[Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"

[David Gilbert]

First of all, there is no comparison between the cost of what you just 
described and the cost of the software required to provide what I 
hypothesized.  Secondly, what I hypothesized would stack on top of what 
you described without conflict.

So I'm afraid I really don't understand the point of your post.

73,
Dave   AB7E



On 7/12/2020 8:47 PM, WILLIE BABER wrote:
> There is a way to improve the signal to noise of the CW signal.  It is 
> called the yagi or beam antenna.
>
> The tower, guy system, beam, feedline, connectors, and switching, all 
> have considerable appeal for some of us, the same as a good paddle, or 
> a K3 radio.
>
> My four towers and yagis were built by me--solo on the tower--and I do 
> relate to my antenna system in the same way I do to my German-crafted 
> cw paddle (even though I did not build it).
>
> The details about how to do anything is subject to standards about 
> how, exactly, to do it (and without harming yourself or others).
>
> Of course you could decide that an egg is an egg no matter what you do 
> to it (I have seen some tower systems that I would not climb).
>
> I had several tower Elmers starting with Dave Bunte, k9fn, who put up 
> my first tower, a BX tower, at the tall height of 32 feet.
> I was fearful of that 32 foot tower.  Now I routinely go above 100 
> feet with two towers at 130 feet.  I turn 70 years old in September.
>
> If I had more than 4 acres I would have gone to 160 feet, for the sake 
> of 80 meters.
>
> We all have our limitations (4 acres in my case but a ponderosa 
> compared to many others) as well as our different ways of making art 
> but, like a good omelet, the love of art is what makes life so 
> pleasant, and far less dangerous.
>
> 73, Will, wj9b
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> On Sunday, July 12, 2020, 7:07:32 PM PDT, Wayne Burdick 
> <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
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>
> > On Jul 12, 2020, at 6:57 PM, David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com 
> <mailto:ab7echo at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Think of it this way ... CW works fine as both a contest mode, DXing 
> mode, and conversational mode. Underlaying CW with a well configured 
> digital signal processing scheme like that which is under FT8, except 
> with a different user interface than either WSJT-X or JS8,  could be 
> equally versatile but with maybe 6-8 db better S/N ... possibly by an 
> even greater margin if the decoding allowed errors instead of being 
> all or nothing.
>
>
> Except that (a) you don't have to know CW, and (b) you don't need a 
> key. There goes 73% of its charm :)
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
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