ACA6E76E2B8C749@DM6PR16MB2970.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

My KAT500 has stopped communicating with my controller and does not power up normally.  With PC data cable removed, when I pull and replace the power plug the KAT500 powers up with a relay clunk and with MAN and ANT 1 LED lit. All front panel buttons are unresponsive.  The same thing happened a few weeks ago but it recovered after disconnecting and re-connecting power.

If I leave it disconnected for a while sometimes the KAT500 will power up and allow the mode to be changed once or twice then it locks up again.  I was once able to connect to the Utility but normally Utility does not see the KAT500.  Most of the time KAT500 powers up showing MAN and ANT-1 and is completely unresponsive.

I took a break from composing this email and powered it again.  This time I was able to cycle the mode and antenna several times before it locked up showing MAN and ANT-3.

AZ is warming up and room temperature is nearly 29 deg C.  I'm suspecting the KAT500 has a thermal problem.  Does anyone recognize these symptoms and know a probable cause?

Thanks and 73,
Andy, k3wyc



From a.durbin at msn.com  Thu Apr  8 18:35:28 2021
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 22:35:28 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 failure
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR16MB2970E75FCFFBF6ACA6E76E2B8C749@DM6PR16MB2970.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR16MB2970E75FCFFBF6ACA6E76E2B8C749@DM6PR16MB2970.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB29682DA703A06908CCE42E9A8C749@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"I'm suspecting the KAT500 has a thermal problem.  Does anyone recognize these symptoms and know a probable cause?"

I put it in the fridge for 30 minutes and now it powers up normally, connects to KAT Utility and responds to utility commands.  It's clear it's a thermal problem but which component?

Wish I still had a can of freezer spray.

Andy, k3wyc




From jh3sif at sumaq.jp  Thu Apr  8 18:40:34 2021
From: jh3sif at sumaq.jp (Keith Onishi)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 07:40:34 +0900
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 failure
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB29682DA703A06908CCE42E9A8C749@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR16MB2970E75FCFFBF6ACA6E76E2B8C749@DM6PR16MB2970.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB29682DA703A06908CCE42E9A8C749@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <0538DEF4-1D33-474A-B428-AD0064D78F7E@sumaq.jp>

I guess that the 10uF electric capacitor connected to LM7805 output is a possible cause.

73 de JH3SIF, Keith

> 2021/04/09 7:35?Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com>????:
> 
> "I'm suspecting the KAT500 has a thermal problem.  Does anyone recognize these symptoms and know a probable cause?"
> 
> I put it in the fridge for 30 minutes and now it powers up normally, connects to KAT Utility and responds to utility commands.  It's clear it's a thermal problem but which component?
> 
> Wish I still had a can of freezer spray.
> 
> Andy, k3wyc
> 
> 
> 
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From a.durbin at msn.com  Thu Apr  8 19:08:51 2021
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 23:08:51 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 failure
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB29682DA703A06908CCE42E9A8C749@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR16MB2970E75FCFFBF6ACA6E76E2B8C749@DM6PR16MB2970.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>,
	<BYAPR16MB29682DA703A06908CCE42E9A8C749@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB296819022F4CAB627F19359F8C749@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"I guess that the 10uF electric capacitor connected to LM7805 output is a possible cause."

All the front panel LED seem to be on that same 5V rail and they stay normal brightness in the fault condition.   I suspect something, other than low voltage is killing the MCU.

It's still working over 30 minutes after the fridge cold soak.

73,
Andy, k3wyc

From elanzl at sbcglobal.net  Thu Apr  8 19:21:41 2021
From: elanzl at sbcglobal.net (Eric Lanzl)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 23:21:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] 75 m. SSB Net from Sunday 4-4-2021
References: <196739069.11504.1617924101938.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <196739069.11504.1617924101938@mail.yahoo.com>

While Paul KB9AVO is out of town, I? WB9JNZ took the 75M net. Here are the stations checking in to the net
WB9JNZ??? Eric???????? IL????????? K3????? substitute net controlK8NU??????? Carl???????? OH??????? Yaesu FT 101DXAE6JV????? Bill?????????? NH??????? K3WM6P????? Steve?????? GA??????? K3SNC0JW???? Jim????????? CO??????? KX3WM0L????? Lance?????? NB??????? K3
The group was small probably due to the Easter Holiday. We had some nice discussions. We will try for 3.817 but may have to move if it is occupied.
Eric WB9JNZ

From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Thu Apr  8 22:26:59 2021
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 05:26:59 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 failure
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB29682DA703A06908CCE42E9A8C749@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR16MB2970E75FCFFBF6ACA6E76E2B8C749@DM6PR16MB2970.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB29682DA703A06908CCE42E9A8C749@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <724bbeb7-3256-ad8c-ae71-4a9a78062af2@gmail.com>


From a.durbin at msn.com  Thu Apr  8 23:01:40 2021
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 03:01:40 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 failure
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB296819022F4CAB627F19359F8C749@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR16MB2970E75FCFFBF6ACA6E76E2B8C749@DM6PR16MB2970.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>,
	<BYAPR16MB29682DA703A06908CCE42E9A8C749@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>,
	<BYAPR16MB296819022F4CAB627F19359F8C749@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB2968FCF99B97FDDA5B5EAEC98C739@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"It's still working over 30 minutes after the fridge cold soak."

I was tricked by confirmation bias.  The cold soak was not what fixed the problem.

My controller sent a valid command that the KAT500 firmware took exception to.  I'll withhold the details but other KAT500 users will not experience this problem.

73,
Andy, k3wyc







From julia at juliatuttle.net  Thu Apr  8 23:18:30 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 23:18:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 failure
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB2968FCF99B97FDDA5B5EAEC98C739@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR16MB2970E75FCFFBF6ACA6E76E2B8C749@DM6PR16MB2970.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB29682DA703A06908CCE42E9A8C749@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB296819022F4CAB627F19359F8C749@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB2968FCF99B97FDDA5B5EAEC98C739@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrNCgN4wK==WjGr=T56=S0Rp_edfJ4yi+GWEnJY83JT52g@mail.gmail.com>

Would you be willing to share it? I'm morbidly curious at this point.

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021, 23:02 Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote:

> "It's still working over 30 minutes after the fridge cold soak."
>
> I was tricked by confirmation bias.  The cold soak was not what fixed the
> problem.
>
> My controller sent a valid command that the KAT500 firmware took exception
> to.  I'll withhold the details but other KAT500 users will not experience
> this problem.
>
> 73,
> Andy, k3wyc
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From kk1w.jim at gmail.com  Fri Apr  9 07:52:00 2021
From: kk1w.jim at gmail.com (KK1W)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 04:52:00 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 failure
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB2968FCF99B97FDDA5B5EAEC98C739@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR16MB2970E75FCFFBF6ACA6E76E2B8C749@DM6PR16MB2970.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB29682DA703A06908CCE42E9A8C749@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB296819022F4CAB627F19359F8C749@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB2968FCF99B97FDDA5B5EAEC98C739@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1617969120793-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

ANDY DURBIN wrote
> "It's still working over 30 minutes after the fridge cold soak."
> 
> I was tricked by confirmation bias.  The cold soak was not what fixed the
> problem.
> 
> My controller sent a valid command that the KAT500 firmware took exception
> to.  I'll withhold the details but other KAT500 users will not experience
> this problem.
> 
> 73,
> Andy, k3wyc
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> lists+1215531472858-365791 at .nabble


Please share if possible. I'm having similar problems with my KAT500. Locks
up for no discernable reason, can't power down. Removing power for just a
few seconds and it's back to normal until the next random lockup.

In my case I'm feeding frequency info to the KAT500 from a RemoteQTH Band
decoder II. I'm running  KAT500/KPA500 combo with an IC7610.

Lockups seem to be totally random but the behavior just started recently,
the setup has been in place for over a year

Thanks,
Jim/KK1W.




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From a.durbin at msn.com  Fri Apr  9 09:12:42 2021
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 13:12:42 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 failure
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB2968FCF99B97FDDA5B5EAEC98C739@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR16MB2970E75FCFFBF6ACA6E76E2B8C749@DM6PR16MB2970.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>,
	<BYAPR16MB29682DA703A06908CCE42E9A8C749@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>,
	<BYAPR16MB296819022F4CAB627F19359F8C749@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>,
	<BYAPR16MB2968FCF99B97FDDA5B5EAEC98C739@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB29689EFD1E06168A73E0523B8C739@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"My controller sent a valid command that the KAT500 firmware took exception to.  I'll withhold the details but other KAT500 users will not experience this problem."

Several have asked for more detail.  All I can share is that the command that repeatably caused my KAT500 to lockup does not cause a lockup when KAT firmware version 1.75 (current released version) is in use.

If others are experiencing problems with their KAT500 I'd suggest providing as much detail as possible to Elecraft.  I log every command I sent to my KAT500 so, once I had dismissed thermal failure, it was not difficult to isolate the lockup to a single command and to reproduce the lockup by sending that command with the KAT utility.

Full details have been shared with KAT500 firmware developer.

73,
Andy, k3wyc



From keithorchard1 at talktalk.net  Fri Apr  9 09:33:53 2021
From: keithorchard1 at talktalk.net (Keith Orchard)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 14:33:53 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft]  CAT on K3
Message-ID: <AD1D005C-F700-43F0-B0C6-40D23534B377@talktalk.net>

I use Logger32 for logging and it has occurred to me I could connect my K3 to my laptop to get automatic band-logging. 
I run a K3, KPA500 & P3. Can I use the RS232 connector on the K3 to connect to my laptop? Currently I use that connector to connect to the P3.
Help would be appreciated.
Keith G3TTC 

Sent from my iPhone

From julia at juliatuttle.net  Fri Apr  9 10:16:43 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 10:16:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 failure
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB29689EFD1E06168A73E0523B8C739@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR16MB2970E75FCFFBF6ACA6E76E2B8C749@DM6PR16MB2970.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB29682DA703A06908CCE42E9A8C749@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB296819022F4CAB627F19359F8C749@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB2968FCF99B97FDDA5B5EAEC98C739@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB29689EFD1E06168A73E0523B8C739@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrP0=Qd_qeMk-eqXhQ=Bbj2Sxi0MVQO-BK35BDRE3rYDAg@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a reason to keep this a secret?

On Fri, Apr 9, 2021, 09:13 Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote:

> "My controller sent a valid command that the KAT500 firmware took
> exception to.  I'll withhold the details but other KAT500 users will not
> experience this problem."
>
> Several have asked for more detail.  All I can share is that the command
> that repeatably caused my KAT500 to lockup does not cause a lockup when KAT
> firmware version 1.75 (current released version) is in use.
>
> If others are experiencing problems with their KAT500 I'd suggest
> providing as much detail as possible to Elecraft.  I log every command I
> sent to my KAT500 so, once I had dismissed thermal failure, it was not
> difficult to isolate the lockup to a single command and to reproduce the
> lockup by sending that command with the KAT utility.
>
> Full details have been shared with KAT500 firmware developer.
>
> 73,
> Andy, k3wyc
>
>
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From w4sc at windstream.net  Fri Apr  9 11:09:25 2021
From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 11:09:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 failure
Message-ID: <3C.4C.22647.52E60706@smtp03.aqua.bos.sync.lan>

Andy reported.

?Several have asked for more detail.  All I can share is that the command that 
repeatably caused my KAT500 to lockup does not cause a lockup when KAT firmware 
version 1.75 (current released version) is in use.?

The possible paths to take are  obvious:

1) UPDATE your firmware if older than rev 1.75.
2) If you have 1.75 installed AND experiencing a ?lockup?, report the particulars to Elecraft support. Include complete and accurate detail.  

Read the firmware release notes for changes made that may have a bearing on your issue.

73 de Ben W4SC


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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Apr  9 11:49:35 2021
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 11:49:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Testing
Message-ID: <0b1a3d38-d1b8-0785-285e-5c984543c997@embarqmail.com>

Just testing - I have not seen many posts over the last month

73,
Don W3FPR

From sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com  Fri Apr  9 12:02:49 2021
From: sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com (stephen shearer)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 12:02:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Testing
In-Reply-To: <0b1a3d38-d1b8-0785-285e-5c984543c997@embarqmail.com>
References: <0b1a3d38-d1b8-0785-285e-5c984543c997@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <98525fe7-1fb2-7465-cbf9-e0bad73a5029@gmail.com>

Don, (good keyboard copy) 599 here...? has many of the mails gone to 
elecraft-K4 and elecraft-KX3? ???? I personally "killed" my -K4 account, 
too much junk guessing when their K4 will be delivered...? and did 
"someone" really say "by the end of May?"

73, steve WB3LGC

On 4/9/21 11:49 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Just testing - I have not seen many posts over the last month
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
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From k2vjk at k2vjk.com  Fri Apr  9 12:38:28 2021
From: k2vjk at k2vjk.com (k2vjk)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 12:38:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Repair Service
Message-ID: <mailman.150.1617986328.3569.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Is Elecraft having a problem with its repair service? My radio was accepted on February 2, 2021, and I was quoted a 20 working day turn around. It is now April 9, 2021, and they will not answer emails, or telephone calls. My stress level has gone from disappointed to disgusted. I am starting to worry if I will ever see my K3S again! Can anyone suggest a course of action?

Sent from Mail for Windows 10



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From w4sc at windstream.net  Fri Apr  9 14:07:57 2021
From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 14:07:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  Repair Service
Message-ID: <D2.EB.19670.DF790706@smtp01.aqua.bos.sync.lan>

My update/repair took 4 months (June-October) end of last year,  All of which I could done myself except for lack of alignment procedures, parts, proper rework, and test equipment.
Ben W4SC

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From dean.k2ww at gmail.com  Fri Apr  9 15:43:09 2021
From: dean.k2ww at gmail.com (Dean L)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 15:43:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Repair Service
In-Reply-To: <20210409163957.7DD15149AE5B@mail.qsl.net>
References: <20210409163957.7DD15149AE5B@mail.qsl.net>
Message-ID: <CAHh=7i=Zxjmgb_F51NH4eOussTA7Wfu6Jau_+RT-PPCLb1u8yA@mail.gmail.com>

K2vjk
If you want to drive up to the Adirondacks, I'll loan you a radio.
73
Dean K2WW

On Fri, Apr 9, 2021, 12:39 k2vjk <k2vjk at k2vjk.com> wrote:

> Is Elecraft having a problem with its repair service? My radio was
> accepted on February 2, 2021, and I was quoted a 20 working day turn
> around. It is now April 9, 2021, and they will not answer emails, or
> telephone calls. My stress level has gone from disappointed to disgusted. I
> am starting to worry if I will ever see my K3S again! Can anyone suggest a
> course of action?
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
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From w7fcl at westseattlearc.org  Fri Apr  9 15:56:35 2021
From: w7fcl at westseattlearc.org (Eric Linxweiler [W7FCL])
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 12:56:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Repair Service
In-Reply-To: <20210409163903.881A5149AE56@mail.qsl.net>
References: <20210409163903.881A5149AE56@mail.qsl.net>
Message-ID: <CAGruo+3h5mSwfTHUAh128QYcA8wBTSOiUOZftCOCJz2ttwxZvA@mail.gmail.com>

I'd suggest this isn't an Elecraft problem alone.  CA is in the middle of
COVID in a bad way.  I sent a mobile rig to Yaesu in Los Angeles, and it
took four months to get it back.  I couldn't get a single status update via
email or calls, and didn't know if the radio was going to be repaired or
not - until UPS delivered it to my house.  Evidently all incoming shipments
are quarantined for a period of time, then also most of the normal in
office staff are working remote.



On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 9:39 AM k2vjk <k2vjk at k2vjk.com> wrote:

> Is Elecraft having a problem with its repair service? My radio was
> accepted on February 2, 2021, and I was quoted a 20 working day turn
> around. It is now April 9, 2021, and they will not answer emails, or
> telephone calls. My stress level has gone from disappointed to disgusted. I
> am starting to worry if I will ever see my K3S again! Can anyone suggest a
> course of action?
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
>
>
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From julia at juliatuttle.net  Fri Apr  9 16:01:15 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 16:01:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Repair Service
In-Reply-To: <CAGruo+3h5mSwfTHUAh128QYcA8wBTSOiUOZftCOCJz2ttwxZvA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20210409163903.881A5149AE56@mail.qsl.net>
	<CAGruo+3h5mSwfTHUAh128QYcA8wBTSOiUOZftCOCJz2ttwxZvA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrMH2ffDT0TL97DhnxnqfhYvPneidLCwj-mZX96GQfmW1g@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you for sharing that -- it's actually really useful context for the
industry as a whole.

I am so looking forward to things getting better.

On Fri, Apr 9, 2021, 15:58 Eric Linxweiler [W7FCL] <w7fcl at westseattlearc.org>
wrote:

> I'd suggest this isn't an Elecraft problem alone.  CA is in the middle of
> COVID in a bad way.  I sent a mobile rig to Yaesu in Los Angeles, and it
> took four months to get it back.  I couldn't get a single status update via
> email or calls, and didn't know if the radio was going to be repaired or
> not - until UPS delivered it to my house.  Evidently all incoming shipments
> are quarantined for a period of time, then also most of the normal in
> office staff are working remote.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 9:39 AM k2vjk <k2vjk at k2vjk.com> wrote:
>
> > Is Elecraft having a problem with its repair service? My radio was
> > accepted on February 2, 2021, and I was quoted a 20 working day turn
> > around. It is now April 9, 2021, and they will not answer emails, or
> > telephone calls. My stress level has gone from disappointed to
> disgusted. I
> > am starting to worry if I will ever see my K3S again! Can anyone suggest
> a
> > course of action?
> >
> > Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> >
> >
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From rick at tavan.com  Fri Apr  9 16:01:45 2021
From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 13:01:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] CAT on K3
In-Reply-To: <AD1D005C-F700-43F0-B0C6-40D23534B377@talktalk.net>
References: <AD1D005C-F700-43F0-B0C6-40D23534B377@talktalk.net>
Message-ID: <CANVONAJHGV5bNUZcT2QBxwi2m+i8ZMthXcy6ddOhP0XXo6oCwQ@mail.gmail.com>

Sure, Keith. Connect the K3 RS232 port to the P3 and the P3 to your
computer.

73,

/Rick N6XI

On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 6:34 AM Keith Orchard via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> I use Logger32 for logging and it has occurred to me I could connect my K3
> to my laptop to get automatic band-logging.
> I run a K3, KPA500 & P3. Can I use the RS232 connector on the K3 to
> connect to my laptop? Currently I use that connector to connect to the P3.
> Help would be appreciated.
> Keith G3TTC
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From w4sc at windstream.net  Fri Apr  9 17:49:22 2021
From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 17:49:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  K3 Diversity Question: RIT
Message-ID: <97.FC.22647.2EBC0706@smtp03.aqua.bos.sync.lan>

Tom,

I saw your post in Feb.  Did you resolve your issue?

De Ben W4SC

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From dave at nk7z.net  Fri Apr  9 19:45:09 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 16:45:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Repair Service
In-Reply-To: <CAEVEBrMH2ffDT0TL97DhnxnqfhYvPneidLCwj-mZX96GQfmW1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20210409163903.881A5149AE56@mail.qsl.net>
	<CAGruo+3h5mSwfTHUAh128QYcA8wBTSOiUOZftCOCJz2ttwxZvA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEVEBrMH2ffDT0TL97DhnxnqfhYvPneidLCwj-mZX96GQfmW1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c48e657f-7960-7627-4904-91e35f413787@nk7z.net>

Here is another data point on this issue:

https://www.thestreet.com/investing/chip-prices-spiking-high-demand-and-supply-chain-disruptions


73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 4/9/21 1:01 PM, Julia Tuttle wrote:
> Thank you for sharing that -- it's actually really useful context for the
> industry as a whole.
> 
> I am so looking forward to things getting better.
> 
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2021, 15:58 Eric Linxweiler [W7FCL] <w7fcl at westseattlearc.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> I'd suggest this isn't an Elecraft problem alone.  CA is in the middle of
>> COVID in a bad way.  I sent a mobile rig to Yaesu in Los Angeles, and it
>> took four months to get it back.  I couldn't get a single status update via
>> email or calls, and didn't know if the radio was going to be repaired or
>> not - until UPS delivered it to my house.  Evidently all incoming shipments
>> are quarantined for a period of time, then also most of the normal in
>> office staff are working remote.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 9:39 AM k2vjk <k2vjk at k2vjk.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is Elecraft having a problem with its repair service? My radio was
>>> accepted on February 2, 2021, and I was quoted a 20 working day turn
>>> around. It is now April 9, 2021, and they will not answer emails, or
>>> telephone calls. My stress level has gone from disappointed to
>> disgusted. I
>>> am starting to worry if I will ever see my K3S again! Can anyone suggest
>> a
>>> course of action?
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From don_roberts2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 10 00:27:41 2021
From: don_roberts2000 at yahoo.com (Don Roberts)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 04:27:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Repair Service
In-Reply-To: <c48e657f-7960-7627-4904-91e35f413787@nk7z.net>
References: <20210409163903.881A5149AE56@mail.qsl.net>
	<CAGruo+3h5mSwfTHUAh128QYcA8wBTSOiUOZftCOCJz2ttwxZvA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEVEBrMH2ffDT0TL97DhnxnqfhYvPneidLCwj-mZX96GQfmW1g@mail.gmail.com>
	<c48e657f-7960-7627-4904-91e35f413787@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <855261151.333665.1618028861505@mail.yahoo.com>

It's part of the blessings and curses of doing business in California

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 7:46 PM, Dave Cole<dave at nk7z.net> wrote:   Here is another data point on this issue:

https://www.thestreet.com/investing/chip-prices-spiking-high-demand-and-supply-chain-disruptions


73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 4/9/21 1:01 PM, Julia Tuttle wrote:
> Thank you for sharing that -- it's actually really useful context for the
> industry as a whole.
> 
> I am so looking forward to things getting better.
> 
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2021, 15:58 Eric Linxweiler [W7FCL] <w7fcl at westseattlearc.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> I'd suggest this isn't an Elecraft problem alone.? CA is in the middle of
>> COVID in a bad way.? I sent a mobile rig to Yaesu in Los Angeles, and it
>> took four months to get it back.? I couldn't get a single status update via
>> email or calls, and didn't know if the radio was going to be repaired or
>> not - until UPS delivered it to my house.? Evidently all incoming shipments
>> are quarantined for a period of time, then also most of the normal in
>> office staff are working remote.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 9:39 AM k2vjk <k2vjk at k2vjk.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is Elecraft having a problem with its repair service? My radio was
>>> accepted on February 2, 2021, and I was quoted a 20 working day turn
>>> around. It is now April 9, 2021, and they will not answer emails, or
>>> telephone calls. My stress level has gone from disappointed to
>> disgusted. I
>>> am starting to worry if I will ever see my K3S again! Can anyone suggest
>> a
>>> course of action?
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
>>> https://www.avg.com
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From kk1w.jim at gmail.com  Sat Apr 10 08:36:48 2021
From: kk1w.jim at gmail.com (KK1W)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 05:36:48 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 failure
In-Reply-To: <3C.4C.22647.52E60706@smtp03.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
References: <DM6PR16MB2970E75FCFFBF6ACA6E76E2B8C749@DM6PR16MB2970.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<3C.4C.22647.52E60706@smtp03.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
Message-ID: <1618058208060-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

I've been at V1.75 firmware for quite some time but random lockups of the
KAT500 started recently.

It might be helpful knowing what command caused the problem.

Jim/KK1W


w4sc-2 wrote
> Andy reported.
> 
> ?Several have asked for more detail.  All I can share is that the command
> that 
> repeatably caused my KAT500 to lockup does not cause a lockup when KAT
> firmware 
> version 1.75 (current released version) is in use.?
> 
> The possible paths to take are  obvious:
> 
> 1) UPDATE your firmware if older than rev 1.75.
> 2) If you have 1.75 installed AND experiencing a ?lockup?, report the
> particulars to Elecraft support. Include complete and accurate detail.  
> 
> Read the firmware release notes for changes made that may have a bearing
> on your issue.
> 
> 73 de Ben W4SC
> 
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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From pnlebrun at gmail.com  Sat Apr 10 09:03:55 2021
From: pnlebrun at gmail.com (Phil Le-Brun)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 06:03:55 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 LCD and Backlight assembly problems
In-Reply-To: <CAO6iX8bONETheT7OQ5rS2x+cD+B1nvtSrPNkRP9hS6m0AAsqLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO6iX8bONETheT7OQ5rS2x+cD+B1nvtSrPNkRP9hS6m0AAsqLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1618059835193-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Bruce, I am having the same issue. The LEDs are flush to the board, the
plastic overlay installed but then the LCD sits to high to get the pins
through

Phil, G0HHN



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From Mike.Carter at unh.edu  Sat Apr 10 09:25:36 2021
From: Mike.Carter at unh.edu (Mike K8CN)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 06:25:36 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Testing
In-Reply-To: <0b1a3d38-d1b8-0785-285e-5c984543c997@embarqmail.com>
References: <0b1a3d38-d1b8-0785-285e-5c984543c997@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <1618061136314-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Don,

I've observed that the rate of new posts has gone down (no scientific
estimate, just a gut sense based on daily checks of the forum).  I have no
speculation as to why.

73,
Mike, K8CN



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From bruce.forsberg at gmail.com  Sat Apr 10 17:40:19 2021
From: bruce.forsberg at gmail.com (Bruce Forsberg)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 14:40:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 LCD and Backlight assembly problems
In-Reply-To: <1618059835193-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <CAO6iX8bONETheT7OQ5rS2x+cD+B1nvtSrPNkRP9hS6m0AAsqLQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1618059835193-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAO6iX8Y51KnQ+O4r1EJh3OV6aQsMH6ms_OY_QqmNDuCLJgna=w@mail.gmail.com>

I resoldered the LED backlight devices by applying a small amount of
pressure and resoldering each pin to make sure they were flush. This made
the pins of the LCD flush with the PCB holes. I soldered it this way and it
has worked. The LCD is working fine for my K2.

Bruce, WB6IZG

On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 6:05 AM Phil Le-Brun <pnlebrun at gmail.com> wrote:

> Bruce, I am having the same issue. The LEDs are flush to the board, the
> plastic overlay installed but then the LCD sits to high to get the pins
> through
>
> Phil, G0HHN
>
>
>
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From kees.leenders at ziggo.nl  Sat Apr 10 11:30:40 2021
From: kees.leenders at ziggo.nl (Kees)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 08:30:40 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] EXTREF board K3S to buy.
Message-ID: <1618068640629-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Dear Ham's

For my K3s I like to buy a EXTREF board. It is a retired product according
to the Eleccraft store.
Is there someone who like to sell this board? 
Or is there an other solution.

'73

Kees  PEKL



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From lashap at cox.net  Sat Apr 10 11:44:45 2021
From: lashap at cox.net (Larry Shapiro)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 08:44:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with N connectors ?
In-Reply-To: <CANVONAJHGV5bNUZcT2QBxwi2m+i8ZMthXcy6ddOhP0XXo6oCwQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AD1D005C-F700-43F0-B0C6-40D23534B377@talktalk.net>
	<CANVONAJHGV5bNUZcT2QBxwi2m+i8ZMthXcy6ddOhP0XXo6oCwQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <13785461DA26431A9A6B7E2563F0D3E5@LarryPC>


Good morning all.

Quick question.
I recently bought a nice K3 ser # 89xx ,and it came with 2 N connectors on 
the back instead of the usual UHF SO-239.
The seller said it came from the factory that way.
Is this common ?
I have never seen this before.
Thank you,
Larry k6ro


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Apr 10 12:59:58 2021
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 12:59:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with N connectors ?
In-Reply-To: <13785461DA26431A9A6B7E2563F0D3E5@LarryPC>
References: <AD1D005C-F700-43F0-B0C6-40D23534B377@talktalk.net>
	<CANVONAJHGV5bNUZcT2QBxwi2m+i8ZMthXcy6ddOhP0XXo6oCwQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<13785461DA26431A9A6B7E2563F0D3E5@LarryPC>
Message-ID: <8ec5dfaa-ab1c-0637-2929-e3be091b11b2@embarqmail.com>

Larry,

One local ham had me change the UHF SO239 connectors to N connectors 
because he does not trust the UHF connectors.
I know he recently sold it, maybe it is the same one.
It is easy to change them back to UHF type, but it definitely did not 
come from the factory that way.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/10/2021 11:44 AM, Larry Shapiro wrote:
> 
> Good morning all.
> 
> Quick question.
> I recently bought a nice K3 ser # 89xx ,and it came with 2 N connectors 
> on the back instead of the usual UHF SO-239.
> The seller said it came from the factory that way.

From jimk0xu at gmail.com  Sat Apr 10 13:13:23 2021
From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 11:13:23 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with N connectors ?
In-Reply-To: <8ec5dfaa-ab1c-0637-2929-e3be091b11b2@embarqmail.com>
References: <AD1D005C-F700-43F0-B0C6-40D23534B377@talktalk.net>
	<CANVONAJHGV5bNUZcT2QBxwi2m+i8ZMthXcy6ddOhP0XXo6oCwQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<13785461DA26431A9A6B7E2563F0D3E5@LarryPC>
	<8ec5dfaa-ab1c-0637-2929-e3be091b11b2@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4ZP4B0zPrMKhooftRArvfgKwaYD0Mc9wfVusan1E8tZJQ@mail.gmail.com>

My K3 Has all BNC connectors on the back. My preference as it travels some
for Field Day, special events, etc. Makes it quicker and easier to set up
and take down.

On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 11:00 AM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Larry,
>
> One local ham had me change the UHF SO239 connectors to N connectors
> because he does not trust the UHF connectors.
> I know he recently sold it, maybe it is the same one.
> It is easy to change them back to UHF type, but it definitely did not
> come from the factory that way.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 4/10/2021 11:44 AM, Larry Shapiro wrote:
> >
> > Good morning all.
> >
> > Quick question.
> > I recently bought a nice K3 ser # 89xx ,and it came with 2 N connectors
> > on the back instead of the usual UHF SO-239.
> > The seller said it came from the factory that way.
> ______________________________________________________________
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From marklgoldberg at gmail.com  Sat Apr 10 13:45:56 2021
From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 10:45:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with N connectors ?
In-Reply-To: <13785461DA26431A9A6B7E2563F0D3E5@LarryPC>
References: <AD1D005C-F700-43F0-B0C6-40D23534B377@talktalk.net>
	<CANVONAJHGV5bNUZcT2QBxwi2m+i8ZMthXcy6ddOhP0XXo6oCwQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<13785461DA26431A9A6B7E2563F0D3E5@LarryPC>
Message-ID: <CAKn+a3vosc2__6LSiZqDSejGouu=PJeUqorQqhuyvJq45cv8sw@mail.gmail.com>

Not to start a flame war about N vs UHF connectors, I prefer N and
built my KPA500 and Hardrock 50 amps with them. My KX3 remains BNC,
and any cable I have that is disconnected often is a BNC, sometimes
with a BNC male to N female adapter, which are really common. No one
but Hams still use PL259/SO239 connectors. The flange type four screw
panel mount connectors are interchangeable. Change them back if you
really want to. I now have really good interconnects with N connectors
on my radios, switches and amplifiers. Since Hams don't like them, you
can find really cheap, really good cables with N connectors at
Hamfests, whenever they come back again. By good, I mean double
shielded or heliax cable. It makes a big difference in terms of RF
leakage compared to the 75% braid crap if you have multiple radios. I
also make my own cables with real Amphenol (and other good brand)
connectors.

I've found surplus heliax cables from Cell Tower installs and test
setups made of the really expensive Gore Teflon cable for pennies on
the dollar. Real Amphenol silver plated connectors and adapters are
common, also very reasonable.

73,

Mark
W7MLG

On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 8:45 AM Larry Shapiro <lashap at cox.net> wrote:
>
>
> Good morning all.
>
> Quick question.
> I recently bought a nice K3 ser # 89xx ,and it came with 2 N connectors on
> the back instead of the usual UHF SO-239.
> The seller said it came from the factory that way.
> Is this common ?
> I have never seen this before.
> Thank you,
> Larry k6ro
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From radioham at mchsi.com  Sat Apr 10 13:53:03 2021
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 12:53:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Testing
In-Reply-To: <1618061136314-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <0b1a3d38-d1b8-0785-285e-5c984543c997@embarqmail.com>
	<1618061136314-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <D9410F8B-CC5E-47CF-AAAE-15DDF3DFEE50@mchsi.com>

Could it be that many of the posts that would have been on this reflector are now being posted on a couple of K4 lists that I understand exist?

David K0LUM

> On Apr 10, 2021, at 8:25 AM, Mike K8CN <Mike.Carter at unh.edu> wrote:
> 
> Don,
> 
> I've observed that the rate of new posts has gone down (no scientific
> estimate, just a gut sense based on daily checks of the forum).  I have no
> speculation as to why.
> 
> 73,
> Mike, K8CN
> 


From lashap at cox.net  Sat Apr 10 14:02:29 2021
From: lashap at cox.net (Larry Shapiro)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 11:02:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with N connectors ?
In-Reply-To: <CAKn+a3vosc2__6LSiZqDSejGouu=PJeUqorQqhuyvJq45cv8sw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AD1D005C-F700-43F0-B0C6-40D23534B377@talktalk.net><CANVONAJHGV5bNUZcT2QBxwi2m+i8ZMthXcy6ddOhP0XXo6oCwQ@mail.gmail.com><13785461DA26431A9A6B7E2563F0D3E5@LarryPC>
	<CAKn+a3vosc2__6LSiZqDSejGouu=PJeUqorQqhuyvJq45cv8sw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8C3F3287DC3448D5809C627FBCB3748E@LarryPC>

Thanks guys for all the great info..appreciate it,
Larry k6ro


-----Original Message----- 
From: Mark Goldberg
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2021 10:45 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 with N connectors ?

Not to start a flame war about N vs UHF connectors, I prefer N and
built my KPA500 and Hardrock 50 amps with them. My KX3 remains BNC,
and any cable I have that is disconnected often is a BNC, sometimes
with a BNC male to N female adapter, which are really common. No one
but Hams still use PL259/SO239 connectors. The flange type four screw
panel mount connectors are interchangeable. Change them back if you
really want to. I now have really good interconnects with N connectors
on my radios, switches and amplifiers. Since Hams don't like them, you
can find really cheap, really good cables with N connectors at
Hamfests, whenever they come back again. By good, I mean double
shielded or heliax cable. It makes a big difference in terms of RF
leakage compared to the 75% braid crap if you have multiple radios. I
also make my own cables with real Amphenol (and other good brand)
connectors.

I've found surplus heliax cables from Cell Tower installs and test
setups made of the really expensive Gore Teflon cable for pennies on
the dollar. Real Amphenol silver plated connectors and adapters are
common, also very reasonable.

73,

Mark
W7MLG

On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 8:45 AM Larry Shapiro <lashap at cox.net> wrote:
>
>
> Good morning all.
>
> Quick question.
> I recently bought a nice K3 ser # 89xx ,and it came with 2 N connectors on
> the back instead of the usual UHF SO-239.
> The seller said it came from the factory that way.
> Is this common ?
> I have never seen this before.
> Thank you,
> Larry k6ro
>
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From radiomemory at gmail.com  Sat Apr 10 18:01:38 2021
From: radiomemory at gmail.com (Gary Memory)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 18:01:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft PA via Generator Power?
Message-ID: <CAPoA2FXDhjsj1QxLjKnwzR7Gx2GxzowwPHUrLkhfaVPXM8OGUw@mail.gmail.com>

Anybody know, or have experience using an Elecraft PA (a 500 watt in my
case) with a generator supplying AC power (a Honda 2 KW in my case)?  I?ve
not done it yet. Wanted to check to see if anyone else has prior experience
before I end up blowing the final, or some such.  The Honda flavor I have
is the inverter style....and they have been known to put out a crappy
?signal? at 60 Hz on occasion, not to mention fluctuations due to differing
load at different moments.

Thx

Gary, N7BRJ

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Apr 10 19:43:57 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 16:43:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft PA via Generator Power?
In-Reply-To: <CAPoA2FXDhjsj1QxLjKnwzR7Gx2GxzowwPHUrLkhfaVPXM8OGUw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPoA2FXDhjsj1QxLjKnwzR7Gx2GxzowwPHUrLkhfaVPXM8OGUw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ae090f1f-daf2-56db-7f13-4b4e08ef4854@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 4/10/2021 3:01 PM, Gary Memory wrote:
> Anybody know, or have experience using an Elecraft PA (a 500 watt in my
> case) with a generator supplying AC power (a Honda 2 KW in my case)?

We've done that a LOT (at least 6 years) with two KPA500s on Honday 
2000i generators for CQP and 7QP expeditions. Two can run on a single 
Honda, but with some voltage sag between the gen and the unregulated PSU 
in the KPA500. You have to set the "right" tap in the KPA500's primary 
(low, med, high) that hits the "just right" HV so that the KPA doesn't 
protect because it's too high key up and too low key down. With two KPAs 
on a single 2000i, both can be running CW at the same time at about 
300W. Maybe both full power if one CW, one SSB.

W6GJB's contesting trailer is set up for two K3/P3/SVGA/KPA500/KAT500 
stations, which we mostly run on CW. Several years ago, he bought the 
paralleling kit, so we run two in parallel, both in economode, running 
our entire station.

A single 2000i will run an entire single-TX station in economode.

Glen (GJB) has done propane conversions for his 2000i, and recently for 
my new 2200i. There's a company that sells the kit. Much safer and more 
convenient than gasoline.

73, Jim K9YC

From a.durbin at msn.com  Sat Apr 10 19:49:04 2021
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 23:49:04 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 failure
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB29689EFD1E06168A73E0523B8C739@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR16MB2970E75FCFFBF6ACA6E76E2B8C749@DM6PR16MB2970.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>,
	<BYAPR16MB29682DA703A06908CCE42E9A8C749@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>,
	<BYAPR16MB296819022F4CAB627F19359F8C749@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>,
	<BYAPR16MB2968FCF99B97FDDA5B5EAEC98C739@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>,
	<BYAPR16MB29689EFD1E06168A73E0523B8C739@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB29682C260F002903F44823438C729@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"I've been at V1.75 firmware for quite some time but random lockups of the KAT500 started recently. It might be helpful knowing what command caused the problem."

Please establish a repeatable test method and report to Elecraft.  As I have said more than once, the issue I experienced does NOT happen in ver 1.75.  It would not be helpful to know what command caused the problem.

Andy, k3wyc


From dave at nk7z.net  Sat Apr 10 20:55:48 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 17:55:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft PA via Generator Power?
In-Reply-To: <ae090f1f-daf2-56db-7f13-4b4e08ef4854@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CAPoA2FXDhjsj1QxLjKnwzR7Gx2GxzowwPHUrLkhfaVPXM8OGUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<ae090f1f-daf2-56db-7f13-4b4e08ef4854@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <bacb274b-cb86-b6c9-3971-3c0c0a0955e6@nk7z.net>

Was that the Hutch Mountain conversion Jim?

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 4/10/21 4:43 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 4/10/2021 3:01 PM, Gary Memory wrote:
>> Anybody know, or have experience using an Elecraft PA (a 500 watt in my
>> case) with a generator supplying AC power (a Honda 2 KW in my case)?
> 
> We've done that a LOT (at least 6 years) with two KPA500s on Honday 
> 2000i generators for CQP and 7QP expeditions. Two can run on a single 
> Honda, but with some voltage sag between the gen and the unregulated PSU 
> in the KPA500. You have to set the "right" tap in the KPA500's primary 
> (low, med, high) that hits the "just right" HV so that the KPA doesn't 
> protect because it's too high key up and too low key down. With two KPAs 
> on a single 2000i, both can be running CW at the same time at about 
> 300W. Maybe both full power if one CW, one SSB.
> 
> W6GJB's contesting trailer is set up for two K3/P3/SVGA/KPA500/KAT500 
> stations, which we mostly run on CW. Several years ago, he bought the 
> paralleling kit, so we run two in parallel, both in economode, running 
> our entire station.
> 
> A single 2000i will run an entire single-TX station in economode.
> 
> Glen (GJB) has done propane conversions for his 2000i, and recently for 
> my new 2200i. There's a company that sells the kit. Much safer and more 
> convenient than gasoline.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Apr 10 21:23:27 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 18:23:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft PA via Generator Power?
In-Reply-To: <bacb274b-cb86-b6c9-3971-3c0c0a0955e6@nk7z.net>
References: <CAPoA2FXDhjsj1QxLjKnwzR7Gx2GxzowwPHUrLkhfaVPXM8OGUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<ae090f1f-daf2-56db-7f13-4b4e08ef4854@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<bacb274b-cb86-b6c9-3971-3c0c0a0955e6@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <8eef2746-fbbd-6e21-6bf4-3089e4992b6c@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 4/10/2021 5:55 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
> Was that the Hutch Mountain conversion Jim?

Yes. And Glen said they were great to deal with, including answering 
questions. Thanks for prodding my aging memory cells.

73, Jim


From dave at nk7z.net  Sat Apr 10 22:23:53 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 19:23:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft PA via Generator Power?
In-Reply-To: <8eef2746-fbbd-6e21-6bf4-3089e4992b6c@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CAPoA2FXDhjsj1QxLjKnwzR7Gx2GxzowwPHUrLkhfaVPXM8OGUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<ae090f1f-daf2-56db-7f13-4b4e08ef4854@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<bacb274b-cb86-b6c9-3971-3c0c0a0955e6@nk7z.net>
	<8eef2746-fbbd-6e21-6bf4-3089e4992b6c@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <f000b00d-f52d-200f-e1fc-b0674be3c91a@nk7z.net>

Thanks for sharing!!  I have been thinking about adding that to my 2000i.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 4/10/21 6:23 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 4/10/2021 5:55 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
>> Was that the Hutch Mountain conversion Jim?
> 
> Yes. And Glen said they were great to deal with, including answering 
> questions. Thanks for prodding my aging memory cells.
> 
> 73, Jim
> 
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From edauer at aya.yale.edu  Sat Apr 10 23:32:09 2021
From: edauer at aya.yale.edu (edauer at aya.yale.edu)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 21:32:09 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 LCD and Backlight assembly problems
Message-ID: <000801d72e83$412d4bc0$c387e340$@aya.yale.edu>

Same here.  I am about 75% through a K2  build and faced the same question.
In my case the pins didn't quite make it to being flush with the bottom side
of the board.  Rather than pressing on the LCD and taking the risk of
overstressing it, I flowed the solder from the bottom  side and then checked
with a DVM for a good connection between the topside  LCD pins and the
reverse side of the through-holes.  All looked good, and the LCD works as it
should on every test so far.

This is my fourth K2.  I did not have this problem with the previous builds,
probably because those had integrated spacers.  The separate spacer and LED
pieces in the new kits may be higher by a fraction of a millimeter.

Ted, KN1CBR
K2  s/n 7979 in process

------------------------------

Message: 13
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 14:40:19 -0700
From: Bruce Forsberg <bruce.forsberg at gmail.com>
To: Phil Le-Brun <pnlebrun at gmail.com>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 LCD and Backlight assembly problems
Message-ID:
	<CAO6iX8Y51KnQ+O4r1EJh3OV6aQsMH6ms_OY_QqmNDuCLJgna=w at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

I resoldered the LED backlight devices by applying a small amount of
pressure and resoldering each pin to make sure they were flush. This made
the pins of the LCD flush with the PCB holes. I soldered it this way and it
has worked. The LCD is working fine for my K2.

Bruce, WB6IZG

On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 6:05 AM Phil Le-Brun <pnlebrun at gmail.com> wrote:

> Bruce, I am having the same issue. The LEDs are flush to the board, the
> plastic overlay installed but then the LCD sits to high to get the pins
> through
>
> Phil, G0HHN
>


From kevinr at coho.net  Sat Apr 10 23:55:42 2021
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 20:55:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <5aaf2a01-7a72-235e-af25-aa352f905b93@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? I awoke to an inch of snow with more falling.? That lasted until 
mid-afternoon.? Then it started to hail followed by sleet and finally 
pellets of snow.? Lastly it started raining so the snow is gone.? Good 
day to watch the volcano in Iceland.? At least one of their web cams has 
succumbed to the lava when a new fissure opened.? 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqXr4-U0JEs for a night time view.

 ?? The auroral oval is very weak today.? Low flux readings too. There 
was a sunspot earlier in the week but it is gone now.? Cycle 25 is 
barely underway.? I hope to hear you tomorrow afternoon.


Please join us on (or near):

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 ? 7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

 ?? 73,
 ????? Kevin. KD5ONS


-




"Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time 
to pause and reflect." -- Mark Twain


From dave.g4aon at gmail.com  Sun Apr 11 07:46:09 2021
From: dave.g4aon at gmail.com (Dave)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 12:46:09 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft PA via Generator Power?
Message-ID: <CABiKjG6pMzNnAg_JsuO804F323PrYeExw+iT3N+S6hoO7WiQfg@mail.gmail.com>

I asked the same question on eHam yesterday.

Currently I have a Yamaha EF2800i (lightweight ?frame? inverter generator,
29Kg dry), it will power a transceiver and a KPA500 easily, although if
using CW at 400W o/p it runs smoother if economy mode is turned off. It is
fine on eco mode with SSB.

The generator dates from 2006 and has been flawless, however, I fancy a
lighter and quieter unit. The 2KVA suitcase types look good, but appear to
only have enough fuel for around 4 hours, the EF2800i runs well over 8
hours without a refill.

Maybe I should visit a gym and strengthen my back!

73 Dave G4AON
-- 
Sent from my iPhone SE

From k1whs at metrocast.net  Sun Apr 11 10:03:32 2021
From: k1whs at metrocast.net (David Olean)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 10:03:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft PA via Generator Power?
In-Reply-To: <CABiKjG6pMzNnAg_JsuO804F323PrYeExw+iT3N+S6hoO7WiQfg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABiKjG6pMzNnAg_JsuO804F323PrYeExw+iT3N+S6hoO7WiQfg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fca915e3-6c95-c4d9-0a01-9b6f9a789c2d@metrocast.net>

I have the big Yamaha inverter generator, an EF6300i. it makes fantastic 
electricity and runs any electronic devices with no problems. I do turn 
off economy mode if I am only running radio gear. The inverters are much 
better than open frame 3600 rpm " box store" units. They have a much 
better waveform. When I first got the genset, we had a power failure and 
I was running the house on the inverter. For grins, I fired up my HB 
4CX1000A 10 meter amplifier with 1100 watts out, and made some CW and 
SSB contacts. Then I went into the house and asked the XYL if she 
noticed any problems with the electricity such as flickering lights etc. 
She saw no problems at all.? The only problem with inverters is RFI. You 
have to suppress the output with ferrites.

Dave K1WHS

On 4/11/2021 7:46 AM, Dave wrote:
> I asked the same question on eHam yesterday.
>
> Currently I have a Yamaha EF2800i (lightweight ?frame? inverter generator,
> 29Kg dry), it will power a transceiver and a KPA500 easily, although if
> using CW at 400W o/p it runs smoother if economy mode is turned off. It is
> fine on eco mode with SSB.
>
> The generator dates from 2006 and has been flawless, however, I fancy a
> lighter and quieter unit. The 2KVA suitcase types look good, but appear to
> only have enough fuel for around 4 hours, the EF2800i runs well over 8
> hours without a refill.
>
> Maybe I should visit a gym and strengthen my back!
>
> 73 Dave G4AON

From pete.r at mac.com  Sun Apr 11 11:01:36 2021
From: pete.r at mac.com (Peter Reinzuch)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 08:01:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Repair service
Message-ID: <BC246028-1048-4394-894C-8D44DF61F1F2@mac.com>

My Panadapter has quit working.   When I press the power switch I get a white screen briefly it says :

P3 Boot Loader
Checksum TEST

Then screen blanks out. 
I have tried rebooting by holding  power switch while I plug the power cord back in. No luck!
Any suggestions ?
I have filled out the request online  to get a ticket to send it in for repair ....no reply. ? Who should I try and contact to see if I can get it working .
73 Peter VE7REZ 

 




Sent from my iPhone

From w5sum at comcast.net  Sun Apr 11 11:14:22 2021
From: w5sum at comcast.net (Ronnie Hull)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 10:14:22 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Repair service
In-Reply-To: <BC246028-1048-4394-894C-8D44DF61F1F2@mac.com>
References: <BC246028-1048-4394-894C-8D44DF61F1F2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <FE5324BB-3838-4F31-8C20-8769E7AA22EF@comcast.net>

Good luck. I filled one of those out two weeks ago for my K3 and never got a reply. Have left phone messages and nothing.  Their once incredible service is sadly amiss

Ronnie W5SUM 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 11, 2021, at 10:01 AM, Peter Reinzuch via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?My Panadapter has quit working.   When I press the power switch I get a white screen briefly it says :
> 
> P3 Boot Loader
> Checksum TEST
> 
> Then screen blanks out. 
> I have tried rebooting by holding  power switch while I plug the power cord back in. No luck!
> Any suggestions ?
> I have filled out the request online  to get a ticket to send it in for repair ....no reply. ? Who should I try and contact to see if I can get it working .
> 73 Peter VE7REZ 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From weaverwf at usermail.com  Sun Apr 11 11:55:48 2021
From: weaverwf at usermail.com (weaverwf at usermail.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 11:55:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Repair service
In-Reply-To: <BC246028-1048-4394-894C-8D44DF61F1F2@mac.com>
References: <BC246028-1048-4394-894C-8D44DF61F1F2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F8D7CBA9-E3E5-4CDC-83D5-155A81FB4F57@usermail.com>

?A few weeks ago I called the main number and received a return auth number for my KPA1500. I packed the amp and shipped it UPS. I received a confirmation from Elecraft when it arrived on April 2nd.

73,
Bill WE5P

Comfortably Numb

> On Apr 11, 2021, at 11:02, Peter Reinzuch via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?My Panadapter has quit working.   When I press the power switch I get a white screen briefly it says :
> 
> P3 Boot Loader
> Checksum TEST
> 
> Then screen blanks out. 
> I have tried rebooting by holding  power switch while I plug the power cord back in. No luck!
> Any suggestions ?
> I have filled out the request online  to get a ticket to send it in for repair ....no reply. ? Who should I try and contact to see if I can get it working .
> 73 Peter VE7REZ 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From w5sv.dave at gmail.com  Sun Apr 11 13:39:11 2021
From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 17:39:11 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 mod wanted
Message-ID: <4dfc8a0f-0cc1-11bf-b537-551a02885022@gmail.com>

I am interested in a mod to the firmware or other means of automatically 
going to STANDBY whenever I change bands; is such a thing possible?

All help appreciated!

Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV


From w4kx at mac.com  Sun Apr 11 13:56:20 2021
From: w4kx at mac.com (Tom Doligalski)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 13:56:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 mod wanted
In-Reply-To: <4dfc8a0f-0cc1-11bf-b537-551a02885022@gmail.com>
References: <4dfc8a0f-0cc1-11bf-b537-551a02885022@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B237CB95-E5F8-4939-88DB-E55AC45E22B9@mac.com>

BANDCHANGE->STDBY

It already in the firmware. 

Tom W4KX

Sent from my iPad 

> On Apr 11, 2021, at 1:40 PM, David F. Reed <w5sv.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I am interested in a mod to the firmware or other means of automatically going to STANDBY whenever I change bands; is such a thing possible?
> 
> All help appreciated!
> 
> Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV
> 
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From w5sv.dave at gmail.com  Sun Apr 11 14:01:55 2021
From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 18:01:55 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 mod wanted
In-Reply-To: <030a01d72efb$012acc50$038064f0$@gmail.com>
References: <4dfc8a0f-0cc1-11bf-b537-551a02885022@gmail.com>
	<030a01d72efb$012acc50$038064f0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7db768df-4481-6c0a-db59-51021d09fa1b@gmail.com>

Thanks Mike and all who clued me in!

73 de Dave, W5SV

On 11-Apr-21 17:49, Mike Flowers wrote:
> On the KPA500 > Menu > Band Change > Standby
>
> - 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, NCDXC Secretary
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-
>> bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of David F. Reed
>> Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 10:39
>> To: Elecraft List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 mod wanted
>>
>> I am interested in a mod to the firmware or other means of automatically
>> going to STANDBY whenever I change bands; is such a thing possible?
>>
>> All help appreciated!
>>
>> Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV
>>
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From ki5io at outlook.com  Sun Apr 11 14:50:44 2021
From: ki5io at outlook.com (Nolan Kienitz)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 11:50:44 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] FS:  K3, P3 & SP3
Message-ID: <1618167044354-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

My K3, P3 & SP3 station is for sale as a package. I use almost daily
for CW and 'some' FTxx Q's.

K3 (kit)  -  s/n:  90xx
Filters:  6K, 2.8K, 400, 200
KPBF3A - General Covreage Receiver
KBPF3A - 100-400 mhz kit
KSYN3A -  upgraded synth
KXV3B - I/O option
KAT3 - ATU
KPA3 - 100w amp
KIO3B - USB I/O upgrade
KDVR - digital voice recorder
KTCX03-1 - Temp compensated crystal oscillator
KPAIO3MDKT - Noise Modification Kit
KREF3 - Output Level Modification
MH2 - Hand Microphone

P3 (kit)  -  s/n:  AA66
All K3 and P3 connecting cables included.


SP3
Additional dampening material added for enhanced audio.

Documents:
Elecraft Assembly & Owner Guides for both K3 and P3
Fred Cady - KE7X (SK) Manuals:
- The Elecraft K3 and P3 (3rd Edition) -  Incorporating the KXV3B and KIO3B
- The Elecraft K3s and P3
- Upgrading the Elecraft K3 with K3s components - Bridging the Gap
- Elecraft Macro Programming - K3s, K3, KX3 and P3/SVGA, PX3 and K-Pod

All firmware in K3 and P3 is current.
Units are in current use with no known issues.
Non-smoking environment.
Images available upon request.

K3, P3 & SP3 with noted elements, updates, upgrades Elecraft Manuals/Guides
and 
Cady Manuals are for sale as a package. Prefer local pickup/delivery in
Dallas/Fort Worth
area, but will ship/ensure CONUS.

Price for package is less than 50% of investment. 
PayPal, Cash or Cashier's Check preferred.
Contact me off-list for details if interested.
ki5io - Nolan Kienitz





-----
73  -  Nolan Kienitz,  KI5IO
--
Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/

From dave at nk7z.net  Sun Apr 11 16:58:34 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 13:58:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted: SP3
Message-ID: <ec29f077-450e-9e1b-a9c6-7db710aa2ce9@nk7z.net>

Looking for a SP3, please email me cost, and condition.  I will pay 
shipping and insurance to my home.
-- 
73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

From lashap at cox.net  Sun Apr 11 17:14:30 2021
From: lashap at cox.net (Larry Shapiro)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 14:14:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted: SP3
In-Reply-To: <ec29f077-450e-9e1b-a9c6-7db710aa2ce9@nk7z.net>
References: <ec29f077-450e-9e1b-a9c6-7db710aa2ce9@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <D77BDEA619064201A17DD7F901E60E1C@LarryPC>

I have a brand new one..never taken out of box for $185 plus shipping if 
paid by check,
Larry k6ro


-----Original Message----- 
From: Dave Cole
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 1:58 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net ; Elecraft-K3 at groups.io
Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted: SP3

Looking for a SP3, please email me cost, and condition.  I will pay
shipping and insurance to my home.
-- 
73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
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From sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 11 18:03:22 2021
From: sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com (stephen shearer)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 18:03:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft PA via Generator Power?
In-Reply-To: <CABiKjG6pMzNnAg_JsuO804F323PrYeExw+iT3N+S6hoO7WiQfg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABiKjG6pMzNnAg_JsuO804F323PrYeExw+iT3N+S6hoO7WiQfg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <21f9391e-134e-1884-d45c-a8e1a7732706@gmail.com>

Yes, BUT For the 2KW Honda, how long do you want it to run???
SEE "long Run Kits" 
https://www.amazon.com/Bergs-System-HND1-2000IS-Single-Tank/dp/B07K385YGX/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=honda+generator+extended+run+kit&qid=1618178399&sr=8-2

You can also find the parts to make the kit and modify a "cheap" plastic 
gas can...

73, Steve WB3LGC

On 4/11/21 7:46 AM, Dave wrote:
> I asked the same question on eHam yesterday.
>
> Currently I have a Yamaha EF2800i (lightweight ?frame? inverter generator,
> 29Kg dry), it will power a transceiver and a KPA500 easily, although if
> using CW at 400W o/p it runs smoother if economy mode is turned off. It is
> fine on eco mode with SSB.
>
> The generator dates from 2006 and has been flawless, however, I fancy a
> lighter and quieter unit.*The 2KVA suitcase types look good, but appear to only have enough 
> fuel for around 4 hours,*  the EF2800i runs well over 8
> hours without a refill.
>
> Maybe I should visit a gym and strengthen my back!
>
> 73 Dave G4AON

From kevinr at coho.net  Mon Apr 12 00:35:01 2021
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 21:35:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <7518e4d2-92c5-9bcd-424e-61046d314081@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? Both bands had more QSB than I had expected.? There was more noise 
on 40 meters compared to 20.? There were only a few reports of snow.? 
Mostly sunny and warm was a common theme.? It was not very wet this 
winter, I hope the dry season does not bring too many fires.? Two years 
ago they were bad around here.? Last year they were bad farther south.


 ? On 14051 kHz at 2200z:

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K6XK - Roy - IA

AB9V - Mike - IN

K4JPN - Steve - GA


 ? On 7047.5 kHz at 0000z:

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K6XK - Roy - IA

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

K6PJV - Dale - CA


Until next week stay well and 73,

 ?? Kevin.? KD5ONS


-



You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant
Walk right in it's around the back
Just a half a mile from the railroad track
You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant


From dave at nk7z.net  Mon Apr 12 07:27:59 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 04:27:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Failur3, and question
Message-ID: <3d87d941-cf87-3ae6-b7c2-fc6edd9b5e09@nk7z.net>

Hello,

My P3 seems to have had a display failure.  The SVGA is working, as I 
can control the K3 via macros fired at it via the keyboard input.  It 
failed to light off once before, but that seemed a one off thing, not it 
seems permanent.

Has anyone seen this before?  If so, what was the cause?

-- 
73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

From dave at nk7z.net  Mon Apr 12 07:41:07 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 04:41:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question
In-Reply-To: <3d87d941-cf87-3ae6-b7c2-fc6edd9b5e09@nk7z.net>
References: <3d87d941-cf87-3ae6-b7c2-fc6edd9b5e09@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <399f77c7-7e21-9b03-7df4-6840929ebf58@nk7z.net>

A bit more data:

1.  The (3 utility can talk to it.
2.  If I try and capture an image, it goes through the motions, but no 
image is captured.
3.  It accepts commands via a keyboard.
4.  A load from the last config file did not correct things.
5.  A full power off and on did not correct things.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 4/12/21 4:27 AM, Dave Cole wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> My P3 seems to have had a display failure.? The SVGA is working, as I 
> can control the K3 via macros fired at it via the keyboard input.? It 
> failed to light off once before, but that seemed a one off thing, not it 
> seems permanent.
> 
> Has anyone seen this before?? If so, what was the cause?
> 

From rick at tripletry.com  Mon Apr 12 08:27:56 2021
From: rick at tripletry.com (Rick Stanback)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 08:27:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question
In-Reply-To: <399f77c7-7e21-9b03-7df4-6840929ebf58@nk7z.net>
References: <3d87d941-cf87-3ae6-b7c2-fc6edd9b5e09@nk7z.net>
	<399f77c7-7e21-9b03-7df4-6840929ebf58@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <3085d2d53caedebc349439e1818e815df0bdc8be.camel@tripletry.com>

My P3 does the same thing.  If i keep cycling power it eventually comes
on and works.  I suspect there is a bad capacitor in the LCD backlight
power.  I have not actually looking into it yet.

-- 
"If you are not the lead dog, the scenary never changes"
Rick Stanback
N4WCQ


On Mon, 2021-04-12 at 04:41 -0700, Dave Cole wrote:
> A bit more data:
> 
> 1.? The (3 utility can talk to it.
> 2.? If I try and capture an image, it goes through the motions, but
> no 
> image is captured.
> 3.? It accepts commands via a keyboard.
> 4.? A load from the last config file did not correct things.
> 5.? A full power off and on did not correct things.
> 
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
> 
> On 4/12/21 4:27 AM, Dave Cole wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > My P3 seems to have had a display failure.? The SVGA is working, as
> > I 
> > can control the K3 via macros fired at it via the keyboard input.?
> > It 
> > failed to light off once before, but that seemed a one off thing,
> > not it 
> > seems permanent.
> > 
> > Has anyone seen this before?? If so, what was the cause?
> > 
> ______________________________________________________________
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From dave at nk7z.net  Mon Apr 12 09:03:11 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 06:03:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question
In-Reply-To: <3085d2d53caedebc349439e1818e815df0bdc8be.camel@tripletry.com>
References: <3d87d941-cf87-3ae6-b7c2-fc6edd9b5e09@nk7z.net>
	<399f77c7-7e21-9b03-7df4-6840929ebf58@nk7z.net>
	<3085d2d53caedebc349439e1818e815df0bdc8be.camel@tripletry.com>
Message-ID: <b0517602-b596-a797-10ec-f32ea39f62a3@nk7z.net>

Rick,

Thank you!  I appreciate the datapoint in this.  I was just looking over 
the schematic and came to the same conclusion...  It looks like a 
backlight problem to me as well...  I tried to find a datasheet on teh 
4538 IC that appears to control it, but alas, nope.  I got mine to come 
back on by power cycling it as well...

Hopefully someone has actually fixed this, and knows which cap...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 4/12/21 5:27 AM, Rick Stanback wrote:
> My P3 does the same thing.  If i keep cycling power it eventually comes
> on and works.  I suspect there is a bad capacitor in the LCD backlight
> power.  I have not actually looking into it yet.
> 

From dave at nk7z.net  Mon Apr 12 09:08:28 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 06:08:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question
In-Reply-To: <b0517602-b596-a797-10ec-f32ea39f62a3@nk7z.net>
References: <3d87d941-cf87-3ae6-b7c2-fc6edd9b5e09@nk7z.net>
	<399f77c7-7e21-9b03-7df4-6840929ebf58@nk7z.net>
	<3085d2d53caedebc349439e1818e815df0bdc8be.camel@tripletry.com>
	<b0517602-b596-a797-10ec-f32ea39f62a3@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <1fc9b032-11e7-f1c1-43b6-4df7402877aa@nk7z.net>

Rick,
A further thought on this...  Next time your P3 fails, can you try and 
grab an image from it using the utility?  I just thought of that, mine 
will not grab an image, when it is failed, so it is probably not the 
backlight on mine.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 4/12/21 6:03 AM, Dave Cole wrote:
> Rick,
> 
> Thank you!? I appreciate the datapoint in this.? I was just looking over 
> the schematic and came to the same conclusion...? It looks like a 
> backlight problem to me as well...? I tried to find a datasheet on teh 
> 4538 IC that appears to control it, but alas, nope.? I got mine to come 
> back on by power cycling it as well...
> 
> Hopefully someone has actually fixed this, and knows which cap...
> 
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
> 
> On 4/12/21 5:27 AM, Rick Stanback wrote:
>> My P3 does the same thing.? If i keep cycling power it eventually comes
>> on and works.? I suspect there is a bad capacitor in the LCD backlight
>> power.? I have not actually looking into it yet.
>>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From n8sbe at arrl.net  Mon Apr 12 09:39:36 2021
From: n8sbe at arrl.net (Dave New)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 08:39:36 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question
In-Reply-To: <1fc9b032-11e7-f1c1-43b6-4df7402877aa@nk7z.net>
References: <3d87d941-cf87-3ae6-b7c2-fc6edd9b5e09@nk7z.net>
	<399f77c7-7e21-9b03-7df4-6840929ebf58@nk7z.net>
	<3085d2d53caedebc349439e1818e815df0bdc8be.camel@tripletry.com>
	<b0517602-b596-a797-10ec-f32ea39f62a3@nk7z.net>
	<1fc9b032-11e7-f1c1-43b6-4df7402877aa@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <20210412083936.Horde.Z9SvIxrssWjBE7L4wywNagR@www14.qth.com>

  I've been experiencing intermittent failures of the internal  
display, as well as loss of at least one setting (Track/Fix).

I've been leaving the K3s/P3 powered on continuously, but recently  
started turning them off, to save some 'always on' energy while trying  
to figure out why our house is running about 1200 watts continuously.

So, when powering on the combination (the P3 is set to power on with  
the K3s power), very nearly always now, the internal display fails to  
come on, but the SVGA display always works.? Normally, cycling the  
power switch on the P3 recovers the internal display, but just  
yesterday, I had to cycle the power several times before it came up.

I'm now leaving things powered on, until I can troubleshoot what the  
issue is.? I did go as far as looking in the P3 manual to see if there  
is a coin cell battery in it, that might need replacing, but that is  
apparently not so.

I'm concerned about the loss of settings, which may point to a  
corrupted EEPROM.? Reflashing the P3 hasn't fixed this, and so far,  
I've not tried a 'factory reset' on the P3, which would lose all my  
settings.

Hope that helps,

-- Dave, N8SBE

Quoting Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net>:

> Rick,
> A further thought on this...? Next time your P3 fails, can you try  
> and grab an image from it using the utility?? I just thought of  
> that, mine will not grab an image, when it is failed, so it is  
> probably not the backlight on mine.
>
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>
> On 4/12/21 6:03 AM, Dave Cole wrote:
>> Rick,
>>
>> Thank you!? I appreciate the datapoint in this.? I was just looking  
>> over the schematic and came to the same conclusion...? It looks  
>> like a backlight problem to me as well...? I tried to find a  
>> datasheet on teh 4538 IC that appears to control it, but alas,  
>> nope.? I got mine to come back on by power cycling it as well...
>>
>> Hopefully someone has actually fixed this, and knows which cap...
>>
>> 73, and thanks,
>> Dave (NK7Z)
>> https://www.nk7z.net
>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>>
>> On 4/12/21 5:27 AM, Rick Stanback wrote:
>>> My P3 does the same thing.? If i keep cycling power it eventually comes
>>> on and works.? I suspect there is a bad capacitor in the LCD backlight
>>> power.? I have not actually looking into it yet.
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From howardsaxion at mac.com  Mon Apr 12 10:05:51 2021
From: howardsaxion at mac.com (Howard Saxion)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 07:05:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question
Message-ID: <1EEF6A9F-205C-41E3-877C-D1F2DBD1128C@mac.com>

?I had a similar problem with my P3 with SVGA. I had to cycle through the on-off switch a few times before it would fully power up. Once powered up, everything was working and stable.  I tried reseating the ribbon cables but that had no effect. 

I contacted Elecraft technical support and they had me try a few things but that did not solve the problem. I sent it to Elecraft and it turned out that the I/O board was faulty. The repair cost was approximately $200 for a new board and labor.  

73
Howard/WX7HS 


> On Apr 12, 2021, at 06:05, Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Rick,
> 
> Thank you!  I appreciate the datapoint in this.  I was just looking over the schematic and came to the same conclusion...  It looks like a backlight problem to me as well...  I tried to find a datasheet on teh 4538 IC that appears to control it, but alas, nope.  I got mine to come back on by power cycling it as well...
> 
> Hopefully someone has actually fixed this, and knows which cap...
> 
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
> 
>> On 4/12/21 5:27 AM, Rick Stanback wrote:
>> My P3 does the same thing.  If i keep cycling power it eventually comes
>> on and works.  I suspect there is a bad capacitor in the LCD backlight
>> power.  I have not actually looking into it yet.
> ______________________________________________________________
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From johnae5x at gmail.com  Mon Apr 12 10:32:58 2021
From: johnae5x at gmail.com (John Harper)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 09:32:58 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft]  Elecraft PA via Generator Power?
Message-ID: <CAPHmH=MsDWOHZZOQFeMU_15SMx0hVp6WivEtGFF9P+HLC_8HMQ@mail.gmail.com>

One of the first tests I did after the dual-fuel conversion of my Honda gen
was with the KPA-500. Worked flawlessly, and I highly recommend the
conversion. It only takes minutes:

https://ae5x.blogspot.com/2020/06/propane-conversion-of-honda-eu2000i.html

73,
John AE5X

From dave at nk7z.net  Mon Apr 12 10:38:04 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 07:38:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question
In-Reply-To: <20210412083936.Horde.Z9SvIxrssWjBE7L4wywNagR@www14.qth.com>
References: <3d87d941-cf87-3ae6-b7c2-fc6edd9b5e09@nk7z.net>
	<399f77c7-7e21-9b03-7df4-6840929ebf58@nk7z.net>
	<3085d2d53caedebc349439e1818e815df0bdc8be.camel@tripletry.com>
	<b0517602-b596-a797-10ec-f32ea39f62a3@nk7z.net>
	<1fc9b032-11e7-f1c1-43b6-4df7402877aa@nk7z.net>
	<20210412083936.Horde.Z9SvIxrssWjBE7L4wywNagR@www14.qth.com>
Message-ID: <9cc532f4-4f73-ef3d-325e-64f957064e85@nk7z.net>

Hi Dave New,

It does help, and thank you... Mine has come back to life as well, 
(power cycling it), and I am worried about turning it off now as well...

I will get an RSA from Elecraft and send it in...  I'll report back to 
the list what they find, and how long it took to get repaired.

If you discover the issue, please let me know if you would!  I won't be 
sending mine back tomorrow, but sooner than later.  Also, THANK YOU 
again for the information.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 4/12/21 6:39 AM, Dave New wrote:
>  ?I've been experiencing intermittent failures of the internal display, 
> as well as loss of at least one setting (Track/Fix).
> 
> I've been leaving the K3s/P3 powered on continuously, but recently 
> started turning them off, to save some 'always on' energy while trying 
> to figure out why our house is running about 1200 watts continuously.
> 
> So, when powering on the combination (the P3 is set to power on with the 
> K3s power), very nearly always now, the internal display fails to come 
> on, but the SVGA display always works.? Normally, cycling the power 
> switch on the P3 recovers the internal display, but just yesterday, I 
> had to cycle the power several times before it came up.
> 
> I'm now leaving things powered on, until I can troubleshoot what the 
> issue is.? I did go as far as looking in the P3 manual to see if there 
> is a coin cell battery in it, that might need replacing, but that is 
> apparently not so.
> 
> I'm concerned about the loss of settings, which may point to a corrupted 
> EEPROM.? Reflashing the P3 hasn't fixed this, and so far, I've not tried 
> a 'factory reset' on the P3, which would lose all my settings.
> 
> Hope that helps,
> 
> -- Dave, N8SBE
> 
> Quoting Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net>:
> 
>> Rick,
>> A further thought on this...? Next time your P3 fails, can you try and 
>> grab an image from it using the utility?? I just thought of that, mine 
>> will not grab an image, when it is failed, so it is probably not the 
>> backlight on mine.
>>
>> 73, and thanks,
>> Dave (NK7Z)
>> https://www.nk7z.net
>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>>
>> On 4/12/21 6:03 AM, Dave Cole wrote:
>>> Rick,
>>>
>>> Thank you!? I appreciate the datapoint in this.? I was just looking 
>>> over the schematic and came to the same conclusion...? It looks like 
>>> a backlight problem to me as well...? I tried to find a datasheet on 
>>> teh 4538 IC that appears to control it, but alas, nope.? I got mine 
>>> to come back on by power cycling it as well...
>>>
>>> Hopefully someone has actually fixed this, and knows which cap...
>>>
>>> 73, and thanks,
>>> Dave (NK7Z)
>>> https://www.nk7z.net
>>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>>> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
>>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>>>
>>> On 4/12/21 5:27 AM, Rick Stanback wrote:
>>>> My P3 does the same thing.? If i keep cycling power it eventually comes
>>>> on and works.? I suspect there is a bad capacitor in the LCD backlight
>>>> power.? I have not actually looking into it yet.
>>>
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From dave at nk7z.net  Mon Apr 12 10:39:09 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 07:39:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question
In-Reply-To: <1EEF6A9F-205C-41E3-877C-D1F2DBD1128C@mac.com>
References: <1EEF6A9F-205C-41E3-877C-D1F2DBD1128C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <bf7e4640-9878-6b7b-131e-9c4ce302955b@nk7z.net>

Thanks Howard, I'll call you later today...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 4/12/21 7:05 AM, Howard Saxion wrote:
> ?I had a similar problem with my P3 with SVGA. I had to cycle through the on-off switch a few times before it would fully power up. Once powered up, everything was working and stable.  I tried reseating the ribbon cables but that had no effect.
> 
> I contacted Elecraft technical support and they had me try a few things but that did not solve the problem. I sent it to Elecraft and it turned out that the I/O board was faulty. The repair cost was approximately $200 for a new board and labor.
> 
> 73
> Howard/WX7HS
> 
> 
>> On Apr 12, 2021, at 06:05, Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?Rick,
>>
>> Thank you!  I appreciate the datapoint in this.  I was just looking over the schematic and came to the same conclusion...  It looks like a backlight problem to me as well...  I tried to find a datasheet on teh 4538 IC that appears to control it, but alas, nope.  I got mine to come back on by power cycling it as well...
>>
>> Hopefully someone has actually fixed this, and knows which cap...
>>
>> 73, and thanks,
>> Dave (NK7Z)
>> https://www.nk7z.net
>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>>
>>> On 4/12/21 5:27 AM, Rick Stanback wrote:
>>> My P3 does the same thing.  If i keep cycling power it eventually comes
>>> on and works.  I suspect there is a bad capacitor in the LCD backlight
>>> power.  I have not actually looking into it yet.
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From 99sunset at gmail.com  Mon Apr 12 10:57:55 2021
From: 99sunset at gmail.com (Steve Hall)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 10:57:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 40 meter net 4-11
Message-ID: <CALdUqNN6mtU0MC2gkC4YAWo3w2=-F3nmoQwR=8ep6P-3bRKUvQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to all my relay stations.
Very few signals on 40 meters.

WM6P STEVE GA K3S NETCONTROL
WB9JNZ ERIC IL K3
K1NW BRIAN RI K3
WY3T TIM FL K3S
K8NU CARL OH FTDX101
NC0JW JIM CO KX3
K2VJK VERN NY K3
N2AQR JOHN NY K2
AE6JV BILL NH K3
KO4DXQ BOB TN IC7300
K5PD PETE TX K3
K4HYJ HANK GA KX3

From n8sbe at arrl.net  Mon Apr 12 12:33:39 2021
From: n8sbe at arrl.net (Dave New)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 11:33:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question
In-Reply-To: <1EEF6A9F-205C-41E3-877C-D1F2DBD1128C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20210412113339.Horde.QQVwt9oJkNcZt8VeUGmnhQc@www14.qth.com>

  Do you know just what failed on the I/O board?? Was it possibly due  
to static discharge?

I tend to leave an antenna connected, except during active weather,  
but curious if there is something sensitive in the P3 I/O area that  
can fail easily from a surge, like the old RS-232 circuitry in the  
original K3.

Thanks,

-- Dave, N8SBE

Quoting Howard Saxion via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>:

> ?I had a similar problem with my P3 with SVGA. I had to cycle  
> through the on-off switch a few times before it would fully power  
> up. Once powered up, everything was working and stable.? I tried  
> reseating the ribbon cables but that had no effect.
>
> I contacted Elecraft technical support and they had me try a few  
> things but that did not solve the problem. I sent it to Elecraft and  
> it turned out that the I/O board was faulty. The repair cost was  
> approximately $200 for a new board and labor.
>
> 73
> Howard/WX7HS
>
>> On Apr 12, 2021, at 06:05, Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?Rick,
>>
>> Thank you!? I appreciate the datapoint in this.? I was just looking  
>> over the schematic and came to the same conclusion...? It looks  
>> like a backlight problem to me as well...? I tried to find a  
>> datasheet on teh 4538 IC that appears to control it, but alas,  
>> nope.? I got mine to come back on by power cycling it as well...
>>
>> Hopefully someone has actually fixed this, and knows which cap...
>>
>> 73, and thanks,
>> Dave (NK7Z)
>> https://www.nk7z.net
>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>>
>>> On 4/12/21 5:27 AM, Rick Stanback wrote:
>>> My P3 does the same thing.? If i keep cycling power it eventually comes
>>> on and works.? I suspect there is a bad capacitor in the LCD backlight
>>> power.? I have not actually looking into it yet.
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From eric at elecraft.com  Mon Apr 12 12:45:05 2021
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 09:45:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft job openings. Test/ Repair tech,
	customer support tech.
Message-ID: <5BF47A7F-6EB5-4756-8CD0-9318A6A57578@elecraft.com>

Hi,

We have openings for two different technical positions at Elecraft! 

1.  Technician position for our product test group. 
 - This position requires good analog and digital skills with debug and repair capability to the component level.  Involves use of Spectrum Analyzers, Oscilloscopes etc. and specialized computer software used for testing etc. Good understanding of radio transmitter, amplifier and receiver operation at the schematic and block diagram levels is also a plus.
- This is a full time or part time position working at our Watsonville, CA facility.

2. Customer Support
This position will be supporting customer questions via phone calls and emails on our current products.  Good social skills and detailed operating experience with our K3 or K3s, KX line, Amplifiers etc is a plus. Should also be familiar with reading and understanding schematics, debugging customer failures over the phone and via email etc.
This position can be full or part time, working from our Watsonville facility, and possibly from home.

If you are interested, please email your contact information and resume/experience to hr@ elecraft.com,  and cc: eric@ elecraft.com so I can track applicants too.

73,
Eric
elecraft.com
_..._



From eric at elecraft.com  Mon Apr 12 12:50:03 2021
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 09:50:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft job openings. Test/ Repair tech,
	customer support tech.
In-Reply-To: <5BF47A7F-6EB5-4756-8CD0-9318A6A57578@elecraft.com>
References: <5BF47A7F-6EB5-4756-8CD0-9318A6A57578@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <71D5F379-4B13-46FB-9C06-E57753BC6A38@elecraft.com>

One typo in my email addresses below. The correct address for submitting you information are:
hr at elecraft.com  , and also cc: eric at elecraft.com    

(I had an extraneous space in the hr at .. address below.)

Eric
elecraft.com
_..._



> On Apr 12, 2021, at 9:45 AM, Eric Swartz <eric at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi,
> 
> We have openings for two different technical positions at Elecraft! 
> 
> 1.  Technician position for our product test group. 
> - This position requires good analog and digital skills with debug and repair capability to the component level.  Involves use of Spectrum Analyzers, Oscilloscopes etc. and specialized computer software used for testing etc. Good understanding of radio transmitter, amplifier and receiver operation at the schematic and block diagram levels is also a plus.
> - This is a full time or part time position working at our Watsonville, CA facility.
> 
> 2. Customer Support
> This position will be supporting customer questions via phone calls and emails on our current products.  Good social skills and detailed operating experience with our K3 or K3s, KX line, Amplifiers etc is a plus. Should also be familiar with reading and understanding schematics, debugging customer failures over the phone and via email etc.
> This position can be full or part time, working from our Watsonville facility, and possibly from home.
> 
> If you are interested, please email your contact information and resume/experience to hr@ elecraft.com,  and cc: eric@ elecraft.com so I can track applicants too.
> 
> 73,
> Eric
> elecraft.com
> _..._
> 
> 

From howardsaxion at mac.com  Mon Apr 12 13:42:54 2021
From: howardsaxion at mac.com (Howard Saxion)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 10:42:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question
In-Reply-To: <20210412113339.Horde.QQVwt9oJkNcZt8VeUGmnhQc@www14.qth.com>
References: <20210412113339.Horde.QQVwt9oJkNcZt8VeUGmnhQc@www14.qth.com>
Message-ID: <C355668D-FC4F-4578-9A5F-8DED64346EBF@mac.com>

I do not.  The repair invoice from Elecraft only indicated a faulty I/O board which was replaced. 
73
Howard/WX7HS

> On Apr 12, 2021, at 09:35, Dave New <n8sbe at arrl.net> wrote:
> 
> ? Do you know just what failed on the I/O board?  Was it possibly due to static discharge?
> 
> I tend to leave an antenna connected, except during active weather, but curious if there is something sensitive in the P3 I/O area that can fail easily from a surge, like the old RS-232 circuitry in the original K3.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -- Dave, N8SBE
> 
> Quoting Howard Saxion via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>:
> 
>> ?I had a similar problem with my P3 with SVGA. I had to cycle through the on-off switch a few times before it would fully power up. Once powered up, everything was working and stable.  I tried reseating the ribbon cables but that had no effect.
>> 
>> I contacted Elecraft technical support and they had me try a few things but that did not solve the problem. I sent it to Elecraft and it turned out that the I/O board was faulty. The repair cost was approximately $200 for a new board and labor.
>> 
>> 73
>> Howard/WX7HS
>> 
>>>> On Apr 12, 2021, at 06:05, Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Rick,
>>> 
>>> Thank you!  I appreciate the datapoint in this.  I was just looking over the schematic and came to the same conclusion...  It looks like a backlight problem to me as well...  I tried to find a datasheet on teh 4538 IC that appears to control it, but alas, nope.  I got mine to come back on by power cycling it as well...
>>> 
>>> Hopefully someone has actually fixed this, and knows which cap...
>>> 
>>> 73, and thanks,
>>> Dave (NK7Z)
>>> https://www.nk7z.net
>>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>>> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
>>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>>> 
>>>> On 4/12/21 5:27 AM, Rick Stanback wrote:
>>>> My P3 does the same thing.  If i keep cycling power it eventually comes
>>>> on and works.  I suspect there is a bad capacitor in the LCD backlight
>>>> power.  I have not actually looking into it yet.
>>> 
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From ajwanschura at gmail.com  Mon Apr 12 14:34:16 2021
From: ajwanschura at gmail.com (Tony - KM0O)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 11:34:16 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 cw rise time
Message-ID: <1618252456669-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hello,

This subject came up in a recent conversation, and I had to admit that I do
not know the cw rise time of my K3. It's s/n 444, and does not have the cw
rise time mod that elecraft sells. The firmware is the current version.

I read somewhere that the rise time was decreased in a previous firmware
issue, but I don't know if that's true.

It was originally 8ms, I think, which is unnecessarily long.

Can anyone help?

73,
Tony   KM0O




--
Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Apr 12 14:47:02 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 11:47:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 cw rise time
In-Reply-To: <1618252456669-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1618252456669-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <b7ff378d-cb32-dc65-d985-f94b0cfb8e20@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 4/12/2021 11:34 AM, Tony - KM0O wrote:
> I read somewhere that the rise time was decreased in a previous firmware
> issue, but I don't know if that's true.

Beginning with the earliest K3s, all Elecraft rigs use carefully shaped 
keying to minimize clicks while maximizing readability. Wayne describes 
it as a "sigmoidal" shape, describing the math function he used. It's 
keying bandwidth as compared to other rigs can been seen here.

http://k9yc.com/TXNoise.pdf  (ARRL Lab data)

and here

http://k9yc.com/P3_Spectrum_Measurements.pdf (My data)

73, Jim K9YC

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Apr 12 14:55:34 2021
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 13:55:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Failure and such
Message-ID: <2D24FD79-FC43-4DA0-AEA1-4AFCC8780287@blomand.net>

I?ve always found and was taught that one should not just dump the power on station shut-down. This could be the cause of many mysterious and lucid operation 

 Likewise; on power up:
(A). Power supply on first
(B). Transceiver on next
(C). P3 on if not powered from the K3
(D). KAT500 on if not powered from the K3

Shutdown the items in reverse order. NEVER just dump the power as there is a Power Down Imminent (PDI) circuit which saves data and then correctly shuts down the systems. 

73
Bob, K4TAX

Sent from my iPhone


From jasimmons at pinewooddata.com  Mon Apr 12 14:56:41 2021
From: jasimmons at pinewooddata.com (John Simmons)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 13:56:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 cw rise time
In-Reply-To: <b7ff378d-cb32-dc65-d985-f94b0cfb8e20@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <1618252456669-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<b7ff378d-cb32-dc65-d985-f94b0cfb8e20@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <6812679e-9cc4-926b-faa4-887577932344@pinewooddata.com>

I still think Drake 4-line had the best-sounding CW note. Has anyone 
measured it?

-de John NI0K

Jim Brown wrote on 4/12/2021 1:47 PM:
> On 4/12/2021 11:34 AM, Tony - KM0O wrote:
>> I read somewhere that the rise time was decreased in a previous firmware
>> issue, but I don't know if that's true.
>
> Beginning with the earliest K3s, all Elecraft rigs use carefully 
> shaped keying to minimize clicks while maximizing readability. Wayne 
> describes it as a "sigmoidal" shape, describing the math function he 
> used. It's keying bandwidth as compared to other rigs can been seen here.
>
> http://k9yc.com/TXNoise.pdf? (ARRL Lab data)
>
> and here
>
> http://k9yc.com/P3_Spectrum_Measurements.pdf (My data)
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From dave at nk7z.net  Mon Apr 12 15:19:34 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 12:19:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Failure and such
In-Reply-To: <2D24FD79-FC43-4DA0-AEA1-4AFCC8780287@blomand.net>
References: <2D24FD79-FC43-4DA0-AEA1-4AFCC8780287@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <67da28db-30ef-253d-dc80-62fdb6abedb7@nk7z.net>

In my case, I use the K3 power switch to shut down the station rig and 
P3.  Thanks!

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 4/12/21 11:55 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> I?ve always found and was taught that one should not just dump the power on station shut-down. This could be the cause of many mysterious and lucid operation
> 
>   Likewise; on power up:
> (A). Power supply on first
> (B). Transceiver on next
> (C). P3 on if not powered from the K3
> (D). KAT500 on if not powered from the K3
> 
> Shutdown the items in reverse order. NEVER just dump the power as there is a Power Down Imminent (PDI) circuit which saves data and then correctly shuts down the systems.
> 
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Apr 12 15:55:37 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 12:55:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Failure and such
In-Reply-To: <67da28db-30ef-253d-dc80-62fdb6abedb7@nk7z.net>
References: <2D24FD79-FC43-4DA0-AEA1-4AFCC8780287@blomand.net>
	<67da28db-30ef-253d-dc80-62fdb6abedb7@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <988e7c30-52b2-c93d-1ea2-3d6a7c329e37@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 4/12/2021 12:19 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
> In my case, I use the K3 power switch to shut down the station rig and P3.

That's I do, sort of -- I use my #1 K3's 12V accessory output to drive a 
relay that turns off everything in my station except the other radio. 
The K3s are fed with short, fat copper from a 100Ah LiFePO4 battery; 
everything else runs from a 100Ah SLA battery. That SLA's load includes 
antenna switching, P3/SVGAs, three video monitors, two LP100A power 
monitors, and LED strips that are task-lighting for the operating position.

Batteries are float charged using re-purposed Thinkpad power supplies 
with Genasun solar charge regulators.

73, Jim K9YC

From K8UT at charter.net  Mon Apr 12 16:35:57 2021
From: K8UT at charter.net (Larry (K8UT))
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 20:35:57 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 cw rise time
In-Reply-To: <1618252456669-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1618252456669-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <em63823718-54d7-4abd-92de-55587e9c9a7d@k8ut-pc>

Tony,

 >...8ms, I think, which is unnecessarily long.

Just yesterday, Rob Sherwood gave a Zoom presentation to the local 
SLAARC titled "Transmitter Spectral Purity." He spoke at length about 
the evils of fast rise times and cited the optimal rise time as between 
6 and 8 ms.
The Elecraft K3 line was described as one of the best behaved CW rigs, 
with a rise time of 6ms
Yaesu rigs were denounced for being user-configurable from 1ms to 8ms, 
giving owners an opportunity to litter the bands with shorter times and 
key clicks.
Slightly over 60 minutes long: https://youtu.be/EKCKkV5Nowo

-larry (K8UT)

------ Original Message ------
From: "Tony - KM0O" <ajwanschura at gmail.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Sent: 2021-04-12 14:34:16
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 cw rise time

>Hello,
>
>This subject came up in a recent conversation, and I had to admit that I do
>not know the cw rise time of my K3. It's s/n 444, and does not have the cw
>rise time mod that elecraft sells. The firmware is the current version.
>
>I read somewhere that the rise time was decreased in a previous firmware
>issue, but I don't know if that's true.
>
>It was originally 8ms, I think, which is unnecessarily long.
>
>Can anyone help?
>
>73,
>Tony   KM0O
>
>
>
>
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From w4sc at windstream.net  Mon Apr 12 18:37:35 2021
From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 18:37:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question
Message-ID: <88.3F.12620.0BBC4706@smtp02.aqua.bos.sync.lan>

I had a similar problem.

I purchased a P3 kit in 2015, assembled, and it worked well.  The firmware as received, was a rev behind.  Trying to upgrade via the normal method, was unable to accomplish.  Trying to force an upgrade, was unsuccessful.  Had to return for warranty repair.  The EEPROM was corrupted.

All was OK until about 4 years ago, the P3, occasionally, would not boot up. I received some guidance from one of the engineers, to check a capacitor in the P3 power supply.  If it was a tantalum  (10 uF I believe), it was the incorrect value, and to change to 0.1uf (1206 sized).  After the capacitor change, no more powerup issues.  I believe there was a supply sequencing issue. 

I am looking for the details, and when found, I will post.

Ben W4SC

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From dave at nk7z.net  Mon Apr 12 20:20:15 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 17:20:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Failure, and question
In-Reply-To: <88.3F.12620.0BBC4706@smtp02.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
References: <88.3F.12620.0BBC4706@smtp02.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
Message-ID: <4827aaa6-f846-9bdd-7bc8-456bafe2f99f@nk7z.net>

Hi Ben,
Thank you for the information!!!  I will look to see if that cap is wrong!

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 4/12/21 3:37 PM, w4sc wrote:
> I had a similar problem.
> 
> I purchased a P3 kit in 2015, assembled, and it worked well.  The firmware as received, was a rev behind.  Trying to upgrade via the normal method, was unable to accomplish.  Trying to force an upgrade, was unsuccessful.  Had to return for warranty repair.  The EEPROM was corrupted.
> 
> All was OK until about 4 years ago, the P3, occasionally, would not boot up. I received some guidance from one of the engineers, to check a capacitor in the P3 power supply.  If it was a tantalum  (10 uF I believe), it was the incorrect value, and to change to 0.1uf (1206 sized).  After the capacitor change, no more powerup issues.  I believe there was a supply sequencing issue.
> 
> I am looking for the details, and when found, I will post.
> 
> Ben W4SC
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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From starman10 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 13 10:24:54 2021
From: starman10 at hotmail.com (Lou W0FK)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 07:24:54 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500
Message-ID: <1618323894362-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

  Looking for an Elecraft KPA500 and a KAT500 to pair with my K3S/P3. I?ve
built and owned several of these in the past and am familiar with both units
and current market pricing. Please provide particulars (serial numbers, age,
kit or factory built, asking price shipped to 63141, etc). Payment via
PayPal. 73, Lou W0FK  



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From starman10 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 13 10:29:15 2021
From: starman10 at hotmail.com (Lou W0FK)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 07:29:15 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500
In-Reply-To: <1618323894362-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1618323894362-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1618324155022-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Forgot to add, please contact me only by email, laderman AT earthlink DOT net

73, Lou W0FK 



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From djchase at charter.net  Tue Apr 13 11:03:07 2021
From: djchase at charter.net (djchase)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 11:03:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Questions
Message-ID: <mailman.168.1618326601.3569.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

I am a long time CW operator, but new to this group.? I am considering purchasing a KX2, but I have been unable to find answers to these two questions:1.? What is the approximate current draw for the KX2 on transmit at 5 watts CW?2.? What is the narrowest receiver filter width on CW??Many thanks in advance for any help with these questions.73 es 72,DaveK8RXB?Sent from my Galaxy

From wb0poq at gmail.com  Tue Apr 13 11:32:15 2021
From: wb0poq at gmail.com (Bob Liesen)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 10:32:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Questions
In-Reply-To: <20210413151023.A2E0C149AE62@mail.qsl.net>
References: <20210413151023.A2E0C149AE62@mail.qsl.net>
Message-ID: <CAO9_kpjDAbfWEM7DvoNZKpO64VgJZcY_4hie3S86RSx8A4oiRg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Dave,
  I don't have those numbers in front of me, but wanted to offer that I
have a KX2 and love it.  The learning curve for me was pretty steep in
terms of the menus etc, but YMMV.  I run almost exclusively CW, and find it
performs very well in that mode.   I would strongly recommend the book that
Elecraft offers for this rig, as it is much more detailed than the basic
user manual.

72 es stay well!
Bob  WB0POQ

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 10:10 AM djchase <djchase at charter.net> wrote:

> I am a long time CW operator, but new to this group.  I am considering
> purchasing a KX2, but I have been unable to find answers to these two
> questions:1.  What is the approximate current draw for the KX2 on transmit
> at 5 watts CW?2.  What is the narrowest receiver filter width on CW? Many
> thanks in advance for any help with these questions.73 es 72,DaveK8RXB Sent
> from my Galaxy
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From tson35 at icloud.com  Tue Apr 13 11:36:49 2021
From: tson35 at icloud.com (Tommy Judson)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 10:36:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 204, Issue 6
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7077.1618238296.3572.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.7077.1618238296.3572.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <F1167411-5D7B-48C6-9971-DB3FE03553F3@icloud.com>

Make a bad purchase good?
Bought a KX-2 off the internet and have found that it is missing several of the screws that held the end plates on.  Asked about that and the seller said he tried to put some sort of protective end plates onto the radio but couldn?t do it so threw them away and put the original end plates back on.  What concerns me about just going to the hardware store and getting more screws (that might not be the proper thread/length) is I think two of the screws held the final output transistors onto that end plate which I assume was for that end plate to act as a heatsink.  
The seller said he used the radio and it seemed to be ok but I am concerned about the lack of heatsink/output transistor integrity and any possible damage.
Maybe I?m on the wrong track here because of never seeing a KX-2 before.
The radio looks good - no scratches or dings and the seller told me to find out what is needed to be done to fix it and he?d send that to me.
Any help on this concern would be appreciated.
F.Y.I - the serial number is 03742 and the Firmware is REF5.  Sure would like to know when this radio was made and if this is the latest firmware.
73, Tommy, N5CTC

> On Apr 12, 2021, at 9:38 AM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> 
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From haljr.massey at gmail.com  Tue Apr 13 11:42:27 2021
From: haljr.massey at gmail.com (Hal Massey)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 09:42:27 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 204, Issue 6
In-Reply-To: <F1167411-5D7B-48C6-9971-DB3FE03553F3@icloud.com>
References: <mailman.7077.1618238296.3572.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<F1167411-5D7B-48C6-9971-DB3FE03553F3@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <0FC5B0A3-CF54-4807-ACD7-DD03551AFDBB@gmail.com>

If you have any of the remaining screws then take one to the hardware store when you go. They will do a perfect match for you. They use an aluminum template folds referred to as a Screw Checker to make sure it is correct. The sis not an ?eyeball exercise.? There is nothing about that screw usage that is demanding in terms of material science, etc. 

Regards
-Hal 
WB6NNR (I was a design engineer for 35 years?.You will be fine)

> On Apr 13, 2021, at 9:36 AM, Tommy Judson via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Make a bad purchase good?
> Bought a KX-2 off the internet and have found that it is missing several of the screws that held the end plates on.  Asked about that and the seller said he tried to put some sort of protective end plates onto the radio but couldn?t do it so threw them away and put the original end plates back on.  What concerns me about just going to the hardware store and getting more screws (that might not be the proper thread/length) is I think two of the screws held the final output transistors onto that end plate which I assume was for that end plate to act as a heatsink.  
> The seller said he used the radio and it seemed to be ok but I am concerned about the lack of heatsink/output transistor integrity and any possible damage.
> Maybe I?m on the wrong track here because of never seeing a KX-2 before.
> The radio looks good - no scratches or dings and the seller told me to find out what is needed to be done to fix it and he?d send that to me.
> Any help on this concern would be appreciated.
> F.Y.I - the serial number is 03742 and the Firmware is REF5.  Sure would like to know when this radio was made and if this is the latest firmware.
> 73, Tommy, N5CTC
> 
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From w8lvn.9 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 13 11:56:10 2021
From: w8lvn.9 at gmail.com (Bill Lederer)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 10:56:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Questions
In-Reply-To: <CAO9_kpjDAbfWEM7DvoNZKpO64VgJZcY_4hie3S86RSx8A4oiRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20210413151023.A2E0C149AE62@mail.qsl.net>
	<CAO9_kpjDAbfWEM7DvoNZKpO64VgJZcY_4hie3S86RSx8A4oiRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADF0M0O99cAXXOrZ=KK_htZhQYq0dPxLDUn1boQYnnM+oun4EA@mail.gmail.com>

I have the kx2 and absolutely love it.

1.  What is the approximate current draw for the KX2 on transmit at 5 watts
CW?2.

At 10 watts, it is 1.87 amps. At 5 watts, it is 1.49 amps. Receive is about
0.15 amps.



2. What is the narrowest receiver filter width on CW?

It goes down to 0.05 kHz.



On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 10:33 AM Bob Liesen <wb0poq at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>   I don't have those numbers in front of me, but wanted to offer that I
> have a KX2 and love it.  The learning curve for me was pretty steep in
> terms of the menus etc, but YMMV.  I run almost exclusively CW, and find it
> performs very well in that mode.   I would strongly recommend the book that
> Elecraft offers for this rig, as it is much more detailed than the basic
> user manual.
>
> 72 es stay well!
> Bob  WB0POQ
>
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 10:10 AM djchase <djchase at charter.net> wrote:
>
> > I am a long time CW operator, but new to this group.  I am considering
> > purchasing a KX2, but I have been unable to find answers to these two
> > questions:1.  What is the approximate current draw for the KX2 on
> transmit
> > at 5 watts CW?2.  What is the narrowest receiver filter width on CW? Many
> > thanks in advance for any help with these questions.73 es 72,DaveK8RXB
> Sent
> > from my Galaxy
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Tue Apr 13 12:03:27 2021
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 09:03:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Questions
In-Reply-To: <20210413151005.90444149AE13@mail.qsl.net>
References: <20210413151005.90444149AE13@mail.qsl.net>
Message-ID: <9B9C3C7F-44A2-4D21-BB92-718E5CB279B5@elecraft.com>

Hi Dave,

> On Apr 13, 2021, at 8:03 AM, djchase <djchase at charter.net> wrote:
> 
> I am a long time CW operator, but new to this group.  I am considering purchasing a KX2, but I have been unable to find answers to these two questions:1.  What is the approximate current draw for the KX2 on transmit at 5 watts CW?

Typically 1.2 to 1.5 amps, varying somewhat with supply voltage and load impedance.

 
> 2.  What is the narrowest receiver filter width on CW?

50 Hz primary audio filter, 30 Hz audio-peaking filter (APF). These can be controlled independently. The bandpass can be widened up to about 4 kHz, as well as shifted. The KX2 also has DSP-based noise blanking, auto-notch, and noise reduction.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


From wunder at wunderwood.org  Tue Apr 13 12:19:56 2021
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 09:19:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Questions
In-Reply-To: <20210413151124.CC442149AE64@mail.qsl.net>
References: <20210413151124.CC442149AE64@mail.qsl.net>
Message-ID: <7A0ED00D-F9E6-45B0-A95F-00AFC58FF383@wunderwood.org>

From the KX-line brochure, the filter passband is variable from 50 to 4000 Hz. The audio peaking filter goes narrower than that.

https://ftp.elecraft.com/KX3/Manuals%20Downloads/kxline-11_16.pdf

The specs give a current of 1 to 2 A at 10 W. That varies based on the supply voltage, so you need to pick a voltage to get a good answer for that. 

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Apr 13, 2021, at 8:03 AM, djchase <djchase at charter.net> wrote:
> 
> I am a long time CW operator, but new to this group.  I am considering purchasing a KX2, but I have been unable to find answers to these two questions:1.  What is the approximate current draw for the KX2 on transmit at 5 watts CW?2.  What is the narrowest receiver filter width on CW? Many thanks in advance for any help with these questions.73 es 72,DaveK8RXB Sent from my Galaxy
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From clawsoncw at gmail.com  Tue Apr 13 12:29:38 2021
From: clawsoncw at gmail.com (Carl Clawson)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 09:29:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 cw rise time
In-Reply-To: <1618252456669-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1618252456669-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CABS7SRDDhcMzKtXGR-qgPhqfCKLgnr+tLh1DZd+VtgGyJH3pvQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tony. According to the K3 mod page, this was introduced at about s/n 280
so you're good to go.

You made me wonder why I hadn't heard of it! I have K3 #486 and I've done
almost every mod that they have come up with..

73, Carl WS7L

On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 11:35 AM Tony - KM0O <ajwanschura at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> This subject came up in a recent conversation, and I had to admit that I do
> not know the cw rise time of my K3. It's s/n 444, and does not have the cw
> rise time mod that elecraft sells. The firmware is the current version.
>
> I read somewhere that the rise time was decreased in a previous firmware
> issue, but I don't know if that's true.
>
> It was originally 8ms, I think, which is unnecessarily long.
>
> Can anyone help?
>
> 73,
> Tony   KM0O
>
>
>
>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Apr 13 12:48:11 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 09:48:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 204, Issue 6
In-Reply-To: <F1167411-5D7B-48C6-9971-DB3FE03553F3@icloud.com>
References: <mailman.7077.1618238296.3572.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<F1167411-5D7B-48C6-9971-DB3FE03553F3@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <3e8216a0-6ad2-a930-c0a6-9424fd44341a@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 4/13/2021 8:36 AM, Tommy Judson via Elecraft wrote:
> Bought a KX-2 off the internet and have found that it is missing several of the screws that held the end plates on.  Asked about that and the seller said he tried to put some sort of protective end plates onto the radio but couldn?t do it so threw them away and put the original end plates back on.  What concerns me about just going to the hardware store and getting more screws (that might not be the proper thread/length) is I think two of the screws held the final output transistors onto that end plate which I assume was for that end plate to act as a heatsink.
> The seller said he used the radio and it seemed to be ok but I am concerned about the lack of heatsink/output transistor integrity and any possible damage.

Sounds like the seller was a sucker for aftermarket stuff. Elecraft 
products are well designed. The screws are all standard English units. 
Most of are 4-40, smaller ones are 2-56.

I've NEVER thrown away screws -- I probably have close to a thousand, 
sorted into plastic drawers by size. Ditto for lots of other mechanical 
and electronic parts.

73, Jim K9YC

From clawsoncw at gmail.com  Tue Apr 13 12:49:23 2021
From: clawsoncw at gmail.com (Carl Clawson)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 09:49:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Another way to pass time waiting for my K4 - building a
	K2
Message-ID: <CABS7SRA+CWGKN2w7G_0E8z9KJ5JRpzotyQK7NuSKiP6OccG4oQ@mail.gmail.com>

I was late getting in the queue -- I ordered it after I flew home on the
Tuesday after Dayton 2019. It'll be interesting to see when it comes and
what serial number I get.

So I bought a K2 and am now building it. I was on the verge of doing that
in 2007 when the K3 was announced so I built the K3 instead. The K2's time
has finally come. I just got to the first test stage.

I don't know what I'll do with it once it's built. Sell it, keep it as a
loaner for new HF ops in one of my clubs, who knows?

I love the smell of rosin in the morning.

73 and thanks for listening -- Carl WS7L

From radiomemory at gmail.com  Tue Apr 13 13:38:43 2021
From: radiomemory at gmail.com (Gary Memory)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 13:38:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Questions
In-Reply-To: <CAPoA2FXAh8adqEn3Z=aE_XEW_YoyXWpxc3NCjr_OYn99FOvUWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20210413151124.CC442149AE64@mail.qsl.net>
	<7A0ED00D-F9E6-45B0-A95F-00AFC58FF383@wunderwood.org>
	<CAPoA2FXAh8adqEn3Z=aE_XEW_YoyXWpxc3NCjr_OYn99FOvUWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPoA2FV0XU3Pk5CZgodPaZ4Mt+2=gO39adrsys-oc1hTv0T=8A@mail.gmail.com>

Resending....sent to Walter only by mistake.

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 13:36 Gary Memory <radiomemory at gmail.com> wrote:

> I?ve had my KX2 for a couple years now.  Have taken it with me on dozes of
> trips and hikes.  Done FD with it (to be sure, I didn?t place or win
> anything...by far!).  I use several different external battery packs
> depending on where and what I am doing.  I also keep a charged Elecraft
> battery pack internally.
>
> I?ve always been curious what my battery draw is. This query caused me to
> test it.  Setup:  Internal battery removed.  Antenna is a 1 foot BNC jumper
> into a bird, 25 W slug, bird dummy load on the other side.  External
> battery, Zippy Compact 8400 LiFe, fully charged.  Power connections Johnson
> PP, including a inline blade fuse holder, both POS and Gnd fuses.  Fluke
> meter, measured at the inline fuse holder (volts measured from top of
> fuses, and amps measured by removing the POS fuse and then inserting meter
> leads into the fuse socket.
>
> Results:
> Receive - 13.1 V, .17 A
> TX (XMT button held down until TX is locked ON then turning the PWR up for
> as much RF as it would produce)  12.9 V, 2.2A, bird showing 8 W
>
> Not scientific.  Test gear is not calibrated, but good enuf for me.  I was
> simply curious and have never taken the time.  In the end, I love this
> radio!  Completely perfect for my wants and needs.
>
> Gary, N7BRJ
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 12:21 Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org>
> wrote:
>
>> From the KX-line brochure, the filter passband is variable from 50 to
>> 4000 Hz. The audio peaking filter goes narrower than that.
>>
>> https://ftp.elecraft.com/KX3/Manuals%20Downloads/kxline-11_16.pdf
>>
>> The specs give a current of 1 to 2 A at 10 W. That varies based on the
>> supply voltage, so you need to pick a voltage to get a good answer for
>> that.
>>
>> wunder
>> K6WRU
>> Walter Underwood
>> CM87wj
>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>>
>> > On Apr 13, 2021, at 8:03 AM, djchase <djchase at charter.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > I am a long time CW operator, but new to this group.  I am considering
>> purchasing a KX2, but I have been unable to find answers to these two
>> questions:1.  What is the approximate current draw for the KX2 on transmit
>> at 5 watts CW?2.  What is the narrowest receiver filter width on CW? Many
>> thanks in advance for any help with these questions.73 es 72,DaveK8RXB Sent
>> from my Galaxy
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From jimfinan at live.com  Tue Apr 13 14:18:06 2021
From: jimfinan at live.com (Jim Finan)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 18:18:06 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 204, Issue 6
In-Reply-To: <3e8216a0-6ad2-a930-c0a6-9424fd44341a@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <mailman.7077.1618238296.3572.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<F1167411-5D7B-48C6-9971-DB3FE03553F3@icloud.com>,
	<3e8216a0-6ad2-a930-c0a6-9424fd44341a@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <BN6PR1001MB23885BEC96FD200C9656D519A34F9@BN6PR1001MB2388.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

You may want to verify whether Elecraft specifies Thermal Material where the transistors attach.

My K3 and K3s both do. Haven?t disassembled my KX2.

73,

Jim
AB4AC

Jim Finan

jimfinan at live.com
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Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 12:48:11 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 204, Issue 6

On 4/13/2021 8:36 AM, Tommy Judson via Elecraft wrote:
> Bought a KX-2 off the internet and have found that it is missing several of the screws that held the end plates on.  Asked about that and the seller said he tried to put some sort of protective end plates onto the radio but couldn?t do it so threw them away and put the original end plates back on.  What concerns me about just going to the hardware store and getting more screws (that might not be the proper thread/length) is I think two of the screws held the final output transistors onto that end plate which I assume was for that end plate to act as a heatsink.
> The seller said he used the radio and it seemed to be ok but I am concerned about the lack of heatsink/output transistor integrity and any possible damage.

Sounds like the seller was a sucker for aftermarket stuff. Elecraft
products are well designed. The screws are all standard English units.
Most of are 4-40, smaller ones are 2-56.

I've NEVER thrown away screws -- I probably have close to a thousand,
sorted into plastic drawers by size. Ditto for lots of other mechanical
and electronic parts.

73, Jim K9YC
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From don at w3fpr.com  Tue Apr 13 17:48:42 2021
From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 17:48:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 204, Issue 6
In-Reply-To: <F1167411-5D7B-48C6-9971-DB3FE03553F3@icloud.com>
References: <mailman.7077.1618238296.3572.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<F1167411-5D7B-48C6-9971-DB3FE03553F3@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <ee60fd79-28da-81c8-3c94-4edafeb4cb0c@w3fpr.com>

Tommy,

I highly recommend that you get the proper screws from Elecraft to be 
certain they are the correct length.
Hardware store screw are normally not available in black, so why mess up 
the appearance of your KX2 with zinc plated screws.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/13/2021 11:36 AM, Tommy Judson via Elecraft wrote:
> Make a bad purchase good?
> Bought a KX-2 off the internet and have found that it is missing several of the screws that held the end plates on.  Asked about that and the seller said he tried to put some sort of protective end plates onto the radio but couldn?t do it so threw them away and put the original end plates back on.  What concerns me about just going to the hardware store and getting more screws (that might not be the proper thread/length) is I think two of the screws held the final output transistors onto that end plate which I assume was for that end plate to act as a heatsink.
>


From wa6vab at gmail.com  Tue Apr 13 19:30:05 2021
From: wa6vab at gmail.com (Ray)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 16:30:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 204, Issue 6
In-Reply-To: <ee60fd79-28da-81c8-3c94-4edafeb4cb0c@w3fpr.com>
References: <mailman.7077.1618238296.3572.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<F1167411-5D7B-48C6-9971-DB3FE03553F3@icloud.com>
	<ee60fd79-28da-81c8-3c94-4edafeb4cb0c@w3fpr.com>
Message-ID: <6076297e.1c69fb81.10022.91d5@mx.google.com>

Ace Hardware has some screws in Black.
WA6VAB   Ray K3 #3824 



From: Don Wilhelm
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 2:49 PM
To: Tommy Judson; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 204, Issue 6

Tommy,

I highly recommend that you get the proper screws from Elecraft to be 
certain they are the correct length.
Hardware store screw are normally not available in black, so why mess up 
the appearance of your KX2 with zinc plated screws.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/13/2021 11:36 AM, Tommy Judson via Elecraft wrote:
> Make a bad purchase good?
> Bought a KX-2 off the internet and have found that it is missing several of the screws that held the end plates on.  Asked about that and the seller said he tried to put some sort of protective end plates onto the radio but couldn?t do it so threw them away and put the original end plates back on.  What concerns me about just going to the hardware store and getting more screws (that might not be the proper thread/length) is I think two of the screws held the final output transistors onto that end plate which I assume was for that end plate to act as a heatsink.
>

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From louandzip at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 13 22:10:15 2021
From: louandzip at yahoo.com (Louandzip)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 02:10:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 204, Issue 6
In-Reply-To: <6076297e.1c69fb81.10022.91d5@mx.google.com>
References: <mailman.7077.1618238296.3572.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<F1167411-5D7B-48C6-9971-DB3FE03553F3@icloud.com>
	<ee60fd79-28da-81c8-3c94-4edafeb4cb0c@w3fpr.com>
	<6076297e.1c69fb81.10022.91d5@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <733681015.1026724.1618366215221@mail.yahoo.com>

 I usually go to McMaster for specific fasteners not easily found at hardware stores:? Here's their 6-32 and 4-40 black oxide flat head philips stainless machine screws.?? Of course they have pan head, socket cap, and other styles as well.
https://www.mcmaster.com/fastening-joining/flat-head-screws/phillips-flat-head-screws/thread-size~6-32/finish~black-oxide/thread-size~4-40/
    On Tuesday, April 13, 2021, 5:31:57 PM MDT, Ray <wa6vab at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Ace Hardware has some screws in Black.
WA6VAB? Ray K3 #3824 



From: Don Wilhelm
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 2:49 PM
To: Tommy Judson; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 204, Issue 6

Tommy,

I highly recommend that you get the proper screws from Elecraft to be 
certain they are the correct length.
Hardware store screw are normally not available in black, so why mess up 
the appearance of your KX2 with zinc plated screws.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/13/2021 11:36 AM, Tommy Judson via Elecraft wrote:
> Make a bad purchase good?
> Bought a KX-2 off the internet and have found that it is missing several of the screws that held the end plates on.? Asked about that and the seller said he tried to put some sort of protective end plates onto the radio but couldn?t do it so threw them away and put the original end plates back on.? What concerns me about just going to the hardware store and getting more screws (that might not be the proper thread/length) is I think two of the screws held the final output transistors onto that end plate which I assume was for that end plate to act as a heatsink.
>

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From louandzip at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 13 22:11:59 2021
From: louandzip at yahoo.com (Louandzip)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 02:11:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 204, Issue 6
In-Reply-To: <733681015.1026724.1618366215221@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.7077.1618238296.3572.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<F1167411-5D7B-48C6-9971-DB3FE03553F3@icloud.com>
	<ee60fd79-28da-81c8-3c94-4edafeb4cb0c@w3fpr.com>
	<6076297e.1c69fb81.10022.91d5@mx.google.com>
	<733681015.1026724.1618366215221@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <382072651.900766.1618366319505@mail.yahoo.com>

 Oops.? That link didn't work as intended, but it's very easy to drill down on the McMaster site and find what you need.
Lou W7HV

    On Tuesday, April 13, 2021, 8:10:15 PM MDT, Louandzip <louandzip at yahoo.com> wrote:  
 
  I usually go to McMaster for specific fasteners not easily found at hardware stores:? Here's their 6-32 and 4-40 black oxide flat head philips stainless machine screws.?? Of course they have pan head, socket cap, and other styles as well.
https://www.mcmaster.com/fastening-joining/flat-head-screws/phillips-flat-head-screws/thread-size~6-32/finish~black-oxide/thread-size~4-40/
    On Tuesday, April 13, 2021, 5:31:57 PM MDT, Ray <wa6vab at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Ace Hardware has some screws in Black.
WA6VAB? Ray K3 #3824 



From: Don Wilhelm
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 2:49 PM
To: Tommy Judson; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 204, Issue 6

Tommy,

I highly recommend that you get the proper screws from Elecraft to be 
certain they are the correct length.
Hardware store screw are normally not available in black, so why mess up 
the appearance of your KX2 with zinc plated screws.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/13/2021 11:36 AM, Tommy Judson via Elecraft wrote:
> Make a bad purchase good?
> Bought a KX-2 off the internet and have found that it is missing several of the screws that held the end plates on.? Asked about that and the seller said he tried to put some sort of protective end plates onto the radio but couldn?t do it so threw them away and put the original end plates back on.? What concerns me about just going to the hardware store and getting more screws (that might not be the proper thread/length) is I think two of the screws held the final output transistors onto that end plate which I assume was for that end plate to act as a heatsink.
>

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From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Wed Apr 14 10:23:14 2021
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (ke9uw)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 07:23:14 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 204, Issue 6
In-Reply-To: <F1167411-5D7B-48C6-9971-DB3FE03553F3@icloud.com>
References: <F1167411-5D7B-48C6-9971-DB3FE03553F3@icloud.com>
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I ordered a supply of the various screws at Elecraft just to have them at
hand incase one got away from me.
Also I can replace one that gets accidently worn a bit.



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From bobac1z.nh at gmail.com  Wed Apr 14 13:45:05 2021
From: bobac1z.nh at gmail.com (Bob Daniels)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 13:45:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Microphone
Message-ID: <CAMhOqrbsZYJf20aayneCXiGf_1uc5zBoo3nu2Ce7DqkgSzmpMQ@mail.gmail.com>

Looking for a mini microphone compatible with the KX2? Any suggestions?

From elanzl at sbcglobal.net  Thu Apr 15 08:43:16 2021
From: elanzl at sbcglobal.net (Eric Lanzl)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 12:43:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Net for 4-11-2021
References: <1300804909.1655636.1618490596930.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1300804909.1655636.1618490596930@mail.yahoo.com>

Here is the list of stations checking in to the 20m SSB Net for April 11,2021List of SSB Nets:
20M net 14.303.5 alternate 14.310 at 1800Z40M net? 7280? 1900ZZoom meeting 2000Z contact Carl K8NU for the link75M net 0100Z about 3775 frequency may change due to use
Anyone is welcome to join the nets no Elecraft equipment is necessary
Eric WB9JNZ

Call????????? Name??? State????? Radio??? Serial #? QRP???????????????????????????? Notes

WB9JNZ????? Eric?????????? IL????????????? K3???????????? 4017????????? ???????????????????????????????????? NetControl

K8NU/7?????? Carl?????????? OH/WA???? Icom???????? 7100????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

AE6JV???????? Bill??????????? NH??????????? K3???????????? 6299????????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

N7BDL??????? Terry???????? AZ??????????? K3S?????????? 10373??????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K2VJK???????? Vern????????? NY??????????? K3???????????? 6995????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K1NW????????? Brian???????? RI????????????? K3???????????? 4974????????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

NC0JW??????? Jim??????????? CO??????????? KX3????????? 1356????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

W5SV????????? Dave???????? TX??????????? K3???????????? 5354????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

W1NGA?????? Al????????????? CO??????????? Flex?????????? 6400M????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

NS7P??????????? Phil??????????? OR??????????? K3???????????? 1826????????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

K7BRR??????? Bill??????????? AZ??????????? YaesuFT? DX 101???? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K5PD?????????? Pete?????????? TX??????????? K3???????????? 545??????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

AB7CE???????? Roy?????????? MT??????????? K2/100????? 40????????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

WW4JF??????? John????????? TN??????????? K3S?????????? 11177??????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

KX9U????????? Ken?????????? IN???????????? KX3????????? 1179????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

WM6P????????? Steve???????? GA??????????? K3S?????????? 11453??????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

K6WDE?????? David??????? CA??????????? KX3????????? 4599????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

N0MPM?????? Mike????????? IA???????????? KX3????????? 8820????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

W4DML?????? Doug???????? TN??????????? K3???????????? 6433????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K6VWE?????? Stan?????????? MI???????????? K3???????????? 650??????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

W7QHD?????? Kurt?????????? AZ??????????? K2/100????? 1538????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

From elanzl at sbcglobal.net  Thu Apr 15 08:59:13 2021
From: elanzl at sbcglobal.net (Eric Lanzl)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 12:59:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] SSB 75 M net 4-11-2021
References: <1431929683.1671182.1618491553970.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1431929683.1671182.1618491553970@mail.yahoo.com>

Since Paul is away here is the list of stations checking in to the 75 M net last Sunday
WB9JNZ?? Eric??????? IL?????? K3??????? Net Control
WM6P????? Steve???? GA???? K3S? ? ? Relay station
N8SBE???? Dave?????? MI?? ? K3SAE6JV????? Bill???????? K3???? K3??? ? ?? Relay stationWY3T????? Tim???????? FL????? K3S ? ??  Relay stationK8NU?????? Carl??????? OH? ?? FT 101DXWW4JF ?? John?????? TN ? ? K3S ? ?? Relay stationNC0JW ? ? Jim??? ? ?? CO ?? KX3 ? ?? Relay station 
WM0L???? Lance????? NB???? K3????? 

Eric WB9JNZ

From aa2zj at juno.com  Thu Apr 15 09:22:06 2021
From: aa2zj at juno.com (Gerry Miller)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 13:22:06 GMT
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 POWER ON ISSUE
Message-ID: <20210415.092206.2070.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>

HI FOLKS,  I HAVE BEN RUNNING MY KX3 ON A GELL CELL WITH NO PROBLEM UNTIL THE BATTERY REACHED 9V.  AT THAT POINT KX3 TURNED OFF.  TRIED TO RESTART TWO TIMES BUT NO LUCK.  AT THIS POINT RIG WILL NOT POWER UP.KX3 SN 49XX WITH SW MCU 2,76 & DSP 1.50.   ANY SUGGETIONS?TNX IN ADVANCEGERRY, AA2ZJ at JUNO.COM

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From aa2zj at juno.com  Thu Apr 15 09:25:18 2021
From: aa2zj at juno.com (Gerry Miller)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 13:25:18 GMT
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 POWER ON ISSUE
Message-ID: <20210415.092518.2070.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>

I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT NEW BATTERY POWERING THE RIG HAD NO EFFECT AND THE RIG WILL STILL NOT TURN ON.   AA2ZJ

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From ab7echo at gmail.com  Thu Apr 15 13:33:04 2021
From: ab7echo at gmail.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 10:33:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft W2 Wattmeter for sale ... needs repair
Message-ID: <6575b61b-7dbf-0e33-f61d-6e327baafd70@gmail.com>


I have a W2 wattmeter with the 2 KW sensor that no longer functions.? 
I'm almost certain that the sensor element got zapped when one of the 
high power thick film resistors in my homebrew dummy load popped.? The 
bar graph on the meter now always reads infinite SWR but otherwise seems 
to work fine, and I've swapped out the RJ-45 cable so I know that isn't 
the problem.? Nothing is obviously amiss inside the sensor element, but 
I'm pretty sure that's where the problem is.

Anyway, I've switched to a different passive wattmeter and it seems like 
someone should be able to make use of my W2 ... either by buying a new 
sensor element from Elecraft or by trying to get them to repair this one 
for a reasonable fee.

Best reasonable offer, and I'll pay domestic shipping via USPS.

73,
Dave?? AB7E


From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 02:24:46 2021
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 09:24:46 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft W2 Wattmeter for sale ... needs repair
In-Reply-To: <6575b61b-7dbf-0e33-f61d-6e327baafd70@gmail.com>
References: <6575b61b-7dbf-0e33-f61d-6e327baafd70@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <df1a393c-8474-fad7-489d-75cd56634252@gmail.com>


From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 02:30:29 2021
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 09:30:29 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft W2 Wattmeter for sale ... needs repair
In-Reply-To: <6575b61b-7dbf-0e33-f61d-6e327baafd70@gmail.com>
References: <6575b61b-7dbf-0e33-f61d-6e327baafd70@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4f07afbf-c05a-e45d-3290-b3f3d08db9c8@gmail.com>



I'd buy it just for the fun of fixing it if I still lived in the USA!

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
CWops #5
Formerly K2VCO
https://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 15/04/2021 20:33, David Gilbert wrote:
> 
> I have a W2 wattmeter with the 2 KW sensor that no longer functions.
I'm almost certain that the sensor element got zapped when one of the
high power thick film resistors in my homebrew dummy load popped.  The
bar graph on the meter now always reads infinite SWR but otherwise seems
to work fine, and I've swapped out the RJ-45 cable so I know that isn't
the problem.  Nothing is obviously amiss inside the sensor element, but
I'm pretty sure that's where the problem is.
> 
> Anyway, I've switched to a different passive wattmeter and it seems
like someone should be able to make use of my W2 ... either by buying a
new sensor element from Elecraft or by trying to get them to repair this
one for a reasonable fee.
> 
> Best reasonable offer, and I'll pay domestic shipping via USPS.
> 
> 73, Dave   AB7E
>

From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Fri Apr 16 10:35:57 2021
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (ke9uw)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 07:35:57 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft W2 Wattmeter for sale ... needs repair
In-Reply-To: <df1a393c-8474-fad7-489d-75cd56634252@gmail.com>
References: <6575b61b-7dbf-0e33-f61d-6e327baafd70@gmail.com>
	<df1a393c-8474-fad7-489d-75cd56634252@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1618583757238-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Tempting, but I already have one. These are expensive or I'd bid on it for
fun too. Should be an easy fix...maybe.



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From w4sc at windstream.net  Fri Apr 16 12:38:45 2021
From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 12:38:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3A switching frequencies and  performance
Message-ID: <B0.85.26959.59DB9706@smtp01.aqua.bos.sync.lan>

Looking for details of switch over frequencies and expected performance of the KBPF3A in its various bands, 

There is improvement in the BCB and below 500KHz with the KBPF3A enabled, however the other SW BCB bands I have tried are lacking.

Has anyone measured the performance of the KBPF3A?

Ben W4SC

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Fri Apr 16 13:32:22 2021
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 10:32:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Do not use K4 "Restore Defaults" button
Message-ID: <3E054888-4422-47CE-98A7-435A7EC7FBBE@elecraft.com>

In the UPDATE function of the K4, there's a DETAILS button which leads to a tentative backup/restore feature. This will be replaced by a new backup/restore function (CONFIG) that's easier to use and accessible at the top level.

One of the buttons on the current Backup/Restore screen is "Restore Defaults," which does a full reset to factory defaults. We intended to remove this because it resets TX GAIN calibration and other data. This, too, will be handled in a more nuanced fashion under the CONFIG function.

Please don't use "Restore Defaults". 

While the backup/restore routines work, we'd suggest not using these either. CONFIG will do a much better job of managing your backup needs.

Thanks,

Wayne
N6KR




From rich at wc3t.us  Fri Apr 16 13:46:24 2021
From: rich at wc3t.us (rich at wc3t.us)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 13:46:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Do not use K4 "Restore Defaults" button
In-Reply-To: <3E054888-4422-47CE-98A7-435A7EC7FBBE@elecraft.com>
References: <3E054888-4422-47CE-98A7-435A7EC7FBBE@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <022401d732e8$6d4244e0$47c6cea0$@wc3t.us>

As you get a round tuit, will these nuances make it into the other models in
the KX-line?   I always hear of the strident warnings of factory restores
hammering the hard-won calibration data and have counted my lucky stars that
I have not had to head down that road with my KX3.

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 13:32
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Do not use K4 "Restore Defaults" button

In the UPDATE function of the K4, there's a DETAILS button which leads to a
tentative backup/restore feature. This will be replaced by a new
backup/restore function (CONFIG) that's easier to use and accessible at the
top level.

One of the buttons on the current Backup/Restore screen is "Restore
Defaults," which does a full reset to factory defaults. We intended to
remove this because it resets TX GAIN calibration and other data. This, too,
will be handled in a more nuanced fashion under the CONFIG function.

Please don't use "Restore Defaults". 

While the backup/restore routines work, we'd suggest not using these either.
CONFIG will do a much better job of managing your backup needs.

Thanks,

Wayne
N6KR



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From don at w3fpr.com  Fri Apr 16 14:13:00 2021
From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 14:13:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Do not use K4 "Restore Defaults" button
In-Reply-To: <022401d732e8$6d4244e0$47c6cea0$@wc3t.us>
References: <3E054888-4422-47CE-98A7-435A7EC7FBBE@elecraft.com>
	<022401d732e8$6d4244e0$47c6cea0$@wc3t.us>
Message-ID: <0f9a40a6-c859-9c13-9eac-17d81f6eb34c@w3fpr.com>

Rich,

That restore function is available in KX3 Utility - Restore 
Configuration.? Of course you should have saved a configuration so you 
can restore it.? Save a configuration any time you make significant 
changes to your KX3 (not a firmware update).? The file is placed in your 
computer.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/16/2021 1:46 PM, rich at wc3t.us wrote:
> As you get a round tuit, will these nuances make it into the other models in
> the KX-line?   I always hear of the strident warnings of factory restores
> hammering the hard-won calibration data and have counted my lucky stars that
> I have not had to head down that road with my KX3.
>
>


From edauer at aya.yale.edu  Fri Apr 16 14:46:25 2021
From: edauer at aya.yale.edu (edauer at aya.yale.edu)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 12:46:25 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Building a K2
Message-ID: <002a01d732f0$cdfe3d90$69fab8b0$@aya.yale.edu>

Carl -

 

Just saw your note on the reflector.  This morning I completed the RF board
on one I've been building since early February.  Al the soldering is done.
The rest is the mechanical parts.

 

It's my fourth K2.  One I keep as a contest backup, two I've sold, and this
one I am donating to a junior high school radio club.  I do them because the
build is an extraordinary experience, made all the better by the excellence
of Elecraft's engineering, (and their support when I've needed it.)  

 

There was an additional reason for my doing this latest one.  Not long ago I
suffered a hemorrhagic stroke that pretty well disabled both the sensory and
the fine motor control of my left arm and hand. (I can't feel it when I am
holding a screw or nut in the fingers of my left hand, and trying to
manipulate something that small is damn near impossible.)  I undertook this
build as a home-made form of physical therapy.  It required some strange
adaptations on my part and some of it was slow going.  We'll see in another
few days whether it went together at is should.  

 

Whatever the outcome, I greatly enjoyed the ride.  Nothing like it.

 

Ted, KN1CBR


From rich at wc3t.us  Fri Apr 16 14:47:39 2021
From: rich at wc3t.us (rich at wc3t.us)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 14:47:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Do not use K4 "Restore Defaults" button
In-Reply-To: <0f9a40a6-c859-9c13-9eac-17d81f6eb34c@w3fpr.com>
References: <3E054888-4422-47CE-98A7-435A7EC7FBBE@elecraft.com>
	<022401d732e8$6d4244e0$47c6cea0$@wc3t.us>
	<0f9a40a6-c859-9c13-9eac-17d81f6eb34c@w3fpr.com>
Message-ID: <02d101d732f0$fb6eee50$f24ccaf0$@wc3t.us>

Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Wilhelm <don at w3fpr.com> 
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 14:13
To: rich at wc3t.us; 'Elecraft Reflector' <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Do not use K4 "Restore Defaults" button

Rich,

That restore function is available in KX3 Utility - Restore Configuration.  Of course you should have saved a configuration so you can restore it.  Save a configuration any time you make significant changes to your KX3 (not a firmware update).  The file is placed in your computer.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/16/2021 1:46 PM, rich at wc3t.us wrote:
> As you get a round tuit, will these nuances make it into the other models in
> the KX-line?   I always hear of the strident warnings of factory restores
> hammering the hard-won calibration data and have counted my lucky stars that
> I have not had to head down that road with my KX3.
>
>



From feeleymc at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 16 16:21:25 2021
From: feeleymc at yahoo.com (Mel Feeley)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 20:21:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Change Frequency
References: <983693138.3149175.1618604485009.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <983693138.3149175.1618604485009@mail.yahoo.com>

I have been trying to reset my mail to a once a day but there is apparent no easy way to do that. Even though there is an option listed.?


Sent from Yahoo Mail?

From ab2tc at arrl.net  Fri Apr 16 15:33:02 2021
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 12:33:02 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3A switching frequencies and  performance
In-Reply-To: <B0.85.26959.59DB9706@smtp01.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
References: <B0.85.26959.59DB9706@smtp01.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
Message-ID: <1618601582724-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Ben,

Others with more knowledge may chime in, but here is what I know:

The crossover frequencies you can find in the K3S schematic file. Here is a
link to it:

https://ftp.elecraft.com/K3S/Manuals%20Downloads/E740323%20K3s%20Schematic%20Files.pdf

It is the first page in the "options" segment. You can search for "KBPF3A"
to find it (the file is *big*).

I have not been able to find any real specifications for it. The
installation manual has no specs. I also don't know if either ARRL or
Sherwood has collected any data outside of the regular ham bands. In
principle the K3(S) equipped with this filter should have nearly identical
sensitivity anywhere from 0.1 to 30MHz. Note: the KBPF3 version has L1
installed which limits the low end to 0.5MHz. If you have an unmodified
early K3 and want to use it below 0.5MHz you need to add add a bypass
capacitor as described in the installation manual. Without that the bottom
end is very noisy from power supply noise. I know many people are fascinated
by Non-Directional-Beacons (NDBs) which are generally in that low frequency
range.

I have it in my K3S and find plenty of sensitivity anywhere in the range
supported (0.1-29.7MHz). I don't do much SWLing anymore since the number of
English language SW transmitters have dwindled over the past 10 years. It's
all Internet radio these days. Are you sure you have good antennas for the
bands where you think sensitivity is low? I certainly have no problem using
a 102' G5RV anywhere from 0.5 to 29.7MHz for reception. I leave the tuner in
bypass.

Knut - AB2TC



w4sc-2 wrote
> Looking for details of switch over frequencies and expected performance of
> the KBPF3A in its various bands, 
> 
> There is improvement in the BCB and below 500KHz with the KBPF3A enabled,
> however the other SW BCB bands I have tried are lacking.
> 
> Has anyone measured the performance of the KBPF3A?
> 
> Ben W4SC
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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From julia at juliatuttle.net  Fri Apr 16 16:23:28 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 16:23:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Change Frequency
In-Reply-To: <983693138.3149175.1618604485009@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <983693138.3149175.1618604485009.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<983693138.3149175.1618604485009@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrMH-xbDN9pihYwjY8cyv=mRLOxdiq4K1+pMq99v0m-Dyw@mail.gmail.com>

What happens if you choose that option?

On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 4:22 PM Mel Feeley via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> I have been trying to reset my mail to a once a day but there is apparent
> no easy way to do that. Even though there is an option listed.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail
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From bob at applegate.org  Fri Apr 16 18:18:08 2021
From: bob at applegate.org (Bob Applegate)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 18:18:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 MD command question
Message-ID: <1AD424A0-04B7-47ED-A9D0-1125893BC9A2@applegate.org>

I?ve been trying to set up a macro to automatically choose the correct sideband (USB/LSB) for the current band but have not found a way to do this.  The MD command allows specifying the mode, but there does not appear to be an option to select the ?proper? sideband mode for the current band.  There is no method to query the current frequency and do a conditional MD command.

Is there a way to do this?

BTW I am using the Programmer?s Reference Rev G5, 2/20/2019.

Thanks & 73

Bob - K2UT


From don at w3fpr.com  Fri Apr 16 19:30:24 2021
From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 19:30:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 MD command question
In-Reply-To: <1AD424A0-04B7-47ED-A9D0-1125893BC9A2@applegate.org>
References: <1AD424A0-04B7-47ED-A9D0-1125893BC9A2@applegate.org>
Message-ID: <ec9c6a8e-a0ae-65a8-6c89-ddabd4ac7afa@w3fpr.com>

Bob,

I believe you are ignoring the ALT button (hold of the left side of the 
Mode button).

Why use a Macro?? Set? the K3 to SSB on the band of interest and change 
the mode with the MODE button to select SSB the normal sideband for that 
band, If it is not correct, hold the left side of the Mode button to 
activate ALT.? Go to the next band and do the same.

You can do the same thing for VFO B (or use the A>B button).
You can also do the same thing for DATA A and AFSK A modes if you use them.

When you switch to the bands after you have done the above, you should 
be on the correct sideband - it will be remembered.

If you are entering the macro into a computer application, then ignore 
my suggestion - I only operate "by the buttons".

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/16/2021 6:18 PM, Bob Applegate wrote:
> I?ve been trying to set up a macro to automatically choose the correct sideband (USB/LSB) for the current band but have not found a way to do this.  The MD command allows specifying the mode, but there does not appear to be an option to select the ?proper? sideband mode for the current band.  There is no method to query the current frequency and do a conditional MD command.
>
> Is there a way to do this?
>
> BTW I am using the Programmer?s Reference Rev G5, 2/20/2019.
>
> Thanks & 73
>
> Bob - K2UT
>


From w5jv at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 16 19:54:39 2021
From: w5jv at hotmail.com (Doug Hensley)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 23:54:39 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT For Sale:  HF Packer QRP Amplifier 2.5w in/35w out
Message-ID: <BLAPR19MB440321EAAB549C316F4F0002914C9@BLAPR19MB4403.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Since many people on this list have more than one QRP rig, I thought I
would make this available here:

A new condition HF Packer 160m - 10m amplifier.  2.5w in / 35w out.

Pictures on request.  Price of $350 set by Virgil who designed them and
built this one for the SK who owned it.

Thanks,

Doug W5JV





Visit https://www.qrz.com/db/W5JV for some great vacuum tube finds.



From w5jv at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 16 19:56:22 2021
From: w5jv at hotmail.com (Doug Hensley)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 23:56:22 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT For Sale: HF Packer QRP Amplifier 2.5w in/35w out
In-Reply-To: <BLAPR19MB440321EAAB549C316F4F0002914C9@BLAPR19MB4403.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BLAPR19MB440321EAAB549C316F4F0002914C9@BLAPR19MB4403.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <SA0PR19MB440908575DE6D60A4C9D0170914C9@SA0PR19MB4409.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Boy, that was fast.  Item spoken for.  Will repost if sale falls through.

Doug W5JV




Visit https://www.qrz.com/db/W5JV for some great vacuum tube finds.



________________________________
From: Doug Hensley
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 6:54 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: OT For Sale: HF Packer QRP Amplifier 2.5w in/35w out

Since many people on this list have more than one QRP rig, I thought I
would make this available here:

A new condition HF Packer 160m - 10m amplifier.  2.5w in / 35w out.

Pictures on request.  Price of $350 set by Virgil who designed them and
built this one for the SK who owned it.

Thanks,

Doug W5JV





Visit https://www.qrz.com/db/W5JV for some great vacuum tube finds.



From bob at applegate.org  Fri Apr 16 20:01:46 2021
From: bob at applegate.org (Bob Applegate)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 20:01:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 MD command question
In-Reply-To: <1AD424A0-04B7-47ED-A9D0-1125893BC9A2@applegate.org>
References: <1AD424A0-04B7-47ED-A9D0-1125893BC9A2@applegate.org>
Message-ID: <90CD0074-5AB8-4B87-8894-9A17AFACF4B0@applegate.org>

A number of people have asked what I am trying to do with the macros, so here is a quick explanation.  In a normal day I'm switching between CW, digital and sideband frequently.  CW is easy: VFO B is always set the way I want it for CW.

Digital and sideband have to share VFO A (too bad there isn?t a VFO C).  To make the switching easier, I created two macros and assigned each to either PF1 or PF2.

Macro 4 (sideband): front panel mic input with bias, VOX off, compression at 15, receive bandwidth at 2.8 KHz.

Macro 5 (digital): line in, VOX on, compression at 0, bandwidth at 4 KHz and USB.

If I?m on bands where USB is the norm for sideband then Macro 4 sets up everything perectly.  However, for bands were LSB is the norm, I need to add a press of ALT to get back to LSB.  That is why I?m looking for a command to set the ?right? mode for sideband based on the band.  

Is there a way to do this that I just haven?t seen?  To bad there isn?t a MD parameter for selecting the normal sideband mode for the current band.  Or maybe there is?

Bob


> On Apr 16, 2021, at 6:18 PM, Bob Applegate <bob at applegate.org> wrote:
> 
> I?ve been trying to set up a macro to automatically choose the correct sideband (USB/LSB) for the current band but have not found a way to do this.  The MD command allows specifying the mode, but there does not appear to be an option to select the ?proper? sideband mode for the current band.  There is no method to query the current frequency and do a conditional MD command.
> 
> Is there a way to do this?
> 
> BTW I am using the Programmer?s Reference Rev G5, 2/20/2019.
> 
> Thanks & 73
> 
> Bob - K2UT
> 


From don at w3fpr.com  Fri Apr 16 20:56:25 2021
From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 20:56:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 MD command question
In-Reply-To: <90CD0074-5AB8-4B87-8894-9A17AFACF4B0@applegate.org>
References: <1AD424A0-04B7-47ED-A9D0-1125893BC9A2@applegate.org>
	<90CD0074-5AB8-4B87-8894-9A17AFACF4B0@applegate.org>
Message-ID: <dade7386-b5b8-cb22-885c-f9d0d2ae31db@w3fpr.com>

Bob,

I suggest you set up SSB as you want it - Compression and TX EQ as well.
Then for digital, use DATA A - it automatically turns off compression 
and TX EQ.

All that can be accomplished with VFO A, no involvement with VFO B 
unless you invoke it.
Know that a double tap of A>B will transfer band/frequency/mode of VFO A 
to VFO B.

The MODE button will accomplish all you want.? You can freely switch 
between SSB, DATA A and CW with taps of the MODE button. The sideband 
last used on that band and mode will be remembered.

If you are looking at a way to switch from CW to SSB or Digital on a 
particular band (set it up for all bands), I recommend you take a look 
at the M1 - M4 buttons - these are per band memory buttons.
I set mine up for M1 to send the K3 to the center of the CW section (it 
also sets CW mode), and M2 to the center of the SSB portion (and in SSB 
mode) - M3 goes to the center of the digital section of the band.? M4 is 
reserved for remembering a frequency/mode that I think I might want to 
come back to later.

I also use the first 10 regular memories to select bands - these are the 
Quick Memories.? I tap M>V and then one of the numerical buttons to set 
the band.? After that I tap M>V and either M1, M2 or M3 to get to the 
center of the mode I want on that band - easier than using the BAND button.

The Mic selection will be remembered in SSB mode (no need to change it), 
and the LINE IN selection will be remembered when you switch to DATA A 
mode (again, no need to change it).? DATA A mode is nothing more than 
SSB mode with different inputs and as I said Compression and EQ turned off.

So I think you are trying to create Macros for things the K3 will do for 
you automatically - make full use of the K3 functions and you will have 
fewer uses for macros - the K3 does it for you by default.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/16/2021 8:01 PM, Bob Applegate wrote:
> A number of people have asked what I am trying to do with the macros, so here is a quick explanation.  In a normal day I'm switching between CW, digital and sideband frequently.  CW is easy: VFO B is always set the way I want it for CW.
>
> Digital and sideband have to share VFO A (too bad there isn?t a VFO C).  To make the switching easier, I created two macros and assigned each to either PF1 or PF2.
>
> Macro 4 (sideband): front panel mic input with bias, VOX off, compression at 15, receive bandwidth at 2.8 KHz.
>
> Macro 5 (digital): line in, VOX on, compression at 0, bandwidth at 4 KHz and USB.
>
> If I?m on bands where USB is the norm for sideband then Macro 4 sets up everything perectly.  However, for bands were LSB is the norm, I need to add a press of ALT to get back to LSB.  That is why I?m looking for a command to set the ?right? mode for sideband based on the band.
>
> Is there a way to do this that I just haven?t seen?  To bad there isn?t a MD parameter for selecting the normal sideband mode for the current band.  Or maybe there is?
>
> Bob
>
>


From jerryp1756 at aol.com  Fri Apr 16 21:32:47 2021
From: jerryp1756 at aol.com (JERRY PETERSON)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 20:32:47 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Is there anyone in the Chicago area having a T1 that
	could help?
References: <998349A5-0BCD-4BD9-A419-13942CA267D7.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <998349A5-0BCD-4BD9-A419-13942CA267D7@aol.com>

I?ve never got my T1 to work.  I?m looking for someone who could verify it is defective.
K9BWE, Jerry.   847 255-9775

                                     Anyone who can make you believe absurdities
					    can also make you do atrocities.			
                                                                            
                                    								
                                                                                    
                                        
                                                    				
                                                                                        
                                                               
       
                                                               
                            
                                                                                     

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Apr 16 23:45:30 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 20:45:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 MD command question
In-Reply-To: <90CD0074-5AB8-4B87-8894-9A17AFACF4B0@applegate.org>
References: <1AD424A0-04B7-47ED-A9D0-1125893BC9A2@applegate.org>
	<90CD0074-5AB8-4B87-8894-9A17AFACF4B0@applegate.org>
Message-ID: <abd733c8-74ee-73bc-932c-cb77db40fcf3@audiosystemsgroup.com>

Hi Bob,

You're seriously overthinking this, perhaps due to a failure to RTFM. On 
sideband, Elecraft firmware automatically defaults to the "right 
sideband" for each ham band. If you choose either of the RTTY modes, it 
will default to LSB. If you choose DATA A, it will automatically switch 
to upper sideband. Both RTTY and DATA A will automatically take their 
input only from the Line Input and disable TXEQ. Both digital Modes 
(AFSK and DATA-A) disable front panel ALC settings.

Don Wilhelm's suggestions to make use of memories to save settings by 
band by mode is a good one. If you study the manual, you will learn that 
Elecraft memories are VERY well thought out.

73, Jim K9YC

  On 4/16/2021 5:01 PM, Bob Applegate wrote:
> A number of people have asked what I am trying to do with the macros, so here is a quick explanation.  In a normal day I'm switching between CW, digital and sideband frequently.  CW is easy: VFO B is always set the way I want it for CW.
> 
> Digital and sideband have to share VFO A (too bad there isn?t a VFO C).  To make the switching easier, I created two macros and assigned each to either PF1 or PF2.
> 
> Macro 4 (sideband): front panel mic input with bias, VOX off, compression at 15, receive bandwidth at 2.8 KHz.
> 
> Macro 5 (digital): line in, VOX on, compression at 0, bandwidth at 4 KHz and USB.
> 
> If I?m on bands where USB is the norm for sideband then Macro 4 sets up everything perectly.  However, for bands were LSB is the norm, I need to add a press of ALT to get back to LSB.  That is why I?m looking for a command to set the ?right? mode for sideband based on the band.
> 
> Is there a way to do this that I just haven?t seen?  To bad there isn?t a MD parameter for selecting the normal sideband mode for the current band.  Or maybe there is?
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
>> On Apr 16, 2021, at 6:18 PM, Bob Applegate <bob at applegate.org> wrote:
>>
>> I?ve been trying to set up a macro to automatically choose the correct sideband (USB/LSB) for the current band but have not found a way to do this.  The MD command allows specifying the mode, but there does not appear to be an option to select the ?proper? sideband mode for the current band.  There is no method to query the current frequency and do a conditional MD command.
>>
>> Is there a way to do this?
>>
>> BTW I am using the Programmer?s Reference Rev G5, 2/20/2019.
>>
>> Thanks & 73


From bob at applegate.org  Sat Apr 17 07:25:07 2021
From: bob at applegate.org (Bob Applegate)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 07:25:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 MD command question
In-Reply-To: <abd733c8-74ee-73bc-932c-cb77db40fcf3@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <1AD424A0-04B7-47ED-A9D0-1125893BC9A2@applegate.org>
	<90CD0074-5AB8-4B87-8894-9A17AFACF4B0@applegate.org>
	<abd733c8-74ee-73bc-932c-cb77db40fcf3@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <B59E1681-251E-4A99-AEBC-05D028C2A2BC@applegate.org>

Thanks for all the emails, and I did finally realize there is a simple solution to my problem. BTW, I did RTFM.  Band memories?  Done that years ago.  I am an engineer by profession, but the Elecraft (and any other modern) rigs are complicated and it?s easy to miss things or not interpret things the right way.

For may years I was only on CW and sideband so I used the VFOs to hold the proper settings per mode.  Worked perfectly, filled my needs, rarely needed the other VFO while on either mode.

When I went to digital modes the instructions were to use USB, so I did.  Tried DATA and DATA-REV without success, so I wrote those off and went back to USB and tweaked computer drive level settings until everything worked on FT8, FT8 and other digital modes.  Never tried DATA again.

So the answer to my problem was to just use DATA? now that all the external settings were correct, DATA worked perfectly, so today I?ll get the proper modes set for all the bands again and everything will be perfect.

Thanks for the help.

Bob


> On Apr 16, 2021, at 11:45 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
> You're seriously overthinking this, perhaps due to a failure to RTFM. On sideband, Elecraft firmware automatically defaults to the "right sideband" for each ham band. If you choose either of the RTTY modes, it will default to LSB. If you choose DATA A, it will automatically switch to upper sideband. Both RTTY and DATA A will automatically take their input only from the Line Input and disable TXEQ. Both digital Modes (AFSK and DATA-A) disable front panel ALC settings.
> 
> Don Wilhelm's suggestions to make use of memories to save settings by band by mode is a good one. If you study the manual, you will learn that Elecraft memories are VERY well thought out.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
> On 4/16/2021 5:01 PM, Bob Applegate wrote:
>> A number of people have asked what I am trying to do with the macros, so here is a quick explanation.  In a normal day I'm switching between CW, digital and sideband frequently.  CW is easy: VFO B is always set the way I want it for CW.
>> Digital and sideband have to share VFO A (too bad there isn?t a VFO C).  To make the switching easier, I created two macros and assigned each to either PF1 or PF2.
>> Macro 4 (sideband): front panel mic input with bias, VOX off, compression at 15, receive bandwidth at 2.8 KHz.
>> Macro 5 (digital): line in, VOX on, compression at 0, bandwidth at 4 KHz and USB.
>> If I?m on bands where USB is the norm for sideband then Macro 4 sets up everything perectly.  However, for bands were LSB is the norm, I need to add a press of ALT to get back to LSB.  That is why I?m looking for a command to set the ?right? mode for sideband based on the band.
>> Is there a way to do this that I just haven?t seen?  To bad there isn?t a MD parameter for selecting the normal sideband mode for the current band.  Or maybe there is?
>> Bob
>>> On Apr 16, 2021, at 6:18 PM, Bob Applegate <bob at applegate.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I?ve been trying to set up a macro to automatically choose the correct sideband (USB/LSB) for the current band but have not found a way to do this.  The MD command allows specifying the mode, but there does not appear to be an option to select the ?proper? sideband mode for the current band.  There is no method to query the current frequency and do a conditional MD command.
>>> 
>>> Is there a way to do this?
>>> 
>>> BTW I am using the Programmer?s Reference Rev G5, 2/20/2019.
>>> 
>>> Thanks & 73
> 
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From va2hcc at gmail.com  Sat Apr 17 08:11:09 2021
From: va2hcc at gmail.com (Claude Cousineau)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 08:11:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] W2 firmware
Message-ID: <0373A853-155E-4133-B8E4-D5D85A202929@gmail.com>

Good day, I just purchased a w2 and followed the requested steps to install the new firmware V1.0 , now I don't know what was install from factory because I did not try it before loading v1.0 the power is about 10% low and swr is ok the problem is that the alarm won't work , on power on I ear the relay cycle , I made sure to enter an a in the utility program to get the answer a1 that tells me that protraction is on, but when swr is higher then 5 to 1 alarm doesn't trip the relay, I think it's a firmware issue! Does anyone have a previous version for the w2 so that I can try it? Thanks for reading this 73
Claude

Sent from my iPad

From david at g4dmp.co.uk  Sat Apr 17 13:41:14 2021
From: david at g4dmp.co.uk (David Pratt)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 18:41:14 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] XV144 Crystal Oven
Message-ID: <kmJ5e$A62xegFwcQ@g4dmp.co.uk>

I would be pleased to hear from anyone who has a crystal oven for the XV
series of transverters.  The Elecraft part number is E980076.  The oven
in my XV144 has gone open circuit.

I have attempted to search the Elecraft website for one without success
and have even entered an enquiry but have had no response.

Any help would be much appreciated.

73 de David G4DMP

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From don at w3fpr.com  Sat Apr 17 13:55:34 2021
From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 13:55:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] XV144 Crystal Oven
In-Reply-To: <kmJ5e$A62xegFwcQ@g4dmp.co.uk>
References: <kmJ5e$A62xegFwcQ@g4dmp.co.uk>
Message-ID: <dbe30517-0d2d-c4a8-a022-92358ea3b562@w3fpr.com>

David,

Sadly, that crystal oven is no longer manufactured.
I am certain there are other crystal ovens available, but you may have 
to cobble something together because the pins are not likely to fit the 
XV144 board.

The easiest solution is for someone to step up and tell you he has a spare.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/17/2021 1:41 PM, David Pratt wrote:
> I would be pleased to hear from anyone who has a crystal oven for the XV
> series of transverters.  The Elecraft part number is E980076.  The oven
> in my XV144 has gone open circuit.
>
>
>


From mgcizek at gmail.com  Sat Apr 17 16:23:57 2021
From: mgcizek at gmail.com (Mike Cizek W0VTT)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 15:23:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] XV144 Crystal Oven
In-Reply-To: <kmJ5e$A62xegFwcQ@g4dmp.co.uk>
References: <kmJ5e$A62xegFwcQ@g4dmp.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00eb01d733c7$996b3f10$cc41bd30$@gmail.com>

Hello David,

This was the original product:
https://www.isotemp.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Mxx.pdf 
My XV222 (11 years old) has the M431275

Now made by Taiten and available from Digikey here in the states:
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/taitien/M431275/9955528?s=N4IgTCB
cDaILYBYDMBGMB2ArCAugXyA 
Perhaps you can find a distributor in the UK.  GL.

----
73,
Mike Cizek W0VTT

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of David Pratt
Sent: Saturday, 17 April, 2021 12:41
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] XV144 Crystal Oven

I would be pleased to hear from anyone who has a crystal oven for the XV
series of transverters.  The Elecraft part number is E980076.  The oven in
my XV144 has gone open circuit.

I have attempted to search the Elecraft website for one without success and
have even entered an enquiry but have had no response.

Any help would be much appreciated.

73 de David G4DMP

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From clawsoncw at gmail.com  Sat Apr 17 19:51:02 2021
From: clawsoncw at gmail.com (Carl Clawson)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 16:51:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Building a K2
In-Reply-To: <002a01d732f0$cdfe3d90$69fab8b0$@aya.yale.edu>
References: <002a01d732f0$cdfe3d90$69fab8b0$@aya.yale.edu>
Message-ID: <CABS7SRABRB2zPvQ-5agMdD32ftfS5NAAvq8itXMkeZX=HBCbVA@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry to hear of your problem, Ted, but I bet the K2 was cheaper than
physical therapy. Hope it helps.

I?m in phase 2 of the RF board, and having a blast. I can?t wait to fire up
the synth and receiver.

73, Carl WS7L

On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 11:46 AM <edauer at aya.yale.edu> wrote:

> Carl ?
>
>
>
> Just saw your note on the reflector.  This morning I completed the RF
> board on one I?ve been building since early February.  Al the soldering is
> done.  The rest is the mechanical parts.
>
>
>
> It?s my fourth K2.  One I keep as a contest backup, two I?ve sold, and
> this one I am donating to a junior high school radio club.  I do them
> because the build is an extraordinary experience, made all the better by
> the excellence of Elecraft?s engineering, (and their support when I?ve
> needed it.)
>
>
>
> There was an additional reason for my doing this latest one.  Not long ago
> I suffered a hemorrhagic stroke that pretty well disabled both the sensory
> and the fine motor control of my left arm and hand. (I can?t feel it when I
> am holding a screw or nut in the fingers of my left hand, and trying to
> manipulate something that small is damn near impossible.)  I undertook this
> build as a home-made form of physical therapy.  It required some strange
> adaptations on my part and some of it was slow going.  We?ll see in another
> few days whether it went together at is should.
>
>
>
> Whatever the outcome, I greatly enjoyed the ride.  Nothing like it.
>
>
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>

From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Apr 18 00:41:51 2021
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 21:41:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <dd2b2f0e-b8a1-10c7-9e26-e3f32977f89b@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? The new fire station near Manning had a sign which read, "Warning, 
sunshine ahead."? After a long, gray winter the sunbreaks have become 
continuous.? Yesterday the daffodils started to open around 10 AM.? By 
noon they were fully open.? This is after five weeks of growth.? The 
hummingbirds are feeding heavily.? With temperatures in the low 80s we 
are all feeling dehydrated.? They live in constant hunger, it makes them 
a little grumpy.

 ?? The auroral oval is more pronounced than last week though the 
sunspot count is low.? News is the cycle will peak ahead of schedule.? 
Maybe we will get a double peak once again.? I have spent the week 
watching the live feed from the volcano in Iceland.? That caused me to 
look up Dante's poem.? He never once mentions lava but does relate all 
manner of boiling substances. Curiously the ninth circle of Hell is made 
of ice.

 ?? California quail worked through the front yard.? The varied thrushes 
and robins had fluffed the detritus layer so the quail had better 
pickings.? The Oregon juncos are attacking the mirrors on my truck while 
the pileated woodpeckers chortle through the woods looking for prey.? A 
few grouse are calling with their low toned whumping.? Currently a saw 
whet owl is filing away.? With all this aural input it is unnecessary to 
turn to electronics.? I have not turned on the BCB gear in a month.


Please join us on (or near):

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 ? 7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

 ?? 73,
 ????? Kevin. KD5ONS


-

A few interesting links.? Krita tutorials, navigate a eukaryotic cell, 
live feed lava, how to separate sensation from memory, and the next 
stage of the chip shortage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zefmloD3KjU

https://digizyme.com/cst_landscapes.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqXr4-U0JEs

https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-brain-rotates-memories-to-save-them-from-new-sensations-20210415/

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/semi-fulfilling-prophecy-ongoing-chip-shortage-now-impacting-chipmaking-equipment


*****************

 ??? ptr = (struct node *) malloc(sizeof(struct node));

 ??? ptr->next = home;
 ??? ptr->prev = home->prev;

 ??? home->prev->next = ptr;
 ??? home->prev = ptr;

 ?? ...

 ??? ptr = home->next;

 ??? home->next->next->prev = home;
 ??? home->next = home->next->next;

 ??? free(ptr);


From ewrjunkmail at gmail.com  Sun Apr 18 09:10:51 2021
From: ewrjunkmail at gmail.com (eric robertson)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 08:10:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: KXPA100 preferably with KXAT100
Message-ID: <438A5C2D-2A80-4675-8325-8853FCE152A7@gmail.com>

Please let me know if your are interested in selling.  Must be in excellent condition.  Thx
Eric 
KI5PCZ

Sent from my iPhone

From david at g4dmp.co.uk  Sun Apr 18 09:28:32 2021
From: david at g4dmp.co.uk (David Pratt)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 14:28:32 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] XV432
In-Reply-To: <tOU7EMEazYbgFwHs@g4dmp.co.uk>
References: <tOU7EMEazYbgFwHs@g4dmp.co.uk>
Message-ID: <A1GAq0EAQDfgFwxB@g4dmp.co.uk>

I would like to thank Don, Mike and Peter for responding to my plea for 
help for an XV transverter crystal oven.

I never cease to be amazed at the help given on the Elecraft reflector 
which is second to none.  Thank you gentlemen.

73 de David G4DMP

In a recent message, David Pratt <david at g4dmp.co.uk> writes
>I am wishing to buy an XV432 transverter for use with my K2.  If anyone
>has one which they no longer need, I would be pleased to hear from them.
>
>73 de David G4DMP

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From navydude1962 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 18 17:20:43 2021
From: navydude1962 at yahoo.com (Edward)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 00:20:43 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: 73CNC Knob for K3
References: <FC2B393F-EAAA-42FF-B563-756747A412D0.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FC2B393F-EAAA-42FF-B563-756747A412D0@yahoo.com>

Me again. Still searching for a very specific knob. This is a solid black knob with a non-spinning finger dimple. Heavy at 14 oz. 

Have gotten offers but they don't seem to come through. Appreciated. 

Ed NI6S

From ws6x.ars at gmail.com  Sun Apr 18 17:36:48 2021
From: ws6x.ars at gmail.com (ws6x.ars at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 17:36:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Question
Message-ID: <001001d7349a$f0a01570$d1e04050$@gmail.com>

I just purchased a used KPA500 (SN 0456) from a close friend. The amp was
just back to the factory for several repairs and was thoroughly tested. The
report reads, "KPA500 #0456 meets or exceeds all factory specifications." My
friend unboxed the amp and made several QSOs to be sure all issues were
fixed. He then personally delivered the amp to my QTH.
Over the weekend I got the amp added to my operating position and was quite
surprised to find that input signals are attenuated significantly when the
amp is switched from STBY to OPER. No, this is NOT the issue with having the
aux cable and the PA key line connected at the same time. This is with NO PA
key, and NO aux cable connected. The amp has no connection but RF input and
output. It is independent of band. This is with a matched antenna, band
switched manually with the front panel buttons. When I engage OPER the input
signal is attenuated by ~20 dB.
On the TX side, the amp is fine. On most bands I get full rated output into
a dummy load with approx. 20 Watts of drive from the K3.
I noticed on the service report, one of the tests was, "Tested receive
attenuation and IMD." I'm curious about "receive attenuation." This would
seem to be related to my problem. Looking at the block diagram, I surmise
something in the TR switch is malfunctioning.
Before I bug an already-overloaded Elecraft support, I am open to
suggestions. Am I missing something obvious?
TIA es 73,
Jim - WS6X
P.S. Yes, I have read the manual, and scoured the archives. The only thing I
can find regarding input attenuation in the OPER mode involves incorrect
cabling.       


From a.durbin at msn.com  Sun Apr 18 18:05:31 2021
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 22:05:31 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Question
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB296838BA5CA35E856E66249C8C4A9@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

" When I engage OPER the input signal is attenuated by ~20 dB."

I can detect no difference in received signal between OPER and STBY.  This was for an "on air" test.  I did not test with a signal generator.

Andy, k3wyc

From marklgoldberg at gmail.com  Sun Apr 18 18:20:17 2021
From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 15:20:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Question
In-Reply-To: <001001d7349a$f0a01570$d1e04050$@gmail.com>
References: <001001d7349a$f0a01570$d1e04050$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKn+a3vGO_J-_QjuG9CZzjxPx5w7iyvaT4QNMEtDYs5ygpvsbw@mail.gmail.com>

Is the key line indication on all the time? This may be indicative of a
stuck key line. There was an unsoldered resistor on mine causing the issue.

73,

Mark
W7MLG

On Sun, Apr 18, 2021, 2:38 PM <ws6x.ars at gmail.com> wrote:

> I just purchased a used KPA500 (SN 0456) from a close friend. The amp was
> just back to the factory for several repairs and was thoroughly tested. The
> report reads, "KPA500 #0456 meets or exceeds all factory specifications."
> My
> friend unboxed the amp and made several QSOs to be sure all issues were
> fixed. He then personally delivered the amp to my QTH.
> Over the weekend I got the amp added to my operating position and was quite
> surprised to find that input signals are attenuated significantly when the
> amp is switched from STBY to OPER. No, this is NOT the issue with having
> the
> aux cable and the PA key line connected at the same time. This is with NO
> PA
> key, and NO aux cable connected. The amp has no connection but RF input and
> output. It is independent of band. This is with a matched antenna, band
> switched manually with the front panel buttons. When I engage OPER the
> input
> signal is attenuated by ~20 dB.
> On the TX side, the amp is fine. On most bands I get full rated output into
> a dummy load with approx. 20 Watts of drive from the K3.
> I noticed on the service report, one of the tests was, "Tested receive
> attenuation and IMD." I'm curious about "receive attenuation." This would
> seem to be related to my problem. Looking at the block diagram, I surmise
> something in the TR switch is malfunctioning.
> Before I bug an already-overloaded Elecraft support, I am open to
> suggestions. Am I missing something obvious?
> TIA es 73,
> Jim - WS6X
> P.S. Yes, I have read the manual, and scoured the archives. The only thing
> I
> can find regarding input attenuation in the OPER mode involves incorrect
> cabling.
>
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From thomas.kluge at gmx.de  Sun Apr 18 18:28:49 2021
From: thomas.kluge at gmx.de (Thomas Kluge)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 00:28:49 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Question
In-Reply-To: <001001d7349a$f0a01570$d1e04050$@gmail.com>
References: <001001d7349a$f0a01570$d1e04050$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8f63556ec454d67c1e439cdcd5a3e7d17a59e99d.camel@gmx.de>

Hi Jim,

Sounds like an issue with the T/R circuit, you'll find some reports in
the history of this list. I had a very similar case just one week ago -
in my case it was R7 which was blown. The original type seems to be a
51 Ohm (type 1206 SMD) resistor - I've used now two 100 Ohm 1/4 watt
resistors in parallel... Please check the diodes D8 and D9 if the
resistor is ok - but in my case it was very obvious: At least I've seen
the remainders of the SMD and not just a black spot (as others reported
earlier)...
Taking the PA apart and put everything back together took more time
than the repair ;-)

Best regards
Tom, DL3DTH


Am Sonntag, dem 18.04.2021 um 17:36 -0400 schrieb ws6x.ars at gmail.com:
> I just purchased a used KPA500 (SN 0456) from a close friend. The amp
> was
> just back to the factory for several repairs and was thoroughly
> tested. The
> report reads, "KPA500 #0456 meets or exceeds all factory
> specifications." My
> friend unboxed the amp and made several QSOs to be sure all issues
> were
> fixed. He then personally delivered the amp to my QTH.
> Over the weekend I got the amp added to my operating position and was
> quite
> surprised to find that input signals are attenuated significantly
> when the
> amp is switched from STBY to OPER. No, this is NOT the issue with
> having the
> aux cable and the PA key line connected at the same time. This is
> with NO PA
> key, and NO aux cable connected. The amp has no connection but RF
> input and
> output. It is independent of band. This is with a matched antenna,
> band
> switched manually with the front panel buttons. When I engage OPER
> the input
> signal is attenuated by ~20 dB.
> On the TX side, the amp is fine. On most bands I get full rated
> output into
> a dummy load with approx. 20 Watts of drive from the K3.
> I noticed on the service report, one of the tests was, "Tested
> receive
> attenuation and IMD." I'm curious about "receive attenuation." This
> would
> seem to be related to my problem. Looking at the block diagram, I
> surmise
> something in the TR switch is malfunctioning.
> Before I bug an already-overloaded Elecraft support, I am open to
> suggestions. Am I missing something obvious?
> TIA es 73,
> Jim - WS6X
> P.S. Yes, I have read the manual, and scoured the archives. The only
> thing I
> can find regarding input attenuation in the OPER mode involves
> incorrect
> cabling.??????
>
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From marvwheeler at nwlink.com  Sun Apr 18 18:29:20 2021
From: marvwheeler at nwlink.com (marvwheeler at nwlink.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 15:29:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Question
In-Reply-To: <CAKn+a3vGO_J-_QjuG9CZzjxPx5w7iyvaT4QNMEtDYs5ygpvsbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001001d7349a$f0a01570$d1e04050$@gmail.com>
	<CAKn+a3vGO_J-_QjuG9CZzjxPx5w7iyvaT4QNMEtDYs5ygpvsbw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001d734a2$47003060$d5009120$@nwlink.com>

What happens if you reduce the rf output on the k3 to some value below 12
watts. I have the same symptoms and thought it was the KPA500 but after
disconnecting the K3S from the rest of the station I accidently determined
that if I decreased the RF output to less that 12 watts the receiver is no
longer attenuated. I am waiting until Elecraft is on a more normal footing
before sending it back for repair.

Marv
KG7V

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Mark Goldberg
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 3:20 PM
To: ws6x.ars at gmail.com
Cc: Elecraft Mailing List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 Question

Is the key line indication on all the time? This may be indicative of a
stuck key line. There was an unsoldered resistor on mine causing the issue.

73,

Mark
W7MLG

On Sun, Apr 18, 2021, 2:38 PM <ws6x.ars at gmail.com> wrote:

> I just purchased a used KPA500 (SN 0456) from a close friend. The amp 
> was just back to the factory for several repairs and was thoroughly 
> tested. The report reads, "KPA500 #0456 meets or exceeds all factory
specifications."
> My
> friend unboxed the amp and made several QSOs to be sure all issues 
> were fixed. He then personally delivered the amp to my QTH.
> Over the weekend I got the amp added to my operating position and was 
> quite surprised to find that input signals are attenuated 
> significantly when the amp is switched from STBY to OPER. No, this is 
> NOT the issue with having the aux cable and the PA key line connected 
> at the same time. This is with NO PA key, and NO aux cable connected. 
> The amp has no connection but RF input and output. It is independent 
> of band. This is with a matched antenna, band switched manually with 
> the front panel buttons. When I engage OPER the input signal is 
> attenuated by ~20 dB.
> On the TX side, the amp is fine. On most bands I get full rated output 
> into a dummy load with approx. 20 Watts of drive from the K3.
> I noticed on the service report, one of the tests was, "Tested receive 
> attenuation and IMD." I'm curious about "receive attenuation." This 
> would seem to be related to my problem. Looking at the block diagram, 
> I surmise something in the TR switch is malfunctioning.
> Before I bug an already-overloaded Elecraft support, I am open to 
> suggestions. Am I missing something obvious?
> TIA es 73,
> Jim - WS6X
> P.S. Yes, I have read the manual, and scoured the archives. The only 
> thing I can find regarding input attenuation in the OPER mode involves 
> incorrect cabling.
>
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From ws6x.ars at gmail.com  Sun Apr 18 19:59:12 2021
From: ws6x.ars at gmail.com (ws6x.ars at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 19:59:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Question
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB296838BA5CA35E856E66249C8C4A9@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB296838BA5CA35E856E66249C8C4A9@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <001f01d734ae$d4cabfd0$7e603f70$@gmail.com>

"When I engage OPER the input signal is attenuated by ~20 dB."

Thanks to all for the prompt and informative replies. Apparently the culprit
has been found. Several reported the exact same issue, one as recently as
one week ago. According to one reply, an Elecraft Tech told him, "This is a
known failure mode." (Not very encouraging!)
Here is a copy of an Elecraft repair report:

Reported problem(s):
Receive signal is attenuated when in operate. Receive signal is normal when
in standby.

Problem(s) found:
Confirmed problem. Found that D8, D9 and R7 in the T/R circuit had failed.

Repair(s) performed:
Replaced D8, D9, and R7 on the LPF board.

Looks like my KPA500 is in for some "belly up" treatment!
One thing has me a bit puzzled though. If this is a known weakness, why
hasn't Elecraft designed a "beefed up" mod? My amp had 5 updates / mods done
while it was at the factory. This "known failure" was not one of them. 
Thanks again, for all the help!
Jim - WS6X


From k9ztv at socket.net  Sun Apr 18 20:33:06 2021
From: k9ztv at socket.net (KENT TRIMBLE)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 19:33:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Question
In-Reply-To: <001f01d734ae$d4cabfd0$7e603f70$@gmail.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB296838BA5CA35E856E66249C8C4A9@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<001f01d734ae$d4cabfd0$7e603f70$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7e99aa54-b859-9825-61dc-36d39c8fbb21@socket.net>

Just because a tech says it's a known failure today doesn't mean it's 
been a known failure throughout its production run.? Component 
availability and sourcing necessarily change over the years.? A robust 
component from a former supplier ten years ago may not be as robust from 
a different supplier today.? There is no way of knowing which components 
exhibit early failures until they fail early.

Consider yourself now an experienced beta-tester!

73,

Kent? K9ZTV


On 4/18/2021 6:59 PM, someone wrote:
> According to one reply, an Elecraft Tech told him, "This is a
> known failure mode." ... If this is a known weakness, why
> hasn't Elecraft designed a "beefed up" mod?


From ws6x.ars at gmail.com  Sun Apr 18 20:54:36 2021
From: ws6x.ars at gmail.com (Jim Clymer)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 20:54:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Question
In-Reply-To: <7e99aa54-b859-9825-61dc-36d39c8fbb21@socket.net>
References: <BYAPR16MB296838BA5CA35E856E66249C8C4A9@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<001f01d734ae$d4cabfd0$7e603f70$@gmail.com>
	<7e99aa54-b859-9825-61dc-36d39c8fbb21@socket.net>
Message-ID: <CAENrfzn_56ybigsqh86Y=Mto5B91Wr8edCzEcaD1WenUJgOMZQ@mail.gmail.com>

Point taken.
FWIW: This "known failure" tech comment was in 2018.
Jim - WS6X

On Sun, Apr 18, 2021, 8:33 PM KENT TRIMBLE <k9ztv at socket.net> wrote:

> Just because a tech says it's a known failure today doesn't mean it's
> been a known failure throughout its production run.

From ar at dseven.org  Sun Apr 18 22:43:10 2021
From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 19:43:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Question
In-Reply-To: <001f01d734ae$d4cabfd0$7e603f70$@gmail.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB296838BA5CA35E856E66249C8C4A9@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<001f01d734ae$d4cabfd0$7e603f70$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACDL7B0Hc5hEeSYWof8hBJzg0D19SXFk2T5sAdR9egvmoHpcXw@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 5:02 PM <ws6x.ars at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> "When I engage OPER the input signal is attenuated by ~20 dB."
>
> Thanks to all for the prompt and informative replies. Apparently the culprit
> has been found. Several reported the exact same issue, one as recently as
> one week ago. According to one reply, an Elecraft Tech told him, "This is a
> known failure mode." (Not very encouraging!)
> Here is a copy of an Elecraft repair report:
>
> Reported problem(s):
> Receive signal is attenuated when in operate. Receive signal is normal when
> in standby.
>
> Problem(s) found:
> Confirmed problem. Found that D8, D9 and R7 in the T/R circuit had failed.
>
> Repair(s) performed:
> Replaced D8, D9, and R7 on the LPF board.
>
> Looks like my KPA500 is in for some "belly up" treatment!
> One thing has me a bit puzzled though. If this is a known weakness, why
> hasn't Elecraft designed a "beefed up" mod? My amp had 5 updates / mods done
> while it was at the factory. This "known failure" was not one of them.

There definitely has been "beefing up" of the T/R circuit over the
years. I don't know about dates.

You might find this interesting (although I think your failure is
different - I've been "lucky" enough to experience both, and more):

http://ok1rp.blogspot.com/2017/02/elecraft-kpa500-lpf-tr-switch-rework.html

Mine when back in late 2019, and had the following performed (amongst
other fixes and updates):

"Replaced Q5, D7, R3, R9 and R24 for Transmit/Receive MOD (Improves
robustness in Transmit/Receive circuitry)."


Good luck getting a response from Elecraft support now. Apparently
they don't respond to email any more (mine from April 5th has been
ignored so-far, and I've seen similar reports from others here).

73,

    ~iain / N6ML

From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Apr 18 23:52:43 2021
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 20:52:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <846aab33-5e6f-32a5-6f31-908928f11be5@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? Both bands were weak and unproductive.? QSB was deeper on 20 than on 
40 meters.? Noise was higher this week.? The web cams at the 
Geldingadalir volcano now have increased resolution and the sound is 
working.? The sub-woofers are moving the house as the lava flies.? I 
hope they are making a time lapse movie from this live feed.


 ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

NO8V - John? - MI

K4JPN - Steve - Ga


 ? On 7047.5 kHz at 0000z:

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

K6PJV - Dale - CA



Until next week stay well.


 ? 73, Kevin.? KD5ONS


-



The supreme accomplishment is to blur the line between work and play. - 
Arnold J. Toynbee



From radiok4ia at gmail.com  Mon Apr 19 08:41:30 2021
From: radiok4ia at gmail.com (Buck)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 08:41:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Controlling KAT500/KPA500 with Icom 7610
Message-ID: <e969f842-93f1-0987-c242-69d71c41bcf1@Gmail.com>

Anyone who has succeeded, I could use some help.  The connection from 
the 7610 molex antenna tuner jack to the "Icom in" jack on the KSAT500 
doesn't do anything.
-- 
k4ia, Buck
K3s# 11497
Honor Roll  8B DXCC
EasyWayHamBooks.com

From erusst at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 19 09:17:04 2021
From: erusst at yahoo.com (Russ Tobolic)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 13:17:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3A switching frequencies and  performance
In-Reply-To: <B0.85.26959.59DB9706@smtp01.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
References: <B0.85.26959.59DB9706@smtp01.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
Message-ID: <952861352.807095.1618838224230@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi Ben:
You had me curious with your request.? I started to check my KBPF3 (modified to the "A") and noticed something that now bothers me.? I tried going down from 160M and it appears that the switch over to the AM broadcast band occurs precisely at 1700,000? Kc.? When I tune to? 1.699999 the relays click.? But the anomaly(?) I am seeing at the switchover point is a big drop in the signal level.? At my QTH during the daytime the nominal noise level at 1700.000 Kc is about S7.? When I switch to 1.699999 the noise level drops to S2.? At the high end the switchover occurs at 2109.999+ with a drop in the noise level from S9+10 to S3.? I don't use the K3 for listening to AMBCB but only in the case of checking my 160M? receiving loops with some stations high in the AM Band.? I checked on 80M and got similar results.? At the low side the switch occurred at 3299.999 with a drop in the noise level from S5 to S2.? On the high side the switchover occurred at 4209.999+ but here the noise level increased from S4 to S6. I don't know if this helps you any on at least these 2 bands.? If I get the time I'll try to check the rest.? Now I'm bothered by the changes in signal levels at the switchover points (ignorance is bliss).? ?I wonder if anyone else has ever noticed this or do I have an issue with my KBPF3?

Russ, N3CO
    On Friday, April 16, 2021, 12:39:28 PM EDT, w4sc <w4sc at windstream.net> wrote:  
 
 Looking for details of switch over frequencies and expected performance of the KBPF3A in its various bands, 

There is improvement in the BCB and below 500KHz with the KBPF3A enabled, however the other SW BCB bands I have tried are lacking.

Has anyone measured the performance of the KBPF3A?

Ben W4SC

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From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Mon Apr 19 10:35:26 2021
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 09:35:26 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Controlling KAT500/KPA500 with Icom 7610
In-Reply-To: <e969f842-93f1-0987-c242-69d71c41bcf1@Gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <2f0101d73529$3d96c020$b8c44060$@LNAINC.com>

Buck -

The KAT500 Rev D1 Manual, pages 13, 14 and 15 cover the Icom connections.

The "AH4" cable (the one you're describing) powers the KAT500 and controls
the "Tune" function.  If yours isn't doing anything, the cable is probably
defective.

What else do you have connected?

73
Lyn, W0LEN


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Buck
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 7:42 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Controlling KAT500/KPA500 with Icom 7610

Anyone who has succeeded, I could use some help.  The connection from 
the 7610 molex antenna tuner jack to the "Icom in" jack on the KSAT500 
doesn't do anything.
-- 
k4ia, Buck
K3s# 11497
Honor Roll  8B DXCC
EasyWayHamBooks.com
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From radiok4ia at gmail.com  Mon Apr 19 14:04:00 2021
From: radiok4ia at gmail.com (Buck)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 14:04:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Controlling KAT500/KPA500 with Icom 7610
In-Reply-To: <2f0101d73529$3d96c020$b8c44060$@LNAINC.com>
References: <e969f842-93f1-0987-c242-69d71c41bcf1@Gmail.com>
	<2f0101d73529$3d96c020$b8c44060$@LNAINC.com>
Message-ID: <215bef92-3ad7-3428-64c9-d9e63ff89153@Gmail.com>

I made up the cable from the Molex to the TUNE on the KAT500 as 
described and have checked continuity from end to end.  All OK.

I have the SEND from the 7610 connected to the PTT RLY on the KAT500.

When I change bands, nothing happens.  Is there another setting I need 
to change in the 7610?

Buck, k4ia
Honor Roll
8BDXCC
EasyWayHamBooks.com

On 4/19/2021 10:35 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
> Buck -
> 
> The KAT500 Rev D1 Manual, pages 13, 14 and 15 cover the Icom connections.
> 
> The "AH4" cable (the one you're describing) powers the KAT500 and controls
> the "Tune" function.  If yours isn't doing anything, the cable is probably
> defective.
> 
> What else do you have connected?
> 
> 73
> Lyn, W0LEN
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Buck
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 7:42 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Controlling KAT500/KPA500 with Icom 7610
> 
> Anyone who has succeeded, I could use some help.  The connection from
> the 7610 molex antenna tuner jack to the "Icom in" jack on the KSAT500
> doesn't do anything.
> 

From wa2lbi at gmail.com  Mon Apr 19 14:31:21 2021
From: wa2lbi at gmail.com (Ken Winterling)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 14:31:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Controlling KAT500/KPA500 with Icom 7610
In-Reply-To: <215bef92-3ad7-3428-64c9-d9e63ff89153@Gmail.com>
References: <e969f842-93f1-0987-c242-69d71c41bcf1@Gmail.com>
	<2f0101d73529$3d96c020$b8c44060$@LNAINC.com>
	<215bef92-3ad7-3428-64c9-d9e63ff89153@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALK4bwiOHkzSgBUnkZJf1QdAqBDS3p7AuqYVafNN4x31eqabCg@mail.gmail.com>

Buck,

I have had the IC-7610 and KAT500/KPA500 for almost three years and they
are a very nice pair (or trio..). The IC-7610 doesn't "control" the KAT500
per se. Changing bands/frequencies on the IC-7610 doesn't cause any
response from the KAT500. Only when the IC-7610 transmits does the tuner
detect (sense) the RF and then adjust the capacitors and inductors to match
to the current antenna. An Elecraft transceiver, OTOH, does
communicate with the KAT500 (and KPA500) and changes
bands/frequencies/antenna ports as the bands and frequencies are changed.

The KPA500 responds the same way and changes bands by sensing transmit RF.
You can build a "band data" cable to interface the IC-7620 to the KP500 and
it will, with restrictions, follow the band selected by the IC-7610. The
restriction is that Icom's band data voltages do not support the WARC
bands. As a result, both 24 mHz and 28 mHz select 28mHz; both 18 mHz and 21
mHz select 21mHz. So, for all bands except WARC, the KPA500 will follow
band selections made on the IC-7610 (or almost any other Icom such as the
IC-7300, etc.).

I can send you a diagram of the band data cable if you would like. It is
only marginally useful and most ops of non Elecraft gear seem to just let
the KPA500 (and KAT500) RF sense the transmitted RF to make necessary
selections. Be sure to read the KAT500 manual section regarding "training"
your tuner.

GL!

Ken
WA2LBI





On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 2:05 PM Buck <radiok4ia at gmail.com> wrote:

> I made up the cable from the Molex to the TUNE on the KAT500 as
> described and have checked continuity from end to end.  All OK.
>
> I have the SEND from the 7610 connected to the PTT RLY on the KAT500.
>
> When I change bands, nothing happens.  Is there another setting I need
> to change in the 7610?
>
> Buck, k4ia
> Honor Roll
> 8BDXCC
> EasyWayHamBooks.com
>
> On 4/19/2021 10:35 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
> > Buck -
> >
> > The KAT500 Rev D1 Manual, pages 13, 14 and 15 cover the Icom connections.
> >
> > The "AH4" cable (the one you're describing) powers the KAT500 and
> controls
> > the "Tune" function.  If yours isn't doing anything, the cable is
> probably
> > defective.
> >
> > What else do you have connected?
> >
> > 73
> > Lyn, W0LEN
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Buck
> > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 7:42 AM
> > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: [Elecraft] Controlling KAT500/KPA500 with Icom 7610
> >
> > Anyone who has succeeded, I could use some help.  The connection from
> > the 7610 molex antenna tuner jack to the "Icom in" jack on the KSAT500
> > doesn't do anything.
> >
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From radiok4ia at gmail.com  Mon Apr 19 15:06:17 2021
From: radiok4ia at gmail.com (Buck)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 15:06:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Controlling KAT500/KPA500 with Icom 7610
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Auto-sense works.  I just don't understand why Icom/Elecraft would even 
suggest hooking up the molex connector to the KAT500 if it doesn't do 
anything.  It is a waste of time.

I got the W2GNY plug to fool the 7610 into transmitting as 10 signal and 
it works.  I guess I will stick with that.

Buck, k4ia
Honor Roll
8BDXCC
EasyWayHamBooks.com

On 4/19/2021 2:31 PM, Ken Winterling wrote:
> Buck,
> 
> I have had the IC-7610 and KAT500/KPA500 for almost three years and they 
> are a very nice pair (or trio..). The IC-7610 doesn't "control" the 
> KAT500 per se. Changing?bands/frequencies on the IC-7610 doesn't cause 
> any response?from the KAT500. Only when the IC-7610 transmits does the 
> tuner detect?(sense) the RF and then adjust the capacitors and inductors 
> to match to the current antenna. An Elecraft transceiver, OTOH, does 
> communicate?with the KAT500 (and KPA500) and changes 
> bands/frequencies/antenna ports as the bands and frequencies are changed.
> 
> The KPA500 responds the same way and changes bands by sensing transmit 
> RF. You can build a "band data"?cable to interface the IC-7620 to the 
> KP500 and it will, with restrictions, follow the band selected by the 
> IC-7610. The restriction is that Icom's band data voltages do not 
> support?the WARC bands. As a result, both 24 mHz and 28 mHz select 
> 28mHz; both 18 mHz and 21 mHz select 21mHz. So, for all bands except 
> WARC, the KPA500 will follow band selections made on the IC-7610 (or 
> almost any other Icom such as the IC-7300, etc.).
> 
> I can send you a diagram of the band data cable if you would like. It is 
> only marginally?useful and most ops of non Elecraft gear seem to just 
> let the KPA500 (and KAT500) RF sense the transmitted RF to make 
> necessary selections. Be sure to read the KAT500 manual section 
> regarding "training" your tuner.
> 
> GL!
> 
> Ken
> WA2LBI
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 2:05 PM Buck <radiok4ia at gmail.com 
> <mailto:radiok4ia at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     I made up the cable from the Molex to the TUNE on the KAT500 as
>     described and have checked continuity from end to end.? All OK.
> 
>     I have the SEND from the 7610 connected to the PTT RLY on the KAT500.
> 
>     When I change bands, nothing happens.? Is there another setting I need
>     to change in the 7610?
> 
>     Buck, k4ia
>     Honor Roll
>     8BDXCC
>     EasyWayHamBooks.com
> 
>     On 4/19/2021 10:35 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
>      > Buck -
>      >
>      > The KAT500 Rev D1 Manual, pages 13, 14 and 15 cover the Icom
>     connections.
>      >
>      > The "AH4" cable (the one you're describing) powers the KAT500 and
>     controls
>      > the "Tune" function.? If yours isn't doing anything, the cable is
>     probably
>      > defective.
>      >
>      > What else do you have connected?
>      >
>      > 73
>      > Lyn, W0LEN
>      >
>      >
>      > -----Original Message-----
>      > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>     <mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
>      > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>     <mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>] On Behalf Of Buck
>      > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 7:42 AM
>      > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>      > Subject: [Elecraft] Controlling KAT500/KPA500 with Icom 7610
>      >
>      > Anyone who has succeeded, I could use some help.? The connection from
>      > the 7610 molex antenna tuner jack to the "Icom in" jack on the
>     KSAT500
>      > doesn't do anything.
>      >
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From wa2lbi at gmail.com  Mon Apr 19 15:24:42 2021
From: wa2lbi at gmail.com (Ken Winterling)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 15:24:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Controlling KAT500/KPA500 with Icom 7610
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	<215bef92-3ad7-3428-64c9-d9e63ff89153@Gmail.com>
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The cable between the IC-7610 and the KAT500 does two things. First, it
supplies power to the KAT500 so it turns on when the IC-7610 is powered up.
Second, it allows the TUNER button on the IC-7610 to cause the '7610 to
switch to CW mode and transmit an approximate 10W signal. That, in turn,
causes the KAT500 to attempt to find a matching solution to the selected
antenna. You shouldn't need one of those "tuner plugs" as that function is
built into the KAT500 when connected by the AH-4 Molex cable wiring. The
above assumes that you have the KAT500 connected to the IC-7610 ANT1
antenna port.

If your KAT500 is not working that way with the IC-7610 TUNER button then I
would recheck the cable wiring and verify that the KAT500 is connected to
ANT1 on the IC-7610. If those are good it is possible there is a problem
with the KAT500.

Good luck!

Ken
WA2LBI






On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 3:06 PM Buck <radiok4ia at gmail.com> wrote:

> Auto-sense works.  I just don't understand why Icom/Elecraft would even
> suggest hooking up the molex connector to the KAT500 if it doesn't do
> anything.  It is a waste of time.
>
> I got the W2GNY plug to fool the 7610 into transmitting as 10 signal and
> it works.  I guess I will stick with that.
>
> Buck, k4ia
> Honor Roll
> 8BDXCC
> EasyWayHamBooks.com
>
> On 4/19/2021 2:31 PM, Ken Winterling wrote:
> > Buck,
> >
> > I have had the IC-7610 and KAT500/KPA500 for almost three years and they
> > are a very nice pair (or trio..). The IC-7610 doesn't "control" the
> > KAT500 per se. Changing bands/frequencies on the IC-7610 doesn't cause
> > any response from the KAT500. Only when the IC-7610 transmits does the
> > tuner detect (sense) the RF and then adjust the capacitors and inductors
> > to match to the current antenna. An Elecraft transceiver, OTOH, does
> > communicate with the KAT500 (and KPA500) and changes
> > bands/frequencies/antenna ports as the bands and frequencies are changed.
> >
> > The KPA500 responds the same way and changes bands by sensing transmit
> > RF. You can build a "band data" cable to interface the IC-7620 to the
> > KP500 and it will, with restrictions, follow the band selected by the
> > IC-7610. The restriction is that Icom's band data voltages do not
> > support the WARC bands. As a result, both 24 mHz and 28 mHz select
> > 28mHz; both 18 mHz and 21 mHz select 21mHz. So, for all bands except
> > WARC, the KPA500 will follow band selections made on the IC-7610 (or
> > almost any other Icom such as the IC-7300, etc.).
> >
> > I can send you a diagram of the band data cable if you would like. It is
> > only marginally useful and most ops of non Elecraft gear seem to just
> > let the KPA500 (and KAT500) RF sense the transmitted RF to make
> > necessary selections. Be sure to read the KAT500 manual section
> > regarding "training" your tuner.
> >
> > GL!
> >
> > Ken
> > WA2LBI
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 2:05 PM Buck <radiok4ia at gmail.com
> > <mailto:radiok4ia at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     I made up the cable from the Molex to the TUNE on the KAT500 as
> >     described and have checked continuity from end to end.  All OK.
> >
> >     I have the SEND from the 7610 connected to the PTT RLY on the KAT500.
> >
> >     When I change bands, nothing happens.  Is there another setting I
> need
> >     to change in the 7610?
> >
> >     Buck, k4ia
> >     Honor Roll
> >     8BDXCC
> >     EasyWayHamBooks.com
> >
> >     On 4/19/2021 10:35 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
> >      > Buck -
> >      >
> >      > The KAT500 Rev D1 Manual, pages 13, 14 and 15 cover the Icom
> >     connections.
> >      >
> >      > The "AH4" cable (the one you're describing) powers the KAT500 and
> >     controls
> >      > the "Tune" function.  If yours isn't doing anything, the cable is
> >     probably
> >      > defective.
> >      >
> >      > What else do you have connected?
> >      >
> >      > 73
> >      > Lyn, W0LEN
> >      >
> >      >
> >      > -----Original Message-----
> >      > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> >     <mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> >      > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> >     <mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>] On Behalf Of Buck
> >      > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 7:42 AM
> >      > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> >      > Subject: [Elecraft] Controlling KAT500/KPA500 with Icom 7610
> >      >
> >      > Anyone who has succeeded, I could use some help.  The connection
> from
> >      > the 7610 molex antenna tuner jack to the "Icom in" jack on the
> >     KSAT500
> >      > doesn't do anything.
> >      >
> >     ______________________________________________________________
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From kd4iz at frawg.org  Mon Apr 19 15:26:45 2021
From: kd4iz at frawg.org (kd4iz at frawg.org)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 15:26:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Controlling KAT500/KPA500 with Icom 7610
In-Reply-To: <215bef92-3ad7-3428-64c9-d9e63ff89153@Gmail.com>
References: <e969f842-93f1-0987-c242-69d71c41bcf1@Gmail.com>	<2f0101d73529$3d96c020$b8c44060$@LNAINC.com>
	<215bef92-3ad7-3428-64c9-d9e63ff89153@Gmail.com>
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Buck,

I have a similar setup with an IC-7300 and my KAT500/KPA500 combo. It does
not auto band change before key up. It does change on a quick, low power
tune however. IIRC I made a not so recent inquiry to Elecraft yielded the
explanation that my experience was correct. If I can find the message I will
post the text. 

As Ken WA2LBI  indicated in his message, what I did subsequently was to
jettison the "ICOM AH4 cable" set up (KAT500 Owners Manual, pg 8 to 10) and
just used a generic Analog radio configuration. The frequency sensing
capabilities of the ATU and amp do the job fast and efficiently. Currently I
use a 4-way RCA audio switch to select the keyline sig from one of the HF
radios I use and a remote antenna/rig selector (MFJ 4724) to route the
selected rig to the amp. The KAT500 remembers my preferred HF antenna for
the band I have chosen to use so the antenna side of the MFJ is used to
switch other coaxial feeds. 

Jack Spitznagel - KD4IZ

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Buck
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 14:04
To: Lyn at LNAINC.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Controlling KAT500/KPA500 with Icom 7610

I made up the cable from the Molex to the TUNE on the KAT500 as described
and have checked continuity from end to end.  All OK.

I have the SEND from the 7610 connected to the PTT RLY on the KAT500.

When I change bands, nothing happens.  Is there another setting I need to
change in the 7610?

Buck, k4ia
Honor Roll
8BDXCC
EasyWayHamBooks.com

On 4/19/2021 10:35 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
> Buck -
> 
> The KAT500 Rev D1 Manual, pages 13, 14 and 15 cover the Icom connections.
> 
> The "AH4" cable (the one you're describing) powers the KAT500 and 
> controls the "Tune" function.  If yours isn't doing anything, the 
> cable is probably defective.
> 
> What else do you have connected?
> 
> 73
> Lyn, W0LEN
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Buck
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 7:42 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Controlling KAT500/KPA500 with Icom 7610
> 
> Anyone who has succeeded, I could use some help.  The connection from 
> the 7610 molex antenna tuner jack to the "Icom in" jack on the KSAT500 
> doesn't do anything.
> 
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From haljr.massey at gmail.com  Mon Apr 19 17:49:54 2021
From: haljr.massey at gmail.com (Hal Massey)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 15:49:54 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Controlling KAT500/KPA500 with Icom 7610
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References: <e969f842-93f1-0987-c242-69d71c41bcf1@Gmail.com>
	<2f0101d73529$3d96c020$b8c44060$@LNAINC.com>
	<215bef92-3ad7-3428-64c9-d9e63ff89153@Gmail.com>
	<CALK4bwiOHkzSgBUnkZJf1QdAqBDS3p7AuqYVafNN4x31eqabCg@mail.gmail.com>
	<64fbf103-c877-6a3c-e3e9-2a152d4d5ed2@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46B91683-DC79-427D-AA7E-5F99F7AC4ACA@gmail.com>

Hi Buck,

I appreciate the continuity tests you did on your cable. Can you functionally test the cable? With the cable connected to the 7610 are the correct signals at the cable outputs?

Regards
-Hal / WB6NNR

> On Apr 19, 2021, at 1:06 PM, Buck <radiok4ia at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Auto-sense works.  I just don't understand why Icom/Elecraft would even suggest hooking up the molex connector to the KAT500 if it doesn't do anything.  It is a waste of time.
> 
> I got the W2GNY plug to fool the 7610 into transmitting as 10 signal and it works.  I guess I will stick with that.
> 
> Buck, k4ia
> Honor Roll
> 8BDXCC
> EasyWayHamBooks.com
> 
> On 4/19/2021 2:31 PM, Ken Winterling wrote:
>> Buck,
>> I have had the IC-7610 and KAT500/KPA500 for almost three years and they are a very nice pair (or trio..). The IC-7610 doesn't "control" the KAT500 per se. Changing bands/frequencies on the IC-7610 doesn't cause any response from the KAT500. Only when the IC-7610 transmits does the tuner detect (sense) the RF and then adjust the capacitors and inductors to match to the current antenna. An Elecraft transceiver, OTOH, does communicate with the KAT500 (and KPA500) and changes bands/frequencies/antenna ports as the bands and frequencies are changed.
>> The KPA500 responds the same way and changes bands by sensing transmit RF. You can build a "band data" cable to interface the IC-7620 to the KP500 and it will, with restrictions, follow the band selected by the IC-7610. The restriction is that Icom's band data voltages do not support the WARC bands. As a result, both 24 mHz and 28 mHz select 28mHz; both 18 mHz and 21 mHz select 21mHz. So, for all bands except WARC, the KPA500 will follow band selections made on the IC-7610 (or almost any other Icom such as the IC-7300, etc.).
>> I can send you a diagram of the band data cable if you would like. It is only marginally useful and most ops of non Elecraft gear seem to just let the KPA500 (and KAT500) RF sense the transmitted RF to make necessary selections. Be sure to read the KAT500 manual section regarding "training" your tuner.
>> GL!
>> Ken
>> WA2LBI
>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 2:05 PM Buck <radiok4ia at gmail.com <mailto:radiok4ia at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>    I made up the cable from the Molex to the TUNE on the KAT500 as
>>    described and have checked continuity from end to end.  All OK.
>>    I have the SEND from the 7610 connected to the PTT RLY on the KAT500.
>>    When I change bands, nothing happens.  Is there another setting I need
>>    to change in the 7610?
>>    Buck, k4ia
>>    Honor Roll
>>    8BDXCC
>>    EasyWayHamBooks.com
>>    On 4/19/2021 10:35 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
>>     > Buck -
>>     >
>>     > The KAT500 Rev D1 Manual, pages 13, 14 and 15 cover the Icom
>>    connections.
>>     >
>>     > The "AH4" cable (the one you're describing) powers the KAT500 and
>>    controls
>>     > the "Tune" function.  If yours isn't doing anything, the cable is
>>    probably
>>     > defective.
>>     >
>>     > What else do you have connected?
>>     >
>>     > 73
>>     > Lyn, W0LEN
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > -----Original Message-----
>>     > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>    <mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
>>     > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>    <mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>] On Behalf Of Buck
>>     > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 7:42 AM
>>     > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>>     > Subject: [Elecraft] Controlling KAT500/KPA500 with Icom 7610
>>     >
>>     > Anyone who has succeeded, I could use some help.  The connection from
>>     > the 7610 molex antenna tuner jack to the "Icom in" jack on the
>>    KSAT500
>>     > doesn't do anything.
>>     >
>>    ______________________________________________________________
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From radiok4ia at gmail.com  Mon Apr 19 18:34:00 2021
From: radiok4ia at gmail.com (Buck)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 18:34:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Controlling KAT500/KPA500 with Icom 7610
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	<215bef92-3ad7-3428-64c9-d9e63ff89153@Gmail.com>
	<CALK4bwiOHkzSgBUnkZJf1QdAqBDS3p7AuqYVafNN4x31eqabCg@mail.gmail.com>
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I don't know what the correct signals are.  Haven't been able to find 
that data

k4ia, Buck
K3s# 11497
Honor Roll  8B DXCC
EasyWayHamBooks.com

On 4/19/2021 5:49 PM, Hal Massey wrote:
> Hi Buck,
> 
> I appreciate the continuity tests you did on your cable. Can you functionally test the cable? With the cable connected to the 7610 are the correct signals at the cable outputs?
> 
> Regards
> -Hal / WB6NNR
> 
>> On Apr 19, 2021, at 1:06 PM, Buck <radiok4ia at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Auto-sense works.  I just don't understand why Icom/Elecraft would even suggest hooking up the molex connector to the KAT500 if it doesn't do anything.  It is a waste of time.
>>
>> I got the W2GNY plug to fool the 7610 into transmitting as 10 signal and it works.  I guess I will stick with that.
>>
>> Buck, k4ia
>> Honor Roll
>> 8BDXCC
>> EasyWayHamBooks.com
>>
>> On 4/19/2021 2:31 PM, Ken Winterling wrote:
>>> Buck,
>>> I have had the IC-7610 and KAT500/KPA500 for almost three years and they are a very nice pair (or trio..). The IC-7610 doesn't "control" the KAT500 per se. Changing bands/frequencies on the IC-7610 doesn't cause any response from the KAT500. Only when the IC-7610 transmits does the tuner detect (sense) the RF and then adjust the capacitors and inductors to match to the current antenna. An Elecraft transceiver, OTOH, does communicate with the KAT500 (and KPA500) and changes bands/frequencies/antenna ports as the bands and frequencies are changed.
>>> The KPA500 responds the same way and changes bands by sensing transmit RF. You can build a "band data" cable to interface the IC-7620 to the KP500 and it will, with restrictions, follow the band selected by the IC-7610. The restriction is that Icom's band data voltages do not support the WARC bands. As a result, both 24 mHz and 28 mHz select 28mHz; both 18 mHz and 21 mHz select 21mHz. So, for all bands except WARC, the KPA500 will follow band selections made on the IC-7610 (or almost any other Icom such as the IC-7300, etc.).
>>> I can send you a diagram of the band data cable if you would like. It is only marginally useful and most ops of non Elecraft gear seem to just let the KPA500 (and KAT500) RF sense the transmitted RF to make necessary selections. Be sure to read the KAT500 manual section regarding "training" your tuner.
>>> GL!
>>> Ken
>>> WA2LBI
>>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 2:05 PM Buck <radiok4ia at gmail.com <mailto:radiok4ia at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>     I made up the cable from the Molex to the TUNE on the KAT500 as
>>>     described and have checked continuity from end to end.  All OK.
>>>     I have the SEND from the 7610 connected to the PTT RLY on the KAT500.
>>>     When I change bands, nothing happens.  Is there another setting I need
>>>     to change in the 7610?
>>>     Buck, k4ia
>>>     Honor Roll
>>>     8BDXCC
>>>     EasyWayHamBooks.com
>>>     On 4/19/2021 10:35 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
>>>      > Buck -
>>>      >
>>>      > The KAT500 Rev D1 Manual, pages 13, 14 and 15 cover the Icom
>>>     connections.
>>>      >
>>>      > The "AH4" cable (the one you're describing) powers the KAT500 and
>>>     controls
>>>      > the "Tune" function.  If yours isn't doing anything, the cable is
>>>     probably
>>>      > defective.
>>>      >
>>>      > What else do you have connected?
>>>      >
>>>      > 73
>>>      > Lyn, W0LEN
>>>      >
>>>      >
>>>      > -----Original Message-----
>>>      > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>>     <mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
>>>      > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>>     <mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>] On Behalf Of Buck
>>>      > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 7:42 AM
>>>      > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>>>      > Subject: [Elecraft] Controlling KAT500/KPA500 with Icom 7610
>>>      >
>>>      > Anyone who has succeeded, I could use some help.  The connection from
>>>      > the 7610 molex antenna tuner jack to the "Icom in" jack on the
>>>     KSAT500
>>>      > doesn't do anything.
>>>      >
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From ewrjunkmail at gmail.com  Mon Apr 19 20:30:43 2021
From: ewrjunkmail at gmail.com (eric robertson)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 19:30:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: KXPA100 preferably with KXAT100
Message-ID: <3BAA6323-EB64-47F8-A627-79BDDD8261EA@gmail.com>

?Please let me know if your are interested in selling.  Must be in excellent condition.  Thx.
Eric Robertson
ewrjunkmail at gmail.com
KI5PCZ

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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Apr 19 20:52:54 2021
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 19:52:54 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Question
Message-ID: <1fdca97e-48ab-4864-d52e-b9d521ac4f1e@blomand.net>


I'd say the switching FETs have failed.??? Correctly operating, there is 
no measurable attenuation in the receive line when in OPER or STBY modes.

As to T/R switching, make sure the amp is? in receive and not in 
transmit when your radio is in receive.?? Any of the items in the amp 
display preceded with a * indicates the amp is in transmit mode.?? If 
so, something is pulling the KEY line to ground.

73

Bob, K4TAX



Message: 1
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 17:36:48 -0400
From:<ws6x.ars at gmail.com>
To:<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Question
Message-ID:<001001d7349a$f0a01570$d1e04050$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

I just purchased a used KPA500 (SN 0456) from a close friend. The amp was
just back to the factory for several repairs and was thoroughly tested. The
report reads, "KPA500 #0456 meets or exceeds all factory specifications." My
friend unboxed the amp and made several QSOs to be sure all issues were
fixed. He then personally delivered the amp to my QTH.
Over the weekend I got the amp added to my operating position and was quite
surprised to find that input signals are attenuated significantly when the
amp is switched from STBY to OPER. No, this is NOT the issue with having the
aux cable and the PA key line connected at the same time. This is with NO PA
key, and NO aux cable connected. The amp has no connection but RF input and
output. It is independent of band. This is with a matched antenna, band
switched manually with the front panel buttons. When I engage OPER the input
signal is attenuated by ~20 dB.
On the TX side, the amp is fine. On most bands I get full rated output into
a dummy load with approx. 20 Watts of drive from the K3.
I noticed on the service report, one of the tests was, "Tested receive
attenuation and IMD." I'm curious about "receive attenuation." This would
seem to be related to my problem. Looking at the block diagram, I surmise
something in the TR switch is malfunctioning.
Before I bug an already-overloaded Elecraft support, I am open to
suggestions. Am I missing something obvious?
TIA es 73,
Jim - WS6X
P.S. Yes, I have read the manual, and scoured the archives. The only thing I
can find regarding input attenuation in the OPER mode involves incorrect
cabling.



From ab2tc at arrl.net  Mon Apr 19 21:04:06 2021
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 18:04:06 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3A switching frequencies and  performance
In-Reply-To: <952861352.807095.1618838224230@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <B0.85.26959.59DB9706@smtp01.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
	<952861352.807095.1618838224230@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1618880646193-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Russ,

Your response made *very* curious so I checked out my own K3S. I can confirm
the two switchover frequencies you mention (1700 and 3300kHz), but observe
at most a couple of dB change when crossing the boundaries. I use an
external panadapter (LP-PAN/NaP3 connected to IF-OUT) so I can easily see
the same stations and noise while tuning across the boundaries. On the
1700kHz boundary the signals are a couple, maybe 3dB stronger when below
1700kHz. So it sounds to me that the filters in your KBPF3A are not being
switched in when it is supposed to be used. The KBPF3 needs to be enabled
(set to "nor") in the configuration menu. Have you checked that?

Hmm, I neglected to carefully read the last part of your post. It sounds
like your KBPF3A might be working above 4210kHz so may be just the 2 lowest
bands are defective. If you look at the schematic you see that those two
bands use the same filter but with some components switched in and out by
another relay (K2). So that could narrow the problem down to one relay (K1)
not operating. Is this a *new* problem or has it been like this since you
got the K3 or installed the KBPF3A?

Knut - AB2TC


Elecraft mailing list wrote
> Hi Ben:
> You had me curious with your request.? I started to check my KBPF3
> (modified to the "A") and noticed something that now bothers me.? I tried
> going down from 160M and it appears that the switch over to the AM
> broadcast band occurs precisely at 1700,000? Kc.? When I tune to? 1.699999
> the relays click.? But the anomaly(?) I am seeing at the switchover point
> is a big drop in the signal level.? At my QTH during the daytime the
> nominal noise level at 1700.000 Kc is about S7.? When I switch to 1.699999
> the noise level drops to S2.? At the high end the switchover occurs at
> 2109.999+ with a drop in the noise level from S9+10 to S3.? I don't use
> the K3 for listening to AMBCB but only in the case of checking my 160M?
> receiving loops with some stations high in the AM Band.? I checked on 80M
> and got similar results.? At the low side the switch occurred at 3299.999
> with a drop in the noise level from S5 to S2.? On the high side the
> switchover occurred at 4209.999+ but here the noise level increased from
> S4 to S6. I don't know if this helps you any on at least these 2 bands.?
> If I get the time I'll try to check the rest.? Now I'm bothered by the
> changes in signal levels at the switchover points (ignorance is bliss).?
> ?I wonder if anyone else has ever noticed this or do I have an issue with
> my KBPF3?
> 
> Russ, N3CO
>     On Friday, April 16, 2021, 12:39:28 PM EDT, w4sc &lt;

> w4sc@

> &gt; wrote:  
>  
>  Looking for details of switch over frequencies and expected performance
> of the KBPF3A in its various bands, 
> 
> There is improvement in the BCB and below 500KHz with the KBPF3A enabled,
> however the other SW BCB bands I have tried are lacking.
> 
> Has anyone measured the performance of the KBPF3A?
> 
> Ben W4SC
> 
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Apr 19 21:13:59 2021
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 18:13:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Miniature version of AX1 whip
Message-ID: <16610F6C-A14E-407C-9568-9E3510E2CE8B@elecraft.com>

I'm always trying to further shrink my KX2 station, especially for hand-held operation. 

Recently I've been playing with a miniature base loading coil for the the AX1 whip. It's very rugged, but also really small:

   Length = 2.0"     (1/3rd of the AX1)
   Weight = 0.7 oz   (1/3rd of the AX1)

It takes up almost no room in a go-bag, making it a great backup for other antennas. Wind load is also greatly reduced -- that will help when using the AXB1 bipod.

Compared to the AX1 it will have a somewhat reduced max power rating (probably 10 W), and it only covers one band. On the other hand, it could be built for any band from 20 to 6 meters, and disassembles into two pieces like the AX1. 

I consider it experimental at this point, and I'd love to get some feedback on the concept. We'll have some prototypes to send out sometime in the near future to a few volunteer testers.

Please contact me directly if you're interested.

73,
Wayne 
N6KR


From aa4lr at arrl.net  Mon Apr 19 22:01:33 2021
From: aa4lr at arrl.net (Bill Coleman)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 22:01:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 filter optimisation
In-Reply-To: <CAJ3y5LnBjVpCtyrPWw2HpemqwpADqHCeHuOux7=p_FWeRfAzqg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ3y5LnBjVpCtyrPWw2HpemqwpADqHCeHuOux7=p_FWeRfAzqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A17D1F5D-90CD-4764-BB9F-EBBBE388B6DB@arrl.net>



> On Feb 12, 2021, at 3:59 AM, Ian Maude <maudeij at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> When I originally aligned this (back in 2004) I was able to use Spectrogram
> to align the filters well.  Is there a modern replacement for this,
> preferably for Mac?

I use CocoaModem, which has a pretty good spectral display, perfectly adequate for adjusting the filters on the K2.

Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL        Mail: aa4lr at arrl.net
Web: http://boringhamradiopart.blogspot.com
Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!"
           -- Wilbur Wright, 1901


From pe1hzg at xs4all.nl  Tue Apr 20 06:13:26 2021
From: pe1hzg at xs4all.nl (Geert Jan de Groot)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 12:13:26 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3/P3 last-time order
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7907.1618871710.3572.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.7907.1618871710.3572.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <7a66b82e-3036-82b6-f67a-795d658d2991@xs4all.nl>

I received a mail from Elecraft sales pointing to
https://elecraft.com/pages/k3-k3s-options

This is the next step for the last-time K3/P3 order - order what you 
want now or forget it!

Judging by the questions on list many people will still want to order 
something - this is the last chance..

73,

Geert Jan PE1HZG

From erusst at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 20 10:07:02 2021
From: erusst at yahoo.com (Russ Tobolic)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 14:07:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3A switching frequencies and  performance
In-Reply-To: <1618880646193-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <B0.85.26959.59DB9706@smtp01.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
	<952861352.807095.1618838224230@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1618880646193-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1401515242.2303759.1618927622464@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi Knut:
I couldn't tell you if this is a new problem as I didn't notice anything amiss until I started checking switchover frequencies to answer W4SC's question.? I verified that the KBPF3 is enabled in the config menu.? ?I bought the used KBPF3 about 4-5 years ago from another ham and don't remember who it was.? It came with the instructions to modify it to the "A" version.? I can't remember if it was already modified or if I did it myself.? I do know that I did install the 220uF capacitor on the main board of the K3.? Arrrgh, I guess I'll have to tear everything apart to check if the mods were done correctly before proceeding.? Thanks for your information.
Russ, N3CO
    On Monday, April 19, 2021, 09:04:58 PM EDT, ab2tc <ab2tc at arrl.net> wrote:  
 
 Hi Russ,

Your response made *very* curious so I checked out my own K3S. I can confirm
the two switchover frequencies you mention (1700 and 3300kHz), but observe
at most a couple of dB change when crossing the boundaries. I use an
external panadapter (LP-PAN/NaP3 connected to IF-OUT) so I can easily see
the same stations and noise while tuning across the boundaries. On the
1700kHz boundary the signals are a couple, maybe 3dB stronger when below
1700kHz. So it sounds to me that the filters in your KBPF3A are not being
switched in when it is supposed to be used. The KBPF3 needs to be enabled
(set to "nor") in the configuration menu. Have you checked that?

Hmm, I neglected to carefully read the last part of your post. It sounds
like your KBPF3A might be working above 4210kHz so may be just the 2 lowest
bands are defective. If you look at the schematic you see that those two
bands use the same filter but with some components switched in and out by
another relay (K2). So that could narrow the problem down to one relay (K1)
not operating. Is this a *new* problem or has it been like this since you
got the K3 or installed the KBPF3A?

Knut - AB2TC


Elecraft mailing list wrote
> Hi Ben:
> You had me curious with your request.? I started to check my KBPF3
> (modified to the "A") and noticed something that now bothers me.? I tried
> going down from 160M and it appears that the switch over to the AM
> broadcast band occurs precisely at 1700,000? Kc.? When I tune to? 1.699999
> the relays click.? But the anomaly(?) I am seeing at the switchover point
> is a big drop in the signal level.? At my QTH during the daytime the
> nominal noise level at 1700.000 Kc is about S7.? When I switch to 1.699999
> the noise level drops to S2.? At the high end the switchover occurs at
> 2109.999+ with a drop in the noise level from S9+10 to S3.? I don't use
> the K3 for listening to AMBCB but only in the case of checking my 160M?
> receiving loops with some stations high in the AM Band.? I checked on 80M
> and got similar results.? At the low side the switch occurred at 3299.999
> with a drop in the noise level from S5 to S2.? On the high side the
> switchover occurred at 4209.999+ but here the noise level increased from
> S4 to S6. I don't know if this helps you any on at least these 2 bands.?
> If I get the time I'll try to check the rest.? Now I'm bothered by the
> changes in signal levels at the switchover points (ignorance is bliss).?
> ?I wonder if anyone else has ever noticed this or do I have an issue with
> my KBPF3?
> 
> Russ, N3CO
>? ? On Friday, April 16, 2021, 12:39:28 PM EDT, w4sc &lt;

> w4sc@

> &gt; wrote:? 
>? 
>? Looking for details of switch over frequencies and expected performance
> of the KBPF3A in its various bands, 
> 
> There is improvement in the BCB and below 500KHz with the KBPF3A enabled,
> however the other SW BCB bands I have tried are lacking.
> 
> Has anyone measured the performance of the KBPF3A?
> 
> Ben W4SC
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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From bill at wjschmidt.com  Tue Apr 20 11:33:31 2021
From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 10:33:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FW:  Elecraft K3/P3 last-time order
In-Reply-To: <7a66b82e-3036-82b6-f67a-795d658d2991@xs4all.nl>
References: <mailman.7907.1618871710.3572.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
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I must have missed that email...??  and I wondered when they would start
taking orders for the upgrades.  Anyway take note if you still want K3/K3s
parts before they are gone!


Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ 

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email:? bill at wjschmidt.com


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Geert Jan de Groot
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 5:13 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3/P3 last-time order

I received a mail from Elecraft sales pointing to
https://elecraft.com/pages/k3-k3s-options

This is the next step for the last-time K3/P3 order - order what you want
now or forget it!

Judging by the questions on list many people will still want to order
something - this is the last chance..

73,

Geert Jan PE1HZG
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From ruler55 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 20 11:36:48 2021
From: ruler55 at gmail.com (Robie Elms)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 10:36:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Elecraft K3/P3 last-time order
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Bill,

They are taking deposits now.

Robie - AJ4F

On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:34 AM Dr. William J. Schmidt <bill at wjschmidt.com>
wrote:

> I must have missed that email...??  and I wondered when they would start
> taking orders for the upgrades.  Anyway take note if you still want K3/K3s
> parts before they are gone!
>
>
> Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ
>
> Moderator ? North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.
>
> email:  bill at wjschmidt.com
>
>
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> On
> Behalf Of Geert Jan de Groot
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 5:13 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3/P3 last-time order
>
> I received a mail from Elecraft sales pointing to
> https://elecraft.com/pages/k3-k3s-options
>
> This is the next step for the last-time K3/P3 order - order what you want
> now or forget it!
>
> Judging by the questions on list many people will still want to order
> something - this is the last chance..
>
> 73,
>
> Geert Jan PE1HZG
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From bill at wjschmidt.com  Tue Apr 20 11:51:03 2021
From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 10:51:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Elecraft K3/P3 last-time order
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References: <mailman.7907.1618871710.3572.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
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Yes.  And the salient part of this is that I missed the email about taking deposits?  When did it go out?

 

 

Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ 

 

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email:   <mailto:bill at wjschmidt.com> bill at wjschmidt.com

 

 

From: Robie Elms <ruler55 at gmail.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 10:37 AM
To: bill at wjschmidt.com
Cc: Elecraft Mail List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: Elecraft K3/P3 last-time order

 

Bill,

 

They are taking deposits now.

 

Robie - AJ4F

 

On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:34 AM Dr. William J. Schmidt <bill at wjschmidt.com <mailto:bill at wjschmidt.com> > wrote:

I must have missed that email...??  and I wondered when they would start
taking orders for the upgrades.  Anyway take note if you still want K3/K3s
parts before they are gone!


Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ 

Moderator ? North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

email:  bill at wjschmidt.com <mailto:bill at wjschmidt.com> 


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Behalf Of Geert Jan de Groot
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 5:13 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3/P3 last-time order

I received a mail from Elecraft sales pointing to
https://elecraft.com/pages/k3-k3s-options

This is the next step for the last-time K3/P3 order - order what you want
now or forget it!

Judging by the questions on list many people will still want to order
something - this is the last chance..

73,

Geert Jan PE1HZG
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From w4sc at windstream.net  Tue Apr 20 11:57:48 2021
From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 11:57:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3A switching frequencies and  performance
Message-ID: <CF.3A.01565.EF9FE706@smtp02.aqua.bos.sync.lan>

A little back ground,,

The effort started as a result of my using WWV at 15.000000 MHz for calibrating the reference oscillator.  Tuning from 14.999999 to 15.000000 MHz I noticed a 9 to 12 Db drop in signal strength of WWV.  

I could hear relays? switching at the 14.999999 to 15.000000 MHz boundary.  This lead to making a list of (?suspected?) switching points by tuning from low 1MHz through 30MHz listening  Looking at schematics of the KBPF3/A I  heard switching at some points that did not make sense, with the 14.999999 to 15.000000 MHz boundary being one.

It is not easy to probe the KBPF3A in my K3S-100 to check which relays are bein set/reset because of the installed KRX3A.  I have a K3S-10, but will need to install a KBPF3/A to check the 14.999999 to 15.000000 MHz boundary and   gather the information. (PENDING)

de Ben W4SC

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From n6lrv at outlook.com  Tue Apr 20 12:07:10 2021
From: n6lrv at outlook.com (n6lrv at outlook.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 16:07:10 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Miniature version of AX1 whip
In-Reply-To: <16610F6C-A14E-407C-9568-9E3510E2CE8B@elecraft.com>
References: <16610F6C-A14E-407C-9568-9E3510E2CE8B@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR20MB279053397D0C8EC97BB561D0EC489@BYAPR20MB2790.namprd20.prod.outlook.com>

Wayne,
did you mean to write 2.0 inches for the length? Did you mean 2.0 feet (2.0')?

Gary

________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 6:13 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Miniature version of AX1 whip

I'm always trying to further shrink my KX2 station, especially for hand-held operation.

Recently I've been playing with a miniature base loading coil for the the AX1 whip. It's very rugged, but also really small:

   Length = 2.0"     (1/3rd of the AX1)
   Weight = 0.7 oz   (1/3rd of the AX1)

It takes up almost no room in a go-bag, making it a great backup for other antennas. Wind load is also greatly reduced -- that will help when using the AXB1 bipod.

Compared to the AX1 it will have a somewhat reduced max power rating (probably 10 W), and it only covers one band. On the other hand, it could be built for any band from 20 to 6 meters, and disassembles into two pieces like the AX1.

I consider it experimental at this point, and I'd love to get some feedback on the concept. We'll have some prototypes to send out sometime in the near future to a few volunteer testers.

Please contact me directly if you're interested.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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From w4sc at windstream.net  Tue Apr 20 12:19:21 2021
From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 12:19:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Elecraft K3/P3 last-time order
Message-ID: <BC.03.09538.B0FFE706@smtp03.aqua.bos.sync.lan>

Several months ago there was a request for ?Who is interested? in K3/K3S  modules and accessories.  I suspect if you did not express an interest, you may NOT have received the latest email of Monday 19 April with the link to an order page for making a half or full deposit on the items planned for ?last build? activity.  I don?t see this link on the Elecraft site, though it may appear later.

Ben W4SC

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From w4sc at windstream.net  Tue Apr 20 12:35:48 2021
From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 12:35:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3A switching frequencies and  performance
Message-ID: <44.A6.01565.6E20F706@smtp02.aqua.bos.sync.lan>

Russ,

Unfortunately, it appears you may have a defective KBPF3A. (Modified KBPF3).  I actually see a slight increase in band noise below 1.7MHz with my K3S-100, which has KBPF3A installed.

Ben W4SC

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Tue Apr 20 12:52:38 2021
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 11:52:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Miniature version of AX1 whip
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR20MB279053397D0C8EC97BB561D0EC489@BYAPR20MB2790.namprd20.prod.outlook.com>
References: <16610F6C-A14E-407C-9568-9E3510E2CE8B@elecraft.com>
	<BYAPR20MB279053397D0C8EC97BB561D0EC489@BYAPR20MB2790.namprd20.prod.outlook.com>
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Gary -

I think he's talking about the length of the loading coil, not the whole
whip.  So 2.0 inches would be appropriate.

73
Lyn, W0LEN


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of n6lrv at outlook.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 11:07 AM
To: Wayne Burdick; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Miniature version of AX1 whip

Wayne,
did you mean to write 2.0 inches for the length? Did you mean 2.0 feet
(2.0')?

Gary

________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on
behalf of Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 6:13 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Miniature version of AX1 whip

I'm always trying to further shrink my KX2 station, especially for hand-held
operation.

Recently I've been playing with a miniature base loading coil for the the
AX1 whip. It's very rugged, but also really small:

   Length = 2.0"     (1/3rd of the AX1)
   Weight = 0.7 oz   (1/3rd of the AX1)

It takes up almost no room in a go-bag, making it a great backup for other
antennas. Wind load is also greatly reduced -- that will help when using the
AXB1 bipod.

Compared to the AX1 it will have a somewhat reduced max power rating
(probably 10 W), and it only covers one band. On the other hand, it could be
built for any band from 20 to 6 meters, and disassembles into two pieces
like the AX1.

I consider it experimental at this point, and I'd love to get some feedback
on the concept. We'll have some prototypes to send out sometime in the near
future to a few volunteer testers.

Please contact me directly if you're interested.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Tue Apr 20 12:59:02 2021
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 09:59:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Miniature version of AX1 whip
In-Reply-To: <364e01d73605$92adf790$b809e6b0$@LNAINC.com>
References: <364e01d73605$92adf790$b809e6b0$@LNAINC.com>
Message-ID: <94D27AA1-DF45-41D4-AC71-78394DDA4620@elecraft.com>

Correct. 2? loading coil, 45? whip. 

Wayne
N6KR

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> On Apr 20, 2021, at 9:52 AM, Lyn Norstad <Lyn at lnainc.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Gary -
> 
> I think he's talking about the length of the loading coil, not the whole
> whip.  So 2.0 inches would be appropriate.
> 
> 73
> Lyn, W0LEN
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of n6lrv at outlook.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 11:07 AM
> To: Wayne Burdick; Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Miniature version of AX1 whip
> 
> Wayne,
> did you mean to write 2.0 inches for the length? Did you mean 2.0 feet
> (2.0')?
> 
> Gary
> 
> ________________________________
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on
> behalf of Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 6:13 PM
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Miniature version of AX1 whip
> 
> I'm always trying to further shrink my KX2 station, especially for hand-held
> operation.
> 
> Recently I've been playing with a miniature base loading coil for the the
> AX1 whip. It's very rugged, but also really small:
> 
>   Length = 2.0"     (1/3rd of the AX1)
>   Weight = 0.7 oz   (1/3rd of the AX1)
> 
> It takes up almost no room in a go-bag, making it a great backup for other
> antennas. Wind load is also greatly reduced -- that will help when using the
> AXB1 bipod.
> 
> Compared to the AX1 it will have a somewhat reduced max power rating
> (probably 10 W), and it only covers one band. On the other hand, it could be
> built for any band from 20 to 6 meters, and disassembles into two pieces
> like the AX1.
> 
> I consider it experimental at this point, and I'd love to get some feedback
> on the concept. We'll have some prototypes to send out sometime in the near
> future to a few volunteer testers.
> 
> Please contact me directly if you're interested.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
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From jasimmons at pinewooddata.com  Tue Apr 20 13:57:15 2021
From: jasimmons at pinewooddata.com (John Simmons)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 12:57:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3/P3 last-time order
In-Reply-To: <7a66b82e-3036-82b6-f67a-795d658d2991@xs4all.nl>
References: <mailman.7907.1618871710.3572.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<7a66b82e-3036-82b6-f67a-795d658d2991@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <1ec84267-47ed-f479-2aa1-7f8c4c967b53@pinewooddata.com>

What is the difference between 'half dupl' and full dupl'?

-de John NI0K

Geert Jan de Groot wrote on 4/20/2021 5:13 AM:
> I received a mail from Elecraft sales pointing to
> https://elecraft.com/pages/k3-k3s-options
>
> This is the next step for the last-time K3/P3 order - order what you 
> want now or forget it!
>
> Judging by the questions on list many people will still want to order 
> something - this is the last chance..
>
> 73,
>
> Geert Jan PE1HZG
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From don at w3fpr.com  Tue Apr 20 14:20:16 2021
From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 14:20:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3/P3 last-time order
In-Reply-To: <1ec84267-47ed-f479-2aa1-7f8c4c967b53@pinewooddata.com>
References: <mailman.7907.1618871710.3572.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<7a66b82e-3036-82b6-f67a-795d658d2991@xs4all.nl>
	<1ec84267-47ed-f479-2aa1-7f8c4c967b53@pinewooddata.com>
Message-ID: <53656616-ba3e-9150-93c1-613ff01701e5@w3fpr.com>

John,

Deposit 1/2 the price now, or deposit the full price.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/20/2021 1:57 PM, John Simmons wrote:
> What is the difference between 'half dupl' and full dupl'?
>


From k7sss at aol.com  Tue Apr 20 14:24:30 2021
From: k7sss at aol.com (k7sss at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 18:24:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft]  Elecraft K3/P3 last-time order
References: <238925466.2085477.1618943070723.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <238925466.2085477.1618943070723@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,Full Duplex is TX and Rx at the same time, but on different freqs, A repeater is full duplex.?Half Duplex is Tx OR Rx each different freqs and not at the same time. Your HH or mobile is Half duplex..One you missed is Simplex which is Tx OR Rx on the same freq. You HH or mobile can be simplex.73Jim HK7sss? ??In a message dated 4/20/2021 10:59:30 AM Pacific Standard Time, jasimmons at pinewooddata.com writes:?
What is the difference between 'half dupl' and full dupl'?

-de John NI0K

From paul.gacek at me.com  Tue Apr 20 15:32:55 2021
From: paul.gacek at me.com (Paul GACEK)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 12:32:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Elecraft K3/P3 last-time order
In-Reply-To: <BC.03.09538.B0FFE706@smtp03.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
References: <BC.03.09538.B0FFE706@smtp03.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
Message-ID: <6191933B-FB99-42FE-8757-D3199E034295@me.com>

It?s on Elecraft?s web site to make it even easier for us.

https://elecraft.com/products/k3s-transceiver

Paul

> On Apr 20, 2021, at 9:20 AM, w4sc <w4sc at windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Several months ago there was a request for ?Who is interested? in K3/K3S  modules and accessories.  I suspect if you did not express an interest, you may NOT have received the latest email of Monday 19 April with the link to an order page for making a half or full deposit on the items planned for ?last build? activity.  I don?t see this link on the Elecraft site, though it may appear later.
> 
> Ben W4SC
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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From hbjr at optilink.us  Tue Apr 20 17:42:11 2021
From: hbjr at optilink.us (Hank)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 17:42:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S KTCXO3-1 possible problem
In-Reply-To: <000d01d7151f$000c3b10$0024b130$@gmail.com>
References: <F9051EFE71534E6EB940E942005889EC@WIN7LowProfile>
	<000d01d7151f$000c3b10$0024b130$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d930f053814c7a1f3e33aa114820ff76@optilink.us>


Anyone tried one of these?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/KTCXO-3-Compatible-Elecraft-K3-TCXO-1-PPM-High-Stability-Ref-Osc-Compatible/182814802678?hash=item2a909c82f6:g:7qsAAOSwWr5Z2Y7t

73,
Hank
K4HYJ


----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Cizek W0VTT (mgcizek at gmail.com)
Date: 03/09/21 15:02
To: Gary Peterson (kzerocx at gmail.com), elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S KTCXO3-1 possible problem

Hello Gary,

Elecraft reported having problems with the TCXOs a while back. ?Mine isn't very well behaved, either, but it stays within a few Hertz compared to WWV on 10 MHz.

----
73,
Mike Cizek W0VTT

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Gary Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March, 2021 13:40
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S KTCXO3-1 possible problem

I have a K3S, purchased factory built, February 2019. ?This included the 1 ppm TCXO3-1-F option. ?

A few months later, I noticed that SSB signals heard on 50.125.000 MHz all sounded a bit off frequency. ?Hence, I performed a reference oscillator calibration, using method 2. ?Because of my relatively short distance to WWV, the variability in the signal strength made its use difficult. ?Instead, I used a GPS disciplined TCXO as my 10 MHz standard. ?The GPSDO had been on for several hours before any calibration and the transceiver had been on for, at least, three hours. ?The frequency display on the K3S was set to 10.000.000 MHz. ?Beats were displayed on a Weston VU meter, driven by an opamp, connected across the external speaker output. ?This allows beats to be easily seen, that are less than one per second.

The REF CAL as received from the factory was 49.379.766 On 7/10/2019, I changed the REF CAL setting to 49.379.448 ?(I chalked this change up to possible crystal aging.) On 11/30/2019, the REF CAL setting was changed to 49.379.110 On 3/1/2020 the REF CAL setting was changed to 49.378.926 On 1/16/2021 REF CAL was changed to 49.378.495 On 1/30/2021 REF CAL was changed to 49.378.484 On 2/22/2021 REF CAL was changed to ?49.378.508 (the first time the setting has been increased)

I have also noticed a change of several Hz in the beat note between the transceiver having been on for half an hour and having been on for three or four hours. ?This seems odd behavior to me for a high stability, 1 ppm TCXO. ?The transceiver is in a room, with a temperature of 70, plus or minus, 3 degrees Fahrenheit. ?There is nothing on top of the transceiver and there is plenty of space below, behind and on either side of the radio. ?There are no other heat sources near the transceiver. ?

Am I being overly critical, or do you think this is unusual behavior for a KTCXO3-1?

I posed this question to Elecraft tech support. ?The reply did not address my question as to whether this KTCXO3-1 is misbehaving. ?The reply only said that ?We have no KTCXO3-1 and have no orders to restock at this time.? ?The tech, who replied, also gave me sourcing information for, apparently, the oscillator part on the board.

Thanks in advance for any time taken to reply to my post.

Gary, K?CX







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From ed.n3cw at gmail.com  Tue Apr 20 18:26:58 2021
From: ed.n3cw at gmail.com (Ed G)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 18:26:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Mini
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Hello,
     Will the K3/0 Mini remote control work with the K4?  I suspect not but thought I would ask.
--Ed, N3CW?




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From huntinhmb at coastside.net  Tue Apr 20 19:22:45 2021
From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 16:22:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3A switching frequencies and performance
In-Reply-To: <CF.3A.01565.EF9FE706@smtp02.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
References: <CF.3A.01565.EF9FE706@smtp02.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
Message-ID: <0befc15e-0579-6a79-4c8d-911b2707efc5@coastside.net>

This thread also got my curiosity up.? Several years ago I upgraded my 
K3 #41xx with the KBPF3 including the 'A' mod of the capacitor on the RF 
board.? I never really checked it out except for the 630 meter coverage 
and transmit capability - both were as advertised.

Using a wideband noise generator (QRP Guys K7QO Noise Bridge) I tuned 
from about 500 kHz up to 30 Mhz and was able to identify the filter 
switch-over points (most of them anyway).? I measured the received noise 
level using the P3 dBm scale.? At none of the switch points was the 
noise level more than about 5 dB different from one side to the other.? 
By continuously tuning and watching the display, it was apparent that 
the differences were mainly due to roll off of one filter segment or the 
other.? The gain was uniformly consistent across each of the ham bands 
but sometimes rolled off at the KBPF3 switch points.? The area between 
7.41 MHz and 8.4 MHz is kind of no-man's land due to the first IF being 
there.? At the IF frequency the gain was down >50 dB.

73,
Brian, K0DTJ

On 4/20/2021 08:57, w4sc wrote:
> A little back ground,,
>
> The effort started as a result of my using WWV at 15.000000 MHz for calibrating the reference oscillator.  Tuning from 14.999999 to 15.000000 MHz I noticed a 9 to 12 Db drop in signal strength of WWV.
>
> .......

From aa4lr at arrl.net  Tue Apr 20 20:32:44 2021
From: aa4lr at arrl.net (Bill Coleman)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 20:32:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] March/April NCJ
In-Reply-To: <e253a373-24e1-a6d3-a9a7-d802512f79b1@triconet.org>
References: <1615552614723-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<c608ce22-eb1a-f60c-343e-ca1ccea307f4@gmail.com>
	<20210312233948.7dmazqda5vygmyt5@ n0nb.us>
	<CALhxr4boQDAN-G7RE11KHo_mvj2nx57g+Z_mL+TYxiWmcF5RHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5001e1b7-bd82-5070-4d10-cfe45d6dd76e@gmail.com>
	<e253a373-24e1-a6d3-a9a7-d802512f79b1@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <897B8CC5-9AA0-4407-A12C-79A791E06FB3@arrl.net>



> On Mar 13, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
> 
> Based on the QC issue I rated it a four stars. I almost immediately got an email from the company in which I was accused of improperly storing the antenna and all sorts of other things.  It was also claimed that anything less that five stars would ruin their business, etc.  I sent photos of the tubing and heard back that this was impossible, it's never happened before and so on and so forth. 

Based this type of response, I would have revised my rating to three stars and stood firm.

Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL        Mail: aa4lr at arrl.net
Web: http://boringhamradiopart.blogspot.com
Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!"
            -- Wilbur Wright, 1901


From aa4lr at arrl.net  Tue Apr 20 20:39:15 2021
From: aa4lr at arrl.net (Bill Coleman)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 20:39:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] March/April NCJ
In-Reply-To: <00a601d7184a$456459d0$d02d0d70$@wjschmidt.com>
References: <1615552614723-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<c608ce22-eb1a-f60c-343e-ca1ccea307f4@gmail.com>
	<20210312233948.7dmazqda5vygmyt5@ n0nb.us>
	<CALhxr4boQDAN-G7RE11KHo_mvj2nx57g+Z_mL+TYxiWmcF5RHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5001e1b7-bd82-5070-4d10-cfe45d6dd76e@gmail.com>
	<e253a373-24e1-a6d3-a9a7-d802512f79b1@triconet.org>
	<00a601d7184a$456459d0$d02d0d70$@wjschmidt.com>
Message-ID: <434BAC0C-D39E-4A44-83D2-49B5D303A13A@arrl.net>



> On Mar 13, 2021, at 3:48 PM, Dr. William J. Schmidt <bill at wjschmidt.com> wrote:
> 
> I had a similar thing happen after purchasing an antenna switch of well-known brand. I didn't try the switch before it went to the top of the tower but I quickly found that one position had a bad relay.  I was able to use another position to get the thing working.  I posted on eHam and rated it below average in quality because I expected a switch... something so simple... to work out of the box.  I quickly received an email from the manufacturer berating me, suggesting it was my fault for the switch failing for being just another dumb ham (yes, for a simple 12V switch), and that my review would "ruin his business".  This went on for some time, but I did not bend to such rude tactics in favor of the truth

With this kind of attitude, this person will never have any customers.

A real serious businessman would have redoubled their efforts to find out how a faulty switch made it out of QA, contacted the customer and apologized for the difficulty, and offered to replace the faulty switch with a working model.

I don?t see how threatening customers is a good business model. <shakes head>


Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL        Mail: aa4lr at arrl.net
Web: http://boringhamradiopart.blogspot.com
Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!"
            -- Wilbur Wright, 1901


From carterwc128 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 09:57:46 2021
From: carterwc128 at gmail.com (Carter Craigie)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 09:57:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Problem: FT8, KX3, SignaLink USB
Message-ID: <CAOWp2qZhVMuwh=zP_gf+fMjLeaBq48vZZ40SP-95yi75aV2wMA@mail.gmail.com>

I am setting up my KX3 for FT8 using a SignaLink USB interface. My computer
runs Windows 10.

For PTT, I have checked the CAT option.

When I do the test for CAT and PTT, the test works correctly. CAT tests
okay, and PTT toggles on and off.

However, in a QSO, the PTT does not work correctly. It puts the rig into
transmit but at the end of my transmission, the SignaLink drops into
Receive but the KX3 stays in Transmit. Stuck in Transmit. Only turning off
the KX3 gets it out of transmit.

My setup works properly for PSK31 using Ham Radio Deluxe software, so I
believe the FT8 problem lies somehow with how I have set up WSJT-X. I've
been told that the KX3 can get its brains scrambled in combination with a
SignaLink by getting conflicting PTT commands.

If someone is successfully using WSJT-X with a KX3 and a SignaLink USB
interface, I would appreciate your suggestions and advice. On the reflector
or by off-reflector e-mail is fine.

Thanks very much and 73,
Carter N3AO
carterwc128 at gmail.com

From taraymer at embarqmail.com  Wed Apr 21 10:53:39 2021
From: taraymer at embarqmail.com (Raymer, Timothy)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 09:53:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Test
Message-ID: <035601d736be$1dd7d850$598788f0$@com>

In light of recent issues both Don and I have had, I am sending a test
message to verify functionality of the forum list.

Tim Raymer
KA0OUV


From david.n5dch at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 10:57:33 2021
From: david.n5dch at gmail.com (David Herring)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 08:57:33 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Test
In-Reply-To: <035601d736be$1dd7d850$598788f0$@com>
References: <035601d736be$1dd7d850$598788f0$@com>
Message-ID: <8B7E84A4-92C2-43D1-AF84-D1A38BAC58D8@gmail.com>

Solid copy?599?

73,
David - N5DCH



> On Apr 21, 2021, at 8:53 AM, Raymer, Timothy <taraymer at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> In light of recent issues both Don and I have had, I am sending a test
> message to verify functionality of the forum list.
> 
> Tim Raymer
> KA0OUV
> 
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From carterwc128 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 11:40:32 2021
From: carterwc128 at gmail.com (Carter Craigie)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 11:40:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 problem solved
Message-ID: <CAOWp2qZEE=qQTyT2ZaMqTgRXrAkrZ7RBAyvPkLH39MGMEYBOCA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to a suggestion from K2UT, my WSJT-X and Signalink USB problem with
my KX3 is solved. The answer was to use VOX for PTT rather than CAT. I can
still use CAT for rig control, just not for PTT.

73, Carter N3AO
Blacksburg, VA

From don at w3fpr.com  Wed Apr 21 14:20:29 2021
From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 14:20:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Problem: FT8, KX3, SignaLink USB
In-Reply-To: <CAOWp2qZhVMuwh=zP_gf+fMjLeaBq48vZZ40SP-95yi75aV2wMA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOWp2qZhVMuwh=zP_gf+fMjLeaBq48vZZ40SP-95yi75aV2wMA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2435272b-eff3-2a40-2d72-dd7cd6fe7abc@w3fpr.com>

Carter,

Do you also have VOX active?? With both PTT and VOX on, that will happen.

On 4/21/2021 9:57 AM, Carter Craigie wrote:
> I am setting up my KX3 for FT8 using a SignaLink USB interface. My computer
> runs Windows 10.
>
> For PTT, I have checked the CAT option.
>
> When I do the test for CAT and PTT, the test works correctly. CAT tests
> okay, and PTT toggles on and off.
>
> However, in a QSO, the PTT does not work correctly. It puts the rig into
> transmit but at the end of my transmission, the SignaLink drops into
> Receive but the KX3 stays in Transmit. Stuck in Transmit. Only turning off
> the KX3 gets it out of transmit.
>
> My setup works properly for PSK31 using Ham Radio Deluxe software, so I
> believe the FT8 problem lies somehow with how I have set up WSJT-X. I've
> been told that the KX3 can get its brains scrambled in combination with a
> SignaLink by getting conflicting PTT commands.
>
> If someone is successfully using WSJT-X with a KX3 and a SignaLink USB
> interface, I would appreciate your suggestions and advice. On the reflector
> or by off-reflector e-mail is fine.
>
> Thanks very much and 73,
> Carter N3AO
> carterwc128 at gmail.com
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From erusst at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 22 08:18:20 2021
From: erusst at yahoo.com (Russ Tobolic)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 12:18:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3A switching frequencies and performance
In-Reply-To: <0befc15e-0579-6a79-4c8d-911b2707efc5@coastside.net>
References: <CF.3A.01565.EF9FE706@smtp02.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
	<0befc15e-0579-6a79-4c8d-911b2707efc5@coastside.net>
Message-ID: <412656848.2773533.1619093900053@mail.yahoo.com>

 Brian,Thanks for your information which got me thinking again about my situation.? I went back and set the config for the?KBPF3 to "not inSt"? and found no difference at the signal levels at the switchover at 1700 Kc.? Toggling back and forth between "not inSt" and "nor" I verified that there is no change in signal levels.? On the surface it appears that I purchased a broken used KBPF3.? Now I really have to take things apart to figure out what's wrong.
Russ, N3CO
    On Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 07:23:37 PM EDT, Brian Hunt <huntinhmb at coastside.net> wrote:  
 
 This thread also got my curiosity up.? Several years ago I upgraded my 
K3 #41xx with the KBPF3 including the 'A' mod of the capacitor on the RF 
board.? I never really checked it out except for the 630 meter coverage 
and transmit capability - both were as advertised.

Using a wideband noise generator (QRP Guys K7QO Noise Bridge) I tuned 
from about 500 kHz up to 30 Mhz and was able to identify the filter 
switch-over points (most of them anyway).? I measured the received noise 
level using the P3 dBm scale.? At none of the switch points was the 
noise level more than about 5 dB different from one side to the other.? 
By continuously tuning and watching the display, it was apparent that 
the differences were mainly due to roll off of one filter segment or the 
other.? The gain was uniformly consistent across each of the ham bands 
but sometimes rolled off at the KBPF3 switch points.? The area between 
7.41 MHz and 8.4 MHz is kind of no-man's land due to the first IF being 
there.? At the IF frequency the gain was down >50 dB.

73,
Brian, K0DTJ

On 4/20/2021 08:57, w4sc wrote:
> A little back ground,,
>
> The effort started as a result of my using WWV at 15.000000 MHz for calibrating the reference oscillator.? Tuning from 14.999999 to 15.000000 MHz I noticed a 9 to 12 Db drop in signal strength of WWV.
>
> .......
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From w4sc at windstream.net  Thu Apr 22 09:08:36 2021
From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 09:08:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3A switching frequencies and performance
Message-ID: <B8.75.26959.75571806@smtp01.aqua.bos.sync.lan>

When setting installed/ NOT installed, make sure you reboot?.
Ben

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From kilo4tmc at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 09:47:30 2021
From: kilo4tmc at gmail.com (Henry Pollock - K4TMC)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 09:47:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Two Reviews of K4 Now on eHam.net
Message-ID: <CAGJtcTfWDMDV-P04YWg1-R7HtyzZ9dh3hjkBtAc6dd3-ryqigw@mail.gmail.com>

See Subject Line...Happy Reading!

73,
Henry - K4TMC

From josh at voodoolab.com  Thu Apr 22 11:47:01 2021
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 08:47:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Two Reviews of K4 Now on eHam.net
In-Reply-To: <CAGJtcTfWDMDV-P04YWg1-R7HtyzZ9dh3hjkBtAc6dd3-ryqigw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGJtcTfWDMDV-P04YWg1-R7HtyzZ9dh3hjkBtAc6dd3-ryqigw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1C14611C-3D22-4490-8737-FAAB8C95B540@voodoolab.com>

I?m not the only Firesign Theater fan!

Can?t wait to have some quality time hearing receive audio in the cans (not just a hamfest). 

73
Josh W6XU

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 22, 2021, at 6:49 AM, Henry Pollock - K4TMC <kilo4tmc at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?See Subject Line...Happy Reading!


From k3wjv at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 22 11:52:59 2021
From: k3wjv at yahoo.com (Bill Stravinsky)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 15:52:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Do not use K4 "Restore Defaults" button
In-Reply-To: <3E054888-4422-47CE-98A7-435A7EC7FBBE@elecraft.com>
References: <3E054888-4422-47CE-98A7-435A7EC7FBBE@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1653410811.2466577.1619106779470@mail.yahoo.com>

 Gee, who actually owns a K4 to push the buttons??? I didn't know anybody out there had one yet.? Hoping I get mine before the Fallcontest season.
BillK3WJV

    On Friday, April 16, 2021, 1:36:05 PM EDT, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:  
 
 In the UPDATE function of the K4, there's a DETAILS button which leads to a tentative backup/restore feature. This will be replaced by a new backup/restore function (CONFIG) that's easier to use and accessible at the top level.

One of the buttons on the current Backup/Restore screen is "Restore Defaults," which does a full reset to factory defaults. We intended to remove this because it resets TX GAIN calibration and other data. This, too, will be handled in a more nuanced fashion under the CONFIG function.

Please don't use "Restore Defaults". 

While the backup/restore routines work, we'd suggest not using these either. CONFIG will do a much better job of managing your backup needs.

Thanks,

Wayne
N6KR



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From kc8wh.mh at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 12:00:35 2021
From: kc8wh.mh at gmail.com (kc8wh.mh)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 12:00:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Two Reviews of K4 Now on eHam.net
In-Reply-To: <1C14611C-3D22-4490-8737-FAAB8C95B540@voodoolab.com>
Message-ID: <60819da4.1c69fb81.c24e6.df56@mx.google.com>

There is so much you don't know.And everything you know is wrong.See you on the funwaySent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Josh Fiden <josh at voodoolab.com> Date: 4/22/21  11:47 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: Elecraft Reflector <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Two Reviews of K4 Now on eHam.net I?m not the only Firesign Theater fan!Can?t wait to have some quality time hearing receive audio in the cans (not just a hamfest). 73Josh W6XUSent from my iPad> On Apr 22, 2021, at 6:49 AM, Henry Pollock - K4TMC <kilo4tmc at gmail.com> wrote:> > ?See Subject Line...Happy Reading!______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to kc8wh.mh at gmail.com 

From pchesloff at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 12:19:12 2021
From: pchesloff at gmail.com (Paul Chesloff)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 12:19:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Two Reviews of K4 Now on eHam.net
In-Reply-To: <60819da4.1c69fb81.c24e6.df56@mx.google.com>
References: <60819da4.1c69fb81.c24e6.df56@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4F928F9C-46FF-4A02-B3C0-CA95E41459E6@gmail.com>

I can shout, don?t hear you!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 22, 2021, at 12:02 PM, kc8wh.mh <kc8wh.mh at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?There is so much you don't know.And everything you know is wrong.See you on the funwaySent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: Josh Fiden <josh at voodoolab.com> Date: 4/22/21  11:47 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: Elecraft Reflector <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Two Reviews of K4 Now on eHam.net I?m not the only Firesign Theater fan!Can?t wait to have some quality time hearing receive audio in the cans (not just a hamfest). 73Josh W6XUSent from my iPad> On Apr 22, 2021, at 6:49 AM, Henry Pollock - K4TMC <kilo4tmc at gmail.com> wrote:> > ?See Subject Line...Happy Reading!______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to kc8wh.mh at gmail.com 
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From dave at nk7z.net  Thu Apr 22 14:39:49 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 11:39:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Firesign Theater
In-Reply-To: <1C14611C-3D22-4490-8737-FAAB8C95B540@voodoolab.com>
References: <CAGJtcTfWDMDV-P04YWg1-R7HtyzZ9dh3hjkBtAc6dd3-ryqigw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1C14611C-3D22-4490-8737-FAAB8C95B540@voodoolab.com>
Message-ID: <28b6ebf5-cf88-5027-4c4c-9b5035be9635@nk7z.net>

Do you live in an award winning communications trailer?  Can you jump 
the hole to the center of the Earth?  Is your first name Nick?  Do you 
know the Lonesome Beet?  If so, then you might be a Bozo...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 4/22/21 8:47 AM, Josh Fiden wrote:
> I?m not the only Firesign Theater fan!
> 
> Can?t wait to have some quality time hearing receive audio in the cans (not just a hamfest).
> 
> 73
> Josh W6XU
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Apr 22, 2021, at 6:49 AM, Henry Pollock - K4TMC <kilo4tmc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?See Subject Line...Happy Reading!
> 
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From fscolaro at mindspring.com  Thu Apr 22 14:44:36 2021
From: fscolaro at mindspring.com (Frank Scolaro)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 14:44:36 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] Firesign Theater
Message-ID: <1415711380.3895.1619117076108@wamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


excuse me...  pardon my hook !

Frank W2YK

gosh all you ole timers...




-----Original Message-----
>From: Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net>
>Sent: Apr 22, 2021 2:39 PM
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: [Elecraft] Firesign Theater
>
>Do you live in an award winning communications trailer?  Can you jump 
>the hole to the center of the Earth?  Is your first name Nick?  Do you 
>know the Lonesome Beet?  If so, then you might be a Bozo...
>
>73, and thanks,
>Dave (NK7Z)
>https://www.nk7z.net
>ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
>ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>
>On 4/22/21 8:47 AM, Josh Fiden wrote:
>> I?m not the only Firesign Theater fan!
>> 
>> Can?t wait to have some quality time hearing receive audio in the cans (not just a hamfest).
>> 
>> 73
>> Josh W6XU
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Apr 22, 2021, at 6:49 AM, Henry Pollock - K4TMC <kilo4tmc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?See Subject Line...Happy Reading!
>> 
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From kwidelitz at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 14:46:55 2021
From: kwidelitz at gmail.com (Ken Widelitz)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 11:46:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Firesign Theater
In-Reply-To: <28b6ebf5-cf88-5027-4c4c-9b5035be9635@nk7z.net>
References: <CAGJtcTfWDMDV-P04YWg1-R7HtyzZ9dh3hjkBtAc6dd3-ryqigw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1C14611C-3D22-4490-8737-FAAB8C95B540@voodoolab.com>
	<28b6ebf5-cf88-5027-4c4c-9b5035be9635@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <CABs+SNCqPbc=0czPzxFABV3MG-LhkDT9D0567w=A3-9hbRpMJQ@mail.gmail.com>

Wow, lots of Bozos on the Elecraft buss. I'm still waiting for the K4
electrician to build mine.

73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 11:41 AM Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:

> Do you live in an award winning communications trailer?  Can you jump
> the hole to the center of the Earth?  Is your first name Nick?  Do you
> know the Lonesome Beet?  If so, then you might be a Bozo...
>
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>
> On 4/22/21 8:47 AM, Josh Fiden wrote:
> > I?m not the only Firesign Theater fan!
> >
> > Can?t wait to have some quality time hearing receive audio in the cans
> (not just a hamfest).
> >
> > 73
> > Josh W6XU
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Apr 22, 2021, at 6:49 AM, Henry Pollock - K4TMC <kilo4tmc at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?See Subject Line...Happy Reading!
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
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From ve3dss at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 22 15:12:03 2021
From: ve3dss at hotmail.com (Dana)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 15:12:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B board ?
Message-ID: <PH0PR11MB4936B3FF496F965ABE033F5D8B469@PH0PR11MB4936.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

I got hit by lightning last summer and lost my KIO3 Rev B  - burnt inductors and 
Other damage.

One of the guys kindly sent me an Rev A version board, which I sort of got working, but
Its not quite 100% .
I had queried about surplus Rev B version boards, but lost the replies here, when I rebuilt my
Also damaged PC.

Does anyone have a Rev B version board set that they are not using, if you had upgraded to the 
USB sound card board KIO3B,  that they would be willing to part with? 

I want to see if I have further damage or not  or if its just Rev A vs Rev B related. 

Please let me know, as I try to diagnose the other ?intermittent" issues?

Thanks 73
Dana VE3DS


From FlatHat at comcast.net  Thu Apr 22 15:19:26 2021
From: FlatHat at comcast.net (Richard)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 15:19:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Firesign Theater
In-Reply-To: <1415711380.3895.1619117076108@wamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <1415711380.3895.1619117076108@wamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <9F57738A-5321-401D-B20B-B3F44F6613AB@comcast.net>

We're all Bozos on this bus.

Richard Kunc ~ W4KBX

> From: Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net>
> Sent: Apr 22, 2021 2:39 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Firesign Theater
> 
> Do you live in an award winning communications trailer?  Can you jump 
> the hole to the center of the Earth?  Is your first name Nick?  Do you 
> know the Lonesome Beet?  If so, then you might be a Bozo...
> 
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)

From kevinr at coho.net  Thu Apr 22 15:32:03 2021
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 12:32:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Firesign Theater
In-Reply-To: <CABs+SNCqPbc=0czPzxFABV3MG-LhkDT9D0567w=A3-9hbRpMJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGJtcTfWDMDV-P04YWg1-R7HtyzZ9dh3hjkBtAc6dd3-ryqigw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1C14611C-3D22-4490-8737-FAAB8C95B540@voodoolab.com>
	<28b6ebf5-cf88-5027-4c4c-9b5035be9635@nk7z.net>
	<CABs+SNCqPbc=0czPzxFABV3MG-LhkDT9D0567w=A3-9hbRpMJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9f4dec66-b1c9-63a8-ed2c-327b442d1206@coho.net>


Where's the fire Danger?? In your eyes, Lt Bradshaw!

Don't crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers.

All Hail Marx and Lennon

73,? Kevin.? KD5ONS


On 4/22/21 11:46 AM, Ken Widelitz wrote:
> Wow, lots of Bozos on the Elecraft buss. I'm still waiting for the K4
> electrician to build mine.
>
> 73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT
>
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 11:41 AM Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
>
>> Do you live in an award winning communications trailer?  Can you jump
>> the hole to the center of the Earth?  Is your first name Nick?  Do you
>> know the Lonesome Beet?  If so, then you might be a Bozo...
>>
>> 73, and thanks,
>> Dave (NK7Z)
>> https://www.nk7z.net
>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>>
>> On 4/22/21 8:47 AM, Josh Fiden wrote:
>>> I?m not the only Firesign Theater fan!
>>>
>>> Can?t wait to have some quality time hearing receive audio in the cans
>> (not just a hamfest).
>>> 73
>>> Josh W6XU
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Apr 22, 2021, at 6:49 AM, Henry Pollock - K4TMC <kilo4tmc at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> ?See Subject Line...Happy Reading!
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From dave at nk7z.net  Thu Apr 22 15:33:58 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 12:33:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Firesign Theater
In-Reply-To: <9f4dec66-b1c9-63a8-ed2c-327b442d1206@coho.net>
References: <CAGJtcTfWDMDV-P04YWg1-R7HtyzZ9dh3hjkBtAc6dd3-ryqigw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1C14611C-3D22-4490-8737-FAAB8C95B540@voodoolab.com>
	<28b6ebf5-cf88-5027-4c4c-9b5035be9635@nk7z.net>
	<CABs+SNCqPbc=0czPzxFABV3MG-LhkDT9D0567w=A3-9hbRpMJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<9f4dec66-b1c9-63a8-ed2c-327b442d1206@coho.net>
Message-ID: <5e7c0ead-307d-3892-b6e1-9f34445db239@nk7z.net>

Rocky!

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 4/22/21 12:32 PM, kevinr wrote:
> 
> Where's the fire Danger?? In your eyes, Lt Bradshaw!
> 
> Don't crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers.
> 
> All Hail Marx and Lennon
> 
> 73,? Kevin.? KD5ONS
> 
> 
> On 4/22/21 11:46 AM, Ken Widelitz wrote:
>> Wow, lots of Bozos on the Elecraft buss. I'm still waiting for the K4
>> electrician to build mine.
>>
>> 73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 11:41 AM Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Do you live in an award winning communications trailer?? Can you jump
>>> the hole to the center of the Earth?? Is your first name Nick?? Do you
>>> know the Lonesome Beet?? If so, then you might be a Bozo...
>>>
>>> 73, and thanks,
>>> Dave (NK7Z)
>>> https://www.nk7z.net
>>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>>> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
>>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>>>
>>> On 4/22/21 8:47 AM, Josh Fiden wrote:
>>>> I?m not the only Firesign Theater fan!
>>>>
>>>> Can?t wait to have some quality time hearing receive audio in the cans
>>> (not just a hamfest).
>>>> 73
>>>> Josh W6XU
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 22, 2021, at 6:49 AM, Henry Pollock - K4TMC 
>>>>> <kilo4tmc at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> ?See Subject Line...Happy Reading!
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>> Elecraft mailing list
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From k4lxy.cw at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 15:35:00 2021
From: k4lxy.cw at gmail.com (Howard Zehr)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 15:35:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Internal LiFePO4 batteries for the KX3
Message-ID: <BD54206E-9F93-4D8F-97D8-6A681B7AC8C0@gmail.com>

I have posted a blog entry on a modification to use AA LiFePO4 batteries in the KX3:
https://k4lxycw.wixsite.com/blog/blog <https://k4lxycw.wixsite.com/blog/blog>

73 Howard K4LXY


Howard Zehr
K4LXY
Radio blog:  https://k4lxycw.wixsite.com/blog/blog

Photo gallery: www.howardzehr.com








From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Apr 22 15:58:04 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 12:58:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Internal LiFePO4 batteries for the KX3
In-Reply-To: <BD54206E-9F93-4D8F-97D8-6A681B7AC8C0@gmail.com>
References: <BD54206E-9F93-4D8F-97D8-6A681B7AC8C0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16a0bd61-352b-bbc3-c818-eb5adc556dba@audiosystemsgroup.com>

Very interesting.  I was not aware of the general availability of AA 
LiFePO4 cells. It's important that these cells be changed using a 
charger designed for their capacity. The diodes prevent their being 
charged in the holder.

73, Jim K9YC

On 4/22/2021 12:35 PM, Howard Zehr wrote:
> I have posted a blog entry on a modification to use AA LiFePO4 batteries in the KX3:
> https://k4lxycw.wixsite.com/blog/blog <https://k4lxycw.wixsite.com/blog/blog>
> 
> 73 Howard K4LXY
> 
> 
> Howard Zehr
> K4LXY
> Radio blog:  https://k4lxycw.wixsite.com/blog/blog
> 
> Photo gallery: www.howardzehr.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From Mike at ve3yf.com  Thu Apr 22 16:00:40 2021
From: Mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 20:00:40 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Do not use K4 "Restore Defaults" button
In-Reply-To: <1653410811.2466577.1619106779470@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1653410811.2466577.1619106779470@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <126ced0a-0294-b623-79d9-448aade7b9a2@ve3yf.com>

Bill:

You should really read the eHam Reviews and the K4 groups.io . Elecraft 
is shipping and people are receiving their K4's

-- 

*73 De Mike*
*VE3YF

_/http://www.ve3yf.com/_*


From ve3dss at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 22 16:20:46 2021
From: ve3dss at hotmail.com (Dana)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 16:20:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire Sign Theatre
Message-ID: <PH0PR11MB493650529C5ECD37E097941B8B469@PH0PR11MB4936.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Can?t wait to ?bite the tires? of the K4?


DS

From gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com  Thu Apr 22 16:30:56 2021
From: gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com (George Thornton)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 20:30:56 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire Sign Theatre
In-Reply-To: <PH0PR11MB493650529C5ECD37E097941B8B469@PH0PR11MB4936.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <PH0PR11MB493650529C5ECD37E097941B8B469@PH0PR11MB4936.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR16MB16947021BDAEF879812A35F1B4469@MWHPR16MB1694.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

The reports I have seen so far already confirm to my mind that the upgrade is worth doing.  Now I just have to get the purchase past She Who Must Be Obeyed.



-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Dana
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 1:21 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire Sign Theatre

Can?t wait to ?bite the tires? of the K4?


DS
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From n4zr at comcast.net  Thu Apr 22 17:49:41 2021
From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 17:49:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Do not use K4 "Restore Defaults" button
In-Reply-To: <126ced0a-0294-b623-79d9-448aade7b9a2@ve3yf.com>
References: <1653410811.2466577.1619106779470@mail.yahoo.com>
	<126ced0a-0294-b623-79d9-448aade7b9a2@ve3yf.com>
Message-ID: <9b7db027-7bf3-d8c2-3666-4437a1cb20f8@comcast.net>

Though both of those reviewers are in-group field testers.

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
web server at <http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

On 4/22/2021 4:00 PM, Mike VE3YF wrote:
> Bill:
>
> You should really read the eHam Reviews and the K4 groups.io . 
> Elecraft is shipping and people are receiving their K4's
>

From starman10 at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 22 17:52:40 2021
From: starman10 at hotmail.com (Lou W0FK)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 14:52:40 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Firesign Theater
In-Reply-To: <5e7c0ead-307d-3892-b6e1-9f34445db239@nk7z.net>
References: <CAGJtcTfWDMDV-P04YWg1-R7HtyzZ9dh3hjkBtAc6dd3-ryqigw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1C14611C-3D22-4490-8737-FAAB8C95B540@voodoolab.com>
	<28b6ebf5-cf88-5027-4c4c-9b5035be9635@nk7z.net>
	<CABs+SNCqPbc=0czPzxFABV3MG-LhkDT9D0567w=A3-9hbRpMJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<9f4dec66-b1c9-63a8-ed2c-327b442d1206@coho.net>
	<5e7c0ead-307d-3892-b6e1-9f34445db239@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <1619128360031-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Sorry, I spell my name ?Danger?

Except in Sectors R and N, and after curfew.





--
Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/

From ve3dss at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 22 17:56:07 2021
From: ve3dss at hotmail.com (Dana)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 17:56:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3 Rev C not B
Message-ID: <PH0PR11MB4936AB92EE3F99B99BDA50B88B469@PH0PR11MB4936.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

My apologies, the dead board is a Rev C . Date on the board is 10 13. 


73 Dana VE3DS


From josh at voodoolab.com  Thu Apr 22 17:56:41 2021
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 14:56:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Firesign Theater
In-Reply-To: <9f4dec66-b1c9-63a8-ed2c-327b442d1206@coho.net>
References: <9f4dec66-b1c9-63a8-ed2c-327b442d1206@coho.net>
Message-ID: <F445C9C8-473C-4694-A4CC-A58F1142BA27@voodoolab.com>

Apologies to the moderator for spawning this OT topic.. Fun while it lasted, but don?t get me in trouble!

73
Josh W6XU

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 22, 2021, at 12:32 PM, kevinr <kevinr at coho.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Where's the fire Danger?  In your eyes, Lt Bradshaw!
> 
> Don't crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers.
> 
> All Hail Marx and Lennon


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Thu Apr 22 17:59:20 2021
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 16:59:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FT-8 Problem, KX3, Signalink USB
Message-ID: <b2134e6c-1b2b-9452-8e10-21fa806f30f9@blomand.net>

Do be reminded that the audio from the computer does in effect key the 
VOX circuit in the Signalink.? That issues a hard PTT command to the 
radio.? Then the audio from the computer via the Signalink, with VOX on 
in the radio, is another transmit command. Then with CAT control from 
the computer to the radio for PTT that is a third transmit command.??? 
Choose one!

If the audio from the computer does not key the LED on the Signalink 
then there is no transmit command from the Signalink source.? If it does 
then the Delay on the Signalink slows the transition to receive. ? ? If 
the VOX level is set such that the audio from the computer via the 
Signalink is low then the VOX won't key the transmitter. ? Of course if 
there is noise on the audio path, that noise will activate the VOX in 
the radio, hence it stays in transmit. ? ? {Why does one have VOX on 
anyway?}? Then of course the computer communication to the radio can 
issue a PTT command.? To me this is the smart way to handle things.

Understanding the "system" is the key to success.

73

Bob, K4TAX


Message: 8
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 11:40:32 -0400
From: Carter Craigie<carterwc128 at gmail.com>
To: Elecraft List Members<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 problem solved
Message-ID:
	<CAOWp2qZEE=qQTyT2ZaMqTgRXrAkrZ7RBAyvPkLH39MGMEYBOCA at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Thanks to a suggestion from K2UT, my WSJT-X and Signalink USB problem with
my KX3 is solved. The answer was to use VOX for PTT rather than CAT. I can
still use CAT for rig control, just not for PTT.

73, Carter N3AO
Blacksburg, VA


------------------------------

Message: 9
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 14:20:29 -0400
From: Don Wilhelm<don at w3fpr.com>
To: Carter Craigie<carterwc128 at gmail.com>,	Elecraft List Members
	<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Problem: FT8, KX3, SignaLink USB
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Carter,

Do you also have VOX active?? With both PTT and VOX on, that will happen.

On 4/21/2021 9:57 AM, Carter Craigie wrote:

> I am setting up my KX3 for FT8 using a SignaLink USB interface. My computer
> runs Windows 10.
>
> For PTT, I have checked the CAT option.
>
> When I do the test for CAT and PTT, the test works correctly. CAT tests
> okay, and PTT toggles on and off.
>
> However, in a QSO, the PTT does not work correctly. It puts the rig into
> transmit but at the end of my transmission, the SignaLink drops into
> Receive but the KX3 stays in Transmit. Stuck in Transmit. Only turning off
> the KX3 gets it out of transmit.
>
> My setup works properly for PSK31 using Ham Radio Deluxe software, so I
> believe the FT8 problem lies somehow with how I have set up WSJT-X. I've
> been told that the KX3 can get its brains scrambled in combination with a
> SignaLink by getting conflicting PTT commands.
>
> If someone is successfully using WSJT-X with a KX3 and a SignaLink USB
> interface, I would appreciate your suggestions and advice. On the reflector
> or by off-reflector e-mail is fine.
>
> Thanks very much and 73,
> Carter N3AO
> carterwc128 at gmail.com
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From mbaileycrna at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 18:03:19 2021
From: mbaileycrna at gmail.com (Morgan Bailey)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 17:03:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Firesign Theater
In-Reply-To: <28b6ebf5-cf88-5027-4c4c-9b5035be9635@nk7z.net>
References: <CAGJtcTfWDMDV-P04YWg1-R7HtyzZ9dh3hjkBtAc6dd3-ryqigw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1C14611C-3D22-4490-8737-FAAB8C95B540@voodoolab.com>
	<28b6ebf5-cf88-5027-4c4c-9b5035be9635@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <CABkb7bghkJaRe1gJpW+32EYCKY65gyqbxyVu+1w45YeND_3=Rg@mail.gmail.com>

We are all bozos on this buss. LOL...The first time I ever heard
Quadrafonic stereo on a record.

73, Morgan NJ8M
BS + MS + $2.98 = COFFEE
Real Life Experience = Priceless, says the man who set his back yard on
fire with a breadboard tuner loading a 160 meter inverted L with 1000
watts. LOL


On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 1:41 PM Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:

> Do you live in an award winning communications trailer?  Can you jump
> the hole to the center of the Earth?  Is your first name Nick?  Do you
> know the Lonesome Beet?  If so, then you might be a Bozo...
>
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>
> On 4/22/21 8:47 AM, Josh Fiden wrote:
> > I?m not the only Firesign Theater fan!
> >
> > Can?t wait to have some quality time hearing receive audio in the cans
> (not just a hamfest).
> >
> > 73
> > Josh W6XU
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Apr 22, 2021, at 6:49 AM, Henry Pollock - K4TMC <kilo4tmc at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?See Subject Line...Happy Reading!
> >
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From k8tb at bosscher.org  Thu Apr 22 19:14:19 2021
From: k8tb at bosscher.org (Tom)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 19:14:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire Sign Theatre
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR16MB16947021BDAEF879812A35F1B4469@MWHPR16MB1694.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <PH0PR11MB493650529C5ECD37E097941B8B469@PH0PR11MB4936.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
	<MWHPR16MB16947021BDAEF879812A35F1B4469@MWHPR16MB1694.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <650d6eb8-9bfa-4c9a-a5dd-d04bdb0e18e0@bosscher.org>

In my case, it is "She who desires and does pay for "Their" K4". 
Unfortunately, "She" gets to operate the most.

Tom K8TB,??? 4 feet away from K8AJ, and, sigh, the K3.

On 4/22/2021 4:30 PM, George Thornton wrote:
> The reports I have seen so far already confirm to my mind that the upgrade is worth doing.  Now I just have to get the purchase past She Who Must Be Obeyed.



From ewrjunkmail at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 20:45:48 2021
From: ewrjunkmail at gmail.com (eric robertson)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 19:45:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: KXPA100
Message-ID: <682F49E4-227B-4DB5-AF32-B85F2E0E6FDF@gmail.com>

Please let me know if your are interested in selling.  Looking for excellent condition, non-smoking environment with tuner.  Thx.
Eric Robertson
ewrjunkmail at gmail.com
KI5PCZ

Sent from my iPhone

From hdbarr at comcast.net  Thu Apr 22 22:57:44 2021
From: hdbarr at comcast.net (Dave Barr)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 22:57:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 204, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <mailman.8234.1619120047.3572.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.8234.1619120047.3572.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <8ce6e169-dc1a-3b85-c9da-c94d616f8abf@comcast.net>

K3/K3S Last Chance for adding modules and upgrades ordering.

Is the KXV3B the complete IF and VHF interface?,? i.e., is it what is 
needed to use the P3 for a K3? that never had any IF/VHF interface at all?

Dave, K2YG



From tfricke at web.de  Fri Apr 23 05:07:45 2021
From: tfricke at web.de (Thorsten Fricke)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 11:07:45 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3/P3 last-time order
In-Reply-To: <7a66b82e-3036-82b6-f67a-795d658d2991@xs4all.nl>
References: <mailman.7907.1618871710.3572.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<7a66b82e-3036-82b6-f67a-795d658d2991@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <105e1b8d-8685-867d-1111-9f315857c2dc@web.de>

Sounds good!

Am 20.04.21 um 12:13 schrieb Geert Jan de Groot:
> I received a mail from Elecraft sales pointing to
> https://elecraft.com/pages/k3-k3s-options
>
> This is the next step for the last-time K3/P3 order - order what you
> want now or forget it!

... but first I will have to get a K3/K3S to know what is missing/needed
for my purposes :-(

73 de Thorsten, DH4FT

From krug261 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 23 08:51:40 2021
From: krug261 at yahoo.com (krug261 at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 12:51:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Frequency Shift in DATA A - What Am I Doing Wrong?
References: <1538494730.3005634.1619182300779.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1538494730.3005634.1619182300779@mail.yahoo.com>

I don't know how long this has been going on (wow, sounds like a song lyric), but each time WSJT keys up my KX3, the transmit frequency shifts down 500hz. For example, the standard 30m FT8 freq of 10.136 000 shifts down to 10.135 500. The freq shift shows on the KX3 vfo B and the WSJT screen. It occurs on all bands, as well as if I change mode to FT4. When this occurs the KX3 screen shows: DATA; TX is pointing to the B vfo; SPLT is illuminated; and the vfo B freq is 500hz lower than vfo A. I have pressed A>B (which changes the vfo B freq back to that of the vfo A) and then held the SPLIT button (which has TX now point to vfo A and SPLT disappears). But once I key-up it reverts back to the original screen display and the lower transmit freq.
I have gone through the manual and cannot figure out what else to clear on the KX3. In WSJT: PTT Method is CAT; Mode is Data/Pkt and Split Operation is Rig. These settings have not changed.
What am I doing wrong? Or, is something wrong? Suggestions appreciated.
Bob, KA2TQV

From lists at subich.com  Fri Apr 23 09:03:55 2021
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 09:03:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Frequency Shift in DATA A - What Am I Doing
	Wrong?
In-Reply-To: <1538494730.3005634.1619182300779@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1538494730.3005634.1619182300779.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1538494730.3005634.1619182300779@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ddbf0e85-04af-5507-96b1-a1086754903f@subich.com>


 > What am I doing wrong?

Nothing

Or, is something wrong?

No

 > Suggestions appreciated.

You probably have WSJTX Settings -> Radio -> Split Operation
set to "Radio"

With Split Operation WSJTX will shift the transmit frequency +/- 1 KHz
as necessary to keep the audio tone in the 1500-2000 Hz range.  With
a -500 Hz shift, your transmit (TX) is probably between 1000 and
1500 Hz.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2021-04-23 8:51 AM, krug261--- via Elecraft wrote:
> I don't know how long this has been going on (wow, sounds like a song lyric), but each time WSJT keys up my KX3, the transmit frequency shifts down 500hz. For example, the standard 30m FT8 freq of 10.136 000 shifts down to 10.135 500. The freq shift shows on the KX3 vfo B and the WSJT screen. It occurs on all bands, as well as if I change mode to FT4. When this occurs the KX3 screen shows: DATA; TX is pointing to the B vfo; SPLT is illuminated; and the vfo B freq is 500hz lower than vfo A. I have pressed A>B (which changes the vfo B freq back to that of the vfo A) and then held the SPLIT button (which has TX now point to vfo A and SPLT disappears). But once I key-up it reverts back to the original screen display and the lower transmit freq.
> I have gone through the manual and cannot figure out what else to clear on the KX3. In WSJT: PTT Method is CAT; Mode is Data/Pkt and Split Operation is Rig. These settings have not changed.
> What am I doing wrong? Or, is something wrong? Suggestions appreciated.
> Bob, KA2TQV


From w2kj at bellsouth.net  Fri Apr 23 15:12:26 2021
From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joseph Trombino, Jr)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 15:12:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 shipping
References: <B37532E8-9B36-40B5-8582-31F314EA02D4.ref@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <B37532E8-9B36-40B5-8582-31F314EA02D4@bellsouth.net>

Howdy Gang.

Getting excited now that my K4 should be shipping in the next several weeks.

After all, the Mother Ship said that the Group 1 orders will be filled by the end of May (this May?grin).

And I'm in Group 1 sooo???I?ll believe it when I see it (grin).

Any K4?s shipped recently?

Take care and stay healthy.

CU on the bands, CW of course!

			73, Joe W2KJ
			I QRP, therefore I am

From ewrjunkmail at gmail.com  Fri Apr 23 15:20:13 2021
From: ewrjunkmail at gmail.com (eric robertson)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 14:20:13 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB:  KXPA100
Message-ID: <17D7115B-6114-4190-8260-DA0F8C97DED1@gmail.com>

Please let me know if you are interested in selling.  Looking for excellent condition, non-smoking environment with tuner.  Thx.
Eric Robertson
ewrjunkmail at gmail.com
KI5PCZ

Sent from my iPhone

From ka4fox at gmail.com  Fri Apr 23 15:27:46 2021
From: ka4fox at gmail.com (Steve Fox)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 15:27:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade
Message-ID: <CAKCPGdpUeGnY_a1HF_=J8sx6ji=QJsHSh7qBq6BaqQLLThi7iQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

Anyone care to recommend an internal speaker replacement?

Steve
KA4FOX

From don at w3fpr.com  Fri Apr 23 15:39:54 2021
From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 15:39:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade
In-Reply-To: <CAKCPGdpUeGnY_a1HF_=J8sx6ji=QJsHSh7qBq6BaqQLLThi7iQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCPGdpUeGnY_a1HF_=J8sx6ji=QJsHSh7qBq6BaqQLLThi7iQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ea3bba20-95c3-717a-952c-5222fadbcd4d@w3fpr.com>

Get a replacement from Elecraft.
Which radio?

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/23/2021 3:27 PM, Steve Fox wrote:
> Hi
>
> Anyone care to recommend an internal speaker replacement?
>
>


From gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com  Fri Apr 23 15:52:59 2021
From: gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com (George Thornton)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 19:52:59 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade
In-Reply-To: <CAKCPGdpUeGnY_a1HF_=J8sx6ji=QJsHSh7qBq6BaqQLLThi7iQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCPGdpUeGnY_a1HF_=J8sx6ji=QJsHSh7qBq6BaqQLLThi7iQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR16MB16946304EE4510908EBDA312B4459@MWHPR16MB1694.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

Which radio?

With respect to the K3 I would recommend use of external speakers.   They can improve comfort for longer listening periods.

I am a personal fan of the Sounds Sweet communications speakers.  Unfortunately although the web page remains open they have not been selling them for years..  If you can find them used I would grab a pair.

I don't know that replacing the internal speaker would be worth the trouble.



-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Steve Fox
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 12:28 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade

Hi

Anyone care to recommend an internal speaker replacement?

Steve
KA4FOX
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From erusst at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 23 16:43:00 2021
From: erusst at yahoo.com (Russ Tobolic)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 20:43:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3A switching frequencies and performance
In-Reply-To: <B8.75.26959.75571806@smtp01.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
References: <B8.75.26959.75571806@smtp01.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
Message-ID: <2125118860.5685.1619210580580@mail.yahoo.com>

 Thanks Ben, I didn't think of that.??Now when the KBPF3 is not inst There is no difference in signal level when transitioning from 1.700 to 1.699999.? And when I set the KBPF3 to nor (and reboot) there is a definite drop of 5-7 S units at the 1.700 transition point and also at the the 2.11 to 2.10999? transition.? So there is definitely something in the low band signal path that is attenuating the signal.? ?I'll also do some checking at the other freqs.? I guess it's time to drag out the scope for some signal tracing which should be fun with SMDs and my old eyes.
Russ, N3CO
    On Thursday, April 22, 2021, 09:09:47 AM EDT, w4sc <w4sc at windstream.net> wrote:  
 
 When setting installed/ NOT installed, make sure you reboot?.
Ben

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From krug261 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 23 16:51:36 2021
From: krug261 at yahoo.com (krug261 at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 20:51:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Frequency Shift in DATA A - What Am I Doing
 Wrong?
In-Reply-To: <ddbf0e85-04af-5507-96b1-a1086754903f@subich.com>
References: <1538494730.3005634.1619182300779.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1538494730.3005634.1619182300779@mail.yahoo.com>
	<ddbf0e85-04af-5507-96b1-a1086754903f@subich.com>
Message-ID: <72257996.11789.1619211096282@mail.yahoo.com>

 Robie/Joe,
So what you are telling me is that my wife is correct, I'm oblivious to everything that goes on around me. I could have sworn this was something new happening. Thanks.
Bob, KA2TQV
    On Friday, April 23, 2021, 09:03:57 AM EDT, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:  
 
 
 > What am I doing wrong?

Nothing

Or, is something wrong?

No

 > Suggestions appreciated.

You probably have WSJTX Settings -> Radio -> Split Operation
set to "Radio"

With Split Operation WSJTX will shift the transmit frequency +/- 1 KHz
as necessary to keep the audio tone in the 1500-2000 Hz range.? With
a -500 Hz shift, your transmit (TX) is probably between 1000 and
1500 Hz.

73,

? ? ... Joe, W4TV


On 2021-04-23 8:51 AM, krug261--- via Elecraft wrote:
> I don't know how long this has been going on (wow, sounds like a song lyric), but each time WSJT keys up my KX3, the transmit frequency shifts down 500hz. For example, the standard 30m FT8 freq of 10.136 000 shifts down to 10.135 500. The freq shift shows on the KX3 vfo B and the WSJT screen. It occurs on all bands, as well as if I change mode to FT4. When this occurs the KX3 screen shows: DATA; TX is pointing to the B vfo; SPLT is illuminated; and the vfo B freq is 500hz lower than vfo A. I have pressed A>B (which changes the vfo B freq back to that of the vfo A) and then held the SPLIT button (which has TX now point to vfo A and SPLT disappears). But once I key-up it reverts back to the original screen display and the lower transmit freq.
> I have gone through the manual and cannot figure out what else to clear on the KX3. In WSJT: PTT Method is CAT; Mode is Data/Pkt and Split Operation is Rig. These settings have not changed.
> What am I doing wrong? Or, is something wrong? Suggestions appreciated.
> Bob, KA2TQV

  

From julia at juliatuttle.net  Fri Apr 23 16:57:02 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 16:57:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Frequency Shift in DATA A - What Am I Doing
	Wrong?
In-Reply-To: <72257996.11789.1619211096282@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1538494730.3005634.1619182300779.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1538494730.3005634.1619182300779@mail.yahoo.com>
	<ddbf0e85-04af-5507-96b1-a1086754903f@subich.com>
	<72257996.11789.1619211096282@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrO6MVRsmmsQC=qf4CpsbhMrXxo5A7-ZhZUnqFd3F9SmOg@mail.gmail.com>

It's subtle! The split option doesn't tell you what it actually uses split
for, just how it activates it.

On Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 16:52 krug261--- via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

>  Robie/Joe,
> So what you are telling me is that my wife is correct, I'm oblivious to
> everything that goes on around me. I could have sworn this was something
> new happening. Thanks.
> Bob, KA2TQV
>     On Friday, April 23, 2021, 09:03:57 AM EDT, Joe Subich, W4TV <
> lists at subich.com> wrote:
>
>
>  > What am I doing wrong?
>
> Nothing
>
> Or, is something wrong?
>
> No
>
>  > Suggestions appreciated.
>
> You probably have WSJTX Settings -> Radio -> Split Operation
> set to "Radio"
>
> With Split Operation WSJTX will shift the transmit frequency +/- 1 KHz
> as necessary to keep the audio tone in the 1500-2000 Hz range.  With
> a -500 Hz shift, your transmit (TX) is probably between 1000 and
> 1500 Hz.
>
> 73,
>
>     ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2021-04-23 8:51 AM, krug261--- via Elecraft wrote:
> > I don't know how long this has been going on (wow, sounds like a song
> lyric), but each time WSJT keys up my KX3, the transmit frequency shifts
> down 500hz. For example, the standard 30m FT8 freq of 10.136 000 shifts
> down to 10.135 500. The freq shift shows on the KX3 vfo B and the WSJT
> screen. It occurs on all bands, as well as if I change mode to FT4. When
> this occurs the KX3 screen shows: DATA; TX is pointing to the B vfo; SPLT
> is illuminated; and the vfo B freq is 500hz lower than vfo A. I have
> pressed A>B (which changes the vfo B freq back to that of the vfo A) and
> then held the SPLIT button (which has TX now point to vfo A and SPLT
> disappears). But once I key-up it reverts back to the original screen
> display and the lower transmit freq.
> > I have gone through the manual and cannot figure out what else to clear
> on the KX3. In WSJT: PTT Method is CAT; Mode is Data/Pkt and Split
> Operation is Rig. These settings have not changed.
> > What am I doing wrong? Or, is something wrong? Suggestions appreciated.
> > Bob, KA2TQV
>
>
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From rick.nk7i at gmail.com  Fri Apr 23 18:01:07 2021
From: rick.nk7i at gmail.com (Rick Bates, NK7I)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 15:01:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR16MB16946304EE4510908EBDA312B4459@MWHPR16MB1694.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAKCPGdpUeGnY_a1HF_=J8sx6ji=QJsHSh7qBq6BaqQLLThi7iQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<MWHPR16MB16946304EE4510908EBDA312B4459@MWHPR16MB1694.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <7bfbc278-e173-2d21-e134-5ba1faafa84c@gmail.com>

Regardless of radio, my go to is the black Motorola mobile speakers (~5" 
square, with mounts).? Already shaped for communications audio (chopped 
lows, peaked mids and some highs) by design, they sound awesome on the 
K3 *once you find a matching output pair* (they can vary in output by 
several dB).? Estate sales, swap meets and radio shop closures are prime 
spots to find them; often $10 each (oh heck yeah, snag it and bag it!).

Also, if you find them, the old Radio Shack speaker cubes (about 2" 
cubed) have very clear communication audio and work great in a mobile 
environment.? Before RS went out of business the price was jacked up to 
about $60 (from $10) so swap meet prices may vary.

I (almost) never use any internal speaker since they are not usually 
more than a basic add on, or have to be cranked up so much to be useful 
that they don't last long (and are mono with dual receivers).

You might check to see what Elecraft offers for speakers to match your 
radio esthetics should your budget allow it.

73,
Rick NK7I

On 4/23/2021 12:52 PM, George Thornton wrote:
> Which radio?
>
> With respect to the K3 I would recommend use of external speakers.   They can improve comfort for longer listening periods.
>
> I am a personal fan of the Sounds Sweet communications speakers.  Unfortunately although the web page remains open they have not been selling them for years..  If you can find them used I would grab a pair.
>
> I don't know that replacing the internal speaker would be worth the trouble.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Steve Fox
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 12:28 PM
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade
>
> Hi
>
> Anyone care to recommend an internal speaker replacement?
>
> Steve
> KA4FOX

From don at w3fpr.com  Fri Apr 23 19:12:10 2021
From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 19:12:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade
In-Reply-To: <7bfbc278-e173-2d21-e134-5ba1faafa84c@gmail.com>
References: <CAKCPGdpUeGnY_a1HF_=J8sx6ji=QJsHSh7qBq6BaqQLLThi7iQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<MWHPR16MB16946304EE4510908EBDA312B4459@MWHPR16MB1694.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<7bfbc278-e173-2d21-e134-5ba1faafa84c@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2db94e95-bded-7fd9-2ed7-b3633111d387@w3fpr.com>

Since the K3 has stereo output, I suggest you look at the West Mountain 
Radio ComSpeakers.? They do a good job.
My K3 had 2 Radio Shack mini speakers on it, and the KX3 uses the 
ComSpeakers.? Great in all respects.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/23/2021 6:01 PM, Rick Bates, NK7I wrote:
> Regardless of radio, my go to is the black Motorola mobile speakers 
> (~5" square, with mounts).? Already shaped for communications audio 
> (chopped lows, peaked mids and some highs) by design, they sound 
> awesome on the K3 *once you find a matching output pair* (they can 
> vary in output by several dB).? Estate sales, swap meets and radio 
> shop closures are prime spots to find them; often $10 each (oh heck 
> yeah, snag it and bag it!).
>
> Also, if you find them, the old Radio Shack speaker cubes (about 2" 
> cubed) have very clear communication audio and work great in a mobile 
> environment.? Before RS went out of business the price was jacked up 
> to about $60 (from $10) so swap meet prices may vary.
>
> I (almost) never use any internal speaker since they are not usually 
> more than a basic add on, or have to be cranked up so much to be 
> useful that they don't last long (and are mono with dual receivers).
>
> You might check to see what Elecraft offers for speakers to match your 
> radio esthetics should your budget allow it.
>
> 73,
> Rick NK7I
>


From w0eb at cox.net  Fri Apr 23 19:23:00 2021
From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 18:23:00 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade
In-Reply-To: <2db94e95-bded-7fd9-2ed7-b3633111d387@w3fpr.com>
References: <2db94e95-bded-7fd9-2ed7-b3633111d387@w3fpr.com>
Message-ID: <A15574B8-D367-4F22-90DF-D320448A32FE@cox.net>

Don, you?re right on about those West Mountain Com Speakers.  I?ve had a pair on my K3S since day one and I wouldn?t trade them for anything.  

My wife got me a second pair and I use them with my KX2 when I?m operating on my back deck.  Sure makes the KX2?s receiver sound super good.

Jim, W0EB

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 23, 2021, at 6:13 PM, Don Wilhelm <don at w3fpr.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Since the K3 has stereo output, I suggest you look at the West Mountain Radio ComSpeakers.  They do a good job.
> My K3 had 2 Radio Shack mini speakers on it, and the KX3 uses the ComSpeakers.  Great in all respects.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 4/23/2021 6:01 PM, Rick Bates, NK7I wrote:
>> Regardless of radio, my go to is the black Motorola mobile speakers (~5" square, with mounts).  Already shaped for communications audio (chopped lows, peaked mids and some highs) by design, they sound awesome on the K3 *once you find a matching output pair* (they can vary in output by several dB).  Estate sales, swap meets and radio shop closures are prime spots to find them; often $10 each (oh heck yeah, snag it and bag it!).
>> 
>> Also, if you find them, the old Radio Shack speaker cubes (about 2" cubed) have very clear communication audio and work great in a mobile environment.  Before RS went out of business the price was jacked up to about $60 (from $10) so swap meet prices may vary.
>> 
>> I (almost) never use any internal speaker since they are not usually more than a basic add on, or have to be cranked up so much to be useful that they don't last long (and are mono with dual receivers).
>> 
>> You might check to see what Elecraft offers for speakers to match your radio esthetics should your budget allow it.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Rick NK7I
>> 
> 
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From joe at k2uf.com  Fri Apr 23 21:17:02 2021
From: joe at k2uf.com (Joe K2UF)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 21:17:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KPA500 question
Message-ID: <mailman.198.1619227038.3569.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

I have my K3-KAT500-KPA500 working great.  The amp is off to the left side
and I can't see the display easily.  while working on building an auto
antenna switch  I noticed  that the band display on the amp does not synch
with the K3.  It seems to be random.  If I hit  one dit on the key  the amp
will synch the band with the K3.  I am not sure if this has been working
like this right along and just did not  notice.
 
Any ideas guys.
 
73 Joe K2UF

From mikegc5491 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 23 21:30:21 2021
From: mikegc5491 at gmail.com (Michael Coogan)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 18:30:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KPA500 question
In-Reply-To: <20210424011741.AB0DA149AEBF@mail.qsl.net>
References: <20210424011741.AB0DA149AEBF@mail.qsl.net>
Message-ID: <916FA75B-D2F5-469F-A6AA-2CBDD35DDAD2@gmail.com>

https://kv5j.com/

Get one of these!
Mike KB7ME 


> On Apr 23, 2021, at 18:17, Joe K2UF <joe at k2uf.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I have my K3-KAT500-KPA500 working great.  The amp is off to the left side
> and I can't see the display easily.  while working on building an auto
> antenna switch  I noticed  that the band display on the amp does not synch
> with the K3.  It seems to be random.  If I hit  one dit on the key  the amp
> will synch the band with the K3.  I am not sure if this has been working
> like this right along and just did not  notice.
> 
> Any ideas guys.
> 
> 73 Joe K2UF
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From rocketnj at gmail.com  Fri Apr 23 21:41:50 2021
From: rocketnj at gmail.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 21:41:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KPA500 question
In-Reply-To: <916FA75B-D2F5-469F-A6AA-2CBDD35DDAD2@gmail.com>
References: <916FA75B-D2F5-469F-A6AA-2CBDD35DDAD2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CD097115-1C76-476A-8B94-D2602A29E8BD@gmail.com>

Still won?t fix why the amp and radio are losing sync. 

Sent from my waxed string and tin cans. 

> On Apr 23, 2021, at 9:33 PM, Michael Coogan <mikegc5491 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?https://kv5j.com/
> 
> Get one of these!
> Mike KB7ME 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 23, 2021, at 18:17, Joe K2UF <joe at k2uf.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I have my K3-KAT500-KPA500 working great.  The amp is off to the left side
>> and I can't see the display easily.  while working on building an auto
>> antenna switch  I noticed  that the band display on the amp does not synch
>> with the K3.  It seems to be random.  If I hit  one dit on the key  the amp
>> will synch the band with the K3.  I am not sure if this has been working
>> like this right along and just did not  notice.
>> 
>> Any ideas guys.
>> 
>> 73 Joe K2UF
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From jackbrindle at me.com  Fri Apr 23 22:14:39 2021
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 21:14:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KPA500 question
In-Reply-To: <20210424011809.EA6FB149AE8D@mail.qsl.net>
References: <20210424011809.EA6FB149AE8D@mail.qsl.net>
Message-ID: <050E00A0-680F-4AAC-AE5F-0341093B01EF@me.com>

Check the AuxIO cables. They carry the band data from the K3 to the KPA500 (BAND0-3 signals). If they are not connected correctly or either cable is damaged, I would expect the behavior you describe.
The AuxIO cable goes from the K3 to the KAT500, then another from the KAT500 to the KPA500. Be sure to check both.

73!
Jack, W6FB


> On Apr 23, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Joe K2UF <joe at k2uf.com> wrote:
> 
> I have my K3-KAT500-KPA500 working great.  The amp is off to the left side
> and I can't see the display easily.  while working on building an auto
> antenna switch  I noticed  that the band display on the amp does not synch
> with the K3.  It seems to be random.  If I hit  one dit on the key  the amp
> will synch the band with the K3.  I am not sure if this has been working
> like this right along and just did not  notice.
> 
> Any ideas guys.
> 
> 73 Joe K2UF
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sat Apr 24 01:08:42 2021
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 22:08:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  High school drafting class, ~1975
Message-ID: <8E25CA35-49B9-46D8-9487-BC597E246425@elecraft.com>

OK, I've really dated myself now. 

Anyone remember "drafting"? A favorite class in high school: blueprints, mechanical drawings, schematics, straight edges, hand lettering, projections and elevations. We invented things to draw that weren't real, but looked like they should be. Did all the math by hand -- on a slide rule, if necessary. Day-dreamed about what we might one day build.

45 years later, we're using tools we couldn't have imagined. Modeling circuits and objects with millions of parameters and vectors, realizing them in virtual space, manipulating them in real time. Testing finished products before they're even assembled.

The transformation is mind boggling. Yet the best part now, as it was then, is the occasional burst of creative energy that propels an idea forward. The feeling of pieces falling into place. Or forcing them into place out of sheer necessity. 

Most of the time, we think of our new tools and techniques as advances in the state of the art. Things we can't live without. But those same defining moments happened just as often in simpler times.

Case in point -- my first real project, a rendition of W7ZOI's Micro-mountaineer. Carefully documenting it took several sheets of 4-squares-per-inch grid paper, which may still be in my cellar, beneath a lifetime of such drawings. With the schematic, I took a lot of pride in making the circuits look well-organized, as if that would somehow improve my odds. On the PC board, I drew large traces and pads with the etch-resist pen, as if that would somehow appease the electrons. 

I etched the PCB, soldered two dozen parts, and connected a 12 V lantern battery. Thanks to my paranoia about what would happen if I did it wrong, I'd taken my time and done it right. 

I was rewarded with a hiss of band noise and a few CW signals on 40 meters.

Here's to those moments, and to that timeless pursuit: turning abstractions into reality.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


From chris at dl1mgb.com  Sat Apr 24 01:38:24 2021
From: chris at dl1mgb.com (Christian Janssen DL1MGB)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 07:38:24 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RIT not working
Message-ID: <d51581c4-6400-f6b0-5427-4e9b65d11ff3@dl1mgb.com>

Hello,

after doing some refurbishing (changing rotten connectors, cleaning,...) I was curious if changing the RIT encoder will make the RIT work again. But it doesn't.

K3 #1532
Firmware 5.67

I can press on the RIT and XIT button and it shows RIT and XIT in the display, the green LED below the CLR goes on. But when I turn the RIT knob, it stays at 0.00 and the frequency also doesn't change (also audibly). Also when both RIT and XIT are OFF and CONFIG:VFO CRS is ON, then no coarse with the RIT knob.

Is there any hidden setting I missed? Or died just this RIT/XIT function on the board? I also couldn't see any broken lines or parts around the RIT encoder on the PCB.

I am curious if there is easy help oout there.

73s Chris DL1MGB

From kk5f at earthlink.net  Sat Apr 24 02:55:27 2021
From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 02:55:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  High school drafting class, ~1975
Message-ID: <446876765.3335.1619247327549@wamui-jelly.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I learned draftmanship in high school indusrial arts beginning in 1966.  I was good enough ar it that I was asked in my senior year to do detailed construction drawings for the annual project of the machine shop, even though I had transferred to a so-called college preparatory curriculum a couple of years earlier.  In actuality those high school drafting skills prepared me completely for the year of drafting courses that was mandatory at Geogia Tech in 1970.  I'd finish a lab drafting session in less than 45 minutes while my buddies needed the full three hours.  In those pre-calculator pre-computer days the only tools that an undergrad student needed were a good slide rule (mine cost $36 in 1969, about $260 today) and a drafting set.  To use the Univac 1108 campus scientific mainframe for Fortran IV programs, we submitted hollerith cards we punched using IBM 026 and 029 card punches.

I scraped and saved my summertime active duty pay to buy a Bomar 901 four-function calculator in 1972 for $150, about $950 today.  Hewlett-Packard had introduced their milestone HP-35 scientific calculator that year for $400, about $2535 today.  Extremely few students could afford that.

What a wonder something like a KX2 would have been.  I had a station I made from a 1950s Multi-Elmac AF-67 mobile AM/CW transmitter and a surplus ARR-15 receiver to get on 6970 kHz CW nets in the Navy-Marine Corps Military Affiliate Radio System, using a random wire antenna and a radiator ground.  Boy, could I tear up nearby stereos on several floors of Smith Dormitory.

Those really were the good ol' days...just barely a mere 50 years ago.  :-)

Mike / KK5F

-----Original Message-----
>From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
>Sent: Apr 24, 2021 12:08 AM
>
> OK, I've really dated myself now. 
>
> Anyone remember "drafting"? A favorite class in high school:
> blueprints, mechanical drawings, schematics, straight edges,
> hand lettering, projections and elevations.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR

From gt-i at gmx.net  Sat Apr 24 03:39:22 2021
From: gt-i at gmx.net (G)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 09:39:22 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?=C2=A0_K3_RIT_not_working?=
In-Reply-To: <d51581c4-6400-f6b0-5427-4e9b65d11ff3@dl1mgb.com>
References: <d51581c4-6400-f6b0-5427-4e9b65d11ff3@dl1mgb.com>
Message-ID: <trinity-7fb33426-816e-4a03-bd75-46eac556fdd0-1619249962281@msvc-mesg-gmx123>


From chris at dl1mgb.com  Sat Apr 24 03:52:56 2021
From: chris at dl1mgb.com (Christian Janssen DL1MGB)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 09:52:56 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?=C2=A0_K3_RIT_not_working?=
In-Reply-To: <f28c085e-e143-e278-7b92-9c887eb622ca@dl1mgb.com>
References: <d51581c4-6400-f6b0-5427-4e9b65d11ff3@dl1mgb.com>
	<trinity-7fb33426-816e-4a03-bd75-46eac556fdd0-1619249962281@msvc-mesg-gmx123>
	<f28c085e-e143-e278-7b92-9c887eb622ca@dl1mgb.com>
Message-ID: <3798cc87-0ee1-5b75-48e9-9ba8896564bb@dl1mgb.com>



Am 24.04.2021 um 09:52 schrieb Christian Janssen DL1MGB:
> Hi Gernit,
> 
> maybe I was a bit unclear. The RIT didn't work before I changed the encoder. And it still doesn't work after I replaced the encoder by a brand new one directly shipped from Elecraft.
> 
> 73s Chris DL1MGB
> 
> 
> 
> Am 24.04.2021 um 09:39 schrieb G:
>> Hi Chris
>> I had the same issue with the filter shift pot. I mailed elecraft support and they sent me a replacement part. Takes some effort to replace it but it is doable.
>> 73 Gernit DF5RF
>>
>> -- 
>> Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android Mobiltelefon mit GMX Mail gesendet.
>> Am 24.04.21, 07:38 schrieb Christian Janssen DL1MGB <chris at dl1mgb.com>:
>>
>>     Hello,
>>
>>     after doing some refurbishing (changing rotten connectors, cleaning,...) I was curious if changing the RIT encoder will make the RIT work again. But it doesn't.
>>
>>     K3 #1532
>>     Firmware 5.67
>>
>>     I can press on the RIT and XIT button and it shows RIT and XIT in the display, the green LED below the CLR goes on. But when I turn the RIT knob, it stays at 0.00 and the frequency also doesn't change (also audibly). Also when both RIT and XIT are OFF and CONFIG:VFO CRS is ON, then no coarse with the RIT knob.
>>
>>     Is there any hidden setting I missed? Or died just this RIT/XIT function on the board? I also couldn't see any broken lines or parts around the RIT encoder on the PCB.
>>
>>     I am curious if there is easy help oout there.
>>
>>     73s Chris DL1MGB
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From joe at k2uf.com  Sat Apr 24 04:00:15 2021
From: joe at k2uf.com (Joe K2UF)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 04:00:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  High school drafting class, ~1975
In-Reply-To: <8E25CA35-49B9-46D8-9487-BC597E246425@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.199.1619251231.3569.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

In 1955 we were the cool guys with a slide rule in a leather case hanging
from your belt and india ink stains on your hands.

73  Joe K2UF 

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 1:09 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975

OK, I've really dated myself now. 

Anyone remember "drafting"? A favorite class in high school: blueprints,
mechanical drawings, schematics, straight edges, hand lettering, projections
and elevations. We invented things to draw that weren't real, but looked
like they should be. Did all the math by hand -- on a slide rule, if
necessary. Day-dreamed about what we might one day build.

45 years later, we're using tools we couldn't have imagined. Modeling
circuits and objects with millions of parameters and vectors, realizing them
in virtual space, manipulating them in real time. Testing finished products
before they're even assembled.

The transformation is mind boggling. Yet the best part now, as it was then,
is the occasional burst of creative energy that propels an idea forward. The
feeling of pieces falling into place. Or forcing them into place out of
sheer necessity. 

Most of the time, we think of our new tools and techniques as advances in
the state of the art. Things we can't live without. But those same defining
moments happened just as often in simpler times.

Case in point -- my first real project, a rendition of W7ZOI's
Micro-mountaineer. Carefully documenting it took several sheets of
4-squares-per-inch grid paper, which may still be in my cellar, beneath a
lifetime of such drawings. With the schematic, I took a lot of pride in
making the circuits look well-organized, as if that would somehow improve my
odds. On the PC board, I drew large traces and pads with the etch-resist
pen, as if that would somehow appease the electrons. 

I etched the PCB, soldered two dozen parts, and connected a 12 V lantern
battery. Thanks to my paranoia about what would happen if I did it wrong,
I'd taken my time and done it right. 

I was rewarded with a hiss of band noise and a few CW signals on 40 meters.

Here's to those moments, and to that timeless pursuit: turning abstractions
into reality.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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From dd0vs at gmx.de  Sat Apr 24 04:18:33 2021
From: dd0vs at gmx.de (Harald Fritzsche)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 10:18:33 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] =?iso-8859-5?q?=A0_K3_RIT_not_working?=
In-Reply-To: <3798cc87-0ee1-5b75-48e9-9ba8896564bb@dl1mgb.com>
References: <d51581c4-6400-f6b0-5427-4e9b65d11ff3@dl1mgb.com>
	<trinity-7fb33426-816e-4a03-bd75-46eac556fdd0-1619249962281@msvc-mesg-gmx123>
	<f28c085e-e143-e278-7b92-9c887eb622ca@dl1mgb.com>
	<3798cc87-0ee1-5b75-48e9-9ba8896564bb@dl1mgb.com>
Message-ID: <21824084-98F7-4BB8-B518-165ECB348DBE@gmx.de>

Hello Christian, all,
According to the schematics, the encoder is directly connected to the MCU pins.
I would assume, there is a connector issue in between?
Can you check both lines between encoder and MCU, if possible?

Vy73 
Harald 
DD0VS 

.-.-. --... ...--     -.. -.. ----- ...- ...

> Am 24.04.2021 um 09:52 schrieb Christian Janssen DL1MGB <chris at dl1mgb.com>:
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 24.04.2021 um 09:52 schrieb Christian Janssen DL1MGB:
>> Hi Gernit,
>> 
>> maybe I was a bit unclear. The RIT didn't work before I changed the encoder. And it still doesn't work after I replaced the encoder by a brand new one directly shipped from Elecraft.
>> 
>> 73s Chris DL1MGB
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 24.04.2021 um 09:39 schrieb G:
>>> Hi Chris
>>> I had the same issue with the filter shift pot. I mailed elecraft support and they sent me a replacement part. Takes some effort to replace it but it is doable.
>>> 73 Gernit DF5RF
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android Mobiltelefon mit GMX Mail gesendet.
>>> Am 24.04.21, 07:38 schrieb Christian Janssen DL1MGB <chris at dl1mgb.com>:
>>> 
>>>    Hello,
>>> 
>>>    after doing some refurbishing (changing rotten connectors, cleaning,...) I was curious if changing the RIT encoder will make the RIT work again. But it doesn't.
>>> 
>>>    K3 #1532
>>>    Firmware 5.67
>>> 
>>>    I can press on the RIT and XIT button and it shows RIT and XIT in the display, the green LED below the CLR goes on. But when I turn the RIT knob, it stays at 0.00 and the frequency also doesn't change (also audibly). Also when both RIT and XIT are OFF and CONFIG:VFO CRS is ON, then no coarse with the RIT knob.
>>> 
>>>    Is there any hidden setting I missed? Or died just this RIT/XIT function on the board? I also couldn't see any broken lines or parts around the RIT encoder on the PCB.
>>> 
>>>    I am curious if there is easy help oout there.
>>> 
>>>    73s Chris DL1MGB
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From hdv at kpnplanet.nl  Sat Apr 24 04:48:20 2021
From: hdv at kpnplanet.nl (hdv at kpnplanet.nl)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 10:48:20 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] =?iso-8859-1?q?=A0_K3_RIT_not_working?=
In-Reply-To: <3798cc87-0ee1-5b75-48e9-9ba8896564bb@dl1mgb.com>
References: <d51581c4-6400-f6b0-5427-4e9b65d11ff3@dl1mgb.com>	<trinity-7fb33426-816e-4a03-bd75-46eac556fdd0-1619249962281@msvc-mesg-gmx123>	<f28c085e-e143-e278-7b92-9c887eb622ca@dl1mgb.com>
	<3798cc87-0ee1-5b75-48e9-9ba8896564bb@dl1mgb.com>
Message-ID: <001b01d738e6$93e28b10$bba7a130$@kpnplanet.nl>

Hi Chris,

Check if R78 and R79 are still OK.
If the encoder does not get voltage(s) via these resistors if will never
work.
73 Henk
PA0C

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
Namens Christian Janssen DL1MGB
Verzonden: zaterdag 24 april 2021 09:53
Aan: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Onderwerp: Re: [Elecraft] ? K3 RIT not working



Am 24.04.2021 um 09:52 schrieb Christian Janssen DL1MGB:
> Hi Gernit,
> 
> maybe I was a bit unclear. The RIT didn't work before I changed the
encoder. And it still doesn't work after I replaced the encoder by a brand
new one directly shipped from Elecraft.
> 
> 73s Chris DL1MGB
> 
> 
> 
> Am 24.04.2021 um 09:39 schrieb G:
>> Hi Chris
>> I had the same issue with the filter shift pot. I mailed elecraft support
and they sent me a replacement part. Takes some effort to replace it but it
is doable.
>> 73 Gernit DF5RF
>>
>> --
>> Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android Mobiltelefon mit GMX Mail
gesendet.
>> Am 24.04.21, 07:38 schrieb Christian Janssen DL1MGB <chris at dl1mgb.com>:
>>
>>     Hello,
>>
>>     after doing some refurbishing (changing rotten connectors,
cleaning,...) I was curious if changing the RIT encoder will make the RIT
work again. But it doesn't.
>>
>>     K3 #1532
>>     Firmware 5.67
>>
>>     I can press on the RIT and XIT button and it shows RIT and XIT in the
display, the green LED below the CLR goes on. But when I turn the RIT knob,
it stays at 0.00 and the frequency also doesn't change (also audibly). Also
when both RIT and XIT are OFF and CONFIG:VFO CRS is ON, then no coarse with
the RIT knob.
>>
>>     Is there any hidden setting I missed? Or died just this RIT/XIT
function on the board? I also couldn't see any broken lines or parts around
the RIT encoder on the PCB.
>>
>>     I am curious if there is easy help oout there.
>>
>>     73s Chris DL1MGB
>>     ______________________________________________________________
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From chris at dl1mgb.com  Sat Apr 24 05:50:10 2021
From: chris at dl1mgb.com (Christian Janssen DL1MGB)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 11:50:10 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?=C2=A0_K3_RIT_not_working?=
In-Reply-To: <001b01d738e6$93e28b10$bba7a130$@kpnplanet.nl>
References: <d51581c4-6400-f6b0-5427-4e9b65d11ff3@dl1mgb.com>
	<trinity-7fb33426-816e-4a03-bd75-46eac556fdd0-1619249962281@msvc-mesg-gmx123>
	<f28c085e-e143-e278-7b92-9c887eb622ca@dl1mgb.com>
	<3798cc87-0ee1-5b75-48e9-9ba8896564bb@dl1mgb.com>
	<001b01d738e6$93e28b10$bba7a130$@kpnplanet.nl>
Message-ID: <a908ad80-de24-fec0-80f5-4feed6fe3486@dl1mgb.com>

Hi Henk,

nothing visible, but R79 was 700 Ohm instead of 10k. Found a THT 10kOhm and fortunately, there is enough space for this big resistor.

Now working like hell :-)

Many thanks!

73s Chris DL1MGB



Am 24.04.2021 um 10:48 schrieb hdv at kpnplanet.nl:
> Hi Chris,
> 
> Check if R78 and R79 are still OK.
> If the encoder does not get voltage(s) via these resistors if will never
> work.
> 73 Henk
> PA0C
> 
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> Namens Christian Janssen DL1MGB
> Verzonden: zaterdag 24 april 2021 09:53
> Aan: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Onderwerp: Re: [Elecraft] ? K3 RIT not working
> 
> 
> 
> Am 24.04.2021 um 09:52 schrieb Christian Janssen DL1MGB:
>> Hi Gernit,
>>
>> maybe I was a bit unclear. The RIT didn't work before I changed the
> encoder. And it still doesn't work after I replaced the encoder by a brand
> new one directly shipped from Elecraft.
>>
>> 73s Chris DL1MGB
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 24.04.2021 um 09:39 schrieb G:
>>> Hi Chris
>>> I had the same issue with the filter shift pot. I mailed elecraft support
> and they sent me a replacement part. Takes some effort to replace it but it
> is doable.
>>> 73 Gernit DF5RF
>>>
>>> --
>>> Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android Mobiltelefon mit GMX Mail
> gesendet.
>>> Am 24.04.21, 07:38 schrieb Christian Janssen DL1MGB <chris at dl1mgb.com>:
>>>
>>>     Hello,
>>>
>>>     after doing some refurbishing (changing rotten connectors,
> cleaning,...) I was curious if changing the RIT encoder will make the RIT
> work again. But it doesn't.
>>>
>>>     K3 #1532
>>>     Firmware 5.67
>>>
>>>     I can press on the RIT and XIT button and it shows RIT and XIT in the
> display, the green LED below the CLR goes on. But when I turn the RIT knob,
> it stays at 0.00 and the frequency also doesn't change (also audibly). Also
> when both RIT and XIT are OFF and CONFIG:VFO CRS is ON, then no coarse with
> the RIT knob.
>>>
>>>     Is there any hidden setting I missed? Or died just this RIT/XIT
> function on the board? I also couldn't see any broken lines or parts around
> the RIT encoder on the PCB.
>>>
>>>     I am curious if there is easy help oout there.
>>>
>>>     73s Chris DL1MGB
>>>     ______________________________________________________________
>>>     Elecraft mailing list
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> <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft>
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From djwilcox01 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 24 06:19:20 2021
From: djwilcox01 at yahoo.com (David Wilcox)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 06:19:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  High school drafting class, ~1975
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References: <20210424080211.98D99149AF18@mail.qsl.net>
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I took the classes but was never considered ?COOL?....... mostly a ?NERD?.  Print shop too, but I knew I was going to college so they didn?t send me to the manual arts school down by the river. Still a ?NERD? but happily so since 1960 and before really. I still break things so I can fix them.

Wayne, Bless you, building a mountaineer.  I didn?t have the courage back then. But I made it through medical school.  My wife of 48 years thought I was ?COOL? then but I think she might have changed her mind since then. Right after we were married I built an HW7 that went beep, beep, beep in the night.  It?s been downhill since then.

Dave K8WPE

David J. Wilcox?s iPad

> On Apr 24, 2021, at 4:02 AM, Joe K2UF <joe at k2uf.com> wrote:
> 
> ?In 1955 we were the cool guys with a slide rule in a leather case hanging
> from your belt and india ink stains on your hands.
> 
> 73  Joe K2UF 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 1:09 AM
> To: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975
> 
> OK, I've really dated myself now. 
> 
> Anyone remember "drafting"? A favorite class in high school: blueprints,
> mechanical drawings, schematics, straight edges, hand lettering, projections
> and elevations. We invented things to draw that weren't real, but looked
> like they should be. Did all the math by hand -- on a slide rule, if
> necessary. Day-dreamed about what we might one day build.
> 
> 45 years later, we're using tools we couldn't have imagined. Modeling
> circuits and objects with millions of parameters and vectors, realizing them
> in virtual space, manipulating them in real time. Testing finished products
> before they're even assembled.
> 
> The transformation is mind boggling. Yet the best part now, as it was then,
> is the occasional burst of creative energy that propels an idea forward. The
> feeling of pieces falling into place. Or forcing them into place out of
> sheer necessity. 
> 
> Most of the time, we think of our new tools and techniques as advances in
> the state of the art. Things we can't live without. But those same defining
> moments happened just as often in simpler times.
> 
> Case in point -- my first real project, a rendition of W7ZOI's
> Micro-mountaineer. Carefully documenting it took several sheets of
> 4-squares-per-inch grid paper, which may still be in my cellar, beneath a
> lifetime of such drawings. With the schematic, I took a lot of pride in
> making the circuits look well-organized, as if that would somehow improve my
> odds. On the PC board, I drew large traces and pads with the etch-resist
> pen, as if that would somehow appease the electrons. 
> 
> I etched the PCB, soldered two dozen parts, and connected a 12 V lantern
> battery. Thanks to my paranoia about what would happen if I did it wrong,
> I'd taken my time and done it right. 
> 
> I was rewarded with a hiss of band noise and a few CW signals on 40 meters.
> 
> Here's to those moments, and to that timeless pursuit: turning abstractions
> into reality.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
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From turnbull at net1.ie  Sat Apr 24 08:11:29 2021
From: turnbull at net1.ie (turnbull)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 13:11:29 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  High school drafting class, ~1975
In-Reply-To: <D2F4DC9F-0BA8-421F-8F58-31E9F11EEC96@yahoo.com>
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Wayne, Dave and all, Thank you for these stories and memories.? ? I fear you might get too many replies to these reminisces and Eric may need tell us to desist.73 Doug EI2CNSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: David Wilcox via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Date: 24/04/2021  11:20  (GMT+00:00) To: Joe K2UF <joe at k2uf.com> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT:  High school drafting class, ~1975 I took the classes but was never considered ?COOL?....... mostly a ?NERD?.? Print shop too, but I knew I was going to college so they didn?t send me to the manual arts school down by the river. Still a ?NERD? but happily so since 1960 and before really. I still break things so I can fix them.Wayne, Bless you, building a mountaineer.? I didn?t have the courage back then. But I made it through medical school.? My wife of 48 years thought I was ?COOL? then but I think she might have changed her mind since then. Right after we were married I built an HW7 that went beep, beep, beep in the night.? It?s been downhill since then.Dave K8WPEDavid J. Wilcox?s iPad> On Apr 24, 2021, at 4:02 AM, Joe K2UF <joe at k2uf.com> wrote:> > ?In 1955 we were the cool guys with a slide rule in a leather case hanging> from your belt and india ink stains on your hands.> > 73? Joe K2UF > > -----Original Message-----> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 1:09 AM> To: Elecraft Reflector> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975> > OK, I've really dated myself now. > > Anyone remember "drafting"? A favorite class in high school: blueprints,> mechanical drawings, schematics, straight edges, hand lettering, projections> and elevations. We invented things to draw that weren't real, but looked> like they should be. Did all the math by hand -- on a slide rule, if> necessary. Day-dreamed about what we might one day build.> > 45 years later, we're using tools we couldn't have imagined. Modeling> circuits and objects with millions of parameters and vectors, realizing them> in virtual space, manipulating them in real time. Testing finished products> before they're even assembled.> > The transformation is mind boggling. Yet the best part now, as it was then,> is the occasional burst of creative energy that propels an idea forward. The> feeling of pieces falling into place. Or forcing them into place out of> sheer necessity. > > Most of the time, we think of our new tools and techniques as advances in> the state of the art. Things we can't live without. But those same defining> moments happened just as often in simpler times.> > Case in point -- my first real project, a rendition of W7ZOI's> Micro-mountaineer. Carefully documenting it took several sheets of> 4-squares-per-inch grid paper, which may still be in my cellar, beneath a> lifetime of such drawings. With the schematic, I took a lot of pride in> making the circuits look well-organized, as if that would somehow improve my> odds. On the PC board, I drew large traces and pads with the etch-resist> pen, as if that would somehow appease the electrons. > > I etched the PCB, soldered two dozen parts, and connected a 12 V lantern> battery. Thanks to my paranoia about what would happen if I did it wrong,> I'd taken my time and done it right. > > I was rewarded with a hiss of band noise and a few CW signals on 40 meters.> > Here's to those moments, and to that timeless pursuit: turning abstractions> into reality.> > 73,> Wayne> N6KR> > ______________________________________________________________> Elecraft mailing list> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message> delivered to joe at k2uf.com > > ______________________________________________________________> Elecraft mailing list> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> Message delivered to djwilcox01 at yahoo.com ______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to turnbull at net1.ie 

From k4to.dave at gmail.com  Sat Apr 24 08:29:53 2021
From: k4to.dave at gmail.com (Dave Sublette)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 08:29:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975
In-Reply-To: <20210424080033.4E2B6149AED8@mail.qsl.net>
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My relationship with drafting class goes back to before I was born.   My
Dad, born in 1918, took drafting class in 1936. After he died, I found a
pen and ink drawing of his from that class. It was a schematic of two
different crystal sets.  As a teen, Dad was the neighborhood radio
technician. He strung wire antennas and repaired headphones for folks.

I had that schematic framed and built one of the sets.  I entered it in the
antiques section of the county fair(with a note that the radio was not the
antique).  I won a Blue Ribbon and was considered for the grand champion
ribbon.  I have the drawing and the set on my mantle.

At almost 80 years of age, my memories are increasing in value.

73,

Dave, K4TO

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021, 4:00 AM Joe K2UF <joe at k2uf.com> wrote:

> In 1955 we were the cool guys with a slide rule in a leather case hanging
> from your belt and india ink stains on your hands.
>
> 73  Joe K2UF
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 1:09 AM
> To: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975
>
> OK, I've really dated myself now.
>
> Anyone remember "drafting"? A favorite class in high school: blueprints,
> mechanical drawings, schematics, straight edges, hand lettering,
> projections
> and elevations. We invented things to draw that weren't real, but looked
> like they should be. Did all the math by hand -- on a slide rule, if
> necessary. Day-dreamed about what we might one day build.
>
> 45 years later, we're using tools we couldn't have imagined. Modeling
> circuits and objects with millions of parameters and vectors, realizing
> them
> in virtual space, manipulating them in real time. Testing finished products
> before they're even assembled.
>
> The transformation is mind boggling. Yet the best part now, as it was then,
> is the occasional burst of creative energy that propels an idea forward.
> The
> feeling of pieces falling into place. Or forcing them into place out of
> sheer necessity.
>
> Most of the time, we think of our new tools and techniques as advances in
> the state of the art. Things we can't live without. But those same defining
> moments happened just as often in simpler times.
>
> Case in point -- my first real project, a rendition of W7ZOI's
> Micro-mountaineer. Carefully documenting it took several sheets of
> 4-squares-per-inch grid paper, which may still be in my cellar, beneath a
> lifetime of such drawings. With the schematic, I took a lot of pride in
> making the circuits look well-organized, as if that would somehow improve
> my
> odds. On the PC board, I drew large traces and pads with the etch-resist
> pen, as if that would somehow appease the electrons.
>
> I etched the PCB, soldered two dozen parts, and connected a 12 V lantern
> battery. Thanks to my paranoia about what would happen if I did it wrong,
> I'd taken my time and done it right.
>
> I was rewarded with a hiss of band noise and a few CW signals on 40 meters.
>
> Here's to those moments, and to that timeless pursuit: turning abstractions
> into reality.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
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From Andy at rickham.net  Sat Apr 24 08:42:27 2021
From: Andy at rickham.net (Andy McMullin)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 13:42:27 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975
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In the UK it was called ?Technical Drawing? and was a compulsory pre-cursor to being allowed to take metalwork. You had to be able to convert between various projections and 3D representations before they let you loose on real metal in the workshops. Funnily enough, I seem to remember that woodwork and electronics were not included; but slide rules, ?log tables?, and paper and pencil were the calculators of the age.

Regards
Andy, G8TQH

> 
> On Sat, Apr 24, 2021, 4:00 AM Joe K2UF <joe at k2uf.com> wrote:
> 
>> In 1955 we were the cool guys with a slide rule in a leather case hanging
>> from your belt and india ink stains on your hands.
>> 
>> 73  Joe K2UF
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
>> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 1:09 AM
>> To: Elecraft Reflector
>> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975
>> 
>> OK, I've really dated myself now.
>> 
>> Anyone remember "drafting"? A favorite class in high school: blueprints,
>> mechanical drawings, schematics, straight edges, hand lettering,
>> projections
>> and elevations. We invented things to draw that weren't real, but looked
>> like they should be. Did all the math by hand -- on a slide rule, if
>> necessary. Day-dreamed about what we might one day build.
>> 
>> 45 years later, we're using tools we couldn't have imagined. Modeling
>> circuits and objects with millions of parameters and vectors, realizing
>> them
>> in virtual space, manipulating them in real time. Testing finished products
>> before they're even assembled.
>> 
>> The transformation is mind boggling. Yet the best part now, as it was then,
>> is the occasional burst of creative energy that propels an idea forward.
>> The
>> feeling of pieces falling into place. Or forcing them into place out of
>> sheer necessity.
>> 
>> Most of the time, we think of our new tools and techniques as advances in
>> the state of the art. Things we can't live without. But those same defining
>> moments happened just as often in simpler times.
>> 
>> Case in point -- my first real project, a rendition of W7ZOI's
>> Micro-mountaineer. Carefully documenting it took several sheets of
>> 4-squares-per-inch grid paper, which may still be in my cellar, beneath a
>> lifetime of such drawings. With the schematic, I took a lot of pride in
>> making the circuits look well-organized, as if that would somehow improve
>> my
>> odds. On the PC board, I drew large traces and pads with the etch-resist
>> pen, as if that would somehow appease the electrons.
>> 
>> I etched the PCB, soldered two dozen parts, and connected a 12 V lantern
>> battery. Thanks to my paranoia about what would happen if I did it wrong,
>> I'd taken my time and done it right.
>> 
>> I was rewarded with a hiss of band noise and a few CW signals on 40 meters.
>> 
>> Here's to those moments, and to that timeless pursuit: turning abstractions
>> into reality.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 



From w2up at comcast.net  Sat Apr 24 09:11:52 2021
From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 06:11:52 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975
In-Reply-To: <FB6784EF-DFB0-4625-86D0-8B961F627002@rickham.net>
References: <8E25CA35-49B9-46D8-9487-BC597E246425@elecraft.com>
	<CAKynJKksefpXJ6CvO3C_O=vk_EPS4vjB3-2ATg3xfJdXAeCk8g@mail.gmail.com>
	<FB6784EF-DFB0-4625-86D0-8B961F627002@rickham.net>
Message-ID: <1619269912461-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

High school in 1975?  You're just a kid in ham circles, Wayne  :-)

Barry W2UP (HS class of '74)



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From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Sat Apr 24 09:26:03 2021
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (ke9uw)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 06:26:03 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade
In-Reply-To: <A15574B8-D367-4F22-90DF-D320448A32FE@cox.net>
References: <CAKCPGdpUeGnY_a1HF_=J8sx6ji=QJsHSh7qBq6BaqQLLThi7iQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<MWHPR16MB16946304EE4510908EBDA312B4459@MWHPR16MB1694.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<7bfbc278-e173-2d21-e134-5ba1faafa84c@gmail.com>
	<2db94e95-bded-7fd9-2ed7-b3633111d387@w3fpr.com>
	<A15574B8-D367-4F22-90DF-D320448A32FE@cox.net>
Message-ID: <1619270763416-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

I bought a couple of 6X9 Jensen speakers with whizzer cones at Best Buy years
ago along with some rectangular fuzzy boxes that are designed to mount them.
These speakers used to be the ones that were the rear seat speaker in the GM
cars in the 60's. They sound great and I use them wired as stereo on the K3.
Turning the AFX on sounds great too.



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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Apr 24 09:38:03 2021
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 08:38:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KPA500 question
Message-ID: <40675292-fbfd-1d10-8ea2-68b7d71328ad@blomand.net>

Check to see that the AUX cable is properly seated at the amp and at the 
the K3.?? If you have the KAT500, check the control cable is connected 
as shown on page 5, Figure 1 in the KAT500 manual.

Always secure the plugs with the supplied connector screws.? Just 
plugging in the connector is and invitation for issues.

73

Bob, K4TAX


Message: 6
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 21:17:02 -0400
From: "Joe K2UF"<joe at k2uf.com>
To:<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KPA500 question
Message-ID:<mailman.8391.1619267475.3572.elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

I have my K3-KAT500-KPA500 working great.  The amp is off to the left side
and I can't see the display easily.  while working on building an auto
antenna switch  I noticed  that the band display on the amp does not synch
with the K3.  It seems to be random.  If I hit  one dit on the key  the amp
will synch the band with the K3.  I am not sure if this has been working
like this right along and just did not  notice.
  
Any ideas guys.
  
73 Joe K2UF



From ai4ns.mike at gmail.com  Sat Apr 24 09:43:53 2021
From: ai4ns.mike at gmail.com (Mike Short)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 08:43:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975
In-Reply-To: <8E25CA35-49B9-46D8-9487-BC597E246425@elecraft.com>
References: <8E25CA35-49B9-46D8-9487-BC597E246425@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CAL7rsnGAYUKdisu_YuV1Pv-61QKjvT0aHxr5uDgT9-9r=c-AMw@mail.gmail.com>

I recently broke out my Dietzgen Stellar drafting set. Using it to layout
features for my steam engine project.

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 00:11 Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> OK, I've really dated myself now.
>
> Anyone remember "drafting"? A favorite class in high school: blueprints,
> mechanical drawings, schematics, straight edges, hand lettering,
> projections and elevations. We invented things to draw that weren't real,
> but looked like they should be. Did all the math by hand -- on a slide
> rule, if necessary. Day-dreamed about what we might one day build.
>
> 45 years later, we're using tools we couldn't have imagined. Modeling
> circuits and objects with millions of parameters and vectors, realizing
> them in virtual space, manipulating them in real time. Testing finished
> products before they're even assembled.
>
> The transformation is mind boggling. Yet the best part now, as it was
> then, is the occasional burst of creative energy that propels an idea
> forward. The feeling of pieces falling into place. Or forcing them into
> place out of sheer necessity.
>
> Most of the time, we think of our new tools and techniques as advances in
> the state of the art. Things we can't live without. But those same defining
> moments happened just as often in simpler times.
>
> Case in point -- my first real project, a rendition of W7ZOI's
> Micro-mountaineer. Carefully documenting it took several sheets of
> 4-squares-per-inch grid paper, which may still be in my cellar, beneath a
> lifetime of such drawings. With the schematic, I took a lot of pride in
> making the circuits look well-organized, as if that would somehow improve
> my odds. On the PC board, I drew large traces and pads with the etch-resist
> pen, as if that would somehow appease the electrons.
>
> I etched the PCB, soldered two dozen parts, and connected a 12 V lantern
> battery. Thanks to my paranoia about what would happen if I did it wrong,
> I'd taken my time and done it right.
>
> I was rewarded with a hiss of band noise and a few CW signals on 40 meters.
>
> Here's to those moments, and to that timeless pursuit: turning
> abstractions into reality.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
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From wb4nfs at gmail.com  Sat Apr 24 09:45:55 2021
From: wb4nfs at gmail.com (John O'Mara)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 09:45:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 1500 12V Fault
Message-ID: <085601d73910$26c650f0$7452f2d0$@gmail.com>

Good morning,

 

Recently, my KPA 1500 developed a fault that now happens every time I turn
on the amp.  Using the remote SW the fault is reported as 12V Fault.
Hitting the reset button clears the fault and the amp runs fine.  What is
causing this fault and is there any way that this can be addressed without
sending the amp back to Elecraft?

 

Thanks for any help.

 

73, Jack W4NF


From mikekopacki at gmail.com  Sat Apr 24 09:58:29 2021
From: mikekopacki at gmail.com (NJMike)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 06:58:29 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade
In-Reply-To: <CAKCPGdpUeGnY_a1HF_=J8sx6ji=QJsHSh7qBq6BaqQLLThi7iQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCPGdpUeGnY_a1HF_=J8sx6ji=QJsHSh7qBq6BaqQLLThi7iQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1619272709758-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Can you confirm the West Mountain ComSpeaker is 
#58410-950?

Since I?m a new K3S owner and still learning the radio, can you also confirm
that those speakers can be hooked up while keeping the headphones plugged
into the rear jack?

I?m sure there must be a Config menu change also. 

Thanks,
Mike NJ2OM 



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From radiok4ia at gmail.com  Sat Apr 24 10:14:12 2021
From: radiok4ia at gmail.com (Buck)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 10:14:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade
In-Reply-To: <A15574B8-D367-4F22-90DF-D320448A32FE@cox.net>
References: <2db94e95-bded-7fd9-2ed7-b3633111d387@w3fpr.com>
	<A15574B8-D367-4F22-90DF-D320448A32FE@cox.net>
Message-ID: <f2421172-1fba-9683-ab3b-328676773723@Gmail.com>

If you don't care for amplified speakers, the Pyle 3" Mini Cubes are 
excellent.  Less than $30 a pair online.

k4ia, Buck
K3s# 11497
Honor Roll  8B DXCC
EasyWayHamBooks.com

On 4/23/2021 7:23 PM, Jim Sheldon wrote:
> Don, you?re right on about those West Mountain Com Speakers.  I?ve had a pair on my K3S since day one and I wouldn?t trade them for anything.
> 
> My wife got me a second pair and I use them with my KX2 when I?m operating on my back deck.  Sure makes the KX2?s receiver sound super good.
> 
> Jim, W0EB
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Apr 23, 2021, at 6:13 PM, Don Wilhelm <don at w3fpr.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Since the K3 has stereo output, I suggest you look at the West Mountain Radio ComSpeakers.  They do a good job.
>> My K3 had 2 Radio Shack mini speakers on it, and the KX3 uses the ComSpeakers.  Great in all respects.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>>> On 4/23/2021 6:01 PM, Rick Bates, NK7I wrote:
>>> Regardless of radio, my go to is the black Motorola mobile speakers (~5" square, with mounts).  Already shaped for communications audio (chopped lows, peaked mids and some highs) by design, they sound awesome on the K3 *once you find a matching output pair* (they can vary in output by several dB).  Estate sales, swap meets and radio shop closures are prime spots to find them; often $10 each (oh heck yeah, snag it and bag it!).
>>>
>>> Also, if you find them, the old Radio Shack speaker cubes (about 2" cubed) have very clear communication audio and work great in a mobile environment.  Before RS went out of business the price was jacked up to about $60 (from $10) so swap meet prices may vary.
>>>
>>> I (almost) never use any internal speaker since they are not usually more than a basic add on, or have to be cranked up so much to be useful that they don't last long (and are mono with dual receivers).
>>>
>>> You might check to see what Elecraft offers for speakers to match your radio esthetics should your budget allow it.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Rick NK7I
>>>
>>
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From len at ka7ftp.com  Sat Apr 24 10:15:19 2021
From: len at ka7ftp.com (len at ka7ftp.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 08:15:19 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  High school drafting class, ~1975
In-Reply-To: <8E25CA35-49B9-46D8-9487-BC597E246425@elecraft.com>
References: <8E25CA35-49B9-46D8-9487-BC597E246425@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <0c1401d73914$41b2e050$c518a0f0$@ka7ftp.com>

Morning Wayne,

	As a variation of a theme I understand exactly what you are saying
about tools.   At nearly the same time during the end of my my Junior days
and High School I designed my first computer using the freshly minted Intel
8008.  My only tools were an Eico 460, an Ohm meter, a LED, and my mind.
Back in those days there were very few technical resources that a teenager
had access to.  Even the library at the University of Utah had really
limited information.    I grew up near there and spent many an hour walking
the shelves browsing topics.

	Probably like many others on this list  today, in addition to Ham
Radio and many other hobbies, I still love tinkering with old computers and
electronics.  I type on a laptop that has more processing power, memory, and
storage space than existed in the world when I first started tinkering.
Ironically I just completed building a Mil Mod 8/80 replica.  The PCB's were
produced by another Ham in Canada, VA3NGC Charles Baetsen.  Even though I
have very powerful tools today, a multi trace scope, a sixteen channel logic
analyzer, it was still a challenging task.   To top off that project I
designed and built a 16k/64k RAM/ROM card.  The little system has both 8008
and 8080 plug cards and I want to run more extensive software than I could
have otherwise done in 2k of RAM.  I used KICAD for the PCB layout, a far
cry from laying out a PCB with tape and Mylar like I did in the 70's.

	Even though the tools of  today are light years ahead of what we had
in our youth there is a single common denominator, the creativity of own
minds.   I don't believe we will EVER invent a more powerful tool than sits
on our shoulders.  Rare are those who have ever, and will ever, learn to
master its capabilities.

	Thanks for the seed!

73

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 11:09 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975

OK, I've really dated myself now. 

Anyone remember "drafting"? A favorite class in high school: blueprints,
mechanical drawings, schematics, straight edges, hand lettering, projections
and elevations. We invented things to draw that weren't real, but looked
like they should be. Did all the math by hand -- on a slide rule, if
necessary. Day-dreamed about what we might one day build.

45 years later, we're using tools we couldn't have imagined. Modeling
circuits and objects with millions of parameters and vectors, realizing them
in virtual space, manipulating them in real time. Testing finished products
before they're even assembled.

The transformation is mind boggling. Yet the best part now, as it was then,
is the occasional burst of creative energy that propels an idea forward. The
feeling of pieces falling into place. Or forcing them into place out of
sheer necessity. 

Most of the time, we think of our new tools and techniques as advances in
the state of the art. Things we can't live without. But those same defining
moments happened just as often in simpler times.

Case in point -- my first real project, a rendition of W7ZOI's
Micro-mountaineer. Carefully documenting it took several sheets of
4-squares-per-inch grid paper, which may still be in my cellar, beneath a
lifetime of such drawings. With the schematic, I took a lot of pride in
making the circuits look well-organized, as if that would somehow improve my
odds. On the PC board, I drew large traces and pads with the etch-resist
pen, as if that would somehow appease the electrons. 

I etched the PCB, soldered two dozen parts, and connected a 12 V lantern
battery. Thanks to my paranoia about what would happen if I did it wrong,
I'd taken my time and done it right. 

I was rewarded with a hiss of band noise and a few CW signals on 40 meters.

Here's to those moments, and to that timeless pursuit: turning abstractions
into reality.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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From lists at subich.com  Sat Apr 24 11:23:44 2021
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 11:23:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade
In-Reply-To: <f2421172-1fba-9683-ab3b-328676773723@Gmail.com>
References: <2db94e95-bded-7fd9-2ed7-b3633111d387@w3fpr.com>
	<A15574B8-D367-4F22-90DF-D320448A32FE@cox.net>
	<f2421172-1fba-9683-ab3b-328676773723@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c5a7c92e-c5e8-a18a-2cd9-398a85f3699b@subich.com>


Absolutely, I've used a pair with each of my K3(s) for several years.
They replaced larger "bookshelf" speakers with no loss in quality.
The little Pyle do not have the low end of the larger "bookshelf"
speakers, the spectrum below 200 Hz or so is not something that is
missed for "communications" audio.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2021-04-24 10:14 AM, Buck wrote:
> If you don't care for amplified speakers, the Pyle 3" Mini Cubes are 
> excellent.? Less than $30 a pair online.
> 
> k4ia, Buck
> K3s# 11497
> Honor Roll? 8B DXCC
> EasyWayHamBooks.com
> 


From mikekopacki at gmail.com  Sat Apr 24 11:50:29 2021
From: mikekopacki at gmail.com (NJMike)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 08:50:29 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade
In-Reply-To: <CAKCPGdpUeGnY_a1HF_=J8sx6ji=QJsHSh7qBq6BaqQLLThi7iQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCPGdpUeGnY_a1HF_=J8sx6ji=QJsHSh7qBq6BaqQLLThi7iQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1619279429855-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Can you confirm the West Mountain ComSpeaker is 
#58410-950?

Since I?m a new K3S owner and still learning the radio, can you also confirm
that those speakers can be hooked up while keeping the headphones plugged
into the rear jack?

I?m sure there must be a Config menu change also. 

Thanks,
Mike NJ2OM 



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From k8tb at bosscher.org  Sat Apr 24 12:05:21 2021
From: k8tb at bosscher.org (Tom)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 12:05:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S P3 for sale
In-Reply-To: <000701d73516$20bd52b0$6237f810$@com>
References: <000701d73516$20bd52b0$6237f810$@com>
Message-ID: <ebd6c816-ace3-eb27-a646-809438619a74@bosscher.org>

 From a local club email list server...

*Transceiver for sale*

I have the following transceiver and pan adaptor for sale which belonged 
to my friend Jim Forsman, K7BIE, who became a silent key on February 
20^th of this year:

(1)*Elecraft K3s HF Transceiver*, S/N 11182 with its manual and the 
following installed options:

Filter, 2.70 Khz

KAT3 antenna tuner

KIO3B USB control & sound card

KPA3 built in 100 watt amplifier

KXV3B I/O interface

Price: $2,200.00


(1)*Elecraft P3 Pan Adaptor *with all cables and manual

Price: $400.00


If both are purched together the price is $ 2,500


Plus $ 80 for insured shpping to the US and Canada


Any sale to outside the US and Canada will be buyers reponsibility for 
shipment

If interested; please contact Phil Van Huis by e-mail at k8pvh at arrl.net 
<mailto:k8pvh at arrl.net>

Phil, K8PVH


From wa6vab at gmail.com  Sat Apr 24 12:08:19 2021
From: wa6vab at gmail.com (Linda M)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 09:08:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975
In-Reply-To: <1619269912461-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <8E25CA35-49B9-46D8-9487-BC597E246425@elecraft.com>
	<CAKynJKksefpXJ6CvO3C_O=vk_EPS4vjB3-2ATg3xfJdXAeCk8g@mail.gmail.com>
	<FB6784EF-DFB0-4625-86D0-8B961F627002@rickham.net>,
	<1619269912461-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4387A213-B695-41FD-AE3B-783B047FA988@hxcore.ol>


From elecraft.list at videotron.ca  Sat Apr 24 12:12:20 2021
From: elecraft.list at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 12:12:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] There is a new release of Win4K3Suite
Message-ID: <037901d73924$9b4eaf30$d1ec0d90$@videotron.ca>

Hello,
There is a new version of Win4K3Suite available.  This release has
additional support for a 4th transverter.
Win4K3Suite is a full featured control program for the K3/S, KX3 and KX2.
It has a built in Panadapter that works with LPPAN and a sound card, as well
as the SDRPlay RSP's. It supports the KAT500, KPA500/1500 and the KXPA100 on
most of the above radios.  
A unique feature is that is has 6 built in Virtual Radios, each of which
works just like an Elecraft radio.  This allows sharing of a single COM port
with up to 6 applications.  It also has a built in HRDLogbook server and the
EiBi Shortwave database.
There are many more features like full access to menu items, a cluster
display using your ClubLog credentials and many more.
You see more information here:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=win4k3suite
and download a fully functional 30 day trial at va2fsq.com

73 Tom
va2fsq.com


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From mike.chowning at franciscan.org  Sat Apr 24 12:20:23 2021
From: mike.chowning at franciscan.org (Michael Chowning)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 16:20:23 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  High school drafting class, ~1975
In-Reply-To: <8E25CA35-49B9-46D8-9487-BC597E246425@elecraft.com>
References: <8E25CA35-49B9-46D8-9487-BC597E246425@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <FA357642-6B9A-4377-899C-EE2EC66B023F@franciscan.org>

Drafting, 1956-57.  For the first four weeks of class, Sr. Mary Joseph would not let us touch any drafting instruments until we each made, sanded, shellac?ed, to her satisfaction, our own drafting boards. Her rationale was that if we crafted our own boards, we would take better care of them.  She was right.  Due to the lack of a third year Latin class at my parochial high school, I took the Drafting class, which proved to be the most practical class I ever took, more so than the physics, chemistry and math.
         Mike, N8TTR

> On Apr 24, 2021, at 1:08 AM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> OK, I've really dated myself now. 
> 
> Anyone remember "drafting"? A favorite class in high school: blueprints, mechanical drawings, schematics, straight edges, hand lettering, projections and elevations. We invented things to draw that weren't real, but looked like they should be. Did all the math by hand -- on a slide rule, if necessary. Day-dreamed about what we might one day build.
> 
> 45 years later, we're using tools we couldn't have imagined. Modeling circuits and objects with millions of parameters and vectors, realizing them in virtual space, manipulating them in real time. Testing finished products before they're even assembled.
> 
> The transformation is mind boggling. Yet the best part now, as it was then, is the occasional burst of creative energy that propels an idea forward. The feeling of pieces falling into place. Or forcing them into place out of sheer necessity. 
> 
> Most of the time, we think of our new tools and techniques as advances in the state of the art. Things we can't live without. But those same defining moments happened just as often in simpler times.
> 
> Case in point -- my first real project, a rendition of W7ZOI's Micro-mountaineer. Carefully documenting it took several sheets of 4-squares-per-inch grid paper, which may still be in my cellar, beneath a lifetime of such drawings. With the schematic, I took a lot of pride in making the circuits look well-organized, as if that would somehow improve my odds. On the PC board, I drew large traces and pads with the etch-resist pen, as if that would somehow appease the electrons. 
> 
> I etched the PCB, soldered two dozen parts, and connected a 12 V lantern battery. Thanks to my paranoia about what would happen if I did it wrong, I'd taken my time and done it right. 
> 
> I was rewarded with a hiss of band noise and a few CW signals on 40 meters.
> 
> Here's to those moments, and to that timeless pursuit: turning abstractions into reality.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
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From n5xz at earthlink.net  Sat Apr 24 12:25:13 2021
From: n5xz at earthlink.net (n5xz at earthlink.net)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 11:25:13 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Power Output issue
Message-ID: <054c01d73926$6745d810$35d18830$@earthlink.net>

My K3 s/n 2324 has developed a problem with its output power. It is very
non-linear especially between 12 and say about 50 watts. Output is low until
about there and I do not get full output on some bands, for example I can
only get about 35 watts now on 6m. I have attempted to do the TX Gain
Calibration but is always fails. Elecraft tech support has advised me to try
the "three finger test" to test the KLPA3. I may have access to the PA board
of another K3.wondering if I could just swap them out to determine if that
is where the problem is??

 

Allen R. Brier N5XZ

1515 Windloch Lane

Richmond, TX 77406

713-705-4801

 



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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sat Apr 24 12:50:34 2021
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 09:50:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade
In-Reply-To: <1619279429855-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <CAKCPGdpUeGnY_a1HF_=J8sx6ji=QJsHSh7qBq6BaqQLLThi7iQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1619279429855-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <2B6F1133-5604-44B5-BAA5-B5AE30400173@wunderwood.org>

The COMspkr is amplified, which you don?t need with the K3.

I use the Pyle cubes with my KX3 (and a small audio amp). They are fine. Currently $28.28 on Amazon.

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B000MCGF1O/

Another option would be the old Radio Shack AV speakers with the cast aluminum cabinets. I have a
single Optimus PRO-X44AV for my Lowe HF-150, I should probable get a pair for the KX3. Similar 
speakers are the Optimus 77, the Minimus 7, and so on.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Apr 24, 2021, at 8:50 AM, NJMike <mikekopacki at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Can you confirm the West Mountain ComSpeaker is 
> #58410-950?
> 
> Since I?m a new K3S owner and still learning the radio, can you also confirm
> that those speakers can be hooked up while keeping the headphones plugged
> into the rear jack?
> 
> I?m sure there must be a Config menu change also. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike NJ2OM 
> 
> 
> 
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sat Apr 24 13:31:17 2021
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 09:31:17 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975
Message-ID: <202104241731.13OHVaBn022649@mail47c28.carrierzone.com>

Wayne,

Thanks for sharing the memories.

I had been drawing things since a child, won a contest with a local 
radio show for my crayon drawings at age five.  By the time I was in 
college I was already good at that.  I got 1/2 point off one of my 
drawings in drafting class, otherwise got 100% (found out latter, I 
was top in drafting for my engineering class).

But I went into Electrical Engineering as a profession (where drawing 
skills helped with diagrams).

Many years later I married the chief drafts-person for ORECK 
Engineering.  She was doing 3-D models on a computer which provided 
files for their modeling machine to create scale models of 
prospective products from plastic.  She had been an artist in HS and 
chose drafting as her profession (instead of starving artist).  She 
handled the entire blueprint library, keeping eng. change records for 
the company.  Great organizational skills.  Those of you who 
subscribe to Dubus Magazine in NA know her for managing subscriptions 
(Janet Cole).

73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 


From don at w3fpr.com  Sat Apr 24 13:41:59 2021
From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 13:41:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade
In-Reply-To: <1619279429855-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <CAKCPGdpUeGnY_a1HF_=J8sx6ji=QJsHSh7qBq6BaqQLLThi7iQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1619279429855-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <59dd1e4c-17a4-271c-5cea-92a73821ff9f@w3fpr.com>

Yes, They call it ComSpkr and it is priced at $39.95.
It is a pair of "computer" speakers, but it is shielded so it does not 
buzz when RF is present.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/24/2021 11:50 AM, NJMike wrote:
> Can you confirm the West Mountain ComSpeaker is
> #58410-950?
>
> Since I?m a new K3S owner and still learning the radio, can you also confirm
> that those speakers can be hooked up while keeping the headphones plugged
> into the rear jack?
>
> I?m sure there must be a Config menu change also.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike NJ2OM
>


From wk6i.jeff at gmail.com  Sat Apr 24 13:42:32 2021
From: wk6i.jeff at gmail.com (Jeff Stai)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 10:42:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975
In-Reply-To: <8E25CA35-49B9-46D8-9487-BC597E246425@elecraft.com>
References: <8E25CA35-49B9-46D8-9487-BC597E246425@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CAH0gZcb8Y5Y6dODJtsTx=RGKTEAE9dZXVL15b=-WfwbwFUg1wA@mail.gmail.com>

Not offered in my HS as I recall in 1976 but in college one quarter of it
was required. I enjoyed it so much I took the second quarter.

My son who almost has his degree also recently took "drafting" courses, in
which they did an entire internal combustion engine including animating it
when it was done. Yike. 73 jeff wk6i

On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 10:11 PM Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> OK, I've really dated myself now.
>
> Anyone remember "drafting"? A favorite class in high school: blueprints,
> mechanical drawings, schematics, straight edges, hand lettering,
> projections and elevations. We invented things to draw that weren't real,
> but looked like they should be. Did all the math by hand -- on a slide
> rule, if necessary. Day-dreamed about what we might one day build.
>
>
-- 
Jeff Stai ~ WK6I ~ wk6i.jeff at gmail.com
RTTY op at W7RN
Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/

From w2bvh at comcast.net  Sat Apr 24 13:43:46 2021
From: w2bvh at comcast.net (w2bvh)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 13:43:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975
In-Reply-To: <8E25CA35-49B9-46D8-9487-BC597E246425@elecraft.com>
References: <8E25CA35-49B9-46D8-9487-BC597E246425@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <aebcb041-a641-39b5-4890-e8a61e7a5946@comcast.net>

I didn't get to do a drafting course until college. It was taught by the 
dean (guess any prof who had to get us to understand solid state 
physics? was "too good" to teach drafting).. I still fondly remember 
doing some sheet metal layout and having such an oddly shaped piece in 
the flat mapping so well to the intended shape in 3D. Didn't help at all 
with EE, but fun!

73 & stay safe
Lenny W2BVH.


On 4/24/2021 1:08 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> OK, I've really dated myself now.
>
> Anyone remember "drafting"? A favorite class in high school: blueprints, mechanical drawings, schematics, straight edges, hand lettering, projections and elevations. We invented things to draw that weren't real, but looked like they should be. Did all the math by hand -- on a slide rule, if necessary. Day-dreamed about what we might one day build.
>
> 45 years later, we're using tools we couldn't have imagined. Modeling circuits and objects with millions of parameters and vectors, realizing them in virtual space, manipulating them in real time. Testing finished products before they're even assembled.
>
> The transformation is mind boggling. Yet the best part now, as it was then, is the occasional burst of creative energy that propels an idea forward. The feeling of pieces falling into place. Or forcing them into place out of sheer necessity.
>
> Most of the time, we think of our new tools and techniques as advances in the state of the art. Things we can't live without. But those same defining moments happened just as often in simpler times.
>
> Case in point -- my first real project, a rendition of W7ZOI's Micro-mountaineer. Carefully documenting it took several sheets of 4-squares-per-inch grid paper, which may still be in my cellar, beneath a lifetime of such drawings. With the schematic, I took a lot of pride in making the circuits look well-organized, as if that would somehow improve my odds. On the PC board, I drew large traces and pads with the etch-resist pen, as if that would somehow appease the electrons.
>
> I etched the PCB, soldered two dozen parts, and connected a 12 V lantern battery. Thanks to my paranoia about what would happen if I did it wrong, I'd taken my time and done it right.
>
> I was rewarded with a hiss of band noise and a few CW signals on 40 meters.
>
> Here's to those moments, and to that timeless pursuit: turning abstractions into reality.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
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From n6zw at comcast.net  Sat Apr 24 13:52:01 2021
From: n6zw at comcast.net (MIKE ZANE)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 10:52:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975
In-Reply-To: <1619269912461-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <8E25CA35-49B9-46D8-9487-BC597E246425@elecraft.com>
	<CAKynJKksefpXJ6CvO3C_O=vk_EPS4vjB3-2ATg3xfJdXAeCk8g@mail.gmail.com>
	<FB6784EF-DFB0-4625-86D0-8B961F627002@rickham.net>
	<1619269912461-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <505740972.134120.1619286721986@connect.xfinity.com>

Way back then in 1955, we only had Mechanical Drawing, no drafting. Mike
> On 04/24/2021 6:11 AM Barry <w2up at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>  
> High school in 1975?  You're just a kid in ham circles, Wayne  :-)
> 
> Barry W2UP (HS class of '74)
> 
> 
> 
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From dave.w0zf at gmail.com  Sat Apr 24 14:02:50 2021
From: dave.w0zf at gmail.com (Dave Fugleberg)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 13:02:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975
In-Reply-To: <8E25CA35-49B9-46D8-9487-BC597E246425@elecraft.com>
References: <8E25CA35-49B9-46D8-9487-BC597E246425@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CAF==Uf0B-6F7cN8ZDnqRQKx2fdQha8PFG3EBKpw-XsGSE17pYA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the memories Wayne! My High School drafting class was just a
couple of years after yours, and I remember it fondly. Everything from
drafting pencils (with lead of various sizes/hardness) to technical ink
pens on vellum.  I enjoyed it so much that I persuaded the instructor to
let me check out one of the old drafting machines for the summer break (I
think it was a Universal).

Just a few years later, in my first real job as an electronics technician,
I was introduced to electronic schematic capture tools, specifically the
Daisy Systems Logician and some Mentor Graphics systems. I spent hundreds
of hours drawing and updating schematics for the EEs at that company. Those
machines were over $100 grand each at the time, with 10MB hard drives.
Then the wirelists went to automatic wirewrap machines, or later, to
specialized board routing/layout machines that were even more expensive.

Now we have free or cheap schematic capture software on PCs thousands of
times more powerful for use as hobbyists.  Amazing. Yes, a lot has changed
in less than 50 years.

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 12:10 AM Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> OK, I've really dated myself now.
>
> Anyone remember "drafting"? A favorite class in high school: blueprints,
> mechanical drawings, schematics, straight edges, hand lettering,
> projections and elevations. We invented things to draw that weren't real,
> but looked like they should be. Did all the math by hand -- on a slide
> rule, if necessary. Day-dreamed about what we might one day build.
>
> 45 years later, we're using tools we couldn't have imagined. Modeling
> circuits and objects with millions of parameters and vectors, realizing
> them in virtual space, manipulating them in real time. Testing finished
> products before they're even assembled.
>
> The transformation is mind boggling. Yet the best part now, as it was
> then, is the occasional burst of creative energy that propels an idea
> forward. The feeling of pieces falling into place. Or forcing them into
> place out of sheer necessity.
>
> Most of the time, we think of our new tools and techniques as advances in
> the state of the art. Things we can't live without. But those same defining
> moments happened just as often in simpler times.
>
> Case in point -- my first real project, a rendition of W7ZOI's
> Micro-mountaineer. Carefully documenting it took several sheets of
> 4-squares-per-inch grid paper, which may still be in my cellar, beneath a
> lifetime of such drawings. With the schematic, I took a lot of pride in
> making the circuits look well-organized, as if that would somehow improve
> my odds. On the PC board, I drew large traces and pads with the etch-resist
> pen, as if that would somehow appease the electrons.
>
> I etched the PCB, soldered two dozen parts, and connected a 12 V lantern
> battery. Thanks to my paranoia about what would happen if I did it wrong,
> I'd taken my time and done it right.
>
> I was rewarded with a hiss of band noise and a few CW signals on 40 meters.
>
> Here's to those moments, and to that timeless pursuit: turning
> abstractions into reality.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
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From rick at tavan.com  Sat Apr 24 15:16:19 2021
From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 12:16:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 eHam Review Updated
Message-ID: <CANVONAKWNhhJdza3OgLBqoQ+B6wzeCwJKthTnRST76QzQSEUaA@mail.gmail.com>

I've updated my K4 review on eham.net to correct a few errors and add a
section on User Interface. It should be available as soon as eHam vets the
new version to make sure I didn't include any politically incorrect words
or images. (I didn't.)  ;-)  And I bcc'ed a friend who is an eHam insider
and may be able to expedite that approval.

73,

/Rick N6XI

--

Rick Tavan
Truckee and Saratoga, CA

From andrewfaber at ymail.com  Sat Apr 24 15:44:01 2021
From: andrewfaber at ymail.com (Andrew Faber)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 19:44:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 eHam Review Updated
In-Reply-To: <CANVONAKWNhhJdza3OgLBqoQ+B6wzeCwJKthTnRST76QzQSEUaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANVONAKWNhhJdza3OgLBqoQ+B6wzeCwJKthTnRST76QzQSEUaA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2077245328.134544.1619293441809@mail.yahoo.com>

 Rick, and Bob,?Thanks for the reviews.? I note that Rick started his off with a clever limerick.?Here's another limerick in honor of both reviews:?The K4 has been a long wait,
There's been lots of talk and debate.
? But its finally here,
? And the verdict is clear;
Reviewers say:"It's really great!" 

?73, Andy AE6Y 

    On Saturday, April 24, 2021, 12:16:53 PM PDT, Rick Tavan <rick at tavan.com> wrote:  
 
 I've updated my K4 review on eham.net to correct a few errors and add a
section on User Interface. It should be available as soon as eHam vets the
new version to make sure I didn't include any politically incorrect words
or images. (I didn't.)? ;-)? And I bcc'ed a friend who is an eHam insider
and may be able to expedite that approval.

73,

/Rick N6XI

--

Rick Tavan
Truckee and Saratoga, CA
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Apr 24 15:55:20 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 12:55:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade
In-Reply-To: <1619279429855-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <CAKCPGdpUeGnY_a1HF_=J8sx6ji=QJsHSh7qBq6BaqQLLThi7iQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1619279429855-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <ac3701ec-6c19-3c56-1039-b362aef68090@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 4/24/2021 8:50 AM, NJMike wrote:
> Since I?m a new K3S owner and still learning the radio, can you also confirm
> that those speakers can be hooked up while keeping the headphones plugged
> into the rear jack?

You did study the K3S manual, didn't you?

73, Jim K9YC

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Apr 24 16:02:10 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 13:02:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975
In-Reply-To: <20210424080242.4B270149AEFF@mail.qsl.net>
References: <20210424080242.4B270149AEFF@mail.qsl.net>
Message-ID: <b43a1f6c-bbe1-d026-9f68-483bebc97b1c@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 4/24/2021 1:00 AM, Joe K2UF wrote:
> In 1955 we were the cool guys with a slide rule in a leather case hanging
> from your belt and india ink stains on your hands.

I don't remember Drafting in high school, but I do remember it, along 
with courses in Nomography graphical methods to compute equations) and 
the derivation of emperical equations from graphical data, both of which 
were taught with mechanical drawing in my freshman year of EE in '59-'60.

My slide rule NEVER hung from my belt.

73, Jim K9YC


From wa8jxm at gmail.com  Sat Apr 24 16:38:36 2021
From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken WA8JXM)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 16:38:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975
In-Reply-To: <CAF==Uf0B-6F7cN8ZDnqRQKx2fdQha8PFG3EBKpw-XsGSE17pYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8E25CA35-49B9-46D8-9487-BC597E246425@elecraft.com>
	<CAF==Uf0B-6F7cN8ZDnqRQKx2fdQha8PFG3EBKpw-XsGSE17pYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAABDLm0DhANswq_bkHCWj8At_yVB=HK-=VzcLaSrcPTF1odVpA@mail.gmail.com>

In 1967 I started work as a Draftsman Trainee in the Engineering Division
of P&G.  My group leader told me "There is a timesharing computer terminal
(Teletype 33) down the hall that we are not using.  Find out if we can do
anything with it."  That started my progression to programming and
eventually microcomputer evaluation and support.  I retired in 2001.

BTW, we never did "pen and ink", pencil was used and then converted to
mylar drawings.  Items like paper machines (Charmin, Bounty) are done in
right and left pairs (mirror images).  The drawings were flipped over to
get the identical mirror images.  Printing was erased and redone in
readable form.

Ken WA8JXM

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 2:05 PM Dave Fugleberg <dave.w0zf at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the memories Wayne! My High School drafting class was just a
> couple of years after yours, and I remember it fondly. Everything from
> drafting pencils (with lead of various sizes/hardness) to technical ink
> pens on vellum.  I enjoyed it so much that I persuaded the instructor to
> let me check out one of the old drafting machines for the summer break (I
> think it was a Universal).
>
> Just a few years later, in my first real job as an electronics technician,
> I was introduced to electronic schematic capture tools, specifically the
> Daisy Systems Logician and some Mentor Graphics systems. I spent hundreds
> of hours drawing and updating schematics for the EEs at that company. Those
> machines were over $100 grand each at the time, with 10MB hard drives.
> Then the wirelists went to automatic wirewrap machines, or later, to
> specialized board routing/layout machines that were even more expensive.
>
> Now we have free or cheap schematic capture software on PCs thousands of
> times more powerful for use as hobbyists.  Amazing. Yes, a lot has changed
> in less than 50 years.
>
> On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 12:10 AM Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>
> > OK, I've really dated myself now.
> >
> > Anyone remember "drafting"? A favorite class in high school: blueprints,
> > mechanical drawings, schematics, straight edges, hand lettering,
> > projections and elevations. We invented things to draw that weren't real,
> > but looked like they should be. Did all the math by hand -- on a slide
> > rule, if necessary. Day-dreamed about what we might one day build.
> >
> > 45 years later, we're using tools we couldn't have imagined. Modeling
> > circuits and objects with millions of parameters and vectors, realizing
> > them in virtual space, manipulating them in real time. Testing finished
> > products before they're even assembled.
> >
> > The transformation is mind boggling. Yet the best part now, as it was
> > then, is the occasional burst of creative energy that propels an idea
> > forward. The feeling of pieces falling into place. Or forcing them into
> > place out of sheer necessity.
> >
> > Most of the time, we think of our new tools and techniques as advances in
> > the state of the art. Things we can't live without. But those same
> defining
> > moments happened just as often in simpler times.
> >
> > Case in point -- my first real project, a rendition of W7ZOI's
> > Micro-mountaineer. Carefully documenting it took several sheets of
> > 4-squares-per-inch grid paper, which may still be in my cellar, beneath a
> > lifetime of such drawings. With the schematic, I took a lot of pride in
> > making the circuits look well-organized, as if that would somehow improve
> > my odds. On the PC board, I drew large traces and pads with the
> etch-resist
> > pen, as if that would somehow appease the electrons.
> >
> > I etched the PCB, soldered two dozen parts, and connected a 12 V lantern
> > battery. Thanks to my paranoia about what would happen if I did it wrong,
> > I'd taken my time and done it right.
> >
> > I was rewarded with a hiss of band noise and a few CW signals on 40
> meters.
> >
> > Here's to those moments, and to that timeless pursuit: turning
> > abstractions into reality.
> >
> > 73,
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
> >
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From don at w3fpr.com  Sat Apr 24 16:53:10 2021
From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 16:53:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade
In-Reply-To: <7bfbc278-e173-2d21-e134-5ba1faafa84c@gmail.com>
References: <CAKCPGdpUeGnY_a1HF_=J8sx6ji=QJsHSh7qBq6BaqQLLThi7iQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<MWHPR16MB16946304EE4510908EBDA312B4459@MWHPR16MB1694.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<7bfbc278-e173-2d21-e134-5ba1faafa84c@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ce3b7856-2263-be1a-2a7f-4095a7092cd3@w3fpr.com>

Since the K3 has stereo output, I suggest you look at the West Mountain 
Radio ComSpeakers.? They do a good job.
My K3 had 2 Radio Shack mini speakers on it, and the KX3 uses the 
ComSpeakers.? Great in all respects.

73,
Don W3FPR

The original poster asked about plugging in both the speakers and 
headphones into the rear jacks.
Yes - I leave the headphones live at all times and toggle the SPKR + 
PHONES menu to use the speakers - no plugging/unplugging.

73,
Don W3FPR

From dbthompson at me.com  Sat Apr 24 17:12:57 2021
From: dbthompson at me.com (David Thompson)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 14:12:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  High school drafting class, ~1975
In-Reply-To: <8E25CA35-49B9-46D8-9487-BC597E246425@elecraft.com>
References: <8E25CA35-49B9-46D8-9487-BC597E246425@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <A7C3155D-86B8-4016-8E1C-ED027689F189@me.com>

> On Apr 23, 2021, at 22:08, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> Anyone remember "drafting"? A favorite class in high school: blueprints, mechanical drawings, schematics, straight edges, hand lettering, projections and elevations. We invented things to draw that weren't real, but looked like they should be. Did all the math by hand -- on a slide rule, if necessary. Day-dreamed about what we might one day build.


Afternoon sir (and the group),

I still have my Dietzgen drafting set from high school, circa 1970. That was the only drafting class that I ever had, but I made a living as a drafter and design technician for a number of years. I then supplemented my income while in college preparing camera-ready drawings for graduate students and faculty members at university.

My Koh-I-Nor technical pens are still in the case (in a box in the garage) along with a set of Leroy lettering templates, including Greek symbols. I can still run a Leroy bug.

That drafting class led me to a career in engineering. I still hand draw sketches for analytical work. Although it?s been a long time since I drew an isometric.

Fun stuff? thanks for making me remember? 

David Thompson, AG7TX
Jack of All Trades
Master of None
CWOps #2861
dbthompson at me.com
ag7tx at arrl.net



From louandzip at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 24 17:44:06 2021
From: louandzip at yahoo.com (Louandzip)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 21:44:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  High school drafting class, ~1975
In-Reply-To: <A7C3155D-86B8-4016-8E1C-ED027689F189@me.com>
References: <8E25CA35-49B9-46D8-9487-BC597E246425@elecraft.com>
	<A7C3155D-86B8-4016-8E1C-ED027689F189@me.com>
Message-ID: <899058321.123034.1619300646324@mail.yahoo.com>

 Yep, did the mechanical dwgs by hand and taped the artwork for the PCBs for the first few products I designed at a startup.? When I built my K2 in 00/01, I used a drafting table that had a drafting machine as a work bench and my first operating desk.? I had gotten it from work when they were ditching them and going totally digital.? I remember our new CAD workstations being a big deal because they had 80286 processors!

Lou W7HV

    On Saturday, April 24, 2021, 3:13:48 PM MDT, David Thompson via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:  
 
 > On Apr 23, 2021, at 22:08, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> Anyone remember "drafting"? A favorite class in high school: blueprints, mechanical drawings, schematics, straight edges, hand lettering, projections and elevations. We invented things to draw that weren't real, but looked like they should be. Did all the math by hand -- on a slide rule, if necessary. Day-dreamed about what we might one day build.


Afternoon sir (and the group),

I still have my Dietzgen drafting set from high school, circa 1970. That was the only drafting class that I ever had, but I made a living as a drafter and design technician for a number of years. I then supplemented my income while in college preparing camera-ready drawings for graduate students and faculty members at university.

My Koh-I-Nor technical pens are still in the case (in a box in the garage) along with a set of Leroy lettering templates, including Greek symbols. I can still run a Leroy bug.

That drafting class led me to a career in engineering. I still hand draw sketches for analytical work. Although it?s been a long time since I drew an isometric.

Fun stuff? thanks for making me remember? 

David Thompson, AG7TX
Jack of All Trades
Master of None
CWOps #2861
dbthompson at me.com
ag7tx at arrl.net


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From ka4fox at gmail.com  Sat Apr 24 18:04:57 2021
From: ka4fox at gmail.com (Steve Fox)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 18:04:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Re Drafting
Message-ID: <5E938AB0-FEFA-4ED3-9DF5-45117893F8B8@gmail.com>

I had drafting in junior high.  It, Like calculus, was a skill which I very much admired but failed to master.

Steve
KA4FOX 

From clark.macaulay at gmail.com  Sat Apr 24 18:21:36 2021
From: clark.macaulay at gmail.com (Clark Macaulay)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 18:21:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975
In-Reply-To: <8E25CA35-49B9-46D8-9487-BC597E246425@elecraft.com>
References: <8E25CA35-49B9-46D8-9487-BC597E246425@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CA+KWkDh2o8pJUgpo1QpiX6ND36=SbF=1DEXNXjTC+mnZa2OLaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Oh, my, Wayne.  We must be of the same age--er vintage?  I still have  my
K&E drafting tools set and my K&E Log Log Duplex Decitrig slide rule
(mahogany don't you know).
Memories of eraser dust; velum; t-square; PC layout by hand; plastic symbol
templates.  I think it was then that I changed from cursive to block
lettering, never to look back until taking  up CW some 40 years later.

Unlike you, I never had the creative genius to think up something, build
it, and have it work.  BUT I do still enjoy, after all these years,
building something that somebody else designed and making it work.  Still
magic after all these years.

Any, yes, some of those designs I built and let out the magic gas were
yours.  I hope you will have the creative juice in you for some time to
come.  Maybe even another real kit (soldering, toroids) from Elecraft just
for fun.

Stay well, my friend,

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On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 1:10 AM Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> OK, I've really dated myself now.
>
> Anyone remember "drafting"? A favorite class in high school: blueprints,
> mechanical drawings, schematics, straight edges, hand lettering,
> projections and elevations. We invented things to draw that weren't real,
> but looked like they should be. Did all the math by hand -- on a slide
> rule, if necessary. Day-dreamed about what we might one day build.
>
> 45 years later, we're using tools we couldn't have imagined. Modeling
> circuits and objects with millions of parameters and vectors, realizing
> them in virtual space, manipulating them in real time. Testing finished
> products before they're even assembled.
>
> The transformation is mind boggling. Yet the best part now, as it was
> then, is the occasional burst of creative energy that propels an idea
> forward. The feeling of pieces falling into place. Or forcing them into
> place out of sheer necessity.
>
> Most of the time, we think of our new tools and techniques as advances in
> the state of the art. Things we can't live without. But those same defining
> moments happened just as often in simpler times.
>
> Case in point -- my first real project, a rendition of W7ZOI's
> Micro-mountaineer. Carefully documenting it took several sheets of
> 4-squares-per-inch grid paper, which may still be in my cellar, beneath a
> lifetime of such drawings. With the schematic, I took a lot of pride in
> making the circuits look well-organized, as if that would somehow improve
> my odds. On the PC board, I drew large traces and pads with the etch-resist
> pen, as if that would somehow appease the electrons.
>
> I etched the PCB, soldered two dozen parts, and connected a 12 V lantern
> battery. Thanks to my paranoia about what would happen if I did it wrong,
> I'd taken my time and done it right.
>
> I was rewarded with a hiss of band noise and a few CW signals on 40 meters.
>
> Here's to those moments, and to that timeless pursuit: turning
> abstractions into reality.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
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-- 
73,

Clark, WU4B
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SKCC #3892
NAQCC #5055
CWOPS #1869
Collins Collectors #AC90-12432
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*"It is vain to do with more what can be done with less."*
*Attributed to *William of Occam (1288 AD - 1348 AD)

From ehr at qrv.com  Sat Apr 24 18:54:12 2021
From: ehr at qrv.com (Edward H Russell)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 18:54:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  High school drafting class, ~1975
In-Reply-To: <8E25CA35-49B9-46D8-9487-BC597E246425@elecraft.com>
References: <8E25CA35-49B9-46D8-9487-BC597E246425@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <02df01d7395c$beb92c60$3c2b8520$@qrv.com>

I'm with you on this. Freshman Engineering Drafting class in 1970 was a
total revelation. But look where we are now! (My technique seeks renewal.)

ED / W2RF




-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 1:09 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975

OK, I've really dated myself now. 

Anyone remember "drafting"? A favorite class in high school: blueprints,
mechanical drawings, schematics, straight edges, hand lettering, projections
and elevations. We invented things to draw that weren't real, but looked
like they should be. Did all the math by hand -- on a slide rule, if
necessary. Day-dreamed about what we might one day build.

45 years later, we're using tools we couldn't have imagined. Modeling
circuits and objects with millions of parameters and vectors, realizing them
in virtual space, manipulating them in real time. Testing finished products
before they're even assembled.

The transformation is mind boggling. Yet the best part now, as it was then,
is the occasional burst of creative energy that propels an idea forward. The
feeling of pieces falling into place. Or forcing them into place out of
sheer necessity. 

Most of the time, we think of our new tools and techniques as advances in
the state of the art. Things we can't live without. But those same defining
moments happened just as often in simpler times.

Case in point -- my first real project, a rendition of W7ZOI's
Micro-mountaineer. Carefully documenting it took several sheets of
4-squares-per-inch grid paper, which may still be in my cellar, beneath a
lifetime of such drawings. With the schematic, I took a lot of pride in
making the circuits look well-organized, as if that would somehow improve my
odds. On the PC board, I drew large traces and pads with the etch-resist
pen, as if that would somehow appease the electrons. 

I etched the PCB, soldered two dozen parts, and connected a 12 V lantern
battery. Thanks to my paranoia about what would happen if I did it wrong,
I'd taken my time and done it right. 

I was rewarded with a hiss of band noise and a few CW signals on 40 meters.

Here's to those moments, and to that timeless pursuit: turning abstractions
into reality.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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From don at w3fpr.com  Sat Apr 24 19:08:41 2021
From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 19:08:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975
In-Reply-To: <CA+KWkDh2o8pJUgpo1QpiX6ND36=SbF=1DEXNXjTC+mnZa2OLaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8E25CA35-49B9-46D8-9487-BC597E246425@elecraft.com>
	<CA+KWkDh2o8pJUgpo1QpiX6ND36=SbF=1DEXNXjTC+mnZa2OLaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9a108e61-ea5b-648d-958f-80181679b6de@w3fpr.com>

I did take a Mechanical Drawing class in High School.? It was of some 
use in my EE classes in college, but mostly drawing lines for schematics 
at that time (1960 era) - a straightedge and a compass or plastic 
template for making circles (remember tubes) was all that was needed at 
that time.? We graduated to transistors in my senior year.

Those HS class skills were mainly unused for many years until I took an 
early retirement and started a custom woodworking shop. Then those 
skills gave me the ability to sit down with a customer and sketch out 
what they wanted in a perspective image, making changes until the 
customer and I were satisfied about what they wanted me to build.

73,
Don W3FPR




From sidfrissell at gmail.com  Sat Apr 24 19:18:28 2021
From: sidfrissell at gmail.com (Sid Frissell)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 17:18:28 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] P
Message-ID: <009688CA-E488-4353-B2DD-A0079E5F51F6@gmail.com>



Sent From Sid Frissell's iPad

From julia at juliatuttle.net  Sat Apr 24 19:20:47 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 19:20:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P
In-Reply-To: <009688CA-E488-4353-B2DD-A0079E5F51F6@gmail.com>
References: <009688CA-E488-4353-B2DD-A0079E5F51F6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrOnw7g9EJRZCdB=ha39jAj4p7ELksME-jyZ2tvCBxwqcA@mail.gmail.com>

Q

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 7:20 PM Sid Frissell <sidfrissell at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Sent From Sid Frissell's iPad
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From dave at nk7z.net  Sat Apr 24 21:30:26 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 18:30:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P
In-Reply-To: <CAEVEBrOnw7g9EJRZCdB=ha39jAj4p7ELksME-jyZ2tvCBxwqcA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <009688CA-E488-4353-B2DD-A0079E5F51F6@gmail.com>
	<CAEVEBrOnw7g9EJRZCdB=ha39jAj4p7ELksME-jyZ2tvCBxwqcA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ce55f4fd-c713-3255-1c91-1bc60bc284dc@nk7z.net>

R

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 4/24/21 4:20 PM, Julia Tuttle wrote:
> Q
> 
> On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 7:20 PM Sid Frissell <sidfrissell at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>
>>
>> Sent From Sid Frissell's iPad
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From k8tb at bosscher.org  Sat Apr 24 21:33:58 2021
From: k8tb at bosscher.org (Tom)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 21:33:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S P3 for sale, Sold...
In-Reply-To: <ebd6c816-ace3-eb27-a646-809438619a74@bosscher.org>
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	<ebd6c816-ace3-eb27-a646-809438619a74@bosscher.org>
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*The K3s and P3 have been sold. thank you to all. *

On 4/24/2021 12:05 PM, Tom wrote:
> From a local club email list server...
>
> *Transceiver for sale*
>
> I have the following transceiver and pan adaptor for sale which 
> belonged to my friend Jim Forsman, K7BIE, who became a silent key on 
> February 20^th of this year:
>
> (1)*Elecraft K3s HF Transceiver*, S/N 11182 with its manual and the 
> following installed options:
>
> Filter, 2.70 Khz
>
> KAT3 antenna tuner
>
> KIO3B USB control & sound card
>
> KPA3 built in 100 watt amplifier
>
> KXV3B I/O interface
>
> Price: $2,200.00
>
>
> (1)*Elecraft P3 Pan Adaptor *with all cables and manual
>
> Price: $400.00 


From aa4lr at arrl.net  Sat Apr 24 21:56:10 2021
From: aa4lr at arrl.net (Bill Coleman)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 21:56:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Firesign Theater
In-Reply-To: <CABkb7bghkJaRe1gJpW+32EYCKY65gyqbxyVu+1w45YeND_3=Rg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGJtcTfWDMDV-P04YWg1-R7HtyzZ9dh3hjkBtAc6dd3-ryqigw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1C14611C-3D22-4490-8737-FAAB8C95B540@voodoolab.com>
	<28b6ebf5-cf88-5027-4c4c-9b5035be9635@nk7z.net>
	<CABkb7bghkJaRe1gJpW+32EYCKY65gyqbxyVu+1w45YeND_3=Rg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E10D3EFB-35CB-45CE-BFE7-5488406D3DDA@arrl.net>

?Hey, be broke the President!?

?

?Would Mister ?ah, Clem? please report to the hospitality shelter?"

> On Apr 22, 2021, at 6:03 PM, Morgan Bailey <mbaileycrna at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> We are all bozos on this buss. LOL...The first time I ever heard
> Quadrafonic stereo on a record.
> 
> 73, Morgan NJ8M
> BS + MS + $2.98 = COFFEE
> Real Life Experience = Priceless, says the man who set his back yard on
> fire with a breadboard tuner loading a 160 meter inverted L with 1000
> watts. LOL
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 1:41 PM Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
> 
>> Do you live in an award winning communications trailer?  Can you jump
>> the hole to the center of the Earth?  Is your first name Nick?  Do you
>> know the Lonesome Beet?  If so, then you might be a Bozo...
>> 
>> 73, and thanks,
>> Dave (NK7Z)
>> https://www.nk7z.net
>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>> 
>> On 4/22/21 8:47 AM, Josh Fiden wrote:
>>> I?m not the only Firesign Theater fan!
>>> 
>>> Can?t wait to have some quality time hearing receive audio in the cans
>> (not just a hamfest).
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> Josh W6XU
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 22, 2021, at 6:49 AM, Henry Pollock - K4TMC <kilo4tmc at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?See Subject Line...Happy Reading!
>>> 
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Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL        Mail: aa4lr at arrl.net
Web: http://boringhamradiopart.blogspot.com
Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!"
           -- Wilbur Wright, 1901


From aa4lr at arrl.net  Sat Apr 24 22:11:53 2021
From: aa4lr at arrl.net (Bill Coleman)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 22:11:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  High school drafting class, ~1975
In-Reply-To: <8E25CA35-49B9-46D8-9487-BC597E246425@elecraft.com>
References: <8E25CA35-49B9-46D8-9487-BC597E246425@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <5BB837AB-41CE-4300-BEAA-36F077086FAF@arrl.net>

?Drafting??

No, we didn?t call it that. It was ?Industrial Arts?. I remember taking in 7th grade. And a few of us took the second semester Industrial Arts rather than shop due to scheduling issues.

That was back in 1973-4. It was one of my favorite classes as well.

I still draw up schematics on grid paper with a pencil. Old fashioned in this modern day, but still fun, and just as rewarding for my simple designs.

> On Apr 24, 2021, at 1:08 AM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> OK, I've really dated myself now. 
> 
> Anyone remember "drafting"? A favorite class in high school: blueprints, mechanical drawings, schematics, straight edges, hand lettering, projections and elevations. We invented things to draw that weren't real, but looked like they should be. Did all the math by hand -- on a slide rule, if necessary. Day-dreamed about what we might one day build.
> 
> 45 years later, we're using tools we couldn't have imagined. Modeling circuits and objects with millions of parameters and vectors, realizing them in virtual space, manipulating them in real time. 
...
> 
> Here's to those moments, and to that timeless pursuit: turning abstractions into reality.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 

Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL        Mail: aa4lr at arrl.net
Web: http://boringhamradiopart.blogspot.com
Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!"
            -- Wilbur Wright, 1901


From aa4lr at arrl.net  Sat Apr 24 22:16:04 2021
From: aa4lr at arrl.net (Bill Coleman)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 22:16:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  High school drafting class, ~1975
In-Reply-To: <446876765.3335.1619247327549@wamui-jelly.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <446876765.3335.1619247327549@wamui-jelly.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <A138AA57-1A8B-439C-B982-A66A1DB2D117@arrl.net>

When I started Tech in 1979, those drafting courses were no longer required.

And, indeed, they retired the card punches for the FORTRAN courses in 1981-2. I was part of the User Assistance team in the computer center that helped all those EE 1010 students navigate their way to using the interactive terminals?.

> On Apr 24, 2021, at 2:55 AM, Mike Morrow <kk5f at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
>  In actuality those high school drafting skills prepared me completely for the year of drafting courses that was mandatory at Geogia Tech in 1970.  I'd finish a lab drafting session in less than 45 minutes while my buddies needed the full three hours.  In those pre-calculator pre-computer days the only tools that an undergrad student needed were a good slide rule (mine cost $36 in 1969, about $260 today) and a drafting set.  To use the Univac 1108 campus scientific mainframe for Fortran IV programs, we submitted hollerith cards we punched using IBM 026 and 029 card punches.

Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL        Mail: aa4lr at arrl.net
Web: http://boringhamradiopart.blogspot.com
Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!"
            -- Wilbur Wright, 1901


From kevinr at coho.net  Sat Apr 24 23:09:17 2021
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 20:09:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <cebd5228-3bf0-5468-f110-971e41189a3c@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? It was a good week.? Sunny and chilly, now wet and foggy.? On 
Wednesday I was out pruning when I saw a largish, white raptor ridge 
soaring past.? The next opening gave me more markings.? An elbow patch 
underneath the wing and little color.? It seemed familiar, accipter of 
Oregon was my first search.? I got five hits but none of them fit.? For 
some reason most photos show hawks from above.? When was the last time 
you saw a hawk from above?? I digress.? I grabbed my Hawks field guide 
and searched for regional falcons.? Still no luck.? Then I scanned the 
photos of the underside of the wings.? That got me the right markings 
but it was not a falcon, or a hawk.? It was an osprey.? Must have been 
soaring from the Tualatin River watershed north to the Columbia River.? 
Incorrect assumptions led me astray.? The pointy wings, which hinted 
accipter, were really him while he was slowing down by "crowing".? Since 
there are no rivers or lakes nearby I did not think of a water bird.

 ? A CME hit today.? The auroral oval is very much awake. However, the 
solar flux rate is down to 77.? This suggests noisy conditions with QSB, 
of course.? There are some sunspots too.? One of them is active and 
aimed at us.? You never know.


Please join us on (or near):

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 ? 7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

 ?? 73,
 ????? Kevin. KD5ONS


-


Slide rule: Post Versalog II, far, far away

Drafting set: Dietzgen, five feet away

Triangle set: Post, five feet away

Mechanical pencil: Kohinoor, eight feet away

Architectural ruler: within arm's reach

Engineering ruler: five feet away

Closest drawing board, with T-square: ten feet away

Mechanical drawing classes: 2 years in high school, 1 semester in college.

Typing class: 1 year in high school -- topped out at 65 wpm

16 years of training by a WWII Marine Corps Drill Instructor: priceless :)

I use my typing skills every day.? The construction techniques I learned 
in mechanical drawing help me draw with modern CAD tools about once a 
month.



From fscolaro at mindspring.com  Sat Apr 24 23:31:04 2021
From: fscolaro at mindspring.com (Frank Scolaro)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 23:31:04 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] Firesign Theater
Message-ID: <194063332.5543.1619321464945@wamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


Oh Nick, you're such a tool...




-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Coleman <aa4lr at arrl.net>
>Sent: Apr 24, 2021 9:56 PM
>To: Morgan Bailey <mbaileycrna at gmail.com>
>Cc: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Firesign Theater
>
>?Hey, be broke the President!?
>
>?
>
>?Would Mister ?ah, Clem? please report to the hospitality shelter?"
>
>> On Apr 22, 2021, at 6:03 PM, Morgan Bailey <mbaileycrna at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> We are all bozos on this buss. LOL...The first time I ever heard
>> Quadrafonic stereo on a record.
>> 
>> 73, Morgan NJ8M
>> BS + MS + $2.98 = COFFEE
>> Real Life Experience = Priceless, says the man who set his back yard on
>> fire with a breadboard tuner loading a 160 meter inverted L with 1000
>> watts. LOL
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 1:41 PM Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Do you live in an award winning communications trailer?  Can you jump
>>> the hole to the center of the Earth?  Is your first name Nick?  Do you
>>> know the Lonesome Beet?  If so, then you might be a Bozo...
>>> 
>>> 73, and thanks,
>>> Dave (NK7Z)
>>> https://www.nk7z.net
>>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>>> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
>>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>>> 
>>> On 4/22/21 8:47 AM, Josh Fiden wrote:
>>>> I?m not the only Firesign Theater fan!
>>>> 
>>>> Can?t wait to have some quality time hearing receive audio in the cans
>>> (not just a hamfest).
>>>> 
>>>> 73
>>>> Josh W6XU
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 22, 2021, at 6:49 AM, Henry Pollock - K4TMC <kilo4tmc at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?See Subject Line...Happy Reading!
>>>> 
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>           -- Wilbur Wright, 1901
>
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From djwilcox01 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 25 06:23:30 2021
From: djwilcox01 at yahoo.com (David Wilcox)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 06:23:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class
In-Reply-To: <CAKynJKksefpXJ6CvO3C_O=vk_EPS4vjB3-2ATg3xfJdXAeCk8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKynJKksefpXJ6CvO3C_O=vk_EPS4vjB3-2ATg3xfJdXAeCk8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AC4DCCF7-F812-4D9D-B439-AB9A3EB80CD8@yahoo.com>

Why is it that these memories start coming back as we age? My two other high school nerd buddies correspond with email and each time they bring back very clear memories of our radio exploits. I just found my QSL card from my teens and also the stamped certificate from my Advanced License test I took in 1983 at Dayton.  Too bad we had to send back our original license back then. One friend sent back a photo copy (not cheap back then) of each license when he upgraded and so still has all his original certificates.  What treasure.

Dave K8WPE

David J. Wilcox?s iPad

> On Apr 24, 2021, at 8:32 AM, Dave Sublette <k4to.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?My relationship with drafting class goes back to before I was born.   My
> Dad, born in 1918, took drafting class in 1936. After he died, I found a
> pen and ink drawing of his from that class. It was a schematic of two
> different crystal sets.  As a teen, Dad was the neighborhood radio
> technician. He strung wire antennas and repaired headphones for folks.
> 
> I had that schematic framed and built one of the sets.  I entered it in the
> antiques section of the county fair(with a note that the radio was not the
> antique).  I won a Blue Ribbon and was considered for the grand champion
> ribbon.  I have the drawing and the set on my mantle.
> 
> At almost 80 years of age, my memories are increasing in value.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Dave, K4TO
> 
>> On Sat, Apr 24, 2021, 4:00 AM Joe K2UF <joe at k2uf.com> wrote:
>> 
>> In 1955 we were the cool guys with a slide rule in a leather case hanging
>> from your belt and india ink stains on your hands.
>> 
>> 73  Joe K2UF
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
>> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 1:09 AM
>> To: Elecraft Reflector
>> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975
>> 
>> OK, I've really dated myself now.
>> 
>> Anyone remember "drafting"? A favorite class in high school: blueprints,
>> mechanical drawings, schematics, straight edges, hand lettering,
>> projections
>> and elevations. We invented things to draw that weren't real, but looked
>> like they should be. Did all the math by hand -- on a slide rule, if
>> necessary. Day-dreamed about what we might one day build.
>> 
>> 45 years later, we're using tools we couldn't have imagined. Modeling
>> circuits and objects with millions of parameters and vectors, realizing
>> them
>> in virtual space, manipulating them in real time. Testing finished products
>> before they're even assembled.
>> 
>> The transformation is mind boggling. Yet the best part now, as it was then,
>> is the occasional burst of creative energy that propels an idea forward.
>> The
>> feeling of pieces falling into place. Or forcing them into place out of
>> sheer necessity.
>> 
>> Most of the time, we think of our new tools and techniques as advances in
>> the state of the art. Things we can't live without. But those same defining
>> moments happened just as often in simpler times.
>> 
>> Case in point -- my first real project, a rendition of W7ZOI's
>> Micro-mountaineer. Carefully documenting it took several sheets of
>> 4-squares-per-inch grid paper, which may still be in my cellar, beneath a
>> lifetime of such drawings. With the schematic, I took a lot of pride in
>> making the circuits look well-organized, as if that would somehow improve
>> my
>> odds. On the PC board, I drew large traces and pads with the etch-resist
>> pen, as if that would somehow appease the electrons.
>> 
>> I etched the PCB, soldered two dozen parts, and connected a 12 V lantern
>> battery. Thanks to my paranoia about what would happen if I did it wrong,
>> I'd taken my time and done it right.
>> 
>> I was rewarded with a hiss of band noise and a few CW signals on 40 meters.
>> 
>> Here's to those moments, and to that timeless pursuit: turning abstractions
>> into reality.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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>> delivered to joe at k2uf.com
>> 
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From ruler55 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 07:43:00 2021
From: ruler55 at gmail.com (Robie Elms)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 06:43:00 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 For Sale
Message-ID: <CAAfqLSDUPmsJ6JU5RThxbVRFpGCv0CXyOToVKZuPhV1=JkEFQw@mail.gmail.com>

Here's the info on the K2

I built it in 2007, Serial No 61XX.  It is the 15 w version and includes
the following:


   - KSB2 SSB Adapter
   <https://elecraftcom.myshopify.com/products/ksb2-ssb-option>
   - KNB2 High Performance Noise Blanker
   <https://elecraftcom.myshopify.com/products/knb2_noise-blanker>
   - K160M 160M and 2nd RX Port
   <https://elecraftcom.myshopify.com/products/k160rx_160m-option>
   - KIO2 RS-232 Interface and Aux I/0
   <https://elecraft.com/products/ki02-rs-232-serial-interface>
   - KAT2 Automatic Antenna Tuner
   <https://elecraftcom.myshopify.com/products/kat2_20w-internal-atu>
   - KBT2 Battery
   <https://elecraftcom.myshopify.com/products/kbt2_internal-battery-kit>

I have used it extensively for several years, but it is in good condition.
The K2's battery is a SLA unit and my battery became exhausted several
years ago so it is not included.  A new battery can be purchased from
Elecraft or other sources and installed.  I don't recommend replacing it as
a LiFePO is a much better choice today.

The K2 is wired for an Icom microphone.

I purchased a KX3 about 3 yrs ago and since then the K2 has not seen much
use.

I'm asking $850 for the package including all manuals, documentation &
tools.

Payment Via PayPal

Please contact me @ ruler55 at gmail.com if interested.

Robie - AJ4F

From k4to.dave at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 08:45:49 2021
From: k4to.dave at gmail.com (Dave Sublette)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 08:45:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975
In-Reply-To: <CAKynJKksefpXJ6CvO3C_O=vk_EPS4vjB3-2ATg3xfJdXAeCk8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8E25CA35-49B9-46D8-9487-BC597E246425@elecraft.com>
	<20210424080033.4E2B6149AED8@mail.qsl.net>
	<CAKynJKksefpXJ6CvO3C_O=vk_EPS4vjB3-2ATg3xfJdXAeCk8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKynJK=zUTheZSkxod3pOXq+a2AbS7kmErqJSoFM3oKiyWX30A@mail.gmail.com>

To clarify, my Dad was not a ham.  But he did teach me and the rest of the
scouts the code.  He was my first scoutmaster.  When I joined the Navy at
age 19, he got interested and got his novice ticket as a surprise.  I was
at K6NCG, going to ET'A' school on Treasure Island.  He called me on the
phone, which was a big deal long distance from Indiana to California in
1962.  We met on the 40M Novice band and I was his first QSO.  He refused
to work anyone else until he worked me.  When he died in 1999,  I found the
QSL I had sent him from K6NCG, hanging on his bedroom wall. He never got
his general.

As I said before, memories are priceless.

73,

Dave, K4TO

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 8:29 AM Dave Sublette <k4to.dave at gmail.com> wrote:

> My relationship with drafting class goes back to before I was born.   My
> Dad, born in 1918, took drafting class in 1936. After he died, I found a
> pen and ink drawing of his from that class. It was a schematic of two
> different crystal sets.  As a teen, Dad was the neighborhood radio
> technician. He strung wire antennas and repaired headphones for folks.
>
> I had that schematic framed and built one of the sets.  I entered it in
> the antiques section of the county fair(with a note that the radio was not
> the antique).  I won a Blue Ribbon and was considered for the grand
> champion ribbon.  I have the drawing and the set on my mantle.
>
> At almost 80 years of age, my memories are increasing in value.
>
> 73,
>
> Dave, K4TO
>
> On Sat, Apr 24, 2021, 4:00 AM Joe K2UF <joe at k2uf.com> wrote:
>
>> In 1955 we were the cool guys with a slide rule in a leather case hanging
>> from your belt and india ink stains on your hands.
>>
>> 73  Joe K2UF
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
>> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 1:09 AM
>> To: Elecraft Reflector
>> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975
>>
>> OK, I've really dated myself now.
>>
>> Anyone remember "drafting"? A favorite class in high school: blueprints,
>> mechanical drawings, schematics, straight edges, hand lettering,
>> projections
>> and elevations. We invented things to draw that weren't real, but looked
>> like they should be. Did all the math by hand -- on a slide rule, if
>> necessary. Day-dreamed about what we might one day build.
>>
>> 45 years later, we're using tools we couldn't have imagined. Modeling
>> circuits and objects with millions of parameters and vectors, realizing
>> them
>> in virtual space, manipulating them in real time. Testing finished
>> products
>> before they're even assembled.
>>
>> The transformation is mind boggling. Yet the best part now, as it was
>> then,
>> is the occasional burst of creative energy that propels an idea forward.
>> The
>> feeling of pieces falling into place. Or forcing them into place out of
>> sheer necessity.
>>
>> Most of the time, we think of our new tools and techniques as advances in
>> the state of the art. Things we can't live without. But those same
>> defining
>> moments happened just as often in simpler times.
>>
>> Case in point -- my first real project, a rendition of W7ZOI's
>> Micro-mountaineer. Carefully documenting it took several sheets of
>> 4-squares-per-inch grid paper, which may still be in my cellar, beneath a
>> lifetime of such drawings. With the schematic, I took a lot of pride in
>> making the circuits look well-organized, as if that would somehow improve
>> my
>> odds. On the PC board, I drew large traces and pads with the etch-resist
>> pen, as if that would somehow appease the electrons.
>>
>> I etched the PCB, soldered two dozen parts, and connected a 12 V lantern
>> battery. Thanks to my paranoia about what would happen if I did it wrong,
>> I'd taken my time and done it right.
>>
>> I was rewarded with a hiss of band noise and a few CW signals on 40
>> meters.
>>
>> Here's to those moments, and to that timeless pursuit: turning
>> abstractions
>> into reality.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>> Message
>> delivered to joe at k2uf.com
>>
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>>
>

From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 09:00:35 2021
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 08:00:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Need a tuning knob for K2
Message-ID: <037CBF8A-F73A-467F-B3F3-8CE80428372B@gmail.com>

I am looking for a tuning knob for a K2 SN 5630
If I recall there were two different sizes of shafts, this would be the second (maybe current) size.

This is SN 
-73-  Frank    KG9H
kg9hfrank at gmail.com





From kwroberson at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 25 09:08:00 2021
From: kwroberson at yahoo.com (Ken Roberson)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 13:08:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] XV432
References: <765348426.242386.1619356080188.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <765348426.242386.1619356080188@mail.yahoo.com>


Hello all,

Is the XV432 stable enough for EME digi modes?

Thanks agn 73 Ken K5DNL


From edauer at aya.yale.edu  Sun Apr 25 09:27:13 2021
From: edauer at aya.yale.edu (edauer at aya.yale.edu)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 07:27:13 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class,
Message-ID: <002001d739d6$b524a060$1f6de120$@aya.yale.edu>

I never took a drafting class nor anything like it in high school, yet its
absence never hurt me professionally.  Making a straight line is not a skill
required of a lawyer.

Ted, KN1CBR


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sun Apr 25 09:32:30 2021
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 08:32:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade
Message-ID: <d6bfbe52-3698-2c93-cfa1-37f6e9b57e2b@blomand.net>

I have my headset with mike plugged into the rear PHONES and MIC, the 
headphones plugged into the front PHONES jack, and my boom mike 
connected to the MIC connector.? Plus my external speakers plugged into 
the rear SPKRS jack.??? The manual explains how to do this so all works 
as expected.??? See page 22, 55, and 64 of the manual.

73

Bob, K4TAX



On 4/24/2021 8:50 AM, NJMike wrote:

> Since I?m a new K3S owner and still learning the radio, can you also confirm
> that those speakers can be hooked up while keeping the headphones plugged
> into the rear jack?


From don at w3fpr.com  Sun Apr 25 10:27:09 2021
From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 10:27:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Need a tuning knob for K2
In-Reply-To: <037CBF8A-F73A-467F-B3F3-8CE80428372B@gmail.com>
References: <037CBF8A-F73A-467F-B3F3-8CE80428372B@gmail.com>
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Frank,

Do you have the new encoder?? I don't know which SN they were started.? 
That is the key to which knob you need.? If the knob is off, lift the 
fiber washers and check to see if there is a green tab in the hole to 
the right of the encoder shaft.? If the hole is empty, you have the new 
encoder.
Order the new knob from Elecraft - they no longer have the older knob.
With the new knob, you need 3 fiber washers stacked.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/25/2021 9:00 AM, Frank Krozel wrote:
> I am looking for a tuning knob for a K2 SN 5630
> If I recall there were two different sizes of shafts, this would be the second (maybe current) size.
>
> This is SN
> -73-  Frank    KG9H
> kg9hfrank at gmail.com
>
>
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From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 10:34:45 2021
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 09:34:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Need a tuning knob for K2
In-Reply-To: <8dca2ade-1bff-593b-54cd-7d5d7b5028da@w3fpr.com>
References: <037CBF8A-F73A-467F-B3F3-8CE80428372B@gmail.com>
	<8dca2ade-1bff-593b-54cd-7d5d7b5028da@w3fpr.com>
Message-ID: <5B65FE0C-FC97-487D-B44A-A9BDFF7C1526@gmail.com>

Thanks Don, will check today.

I also need to figure out which K2 need those small 3/8?x3/8? rubber spacers in-between the PC boards without taking the front panel off.

-73-  Frank    KG9H
kg9hfrank at gmail.com




> On Apr 25, 2021, at 9:27 AM, Don Wilhelm <don at w3fpr.com> wrote:
> 
> Frank,
> 
> Do you have the new encoder?  I don't know which SN they were started.  That is the key to which knob you need.  If the knob is off, lift the fiber washers and check to see if there is a green tab in the hole to the right of the encoder shaft.  If the hole is empty, you have the new encoder.
> Order the new knob from Elecraft - they no longer have the older knob.
> With the new knob, you need 3 fiber washers stacked.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 4/25/2021 9:00 AM, Frank Krozel wrote:
>> I am looking for a tuning knob for a K2 SN 5630
>> If I recall there were two different sizes of shafts, this would be the second (maybe current) size.
>> 
>> This is SN
>> -73-  Frank    KG9H
>> kg9hfrank at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From don at w3fpr.com  Sun Apr 25 10:53:44 2021
From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 10:53:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Need a tuning knob for K2
In-Reply-To: <5B65FE0C-FC97-487D-B44A-A9BDFF7C1526@gmail.com>
References: <037CBF8A-F73A-467F-B3F3-8CE80428372B@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <613a136f-59a1-6396-4cde-889c3259280c@w3fpr.com>

Frank,

Just take the top cover off and look between the upper 2D connectors and 
the Front Panel board.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 4/25/2021 10:34 AM, Frank Krozel wrote:
> Thanks Don, will check today.
>
> I also need to figure out which K2 need those small 3/8?x3/8? rubber 
> spacers in-between the PC boards without taking the front panel off.
>
> -73- ?Frank ? ?KG9H
> kg9hfrank at gmail.com <mailto:kg9hfrank at gmail.com>
>
>
>
>


From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 10:54:45 2021
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 09:54:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Need a tuning knob for K2
In-Reply-To: <613a136f-59a1-6396-4cde-889c3259280c@w3fpr.com>
References: <037CBF8A-F73A-467F-B3F3-8CE80428372B@gmail.com>
	<8dca2ade-1bff-593b-54cd-7d5d7b5028da@w3fpr.com>
	<5B65FE0C-FC97-487D-B44A-A9BDFF7C1526@gmail.com>
	<613a136f-59a1-6396-4cde-889c3259280c@w3fpr.com>
Message-ID: <D04E6401-FD29-4C1B-ADCF-A020E5397C35@gmail.com>

As usual, Don you have the correct answers, thanks again.

Hope you are doing well!

-73-  Frank    KG9H
kg9hfrank at gmail.com




> On Apr 25, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Don Wilhelm <don at w3fpr.com> wrote:
> 
> Frank,
> 
> Just take the top cover off and look between the upper 2D connectors and the Front Panel board.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> 
> On 4/25/2021 10:34 AM, Frank Krozel wrote:
>> Thanks Don, will check today.
>> 
>> I also need to figure out which K2 need those small 3/8?x3/8? rubber spacers in-between the PC boards without taking the front panel off.
>> 
>> -73-  Frank    KG9H
>> kg9hfrank at gmail.com <mailto:kg9hfrank at gmail.com>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 


From hbjr at optilink.us  Sun Apr 25 11:13:48 2021
From: hbjr at optilink.us (Hank)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 11:13:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class,
In-Reply-To: <002001d739d6$b524a060$1f6de120$@aya.yale.edu>
References: <002001d739d6$b524a060$1f6de120$@aya.yale.edu>
Message-ID: <9E297238-2749-4ADA-BE5E-A4F82CE63462@optilink.us>

There?s a joke there somewhere!!

Hank
K4HYJ

> On Apr 25, 2021, at 9:28 AM, edauer at aya.yale.edu wrote:
> 
> ?I never took a drafting class nor anything like it in high school, yet its
> absence never hurt me professionally.  Making a straight line is not a skill
> required of a lawyer.
> 
> Ted, KN1CBR
> 
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From louandzip at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 25 11:34:27 2021
From: louandzip at yahoo.com (Louandzip)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 15:34:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class,
In-Reply-To: <002001d739d6$b524a060$1f6de120$@aya.yale.edu>
References: <002001d739d6$b524a060$1f6de120$@aya.yale.edu>
Message-ID: <948521215.186352.1619364867495@mail.yahoo.com>

 Maybe had you known drafting, you wouldn't have had to resort to becoming a lawyer.? HI HI

Lou W7HV

    On Sunday, April 25, 2021, 7:28:59 AM MDT, edauer at aya.yale.edu <edauer at aya.yale.edu> wrote:  
 
 I never took a drafting class nor anything like it in high school, yet its
absence never hurt me professionally.? Making a straight line is not a skill
required of a lawyer.

Ted, KN1CBR

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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 12:00:48 2021
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 12:00:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class,
In-Reply-To: <948521215.186352.1619364867495@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <948521215.186352.1619364867495@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0A94CC4C-2B8C-4BAC-AB21-1C2355AF8A16@gmail.com>

I guess I missed out. Never had a formal course. No drafting in high school, and no drafting during undergraduate and graduate EE at Rice in the 60s. A straight edge and logic element templates in various sizes, were all the drafting skills needed. Board layout and a few other things were picked up as exercises for the the student. 

Grant NQ5T

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 25, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Louandzip via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ? Maybe had you known drafting, you wouldn't have had to resort to becoming a lawyer.  HI HI
> 
> Lou W7HV
> 
>     

From n6tv at arrl.net  Sun Apr 25 14:09:08 2021
From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 11:09:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KPA500 question
In-Reply-To: <20210424011759.5C7CD149AE9B@mail.qsl.net>
References: <20210424011759.5C7CD149AE9B@mail.qsl.net>
Message-ID: <CAOmNKGJu7=f9Oj=9Q5CitDmfpuSuc1SK1oEDE-89=gQ3DRhRew@mail.gmail.com>

Does your automatic antenna switch use the Unified Microsystems BCD-10 or
BCD-14 band decoders, or is your design similar to the 4O3A Antenna Genius?

These products all use opto-Isolators on the four Band Data lines in the
AUX cable.  Wiring this type of decoder in parallel with the
K3/KAT500/KPA500 AUX cable via a 15-pin Y-cable or similar *will usually
cause automatic band changes on the KPA500 to stop working*, until you
disconnect the antenna switch's band decoder, or send some RF so that the
KPA500 frequency counter takes over.  Not cool.

Opto-isolators draw too much current from the K3 ACC pins, leaving too
little voltage for the KPA500's band decoder to track properly.  This is no
problem for the KPA1500, only the KPA500, with or without the KAT500.

The solution I discovered was to connect four 4.7K pull-up resistors to 12V
to each band data pin in the K3 ACC cable, assuming the band decoder in the
antenna switch can handle 12V instead of 5V (most can).  The KAT500 and
KPA500 will have no problem with 12V on the band data lines.

The Y-BOX v3.0 (not pictured on my website because I have not had time to
update it) includes these four pull-up resistors.  They can conveniently be
wired internally to the band data pins, and band switching should work
again when all the devices are connected in parallel to the K3 ACC via the
Y-BOX.  This assumes your KPA500 "RADIO" menu is set to "K3" or to "BCD" so
it tracks properly when the automatic antenna switch is disconnected from
the ACC/AUX cables.

FYI, you can still tap the BAND buttons on the KPA500 to change bands on
the K3, because that uses the AUXBUS line (ACC Pin 2), not the BAND DATA
lines.  Many folks may have never discovered this cool feature of the
KPA500 and KPA1500.

73,
Bob, N6TV
https://bit.ly/Y-BOX


On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 6:18 PM Joe K2UF <joe at k2uf.com> wrote:

> I have my K3-KAT500-KPA500 working great.  The amp is off to the left side
> and I can't see the display easily.  while working on building an auto
> antenna switch  I noticed  that the band display on the amp does not synch
> with the K3.  It seems to be random.  If I hit  one dit on the key  the amp
> will synch the band with the K3.  I am not sure if this has been working
> like this right along and just did not  notice.
>
> Any ideas guys.
>
> 73 Joe K2UF
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From k5atg.aaron at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 14:24:15 2021
From: k5atg.aaron at gmail.com (Aaron K5ATG)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 13:24:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] MC-43S Mic for K2
Message-ID: <536B5F9F-BF18-4163-A8A8-7F3038A785A3@hxcore.ol>


From julia at juliatuttle.net  Sun Apr 25 14:29:47 2021
From: julia at juliatuttle.net (Julia Tuttle)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 14:29:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] MC-43S Mic for K2
In-Reply-To: <536B5F9F-BF18-4163-A8A8-7F3038A785A3@hxcore.ol>
References: <536B5F9F-BF18-4163-A8A8-7F3038A785A3@hxcore.ol>
Message-ID: <CAEVEBrMynEBnuGinvgv091iUgaPyYBjdb82ZfcGt7auWtJP8Rg@mail.gmail.com>

What about it?

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021, 14:25 Aaron K5ATG <k5atg.aaron at gmail.com> wrote:

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From tvtommy at mac.com  Sun Apr 25 14:40:46 2021
From: tvtommy at mac.com (Tom Ewing)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 13:40:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FS - unbuilt KAF2
Message-ID: <E9C6E497-D3EA-46A4-A0AC-E64F3889C85C@mac.com>


Bought it, didn?t need it. 

$110 shipped CONUS or trade for a new Fluke 107 with matching case. 

Tommy
W0XXX

From chrisrut7 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 15:03:27 2021
From: chrisrut7 at gmail.com (Chris R. NW6V)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 12:03:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975
In-Reply-To: <mailman.8485.1619346225.3572.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.8485.1619346225.3572.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <CAG97cXvkvD=5MOE8j0mk75biafiGZqQZxR1qGyOnmhoR=R_MGA@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com
> <elecraft%40mailman.qth.net?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BElecraft%5D%20OT%3A%20%20High%20school%20drafting%20class%2C%20%7E1975&In-Reply-To=%3C8E25CA35-49B9-46D8-9487-BC597E246425%40elecraft.com%3E>
>  wrote:"Here's to those moments, and to that timeless pursuit: turning
> abstractions into reality."


Indeed. There is nothing so sublime as the moment of clarity when the last
pieces of a jigsaw puzzle align, and the vision in your mind's eye
crystalizes into reality.

Thanks for sharing your visions with us :-)

73 Chris NW6V

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Apr 25 15:58:29 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 12:58:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class,
In-Reply-To: <002001d739d6$b524a060$1f6de120$@aya.yale.edu>
References: <002001d739d6$b524a060$1f6de120$@aya.yale.edu>
Message-ID: <94a3ae5f-871f-921a-63dc-de0cba551a55@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 4/25/2021 6:27 AM, edauer at aya.yale.edu wrote:
> I never took a drafting class nor anything like it in high school, yet its
> absence never hurt me professionally.  Making a straight line is not a skill
> required of a lawyer.

But writing legibly is, and that was a VERY important contribution of my 
technical drawing classes. My script has become pretty flaky with age, 
but my printing is still pretty legible.

73, Jim K9YC

From k5atg.aaron at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 16:05:30 2021
From: k5atg.aaron at gmail.com (Aaron K5ATG)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 15:05:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Kenwood MC - 43S mic for K2
Message-ID: <CADENs28dtgM43y6Tg-G4uiubBPPuHyaoHWFjeN3CP4xd0XE=+w@mail.gmail.com>

I have been using a Kenwood MC-43S microphone for my K2 and the PTT button
broke. Since the mic is still in really good condition I contacted Kenwood
about a replacement PTT button and they said that I have to replace the
entire microphone. So I was just asking the Elecraft community if anyone
has a broken MC-43S mic for parts?

Aaron K5ATG

From haljr.massey at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 16:07:37 2021
From: haljr.massey at gmail.com (Hal Massey)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 14:07:37 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class,
In-Reply-To: <9E297238-2749-4ADA-BE5E-A4F82CE63462@optilink.us>
References: <002001d739d6$b524a060$1f6de120$@aya.yale.edu>
	<9E297238-2749-4ADA-BE5E-A4F82CE63462@optilink.us>
Message-ID: <AA6BD2CD-108F-4D40-B308-719A5F32E13F@gmail.com>

This turned out to be a popular subject line. Here goes...

I was too busy with AP classes to take drafting in high school. But I had to take it when I went off to the College of Engineering to be an Electrical Engineer. And I am glad I did take it. Of course, now it is all CAD systems?

Regards
-Hal WB6NNR

> On Apr 25, 2021, at 9:13 AM, Hank via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> There?s a joke there somewhere!!
> 
> Hank
> K4HYJ
> 
>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 9:28 AM, edauer at aya.yale.edu wrote:
>> 
>> ?I never took a drafting class nor anything like it in high school, yet its
>> absence never hurt me professionally.  Making a straight line is not a skill
>> required of a lawyer.
>> 
>> Ted, KN1CBR
>> 
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From a.durbin at msn.com  Sun Apr 25 16:08:55 2021
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 20:08:55 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KPA500 question
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB29681500BF47478A6896806C8C439@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"FYI, you can still tap the BAND buttons on the KPA500 to change bands on the K3, because that uses the AUXBUS line (ACC Pin 2), not the BAND DATA lines.  Many folks may have never discovered this cool feature of the KPA500 and KPA1500."

I had to write code to put the KPA500 back on the correct band if one of these band buttons was accidentally pressed.  I wish there was a way to disable them completely.  One person's cool feature is another's PITA.

Andy, k3wyc

From lmecseri at cfl.rr.com  Sun Apr 25 16:51:16 2021
From: lmecseri at cfl.rr.com (Lou)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 16:51:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KPA500 question
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB29681500BF47478A6896806C8C439@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29681500BF47478A6896806C8C439@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <8d80f850-d7c4-c7a8-3c3d-6ffea68a527d@cfl.rr.com>

That also controls the KAT500 when connected.

73, Lou KE1F

On 4/25/2021 4:08 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:
> "FYI, you can still tap the BAND buttons on the KPA500 to change bands on the K3, because that uses the AUXBUS line (ACC Pin 2), not the BAND DATA lines.  Many folks may have never discovered this cool feature of the KPA500 and KPA1500."
>
> I had to write code to put the KPA500 back on the correct band if one of these band buttons was accidentally pressed.  I wish there was a way to disable them completely.  One person's cool feature is another's PITA.
>
> Andy, k3wyc
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From n6zw at comcast.net  Sun Apr 25 17:20:12 2021
From: n6zw at comcast.net (MIKE ZANE)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 14:20:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class,
In-Reply-To: <9E297238-2749-4ADA-BE5E-A4F82CE63462@optilink.us>
References: <002001d739d6$b524a060$1f6de120$@aya.yale.edu>
	<9E297238-2749-4ADA-BE5E-A4F82CE63462@optilink.us>
Message-ID: <90124312.387719.1619385612854@connect.xfinity.com>

You bet there is! from retired LE,  Mike
> On 04/25/2021 8:13 AM Hank via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
>  
> There?s a joke there somewhere!!
> 
> Hank
> K4HYJ
> 
> > On Apr 25, 2021, at 9:28 AM, edauer at aya.yale.edu wrote:
> > 
> > ?I never took a drafting class nor anything like it in high school, yet its
> > absence never hurt me professionally.  Making a straight line is not a skill
> > required of a lawyer.
> > 
> > Ted, KN1CBR
> > 
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From infomet at embarqmail.com  Sun Apr 25 17:31:23 2021
From: infomet at embarqmail.com (Wilson Lamb)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:31:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Drafting
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"I never took a drafting class nor anything like it in high school, yet its
absence never hurt me professionally. Making a straight line is not a skill
required of a lawyer." 
? 
This cries out for several clever and potentially offensive responses, but it's a new day and I'm not going to post them. 
Besides, the poster may be a nice guy, making them unfair. 
Most everyone will know them anyway, so I'll just say? 
73, 
WL 
?   

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Today's Topics: 

1. K2 For Sale (Robie Elms) 
2. Re: OT: High school drafting class, ~1975 (Dave Sublette) 
3. Need a tuning knob for K2 (Frank Krozel) 
4. XV432 (Ken Roberson) 
5. OT: High school drafting class, (edauer at aya.yale.edu) 
6. Speaker upgrade (Bob McGraw) 
7. Re: Need a tuning knob for K2 (Don Wilhelm) 
8. Re: Need a tuning knob for K2 (Frank Krozel) 
9. Re: Need a tuning knob for K2 (Don Wilhelm) 
10. Re: Need a tuning knob for K2 (Frank Krozel) 
11. Re: OT: High school drafting class, (Hank) 
12. Re: OT: High school drafting class, (Louandzip) 
13. Re: OT: High school drafting class, (Grant Youngman) 
14. Re: K3/KPA500 question (Bob Wilson, N6TV) 
15. MC-43S Mic for K2 (Aaron K5ATG) 
16. Re: MC-43S Mic for K2 (Julia Tuttle) 
17. FS - unbuilt KAF2 (Tom Ewing) 
18. Re: OT: High school drafting class, ~1975 (Chris R. NW6V) 
19. Re: OT: High school drafting class, (Jim Brown) 
20. Kenwood MC - 43S mic for K2 (Aaron K5ATG) 
21. Re: OT: High school drafting class, (Hal Massey) 
22. K3/KPA500 question (Andy Durbin) 
23. Re: K3/KPA500 question (Lou) 
24. Re: OT: High school drafting class, (MIKE ZANE) 


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Message: 1 
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 06:43:00 -0500 
From: Robie Elms <ruler55 at gmail.com> 
To: Elecraft Mail List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 For Sale 
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Here's the info on the K2 

I built it in 2007, Serial No 61XX. It is the 15 w version and includes 
the following: 


- KSB2 SSB Adapter 
<https://elecraftcom.myshopify.com/products/ksb2-ssb-option> 
- KNB2 High Performance Noise Blanker 
<https://elecraftcom.myshopify.com/products/knb2_noise-blanker> 
- K160M 160M and 2nd RX Port 
<https://elecraftcom.myshopify.com/products/k160rx_160m-option> 
- KIO2 RS-232 Interface and Aux I/0 
<https://elecraft.com/products/ki02-rs-232-serial-interface> 
- KAT2 Automatic Antenna Tuner 
<https://elecraftcom.myshopify.com/products/kat2_20w-internal-atu> 
- KBT2 Battery 
<https://elecraftcom.myshopify.com/products/kbt2_internal-battery-kit> 

I have used it extensively for several years, but it is in good condition. 
The K2's battery is a SLA unit and my battery became exhausted several 
years ago so it is not included. A new battery can be purchased from 
Elecraft or other sources and installed. I don't recommend replacing it as 
a LiFePO is a much better choice today. 

The K2 is wired for an Icom microphone. 

I purchased a KX3 about 3 yrs ago and since then the K2 has not seen much 
use. 

I'm asking $850 for the package including all manuals, documentation & 
tools. 

Payment Via PayPal 

Please contact me @ ruler55 at gmail.com if interested. 

Robie - AJ4F 


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Message: 2 
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 08:45:49 -0400 
From: Dave Sublette <k4to.dave at gmail.com> 
To: Elecraft Discussion List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975 
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To clarify, my Dad was not a ham. But he did teach me and the rest of the 
scouts the code. He was my first scoutmaster. When I joined the Navy at 
age 19, he got interested and got his novice ticket as a surprise. I was 
at K6NCG, going to ET'A' school on Treasure Island. He called me on the 
phone, which was a big deal long distance from Indiana to California in 
1962. We met on the 40M Novice band and I was his first QSO. He refused 
to work anyone else until he worked me. When he died in 1999, I found the 
QSL I had sent him from K6NCG, hanging on his bedroom wall. He never got 
his general. 

As I said before, memories are priceless. 

73, 

Dave, K4TO 

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 8:29 AM Dave Sublette <k4to.dave at gmail.com> wrote: 

> My relationship with drafting class goes back to before I was born. My 
> Dad, born in 1918, took drafting class in 1936. After he died, I found a 
> pen and ink drawing of his from that class. It was a schematic of two 
> different crystal sets. As a teen, Dad was the neighborhood radio 
> technician. He strung wire antennas and repaired headphones for folks. 
> 
> I had that schematic framed and built one of the sets. I entered it in 
> the antiques section of the county fair(with a note that the radio was not 
> the antique). I won a Blue Ribbon and was considered for the grand 
> champion ribbon. I have the drawing and the set on my mantle. 
> 
> At almost 80 years of age, my memories are increasing in value. 
> 
> 73, 
> 
> Dave, K4TO 
> 
> On Sat, Apr 24, 2021, 4:00 AM Joe K2UF <joe at k2uf.com> wrote: 
> 
>> In 1955 we were the cool guys with a slide rule in a leather case hanging 
>> from your belt and india ink stains on your hands. 
>> 
>> 73 Joe K2UF 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
>> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick 
>> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 1:09 AM 
>> To: Elecraft Reflector 
>> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975 
>> 
>> OK, I've really dated myself now. 
>> 
>> Anyone remember "drafting"? A favorite class in high school: blueprints, 
>> mechanical drawings, schematics, straight edges, hand lettering, 
>> projections 
>> and elevations. We invented things to draw that weren't real, but looked 
>> like they should be. Did all the math by hand -- on a slide rule, if 
>> necessary. Day-dreamed about what we might one day build. 
>> 
>> 45 years later, we're using tools we couldn't have imagined. Modeling 
>> circuits and objects with millions of parameters and vectors, realizing 
>> them 
>> in virtual space, manipulating them in real time. Testing finished 
>> products 
>> before they're even assembled. 
>> 
>> The transformation is mind boggling. Yet the best part now, as it was 
>> then, 
>> is the occasional burst of creative energy that propels an idea forward. 
>> The 
>> feeling of pieces falling into place. Or forcing them into place out of 
>> sheer necessity. 
>> 
>> Most of the time, we think of our new tools and techniques as advances in 
>> the state of the art. Things we can't live without. But those same 
>> defining 
>> moments happened just as often in simpler times. 
>> 
>> Case in point -- my first real project, a rendition of W7ZOI's 
>> Micro-mountaineer. Carefully documenting it took several sheets of 
>> 4-squares-per-inch grid paper, which may still be in my cellar, beneath a 
>> lifetime of such drawings. With the schematic, I took a lot of pride in 
>> making the circuits look well-organized, as if that would somehow improve 
>> my 
>> odds. On the PC board, I drew large traces and pads with the etch-resist 
>> pen, as if that would somehow appease the electrons. 
>> 
>> I etched the PCB, soldered two dozen parts, and connected a 12 V lantern 
>> battery. Thanks to my paranoia about what would happen if I did it wrong, 
>> I'd taken my time and done it right. 
>> 
>> I was rewarded with a hiss of band noise and a few CW signals on 40 
>> meters. 
>> 
>> Here's to those moments, and to that timeless pursuit: turning 
>> abstractions 
>> into reality. 
>> 
>> 73, 
>> Wayne 
>> N6KR 
>> 
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Message: 3 
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 08:00:35 -0500 
From: Frank Krozel <kg9hfrank at gmail.com> 
To: elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Subject: [Elecraft] Need a tuning knob for K2 
Message-ID: <037CBF8A-F73A-467F-B3F3-8CE80428372B at gmail.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 

I am looking for a tuning knob for a K2 SN 5630 
If I recall there were two different sizes of shafts, this would be the second (maybe current) size. 

This is SN 
-73- Frank KG9H 
kg9hfrank at gmail.com 






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Message: 4 
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 13:08:00 +0000 (UTC) 
From: Ken Roberson <kwroberson at yahoo.com> 
To: Elecraft Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Subject: [Elecraft] XV432 
Message-ID: <765348426.242386.1619356080188 at mail.yahoo.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 


Hello all, 

Is the XV432 stable enough for EME digi modes? 

Thanks agn 73 Ken K5DNL 



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Message: 5 
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 07:27:13 -0600 
From: <edauer at aya.yale.edu> 
To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, 
Message-ID: <002001d739d6$b524a060$1f6de120$@aya.yale.edu> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 

I never took a drafting class nor anything like it in high school, yet its 
absence never hurt me professionally. Making a straight line is not a skill 
required of a lawyer. 

Ted, KN1CBR 



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Message: 6 
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 08:32:30 -0500 
From: Bob McGraw <rmcgraw at blomand.net> 
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade 
Message-ID: <d6bfbe52-3698-2c93-cfa1-37f6e9b57e2b at blomand.net> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed 

I have my headset with mike plugged into the rear PHONES and MIC, the 
headphones plugged into the front PHONES jack, and my boom mike 
connected to the MIC connector.? Plus my external speakers plugged into 
the rear SPKRS jack.??? The manual explains how to do this so all works 
as expected.??? See page 22, 55, and 64 of the manual. 

73 

Bob, K4TAX 



On 4/24/2021 8:50 AM, NJMike wrote: 

> Since I?m a new K3S owner and still learning the radio, can you also confirm 
> that those speakers can be hooked up while keeping the headphones plugged 
> into the rear jack? 



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Message: 7 
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 10:27:09 -0400 
From: Don Wilhelm <don at w3fpr.com> 
To: Frank Krozel <kg9hfrank at gmail.com>, elecraft 
<elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Need a tuning knob for K2 
Message-ID: <8dca2ade-1bff-593b-54cd-7d5d7b5028da at w3fpr.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed 

Frank, 

Do you have the new encoder?? I don't know which SN they were started.? 
That is the key to which knob you need.? If the knob is off, lift the 
fiber washers and check to see if there is a green tab in the hole to 
the right of the encoder shaft.? If the hole is empty, you have the new 
encoder. 
Order the new knob from Elecraft - they no longer have the older knob. 
With the new knob, you need 3 fiber washers stacked. 

73, 
Don W3FPR 

On 4/25/2021 9:00 AM, Frank Krozel wrote: 
> I am looking for a tuning knob for a K2 SN 5630 
> If I recall there were two different sizes of shafts, this would be the second (maybe current) size. 
> 
> This is SN 
> -73- Frank KG9H 
> kg9hfrank at gmail.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 8 
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 09:34:45 -0500 
From: Frank Krozel <kg9hfrank at gmail.com> 
To: don at w3fpr.com 
Cc: elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Need a tuning knob for K2 
Message-ID: <5B65FE0C-FC97-487D-B44A-A9BDFF7C1526 at gmail.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 

Thanks Don, will check today. 

I also need to figure out which K2 need those small 3/8?x3/8? rubber spacers in-between the PC boards without taking the front panel off. 

-73- Frank KG9H 
kg9hfrank at gmail.com 




> On Apr 25, 2021, at 9:27 AM, Don Wilhelm <don at w3fpr.com> wrote: 
> 
> Frank, 
> 
> Do you have the new encoder? I don't know which SN they were started. That is the key to which knob you need. If the knob is off, lift the fiber washers and check to see if there is a green tab in the hole to the right of the encoder shaft. If the hole is empty, you have the new encoder. 
> Order the new knob from Elecraft - they no longer have the older knob. 
> With the new knob, you need 3 fiber washers stacked. 
> 
> 73, 
> Don W3FPR 
> 
> On 4/25/2021 9:00 AM, Frank Krozel wrote: 
>> I am looking for a tuning knob for a K2 SN 5630 
>> If I recall there were two different sizes of shafts, this would be the second (maybe current) size. 
>> 
>> This is SN 
>> -73- Frank KG9H 
>> kg9hfrank at gmail.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Message: 9 
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 10:53:44 -0400 
From: Don Wilhelm <don at w3fpr.com> 
To: Frank Krozel <kg9hfrank at gmail.com> 
Cc: elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Need a tuning knob for K2 
Message-ID: <613a136f-59a1-6396-4cde-889c3259280c at w3fpr.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed 

Frank, 

Just take the top cover off and look between the upper 2D connectors and 
the Front Panel board. 

73, 
Don W3FPR 


On 4/25/2021 10:34 AM, Frank Krozel wrote: 
> Thanks Don, will check today. 
> 
> I also need to figure out which K2 need those small 3/8?x3/8? rubber 
> spacers in-between the PC boards without taking the front panel off. 
> 
> -73- ?Frank ? ?KG9H 
> kg9hfrank at gmail.com <mailto:kg9hfrank at gmail.com> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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Message: 10 
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 09:54:45 -0500 
From: Frank Krozel <kg9hfrank at gmail.com> 
To: don at w3fpr.com 
Cc: elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Need a tuning knob for K2 
Message-ID: <D04E6401-FD29-4C1B-ADCF-A020E5397C35 at gmail.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 

As usual, Don you have the correct answers, thanks again. 

Hope you are doing well! 

-73- Frank KG9H 
kg9hfrank at gmail.com 




> On Apr 25, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Don Wilhelm <don at w3fpr.com> wrote: 
> 
> Frank, 
> 
> Just take the top cover off and look between the upper 2D connectors and the Front Panel board. 
> 
> 73, 
> Don W3FPR 
> 
> 
> On 4/25/2021 10:34 AM, Frank Krozel wrote: 
>> Thanks Don, will check today. 
>> 
>> I also need to figure out which K2 need those small 3/8?x3/8? rubber spacers in-between the PC boards without taking the front panel off. 
>> 
>> -73- Frank KG9H 
>> kg9hfrank at gmail.com <mailto:kg9hfrank at gmail.com> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 



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Message: 11 
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 11:13:48 -0400 
From: Hank <hbjr at optilink.us> 
To: edauer at aya.yale.edu 
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, 
Message-ID: <9E297238-2749-4ADA-BE5E-A4F82CE63462 at optilink.us> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 

There?s a joke there somewhere!! 

Hank 
K4HYJ 

> On Apr 25, 2021, at 9:28 AM, edauer at aya.yale.edu wrote: 
> 
> ?I never took a drafting class nor anything like it in high school, yet its 
> absence never hurt me professionally. Making a straight line is not a skill 
> required of a lawyer. 
> 
> Ted, KN1CBR 
> 
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Message: 12 
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 15:34:27 +0000 (UTC) 
From: Louandzip <louandzip at yahoo.com> 
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, 
Message-ID: <948521215.186352.1619364867495 at mail.yahoo.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 

Maybe had you known drafting, you wouldn't have had to resort to becoming a lawyer.? HI HI 

Lou W7HV 

On Sunday, April 25, 2021, 7:28:59 AM MDT, edauer at aya.yale.edu <edauer at aya.yale.edu> wrote: 

I never took a drafting class nor anything like it in high school, yet its 
absence never hurt me professionally.? Making a straight line is not a skill 
required of a lawyer. 

Ted, KN1CBR 

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Message: 13 
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 12:00:48 -0400 
From: Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com> 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, 
Message-ID: <0A94CC4C-2B8C-4BAC-AB21-1C2355AF8A16 at gmail.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 

I guess I missed out. Never had a formal course. No drafting in high school, and no drafting during undergraduate and graduate EE at Rice in the 60s. A straight edge and logic element templates in various sizes, were all the drafting skills needed. Board layout and a few other things were picked up as exercises for the the student. 

Grant NQ5T 

Sent from my iPhone 

> On Apr 25, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Louandzip via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: 
> 
> ? Maybe had you known drafting, you wouldn't have had to resort to becoming a lawyer. HI HI 
> 
> Lou W7HV 
> 
> 


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Message: 14 
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 11:09:08 -0700 
From: "Bob Wilson, N6TV" <n6tv at arrl.net> 
To: Joe K2UF <joe at k2uf.com> 
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/KPA500 question 
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Does your automatic antenna switch use the Unified Microsystems BCD-10 or 
BCD-14 band decoders, or is your design similar to the 4O3A Antenna Genius? 

These products all use opto-Isolators on the four Band Data lines in the 
AUX cable. Wiring this type of decoder in parallel with the 
K3/KAT500/KPA500 AUX cable via a 15-pin Y-cable or similar *will usually 
cause automatic band changes on the KPA500 to stop working*, until you 
disconnect the antenna switch's band decoder, or send some RF so that the 
KPA500 frequency counter takes over. Not cool. 

Opto-isolators draw too much current from the K3 ACC pins, leaving too 
little voltage for the KPA500's band decoder to track properly. This is no 
problem for the KPA1500, only the KPA500, with or without the KAT500. 

The solution I discovered was to connect four 4.7K pull-up resistors to 12V 
to each band data pin in the K3 ACC cable, assuming the band decoder in the 
antenna switch can handle 12V instead of 5V (most can). The KAT500 and 
KPA500 will have no problem with 12V on the band data lines. 

The Y-BOX v3.0 (not pictured on my website because I have not had time to 
update it) includes these four pull-up resistors. They can conveniently be 
wired internally to the band data pins, and band switching should work 
again when all the devices are connected in parallel to the K3 ACC via the 
Y-BOX. This assumes your KPA500 "RADIO" menu is set to "K3" or to "BCD" so 
it tracks properly when the automatic antenna switch is disconnected from 
the ACC/AUX cables. 

FYI, you can still tap the BAND buttons on the KPA500 to change bands on 
the K3, because that uses the AUXBUS line (ACC Pin 2), not the BAND DATA 
lines. Many folks may have never discovered this cool feature of the 
KPA500 and KPA1500. 

73, 
Bob, N6TV 
https://bit.ly/Y-BOX 


On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 6:18 PM Joe K2UF <joe at k2uf.com> wrote: 

> I have my K3-KAT500-KPA500 working great. The amp is off to the left side 
> and I can't see the display easily. while working on building an auto 
> antenna switch I noticed that the band display on the amp does not synch 
> with the K3. It seems to be random. If I hit one dit on the key the amp 
> will synch the band with the K3. I am not sure if this has been working 
> like this right along and just did not notice. 
> 
> Any ideas guys. 
> 
> 73 Joe K2UF 
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Message: 15 
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 13:24:15 -0500 
From: Aaron K5ATG <k5atg.aaron at gmail.com> 
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Subject: [Elecraft] MC-43S Mic for K2 
Message-ID: <536B5F9F-BF18-4163-A8A8-7F3038A785A3 at hxcore.ol> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 



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Message: 16 
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 14:29:47 -0400 
From: Julia Tuttle <julia at juliatuttle.net> 
To: Aaron K5ATG <k5atg.aaron at gmail.com> 
Cc: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] MC-43S Mic for K2 
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What about it? 

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021, 14:25 Aaron K5ATG <k5atg.aaron at gmail.com> wrote: 

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Message: 17 
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 13:40:46 -0500 
From: Tom Ewing <tvtommy at mac.com> 
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Subject: [Elecraft] FS - unbuilt KAF2 
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Bought it, didn?t need it. 

$110 shipped CONUS or trade for a new Fluke 107 with matching case. 

Tommy 
W0XXX 

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Message: 18 
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 12:03:27 -0700 
From: "Chris R. NW6V" <chrisrut7 at gmail.com> 
To: elecraft reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975 
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> 
> Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com 
> <elecraft%40mailman.qth.net?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BElecraft%5D%20OT%3A%20%20High%20school%20drafting%20class%2C%20%7E1975&In-Reply-To=%3C8E25CA35-49B9-46D8-9487-BC597E246425%40elecraft.com%3E> 
> wrote:"Here's to those moments, and to that timeless pursuit: turning 
> abstractions into reality." 


Indeed. There is nothing so sublime as the moment of clarity when the last 
pieces of a jigsaw puzzle align, and the vision in your mind's eye 
crystalizes into reality. 

Thanks for sharing your visions with us :-) 

73 Chris NW6V 


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Message: 19 
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 12:58:29 -0700 
From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, 
Message-ID: 
<94a3ae5f-871f-921a-63dc-de0cba551a55 at audiosystemsgroup.com> 
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On 4/25/2021 6:27 AM, edauer at aya.yale.edu wrote: 
> I never took a drafting class nor anything like it in high school, yet its 
> absence never hurt me professionally. Making a straight line is not a skill 
> required of a lawyer. 

But writing legibly is, and that was a VERY important contribution of my 
technical drawing classes. My script has become pretty flaky with age, 
but my printing is still pretty legible. 

73, Jim K9YC 


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Message: 20 
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 15:05:30 -0500 
From: Aaron K5ATG <k5atg.aaron at gmail.com> 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Subject: [Elecraft] Kenwood MC - 43S mic for K2 
Message-ID: 
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I have been using a Kenwood MC-43S microphone for my K2 and the PTT button 
broke. Since the mic is still in really good condition I contacted Kenwood 
about a replacement PTT button and they said that I have to replace the 
entire microphone. So I was just asking the Elecraft community if anyone 
has a broken MC-43S mic for parts? 

Aaron K5ATG 


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Message: 21 
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 14:07:37 -0600 
From: Hal Massey <haljr.massey at gmail.com> 
To: Hank <hbjr at optilink.us> 
Cc: edauer at aya.yale.edu, elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, 
Message-ID: <AA6BD2CD-108F-4D40-B308-719A5F32E13F at gmail.com> 
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This turned out to be a popular subject line. Here goes... 

I was too busy with AP classes to take drafting in high school. But I had to take it when I went off to the College of Engineering to be an Electrical Engineer. And I am glad I did take it. Of course, now it is all CAD systems? 

Regards 
-Hal WB6NNR 

> On Apr 25, 2021, at 9:13 AM, Hank via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: 
> 
> There?s a joke there somewhere!! 
> 
> Hank 
> K4HYJ 
> 
>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 9:28 AM, edauer at aya.yale.edu wrote: 
>> 
>> ?I never took a drafting class nor anything like it in high school, yet its 
>> absence never hurt me professionally. Making a straight line is not a skill 
>> required of a lawyer. 
>> 
>> Ted, KN1CBR 
>> 
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Message: 22 
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 20:08:55 +0000 
From: Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> 
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KPA500 question 
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"FYI, you can still tap the BAND buttons on the KPA500 to change bands on the K3, because that uses the AUXBUS line (ACC Pin 2), not the BAND DATA lines. Many folks may have never discovered this cool feature of the KPA500 and KPA1500." 

I had to write code to put the KPA500 back on the correct band if one of these band buttons was accidentally pressed. I wish there was a way to disable them completely. One person's cool feature is another's PITA. 

Andy, k3wyc 


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Message: 23 
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 16:51:16 -0400 
From: Lou <lmecseri at cfl.rr.com> 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/KPA500 question 
Message-ID: <8d80f850-d7c4-c7a8-3c3d-6ffea68a527d at cfl.rr.com> 
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That also controls the KAT500 when connected. 

73, Lou KE1F 

On 4/25/2021 4:08 PM, Andy Durbin wrote: 
> "FYI, you can still tap the BAND buttons on the KPA500 to change bands on the K3, because that uses the AUXBUS line (ACC Pin 2), not the BAND DATA lines. Many folks may have never discovered this cool feature of the KPA500 and KPA1500." 
> 
> I had to write code to put the KPA500 back on the correct band if one of these band buttons was accidentally pressed. I wish there was a way to disable them completely. One person's cool feature is another's PITA. 
> 
> Andy, k3wyc 
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Message: 24 
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 14:20:12 -0700 (PDT) 
From: MIKE ZANE <n6zw at comcast.net> 
To: Hank <hbjr at optilink.us>, Hank via Elecraft 
<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>, edauer at aya.yale.edu 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, 
Message-ID: <90124312.387719.1619385612854 at connect.xfinity.com> 
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You bet there is! from retired LE, Mike 
> On 04/25/2021 8:13 AM Hank via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: 
> 
> 
> There?s a joke there somewhere!! 
> 
> Hank 
> K4HYJ 
> 
> > On Apr 25, 2021, at 9:28 AM, edauer at aya.yale.edu wrote: 
> > 
> > ?I never took a drafting class nor anything like it in high school, yet its 
> > absence never hurt me professionally. Making a straight line is not a skill 
> > required of a lawyer. 
> > 
> > Ted, KN1CBR 
> > 
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From w3tb.ted at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 17:31:36 2021
From: w3tb.ted at gmail.com (Ted Edwards W3TB)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 16:31:36 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class,
In-Reply-To: <90124312.387719.1619385612854@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <002001d739d6$b524a060$1f6de120$@aya.yale.edu>
	<9E297238-2749-4ADA-BE5E-A4F82CE63462@optilink.us>
	<90124312.387719.1619385612854@connect.xfinity.com>
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We called it Mechanical Drawing.
I am not in engineering field, but it is handy sometimes.

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 16:21 MIKE ZANE <n6zw at comcast.net> wrote:

> You bet there is! from retired LE,  Mike
> > On 04/25/2021 8:13 AM Hank via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > There?s a joke there somewhere!!
> >
> > Hank
> > K4HYJ
> >
> > > On Apr 25, 2021, at 9:28 AM, edauer at aya.yale.edu wrote:
> > >
> > > ?I never took a drafting class nor anything like it in high school,
> yet its
> > > absence never hurt me professionally.  Making a straight line is not a
> skill
> > > required of a lawyer.
> > >
> > > Ted, KN1CBR
> > >
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and thinking about operating CW:
"Do today what others won't,
so you can do tomorrow what others can't."

From don at w3fpr.com  Sun Apr 25 18:01:09 2021
From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 18:01:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class,
In-Reply-To: <002001d739d6$b524a060$1f6de120$@aya.yale.edu>
References: <002001d739d6$b524a060$1f6de120$@aya.yale.edu>
Message-ID: <38340e90-7e81-a553-3f4a-b5170cfeeeb2@w3fpr.com>

Ted,

Does that mean that you were allowed to "color outside the lines"?
As an engineer, I always had to "stay between the lines" (my creativity 
had to be placed in other directions, not exceeding specs) but that is 
good advice for drivers too - as well as clean side up and dirty side down.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/25/2021 9:27 AM, edauer at aya.yale.edu wrote:
> I never took a drafting class nor anything like it in high school, yet its
> absence never hurt me professionally.  Making a straight line is not a skill
> required of a lawyer.
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>


From k5atg.aaron at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 18:34:48 2021
From: k5atg.aaron at gmail.com (Aaron K5ATG)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:34:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Kenwood MC-43S mic for K2
Message-ID: <25BB979F-7884-41B4-8C02-C7EF2745F5FE@hxcore.ol>


From don at hfradio.com  Sun Apr 25 18:40:12 2021
From: don at hfradio.com (Don - W6CZ)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 15:40:12 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] T1 bypass mode and 2M/70CM
Message-ID: <1619390412579-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

I know that the T1 can?t be used to tune an antenna above 6 meters, but can
it be used in the bypass mode?



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From donnieput at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 19:19:23 2021
From: donnieput at gmail.com (Don Putnick)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 16:19:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Need help with K3 vs Win 10
Message-ID: <CA+T3j_WG=8AxhJHb8NO_NVoUizBnN=We6nUnKnHu+6OqB-twHw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm having problems controlling my K3 with applications under Win 10. Truth
in lending: Win 10 is on the Bootcamp partition of my MacBook Pro running
Big Sur.

The K3 Utility on the Mac side works just fine, so I know the cable is
okay. I can send CW via the Utility's terminal window. I can't on the Win
10 side, but the connection is established. N1MM is a mixed bag. I can read
and control the VCOs but I can't get the macros to send CW.

I'd appreciate any suggestions anyone has to offer. Not urgent but
frustrating. I have until Field Day.
Don NA6Z
K3 #5495

From ww3s at zoominternet.net  Sun Apr 25 20:15:08 2021
From: ww3s at zoominternet.net (Jamie WW3S)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 00:15:08 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 parts
Message-ID: <em062a25c4-381f-4db1-91d4-7c3b7cdd95e3@desktop-eu9mt98>

Are parts/boards still available for the K3? Like the I/O USB soundcard 
board?

From Mike.Carter at unh.edu  Sun Apr 25 20:40:37 2021
From: Mike.Carter at unh.edu (Mike K8CN)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:40:37 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 parts
In-Reply-To: <em062a25c4-381f-4db1-91d4-7c3b7cdd95e3@desktop-eu9mt98>
References: <em062a25c4-381f-4db1-91d4-7c3b7cdd95e3@desktop-eu9mt98>
Message-ID: <1619397637511-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Check here - options are half-deposit and full deposit.

https://elecraft.com/pages/k3-k3s-options

73,
Mike, K8CN



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From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Apr 25 23:59:31 2021
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 20:59:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <ef81f387-ab68-8610-fb5c-db5e12b3acb3@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? Conditions were not good.? QSB was moderate while noise was weak.? 
Forty meters was stronger than twenty with more QSB.? I thought the CME 
would cause more hiss but I did not hear it. Weather reports were all 
over the place.? Four sites with rain, two with snow, a few sunny.? 
Temperatures from 35 to 82 degrees. I expect there is some wind with 
those differences.? Here it is foggy and wet but much more green than 
last week.? The leaves decided it was time.? The ferns have grown a foot 
in the last day.? They needed this rain.


 ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K6XK - Roy - IA


 ? On 7047.5 kHz at 0000z:

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

K6PJV - Dale - CA


 ?? I walked through the house and counted five T-squares hanging on the 
walls.? There is another one, but it's for cutting drywall ;)? Three of 
them are inherited so I can use that in my defense. However, if you need 
to lay out a sign quickly, or cut glass for that matter, they are very 
handy.? Then there are those times when the power is out and I need to 
draw an isometric view of some idea which is bugging me.

 ?? Until next week stay creative & 73,

 ????? Kevin.? KD5ONS


-


The supreme accomplishment is to blur the line between work and play. 
-Arnold J. Toynbee





From donnieput at gmail.com  Mon Apr 26 01:12:24 2021
From: donnieput at gmail.com (Don Putnick)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 22:12:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] SOLVED: Need help with K3 vs Win 10
In-Reply-To: <CA+T3j_WG=8AxhJHb8NO_NVoUizBnN=We6nUnKnHu+6OqB-twHw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+T3j_WG=8AxhJHb8NO_NVoUizBnN=We6nUnKnHu+6OqB-twHw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+T3j_XwLj-c--hQCGXJJEqu_iQ7EdTC0sgP8-yVGGda3jRppw@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry for the wasted email. Problem with Win 10 drivers.
Final score: NA6Z 1; Win10 0
73 Don NA6Z
K3 #5495

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 4:19 PM Don Putnick <donnieput at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm having problems controlling my K3 with applications under Win 10.
> Truth in lending: Win 10 is on the Bootcamp partition of my MacBook Pro
> running Big Sur.
>
> The K3 Utility on the Mac side works just fine, so I know the cable is
> okay. I can send CW via the Utility's terminal window. I can't on the Win
> 10 side, but the connection is established. N1MM is a mixed bag. I can read
> and control the VCOs but I can't get the macros to send CW.
>
> I'd appreciate any suggestions anyone has to offer. Not urgent but
> frustrating. I have until Field Day.
> Don NA6Z
> K3 #5495
>
>
>

From w2up at comcast.net  Mon Apr 26 07:54:13 2021
From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 04:54:13 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class,
In-Reply-To: <94a3ae5f-871f-921a-63dc-de0cba551a55@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <002001d739d6$b524a060$1f6de120$@aya.yale.edu>
	<94a3ae5f-871f-921a-63dc-de0cba551a55@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <1619438053888-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Jim Brown-10 wrote
> But writing legibly is, and that was a VERY important contribution of my 
> technical drawing classes. My script has become pretty flaky with age, 
> but my printing is still pretty legible.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC

My handwriting was always poor.  Guess that's why they made me go into
medicine.

Barry W2UP






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From k2asp at kanafi.org  Mon Apr 26 10:06:15 2021
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 07:06:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade
In-Reply-To: <ce3b7856-2263-be1a-2a7f-4095a7092cd3@w3fpr.com>
References: <CAKCPGdpUeGnY_a1HF_=J8sx6ji=QJsHSh7qBq6BaqQLLThi7iQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<MWHPR16MB16946304EE4510908EBDA312B4459@MWHPR16MB1694.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<7bfbc278-e173-2d21-e134-5ba1faafa84c@gmail.com>
	<ce3b7856-2263-be1a-2a7f-4095a7092cd3@w3fpr.com>
Message-ID: <9566aad6-0e1c-0e2f-963f-9248e977db3e@kanafi.org>

Really OT but where else can I ask and get good replies?

I am looking for a small mixer that will handle two inputs:  the wired 
low-level audio output from my computer as well as a blue-tooth 
connection to my HT.  I have a pair of small amplified speakers that do 
a good job on the computer output. I can find several blue-tooth 
"receivers" that would do that job except that they don't have a second 
input.  I'm not in any shape to build a mixer - it has to be plug-and-play.

Any ideas?

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon


From n6zw at comcast.net  Mon Apr 26 10:45:15 2021
From: n6zw at comcast.net (MIKE ZANE)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 07:45:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class,
In-Reply-To: <1619438053888-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <002001d739d6$b524a060$1f6de120$@aya.yale.edu>
	<94a3ae5f-871f-921a-63dc-de0cba551a55@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<1619438053888-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <760170983.390891.1619448316285@connect.xfinity.com>

Golly, Jim hit it ion the head. Same with me, script has gone south, but printing is still pretty good. We had to print all our reports way back when I was working. Now all the guys use computers in the car. Guess that's progress.  Mike n6zw
> On 04/26/2021 4:54 AM Barry <w2up at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>  
> Jim Brown-10 wrote
> > But writing legibly is, and that was a VERY important contribution of my 
> > technical drawing classes. My script has become pretty flaky with age, 
> > but my printing is still pretty legible.
> > 
> > 73, Jim K9YC
> 
> My handwriting was always poor.  Guess that's why they made me go into
> medicine.
> 
> Barry W2UP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From kr7x at comcast.net  Mon Apr 26 11:23:31 2021
From: kr7x at comcast.net (kr7x at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 08:23:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class,
In-Reply-To: <760170983.390891.1619448316285@connect.xfinity.com>
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I thought I could refrain from adding to the Hubris but here goes:

I took drafting in HS (early 60's) it was called drafting. Learned plan,
projection, 3-D projection, etc. All done on paper and pencil with wood
drafting board, T-Square and Triangles. Note the pencil was not mechanical
and the hard part was to get consistent line width and weight.

In the university as a freshmen in engineering a required course was
engineering fundamentals where one semester was devoted to mechanical
drafting and lettering, another to nomograph and other visual presentation
methods. 
As a still practicing civil and structural engineer (50+ years) I still at
times hand sketch and letter design calculations. For certain tasks it, for
me, is the most expedient method to produce the work. I have gone thru the
ink on mylar, plastic lead on mylar, pencil on paper, autocad, microstation
methods of preparing engineering drawings for construction and fabrication.

Do I miss the old methods, not really, what I miss is the character and
lettering style of old hand drawings, some of which I consider art. P.S. my
hand lettering skill is faster than my script skill and way, way more
legible, Hi!

Regards

Henry S. Lonberg, Jr, P.E., S.E., P.L.S.

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Behalf Of MIKE ZANE
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 7:45 AM
To: Barry <w2up at comcast.net>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class,

Golly, Jim hit it ion the head. Same with me, script has gone south, but
printing is still pretty good. We had to print all our reports way back when
I was working. Now all the guys use computers in the car. Guess that's
progress.  Mike n6zw
> On 04/26/2021 4:54 AM Barry <w2up at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>  
> Jim Brown-10 wrote
> > But writing legibly is, and that was a VERY important contribution 
> > of my technical drawing classes. My script has become pretty flaky 
> > with age, but my printing is still pretty legible.
> > 
> > 73, Jim K9YC
> 
> My handwriting was always poor.  Guess that's why they made me go into 
> medicine.
> 
> Barry W2UP
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From lawresh at woh.rr.com  Mon Apr 26 11:33:40 2021
From: lawresh at woh.rr.com (SteveL)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 11:33:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  High school drafting class, ~1975
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I envied a friend in a EE program and the University of Cincinnati.  He had the first HP-35 I?d ever seen the year it was introduced (1972), but it was way out of my budget as a new freshman studying Engineering.

A couple of months after my friend acquired the HP-35, to my fascination he received a letter from HP detailing a list of obscure calculations the device performed in error (the tangent of 98.2352?, etc.) .  The letter went on to describe that these were determined and then verified by computer simulation of the computational algorithms used internally - a concept new to this budding engineer.  And, if he returned the calculator, it would be repaired and corrected.

And to think we basically flew to the moon on a slide rule?  Who could ever imagine a computer that could fit into one room?  (Paraphrasing a line from early in the Apollo 13 movie.)

Who carried around a CRC book of tables of various calculations in lieu of an unaffordable scientific calculator?
Or programming FORTRAN on punch cards?
Or PDP-8 on paper tape after toggling in the boot loader through the front panel switches?

We?ve come a long way!  I love the reminiscences?

Steve
aa8af


> 
> I scraped and saved my summertime active duty pay to buy a Bomar 901 four-function calculator in 1972 for $150, about $950 today.  Hewlett-Packard had introduced their milestone HP-35 scientific calculator that year for $400, about $2535 today.  Extremely few students could afford that.
> 


From k7mdl at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 26 13:36:23 2021
From: k7mdl at hotmail.com (K7MDL)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 10:36:23 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] XV432
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I have used it for JT65 and FT8 but you have to run it at low output to
minimize drift from heating.  Even with the oven option it will drift as it
heats up. 

I eventually changed my entire stack(144,222,43,902,1296) all to an external
shared programmable LO, and that was connected to a 10MHz OCXO or GPSDO.  No
drift here!  

I have 7 Elecraft transverters between 2 QTHs, plus others for 902/1296, all
but the one 50Mhz box are converted to external LO.

Mike - K7MDL
EL87sm/CN88sf






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From k2asp at kanafi.org  Mon Apr 26 13:52:28 2021
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 10:52:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975
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On 4/24/2021 6:11 AM, Barry wrote:

> High school in 1975?  You're just a kid in ham circles, Wayne:-)
> 
> Barry W2UP (HS class of '74)

Mere infants.  HS '53 didn't have drafting but that fall in first year 
EE we had a whole year of it.  The instructor was a graduate of the US 
Merchant Marine Academy and he was a nit-picker.

As for slide rules - I still have my K&E Log Log Duplex Vector - sits in 
its orange case on a shelf behind me.  I take it out every few years 
just to gaze upon it.  My step-son who is an IT engineer  says that it's 
best use is to slay saber-tooth tigers!  :)

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon


From k7mdl at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 26 13:57:25 2021
From: k7mdl at hotmail.com (K7MDL)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 10:57:25 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] XV432
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Due to station changes I have a stack of 5 Elecraft transverters sitting
idle.  (There are still 3 others in use!). 50, 2x 144, 222, and 432.  All
but the 50MHz one are converted to use external LO.  They are easily
switched back to the internal LO if desired by soldering back a few
connection/parts.

They are available for sale now.  Cannot ship for a few weeks due to travel
schedule.

Mike - K7MDL
El87sm/CN88sf



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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Mon Apr 26 14:18:56 2021
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 14:18:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  High school drafting class, ~1975
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OK, I can't resist any longer.

On 4/26/21 at 11:33 AM, lawresh at woh.rr.com (SteveL) wrote:

>Who carried around a CRC book of tables of various calculations in lieu of an unaffordable scientific calculator?
Yup.

>Or programming FORTRAN on punch cards?
Yup. At first on a IBM 650 with a 4 pass compiler, intermediate 
storage on punch cards.

>Or PDP-8 on paper tape after toggling in the boot loader through the front panel switches?
Sorry, mine was a Varian 620/i (8K of 16 bit words) used for 
nodes in a circuit switched data network (Tymnet). :-)

73 Bill AE6JV

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From kl7cw at mtaonline.net  Mon Apr 26 15:00:37 2021
From: kl7cw at mtaonline.net (Frederick Dwight)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 11:00:37 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] High school drafting class
Message-ID: <20210426190235694@smtp.email-protect.gosecure.net>

I took drafting back in the 50?s.  The typical attire of the science nerds back then included a pocket protector with about 6 pens, a pair of black thick plastic rim glasses, and a slide rule hanging from our belts.  This guaranteed we would not be distracted by the girls in HS and University, thus could concentrate on our academic work and some essential (there were real sunspots back in that era) ham radio activity.  Fast forward a few years when I was a new Physics teacher.  It was an absolute necessity to have good slide rule proficiency back in the pre computer days.  In my class room there was a large heavy (demonstration) slide rule hanging from just above the blackboard.  The slide alone must have had a mass of 2 or 3 kg, and there were several finger holes drilled all the way through the slide.  
      Since I was a new young teacher, I wanted to impress my students with my great slide rule skills.  So I did a demonstration of quickly working the slide rule.  Part way through the problem I placed my finger through a hole and then very quickly moved the slide.  My rapidly moving finger in the hole quickly approached the metal bars linking the upper and lower scales.  I did not pull my finger out in time, and the heavy slide with it?s inertia smashed my finger into the metal end bars.  The slide rule made a rather effective finger guillotine.  I did not lose my finger, but it hurt for many days, and since I was a new teacher, I could not run outside and cry or say naughty words in front of the class.  Also this was near the beginning of class, so I needed to keep my cool, and pretend that nothing had happened for the next half hour while I lectured with tears in my eyes.          Cheers,  Rick  KL7CW

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From Eberbari at iupui.edu  Mon Apr 26 15:10:26 2021
From: Eberbari at iupui.edu (eberbari)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 12:10:26 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  High school drafting class, ~1975
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Well, I too could not resist this thread.  I took drafting in my senior year
(1967) as did all those who identified as wanting to be an engineer.  I did
OK.  Even got hired by the city engineer and helped to redraw all of the
city standards for sidewalks, driveway approaches, etc.  However, I did go
into EE and wound up with 3 degrees. 

One of my professors was Gordon Bell (of Digital Equipment and
PDP(3,8,11)fame and he had us learn Fortran by writing code which emulated
the PDP 8 instruction set (anyone remember TAD?)

And I had a Versalog slide rule, still in my desk.

Needed to get this in before Eric shuts us down for going down memory.

Ed, W9EJB



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From kg1gem at gmail.com  Mon Apr 26 15:44:53 2021
From: kg1gem at gmail.com (Timothy Elwell)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 14:44:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975
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 From what I've seen, I guess I'm the baby of the drafting class guys. 
HI HI I took drafting in HS in 1988. Luckily, had a great teacher that 
was really good at teaching drafting, even in that "late" time. Still 
have all my drawings from that class rolled up somewhere around here. 
Made the drafting/CAD in engineering at college a breeze. Like others, I 
still get out pen/pencil and paper for initial sketches. I'm just much 
quicker at that and can get the basic design down and workable. Plus 
it's just more fun for me, even though my degree is in computer 
science/technology. You'd think I'd like the CAD better, but I still 
prefer the paper. Guess I'm just old-fashioned! HI HI

73,

Tim

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From k3wjv at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 26 15:50:31 2021
From: k3wjv at yahoo.com (Bill Stravinsky)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 19:50:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 shipping
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 Joe
There are 3 groups.? Group one has at least 2 days.? Group one day two orders should be filled by mid May.? Do you know how many days arein group one?? I know I don't, hi.? I don't even know what group I am in.
GL with your order.? I am not gonna get too excited about expected shipping dates anymore.? I look forward to them telling us that group oneis all shipped however long of a period of time that group is.

BillK3WJV

    On Friday, April 23, 2021, 3:15:40 PM EDT, Joseph Trombino, Jr <w2kj at bellsouth.net> wrote:  
 
 Howdy Gang.

Getting excited now that my K4 should be shipping in the next several weeks.

After all, the Mother Ship said that the Group 1 orders will be filled by the end of May (this May?grin).

And I'm in Group 1 sooo???I?ll believe it when I see it (grin).

Any K4?s shipped recently?

Take care and stay healthy.

CU on the bands, CW of course!

??? ??? ??? 73, Joe W2KJ
??? ??? ??? I QRP, therefore I am
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From w8lvn.9 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 26 15:53:32 2021
From: w8lvn.9 at gmail.com (Bill Lederer)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 14:53:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class,
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My cursive died when I got to engineering school, and now even my printing
is not improving, to some extent to writing mostly with keyboard.

No drafting in High School, but my first Freshman course in the EE program
was pretty awesome. Professor Kliphardt taught us mechanical drawing, where
we learned to make 3-d drawings of various objects, solving problems like a
pipe coming through a wall and determining if it intersected a desk or the
person sitting there. You would solve this by rotating the drawing, using
projection to spot the path. He would do all these drawings with a chalk
and a piece of string. Was amazing to watch.

Was a very fun course. (The next quarter was intro to computer programming,
and that derailed me for the next several decades)

w8lvn


On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 2:59 PM Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:

> On 4/25/2021 6:27 AM, edauer at aya.yale.edu wrote:
> > I never took a drafting class nor anything like it in high school, yet
> its
> > absence never hurt me professionally.  Making a straight line is not a
> skill
> > required of a lawyer.
>
> But writing legibly is, and that was a VERY important contribution of my
> technical drawing classes. My script has become pretty flaky with age,
> but my printing is still pretty legible.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From johnbsaxon at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 26 16:19:16 2021
From: johnbsaxon at yahoo.com (John Saxon)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 20:19:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  High school drafting class, ~1975
In-Reply-To: <65EDF803-CD03-463F-9D2E-653173B61D20@woh.rr.com>
References: <446876765.3335.1619247327549@wamui-jelly.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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 I have greatly enjoyed the memory fest here.? Wasn't going to join in, but, Steve, your email really hit close to home.? I replied to Steve, intended for whole group.

Took 'Mechanical Drawing' in Jr. high, loved it.? Also had drawing classes (course also included slide rule) first semester of college.

I was a co-op student in EE and worked for NASA 1962-1967.? I was placed in a software group, kinda out of my degree, but I liked it and spent my career as a Software Engineer (in the day we were called 'programmers.')
I was greatly blessed to be working at NASA at the beginning of operations in Houston.? The first computer I worked on was an IBM 7094, 32K of 36 bit words, 2 microsecond cycle time, mag tape OS, no disk.? We were located in what had been the PBS TV studio on the University of Houston campus, reworked to be a computer center - the space center (MSC) was under construction.? Languages were FORTRAN II, assembly (FAP) and eventually FORTRAN IV and assembly.? Punch cards of course.
Slide rules indeed!? However, we also had a Friden mechanical calculator which could do square roots!!

Ham rig at the time was a homebrew 6AU6-6146 from a QST article and Hallicrafters S-19R with Heathkit Q multiplier, dipole on 40m cw.
As you, Steve, indicated I could not afford the HP 'digital slide rule' -- bought the TI version about a year later for a cost 1/2 of the HP, used it for years.? Still have my K&E DECI-LON (and a B-29? 'Load Adjuster' slide rule from WWII).
I remember all the items you mentioned.
Finally (at last) I often tell younger folks (I am 77) that they have orders of magnitude more power in their cell phones than we had in our gigantic computers -- BUT -- we put men on the moon with 'em.
Sorry for the wide bandwidth,73,John? K5ENQ



    On Monday, April 26, 2021, 10:36:33 AM CDT, SteveL <lawresh at woh.rr.com> wrote:  
 
 I envied a friend in a EE program and the University of Cincinnati.? He had the first HP-35 I?d ever seen the year it was introduced (1972), but it was way out of my budget as a new freshman studying Engineering.

A couple of months after my friend acquired the HP-35, to my fascination he received a letter from HP detailing a list of obscure calculations the device performed in error (the tangent of 98.2352?, etc.) .? The letter went on to describe that these were determined and then verified by computer simulation of the computational algorithms used internally - a concept new to this budding engineer.? And, if he returned the calculator, it would be repaired and corrected.

And to think we basically flew to the moon on a slide rule?? Who could ever imagine a computer that could fit into one room?? (Paraphrasing a line from early in the Apollo 13 movie.)

Who carried around a CRC book of tables of various calculations in lieu of an unaffordable scientific calculator?
Or programming FORTRAN on punch cards?
Or PDP-8 on paper tape after toggling in the boot loader through the front panel switches?

We?ve come a long way!? I love the reminiscences?

Steve
aa8af
   

From sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 26 16:22:38 2021
From: sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com (stephen shearer)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 16:22:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 shipping
In-Reply-To: <838900813.470849.1619466631541@mail.yahoo.com>
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Bill,

Group one was still taking orders at the beginning of 2020 (January at 
least).
I placed my group one order before Thanksgiving 2019.
I suspect (hope) most of the group one orders were placed during the 
Hamvention ??
I upgraded my order from a K4 to a K4D before Easter 2020 (no problem - 
still in Group One).
Note the HOLIDAY "gift" theme and the wife got an equal $$ (I asked if 
she wanted a K4D also.? No she {KB3FMT/tech} didn't).

73, steve WB3LGC

On 4/26/21 3:50 PM, Bill Stravinsky via Elecraft wrote:
>   Joe
> There are 3 groups.? Group one has at least 2 days.? Group one day two orders should be filled by mid May.? Do you know how many days arein group one?? I know I don't, hi.? I don't even know what group I am in.
> GL with your order.? I am not gonna get too excited about expected shipping dates anymore.? I look forward to them telling us that group oneis all shipped however long of a period of time that group is.
>
> BillK3WJV
>
>      On Friday, April 23, 2021, 3:15:40 PM EDT, Joseph Trombino, Jr <w2kj at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>   
>   Howdy Gang.
>
> Getting excited now that my K4 should be shipping in the next several weeks.
>
> After all, the Mother Ship said that the Group 1 orders will be filled by the end of May (this May?grin).
>
> And I'm in Group 1 sooo???I?ll believe it when I see it (grin).
>
> Any K4?s shipped recently?
>
> Take care and stay healthy.
>
> CU on the bands, CW of course!
>
>  ??? ??? ??? 73, Joe W2KJ
>  ??? ??? ??? I QRP, therefore I am
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From ardrhi at gmail.com  Sat Apr 24 16:44:10 2021
From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 16:44:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975
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I remember those classes, though I never took one. I wish I had, now.

I understand completely about the changes in our world. In the early 80's,
my college got an IBM PC through an educational program, and I was tapped
to set it up and use it in the library office. While learning what this box
could do -- I was more used to timesharing systems and the school's new VAX
-- I opined that it would someday be possible to digitize sounds and edit
them electronically, rather than the laborious process of cutting and
splicing tape, which I did routinely does the theatre department.  Of
course, this was seen as impossible, as the storage requirements would be
far too great.

I do video and sound editing on my current PC. Storage might become an
issue, so I used some reward points from my credit card to buy an external
hard drive from Staples.

An _8 terabyte_ USB 3.1 hard drive. It cost around $150 or so.

I never did learn drafting, though I did learn the slide rule (now I
collect them), but I did create a webcomic with digital tools. Mostly
because I never learned to draw by hand, either. Or, at least, not very
well. I keep trying.

It's a crazy time to be alive, but parts of it are excellent!

73,
Gwen, NG3P

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021, 1:10 AM Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> OK, I've really dated myself now.
>
> Anyone remember "drafting"? A favorite class in high school: blueprints,
> mechanical drawings, schematics, straight edges, hand lettering,
> projections and elevations. We invented things to draw that weren't real,
> but looked like they should be. Did all the math by hand -- on a slide
> rule, if necessary. Day-dreamed about what we might one day build.
>
> 45 years later, we're using tools we couldn't have imagined. Modeling
> circuits and objects with millions of parameters and vectors, realizing
> them in virtual space, manipulating them in real time. Testing finished
> products before they're even assembled.
>
> The transformation is mind boggling. Yet the best part now, as it was
> then, is the occasional burst of creative energy that propels an idea
> forward. The feeling of pieces falling into place. Or forcing them into
> place out of sheer necessity.
>
> Most of the time, we think of our new tools and techniques as advances in
> the state of the art. Things we can't live without. But those same defining
> moments happened just as often in simpler times.
>
> Case in point -- my first real project, a rendition of W7ZOI's
> Micro-mountaineer. Carefully documenting it took several sheets of
> 4-squares-per-inch grid paper, which may still be in my cellar, beneath a
> lifetime of such drawings. With the schematic, I took a lot of pride in
> making the circuits look well-organized, as if that would somehow improve
> my odds. On the PC board, I drew large traces and pads with the etch-resist
> pen, as if that would somehow appease the electrons.
>
> I etched the PCB, soldered two dozen parts, and connected a 12 V lantern
> battery. Thanks to my paranoia about what would happen if I did it wrong,
> I'd taken my time and done it right.
>
> I was rewarded with a hiss of band noise and a few CW signals on 40 meters.
>
> Here's to those moments, and to that timeless pursuit: turning
> abstractions into reality.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
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From ardrhi at gmail.com  Sat Apr 24 16:55:59 2021
From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 16:55:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975
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My slide rule at the time was a Sterling pocket model I got at the
drugstore for $2. I carried it in my bag or a jacket pocket.

Now I have over 100 of the things, including the venerable K&R 20" log-log
duplex decitrig mentioned in Heinlein's "Have Spacesuit Will Travel".

Another Heinlein book that's on topic here is "Door Into Summer", in which
the protagonist invents a mechanical drafting machine, built around an
electric typewriter. It revolutionized drafting in the book, just as CAD
revolutionized it for us.

73,
Gwen, NG3P

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021, 4:02 PM Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:

> On 4/24/2021 1:00 AM, Joe K2UF wrote:
> > In 1955 we were the cool guys with a slide rule in a leather case hanging
> > from your belt and india ink stains on your hands.
>
> I don't remember Drafting in high school, but I do remember it, along
> with courses in Nomography graphical methods to compute equations) and
> the derivation of emperical equations from graphical data, both of which
> were taught with mechanical drawing in my freshman year of EE in '59-'60.
>
> My slide rule NEVER hung from my belt.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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From garnere at gmail.com  Mon Apr 26 16:42:55 2021
From: garnere at gmail.com (Eric Garner)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 13:42:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 shipping
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There was an update to the K4 product page yesterday that spelled this out
in more detail:

*K4 Update 4/25/2021*

We are working hard getting your K4's out the door and we have just
finished shipping our Group 1 orders from May 16th, which was 1 day before
the 2019 Dayton Hamvention opened. We are now shipping from the May 17th
group 1 orders.


We had a huge surge of orders on May 17th from both Dayton, on-line and
telephone orders. We expect it will take us approximately 4-6 weeks to ship
these orders. After that you will start to see the the order date that we
are shipping change much more quickly.


On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 1:24 PM stephen shearer <sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Bill,
>
> Group one was still taking orders at the beginning of 2020 (January at
> least).
> I placed my group one order before Thanksgiving 2019.
> I suspect (hope) most of the group one orders were placed during the
> Hamvention ??
> I upgraded my order from a K4 to a K4D before Easter 2020 (no problem -
> still in Group One).
> Note the HOLIDAY "gift" theme and the wife got an equal $$ (I asked if
> she wanted a K4D also.  No she {KB3FMT/tech} didn't).
>
> 73, steve WB3LGC
>
> On 4/26/21 3:50 PM, Bill Stravinsky via Elecraft wrote:
> >   Joe
> > There are 3 groups.  Group one has at least 2 days.  Group one day two
> orders should be filled by mid May.  Do you know how many days arein group
> one?  I know I don't, hi.  I don't even know what group I am in.
> > GL with your order.  I am not gonna get too excited about expected
> shipping dates anymore.  I look forward to them telling us that group oneis
> all shipped however long of a period of time that group is.
> >
> > BillK3WJV
> >
> >      On Friday, April 23, 2021, 3:15:40 PM EDT, Joseph Trombino, Jr <
> w2kj at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >
> >   Howdy Gang.
> >
> > Getting excited now that my K4 should be shipping in the next several
> weeks.
> >
> > After all, the Mother Ship said that the Group 1 orders will be filled
> by the end of May (this May?grin).
> >
> > And I'm in Group 1 sooo???I?ll believe it when I see it (grin).
> >
> > Any K4?s shipped recently?
> >
> > Take care and stay healthy.
> >
> > CU on the bands, CW of course!
> >
> >              73, Joe W2KJ
> >              I QRP, therefore I am
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From louandzip at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 26 17:07:56 2021
From: louandzip at yahoo.com (Louandzip)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 21:07:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  High school drafting class, ~1975
In-Reply-To: <65EDF803-CD03-463F-9D2E-653173B61D20@woh.rr.com>
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 HP-35!? Hah. Came out my second year in college. $400. The rich kids got them. That's over $2k in 2021 dollars. I had to keep stroking my slide rule for another year until the Ti SR50 came out.? I waited in line with a bunch of other nerds at the doors of Macy's (!) when they had a sale on them...around $125 IIRC.? The doors opened and we all rushed the counter...probably 35+ of us.? I don't know if everybody got one but I did. That thing lasted me well through graduate school and my first few jobs. 

   On Monday, April 26, 2021, 9:34:45 AM MDT, SteveL <lawresh at woh.rr.com> wrote:  
 
 I envied a friend in a EE program and the University of Cincinnati.? He had the first HP-35 I?d ever seen the year it was introduced (1972), but it was way out of my budget as a new freshman studying Engineering.

A couple of months after my friend acquired the HP-35, to my fascination he received a letter from HP detailing a list of obscure calculations the device performed in error (the tangent of 98.2352?, etc.) .? The letter went on to describe that these were determined and then verified by computer simulation of the computational algorithms used internally - a concept new to this budding engineer.? And, if he returned the calculator, it would be repaired and corrected.

And to think we basically flew to the moon on a slide rule?? Who could ever imagine a computer that could fit into one room?? (Paraphrasing a line from early in the Apollo 13 movie.)

Who carried around a CRC book of tables of various calculations in lieu of an unaffordable scientific calculator?
Or programming FORTRAN on punch cards?
Or PDP-8 on paper tape after toggling in the boot loader through the front panel switches?

We?ve come a long way!? I love the reminiscences?

Steve
aa8af


> 
> I scraped and saved my summertime active duty pay to buy a Bomar 901 four-function calculator in 1972 for $150, about $950 today.? Hewlett-Packard had introduced their milestone HP-35 scientific calculator that year for $400, about $2535 today.? Extremely few students could afford that.
> 

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From n6zw at comcast.net  Mon Apr 26 17:12:48 2021
From: n6zw at comcast.net (MIKE ZANE)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 14:12:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975
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What the heck are all those things you guys are talking about?  Mike n6zw
> On 04/26/2021 11:18 AM Bill Frantz <frantz at pwpconsult.com> wrote:
> 
>  
> OK, I can't resist any longer.
> 
> On 4/26/21 at 11:33 AM, lawresh at woh.rr.com (SteveL) wrote:
> 
> >Who carried around a CRC book of tables of various calculations in lieu of an unaffordable scientific calculator?
> Yup.
> 
> >Or programming FORTRAN on punch cards?
> Yup. At first on a IBM 650 with a 4 pass compiler, intermediate 
> storage on punch cards.
> 
> >Or PDP-8 on paper tape after toggling in the boot loader through the front panel switches?
> Sorry, mine was a Varian 620/i (8K of 16 bit words) used for 
> nodes in a circuit switched data network (Tymnet). :-)
> 
> 73 Bill AE6JV
> 
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From sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 26 17:29:01 2021
From: sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com (stephen shearer)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 17:29:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 shipping
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Yes, I saw that and the " After that you will start to see the the order 
date that we are shipping change much more quickly. "? I am sure I can 
find another holiday (Fathers Day) between now and my shipping date.? I 
"need" matching monitors and a nice desk to go with the K4D and the PN50 
mini computer (holiday #4)...

73, steve WB3LGC

On 4/26/21 4:42 PM, Eric Garner wrote:
> There was an update to the K4 product page yesterday that spelled this out
> in more detail:
>
> *K4 Update 4/25/2021*
>
> We are working hard getting your K4's out the door and we have just
> finished shipping our Group 1 orders from May 16th, which was 1 day before
> the 2019 Dayton Hamvention opened. We are now shipping from the May 17th
> group 1 orders.
>
>
> We had a huge surge of orders on May 17th from both Dayton, on-line and
> telephone orders. We expect it will take us approximately 4-6 weeks to ship
> these orders. After that you will start to see the the order date that we
> are shipping change much more quickly.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 1:24 PM stephen shearer <sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>>
>> Group one was still taking orders at the beginning of 2020 (January at
>> least).
>> I placed my group one order before Thanksgiving 2019.
>> I suspect (hope) most of the group one orders were placed during the
>> Hamvention ??
>> I upgraded my order from a K4 to a K4D before Easter 2020 (no problem -
>> still in Group One).
>> Note the HOLIDAY "gift" theme and the wife got an equal $$ (I asked if
>> she wanted a K4D also.  No she {KB3FMT/tech} didn't).
>>
>> 73, steve WB3LGC
>>
>> On 4/26/21 3:50 PM, Bill Stravinsky via Elecraft wrote:
>>>    Joe
>>> There are 3 groups.  Group one has at least 2 days.  Group one day two
>> orders should be filled by mid May.  Do you know how many days arein group
>> one?  I know I don't, hi.  I don't even know what group I am in.
>>> GL with your order.  I am not gonna get too excited about expected
>> shipping dates anymore.  I look forward to them telling us that group oneis
>> all shipped however long of a period of time that group is.
>>> BillK3WJV
>>>
>>>       On Friday, April 23, 2021, 3:15:40 PM EDT, Joseph Trombino, Jr <
>> w2kj at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>    Howdy Gang.
>>>
>>> Getting excited now that my K4 should be shipping in the next several
>> weeks.
>>> After all, the Mother Ship said that the Group 1 orders will be filled
>> by the end of May (this May?grin).
>>> And I'm in Group 1 sooo???I?ll believe it when I see it (grin).
>>>
>>> Any K4?s shipped recently?
>>>
>>> Take care and stay healthy.
>>>
>>> CU on the bands, CW of course!
>>>
>>>               73, Joe W2KJ
>>>               I QRP, therefore I am
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From markmusick at outlook.com  Mon Apr 26 17:33:30 2021
From: markmusick at outlook.com (Mark Musick)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 21:33:30 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975
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OK, I can't resist any longer either.
I waited and bought the HP-45 when it came out. It had hyperbolic functions as well as polar to rectangular conversion functions. Being a EE the polar to rectangular conversion is why I bought it. It made life much easier. Of course my dad had a fit when he found out what I paid for it.

Now to the computers, how many of you youngsters out there remember core memory? For you really young folks there was no RAM. 0s and 1s were stored on toroidal cores on a back plane.
IN 1978, when I started at Public Service Company of Indiana (PSI), the local electric utility, we were using two 16 bit MODCOMP minicomputers. Each minicomputer had 64K of core memory for the supervisory control and data acquisition (SCADA) system. Each machine had a tape drive and two 360k disk drives. We thought we were downtown. The SCADA system was used to control and monitor the HV transmission system. 69kV - 765kV. 

73,
Mark, WB9CIF

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975

What the heck are all those things you guys are talking about?  Mike n6zw
> On 04/26/2021 11:18 AM Bill Frantz <frantz at pwpconsult.com> wrote:
> 
>  
> OK, I can't resist any longer.
> 
> On 4/26/21 at 11:33 AM, lawresh at woh.rr.com (SteveL) wrote:
> 
> >Who carried around a CRC book of tables of various calculations in lieu of an unaffordable scientific calculator?
> Yup.
> 
> >Or programming FORTRAN on punch cards?
> Yup. At first on a IBM 650 with a 4 pass compiler, intermediate 
> storage on punch cards.
> 
> >Or PDP-8 on paper tape after toggling in the boot loader through the front panel switches?
> Sorry, mine was a Varian 620/i (8K of 16 bit words) used for nodes in 
> a circuit switched data network (Tymnet). :-)
> 
> 73 Bill AE6JV
> 
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From margaret at elecraft.com  Mon Apr 26 17:38:45 2021
From: margaret at elecraft.com (Margaret Wold)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 14:38:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3S Options and Upgrades - Place your order now!
Message-ID: <CAMahjCyUnQ1+oPZuSQPoysPK4TU=yotx7MSiXmZw_orAb11bVQ@mail.gmail.com>

We are now taking deposits for K3/K3S options and upgrades.
Along with the upgrades, we will do a final run of P3s (factory assembled)
and K3/0  Mini Remote Control Panel.  If you've been wanting to upgrade
your K3/K3S or purchase a P3 or K3/0, now's the time to do it.  This will
be our final production.  *Order here
<https://elecraft.com/pages/k3-k3s-options>:  *
https://elecraft.com/pages/k3-k3s-options
-Margaret
Elecraft Sales

From don at w3fpr.com  Mon Apr 26 17:52:09 2021
From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 17:52:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade
In-Reply-To: <9566aad6-0e1c-0e2f-963f-9248e977db3e@kanafi.org>
References: <CAKCPGdpUeGnY_a1HF_=J8sx6ji=QJsHSh7qBq6BaqQLLThi7iQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<MWHPR16MB16946304EE4510908EBDA312B4459@MWHPR16MB1694.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<7bfbc278-e173-2d21-e134-5ba1faafa84c@gmail.com>
	<ce3b7856-2263-be1a-2a7f-4095a7092cd3@w3fpr.com>
	<9566aad6-0e1c-0e2f-963f-9248e977db3e@kanafi.org>
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Phil,

You may want to check out the Behringer mixers even though they may have 
more inputs than you need.? I don't know if any of the inputs support 
Bluetooth natively.
They are low in price and work well.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/26/2021 10:06 AM, Phil Kane wrote:
> Really OT but where else can I ask and get good replies?
>
> I am looking for a small mixer that will handle two inputs:? the wired 
> low-level audio output from my computer as well as a blue-tooth 
> connection to my HT.? I have a pair of small amplified speakers that 
> do a good job on the computer output. I can find several blue-tooth 
> "receivers" that would do that job except that they don't have a 
> second input.? I'm not in any shape to build a mixer - it has to be 
> plug-and-play.
>
> Any ideas?
>


From k2asp at kanafi.org  Mon Apr 26 19:20:48 2021
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 16:20:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975
In-Reply-To: <r480Ps-10146i-B1E30EF63C3D4325A2E821AED300F353@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-B1E30EF63C3D4325A2E821AED300F353@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <eca185c0-b79e-c532-f7b2-1a957a060976@kanafi.org>

On 4/26/2021 11:18 AM, Bill Frantz wrote:

>> Or PDP-8 on paper tape after toggling in the boot loader through the 
>> front panel switches?

> Sorry, mine was a Varian 620/i (8K of 16 bit words) used for nodes in a 
> circuit switched data network (Tymnet). :-)

Memories of a USAF Message Center (mid-1960s) with a 100-line data 
switch that took up a whole floor of the building.  Today such a switch 
would be the size of a big refrigerator.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon


From archernf at gmail.com  Mon Apr 26 19:22:05 2021
From: archernf at gmail.com (Neil)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 19:22:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s
Message-ID: <60874B1D.8040803@gmail.com>

Is anyone using a K3 or K3s with the K1EL K44 CW Keyboard unit?.....Many 
thanks and all stay well....Neil   N4FN

From rick at tavan.com  Mon Apr 26 19:33:51 2021
From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 16:33:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Revised eHam K4 Review Back Up
Message-ID: <CANVONAL2JwH4o5T1kRRt11n34Gzt88xfN57XzB8uQr4fZ8U2rg@mail.gmail.com>

I fixed a few inaccuracies and added a bit on user interface in my K4
review on eHam. It's back up now.

/Rick N6XI

--

Rick Tavan
Truckee and Saratoga, CA

From k5atg.aaron at gmail.com  Mon Apr 26 19:40:29 2021
From: k5atg.aaron at gmail.com (Aaron K5ATG)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 18:40:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Kenwood MC 43S Mic of K2
Message-ID: <CADENs2-cPD-jXw9rdZqB=kksbuRpDRHS3N21tUCH7SMTHBrXNQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have been using a Kenwood MC-43S for my K2. The mic is still in very
good condition but the PTT button has broken. The PTT button that you
press to engage transmit is broken off. The little part that actually
presses the little PTT button is what broke. When I took it apart to
find the fault the part that had broken off was missing so I could not
glue it back together. I was wondering if anyone has an old MC-43S
that is good for parts where I can buy to repair it.
Aaron K5ATG

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Apr 26 22:46:54 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 19:46:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade
In-Reply-To: <9566aad6-0e1c-0e2f-963f-9248e977db3e@kanafi.org>
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On 4/26/2021 7:06 AM, Phil Kane wrote:
> I am looking for a small mixer that will handle two inputs:

Look at Radio Design Labs for something new, or used products from 
Tascam, Mackie, or Yamaha. Also Rane for versions of their products 
built AFTER about 1998 -- in 1995, they made running changes to fix 
their Pin One Problems. They were and are a very good company -- one of 
their engineers was on the initial AES Papers session (led by Neil Muncy 
and Bill Whitlock) in Nov '94 which exposed the Pin One Problem. Their 
engineer did a detailed mea culpa, and what they were doing to fix it.

73, Jim K9YC



From lawresh at woh.rr.com  Mon Apr 26 23:37:52 2021
From: lawresh at woh.rr.com (SteveL)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 23:37:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975
In-Reply-To: <1894251388.343774.1619471568676@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <65EDF803-CD03-463F-9D2E-653173B61D20@woh.rr.com>
	<r480Ps-10146i-B1E30EF63C3D4325A2E821AED300F353@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<1894251388.343774.1619471568676@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <113474BB-83EC-4080-9A63-98C07AE31C99@woh.rr.com>

Sorry,
We are wading through and reminiscing about our early engineering training in the 1960?s and into the 1970?s?

The CRC?  A thick book of tables of computed values.  If you wanted to know the sine of some value?  You could look it up.  The same for logarithm, root, other trig functions, and so forth.  The book was simply hundreds of pages of math function tables.

A PDP-8 (or 11 or?) were early commercial computers produced by Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC).  Design was based on simple IC gates of various types - no microprocessors yet.  Core memory was based on tiny magnetic beads threaded through with sensing and magnetizing wires.  

Disk drives were new in the 60?s and very expensive.  A drive the size of a top loading washing machine only held 300MB in the late 70?s.  As such, storage like punch cards, punched paper tape, and magnetic tape was widely used.  DEC even had a random access tape drive (DEC Tape) that increased utility and speed.

FORTRAN was an early algorithmic programming language that supported equation like statements.  It was well suited for math problems - not general data oriented.  Your program was written on paper cards punched with holes whose pattern represented letters and numbers.  A typewriter like ?card punch? facilitated creating these cards.  Cards were read into the computer when you wanted to run the program.  Program storage was a box you carried your card deck around in.  It all seems so primitive now!

I could not afford the HP35 - my first calculator was a TI (Texas Instruments) SR-10.  This was 4 functions plus square, square root, and reciprocals.  So I carried around the CRC and slide rule as well.  This was replaced by an SR-51 which had full trig functions.  This was the closest we could imagine as a ?personal computer?.  

My station?  Heathkit HR10b receiver and Ameco AC-1.  Novice call signs all included ?N? as the second letter.  Frequency was crystal controlled.

Steve
aa8af
and once upon a time WN8CYL (which I now wish I could have retained somehow)



> On Apr 26, 2021, at 5:12 PM, MIKE ZANE <n6zw at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> What the heck are all those things you guys are talking about?  Mike n6zw
>> On 04/26/2021 11:18 AM Bill Frantz <frantz at pwpconsult.com <mailto:frantz at pwpconsult.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> OK, I can't resist any longer.
>> 
>> On 4/26/21 at 11:33 AM, lawresh at woh.rr.com (SteveL) wrote:
>> 
>>> Who carried around a CRC book of tables of various calculations in lieu of an unaffordable scientific calculator?
>> Yup.
>> 
>>> Or programming FORTRAN on punch cards?
>> Yup. At first on a IBM 650 with a 4 pass compiler, intermediate 
>> storage on punch cards.
>> 
>>> Or PDP-8 on paper tape after toggling in the boot loader through the front panel switches?
>> Sorry, mine was a Varian 620/i (8K of 16 bit words) used for 
>> nodes in a circuit switched data network (Tymnet). :-)
>> 


From douglas.hagerman at me.com  Tue Apr 27 00:37:11 2021
From: douglas.hagerman at me.com (Douglas Hagerman)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 22:37:11 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 parts shipment
Message-ID: <8CF0673B-D21A-426F-BC22-F51D7132DC10@me.com>

FYI I just received an order for a K2 PLL kit that I placed in February. So things are moving!  :-)

Doug, W0UHU


From n6zw at comcast.net  Tue Apr 27 00:37:28 2021
From: n6zw at comcast.net (MIKE ZANE)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 21:37:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975
In-Reply-To: <113474BB-83EC-4080-9A63-98C07AE31C99@woh.rr.com>
References: <65EDF803-CD03-463F-9D2E-653173B61D20@woh.rr.com>
	<r480Ps-10146i-B1E30EF63C3D4325A2E821AED300F353@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<1894251388.343774.1619471568676@connect.xfinity.com>
	<113474BB-83EC-4080-9A63-98C07AE31C99@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1968167887.347997.1619498249023@connect.xfinity.com>

I KNEW that would get a response.  :)  Mike
> On 04/26/2021 8:37 PM SteveL <lawresh at woh.rr.com> wrote:
> 
>  
> Sorry,
> We are wading through and reminiscing about our early engineering training in the 1960?s and into the 1970?s?
> 
> The CRC?  A thick book of tables of computed values.  If you wanted to know the sine of some value?  You could look it up.  The same for logarithm, root, other trig functions, and so forth.  The book was simply hundreds of pages of math function tables.
> 
> A PDP-8 (or 11 or?) were early commercial computers produced by Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC).  Design was based on simple IC gates of various types - no microprocessors yet.  Core memory was based on tiny magnetic beads threaded through with sensing and magnetizing wires.  
> 
> Disk drives were new in the 60?s and very expensive.  A drive the size of a top loading washing machine only held 300MB in the late 70?s.  As such, storage like punch cards, punched paper tape, and magnetic tape was widely used.  DEC even had a random access tape drive (DEC Tape) that increased utility and speed.
> 
> FORTRAN was an early algorithmic programming language that supported equation like statements.  It was well suited for math problems - not general data oriented.  Your program was written on paper cards punched with holes whose pattern represented letters and numbers.  A typewriter like ?card punch? facilitated creating these cards.  Cards were read into the computer when you wanted to run the program.  Program storage was a box you carried your card deck around in.  It all seems so primitive now!
> 
> I could not afford the HP35 - my first calculator was a TI (Texas Instruments) SR-10.  This was 4 functions plus square, square root, and reciprocals.  So I carried around the CRC and slide rule as well.  This was replaced by an SR-51 which had full trig functions.  This was the closest we could imagine as a ?personal computer?.  
> 
> My station?  Heathkit HR10b receiver and Ameco AC-1.  Novice call signs all included ?N? as the second letter.  Frequency was crystal controlled.
> 
> Steve
> aa8af
> and once upon a time WN8CYL (which I now wish I could have retained somehow)
> 
> 
> 
> > On Apr 26, 2021, at 5:12 PM, MIKE ZANE <n6zw at comcast.net> wrote:
> > 
> > What the heck are all those things you guys are talking about?  Mike n6zw
> >> On 04/26/2021 11:18 AM Bill Frantz <frantz at pwpconsult.com <mailto:frantz at pwpconsult.com>> wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> OK, I can't resist any longer.
> >> 
> >> On 4/26/21 at 11:33 AM, lawresh at woh.rr.com (SteveL) wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Who carried around a CRC book of tables of various calculations in lieu of an unaffordable scientific calculator?
> >> Yup.
> >> 
> >>> Or programming FORTRAN on punch cards?
> >> Yup. At first on a IBM 650 with a 4 pass compiler, intermediate 
> >> storage on punch cards.
> >> 
> >>> Or PDP-8 on paper tape after toggling in the boot loader through the front panel switches?
> >> Sorry, mine was a Varian 620/i (8K of 16 bit words) used for 
> >> nodes in a circuit switched data network (Tymnet). :-)
> >> 
> 
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From mikek4qu at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 06:11:13 2021
From: mikek4qu at gmail.com (Mike March)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 06:11:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class
Message-ID: <CA+Z=FC4Sg5EkKz_NiQ-N10c=rJpTnioOP_+XY3VjBj_q1yTOUA@mail.gmail.com>

I took 2 years of Drafting in High School (Engineering and Architecture).
At Virginia Tech (VPI at the time), I took all the Engineering Graphics
courses offered even though I was not an engineering student.

I taught high school drafting for the next 31 years and I now teach
AutoCAD, Inventor and Revit at a community college.

-- 
Michael March
242 Clay Hill Dr.
Winchester, VA  22602
mikek4qu at gmail.com
540-539-8500 cell

From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com  Tue Apr 27 09:50:00 2021
From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 09:50:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Ham Radio near high voltage power lines?
Message-ID: <03de01d73b6c$38295aa0$a87c0fe0$@carolinaheli.com>

Just moved to a new QTH and there are high voltage power lines cutting
across the corner of our property running NW direction. The house is on the
East side of the lines. 

Is it reasonable to expect good operability or is it a wash? I don't want to
go through the troubles if I'll just be frustrated. 

Was looking to do a 60' tower for the high bands (I'll still be below the
lines height wise), multiband vertical (low bands 80/40/30) , and
dipole(80/40). 

Vertical is planned to have 60 or more radials. 

 

Thanks in advance.

Jerry D. Moore aka AE4PB

 


From N4ST at n4st.com  Tue Apr 27 10:03:33 2021
From: N4ST at n4st.com (N4ST - Jim)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 10:03:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Ham Radio near high voltage power lines?
In-Reply-To: <03de01d73b6c$38295aa0$a87c0fe0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <03de01d73b6c$38295aa0$a87c0fe0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <000001d73b6e$1d9033b0$58b09b10$@n4st.com>

Jerry,

I'm sure you can make something work.  I used to have HV power lines about
150 yards from my house.
It was only a problem during rain/snow/fog with conduction across the
insulators.
I had a cubical quad and could identify the offending pole and could
likewise null out the noise.
Oddly, I don't recall there being a problem on the 80m or 40m dipoles.
You could always do a quick noise check with a mobile HF rig or a handheld
AM shortwave receiver.

__________ 
73,
Jim - N4ST

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From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of ae4pb at carolinaheli.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 09:50
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Ham Radio near high voltage power lines?

Just moved to a new QTH and there are high voltage power lines cutting
across the corner of our property running NW direction. The house is on the
East side of the lines. 

Is it reasonable to expect good operability or is it a wash? I don't want to
go through the troubles if I'll just be frustrated. 

Was looking to do a 60' tower for the high bands (I'll still be below the
lines height wise), multiband vertical (low bands 80/40/30) , and
dipole(80/40). 

Vertical is planned to have 60 or more radials. 

 

Thanks in advance.

Jerry D. Moore aka AE4PB

 

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From dave at nk7z.net  Tue Apr 27 10:16:58 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 07:16:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Ham Radio near high voltage power lines?
In-Reply-To: <000001d73b6e$1d9033b0$58b09b10$@n4st.com>
References: <03de01d73b6c$38295aa0$a87c0fe0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<000001d73b6e$1d9033b0$58b09b10$@n4st.com>
Message-ID: <0fe347be-6e98-c39f-a443-30aaaec81e95@nk7z.net>

Or use a tinySA, and take a look at entire bands at one time...  I have 
found that the tinySA is a real assist in correlating RFI sources.  See:

https://www.nk7z.net/

to get to my base page, or

https://www.nk7z.net/tinysa/

to go directly to the article.

At the end of the tinySA article is a photo of my 80 Meter RFI, as 
viewed by a tinySA, and a 6BTV with 40 radials, ground mounted.  The 
source is 4 blocks from the antenna.  This will give you an idea of what 
you will be able to do with the tinySA RFI wise.

...and to keep it Elecraft related, I will be connecting my tinySA to 
the RX out jack on the K3.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 4/27/21 7:03 AM, N4ST - Jim wrote:
> Jerry,
> 
> I'm sure you can make something work.  I used to have HV power lines about
> 150 yards from my house.
> It was only a problem during rain/snow/fog with conduction across the
> insulators.
> I had a cubical quad and could identify the offending pole and could
> likewise null out the noise.
> Oddly, I don't recall there being a problem on the 80m or 40m dipoles.
> You could always do a quick noise check with a mobile HF rig or a handheld
> AM shortwave receiver.
> 
> __________
> 73,
> Jim - N4ST
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
> Behalf Of ae4pb at carolinaheli.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 09:50
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Ham Radio near high voltage power lines?
> 
> Just moved to a new QTH and there are high voltage power lines cutting
> across the corner of our property running NW direction. The house is on the
> East side of the lines.
> 
> Is it reasonable to expect good operability or is it a wash? I don't want to
> go through the troubles if I'll just be frustrated.
> 
> Was looking to do a 60' tower for the high bands (I'll still be below the
> lines height wise), multiband vertical (low bands 80/40/30) , and
> dipole(80/40).
> 
> Vertical is planned to have 60 or more radials.
> 
>   
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Jerry D. Moore aka AE4PB
> 
>   
> 
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From n4zr at comcast.net  Tue Apr 27 10:28:06 2021
From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 10:28:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Ham Radio near high voltage power lines?
In-Reply-To: <000001d73b6e$1d9033b0$58b09b10$@n4st.com>
References: <03de01d73b6c$38295aa0$a87c0fe0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<000001d73b6e$1d9033b0$58b09b10$@n4st.com>
Message-ID: <d1dfae47-88b4-9d22-7d7a-7db6fe172ae7@comcast.net>

I recall reading on the RFI reflector that HV transmission lines are 
rarely a problem, or at least not for long, because power companies lose 
real money when power leaked, so they had a strong incentive to repair 
problems as soon as possible.

I have two 500 kv transmission lines that run beyond the entire west 
edge of my property about 200 feet away, and a 7500-volt secondary 
distribution line in an easement right on the property line. Initially I 
thought one or both was giving me trouble, but I took a 136-MHz DF rig 
out there and established, to my satisfaction, that the transmission and 
the distribution line were not the problem.? At least in this vicinity, 
a far bigger problem is old distribution hardware - transformers, 
lightning arrestors and so on, which the power company plans to attack 
wholesale next week.? It will be interesting!

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
web server at <http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

On 4/27/2021 10:03 AM, N4ST - Jim wrote:
> Jerry,
>
> I'm sure you can make something work.  I used to have HV power lines about
> 150 yards from my house.
> It was only a problem during rain/snow/fog with conduction across the
> insulators.
> I had a cubical quad and could identify the offending pole and could
> likewise null out the noise.
> Oddly, I don't recall there being a problem on the 80m or 40m dipoles.
> You could always do a quick noise check with a mobile HF rig or a handheld
> AM shortwave receiver.
>
> __________
> 73,
> Jim - N4ST
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
> Behalf Of ae4pb at carolinaheli.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 09:50
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Ham Radio near high voltage power lines?
>
> Just moved to a new QTH and there are high voltage power lines cutting
> across the corner of our property running NW direction. The house is on the
> East side of the lines.
>
> Is it reasonable to expect good operability or is it a wash? I don't want to
> go through the troubles if I'll just be frustrated.
>
> Was looking to do a 60' tower for the high bands (I'll still be below the
> lines height wise), multiband vertical (low bands 80/40/30) , and
> dipole(80/40).
>
> Vertical is planned to have 60 or more radials.
>
>   
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Jerry D. Moore aka AE4PB
>
>   
>
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From w8lvn.9 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 11:21:04 2021
From: w8lvn.9 at gmail.com (Bill Lederer)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 10:21:04 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Ham Radio near high voltage power lines?
In-Reply-To: <03de01d73b6c$38295aa0$a87c0fe0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <03de01d73b6c$38295aa0$a87c0fe0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <CADF0M0NcBLvO+1LETpueSXhNaigt0vmRoRYsr3XJNzakuJKfiQ@mail.gmail.com>

Here is a shot of my QTH back when I lived in Lake Forest:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/110+W+Old+Elm+Rd,+Lake+Forest,+IL+60045/@42.2181966,-87.8488795,338m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x880feaa987ea773f:0x8c16ace134e48f27!8m2!3d42.2183734!4d-87.849711

You can see the shadows of the huge HV power lines on the right side, just
short of Skokie Valley Road.

I had three monobanders at 50 feet and did not notice any noise.

Here is a shot of how big those lines are:
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2180154,-87.8468206,3a,75y,90h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAMtRit9ZqO-_sQ2LgMvYrg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DAMtRit9ZqO-_sQ2LgMvYrg%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D186.00862%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192


w8lvn


On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 8:50 AM <ae4pb at carolinaheli.com> wrote:

> Just moved to a new QTH and there are high voltage power lines cutting
> across the corner of our property running NW direction. The house is on the
> East side of the lines.
>
> Is it reasonable to expect good operability or is it a wash? I don't want
> to
> go through the troubles if I'll just be frustrated.
>
> Was looking to do a 60' tower for the high bands (I'll still be below the
> lines height wise), multiband vertical (low bands 80/40/30) , and
> dipole(80/40).
>
> Vertical is planned to have 60 or more radials.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Jerry D. Moore aka AE4PB
>
>
>
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From etksubs at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 12:09:00 2021
From: etksubs at gmail.com (Erik Tkal)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 12:09:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft T1 and ICOM IC-705
In-Reply-To: <CABEmK+4=Zt_b6138QQ+mawaomwu+jFeP=XRg8F+4NQ9ptpoGWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABmD_KQJ+p7zQZMck2YUAVZtr+JrNjZHH3PVW=3gST4Mo+QR2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<DF6AC1A7-1D8A-4720-AEB6-D960249384A5@elecraft.com>
	<CABEmK+4=Zt_b6138QQ+mawaomwu+jFeP=XRg8F+4NQ9ptpoGWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <97625957-1012-4348-AF0D-49FD561F9D63@gmail.com>

Did you ever get your T1?  I ordered a T1-K kit on 5 April, shipping status showed in stock (which is why I ordered the kit), but didn?t get a ship confirmation, though my card was charged the next day ($232 including tax and shipping).  Then the status on the page showed ESD 8 April, even for the next week.  Now it shows no ESD, even though I actually paid for it three weeks ago? :-(

  73, Erik W1QED
  


On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:42, David Patino <dave at onitap.com> wrote:

Will there be in changes needed to the T1 itself? I have one on back order.
If it'll need any changes I'd rather wait for it to be updated before I get
it.

Also, any update on their status? Website still says ESD 1/25.

73 - Dave - N9PBJ

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 9:28 AM Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com <mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com>> wrote:

> Hi Bj?rn,
> 
> The T1 ATU is ideal for use with low-power transceivers. While it can be
> used manually in all cases, we offer an adapter for the FT-817 that tracks
> that rig?s band changes, and we?re testing a version for the IC-705. This
> is the result of a collaboration, details of which will be provided in the
> product announcement.
> 
> Our adapter is housed in a custom enclosure that measures only 2.5 x 1.2 x
> 0.4?.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> ----
> elecraft.com
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2021, at 12:48 AM, Bj?rn Ekelund <bjorn at ekelund.nu> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Thinking entirely egoistic, I think Elecraft should manufacture this
> great
>> design as an option to the equally great T1.
>> Elecraft T1 controller (T1con) with extremely low energy consumption!:
>> ???????????? (cocolog-nifty.com)
>> <https://amateur-radio.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/2021/01/post-7d1c42.html>
>> 
>> Bj?rn SM7IUN
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From doug at k0dxv.com  Tue Apr 27 12:57:31 2021
From: doug at k0dxv.com (Doug Person)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 10:57:31 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975
In-Reply-To: <963290812.599054.1619468356400@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <446876765.3335.1619247327549@wamui-jelly.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<65EDF803-CD03-463F-9D2E-653173B61D20@woh.rr.com>
	<963290812.599054.1619468356400@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <bd85a75a-8831-4ca1-8070-4e4b24e56805@k0dxv.com>

Fascinating walk through the past. I took mechanical drawing in my 
freshman year. Our high school was 4 years and no junior high. 
Mechanical drawing was by far my favorite class. I learned a lot about 
dimensions, angles, areas - basic geometry. It made math make sense.

My first novice station in 1962 was a Halicrafters S38E receiver which 
was terrible and a one-tube transmitter built from salvaged TV parts 
that was in the 1962 ARRL Handbook - which I still have complete with 
burn marks when I dropped the soldering iron on it. ? My father gave me 
a Lafayette HE-10 receiver for Christmas that year. It was much better.

Ham radio and my familiarity with electronic circuits led me to a class 
in Autocoder, an assembly language for an IBM computer from the 60's. I 
don't recall what model. But - bits and bytes made perfect sense because 
to me they were just a series of switches and the logic of ANDs, ORs, 
XORs, etc were easy for me to visualize. I just thought of current 
making its way through a matrix of on or off switches. I proceeded to 
take ever computer class offered in that community college.

Although there have been many working titles for someone who writes 
code, and I've had about a dozen, I've always been proud to call myself 
a computer programmer. Nothing more and nothing less.

73, Doug -- K0DXV

On 4/26/2021 2:19 PM, John Saxon via Elecraft wrote:
>   I have greatly enjoyed the memory fest here.? Wasn't going to join in, but, Steve, your email really hit close to home.? I replied to Steve, intended for whole group.
>
> Took 'Mechanical Drawing' in Jr. high, loved it.? Also had drawing classes (course also included slide rule) first semester of college.
>
> I was a co-op student in EE and worked for NASA 1962-1967.? I was placed in a software group, kinda out of my degree, but I liked it and spent my career as a Software Engineer (in the day we were called 'programmers.')
> I was greatly blessed to be working at NASA at the beginning of operations in Houston.? The first computer I worked on was an IBM 7094, 32K of 36 bit words, 2 microsecond cycle time, mag tape OS, no disk.? We were located in what had been the PBS TV studio on the University of Houston campus, reworked to be a computer center - the space center (MSC) was under construction.? Languages were FORTRAN II, assembly (FAP) and eventually FORTRAN IV and assembly.? Punch cards of course.
> Slide rules indeed!? However, we also had a Friden mechanical calculator which could do square roots!!
>
> Ham rig at the time was a homebrew 6AU6-6146 from a QST article and Hallicrafters S-19R with Heathkit Q multiplier, dipole on 40m cw.
> As you, Steve, indicated I could not afford the HP 'digital slide rule' -- bought the TI version about a year later for a cost 1/2 of the HP, used it for years.? Still have my K&E DECI-LON (and a B-29? 'Load Adjuster' slide rule from WWII).
> I remember all the items you mentioned.
> Finally (at last) I often tell younger folks (I am 77) that they have orders of magnitude more power in their cell phones than we had in our gigantic computers -- BUT -- we put men on the moon with 'em.
> Sorry for the wide bandwidth,73,John? K5ENQ
>
>
>
>      On Monday, April 26, 2021, 10:36:33 AM CDT, SteveL <lawresh at woh.rr.com> wrote:
>   
>   I envied a friend in a EE program and the University of Cincinnati.? He had the first HP-35 I?d ever seen the year it was introduced (1972), but it was way out of my budget as a new freshman studying Engineering.
>
> A couple of months after my friend acquired the HP-35, to my fascination he received a letter from HP detailing a list of obscure calculations the device performed in error (the tangent of 98.2352?, etc.) .? The letter went on to describe that these were determined and then verified by computer simulation of the computational algorithms used internally - a concept new to this budding engineer.? And, if he returned the calculator, it would be repaired and corrected.
>
> And to think we basically flew to the moon on a slide rule?? Who could ever imagine a computer that could fit into one room?? (Paraphrasing a line from early in the Apollo 13 movie.)
>
> Who carried around a CRC book of tables of various calculations in lieu of an unaffordable scientific calculator?
> Or programming FORTRAN on punch cards?
> Or PDP-8 on paper tape after toggling in the boot loader through the front panel switches?
>
> We?ve come a long way!? I love the reminiscences?
>
> Steve
> aa8af
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From john at kk9a.com  Tue Apr 27 13:15:18 2021
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 12:15:18 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Ham Radio near high voltage power lines?
Message-ID: <20210427121518.Horde.65-ATFqSDUTUfxxDFgf8JmM@www11.qth.com>

Probably more RFI will come from neighboring homes but it's easy to  
check with a receiver before installing your tower. If there is noise  
from faulty power line hardware the power company will fix it.

GL
John KK9A



ae4pb wrote:
Just moved to a new QTH and there are high voltage power lines cutting
across the corner of our property running NW direction. The house is on the
East side of the lines.

Is it reasonable to expect good operability or is it a wash? I don't want to
go through the troubles if I'll just be frustrated.

Was looking to do a 60' tower for the high bands (I'll still be below the
lines height wise), multiband vertical (low bands 80/40/30) , and
dipole(80/40).

Vertical is planned to have 60 or more radials.



Thanks in advance.

Jerry D. Moore aka AE4PB


From alan at wilcoxengineering.com  Tue Apr 27 13:23:30 2021
From: alan at wilcoxengineering.com (Alan D. Wilcox)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 13:23:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3][K2][K1] Legacy Update, Tuneup, Rescue,
	Build Services
Message-ID: <d3313f46-c44f-70d3-7482-83a541d55f59@wilcoxengineering.com>

 ????????????????? "W3DVX Rescues Legacy Elecrafts"

Hello,

Now doing K3 updating mods to legacy K3's. See list of updates you might 
want at
https://elecraft.com/pages/mods-notes-alerts? (Click on "Retired Products")

Does your K1 or K2 need repair? Tuneup?
Want to sell, but it needs some attention before offering it for sale?
In addition to tuning your rig, I can also rescue a building project you 
might have started some time ago.

See what my clients have said about my construction and service work at 
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6768
Photos of the popular "Twins" -- the KPA100 and KAT100 in EC2 enclosure 
-- are at
https://wilcoxengineering.com/kpa100-in-ec2/

Cheers,
Alan

Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX (K2-5373, K3-40)
570-916-9590 (cell, text)
http://amazon.com/author/alandwilcox
Williamsport, PA 17701


From n6zw at comcast.net  Tue Apr 27 13:32:31 2021
From: n6zw at comcast.net (MIKE ZANE)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 10:32:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Ham Radio near high voltage power lines?
In-Reply-To: <20210427121518.Horde.65-ATFqSDUTUfxxDFgf8JmM@www11.qth.com>
References: <20210427121518.Horde.65-ATFqSDUTUfxxDFgf8JmM@www11.qth.com>
Message-ID: <1496306553.350019.1619544751864@connect.xfinity.com>

Just be glad all you guys checking power lines don't live in CA with PG&E. For sure. Mike n6zw
> On 04/27/2021 10:15 AM john at kk9a.com wrote:
> 
>  
> Probably more RFI will come from neighboring homes but it's easy to  
> check with a receiver before installing your tower. If there is noise  
> from faulty power line hardware the power company will fix it.
> 
> GL
> John KK9A
> 
> 
> 
> ae4pb wrote:
> Just moved to a new QTH and there are high voltage power lines cutting
> across the corner of our property running NW direction. The house is on the
> East side of the lines.
> 
> Is it reasonable to expect good operability or is it a wash? I don't want to
> go through the troubles if I'll just be frustrated.
> 
> Was looking to do a 60' tower for the high bands (I'll still be below the
> lines height wise), multiband vertical (low bands 80/40/30) , and
> dipole(80/40).
> 
> Vertical is planned to have 60 or more radials.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Jerry D. Moore aka AE4PB
> 
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From wa6vab at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 13:41:22 2021
From: wa6vab at gmail.com (Ray)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 10:41:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3][K2][K1] Legacy Update, Tuneup, Rescue,
 Build Services
In-Reply-To: <d3313f46-c44f-70d3-7482-83a541d55f59@wilcoxengineering.com>
References: <d3313f46-c44f-70d3-7482-83a541d55f59@wilcoxengineering.com>
Message-ID: <60884cc2.1c69fb81.cfcf2.936a@mx.google.com>

Is this an Advertisement ?  


From: Alan D. Wilcox
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 10:23 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3][K2][K1] Legacy Update, Tuneup, Rescue, Build Services

 ????????????????? "W3DVX Rescues Legacy Elecrafts"

Hello,

Now doing K3 updating mods to legacy K3's. See list of updates you might 
want at
https://elecraft.com/pages/mods-notes-alerts? (Click on "Retired Products")

Does your K1 or K2 need repair? Tuneup?
Want to sell, but it needs some attention before offering it for sale?
In addition to tuning your rig, I can also rescue a building project you 
might have started some time ago.

See what my clients have said about my construction and service work at 
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6768
Photos of the popular "Twins" -- the KPA100 and KAT100 in EC2 enclosure 
-- are at
https://wilcoxengineering.com/kpa100-in-ec2/

Cheers,
Alan

Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX (K2-5373, K3-40)
570-916-9590 (cell, text)
http://amazon.com/author/alandwilcox
Williamsport, PA 17701

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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Apr 27 14:33:24 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 11:33:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3][K2][K1] Legacy Update, Tuneup, Rescue,
 Build Services
In-Reply-To: <60884cc2.1c69fb81.cfcf2.936a@mx.google.com>
References: <d3313f46-c44f-70d3-7482-83a541d55f59@wilcoxengineering.com>
	<60884cc2.1c69fb81.cfcf2.936a@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <1131173f-95f3-88e8-19ab-8b01850afc48@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 4/27/2021 10:41 AM, Ray wrote:
> Is this an Advertisement ?

It is an offer of services, long an accepted practice on this reflector.

73, Jim K9YC

From alan at wilcoxengineering.com  Tue Apr 27 14:49:50 2021
From: alan at wilcoxengineering.com (Alan D. Wilcox)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 14:49:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3][K2][K1] Legacy Update, Tuneup, Rescue,
 Build Services
In-Reply-To: <1131173f-95f3-88e8-19ab-8b01850afc48@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <d3313f46-c44f-70d3-7482-83a541d55f59@wilcoxengineering.com>
	<60884cc2.1c69fb81.cfcf2.936a@mx.google.com>
	<1131173f-95f3-88e8-19ab-8b01850afc48@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <a5f68e4a-0d4e-0cc9-5c3a-d58deeb37ed8@wilcoxengineering.com>

Thanks, Jim; I appreciate your support.? :)

Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX (K2-5373, K3-40, SKCC 22955)
570-916-9590 (cell, text)
https://WilcoxEngineering.com
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6768 ... Elecraft Client Comments
http://amazon.com/author/alandwilcox
Williamsport, PA 17701

On 4/27/21 14:33, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 4/27/2021 10:41 AM, Ray wrote:
>> Is this an Advertisement ?
>
> It is an offer of services, long an accepted practice on this reflector.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
> ______________________________________________________________
>

From k6mr at outlook.com  Tue Apr 27 14:58:20 2021
From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 18:58:20 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Ham Radio near high voltage power lines?
In-Reply-To: <1496306553.350019.1619544751864@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <20210427121518.Horde.65-ATFqSDUTUfxxDFgf8JmM@www11.qth.com>,
	<1496306553.350019.1619544751864@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR07MB6214239C9929A31AE5F68D409E419@BYAPR07MB6214.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

?Just be glad all you guys checking power lines don't live in CA with PG&E.?

It took me several years to finally crack the bureaucracy at PG&E.  The closer you get to the repair techs/linemen, the better it gets.  Usually one or two PUC complaints will get you in contact with the local ?noise? guy, who doesn?t work in the same division as the power guys.  He is ?communications?.  Turned out my noise guy?s office was only a few miles from my house.  But they keep them a secret.

Now getting a lineman out is pretty easy, and they are the easiest to work with.  Tell them which pole is making noise and they go to work.

Ken K6MR


From: MIKE ZANE<mailto:n6zw at comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 10:33
To: john at kk9a.com<mailto:john at kk9a.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Ham Radio near high voltage power lines?

Just be glad all you guys checking power lines don't live in CA with PG&E. For sure. Mike n6zw
> On 04/27/2021 10:15 AM john at kk9a.com wrote:
>
>
> Probably more RFI will come from neighboring homes but it's easy to
> check with a receiver before installing your tower. If there is noise
> from faulty power line hardware the power company will fix it.
>
> GL
> John KK9A
>
>
>
> ae4pb wrote:
> Just moved to a new QTH and there are high voltage power lines cutting
> across the corner of our property running NW direction. The house is on the
> East side of the lines.
>
> Is it reasonable to expect good operability or is it a wash? I don't want to
> go through the troubles if I'll just be frustrated.
>
> Was looking to do a 60' tower for the high bands (I'll still be below the
> lines height wise), multiband vertical (low bands 80/40/30) , and
> dipole(80/40).
>
> Vertical is planned to have 60 or more radials.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Jerry D. Moore aka AE4PB
>
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From lawresh at woh.rr.com  Tue Apr 27 15:28:19 2021
From: lawresh at woh.rr.com (SteveL)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 15:28:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade
In-Reply-To: <9566aad6-0e1c-0e2f-963f-9248e977db3e@kanafi.org>
References: <CAKCPGdpUeGnY_a1HF_=J8sx6ji=QJsHSh7qBq6BaqQLLThi7iQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<MWHPR16MB16946304EE4510908EBDA312B4459@MWHPR16MB1694.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<7bfbc278-e173-2d21-e134-5ba1faafa84c@gmail.com>
	<ce3b7856-2263-be1a-2a7f-4095a7092cd3@w3fpr.com>
	<9566aad6-0e1c-0e2f-963f-9248e977db3e@kanafi.org>
Message-ID: <8B00F903-7457-4221-83BA-052C3AB517D8@woh.rr.com>

Search ?bluetooth mixer? on Amazon - there are several possibilities depending on the specific details of your application.

One such example:
https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Wireless-Audio-Mixer-Controller/dp/B08JH7L8D9/ <https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Wireless-Audio-Mixer-Controller/dp/B08JH7L8D9/>

Steve
aa8af

> On Apr 26, 2021, at 10:06 AM, Phil Kane <k2asp at kanafi.org> wrote:
> 
> Really OT but where else can I ask and get good replies?
> 
> I am looking for a small mixer that will handle two inputs:  the wired low-level audio output from my computer as well as a blue-tooth connection to my HT.  I have a pair of small amplified speakers that do a good job on the computer output. I can find several blue-tooth "receivers" that would do that job except that they don't have a second input.  I'm not in any shape to build a mixer - it has to be plug-and-play.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 


From josh at voodoolab.com  Tue Apr 27 15:32:55 2021
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 12:32:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Ham Radio near high voltage power lines?
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR07MB6214239C9929A31AE5F68D409E419@BYAPR07MB6214.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR07MB6214239C9929A31AE5F68D409E419@BYAPR07MB6214.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <26B97E8C-748D-48A5-BB7A-F79B802D873B@voodoolab.com>

If it?s something a lineman can fix, that?s easy and you?re home free. In my case the problems were usually either old style insulators, or just an ancient pole that needs to be rebuilt. That requires at least a 2-man crew so work needs to be scheduled. Getting on the schedule can drag out. You?re 100% right, a PUC complaint will get things moving. 

I didn?t find the noise guy to be super helpful. Just as easy for me to ID the pole and have a lineman write it up. They were already aware which hardware was old junk. I think my noise/comm guy retired. Maybe same guy you had. 

73
Josh W6XU

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 27, 2021, at 11:59 AM, Ken K6MR <k6mr at outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> ??Just be glad all you guys checking power lines don't live in CA with PG&E.?
> 
> It took me several years to finally crack the bureaucracy at PG&E.  The closer you get to the repair techs/linemen, the better it gets.  Usually one or two PUC complaints will get you in contact with the local ?noise? guy, who doesn?t work in the same division as the power guys.  He is ?communications?.  Turned out my noise guy?s office was only a few miles from my house.  But they keep them a secret.
> 
> Now getting a lineman out is pretty easy, and they are the easiest to work with.  Tell them which pole is making noise and they go to work.
> 
> Ken K6MR
> 
> 
> From: MIKE ZANE<mailto:n6zw at comcast.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 10:33
> To: john at kk9a.com<mailto:john at kk9a.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Ham Radio near high voltage power lines?
> 
> Just be glad all you guys checking power lines don't live in CA with PG&E. For sure. Mike n6zw
>> On 04/27/2021 10:15 AM john at kk9a.com wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Probably more RFI will come from neighboring homes but it's easy to
>> check with a receiver before installing your tower. If there is noise
>> from faulty power line hardware the power company will fix it.
>> 
>> GL
>> John KK9A
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ae4pb wrote:
>> Just moved to a new QTH and there are high voltage power lines cutting
>> across the corner of our property running NW direction. The house is on the
>> East side of the lines.
>> 
>> Is it reasonable to expect good operability or is it a wash? I don't want to
>> go through the troubles if I'll just be frustrated.
>> 
>> Was looking to do a 60' tower for the high bands (I'll still be below the
>> lines height wise), multiband vertical (low bands 80/40/30) , and
>> dipole(80/40).
>> 
>> Vertical is planned to have 60 or more radials.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> Jerry D. Moore aka AE4PB
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From raysills3 at verizon.net  Tue Apr 27 15:35:38 2021
From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Raymond Sills)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 19:35:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade
In-Reply-To: <8B00F903-7457-4221-83BA-052C3AB517D8@woh.rr.com>
References: <CAKCPGdpUeGnY_a1HF_=J8sx6ji=QJsHSh7qBq6BaqQLLThi7iQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<MWHPR16MB16946304EE4510908EBDA312B4459@MWHPR16MB1694.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<7bfbc278-e173-2d21-e134-5ba1faafa84c@gmail.com>
	<ce3b7856-2263-be1a-2a7f-4095a7092cd3@w3fpr.com>
	<9566aad6-0e1c-0e2f-963f-9248e977db3e@kanafi.org>
	<8B00F903-7457-4221-83BA-052C3AB517D8@woh.rr.com>
Message-ID: <469264653.1826260.1619552138469@mail.yahoo.com>

I'd still prefer the Mackie Mix5. ? ?Same price, 1-day free shipping... more features, and it's just a mixer, not an interface. ?And it has a metal chassis.
73 de Ray ? ?
K2ULR

-----Original Message-----
From: SteveL <lawresh at woh.rr.com>
To: k2asp at arrl.net
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tue, Apr 27, 2021 3:28 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade

Search ?bluetooth mixer? on Amazon - there are several possibilities depending on the specific details of your application.

One such example:
https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Wireless-Audio-Mixer-Controller/dp/B08JH7L8D9/ <https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Wireless-Audio-Mixer-Controller/dp/B08JH7L8D9/>

Steve
aa8af

> On Apr 26, 2021, at 10:06 AM, Phil Kane <k2asp at kanafi.org> wrote:
> 
> Really OT but where else can I ask and get good replies?
> 
> I am looking for a small mixer that will handle two inputs:? the wired low-level audio output from my computer as well as a blue-tooth connection to my HT.? I have a pair of small amplified speakers that do a good job on the computer output. I can find several blue-tooth "receivers" that would do that job except that they don't have a second input.? I'm not in any shape to build a mixer - it has to be plug-and-play.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 

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From kwroberson at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 27 16:19:57 2021
From: kwroberson at yahoo.com (Ken Roberson)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 20:19:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] XV-432 Xverter
References: <425259288.938861.1619554797206.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <425259288.938861.1619554797206@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello All,
Looking for a nice XV-432 at a reasonable price, My emailaddress is good on QRZ.

Thanks Ken K5DNL


From n0tt1 at juno.com  Tue Apr 27 18:22:46 2021
From: n0tt1 at juno.com (n0tt1 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 22:22:46 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class
Message-ID: <AABSJTEUKAVTQYYS@smtpout02.vgs.untd.com>

OK, so I gotta chime in and tell this brief story....
Circa 1958, HS mechanical drawing class.  Some kid
was screwing off.  Distruptive!  Mr Gersic, went back to the kid,
picked him up off his stool by the seat of his pants/belt with one hand,
the other
on his shoulder, and carried him out door.  Never saw the kid in class
again!!  :D)

Charlie, N0TT


From eseeliger at earthlink.net  Tue Apr 27 20:37:43 2021
From: eseeliger at earthlink.net (Edward Seeliger)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 19:37:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] T1 and IC705 interface
Message-ID: <ADA77521-F592-4585-BF7B-00D7EE52E1D4@earthlink.net>

Is there any update information about the availability of the T1 to IC705 interface?
Edd KD5M

Sent from my iPad

From radiok4ia at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 21:38:59 2021
From: radiok4ia at gmail.com (Buck)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:38:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class
In-Reply-To: <AABSJTEUKAVTQYYS@smtpout02.vgs.untd.com>
References: <AABSJTEUKAVTQYYS@smtpout02.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <5d8cbe20-cddd-cbcb-b8e1-3a266f11660c@Gmail.com>

In those days, there was no such thing as ADHD.  You got whacked on the 
back of the head until you paid attention.

k4ia, Buck
K3s# 11497
Honor Roll  8B DXCC
EasyWayHamBooks.com

On 4/27/2021 6:22 PM, n0tt1 at juno.com wrote:
> OK, so I gotta chime in and tell this brief story....
> Circa 1958, HS mechanical drawing class.  Some kid
> was screwing off.  Distruptive!  Mr Gersic, went back to the kid,
> picked him up off his stool by the seat of his pants/belt with one hand,
> the other
> on his shoulder, and carried him out door.  Never saw the kid in class
> again!!  :D)
> 
> Charlie, N0TT
> 
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From infomet at embarqmail.com  Tue Apr 27 22:00:41 2021
From: infomet at embarqmail.com (Wilson Lamb)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 22:00:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Ham Radio Near HV Power Lines
Message-ID: <1156265216.9964938.1619575241762.JavaMail.zimbra@embarqmail.com>

The imagination runs wild...shunt feed a power pylon on 160m!
Midnight climb?
Bribery of lineman.
Inconspicuous coupling box in the bushes or underground.
Near invisible? wire going up to feed point.
Couple some RF to the power lines?
How long would the coax be?
An idle mind is the devil's workshop!
WL
 

From k6mr at outlook.com  Tue Apr 27 22:01:39 2021
From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 02:01:39 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Ham Radio near high voltage power lines?
In-Reply-To: <26B97E8C-748D-48A5-BB7A-F79B802D873B@voodoolab.com>
References: <BYAPR07MB6214239C9929A31AE5F68D409E419@BYAPR07MB6214.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>,
	<26B97E8C-748D-48A5-BB7A-F79B802D873B@voodoolab.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR07MB62143291FBEF066057260F9E9E419@BYAPR07MB6214.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Yes, the ?noise guy? is only useful for making contact with the linemen.  The one up here really does not want to be bothered.  Once I convinced him that I knew what I was doing he just passed on the info to the scheduler.

All of my problems so far have been simple items.  Lightning suppressors seem to be a big problem up here.  One lineman told me they changed vendors to a new style and he?s seen quite a few go bad.

My noise guy is still around, office in Cottonwood, just south of here.  Friendly enough, and does help the process move forward.

Ken K6MR

From: Josh Fiden<mailto:josh at voodoolab.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 12:32
To: Ken K6MR<mailto:k6mr at outlook.com>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Ham Radio near high voltage power lines?

If it?s something a lineman can fix, that?s easy and you?re home free. In my case the problems were usually either old style insulators, or just an ancient pole that needs to be rebuilt. That requires at least a 2-man crew so work needs to be scheduled. Getting on the schedule can drag out. You?re 100% right, a PUC complaint will get things moving.

I didn?t find the noise guy to be super helpful. Just as easy for me to ID the pole and have a lineman write it up. They were already aware which hardware was old junk. I think my noise/comm guy retired. Maybe same guy you had.

73
Josh W6XU

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 27, 2021, at 11:59 AM, Ken K6MR <k6mr at outlook.com> wrote:
>
> ??Just be glad all you guys checking power lines don't live in CA with PG&E.?
>
> It took me several years to finally crack the bureaucracy at PG&E.  The closer you get to the repair techs/linemen, the better it gets.  Usually one or two PUC complaints will get you in contact with the local ?noise? guy, who doesn?t work in the same division as the power guys.  He is ?communications?.  Turned out my noise guy?s office was only a few miles from my house.  But they keep them a secret.
>
> Now getting a lineman out is pretty easy, and they are the easiest to work with.  Tell them which pole is making noise and they go to work.
>
> Ken K6MR
>
>
> From: MIKE ZANE<mailto:n6zw at comcast.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 10:33
> To: john at kk9a.com<mailto:john at kk9a.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Ham Radio near high voltage power lines?
>
> Just be glad all you guys checking power lines don't live in CA with PG&E. For sure. Mike n6zw
>> On 04/27/2021 10:15 AM john at kk9a.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> Probably more RFI will come from neighboring homes but it's easy to
>> check with a receiver before installing your tower. If there is noise
>> from faulty power line hardware the power company will fix it.
>>
>> GL
>> John KK9A
>>
>>
>>
>> ae4pb wrote:
>> Just moved to a new QTH and there are high voltage power lines cutting
>> across the corner of our property running NW direction. The house is on the
>> East side of the lines.
>>
>> Is it reasonable to expect good operability or is it a wash? I don't want to
>> go through the troubles if I'll just be frustrated.
>>
>> Was looking to do a 60' tower for the high bands (I'll still be below the
>> lines height wise), multiband vertical (low bands 80/40/30) , and
>> dipole(80/40).
>>
>> Vertical is planned to have 60 or more radials.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Jerry D. Moore aka AE4PB
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From k2asp at kanafi.org  Tue Apr 27 22:17:11 2021
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 19:17:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class
In-Reply-To: <AABSJTEUKAVTQYYS@smtpout02.vgs.untd.com>
References: <AABSJTEUKAVTQYYS@smtpout02.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <7ba3d822-9a6d-dada-87a0-ef8686a5e218@kanafi.org>

On 4/27/2021 3:22 PM, n0tt1 at juno.com wrote:

> OK, so I gotta chime in and tell this brief story.... Circa 1958, HS
> mechanical drawing class.  Some kid was screwing off.  Distruptive!
> Mr Gersic, went back to the kid, picked him up off his stool by the
> seat of his pants/belt with one hand, the other on his shoulder, and
> carried him out door.  Never saw the kid in class again!!  :D)

Try doing that today and the lawsuits will go on until the kid is out of 
college (paid for by the school district, of course).  :)

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon


From weisen123 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 22:53:20 2021
From: weisen123 at gmail.com (neil weisenfeld)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 22:53:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade
In-Reply-To: <469264653.1826260.1619552138469@mail.yahoo.com>
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I couldn?t tell if you wanted native Bluetooth or just something to connect to a Bluetooth dongle.

I have a behringer micro mix mx400 mixer and the matching ha400 mini amp. So I can mix in four inputs and independently control four outputs.  And they run off 12V, so it all gets powered off of my main power supply.

Amazon has them, but I think that they were cheaper from guitar center.  

Neil 





Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 27, 2021, at 3:36 PM, Raymond Sills via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I'd still prefer the Mackie Mix5.    Same price, 1-day free shipping... more features, and it's just a mixer, not an interface.  And it has a metal chassis.
> 73 de Ray    
> K2ULR
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SteveL <lawresh at woh.rr.com>
> To: k2asp at arrl.net
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Tue, Apr 27, 2021 3:28 pm
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade
> 
> Search ?bluetooth mixer? on Amazon - there are several possibilities depending on the specific details of your application.
> 
> One such example:
> https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Wireless-Audio-Mixer-Controller/dp/B08JH7L8D9/ <https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Wireless-Audio-Mixer-Controller/dp/B08JH7L8D9/>
> 
> Steve
> aa8af
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2021, at 10:06 AM, Phil Kane <k2asp at kanafi.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Really OT but where else can I ask and get good replies?
>> 
>> I am looking for a small mixer that will handle two inputs:  the wired low-level audio output from my computer as well as a blue-tooth connection to my HT.  I have a pair of small amplified speakers that do a good job on the computer output. I can find several blue-tooth "receivers" that would do that job except that they don't have a second input.  I'm not in any shape to build a mixer - it has to be plug-and-play.
>> 
>> Any ideas?
>> 
> 
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From n6tv at arrl.net  Tue Apr 27 23:19:10 2021
From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 20:19:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KPA500 question
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB29681500BF47478A6896806C8C439@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29681500BF47478A6896806C8C439@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
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It's not clear why this feature of the KPA500 is a "PITA," since the
majority of users want the rig and the amp. to always be locked to the same
band.  However, I suppose it could be a problem in a station where antenna
switching is all manual rather than automatic.

In that case, one can change the KPA500 "RADIO" menu from "K3" to "BCD",
and now the band buttons will not change the band of the K3 anymore, but
the amp. will still follow band changes made by the K3.

Hope that helps.

73,
Bob, N6TV

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 1:11 PM Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote:

> "FYI, you can still tap the BAND buttons on the KPA500 to change bands on
> the K3, because that uses the AUXBUS line (ACC Pin 2), not the BAND DATA
> lines.  Many folks may have never discovered this cool feature of the
> KPA500 and KPA1500."
>
> I had to write code to put the KPA500 back on the correct band if one of
> these band buttons was accidentally pressed.  I wish there was a way to
> disable them completely.  One person's cool feature is another's PITA.
>
> Andy, k3wyc
>

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Tue Apr 27 23:23:01 2021
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 20:23:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] T1 and IC705 interface
In-Reply-To: <ADA77521-F592-4585-BF7B-00D7EE52E1D4@earthlink.net>
References: <ADA77521-F592-4585-BF7B-00D7EE52E1D4@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <A407C7F7-373B-43C6-884C-060F08DEECC5@elecraft.com>

Hi Edd,

Thanks for asking. It's still in progress, and we'll provide full details when available.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Apr 27, 2021, at 5:37 PM, Edward Seeliger <eseeliger at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Is there any update information about the availability of the T1 to IC705 interface?
> Edd KD5M
> 
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From n6tv at arrl.net  Tue Apr 27 23:28:49 2021
From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 20:28:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KPA500 question
In-Reply-To: <CAOmNKGLnvzG6dOi5=FLZtK_SfXUwGmv2jAD-W67LcYybctWGCQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAOmNKGLnvzG6dOi5=FLZtK_SfXUwGmv2jAD-W67LcYybctWGCQ@mail.gmail.com>
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OTOH, if you change Radio type from K3 to BCD, and have set the K3
menu *CONFIG:PWR-SET
*to *PER-BAND*, the K3 will no longer be able to recognize when a KPA500 or
KPA1500 is switched from STBY to OPER, so there will effectively be just
one fixed drive power setting stored per band, instead of two power
settings (one for amp in OPER and a second for amp in STBY).

73,
Bob, N6TV


On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 8:19 PM Bob Wilson, N6TV <n6tv at arrl.net> wrote:

> It's not clear why this feature of the KPA500 is a "PITA," since the
> majority of users want the rig and the amp. to always be locked to the same
> band.  However, I suppose it could be a problem in a station where antenna
> switching is all manual rather than automatic.
>
> In that case, one can change the KPA500 "RADIO" menu from "K3" to "BCD",
> and now the band buttons will not change the band of the K3 anymore, but
> the amp. will still follow band changes made by the K3.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> 73,
> Bob, N6TV
>
> On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 1:11 PM Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote:
>
>> "FYI, you can still tap the BAND buttons on the KPA500 to change bands on
>> the K3, because that uses the AUXBUS line (ACC Pin 2), not the BAND DATA
>> lines.  Many folks may have never discovered this cool feature of the
>> KPA500 and KPA1500."
>>
>> I had to write code to put the KPA500 back on the correct band if one of
>> these band buttons was accidentally pressed.  I wish there was a way to
>> disable them completely.  One person's cool feature is another's PITA.
>>
>> Andy, k3wyc
>>
>

From a.durbin at msn.com  Tue Apr 27 23:34:10 2021
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 03:34:10 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KPA500 question
In-Reply-To: <CAOmNKGLnvzG6dOi5=FLZtK_SfXUwGmv2jAD-W67LcYybctWGCQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAOmNKGLnvzG6dOi5=FLZtK_SfXUwGmv2jAD-W67LcYybctWGCQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB2968358ABAF442869BFCCFE88C409@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"It's not clear why this feature of the KPA500 is a "PITA," since the majority of users want the rig and the amp. to always be locked to the same band.  "

And that is exactly why the band buttons are a PITA - If pressed they would ensure that my KPA500 is NOT on the same band as my transmitter.

I don't have a K3 and the KPA500 band buttons control nothing except the KPA500 BPF selection.   Yes I could make them change bands on my TS-590S but my station control is based on frequency not band.   Also, if I want to select bands, I would do it with the TS-590 band buttons which each provide a 3 deep frequency/mode stack.

I don't need any help.  I have effectively defeated the KPA500 band buttons but I only added that code after I realized the risk they presented.

Andy, k3wyc



From n6tv at arrl.net  Tue Apr 27 23:47:17 2021
From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 20:47:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KPA500 question
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References: <BYAPR16MB29681500BF47478A6896806C8C439@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAOmNKGLnvzG6dOi5=FLZtK_SfXUwGmv2jAD-W67LcYybctWGCQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BYAPR16MB2968358ABAF442869BFCCFE88C409@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
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On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 8:34 PM Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote:

> "It's not clear why this feature of the KPA500 is a "PITA," since the
> majority of users want the rig and the amp. to always be locked to the same
> band.  "
>
> And that is exactly why the band buttons are a PITA - If pressed they
> would ensure that my KPA500 is NOT on the same band as my transmitter.
>

Well, a few milliseconds after you transmit, the KPA500's frequency counter
will automatically switch the KPA500 back to the right band.


> if I want to select bands, I would do it with the TS-590 band buttons
> which each provide a 3 deep frequency/mode stack.
> I don't need any help.  I have effectively defeated the KPA500 band
> buttons but I only added that code after I realized the risk they presented.
>

OK, but for others who may be curious, the KPA500 can automatically track
the band of TS-590S with no computer and no custom code required.  Just a
connect a straight serial cable from the KPA500 *XCVR (RS232)* jack to the
TS-590S *COM* port, and set the KPA500 MENU as follows:

RADIO to SERIAL
RS232X to the baud rate of the TS-590S COM port
SER POLL ON if the TS-590S is the only device connected to the TS-590S COM
PORT
-or-
SER POLL OFF if some other device like an RS232 band decoder is polling the
radio on the TS-590S COM port, in which case both KPA500 and the device can
be connected in parallel to the TS-590S COM port via an RS-232 Y-Cable or
S-BOX.  SER POLL OFF uses a relay to open the TXD pin of the KPA500 RS232
connector, so the usual problems caused by connecting two RS232 devices in
parallel are no problem.


Now the KPA500 will automatically track the band of the TS-590S, as will
an RS232 band decoder or similar.

73,
Bob, N6TV
https://bit.ly/S-BOX

From jackbrindle at me.com  Tue Apr 27 23:53:31 2021
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 20:53:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KPA500 question
In-Reply-To: <8d80f850-d7c4-c7a8-3c3d-6ffea68a527d@cfl.rr.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29681500BF47478A6896806C8C439@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<8d80f850-d7c4-c7a8-3c3d-6ffea68a527d@cfl.rr.com>
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Actually, no. The KAT500 does not communicate with the KPA500, only the K3. In RADIO=K3 (on the KPA) changing bands on the KPA500 causes the KPA to send a special Auxbus message to the K3. The KAT500 cannot receive this message. The K3 does a band change, then sends data using normal Auxbus communications to the KAT500. Note that the KPA500 only sends data on the Auxbus (only the K3 can decode this), while the KAT500 only receives data, and only from the K3.

I _really_ wish the KAT500 and KPA500 could communicate, but unfortunately they cannot.

73!
Jack, W6FB


> On Apr 25, 2021, at 1:51 PM, Lou <lmecseri at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> That also controls the KAT500 when connected.
> 
> 73, Lou KE1F
> 
> On 4/25/2021 4:08 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:
>> "FYI, you can still tap the BAND buttons on the KPA500 to change bands on the K3, because that uses the AUXBUS line (ACC Pin 2), not the BAND DATA lines.  Many folks may have never discovered this cool feature of the KPA500 and KPA1500."
>> 
>> I had to write code to put the KPA500 back on the correct band if one of these band buttons was accidentally pressed.  I wish there was a way to disable them completely.  One person's cool feature is another's PITA.
>> 
>> Andy, k3wyc
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From tom at w7sua.org  Wed Apr 28 00:04:05 2021
From: tom at w7sua.org (Tom Azlin W7SUA)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:04:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975
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	<r480Ps-10146i-B1E30EF63C3D4325A2E821AED300F353@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<1894251388.343774.1619471568676@connect.xfinity.com>
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Have a slice of a core memory module here. ... somewhere.

Of course took drafting and electronics in high school as well as wood shop.

First computer I used was an IBM 1130. Learned how to build a machine 
language initial boot card where the 12 hole positions in a column could 
give me 80 short instructions from which I could build a few 16 bit 
instructions and yank in the remainder of the cards in the stack. And 
program by hand with the front panel switches. But also rewrote the 
keyboard and rotate/tilt code for the Selectric printer as interrupt 
driven.

Much easier these days.

73, tom w7sua

On 4/26/2021 2:33 PM, Mark Musick wrote:
> OK, I can't resist any longer either.
> I waited and bought the HP-45 when it came out. It had hyperbolic functions as well as polar to rectangular conversion functions. Being a EE the polar to rectangular conversion is why I bought it. It made life much easier. Of course my dad had a fit when he found out what I paid for it.
> 
> Now to the computers, how many of you youngsters out there remember core memory? For you really young folks there was no RAM. 0s and 1s were stored on toroidal cores on a back plane.
> IN 1978, when I started at Public Service Company of Indiana (PSI), the local electric utility, we were using two 16 bit MODCOMP minicomputers. Each minicomputer had 64K of core memory for the supervisory control and data acquisition (SCADA) system. Each machine had a tape drive and two 360k disk drives. We thought we were downtown. The SCADA system was used to control and monitor the HV transmission system. 69kV - 765kV.
> 
> 73,
> Mark, WB9CIF

From djwilcox01 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 28 05:23:47 2021
From: djwilcox01 at yahoo.com (David Wilcox)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 05:23:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class
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In my elementary school and high school (Saginaw, MI) all male teachers had a paddle of some sort. They never used it but appointed a student to administer the ?whacks? in front of the class. Very effective. I graduated in 1963.

Dave K8WPE since 1960

David J. Wilcox?s iPad

> On Apr 27, 2021, at 9:41 PM, Buck <radiok4ia at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?In those days, there was no such thing as ADHD.  You got whacked on the back of the head until you paid attention.
> 
> k4ia, Buck
> K3s# 11497
> Honor Roll  8B DXCC
> EasyWayHamBooks.com
> 
>> On 4/27/2021 6:22 PM, n0tt1 at juno.com wrote:
>> OK, so I gotta chime in and tell this brief story....
>> Circa 1958, HS mechanical drawing class.  Some kid
>> was screwing off.  Distruptive!  Mr Gersic, went back to the kid,
>> picked him up off his stool by the seat of his pants/belt with one hand,
>> the other
>> on his shoulder, and carried him out door.  Never saw the kid in class
>> again!!  :D)
>> Charlie, N0TT
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From rickw8zt at gmail.com  Wed Apr 28 09:45:41 2021
From: rickw8zt at gmail.com (Rick Robinson)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 09:45:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Ham Radio Near HV Power Lines
In-Reply-To: <1156265216.9964938.1619575241762.JavaMail.zimbra@embarqmail.com>
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Ever seen lightning strike one of those power line structures ? I have.
More than your imagine will run wild. ?????



On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 10:03 PM Wilson Lamb <infomet at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> The imagination runs wild...shunt feed a power pylon on 160m!
> Midnight climb?
> Bribery of lineman.
> Inconspicuous coupling box in the bushes or underground.
> Near invisible  wire going up to feed point.
> Couple some RF to the power lines?
> How long would the coax be?
> An idle mind is the devil's workshop!
> WL
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From n4zr at comcast.net  Wed Apr 28 11:09:59 2021
From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 11:09:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Stuff I never knew - CWT
Message-ID: <1313002f-581d-6a68-9eb3-2399f38dddcf@comcast.net>

After 10 years and probably 100,000 CW contest QSOs with my K3, I'm 
still learning about things - latest is the CWT function.? I find that 
keeping it on is totally unobtrusive, but in just a few weeks has 
significantly improved the "calibration" of my by-ear tuning. Kudos to 
the Elecraft engineers for this op aid.

-- 
73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
web server at <http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.


From k2asp at kanafi.org  Wed Apr 28 12:14:24 2021
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 09:14:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker upgrade
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On 4/27/2021 7:53 PM, neil weisenfeld wrote:

> I couldn?t tell if you wanted native Bluetooth or just something to connect to a Bluetooth dongle.

I originally wanted a "one box" solution - a BT "receiver" and 
auxiliary-channel input and low-level output to feed my amplified 
speakers.  After a search - with thanks to all who responded - I did not 
find one.

My options are:

Door Number One - two boxes - BT "receiver" and mixer feeding my 
amplified speakers.

Door Number Two - BT "receiver" and another set of amplified speakers.

Door Number Three - BT "receiver" and simple 10 dB resistor matrix 
feeding existing amplified speakers.

Door Number Four - forget about  the BT "receiver" and live with the 
sound BT from the HT into my hearing aids and the sound from the 
computer feeding the existing amplified speakers.  One or two less boxes 
on the crowded desktop.

Right now Door Number Four sound the easiest.

Thanks to everyone for their suggestions.  Project Closed.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon


From elanzl at sbcglobal.net  Wed Apr 28 12:25:33 2021
From: elanzl at sbcglobal.net (Eric Lanzl)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 16:25:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net for April 18, 2021
References: <1624205074.1191892.1619627133636.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1624205074.1191892.1619627133636@mail.yahoo.com>

Here is the list of stations checking in to the SSB Net for April 18th. Thanks to the relay stations who always help pick up stations that I do not hear here? in the Midwest.Eric WB9JNZ???? See April 25th list for more net information. 


Call????????? Name??? State????? Radio??? Serial #? QRP???????????????????????????? Notes

WB9JNZ????? Eric?????????? IL????????????? K3???????????? 4017????????? ???????????????????????????????????? NetControl

NC0JW??????? Jim??????????? CO??????????? KX3????????? 1356????????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

K1NW????????? Brian???????? RI????????????? K3???????????? 4974????????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

NS7P??????????? Phil??????????? OR??????????? K3???????????? 1826????????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

AE6JV???????? Bill??????????? NH??????????? K3???????????? 6299????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K8NU????????? Carl?????????? OH??????????? YaesuFT? DX101????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

N4NRW?????? Roger??????? SC???????????? K3???????????? 1318????????? Relay Station??????????????? RelayStation

WM6P????????? Steve???????? GA??????????? K3S?????????? 11453??????? ???????????????????????????????????? Relay Station 

W4DML?????? Doug???????? TN??????????? K3???????????? 6433????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

AD4CJ???????? Tim?????????? TN??????????? KX3????????? 4965????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

AB7CE???????? Roy?????????? MT??????????? K2/100????? 40????????????? QRP????????????????????????????? 

W1NGA?????? Al????????????? CO??????????? Flex?????????? 6400M????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

KD4PBJ?????? Chris???????? TN??????????? KX3????????? 10918??????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

N7GOD??????? Galen??????? AZ??????????? K2???????????? 6533????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

N2NTQ??????? Len??????????? NJ???????????? K3???????????? 5270????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

W7QHD?????? Kurt?????????? AZ??????????? K2/100????? 1538????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

W0OS????????? Jim??????????? MN?????????? K3???????????? 5457????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K6WDE?????? David??????? CA??????????? KX3????????? 4599????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

WD0GTM??? Dennis?????? MN?????????? Icom???????? 7300????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

W9PCS???????? Paul?????????? WI???????????? K3S?????????? 11603??????? ???????????????????????????????????? 
???? 

From elanzl at sbcglobal.net  Wed Apr 28 12:30:46 2021
From: elanzl at sbcglobal.net (Eric Lanzl)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 16:30:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Net for April 25th, 2021
References: <1351974204.1178678.1619627446227.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1351974204.1178678.1619627446227@mail.yahoo.com>

Here is the list of stations checking in to the SSB Net for this date. 
Here are the current Elecraft Nets: All nets are on Sundays

20M 1800Z 14.303.5 alternate 14.310 
40M? 1900Z? 7.280Zoom meeting 2000Z contact Carl K8NU for the link 
80M?? 0100Z? 7.775 we were on 7.773 this past Sunday due to use. Frequency may changeEric WB9JNZ


Call????????? Name??? State????? Radio??? Serial #? QRP???????????????????????????? Notes

WB9JNZ????? Eric?????????? IL????????????? K3???????????? 4017????????? ???????????????????????????????????? NetControl

KO5V????????? Jim??????????? NM?????????? K2/100????? 7225????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

NC0JW??????? Jim??????????? CO??????????? KX3????????? 1356????????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

WM6P????????? Steve???????? GA??????????? K3S?????????? 11453??????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

K6VWE?????? Stan?????????? MI???????????? K3???????????? 650??????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K2VJK???????? Vern????????? NY??????????? K3???????????? 6995????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

N4NRW?????? Roger??????? SC???????????? K3???????????? 1318????????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

AE6JV???????? Bill??????????? NH??????????? K3???????????? 6299????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

W1NGA?????? Al????????????? CO??????????? Flex?????????? 6400M????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

W5SV????????? Dave???????? TX??????????? K3???????????? 5354????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K7BRR??????? Bill??????????? AZ??????????? K3S?????????? 10996??????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

K1NW????????? Brian???????? RI????????????? K3???????????? 4974????????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

K5PD?????????? Pete?????????? TX??????????? K3???????????? 545??????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

AB7CE???????? Roy?????????? MT??????????? K2/100????? 40????????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K4HYJ???????? Hank???????? GA??????????? K3S?????????? 11697??????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

W4DML?????? Doug???????? TN??????????? K3???????????? 6433????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

NS7P??????????? Phil??????????? OR??????????? K3???????????? 1826????????? ???????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

N0MPM?????? Mike????????? IA???????????? K3S?????????? 10514??????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K0JFJ?????????? NICK??????? AZ??????????? K3S?????????? 11830??????? ???????????????????????????????????? 

K6VN????????? Mike????????? CA??????????? K4???????????? 101??????????? ???????????????????????????????????? 
? N7BDL???? Terry?? ? ?? AZ????????? K3S???????? 10373? ??????????? 

From w0mu at w0mu.com  Wed Apr 28 13:04:12 2021
From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 11:04:12 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Used K3 boards
Message-ID: <5e0b4bf5-2812-7f04-4d6c-b9e1b655c3aa@w0mu.com>

2 K3SYN Rev A boards
1 KXV3-2 rev a? board

Is anyone interested in these?? If so, shoot me an offer directly.

w0mu at w0mu.com

W0MU

From w0sd at triotel.net  Wed Apr 28 14:10:50 2021
From: w0sd at triotel.net (Ed Gray W0SD)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 13:10:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale 6M pre-amp K3PR6
Message-ID: <eec3bf45-5c90-de8e-698f-c6771f1956a2@triotel.net>

For Sale: Barely used K3PR6 6m Pre-amp.? In original box.? $65.00 
includes shipping in USA. Has manual and double male BNC connectors and 
power cord.

Ed W0SD



From w0sd at triotel.net  Wed Apr 28 14:04:59 2021
From: w0sd at triotel.net (Ed Gray W0SD)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 13:04:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale 6M pre-amp K3PR6
Message-ID: <9d7a27d8-d6b7-68c6-e9ea-98d430df511e@triotel.net>

For Sale: Barely used K3PR6 6m Pre-amp.? In original box.? $65.00 
includes shipping in USA. Has manual and double male BNC connectors and 
power cord.

Ed W0SD


From w4jz at bellsouth.net  Wed Apr 28 17:04:32 2021
From: w4jz at bellsouth.net (Reed Fite)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 21:04:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Does price buy Performance or Satisfaction in an HF
 Transceiver? by Frank Howell K4FMH
References: <1993995849.2058233.1619643872615.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1993995849.2058233.1619643872615@mail.yahoo.com>

Very good video! The first hour is presentation, last hour is questions &?answers.

Does price buy Performance or Satisfaction in an HF Transceiver? by Frank Howell K4FMH  
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From w4jz at bellsouth.net  Wed Apr 28 17:12:39 2021
From: w4jz at bellsouth.net (Reed Fite)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 21:12:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Does price buy Performance or Satisfaction in an HF
 Transceiver? by Frank Howell K4FMH
References: <693798092.2311356.1619644359091.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <693798092.2311356.1619644359091@mail.yahoo.com>

Well, that didn't work.? Go to youtube & do a search for:?
Does price buy Performance or Satisfaction in an HF Transceiver? by Frank Howell K4FMH

73,Reed W4JZ


From pasek001 at umn.edu  Wed Apr 28 17:29:19 2021
From: pasek001 at umn.edu (George Pasek)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 16:29:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale KX3
Message-ID: <ce17f19a-4329-a87b-b364-0d6c9460e2b9@umn.edu>

For Sale KX3
OEM Box & Manual
KXAT3F 20 Watt Internal Automatic Antenna Tuner
KXFL3-F Dual-Passband Roofing Filter
KXBC3-F Internal NiMH Charger / Real-Time Clock
MH3 Hand Microphone
XG50 Signal Source
KX3-PCKT Accessory Cable Kit
E980229? Transmit Audio Cable
E980230 Receive Audio Cable
E980231 I/O Output Cable
E980232? ACC2 IO Cable Module
E850524 KX3 Power Cable
KXUSB USB Programming Cable
KX3HSMDKTKX3 Heat Sink Upgrade(OEM Heat Sink Included)

It was assembled in their factory with the KXAT3-F, KXBC3-F, KXFL3-f 
additions.I would call it in very good condition.It has spent most of 
its life with me under a dust cover on my desk top getting very little 
use.I have made maybe a 100 or so contacts with it over the years. I did 
use it a few times with internal batteries, but preferred just using a 
external battery pack or power supply so it has only been opened up a 
few time.The only problem I ever had with it was a couple of years ago 
when the Keyer/Mic/Power rotary encoder started skipping so I sent it to 
Elecraft and had them replace the 4 small knob encoders and install the 
Heat Sink upgrade.At that time they also did the zipper noise mod, 
installed new firmware, and Test & Calibration.

Contact me directly (off List) if you have any questions.

If you would like to pick it up locally (St.Paul MN.) I?ll be more than 
happy to demo it for you, but when it comes to shipping I?m selling it 
?As Is? and I will not take any returns due to the potential of board 
switching.Sorry it has to be this way.

Price is $1,400 PayPal only, Shipped & Insured Continental US Only.



From pasek001 at umn.edu  Wed Apr 28 17:46:09 2021
From: pasek001 at umn.edu (George Pasek)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 16:46:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale KX3
In-Reply-To: <ce17f19a-4329-a87b-b364-0d6c9460e2b9@umn.edu>
References: <ce17f19a-4329-a87b-b364-0d6c9460e2b9@umn.edu>
Message-ID: <2d1be0fd-67c4-5276-649b-e4c67189c3a5@umn.edu>

Sorry for not Signing the previous posting.

de George
WD0AKZ
dit - dit

On 4/28/2021 4:29 PM, George Pasek wrote:
> For Sale KX3
> OEM Box & Manual
> KXAT3F?? 20 Watt Internal Automatic Antenna Tuner
> KXFL3-F? Dual-Passband Roofing Filter
> KXBC3-F? Internal NiMH Charger / Real-Time Clock
> MH3????? Hand Microphone
> XG50???? Signal Source
> KX3-PCKT Accessory Cable Kit
> E980229? Transmit Audio Cable
> E980230? Receive Audio Cable
> E980231? I/O Output Cable
> E980232? ACC2 IO Cable Module
> E850524 KX3 Power Cable
> KXUSB USB Programming Cable
> KX3HSMDKTKX3 Heat Sink Upgrade(OEM Heat Sink Included)
>
> It was assembled in their factory with the KXAT3-F, KXBC3-F, KXFL3-f 
> additions.I would call it in very good condition.It has spent most of 
> its life with me under a dust cover on my desk top getting very little 
> use.I have made maybe a 100 or so contacts with it over the years. I 
> did use it a few times with internal batteries, but preferred just 
> using a external battery pack or power supply so it has only been 
> opened up a few time.The only problem I ever had with it was a couple 
> of years ago when the Keyer/Mic/Power rotary encoder started skipping 
> so I sent it to Elecraft and had them replace the 4 small knob 
> encoders and install the Heat Sink upgrade.At that time they also did 
> the zipper noise mod, installed new firmware, and Test & Calibration.
>
> Contact me directly (off List) if you have any questions.
>
> If you would like to pick it up locally (St.Paul MN.) I?ll be more 
> than happy to demo it for you, but when it comes to shipping I?m 
> selling it ?As Is? and I will not take any returns due to the 
> potential of board switching.Sorry it has to be this way.
>
> Price is $1,400 PayPal only, Shipped & Insured Continental US Only.
>
>


From 99sunset at gmail.com  Wed Apr 28 18:04:27 2021
From: 99sunset at gmail.com (Steve Hall)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 18:04:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 40 meter net
Message-ID: <CALdUqNO8-TbA5SA26egzU1_jc77wrZhVhC=jRg0OaCf2_uyXXw@mail.gmail.com>

7.280 1900Z every Sunday
Thanks to my relay stations for your assistance.   Pretty good range on the
band from Florida to NH to Colorado!
The 80 meter Elecraft net later in the evening proved to be pretty
difficult with signals just below and above us.

WM6P STEVE GA K3S, net control
WB9JNZ ERIC IL K3
K8NU CARL OH FTDX101D
AE6JV BILL NH K3
K1NW BRIAN RI K3
W9EJB ED IN K3,
WY3T TIM FL K3S
W5SV DAVE TX K3
K2VJR VERN NY K3
N0MPM MIKE IA K3S
K3AHP TONY PA KX2 10 Watts
NC0JW JIM CO KX3
K5PD PETE TX K3
KG4GTR VAN FL FT2000

From pasek001 at umn.edu  Wed Apr 28 18:31:04 2021
From: pasek001 at umn.edu (George Pasek)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 17:31:04 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale KX3 SOLD
In-Reply-To: <2d1be0fd-67c4-5276-649b-e4c67189c3a5@umn.edu>
References: <ce17f19a-4329-a87b-b364-0d6c9460e2b9@umn.edu>
	<2d1be0fd-67c4-5276-649b-e4c67189c3a5@umn.edu>
Message-ID: <d7d0c9fa-c75c-bf72-6d76-537c17fb490b@umn.edu>

The KX3 has been sold

tnx to all.

de George
WD0AKZ
dit - dit


From dana.roode at gmail.com  Wed Apr 28 20:21:11 2021
From: dana.roode at gmail.com (Dana Roode K6NR)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 17:21:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Chirp
Message-ID: <CAEhu_syTtqQTjvrTYu7+jEavVAkfmbyQ11mfU5Jgk6Cm9ip8JA@mail.gmail.com>

It was reported today by several folks who heard my CW signal that I have a
bad chirp - I was operating on 20 meters during CWT.  I listened to the
signal myself (my station is 80 miles away and I can listen on a local
transceiver).  Someone also sent me a recording.

I've been using the same K3, KPA1500, and Astron power supply for many
years.  I shut off the amp and could still hear the chirp.

One thought is that it has something to do with my power supply, although I
saw a previous posting that made that seem unlikely (below).  Wayne
mentioned something about KSYSN3 calibration, I had not heard of that
before, I will look into it.

If anyone has experienced a problem with chirp on a K3, let me know (it is
a K3 not a K3S).

  Dana



In reply to this post
<http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-past-chirp-report-tp7625892p7625898.html>
by Doug Smith [W7KF]
Under normal circumstances, it is impossible for a K3 or K3S for exhibit
"chirp." The synthesizer settles well before the rig switches from TX to RX
or vice-versa.

The KSYN3A (newer synth, used in the K3S) settles in well under 1 ms thanks
to its entirely digital architecture (UHF DSPLL, divided down).

The KSYN3 (older synth, used on the K3) uses a more traditional PLL with
its VCO running at the target output frequency. It normally settles in
under 5 ms. It can take a bit longer depending on the actual PLL voltage
and VCO frequency. This is accounted for in firmware.

If your KSYN3 were not properly calibrated, you might see a longer settling
time on one or two bands, most likely 6 meters. If you suspect this, refer
to the CONFIG:VCO MD menu entry. The K3 includes an automatic VCO
calibration routine that requires no test equipment and takes only a couple
of minutes to run.

Wayne
N6KR



On Jan 19, 2017, at 12:57 PM, "Ron D'Eau Claire" <[hidden email]
<http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7625904&i=0>>
wrote:

> In a synthesized VFO rig like the K3S, any tendency to "chirp" is almost
always related to the synthesizer momentarily losing frequency (or phase)
lock.
>
> While that could conceivably be linked to change in the power bus
voltage, it's highly unlikely since the bus is isolated from the actual
synthesizer by voltage regulators and filters.
>
> OTOH, the OO's report was strictly advisory. I have experienced spurious
OO reports over my >50 years of pounding brass, and one that turned out to
be accurate when I blew the filter caps in the transmitter and did not
notice, nor did the stations I was working report the hum on my signal.
When I got a "chirp" report one time (on a homebrew rig) and was unable to
hear it myself, I sent a friendly letter to the OO. He replied that he was
"almost sure" he could detect a "slight chirp" so he sent the card.
>
> So my advice is that if you can't repeat what the OO observed, don't
worry about it.
>
> 73, Ron AC7AC

From lmecseri at cfl.rr.com  Wed Apr 28 20:42:35 2021
From: lmecseri at cfl.rr.com (Lou Mecseri)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 00:42:35 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Chirp
In-Reply-To: <CAEhu_syTtqQTjvrTYu7+jEavVAkfmbyQ11mfU5Jgk6Cm9ip8JA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEhu_syTtqQTjvrTYu7+jEavVAkfmbyQ11mfU5Jgk6Cm9ip8JA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57644ed9-1143-6e94-691b-b1a7fd95d52d@cfl.rr.com>

I love chirps, it reminds of the real good old days when I was young.

We used to be able to recognize station by their distinct chirp.

I heard one station in the recent FQP with one, the chirp give me a very 
warm feeling.

I guess, it does not take much to make an old ham warm and happy.

73, Lou KE1F

On 4/29/2021 00:21, Dana Roode K6NR wrote:
> It was reported today by several folks who heard my CW signal that I have a
> bad chirp - I was operating on 20 meters during CWT.  I listened to the
> signal myself (my station is 80 miles away and I can listen on a local
> transceiver).  Someone also sent me a recording.
>
> I've been using the same K3, KPA1500, and Astron power supply for many
> years.  I shut off the amp and could still hear the chirp.
>
> One thought is that it has something to do with my power supply, although I
> saw a previous posting that made that seem unlikely (below).  Wayne
> mentioned something about KSYSN3 calibration, I had not heard of that
> before, I will look into it.
>
> If anyone has experienced a problem with chirp on a K3, let me know (it is
> a K3 not a K3S).
>
>    Dana
>
>
>
> In reply to this post
> <http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-past-chirp-report-tp7625892p7625898.html>
> by Doug Smith [W7KF]
> Under normal circumstances, it is impossible for a K3 or K3S for exhibit
> "chirp." The synthesizer settles well before the rig switches from TX to RX
> or vice-versa.
>
> The KSYN3A (newer synth, used in the K3S) settles in well under 1 ms thanks
> to its entirely digital architecture (UHF DSPLL, divided down).
>
> The KSYN3 (older synth, used on the K3) uses a more traditional PLL with
> its VCO running at the target output frequency. It normally settles in
> under 5 ms. It can take a bit longer depending on the actual PLL voltage
> and VCO frequency. This is accounted for in firmware.
>
> If your KSYN3 were not properly calibrated, you might see a longer settling
> time on one or two bands, most likely 6 meters. If you suspect this, refer
> to the CONFIG:VCO MD menu entry. The K3 includes an automatic VCO
> calibration routine that requires no test equipment and takes only a couple
> of minutes to run.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
> On Jan 19, 2017, at 12:57 PM, "Ron D'Eau Claire" <[hidden email]
> <http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7625904&i=0>>
> wrote:
>
>> In a synthesized VFO rig like the K3S, any tendency to "chirp" is almost
> always related to the synthesizer momentarily losing frequency (or phase)
> lock.
>> While that could conceivably be linked to change in the power bus
> voltage, it's highly unlikely since the bus is isolated from the actual
> synthesizer by voltage regulators and filters.
>> OTOH, the OO's report was strictly advisory. I have experienced spurious
> OO reports over my >50 years of pounding brass, and one that turned out to
> be accurate when I blew the filter caps in the transmitter and did not
> notice, nor did the stations I was working report the hum on my signal.
> When I got a "chirp" report one time (on a homebrew rig) and was unable to
> hear it myself, I sent a friendly letter to the OO. He replied that he was
> "almost sure" he could detect a "slight chirp" so he sent the card.
>> So my advice is that if you can't repeat what the OO observed, don't
> worry about it.
>> 73, Ron AC7AC
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Apr 28 23:58:38 2021
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 20:58:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New K4 software release
Message-ID: <ACFB5FE7-2B2A-4E82-B826-226E11CEC0AB@elecraft.com>

A new production release of K4 software is available (release 12). To do an update, make sure you have an Ethernet connection, then:

1. Tap the Fn button (on the LCD), then hold UPDATE

2. Select "Production Release" from the pull-down menu at the top of the screen. Then tap the Check for Updates button. This will load (but not install) the latest files.

Note: You can tap "Release Notes" to read the release notes before updating, if desired. You can also read them after updating.

3. Tap the "Install" button. This will install all software and firmware that is newer than what you have at present. 

Wayne
N6KR



From pfizenmayer at q.com  Thu Apr 29 02:35:15 2021
From: pfizenmayer at q.com (HP)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 02:35:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Record both RX  signal and  TX monitor in CW
Message-ID: <69389063.187843798.1619678115148.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com>

Using AUDACITY and the K3S USB Audio Codec -recording received signals works fine-but is there a way to also record the TX monitor signal ? 

Obviously I can run another computer running Audacity and simply record the speaker or headphone output 
bit is there any way to avoid that ? 

Hank K7HP 


From k6mr at outlook.com  Thu Apr 29 02:47:43 2021
From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 06:47:43 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Record both RX  signal and  TX monitor in CW
In-Reply-To: <69389063.187843798.1619678115148.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com>
References: <69389063.187843798.1619678115148.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR07MB6214F98E9BFDBC05E60E22809E5F9@BYAPR07MB6214.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Config -> LIN OUT -> tap REV/2 button.  Use VFO A knob to adjust t= xxx to set transmit monitor level.  0 = none and up from there.  Mine are set at 010.  YMMV.

Ken K6MR

From: HP<mailto:pfizenmayer at q.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 23:36
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Record both RX signal and TX monitor in CW

Using AUDACITY and the K3S USB Audio Codec -recording received signals works fine-but is there a way to also record the TX monitor signal ?

Obviously I can run another computer running Audacity and simply record the speaker or headphone output
bit is there any way to avoid that ?

Hank K7HP

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From nelasat at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 29 09:02:20 2021
From: nelasat at yahoo.com (Keith Ennis)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 13:02:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KV5J's line of Remote Digital Displays for Elecraft's W2, KXPA100,
 KPA500, KAT500 and KPA1500
References: <85349325.1124137.1619701340062.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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-
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-
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-
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Digital Display Unit for Elecraft's KXPA100 amplifier:
-
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3. Power amplifier's current
4. Power amplifier's output power
5. SWR that the KXPA100 sees at its output
-
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-
Instead of seeing only 1 crucial reading, monitor all 7 at the same time.
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2. Power amplifier's high voltage supply voltage
3. Power amplifier's current
4. Power amplifier's output power
5. SWR that the KPA500 sees at its output
6. Displays Operate/Standby mode
7. Displays Band amp is tuned to
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This unit displays the front panel settings.
If the tuner is in bypass or not.
Displays the capacitance and inductance used.
What type of circuit is used. LC or CL.
SWR of both before and after a tune cycle is completed.
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From dave at nk7z.net  Thu Apr 29 13:19:52 2021
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 10:19:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of the world
Message-ID: <2b088eb6-f64a-a73b-404f-fd8d6780252c@nk7z.net>

An interesting story from OPB dealing with the global shortage of chips...

https://www.opb.org/article/2021/04/29/it-s-not-just-cars-ipads-and-macs-suffer-from-semiconductor-crunch/

-- 
73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

From marklgoldberg at gmail.com  Thu Apr 29 13:39:31 2021
From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 10:39:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of the
	world
In-Reply-To: <2b088eb6-f64a-a73b-404f-fd8d6780252c@nk7z.net>
References: <2b088eb6-f64a-a73b-404f-fd8d6780252c@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <CAKn+a3urfPg-gCP13M87kkFYpqPBFRP__inL9KZVKP_poyrAaA@mail.gmail.com>

For smaller customers that are not buying millions of parts at a time, it
is even worse, as they have no leverage. That includes the company I am
working for and I would assume companies like Elecraft. Even for simple
orders from distributors of in stock parts they are taking a week to ship
rather than the usual next day shipment. It is really disruptive.

Regards,

Mark

On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:20 AM Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:

> An interesting story from OPB dealing with the global shortage of chips...
>
>
> https://www.opb.org/article/2021/04/29/it-s-not-just-cars-ipads-and-macs-suffer-from-semiconductor-crunch/
>
> --
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Apr 29 14:38:59 2021
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 11:38:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of the
 world
In-Reply-To: <CAKn+a3urfPg-gCP13M87kkFYpqPBFRP__inL9KZVKP_poyrAaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2b088eb6-f64a-a73b-404f-fd8d6780252c@nk7z.net>
	<CAKn+a3urfPg-gCP13M87kkFYpqPBFRP__inL9KZVKP_poyrAaA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <23D91283-5F52-4670-BA19-957554606D0F@elecraft.com>

Indeed, it's a ubiquitous curse. Fortunately we stocked up far in advance on most parts and assemblies. 

Wayne
N6KR




> On Apr 29, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> For smaller customers that are not buying millions of parts at a time, it
> is even worse, as they have no leverage. That includes the company I am
> working for and I would assume companies like Elecraft. Even for simple
> orders from distributors of in stock parts they are taking a week to ship
> rather than the usual next day shipment. It is really disruptive.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:20 AM Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
> 
>> An interesting story from OPB dealing with the global shortage of chips...
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.opb.org/article/2021/04/29/it-s-not-just-cars-ipads-and-macs-suffer-from-semiconductor-crunch/
>> 
>> --
>> 73, and thanks,
>> Dave (NK7Z)
>> https://www.nk7z.net
>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> 
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>> Message delivered to marklgoldberg at gmail.com
>> 
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From wa6vab at gmail.com  Thu Apr 29 16:12:57 2021
From: wa6vab at gmail.com (Linda M)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 13:12:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of the
 world
In-Reply-To: <23D91283-5F52-4670-BA19-957554606D0F@elecraft.com>
References: <2b088eb6-f64a-a73b-404f-fd8d6780252c@nk7z.net>
	<CAKn+a3urfPg-gCP13M87kkFYpqPBFRP__inL9KZVKP_poyrAaA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<23D91283-5F52-4670-BA19-957554606D0F@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <C74BA41C-62F3-4065-8A07-B314F1F37723@hxcore.ol>


From nv4c.ian at gmail.com  Thu Apr 29 16:43:33 2021
From: nv4c.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 16:43:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of the
	world
In-Reply-To: <23D91283-5F52-4670-BA19-957554606D0F@elecraft.com>
References: <2b088eb6-f64a-a73b-404f-fd8d6780252c@nk7z.net>
	<CAKn+a3urfPg-gCP13M87kkFYpqPBFRP__inL9KZVKP_poyrAaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<23D91283-5F52-4670-BA19-957554606D0F@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CAN1Md6Gvdh-HLs1Oy333U6c5pvovLOtUfqrLykBdvoGNuwzNcg@mail.gmail.com>

Wayne,

I hope that stock-up includes the two K3 - K3S upgrade boards I ordered
yesterday! :-)

73 de,

Ian, NV4C

On Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 2:41 PM Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> Indeed, it's a ubiquitous curse. Fortunately we stocked up far in advance
> on most parts and assemblies.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 29, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > For smaller customers that are not buying millions of parts at a time, it
> > is even worse, as they have no leverage. That includes the company I am
> > working for and I would assume companies like Elecraft. Even for simple
> > orders from distributors of in stock parts they are taking a week to ship
> > rather than the usual next day shipment. It is really disruptive.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:20 AM Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
> >
> >> An interesting story from OPB dealing with the global shortage of
> chips...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://www.opb.org/article/2021/04/29/it-s-not-just-cars-ipads-and-macs-suffer-from-semiconductor-crunch/
> >>
> >> --
> >> 73, and thanks,
> >> Dave (NK7Z)
> >> https://www.nk7z.net
> >> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> >> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
> >> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
> >> ______________________________________________________________
> >> Elecraft mailing list
> >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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> >>
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Apr 29 16:44:57 2021
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 13:44:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of the
	world
In-Reply-To: <C74BA41C-62F3-4065-8A07-B314F1F37723@hxcore.ol>
References: <C74BA41C-62F3-4065-8A07-B314F1F37723@hxcore.ol>
Message-ID: <21D35619-8C9E-4AE1-9C6E-057FFA476C5A@elecraft.com>

Many off-the-shelf parts are affected as well. 

Wayne 

----
elecraft.com

> On Apr 29, 2021, at 1:13 PM, Linda M <wa6vab at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi Wayne.
> I would think the Parts you use are Off the Shelf Semiconductors.
> The Auto Industry are Custom Fab semiconductors. 
> Ray WA6VAB  K3
>  
> From: Wayne Burdick
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 11:40 AM
> To: Mark Goldberg
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of the world
>  
> Indeed, it's a ubiquitous curse. Fortunately we stocked up far in advance on most parts and assemblies.
>  
> Wayne
> N6KR
>  
>  
>  
>  
> > On Apr 29, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > For smaller customers that are not buying millions of parts at a time, it
> > is even worse, as they have no leverage. That includes the company I am
> > working for and I would assume companies like Elecraft. Even for simple
> > orders from distributors of in stock parts they are taking a week to ship
> > rather than the usual next day shipment. It is really disruptive.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:20 AM Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
> >
> >> An interesting story from OPB dealing with the global shortage of chips...
> >>
> >>
> >> https://www.opb.org/article/2021/04/29/it-s-not-just-cars-ipads-and-macs-suffer-from-semiconductor-crunch/
> >>
> >> --
> >> 73, and thanks,
> >> Dave (NK7Z)
> >> https://www.nk7z.net
> >> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> >> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
> >> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
> >> ______________________________________________________________
> >> Elecraft mailing list
> >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> >>
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> >> Message delivered to marklgoldberg at gmail.com
> >>
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> >
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>  
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From backhoeken at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 29 17:00:23 2021
From: backhoeken at yahoo.com (Ken B)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 21:00:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of
	the	world
In-Reply-To: <21D35619-8C9E-4AE1-9C6E-057FFA476C5A@elecraft.com>
References: <C74BA41C-62F3-4065-8A07-B314F1F37723@hxcore.ol>
	<21D35619-8C9E-4AE1-9C6E-057FFA476C5A@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <524332201.1614394.1619730023293@mail.yahoo.com>

 Its affecting everything - Tried to by a bunch of 555 timing chips for the local troops scouting project - none around, glad we don't need them till November.??

    On Thursday, April 29, 2021, 04:50:57 PM EDT, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:  
 
 Many off-the-shelf parts are affected as well. 

Wayne 

----
elecraft.com

> On Apr 29, 2021, at 1:13 PM, Linda M <wa6vab at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi Wayne.
> I would think the Parts you use are Off the Shelf Semiconductors.
> The Auto Industry are Custom Fab semiconductors. 
> Ray WA6VAB? K3
>? 
> From: Wayne Burdick
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 11:40 AM
> To: Mark Goldberg
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of the world
>? 
> Indeed, it's a ubiquitous curse. Fortunately we stocked up far in advance on most parts and assemblies.
>? 
> Wayne
> N6KR
>? 
>? 
>? 
>? 
> > On Apr 29, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > For smaller customers that are not buying millions of parts at a time, it
> > is even worse, as they have no leverage. That includes the company I am
> > working for and I would assume companies like Elecraft. Even for simple
> > orders from distributors of in stock parts they are taking a week to ship
> > rather than the usual next day shipment. It is really disruptive.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:20 AM Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
> >
> >> An interesting story from OPB dealing with the global shortage of chips...
> >>
> >>
> >> https://www.opb.org/article/2021/04/29/it-s-not-just-cars-ipads-and-macs-suffer-from-semiconductor-crunch/
> >>
> >> --
> >> 73, and thanks,
> >> Dave (NK7Z)
> >> https://www.nk7z.net
> >> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> >> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
> >> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
> >> ______________________________________________________________
> >> Elecraft mailing list
> >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> >>
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> >> Message delivered to marklgoldberg at gmail.com
> >>
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From radiomemory at gmail.com  Thu Apr 29 17:11:43 2021
From: radiomemory at gmail.com (Gary Memory)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 17:11:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of the
	world
In-Reply-To: <524332201.1614394.1619730023293@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <C74BA41C-62F3-4065-8A07-B314F1F37723@hxcore.ol>
	<21D35619-8C9E-4AE1-9C6E-057FFA476C5A@elecraft.com>
	<524332201.1614394.1619730023293@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAPoA2FVAGDHcWZe4FtHFBPbeAZ5LCnBq6uGgedOUy3j9hYFtGw@mail.gmail.com>

It isn't just IC's.  I placed a $250-ish order from Mouser two days ago.
Most of the items are common components, with a BO lead-time into
September.  We live in a different world, at least temporarily if not for a
long haul?

Gary N7BRJ


On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 5:01 PM Ken B via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
wrote:

>  Its affecting everything - Tried to by a bunch of 555 timing chips for
> the local troops scouting project - none around, glad we don't need them
> till November.
>
>     On Thursday, April 29, 2021, 04:50:57 PM EDT, Wayne Burdick <
> n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>
>  Many off-the-shelf parts are affected as well.
>
> Wayne
>
> ----
> elecraft.com
>
> > On Apr 29, 2021, at 1:13 PM, Linda M <wa6vab at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > Hi Wayne.
> > I would think the Parts you use are Off the Shelf Semiconductors.
> > The Auto Industry are Custom Fab semiconductors.
> > Ray WA6VAB  K3
> >
> > From: Wayne Burdick
> > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 11:40 AM
> > To: Mark Goldberg
> > Cc: Elecraft Reflector
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of
> the world
> >
> > Indeed, it's a ubiquitous curse. Fortunately we stocked up far in
> advance on most parts and assemblies.
> >
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 29, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > For smaller customers that are not buying millions of parts at a time,
> it
> > > is even worse, as they have no leverage. That includes the company I am
> > > working for and I would assume companies like Elecraft. Even for simple
> > > orders from distributors of in stock parts they are taking a week to
> ship
> > > rather than the usual next day shipment. It is really disruptive.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:20 AM Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> An interesting story from OPB dealing with the global shortage of
> chips...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> https://www.opb.org/article/2021/04/29/it-s-not-just-cars-ipads-and-macs-suffer-from-semiconductor-crunch/
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> 73, and thanks,
> > >> Dave (NK7Z)
> > >> https://www.nk7z.net
> > >> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> > >> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
> > >> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
> > >> ______________________________________________________________
> > >> Elecraft mailing list
> > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From lists at subich.com  Thu Apr 29 17:27:23 2021
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 17:27:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of the
 world
In-Reply-To: <CAPoA2FVAGDHcWZe4FtHFBPbeAZ5LCnBq6uGgedOUy3j9hYFtGw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C74BA41C-62F3-4065-8A07-B314F1F37723@hxcore.ol>
	<21D35619-8C9E-4AE1-9C6E-057FFA476C5A@elecraft.com>
	<524332201.1614394.1619730023293@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CAPoA2FVAGDHcWZe4FtHFBPbeAZ5LCnBq6uGgedOUy3j9hYFtGw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2e82c43f-668c-072f-c2cc-b16ac0968e0f@subich.com>


Welcome to the world of "just in time" inventory meets off shore
production.  Then couple that with a Chinese Communist Party that
makes sure that Chinese companies get their orders filled before
the rest of the world.  Then don't forget that there are not enough
shipping containers to accommodate all the freight demands.

International commerce is reaping the rewards of concentrating
manufacturing in China while stripping the US & Canada (and to a
lesser extent, Europe) of much of their manufacturing base.

It's not just chips but pharmaceuticals, consumer electronics and
even consumer staples.  The trend will only get worse if the current
administration has its way and increases taxes on business and capital
by 50%.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2021-04-29 5:11 PM, Gary Memory wrote:
> It isn't just IC's.  I placed a $250-ish order from Mouser two days ago.
> Most of the items are common components, with a BO lead-time into
> September.  We live in a different world, at least temporarily if not for a
> long haul?
> 
> Gary N7BRJ
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 5:01 PM Ken B via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> wrote:
> 
>>   Its affecting everything - Tried to by a bunch of 555 timing chips for
>> the local troops scouting project - none around, glad we don't need them
>> till November.
>>
>>      On Thursday, April 29, 2021, 04:50:57 PM EDT, Wayne Burdick <
>> n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>
>>   Many off-the-shelf parts are affected as well.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> ----
>> elecraft.com
>>
>>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 1:13 PM, Linda M <wa6vab at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>> Hi Wayne.
>>> I would think the Parts you use are Off the Shelf Semiconductors.
>>> The Auto Industry are Custom Fab semiconductors.
>>> Ray WA6VAB  K3
>>>
>>> From: Wayne Burdick
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 11:40 AM
>>> To: Mark Goldberg
>>> Cc: Elecraft Reflector
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of
>> the world
>>>
>>> Indeed, it's a ubiquitous curse. Fortunately we stocked up far in
>> advance on most parts and assemblies.
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> For smaller customers that are not buying millions of parts at a time,
>> it
>>>> is even worse, as they have no leverage. That includes the company I am
>>>> working for and I would assume companies like Elecraft. Even for simple
>>>> orders from distributors of in stock parts they are taking a week to
>> ship
>>>> rather than the usual next day shipment. It is really disruptive.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:20 AM Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> An interesting story from OPB dealing with the global shortage of
>> chips...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> https://www.opb.org/article/2021/04/29/it-s-not-just-cars-ipads-and-macs-suffer-from-semiconductor-crunch/
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> 73, and thanks,
>>>>> Dave (NK7Z)
>>>>> https://www.nk7z.net
>>>>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>>>>> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
>>>>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources



From ab2e at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 29 17:34:59 2021
From: ab2e at hotmail.com (AB2E Darrell)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 21:34:59 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of the
 world
In-Reply-To: <2e82c43f-668c-072f-c2cc-b16ac0968e0f@subich.com>
References: <C74BA41C-62F3-4065-8A07-B314F1F37723@hxcore.ol>
	<21D35619-8C9E-4AE1-9C6E-057FFA476C5A@elecraft.com>
	<524332201.1614394.1619730023293@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CAPoA2FVAGDHcWZe4FtHFBPbeAZ5LCnBq6uGgedOUy3j9hYFtGw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<2e82c43f-668c-072f-c2cc-b16ac0968e0f@subich.com>
Message-ID: <BN0PR10MB5128A1B3B2411271938326A49B5F9@BN0PR10MB5128.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

Joe and the group,
A company I used to do business with had a nickname for JIT supplying..... SOL. They actually had it printed on a card JIT=SOL.

73
Darrell AB2E


________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 5:27 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of the world


Welcome to the world of "just in time" inventory meets off shore
production.  Then couple that with a Chinese Communist Party that
makes sure that Chinese companies get their orders filled before
the rest of the world.  Then don't forget that there are not enough
shipping containers to accommodate all the freight demands.

International commerce is reaping the rewards of concentrating
manufacturing in China while stripping the US & Canada (and to a
lesser extent, Europe) of much of their manufacturing base.

It's not just chips but pharmaceuticals, consumer electronics and
even consumer staples.  The trend will only get worse if the current
administration has its way and increases taxes on business and capital
by 50%.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2021-04-29 5:11 PM, Gary Memory wrote:
> It isn't just IC's.  I placed a $250-ish order from Mouser two days ago.
> Most of the items are common components, with a BO lead-time into
> September.  We live in a different world, at least temporarily if not for a
> long haul?
>
> Gary N7BRJ
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 5:01 PM Ken B via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> wrote:
>
>>   Its affecting everything - Tried to by a bunch of 555 timing chips for
>> the local troops scouting project - none around, glad we don't need them
>> till November.
>>
>>      On Thursday, April 29, 2021, 04:50:57 PM EDT, Wayne Burdick <
>> n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>
>>   Many off-the-shelf parts are affected as well.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> ----
>> elecraft.com
>>
>>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 1:13 PM, Linda M <wa6vab at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>> Hi Wayne.
>>> I would think the Parts you use are Off the Shelf Semiconductors.
>>> The Auto Industry are Custom Fab semiconductors.
>>> Ray WA6VAB  K3
>>>
>>> From: Wayne Burdick
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 11:40 AM
>>> To: Mark Goldberg
>>> Cc: Elecraft Reflector
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of
>> the world
>>>
>>> Indeed, it's a ubiquitous curse. Fortunately we stocked up far in
>> advance on most parts and assemblies.
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> For smaller customers that are not buying millions of parts at a time,
>> it
>>>> is even worse, as they have no leverage. That includes the company I am
>>>> working for and I would assume companies like Elecraft. Even for simple
>>>> orders from distributors of in stock parts they are taking a week to
>> ship
>>>> rather than the usual next day shipment. It is really disruptive.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:20 AM Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> An interesting story from OPB dealing with the global shortage of
>> chips...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.opb.org%2Farticle%2F2021%2F04%2F29%2Fit-s-not-just-cars-ipads-and-macs-suffer-from-semiconductor-crunch%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C03c9fabfe8554921092f08d90b559f92%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637553284634272384%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=FJjpt0I3UZlGzvFZSS%2F%2BkzkEBHYIwOisa4m8nwu4iL8%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> 73, and thanks,
>>>>> Dave (NK7Z)
>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nk7z.net%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C03c9fabfe8554921092f08d90b559f92%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637553284634272384%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=iohuoLVKCMX6%2FgHbjNXbMTGTVmk9K4xvDZehILkAY%2FQ%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>>>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>>>>> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
>>>>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources


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From k9gs at gjschwartz.com  Thu Apr 29 17:56:40 2021
From: k9gs at gjschwartz.com (Gary K9GS)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 17:56:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of the
 world
In-Reply-To: <CAPoA2FVAGDHcWZe4FtHFBPbeAZ5LCnBq6uGgedOUy3j9hYFtGw@mail.gmail.com>
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Surface mount capacitors are also in very short supply.About a month ago PCB laminate was also difficult to get.? Not sure if that is still accurate.One problem fueling the shortages is panic buying. Manufacturers placing orders far above what demand is...." just in case".73,Gary K9GS
-------- Original message --------From: Gary Memory <radiomemory at gmail.com> Date: 4/29/21  5:13 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Elecraft Reflector <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of the
 	world It isn't just IC's.? I placed a $250-ish order from Mouser two days ago.Most of the items are common components, with a BO lead-time intoSeptember.? We live in a different world, at least temporarily if not for along haul?Gary N7BRJOn Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 5:01 PM Ken B via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>wrote:>? Its affecting everything - Tried to by a bunch of 555 timing chips for> the local troops scouting project - none around, glad we don't need them> till November.>>???? On Thursday, April 29, 2021, 04:50:57 PM EDT, Wayne Burdick <> n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:>>? Many off-the-shelf parts are affected as well.>> Wayne>> ----> elecraft.com>> > On Apr 29, 2021, at 1:13 PM, Linda M <wa6vab at gmail.com> wrote:> >> > ?> > Hi Wayne.> > I would think the Parts you use are Off the Shelf Semiconductors.> > The Auto Industry are Custom Fab semiconductors.> > Ray WA6VAB? K3> >> > From: Wayne Burdick> > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 11:40 AM> > To: Mark Goldberg> > Cc: Elecraft Reflector> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of> the world> >> > Indeed, it's a ubiquitous curse. Fortunately we stocked up far in> advance on most parts and assemblies.> >> > Wayne> > N6KR> >> >> >> >> > > On Apr 29, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com>> wrote:> > >> > > For smaller customers that are not buying millions of parts at a time,> it> > > is even worse, as they have no leverage. That includes the company I am> > > working for and I would assume companies like Elecraft. Even for simple> > > orders from distributors of in stock parts they are taking a week to> ship> > > rather than the usual next day shipment. It is really disruptive.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > Mark> > >> > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:20 AM Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:> > >> > >> An interesting story from OPB dealing with the global shortage of> chips...> > >>> > >>> > >>> https://www.opb.org/article/2021/04/29/it-s-not-just-cars-ipads-and-macs-suffer-from-semiconductor-crunch/> > >>> > >> --> > >> 73, and thanks,> > >> Dave (NK7Z)> > >> https://www.nk7z.net> > >> ARRL Volunteer Examiner> > >> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI> > >> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources> > >> ______________________________________________________________> > >> Elecraft mailing list> > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> > >>> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net> > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> > >> Message delivered to marklgoldberg at gmail.com> > >>> > > ______________________________________________________________> > > Elecraft mailing list> > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> > >> > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net> > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> > > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com> >> > ______________________________________________________________> > Elecraft mailing list> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> > Message delivered to wa6vab at gmail.com> >> ______________________________________________________________> Elecraft mailing list> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> Message delivered to backhoeken at yahoo.com> ______________________________________________________________> Elecraft mailing list> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> Message delivered to radiomemory at gmail.com______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to k9gs at gjschwartz.com 

From lmecseri at cfl.rr.com  Thu Apr 29 18:06:07 2021
From: lmecseri at cfl.rr.com (Lou Mecseri)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 22:06:07 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of the
 world
In-Reply-To: <BN0PR10MB5128A1B3B2411271938326A49B5F9@BN0PR10MB5128.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
References: <C74BA41C-62F3-4065-8A07-B314F1F37723@hxcore.ol>
	<21D35619-8C9E-4AE1-9C6E-057FFA476C5A@elecraft.com>
	<524332201.1614394.1619730023293@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CAPoA2FVAGDHcWZe4FtHFBPbeAZ5LCnBq6uGgedOUy3j9hYFtGw@mail.gmail.com>
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JIT is a great low cost, effective system as long as it works. It did 
for a while.

But the real issue we refuse to face is to listen to Lenin who had been 
quoted "The Capitalist will sell you the rope to hang him."

And that is what happening, don't blame Communist China, No Far East 
power forced American businessman to "out source" production, only self 
imposed force applied is greed. No loyalty? to employees or to the best 
interest of the U.S. is considered in business decisions, only PROFIT..

73, Lou KE1F?? ..-END....

On 4/29/2021 21:34, AB2E Darrell wrote:
> Joe and the group,
> A company I used to do business with had a nickname for JIT supplying..... SOL. They actually had it printed on a card JIT=SOL.
>
> 73
> Darrell AB2E
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 5:27 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of the world
>
>
> Welcome to the world of "just in time" inventory meets off shore
> production.  Then couple that with a Chinese Communist Party that
> makes sure that Chinese companies get their orders filled before
> the rest of the world.  Then don't forget that there are not enough
> shipping containers to accommodate all the freight demands.
>
> International commerce is reaping the rewards of concentrating
> manufacturing in China while stripping the US & Canada (and to a
> lesser extent, Europe) of much of their manufacturing base.
>
> It's not just chips but pharmaceuticals, consumer electronics and
> even consumer staples.  The trend will only get worse if the current
> administration has its way and increases taxes on business and capital
> by 50%.
>
> 73,
>
>      ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2021-04-29 5:11 PM, Gary Memory wrote:
>> It isn't just IC's.  I placed a $250-ish order from Mouser two days ago.
>> Most of the items are common components, with a BO lead-time into
>> September.  We live in a different world, at least temporarily if not for a
>> long haul?
>>
>> Gary N7BRJ
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 5:01 PM Ken B via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>    Its affecting everything - Tried to by a bunch of 555 timing chips for
>>> the local troops scouting project - none around, glad we don't need them
>>> till November.
>>>
>>>       On Thursday, April 29, 2021, 04:50:57 PM EDT, Wayne Burdick <
>>> n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>    Many off-the-shelf parts are affected as well.
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>>
>>> ----
>>> elecraft.com
>>>
>>>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 1:13 PM, Linda M <wa6vab at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>> Hi Wayne.
>>>> I would think the Parts you use are Off the Shelf Semiconductors.
>>>> The Auto Industry are Custom Fab semiconductors.
>>>> Ray WA6VAB  K3
>>>>
>>>> From: Wayne Burdick
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 11:40 AM
>>>> To: Mark Goldberg
>>>> Cc: Elecraft Reflector
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of
>>> the world
>>>> Indeed, it's a ubiquitous curse. Fortunately we stocked up far in
>>> advance on most parts and assemblies.
>>>> Wayne
>>>> N6KR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> For smaller customers that are not buying millions of parts at a time,
>>> it
>>>>> is even worse, as they have no leverage. That includes the company I am
>>>>> working for and I would assume companies like Elecraft. Even for simple
>>>>> orders from distributors of in stock parts they are taking a week to
>>> ship
>>>>> rather than the usual next day shipment. It is really disruptive.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:20 AM Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> An interesting story from OPB dealing with the global shortage of
>>> chips...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.opb.org%2Farticle%2F2021%2F04%2F29%2Fit-s-not-just-cars-ipads-and-macs-suffer-from-semiconductor-crunch%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C03c9fabfe8554921092f08d90b559f92%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637553284634272384%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=FJjpt0I3UZlGzvFZSS%2F%2BkzkEBHYIwOisa4m8nwu4iL8%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> 73, and thanks,
>>>>>> Dave (NK7Z)
>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nk7z.net%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C03c9fabfe8554921092f08d90b559f92%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637553284634272384%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=iohuoLVKCMX6%2FgHbjNXbMTGTVmk9K4xvDZehILkAY%2FQ%3D&amp;reserved=0
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From lmecseri at cfl.rr.com  Thu Apr 29 18:09:14 2021
From: lmecseri at cfl.rr.com (Lou Mecseri)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 22:09:14 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of the
 world
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	<21D35619-8C9E-4AE1-9C6E-057FFA476C5A@elecraft.com>
	<524332201.1614394.1619730023293@mail.yahoo.com>
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Elecraft group seems to be an exception. Perhaps ther are a few others.

&3, Lou KE1F

On 4/29/2021 22:06, Lou Mecseri wrote:
> JIT is a great low cost, effective system as long as it works. It did 
> for a while.
>
> But the real issue we refuse to face is to listen to Lenin who had 
> been quoted "The Capitalist will sell you the rope to hang him."
>
> And that is what happening, don't blame Communist China, No Far East 
> power forced American businessman to "out source" production, only 
> self imposed force applied is greed. No loyalty? to employees or to 
> the best interest of the U.S. is considered in business decisions, 
> only PROFIT..
>
> 73, Lou KE1F?? ..-END....
>
> On 4/29/2021 21:34, AB2E Darrell wrote:
>> Joe and the group,
>> A company I used to do business with had a nickname for JIT 
>> supplying..... SOL. They actually had it printed on a card JIT=SOL.
>>
>> 73
>> Darrell AB2E
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
>> <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Joe Subich, W4TV 
>> <lists at subich.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 5:27 PM
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of 
>> the world
>>
>>
>> Welcome to the world of "just in time" inventory meets off shore
>> production.? Then couple that with a Chinese Communist Party that
>> makes sure that Chinese companies get their orders filled before
>> the rest of the world.? Then don't forget that there are not enough
>> shipping containers to accommodate all the freight demands.
>>
>> International commerce is reaping the rewards of concentrating
>> manufacturing in China while stripping the US & Canada (and to a
>> lesser extent, Europe) of much of their manufacturing base.
>>
>> It's not just chips but pharmaceuticals, consumer electronics and
>> even consumer staples.? The trend will only get worse if the current
>> administration has its way and increases taxes on business and capital
>> by 50%.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> ???? ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>> On 2021-04-29 5:11 PM, Gary Memory wrote:
>>> It isn't just IC's.? I placed a $250-ish order from Mouser two days 
>>> ago.
>>> Most of the items are common components, with a BO lead-time into
>>> September.? We live in a different world, at least temporarily if 
>>> not for a
>>> long haul?
>>>
>>> Gary N7BRJ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 5:01 PM Ken B via Elecraft 
>>> <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ?? Its affecting everything - Tried to by a bunch of 555 timing 
>>>> chips for
>>>> the local troops scouting project - none around, glad we don't need 
>>>> them
>>>> till November.
>>>>
>>>> ????? On Thursday, April 29, 2021, 04:50:57 PM EDT, Wayne Burdick <
>>>> n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?? Many off-the-shelf parts are affected as well.
>>>>
>>>> Wayne
>>>>
>>>> ----
>>>> elecraft.com
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 1:13 PM, Linda M <wa6vab at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?
>>>>> Hi Wayne.
>>>>> I would think the Parts you use are Off the Shelf Semiconductors.
>>>>> The Auto Industry are Custom Fab semiconductors.
>>>>> Ray WA6VAB? K3
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Wayne Burdick
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 11:40 AM
>>>>> To: Mark Goldberg
>>>>> Cc: Elecraft Reflector
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of
>>>> the world
>>>>> Indeed, it's a ubiquitous curse. Fortunately we stocked up far in
>>>> advance on most parts and assemblies.
>>>>> Wayne
>>>>> N6KR
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Mark Goldberg 
>>>>>> <marklgoldberg at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> For smaller customers that are not buying millions of parts at a 
>>>>>> time,
>>>> it
>>>>>> is even worse, as they have no leverage. That includes the 
>>>>>> company I am
>>>>>> working for and I would assume companies like Elecraft. Even for 
>>>>>> simple
>>>>>> orders from distributors of in stock parts they are taking a week to
>>>> ship
>>>>>> rather than the usual next day shipment. It is really disruptive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:20 AM Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An interesting story from OPB dealing with the global shortage of
>>>> chips...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.opb.org%2Farticle%2F2021%2F04%2F29%2Fit-s-not-just-cars-ipads-and-macs-suffer-from-semiconductor-crunch%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C03c9fabfe8554921092f08d90b559f92%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637553284634272384%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=FJjpt0I3UZlGzvFZSS%2F%2BkzkEBHYIwOisa4m8nwu4iL8%3D&amp;reserved=0 
>>>>
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> 73, and thanks,
>>>>>>> Dave (NK7Z)
>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nk7z.net%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C03c9fabfe8554921092f08d90b559f92%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637553284634272384%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=iohuoLVKCMX6%2FgHbjNXbMTGTVmk9K4xvDZehILkAY%2FQ%3D&amp;reserved=0 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>>>>>>> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
>>>>>>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>>
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From k9yeq at live.com  Thu Apr 29 19:27:17 2021
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 23:27:17 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of
	the	world
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	<21D35619-8C9E-4AE1-9C6E-057FFA476C5A@elecraft.com>
	<524332201.1614394.1619730023293@mail.yahoo.com>
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So sorry, but this pandemic and all the supply issues fit nicely into an economic war, not just a firearms war.  The economic war has only just begun which I had guessed would happen just after the Japanese, then the S. Koreans now the Chinese.  This is a cultural war destined to get the US into their stronghold.  But the Japanese and Koreans are now in our arena?

I hope the chips and high tech will move back to US like the good old days.  Too bad for our US companies to be too slow to react, or the government taxes and labor practices to remove our own manufacturing.  If we had chips here, Elecraft, maybe others, perhaps could get parts?

Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Gary Memory
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 4:12 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of the world

It isn't just IC's.  I placed a $250-ish order from Mouser two days ago.
Most of the items are common components, with a BO lead-time into September.  We live in a different world, at least temporarily if not for a long haul?

Gary N7BRJ


On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 5:01 PM Ken B via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
wrote:

>  Its affecting everything - Tried to by a bunch of 555 timing chips 
> for the local troops scouting project - none around, glad we don't 
> need them till November.
>
>     On Thursday, April 29, 2021, 04:50:57 PM EDT, Wayne Burdick < 
> n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>
>  Many off-the-shelf parts are affected as well.
>
> Wayne
>
> ----
> elecraft.com
>
> > On Apr 29, 2021, at 1:13 PM, Linda M <wa6vab at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > Hi Wayne.
> > I would think the Parts you use are Off the Shelf Semiconductors.
> > The Auto Industry are Custom Fab semiconductors.
> > Ray WA6VAB  K3
> >
> > From: Wayne Burdick
> > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 11:40 AM
> > To: Mark Goldberg
> > Cc: Elecraft Reflector
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users 
> > of
> the world
> >
> > Indeed, it's a ubiquitous curse. Fortunately we stocked up far in
> advance on most parts and assemblies.
> >
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 29, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Mark Goldberg 
> > > <marklgoldberg at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > For smaller customers that are not buying millions of parts at a 
> > > time,
> it
> > > is even worse, as they have no leverage. That includes the company 
> > > I am working for and I would assume companies like Elecraft. Even 
> > > for simple orders from distributors of in stock parts they are 
> > > taking a week to
> ship
> > > rather than the usual next day shipment. It is really disruptive.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:20 AM Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> An interesting story from OPB dealing with the global shortage of
> chips...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> https://www.opb.org/article/2021/04/29/it-s-not-just-cars-ipads-and-ma
> cs-suffer-from-semiconductor-crunch/
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> 73, and thanks,
> > >> Dave (NK7Z)
> > >> https://www.nk7z.net
> > >> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> > >> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
> > >> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources 
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Apr 29 19:36:39 2021
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 16:36:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of the
 world
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	<21D35619-8C9E-4AE1-9C6E-057FFA476C5A@elecraft.com>
	<524332201.1614394.1619730023293@mail.yahoo.com>
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I'm staying out of the politics. But clearly it'll be a banner year for the hat, T-shirt, and coffee mug makers of the world. No silicon.

Wayne
N6KR 


> On Apr 29, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Bill Johnson <k9yeq at live.com> wrote:
> 
> So sorry, but this pandemic and all the supply issues fit nicely into an economic war, not just a firearms war.  The economic war has only just begun which I had guessed would happen just after the Japanese, then the S. Koreans now the Chinese.  This is a cultural war destined to get the US into their stronghold.  But the Japanese and Koreans are now in our arena?
> 
> I hope the chips and high tech will move back to US like the good old days.  Too bad for our US companies to be too slow to react, or the government taxes and labor practices to remove our own manufacturing.  If we had chips here, Elecraft, maybe others, perhaps could get parts?
> 
> Bill
> K9YEQ



From richgilley123 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 29 20:23:17 2021
From: richgilley123 at gmail.com (richard gilley)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 20:23:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Locked on Ant 1
Message-ID: <ACA49961-3644-40D3-8DD7-6643A4D33189@gmail.com>

Looking for thoughts on my KAT500 that remains locked on Ant 1, cannot change to ant 2, manually or via the Elecraft utility regardless of the mode setting,   Set configuration to a later set up still no joy.  And of course does not tune, no relay actions, no caps set or inductors shown in utility. 
I am not aware of any electrical storms in the area.

Appreciate hearing from anyone who has an idea.

Thank you all.
AD1G

From hsherriff at reagan.com  Thu Apr 29 20:29:58 2021
From: hsherriff at reagan.com (Harlan Sherriff)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 20:29:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of the
	world
In-Reply-To: <2e82c43f-668c-072f-c2cc-b16ac0968e0f@subich.com>
References: <2e82c43f-668c-072f-c2cc-b16ac0968e0f@subich.com>
Message-ID: <225E5411-A01C-4710-9A6D-8A9E1B66776E@reagan.com>

Amazon has 50 piece NE555 for $5.39 ready to ship, two day delivery 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 29, 2021, at 5:29 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Welcome to the world of "just in time" inventory meets off shore
> production.  Then couple that with a Chinese Communist Party that
> makes sure that Chinese companies get their orders filled before
> the rest of the world.  Then don't forget that there are not enough
> shipping containers to accommodate all the freight demands.
> 
> International commerce is reaping the rewards of concentrating
> manufacturing in China while stripping the US & Canada (and to a
> lesser extent, Europe) of much of their manufacturing base.
> 
> It's not just chips but pharmaceuticals, consumer electronics and
> even consumer staples.  The trend will only get worse if the current
> administration has its way and increases taxes on business and capital
> by 50%.
> 
> 73,
> 
>   ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
>> On 2021-04-29 5:11 PM, Gary Memory wrote:
>> It isn't just IC's.  I placed a $250-ish order from Mouser two days ago.
>> Most of the items are common components, with a BO lead-time into
>> September.  We live in a different world, at least temporarily if not for a
>> long haul?
>> Gary N7BRJ
>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 5:01 PM Ken B via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>  Its affecting everything - Tried to by a bunch of 555 timing chips for
>>> the local troops scouting project - none around, glad we don't need them
>>> till November.
>>> 
>>>     On Thursday, April 29, 2021, 04:50:57 PM EDT, Wayne Burdick <
>>> n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Many off-the-shelf parts are affected as well.
>>> 
>>> Wayne
>>> 
>>> ----
>>> elecraft.com
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 1:13 PM, Linda M <wa6vab at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> Hi Wayne.
>>>> I would think the Parts you use are Off the Shelf Semiconductors.
>>>> The Auto Industry are Custom Fab semiconductors.
>>>> Ray WA6VAB  K3
>>>> 
>>>> From: Wayne Burdick
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 11:40 AM
>>>> To: Mark Goldberg
>>>> Cc: Elecraft Reflector
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of
>>> the world
>>>> 
>>>> Indeed, it's a ubiquitous curse. Fortunately we stocked up far in
>>> advance on most parts and assemblies.
>>>> 
>>>> Wayne
>>>> N6KR
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> For smaller customers that are not buying millions of parts at a time,
>>> it
>>>>> is even worse, as they have no leverage. That includes the company I am
>>>>> working for and I would assume companies like Elecraft. Even for simple
>>>>> orders from distributors of in stock parts they are taking a week to
>>> ship
>>>>> rather than the usual next day shipment. It is really disruptive.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mark
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:20 AM Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> An interesting story from OPB dealing with the global shortage of
>>> chips...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>> https://www.opb.org/article/2021/04/29/it-s-not-just-cars-ipads-and-macs-suffer-from-semiconductor-crunch/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> 73, and thanks,
>>>>>> Dave (NK7Z)
>>>>>> https://www.nk7z.net
>>>>>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>>>>>> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
>>>>>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
> 
> 
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From dick at elecraft.com  Thu Apr 29 20:32:49 2021
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 17:32:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Locked on Ant 1
In-Reply-To: <ACA49961-3644-40D3-8DD7-6643A4D33189@gmail.com>
References: <ACA49961-3644-40D3-8DD7-6643A4D33189@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000801d73d58$59749d30$0c5dd790$@elecraft.com>

One of your antennas might be disabled.

Check the KAT500 Utility, Configuration, Edit Configuration, Antennas tab.
Perhaps the "Enabled" checkbox is off for ANT2.  This is a per-band setting.

73 de Dick, K6KR


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of richard gilley
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 17:23
To: George Pasek via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Locked on Ant 1

Looking for thoughts on my KAT500 that remains locked on Ant 1, cannot
change to ant 2, manually or via the Elecraft utility regardless of the mode
setting,   Set configuration to a later set up still no joy.  And of course
does not tune, no relay actions, no caps set or inductors shown in utility. 
I am not aware of any electrical storms in the area.

Appreciate hearing from anyone who has an idea.

Thank you all.
AD1G
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From eric at elecraft.com  Thu Apr 29 20:46:07 2021
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 17:46:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of the
	world
In-Reply-To: <225E5411-A01C-4710-9A6D-8A9E1B66776E@reagan.com>
References: <2e82c43f-668c-072f-c2cc-b16ac0968e0f@subich.com>
	<225E5411-A01C-4710-9A6D-8A9E1B66776E@reagan.com>
Message-ID: <CAGe0YDah6gpYgeDzq8_b_2cq3vTsxrTUP7CEhATn0S4xXuXCCA@mail.gmail.com>

[TOPIC CLOSED}

Folks we are way off topic for the Elecraft list and this is also exceeding
the regular off topic limits.  Please end the thread at this time.

73,
Eric  WA6HHQ
*Elecraft List moderator, when I 'm not expediting K4s out the door :-)*
*elecraft.com <http://elecraft.com>*


On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 5:31 PM Harlan Sherriff via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Amazon has 50 piece NE555 for $5.39 ready to ship, two day delivery
>
>
>

From paul.gacek at me.com  Thu Apr 29 20:47:25 2021
From: paul.gacek at me.com (Paul GACEK)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 17:47:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of
	the	world
In-Reply-To: <225E5411-A01C-4710-9A6D-8A9E1B66776E@reagan.com>
References: <225E5411-A01C-4710-9A6D-8A9E1B66776E@reagan.com>
Message-ID: <3EDE234B-CECF-401D-8784-45B67FA2C95A@me.com>

Staring out at the LA seashore, I see scads of ships waiting to offload in numbers I?ve never seen before. Whatever the legitimate reason for that bottleneck, it must compound the delay of possibly scarce items including commodity ICs.

I think we only have one silicon foundry  stateside in AZ and I think run by Intel. A stunning amount of critical chips are made in Taiwan which seems to be the object of desire for a neighbor to its right.

While government involvement through policy or incentives is a spirited topic to discuss, I think the EU has invested a lot more money in trying to have more foundries than we have. Leaving things to market forces has unintended consequences.

I can now finally justify my unbuilt Elecraft kit collection under the guise of anticipating a global shortage.

Paul
W6PNG 

> On Apr 29, 2021, at 5:30 PM, Harlan Sherriff via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Amazon has 50 piece NE555 for $5.39 ready to ship, two day delivery 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 5:29 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Welcome to the world of "just in time" inventory meets off shore
>> production.  Then couple that with a Chinese Communist Party that
>> makes sure that Chinese companies get their orders filled before
>> the rest of the world.  Then don't forget that there are not enough
>> shipping containers to accommodate all the freight demands.
>> 
>> International commerce is reaping the rewards of concentrating
>> manufacturing in China while stripping the US & Canada (and to a
>> lesser extent, Europe) of much of their manufacturing base.
>> 
>> It's not just chips but pharmaceuticals, consumer electronics and
>> even consumer staples.  The trend will only get worse if the current
>> administration has its way and increases taxes on business and capital
>> by 50%.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>>  ... Joe, W4TV
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 2021-04-29 5:11 PM, Gary Memory wrote:
>>> It isn't just IC's.  I placed a $250-ish order from Mouser two days ago.
>>> Most of the items are common components, with a BO lead-time into
>>> September.  We live in a different world, at least temporarily if not for a
>>> long haul?
>>> Gary N7BRJ
>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 5:01 PM Ken B via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Its affecting everything - Tried to by a bunch of 555 timing chips for
>>>> the local troops scouting project - none around, glad we don't need them
>>>> till November.
>>>> 
>>>>    On Thursday, April 29, 2021, 04:50:57 PM EDT, Wayne Burdick <
>>>> n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Many off-the-shelf parts are affected as well.
>>>> 
>>>> Wayne
>>>> 
>>>> ----
>>>> elecraft.com
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 1:13 PM, Linda M <wa6vab at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?
>>>>> Hi Wayne.
>>>>> I would think the Parts you use are Off the Shelf Semiconductors.
>>>>> The Auto Industry are Custom Fab semiconductors.
>>>>> Ray WA6VAB  K3
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Wayne Burdick
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 11:40 AM
>>>>> To: Mark Goldberg
>>>>> Cc: Elecraft Reflector
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of
>>>> the world
>>>>> 
>>>>> Indeed, it's a ubiquitous curse. Fortunately we stocked up far in
>>>> advance on most parts and assemblies.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wayne
>>>>> N6KR
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For smaller customers that are not buying millions of parts at a time,
>>>> it
>>>>>> is even worse, as they have no leverage. That includes the company I am
>>>>>> working for and I would assume companies like Elecraft. Even for simple
>>>>>> orders from distributors of in stock parts they are taking a week to
>>>> ship
>>>>>> rather than the usual next day shipment. It is really disruptive.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:20 AM Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> An interesting story from OPB dealing with the global shortage of
>>>> chips...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>> https://www.opb.org/article/2021/04/29/it-s-not-just-cars-ipads-and-macs-suffer-from-semiconductor-crunch/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> 73, and thanks,
>>>>>>> Dave (NK7Z)
>>>>>>> https://www.nk7z.net
>>>>>>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>>>>>>> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
>>>>>>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>> 
>> 
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From reillyjf at gmail.com  Thu Apr 29 23:18:59 2021
From: reillyjf at gmail.com (John Reilly)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 21:18:59 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] RTTY Questions
Message-ID: <673dd418-a15c-25fd-6ae3-e78746bb3294@gmail.com>

I have two K3 questions:
 ? ?1. In Data MD, AFSk A, you can set the baud rate to either 45 or 75. 
Is the baud rate just for the RTTY reader? Does it affect anything else?
 ? ?2. With my K3s power set to 100w, RTTY starts at a little below 50w 
and and then fairly slowly builds to 100w (measured on an external 
wattmeter). I've done a TX calibration -- no change. What is going on?

Thanks,
 ? - 73, John, N0TA

From ch at murgatroid.com  Thu Apr 29 23:35:49 2021
From: ch at murgatroid.com (Christopher Hoover)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 20:35:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of the
	world
In-Reply-To: <2b088eb6-f64a-a73b-404f-fd8d6780252c@nk7z.net>
References: <2b088eb6-f64a-a73b-404f-fd8d6780252c@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <CACw0PsZTncA3dWpQ012=OkvGDOmWAQ1jk_r6vMYujV3j5Yb5CQ@mail.gmail.com>

This has been a problem on and off for at least five years.

It is somewhat worse now than it has been recently, but it is more of the
same.

I had to design out the uC on Google Glass Enterprise Edition 2 (EE2) in
2018 the week before we were supposed to gerber out for our proto build.
 I found 1000 pieces of a suitable alternative *in stock* at Digikey that I
immediately bought on  my credit card that would carry us through proto and
EVT, and our GSM  simultaneously secured an allocation from the supplier
for what we needed production.

73 de Ai6KG
-- Christopher.



On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:20 AM Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:

> An interesting story from OPB dealing with the global shortage of chips...
>
>
> https://www.opb.org/article/2021/04/29/it-s-not-just-cars-ipads-and-macs-suffer-from-semiconductor-crunch/
>
> --
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
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From k6mr at outlook.com  Thu Apr 29 23:41:09 2021
From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 03:41:09 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] RTTY Questions
In-Reply-To: <673dd418-a15c-25fd-6ae3-e78746bb3294@gmail.com>
References: <673dd418-a15c-25fd-6ae3-e78746bb3294@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR07MB6214B9313E4087E62037A1EC9E5E9@BYAPR07MB6214.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

My radios only do the power ramp up the first time you transmit after changing bands.  Doesn?t take that long though.  Less than one second I would guess.  As noted, it?s the power control loop.  Usually it?s not that noticeable.

Ken K6MR

From: John Reilly<mailto:reillyjf at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 20:21
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] RTTY Questions

I have two K3 questions:
    1. In Data MD, AFSk A, you can set the baud rate to either 45 or 75.
Is the baud rate just for the RTTY reader? Does it affect anything else?
    2. With my K3s power set to 100w, RTTY starts at a little below 50w
and and then fairly slowly builds to 100w (measured on an external
wattmeter). I've done a TX calibration -- no change. What is going on?

Thanks,
   - 73, John, N0TA
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From n6tv at arrl.net  Thu Apr 29 23:58:58 2021
From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 20:58:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] RTTY Questions
In-Reply-To: <673dd418-a15c-25fd-6ae3-e78746bb3294@gmail.com>
References: <673dd418-a15c-25fd-6ae3-e78746bb3294@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOmNKGLb7yXhGv2FtZZJK6kQi7xUqbHwGGDBxm0jHKcgS4KHKw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 8:20 PM John Reilly <reillyjf at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have two K3 questions:
>     1. In Data MD, AFSk A, you can set the baud rate to either 45 or 75.
> Is the baud rate just for the RTTY reader?


Yes

Does it affect anything else?
>

No.

    2. With my K3s power set to 100w, RTTY starts at a little below 50w
> and and then fairly slowly builds to 100w (measured on an external
> wattmeter). I've done a TX calibration -- no change. What is going on?


You may have lost a final.  How to confirn (TNX WE6R):

1. Mode: SSB
2. Band: 160m
3. Power: 10W
4. Speak into the microphone and listen on another receiver.
5. Continue speaking while listening on the other receiver and slowly
increasing the power.
6. If the received audio becomes terribly distorted once you get above 13
or 14 watts, it usually means that you need to have the unit repaired to
replace a final.

GL.

73,
Bob, N6TV

From jboehner01 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 30 00:15:53 2021
From: jboehner01 at yahoo.com (James F. Boehner, MD)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 00:15:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 interface to KPA-1500
References: <001001d73d77$83441a40$89cc4ec0$.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001001d73d77$83441a40$89cc4ec0$@yahoo.com>

Is there information anywhere on how to interface the K4 to a KPA-1500 with
the use of a KPAK3AUX cable?  Is it straightforward as with the K3?

 

Is there a direct connection between the Tx sample connectors on the two
units?  Is there a setting in the K4 that must be made to use the Tx sample?

 

Thanks!

 

'73 de JIM N2ZZ


From n6tv at arrl.net  Fri Apr 30 00:37:09 2021
From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 21:37:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 interface to KPA-1500
In-Reply-To: <001001d73d77$83441a40$89cc4ec0$@yahoo.com>
References: <001001d73d77$83441a40$89cc4ec0$.ref@yahoo.com>
	<001001d73d77$83441a40$89cc4ec0$@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAOmNKGKHkwiUM-ajyk-SZy0B7DXoBP5EAjG+kvcJ_41JXBgcqg@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, identical AUX cable (and/or Y-BOX) works fine.

TX Sample is not yet implemented (could be a while).  I recommend leaving
that connector unused until further notice.

73,
Bob, N6TV
https://bit.ly/Y-BOX

On Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 9:16 PM James F. Boehner, MD via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Is there information anywhere on how to interface the K4 to a KPA-1500 with
> the use of a KPAK3AUX cable?  Is it straightforward as with the K3?
>
>
>
> Is there a direct connection between the Tx sample connectors on the two
> units?  Is there a setting in the K4 that must be made to use the Tx
> sample?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> '73 de JIM N2ZZ
>
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From n6tv at arrl.net  Fri Apr 30 00:38:24 2021
From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 21:38:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 interface to KPA-1500
In-Reply-To: <001001d73d77$83441a40$89cc4ec0$@yahoo.com>
References: <001001d73d77$83441a40$89cc4ec0$.ref@yahoo.com>
	<001001d73d77$83441a40$89cc4ec0$@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAOmNKGJ-ss+Z5sedvS3iKmXFqxLHwgcaxmCa0vesQO74ASDZOQ@mail.gmail.com>

Also be sure to set RADIO TYPE to K4 in the KPA1500 menu. If you don't see
it listed, upgrade the KPA1500 firmware.

73,
Bob, N6TV

On Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 9:16 PM James F. Boehner, MD via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Is there information anywhere on how to interface the K4 to a KPA-1500 with
> the use of a KPAK3AUX cable?  Is it straightforward as with the K3?
>
>
>
> Is there a direct connection between the Tx sample connectors on the two
> units?  Is there a setting in the K4 that must be made to use the Tx
> sample?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> '73 de JIM N2ZZ
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From w3flh at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 30 08:47:15 2021
From: w3flh at hotmail.com (W3FLH)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 05:47:15 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of the
	world
In-Reply-To: <BN0PR10MB5128A1B3B2411271938326A49B5F9@BN0PR10MB5128.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
References: <2b088eb6-f64a-a73b-404f-fd8d6780252c@nk7z.net>
	<CAKn+a3urfPg-gCP13M87kkFYpqPBFRP__inL9KZVKP_poyrAaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<23D91283-5F52-4670-BA19-957554606D0F@elecraft.com>
	<C74BA41C-62F3-4065-8A07-B314F1F37723@hxcore.ol>
	<21D35619-8C9E-4AE1-9C6E-057FFA476C5A@elecraft.com>
	<524332201.1614394.1619730023293@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CAPoA2FVAGDHcWZe4FtHFBPbeAZ5LCnBq6uGgedOUy3j9hYFtGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<2e82c43f-668c-072f-c2cc-b16ac0968e0f@subich.com>
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Message-ID: <1619786835127-0.post@n2.nabble.com>


Joe and the group,
A company I used to do business with had a nickname for JIT supplying.....
SOL. They actually had it printed on a card JIT=SOL.

73
Darrell AB2E



To chime in on "JIT" philosophy - we have a name for it, too:  Just Isn't
There.

It leaves no "wiggle-room" if there are any changes in production - you're
dead in the water.

Tony W3FLH




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From louandzip at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 30 08:59:14 2021
From: louandzip at yahoo.com (Louandzip)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 12:59:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of
	the	world
In-Reply-To: <1619786835127-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <2b088eb6-f64a-a73b-404f-fd8d6780252c@nk7z.net>
	<CAKn+a3urfPg-gCP13M87kkFYpqPBFRP__inL9KZVKP_poyrAaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<23D91283-5F52-4670-BA19-957554606D0F@elecraft.com>
	<C74BA41C-62F3-4065-8A07-B314F1F37723@hxcore.ol>
	<21D35619-8C9E-4AE1-9C6E-057FFA476C5A@elecraft.com>
	<524332201.1614394.1619730023293@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CAPoA2FVAGDHcWZe4FtHFBPbeAZ5LCnBq6uGgedOUy3j9hYFtGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<2e82c43f-668c-072f-c2cc-b16ac0968e0f@subich.com>
	<BN0PR10MB5128A1B3B2411271938326A49B5F9@BN0PR10MB5128.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
	<1619786835127-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1154207678.1353153.1619787554334@mail.yahoo.com>

 We called it the OSWO method of inventory control.? "Oh S*** We're Out"
W7HV

    On Friday, April 30, 2021, 6:48:13 AM MDT, W3FLH <w3flh at hotmail.com> wrote:  
 
 
Joe and the group,
A company I used to do business with had a nickname for JIT supplying.....
SOL. They actually had it printed on a card JIT=SOL.

73
Darrell AB2E



To chime in on "JIT" philosophy - we have a name for it, too:? Just Isn't
There.

It leaves no "wiggle-room" if there are any changes in production - you're
dead in the water.

Tony W3FLH




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From lawresh at woh.rr.com  Fri Apr 30 10:54:41 2021
From: lawresh at woh.rr.com (SteveL)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 10:54:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of
	the	world
In-Reply-To: <1154207678.1353153.1619787554334@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2b088eb6-f64a-a73b-404f-fd8d6780252c@nk7z.net>
	<CAKn+a3urfPg-gCP13M87kkFYpqPBFRP__inL9KZVKP_poyrAaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<23D91283-5F52-4670-BA19-957554606D0F@elecraft.com>
	<C74BA41C-62F3-4065-8A07-B314F1F37723@hxcore.ol>
	<21D35619-8C9E-4AE1-9C6E-057FFA476C5A@elecraft.com>
	<524332201.1614394.1619730023293@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CAPoA2FVAGDHcWZe4FtHFBPbeAZ5LCnBq6uGgedOUy3j9hYFtGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<2e82c43f-668c-072f-c2cc-b16ac0968e0f@subich.com>
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	<1619786835127-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1154207678.1353153.1619787554334@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <28D0A7EC-824B-4B7F-80EB-74DBC9E75B9A@woh.rr.com>

Great laugh out of this, thank you!  
And so true?  JIT depends on so many things working, which are not now for myriads of reasons.

I could barely wrap my brain around 20,000 containers on a single boat, wedged across the Suez no less - and blocking how many more?!  In some ways it reveals how strategic some mundane things are - like shipping containers or a boat - in the economy of the world.  Kind of scary, really.

It highlights both the magic and the simplicity of HF radio we use:  a K1 or KX1 or Tuna Tin II..., a battery, a switch, and a wire in a local tree and we?re on the air around the world.  To hear a signal reach me directly from half way around the world is truly magic.

Steve
aa8af

> On Apr 30, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Louandzip via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> We called it the OSWO method of inventory control.  "Oh S*** We're Out"
> W7HV
> 


From macymonkeys at charter.net  Fri Apr 30 12:18:08 2021
From: macymonkeys at charter.net (Macy monkeys)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 09:18:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Got Mojo?
Message-ID: <1F4FAB33-8D28-4A1C-BD38-3DE65FB92E57@charter.net>

I'm sitting here in a vintage Elecraft 'Got Mojo?' T-shirt. My XYL N7SG found it sitting in our bottom dresser drawer. Must be 20 years old. Amazingly, it still fits :)

John K7FD

From macymonkeys at charter.net  Fri Apr 30 12:55:23 2021
From: macymonkeys at charter.net (Macy monkeys)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 09:55:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Got Mojo?
In-Reply-To: <586E9B20-CF77-4FBE-AC9B-468C69C6383B@aol.com>
References: <1F4FAB33-8D28-4A1C-BD38-3DE65FB92E57@charter.net>
	<586E9B20-CF77-4FBE-AC9B-468C69C6383B@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F8A05434-215F-456C-A454-2E3E19DC58C2@charter.net>

Now that's putting your money where your mouth is! Great smile!

John K7FD

> On Apr 30, 2021, at 9:42 AM, Richard Isaacs <goldporsche944 at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> Wanna see Mojo? Here?s how a friend of mine spent his Stimulus Cheque.<CE056077-66DA-41B6-8A5C-45250C2CF7A9.jpeg>
> 
>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Macy monkeys <macymonkeys at charter.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm sitting here in a vintage Elecraft 'Got Mojo?' T-shirt. My XYL N7SG found it sitting in our bottom dresser drawer. Must be 20 years old. Amazingly, it still fits :)
>> 
>> John K7FD
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From eric at elecraft.com  Fri Apr 30 13:25:40 2021
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 10:25:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] This does not bode well for the chip users of the
	world
In-Reply-To: <1619786835127-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <2b088eb6-f64a-a73b-404f-fd8d6780252c@nk7z.net>
	<CAKn+a3urfPg-gCP13M87kkFYpqPBFRP__inL9KZVKP_poyrAaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<23D91283-5F52-4670-BA19-957554606D0F@elecraft.com>
	<C74BA41C-62F3-4065-8A07-B314F1F37723@hxcore.ol>
	<21D35619-8C9E-4AE1-9C6E-057FFA476C5A@elecraft.com>
	<524332201.1614394.1619730023293@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CAPoA2FVAGDHcWZe4FtHFBPbeAZ5LCnBq6uGgedOUy3j9hYFtGw@mail.gmail.com>
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Folks - This thread was closed yesterday due to its high OT volume.  Please
respect this closure.

73,
Eric
List mooderator from time to time.. ;-)

*elecraft.com <http://elecraft.com>*


On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 5:48 AM W3FLH <w3flh at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Joe and the group,
> A company I used to do business with had a nickname for JIT supplying.....
> SOL. They actually had it printed on a card JIT=SOL.
>
> 73
> Darrell AB2E
>
>
>
> To chime in on "JIT" philosophy - we have a name for it, too:  Just Isn't
> There.
>
> It leaves no "wiggle-room" if there are any changes in production - you're
> dead in the water.
>
> Tony W3FLH
>
>
>
>
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From dana.roode at gmail.com  Fri Apr 30 13:44:37 2021
From: dana.roode at gmail.com (Dana Roode K6NR)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 10:44:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Chirp
In-Reply-To: <CAEhu_syTtqQTjvrTYu7+jEavVAkfmbyQ11mfU5Jgk6Cm9ip8JA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEhu_syTtqQTjvrTYu7+jEavVAkfmbyQ11mfU5Jgk6Cm9ip8JA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEhu_szsqqYp+2zbf6GmUDWQfCaPsHfGKzTQhALfedyx7RLj_A@mail.gmail.com>

Let me give this another try.  Anyone out there ever have an issue with a
CW Chirp from a K3?   Mine seems to be intermittent, it's not always
present.  I've got a spare K3, I guess I will drive out to the station and
swap out the one there now.  If it's not the power supply, the only other
thing I can think of is an issue with the KSYN3 board.  I can try the
calibration Wayne mentioned in his 2017 post.

  Dana


On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 5:21 PM Dana Roode K6NR <dana.roode at gmail.com>
wrote:

> It was reported today by several folks who heard my CW signal that I have
> a bad chirp - I was operating on 20 meters during CWT.  I listened to the
> signal myself (my station is 80 miles away and I can listen on a local
> transceiver).  Someone also sent me a recording.
>
> I've been using the same K3, KPA1500, and Astron power supply for many
> years.  I shut off the amp and could still hear the chirp.
>
> One thought is that it has something to do with my power supply, although
> I saw a previous posting that made that seem unlikely (below).  Wayne
> mentioned something about KSYSN3 calibration, I had not heard of that
> before, I will look into it.
>
> If anyone has experienced a problem with chirp on a K3, let me know (it is
> a K3 not a K3S).
>
>   Dana
>
>
>
> In reply to this post
> <http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-past-chirp-report-tp7625892p7625898.html>
> by Doug Smith [W7KF]
> Under normal circumstances, it is impossible for a K3 or K3S for exhibit
> "chirp." The synthesizer settles well before the rig switches from TX to RX
> or vice-versa.
>
> The KSYN3A (newer synth, used in the K3S) settles in well under 1 ms
> thanks to its entirely digital architecture (UHF DSPLL, divided down).
>
> The KSYN3 (older synth, used on the K3) uses a more traditional PLL with
> its VCO running at the target output frequency. It normally settles in
> under 5 ms. It can take a bit longer depending on the actual PLL voltage
> and VCO frequency. This is accounted for in firmware.
>
> If your KSYN3 were not properly calibrated, you might see a longer
> settling time on one or two bands, most likely 6 meters. If you suspect
> this, refer to the CONFIG:VCO MD menu entry. The K3 includes an automatic
> VCO calibration routine that requires no test equipment and takes only a
> couple of minutes to run.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
> On Jan 19, 2017, at 12:57 PM, "Ron D'Eau Claire" <[hidden email]
> <http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7625904&i=0>>
> wrote:
>
> > In a synthesized VFO rig like the K3S, any tendency to "chirp" is almost
> always related to the synthesizer momentarily losing frequency (or phase)
> lock.
> >
> > While that could conceivably be linked to change in the power bus
> voltage, it's highly unlikely since the bus is isolated from the actual
> synthesizer by voltage regulators and filters.
> >
> > OTOH, the OO's report was strictly advisory. I have experienced spurious
> OO reports over my >50 years of pounding brass, and one that turned out to
> be accurate when I blew the filter caps in the transmitter and did not
> notice, nor did the stations I was working report the hum on my signal.
> When I got a "chirp" report one time (on a homebrew rig) and was unable to
> hear it myself, I sent a friendly letter to the OO. He replied that he was
> "almost sure" he could detect a "slight chirp" so he sent the card.
> >
> > So my advice is that if you can't repeat what the OO observed, don't
> worry about it.
> >
> > 73, Ron AC7AC
>

From sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 30 16:28:16 2021
From: sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com (stephen shearer)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 16:28:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 + Winlink
Message-ID: <9884a411-1f9a-4f22-16ad-f8bfb17f8dae@gmail.com>

Is This A K4 Problem??

THIS was on the FSARC email server today...

"From Steve Waterman, the WL2K guru, that fully software-defined radios,
like Flex, have had handshaking timing issues with VARA, and with SCS 
Pactor modems.

Flex and SCS have firmware upgrades to improve handshaking speed when 
using Pactor.
Improvements to the VARA software are imminent, if not already released. "

73, steve Wb3LGC

I don't have problems with my KX3 (zero delay), why would the K4, just 
asking...


From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Fri Apr 30 16:38:15 2021
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (ke9uw)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 13:38:15 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy Load with integral digital wattmeter
Message-ID: <1619815095659-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

I have recently built a GRPoMeter which has a 16 Watt dummy load with a
digital SWR/Wattmeter in it. It?s great...but only reads up to about 14
Watts.
I would like a similar dummy load meter with a digital meter that reads say
0-10, 0-100, and 0-1000 watts full scale. I like and use the Elecraft 500
watt amp and tuner, so 1000 watts full scale would be perfect..
Too much to ask for. 0-2000 would be acceptable if it had the 3 ranges.
Definitely not  single range analog meters like MFJ and Palstar have
Anyone know of a product like this?

Chuck KE9UW



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From jackbrindle at me.com  Fri Apr 30 16:50:50 2021
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 13:50:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy Load with integral digital wattmeter
In-Reply-To: <1619815095659-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1619815095659-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <F2DE5B53-4135-491B-942E-772A6341C57D@me.com>

Have you looked at the Elecraft W2?

https://elecraft.com/products/w2 <https://elecraft.com/products/w2>

73!
Jack, W6FB


> On Apr 30, 2021, at 1:38 PM, ke9uw <c-hawley at illinois.edu> wrote:
> 
> I have recently built a GRPoMeter which has a 16 Watt dummy load with a
> digital SWR/Wattmeter in it. It?s great...but only reads up to about 14
> Watts.
> I would like a similar dummy load meter with a digital meter that reads say
> 0-10, 0-100, and 0-1000 watts full scale. I like and use the Elecraft 500
> watt amp and tuner, so 1000 watts full scale would be perfect..
> Too much to ask for. 0-2000 would be acceptable if it had the 3 ranges.
> Definitely not  single range analog meters like MFJ and Palstar have
> Anyone know of a product like this?
> 
> Chuck KE9UW
> 
> 
> 
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From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Fri Apr 30 17:12:42 2021
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 21:12:42 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy Load with integral digital wattmeter
In-Reply-To: <F2DE5B53-4135-491B-942E-772A6341C57D@me.com>
References: <1619815095659-0.post@n2.nabble.com>,
	<F2DE5B53-4135-491B-942E-772A6341C57D@me.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR11MB44764CBE9C1F294736B7100EFB5E9@DM6PR11MB4476.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

I have one. I like it, but I was thinking more of a test unit.
Dummy load with integral digital meter (digits preferred instead of LEDs)..
To make one out of a W2 would require a W2, that after market KV5J digital readout or a computer, and the directional coupler. Lots of stuff and wires.
But maybe if I found a stand alone digital wattmeter I could fasten it to a dummy load...that's a thought.

Chuck Hawley
 c-hawley at illinois.edu

 Amateur Radio, KE9UW
 aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles

________________________________
From: Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 3:50 PM
To: hawley, charles j jr <c-hawley at illinois.edu>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dummy Load with integral digital wattmeter

Have you looked at the Elecraft W2?

https://elecraft.com/products/w2<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://elecraft.com/products/w2__;!!DZ3fjg!qXURJbbL1PqkaGaQGRUvMoMfFuds4479KRvkzFwZGcm4UK5lJ0eexSbFJ813fvOTsn32$>

73!
Jack, W6FB


On Apr 30, 2021, at 1:38 PM, ke9uw <c-hawley at illinois.edu<mailto:c-hawley at illinois.edu>> wrote:

I have recently built a GRPoMeter which has a 16 Watt dummy load with a
digital SWR/Wattmeter in it. It?s great...but only reads up to about 14
Watts.
I would like a similar dummy load meter with a digital meter that reads say
0-10, 0-100, and 0-1000 watts full scale. I like and use the Elecraft 500
watt amp and tuner, so 1000 watts full scale would be perfect..
Too much to ask for. 0-2000 would be acceptable if it had the 3 ranges.
Definitely not  single range analog meters like MFJ and Palstar have
Anyone know of a product like this?

Chuck KE9UW



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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Fri Apr 30 18:32:44 2021
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 15:32:44 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] RTTY Questions
In-Reply-To: <673dd418-a15c-25fd-6ae3-e78746bb3294@gmail.com>
References: <673dd418-a15c-25fd-6ae3-e78746bb3294@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <61b0fe52-fa05-3f2a-b621-b05cc60f1def@triconet.org>

Are you using an external RTTY program, e.g. MMTTY?? If not and you're using the 
internal CW to RTTY feature, I can't help you.? Otherwise I'm assuming audio 
input via Line In.? Baud rate is set in the program.

Make sure the audio drive, set by 1) soundcard level and 2) "Mic" gain, drive 
the ALC indicator to four bars.? Less and the power control loop will try to 
adjust, but it does this slowly. Otherwise it could be a blown final, in either 
of the PAs (regrettably too common) or a mistuned BPF.? I don't know how common 
this is but it happened to mine.

Wes? N7WS

On 4/29/2021 8:18 PM, John Reilly wrote:
> I have two K3 questions:
> ? ?1. In Data MD, AFSk A, you can set the baud rate to either 45 or 75. Is the 
> baud rate just for the RTTY reader? Does it affect anything else?
> ? ?2. With my K3s power set to 100w, RTTY starts at a little below 50w and and 
> then fairly slowly builds to 100w (measured on an external wattmeter). I've 
> done a TX calibration -- no change. What is going on?
>
> Thanks,
> ? - 73, John, N0TA
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From g4gnx at g4gnx.com  Fri Apr 30 18:50:02 2021
From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (Alan - G4GNX)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 22:50:02 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 interface to KPA-1500
In-Reply-To: <CAOmNKGJ-ss+Z5sedvS3iKmXFqxLHwgcaxmCa0vesQO74ASDZOQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001001d73d77$83441a40$89cc4ec0$.ref@yahoo.com>
	<001001d73d77$83441a40$89cc4ec0$@yahoo.com>
	<CAOmNKGJ-ss+Z5sedvS3iKmXFqxLHwgcaxmCa0vesQO74ASDZOQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ema0ff020b-2ff2-4aa7-a51e-758294846d85@g4gnx>

Is there an update to the KPA500 firmware that reflects the K4?

73,

Alan. G4GNX


------ Original Message ------
From: "Bob Wilson, N6TV" <n6tv at arrl.net>
To: "James F. Boehner, MD" <jboehner01 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: 30/04/2021 05:38:24
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 interface to KPA-1500

>Also be sure to set RADIO TYPE to K4 in the KPA1500 menu. If you don't see
>it listed, upgrade the KPA1500 firmware.
>
>73,
>Bob, N6TV
>


From richgilley123 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 30 19:21:05 2021
From: richgilley123 at gmail.com (richard gilley)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 19:21:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Locked on Ant 1
In-Reply-To: <ACA49961-3644-40D3-8DD7-6643A4D33189@gmail.com>
References: <ACA49961-3644-40D3-8DD7-6643A4D33189@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E44F0AC0-B5A8-4BAC-AC60-33DBDDBA3BD7@gmail.com>

Hi,
	Thank you Dick K6KR, and  Skip NC90 for your help.  I ended up doing a factory default, enabled the ant per band and all is well.  
One question:  After setting the configuration, saving, shutting down, and powering up I found in checking "edit  configuration" ant 1 and 3 were no longer enabled.  However, all worked as expected. Should the latest configuration show the antennas enabled?  Perhaps not?

Thank you again, saving me a ship to CA.

Very Best regards
Dick AD1G

> On Apr 29, 2021, at 20:23, richard gilley <richgilley123 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Looking for thoughts on my KAT500 that remains locked on Ant 1, cannot change to ant 2, manually or via the Elecraft utility regardless of the mode setting,   Set configuration to a later set up still no joy.  And of course does not tune, no relay actions, no caps set or inductors shown in utility. 
> I am not aware of any electrical storms in the area.
> 
> Appreciate hearing from anyone who has an idea.
> 
> Thank you all.
> AD1G


From a.durbin at msn.com  Fri Apr 30 21:02:44 2021
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2021 01:02:44 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Locked on Ant 1
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB29686C14F9E1B4051C840CB38C5D9@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

It may not be related to your problem but there is a documented issue with enabled antennas not being selectable in BPY mode.   Elecraft is aware of this issue.  Because of this problem I never use BYP mode.  I use BYP state in MAN mode which is electrically equivalent.

Andy, k3wyc

From john at kk9a.com  Fri Apr 30 21:07:37 2021
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 21:07:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy Load with integral digital wattmeter
Message-ID: <009c01d73e26$6076d980$21648c80$@com>

I use a Telepost LP100A with the sensor connected to a Bird dummy load.

John KK9A

hawley, charles j jr wrote:

I have one. I like it, but I was thinking more of a test unit.
Dummy load with integral digital meter (digits preferred instead of LEDs)..
To make one out of a W2 would require a W2, that after market KV5J digital
readout or a computer, and the directional coupler. Lots of stuff and wires.
But maybe if I found a stand alone digital wattmeter I could fasten it to a
dummy load...that's a thought.

Chuck Hawley

 Amateur Radio, KE9UW
 aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles


From n6tv at arrl.net  Fri Apr 30 21:47:19 2021
From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 18:47:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 interface to KPA-1500
In-Reply-To: <ema0ff020b-2ff2-4aa7-a51e-758294846d85@g4gnx>
References: <001001d73d77$83441a40$89cc4ec0$.ref@yahoo.com>
	<001001d73d77$83441a40$89cc4ec0$@yahoo.com>
	<CAOmNKGJ-ss+Z5sedvS3iKmXFqxLHwgcaxmCa0vesQO74ASDZOQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<ema0ff020b-2ff2-4aa7-a51e-758294846d85@g4gnx>
Message-ID: <CAOmNKGL+jHOb54O7EUAF-W89bNj4Z0AVSpc0xau2YH=CPbocrA@mail.gmail.com>

With a KPA500, just set RADIO to K3, and this works fine with the K4.  No
KPA500 firmware update is needed.

The K4 recognizes the difference between the KPA1500 and KPA500 by the
AUXBUS messages it receives, so it changes popup messages such as "KPA500
Status:  operate" and "KPA500 Status:  standby" to "KPA1500 Status: ..."
automatically.

73,
Bob, N6TV

On Fri, Apr 30, 2021, 3:50 PM Alan - G4GNX <g4gnx at g4gnx.com> wrote:

> Is there an update to the KPA500 firmware that reflects the K4?
>
> 73,
>
> Alan. G4GNX
>
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Bob Wilson, N6TV" <n6tv at arrl.net>
> To: "James F. Boehner, MD" <jboehner01 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: 30/04/2021 05:38:24
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 interface to KPA-1500
>
> >Also be sure to set RADIO TYPE to K4 in the KPA1500 menu. If you don't see
> >it listed, upgrade the KPA1500 firmware.
> >
> >73,
> >Bob, N6TV
> >
>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Apr 30 22:46:17 2021
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 19:46:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy Load with integral digital wattmeter
In-Reply-To: <009c01d73e26$6076d980$21648c80$@com>
References: <009c01d73e26$6076d980$21648c80$@com>
Message-ID: <3811c792-6808-7500-9c6e-53d85e822b75@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 4/30/2021 6:07 PM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
> I use a Telepost LP100A with the sensor connected to a Bird dummy load.

I have a dual-probe LP100A inline with the power amp outs in my SO2R 
station. It auto-switches to the active TX. I have a kW dummy load 
sitting under the operating desk, but it's not part of antenna 
switching, and I haven't used it in years.

73, Jim K9YC