[Elecraft] Windows Needed

Fri May 1 19:45:11 EDT 2020

Ray, I'm sure you know this, but you are simply running each OS as a
virtual machine using the Intel VT technology (not an Apple or Microsoft
thing at all).  The reason you can't run the Mac OS on standard Intel PC
hard ware is due to Apple's super irritating proprietary ROM etc...
hardware signatures... trickery.  Apple goes to extreme lengths to ensure
that their OS only will run on their hardware to lock you into buying their
hardware to use their OS. Folks will hack and get older versions of the Mac
OS working over time on non Apple PC hardware, but then a new Mac OS update
comes out and it then breaks running their OS on non Mac / Apple hardware
(constant cat and mouse game).  I'm not saying they should or shouldn't do
that, but that's just what they do.  So yeah, you can run a Windows OS on
your Mac hardware because #1, it's Intel based hardware and Apple finally
adopted a standard intel based platform etc...years ago when they finally
dumped the IBM Power PC cpu's and their terrible/horrible preemptive OS at
the time (amen! it saved Apple!).  Jobs brought them back to the modern OS
era by going down the Free BSD OS path, virtually saving them from
bankruptcy. (not to mention Microsoft investing 100+ million in Apple back
then to keep them alive)

So yeah, on your Mac / Apple PC hardware, if you can't live without the Mac
OS and you are willing to pony up for the price of their hardware, you can
still run the later versions of the Mac OS and also run virtual versions of
Windows and or boot directly into Windows on your Mac hardware, because
Microsoft doesn't lock their OS down to a specific manufactures Intel based
PC hardware.  So don't thank Apple for running Windows on your Mac / Apple
hardware, thank Microsoft for keeping their OS pretty much hardware
independent and not forcing you to run their OS on one company's hardware!

Those of us that use Windows as their primary OS, do the same thing as
you... you can virtualize and run multiple copies of Windows and other
operating systems at the same time like Linux etc... we have been doing
that for years of course and yes, we can run hacked versions of the Mac OS
too if we want to continually fight Apple in their efforts to lock their
Free BSD based OS release after release after release (serious irony that
they used Free BSD in the beginning and still lock it to their hardware).

At the end of the day, it's nice to have options and for there to be
multiple competitors to provide us as consumers with better options and
lower prices due to that competition.  Let's all be glad that there are
multiple consumer OS's out there so the companies compete against each
other, not to mention the free versions of Linux too.  Options are good!
It drives competition, innovation and competitive pricing for the masses.

Max NG7M

On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 5:11 PM Raymond <anyone1545 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have been running Windows on my Mac since Parallels was introduced with
> only one problem, ICOMS firmware update utility. Windows on a Mac is not an
> emulator
> So, can you run two different versions of Windows and Mac OS on your PC
> and switch between them with a click of a mouse? I had to do that when ULS
> required an earlier version of Windows. I use to chuckle at my colleagues
> who needed separate computers and to deal with updates drivers viruses etc.
> I only need one Mac in my ham station. I guess I could give up my Mac and
> buy several PCs
> Ray
> W8LYJ
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 1, 2020, at 13:35, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > With refurbished desktop computers available in the $200 to $300 price
> range, many loaded with Windows 10 Pro, it is not a big deal to have a
> dedicated Windows PC as the shack computer.  Oh yes, you need a monitor
> too, but those also are not expensive.
> >
> > That allows you to run a Mac or Linux machine for your other computing
> tasks.
> >
> > 73,
> > Don W3FPR
> >
> >
> >> On 5/1/2020 3:16 PM, Barry wrote:
> >> Tommy,
> >>     You question seems straight forward, but it is a little
> complicated. If all you need is just a logging program, almost anything
> will do. However, if you want to go beyond that, the majority of good
> software is Windows based, like CW Skimmer. Windows emulations today are
> pretty good, but occasionally do cause problems. I guess I would stay with
> a PC for overall simplicity.
> >>     I have a KX3 which I operate with Win4K3, CW Skimmer, HRD, FLDIGI,
> N1MM+, and a few other packages. At some point you may decide to try out
> some some other modes or configurations. Therefore, another reason to go
> PC..
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