[Elecraft] The Big Three...

donovanf at starpower.net donovanf at starpower.net
Mon Mar 30 01:41:17 EDT 2020 

Clay, 


If you're not a serious SSB contest competitor this thread has no 
relevance to your experience or needs. Try SSB contesting at the 
highest levels of competitiveness and you'll soon become aware of 
the important performance differences among modern transceivers. 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 


----- Original Message -----

From: "Clay Autery" <KY5G at montac.com> 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 5:21:54 AM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The Big Three... 

Again, out of curiosity. How do you define "better"? 

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On 03/29/20 11:56, donovanf at starpower.net wrote: 
> Hi Tony 
> 
> 
> Any of the top-of-the-line radios from Flex, Icom, Yaesu and Kenwood 
> have significantly better SSB performance than the K3. 
> 
> 
> Each of my six stations has two radios, usually a K3 and a "not K3," 
> usually a Yaesu FTdx5000. During CW contests our "run" operators 
> usually favor the K3, during SSB contests our "run" operators NEVER 
> favor the K3. 
> 
> 
> 73 
> Frank 
> W3LPL 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: tony.kaz at verizon.net <tony.kaz at verizon.net> 
> Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:40 PM 
> To: 'donovanf at starpower.net' <donovanf at starpower.net>; 'Elecraft at mailman.qth.net' <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] The Big Three... 
> 
> Hi Frank, 
> I agree with what you said about CW rigs and lightweight rigs for traveling. The K3 on SSB sure has its faults. What say you on the top SSB rigs? 
> 
> Also, since no Dayton and the idea of a contest that weekend is a good idea. But maybe we should consider some kind of virtual hospitality suite so we can have a beer or two plus chat. 
> N2TK, Tony 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of donovanf at starpower.net 
> Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:33 PM 
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The Big Three... 
> 
> This is by far not an unbiased survey. Teams that travel on airplanes to get to WRTC will be strongly biased toward light weight radios such as the K3. Operators who do not travel by a irplane will be biased towards radios with much better SSB performance. 
> 
> 
> 73 
> Frank 
> W3LPL 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
> From: "K9FD" <merv.k9fd at gmail.com> 
> To: "Paul Gacek" <w6png at yahoo.com> 
> Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
> Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 4:26:55 PM 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The Big Three... 
> 
> I agree Paul, and my comment was to play the stats in jest. 
> 
> when the glass is half full you can see it from both sides, 
> 
> I did that to stir the Elecraft kool aide crew. 
> 
> Having contested many many years in my past life, I dont own 
> 3 - K3 radios because they are losers, and nope I am not in the class of any one who qualifies for WRTC. not even close, and at 75 I am not progressing any longer, I am on the slipping side of downhill. 
> 
> 73 Merv K9FD 
>> Merv 
>> 
>> Now we entering the arena of stats can tell you whatever you want them to tell you! 
>> 
>> In fairness only one of the top teams was a US team (I think) and 3 of the top 15 were US. Maybe radio choice for the Europeans is more to do with ICOM et al possibly having a more direct sales and support presence in EU versus Elecraft which is via local distributors and possibly requiring the gear to return to Cal for repair. Just a guess .... 
>> 
>> I think the WRTC leader role for the Boston/NE one had more US teams placing. I’m sure a story exists around home team advantage. 
>> 
>> I can only reiterate that anyone who participates in WRTC has to be pretty awesome and I wish I had 1% of their skills!! 
>> 
>> Stats are fun. 
>> 
>> Paul Gacek 
>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2020, at 8:50 AM, K9FD <merv.k9fd at gmail.com> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> SO lets see, we are saying that 50 percent used Elecraft, and out of 
>>> the top 3 no one did, and most who used Elecraft were in the bottom. 
>>> So was it the radio or the operator? 
>>> If you look at it from one point of view, loosers used Elecraft.. 
>>> 
>>> Merv K9FD, and I own 3 - k3 radios so not biased. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Wasn't my subject line. But I'll see your four and raise it to five: Elecraft, Flex, Icom, Kenwood and Yaesu. 
>>>> 
>>>> Wes N7WS 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/29/2020 6:55 AM, Michael Walker wrote: 
>>>>> I find you mention the big 3, but it is really the big 4. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike va3mw 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 9:28 AM Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org <mailto:wes_n7ws at triconet.org>> wrote: 
>>>>> FWIW. I took a cursory look at the top 10 to see what they were using. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> You have to get to 5th place to find a pair of K3s. Sixth and 7th 
>>>>> places use one K3 and something else for the second radio. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> So four out of 20 radios were K3s. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also of interest 6 out of 10 used WinTest with 4 using N1MM+. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wes N7WS 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 3/29/2020 2:50 AM, Paul Gacek via Elecraft wrote: 
>>>>>> If you follow the link you can see what radios the 50+ WRTC 2018 
>>>>> participant teams used. 
>>>>>> Lots of K3. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://wrtc2018.de/competition/finalscores.php 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Paul 
>>>>>> W6PNG/M0SNA 
>>>>>> www.nomadic.blog 
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