From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Jul  1 01:12:10 2020
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 22:12:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s noise figure spec
In-Reply-To: <CAKynJKn=JiMQVDp7WzDrQL70-M3TT=bDDxahkJE6nyvouDTR+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKynJKn=JiMQVDp7WzDrQL70-M3TT=bDDxahkJE6nyvouDTR+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d518461a-3fe9-9d2d-3996-7d800f2c9e42@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 6/30/2020 4:31 PM, Dave Sublette wrote:
> Does anybody KNOW what the noise figure is for the 50MHz preamp on the
> K3s?  It isn't listed in the specifications.

I don't know, but I'm using an ARR GasFET preamp at the RXIN/OUT patch 
point, and the ARR 0.5 NF seems to be slightly better than the 
K3S-series Transverter Interface. Although I own an ARR mast-mount 
version, I'm afraid to put it at the tower because the 6M antenna is 
only about 10 ft below the SteppIR that I drive legal limit. :)  The 
loss in my 325 ft of 7/8-in hard line plus coax for rotator loop and 
jumper at the shack is is a bit less than 1 dB on 6M.

73, Jim K9YC


From w1sfr.qrp at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 07:34:15 2020
From: w1sfr.qrp at gmail.com (Stephen Roberts)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 07:34:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Weird sounds coming from my K1...need a qualified
	exorcist
Message-ID: <B4F7D53F-7839-4A36-B9B2-4176EDBD1AEA@gmail.com>

Sorry. I had the page on my site set to private. The link should work now.

http://w1sfr.com/weird-k1-audio/ <http://w1sfr.com/weird-k1-audio/>


Here's what happened:

I turned on the radio to get on the air tonight.
It made this sound when I turned it on and after it booted up the sound went away.
I plugged in the cable to my paddle and it made the sound.
It makes the sound when I key the radio.
It makes the sound if I activate "tune" on the radio.

Steve
W1SFR



From mikekopacki at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 07:38:27 2020
From: mikekopacki at gmail.com (Mike Kopacki)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 07:38:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 K2/100 post FD review
In-Reply-To: <2714B375-96D3-4F2C-983F-EF2558A164F2@widomaker.com>
References: <2714B375-96D3-4F2C-983F-EF2558A164F2@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <91822F59-0B61-4D1F-A1A7-2653C25C9FCC@gmail.com>

Yep I?m familiar with that formula. 

One of the tests in the assembly instructions was to test the current draw at 100w. It was 13A. The acceptable range was 13-18A so I thought that was a good result. 

Thanks,
Mike NJ2OM 

> On Jun 30, 2020, at 11:20 PM, Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Watts is Volts X Amps. 
> Fewer Volts means more Amps. More Amps means more work for power supply, leading to fewer Volts.  Fewer Volts means ...( you get the picture). 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 8:37 PM, Mike Kopacki <mikekopacki at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I didn?t have ring connectors big enough but I did have spade connectors. I crimped and soldered them but there was no change in the voltage readings during receive and transmit. 
>> 
>> Is it possible that the power supply is failing?
>> 
>> Why, if the voltage drops during transmit to 11.6V, does the radio still put out 100W on 30, 40 and 80 meters?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Mike NJ2OM 
>> 
>>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 6:55 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Mike,
>>> 
>>> The red and black assembly is an Anderson Power Pole connector - commonly called APP.
>>> 
>>> For the small receive current drawn, the voltage drop in the wire and connectors should be close to zero, so the 0.2 volts is significant for #12 wire unless there is something not properly tightened on the connectors.  The drop will be more substantial with the increased current during transmit at 100 watts.
>>> 
>>> Banana plugs and jacks can be used to carry a heavy current, but some of the ones I have seen have a poor contact method of fastening the wire to the banana plugs - properly installed wires on banana plugs are good for up to 30 to 50 amps.  Is there any way you can connect ring terminals onto those power supply terminals?  Like removing the outer nuts from the terminals - if so then switch to the ring terminals.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>> 
>>>>> On 6/30/2020 6:21 PM, Mike Kopacki wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Don, don?t know what you mean by the APP assembly.
>>>> 
>>>> I can only see one metal part on the inside of the red and black connectors that plug into the K2.  I assume that is the ?contact blade??  I see nothing else on the inside.
>>>> 
>>>> But here is a possible problem, that I will throw out, knowing full well that some will think I am not very smart?..I had to buy banana plugs to make the power cable, which is part of the KPA-100 assembly instructions. When I received them from MFJ, model MFJ-7713, it was a solderless type that I had never seen before.  I talked to three people at MFJ, none could explain how the wire attached to the plug.  The third guy hung up on me.
>>>> 
>>>> So I connected the wire to the plug the only way I could see, but the configuration of the plug still eludes me.
>>>> 
>>>> The P/S output is 13.6V.  I?m seeing 13.1V at the K2.  If the normal drop is .3V, it should read 13.3V at t

From mikekopacki at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 08:34:51 2020
From: mikekopacki at gmail.com (Mike Kopacki)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 08:34:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 K2/100 post FD review
In-Reply-To: <2714B375-96D3-4F2C-983F-EF2558A164F2@widomaker.com>
References: <2714B375-96D3-4F2C-983F-EF2558A164F2@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <988B81FB-0ED9-4829-BE6A-1FD78B674A8E@gmail.com>

Don, this is what you sent earlier:

?If the power supply voltage is not the problem, then remove the KPA100 from the base K2 and realign the bandpass filters.  Connect a dummy load to the base K2 BNC ANT jack.  After that, check the maximum power from the base K2 - you should have at least 10 watts on each band.  Record the power for each band.?

To be clear, are you saying to disconnect all 3 connections between the K2 and the KPA-100?  If there is 10+ watts out on each band, do I need to realign the band pass filters?  And I assume those would be on the K2-RF board, right?

Thanks,
Mike NJ2OM 

> On Jun 30, 2020, at 11:20 PM, Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Watts is Volts X Amps. 
> Fewer Volts means more Amps. More Amps means more work for power supply, leading to fewer Volts.  Fewer Volts means ...( you get the picture). 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 8:37 PM, Mike Kopacki <mikekopacki at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I didn?t have ring connectors big enough but I did have spade connectors. I crimped and soldered them but there was no change in the voltage readings during receive and transmit. 
>> 
>> Is it possible that the power supply is failing?
>> 
>> Why, if the voltage drops during transmit to 11.6V, does the radio still put out 100W on 30, 40 and 80 meters?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Mike NJ2OM 
>> 
>>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 6:55 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Mike,
>>> 
>>> The red and black assembly is an Anderson Power Pole connector - commonly called APP.
>>> 
>>> For the small receive current drawn, the voltage drop in the wire and connectors should be close to zero, so the 0.2 volts is significant for #12 wire unless there is something not properly tightened on the connectors.  The drop will be more substantial with the increased current during transmit at 100 watts.
>>> 
>>> Banana plugs and jacks can be used to carry a heavy current, but some of the ones I have seen have a poor contact method of fastening the wire to the banana plugs - properly installed wires on banana plugs are good for up to 30 to 50 amps.  Is there any way you can connect ring terminals onto those power supply terminals?  Like removing the outer nuts from the terminals - if so then switch to the ring terminals.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>> 
>>>>> On 6/30/2020 6:21 PM, Mike Kopacki wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Don, don?t know what you mean by the APP assembly.
>>>> 
>>>> I can only see one metal part on the inside of the red and black connectors that plug into the K2.  I assume that is the ?contact blade??  I see nothing else on the inside.
>>>> 
>>>> But here is a possible problem, that I will throw out, knowing full well that some will think I am not very smart?..I had to buy banana plugs to make the power cable, which is part of the KPA-100 assembly instructions. When I received them from MFJ, model MFJ-7713, it was a solderless type that I had never seen before.  I talked to three people at MFJ, none could explain how the wire attached to the plug.  The third guy hung up on me.
>>>> 
>>>> So I connected the wire to the plug the only way I could see, but the configuration of the plug still eludes me.
>>>> 
>>>> The P/S output is 13.6V.  I?m seeing 13.1V at the K2.  If the normal drop is .3V, it should read 13.3V at t

From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk  Wed Jul  1 08:47:31 2020
From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 09:47:31 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 K2/100 post FD review
In-Reply-To: <37414E33-A0DA-420A-B304-8C3070735BEF@gmail.com>
References: <424e929c-1ce5-328d-c973-991939113367@embarqmail.com>
	<37414E33-A0DA-420A-B304-8C3070735BEF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a556bf71-3d7f-44e0-4929-685000bd633b@horizon.co.fk>

Mike,

You are the only one who can determine this. Everyone else is reduced to 
guessing because they don't have access to your PSU/K2/power lead.

Simple:

Measure the PSU voltage on RX at the PUS terminals.
Measure the PSU voltage on TX set to 100W at the PSU terminals.

Compare both of these with the internal K2 voltage display.

Report the findings.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO



On 30/06/2020 21:34, Mike Kopacki wrote:
> I didn?t have ring connectors big enough but I did have spade connectors. I crimped and soldered them but there was no change in the voltage readings during receive and transmit.
> 
> Is it possible that the power supply is failing?
> 
> Why, if the voltage drops during transmit to 11.6V, does the radio still put out 100W on 30, 40 and 80 meters?
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike NJ2OM

From jim at jtmiller.com  Wed Jul  1 09:39:22 2020
From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 09:39:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s noise figure spec
In-Reply-To: <CAKynJKn=JiMQVDp7WzDrQL70-M3TT=bDDxahkJE6nyvouDTR+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKynJKn=JiMQVDp7WzDrQL70-M3TT=bDDxahkJE6nyvouDTR+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACYeN9zxrsy1W4TGXyab++jz-OPgB7VhfTk1cMZ8sGc+Bo0RVg@mail.gmail.com>

The PR6-10 was the latest released preamp as an accessory for the K3 prior
to the K3s with its built in preamp. They are likely very similar.

Here's the manual for the preamp:

https://ftp.elecraft.com/PR/Manuals%20Downloads/PR6-10%20Owners%20Manual%20Rev%20A.pdf


NF is claimed to be 0.7db typical.

73 and stay safe

jim ab3cv

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:34 PM Dave Sublette <k4to.dave at gmail.com> wrote:

> Does anybody KNOW what the noise figure is for the 50MHz preamp on the
> K3s?  It isn't listed in the specifications.
>
> I need to know in order to make system noise figure calculations.  My
> feedline is going to be long (low loss, but long) and I'm trying to
> determine if I will need a preamp mounted at the antenna.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave, K4TO
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From Gary at ka1j.com  Wed Jul  1 10:39:23 2020
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2020 10:39:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Books
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6870FF200D3F1CA941343DE09C6F0@CH2PR02MB6870.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <99405b79-acb5-8d34-cc3a-1ffee76284a4@gmail.com>,
	<f29255dc-8b75-e921-168a-6d5a2a0f0403@embarqmail.com>,
	<CH2PR02MB6870FF200D3F1CA941343DE09C6F0@CH2PR02MB6870.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <5EFCA01B.20845.D58C963@Gary.ka1j.com>

I second the use of PDF for finding 
answers. It really helps these old eyes to 
be able to expand the print quickly after 
using the search feature to find the word 
I'm searching for. A searchable PDF does 
this wonderfully.

Another thing that helps me greatly is a 
video say on youtube that has an outline 
and an instructor doing certain things 
with a clear camera view so it's like 
having an instructor right in front of you 
& the equipment so you can mirror image 
what they are doing exactly, to 
understand.

Being able to look on an outline and see 
for example "Adjusting the noise blanker": 
14.45 Meaning at 14 min, 45 seconds, that 
presentation is found on the video.

73, stay well,

Gary
KA1J


> I solved my issues with understanding Elecraft radios, I prefer all
> thee methods of learning to fully know the ins and outs.  What assists
> me most after reading all pertinent parts to my use, is to search a
> downloaded PDF manual to find what I have forgotten and need to
> refresh my memory.   To me I don't  find more books helpful, just the
> manual and use and quick searches.  Oh, and I save the current
> settings frequently in case I really screw up.  Before I restore, I
> use the issue as a learning tool.
> 
> 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent:
> Monday, June 29, 2020 9:10 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject:
> Re: [Elecraft] K4 Books
> 
> Skip,
> 
> Fred addressed 3 different learning methods in his books.  First was
> those who learn by reading (I am one of those), 2nd is those who learn
> from examples (expanded reading) and thirdly those who learn from
> hands-on exercises.  Fred addressed all 3 in his books. He did comment
> that there was nothing in his books that was not in the Elecraft
> manual, but his approach to presenting the material was different. 
> That is why his books exceed 200 pages while the Elecraft manuals are
> usually in the vicinity of 100 pages.
> 
> On 6/29/2020 7:37 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> > I found that the value in Fred's book was due to approach.? The K3
> > manual is good ... very good ... and like most all user manuals,
> > takes a "control approach" -- "The SHIFT and WIDTH controls adjust
> > the center frequency and the width of the DSP filtering."? Fred's
> > book explains what the DSP filtering is, the effects the controls
> > have on it, and how it affects operation of the radio.
> > 
> > I'm not suggesting the "control approach" is wrong or bad, user
> > manuals need to explain what each control does.? It's just a
> > different approach to the subject.? I find both very useful.
> > 
> >  From what little I know about the K4, I can't imagine that either a
> >  
> > K3 manual or Fred's K3 book would be of much value for a new K4
> > owner.
> > 
> > 73,
> > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> > Sparks NV DM09dn
> > Washoe County
> > 
> > On 6/29/2020 4:20 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> >> Tongue planted firmly in cheek --
> >> What? Study the manual?? We are hams and can just push buttons and
> >> turn knobs and see what happens!
> >>
> >> Seriously, I think some hams really do it that way.
> >>
> >> How much more pleasure would they get out of their gear if they
> >> took the time to study the manual.? That is NOT a casual perusal
> >> paging through the manual. That is sitting down in front of the
> >> radio with the manual open and identifying things as well as trying
> >> things out with a dummy load when it involves transmitting.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Don W3FPR
> >>
> >> On 6/29/2020 7:06 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Maybe study the manual? Worked fine for me with most ham gear I've
> >>> owned, including the K3 and companion products.
> >>>
> 
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From pincon at erols.com  Wed Jul  1 11:26:48 2020
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 11:26:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s noise figure spec
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9zxrsy1W4TGXyab++jz-OPgB7VhfTk1cMZ8sGc+Bo0RVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKynJKn=JiMQVDp7WzDrQL70-M3TT=bDDxahkJE6nyvouDTR+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACYeN9zxrsy1W4TGXyab++jz-OPgB7VhfTk1cMZ8sGc+Bo0RVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003e01d64fbc$0d4c2bb0$27e48310$@erols.com>

I can't speak for E.M.E operations, but from over 60 years of experience on
6M, I can tell you that super sensitive receiver performance is NOT a
pre-requisite to working LOTS of DX of 50 MHz.
When the band is open, either via E or F2 propagation, signals are usually
very "loud".

The only "weak" signals are those at the initial start and end of the
opening.

I remember working a station in Alaska from here in Virginia on SSB, who was
running 10 watts to a balcony mounted Saturn-6 halo, barely 10 feet off the
ground !
He was +10 dB over S nine for over an hour.

SO, don't fret over whether your noise figure is 0.5 dB or 2.5 dB, any
decent modern radio will hear just fine.

73, Charlie k3ICH


>160 countries confirmed on 6M on SSB & CW ONLY, no PSK-31, FT-8' etc. 

 


From ab2tc at arrl.net  Wed Jul  1 11:48:56 2020
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 08:48:56 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s noise figure spec
In-Reply-To: <CAKynJKn=JiMQVDp7WzDrQL70-M3TT=bDDxahkJE6nyvouDTR+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKynJKn=JiMQVDp7WzDrQL70-M3TT=bDDxahkJE6nyvouDTR+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1593618536791-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi,

Here is a quote of my response to the exact same question in 2017:

"Hi,

According to the ARRL review in November, 2dB! Deaf no more.

AB2TC - Knut"

That was from this thread:

https://marc.info/?l=elecraft&m=149365913804929&w=2

There was a fairly long follow up discussion that was quite informative
(e.g. the chip used is capable of much better performance in a
manufacturer's test circuit, but in a practical amplifier will do slightly
worse).

AB2TC - Knut




stengrevics wrote
> Does anyone know what the preamp 2 noise figure is on 6 meters?  I have
> not been able to find it in the owner's manual or in Fred's book.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John
> WA1EAZ



Dave Sublette-2 wrote
> Does anybody KNOW what the noise figure is for the 50MHz preamp on the
> K3s?  It isn't listed in the specifications.
> 
> I need to know in order to make system noise figure calculations.  My
> feedline is going to be long (low loss, but long) and I'm trying to
> determine if I will need a preamp mounted at the antenna.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dave, K4TO
> ______________________________________________________________
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Wed Jul  1 12:54:37 2020
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 09:54:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s noise figure spec
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9zxrsy1W4TGXyab++jz-OPgB7VhfTk1cMZ8sGc+Bo0RVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKynJKn=JiMQVDp7WzDrQL70-M3TT=bDDxahkJE6nyvouDTR+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACYeN9zxrsy1W4TGXyab++jz-OPgB7VhfTk1cMZ8sGc+Bo0RVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <770e8489-6f21-e7b7-d606-a5d6671d509d@foothill.net>

My, how things have changed!? In the mid 60's in SE Asia, in a mobile 
troposcatter system [AN/MRC-98], we had 4 receivers that used Western 
Electric 416B planar triodes with the amazing NF of 3.7 dB at 460 MHz.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/1/2020 6:39 AM, Jim Miller wrote:
> The PR6-10 was the latest released preamp as an accessory for the K3 prior
> to the K3s with its built in preamp. They are likely very similar.
>
> Here's the manual for the preamp:
>
> https://ftp.elecraft.com/PR/Manuals%20Downloads/PR6-10%20Owners%20Manual%20Rev%20A.pdf
>
>
> NF is claimed to be 0.7db typical.
>
> 73 and stay safe
>
> jim ab3cv
>
>


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Jul  1 14:26:22 2020
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 11:26:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s noise figure spec
In-Reply-To: <003e01d64fbc$0d4c2bb0$27e48310$@erols.com>
References: <CAKynJKn=JiMQVDp7WzDrQL70-M3TT=bDDxahkJE6nyvouDTR+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACYeN9zxrsy1W4TGXyab++jz-OPgB7VhfTk1cMZ8sGc+Bo0RVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<003e01d64fbc$0d4c2bb0$27e48310$@erols.com>
Message-ID: <c7e369cc-0d7b-6f1b-3147-d7c4691972c0@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/1/2020 8:26 AM, Charlie T wrote:
> I can tell you that super sensitive receiver performance is NOT a
> pre-requisite to working LOTS of DX of 50 MHz.

But it CAN be critical to working the weakest stations that you might be 
chasing for an award or a new state, grid, or country.

73, Jim K9YC

From ke8g.jim at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 15:18:19 2020
From: ke8g.jim at gmail.com (KE8G)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 14:18:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VFO A & B encoder shaft diameter
Message-ID: <CAOdpi6EvWeJe_7rywTEPZ7bx2dADjpsD3v3OBmWRU+Aci7LY5A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,
I have gone through the manual for a K3 & K3s but can't find the diameter
of the VFO's encoder shafts.

Please advise.

Thanks in advance,
Jim - KE8G

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Jul  1 16:44:54 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 16:44:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VFO A & B encoder shaft diameter
In-Reply-To: <CAOdpi6EvWeJe_7rywTEPZ7bx2dADjpsD3v3OBmWRU+Aci7LY5A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOdpi6EvWeJe_7rywTEPZ7bx2dADjpsD3v3OBmWRU+Aci7LY5A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <892ed944-436c-46ad-321f-19a8c2149e2f@embarqmail.com>

The encoder shaft is 1/4 inch.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/1/2020 3:18 PM, KE8G wrote:
> Hi All,
> I have gone through the manual for a K3 & K3s but can't find the diameter
> of the VFO's encoder shafts.
> 

From ua9cdc at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 16:48:12 2020
From: ua9cdc at gmail.com (Igor Sokolov)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 01:48:12 +0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Err TXG message
In-Reply-To: <CAOdpi6EvWeJe_7rywTEPZ7bx2dADjpsD3v3OBmWRU+Aci7LY5A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOdpi6EvWeJe_7rywTEPZ7bx2dADjpsD3v3OBmWRU+Aci7LY5A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <24700f14-3800-e640-1502-809ecd272e81@gmail.com>

My K3 S/N 1651 has developed a problem showing ERR TXG message from time 
to time on different bands and 2.5:1 SWR on 28 MHz even into dummy load. 
In fact I think these are two separate unrelated issues, but I might be 
wrong.

TX gain calibration fails for 5 W (does not go above 4.5W) and works OK 
for 50W everywhere but on 28 MHz because of high SWR.

I have filled in the tech support? form on the Elecraft site about a 
week ago but did not receive no response. I understand that is 
associated with COVID problem. So may be someone on the reflector can 
advise me what to do. Sending the radio back to the factory is not an 
option.

73, Igor UA9CDC



From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Jul  1 17:10:25 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 17:10:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Err TXG message
In-Reply-To: <24700f14-3800-e640-1502-809ecd272e81@gmail.com>
References: <CAOdpi6EvWeJe_7rywTEPZ7bx2dADjpsD3v3OBmWRU+Aci7LY5A@mail.gmail.com>
	<24700f14-3800-e640-1502-809ecd272e81@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d1b9809e-dc59-24b4-3130-1d031ba711f2@embarqmail.com>

Igor,

Try doing the TX Gain Calibration manually (described in the manual).
It is a bit tedious because it must be done on a band by band basis.

An email to support at elecraft.com may get quicker attention than the form 
on the webpage.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/1/2020 4:48 PM, Igor Sokolov wrote:
> My K3 S/N 1651 has developed a problem showing ERR TXG message from time 
> to time on different bands and 2.5:1 SWR on 28 MHz even into dummy load. 
> In fact I think these are two separate unrelated issues, but I might be 
> wrong.
> 
> TX gain calibration fails for 5 W (does not go above 4.5W) and works OK 
> for 50W everywhere but on 28 MHz because of high SWR.
> 
> I have filled in the tech support? form on the Elecraft site about a 
> week ago but did not receive no response. I understand that is 
> associated with COVID problem. So may be someone on the reflector can 
> advise me what to do. Sending the radio back to the factory is not an 
> option.

From ke8g.jim at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 17:17:59 2020
From: ke8g.jim at gmail.com (KE8G)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 16:17:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VFO A & B encoder shaft diameter
In-Reply-To: <892ed944-436c-46ad-321f-19a8c2149e2f@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAOdpi6EvWeJe_7rywTEPZ7bx2dADjpsD3v3OBmWRU+Aci7LY5A@mail.gmail.com>
	<892ed944-436c-46ad-321f-19a8c2149e2f@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOdpi6Edn818gEtdFxr+x7bR=wBnkLw_40fkQ8JsJyYa1UZFLw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Dan,
Thank you very much!  Not able to measure it, as I am at my Texas home and
the radio is at my Ohio home.

73 de Jim - KE8G

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 3:44 PM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> The encoder shaft is 1/4 inch.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/1/2020 3:18 PM, KE8G wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > I have gone through the manual for a K3 & K3s but can't find the diameter
> > of the VFO's encoder shafts.
> >
>

From carlos.on6cn at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 17:19:27 2020
From: carlos.on6cn at gmail.com (carlos.p)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 14:19:27 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] k2 cap
Message-ID: <1593638367723-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

hi, c 135 10nf cap fitted on the bottom side of the rf board,
between the 2d fastener and transistor
seems sticking out to high, i wonder if someone experienced this,
not soldered in yet, i wait for some possible comments on that,
regards carlos on6cn



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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Jul  1 17:36:17 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 17:36:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] k2 cap
In-Reply-To: <1593638367723-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1593638367723-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <aa3a724c-5ef1-0a09-dcdd-3ba0cc645914@embarqmail.com>

Carlos,

Yes, that is an unfortunate effect of the difficulty in obtaining 
thru-hole capacitors.  That particular one cannot be bent over because 
it will interfere with the PA transistor mounting.

If you also ordered the KSB2 option, there is an extra 0.01uF (10nF) 
capacitor in that kit.  It has a narrow lead spacing, but can be used to 
solve this problem.  If no KSB2, then do you have a capacitor that you 
can use instead of the one supplied.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/1/2020 5:19 PM, carlos.p wrote:
> hi, c 135 10nf cap fitted on the bottom side of the rf board,
> between the 2d fastener and transistor
> seems sticking out to high, i wonder if someone experienced this,
> not soldered in yet, i wait for some possible comments on that,
> regards carlos on6cn
> 

From norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 17:39:58 2020
From: norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com (Eric Norris)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 14:39:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: IC-705
Message-ID: <CAJSJeL0SLCXJMbWy+EHhgucPrgvVAj8weN6SBqGZq6DjPgFeUQ@mail.gmail.com>

I know Elecraft is very busy finalizing the K4, but I wonder if they have a
secret Tiger Team working on a response to the IC--705?  Perhaps a KX4?

73 Eric WD6DBM

From mikekopacki at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 17:44:03 2020
From: mikekopacki at gmail.com (NJMike)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 14:44:03 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Difference in dummy loads
Message-ID: <1593639843018-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

I need to purchase a dummy load for use with my K2/100.  What's the
difference between a dry dummy load and an air cooled dummy load?  Which is
better?

Thanks,
Mike NJ2OM



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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Wed Jul  1 18:24:21 2020
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 15:24:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Difference in dummy loads
In-Reply-To: <1593639843018-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1593639843018-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <9FB75AB0-BD1E-4BEA-8B5B-4251055A3D86@wunderwood.org>

An air-cooled dry dummy load is just fine for 100 W. I like the Oak Hills Research RFL-100 kit. $50 and easy to build. It uses twenty 5 W resistors.

http://www.ohr.com/rfl100.htm

I wrote up my build of that kit here.

https://observer.wunderwood.org/2016/12/31/building-a-dummy-load/

If you want to buy instead of build, I?d look at one of the used Bird dummy loads listed here. There are other sites, but this one seems to have a good selection.

https://www.nm3e.com/loadSampler.htm#LoadSampler

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jul 1, 2020, at 2:44 PM, NJMike <mikekopacki at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I need to purchase a dummy load for use with my K2/100.  What's the
> difference between a dry dummy load and an air cooled dummy load?  Which is
> better?
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike NJ2OM
> 
> 
> 
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From mikekopacki at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 18:36:34 2020
From: mikekopacki at gmail.com (Mike Kopacki)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 18:36:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Difference in dummy loads
In-Reply-To: <9FB75AB0-BD1E-4BEA-8B5B-4251055A3D86@wunderwood.org>
References: <1593639843018-0.post@n2.nabble.com>,
	<9FB75AB0-BD1E-4BEA-8B5B-4251055A3D86@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <A889206F-09D9-4DDD-8023-397F7B95F6A9@hxcore.ol>


From norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 19:45:57 2020
From: norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com (Eric Norris)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 16:45:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Difference in dummy loads
In-Reply-To: <1593639843018-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1593639843018-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAJSJeL2v2z4NrfaNEJQ1prY_M3eRawZ_e_jAB01g2AjD_Xp3HQ@mail.gmail.com>

Basically the same thing.  I suggest the Vectronics DL-650 (dx engineering)
or a commercial pull from Ridge Equipment.  For serious testing, I fire up
my 2GHz, 6kW water-cooled dummy load--louder than 10 KPA-1500s on PCP.

Always get more capacity than you need. --because you'll need it later.  If
you get an amp, a high power dummy load is essential for tracking down
possible RFI.  I keep a 50-watt dummy load on ANT2 of the K3S for a quick
TXGN CAL, and a DL-2500 on ANT2 of the KPA1500.  But then, I love the smell
of a hot dummy load in the morning.  It smells like...radio.

73 Eric WD6DBM

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 2:44 PM NJMike <mikekopacki at gmail.com> wrote:

> I need to purchase a dummy load for use with my K2/100.  What's the
> difference between a dry dummy load and an air cooled dummy load?  Which is
> better?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike NJ2OM
>
>
>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Jul  1 20:31:05 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 20:31:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Difference in dummy loads
In-Reply-To: <CAJSJeL2v2z4NrfaNEJQ1prY_M3eRawZ_e_jAB01g2AjD_Xp3HQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1593639843018-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<CAJSJeL2v2z4NrfaNEJQ1prY_M3eRawZ_e_jAB01g2AjD_Xp3HQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8077cafe-9424-265d-9d53-9b39ba8c3bca@embarqmail.com>

A dry dummy load is good for up to its power rating - but do not exceed 
that rating.  The air cooled dummy loads not only require power for the 
fan, but may be over-rated for their power spec.

I prefer dry or oil immersed dummy loads.

A good dummy load should present a 1.0 SWR for all the bands of 
interest.  Check with an antenna analyzer.  If you have access to a 
vector analyzer, it should show 50 ohms resistive and zero reactance at 
all frequencies of interest.

Those home-built with resistors can usually be OK up through 30 MHz, but 
may fail at 50 MHz and above - and that includes the 'cantenna' types 
(oil immersed resistors).  careful construction is required to reduce 
the inductance involved in the mounting and assembly.

I have 3 'cantenna' type dummy loads, two for 150 watts In quart cans 
and one for 1000 watts in a gallon can.  They are OK up through 30 MHz, 
but not above that level.
They are good for loads on the transmitter, but are not sufficient for 
precise measurement.

I also have 2 precision dummy loads that are good up into the GHz 
region.  Those are the ones that I use for measurements (up to 100 
watts) And for the K3 TX Gain calibration.  I have another that I rate 
at 50 watts (using a 100 watt Caddock thick film resistor on a heatsink) 
that is a good load up through 220 MHz.

None of mine are air cooled.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/1/2020 7:45 PM, Eric Norris wrote:
> Basically the same thing.  I suggest the Vectronics DL-650 (dx engineering)
> or a commercial pull from Ridge Equipment.  For serious testing, I fire up
> my 2GHz, 6kW water-cooled dummy load--louder than 10 KPA-1500s on PCP.
> 
> Always get more capacity than you need. --because you'll need it later.  If
> you get an amp, a high power dummy load is essential for tracking down
> possible RFI.  I keep a 50-watt dummy load on ANT2 of the K3S for a quick
> TXGN CAL, and a DL-2500 on ANT2 of the KPA1500.  But then, I love the smell
> of a hot dummy load in the morning.  It smells like...radio.
> 
> 73 Eric WD6DBM
> 
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 2:44 PM NJMike <mikekopacki at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I need to purchase a dummy load for use with my K2/100.  What's the
>> difference between a dry dummy load and an air cooled dummy load?  Which is
>> better?

From wa8jxm at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 20:32:58 2020
From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken WA8JXM)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 20:32:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Difference in dummy loads
In-Reply-To: <1593639843018-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1593639843018-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAABDLm1LfK+zba7HEwhtf=TuV6XQO346UofJmyttad4XXPoEfA@mail.gmail.com>

The difference between a "dry" and an "air cooled"?  I think they are the
same.  The difference is with "oil cooled".  Heathkit used to sell a
"Cantenna" which was a dummy load in a gallon paint can.  Add your own
transformer oil.  IIRC it was rated for a KW for a short period.

Ken WA8JXM

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:45 PM NJMike <mikekopacki at gmail.com> wrote:

> I need to purchase a dummy load for use with my K2/100.  What's the
> difference between a dry dummy load and an air cooled dummy load?  Which is
> better?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike NJ2OM
>
>
>
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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Wed Jul  1 20:44:58 2020
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Wed,  1 Jul 2020 20:44:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Difference in dummy loads
In-Reply-To: <CAABDLm1LfK+zba7HEwhtf=TuV6XQO346UofJmyttad4XXPoEfA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-F379AA8FC8084D81AE69AE65D135E95C@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

I have a MFJ-264 which is rated for 100W more or less 
continuously and 1500W for 10 seconds. It seems to work within 
its specs. I've used it at up to 1KW or so.

I assume it is like most MFJ equipment, it does what it is 
specified to do, but don't push it even a little bit beyond.

73 Bill AE6JV

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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Jul  1 21:34:03 2020
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 18:34:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  Other Radios
In-Reply-To: <CAJSJeL0SLCXJMbWy+EHhgucPrgvVAj8weN6SBqGZq6DjPgFeUQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJSJeL0SLCXJMbWy+EHhgucPrgvVAj8weN6SBqGZq6DjPgFeUQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EF18800A-3B4C-44C5-BC71-122EE6342AA0@elecraft.com>


> Eric Norris <norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I know Elecraft is very busy finalizing the K4, but I wonder if they have a
> secret Tiger Team working on a response to the IC--705?  Perhaps a KX4?

Hi Eric,

I can't comment on any mythical beasts one way or the other. But I think the existing KX line holds its own against the most likely competition, both old and new.

Take the KX2. Relative to either of the Other Radios:

- it's 60% lighter / 50% smaller (i.e., it really *is* an HF HT)

- on battery power, it draws only 150 mA in RX mode vs. 400-700 mA

- has an internal battery with over twice the capacity (watt-hours)

- includes a built-in mic and keyer paddle

- provides nearly the same DSP feature set as the K3S, 
  including text decode/encode/display in multiple modes

- has an extremely high-contrast LCD easily readable in bright sunlight
  (The Others wash out -- ask me how I know...)

...and perhaps most important:

- the KX2, like the KX3, has a built-in wide range ATU that will match 
  anything from barbed wire fences to lightly salted snow.

SOTA and POTA and casual users alike have told us that these are the factors that matter most in a portable rig. Those who also need VHF/UHF capability typically carry an inexpensive dual-band HT for that purpose.

Disclaimer: IMHO. YMMV.

73.5,
Wayne
N6KR


From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Wed Jul  1 22:52:04 2020
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Wed,  1 Jul 2020 22:52:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  Other Radios
In-Reply-To: <EF18800A-3B4C-44C5-BC71-122EE6342AA0@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-31194A6D27E54120BD8FE9238E4277BD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

I can testify to this statement. I have learned that when my KX3 
takes a long time getting a match, with lots of clicking etc. 
that I should check to make sure the antenna is actually 
connected and that the coax isn't shorted.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 7/1/20 at 9:34 PM, n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) wrote:

>- the KX2, like the KX3, has a built-in wide range ATU that 
>will match anything from barbed wire fences to lightly salted snow.

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From tcowan at my321.net  Wed Jul  1 23:15:44 2020
From: tcowan at my321.net (Ted Cowan)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 21:15:44 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Want to buy: Elecraft XG1 or XG2
In-Reply-To: <CAPxKSaG1mkqpdmLUtzjODwhe+MvBt1U6ZVas4ekMVFf4mbAGew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPxKSaG1mkqpdmLUtzjODwhe+MvBt1U6ZVas4ekMVFf4mbAGew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPxKSaFs05B_XafONdv_OpZEO5ppUNQaW9091+P4CQ5XdnHa1g@mail.gmail.com>

I have found an XG2 in working condition.

Thank you all for your offers and interest.

73, Ted NA7C

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 10:04 PM Ted Cowan <tcowan at my321.net> wrote:

> I am looking to buy an Elecraft XG1 or XG2, either built and working or in
> kit form.
>
> 73, Ted NA7C
>

From buddy at brannan.name  Thu Jul  2 00:25:44 2020
From: buddy at brannan.name (buddy at brannan.name)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 00:25:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  Other Radios
In-Reply-To: <EF18800A-3B4C-44C5-BC71-122EE6342AA0@elecraft.com>
References: <CAJSJeL0SLCXJMbWy+EHhgucPrgvVAj8weN6SBqGZq6DjPgFeUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<EF18800A-3B4C-44C5-BC71-122EE6342AA0@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <028601d65028$db614ff0$9223efd0$@brannan.name>

I frankly don't understand the appeal of the IC-705. It sounds like it's a
'7300 except at QRP levels, for about the same price. Am I wrong about that?
Because that doesn't sound nearly as portable as a even a KX3. And it
doesn't even come with an automagic antenna tuner. 

FWIW, even though I'm not very active of late, I still love my KX3! And my
K2, even if the K2 is still sort of packed away from an aborted move.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:34 PM
To: Eric Norris
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Other Radios


> Eric Norris <norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I know Elecraft is very busy finalizing the K4, but I wonder if they have
a
> secret Tiger Team working on a response to the IC--705?  Perhaps a KX4?

Hi Eric,

I can't comment on any mythical beasts one way or the other. But I think the
existing KX line holds its own against the most likely competition, both old
and new.

Take the KX2. Relative to either of the Other Radios:

- it's 60% lighter / 50% smaller (i.e., it really *is* an HF HT)

- on battery power, it draws only 150 mA in RX mode vs. 400-700 mA

- has an internal battery with over twice the capacity (watt-hours)

- includes a built-in mic and keyer paddle

- provides nearly the same DSP feature set as the K3S, 
  including text decode/encode/display in multiple modes

- has an extremely high-contrast LCD easily readable in bright sunlight
  (The Others wash out -- ask me how I know...)

...and perhaps most important:

- the KX2, like the KX3, has a built-in wide range ATU that will match 
  anything from barbed wire fences to lightly salted snow.

SOTA and POTA and casual users alike have told us that these are the factors
that matter most in a portable rig. Those who also need VHF/UHF capability
typically carry an inexpensive dual-band HT for that purpose.

Disclaimer: IMHO. YMMV.

73.5,
Wayne
N6KR

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From dxdx at optonline.net  Thu Jul  2 00:50:48 2020
From: dxdx at optonline.net (Tony)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 00:50:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Early Production K1's
Message-ID: <0c4eadde-5862-1a08-8320-6476fe063448@optonline.net>

All:

I may have found the K1 I've been looking for. It's serial number is in 
the 550 range and I'd like to know if there's any issues with these 
early production runs before I make a purchase.

I'm told the K1 is a solid design with quality components so I suspect 
longevity isn't a problem. I understand parts are available so that 
doesn't appear to be an issue either.

Thanks,

Tony


From macymonkeys at charter.net  Thu Jul  2 01:09:17 2020
From: macymonkeys at charter.net (Macy monkeys)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 22:09:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Early Production K1's
In-Reply-To: <0c4eadde-5862-1a08-8320-6476fe063448@optonline.net>
References: <0c4eadde-5862-1a08-8320-6476fe063448@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <AFD255C5-742F-4956-93E1-2C5FA26D4464@charter.net>

I have K1?s 78 and 52, built a long, long time ago. Still percolating perfectly. Never had any problems. Used no. 78 in Field Day without nary a hiccup.

John K7FD

> On Jul 1, 2020, at 9:50 PM, Tony <dxdx at optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> All:
> 
> I may have found the K1 I've been looking for. It's serial number is in the 550 range and I'd like to know if there's any issues with these early production runs before I make a purchase.
> 
> I'm told the K1 is a solid design with quality components so I suspect longevity isn't a problem. I understand parts are available so that doesn't appear to be an issue either.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tony
> 
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 03:01:13 2020
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 10:01:13 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Err TXG message
In-Reply-To: <24700f14-3800-e640-1502-809ecd272e81@gmail.com>
References: <CAOdpi6EvWeJe_7rywTEPZ7bx2dADjpsD3v3OBmWRU+Aci7LY5A@mail.gmail.com>
	<24700f14-3800-e640-1502-809ecd272e81@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7bc94780-cf6e-5af2-c03c-f194cc018105@gmail.com>

Igor,

Try this: attach the dummy load and then tune the ATU into it. Then 
switch the ATU to BYPASS for the calibration.
I am not sure why this helps, but it is worth a try. This is only for 
the non-S version K3, in which the ATU is not really bypassed.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
.
On 01/07/2020 23:48, Igor Sokolov wrote:
> My K3 S/N 1651 has developed a problem showing ERR TXG message from time 
> to time on different bands and 2.5:1 SWR on 28 MHz even into dummy load. 
> In fact I think these are two separate unrelated issues, but I might be 
> wrong.
> 
> TX gain calibration fails for 5 W (does not go above 4.5W) and works OK 
> for 50W everywhere but on 28 MHz because of high SWR.
> 
> I have filled in the tech support? form on the Elecraft site about a 
> week ago but did not receive no response. I understand that is 
> associated with COVID problem. So may be someone on the reflector can 
> advise me what to do. Sending the radio back to the factory is not an 
> option.
> 
> 73, Igor UA9CDC

From tfricke at web.de  Thu Jul  2 04:28:07 2020
From: tfricke at web.de (Thorsten Fricke)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 10:28:07 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Other Radios
In-Reply-To: <EF18800A-3B4C-44C5-BC71-122EE6342AA0@elecraft.com>
References: <CAJSJeL0SLCXJMbWy+EHhgucPrgvVAj8weN6SBqGZq6DjPgFeUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<EF18800A-3B4C-44C5-BC71-122EE6342AA0@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <39852318-a701-412a-5571-74c43fe5c9b7@web.de>

Am 02.07.20 um 03:34 schrieb Wayne Burdick:
>
...

> - includes a built-in mic and keyer paddle
>

A built-in keyer paddle? I must have overseen that in the handbook...
Ok, I am learning CW with a Palm micro paddle, but a built in one,
how/where can this be found?

...
> ...and perhaps most important:
>
> - the KX2, like the KX3, has a built-in wide range ATU that will match
>    anything from barbed wire fences to lightly salted snow.
>

"... lightly salted snow..." THANKS, that just made my day! And just to
confirm, I am sure, that the KX2 ATU will really do this!

> SOTA and POTA and casual users alike have told us that these are the factors that matter most in a portable rig. Those who also need VHF/UHF capability typically carry an inexpensive dual-band HT for that purpose.
>
> Disclaimer: IMHO. YMMV.
>
> 73.5,
> Wayne
> N6KR

Thanks
Thossi
DH4FT

From k9ztv at socket.net  Thu Jul  2 06:33:35 2020
From: k9ztv at socket.net (K9ZTV)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 05:33:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Other Radios
In-Reply-To: <39852318-a701-412a-5571-74c43fe5c9b7@web.de>
References: <CAJSJeL0SLCXJMbWy+EHhgucPrgvVAj8weN6SBqGZq6DjPgFeUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<EF18800A-3B4C-44C5-BC71-122EE6342AA0@elecraft.com>
	<39852318-a701-412a-5571-74c43fe5c9b7@web.de>
Message-ID: <056282B8-D73E-4EF0-B715-6D0ACA615B73@socket.net>

You?re a victim of a run-on sentence.  He meant the rig has a built-in microphone and a keyer paddle which is attachable (not ?built-in?).

Where he came up with ?lightly salted snow? I haven?t a clue, but it?s the quote of the year in my opinion.

73.5 also bears scrutiny. 

73,

Kent  K9ZTV

> On Jul 2, 2020, at 3:28 AM, Thorsten Fricke <tfricke at web.de> wrote:
> 
>> Am 02.07.20 um 03:34 schrieb Wayne Burdick:
>> 
> ...
> 
>> - includes a built-in mic and keyer paddle
>> 
> 
> A built-in keyer paddle? I must have overseen that in the handbook...
> Ok, I am learning CW with a Palm micro paddle, but a built in one,
> how/where can this be found?
> 
> ...
>> ...and perhaps most important:
>> 
>> - the KX2, like the KX3, has a built-in wide range ATU that will match
>>   anything from barbed wire fences to lightly salted snow.
>> 
> 
> "... lightly salted snow..." THANKS, that just made my day! And just to
> confirm, I am sure, that the KX2 ATU will really do this!
> 
>> SOTA and POTA and casual users alike have told us that these are the factors that matter most in a portable rig. Those who also need VHF/UHF capability typically carry an inexpensive dual-band HT for that purpose.
>> 
>> Disclaimer: IMHO. YMMV.
>> 
>> 73.5,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
> 
> Thanks
> Thossi
> DH4FT
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From nw0m at embarqmail.com  Thu Jul  2 06:42:32 2020
From: nw0m at embarqmail.com (NW0M)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 03:42:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Difference in dummy loads
In-Reply-To: <1593639843018-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1593639843018-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1593686552287-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Mike,

Don't over-think this one.  For 98% of us hams the MFJ dummy loads will work
fine.  

The MFJ-260C is rated at 300 watts and sells for $50.

The MFJ-264 is rated for 1500 watts (an Ohio vendor sells it for $80) if you
think an amplifier is in your future plans.  

73, Mitch



--
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From mikekopacki at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 07:16:19 2020
From: mikekopacki at gmail.com (Mike Kopacki)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 07:16:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Difference in dummy loads
In-Reply-To: <1593686552287-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1593686552287-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <ACA8FD57-7D6C-4140-8A24-10ABD36A14B9@gmail.com>

I ordered the MFJ-260C. Thanks for all the replies!

Thanks,
Mike NJ2OM 

> On Jul 2, 2020, at 6:44 AM, NW0M <nw0m at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Mike,
> 
> Don't over-think this one.  For 98% of us hams the MFJ dummy loads will work
> fine.  
> 
> The MFJ-260C is rated at 300 watts and sells for $50.
> 
> The MFJ-264 is rated for 1500 watts (an Ohio vendor sells it for $80) if you
> think an amplifier is in your future plans.  
> 
> 73, Mitch
> 
> 
> 
> --
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Jul  2 08:11:00 2020
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 08:11:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Other Radios
In-Reply-To: <056282B8-D73E-4EF0-B715-6D0ACA615B73@socket.net>
References: <056282B8-D73E-4EF0-B715-6D0ACA615B73@socket.net>
Message-ID: <A5C0FD81-B419-49D4-9774-B749B74BE712@widomaker.com>

The KX2 has a ?Built-In Electronic Keyer? and optional ?Attachable Paddles?. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 2, 2020, at 6:35 AM, K9ZTV <k9ztv at socket.net> wrote:
> 
> ?You?re a victim of a run-on sentence.  He meant the rig has a built-in microphone and a keyer paddle which is attachable (not ?built-in?).
> 
> Where he came up with ?lightly salted snow? I haven?t a clue, but it?s the quote of the year in my opinion.
> 
> 73.5 also bears scrutiny. 
> 
> 73,
> 
> Kent  K9ZTV
> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2020, at 3:28 AM, Thorsten Fricke <tfricke at web.de> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Am 02.07.20 um 03:34 schrieb Wayne Burdick:
>>> 
>> ...
>> 
>>> - includes a built-in mic and keyer paddle
>>> 
>> 
>> A built-in keyer paddle? I must have overseen that in the handbook...
>> Ok, I am learning CW with a Palm micro paddle, but a built in one,
>> how/where can this be found?
>> 
>> ...
>>> ...and perhaps most important:
>>> 
>>> - the KX2, like the KX3, has a built-in wide range ATU that will match
>>>  anything from barbed wire fences to lightly salted snow.
>>> 
>> 
>> "... lightly salted snow..." THANKS, that just made my day! And just to
>> confirm, I am sure, that the KX2 ATU will really do this!
>> 
>>> SOTA and POTA and casual users alike have told us that these are the factors that matter most in a portable rig. Those who also need VHF/UHF capability typically carry an inexpensive dual-band HT for that purpose.
>>> 
>>> Disclaimer: IMHO. YMMV.
>>> 
>>> 73.5,
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Thossi
>> DH4FT
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Thu Jul  2 08:17:44 2020
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 05:17:44 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s noise figure spec
In-Reply-To: <c7e369cc-0d7b-6f1b-3147-d7c4691972c0@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CAKynJKn=JiMQVDp7WzDrQL70-M3TT=bDDxahkJE6nyvouDTR+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACYeN9zxrsy1W4TGXyab++jz-OPgB7VhfTk1cMZ8sGc+Bo0 RVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<003e01d64fbc$0d4c2bb0$27e48310$@erols.com>
	<c7e369cc-0d7b-6f1b-3147-d7c4691972c0@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <9ca98016-4702-b10e-1fad-fe2aa20b485a@triconet.org>

Yes, lots of DX and *all* of the DX are two different things.

Wes? N7WS

On 7/1/2020 11:26 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 7/1/2020 8:26 AM, Charlie T wrote:
>> I can tell you that super sensitive receiver performance is NOT a
>> pre-requisite to working LOTS of DX of 50 MHz.
>
> But it CAN be critical to working the weakest stations that you might be 
> chasing for an award or a new state, grid, or country.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC 


From mark.yergin at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 08:43:00 2020
From: mark.yergin at gmail.com (Mark Yergin)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 08:43:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Cap C135
Message-ID: <CAMDFhzQw=j-jSqEDjVNM6WMDvGOZUC90NRGsetX=nAY5VTRvyA@mail.gmail.com>

Carlos - There are lots of these 103 caps in the kit.  From a size
perspective (lead spacing in particular) they are not all exactly the
same.  Try different ones and see if you can find one that fits better and
all the way flush with the board.  When I built my K2 I was able to find
one that sat flush.

Mark W8EWH
K2 S/N 7867


Message: 7
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 17:36:17 -0400
From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
To: "carlos.p" <carlos.on6cn at gmail.com>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k2 cap
Message-ID: <aa3a724c-5ef1-0a09-dcdd-3ba0cc645914 at embarqmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Carlos,

Yes, that is an unfortunate effect of the difficulty in obtaining
thru-hole capacitors.  That particular one cannot be bent over because
it will interfere with the PA transistor mounting.

If you also ordered the KSB2 option, there is an extra 0.01uF (10nF)
capacitor in that kit.  It has a narrow lead spacing, but can be used to
solve this problem.  If no KSB2, then do you have a capacitor that you
can use instead of the one supplied.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/1/2020 5:19 PM, carlos.p wrote:
> hi, c 135 10nf cap fitted on the bottom side of the rf board,
> between the 2d fastener and transistor
> seems sticking out to high, i wonder if someone experienced this,
> not soldered in yet, i wait for some possible comments on that,
> regards carlos on6cn
>

From gibson at alma.edu  Thu Jul  2 09:29:31 2020
From: gibson at alma.edu (John Gibson)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 13:29:31 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Test message - 2020-07-02
Message-ID: <CH2PR16MB347756B6C69233291EB253E8BF6D0@CH2PR16MB3477.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

Test.

73,

John, no8v

From jaunti at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 09:36:47 2020
From: jaunti at gmail.com (Jan Timmers)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 06:36:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Other Radios
In-Reply-To: <EF18800A-3B4C-44C5-BC71-122EE6342AA0@elecraft.com>
References: <CAJSJeL0SLCXJMbWy+EHhgucPrgvVAj8weN6SBqGZq6DjPgFeUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<EF18800A-3B4C-44C5-BC71-122EE6342AA0@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CANa_i+he0RQL2BMAn-NgNBsQgSmokxSTipqaG3CirPnbwvr1eQ@mail.gmail.com>

Regards;
John Timmers

Hehe - lightly salted snow. Nice one

73.5 de VE7JBT :-)


On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 6:36 PM Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

>
>
> - the KX2, like the KX3, has a built-in wide range ATU that will match
>   anything from barbed wire fences to lightly salted snow.
>
> Disclaimer: IMHO. YMMV.
>
> 73.5,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Thu Jul  2 12:47:08 2020
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 09:47:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Difference in dummy loads
In-Reply-To: <1593686552287-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1593639843018-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1593686552287-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <291EEA2B-5597-43DD-8DAC-108C0D8CA421@wunderwood.org>

> On Jul 2, 2020, at 3:42 AM, NW0M <nw0m at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Don't over-think this one.  For 98% of us hams the MFJ dummy loads will work
> fine.  
> 
> The MFJ-260C is rated at 300 watts and sells for $50.

Looking at the rating curve in the manual, that is 300 W for 30 seconds or 100 W for 90 seconds.

For $50, I?d still go with the Oak Hills Research kit. That handles 100 W continuous, no time limit. http://www.ohr.com/rfl100.htm

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)


From n7tb at comcast.net  Thu Jul  2 12:54:02 2020
From: n7tb at comcast.net (Terry Brown)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 09:54:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  RF Choke question
Message-ID: <004501d65091$66ce3b80$346ab280$@comcast.net>

I need some advice from someone with experience in dealing with RF problems.
I have an in-home elevator that is putting out RF hash in harmonic locations
on the ham bands, especially 80 meters.  I've gotten tired of dealing with
the noise.  I have both a 240V circuit and a 120V circuit feeding the
control panel.  The 120V circuit powers the cab lights and elevator
switches.  The 240 feeds the motors the raise and lower the elevator.  The
cab is 3 ft. by 4 ft. so it isn't a small residential elevator.  We had our
house designed for it when we built two years ago.

 

I have two 4 in. inside diameter RF toroid chokes that I bought specifically
for the ham bands.  I plan on putting these RF chokes on the electrical
supply lines for each circuit right before they enter the control panel to
see if it helps my RF issue.  I have two questions.

 

1.	Is rapping 10 turns of the electrical wires of each circuit around
the toroid enough?

 

2.	The electrical wires are individually connected to the control
panel.  In the case of the 120V, there is a white, black, and ground.  In
the case of the 240, there is 3 reds, a black and a ground.  Do I have to
wrap the ground wires of these circuits around the toroid as I do the other
electrical wires?

 

It will be interesting to see how much better my K4 will be when I get it,
in rejecting RF noise, compared to my KX2, KX3, and K2.  

 

Thanks and 73,

 

Terry, N7TB


From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Thu Jul  2 13:16:29 2020
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2020 09:16:29 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Difference in dummy loads
Message-ID: <202007021716.062HGUQI011858@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>

I bought an air-cooled Bird 8201 rated 500w to 3-GHz from e-bay for 
$300.  It can handle 1500w for short transmissions.

73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Jul  2 13:35:45 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 13:35:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Early Production K1's
In-Reply-To: <0c4eadde-5862-1a08-8320-6476fe063448@optonline.net>
References: <0c4eadde-5862-1a08-8320-6476fe063448@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <3dd84334-7247-375c-550f-c5bc33c1cc95@embarqmail.com>

Tony,

There were a few mods to the K1s, but none of them serious.  I can't 
recall the serial number range for the cutover to new boards.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/2/2020 12:50 AM, Tony wrote:
> All:
> 
> I may have found the K1 I've been looking for. It's serial number is in 
> the 550 range and I'd like to know if there's any issues with these 
> early production runs before I make a purchase.
> 
> I'm told the K1 is a solid design with quality components so I suspect 
> longevity isn't a problem. I understand parts are available so that 
> doesn't appear to be an issue either.
> 

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Jul  2 14:21:49 2020
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 11:21:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: RF Choke question
In-Reply-To: <004501d65091$66ce3b80$346ab280$@comcast.net>
References: <004501d65091$66ce3b80$346ab280$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <808fb60f-72aa-bd2f-c751-1d7009b47020@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/2/2020 9:54 AM, Terry Brown wrote:
> 1.	Is rapping 10 turns of the electrical wires of each circuit around
> the toroid enough?

Use the recommendations in  http://k9yc.com/2018Cookbook.pdf as a 
starting point, and study k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf to understand concepts.
> 
>   
> 
> 2.	The electrical wires are individually connected to the control
> panel.  In the case of the 120V, there is a white, black, and ground.  In
> the case of the 240, there is 3 reds, a black and a ground.  Do I have to
> wrap the ground wires of these circuits around the toroid as I do the other
> electrical wires?

ALL conductors must be wound around the ferrite. Chokes must be right at 
the noise source (the elevator motor's variable speed control 
electronics), NOT near the panel. Choke both the AC line side and the 
wiring between the motor's controller and the motor.

Also, make sure that the green wire between the AC line and the motor is 
the only ground for the elevator.

If possible, make all wiring associated with the elevator twisted 
triplet (for 120V or pure 240V) and twisted 4-conductor for combined 
120/240V wiring.

73, Jim K9YC


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Jul  2 15:17:08 2020
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 12:17:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Other Radios
In-Reply-To: <CANa_i+he0RQL2BMAn-NgNBsQgSmokxSTipqaG3CirPnbwvr1eQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJSJeL0SLCXJMbWy+EHhgucPrgvVAj8weN6SBqGZq6DjPgFeUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<EF18800A-3B4C-44C5-BC71-122EE6342AA0@elecraft.com>
	<CANa_i+he0RQL2BMAn-NgNBsQgSmokxSTipqaG3CirPnbwvr1eQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <823ea6e9-85bb-d04d-d63a-389cb68c1f5c@foothill.net>

Can't report on snow, seasoned or otherwise, but never underestimate the 
usefulness of a barbed wire fence.? I took my K2 to our Cal QSO Party 
expedition in Alpine County one year and use an old, falling down fence 
behind our camp connected directly to the BNC antenna connector through 
a short length of RG-58 and the ATU didn't even run more than a second 
or so.? Made a number of CW Q's from 8,550 ft.? We also used that fence 
as the counterpoise for a 160 Inv-L a couple of times.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/2/2020 6:36 AM, Jan Timmers wrote:
> Regards;
> John Timmers
>
> Hehe - lightly salted snow. Nice one
>
> 73.5 de VE7JBT :-)
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 6:36 PM Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> - the KX2, like the KX3, has a built-in wide range ATU that will match
>>    anything from barbed wire fences to lightly salted snow.
>>
>> Disclaimer: IMHO. YMMV.
>>
>> 73.5,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>


From w0eb at cox.net  Thu Jul  2 15:35:31 2020
From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 14:35:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Other Radios
In-Reply-To: <823ea6e9-85bb-d04d-d63a-389cb68c1f5c@foothill.net>
References: <823ea6e9-85bb-d04d-d63a-389cb68c1f5c@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <BCB3519B-A089-4E6E-A08A-FBEAE8157A30@cox.net>

Something else that worked real well with my KX2 at a hotel in Branson, MO a couple years ago (OzarkCon QRP convention) was the hotel?s rain gutter. I ran a short wire out my ground floor room window to a screw holding a bottom section on.  KX2?s tuner clicked a couple times, 1:1 SWR and I was able to work all over the US on 40 and 80 meters in the evenings.  Beat having to try getting a vertical up exposed in the parking lot and probably worked much better anyway.

Jim, W0EB

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 2, 2020, at 2:18 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Can't report on snow, seasoned or otherwise, but never underestimate the usefulness of a barbed wire fence.  I took my K2 to our Cal QSO Party expedition in Alpine County one year and use an old, falling down fence behind our camp connected directly to the BNC antenna connector through a short length of RG-58 and the ATU didn't even run more than a second or so.  Made a number of CW Q's from 8,550 ft.  We also used that fence as the counterpoise for a 160 Inv-L a couple of times.
> 
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
>> On 7/2/2020 6:36 AM, Jan Timmers wrote:
>> Regards;
>> John Timmers
>> 
>> Hehe - lightly salted snow. Nice one
>> 
>> 73.5 de VE7JBT :-)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 6:36 PM Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - the KX2, like the KX3, has a built-in wide range ATU that will match
>>>   anything from barbed wire fences to lightly salted snow.
>>> 
>>> Disclaimer: IMHO. YMMV.
>>> 
>>> 73.5,
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>> 
> 
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From charles at k5ua.com  Thu Jul  2 16:12:07 2020
From: charles at k5ua.com (charles at k5ua.com)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2020 15:12:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Pure Signal Output
Message-ID: <4f1252800cf52925d8420f04838d7837@k5ua.com>

Does anyone know if the RF coupler output in the KPA-1500 is functional
yet? 

Charles  K5UA

From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Thu Jul  2 17:12:58 2020
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 16:12:58 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Other Radios
In-Reply-To: <BCB3519B-A089-4E6E-A08A-FBEAE8157A30@cox.net>
References: <823ea6e9-85bb-d04d-d63a-389cb68c1f5c@foothill.net>
	<BCB3519B-A089-4E6E-A08A-FBEAE8157A30@cox.net>
Message-ID: <022001d650b5$8fde9500$af9bbf00$@LNAINC.com>

Shortly after I was first licensed, in 1969, we did a lot of camping and I built an L tuner that would literally match anything.  My favorite was folding aluminum lawn chairs hanging from ... whatever you could find.

Actually the chaise lounge worked even better on 40 and 80.  I was a regular check-in on MidCars with that from campgrounds in the Dakotas and Northern Minnesota.

73
Lyn, W0LEN


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Sheldon
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2020 2:36 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Other Radios

Something else that worked real well with my KX2 at a hotel in Branson, MO a couple years ago (OzarkCon QRP convention) was the hotel?s rain gutter. I ran a short wire out my ground floor room window to a screw holding a bottom section on.  KX2?s tuner clicked a couple times, 1:1 SWR and I was able to work all over the US on 40 and 80 meters in the evenings.  Beat having to try getting a vertical up exposed in the parking lot and probably worked much better anyway.

Jim, W0EB

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 2, 2020, at 2:18 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Can't report on snow, seasoned or otherwise, but never underestimate the usefulness of a barbed wire fence.  I took my K2 to our Cal QSO Party expedition in Alpine County one year and use an old, falling down fence behind our camp connected directly to the BNC antenna connector through a short length of RG-58 and the ATU didn't even run more than a second or so.  Made a number of CW Q's from 8,550 ft.  We also used that fence as the counterpoise for a 160 Inv-L a couple of times.
> 
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
>> On 7/2/2020 6:36 AM, Jan Timmers wrote:
>> Regards;
>> John Timmers
>> 
>> Hehe - lightly salted snow. Nice one
>> 
>> 73.5 de VE7JBT :-)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 6:36 PM Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - the KX2, like the KX3, has a built-in wide range ATU that will match
>>>   anything from barbed wire fences to lightly salted snow.
>>> 
>>> Disclaimer: IMHO. YMMV.
>>> 
>>> 73.5,
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>> 
> 
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From w1rm at comcast.net  Thu Jul  2 17:34:06 2020
From: w1rm at comcast.net (Peter Chamalian)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 17:34:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] CW Mush
Message-ID: <008101d650b8$84119e40$8c34dac0$@comcast.net>

My K3S is turning CW into mush.  Huge pile ups as K2D are really hard to
deal with.  Any suggestions other than get a K4 which I have on order?

 

 

Pete, W1RM

W1RM at Comcast.net

 


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Jul  2 17:40:01 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 17:40:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] CW Mush
In-Reply-To: <008101d650b8$84119e40$8c34dac0$@comcast.net>
References: <008101d650b8$84119e40$8c34dac0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <bdd3dae0-a8b7-686b-35e3-7e4205a04e46@embarqmail.com>

Pete,

Go to my website www.w3fpr.com and look at the "Noisy K3" article.  It 
will help you adjust your AGC settings to help combat the mush.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/2/2020 5:34 PM, Peter Chamalian wrote:
> My K3S is turning CW into mush.  Huge pile ups as K2D are really hard to
> deal with.  Any suggestions other than get a K4 which I have on order?

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Jul  2 17:40:28 2020
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 17:40:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] CW Mush
In-Reply-To: <008101d650b8$84119e40$8c34dac0$@comcast.net>
References: <008101d650b8$84119e40$8c34dac0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <900FE382-52C7-46C8-9E16-66B3483D5B3A@widomaker.com>

You might turn AGC OFF or experiment with AGC settings. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 2, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Peter Chamalian <w1rm at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?My K3S is turning CW into mush.  Huge pile ups as K2D are really hard to
> deal with.  Any suggestions other than get a K4 which I have on order?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Pete, W1RM
> 
> W1RM at Comcast.net
> 
> 
> 
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From ab7echo at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 18:10:18 2020
From: ab7echo at gmail.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 15:10:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Other Radios
In-Reply-To: <022001d650b5$8fde9500$af9bbf00$@LNAINC.com>
References: <823ea6e9-85bb-d04d-d63a-389cb68c1f5c@foothill.net>
	<BCB3519B-A089-4E6E-A08A-FBEAE8157A30@cox.net>
	<022001d650b5$8fde9500$af9bbf00$@LNAINC.com>
Message-ID: <1babaf9f-427d-5a86-0851-9a8cc2e1de7f@gmail.com>


How long was your coax?? Chances are that the feedline was doing most of 
the radiating, especially on 40m/80m.

73,
Dave?? AB7E



On 7/2/2020 2:12 PM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
> Shortly after I was first licensed, in 1969, we did a lot of camping and I built an L tuner that would literally match anything.  My favorite was folding aluminum lawn chairs hanging from ... whatever you could find.
>
> Actually the chaise lounge worked even better on 40 and 80.  I was a regular check-in on MidCars with that from campgrounds in the Dakotas and Northern Minnesota.
>
> 73
> Lyn, W0LEN
>


From ab7echo at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 18:18:20 2020
From: ab7echo at gmail.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 15:18:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] CW Mush
In-Reply-To: <008101d650b8$84119e40$8c34dac0$@comcast.net>
References: <008101d650b8$84119e40$8c34dac0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <b2d5dacd-3824-2c5c-f412-07f418a2f292@gmail.com>



What are your AGC settings?? I have a K3 with the new synths and I use 
almost the least AGC possible ... THR = 12 and SLP = 000.

AGC creates non-linearity, the non-linearity is most pronounced at the 
signal level where it kicks in, and non-linearity creates mixing.? Do 
the math for the sum and difference frequencies when you have multiple 
signals very close to each other within the receive passband.

73,
Dave? AB7E


On 7/2/2020 2:34 PM, Peter Chamalian wrote:
> My K3S is turning CW into mush.  Huge pile ups as K2D are really hard to
> deal with.  Any suggestions other than get a K4 which I have on order?
>
>   
>
>   
>
> Pete, W1RM
>
> W1RM at Comcast.net
>
>   
>
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From tknorris0001 at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 18:44:45 2020
From: tknorris0001 at gmail.com (Tom NB5Q)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 16:44:45 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] CW Mush
In-Reply-To: <b2d5dacd-3824-2c5c-f412-07f418a2f292@gmail.com>
References: <008101d650b8$84119e40$8c34dac0$@comcast.net>
	<b2d5dacd-3824-2c5c-f412-07f418a2f292@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMi8m31TTPvM304dSt9KAm-LtNNhZWLF-2Hgaz0ePkLDqyNcmQ@mail.gmail.com>

Excuse my ignorance Don, does your K3 AGC, etc. article also apply to a
K3S? I assume it does, maybe receiver advice & tips I've  missed along the
way?
Thanks,
Tom NB5Q

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 4:20 PM David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> What are your AGC settings?  I have a K3 with the new synths and I use
> almost the least AGC possible ... THR = 12 and SLP = 000.
>
> AGC creates non-linearity, the non-linearity is most pronounced at the
> signal level where it kicks in, and non-linearity creates mixing.  Do
> the math for the sum and difference frequencies when you have multiple
> signals very close to each other within the receive passband.
>
> 73,
> Dave  AB7E
>
>
> On 7/2/2020 2:34 PM, Peter Chamalian wrote:
> > My K3S is turning CW into mush.  Huge pile ups as K2D are really hard to
> > deal with.  Any suggestions other than get a K4 which I have on order?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Pete, W1RM
> >
> > W1RM at Comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
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From k9yeq at live.com  Thu Jul  2 18:46:45 2020
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 22:46:45 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Early Production K1's
In-Reply-To: <AFD255C5-742F-4956-93E1-2C5FA26D4464@charter.net>
References: <0c4eadde-5862-1a08-8320-6476fe063448@optonline.net>
	<AFD255C5-742F-4956-93E1-2C5FA26D4464@charter.net>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB6870426159A42685FA17158F9C6D0@CH2PR02MB6870.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

That's a neat radio.  I owned one for a short while and then fell for the KX1 and on and on.   I couldn't get Wayne and Eric into me being an FT for the K4, but then I rarely do digital and occasional CW.  I love QRP and QRO SSB.  

72 & 73,
Bill
K9YEQ
FT?er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc. 

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Macy monkeys
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 12:09 AM
To: Tony <dxdx at optonline.net>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Early Production K1's

I have K1?s 78 and 52, built a long, long time ago. Still percolating perfectly. Never had any problems. Used no. 78 in Field Day without nary a hiccup.

John K7FD

> On Jul 1, 2020, at 9:50 PM, Tony <dxdx at optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> All:
> 
> I may have found the K1 I've been looking for. It's serial number is in the 550 range and I'd like to know if there's any issues with these early production runs before I make a purchase.
> 
> I'm told the K1 is a solid design with quality components so I suspect longevity isn't a problem. I understand parts are available so that doesn't appear to be an issue either.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tony
> 
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From softblue at windstream.net  Thu Jul  2 18:58:50 2020
From: softblue at windstream.net (Dick Dickinson)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 18:58:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] CW Mush
Message-ID: <000001d650c4$5a591d10$0f0b5730$@windstream.net>

My K3S is turning CW into mush.  Huge pile ups as K2D are really hard to

deal with.  Any suggestions other than get a K4 which I have on order?

 

 

Pete, W1RM

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--

 

Suggestion - Look into other facets of amateur radio where 'content' is
emphasized more than 'contact.'

 

 

As ever,

Dick - KA5KKT

 

 


From tknorris0001 at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 19:09:21 2020
From: tknorris0001 at gmail.com (Tom NB5Q)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 17:09:21 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] CW Mush
In-Reply-To: <CAMi8m31TTPvM304dSt9KAm-LtNNhZWLF-2Hgaz0ePkLDqyNcmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <008101d650b8$84119e40$8c34dac0$@comcast.net>
	<b2d5dacd-3824-2c5c-f412-07f418a2f292@gmail.com>
	<CAMi8m31TTPvM304dSt9KAm-LtNNhZWLF-2Hgaz0ePkLDqyNcmQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMi8m32fEtXre-bei5PpaxMUw4P1=ctf8v+NAmAPp=BxAYpJaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Boy, if I had thoroughly read the original post I would have seen you were
answering a question regarding a K3S! Humbling, and a reminder to slow down
and read the posts! I just wish I had a K4 coming ;-)
Tom NB5Q

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 4:44 PM Tom NB5Q <tknorris0001 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Excuse my ignorance Don, does your K3 AGC, etc. article also apply to a
> K3S? I assume it does, maybe receiver advice & tips I've  missed along the
> way?
> Thanks,
> Tom NB5Q
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 4:20 PM David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> What are your AGC settings?  I have a K3 with the new synths and I use
>> almost the least AGC possible ... THR = 12 and SLP = 000.
>>
>> AGC creates non-linearity, the non-linearity is most pronounced at the
>> signal level where it kicks in, and non-linearity creates mixing.  Do
>> the math for the sum and difference frequencies when you have multiple
>> signals very close to each other within the receive passband.
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave  AB7E
>>
>>
>> On 7/2/2020 2:34 PM, Peter Chamalian wrote:
>> > My K3S is turning CW into mush.  Huge pile ups as K2D are really hard to
>> > deal with.  Any suggestions other than get a K4 which I have on order?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Pete, W1RM
>> >
>> > W1RM at Comcast.net
>> >
>> >
>> >
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Thu Jul  2 20:09:23 2020
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 17:09:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] CW Mush
In-Reply-To: <b2d5dacd-3824-2c5c-f412-07f418a2f292@gmail.com>
References: <008101d650b8$84119e40$8c34dac0$@comcast.net>
	<b2d5dacd-3824-2c5c-f412-07f418a2f292@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a691878f-43a4-ea42-8472-a6e4192a284a@triconet.org>

Please explain to me where this non-linearity is generated. If 1 volt of RF 
(really I-F) gain reduction causes 10 dB of gain reduction, prey tell what 
difference does it make if the 1 volt is generated by an AGC circuit or a manual 
control?? Either way, *all* signals are reduced 10 dB. What's non-linear about that?

Wes? N7WS

On 7/2/2020 3:18 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
>
>
> What are your AGC settings?? I have a K3 with the new synths and I use almost 
> the least AGC possible ... THR = 12 and SLP = 000.
>
> AGC creates non-linearity, the non-linearity is most pronounced at the signal 
> level where it kicks in, and non-linearity creates mixing.? Do the math for 
> the sum and difference frequencies when you have multiple signals very close 
> to each other within the receive passband.
>
> 73,
> Dave? AB7E


From w3tb.ted at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 20:20:18 2020
From: w3tb.ted at gmail.com (Ted Edwards W3TB)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 19:20:18 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] CW Mush
In-Reply-To: <a691878f-43a4-ea42-8472-a6e4192a284a@triconet.org>
References: <008101d650b8$84119e40$8c34dac0$@comcast.net>
	<b2d5dacd-3824-2c5c-f412-07f418a2f292@gmail.com>
	<a691878f-43a4-ea42-8472-a6e4192a284a@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <CAGhFmThqwCjA3sg5yb0QJT8mnjUje3+HWBTh87OddBbSYfWtWA@mail.gmail.com>

This is VERY interesting.
I have never even thought much about AGC in my 8-year old K3, so I did that
just now.
I changed the THR to 12 and the SLP tp 003.  Will watch for the difference.
I am really a CW operator here.

Thanks for the good wisdom!

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 7:10 PM Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:

> Please explain to me where this non-linearity is generated. If 1 volt of
> RF
> (really I-F) gain reduction causes 10 dB of gain reduction, prey tell what
> difference does it make if the 1 volt is generated by an AGC circuit or a
> manual
> control?  Either way, *all* signals are reduced 10 dB. What's non-linear
> about that?
>
> Wes  N7WS
>
> On 7/2/2020 3:18 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
> >
> >
> > What are your AGC settings?  I have a K3 with the new synths and I use
> almost
> > the least AGC possible ... THR = 12 and SLP = 000.
> >
> > AGC creates non-linearity, the non-linearity is most pronounced at the
> signal
> > level where it kicks in, and non-linearity creates mixing.  Do the math
> for
> > the sum and difference frequencies when you have multiple signals very
> close
> > to each other within the receive passband.
> >
> > 73,
> > Dave  AB7E
>
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-- 
73 de Ted Edwards, W3TB and G?PWW

and thinking about operating CW:
"Do today what others won't,
so you can do tomorrow what others can't."

From vk4ky at woodtech.net.au  Thu Jul  2 20:21:46 2020
From: vk4ky at woodtech.net.au (Andy Wood)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 17:21:46 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] W2 SWR Alarm Function - How to set?
Message-ID: <1593735706660-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi,

I have a W2 that has not been used in some time. I tried it today and all
functions seem to work ok except I cannot set the SWR alarm trip point.

According to the manual sending a "]" increases the trip point and a "["
lowers it. If I send "]" I get back "]00;". Same response if I send "[".

Hoping it is something simple that I have overlooked.

Andy  VK4KY



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From alorona at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jul  2 20:28:07 2020
From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 00:28:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Failed Day
References: <137995580.1482038.1593736087978.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <137995580.1482038.1593736087978@mail.yahoo.com>

Not many FD reports on the reflector this year; Covid obviously took its toll, so I'll offer this (sad) report.
NR6TT's Field Day was a Failed Day this year. Wanna know what it's like to break your slingshot on the very first attempt to use it? Good thing my 14-year-old was there to throw a few fastballs 20 feet up into the trees.
And then this: Isn't FlexWeave wire supposed to be the Next Big Thing? As soon as I started to tension one end of the doublet, it broke. Man, it twanged! And not at a soldered joint or wrapped point... but right in the middle of the span! I was incredulous.
Luckily, I brought a butane soldering iron, which barely worked at the 3000 foot elevation near Lassen Peak. Somehow I managed to repair the break, and spent more time in 100 degree heat putting up the antenna again, then thinking I could outsmart Murphy (!) I tried tensioning the *other* end of the antenna. And it snapped again-- in a different spot!!
Yes, this was the 3rd Field Day I put up the same antenna, but what the heck? Is Flexweave that easily snapped? I'm not impressed.
Well, as you know, when your antenna breaks, your Field Day is pretty much ended. I guess we could have used a piece of the broken Flexweave as a random wire, but my heart wasn't into it, for a number of reasons. (We had planned on operating on 40 meters only.) Instead, we went swimming in Hat Creek, had a great salami sandwich dinner and read stories to each other until we fell asleep. So it wasn't a total loss.
Total score: 0.? Time spent with Blaise: Priceless.
Al? W6LX


From n6tv at arrl.net  Thu Jul  2 20:34:07 2020
From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 17:34:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] CW Mush
In-Reply-To: <008101d650b8$84119e40$8c34dac0$@comcast.net>
References: <008101d650b8$84119e40$8c34dac0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAOmNKGLeRSV-P3ib-PP3gJs79Bk41DMuPGxoqZjNwXnK3yvf9w@mail.gmail.com>

See also

http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Receiver-mush-td7627277.html#a7627323

73,
Bob, N6TV

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020, 2:34 PM Peter Chamalian <w1rm at comcast.net> wrote:

> My K3S is turning CW into mush.  Huge pile ups as K2D are really hard to
> deal with.  Any suggestions other than get a K4 which I have on order?
>
>
>
>
>
> Pete, W1RM
>
> W1RM at Comcast.net
>
>
>
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From k9gs at gjschwartz.com  Thu Jul  2 20:39:37 2020
From: k9gs at gjschwartz.com (Gary K9GS)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2020 19:39:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] CW Mush
In-Reply-To: <000001d650c4$5a591d10$0f0b5730$@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.73.1593736788.3112.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>


<snip>Suggestion - Look into other facets of amateur radio where 'content' isemphasized more than 'contact.'<snip> Really? As ever,Dick - KA5KKT  ______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to k9gs at gjschwartz.com 

From k9gs at gjschwartz.com  Thu Jul  2 20:45:25 2020
From: k9gs at gjschwartz.com (Gary K9GS)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2020 19:45:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] CW Mush
In-Reply-To: <20200703003956.37563149B437@mail.qsl.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.74.1593737133.3112.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Should have signed my call.73,Gary K9GS
-------- Original message --------From: Gary K9GS <k9gs at gjschwartz.com> Date: 7/2/20  7:39 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Dick Dickinson <softblue at windstream.net>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW Mush <snip>Suggestion - Look into other facets of amateur radio where 'content' isemphasized more than 'contact.'<snip> Really? As ever,Dick - KA5KKT? ______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to k9gs at gjschwartz.com ______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to k9gs at gjschwartz.com 

From ab7echo at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 20:54:53 2020
From: ab7echo at gmail.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 17:54:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] CW Mush
In-Reply-To: <a691878f-43a4-ea42-8472-a6e4192a284a@triconet.org>
References: <008101d650b8$84119e40$8c34dac0$@comcast.net>
	<b2d5dacd-3824-2c5c-f412-07f418a2f292@gmail.com>
	<a691878f-43a4-ea42-8472-a6e4192a284a@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <ec3e993e-6f4f-65c1-0a51-371f856ac6bc@gmail.com>


Unless I'm misunderstanding something here, the answer to your question 
is pretty basic.? There is a kink in the curve where the AGC kicks in.? 
Signals that traverse that kink see a nonlinearity.

I set the threshhold pretty high, and I set the slope as low as I can in 
order to minimize the amount of that kink.

Dave? AB7E


On 7/2/2020 5:09 PM, Wes wrote:
> Please explain to me where this non-linearity is generated. If 1 volt 
> of RF (really I-F) gain reduction causes 10 dB of gain reduction, prey 
> tell what difference does it make if the 1 volt is generated by an AGC 
> circuit or a manual control?? Either way, *all* signals are reduced 10 
> dB. What's non-linear about that?
>
> Wes? N7WS
>
> On 7/2/2020 3:18 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
>>
>>
>> What are your AGC settings?? I have a K3 with the new synths and I 
>> use almost the least AGC possible ... THR = 12 and SLP = 000.
>>
>> AGC creates non-linearity, the non-linearity is most pronounced at 
>> the signal level where it kicks in, and non-linearity creates 
>> mixing.? Do the math for the sum and difference frequencies when you 
>> have multiple signals very close to each other within the receive 
>> passband.
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave? AB7E
>
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From w1rm at comcast.net  Thu Jul  2 21:10:33 2020
From: w1rm at comcast.net (Peter Chamalian)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 21:10:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] CW Mush
In-Reply-To: <CAOmNKGLeRSV-P3ib-PP3gJs79Bk41DMuPGxoqZjNwXnK3yvf9w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <008101d650b8$84119e40$8c34dac0$@comcast.net>
	<CAOmNKGLeRSV-P3ib-PP3gJs79Bk41DMuPGxoqZjNwXnK3yvf9w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001e01d650d6$ce5e2c70$6b1a8550$@comcast.net>

Thanks Bob.  I set my AGC SLP to 5 and thr to 14 and it helps.  I?ll have to play with your values and see if it?s better.

 

My RF gain is at 3 o?clock.

 

 

Pete, W1RM

W1RM at Comcast.net

 

From: Bob Wilson, N6TV <n6tv at arrl.net> 
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2020 8:34 PM
To: Peter Chamalian <w1rm at comcast.net>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW Mush

 

See also

 

http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Receiver-mush-td7627277.html#a7627323

73,
Bob, N6TV

 

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020, 2:34 PM Peter Chamalian <w1rm at comcast.net <mailto:w1rm at comcast.net> > wrote:

My K3S is turning CW into mush.  Huge pile ups as K2D are really hard to
deal with.  Any suggestions other than get a K4 which I have on order?





Pete, W1RM

W1RM at Comcast.net <mailto:W1RM at Comcast.net> 



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From MJGillen at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  2 22:08:49 2020
From: MJGillen at yahoo.com (Michael Gillen)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 19:08:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 FW upgrade failure - help needed
In-Reply-To: <001e01d650d6$ce5e2c70$6b1a8550$@comcast.net>
References: <008101d650b8$84119e40$8c34dac0$@comcast.net>
	<CAOmNKGLeRSV-P3ib-PP3gJs79Bk41DMuPGxoqZjNwXnK3yvf9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<001e01d650d6$ce5e2c70$6b1a8550$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <16B05294-5986-49E9-B09A-4CF5C1694176@yahoo.com>

Hey guys, accidentally hit the ?Send all firmware to P3? instead of ?Send all NEW firmware to P3? and I keep getting ?Block 657 write failed? for all the ?FPGA? updates. Tried it twice same result. Any thoughts?

P3 seems to work just fine. Added the SVGA board this afternoon. Just want to get this thing to be happy.

73,
Michael
KK6RWK


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Jul  2 22:24:01 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 22:24:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] CW Mush
In-Reply-To: <CAMi8m31TTPvM304dSt9KAm-LtNNhZWLF-2Hgaz0ePkLDqyNcmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <008101d650b8$84119e40$8c34dac0$@comcast.net>
	<b2d5dacd-3824-2c5c-f412-07f418a2f292@gmail.com>
	<CAMi8m31TTPvM304dSt9KAm-LtNNhZWLF-2Hgaz0ePkLDqyNcmQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <da2f66a8-ff28-ba98-4fd0-069c28542c07@embarqmail.com>

Dave,

Yes, it applies to the K3/K3S, KX2 and KX3.
Try it, it works.  I don't know if it will cure the particular CW Mush 
that you are hearing, but it is a good starting point.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/2/2020 6:44 PM, Tom NB5Q wrote:
> Excuse my ignorance Don, does your K3 AGC, etc. article also apply to a
> K3S? I assume it does, maybe receiver advice & tips I've  missed along the
> way?
> Thanks,
> Tom NB5Q
> 
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 4:20 PM David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>
>>
>> What are your AGC settings?  I have a K3 with the new synths and I use
>> almost the least AGC possible ... THR = 12 and SLP = 000.
>>
>> AGC creates non-linearity, the non-linearity is most pronounced at the
>> signal level where it kicks in, and non-linearity creates mixing.  Do
>> the math for the sum and difference frequencies when you have multiple
>> signals very close to each other within the receive passband.
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave  AB7E
>>
>>
>> On 7/2/2020 2:34 PM, Peter Chamalian wrote:
>>> My K3S is turning CW into mush.  Huge pile ups as K2D are really hard to
>>> deal with.  Any suggestions other than get a K4 which I have on order?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pete, W1RM
>>>
>>> W1RM at Comcast.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From k4to.dave at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 22:28:31 2020
From: k4to.dave at gmail.com (Dave Sublette)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 22:28:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] CW Mush
In-Reply-To: <da2f66a8-ff28-ba98-4fd0-069c28542c07@embarqmail.com>
References: <008101d650b8$84119e40$8c34dac0$@comcast.net>
	<b2d5dacd-3824-2c5c-f412-07f418a2f292@gmail.com>
	<CAMi8m31TTPvM304dSt9KAm-LtNNhZWLF-2Hgaz0ePkLDqyNcmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<da2f66a8-ff28-ba98-4fd0-069c28542c07@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKynJKktMjNdvheaT=YNC-39LQ4i75BGQjadeX_=q20RN2zcxQ@mail.gmail.com>

Well I didn't see what band it was on.  If below 20M, the preamp should be
off and maybe attenuator on.  Also the RF gain should be backed off.

Dave, K4TO

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 10:24 PM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Dave,
>
> Yes, it applies to the K3/K3S, KX2 and KX3.
> Try it, it works.  I don't know if it will cure the particular CW Mush
> that you are hearing, but it is a good starting point.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/2/2020 6:44 PM, Tom NB5Q wrote:
> > Excuse my ignorance Don, does your K3 AGC, etc. article also apply to a
> > K3S? I assume it does, maybe receiver advice & tips I've  missed along
> the
> > way?
> > Thanks,
> > Tom NB5Q
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 4:20 PM David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> What are your AGC settings?  I have a K3 with the new synths and I use
> >> almost the least AGC possible ... THR = 12 and SLP = 000.
> >>
> >> AGC creates non-linearity, the non-linearity is most pronounced at the
> >> signal level where it kicks in, and non-linearity creates mixing.  Do
> >> the math for the sum and difference frequencies when you have multiple
> >> signals very close to each other within the receive passband.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Dave  AB7E
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/2/2020 2:34 PM, Peter Chamalian wrote:
> >>> My K3S is turning CW into mush.  Huge pile ups as K2D are really hard
> to
> >>> deal with.  Any suggestions other than get a K4 which I have on order?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Pete, W1RM
> >>>
> >>> W1RM at Comcast.net
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ______________________________________________________________
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Jul  2 22:29:54 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 22:29:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] CW Mush
In-Reply-To: <a691878f-43a4-ea42-8472-a6e4192a284a@triconet.org>
References: <008101d650b8$84119e40$8c34dac0$@comcast.net>
	<b2d5dacd-3824-2c5c-f412-07f418a2f292@gmail.com>
	<a691878f-43a4-ea42-8472-a6e4192a284a@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <7dd290c7-dbff-3ac1-47d9-85b473dc200b@embarqmail.com>

Wes,

All I know is that increasing the AGC threshold and setting the slope to 
something other than the default will help.  I don't know where the 
non-linerity is happening, and I suspect something more is going on than 
just non-linearity.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/2/2020 8:09 PM, Wes wrote:
> Please explain to me where this non-linearity is generated. If 1 volt of 
> RF (really I-F) gain reduction causes 10 dB of gain reduction, prey tell 
> what difference does it make if the 1 volt is generated by an AGC 
> circuit or a manual control?? Either way, *all* signals are reduced 10 
> dB. What's non-linear about that?
> 

From gwwa5uih at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  2 23:11:08 2020
From: gwwa5uih at hotmail.com (George Winship, NC5G)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 20:11:08 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] CW Mush
In-Reply-To: <008101d650b8$84119e40$8c34dac0$@comcast.net>
References: <008101d650b8$84119e40$8c34dac0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1593745868190-0.post@n2.nabble.com>


<My K3S is turning CW into mush. > 

Is your NB on? If it is, turn it off and see if it helps.

73, George




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From rocketnj at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 23:30:37 2020
From: rocketnj at gmail.com (rocketnj at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 23:30:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Pure Signal Output
In-Reply-To: <4f1252800cf52925d8420f04838d7837@k5ua.com>
References: <4f1252800cf52925d8420f04838d7837@k5ua.com>
Message-ID: <002c01d650ea$523ae890$f6b0b9b0$@gmail.com>

Yes, depending on serial number of your amp it will output the correct level without any additional attenuation. New amps have the mod already done. I modified my amp s/n 423 by changing two surface mount chip resistors on the filter board in the amp. Not for the faint of heart. One of the chip resistors is the size of "16" in the date 2016 on a penny. TINY!!! 

On older non-modified amps Pure Signal will only work at higher power since the level out the sample port is too low. It will work in the 1000 to 1500 watt range but not down to 20 watts like it does after the mod. Current production amps have this mod done along with several other mods that were incorporated after my amp was purchased.

I HIGHLY recommend this mod be done by Elecraft unless you absolutely have the experience and equipment to do surface mount rework properly. Last thing you want is a $6000 paper weight
I do not know when this mod was put into production amps.

My Pure Signal has performed from 20 to 1500 watts output withy an Anan 7000dle (blue face) without any attenuation added. I have since sold the Anan but keeping the KPA1500 as it works VERY well. Solid and dependable after several mods were done to bring it up to current production standards.

If you think I am kidding about the size of the chip resistor I can send a picture to anyone interested. I did take a picture next to a 2016 penny for reference ?



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To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Pure Signal Output

Does anyone know if the RF coupler output in the KPA-1500 is functional yet? 

Charles  K5UA
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Fri Jul  3 00:02:01 2020
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 21:02:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Pure Signal Output
In-Reply-To: <002c01d650ea$523ae890$f6b0b9b0$@gmail.com>
References: <4f1252800cf52925d8420f04838d7837@k5ua.com>
	<002c01d650ea$523ae890$f6b0b9b0$@gmail.com>
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> On Jul 2, 2020, at 8:30 PM, rocketnj at gmail.com wrote:

> If you think I am kidding about the size of the chip resistor I can send a picture to anyone interested. I did take a picture next to a 2016 penny for reference ?


You think that's small...in your cell phone you'll find parts 1/10th that size. As a size reference, I suggest an Indian half vellichakram.

Wayne
N6KR



From rocketnj at gmail.com  Fri Jul  3 00:04:37 2020
From: rocketnj at gmail.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 00:04:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Pure Signal Output
In-Reply-To: <81156B4F-C9DD-41E0-881E-D42A7FE86C2B@elecraft.com>
References: <81156B4F-C9DD-41E0-881E-D42A7FE86C2B@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <7CCC08CF-2849-4880-8C49-9F41A289DF0A@gmail.com>

LoL.  I show people the size of R8 I believe it is next to a penny and they are ?how did you replace that??

The answer is ?carefully...?

Thanks for a great amp Wayne!

Dave wo2x

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 3, 2020, at 12:02 AM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
>>> On Jul 2, 2020, at 8:30 PM, rocketnj at gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> If you think I am kidding about the size of the chip resistor I can send a picture to anyone interested. I did take a picture next to a 2016 penny for reference ?
> 
> 
> You think that's small...in your cell phone you'll find parts 1/10th that size. As a size reference, I suggest an Indian half vellichakram.
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 

From sp2bpd at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  3 02:49:06 2020
From: sp2bpd at yahoo.com (P H)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 06:49:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] WTB K2 Rework Eliminator kit
References: <2079120906.1949068.1593758946457.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2079120906.1949068.1593758946457@mail.yahoo.com>

I'm looking for?K2 Rework Eliminator kit.?
Regards
Piotr, SP2BPD

From vk1zzgary at gmail.com  Fri Jul  3 02:55:40 2020
From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 16:55:40 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Tuner
Message-ID: <CA+MFBaHDpPsVUq63-a=CmbidAEJOg+7iYZx8qD6eCJYiZMGnVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Wayne,

You missed the "also tunes the famous Rabbit Proof  Fence" which we have
down under...2,023 miles"...:-)

Ask me how I know

Gary
K3NHL VK1ZZ

From g0ruz at g0ruz.com  Fri Jul  3 03:21:48 2020
From: g0ruz at g0ruz.com (Conrad PA5Y)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 07:21:48 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s noise figure spec
In-Reply-To: <003e01d64fbc$0d4c2bb0$27e48310$@erols.com>
References: <CAKynJKn=JiMQVDp7WzDrQL70-M3TT=bDDxahkJE6nyvouDTR+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACYeN9zxrsy1W4TGXyab++jz-OPgB7VhfTk1cMZ8sGc+Bo0RVg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<003e01d64fbc$0d4c2bb0$27e48310$@erols.com>
Message-ID: <AM7P189MB101031E2639CE43ED74C34CBB56A0@AM7P189MB1010.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hello Charlie.

I think if you live in an area where there is high populations of amateurs such as FN20 or NW Europe it does help enormously if you can hear the DX early in the opening before the pileup really gets going. However for most urban or semi urban operators 6m is a noisy band. You only need enough gain to raise your noise floor by 10-15dB when a resonant antenna is connected. Any more than that and you have too much gain and you will be hit very hard by the HUGE signals that are around during a typical 6m opening.

This is especially important now that we are all on 50.313/50.323.

I must admit that I use an external preamp with my K3S so that I can use a band pass filter and a 2 way splitter (SDR for 50.323). I have 25dB gain and a 0.5dB NF LNA, the whole chain is- 0.5dB for the coax cable,- 1dB for the band pass filter, - 3dB for the splitter and a 6dB attenuator which I take out when  on EME. My system noise figure is 2.9 dB for terrestrial and 1.6dB for EME. This is probably better than needed. The background noise on 6m dominates sensitivity. More gain than you need is counterproductive.

73

Conrad PA5Y

________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Charlie T <pincon at erols.com>
Sent: 01 July 2020 17:26
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s noise figure spec

I can't speak for E.M.E operations, but from over 60 years of experience on
6M, I can tell you that super sensitive receiver performance is NOT a
pre-requisite to working LOTS of DX of 50 MHz.
When the band is open, either via E or F2 propagation, signals are usually
very "loud".

The only "weak" signals are those at the initial start and end of the
opening.

I remember working a station in Alaska from here in Virginia on SSB, who was
running 10 watts to a balcony mounted Saturn-6 halo, barely 10 feet off the
ground !
He was +10 dB over S nine for over an hour.

SO, don't fret over whether your noise figure is 0.5 dB or 2.5 dB, any
decent modern radio will hear just fine.

73, Charlie k3ICH


>160 countries confirmed on 6M on SSB & CW ONLY, no PSK-31, FT-8' etc.



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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Fri Jul  3 03:56:22 2020
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 10:56:22 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Failed Day
In-Reply-To: <137995580.1482038.1593736087978@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <137995580.1482038.1593736087978.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<137995580.1482038.1593736087978@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <75fa6b59-b5fc-a07f-4ee2-bd8feb4b07fc@gmail.com>

I found this out the hard way at a FD site in the Sierras. Mine did not 
work AT ALL. Something to keep in mind for operations at high elevations.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
.
On 03/07/2020 3:28, Al Lorona wrote:
> Luckily, I brought a butane soldering iron, which barely worked at the 3000 foot elevation near Lassen Peak.

From d.cutter at ntlworld.com  Fri Jul  3 07:06:28 2020
From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (CUTTER DAVID)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 12:06:28 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Difference in dummy loads
In-Reply-To: <202007021716.062HGUQI011858@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
References: <202007021716.062HGUQI011858@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <667204091.3594.1593774388937@mail2.virginmedia.com>

Buyer beware.  
I bought a superb, almost new, almost unused Bird 8141, in its original box and it failed after a short while.  Taking it apart it was obvious that it had been well and truly cooked.  It must have been hammered.  The main connection had corroded and separated from the element.  I have photos.  The solution was exceedingly cheap and easy: separate the parts from the body, wash with IPA etc, sit contact parts in tomato ketchup for a couple of hours, clean up and re-assemble.  

David G3UNA/G6CP

> On 02 July 2020 at 18:16 Edward R Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> I bought an air-cooled Bird 8201 rated 500w to 3-GHz from e-bay for 
> $300.  It can handle 1500w for short transmissions.
> 
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>    http://www.kl7uw.com
> Dubus-NA Business mail:
>    dubususa at gmail.com 
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From w2up at comcast.net  Fri Jul  3 08:02:22 2020
From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 05:02:22 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] CW Mush
In-Reply-To: <1593745868190-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <008101d650b8$84119e40$8c34dac0$@comcast.net>
	<1593745868190-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1593777742763-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Try some ATT.

Barry W2UP



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From w0agmike at gmail.com  Fri Jul  3 08:52:03 2020
From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 07:52:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FS - K3 with subRx
Message-ID: <CAP7zeE+We6EnaWqSmcabYTYJaD9t9m6OTWoC97cfvCixM5=0zA@mail.gmail.com>

Working on downsizing and selling my K3.  $1,650 plus shipping.  Prefer
pickup but could meet within 100 miles.

K3/100-F    1     K3 100W Xcvr. (Factory assembled) Serial #3746
KAT3-F       1     K3 ATU
KXV3A        1     K3 RX Ant, IF Out & Xvrtr Int
KRX3          1     K3 2nd RX
KFL3A-400  1     K3 400 Hz, 8 pole filter  (Main RX)
KFL3A-2.8K  2    K3 2.8 kHz, 8 pole filter (Main/Sub RX)
"Y-Box" by N6TV  15 pin parallel DE15 splitter and breakout box

73,
Mike - W0AG

From rwnewbould at comcast.net  Fri Jul  3 09:07:45 2020
From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 09:07:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Slightly K3s and Studio Mixer
Message-ID: <f86bfa00-c02c-fc9e-4062-e159196f4eb4@comcast.net>

I am interested in using a studio mixer so I can use a single mic with 
two K3s.

The mixer output impedance is 150ohms and the K3 mic input is looking 
for 600ohms.

I have seen several articles using studio mixers with two radios but 
none mention using an audio transformer to correct the miss match.

Should I not be concerned about the difference in impedance?

Do anyone have a recommendation on a device to match the the impedances?

Thanks

Rich


From w4ram at outlook.com  Fri Jul  3 09:15:20 2020
From: w4ram at outlook.com (W4RAM)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 06:15:20 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2/100 turn on issue
Message-ID: <1593782120011-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Good morning,

Looking for your advice:

When I connect the power cable to the KPA100 and also, power the radio
through the DC barrel jack, K2 does not turn on; if I remove the KPA100
power cable, the radio turn on as normal (then show "No PA PS").
I am using a Diamond GSV3000.

Thank you for any assistance.

Al
W4RAM



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From starman10 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  3 09:25:41 2020
From: starman10 at hotmail.com (Lou W0FK)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 06:25:41 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for 2 2.8 filters
In-Reply-To: <1593116877681-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1593116611299-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1593116877681-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1593782741264-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Still in the hunt. Anyone?

73, Lou W0FK



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From w4ram at outlook.com  Fri Jul  3 09:41:14 2020
From: w4ram at outlook.com (W4RAM)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 06:41:14 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2/100 turn on issue
In-Reply-To: <1593782120011-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1593782120011-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1593783674035-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

*PLEASE DISREGARD MY MESSAGE!!!
*
My apologies,

73!

Al
W4RAM



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From ny9h at arrl.net  Fri Jul  3 10:38:28 2020
From: ny9h at arrl.net (Bill Steffey NY9H)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 10:38:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Slightly K3s and Studio Mixer
In-Reply-To: <f86bfa00-c02c-fc9e-4062-e159196f4eb4@comcast.net>
References: <f86bfa00-c02c-fc9e-4062-e159196f4eb4@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <b431c586-9e33-8d02-beea-1795b890f034@arrl.net>

check out used RDL? ( radio design labs)? products in the 'bay"... build 
out exactly what you want ..


RDL-Radio-Design-Labs-STM-2-Adj-Gain-Microphone-Preamplifier-35-65-dB-Gain....


a whole range of appropriate products,,


On 7/3/2020 9:07 AM, Rich wrote:
> I am interested in using a studio mixer so I can use a single mic with 
> two K3s.
>
> The mixer output impedance is 150ohms and the K3 mic input is looking 
> for 600ohms.
>
> I have seen several articles using studio mixers with two radios but 
> none mention using an audio transformer to correct the miss match.
>
> Should I not be concerned about the difference in impedance?
>
> Do anyone have a recommendation on a device to match the the impedances?
>
> Thanks
>
> Rich
>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Jul  3 11:05:01 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 11:05:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Slightly K3s and Studio Mixer
In-Reply-To: <f86bfa00-c02c-fc9e-4062-e159196f4eb4@comcast.net>
References: <f86bfa00-c02c-fc9e-4062-e159196f4eb4@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <0dfd25de-046f-7b54-3494-12e12c4555fb@embarqmail.com>

Rich,

Don't worry about any mismatch and all will be fine.
The audio world has not matched impedances since the old days of tubes.
Typically a low impedance source is used to drive a high impedance op 
amp input.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/3/2020 9:07 AM, Rich wrote:
> I am interested in using a studio mixer so I can use a single mic with 
> two K3s.
> 
> The mixer output impedance is 150ohms and the K3 mic input is looking 
> for 600ohms.
> 
> I have seen several articles using studio mixers with two radios but 
> none mention using an audio transformer to correct the miss match.
> 
> Should I not be concerned about the difference in impedance?
> 
> Do anyone have a recommendation on a device to match the the impedances?

From ws6x.ars at gmail.com  Fri Jul  3 11:45:25 2020
From: ws6x.ars at gmail.com (ws6x.ars at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 11:45:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] QRPWorks K-Board For Sale
Message-ID: <003c01d65150$f9d09bc0$ed71d340$@gmail.com>

Thought I'd try here before "going public" to the ham classifieds. I have
for sale an essentially unused smart keyboard interface for a K3/K3s:

 

QRP Works - K-Board K3/K3S Package 2. See the particulars here:

 

https://www.qrpworks.com/k-board-store.html

 

This is a very slick package, and works flawlessly! Reason for selling?
Laziness! I simply never got it fully integrated into my two - K3 station.
Now I'm facing a downsizing move, so need to part company.

This package is currently selling for $199. In addition, my offer also
includes a matching wireless mouse with USB dongle. (Photo available for
serious inquiries.)

My asking price = $150 plus shipping.

 

Please contact me off list. IMPORTANT: Send me an email with your phone
number, and a good time for me to call! I will call you accordingly. See my
email address in QRZ. Thanks for looking.

73,

Jim - WS6X

 

 


From lists at subich.com  Fri Jul  3 12:54:08 2020
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 12:54:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Slightly K3s and Studio Mixer
In-Reply-To: <f86bfa00-c02c-fc9e-4062-e159196f4eb4@comcast.net>
References: <f86bfa00-c02c-fc9e-4062-e159196f4eb4@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <81e9e15f-1e65-4267-acbb-aaa6875b89e1@subich.com>


 > Should I not be concerned about the difference in impedance?

No.  Modern audio system design calls for outputs to have very
low impedance (essentially a current source) with inputs having
relatively high impedance (high sensitivity).  You will be fine
with the 150 Ohm source driving a 600 Ohm load.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2020-07-03 9:07 AM, Rich wrote:
> I am interested in using a studio mixer so I can use a single mic with 
> two K3s.
> 
> The mixer output impedance is 150ohms and the K3 mic input is looking 
> for 600ohms.
> 
> I have seen several articles using studio mixers with two radios but 
> none mention using an audio transformer to correct the miss match.
> 
> Should I not be concerned about the difference in impedance?
> 
> Do anyone have a recommendation on a device to match the the impedances?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Rich
> 


From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Fri Jul  3 13:49:58 2020
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 10:49:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Slightly K3s and Studio Mixer
In-Reply-To: <81e9e15f-1e65-4267-acbb-aaa6875b89e1@subich.com>
References: <f86bfa00-c02c-fc9e-4062-e159196f4eb4@comcast.net>
	<81e9e15f-1e65-4267-acbb-aaa6875b89e1@subich.com>
Message-ID: <67779047-e45a-2c62-16b3-ace1fbc8e2d9@triconet.org>

Low Z = voltage source.

On 7/3/2020 9:54 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
> > Should I not be concerned about the difference in impedance?
>
> No.? Modern audio system design calls for outputs to have very
> low impedance (essentially a current source) with inputs having
> relatively high impedance (high sensitivity).? You will be fine
> with the 150 Ohm source driving a 600 Ohm load.
>
> 73,
>
> ?? ... Joe, W4TV


From ws6x.ars at gmail.com  Fri Jul  3 14:02:32 2020
From: ws6x.ars at gmail.com (ws6x.ars at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 14:02:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] QRPWorks K-Board For Sale
Message-ID: <007501d65164$20bc5040$6234f0c0$@gmail.com>

The K-Board is sold.
Thanks,
Jim - WS6X


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Jul  3 14:59:14 2020
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 11:59:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Slightly K3s and Studio Mixer
In-Reply-To: <f86bfa00-c02c-fc9e-4062-e159196f4eb4@comcast.net>
References: <f86bfa00-c02c-fc9e-4062-e159196f4eb4@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <53427357-ff7c-94d7-e2ed-b9e7223a38e0@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/3/2020 6:07 AM, Rich wrote:
> Should I not be concerned about the difference in impedance?

You should NOT be concerned. You SHOULD be concerned about Pin One 
Problems, which make the mixers prone to RFI. Mackie and Rane built 
after about 1998 should be free of this mfg defect.

73, Jim K9YC


From vfo77 at inkbox.net  Fri Jul  3 17:50:07 2020
From: vfo77 at inkbox.net (Frank O'Donnell)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 14:50:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Frequency offset with K144XV?
Message-ID: <570ea2b9-724a-06b4-f821-799d564d8b8f@inkbox.net>

Today I installed a new K144XV 2-meter module and K144RFLK reference 
lock board in my K3S.

While trying various experiments to put it through some paces, I set the 
radio up with WSJT-X and configured it to listen for FT8 on 144.174 MHz, 
after I manually added that frequency to WSJT-X's menu. I notice that 
when I use the band pulldown on the WSJT-X top page to select 2m, it 
briefly displays 144.174 000 as the frequency, but then quickly changes 
to 144.173 998. The frequency on the K3S's display, however, still 
appears as 144.174.000. I tried this a couple of times in a row, with 
the same result. (Not an elbow-jog in this case.)

I assume this has to do with frequency offsets. Although the written 
label on the K144XV case indicates that tests at Elecraft showed an 
offset of +3.83 (Hz, I assume) for the 144 MHz subband and +1.95 (Hz) 
for the 146 Mhz subband, based on the instructions for the K144RFLK 
board I ignored those written values. Instead, I went to Config:XVn OFS, 
hit 0 and noted that a REFLOCK value of -2.34 (Hz, I again assume) 
appears on the K3S display. This, I gather, is derived from the radio's 
master K3REF oscillator.

So, two questions. First, does it seem likely to others (as it does to 
me) that the 2-Hz difference showing up in WSJT-X is caused by this 
-2.34 (Hz) offset?

Second, is there a way to resolve this so that the frequencies shown in 
WSJT-X and on the K3S agree?

Thanks and 73,

Frank K6FOD


From rwnewbould at comcast.net  Fri Jul  3 20:58:42 2020
From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 20:58:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Line Jack Question
Message-ID: <2fcf2d0c-5ab2-bce3-a62f-f3f7187ec50a@comcast.net>

Is it OK to use a 1/8 stereo male on the LINE IN female jack? Fred's 
book shows the RING is floating so I guess having a TRS male would not 
matter.

True?

Thanks

Rich

K3RWN


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Jul  3 21:11:17 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 21:11:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Line Jack Question
In-Reply-To: <2fcf2d0c-5ab2-bce3-a62f-f3f7187ec50a@comcast.net>
References: <2fcf2d0c-5ab2-bce3-a62f-f3f7187ec50a@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <f295cc28-7a14-c9de-a193-0aaaf36b8f16@embarqmail.com>

Rch,

While a mono plug would work fine, A TRS (stereo) plug will do no harm.
The ring contact on the jack is not connected.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/3/2020 8:58 PM, Rich wrote:
> Is it OK to use a 1/8 stereo male on the LINE IN female jack? Fred's 
> book shows the RING is floating so I guess having a TRS male would not 
> matter.
> 

From rwnewbould at comcast.net  Fri Jul  3 21:20:25 2020
From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 21:20:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Line Jack Question
In-Reply-To: <f295cc28-7a14-c9de-a193-0aaaf36b8f16@embarqmail.com>
References: <2fcf2d0c-5ab2-bce3-a62f-f3f7187ec50a@comcast.net>
	<f295cc28-7a14-c9de-a193-0aaaf36b8f16@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <8606721a-4721-8518-c4c3-b876f540df1e@comcast.net>

Thank you.? That is what I thought, but hearing from the Experts gives a 
sense of security

Happy 4th

Rich

On 7/3/2020 21:11 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Rch,
>
> While a mono plug would work fine, A TRS (stereo) plug will do no harm.
> The ring contact on the jack is not connected.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/3/2020 8:58 PM, Rich wrote:
>> Is it OK to use a 1/8 stereo male on the LINE IN female jack? Fred's 
>> book shows the RING is floating so I guess having a TRS male would 
>> not matter.
>>

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Fri Jul  3 23:22:51 2020
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 23:22:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Line Jack Question
In-Reply-To: <2fcf2d0c-5ab2-bce3-a62f-f3f7187ec50a@comcast.net>
References: <2fcf2d0c-5ab2-bce3-a62f-f3f7187ec50a@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <5EBD266F-B0EC-44A6-BB74-C684B96421EA@widomaker.com>

I?ve always used stereo cables Lin In and Lin Out on my K3. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 3, 2020, at 9:01 PM, Rich <rwnewbould at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Is it OK to use a 1/8 stereo male on the LINE IN female jack? Fred's book shows the RING is floating so I guess having a TRS male would not matter.
> 
> True?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Rich
> 
> K3RWN
> 
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From norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com  Sat Jul  4 23:18:01 2020
From: norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com (Eric Norris)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 20:18:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: PureSignal/Pre-Distortion Qs
Message-ID: <CAJSJeL2UqU7NREVp3tgLpVJrp9bi6KgmC2zGzr8JfcNQPnDpfA@mail.gmail.com>

Does PD work with CW, as well as SSB signals?  Will it be functional on the
K4 as first shipped, and a KPA1500 in the 4xx serial number, or will either
or both of these have to be modified first?

73 Eric WD6DBM

From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Jul  5 00:32:28 2020
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 21:32:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <0e2539b5-24a5-20b5-1467-b26e24fbb3d0@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? The days are growing shorter.? It was chilly all week.? Might be the 
lack of solar activity.? It may also be the clouds which can't seem to 
move off shore.? That left me quiet time with all the rain.? Time enough 
to study CUDA programming for two weeks. It is amazing what you can do 
with 32k threads of execution. Graphics cards are very powerful these days.

 ?? As I mentioned, the sun has remained inactive.? A few tiny sunspots 
and a couple almost sunspots which melted away.? Even the solar wind is 
weak; the auroral oval is light to non-existent.? A few more comets may 
make their way around the sun this year.? Lots of duds lately though.? 
It would be nice to have a long lasting comet for the fall.


Please join us on (or near):

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 ? 7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

 ?? 73,
 ????? Kevin. KD5ONS


_


From mikekopacki at gmail.com  Sun Jul  5 09:08:49 2020
From: mikekopacki at gmail.com (NJMike)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 06:08:49 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Radio interface cable to connect MFJ-993B ATU
Message-ID: <1593954529809-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

In order to put the MFJ-993B automatic antenna tuner into TUNE mode from the
radio, an interface cable is required. 

MFJ has cables for the major radio brands. I?m not sure if it?s even
possible for the K2 since I?m already using the RS-232 port to interface
with the laptop. 

The cable, I believe, does nothing more than initiate TUNE mode on the tuner
when TUNE is initiated on the radio. 

If anyone has made this work please let me know!

Thanks,
Mike NJ2OM 



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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jul  5 11:38:29 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 11:38:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Radio interface cable to connect MFJ-993B ATU
In-Reply-To: <1593954529809-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1593954529809-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <f1cc309c-9a77-1f19-631e-cb9c7f80778f@embarqmail.com>

Mike,

It is more complicated than that - there is no TUNE information on the 
RS-232 lines but if the MFJ ATU has a signal to activate TUNE on the K2, 
and I do not see any reference to a TUNE signal in the Kio2 Programmer's 
Reference manual.

Best to ask MFJ how they detect TUNE mode in the K2, and once you have 
that answer, we can tell you how to construct the cable for both the PC 
and MFJ ATU connections.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/5/2020 9:08 AM, NJMike wrote:
> In order to put the MFJ-993B automatic antenna tuner into TUNE mode from the
> radio, an interface cable is required.
> 
> MFJ has cables for the major radio brands. I?m not sure if it?s even
> possible for the K2 since I?m already using the RS-232 port to interface
> with the laptop.
> 
> The cable, I believe, does nothing more than initiate TUNE mode on the tuner
> when TUNE is initiated on the radio.
> 

From mikekopacki at gmail.com  Sun Jul  5 11:41:36 2020
From: mikekopacki at gmail.com (Mike Kopacki)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 11:41:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Radio interface cable to connect MFJ-993B ATU
In-Reply-To: <f1cc309c-9a77-1f19-631e-cb9c7f80778f@embarqmail.com>
References: <f1cc309c-9a77-1f19-631e-cb9c7f80778f@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <E4236C40-9B9B-419C-B4F1-04B7A2728F4E@gmail.com>

I plan on calling them tomorrow (Monday).

Thanks,
Mike NJ2OM 

> On Jul 5, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Mike,
> 
> It is more complicated than that - there is no TUNE information on the RS-232 lines but if the MFJ ATU has a signal to activate TUNE on the K2, and I do not see any reference to a TUNE signal in the Kio2 Programmer's Reference manual.
> 
> Best to ask MFJ how they detect TUNE mode in the K2, and once you have that answer, we can tell you how to construct the cable for both the PC and MFJ ATU connections.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 7/5/2020 9:08 AM, NJMike wrote:
>> In order to put the MFJ-993B automatic antenna tuner into TUNE mode from the
>> radio, an interface cable is required.
>> MFJ has cables for the major radio brands. I?m not sure if it?s even
>> possible for the K2 since I?m already using the RS-232 port to interface
>> with the laptop.
>> The cable, I believe, does nothing more than initiate TUNE mode on the tuner
>> when TUNE is initiated on the radio.

From kz5d.arts at gmail.com  Sun Jul  5 11:46:50 2020
From: kz5d.arts at gmail.com (Art Suberbielle)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 10:46:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Pigknob for K-3 available
Message-ID: <CAJC3qyhjZiqD-b48MDp6982Ogz2mJ5vEJnNxvkEgok=rd137LQ@mail.gmail.com>

A Pigknob is the poor man's version of a k-pod. I have one for sale in good
condition. Only $50 plus shipping.

Contact off list.
kz5d.arts at gmail.com

From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Jul  5 12:41:50 2020
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 09:41:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Test
Message-ID: <b3566009-bce0-c265-81ff-a289a2193c2b@coho.net>

test

I have been able to see my emails to the reflector for years.? No I cannot.

Kevin.? KD5ONS


From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Jul  5 12:49:50 2020
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 09:49:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Elecraft CW Net Announcement
In-Reply-To: <0e2539b5-24a5-20b5-1467-b26e24fbb3d0@coho.net>
References: <0e2539b5-24a5-20b5-1467-b26e24fbb3d0@coho.net>
Message-ID: <328bb094-e615-1b3d-cfab-3e7b316ae16c@coho.net>

I'll try this again.

 ?? K.



-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Date: 	Sat, 4 Jul 2020 21:32:28 -0700
From: 	kevinr <kevinr at coho.net>
To: 	Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>



Good Evening,

 ?? The days are growing shorter.? It was chilly all week.? Might be the 
lack of solar activity.? It may also be the clouds which can't seem to 
move off shore.? That left me quiet time with all the rain.? Time enough 
to study CUDA programming for two weeks. It is amazing what you can do 
with 32k threads of execution. Graphics cards are very powerful these days.

 ?? As I mentioned, the sun has remained inactive.? A few tiny sunspots 
and a couple almost sunspots which melted away.? Even the solar wind is 
weak; the auroral oval is light to non-existent.? A few more comets may 
make their way around the sun this year.? Lots of duds lately though.? 
It would be nice to have a long lasting comet for the fall.


Please join us on (or near):

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 ? 7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

 ?? 73,
 ????? Kevin. KD5ONS


_


From k6xk at ncn.net  Sun Jul  5 12:50:26 2020
From: k6xk at ncn.net (Roy)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 11:50:26 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Test
In-Reply-To: <b3566009-bce0-c265-81ff-a289a2193c2b@coho.net>
References: <b3566009-bce0-c265-81ff-a289a2193c2b@coho.net>
Message-ID: <be6f1689-7f6b-5958-2847-d7af56c05792@ncn.net>

We see 'em fine.

Roy,?? K6XK



On 7/5/2020 11:41 AM, kevinr wrote:
> test
>
> I have been able to see my emails to the reflector for years.? No I 
> cannot.
>
>
>
>


From lists at w2irt.net  Sun Jul  5 13:01:24 2020
From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 13:01:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PSU fan speed mod a success
Message-ID: <00ea01d652ed$eac98350$c05c89f0$@w2irt.net>

Hi all,
Just wanted to reach out and say a great big THANK YOU to my good friend and
fellow NJDXA and FRC member Dave, WO2X for taking point and finding a fix
for my perpetually noisy KPA-1500 power supply fan. It had always been
annoying, but after the Covid lockdown and my wife had to work from home,
she was in the office/hamshack here 10+ hours a day, and leaving the KPA
powered up in standby was just too loud for her to concentrate.

It cost about $64 shipped to get the replacement front panel LED board,
which includes a higher-value 3W resistor that reduces the idling fan noise
to almost nothing now. It's a very simple mod that in retrospect I could
have done myself, but for me with my shaky hands and not-great eyesight it's
a big plus to have a friend like Dave who knows his stuff. If you have an
older KPA1500 and the PSU fans (not the RF deck fans) were driving you nuts,
this mod works great, and eliminates a big source of frustration.


---------------------------------------------
73 and Good DX
Peter, W2IRT



President, North Jersey DX Association

DXCC Card Checker
Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau

 


From lists at subich.com  Sun Jul  5 13:06:52 2020
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 13:06:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Radio interface cable to connect MFJ-993B ATU
In-Reply-To: <E4236C40-9B9B-419C-B4F1-04B7A2728F4E@gmail.com>
References: <f1cc309c-9a77-1f19-631e-cb9c7f80778f@embarqmail.com>
	<E4236C40-9B9B-419C-B4F1-04B7A2728F4E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <afa5fedc-0f4e-a135-127e-f0dce4757fac@subich.com>



>> Best to ask MFJ how they detect TUNE mode in the K2, and once you 
>> have that answer, we can tell you how to construct the cable for 
>> both the PC and MFJ ATU connections.
Based on the MFJ manual, the 993B is looking for specific protocol
from the *TUNER* connection of the Kenwood or Yaesu transceivers or
a contact closure out/contact closure in ("start"/Tuning") of the
Icom AH-3/AH-4 tuners.

None of Elecraft's transceivers are compatible with those signaling
protocols.  Elecraft's transceivers/tuners communicate using Elecraft's
proprietary "Aux Bus" (protocol).

I doubt that there is any way to automate the K2/MFJ-993B interaction.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2020-07-05 11:41 AM, Mike Kopacki wrote:
> I plan on calling them tomorrow (Monday).
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike NJ2OM
> 
>> On Jul 5, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Mike,
>>
>> It is more complicated than that - there is no TUNE information on the RS-232 lines but if the MFJ ATU has a signal to activate TUNE on the K2, and I do not see any reference to a TUNE signal in the Kio2 Programmer's Reference manual.
>>
>> Best to ask MFJ how they detect TUNE mode in the K2, and once you have that answer, we can tell you how to construct the cable for both the PC and MFJ ATU connections.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>>> On 7/5/2020 9:08 AM, NJMike wrote:
>>> In order to put the MFJ-993B automatic antenna tuner into TUNE mode from the
>>> radio, an interface cable is required.
>>> MFJ has cables for the major radio brands. I?m not sure if it?s even
>>> possible for the K2 since I?m already using the RS-232 port to interface
>>> with the laptop.
>>> The cable, I believe, does nothing more than initiate TUNE mode on the tuner
>>> when TUNE is initiated on the radio.
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From mikekopacki at gmail.com  Sun Jul  5 14:02:39 2020
From: mikekopacki at gmail.com (Mike Kopacki)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 14:02:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Radio interface cable to connect MFJ-993B ATU
In-Reply-To: <afa5fedc-0f4e-a135-127e-f0dce4757fac@subich.com>
References: <afa5fedc-0f4e-a135-127e-f0dce4757fac@subich.com>
Message-ID: <5E471801-9D88-48BF-A329-3715C6DE826A@gmail.com>

Nice reply, Joe. I kinda figured that. Fortunately it?s not a deal breaker for me. 

Thanks,
Mike NJ2OM 

> On Jul 5, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
>>> Best to ask MFJ how they detect TUNE mode in the K2, and once you have that answer, we can tell you how to construct the cable for both the PC and MFJ ATU connections.
> Based on the MFJ manual, the 993B is looking for specific protocol
> from the *TUNER* connection of the Kenwood or Yaesu transceivers or
> a contact closure out/contact closure in ("start"/Tuning") of the
> Icom AH-3/AH-4 tuners.
> 
> None of Elecraft's transceivers are compatible with those signaling
> protocols.  Elecraft's transceivers/tuners communicate using Elecraft's
> proprietary "Aux Bus" (protocol).
> 
> I doubt that there is any way to automate the K2/MFJ-993B interaction.
> 
> 73,
> 
>   ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
>> On 2020-07-05 11:41 AM, Mike Kopacki wrote:
>> I plan on calling them tomorrow (Monday).
>> Thanks,
>> Mike NJ2OM
>>>> On Jul 5, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Mike,
>>> 
>>> It is more complicated than that - there is no TUNE information on the RS-232 lines but if the MFJ ATU has a signal to activate TUNE on the K2, and I do not see any reference to a TUNE signal in the Kio2 Programmer's Reference manual.
>>> 
>>> Best to ask MFJ how they detect TUNE mode in the K2, and once you have that answer, we can tell you how to construct the cable for both the PC and MFJ ATU connections.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>> 
>>>> On 7/5/2020 9:08 AM, NJMike wrote:
>>>> In order to put the MFJ-993B automatic antenna tuner into TUNE mode from the
>>>> radio, an interface cable is required.
>>>> MFJ has cables for the major radio brands. I?m not sure if it?s even
>>>> possible for the K2 since I?m already using the RS-232 port to interface
>>>> with the laptop.
>>>> The cable, I believe, does nothing more than initiate TUNE mode on the tuner
>>>> when TUNE is initiated on the radio.
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From kr7x at comcast.net  Sun Jul  5 14:06:50 2020
From: kr7x at comcast.net (KR7X)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 11:06:50 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] N6TV Y-Box for Sale
Message-ID: <1593972410367-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

N6TV Y-box with 3 cables never used $85.00 shipped.
Hank / KR7X



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From gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  5 15:53:50 2020
From: gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com (eric norris)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 19:53:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  need simple log uploader to LOTW
References: <1263228825.2774089.1593978830940.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1263228825.2774089.1593978830940@mail.yahoo.com>

I am extremely frustrated.? I use the logging function in WSJT-X for digial mode QSOs, which I effortlessly upload to LOTW, using nothing more than a trackball.
What I am looking for is an app, that runs on an android phone or tablet, that allows me to enter and upload CW and SSB QSOs that so far exist only paper.? There are several apps I have tried, each more useless than the next.? I can't use the direct uploader on TSQL because of severe neck mobility issues.? For the same reason, I.can't use N1MM logger or any logging program that runs on a computer but which does not run on tablets or phones.??
Any help out there???? Thanks!
73, Eric WD6DBM

From kees.leenders at ziggo.nl  Sun Jul  5 16:11:30 2020
From: kees.leenders at ziggo.nl (Kees)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 13:11:30 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S less sensitive with K144XV Reference oscillator
 phase lock installed.
Message-ID: <1593979890671-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Dear subscribers,

After installing K144XV Ref osc. module the radio is less sensitive on 144
mHz. There is also a wheaping sound, low volume.
The module was installed according the last errata.
Transmitting works fine.

When the module is disassembled the radio, the senstivity is good.

Who has a suggestion to solve this problem?




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From w4kx at mac.com  Sun Jul  5 17:07:42 2020
From: w4kx at mac.com (Tom Doligalski)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 17:07:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange Amplifier behavior
Message-ID: <98BA3584-3FB5-4483-AFEE-6451A46E958C@mac.com>

I have a relatively old K3, which I use together with a KPA500 and a KAT500. Most of the time this works flawlessly. 

However, occasionally the K3 gets confused and doesn?t realize that the KPA500 is in ?Operate? mode (rather an in standby). This results in the K3 sending 100 watts to the amp, and the amp faults. 

Again, this doesn?t happen often, and I can?t ascertain why it occurs. Most of the time all is OK. 

The K3, KPA500 and the KAT500 all are running the latest firmware. 

Any idea?

73

Tom W4KX

From elecraftcovers at gmail.com  Sun Jul  5 17:18:52 2020
From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 15:18:52 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S less sensitive with K144XV Reference oscillator
 phase lock installed.
In-Reply-To: <1593979890671-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1593979890671-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAK+fsRXC==9Y-TW04E6HFicjmHK=BuHE--oXthya3FaoGxWFSA@mail.gmail.com>

What ever a "wheaping" sound is ....

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 14:11 Kees <kees.leenders at ziggo.nl> wrote:

> Dear subscribers,
>
> After installing K144XV Ref osc. module the radio is less sensitive on 144
> mHz. There is also a wheaping sound, low volume.
> The module was installed according the last errata.
> Transmitting works fine.
>
> When the module is disassembled the radio, the senstivity is good.
>
> Who has a suggestion to solve this problem?
>
>
>
>
> --
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From kees.leenders at ziggo.nl  Sun Jul  5 17:30:00 2020
From: kees.leenders at ziggo.nl (Kees Leenders)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 21:30:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S less sensitive with K144XV Reference oscillator
 phase lock installed.
In-Reply-To: <CAK+fsRXC==9Y-TW04E6HFicjmHK=BuHE--oXthya3FaoGxWFSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1593979890671-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<CAK+fsRXC==9Y-TW04E6HFicjmHK=BuHE--oXthya3FaoGxWFSA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3A5F6F3CC0E6E19C.eb0b367e-bb9c-4b66-9667-72f98431e727@mail.outlook.com>

Hi Rose,




I mean weeping, or hissing sound. Very low in volume 


Sorry for the misunderstandig.




Regards Kees




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On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 11:19 PM +0200, "Rose" <elecraftcovers at gmail.com> wrote:










What ever a "wheaping" sound is ....
On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 14:11 Kees <kees.leenders at ziggo.nl> wrote:
Dear subscribers,



After installing K144XV Ref osc. module the radio is less sensitive on 144

mHz. There is also a wheaping sound, low volume.

The module was installed according the last errata.

Transmitting works fine.



When the module is disassembled the radio, the senstivity is good.



Who has a suggestion to solve this problem?









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From elecraftcovers at gmail.com  Sun Jul  5 17:34:14 2020
From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 15:34:14 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S less sensitive with K144XV Reference oscillator
 phase lock installed.
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Sorry Kees .... couldn't resist the temptation ....

73

Ken Kopp - Kopp

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 15:30 Kees Leenders <kees.leenders at ziggo.nl> wrote:

> Hi Rose,
>
> I mean weeping, or hissing sound. Very low in volume
> Sorry for the misunderstandig.
>
> Regards Kees
>
> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/ghei36>
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>
>
> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 11:19 PM +0200, "Rose" <elecraftcovers at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> What ever a "wheaping" sound is ....
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 14:11 Kees <kees.leenders at ziggo.nl> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear subscribers,
>>>
>>> After installing K144XV Ref osc. module the radio is less sensitive on
>>> 144
>>> mHz. There is also a wheaping sound, low volume.
>>> The module was installed according the last errata.
>>> Transmitting works fine.
>>>
>>> When the module is disassembled the radio, the senstivity is good.
>>>
>>> Who has a suggestion to solve this problem?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Jul  5 17:35:32 2020
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 14:35:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange Amplifier behavior
In-Reply-To: <98BA3584-3FB5-4483-AFEE-6451A46E958C@mac.com>
References: <98BA3584-3FB5-4483-AFEE-6451A46E958C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9121ed91-eeef-8e60-6292-eaa44ead39e4@foothill.net>

I can't answer your question but when I still had my KPA500, I had that 
same issue.? Got in the habit of always checking the power setting 
before keying when I put the amp into OPR.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/5/2020 2:07 PM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft wrote:
> I have a relatively old K3, which I use together with a KPA500 and a KAT500. Most of the time this works flawlessly.
>
> However, occasionally the K3 gets confused and doesn?t realize that the KPA500 is in ?Operate? mode (rather an in standby). This results in the K3 sending 100 watts to the amp, and the amp faults.
>
> Again, this doesn?t happen often, and I can?t ascertain why it occurs. Most of the time all is OK.
>
> The K3, KPA500 and the KAT500 all are running the latest firmware.
>
> Any idea?
>
> 73
>
> Tom W4KX
>


From w4kx at mac.com  Sun Jul  5 17:54:34 2020
From: w4kx at mac.com (Tom Doligalski)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 17:54:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange Amplifier behavior
In-Reply-To: <9121ed91-eeef-8e60-6292-eaa44ead39e4@foothill.net>
References: <9121ed91-eeef-8e60-6292-eaa44ead39e4@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <25F11FDF-6A4D-4FD2-A0F5-792E36A581E4@mac.com>

Interesting!

This has begun just in the last few weeks. 

Thx!

Tom W4KX

Sent from my iPad 

> On Jul 5, 2020, at 5:37 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I can't answer your question but when I still had my KPA500, I had that same issue.  Got in the habit of always checking the power setting before keying when I put the amp into OPR.
> 
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
>> On 7/5/2020 2:07 PM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft wrote:
>> I have a relatively old K3, which I use together with a KPA500 and a KAT500. Most of the time this works flawlessly.
>> 
>> However, occasionally the K3 gets confused and doesn?t realize that the KPA500 is in ?Operate? mode (rather an in standby). This results in the K3 sending 100 watts to the amp, and the amp faults.
>> 
>> Again, this doesn?t happen often, and I can?t ascertain why it occurs. Most of the time all is OK.
>> 
>> The K3, KPA500 and the KAT500 all are running the latest firmware.
>> 
>> Any idea?
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> Tom W4KX
>> 
> 
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Jul  5 18:16:20 2020
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 15:16:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange Amplifier behavior
In-Reply-To: <25F11FDF-6A4D-4FD2-A0F5-792E36A581E4@mac.com>
References: <9121ed91-eeef-8e60-6292-eaa44ead39e4@foothill.net>
	<25F11FDF-6A4D-4FD2-A0F5-792E36A581E4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <79e6a3e7-eec5-44c3-279d-f458d3e7bf13@foothill.net>

Mine was so intermittent that I could never reconstruct the actions I 
had taken prior to seeing the anomaly ... often a month or more would go 
by.? I had the control cables between K3, KPA500, and KAT500 connected, 
and in every other way, the three components played together 
flawlessly.? It was discussed here back when the KPA500 first came out 
and the K3 FW had been changed to include the feature.? I don't recall 
that there was ever a diagnosis or resolution.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/5/2020 2:54 PM, Tom Doligalski wrote:
> Interesting!
>
> This has begun just in the last few weeks.
>
> Thx!
>
> Tom W4KX
>
>


From k4zrj at icloud.com  Sun Jul  5 18:29:09 2020
From: k4zrj at icloud.com (Charles Johnson)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 18:29:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange Amplifier behavior
In-Reply-To: <98BA3584-3FB5-4483-AFEE-6451A46E958C@mac.com>
References: <98BA3584-3FB5-4483-AFEE-6451A46E958C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <A1984673-F16C-4627-BBD2-13D07FCFEFB2@icloud.com>

I have seen this happen when the K3 was connected to a computer via either USB or an RS232 serial cable and the computer was polling the K3 at a rapid rate (like several times a second) to determine its? frequency and/or other operating parameters. This can cause the K3 to miss the data line signal from the KPA500. My solution was to slow the polling rate of the PC software.

73, Charles, K4ZRJ

 

> On Jul 5, 2020, at 17:07, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> I have a relatively old K3, which I use together with a KPA500 and a KAT500. Most of the time this works flawlessly. 
> 
> However, occasionally the K3 gets confused and doesn?t realize that the KPA500 is in ?Operate? mode (rather an in standby). This results in the K3 sending 100 watts to the amp, and the amp faults. 
> 
> Again, this doesn?t happen often, and I can?t ascertain why it occurs. Most of the time all is OK. 
> 
> The K3, KPA500 and the KAT500 all are running the latest firmware. 
> 
> Any idea?
> 
> 73
> 
> Tom W4KX
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From k6mr at outlook.com  Sun Jul  5 18:31:21 2020
From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 22:31:21 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange Amplifier behavior
In-Reply-To: <25F11FDF-6A4D-4FD2-A0F5-792E36A581E4@mac.com>
References: <9121ed91-eeef-8e60-6292-eaa44ead39e4@foothill.net>,
	<25F11FDF-6A4D-4FD2-A0F5-792E36A581E4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR07MB6214A582AC2E4A87AA383B069E680@BYAPR07MB6214.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

The only way the K3 knows that the KPA500 is in operate is via an AuxBus message.  So if it misses it for some reason, it won?t switch.  Be sure the cable between the radio Aux port and the amp is completely seated and such.  And make it a habit to watch the front panel on the K3 when you switch on the KPA or select operate.  You should see the KPA500 Operate message.  The other way you can check is wiggle the PWR knob and make sure the * is in the window.  That tells you that the radio is using the amp power settings.

Ken K6MR

From: Tom Doligalski via Elecraft<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2020 14:55
To: Fred Jensen<mailto:k6dgw at foothill.net>
Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Strange Amplifier behavior

Interesting!

This has begun just in the last few weeks.

Thx!

Tom W4KX

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 5, 2020, at 5:37 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
>
> ?I can't answer your question but when I still had my KPA500, I had that same issue.  Got in the habit of always checking the power setting before keying when I put the amp into OPR.
>
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
>> On 7/5/2020 2:07 PM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft wrote:
>> I have a relatively old K3, which I use together with a KPA500 and a KAT500. Most of the time this works flawlessly.
>>
>> However, occasionally the K3 gets confused and doesn?t realize that the KPA500 is in ?Operate? mode (rather an in standby). This results in the K3 sending 100 watts to the amp, and the amp faults.
>>
>> Again, this doesn?t happen often, and I can?t ascertain why it occurs. Most of the time all is OK.
>>
>> The K3, KPA500 and the KAT500 all are running the latest firmware.
>>
>> Any idea?
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Tom W4KX
>>
>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Jul  5 18:38:11 2020
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 15:38:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: need simple log uploader to LOTW
In-Reply-To: <1263228825.2774089.1593978830940@mail.yahoo.com>
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	<1263228825.2774089.1593978830940@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1e5bf9b2-c6be-d269-1981-c06da4e2b0a1@audiosystemsgroup.com>

I was lucky to start with DXKeeper when I got back on the air in 2003. 
It's perfect for what you want to do, and it's a VERY powerful logger. 
It's FREE, works well with LOTW, eQSL, and ClubLog, and it integrates 
well with JTAlert. Its author, AA6YQ, recently received an award for 
technical excellence.

73, Jim K9YC

  On 7/5/2020 12:53 PM, eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
> I am extremely frustrated.? I use the logging function in WSJT-X for digial mode QSOs, which I effortlessly upload to LOTW, using nothing more than a trackball.
> What I am looking for is an app, that runs on an android phone or tablet, that allows me to enter and upload CW and SSB QSOs that so far exist only paper.? There are several apps I have tried, each more useless than the next.? I can't use the direct uploader on TSQL because of severe neck mobility issues.? For the same reason, I.can't use N1MM logger or any logging program that runs on a computer but which does not run on tablets or phones.
> Any help out there???? Thanks!



From w4kx at mac.com  Sun Jul  5 18:47:12 2020
From: w4kx at mac.com (Tom Doligalski)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 18:47:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange Amplifier behavior
In-Reply-To: <A1984673-F16C-4627-BBD2-13D07FCFEFB2@icloud.com>
References: <98BA3584-3FB5-4483-AFEE-6451A46E958C@mac.com>
	<A1984673-F16C-4627-BBD2-13D07FCFEFB2@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.86.1593989241.3112.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

I have the USB communicating at 38400  Will try and back that off and see if that helps!

Tom W4KX

From: Charles Johnson
Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2020 6:29 PM
To: Tom Doligalski
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Strange Amplifier behavior

I have seen this happen when the K3 was connected to a computer via either USB or an RS232 serial cable and the computer was polling the K3 at a rapid rate (like several times a second) to determine its? frequency and/or other operating parameters. This can cause the K3 to miss the data line signal from the KPA500. My solution was to slow the polling rate of the PC software.

73, Charles, K4ZRJ

 

> On Jul 5, 2020, at 17:07, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> I have a relatively old K3, which I use together with a KPA500 and a KAT500. Most of the time this works flawlessly. 
> 
> However, occasionally the K3 gets confused and doesn?t realize that the KPA500 is in ?Operate? mode (rather an in standby). This results in the K3 sending 100 watts to the amp, and the amp faults. 
> 
> Again, this doesn?t happen often, and I can?t ascertain why it occurs. Most of the time all is OK. 
> 
> The K3, KPA500 and the KAT500 all are running the latest firmware. 
> 
> Any idea?
> 
> 73
> 
> Tom W4KX
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sun Jul  5 20:56:20 2020
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 20:56:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: need simple log uploader to LOTW
In-Reply-To: <1e5bf9b2-c6be-d269-1981-c06da4e2b0a1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <1e5bf9b2-c6be-d269-1981-c06da4e2b0a1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <3B3DEBF2-B59E-4CC3-9F83-EF2889B8E025@widomaker.com>

Yes. Great program. But it doesn?t run on an Sndroid phone or tablet.  Or an iPhone or other iOS device.  

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 5, 2020, at 6:40 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I was lucky to start with DXKeeper when I got back on the air in 2003. It's perfect for what you want to do, and it's a VERY powerful logger. It's FREE, works well with LOTW, eQSL, and ClubLog, and it integrates well with JTAlert. Its author, AA6YQ, recently received an award for technical excellence.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
>> On 7/5/2020 12:53 PM, eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
>> I am extremely frustrated.  I use the logging function in WSJT-X for digial mode QSOs, which I effortlessly upload to LOTW, using nothing more than a trackball.
>> What I am looking for is an app, that runs on an android phone or tablet, that allows me to enter and upload CW and SSB QSOs that so far exist only paper.  There are several apps I have tried, each more useless than the next.  I can't use the direct uploader on TSQL because of severe neck mobility issues.  For the same reason, I.can't use N1MM logger or any logging program that runs on a computer but which does not run on tablets or phones.
>> Any help out there???  Thanks!
> 
> 
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From vk4ky at woodtech.net.au  Sun Jul  5 21:43:30 2020
From: vk4ky at woodtech.net.au (Andy Wood)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 18:43:30 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] W2 SWR Alarm Function - How to set?
In-Reply-To: <1593735706660-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1593735706660-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1593999810505-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

I tried this again with exactly the same setup and now it works. I still
don't know what the original problem was as all the hardware is identical.

Andy  VK4KY



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From k9ztv at socket.net  Sun Jul  5 21:57:30 2020
From: k9ztv at socket.net (K9ZTV)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 20:57:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange Amplifier behavior
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR07MB6214A582AC2E4A87AA383B069E680@BYAPR07MB6214.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <9121ed91-eeef-8e60-6292-eaa44ead39e4@foothill.net>
	<25F11FDF-6A4D-4FD2-A0F5-792E36A581E4@mac.com>
	<BYAPR07MB6214A582AC2E4A87AA383B069E680@BYAPR07MB6214.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <E02C0776-B80B-4B07-B10D-86D267D4C538@socket.net>

True, unless you have the KPA500 configured (as I do) to be in Standby Mode upon power-up.

73,

Kent  K9ZTV


> On Jul 5, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Ken K6MR <k6mr at outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> ... when you switch on the KPA500... you should see the KPA500 Operate message.  


From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Jul  5 22:01:43 2020
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 19:01:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <11322834-8826-1bcb-b476-69dcbc839f8a@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? Both bands were weak, with noise and QSB.? But I was moderately 
successful given the conditions.? One strange thing, NO8V was stronger 
than either K6XK or K4TO.? That's just not normal :)? I did hear some 
ESP code on 20 meters but not well enough to convince me it wasn't just 
in my head.? It happens now and then.? Often when I'm working and a 
squeaky fan is on.

 ?? I sat down to start the 40 meter net and I listened for a while.? To 
nothing.? Not one sound.? I looked out the window and found the antenna 
still up.? I checked the switches and the antennas were both online.? 
There was just no noise at all on 40 meters.? Two weeks ago that meant I 
worked no one.? I called CQ and K6PJV popped up; weakly, but there.? 
Dale was spending the day inside where it's cool with his KX3 by his side.

 ?? On the next call I copied M0YK M0YK M0YK.? I stared at the paper 
trying to figure it out.? With code this good why hasn't he upgraded to 
a G call?? Then W0YK called again so I could hear the initial dit :)? I 
gave Ed a 329 and he proceeded to tell me he was on K4 number 2.? The 
second K4 to check in to ECN and it's number 2?? The first K4 was when 
K6KR checked in last year.? I don't think I got his SN but I am sure 
#001 is in Wayne's hands.? The K4s sound good guys.

 ?? Brian checked in with a weather report much like mine.? He lives 
closer to the ocean but the Pacific has been socked in for the last few 
weeks.? The clouds just comes inland a bit farther up here.? He was 
working on a clean sweep of the 13 colonies contest.? He needed a couple 
more on CW.


 ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

NO8V - John - MI

K6XK - Roy - IA

K4TO - Dave - KY


 ? On 7047.5 kHz at 0000z:

K6PJV - Dale - CA

W0YK - Ed - CA

K0DTJ - Brian - CA


 ? Writing parallel code is getting easier.? Now to learn how to tune it 
for best performance.? If done well you can achieve teraFLOP 
performance.? If done poorly you can do worse than brute force on a 
CPU.? Maybe another two weeks of study to mount the initial learning curve.

 ?? Until next week 73,

 ????? Kevin.? KD5ONS

-



From ed at w0yk.com  Sun Jul  5 22:28:20 2020
From: ed at w0yk.com (Ed Muns)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 19:28:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
In-Reply-To: <11322834-8826-1bcb-b476-69dcbc839f8a@coho.net>
References: <11322834-8826-1bcb-b476-69dcbc839f8a@coho.net>
Message-ID: <00d901d6533d$1e5a4070$5b0ec150$@w0yk.com>

Actually, the K4 I am currently using is Wayne's SN 2.  Mine is SN 11 and Wayne swapped with me to investigate something on my radio.  Dick's, K6KR probably has a SN between our two radios.  You were 599 at the beginning, then dropped down to about S7.  I was running 100 watts.  I couldn't find/hear you on 20m at 22Z which surprised me.  It should have been an easy path.  Unfortunately, the marginal propagation these days is driving most activity to FT8.

73,
Ed W0YK

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of kevinr
Sent: 05 July, 2020 19:02
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report

Good Evening,

    Both bands were weak, with noise and QSB.  But I was moderately 
successful given the conditions.  One strange thing, NO8V was stronger 
than either K6XK or K4TO.  That's just not normal :)  I did hear some 
ESP code on 20 meters but not well enough to convince me it wasn't just 
in my head.  It happens now and then.  Often when I'm working and a 
squeaky fan is on.

    I sat down to start the 40 meter net and I listened for a while.  To 
nothing.  Not one sound.  I looked out the window and found the antenna 
still up.  I checked the switches and the antennas were both online.  
There was just no noise at all on 40 meters.  Two weeks ago that meant I 
worked no one.  I called CQ and K6PJV popped up; weakly, but there.  
Dale was spending the day inside where it's cool with his KX3 by his side.

    On the next call I copied M0YK M0YK M0YK.  I stared at the paper 
trying to figure it out.  With code this good why hasn't he upgraded to 
a G call?  Then W0YK called again so I could hear the initial dit :)  I 
gave Ed a 329 and he proceeded to tell me he was on K4 number 2.  The 
second K4 to check in to ECN and it's number 2?  The first K4 was when 
K6KR checked in last year.  I don't think I got his SN but I am sure 
#001 is in Wayne's hands.  The K4s sound good guys.

    Brian checked in with a weather report much like mine.  He lives 
closer to the ocean but the Pacific has been socked in for the last few 
weeks.  The clouds just comes inland a bit farther up here.  He was 
working on a clean sweep of the 13 colonies contest.  He needed a couple 
more on CW.


   On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

NO8V - John - MI

K6XK - Roy - IA

K4TO - Dave - KY


   On 7047.5 kHz at 0000z:

K6PJV - Dale - CA

W0YK - Ed - CA

K0DTJ - Brian - CA


   Writing parallel code is getting easier.  Now to learn how to tune it 
for best performance.  If done well you can achieve teraFLOP 
performance.  If done poorly you can do worse than brute force on a 
CPU.  Maybe another two weeks of study to mount the initial learning curve.

    Until next week 73,

       Kevin.  KD5ONS

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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Sun Jul  5 23:51:32 2020
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Sun,  5 Jul 2020 23:51:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-F6B0E29B40814B4B9F513574B63C3F12@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

I had the same issues with the SSB nets. (The CW nets come 
during the dinner hour, and today I was at a family picnic dinner.)

On 20M I could hear over half of the stations, some at ESP 
levels, but only Steve, WM6P managed to hear me and relayed my 
checkin. This was running 100W from my K3 to a 2 element wire 
beam. I was hearing Eric, WB9JNZ at 55 to 57, but he couldn't 
hear me. I've always assumed that being in Chicago, he has a 
fairly high local noise floor. I'm out in the country and can 
hear quite well.

40M was a total bust. I could barely hear anyone, and no one 
could hear my 100W to a dipole.

The K3 and the two antennas worked well during Field Day, so I 
put it down to propagation. The question on 20M is why I could 
hear well and others couldn't hear me. It may be worthwhile to 
swap out the 20M antenna for another one and see if that 
improves things.

Of course, on Field Day, I did most of my Qs on CW or digital -- 
two points per Q vs. one after all. And, CW and digital can 
punch through when conditions aren't good enough for SSB.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 7/5/20 at 10:28 PM, ed at w0yk.com (Ed Muns) wrote:

>Actually, the K4 I am currently using is Wayne's SN 2.  Mine is 
>SN 11 and Wayne swapped with me to investigate something on my 
>radio.  Dick's, K6KR probably has a SN between our two radios.  
>You were 599 at the beginning, then dropped down to about S7.  
>I was running 100 watts.  I couldn't find/hear you on 20m at 
>22Z which surprised me.  It should have been an easy path.  
>Unfortunately, the marginal propagation these days is driving 
>most activity to FT8.
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From norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 02:30:23 2020
From: norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com (Eric Norris)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 23:30:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
In-Reply-To: <00d901d6533d$1e5a4070$5b0ec150$@w0yk.com>
References: <11322834-8826-1bcb-b476-69dcbc839f8a@coho.net>
	<00d901d6533d$1e5a4070$5b0ec150$@w0yk.com>
Message-ID: <CAJSJeL3kaA_hh9YMnJG5kqT+z=jEPrHw5uE45d_hZNqYF9TmTw@mail.gmail.com>

Oh cripes, reading that actually made me salivate.

7K4 Eric WD6DBM

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 7:28 PM Ed Muns <ed at w0yk.com> wrote:

> Actually, the K4 I am currently using is Wayne's SN 2.
>

From M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk  Mon Jul  6 05:53:07 2020
From: M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk (David Ferrington, M0XDF)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 10:53:07 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
In-Reply-To: <11322834-8826-1bcb-b476-69dcbc839f8a@coho.net>
References: <11322834-8826-1bcb-b476-69dcbc839f8a@coho.net>
Message-ID: <3E236995-C86A-44A8-B611-3CD385A003DE@Alphadene.co.uk>

Kevin, not sure if that was ?tongue in cheek?, but if that is a he can?t upgrade. He?s already gained a short ?contest? call.
You can?t just pick another call over here.
-- 
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a happy chance if we, changing, continue to love a changed person. -William
Somerset Maugham, writer (1874-1965)

> On 6 Jul 2020, at 03:01, kevinr <kevinr at coho.net> wrote:
> 
> On the next call I copied M0YK M0YK M0YK.  I stared at the paper trying to figure it out.  With code this good why hasn't he upgraded to a G call? 


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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 03:07:07 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Yamaha CM500 wiring for K2?
In-Reply-To: <82C90385-59C5-443A-804A-C7DE7DC9B61C@comcast.net>
References: <82C90385-59C5-443A-804A-C7DE7DC9B61C@comcast.net>
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From m0lep at hewett.org  Mon Jul  6 06:23:31 2020
From: m0lep at hewett.org (Rick M0LEP)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2020 10:23:31 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
References: <11322834-8826-1bcb-b476-69dcbc839f8a@coho.net>
Message-ID: <6ec4.5f02fba3.47881@hewett.org>

On Mon 06 Jul kevinr wrote:
> I did hear some ESP code on 20 meters but not well enough to convince 
> me it wasn't just in my head. It happens now and then. Often when I'm 
> working and a squeaky fan is on.

One of these years, perhaps, HF conditions will pick up to the point 
where my KX3 might just enable me to manage a Net check-in from this 
side of the Atlantic. Not yet, though. I have, on one or two occasions 
this year, just about almost managed to hear (maybe) the occasional SOTA 
activator operating from a summit on the eastern side of North America, 
but none yet clearly enough for me to work, though other operators in 
Europe (with better antennas and better Morse than me) have succeeded.

> On the next call I copied M0YK M0YK M0YK.?I stared at the paper trying 
> to figure it out.?With code this good why hasn't he upgraded to a G 
> call?

Heh. Given, for the most part, G* calls were issued first, and M* (and 
2*) calls only came along (for amateurs, at least) when the G* space was 
full, I'm not sure there's ever been a path to upgrade from M to G. 
There are chunks of the G* space that used to be "class B licences" 
(without HF access), but that distinction died with the Morse Test. 
There have been cases where folk have taken over a call from a 
silent-key relative, but they're unusual. For the most part, calls are 
never re-isssued.

Recently the regulator has relaxed (or possibly "confused") conditions a 
bit, and released some calls that were previously marked as "not to be 
isssued" into the pool, but changing your call when you're not also 
upgrading your licence is, at best, tedious. 

At best, these days, the only assumptions you can make are that 
Foundation licence holders will have an M?3*, M?6* or M?7* (where the ? 
is the regional modifier) call, Intermediate licence holders will have a 
2* call, and all the rest will have Full licences of some vintage. Even 
then, there are some short (1- or 2-letter suffix) calls that break the 
pattern.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_signs_in_the_United_Kingdom and one 
or two other places try to make sense of the whole muddle, but just when 
it seems they've nailed it some other confusion comes along...

-- 
73, Rick, M0LEP   (KX3 #3281)


From a.durbin at msn.com  Mon Jul  6 09:29:05 2020
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 13:29:05 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange Amplifier behavior
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB2968DB32E88A5431BC5C43AE8C690@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"I have the USB communicating at 38400 Will try and back that off and see if that helps!"

You seem to have confused "polling rate" with "Baud rate".   Polling rate defines the interval between each frame of data requests (how frequently each request is sent).  Baud defines how quickly each of those data requests is sent (the time it takes for each request to be transmitted).

To reduce the K3 processor workload you would need to reduce the polling rate, not the Baud rate.

I cannot comment on whether either will impact your problem.

Andy, k3wyc




From 99sunset at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 09:49:55 2020
From: 99sunset at gmail.com (Steve Hall)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 09:49:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 40 meter net - July 5, 2020, 7.280 MHz
Message-ID: <CALdUqNOOm--zJowgEUfjiocVgkZMa+8o0BUU0+ScFVt+xnyY0Q@mail.gmail.com>

Band was almost dead.  Signals were fairly weak at my QTH in NW GA.

WM6P      GA       Steve     K3s    Net Control
N8VZ        OH       Carl       K3
WW4JF     TN       John      K3s
K8NU        OH      Carl        K3s
WB9JNZ    IL         Eric       K3
KB9AVO    IN        Paul       K3s
NC0JW      CO      Jim         KX3

From comichaven at charter.net  Mon Jul  6 12:21:05 2020
From: comichaven at charter.net (Wb9msm)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 09:21:05 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: *****NIFTY MANUAL FOR K2*****
Message-ID: <1594052465333-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

I would like to purchase a NIFTY Manual for my K2.  It can be an original or
copy.  Please email me direct at  my email.  Thanks for your assistance with
getting me a NIFTY Manual.

73,

Denny
WB9MSM

Email:  comichaven at charter.net





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From mikekopacki at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 15:47:01 2020
From: mikekopacki at gmail.com (Mike Kopacki)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 15:47:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: *****NIFTY MANUAL FOR K2*****
In-Reply-To: <1594052465333-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1594052465333-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <2F7F9AEC-550F-43A8-BA86-12F12C44EB9B@gmail.com>

Denny, can?t you download and print it out from the Elecraft website?

Thanks,
Mike NJ2OM 

> On Jul 6, 2020, at 12:22 PM, Wb9msm <comichaven at charter.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I would like to purchase a NIFTY Manual for my K2.  It can be an original or
> copy.  Please email me direct at  my email.  Thanks for your assistance with
> getting me a NIFTY Manual.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Denny
> WB9MSM
> 
> Email:  comichaven at charter.net
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 15:53:33 2020
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 15:53:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: *****NIFTY MANUAL FOR K2*****
In-Reply-To: <2F7F9AEC-550F-43A8-BA86-12F12C44EB9B@gmail.com>
References: <1594052465333-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<2F7F9AEC-550F-43A8-BA86-12F12C44EB9B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86D5257C-863B-44C6-9A77-766B91467F8B@gmail.com>

Nifty Guides are 3rd party products.  If there was a Nifty Guide for the K2, it is no longer shown on their website as available.

Grant NQ5T

> On Jul 6, 2020, at 3:47 PM, Mike Kopacki <mikekopacki at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Denny, can?t you download and print it out from the Elecraft website?
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike NJ2OM 
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2020, at 12:22 PM, Wb9msm <comichaven at charter.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I would like to purchase a NIFTY Manual for my K2.  It can be an original or
>> copy.  Please email me direct at  my email.  Thanks for your assistance with
>> getting me a NIFTY Manual.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Denny
>> WB9MSM
>> 
>> Email:  comichaven at charter.net


From n6jpa.1 at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 16:56:29 2020
From: n6jpa.1 at gmail.com (Keith N6JPA)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 13:56:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: *****NIFTY MANUAL FOR K2*****
In-Reply-To: <1594052465333-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1594052465333-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <e06c9d11-c75d-8a07-e440-e39cbdd61fb9@gmail.com>

You can buy it from the nifty manual web site. I don't think this list 
should be used to pirate copies of manuals.

On 7/6/20 9:21 AM, Wb9msm wrote:
> I would like to purchase a NIFTY Manual for my K2.  It can be an original or
> copy.  Please email me direct at  my email.  Thanks for your assistance with
> getting me a NIFTY Manual.
>
> 73,
>
> Denny
> WB9MSM
>
> Email:  comichaven at charter.net
>
>
>
>
>
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Mon Jul  6 17:02:07 2020
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 14:02:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: *****NIFTY MANUAL FOR K2*****
In-Reply-To: <e06c9d11-c75d-8a07-e440-e39cbdd61fb9@gmail.com>
References: <1594052465333-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<e06c9d11-c75d-8a07-e440-e39cbdd61fb9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a7a68c3a-14ee-785d-b1b0-91e14e37e40a@triconet.org>

Stopping after your first sentence would have been a good idea.

Wes? N7WS


On 7/6/2020 1:56 PM, Keith N6JPA wrote:
> You can buy it from the nifty manual web site. I don't think this list should 
> be used to pirate copies of manuals.
>
> On 7/6/20 9:21 AM, Wb9msm wrote:
>> I would like to purchase a NIFTY Manual for my K2.? It can be an original or
>> copy.? Please email me direct at? my email.? Thanks for your assistance with
>> getting me a NIFTY Manual.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Denny
>> WB9MSM
>>
>> Email:? comichaven at charter.net


From mikekopacki at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 17:08:42 2020
From: mikekopacki at gmail.com (Mike Kopacki)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 17:08:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: *****NIFTY MANUAL FOR K2*****
Message-ID: <5266C652-73D9-431A-BEA9-4F1342FD8B9B@gmail.com>

My bad. I?m outta hea!

Thanks,
Mike NJ2OM 

> On Jul 6, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
> 

From neilz at techie.com  Mon Jul  6 17:21:24 2020
From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 17:21:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: *****NIFTY MANUAL FOR K2*****
In-Reply-To: <a7a68c3a-14ee-785d-b1b0-91e14e37e40a@triconet.org>
References: <1594052465333-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<e06c9d11-c75d-8a07-e440-e39cbdd61fb9@gmail.com>
	<a7a68c3a-14ee-785d-b1b0-91e14e37e40a@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <56e167e8-fb26-5f57-fe97-cfa4cf02f85d@techie.com>

Not to mention that they don't have it listed any longer, even in the
discontinued manual list.

To the original poster, you can try emailing them at
support at niftyaccessories.com
<mailto:support at niftyaccessories.com?Subject=Purchase%20Discontinued%20Guide>
they may be able to help you with an authorized PDF version

Neil, KN3ILZ

On 7/6/2020 5:02 PM, Wes wrote:
> Stopping after your first sentence would have been a good idea.
>
> Wes? N7WS
>
>
> On 7/6/2020 1:56 PM, Keith N6JPA wrote:
>> You can buy it from the nifty manual web site. I don't think this
>> list should be used to pirate copies of manuals.
>>
>> On 7/6/20 9:21 AM, Wb9msm wrote:
>>> I would like to purchase a NIFTY Manual for my K2.? It can be an
>>> original or
>>> copy.? Please email me direct at? my email.? Thanks for your
>>> assistance with
>>> getting me a NIFTY Manual.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Denny
>>> WB9MSM
>>>
>>> Email:? comichaven at charter.net
>
>


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From billknn at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  6 17:58:17 2020
From: billknn at yahoo.com (Bill Kennedy)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 16:58:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 195, Issue 6
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2760.1594069341.3115.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <0F5DE3F4-625D-4214-A6E4-D4D15D5A74A0.ref@edison.tech>
Message-ID: <0F5DE3F4-625D-4214-A6E4-D4D15D5A74A0@edison.tech>

      
  

 Contrary to the comments of the guest lecturer, And you probably already know this Dennis, but the K2 Nifty Manuals are not available at their website. I?ve been looking too but have pretty much given up. If they are, I would love to be corrected. Your best (and only) bet would be a copy of an out of print publication.
  

  
Good luck!
  

  
  

  
  
>   
> On Jul 6, 2020 at 4:07 PM,  <Elecraft-Request (mailto:elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net)>  wrote:
>   
>   
>   
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Very low in volume Sorry for the misunderstandig. Regards Kees Get Outlook for Android On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 11:19 PM +0200, "Rose"  <elecraftcovers at gmail.com>  wrote: What ever a "wheaping" sound is .... On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 14:11 Kees  <kees.leenders at ziggo.nl>  wrote: Dear subscribers, After installing K144XV Ref osc. module the radio is less sensitive on 144 mHz. There is also a wheaping sound, low volume. The module was installed according the last errata. Transmitting works fine. When the module is disassembled the radio, the senstivity is good. Who has a suggestion to solve this problem? -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to elecraftcovers at gmail.com Sorry Kees .... couldn't resist the temptation .... 73 Ken Kopp - Kopp On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 15:30 Kees Leenders  <kees.leenders at ziggo.nl>  wrote:  >  Hi Rose,  >   >  I mean weeping, or hissing sound. Very low in volume  >  Sorry for the misunderstandig.  >   >  Regards Kees  >   >  Get Outlook for Android  <https://aka.ms/ghei36>   >   >   >   >   >  On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 11:19 PM +0200, "Rose"  <elecraftcovers at gmail.com>   >  wrote:  >   >  What ever a "wheaping" sound is ....  >>   >>  On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 14:11 Kees  <kees.leenders at ziggo.nl>  wrote:  >>   >>>  Dear subscribers,  >>>   >>>  After installing K144XV Ref osc. module the radio is less sensitive on  >>>  144  >>>  mHz. There is also a wheaping sound, low volume.  >>>  The module was installed according the last errata.  >>>  Transmitting works fine.  >>>   >>>  When the module is disassembled the radio, the senstivity is good.  >>>   >>>  Who has a suggestion to solve this problem?  >>>   >>>   >>>   >>>   >>>  --  >>>  Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/  >>>  ______________________________________________________________  >>>  Elecraft mailing list  >>>  Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft  >>>  Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm  >>>  Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net  >>>   >>>  This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net  >>>  Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html  >>>  Message delivered to elecraftcovers at gmail.com  >>>   >>  I tried this again with exactly the same setup and now it works. I still don't know what the original problem was as all the hardware is identical. Andy VK4KY -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ Oh cripes, reading that actually made me salivate. 7K4 Eric WD6DBM On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 7:28 PM Ed Muns  <ed at w0yk.com>  wrote:  >  Actually, the K4 I am currently using is Wayne's SN 2.  >  BS Broadcast is a global market leader in supplying of broadcast equipment specializing in used broadcast equipment. Now we are selling RTS INTERCOM SYSTEMS  <https://www.bsbroadcast.com/ericsson-rx8200-mpeg2-mpeg4-sd-hd-4-2-0-dvb-s2-8psk-receiver-multi-service-decryption-biss-and-down-conversion-22033.html>  Ericsson RX8200 MPEG2 /MPEG4 SD  &  HD 4:2:0 DVB-S2 8PSK receiver Multi-service Decryption, BISS and Down-conversion 22033. -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ Band was almost dead. Signals were fairly weak at my QTH in NW GA. WM6P GA Steve K3s Net Control N8VZ OH Carl K3 WW4JF TN John K3s K8NU OH Carl K3s WB9JNZ IL Eric K3 KB9AVO IN Paul K3s NC0JW CO Jim KX3 I would like to purchase a NIFTY Manual for my K2. It can be an original or copy. Please email me direct at my email. Thanks for your assistance with getting me a NIFTY Manual. 73, Denny WB9MSM Email: comichaven at charter.net ----- Dennis Berg -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ You can buy it from the nifty manual web site. I don't think this list should be used to pirate copies of manuals. On 7/6/20 9:21 AM, Wb9msm wrote:  >  I would like to purchase a NIFTY Manual for my K2. It can be an original or  >  copy. Please email me direct at my email. Thanks for your assistance with  >  getting me a NIFTY Manual.  >   >  73,  >   >  Denny  >  WB9MSM  >   >  Email: comichaven at charter.net  >   >   >   >   >   >  -----  >  Dennis Berg  >  --  >  Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/  >  ______________________________________________________________  >  Elecraft mailing list  >  Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft  >  Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm  >  Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net  >   >  This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net  >  Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html  >  Message delivered to n6jpa.1 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft You must be a subscriber to post. Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com  
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From norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 20:11:28 2020
From: norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com (Eric Norris)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 17:11:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Nifty
In-Reply-To: <0F5DE3F4-625D-4214-A6E4-D4D15D5A74A0@edison.tech>
References: <0F5DE3F4-625D-4214-A6E4-D4D15D5A74A0.ref@edison.tech>
	<mailman.2760.1594069341.3115.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<0F5DE3F4-625D-4214-A6E4-D4D15D5A74A0@edison.tech>
Message-ID: <CAJSJeL1SZqEqX3KMZcrPggu1vuV0cJUdSTU+9V=ok__ro_HoJA@mail.gmail.com>

Bill,  you accidentally replied to the digest, copying the entire thing.
Has anyone contacted Nifty to see if they have any squirreled away?

73 Eric WD6DBM

On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, 2:58 PM Bill Kennedy via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net>

From pvandyke1953 at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 20:55:45 2020
From: pvandyke1953 at gmail.com (Paul Van Dyke)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 20:55:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Nifty
In-Reply-To: <CAJSJeL1SZqEqX3KMZcrPggu1vuV0cJUdSTU+9V=ok__ro_HoJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0F5DE3F4-625D-4214-A6E4-D4D15D5A74A0.ref@edison.tech>
	<mailman.2760.1594069341.3115.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<0F5DE3F4-625D-4214-A6E4-D4D15D5A74A0@edison.tech>
	<CAJSJeL1SZqEqX3KMZcrPggu1vuV0cJUdSTU+9V=ok__ro_HoJA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPKcUmx1sMD8mj0ZwW6py+9HFMPojP9Zx6uafffCc=9Qf+aeg@mail.gmail.com>

Hmm I just got a backup one from HRO

Paul  KB9AVO

On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 8:13 PM Eric Norris <norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Bill,  you accidentally replied to the digest, copying the entire thing.
> Has anyone contacted Nifty to see if they have any squirreled away?
>
> 73 Eric WD6DBM
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, 2:58 PM Bill Kennedy via Elecraft <
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From ockmrzr at gmail.com  Tue Jul  7 10:47:35 2020
From: ockmrzr at gmail.com (ockmrzr at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 07:47:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 For Sale (Upgraded!)
Message-ID: <0d1901d6546d$8edbb460$ac931d20$@gmail.com>

FOR SALE:

 

Elecraft K3/100-F

-KRX3 Sub-Receiver

-KSYN3A Synthesizer Board upgrade (main & sub RX)

-KAT3A 100W Automatic Antenna Tuner

-KXV3B Transverter upgrade

-KIO3B Interface upgrade

-Filters (main RX)

* KFLA3A-2.8-IR, 2.8 kHz SSB

*KFLA3A-1.0-IR, 1.0 kHz CW/DATA

*KFLA3C-400, 400 Hz CW/DATA

*KFLA3A-250-IR, 250Hz 8 Pole CW/DATA

-Filters (sub RX)

*KFLA3A-1.0-IR, 1.0 kHz CW/DATA

 

Total Package New: $5479.94.

**Photos Available

 

This is essentially a K3s!  This is a great rig for Chasing DX or
Contesting.

 

Asking $3250.00 - shipped CONUS

This price will cover shipping and PayPal fees (if used); will ship in
original Elecraft Box

 

I accept PayPal or Money Order

 

Email me directly at: ockmrzr at gmail.com <mailto:ockmrzr at gmail.net> 

 

73 de Bruce, N7TY

Yuma, AZ

www.qsl.net/n7ty <http://www.qsl.net/n7ty> 

 


From k2asp at kanafi.org  Tue Jul  7 11:13:04 2020
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 08:13:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: *****NIFTY MANUAL FOR K2*****
In-Reply-To: <a7a68c3a-14ee-785d-b1b0-91e14e37e40a@triconet.org>
References: <1594052465333-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<e06c9d11-c75d-8a07-e440-e39cbdd61fb9@gmail.com>
	<a7a68c3a-14ee-785d-b1b0-91e14e37e40a@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <40d80344-34ea-588f-458d-67ec3e111660@kanafi.org>

On 7/6/2020 2:02 PM, Wes wrote:
> Stopping after your first sentence would have been a good idea.

But is it still available from Nifty?  I don't think so.  If I am  wrong
I will get one for myself.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

From a.durbin at msn.com  Tue Jul  7 11:36:50 2020
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 15:36:50 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] TS-590/KAT500/KPA500 Integration Project
Message-ID: <BN8PR16MB2962004AB4D65C5FAA05F6768C660@BN8PR16MB2962.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

I have mentioned my controller project in some of my posts here and several have expressed an interest in learning more about it.

Here is a link to a draft that I have been preparing for a club presentation:

https://tinyurl.com/ycrszzbe

Andy, k3wyc




From 73.de.ne1ee at gmail.com  Tue Jul  7 11:50:42 2020
From: 73.de.ne1ee at gmail.com (Rich NE1EE)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2020 11:50:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] TS-590/KAT500/KPA500 Integration Project
In-Reply-To: <BN8PR16MB2962004AB4D65C5FAA05F6768C660@BN8PR16MB2962.nampr
	d16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN8PR16MB2962004AB4D65C5FAA05F6768C660@BN8PR16MB2962.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <5f0499e9.1c69fb81.fe74f.7a37@mx.google.com>

On 2020-07-07 15:36:+0000, Andy Durbin wrote:
>I have mentioned my controller project in some of my posts here and several have expressed an interest in learning more about it.
>Here is a link to a draft that I have been preparing for a club presentation:
>https://tinyurl.com/ycrszzbe
>Andy, k3wyc

Very thorough and an impressive amount of work. Props. 

~R~
72/73 de Rich NE1EE
On the banks of the Piscataqua


From pubx1 at af2z.net  Tue Jul  7 11:58:36 2020
From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 11:58:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 under the hood
Message-ID: <31fe39c8-0c1b-d29f-9980-347f9e284da0@af2z.net>

Are there any internal shots of the K4? I haven't seen any yet.

73,
Drew
AF2Z

From dick at elecraft.com  Tue Jul  7 12:04:28 2020
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 09:04:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] TS-590/KAT500/KPA500 Integration Project
In-Reply-To: <BN8PR16MB2962004AB4D65C5FAA05F6768C660@BN8PR16MB2962.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN8PR16MB2962004AB4D65C5FAA05F6768C660@BN8PR16MB2962.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <DF07075B-E013-45DC-9A86-CD74FE3CAE43@elecraft.com>

Nice presentation, Andy!  It is an impressive effort.

73 de Dick, K6KR

> On Jul 7, 2020, at 08:38, Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I have mentioned my controller project in some of my posts here and several have expressed an interest in learning more about it.
> 
> Here is a link to a draft that I have been preparing for a club presentation:
> 
> https://tinyurl.com/ycrszzbe
> 
> Andy, k3wyc
> 
> 
> 
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From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Tue Jul  7 12:06:18 2020
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 16:06:18 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 under the hood
In-Reply-To: <31fe39c8-0c1b-d29f-9980-347f9e284da0@af2z.net>
References: <31fe39c8-0c1b-d29f-9980-347f9e284da0@af2z.net>
Message-ID: <9ABCD4BB-FB78-48C2-AE63-3FFC131CAD5D@illinois.edu>

Top secret? Chip numbers and stuff?

Chuck Jack Hawley 
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On Jul 7, 2020, at 10:58 AM, Drew AF2Z <pubx1 at af2z.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Are there any internal shots of the K4? I haven't seen any yet.
> 
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
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From pubx1 at af2z.net  Tue Jul  7 12:14:03 2020
From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 12:14:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 under the hood
In-Reply-To: <9ABCD4BB-FB78-48C2-AE63-3FFC131CAD5D@illinois.edu>
References: <31fe39c8-0c1b-d29f-9980-347f9e284da0@af2z.net>
	<9ABCD4BB-FB78-48C2-AE63-3FFC131CAD5D@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <d5af7800-3dee-3c65-77fd-8381f55773b0@af2z.net>

I dunno... I don't think there are any inside shots of the K3 either, at 
least on the Elecraft site. It seems curious to me.

I'd love to study them, but maybe it would be a bit of a "spoiler" for 
the kit guys-- unboxing the kits is a lot of fun.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 07/07/20 11:06, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
> Top secret? Chip numbers and stuff?
> 
> Chuck Jack Hawley
> KE9UW
> 
> Sent from my iPhone, cjack
> 
>> On Jul 7, 2020, at 10:58 AM, Drew AF2Z <pubx1 at af2z.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?Are there any internal shots of the K4? I haven't seen any yet.
>>
>> 73,
>> Drew
>> AF2Z
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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Tue Jul  7 12:13:47 2020
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 12:13:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 under the hood
In-Reply-To: <9ABCD4BB-FB78-48C2-AE63-3FFC131CAD5D@illinois.edu>
References: <31fe39c8-0c1b-d29f-9980-347f9e284da0@af2z.net>
	<9ABCD4BB-FB78-48C2-AE63-3FFC131CAD5D@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <81ED1677-F288-4B7D-A3F2-D1AB7E6964B9@gmail.com>

Even if that?s the case, it?s quite straightforward to redact elements of a photograph.

I just hope that when it arrives it doesn?t come with some of those pesky ?Warranty Void if Seal is Broken? things on it :-)

Grant NQ5T

> On Jul 7, 2020, at 12:06 PM, hawley, charles j jr <c-hawley at illinois.edu> wrote:
> 
> Top secret? Chip numbers and stuff?
> 
> Chuck Jack Hawley 
> KE9UW
> 
> Sent from my iPhone, cjack 
> 
>> On Jul 7, 2020, at 10:58 AM, Drew AF2Z <pubx1 at af2z.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Are there any internal shots of the K4? I haven't seen any yet.
>> 


From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Tue Jul  7 12:15:41 2020
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 16:15:41 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 under the hood
In-Reply-To: <d5af7800-3dee-3c65-77fd-8381f55773b0@af2z.net>
References: <31fe39c8-0c1b-d29f-9980-347f9e284da0@af2z.net>
	<9ABCD4BB-FB78-48C2-AE63-3FFC131CAD5D@illinois.edu>,
	<d5af7800-3dee-3c65-77fd-8381f55773b0@af2z.net>
Message-ID: <2C776ED8-6237-4DAA-98E8-FE900F61C451@illinois.edu>

I?ve been longing for inside pictures 

Chuck Jack Hawley 
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On Jul 7, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Drew AF2Z <pubx1 at af2z.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I dunno... I don't think there are any inside shots of the K3 either, at least on the Elecraft site. It seems curious to me.
> 
> I'd love to study them, but maybe it would be a bit of a "spoiler" for the kit guys-- unboxing the kits is a lot of fun.
> 
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
> 
> 
> 
>> On 07/07/20 11:06, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
>> Top secret? Chip numbers and stuff?
>> Chuck Jack Hawley
>> KE9UW
>> Sent from my iPhone, cjack
>>>> On Jul 7, 2020, at 10:58 AM, Drew AF2Z <pubx1 at af2z.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Are there any internal shots of the K4? I haven't seen any yet.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Drew
>>> AF2Z
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From w2kj at bellsouth.net  Tue Jul  7 12:20:00 2020
From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joseph Trombino, Jr)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 12:20:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 info?
References: <C4CFA513-95A5-45F2-BFDD-06665F9EAA38.ref@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <C4CFA513-95A5-45F2-BFDD-06665F9EAA38@bellsouth.net>

Howdy Gang.

Any scuttlebutt about the K4 lately?

Weren?t we supposed to get some videos on the rig along with other info?

I ordered in September of last year and certainly not getting any younger,(grin), therefore my query.

Stay healthy and keep sending them ditties.

			73, Joe W2KJ
			I QRP,  therefore I am

From ed at w0yk.com  Tue Jul  7 12:57:23 2020
From: ed at w0yk.com (Ed Muns)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 09:57:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 info?
In-Reply-To: <C4CFA513-95A5-45F2-BFDD-06665F9EAA38@bellsouth.net>
References: <C4CFA513-95A5-45F2-BFDD-06665F9EAA38.ref@bellsouth.net>
	<C4CFA513-95A5-45F2-BFDD-06665F9EAA38@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <004401d6547f$b0251b90$106f52b0$@w0yk.com>

Field Test is charging ahead with internal and external Elecraft users.  100% focus on finalizing for production shipments.  It's worth the wait.

73,
Ed W0YK

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Joseph Trombino, Jr
Sent: 07 July, 2020 09:20
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 info?

Howdy Gang.

Any scuttlebutt about the K4 lately?

Weren?t we supposed to get some videos on the rig along with other info?

I ordered in September of last year and certainly not getting any younger,(grin), therefore my query.

Stay healthy and keep sending them ditties.

			73, Joe W2KJ
			I QRP,  therefore I am
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From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Tue Jul  7 13:00:25 2020
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 17:00:25 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 under the hood
In-Reply-To: <81ED1677-F288-4B7D-A3F2-D1AB7E6964B9@gmail.com>
References: <31fe39c8-0c1b-d29f-9980-347f9e284da0@af2z.net>
	<9ABCD4BB-FB78-48C2-AE63-3FFC131CAD5D@illinois.edu>,
	<81ED1677-F288-4B7D-A3F2-D1AB7E6964B9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7AD43FF8-8450-4170-BCF7-6FF35A1D0B9A@illinois.edu>

Elecraft is one of the most hands on companies. Just super when you talk to an engineer and get advice on how to self diagnose.
Back in another life I had an HP 60 KHz antenna preamp fail. Talking to an HP engineer, he suggested that he had one of those in his desk drawer and would pop it in the mail. That?s what I look for with ham radio purchases.

Chuck Jack Hawley 
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On Jul 7, 2020, at 11:16 AM, Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Even if that?s the case, it?s quite straightforward to redact elements of a photograph.
> 
> I just hope that when it arrives it doesn?t come with some of those pesky ?Warranty Void if Seal is Broken? things on it :-)
> 
> Grant NQ5T
> 
>> On Jul 7, 2020, at 12:06 PM, hawley, charles j jr <c-hawley at illinois.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Top secret? Chip numbers and stuff?
>> 
>> Chuck Jack Hawley 
>> KE9UW
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone, cjack 
>> 
>>>> On Jul 7, 2020, at 10:58 AM, Drew AF2Z <pubx1 at af2z.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Are there any internal shots of the K4? I haven't seen any yet.
>>> 
> 
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From ab4iq at comcast.net  Tue Jul  7 13:30:33 2020
From: ab4iq at comcast.net (Ed Pflueger)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 12:30:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 under the hood
In-Reply-To: <d5af7800-3dee-3c65-77fd-8381f55773b0@af2z.net>
References: <31fe39c8-0c1b-d29f-9980-347f9e284da0@af2z.net>	<9ABCD4BB-FB78-48C2-AE63-3FFC131CAD5D@illinois.edu>
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I have a friend that asked a manufacture what was the difference between the one model and the new model.  The manufacture said "INTERNAL COMPONENTS".  Just got thru mowing a couple of acres and it's hot in Kentucky.

Ed.. AB4IQ

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Drew AF2Z
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 11:14 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 under the hood

I dunno... I don't think there are any inside shots of the K3 either, at least on the Elecraft site. It seems curious to me.

I'd love to study them, but maybe it would be a bit of a "spoiler" for the kit guys-- unboxing the kits is a lot of fun.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 07/07/20 11:06, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
> Top secret? Chip numbers and stuff?
> 
> Chuck Jack Hawley
> KE9UW
> 
> Sent from my iPhone, cjack
> 
>> On Jul 7, 2020, at 10:58 AM, Drew AF2Z <pubx1 at af2z.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?Are there any internal shots of the K4? I haven't seen any yet.
>>
>> 73,
>> Drew
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From ted.roycraft at gmail.com  Tue Jul  7 13:31:28 2020
From: ted.roycraft at gmail.com (Ted Roycraft)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 13:31:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 info?
In-Reply-To: <004401d6547f$b0251b90$106f52b0$@w0yk.com>
References: <C4CFA513-95A5-45F2-BFDD-06665F9EAA38.ref@bellsouth.net>
	<C4CFA513-95A5-45F2-BFDD-06665F9EAA38@bellsouth.net>
	<004401d6547f$b0251b90$106f52b0$@w0yk.com>
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Maybe it?s apples and oranges but does anyone know how long field testing
went on for the K3 before the first shipments were made to purchasers?

73, Ted, W2ZK

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 12:58 PM Ed Muns <ed at w0yk.com> wrote:

> Field Test is charging ahead with internal and external Elecraft users.
> 100% focus on finalizing for production shipments.  It's worth the wait.
>
> 73,
> Ed W0YK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> On Behalf Of Joseph Trombino, Jr
> Sent: 07 July, 2020 09:20
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K4 info?
>
> Howdy Gang.
>
> Any scuttlebutt about the K4 lately?
>
> Weren?t we supposed to get some videos on the rig along with other info?
>
> I ordered in September of last year and certainly not getting any
> younger,(grin), therefore my query.
>
> Stay healthy and keep sending them ditties.
>
>                         73, Joe W2KJ
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From ed at w0yk.com  Tue Jul  7 14:32:08 2020
From: ed at w0yk.com (Ed W0YK)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2020 11:32:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 info?
In-Reply-To: <CAEhjuxGsP+o4r2KxVGOBCHyCgfjyUUmmLtOkUFrA08oXoiUOsQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.88.1594146765.3112.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Don't recall exactly on the K3, but it was a few weeks I think.? ?Eric may remember.? OTOH, the KPA500 and KPA1500 were just a couple days before production units began shipping.? ?Still, the field testers gave a lot of input for FW updates before regular customers turned on their amplifiers.Each product is unique in this regard and production release is paced by field test closing the top feedback.? As we all know, free FW improvements continue the life of Elecraft products.?73,Ed W0YK
-------- Original message --------From: Ted Roycraft <ted.roycraft at gmail.com> Date: 7/7/20  10:31  (GMT-08:00) To: ed at w0yk.com Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net, "Joseph Trombino, Jr" <w2kj at bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 info? Maybe it?s apples and oranges but does anyone know how long field testing went on for the K3 before the first shipments were made to purchasers?73, Ted, W2ZKOn Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 12:58 PM Ed Muns <ed at w0yk.com> wrote:Field Test is charging ahead with internal and external Elecraft users.? 100% focus on finalizing for production shipments.? It's worth the wait.

73,
Ed W0YK

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Joseph Trombino, Jr
Sent: 07 July, 2020 09:20
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 info?

Howdy Gang.

Any scuttlebutt about the K4 lately?

Weren?t we supposed to get some videos on the rig along with other info?

I ordered in September of last year and certainly not getting any younger,(grin), therefore my query.

Stay healthy and keep sending them ditties.

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 73, Joe W2KJ
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? I QRP,? therefore I am
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From nv4c.ian at gmail.com  Tue Jul  7 14:53:14 2020
From: nv4c.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn, NV4C)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 14:53:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 info?
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References: <C4CFA513-95A5-45F2-BFDD-06665F9EAA38.ref@bellsouth.net>
	<C4CFA513-95A5-45F2-BFDD-06665F9EAA38@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <d2aca8f1-8111-4384-2c42-c45f810b02d0@gmail.com>

I would suggest that, due to the unusual times in which we live, we 
can't accurately compare the K4 test cycle to anything previous. And, we 
need to account for all that in our expectations around completing 
testing, implementing new features, and product ship dates/delays.

73 de,

Ian, NV4C


On 7/7/20 12:20 PM, Joseph Trombino, Jr wrote:
> Howdy Gang.
>
> Any scuttlebutt about the K4 lately?
>
> Weren?t we supposed to get some videos on the rig along with other info?
>
> I ordered in September of last year and certainly not getting any younger,(grin), therefore my query.
>
> Stay healthy and keep sending them ditties.
>
> 			73, Joe W2KJ
> 			I QRP,  therefore I am
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From ockmrzr at gmail.com  Tue Jul  7 15:43:01 2020
From: ockmrzr at gmail.com (ockmrzr at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 12:43:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 For Sale (Upgraded!)
Message-ID: <10f701d65496$d48f0a60$7dad1f20$@gmail.com>

FOR SALE:

 

Elecraft K3/100-F

Includes:

-KRX3 Sub-Receiver

-KSYN3A Synthesizer Board upgrade (main & sub RX)

-KAT3A 100W Automatic Antenna Tuner

-KXV3B Transverter upgrade

-KIO3B Interface upgrade

-Filters (main RX)

* KFLA3A-2.8-IR, 2.8 kHz SSB

*KFLA3A-1.0-IR, 1.0 kHz CW/DATA

*KFLA3C-400, 400 Hz CW/DATA

*KFLA3A-250-IR, 250Hz 8 Pole CW/DATA

-Filters (sub RX)

*KFLA3A-1.0-IR, 1.0 kHz CW/DATA

 

Total Package New: $5479.94.

**Photos Available

 

This is essentially a K3s!  This is a great rig for Chasing DX or
Contesting.

 

Asking $3250.00 - shipped CONUS

This price will cover shipping and PayPal fees (if used); will ship in
original Elecraft Box

 

I accept PayPal or Money Order

 

Email me directly at: ockmrzr at gmail.com <mailto:ockmrzr at gmail.net> 

 

73 de Bruce, N7TY

Yuma, AZ

www.qsl.net/n7ty <http://www.qsl.net/n7ty> 

 


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Tue Jul  7 16:51:47 2020
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 13:51:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 info?
In-Reply-To: <d2aca8f1-8111-4384-2c42-c45f810b02d0@gmail.com>
References: <C4CFA513-95A5-45F2-BFDD-06665F9EAA38.ref@bellsouth.net>
	<C4CFA513-95A5-45F2-BFDD-06665F9EAA38@bellsouth.net>
	<d2aca8f1-8111-4384-2c42-c45f810b02d0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <441DFD1A-9342-4333-9F9A-1F3919516D3B@elecraft.com>

> Weren?t we supposed to get some videos on the rig along with other info?


Eric and Margaret were planning to release some new K4 material but got sidetracked because of the upcoming The Expo -- in effect, a virtual replacement for Dayton (see www.qsotodayhamexpo.com). Elecraft is a gold sponsor of this on-line event, which happens August 8-9. 

We're working on new product videos, etc., which I'm sure will be shared with everyone at some point.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



From macymonkeys at charter.net  Tue Jul  7 17:18:45 2020
From: macymonkeys at charter.net (Macy monkeys)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 14:18:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 info?
In-Reply-To: <441DFD1A-9342-4333-9F9A-1F3919516D3B@elecraft.com>
References: <C4CFA513-95A5-45F2-BFDD-06665F9EAA38.ref@bellsouth.net>
	<C4CFA513-95A5-45F2-BFDD-06665F9EAA38@bellsouth.net>
	<d2aca8f1-8111-4384-2c42-c45f810b02d0@gmail.com>
	<441DFD1A-9342-4333-9F9A-1F3919516D3B@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <B6A641DC-3D80-474B-ADDF-751163E8C38B@charter.net>


I just registered for my free ticket to the ham expo; just looking at the speaker list alone, this ought to be an awesome event!

John K7FD

On Jul 7, 2020, at 1:51 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

>> Weren?t we supposed to get some videos on the rig along with other info?
> 
> 
> Eric and Margaret were planning to release some new K4 material but got sidetracked because of the upcoming The Expo -- in effect, a virtual replacement for Dayton (see www.qsotodayhamexpo.com). Elecraft is a gold sponsor of this on-line event, which happens August 8-9. 
> 
> We're working on new product videos, etc., which I'm sure will be shared with everyone at some point.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
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From w4kx at mac.com  Tue Jul  7 18:14:07 2020
From: w4kx at mac.com (Tom Doligalski)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 18:14:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 info?
In-Reply-To: <B6A641DC-3D80-474B-ADDF-751163E8C38B@charter.net>
References: <C4CFA513-95A5-45F2-BFDD-06665F9EAA38.ref@bellsouth.net>
	<C4CFA513-95A5-45F2-BFDD-06665F9EAA38@bellsouth.net>
	<d2aca8f1-8111-4384-2c42-c45f810b02d0@gmail.com>
	<441DFD1A-9342-4333-9F9A-1F3919516D3B@elecraft.com>
	<B6A641DC-3D80-474B-ADDF-751163E8C38B@charter.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.89.1594160052.3112.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

I?m registered too! Sue wish there was a more detailed agenda!!

Tom W4KX

From: Macy monkeys
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 5:19 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 info?


I just registered for my free ticket to the ham expo; just looking at the speaker list alone, this ought to be an awesome event!

John K7FD

On Jul 7, 2020, at 1:51 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

>> Weren?t we supposed to get some videos on the rig along with other info?
> 
> 
> Eric and Margaret were planning to release some new K4 material but got sidetracked because of the upcoming The Expo -- in effect, a virtual replacement for Dayton (see www.qsotodayhamexpo.com). Elecraft is a gold sponsor of this on-line event, which happens August 8-9. 
> 
> We're working on new product videos, etc., which I'm sure will be shared with everyone at some point.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
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From n4zr at comcast.net  Tue Jul  7 21:06:41 2020
From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 21:06:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Online Ham Expo, was Re:  K4 info?
In-Reply-To: <B6A641DC-3D80-474B-ADDF-751163E8C38B@charter.net>
References: <C4CFA513-95A5-45F2-BFDD-06665F9EAA38.ref@bellsouth.net>
	<C4CFA513-95A5-45F2-BFDD-06665F9EAA38@bellsouth.net>
	<d2aca8f1-8111-4384-2c42-c45f810b02d0@gmail.com>
	<441DFD1A-9342-4333-9F9A-1F3919516D3B@elecraft.com>
	<B6A641DC-3D80-474B-ADDF-751163E8C38B@charter.net>
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Me too - it looks like a good thing!

73, Pete N4ZR
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On 7/7/2020 5:18 PM, Macy monkeys wrote:
> I just registered for my free ticket to the ham expo; just looking at the speaker list alone, this ought to be an awesome event!
>
> John K7FD
>
> On Jul 7, 2020, at 1:51 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>
>>> Weren?t we supposed to get some videos on the rig along with other info?
>>
>> Eric and Margaret were planning to release some new K4 material but got sidetracked because of the upcoming The Expo -- in effect, a virtual replacement for Dayton (see www.qsotodayhamexpo.com). Elecraft is a gold sponsor of this on-line event, which happens August 8-9.
>>
>> We're working on new product videos, etc., which I'm sure will be shared with everyone at some point.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
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From elanzl at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jul  7 21:16:03 2020
From: elanzl at sbcglobal.net (Eric Lanzl)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 01:16:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Net for 7-5-2020
References: <1800248933.3261123.1594170963745.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1800248933.3261123.1594170963745@mail.yahoo.com>

Here is the list of stations checking in to the SSB Net Sunday July 5th, 2020. The 20 m net meets at 1800Z on a frequency 14.303.5. There is a 40m net at 18:45Z at 7.280. We now have an 80 m net on 3.940 at 0100Z. 

Eric WB9JNZ


Call???????????? Name????? State?????? Radio????? Serial #?? QRP???????????????????????????????????????? Notes

WB9JNZ????????? ? Eric?????????????? ? IL??????????????????? K3???????????????? ?? 4017????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? NetControl

K8NU??????????????? Carl??????????????? OH??????????????? ?? K3S??????????????? 10996??????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

N4NRW????????? ?? Roger??????? ? ? SC???????????????? ? K3???????????????? ? ? 1318????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? RelayStation 

NC0JW???????? ? ?? Jim???????????????? CO??????????????? ? KX3???????????? ? ? ? 1356????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? RelayStation 

KB9AVO??????? ? ? Paul???????????? ? IN???????????????? ?? K3S????????????????? 11103??????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

KO5V??????????????? Jim???????????????? NM???????????? ? ?? K2/100??????? ? ? ?? 7225????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? RelayStation 

KC1ACL??????????? Steve????????? ?? NM????????????? ? ? KX3????????????? ? ? 10677??????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

WM6P???????? ? ??? Steve??????? ? ?? GA?????????????? ?? K3S?????????????? ?? 11453??????????? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????? RelayStation 

N6JW??????????????? John??????????? ?? CA?????????????? ?? K3??????????????? ? ? ? ? 936??????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????????????? RelayStation 

WW4JF???????? ? ? John???????????? ? TN????????????????? K3S????????????? ? ? 11177??????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

N0MPM??????? ? ?? Mike???????? ? ? ?? IA?????????????????? K3S????????????????? 10514??????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

N6PGQ????????? ?? Bob????????????? ? CA????????????????? K3???????????????? ? ? ? 5891????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

W1DFB???????????? Don????????????? ? AZ????????????????? K3???????????????? ? ? ? 2937????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

K6WDE???????????? David????????? ?? CA??????????????? ? KX3???????????? ? ? ? ? 4599????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

K7BRR????????????? Bill????????????????? AZ????????????????? K3S?????????????? ? ? 10939??????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

K4GCJ????????????? Garry????????? ? ? NC???????????????? K3??????????????? ? ? ? ? 1597????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

W4DML???????? ? ? Doug??????????? ? TN???????????????? K3???????????????? ? ? ?? 6433????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

K4AMQ?????????? ?? Alan?????????? ? ? TN???????????????? K3S?????????????? ? ?? 10917??????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

KS6F???????????????? Guy ?????????????? CA???????????????? K3S?????????????????? 11672??????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

N8VZ?????????????? ? Carl??????????????? OH???????????????? K3??????????????? ? ? ?? 5946????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

KB6TAZ????????? ?? Jon??????????? ? ?? CA???????????????? Yaesu????????? ? FT 2000??????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

N0HIU??????????? ? ? Jack???????????? ?? KS????????????????? Yaesu????????? ? ?? 897 D??????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

W7QHD???????? ? ? Kurt??????????? ? ? AZ????????????????? K2/100??????? ? ? ?? 1538????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

WE6R??????????????? Keith?????????? ?? CA?????????????? ?? K3??????????????????? ? 7989????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

AE6JV???????????? ?? Bill????????????????? NH?????????????? ?? K3???????????????????? 6299????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

NS7P???????????????? Phil?????????????? ? OR???????????????? K3???????????????? ? ?? 1826????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

N7YW??????????????? Ken????????????? ?? AZ????????????????? K3??????????????? ? ? ? 8183????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

?

From dxdx at optonline.net  Tue Jul  7 21:41:05 2020
From: dxdx at optonline.net (Tony)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 21:41:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Used K1 Has Issues - Need Advise
Message-ID: <1a11c53b-e40c-076e-44ab-7f254e6b93cb@optonline.net>

All:

I purchased a used K1 which looks to be in great shape, but it does have 
a few issues. The first is that it produces distortion on 30 meters with 
side-bands that appear across the spectrum. There's no distortion on 20 
or 40 meters so the condition is unique to 30 meters.

The other issue is with 17 meters. I measured 8 watts output on this 
band (external watt-meter) but the signal does not show up anywhere on 
the 17 meter band. The receiver appear to be working, but it's not 
receiving 17 meter signals.

I'm hoping these are minor issues that someone on the reflector maybe 
familiar with. The rig ( s/n 554 ) appears to be in excellent shape 
inside and out and the build quality is very good.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Tony -K2MO


From norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 07:00:15 2020
From: norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com (Eric Norris)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 04:00:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 max heat sink temp?
Message-ID: <CAJSJeL0ivj7eavBzkhfP4-svRRvEkEb28bWfgSZ4vBM9awiTQA@mail.gmail.com>

I just read in the current KPA500 Manual that max heat sink temp is 90C.
Is this true for my first-year production KPA500?  I seem to remember
somethink like 75C.  I cant find my old manual.

73 Eric WD6DBM

From ockmrzr at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 08:42:40 2020
From: ockmrzr at gmail.com (ockmrzr at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 05:42:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 For Sale (New Price!)
Message-ID: <157a01d65525$466df310$d349d930$@gmail.com>

FOR SALE:

 

Elecraft K3/100-F

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-KRX3 Sub-Receiver

-KSYN3A Synthesizer Board upgrade (main & sub RX)

-KAT3A 100W Automatic Antenna Tuner

-KXV3B Transverter upgrade

-KIO3B Interface upgrade

-Filters (main RX)

* KFLA3A-2.8-IR, 2.8 kHz SSB

*KFLA3A-1.0-IR, 1.0 kHz CW/DATA

*KFLA3C-400, 400 Hz CW/DATA

*KFLA3A-250-IR, 250Hz 8 Pole CW/DATA

-Filters (sub RX)

*KFLA3A-1.0-IR, 1.0 kHz CW/DATA

 

Total Package New: $5479.94.

**Photos Available

 

This is essentially a K3s!  This is a great rig for Chasing DX or
Contesting.

 

Asking $2850.00 - shipped CONUS

This price will cover shipping and PayPal fees (if used); will ship in
original Elecraft Box

 

I accept PayPal or Money Order

 

Email me directly at: ockmrzr at gmail.com <mailto:ockmrzr at gmail.net> 

 

73 de Bruce, N7TY

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From ernie at netvision.net.il  Wed Jul  8 09:07:28 2020
From: ernie at netvision.net.il (TL_Netvision)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2020 16:07:28 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Schematics for KPA500 REV "B"
Message-ID: <004301d65528$bb3edbc0$31bc9340$@netvision.net.il>

Hello all,

I have a PA board with "REV B" "silked" on it, but the schema I was supplied with is for  "REV A".
I know there are differences. 

Anyone has the correct schema or some errata for " REV A " please?


TIA
Isaac 

 

(FWIW ? can?t tell why is it soooooooooooooooo hard to obtain a proper KPA500 schematics? Every once in a while the question pops up & remains un-addressed.)

 



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From w4sc at windstream.net  Wed Jul  8 09:28:24 2020
From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 09:28:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  Schematics for KPA500 REV "B"
Message-ID: <46.A4.03891.7F9C50F5@smtp04.aqua.bos.sync.lan>

The ?Rev? that is silkscreened on the board reflects the revision level of the bare board, NOT the assembly revision level of the module which will reflect changes made to the module and could any component, hardware, or circuit changes.  The module revision level should be reflected on an attached label, written on the pwb (i.e. ?ASSY C2?) in a conspicuous location, or not(?).

Ben W4SC

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From a.durbin at msn.com  Wed Jul  8 09:34:54 2020
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 13:34:54 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Schematics for KPA500 REV "B"
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB29685E5632879629CCFEE7C58C670@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"I have a PA board with "REV B" "silked" on it, but the schema I was supplied with is for "REV A". I know there are differences."

I received KPA500 schematics from Elecraft about 2 years ago.  This set includes sheets that are at rev C and rev D but the sheet "KPA 500 PA Module" is rev A.

KPA500 LPF Bank, LPF Control, and TR Switch are all rev D

I don't know the history of changes to the PA board but it would be possible to have a change to the PCB that did not require a change to the schematic - e.g. elimination of corrections made by cuts and jumpers.

If there is a later version of the sheet "KPA 500 PA Module" I would like to have it too.

(Pedant alert - The schematic really is titled "KPA 500" with a space, not "KPA500")

Andy, k3wyc

From w4sc at windstream.net  Wed Jul  8 10:06:03 2020
From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 10:06:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  Schematics for KPA500 REV "B"
Message-ID: <C1.79.21467.AC2D50F5@smtp01.aqua.bos.sync.lan>

You are correct in your assertions,,,  However you can/could/may have pwb changes to improve finished module performance, or cost, resulting in a new pwb with a lower rev level as its? procurement part number would certainly change, and also resulting in a module assembly revision level change ( B to C?) and quite possibly an assembly part number and rev level change.   It is all about tracking, and being able to determine (hopefully) what you are looking at and what documentation (schematics?) to relate to.

Ben

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From ernie at netvision.net.il  Wed Jul  8 10:54:57 2020
From: ernie at netvision.net.il (TL_Netvision)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2020 17:54:57 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Schematics for KPA500 REV "B"
In-Reply-To: <46.A4.03891.7F9C50F5@smtp04.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
References: <46.A4.03891.7F9C50F5@smtp04.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
Message-ID: <005401d65537$bf6703d0$3e350b70$@netvision.net.il>

Thanks for clarifying.

 

So what can I understand from a small white label on the board, saying this: ?


17226

0812B

OO31

 

 

I Am asking for the proper schematics because I can?t locate a certain 270 Ohm resistor on my physical PA board. 

This resistor appears on a ?REV ?? schematics from 02/16/11 (it?s part of the input attenuator I think).

 

Isaac, 4Z1TL

 

???: w4sc <w4sc at windstream.net> 
????: Wednesday, 8 July 2020 16:28
??: ernie at netvision.net.il; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
????: [Elecraft] Schematics for KPA500 REV "B"

 

The ?Rev? that is silkscreened on the board reflects the revision level of the bare board, NOT the assembly revision level of the module which will reflect changes made to the module and could any component, hardware, or circuit changes.  The module revision level should be reflected on an attached label, written on the pwb (i.e. ?ASSY C2?) in a conspicuous location, or not(?).

 

Ben W4SC

 

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From comichaven at charter.net  Wed Jul  8 13:32:55 2020
From: comichaven at charter.net (Wb9msm)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 10:32:55 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: *****NIFTY MANUAL FOR K2*****
In-Reply-To: <1594052465333-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1594052465333-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1594229575591-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

I would like to let everyone know that I contacted Nifty Manuals about the K2
Manual.  It is DISCONTINUED and is not produced any longer.  It is not
available to purchase new from them.



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From gregg.w6izt1 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 14:33:27 2020
From: gregg.w6izt1 at gmail.com (gregg.w6izt1 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 18:33:27 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT SpectraVue 3.39 crashes
Message-ID: <011f01d65556$45cd5000$d167f000$@gmail.com>

I'm using a SDR-IQ and SpectraVue as a panadapter with my K3. I had some stability issues with my shack PC running Win 10 a few days ago that appear to have been mostly resolved with the exception of SpectraVue now crashes after running for a few minutes. I've uninstalled and installed the application and I've eliminated any possible HW issues as the cause. I hoping that someone out there in Elecraft land has run across this and discovered the fix that so far has evaded me.

Thanks in advance
73
Gregg
W6IZT


From w4sc at windstream.net  Wed Jul  8 15:29:04 2020
From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 15:29:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  OT SpectraVue 3.39 crashes
Message-ID: <98.D1.21467.F7E160F5@smtp01.aqua.bos.sync.lan>

Gregg

If you have had a Win10 update lately, and the ?NEW? Edge browser installed,, well,,!!!,,. 

I had an issue about 3 weeks ago after a Win10 dll became ?missing? or corrupted.  Reloaded C++ x86 redistrib package from MS fixed it.  This may NOT be your issue.  However I have noticed SpectraVue does not operate as smoothly as it once did, as the waterfall freezes momentarily when demod frequency is changed .  Its run ?priority? may be low now?  I haven?t had time to look into this issue yet for a fix.  I don?t believe it is an issue with S?Vue S/W you are having.

Ben
W4SC

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From ak5x at me.com  Wed Jul  8 16:00:37 2020
From: ak5x at me.com (William Hammond)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 15:00:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 max heat sink temp?
In-Reply-To: <CAJSJeL0ivj7eavBzkhfP4-svRRvEkEb28bWfgSZ4vBM9awiTQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJSJeL0ivj7eavBzkhfP4-svRRvEkEb28bWfgSZ4vBM9awiTQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E11901D9-06F9-49DB-B7DC-0215AD14EE9D@me.com>

Hi Eric, My manual (revision B, 2011) that came with my SN 0149 says 90C maximum, page14 in the specifications.  It also says drive power 30-40 watts for 500 out and I have never beed even close to that, usually 22-26 watts drive.  

FYI,
Bill-AK5X

> On Jul 8, 2020, at 6:00 AM, Eric Norris <norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I just read in the current KPA500 Manual that max heat sink temp is 90C.
> Is this true for my first-year production KPA500?  I seem to remember
> somethink like 75C.  I cant find my old manual.
> 
> 73 Eric WD6DBM
> ______________________________________________________________
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From jackbrindle at me.com  Wed Jul  8 16:16:51 2020
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 13:16:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 max heat sink temp?
In-Reply-To: <E11901D9-06F9-49DB-B7DC-0215AD14EE9D@me.com>
References: <CAJSJeL0ivj7eavBzkhfP4-svRRvEkEb28bWfgSZ4vBM9awiTQA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E11901D9-06F9-49DB-B7DC-0215AD14EE9D@me.com>
Message-ID: <E54BA1BC-798F-41F8-83E1-B89BC919B175@me.com>

I can confirm that KPA500 V1.00 firmware, which was the first released, had a max temperature of 90 degrees C. This has not been changed in any subsequent code.

As for the input power, the amplifier has improved over time. My original prototype KPA500 requires power in the range described (about 35 - 40 watts), while my new one (just over a year old) needs about 20 or so watts. Both are great amps!

73!
Jack, W6FB


> On Jul 8, 2020, at 1:00 PM, William Hammond via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Eric, My manual (revision B, 2011) that came with my SN 0149 says 90C maximum, page14 in the specifications.  It also says drive power 30-40 watts for 500 out and I have never beed even close to that, usually 22-26 watts drive.  
> 
> FYI,
> Bill-AK5X
> 
>> On Jul 8, 2020, at 6:00 AM, Eric Norris <norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I just read in the current KPA500 Manual that max heat sink temp is 90C.
>> Is this true for my first-year production KPA500?  I seem to remember
>> somethink like 75C.  I cant find my old manual.
>> 
>> 73 Eric WD6DBM
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 17:11:48 2020
From: norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com (Eric Norris)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 14:11:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 max heat sink temp?
In-Reply-To: <E54BA1BC-798F-41F8-83E1-B89BC919B175@me.com>
References: <CAJSJeL0ivj7eavBzkhfP4-svRRvEkEb28bWfgSZ4vBM9awiTQA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E11901D9-06F9-49DB-B7DC-0215AD14EE9D@me.com>
	<E54BA1BC-798F-41F8-83E1-B89BC919B175@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAJSJeL0JjVBR6cu_6Fv_mZk=ucNxPZQSeZFwrhz6NnOXKuAjmw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Jack!  Now the only question is, is the KPA500 a great amp, or the
greatest amp ever?  I'm in the second camp.

73.5  Eric WD6DBM

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 1:16 PM Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com> wrote:

> I can confirm that KPA500 V1.00 firmware, which was the first released,
> had a max temperature of 90 degrees C. This has not been changed in any
> subsequent code.
>
> As for the input power, the amplifier has improved over time. My original
> prototype KPA500 requires power in the range described (about 35 - 40
> watts), while my new one (just over a year old) needs about 20 or so watts.
> Both are great amps!
>
> 73!
> Jack, W6FB
>
>
> > On Jul 8, 2020, at 1:00 PM, William Hammond via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Eric, My manual (revision B, 2011) that came with my SN 0149 says 90C
> maximum, page14 in the specifications.  It also says drive power 30-40
> watts for 500 out and I have never beed even close to that, usually 22-26
> watts drive.
> >
> > FYI,
> > Bill-AK5X
> >
> >> On Jul 8, 2020, at 6:00 AM, Eric Norris <norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I just read in the current KPA500 Manual that max heat sink temp is 90C.
> >> Is this true for my first-year production KPA500?  I seem to remember
> >> somethink like 75C.  I cant find my old manual.
> >>
> >> 73 Eric WD6DBM
> >> ______________________________________________________________
> >> Elecraft mailing list
> >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From rick.nk7i at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 17:33:21 2020
From: rick.nk7i at gmail.com (Rick Bates, NK7I)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 14:33:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 max heat sink temp?
In-Reply-To: <CAJSJeL0JjVBR6cu_6Fv_mZk=ucNxPZQSeZFwrhz6NnOXKuAjmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJSJeL0ivj7eavBzkhfP4-svRRvEkEb28bWfgSZ4vBM9awiTQA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E11901D9-06F9-49DB-B7DC-0215AD14EE9D@me.com>
	<E54BA1BC-798F-41F8-83E1-B89BC919B175@me.com>
	<CAJSJeL0JjVBR6cu_6Fv_mZk=ucNxPZQSeZFwrhz6NnOXKuAjmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a5777083-f2d7-c2a7-5571-4a2459f9ec05@gmail.com>

Then you haven't used a KPA1500.

Rick NK7I


On 7/8/2020 2:11 PM, Eric Norris wrote:
> Thanks, Jack!  Now the only question is, is the KPA500 a great amp, or the
> greatest amp ever?  I'm in the second camp.
>
> 73.5  Eric WD6DBM
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 1:16 PM Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com> wrote:
>
>> I can confirm that KPA500 V1.00 firmware, which was the first released,
>> had a max temperature of 90 degrees C. This has not been changed in any
>> subsequent code.
>>
>> As for the input power, the amplifier has improved over time. My original
>> prototype KPA500 requires power in the range described (about 35 - 40
>> watts), while my new one (just over a year old) needs about 20 or so watts.
>> Both are great amps!
>>
>> 73!
>> Jack, W6FB
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 8, 2020, at 1:00 PM, William Hammond via Elecraft <
>> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>> Hi Eric, My manual (revision B, 2011) that came with my SN 0149 says 90C
>> maximum, page14 in the specifications.  It also says drive power 30-40
>> watts for 500 out and I have never beed even close to that, usually 22-26
>> watts drive.
>>> FYI,
>>> Bill-AK5X
>>>
>>>> On Jul 8, 2020, at 6:00 AM, Eric Norris <norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> I just read in the current KPA500 Manual that max heat sink temp is 90C.
>>>> Is this true for my first-year production KPA500?  I seem to remember
>>>> somethink like 75C.  I cant find my old manual.
>>>>
>>>> 73 Eric WD6DBM
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>>>>
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>>
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From KI4LYS at msn.com  Wed Jul  8 20:10:01 2020
From: KI4LYS at msn.com (Joseph McIntire)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 00:10:01 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] xv transverters
Message-ID: <BN7PR15MB22267C2DF3287A627158A74795640@BN7PR15MB2226.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

I have two I need some help with neither one works or ever did. I believe I did every thing correct and believed something happened in trying to set them up to do the alignment procedures. But the power indicator came on till I hooked them up to do the alignment. I really cant see paying shipping and $125 an hour to get something fixed that cost $369.00 new. But they must be pretty fickle if one miss step in the setup takes them out. Just hate to see $700. 00 go down the drain.

Joe AB3JN

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From norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 20:08:57 2020
From: norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com (Eric Norris)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 17:08:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 max heat sink temp?
In-Reply-To: <a5777083-f2d7-c2a7-5571-4a2459f9ec05@gmail.com>
References: <CAJSJeL0ivj7eavBzkhfP4-svRRvEkEb28bWfgSZ4vBM9awiTQA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E11901D9-06F9-49DB-B7DC-0215AD14EE9D@me.com>
	<E54BA1BC-798F-41F8-83E1-B89BC919B175@me.com>
	<CAJSJeL0JjVBR6cu_6Fv_mZk=ucNxPZQSeZFwrhz6NnOXKuAjmw@mail.gmail.com>
	<a5777083-f2d7-c2a7-5571-4a2459f9ec05@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJSJeL3sBiD_Mu-p9JiRrn2XSd1Yu1d=caCbwLen0AA6tZc8bg@mail.gmail.com>

Actually, I have, Rick.  The KPA1500 is the second greatest amplifier in
the history of the solar system.   It's a BattleBot, a monster, the
doomsday legal-limit amplifier.  But the KPA500 is tiny, and so quiet that
I can run it in the same room where the XYL watches TV.  My cat "Bubs"
McLovin does not even stir from his dreams of taking down a Cape Buffalo
when the KPA500 hits FAN3.

73 Eric WD6DBM

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 2:34 PM Rick Bates, NK7I <rick.nk7i at gmail.com> wrote:

> Then you haven't used a KPA1500.
>
> Rick NK7I
>
>
> On 7/8/2020 2:11 PM, Eric Norris wrote:
> > Thanks, Jack!  Now the only question is, is the KPA500 a great amp, or
> the
> > greatest amp ever?  I'm in the second camp.
> >
> > 73.5  Eric WD6DBM
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 1:16 PM Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I can confirm that KPA500 V1.00 firmware, which was the first released,
> >> had a max temperature of 90 degrees C. This has not been changed in any
> >> subsequent code.
> >>
> >> As for the input power, the amplifier has improved over time. My
> original
> >> prototype KPA500 requires power in the range described (about 35 - 40
> >> watts), while my new one (just over a year old) needs about 20 or so
> watts.
> >> Both are great amps!
> >>
> >> 73!
> >> Jack, W6FB
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jul 8, 2020, at 1:00 PM, William Hammond via Elecraft <
> >> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> >>> Hi Eric, My manual (revision B, 2011) that came with my SN 0149 says
> 90C
> >> maximum, page14 in the specifications.  It also says drive power 30-40
> >> watts for 500 out and I have never beed even close to that, usually
> 22-26
> >> watts drive.
> >>> FYI,
> >>> Bill-AK5X
> >>>
> >>>> On Jul 8, 2020, at 6:00 AM, Eric Norris <norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>> I just read in the current KPA500 Manual that max heat sink temp is
> 90C.
> >>>> Is this true for my first-year production KPA500?  I seem to remember
> >>>> somethink like 75C.  I cant find my old manual.
> >>>>
> >>>> 73 Eric WD6DBM
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From wc2l at wc2l.com  Wed Jul  8 20:52:46 2020
From: wc2l at wc2l.com (William Liporace)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 20:52:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] RemoteRig Help
Message-ID: <d8493d5d-191b-ef73-fd46-375cdbc892e5@wc2l.com>

Thought I would throw this out there..

I have a K3/0 mini, K3S and a RemoteRig setup.. To the best of my 
knowledge it was all working. I had pulled the plug a while back. Lots 
of things going on and decided to offer the station to a friend. I can't 
see to make it work. Anyone have great radio and RCC instructions or 
have a few minutes to walk me through this??

TNX Will WC2L

-- 
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http://www.wc2l.com or http://dxc.wc2l.com
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wc2l at wc2l.com


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Jul  8 21:33:06 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 21:33:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] xv transverters
In-Reply-To: <BN7PR15MB22267C2DF3287A627158A74795640@BN7PR15MB2226.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN7PR15MB22267C2DF3287A627158A74795640@BN7PR15MB2226.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1cffc665-9c7b-95be-60d1-b842effab03c@embarqmail.com>

Joe,

Instead of daisy-chaining all the transverters, try connecting only one 
at a time (you should be able to use the daisy-chain control cable, but 
connect the TX and RX coax directly fron the K2/K3/K3S to the transverter.

Then tell us what the particular problems are with each transveter.  We 
cannot give much advice on "It just does not work right".

73,
Don W3FPR


On 7/8/2020 8:10 PM, Joseph McIntire wrote:
> I have two I need some help with neither one works or ever did. I believe I did every thing correct and believed something happened in trying to set them up to do the alignment procedures. But the power indicator came on till I hooked them up to do the alignment. I really cant see paying shipping and $125 an hour to get something fixed that cost $369.00 new. But they must be pretty fickle if one miss step in the setup takes them out. Just hate to see $700. 00 go down the drain.
> 

From dave.w0zf at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 23:46:40 2020
From: dave.w0zf at gmail.com (Dave Fugleberg)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 22:46:40 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] xv transverters
In-Reply-To: <1cffc665-9c7b-95be-60d1-b842effab03c@embarqmail.com>
References: <BN7PR15MB22267C2DF3287A627158A74795640@BN7PR15MB2226.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
	<1cffc665-9c7b-95be-60d1-b842effab03c@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF==Uf119UnaZj6=atfUqkc3nJ6iCwi9Ysk96chM0Ccvwr_vQg@mail.gmail.com>

I built three of them (144, 222, 432) and have used them with my K3 in my
contest rover for several years. They are solid performers, and they work
seamlessly with the K3.

Since they can be used with many kinds of radios in many configurations,
there are a number of jumpers and connections you must set correctly to
make them work in your specific setup.
What radio are you using for the IF?

Don?s advice is spot on (as always) - best to set up one at a time and
remove some variables.

73 de W0ZF


On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 8:34 PM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Joe,
>
> Instead of daisy-chaining all the transverters, try connecting only one
> at a time (you should be able to use the daisy-chain control cable, but
> connect the TX and RX coax directly fron the K2/K3/K3S to the transverter.
>
> Then tell us what the particular problems are with each transveter.  We
> cannot give much advice on "It just does not work right".
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>
> On 7/8/2020 8:10 PM, Joseph McIntire wrote:
> > I have two I need some help with neither one works or ever did. I
> believe I did every thing correct and believed something happened in trying
> to set them up to do the alignment procedures. But the power indicator came
> on till I hooked them up to do the alignment. I really cant see paying
> shipping and $125 an hour to get something fixed that cost $369.00 new. But
> they must be pretty fickle if one miss step in the setup takes them out.
> Just hate to see $700. 00 go down the drain.
> >
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From rick.nk7i at gmail.com  Thu Jul  9 01:40:00 2020
From: rick.nk7i at gmail.com (Rick NK7I)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 22:40:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 max heat sink temp?
In-Reply-To: <CAJSJeL3sBiD_Mu-p9JiRrn2XSd1Yu1d=caCbwLen0AA6tZc8bg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJSJeL0ivj7eavBzkhfP4-svRRvEkEb28bWfgSZ4vBM9awiTQA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E11901D9-06F9-49DB-B7DC-0215AD14EE9D@me.com>
	<E54BA1BC-798F-41F8-83E1-B89BC919B175@me.com>
	<CAJSJeL0JjVBR6cu_6Fv_mZk=ucNxPZQSeZFwrhz6NnOXKuAjmw@mail.gmail.com>
	<a5777083-f2d7-c2a7-5571-4a2459f9ec05@gmail.com>
	<CAJSJeL3sBiD_Mu-p9JiRrn2XSd1Yu1d=caCbwLen0AA6tZc8bg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c3af5608-59f9-51f8-89b5-6f74d5a912f7@gmail.com>

I have both.? I've had the KPA500 much longer of course and it's nice.? 
Small, concise and quiet, perfect for closest stations (tight spaces).

Having the KAT500 (essentially) built into one package with the 1500 
watt amp (less cabling but one less antenna port too than the KAT500) 
with legal (US) limit is awesome, meaning full range from 0.1-1500 watts 
out (with overhead, not straining, don't ask ;-) oops).

Since I moved to strictly resonant antennas, the KPA1500 tuner is being 
used only as an antenna switch, the fan noise isn't awful (the 12V 60A 
power supply fan on the other hand... wow!), but since that 240V circuit 
isn't on the house generator, when the power goes out, it'll be a quick 
swap to put the KPA500/KAT500 back into play.? It's nice to have options.

With the KPA500, one must still use finesse, with the KPA1500, one 
shouts "Mongo hungry; feed Mongo!" (movie reference).? I strongly 
suspect that the KPA1500 will integrate so well into the K4 it'll simply 
be amazing, outstanding, <add your superlative> (I'll find out later 
this summer).

Each has it's place, if we ever get out of house arrest and back to 
having DXPeditions.? My logbook is beginning to sound like hungry 
Mongo...? band slots, while tasty, do not make a meal.

73,
Rick NK7I


On 7/8/2020 5:08 PM, Eric Norris wrote:
> Actually, I have, Rick.? The KPA1500 is the second greatest amplifier 
> in the history of the solar system.? ?It's a BattleBot, a monster, the 
> doomsday legal-limit amplifier.? But the KPA500 is tiny, and so quiet 
> that I can run it in the same room where the XYL watches TV.? My cat 
> "Bubs" McLovin does not even stir from his dreams of taking down a 
> Cape Buffalo when the KPA500 hits FAN3.
>
> 73 Eric WD6DBM
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 2:34 PM Rick Bates, NK7I <rick.nk7i at gmail.com 
> <mailto:rick.nk7i at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Then you haven't used a KPA1500.
>
>     Rick NK7I
>
>
>     On 7/8/2020 2:11 PM, Eric Norris wrote:
>     > Thanks, Jack!? Now the only question is, is the KPA500 a great
>     amp, or the
>     > greatest amp ever?? I'm in the second camp.
>     >
>     > 73.5? Eric WD6DBM
>     >
>     > On Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 1:16 PM Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com
>     <mailto:jackbrindle at me.com>> wrote:
>     >
>     >> I can confirm that KPA500 V1.00 firmware, which was the first
>     released,
>     >> had a max temperature of 90 degrees C. This has not been
>     changed in any
>     >> subsequent code.
>     >>
>     >> As for the input power, the amplifier has improved over time.
>     My original
>     >> prototype KPA500 requires power in the range described (about
>     35 - 40
>     >> watts), while my new one (just over a year old) needs about 20
>     or so watts.
>     >> Both are great amps!
>     >>
>     >> 73!
>     >> Jack, W6FB
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>> On Jul 8, 2020, at 1:00 PM, William Hammond via Elecraft <
>     >> elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>> wrote:
>     >>> Hi Eric, My manual (revision B, 2011) that came with my SN
>     0149 says 90C
>     >> maximum, page14 in the specifications.? It also says drive
>     power 30-40
>     >> watts for 500 out and I have never beed even close to that,
>     usually 22-26
>     >> watts drive.
>     >>> FYI,
>     >>> Bill-AK5X
>     >>>
>     >>>> On Jul 8, 2020, at 6:00 AM, Eric Norris
>     <norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com <mailto:norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com>>
>     >> wrote:
>     >>>> I just read in the current KPA500 Manual that max heat sink
>     temp is 90C.
>     >>>> Is this true for my first-year production KPA500?? I seem to
>     remember
>     >>>> somethink like 75C.? I cant find my old manual.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> 73 Eric WD6DBM
>     >>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Jul  9 02:17:12 2020
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 23:17:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] xv transverters
In-Reply-To: <BN7PR15MB22267C2DF3287A627158A74795640@BN7PR15MB2226.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN7PR15MB22267C2DF3287A627158A74795640@BN7PR15MB2226.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <169cebd6-b1d7-025d-0a50-646929233582@audiosystemsgroup.com>

I bought three of these transverters used about 15 years ago from a ham 
who had built them, and mostly they sat on a shelf after I'd moved 
across the country. They were for the 50, 144, and 220 MHz bands. I sold 
the 50MHz unit once I had a K3 that covered that band, loaned the 220 
MHz unit to a friend who does VHF rovering, and eventually got around to 
using the 2M unit myself. The few times I used the 220 MHz unit in 
Chicago and later the 144 MHz unit here in W6, I found them varying 
degrees of unstable. It didn't take much to figure out why. They were 
built with Pin One Problems -- all the I/O is via BNCs that are 
insulated from the shielding enclosure!

I have no idea what they're doing now, but I don't recommend those that 
I owned.

73, Jim K9YC

On 7/8/2020 5:10 PM, Joseph McIntire wrote:
> I have two I need some help with neither one works or ever did. I believe I did every thing correct and believed something happened in trying to set them up to do the alignment procedures. But the power indicator came on till I hooked them up to do the alignment. I really cant see paying shipping and $125 an hour to get something fixed that cost $369.00 new. But they must be pretty fickle if one miss step in the setup takes them out. Just hate to see $700. 00 go down the drain.


From wc2l at wc2l.com  Thu Jul  9 07:07:08 2020
From: wc2l at wc2l.com (William Liporace)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 07:07:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] RemoteRig Help
In-Reply-To: <d8493d5d-191b-ef73-fd46-375cdbc892e5@wc2l.com>
References: <d8493d5d-191b-ef73-fd46-375cdbc892e5@wc2l.com>
Message-ID: <463c4c67-4949-fe6d-1c96-1e7778401794@wc2l.com>

Good Morning,

Last night I was able to figure it out.. I checked/followed the setting 
in the Elecrat K3/0 manual to get it working.. There was only a few 
little things, but what ever it was, it is working..

TNX Will WC2L

On 7/8/2020 8:52 PM, William Liporace wrote:
> Thought I would throw this out there..
>
> I have a K3/0 mini, K3S and a RemoteRig setup.. To the best of my 
> knowledge it was all working. I had pulled the plug a while back. Lots 
> of things going on and decided to offer the station to a friend. I 
> can't see to make it work. Anyone have great radio and RCC 
> instructions or have a few minutes to walk me through this??
>
> TNX Will WC2L
>
-- 
William Liporace WC2L
http://www.wc2l.com or http://dxc.wc2l.com
AR-Cluster Node  telnet dxc.wc2l.com or 144.93 MHz
wc2l at wc2l.com


From ki4lys at msn.com  Thu Jul  9 08:40:59 2020
From: ki4lys at msn.com (Joseph McIntire)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 12:40:59 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] xv transverters
In-Reply-To: <169cebd6-b1d7-025d-0a50-646929233582@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <BN7PR15MB22267C2DF3287A627158A74795640@BN7PR15MB2226.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>,
	<169cebd6-b1d7-025d-0a50-646929233582@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <BN7PR15MB22260D3CA75AF26700B7F21795640@BN7PR15MB2226.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

Yeah I think I would just  like to get them to work as they should or were designed to. I think I would then sell them as i do have a k3 for 50 and an IC910 H for 144.

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________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 1:17:12 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] xv transverters

I bought three of these transverters used about 15 years ago from a ham
who had built them, and mostly they sat on a shelf after I'd moved
across the country. They were for the 50, 144, and 220 MHz bands. I sold
the 50MHz unit once I had a K3 that covered that band, loaned the 220
MHz unit to a friend who does VHF rovering, and eventually got around to
using the 2M unit myself. The few times I used the 220 MHz unit in
Chicago and later the 144 MHz unit here in W6, I found them varying
degrees of unstable. It didn't take much to figure out why. They were
built with Pin One Problems -- all the I/O is via BNCs that are
insulated from the shielding enclosure!

I have no idea what they're doing now, but I don't recommend those that
I owned.

73, Jim K9YC

On 7/8/2020 5:10 PM, Joseph McIntire wrote:
> I have two I need some help with neither one works or ever did. I believe I did every thing correct and believed something happened in trying to set them up to do the alignment procedures. But the power indicator came on till I hooked them up to do the alignment. I really cant see paying shipping and $125 an hour to get something fixed that cost $369.00 new. But they must be pretty fickle if one miss step in the setup takes them out. Just hate to see $700. 00 go down the drain.

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From kghams at gmail.com  Thu Jul  9 09:43:58 2020
From: kghams at gmail.com (K4MT)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 06:43:58 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Speech Compressor
Message-ID: <1594302238224-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

I have been searching the manual but cant find my answer.

I can no activate the compressor on any mode but FM.  All other modes say
N/A. Is this correct operation or is there some setting I am missing?  I
have latest firmware installed.

Thanks

Gary K4MT



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From kghams at gmail.com  Thu Jul  9 09:48:46 2020
From: kghams at gmail.com (K4MT)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 06:48:46 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Speech compressor.
Message-ID: <1594302526637-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

I posted an earlier message but had a detail wrong. My CMP says N/A on all
modes except AM. Is this normal?

Gary
K4mt



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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Jul  9 11:05:25 2020
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 11:05:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Speech compressor.
In-Reply-To: <1594302526637-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1594302526637-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <127AD43B-4EB5-4835-94F8-6503DEB56F0E@widomaker.com>

No it?s not. 

Should work on SSB, AM. I?m not sure about FM. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 9, 2020, at 9:50 AM, K4MT <kghams at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I posted an earlier message but had a detail wrong. My CMP says N/A on all
> modes except AM. Is this normal?
> 
> Gary
> K4mt
> 
> 
> 
> --
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From elancki at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  9 12:37:19 2020
From: elancki at yahoo.com (Ed)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 16:37:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 EEPROM Problem
References: <1473295078.2606664.1594312639370.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1473295078.2606664.1594312639370@mail.yahoo.com>

Our club K3 is connected to a KAT500, which is connected to 3 antennas (ANT1: Zero-Five vertical, ANT2: DXCC fan dipole, ANT3: 135ft doublet.? Yesterday I was using the K3 on 6 meters with ANT 1 and ANT2, which were not designed for 6 meters.? The KAT500 was able to tune for a low SWR, and the TX power was about 50 Watts.? No problems occurred during the 6m net, but after the session was over, I noticed that I could no longer select ANT 3 on the KAT500, regardless of the band.? 
I ran the KAT500 Configuration Software, and verified that ANT 3 is configured for use on all bands but 6m.? The configuration SW "Operation" tab could not select ANT3 either (the K3 was turned off).? 
I tried to save the current KAT500 configuration, but a "Save Configuration Error" box popped up after about 10 seconds, which stated "No response to Read EEPROM block".? I repeated the process a few times, and the same error occurred each time.The KAT500 firmware is at v1.75.? I suspect that RF may have gotten into the KAT500 and corrupted the EEPROM.? I'm not sure what to do next.? Has anyone encountered a similar problem?? 
Thanks & 73,EdN2BHD

From a.durbin at msn.com  Thu Jul  9 13:02:38 2020
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 17:02:38 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 EEPROM Problem
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB2968719DE72A2859FC9316468C640@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"I ran the KAT500 Configuration Software, and verified that ANT 3 is configured for use on all bands but 6m.  The configuration SW "Operation" tab could not select ANT3 either (the K3 was turned off).  "

What was the KAT500 mode when you tried this?  I have observed, and reported, that antenna selection does not work properly in BYP.

Can you change any of the antenna enabled/preferred settings?  If so, do they persist through a KAT500 power cycle?

No, I have never experienced your EEPROM error and have no suggestions for solving that (except for the suggested test).

73,
Andy, k3wyc

From kenk3iu at cox.net  Thu Jul  9 13:19:48 2020
From: kenk3iu at cox.net (Ken K3IU)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 13:19:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 EEPROM Problem
In-Reply-To: <1473295078.2606664.1594312639370@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1473295078.2606664.1594312639370.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1473295078.2606664.1594312639370@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <55613a18-0bc9-86c9-e54a-718c0ab8433e@cox.net>

You mention that you ran the "KAT500 Configuration Software" 
but you didn't say that you tried to reload the firmware. 
Have you tried to RELOAD the firmware? If you didn't reload 
the firmware, then I would suggest that you give that a try.
73, Ken K3IU
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On 7/9/2020 12:37 PM, Ed via Elecraft wrote:
> Our club K3 is connected to a KAT500, which is connected to 3 antennas (ANT1: Zero-Five vertical, ANT2: DXCC fan dipole, ANT3: 135ft doublet.? Yesterday I was using the K3 on 6 meters with ANT 1 and ANT2, which were not designed for 6 meters.? The KAT500 was able to tune for a low SWR, and the TX power was about 50 Watts.? No problems occurred during the 6m net, but after the session was over, I noticed that I could no longer select ANT 3 on the KAT500, regardless of the band.
> I ran the KAT500 Configuration Software, and verified that ANT 3 is configured for use on all bands but 6m.? The configuration SW "Operation" tab could not select ANT3 either (the K3 was turned off).
> I tried to save the current KAT500 configuration, but a "Save Configuration Error" box popped up after about 10 seconds, which stated "No response to Read EEPROM block".? I repeated the process a few times, and the same error occurred each time.The KAT500 firmware is at v1.75.? I suspect that RF may have gotten into the KAT500 and corrupted the EEPROM.? I'm not sure what to do next.? Has anyone encountered a similar problem?
> Thanks & 73,EdN2BHD
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From elancki at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  9 14:41:36 2020
From: elancki at yahoo.com (Ed)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 18:41:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 EEPROM Problem
In-Reply-To: <55613a18-0bc9-86c9-e54a-718c0ab8433e@cox.net>
References: <1473295078.2606664.1594312639370.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1473295078.2606664.1594312639370@mail.yahoo.com>
	<55613a18-0bc9-86c9-e54a-718c0ab8433e@cox.net>
Message-ID: <564111887.2681982.1594320096110@mail.yahoo.com>

 No I didn't try to reload the firmware.? I was afraid that if the EEPROM was damaged, a firmware update might not be successful, and leave me with an inoperative (bricked) KAT500.? According to their web page, Elecraft is not servicing KAT500's due to COVID-19 limited operations.? Currently, our KAT500 seems to be working with the other two antennas, so I am waiting to hear from Elecraft regarding the next steps to take.Thanks & 73,EdN2BHD

    On Thursday, July 9, 2020, 1:19:55 PM EDT, Ken K3IU <kenk3iu at cox.net> wrote:  
 
 You mention that you ran the "KAT500 Configuration Software" 
but you didn't say that you tried to reload the firmware. 
Have you tried to RELOAD the firmware? If you didn't reload 
the firmware, then I would suggest that you give that a try.
73, Ken K3IU
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On 7/9/2020 12:37 PM, Ed via Elecraft wrote:
> Our club K3 is connected to a KAT500, which is connected to 3 antennas (ANT1: Zero-Five vertical, ANT2: DXCC fan dipole, ANT3: 135ft doublet.? Yesterday I was using the K3 on 6 meters with ANT 1 and ANT2, which were not designed for 6 meters.? The KAT500 was able to tune for a low SWR, and the TX power was about 50 Watts.? No problems occurred during the 6m net, but after the session was over, I noticed that I could no longer select ANT 3 on the KAT500, regardless of the band.
> I ran the KAT500 Configuration Software, and verified that ANT 3 is configured for use on all bands but 6m.? The configuration SW "Operation" tab could not select ANT3 either (the K3 was turned off).
> I tried to save the current KAT500 configuration, but a "Save Configuration Error" box popped up after about 10 seconds, which stated "No response to Read EEPROM block".? I repeated the process a few times, and the same error occurred each time.The KAT500 firmware is at v1.75.? I suspect that RF may have gotten into the KAT500 and corrupted the EEPROM.? I'm not sure what to do next.? Has anyone encountered a similar problem?
> Thanks & 73,EdN2BHD
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From w5sv.dave at gmail.com  Thu Jul  9 17:34:16 2020
From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 21:34:16 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500
Message-ID: <3c5713a8-99ba-7292-15b1-ca16075692bc@gmail.com>

I recently received and installed my KPA1500 (paired with a K3); 
followed instructions and the setup went without a hitch; it now has all 
bands tuned in memory, and is a breeze to use.? I am getting right at 
1500 watts out with drive ranging from mid 20s to mid 30s, depending on 
the band (less on lower bands, toward mid 30s on 6m).

Very happy with it; just wanted to leave a quick report.? Now I just 
have to get over my impatience for a K4.

Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV


From gt-i at gmx.net  Thu Jul  9 18:24:47 2020
From: gt-i at gmx.net (gt-i at gmx.net)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 00:24:47 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Speech Compressor
In-Reply-To: <1594302238224-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1594302238224-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <3377e7b8-c7b5-9db5-4cdf-a3c832a7a7e3@gmx.net>

On mine its the other way around - there is no CMP on FM, but on
USB/LSB/AM. Makes sense to me.
FW2.9/DSP 1.52

73 Gernot DF5RF

Am 09.07.2020 um 15:43 schrieb K4MT:
> I have been searching the manual but cant find my answer.
>
> I can no activate the compressor on any mode but FM.  All other modes say
> N/A. Is this correct operation or is there some setting I am missing?  I
> have latest firmware installed.
>
> Thanks
>
> Gary K4MT
>
>
>
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From w4ram at outlook.com  Fri Jul 10 00:25:18 2020
From: w4ram at outlook.com (W4RAM)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 21:25:18 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 D1 LED issue
Message-ID: <1594355118971-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Good morning,
I am looking for your advice with the follow issue:

D1 LED in my K1 does not work. LED does not light when I activate the RIT
function. I can see in the screen when RIT is activated (ON/OFF).
I already checked the D1 position, also solder, they look correct.
This problem may seem simple to fix, however, and I'm not sure if the
solution is just change the led.

Thank you for your advice and assistance.

Al
W4RAM




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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Fri Jul 10 00:34:30 2020
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 07:34:30 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 D1 LED issue
In-Reply-To: <1594355118971-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1594355118971-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <A3FAC8CF-3585-4F67-866E-A26783C98E7B@gmail.com>

Measure the voltage across the LED when it?s supposed to be on and off. That will tell you whether the LED or something else is at fault.

Victor 4X6GP 

> On 10 Jul 2020, at 7:25, W4RAM <w4ram at outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Good morning,
> I am looking for your advice with the follow issue:
> 
> D1 LED in my K1 does not work. LED does not light when I activate the RIT
> function. I can see in the screen when RIT is activated (ON/OFF).
> I already checked the D1 position, also solder, they look correct.
> This problem may seem simple to fix, however, and I'm not sure if the
> solution is just change the led.
> 
> Thank you for your advice and assistance.
> 
> Al
> W4RAM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
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From ab7echo at gmail.com  Fri Jul 10 00:56:05 2020
From: ab7echo at gmail.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 21:56:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 D1 LED issue
In-Reply-To: <A3FAC8CF-3585-4F67-866E-A26783C98E7B@gmail.com>
References: <1594355118971-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<A3FAC8CF-3585-4F67-866E-A26783C98E7B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8bb8202a-9e4c-e3d6-a23b-d6f989e69d22@gmail.com>


Not necessarily.? If the LED is shorted (admittedly a less likely 
possibility) it won't have any (or at least very little) voltage across 
it ... just as if its drive circuitry was bad.

Having been an engineer responsible for some LED product lines in the 
long distant past, I would say that the most likely faults would be an 
open LED (bad wire bond) or some fault in the drive circuitry, but a 
crystal fault could also cause a short in the LED.

73,
Dave?? AB7E



On 7/9/2020 9:34 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:
> Measure the voltage across the LED when it?s supposed to be on and off. That will tell you whether the LED or something else is at fault.
>
> Victor 4X6GP
>
>> On 10 Jul 2020, at 7:25, W4RAM <w4ram at outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Good morning,
>> I am looking for your advice with the follow issue:
>>
>> D1 LED in my K1 does not work. LED does not light when I activate the RIT
>> function. I can see in the screen when RIT is activated (ON/OFF).
>> I already checked the D1 position, also solder, they look correct.
>> This problem may seem simple to fix, however, and I'm not sure if the
>> solution is just change the led.
>>
>> Thank you for your advice and assistance.
>>
>> Al
>> W4RAM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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From pokirley at gmail.com  Fri Jul 10 08:41:19 2020
From: pokirley at gmail.com (Paul Kirley)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 12:41:19 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft]  K1 D1 LED issue
Message-ID: <em4c8a3048-ae94-40f2-a65d-b1fb21adb526@paul-pc>

Does your attenuator LED exhibit the same behavior?  If so, check the menu LED setting:  they can be turned off to save battery.

73, Paul W8TM


From KHUFFORD at ATLANTICBB.NET  Fri Jul 10 14:26:31 2020
From: KHUFFORD at ATLANTICBB.NET (KENT HUFFORD)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 14:26:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] NO AUTO FAN ON KPA-1500
Message-ID: <008801d656e7$a2b6a040$e823e0c0$@ATLANTICBB.NET>

I have a KPA-1500 SN 329 that is working great.

 

However, when the temp goes above 40C the fans do not come on the amp unit
like they used to. 

 

I  reloaded firmware 02.38 to see if that helped. It did not.

 

However, when I run the KPA1500 Remote software I can run the fans from
there ok. Just not in the MIN FAN: AUTO mode. I can click and start each
fan, so I can keep the temp under control.

 

BUT, in the AUTO mode they never start.

 

??

 

Kent Hufford

KQ4KK

803-392-7339

khufford at atlanticbb.net <mailto:khufford at atlanticbb.net> 

 

 


From droese at necg.de  Fri Jul 10 14:43:37 2020
From: droese at necg.de (=?utf-8?Q?Oliver_Dr=C3=B6se?=)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 20:43:37 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] NO AUTO FAN ON KPA-1500
In-Reply-To: <008801d656e7$a2b6a040$e823e0c0$@ATLANTICBB.NET>
References: <008801d656e7$a2b6a040$e823e0c0$@ATLANTICBB.NET>
Message-ID: <D36B5D10-F2B7-4992-8B25-1E706B5A8E66@necg.de>

Sounds like a defective temp sensor.

73, Olli - DH8BQA




> Am 10.07.2020 um 20:28 schrieb KENT HUFFORD <KHUFFORD at atlanticbb.net>:
> 
> ?I have a KPA-1500 SN 329 that is working great.
> 
> 
> 
> However, when the temp goes above 40C the fans do not come on the amp unit
> like they used to. 
> 
> 
> 
> I  reloaded firmware 02.38 to see if that helped. It did not.
> 
> 
> 
> However, when I run the KPA1500 Remote software I can run the fans from
> there ok. Just not in the MIN FAN: AUTO mode. I can click and start each
> fan, so I can keep the temp under control.
> 
> 
> 
> BUT, in the AUTO mode they never start.
> 
> 
> 
> ??
> 
> 
> 
> Kent Hufford
> 
> KQ4KK
> 
> 803-392-7339
> 
> khufford at atlanticbb.net <mailto:khufford at atlanticbb.net> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From KHUFFORD at ATLANTICBB.NET  Fri Jul 10 15:13:46 2020
From: KHUFFORD at ATLANTICBB.NET (KENT HUFFORD)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 15:13:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FW:  NO AUTO FAN ON KPA-1500
References: <008801d656e7$a2b6a040$e823e0c0$@atlanticbb.net>
	<em29261170-3da2-4861-b2d8-570f7e74e67c@k8ut-pc> 
Message-ID: <00e801d656ee$3c6670c0$b5335240$@ATLANTICBB.NET>

Yes, Larry, I found your great program, and using it instead of the Elecraft KPA1500 Remote software. With your program it reads the WORKING Temp sensor in the amp and increases the speed as required automatically.  

With the Elecraft KPA1500 Remote software, it also reads the WORKING temp sensor, but you have to manually increase the speed as you want. 

STILL does not fix the issue within the amp of not automatically increasing the fan speed as the temp goes up. 

Thank you for your program. Great stuff.

Kent
KQ4KK

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Gauthier (K8UT) <k8ut at k8ut.com>
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 3:03 PM
To: KENT HUFFORD <KHUFFORD at atlanticbb.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] NO AUTO FAN ON KPA-1500

You could use the freeware FANticipator app for fan control.

https://hamprojects.info/fanticipator-kpa1500-console-and-fan-controller/

-larry (K8UT)

------ Original Message ------
From: "KENT HUFFORD" <KHUFFORD at atlanticbb.net>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Sent: 2020-07-10 2:26:31 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] NO AUTO FAN ON KPA-1500

>I have a KPA-1500 SN 329 that is working great.
>
>
>
>However, when the temp goes above 40C the fans do not come on the amp 
>unit like they used to.
>
>
>
>I  reloaded firmware 02.38 to see if that helped. It did not.
>
>
>
>However, when I run the KPA1500 Remote software I can run the fans from 
>there ok. Just not in the MIN FAN: AUTO mode. I can click and start 
>each fan, so I can keep the temp under control.
>
>
>
>BUT, in the AUTO mode they never start.
>
>
>
>??
>
>
>
>Kent Hufford
>
>KQ4KK
>
>803-392-7339
>
>khufford at atlanticbb.net <mailto:khufford at atlanticbb.net>
>
>
> 



From wa9dgm at aol.com  Fri Jul 10 15:34:33 2020
From: wa9dgm at aol.com (John Mendenhall)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 12:34:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3
References: <0AAABDC1-E8DE-496F-942B-403154DDA30F.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0AAABDC1-E8DE-496F-942B-403154DDA30F@aol.com>

I am looking for 2 1kc cw roofing filters for the k3 reasonable priced. 73 John

Sent from my iPad

From n4zr at comcast.net  Fri Jul 10 15:34:54 2020
From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 15:34:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FW: NO AUTO FAN ON KPA-1500
In-Reply-To: <00e801d656ee$3c6670c0$b5335240$@ATLANTICBB.NET>
References: <008801d656e7$a2b6a040$e823e0c0$@atlanticbb.net>
	<em29261170-3da2-4861-b2d8-570f7e74e67c@k8ut-pc>
	<00e801d656ee$3c6670c0$b5335240$@ATLANTICBB.NET>
Message-ID: <4b8480a4-2f8b-1045-e720-aace782d6f11@comcast.net>

Funny, my 1500 increases speed with increasing temp.? Above 70C it's 
quite the howler.

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

On 7/10/2020 3:13 PM, KENT HUFFORD wrote:
> Yes, Larry, I found your great program, and using it instead of the Elecraft KPA1500 Remote software. With your program it reads the WORKING Temp sensor in the amp and increases the speed as required automatically.
>
> With the Elecraft KPA1500 Remote software, it also reads the WORKING temp sensor, but you have to manually increase the speed as you want.
>
> STILL does not fix the issue within the amp of not automatically increasing the fan speed as the temp goes up.
>
> Thank you for your program. Great stuff.
>
> Kent
> KQ4KK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Gauthier (K8UT) <k8ut at k8ut.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 3:03 PM
> To: KENT HUFFORD <KHUFFORD at atlanticbb.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] NO AUTO FAN ON KPA-1500
>
> You could use the freeware FANticipator app for fan control.
>
> https://hamprojects.info/fanticipator-kpa1500-console-and-fan-controller/
>
> -larry (K8UT)
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "KENT HUFFORD" <KHUFFORD at atlanticbb.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: 2020-07-10 2:26:31 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] NO AUTO FAN ON KPA-1500
>
>> I have a KPA-1500 SN 329 that is working great.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, when the temp goes above 40C the fans do not come on the amp
>> unit like they used to.
>>
>>
>>
>> I  reloaded firmware 02.38 to see if that helped. It did not.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, when I run the KPA1500 Remote software I can run the fans from
>> there ok. Just not in the MIN FAN: AUTO mode. I can click and start
>> each fan, so I can keep the temp under control.
>>
>>
>>
>> BUT, in the AUTO mode they never start.
>>
>>
>>
>> ??
>>
>>
>>
>> Kent Hufford
>>
>> KQ4KK
>>
>> 803-392-7339
>>
>> khufford at atlanticbb.net <mailto:khufford at atlanticbb.net>
>>
>>
>>
>
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From hhoyt at mebtel.net  Fri Jul 10 15:36:57 2020
From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 15:36:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SSB Quality in Transmit
Message-ID: <5b19deb8-45bd-6008-f054-bb2fc2ec8184@mebtel.net>

Hi guys!

Like many of you I worked the 13 Colonies event this last week. I have a 
K3, s/n in the 5600 range with the new SYNs and I'm running a KPA500 
into a Carolina Windom when it isn't arcing.? I have TX EQ set up like this:

 ? 50 Hz = -16 dB
100 Hz = -16 dB
200 Hz =?? -3 dB
400 Hz =??? 0 dB
800 Hz = ?? 0 dB
1.6 KHz = +3 dB
2.4 KHz = +3 dB
3.0 KHz =? 0 dB

Mic drive at 9, and compression is set at 20 and I use a Yamaha 
Shedmaster CM-500 headset.? My wife thought I had some weird disease due 
to all the black specs shedding from the headphone pads...

I wanted to pass along to you Elecraft engineers my experience during 
this event.? I am a CW-only op for the most part and really never hear 
signal quality reports other than the obligatory 5xx. Switching 
reluctantly to SSB and swinging down that odd foam thing which usually 
resides over my head I received numerous comments like: "Best signal of 
the day here, very clean audio!" and "Wow! It sounds like you are in the 
room here, excellent audio"? and "Your signal is audible above the 
pileup because it is so clear!" and a few others which really surprised 
me.? Who knew you could actually send your voice through a ham radio!

I take no credit for any of this other than turning the rig on. I heard 
many crappy sounding SSB signals during this event, some even difficult 
to understand despite good signal strength and I appreciate Elecraft 
making the K3 operate so well, I believe it was a real advantage.? I can 
only hope the K4 will build on this quality!

Thanks again, guys!
Howie / WA4PSC


From a.durbin at msn.com  Fri Jul 10 15:43:02 2020
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 19:43:02 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] NO AUTO FAN ON KPA-1500
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB296821934E206D31B14B4E418C650@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

Just a couple of questions:

If the temperature sensor isn't working how are you measuring the temperature?

What is the highest observed temperature with fans not running?

Andy, k3wyc

From KHUFFORD at ATLANTICBB.NET  Fri Jul 10 15:46:42 2020
From: KHUFFORD at ATLANTICBB.NET (KENT HUFFORD)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 15:46:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] NO AUTO FAN ON KPA-1500
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The temp sensor is working. The remote software sees the temp. And I can
control the fans with the remote software. 

48c. Then I turned on the fans with the remote software.

When the auto temp feature in the amp working, the first fan came on at
about 40c


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Andy Durbin
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 3:43 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] NO AUTO FAN ON KPA-1500

Just a couple of questions:

If the temperature sensor isn't working how are you measuring the
temperature?

What is the highest observed temperature with fans not running?

Andy, k3wyc
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From gmuller885 at aol.com  Fri Jul 10 15:47:48 2020
From: gmuller885 at aol.com (gmuller885)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 14:47:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] No usb
Message-ID: <mailman.101.1594410484.3112.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

I recently received my unit back from elecraft and the unit was fixed but the usb port is not reconized and I do not know how to enable it?Any help would be greatly appreciated.?Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S8+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone

From KHUFFORD at ATLANTICBB.NET  Fri Jul 10 15:48:07 2020
From: KHUFFORD at ATLANTICBB.NET (KENT HUFFORD)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 15:48:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FW: NO AUTO FAN ON KPA-1500
In-Reply-To: <4b8480a4-2f8b-1045-e720-aace782d6f11@comcast.net>
References: <008801d656e7$a2b6a040$e823e0c0$@atlanticbb.net>	<em29261170-3da2-4861-b2d8-570f7e74e67c@k8ut-pc>	<00e801d656ee$3c6670c0$b5335240$@ATLANTICBB.NET>
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Yes, that?s what mine has done for 2 years.

BUT, the fans do not come on when the temp goes up, except with the PC programs.

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of N4ZR
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 3:35 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: NO AUTO FAN ON KPA-1500

Funny, my 1500 increases speed with increasing temp.  Above 70C it's quite the howler.

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

On 7/10/2020 3:13 PM, KENT HUFFORD wrote:
> Yes, Larry, I found your great program, and using it instead of the Elecraft KPA1500 Remote software. With your program it reads the WORKING Temp sensor in the amp and increases the speed as required automatically.
>
> With the Elecraft KPA1500 Remote software, it also reads the WORKING temp sensor, but you have to manually increase the speed as you want.
>
> STILL does not fix the issue within the amp of not automatically increasing the fan speed as the temp goes up.
>
> Thank you for your program. Great stuff.
>
> Kent
> KQ4KK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Gauthier (K8UT) <k8ut at k8ut.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 3:03 PM
> To: KENT HUFFORD <KHUFFORD at atlanticbb.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] NO AUTO FAN ON KPA-1500
>
> You could use the freeware FANticipator app for fan control.
>
> https://hamprojects.info/fanticipator-kpa1500-console-and-fan-controll
> er/
>
> -larry (K8UT)
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "KENT HUFFORD" <KHUFFORD at atlanticbb.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: 2020-07-10 2:26:31 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] NO AUTO FAN ON KPA-1500
>
>> I have a KPA-1500 SN 329 that is working great.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, when the temp goes above 40C the fans do not come on the amp 
>> unit like they used to.
>>
>>
>>
>> I  reloaded firmware 02.38 to see if that helped. It did not.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, when I run the KPA1500 Remote software I can run the fans 
>> from there ok. Just not in the MIN FAN: AUTO mode. I can click and 
>> start each fan, so I can keep the temp under control.
>>
>>
>>
>> BUT, in the AUTO mode they never start.
>>
>>
>>
>> ??
>>
>>
>>
>> Kent Hufford
>>
>> KQ4KK
>>
>> 803-392-7339
>>
>> khufford at atlanticbb.net <mailto:khufford at atlanticbb.net>
>>
>>
>>
>
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Fri Jul 10 15:49:22 2020
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 11:49:22 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 max heat sink temp?
Message-ID: <202007101949.06AJnOjo016316@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>

Not a burning need, but I could see buying a KPA500 some day.

I have the K3/10 and KX3 which are both 12w output and drive my 
KXPA100, nicely.  It has the KXAT100 tuner.

If I decided to have high power on HF that might also mean an upgrade 
in HF yagi (20-10m).  I have an aged Hygain TH3mk4 which needs the 
antenna tuner to match.  Its the old trap design so might opt for a 
SteppIR or a log-periodic, both of which need no tuning.  6-dBi gain 
would be adequate, non-contester or DXer on HF.

Side Note to 6m ops:  I am now monitoring 50.313 FT8, daily (with PSK 
Reporter enabled).

73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
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   dubususa at gmail.com 


From carlos.on6cn at gmail.com  Fri Jul 10 16:07:20 2020
From: carlos.on6cn at gmail.com (carlos.p)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 13:07:20 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] k2 sidetone
Message-ID: <1594411640686-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

hi, just finished the receiver, no problems in aligning,
just noticed a slightly raspy tone in cw receive, not smooth
spot and keyer are ok
i wonder.....
carlos on6cn




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From dl2mdu at darc.de  Fri Jul 10 16:28:14 2020
From: dl2mdu at darc.de (Christian Friess)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 22:28:14 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] No usb
In-Reply-To: <20200710195023.60E01149B60B@mail.qsl.net>
References: <20200710195023.60E01149B60B@mail.qsl.net>
Message-ID: <f074582d-e438-1582-2bf6-33cedf6cf426@darc.de>

I do not know any number of your unit. But if I was in your position I 
have been asked "Have you read the manual?"

73 de Chris, DL2MDU

Am 10.07.2020 um 21:47 schrieb gmuller885 via Elecraft:
> I recently received my unit back from elecraft and the unit was fixed but the usb port is not reconized and I do not know how to enable it?Any help would be greatly appreciated.?Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S8+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Fri Jul 10 16:54:59 2020
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 13:54:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SSB Quality in Transmit
In-Reply-To: <5b19deb8-45bd-6008-f054-bb2fc2ec8184@mebtel.net>
References: <5b19deb8-45bd-6008-f054-bb2fc2ec8184@mebtel.net>
Message-ID: <a4a891b0-6714-f94a-8879-1b6bedbe3dcb@foothill.net>

That's been my experience as well on the few times I get on SSB.? 
Completely unsolicited reports, with both a CM500 and a Heil Proset with 
the iC electret mic.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/10/2020 12:36 PM, Howard Hoyt wrote:
> I wanted to pass along to you Elecraft engineers my experience during 
> this event.? I am a CW-only op for the most part and really never hear 
> signal quality reports other than the obligatory 5xx. Switching 
> reluctantly to SSB and swinging down that odd foam thing which usually 
> resides over my head I received numerous comments like: "Best signal 
> of the day here, very clean audio!" and "Wow! It sounds like you are 
> in the room here, excellent audio"? and "Your signal is audible above 
> the pileup because it is so clear!" and a few others which really 
> surprised me.? Who knew you could actually send your voice through a 
> ham radio!
>
> I take no credit for any of this other than turning the rig on. I 
> heard many crappy sounding SSB signals during this event, some even 
> difficult to understand despite good signal strength and I appreciate 
> Elecraft making the K3 operate so well, I believe it was a real 
> advantage.? I can only hope the K4 will build on this quality!


From elecraft.list at videotron.ca  Fri Jul 10 17:02:08 2020
From: elecraft.list at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 17:02:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] A new release of Win4K3Suite is available
Message-ID: <004901d656fd$60a3f200$21ebd600$@videotron.ca>

Hello,
There is a new version of Win4K3Suite available.  This release improves the
SDRPlay interface, includes a Startup macro and has overall improvements.

Win4K3Suite is a full featured control program for the K3/S, KX3 and KX2.
It has a built in Panadapter that works with LPPAN and a sound card, as well
as the SDRPlay RSP's. It supports the KAT500, KPA500/1500 and the KXPA100 on
most of the above radios.  
A unique feature is that is has 6 built in Virtual Radios, each of which
works just like an Elecraft radio.  This allows sharing of a single COM port
with up to 6 applications.  It also has a built in HRDLogbook server and the
EiBi Shortwave database.
You see more information here:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=win4k3suite
and download a fully functional 30 day trial at va2fsq.com

73 Tom
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From ab4iq at comcast.net  Fri Jul 10 17:14:49 2020
From: ab4iq at comcast.net (Ed Pflueger)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 16:14:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FW: NO AUTO FAN ON KPA-1500
In-Reply-To: <001401d656f3$08fb58e0$1af20aa0$@ATLANTICBB.NET>
References: <008801d656e7$a2b6a040$e823e0c0$@atlanticbb.net>	<em29261170-3da2-4861-b2d8-570f7e74e67c@k8ut-pc>	<00e801d656ee$3c6670c0$b5335240$@ATLANTICBB.NET>	<4b8480a4-2f8b-1045-e720-aace782d6f11@comcast.net>
	<001401d656f3$08fb58e0$1af20aa0$@ATLANTICBB.NET>
Message-ID: <00b901d656ff$32f7acf0$98e706d0$@comcast.net>

Mine starts working at speed 1 around 40C.  Fully automatic and 28C idle.

Ed.. AB4IQ

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of KENT HUFFORD
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 2:48 PM
To: 'N4ZR' <n4zr at comcast.net>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: NO AUTO FAN ON KPA-1500

Yes, that?s what mine has done for 2 years.

BUT, the fans do not come on when the temp goes up, except with the PC programs.

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of N4ZR
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 3:35 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: NO AUTO FAN ON KPA-1500

Funny, my 1500 increases speed with increasing temp.  Above 70C it's quite the howler.

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

On 7/10/2020 3:13 PM, KENT HUFFORD wrote:
> Yes, Larry, I found your great program, and using it instead of the Elecraft KPA1500 Remote software. With your program it reads the WORKING Temp sensor in the amp and increases the speed as required automatically.
>
> With the Elecraft KPA1500 Remote software, it also reads the WORKING temp sensor, but you have to manually increase the speed as you want.
>
> STILL does not fix the issue within the amp of not automatically increasing the fan speed as the temp goes up.
>
> Thank you for your program. Great stuff.
>
> Kent
> KQ4KK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Gauthier (K8UT) <k8ut at k8ut.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 3:03 PM
> To: KENT HUFFORD <KHUFFORD at atlanticbb.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] NO AUTO FAN ON KPA-1500
>
> You could use the freeware FANticipator app for fan control.
>
> https://hamprojects.info/fanticipator-kpa1500-console-and-fan-controll
> er/
>
> -larry (K8UT)
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "KENT HUFFORD" <KHUFFORD at atlanticbb.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: 2020-07-10 2:26:31 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] NO AUTO FAN ON KPA-1500
>
>> I have a KPA-1500 SN 329 that is working great.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, when the temp goes above 40C the fans do not come on the amp 
>> unit like they used to.
>>
>>
>>
>> I  reloaded firmware 02.38 to see if that helped. It did not.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, when I run the KPA1500 Remote software I can run the fans 
>> from there ok. Just not in the MIN FAN: AUTO mode. I can click and 
>> start each fan, so I can keep the temp under control.
>>
>>
>>
>> BUT, in the AUTO mode they never start.
>>
>>
>>
>> ??
>>
>>
>>
>> Kent Hufford
>>
>> KQ4KK
>>
>> 803-392-7339
>>
>> khufford at atlanticbb.net <mailto:khufford at atlanticbb.net>
>>
>>
>>
>
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From dick at elecraft.com  Fri Jul 10 17:19:01 2020
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 14:19:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] NO AUTO FAN ON KPA-1500
In-Reply-To: <001201d656f2$dca8c250$95fa46f0$@ATLANTICBB.NET>
References: <BYAPR16MB296821934E206D31B14B4E418C650@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<001201d656f2$dca8c250$95fa46f0$@ATLANTICBB.NET>
Message-ID: <009b01d656ff$bbe2cae0$33a860a0$@elecraft.com>

The turn-on temperature for fan speed 1 is 50 degrees C.  Fan speed
threshold temperatures are in the KPA1500 firmware release notes for version
1.87.

In earlier firmware, the fans did indeed come on at less than 50 degrees C.

73 de Dick, K6KR


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of KENT HUFFORD
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 12:47
To: 'Andy Durbin' <a.durbin at msn.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] NO AUTO FAN ON KPA-1500

The temp sensor is working. The remote software sees the temp. And I can
control the fans with the remote software. 

48c. Then I turned on the fans with the remote software.

When the auto temp feature in the amp working, the first fan came on at
about 40c


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Andy Durbin
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 3:43 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] NO AUTO FAN ON KPA-1500

Just a couple of questions:

If the temperature sensor isn't working how are you measuring the
temperature?

What is the highest observed temperature with fans not running?

Andy, k3wyc
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Fri Jul 10 18:40:54 2020
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 18:40:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] No usb
In-Reply-To: <20200710195125.687D7149B41C@mail.qsl.net>
References: <20200710195125.687D7149B41C@mail.qsl.net>
Message-ID: <DB686387-28BD-47BF-A279-D006D2B86124@widomaker.com>

Did you verify the CONFIG:RS232 is set to USB?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 10, 2020, at 3:51 PM, gmuller885 via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I recently received my unit back from elecraft and the unit was fixed but the usb port is not reconized and I do not know how to enable it Any help would be greatly appreciated. Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S8+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Jul 10 18:47:38 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 18:47:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] k2 sidetone
In-Reply-To: <1594411640686-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1594411640686-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <f24f9ebd-5bd0-dde4-3788-2b9da1df06d6@embarqmail.com>

Carlos,

The spot and keyer sidetone are not in the same path as receive.
I suspect that you need a better IF filter (CAL FIL) than what is 
provided in the manual.

You can download Spectrogram from my website www.w3fpr.com (look near 
the bottom of the home page for the links) to give you a visual picture 
of the filter passband position and filter width.
Tom Hammond N0SS (SK) created a document that will allow you to use 
Spectrogram 5.17 to align your K2 filters.  It is available at 
http://www.mmccs.com/mmarc/n0ss/k2_filters_using_gram_v5r17.pdf.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 7/10/2020 4:07 PM, carlos.p wrote:
> hi, just finished the receiver, no problems in aligning,
> just noticed a slightly raspy tone in cw receive, not smooth
> spot and keyer are ok
> i wonder.....
> carlos on6cn

From merv.k9fd at gmail.com  Fri Jul 10 20:17:19 2020
From: merv.k9fd at gmail.com (K9FD)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 14:17:19 -1000
Subject: [Elecraft]  K3 KBPF3
In-Reply-To: <0AAABDC1-E8DE-496F-942B-403154DDA30F@aol.com>
References: <0AAABDC1-E8DE-496F-942B-403154DDA30F.ref@aol.com>
	<0AAABDC1-E8DE-496F-942B-403154DDA30F@aol.com>
Message-ID: <90372a22-caad-b5a0-84f8-43c3dd7725db@gmail.com>

I waited to long to order parts for my K3.

Looking for a KBPF3 or KBPF3A to add on my K3.

Anyone have one they updated or have an extra?

Thanks? 73 Merv K9FD

From w6png at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 10 20:33:56 2020
From: w6png at yahoo.com (Paul Gacek)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 17:33:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] No usb
In-Reply-To: <20200710195108.B3DB9149B64B@mail.qsl.net>
References: <20200710195108.B3DB9149B64B@mail.qsl.net>
Message-ID: <3157E484-F072-472E-86C3-2318899DD120@yahoo.com>

Not sure what OS you are using but Windows might have reassigned the port you were using and while the device was back at Elecraft to another PC peripheral.

Paul

> On Jul 10, 2020, at 12:56 PM, gmuller885 via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I recently received my unit back from elecraft and the unit was fixed but the usb port is not reconized and I do not know how to enable it Any help would be greatly appreciated. Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S8+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
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From gmuller885 at aol.com  Fri Jul 10 21:20:32 2020
From: gmuller885 at aol.com (gmuller885)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 20:20:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] No usb
Message-ID: <mailman.105.1594430455.3112.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

USB is enabledSent via the Samsung Galaxy S8+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: gmuller885 <gmuller885 at aol.com> Date: 7/10/20  2:47 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: No usb I recently received my unit back from elecraft and the unit was fixed but the usb port is not reconized and I do not know how to enable it?Any help would be greatly appreciated.?Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S8+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone

From carlos.on6cn at gmail.com  Sat Jul 11 09:57:22 2020
From: carlos.on6cn at gmail.com (carlos popelier)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 15:57:22 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] k2 receive cw tone raspy
Message-ID: <9D7863A5-95B2-4373-AFA6-97AC56FFA926@hxcore.ol>


From robert.calver2 at btinternet.com  Sat Jul 11 12:57:34 2020
From: robert.calver2 at btinternet.com (Robert Calver)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 17:57:34 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Permanent 8T volts enabled
Message-ID: <CC1026B7-9D06-45EA-BAF3-30BAAE9F9B1E@btinternet.com>

Hi Guys

Anyone had a this fault? The radio was working fine until a day or so ago, now can hear noise, AF and RF gain pots work, but nothing from the antenna.
If you inject signal at the anode of D6 RF board you can hear it, not on the cathode though - its being back biased by the permanent 8T volts?

Anyone experienced this?

73
Bob
G4JGX

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Jul 11 14:25:06 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 14:25:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Permanent 8T volts enabled
In-Reply-To: <CC1026B7-9D06-45EA-BAF3-30BAAE9F9B1E@btinternet.com>
References: <CC1026B7-9D06-45EA-BAF3-30BAAE9F9B1E@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <f5e7ec60-7735-08d8-6944-dbcb747b3573@embarqmail.com>

Bob,

I assume you also have 8R active at the same time - that is the usual 
case.  I have encountered it a few times in the process of repairing 
over 1000 K2s.

The problem source is usually on the Control Board.  Check the voltage 
on the gate of Q3 - it should be zero during receive.
Also check the gate of Q4.

If both gates are at about 5 volts, then you have a problem with the MCU 
and it should be replaced.  You could try a Master Reset, but it is 
unlikely to correct the problem.

OTOH, if only one gate Q3 or Q4 is at 5 volts, then look for something 
that is putting the K2 into transmit.

Should you find the gate of Q3 at zero volts, and you still have 8T 
active all the time, either Q3 is not conducting when it should or there 
is a problem with Q1 and the RP1 resistors.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/11/2020 12:57 PM, Robert Calver via Elecraft wrote:
> Hi Guys
> 
> Anyone had a this fault? The radio was working fine until a day or so ago, now can hear noise, AF and RF gain pots work, but nothing from the antenna.
> If you inject signal at the anode of D6 RF board you can hear it, not on the cathode though - its being back biased by the permanent 8T volts?
> 

From vfo77 at inkbox.net  Sat Jul 11 15:40:47 2020
From: vfo77 at inkbox.net (Frank O'Donnell)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 12:40:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power out
Message-ID: <07eb80bf-c36b-e2f8-b4f8-52144e84b09c@inkbox.net>

After a fair time of non-use, today I got out my KX3 and started working 
through configuration checklists. Among other things I thought I'd check 
the power out.

For this test I used a Bird 43 and MFJ-260C dummy load. For HF I used a 
Bird 2-30 MHz 25w element, and for 2m a 100-250 MHz 10w element. I put 
the KX3 in CW mode and keyed with the KXPD3 paddle. When changing to 
each HF band I hit the ATU Tune button.

On 40m and 20m I found that with the Pwr knob set to 15w, the Bird 
showed about 8w out. With the Pwr knob set to 5w, the power out is about 3w.

After changing the antenna port and Bird element, on 2m with the radio 
set to 3w the Bird shows about 2.5w out.

Any thoughts on these results, or suggestions on other things to check?

Thanks and 73,

Frank K6FOD





From vfo77 at inkbox.net  Sat Jul 11 15:42:55 2020
From: vfo77 at inkbox.net (Frank O'Donnell)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 12:42:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power out
In-Reply-To: <07eb80bf-c36b-e2f8-b4f8-52144e84b09c@inkbox.net>
References: <07eb80bf-c36b-e2f8-b4f8-52144e84b09c@inkbox.net>
Message-ID: <23d1adb6-6ec5-74ee-a42c-ebc14ee90a18@inkbox.net>

Always something else I remember just after hitting send.

The KX3 is running off the Pro Audio Engineering PAE-Kx33 power supply, 
plugged into the 9-15 vdc connector.

On 7/11/20 12:40 PM, Frank O'Donnell wrote:
> After a fair time of non-use, today I got out my KX3 and started 
> working through configuration checklists. Among other things I thought 
> I'd check the power out.
>
> For this test I used a Bird 43 and MFJ-260C dummy load. For HF I used 
> a Bird 2-30 MHz 25w element, and for 2m a 100-250 MHz 10w element. I 
> put the KX3 in CW mode and keyed with the KXPD3 paddle. When changing 
> to each HF band I hit the ATU Tune button.
>
> On 40m and 20m I found that with the Pwr knob set to 15w, the Bird 
> showed about 8w out. With the Pwr knob set to 5w, the power out is 
> about 3w.
>
> After changing the antenna port and Bird element, on 2m with the radio 
> set to 3w the Bird shows about 2.5w out.
>
> Any thoughts on these results, or suggestions on other things to check?
>
> Thanks and 73,
>
> Frank K6FOD
>
>
>
>


From marklgoldberg at gmail.com  Sat Jul 11 16:17:12 2020
From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 13:17:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power out
In-Reply-To: <07eb80bf-c36b-e2f8-b4f8-52144e84b09c@inkbox.net>
References: <07eb80bf-c36b-e2f8-b4f8-52144e84b09c@inkbox.net>
Message-ID: <CAKn+a3tBdav-dO3WWsoZwMWKxBuv09MNDnv2KqWioSGL=MwRqA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 12:41 PM Frank O'Donnell <vfo77 at inkbox.net> wrote:
>
> After a fair time of non-use, today I got out my KX3 and started working
> through configuration checklists. Among other things I thought I'd check
> the power out.
>
> For this test I used a Bird 43 and MFJ-260C dummy load. For HF I used a
> Bird 2-30 MHz 25w element, and for 2m a 100-250 MHz 10w element. I put
> the KX3 in CW mode and keyed with the KXPD3 paddle. When changing to
> each HF band I hit the ATU Tune button.
>
> On 40m and 20m I found that with the Pwr knob set to 15w, the Bird
> showed about 8w out. With the Pwr knob set to 5w, the power out is about 3w.
>
> After changing the antenna port and Bird element, on 2m with the radio
> set to 3w the Bird shows about 2.5w out.
>
> Any thoughts on these results, or suggestions on other things to check?
>
>The KX3 is running off the Pro Audio Engineering PAE-Kx33 power supply,
>plugged into the 9-15 vdc connector.

Do you know that the Bird and slugs are good? Do you know that the
dummy load is good?  Bird meters, when they are calibrated, are
specified at 5% of full scale, so +/- 1.25 W for the 25 W element and
+/- 0.5W for the 10W element. Bird meters are rugged, but not really
all that accurate. The dummy load should be 50 ohms resistive over the
frequency range of interest. If they have been cooked, they often
change.

So, for two meters being off by 0.5W is within the calibration
accuracy, even if the slug was calibrated. Slugs don't usually drift
much though, unless cooked. Hams hardly ever calibrate their test
equipment because it does cost a lot to do so, and it has to be done
every year or two. In the case of the slugs, I think that calibration
means measure and if bad, chuck it. The meter itself has a
calibration, I believe.

For 40M and 20m the readings are so different that it is likely
something is wrong. Can you measure a different rig or with a
different meter?

73,

Mark
W7MLG

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sat Jul 11 16:19:00 2020
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 16:19:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power out
In-Reply-To: <23d1adb6-6ec5-74ee-a42c-ebc14ee90a18@inkbox.net>
References: <07eb80bf-c36b-e2f8-b4f8-52144e84b09c@inkbox.net>
	<23d1adb6-6ec5-74ee-a42c-ebc14ee90a18@inkbox.net>
Message-ID: <F08B7993-3D53-4E01-AEE8-5ACD737A055E@gmail.com>

As a start, I?d recommend running through TX GAIN calibration using the KX3 Utility ? 

Grant NQ5T



> On Jul 11, 2020, at 3:42 PM, Frank O'Donnell <vfo77 at inkbox.net> wrote:
> 
> Always something else I remember just after hitting send.
> 
> The KX3 is running off the Pro Audio Engineering PAE-Kx33 power supply, plugged into the 9-15 vdc connector.
> 
> On 7/11/20 12:40 PM, Frank O'Donnell wrote:
>> After a fair time of non-use, today I got out my KX3 and started working through configuration checklists. Among other things I thought I'd check the power out.
>> 
>> For this test I used a Bird 43 and MFJ-260C dummy load. For HF I used a Bird 2-30 MHz 25w element, and for 2m a 100-250 MHz 10w element. I put the KX3 in CW mode and keyed with the KXPD3 paddle. When changing to each HF band I hit the ATU Tune button.
>> 
>> On 40m and 20m I found that with the Pwr knob set to 15w, the Bird showed about 8w out. With the Pwr knob set to 5w, the power out is about 3w.
>> 
>> After changing the antenna port and Bird element, on 2m with the radio set to 3w the Bird shows about 2.5w out.
>> 
>> Any thoughts on these results, or suggestions on other things to check?
>> 
>> Thanks and 73,
>> 
>> Frank K6FOD
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sat Jul 11 18:23:20 2020
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 15:23:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power out
In-Reply-To: <23d1adb6-6ec5-74ee-a42c-ebc14ee90a18@inkbox.net>
References: <07eb80bf-c36b-e2f8-b4f8-52144e84b09c@inkbox.net>
	<23d1adb6-6ec5-74ee-a42c-ebc14ee90a18@inkbox.net>
Message-ID: <776BCECB-B99A-4DE0-A960-0B65E47622F9@wunderwood.org>

You should not need an ATU with a dummy load. Put the ATU in bypass.

Did you send dits or a constant carrier? I recommend using RTTY or FM to get a constant carrier.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jul 11, 2020, at 12:42 PM, Frank O'Donnell <vfo77 at inkbox.net> wrote:
> 
> Always something else I remember just after hitting send.
> 
> The KX3 is running off the Pro Audio Engineering PAE-Kx33 power supply, plugged into the 9-15 vdc connector.
> 
> On 7/11/20 12:40 PM, Frank O'Donnell wrote:
>> After a fair time of non-use, today I got out my KX3 and started working through configuration checklists. Among other things I thought I'd check the power out.
>> 
>> For this test I used a Bird 43 and MFJ-260C dummy load. For HF I used a Bird 2-30 MHz 25w element, and for 2m a 100-250 MHz 10w element. I put the KX3 in CW mode and keyed with the KXPD3 paddle. When changing to each HF band I hit the ATU Tune button.
>> 
>> On 40m and 20m I found that with the Pwr knob set to 15w, the Bird showed about 8w out. With the Pwr knob set to 5w, the power out is about 3w.
>> 
>> After changing the antenna port and Bird element, on 2m with the radio set to 3w the Bird shows about 2.5w out.
>> 
>> Any thoughts on these results, or suggestions on other things to check?
>> 
>> Thanks and 73,
>> 
>> Frank K6FOD
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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From vfo77 at inkbox.net  Sat Jul 11 22:05:51 2020
From: vfo77 at inkbox.net (Frank O'Donnell)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 19:05:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power out
In-Reply-To: <F08B7993-3D53-4E01-AEE8-5ACD737A055E@gmail.com>
References: <07eb80bf-c36b-e2f8-b4f8-52144e84b09c@inkbox.net>
	<23d1adb6-6ec5-74ee-a42c-ebc14ee90a18@inkbox.net>
	<F08B7993-3D53-4E01-AEE8-5ACD737A055E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1ef5fed7-dc96-e106-2fa5-b7aaeb877b7c@inkbox.net>

On 7/11/20 1:19 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:
> As a start, I?d recommend running through TX GAIN calibration using the KX3 Utility ?

Good suggestion. If a 2-meter module is installed, as is the case with 
mine, I wonder if the automated calibration using the KX3 Utility flies 
through all the bands including that one? I wouldn't want to start 
pressing buttons and find out the wrong way. The reason for my concern 
is that I only have one dummy load, the MFJ-260C. I'd like to get ahold 
of the Oak Hills Research RFL-100 mentioned here recently, but 
unfortunately when I tried to order one a few days ago his website said 
all sales had been suspended indefinitely due to COVID. I guess I can 
either scrounge another dummy load, or do the calibration band-by-band 
manually.

Re Mark's questions about the Bird 43 and slugs, I do have an older Bird 
that I don't trust a great deal, but this one was bought new about a 
year ago, and the slugs are the same vintage or newer. I can try them 
out with other radios.

As for Walter's point about the ATU, the results are mighty odd. I just 
set the KX3 to 40 meters with 15 watts out, appropriate slug in the Bird 
43, set ATU to bypass and started keying. The power out dropped to about 
5w. I then set ATU to auto and tapped the ATU Tune button. With the 
radio still set to 15w out, the Bird now peaked at about 25w! Is it 
plausible that antenna tuning activity within the KX3 could actually 
increase the TPO by ~5x? Or does that cast even more suspicion on the Bird?

Frank


From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sat Jul 11 22:18:14 2020
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 22:18:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power out
In-Reply-To: <1ef5fed7-dc96-e106-2fa5-b7aaeb877b7c@inkbox.net>
References: <07eb80bf-c36b-e2f8-b4f8-52144e84b09c@inkbox.net>
	<23d1adb6-6ec5-74ee-a42c-ebc14ee90a18@inkbox.net>
	<F08B7993-3D53-4E01-AEE8-5ACD737A055E@gmail.com>
	<1ef5fed7-dc96-e106-2fa5-b7aaeb877b7c@inkbox.net>
Message-ID: <317D56CA-920C-4D40-A4F1-EDB6F6E574C7@gmail.com>

This procedure (manual, or automated via the KX3 Utility) applies only to 160-6M

Grant NQ5T

> On Jul 11, 2020, at 10:05 PM, Frank O'Donnell <vfo77 at inkbox.net> wrote:
> 
> On 7/11/20 1:19 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:
>> As a start, I?d recommend running through TX GAIN calibration using the KX3 Utility ?
> 
> Good suggestion. If a 2-meter module is installed, as is the case with mine, I wonder if the automated calibration using the KX3 Utility flies through all the bands including that one? I wouldn't want to start pressing buttons and find out the wrong way. The reason for my concern is that I only have one dummy load, the MFJ-260C. I'd like to get ahold of the Oak Hills Research RFL-100 mentioned here recently, but unfortunately when I tried to order one a few days ago his website said all sales had been suspended indefinitely due to COVID. I guess I can either scrounge another dummy load, or do the calibration band-by-band manually.
> 


From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Sat Jul 11 22:36:21 2020
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 22:36:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power out
In-Reply-To: <1ef5fed7-dc96-e106-2fa5-b7aaeb877b7c@inkbox.net>
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-1288FC57BE854BDDBB33C6440A95C054@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

I believe that the KX3 does not have bypass relays in its ATU. 
Instead, when you select "Bypass", it sets the ATU to have no C 
or L added. If the ATU is not functioning correctly, perhaps 
with a stuck relay, it may still be affecting the measurements.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 7/11/20 at 10:05 PM, vfo77 at inkbox.net (Frank O'Donnell) wrote:

>As for Walter's point about the ATU, the results are mighty 
>odd. I just set the KX3 to 40 meters with 15 watts out, 
>appropriate slug in the Bird 43, set ATU to bypass and started 
>keying. The power out dropped to about 5w. I then set ATU to 
>auto and tapped the ATU Tune button. With the radio still set 
>to 15w out, the Bird now peaked at about 25w! Is it plausible 
>that antenna tuning activity within the KX3 could actually 
>increase the TPO by ~5x? Or does that cast even more suspicion 
>on the Bird?
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From huntinhmb at coastside.net  Sat Jul 11 22:51:47 2020
From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 19:51:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power out
In-Reply-To: <23d1adb6-6ec5-74ee-a42c-ebc14ee90a18@inkbox.net>
References: <07eb80bf-c36b-e2f8-b4f8-52144e84b09c@inkbox.net>
	<23d1adb6-6ec5-74ee-a42c-ebc14ee90a18@inkbox.net>
Message-ID: <F66AF77B-E682-490E-8F03-F4A65214D315@coastside.net>

What is the key-down voltage seen on the KX3 display?  Measure the regulated voltage at the PS under the same conditions. Is it OK?  I had power control problems on my K3 until I solved the sagging voltage problem. GL & 73, K0DTJ

> On Jul 11, 2020, at 12:42, Frank O'Donnell <vfo77 at inkbox.net> wrote:
> 
> Always something else I remember just after hitting send.
> 
> The KX3 is running off the Pro Audio Engineering PAE-Kx33 power supply, plugged into the 9-15 vdc connector.
> 
>> On 7/11/20 12:40 PM, Frank O'Donnell wrote:
>> After a fair time of non-use, today I got out my KX3 and started working through configuration checklists. Among other things I thought I'd check the power out.
>> 
>> For this test I used a Bird 43 and MFJ-260C dummy load. For HF I used a Bird 2-30 MHz 25w element, and for 2m a 100-250 MHz 10w element. I put the KX3 in CW mode and keyed with the KXPD3 paddle. When changing to each HF band I hit the ATU Tune button.
>> 
>> On 40m and 20m I found that with the Pwr knob set to 15w, the Bird showed about 8w out. With the Pwr knob set to 5w, the power out is about 3w.
>> 
>> After changing the antenna port and Bird element, on 2m with the radio set to 3w the Bird shows about 2.5w out.
>> 
>> Any thoughts on these results, or suggestions on other things to check?
>> 
>> Thanks and 73,
>> 
>> Frank K6FOD
> 
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From marklgoldberg at gmail.com  Sat Jul 11 23:40:48 2020
From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 20:40:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power out
In-Reply-To: <1ef5fed7-dc96-e106-2fa5-b7aaeb877b7c@inkbox.net>
References: <07eb80bf-c36b-e2f8-b4f8-52144e84b09c@inkbox.net>
	<23d1adb6-6ec5-74ee-a42c-ebc14ee90a18@inkbox.net>
	<F08B7993-3D53-4E01-AEE8-5ACD737A055E@gmail.com>
	<1ef5fed7-dc96-e106-2fa5-b7aaeb877b7c@inkbox.net>
Message-ID: <CAKn+a3s4-13X4MHyu=XDnwMzTw_xTT3urx2hAgc7Js9aq4uNWQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 7:06 PM Frank O'Donnell <vfo77 at inkbox.net> wrote:
> As for Walter's point about the ATU, the results are mighty odd. I just
> set the KX3 to 40 meters with 15 watts out, appropriate slug in the Bird
> 43, set ATU to bypass and started keying. The power out dropped to about
> 5w. I then set ATU to auto and tapped the ATU Tune button. With the
> radio still set to 15w out, the Bird now peaked at about 25w! Is it
> plausible that antenna tuning activity within the KX3 could actually
> increase the TPO by ~5x? Or does that cast even more suspicion on the Bird?

The KX3 will definitely cut way back on power out if it sees a
mismatched load or a line voltage drop. I use my KX3 to tune a
screwdriver antenna. I normally set the power out to about 3W, but
sometimes forget and leave it at 15W. When matched, it puts out a full
15W. When it sees a high SWR, it will cut back to a few watts. I have
the tuner bypassed. The KX3 will show you what it sees as the SWR as
well as the power, and you can also look at reflected power on the
Bird. Hopefully those will tell you something.

73,

Mark
W7MLG

From vfo77 at inkbox.net  Sun Jul 12 01:14:27 2020
From: vfo77 at inkbox.net (Frank O'Donnell)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 22:14:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power out
In-Reply-To: <F66AF77B-E682-490E-8F03-F4A65214D315@coastside.net>
References: <07eb80bf-c36b-e2f8-b4f8-52144e84b09c@inkbox.net>
	<23d1adb6-6ec5-74ee-a42c-ebc14ee90a18@inkbox.net>
	<F66AF77B-E682-490E-8F03-F4A65214D315@coastside.net>
Message-ID: <4bc6adab-fa24-25d8-6239-aaf138c4feaf@inkbox.net>

On the KX3 display, the voltage is 14.3v at idle, 13.8v key-down. At the 
power supply, 14.5v idle, 14.15v key-down.


On 7/11/20 7:51 PM, Brian Hunt wrote:
> What is the key-down voltage seen on the KX3 display?  Measure the regulated voltage at the PS under the same conditions. Is it OK?  I had power control problems on my K3 until I solved the sagging voltage problem.




From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Jul 12 01:15:29 2020
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 22:15:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <9ce784f5-7469-f82c-5798-d1f7745522eb@coho.net>

Good Evening,

Each new sunspot appears and disappears within a day or two. However, 
there are new sunspots appearing.? Maybe we are past solar minimum, by a 
smidge.

The foxgloves are in bloom.? They are my gather wood now indicator.? 
When they are done blooming I better have my wood in. No pressure :)

If the sky was clear in the morning I would try to see comet Neowise.? 
It is getting farther from the sun so the sky will be darker.? A large 
nucleus comet could put on quite a show.? It's at magnitude 2 with both 
an ion and a dust tail.

Please join us on (or near):

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 ? 7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

 ?? 73,
 ????? Kevin. KD5ONS


_


From vfo77 at inkbox.net  Sun Jul 12 01:16:59 2020
From: vfo77 at inkbox.net (Frank O'Donnell)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 22:16:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power out
In-Reply-To: <CAKn+a3s4-13X4MHyu=XDnwMzTw_xTT3urx2hAgc7Js9aq4uNWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <07eb80bf-c36b-e2f8-b4f8-52144e84b09c@inkbox.net>
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Message-ID: <44813396-b2be-a4a0-b4a7-29269d2b5842@inkbox.net>

On 7/11/20 8:40 PM, Mark Goldberg wrote:
> The KX3 will definitely cut way back on power out if it sees a
> mismatched load or a line voltage drop. I use my KX3 to tune a
> screwdriver antenna. I normally set the power out to about 3W, but
> sometimes forget and leave it at 15W. When matched, it puts out a full
> 15W. When it sees a high SWR, it will cut back to a few watts. I have
> the tuner bypassed. The KX3 will show you what it sees as the SWR as
> well as the power, and you can also look at reflected power on the
> Bird. Hopefully those will tell you something.

Interesting info, thanks. I'm still baffled at why putting the ATU on 
auto and tapping to tune would cause the wattmeter to show TPO at 25 watts.

Frank


From pa3hgx at gmail.com  Sun Jul 12 04:44:39 2020
From: pa3hgx at gmail.com (Jos Weitenberg)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 10:44:39 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Af Gain potmeter
Message-ID: <C415663D-135A-4C96-B9EA-F4D3090E4487@gmail.com>

I build my K2 in the winter 2018/2019 with serialnumber 7850.
The transceiver works very well, but the af gain potmeter sound scratchy now.
My question is, is this normal after such a short time of use ?

Where can I get a decent potentiometer, because if I replace it with the same one, I think I will have the same problem again in 2 years.


73?s Jos PA3HGX 

From w4ram at outlook.com  Sun Jul 12 06:00:30 2020
From: w4ram at outlook.com (W4RAM)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 03:00:30 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K1 power realignment
Message-ID: <1594548030958-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

I want to realign the output of my K1, the radio has an internal antenna
tuner. The reason is because I check the radio is not coming out with the
proper power (test performed with dummy load and PWR-SWR meter Daiwa). "OUT"
is at 2.0W, and I can see, on the power meter, 1W.
I proceeded by removing the antenna tunner module, to be able to access L1,
... L6 (filter board for 40/20 mts band). However after this, when I try to
calibrate the RF filters, I can only get 0.1 W when I put the K1 in tune
mode. I check again the "OUT", and I stay 2W.
If I reinstall the internal antenna tuner, the radio returns to the initial
behavior (only 1W when "OUT" has been set to 2.0W).
Can someone guide me on how I should perform the power realignment process?.

Thank you

Al
W4RAM



--
Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sun Jul 12 11:07:59 2020
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 08:07:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
Message-ID: <4A64FD15-0130-4891-8897-33F482A9239F@elecraft.com>

I have a friend about my age who got into amateur radio only a few years ago. Like many of us, he was enthusiastic about the technology. Intrigued with DX. 

I showed him my station; we talked endlessly about gear. Later, I helped him put up a simple wire antenna.

Then, when his license arrived, he dove straight into FT8 and didn't look back. Within days, he'd worked all states, then DXCC. He'd bag a few rare ones over a light lunch, then pat his laptop on the back and congratulate his software app for its near-mythical ability to extract weak signals out of noise. 

Within weeks, he'd mastered everything there was to know about this glorious new hobby. 

Point. Click.

In this new world order, those of us who took the longer, slower path to ionospheric enlightenment -- and who still occasionally enjoy making waves by hand -- often fail to explain why. 

I had failed to explain it to my friend. Even as hints of his boredom crept in, creating an opening, the best argument I'd made for trying CW was that he could do it without a computer. Coming in a weak second was the notion that CW was the original digital mode. For obvious reasons, I didn't bother with the classic argument about CW's signal-to-noise advantage over SSB. 

I had all but given up. 

Then, in a moment of delayed clarity, I decided on a different approach. I invited him to a weekday brunch. A bit of an escape. He willingly took the bait.

On the appointed day, arriving at his workplace, I bypassed the lobby's glistening elevators and climbed the four flights of stairs to his office. I insisted we take the stairs down, too. 

"Why?" he asked. "And how'd you get up here so fast?" 

I pointed out that I always chose stairs, when possible. That's why I wasn't out of breath. We hustled down, jockeying for position, and emerged on the ground floor invigorated by the effort.

"So, where are we going?" he asked. We'd been to every overrated twenty-dollar burger venue at least twice.

I replied that we'd be going someplace we'd never tried. My kitchen. 

When we arrived, I put him to work chopping onions and broccoli and squeezing oranges while I whipped eggs into a froth and grated Swiss cheese. We ate our omelettes outside, in full sun and a cool breeze. 

"What's for desert?" he asked. "Isn't there a frozen yogurt place a two-minute drive from here?"

I had something else in mind. Back in the kitchen, I handed him a water bottle, then strapped on a small pack I'd prepared earlier. 

We walked a mile or so through my neighborhood, admiring the houses' varied architecture, ending up (as planned) at a local park festooned with blackberry bushes. The most accessible branches had been picked clean, but with teamwork and persistence we were able to gather several large handfuls of fat, ripe berries, which we devoured on the spot. 

We'd been poked and scratched but didn't care. 

"Doesn't brunch usually end with champagne?" he wondered aloud, admiring his wounds.

Not this time. I pulled out two bottles of craft beer that I'd obtained from a neighbor in trade for repairing his ancient home stereo. Carlos had spent years crafting an American pilsner to die for, sweating every detail, including iconic, hand-painted labels. 

My friend accepted the bottle, then tried in vain to remove the cap. Not a twist-off.

"Opener?" he said. 

I handed him a small pocket knife, an antique without specialty blades. He soon discovered it could not be used to remove the cap directly. He looked at me with a bemused expression, no doubt wondering what I had up my sleeve this time. 

I pointed out that we were surrounded by white oaks, a species known for its hard wood. He got the message, smiled, and began hunting. Within seconds he'd collected a small fallen branch. I watched as he used the knife to fashion a few inches of it into a passable bottle opener. We popped the caps, toasted his new-found skill, and traded stories of our misspent youths.

"Oh, one more thing," I said.

I pulled a KX2 out of my pack, along with two lengths of wire. Of course he knew everything there was to know about Elecraft, and me, so he wasn't surprised when I also pulled out the rig's attachable keyer paddle. We threw one wire in the closest tree and laid the other on the ground.

He didn't have to ask whether I'd brought a laptop.

We listened to CW signals up and down 20 meters, which was open to Europe at the time. As he tuned in each station, I copied for him using pencil and paper. He'd learned Morse code, but only at very slow speeds. 

After making a contact, I set the internal keyer speed to 10 words per minute and dialed power output to zero, for practice purposes, then showed him how to use the paddle. He smiled as he got the hang of it. Sending the full alphabet was a challenge, but he got there. The KX2 decoded and displayed his keying, providing confirmation. 

We'd blown through his allotted lunch break by a factor of three, so it was time to go. We coiled up the antenna wires, packed up, and walked back. As I drove him back to his employer, we made plans to get together again for a weekend hike.

I could have just dropped him off, but we went back into the lobby together. Out of habit, he stopped in front of the elevator. Then he looked up.

"OK," he said. "I get it. This CW thing. It's slow, it's hard to do well, and it takes years of practice."

"Like hunting for your own food, or carving your own tools," I added.

"Or cooking from scratch. Or brewing your own beer. Building your own radio. And you use more of your senses. Not just your eyes, but your ears. Your sense of touch."

I nodded. Listening. Feeling. That was the radio I'd grown up with.

"Of course it's harder to work DX with CW than with FT8," I reminded him, playing devil's advocate.

"Is that what matters, though?" he asked. 

A longer discussion for another day.

"Your call," I said.

He gripped my shoulder and smiled, then reached toward the elevator's glowing, ivory colored button, framed by polished brass. 

The path most taken. 

Point. Click.

"On second thought," he said, "I'll take the stairs."

* * *

Wayne,
N6KR











From dpbunte at gmail.com  Sun Jul 12 11:19:49 2020
From: dpbunte at gmail.com (David Bunte)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 11:19:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
In-Reply-To: <4A64FD15-0130-4891-8897-33F482A9239F@elecraft.com>
References: <4A64FD15-0130-4891-8897-33F482A9239F@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CANCJpbRMm-Kfm-OPOkd=_hxw2DjRfZ3mh8mk7j+PfnQM2CH1CQ@mail.gmail.com>

Wayne -

That was one of the most beautiful stories I have heard in years... not
just because it was about ham radio, but because it was about so much
more... and wonderfully crafted as well. Many thanks for sharing.

Dave - K9FN (90 some percent CW with my K-Line)

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 11:10 AM Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> I have a friend about my age who got into amateur radio only a few years
> ago. Like many of us, he was enthusiastic about the technology. Intrigued
> with DX.
>
> I showed him my station; we talked endlessly about gear. Later, I helped
> him put up a simple wire antenna.
>
> Then, when his license arrived, he dove straight into FT8 and didn't look
> back. Within days, he'd worked all states, then DXCC. He'd bag a few rare
> ones over a light lunch, then pat his laptop on the back and congratulate
> his software app for its near-mythical ability to extract weak signals out
> of noise.
>
> Within weeks, he'd mastered everything there was to know about this
> glorious new hobby.
>
> Point. Click.
>
> In this new world order, those of us who took the longer, slower path to
> ionospheric enlightenment -- and who still occasionally enjoy making waves
> by hand -- often fail to explain why.
>
> I had failed to explain it to my friend. Even as hints of his boredom
> crept in, creating an opening, the best argument I'd made for trying CW was
> that he could do it without a computer. Coming in a weak second was the
> notion that CW was the original digital mode. For obvious reasons, I didn't
> bother with the classic argument about CW's signal-to-noise advantage over
> SSB.
>
> I had all but given up.
>
> Then, in a moment of delayed clarity, I decided on a different approach. I
> invited him to a weekday brunch. A bit of an escape. He willingly took the
> bait.
>
> On the appointed day, arriving at his workplace, I bypassed the lobby's
> glistening elevators and climbed the four flights of stairs to his office.
> I insisted we take the stairs down, too.
>
> "Why?" he asked. "And how'd you get up here so fast?"
>
> I pointed out that I always chose stairs, when possible. That's why I
> wasn't out of breath. We hustled down, jockeying for position, and emerged
> on the ground floor invigorated by the effort.
>
> "So, where are we going?" he asked. We'd been to every overrated
> twenty-dollar burger venue at least twice.
>
> I replied that we'd be going someplace we'd never tried. My kitchen.
>
> When we arrived, I put him to work chopping onions and broccoli and
> squeezing oranges while I whipped eggs into a froth and grated Swiss
> cheese. We ate our omelettes outside, in full sun and a cool breeze.
>
> "What's for desert?" he asked. "Isn't there a frozen yogurt place a
> two-minute drive from here?"
>
> I had something else in mind. Back in the kitchen, I handed him a water
> bottle, then strapped on a small pack I'd prepared earlier.
>
> We walked a mile or so through my neighborhood, admiring the houses'
> varied architecture, ending up (as planned) at a local park festooned with
> blackberry bushes. The most accessible branches had been picked clean, but
> with teamwork and persistence we were able to gather several large handfuls
> of fat, ripe berries, which we devoured on the spot.
>
> We'd been poked and scratched but didn't care.
>
> "Doesn't brunch usually end with champagne?" he wondered aloud, admiring
> his wounds.
>
> Not this time. I pulled out two bottles of craft beer that I'd obtained
> from a neighbor in trade for repairing his ancient home stereo. Carlos had
> spent years crafting an American pilsner to die for, sweating every detail,
> including iconic, hand-painted labels.
>
> My friend accepted the bottle, then tried in vain to remove the cap. Not a
> twist-off.
>
> "Opener?" he said.
>
> I handed him a small pocket knife, an antique without specialty blades. He
> soon discovered it could not be used to remove the cap directly. He looked
> at me with a bemused expression, no doubt wondering what I had up my sleeve
> this time.
>
> I pointed out that we were surrounded by white oaks, a species known for
> its hard wood. He got the message, smiled, and began hunting. Within
> seconds he'd collected a small fallen branch. I watched as he used the
> knife to fashion a few inches of it into a passable bottle opener. We
> popped the caps, toasted his new-found skill, and traded stories of our
> misspent youths.
>
> "Oh, one more thing," I said.
>
> I pulled a KX2 out of my pack, along with two lengths of wire. Of course
> he knew everything there was to know about Elecraft, and me, so he wasn't
> surprised when I also pulled out the rig's attachable keyer paddle. We
> threw one wire in the closest tree and laid the other on the ground.
>
> He didn't have to ask whether I'd brought a laptop.
>
> We listened to CW signals up and down 20 meters, which was open to Europe
> at the time. As he tuned in each station, I copied for him using pencil and
> paper. He'd learned Morse code, but only at very slow speeds.
>
> After making a contact, I set the internal keyer speed to 10 words per
> minute and dialed power output to zero, for practice purposes, then showed
> him how to use the paddle. He smiled as he got the hang of it. Sending the
> full alphabet was a challenge, but he got there. The KX2 decoded and
> displayed his keying, providing confirmation.
>
> We'd blown through his allotted lunch break by a factor of three, so it
> was time to go. We coiled up the antenna wires, packed up, and walked back.
> As I drove him back to his employer, we made plans to get together again
> for a weekend hike.
>
> I could have just dropped him off, but we went back into the lobby
> together. Out of habit, he stopped in front of the elevator. Then he looked
> up.
>
> "OK," he said. "I get it. This CW thing. It's slow, it's hard to do well,
> and it takes years of practice."
>
> "Like hunting for your own food, or carving your own tools," I added.
>
> "Or cooking from scratch. Or brewing your own beer. Building your own
> radio. And you use more of your senses. Not just your eyes, but your ears.
> Your sense of touch."
>
> I nodded. Listening. Feeling. That was the radio I'd grown up with.
>
> "Of course it's harder to work DX with CW than with FT8," I reminded him,
> playing devil's advocate.
>
> "Is that what matters, though?" he asked.
>
> A longer discussion for another day.
>
> "Your call," I said.
>
> He gripped my shoulder and smiled, then reached toward the elevator's
> glowing, ivory colored button, framed by polished brass.
>
> The path most taken.
>
> Point. Click.
>
> "On second thought," he said, "I'll take the stairs."
>
> * * *
>
> Wayne,
> N6KR
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From w0eb at cox.net  Sun Jul 12 11:25:55 2020
From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 15:25:55 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
In-Reply-To: <4A64FD15-0130-4891-8897-33F482A9239F@elecraft.com>
References: <4A64FD15-0130-4891-8897-33F482A9239F@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <em52925e08-df44-46f8-a23b-94ad30d9b43d@jimsdesktop-pc>

Outstanding story Wayne!  You're not the only one that has a ham friend 
like that either.  Sometimes I get a bit frustrated when people ask me 
about the hobby and why I only operate CW and my explanation falls on 
deaf ears.  I think I will have to try your approach to the situation 
and see if I can't get a few more interested.

The stairs are another thing though - LOL.  I'm 78 now with a very bad 
knee and don't walk or climb stairs very well any more (though I do 
still try) and I'm afraid most of the new hams I know that fit this 
category would leave me behind very quickly - hi hi.

I learned to copy CW as a "Morse Intercept Operator" in the US Army back 
in 1961, later taught myself to send with both a keyer and bug (I still 
prefer the mechanical bug), got my ham license in 1963 and have never 
looked back.  Still use CW 99.5 percent of the time and only use phone 
when absolutely necessary (mostly on the VHF/UHF FM repeaters).

Jim Sheldon, W0EB


------ Original Message ------
From: "Wayne Burdick" <n6kr at elecraft.com>
To: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: 7/12/2020 10:07:59 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."

>I have a friend about my age who got into amateur radio only a few years ago. Like many of us, he was enthusiastic about the technology. Intrigued with DX.
>
>I showed him my station; we talked endlessly about gear. Later, I helped him put up a simple wire antenna.
>
>Then, when his license arrived, he dove straight into FT8 and didn't look back. Within days, he'd worked all states, then DXCC. He'd bag a few rare ones over a light lunch, then pat his laptop on the back and congratulate his software app for its near-mythical ability to extract weak signals out of noise.
>
>Within weeks, he'd mastered everything there was to know about this glorious new hobby.
>
>Point. Click.
>
>In this new world order, those of us who took the longer, slower path to ionospheric enlightenment -- and who still occasionally enjoy making waves by hand -- often fail to explain why.
>
>I had failed to explain it to my friend. Even as hints of his boredom crept in, creating an opening, the best argument I'd made for trying CW was that he could do it without a computer. Coming in a weak second was the notion that CW was the original digital mode. For obvious reasons, I didn't bother with the classic argument about CW's signal-to-noise advantage over SSB.
>
>I had all but given up.
>
>Then, in a moment of delayed clarity, I decided on a different approach. I invited him to a weekday brunch. A bit of an escape. He willingly took the bait.
>
>On the appointed day, arriving at his workplace, I bypassed the lobby's glistening elevators and climbed the four flights of stairs to his office. I insisted we take the stairs down, too.
>
>"Why?" he asked. "And how'd you get up here so fast?"
>
>I pointed out that I always chose stairs, when possible. That's why I wasn't out of breath. We hustled down, jockeying for position, and emerged on the ground floor invigorated by the effort.
>
>"So, where are we going?" he asked. We'd been to every overrated twenty-dollar burger venue at least twice.
>
>I replied that we'd be going someplace we'd never tried. My kitchen.
>
>When we arrived, I put him to work chopping onions and broccoli and squeezing oranges while I whipped eggs into a froth and grated Swiss cheese. We ate our omelettes outside, in full sun and a cool breeze.
>
>"What's for desert?" he asked. "Isn't there a frozen yogurt place a two-minute drive from here?"
>
>I had something else in mind. Back in the kitchen, I handed him a water bottle, then strapped on a small pack I'd prepared earlier.
>
>We walked a mile or so through my neighborhood, admiring the houses' varied architecture, ending up (as planned) at a local park festooned with blackberry bushes. The most accessible branches had been picked clean, but with teamwork and persistence we were able to gather several large handfuls of fat, ripe berries, which we devoured on the spot.
>
>We'd been poked and scratched but didn't care.
>
>"Doesn't brunch usually end with champagne?" he wondered aloud, admiring his wounds.
>
>Not this time. I pulled out two bottles of craft beer that I'd obtained from a neighbor in trade for repairing his ancient home stereo. Carlos had spent years crafting an American pilsner to die for, sweating every detail, including iconic, hand-painted labels.
>
>My friend accepted the bottle, then tried in vain to remove the cap. Not a twist-off.
>
>"Opener?" he said.
>
>I handed him a small pocket knife, an antique without specialty blades. He soon discovered it could not be used to remove the cap directly. He looked at me with a bemused expression, no doubt wondering what I had up my sleeve this time.
>
>I pointed out that we were surrounded by white oaks, a species known for its hard wood. He got the message, smiled, and began hunting. Within seconds he'd collected a small fallen branch. I watched as he used the knife to fashion a few inches of it into a passable bottle opener. We popped the caps, toasted his new-found skill, and traded stories of our misspent youths.
>
>"Oh, one more thing," I said.
>
>I pulled a KX2 out of my pack, along with two lengths of wire. Of course he knew everything there was to know about Elecraft, and me, so he wasn't surprised when I also pulled out the rig's attachable keyer paddle. We threw one wire in the closest tree and laid the other on the ground.
>
>He didn't have to ask whether I'd brought a laptop.
>
>We listened to CW signals up and down 20 meters, which was open to Europe at the time. As he tuned in each station, I copied for him using pencil and paper. He'd learned Morse code, but only at very slow speeds.
>
>After making a contact, I set the internal keyer speed to 10 words per minute and dialed power output to zero, for practice purposes, then showed him how to use the paddle. He smiled as he got the hang of it. Sending the full alphabet was a challenge, but he got there. The KX2 decoded and displayed his keying, providing confirmation.
>
>We'd blown through his allotted lunch break by a factor of three, so it was time to go. We coiled up the antenna wires, packed up, and walked back. As I drove him back to his employer, we made plans to get together again for a weekend hike.
>
>I could have just dropped him off, but we went back into the lobby together. Out of habit, he stopped in front of the elevator. Then he looked up.
>
>"OK," he said. "I get it. This CW thing. It's slow, it's hard to do well, and it takes years of practice."
>
>"Like hunting for your own food, or carving your own tools," I added.
>
>"Or cooking from scratch. Or brewing your own beer. Building your own radio. And you use more of your senses. Not just your eyes, but your ears. Your sense of touch."
>
>I nodded. Listening. Feeling. That was the radio I'd grown up with.
>
>"Of course it's harder to work DX with CW than with FT8," I reminded him, playing devil's advocate.
>
>"Is that what matters, though?" he asked.
>
>A longer discussion for another day.
>
>"Your call," I said.
>
>He gripped my shoulder and smiled, then reached toward the elevator's glowing, ivory colored button, framed by polished brass.
>
>The path most taken.
>
>Point. Click.
>
>"On second thought," he said, "I'll take the stairs."
>
>* * *
>
>Wayne,
>N6KR
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From macymonkeys at charter.net  Sun Jul 12 11:52:21 2020
From: macymonkeys at charter.net (Macy monkeys)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 08:52:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
In-Reply-To: <4A64FD15-0130-4891-8897-33F482A9239F@elecraft.com>
References: <4A64FD15-0130-4891-8897-33F482A9239F@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <B1D32516-3C24-468B-9F24-EBE07148EAA7@charter.net>

Great way to start a discussion on an otherwise lackluster Sunday! I'm even more of an reactionary ? No personal computers attached to my rigs. And I've given up paddles and keyers for cooties. I'm hopelessly lost in the past!!

John K7FD

> On Jul 12, 2020, at 8:07 AM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a friend about my age who got into amateur radio only a few years ago. Like many of us, he was enthusiastic about the technology. Intrigued with DX. 
> 
> I showed him my station; we talked endlessly about gear. Later, I helped him put up a simple wire antenna.
> 
> Then, when his license arrived, he dove straight into FT8 and didn't look back. Within days, he'd worked all states, then DXCC. He'd bag a few rare ones over a light lunch, then pat his laptop on the back and congratulate his software app for its near-mythical ability to extract weak signals out of noise. 
> 
> Within weeks, he'd mastered everything there was to know about this glorious new hobby. 
> 
> Point. Click.
> 
> In this new world order, those of us who took the longer, slower path to ionospheric enlightenment -- and who still occasionally enjoy making waves by hand -- often fail to explain why. 
> 
> I had failed to explain it to my friend. Even as hints of his boredom crept in, creating an opening, the best argument I'd made for trying CW was that he could do it without a computer. Coming in a weak second was the notion that CW was the original digital mode. For obvious reasons, I didn't bother with the classic argument about CW's signal-to-noise advantage over SSB. 
> 
> I had all but given up. 
> 
> Then, in a moment of delayed clarity, I decided on a different approach. I invited him to a weekday brunch. A bit of an escape. He willingly took the bait.
> 
> On the appointed day, arriving at his workplace, I bypassed the lobby's glistening elevators and climbed the four flights of stairs to his office. I insisted we take the stairs down, too. 
> 
> "Why?" he asked. "And how'd you get up here so fast?" 
> 
> I pointed out that I always chose stairs, when possible. That's why I wasn't out of breath. We hustled down, jockeying for position, and emerged on the ground floor invigorated by the effort.
> 
> "So, where are we going?" he asked. We'd been to every overrated twenty-dollar burger venue at least twice.
> 
> I replied that we'd be going someplace we'd never tried. My kitchen. 
> 
> When we arrived, I put him to work chopping onions and broccoli and squeezing oranges while I whipped eggs into a froth and grated Swiss cheese. We ate our omelettes outside, in full sun and a cool breeze. 
> 
> "What's for desert?" he asked. "Isn't there a frozen yogurt place a two-minute drive from here?"
> 
> I had something else in mind. Back in the kitchen, I handed him a water bottle, then strapped on a small pack I'd prepared earlier. 
> 
> We walked a mile or so through my neighborhood, admiring the houses' varied architecture, ending up (as planned) at a local park festooned with blackberry bushes. The most accessible branches had been picked clean, but with teamwork and persistence we were able to gather several large handfuls of fat, ripe berries, which we devoured on the spot. 
> 
> We'd been poked and scratched but didn't care. 
> 
> "Doesn't brunch usually end with champagne?" he wondered aloud, admiring his wounds.
> 
> Not this time. I pulled out two bottles of craft beer that I'd obtained from a neighbor in trade for repairing his ancient home stereo. Carlos had spent years crafting an American pilsner to die for, sweating every detail, including iconic, hand-painted labels. 
> 
> My friend accepted the bottle, then tried in vain to remove the cap. Not a twist-off.
> 
> "Opener?" he said. 
> 
> I handed him a small pocket knife, an antique without specialty blades. He soon discovered it could not be used to remove the cap directly. He looked at me with a bemused expression, no doubt wondering what I had up my sleeve this time. 
> 
> I pointed out that we were surrounded by white oaks, a species known for its hard wood. He got the message, smiled, and began hunting. Within seconds he'd collected a small fallen branch. I watched as he used the knife to fashion a few inches of it into a passable bottle opener. We popped the caps, toasted his new-found skill, and traded stories of our misspent youths.
> 
> "Oh, one more thing," I said.
> 
> I pulled a KX2 out of my pack, along with two lengths of wire. Of course he knew everything there was to know about Elecraft, and me, so he wasn't surprised when I also pulled out the rig's attachable keyer paddle. We threw one wire in the closest tree and laid the other on the ground.
> 
> He didn't have to ask whether I'd brought a laptop.
> 
> We listened to CW signals up and down 20 meters, which was open to Europe at the time. As he tuned in each station, I copied for him using pencil and paper. He'd learned Morse code, but only at very slow speeds. 
> 
> After making a contact, I set the internal keyer speed to 10 words per minute and dialed power output to zero, for practice purposes, then showed him how to use the paddle. He smiled as he got the hang of it. Sending the full alphabet was a challenge, but he got there. The KX2 decoded and displayed his keying, providing confirmation. 
> 
> We'd blown through his allotted lunch break by a factor of three, so it was time to go. We coiled up the antenna wires, packed up, and walked back. As I drove him back to his employer, we made plans to get together again for a weekend hike.
> 
> I could have just dropped him off, but we went back into the lobby together. Out of habit, he stopped in front of the elevator. Then he looked up.
> 
> "OK," he said. "I get it. This CW thing. It's slow, it's hard to do well, and it takes years of practice."
> 
> "Like hunting for your own food, or carving your own tools," I added.
> 
> "Or cooking from scratch. Or brewing your own beer. Building your own radio. And you use more of your senses. Not just your eyes, but your ears. Your sense of touch."
> 
> I nodded. Listening. Feeling. That was the radio I'd grown up with.
> 
> "Of course it's harder to work DX with CW than with FT8," I reminded him, playing devil's advocate.
> 
> "Is that what matters, though?" he asked. 
> 
> A longer discussion for another day.
> 
> "Your call," I said.
> 
> He gripped my shoulder and smiled, then reached toward the elevator's glowing, ivory colored button, framed by polished brass. 
> 
> The path most taken. 
> 
> Point. Click.
> 
> "On second thought," he said, "I'll take the stairs."
> 
> * * *
> 
> Wayne,
> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From dbthompson at me.com  Sun Jul 12 11:55:23 2020
From: dbthompson at me.com (David Thompson)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 08:55:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
In-Reply-To: <4A64FD15-0130-4891-8897-33F482A9239F@elecraft.com>
References: <4A64FD15-0130-4891-8897-33F482A9239F@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <3A920C4E-0E43-46F8-A717-8913AB4D88AD@me.com>

Morning Wayne,

From one writer to another, that was a very nice piece! Like Elecraft radios, it was well-crafted and had just the right amount of ?stuff.?

I?ve been a ham for a little more than a year. I?ve worked quite a few stations using FT8 ? because that is about all I can do here at the house. If have S7-S9 noise because of ancient power equipment in my neighborhood. Phone is out of the question. So it was FT8 if I wanted to play radio at home.

Most of my ops are portable. I go out on weekends or during the week when I can, set up a portable station, and talk to other operators. I?m a little shy, so I?m not much of a ragchewer. But I like the contests, QSOPs, and working special event stations.

Last fall I enrolled in the CW Academy and completed Basic and Beginner. One of the mentors is running an ad hoc Intermediate class this summer. I?m up to about 10wpm now and continue practicing to get my copy speed up. I?m not good enough (yet) to run a frequency, but that?s my goal.

There have been many times I just sat at the rig, in the field, and tuned the bands? just listening to the other stations. I find something comforting in knowing there are these operators out there, communicating in a simple fashion using a relatively simple technology.

I?m hearing a few slow-code stations talking on 40m many evenings. If I?m home, I turn my web browser to one of the websdr sites and listen. 

On Wednesdays I can sometimes hear a few stations during the CWTs at home. I?ve even worked a few of them from home, with my slow, clumsy fist. 

I really dislike listening to stations on my home rig, an upgraded K3. Because of the noise, when I use NB/NR to get a better SNR, the tone is chopped up and does not sound pleasant to the ear, as it should. But it gives me the chance to work a couple of stations and it?s only an hour at a time, so I can tolerate it that long.

But I am enjoying my radios. I don?t mind working portable at all. The weather is often nice here in northern Nevada and I like the outdoors.

I am also enjoying the CW mode. In many respects I?m something of a purist and the CW mode appeals to that part of my personality. There is something clean about the tone of CW and well-sent More Code is quite musical.

I also prefer the stairs?

73 de AG7TX

David Thompson, AG7TX
Jack of All Trades
Master of None
dbthompson at me.com




> On Jul 12, 2020, at 08:07, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a friend about my age who got into amateur radio only a few years ago. Like many of us, he was enthusiastic about the technology. Intrigued with DX. 
> 
> I showed him my station; we talked endlessly about gear. Later, I helped him put up a simple wire antenna.
> 
> Then, when his license arrived, he dove straight into FT8 and didn't look back. Within days, he'd worked all states, then DXCC. He'd bag a few rare ones over a light lunch, then pat his laptop on the back and congratulate his software app for its near-mythical ability to extract weak signals out of noise. 
> 
> Within weeks, he'd mastered everything there was to know about this glorious new hobby. 
> 
> Point. Click.
> 
> In this new world order, those of us who took the longer, slower path to ionospheric enlightenment -- and who still occasionally enjoy making waves by hand -- often fail to explain why. 
> 
> I had failed to explain it to my friend. Even as hints of his boredom crept in, creating an opening, the best argument I'd made for trying CW was that he could do it without a computer. Coming in a weak second was the notion that CW was the original digital mode. For obvious reasons, I didn't bother with the classic argument about CW's signal-to-noise advantage over SSB. 
> 
> I had all but given up. 
> 
> Then, in a moment of delayed clarity, I decided on a different approach. I invited him to a weekday brunch. A bit of an escape. He willingly took the bait.
> 
> On the appointed day, arriving at his workplace, I bypassed the lobby's glistening elevators and climbed the four flights of stairs to his office. I insisted we take the stairs down, too. 
> 
> "Why?" he asked. "And how'd you get up here so fast?" 
> 
> I pointed out that I always chose stairs, when possible. That's why I wasn't out of breath. We hustled down, jockeying for position, and emerged on the ground floor invigorated by the effort.
> 
> "So, where are we going?" he asked. We'd been to every overrated twenty-dollar burger venue at least twice.
> 
> I replied that we'd be going someplace we'd never tried. My kitchen. 
> 
> When we arrived, I put him to work chopping onions and broccoli and squeezing oranges while I whipped eggs into a froth and grated Swiss cheese. We ate our omelettes outside, in full sun and a cool breeze. 
> 
> "What's for desert?" he asked. "Isn't there a frozen yogurt place a two-minute drive from here?"
> 
> I had something else in mind. Back in the kitchen, I handed him a water bottle, then strapped on a small pack I'd prepared earlier. 
> 
> We walked a mile or so through my neighborhood, admiring the houses' varied architecture, ending up (as planned) at a local park festooned with blackberry bushes. The most accessible branches had been picked clean, but with teamwork and persistence we were able to gather several large handfuls of fat, ripe berries, which we devoured on the spot. 
> 
> We'd been poked and scratched but didn't care. 
> 
> "Doesn't brunch usually end with champagne?" he wondered aloud, admiring his wounds.
> 
> Not this time. I pulled out two bottles of craft beer that I'd obtained from a neighbor in trade for repairing his ancient home stereo. Carlos had spent years crafting an American pilsner to die for, sweating every detail, including iconic, hand-painted labels. 
> 
> My friend accepted the bottle, then tried in vain to remove the cap. Not a twist-off.
> 
> "Opener?" he said. 
> 
> I handed him a small pocket knife, an antique without specialty blades. He soon discovered it could not be used to remove the cap directly. He looked at me with a bemused expression, no doubt wondering what I had up my sleeve this time. 
> 
> I pointed out that we were surrounded by white oaks, a species known for its hard wood. He got the message, smiled, and began hunting. Within seconds he'd collected a small fallen branch. I watched as he used the knife to fashion a few inches of it into a passable bottle opener. We popped the caps, toasted his new-found skill, and traded stories of our misspent youths.
> 
> "Oh, one more thing," I said.
> 
> I pulled a KX2 out of my pack, along with two lengths of wire. Of course he knew everything there was to know about Elecraft, and me, so he wasn't surprised when I also pulled out the rig's attachable keyer paddle. We threw one wire in the closest tree and laid the other on the ground.
> 
> He didn't have to ask whether I'd brought a laptop.
> 
> We listened to CW signals up and down 20 meters, which was open to Europe at the time. As he tuned in each station, I copied for him using pencil and paper. He'd learned Morse code, but only at very slow speeds. 
> 
> After making a contact, I set the internal keyer speed to 10 words per minute and dialed power output to zero, for practice purposes, then showed him how to use the paddle. He smiled as he got the hang of it. Sending the full alphabet was a challenge, but he got there. The KX2 decoded and displayed his keying, providing confirmation. 
> 
> We'd blown through his allotted lunch break by a factor of three, so it was time to go. We coiled up the antenna wires, packed up, and walked back. As I drove him back to his employer, we made plans to get together again for a weekend hike.
> 
> I could have just dropped him off, but we went back into the lobby together. Out of habit, he stopped in front of the elevator. Then he looked up.
> 
> "OK," he said. "I get it. This CW thing. It's slow, it's hard to do well, and it takes years of practice."
> 
> "Like hunting for your own food, or carving your own tools," I added.
> 
> "Or cooking from scratch. Or brewing your own beer. Building your own radio. And you use more of your senses. Not just your eyes, but your ears. Your sense of touch."
> 
> I nodded. Listening. Feeling. That was the radio I'd grown up with.
> 
> "Of course it's harder to work DX with CW than with FT8," I reminded him, playing devil's advocate.
> 
> "Is that what matters, though?" he asked. 
> 
> A longer discussion for another day.
> 
> "Your call," I said.
> 
> He gripped my shoulder and smiled, then reached toward the elevator's glowing, ivory colored button, framed by polished brass. 
> 
> The path most taken. 
> 
> Point. Click.
> 
> "On second thought," he said, "I'll take the stairs."
> 
> * * *
> 
> Wayne,
> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From ve7day at telus.net  Sun Jul 12 11:56:02 2020
From: ve7day at telus.net (John)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 08:56:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
In-Reply-To: <4A64FD15-0130-4891-8897-33F482A9239F@elecraft.com>
References: <4A64FD15-0130-4891-8897-33F482A9239F@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <4ac7cd7c-29b7-c740-c2bc-70ef8e68e48d@telus.net>

Thanks Wayne.

Reminded me of Carl and Jerry.

73.

John.

ve7day.


On 12/07/2020 8:07 a.m., Wayne Burdick wrote:
> I have a friend about my age who got into amateur radio only a few years ago. Like many of us, he was enthusiastic about the technology. Intrigued with DX.
>
> I showed him my station; we talked endlessly about gear. Later, I helped him put up a simple wire antenna.
>
> Then, when his license arrived, he dove straight into FT8 and didn't look back. Within days, he'd worked all states, then DXCC. He'd bag a few rare ones over a light lunch, then pat his laptop on the back and congratulate his software app for its near-mythical ability to extract weak signals out of noise.
>
> Within weeks, he'd mastered everything there was to know about this glorious new hobby.
>
> Point. Click.
>
> In this new world order, those of us who took the longer, slower path to ionospheric enlightenment -- and who still occasionally enjoy making waves by hand -- often fail to explain why.
>
> I had failed to explain it to my friend. Even as hints of his boredom crept in, creating an opening, the best argument I'd made for trying CW was that he could do it without a computer. Coming in a weak second was the notion that CW was the original digital mode. For obvious reasons, I didn't bother with the classic argument about CW's signal-to-noise advantage over SSB.
>
> I had all but given up.
>
> Then, in a moment of delayed clarity, I decided on a different approach. I invited him to a weekday brunch. A bit of an escape. He willingly took the bait.
>
> On the appointed day, arriving at his workplace, I bypassed the lobby's glistening elevators and climbed the four flights of stairs to his office. I insisted we take the stairs down, too.
>
> "Why?" he asked. "And how'd you get up here so fast?"
>
> I pointed out that I always chose stairs, when possible. That's why I wasn't out of breath. We hustled down, jockeying for position, and emerged on the ground floor invigorated by the effort.
>
> "So, where are we going?" he asked. We'd been to every overrated twenty-dollar burger venue at least twice.
>
> I replied that we'd be going someplace we'd never tried. My kitchen.
>
> When we arrived, I put him to work chopping onions and broccoli and squeezing oranges while I whipped eggs into a froth and grated Swiss cheese. We ate our omelettes outside, in full sun and a cool breeze.
>
> "What's for desert?" he asked. "Isn't there a frozen yogurt place a two-minute drive from here?"
>
> I had something else in mind. Back in the kitchen, I handed him a water bottle, then strapped on a small pack I'd prepared earlier.
>
> We walked a mile or so through my neighborhood, admiring the houses' varied architecture, ending up (as planned) at a local park festooned with blackberry bushes. The most accessible branches had been picked clean, but with teamwork and persistence we were able to gather several large handfuls of fat, ripe berries, which we devoured on the spot.
>
> We'd been poked and scratched but didn't care.
>
> "Doesn't brunch usually end with champagne?" he wondered aloud, admiring his wounds.
>
> Not this time. I pulled out two bottles of craft beer that I'd obtained from a neighbor in trade for repairing his ancient home stereo. Carlos had spent years crafting an American pilsner to die for, sweating every detail, including iconic, hand-painted labels.
>
> My friend accepted the bottle, then tried in vain to remove the cap. Not a twist-off.
>
> "Opener?" he said.
>
> I handed him a small pocket knife, an antique without specialty blades. He soon discovered it could not be used to remove the cap directly. He looked at me with a bemused expression, no doubt wondering what I had up my sleeve this time.
>
> I pointed out that we were surrounded by white oaks, a species known for its hard wood. He got the message, smiled, and began hunting. Within seconds he'd collected a small fallen branch. I watched as he used the knife to fashion a few inches of it into a passable bottle opener. We popped the caps, toasted his new-found skill, and traded stories of our misspent youths.
>
> "Oh, one more thing," I said.
>
> I pulled a KX2 out of my pack, along with two lengths of wire. Of course he knew everything there was to know about Elecraft, and me, so he wasn't surprised when I also pulled out the rig's attachable keyer paddle. We threw one wire in the closest tree and laid the other on the ground.
>
> He didn't have to ask whether I'd brought a laptop.
>
> We listened to CW signals up and down 20 meters, which was open to Europe at the time. As he tuned in each station, I copied for him using pencil and paper. He'd learned Morse code, but only at very slow speeds.
>
> After making a contact, I set the internal keyer speed to 10 words per minute and dialed power output to zero, for practice purposes, then showed him how to use the paddle. He smiled as he got the hang of it. Sending the full alphabet was a challenge, but he got there. The KX2 decoded and displayed his keying, providing confirmation.
>
> We'd blown through his allotted lunch break by a factor of three, so it was time to go. We coiled up the antenna wires, packed up, and walked back. As I drove him back to his employer, we made plans to get together again for a weekend hike.
>
> I could have just dropped him off, but we went back into the lobby together. Out of habit, he stopped in front of the elevator. Then he looked up.
>
> "OK," he said. "I get it. This CW thing. It's slow, it's hard to do well, and it takes years of practice."
>
> "Like hunting for your own food, or carving your own tools," I added.
>
> "Or cooking from scratch. Or brewing your own beer. Building your own radio. And you use more of your senses. Not just your eyes, but your ears. Your sense of touch."
>
> I nodded. Listening. Feeling. That was the radio I'd grown up with.
>
> "Of course it's harder to work DX with CW than with FT8," I reminded him, playing devil's advocate.
>
> "Is that what matters, though?" he asked.
>
> A longer discussion for another day.
>
> "Your call," I said.
>
> He gripped my shoulder and smiled, then reached toward the elevator's glowing, ivory colored button, framed by polished brass.
>
> The path most taken.
>
> Point. Click.
>
> "On second thought," he said, "I'll take the stairs."
>
> * * *
>
> Wayne,
> N6KR
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From david.n5dch at gmail.com  Sun Jul 12 12:09:44 2020
From: david.n5dch at gmail.com (David Herring)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 10:09:44 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
In-Reply-To: <4ac7cd7c-29b7-c740-c2bc-70ef8e68e48d@telus.net>
References: <4A64FD15-0130-4891-8897-33F482A9239F@elecraft.com>
	<4ac7cd7c-29b7-c740-c2bc-70ef8e68e48d@telus.net>
Message-ID: <CA9D154B-17B0-439D-BA55-17A1E57238EB@gmail.com>

Wayne,

You know from our previous conversations that I am a writer as well. I so appreciate reading a good story that?s well written.

What takes a well written story from good to great is its effectiveness, that is, when the story causes the reader to move or act. 

I caught myself a few moments ago digging out my paddles with thoughts of dusting off my CW skills?

Nicely done!

73,
David - N5DCH



> On Jul 12, 2020, at 9:56 AM, John <ve7day at telus.net> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Wayne.
> 
> Reminded me of Carl and Jerry.
> 
> 73.
> 
> John.
> 
> ve7day.
> 
> 
> On 12/07/2020 8:07 a.m., Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> I have a friend about my age who got into amateur radio only a few years ago. Like many of us, he was enthusiastic about the technology. Intrigued with DX.
>> 
>> I showed him my station; we talked endlessly about gear. Later, I helped him put up a simple wire antenna.
>> 
>> Then, when his license arrived, he dove straight into FT8 and didn't look back. Within days, he'd worked all states, then DXCC. He'd bag a few rare ones over a light lunch, then pat his laptop on the back and congratulate his software app for its near-mythical ability to extract weak signals out of noise.
>> 
>> Within weeks, he'd mastered everything there was to know about this glorious new hobby.
>> 
>> Point. Click.
>> 
>> In this new world order, those of us who took the longer, slower path to ionospheric enlightenment -- and who still occasionally enjoy making waves by hand -- often fail to explain why.
>> 
>> I had failed to explain it to my friend. Even as hints of his boredom crept in, creating an opening, the best argument I'd made for trying CW was that he could do it without a computer. Coming in a weak second was the notion that CW was the original digital mode. For obvious reasons, I didn't bother with the classic argument about CW's signal-to-noise advantage over SSB.
>> 
>> I had all but given up.
>> 
>> Then, in a moment of delayed clarity, I decided on a different approach. I invited him to a weekday brunch. A bit of an escape. He willingly took the bait.
>> 
>> On the appointed day, arriving at his workplace, I bypassed the lobby's glistening elevators and climbed the four flights of stairs to his office. I insisted we take the stairs down, too.
>> 
>> "Why?" he asked. "And how'd you get up here so fast?"
>> 
>> I pointed out that I always chose stairs, when possible. That's why I wasn't out of breath. We hustled down, jockeying for position, and emerged on the ground floor invigorated by the effort.
>> 
>> "So, where are we going?" he asked. We'd been to every overrated twenty-dollar burger venue at least twice.
>> 
>> I replied that we'd be going someplace we'd never tried. My kitchen.
>> 
>> When we arrived, I put him to work chopping onions and broccoli and squeezing oranges while I whipped eggs into a froth and grated Swiss cheese. We ate our omelettes outside, in full sun and a cool breeze.
>> 
>> "What's for desert?" he asked. "Isn't there a frozen yogurt place a two-minute drive from here?"
>> 
>> I had something else in mind. Back in the kitchen, I handed him a water bottle, then strapped on a small pack I'd prepared earlier.
>> 
>> We walked a mile or so through my neighborhood, admiring the houses' varied architecture, ending up (as planned) at a local park festooned with blackberry bushes. The most accessible branches had been picked clean, but with teamwork and persistence we were able to gather several large handfuls of fat, ripe berries, which we devoured on the spot.
>> 
>> We'd been poked and scratched but didn't care.
>> 
>> "Doesn't brunch usually end with champagne?" he wondered aloud, admiring his wounds.
>> 
>> Not this time. I pulled out two bottles of craft beer that I'd obtained from a neighbor in trade for repairing his ancient home stereo. Carlos had spent years crafting an American pilsner to die for, sweating every detail, including iconic, hand-painted labels.
>> 
>> My friend accepted the bottle, then tried in vain to remove the cap. Not a twist-off.
>> 
>> "Opener?" he said.
>> 
>> I handed him a small pocket knife, an antique without specialty blades. He soon discovered it could not be used to remove the cap directly. He looked at me with a bemused expression, no doubt wondering what I had up my sleeve this time.
>> 
>> I pointed out that we were surrounded by white oaks, a species known for its hard wood. He got the message, smiled, and began hunting. Within seconds he'd collected a small fallen branch. I watched as he used the knife to fashion a few inches of it into a passable bottle opener. We popped the caps, toasted his new-found skill, and traded stories of our misspent youths.
>> 
>> "Oh, one more thing," I said.
>> 
>> I pulled a KX2 out of my pack, along with two lengths of wire. Of course he knew everything there was to know about Elecraft, and me, so he wasn't surprised when I also pulled out the rig's attachable keyer paddle. We threw one wire in the closest tree and laid the other on the ground.
>> 
>> He didn't have to ask whether I'd brought a laptop.
>> 
>> We listened to CW signals up and down 20 meters, which was open to Europe at the time. As he tuned in each station, I copied for him using pencil and paper. He'd learned Morse code, but only at very slow speeds.
>> 
>> After making a contact, I set the internal keyer speed to 10 words per minute and dialed power output to zero, for practice purposes, then showed him how to use the paddle. He smiled as he got the hang of it. Sending the full alphabet was a challenge, but he got there. The KX2 decoded and displayed his keying, providing confirmation.
>> 
>> We'd blown through his allotted lunch break by a factor of three, so it was time to go. We coiled up the antenna wires, packed up, and walked back. As I drove him back to his employer, we made plans to get together again for a weekend hike.
>> 
>> I could have just dropped him off, but we went back into the lobby together. Out of habit, he stopped in front of the elevator. Then he looked up.
>> 
>> "OK," he said. "I get it. This CW thing. It's slow, it's hard to do well, and it takes years of practice."
>> 
>> "Like hunting for your own food, or carving your own tools," I added.
>> 
>> "Or cooking from scratch. Or brewing your own beer. Building your own radio. And you use more of your senses. Not just your eyes, but your ears. Your sense of touch."
>> 
>> I nodded. Listening. Feeling. That was the radio I'd grown up with.
>> 
>> "Of course it's harder to work DX with CW than with FT8," I reminded him, playing devil's advocate.
>> 
>> "Is that what matters, though?" he asked.
>> 
>> A longer discussion for another day.
>> 
>> "Your call," I said.
>> 
>> He gripped my shoulder and smiled, then reached toward the elevator's glowing, ivory colored button, framed by polished brass.
>> 
>> The path most taken.
>> 
>> Point. Click.
>> 
>> "On second thought," he said, "I'll take the stairs."
>> 
>> * * *
>> 
>> Wayne,
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From mdowns at msn.com  Sun Jul 12 12:13:09 2020
From: mdowns at msn.com (Michael Downs)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 16:13:09 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
In-Reply-To: <em52925e08-df44-46f8-a23b-94ad30d9b43d@jimsdesktop-pc>
References: <4A64FD15-0130-4891-8897-33F482A9239F@elecraft.com>,
	<em52925e08-df44-46f8-a23b-94ad30d9b43d@jimsdesktop-pc>
Message-ID: <MWHPR14MB18535046EFC62894F1DA376DC9630@MWHPR14MB1853.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

Nice story Wayne. I?m 75 going on extinction. I always take the stairs too and I walk three to four miles a day. Keeps the mind clear and the fist strong. 73 & good DX

Mike KS7D 
Sent from my iPhone
www.ks7d.com

> On Jul 12, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Jim Sheldon <w0eb at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Outstanding story Wayne!  You're not the only one that has a ham friend like that either.  Sometimes I get a bit frustrated when people ask me about the hobby and why I only operate CW and my explanation falls on deaf ears.  I think I will have to try your approach to the situation and see if I can't get a few more interested.
> 
> The stairs are another thing though - LOL.  I'm 78 now with a very bad knee and don't walk or climb stairs very well any more (though I do still try) and I'm afraid most of the new hams I know that fit this category would leave me behind very quickly - hi hi.
> 
> I learned to copy CW as a "Morse Intercept Operator" in the US Army back in 1961, later taught myself to send with both a keyer and bug (I still prefer the mechanical bug), got my ham license in 1963 and have never looked back.  Still use CW 99.5 percent of the time and only use phone when absolutely necessary (mostly on the VHF/UHF FM repeaters).
> 
> Jim Sheldon, W0EB
> 
> 
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Wayne Burdick" <n6kr at elecraft.com>
> To: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: 7/12/2020 10:07:59 AM
> Subject: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
> 
>> I have a friend about my age who got into amateur radio only a few years ago. Like many of us, he was enthusiastic about the technology. Intrigued with DX.
>> 
>> I showed him my station; we talked endlessly about gear. Later, I helped him put up a simple wire antenna.
>> 
>> Then, when his license arrived, he dove straight into FT8 and didn't look back. Within days, he'd worked all states, then DXCC. He'd bag a few rare ones over a light lunch, then pat his laptop on the back and congratulate his software app for its near-mythical ability to extract weak signals out of noise.
>> 
>> Within weeks, he'd mastered everything there was to know about this glorious new hobby.
>> 
>> Point. Click.
>> 
>> In this new world order, those of us who took the longer, slower path to ionospheric enlightenment -- and who still occasionally enjoy making waves by hand -- often fail to explain why.
>> 
>> I had failed to explain it to my friend. Even as hints of his boredom crept in, creating an opening, the best argument I'd made for trying CW was that he could do it without a computer. Coming in a weak second was the notion that CW was the original digital mode. For obvious reasons, I didn't bother with the classic argument about CW's signal-to-noise advantage over SSB.
>> 
>> I had all but given up.
>> 
>> Then, in a moment of delayed clarity, I decided on a different approach. I invited him to a weekday brunch. A bit of an escape. He willingly took the bait.
>> 
>> On the appointed day, arriving at his workplace, I bypassed the lobby's glistening elevators and climbed the four flights of stairs to his office. I insisted we take the stairs down, too.
>> 
>> "Why?" he asked. "And how'd you get up here so fast?"
>> 
>> I pointed out that I always chose stairs, when possible. That's why I wasn't out of breath. We hustled down, jockeying for position, and emerged on the ground floor invigorated by the effort.
>> 
>> "So, where are we going?" he asked. We'd been to every overrated twenty-dollar burger venue at least twice.
>> 
>> I replied that we'd be going someplace we'd never tried. My kitchen.
>> 
>> When we arrived, I put him to work chopping onions and broccoli and squeezing oranges while I whipped eggs into a froth and grated Swiss cheese. We ate our omelettes outside, in full sun and a cool breeze.
>> 
>> "What's for desert?" he asked. "Isn't there a frozen yogurt place a two-minute drive from here?"
>> 
>> I had something else in mind. Back in the kitchen, I handed him a water bottle, then strapped on a small pack I'd prepared earlier.
>> 
>> We walked a mile or so through my neighborhood, admiring the houses' varied architecture, ending up (as planned) at a local park festooned with blackberry bushes. The most accessible branches had been picked clean, but with teamwork and persistence we were able to gather several large handfuls of fat, ripe berries, which we devoured on the spot.
>> 
>> We'd been poked and scratched but didn't care.
>> 
>> "Doesn't brunch usually end with champagne?" he wondered aloud, admiring his wounds.
>> 
>> Not this time. I pulled out two bottles of craft beer that I'd obtained from a neighbor in trade for repairing his ancient home stereo. Carlos had spent years crafting an American pilsner to die for, sweating every detail, including iconic, hand-painted labels.
>> 
>> My friend accepted the bottle, then tried in vain to remove the cap. Not a twist-off.
>> 
>> "Opener?" he said.
>> 
>> I handed him a small pocket knife, an antique without specialty blades. He soon discovered it could not be used to remove the cap directly. He looked at me with a bemused expression, no doubt wondering what I had up my sleeve this time.
>> 
>> I pointed out that we were surrounded by white oaks, a species known for its hard wood. He got the message, smiled, and began hunting. Within seconds he'd collected a small fallen branch. I watched as he used the knife to fashion a few inches of it into a passable bottle opener. We popped the caps, toasted his new-found skill, and traded stories of our misspent youths.
>> 
>> "Oh, one more thing," I said.
>> 
>> I pulled a KX2 out of my pack, along with two lengths of wire. Of course he knew everything there was to know about Elecraft, and me, so he wasn't surprised when I also pulled out the rig's attachable keyer paddle. We threw one wire in the closest tree and laid the other on the ground.
>> 
>> He didn't have to ask whether I'd brought a laptop.
>> 
>> We listened to CW signals up and down 20 meters, which was open to Europe at the time. As he tuned in each station, I copied for him using pencil and paper. He'd learned Morse code, but only at very slow speeds.
>> 
>> After making a contact, I set the internal keyer speed to 10 words per minute and dialed power output to zero, for practice purposes, then showed him how to use the paddle. He smiled as he got the hang of it. Sending the full alphabet was a challenge, but he got there. The KX2 decoded and displayed his keying, providing confirmation.
>> 
>> We'd blown through his allotted lunch break by a factor of three, so it was time to go. We coiled up the antenna wires, packed up, and walked back. As I drove him back to his employer, we made plans to get together again for a weekend hike.
>> 
>> I could have just dropped him off, but we went back into the lobby together. Out of habit, he stopped in front of the elevator. Then he looked up.
>> 
>> "OK," he said. "I get it. This CW thing. It's slow, it's hard to do well, and it takes years of practice."
>> 
>> "Like hunting for your own food, or carving your own tools," I added.
>> 
>> "Or cooking from scratch. Or brewing your own beer. Building your own radio. And you use more of your senses. Not just your eyes, but your ears. Your sense of touch."
>> 
>> I nodded. Listening. Feeling. That was the radio I'd grown up with.
>> 
>> "Of course it's harder to work DX with CW than with FT8," I reminded him, playing devil's advocate.
>> 
>> "Is that what matters, though?" he asked.
>> 
>> A longer discussion for another day.
>> 
>> "Your call," I said.
>> 
>> He gripped my shoulder and smiled, then reached toward the elevator's glowing, ivory colored button, framed by polished brass.
>> 
>> The path most taken.
>> 
>> Point. Click.
>> 
>> "On second thought," he said, "I'll take the stairs."
>> 
>> * * *
>> 
>> Wayne,
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Sun Jul 12 12:19:13 2020
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 12:19:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
In-Reply-To: <4A64FD15-0130-4891-8897-33F482A9239F@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-F69610F029A4497891E4D2CFBAAC88B7@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

I love Wayne's story, which demonstrates how much more value you 
get from mastering activities that involve some difficulty. As 
others have pointed out, it is very well written too. However, 
sometimes those arguments don't work.


When that happens, my favorite argument is: And how do you ask 
for 5 units of type O+ blood on FT4/8?

I use FT4/8 frequently, but it always seems a bit like cheating 
because there is no good answer to the above question. 
Contesting and DXing started as practice for emergency 
communications, which is the reason many people give for getting 
their licenses. Emergency modes should allow for the above message.

As an example, when operating in Field Day, it is legal (I 
think) to use a cell phone as a link to an Internat based time 
server. Does this make sense for an EmComm based event? One can 
argue about GPS based time sync or high stability clocks, but 
modes that require time sync seem fragile in an emergency 
situation. What happens if a CME has taken out the GPS?

The good news is I made many CW contacts, along with some PSk31, 
RTTY, and voice contacts which don't have these problems.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 7/12/20 at 11:07 AM, n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) wrote:

>Within weeks, he'd mastered everything there was to know about 
>this glorious new hobby.
>Point. Click.
>
>In this new world order, those of us who took the longer, 
>slower path to ionospheric enlightenment -- and who still 
>occasionally enjoy making waves by hand -- often fail to 
>explain why.
>I had failed to explain it to my friend. Even as hints of his 
>boredom crept in, creating an opening, the best argument I'd 
>made for trying CW was that he could do it without a computer. 
>Coming in a weak second was the notion that CW was the original 
>digital mode. For obvious reasons, I didn't bother with the 
>classic argument about CW's signal-to-noise advantage over SSB.
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jul 12 12:29:37 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 12:29:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Af Gain potmeter
In-Reply-To: <C415663D-135A-4C96-B9EA-F4D3090E4487@gmail.com>
References: <C415663D-135A-4C96-B9EA-F4D3090E4487@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c76c0435-87ad-a658-578e-6c29fc305851@embarqmail.com>

Jos,

If you can find another control with the same shaft length and 
footprint, You can use it.

I suspect that you had a defective one - after the AF Gain Wiring was 
changed (and incorporated onto the boards after SN 3000) the number of 
AF Gain potentiometers that became scratchy dropped to almost nothing.

I recommend just getting another from Elecraft.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/12/2020 4:44 AM, Jos Weitenberg wrote:
> I build my K2 in the winter 2018/2019 with serialnumber 7850.
> The transceiver works very well, but the af gain potmeter sound scratchy now.
> My question is, is this normal after such a short time of use ?
> 
> Where can I get a decent potentiometer, because if I replace it with the same one, I think I will have the same problem again in 2 years.
> 

From dave at w8fgu.com  Sun Jul 12 12:48:46 2020
From: dave at w8fgu.com (Dave Van Wallaghen)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 12:48:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Af Gain potmeter
In-Reply-To: <c76c0435-87ad-a658-578e-6c29fc305851@embarqmail.com>
References: <C415663D-135A-4C96-B9EA-F4D3090E4487@gmail.com>
	<c76c0435-87ad-a658-578e-6c29fc305851@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <17343ed6838.2852.96e80410205cf590e45b6250d389e5fb@w8fgu.com>

Hi Jo's,

As Don stated, it is probably a bad pot which are pretty far and few 
between since the AF gain mod years ago. You can simply order another one 
from Elecraft here: https://elecraft.com/pages/parts-mod-kits

The Elecraft part number is E520003. Hope this helps.

73,
Dave, W8FGU
On July 12, 2020 12:30:47 Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Jos,
>
> If you can find another control with the same shaft length and
> footprint, You can use it.
>
> I suspect that you had a defective one - after the AF Gain Wiring was
> changed (and incorporated onto the boards after SN 3000) the number of
> AF Gain potentiometers that became scratchy dropped to almost nothing.
>
> I recommend just getting another from Elecraft.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/12/2020 4:44 AM, Jos Weitenberg wrote:
>> I build my K2 in the winter 2018/2019 with serialnumber 7850.
>> The transceiver works very well, but the af gain potmeter sound scratchy now.
>> My question is, is this normal after such a short time of use ?
>>
>> Where can I get a decent potentiometer, because if I replace it with the 
>> same one, I think I will have the same problem again in 2 years.
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From zk2boy at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 12 13:02:47 2020
From: zk2boy at hotmail.com (zk2boy)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 14:02:47 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 LCD Backlight Diffuser
Message-ID: <BYAPR02MB522126D2DA1C0C1F1DD6003E98630@BYAPR02MB5221.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

I am just getting around to building my K2 that I purchased in 2008. 
I've been busy. But I'm having fun now!

I have? the K2 Owner's Manual Revision G, May 29, 2007. I also have 
Errata sheet Rev. G-1, Dec. 12, 2007.

In the Front Panel section, page 27, the original instruction advises to 
use two spacers at each end when installing the LCD backlight diffuser 
to keep the diffuser exactly 1/8" above the PC board. The Errata sheet 
clarifies to use the spacers but remove them after soldering the 
diffuser into place.

The issue is that the two spacers are 1/8" thick. The diffuser leads are 
exactly 1/8" long. This means with the spacers in place, the diffuser 
leads don't actually reach the solder holes. The lead ends are suspended 
just above the holes. If I actually manage to line everything up and use 
rubber bands to hold all in place while I solder (good luck!), the 
solder would need to bridge up to the ends of the diffuser leads for the 
soldered connections to hold. This doesn't seem like a good practice.

Is there a newer errata sheet? Or am I not understanding this correctly?

Murray
VA1CQ


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jul 12 13:22:14 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 13:22:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 LCD Backlight Diffuser
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR02MB522126D2DA1C0C1F1DD6003E98630@BYAPR02MB5221.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR02MB522126D2DA1C0C1F1DD6003E98630@BYAPR02MB5221.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <61aaac02-edc8-2b0d-15f8-84f43357ffe8@embarqmail.com>

Murray,

Those diffuser leads should just touch the top of the board since 2 
spacers are 1/8 inch and the leads are also 1/8 inch.  Solder them from 
the top of the board - being careful so the iron does not touch anything 
but the leads and the solder pads.

If the leads do not touch the solder pads, sand down a spacer so that it 
does just touch.  If there are rough spots on the spacers, sand them off.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/12/2020 1:02 PM, zk2boy wrote:
> I am just getting around to building my K2 that I purchased in 2008. 
> I've been busy. But I'm having fun now!
> 
> I have? the K2 Owner's Manual Revision G, May 29, 2007. I also have 
> Errata sheet Rev. G-1, Dec. 12, 2007.
> 
> In the Front Panel section, page 27, the original instruction advises to 
> use two spacers at each end when installing the LCD backlight diffuser 
> to keep the diffuser exactly 1/8" above the PC board. The Errata sheet 
> clarifies to use the spacers but remove them after soldering the 
> diffuser into place.
> 
> The issue is that the two spacers are 1/8" thick. The diffuser leads are 
> exactly 1/8" long. This means with the spacers in place, the diffuser 
> leads don't actually reach the solder holes. The lead ends are suspended 
> just above the holes. If I actually manage to line everything up and use 
> rubber bands to hold all in place while I solder (good luck!), the 
> solder would need to bridge up to the ends of the diffuser leads for the 
> soldered connections to hold. This doesn't seem like a good practice.
> 
> Is there a newer errata sheet? Or am I not understanding this correctly?
> 
> Murray
> VA1CQ
> 
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jul 12 13:32:02 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 13:32:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K1 power realignment
In-Reply-To: <1594548030958-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1594548030958-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <64d5ecfa-0905-56ce-6f5b-e7e09d74c678@embarqmail.com>

Al,

You will have to remove the ATU.  Install the jumper in band board J8 
between pins 1 and 8.

If your K1 does not have a "K1/ATU" switch next to the BNC jack, you 
will have to re-install R36 on the bottom of the board - it should have 
been left with one leg still soldered.

The lack of R36 connection is likely what is causing the difference 
between the OUT parameter and the actual power out.

Be certain you connect a dummy load - do not use an antenna.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/12/2020 6:00 AM, W4RAM wrote:
> I want to realign the output of my K1, the radio has an internal antenna
> tuner. The reason is because I check the radio is not coming out with the
> proper power (test performed with dummy load and PWR-SWR meter Daiwa). "OUT"
> is at 2.0W, and I can see, on the power meter, 1W.
> I proceeded by removing the antenna tunner module, to be able to access L1,
> ... L6 (filter board for 40/20 mts band). However after this, when I try to
> calibrate the RF filters, I can only get 0.1 W when I put the K1 in tune
> mode. I check again the "OUT", and I stay 2W.
> If I reinstall the internal antenna tuner, the radio returns to the initial
> behavior (only 1W when "OUT" has been set to 2.0W).
> Can someone guide me on how I should perform the power realignment process?.
> 

From w6ipa at poxika.net  Sun Jul 12 13:38:23 2020
From: w6ipa at poxika.net (W6IPA)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 10:38:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
In-Reply-To: <4A64FD15-0130-4891-8897-33F482A9239F@elecraft.com>
References: <4A64FD15-0130-4891-8897-33F482A9239F@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <E4614BED-0B0C-458C-A35D-A692E756978E@poxika.net>

Wayne,

This is great - however, here is how anyone can help train more CW operators. I am still a beginner in CW, so I?m not yet feeling ?competent". But I?m sure this list has plenty of them. I received this from CWOPS? CW Academy recently:
> For a number of reasons, we are having an enormous number of students signing up for the Sep/Oct 2020 semester. We are anticipating somewhere in the neighborhood of 600 to 700 plus students. As it now stands, we are very short of competent advisors. We currently have around 75 advisors and with our target of approximately five or six students per advisor class, we really could use about 40 to 50 more advisors.
> 
> To that end, we see you are not signed up to take or teach a class this fall. Would you be willing to teach one or more Beginner, Basic, or Intermediate classes in September??
> 
> The curriculum is pretty much laid out and we will be glad to provide an orientation and answer any questions you may have. The commitment is only two nights per week of your choosing for a few hours. Check it out at cwops.org/cw-academy/cw-academy-options/ <https://cwops.org/cw-academy/cw-academy-options/>
> You do not have to be a member of CWops to be an advisor; just a willingness to give back and help fellow CW?ers move forward.
> 
> Your help is appreciated, 
> CWA Management
> 
> 

JC/W6IPA

From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sun Jul 12 13:54:02 2020
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 09:54:02 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power out
Message-ID: <202007121756.06CHuSdX013357@mail46c28.carrierzone.com>

I also have the KX3 with 2m module and ATU.

My understanding is Auto is used to tune the antenna but you then 
switch to MAN to operate after the ATU tunes to your antenna (my 
KXPA100/KXTA100 works the same way).

My original 2m module (kit) did not reach full output so I returned 
the module to Elecraft and they fixed it.  But I still only see 2.5w 
output on my Bird meter with 25C element into Bird load.   My guess 
the Bird is off calibration though 5% of 25 is 1.25w, so it could be 
just the limit of the Bird's accuracy.  I use it to drive a 60w MOT 
amp that only needs 2w drive so all good.  My KX3 only outputs 12w on 
HF but I haven't upgraded firmware so maybe that would increase to 
15w.  No matter as the KXPA100 only requires about 5.5w drive for 
100w out on 80-10m and 8w provides 80w on 6m (which is normal).

I think the ATU is kind of fussy at times and I have to redo the 
tuning to have it work right.  I usually trust the power & SWR meter 
on the KXPA100 for day to day use.

I have two Bird meters (one is permanently in my 2m-eme antenna 
line).  A couple years ago I discovered the calibration limits 
of  Bird elements when using a 250E element to measure my 150w 1296 
amp.  It only read 125w.  But the element is rated for 400-1000 MHz 
and falls off above that (which explains the low reading).

I now have a 600w amp on 1296 and use directional couplers and my 
HP432A mw power meter.  The 250E and 500E are grossly inaccurate at 1296.

BTW Bird dummy loads can be found on e-bay and other ham lists.  They 
are rated to 1000 MHz.

73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sun Jul 12 14:24:03 2020
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 11:24:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
In-Reply-To: <E4614BED-0B0C-458C-A35D-A692E756978E@poxika.net>
References: <4A64FD15-0130-4891-8897-33F482A9239F@elecraft.com>
	<E4614BED-0B0C-458C-A35D-A692E756978E@poxika.net>
Message-ID: <05DAAECC-29DC-4EB3-BF1F-CB925BA22799@elecraft.com>

Hi JC,

Thanks for the note on CWOPS. I hope to sign up for this myself.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Jul 12, 2020, at 10:38 AM, W6IPA <w6ipa at poxika.net> wrote:
> 
> Wayne,
> 
> This is great - however, here is how anyone can help train more CW operators. I am still a beginner in CW, so I?m not yet feeling ?competent". But I?m sure this list has plenty of them. I received this from CWOPS? CW Academy recently:
>> For a number of reasons, we are having an enormous number of students signing up for the Sep/Oct 2020 semester. We are anticipating somewhere in the neighborhood of 600 to 700 plus students. As it now stands, we are very short of competent advisors. We currently have around 75 advisors and with our target of approximately five or six students per advisor class, we really could use about 40 to 50 more advisors.
>> 
>> To that end, we see you are not signed up to take or teach a class this fall. Would you be willing to teach one or more Beginner, Basic, or Intermediate classes in September??
>> 
>> The curriculum is pretty much laid out and we will be glad to provide an orientation and answer any questions you may have. The commitment is only two nights per week of your choosing for a few hours. Check it out at cwops.org/cw-academy/cw-academy-options/
>> 
>> You do not have to be a member of CWops to be an advisor; just a willingness to give back and help fellow CW?ers move forward.
>> 
>> Your help is appreciated, 
>> CWA Management
>> 
>> 
> 
> JC/W6IPA


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sun Jul 12 14:49:51 2020
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 11:49:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
In-Reply-To: <4ac7cd7c-29b7-c740-c2bc-70ef8e68e48d@telus.net>
References: <4A64FD15-0130-4891-8897-33F482A9239F@elecraft.com>
	<4ac7cd7c-29b7-c740-c2bc-70ef8e68e48d@telus.net>
Message-ID: <9E1CC1C1-95F1-4248-917F-072CDC3F3D85@elecraft.com>

Hi John,

Thanks for bringing Carl and Jerry to my attention. I'd never heard of until now (born too late, apparently). Here's a fascinating article about these fictional characters, from Popular Science, circa 1960:

   http://www.copperwood.com/carlandjerry.htm

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Jul 12, 2020, at 8:56 AM, John <ve7day at telus.net> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Wayne.
> 
> Reminded me of Carl and Jerry.
> 
> 73.
> 
> John.
> 
> ve7day.
> 
> 
> On 12/07/2020 8:07 a.m., Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> I have a friend about my age who got into amateur radio only a few years ago. Like many of us, he was enthusiastic about the technology. Intrigued with DX.
>> 
>> I showed him my station; we talked endlessly about gear. Later, I helped him put up a simple wire antenna.
>> 
>> Then, when his license arrived, he dove straight into FT8 and didn't look back. Within days, he'd worked all states, then DXCC. He'd bag a few rare ones over a light lunch, then pat his laptop on the back and congratulate his software app for its near-mythical ability to extract weak signals out of noise.
>> 
>> Within weeks, he'd mastered everything there was to know about this glorious new hobby.
>> 
>> Point. Click.
>> 
>> In this new world order, those of us who took the longer, slower path to ionospheric enlightenment -- and who still occasionally enjoy making waves by hand -- often fail to explain why.
>> 
>> I had failed to explain it to my friend. Even as hints of his boredom crept in, creating an opening, the best argument I'd made for trying CW was that he could do it without a computer. Coming in a weak second was the notion that CW was the original digital mode. For obvious reasons, I didn't bother with the classic argument about CW's signal-to-noise advantage over SSB.
>> 
>> I had all but given up.
>> 
>> Then, in a moment of delayed clarity, I decided on a different approach. I invited him to a weekday brunch. A bit of an escape. He willingly took the bait.
>> 
>> On the appointed day, arriving at his workplace, I bypassed the lobby's glistening elevators and climbed the four flights of stairs to his office. I insisted we take the stairs down, too.
>> 
>> "Why?" he asked. "And how'd you get up here so fast?"
>> 
>> I pointed out that I always chose stairs, when possible. That's why I wasn't out of breath. We hustled down, jockeying for position, and emerged on the ground floor invigorated by the effort.
>> 
>> "So, where are we going?" he asked. We'd been to every overrated twenty-dollar burger venue at least twice.
>> 
>> I replied that we'd be going someplace we'd never tried. My kitchen.
>> 
>> When we arrived, I put him to work chopping onions and broccoli and squeezing oranges while I whipped eggs into a froth and grated Swiss cheese. We ate our omelettes outside, in full sun and a cool breeze.
>> 
>> "What's for desert?" he asked. "Isn't there a frozen yogurt place a two-minute drive from here?"
>> 
>> I had something else in mind. Back in the kitchen, I handed him a water bottle, then strapped on a small pack I'd prepared earlier.
>> 
>> We walked a mile or so through my neighborhood, admiring the houses' varied architecture, ending up (as planned) at a local park festooned with blackberry bushes. The most accessible branches had been picked clean, but with teamwork and persistence we were able to gather several large handfuls of fat, ripe berries, which we devoured on the spot.
>> 
>> We'd been poked and scratched but didn't care.
>> 
>> "Doesn't brunch usually end with champagne?" he wondered aloud, admiring his wounds.
>> 
>> Not this time. I pulled out two bottles of craft beer that I'd obtained from a neighbor in trade for repairing his ancient home stereo. Carlos had spent years crafting an American pilsner to die for, sweating every detail, including iconic, hand-painted labels.
>> 
>> My friend accepted the bottle, then tried in vain to remove the cap. Not a twist-off.
>> 
>> "Opener?" he said.
>> 
>> I handed him a small pocket knife, an antique without specialty blades. He soon discovered it could not be used to remove the cap directly. He looked at me with a bemused expression, no doubt wondering what I had up my sleeve this time.
>> 
>> I pointed out that we were surrounded by white oaks, a species known for its hard wood. He got the message, smiled, and began hunting. Within seconds he'd collected a small fallen branch. I watched as he used the knife to fashion a few inches of it into a passable bottle opener. We popped the caps, toasted his new-found skill, and traded stories of our misspent youths.
>> 
>> "Oh, one more thing," I said.
>> 
>> I pulled a KX2 out of my pack, along with two lengths of wire. Of course he knew everything there was to know about Elecraft, and me, so he wasn't surprised when I also pulled out the rig's attachable keyer paddle. We threw one wire in the closest tree and laid the other on the ground.
>> 
>> He didn't have to ask whether I'd brought a laptop.
>> 
>> We listened to CW signals up and down 20 meters, which was open to Europe at the time. As he tuned in each station, I copied for him using pencil and paper. He'd learned Morse code, but only at very slow speeds.
>> 
>> After making a contact, I set the internal keyer speed to 10 words per minute and dialed power output to zero, for practice purposes, then showed him how to use the paddle. He smiled as he got the hang of it. Sending the full alphabet was a challenge, but he got there. The KX2 decoded and displayed his keying, providing confirmation.
>> 
>> We'd blown through his allotted lunch break by a factor of three, so it was time to go. We coiled up the antenna wires, packed up, and walked back. As I drove him back to his employer, we made plans to get together again for a weekend hike.
>> 
>> I could have just dropped him off, but we went back into the lobby together. Out of habit, he stopped in front of the elevator. Then he looked up.
>> 
>> "OK," he said. "I get it. This CW thing. It's slow, it's hard to do well, and it takes years of practice."
>> 
>> "Like hunting for your own food, or carving your own tools," I added.
>> 
>> "Or cooking from scratch. Or brewing your own beer. Building your own radio. And you use more of your senses. Not just your eyes, but your ears. Your sense of touch."
>> 
>> I nodded. Listening. Feeling. That was the radio I'd grown up with.
>> 
>> "Of course it's harder to work DX with CW than with FT8," I reminded him, playing devil's advocate.
>> 
>> "Is that what matters, though?" he asked.
>> 
>> A longer discussion for another day.
>> 
>> "Your call," I said.
>> 
>> He gripped my shoulder and smiled, then reached toward the elevator's glowing, ivory colored button, framed by polished brass.
>> 
>> The path most taken.
>> 
>> Point. Click.
>> 
>> "On second thought," he said, "I'll take the stairs."
>> 
>> * * *
>> 
>> Wayne,
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From ny9h at arrl.net  Sun Jul 12 15:01:53 2020
From: ny9h at arrl.net (Bill Steffey NY9H)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 15:01:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
In-Reply-To: <9E1CC1C1-95F1-4248-917F-072CDC3F3D85@elecraft.com>
References: <4A64FD15-0130-4891-8897-33F482A9239F@elecraft.com>
	<4ac7cd7c-29b7-c740-c2bc-70ef8e68e48d@telus.net>
	<9E1CC1C1-95F1-4248-917F-072CDC3F3D85@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <76f118b8-36f8-8985-53e4-db15995172f9@arrl.net>

wow? ...? he is so young !!!?? I am so old,,,

I was just browsing thru several months of 1955 Pop electronics and 
reading the Carl & Jerry stories.

Here are ALL the PE magazines starting in 1954,,,,

https://worldradiohistory.com/Popular-Electronics-Guide.htm

Of course they save the world, with elecrtonics.....


bill


On 7/12/2020 2:49 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> Thanks for bringing Carl and Jerry to my attention. I'd never heard of until now (born too late, apparently). Here's a fascinating article about these fictional characters, from Popular Science, circa 1960:
>
>     http://www.copperwood.com/carlandjerry.htm
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>> On Jul 12, 2020, at 8:56 AM, John <ve7day at telus.net> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Wayne.
>>
>> Reminded me of Carl and Jerry.
>>
>> 73.
>>
>> John.
>>
>> ve7day.
>>
>>
>> On 12/07/2020 8:07 a.m., Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>> I have a friend about my age who got into amateur radio only a few years ago. Like many of us, he was enthusiastic about the technology. Intrigued with DX.
>>>
>>> I showed him my station; we talked endlessly about gear. Later, I helped him put up a simple wire antenna.
>>>
>>> Then, when his license arrived, he dove straight into FT8 and didn't look back. Within days, he'd worked all states, then DXCC. He'd bag a few rare ones over a light lunch, then pat his laptop on the back and congratulate his software app for its near-mythical ability to extract weak signals out of noise.
>>>
>>> Within weeks, he'd mastered everything there was to know about this glorious new hobby.
>>>
>>> Point. Click.
>>>
>>> In this new world order, those of us who took the longer, slower path to ionospheric enlightenment -- and who still occasionally enjoy making waves by hand -- often fail to explain why.
>>>
>>> I had failed to explain it to my friend. Even as hints of his boredom crept in, creating an opening, the best argument I'd made for trying CW was that he could do it without a computer. Coming in a weak second was the notion that CW was the original digital mode. For obvious reasons, I didn't bother with the classic argument about CW's signal-to-noise advantage over SSB.
>>>
>>> I had all but given up.
>>>
>>> Then, in a moment of delayed clarity, I decided on a different approach. I invited him to a weekday brunch. A bit of an escape. He willingly took the bait.
>>>
>>> On the appointed day, arriving at his workplace, I bypassed the lobby's glistening elevators and climbed the four flights of stairs to his office. I insisted we take the stairs down, too.
>>>
>>> "Why?" he asked. "And how'd you get up here so fast?"
>>>
>>> I pointed out that I always chose stairs, when possible. That's why I wasn't out of breath. We hustled down, jockeying for position, and emerged on the ground floor invigorated by the effort.
>>>
>>> "So, where are we going?" he asked. We'd been to every overrated twenty-dollar burger venue at least twice.
>>>
>>> I replied that we'd be going someplace we'd never tried. My kitchen.
>>>
>>> When we arrived, I put him to work chopping onions and broccoli and squeezing oranges while I whipped eggs into a froth and grated Swiss cheese. We ate our omelettes outside, in full sun and a cool breeze.
>>>
>>> "What's for desert?" he asked. "Isn't there a frozen yogurt place a two-minute drive from here?"
>>>
>>> I had something else in mind. Back in the kitchen, I handed him a water bottle, then strapped on a small pack I'd prepared earlier.
>>>
>>> We walked a mile or so through my neighborhood, admiring the houses' varied architecture, ending up (as planned) at a local park festooned with blackberry bushes. The most accessible branches had been picked clean, but with teamwork and persistence we were able to gather several large handfuls of fat, ripe berries, which we devoured on the spot.
>>>
>>> We'd been poked and scratched but didn't care.
>>>
>>> "Doesn't brunch usually end with champagne?" he wondered aloud, admiring his wounds.
>>>
>>> Not this time. I pulled out two bottles of craft beer that I'd obtained from a neighbor in trade for repairing his ancient home stereo. Carlos had spent years crafting an American pilsner to die for, sweating every detail, including iconic, hand-painted labels.
>>>
>>> My friend accepted the bottle, then tried in vain to remove the cap. Not a twist-off.
>>>
>>> "Opener?" he said.
>>>
>>> I handed him a small pocket knife, an antique without specialty blades. He soon discovered it could not be used to remove the cap directly. He looked at me with a bemused expression, no doubt wondering what I had up my sleeve this time.
>>>
>>> I pointed out that we were surrounded by white oaks, a species known for its hard wood. He got the message, smiled, and began hunting. Within seconds he'd collected a small fallen branch. I watched as he used the knife to fashion a few inches of it into a passable bottle opener. We popped the caps, toasted his new-found skill, and traded stories of our misspent youths.
>>>
>>> "Oh, one more thing," I said.
>>>
>>> I pulled a KX2 out of my pack, along with two lengths of wire. Of course he knew everything there was to know about Elecraft, and me, so he wasn't surprised when I also pulled out the rig's attachable keyer paddle. We threw one wire in the closest tree and laid the other on the ground.
>>>
>>> He didn't have to ask whether I'd brought a laptop.
>>>
>>> We listened to CW signals up and down 20 meters, which was open to Europe at the time. As he tuned in each station, I copied for him using pencil and paper. He'd learned Morse code, but only at very slow speeds.
>>>
>>> After making a contact, I set the internal keyer speed to 10 words per minute and dialed power output to zero, for practice purposes, then showed him how to use the paddle. He smiled as he got the hang of it. Sending the full alphabet was a challenge, but he got there. The KX2 decoded and displayed his keying, providing confirmation.
>>>
>>> We'd blown through his allotted lunch break by a factor of three, so it was time to go. We coiled up the antenna wires, packed up, and walked back. As I drove him back to his employer, we made plans to get together again for a weekend hike.
>>>
>>> I could have just dropped him off, but we went back into the lobby together. Out of habit, he stopped in front of the elevator. Then he looked up.
>>>
>>> "OK," he said. "I get it. This CW thing. It's slow, it's hard to do well, and it takes years of practice."
>>>
>>> "Like hunting for your own food, or carving your own tools," I added.
>>>
>>> "Or cooking from scratch. Or brewing your own beer. Building your own radio. And you use more of your senses. Not just your eyes, but your ears. Your sense of touch."
>>>
>>> I nodded. Listening. Feeling. That was the radio I'd grown up with.
>>>
>>> "Of course it's harder to work DX with CW than with FT8," I reminded him, playing devil's advocate.
>>>
>>> "Is that what matters, though?" he asked.
>>>
>>> A longer discussion for another day.
>>>
>>> "Your call," I said.
>>>
>>> He gripped my shoulder and smiled, then reached toward the elevator's glowing, ivory colored button, framed by polished brass.
>>>
>>> The path most taken.
>>>
>>> Point. Click.
>>>
>>> "On second thought," he said, "I'll take the stairs."
>>>
>>> * * *
>>>
>>> Wayne,
>>> N6KR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From pvandyke1953 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 12 15:02:35 2020
From: pvandyke1953 at gmail.com (Paul Van Dyke)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 15:02:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Remember all the Elecraft Nets
Message-ID: <CAEPKcUn8hfdr=cF7Lto6OViJwb7Sg7ktK5JwaJ72dXHpVvJoTg@mail.gmail.com>

We have various ones ... stretch and meet others.
       Propagation means it all changes..
           Put a copy up in your shack
                   Paul - KB9AVO


       The Elecraft Nets
----------------------------------
   20 Meter SSB Elecraft Net
   Sunday  14.3035 +/- kHz at 1800Z

   40 Meter SSB Elecraft Net
   Sunday  7.280 kHz at 18:45z

   20 Meter CW Elecraft Net
   Sunday 14.050.5 kHz at 2200z:

   40 Meter CW Elecraft Net
   Sunday 7.047.5 kHz at 0000z:

   80 Meter SSB Elecraft Net
   Sunday Night  3.940+/- at 01:00z

Hope to "hear" you
    Paul   KB9AVO

From kthreebo at gmail.com  Sun Jul 12 15:12:02 2020
From: kthreebo at gmail.com (barry halterman)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 15:12:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 LCD Backlight Diffuser
In-Reply-To: <61aaac02-edc8-2b0d-15f8-84f43357ffe8@embarqmail.com>
References: <BYAPR02MB522126D2DA1C0C1F1DD6003E98630@BYAPR02MB5221.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<61aaac02-edc8-2b0d-15f8-84f43357ffe8@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACW=-xEKxO4nMPn7sH3Kfn-nsVMfrtKkGOY1=WRoafEn1AyS-w@mail.gmail.com>

I too am building a K2, sn 7954. They are using a LED bar for the back
light with a spacer instead of the cut off pcb material. The diffuser ends
have cutouts that sit on the LED bars. Wonder where Elecraft found these
gems....
Barry

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 1:23 PM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Murray,
>
> Those diffuser leads should just touch the top of the board since 2
> spacers are 1/8 inch and the leads are also 1/8 inch.  Solder them from
> the top of the board - being careful so the iron does not touch anything
> but the leads and the solder pads.
>
> If the leads do not touch the solder pads, sand down a spacer so that it
> does just touch.  If there are rough spots on the spacers, sand them off.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/12/2020 1:02 PM, zk2boy wrote:
> > I am just getting around to building my K2 that I purchased in 2008.
> > I've been busy. But I'm having fun now!
> >
> > I have  the K2 Owner's Manual Revision G, May 29, 2007. I also have
> > Errata sheet Rev. G-1, Dec. 12, 2007.
> >
> > In the Front Panel section, page 27, the original instruction advises to
> > use two spacers at each end when installing the LCD backlight diffuser
> > to keep the diffuser exactly 1/8" above the PC board. The Errata sheet
> > clarifies to use the spacers but remove them after soldering the
> > diffuser into place.
> >
> > The issue is that the two spacers are 1/8" thick. The diffuser leads are
> > exactly 1/8" long. This means with the spacers in place, the diffuser
> > leads don't actually reach the solder holes. The lead ends are suspended
> > just above the holes. If I actually manage to line everything up and use
> > rubber bands to hold all in place while I solder (good luck!), the
> > solder would need to bridge up to the ends of the diffuser leads for the
> > soldered connections to hold. This doesn't seem like a good practice.
> >
> > Is there a newer errata sheet? Or am I not understanding this correctly?
> >
> > Murray
> > VA1CQ
> >
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jul 12 15:27:03 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 15:27:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 LCD Backlight Diffuser
In-Reply-To: <CACW=-xEKxO4nMPn7sH3Kfn-nsVMfrtKkGOY1=WRoafEn1AyS-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BYAPR02MB522126D2DA1C0C1F1DD6003E98630@BYAPR02MB5221.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<61aaac02-edc8-2b0d-15f8-84f43357ffe8@embarqmail.com>
	<CACW=-xEKxO4nMPn7sH3Kfn-nsVMfrtKkGOY1=WRoafEn1AyS-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43e56987-63f0-aa61-7755-c0aef5ffce6c@embarqmail.com>

Barry,

The new backlight assembly was Wayne's creation which became necessary 
when the one piece backlight became unavailable.? Murray has one of the 
older assemblies.
Follow the instructions that shipped with your K2.? Be certain to read 
and heed the errata pages.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/12/2020 3:12 PM, barry halterman wrote:
> I too am building a K2, sn 7954. They are using a LED bar for the back 
> light with a spacer instead of the cut off pcb material. The diffuser 
> ends have cutouts that sit on the LED bars. Wonder where Elecraft 
> found these gems....
> Barry
>


From k9yeq at live.com  Sun Jul 12 15:49:35 2020
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 19:49:35 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
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Wayne,

As I constantly tell myself, never to late or too old to learn.  Your stories tells a lot.  I am encouraged to use CW more.... 

72 & 73,
Bill
K9YEQ
FT'er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc. 

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From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 1:50 PM
To: John <ve7day at telus.net>
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."

Hi John,

Thanks for bringing Carl and Jerry to my attention. I'd never heard of until now (born too late, apparently). Here's a fascinating article about these fictional characters, from Popular Science, circa 1960:

   http://www.copperwood.com/carlandjerry.htm

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Jul 12, 2020, at 8:56 AM, John <ve7day at telus.net> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Wayne.
> 
> Reminded me of Carl and Jerry.
> 
> 73.
> 
> John.
> 
> ve7day.
> 
> 
> On 12/07/2020 8:07 a.m., Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> I have a friend about my age who got into amateur radio only a few years ago. Like many of us, he was enthusiastic about the technology. Intrigued with DX.
>> 
>> I showed him my station; we talked endlessly about gear. Later, I helped him put up a simple wire antenna.
>> 
>> Then, when his license arrived, he dove straight into FT8 and didn't look back. Within days, he'd worked all states, then DXCC. He'd bag a few rare ones over a light lunch, then pat his laptop on the back and congratulate his software app for its near-mythical ability to extract weak signals out of noise.
>> 
>> Within weeks, he'd mastered everything there was to know about this glorious new hobby.
>> 
>> Point. Click.
>> 
>> In this new world order, those of us who took the longer, slower path to ionospheric enlightenment -- and who still occasionally enjoy making waves by hand -- often fail to explain why.
>> 
>> I had failed to explain it to my friend. Even as hints of his boredom crept in, creating an opening, the best argument I'd made for trying CW was that he could do it without a computer. Coming in a weak second was the notion that CW was the original digital mode. For obvious reasons, I didn't bother with the classic argument about CW's signal-to-noise advantage over SSB.
>> 
>> I had all but given up.
>> 
>> Then, in a moment of delayed clarity, I decided on a different approach. I invited him to a weekday brunch. A bit of an escape. He willingly took the bait.
>> 
>> On the appointed day, arriving at his workplace, I bypassed the lobby's glistening elevators and climbed the four flights of stairs to his office. I insisted we take the stairs down, too.
>> 
>> "Why?" he asked. "And how'd you get up here so fast?"
>> 
>> I pointed out that I always chose stairs, when possible. That's why I wasn't out of breath. We hustled down, jockeying for position, and emerged on the ground floor invigorated by the effort.
>> 
>> "So, where are we going?" he asked. We'd been to every overrated twenty-dollar burger venue at least twice.
>> 
>> I replied that we'd be going someplace we'd never tried. My kitchen.
>> 
>> When we arrived, I put him to work chopping onions and broccoli and squeezing oranges while I whipped eggs into a froth and grated Swiss cheese. We ate our omelettes outside, in full sun and a cool breeze.
>> 
>> "What's for desert?" he asked. "Isn't there a frozen yogurt place a two-minute drive from here?"
>> 
>> I had something else in mind. Back in the kitchen, I handed him a water bottle, then strapped on a small pack I'd prepared earlier.
>> 
>> We walked a mile or so through my neighborhood, admiring the houses' varied architecture, ending up (as planned) at a local park festooned with blackberry bushes. The most accessible branches had been picked clean, but with teamwork and persistence we were able to gather several large handfuls of fat, ripe berries, which we devoured on the spot.
>> 
>> We'd been poked and scratched but didn't care.
>> 
>> "Doesn't brunch usually end with champagne?" he wondered aloud, admiring his wounds.
>> 
>> Not this time. I pulled out two bottles of craft beer that I'd obtained from a neighbor in trade for repairing his ancient home stereo. Carlos had spent years crafting an American pilsner to die for, sweating every detail, including iconic, hand-painted labels.
>> 
>> My friend accepted the bottle, then tried in vain to remove the cap. Not a twist-off.
>> 
>> "Opener?" he said.
>> 
>> I handed him a small pocket knife, an antique without specialty blades. He soon discovered it could not be used to remove the cap directly. He looked at me with a bemused expression, no doubt wondering what I had up my sleeve this time.
>> 
>> I pointed out that we were surrounded by white oaks, a species known for its hard wood. He got the message, smiled, and began hunting. Within seconds he'd collected a small fallen branch. I watched as he used the knife to fashion a few inches of it into a passable bottle opener. We popped the caps, toasted his new-found skill, and traded stories of our misspent youths.
>> 
>> "Oh, one more thing," I said.
>> 
>> I pulled a KX2 out of my pack, along with two lengths of wire. Of course he knew everything there was to know about Elecraft, and me, so he wasn't surprised when I also pulled out the rig's attachable keyer paddle. We threw one wire in the closest tree and laid the other on the ground.
>> 
>> He didn't have to ask whether I'd brought a laptop.
>> 
>> We listened to CW signals up and down 20 meters, which was open to Europe at the time. As he tuned in each station, I copied for him using pencil and paper. He'd learned Morse code, but only at very slow speeds.
>> 
>> After making a contact, I set the internal keyer speed to 10 words per minute and dialed power output to zero, for practice purposes, then showed him how to use the paddle. He smiled as he got the hang of it. Sending the full alphabet was a challenge, but he got there. The KX2 decoded and displayed his keying, providing confirmation.
>> 
>> We'd blown through his allotted lunch break by a factor of three, so it was time to go. We coiled up the antenna wires, packed up, and walked back. As I drove him back to his employer, we made plans to get together again for a weekend hike.
>> 
>> I could have just dropped him off, but we went back into the lobby together. Out of habit, he stopped in front of the elevator. Then he looked up.
>> 
>> "OK," he said. "I get it. This CW thing. It's slow, it's hard to do well, and it takes years of practice."
>> 
>> "Like hunting for your own food, or carving your own tools," I added.
>> 
>> "Or cooking from scratch. Or brewing your own beer. Building your own radio. And you use more of your senses. Not just your eyes, but your ears. Your sense of touch."
>> 
>> I nodded. Listening. Feeling. That was the radio I'd grown up with.
>> 
>> "Of course it's harder to work DX with CW than with FT8," I reminded him, playing devil's advocate.
>> 
>> "Is that what matters, though?" he asked.
>> 
>> A longer discussion for another day.
>> 
>> "Your call," I said.
>> 
>> He gripped my shoulder and smiled, then reached toward the elevator's glowing, ivory colored button, framed by polished brass.
>> 
>> The path most taken.
>> 
>> Point. Click.
>> 
>> "On second thought," he said, "I'll take the stairs."
>> 
>> * * *
>> 
>> Wayne,
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From steve at stevebelunek.com  Sun Jul 12 15:10:48 2020
From: steve at stevebelunek.com (Steve Belunek)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 12:10:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
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Hi Wayne,

As a new ham, having just joined this list and excitedly awaiting my first HF rig (a KX3), I really appreciate this perspective. 

I had considered whether to pursue getting into HF and DX, and what radio in general could offer over more "instant-gratification" forms of communication like SMS. What I kept coming back to is the excitement of learning and figuring new things out, the challenge of making contact, and the human element.

I feel like quick and easy texting has made conversation disposable, I remember when email was a once-a-day transmission via modem? or you had to write an actual letter to reach someone? the content of the transmission was far more considered, precisely because it took time and effort? and I think that effort made the message even more appreciated by the recipient.

When I was younger, my physics teacher gave me a shortwave radio? I must have spent hours tuning that dial listening to voice transmissions and strange beeps and boops. Then I got busy with a career working in computers. I am definitely a tinkerer and gadget geek.

Fast forward to today, I?ve re-discovered radio, got my license and my VHF/UHF HT? and I?m still intrigued by those far away signals? who?s out there sending them, and where are they coming from? 

73,
Steve 
KM6ZNZ


> On Jul 12, 2020, at 8:07 AM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a friend about my age who got into amateur radio only a few years ago. Like many of us, he was enthusiastic about the technology. Intrigued with DX. 
> 
> I showed him my station; we talked endlessly about gear. Later, I helped him put up a simple wire antenna.
> 
> Then, when his license arrived, he dove straight into FT8 and didn't look back. Within days, he'd worked all states, then DXCC. He'd bag a few rare ones over a light lunch, then pat his laptop on the back and congratulate his software app for its near-mythical ability to extract weak signals out of noise. 
> 
> Within weeks, he'd mastered everything there was to know about this glorious new hobby. 
> 
> Point. Click.
> 
> In this new world order, those of us who took the longer, slower path to ionospheric enlightenment -- and who still occasionally enjoy making waves by hand -- often fail to explain why. 
> 
> I had failed to explain it to my friend. Even as hints of his boredom crept in, creating an opening, the best argument I'd made for trying CW was that he could do it without a computer. Coming in a weak second was the notion that CW was the original digital mode. For obvious reasons, I didn't bother with the classic argument about CW's signal-to-noise advantage over SSB. 
> 
> I had all but given up. 
> 
> Then, in a moment of delayed clarity, I decided on a different approach. I invited him to a weekday brunch. A bit of an escape. He willingly took the bait.
> 
> On the appointed day, arriving at his workplace, I bypassed the lobby's glistening elevators and climbed the four flights of stairs to his office. I insisted we take the stairs down, too. 
> 
> "Why?" he asked. "And how'd you get up here so fast?" 
> 
> I pointed out that I always chose stairs, when possible. That's why I wasn't out of breath. We hustled down, jockeying for position, and emerged on the ground floor invigorated by the effort.
> 
> "So, where are we going?" he asked. We'd been to every overrated twenty-dollar burger venue at least twice.
> 
> I replied that we'd be going someplace we'd never tried. My kitchen. 
> 
> When we arrived, I put him to work chopping onions and broccoli and squeezing oranges while I whipped eggs into a froth and grated Swiss cheese. We ate our omelettes outside, in full sun and a cool breeze. 
> 
> "What's for desert?" he asked. "Isn't there a frozen yogurt place a two-minute drive from here?"
> 
> I had something else in mind. Back in the kitchen, I handed him a water bottle, then strapped on a small pack I'd prepared earlier. 
> 
> We walked a mile or so through my neighborhood, admiring the houses' varied architecture, ending up (as planned) at a local park festooned with blackberry bushes. The most accessible branches had been picked clean, but with teamwork and persistence we were able to gather several large handfuls of fat, ripe berries, which we devoured on the spot. 
> 
> We'd been poked and scratched but didn't care. 
> 
> "Doesn't brunch usually end with champagne?" he wondered aloud, admiring his wounds.
> 
> Not this time. I pulled out two bottles of craft beer that I'd obtained from a neighbor in trade for repairing his ancient home stereo. Carlos had spent years crafting an American pilsner to die for, sweating every detail, including iconic, hand-painted labels. 
> 
> My friend accepted the bottle, then tried in vain to remove the cap. Not a twist-off.
> 
> "Opener?" he said. 
> 
> I handed him a small pocket knife, an antique without specialty blades. He soon discovered it could not be used to remove the cap directly. He looked at me with a bemused expression, no doubt wondering what I had up my sleeve this time. 
> 
> I pointed out that we were surrounded by white oaks, a species known for its hard wood. He got the message, smiled, and began hunting. Within seconds he'd collected a small fallen branch. I watched as he used the knife to fashion a few inches of it into a passable bottle opener. We popped the caps, toasted his new-found skill, and traded stories of our misspent youths.
> 
> "Oh, one more thing," I said.
> 
> I pulled a KX2 out of my pack, along with two lengths of wire. Of course he knew everything there was to know about Elecraft, and me, so he wasn't surprised when I also pulled out the rig's attachable keyer paddle. We threw one wire in the closest tree and laid the other on the ground.
> 
> He didn't have to ask whether I'd brought a laptop.
> 
> We listened to CW signals up and down 20 meters, which was open to Europe at the time. As he tuned in each station, I copied for him using pencil and paper. He'd learned Morse code, but only at very slow speeds. 
> 
> After making a contact, I set the internal keyer speed to 10 words per minute and dialed power output to zero, for practice purposes, then showed him how to use the paddle. He smiled as he got the hang of it. Sending the full alphabet was a challenge, but he got there. The KX2 decoded and displayed his keying, providing confirmation. 
> 
> We'd blown through his allotted lunch break by a factor of three, so it was time to go. We coiled up the antenna wires, packed up, and walked back. As I drove him back to his employer, we made plans to get together again for a weekend hike.
> 
> I could have just dropped him off, but we went back into the lobby together. Out of habit, he stopped in front of the elevator. Then he looked up.
> 
> "OK," he said. "I get it. This CW thing. It's slow, it's hard to do well, and it takes years of practice."
> 
> "Like hunting for your own food, or carving your own tools," I added.
> 
> "Or cooking from scratch. Or brewing your own beer. Building your own radio. And you use more of your senses. Not just your eyes, but your ears. Your sense of touch."
> 
> I nodded. Listening. Feeling. That was the radio I'd grown up with.
> 
> "Of course it's harder to work DX with CW than with FT8," I reminded him, playing devil's advocate.
> 
> "Is that what matters, though?" he asked. 
> 
> A longer discussion for another day.
> 
> "Your call," I said.
> 
> He gripped my shoulder and smiled, then reached toward the elevator's glowing, ivory colored button, framed by polished brass. 
> 
> The path most taken. 
> 
> Point. Click.
> 
> "On second thought," he said, "I'll take the stairs."
> 
> * * *
> 
> Wayne,
> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From weaverwf at usermail.com  Sun Jul 12 16:18:08 2020
From: weaverwf at usermail.com (weaverwf at usermail.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 16:18:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
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Hi Steve,
Welcome to the ham community. If you are interested in CW operation I encourage you to look at the CW Academy sponsored CWOps at CWops.org. There is a program to carry you from beginner to 25 WPM with proper instruction along the way. That KX3 is a great radio for CW or any other mode you wish to pursue.

73,
Bill WE5P

Comfortably Numb

> On Jul 12, 2020, at 16:11, Steve Belunek <steve at stevebelunek.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Wayne,
> 
> As a new ham, having just joined this list and excitedly awaiting my first HF rig (a KX3), I really appreciate this perspective. 
> 
> I had considered whether to pursue getting into HF and DX, and what radio in general could offer over more "instant-gratification" forms of communication like SMS. What I kept coming back to is the excitement of learning and figuring new things out, the challenge of making contact, and the human element.
> 
> I feel like quick and easy texting has made conversation disposable, I remember when email was a once-a-day transmission via modem? or you had to write an actual letter to reach someone? the content of the transmission was far more considered, precisely because it took time and effort? and I think that effort made the message even more appreciated by the recipient.
> 
> When I was younger, my physics teacher gave me a shortwave radio? I must have spent hours tuning that dial listening to voice transmissions and strange beeps and boops. Then I got busy with a career working in computers. I am definitely a tinkerer and gadget geek.
> 
> Fast forward to today, I?ve re-discovered radio, got my license and my VHF/UHF HT? and I?m still intrigued by those far away signals? who?s out there sending them, and where are they coming from? 
> 
> 73,
> Steve 
> KM6ZNZ
> 
> 
>> On Jul 12, 2020, at 8:07 AM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I have a friend about my age who got into amateur radio only a few years ago. Like many of us, he was enthusiastic about the technology. Intrigued with DX. 
>> 
>> I showed him my station; we talked endlessly about gear. Later, I helped him put up a simple wire antenna.
>> 
>> Then, when his license arrived, he dove straight into FT8 and didn't look back. Within days, he'd worked all states, then DXCC. He'd bag a few rare ones over a light lunch, then pat his laptop on the back and congratulate his software app for its near-mythical ability to extract weak signals out of noise. 
>> 
>> Within weeks, he'd mastered everything there was to know about this glorious new hobby. 
>> 
>> Point. Click.
>> 
>> In this new world order, those of us who took the longer, slower path to ionospheric enlightenment -- and who still occasionally enjoy making waves by hand -- often fail to explain why. 
>> 
>> I had failed to explain it to my friend. Even as hints of his boredom crept in, creating an opening, the best argument I'd made for trying CW was that he could do it without a computer. Coming in a weak second was the notion that CW was the original digital mode. For obvious reasons, I didn't bother with the classic argument about CW's signal-to-noise advantage over SSB. 
>> 
>> I had all but given up. 
>> 
>> Then, in a moment of delayed clarity, I decided on a different approach. I invited him to a weekday brunch. A bit of an escape. He willingly took the bait.
>> 
>> On the appointed day, arriving at his workplace, I bypassed the lobby's glistening elevators and climbed the four flights of stairs to his office. I insisted we take the stairs down, too. 
>> 
>> "Why?" he asked. "And how'd you get up here so fast?" 
>> 
>> I pointed out that I always chose stairs, when possible. That's why I wasn't out of breath. We hustled down, jockeying for position, and emerged on the ground floor invigorated by the effort.
>> 
>> "So, where are we going?" he asked. We'd been to every overrated twenty-dollar burger venue at least twice.
>> 
>> I replied that we'd be going someplace we'd never tried. My kitchen. 
>> 
>> When we arrived, I put him to work chopping onions and broccoli and squeezing oranges while I whipped eggs into a froth and grated Swiss cheese. We ate our omelettes outside, in full sun and a cool breeze. 
>> 
>> "What's for desert?" he asked. "Isn't there a frozen yogurt place a two-minute drive from here?"
>> 
>> I had something else in mind. Back in the kitchen, I handed him a water bottle, then strapped on a small pack I'd prepared earlier. 
>> 
>> We walked a mile or so through my neighborhood, admiring the houses' varied architecture, ending up (as planned) at a local park festooned with blackberry bushes. The most accessible branches had been picked clean, but with teamwork and persistence we were able to gather several large handfuls of fat, ripe berries, which we devoured on the spot. 
>> 
>> We'd been poked and scratched but didn't care. 
>> 
>> "Doesn't brunch usually end with champagne?" he wondered aloud, admiring his wounds.
>> 
>> Not this time. I pulled out two bottles of craft beer that I'd obtained from a neighbor in trade for repairing his ancient home stereo. Carlos had spent years crafting an American pilsner to die for, sweating every detail, including iconic, hand-painted labels. 
>> 
>> My friend accepted the bottle, then tried in vain to remove the cap. Not a twist-off.
>> 
>> "Opener?" he said. 
>> 
>> I handed him a small pocket knife, an antique without specialty blades. He soon discovered it could not be used to remove the cap directly. He looked at me with a bemused expression, no doubt wondering what I had up my sleeve this time. 
>> 
>> I pointed out that we were surrounded by white oaks, a species known for its hard wood. He got the message, smiled, and began hunting. Within seconds he'd collected a small fallen branch. I watched as he used the knife to fashion a few inches of it into a passable bottle opener. We popped the caps, toasted his new-found skill, and traded stories of our misspent youths.
>> 
>> "Oh, one more thing," I said.
>> 
>> I pulled a KX2 out of my pack, along with two lengths of wire. Of course he knew everything there was to know about Elecraft, and me, so he wasn't surprised when I also pulled out the rig's attachable keyer paddle. We threw one wire in the closest tree and laid the other on the ground.
>> 
>> He didn't have to ask whether I'd brought a laptop.
>> 
>> We listened to CW signals up and down 20 meters, which was open to Europe at the time. As he tuned in each station, I copied for him using pencil and paper. He'd learned Morse code, but only at very slow speeds. 
>> 
>> After making a contact, I set the internal keyer speed to 10 words per minute and dialed power output to zero, for practice purposes, then showed him how to use the paddle. He smiled as he got the hang of it. Sending the full alphabet was a challenge, but he got there. The KX2 decoded and displayed his keying, providing confirmation. 
>> 
>> We'd blown through his allotted lunch break by a factor of three, so it was time to go. We coiled up the antenna wires, packed up, and walked back. As I drove him back to his employer, we made plans to get together again for a weekend hike.
>> 
>> I could have just dropped him off, but we went back into the lobby together. Out of habit, he stopped in front of the elevator. Then he looked up.
>> 
>> "OK," he said. "I get it. This CW thing. It's slow, it's hard to do well, and it takes years of practice."
>> 
>> "Like hunting for your own food, or carving your own tools," I added.
>> 
>> "Or cooking from scratch. Or brewing your own beer. Building your own radio. And you use more of your senses. Not just your eyes, but your ears. Your sense of touch."
>> 
>> I nodded. Listening. Feeling. That was the radio I'd grown up with.
>> 
>> "Of course it's harder to work DX with CW than with FT8," I reminded him, playing devil's advocate.
>> 
>> "Is that what matters, though?" he asked. 
>> 
>> A longer discussion for another day.
>> 
>> "Your call," I said.
>> 
>> He gripped my shoulder and smiled, then reached toward the elevator's glowing, ivory colored button, framed by polished brass. 
>> 
>> The path most taken. 
>> 
>> Point. Click.
>> 
>> "On second thought," he said, "I'll take the stairs."
>> 
>> * * *
>> 
>> Wayne,
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From ewinginator at gmail.com  Sun Jul 12 16:49:53 2020
From: ewinginator at gmail.com (Jim Ewing)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 16:49:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Wayne's Story - "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs
Message-ID: <CA+6T3FuwMAFgyfs-q_enHh70krtwbFvMShh0E9+Kj_SetdzKRg@mail.gmail.com>

Relevant to what Wayne said is this quote from Pirsig:

*?That's all the motorcycle is, a system of concepts worked out in steel.
There's no part in it, no shape in it, that is not out of someone's mind
[...] I've noticed that people who have never worked with steel have
trouble seeing this?that the motorcycle is primarily a mental phenomenon.*
They associate metal with given shapes?pipes, rods, girders, tools,
parts?all of them fixed and inviolable., and think of it as primarily
physical. But a person who does machining or foundry work or forger work or
welding sees "steel" as having no shape at all. Steel can be any shape you
want if you are skilled enough, and any shape but the one you want if you
are not. Shapes, like this tappet, are what you arrive at, what you give to
the steel. Steel has no more shape than this old pile of dirt on the engine
here. *These shapes are all of someone's mind. That's important to see.*
The steel? Hell, even the steel is out of someone's mind. There's no steel
in nature. Anyone from the Bronze Age could have told you that. All nature
has is a potential for steel. There's nothing else there.?
? Robert M. Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An Inquiry
Into Values <https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/175720>

So, it's important to see a main reason why these radios are so excellent;
because they come from the minds of people who can express their love and
talent for cw in radio circuits, just as eloquently as Wayne does in his
story.

Jim N4TMM

From mcb2179 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 12 16:50:45 2020
From: mcb2179 at gmail.com (Morgan Bailey, II)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 15:50:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
In-Reply-To: <4A64FD15-0130-4891-8897-33F482A9239F@elecraft.com>
References: <4A64FD15-0130-4891-8897-33F482A9239F@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CADa2mvjhC3HPpjxs0=rOgunbynDSjkQmAYf9LutZFEh1uPz16Q@mail.gmail.com>

This is excellent.
>
>

From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Sun Jul 12 17:02:17 2020
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 21:02:17 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Wayne's Story - "On Second Thought,
 I'll Take The Stairs
In-Reply-To: <CA+6T3FuwMAFgyfs-q_enHh70krtwbFvMShh0E9+Kj_SetdzKRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+6T3FuwMAFgyfs-q_enHh70krtwbFvMShh0E9+Kj_SetdzKRg@mail.gmail.com>
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I've been riding a motorcycle for 50 years...now I know why. 
I did read Pirsig's book when it was first published, but didn't remember this. I did remember that his friend rode a BMW and Pirsig made shims for the BMW's handlebar mounts out of a beer can, but was careful to never tell his friend, John I think, where the shims came from.

Jack BMW Motorcycles
Chuck KE9UW
c-hawley at illinois.edu

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 12, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Jim Ewing <ewinginator at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Relevant to what Wayne said is this quote from Pirsig:
> 
> *?That's all the motorcycle is, a system of concepts worked out in steel.
> There's no part in it, no shape in it, that is not out of someone's mind
> [...] I've noticed that people who have never worked with steel have
> trouble seeing this?that the motorcycle is primarily a mental phenomenon.*
> They associate metal with given shapes?pipes, rods, girders, tools,
> parts?all of them fixed and inviolable., and think of it as primarily
> physical. But a person who does machining or foundry work or forger work or
> welding sees "steel" as having no shape at all. Steel can be any shape you
> want if you are skilled enough, and any shape but the one you want if you
> are not. Shapes, like this tappet, are what you arrive at, what you give to
> the steel. Steel has no more shape than this old pile of dirt on the engine
> here. *These shapes are all of someone's mind. That's important to see.*
> The steel? Hell, even the steel is out of someone's mind. There's no steel
> in nature. Anyone from the Bronze Age could have told you that. All nature
> has is a potential for steel. There's nothing else there.?
> ? Robert M. Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An Inquiry
> Into Values <https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/175720>
> 
> So, it's important to see a main reason why these radios are so excellent;
> because they come from the minds of people who can express their love and
> talent for cw in radio circuits, just as eloquently as Wayne does in his
> story.
> 
> Jim N4TMM
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From macymonkeys at charter.net  Sun Jul 12 17:07:55 2020
From: macymonkeys at charter.net (Macy monkeys)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 14:07:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
In-Reply-To: <69ADF858-B4A5-4BD0-A1DC-AF64C4E3E90B@usermail.com>
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	<69ADF858-B4A5-4BD0-A1DC-AF64C4E3E90B@usermail.com>
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I'm all for learning CW but I hope those who graduate take it further than just the midweek CWT and weekend contests. I enjoy a good CW raghew and those are becoming mighty rare.

John K7FD

> On Jul 12, 2020, at 1:18 PM, "weaverwf at usermail.com" <weaverwf at usermail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Steve,
> Welcome to the ham community. If you are interested in CW operation I encourage you to look at the CW Academy sponsored CWOps at CWops.org. There is a program to carry you from beginner to 25 WPM with proper instruction along the way. That KX3 is a great radio for CW or any other mode you wish to pursue.
> 
> 73,
> Bill WE5P
> 
> Comfortably Numb
> 
>> On Jul 12, 2020, at 16:11, Steve Belunek <steve at stevebelunek.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hi Wayne,
>> 
>> As a new ham, having just joined this list and excitedly awaiting my first HF rig (a KX3), I really appreciate this perspective. 
>> 
>> I had considered whether to pursue getting into HF and DX, and what radio in general could offer over more "instant-gratification" forms of communication like SMS. What I kept coming back to is the excitement of learning and figuring new things out, the challenge of making contact, and the human element.
>> 
>> I feel like quick and easy texting has made conversation disposable, I remember when email was a once-a-day transmission via modem? or you had to write an actual letter to reach someone? the content of the transmission was far more considered, precisely because it took time and effort? and I think that effort made the message even more appreciated by the recipient.
>> 
>> When I was younger, my physics teacher gave me a shortwave radio? I must have spent hours tuning that dial listening to voice transmissions and strange beeps and boops. Then I got busy with a career working in computers. I am definitely a tinkerer and gadget geek.
>> 
>> Fast forward to today, I?ve re-discovered radio, got my license and my VHF/UHF HT? and I?m still intrigued by those far away signals? who?s out there sending them, and where are they coming from? 
>> 
>> 73,
>> Steve 
>> KM6ZNZ
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 12, 2020, at 8:07 AM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a friend about my age who got into amateur radio only a few years ago. Like many of us, he was enthusiastic about the technology. Intrigued with DX. 
>>> 
>>> I showed him my station; we talked endlessly about gear. Later, I helped him put up a simple wire antenna.
>>> 
>>> Then, when his license arrived, he dove straight into FT8 and didn't look back. Within days, he'd worked all states, then DXCC. He'd bag a few rare ones over a light lunch, then pat his laptop on the back and congratulate his software app for its near-mythical ability to extract weak signals out of noise. 
>>> 
>>> Within weeks, he'd mastered everything there was to know about this glorious new hobby. 
>>> 
>>> Point. Click.
>>> 
>>> In this new world order, those of us who took the longer, slower path to ionospheric enlightenment -- and who still occasionally enjoy making waves by hand -- often fail to explain why. 
>>> 
>>> I had failed to explain it to my friend. Even as hints of his boredom crept in, creating an opening, the best argument I'd made for trying CW was that he could do it without a computer. Coming in a weak second was the notion that CW was the original digital mode. For obvious reasons, I didn't bother with the classic argument about CW's signal-to-noise advantage over SSB. 
>>> 
>>> I had all but given up. 
>>> 
>>> Then, in a moment of delayed clarity, I decided on a different approach. I invited him to a weekday brunch. A bit of an escape. He willingly took the bait.
>>> 
>>> On the appointed day, arriving at his workplace, I bypassed the lobby's glistening elevators and climbed the four flights of stairs to his office. I insisted we take the stairs down, too. 
>>> 
>>> "Why?" he asked. "And how'd you get up here so fast?" 
>>> 
>>> I pointed out that I always chose stairs, when possible. That's why I wasn't out of breath. We hustled down, jockeying for position, and emerged on the ground floor invigorated by the effort.
>>> 
>>> "So, where are we going?" he asked. We'd been to every overrated twenty-dollar burger venue at least twice.
>>> 
>>> I replied that we'd be going someplace we'd never tried. My kitchen. 
>>> 
>>> When we arrived, I put him to work chopping onions and broccoli and squeezing oranges while I whipped eggs into a froth and grated Swiss cheese. We ate our omelettes outside, in full sun and a cool breeze. 
>>> 
>>> "What's for desert?" he asked. "Isn't there a frozen yogurt place a two-minute drive from here?"
>>> 
>>> I had something else in mind. Back in the kitchen, I handed him a water bottle, then strapped on a small pack I'd prepared earlier. 
>>> 
>>> We walked a mile or so through my neighborhood, admiring the houses' varied architecture, ending up (as planned) at a local park festooned with blackberry bushes. The most accessible branches had been picked clean, but with teamwork and persistence we were able to gather several large handfuls of fat, ripe berries, which we devoured on the spot. 
>>> 
>>> We'd been poked and scratched but didn't care. 
>>> 
>>> "Doesn't brunch usually end with champagne?" he wondered aloud, admiring his wounds.
>>> 
>>> Not this time. I pulled out two bottles of craft beer that I'd obtained from a neighbor in trade for repairing his ancient home stereo. Carlos had spent years crafting an American pilsner to die for, sweating every detail, including iconic, hand-painted labels. 
>>> 
>>> My friend accepted the bottle, then tried in vain to remove the cap. Not a twist-off.
>>> 
>>> "Opener?" he said. 
>>> 
>>> I handed him a small pocket knife, an antique without specialty blades. He soon discovered it could not be used to remove the cap directly. He looked at me with a bemused expression, no doubt wondering what I had up my sleeve this time. 
>>> 
>>> I pointed out that we were surrounded by white oaks, a species known for its hard wood. He got the message, smiled, and began hunting. Within seconds he'd collected a small fallen branch. I watched as he used the knife to fashion a few inches of it into a passable bottle opener. We popped the caps, toasted his new-found skill, and traded stories of our misspent youths.
>>> 
>>> "Oh, one more thing," I said.
>>> 
>>> I pulled a KX2 out of my pack, along with two lengths of wire. Of course he knew everything there was to know about Elecraft, and me, so he wasn't surprised when I also pulled out the rig's attachable keyer paddle. We threw one wire in the closest tree and laid the other on the ground.
>>> 
>>> He didn't have to ask whether I'd brought a laptop.
>>> 
>>> We listened to CW signals up and down 20 meters, which was open to Europe at the time. As he tuned in each station, I copied for him using pencil and paper. He'd learned Morse code, but only at very slow speeds. 
>>> 
>>> After making a contact, I set the internal keyer speed to 10 words per minute and dialed power output to zero, for practice purposes, then showed him how to use the paddle. He smiled as he got the hang of it. Sending the full alphabet was a challenge, but he got there. The KX2 decoded and displayed his keying, providing confirmation. 
>>> 
>>> We'd blown through his allotted lunch break by a factor of three, so it was time to go. We coiled up the antenna wires, packed up, and walked back. As I drove him back to his employer, we made plans to get together again for a weekend hike.
>>> 
>>> I could have just dropped him off, but we went back into the lobby together. Out of habit, he stopped in front of the elevator. Then he looked up.
>>> 
>>> "OK," he said. "I get it. This CW thing. It's slow, it's hard to do well, and it takes years of practice."
>>> 
>>> "Like hunting for your own food, or carving your own tools," I added.
>>> 
>>> "Or cooking from scratch. Or brewing your own beer. Building your own radio. And you use more of your senses. Not just your eyes, but your ears. Your sense of touch."
>>> 
>>> I nodded. Listening. Feeling. That was the radio I'd grown up with.
>>> 
>>> "Of course it's harder to work DX with CW than with FT8," I reminded him, playing devil's advocate.
>>> 
>>> "Is that what matters, though?" he asked. 
>>> 
>>> A longer discussion for another day.
>>> 
>>> "Your call," I said.
>>> 
>>> He gripped my shoulder and smiled, then reached toward the elevator's glowing, ivory colored button, framed by polished brass. 
>>> 
>>> The path most taken. 
>>> 
>>> Point. Click.
>>> 
>>> "On second thought," he said, "I'll take the stairs."
>>> 
>>> * * *
>>> 
>>> Wayne,
>>> N6KR
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From esteptony at gmail.com  Sun Jul 12 17:07:28 2020
From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 16:07:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Wayne's Story - "On Second Thought,
	I'll Take The Stairs
In-Reply-To: <CA+6T3FuwMAFgyfs-q_enHh70krtwbFvMShh0E9+Kj_SetdzKRg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 3:52 PM Jim Ewing <ewinginator at gmail.com> wrote:

> ...people who can express their love and
> talent for cw...

=============
Yep. Well, we all have a life history with radio. Mine began with a
real-life crystal set, the kind with a chunk of galena and a whisker and a
coil wound over an oatmeal box. Later, a Meissner regen receiver. Still
later, my first transmitter was all home-brew, 6146 final -- worked the
world with it and a Hallicrafters SX-96.
I've tried FT8 and even WiresX, but neither one seems much like radio. The
digital qso via an internet gateway seems particularly pointless, sorta
like a zoom call with a completely random person. I guess I'm just old.
73,
Tony KT0NY

From courtney at krehbielart.com  Sun Jul 12 17:31:07 2020
From: courtney at krehbielart.com (Courtney Krehbiel)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 21:31:07 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
Message-ID: <BYAPR17MB251934C14CABB976BF7CA132C9630@BYAPR17MB2519.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

Very well done Wayne!  For what it's worth, when someone asks me why ham radio and CW in the era of cell phones and internet, I usually ask them the question "Why do people buy sailboats?".  It's a great way to start the conversation, and I usually see lights go on.  As you eloquently illustrated, there's a lot of charm and fun to be had by taking the old traditional paths rather than the freeway.  It requires a lot of knowledge and skill to be a good CW operator or a sailor in a wind powered vessel.  

Cheers and 73,

  -- Courtney  KD6X

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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sun Jul 12 17:33:32 2020
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 14:33:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Wayne's Story - "On Second Thought,
 I'll Take The Stairs"
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Hi Tony,

> Tony Estep wrote:
> 
> I've tried FT8 and even WiresX, but neither one seems much like radio. The
> digital qso via an internet gateway seems particularly pointless, sorta
> like a zoom call with a completely random person. 

Now there's a new one. It'll take me awhile to shake this image :)

The argument for digital modes like FT8 is that they're reliable at or below the noise floor, making it possible to work lots of DX even if solar conditions are very poor. Simplicity of protocol is a side effect of this design.

But it begs the question: Is nearly effortless DXing all ham radio is about?

If at least some part of your on-air time is more visceral, more tangible, then -- some of us argue -- the overall experience can be more fulfilling.

Wayne
N6KR

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From w4ien at comcast.net  Sun Jul 12 17:42:10 2020
From: w4ien at comcast.net (ROBIN J KIDD)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 17:42:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: K2
Message-ID: <37603227.73839.1594590130271@connect.xfinity.com>


From a.durbin at msn.com  Sun Jul 12 17:51:21 2020
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 21:51:21 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB2968CA115D00FD6F503FBBCD8C630@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

I'm as old as many here but, unlike most here,  I left amateur radio for 40 years after my initial teenage enthusiasm as a "G3".   My 15-17 wpm copy capability and a reasonable fist with an English WT-8A were completely lost.  When I started over I had to learn the alphabet almost from scratch.

I see CW as a "means to an end" and, for me, the "end" is chasing DX.   If the DX is working CW I'll call them with CW.  If they are working FT8 then I'll call them with FT8.  It now seems far more likely that the DX I need is working FT8 and not CW.  Despite that, in my 8.5 years chasing DX as a "K", I have more DX confirmed using CW than with digital or phone.

I still can't have a CW conversation at more than about 14 wpm and never rag-chew.  No problem reading my own call at 35 wpm though, so happy to chase DX at that speed if that's the speed the DX wants to work.

CW is just the "means".  If I want a conversation I can use Skype.

73,
Andy, k3wyc


From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Sun Jul 12 18:49:00 2020
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 18:49:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB2968CA115D00FD6F503FBBCD8C630@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-F9DC2B2FAACE40828F11C7A101E6D7DB@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

I sympathise with Andy's view, but there's another way of 
looking at it:

Suppose you like tha ancient art of conversation with strangers, 
which I do. In fact, I'm doing it now. Now, what strangers do 
you want to select from? There are the people next to you in 
line at the airport (or at least there were BC). There are the 
people on long distance trains. etc.

But to select for people who are interested and knowledgable 
about radio communications, other hams are a pretty good choice. 
And what better place to find them than on the air?

Yes, you can find them on this list, and we are blessed with 
some true experts. But what happens here is more like letter 
writing than conversation. For conversation you need faster 
response. Pick up a mic, key, or an interactive digital mode and 
have a conversation.

73 Bill AE6JV

In this case CW, PSK, RTTY, SSB, FM etc. etc. etc. are close to 
the end itself.

On 7/12/20 at 5:51 PM, a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin) wrote:

>I see CW as a "means to an end" and, for me, the "end" is 
>chasing DX.   If the DX is working CW I'll call them with CW.  
>If they are working FT8 then I'll call them with FT8.  It now 
>seems far more likely that the DX I need is working FT8 and not 
>CW.  Despite that, in my 8.5 years chasing DX as a "K", I have 
>more DX confirmed using CW than with digital or phone.
>
>I still can't have a CW conversation at more than about 14 wpm 
>and never rag-chew.  No problem reading my own call at 35 wpm 
>though, so happy to chase DX at that speed if that's the speed 
>the DX wants to work.
>
>CW is just the "means".  If I want a conversation I can use Skype.


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From KX3.3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Sun Jul 12 19:53:50 2020
From: KX3.3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 16:53:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Wayne's Story - "On Second Thought,
 I'll Take The Stairs"
In-Reply-To: <B7A96380-7C19-4282-9A04-84FF01F085A0@elecraft.com>
References: <CA+6T3FuwMAFgyfs-q_enHh70krtwbFvMShh0E9+Kj_SetdzKRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACHwrmNhJsKv7vc70kQy9ws-HuA+k6sn+L960LG8KhR7LZhDig@mail.gmail.com>
	<B7A96380-7C19-4282-9A04-84FF01F085A0@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <3902dd27-a339-e35a-2ea7-e40bec8e7d3f@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

Yeah, great, reliable at or below the noise floor, but if all you're 
doing is meeting the somewhat arbitrary minimum that defines a QSO, 
what's the point?

I mean seriously, can you even ask about the weather?  Just say "hi?"

Meh.

I'm fine with typing, but I want a real live person typing back, and if 
we can type back and forth for an hour, that's great.

73 -- Lynn

On 7/12/20 2:33 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> The argument for digital modes like FT8 is that they're reliable at or below the noise floor, making it possible to work lots of DX even if solar conditions are very poor. Simplicity of protocol is a side effect of this design.

From jimk0xu at gmail.com  Sun Jul 12 20:17:42 2020
From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 19:17:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Wayne's Story - "On Second Thought,
	I'll Take The Stairs"
In-Reply-To: <3902dd27-a339-e35a-2ea7-e40bec8e7d3f@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
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	<B7A96380-7C19-4282-9A04-84FF01F085A0@elecraft.com>
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The truly great thing about amateur radio is that there are so very many
things that an operator can do. Since I retired and downsized to an
apartment with no tower or beam in an urban environment I find myself using
those very weak signal modes. Still have the KPA500 and KAT500, but using
that kind of power in an apartment is just not "neighbor friendly" so I am
saving them in case I decide to move back to a less congested area or find
a place I can set up a remote station. In the mean time there are those
digital modes that I can get on and make some Qs on. Please do not
denigrate these modes because there are a lot of people in similar
situations. Yes, I would love to crank up the juice, spin the beam around
and pound the green keys in plain old RTTY, but it just ain't happening
right now. So let me make a few Qs now and then and remember when I had a
"real ham station" making "real contacts". And if you don't like it I don't
give a (insert your least favorite term here) what you think. Have a nice
day.

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 18:54 Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT <
KX3.3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote:

> Yeah, great, reliable at or below the noise floor, but if all you're
> doing is meeting the somewhat arbitrary minimum that defines a QSO,
> what's the point?
>
> I mean seriously, can you even ask about the weather?  Just say "hi?"
>
> Meh.
>
> I'm fine with typing, but I want a real live person typing back, and if
> we can type back and forth for an hour, that's great.
>
> 73 -- Lynn
>
> On 7/12/20 2:33 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> > The argument for digital modes like FT8 is that they're reliable at or
> below the noise floor, making it possible to work lots of DX even if solar
> conditions are very poor. Simplicity of protocol is a side effect of this
> design.
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From rick.nk7i at gmail.com  Sun Jul 12 20:32:03 2020
From: rick.nk7i at gmail.com (Rick NK7I)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 17:32:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Wayne's Story - "On Second Thought,
	I'll Take The Stairs"
In-Reply-To: <3902dd27-a339-e35a-2ea7-e40bec8e7d3f@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <3902dd27-a339-e35a-2ea7-e40bec8e7d3f@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <96F0A6DA-72EB-47D6-86A5-92C10DB17F19@gmail.com>

You?ve just defined the vast majority of DX (and DXpedition in particular) contacts. 

That doesn?t make less a part of ham radio. 

Rick NK7I

Email spiel Czech corruptions happen

> On Jul 12, 2020, at 4:54 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT <KX3.3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote:
> 
> ?... but if all you're doing is meeting the somewhat arbitrary minimum that defines a QSO, what's the point?

From ab7echo at gmail.com  Sun Jul 12 20:40:26 2020
From: ab7echo at gmail.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 17:40:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
In-Reply-To: <3902dd27-a339-e35a-2ea7-e40bec8e7d3f@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <CA+6T3FuwMAFgyfs-q_enHh70krtwbFvMShh0E9+Kj_SetdzKRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACHwrmNhJsKv7vc70kQy9ws-HuA+k6sn+L960LG8KhR7LZhDig@mail.gmail.com>
	<B7A96380-7C19-4282-9A04-84FF01F085A0@elecraft.com>
	<3902dd27-a339-e35a-2ea7-e40bec8e7d3f@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <3c96aeb7-3cd2-d3ca-eb15-f492e8a1cf55@gmail.com>


Well, the fact is that the coding and processing behind modes like FT8 
doesn't have to be as rigid as is implemented in WSJT-X.? It only 
requires that information be sent and received in time frames, and those 
time frames are simply a function of three variables ... bandwidth, 
rate, and number of characters in the message frame.? It would be 
possible to change any of those, such as widening the bandwidth to 
increase the number of characters for the same time frame.

It would also be possible to send text but have it converted to CW on 
the other end.? Or even to key CW that gets converted to text before 
transmission ... i.e., CW to CW except with significantly better S/N 
performance.? If the user was willing to live with a narrow bandwidth 
single conversation format, clock synchronization isn't even really 
needed.?? And if we were willing to live with a single conversation 
format, there would be no point in cramming everyone into 2.4 KHz and we 
could spread out like we do for every other mode.

I'm no expert, but I think that the coding could have enough error 
checking to allow busted message frames to be printed (or converted to 
CW) ... although of course with errors.? The extra error processing? 
would reduce the character count, though, all other things being equal.

The point is that the digital signal processing behind FT8 is extremely 
powerful and could be adapted to other user formats with a lot more 
flexibility than we have with FT8.? The hams who just dismiss FT8 out of 
hand really don't understand the broader weak signal applicability of it.

73,
Dave?? AB7E



On 7/12/2020 4:53 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
> Yeah, great, reliable at or below the noise floor, but if all you're 
> doing is meeting the somewhat arbitrary minimum that defines a QSO, 
> what's the point?
>
> I mean seriously, can you even ask about the weather?? Just say "hi?"
>
> Meh.
>
> I'm fine with typing, but I want a real live person typing back, and 
> if we can type back and forth for an hour, that's great.
>
> 73 -- Lynn
>
> On 7/12/20 2:33 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> The argument for digital modes like FT8 is that they're reliable at 
>> or below the noise floor, making it possible to work lots of DX even 
>> if solar conditions are very poor. Simplicity of protocol is a side 
>> effect of this design.
> ______________________________________________________________
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From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Sun Jul 12 21:18:21 2020
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 20:18:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
In-Reply-To: <3c96aeb7-3cd2-d3ca-eb15-f492e8a1cf55@gmail.com>
References: <CA+6T3FuwMAFgyfs-q_enHh70krtwbFvMShh0E9+Kj_SetdzKRg@mail.gmail.com>	<CACHwrmNhJsKv7vc70kQy9ws-HuA+k6sn+L960LG8KhR7LZhDig@mail.gmail.com>	<B7A96380-7C19-4282-9A04-84FF01F085A0@elecraft.com>	<3902dd27-a339-e35a-2ea7-e40bec8e7d3f@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<3c96aeb7-3cd2-d3ca-eb15-f492e8a1cf55@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002601d658b3$7fd19440$7f74bcc0$@LNAINC.com>

Enter JS8Call.

All the technology of FT8, plus all of the conversationality of CW, RTTY and SSB rolled into one.

If you haven't tried it, you really should.  It's developer, Jordan Sherer (KN4CRD) has done a terrific job with it and I am honored to have been a part of the beta team almost since day one.

http://js8call.com/

73
Lyn, W0LEN


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Gilbert
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 7:40 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"


Well, the fact is that the coding and processing behind modes like FT8 
doesn't have to be as rigid as is implemented in WSJT-X.  It only 
requires that information be sent and received in time frames, and those 
time frames are simply a function of three variables ... bandwidth, 
rate, and number of characters in the message frame.  It would be 
possible to change any of those, such as widening the bandwidth to 
increase the number of characters for the same time frame.

It would also be possible to send text but have it converted to CW on 
the other end.  Or even to key CW that gets converted to text before 
transmission ... i.e., CW to CW except with significantly better S/N 
performance.  If the user was willing to live with a narrow bandwidth 
single conversation format, clock synchronization isn't even really 
needed.   And if we were willing to live with a single conversation 
format, there would be no point in cramming everyone into 2.4 KHz and we 
could spread out like we do for every other mode.

I'm no expert, but I think that the coding could have enough error 
checking to allow busted message frames to be printed (or converted to 
CW) ... although of course with errors.  The extra error processing  
would reduce the character count, though, all other things being equal.

The point is that the digital signal processing behind FT8 is extremely 
powerful and could be adapted to other user formats with a lot more 
flexibility than we have with FT8.  The hams who just dismiss FT8 out of 
hand really don't understand the broader weak signal applicability of it.

73,
Dave   AB7E



On 7/12/2020 4:53 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
> Yeah, great, reliable at or below the noise floor, but if all you're 
> doing is meeting the somewhat arbitrary minimum that defines a QSO, 
> what's the point?
>
> I mean seriously, can you even ask about the weather?  Just say "hi?"
>
> Meh.
>
> I'm fine with typing, but I want a real live person typing back, and 
> if we can type back and forth for an hour, that's great.
>
> 73 -- Lynn
>
> On 7/12/20 2:33 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> The argument for digital modes like FT8 is that they're reliable at 
>> or below the noise floor, making it possible to work lots of DX even 
>> if solar conditions are very poor. Simplicity of protocol is a side 
>> effect of this design.
> ______________________________________________________________
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From KX3.3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Sun Jul 12 21:24:21 2020
From: KX3.3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 18:24:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Wayne's Story - "On Second Thought,
 I'll Take The Stairs"
In-Reply-To: <96F0A6DA-72EB-47D6-86A5-92C10DB17F19@gmail.com>
References: <3902dd27-a339-e35a-2ea7-e40bec8e7d3f@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<96F0A6DA-72EB-47D6-86A5-92C10DB17F19@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <763cd7f1-dfcc-87c5-0c27-bc6978d11525@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

With all due respect, Rick, that argument works both ways.

I see why people would want to go on a DXpedition.  It's quite an adventure.

I can understand certificate hunting, DXCC and all of that.

I get the people who are totally into linking VHF/UHF via the Internet.

There is a vast amount of fun building radios, and there are similar 
"homebrew" opportunities.  I know, I've done a lot of homebrew software.

Then there is slow-scan TV, and in some metropolitan areas, fast-scan TV.

I spent many an evening Transmitter Hunting, but to many driving around 
on a rainy night with a 4 element 2m quad sticking out the window is 
excessive.

I got my Extra so I could become a Volunteer Examiner.

I know I've left out a lot, but it's all important to the hobby.  Every 
single niche and variation.

I'm simply not attracted to FT-8.

I understand that someone has taken the ideas behind the low bandwidth 
encoding and etc. and turned it into something you can chat through, and 
that sounds like fun to me.

As usually, YMMV.

73 -- Lynn

On 7/12/20 5:32 PM, Rick NK7I wrote:
> You?ve just defined the vast majority of DX (and DXpedition in particular) contacts.
> 
> That doesn?t make less a part of ham radio.
> 
> Rick NK7I
> 
> Email spiel Czech corruptions happen
> 
>> On Jul 12, 2020, at 4:54 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT <KX3.3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?... but if all you're doing is meeting the somewhat arbitrary minimum that defines a QSO, what's the point?

From KX3.3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Sun Jul 12 21:32:02 2020
From: KX3.3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 18:32:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
In-Reply-To: <002601d658b3$7fd19440$7f74bcc0$@LNAINC.com>
References: <CA+6T3FuwMAFgyfs-q_enHh70krtwbFvMShh0E9+Kj_SetdzKRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACHwrmNhJsKv7vc70kQy9ws-HuA+k6sn+L960LG8KhR7LZhDig@mail.gmail.com>
	<B7A96380-7C19-4282-9A04-84FF01F085A0@elecraft.com>
	<3902dd27-a339-e35a-2ea7-e40bec8e7d3f@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<3c96aeb7-3cd2-d3ca-eb15-f492e8a1cf55@gmail.com>
	<002601d658b3$7fd19440$7f74bcc0$@LNAINC.com>
Message-ID: <4d135e5f-3484-bca9-6c94-a36a2a610259@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

I was trying to remember JS8CALL -- thanks for the reminder.

The best thing about this hobby is that there are so many options and so 
many different things you can do.

David, in my off-list message, I was thinking of JS8CALL.

73 -- Lynn

On 7/12/20 6:18 PM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
> Enter JS8Call.
> 
> All the technology of FT8, plus all of the conversationality of CW, RTTY and SSB rolled into one.
> 
> If you haven't tried it, you really should.  It's developer, Jordan Sherer (KN4CRD) has done a terrific job with it and I am honored to have been a part of the beta team almost since day one.
> 
> http://js8call.com/
> 
> 73
> Lyn, W0LEN
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Gilbert
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 7:40 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
> 
> 
> Well, the fact is that the coding and processing behind modes like FT8
> doesn't have to be as rigid as is implemented in WSJT-X.  It only
> requires that information be sent and received in time frames, and those
> time frames are simply a function of three variables ... bandwidth,
> rate, and number of characters in the message frame.  It would be
> possible to change any of those, such as widening the bandwidth to
> increase the number of characters for the same time frame.
> 
> It would also be possible to send text but have it converted to CW on
> the other end.  Or even to key CW that gets converted to text before
> transmission ... i.e., CW to CW except with significantly better S/N
> performance.  If the user was willing to live with a narrow bandwidth
> single conversation format, clock synchronization isn't even really
> needed.   And if we were willing to live with a single conversation
> format, there would be no point in cramming everyone into 2.4 KHz and we
> could spread out like we do for every other mode.
> 
> I'm no expert, but I think that the coding could have enough error
> checking to allow busted message frames to be printed (or converted to
> CW) ... although of course with errors.  The extra error processing
> would reduce the character count, though, all other things being equal.
> 
> The point is that the digital signal processing behind FT8 is extremely
> powerful and could be adapted to other user formats with a lot more
> flexibility than we have with FT8.  The hams who just dismiss FT8 out of
> hand really don't understand the broader weak signal applicability of it.
> 
> 73,
> Dave   AB7E

From K6RV at earthlink.net  Sun Jul 12 21:56:03 2020
From: K6RV at earthlink.net (Donald Schliesser)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 20:56:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] On Second thought ,,,,,,
Message-ID: <c6d9780e-4197-a934-658a-fa9fb49790b2@earthlink.net>


From ab7echo at gmail.com  Sun Jul 12 21:57:07 2020
From: ab7echo at gmail.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 18:57:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
In-Reply-To: <002601d658b3$7fd19440$7f74bcc0$@LNAINC.com>
References: <CA+6T3FuwMAFgyfs-q_enHh70krtwbFvMShh0E9+Kj_SetdzKRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACHwrmNhJsKv7vc70kQy9ws-HuA+k6sn+L960LG8KhR7LZhDig@mail.gmail.com>
	<B7A96380-7C19-4282-9A04-84FF01F085A0@elecraft.com>
	<3902dd27-a339-e35a-2ea7-e40bec8e7d3f@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<3c96aeb7-3cd2-d3ca-eb15-f492e8a1cf55@gmail.com>
	<002601d658b3$7fd19440$7f74bcc0$@LNAINC.com>
Message-ID: <6f2e3f36-c296-df76-cd0e-713977da295b@gmail.com>



Not quite.? I'm aware of JS8 and tried it more than a year ago, but it 
still has much of the rigidity of the WSJT-X user interface and isn't as 
basic as I think would be desirable.

Think of it this way ... CW works fine as both a contest mode, DXing 
mode, and conversational mode.? Underlaying CW with a well configured 
digital signal processing scheme like that which is under FT8, except 
with a different user interface than either WSJT-X or JS8,? could be 
equally versatile but with maybe 6-8 db better S/N ... possibly by an 
even greater margin if the decoding allowed errors instead of being all 
or nothing.

I'm not saying text-to-CW is the only way to reap the benefit of modern 
digital signal processing ... only using it as an example.

People only interested in a contact will probably always prefer 
WSJT-X/FT8 because it does that very well, but both contesting and rag 
chewing could really use a different (simpler) structure while still 
utilizing the superior weak signal peformance of modern digital signal 
processing.? I guarantee that it is possible to do so.

73,
Dave?? AB7E


On 7/12/2020 6:18 PM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
> Enter JS8Call.
>
> All the technology of FT8, plus all of the conversationality of CW, RTTY and SSB rolled into one.
>
> If you haven't tried it, you really should.  It's developer, Jordan Sherer (KN4CRD) has done a terrific job with it and I am honored to have been a part of the beta team almost since day one.
>
> http://js8call.com/
>
> 73
> Lyn, W0LEN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Gilbert
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 7:40 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
>
>
> Well, the fact is that the coding and processing behind modes like FT8
> doesn't have to be as rigid as is implemented in WSJT-X.  It only
> requires that information be sent and received in time frames, and those
> time frames are simply a function of three variables ... bandwidth,
> rate, and number of characters in the message frame.  It would be
> possible to change any of those, such as widening the bandwidth to
> increase the number of characters for the same time frame.
>
> It would also be possible to send text but have it converted to CW on
> the other end.  Or even to key CW that gets converted to text before
> transmission ... i.e., CW to CW except with significantly better S/N
> performance.  If the user was willing to live with a narrow bandwidth
> single conversation format, clock synchronization isn't even really
> needed.   And if we were willing to live with a single conversation
> format, there would be no point in cramming everyone into 2.4 KHz and we
> could spread out like we do for every other mode.
>
> I'm no expert, but I think that the coding could have enough error
> checking to allow busted message frames to be printed (or converted to
> CW) ... although of course with errors.  The extra error processing
> would reduce the character count, though, all other things being equal.
>
> The point is that the digital signal processing behind FT8 is extremely
> powerful and could be adapted to other user formats with a lot more
> flexibility than we have with FT8.  The hams who just dismiss FT8 out of
> hand really don't understand the broader weak signal applicability of it.
>
> 73,
> Dave   AB7E
>
>
>
> On 7/12/2020 4:53 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
>> Yeah, great, reliable at or below the noise floor, but if all you're
>> doing is meeting the somewhat arbitrary minimum that defines a QSO,
>> what's the point?
>>
>> I mean seriously, can you even ask about the weather?  Just say "hi?"
>>
>> Meh.
>>
>> I'm fine with typing, but I want a real live person typing back, and
>> if we can type back and forth for an hour, that's great.
>>
>> 73 -- Lynn
>>
>> On 7/12/20 2:33 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>> The argument for digital modes like FT8 is that they're reliable at
>>> or below the noise floor, making it possible to work lots of DX even
>>> if solar conditions are very poor. Simplicity of protocol is a side
>>> effect of this design.
>> _________________


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sun Jul 12 22:06:05 2020
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 19:06:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
In-Reply-To: <6f2e3f36-c296-df76-cd0e-713977da295b@gmail.com>
References: <CA+6T3FuwMAFgyfs-q_enHh70krtwbFvMShh0E9+Kj_SetdzKRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACHwrmNhJsKv7vc70kQy9ws-HuA+k6sn+L960LG8KhR7LZhDig@mail.gmail.com>
	<B7A96380-7C19-4282-9A04-84FF01F085A0@elecraft.com>
	<3902dd27-a339-e35a-2ea7-e40bec8e7d3f@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<3c96aeb7-3cd2-d3ca-eb15-f492e8a1cf55@gmail.com>
	<002601d658b3$7fd19440$7f74bcc0$@LNAINC.com>
	<6f2e3f36-c296-df76-cd0e-713977da295b@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B9EFDB77-19EA-4A28-9E75-922AE89FB112@elecraft.com>


> On Jul 12, 2020, at 6:57 PM, David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Think of it this way ... CW works fine as both a contest mode, DXing mode, and conversational mode.  Underlaying CW with a well configured digital signal processing scheme like that which is under FT8, except with a different user interface than either WSJT-X or JS8,  could be equally versatile but with maybe 6-8 db better S/N ... possibly by an even greater margin if the decoding allowed errors instead of being all or nothing.


Except that (a) you don't have to know CW, and (b) you don't need a key. There goes 73% of its charm :)

Wayne
N6KR




From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Jul 12 23:05:19 2020
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 20:05:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <945d62eb-9661-c34e-08e1-8c3b1c901a5c@coho.net>

Good Evening,

Twenty meters was surprising.? Brian came on early with a very loud 
signal.? Dave and Roy were both weaker than normal.? Easy copy because 
the band was not as noisy.? John did have the noise of a storm covering 
him even though his signal was good too.? Jim had a great signal but was 
about to melt from 104 degree heat. His pool was calling him.

Forty meters was not like the last three weeks.? It had noise on it.? A 
storm well off in the distance, not the dead quiet of before.? The QSB 
had a 3 s-unit range but copy was good.


 ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

K4TO - Dave - KY

K6XK - Roy - IA

NO8V - John - MI

W6JHB - Jim - CA


 ? On 7047.5 kHz at 0000z:

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

K6PJV - Dale - CA

WM5F - Dwight - ID


Between nets I went out on the deck.? It had warmed up enough for the 
butterflies to start working the clover.? One of them flew up into a fir 
tree.? That drew my eye to a smaller than normal hummingbird.? In shades 
of gray.? An immature hummingbird learning how to fly.? I'm not sure 
which species.? There are two here: Rufous and Anna's, both small, both 
colorful.? This one was a study by Ansel Adams, "Hummingbird in a shaft 
of light".? Maybe I can see it as it gains its adult plumage.

Until next week stay cool, drink your fluids, get on the air, 73

 ?? Kevin.? KD5ONS


Do, or do not, there is no try.


From wlbaber at bellsouth.net  Sun Jul 12 23:47:53 2020
From: wlbaber at bellsouth.net (WILLIE BABER)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 03:47:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
In-Reply-To: <B9EFDB77-19EA-4A28-9E75-922AE89FB112@elecraft.com>
References: <CA+6T3FuwMAFgyfs-q_enHh70krtwbFvMShh0E9+Kj_SetdzKRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACHwrmNhJsKv7vc70kQy9ws-HuA+k6sn+L960LG8KhR7LZhDig@mail.gmail.com>
	<B7A96380-7C19-4282-9A04-84FF01F085A0@elecraft.com>
	<3902dd27-a339-e35a-2ea7-e40bec8e7d3f@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
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There is a way to improve the signal to noise of the CW signal.? It is called the yagi or beam antenna.
The tower, guy system, beam, feedline, connectors, and switching, all have considerable appeal for some of us, the same as a good paddle, or a K3 radio.
My four towers and yagis were built by me--solo on the tower--and I do relate to my antenna system in the same way I do to my German-crafted cw paddle (even though I did not build it).
The details about how to do anything is subject to standards about how, exactly, to do it (and without harming yourself or others).
Of course you could decide that an egg is an egg no matter what you do to it (I have seen some tower systems that I would not climb).?
I had several tower Elmers starting with Dave Bunte, k9fn, who put up my first tower, a BX tower, at the tall height of 32 feet.?I was fearful of that 32 foot tower.? Now I routinely go above 100 feet with two towers at 130 feet.? I turn 70 years old in September.
If I had more than 4 acres I would have gone to 160 feet, for the sake of 80 meters.
We all have our limitations (4 acres in my case but a ponderosa compared to many others) as well as our different ways of making art but, like a good omelet, the love of art is what makes life so pleasant, and far less dangerous.
73, Will, wj9b





CWops #1085
CWA Advisor levels II and III
http://cwops.org/ 

    On Sunday, July 12, 2020, 7:07:32 PM PDT, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:  
 
 
> On Jul 12, 2020, at 6:57 PM, David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Think of it this way ... CW works fine as both a contest mode, DXing mode, and conversational mode.? Underlaying CW with a well configured digital signal processing scheme like that which is under FT8, except with a different user interface than either WSJT-X or JS8,? could be equally versatile but with maybe 6-8 db better S/N ... possibly by an even greater margin if the decoding allowed errors instead of being all or nothing.


Except that (a) you don't have to know CW, and (b) you don't need a key. There goes 73% of its charm :)

Wayne
N6KR



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From ab7echo at gmail.com  Sun Jul 12 23:55:45 2020
From: ab7echo at gmail.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 20:55:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
In-Reply-To: <544686610.601697.1594612073414@mail.yahoo.com>
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	<B7A96380-7C19-4282-9A04-84FF01F085A0@elecraft.com>
	<3902dd27-a339-e35a-2ea7-e40bec8e7d3f@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
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First of all, there is no comparison between the cost of what you just 
described and the cost of the software required to provide what I 
hypothesized.? Secondly, what I hypothesized would stack on top of what 
you described without conflict.

So I'm afraid I really don't understand the point of your post.

73,
Dave?? AB7E



On 7/12/2020 8:47 PM, WILLIE BABER wrote:
> There is a way to improve the signal to noise of the CW signal.? It is 
> called the yagi or beam antenna.
>
> The tower, guy system, beam, feedline, connectors, and switching, all 
> have considerable appeal for some of us, the same as a good paddle, or 
> a K3 radio.
>
> My four towers and yagis were built by me--solo on the tower--and I do 
> relate to my antenna system in the same way I do to my German-crafted 
> cw paddle (even though I did not build it).
>
> The details about how to do anything is subject to standards about 
> how, exactly, to do it (and without harming yourself or others).
>
> Of course you could decide that an egg is an egg no matter what you do 
> to it (I have seen some tower systems that I would not climb).
>
> I had several tower Elmers starting with Dave Bunte, k9fn, who put up 
> my first tower, a BX tower, at the tall height of 32 feet.
> I was fearful of that 32 foot tower.? Now I routinely go above 100 
> feet with two towers at 130 feet.? I turn 70 years old in September.
>
> If I had more than 4 acres I would have gone to 160 feet, for the sake 
> of 80 meters.
>
> We all have our limitations (4 acres in my case but a ponderosa 
> compared to many others) as well as our different ways of making art 
> but, like a good omelet, the love of art is what makes life so 
> pleasant, and far less dangerous.
>
> 73, Will, wj9b
>
>
>
>
>
> CWops #1085
> CWA Advisor levels II and III
> http://cwops.org/
>
>
> On Sunday, July 12, 2020, 7:07:32 PM PDT, Wayne Burdick 
> <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 12, 2020, at 6:57 PM, David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com 
> <mailto:ab7echo at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Think of it this way ... CW works fine as both a contest mode, DXing 
> mode, and conversational mode. Underlaying CW with a well configured 
> digital signal processing scheme like that which is under FT8, except 
> with a different user interface than either WSJT-X or JS8,? could be 
> equally versatile but with maybe 6-8 db better S/N ... possibly by an 
> even greater margin if the decoding allowed errors instead of being 
> all or nothing.
>
>
> Except that (a) you don't have to know CW, and (b) you don't need a 
> key. There goes 73% of its charm :)
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>


From KX3.3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Mon Jul 13 00:09:44 2020
From: KX3.3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 21:09:44 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
In-Reply-To: <4d135e5f-3484-bca9-6c94-a36a2a610259@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
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But apparently, according to other posts on this list, DXing and CW is 
Amateur Radio, and if you don't have fun doing that, you aren't really a 
ham.

Oh well.

73 -- Lynn

On 7/12/20 6:32 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
> I was trying to remember JS8CALL -- thanks for the reminder.
> 
> The best thing about this hobby is that there are so many options and so 
> many different things you can do.
> 
> David, in my off-list message, I was thinking of JS8CALL.
> 
> 73 -- Lynn
> 
> On 7/12/20 6:18 PM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
>> Enter JS8Call.
>>
>> All the technology of FT8, plus all of the conversationality of CW, 
>> RTTY and SSB rolled into one.
>>
>> If you haven't tried it, you really should.? It's developer, Jordan 
>> Sherer (KN4CRD) has done a terrific job with it and I am honored to 
>> have been a part of the beta team almost since day one.
>>
>> http://js8call.com/
>>
>> 73
>> Lyn, W0LEN
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
>> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Gilbert
>> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 7:40 PM
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
>>
>>
>> Well, the fact is that the coding and processing behind modes like FT8
>> doesn't have to be as rigid as is implemented in WSJT-X.? It only
>> requires that information be sent and received in time frames, and those
>> time frames are simply a function of three variables ... bandwidth,
>> rate, and number of characters in the message frame.? It would be
>> possible to change any of those, such as widening the bandwidth to
>> increase the number of characters for the same time frame.
>>
>> It would also be possible to send text but have it converted to CW on
>> the other end.? Or even to key CW that gets converted to text before
>> transmission ... i.e., CW to CW except with significantly better S/N
>> performance.? If the user was willing to live with a narrow bandwidth
>> single conversation format, clock synchronization isn't even really
>> needed.?? And if we were willing to live with a single conversation
>> format, there would be no point in cramming everyone into 2.4 KHz and we
>> could spread out like we do for every other mode.
>>
>> I'm no expert, but I think that the coding could have enough error
>> checking to allow busted message frames to be printed (or converted to
>> CW) ... although of course with errors.? The extra error processing
>> would reduce the character count, though, all other things being equal.
>>
>> The point is that the digital signal processing behind FT8 is extremely
>> powerful and could be adapted to other user formats with a lot more
>> flexibility than we have with FT8.? The hams who just dismiss FT8 out of
>> hand really don't understand the broader weak signal applicability of it.
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave?? AB7E
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 03:41:41 2020
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 10:41:41 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
In-Reply-To: <B9EFDB77-19EA-4A28-9E75-922AE89FB112@elecraft.com>
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	<B7A96380-7C19-4282-9A04-84FF01F085A0@elecraft.com>
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For me, it's simple.

When I make a CW contact, even if its total content is "ENN TU", I am 
connected to history, to Jack Phillips on the Titanic, to all of the 
military traffic men and airborne radio operators of WWII, to the 
operators on the merchant ships on the high seas and the Great Lakes, 
and to all the hams of the past, even Mr. Marconi, the first ham.

I like hearing the propagation change with my own ears and struggling to 
capture an ESP-level call. I like the feel of the key and the sound of 
the code. I like the idea that there is another person like me at the 
other end with his or her hand on a key.

I consider myself extremely lucky to have caught the bug at a young age 
and developed the skill needed to make CW as transparent to me as my 
mother tongue. I see how hard it is for those who begin to learn at 
middle age or older. They shouldn't give up -- it's worth it.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
.
On 13/07/2020 5:06, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> 
>> On Jul 12, 2020, at 6:57 PM, David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Think of it this way ... CW works fine as both a contest mode,
>> DXing mode, and conversational mode.  Underlaying CW with a well
>> configured digital signal processing scheme like that which is
>> under FT8, except with a different user interface than either
>> WSJT-X or JS8,  could be equally versatile but with maybe 6-8 db
>> better S/N ... possibly by an even greater margin if the decoding
>> allowed errors instead of being all or nothing.
> 
> 
> Except that (a) you don't have to know CW, and (b) you don't need a
> key. There goes 73% of its charm :)
> 
> Wayne N6KR

From ab7echo at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 03:44:36 2020
From: ab7echo at gmail.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 00:44:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
In-Reply-To: <74556270-c267-fe1e-c557-0bcb4d74a062@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <CA+6T3FuwMAFgyfs-q_enHh70krtwbFvMShh0E9+Kj_SetdzKRg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<B7A96380-7C19-4282-9A04-84FF01F085A0@elecraft.com>
	<3902dd27-a339-e35a-2ea7-e40bec8e7d3f@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
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Message-ID: <16644a52-f9fd-6d02-e875-f62114fdf318@gmail.com>


No, those other posts didn't say that.

I don't know why some hams insist on fabricating controversy where there 
is none.? It seems like the bulk of our American society is determined 
to be as tribal as possible.? Sorry times we live in.

Dave?? AB7E



On 7/12/2020 9:09 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
> But apparently, according to other posts on this list, DXing and CW is 
> Amateur Radio, and if you don't have fun doing that, you aren't really 
> a ham.
>
> Oh well.
>
> 73 -- Lynn


From ab7echo at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 03:59:36 2020
From: ab7echo at gmail.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 00:59:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
In-Reply-To: <3ac27805-0645-14c9-582f-601efd94c278@gmail.com>
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	<B7A96380-7C19-4282-9A04-84FF01F085A0@elecraft.com>
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Fine, but that demarcation is pretty arbitrary.? You could just as 
easily go back to tube gear with crystal controlled transmitters and 
regenerative receivers., but I'd be a lot of money you don't.? The gear 
you operate compares little in form, fit or function to anything those 
folks used back then.? Your current radio almost certainly has a lot of 
digital signal processing already, and I'll bet you use a keyer instead 
of a hand key.? Quite frankly, I can just as easily imagine somebody at 
his keyboard on the other end as I could if he was operating a paddle.? 
Most DXing and almost all contesting is already somebody simply pounding 
on a function key on a keyboard.

And like I said before, it is entirely possible to preserve the bulk of 
everything you mention and still use modern signal processing to make 
human connections more achievable.? WSJT-X just doesn't happen to be 
that at this point, but that doesn't mean something else couldn't be.

Dave?? AB7E




On 7/13/2020 12:41 AM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote:
> For me, it's simple.
>
> When I make a CW contact, even if its total content is "ENN TU", I am 
> connected to history, to Jack Phillips on the Titanic, to all of the 
> military traffic men and airborne radio operators of WWII, to the 
> operators on the merchant ships on the high seas and the Great Lakes, 
> and to all the hams of the past, even Mr. Marconi, the first ham.
>
> I like hearing the propagation change with my own ears and struggling 
> to capture an ESP-level call. I like the feel of the key and the sound 
> of the code. I like the idea that there is another person like me at 
> the other end with his or her hand on a key.
>
> I consider myself extremely lucky to have caught the bug at a young 
> age and developed the skill needed to make CW as transparent to me as 
> my mother tongue. I see how hard it is for those who begin to learn at 
> middle age or older. They shouldn't give up -- it's worth it.
>
> 73,
> Victor, 4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> Formerly K2VCO
> CWops no. 5
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
> .
> On 13/07/2020 5:06, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 12, 2020, at 6:57 PM, David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Think of it this way ... CW works fine as both a contest mode,
>>> DXing mode, and conversational mode.? Underlaying CW with a well
>>> configured digital signal processing scheme like that which is
>>> under FT8, except with a different user interface than either
>>> WSJT-X or JS8,? could be equally versatile but with maybe 6-8 db
>>> better S/N ... possibly by an even greater margin if the decoding
>>> allowed errors instead of being all or nothing.
>>
>>
>> Except that (a) you don't have to know CW, and (b) you don't need a
>> key. There goes 73% of its charm :)
>>
>> Wayne N6KR
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Mon Jul 13 04:21:45 2020
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 04:21:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
In-Reply-To: <b7e0d9cb-bda4-302c-a5a6-2046eac7534f@gmail.com>
References: <b7e0d9cb-bda4-302c-a5a6-2046eac7534f@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <95A14504-BD60-4F00-A60D-0354107549FF@widomaker.com>

I believe that half of US hams are Technician Class, so mostly VHF/UHF FM operators.  Not a lot of DX or contesting there. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 13, 2020, at 4:03 AM, David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Fine, but that demarcation is pretty arbitrary.  You could just as easily go back to tube gear with crystal controlled transmitters and regenerative receivers., but I'd be a lot of money you don't.  The gear you operate compares little in form, fit or function to anything those folks used back then.  Your current radio almost certainly has a lot of digital signal processing already, and I'll bet you use a keyer instead of a hand key.  Quite frankly, I can just as easily imagine somebody at his keyboard on the other end as I could if he was operating a paddle.  Most DXing and almost all contesting is already somebody simply pounding on a function key on a keyboard.
> 
> And like I said before, it is entirely possible to preserve the bulk of everything you mention and still use modern signal processing to make human connections more achievable.  WSJT-X just doesn't happen to be that at this point, but that doesn't mean something else couldn't be.
> 
> Dave   AB7E
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 7/13/2020 12:41 AM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote:
>> For me, it's simple.
>> 
>> When I make a CW contact, even if its total content is "ENN TU", I am connected to history, to Jack Phillips on the Titanic, to all of the military traffic men and airborne radio operators of WWII, to the operators on the merchant ships on the high seas and the Great Lakes, and to all the hams of the past, even Mr. Marconi, the first ham.
>> 
>> I like hearing the propagation change with my own ears and struggling to capture an ESP-level call. I like the feel of the key and the sound of the code. I like the idea that there is another person like me at the other end with his or her hand on a key.
>> 
>> I consider myself extremely lucky to have caught the bug at a young age and developed the skill needed to make CW as transparent to me as my mother tongue. I see how hard it is for those who begin to learn at middle age or older. They shouldn't give up -- it's worth it.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Victor, 4X6GP
>> Rehovot, Israel
>> Formerly K2VCO
>> CWops no. 5
>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>> .
>>> On 13/07/2020 5:06, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 12, 2020, at 6:57 PM, David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Think of it this way ... CW works fine as both a contest mode,

From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 04:17:01 2020
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 11:17:01 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
In-Reply-To: <b7e0d9cb-bda4-302c-a5a6-2046eac7534f@gmail.com>
References: <CA+6T3FuwMAFgyfs-q_enHh70krtwbFvMShh0E9+Kj_SetdzKRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACHwrmNhJsKv7vc70kQy9ws-HuA+k6sn+L960LG8KhR7LZhDig@mail.gmail.com>
	<B7A96380-7C19-4282-9A04-84FF01F085A0@elecraft.com>
	<3902dd27-a339-e35a-2ea7-e40bec8e7d3f@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
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Actually, I'm building a regenerative receiver now. I have to use JFETs 
because I got rid of all my tube stuff due to lack of room. But of 
course I will continue to benefit from the DSP in my K3, and its keyer 
(although I have a bug that I use once in a while).

But those things don't take away the connection to history, they make it 
better. The point for me isn't to use the same gear as they did in 1912, 
but to enter the Morse space as they did. If I can do it with equipment 
that is more stable and effective, so much the better.

After all, a modern sailboat is very much more sophisticated than an old 
one, but sailing is still sailing.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
.
On 13/07/2020 10:59, David Gilbert wrote:
> 
> Fine, but that demarcation is pretty arbitrary.? You could just as 
> easily go back to tube gear with crystal controlled transmitters and 
> regenerative receivers., but I'd be a lot of money you don't.? The gear 
> you operate compares little in form, fit or function to anything those 
> folks used back then.? Your current radio almost certainly has a lot of 
> digital signal processing already, and I'll bet you use a keyer instead 
> of a hand key.? Quite frankly, I can just as easily imagine somebody at 
> his keyboard on the other end as I could if he was operating a paddle. 
> Most DXing and almost all contesting is already somebody simply pounding 
> on a function key on a keyboard.
> 
> And like I said before, it is entirely possible to preserve the bulk of 
> everything you mention and still use modern signal processing to make 
> human connections more achievable.? WSJT-X just doesn't happen to be 
> that at this point, but that doesn't mean something else couldn't be.
> 
> Dave?? AB7E
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/13/2020 12:41 AM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote:
>> For me, it's simple.
>>
>> When I make a CW contact, even if its total content is "ENN TU", I am 
>> connected to history, to Jack Phillips on the Titanic, to all of the 
>> military traffic men and airborne radio operators of WWII, to the 
>> operators on the merchant ships on the high seas and the Great Lakes, 
>> and to all the hams of the past, even Mr. Marconi, the first ham.
>>
>> I like hearing the propagation change with my own ears and struggling 
>> to capture an ESP-level call. I like the feel of the key and the sound 
>> of the code. I like the idea that there is another person like me at 
>> the other end with his or her hand on a key.
>>
>> I consider myself extremely lucky to have caught the bug at a young 
>> age and developed the skill needed to make CW as transparent to me as 
>> my mother tongue. I see how hard it is for those who begin to learn at 
>> middle age or older. They shouldn't give up -- it's worth it.
>>
>> 73,
>> Victor, 4X6GP
>> Rehovot, Israel
>> Formerly K2VCO
>> CWops no. 5
>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>> .
>> On 13/07/2020 5:06, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 12, 2020, at 6:57 PM, David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Think of it this way ... CW works fine as both a contest mode,
>>>> DXing mode, and conversational mode.? Underlaying CW with a well
>>>> configured digital signal processing scheme like that which is
>>>> under FT8, except with a different user interface than either
>>>> WSJT-X or JS8,? could be equally versatile but with maybe 6-8 db
>>>> better S/N ... possibly by an even greater margin if the decoding
>>>> allowed errors instead of being all or nothing.
>>>
>>>
>>> Except that (a) you don't have to know CW, and (b) you don't need a
>>> key. There goes 73% of its charm :)
>>>
>>> Wayne N6KR
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Jul 13 05:01:10 2020
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 02:01:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
In-Reply-To: <b7e0d9cb-bda4-302c-a5a6-2046eac7534f@gmail.com>
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Two great posts, Dave.  Thanks!

73 Jim K9YC

On 7/13/2020 12:59 AM, David Gilbert wrote:
> Fine, but that demarcation is pretty arbitrary.? You could just as 
> easily go back to tube gear with crystal controlled transmitters and 
> regenerative receivers., but I'd be a lot of money you don't.? The gear 
> you operate compares little in form, fit or function to anything those 
> folks used back then.? Your current radio almost certainly has a lot of 
> digital signal processing already, and I'll bet you use a keyer instead 
> of a hand key.? Quite frankly, I can just as easily imagine somebody at 
> his keyboard on the other end as I could if he was operating a paddle. 
> Most DXing and almost all contesting is already somebody simply pounding 
> on a function key on a keyboard.
> 
> And like I said before, it is entirely possible to preserve the bulk of 
> everything you mention and still use modern signal processing to make 
> human connections more achievable.? WSJT-X just doesn't happen to be 
> that at this point, but that doesn't mean something else couldn't be.
> 
> Dave?? AB7E
> 
> 
> 


From nelasat at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 13 08:11:19 2020
From: nelasat at yahoo.com (Keith Ennis)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 12:11:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital Display Unit for the Elecraft KPA500
References: <1093586548.531076.1594642279198.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1093586548.531076.1594642279198@mail.yahoo.com>

Keith Ennis (KV5J) is proud to introduce the second in his line of Digital Display Units.??The Digital Display Unit for Elecraft's KPA500.?For the Elecraft KPA500 I have designed a compact, easy to read Digital Display Unit (DDU). It allows the monitoring of five crucial readings all at the same time.?1. Power amplifier's heat sink temperature2. Power amplifier's high voltage supply voltage3. Power amplifier's current4. Power amplifier's output power5. SWR that the KPA500 sees at its output??The DDU measures only 4X4X2 with an easy to read 2 line display that can be located at the operating position and the KPA500 located up to 10 feet away.?The DDU is designed with the following features:?Easy to read 2 line displayNo USB or serial cable to computerNo com port in Windows to manageNo computer neededPlug and PlaySimply connect the supplied DC power cable to power supply and PC data jumper cable to the KPA500Retains all functions of the KPA500 front panelAll displayed info obtained directly from the KPA500?The DDU will poll the KPA500 and display PA voltage and PA temperature during receive and transmit cycles. It will add watts, SWR and current during transmit. There is a built in hold time to keep the watts and SWR displayed for a short amount of time after unkeying the amp.?For more information about the DDU visit:? ?WWW.KV5J.COM


Keith,KV5J

From n0nb at n0nb.us  Mon Jul 13 08:22:22 2020
From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 07:22:22 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
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* On 2020 13 Jul 02:47 -0500, David Gilbert wrote:
> 
> No, those other posts didn't say that.

Perhaps not directly.  Preferences can always be strongly implied.

I think it is inarguable that years back ARRL publications had a bias
toward antennas that favored DX.  DX is fine and perhaps that did keep
more Novices in the ranks than would have otherwise stayed due to poor
antennas.  However, a low dipole antenna for the low bands was often
derided as a "cloud warmer" without mention of why such an antenna might
be useful.

Perhaps it was the steady diet of Kurt N. Sterba in the now discontinued
World Radio magazine as a Novice and Tech in the mid-80s that taught me
that a low antenna on the low HF bands had a valuable use.  I proved
this to myself right at 35 years ago when I became active on the Novice
bands and wanted to work the Kansas Slow Speed CW Net (QKS-SS).  The
vertical I had due to previously being convinced that I needed a DX
antenna worked miserably for such close-in work as checking into a
section net.  I strung up a dipole that was almost too low and I was
rewarded with very strong signals from within a few hundred miles on
80m.  Working the section net was easy with that antenna.

It wasn't until the quasi-military term Near Vertical Incident Skywave
(NVIS) entered the amateur radio vernacular in the early '90s that
"cloud warmers" became acceptable in literature printed in Newington.
Denizens of low band section nets knew the secret decades before.

Why do I use a K3 when over 90% of my operating time is spent on 75m
nets these days?  The QRM fighting features such as high and low cut
with appropriate filtering and something about its receiver where I
don't experience the fading other operators using other radios mention
frequently.  Perhaps it is my low doublet antenna that is overall a 3/4
wave on 75/80m that helps.

> I don't know why some hams insist on fabricating controversy where there is
> none.? It seems like the bulk of our American society is determined to be as
> tribal as possible.? Sorry times we live in.

There is a reason for that which is not apropos for this list.  Suffice
it to say that this has been the case for nearly the entirety of the
existence of amateur radio and likely in other endeavors for centuries.
A look at QST from the earliest decades show a bias toward traffic
handling and as the shortwave spectrum was discovered slowly turned
toward DXing.  In later decades Emmcomm has assumed a greater stature
while paradoxically traffic handling has almost been forgotten.

Fact is that people will always have a bias toward their own interests.

73, Nate

-- 

"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."

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From nelasat at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 13 08:58:49 2020
From: nelasat at yahoo.com (Keith Ennis)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 12:58:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital Display Unit for the Elecraft KPA500
In-Reply-To: <1093586548.531076.1594642279198@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1093586548.531076.1594642279198.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1093586548.531076.1594642279198@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <559808724.540435.1594645129898@mail.yahoo.com>

I am not sure why my formatting got stripped out. I will try again.?Keith Ennis (KV5J) is proud to introduce the second in his line of Digital Display Units.??The Digital Display Unit for Elecraft's KPA500.?For the Elecraft KPA500 I have designed a compact, easy to read Digital Display Unit (DDU). It allows the monitoring of five crucial readings all at the same time.?1. Power amplifier's heat sink temperature2. Power amplifier's high voltage supply voltage3. Power amplifier's current4. Power amplifier's output power5. SWR that the KPA500 sees at its output??The DDU measures only 4X4X2 with an easy to read 2 line display that can be located at the operating position and the KPA500 located up to 10 feet away.?The DDU is designed with the following features:?Easy to read 2 line displayNo USB or serial cable to computerNo com port in Windows to manageNo computer neededPlug and PlaySimply connect the supplied DC power cable to power supply and PC data jumper cable to the KPA500Retains all functions of the KPA500 front panelAll displayed info obtained directly from the KPA500?The DDU will poll the KPA500 and display PA voltage and PA temperature during receive and transmit cycles. It will add watts, SWR and current during transmit. There is a built in hold time to keep the watts and SWR displayed for a short amount of time after unkeying the amp.?For more information about the DDU visit:? ?WWW.KV5J.COM


Keith,KV5J

 

    On Monday, July 13, 2020, 07:11:19 AM CDT, Keith Ennis <nelasat at yahoo.com> wrote:  
 
 Keith Ennis (KV5J) is proud to introduce the second in his line of Digital Display Units.??The Digital Display Unit for Elecraft's KPA500.?For the Elecraft KPA500 I have designed a compact, easy to read Digital Display Unit (DDU). It allows the monitoring of five crucial readings all at the same time.?1. Power amplifier's heat sink temperature2. Power amplifier's high voltage supply voltage3. Power amplifier's current4. Power amplifier's output power5. SWR that the KPA500 sees at its output??The DDU measures only 4X4X2 with an easy to read 2 line display that can be located at the operating position and the KPA500 located up to 10 feet away.?The DDU is designed with the following features:?Easy to read 2 line displayNo USB or serial cable to computerNo com port in Windows to manageNo computer neededPlug and PlaySimply connect the supplied DC power cable to power supply and PC data jumper cable to the KPA500Retains all functions of the KPA500 front panelAll displayed info obtained directly from the KPA500?The DDU will poll the KPA500 and display PA voltage and PA temperature during receive and transmit cycles. It will add watts, SWR and current during transmit. There is a built in hold time to keep the watts and SWR displayed for a short amount of time after unkeying the amp.?For more information about the DDU visit:? ?WWW.KV5J.COM


Keith,KV5J  

From macymonkeys at charter.net  Mon Jul 13 09:22:50 2020
From: macymonkeys at charter.net (Macy monkeys)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 06:22:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital Display Unit for the Elecraft KPA500
In-Reply-To: <559808724.540435.1594645129898@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1093586548.531076.1594642279198.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1093586548.531076.1594642279198@mail.yahoo.com>
	<559808724.540435.1594645129898@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D229052B-7316-466D-BFDA-5C50FA389295@charter.net>


With any USPS luck I will be taking delivery of mine today unless delayed. Will report to the forum how I like it...

John K7FD

> On Jul 13, 2020, at 5:58 AM, Keith Ennis via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> I am not sure why my formatting got stripped out. I will try again. Keith Ennis (KV5J) is proud to introduce the second in his line of Digital Display Units.  The Digital Display Unit for Elecraft's KPA500. For the Elecraft KPA500 I have designed a compact, easy to read Digital Display Unit (DDU). It allows the monitoring of five crucial readings all at the same time. 1. Power amplifier's heat sink temperature2. Power amplifier's high voltage supply voltage3. Power amplifier's current4. Power amplifier's output power5. SWR that the KPA500 sees at its output  The DDU measures only 4X4X2 with an easy to read 2 line display that can be located at the operating position and the KPA500 located up to 10 feet away. The DDU is designed with the following features: Easy to read 2 line displayNo USB or serial cable to computerNo com port in Windows to manageNo computer neededPlug and PlaySimply connect the supplied DC power cable to power supply and PC data jumper cable to the KPA500Retains all functions of the KPA500 front panelAll displayed info obtained directly from the KPA500 The DDU will poll the KPA500 and display PA voltage and PA temperature during receive and transmit cycles. It will add watts, SWR and current during transmit. There is a built in hold time to keep the watts and SWR displayed for a short amount of time after unkeying the amp. For more information about the DDU visit:   WWW.KV5J.COM
> 
> 
> Keith,KV5J
> 
> 
> 
>    On Monday, July 13, 2020, 07:11:19 AM CDT, Keith Ennis <nelasat at yahoo.com> wrote:  
> 
> Keith Ennis (KV5J) is proud to introduce the second in his line of Digital Display Units.  The Digital Display Unit for Elecraft's KPA500. For the Elecraft KPA500 I have designed a compact, easy to read Digital Display Unit (DDU). It allows the monitoring of five crucial readings all at the same time. 1. Power amplifier's heat sink temperature2. Power amplifier's high voltage supply voltage3. Power amplifier's current4. Power amplifier's output power5. SWR that the KPA500 sees at its output  The DDU measures only 4X4X2 with an easy to read 2 line display that can be located at the operating position and the KPA500 located up to 10 feet away. The DDU is designed with the following features: Easy to read 2 line displayNo USB or serial cable to computerNo com port in Windows to manageNo computer neededPlug and PlaySimply connect the supplied DC power cable to power supply and PC data jumper cable to the KPA500Retains all functions of the KPA500 front panelAll displayed info obtained directly from the KPA500 The DDU will poll the KPA500 and display PA voltage and PA temperature during receive and transmit cycles. It will add watts, SWR and current during transmit. There is a built in hold time to keep the watts and SWR displayed for a short amount of time after unkeying the amp. For more information about the DDU visit:   WWW.KV5J.COM
> 
> 
> Keith,KV5J  
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From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Mon Jul 13 10:15:10 2020
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 09:15:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
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Dave -

The current release of JS8Call (v. 2.2.0) bears little resemblance to versions a year or more back.  I think the many changes since then have made it much less "rigid" and much more useful.

In addition to plain old everyday ragchewing for example, it has the capability to auto-relay messages, store and forward messages, send to designated groups, interface with APRS and SMS messaging, etc.  All functions that are not even remotely possible with FT8 or CW, for that matter.  And do so at multiple speed levels that extend up into the 20+ wpm realm.  All this can be done normally at very low power levels.

73
Lyn, W0LEN
 

-----Original Message-----
From: David Gilbert [mailto:ab7echo at gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 8:57 PM
To: Lyn at LNAINC.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"



Not quite.  I'm aware of JS8 and tried it more than a year ago, but it 
still has much of the rigidity of the WSJT-X user interface and isn't as 
basic as I think would be desirable.

Think of it this way ... CW works fine as both a contest mode, DXing 
mode, and conversational mode.  Underlaying CW with a well configured 
digital signal processing scheme like that which is under FT8, except 
with a different user interface than either WSJT-X or JS8,  could be 
equally versatile but with maybe 6-8 db better S/N ... possibly by an 
even greater margin if the decoding allowed errors instead of being all 
or nothing.

I'm not saying text-to-CW is the only way to reap the benefit of modern 
digital signal processing ... only using it as an example.

People only interested in a contact will probably always prefer 
WSJT-X/FT8 because it does that very well, but both contesting and rag 
chewing could really use a different (simpler) structure while still 
utilizing the superior weak signal peformance of modern digital signal 
processing.  I guarantee that it is possible to do so.

73,
Dave   AB7E


On 7/12/2020 6:18 PM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
> Enter JS8Call.
>
> All the technology of FT8, plus all of the conversationality of CW, RTTY and SSB rolled into one.
>
> If you haven't tried it, you really should.  It's developer, Jordan Sherer (KN4CRD) has done a terrific job with it and I am honored to have been a part of the beta team almost since day one.
>
> http://js8call.com/
>
> 73
> Lyn, W0LEN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Gilbert
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 7:40 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
>
>
> Well, the fact is that the coding and processing behind modes like FT8
> doesn't have to be as rigid as is implemented in WSJT-X.  It only
> requires that information be sent and received in time frames, and those
> time frames are simply a function of three variables ... bandwidth,
> rate, and number of characters in the message frame.  It would be
> possible to change any of those, such as widening the bandwidth to
> increase the number of characters for the same time frame.
>
> It would also be possible to send text but have it converted to CW on
> the other end.  Or even to key CW that gets converted to text before
> transmission ... i.e., CW to CW except with significantly better S/N
> performance.  If the user was willing to live with a narrow bandwidth
> single conversation format, clock synchronization isn't even really
> needed.   And if we were willing to live with a single conversation
> format, there would be no point in cramming everyone into 2.4 KHz and we
> could spread out like we do for every other mode.
>
> I'm no expert, but I think that the coding could have enough error
> checking to allow busted message frames to be printed (or converted to
> CW) ... although of course with errors.  The extra error processing
> would reduce the character count, though, all other things being equal.
>
> The point is that the digital signal processing behind FT8 is extremely
> powerful and could be adapted to other user formats with a lot more
> flexibility than we have with FT8.  The hams who just dismiss FT8 out of
> hand really don't understand the broader weak signal applicability of it.
>
> 73,
> Dave   AB7E
>
>
>
> On 7/12/2020 4:53 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
>> Yeah, great, reliable at or below the noise floor, but if all you're
>> doing is meeting the somewhat arbitrary minimum that defines a QSO,
>> what's the point?
>>
>> I mean seriously, can you even ask about the weather?  Just say "hi?"
>>
>> Meh.
>>
>> I'm fine with typing, but I want a real live person typing back, and
>> if we can type back and forth for an hour, that's great.
>>
>> 73 -- Lynn
>>
>> On 7/12/20 2:33 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>> The argument for digital modes like FT8 is that they're reliable at
>>> or below the noise floor, making it possible to work lots of DX even
>>> if solar conditions are very poor. Simplicity of protocol is a side
>>> effect of this design.
>> _________________



From pubx1 at af2z.net  Mon Jul 13 10:57:04 2020
From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 10:57:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
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	<3902dd27-a339-e35a-2ea7-e40bec8e7d3f@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<3c96aeb7-3cd2-d3ca-eb15-f492e8a1cf55@gmail.com>
	<002601d658b3$7fd19440$7f74bcc0$@LNAINC.com>
	<6f2e3f36-c296-df76-cd0e-713977da295b@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <76f98e96-3505-06b2-8bd9-1fd3f22cf432@af2z.net>

Please- *nobody* is asking JT to save CW by giving us an extra 6-8 dB 
SNR. I hope that is not the next Goldilocks mode in the pipeline. I 
assume proponents of such a cobbled up "user interface" would feel 
perfectly justified in "sharing" even more CW frequency space? No thanks.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 07/12/20 20:57, David Gilbert wrote:
> 
> 
> Not quite.? I'm aware of JS8 and tried it more than a year ago, but it 
> still has much of the rigidity of the WSJT-X user interface and isn't as 
> basic as I think would be desirable.
> 
> Think of it this way ... CW works fine as both a contest mode, DXing 
> mode, and conversational mode.? Underlaying CW with a well configured 
> digital signal processing scheme like that which is under FT8, except 
> with a different user interface than either WSJT-X or JS8,? could be 
> equally versatile but with maybe 6-8 db better S/N ... possibly by an 
> even greater margin if the decoding allowed errors instead of being all 
> or nothing.
> 
> I'm not saying text-to-CW is the only way to reap the benefit of modern 
> digital signal processing ... only using it as an example.
> 
> People only interested in a contact will probably always prefer 
> WSJT-X/FT8 because it does that very well, but both contesting and rag 
> chewing could really use a different (simpler) structure while still 
> utilizing the superior weak signal peformance of modern digital signal 
> processing.? I guarantee that it is possible to do so.
> 
> 73,
> Dave?? AB7E
> 
> 
> On 7/12/2020 6:18 PM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
>> Enter JS8Call.
>>
>> All the technology of FT8, plus all of the conversationality of CW, 
>> RTTY and SSB rolled into one.
>>
>> If you haven't tried it, you really should.? It's developer, Jordan 
>> Sherer (KN4CRD) has done a terrific job with it and I am honored to 
>> have been a part of the beta team almost since day one.
>>
>> http://js8call.com/
>>
>> 73
>> Lyn, W0LEN
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
>> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Gilbert
>> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 7:40 PM
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
>>
>>
>> Well, the fact is that the coding and processing behind modes like FT8
>> doesn't have to be as rigid as is implemented in WSJT-X.? It only
>> requires that information be sent and received in time frames, and those
>> time frames are simply a function of three variables ... bandwidth,
>> rate, and number of characters in the message frame.? It would be
>> possible to change any of those, such as widening the bandwidth to
>> increase the number of characters for the same time frame.
>>
>> It would also be possible to send text but have it converted to CW on
>> the other end.? Or even to key CW that gets converted to text before
>> transmission ... i.e., CW to CW except with significantly better S/N
>> performance.? If the user was willing to live with a narrow bandwidth
>> single conversation format, clock synchronization isn't even really
>> needed.?? And if we were willing to live with a single conversation
>> format, there would be no point in cramming everyone into 2.4 KHz and we
>> could spread out like we do for every other mode.
>>
>> I'm no expert, but I think that the coding could have enough error
>> checking to allow busted message frames to be printed (or converted to
>> CW) ... although of course with errors.? The extra error processing
>> would reduce the character count, though, all other things being equal.
>>
>> The point is that the digital signal processing behind FT8 is extremely
>> powerful and could be adapted to other user formats with a lot more
>> flexibility than we have with FT8.? The hams who just dismiss FT8 out of
>> hand really don't understand the broader weak signal applicability of it.
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave?? AB7E
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/12/2020 4:53 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
>>> Yeah, great, reliable at or below the noise floor, but if all you're
>>> doing is meeting the somewhat arbitrary minimum that defines a QSO,
>>> what's the point?
>>>
>>> I mean seriously, can you even ask about the weather?? Just say "hi?"
>>>
>>> Meh.
>>>
>>> I'm fine with typing, but I want a real live person typing back, and
>>> if we can type back and forth for an hour, that's great.
>>>
>>> 73 -- Lynn
>>>
>>> On 7/12/20 2:33 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>>> The argument for digital modes like FT8 is that they're reliable at
>>>> or below the noise floor, making it possible to work lots of DX even
>>>> if solar conditions are very poor. Simplicity of protocol is a side
>>>> effect of this design.
>>> _________________
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From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Mon Jul 13 11:12:47 2020
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 15:12:47 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital Display Unit for the Elecraft KPA500
In-Reply-To: <D229052B-7316-466D-BFDA-5C50FA389295@charter.net>
References: <1093586548.531076.1594642279198.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1093586548.531076.1594642279198@mail.yahoo.com>
	<559808724.540435.1594645129898@mail.yahoo.com>,
	<D229052B-7316-466D-BFDA-5C50FA389295@charter.net>
Message-ID: <2D4363AF-6ECC-439A-9732-8E9297DB060D@illinois.edu>

It would be handy if it repeated the rs232 so you could leave the computer hooked up for the utility.

Chuck Jack Hawley 
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On Jul 13, 2020, at 8:23 AM, Macy monkeys <macymonkeys at charter.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> With any USPS luck I will be taking delivery of mine today unless delayed. Will report to the forum how I like it...
> 
> John K7FD
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2020, at 5:58 AM, Keith Ennis via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I am not sure why my formatting got stripped out. I will try again. Keith Ennis (KV5J) is proud to introduce the second in his line of Digital Display Units.  The Digital Display Unit for Elecraft's KPA500. For the Elecraft KPA500 I have designed a compact, easy to read Digital Display Unit (DDU). It allows the monitoring of five crucial readings all at the same time. 1. Power amplifier's heat sink temperature2. Power amplifier's high voltage supply voltage3. Power amplifier's current4. Power amplifier's output power5. SWR that the KPA500 sees at its output  The DDU measures only 4X4X2 with an easy to read 2 line display that can be located at the operating position and the KPA500 located up to 10 feet away. The DDU is designed with the following features: Easy to read 2 line displayNo USB or serial cable to computerNo com port in Windows to manageNo computer neededPlug and PlaySimply connect the supplied DC power cable to power supply and PC data jumper cable to the KPA500
> Retains all functions of the KPA500 front panelAll displayed info obtained directly from the KPA500 The DDU will poll the KPA500 and display PA voltage and PA temperature during receive and transmit cycles. It will add watts, SWR and current during transmit. There is a built in hold time to keep the watts and SWR displayed for a short amount of time after unkeying the amp. For more information about the DDU visit:   WWW.KV5J.COM
>> 
>> 
>> Keith,KV5J
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   On Monday, July 13, 2020, 07:11:19 AM CDT, Keith Ennis <nelasat at yahoo.com> wrote:  
>> 
>> Keith Ennis (KV5J) is proud to introduce the second in his line of Digital Display Units.  The Digital Display Unit for Elecraft's KPA500. For the Elecraft KPA500 I have designed a compact, easy to read Digital Display Unit (DDU). It allows the monitoring of five crucial readings all at the same time. 1. Power amplifier's heat sink temperature2. Power amplifier's high voltage supply voltage3. Power amplifier's current4. Power amplifier's output power5. SWR that the KPA500 sees at its output  The DDU measures only 4X4X2 with an easy to read 2 line display that can be located at the operating position and the KPA500 located up to 10 feet away. The DDU is designed with the following features: Easy to read 2 line displayNo USB or serial cable to computerNo com port in Windows to manageNo computer neededPlug and PlaySimply connect the supplied DC power cable to power supply and PC data jumper cable to the KPA500Retains all functions of the KPA500 front panelAll displayed info ob
> tained directly from the KPA500 The DDU will poll the KPA500 and display PA voltage and PA temperature during receive and transmit cycles. It will add watts, SWR and current during transmit. There is a built in hold time to keep the watts and SWR displayed for a short amount of time after unkeying the amp. For more information about the DDU visit:   WWW.KV5J.COM
>> 
>> 
>> Keith,KV5J  
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From a.durbin at msn.com  Mon Jul 13 11:23:54 2020
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 15:23:54 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital Display Unit for the Elecraft KPA500
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB29689D48A63F23A8920EEA298C600@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"It would be handy if it repeated the rs232 so you could leave the computer hooked up for the utility."

I doubt any design change would be required.  The display device would simply have its TX line disconnected and it would listen to KPA500 responses to utility polling.   In my system that's done with a multiplexing relay so it can be used with or without the utility with no cable re-configuration.

In my opinion the parameters that are useful when monitoring a KPA500 are PA dissipation and PA efficiency.  This device displays neither.

Andy, k3wyc

From g8kbvdave at googlemail.com  Sat Jul 11 16:06:28 2020
From: g8kbvdave at googlemail.com (Dave B)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 21:06:28 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power out
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3457.1594496459.3115.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.3457.1594496459.3115.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <2f449c65-5c17-c2da-6c88-058792c64eca@googlemail.com>

Hi.

I would not trust a Bird 43 or similar meter for any "Measurements"
whatsoever.

Especially if you cannot prove that the slugs and meter body were
calibrated together.

They are notoriously inaccurate, but are good for quick "power presence"
indications, and "ball bark" VSWR checks.

I honestly do not know why Bird 43's etc, are so coveted by the ham
community, they are awful things for making measurements..

Note that the difference between 8W and 15W, is a bit less than 3dB.
(2.73dB, or less than half an 'S' point!)

And for 3 and 2.5W it's 0.79dB? (Less than 1dB is not bad.)

Also, how good is the MFJ load at VHF, VSWR wise.? The spec says 1.5:1
above 30MHz.? What did the radio say about that?

73.

Dave G0WBX (Who's spent the last 30+ years working with QRO RF for a
living.? kHz to 10's of GHz, and many 10's of kW's.)


On 11/07/2020 20:40, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> From: Frank O'Donnell <vfo77 at inkbox.net>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power out
> Message-ID: <07eb80bf-c36b-e2f8-b4f8-52144e84b09c at inkbox.net>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> After a fair time of non-use, today I got out my KX3 and started working 
> through configuration checklists. Among other things I thought I'd check 
> the power out.
>
> For this test I used a Bird 43 and MFJ-260C dummy load. For HF I used a 
> Bird 2-30 MHz 25w element, and for 2m a 100-250 MHz 10w element. I put 
> the KX3 in CW mode and keyed with the KXPD3 paddle. When changing to 
> each HF band I hit the ATU Tune button.
>
> On 40m and 20m I found that with the Pwr knob set to 15w, the Bird 
> showed about 8w out. With the Pwr knob set to 5w, the power out is about 3w.
>
> After changing the antenna port and Bird element, on 2m with the radio 
> set to 3w the Bird shows about 2.5w out.
>
> Any thoughts on these results, or suggestions on other things to check?
>
> Thanks and 73,
>
> Frank K6FOD

-- 
Created on and sent from a Unix like PC running and using free and open source software:


From pincon at erols.com  Mon Jul 13 06:55:19 2020
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 06:55:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FW:  "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
References: <4A64FD15-0130-4891-8897-33F482A9239F@elecraft.com>
	<r480Ps-10146i-F69610F029A4497891E4D2CFBAAC88B7@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <000e01d65904$1dd92680$598b7380$@erols.com>


Yep, I've made some FT-8 contacts. 
It was about as much fun as watching grass grow !
No thanks.
I'm NOT a big CW guy either, but I can do it if I need to.

73, Charlie k3ICH

 


From edauer at law.du.edu  Mon Jul 13 11:39:01 2020
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 15:39:01 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs
Message-ID: <SN6PR06MB446383653CAF74F57CE8B708E7600@SN6PR06MB4463.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>

I agree fully with Victor; though the difference may be even simpler:  

Making a QSO using CW is a ham doing something with a radio.  Making a QSO with FT8 is a radio doing something for a ham.

Neither is better or worse; but they are different.

Ted, KN1CBR

------------------------------

Message: 8
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 10:41:41 +0300
From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The
	Stairs"
Message-ID: <3ac27805-0645-14c9-582f-601efd94c278 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

For me, it's simple.

When I make a CW contact, even if its total content is "ENN TU", I am 
connected to history, to Jack Phillips on the Titanic, to all of the 
military traffic men and airborne radio operators of WWII, to the 
operators on the merchant ships on the high seas and the Great Lakes, 
and to all the hams of the past, even Mr. Marconi, the first ham.

I like hearing the propagation change with my own ears and struggling to 
capture an ESP-level call. I like the feel of the key and the sound of 
the code. I like the idea that there is another person like me at the 
other end with his or her hand on a key.

I consider myself extremely lucky to have caught the bug at a young age 
and developed the skill needed to make CW as transparent to me as my 
mother tongue. I see how hard it is for those who begin to learn at 
middle age or older. They shouldn't give up -- it's worth it.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5
https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/__;!!NCZxaNi9jForCP_SxBKJCA!F4lkQrp7vnWsJyPT-T7iUPs1Sk1a79YI92FbY7WOC4FPuQvWxE1lsChUamJuUgiP$ 
.

From a.durbin at msn.com  Mon Jul 13 11:39:12 2020
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 15:39:12 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB2968351942ACC85C66EB15098C600@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"Yep, I've made some FT-8 contacts. It was about as much fun as watching grass grow !"

Each to his own of course but, for me, the pleasure of making a contact has almost nothing to do with the mode used and almost everything to do with how much I wanted to contact that station.  I say "almost" because I still enjoy CW more than other modes.

How many would refuse to work Bouvet if FT8 is the only mode they choose to use when/if it is activated?

Andy, k3wyc

From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Mon Jul 13 11:40:22 2020
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 10:40:22 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
In-Reply-To: <76f98e96-3505-06b2-8bd9-1fd3f22cf432@af2z.net>
References: <CA+6T3FuwMAFgyfs-q_enHh70krtwbFvMShh0E9+Kj_SetdzKRg@mail.gmail.com>	<CACHwrmNhJsKv7vc70kQy9ws-HuA+k6sn+L960LG8KhR7LZhDig@mail.gmail.com>	<B7A96380-7C19-4282-9A04-84FF01F085A0@elecraft.com>	<3902dd27-a339-e35a-2ea7-e40bec8e7d3f@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>	<3c96aeb7-3cd2-d3ca-eb15-f492e8a1cf55@gmail.com>	<002601d658b3$7fd19440$7f74bcc0$@LNAINC.com>	<6f2e3f36-c296-df76-cd0e-713977da295b@gmail.com>
	<76f98e96-3505-06b2-8bd9-1fd3f22cf432@af2z.net>
Message-ID: <015501d6592b$ec2ce7c0$c486b740$@LNAINC.com>

That's one of the great things about Amateur Radio.  There is literally something for everyone.

73
Lyn, W0LEN


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Drew AF2Z
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 9:57 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"

Please- *nobody* is asking JT to save CW by giving us an extra 6-8 dB 
SNR. I hope that is not the next Goldilocks mode in the pipeline. I 
assume proponents of such a cobbled up "user interface" would feel 
perfectly justified in "sharing" even more CW frequency space? No thanks.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 07/12/20 20:57, David Gilbert wrote:
> 
> 
> Not quite.  I'm aware of JS8 and tried it more than a year ago, but it 
> still has much of the rigidity of the WSJT-X user interface and isn't as 
> basic as I think would be desirable.
> 
> Think of it this way ... CW works fine as both a contest mode, DXing 
> mode, and conversational mode.  Underlaying CW with a well configured 
> digital signal processing scheme like that which is under FT8, except 
> with a different user interface than either WSJT-X or JS8,  could be 
> equally versatile but with maybe 6-8 db better S/N ... possibly by an 
> even greater margin if the decoding allowed errors instead of being all 
> or nothing.
> 
> I'm not saying text-to-CW is the only way to reap the benefit of modern 
> digital signal processing ... only using it as an example.
> 
> People only interested in a contact will probably always prefer 
> WSJT-X/FT8 because it does that very well, but both contesting and rag 
> chewing could really use a different (simpler) structure while still 
> utilizing the superior weak signal peformance of modern digital signal 
> processing.  I guarantee that it is possible to do so.
> 
> 73,
> Dave   AB7E
> 
> 
> On 7/12/2020 6:18 PM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
>> Enter JS8Call.
>>
>> All the technology of FT8, plus all of the conversationality of CW, 
>> RTTY and SSB rolled into one.
>>
>> If you haven't tried it, you really should.  It's developer, Jordan 
>> Sherer (KN4CRD) has done a terrific job with it and I am honored to 
>> have been a part of the beta team almost since day one.
>>
>> http://js8call.com/
>>
>> 73
>> Lyn, W0LEN
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
>> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Gilbert
>> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 7:40 PM
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
>>
>>
>> Well, the fact is that the coding and processing behind modes like FT8
>> doesn't have to be as rigid as is implemented in WSJT-X.  It only
>> requires that information be sent and received in time frames, and those
>> time frames are simply a function of three variables ... bandwidth,
>> rate, and number of characters in the message frame.  It would be
>> possible to change any of those, such as widening the bandwidth to
>> increase the number of characters for the same time frame.
>>
>> It would also be possible to send text but have it converted to CW on
>> the other end.  Or even to key CW that gets converted to text before
>> transmission ... i.e., CW to CW except with significantly better S/N
>> performance.  If the user was willing to live with a narrow bandwidth
>> single conversation format, clock synchronization isn't even really
>> needed.   And if we were willing to live with a single conversation
>> format, there would be no point in cramming everyone into 2.4 KHz and we
>> could spread out like we do for every other mode.
>>
>> I'm no expert, but I think that the coding could have enough error
>> checking to allow busted message frames to be printed (or converted to
>> CW) ... although of course with errors.  The extra error processing
>> would reduce the character count, though, all other things being equal.
>>
>> The point is that the digital signal processing behind FT8 is extremely
>> powerful and could be adapted to other user formats with a lot more
>> flexibility than we have with FT8.  The hams who just dismiss FT8 out of
>> hand really don't understand the broader weak signal applicability of it.
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave   AB7E
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/12/2020 4:53 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
>>> Yeah, great, reliable at or below the noise floor, but if all you're
>>> doing is meeting the somewhat arbitrary minimum that defines a QSO,
>>> what's the point?
>>>
>>> I mean seriously, can you even ask about the weather?  Just say "hi?"
>>>
>>> Meh.
>>>
>>> I'm fine with typing, but I want a real live person typing back, and
>>> if we can type back and forth for an hour, that's great.
>>>
>>> 73 -- Lynn
>>>
>>> On 7/12/20 2:33 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>>> The argument for digital modes like FT8 is that they're reliable at
>>>> or below the noise floor, making it possible to work lots of DX even
>>>> if solar conditions are very poor. Simplicity of protocol is a side
>>>> effect of this design.


From cyaffey at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 11:48:26 2020
From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 11:48:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB2968351942ACC85C66EB15098C600@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB2968351942ACC85C66EB15098C600@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <F39B0019-DDFD-40D8-9BD8-A9D2516FD8FA@gmail.com>

My two cents: FT8 is a bit more than using a computer to make contacts. Believe it or not, there is skill involved. Just try working a DX station when a load of others are trying. Can you say ?pile up?? It ain?t simple. 

> On Jul 13, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> "Yep, I've made some FT-8 contacts. It was about as much fun as watching grass grow !"
> 
> 

Carl Yaffey  K8NU
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From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Mon Jul 13 12:09:15 2020
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 16:09:15 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power out
In-Reply-To: <2f449c65-5c17-c2da-6c88-058792c64eca@googlemail.com>
References: <mailman.3457.1594496459.3115.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>,
	<2f449c65-5c17-c2da-6c88-058792c64eca@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <1799D55B-769F-4B72-B608-D0888FA60E4B@illinois.edu>

I believe the calibration is under the label on top of the slug. I would guess if you had knowledge of a source of RF that would deflect the meter accurately mid scale given the slug you were calibrating, then that would be the best you could do. 

Not it matters for most ham radio use...fairly accurate repeatability is probably a much more valuable test result.

Chuck KE9UW
c-hawley at illinois.edu

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> On Jul 13, 2020, at 10:30 AM, Dave B via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi.
> 
> I would not trust a Bird 43 or similar meter for any "Measurements"
> whatsoever.
> 
> Especially if you cannot prove that the slugs and meter body were
> calibrated together.
> 
> They are notoriously inaccurate, but are good for quick "power presence"
> indications, and "ball bark" VSWR checks.
> 
> I honestly do not know why Bird 43's etc, are so coveted by the ham
> community, they are awful things for making measurements..
> 
> Note that the difference between 8W and 15W, is a bit less than 3dB.
> (2.73dB, or less than half an 'S' point!)
> 
> And for 3 and 2.5W it's 0.79dB  (Less than 1dB is not bad.)
> 
> Also, how good is the MFJ load at VHF, VSWR wise.  The spec says 1.5:1
> above 30MHz.  What did the radio say about that?
> 
> 73.
> 
> Dave G0WBX (Who's spent the last 30+ years working with QRO RF for a
> living.  kHz to 10's of GHz, and many 10's of kW's.)
> 
> 
>> On 11/07/2020 20:40, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
>> From: Frank O'Donnell <vfo77 at inkbox.net>
>> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power out
>> Message-ID: <07eb80bf-c36b-e2f8-b4f8-52144e84b09c at inkbox.net>
>> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>> 
>> After a fair time of non-use, today I got out my KX3 and started working 
>> through configuration checklists. Among other things I thought I'd check 
>> the power out.
>> 
>> For this test I used a Bird 43 and MFJ-260C dummy load. For HF I used a 
>> Bird 2-30 MHz 25w element, and for 2m a 100-250 MHz 10w element. I put 
>> the KX3 in CW mode and keyed with the KXPD3 paddle. When changing to 
>> each HF band I hit the ATU Tune button.
>> 
>> On 40m and 20m I found that with the Pwr knob set to 15w, the Bird 
>> showed about 8w out. With the Pwr knob set to 5w, the power out is about 3w.
>> 
>> After changing the antenna port and Bird element, on 2m with the radio 
>> set to 3w the Bird shows about 2.5w out.
>> 
>> Any thoughts on these results, or suggestions on other things to check?
>> 
>> Thanks and 73,
>> 
>> Frank K6FOD
> 
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From bhtoub at juno.com  Mon Jul 13 12:24:23 2020
From: bhtoub at juno.com (bhtoub at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 12:24:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: Re:  FT8 - was "On Second Thought,
	I'll Take The Stairs"
Message-ID: <AABRS3CZSARCYEM2@smtpout03.vgs.untd.com>


Has anyone tried TeamViewer using the mode FT8? Was in QST a couple
months ago. Just another facet of this great hobby. 

73,
Brian K1DIH


That's one of the great things about Amateur Radio.  There is literally
something for everyone.

73
Lyn, W0LEN


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Drew AF2Z
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 9:57 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The
Stairs"

Please- *nobody* is asking JT to save CW by giving us an extra 6-8 dB 
SNR. I hope that is not the next Goldilocks mode in the pipeline. I 
assume proponents of such a cobbled up "user interface" would feel 
perfectly justified in "sharing" even more CW frequency space? No thanks.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 07/12/20 20:57, David Gilbert wrote:
> 
> 
> Not quite.  I'm aware of JS8 and tried it more than a year ago, but it 
> still has much of the rigidity of the WSJT-X user interface and isn't
as 
> basic as I think would be desirable.
> 
> Think of it this way ... CW works fine as both a contest mode, DXing 
> mode, and conversational mode.  Underlaying CW with a well configured 
> digital signal processing scheme like that which is under FT8, except 
> with a different user interface than either WSJT-X or JS8,  could be 
> equally versatile but with maybe 6-8 db better S/N ... possibly by an 
> even greater margin if the decoding allowed errors instead of being all

> or nothing.
> 
> I'm not saying text-to-CW is the only way to reap the benefit of modern

> digital signal processing ... only using it as an example.
> 
> People only interested in a contact will probably always prefer 
> WSJT-X/FT8 because it does that very well, but both contesting and rag 
> chewing could really use a different (simpler) structure while still 
> utilizing the superior weak signal peformance of modern digital signal 
> processing.  I guarantee that it is possible to do so.
> 
> 73,
> Dave   AB7E
> 
> 
> On 7/12/2020 6:18 PM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
>> Enter JS8Call.
>>
>> All the technology of FT8, plus all of the conversationality of CW, 
>> RTTY and SSB rolled into one.
>>
>> If you haven't tried it, you really should.  It's developer, Jordan 
>> Sherer (KN4CRD) has done a terrific job with it and I am honored to 
>> have been a part of the beta team almost since day one.
>>
>> http://js8call.com/
>>
>> 73
>> Lyn, W0LEN
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
>> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Gilbert
>> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 7:40 PM
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The
Stairs"
>>
>>
>> Well, the fact is that the coding and processing behind modes like FT8
>> doesn't have to be as rigid as is implemented in WSJT-X.  It only
>> requires that information be sent and received in time frames, and
those
>> time frames are simply a function of three variables ... bandwidth,
>> rate, and number of characters in the message frame.  It would be
>> possible to change any of those, such as widening the bandwidth to
>> increase the number of characters for the same time frame.
>>
>> It would also be possible to send text but have it converted to CW on
>> the other end.  Or even to key CW that gets converted to text before
>> transmission ... i.e., CW to CW except with significantly better S/N
>> performance.  If the user was willing to live with a narrow bandwidth
>> single conversation format, clock synchronization isn't even really
>> needed.   And if we were willing to live with a single conversation
>> format, there would be no point in cramming everyone into 2.4 KHz and
we
>> could spread out like we do for every other mode.
>>
>> I'm no expert, but I think that the coding could have enough error
>> checking to allow busted message frames to be printed (or converted to
>> CW) ... although of course with errors.  The extra error processing
>> would reduce the character count, though, all other things being
equal.
>>
>> The point is that the digital signal processing behind FT8 is
extremely
>> powerful and could be adapted to other user formats with a lot more
>> flexibility than we have with FT8.  The hams who just dismiss FT8 out
of
>> hand really don't understand the broader weak signal applicability of
it.
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave   AB7E
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/12/2020 4:53 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
>>> Yeah, great, reliable at or below the noise floor, but if all you're
>>> doing is meeting the somewhat arbitrary minimum that defines a QSO,
>>> what's the point?
>>>
>>> I mean seriously, can you even ask about the weather?  Just say "hi?"
>>>
>>> Meh.
>>>
>>> I'm fine with typing, but I want a real live person typing back, and
>>> if we can type back and forth for an hour, that's great.
>>>
>>> 73 -- Lynn
>>>
>>> On 7/12/20 2:33 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>>> The argument for digital modes like FT8 is that they're reliable at
>>>> or below the noise floor, making it possible to work lots of DX even
>>>> if solar conditions are very poor. Simplicity of protocol is a side
>>>> effect of this design.

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From david.n5dch at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 12:25:39 2020
From: david.n5dch at gmail.com (David Herring)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 10:25:39 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
In-Reply-To: <F39B0019-DDFD-40D8-9BD8-A9D2516FD8FA@gmail.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB2968351942ACC85C66EB15098C600@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<F39B0019-DDFD-40D8-9BD8-A9D2516FD8FA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7A48B173-58B1-40E5-844A-2EE91020A67A@gmail.com>

This is correct...there is skill and strategy involved with FT8. 

Sure, on a relatively empty band you can set and forget and let the software do all the work. Blindly call CQ and let others come find you. Yes, that could be construed as watching paint dry or grass growing.

How often does an empty band happen? For me, and the times I?m on, never.

Our little segment of FT8 is usually jammed from side to side with stations. At times it?s hard to get a word in edgewise. ;-)  (And don?t get me started on the ops who grossly over modulate, spill out and take up half of our space?)

If there?s a specific station you want to work, there is strategy and timing involved to increase your chances of making it into their decode window as a red line. It?s not rocket science, but it?s not Ronco Ron Popeil (?set it and forget it?) either. One can experiment with which window to start calling in, and moving the transmit point around, often to good effect.

I have only gradually become aware of the strategy and timing aspects of FT8 by using it a lot. Seeing what works and what doesn?t. And I?m still learning by doing.

I offer this only as point of consideration for those who may not have thought about it in this way. I?m not necessarily an FT8 evangelist. I love other aspects of the hobby as much or more. 

The beauty of this hobby is that you can take what you like and leave the rest for someone else.

73,
David - N5DCH



> On Jul 13, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Carl Yaffey <cyaffey at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My two cents: FT8 is a bit more than using a computer to make contacts. Believe it or not, there is skill involved. Just try working a DX station when a load of others are trying. Can you say ?pile up?? It ain?t simple. 
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> "Yep, I've made some FT-8 contacts. It was about as much fun as watching grass grow !"
>> 
>> 
> 
> Carl Yaffey  K8NU
> 614 268 6353, Columbus OH
> http://www.carl-yaffey.com
> http://www.grassahol.com
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> http://www.timbrewolves.carl-yaffey.com
> http://www.folkramblers.carl-yaffey.com
> Http:www.clintonvillegrass.com
> 
> 
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From vetterestorer at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 12:30:30 2020
From: vetterestorer at gmail.com (DC)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 09:30:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: Re: FT8 - was "On Second Thought,
 I'll Take The Stairs"
In-Reply-To: <AABRS3CZSARCYEM2@smtpout03.vgs.untd.com>
References: <AABRS3CZSARCYEM2@smtpout03.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <e17facf3-8773-7321-3e69-d592b8367ffa@gmail.com>

I used to use it but it was a bit of a pain and they send you span 
everyday.? I now use Chrome Remote which works great for FT8. Very stable.

Richard

K6VV


On 7/13/2020 9:24 AM, bhtoub at juno.com wrote:
> Has anyone tried TeamViewer using the mode FT8? Was in QST a couple
> months ago. Just another facet of this great hobby.
>
> 73,
> Brian K1DIH
>
>
> That's one of the great things about Amateur Radio.  There is literally
> something for everyone.
>
> 73
> Lyn, W0LEN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Drew AF2Z
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 9:57 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The
> Stairs"
>
> Please- *nobody* is asking JT to save CW by giving us an extra 6-8 dB
> SNR. I hope that is not the next Goldilocks mode in the pipeline. I
> assume proponents of such a cobbled up "user interface" would feel
> perfectly justified in "sharing" even more CW frequency space? No thanks.
>
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
>
>
>
> On 07/12/20 20:57, David Gilbert wrote:
>>
>> Not quite.  I'm aware of JS8 and tried it more than a year ago, but it
>> still has much of the rigidity of the WSJT-X user interface and isn't
> as
>> basic as I think would be desirable.
>>
>> Think of it this way ... CW works fine as both a contest mode, DXing
>> mode, and conversational mode.  Underlaying CW with a well configured
>> digital signal processing scheme like that which is under FT8, except
>> with a different user interface than either WSJT-X or JS8,  could be
>> equally versatile but with maybe 6-8 db better S/N ... possibly by an
>> even greater margin if the decoding allowed errors instead of being all
>> or nothing.
>>
>> I'm not saying text-to-CW is the only way to reap the benefit of modern
>> digital signal processing ... only using it as an example.
>>
>> People only interested in a contact will probably always prefer
>> WSJT-X/FT8 because it does that very well, but both contesting and rag
>> chewing could really use a different (simpler) structure while still
>> utilizing the superior weak signal peformance of modern digital signal
>> processing.  I guarantee that it is possible to do so.
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave   AB7E
>>
>>
>> On 7/12/2020 6:18 PM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
>>> Enter JS8Call.
>>>
>>> All the technology of FT8, plus all of the conversationality of CW,
>>> RTTY and SSB rolled into one.
>>>
>>> If you haven't tried it, you really should.  It's developer, Jordan
>>> Sherer (KN4CRD) has done a terrific job with it and I am honored to
>>> have been a part of the beta team almost since day one.
>>>
>>> http://js8call.com/
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Lyn, W0LEN
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Gilbert
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 7:40 PM
>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The
> Stairs"
>>>
>>> Well, the fact is that the coding and processing behind modes like FT8
>>> doesn't have to be as rigid as is implemented in WSJT-X.  It only
>>> requires that information be sent and received in time frames, and
> those
>>> time frames are simply a function of three variables ... bandwidth,
>>> rate, and number of characters in the message frame.  It would be
>>> possible to change any of those, such as widening the bandwidth to
>>> increase the number of characters for the same time frame.
>>>
>>> It would also be possible to send text but have it converted to CW on
>>> the other end.  Or even to key CW that gets converted to text before
>>> transmission ... i.e., CW to CW except with significantly better S/N
>>> performance.  If the user was willing to live with a narrow bandwidth
>>> single conversation format, clock synchronization isn't even really
>>> needed.   And if we were willing to live with a single conversation
>>> format, there would be no point in cramming everyone into 2.4 KHz and
> we
>>> could spread out like we do for every other mode.
>>>
>>> I'm no expert, but I think that the coding could have enough error
>>> checking to allow busted message frames to be printed (or converted to
>>> CW) ... although of course with errors.  The extra error processing
>>> would reduce the character count, though, all other things being
> equal.
>>> The point is that the digital signal processing behind FT8 is
> extremely
>>> powerful and could be adapted to other user formats with a lot more
>>> flexibility than we have with FT8.  The hams who just dismiss FT8 out
> of
>>> hand really don't understand the broader weak signal applicability of
> it.
>>> 73,
>>> Dave   AB7E
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/12/2020 4:53 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
>>>> Yeah, great, reliable at or below the noise floor, but if all you're
>>>> doing is meeting the somewhat arbitrary minimum that defines a QSO,
>>>> what's the point?
>>>>
>>>> I mean seriously, can you even ask about the weather?  Just say "hi?"
>>>>
>>>> Meh.
>>>>
>>>> I'm fine with typing, but I want a real live person typing back, and
>>>> if we can type back and forth for an hour, that's great.
>>>>
>>>> 73 -- Lynn
>>>>
>>>> On 7/12/20 2:33 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>>>> The argument for digital modes like FT8 is that they're reliable at
>>>>> or below the noise floor, making it possible to work lots of DX even
>>>>> if solar conditions are very poor. Simplicity of protocol is a side
>>>>> effect of this design.
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 12:33:47 2020
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 19:33:47 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB2968351942ACC85C66EB15098C600@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB2968351942ACC85C66EB15098C600@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <8d9d47c5-d04a-fded-edcc-64c80ec61193@gmail.com>

I wouldn't bother. My DXCC certificate says "CW" on it.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 13/07/2020 18:39, Andy Durbin wrote:
> "Yep, I've made some FT-8 contacts. It was about as much fun as
> watching grass grow !"
> 
> Each to his own of course but, for me, the pleasure of making a
> contact has almost nothing to do with the mode used and almost
> everything to do with how much I wanted to contact that station.  I
> say "almost" because I still enjoy CW more than other modes.
> 
> How many would refuse to work Bouvet if FT8 is the only mode they
> choose to use when/if it is activated?
> 
> Andy, k3wyc 

From K6RV at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 13 12:46:49 2020
From: K6RV at earthlink.net (Donald Schliesser)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 11:46:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] : Re: On Second thought ,,,,,,
In-Reply-To: <c6d9780e-4197-a934-658a-fa9fb49790b2@earthlink.net>
References: <c6d9780e-4197-a934-658a-fa9fb49790b2@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1758557a-b9f0-8467-1b70-1e41d4f9f5c9@earthlink.net>


From K6RV at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 13 12:48:01 2020
From: K6RV at earthlink.net (Donald Schliesser)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 11:48:01 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: On Second thought ,,,,,,
In-Reply-To: <c6d9780e-4197-a934-658a-fa9fb49790b2@earthlink.net>
References: <c6d9780e-4197-a934-658a-fa9fb49790b2@earthlink.net>
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From josh at voodoolab.com  Mon Jul 13 12:57:04 2020
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 09:57:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: Re:  FT8 - was "On Second Thought,
	I'll Take The Stairs"
In-Reply-To: <AABRS3CZSARCYEM2@smtpout03.vgs.untd.com>
References: <AABRS3CZSARCYEM2@smtpout03.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <CF43E295-F5BB-41DF-9ECA-341E0AC29273@voodoolab.com>

I use TeamViewer to run FT8 but over a local network. Works great for that. 

73
Josh W6XU 

Sent from my mobile device

> On Jul 13, 2020, at 9:26 AM, bhtoub at juno.com wrote:
> 
> ?
> Has anyone tried TeamViewer using the mode FT8? Was in QST a couple
> months ago. Just another facet of this great hobby. 
> 
> 73,
> Brian K1DIH
> 
> 
> That's one of the great things about Amateur Radio.  There is literally
> something for everyone.
> 
> 73
> Lyn, W0LEN
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Drew AF2Z
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 9:57 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The
> Stairs"
> 
> Please- *nobody* is asking JT to save CW by giving us an extra 6-8 dB 
> SNR. I hope that is not the next Goldilocks mode in the pipeline. I 
> assume proponents of such a cobbled up "user interface" would feel 
> perfectly justified in "sharing" even more CW frequency space? No thanks.
> 
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
> 
> 
> 
>> On 07/12/20 20:57, David Gilbert wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Not quite.  I'm aware of JS8 and tried it more than a year ago, but it 
>> still has much of the rigidity of the WSJT-X user interface and isn't
> as 
>> basic as I think would be desirable.
>> 
>> Think of it this way ... CW works fine as both a contest mode, DXing 
>> mode, and conversational mode.  Underlaying CW with a well configured 
>> digital signal processing scheme like that which is under FT8, except 
>> with a different user interface than either WSJT-X or JS8,  could be 
>> equally versatile but with maybe 6-8 db better S/N ... possibly by an 
>> even greater margin if the decoding allowed errors instead of being all
> 
>> or nothing.
>> 
>> I'm not saying text-to-CW is the only way to reap the benefit of modern
> 
>> digital signal processing ... only using it as an example.
>> 
>> People only interested in a contact will probably always prefer 
>> WSJT-X/FT8 because it does that very well, but both contesting and rag 
>> chewing could really use a different (simpler) structure while still 
>> utilizing the superior weak signal peformance of modern digital signal 
>> processing.  I guarantee that it is possible to do so.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Dave   AB7E
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7/12/2020 6:18 PM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
>>> Enter JS8Call.
>>> 
>>> All the technology of FT8, plus all of the conversationality of CW, 
>>> RTTY and SSB rolled into one.
>>> 
>>> If you haven't tried it, you really should.  It's developer, Jordan 
>>> Sherer (KN4CRD) has done a terrific job with it and I am honored to 
>>> have been a part of the beta team almost since day one.
>>> 
>>> http://js8call.com/
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> Lyn, W0LEN
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
>>> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Gilbert
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 7:40 PM
>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The
> Stairs"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Well, the fact is that the coding and processing behind modes like FT8
>>> doesn't have to be as rigid as is implemented in WSJT-X.  It only
>>> requires that information be sent and received in time frames, and
> those
>>> time frames are simply a function of three variables ... bandwidth,
>>> rate, and number of characters in the message frame.  It would be
>>> possible to change any of those, such as widening the bandwidth to
>>> increase the number of characters for the same time frame.
>>> 
>>> It would also be possible to send text but have it converted to CW on
>>> the other end.  Or even to key CW that gets converted to text before
>>> transmission ... i.e., CW to CW except with significantly better S/N
>>> performance.  If the user was willing to live with a narrow bandwidth
>>> single conversation format, clock synchronization isn't even really
>>> needed.   And if we were willing to live with a single conversation
>>> format, there would be no point in cramming everyone into 2.4 KHz and
> we
>>> could spread out like we do for every other mode.
>>> 
>>> I'm no expert, but I think that the coding could have enough error
>>> checking to allow busted message frames to be printed (or converted to
>>> CW) ... although of course with errors.  The extra error processing
>>> would reduce the character count, though, all other things being
> equal.
>>> 
>>> The point is that the digital signal processing behind FT8 is
> extremely
>>> powerful and could be adapted to other user formats with a lot more
>>> flexibility than we have with FT8.  The hams who just dismiss FT8 out
> of
>>> hand really don't understand the broader weak signal applicability of
> it.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Dave   AB7E
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 7/12/2020 4:53 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
>>>> Yeah, great, reliable at or below the noise floor, but if all you're
>>>> doing is meeting the somewhat arbitrary minimum that defines a QSO,
>>>> what's the point?
>>>> 
>>>> I mean seriously, can you even ask about the weather?  Just say "hi?"
>>>> 
>>>> Meh.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm fine with typing, but I want a real live person typing back, and
>>>> if we can type back and forth for an hour, that's great.
>>>> 
>>>> 73 -- Lynn
>>>> 
>>>> On 7/12/20 2:33 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>>>> The argument for digital modes like FT8 is that they're reliable at
>>>>> or below the noise floor, making it possible to work lots of DX even
>>>>> if solar conditions are very poor. Simplicity of protocol is a side
>>>>> effect of this design.
> 
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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 12:59:30 2020
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 12:59:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
In-Reply-To: <015501d6592b$ec2ce7c0$c486b740$@LNAINC.com>
References: <CA+6T3FuwMAFgyfs-q_enHh70krtwbFvMShh0E9+Kj_SetdzKRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACHwrmNhJsKv7vc70kQy9ws-HuA+k6sn+L960LG8KhR7LZhDig@mail.gmail.com>
	<B7A96380-7C19-4282-9A04-84FF01F085A0@elecraft.com>
	<3902dd27-a339-e35a-2ea7-e40bec8e7d3f@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<3c96aeb7-3cd2-d3ca-eb15-f492e8a1cf55@gmail.com>
	<002601d658b3$7fd19440$7f74bcc0$@LNAINC.com>
	<6f2e3f36-c296-df76-cd0e-713977da295b@gmail.com>
	<76f98e96-3505-06b2-8bd9-1fd3f22cf432@af2z.net>
	<015501d6592b$ec2ce7c0$c486b740$@LNAINC.com>
Message-ID: <254C62EF-134C-4180-832C-96C934C4B0C3@gmail.com>

That?s definitely true.  Although I do have a gripe (is it FT4?) with the software that has arbitrarily plopped its users down in what was just a few months ago the home of mostly CW QRP activity on some bands.  There does seem to be a need for coordination.

Of course, I?m also old enough to remember, when SSB was beginning its surge because of the growing availability of good commercial gear.   At the time, SSB was mostly relegated to the lower 25 KHz of most phone bands.  AM ops would jump on anyone branching out from the then ?SSB ghetto?.  Times change and nothing changes .. it just morphs into new groups co-opting spectrum from someone else :-)   Still ? 

Grant NQ5T

> On Jul 13, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Lyn Norstad <Lyn at LNAINC.com> wrote:
> 
> That's one of the great things about Amateur Radio.  There is literally something for everyone.
> 
> 73
> Lyn, W0LEN
> 
> 


From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Mon Jul 13 13:07:07 2020
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 10:07:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
In-Reply-To: <F39B0019-DDFD-40D8-9BD8-A9D2516FD8FA@gmail.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB2968351942ACC85C66EB15098C600@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<F39B0019-DDFD-40D8-9BD8-A9D2516FD8FA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <35820eca-64ff-5bb8-65c2-f54707ba5a52@triconet.org>

Although I have little use for FT8 I did try it early on and from time to time I 
try it again.? I have learned that to work DX with a modest station such as I 
have, some skill in signal placement and timing is important.? Unfortunately, 
FT8 removes the timing trick, but signal placement does make a difference.

My gripes with the mode is that it's too easy for DX stations to plop down on an 
FT8 freq and never check propagation or operate on traditional modes.? Another 
is that ARRL hasn't seen fit to create a separate DXCC award for these modes, 
but has lumped it in with RTTY (which has been downgraded to "Digital").? My 
DXCC certificate says, "RTTY" and I want to keep it that way.

Wes? N7WS


On 7/13/2020 8:48 AM, Carl Yaffey wrote:
> My two cents: FT8 is a bit more than using a computer to make contacts. Believe it or not, there is skill involved. Just try working a DX station when a load of others are trying. Can you say ?pile up?? It ain?t simple.


From rick.nk7i at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 13:30:35 2020
From: rick.nk7i at gmail.com (Rick Bates, NK7I)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 10:30:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
In-Reply-To: <b7e0d9cb-bda4-302c-a5a6-2046eac7534f@gmail.com>
References: <CA+6T3FuwMAFgyfs-q_enHh70krtwbFvMShh0E9+Kj_SetdzKRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACHwrmNhJsKv7vc70kQy9ws-HuA+k6sn+L960LG8KhR7LZhDig@mail.gmail.com>
	<B7A96380-7C19-4282-9A04-84FF01F085A0@elecraft.com>
	<3902dd27-a339-e35a-2ea7-e40bec8e7d3f@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<3c96aeb7-3cd2-d3ca-eb15-f492e8a1cf55@gmail.com>
	<002601d658b3$7fd19440$7f74bcc0$@LNAINC.com>
	<6f2e3f36-c296-df76-cd0e-713977da295b@gmail.com>
	<B9EFDB77-19EA-4A28-9E75-922AE89FB112@elecraft.com>
	<3ac27805-0645-14c9-582f-601efd94c278@gmail.com>
	<b7e0d9cb-bda4-302c-a5a6-2046eac7534f@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2d91cf93-923a-1825-afe3-596ed83b9a67@gmail.com>

Just as one can go from an electric or petroleum powered vehicle back to 
cart and horse (the common factor being wheels), doesn't mean that the 
history to get from there to here must be ignored (or honored).

It doesn't matter the mode, ties into history will still exist and can 
be honored (or ignored), even if elements are destroyed (statues or old 
unused modes).? And ham radio excels at exploring modes and methods.? 
FT8 (and RTTY before that) is merely a stopping point on the line of 
history, something 'better' will come along (always has, always will, a 
constant) to fill the (momentary) needs.

The primary advantage (to some) of CW or phone is that it's human brain 
effort and skill, via the radio technology, that gives a sense of 
accomplishment (pride) while for some including the ties to history, the 
paths taken to get here.? For others, a complete technological contact 
with minimal effort, is what they seek and the world of ham radio allows 
that too.

All modes are valid and equal; just as casual, contest or rapid fire DX 
appeals to some, it suits the needs and purpose of the operator; to 
ENJOY what is available.

My satisfaction comes from using different modes (lately FT8 while it's 
popular AND CW and phone) to prove access to all parts of the planet 
(DXing) with a station that I assembled and built from what I could 
afford or manage to do the best (sometimes easiest) I can manage.? My 
'competition' is me, my motivation is always to do better.? I confine it 
with other limits too (budget, space used) because I don't want numerous 
towers or a super station and because that would affect my other 
enjoyable concerns (the view for one).

My preference is for a complete, simple station but that also means a 
group of single point failures exists (one of my choices).

If another has different ideals, there is room for that too, it's a 
personal set of choices.

Rick NK7I


On 7/13/2020 12:59 AM, David Gilbert wrote:
>
> Fine, but that demarcation is pretty arbitrary.? You could just as 
> easily go back to tube gear with crystal controlled transmitters and 
> regenerative receivers., but I'd be a lot of money you don't. The gear 
> you operate compares little in form, fit or function to anything those 
> folks used back then.? Your current radio almost certainly has a lot 
> of digital signal processing already, and I'll bet you use a keyer 
> instead of a hand key.? Quite frankly, I can just as easily imagine 
> somebody at his keyboard on the other end as I could if he was 
> operating a paddle.? Most DXing and almost all contesting is already 
> somebody simply pounding on a function key on a keyboard.

From rick.nk7i at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 13:58:10 2020
From: rick.nk7i at gmail.com (Rick Bates, NK7I)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 10:58:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote station ops
In-Reply-To: <AABRS3CZSARCYEM2@smtpout03.vgs.untd.com>
References: <AABRS3CZSARCYEM2@smtpout03.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <b242c5f9-4ae3-7364-6a9b-82c088470e2d@gmail.com>

Not to allow thread hijacking (now renamed at least);

One of my goals is to allow each component of the station to be 
manageable by a computer, in part for the purposes of operation when I 
travel.? Once that goal has been met (99% successful, a couple things 
are 'better' with eyes on), using TeamViewer (and Skype for phone modes) 
is simple.

I've done this for years, successfully but it requires solid 3G or 
better at the remote end, which is often a far greater challenge.

Rick NK7I


On 7/13/2020 9:24 AM, bhtoub at juno.com wrote:
> Has anyone tried TeamViewer using the mode FT8? Was in QST a couple
> months ago. Just another facet of this great hobby.
>
> 73,
> Brian K1DIH
>
>
> That's one of the great things about Amateur Radio.  There is literally
> something for everyone.
>
> 73
> Lyn, W0LEN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Drew AF2Z
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 9:57 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The
> Stairs"
>
> Please- *nobody* is asking JT to save CW by giving us an extra 6-8 dB
> SNR. I hope that is not the next Goldilocks mode in the pipeline. I
> assume proponents of such a cobbled up "user interface" would feel
> perfectly justified in "sharing" even more CW frequency space? No thanks.
>
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
>
>
>
> On 07/12/20 20:57, David Gilbert wrote:
>>
>> Not quite.  I'm aware of JS8 and tried it more than a year ago, but it
>> still has much of the rigidity of the WSJT-X user interface and isn't
> as
>> basic as I think would be desirable.
>>
>> Think of it this way ... CW works fine as both a contest mode, DXing
>> mode, and conversational mode.  Underlaying CW with a well configured
>> digital signal processing scheme like that which is under FT8, except
>> with a different user interface than either WSJT-X or JS8,  could be
>> equally versatile but with maybe 6-8 db better S/N ... possibly by an
>> even greater margin if the decoding allowed errors instead of being all
>> or nothing.
>>
>> I'm not saying text-to-CW is the only way to reap the benefit of modern
>> digital signal processing ... only using it as an example.
>>
>> People only interested in a contact will probably always prefer
>> WSJT-X/FT8 because it does that very well, but both contesting and rag
>> chewing could really use a different (simpler) structure while still
>> utilizing the superior weak signal peformance of modern digital signal
>> processing.  I guarantee that it is possible to do so.
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave   AB7E
>>
>>
>> On 7/12/2020 6:18 PM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
>>> Enter JS8Call.
>>>
>>> All the technology of FT8, plus all of the conversationality of CW,
>>> RTTY and SSB rolled into one.
>>>
>>> If you haven't tried it, you really should.  It's developer, Jordan
>>> Sherer (KN4CRD) has done a terrific job with it and I am honored to
>>> have been a part of the beta team almost since day one.
>>>
>>> http://js8call.com/
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Lyn, W0LEN
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Gilbert
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 7:40 PM
>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The
> Stairs"
>>>
>>> Well, the fact is that the coding and processing behind modes like FT8
>>> doesn't have to be as rigid as is implemented in WSJT-X.  It only
>>> requires that information be sent and received in time frames, and
> those
>>> time frames are simply a function of three variables ... bandwidth,
>>> rate, and number of characters in the message frame.  It would be
>>> possible to change any of those, such as widening the bandwidth to
>>> increase the number of characters for the same time frame.
>>>
>>> It would also be possible to send text but have it converted to CW on
>>> the other end.  Or even to key CW that gets converted to text before
>>> transmission ... i.e., CW to CW except with significantly better S/N
>>> performance.  If the user was willing to live with a narrow bandwidth
>>> single conversation format, clock synchronization isn't even really
>>> needed.   And if we were willing to live with a single conversation
>>> format, there would be no point in cramming everyone into 2.4 KHz and
> we
>>> could spread out like we do for every other mode.
>>>
>>> I'm no expert, but I think that the coding could have enough error
>>> checking to allow busted message frames to be printed (or converted to
>>> CW) ... although of course with errors.  The extra error processing
>>> would reduce the character count, though, all other things being
> equal.
>>> The point is that the digital signal processing behind FT8 is
> extremely
>>> powerful and could be adapted to other user formats with a lot more
>>> flexibility than we have with FT8.  The hams who just dismiss FT8 out
> of
>>> hand really don't understand the broader weak signal applicability of
> it.
>>> 73,
>>> Dave   AB7E
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/12/2020 4:53 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
>>>> Yeah, great, reliable at or below the noise floor, but if all you're
>>>> doing is meeting the somewhat arbitrary minimum that defines a QSO,
>>>> what's the point?
>>>>
>>>> I mean seriously, can you even ask about the weather?  Just say "hi?"
>>>>
>>>> Meh.
>>>>
>>>> I'm fine with typing, but I want a real live person typing back, and
>>>> if we can type back and forth for an hour, that's great.
>>>>
>>>> 73 -- Lynn
>>>>
>>>> On 7/12/20 2:33 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>>>> The argument for digital modes like FT8 is that they're reliable at
>>>>> or below the noise floor, making it possible to work lots of DX even
>>>>> if solar conditions are very poor. Simplicity of protocol is a side
>>>>> effect of this design.
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From mtnest at hartcom.net  Mon Jul 13 13:59:03 2020
From: mtnest at hartcom.net (Thomas Warren)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 13:59:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Rack-mount K4
Message-ID: <3D2E3040-FC0C-4563-9F3E-7F7AA6C611AF@hartcom.net>

Will it be possible to 'fully' control a rack-mounted K4 via Mouse and/or K-Pod through a PC Monitor located a foot or so from each other? 

Thanks, Tom W4TMW

From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Mon Jul 13 14:12:49 2020
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 13:12:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: Re:  FT8 - was "On Second Thought,
	I'll Take The Stairs"
In-Reply-To: <AABRS3CZSARCYEM2@smtpout03.vgs.untd.com>
References: <AABRS3CZSARCYEM2@smtpout03.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <01d901d65941$37cebbd0$a76c3370$@LNAINC.com>

Brian -

I use a combination of Teamviewer and Zoom when I am "Elmering" some of our
local group on the various digital modes.

It's a great combination!

73
Lyn, W0LEN


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of bhtoub at juno.com
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 11:24 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: Re: FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The
Stairs"


Has anyone tried TeamViewer using the mode FT8? Was in QST a couple
months ago. Just another facet of this great hobby. 

73,
Brian K1DIH


That's one of the great things about Amateur Radio.  There is literally
something for everyone.

73
Lyn, W0LEN


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Drew AF2Z
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 9:57 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The
Stairs"

Please- *nobody* is asking JT to save CW by giving us an extra 6-8 dB 
SNR. I hope that is not the next Goldilocks mode in the pipeline. I 
assume proponents of such a cobbled up "user interface" would feel 
perfectly justified in "sharing" even more CW frequency space? No thanks.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 07/12/20 20:57, David Gilbert wrote:
> 
> 
> Not quite.  I'm aware of JS8 and tried it more than a year ago, but it 
> still has much of the rigidity of the WSJT-X user interface and isn't
as 
> basic as I think would be desirable.
> 
> Think of it this way ... CW works fine as both a contest mode, DXing 
> mode, and conversational mode.  Underlaying CW with a well configured 
> digital signal processing scheme like that which is under FT8, except 
> with a different user interface than either WSJT-X or JS8,  could be 
> equally versatile but with maybe 6-8 db better S/N ... possibly by an 
> even greater margin if the decoding allowed errors instead of being all

> or nothing.
> 
> I'm not saying text-to-CW is the only way to reap the benefit of modern

> digital signal processing ... only using it as an example.
> 
> People only interested in a contact will probably always prefer 
> WSJT-X/FT8 because it does that very well, but both contesting and rag 
> chewing could really use a different (simpler) structure while still 
> utilizing the superior weak signal peformance of modern digital signal 
> processing.  I guarantee that it is possible to do so.
> 
> 73,
> Dave   AB7E
> 
> 
> On 7/12/2020 6:18 PM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
>> Enter JS8Call.
>>
>> All the technology of FT8, plus all of the conversationality of CW, 
>> RTTY and SSB rolled into one.
>>
>> If you haven't tried it, you really should.  It's developer, Jordan 
>> Sherer (KN4CRD) has done a terrific job with it and I am honored to 
>> have been a part of the beta team almost since day one.
>>
>> http://js8call.com/
>>
>> 73
>> Lyn, W0LEN
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
>> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Gilbert
>> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 7:40 PM
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The
Stairs"
>>
>>
>> Well, the fact is that the coding and processing behind modes like FT8
>> doesn't have to be as rigid as is implemented in WSJT-X.  It only
>> requires that information be sent and received in time frames, and
those
>> time frames are simply a function of three variables ... bandwidth,
>> rate, and number of characters in the message frame.  It would be
>> possible to change any of those, such as widening the bandwidth to
>> increase the number of characters for the same time frame.
>>
>> It would also be possible to send text but have it converted to CW on
>> the other end.  Or even to key CW that gets converted to text before
>> transmission ... i.e., CW to CW except with significantly better S/N
>> performance.  If the user was willing to live with a narrow bandwidth
>> single conversation format, clock synchronization isn't even really
>> needed.   And if we were willing to live with a single conversation
>> format, there would be no point in cramming everyone into 2.4 KHz and
we
>> could spread out like we do for every other mode.
>>
>> I'm no expert, but I think that the coding could have enough error
>> checking to allow busted message frames to be printed (or converted to
>> CW) ... although of course with errors.  The extra error processing
>> would reduce the character count, though, all other things being
equal.
>>
>> The point is that the digital signal processing behind FT8 is
extremely
>> powerful and could be adapted to other user formats with a lot more
>> flexibility than we have with FT8.  The hams who just dismiss FT8 out
of
>> hand really don't understand the broader weak signal applicability of
it.
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave   AB7E
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/12/2020 4:53 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
>>> Yeah, great, reliable at or below the noise floor, but if all you're
>>> doing is meeting the somewhat arbitrary minimum that defines a QSO,
>>> what's the point?
>>>
>>> I mean seriously, can you even ask about the weather?  Just say "hi?"
>>>
>>> Meh.
>>>
>>> I'm fine with typing, but I want a real live person typing back, and
>>> if we can type back and forth for an hour, that's great.
>>>
>>> 73 -- Lynn
>>>
>>> On 7/12/20 2:33 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>>> The argument for digital modes like FT8 is that they're reliable at
>>>> or below the noise floor, making it possible to work lots of DX even
>>>> if solar conditions are very poor. Simplicity of protocol is a side
>>>> effect of this design.

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From ab7echo at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 14:29:27 2020
From: ab7echo at gmail.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 11:29:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
In-Reply-To: <76f98e96-3505-06b2-8bd9-1fd3f22cf432@af2z.net>
References: <CA+6T3FuwMAFgyfs-q_enHh70krtwbFvMShh0E9+Kj_SetdzKRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACHwrmNhJsKv7vc70kQy9ws-HuA+k6sn+L960LG8KhR7LZhDig@mail.gmail.com>
	<B7A96380-7C19-4282-9A04-84FF01F085A0@elecraft.com>
	<3902dd27-a339-e35a-2ea7-e40bec8e7d3f@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<3c96aeb7-3cd2-d3ca-eb15-f492e8a1cf55@gmail.com>
	<002601d658b3$7fd19440$7f74bcc0$@LNAINC.com>
	<6f2e3f36-c296-df76-cd0e-713977da295b@gmail.com>
	<76f98e96-3505-06b2-8bd9-1fd3f22cf432@af2z.net>
Message-ID: <65d2b072-c120-7c57-6396-119a67fcf172@gmail.com>



Oh give me a break.? On any given day or night the CW frequencies are 
dead as a wombat except for FT8.

And I never proposed "saving" CW anyway.? Just the opposite ... I 
proposed modifying FT8 so that it had the flexibility of CW.

Dave? AB7E




On 7/13/2020 7:57 AM, Drew AF2Z wrote:
> Please- *nobody* is asking JT to save CW by giving us an extra 6-8 dB 
> SNR. I hope that is not the next Goldilocks mode in the pipeline. I 
> assume proponents of such a cobbled up "user interface" would feel 
> perfectly justified in "sharing" even more CW frequency space? No thanks.
>
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
>


From starman10 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 13 14:35:46 2020
From: starman10 at hotmail.com (Lou W0FK)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 11:35:46 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: Re:  FT8 - was "On Second Thought,
	I'll Take The Stairs"
In-Reply-To: <AABRS3CZSARCYEM2@smtpout03.vgs.untd.com>
References: <AABRS3CZSARCYEM2@smtpout03.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <1594665346941-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

I've used both Teamviewer and TightVNC, using my laptop to log onto my main
PC. I prefer Teamviewer because the screen real estate is larger, and I can
easily switch between my 2 monitors on the PC I log into. I've not used it
off my house's network. 

The only issue I've found is that I need to make sure I don't play with the
audio settings on the laptop after I've logged in, as it also affects the
audio settings on the main PC. I mute the laptop audio first and then log
on. Otherwise, I have to open the sound control (Windows 10) and change the
speaker setting to get reset transmit drive levels.

Also remember to set a personal password under options and allow "easy
access" to your main PC. Otherwise you'll need to enter the main PC's
randomly generated password, which is kinda hard if you're not in front of
it. 

73, Lou W0FK



--
Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/

From n8cep.keith at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 14:52:11 2020
From: n8cep.keith at gmail.com (Keith Hamilton)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 14:52:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
Message-ID: <CAJkuCUYr82KErvj1b8pXtk2KKkyiW8GTus8e3BW64J4tw=+mdg@mail.gmail.com>

I am having trouble with the K2 VCO alignment. I have moved the T5 windings
and obtained 6 volts at the left end of R30. I then went on to the chart
(table 6-1) to measure the voltages at the listed frequencies. My readings
are ok on 80 40 and 15 meters (between 1.5 to 7.5 volts) but on 30,20,17
,12 and 10 meters the voltage is 8.29 volts and does not change.

I have checked the solder connections of T5 and the value of C72 (271). The
diodes D21,D22,D23, D24, D25 and D26 are correctly installed. I also went
over the solder connections of K13, K14 and K15.

Now I'm stuck. Any help will be appreciated.

Keioth Hamilton N8CEP

From jim at n7us.net  Mon Jul 13 15:16:59 2020
From: jim at n7us.net (Jim McDonald)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 14:16:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
In-Reply-To: <8d9d47c5-d04a-fded-edcc-64c80ec61193@gmail.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB2968351942ACC85C66EB15098C600@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<8d9d47c5-d04a-fded-edcc-64c80ec61193@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGYgfuNx8ReV2XYho+f+jC9=-7gp5Op3cwUeXy7thBjt-bC9Vw@mail.gmail.com>

And I have one that says "RTTY" but it's now a Digital DXCC.  I had to
resort to FT8 to work Monaco to get on the Digital Honor Roll, with the
other 330 having been on RTTY.

Jim N7US

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 11:37 AM Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I wouldn't bother. My DXCC certificate says "CW" on it.
>
> 73,
> Victor, 4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> Formerly K2VCO
> CWops no. 5
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>
> On 13/07/2020 18:39, Andy Durbin wrote:
> > "Yep, I've made some FT-8 contacts. It was about as much fun as
> > watching grass grow !"
> >
> > Each to his own of course but, for me, the pleasure of making a
> > contact has almost nothing to do with the mode used and almost
> > everything to do with how much I wanted to contact that station.  I
> > say "almost" because I still enjoy CW more than other modes.
> >
> > How many would refuse to work Bouvet if FT8 is the only mode they
> > choose to use when/if it is activated?
> >
> > Andy, k3wyc
>
>

From nelasat at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 13 15:58:48 2020
From: nelasat at yahoo.com (Keith Ennis)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 19:58:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital Display Unit for the Elecraft KPA500
References: <1004048304.733413.1594670328131.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1004048304.733413.1594670328131@mail.yahoo.com>

Andy,

It's design was not to replace the KPA500 utility if that is what you want
to use.? It was designed to show the 5 most often used readings from the
front panel that can only be seen one at a time.

Plus it does not use any PC resources.? Monitor space is limited to most
operators.? Same with com ports.

Place the KPA500 wherever you want and place the DDU next to your radio.
Saves on heat, noise and desktop space.

Thanks for your input.73

Keith,KV5J


From dave at w8fgu.com  Mon Jul 13 15:58:59 2020
From: dave at w8fgu.com (Dave Van Wallaghen)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 19:58:59 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
In-Reply-To: <CAJkuCUYr82KErvj1b8pXtk2KKkyiW8GTus8e3BW64J4tw=+mdg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJkuCUYr82KErvj1b8pXtk2KKkyiW8GTus8e3BW64J4tw=+mdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <eme1004779-cdc6-4331-a3f1-105d4e6a13df@w8fgu-desktop>

Hi Keith,

Were you able to get 6v on R30 by tuning L30? Did you have to bring the 
voltage down or up by moving the windings on T5?

If you would, set the VFO to 4 MHz and do a CAL FCTR on TP1 and let me 
know what the reading is. I'm just looking for a couple of clues before 
we proceed.

73,
Dave, W8FGU


On 7/13/2020 2:52:11 PM, "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com> wrote:

>I am having trouble with the K2 VCO alignment. I have moved the T5 windings
>and obtained 6 volts at the left end of R30. I then went on to the chart
>(table 6-1) to measure the voltages at the listed frequencies. My readings
>are ok on 80 40 and 15 meters (between 1.5 to 7.5 volts) but on 30,20,17
>,12 and 10 meters the voltage is 8.29 volts and does not change.
>
>I have checked the solder connections of T5 and the value of C72 (271). The
>diodes D21,D22,D23, D24, D25 and D26 are correctly installed. I also went
>over the solder connections of K13, K14 and K15.
>
>Now I'm stuck. Any help will be appreciated.
>
>Keioth Hamilton N8CEP
>______________________________________________________________
>Elecraft mailing list
>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>
>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>Message delivered to dave at w8fgu.com


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Jul 13 16:06:42 2020
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 13:06:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: On Second thought ,,,,,,
In-Reply-To: <b433a14c-d5de-4eb6-4ec4-bac43435e1fe@earthlink.net>
References: <c6d9780e-4197-a934-658a-fa9fb49790b2@earthlink.net>
	<b433a14c-d5de-4eb6-4ec4-bac43435e1fe@earthlink.net>
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73, Jim K9YC

On 7/13/2020 9:48 AM, Donald Schliesser wrote:
> 
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From jimk0xu at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 16:11:58 2020
From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 15:11:58 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
In-Reply-To: <b2f1c06a-952a-c467-0e30-ecb9e1cde8fb@gmail.com>
References: <CA+6T3FuwMAFgyfs-q_enHh70krtwbFvMShh0E9+Kj_SetdzKRg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<B7A96380-7C19-4282-9A04-84FF01F085A0@elecraft.com>
	<3902dd27-a339-e35a-2ea7-e40bec8e7d3f@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<3c96aeb7-3cd2-d3ca-eb15-f492e8a1cf55@gmail.com>
	<002601d658b3$7fd19440$7f74bcc0$@LNAINC.com>
	<6f2e3f36-c296-df76-cd0e-713977da295b@gmail.com>
	<B9EFDB77-19EA-4A28-9E75-922AE89FB112@elecraft.com>
	<3ac27805-0645-14c9-582f-601efd94c278@gmail.com>
	<b7e0d9cb-bda4-302c-a5a6-2046eac7534f@gmail.com>
	<b2f1c06a-952a-c467-0e30-ecb9e1cde8fb@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4ZDyiHn5qdmAtT2MgwYX4WY=Os+XT4QRh7HTPAMT_NNTg@mail.gmail.com>

Connecting to history and making history are not the same thing. Doing
things the same way they were done a hundred years ago may make a
"connection" for you. But hams are supposed to innovate,  invent and
increase the knowledge. So you buy or build equipment with way more ability
than to send simple CW, so you can do simple CW? Yes, CW is great stuff,
but it sure isn't innovative, nor does in increase the knowledge of
communication. As a group we should encourage others to explore new
communications systems, not denigrate them as "not REAL HAM RADIO". Some of
you people should be ashamed of yourselves for your attitudes. We do not
want Amateur Radio to die with our generation, so we should encourage new
folks to do new things, not talk down to them because they don't choose to
spend 99% of their operating time pounding brass. They don't give you
static about taking up bandwidth with your ancient operating mode, why
hassle them because they can make Qs below the noise level. Oh yes, my DXCC
certificate says "Mixed" on it. I quit counting when I got that.

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 03:25 Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Actually, I'm building a regenerative receiver now. I have to use JFETs
> because I got rid of all my tube stuff due to lack of room. But of
> course I will continue to benefit from the DSP in my K3, and its keyer
> (although I have a bug that I use once in a while).
>
> But those things don't take away the connection to history, they make it
> better. The point for me isn't to use the same gear as they did in 1912,
> but to enter the Morse space as they did. If I can do it with equipment
> that is more stable and effective, so much the better.
>
> After all, a modern sailboat is very much more sophisticated than an old
> one, but sailing is still sailing.
>
> 73,
> Victor, 4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> Formerly K2VCO
> CWops no. 5
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
> .
> On 13/07/2020 10:59, David Gilbert wrote:
> >
> > Fine, but that demarcation is pretty arbitrary.  You could just as
> > easily go back to tube gear with crystal controlled transmitters and
> > regenerative receivers., but I'd be a lot of money you don't.  The gear
> > you operate compares little in form, fit or function to anything those
> > folks used back then.  Your current radio almost certainly has a lot of
> > digital signal processing already, and I'll bet you use a keyer instead
> > of a hand key.  Quite frankly, I can just as easily imagine somebody at
> > his keyboard on the other end as I could if he was operating a paddle.
> > Most DXing and almost all contesting is already somebody simply pounding
> > on a function key on a keyboard.
> >
> > And like I said before, it is entirely possible to preserve the bulk of
> > everything you mention and still use modern signal processing to make
> > human connections more achievable.  WSJT-X just doesn't happen to be
> > that at this point, but that doesn't mean something else couldn't be.
> >
> > Dave   AB7E
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/13/2020 12:41 AM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote:
> >> For me, it's simple.
> >>
> >> When I make a CW contact, even if its total content is "ENN TU", I am
> >> connected to history, to Jack Phillips on the Titanic, to all of the
> >> military traffic men and airborne radio operators of WWII, to the
> >> operators on the merchant ships on the high seas and the Great Lakes,
> >> and to all the hams of the past, even Mr. Marconi, the first ham.
> >>
> >> I like hearing the propagation change with my own ears and struggling
> >> to capture an ESP-level call. I like the feel of the key and the sound
> >> of the code. I like the idea that there is another person like me at
> >> the other end with his or her hand on a key.
> >>
> >> I consider myself extremely lucky to have caught the bug at a young
> >> age and developed the skill needed to make CW as transparent to me as
> >> my mother tongue. I see how hard it is for those who begin to learn at
> >> middle age or older. They shouldn't give up -- it's worth it.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Victor, 4X6GP
> >> Rehovot, Israel
> >> Formerly K2VCO
> >> CWops no. 5
> >> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
> >> .
> >> On 13/07/2020 5:06, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Jul 12, 2020, at 6:57 PM, David Gilbert <ab7echo at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Think of it this way ... CW works fine as both a contest mode,
> >>>> DXing mode, and conversational mode.  Underlaying CW with a well
> >>>> configured digital signal processing scheme like that which is
> >>>> under FT8, except with a different user interface than either
> >>>> WSJT-X or JS8,  could be equally versatile but with maybe 6-8 db
> >>>> better S/N ... possibly by an even greater margin if the decoding
> >>>> allowed errors instead of being all or nothing.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Except that (a) you don't have to know CW, and (b) you don't need a
> >>> key. There goes 73% of its charm :)
> >>>
> >>> Wayne N6KR
> >> ______________________________________________________________
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> >
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From K6RV at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 13 16:23:56 2020
From: K6RV at earthlink.net (Donald Schliesser)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 15:23:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] On Second thought ,,,,,,
In-Reply-To: <1758557a-b9f0-8467-1b70-1e41d4f9f5c9@earthlink.net>
References: <1758557a-b9f0-8467-1b70-1e41d4f9f5c9@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <be5afdda-df0f-b636-3474-4dee521cf720@earthlink.net>

Thanks to Peter, W0LLN, who let me know why my message was getting 
stripped.? Because I was sending HTML.? It has been so long since I have 
posted anything on the Reflector that I forgot about that.

Wayne,

Who said you were only a technical guy? Great Story!? If you ever need a 
second career, I know where you can go!

Thanks for making the Elecraft Reflector more interesting and raising 
the bar for the future!

73, Donald K6RV

Longtime K3 Owner.


From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 16:34:57 2020
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 23:34:57 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
In-Reply-To: <CALhxr4ZDyiHn5qdmAtT2MgwYX4WY=Os+XT4QRh7HTPAMT_NNTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+6T3FuwMAFgyfs-q_enHh70krtwbFvMShh0E9+Kj_SetdzKRg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<B7A96380-7C19-4282-9A04-84FF01F085A0@elecraft.com>
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	<6f2e3f36-c296-df76-cd0e-713977da295b@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <54ae1ede-10ec-b386-87c1-42793ed443c3@gmail.com>

I didn't notice myself "denigrating" anything or "talking down" to 
anyone. I explained why I like CW, even though other modes have their 
own advantages.

Regarding "increasing knowledge" and "innovating," I suspect that 90% of 
the guys pointing and clicking their way to DXCC with K1JT's code 
couldn't explain how it works.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
.
On 13/07/2020 23:11, Jim Rhodes wrote:
> Connecting to history and making history are not the same thing. Doing 
> things the same way they were done a hundred years ago may make a 
> "connection" for you. But hams are supposed to innovate,? invent and 
> increase the knowledge. So you buy or build equipment with way more 
> ability than to send simple CW, so you can do simple CW? Yes, CW is 
> great stuff, but it sure isn't innovative, nor does in increase the 
> knowledge of communication. As a group we should encourage others to 
> explore new communications systems, not denigrate them as "not REAL HAM 
> RADIO". Some of you people should be ashamed of yourselves for your 
> attitudes. We do not want Amateur Radio to die with our generation, so 
> we should encourage new folks to do new things, not talk down to them 
> because they don't choose to spend 99% of their operating time pounding 
> brass. They don't give you static about taking up bandwidth with your 
> ancient operating mode, why hassle them because they can make Qs below 
> the noise level. Oh yes, my DXCC certificate says "Mixed" on it. I quit 
> counting when I got that.
> 
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 03:25 Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com 
> <mailto:k2vco.vic at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Actually, I'm building a regenerative receiver now. I have to use JFETs
>     because I got rid of all my tube stuff due to lack of room. But of
>     course I will continue to benefit from the DSP in my K3, and its keyer
>     (although I have a bug that I use once in a while).
> 
>     But those things don't take away the connection to history, they
>     make it
>     better. The point for me isn't to use the same gear as they did in
>     1912,
>     but to enter the Morse space as they did. If I can do it with equipment
>     that is more stable and effective, so much the better.
> 
>     After all, a modern sailboat is very much more sophisticated than an
>     old
>     one, but sailing is still sailing.
> 
>     73,
>     Victor, 4X6GP
>     Rehovot, Israel
>     Formerly K2VCO
>     CWops no. 5
>     http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

From n8cep.keith at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 16:41:07 2020
From: n8cep.keith at gmail.com (Keith Hamilton)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 16:41:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
In-Reply-To: <eme1004779-cdc6-4331-a3f1-105d4e6a13df@w8fgu-desktop>
References: <CAJkuCUYr82KErvj1b8pXtk2KKkyiW8GTus8e3BW64J4tw=+mdg@mail.gmail.com>
	<eme1004779-cdc6-4331-a3f1-105d4e6a13df@w8fgu-desktop>
Message-ID: <CAJkuCUYGPRGTH3PowQwMRK4F1Wu9v7QngRE-Ncavzn5_8iZ3bA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for your help Dave!

Yes. I was able to get 6 volts on R30 by turning L30. At first the voltage
was too high
so I adjusted the turns on T5 by spreading the red windings further apart.
Then I
was able to get to 6 volts.

I did a CAL FCTR with the probe on TP1 and the frequency set to 4000,
The reading is 8912.22

73 Keith N8CEP


On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 3:59 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com> wrote:

> Hi Keith,
>
> Were you able to get 6v on R30 by tuning L30? Did you have to bring the
> voltage down or up by moving the windings on T5?
>
> If you would, set the VFO to 4 MHz and do a CAL FCTR on TP1 and let me
> know what the reading is. I'm just looking for a couple of clues before
> we proceed.
>
> 73,
> Dave, W8FGU
>
>
> On 7/13/2020 2:52:11 PM, "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I am having trouble with the K2 VCO alignment. I have moved the T5
> windings
> >and obtained 6 volts at the left end of R30. I then went on to the chart
> >(table 6-1) to measure the voltages at the listed frequencies. My readings
> >are ok on 80 40 and 15 meters (between 1.5 to 7.5 volts) but on 30,20,17
> >,12 and 10 meters the voltage is 8.29 volts and does not change.
> >
> >I have checked the solder connections of T5 and the value of C72 (271).
> The
> >diodes D21,D22,D23, D24, D25 and D26 are correctly installed. I also went
> >over the solder connections of K13, K14 and K15.
> >
> >Now I'm stuck. Any help will be appreciated.
> >
> >Keioth Hamilton N8CEP
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Jul 13 17:08:40 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:08:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
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Keith,

Not a nice problem to address.  I can give you some troubleshooting 
information if you are willing to hang in there with me.
Eliminate the "[Elecraft]" from the subject line and reply to me 
directly (not to the list).

Relay K15 is common on all those bands, but not on 80 and 40m, but that 
does not explain why 15 meters is OK.
Check the resistance between pins 1 and 10 of all 3 relays - that is the 
coil resistance, and if I recall, it is about 235 ohms.

Check that C73 and C74 are the correct values.

If that does not reveal the problem, you will have to measure the 
open/closed state of the relays for the next step.  Can you find those 
relays on the schematic?  They are all shown in the reset state.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/13/2020 2:52 PM, Keith Hamilton wrote:
> I am having trouble with the K2 VCO alignment. I have moved the T5 windings
> and obtained 6 volts at the left end of R30. I then went on to the chart
> (table 6-1) to measure the voltages at the listed frequencies. My readings
> are ok on 80 40 and 15 meters (between 1.5 to 7.5 volts) but on 30,20,17
> ,12 and 10 meters the voltage is 8.29 volts and does not change.
> 
> I have checked the solder connections of T5 and the value of C72 (271). The
> diodes D21,D22,D23, D24, D25 and D26 are correctly installed. I also went
> over the solder connections of K13, K14 and K15.
> 

From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Mon Jul 13 17:16:29 2020
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:16:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Radio modes - pluses and minuses
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-9960C86F5C0544159E821F3F40E00040@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

I hear a lot about the various modes, so I guess I'll put my oar 
in the pond. Before I start, I'll say that each mode has it's 
advantages, and so I am glad to have QSOs from all the ones I 
mention below in my log.

There are a number of measures of "goodness" for modes. They 
include: Bandwidth, ease of tuning, complexity of equipment, 
noise suppression, signal awareness, features, etc.

While some of these are obvious, others deserve some explanation.

Noise suppression measures how easy it is to understand a 
message. FM is really good here.

Signal awareness is a measure of how easy it is to notice other 
signals on your frequency. These signals can be your QSO partner 
trying to get your attention, or other stations. Full break-in 
CW is about as good as it gets while FT4/8 with its rigid time 
slots is about as bad as it gets.

I think that bandwidth used is an important factor. When 
operators complain that people using a mode with 50 or 100 Hz 
bandwidth are using up "their" spectrum, I'm not very 
sympathetic. In amateur radio, it's our spectrum. If we don't 
use spectrum, it may become BigCommCorp's spectrum. (I AM in 
favor of following well thought out band plans.)

There are the wide band modes: AM, FM, digital voice, SSB -- 
arbitrarily any thing over 250 Hz -- the width of my narrow 
filter. AM is a classic mode, and goes well with your Collins or 
Drake equipment. It is easy to tune and does a nice job of 
producing the heterodynes or yore. With 6 or more KHz of 
bandwidth it is quite wide.

FM is very popular on VHF and above, but is even more of a 
spectrum hog than AM. It is easy to tune, and tends to have very 
low noise. Receivers tend to lock on to the strongest signal on 
the frequency, which can be an advantage or a disadvantage. The 
FAA went to AM for airplane radios to be able to hear a weak 
station as well as a strong one on the same frequency. 
Particularly on 2M, we are running out of bandwidth. Converting 
to a more bandwidth efficient mode would be an option, but 
consider all those then useless Baofengs, Yaesus, iComs, etc. 
The change over wouldn't be pretty.

SSB is our workhorse for HF voice. We can understand 
communications in a 2 KHz bandwidth, although 2.7 KHz is easier 
on the ears. It is noisy and hard to tune.

Digital voice - Doesn't yet have critical mass on HF. Might be 
nice, but probably won't work well at ESP signal levels. Can be 
slightly narrower bandwidth than SSB. Can have features like 
automatic message forwarding, digital streams at the same time 
as a voice stream etc. Just look at what the proprietary Yaesu 
and iCom modes do on VHF/UHF. They are not simple to set up or 
use, but they are loaded with features.

Amateur TV etc. are proof that amateur radio is a very big tent.


So now we have the narrow bandwidth modes. I'm only going to 
mention a few of them -- there are so many.

CW is the classic. I'm glad people don't still use spark gap 
transmitters to enjoy the full retro-experience. It has the 
great advantage of needing very little in the way of equipment. 
A Rockmite is a large complex radio compared with the minimum of 
a simple transmitter with a regen receiver. It has the 
disadvantage of requiring a lot of operator skill. Those 
operators who have the skill are rightfully proud of their abilities.

When you apply modern technology to the problem you can get 
something like a KX2 which can send/receive CW, tune your 
antenna, and log your QSOs == all in a package which will fit in 
a coat pocket.

Another advantage of CW, with a modern radio, is that you can 
switch between receive and transmit quickly enough to determine 
if someone is trying to transmit on your frequency while you are 
still sending.

RTTY is the classic digital mode. It needs a computer or a 
Teletype machine to decode and encode the signals. It is error 
prone, so in a contest you frequently have to send calls twice 
for redundancy. It is also quite wide for a narrow mode. You can 
have some interesting fun with RTTY. It is possible to 
interleave stations where the mark frequency of one station is 
between the mark and space frequencies of another, which goes to 
show that 170 Hz is wider than needed. Since transmissions 
aren't synchronized, it is possible to notice someone else 
transmitting on the same frequency as you, but noticing them is 
nowhere as likely as with CW.

An amusing story: In a contest I heard 2 stations interleaving 
RTTY CQs on 20M. They were on exactly the same frequency and 
their mutual sync was perfect. I think they were in each other's 
skip zone. I managed to work both of them.

The PSK modes were designed for rag chewing and require a 
computer. That computer is built into some radios, e.g. K3, KX3, 
KX2. PSK31 uses 31 Hz of bandwidth. Like the FT modes, they like 
to have a number of users in a 2000 to 4000 Hz chunk of 
spectrum. You might be able to cram 13 or so stations in a 1K 
bandwidth. There are some error detecting PSK modes, but as far 
as I can tell, no one uses them.

The FT4/8 modes are the most sophisticated modes in common use. 
They require a computer, but are the only modes that can 
successfully decode two overlapping signals. They work several 
dB below the noise floor, so are attractive with low power, bad 
antennas, or high local RF noise. The only way to discover if 
you are trying to transmit through another strong signal is to 
pause sending.

To slightly twist a famous quote attributed to Willie Sutton, I 
go to FT8 'cause that's where the stations are. The nearly fully 
automatic features were also very nice when I was physically 
wiped out from my cancer treatments, but still wanted to get on 
the air to improve my psychology.

73 Bill AE6JV

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From n0jrn1 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 17:17:26 2020
From: n0jrn1 at gmail.com (Jerry Ford)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 16:17:26 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 encoders
Message-ID: <CAERWXcte57LoSyV-tC=3tr-VHV8WV2UXfa4dhuxtkWSTCmP=kA@mail.gmail.com>

Good afternoon all:

Gang:       I need some advise from anyone familiar with the KX3
control board.

I replaced the encoder for  AF/RF on my radio and while doing that,
I managed to lift the trace that runs under that encoder.

Can anyone tell me where that trace goes ???

It run's under the encoder and the capacitors that are between Z2 and Z3.

I pulled up the schematic and that trace should be the SWCOM.  If that's
correct,  Then it's in series with pin 2 of all 4 encoders.  That being the
case,
it becomes an easy fix below the board.

Before I do anything like that,  I wanted to check with you guys and make
sure I'm correct.

Any advise would certainly be appreciated

73      Jerry       N0JRN

From pincon at erols.com  Mon Jul 13 16:41:31 2020
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 16:41:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
In-Reply-To: <CAGYgfuNx8ReV2XYho+f+jC9=-7gp5Op3cwUeXy7thBjt-bC9Vw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB2968351942ACC85C66EB15098C600@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>	<8d9d47c5-d04a-fded-edcc-64c80ec61193@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <006c01d65956$00a410a0$01ec31e0$@erols.com>

Mine DXCC certificate says "50 MHZ"
Actually up to about 160 by now, all on SSB or CW.

73, Charlie k3ICH




-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Jim McDonald
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 3:17 PM
To: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."

And I have one that says "RTTY" but it's now a Digital DXCC.  I had to
resort to FT8 to work Monaco to get on the Digital Honor Roll, with the
other 330 having been on RTTY.

Jim N7US

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 11:37 AM Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I wouldn't bother. My DXCC certificate says "CW" on it.
>
> 73,
> Victor, 4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> Formerly K2VCO
> CWops no. 5
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>
> On 13/07/2020 18:39, Andy Durbin wrote:
> > "Yep, I've made some FT-8 contacts. It was about as much fun as 
> > watching grass grow !"
> >
> > Each to his own of course but, for me, the pleasure of making a 
> > contact has almost nothing to do with the mode used and almost 
> > everything to do with how much I wanted to contact that station.  I 
> > say "almost" because I still enjoy CW more than other modes.
> >
> > How many would refuse to work Bouvet if FT8 is the only mode they 
> > choose to use when/if it is activated?
> >
> > Andy, k3wyc
>
>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Jul 13 18:01:05 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 18:01:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 encoders
In-Reply-To: <CAERWXcte57LoSyV-tC=3tr-VHV8WV2UXfa4dhuxtkWSTCmP=kA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAERWXcte57LoSyV-tC=3tr-VHV8WV2UXfa4dhuxtkWSTCmP=kA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e405b1cb-08e8-0d1f-c284-a308aca12520@embarqmail.com>

Jerry,

If some of the PC trace is left, just scrape that down to the copper, 
tin it and solder a wire to the PC trace and the encoder pin.
Look for any evidence of a PC trace running on the other side of the 
board to that same pin.  If there is, hopefully simply soldering on that 
side of the board may be OK, but if not, a wire on that side of the 
board may be necessary as well.

The board uses thru-plated holes which carry signals from one side of 
the board to the other, some of which have components mounted in them. 
If you lifted a trace, you likely also destroyed the thru-plating, so be 
aware that you may have to do some repair on both sides of the board.

This is all just general information, I do not have the particulars of 
the signal line in question.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/13/2020 5:17 PM, Jerry Ford wrote:
> Good afternoon all:
> 
> Gang:       I need some advise from anyone familiar with the KX3
> control board.
> 
> I replaced the encoder for  AF/RF on my radio and while doing that,
> I managed to lift the trace that runs under that encoder.
> 
> Can anyone tell me where that trace goes ???
> 
> It run's under the encoder and the capacitors that are between Z2 and Z3.
> 
> I pulled up the schematic and that trace should be the SWCOM.  If that's
> correct,  Then it's in series with pin 2 of all 4 encoders.  That being the
> case,
> it becomes an easy fix below the board.
> 
> Before I do anything like that,  I wanted to check with you guys and make
> sure I'm correct.
> 
> Any advise would certainly be appreciated
> 
> 73      Jerry       N0JRN
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From macymonkeys at charter.net  Mon Jul 13 18:04:14 2020
From: macymonkeys at charter.net (Macy monkeys)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 15:04:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital Display Unit for the Elecraft KPA500
In-Reply-To: <1004048304.733413.1594670328131@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <D52B3B80-263F-4139-9DF0-37B53E8FF2EE@charter.net>

I purchased it exactly for those reasons; my KPA500 is on a shelf under my operating desk. The DDU will enable me to see what I can't easily see now. Perfect solution.

And yes, my DDU arrived today and I will soon give it a shakedown cruise...

John K7FD

> On Jul 13, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Keith Ennis via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Andy,
> 
> It's design was not to replace the KPA500 utility if that is what you want
> to use.  It was designed to show the 5 most often used readings from the
> front panel that can only be seen one at a time.
> 
> Plus it does not use any PC resources.  Monitor space is limited to most
> operators.  Same with com ports.
> 
> Place the KPA500 wherever you want and place the DDU next to your radio.
> Saves on heat, noise and desktop space.
> 
> Thanks for your input.73
> 
> Keith,KV5J
> 
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From macymonkeys at charter.net  Mon Jul 13 20:05:31 2020
From: macymonkeys at charter.net (Macy monkeys)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:05:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Very pleased with KV5J Digital Display Unit for the
	Elecraft KPA500
In-Reply-To: <D52B3B80-263F-4139-9DF0-37B53E8FF2EE@charter.net>
References: <1004048304.733413.1594670328131.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <484D78AA-7E8E-4C6A-802B-4BC0DC3B502B@charter.net>


I just finished hooking up the remote KV5J DDU for my KPA500. It arrived today via USPS extremely well packed. Hook up was a snap. The unit does exactly what Keith says it does. And it looks terrific! The display is not too bright, not too dim. Perfect! It is very professional looking in a stout metal housing. Keith was quick to answer my emails. 

Very pleased! I have no connection to Keith or his products other than being a satisfied customer.

John K7FD


> On Jul 13, 2020, at 3:04 PM, Macy monkeys <macymonkeys at charter.net> wrote:
> 
> I purchased it exactly for those reasons; my KPA500 is on a shelf under my operating desk. The DDU will enable me to see what I can't easily see now. Perfect solution.
> 
> And yes, my DDU arrived today and I will soon give it a shakedown cruise...
> 
> John K7FD
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Keith Ennis via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Andy,
>> 
>> It's design was not to replace the KPA500 utility if that is what you want
>> to use.  It was designed to show the 5 most often used readings from the
>> front panel that can only be seen one at a time.
>> 
>> Plus it does not use any PC resources.  Monitor space is limited to most
>> operators.  Same with com ports.
>> 
>> Place the KPA500 wherever you want and place the DDU next to your radio.
>> Saves on heat, noise and desktop space.
>> 
>> Thanks for your input.73
>> 
>> Keith,KV5J
>> 
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From n8cep.keith at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 21:34:03 2020
From: n8cep.keith at gmail.com (Keith Hamilton)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 21:34:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re[2]:  K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
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---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Keith Hamilton <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Elecraft] K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
To: Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com>


Dave

Yes the frequency changes when turning the VFO knob when measuring with CAL
FCTR on TP1.

I have checked the markings on C71, C72, C73, and C74 (C75 is not installed
yet). They are
all correct and I resoldered them to be sure.

I am beginning to think I might have a bad relay K13, K14 or K15. My good
bands are 80,40 and
15 meters. My bad bands are 30,20,17,12 and 10 meters. Looking at the relay
table in appendix B
I am not sure which relay could be bad. How can I test them? Should I try
to replace them?
73,
Keith N8CEP


On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:58 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com> wrote:

> Ok Keith, just to make sure things are where we want on the bands that
> seem to work, does the frequency change when turning the VFO knob when
> measuring with CAL FCTR on TP1? If they do, then things are working ok.
>
> For the bands that are locked at 8.28v, that is the max output from the
> integrator circuit (U6B). This means that there is no lock between the PLL
> Oscillator and the VCO circuit and the PLL chip (U4) is trying to drive the
> varactors to provide more capacitance to the VCO circuit. The most likely
> cause will be a misplaced capacitor in the VCO range selector (C71 - C75)
> or a problem in the VCO circuit itself. But because this may be band
> dependent, I would look first in that range selection circuit. Verify that
> those caps are the proper values. They are easily misread and will cause
> the type of thing you are seeing.
>
> Also verify those varactor diodes are the proper type and in the right
> places. Soldering issues are typically the leading cause of problems, so
> check that also. If all looks right to you, you may want to signal trace
> through that selection circuit to verify the proper relays and active for
> the bands not working. There is a relay table in Appendix B that shows you
> which relays are active for each band.
>
> This is a brand new build, correct?
>
> 73,
> Dave, W8FGU
>
>
> On 7/13/2020 4:41:07 PM, "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for your help Dave!
>
> Yes. I was able to get 6 volts on R30 by turning L30. At first the voltage
> was too high
> so I adjusted the turns on T5 by spreading the red windings further apart.
> Then I
> was able to get to 6 volts.
>
> I did a CAL FCTR with the probe on TP1 and the frequency set to 4000,
> The reading is 8912.22
>
> 73 Keith N8CEP
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 3:59 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Keith,
>>
>> Were you able to get 6v on R30 by tuning L30? Did you have to bring the
>> voltage down or up by moving the windings on T5?
>>
>> If you would, set the VFO to 4 MHz and do a CAL FCTR on TP1 and let me
>> know what the reading is. I'm just looking for a couple of clues before
>> we proceed.
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave, W8FGU
>>
>>
>> On 7/13/2020 2:52:11 PM, "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I am having trouble with the K2 VCO alignment. I have moved the T5
>> windings
>> >and obtained 6 volts at the left end of R30. I then went on to the chart
>> >(table 6-1) to measure the voltages at the listed frequencies. My
>> readings
>> >are ok on 80 40 and 15 meters (between 1.5 to 7.5 volts) but on 30,20,17
>> >,12 and 10 meters the voltage is 8.29 volts and does not change.
>> >
>> >I have checked the solder connections of T5 and the value of C72 (271).
>> The
>> >diodes D21,D22,D23, D24, D25 and D26 are correctly installed. I also went
>> >over the solder connections of K13, K14 and K15.
>> >
>> >Now I'm stuck. Any help will be appreciated.
>> >
>> >Keioth Hamilton N8CEP
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From robertkhand at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 13 21:48:37 2020
From: robertkhand at hotmail.com (Robert Hand)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 01:48:37 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
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I still say, ?appliance operator ?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 13, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I didn't notice myself "denigrating" anything or "talking down" to anyone. I explained why I like CW, even though other modes have their own advantages.
> 
> Regarding "increasing knowledge" and "innovating," I suspect that 90% of the guys pointing and clicking their way to DXCC with K1JT's code couldn't explain how it works.
> 
> 73,
> Victor, 4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> Formerly K2VCO
> CWops no. 5
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
> .
>> On 13/07/2020 23:11, Jim Rhodes wrote:
>> Connecting to history and making history are not the same thing. Doing things the same way they were done a hundred years ago may make a "connection" for you. But hams are supposed to innovate,  invent and increase the knowledge. So you buy or build equipment with way more ability than to send simple CW, so you can do simple CW? Yes, CW is great stuff, but it sure isn't innovative, nor does in increase the knowledge of communication. As a group we should encourage others to explore new communications systems, not denigrate them as "not REAL HAM RADIO". Some of you people should be ashamed of yourselves for your attitudes. We do not want Amateur Radio to die with our generation, so we should encourage new folks to do new things, not talk down to them because they don't choose to spend 99% of their operating time pounding brass. They don't give you static about taking up bandwidth with your ancient operating mode, why hassle them because they can make Qs below the noise level. Oh yes, my DXCC certificate says "Mixed" on it. I quit counting when I got that.
>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 03:25 Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com <mailto:k2vco.vic at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>    Actually, I'm building a regenerative receiver now. I have to use JFETs
>>    because I got rid of all my tube stuff due to lack of room. But of
>>    course I will continue to benefit from the DSP in my K3, and its keyer
>>    (although I have a bug that I use once in a while).
>>    But those things don't take away the connection to history, they
>>    make it
>>    better. The point for me isn't to use the same gear as they did in
>>    1912,
>>    but to enter the Morse space as they did. If I can do it with equipment
>>    that is more stable and effective, so much the better.
>>    After all, a modern sailboat is very much more sophisticated than an
>>    old
>>    one, but sailing is still sailing.
>>    73,
>>    Victor, 4X6GP
>>    Rehovot, Israel
>>    Formerly K2VCO
>>    CWops no. 5
>>    http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
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From dave at w8fgu.com  Mon Jul 13 22:35:36 2020
From: dave at w8fgu.com (Dave Van Wallaghen)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 02:35:36 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re[2]: K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
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Keith,

I saw Don respond to this and he is right that K15 would be the common 
denominator if not for 15m. You can check to see if the coils are intact 
if you measure the resistance between pins 1 and 10 for each. It should 
be around 230 ohms or so. If you find one open or well away from that 
resistance, then it would indicate a bad coil on that relay.

You can also measure the intended path through the relays for each band 
and make sure there are no unintended paths. If you can read the 
schematic, it shows the path with each relay in it's reset state. You 
would need to consult the table in Appendix B to see which relay(s) are 
active for a respective band and you can then measure the continuity of 
the intended path. You should also check any unintended paths which 
could indicate a problem.

As Don stated, this is not a fun problem to find and will take some good 
debugging skills. So far, everything you've indicated seems to suggest 
the PLL oscillator and VCO circuits are working properly, but the range 
selection area is not producing the proper capacitance to allow the VCO 
to produce the proper frequency on those bands you indicated.

If reading the schematic is a problem, let us know and I am sure between 
Don and myself, we can give you some step by step instructions for 
tracing through this problem.

73,
Dave W8FGU

------ Original Message ------
From: "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Sent: 7/13/2020 9:34:03 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re[2]: K2 7747 VCO alignment problem

>---------- Forwarded message ---------
>From: Keith Hamilton <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
>Date: Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:19 PM
>Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Elecraft] K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
>To: Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com>
>
>
>Dave
>
>Yes the frequency changes when turning the VFO knob when measuring with CAL
>FCTR on TP1.
>
>I have checked the markings on C71, C72, C73, and C74 (C75 is not installed
>yet). They are
>all correct and I resoldered them to be sure.
>
>I am beginning to think I might have a bad relay K13, K14 or K15. My good
>bands are 80,40 and
>15 meters. My bad bands are 30,20,17,12 and 10 meters. Looking at the relay
>table in appendix B
>I am not sure which relay could be bad. How can I test them? Should I try
>to replace them?
>73,
>Keith N8CEP
>
>
>On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:58 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com> wrote:
>
>>  Ok Keith, just to make sure things are where we want on the bands that
>>  seem to work, does the frequency change when turning the VFO knob when
>>  measuring with CAL FCTR on TP1? If they do, then things are working ok.
>>
>>  For the bands that are locked at 8.28v, that is the max output from the
>>  integrator circuit (U6B). This means that there is no lock between the PLL
>>  Oscillator and the VCO circuit and the PLL chip (U4) is trying to drive the
>>  varactors to provide more capacitance to the VCO circuit. The most likely
>>  cause will be a misplaced capacitor in the VCO range selector (C71 - C75)
>>  or a problem in the VCO circuit itself. But because this may be band
>>  dependent, I would look first in that range selection circuit. Verify that
>>  those caps are the proper values. They are easily misread and will cause
>>  the type of thing you are seeing.
>>
>>  Also verify those varactor diodes are the proper type and in the right
>>  places. Soldering issues are typically the leading cause of problems, so
>>  check that also. If all looks right to you, you may want to signal trace
>>  through that selection circuit to verify the proper relays and active for
>>  the bands not working. There is a relay table in Appendix B that shows you
>>  which relays are active for each band.
>>
>>  This is a brand new build, correct?
>>
>>  73,
>>  Dave, W8FGU
>>
>>
>>  On 7/13/2020 4:41:07 PM, "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Thanks for your help Dave!
>>
>>  Yes. I was able to get 6 volts on R30 by turning L30. At first the voltage
>>  was too high
>>  so I adjusted the turns on T5 by spreading the red windings further apart.
>>  Then I
>>  was able to get to 6 volts.
>>
>>  I did a CAL FCTR with the probe on TP1 and the frequency set to 4000,
>>  The reading is 8912.22
>>
>>  73 Keith N8CEP
>>
>>
>>  On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 3:59 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Hi Keith,
>>>
>>>  Were you able to get 6v on R30 by tuning L30? Did you have to bring the
>>>  voltage down or up by moving the windings on T5?
>>>
>>>  If you would, set the VFO to 4 MHz and do a CAL FCTR on TP1 and let me
>>>  know what the reading is. I'm just looking for a couple of clues before
>>>  we proceed.
>>>
>>>  73,
>>>  Dave, W8FGU
>>>
>>>
>>>  On 7/13/2020 2:52:11 PM, "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  >I am having trouble with the K2 VCO alignment. I have moved the T5
>>>  windings
>>>  >and obtained 6 volts at the left end of R30. I then went on to the chart
>>>  >(table 6-1) to measure the voltages at the listed frequencies. My
>>>  readings
>>>  >are ok on 80 40 and 15 meters (between 1.5 to 7.5 volts) but on 30,20,17
>>>  >,12 and 10 meters the voltage is 8.29 volts and does not change.
>>>  >
>>>  >I have checked the solder connections of T5 and the value of C72 (271).
>>>  The
>>>  >diodes D21,D22,D23, D24, D25 and D26 are correctly installed. I also went
>>>  >over the solder connections of K13, K14 and K15.
>>>  >
>>>  >Now I'm stuck. Any help will be appreciated.
>>>  >
>>>  >Keioth Hamilton N8CEP
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From kurtt at pinrod.com  Mon Jul 13 22:47:01 2020
From: kurtt at pinrod.com (Kurt Pawlikowski)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 21:47:01 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
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Wayne: Would you mind if I forwarded this to our ham newsletter editor 
for reprint? Thanks! k WB9FMC

On 7/12/2020 10:07 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> I have a friend about my age who got into amateur radio only a few years ago. Like many of us, he was enthusiastic about the technology. Intrigued with DX.
>
> I showed him my station; we talked endlessly about gear. Later, I helped him put up a simple wire antenna.
>
> Then, when his license arrived, he dove straight into FT8 and didn't look back. Within days, he'd worked all states, then DXCC. He'd bag a few rare ones over a light lunch, then pat his laptop on the back and congratulate his software app for its near-mythical ability to extract weak signals out of noise.
>
> Within weeks, he'd mastered everything there was to know about this glorious new hobby.
>
> Point. Click.
>
> In this new world order, those of us who took the longer, slower path to ionospheric enlightenment -- and who still occasionally enjoy making waves by hand -- often fail to explain why.
>
> I had failed to explain it to my friend. Even as hints of his boredom crept in, creating an opening, the best argument I'd made for trying CW was that he could do it without a computer. Coming in a weak second was the notion that CW was the original digital mode. For obvious reasons, I didn't bother with the classic argument about CW's signal-to-noise advantage over SSB.
>
> I had all but given up.
>
> Then, in a moment of delayed clarity, I decided on a different approach. I invited him to a weekday brunch. A bit of an escape. He willingly took the bait.
>
> On the appointed day, arriving at his workplace, I bypassed the lobby's glistening elevators and climbed the four flights of stairs to his office. I insisted we take the stairs down, too.
>
> "Why?" he asked. "And how'd you get up here so fast?"
>
> I pointed out that I always chose stairs, when possible. That's why I wasn't out of breath. We hustled down, jockeying for position, and emerged on the ground floor invigorated by the effort.
>
> "So, where are we going?" he asked. We'd been to every overrated twenty-dollar burger venue at least twice.
>
> I replied that we'd be going someplace we'd never tried. My kitchen.
>
> When we arrived, I put him to work chopping onions and broccoli and squeezing oranges while I whipped eggs into a froth and grated Swiss cheese. We ate our omelettes outside, in full sun and a cool breeze.
>
> "What's for desert?" he asked. "Isn't there a frozen yogurt place a two-minute drive from here?"
>
> I had something else in mind. Back in the kitchen, I handed him a water bottle, then strapped on a small pack I'd prepared earlier.
>
> We walked a mile or so through my neighborhood, admiring the houses' varied architecture, ending up (as planned) at a local park festooned with blackberry bushes. The most accessible branches had been picked clean, but with teamwork and persistence we were able to gather several large handfuls of fat, ripe berries, which we devoured on the spot.
>
> We'd been poked and scratched but didn't care.
>
> "Doesn't brunch usually end with champagne?" he wondered aloud, admiring his wounds.
>
> Not this time. I pulled out two bottles of craft beer that I'd obtained from a neighbor in trade for repairing his ancient home stereo. Carlos had spent years crafting an American pilsner to die for, sweating every detail, including iconic, hand-painted labels.
>
> My friend accepted the bottle, then tried in vain to remove the cap. Not a twist-off.
>
> "Opener?" he said.
>
> I handed him a small pocket knife, an antique without specialty blades. He soon discovered it could not be used to remove the cap directly. He looked at me with a bemused expression, no doubt wondering what I had up my sleeve this time.
>
> I pointed out that we were surrounded by white oaks, a species known for its hard wood. He got the message, smiled, and began hunting. Within seconds he'd collected a small fallen branch. I watched as he used the knife to fashion a few inches of it into a passable bottle opener. We popped the caps, toasted his new-found skill, and traded stories of our misspent youths.
>
> "Oh, one more thing," I said.
>
> I pulled a KX2 out of my pack, along with two lengths of wire. Of course he knew everything there was to know about Elecraft, and me, so he wasn't surprised when I also pulled out the rig's attachable keyer paddle. We threw one wire in the closest tree and laid the other on the ground.
>
> He didn't have to ask whether I'd brought a laptop.
>
> We listened to CW signals up and down 20 meters, which was open to Europe at the time. As he tuned in each station, I copied for him using pencil and paper. He'd learned Morse code, but only at very slow speeds.
>
> After making a contact, I set the internal keyer speed to 10 words per minute and dialed power output to zero, for practice purposes, then showed him how to use the paddle. He smiled as he got the hang of it. Sending the full alphabet was a challenge, but he got there. The KX2 decoded and displayed his keying, providing confirmation.
>
> We'd blown through his allotted lunch break by a factor of three, so it was time to go. We coiled up the antenna wires, packed up, and walked back. As I drove him back to his employer, we made plans to get together again for a weekend hike.
>
> I could have just dropped him off, but we went back into the lobby together. Out of habit, he stopped in front of the elevator. Then he looked up.
>
> "OK," he said. "I get it. This CW thing. It's slow, it's hard to do well, and it takes years of practice."
>
> "Like hunting for your own food, or carving your own tools," I added.
>
> "Or cooking from scratch. Or brewing your own beer. Building your own radio. And you use more of your senses. Not just your eyes, but your ears. Your sense of touch."
>
> I nodded. Listening. Feeling. That was the radio I'd grown up with.
>
> "Of course it's harder to work DX with CW than with FT8," I reminded him, playing devil's advocate.
>
> "Is that what matters, though?" he asked.
>
> A longer discussion for another day.
>
> "Your call," I said.
>
> He gripped my shoulder and smiled, then reached toward the elevator's glowing, ivory colored button, framed by polished brass.
>
> The path most taken.
>
> Point. Click.
>
> "On second thought," he said, "I'll take the stairs."
>
> * * *
>
> Wayne,
> N6KR
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From n8cep.keith at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 23:00:59 2020
From: n8cep.keith at gmail.com (Keith Hamilton)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 23:00:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re[2]: K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
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OK Dave -

I will check the relays as you suggest. In troubleshooting capacitors I
messed up
C74. I pulled it off the board and sent a request to Elecraft for a
replacement.
That may solve the problem. In the meantime I will check the coils on the
K13 to K15
relays and let you know what I find.

I did not see Don's post. I will check it out. So I will be waiting a bit
to fix this problem,

73 and thanks!
Keith N8CEP

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 10:36 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com> wrote:

> Keith,
>
> I saw Don respond to this and he is right that K15 would be the common
> denominator if not for 15m. You can check to see if the coils are intact
> if you measure the resistance between pins 1 and 10 for each. It should
> be around 230 ohms or so. If you find one open or well away from that
> resistance, then it would indicate a bad coil on that relay.
>
> You can also measure the intended path through the relays for each band
> and make sure there are no unintended paths. If you can read the
> schematic, it shows the path with each relay in it's reset state. You
> would need to consult the table in Appendix B to see which relay(s) are
> active for a respective band and you can then measure the continuity of
> the intended path. You should also check any unintended paths which
> could indicate a problem.
>
> As Don stated, this is not a fun problem to find and will take some good
> debugging skills. So far, everything you've indicated seems to suggest
> the PLL oscillator and VCO circuits are working properly, but the range
> selection area is not producing the proper capacitance to allow the VCO
> to produce the proper frequency on those bands you indicated.
>
> If reading the schematic is a problem, let us know and I am sure between
> Don and myself, we can give you some step by step instructions for
> tracing through this problem.
>
> 73,
> Dave W8FGU
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: 7/13/2020 9:34:03 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re[2]: K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
>
> >---------- Forwarded message ---------
> >From: Keith Hamilton <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
> >Date: Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:19 PM
> >Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Elecraft] K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
> >To: Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com>
> >
> >
> >Dave
> >
> >Yes the frequency changes when turning the VFO knob when measuring with
> CAL
> >FCTR on TP1.
> >
> >I have checked the markings on C71, C72, C73, and C74 (C75 is not
> installed
> >yet). They are
> >all correct and I resoldered them to be sure.
> >
> >I am beginning to think I might have a bad relay K13, K14 or K15. My good
> >bands are 80,40 and
> >15 meters. My bad bands are 30,20,17,12 and 10 meters. Looking at the
> relay
> >table in appendix B
> >I am not sure which relay could be bad. How can I test them? Should I try
> >to replace them?
> >73,
> >Keith N8CEP
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:58 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >>  Ok Keith, just to make sure things are where we want on the bands that
> >>  seem to work, does the frequency change when turning the VFO knob when
> >>  measuring with CAL FCTR on TP1? If they do, then things are working ok.
> >>
> >>  For the bands that are locked at 8.28v, that is the max output from the
> >>  integrator circuit (U6B). This means that there is no lock between the
> PLL
> >>  Oscillator and the VCO circuit and the PLL chip (U4) is trying to
> drive the
> >>  varactors to provide more capacitance to the VCO circuit. The most
> likely
> >>  cause will be a misplaced capacitor in the VCO range selector (C71 -
> C75)
> >>  or a problem in the VCO circuit itself. But because this may be band
> >>  dependent, I would look first in that range selection circuit. Verify
> that
> >>  those caps are the proper values. They are easily misread and will
> cause
> >>  the type of thing you are seeing.
> >>
> >>  Also verify those varactor diodes are the proper type and in the right
> >>  places. Soldering issues are typically the leading cause of problems,
> so
> >>  check that also. If all looks right to you, you may want to signal
> trace
> >>  through that selection circuit to verify the proper relays and active
> for
> >>  the bands not working. There is a relay table in Appendix B that shows
> you
> >>  which relays are active for each band.
> >>
> >>  This is a brand new build, correct?
> >>
> >>  73,
> >>  Dave, W8FGU
> >>
> >>
> >>  On 7/13/2020 4:41:07 PM, "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>  Thanks for your help Dave!
> >>
> >>  Yes. I was able to get 6 volts on R30 by turning L30. At first the
> voltage
> >>  was too high
> >>  so I adjusted the turns on T5 by spreading the red windings further
> apart.
> >>  Then I
> >>  was able to get to 6 volts.
> >>
> >>  I did a CAL FCTR with the probe on TP1 and the frequency set to 4000,
> >>  The reading is 8912.22
> >>
> >>  73 Keith N8CEP
> >>
> >>
> >>  On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 3:59 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>>  Hi Keith,
> >>>
> >>>  Were you able to get 6v on R30 by tuning L30? Did you have to bring
> the
> >>>  voltage down or up by moving the windings on T5?
> >>>
> >>>  If you would, set the VFO to 4 MHz and do a CAL FCTR on TP1 and let me
> >>>  know what the reading is. I'm just looking for a couple of clues
> before
> >>>  we proceed.
> >>>
> >>>  73,
> >>>  Dave, W8FGU
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  On 7/13/2020 2:52:11 PM, "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  >I am having trouble with the K2 VCO alignment. I have moved the T5
> >>>  windings
> >>>  >and obtained 6 volts at the left end of R30. I then went on to the
> chart
> >>>  >(table 6-1) to measure the voltages at the listed frequencies. My
> >>>  readings
> >>>  >are ok on 80 40 and 15 meters (between 1.5 to 7.5 volts) but on
> 30,20,17
> >>>  >,12 and 10 meters the voltage is 8.29 volts and does not change.
> >>>  >
> >>>  >I have checked the solder connections of T5 and the value of C72
> (271).
> >>>  The
> >>>  >diodes D21,D22,D23, D24, D25 and D26 are correctly installed. I also
> went
> >>>  >over the solder connections of K13, K14 and K15.
> >>>  >
> >>>  >Now I'm stuck. Any help will be appreciated.
> >>>  >
> >>>  >Keioth Hamilton N8CEP
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From ve7day at telus.net  Tue Jul 14 01:52:20 2020
From: ve7day at telus.net (John)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 22:52:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 very slow to reach dialed rf output
In-Reply-To: <7aad61f5-4e3a-aa89-23f6-ea77d852b614@elecraft.com>
References: <CAFaaW6tZ4dqYY2JE5uPWbHMWaQgJSL83yJYD15nA7fVouRCLXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aad61f5-4e3a-aa89-23f6-ea77d852b614@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <4783282c-475c-ce9f-64e7-45125d750249@telus.net>


When I dial up, or down rf output, it takes in excess of 30 seconds

to reach the output level, which is much lower than requested.

3 "bars" on the rf meter.? That looks to be 20 to 25 watts.

If I readjust the level, up or down, it takes another 30+

seconds and it will not go over 3 "bars".

Anyone offer any suggestions?

Thanks.

73.

John.

ve7day.




From turnbull at net1.ie  Tue Jul 14 02:26:00 2020
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 06:26:00 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR06MB446383653CAF74F57CE8B708E7600@SN6PR06MB4463.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SN6PR06MB446383653CAF74F57CE8B708E7600@SN6PR06MB4463.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <007201d659a7$a5099f10$ef1cdd30$@net1.ie>

Dear Friends,
      Nor are SSB, RTTY and PSK the same as CW but they all serve a purpose.
Any technology which allows one to work weaker signals with lower power is
going to make DXCC easier.    Even using CW it is infinitely easier to work
DXCC on multiple bands these days than back in the fifties, well maybe I
will make an exception for the 1958 era.    There are so many aids and
radios are better.    This is a technological hobby and now the guy with the
apartment and balcony might actually work DXCC.   Viva engineering.
                              73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Dauer, Edward
Sent: Monday 13 July 2020 15:39
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
Subject: [Elecraft] "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs

I agree fully with Victor; though the difference may be even simpler:  

Making a QSO using CW is a ham doing something with a radio.  Making a QSO
with FT8 is a radio doing something for a ham.

Neither is better or worse; but they are different.

Ted, KN1CBR

------------------------------

Message: 8
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 10:41:41 +0300
From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The
	Stairs"
Message-ID: <3ac27805-0645-14c9-582f-601efd94c278 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

For me, it's simple.

When I make a CW contact, even if its total content is "ENN TU", I am
connected to history, to Jack Phillips on the Titanic, to all of the
military traffic men and airborne radio operators of WWII, to the operators
on the merchant ships on the high seas and the Great Lakes, and to all the
hams of the past, even Mr. Marconi, the first ham.

I like hearing the propagation change with my own ears and struggling to
capture an ESP-level call. I like the feel of the key and the sound of the
code. I like the idea that there is another person like me at the other end
with his or her hand on a key.

I consider myself extremely lucky to have caught the bug at a young age and
developed the skill needed to make CW as transparent to me as my mother
tongue. I see how hard it is for those who begin to learn at middle age or
older. They shouldn't give up -- it's worth it.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5
https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/__;!!NCZxaNi9jForCP_SxB
KJCA!F4lkQrp7vnWsJyPT-T7iUPs1Sk1a79YI92FbY7WOC4FPuQvWxE1lsChUamJuUgiP$
.
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From dl2ki at online.de  Tue Jul 14 02:29:41 2020
From: dl2ki at online.de (dl2ki)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 23:29:41 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2 CW key shaping
Message-ID: <1594708181809-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi,

since someone told me that there is a small "chirp" in my K2-CW signal, I
would like to check the signal visually.

How can I display the CW Key envelope as shown in the document "Elecraft K2
Keying Modification Instructions", page 1.

An oscilloscope "Tektronix 2465A" is at my disposal, but I have little
experience with measuring instruments, since I only use them occasionally.

Thank you and 73
Wolfgang
DL2KI




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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Tue Jul 14 04:00:04 2020
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:00:04 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2 CW key shaping
In-Reply-To: <1594708181809-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1594708181809-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <2a588fd1-87c8-1bbe-9dec-1cf25ee18e85@gmail.com>

A chirp can't be seen visually on an oscilloscope (well, maybe on a 
panadpter or spectrum analyzer if it is a very big one).

A chirp is a change in frequency of the transmitted signal. It is not 
the same as a click, which is a wide signal caused by too-short rise and 
fall times of the keyed envelope, or a badly shaped envelope. You can 
see the envelope shape on an oscilloscope. But the change in frequency 
caused by a chirp is very small in comparison with the frequency of the 
signal.

The way to detect a chirp is to listen to the transmitted signal on a 
second receiver. Your ear is very sensitive to changes in pitch.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
.
On 14/07/2020 9:29, dl2ki wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> since someone told me that there is a small "chirp" in my K2-CW signal, I
> would like to check the signal visually.
> 
> How can I display the CW Key envelope as shown in the document "Elecraft K2
> Keying Modification Instructions", page 1.
> 
> An oscilloscope "Tektronix 2465A" is at my disposal, but I have little
> experience with measuring instruments, since I only use them occasionally.
> 
> Thank you and 73
> Wolfgang
> DL2KI
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com  Tue Jul 14 04:15:22 2020
From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt Maguire)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 18:15:22 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2 CW key shaping
In-Reply-To: <2a588fd1-87c8-1bbe-9dec-1cf25ee18e85@gmail.com>
References: <1594708181809-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<2a588fd1-87c8-1bbe-9dec-1cf25ee18e85@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM9P-wDRcnA5qhdZT5VMRg-LTt1tzah145Sah-Rvuk_CaziEPw@mail.gmail.com>

Generally a chirp would be due to an unstable power supply, resistance in
the fuse holder, etc.. It can also be cause by poor decoupling/loading of
the oscillator circuit, but in the case of a well-designed circuit like the
K2, this would normally  only arise with misplaced components or poor
connections.

On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 at 18:01, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
wrote:

> A chirp can't be seen visually on an oscilloscope (well, maybe on a
> panadpter or spectrum analyzer if it is a very big one).
>
> A chirp is a change in frequency of the transmitted signal. It is not
> the same as a click, which is a wide signal caused by too-short rise and
> fall times of the keyed envelope, or a badly shaped envelope. You can
> see the envelope shape on an oscilloscope. But the change in frequency
> caused by a chirp is very small in comparison with the frequency of the
> signal.
>
> The way to detect a chirp is to listen to the transmitted signal on a
> second receiver. Your ear is very sensitive to changes in pitch.
>
> 73,
> Victor, 4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> Formerly K2VCO
> CWops no. 5
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
> .
> On 14/07/2020 9:29, dl2ki wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > since someone told me that there is a small "chirp" in my K2-CW signal, I
> > would like to check the signal visually.
> >
> > How can I display the CW Key envelope as shown in the document "Elecraft
> K2
> > Keying Modification Instructions", page 1.
> >
> > An oscilloscope "Tektronix 2465A" is at my disposal, but I have little
> > experience with measuring instruments, since I only use them
> occasionally.
> >
> > Thank you and 73
> > Wolfgang
> > DL2KI
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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From 73.de.ne1ee at gmail.com  Tue Jul 14 08:45:02 2020
From: 73.de.ne1ee at gmail.com (Rich NE1EE)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 08:45:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2 CW key shaping #chirp #click
Message-ID: <5f0da8e4.1c69fb81.c428c.778b@mx.google.com>

I don't have any experience with chirps, but I can add this bit.

If you can hear the change, then the change can be seen on an FFT. At least that would give a sense of whether the shift is up or down, if it is difficult to tell by listening. An FFT could also be applied to the RF, but, as Victor mentioned, the shift is small wrt the TX freq. It is NOT small wrt the decoded audio, however, which is why it was reported. So an FFT may well find it. There are different ways to get that analysis, and might not be worth the effort. One method would be to use a modern scope with FFT; another, a software scope such as the Zeitnitz scope; another might be fldigi. In the last two cases, you'd have to pipe the audio...that is the RX decoded audio...into the audio line in on a computer.

But you still have to find out why...so maybe this FFT business isn't worth the effort...because you still then have to find the /cause/, even though you now have a pretty good idea where to look.

On 2020-07-14 18:15:+1000, you wrote:
>Generally a chirp would be due to an unstable power supply, resistance in
>the fuse holder, etc.. It can also be cause by poor decoupling/loading of
>the oscillator circuit, but in the case of a well-designed circuit like the
>K2, this would normally  only arise with misplaced components or poor
>connections.
>
>On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 at 18:01, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> A chirp can't be seen visually on an oscilloscope (well, maybe on a > panadpter or spectrum analyzer if it is a very big one).
>>
>> A chirp is a change in frequency of the transmitted signal. It is not > the same as a click, which is a wide signal caused by too-short rise and > fall times of the keyed envelope, or a badly shaped envelope. You can > see the envelope shape on an oscilloscope. But the change in frequency > caused by a chirp is very small in comparison with the frequency of the > signal.
>>
>> The way to detect a chirp is to listen to the transmitted signal on a > second receiver. Your ear is very sensitive to changes in pitch.
>>
>> 73,
>> Victor, 4X6GP
>> Rehovot, Israel


~R~
72/73 de Rich NE1EE
On the banks of the Piscataqua


From david.n5dch at gmail.com  Tue Jul 14 09:18:48 2020
From: david.n5dch at gmail.com (David Herring)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 07:18:48 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 very slow to reach dialed rf output
In-Reply-To: <4783282c-475c-ce9f-64e7-45125d750249@telus.net>
References: <CAFaaW6tZ4dqYY2JE5uPWbHMWaQgJSL83yJYD15nA7fVouRCLXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aad61f5-4e3a-aa89-23f6-ea77d852b614@elecraft.com>
	<4783282c-475c-ce9f-64e7-45125d750249@telus.net>
Message-ID: <2F66947C-C5C1-4844-88FC-A8AD034569A9@gmail.com>

Sounds like your audio level it set too low.
Try adjusting that up. Don?t quote me, but if memory serves that has to be 4 bars with the 5th flickering.
A search through the archives will find that addressed many times. 
Audio too low makes the K3 ?power hunt? which is what it sounds like yours is doing.

73,
David - N5DCH



> On Jul 13, 2020, at 11:52 PM, John <ve7day at telus.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> When I dial up, or down rf output, it takes in excess of 30 seconds
> 
> to reach the output level, which is much lower than requested.
> 
> 3 "bars" on the rf meter.  That looks to be 20 to 25 watts.
> 
> If I readjust the level, up or down, it takes another 30+
> 
> seconds and it will not go over 3 "bars".
> 
> Anyone offer any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 73.
> 
> John.
> 
> ve7day.
> 
> 
> 
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From w4sc at windstream.net  Tue Jul 14 10:14:18 2020
From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 10:14:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Sub receiver intermittant failures
Message-ID: <34.D4.21811.ABDBD0F5@smtp04.aqua.bos.sync.lan>

Ray

If you have KSYN3A synthesizers installed, check for the following mod.

Ref:  KSYN3A Synthesized Installation Instructions    pp 5

https://ftp.elecraft.com/K3S/Manuals%20Downloads/E740257%20KSYN3A%20Installation%20Rev%20A6.pdf

KREF3 Output Level Modification
https://ftp.elecraft.com/K3/Mod%20Notes%20Alerts/E740278%20KREF3%20Output%20Level%20Modification.pdf

Ben  W4SC

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From ve7day at telus.net  Tue Jul 14 10:55:42 2020
From: ve7day at telus.net (John)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 07:55:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 very slow to reach dialed rf output
In-Reply-To: <2F66947C-C5C1-4844-88FC-A8AD034569A9@gmail.com>
References: <CAFaaW6tZ4dqYY2JE5uPWbHMWaQgJSL83yJYD15nA7fVouRCLXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aad61f5-4e3a-aa89-23f6-ea77d852b614@elecraft.com>
	<4783282c-475c-ce9f-64e7-45125d750249@telus.net>
	<2F66947C-C5C1-4844-88FC-A8AD034569A9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50951251-3714-b9e1-512a-9f1729a9e00c@telus.net>

Thanks to all who had suggestions.

Windows had made an update and changed audio settings.

Problem solved.

73.

John.

ve7day.


On 14/07/2020 6:18 a.m., David Herring wrote:
> Sounds like your audio level it set too low.
> Try adjusting that up. Don?t quote me, but if memory serves that has to be 4 bars with the 5th flickering.
> A search through the archives will find that addressed many times.
> Audio too low makes the K3 ?power hunt? which is what it sounds like yours is doing.
>
> 73,
> David - N5DCH
>
>
>
>> On Jul 13, 2020, at 11:52 PM, John <ve7day at telus.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> When I dial up, or down rf output, it takes in excess of 30 seconds
>>
>> to reach the output level, which is much lower than requested.
>>
>> 3 "bars" on the rf meter.  That looks to be 20 to 25 watts.
>>
>> If I readjust the level, up or down, it takes another 30+
>>
>> seconds and it will not go over 3 "bars".
>>
>> Anyone offer any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> 73.
>>
>> John.
>>
>> ve7day.
>>
>>
>>
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From pa2a at xs4all.nl  Tue Jul 14 11:23:44 2020
From: pa2a at xs4all.nl (Steef PA2A)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 17:23:44 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Replace backup battery CR2032 in a K3
Message-ID: <6f55f162f44aaa20ed25533a3d241e14@xs4all.nl>

Hi,

has anyone already changed the CR2032 backup battery in a K3? Under the 
carton cover the battery has started to oxydize but the Voltage is still 
3.06 Volts after twelve years. I guess an external 3 Volts source should 
be applied to save all settings during the replacement.

73s Steef PA2A, K3 #1184

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Tue Jul 14 11:39:39 2020
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:39:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Replace backup battery CR2032 in a K3
In-Reply-To: <6f55f162f44aaa20ed25533a3d241e14@xs4all.nl>
References: <6f55f162f44aaa20ed25533a3d241e14@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <658F7C2A-C712-48EE-9ECF-A0F8F7C07D8A@gmail.com>

The battery supports the real time clock only.  You won?t lose any other settings if you replace it.

Grant NQ5T

> On Jul 14, 2020, at 11:23 AM, Steef PA2A <pa2a at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> has anyone already changed the CR2032 backup battery in a K3? Under the carton cover the battery has started to oxydize but the Voltage is still 3.06 Volts after twelve years. I guess an external 3 Volts source should be applied to save all settings during the replacement.
> 
> 73s Steef PA2A, K3 #1184
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jul 14 12:27:06 2020
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 09:27:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs
In-Reply-To: <007201d659a7$a5099f10$ef1cdd30$@net1.ie>
References: <SN6PR06MB446383653CAF74F57CE8B708E7600@SN6PR06MB4463.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<007201d659a7$a5099f10$ef1cdd30$@net1.ie>
Message-ID: <7975cb47-3180-717c-f057-bc3743de596f@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/13/2020 11:26 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote:
> Even using CW it is infinitely easier to work
> DXCC on multiple bands these days than back in the fifties, well maybe I
> will make an exception for the 1958 era.

Except that noise levels have escalated by 20 dB since that era.

73, Jim K9YC

From esteptony at gmail.com  Tue Jul 14 12:53:08 2020
From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:53:08 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs
In-Reply-To: <007201d659a7$a5099f10$ef1cdd30$@net1.ie>
References: <SN6PR06MB446383653CAF74F57CE8B708E7600@SN6PR06MB4463.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<007201d659a7$a5099f10$ef1cdd30$@net1.ie>
Message-ID: <CACHwrmM3o3dCL=iAXPu98SFE_Yr8c7vkazGkdk6k+-RpwK8caA@mail.gmail.com>

>
>
> ...Even using CW it is infinitely easier to work
> DXCC on multiple bands these days than back in the fifties, well maybe I
> will make an exception for the 1958 era....
>
=================
Ha ha, yep. I worked DXCC as a Novice in 1957-58, all on 15 CW. It's true
that signals were popping in from all over the world at the time. But the
level and type of activity were completely different, of course. I worked
many countries still deemed to be rare via QSOs with local hams (e.g.
Johnston Island) or visiting scientists (e.g. Amsterdam Island), but only a
couple via DXpeditions (e.g. Navassa). Often you'd have an exchange of name
and qth, even with rare DX when others were waiting. You found DX by tuning
and listening, and most QSLing was via direct mail. A different world.
Now with clusters and micro-QSOs (5nn tu) you can knock off DXCC within 24
hours during a contest. Which is more fun? I dunno. Either way, hearing
your call come back from the other edge of the world can give a little jolt
of adrenaline, no matter how many times you've done it. I don't get any
jolt seeing my call on the FT8 scroll.

73,
Tony KT0NY

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Tue Jul 14 14:26:36 2020
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 14:26:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Replace backup battery CR2032 in a K3
In-Reply-To: <6f55f162f44aaa20ed25533a3d241e14@xs4all.nl>
References: <6f55f162f44aaa20ed25533a3d241e14@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <CF12B903-E57F-4F8E-9E2A-9CAFE0628715@widomaker.com>

Don?t get too excited. I?m told it only keeps the clock running. All settings are in non-volatile  memory. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 14, 2020, at 11:25 AM, Steef PA2A <pa2a at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi,
> 
> has anyone already changed the CR2032 backup battery in a K3? Under the carton cover the battery has started to oxydize but the Voltage is still 3.06 Volts after twelve years. I guess an external 3 Volts source should be applied to save all settings during the replacement.
> 
> 73s Steef PA2A, K3 #1184
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From phystad at mac.com  Tue Jul 14 14:54:41 2020
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:54:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale:  Factory-built KX2 with KXAT2 and KXPD2
Message-ID: <02BE0846-2EB8-4406-B388-1AEAA54E8359@mac.com>

Selling my factory built KX2 along with KXAT2 antenna tuner and KXPD2 paddle in a one package deal.
I am the only owner, purchased from Elecraft in March 2017.

Details:
            KX2-F Serial Number 1589
            KXAT2-F Antenna Tuner (factory installed)
            KXPD2 Precision Keyer Paddle
              (note: extra paddle spring and allen-wrench included)
            Internal Li-ion rechargeable battery pack included
            AX1 Mini-Whip Antenna with AXB1 Bipod
               (note: includes KX2GNDPLUG but not the ground wire)
               (note: 40-m band extender NOT included)
            Original Elecraft KX2 Owner?s Manual
            Fred Cady?s ?The Elecraft KX2? book (spiral bound)



Original prices:  KX2-F $749.95, KXAT2-F $179.95, KXPD2 paddle $109.95, Fred Cady Book $40.00,
                        plus cost for AX2, AXB1, but I can?t find my invoice for that so $-amount not given.
                        [with the AX1 etc, original price around $1200].

Selling for: $700 with shipment CONUS shipment included.

If interested, please direct e-mails to me directly at phystad at mac.com <mailto:phystad at mac.com>

73, phil, K7PEH


From w5sv.dave at gmail.com  Tue Jul 14 15:02:39 2020
From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 19:02:39 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 / MH2 PTT problem
Message-ID: <96397404-9661-a71e-b105-3a0cea3a2857@gmail.com>

I have a new problem crop up seemingly with the PTT on my MH2 / K3 
setup; sometimes it works fine, but might drop out in the middle of a 
transmission, with the K3 display momentarily displaying (it flashes by 
pretty fast) something about PTT Problem...

I am trying to figure out if there is anything to check besides taking 
the microphone apart and cleaning/de-oxing it.

Any hints would be welcome.

73 de Dave, W5SV


From pa2a at xs4all.nl  Tue Jul 14 16:05:24 2020
From: pa2a at xs4all.nl (Steef PA2A)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 22:05:24 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Replace backup battery CR2032 in a K3
In-Reply-To: <658F7C2A-C712-48EE-9ECF-A0F8F7C07D8A@gmail.com>
References: <6f55f162f44aaa20ed25533a3d241e14@xs4all.nl>
	<658F7C2A-C712-48EE-9ECF-A0F8F7C07D8A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0566f360535f7651496c252dd27581a5@xs4all.nl>

Grant,

thanks! I did not know that, or had already forgotten this twelve years 
after assembling the rig. I was also thinking that a backup and restore 
of the settings would be sufficient. I am going to replace it soon.

73s Steef PA2A

Grant Youngman schreef op 2020-07-14 17:39:

The battery supports the real time clock only.  You won?t lose any other 
settings if you replace it.

Grant NQ5T

On Jul 14, 2020, at 11:23 AM, Steef PA2A <pa2a at xs4all.nl> wrote:

Hi,

has anyone already changed the CR2032 backup battery in a K3? Under the 
carton cover the battery has started to oxydize but the Voltage is still 
3.06 Volts after twelve years. I guess an external 3 Volts source should 
be applied to save all settings during the replacement.

73s Steef PA2A, K3 #1184

From k2asp at kanafi.org  Tue Jul 14 16:22:01 2020
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 13:22:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Interfacing a DTMF Pad
Message-ID: <1dde0f4d-bbbf-17aa-ddba-d995ed6670a6@kanafi.org>


I need to interface a DTMF pad to the mic input for special-purpose
signaling but  I have not yet found a desk mic that has DTMF capability
built-in. Has anyone had any experience doing  that?  If an external pad
is required (I have one floating around here somewhere), how can it be
done?    Will a simple Y connection suffice?

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

From phystad at mac.com  Tue Jul 14 17:52:39 2020
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 14:52:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale:  Factory-built KX2 with KXAT2 and KXPD2
In-Reply-To: <02BE0846-2EB8-4406-B388-1AEAA54E8359@mac.com>
References: <02BE0846-2EB8-4406-B388-1AEAA54E8359@mac.com>
Message-ID: <3851638A-511E-4ED9-820A-0D76BB788376@mac.com>

KX2 package has been sold.  

phil

> On Jul 14, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Phil Hystad via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Selling my factory built KX2 along with KXAT2 antenna tuner and KXPD2 paddle in a one package deal.
> I am the only owner, purchased from Elecraft in March 2017.
> 
> Details:
>            KX2-F Serial Number 1589
>            KXAT2-F Antenna Tuner (factory installed)
>            KXPD2 Precision Keyer Paddle
>              (note: extra paddle spring and allen-wrench included)
>            Internal Li-ion rechargeable battery pack included
>            AX1 Mini-Whip Antenna with AXB1 Bipod
>               (note: includes KX2GNDPLUG but not the ground wire)
>               (note: 40-m band extender NOT included)
>            Original Elecraft KX2 Owner?s Manual
>            Fred Cady?s ?The Elecraft KX2? book (spiral bound)
> 
> 
> 
> Original prices:  KX2-F $749.95, KXAT2-F $179.95, KXPD2 paddle $109.95, Fred Cady Book $40.00,
>                        plus cost for AX2, AXB1, but I can?t find my invoice for that so $-amount not given.
>                        [with the AX1 etc, original price around $1200].
> 
> Selling for: $700 with shipment CONUS shipment included.
> 
> If interested, please direct e-mails to me directly at phystad at mac.com <mailto:phystad at mac.com>
> 
> 73, phil, K7PEH
> 
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Jul 14 17:54:38 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 17:54:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Interfacing a DTMF Pad
In-Reply-To: <1dde0f4d-bbbf-17aa-ddba-d995ed6670a6@kanafi.org>
References: <1dde0f4d-bbbf-17aa-ddba-d995ed6670a6@kanafi.org>
Message-ID: <7fed0cef-ca37-1e83-c148-55ac37797a8e@embarqmail.com>

Phil,

The only problem with a simple Y connection is that the mic will be 
'live' when using the DTMF pad.
If you need an attenuator, try a 100k in series with the cable and a 10k 
from the line to ground.  Those values are high enough not to interfere 
with the mic.  Adjust the value of the 100k so you just light the ALC 
one bar.

You may have to turn compression off if you do not get a clear DTMF 
signal out of the RF.

The alternative is to get a DTMF microphone and rewire its plug to match 
your K2 mic configuration.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/14/2020 4:22 PM, Phil Kane wrote:
> 
> I need to interface a DTMF pad to the mic input for special-purpose
> signaling but  I have not yet found a desk mic that has DTMF capability
> built-in. Has anyone had any experience doing  that?  If an external pad
> is required (I have one floating around here somewhere), how can it be
> done?    Will a simple Y connection suffice?
> 

From h3cary at gmail.com  Tue Jul 14 18:17:47 2020
From: h3cary at gmail.com (Hunsdon Cary III)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 18:17:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500, too?
Message-ID: <9F14F6A8-D736-4E8D-A88D-1EE09CFF86EA@gmail.com>

Perhaps KV5J can come up with an amplifier monitor for the KPA-1500, too?  Hope so!
K4TM 

Sent from Clovelly Cottage II, home of amateur radio station K4TM and the most creative Sue Cary, in the foothills of the beautiful Blue Ridge mountains of Virginia. 

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>   1. Very pleased with KV5J Digital Display Unit for the    Elecraft
>      KPA500 (Macy monkeys)
>   2. Fwd: Re[2]:  K2 7747 VCO alignment problem (Keith Hamilton)
>   3. Re: FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
>      (Robert Hand)
>   4. Re: Fwd: Re[2]: K2 7747 VCO alignment problem (Dave Van Wallaghen)
>   5. Re: "On second thought, I'll take the stairs." (Kurt Pawlikowski)
>   6. Re: Fwd: Re[2]: K2 7747 VCO alignment problem (Keith Hamilton)
>   7. K3 very slow to reach dialed rf output (John)
>   8. Re: "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs (Doug Turnbull)
>   9. Elecraft K2 CW key shaping (dl2ki)
>  10. Re: Elecraft K2 CW key shaping (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
>  11. Re: Elecraft K2 CW key shaping (Matt Maguire)
>  12. Re: Elecraft K2 CW key shaping #chirp #click (Rich NE1EE)
>  13. Re: K3 very slow to reach dialed rf output (David Herring)
>  14. Re: [K3] Sub receiver intermittant failures (w4sc)
>  15. Re: K3 very slow to reach dialed rf output (John)
>  16. Replace backup battery CR2032 in a K3 (Steef PA2A)
>  17. Re: Replace backup battery CR2032 in a K3 (Grant Youngman)
>  18. Re: "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs (Jim Brown)
>  19. Re: "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs (Tony Estep)
>  20. Re: Replace backup battery CR2032 in a K3 (Nr4c)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:05:31 -0700
> From: Macy monkeys <macymonkeys at charter.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Very pleased with KV5J Digital Display Unit for
>    the    Elecraft KPA500
> Message-ID: <484D78AA-7E8E-4C6A-802B-4BC0DC3B502B at charter.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
> 
> 
> I just finished hooking up the remote KV5J DDU for my KPA500. It arrived today via USPS extremely well packed. Hook up was a snap. The unit does exactly what Keith says it does. And it looks terrific! The display is not too bright, not too dim. Perfect! It is very professional looking in a stout metal housing. Keith was quick to answer my emails. 
> 
> Very pleased! I have no connection to Keith or his products other than being a satisfied customer.
> 
> John K7FD
> 
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2020, at 3:04 PM, Macy monkeys <macymonkeys at charter.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I purchased it exactly for those reasons; my KPA500 is on a shelf under my operating desk. The DDU will enable me to see what I can't easily see now. Perfect solution.
>> 
>> And yes, my DDU arrived today and I will soon give it a shakedown cruise...
>> 
>> John K7FD
>> 
>>>> On Jul 13, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Keith Ennis via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Andy,
>>> 
>>> It's design was not to replace the KPA500 utility if that is what you want
>>> to use.  It was designed to show the 5 most often used readings from the
>>> front panel that can only be seen one at a time.
>>> 
>>> Plus it does not use any PC resources.  Monitor space is limited to most
>>> operators.  Same with com ports.
>>> 
>>> Place the KPA500 wherever you want and place the DDU next to your radio.
>>> Saves on heat, noise and desktop space.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your input.73
>>> 
>>> Keith,KV5J
>>> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 21:34:03 -0400
> From: Keith Hamilton <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re[2]:  K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
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> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Keith Hamilton <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:19 PM
> Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Elecraft] K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
> To: Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com>
> 
> 
> Dave
> 
> Yes the frequency changes when turning the VFO knob when measuring with CAL
> FCTR on TP1.
> 
> I have checked the markings on C71, C72, C73, and C74 (C75 is not installed
> yet). They are
> all correct and I resoldered them to be sure.
> 
> I am beginning to think I might have a bad relay K13, K14 or K15. My good
> bands are 80,40 and
> 15 meters. My bad bands are 30,20,17,12 and 10 meters. Looking at the relay
> table in appendix B
> I am not sure which relay could be bad. How can I test them? Should I try
> to replace them?
> 73,
> Keith N8CEP
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:58 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Ok Keith, just to make sure things are where we want on the bands that
>> seem to work, does the frequency change when turning the VFO knob when
>> measuring with CAL FCTR on TP1? If they do, then things are working ok.
>> 
>> For the bands that are locked at 8.28v, that is the max output from the
>> integrator circuit (U6B). This means that there is no lock between the PLL
>> Oscillator and the VCO circuit and the PLL chip (U4) is trying to drive the
>> varactors to provide more capacitance to the VCO circuit. The most likely
>> cause will be a misplaced capacitor in the VCO range selector (C71 - C75)
>> or a problem in the VCO circuit itself. But because this may be band
>> dependent, I would look first in that range selection circuit. Verify that
>> those caps are the proper values. They are easily misread and will cause
>> the type of thing you are seeing.
>> 
>> Also verify those varactor diodes are the proper type and in the right
>> places. Soldering issues are typically the leading cause of problems, so
>> check that also. If all looks right to you, you may want to signal trace
>> through that selection circuit to verify the proper relays and active for
>> the bands not working. There is a relay table in Appendix B that shows you
>> which relays are active for each band.
>> 
>> This is a brand new build, correct?
>> 
>> 73,
>> Dave, W8FGU
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/13/2020 4:41:07 PM, "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for your help Dave!
>> 
>> Yes. I was able to get 6 volts on R30 by turning L30. At first the voltage
>> was too high
>> so I adjusted the turns on T5 by spreading the red windings further apart.
>> Then I
>> was able to get to 6 volts.
>> 
>> I did a CAL FCTR with the probe on TP1 and the frequency set to 4000,
>> The reading is 8912.22
>> 
>> 73 Keith N8CEP
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 3:59 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Keith,
>>> 
>>> Were you able to get 6v on R30 by tuning L30? Did you have to bring the
>>> voltage down or up by moving the windings on T5?
>>> 
>>> If you would, set the VFO to 4 MHz and do a CAL FCTR on TP1 and let me
>>> know what the reading is. I'm just looking for a couple of clues before
>>> we proceed.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Dave, W8FGU
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 7/13/2020 2:52:11 PM, "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I am having trouble with the K2 VCO alignment. I have moved the T5
>>> windings
>>>> and obtained 6 volts at the left end of R30. I then went on to the chart
>>>> (table 6-1) to measure the voltages at the listed frequencies. My
>>> readings
>>>> are ok on 80 40 and 15 meters (between 1.5 to 7.5 volts) but on 30,20,17
>>>> ,12 and 10 meters the voltage is 8.29 volts and does not change.
>>>> 
>>>> I have checked the solder connections of T5 and the value of C72 (271).
>>> The
>>>> diodes D21,D22,D23, D24, D25 and D26 are correctly installed. I also went
>>>> over the solder connections of K13, K14 and K15.
>>>> 
>>>> Now I'm stuck. Any help will be appreciated.
>>>> 
>>>> Keioth Hamilton N8CEP
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 01:48:37 +0000
> From: Robert Hand <robertkhand at hotmail.com>
> To: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>,
>    "jim at rhodesend.net" <jim at rhodesend.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The
>    Stairs"
> Message-ID:
>    <DM6PR06MB38209EA4ADCD8F4B49F7CC15BB610 at DM6PR06MB3820.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
>    
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> I still say, ?appliance operator ?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I didn't notice myself "denigrating" anything or "talking down" to anyone. I explained why I like CW, even though other modes have their own advantages.
>> 
>> Regarding "increasing knowledge" and "innovating," I suspect that 90% of the guys pointing and clicking their way to DXCC with K1JT's code couldn't explain how it works.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Victor, 4X6GP
>> Rehovot, Israel
>> Formerly K2VCO
>> CWops no. 5
>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>> .
>>>> On 13/07/2020 23:11, Jim Rhodes wrote:
>>> Connecting to history and making history are not the same thing. Doing things the same way they were done a hundred years ago may make a "connection" for you. But hams are supposed to innovate,  invent and increase the knowledge. So you buy or build equipment with way more ability than to send simple CW, so you can do simple CW? Yes, CW is great stuff, but it sure isn't innovative, nor does in increase the knowledge of communication. As a group we should encourage others to explore new communications systems, not denigrate them as "not REAL HAM RADIO". Some of you people should be ashamed of yourselves for your attitudes. We do not want Amateur Radio to die with our generation, so we should encourage new folks to do new things, not talk down to them because they don't choose to spend 99% of their operating time pounding brass. They don't give you static about taking up bandwidth with your ancient operating mode, why hassle them because they can make Qs below the noise leve
> l. Oh yes, my DXCC certificate says "Mixed" on it. I quit counting when I got that.
>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 03:25 Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com <mailto:k2vco.vic at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>   Actually, I'm building a regenerative receiver now. I have to use JFETs
>>>   because I got rid of all my tube stuff due to lack of room. But of
>>>   course I will continue to benefit from the DSP in my K3, and its keyer
>>>   (although I have a bug that I use once in a while).
>>>   But those things don't take away the connection to history, they
>>>   make it
>>>   better. The point for me isn't to use the same gear as they did in
>>>   1912,
>>>   but to enter the Morse space as they did. If I can do it with equipment
>>>   that is more stable and effective, so much the better.
>>>   After all, a modern sailboat is very much more sophisticated than an
>>>   old
>>>   one, but sailing is still sailing.
>>>   73,
>>>   Victor, 4X6GP
>>>   Rehovot, Israel
>>>   Formerly K2VCO
>>>   CWops no. 5
>>>   http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 02:35:36 +0000
> From: "Dave Van Wallaghen" <dave at w8fgu.com>
> To: "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re[2]: K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
> Message-ID: <em385dd5fe-747a-45c7-91aa-6be7eb9502cb at desktop-lqvflms>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8
> 
> Keith,
> 
> I saw Don respond to this and he is right that K15 would be the common 
> denominator if not for 15m. You can check to see if the coils are intact 
> if you measure the resistance between pins 1 and 10 for each. It should 
> be around 230 ohms or so. If you find one open or well away from that 
> resistance, then it would indicate a bad coil on that relay.
> 
> You can also measure the intended path through the relays for each band 
> and make sure there are no unintended paths. If you can read the 
> schematic, it shows the path with each relay in it's reset state. You 
> would need to consult the table in Appendix B to see which relay(s) are 
> active for a respective band and you can then measure the continuity of 
> the intended path. You should also check any unintended paths which 
> could indicate a problem.
> 
> As Don stated, this is not a fun problem to find and will take some good 
> debugging skills. So far, everything you've indicated seems to suggest 
> the PLL oscillator and VCO circuits are working properly, but the range 
> selection area is not producing the proper capacitance to allow the VCO 
> to produce the proper frequency on those bands you indicated.
> 
> If reading the schematic is a problem, let us know and I am sure between 
> Don and myself, we can give you some step by step instructions for 
> tracing through this problem.
> 
> 73,
> Dave W8FGU
> 
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: 7/13/2020 9:34:03 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re[2]: K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
> 
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Keith Hamilton <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
>> Date: Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Elecraft] K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
>> To: Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com>
>> 
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> Yes the frequency changes when turning the VFO knob when measuring with CAL
>> FCTR on TP1.
>> 
>> I have checked the markings on C71, C72, C73, and C74 (C75 is not installed
>> yet). They are
>> all correct and I resoldered them to be sure.
>> 
>> I am beginning to think I might have a bad relay K13, K14 or K15. My good
>> bands are 80,40 and
>> 15 meters. My bad bands are 30,20,17,12 and 10 meters. Looking at the relay
>> table in appendix B
>> I am not sure which relay could be bad. How can I test them? Should I try
>> to replace them?
>> 73,
>> Keith N8CEP
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:58 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ok Keith, just to make sure things are where we want on the bands that
>>> seem to work, does the frequency change when turning the VFO knob when
>>> measuring with CAL FCTR on TP1? If they do, then things are working ok.
>>> 
>>> For the bands that are locked at 8.28v, that is the max output from the
>>> integrator circuit (U6B). This means that there is no lock between the PLL
>>> Oscillator and the VCO circuit and the PLL chip (U4) is trying to drive the
>>> varactors to provide more capacitance to the VCO circuit. The most likely
>>> cause will be a misplaced capacitor in the VCO range selector (C71 - C75)
>>> or a problem in the VCO circuit itself. But because this may be band
>>> dependent, I would look first in that range selection circuit. Verify that
>>> those caps are the proper values. They are easily misread and will cause
>>> the type of thing you are seeing.
>>> 
>>> Also verify those varactor diodes are the proper type and in the right
>>> places. Soldering issues are typically the leading cause of problems, so
>>> check that also. If all looks right to you, you may want to signal trace
>>> through that selection circuit to verify the proper relays and active for
>>> the bands not working. There is a relay table in Appendix B that shows you
>>> which relays are active for each band.
>>> 
>>> This is a brand new build, correct?
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Dave, W8FGU
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 7/13/2020 4:41:07 PM, "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your help Dave!
>>> 
>>> Yes. I was able to get 6 volts on R30 by turning L30. At first the voltage
>>> was too high
>>> so I adjusted the turns on T5 by spreading the red windings further apart.
>>> Then I
>>> was able to get to 6 volts.
>>> 
>>> I did a CAL FCTR with the probe on TP1 and the frequency set to 4000,
>>> The reading is 8912.22
>>> 
>>> 73 Keith N8CEP
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 3:59 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Keith,
>>>> 
>>>> Were you able to get 6v on R30 by tuning L30? Did you have to bring the
>>>> voltage down or up by moving the windings on T5?
>>>> 
>>>> If you would, set the VFO to 4 MHz and do a CAL FCTR on TP1 and let me
>>>> know what the reading is. I'm just looking for a couple of clues before
>>>> we proceed.
>>>> 
>>>> 73,
>>>> Dave, W8FGU
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 7/13/2020 2:52:11 PM, "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I am having trouble with the K2 VCO alignment. I have moved the T5
>>>> windings
>>>>> and obtained 6 volts at the left end of R30. I then went on to the chart
>>>>> (table 6-1) to measure the voltages at the listed frequencies. My
>>>> readings
>>>>> are ok on 80 40 and 15 meters (between 1.5 to 7.5 volts) but on 30,20,17
>>>>> ,12 and 10 meters the voltage is 8.29 volts and does not change.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have checked the solder connections of T5 and the value of C72 (271).
>>>> The
>>>>> diodes D21,D22,D23, D24, D25 and D26 are correctly installed. I also went
>>>>> over the solder connections of K13, K14 and K15.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now I'm stuck. Any help will be appreciated.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Keioth Hamilton N8CEP
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 21:47:01 -0500
> From: Kurt Pawlikowski <kurtt at pinrod.com>
> To: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>,    Elecraft Reflector
>    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
> Message-ID: <8940012b-cea2-7e67-032f-52007cc5fe86 at pinrod.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Wayne: Would you mind if I forwarded this to our ham newsletter editor 
> for reprint? Thanks! k WB9FMC
> 
>> On 7/12/2020 10:07 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> I have a friend about my age who got into amateur radio only a few years ago. Like many of us, he was enthusiastic about the technology. Intrigued with DX.
>> 
>> I showed him my station; we talked endlessly about gear. Later, I helped him put up a simple wire antenna.
>> 
>> Then, when his license arrived, he dove straight into FT8 and didn't look back. Within days, he'd worked all states, then DXCC. He'd bag a few rare ones over a light lunch, then pat his laptop on the back and congratulate his software app for its near-mythical ability to extract weak signals out of noise.
>> 
>> Within weeks, he'd mastered everything there was to know about this glorious new hobby.
>> 
>> Point. Click.
>> 
>> In this new world order, those of us who took the longer, slower path to ionospheric enlightenment -- and who still occasionally enjoy making waves by hand -- often fail to explain why.
>> 
>> I had failed to explain it to my friend. Even as hints of his boredom crept in, creating an opening, the best argument I'd made for trying CW was that he could do it without a computer. Coming in a weak second was the notion that CW was the original digital mode. For obvious reasons, I didn't bother with the classic argument about CW's signal-to-noise advantage over SSB.
>> 
>> I had all but given up.
>> 
>> Then, in a moment of delayed clarity, I decided on a different approach. I invited him to a weekday brunch. A bit of an escape. He willingly took the bait.
>> 
>> On the appointed day, arriving at his workplace, I bypassed the lobby's glistening elevators and climbed the four flights of stairs to his office. I insisted we take the stairs down, too.
>> 
>> "Why?" he asked. "And how'd you get up here so fast?"
>> 
>> I pointed out that I always chose stairs, when possible. That's why I wasn't out of breath. We hustled down, jockeying for position, and emerged on the ground floor invigorated by the effort.
>> 
>> "So, where are we going?" he asked. We'd been to every overrated twenty-dollar burger venue at least twice.
>> 
>> I replied that we'd be going someplace we'd never tried. My kitchen.
>> 
>> When we arrived, I put him to work chopping onions and broccoli and squeezing oranges while I whipped eggs into a froth and grated Swiss cheese. We ate our omelettes outside, in full sun and a cool breeze.
>> 
>> "What's for desert?" he asked. "Isn't there a frozen yogurt place a two-minute drive from here?"
>> 
>> I had something else in mind. Back in the kitchen, I handed him a water bottle, then strapped on a small pack I'd prepared earlier.
>> 
>> We walked a mile or so through my neighborhood, admiring the houses' varied architecture, ending up (as planned) at a local park festooned with blackberry bushes. The most accessible branches had been picked clean, but with teamwork and persistence we were able to gather several large handfuls of fat, ripe berries, which we devoured on the spot.
>> 
>> We'd been poked and scratched but didn't care.
>> 
>> "Doesn't brunch usually end with champagne?" he wondered aloud, admiring his wounds.
>> 
>> Not this time. I pulled out two bottles of craft beer that I'd obtained from a neighbor in trade for repairing his ancient home stereo. Carlos had spent years crafting an American pilsner to die for, sweating every detail, including iconic, hand-painted labels.
>> 
>> My friend accepted the bottle, then tried in vain to remove the cap. Not a twist-off.
>> 
>> "Opener?" he said.
>> 
>> I handed him a small pocket knife, an antique without specialty blades. He soon discovered it could not be used to remove the cap directly. He looked at me with a bemused expression, no doubt wondering what I had up my sleeve this time.
>> 
>> I pointed out that we were surrounded by white oaks, a species known for its hard wood. He got the message, smiled, and began hunting. Within seconds he'd collected a small fallen branch. I watched as he used the knife to fashion a few inches of it into a passable bottle opener. We popped the caps, toasted his new-found skill, and traded stories of our misspent youths.
>> 
>> "Oh, one more thing," I said.
>> 
>> I pulled a KX2 out of my pack, along with two lengths of wire. Of course he knew everything there was to know about Elecraft, and me, so he wasn't surprised when I also pulled out the rig's attachable keyer paddle. We threw one wire in the closest tree and laid the other on the ground.
>> 
>> He didn't have to ask whether I'd brought a laptop.
>> 
>> We listened to CW signals up and down 20 meters, which was open to Europe at the time. As he tuned in each station, I copied for him using pencil and paper. He'd learned Morse code, but only at very slow speeds.
>> 
>> After making a contact, I set the internal keyer speed to 10 words per minute and dialed power output to zero, for practice purposes, then showed him how to use the paddle. He smiled as he got the hang of it. Sending the full alphabet was a challenge, but he got there. The KX2 decoded and displayed his keying, providing confirmation.
>> 
>> We'd blown through his allotted lunch break by a factor of three, so it was time to go. We coiled up the antenna wires, packed up, and walked back. As I drove him back to his employer, we made plans to get together again for a weekend hike.
>> 
>> I could have just dropped him off, but we went back into the lobby together. Out of habit, he stopped in front of the elevator. Then he looked up.
>> 
>> "OK," he said. "I get it. This CW thing. It's slow, it's hard to do well, and it takes years of practice."
>> 
>> "Like hunting for your own food, or carving your own tools," I added.
>> 
>> "Or cooking from scratch. Or brewing your own beer. Building your own radio. And you use more of your senses. Not just your eyes, but your ears. Your sense of touch."
>> 
>> I nodded. Listening. Feeling. That was the radio I'd grown up with.
>> 
>> "Of course it's harder to work DX with CW than with FT8," I reminded him, playing devil's advocate.
>> 
>> "Is that what matters, though?" he asked.
>> 
>> A longer discussion for another day.
>> 
>> "Your call," I said.
>> 
>> He gripped my shoulder and smiled, then reached toward the elevator's glowing, ivory colored button, framed by polished brass.
>> 
>> The path most taken.
>> 
>> Point. Click.
>> 
>> "On second thought," he said, "I'll take the stairs."
>> 
>> * * *
>> 
>> Wayne,
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 23:00:59 -0400
> From: Keith Hamilton <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
> To: Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re[2]: K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> OK Dave -
> 
> I will check the relays as you suggest. In troubleshooting capacitors I
> messed up
> C74. I pulled it off the board and sent a request to Elecraft for a
> replacement.
> That may solve the problem. In the meantime I will check the coils on the
> K13 to K15
> relays and let you know what I find.
> 
> I did not see Don's post. I will check it out. So I will be waiting a bit
> to fix this problem,
> 
> 73 and thanks!
> Keith N8CEP
> 
>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 10:36 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Keith,
>> 
>> I saw Don respond to this and he is right that K15 would be the common
>> denominator if not for 15m. You can check to see if the coils are intact
>> if you measure the resistance between pins 1 and 10 for each. It should
>> be around 230 ohms or so. If you find one open or well away from that
>> resistance, then it would indicate a bad coil on that relay.
>> 
>> You can also measure the intended path through the relays for each band
>> and make sure there are no unintended paths. If you can read the
>> schematic, it shows the path with each relay in it's reset state. You
>> would need to consult the table in Appendix B to see which relay(s) are
>> active for a respective band and you can then measure the continuity of
>> the intended path. You should also check any unintended paths which
>> could indicate a problem.
>> 
>> As Don stated, this is not a fun problem to find and will take some good
>> debugging skills. So far, everything you've indicated seems to suggest
>> the PLL oscillator and VCO circuits are working properly, but the range
>> selection area is not producing the proper capacitance to allow the VCO
>> to produce the proper frequency on those bands you indicated.
>> 
>> If reading the schematic is a problem, let us know and I am sure between
>> Don and myself, we can give you some step by step instructions for
>> tracing through this problem.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Dave W8FGU
>> 
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Sent: 7/13/2020 9:34:03 PM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re[2]: K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
>> 
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: Keith Hamilton <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:19 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Elecraft] K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
>>> To: Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> Yes the frequency changes when turning the VFO knob when measuring with
>> CAL
>>> FCTR on TP1.
>>> 
>>> I have checked the markings on C71, C72, C73, and C74 (C75 is not
>> installed
>>> yet). They are
>>> all correct and I resoldered them to be sure.
>>> 
>>> I am beginning to think I might have a bad relay K13, K14 or K15. My good
>>> bands are 80,40 and
>>> 15 meters. My bad bands are 30,20,17,12 and 10 meters. Looking at the
>> relay
>>> table in appendix B
>>> I am not sure which relay could be bad. How can I test them? Should I try
>>> to replace them?
>>> 73,
>>> Keith N8CEP
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:58 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Ok Keith, just to make sure things are where we want on the bands that
>>>> seem to work, does the frequency change when turning the VFO knob when
>>>> measuring with CAL FCTR on TP1? If they do, then things are working ok.
>>>> 
>>>> For the bands that are locked at 8.28v, that is the max output from the
>>>> integrator circuit (U6B). This means that there is no lock between the
>> PLL
>>>> Oscillator and the VCO circuit and the PLL chip (U4) is trying to
>> drive the
>>>> varactors to provide more capacitance to the VCO circuit. The most
>> likely
>>>> cause will be a misplaced capacitor in the VCO range selector (C71 -
>> C75)
>>>> or a problem in the VCO circuit itself. But because this may be band
>>>> dependent, I would look first in that range selection circuit. Verify
>> that
>>>> those caps are the proper values. They are easily misread and will
>> cause
>>>> the type of thing you are seeing.
>>>> 
>>>> Also verify those varactor diodes are the proper type and in the right
>>>> places. Soldering issues are typically the leading cause of problems,
>> so
>>>> check that also. If all looks right to you, you may want to signal
>> trace
>>>> through that selection circuit to verify the proper relays and active
>> for
>>>> the bands not working. There is a relay table in Appendix B that shows
>> you
>>>> which relays are active for each band.
>>>> 
>>>> This is a brand new build, correct?
>>>> 
>>>> 73,
>>>> Dave, W8FGU
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 7/13/2020 4:41:07 PM, "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for your help Dave!
>>>> 
>>>> Yes. I was able to get 6 volts on R30 by turning L30. At first the
>> voltage
>>>> was too high
>>>> so I adjusted the turns on T5 by spreading the red windings further
>> apart.
>>>> Then I
>>>> was able to get to 6 volts.
>>>> 
>>>> I did a CAL FCTR with the probe on TP1 and the frequency set to 4000,
>>>> The reading is 8912.22
>>>> 
>>>> 73 Keith N8CEP
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 3:59 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Keith,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Were you able to get 6v on R30 by tuning L30? Did you have to bring
>> the
>>>>> voltage down or up by moving the windings on T5?
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you would, set the VFO to 4 MHz and do a CAL FCTR on TP1 and let me
>>>>> know what the reading is. I'm just looking for a couple of clues
>> before
>>>>> we proceed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Dave, W8FGU
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 7/13/2020 2:52:11 PM, "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am having trouble with the K2 VCO alignment. I have moved the T5
>>>>> windings
>>>>>> and obtained 6 volts at the left end of R30. I then went on to the
>> chart
>>>>>> (table 6-1) to measure the voltages at the listed frequencies. My
>>>>> readings
>>>>>> are ok on 80 40 and 15 meters (between 1.5 to 7.5 volts) but on
>> 30,20,17
>>>>>> ,12 and 10 meters the voltage is 8.29 volts and does not change.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have checked the solder connections of T5 and the value of C72
>> (271).
>>>>> The
>>>>>> diodes D21,D22,D23, D24, D25 and D26 are correctly installed. I also
>> went
>>>>>> over the solder connections of K13, K14 and K15.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Now I'm stuck. Any help will be appreciated.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Keioth Hamilton N8CEP
>>>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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> 
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> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 22:52:20 -0700
> From: John <ve7day at telus.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 very slow to reach dialed rf output
> Message-ID: <4783282c-475c-ce9f-64e7-45125d750249 at telus.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> 
> When I dial up, or down rf output, it takes in excess of 30 seconds
> 
> to reach the output level, which is much lower than requested.
> 
> 3 "bars" on the rf meter.? That looks to be 20 to 25 watts.
> 
> If I readjust the level, up or down, it takes another 30+
> 
> seconds and it will not go over 3 "bars".
> 
> Anyone offer any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 73.
> 
> John.
> 
> ve7day.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 06:26:00 -0000
> From: "Doug Turnbull" <turnbull at net1.ie>
> To: "'Dauer, Edward'" <edauer at law.du.edu>, <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>,
>    "'Victor Rosenthal    4X6GP'" <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs
> Message-ID: <007201d659a7$a5099f10$ef1cdd30$@net1.ie>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Dear Friends,
>      Nor are SSB, RTTY and PSK the same as CW but they all serve a purpose.
> Any technology which allows one to work weaker signals with lower power is
> going to make DXCC easier.    Even using CW it is infinitely easier to work
> DXCC on multiple bands these days than back in the fifties, well maybe I
> will make an exception for the 1958 era.    There are so many aids and
> radios are better.    This is a technological hobby and now the guy with the
> apartment and balcony might actually work DXCC.   Viva engineering.
>                              73 Doug EI2CN
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
> Behalf Of Dauer, Edward
> Sent: Monday 13 July 2020 15:39
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Elecraft] "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs
> 
> I agree fully with Victor; though the difference may be even simpler:  
> 
> Making a QSO using CW is a ham doing something with a radio.  Making a QSO
> with FT8 is a radio doing something for a ham.
> 
> Neither is better or worse; but they are different.
> 
> Ted, KN1CBR
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 10:41:41 +0300
> From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The
>    Stairs"
> Message-ID: <3ac27805-0645-14c9-582f-601efd94c278 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> For me, it's simple.
> 
> When I make a CW contact, even if its total content is "ENN TU", I am
> connected to history, to Jack Phillips on the Titanic, to all of the
> military traffic men and airborne radio operators of WWII, to the operators
> on the merchant ships on the high seas and the Great Lakes, and to all the
> hams of the past, even Mr. Marconi, the first ham.
> 
> I like hearing the propagation change with my own ears and struggling to
> capture an ESP-level call. I like the feel of the key and the sound of the
> code. I like the idea that there is another person like me at the other end
> with his or her hand on a key.
> 
> I consider myself extremely lucky to have caught the bug at a young age and
> developed the skill needed to make CW as transparent to me as my mother
> tongue. I see how hard it is for those who begin to learn at middle age or
> older. They shouldn't give up -- it's worth it.
> 
> 73,
> Victor, 4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> Formerly K2VCO
> CWops no. 5
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/__;!!NCZxaNi9jForCP_SxB
> KJCA!F4lkQrp7vnWsJyPT-T7iUPs1Sk1a79YI92FbY7WOC4FPuQvWxE1lsChUamJuUgiP$
> .
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 23:29:41 -0700 (MST)
> From: dl2ki <dl2ki at online.de>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2 CW key shaping
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> Hi,
> 
> since someone told me that there is a small "chirp" in my K2-CW signal, I
> would like to check the signal visually.
> 
> How can I display the CW Key envelope as shown in the document "Elecraft K2
> Keying Modification Instructions", page 1.
> 
> An oscilloscope "Tektronix 2465A" is at my disposal, but I have little
> experience with measuring instruments, since I only use them occasionally.
> 
> Thank you and 73
> Wolfgang
> DL2KI
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:00:04 +0300
> From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2 CW key shaping
> Message-ID: <2a588fd1-87c8-1bbe-9dec-1cf25ee18e85 at gmail.com>
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> 
> A chirp can't be seen visually on an oscilloscope (well, maybe on a 
> panadpter or spectrum analyzer if it is a very big one).
> 
> A chirp is a change in frequency of the transmitted signal. It is not 
> the same as a click, which is a wide signal caused by too-short rise and 
> fall times of the keyed envelope, or a badly shaped envelope. You can 
> see the envelope shape on an oscilloscope. But the change in frequency 
> caused by a chirp is very small in comparison with the frequency of the 
> signal.
> 
> The way to detect a chirp is to listen to the transmitted signal on a 
> second receiver. Your ear is very sensitive to changes in pitch.
> 
> 73,
> Victor, 4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> Formerly K2VCO
> CWops no. 5
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
> .
>> On 14/07/2020 9:29, dl2ki wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> since someone told me that there is a small "chirp" in my K2-CW signal, I
>> would like to check the signal visually.
>> 
>> How can I display the CW Key envelope as shown in the document "Elecraft K2
>> Keying Modification Instructions", page 1.
>> 
>> An oscilloscope "Tektronix 2465A" is at my disposal, but I have little
>> experience with measuring instruments, since I only use them occasionally.
>> 
>> Thank you and 73
>> Wolfgang
>> DL2KI
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 18:15:22 +1000
> From: Matt Maguire <matt.vk2rq at gmail.com>
> To: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2 CW key shaping
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Generally a chirp would be due to an unstable power supply, resistance in
> the fuse holder, etc.. It can also be cause by poor decoupling/loading of
> the oscillator circuit, but in the case of a well-designed circuit like the
> K2, this would normally  only arise with misplaced components or poor
> connections.
> 
> On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 at 18:01, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> A chirp can't be seen visually on an oscilloscope (well, maybe on a
>> panadpter or spectrum analyzer if it is a very big one).
>> 
>> A chirp is a change in frequency of the transmitted signal. It is not
>> the same as a click, which is a wide signal caused by too-short rise and
>> fall times of the keyed envelope, or a badly shaped envelope. You can
>> see the envelope shape on an oscilloscope. But the change in frequency
>> caused by a chirp is very small in comparison with the frequency of the
>> signal.
>> 
>> The way to detect a chirp is to listen to the transmitted signal on a
>> second receiver. Your ear is very sensitive to changes in pitch.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Victor, 4X6GP
>> Rehovot, Israel
>> Formerly K2VCO
>> CWops no. 5
>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>> .
>>> On 14/07/2020 9:29, dl2ki wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> since someone told me that there is a small "chirp" in my K2-CW signal, I
>>> would like to check the signal visually.
>>> 
>>> How can I display the CW Key envelope as shown in the document "Elecraft
>> K2
>>> Keying Modification Instructions", page 1.
>>> 
>>> An oscilloscope "Tektronix 2465A" is at my disposal, but I have little
>>> experience with measuring instruments, since I only use them
>> occasionally.
>>> 
>>> Thank you and 73
>>> Wolfgang
>>> DL2KI
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 08:45:02 -0400
> From: Rich NE1EE <73.de.ne1ee at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2 CW key shaping #chirp #click
> Message-ID: <5f0da8e4.1c69fb81.c428c.778b at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> I don't have any experience with chirps, but I can add this bit.
> 
> If you can hear the change, then the change can be seen on an FFT. At least that would give a sense of whether the shift is up or down, if it is difficult to tell by listening. An FFT could also be applied to the RF, but, as Victor mentioned, the shift is small wrt the TX freq. It is NOT small wrt the decoded audio, however, which is why it was reported. So an FFT may well find it. There are different ways to get that analysis, and might not be worth the effort. One method would be to use a modern scope with FFT; another, a software scope such as the Zeitnitz scope; another might be fldigi. In the last two cases, you'd have to pipe the audio...that is the RX decoded audio...into the audio line in on a computer.
> 
> But you still have to find out why...so maybe this FFT business isn't worth the effort...because you still then have to find the /cause/, even though you now have a pretty good idea where to look.
> 
>> On 2020-07-14 18:15:+1000, you wrote:
>> Generally a chirp would be due to an unstable power supply, resistance in
>> the fuse holder, etc.. It can also be cause by poor decoupling/loading of
>> the oscillator circuit, but in the case of a well-designed circuit like the
>> K2, this would normally  only arise with misplaced components or poor
>> connections.
>> 
>> On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 at 18:01, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> A chirp can't be seen visually on an oscilloscope (well, maybe on a > panadpter or spectrum analyzer if it is a very big one).
>>> 
>>> A chirp is a change in frequency of the transmitted signal. It is not > the same as a click, which is a wide signal caused by too-short rise and > fall times of the keyed envelope, or a badly shaped envelope. You can > see the envelope shape on an oscilloscope. But the change in frequency > caused by a chirp is very small in comparison with the frequency of the > signal.
>>> 
>>> The way to detect a chirp is to listen to the transmitted signal on a > second receiver. Your ear is very sensitive to changes in pitch.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Victor, 4X6GP
>>> Rehovot, Israel
> 
> 
> ~R~
> 72/73 de Rich NE1EE
> On the banks of the Piscataqua
> 
> 
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> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 07:18:48 -0600
> From: David Herring <david.n5dch at gmail.com>
> To: John <ve7day at telus.net>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 very slow to reach dialed rf output
> Message-ID: <2F66947C-C5C1-4844-88FC-A8AD034569A9 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
> 
> Sounds like your audio level it set too low.
> Try adjusting that up. Don?t quote me, but if memory serves that has to be 4 bars with the 5th flickering.
> A search through the archives will find that addressed many times. 
> Audio too low makes the K3 ?power hunt? which is what it sounds like yours is doing.
> 
> 73,
> David - N5DCH
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2020, at 11:52 PM, John <ve7day at telus.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> When I dial up, or down rf output, it takes in excess of 30 seconds
>> 
>> to reach the output level, which is much lower than requested.
>> 
>> 3 "bars" on the rf meter.  That looks to be 20 to 25 watts.
>> 
>> If I readjust the level, up or down, it takes another 30+
>> 
>> seconds and it will not go over 3 "bars".
>> 
>> Anyone offer any suggestions?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> 73.
>> 
>> John.
>> 
>> ve7day.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 10:14:18 -0400
> From: w4sc <w4sc at windstream.net>
> To: "rayalbers at gmail.com" <rayalbers at gmail.com>,
>    "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Sub receiver intermittant failures
> Message-ID: <34.D4.21811.ABDBD0F5 at smtp04.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Ray
> 
> If you have KSYN3A synthesizers installed, check for the following mod.
> 
> Ref:  KSYN3A Synthesized Installation Instructions    pp 5
> 
> https://ftp.elecraft.com/K3S/Manuals%20Downloads/E740257%20KSYN3A%20Installation%20Rev%20A6.pdf
> 
> KREF3 Output Level Modification
> https://ftp.elecraft.com/K3/Mod%20Notes%20Alerts/E740278%20KREF3%20Output%20Level%20Modification.pdf
> 
> Ben  W4SC
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 07:55:42 -0700
> From: John <ve7day at telus.net>
> To: David Herring <david.n5dch at gmail.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 very slow to reach dialed rf output
> Message-ID: <50951251-3714-b9e1-512a-9f1729a9e00c at telus.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Thanks to all who had suggestions.
> 
> Windows had made an update and changed audio settings.
> 
> Problem solved.
> 
> 73.
> 
> John.
> 
> ve7day.
> 
> 
>> On 14/07/2020 6:18 a.m., David Herring wrote:
>> Sounds like your audio level it set too low.
>> Try adjusting that up. Don?t quote me, but if memory serves that has to be 4 bars with the 5th flickering.
>> A search through the archives will find that addressed many times.
>> Audio too low makes the K3 ?power hunt? which is what it sounds like yours is doing.
>> 
>> 73,
>> David - N5DCH
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Jul 13, 2020, at 11:52 PM, John <ve7day at telus.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> When I dial up, or down rf output, it takes in excess of 30 seconds
>>> 
>>> to reach the output level, which is much lower than requested.
>>> 
>>> 3 "bars" on the rf meter.  That looks to be 20 to 25 watts.
>>> 
>>> If I readjust the level, up or down, it takes another 30+
>>> 
>>> seconds and it will not go over 3 "bars".
>>> 
>>> Anyone offer any suggestions?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> 73.
>>> 
>>> John.
>>> 
>>> ve7day.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 17:23:44 +0200
> From: Steef PA2A <pa2a at xs4all.nl>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Replace backup battery CR2032 in a K3
> Message-ID: <6f55f162f44aaa20ed25533a3d241e14 at xs4all.nl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
> 
> Hi,
> 
> has anyone already changed the CR2032 backup battery in a K3? Under the 
> carton cover the battery has started to oxydize but the Voltage is still 
> 3.06 Volts after twelve years. I guess an external 3 Volts source should 
> be applied to save all settings during the replacement.
> 
> 73s Steef PA2A, K3 #1184
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:39:39 -0400
> From: Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com>
> To: pa2a at xs4all.nl
> Cc: Elecraft Refl <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Replace backup battery CR2032 in a K3
> Message-ID: <658F7C2A-C712-48EE-9ECF-A0F8F7C07D8A at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
> 
> The battery supports the real time clock only.  You won?t lose any other settings if you replace it.
> 
> Grant NQ5T
> 
>> On Jul 14, 2020, at 11:23 AM, Steef PA2A <pa2a at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> has anyone already changed the CR2032 backup battery in a K3? Under the carton cover the battery has started to oxydize but the Voltage is still 3.06 Volts after twelve years. I guess an external 3 Volts source should be applied to save all settings during the replacement.
>> 
>> 73s Steef PA2A, K3 #1184
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> Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 09:27:06 -0700
> From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs
> Message-ID:
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>> On 7/13/2020 11:26 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote:
>> Even using CW it is infinitely easier to work
>> DXCC on multiple bands these days than back in the fifties, well maybe I
>> will make an exception for the 1958 era.
> 
> Except that noise levels have escalated by 20 dB since that era.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:53:08 -0500
> From: Tony Estep <esteptony at gmail.com>
> To: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs
> Message-ID:
>    <CACHwrmM3o3dCL=iAXPu98SFE_Yr8c7vkazGkdk6k+-RpwK8caA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
>> 
>> 
>> ...Even using CW it is infinitely easier to work
>> DXCC on multiple bands these days than back in the fifties, well maybe I
>> will make an exception for the 1958 era....
>> 
> =================
> Ha ha, yep. I worked DXCC as a Novice in 1957-58, all on 15 CW. It's true
> that signals were popping in from all over the world at the time. But the
> level and type of activity were completely different, of course. I worked
> many countries still deemed to be rare via QSOs with local hams (e.g.
> Johnston Island) or visiting scientists (e.g. Amsterdam Island), but only a
> couple via DXpeditions (e.g. Navassa). Often you'd have an exchange of name
> and qth, even with rare DX when others were waiting. You found DX by tuning
> and listening, and most QSLing was via direct mail. A different world.
> Now with clusters and micro-QSOs (5nn tu) you can knock off DXCC within 24
> hours during a contest. Which is more fun? I dunno. Either way, hearing
> your call come back from the other edge of the world can give a little jolt
> of adrenaline, no matter how many times you've done it. I don't get any
> jolt seeing my call on the FT8 scroll.
> 
> 73,
> Tony KT0NY
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 20
> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 14:26:36 -0400
> From: Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com>
> To: pa2a at xs4all.nl
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Replace backup battery CR2032 in a K3
> Message-ID: <CF12B903-E57F-4F8E-9E2A-9CAFE0628715 at widomaker.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Don?t get too excited. I?m told it only keeps the clock running. All settings are in non-volatile  memory. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On Jul 14, 2020, at 11:25 AM, Steef PA2A <pa2a at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hi,
>> 
>> has anyone already changed the CR2032 backup battery in a K3? Under the carton cover the battery has started to oxydize but the Voltage is still 3.06 Volts after twelve years. I guess an external 3 Volts source should be applied to save all settings during the replacement.
>> 
>> 73s Steef PA2A, K3 #1184
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From rocketnj at gmail.com  Tue Jul 14 18:33:13 2020
From: rocketnj at gmail.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 18:33:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500, too?
In-Reply-To: <9F14F6A8-D736-4E8D-A88D-1EE09CFF86EA@gmail.com>
References: <9F14F6A8-D736-4E8D-A88D-1EE09CFF86EA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50685731-0598-4113-885E-C41890B2D45F@gmail.com>

I am usingga Raspberry Pi on my network to monitor and control the KPA1500 remotely. It also allows rotor control and AC power control turn turn various equipment on & off. This is accessible from any web browser, local or remote including smartphones. Definitely helps running remote.

In the shack I run it on my iPad. A picture of the dashboard can be seen at the link below.

It runs on a gui program,ing software on th e Pi called Node Red. We nave a groups.io group https://groups.io/g/nodered-hamradio
It is open to all hams and we have flows supporting various ancillary ham equipment.

I am currently writing a flow for the W2 wattmeter.

Dave wo2x

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 14, 2020, at 6:20 PM, Hunsdon Cary III <h3cary at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Perhaps KV5J can come up with an amplifier monitor for the KPA-1500, too?  Hope so!
> K4TM 
> 
> Sent from Clovelly Cottage II, home of amateur radio station K4TM and the most creative Sue Cary, in the foothills of the beautiful Blue Ridge mountains of Virginia. 
> 
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>>  1. Very pleased with KV5J Digital Display Unit for the    Elecraft
>>     KPA500 (Macy monkeys)
>>  2. Fwd: Re[2]:  K2 7747 VCO alignment problem (Keith Hamilton)
>>  3. Re: FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
>>     (Robert Hand)
>>  4. Re: Fwd: Re[2]: K2 7747 VCO alignment problem (Dave Van Wallaghen)
>>  5. Re: "On second thought, I'll take the stairs." (Kurt Pawlikowski)
>>  6. Re: Fwd: Re[2]: K2 7747 VCO alignment problem (Keith Hamilton)
>>  7. K3 very slow to reach dialed rf output (John)
>>  8. Re: "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs (Doug Turnbull)
>>  9. Elecraft K2 CW key shaping (dl2ki)
>> 10. Re: Elecraft K2 CW key shaping (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
>> 11. Re: Elecraft K2 CW key shaping (Matt Maguire)
>> 12. Re: Elecraft K2 CW key shaping #chirp #click (Rich NE1EE)
>> 13. Re: K3 very slow to reach dialed rf output (David Herring)
>> 14. Re: [K3] Sub receiver intermittant failures (w4sc)
>> 15. Re: K3 very slow to reach dialed rf output (John)
>> 16. Replace backup battery CR2032 in a K3 (Steef PA2A)
>> 17. Re: Replace backup battery CR2032 in a K3 (Grant Youngman)
>> 18. Re: "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs (Jim Brown)
>> 19. Re: "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs (Tony Estep)
>> 20. Re: Replace backup battery CR2032 in a K3 (Nr4c)
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:05:31 -0700
>> From: Macy monkeys <macymonkeys at charter.net>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Very pleased with KV5J Digital Display Unit for
>>   the    Elecraft KPA500
>> Message-ID: <484D78AA-7E8E-4C6A-802B-4BC0DC3B502B at charter.net>
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>> 
>> 
>> I just finished hooking up the remote KV5J DDU for my KPA500. It arrived today via USPS extremely well packed. Hook up was a snap. The unit does exactly what Keith says it does. And it looks terrific! The display is not too bright, not too dim. Perfect! It is very professional looking in a stout metal housing. Keith was quick to answer my emails. 
>> 
>> Very pleased! I have no connection to Keith or his products other than being a satisfied customer.
>> 
>> John K7FD
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Jul 13, 2020, at 3:04 PM, Macy monkeys <macymonkeys at charter.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I purchased it exactly for those reasons; my KPA500 is on a shelf under my operating desk. The DDU will enable me to see what I can't easily see now. Perfect solution.
>>> 
>>> And yes, my DDU arrived today and I will soon give it a shakedown cruise...
>>> 
>>> John K7FD
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 13, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Keith Ennis via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Andy,
>>>> 
>>>> It's design was not to replace the KPA500 utility if that is what you want
>>>> to use.  It was designed to show the 5 most often used readings from the
>>>> front panel that can only be seen one at a time.
>>>> 
>>>> Plus it does not use any PC resources.  Monitor space is limited to most
>>>> operators.  Same with com ports.
>>>> 
>>>> Place the KPA500 wherever you want and place the DDU next to your radio.
>>>> Saves on heat, noise and desktop space.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for your input.73
>>>> 
>>>> Keith,KV5J
>>>> 
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>> 
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 21:34:03 -0400
>> From: Keith Hamilton <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re[2]:  K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
>> Message-ID:
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>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> 
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Keith Hamilton <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
>> Date: Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Elecraft] K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
>> To: Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com>
>> 
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> Yes the frequency changes when turning the VFO knob when measuring with CAL
>> FCTR on TP1.
>> 
>> I have checked the markings on C71, C72, C73, and C74 (C75 is not installed
>> yet). They are
>> all correct and I resoldered them to be sure.
>> 
>> I am beginning to think I might have a bad relay K13, K14 or K15. My good
>> bands are 80,40 and
>> 15 meters. My bad bands are 30,20,17,12 and 10 meters. Looking at the relay
>> table in appendix B
>> I am not sure which relay could be bad. How can I test them? Should I try
>> to replace them?
>> 73,
>> Keith N8CEP
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:58 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ok Keith, just to make sure things are where we want on the bands that
>>> seem to work, does the frequency change when turning the VFO knob when
>>> measuring with CAL FCTR on TP1? If they do, then things are working ok.
>>> 
>>> For the bands that are locked at 8.28v, that is the max output from the
>>> integrator circuit (U6B). This means that there is no lock between the PLL
>>> Oscillator and the VCO circuit and the PLL chip (U4) is trying to drive the
>>> varactors to provide more capacitance to the VCO circuit. The most likely
>>> cause will be a misplaced capacitor in the VCO range selector (C71 - C75)
>>> or a problem in the VCO circuit itself. But because this may be band
>>> dependent, I would look first in that range selection circuit. Verify that
>>> those caps are the proper values. They are easily misread and will cause
>>> the type of thing you are seeing.
>>> 
>>> Also verify those varactor diodes are the proper type and in the right
>>> places. Soldering issues are typically the leading cause of problems, so
>>> check that also. If all looks right to you, you may want to signal trace
>>> through that selection circuit to verify the proper relays and active for
>>> the bands not working. There is a relay table in Appendix B that shows you
>>> which relays are active for each band.
>>> 
>>> This is a brand new build, correct?
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Dave, W8FGU
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 7/13/2020 4:41:07 PM, "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your help Dave!
>>> 
>>> Yes. I was able to get 6 volts on R30 by turning L30. At first the voltage
>>> was too high
>>> so I adjusted the turns on T5 by spreading the red windings further apart.
>>> Then I
>>> was able to get to 6 volts.
>>> 
>>> I did a CAL FCTR with the probe on TP1 and the frequency set to 4000,
>>> The reading is 8912.22
>>> 
>>> 73 Keith N8CEP
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 3:59 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Keith,
>>>> 
>>>> Were you able to get 6v on R30 by tuning L30? Did you have to bring the
>>>> voltage down or up by moving the windings on T5?
>>>> 
>>>> If you would, set the VFO to 4 MHz and do a CAL FCTR on TP1 and let me
>>>> know what the reading is. I'm just looking for a couple of clues before
>>>> we proceed.
>>>> 
>>>> 73,
>>>> Dave, W8FGU
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 7/13/2020 2:52:11 PM, "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I am having trouble with the K2 VCO alignment. I have moved the T5
>>>> windings
>>>>> and obtained 6 volts at the left end of R30. I then went on to the chart
>>>>> (table 6-1) to measure the voltages at the listed frequencies. My
>>>> readings
>>>>> are ok on 80 40 and 15 meters (between 1.5 to 7.5 volts) but on 30,20,17
>>>>> ,12 and 10 meters the voltage is 8.29 volts and does not change.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have checked the solder connections of T5 and the value of C72 (271).
>>>> The
>>>>> diodes D21,D22,D23, D24, D25 and D26 are correctly installed. I also went
>>>>> over the solder connections of K13, K14 and K15.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now I'm stuck. Any help will be appreciated.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Keioth Hamilton N8CEP
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>>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 01:48:37 +0000
>> From: Robert Hand <robertkhand at hotmail.com>
>> To: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>,
>>   "jim at rhodesend.net" <jim at rhodesend.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The
>>   Stairs"
>> Message-ID:
>>   <DM6PR06MB38209EA4ADCD8F4B49F7CC15BB610 at DM6PR06MB3820.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
>> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> I still say, ?appliance operator ?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jul 13, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?I didn't notice myself "denigrating" anything or "talking down" to anyone. I explained why I like CW, even though other modes have their own advantages.
>>> 
>>> Regarding "increasing knowledge" and "innovating," I suspect that 90% of the guys pointing and clicking their way to DXCC with K1JT's code couldn't explain how it works.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Victor, 4X6GP
>>> Rehovot, Israel
>>> Formerly K2VCO
>>> CWops no. 5
>>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>>> .
>>>>> On 13/07/2020 23:11, Jim Rhodes wrote:
>>>> Connecting to history and making history are not the same thing. Doing things the same way they were done a hundred years ago may make a "connection" for you. But hams are supposed to innovate,  invent and increase the knowledge. So you buy or build equipment with way more ability than to send simple CW, so you can do simple CW? Yes, CW is great stuff, but it sure isn't innovative, nor does in increase the knowledge of communication. As a group we should encourage others to explore new communications systems, not denigrate them as "not REAL HAM RADIO". Some of you people should be ashamed of yourselves for your attitudes. We do not want Amateur Radio to die with our generation, so we should encourage new folks to do new things, not talk down to them because they don't choose to spend 99% of their operating time pounding brass. They don't give you static about taking up bandwidth with your ancient operating mode, why hassle them because they can make Qs below the noise leve
>> l. Oh yes, my DXCC certificate says "Mixed" on it. I quit counting when I got that.
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 03:25 Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com <mailto:k2vco.vic at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>  Actually, I'm building a regenerative receiver now. I have to use JFETs
>>>>  because I got rid of all my tube stuff due to lack of room. But of
>>>>  course I will continue to benefit from the DSP in my K3, and its keyer
>>>>  (although I have a bug that I use once in a while).
>>>>  But those things don't take away the connection to history, they
>>>>  make it
>>>>  better. The point for me isn't to use the same gear as they did in
>>>>  1912,
>>>>  but to enter the Morse space as they did. If I can do it with equipment
>>>>  that is more stable and effective, so much the better.
>>>>  After all, a modern sailboat is very much more sophisticated than an
>>>>  old
>>>>  one, but sailing is still sailing.
>>>>  73,
>>>>  Victor, 4X6GP
>>>>  Rehovot, Israel
>>>>  Formerly K2VCO
>>>>  CWops no. 5
>>>>  http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
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>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 02:35:36 +0000
>> From: "Dave Van Wallaghen" <dave at w8fgu.com>
>> To: "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re[2]: K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
>> Message-ID: <em385dd5fe-747a-45c7-91aa-6be7eb9502cb at desktop-lqvflms>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8
>> 
>> Keith,
>> 
>> I saw Don respond to this and he is right that K15 would be the common 
>> denominator if not for 15m. You can check to see if the coils are intact 
>> if you measure the resistance between pins 1 and 10 for each. It should 
>> be around 230 ohms or so. If you find one open or well away from that 
>> resistance, then it would indicate a bad coil on that relay.
>> 
>> You can also measure the intended path through the relays for each band 
>> and make sure there are no unintended paths. If you can read the 
>> schematic, it shows the path with each relay in it's reset state. You 
>> would need to consult the table in Appendix B to see which relay(s) are 
>> active for a respective band and you can then measure the continuity of 
>> the intended path. You should also check any unintended paths which 
>> could indicate a problem.
>> 
>> As Don stated, this is not a fun problem to find and will take some good 
>> debugging skills. So far, everything you've indicated seems to suggest 
>> the PLL oscillator and VCO circuits are working properly, but the range 
>> selection area is not producing the proper capacitance to allow the VCO 
>> to produce the proper frequency on those bands you indicated.
>> 
>> If reading the schematic is a problem, let us know and I am sure between 
>> Don and myself, we can give you some step by step instructions for 
>> tracing through this problem.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Dave W8FGU
>> 
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Sent: 7/13/2020 9:34:03 PM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re[2]: K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
>> 
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: Keith Hamilton <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:19 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Elecraft] K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
>>> To: Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> Yes the frequency changes when turning the VFO knob when measuring with CAL
>>> FCTR on TP1.
>>> 
>>> I have checked the markings on C71, C72, C73, and C74 (C75 is not installed
>>> yet). They are
>>> all correct and I resoldered them to be sure.
>>> 
>>> I am beginning to think I might have a bad relay K13, K14 or K15. My good
>>> bands are 80,40 and
>>> 15 meters. My bad bands are 30,20,17,12 and 10 meters. Looking at the relay
>>> table in appendix B
>>> I am not sure which relay could be bad. How can I test them? Should I try
>>> to replace them?
>>> 73,
>>> Keith N8CEP
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:58 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Ok Keith, just to make sure things are where we want on the bands that
>>>> seem to work, does the frequency change when turning the VFO knob when
>>>> measuring with CAL FCTR on TP1? If they do, then things are working ok.
>>>> 
>>>> For the bands that are locked at 8.28v, that is the max output from the
>>>> integrator circuit (U6B). This means that there is no lock between the PLL
>>>> Oscillator and the VCO circuit and the PLL chip (U4) is trying to drive the
>>>> varactors to provide more capacitance to the VCO circuit. The most likely
>>>> cause will be a misplaced capacitor in the VCO range selector (C71 - C75)
>>>> or a problem in the VCO circuit itself. But because this may be band
>>>> dependent, I would look first in that range selection circuit. Verify that
>>>> those caps are the proper values. They are easily misread and will cause
>>>> the type of thing you are seeing.
>>>> 
>>>> Also verify those varactor diodes are the proper type and in the right
>>>> places. Soldering issues are typically the leading cause of problems, so
>>>> check that also. If all looks right to you, you may want to signal trace
>>>> through that selection circuit to verify the proper relays and active for
>>>> the bands not working. There is a relay table in Appendix B that shows you
>>>> which relays are active for each band.
>>>> 
>>>> This is a brand new build, correct?
>>>> 
>>>> 73,
>>>> Dave, W8FGU
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 7/13/2020 4:41:07 PM, "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for your help Dave!
>>>> 
>>>> Yes. I was able to get 6 volts on R30 by turning L30. At first the voltage
>>>> was too high
>>>> so I adjusted the turns on T5 by spreading the red windings further apart.
>>>> Then I
>>>> was able to get to 6 volts.
>>>> 
>>>> I did a CAL FCTR with the probe on TP1 and the frequency set to 4000,
>>>> The reading is 8912.22
>>>> 
>>>> 73 Keith N8CEP
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 3:59 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Keith,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Were you able to get 6v on R30 by tuning L30? Did you have to bring the
>>>>> voltage down or up by moving the windings on T5?
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you would, set the VFO to 4 MHz and do a CAL FCTR on TP1 and let me
>>>>> know what the reading is. I'm just looking for a couple of clues before
>>>>> we proceed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Dave, W8FGU
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 7/13/2020 2:52:11 PM, "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am having trouble with the K2 VCO alignment. I have moved the T5
>>>>> windings
>>>>>> and obtained 6 volts at the left end of R30. I then went on to the chart
>>>>>> (table 6-1) to measure the voltages at the listed frequencies. My
>>>>> readings
>>>>>> are ok on 80 40 and 15 meters (between 1.5 to 7.5 volts) but on 30,20,17
>>>>>> ,12 and 10 meters the voltage is 8.29 volts and does not change.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have checked the solder connections of T5 and the value of C72 (271).
>>>>> The
>>>>>> diodes D21,D22,D23, D24, D25 and D26 are correctly installed. I also went
>>>>>> over the solder connections of K13, K14 and K15.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Now I'm stuck. Any help will be appreciated.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Keioth Hamilton N8CEP
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 21:47:01 -0500
>> From: Kurt Pawlikowski <kurtt at pinrod.com>
>> To: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>,    Elecraft Reflector
>>   <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
>> Message-ID: <8940012b-cea2-7e67-032f-52007cc5fe86 at pinrod.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>> 
>> Wayne: Would you mind if I forwarded this to our ham newsletter editor 
>> for reprint? Thanks! k WB9FMC
>> 
>>>> On 7/12/2020 10:07 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>> I have a friend about my age who got into amateur radio only a few years ago. Like many of us, he was enthusiastic about the technology. Intrigued with DX.
>>> 
>>> I showed him my station; we talked endlessly about gear. Later, I helped him put up a simple wire antenna.
>>> 
>>> Then, when his license arrived, he dove straight into FT8 and didn't look back. Within days, he'd worked all states, then DXCC. He'd bag a few rare ones over a light lunch, then pat his laptop on the back and congratulate his software app for its near-mythical ability to extract weak signals out of noise.
>>> 
>>> Within weeks, he'd mastered everything there was to know about this glorious new hobby.
>>> 
>>> Point. Click.
>>> 
>>> In this new world order, those of us who took the longer, slower path to ionospheric enlightenment -- and who still occasionally enjoy making waves by hand -- often fail to explain why.
>>> 
>>> I had failed to explain it to my friend. Even as hints of his boredom crept in, creating an opening, the best argument I'd made for trying CW was that he could do it without a computer. Coming in a weak second was the notion that CW was the original digital mode. For obvious reasons, I didn't bother with the classic argument about CW's signal-to-noise advantage over SSB.
>>> 
>>> I had all but given up.
>>> 
>>> Then, in a moment of delayed clarity, I decided on a different approach. I invited him to a weekday brunch. A bit of an escape. He willingly took the bait.
>>> 
>>> On the appointed day, arriving at his workplace, I bypassed the lobby's glistening elevators and climbed the four flights of stairs to his office. I insisted we take the stairs down, too.
>>> 
>>> "Why?" he asked. "And how'd you get up here so fast?"
>>> 
>>> I pointed out that I always chose stairs, when possible. That's why I wasn't out of breath. We hustled down, jockeying for position, and emerged on the ground floor invigorated by the effort.
>>> 
>>> "So, where are we going?" he asked. We'd been to every overrated twenty-dollar burger venue at least twice.
>>> 
>>> I replied that we'd be going someplace we'd never tried. My kitchen.
>>> 
>>> When we arrived, I put him to work chopping onions and broccoli and squeezing oranges while I whipped eggs into a froth and grated Swiss cheese. We ate our omelettes outside, in full sun and a cool breeze.
>>> 
>>> "What's for desert?" he asked. "Isn't there a frozen yogurt place a two-minute drive from here?"
>>> 
>>> I had something else in mind. Back in the kitchen, I handed him a water bottle, then strapped on a small pack I'd prepared earlier.
>>> 
>>> We walked a mile or so through my neighborhood, admiring the houses' varied architecture, ending up (as planned) at a local park festooned with blackberry bushes. The most accessible branches had been picked clean, but with teamwork and persistence we were able to gather several large handfuls of fat, ripe berries, which we devoured on the spot.
>>> 
>>> We'd been poked and scratched but didn't care.
>>> 
>>> "Doesn't brunch usually end with champagne?" he wondered aloud, admiring his wounds.
>>> 
>>> Not this time. I pulled out two bottles of craft beer that I'd obtained from a neighbor in trade for repairing his ancient home stereo. Carlos had spent years crafting an American pilsner to die for, sweating every detail, including iconic, hand-painted labels.
>>> 
>>> My friend accepted the bottle, then tried in vain to remove the cap. Not a twist-off.
>>> 
>>> "Opener?" he said.
>>> 
>>> I handed him a small pocket knife, an antique without specialty blades. He soon discovered it could not be used to remove the cap directly. He looked at me with a bemused expression, no doubt wondering what I had up my sleeve this time.
>>> 
>>> I pointed out that we were surrounded by white oaks, a species known for its hard wood. He got the message, smiled, and began hunting. Within seconds he'd collected a small fallen branch. I watched as he used the knife to fashion a few inches of it into a passable bottle opener. We popped the caps, toasted his new-found skill, and traded stories of our misspent youths.
>>> 
>>> "Oh, one more thing," I said.
>>> 
>>> I pulled a KX2 out of my pack, along with two lengths of wire. Of course he knew everything there was to know about Elecraft, and me, so he wasn't surprised when I also pulled out the rig's attachable keyer paddle. We threw one wire in the closest tree and laid the other on the ground.
>>> 
>>> He didn't have to ask whether I'd brought a laptop.
>>> 
>>> We listened to CW signals up and down 20 meters, which was open to Europe at the time. As he tuned in each station, I copied for him using pencil and paper. He'd learned Morse code, but only at very slow speeds.
>>> 
>>> After making a contact, I set the internal keyer speed to 10 words per minute and dialed power output to zero, for practice purposes, then showed him how to use the paddle. He smiled as he got the hang of it. Sending the full alphabet was a challenge, but he got there. The KX2 decoded and displayed his keying, providing confirmation.
>>> 
>>> We'd blown through his allotted lunch break by a factor of three, so it was time to go. We coiled up the antenna wires, packed up, and walked back. As I drove him back to his employer, we made plans to get together again for a weekend hike.
>>> 
>>> I could have just dropped him off, but we went back into the lobby together. Out of habit, he stopped in front of the elevator. Then he looked up.
>>> 
>>> "OK," he said. "I get it. This CW thing. It's slow, it's hard to do well, and it takes years of practice."
>>> 
>>> "Like hunting for your own food, or carving your own tools," I added.
>>> 
>>> "Or cooking from scratch. Or brewing your own beer. Building your own radio. And you use more of your senses. Not just your eyes, but your ears. Your sense of touch."
>>> 
>>> I nodded. Listening. Feeling. That was the radio I'd grown up with.
>>> 
>>> "Of course it's harder to work DX with CW than with FT8," I reminded him, playing devil's advocate.
>>> 
>>> "Is that what matters, though?" he asked.
>>> 
>>> A longer discussion for another day.
>>> 
>>> "Your call," I said.
>>> 
>>> He gripped my shoulder and smiled, then reached toward the elevator's glowing, ivory colored button, framed by polished brass.
>>> 
>>> The path most taken.
>>> 
>>> Point. Click.
>>> 
>>> "On second thought," he said, "I'll take the stairs."
>>> 
>>> * * *
>>> 
>>> Wayne,
>>> N6KR
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 23:00:59 -0400
>> From: Keith Hamilton <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
>> To: Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com>
>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re[2]: K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
>> Message-ID:
>>   <CAJkuCUZmuY7Ys=ypJjjEK0wt7o5ocWzVCZQL=SZkPC7E=YOemA at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> 
>> OK Dave -
>> 
>> I will check the relays as you suggest. In troubleshooting capacitors I
>> messed up
>> C74. I pulled it off the board and sent a request to Elecraft for a
>> replacement.
>> That may solve the problem. In the meantime I will check the coils on the
>> K13 to K15
>> relays and let you know what I find.
>> 
>> I did not see Don's post. I will check it out. So I will be waiting a bit
>> to fix this problem,
>> 
>> 73 and thanks!
>> Keith N8CEP
>> 
>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 10:36 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Keith,
>>> 
>>> I saw Don respond to this and he is right that K15 would be the common
>>> denominator if not for 15m. You can check to see if the coils are intact
>>> if you measure the resistance between pins 1 and 10 for each. It should
>>> be around 230 ohms or so. If you find one open or well away from that
>>> resistance, then it would indicate a bad coil on that relay.
>>> 
>>> You can also measure the intended path through the relays for each band
>>> and make sure there are no unintended paths. If you can read the
>>> schematic, it shows the path with each relay in it's reset state. You
>>> would need to consult the table in Appendix B to see which relay(s) are
>>> active for a respective band and you can then measure the continuity of
>>> the intended path. You should also check any unintended paths which
>>> could indicate a problem.
>>> 
>>> As Don stated, this is not a fun problem to find and will take some good
>>> debugging skills. So far, everything you've indicated seems to suggest
>>> the PLL oscillator and VCO circuits are working properly, but the range
>>> selection area is not producing the proper capacitance to allow the VCO
>>> to produce the proper frequency on those bands you indicated.
>>> 
>>> If reading the schematic is a problem, let us know and I am sure between
>>> Don and myself, we can give you some step by step instructions for
>>> tracing through this problem.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Dave W8FGU
>>> 
>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>> From: "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>> Sent: 7/13/2020 9:34:03 PM
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re[2]: K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
>>> 
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> From: Keith Hamilton <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
>>>> Date: Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:19 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Elecraft] K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
>>>> To: Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dave
>>>> 
>>>> Yes the frequency changes when turning the VFO knob when measuring with
>>> CAL
>>>> FCTR on TP1.
>>>> 
>>>> I have checked the markings on C71, C72, C73, and C74 (C75 is not
>>> installed
>>>> yet). They are
>>>> all correct and I resoldered them to be sure.
>>>> 
>>>> I am beginning to think I might have a bad relay K13, K14 or K15. My good
>>>> bands are 80,40 and
>>>> 15 meters. My bad bands are 30,20,17,12 and 10 meters. Looking at the
>>> relay
>>>> table in appendix B
>>>> I am not sure which relay could be bad. How can I test them? Should I try
>>>> to replace them?
>>>> 73,
>>>> Keith N8CEP
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:58 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Ok Keith, just to make sure things are where we want on the bands that
>>>>> seem to work, does the frequency change when turning the VFO knob when
>>>>> measuring with CAL FCTR on TP1? If they do, then things are working ok.
>>>>> 
>>>>> For the bands that are locked at 8.28v, that is the max output from the
>>>>> integrator circuit (U6B). This means that there is no lock between the
>>> PLL
>>>>> Oscillator and the VCO circuit and the PLL chip (U4) is trying to
>>> drive the
>>>>> varactors to provide more capacitance to the VCO circuit. The most
>>> likely
>>>>> cause will be a misplaced capacitor in the VCO range selector (C71 -
>>> C75)
>>>>> or a problem in the VCO circuit itself. But because this may be band
>>>>> dependent, I would look first in that range selection circuit. Verify
>>> that
>>>>> those caps are the proper values. They are easily misread and will
>>> cause
>>>>> the type of thing you are seeing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also verify those varactor diodes are the proper type and in the right
>>>>> places. Soldering issues are typically the leading cause of problems,
>>> so
>>>>> check that also. If all looks right to you, you may want to signal
>>> trace
>>>>> through that selection circuit to verify the proper relays and active
>>> for
>>>>> the bands not working. There is a relay table in Appendix B that shows
>>> you
>>>>> which relays are active for each band.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is a brand new build, correct?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Dave, W8FGU
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 7/13/2020 4:41:07 PM, "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for your help Dave!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes. I was able to get 6 volts on R30 by turning L30. At first the
>>> voltage
>>>>> was too high
>>>>> so I adjusted the turns on T5 by spreading the red windings further
>>> apart.
>>>>> Then I
>>>>> was able to get to 6 volts.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I did a CAL FCTR with the probe on TP1 and the frequency set to 4000,
>>>>> The reading is 8912.22
>>>>> 
>>>>> 73 Keith N8CEP
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 3:59 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Keith,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Were you able to get 6v on R30 by tuning L30? Did you have to bring
>>> the
>>>>>> voltage down or up by moving the windings on T5?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you would, set the VFO to 4 MHz and do a CAL FCTR on TP1 and let me
>>>>>> know what the reading is. I'm just looking for a couple of clues
>>> before
>>>>>> we proceed.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>> Dave, W8FGU
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 7/13/2020 2:52:11 PM, "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I am having trouble with the K2 VCO alignment. I have moved the T5
>>>>>> windings
>>>>>>> and obtained 6 volts at the left end of R30. I then went on to the
>>> chart
>>>>>>> (table 6-1) to measure the voltages at the listed frequencies. My
>>>>>> readings
>>>>>>> are ok on 80 40 and 15 meters (between 1.5 to 7.5 volts) but on
>>> 30,20,17
>>>>>>> ,12 and 10 meters the voltage is 8.29 volts and does not change.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have checked the solder connections of T5 and the value of C72
>>> (271).
>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> diodes D21,D22,D23, D24, D25 and D26 are correctly installed. I also
>>> went
>>>>>>> over the solder connections of K13, K14 and K15.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Now I'm stuck. Any help will be appreciated.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Keioth Hamilton N8CEP
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>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 22:52:20 -0700
>> From: John <ve7day at telus.net>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 very slow to reach dialed rf output
>> Message-ID: <4783282c-475c-ce9f-64e7-45125d750249 at telus.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>> 
>> 
>> When I dial up, or down rf output, it takes in excess of 30 seconds
>> 
>> to reach the output level, which is much lower than requested.
>> 
>> 3 "bars" on the rf meter.? That looks to be 20 to 25 watts.
>> 
>> If I readjust the level, up or down, it takes another 30+
>> 
>> seconds and it will not go over 3 "bars".
>> 
>> Anyone offer any suggestions?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> 73.
>> 
>> John.
>> 
>> ve7day.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 06:26:00 -0000
>> From: "Doug Turnbull" <turnbull at net1.ie>
>> To: "'Dauer, Edward'" <edauer at law.du.edu>, <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>,
>>   "'Victor Rosenthal    4X6GP'" <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs
>> Message-ID: <007201d659a7$a5099f10$ef1cdd30$@net1.ie>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> Dear Friends,
>>     Nor are SSB, RTTY and PSK the same as CW but they all serve a purpose.
>> Any technology which allows one to work weaker signals with lower power is
>> going to make DXCC easier.    Even using CW it is infinitely easier to work
>> DXCC on multiple bands these days than back in the fifties, well maybe I
>> will make an exception for the 1958 era.    There are so many aids and
>> radios are better.    This is a technological hobby and now the guy with the
>> apartment and balcony might actually work DXCC.   Viva engineering.
>>                             73 Doug EI2CN
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
>> Behalf Of Dauer, Edward
>> Sent: Monday 13 July 2020 15:39
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs
>> 
>> I agree fully with Victor; though the difference may be even simpler:  
>> 
>> Making a QSO using CW is a ham doing something with a radio.  Making a QSO
>> with FT8 is a radio doing something for a ham.
>> 
>> Neither is better or worse; but they are different.
>> 
>> Ted, KN1CBR
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 10:41:41 +0300
>> From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The
>>   Stairs"
>> Message-ID: <3ac27805-0645-14c9-582f-601efd94c278 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>> 
>> For me, it's simple.
>> 
>> When I make a CW contact, even if its total content is "ENN TU", I am
>> connected to history, to Jack Phillips on the Titanic, to all of the
>> military traffic men and airborne radio operators of WWII, to the operators
>> on the merchant ships on the high seas and the Great Lakes, and to all the
>> hams of the past, even Mr. Marconi, the first ham.
>> 
>> I like hearing the propagation change with my own ears and struggling to
>> capture an ESP-level call. I like the feel of the key and the sound of the
>> code. I like the idea that there is another person like me at the other end
>> with his or her hand on a key.
>> 
>> I consider myself extremely lucky to have caught the bug at a young age and
>> developed the skill needed to make CW as transparent to me as my mother
>> tongue. I see how hard it is for those who begin to learn at middle age or
>> older. They shouldn't give up -- it's worth it.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Victor, 4X6GP
>> Rehovot, Israel
>> Formerly K2VCO
>> CWops no. 5
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/__;!!NCZxaNi9jForCP_SxB
>> KJCA!F4lkQrp7vnWsJyPT-T7iUPs1Sk1a79YI92FbY7WOC4FPuQvWxE1lsChUamJuUgiP$
>> .
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>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 23:29:41 -0700 (MST)
>> From: dl2ki <dl2ki at online.de>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2 CW key shaping
>> Message-ID: <1594708181809-0.post at n2.nabble.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> since someone told me that there is a small "chirp" in my K2-CW signal, I
>> would like to check the signal visually.
>> 
>> How can I display the CW Key envelope as shown in the document "Elecraft K2
>> Keying Modification Instructions", page 1.
>> 
>> An oscilloscope "Tektronix 2465A" is at my disposal, but I have little
>> experience with measuring instruments, since I only use them occasionally.
>> 
>> Thank you and 73
>> Wolfgang
>> DL2KI
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:00:04 +0300
>> From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2 CW key shaping
>> Message-ID: <2a588fd1-87c8-1bbe-9dec-1cf25ee18e85 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>> 
>> A chirp can't be seen visually on an oscilloscope (well, maybe on a 
>> panadpter or spectrum analyzer if it is a very big one).
>> 
>> A chirp is a change in frequency of the transmitted signal. It is not 
>> the same as a click, which is a wide signal caused by too-short rise and 
>> fall times of the keyed envelope, or a badly shaped envelope. You can 
>> see the envelope shape on an oscilloscope. But the change in frequency 
>> caused by a chirp is very small in comparison with the frequency of the 
>> signal.
>> 
>> The way to detect a chirp is to listen to the transmitted signal on a 
>> second receiver. Your ear is very sensitive to changes in pitch.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Victor, 4X6GP
>> Rehovot, Israel
>> Formerly K2VCO
>> CWops no. 5
>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>> .
>>>> On 14/07/2020 9:29, dl2ki wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> since someone told me that there is a small "chirp" in my K2-CW signal, I
>>> would like to check the signal visually.
>>> 
>>> How can I display the CW Key envelope as shown in the document "Elecraft K2
>>> Keying Modification Instructions", page 1.
>>> 
>>> An oscilloscope "Tektronix 2465A" is at my disposal, but I have little
>>> experience with measuring instruments, since I only use them occasionally.
>>> 
>>> Thank you and 73
>>> Wolfgang
>>> DL2KI
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 18:15:22 +1000
>> From: Matt Maguire <matt.vk2rq at gmail.com>
>> To: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2 CW key shaping
>> Message-ID:
>>   <CAM9P-wDRcnA5qhdZT5VMRg-LTt1tzah145Sah-Rvuk_CaziEPw at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> 
>> Generally a chirp would be due to an unstable power supply, resistance in
>> the fuse holder, etc.. It can also be cause by poor decoupling/loading of
>> the oscillator circuit, but in the case of a well-designed circuit like the
>> K2, this would normally  only arise with misplaced components or poor
>> connections.
>> 
>> On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 at 18:01, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> A chirp can't be seen visually on an oscilloscope (well, maybe on a
>>> panadpter or spectrum analyzer if it is a very big one).
>>> 
>>> A chirp is a change in frequency of the transmitted signal. It is not
>>> the same as a click, which is a wide signal caused by too-short rise and
>>> fall times of the keyed envelope, or a badly shaped envelope. You can
>>> see the envelope shape on an oscilloscope. But the change in frequency
>>> caused by a chirp is very small in comparison with the frequency of the
>>> signal.
>>> 
>>> The way to detect a chirp is to listen to the transmitted signal on a
>>> second receiver. Your ear is very sensitive to changes in pitch.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Victor, 4X6GP
>>> Rehovot, Israel
>>> Formerly K2VCO
>>> CWops no. 5
>>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>>> .
>>>> On 14/07/2020 9:29, dl2ki wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> since someone told me that there is a small "chirp" in my K2-CW signal, I
>>>> would like to check the signal visually.
>>>> 
>>>> How can I display the CW Key envelope as shown in the document "Elecraft
>>> K2
>>>> Keying Modification Instructions", page 1.
>>>> 
>>>> An oscilloscope "Tektronix 2465A" is at my disposal, but I have little
>>>> experience with measuring instruments, since I only use them
>>> occasionally.
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you and 73
>>>> Wolfgang
>>>> DL2KI
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
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>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 08:45:02 -0400
>> From: Rich NE1EE <73.de.ne1ee at gmail.com>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2 CW key shaping #chirp #click
>> Message-ID: <5f0da8e4.1c69fb81.c428c.778b at mx.google.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> 
>> I don't have any experience with chirps, but I can add this bit.
>> 
>> If you can hear the change, then the change can be seen on an FFT. At least that would give a sense of whether the shift is up or down, if it is difficult to tell by listening. An FFT could also be applied to the RF, but, as Victor mentioned, the shift is small wrt the TX freq. It is NOT small wrt the decoded audio, however, which is why it was reported. So an FFT may well find it. There are different ways to get that analysis, and might not be worth the effort. One method would be to use a modern scope with FFT; another, a software scope such as the Zeitnitz scope; another might be fldigi. In the last two cases, you'd have to pipe the audio...that is the RX decoded audio...into the audio line in on a computer.
>> 
>> But you still have to find out why...so maybe this FFT business isn't worth the effort...because you still then have to find the /cause/, even though you now have a pretty good idea where to look.
>> 
>>>> On 2020-07-14 18:15:+1000, you wrote:
>>> Generally a chirp would be due to an unstable power supply, resistance in
>>> the fuse holder, etc.. It can also be cause by poor decoupling/loading of
>>> the oscillator circuit, but in the case of a well-designed circuit like the
>>> K2, this would normally  only arise with misplaced components or poor
>>> connections.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 at 18:01, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> A chirp can't be seen visually on an oscilloscope (well, maybe on a > panadpter or spectrum analyzer if it is a very big one).
>>>> 
>>>> A chirp is a change in frequency of the transmitted signal. It is not > the same as a click, which is a wide signal caused by too-short rise and > fall times of the keyed envelope, or a badly shaped envelope. You can > see the envelope shape on an oscilloscope. But the change in frequency > caused by a chirp is very small in comparison with the frequency of the > signal.
>>>> 
>>>> The way to detect a chirp is to listen to the transmitted signal on a > second receiver. Your ear is very sensitive to changes in pitch.
>>>> 
>>>> 73,
>>>> Victor, 4X6GP
>>>> Rehovot, Israel
>> 
>> 
>> ~R~
>> 72/73 de Rich NE1EE
>> On the banks of the Piscataqua
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 07:18:48 -0600
>> From: David Herring <david.n5dch at gmail.com>
>> To: John <ve7day at telus.net>
>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 very slow to reach dialed rf output
>> Message-ID: <2F66947C-C5C1-4844-88FC-A8AD034569A9 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>> 
>> Sounds like your audio level it set too low.
>> Try adjusting that up. Don?t quote me, but if memory serves that has to be 4 bars with the 5th flickering.
>> A search through the archives will find that addressed many times. 
>> Audio too low makes the K3 ?power hunt? which is what it sounds like yours is doing.
>> 
>> 73,
>> David - N5DCH
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Jul 13, 2020, at 11:52 PM, John <ve7day at telus.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> When I dial up, or down rf output, it takes in excess of 30 seconds
>>> 
>>> to reach the output level, which is much lower than requested.
>>> 
>>> 3 "bars" on the rf meter.  That looks to be 20 to 25 watts.
>>> 
>>> If I readjust the level, up or down, it takes another 30+
>>> 
>>> seconds and it will not go over 3 "bars".
>>> 
>>> Anyone offer any suggestions?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> 73.
>>> 
>>> John.
>>> 
>>> ve7day.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 14
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 10:14:18 -0400
>> From: w4sc <w4sc at windstream.net>
>> To: "rayalbers at gmail.com" <rayalbers at gmail.com>,
>>   "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Sub receiver intermittant failures
>> Message-ID: <34.D4.21811.ABDBD0F5 at smtp04.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> Ray
>> 
>> If you have KSYN3A synthesizers installed, check for the following mod.
>> 
>> Ref:  KSYN3A Synthesized Installation Instructions    pp 5
>> 
>> https://ftp.elecraft.com/K3S/Manuals%20Downloads/E740257%20KSYN3A%20Installation%20Rev%20A6.pdf
>> 
>> KREF3 Output Level Modification
>> https://ftp.elecraft.com/K3/Mod%20Notes%20Alerts/E740278%20KREF3%20Output%20Level%20Modification.pdf
>> 
>> Ben  W4SC
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 15
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 07:55:42 -0700
>> From: John <ve7day at telus.net>
>> To: David Herring <david.n5dch at gmail.com>
>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 very slow to reach dialed rf output
>> Message-ID: <50951251-3714-b9e1-512a-9f1729a9e00c at telus.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>> 
>> Thanks to all who had suggestions.
>> 
>> Windows had made an update and changed audio settings.
>> 
>> Problem solved.
>> 
>> 73.
>> 
>> John.
>> 
>> ve7day.
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 14/07/2020 6:18 a.m., David Herring wrote:
>>> Sounds like your audio level it set too low.
>>> Try adjusting that up. Don?t quote me, but if memory serves that has to be 4 bars with the 5th flickering.
>>> A search through the archives will find that addressed many times.
>>> Audio too low makes the K3 ?power hunt? which is what it sounds like yours is doing.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> David - N5DCH
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 13, 2020, at 11:52 PM, John <ve7day at telus.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> When I dial up, or down rf output, it takes in excess of 30 seconds
>>>> 
>>>> to reach the output level, which is much lower than requested.
>>>> 
>>>> 3 "bars" on the rf meter.  That looks to be 20 to 25 watts.
>>>> 
>>>> If I readjust the level, up or down, it takes another 30+
>>>> 
>>>> seconds and it will not go over 3 "bars".
>>>> 
>>>> Anyone offer any suggestions?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> 73.
>>>> 
>>>> John.
>>>> 
>>>> ve7day.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>> Message: 16
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 17:23:44 +0200
>> From: Steef PA2A <pa2a at xs4all.nl>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Replace backup battery CR2032 in a K3
>> Message-ID: <6f55f162f44aaa20ed25533a3d241e14 at xs4all.nl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> has anyone already changed the CR2032 backup battery in a K3? Under the 
>> carton cover the battery has started to oxydize but the Voltage is still 
>> 3.06 Volts after twelve years. I guess an external 3 Volts source should 
>> be applied to save all settings during the replacement.
>> 
>> 73s Steef PA2A, K3 #1184
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 17
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:39:39 -0400
>> From: Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com>
>> To: pa2a at xs4all.nl
>> Cc: Elecraft Refl <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Replace backup battery CR2032 in a K3
>> Message-ID: <658F7C2A-C712-48EE-9ECF-A0F8F7C07D8A at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>> 
>> The battery supports the real time clock only.  You won?t lose any other settings if you replace it.
>> 
>> Grant NQ5T
>> 
>>>> On Jul 14, 2020, at 11:23 AM, Steef PA2A <pa2a at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> has anyone already changed the CR2032 backup battery in a K3? Under the carton cover the battery has started to oxydize but the Voltage is still 3.06 Volts after twelve years. I guess an external 3 Volts source should be applied to save all settings during the replacement.
>>> 
>>> 73s Steef PA2A, K3 #1184
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>> Message: 18
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 09:27:06 -0700
>> From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs
>> Message-ID:
>>   <7975cb47-3180-717c-f057-bc3743de596f at audiosystemsgroup.com>
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>> 
>>>> On 7/13/2020 11:26 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote:
>>> Even using CW it is infinitely easier to work
>>> DXCC on multiple bands these days than back in the fifties, well maybe I
>>> will make an exception for the 1958 era.
>> 
>> Except that noise levels have escalated by 20 dB since that era.
>> 
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 19
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:53:08 -0500
>> From: Tony Estep <esteptony at gmail.com>
>> To: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs
>> Message-ID:
>>   <CACHwrmM3o3dCL=iAXPu98SFE_Yr8c7vkazGkdk6k+-RpwK8caA at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ...Even using CW it is infinitely easier to work
>>> DXCC on multiple bands these days than back in the fifties, well maybe I
>>> will make an exception for the 1958 era....
>>> 
>> =================
>> Ha ha, yep. I worked DXCC as a Novice in 1957-58, all on 15 CW. It's true
>> that signals were popping in from all over the world at the time. But the
>> level and type of activity were completely different, of course. I worked
>> many countries still deemed to be rare via QSOs with local hams (e.g.
>> Johnston Island) or visiting scientists (e.g. Amsterdam Island), but only a
>> couple via DXpeditions (e.g. Navassa). Often you'd have an exchange of name
>> and qth, even with rare DX when others were waiting. You found DX by tuning
>> and listening, and most QSLing was via direct mail. A different world.
>> Now with clusters and micro-QSOs (5nn tu) you can knock off DXCC within 24
>> hours during a contest. Which is more fun? I dunno. Either way, hearing
>> your call come back from the other edge of the world can give a little jolt
>> of adrenaline, no matter how many times you've done it. I don't get any
>> jolt seeing my call on the FT8 scroll.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Tony KT0NY
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 20
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 14:26:36 -0400
>> From: Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com>
>> To: pa2a at xs4all.nl
>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Replace backup battery CR2032 in a K3
>> Message-ID: <CF12B903-E57F-4F8E-9E2A-9CAFE0628715 at widomaker.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>> 
>> Don?t get too excited. I?m told it only keeps the clock running. All settings are in non-volatile  memory. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Jul 14, 2020, at 11:25 AM, Steef PA2A <pa2a at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Hi,
>>> 
>>> has anyone already changed the CR2032 backup battery in a K3? Under the carton cover the battery has started to oxydize but the Voltage is still 3.06 Volts after twelve years. I guess an external 3 Volts source should be applied to save all settings during the replacement.
>>> 
>>> 73s Steef PA2A, K3 #1184
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From elanzl at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jul 14 20:59:04 2020
From: elanzl at sbcglobal.net (Eric Lanzl)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 00:59:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net log for 7-12-2020
References: <324842930.1568750.1594774744589.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <324842930.1568750.1594774744589@mail.yahoo.com>

Here is the list of stations checking in to the Sunday 20m net. Welcome to new stations and a big thanks to the relay stations for their help receiving the stations that I do not hear. 
Elecraft ssb nets
20m net 14.303.5 1800Z40m net? 7280???? 18:45Z80m net? 3940???? 0100Z
Eric WB9JNZ


Call???????????? Name????? State?????? Radio????? Serial #?????? QRP????????????????????????????????????? Notes

WB9JNZ????????? Eric??????????????? IL??????????????????? K3????????????????? 4017?????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????? ?NetControl

N4NRW?????????? Roger????????? ? SC????????????????? K3????????????????? 1318?????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????? ?RelayStation 

KB9AVO????????? Paul?????????????? IN?????????????????? K3S?????????????? 11103???????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

NC0JW??????????? Jim?????????????? ? CO???????????????? KX3???????????????? 1356?????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

WM6P???????????? Steve???????????? GA???????????????? K3S????????????? ? 11453???????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

K6FW????????????? Frank??????????? CA????????????????? K3S???????????? ?? 11672???????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

K7BRR??????????? Bill???????????????? AZ????????????????? K3S???????????????? 10939???????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

N6JW?????????????? John???????????? CA????????????????? K3??????????????? ? ? ?? 936???????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

N3KCB???????????? Tony???????????? DE????????????????? K2/100??????? ? ? ? 7734?????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

N2TNQ?????????? ? Len?????????????? NJ????????????????? K3??????????????? ? ??? 5270?????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

KO5V??????????????? Jim?????????????? NM?????????????? ? K2/100??????????? ?? 7225?????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????? RelayStation

KB7FD????????????? Buzz???????????? OR???????????????? K3S????????????????? 11568???????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

N0MPM???????? ? ? Mike??????????? ? IA?????????????????? K3S?????????????? ? 10514???????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

N7BDL????????????? Terry?????????? ? AZ????????????????? K3S????????????? ?? 10373???????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

N8VZ?????????????? ? Carl????????????? OH???????????????? K3???????????????? ? ?? 5946?????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

K6VWE?????????? ? Stan????????????? MI????????????????? K3??????????????? ? ? ? ? 650???????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

KC8HMJ???????? ?? Richard?????? ? MI????????????????? K3????????????????????? 3100?????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

KC7WFD????????? Tracy????????? ?? WA??????????????? KX3????????????? ? ? ? 4176?????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

KS6F???????????????? Guy ???????????? CA???????????????? K3S?????????????? ?? 11672???????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

WW4JF?????????? ? John???????????? TN????????????????? K3S?????????????? ?? 11177???????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

AE1E???????????????? Ken????????????? NM???????????????? K3S????????????????? 11611???????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

KG6MZS??????????? Eric????????????? CA????????????????? K3??????????????? ? ?? 3045?????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????? 1sttime check in

W4JSH?????????????? Jeff?????????????? TN???????????????? Flex?????? 6400kpa? 500????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

AE6JV??????????????? Bill??????????????? NH???????????????? K3???????????????? ? ?? 6299?????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

K6GUC??????????? ?? Rubin?????????? CA ????????????? ? Yaesu????????? ?? FT 1000???????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Jul 14 21:01:40 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 21:01:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 / MH2 PTT problem
In-Reply-To: <96397404-9661-a71e-b105-3a0cea3a2857@gmail.com>
References: <96397404-9661-a71e-b105-3a0cea3a2857@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18f1fb0b-1ebd-d689-8c96-ba5985eb4dff@embarqmail.com>

If you are getting an ERR PTT when you power on, then either the key 
(Paddle) is closed or the PTT in the microphone is stuck in the active 
position.

Remove the hand key, paddles, any PTT switch or footswitch and 
microphone to see if the Error goes away.

If things are then OK, plug each one in one at a time and do a power 
cycle - when the Error message occurs, you will know that the last thing 
you plugged in is causing the problem.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/14/2020 3:02 PM, David F. Reed wrote:
> I have a new problem crop up seemingly with the PTT on my MH2 / K3 
> setup; sometimes it works fine, but might drop out in the middle of a 
> transmission, with the K3 display momentarily displaying (it flashes by 
> pretty fast) something about PTT Problem...
> 
> I am trying to figure out if there is anything to check besides taking 
> the microphone apart and cleaning/de-oxing it.
> 

From dl2ki at online.de  Wed Jul 15 02:08:53 2020
From: dl2ki at online.de (dl2ki)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 23:08:53 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2 CW key shaping
In-Reply-To: <CAM9P-wDRcnA5qhdZT5VMRg-LTt1tzah145Sah-Rvuk_CaziEPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1594708181809-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<2a588fd1-87c8-1bbe-9dec-1cf25ee18e85@gmail.com>
	<CAM9P-wDRcnA5qhdZT5VMRg-LTt1tzah145Sah-Rvuk_CaziEPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1594793333492-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi,

thanks for the hints and information.

I will listen to the signal once with my K3. That seems to be the best way
to check the hint. But I will also have a look at the connector plugs and
power supply cables in my portable configuration.

73, Wolfgang
DL2KI




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From ray2.s at btinternet.com  Wed Jul 15 04:40:22 2020
From: ray2.s at btinternet.com (Ray Spreadbury)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 09:40:22 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 in the IARU Contest Last Weekend
Message-ID: <001201d65a83$ae3828e0$0aa87aa0$@btinternet.com>

Hi

I was a member of the UK HQ team for this 24hour IARU event last weekend and
was one of the two Ops on 40M SSB. 

We took it in turns to be the Run station every 4 hours and I was using a
40M 2-El yagi at 60ft. I noticed that every 30-60mins, I needed to do a
re-tune on the KPA1500 to keep the SWR at or near to 1.1:1, as it seemed to
gradually creep up over time. The amp temp peaked at 70C but was mostly at
about 55C. The SWR never got above 1.5:1 using KPA1500 screen but I know
that the yagi was really presenting about 1.6:1 at the run frequency. When
not operating as the Run station the other Op was in Partner mode spotting
mults & helping with call identification.

We were using the WinTest logging program as this enables us to private
network with the other UK HQ stations (one on CW & one on SSB for each
contest band ie. a total 12 stations at any one time, plus Partners).
Because of Covid, this year we were all single Ops working from home rather
than just a few multi op stations.

My K3S & the KPA1500 worked faultlessly for the 24hours as did Wintest but I
wonder what was the cause of the SWR increasing over time & needing a
re-tune?

73 Ray G3XLG


From k5rhd.73 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 15 10:36:46 2020
From: k5rhd.73 at gmail.com (Randy Diddel)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 08:36:46 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Calibrating RX on the K144XV
Message-ID: <669BA91B-AB38-4A9A-B7C6-83DA33D4A970@gmail.com>

Hi all,

I have recently installed a K144XV in my K3s.  From the factory, the offset value in the lower part of the band is +3.29 however, I tune into the Beam Spinner?s net every morning here in the Denver area on 144.200 however, with the factory recommendation, I have to tune 144.199.75 to hear stations clearly.  Tuning the K3s?s VFO to 144.200, I have to change the offset to about +3.59 and then everyone sounds good and are ?on frequency.? There are several stations with have 9700?s so I would think they would be bang-on.

So, should I set the offset by ear, should I recalibrate, or ???  I do own an XG3 so if I knew how to properly calibrate it, I could go that way too.

Any help is appreciated!

73

K5RHD

/randy

From w8fn at windstream.net  Wed Jul 15 10:38:39 2020
From: w8fn at windstream.net (Randy Farmer)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 10:38:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 and VSWR
Message-ID: <6073a9f0-8034-c29f-18f0-866e896fd64b@windstream.net>

I just finished the 1300Z session of the CWops CWT and thought I'd pass 
on an observation on the KPA500. When I'm operating in contest mode, one 
of the things I like to keep an eye on is the KPA500 PA temperature, as 
monitored via WIN4K3. (WIN4K3 manages the multiple connections for CAT 
data needed to run my heavily automated SO2R station.) For the past few 
weeks, my regular strategy has been to run continuously in the early CWT 
sessions, usually on 40 meters. Late last week I made a tweak to my 
80-40 inverted V antenna that resulted in raising it around 15 feet from 
its previous height of around 40 feet. As a result of this change, the 
40 meter VSWR at the transmitter produced by my KAT500 dropped from 
about 1.4:1 indicated to 1.04 indicated on a well-calibrated LPA-100A. 
At the duty cycle of constant run operation at around 34 WPM, the PA 
temperature was previously running in the very high 50s, sometimes 
getting to 60? or even 61?. I'm actually slightly exceeding the amp's 
500W output rating, since I set the drive to produce 500W as measured at 
the output side of my switched bank of Low Band Systems bandpass 
filters. With the lower VSWR, I never saw the PA temperature exceed 50?. 
I suppose this shouldn't come as a surprise, but it does show the PA 
heating effects of even moderate load mismatches on a solid state 
amplifier designed for a 50 Ohm load. Just an anecdote that some may 
find interesting.

73...
Randy, W8FN

From n4zr at comcast.net  Wed Jul 15 11:06:42 2020
From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 11:06:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500, too?
In-Reply-To: <9F14F6A8-D736-4E8D-A88D-1EE09CFF86EA@gmail.com>
References: <9F14F6A8-D736-4E8D-A88D-1EE09CFF86EA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0696a065-1b7b-e74f-8e42-5e6264c5af5b@comcast.net>

Why ?? I may have missed something, but my KPA-1500 seems to display all 
of the same info simultaneously.

73, Pete N4ZR
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at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
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For spots, please use your favorite
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On 7/14/2020 6:17 PM, Hunsdon Cary III wrote:
> Perhaps KV5J can come up with an amplifier monitor for the KPA-1500, too?  Hope so!
> K4TM
>
> Sent from Clovelly Cottage II, home of amateur radio station K4TM and the most creative Sue Cary, in the foothills of the beautiful Blue Ridge mountains of Virginia.
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>>    1. Very pleased with KV5J Digital Display Unit for the    Elecraft
>>       KPA500 (Macy monkeys)
>>    2. Fwd: Re[2]:  K2 7747 VCO alignment problem (Keith Hamilton)
>>    3. Re: FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
>>       (Robert Hand)
>>    4. Re: Fwd: Re[2]: K2 7747 VCO alignment problem (Dave Van Wallaghen)
>>    5. Re: "On second thought, I'll take the stairs." (Kurt Pawlikowski)
>>    6. Re: Fwd: Re[2]: K2 7747 VCO alignment problem (Keith Hamilton)
>>    7. K3 very slow to reach dialed rf output (John)
>>    8. Re: "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs (Doug Turnbull)
>>    9. Elecraft K2 CW key shaping (dl2ki)
>>   10. Re: Elecraft K2 CW key shaping (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
>>   11. Re: Elecraft K2 CW key shaping (Matt Maguire)
>>   12. Re: Elecraft K2 CW key shaping #chirp #click (Rich NE1EE)
>>   13. Re: K3 very slow to reach dialed rf output (David Herring)
>>   14. Re: [K3] Sub receiver intermittant failures (w4sc)
>>   15. Re: K3 very slow to reach dialed rf output (John)
>>   16. Replace backup battery CR2032 in a K3 (Steef PA2A)
>>   17. Re: Replace backup battery CR2032 in a K3 (Grant Youngman)
>>   18. Re: "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs (Jim Brown)
>>   19. Re: "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs (Tony Estep)
>>   20. Re: Replace backup battery CR2032 in a K3 (Nr4c)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:05:31 -0700
>> From: Macy monkeys <macymonkeys at charter.net>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Very pleased with KV5J Digital Display Unit for
>>     the    Elecraft KPA500
>> Message-ID: <484D78AA-7E8E-4C6A-802B-4BC0DC3B502B at charter.net>
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>>
>> I just finished hooking up the remote KV5J DDU for my KPA500. It arrived today via USPS extremely well packed. Hook up was a snap. The unit does exactly what Keith says it does. And it looks terrific! The display is not too bright, not too dim. Perfect! It is very professional looking in a stout metal housing. Keith was quick to answer my emails.
>>
>> Very pleased! I have no connection to Keith or his products other than being a satisfied customer.
>>
>> John K7FD
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 13, 2020, at 3:04 PM, Macy monkeys <macymonkeys at charter.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I purchased it exactly for those reasons; my KPA500 is on a shelf under my operating desk. The DDU will enable me to see what I can't easily see now. Perfect solution.
>>>
>>> And yes, my DDU arrived today and I will soon give it a shakedown cruise...
>>>
>>> John K7FD
>>>
>>>>> On Jul 13, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Keith Ennis via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>>> Andy,
>>>>
>>>> It's design was not to replace the KPA500 utility if that is what you want
>>>> to use.  It was designed to show the 5 most often used readings from the
>>>> front panel that can only be seen one at a time.
>>>>
>>>> Plus it does not use any PC resources.  Monitor space is limited to most
>>>> operators.  Same with com ports.
>>>>
>>>> Place the KPA500 wherever you want and place the DDU next to your radio.
>>>> Saves on heat, noise and desktop space.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your input.73
>>>>
>>>> Keith,KV5J
>>>>
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>> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 21:34:03 -0400
>> From: Keith Hamilton <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re[2]:  K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Keith Hamilton <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
>> Date: Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Elecraft] K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
>> To: Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com>
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> Yes the frequency changes when turning the VFO knob when measuring with CAL
>> FCTR on TP1.
>>
>> I have checked the markings on C71, C72, C73, and C74 (C75 is not installed
>> yet). They are
>> all correct and I resoldered them to be sure.
>>
>> I am beginning to think I might have a bad relay K13, K14 or K15. My good
>> bands are 80,40 and
>> 15 meters. My bad bands are 30,20,17,12 and 10 meters. Looking at the relay
>> table in appendix B
>> I am not sure which relay could be bad. How can I test them? Should I try
>> to replace them?
>> 73,
>> Keith N8CEP
>>
>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:58 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok Keith, just to make sure things are where we want on the bands that
>>> seem to work, does the frequency change when turning the VFO knob when
>>> measuring with CAL FCTR on TP1? If they do, then things are working ok.
>>>
>>> For the bands that are locked at 8.28v, that is the max output from the
>>> integrator circuit (U6B). This means that there is no lock between the PLL
>>> Oscillator and the VCO circuit and the PLL chip (U4) is trying to drive the
>>> varactors to provide more capacitance to the VCO circuit. The most likely
>>> cause will be a misplaced capacitor in the VCO range selector (C71 - C75)
>>> or a problem in the VCO circuit itself. But because this may be band
>>> dependent, I would look first in that range selection circuit. Verify that
>>> those caps are the proper values. They are easily misread and will cause
>>> the type of thing you are seeing.
>>>
>>> Also verify those varactor diodes are the proper type and in the right
>>> places. Soldering issues are typically the leading cause of problems, so
>>> check that also. If all looks right to you, you may want to signal trace
>>> through that selection circuit to verify the proper relays and active for
>>> the bands not working. There is a relay table in Appendix B that shows you
>>> which relays are active for each band.
>>>
>>> This is a brand new build, correct?
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Dave, W8FGU
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/13/2020 4:41:07 PM, "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help Dave!
>>>
>>> Yes. I was able to get 6 volts on R30 by turning L30. At first the voltage
>>> was too high
>>> so I adjusted the turns on T5 by spreading the red windings further apart.
>>> Then I
>>> was able to get to 6 volts.
>>>
>>> I did a CAL FCTR with the probe on TP1 and the frequency set to 4000,
>>> The reading is 8912.22
>>>
>>> 73 Keith N8CEP
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 3:59 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Keith,
>>>>
>>>> Were you able to get 6v on R30 by tuning L30? Did you have to bring the
>>>> voltage down or up by moving the windings on T5?
>>>>
>>>> If you would, set the VFO to 4 MHz and do a CAL FCTR on TP1 and let me
>>>> know what the reading is. I'm just looking for a couple of clues before
>>>> we proceed.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Dave, W8FGU
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/13/2020 2:52:11 PM, "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I am having trouble with the K2 VCO alignment. I have moved the T5
>>>> windings
>>>>> and obtained 6 volts at the left end of R30. I then went on to the chart
>>>>> (table 6-1) to measure the voltages at the listed frequencies. My
>>>> readings
>>>>> are ok on 80 40 and 15 meters (between 1.5 to 7.5 volts) but on 30,20,17
>>>>> ,12 and 10 meters the voltage is 8.29 volts and does not change.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have checked the solder connections of T5 and the value of C72 (271).
>>>> The
>>>>> diodes D21,D22,D23, D24, D25 and D26 are correctly installed. I also went
>>>>> over the solder connections of K13, K14 and K15.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now I'm stuck. Any help will be appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keioth Hamilton N8CEP
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 01:48:37 +0000
>> From: Robert Hand <robertkhand at hotmail.com>
>> To: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>,
>>     "jim at rhodesend.net" <jim at rhodesend.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The
>>     Stairs"
>> Message-ID:
>>     <DM6PR06MB38209EA4ADCD8F4B49F7CC15BB610 at DM6PR06MB3820.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
>>     
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> I still say, ?appliance operator ?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 13, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?I didn't notice myself "denigrating" anything or "talking down" to anyone. I explained why I like CW, even though other modes have their own advantages.
>>>
>>> Regarding "increasing knowledge" and "innovating," I suspect that 90% of the guys pointing and clicking their way to DXCC with K1JT's code couldn't explain how it works.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Victor, 4X6GP
>>> Rehovot, Israel
>>> Formerly K2VCO
>>> CWops no. 5
>>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>>> .
>>>>> On 13/07/2020 23:11, Jim Rhodes wrote:
>>>> Connecting to history and making history are not the same thing. Doing things the same way they were done a hundred years ago may make a "connection" for you. But hams are supposed to innovate,  invent and increase the knowledge. So you buy or build equipment with way more ability than to send simple CW, so you can do simple CW? Yes, CW is great stuff, but it sure isn't innovative, nor does in increase the knowledge of communication. As a group we should encourage others to explore new communications systems, not denigrate them as "not REAL HAM RADIO". Some of you people should be ashamed of yourselves for your attitudes. We do not want Amateur Radio to die with our generation, so we should encourage new folks to do new things, not talk down to them because they don't choose to spend 99% of their operating time pounding brass. They don't give you static about taking up bandwidth with your ancient operating mode, why hassle them because they can make Qs below the noise leve
>> l. Oh yes, my DXCC certificate says "Mixed" on it. I quit counting when I got that.
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 03:25 Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com <mailto:k2vco.vic at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>    Actually, I'm building a regenerative receiver now. I have to use JFETs
>>>>    because I got rid of all my tube stuff due to lack of room. But of
>>>>    course I will continue to benefit from the DSP in my K3, and its keyer
>>>>    (although I have a bug that I use once in a while).
>>>>    But those things don't take away the connection to history, they
>>>>    make it
>>>>    better. The point for me isn't to use the same gear as they did in
>>>>    1912,
>>>>    but to enter the Morse space as they did. If I can do it with equipment
>>>>    that is more stable and effective, so much the better.
>>>>    After all, a modern sailboat is very much more sophisticated than an
>>>>    old
>>>>    one, but sailing is still sailing.
>>>>    73,
>>>>    Victor, 4X6GP
>>>>    Rehovot, Israel
>>>>    Formerly K2VCO
>>>>    CWops no. 5
>>>>    http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
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>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 02:35:36 +0000
>> From: "Dave Van Wallaghen" <dave at w8fgu.com>
>> To: "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re[2]: K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
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>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Keith,
>>
>> I saw Don respond to this and he is right that K15 would be the common
>> denominator if not for 15m. You can check to see if the coils are intact
>> if you measure the resistance between pins 1 and 10 for each. It should
>> be around 230 ohms or so. If you find one open or well away from that
>> resistance, then it would indicate a bad coil on that relay.
>>
>> You can also measure the intended path through the relays for each band
>> and make sure there are no unintended paths. If you can read the
>> schematic, it shows the path with each relay in it's reset state. You
>> would need to consult the table in Appendix B to see which relay(s) are
>> active for a respective band and you can then measure the continuity of
>> the intended path. You should also check any unintended paths which
>> could indicate a problem.
>>
>> As Don stated, this is not a fun problem to find and will take some good
>> debugging skills. So far, everything you've indicated seems to suggest
>> the PLL oscillator and VCO circuits are working properly, but the range
>> selection area is not producing the proper capacitance to allow the VCO
>> to produce the proper frequency on those bands you indicated.
>>
>> If reading the schematic is a problem, let us know and I am sure between
>> Don and myself, we can give you some step by step instructions for
>> tracing through this problem.
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave W8FGU
>>
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Sent: 7/13/2020 9:34:03 PM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re[2]: K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: Keith Hamilton <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:19 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Elecraft] K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
>>> To: Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> Yes the frequency changes when turning the VFO knob when measuring with CAL
>>> FCTR on TP1.
>>>
>>> I have checked the markings on C71, C72, C73, and C74 (C75 is not installed
>>> yet). They are
>>> all correct and I resoldered them to be sure.
>>>
>>> I am beginning to think I might have a bad relay K13, K14 or K15. My good
>>> bands are 80,40 and
>>> 15 meters. My bad bands are 30,20,17,12 and 10 meters. Looking at the relay
>>> table in appendix B
>>> I am not sure which relay could be bad. How can I test them? Should I try
>>> to replace them?
>>> 73,
>>> Keith N8CEP
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:58 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ok Keith, just to make sure things are where we want on the bands that
>>>> seem to work, does the frequency change when turning the VFO knob when
>>>> measuring with CAL FCTR on TP1? If they do, then things are working ok.
>>>>
>>>> For the bands that are locked at 8.28v, that is the max output from the
>>>> integrator circuit (U6B). This means that there is no lock between the PLL
>>>> Oscillator and the VCO circuit and the PLL chip (U4) is trying to drive the
>>>> varactors to provide more capacitance to the VCO circuit. The most likely
>>>> cause will be a misplaced capacitor in the VCO range selector (C71 - C75)
>>>> or a problem in the VCO circuit itself. But because this may be band
>>>> dependent, I would look first in that range selection circuit. Verify that
>>>> those caps are the proper values. They are easily misread and will cause
>>>> the type of thing you are seeing.
>>>>
>>>> Also verify those varactor diodes are the proper type and in the right
>>>> places. Soldering issues are typically the leading cause of problems, so
>>>> check that also. If all looks right to you, you may want to signal trace
>>>> through that selection circuit to verify the proper relays and active for
>>>> the bands not working. There is a relay table in Appendix B that shows you
>>>> which relays are active for each band.
>>>>
>>>> This is a brand new build, correct?
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Dave, W8FGU
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/13/2020 4:41:07 PM, "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Thanks for your help Dave!
>>>>
>>>> Yes. I was able to get 6 volts on R30 by turning L30. At first the voltage
>>>> was too high
>>>> so I adjusted the turns on T5 by spreading the red windings further apart.
>>>> Then I
>>>> was able to get to 6 volts.
>>>>
>>>> I did a CAL FCTR with the probe on TP1 and the frequency set to 4000,
>>>> The reading is 8912.22
>>>>
>>>> 73 Keith N8CEP
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 3:59 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Keith,
>>>>>
>>>>> Were you able to get 6v on R30 by tuning L30? Did you have to bring the
>>>>> voltage down or up by moving the windings on T5?
>>>>>
>>>>> If you would, set the VFO to 4 MHz and do a CAL FCTR on TP1 and let me
>>>>> know what the reading is. I'm just looking for a couple of clues before
>>>>> we proceed.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Dave, W8FGU
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/13/2020 2:52:11 PM, "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am having trouble with the K2 VCO alignment. I have moved the T5
>>>>> windings
>>>>>> and obtained 6 volts at the left end of R30. I then went on to the chart
>>>>>> (table 6-1) to measure the voltages at the listed frequencies. My
>>>>> readings
>>>>>> are ok on 80 40 and 15 meters (between 1.5 to 7.5 volts) but on 30,20,17
>>>>>> ,12 and 10 meters the voltage is 8.29 volts and does not change.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have checked the solder connections of T5 and the value of C72 (271).
>>>>> The
>>>>>> diodes D21,D22,D23, D24, D25 and D26 are correctly installed. I also went
>>>>>> over the solder connections of K13, K14 and K15.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now I'm stuck. Any help will be appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keioth Hamilton N8CEP
>>>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Message delivered to dave at w8fgu.com
>>>>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 21:47:01 -0500
>> From: Kurt Pawlikowski <kurtt at pinrod.com>
>> To: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>,    Elecraft Reflector
>>     <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] "On second thought, I'll take the stairs."
>> Message-ID: <8940012b-cea2-7e67-032f-52007cc5fe86 at pinrod.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>> Wayne: Would you mind if I forwarded this to our ham newsletter editor
>> for reprint? Thanks! k WB9FMC
>>
>>> On 7/12/2020 10:07 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>> I have a friend about my age who got into amateur radio only a few years ago. Like many of us, he was enthusiastic about the technology. Intrigued with DX.
>>>
>>> I showed him my station; we talked endlessly about gear. Later, I helped him put up a simple wire antenna.
>>>
>>> Then, when his license arrived, he dove straight into FT8 and didn't look back. Within days, he'd worked all states, then DXCC. He'd bag a few rare ones over a light lunch, then pat his laptop on the back and congratulate his software app for its near-mythical ability to extract weak signals out of noise.
>>>
>>> Within weeks, he'd mastered everything there was to know about this glorious new hobby.
>>>
>>> Point. Click.
>>>
>>> In this new world order, those of us who took the longer, slower path to ionospheric enlightenment -- and who still occasionally enjoy making waves by hand -- often fail to explain why.
>>>
>>> I had failed to explain it to my friend. Even as hints of his boredom crept in, creating an opening, the best argument I'd made for trying CW was that he could do it without a computer. Coming in a weak second was the notion that CW was the original digital mode. For obvious reasons, I didn't bother with the classic argument about CW's signal-to-noise advantage over SSB.
>>>
>>> I had all but given up.
>>>
>>> Then, in a moment of delayed clarity, I decided on a different approach. I invited him to a weekday brunch. A bit of an escape. He willingly took the bait.
>>>
>>> On the appointed day, arriving at his workplace, I bypassed the lobby's glistening elevators and climbed the four flights of stairs to his office. I insisted we take the stairs down, too.
>>>
>>> "Why?" he asked. "And how'd you get up here so fast?"
>>>
>>> I pointed out that I always chose stairs, when possible. That's why I wasn't out of breath. We hustled down, jockeying for position, and emerged on the ground floor invigorated by the effort.
>>>
>>> "So, where are we going?" he asked. We'd been to every overrated twenty-dollar burger venue at least twice.
>>>
>>> I replied that we'd be going someplace we'd never tried. My kitchen.
>>>
>>> When we arrived, I put him to work chopping onions and broccoli and squeezing oranges while I whipped eggs into a froth and grated Swiss cheese. We ate our omelettes outside, in full sun and a cool breeze.
>>>
>>> "What's for desert?" he asked. "Isn't there a frozen yogurt place a two-minute drive from here?"
>>>
>>> I had something else in mind. Back in the kitchen, I handed him a water bottle, then strapped on a small pack I'd prepared earlier.
>>>
>>> We walked a mile or so through my neighborhood, admiring the houses' varied architecture, ending up (as planned) at a local park festooned with blackberry bushes. The most accessible branches had been picked clean, but with teamwork and persistence we were able to gather several large handfuls of fat, ripe berries, which we devoured on the spot.
>>>
>>> We'd been poked and scratched but didn't care.
>>>
>>> "Doesn't brunch usually end with champagne?" he wondered aloud, admiring his wounds.
>>>
>>> Not this time. I pulled out two bottles of craft beer that I'd obtained from a neighbor in trade for repairing his ancient home stereo. Carlos had spent years crafting an American pilsner to die for, sweating every detail, including iconic, hand-painted labels.
>>>
>>> My friend accepted the bottle, then tried in vain to remove the cap. Not a twist-off.
>>>
>>> "Opener?" he said.
>>>
>>> I handed him a small pocket knife, an antique without specialty blades. He soon discovered it could not be used to remove the cap directly. He looked at me with a bemused expression, no doubt wondering what I had up my sleeve this time.
>>>
>>> I pointed out that we were surrounded by white oaks, a species known for its hard wood. He got the message, smiled, and began hunting. Within seconds he'd collected a small fallen branch. I watched as he used the knife to fashion a few inches of it into a passable bottle opener. We popped the caps, toasted his new-found skill, and traded stories of our misspent youths.
>>>
>>> "Oh, one more thing," I said.
>>>
>>> I pulled a KX2 out of my pack, along with two lengths of wire. Of course he knew everything there was to know about Elecraft, and me, so he wasn't surprised when I also pulled out the rig's attachable keyer paddle. We threw one wire in the closest tree and laid the other on the ground.
>>>
>>> He didn't have to ask whether I'd brought a laptop.
>>>
>>> We listened to CW signals up and down 20 meters, which was open to Europe at the time. As he tuned in each station, I copied for him using pencil and paper. He'd learned Morse code, but only at very slow speeds.
>>>
>>> After making a contact, I set the internal keyer speed to 10 words per minute and dialed power output to zero, for practice purposes, then showed him how to use the paddle. He smiled as he got the hang of it. Sending the full alphabet was a challenge, but he got there. The KX2 decoded and displayed his keying, providing confirmation.
>>>
>>> We'd blown through his allotted lunch break by a factor of three, so it was time to go. We coiled up the antenna wires, packed up, and walked back. As I drove him back to his employer, we made plans to get together again for a weekend hike.
>>>
>>> I could have just dropped him off, but we went back into the lobby together. Out of habit, he stopped in front of the elevator. Then he looked up.
>>>
>>> "OK," he said. "I get it. This CW thing. It's slow, it's hard to do well, and it takes years of practice."
>>>
>>> "Like hunting for your own food, or carving your own tools," I added.
>>>
>>> "Or cooking from scratch. Or brewing your own beer. Building your own radio. And you use more of your senses. Not just your eyes, but your ears. Your sense of touch."
>>>
>>> I nodded. Listening. Feeling. That was the radio I'd grown up with.
>>>
>>> "Of course it's harder to work DX with CW than with FT8," I reminded him, playing devil's advocate.
>>>
>>> "Is that what matters, though?" he asked.
>>>
>>> A longer discussion for another day.
>>>
>>> "Your call," I said.
>>>
>>> He gripped my shoulder and smiled, then reached toward the elevator's glowing, ivory colored button, framed by polished brass.
>>>
>>> The path most taken.
>>>
>>> Point. Click.
>>>
>>> "On second thought," he said, "I'll take the stairs."
>>>
>>> * * *
>>>
>>> Wayne,
>>> N6KR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 23:00:59 -0400
>> From: Keith Hamilton <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
>> To: Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com>
>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re[2]: K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
>> Message-ID:
>>     <CAJkuCUZmuY7Ys=ypJjjEK0wt7o5ocWzVCZQL=SZkPC7E=YOemA at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> OK Dave -
>>
>> I will check the relays as you suggest. In troubleshooting capacitors I
>> messed up
>> C74. I pulled it off the board and sent a request to Elecraft for a
>> replacement.
>> That may solve the problem. In the meantime I will check the coils on the
>> K13 to K15
>> relays and let you know what I find.
>>
>> I did not see Don's post. I will check it out. So I will be waiting a bit
>> to fix this problem,
>>
>> 73 and thanks!
>> Keith N8CEP
>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 10:36 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Keith,
>>>
>>> I saw Don respond to this and he is right that K15 would be the common
>>> denominator if not for 15m. You can check to see if the coils are intact
>>> if you measure the resistance between pins 1 and 10 for each. It should
>>> be around 230 ohms or so. If you find one open or well away from that
>>> resistance, then it would indicate a bad coil on that relay.
>>>
>>> You can also measure the intended path through the relays for each band
>>> and make sure there are no unintended paths. If you can read the
>>> schematic, it shows the path with each relay in it's reset state. You
>>> would need to consult the table in Appendix B to see which relay(s) are
>>> active for a respective band and you can then measure the continuity of
>>> the intended path. You should also check any unintended paths which
>>> could indicate a problem.
>>>
>>> As Don stated, this is not a fun problem to find and will take some good
>>> debugging skills. So far, everything you've indicated seems to suggest
>>> the PLL oscillator and VCO circuits are working properly, but the range
>>> selection area is not producing the proper capacitance to allow the VCO
>>> to produce the proper frequency on those bands you indicated.
>>>
>>> If reading the schematic is a problem, let us know and I am sure between
>>> Don and myself, we can give you some step by step instructions for
>>> tracing through this problem.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Dave W8FGU
>>>
>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>> From: "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>> Sent: 7/13/2020 9:34:03 PM
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re[2]: K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> From: Keith Hamilton <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
>>>> Date: Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:19 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Elecraft] K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
>>>> To: Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> Yes the frequency changes when turning the VFO knob when measuring with
>>> CAL
>>>> FCTR on TP1.
>>>>
>>>> I have checked the markings on C71, C72, C73, and C74 (C75 is not
>>> installed
>>>> yet). They are
>>>> all correct and I resoldered them to be sure.
>>>>
>>>> I am beginning to think I might have a bad relay K13, K14 or K15. My good
>>>> bands are 80,40 and
>>>> 15 meters. My bad bands are 30,20,17,12 and 10 meters. Looking at the
>>> relay
>>>> table in appendix B
>>>> I am not sure which relay could be bad. How can I test them? Should I try
>>>> to replace them?
>>>> 73,
>>>> Keith N8CEP
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:58 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Ok Keith, just to make sure things are where we want on the bands that
>>>>> seem to work, does the frequency change when turning the VFO knob when
>>>>> measuring with CAL FCTR on TP1? If they do, then things are working ok.
>>>>>
>>>>> For the bands that are locked at 8.28v, that is the max output from the
>>>>> integrator circuit (U6B). This means that there is no lock between the
>>> PLL
>>>>> Oscillator and the VCO circuit and the PLL chip (U4) is trying to
>>> drive the
>>>>> varactors to provide more capacitance to the VCO circuit. The most
>>> likely
>>>>> cause will be a misplaced capacitor in the VCO range selector (C71 -
>>> C75)
>>>>> or a problem in the VCO circuit itself. But because this may be band
>>>>> dependent, I would look first in that range selection circuit. Verify
>>> that
>>>>> those caps are the proper values. They are easily misread and will
>>> cause
>>>>> the type of thing you are seeing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also verify those varactor diodes are the proper type and in the right
>>>>> places. Soldering issues are typically the leading cause of problems,
>>> so
>>>>> check that also. If all looks right to you, you may want to signal
>>> trace
>>>>> through that selection circuit to verify the proper relays and active
>>> for
>>>>> the bands not working. There is a relay table in Appendix B that shows
>>> you
>>>>> which relays are active for each band.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a brand new build, correct?
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Dave, W8FGU
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/13/2020 4:41:07 PM, "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Thanks for your help Dave!
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. I was able to get 6 volts on R30 by turning L30. At first the
>>> voltage
>>>>> was too high
>>>>> so I adjusted the turns on T5 by spreading the red windings further
>>> apart.
>>>>> Then I
>>>>> was able to get to 6 volts.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did a CAL FCTR with the probe on TP1 and the frequency set to 4000,
>>>>> The reading is 8912.22
>>>>>
>>>>> 73 Keith N8CEP
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 3:59 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Keith,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Were you able to get 6v on R30 by tuning L30? Did you have to bring
>>> the
>>>>>> voltage down or up by moving the windings on T5?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you would, set the VFO to 4 MHz and do a CAL FCTR on TP1 and let me
>>>>>> know what the reading is. I'm just looking for a couple of clues
>>> before
>>>>>> we proceed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>> Dave, W8FGU
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/13/2020 2:52:11 PM, "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I am having trouble with the K2 VCO alignment. I have moved the T5
>>>>>> windings
>>>>>>> and obtained 6 volts at the left end of R30. I then went on to the
>>> chart
>>>>>>> (table 6-1) to measure the voltages at the listed frequencies. My
>>>>>> readings
>>>>>>> are ok on 80 40 and 15 meters (between 1.5 to 7.5 volts) but on
>>> 30,20,17
>>>>>>> ,12 and 10 meters the voltage is 8.29 volts and does not change.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have checked the solder connections of T5 and the value of C72
>>> (271).
>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> diodes D21,D22,D23, D24, D25 and D26 are correctly installed. I also
>>> went
>>>>>>> over the solder connections of K13, K14 and K15.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now I'm stuck. Any help will be appreciated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Keioth Hamilton N8CEP
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 22:52:20 -0700
>> From: John <ve7day at telus.net>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 very slow to reach dialed rf output
>> Message-ID: <4783282c-475c-ce9f-64e7-45125d750249 at telus.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>>
>> When I dial up, or down rf output, it takes in excess of 30 seconds
>>
>> to reach the output level, which is much lower than requested.
>>
>> 3 "bars" on the rf meter.? That looks to be 20 to 25 watts.
>>
>> If I readjust the level, up or down, it takes another 30+
>>
>> seconds and it will not go over 3 "bars".
>>
>> Anyone offer any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> 73.
>>
>> John.
>>
>> ve7day.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 06:26:00 -0000
>> From: "Doug Turnbull" <turnbull at net1.ie>
>> To: "'Dauer, Edward'" <edauer at law.du.edu>, <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>,
>>     "'Victor Rosenthal    4X6GP'" <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs
>> Message-ID: <007201d659a7$a5099f10$ef1cdd30$@net1.ie>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Dear Friends,
>>       Nor are SSB, RTTY and PSK the same as CW but they all serve a purpose.
>> Any technology which allows one to work weaker signals with lower power is
>> going to make DXCC easier.    Even using CW it is infinitely easier to work
>> DXCC on multiple bands these days than back in the fifties, well maybe I
>> will make an exception for the 1958 era.    There are so many aids and
>> radios are better.    This is a technological hobby and now the guy with the
>> apartment and balcony might actually work DXCC.   Viva engineering.
>>                               73 Doug EI2CN
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
>> Behalf Of Dauer, Edward
>> Sent: Monday 13 July 2020 15:39
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs
>>
>> I agree fully with Victor; though the difference may be even simpler:
>>
>> Making a QSO using CW is a ham doing something with a radio.  Making a QSO
>> with FT8 is a radio doing something for a ham.
>>
>> Neither is better or worse; but they are different.
>>
>> Ted, KN1CBR
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 10:41:41 +0300
>> From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The
>>     Stairs"
>> Message-ID: <3ac27805-0645-14c9-582f-601efd94c278 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>> For me, it's simple.
>>
>> When I make a CW contact, even if its total content is "ENN TU", I am
>> connected to history, to Jack Phillips on the Titanic, to all of the
>> military traffic men and airborne radio operators of WWII, to the operators
>> on the merchant ships on the high seas and the Great Lakes, and to all the
>> hams of the past, even Mr. Marconi, the first ham.
>>
>> I like hearing the propagation change with my own ears and struggling to
>> capture an ESP-level call. I like the feel of the key and the sound of the
>> code. I like the idea that there is another person like me at the other end
>> with his or her hand on a key.
>>
>> I consider myself extremely lucky to have caught the bug at a young age and
>> developed the skill needed to make CW as transparent to me as my mother
>> tongue. I see how hard it is for those who begin to learn at middle age or
>> older. They shouldn't give up -- it's worth it.
>>
>> 73,
>> Victor, 4X6GP
>> Rehovot, Israel
>> Formerly K2VCO
>> CWops no. 5
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/__;!!NCZxaNi9jForCP_SxB
>> KJCA!F4lkQrp7vnWsJyPT-T7iUPs1Sk1a79YI92FbY7WOC4FPuQvWxE1lsChUamJuUgiP$
>> .
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 23:29:41 -0700 (MST)
>> From: dl2ki <dl2ki at online.de>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2 CW key shaping
>> Message-ID: <1594708181809-0.post at n2.nabble.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> since someone told me that there is a small "chirp" in my K2-CW signal, I
>> would like to check the signal visually.
>>
>> How can I display the CW Key envelope as shown in the document "Elecraft K2
>> Keying Modification Instructions", page 1.
>>
>> An oscilloscope "Tektronix 2465A" is at my disposal, but I have little
>> experience with measuring instruments, since I only use them occasionally.
>>
>> Thank you and 73
>> Wolfgang
>> DL2KI
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:00:04 +0300
>> From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2 CW key shaping
>> Message-ID: <2a588fd1-87c8-1bbe-9dec-1cf25ee18e85 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>> A chirp can't be seen visually on an oscilloscope (well, maybe on a
>> panadpter or spectrum analyzer if it is a very big one).
>>
>> A chirp is a change in frequency of the transmitted signal. It is not
>> the same as a click, which is a wide signal caused by too-short rise and
>> fall times of the keyed envelope, or a badly shaped envelope. You can
>> see the envelope shape on an oscilloscope. But the change in frequency
>> caused by a chirp is very small in comparison with the frequency of the
>> signal.
>>
>> The way to detect a chirp is to listen to the transmitted signal on a
>> second receiver. Your ear is very sensitive to changes in pitch.
>>
>> 73,
>> Victor, 4X6GP
>> Rehovot, Israel
>> Formerly K2VCO
>> CWops no. 5
>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>> .
>>> On 14/07/2020 9:29, dl2ki wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> since someone told me that there is a small "chirp" in my K2-CW signal, I
>>> would like to check the signal visually.
>>>
>>> How can I display the CW Key envelope as shown in the document "Elecraft K2
>>> Keying Modification Instructions", page 1.
>>>
>>> An oscilloscope "Tektronix 2465A" is at my disposal, but I have little
>>> experience with measuring instruments, since I only use them occasionally.
>>>
>>> Thank you and 73
>>> Wolfgang
>>> DL2KI
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 18:15:22 +1000
>> From: Matt Maguire <matt.vk2rq at gmail.com>
>> To: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2 CW key shaping
>> Message-ID:
>>     <CAM9P-wDRcnA5qhdZT5VMRg-LTt1tzah145Sah-Rvuk_CaziEPw at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> Generally a chirp would be due to an unstable power supply, resistance in
>> the fuse holder, etc.. It can also be cause by poor decoupling/loading of
>> the oscillator circuit, but in the case of a well-designed circuit like the
>> K2, this would normally  only arise with misplaced components or poor
>> connections.
>>
>> On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 at 18:01, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A chirp can't be seen visually on an oscilloscope (well, maybe on a
>>> panadpter or spectrum analyzer if it is a very big one).
>>>
>>> A chirp is a change in frequency of the transmitted signal. It is not
>>> the same as a click, which is a wide signal caused by too-short rise and
>>> fall times of the keyed envelope, or a badly shaped envelope. You can
>>> see the envelope shape on an oscilloscope. But the change in frequency
>>> caused by a chirp is very small in comparison with the frequency of the
>>> signal.
>>>
>>> The way to detect a chirp is to listen to the transmitted signal on a
>>> second receiver. Your ear is very sensitive to changes in pitch.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Victor, 4X6GP
>>> Rehovot, Israel
>>> Formerly K2VCO
>>> CWops no. 5
>>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>>> .
>>>> On 14/07/2020 9:29, dl2ki wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> since someone told me that there is a small "chirp" in my K2-CW signal, I
>>>> would like to check the signal visually.
>>>>
>>>> How can I display the CW Key envelope as shown in the document "Elecraft
>>> K2
>>>> Keying Modification Instructions", page 1.
>>>>
>>>> An oscilloscope "Tektronix 2465A" is at my disposal, but I have little
>>>> experience with measuring instruments, since I only use them
>>> occasionally.
>>>> Thank you and 73
>>>> Wolfgang
>>>> DL2KI
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 08:45:02 -0400
>> From: Rich NE1EE <73.de.ne1ee at gmail.com>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2 CW key shaping #chirp #click
>> Message-ID: <5f0da8e4.1c69fb81.c428c.778b at mx.google.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> I don't have any experience with chirps, but I can add this bit.
>>
>> If you can hear the change, then the change can be seen on an FFT. At least that would give a sense of whether the shift is up or down, if it is difficult to tell by listening. An FFT could also be applied to the RF, but, as Victor mentioned, the shift is small wrt the TX freq. It is NOT small wrt the decoded audio, however, which is why it was reported. So an FFT may well find it. There are different ways to get that analysis, and might not be worth the effort. One method would be to use a modern scope with FFT; another, a software scope such as the Zeitnitz scope; another might be fldigi. In the last two cases, you'd have to pipe the audio...that is the RX decoded audio...into the audio line in on a computer.
>>
>> But you still have to find out why...so maybe this FFT business isn't worth the effort...because you still then have to find the /cause/, even though you now have a pretty good idea where to look.
>>
>>> On 2020-07-14 18:15:+1000, you wrote:
>>> Generally a chirp would be due to an unstable power supply, resistance in
>>> the fuse holder, etc.. It can also be cause by poor decoupling/loading of
>>> the oscillator circuit, but in the case of a well-designed circuit like the
>>> K2, this would normally  only arise with misplaced components or poor
>>> connections.
>>>
>>> On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 at 18:01, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A chirp can't be seen visually on an oscilloscope (well, maybe on a > panadpter or spectrum analyzer if it is a very big one).
>>>>
>>>> A chirp is a change in frequency of the transmitted signal. It is not > the same as a click, which is a wide signal caused by too-short rise and > fall times of the keyed envelope, or a badly shaped envelope. You can > see the envelope shape on an oscilloscope. But the change in frequency > caused by a chirp is very small in comparison with the frequency of the > signal.
>>>>
>>>> The way to detect a chirp is to listen to the transmitted signal on a > second receiver. Your ear is very sensitive to changes in pitch.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Victor, 4X6GP
>>>> Rehovot, Israel
>>
>> ~R~
>> 72/73 de Rich NE1EE
>> On the banks of the Piscataqua
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 07:18:48 -0600
>> From: David Herring <david.n5dch at gmail.com>
>> To: John <ve7day at telus.net>
>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 very slow to reach dialed rf output
>> Message-ID: <2F66947C-C5C1-4844-88FC-A8AD034569A9 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>>
>> Sounds like your audio level it set too low.
>> Try adjusting that up. Don?t quote me, but if memory serves that has to be 4 bars with the 5th flickering.
>> A search through the archives will find that addressed many times.
>> Audio too low makes the K3 ?power hunt? which is what it sounds like yours is doing.
>>
>> 73,
>> David - N5DCH
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 13, 2020, at 11:52 PM, John <ve7day at telus.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> When I dial up, or down rf output, it takes in excess of 30 seconds
>>>
>>> to reach the output level, which is much lower than requested.
>>>
>>> 3 "bars" on the rf meter.  That looks to be 20 to 25 watts.
>>>
>>> If I readjust the level, up or down, it takes another 30+
>>>
>>> seconds and it will not go over 3 "bars".
>>>
>>> Anyone offer any suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> 73.
>>>
>>> John.
>>>
>>> ve7day.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 14
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 10:14:18 -0400
>> From: w4sc <w4sc at windstream.net>
>> To: "rayalbers at gmail.com" <rayalbers at gmail.com>,
>>     "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Sub receiver intermittant failures
>> Message-ID: <34.D4.21811.ABDBD0F5 at smtp04.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> If you have KSYN3A synthesizers installed, check for the following mod.
>>
>> Ref:  KSYN3A Synthesized Installation Instructions    pp 5
>>
>> https://ftp.elecraft.com/K3S/Manuals%20Downloads/E740257%20KSYN3A%20Installation%20Rev%20A6.pdf
>>
>> KREF3 Output Level Modification
>> https://ftp.elecraft.com/K3/Mod%20Notes%20Alerts/E740278%20KREF3%20Output%20Level%20Modification.pdf
>>
>> Ben  W4SC
>>
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 15
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 07:55:42 -0700
>> From: John <ve7day at telus.net>
>> To: David Herring <david.n5dch at gmail.com>
>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 very slow to reach dialed rf output
>> Message-ID: <50951251-3714-b9e1-512a-9f1729a9e00c at telus.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>> Thanks to all who had suggestions.
>>
>> Windows had made an update and changed audio settings.
>>
>> Problem solved.
>>
>> 73.
>>
>> John.
>>
>> ve7day.
>>
>>
>>> On 14/07/2020 6:18 a.m., David Herring wrote:
>>> Sounds like your audio level it set too low.
>>> Try adjusting that up. Don?t quote me, but if memory serves that has to be 4 bars with the 5th flickering.
>>> A search through the archives will find that addressed many times.
>>> Audio too low makes the K3 ?power hunt? which is what it sounds like yours is doing.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> David - N5DCH
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> On Jul 13, 2020, at 11:52 PM, John <ve7day at telus.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> When I dial up, or down rf output, it takes in excess of 30 seconds
>>>>
>>>> to reach the output level, which is much lower than requested.
>>>>
>>>> 3 "bars" on the rf meter.  That looks to be 20 to 25 watts.
>>>>
>>>> If I readjust the level, up or down, it takes another 30+
>>>>
>>>> seconds and it will not go over 3 "bars".
>>>>
>>>> Anyone offer any suggestions?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> 73.
>>>>
>>>> John.
>>>>
>>>> ve7day.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>> Message: 16
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 17:23:44 +0200
>> From: Steef PA2A <pa2a at xs4all.nl>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Replace backup battery CR2032 in a K3
>> Message-ID: <6f55f162f44aaa20ed25533a3d241e14 at xs4all.nl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> has anyone already changed the CR2032 backup battery in a K3? Under the
>> carton cover the battery has started to oxydize but the Voltage is still
>> 3.06 Volts after twelve years. I guess an external 3 Volts source should
>> be applied to save all settings during the replacement.
>>
>> 73s Steef PA2A, K3 #1184
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 17
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:39:39 -0400
>> From: Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com>
>> To: pa2a at xs4all.nl
>> Cc: Elecraft Refl <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Replace backup battery CR2032 in a K3
>> Message-ID: <658F7C2A-C712-48EE-9ECF-A0F8F7C07D8A at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>>
>> The battery supports the real time clock only.  You won?t lose any other settings if you replace it.
>>
>> Grant NQ5T
>>
>>> On Jul 14, 2020, at 11:23 AM, Steef PA2A <pa2a at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> has anyone already changed the CR2032 backup battery in a K3? Under the carton cover the battery has started to oxydize but the Voltage is still 3.06 Volts after twelve years. I guess an external 3 Volts source should be applied to save all settings during the replacement.
>>>
>>> 73s Steef PA2A, K3 #1184
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>> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 09:27:06 -0700
>> From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs
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>>> On 7/13/2020 11:26 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote:
>>> Even using CW it is infinitely easier to work
>>> DXCC on multiple bands these days than back in the fifties, well maybe I
>>> will make an exception for the 1958 era.
>> Except that noise levels have escalated by 20 dB since that era.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 19
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:53:08 -0500
>> From: Tony Estep <esteptony at gmail.com>
>> To: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs
>> Message-ID:
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>>>
>>> ...Even using CW it is infinitely easier to work
>>> DXCC on multiple bands these days than back in the fifties, well maybe I
>>> will make an exception for the 1958 era....
>>>
>> =================
>> Ha ha, yep. I worked DXCC as a Novice in 1957-58, all on 15 CW. It's true
>> that signals were popping in from all over the world at the time. But the
>> level and type of activity were completely different, of course. I worked
>> many countries still deemed to be rare via QSOs with local hams (e.g.
>> Johnston Island) or visiting scientists (e.g. Amsterdam Island), but only a
>> couple via DXpeditions (e.g. Navassa). Often you'd have an exchange of name
>> and qth, even with rare DX when others were waiting. You found DX by tuning
>> and listening, and most QSLing was via direct mail. A different world.
>> Now with clusters and micro-QSOs (5nn tu) you can knock off DXCC within 24
>> hours during a contest. Which is more fun? I dunno. Either way, hearing
>> your call come back from the other edge of the world can give a little jolt
>> of adrenaline, no matter how many times you've done it. I don't get any
>> jolt seeing my call on the FT8 scroll.
>>
>> 73,
>> Tony KT0NY
>>
>>
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>> Message: 20
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 14:26:36 -0400
>> From: Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com>
>> To: pa2a at xs4all.nl
>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Replace backup battery CR2032 in a K3
>> Message-ID: <CF12B903-E57F-4F8E-9E2A-9CAFE0628715 at widomaker.com>
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>> Don?t get too excited. I?m told it only keeps the clock running. All settings are in non-volatile  memory.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 14, 2020, at 11:25 AM, Steef PA2A <pa2a at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Hi,
>>>
>>> has anyone already changed the CR2032 backup battery in a K3? Under the carton cover the battery has started to oxydize but the Voltage is still 3.06 Volts after twelve years. I guess an external 3 Volts source should be applied to save all settings during the replacement.
>>>
>>> 73s Steef PA2A, K3 #1184
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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Wed Jul 15 11:13:40 2020
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 11:13:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Calibrating RX on the K144XV
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Hi Randy

I used to own the 144XV and yes, it was off frequency with no way to
actually tune the actual transverter.  I actually did add a GPSDO for a
reference that helped.

Next, it drifted all over the place.

So, to answer your question, yes, this is normal.

Mike va3mw


On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 10:38 AM Randy Diddel <k5rhd.73 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have recently installed a K144XV in my K3s.  From the factory, the
> offset value in the lower part of the band is +3.29 however, I tune into
> the Beam Spinner?s net every morning here in the Denver area on 144.200
> however, with the factory recommendation, I have to tune 144.199.75 to hear
> stations clearly.  Tuning the K3s?s VFO to 144.200, I have to change the
> offset to about +3.59 and then everyone sounds good and are ?on frequency.?
> There are several stations with have 9700?s so I would think they would be
> bang-on.
>
> So, should I set the offset by ear, should I recalibrate, or ???  I do own
> an XG3 so if I knew how to properly calibrate it, I could go that way too.
>
> Any help is appreciated!
>
> 73
>
> K5RHD
>
> /randy
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Wed Jul 15 11:15:47 2020
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 11:15:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 in the IARU Contest Last Weekend
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References: <001201d65a83$ae3828e0$0aa87aa0$@btinternet.com>
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My first thought is ?Heat?!


Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 15, 2020, at 4:43 AM, Ray Spreadbury via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi
> 
> I was a member of the UK HQ team for this 24hour IARU event last weekend and
> was one of the two Ops on 40M SSB. 
> 
> We took it in turns to be the Run station every 4 hours and I was using a
> 40M 2-El yagi at 60ft. I noticed that every 30-60mins, I needed to do a
> re-tune on the KPA1500 to keep the SWR at or near to 1.1:1, as it seemed to
> gradually creep up over time. The amp temp peaked at 70C but was mostly at
> about 55C. The SWR never got above 1.5:1 using KPA1500 screen but I know
> that the yagi was really presenting about 1.6:1 at the run frequency. When
> not operating as the Run station the other Op was in Partner mode spotting
> mults & helping with call identification.
> 
> We were using the WinTest logging program as this enables us to private
> network with the other UK HQ stations (one on CW & one on SSB for each
> contest band ie. a total 12 stations at any one time, plus Partners).
> Because of Covid, this year we were all single Ops working from home rather
> than just a few multi op stations.
> 
> My K3S & the KPA1500 worked faultlessly for the 24hours as did Wintest but I
> wonder what was the cause of the SWR increasing over time & needing a
> re-tune?
> 
> 73 Ray G3XLG
> 
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From jim at jtmiller.com  Wed Jul 15 11:32:56 2020
From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 11:32:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 in the IARU Contest Last Weekend
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Describe your antenna system.

Jim ab3cv

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 11:19 AM Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:

> My first thought is ?Heat?!
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
> > On Jul 15, 2020, at 4:43 AM, Ray Spreadbury via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> >
> > ?Hi
> >
> > I was a member of the UK HQ team for this 24hour IARU event last weekend
> and
> > was one of the two Ops on 40M SSB.
> >
> > We took it in turns to be the Run station every 4 hours and I was using a
> > 40M 2-El yagi at 60ft. I noticed that every 30-60mins, I needed to do a
> > re-tune on the KPA1500 to keep the SWR at or near to 1.1:1, as it seemed
> to
> > gradually creep up over time. The amp temp peaked at 70C but was mostly
> at
> > about 55C. The SWR never got above 1.5:1 using KPA1500 screen but I know
> > that the yagi was really presenting about 1.6:1 at the run frequency.
> When
> > not operating as the Run station the other Op was in Partner mode
> spotting
> > mults & helping with call identification.
> >
> > We were using the WinTest logging program as this enables us to private
> > network with the other UK HQ stations (one on CW & one on SSB for each
> > contest band ie. a total 12 stations at any one time, plus Partners).
> > Because of Covid, this year we were all single Ops working from home
> rather
> > than just a few multi op stations.
> >
> > My K3S & the KPA1500 worked faultlessly for the 24hours as did Wintest
> but I
> > wonder what was the cause of the SWR increasing over time & needing a
> > re-tune?
> >
> > 73 Ray G3XLG
> >
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From donovanf at starpower.net  Wed Jul 15 11:39:14 2020
From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 11:39:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 in the IARU Contest Last Weekend
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9yhMLSFF7TuHjygnEm3xETXz5nDqJ3TDPAmhJ2Ku=X19g@mail.gmail.com>
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Or water... 


Are you sure your coaxial cable, balun and connectors are all dry? 


>From your description, the last thing I'd examine is the KPA1500 


Good luck! 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 



On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 11:19 AM Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote: 

> My first thought is ?Heat?! 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> ...nr4c. bill 
> 
> 
> > On Jul 15, 2020, at 4:43 AM, Ray Spreadbury via Elecraft < 
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: 
> > 
> > Hi 
> > 
> > I was a member of the UK HQ team for this 24hour IARU event last weekend 
> and 
> > was one of the two Ops on 40M SSB. 
> > 
> > We took it in turns to be the Run station every 4 hours and I was using a 
> > 40M 2-El yagi at 60ft. I noticed that every 30-60mins, I needed to do a 
> > re-tune on the KPA1500 to keep the SWR at or near to 1.1:1, as it seemed 
> to 
> > gradually creep up over time. The amp temp peaked at 70C but was mostly 
> at 
> > about 55C. The SWR never got above 1.5:1 using KPA1500 screen but I know 
> > that the yagi was really presenting about 1.6:1 at the run frequency. 
> When 
> > not operating as the Run station the other Op was in Partner mode 
> spotting 
> > mults & helping with call identification. 
> > 
> > We were using the WinTest logging program as this enables us to private 
> > network with the other UK HQ stations (one on CW & one on SSB for each 
> > contest band ie. a total 12 stations at any one time, plus Partners). 
> > Because of Covid, this year we were all single Ops working from home 
> rather 
> > than just a few multi op stations. 
> > 
> > My K3S & the KPA1500 worked faultlessly for the 24hours as did Wintest 
> but I 
> > wonder what was the cause of the SWR increasing over time & needing a 
> > re-tune? 
> > 
> > 73 Ray G3XLG 
> > 
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From ray2.s at btinternet.com  Wed Jul 15 11:43:28 2020
From: ray2.s at btinternet.com (Ray Spreadbury)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 16:43:28 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 in the IARU Contest Last weekend
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A correspondent asked me why I needed to tune a resonant antenna.
The reason was because although the Yagi was tuned to resonate at about 7.130MHz it unfortunately has a rather narrow bandwidth. I needed to operate SSB in this contest in ITU Region 1 SSB, which is between 7.080MHz and 7.200MHZ. At 7.080MHz the SWR (with tuner bypassed) was 1.75:1 & at 7.200 was 1.95:1. I would be operating at power so I preferred to tune for 1.1:1.
Yes I know the Yagi is not very good with that narrow bandwidth, but it is what it is. Normally I operate CW only on 40M & tune it to 7.030 with the bandwidth covering the preferred Region 1 CW portion of the band ie7.000 to 7.040 and the tuner is not needed.
73 Ray G3XLG



From jim at jtmiller.com  Wed Jul 15 11:48:05 2020
From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 11:48:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 in the IARU Contest Last weekend
In-Reply-To: <5f0f24a1.1c69fb81.494a8.1b86SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
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Since it is so narrow I suspect it may be a trapped design or have loading
coils which at 1500w may be heating and detuning as a result.

73

jim ab3cv

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 11:45 AM Ray Spreadbury via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

>
>
> A correspondent asked me why I needed to tune a resonant antenna.
> The reason was because although the Yagi was tuned to resonate at about
> 7.130MHz it unfortunately has a rather narrow bandwidth. I needed to
> operate SSB in this contest in ITU Region 1 SSB, which is between 7.080MHz
> and 7.200MHZ. At 7.080MHz the SWR (with tuner bypassed) was 1.75:1 & at
> 7.200 was 1.95:1. I would be operating at power so I preferred to tune for
> 1.1:1.
> Yes I know the Yagi is not very good with that narrow bandwidth, but it is
> what it is. Normally I operate CW only on 40M & tune it to 7.030 with the
> bandwidth covering the preferred Region 1 CW portion of the band ie7.000 to
> 7.040 and the tuner is not needed.
> 73 Ray G3XLG
>
>
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From a.durbin at msn.com  Wed Jul 15 12:25:04 2020
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 16:25:04 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 and VSWR
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB296890FDF3C4219DDFAE94628C7E0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"With the lower VSWR, I never saw the PA temperature exceed 50?.  I suppose this shouldn't come as a surprise, but it does show the PA heating effects of even moderate load mismatches on a solid state amplifier designed for a 50 Ohm load. Just an anecdote that some may find interesting."

I have published actual test data that shows the very strong influence of PA load on PA dissipation for my KPA500.  SWR is not a good indicator of the load mismatch.  You must consider the complex load impedance to see the real picture.

For those who missed it the first time, one set of my test data is documented here - https://tinyurl.com/y93m99sw

The KPA500 monitor that I created is shown here - https://tinyurl.com/yalv5o6f


Andy, k3wyc



From a.durbin at msn.com  Wed Jul 15 12:33:08 2020
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 16:33:08 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB29688181A41DD2DF2DF4D1228C7E0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"A correspondent asked me why I needed to tune a resonant antenna."

Perhaps the question should have been "why may you need to match the impedance of a resonant antenna".   The answer may be that not all resonant antennas are 50 ohm.   Resonance only means that inductive and capacitive reactance are equal magnitude. Resonance says nothing about the value of R.

Andy, k3wyc

From john at kk9a.com  Wed Jul 15 12:36:56 2020
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 11:36:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 in the IARU Contest Last weekend
Message-ID: <20200715113656.Horde.Ez06_xF3RqQyKcmfjZAeHaW@www11.qth.com>

That is quite an assumption.  A 2el 40m beam with large efficient  
High-Q loading coils will have less bandwidth than for example one of  
the popular US manufactured beams that use 68 turns of small wire in  
each coil.  The latter is more likely to have heating issues.  I have  
never noticed any SWR changes or amplifier re-tuning with my 40m  
OptiBeams during heavy use.

John KK9A


Jim Miller AB3CV wrote:

Since it is so narrow I suspect it may be a trapped design or have loading
coils which at 1500w may be heating and detuning as a result.

73

jim ab3cv

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 11:45 AM Ray Spreadbury via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

>
>
> A correspondent asked me why I needed to tune a resonant antenna.
> The reason was because although the Yagi was tuned to resonate at about
> 7.130MHz it unfortunately has a rather narrow bandwidth. I needed to
> operate SSB in this contest in ITU Region 1 SSB, which is between 7.080MHz
> and 7.200MHZ. At 7.080MHz the SWR (with tuner bypassed) was 1.75:1 & at
> 7.200 was 1.95:1. I would be operating at power so I preferred to tune for
> 1.1:1.
> Yes I know the Yagi is not very good with that narrow bandwidth, but it is
> what it is. Normally I operate CW only on 40M & tune it to 7.030 with the
> bandwidth covering the preferred Region 1 CW portion of the band ie7.000 to
> 7.040 and the tuner is not needed.
> 73 Ray G3XLG


From w8fn at windstream.net  Wed Jul 15 13:26:48 2020
From: w8fn at windstream.net (Randy Farmer)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 13:26:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 and VSWR
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB296890FDF3C4219DDFAE94628C7E0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB296890FDF3C4219DDFAE94628C7E0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <24c529af-3593-d73e-b96a-dea0a4916522@windstream.net>

Good point, Andy. I never thought to use the complex impedance 
measurement capability of the LP-100A to see what the exact load 
impedance was with the old configuration.? If I have occasion to do any 
modifications on my 20-15-10 dipole, I'll try to remember to document 
the before and after load impedances (if it changes anything).

73...
Randy, W8FN

On 7/15/2020 12:25 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:
> I have published actual test data that shows the very strong influence of PA load on PA dissipation for my KPA500.  SWR is not a good indicator of the load mismatch.  You must consider the complex load impedance to see the real picture.


From bill at wjschmidt.com  Wed Jul 15 13:44:11 2020
From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 12:44:11 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
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References: <BYAPR16MB29688181A41DD2DF2DF4D1228C7E0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <015b01d65acf$8d865710$a8930530$@wjschmidt.com>

The obvious issue is not what the radio sees... It's what can happen on the
other side of the transform.  Voltages and currents that no one seems to
care about as long as their radio sees 50 ohms.


Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ 



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To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas

"A correspondent asked me why I needed to tune a resonant antenna."

Perhaps the question should have been "why may you need to match the
impedance of a resonant antenna".   The answer may be that not all resonant
antennas are 50 ohm.   Resonance only means that inductive and capacitive
reactance are equal magnitude. Resonance says nothing about the value of R.

Andy, k3wyc
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From d.cutter at ntlworld.com  Wed Jul 15 14:46:48 2020
From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (CUTTER DAVID)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 19:46:48 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 in the IARU Contest Last weekend
In-Reply-To: <20200715113656.Horde.Ez06_xF3RqQyKcmfjZAeHaW@www11.qth.com>
References: <20200715113656.Horde.Ez06_xF3RqQyKcmfjZAeHaW@www11.qth.com>
Message-ID: <1245664018.350867.1594838808426@mail2.virginmedia.com>

Ferrite-cored chokes (balun) heat up and change apparent swr.  

David G3UNA/G6CP

> On 15 July 2020 at 17:36 john at kk9a.com wrote:
> 
> 
> That is quite an assumption.  A 2el 40m beam with large efficient  
> High-Q loading coils will have less bandwidth than for example one of  
> the popular US manufactured beams that use 68 turns of small wire in  
> each coil.  The latter is more likely to have heating issues.  I have  
> never noticed any SWR changes or amplifier re-tuning with my 40m  
> OptiBeams during heavy use.
> 
> John KK9A
> 
> 
> Jim Miller AB3CV wrote:
> 
> Since it is so narrow I suspect it may be a trapped design or have loading
> coils which at 1500w may be heating and detuning as a result.
> 
> 73
> 
> jim ab3cv
> 
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 11:45 AM Ray Spreadbury via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > A correspondent asked me why I needed to tune a resonant antenna.
> > The reason was because although the Yagi was tuned to resonate at about
> > 7.130MHz it unfortunately has a rather narrow bandwidth. I needed to
> > operate SSB in this contest in ITU Region 1 SSB, which is between 7.080MHz
> > and 7.200MHZ. At 7.080MHz the SWR (with tuner bypassed) was 1.75:1 & at
> > 7.200 was 1.95:1. I would be operating at power so I preferred to tune for
> > 1.1:1.
> > Yes I know the Yagi is not very good with that narrow bandwidth, but it is
> > what it is. Normally I operate CW only on 40M & tune it to 7.030 with the
> > bandwidth covering the preferred Region 1 CW portion of the band ie7.000 to
> > 7.040 and the tuner is not needed.
> > 73 Ray G3XLG
> 
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From darryl at hazelgren.net  Wed Jul 15 15:04:51 2020
From: darryl at hazelgren.net (Darryl Hazelgren)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 13:04:51 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Mini and Win4K3 -- digital remote operation
Message-ID: <244E998F-66A4-4DDC-9D48-BE355492128E@hazelgren.net>

I am posting this message on the Remoterig forum as well as sending it to Elecraft (and anywhere else I can think of) to try to make some headway. 

In short: I wish to operate digital modes from my control station to my remote station using K3 Twin mode of Remoterig setup (K3/0 Mini and K3 100). Have been using the setup for eight years using CW and SSB. Want to add Win4K3 to the control side. Want to (continue to) run N1MM+, DXLab Suite and add WSJT software on the control side.

Can this be done?

I also so have a Rigblaster that I can add to the mix. Do I need that or any other hardware or software?

Below is an email sent to Tom at Win4K3 along with his response.



-------- Original message --------
From: Darryl Hazelgren <darryl at hazelgren.net>
Date: 2020-07-15 1:07 p.m. (GMT-05:00)
To: support at va2fsq.com
Subject: Help with K3/0 remote setup

Good morning Tom.

I have been successfully running a remote station using an Elecraft K3 at the remote site and Elecraft K3/0, K3/0 Mini and K3 100 rigs at the control site in my condo, which is about 15 miles away from the remote site, for about eight years. I am using Remoterig RRC 1258 MkII boxes in the twin mode. Software is current.

I run a KPA1500 which I control with the KPA1500 remote software. All antenna switching and rotating of Yagis is done with Green Heron and Array Solutions hardware and software.

I am a DXer and Contester (Phone and CW) using N1MM+ and DXLab Suites.

Now I want to start with the digital modes.

The computers on both sides are Windows 10 with latest updates. I downloaded the latest Com0Com software and created three pairs for use with N1MM+, DXLab and WSJT.

I downloaded the current Win4K3 app and began the setup. I am unable to advance beyond the Settings screen as I cannot get the K3/0 Mini drop down to connect. I have tried the virtual Com ports created by the Remoterig install app. I have connected to the USB port on the K3/0 Mini and verified that I have the latest version of software in the K3/0 Mini and noted the two ports the Mini uses. I have tried to connect via those. No joy.

The last two pages of the instruct me to: "Save the settings and then from the Tools menu on the radio control screen pick "Enable K3 / 0?. I cannot get to the next screen to access the Tools menu.

What am I missing?

I have friends using Win4K3 and they love it. I?m looking forward to joining them...

Answer from Tom, VA2FSQ:

Hi
I do not have a remote rig so I am not sure how this works.
However, before you can go to the other connections, you must have win4k3 working and connected. Win4k3 uses pretty well all k3 commands including some undocumented ones for the k30 and I cannot say for sure of this will work with remote rig. I will say, you cannot connect to the radio with any virtual ports unless it is properly managed by remote rig. All other connections have to be through win4k3.
73

From juhakasari at gmail.com  Wed Jul 15 15:19:46 2020
From: juhakasari at gmail.com (Juha - oh6os)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 12:19:46 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KXV3 GAP1
Message-ID: <1594840786652-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hello,

I burned out GAP1 on KXV3 board, too much RF, hi.

What is this component? Overvoltage? Need to know to chage it. Tnx.

juha oh6os



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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Jul 15 15:28:29 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 15:28:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re[2]: K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
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Keith,

C74 could explain a problem on 30, 20, and 12 meters, but you apparently 
have something else awry.

If you do not find a problem with the relay coils, you should next check 
the contacts of relays K13, K14 and K15.
On 20 meters, all the relays should be set - meaning you should have 
conductivity from pins 3 to 4 and not between pins 2 and 3.
Check the other side of the relays - conductivity between pins 7 and 8, 
and open between pins 8 and 9

Then check 80 meters, only K13 should be set - so check K14 and K15 
which are reset on that band - no conductivity between pins 4 and 3 and 
open between pins 2 and 3
Also check the other side, conductivity between pins 8 and 9 and open 
between 7 and 8.

Then switch to 30 meters and you can check the reset state of K13 -
Continuity between pins 2 and 3 and open between pins 3 and 4
Also conductivity between pins 8 and 9 and open between pins 7 and 8.

If all that checks out, look again at the capacitor values of C71, C72, 
and C73.  I know some of those capacitors are tight tucked between the 
relays, but bend them over a bit and use a good light and possibly a 
magnifier to read the markings.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 7/13/2020 11:00 PM, Keith Hamilton wrote:
> OK Dave -
> 
> I will check the relays as you suggest. In troubleshooting capacitors I
> messed up
> C74. I pulled it off the board and sent a request to Elecraft for a
> replacement.
> That may solve the problem. In the meantime I will check the coils on the
> K13 to K15
> relays and let you know what I find.
> 
> I did not see Don's post. I will check it out. So I will be waiting a bit
> to fix this problem,
> 
> 73 and thanks!
> Keith N8CEP
> 
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 10:36 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com> wrote:
> 
>> Keith,
>>
>> I saw Don respond to this and he is right that K15 would be the common
>> denominator if not for 15m. You can check to see if the coils are intact
>> if you measure the resistance between pins 1 and 10 for each. It should
>> be around 230 ohms or so. If you find one open or well away from that
>> resistance, then it would indicate a bad coil on that relay.
>>
>> You can also measure the intended path through the relays for each band
>> and make sure there are no unintended paths. If you can read the
>> schematic, it shows the path with each relay in it's reset state. You
>> would need to consult the table in Appendix B to see which relay(s) are
>> active for a respective band and you can then measure the continuity of
>> the intended path. You should also check any unintended paths which
>> could indicate a problem.
>>
>> As Don stated, this is not a fun problem to find and will take some good
>> debugging skills. So far, everything you've indicated seems to suggest
>> the PLL oscillator and VCO circuits are working properly, but the range
>> selection area is not producing the proper capacitance to allow the VCO
>> to produce the proper frequency on those bands you indicated.
>>
>> If reading the schematic is a problem, let us know and I am sure between
>> Don and myself, we can give you some step by step instructions for
>> tracing through this problem.
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave W8FGU
>>
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Sent: 7/13/2020 9:34:03 PM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re[2]: K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: Keith Hamilton <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:19 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Elecraft] K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
>>> To: Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> Yes the frequency changes when turning the VFO knob when measuring with
>> CAL
>>> FCTR on TP1.
>>>
>>> I have checked the markings on C71, C72, C73, and C74 (C75 is not
>> installed
>>> yet). They are
>>> all correct and I resoldered them to be sure.
>>>
>>> I am beginning to think I might have a bad relay K13, K14 or K15. My good
>>> bands are 80,40 and
>>> 15 meters. My bad bands are 30,20,17,12 and 10 meters. Looking at the
>> relay
>>> table in appendix B
>>> I am not sure which relay could be bad. How can I test them? Should I try
>>> to replace them?
>>> 73,
>>> Keith N8CEP
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:58 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>   Ok Keith, just to make sure things are where we want on the bands that
>>>>   seem to work, does the frequency change when turning the VFO knob when
>>>>   measuring with CAL FCTR on TP1? If they do, then things are working ok.
>>>>
>>>>   For the bands that are locked at 8.28v, that is the max output from the
>>>>   integrator circuit (U6B). This means that there is no lock between the
>> PLL
>>>>   Oscillator and the VCO circuit and the PLL chip (U4) is trying to
>> drive the
>>>>   varactors to provide more capacitance to the VCO circuit. The most
>> likely
>>>>   cause will be a misplaced capacitor in the VCO range selector (C71 -
>> C75)
>>>>   or a problem in the VCO circuit itself. But because this may be band
>>>>   dependent, I would look first in that range selection circuit. Verify
>> that
>>>>   those caps are the proper values. They are easily misread and will
>> cause
>>>>   the type of thing you are seeing.
>>>>
>>>>   Also verify those varactor diodes are the proper type and in the right
>>>>   places. Soldering issues are typically the leading cause of problems,
>> so
>>>>   check that also. If all looks right to you, you may want to signal
>> trace
>>>>   through that selection circuit to verify the proper relays and active
>> for
>>>>   the bands not working. There is a relay table in Appendix B that shows
>> you
>>>>   which relays are active for each band.
>>>>
>>>>   This is a brand new build, correct?
>>>>
>>>>   73,
>>>>   Dave, W8FGU
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   On 7/13/2020 4:41:07 PM, "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Thanks for your help Dave!
>>>>
>>>>   Yes. I was able to get 6 volts on R30 by turning L30. At first the
>> voltage
>>>>   was too high
>>>>   so I adjusted the turns on T5 by spreading the red windings further
>> apart.
>>>>   Then I
>>>>   was able to get to 6 volts.
>>>>
>>>>   I did a CAL FCTR with the probe on TP1 and the frequency set to 4000,
>>>>   The reading is 8912.22
>>>>
>>>>   73 Keith N8CEP
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 3:59 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>   Hi Keith,
>>>>>
>>>>>   Were you able to get 6v on R30 by tuning L30? Did you have to bring
>> the
>>>>>   voltage down or up by moving the windings on T5?
>>>>>
>>>>>   If you would, set the VFO to 4 MHz and do a CAL FCTR on TP1 and let me
>>>>>   know what the reading is. I'm just looking for a couple of clues
>> before
>>>>>   we proceed.
>>>>>
>>>>>   73,
>>>>>   Dave, W8FGU
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   On 7/13/2020 2:52:11 PM, "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   >I am having trouble with the K2 VCO alignment. I have moved the T5
>>>>>   windings
>>>>>   >and obtained 6 volts at the left end of R30. I then went on to the
>> chart
>>>>>   >(table 6-1) to measure the voltages at the listed frequencies. My
>>>>>   readings
>>>>>   >are ok on 80 40 and 15 meters (between 1.5 to 7.5 volts) but on
>> 30,20,17
>>>>>   >,12 and 10 meters the voltage is 8.29 volts and does not change.
>>>>>   >
>>>>>   >I have checked the solder connections of T5 and the value of C72
>> (271).
>>>>>   The
>>>>>   >diodes D21,D22,D23, D24, D25 and D26 are correctly installed. I also
>> went
>>>>>   >over the solder connections of K13, K14 and K15.
>>>>>   >
>>>>>   >Now I'm stuck. Any help will be appreciated.
>>>>>   >
>>>>>   >Keioth Hamilton N8CEP
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From wa8jxm at gmail.com  Wed Jul 15 15:30:58 2020
From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken WA8JXM)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 15:30:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
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Yes, a resonant half wave dipole can have a feedpoint impedance of 5 ohms
to 90 ohms (SWR 10:1 to 1.8:1), but it's still resonant.

Conversely, a non-resonant antenna can have a 1:1 SWR.

Ken WA8JXM

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 12:34 PM Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote:

> "A correspondent asked me why I needed to tune a resonant antenna."
>
> Perhaps the question should have been "why may you need to match the
> impedance of a resonant antenna".   The answer may be that not all resonant
> antennas are 50 ohm.   Resonance only means that inductive and capacitive
> reactance are equal magnitude. Resonance says nothing about the value of R.
>
> Andy, k3wyc
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Jul 15 15:43:19 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 15:43:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re[2]: K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
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References: <CAJkuCUYr82KErvj1b8pXtk2KKkyiW8GTus8e3BW64J4tw=+mdg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <ebeb05d0-5583-a33c-84ba-87a2d0d7eab0@embarqmail.com>

I made an error in checking K14 and K15 while on 80 meters.
It should have been conductivity between pins 2 and 3 and open between 
pins 3 and 4.
The state of the other side was correct - continuity between pins 8 and 
9 and open between 7 and 8.

73,
Don W3FPR
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Keith,

C74 could explain a problem on 30, 20, and 12 meters, but you apparently 
have something else awry.

If you do not find a problem with the relay coils, you should next check 
the contacts of relays K13, K14 and K15.
On 20 meters, all the relays should be set - meaning you should have 
conductivity from pins 3 to 4 and not between pins 2 and 3.
Check the other side of the relays - conductivity between pins 7 and 8, 
and open between pins 8 and 9

Then check 80 meters, only K13 should be set - so check K14 and K15 
which are reset on that band - no conductivity between pins 4 and 3 and 
open between pins 2 and 3
Also check the other side, conductivity between pins 8 and 9 and open 
between 7 and 8.

Then switch to 30 meters and you can check the reset state of K13 -
Continuity between pins 2 and 3 and open between pins 3 and 4
Also conductivity between pins 8 and 9 and open between pins 7 and 8.

If all that checks out, look again at the capacitor values of C71, C72, 
and C73. I know some of those capacitors are tight tucked between the 
relays, but bend them over a bit and use a good light and possibly a 
magnifier to read the markings.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 7/13/2020 11:00 PM, Keith Hamilton wrote:
> OK Dave -
>
> I will check the relays as you suggest. In troubleshooting capacitors I
> messed up
> C74. I pulled it off the board and sent a request to Elecraft for a
> replacement.
> That may solve the problem. In the meantime I will check the coils on the
> K13 to K15
> relays and let you know what I find.
>
> I did not see Don's post. I will check it out. So I will be waiting a bit
> to fix this problem,
>
> 73 and thanks!
> Keith N8CEP
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 10:36 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> Keith,
>>
>> I saw Don respond to this and he is right that K15 would be the common
>> denominator if not for 15m. You can check to see if the coils are intact
>> if you measure the resistance between pins 1 and 10 for each. It should
>> be around 230 ohms or so. If you find one open or well away from that
>> resistance, then it would indicate a bad coil on that relay.
>>
>> You can also measure the intended path through the relays for each band
>> and make sure there are no unintended paths. If you can read the
>> schematic, it shows the path with each relay in it's reset state. You
>> would need to consult the table in Appendix B to see which relay(s) are
>> active for a respective band and you can then measure the continuity of
>> the intended path. You should also check any unintended paths which
>> could indicate a problem.
>>
>> As Don stated, this is not a fun problem to find and will take some good
>> debugging skills. So far, everything you've indicated seems to suggest
>> the PLL oscillator and VCO circuits are working properly, but the range
>> selection area is not producing the proper capacitance to allow the VCO
>> to produce the proper frequency on those bands you indicated.
>>
>> If reading the schematic is a problem, let us know and I am sure between
>> Don and myself, we can give you some step by step instructions for
>> tracing through this problem.
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave W8FGU
>>
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Sent: 7/13/2020 9:34:03 PM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re[2]: K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: Keith Hamilton <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:19 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Elecraft] K2 7747 VCO alignment problem
>>> To: Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> Yes the frequency changes when turning the VFO knob when measuring with
>> CAL
>>> FCTR on TP1.
>>>
>>> I have checked the markings on C71, C72, C73, and C74 (C75 is not
>> installed
>>> yet). They are
>>> all correct and I resoldered them to be sure.
>>>
>>> I am beginning to think I might have a bad relay K13, K14 or K15. My 
>>> good
>>> bands are 80,40 and
>>> 15 meters. My bad bands are 30,20,17,12 and 10 meters. Looking at the
>> relay
>>> table in appendix B
>>> I am not sure which relay could be bad. How can I test them? Should 
>>> I try
>>> to replace them?
>>> 73,
>>> Keith N8CEP
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:58 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ok Keith, just to make sure things are where we want on the bands that
>>>> seem to work, does the frequency change when turning the VFO knob when
>>>> measuring with CAL FCTR on TP1? If they do, then things are working ok.
>>>>
>>>> For the bands that are locked at 8.28v, that is the max output from the
>>>> integrator circuit (U6B). This means that there is no lock between the
>> PLL
>>>> Oscillator and the VCO circuit and the PLL chip (U4) is trying to
>> drive the
>>>> varactors to provide more capacitance to the VCO circuit. The most
>> likely
>>>> cause will be a misplaced capacitor in the VCO range selector (C71 -
>> C75)
>>>> or a problem in the VCO circuit itself. But because this may be band
>>>> dependent, I would look first in that range selection circuit. Verify
>> that
>>>> those caps are the proper values. They are easily misread and will
>> cause
>>>> the type of thing you are seeing.
>>>>
>>>> Also verify those varactor diodes are the proper type and in the right
>>>> places. Soldering issues are typically the leading cause of problems,
>> so
>>>> check that also. If all looks right to you, you may want to signal
>> trace
>>>> through that selection circuit to verify the proper relays and active
>> for
>>>> the bands not working. There is a relay table in Appendix B that shows
>> you
>>>> which relays are active for each band.
>>>>
>>>> This is a brand new build, correct?
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Dave, W8FGU
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/13/2020 4:41:07 PM, "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your help Dave!
>>>>
>>>> Yes. I was able to get 6 volts on R30 by turning L30. At first the
>> voltage
>>>> was too high
>>>> so I adjusted the turns on T5 by spreading the red windings further
>> apart.
>>>> Then I
>>>> was able to get to 6 volts.
>>>>
>>>> I did a CAL FCTR with the probe on TP1 and the frequency set to 4000,
>>>> The reading is 8912.22
>>>>
>>>> 73 Keith N8CEP
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 3:59 PM Dave Van Wallaghen <dave at w8fgu.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Keith,
>>>>>
>>>>> Were you able to get 6v on R30 by tuning L30? Did you have to bring
>> the
>>>>> voltage down or up by moving the windings on T5?
>>>>>
>>>>> If you would, set the VFO to 4 MHz and do a CAL FCTR on TP1 and let me
>>>>> know what the reading is. I'm just looking for a couple of clues
>> before
>>>>> we proceed.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Dave, W8FGU
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/13/2020 2:52:11 PM, "Keith Hamilton" <n8cep.keith at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >I am having trouble with the K2 VCO alignment. I have moved the T5
>>>>> windings
>>>>> >and obtained 6 volts at the left end of R30. I then went on to the
>> chart
>>>>> >(table 6-1) to measure the voltages at the listed frequencies. My
>>>>> readings
>>>>> >are ok on 80 40 and 15 meters (between 1.5 to 7.5 volts) but on
>> 30,20,17
>>>>> >,12 and 10 meters the voltage is 8.29 volts and does not change.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I have checked the solder connections of T5 and the value of C72
>> (271).
>>>>> The
>>>>> >diodes D21,D22,D23, D24, D25 and D26 are correctly installed. I also
>> went
>>>>> >over the solder connections of K13, K14 and K15.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Now I'm stuck. Any help will be appreciated.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Keioth Hamilton N8CEP
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From wc1m73 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 15 15:58:21 2020
From: wc1m73 at gmail.com (wc1m73 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 15:58:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [WTB] Late-model bare bones K3 or K3S with SUB
Message-ID: <000001d65ae2$4af642d0$e0e2c870$@gmail.com>

I'm looking for a clean bare-bones 100W K3 or K3S with SUB, serial number
8000 or higher, with or without the new synth boards, no added filters, no
add-ons.

 

Thanks & 73,

Dick WC1M

 


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Jul 15 16:07:53 2020
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 13:07:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 in the IARU Contest Last weekend
In-Reply-To: <1245664018.350867.1594838808426@mail2.virginmedia.com>
References: <20200715113656.Horde.Ez06_xF3RqQyKcmfjZAeHaW@www11.qth.com>
	<1245664018.350867.1594838808426@mail2.virginmedia.com>
Message-ID: <81781e8b-5612-73c1-f2e5-deb484b2febc@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/15/2020 11:46 AM, CUTTER DAVID via Elecraft wrote:
> Ferrite-cored chokes (balun) heat up and change apparent swr.

Not if they are properly designed and properly applied. And not all 
antennas can be choked -- in general, only resonant antennas can be 
effectively choked. Chokes applied to non-resonant and/or poorly 
balanced antennas (like OCF wires) are, in general, NOT effective, and 
WILL likely overheat.

I suggest a study of
k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf and
http://k9yc.com/2018Cookbook.pdf

73, Jim K9YC

From d.cutter at ntlworld.com  Wed Jul 15 16:36:45 2020
From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (CUTTER DAVID)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 21:36:45 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 in the IARU Contest Last weekend
In-Reply-To: <81781e8b-5612-73c1-f2e5-deb484b2febc@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <20200715113656.Horde.Ez06_xF3RqQyKcmfjZAeHaW@www11.qth.com>
	<1245664018.350867.1594838808426@mail2.virginmedia.com>
	<81781e8b-5612-73c1-f2e5-deb484b2febc@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <2064574118.350451.1594845405663@mail2.virginmedia.com>


From k1rdd73 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 15 17:04:56 2020
From: k1rdd73 at gmail.com (Doug Daniels)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 17:04:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers
Message-ID: <CAEwXZzscp+_jtj96QmB3Dk44Ja7C2tVDTREynjp993GG6+GxpQ@mail.gmail.com>

I just built a window antenna feedthrough panel, and want some waterproof
covers for the unused bulkhead connectors. Most of the online reviews say
that even the ones advertised to be waterproof are in fact not waterproof.
Anyone have a source for ones that are?

-- 

--... ...--
Doug

From d.cutter at ntlworld.com  Wed Jul 15 17:13:57 2020
From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (CUTTER DAVID)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 22:13:57 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 in the IARU Contest Last weekend
In-Reply-To: <81781e8b-5612-73c1-f2e5-deb484b2febc@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <20200715113656.Horde.Ez06_xF3RqQyKcmfjZAeHaW@www11.qth.com>
	<1245664018.350867.1594838808426@mail2.virginmedia.com>
	<81781e8b-5612-73c1-f2e5-deb484b2febc@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <1290520460.354425.1594847637775@mail2.virginmedia.com>

Size is the most important parameter. 
 
I've read your tutorials several times and they are an inspiration but it's just like linear amplifiers: you can't say an amplifier designed for intermittent service like ssb or cw is poorly designed because it doesn't pass the BOK test. It's horses for courses. A properly designed choke for an ocfd will not over-heat but these are few and far between it seems.

David G3UNA/G6CP

> On 15 July 2020 at 21:07 Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> On 7/15/2020 11:46 AM, CUTTER DAVID via Elecraft wrote:
> > Ferrite-cored chokes (balun) heat up and change apparent swr.
> 
> Not if they are properly designed and properly applied. And not all 
> antennas can be choked -- in general, only resonant antennas can be 
> effectively choked. Chokes applied to non-resonant and/or poorly 
> balanced antennas (like OCF wires) are, in general, NOT effective, and 
> WILL likely overheat.
> 
> I suggest a study of
> k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf and
> http://k9yc.com/2018Cookbook.pdf
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From jimw3fa at gmail.com  Wed Jul 15 19:13:43 2020
From: jimw3fa at gmail.com (jimw3fa)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 19:13:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers
In-Reply-To: <CAEwXZzscp+_jtj96QmB3Dk44Ja7C2tVDTREynjp993GG6+GxpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5f0f8da8.1c69fb81.17301.01f4@mx.google.com>


Doug not knowing if you are looking for commercial solutions or McGyver ideas. I would think that old rubber hose pieces that fit snug or close held on with hose clamps should work. The end opposite the feed thru could be sealed with silicone or left open if a few inches from the wall.?I have also used old leaky garden hose over top of hydraulic hoses subjected to vibration rubbing or running RG cables inside of the hose that are exposed for additional protection.Just a cheap solution.JimSent via the Samsung Galaxy Note9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Doug Daniels <k1rdd73 at gmail.com> Date: 7/15/20  17:06  (GMT-05:00) To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers I just built a window antenna feedthrough panel, and want some waterproofcovers for the unused bulkhead connectors. Most of the online reviews saythat even the ones advertised to be waterproof are in fact not waterproof.Anyone have a source for ones that are?-- --... ...--Doug______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to jimw3fa at gmail.com 

From n0nb at n0nb.us  Wed Jul 15 19:39:50 2020
From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 18:39:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers
In-Reply-To: <CAEwXZzscp+_jtj96QmB3Dk44Ja7C2tVDTREynjp993GG6+GxpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEwXZzscp+_jtj96QmB3Dk44Ja7C2tVDTREynjp993GG6+GxpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20200715233950.jgpbcybbf3doiame@n0nb.us>

* On 2020 15 Jul 16:07 -0500, Doug Daniels wrote:
> I just built a window antenna feedthrough panel, and want some waterproof
> covers for the unused bulkhead connectors. Most of the online reviews say
> that even the ones advertised to be waterproof are in fact not waterproof.
> Anyone have a source for ones that are?

Anything you can slip on or off easily will not be water proof.  I have
used 3M rubber splicing tape to good effect over the years as it is self
vulcanizing.  Stretch it as you wrap it and it will fill the gaps.  Then
wrap it with a couple of layers of 3M Super 88 or 33+ electrical tape to
protect it from uV.

I've not tried what you're doing as I've covered splices (UHF to barrel
to UHF, etc) with this method and the connection at the feedpoint of
antennas.  I've opened them years later and everything is clean and dry.
The nice thing is that rubber will cut and peel away easier than the
butyl of Coax Seal and such.  I do use the butyl on connections for
repeaters, hard line ground kits, and such!

Link to the 3M rubber tape:

https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/Scotch-Rubber-Splicing-Tape-23/?N=5002385+8709319+8710676+8730567+3294318588&preselect=8710748+8744072&rt=rud


73, Nate, N0NB

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From tommy58 at hvc.rr.com  Wed Jul 15 19:52:26 2020
From: tommy58 at hvc.rr.com (Tommy)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 19:52:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers
In-Reply-To: <20200715233950.jgpbcybbf3doiame@n0nb.us>
References: <CAEwXZzscp+_jtj96QmB3Dk44Ja7C2tVDTREynjp993GG6+GxpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20200715233950.jgpbcybbf3doiame@n0nb.us>
Message-ID: <b30a4a79-466b-7226-56a3-8dbe92fd7625@hvc.rr.com>

I wrap some duct seal putty around mine. Get it at Home Depot for cheap. 
Works fine. I forget what I paid, around $2-3 for a brick of it I think. 
Stays soft and pliable.

73 de Tom - KB2SMS


On 7/15/20 7:39 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * On 2020 15 Jul 16:07 -0500, Doug Daniels wrote:
>> I just built a window antenna feedthrough panel, and want some waterproof
>> covers for the unused bulkhead connectors. Most of the online reviews say
>> that even the ones advertised to be waterproof are in fact not waterproof.
>> Anyone have a source for ones that are?

From k9gs at gjschwartz.com  Wed Jul 15 20:07:50 2020
From: k9gs at gjschwartz.com (Gary K9GS)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 19:07:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers
In-Reply-To: <CAEwXZzscp+_jtj96QmB3Dk44Ja7C2tVDTREynjp993GG6+GxpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.126.1594858083.3112.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>


Hi Doug,I've never done this but why not take a PL259, fill it with RTV or epoxy, let cure, install on the SO239, and then weatherproof like you would normally do?73,Gary K9GS
-------- Original message --------From: Doug Daniels <k1rdd73 at gmail.com> Date: 7/15/20  4:04 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers I just built a window antenna feedthrough panel, and want some waterproofcovers for the unused bulkhead connectors. Most of the online reviews saythat even the ones advertised to be waterproof are in fact not waterproof.Anyone have a source for ones that are?-- --... ...--Doug______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to k9gs at gjschwartz.com 

From w3tb.ted at gmail.com  Wed Jul 15 21:00:54 2020
From: w3tb.ted at gmail.com (Ted Edwards W3TB)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 21:00:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers
In-Reply-To: <20200716000917.5B344149B3DE@mail.qsl.net>
References: <CAEwXZzscp+_jtj96QmB3Dk44Ja7C2tVDTREynjp993GG6+GxpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20200716000917.5B344149B3DE@mail.qsl.net>
Message-ID: <CAGhFmTiAhQHGHPAJhymtYCY39NSJ2gQ8VkQDUHgXJhqTMi-eyg@mail.gmail.com>

First prepare an old PL-259 like Gary K9GS said.
Then go shopping in the plumbing area ? not in electrical ? and buy Rescue
Tape.  It stretches around that PL-259 to seal it up and sticks to itself
rather than to the connector.  Be careful because you won?t be able to
unwind it but will peak away when cut it with a knife.

And being a plumbing product it will seal to water.  It comes in colors.

I use it for all my outdoor connections. Good stuff!

And I have wondered about those Flex Seal products we see on TV.

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 20:09 Gary K9GS <k9gs at gjschwartz.com> wrote:

>
> Hi Doug,I've never done this but why not take a PL259, fill it with RTV or
> epoxy, let cure, install on the SO239, and then weatherproof like you would
> normally do?73,Gary K9GS
> -------- Original message --------From: Doug Daniels <k1rdd73 at gmail.com>
> Date: 7/15/20  4:04 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Elecraft Reflector <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers I
> just built a window antenna feedthrough panel, and want some
> waterproofcovers for the unused bulkhead connectors. Most of the online
> reviews saythat even the ones advertised to be waterproof are in fact not
> waterproof.Anyone have a source for ones that are?-- --...
> ...--Doug______________________________________________________________Elecraft
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so you can do tomorrow what others can't."

From linehangp at me.com  Wed Jul 15 21:13:22 2020
From: linehangp at me.com (George P Linehan III)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 18:13:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] ISO KX-1
Message-ID: <46CD7E0C-8694-47ED-97C9-D17B07071EB5@me.com>

Looking for all bands.   If I locate one, I?ll sell mine with 40,20 a 30 mtr board and tuner.  Please advise, Paul WA6YCA Tnx

From pubx1 at af2z.net  Wed Jul 15 21:50:40 2020
From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 21:50:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers
In-Reply-To: <b30a4a79-466b-7226-56a3-8dbe92fd7625@hvc.rr.com>
References: <CAEwXZzscp+_jtj96QmB3Dk44Ja7C2tVDTREynjp993GG6+GxpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20200715233950.jgpbcybbf3doiame@n0nb.us>
	<b30a4a79-466b-7226-56a3-8dbe92fd7625@hvc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3ed1659d-9d65-08de-625b-91b6d2dc679e@af2z.net>

I would use Coax Seal. Same idea as duct seal but it's more pliable, 
more wx resistant and a little stickier. It will last forever, never 
hardens and can be peeled off when needed. Might want to screw pl-259 
shells onto the socket threads first, then seal them. The sockets & 
shells will be pristine when you go to use them.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 07/15/20 18:52, Tommy wrote:
> I wrap some duct seal putty around mine. Get it at Home Depot for cheap. 
> Works fine. I forget what I paid, around $2-3 for a brick of it I think. 
> Stays soft and pliable.
> 
> 73 de Tom - KB2SMS
> 
> 
> On 7/15/20 7:39 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
>> * On 2020 15 Jul 16:07 -0500, Doug Daniels wrote:
>>> I just built a window antenna feedthrough panel, and want some 
>>> waterproof
>>> covers for the unused bulkhead connectors. Most of the online reviews 
>>> say
>>> that even the ones advertised to be waterproof are in fact not 
>>> waterproof.
>>> Anyone have a source for ones that are?
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From dave at nk7z.net  Wed Jul 15 22:57:07 2020
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 19:57:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers
In-Reply-To: <3ed1659d-9d65-08de-625b-91b6d2dc679e@af2z.net>
References: <CAEwXZzscp+_jtj96QmB3Dk44Ja7C2tVDTREynjp993GG6+GxpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20200715233950.jgpbcybbf3doiame@n0nb.us>
	<b30a4a79-466b-7226-56a3-8dbe92fd7625@hvc.rr.com>
	<3ed1659d-9d65-08de-625b-91b6d2dc679e@af2z.net>
Message-ID: <adbcc087-b8f5-1202-9222-5ce6531c1d38@nk7z.net>

American Radio Supply sells metal covers that thread onto SO-239, and 
have a soft rubber insert.  I have been using them on outdoor connectors 
for years now, and they work well...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 7/15/20 6:50 PM, Drew AF2Z wrote:
> I would use Coax Seal. Same idea as duct seal but it's more pliable, 
> more wx resistant and a little stickier. It will last forever, never 
> hardens and can be peeled off when needed. Might want to screw pl-259 
> shells onto the socket threads first, then seal them. The sockets & 
> shells will be pristine when you go to use them.
> 
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
> 
> 
> 
> On 07/15/20 18:52, Tommy wrote:
>> I wrap some duct seal putty around mine. Get it at Home Depot for 
>> cheap. Works fine. I forget what I paid, around $2-3 for a brick of it 
>> I think. Stays soft and pliable.
>>
>> 73 de Tom - KB2SMS
>>
>>
>> On 7/15/20 7:39 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
>>> * On 2020 15 Jul 16:07 -0500, Doug Daniels wrote:
>>>> I just built a window antenna feedthrough panel, and want some 
>>>> waterproof
>>>> covers for the unused bulkhead connectors. Most of the online 
>>>> reviews say
>>>> that even the ones advertised to be waterproof are in fact not 
>>>> waterproof.
>>>> Anyone have a source for ones that are?
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From k9gs at gjschwartz.com  Wed Jul 15 23:20:10 2020
From: k9gs at gjschwartz.com (Gary K9GS)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 22:20:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers
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I'm a big fan of rescue tape too.? No adhesive and cuts away very easily with a sharp blade.Home Depot sells a version:Nashua Tape	1 in. x 3.33 yd. Stretch and Seal Self-Fusing Silicone Tape in Blackhttps://www.homedepot.com/p/Nashua-Tape-1-in-x-3-33-yd-Stretch-and-Seal-Self-Fusing-Silicone-Tape-in-Black-1208952/100206050Walmart carries it too:https://www.walmart.com/ip/RESCUE-TAPE-Original-Silicone-Self-Fusing-Multi-Purpose-Tape-Orange/21154031?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=11052&&adid=22222222228000000000&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=m&wl3=42423897272&wl4=pla-51320962143&wl5=9018799&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=117084351&wl11=online&wl12=21154031&veh=sem&gclid=Cj0KCQjw0rr4BRCtARIsAB0_48MwYg3GYwxdnjFhsIbmpsQ4jhZ71aSUBZ8PhIGpokraWc5Wm6juwfQaAjzUEALw_wcB73,Gary K9GS
-------- Original message --------From: Ted Edwards W3TB <w3tb.ted at gmail.com> Date: 7/15/20  8:00 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Gary K9GS <k9gs at gjschwartz.com> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers First prepare an old PL-259 like Gary K9GS said.Then go shopping in the plumbing area ? not in electrical ? and buy Rescue Tape.? It stretches around that PL-259 to seal it up and sticks to itself rather than to the connector.? Be careful because you won?t be able to unwind it but will peak away when cut it with a knife. ?And being a plumbing product it will seal to water.? It comes in colors.?I use it for all my outdoor connections. Good stuff!And I have wondered about those Flex Seal products we see on TV.On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 20:09 Gary K9GS <k9gs at gjschwartz.com> wrote:
Hi Doug,I've never done this but why not take a PL259, fill it with RTV or epoxy, let cure, install on the SO239, and then weatherproof like you would normally do?73,Gary K9GS
-------- Original message --------From: Doug Daniels <k1rdd73 at gmail.com> Date: 7/15/20? 4:04 PM? (GMT-06:00) To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers I just built a window antenna feedthrough panel, and want some waterproofcovers for the unused bulkhead connectors. Most of the online reviews saythat even the ones advertised to be waterproof are in fact not waterproof.Anyone have a source for ones that are?-- --... ...--Doug______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to k9gs at gjschwartz.com 
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Jul 15 23:26:13 2020
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 20:26:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 in the IARU Contest Last weekend
In-Reply-To: <2064574118.350451.1594845405663@mail2.virginmedia.com>
References: <20200715113656.Horde.Ez06_xF3RqQyKcmfjZAeHaW@www11.qth.com>
	<1245664018.350867.1594838808426@mail2.virginmedia.com>
	<81781e8b-5612-73c1-f2e5-deb484b2febc@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<2064574118.350451.1594845405663@mail2.virginmedia.com>
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On 7/15/2020 1:36 PM, CUTTER DAVID wrote:
> It's all about size.? Bigger core helps, 

Dave,

No, it is NOT about size. It is about design of the entire antenna 
system, including the antenna, the feedline, and other parts needed to 
make the SYSTEM work. The principal characteristic of a common mode 
choke is the resistive component of its common mode impedance at the 
operating frequency(ies) where it will be used. Further, dissipation in 
the choke occurs at least as much in the WIRE that is wound around the 
core as in the core itself.

There is another fundamental error in many antenna systems that ONLY 
looks at matching to the transmitter at the transmitter, ignoring the 
match between the antenna and the transmission line, using high 
impedance, parallel wire line, and using a random center-fed or 
off-center fed horizontal wire on all bands. Yes, the transmitter can be 
made to supply power to the feedline, yes, it will get to the antenna, 
and yes, it will radiate. But it may not receive all that well due to 
common mode current on the line from noise sources in our own homes and 
those of our neighbors. THAT is the problem with using a decades-old 
design for a world where there was 20 dB less noise than most of us face 
today.

so a core that is OK for ssb
> and cw might be undersized for AM or some data modes. Just like linear 
> amplifiers.

So it is NOT the size of the core, it's the design of the antenna 
system. HFTA author and retired ARRL Antenna Book and Handbook editor 
Dean Straw, N6BV, published an excellent piece in QST 6-8 years ago 
called "Don't Blow Up Your Balun," in which he pointed out the 
differential mode dissipation in chokes, which can be extremely high if 
the choke is at a very high current point in a mismatched line. When he 
passed it to me for review, I noted that these losses were in addition 
to the common mode dissipation, and he revised the piece to reflect that.

  you can't
> label something poorly designed because it doesn't pass the BOK test.

BOK?

73, Jim K9YC


From forums at david-woolley.me.uk  Thu Jul 16 03:27:38 2020
From: forums at david-woolley.me.uk (David Woolley)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 08:27:38 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
In-Reply-To: <CAABDLm3M9UFMBX2GPp=UC7sUHhwEno6FJvLZreMOx-f55DnSQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29688181A41DD2DF2DF4D1228C7E0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
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You can only have a 1:1 SWR at a single impedance.  If the design 
impedance is purely resistive, that means you can only have 1:1 for a 
resistive and therefore on-resonance load (or one that can be treated as 
having no reactive behaviour at the frequencies of interest - e.g. an 
ideal dummy load).

On 15/07/2020 20:30, Ken WA8JXM wrote:
> Conversely, a non-resonant antenna can have a 1:1 SWR.


From ray2.s at btinternet.com  Thu Jul 16 03:56:56 2020
From: ray2.s at btinternet.com (Ray Spreadbury)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 08:56:56 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 in IARU Contest last Weekend
Message-ID: <005601d65b46$adec2120$09c46360$@btinternet.com>

Lots of ideas there but I agree it is most likely a heat issue, that's why I
quoted the max temp I saw in the KPA1500(70C). 

The 2-El yagi antenna is an EAntenna (Spanish design but now part of Wimo in
Germany). I wanted to get the 40M Optibeam Moxon but it was not available
for some months & being a bit impatient I bought this one. I now have the
Optibeam on order as I have had previous good experience with that Company.

Anyway it has a 5.6 metre boom with air spaced loading coils on the
reflector & director. It also has a ferrite choke balun just before the
hairpin match on the driven element. I'm confident that the coax and
connectors are good. Which means it was most likely either the balun or the
loading coils I guess. I never thought there was a problem on the Amp but I
just wondered what else it might be.

73 Ray G3XLG 


From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 04:14:11 2020
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 11:14:11 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 in the IARU Contest Last weekend
In-Reply-To: <77c02347-9128-d177-c3d8-171d02c8c36b@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <20200715113656.Horde.Ez06_xF3RqQyKcmfjZAeHaW@www11.qth.com>
	<1245664018.350867.1594838808426@mail2.virginmedia.com>
	<81781e8b-5612-73c1-f2e5-deb484b2febc@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<2064574118.350451.1594845405663@mail2.virginmedia.com>
	<77c02347-9128-d177-c3d8-171d02c8c36b@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <601787d0-e7a2-66cd-be2a-95d1711f5dd9@gmail.com>

Re open-wire fed antennas:

If the antenna is well-balanced and fed via a true balanced antenna 
tuner (preferably link-coupled) then there shouldn't be a problem with 
common mode currents.

Yes, you have to worry about nearby objects unbalancing the antenna, 
which is less of a problem with a choked coax-fed dipole. But being able 
to use a very simple single antenna from (for example) 7 to 28 mHz. with 
relatively good efficiency is advantageous.

My experiments with baluns seem to indicate that just using a current 
balun to go from an unbalanced transmitter or tuner to a balanced line 
works poorly unless you cancel out the reactance with a balanced network 
on the antenna side of the balun. All these tuners with "balanced" 
outputs provided by a balun (often a voltage balun) do not work well at all.

My best result with balanced lines has been with the Johnson Matchbox. 
It's a shame that there doesn't seem to be an equivalent available today 
(and it wouldn't be easy to procure the parts to build one).

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
On 16/07/2020 6:26, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 7/15/2020 1:36 PM, CUTTER DAVID wrote:
>> It's all about size.? Bigger core helps, 
> 
> Dave,
> 
> No, it is NOT about size. It is about design of the entire antenna 
> system, including the antenna, the feedline, and other parts needed to 
> make the SYSTEM work. The principal characteristic of a common mode 
> choke is the resistive component of its common mode impedance at the 
> operating frequency(ies) where it will be used. Further, dissipation in 
> the choke occurs at least as much in the WIRE that is wound around the 
> core as in the core itself.
> 
> There is another fundamental error in many antenna systems that ONLY 
> looks at matching to the transmitter at the transmitter, ignoring the 
> match between the antenna and the transmission line, using high 
> impedance, parallel wire line, and using a random center-fed or 
> off-center fed horizontal wire on all bands. Yes, the transmitter can be 
> made to supply power to the feedline, yes, it will get to the antenna, 
> and yes, it will radiate. But it may not receive all that well due to 
> common mode current on the line from noise sources in our own homes and 
> those of our neighbors. THAT is the problem with using a decades-old 
> design for a world where there was 20 dB less noise than most of us face 
> today.
> 
> so a core that is OK for ssb
>> and cw might be undersized for AM or some data modes. Just like linear 
>> amplifiers.
> 
> So it is NOT the size of the core, it's the design of the antenna 
> system. HFTA author and retired ARRL Antenna Book and Handbook editor 
> Dean Straw, N6BV, published an excellent piece in QST 6-8 years ago 
> called "Don't Blow Up Your Balun," in which he pointed out the 
> differential mode dissipation in chokes, which can be extremely high if 
> the choke is at a very high current point in a mismatched line. When he 
> passed it to me for review, I noted that these losses were in addition 
> to the common mode dissipation, and he revised the piece to reflect that.
> 
>  ?you can't
>> label something poorly designed because it doesn't pass the BOK test.
> 
> BOK?
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC

From ua9cdc at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 04:56:20 2020
From: ua9cdc at gmail.com (Igor Sokolov)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 13:56:20 +0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 in IARU Contest last Weekend
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References: <005601d65b46$adec2120$09c46360$@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <f64eda60-793a-1654-bfba-6a09d2dae9a7@gmail.com>

I had been using 40m 2 el EAntenna in the contest from Madeira running 
1.5KW from ACOM2000 with no issues at all. SWR was pretty stable. The 
antenna is rated for up to 10KW. There is a hairpin matching. Could it 
be that you had some loose contact there?

73, Igor UA9CDC


16.07.2020 12:56, Ray Spreadbury via Elecraft ?????:
> Lots of ideas there but I agree it is most likely a heat issue, that's why I
> quoted the max temp I saw in the KPA1500(70C).
>
> The 2-El yagi antenna is an EAntenna (Spanish design but now part of Wimo in
> Germany). I wanted to get the 40M Optibeam Moxon but it was not available
> for some months & being a bit impatient I bought this one. I now have the
> Optibeam on order as I have had previous good experience with that Company.
>
> Anyway it has a 5.6 metre boom with air spaced loading coils on the
> reflector & director. It also has a ferrite choke balun just before the
> hairpin match on the driven element. I'm confident that the coax and
> connectors are good. Which means it was most likely either the balun or the
> loading coils I guess. I never thought there was a problem on the Amp but I
> just wondered what else it might be.
>
> 73 Ray G3XLG
>
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From speedgray at aol.com  Thu Jul 16 06:18:03 2020
From: speedgray at aol.com (SPEED GRAY)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 06:18:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers
In-Reply-To: <20200716032039.2A321149B286@mail.qsl.net>
References: <20200716032039.2A321149B286@mail.qsl.net>
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I use SO-239 waterproof covers on my motorhome. They are small caps which screw on, and have a rubber gasket in the cap to keep water from entering. As best I can remember they work just fine.

I purchased mine at radio swaps from the guys that sell connectors. Also, try any of the wire/connector vendors on line. Debco Electronics probably have them; Gigaparts; R&L; etc.

Speed Gray, K8SG

> On Jul 15, 2020, at 11:20 PM, Gary K9GS <k9gs at gjschwartz.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I'm a big fan of rescue tape too.  No adhesive and cuts away very easily with a sharp blade.Home Depot sells a version:Nashua Tape    1 in. x 3.33 yd. Stretch and Seal Self-Fusing Silicone Tape in Blackhttps://www.homedepot.com/p/Nashua-Tape-1-in-x-3-33-yd-Stretch-and-Seal-Self-Fusing-Silicone-Tape-in-Black-1208952/100206050Walmart carries it too:https://www.walmart.com/ip/RESCUE-TAPE-Original-Silicone-Self-Fusing-Multi-Purpose-Tape-Orange/21154031?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=11052&&adid=22222222228000000000&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=m&wl3=42423897272&wl4=pla-51320962143&wl5=9018799&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=117084351&wl11=online&wl12=21154031&veh=sem&gclid=Cj0KCQjw0rr4BRCtARIsAB0_48MwYg3GYwxdnjFhsIbmpsQ4jhZ71aSUBZ8PhIGpokraWc5Wm6juwfQaAjzUEALw_wcB73,Gary K9GS
> -------- Original message --------From: Ted Edwards W3TB <w3tb.ted at gmail.com> Date: 7/15/20  8:00 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Gary K9GS <k9gs at gjschwartz.com> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers First prepare an old PL-259 like Gary K9GS said.Then go shopping in the plumbing area ? not in electrical ? and buy Rescue Tape.  It stretches around that PL-259 to seal it up and sticks to itself rather than to the connector.  Be careful because you won?t be able to unwind it but will peak away when cut it with a knife.  And being a plumbing product it will seal to water.  It comes in colors. I use it for all my outdoor connections. Good stuff!And I have wondered about those Flex Seal products we see on TV.On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 20:09 Gary K9GS <k9gs at gjschwartz.com> wrote:
> Hi Doug,I've never done this but why not take a PL259, fill it with RTV or epoxy, let cure, install on the SO239, and then weatherproof like you would normally do?73,Gary K9GS
> -------- Original message --------From: Doug Daniels <k1rdd73 at gmail.com> Date: 7/15/20  4:04 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers I just built a window antenna feedthrough panel, and want some waterproofcovers for the unused bulkhead connectors. Most of the online reviews saythat even the ones advertised to be waterproof are in fact not waterproof.Anyone have a source for ones that are?-- --... ...--Doug______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to k9gs at gjschwartz.com 
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From d.cutter at ntlworld.com  Thu Jul 16 08:13:43 2020
From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (CUTTER DAVID)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 13:13:43 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 in the IARU Contest Last weekend
In-Reply-To: <77c02347-9128-d177-c3d8-171d02c8c36b@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <20200715113656.Horde.Ez06_xF3RqQyKcmfjZAeHaW@www11.qth.com>
	<1245664018.350867.1594838808426@mail2.virginmedia.com>
	<81781e8b-5612-73c1-f2e5-deb484b2febc@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<2064574118.350451.1594845405663@mail2.virginmedia.com>
	<77c02347-9128-d177-c3d8-171d02c8c36b@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <638012834.367574.1594901623910@mail2.virginmedia.com>

Jim
We're drifting off topic and you're pushing at an open door. 

I accept that wire size has an influence, but in my experience on smaller cores (UK limit is 400W) wound with RG316 I have observed the core getting hotter than the wire.  

BOK = Brick On Key.  I think it was Alpha that used this in their advertising.

So, in the protagonist's system, if he finds his swr climbing for no apparent reason, rather than blaming the linear it might simply be the core of the choke getting too hot with continuous use.  A bigger core (or doubling up) helped me and it might help him. 

David G3UNA


> On 16 July 2020 at 04:26 Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> On 7/15/2020 1:36 PM, CUTTER DAVID wrote:
> > It's all about size.? Bigger core helps, 
> 
> Dave,
> 
> No, it is NOT about size. It is about design of the entire antenna 
> system, including the antenna, the feedline, and other parts needed to 
> make the SYSTEM work. The principal characteristic of a common mode 
> choke is the resistive component of its common mode impedance at the 
> operating frequency(ies) where it will be used. Further, dissipation in 
> the choke occurs at least as much in the WIRE that is wound around the 
> core as in the core itself.
> 
> There is another fundamental error in many antenna systems that ONLY 
> looks at matching to the transmitter at the transmitter, ignoring the 
> match between the antenna and the transmission line, using high 
> impedance, parallel wire line, and using a random center-fed or 
> off-center fed horizontal wire on all bands. Yes, the transmitter can be 
> made to supply power to the feedline, yes, it will get to the antenna, 
> and yes, it will radiate. But it may not receive all that well due to 
> common mode current on the line from noise sources in our own homes and 
> those of our neighbors. THAT is the problem with using a decades-old 
> design for a world where there was 20 dB less noise than most of us face 
> today.
> 
> so a core that is OK for ssb
> > and cw might be undersized for AM or some data modes. Just like linear 
> > amplifiers.
> 
> So it is NOT the size of the core, it's the design of the antenna 
> system. HFTA author and retired ARRL Antenna Book and Handbook editor 
> Dean Straw, N6BV, published an excellent piece in QST 6-8 years ago 
> called "Don't Blow Up Your Balun," in which he pointed out the 
> differential mode dissipation in chokes, which can be extremely high if 
> the choke is at a very high current point in a mismatched line. When he 
> passed it to me for review, I noted that these losses were in addition 
> to the common mode dissipation, and he revised the piece to reflect that.
> 
>   you can't
> > label something poorly designed because it doesn't pass the BOK test.
> 
> BOK?
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
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From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk  Thu Jul 16 08:35:17 2020
From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 09:35:17 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers
In-Reply-To: <adbcc087-b8f5-1202-9222-5ce6531c1d38@nk7z.net>
References: <CAEwXZzscp+_jtj96QmB3Dk44Ja7C2tVDTREynjp993GG6+GxpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20200715233950.jgpbcybbf3doiame@n0nb.us>
	<b30a4a79-466b-7226-56a3-8dbe92fd7625@hvc.rr.com>
	<3ed1659d-9d65-08de-625b-91b6d2dc679e@af2z.net>
	<adbcc087-b8f5-1202-9222-5ce6531c1d38@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <d20cdcfe-7c6e-711d-494f-f221f9186881@horizon.co.fk>

A great selection of bits. Unfortunately when I tried to order a couple 
of microphone connector dust caps for my K2 and K3. The system took the 
order but they refused to post them.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO

On 15/07/2020 23:57, Dave Cole wrote:
> American Radio Supply sells metal covers that thread onto SO-239, and 
> have a soft rubber insert.? I have been using them on outdoor connectors 
> for years now, and they work well...
> 
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL Technical Specialist
> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 08:59:49 2020
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 15:59:49 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers
In-Reply-To: <d20cdcfe-7c6e-711d-494f-f221f9186881@horizon.co.fk>
References: <d20cdcfe-7c6e-711d-494f-f221f9186881@horizon.co.fk>
Message-ID: <20DD8F9C-6854-41A2-82C3-490E94C5954F@gmail.com>

This is frustrating for those of us who don?t live in the US or Europe. Even before Corona I tried to order some hardware from McMaster-Carr in the US, only to be (somewhat unpleasantly) turned down. The same from other suppliers.
I don?t know what?s the big deal when we pay the postage. I used to send packages around the world when I was in the US, and there was only one simple customs form to fill out.

Victor 4X6GP 

> On 16 Jul 2020, at 15:35, Mike Harris via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?A great selection of bits. Unfortunately when I tried to order a couple of microphone connector dust caps for my K2 and K3. The system took the order but they refused to post them.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mike VP8NO
> 
>> On 15/07/2020 23:57, Dave Cole wrote:
>> American Radio Supply sells metal covers that thread onto SO-239, and have a soft rubber insert.  I have been using them on outdoor connectors for years now, and they work well...
>> 73, and thanks,
>> Dave (NK7Z)
>> https://www.nk7z.net
>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>> ARRL Technical Specialist
>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
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From infomet at embarqmail.com  Thu Jul 16 09:04:19 2020
From: infomet at embarqmail.com (Wilson Lamb)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 09:04:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] CWT Calibration
Message-ID: <1622182274.25646331.1594904659712.JavaMail.zimbra@embarqmail.com>

I have deduced that the bars in the CWT display are 25 Hz apart.
Does anyone know if that's right?
WL

From david.n5dch at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 09:31:57 2020
From: david.n5dch at gmail.com (David Herring)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 07:31:57 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers
In-Reply-To: <20DD8F9C-6854-41A2-82C3-490E94C5954F@gmail.com>
References: <d20cdcfe-7c6e-711d-494f-f221f9186881@horizon.co.fk>
	<20DD8F9C-6854-41A2-82C3-490E94C5954F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6E9DB1FA-64A0-4C53-A31C-E3D125DD8036@gmail.com>

Laziness maybe? Uninformed? I don?t know?frustrating for sure... I can tell you that some people *IN* the US can?t get things shipped.  I used to live in Hawaii, its a state in the US, no customs forms, we?d pay the shipping, and people STILL would not ship there. 

Staggers the imagination.

73,
David - N5DCH



> On Jul 16, 2020, at 6:59 AM, Vic Rosenthal <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> This is frustrating for those of us who don?t live in the US or Europe. Even before Corona I tried to order some hardware from McMaster-Carr in the US, only to be (somewhat unpleasantly) turned down. The same from other suppliers.
> I don?t know what?s the big deal when we pay the postage. I used to send packages around the world when I was in the US, and there was only one simple customs form to fill out.
> 
> Victor 4X6GP 
> 
>> On 16 Jul 2020, at 15:35, Mike Harris via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> ?A great selection of bits. Unfortunately when I tried to order a couple of microphone connector dust caps for my K2 and K3. The system took the order but they refused to post them.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Mike VP8NO
>> 
>>> On 15/07/2020 23:57, Dave Cole wrote:
>>> American Radio Supply sells metal covers that thread onto SO-239, and have a soft rubber insert.  I have been using them on outdoor connectors for years now, and they work well...
>>> 73, and thanks,
>>> Dave (NK7Z)
>>> https://www.nk7z.net
>>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>>> ARRL Technical Specialist
>>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
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From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Thu Jul 16 09:34:04 2020
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 13:34:04 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers
In-Reply-To: <adbcc087-b8f5-1202-9222-5ce6531c1d38@nk7z.net>
References: <CAEwXZzscp+_jtj96QmB3Dk44Ja7C2tVDTREynjp993GG6+GxpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20200715233950.jgpbcybbf3doiame@n0nb.us>
	<b30a4a79-466b-7226-56a3-8dbe92fd7625@hvc.rr.com>
	<3ed1659d-9d65-08de-625b-91b6d2dc679e@af2z.net>,
	<adbcc087-b8f5-1202-9222-5ce6531c1d38@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <DM6PR11MB44764FE61BFC4E05697A472AFB7F0@DM6PR11MB4476.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

https://www.americanradiosupply.com/pl-259-so-239-uhf-coaxial-protective-dust-cover-rain-cap/
[https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-47f02/products/114/images/5289/ARS_G510_CAP_IMG__21773.1507979153.200.200.jpg?c=2]<https://www.americanradiosupply.com/pl-259-so-239-uhf-coaxial-protective-dust-cover-rain-cap/>
PL-259 / SO-239 UHF Coaxial Protective Dust Cover - Rain Cap<https://www.americanradiosupply.com/pl-259-so-239-uhf-coaxial-protective-dust-cover-rain-cap/>
PL-259 SO-239 Coaxial Cap Protective Dust Cover - ARS-G510
www.americanradiosupply.com


Chuck Hawley
 c-hawley at illinois.edu

 Amateur Radio, KE9UW
 aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles

________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 9:57 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers

American Radio Supply sells metal covers that thread onto SO-239, and
have a soft rubber insert.  I have been using them on outdoor connectors
for years now, and they work well...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 7/15/20 6:50 PM, Drew AF2Z wrote:
> I would use Coax Seal. Same idea as duct seal but it's more pliable,
> more wx resistant and a little stickier. It will last forever, never
> hardens and can be peeled off when needed. Might want to screw pl-259
> shells onto the socket threads first, then seal them. The sockets &
> shells will be pristine when you go to use them.
>
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
>
>
>
> On 07/15/20 18:52, Tommy wrote:
>> I wrap some duct seal putty around mine. Get it at Home Depot for
>> cheap. Works fine. I forget what I paid, around $2-3 for a brick of it
>> I think. Stays soft and pliable.
>>
>> 73 de Tom - KB2SMS
>>
>>
>> On 7/15/20 7:39 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
>>> * On 2020 15 Jul 16:07 -0500, Doug Daniels wrote:
>>>> I just built a window antenna feedthrough panel, and want some
>>>> waterproof
>>>> covers for the unused bulkhead connectors. Most of the online
>>>> reviews say
>>>> that even the ones advertised to be waterproof are in fact not
>>>> waterproof.
>>>> Anyone have a source for ones that are?
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From dave at nk7z.net  Thu Jul 16 09:41:47 2020
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 06:41:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR11MB44764FE61BFC4E05697A472AFB7F0@DM6PR11MB4476.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAEwXZzscp+_jtj96QmB3Dk44Ja7C2tVDTREynjp993GG6+GxpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20200715233950.jgpbcybbf3doiame@n0nb.us>
	<b30a4a79-466b-7226-56a3-8dbe92fd7625@hvc.rr.com>
	<3ed1659d-9d65-08de-625b-91b6d2dc679e@af2z.net>
	<adbcc087-b8f5-1202-9222-5ce6531c1d38@nk7z.net>
	<DM6PR11MB44764FE61BFC4E05697A472AFB7F0@DM6PR11MB4476.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <e2abac93-22f0-1838-83d0-10c7aa31e5ea@nk7z.net>

By the way...  These caps also fit the mic connector on the front of the 
K3...

I use them extensively on all outdoor SO-239s, and one on the mic cover 
for the K3. :)

If you sign up for the mail list at American Radio Supply, they will 
send you a coupon for 10 bucks off a 25 buck order fairly routinely...

They are good folks, care about customer support, and in general provide 
a very good product for a good price.

I also use their PL-259s, and adapters for 8x, and they take solder, and 
hold up well...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 7/16/20 6:34 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
> https://www.americanradiosupply.com/pl-259-so-239-uhf-coaxial-protective-dust-cover-rain-cap/
> [https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-47f02/products/114/images/5289/ARS_G510_CAP_IMG__21773.1507979153.200.200.jpg?c=2]<https://www.americanradiosupply.com/pl-259-so-239-uhf-coaxial-protective-dust-cover-rain-cap/>
> PL-259 / SO-239 UHF Coaxial Protective Dust Cover - Rain Cap<https://www.americanradiosupply.com/pl-259-so-239-uhf-coaxial-protective-dust-cover-rain-cap/>
> PL-259 SO-239 Coaxial Cap Protective Dust Cover - ARS-G510
> www.americanradiosupply.com
> 
> 
> Chuck Hawley
>   c-hawley at illinois.edu
> 
>   Amateur Radio, KE9UW
>   aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles
> 
> ________________________________
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 9:57 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers
> 
> American Radio Supply sells metal covers that thread onto SO-239, and
> have a soft rubber insert.  I have been using them on outdoor connectors
> for years now, and they work well...
> 
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL Technical Specialist
> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
> 
> On 7/15/20 6:50 PM, Drew AF2Z wrote:
>> I would use Coax Seal. Same idea as duct seal but it's more pliable,
>> more wx resistant and a little stickier. It will last forever, never
>> hardens and can be peeled off when needed. Might want to screw pl-259
>> shells onto the socket threads first, then seal them. The sockets &
>> shells will be pristine when you go to use them.
>>
>> 73,
>> Drew
>> AF2Z
>>
>>
>>
>> On 07/15/20 18:52, Tommy wrote:
>>> I wrap some duct seal putty around mine. Get it at Home Depot for
>>> cheap. Works fine. I forget what I paid, around $2-3 for a brick of it
>>> I think. Stays soft and pliable.
>>>
>>> 73 de Tom - KB2SMS
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/15/20 7:39 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
>>>> * On 2020 15 Jul 16:07 -0500, Doug Daniels wrote:
>>>>> I just built a window antenna feedthrough panel, and want some
>>>>> waterproof
>>>>> covers for the unused bulkhead connectors. Most of the online
>>>>> reviews say
>>>>> that even the ones advertised to be waterproof are in fact not
>>>>> waterproof.
>>>>> Anyone have a source for ones that are?
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From zk2boy at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 16 10:21:38 2020
From: zk2boy at hotmail.com (zk2boy)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 11:21:38 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 15K Resistor
Message-ID: <BYAPR02MB5221D44F0C1AC761E0EDE353987F0@BYAPR02MB5221.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Building my K2 serial #6397. The instructions said use a 15K resistor to do a mod in the AGC circuit per an application note. It promised an extra resistor was included in the K2 kit for this. I did the mod per the app note, but find I now am short a 15K resistor for the RF board.?My question: I have lots of bags of K2 accessories unbuilt yet. Any chance somebody with a central database knows if there is a 15K resistor in an accessory kit that I could borrow and replace later? I know I don't have such a resistor in my junk cupboard.Murray? VA1CQ

From wglevy at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 10:26:03 2020
From: wglevy at gmail.com (William Levy)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 08:26:03 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
Message-ID: <CAGAru0_HHfRTVRdSs439xfYUxqf4C1N_GrxMokZpieL64Cc1Og@mail.gmail.com>

What I want to see on this list is when the K4 goes into production.
Everything else is immaterial. That is what I am looking for. The Eureka
announcement.

I can not tell you how many things, parts, drugs, cars, boats,planes,
lumber,steel, food, travel are impacted by the pandemic that this is little
stuff and the K3 still soldiers on waiting for it's retirement, hopefully
sooner than later.

From jd at ko8v.net  Thu Jul 16 10:39:54 2020
From: jd at ko8v.net (Joe DeVincentis)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:39:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
In-Reply-To: <CAGAru0_HHfRTVRdSs439xfYUxqf4C1N_GrxMokZpieL64Cc1Og@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGAru0_HHfRTVRdSs439xfYUxqf4C1N_GrxMokZpieL64Cc1Og@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E7C2DF45-8AB2-4C2B-9AE9-60864FA4FB71@ko8v.net>

Eric did a Zoom meeting with the East Coast Ham Operators (ECHO) group on 7/14 (Tuesday).

It was nice to see and hear some of the history of Elecraft.

The question of K4 production was asked.  He was very forthright.  They have adjusted their manufacturing process for employee safety.  Good to hear.

Eric said that the hold up right now is parts.  Unfortunately they can't control the big manufacturers.  It does sound like production will be soon.  Personally, I can't wait.  The more I hear about the radio, the more excited I get.  I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas to get here.

IIRC, ECHO plans to post the video on their youtube channel soon (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP-gkJVxKm1iS43RwYsaKuA <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP-gkJVxKm1iS43RwYsaKuA>)

73,
Joe, KO8V

> On Jul 16, 2020, at 10:26, William Levy <wglevy at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What I want to see on this list is when the K4 goes into production.
> Everything else is immaterial. That is what I am looking for. The Eureka
> announcement.
> 
> I can not tell you how many things, parts, drugs, cars, boats,planes,
> lumber,steel, food, travel are impacted by the pandemic that this is little
> stuff and the K3 still soldiers on waiting for it's retirement, hopefully
> sooner than later.


From hsherriff at reagan.com  Thu Jul 16 11:14:51 2020
From: hsherriff at reagan.com (Harlan Sherriff)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 11:14:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 15K Resistor
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR02MB5221D44F0C1AC761E0EDE353987F0@BYAPR02MB5221.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR02MB5221D44F0C1AC761E0EDE353987F0@BYAPR02MB5221.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <C37F8954-89FA-4530-B12A-F86D3D0B9555@reagan.com>

Not trying to be a smarty, but take a quick look at list of components in each ?accessory? building guide. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 16, 2020, at 10:23 AM, zk2boy <zk2boy at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Building my K2 serial #6397. The instructions said use a 15K resistor to do a mod in the AGC circuit per an application note. It promised an extra resistor was included in the K2 kit for this. I did the mod per the app note, but find I now am short a 15K resistor for the RF board. My question: I have lots of bags of K2 accessories unbuilt yet. Any chance somebody with a central database knows if there is a 15K resistor in an accessory kit that I could borrow and replace later? I know I don't have such a resistor in my junk cupboard.Murray  VA1CQ
> ______________________________________________________________
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From k2asp at kanafi.org  Thu Jul 16 11:21:19 2020
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 08:21:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers
In-Reply-To: <3ed1659d-9d65-08de-625b-91b6d2dc679e@af2z.net>
References: <CAEwXZzscp+_jtj96QmB3Dk44Ja7C2tVDTREynjp993GG6+GxpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20200715233950.jgpbcybbf3doiame@n0nb.us>
	<b30a4a79-466b-7226-56a3-8dbe92fd7625@hvc.rr.com>
	<3ed1659d-9d65-08de-625b-91b6d2dc679e@af2z.net>
Message-ID: <cb9caa06-f495-ab2d-e6cd-ac17cc34fd34@kanafi.org>

On 7/15/2020 6:50 PM, Drew AF2Z wrote:

> I would use Coax Seal. Same idea as duct seal but it's more pliable,
> more wx resistant and a little stickier. It will last forever, never
> hardens and can be peeled off when needed. Might want to screw pl-259
> shells onto the socket threads first, then seal them. The sockets &
> shells will be pristine when you go to use them.

Don't forget to tighten the connector 1/4 turn after "finger tight" with
a pair of pliers to make a real seal.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

From k2asp at kanafi.org  Thu Jul 16 11:30:01 2020
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 08:30:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers
In-Reply-To: <d20cdcfe-7c6e-711d-494f-f221f9186881@horizon.co.fk>
References: <CAEwXZzscp+_jtj96QmB3Dk44Ja7C2tVDTREynjp993GG6+GxpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20200715233950.jgpbcybbf3doiame@n0nb.us>
	<b30a4a79-466b-7226-56a3-8dbe92fd7625@hvc.rr.com>
	<3ed1659d-9d65-08de-625b-91b6d2dc679e@af2z.net>
	<adbcc087-b8f5-1202-9222-5ce6531c1d38@nk7z.net>
	<d20cdcfe-7c6e-711d-494f-f221f9186881@horizon.co.fk>
Message-ID: <a6e380d6-5199-1140-0c9d-6e13946a2cdc@kanafi.org>

On 7/16/2020 5:35 AM, Mike Harris via Elecraft wrote:

> A great selection of bits. Unfortunately when I tried to order a couple
> of microphone connector dust caps for my K2 and K3. The system took the
> order but they refused to post them.

Sometimes the vendor refuses to send to a post office box.  What works
then, at least in the USA, is to specify the street address plus the PO
Box as if it was an apartment number.  I always get a laugh when UPS
refuses to accept the PO Box as a delivery address, but their Big Brown
Truck pulls up to the PO loading dock anyway.

This, of course, does not apply to items that the Postal Service will
not handle, such as batteries and corrosive liquids.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

From keith at elecraft.com  Thu Jul 16 11:57:23 2020
From: keith at elecraft.com (Keith Trinity WE6R)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 08:57:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Calibrating RX on the K144XV
In-Reply-To: <669BA91B-AB38-4A9A-B7C6-83DA33D4A970@gmail.com>
References: <669BA91B-AB38-4A9A-B7C6-83DA33D4A970@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f7425031-b242-4d92-3aed-63612793e204@elecraft.com>

After it is at a stable temp, just change the offset number so it is on 
frequency.
Do this below and above 146.000Mhz as there are two sections in the unit.

Easiest way is to inject an exact 146.0000 signal, set the radio to 
fine, IE 46.00000  go into offset menu and tap SPOT.
Then click down to 45.999999 on the radio and do the other side.
Switch back and forth with the VFO, the tone should stay very close. Set 
the offsets accordingly if needed.

If there is too much drift, then order the OPTIONAL K144XV Reflock board 
(installs inside the K144) and will lock it to the K3's main oscillator, 
which is more stable.
They pulled the RefLock from the website but we did do another small run.
We have 7 in stock currently.
Keith WE6R
Elecraft K3 Tech.



From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Thu Jul 16 12:26:14 2020
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 08:26:14 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: CQ VHF Contest this weekend
Message-ID: <202007161626.06GGQFNx000829@mail47c28.carrierzone.com>

Although not about Elecraft products:

I though there may be some 6m ops on the list looking to work Alaska (KL7).

I will be on with 3-element yagi pointed to West Coast of US running 
80w on 50.313 (900-Hz) FT8.  I will be using "Contest Mode" which 
exchanges four-digit grid squares instead of signal 
report.  <https://www.cqww-vhf.com/>https://www.cqww-vhf.com/

Normally run even (first) sequence to work West Coast that normally 
are on odd (second) sequence.  But either sequence OK as I will adapt.

Opening last Sunday netted several stations in Pac NW for me.  But I 
have seen CO, NM, TX, and AL

73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Thu Jul 16 12:41:18 2020
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 09:41:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 in the IARU Contest Last weekend
In-Reply-To: <601787d0-e7a2-66cd-be2a-95d1711f5dd9@gmail.com>
References: <20200715113656.Horde.Ez06_xF3RqQyKcmfjZAeHaW@www11.qth.com>
	<1245664018.350867.1594838808426@mail2.virginmedia.com>
	<81781e8b-5612-73c1-f2e5-deb484b2febc@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<2064574118.350451.1594845405663@mail2.virginmedia.com>
	<77c02347-9128-d177-c3d8-171d02c8c36b@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<601787d0-e7a2-66cd-be2a-95d1711f5dd9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <06E4A46D-20D9-4CC3-B5DA-394BF0794ED6@wunderwood.org>

There is some sort of popular folk theorem that open wire feed line doesn?t carry common mode currents. It is obviously wrong. Both wires high, both wires low, and that is common mode. Any RF that excites both dipole elements high against ground will cause common mode currents on the feed line. ?Balance? does not fix that.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jul 16, 2020, at 1:14 AM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Re open-wire fed antennas:
> 
> If the antenna is well-balanced and fed via a true balanced antenna tuner (preferably link-coupled) then there shouldn't be a problem with common mode currents.
> 
> Yes, you have to worry about nearby objects unbalancing the antenna, which is less of a problem with a choked coax-fed dipole. But being able to use a very simple single antenna from (for example) 7 to 28 mHz. with relatively good efficiency is advantageous.
> 
> My experiments with baluns seem to indicate that just using a current balun to go from an unbalanced transmitter or tuner to a balanced line works poorly unless you cancel out the reactance with a balanced network on the antenna side of the balun. All these tuners with "balanced" outputs provided by a balun (often a voltage balun) do not work well at all.
> 
> My best result with balanced lines has been with the Johnson Matchbox. It's a shame that there doesn't seem to be an equivalent available today (and it wouldn't be easy to procure the parts to build one).
> 
> 73,
> Victor, 4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> Formerly K2VCO
> CWops no. 5
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
> On 16/07/2020 6:26, Jim Brown wrote:
>> On 7/15/2020 1:36 PM, CUTTER DAVID wrote:
>>> It's all about size.  Bigger core helps, 
>> Dave,
>> No, it is NOT about size. It is about design of the entire antenna system, including the antenna, the feedline, and other parts needed to make the SYSTEM work. The principal characteristic of a common mode choke is the resistive component of its common mode impedance at the operating frequency(ies) where it will be used. Further, dissipation in the choke occurs at least as much in the WIRE that is wound around the core as in the core itself.
>> There is another fundamental error in many antenna systems that ONLY looks at matching to the transmitter at the transmitter, ignoring the match between the antenna and the transmission line, using high impedance, parallel wire line, and using a random center-fed or off-center fed horizontal wire on all bands. Yes, the transmitter can be made to supply power to the feedline, yes, it will get to the antenna, and yes, it will radiate. But it may not receive all that well due to common mode current on the line from noise sources in our own homes and those of our neighbors. THAT is the problem with using a decades-old design for a world where there was 20 dB less noise than most of us face today.
>> so a core that is OK for ssb
>>> and cw might be undersized for AM or some data modes. Just like linear amplifiers.
>> So it is NOT the size of the core, it's the design of the antenna system. HFTA author and retired ARRL Antenna Book and Handbook editor Dean Straw, N6BV, published an excellent piece in QST 6-8 years ago called "Don't Blow Up Your Balun," in which he pointed out the differential mode dissipation in chokes, which can be extremely high if the choke is at a very high current point in a mismatched line. When he passed it to me for review, I noted that these losses were in addition to the common mode dissipation, and he revised the piece to reflect that.
>>  you can't
>>> label something poorly designed because it doesn't pass the BOK test.
>> BOK?
>> 73, Jim K9YC
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From k1rdd73 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 12:47:58 2020
From: k1rdd73 at gmail.com (Doug Daniels)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 12:47:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers
In-Reply-To: <CAEwXZzscp+_jtj96QmB3Dk44Ja7C2tVDTREynjp993GG6+GxpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEwXZzscp+_jtj96QmB3Dk44Ja7C2tVDTREynjp993GG6+GxpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEwXZzu=pcK-Q9A1_BCiEj9SqHY0Y=3nh7rDDB2eYNEs7B9zzA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for all the responses and suggestions. I've decided to go with the
American Radio Supply covers, as they looked the best quality. I'll combine
them with some Scotch/3M/rescue tape/coax-seal, whatever I can source
locally. I would have gone with the PL-259 idea if I'd had any used ones
around.

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 5:04 PM Doug Daniels <k1rdd73 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I just built a window antenna feedthrough panel, and want some waterproof
> covers for the unused bulkhead connectors. Most of the online reviews say
> that even the ones advertised to be waterproof are in fact not waterproof.
> Anyone have a source for ones that are?
>
> --
>
> --... ...--
> Doug
>


-- 

--... ...--
Doug

From jstengrevics at comcast.net  Thu Jul 16 13:03:16 2020
From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 13:03:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Can't Hear My Sending CW on K3S
Message-ID: <E2C58778-0757-45E7-A7C3-133AFBF2DA07@comcast.net>

When I send CW on my K3S, I cannot hear it either on the speaker or phones.  As most probably are, I am dependent on the auditory feedback to send CW properly.

I suspect I have a setting wrong.

Any advice would be much appreciated.

73,

John
WA1EAZ

From w9ac at arrl.net  Thu Jul 16 13:03:20 2020
From: w9ac at arrl.net (Paul Christensen)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 13:03:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
Message-ID: <000f01d65b93$02c51980$084f4c80$@arrl.net>

>"And I have one that says "RTTY" but it's now a Digital DXCC.  I had to
resort to FT8 to work Monaco to get on the Digital Honor Roll, with the
other 330 having been on RTTY."

Just to quickly add my input before the topic is canned.

I'm not enamored with FT8 but just for grins, I conducted an FT8 experiment
a few months ago to see how many countries I could work with no antenna
terminated at the end of a broken open-feeder transmission line.  That's
right - no antenna, just a hunk of balanced open feeder line that sits
unterminated on my backyard fence.  Using a 100W rig with output power
turned down to 20W, SWR is off-scale.  I work on my own gear.  If I blow it
up, so be it.  

Over a few weeks I worked about 35 countries on 20m and 11 countries on 40m,
all FT8 of course.    No antenna and sky high SWR.  By now, folks are
thinking."yeah no antenna, but your line is the antenna, balanced or not."
That's right.  There's just enough imbalance between the two conductor
feeders that the line has some radiation.  The imbalance is caused by the
usual culprits like proximity to aluminum gutters and some inherent
imbalance between the rig and feeder.  However, it just goes to show that
skill to make FT8 DX contacts rests largely with the algorithm.  Frankly,
most of the skill needed is in learning to install and configure the WSJT-X
software - which isn't difficult.  As such, I find it amusing that anyone
considers FT8 an accomplishment - and a semi-automatic one at that.  But for
those who feel it is an accomplishment, there's no point in denying their
satisfaction.

Paul  W9AC 





From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Jul 16 13:16:34 2020
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 13:16:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Can't Hear My Sending CW on K3S
In-Reply-To: <E2C58778-0757-45E7-A7C3-133AFBF2DA07@comcast.net>
References: <E2C58778-0757-45E7-A7C3-133AFBF2DA07@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8F5C9A57-CBAE-4675-AAB4-B248A3E541FD@widomaker.com>

You probably have the TX Monitor set to zero. Press and hold for 3 sec the Comp/Pwr knob. VFO B display will change to TX MON and show setting. Adjust as needed (2-5 should be in ballpark). 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 16, 2020, at 1:05 PM, John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?When I send CW on my K3S, I cannot hear it either on the speaker or phones.  As most probably are, I am dependent on the auditory feedback to send CW properly.
> 
> I suspect I have a setting wrong.
> 
> Any advice would be much appreciated.
> 
> 73,
> 
> John
> WA1EAZ
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From scott.small at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 13:20:35 2020
From: scott.small at gmail.com (Tox)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:20:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
In-Reply-To: <E7C2DF45-8AB2-4C2B-9AE9-60864FA4FB71@ko8v.net>
References: <CAGAru0_HHfRTVRdSs439xfYUxqf4C1N_GrxMokZpieL64Cc1Og@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7C2DF45-8AB2-4C2B-9AE9-60864FA4FB71@ko8v.net>
Message-ID: <CADkB6UqAShUcW5KncPaUyp2Nu1fhWQ1KXQca5Tskz9wTvtZyJQ@mail.gmail.com>

The parts availability issue was supposed to have been resolved pre-covid.
Wondering what the facts are.
(not griefing you, just frustrated by Nov,Dec/Jan,Mar/Apr,Jul/Aug
 string-along)

Scott


On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 7:40 AM Joe DeVincentis <jd at ko8v.net> wrote:

> Eric did a Zoom meeting with the East Coast Ham Operators (ECHO) group on
> 7/14 (Tuesday).
>
> It was nice to see and hear some of the history of Elecraft.
>
> The question of K4 production was asked.  He was very forthright.  They
> have adjusted their manufacturing process for employee safety.  Good to
> hear.
>
> Eric said that the hold up right now is parts.  Unfortunately they can't
> control the big manufacturers.  It does sound like production will be
> soon.  Personally, I can't wait.  The more I hear about the radio, the more
> excited I get.  I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas to get here.
>
> IIRC, ECHO plans to post the video on their youtube channel soon (
> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP-gkJVxKm1iS43RwYsaKuA <
> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP-gkJVxKm1iS43RwYsaKuA>)
>
> 73,
> Joe, KO8V
>
> > On Jul 16, 2020, at 10:26, William Levy <wglevy at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > What I want to see on this list is when the K4 goes into production.
> > Everything else is immaterial. That is what I am looking for. The Eureka
> > announcement.
> >
> > I can not tell you how many things, parts, drugs, cars, boats,planes,
> > lumber,steel, food, travel are impacted by the pandemic that this is
> little
> > stuff and the K3 still soldiers on waiting for it's retirement, hopefully
> > sooner than later.
>
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-- 
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From dave at nk7z.net  Thu Jul 16 13:31:00 2020
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:31:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Can't Hear My Sending CW on K3S
In-Reply-To: <8F5C9A57-CBAE-4675-AAB4-B248A3E541FD@widomaker.com>
References: <E2C58778-0757-45E7-A7C3-133AFBF2DA07@comcast.net>
	<8F5C9A57-CBAE-4675-AAB4-B248A3E541FD@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <7e3f76b1-a9f5-5d63-da37-bc62fab5718d@nk7z.net>

Put the K3 in CW mode, then press and hold the CMP/PWR/MON knob, the 
display will change to MON, that is your sidetone adjustment.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 7/16/20 10:16 AM, Nr4c wrote:
> You probably have the TX Monitor set to zero. Press and hold for 3 sec the Comp/Pwr knob. VFO B display will change to TX MON and show setting. Adjust as needed (2-5 should be in ballpark).
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2020, at 1:05 PM, John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?When I send CW on my K3S, I cannot hear it either on the speaker or phones.  As most probably are, I am dependent on the auditory feedback to send CW properly.
>>
>> I suspect I have a setting wrong.
>>
>> Any advice would be much appreciated.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
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From dave at nk7z.net  Thu Jul 16 13:33:13 2020
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:33:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
In-Reply-To: <CADkB6UqAShUcW5KncPaUyp2Nu1fhWQ1KXQca5Tskz9wTvtZyJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGAru0_HHfRTVRdSs439xfYUxqf4C1N_GrxMokZpieL64Cc1Og@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7C2DF45-8AB2-4C2B-9AE9-60864FA4FB71@ko8v.net>
	<CADkB6UqAShUcW5KncPaUyp2Nu1fhWQ1KXQca5Tskz9wTvtZyJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2157adb4-8d24-abe7-8cbc-b77d5bacc2ec@nk7z.net>

Lets see, solved pre COVID, then COVID arrives, and messes up all 
existing scheduling...  No surprise here...

I doubt Elecraft has initiated a "string-along" process...  All good 
things take time...  In the middle of all this COVID crap, I am 
surprised Elecraft can do repair and return...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 7/16/20 10:20 AM, Tox wrote:
> The parts availability issue was supposed to have been resolved pre-covid.
> Wondering what the facts are.
> (not griefing you, just frustrated by Nov,Dec/Jan,Mar/Apr,Jul/Aug
>   string-along)
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 7:40 AM Joe DeVincentis <jd at ko8v.net> wrote:
> 
>> Eric did a Zoom meeting with the East Coast Ham Operators (ECHO) group on
>> 7/14 (Tuesday).
>>
>> It was nice to see and hear some of the history of Elecraft.
>>
>> The question of K4 production was asked.  He was very forthright.  They
>> have adjusted their manufacturing process for employee safety.  Good to
>> hear.
>>
>> Eric said that the hold up right now is parts.  Unfortunately they can't
>> control the big manufacturers.  It does sound like production will be
>> soon.  Personally, I can't wait.  The more I hear about the radio, the more
>> excited I get.  I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas to get here.
>>
>> IIRC, ECHO plans to post the video on their youtube channel soon (
>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP-gkJVxKm1iS43RwYsaKuA <
>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP-gkJVxKm1iS43RwYsaKuA>)
>>
>> 73,
>> Joe, KO8V
>>
>>> On Jul 16, 2020, at 10:26, William Levy <wglevy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> What I want to see on this list is when the K4 goes into production.
>>> Everything else is immaterial. That is what I am looking for. The Eureka
>>> announcement.
>>>
>>> I can not tell you how many things, parts, drugs, cars, boats,planes,
>>> lumber,steel, food, travel are impacted by the pandemic that this is
>> little
>>> stuff and the K3 still soldiers on waiting for it's retirement, hopefully
>>> sooner than later.
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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> 
> 

From scott.small at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 13:34:38 2020
From: scott.small at gmail.com (Tox)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:34:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
In-Reply-To: <2157adb4-8d24-abe7-8cbc-b77d5bacc2ec@nk7z.net>
References: <CAGAru0_HHfRTVRdSs439xfYUxqf4C1N_GrxMokZpieL64Cc1Og@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7C2DF45-8AB2-4C2B-9AE9-60864FA4FB71@ko8v.net>
	<CADkB6UqAShUcW5KncPaUyp2Nu1fhWQ1KXQca5Tskz9wTvtZyJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2157adb4-8d24-abe7-8cbc-b77d5bacc2ec@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <CADkB6UoMiDHAeDi9+V1crkktdQ5rL3mcNUXn8i+CYCwqc_uDMA@mail.gmail.com>

November Delivery, pushed to Dec/Jan was no surprise.
Dec/Jan delivery unlikely to have been a casualty of COVID.

Scott


On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 10:33 AM Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:

> Lets see, solved pre COVID, then COVID arrives, and messes up all
> existing scheduling...  No surprise here...
>
> I doubt Elecraft has initiated a "string-along" process...  All good
> things take time...  In the middle of all this COVID crap, I am
> surprised Elecraft can do repair and return...
>
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL Technical Specialist
> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>
> On 7/16/20 10:20 AM, Tox wrote:
> > The parts availability issue was supposed to have been resolved
> pre-covid.
> > Wondering what the facts are.
> > (not griefing you, just frustrated by Nov,Dec/Jan,Mar/Apr,Jul/Aug
> >   string-along)
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 7:40 AM Joe DeVincentis <jd at ko8v.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Eric did a Zoom meeting with the East Coast Ham Operators (ECHO) group
> on
> >> 7/14 (Tuesday).
> >>
> >> It was nice to see and hear some of the history of Elecraft.
> >>
> >> The question of K4 production was asked.  He was very forthright.  They
> >> have adjusted their manufacturing process for employee safety.  Good to
> >> hear.
> >>
> >> Eric said that the hold up right now is parts.  Unfortunately they can't
> >> control the big manufacturers.  It does sound like production will be
> >> soon.  Personally, I can't wait.  The more I hear about the radio, the
> more
> >> excited I get.  I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas to get here.
> >>
> >> IIRC, ECHO plans to post the video on their youtube channel soon (
> >> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP-gkJVxKm1iS43RwYsaKuA <
> >> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP-gkJVxKm1iS43RwYsaKuA>)
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Joe, KO8V
> >>
> >>> On Jul 16, 2020, at 10:26, William Levy <wglevy at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> What I want to see on this list is when the K4 goes into production.
> >>> Everything else is immaterial. That is what I am looking for. The
> Eureka
> >>> announcement.
> >>>
> >>> I can not tell you how many things, parts, drugs, cars, boats,planes,
> >>> lumber,steel, food, travel are impacted by the pandemic that this is
> >> little
> >>> stuff and the K3 still soldiers on waiting for it's retirement,
> hopefully
> >>> sooner than later.
> >>
> >> ______________________________________________________________
> >> Elecraft mailing list
> >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From ted.roycraft at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 13:39:22 2020
From: ted.roycraft at gmail.com (Ted Roycraft)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 13:39:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
In-Reply-To: <2157adb4-8d24-abe7-8cbc-b77d5bacc2ec@nk7z.net>
References: <CAGAru0_HHfRTVRdSs439xfYUxqf4C1N_GrxMokZpieL64Cc1Og@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7C2DF45-8AB2-4C2B-9AE9-60864FA4FB71@ko8v.net>
	<CADkB6UqAShUcW5KncPaUyp2Nu1fhWQ1KXQca5Tskz9wTvtZyJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2157adb4-8d24-abe7-8cbc-b77d5bacc2ec@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <b6504d07-9074-f5fe-d7be-9d2d67ac1ef4@gmail.com>

I imagine that there is no one who wants the K4 out the door more than 
Elecraft does.? It makes no sense to think that they are intentionally 
dragging their feet.

73, Ted, W2ZK?? (eagerly awaiting the delivery of my K4 too)

On 7/16/2020 13:33, Dave Cole wrote:
> Lets see, solved pre COVID, then COVID arrives, and messes up all 
> existing scheduling...? No surprise here...
>
> I doubt Elecraft has initiated a "string-along" process...? All good 
> things take time...? In the middle of all this COVID crap, I am 
> surprised Elecraft can do repair and return...
>
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL Technical Specialist
> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>
> On 7/16/20 10:20 AM, Tox wrote:
>> The parts availability issue was supposed to have been resolved 
>> pre-covid.
>> Wondering what the facts are.
>> (not griefing you, just frustrated by Nov,Dec/Jan,Mar/Apr,Jul/Aug
>> ? string-along)
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 7:40 AM Joe DeVincentis <jd at ko8v.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Eric did a Zoom meeting with the East Coast Ham Operators (ECHO) 
>>> group on
>>> 7/14 (Tuesday).
>>>
>>> It was nice to see and hear some of the history of Elecraft.
>>>
>>> The question of K4 production was asked.? He was very forthright.? They
>>> have adjusted their manufacturing process for employee safety.? Good to
>>> hear.
>>>
>>> Eric said that the hold up right now is parts.? Unfortunately they 
>>> can't
>>> control the big manufacturers.? It does sound like production will be
>>> soon.? Personally, I can't wait.? The more I hear about the radio, 
>>> the more
>>> excited I get.? I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas to get here.
>>>
>>> IIRC, ECHO plans to post the video on their youtube channel soon (
>>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP-gkJVxKm1iS43RwYsaKuA <
>>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP-gkJVxKm1iS43RwYsaKuA>)
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Joe, KO8V
>>>
>>>> On Jul 16, 2020, at 10:26, William Levy <wglevy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What I want to see on this list is when the K4 goes into production.
>>>> Everything else is immaterial. That is what I am looking for. The 
>>>> Eureka
>>>> announcement.
>>>>
>>>> I can not tell you how many things, parts, drugs, cars, boats,planes,
>>>> lumber,steel, food, travel are impacted by the pandemic that this is
>>> little
>>>> stuff and the K3 still soldiers on waiting for it's retirement, 
>>>> hopefully
>>>> sooner than later.
>>>
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Jul 16 13:47:01 2020
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:47:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
In-Reply-To: <CADkB6UqAShUcW5KncPaUyp2Nu1fhWQ1KXQca5Tskz9wTvtZyJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGAru0_HHfRTVRdSs439xfYUxqf4C1N_GrxMokZpieL64Cc1Og@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7C2DF45-8AB2-4C2B-9AE9-60864FA4FB71@ko8v.net>
	<CADkB6UqAShUcW5KncPaUyp2Nu1fhWQ1KXQca5Tskz9wTvtZyJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <beaf02d2-f44a-c7f4-8892-f21de1a67ad3@foothill.net>

Say again?? The virus began in Asia [Wuhan China to be exact] at the 
very end of 2019.? Many of the parts that Elecraft and every other 
manufacturer uses are sourced out of Asia.? Everyones' supply chains are 
disrupted now but slowly improving.

Elecraft is based in California.? The population density in California 
is high ... high enough that if everyone stood 1 meter from everyone 
else, some would be standing in Nevada and some in the Pacific Ocean. 
[:=)? From the news that leaks over the Sierra Nevada to Sparks, 
Elecraft is really working to both resume normal production AND protect 
their employees and families so they can continue normal production.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/16/2020 10:20 AM, Tox wrote:
> The parts availability issue was supposed to have been resolved pre-covid.
> Wondering what the facts are.
> (not griefing you, just frustrated by Nov,Dec/Jan,Mar/Apr,Jul/Aug
>   string-along)
>
> Scott
>


From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk  Thu Jul 16 13:46:55 2020
From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 14:46:55 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers
In-Reply-To: <cb9caa06-f495-ab2d-e6cd-ac17cc34fd34@kanafi.org>
References: <CAEwXZzscp+_jtj96QmB3Dk44Ja7C2tVDTREynjp993GG6+GxpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20200715233950.jgpbcybbf3doiame@n0nb.us>
	<b30a4a79-466b-7226-56a3-8dbe92fd7625@hvc.rr.com>
	<3ed1659d-9d65-08de-625b-91b6d2dc679e@af2z.net>
	<cb9caa06-f495-ab2d-e6cd-ac17cc34fd34@kanafi.org>
Message-ID: <4f1ab871-a8a3-3390-a232-88f32d58e587@horizon.co.fk>

I must say that over many years and without any ill effect I've never 
bought into this idea of Gorilering up a PL259 with pliers beyond finger 
tight. A quarter of a turn is an unbelievable suggestion. I've just 
tried it and a couple of degrees is the best I could do without being 
brutal and even then I don't thing it would go any further.

Urban myth maybe?

Also, I've never had a failure after simply applying a generous wrap of 
self amalgamating tape, nothing else, to waterproof coax connectors. Our 
UV environment is pretty powerful, clear skies and sunshine can turn the 
skin on my head into huge dandruff seven days later after 30 minutes 
exposure.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO

On 16/07/2020 12:21, Phil Kane wrote:
> On 7/15/2020 6:50 PM, Drew AF2Z wrote:
> 
>> I would use Coax Seal. Same idea as duct seal but it's more pliable,
>> more wx resistant and a little stickier. It will last forever, never
>> hardens and can be peeled off when needed. Might want to screw pl-259
>> shells onto the socket threads first, then seal them. The sockets &
>> shells will be pristine when you go to use them.
> 
> Don't forget to tighten the connector 1/4 turn after "finger tight" with
> a pair of pliers to make a real seal.
> 
> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
> Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402
> 
>>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
> Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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From kthreebo at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 13:52:12 2020
From: kthreebo at gmail.com (barry halterman)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 13:52:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 15K Resistor
In-Reply-To: <C37F8954-89FA-4530-B12A-F86D3D0B9555@reagan.com>
References: <BYAPR02MB5221D44F0C1AC761E0EDE353987F0@BYAPR02MB5221.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<C37F8954-89FA-4530-B12A-F86D3D0B9555@reagan.com>
Message-ID: <CACW=-xFtpJvhSQeZuYKnTSCa9eOQqp+miSib=F=poQKMkdjejw@mail.gmail.com>

Murry, in rf bag 2 should be that 15k.
Barry

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 11:16 AM Harlan Sherriff via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Not trying to be a smarty, but take a quick look at list of components in
> each ?accessory? building guide.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 16, 2020, at 10:23 AM, zk2boy <zk2boy at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Building my K2 serial #6397. The instructions said use a 15K resistor
> to do a mod in the AGC circuit per an application note. It promised an
> extra resistor was included in the K2 kit for this. I did the mod per the
> app note, but find I now am short a 15K resistor for the RF board. My
> question: I have lots of bags of K2 accessories unbuilt yet. Any chance
> somebody with a central database knows if there is a 15K resistor in an
> accessory kit that I could borrow and replace later? I know I don't have
> such a resistor in my junk cupboard.Murray  VA1CQ
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From scott.small at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 13:55:00 2020
From: scott.small at gmail.com (Tox)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:55:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
In-Reply-To: <beaf02d2-f44a-c7f4-8892-f21de1a67ad3@foothill.net>
References: <CAGAru0_HHfRTVRdSs439xfYUxqf4C1N_GrxMokZpieL64Cc1Og@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7C2DF45-8AB2-4C2B-9AE9-60864FA4FB71@ko8v.net>
	<CADkB6UqAShUcW5KncPaUyp2Nu1fhWQ1KXQca5Tskz9wTvtZyJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<beaf02d2-f44a-c7f4-8892-f21de1a67ad3@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <CADkB6UqTe_9nFPN_J+8DL85v5ZKLRKKQ5zub_wqifPWTRVQQVg@mail.gmail.com>

Given lead times, if the Dec/Jan ship date was not BS, then parts would
already have already been in transit before primary covid impacts were in
place. OK, that was missed.

I understand these are not normal times. And I live in Santa Clara County,
understand current density and watch county #s (and Health Orders being
ignored by the public).

That they aren't shipping on time now seems most immediately attributable
to covid, agreed. That this is the case is seems a result of either failure
to deliver or failure to honestly communicate last year.

We're now reaching the window of the most recent round of delivery
promises, yet I don't know anyone, including those who fronted cash a year
ago on a Nov date, who has even gotten final pricing yet.

Hence my frustration. I not only am impatient about getting the Shiny
(surprise), I feel deceived about how it has been handled by someone
sitting on thousands of dollars of my cash.

Scott

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 10:47 AM Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:

> Say again?  The virus began in Asia [Wuhan China to be exact] at the
> very end of 2019.  Many of the parts that Elecraft and every other
> manufacturer uses are sourced out of Asia.  Everyones' supply chains are
> disrupted now but slowly improving.
>
> Elecraft is based in California.  The population density in California
> is high ... high enough that if everyone stood 1 meter from everyone
> else, some would be standing in Nevada and some in the Pacific Ocean.
> [:=)  From the news that leaks over the Sierra Nevada to Sparks,
> Elecraft is really working to both resume normal production AND protect
> their employees and families so they can continue normal production.
>
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> On 7/16/2020 10:20 AM, Tox wrote:
> > The parts availability issue was supposed to have been resolved
> pre-covid.
> > Wondering what the facts are.
> > (not griefing you, just frustrated by Nov,Dec/Jan,Mar/Apr,Jul/Aug
> >   string-along)
> >
> > Scott
> >
>
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From cyaffey at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 14:05:15 2020
From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 14:05:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
In-Reply-To: <CADkB6UqTe_9nFPN_J+8DL85v5ZKLRKKQ5zub_wqifPWTRVQQVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGAru0_HHfRTVRdSs439xfYUxqf4C1N_GrxMokZpieL64Cc1Og@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7C2DF45-8AB2-4C2B-9AE9-60864FA4FB71@ko8v.net>
	<CADkB6UqAShUcW5KncPaUyp2Nu1fhWQ1KXQca5Tskz9wTvtZyJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<beaf02d2-f44a-c7f4-8892-f21de1a67ad3@foothill.net>
	<CADkB6UqTe_9nFPN_J+8DL85v5ZKLRKKQ5zub_wqifPWTRVQQVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B4ABCDE4-3904-47FF-8463-31C756F529C1@gmail.com>

> 
> Hence my frustration. I not only am impatient about getting the Shiny
> (surprise), I feel deceived about how it has been handled by someone
> sitting on thousands of dollars of my cash.
> 
> Scott
> 
What? We?re not getting interest?
73 K8NU


From dave at nk7z.net  Thu Jul 16 14:23:45 2020
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 11:23:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
In-Reply-To: <CADkB6UqTe_9nFPN_J+8DL85v5ZKLRKKQ5zub_wqifPWTRVQQVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGAru0_HHfRTVRdSs439xfYUxqf4C1N_GrxMokZpieL64Cc1Og@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7C2DF45-8AB2-4C2B-9AE9-60864FA4FB71@ko8v.net>
	<CADkB6UqAShUcW5KncPaUyp2Nu1fhWQ1KXQca5Tskz9wTvtZyJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<beaf02d2-f44a-c7f4-8892-f21de1a67ad3@foothill.net>
	<CADkB6UqTe_9nFPN_J+8DL85v5ZKLRKKQ5zub_wqifPWTRVQQVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60bc0fd7-c687-7575-2773-66a8f405a19f@nk7z.net>

You should probably buy an Icom!

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 7/16/20 10:55 AM, Tox wrote:
> Given lead times, if the Dec/Jan ship date was not BS, then parts would
> already have already been in transit before primary covid impacts were in
> place. OK, that was missed.
> 
> I understand these are not normal times. And I live in Santa Clara County,
> understand current density and watch county #s (and Health Orders being
> ignored by the public).
> 
> That they aren't shipping on time now seems most immediately attributable
> to covid, agreed. That this is the case is seems a result of either failure
> to deliver or failure to honestly communicate last year.
> 
> We're now reaching the window of the most recent round of delivery
> promises, yet I don't know anyone, including those who fronted cash a year
> ago on a Nov date, who has even gotten final pricing yet.
> 
> Hence my frustration. I not only am impatient about getting the Shiny
> (surprise), I feel deceived about how it has been handled by someone
> sitting on thousands of dollars of my cash.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 10:47 AM Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
> 
>> Say again?  The virus began in Asia [Wuhan China to be exact] at the
>> very end of 2019.  Many of the parts that Elecraft and every other
>> manufacturer uses are sourced out of Asia.  Everyones' supply chains are
>> disrupted now but slowly improving.
>>
>> Elecraft is based in California.  The population density in California
>> is high ... high enough that if everyone stood 1 meter from everyone
>> else, some would be standing in Nevada and some in the Pacific Ocean.
>> [:=)  From the news that leaks over the Sierra Nevada to Sparks,
>> Elecraft is really working to both resume normal production AND protect
>> their employees and families so they can continue normal production.
>>
>> 73,
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>>
>> On 7/16/2020 10:20 AM, Tox wrote:
>>> The parts availability issue was supposed to have been resolved
>> pre-covid.
>>> Wondering what the facts are.
>>> (not griefing you, just frustrated by Nov,Dec/Jan,Mar/Apr,Jul/Aug
>>>    string-along)
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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> 
> 

From rich at wc3t.us  Thu Jul 16 14:30:05 2020
From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 14:30:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
In-Reply-To: <B4ABCDE4-3904-47FF-8463-31C756F529C1@gmail.com>
References: <CAGAru0_HHfRTVRdSs439xfYUxqf4C1N_GrxMokZpieL64Cc1Og@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7C2DF45-8AB2-4C2B-9AE9-60864FA4FB71@ko8v.net>
	<CADkB6UqAShUcW5KncPaUyp2Nu1fhWQ1KXQca5Tskz9wTvtZyJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<beaf02d2-f44a-c7f4-8892-f21de1a67ad3@foothill.net>
	<CADkB6UqTe_9nFPN_J+8DL85v5ZKLRKKQ5zub_wqifPWTRVQQVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4ABCDE4-3904-47FF-8463-31C756F529C1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABYU7Wjqw9B+GchZDQwvgGZVfgBFbyq1pKAHUrKRhs6emLYiLw@mail.gmail.com>

>From where I sit on the Right Coast, I'd be reluctant to front ANYONE that
amount of cash, reputation notwithstanding.  Heck, George Z at Packtenna
couldn't until recently even get the antenna wire from Wireman.  Stuff
happens.  Supply chains bend and break.

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 2:05 PM Carl Yaffey <cyaffey at gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> > Hence my frustration. I not only am impatient about getting the Shiny
> > (surprise), I feel deceived about how it has been handled by someone
> > sitting on thousands of dollars of my cash.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> What? We?re not getting interest?
> 73 K8NU
>
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From k9ztv at socket.net  Thu Jul 16 14:31:08 2020
From: k9ztv at socket.net (KENT TRIMBLE)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 13:31:08 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers
In-Reply-To: <4f1ab871-a8a3-3390-a232-88f32d58e587@horizon.co.fk>
References: <CAEwXZzscp+_jtj96QmB3Dk44Ja7C2tVDTREynjp993GG6+GxpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20200715233950.jgpbcybbf3doiame@n0nb.us>
	<b30a4a79-466b-7226-56a3-8dbe92fd7625@hvc.rr.com>
	<3ed1659d-9d65-08de-625b-91b6d2dc679e@af2z.net>
	<cb9caa06-f495-ab2d-e6cd-ac17cc34fd34@kanafi.org>
	<4f1ab871-a8a3-3390-a232-88f32d58e587@horizon.co.fk>
Message-ID: <c154896f-dd68-8e79-a826-0668a52caec5@socket.net>

Mike . . .

I think he might have misspoken when suggesting using pliers to effect 
an extra quarter-turn on a PL-259 after first getting it finger-tight.

The "quarter turn" idea most often refers to the trick of backing-off a 
screw "a quarter turn" and then re-tightening in order to break up 
corrosion.? More than one restorer has brought vintage equipment to life 
by doing nothing more than that.

A second problem with using pliers to scrunch a PL-259 is the risk of 
permanently deforming the barrel making future removal difficult if not 
impossible.

Plier-tightening has its place, but hardly more than the degree or two 
to which you alluded.

Take care of that dandruff!

73,

Kent? K9ZTV



On 7/16/2020 12:46 PM, Mike Harris via Elecraft wrote:
> I must say that over many years and without any ill effect I've never 
> bought into this idea of Gorilering up a PL259 with pliers beyond 
> finger tight. A quarter of a turn is an unbelievable suggestion. I've 
> just tried it and a couple of degrees is the best I could do without 
> being brutal and even then I don't thing it would go any further.
>
> Urban myth maybe?
>
> Also, I've never had a failure after simply applying a generous wrap 
> of self amalgamating tape, nothing else, to waterproof coax 
> connectors. Our UV environment is pretty powerful, clear skies and 
> sunshine can turn the skin on my head into huge dandruff seven days 
> later after 30 minutes exposure.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike VP8NO
>


> On 16/07/2020 12:21, someone wrote:
>> Don't forget to tighten the connector 1/4 turn after "finger tight" with
>> a pair of pliers to make a real seal.
>>



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From wlbaber at bellsouth.net  Thu Jul 16 14:35:25 2020
From: wlbaber at bellsouth.net (WILLIE BABER)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 18:35:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
In-Reply-To: <CADkB6UqTe_9nFPN_J+8DL85v5ZKLRKKQ5zub_wqifPWTRVQQVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGAru0_HHfRTVRdSs439xfYUxqf4C1N_GrxMokZpieL64Cc1Og@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7C2DF45-8AB2-4C2B-9AE9-60864FA4FB71@ko8v.net>
	<CADkB6UqAShUcW5KncPaUyp2Nu1fhWQ1KXQca5Tskz9wTvtZyJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<beaf02d2-f44a-c7f4-8892-f21de1a67ad3@foothill.net>
	<CADkB6UqTe_9nFPN_J+8DL85v5ZKLRKKQ5zub_wqifPWTRVQQVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1148036599.2376831.1594924525246@mail.yahoo.com>

....nonetheless, I think we are all hoping for the best with covid (and doing what we can to be safe) and vis-a-vis Elecraft.
If anyone thinks that Elecraft is trying to do anything other than their love of art, and make a living doing it, then whomever thinks that hasn't been paying attention since before the Elecraft K2.
73? will, wj9b

CWops #1085
CWA Advisor levels II and III
http://cwops.org/ 

    On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 11:56:33 AM MDT, Tox <scott.small at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Given lead times, if the Dec/Jan ship date was not BS, then parts would
already have already been in transit before primary covid impacts were in
place. OK, that was missed.

I understand these are not normal times. And I live in Santa Clara County,
understand current density and watch county #s (and Health Orders being
ignored by the public).

That they aren't shipping on time now seems most immediately attributable
to covid, agreed. That this is the case is seems a result of either failure
to deliver or failure to honestly communicate last year.

We're now reaching the window of the most recent round of delivery
promises, yet I don't know anyone, including those who fronted cash a year
ago on a Nov date, who has even gotten final pricing yet.

Hence my frustration. I not only am impatient about getting the Shiny
(surprise), I feel deceived about how it has been handled by someone
sitting on thousands of dollars of my cash.

Scott

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 10:47 AM Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:

> Say again?? The virus began in Asia [Wuhan China to be exact] at the
> very end of 2019.? Many of the parts that Elecraft and every other
> manufacturer uses are sourced out of Asia.? Everyones' supply chains are
> disrupted now but slowly improving.
>
> Elecraft is based in California.? The population density in California
> is high ... high enough that if everyone stood 1 meter from everyone
> else, some would be standing in Nevada and some in the Pacific Ocean.
> [:=)? From the news that leaks over the Sierra Nevada to Sparks,
> Elecraft is really working to both resume normal production AND protect
> their employees and families so they can continue normal production.
>
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> On 7/16/2020 10:20 AM, Tox wrote:
> > The parts availability issue was supposed to have been resolved
> pre-covid.
> > Wondering what the facts are.
> > (not griefing you, just frustrated by Nov,Dec/Jan,Mar/Apr,Jul/Aug
> >? string-along)
> >
> > Scott
> >
>
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From k1rdd73 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 14:36:40 2020
From: k1rdd73 at gmail.com (Doug Daniels)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 14:36:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Can't Hear My Sending CW on K3S
In-Reply-To: <E2C58778-0757-45E7-A7C3-133AFBF2DA07@comcast.net>
References: <E2C58778-0757-45E7-A7C3-133AFBF2DA07@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAEwXZzu1VgCEEFed4Q+80b7+9OcEpG1k0w9Hmt8di4UzRCZSDw@mail.gmail.com>

 I'm having the same issue with the KX2, what would be the adjustment on
that? Is that the Transmit Gate?

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 1:03 PM John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net>
wrote:

> When I send CW on my K3S, I cannot hear it either on the speaker or
> phones.  As most probably are, I am dependent on the auditory feedback to
> send CW properly.
>
> I suspect I have a setting wrong.
>
> Any advice would be much appreciated.
>
> 73,
>
> John
> WA1EAZ
> ______________________________________________________________
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From rick.nk7i at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 14:40:59 2020
From: rick.nk7i at gmail.com (Rick NK7I)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 11:40:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
In-Reply-To: <CADkB6UqTe_9nFPN_J+8DL85v5ZKLRKKQ5zub_wqifPWTRVQQVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGAru0_HHfRTVRdSs439xfYUxqf4C1N_GrxMokZpieL64Cc1Og@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7C2DF45-8AB2-4C2B-9AE9-60864FA4FB71@ko8v.net>
	<CADkB6UqAShUcW5KncPaUyp2Nu1fhWQ1KXQca5Tskz9wTvtZyJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<beaf02d2-f44a-c7f4-8892-f21de1a67ad3@foothill.net>
	<CADkB6UqTe_9nFPN_J+8DL85v5ZKLRKKQ5zub_wqifPWTRVQQVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e8985a3e-2c7e-28cc-ac35-56da4eeed749@gmail.com>

Given the on/off, cancel/restart mother may I, only with a mask 
situation in CA (often spelled P_O_L_I_T_I_C_S), it's a wonder they're 
doing as much as they have.? That tap dance is on a very thin high wire 
with no net.

Now consider that many parts do not come from the US, some of the 
sources are from countries we're bickering with (see spelling above, 
subtitle tariff), the parts that ARE here can't be put into boards that 
can't be made because other businesses are less 'essential' (defined in 
no law whatsoever)... all resolves to:

They're doing what they are allowed to do under the conditions they 
face.? And doing it well, the Elecraft way.? This'll take a while so 
patience is required.

If you truly feel deceived, cancel your order and let the next in line 
move up a slot.? I'm sure they be appreciative.

Rick NK7I
Another CA escapee and I don't miss it for a moment


On 7/16/2020 10:55 AM, Tox wrote:
> Given lead times, if the Dec/Jan ship date was not BS, then parts would
> already have already been in transit before primary covid impacts were in
> place. OK, that was missed.
>
> I understand these are not normal times. And I live in Santa Clara County,
> understand current density and watch county #s (and Health Orders being
> ignored by the public).
>
> That they aren't shipping on time now seems most immediately attributable
> to covid, agreed. That this is the case is seems a result of either failure
> to deliver or failure to honestly communicate last year.
>
> We're now reaching the window of the most recent round of delivery
> promises, yet I don't know anyone, including those who fronted cash a year
> ago on a Nov date, who has even gotten final pricing yet.
>
> Hence my frustration. I not only am impatient about getting the Shiny
> (surprise), I feel deceived about how it has been handled by someone
> sitting on thousands of dollars of my cash.
>
> Scott
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 10:47 AM Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
>
>> Say again?  The virus began in Asia [Wuhan China to be exact] at the
>> very end of 2019.  Many of the parts that Elecraft and every other
>> manufacturer uses are sourced out of Asia.  Everyones' supply chains are
>> disrupted now but slowly improving.
>>
>> Elecraft is based in California.  The population density in California
>> is high ... high enough that if everyone stood 1 meter from everyone
>> else, some would be standing in Nevada and some in the Pacific Ocean.
>> [:=)  From the news that leaks over the Sierra Nevada to Sparks,
>> Elecraft is really working to both resume normal production AND protect
>> their employees and families so they can continue normal production.
>>
>> 73,
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>>
>> On 7/16/2020 10:20 AM, Tox wrote:
>>> The parts availability issue was supposed to have been resolved
>> pre-covid.
>>> Wondering what the facts are.
>>> (not griefing you, just frustrated by Nov,Dec/Jan,Mar/Apr,Jul/Aug
>>>    string-along)
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>> Message delivered to scott.small at gmail.com
>
>

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 14:51:29 2020
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 14:51:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Can't Hear My Sending CW on K3S
In-Reply-To: <CAEwXZzu1VgCEEFed4Q+80b7+9OcEpG1k0w9Hmt8di4UzRCZSDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E2C58778-0757-45E7-A7C3-133AFBF2DA07@comcast.net>
	<CAEwXZzu1VgCEEFed4Q+80b7+9OcEpG1k0w9Hmt8di4UzRCZSDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <723A9805-3074-49E7-AE62-AFEB5ED70898@gmail.com>

Have you turned up MONitor volume ?.??

Grant NQ5T




> On Jul 16, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Doug Daniels <k1rdd73 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm having the same issue with the KX2, what would be the adjustment on
> that? Is that the Transmit Gate?
> 
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 1:03 PM John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> 
>> When I send CW on my K3S, I cannot hear it either on the speaker or
>> phones.  As most probably are, I am dependent on the auditory feedback to
>> send CW properly.
>> 
>> I suspect I have a setting wrong.
>> 
>> Any advice would be much appreciated.
>> 


From ted.roycraft at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 14:55:46 2020
From: ted.roycraft at gmail.com (Ted Roycraft)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 14:55:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
In-Reply-To: <CADkB6UqTe_9nFPN_J+8DL85v5ZKLRKKQ5zub_wqifPWTRVQQVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGAru0_HHfRTVRdSs439xfYUxqf4C1N_GrxMokZpieL64Cc1Og@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7C2DF45-8AB2-4C2B-9AE9-60864FA4FB71@ko8v.net>
	<CADkB6UqAShUcW5KncPaUyp2Nu1fhWQ1KXQca5Tskz9wTvtZyJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<beaf02d2-f44a-c7f4-8892-f21de1a67ad3@foothill.net>
	<CADkB6UqTe_9nFPN_J+8DL85v5ZKLRKKQ5zub_wqifPWTRVQQVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c55c27c-3e00-cd36-2e06-532af4fa14e0@gmail.com>

If that's the way you feel, why don't you ask for your money back?

Ted, W2ZK

On 7/16/2020 13:55, Tox wrote:
> Given lead times, if the Dec/Jan ship date was not BS, then parts would
> already have already been in transit before primary covid impacts were in
> place. OK, that was missed.
>
> I understand these are not normal times. And I live in Santa Clara County,
> understand current density and watch county #s (and Health Orders being
> ignored by the public).
>
> That they aren't shipping on time now seems most immediately attributable
> to covid, agreed. That this is the case is seems a result of either failure
> to deliver or failure to honestly communicate last year.
>
> We're now reaching the window of the most recent round of delivery
> promises, yet I don't know anyone, including those who fronted cash a year
> ago on a Nov date, who has even gotten final pricing yet.
>
> Hence my frustration. I not only am impatient about getting the Shiny
> (surprise), I feel deceived about how it has been handled by someone
> sitting on thousands of dollars of my cash.
>
> Scott
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 10:47 AM Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
>
>> Say again?  The virus began in Asia [Wuhan China to be exact] at the
>> very end of 2019.  Many of the parts that Elecraft and every other
>> manufacturer uses are sourced out of Asia.  Everyones' supply chains are
>> disrupted now but slowly improving.
>>
>> Elecraft is based in California.  The population density in California
>> is high ... high enough that if everyone stood 1 meter from everyone
>> else, some would be standing in Nevada and some in the Pacific Ocean.
>> [:=)  From the news that leaks over the Sierra Nevada to Sparks,
>> Elecraft is really working to both resume normal production AND protect
>> their employees and families so they can continue normal production.
>>
>> 73,
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>>
>> On 7/16/2020 10:20 AM, Tox wrote:
>>> The parts availability issue was supposed to have been resolved
>> pre-covid.
>>> Wondering what the facts are.
>>> (not griefing you, just frustrated by Nov,Dec/Jan,Mar/Apr,Jul/Aug
>>>    string-along)
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>> Message delivered to scott.small at gmail.com
>
>


From w4sc at windstream.net  Thu Jul 16 15:03:39 2020
From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 15:03:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2NB Kit hiding in the closet  unbuilt
Message-ID: <DB.0F.28222.B84A01F5@smtp01.aqua.bos.sync.lan>

Another closet find.  FOR SALE

Unbuilt K2NB Noise Blanker Kit.  Parts have been inventoried and is complete.

Sell for $50 which includes shipping.  Another ?lock down? project for you.

Please reply off list for payment options,

73 de Ben W4SC

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From jstengrevics at comcast.net  Thu Jul 16 15:06:14 2020
From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 15:06:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Can't Hear My Sending CW on K3S
In-Reply-To: <723A9805-3074-49E7-AE62-AFEB5ED70898@gmail.com>
References: <E2C58778-0757-45E7-A7C3-133AFBF2DA07@comcast.net>
	<CAEwXZzu1VgCEEFed4Q+80b7+9OcEpG1k0w9Hmt8di4UzRCZSDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<723A9805-3074-49E7-AE62-AFEB5ED70898@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <66AD778F-26F0-4217-93C2-3845CCA37ACF@comcast.net>

Yup?I?m good?all is fine.  :)

> On Jul 16, 2020, at 2:51 PM, Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Have you turned up MONitor volume ?.??
> 
> Grant NQ5T
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Doug Daniels <k1rdd73 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm having the same issue with the KX2, what would be the adjustment on
>> that? Is that the Transmit Gate?
>> 
>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 1:03 PM John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> When I send CW on my K3S, I cannot hear it either on the speaker or
>>> phones.  As most probably are, I am dependent on the auditory feedback to
>>> send CW properly.
>>> 
>>> I suspect I have a setting wrong.
>>> 
>>> Any advice would be much appreciated.
>>> 
> 


From wlbaber at bellsouth.net  Thu Jul 16 15:05:58 2020
From: wlbaber at bellsouth.net (WILLIE BABER)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 19:05:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
In-Reply-To: <CABYU7Wjqw9B+GchZDQwvgGZVfgBFbyq1pKAHUrKRhs6emLYiLw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGAru0_HHfRTVRdSs439xfYUxqf4C1N_GrxMokZpieL64Cc1Og@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7C2DF45-8AB2-4C2B-9AE9-60864FA4FB71@ko8v.net>
	<CADkB6UqAShUcW5KncPaUyp2Nu1fhWQ1KXQca5Tskz9wTvtZyJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<beaf02d2-f44a-c7f4-8892-f21de1a67ad3@foothill.net>
	<CADkB6UqTe_9nFPN_J+8DL85v5ZKLRKKQ5zub_wqifPWTRVQQVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4ABCDE4-3904-47FF-8463-31C756F529C1@gmail.com>
	<CABYU7Wjqw9B+GchZDQwvgGZVfgBFbyq1pKAHUrKRhs6emLYiLw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1352637432.2401955.1594926358556@mail.yahoo.com>

If I had the money to put up in advance I would "front" the money to Elecraft, based on the K3. And I did purchased kpa1500 in advance.
I purchased Orion before it was produced based on most of the previous Tentec radio too.
But I confess that while I do turn 70 years old in September, I am in excellent shape, still climbing towers.??
Time can be an important factor, but who doesn't know that?
73, will, wj9b






CWops #1085
CWA Advisor levels II and III
http://cwops.org/ 

    On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 12:35:53 PM MDT, rich hurd WC3T <rich at wc3t.us> wrote:  
 
 From where I sit on the Right Coast, I'd be reluctant to front ANYONE that
amount of cash, reputation notwithstanding.? Heck, George Z at Packtenna
couldn't until recently even get the antenna wire from Wireman.? Stuff
happens.? Supply chains bend and break.

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 2:05 PM Carl Yaffey <cyaffey at gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> > Hence my frustration. I not only am impatient about getting the Shiny
> > (surprise), I feel deceived about how it has been handled by someone
> > sitting on thousands of dollars of my cash.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> What? We?re not getting interest?
> 73 K8NU
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988? (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid:
*FN20is*
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From rich at wc3t.us  Thu Jul 16 15:13:47 2020
From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 15:13:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
In-Reply-To: <1352637432.2401955.1594926358556@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAGAru0_HHfRTVRdSs439xfYUxqf4C1N_GrxMokZpieL64Cc1Og@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7C2DF45-8AB2-4C2B-9AE9-60864FA4FB71@ko8v.net>
	<CADkB6UqAShUcW5KncPaUyp2Nu1fhWQ1KXQca5Tskz9wTvtZyJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<beaf02d2-f44a-c7f4-8892-f21de1a67ad3@foothill.net>
	<CADkB6UqTe_9nFPN_J+8DL85v5ZKLRKKQ5zub_wqifPWTRVQQVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4ABCDE4-3904-47FF-8463-31C756F529C1@gmail.com>
	<CABYU7Wjqw9B+GchZDQwvgGZVfgBFbyq1pKAHUrKRhs6emLYiLw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1352637432.2401955.1594926358556@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CABYU7WhFEseeEunCs3ceKHUnw4reLVnxu-ePJkRUs22KqDvnqg@mail.gmail.com>

Climb safely.

Thankfully, I've never had a chance to hazard that much money -- though I
did just get a backordered SharkRF OpenSpot3.  :)


On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 3:05 PM WILLIE BABER <wlbaber at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> If I had the money to put up in advance I would "front" the money to
> Elecraft, based on the K3. And I did purchased kpa1500 in advance.
>
> I purchased Orion before it was produced based on most of the previous
> Tentec radio too.
>
> But I confess that while I do turn 70 years old in September, I am in
> excellent shape, still climbing towers.
>
> Time can be an important factor, but who doesn't know that?
>
> 73, will, wj9b
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> CWops #1085
> CWA Advisor levels II and III
> http://cwops.org/
>
>
> On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 12:35:53 PM MDT, rich hurd WC3T <rich at wc3t.us>
> wrote:
>
>
> From where I sit on the Right Coast, I'd be reluctant to front ANYONE that
> amount of cash, reputation notwithstanding.  Heck, George Z at Packtenna
> couldn't until recently even get the antenna wire from Wireman.  Stuff
> happens.  Supply chains bend and break.
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 2:05 PM Carl Yaffey <cyaffey at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Hence my frustration. I not only am impatient about getting the Shiny
> > > (surprise), I feel deceived about how it has been handled by someone
> > > sitting on thousands of dollars of my cash.
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > What? We?re not getting interest?
> > 73 K8NU
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> >
> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> > Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us
>
>
>
> --
> 72,
> Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737
> Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting
> Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988  (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid:
> *FN20is*
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
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-- 
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Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737
Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting
Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988  (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid:
*FN20is*

From rick.nk7i at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 15:19:40 2020
From: rick.nk7i at gmail.com (Rick NK7I)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 12:19:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
In-Reply-To: <CABYU7WhFEseeEunCs3ceKHUnw4reLVnxu-ePJkRUs22KqDvnqg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGAru0_HHfRTVRdSs439xfYUxqf4C1N_GrxMokZpieL64Cc1Og@mail.gmail.com>
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"The plan" was to get a tilt tower, so I don't have to climb and that 
works great.

I also pre-paid for the KPA1500 and then once it arrived had to wait (2 
years) for the shack to be built (else no 240V).? I don't regret this 
because Elecraft HAS the reputation for being the best at product and 
service; they understand much better than the other brands.

No one has a guarantee to tomorrow, but there are signs of hope around.

73,
Rick NK7I

"It ain't the years darlin', it's the miles!"? Indiana Jones


On 7/16/2020 12:13 PM, rich hurd WC3T wrote:
> Climb safely.
>
> Thankfully, I've never had a chance to hazard that much money -- though I
> did just get a backordered SharkRF OpenSpot3.  :)
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 3:05 PM WILLIE BABER <wlbaber at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> If I had the money to put up in advance I would "front" the money to
>> Elecraft, based on the K3. And I did purchased kpa1500 in advance.
>>
>> I purchased Orion before it was produced based on most of the previous
>> Tentec radio too.
>>
>> But I confess that while I do turn 70 years old in September, I am in
>> excellent shape, still climbing towers.
>>
>> Time can be an important factor, but who doesn't know that?
>>
>> 73, will, wj9b
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> CWops #1085
>> CWA Advisor levels II and III
>> http://cwops.org/
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 12:35:53 PM MDT, rich hurd WC3T <rich at wc3t.us>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  From where I sit on the Right Coast, I'd be reluctant to front ANYONE that
>> amount of cash, reputation notwithstanding.  Heck, George Z at Packtenna
>> couldn't until recently even get the antenna wire from Wireman.  Stuff
>> happens.  Supply chains bend and break.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 2:05 PM Carl Yaffey <cyaffey at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Hence my frustration. I not only am impatient about getting the Shiny
>>>> (surprise), I feel deceived about how it has been handled by someone
>>>> sitting on thousands of dollars of my cash.
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>> What? We?re not getting interest?
>>> 73 K8NU
>>>
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>>
>> --
>> 72,
>> Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737
>> Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting
>> Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988  (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid:
>> *FN20is*
>>
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Jul 16 15:23:03 2020
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 15:23:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
In-Reply-To: <B4ABCDE4-3904-47FF-8463-31C756F529C1@gmail.com>
References: <B4ABCDE4-3904-47FF-8463-31C756F529C1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BDDBC1EE-5019-4DAF-AF92-7B0340FB3989@widomaker.com>

No!  I wouldn?t turn down free shipping and/or no price increase for those waiting. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 16, 2020, at 2:07 PM, Carl Yaffey <cyaffey at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
>> 
>> 
>> Hence my frustration. I not only am impatient about getting the Shiny
>> (surprise), I feel deceived about how it has been handled by someone
>> sitting on thousands of dollars of my cash.
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
> What? We?re not getting interest?
> 73 K8NU
> 
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Jul 16 15:23:30 2020
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 15:23:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
In-Reply-To: <60bc0fd7-c687-7575-2773-66a8f405a19f@nk7z.net>
References: <60bc0fd7-c687-7575-2773-66a8f405a19f@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <29BC7DA5-5091-4C5E-9A49-9418B679F8D4@widomaker.com>

I did!  

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 16, 2020, at 2:25 PM, Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
> 
> ?You should probably buy an Icom!
> 
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL Technical Specialist
> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
> 
>> On 7/16/20 10:55 AM, Tox wrote:
>> Given lead times, if the Dec/Jan ship date was not BS, then parts would
>> already have already been in transit before primary covid impacts were in
>> place. OK, that was missed.
>> I understand these are not normal times. And I live in Santa Clara County,
>> understand current density and watch county #s (and Health Orders being
>> ignored by the public).
>> That they aren't shipping on time now seems most immediately attributable
>> to covid, agreed. That this is the case is seems a result of either failure
>> to deliver or failure to honestly communicate last year.
>> We're now reaching the window of the most recent round of delivery
>> promises, yet I don't know anyone, including those who fronted cash a year
>> ago on a Nov date, who has even gotten final pricing yet.
>> Hence my frustration. I not only am impatient about getting the Shiny
>> (surprise), I feel deceived about how it has been handled by someone
>> sitting on thousands of dollars of my cash.
>> Scott
>>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 10:47 AM Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
>>> Say again?  The virus began in Asia [Wuhan China to be exact] at the
>>> very end of 2019.  Many of the parts that Elecraft and every other
>>> manufacturer uses are sourced out of Asia.  Everyones' supply chains are
>>> disrupted now but slowly improving.
>>> 
>>> Elecraft is based in California.  The population density in California
>>> is high ... high enough that if everyone stood 1 meter from everyone
>>> else, some would be standing in Nevada and some in the Pacific Ocean.
>>> [:=)  From the news that leaks over the Sierra Nevada to Sparks,
>>> Elecraft is really working to both resume normal production AND protect
>>> their employees and families so they can continue normal production.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>>> Washoe County
>>> 
>>> On 7/16/2020 10:20 AM, Tox wrote:
>>>> The parts availability issue was supposed to have been resolved
>>> pre-covid.
>>>> Wondering what the facts are.
>>>> (not griefing you, just frustrated by Nov,Dec/Jan,Mar/Apr,Jul/Aug
>>>>   string-along)
>>>> 
>>>> Scott
>>>> 
>>> 
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From pvandyke1953 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 15:25:32 2020
From: pvandyke1953 at gmail.com (Paul Van Dyke)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 15:25:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  K4 in production _ Money UPDATE
Message-ID: <CAEPKcUnBCG2PU44CnPnB_nSaww_nOsMU5+kCg_pzhLZ7groyaQ@mail.gmail.com>

IF and IF I remember correctly, they (Elecraft) takes not a penny from you
till it is shipped. I know the money is waiting for them as I wait for the
K4.

I'm still happy, wishing I could I could have taken it on the dxpedition,
but it didn't happen either due to Covid-19.
I have a great K3S K-Station setup..
I will have a better K4 K-Station setup when it comes in.

See you on the air & Nets
Paul Van Dyke - KB9AVO
K2-16xx
K3S-11103
KX3-24 (4 days out out of Elecraft running a dxpedition on Montserrat)
KXPA100 -22
KX2-38
KXPA100-22/KX3-24  team
(1 week out out of Elecraft running a dxpedition on Dominica)

Search Results
Web re

From jimk0xu at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 15:52:19 2020
From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 14:52:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 - was "On Second Thought, I'll Take The Stairs"
In-Reply-To: <000f01d65b93$02c51980$084f4c80$@arrl.net>
References: <000f01d65b93$02c51980$084f4c80$@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4YkGWne35qz8CJE8UykHfD08ZrfHSN=4VUJ0PQHnKdCzw@mail.gmail.com>

Sure wish I could put up such a "no antenna" antenna from my apartment
where the noise level is often 20 or more dB over S9. Working any DX on
even FT8 is a real rare occurence from here where I have a mobile antenna
working against an iron railing on my second floor balcony.

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 12:05 Paul Christensen <w9ac at arrl.net> wrote:

> >"And I have one that says "RTTY" but it's now a Digital DXCC.  I had to
> resort to FT8 to work Monaco to get on the Digital Honor Roll, with the
> other 330 having been on RTTY."
>
> Just to quickly add my input before the topic is canned.
>
> I'm not enamored with FT8 but just for grins, I conducted an FT8 experiment
> a few months ago to see how many countries I could work with no antenna
> terminated at the end of a broken open-feeder transmission line.  That's
> right - no antenna, just a hunk of balanced open feeder line that sits
> unterminated on my backyard fence.  Using a 100W rig with output power
> turned down to 20W, SWR is off-scale.  I work on my own gear.  If I blow it
> up, so be it.
>
> Over a few weeks I worked about 35 countries on 20m and 11 countries on
> 40m,
> all FT8 of course.    No antenna and sky high SWR.  By now, folks are
> thinking."yeah no antenna, but your line is the antenna, balanced or not."
> That's right.  There's just enough imbalance between the two conductor
> feeders that the line has some radiation.  The imbalance is caused by the
> usual culprits like proximity to aluminum gutters and some inherent
> imbalance between the rig and feeder.  However, it just goes to show that
> skill to make FT8 DX contacts rests largely with the algorithm.  Frankly,
> most of the skill needed is in learning to install and configure the WSJT-X
> software - which isn't difficult.  As such, I find it amusing that anyone
> considers FT8 an accomplishment - and a semi-automatic one at that.  But
> for
> those who feel it is an accomplishment, there's no point in denying their
> satisfaction.
>
> Paul  W9AC
>
>
>
>
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From scott.small at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 15:56:58 2020
From: scott.small at gmail.com (Tox)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 12:56:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production _ Money UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <CAEPKcUnBCG2PU44CnPnB_nSaww_nOsMU5+kCg_pzhLZ7groyaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPKcUnBCG2PU44CnPnB_nSaww_nOsMU5+kCg_pzhLZ7groyaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADkB6UpDwomP8LNBgkJonfGKamzL+z0MrW-4cVD2t7yS3H0tVw@mail.gmail.com>

No, they were up front that they were trying to fund the production run.
Credit cards were hit last year.

Scott


On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 12:28 PM Paul Van Dyke <pvandyke1953 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> IF and IF I remember correctly, they (Elecraft) takes not a penny from you
> till it is shipped. I know the money is waiting for them as I wait for the
> K4.
>
> I'm still happy, wishing I could I could have taken it on the dxpedition,
> but it didn't happen either due to Covid-19.
> I have a great K3S K-Station setup..
> I will have a better K4 K-Station setup when it comes in.
>
> See you on the air & Nets
> Paul Van Dyke - KB9AVO
> K2-16xx
> K3S-11103
> KX3-24 (4 days out out of Elecraft running a dxpedition on Montserrat)
> KXPA100 -22
> KX2-38
> KXPA100-22/KX3-24  team
> (1 week out out of Elecraft running a dxpedition on Dominica)
>
> Search Results
> Web re
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>


-- 
Scott Small

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Jul 16 16:00:05 2020
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 13:00:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 in the IARU Contest Last weekend
In-Reply-To: <601787d0-e7a2-66cd-be2a-95d1711f5dd9@gmail.com>
References: <20200715113656.Horde.Ez06_xF3RqQyKcmfjZAeHaW@www11.qth.com>
	<1245664018.350867.1594838808426@mail2.virginmedia.com>
	<81781e8b-5612-73c1-f2e5-deb484b2febc@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<2064574118.350451.1594845405663@mail2.virginmedia.com>
	<77c02347-9128-d177-c3d8-171d02c8c36b@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<601787d0-e7a2-66cd-be2a-95d1711f5dd9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <911a9163-7dba-7a4b-68d8-102691161f0c@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/16/2020 1:14 AM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote:
> If the antenna is well-balanced and fed via a true balanced antenna 
> tuner (preferably link-coupled) then there shouldn't be a problem with 
> common mode currents.

Few ham antennas are perfectly balanced -- they are often unbalanced by 
their surroundings. For example, ground slope, unequal heights of the 
two halves, other conductors around the antenna, even vegetation. And 
yes, all elements of the antenna system, including the feedline, the 
antenna, and matching at both ends, contribute to the balance of the SYSTEM.

THAT'S why it's wrong to talk about "balanced line," using "parallel 
wire" or 2-wire" line instead.

73, Jim K9YC

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Jul 16 16:18:09 2020
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 13:18:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
In-Reply-To: <CADkB6UqAShUcW5KncPaUyp2Nu1fhWQ1KXQca5Tskz9wTvtZyJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGAru0_HHfRTVRdSs439xfYUxqf4C1N_GrxMokZpieL64Cc1Og@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7C2DF45-8AB2-4C2B-9AE9-60864FA4FB71@ko8v.net>
	<CADkB6UqAShUcW5KncPaUyp2Nu1fhWQ1KXQca5Tskz9wTvtZyJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77bc8d68-7f79-bdf8-c886-2bebd4c59ffe@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/16/2020 10:20 AM, Tox wrote:
> The parts availability issue was supposed to have been resolved pre-covid.

To varying degrees, the whole world is affected by COVID, including 
manufacturers and distributors of parts. Few are designated as essential.

73, Jim K9YC

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Jul 16 16:28:26 2020
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 13:28:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers
In-Reply-To: <4f1ab871-a8a3-3390-a232-88f32d58e587@horizon.co.fk>
References: <CAEwXZzscp+_jtj96QmB3Dk44Ja7C2tVDTREynjp993GG6+GxpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20200715233950.jgpbcybbf3doiame@n0nb.us>
	<b30a4a79-466b-7226-56a3-8dbe92fd7625@hvc.rr.com>
	<3ed1659d-9d65-08de-625b-91b6d2dc679e@af2z.net>
	<cb9caa06-f495-ab2d-e6cd-ac17cc34fd34@kanafi.org>
	<4f1ab871-a8a3-3390-a232-88f32d58e587@horizon.co.fk>
Message-ID: <d6c4a911-484f-da57-1f26-d48f787b016d@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/16/2020 10:46 AM, Mike Harris via Elecraft wrote:
> I must say that over many years and without any ill effect I've never 
> bought into this idea of Gorilering up a PL259 with pliers beyond finger 
> tight. A quarter of a turn is an unbelievable suggestion. I've just 
> tried it and a couple of degrees is the best I could do without being 
> brutal and even then I don't thing it would go any further.
> 
> Urban myth maybe?

No, misunderstanding/poor way of describing the problem. For good RF 
contact, the entire circumference of male and female connector must make 
solid and continuous contact. This can only happen if the teeth in the 
male connector fit within the corresponding gaps in the female 
connector. If that has been accomplished, wrench-tight may be less than 
a quarter turn, but it also depends on how strong your fingers are, and 
whether you are able to get a good grip on the connector. For example, I 
need more than a quarter turn with pliers in my fairly dense entry panel 
in the wall under my operating desk. And if the teeth are not properly 
mated, it's common to get more than a quarter turn when using the wrench.
> 
> Also, I've never had a failure after simply applying a generous wrap of 
> self amalgamating tape, nothing else, to waterproof coax connectors. Our 
> UV environment is pretty powerful, clear skies and sunshine can turn the 
> skin on my head into huge dandruff seven days later after 30 minutes 
> exposure.

That depends entirely on the particular tape you've chosen. Some are 
more UV resistant than others.

73, Jim K9YC

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Jul 16 16:35:15 2020
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 13:35:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
In-Reply-To: <B4ABCDE4-3904-47FF-8463-31C756F529C1@gmail.com>
References: <CAGAru0_HHfRTVRdSs439xfYUxqf4C1N_GrxMokZpieL64Cc1Og@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7C2DF45-8AB2-4C2B-9AE9-60864FA4FB71@ko8v.net>
	<CADkB6UqAShUcW5KncPaUyp2Nu1fhWQ1KXQca5Tskz9wTvtZyJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<beaf02d2-f44a-c7f4-8892-f21de1a67ad3@foothill.net>
	<CADkB6UqTe_9nFPN_J+8DL85v5ZKLRKKQ5zub_wqifPWTRVQQVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4ABCDE4-3904-47FF-8463-31C756F529C1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <690e81cf-edd7-33a2-dcd6-2bdf6a981d44@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/16/2020 11:05 AM, Carl Yaffey wrote:
> What? We?re not getting interest?

:)

A look at the latest statement from wherever we store our money will 
tell us that the current interest rate is quite close to zero percent.

  73, Jim K9YC

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Jul 16 16:35:44 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 16:35:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
In-Reply-To: <e8985a3e-2c7e-28cc-ac35-56da4eeed749@gmail.com>
References: <CAGAru0_HHfRTVRdSs439xfYUxqf4C1N_GrxMokZpieL64Cc1Og@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7C2DF45-8AB2-4C2B-9AE9-60864FA4FB71@ko8v.net>
	<CADkB6UqAShUcW5KncPaUyp2Nu1fhWQ1KXQca5Tskz9wTvtZyJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<beaf02d2-f44a-c7f4-8892-f21de1a67ad3@foothill.net>
	<CADkB6UqTe_9nFPN_J+8DL85v5ZKLRKKQ5zub_wqifPWTRVQQVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<e8985a3e-2c7e-28cc-ac35-56da4eeed749@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <72dab8e3-f4bb-c9f8-5606-d7d8b64f3fb8@embarqmail.com>

All,

The parts may have come in pre-covid, BUT
Elecraft boards are populated at board shops in California, and the 
metal parts come out of another shop in California.

So while Elecraft may be limping along, they are dependent on a variety 
of other California shops which may be shuttered.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/16/2020 2:40 PM, Rick NK7I wrote:
> 
> Now consider that many parts do not come from the US, some of the 
> sources are from countries we're bickering with (see spelling above, 
> subtitle tariff), the parts that ARE here can't be put into boards that 
> can't be made because other businesses are less 'essential' (defined in 
> no law whatsoever)... all resolves to:
> 
> They're doing what they are allowed to do under the conditions they 
> face.? And doing it well, the Elecraft way.? This'll take a while so 
> patience is required.
> 
> If you truly feel deceived, cancel your order and let the next in line 
> move up a slot.? I'm sure they be appreciative.
> 

From gdanner12 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 17:25:48 2020
From: gdanner12 at gmail.com (Gmail - George)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 17:25:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers
In-Reply-To: <4f1ab871-a8a3-3390-a232-88f32d58e587@horizon.co.fk>
References: <CAEwXZzscp+_jtj96QmB3Dk44Ja7C2tVDTREynjp993GG6+GxpQ@mail.gmail.com><20200715233950.jgpbcybbf3doiame@n0nb.us><b30a4a79-466b-7226-56a3-8dbe92fd7625@hvc.rr.com><3ed1659d-9d65-08de-625b-91b6d2dc679e@af2z.net><cb9caa06-f495-ab2d-e6cd-ac17cc34fd34@kanafi.org>
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Message-ID: <FEE25E31D78947989C19DA8B1667D6BD@OfficeDeskTop>

Years ago in a land far-far away all video coax connectors in Broadcast 
Television were UHF (PL259).
We only tightened them hand (finger) tight. In may places pliers would have 
not fit any way.

In black & white days we would want to be flat from DC to around 8 MHz with 
a smooth roll off to about 15 MHz.
Later in color most of the video distribution amplifiers were flat to even 
25 MHz.

>From the late 60s to late 70s the connector density increased significantly 
and we went to BNC for video & later for even audio when we converted to 
digital audio distribution.

In a typical studio plant any discontinuity in video coax tended to show up 
as a "ghost" in the video in black & white and in color the results could be 
only described as Technicolor gone wrong. We rarely had discontinuities - 
most of the time it was a poorly made connector or center migration due to 
too tight a bent in the coax. I don't ever recall that tightening a 
connector with pliers corrected these discontinuities. We solved the poorly 
made connectors by going to crimp style of connectors.

When I became a Ham after retiring from Broadcasting - I had to go back to 
using UHF connectors. First tool I bought was a coax connector crimp tool! 
Unfortunately I could not afford the $300 to $500 tools for each coax size 
that we had at work. I had to buy a much less expensive tool with 
replaceable dies. Not quite as convenient & easy to use but much more cost 
effective! Then again I wasn't going to be spending hours putting coax 
connectors on cables.

A broadcast plant had many hundreds and probably thousands of uhf coax 
connectors to deal with and a lot of experience in all conditions from fully 
climate controlled (tape rooms) to harsh outdoors on ENG or SNG truck masts 
going 60 or 70 MPH in rain, sleet and snow.
In fact when we replaced a 1,000' tower. We cut off the coax seal on 
connectors that were maybe 20 or 30 years old - the connectors were bright 
and shinny underneath!

Proper installation of the UHF connector is to make sure it is made 
properly, and then properly mated by rotating the coax until the tiny 
indentations on the female are found and mated with the male. Then tighten 
it hand tight. If not indoors then seal the connection.

73
George AI4VZ

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mike Harris via Elecraft

I must say that over many years and without any ill effect I've never
bought into this idea of Gorilering up a PL259 with pliers beyond finger
tight. A quarter of a turn is an unbelievable suggestion.
...
Regards,

Mike VP8NO


>    ...
>
> Don't forget to tighten the connector 1/4 turn after "finger tight" with
> a pair of pliers to make a real seal.
>
> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane 


From scott.small at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 17:32:24 2020
From: scott.small at gmail.com (Tox)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 14:32:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
In-Reply-To: <690e81cf-edd7-33a2-dcd6-2bdf6a981d44@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CAGAru0_HHfRTVRdSs439xfYUxqf4C1N_GrxMokZpieL64Cc1Og@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7C2DF45-8AB2-4C2B-9AE9-60864FA4FB71@ko8v.net>
	<CADkB6UqAShUcW5KncPaUyp2Nu1fhWQ1KXQca5Tskz9wTvtZyJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<beaf02d2-f44a-c7f4-8892-f21de1a67ad3@foothill.net>
	<CADkB6UqTe_9nFPN_J+8DL85v5ZKLRKKQ5zub_wqifPWTRVQQVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4ABCDE4-3904-47FF-8463-31C756F529C1@gmail.com>
	<690e81cf-edd7-33a2-dcd6-2bdf6a981d44@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <CADkB6UrhJrXx__OND-4yeaP8MHFycZe1hPD=xceaGDxiV8sTdw@mail.gmail.com>

If you're primarily in interest-bearing accounts rather than other
investments, all too true.

Opportunity cost varies wildly.

Scott


On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 1:35 PM Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:

> On 7/16/2020 11:05 AM, Carl Yaffey wrote:
> > What? We?re not getting interest?
>
> :)
>
> A look at the latest statement from wherever we store our money will
> tell us that the current interest rate is quite close to zero percent.
>
>   73, Jim K9YC
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Jul 16 17:41:21 2020
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 14:41:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 in the IARU Contest Last weekend
In-Reply-To: <911a9163-7dba-7a4b-68d8-102691161f0c@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <20200715113656.Horde.Ez06_xF3RqQyKcmfjZAeHaW@www11.qth.com>
	<1245664018.350867.1594838808426@mail2.virginmedia.com>
	<81781e8b-5612-73c1-f2e5-deb484b2febc@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<2064574118.350451.1594845405663@mail2.virginmedia.com>
	<77c02347-9128-d177-c3d8-171d02c8c36b@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<601787d0-e7a2-66cd-be2a-95d1711f5dd9@gmail.com>
	<911a9163-7dba-7a4b-68d8-102691161f0c@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <639b78c5-c34e-8ecc-3673-1e5ab7391cae@foothill.net>

Indeed!? Probably the least unbalanced of "balanced" antenna systems 
that ever existed were the HF point-to-point rhombics and V-beams at the 
RCA, Mackay, and Marconi shore stations in the first 60 or so years of 
the 20th century.? Despite very precise engineering to make them 
balanced, the RF currents in each side of the open feeders were never 
exactly the same.

As a teenage ham, I tended to think in absolutes and exactitudes. If my 
Heath MM-1 multimeter said the screen voltage was 176.5 V, I believed it 
was, exactly, and if the spec said 177.5 V, I needed to do something to 
"fix" it.? If the ARRL Handbook said the two halves of my 40 meter 
dipole needed to be exactly 32.9114 feet, I believed that the antenna 
would not work if I didn't assure my dipole was exactly 32.9114 on each 
side.? As I grew older, both in age and ham longevity, I realized my 
Elmer was right when reminded me on multiple occasions, "We're 
amateurs.? Most often, 'close' is good enough."

Seems like many today are convinced that 32.9114 ft will work but 
32.9000 ft won't.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/16/2020 1:00 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 7/16/2020 1:14 AM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote:
>> If the antenna is well-balanced and fed via a true balanced antenna 
>> tuner (preferably link-coupled) then there shouldn't be a problem 
>> with common mode currents.
>
> Few ham antennas are perfectly balanced -- they are often unbalanced 
> by their surroundings. For example, ground slope, unequal heights of 
> the two halves, other conductors around the antenna, even vegetation. 
> And yes, all elements of the antenna system, including the feedline, 
> the antenna, and matching at both ends, contribute to the balance of 
> the SYSTEM.
>
> THAT'S why it's wrong to talk about "balanced line," using "parallel 
> wire" or 2-wire" line instead.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC


From w4sc at windstream.net  Thu Jul 16 17:42:55 2020
From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 17:42:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2NB Kit hiding in the closet  unbuilt
In-Reply-To: <003801d65bb9$2e744ee0$8b5ceca0$@net>
References: <DB.0F.28222.B84A01F5@smtp01.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
	<003801d65bb9$2e744ee0$8b5ceca0$@net>
Message-ID: <E8.71.28222.FD9C01F5@smtp01.aqua.bos.sync.lan>

KNB2 has been SOLD


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Jul 16 17:45:01 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 17:45:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers
In-Reply-To: <FEE25E31D78947989C19DA8B1667D6BD@OfficeDeskTop>
References: <CAEwXZzscp+_jtj96QmB3Dk44Ja7C2tVDTREynjp993GG6+GxpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20200715233950.jgpbcybbf3doiame@n0nb.us>
	<b30a4a79-466b-7226-56a3-8dbe92fd7625@hvc.rr.com>
	<3ed1659d-9d65-08de-625b-91b6d2dc679e@af2z.net>
	<cb9caa06-f495-ab2d-e6cd-ac17cc34fd34@kanafi.org>
	<4f1ab871-a8a3-3390-a232-88f32d58e587@horizon.co.fk>
	<FEE25E31D78947989C19DA8B1667D6BD@OfficeDeskTop>
Message-ID: <5dae6468-a212-4dfd-7ae0-ff7f2eea074d@embarqmail.com>

One problem is that "finger-tight" is not the same for all hams.
The other is the use of off-brand connectors that do not fit well.
The other is that some connectors do not engage the protruding 'tabs' on 
the PL-259 do not seat properly with the indentations on the SO-239. 
Those are the ones for which "finger-tight" is not good enough.

I agree that 1/4 turn is too much - if you can turn it that much, it was 
not properly mated, remove and start again.  Just a slight touch of the 
pliers will make it certain the connector is tight.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/16/2020 5:25 PM, Gmail - George wrote:
> Years ago in a land far-far away all video coax connectors in Broadcast
> Television were UHF (PL259).
> We only tightened them hand (finger) tight. In may places pliers would have
> not fit any way.
> 

From mails at qrp4fun.de  Thu Jul 16 18:05:41 2020
From: mails at qrp4fun.de (Ingo Meyer, DK3RED)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 00:05:41 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
In-Reply-To: <CAGAru0_HHfRTVRdSs439xfYUxqf4C1N_GrxMokZpieL64Cc1Og@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGAru0_HHfRTVRdSs439xfYUxqf4C1N_GrxMokZpieL64Cc1Og@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16d8c729-3141-b20f-169f-63c5ce2aa0c3@qrp4fun.de>

Hey folks, stay calm!

Long long before Corvid-19, for example, the delivery time for simple block capacitors 
(100 nF) was 12 weeks or more. I suspect that the Elecraft team will start the 
pick-and-place machines as soon as possible when everything arrives. So stay calm!

73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de

From k9ztv at socket.net  Thu Jul 16 18:06:09 2020
From: k9ztv at socket.net (K9ZTV)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 17:06:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers
In-Reply-To: <FEE25E31D78947989C19DA8B1667D6BD@OfficeDeskTop>
References: <CAEwXZzscp+_jtj96QmB3Dk44Ja7C2tVDTREynjp993GG6+GxpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20200715233950.jgpbcybbf3doiame@n0nb.us>
	<b30a4a79-466b-7226-56a3-8dbe92fd7625@hvc.rr.com>
	<3ed1659d-9d65-08de-625b-91b6d2dc679e@af2z.net>
	<cb9caa06-f495-ab2d-e6cd-ac17cc34fd34@kanafi.org>
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Message-ID: <D606E6EB-DBE3-4DCC-A8BC-CA8A3D580F46@socket.net>

Amen, George, on mating the ?tiny indentations.?  It?s easy to ignore this step because many hams think they mate automatically as the PL-259 penetrates the SO-239.  They sometimes don?t.  The coax itself has to be rotated back and forth until the mating can be felt through one?s fingers.  Indentations on cheap connectors have minimal mating surfaces or none at all.

73,

Kent  K9ZTV  

> On Jul 16, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Gmail - George <gdanner12 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Proper installation of the UHF connector is to make sure it is made 
> properly, and then properly mated by rotating the coax until the tiny 
> indentations on the female are found and mated with the male. Then tighten 
> it hand tight.
> 
> 73
> George AI4VZ
> 


From john at kk9a.com  Thu Jul 16 18:07:19 2020
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 18:07:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
Message-ID: <006101d65bbd$79a150d0$6ce3f270$@com>

Things may be different in California but here in North Carolina I do not
know of any manufacture or supplier that closed. 

John KK9A - W4AAA

Don Wilhelm wrote:

All,

The parts may have come in pre-covid, BUT
Elecraft boards are populated at board shops in California, and the 
metal parts come out of another shop in California.

So while Elecraft may be limping along, they are dependent on a variety 
of other California shops which may be shuttered.

73,
Don W3FPR


From oldmanshu at icloud.com  Thu Jul 16 18:14:26 2020
From: oldmanshu at icloud.com (Joseph Shuman)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 18:14:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
Message-ID: <CCA9D503-F1EF-46B2-A42B-251BE99EB226@icloud.com>

Not waiting on a K4, got my KX2 and perfectly happy.  Also, off topic and not intended to besmirch anyone, but being a math geek in a math geeky hobby . . .

?The population density in California is high ... high enough that if everyone stood 1 meter from everyone else, some would be standing in Nevada and some in the Pacific Ocean.?

Check your math.  World population is about 8 Billion.  Give everyone a Covid distance of two meters, or four square meters per person.  That gives us 32 billion square meters to socially distance the world population.  California is about 424 billion square meters.  Plenty of room for everybody!

Keeping Watch-
shu

Joe Shuman, KE8KJZ

From n7wy at rocketmail.com  Thu Jul 16 18:19:05 2020
From: n7wy at rocketmail.com (Robert Rennard)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 16:19:05 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
Message-ID: <mailman.130.1594937957.3112.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Six weeks ago, my 100 years old Grandmother?s dryer broke down.  My bride and I went to Lowes to see what we could find that would be simple to operate, and did the same at the local Home Depot.  Grandmother is about 1230 miles from us.
One thing we noticed that was common to all the models in both the big box stores was a taped on paper sign reading BACK ORDERED.  We had little success trying to get one from either big box website, but did finally get an order placed for delivery a month ago.  Grandmother got the new dryer about two weeks ago.  Delay after delay.

I think we should realize that a lot of changes have to be made for a company to comply with the guidelines and ensure employee safety: workspace spittle shields, ingress body temperature checks, PPE such as masks and gloves, and the 20 questions that should be asked every Monday regarding what employees did over the weekend.  Not only does Elecraft want to ship products and complete repairs in a timely manner, they also want to avoid jeopardizing employee health.  We too should want Elecraft to meet these objectives, particularly the latter.

I continue to see the video of some woman ranting about her right to not wear a mask.  She is evidently completely clueless about how SARS-CoV-2 spreads.  So, you can mock me for wearing a mask, but I hope you won?t have to mourn me because someone else did not wear theirs.  Maybe being jailed for involuntary manslaughter would wake up the public who think COVID is a hoax.

Bob R ? N7WY


From mails at qrp4fun.de  Thu Jul 16 18:19:18 2020
From: mails at qrp4fun.de (Ingo Meyer, DK3RED)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 00:19:18 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] CWT Calibration
In-Reply-To: <1622182274.25646331.1594904659712.JavaMail.zimbra@embarqmail.com>
References: <1622182274.25646331.1594904659712.JavaMail.zimbra@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <c5ef6e5c-0478-2ef7-e715-a4d15077df58@qrp4fun.de>

Hi Wilson,


> I have deduced that the bars in the CWT display are 25 Hz apart.
> Does anyone know if that's right?

Can you hear a 25 Hz pitch difference when it's hot on the short wave bands? If so, 
congratulations! You can admit it if you used a frequency counter.

In my opinion CWT is a very good tool to get close to another station quickly. And no one 
realy no one has complained to me in a QSO so far that I was 25 Hz away from his 
transmitting frequency.


73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de

From k9yeq at live.com  Thu Jul 16 18:31:13 2020
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 22:31:13 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
In-Reply-To: <5c55c27c-3e00-cd36-2e06-532af4fa14e0@gmail.com>
References: <CAGAru0_HHfRTVRdSs439xfYUxqf4C1N_GrxMokZpieL64Cc1Og@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CADkB6UqAShUcW5KncPaUyp2Nu1fhWQ1KXQca5Tskz9wTvtZyJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<beaf02d2-f44a-c7f4-8892-f21de1a67ad3@foothill.net>
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	<5c55c27c-3e00-cd36-2e06-532af4fa14e0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB68707EA40B900EA3F6A375479C7F0@CH2PR02MB6870.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

I sent my thoughts directly to Scott, not to the reflector.  This one will be out of hand in no time.  

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Ted Roycraft
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 1:56 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 in production

If that's the way you feel, why don't you ask for your money back?

Ted, W2ZK

On 7/16/2020 13:55, Tox wrote:
> Given lead times, if the Dec/Jan ship date was not BS, then parts 
> would already have already been in transit before primary covid 
> impacts were in place. OK, that was missed.
>
> I understand these are not normal times. And I live in Santa Clara 
> County, understand current density and watch county #s (and Health 
> Orders being ignored by the public).
>
> That they aren't shipping on time now seems most immediately 
> attributable to covid, agreed. That this is the case is seems a result 
> of either failure to deliver or failure to honestly communicate last year.
>
> We're now reaching the window of the most recent round of delivery 
> promises, yet I don't know anyone, including those who fronted cash a 
> year ago on a Nov date, who has even gotten final pricing yet.
>
> Hence my frustration. I not only am impatient about getting the Shiny 
> (surprise), I feel deceived about how it has been handled by someone 
> sitting on thousands of dollars of my cash.
>
> Scott
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 10:47 AM Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
>
>> Say again?  The virus began in Asia [Wuhan China to be exact] at the 
>> very end of 2019.  Many of the parts that Elecraft and every other 
>> manufacturer uses are sourced out of Asia.  Everyones' supply chains 
>> are disrupted now but slowly improving.
>>
>> Elecraft is based in California.  The population density in 
>> California is high ... high enough that if everyone stood 1 meter 
>> from everyone else, some would be standing in Nevada and some in the Pacific Ocean.
>> [:=)  From the news that leaks over the Sierra Nevada to Sparks, 
>> Elecraft is really working to both resume normal production AND 
>> protect their employees and families so they can continue normal production.
>>
>> 73,
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>>
>> On 7/16/2020 10:20 AM, Tox wrote:
>>> The parts availability issue was supposed to have been resolved
>> pre-covid.
>>> Wondering what the facts are.
>>> (not griefing you, just frustrated by Nov,Dec/Jan,Mar/Apr,Jul/Aug
>>>    string-along)
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
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From donovanf at starpower.net  Thu Jul 16 18:32:48 2020
From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 18:32:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
In-Reply-To: <CAABDLm3M9UFMBX2GPp=UC7sUHhwEno6FJvLZreMOx-f55DnSQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <952753389.1908371.1594938768547.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>

Ken's statement that " a non-resonant antenna can have a 1:1 SWR" 
is patently false with the sole exception of a dummy load used as an 
antenna. 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 


----- Original Message -----

From: "Ken WA8JXM" <wa8jxm at gmail.com> 
To: "Andy Durbin" <a.durbin at msn.com> 
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 7:30:58 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas 

Yes, a resonant half wave dipole can have a feedpoint impedance of 5 ohms 
to 90 ohms (SWR 10:1 to 1.8:1), but it's still resonant. 

Conversely, a non-resonant antenna can have a 1:1 SWR. 

Ken WA8JXM 

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 12:34 PM Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote: 

> "A correspondent asked me why I needed to tune a resonant antenna." 
> 
> Perhaps the question should have been "why may you need to match the 
> impedance of a resonant antenna". The answer may be that not all resonant 
> antennas are 50 ohm. Resonance only means that inductive and capacitive 
> reactance are equal magnitude. Resonance says nothing about the value of R. 
> 
> Andy, k3wyc 
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From htodd at twofifty.com  Thu Jul 16 18:43:37 2020
From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 15:43:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production _ Money UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <CADkB6UpDwomP8LNBgkJonfGKamzL+z0MrW-4cVD2t7yS3H0tVw@mail.gmail.com>
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My card was charged 6/3/2019.

There's always the chance that Elecraft goes under and I don't see any
of it back. I'm just patiently waiting for the the radio.

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020, Tox wrote:

> No, they were up front that they were trying to fund the production run.
> Credit cards were hit last year.
>
> Scott
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 12:28 PM Paul Van Dyke <pvandyke1953 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> IF and IF I remember correctly, they (Elecraft) takes not a penny from you
>> till it is shipped. I know the money is waiting for them as I wait for the
>> K4.
>>
>> I'm still happy, wishing I could I could have taken it on the dxpedition,
>> but it didn't happen either due to Covid-19.
>> I have a great K3S K-Station setup..
>> I will have a better K4 K-Station setup when it comes in.
>>
>> See you on the air & Nets
>> Paul Van Dyke - KB9AVO
>> K2-16xx
>> K3S-11103
>> KX3-24 (4 days out out of Elecraft running a dxpedition on Montserrat)
>> KXPA100 -22
>> KX2-38
>> KXPA100-22/KX3-24  team
>> (1 week out out of Elecraft running a dxpedition on Dominica)
>>
>> Search Results
>> Web re
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>
>
>

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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Thu Jul 16 18:46:54 2020
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 15:46:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers
In-Reply-To: <5dae6468-a212-4dfd-7ae0-ff7f2eea074d@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAEwXZzscp+_jtj96QmB3Dk44Ja7C2tVDTREynjp993GG6+GxpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20200715233950.jgpbcybbf3doiame@n0nb.us>
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	<3ed1659d-9d65-08de-625b-91b6d2dc679e@af2z.net>
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Message-ID: <912E00AC-26F9-485A-9F20-4736F9A56B17@wunderwood.org>

I screw it down, wiggle it, back it off, wiggle it, push it down, screw it down, repeat, then switch to Type N connectors (which don?t need any of that nonsense).

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jul 16, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> One problem is that "finger-tight" is not the same for all hams.
> The other is the use of off-brand connectors that do not fit well.
> The other is that some connectors do not engage the protruding 'tabs' on the PL-259 do not seat properly with the indentations on the SO-239. Those are the ones for which "finger-tight" is not good enough.
> 
> I agree that 1/4 turn is too much - if you can turn it that much, it was not properly mated, remove and start again.  Just a slight touch of the pliers will make it certain the connector is tight.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 7/16/2020 5:25 PM, Gmail - George wrote:
>> Years ago in a land far-far away all video coax connectors in Broadcast
>> Television were UHF (PL259).
>> We only tightened them hand (finger) tight. In may places pliers would have
>> not fit any way.
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From kd2bd at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 16 18:51:48 2020
From: kd2bd at yahoo.com (John Magliacane)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 22:51:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
In-Reply-To: <6514387d-1191-0f16-d471-89cf98d3a640@david-woolley.me.uk>
References: <BYAPR16MB29688181A41DD2DF2DF4D1228C7E0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <1253153287.2481710.1594939908431@mail.yahoo.com>

 On 15/07/2020 20:30, Ken WA8JXM wrote:

> Conversely, a non-resonant antenna can have a 1:1 SWR.

On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 03:33:12 AM EDT, David Woolley <forums at david-woolley.me.uk> wrote:

> You can only have a 1:1 SWR at a single impedance. If the design
> impedance is purely resistive, that means you can only have 1:1 for a
> resistive and therefore on-resonance load (or one that can be treated as
> having no reactive behaviour at the frequencies of interest - e.g. an
> ideal dummy load).

I agree completely, but there's a "catch".

Traveling-wave antennas, such as Rhombics, or Beverages, or leaky transmission lines, are, technically, non-resonant. However, they can each present a 50 ohm feedpoint impedance that is purely resistive, and produce a 1:1 VSWR as a result. ;-)

So, whether an antenna is resonant or non-resonant isn't the issue. The issue is whether or not a load impedance contains a reactive component. If it DOES, then it can never produce a 1:1 VSWR.

 
73 de John, KD2BD
  

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Jul 16 18:58:54 2020
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 15:58:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
In-Reply-To: <CCA9D503-F1EF-46B2-A42B-251BE99EB226@icloud.com>
References: <CCA9D503-F1EF-46B2-A42B-251BE99EB226@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <6924711d-e6cd-9485-58f3-40ef8ce9661e@foothill.net>

Yes, I too have a math degree and the mean population density of 
California is ~98/sq km and yes, all the people in CA could stand well 
more than 1 m apart and no one would need scuba tanks or find themselves 
in Nevada [or Oregon or Arizona or Baja California].? I made it up ... 
it was intended as a joke.? It's a good thing I ended up supporting my 
family with math and engineering degrees since I don't hold a degree in 
comedy and apparently? I suck at it. [:=)

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/16/2020 3:14 PM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
> Not waiting on a K4, got my KX2 and perfectly happy.  Also, off topic and not intended to besmirch anyone, but being a math geek in a math geeky hobby . . .
>
> ?The population density in California is high ... high enough that if everyone stood 1 meter from everyone else, some would be standing in Nevada and some in the Pacific Ocean.?
>
> Check your math.  World population is about 8 Billion.  Give everyone a Covid distance of two meters, or four square meters per person.  That gives us 32 billion square meters to socially distance the world population.  California is about 424 billion square meters.  Plenty of room for everybody!
>
> Keeping Watch-
> shu
>
> Joe Shuman, KE8KJZ
>


From elecraftcovers at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 19:10:03 2020
From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 17:10:03 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?b?VHlwZSAiTuKAnS8gQk5D?=
In-Reply-To: <912E00AC-26F9-485A-9F20-4736F9A56B17@wunderwood.org>
References: <CAEwXZzscp+_jtj96QmB3Dk44Ja7C2tVDTREynjp993GG6+GxpQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<b30a4a79-466b-7226-56a3-8dbe92fd7625@hvc.rr.com>
	<3ed1659d-9d65-08de-625b-91b6d2dc679e@af2z.net>
	<cb9caa06-f495-ab2d-e6cd-ac17cc34fd34@kanafi.org>
	<4f1ab871-a8a3-3390-a232-88f32d58e587@horizon.co.fk>
	<FEE25E31D78947989C19DA8B1667D6BD@OfficeDeskTop>
	<5dae6468-a212-4dfd-7ae0-ff7f2eea074d@embarqmail.com>
	<912E00AC-26F9-485A-9F20-4736F9A56B17@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <CAK+fsRXZom4vrWq-yjTmvToPQ-etj-+o+sKA-N+uLBGNHA_8yw@mail.gmail.com>

Type "N? connectors ..... the only way.  Next in line is "baby" bNc.

73

Ken Kopp - K0PP


On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 16:47 Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org> wrote:

> I screw it down, wiggle it, back it off, wiggle it, push it down, screw it
> down, repeat, then switch to Type N connectors (which don?t need any of
> that nonsense).
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>
> > On Jul 16, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > One problem is that "finger-tight" is not the same for all hams.
> > The other is the use of off-brand connectors that do not fit well.
> > The other is that some connectors do not engage the protruding 'tabs' on
> the PL-259 do not seat properly with the indentations on the SO-239. Those
> are the ones for which "finger-tight" is not good enough.
> >
> > I agree that 1/4 turn is too much - if you can turn it that much, it was
> not properly mated, remove and start again.  Just a slight touch of the
> pliers will make it certain the connector is tight.
> >
> > 73,
> > Don W3FPR
> >
> > On 7/16/2020 5:25 PM, Gmail - George wrote:
> >> Years ago in a land far-far away all video coax connectors in Broadcast
> >> Television were UHF (PL259).
> >> We only tightened them hand (finger) tight. In may places pliers would
> have
> >> not fit any way.
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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> >
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From elecraftcovers at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 19:12:44 2020
From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 17:12:44 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?Joke_status_wasn=27t_wasted_on_me_?=
	=?utf-8?b?8J+Ygg==?=
In-Reply-To: <6924711d-e6cd-9485-58f3-40ef8ce9661e@foothill.net>
References: <CCA9D503-F1EF-46B2-A42B-251BE99EB226@icloud.com>
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On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 16:59 Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:

> Yes, I too have a math degree and the mean population density of
> California is ~98/sq km and yes, all the people in CA could stand well
> more than 1 m apart and no one would need scuba tanks or find themselves
> in Nevada [or Oregon or Arizona or Baja California].  I made it up ...
> it was intended as a joke.  It's a good thing I ended up supporting my
> family with math and engineering degrees since I don't hold a degree in
> comedy and apparently  I suck at it. [:=)
>
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> On 7/16/2020 3:14 PM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
> > Not waiting on a K4, got my KX2 and perfectly happy.  Also, off topic
> and not intended to besmirch anyone, but being a math geek in a math geeky
> hobby . . .
> >
> > ?The population density in California is high ... high enough that if
> everyone stood 1 meter from everyone else, some would be standing in Nevada
> and some in the Pacific Ocean.?
> >
> > Check your math.  World population is about 8 Billion.  Give everyone a
> Covid distance of two meters, or four square meters per person.  That gives
> us 32 billion square meters to socially distance the world population.
> California is about 424 billion square meters.  Plenty of room for
> everybody!
> >
> > Keeping Watch-
> > shu
> >
> > Joe Shuman, KE8KJZ
> >
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From dean.k2ww at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 19:25:42 2020
From: dean.k2ww at gmail.com (Dean L)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 19:25:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Using Yaesu Quadra VL-1000 with K3/ ALC?
Message-ID: <CAHh=7imts4c84FFcVA52NeUwGwh3QobvTTuNkf_HYaNAxcEm6w@mail.gmail.com>

I'm working on a Yaesu VL1000 for a friend and wondering if anybody's had
experience setting up ALC with the K3 and the VL1000?
Is it necessary?
I'm not much of a QRO guy as you can probably tell.

Thanks in advance for your help 73

Dean K2WW

From a.durbin at msn.com  Thu Jul 16 19:44:55 2020
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 23:44:55 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Impossible separation - tenuously related to "K4 in
	production"
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB29688A590AD090FA4F2196CA8C7F0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"high enough that if everyone stood 1 meter from everyone else,"

Never mind the math.  Can't you all see that the basic premise is impossible?

It could work if everyone stood at least 1 meter from anyone else.  It could also work if everyone stood at least 1 meter from everyone else.  What can't work is everyone standing 1 meter from everyone else.   The compressibility effect would be horrendous and the resulting spanned distance wouldn't be much over 1 meter.  Far short of spanning from Pacific to Nevada.

Andy, k3wyc

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Jul 16 19:50:35 2020
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 19:50:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production _ Money UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <CAEPKcUnBCG2PU44CnPnB_nSaww_nOsMU5+kCg_pzhLZ7groyaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPKcUnBCG2PU44CnPnB_nSaww_nOsMU5+kCg_pzhLZ7groyaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B639176-9D6B-4AB8-BC24-9786BB500D98@widomaker.com>

In this case it?s a deposit. They are using the money. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 16, 2020, at 3:30 PM, Paul Van Dyke <pvandyke1953 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?IF and IF I remember correctly, they (Elecraft) takes not a penny from you
> till it is shipped. I know the money is waiting for them as I wait for the
> K4.
> 
> I'm still happy, wishing I could I could have taken it on the dxpedition,
> but it didn't happen either due to Covid-19.
> I have a great K3S K-Station setup..
> I will have a better K4 K-Station setup when it comes in.
> 
> See you on the air & Nets
> Paul Van Dyke - KB9AVO
> K2-16xx
> K3S-11103
> KX3-24 (4 days out out of Elecraft running a dxpedition on Montserrat)
> KXPA100 -22
> KX2-38
> KXPA100-22/KX3-24  team
> (1 week out out of Elecraft running a dxpedition on Dominica)
> 
> Search Results
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Jul 16 19:58:53 2020
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 19:58:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] CWT Calibration
In-Reply-To: <c5ef6e5c-0478-2ef7-e715-a4d15077df58@qrp4fun.de>
References: <c5ef6e5c-0478-2ef7-e715-a4d15077df58@qrp4fun.de>
Message-ID: <4556A31F-9D29-4A4A-8FE7-1679FBDEBE0F@widomaker.com>

That?s about where I set my  IT!

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 16, 2020, at 6:22 PM, Ingo Meyer, DK3RED <mails at qrp4fun.de> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Wilson,
> 
> 
>> I have deduced that the bars in the CWT display are 25 Hz apart.
>> Does anyone know if that's right?
> 
> Can you hear a 25 Hz pitch difference when it's hot on the short wave bands? If so, congratulations! You can admit it if you used a frequency counter.
> 
> In my opinion CWT is a very good tool to get close to another station quickly. And no one realy no one has complained to me in a QSO so far that I was 25 Hz away from his transmitting frequency.
> 
> 
> 73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
> www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de
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From pincon at erols.com  Thu Jul 16 19:55:07 2020
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 19:55:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 in the IARU Contest Last weekend
In-Reply-To: <639b78c5-c34e-8ecc-3673-1e5ab7391cae@foothill.net>
References: <20200715113656.Horde.Ez06_xF3RqQyKcmfjZAeHaW@www11.qth.com>	<1245664018.350867.1594838808426@mail2.virginmedia.com>	<81781e8b-5612-73c1-f2e5-deb484b2febc@audiosystemsgroup.com>	<2064574118.350451.1594845405663@mail2.virginmedia.com>	<77c02347-9128-d177-c3d8-171d02c8c36b@audiosystemsgroup.com>	<601787d0-e7a2-66cd-be2a-95d1711f5dd9@gmail.com>	<911a9163-7dba-7a4b-68d8-102691161f0c@audiosystemsgroup.com>
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Message-ID: <00d701d65bcc$8c7b11a0$a57134e0$@erols.com>

Yeah, I remember as a new ham of 14, I asked my dad to buy a 50 foot piece of RG-58/u at Electronics Wholesalers in Washington DC.
He came home with 50 feet of RG58C/u which has a stranded center conductor and a characteristic Z of 53?.

I politely asked him to return it since it wasn't the correct impedance.
The counter clerk tried to explain that it was "better" because of  the more flexible center and the very slight difference in characteristic impedance wouldn't make ANY difference in performance, but he insisted and came away with a new piece of RG-58/u.  I think l I used it to string up a 15M dipole between our two chimneys.

Never DID get that %$#@ Globe Chief to work on 15 though.
For some reason, it had more output on 14 MHz than 21 even when I had the bandswitch on 15M 
My entire Novice career was spent on 40M CW and 2M AM back when Novices had 145 to 147 MHz.

73,   k3ICH  (ex KN3ICH in1959) 


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Fred Jensen
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 5:41 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 in the IARU Contest Last weekend

Indeed!  Probably the least unbalanced of "balanced" antenna systems that ever existed were the HF point-to-point rhombics and V-beams at the RCA, Mackay, and Marconi shore stations in the first 60 or so years of the 20th century.  Despite very precise engineering to make them balanced, the RF currents in each side of the open feeders were never exactly the same.

As a teenage ham, I tended to think in absolutes and exactitudes. If my Heath MM-1 multimeter said the screen voltage was 176.5 V, I believed it was, exactly, and if the spec said 177.5 V, I needed to do something to "fix" it.  If the ARRL Handbook said the two halves of my 40 meter dipole needed to be exactly 32.9114 feet, I believed that the antenna would not work if I didn't assure my dipole was exactly 32.9114 on each side.  As I grew older, both in age and ham longevity, I realized my Elmer was right when reminded me on multiple occasions, "We're amateurs.  Most often, 'close' is good enough."

Seems like many today are convinced that 32.9114 ft will work but
32.9000 ft won't.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County
 


From zk2boy at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 16 20:09:06 2020
From: zk2boy at hotmail.com (zk2boy)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 21:09:06 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 15K Resistor
In-Reply-To: <CACW=-xFtpJvhSQeZuYKnTSCa9eOQqp+miSib=F=poQKMkdjejw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BYAPR02MB5221D44F0C1AC761E0EDE353987F0@BYAPR02MB5221.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<C37F8954-89FA-4530-B12A-F86D3D0B9555@reagan.com>
	<CACW=-xFtpJvhSQeZuYKnTSCa9eOQqp+miSib=F=poQKMkdjejw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR02MB5221B5C5BEEF4959FE56DE9E987C0@BYAPR02MB5221.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Barry,

There was one 15K resistor in the two RF bags. But one is required for 
building the RF board and one is required for the AGC modification.

Murray

On 2020-07-16 2:52 p.m., barry halterman wrote:
> Murry, in rf bag 2 should be that 15k.
> Barry
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 11:16 AM Harlan Sherriff via Elecraft 
> <elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>> wrote:
>
>     Not trying to be a smarty, but take a quick look at list of
>     components in each ?accessory? building guide.
>
>     Sent from my iPhone
>
>     > On Jul 16, 2020, at 10:23 AM, zk2boy <zk2boy at hotmail.com
>     <mailto:zk2boy at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>     >
>     > ?Building my K2 serial #6397. The instructions said use a 15K
>     resistor to do a mod in the AGC circuit per an application note.
>     It promised an extra resistor was included in the K2 kit for this.
>     I did the mod per the app note, but find I now am short a 15K
>     resistor for the RF board. My question: I have lots of bags of K2
>     accessories unbuilt yet. Any chance somebody with a central
>     database knows if there is a 15K resistor in an accessory kit that
>     I could borrow and replace later? I know I don't have such a
>     resistor in my junk cupboard.Murray? VA1CQ
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From donovanf at starpower.net  Thu Jul 16 20:47:07 2020
From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 20:47:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 in the IARU Contest Last weekend
In-Reply-To: <639b78c5-c34e-8ecc-3673-1e5ab7391cae@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <1112432867.1946999.1594946827260.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>

Hi Skip, 


Conceptionally you're correct about rhombics and V-beams but your time frame is way off. 


Edmond Bruce's rhombic antenna patent was filed in 1931. 


www.aktuellum.com/mobile/circuits/antenna-patent 


ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=1685103 


The heyday for the rhombic ran from the 1930s through the 1970s with 
the advent of satellite communications. The 200 foot tower for my 
40 meter stacked 3 element Yagis came from a decommissioned 
Laport Rhombic installed at the NSS receive site in Cheltenham MD. 
We removed it in 1985, but it hadn't been used for years. 


73 
Frank 
W3 






----- Original Message -----

From: "Fred Jensen" <k6dgw at foothill.net> 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 9:41:21 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 in the IARU Contest Last weekend 

Indeed! Probably the least unbalanced of "balanced" antenna systems 
that ever existed were the HF point-to-point rhombics and V-beams at the 
RCA, Mackay, and Marconi shore stations in the first 60 or so years of 
the 20th century. Despite very precise engineering to make them 
balanced, the RF currents in each side of the open feeders were never 
exactly the same. 

As a teenage ham, I tended to think in absolutes and exactitudes. If my 
Heath MM-1 multimeter said the screen voltage was 176.5 V, I believed it 
was, exactly, and if the spec said 177.5 V, I needed to do something to 
"fix" it. If the ARRL Handbook said the two halves of my 40 meter 
dipole needed to be exactly 32.9114 feet, I believed that the antenna 
would not work if I didn't assure my dipole was exactly 32.9114 on each 
side. As I grew older, both in age and ham longevity, I realized my 
Elmer was right when reminded me on multiple occasions, "We're 
amateurs. Most often, 'close' is good enough." 

Seems like many today are convinced that 32.9114 ft will work but 
32.9000 ft won't. 

73, 
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW 
Sparks NV DM09dn 
Washoe County 

On 7/16/2020 1:00 PM, Jim Brown wrote: 
> On 7/16/2020 1:14 AM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: 
>> If the antenna is well-balanced and fed via a true balanced antenna 
>> tuner (preferably link-coupled) then there shouldn't be a problem 
>> with common mode currents. 
> 
> Few ham antennas are perfectly balanced -- they are often unbalanced 
> by their surroundings. For example, ground slope, unequal heights of 
> the two halves, other conductors around the antenna, even vegetation. 
> And yes, all elements of the antenna system, including the feedline, 
> the antenna, and matching at both ends, contribute to the balance of 
> the SYSTEM. 
> 
> THAT'S why it's wrong to talk about "balanced line," using "parallel 
> wire" or 2-wire" line instead. 
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC 

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From softblue at windstream.net  Thu Jul 16 20:47:21 2020
From: softblue at windstream.net (Dick Dickinson)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 20:47:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production _ Money UPDATE
Message-ID: <000001d65bd3$d53a4080$7faec180$@windstream.net>

nr4c's use of the present tense indicates he is an optimist.


As ever,
Dick - KA5KKT

________________________________________
In this case it's a deposit. They are using the money. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill




From lists at subich.com  Thu Jul 16 20:48:22 2020
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 20:48:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Using Yaesu Quadra VL-1000 with K3/ ALC?
In-Reply-To: <CAHh=7imts4c84FFcVA52NeUwGwh3QobvTTuNkf_HYaNAxcEm6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHh=7imts4c84FFcVA52NeUwGwh3QobvTTuNkf_HYaNAxcEm6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <088b90d2-fcd2-2b16-2337-895f588c8ca7@subich.com>


 > Is it necessary?

Yes.  The Quadra produces is rated 1000 W output with approximately
60W drive.  The K3 will overdrive it resulting in splatter/IMD and
potential damage to the transistors.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2020-07-16 7:25 PM, Dean L wrote:
> I'm working on a Yaesu VL1000 for a friend and wondering if anybody's had
> experience setting up ALC with the K3 and the VL1000?
> Is it necessary?
> I'm not much of a QRO guy as you can probably tell.
> 
> Thanks in advance for your help 73
> 
> Dean K2WW



From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Thu Jul 16 21:33:46 2020
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 01:33:46 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers
In-Reply-To: <4f1ab871-a8a3-3390-a232-88f32d58e587@horizon.co.fk>
References: <CAEwXZzscp+_jtj96QmB3Dk44Ja7C2tVDTREynjp993GG6+GxpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20200715233950.jgpbcybbf3doiame@n0nb.us>
	<b30a4a79-466b-7226-56a3-8dbe92fd7625@hvc.rr.com>
	<3ed1659d-9d65-08de-625b-91b6d2dc679e@af2z.net>
	<cb9caa06-f495-ab2d-e6cd-ac17cc34fd34@kanafi.org>,
	<4f1ab871-a8a3-3390-a232-88f32d58e587@horizon.co.fk>
Message-ID: <8E44A2F8-8C4F-44A3-9BC6-6B0D7A8DB15C@illinois.edu>

I wiggle the connector as I finger tighten the barrel. The result is that they are difficult to unscrew. Also I use a heavy silicone grease on the threads and on the back where the barrel contacts the connector. I have never had any issues with water in 20 years doing that.

Jack BMW Motorcycles
Chuck KE9UW
c-hawley at illinois.edu

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 16, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Mike Harris via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I must say that over many years and without any ill effect I've never bought into this idea of Gorilering up a PL259 with pliers beyond finger tight. A quarter of a turn is an unbelievable suggestion. I've just tried it and a couple of degrees is the best I could do without being brutal and even then I don't thing it would go any further.
> 
> Urban myth maybe?
> 
> Also, I've never had a failure after simply applying a generous wrap of self amalgamating tape, nothing else, to waterproof coax connectors. Our UV environment is pretty powerful, clear skies and sunshine can turn the skin on my head into huge dandruff seven days later after 30 minutes exposure.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mike VP8NO
> 
>> On 16/07/2020 12:21, Phil Kane wrote:
>>> On 7/15/2020 6:50 PM, Drew AF2Z wrote:
>>> I would use Coax Seal. Same idea as duct seal but it's more pliable,
>>> more wx resistant and a little stickier. It will last forever, never
>>> hardens and can be peeled off when needed. Might want to screw pl-259
>>> shells onto the socket threads first, then seal them. The sockets &
>>> shells will be pristine when you go to use them.
>> Don't forget to tighten the connector 1/4 turn after "finger tight" with
>> a pair of pliers to make a real seal.
>> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
>> Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402
>>> From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
>> Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Thu Jul 16 21:53:07 2020
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 18:53:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] CWT Calibration
In-Reply-To: <c5ef6e5c-0478-2ef7-e715-a4d15077df58@qrp4fun.de>
References: <1622182274.25646331.1594904659712.JavaMail.zimbra@embarqmail.com>
	<c5ef6e5c-0478-2ef7-e715-a4d15077df58@qrp4fun.de>
Message-ID: <a1f89a4f-7115-166c-9c3a-622af6a9b422@triconet.org>

Looks like 25 Hz per step to me.? I can hear 10 Hz delta at the beat note I 
prefer <450 Hz.

Wes? N7WS

On 7/16/2020 3:19 PM, Ingo Meyer, DK3RED wrote:
> Hi Wilson,
>
>
>> I have deduced that the bars in the CWT display are 25 Hz apart.
>> Does anyone know if that's right?
>
> Can you hear a 25 Hz pitch difference when it's hot on the short wave bands? 
> If so, congratulations! You can admit it if you used a frequency counter.
>
> In my opinion CWT is a very good tool to get close to another station quickly. 
> And no one realy no one has complained to me in a QSO so far that I was 25 Hz 
> away from his transmitting frequency.
>
>
> 73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
> www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de
> ______________________________________________________________ 


From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Jul 16 22:02:04 2020
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 22:02:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production _ Money UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <000001d65bd3$d53a4080$7faec180$@windstream.net>
References: <000001d65bd3$d53a4080$7faec180$@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <7BD0E45B-6B66-4C05-8697-225C282BDB9F@widomaker.com>

Yeah. I?m hoping they?ll start building and shipping K4s soon. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 16, 2020, at 8:53 PM, Dick Dickinson <softblue at windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> ?nr4c's use of the present tense indicates he is an optimist.
> 
> 
> As ever,
> Dick - KA5KKT
> 
> ________________________________________
> In this case it's a deposit. They are using the money. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> 
> 
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Jul 16 22:19:22 2020
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 19:19:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 in the IARU Contest Last weekend
In-Reply-To: <1112432867.1946999.1594946827260.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
References: <1112432867.1946999.1594946827260.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
Message-ID: <707c609a-0baa-f54f-da96-c2adf6606dfa@foothill.net>

They were around somewhat before the patent in several forms, and they 
were around in 1960, which is the last time I looked hence my estimate 
of 60 years.? Lots of other "balanced" antennas fed with open line were 
also in use commercially during that rough period, they too exhibited 
the same characteristic ... while carefully engineered to be balanced, 
RF currents in the two wires never were exactly balanced, which was the 
original and only point.

I still have an RF ammeter in my junk box, from some airborne WW2 radio 
I think.? It's probably an antique by now.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/16/2020 5:47 PM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
> Hi Skip,
>
> Conceptionally you're correct about rhombics and V-beams but your time 
> frame is way off.
>
> Edmond Bruce's?rhombic antenna patent was filed in 1931.
>
> www.aktuellum.com/mobile/circuits/antenna-patent 
> <https://www.aktuellum.com/mobile/circuits/antenna-patent/>
>
> ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=1685103 
> <https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=1685103>
>
> The heyday for the rhombic ran from the 1930s through the 1970s with
> the advent of satellite communications.? The 200 foot tower for my
> 40 meter stacked 3 element Yagis came from a decommissioned
> Laport Rhombic installed at the NSS receive site in Cheltenham MD.
> We removed it in 1985, but it hadn't been used for years.
>
> 73
> Frank
> W3
>


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Jul 16 22:31:02 2020
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 19:31:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers
In-Reply-To: <FEE25E31D78947989C19DA8B1667D6BD@OfficeDeskTop>
References: <CAEwXZzscp+_jtj96QmB3Dk44Ja7C2tVDTREynjp993GG6+GxpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20200715233950.jgpbcybbf3doiame@n0nb.us>
	<b30a4a79-466b-7226-56a3-8dbe92fd7625@hvc.rr.com>
	<3ed1659d-9d65-08de-625b-91b6d2dc679e@af2z.net>
	<cb9caa06-f495-ab2d-e6cd-ac17cc34fd34@kanafi.org>
	<4f1ab871-a8a3-3390-a232-88f32d58e587@horizon.co.fk>
	<FEE25E31D78947989C19DA8B1667D6BD@OfficeDeskTop>
Message-ID: <cd80a16a-1a34-2027-5613-aeabf524c00c@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/16/2020 2:25 PM, Gmail - George wrote:
> I don't ever recall that tightening a
> connector with pliers corrected these discontinuities. We solved the poorly
> made connectors by going to crimp style of connectors.

There is a very large difference in signal to noise ratios and operating 
power levels between an analog video production facility and a ham 
station. 30-40 dB SNR is great for that broadcast plant, and unless it's 
colocated with the transmitter, far less exposure to RF than a ham 
station running legal limit. In our ham stations, we may need 100 dB or 
more rejection of RF; the 60 dB difference translates to a 1,000,000:1 
power ratio and a 1,000:1 ration of voltage or current.

In addition to my own station, where I do a lot of serious contesting, 
I've long been part of teams that do serious county expeditions, and I 
read a lot to try to learn as much as possible from others who do it 
more, and at a higher level. Two admonitions from these folks who do it 
in the field stand out. 1) If anything is flaky in the station, ALWAYS 
suspect a bad piece of coax or badly terminated connector. 2) Always 
make sure that all connectors are wrench tight.

And I'll add my own -- NEVER use junk connectors or adapters anywhere in 
your station. For RF connectors, that means Amphenol (83-1SP w/no suffix 
for UHF) or used MIL-spec. For audio, that means Neutrik or Switchraft.

73, Jim K9YC

From norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 22:47:48 2020
From: norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com (Eric Norris)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 19:47:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD Coiled Cord?
Message-ID: <CAJSJeL0pbdf_Mbpu+gBU0euozEqB+n=_s0X01Qz1NsGxne=X0g@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone found a high-quality coiled cord to replace the K-POD to K4
cord?  Is there a length/type restriction?

73 Eric WD6DBM

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Jul 16 22:59:20 2020
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 19:59:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
In-Reply-To: <006101d65bbd$79a150d0$6ce3f270$@com>
References: <006101d65bbd$79a150d0$6ce3f270$@com>
Message-ID: <90a99d10-3463-0a4b-9a5a-cfc906ae3673@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/16/2020 3:07 PM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
> Things may be different in California but here in North Carolina I do not
> know of any manufacture or supplier that closed.

The impact of COVID has varied widely with geography and how each region 
(even a locality) relates to others. It also varies a LOT over time. 
Some regions that escaped outbreaks in the early months are getting hit 
now.

73, Jim K9YC

From dick at elecraft.com  Thu Jul 16 23:00:08 2020
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 20:00:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD Coiled Cord?
In-Reply-To: <CAJSJeL0pbdf_Mbpu+gBU0euozEqB+n=_s0X01Qz1NsGxne=X0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJSJeL0pbdf_Mbpu+gBU0euozEqB+n=_s0X01Qz1NsGxne=X0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FBFE228E-241A-4F69-8DD6-32ED79651ACB@elecraft.com>

It?s a standard USB-A to USB-B cable from K4 to K-Pod. I?m not sure about coiled...

73 de Dick, K6KR

> On Jul 16, 2020, at 19:50, Eric Norris <norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Has anyone found a high-quality coiled cord to replace the K-POD to K4
> cord?  Is there a length/type restriction?
> 
> 73 Eric WD6DBM
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Jul 16 23:01:35 2020
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 20:01:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
In-Reply-To: <CCA9D503-F1EF-46B2-A42B-251BE99EB226@icloud.com>
References: <CCA9D503-F1EF-46B2-A42B-251BE99EB226@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <51d7efde-4722-77df-ba02-0a55867bf4bd@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/16/2020 3:14 PM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
> Check your math.  World population is about 8 Billion.  Give everyone a Covid distance of two meters, or four square meters per person.  That gives us 32 billion square meters to socially distance the world population.  California is about 424 billion square meters.  Plenty of room for everybody!

Check your geography. Not all parts of the world (or of California) are 
habitable!

73, Jim K9YC

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Thu Jul 16 23:25:42 2020
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 20:25:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD Coiled Cord?
In-Reply-To: <CAJSJeL0pbdf_Mbpu+gBU0euozEqB+n=_s0X01Qz1NsGxne=X0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJSJeL0pbdf_Mbpu+gBU0euozEqB+n=_s0X01Qz1NsGxne=X0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6bb18af8-9fee-deb7-c20b-94fe1970a71c@triconet.org>

Who has a K4 to hook it to?

Wes? N7WS

On 7/16/2020 7:47 PM, Eric Norris wrote:
> Has anyone found a high-quality coiled cord to replace the K-POD to K4
> cord?  Is there a length/type restriction?
>
> 73 Eric WD6DBM


From Gary at ka1j.com  Thu Jul 16 23:36:42 2020
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 23:36:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
In-Reply-To: <CADkB6UqTe_9nFPN_J+8DL85v5ZKLRKKQ5zub_wqifPWTRVQQVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGAru0_HHfRTVRdSs439xfYUxqf4C1N_GrxMokZpieL64Cc1Og@mail.gmail.com>,
	<beaf02d2-f44a-c7f4-8892-f21de1a67ad3@foothill.net>,
	<CADkB6UqTe_9nFPN_J+8DL85v5ZKLRKKQ5zub_wqifPWTRVQQVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5F111CCA.25850.5D5F1A07@Gary.ka1j.com>

I'm always bemused when a completely 
unexpected series of profoundly affecting 
variables, none of which are from internal 
causes, make themselves a factor in 
development and construction, appear and 
globally interfere with design, 
production, and supply. This fluid state 
appears while a specific completion date 
and time was never assured of, & in 
subsequent conversations with advance 
purchasers. 

As there was never a promised date, there 
is a Pandemic where over 100,000 people in 
the USA alone have already died, 
Manufacturing globally has taken a real 
hit, transportation has taken a major 
blow. I had a USPS 2 day package shipped 
from Michigan on Sat 11 and it is nor the 
16th & tracking shows it just left 
Michigan on route to CT. It may be here on 
Saturday. That'll be a 6 day delivery with 
a 2 day promise. That same kind of delay 
is happening to the construction of the K4 
and any new components are also affected 
in this way. There is no other choice and 
I want it And I want It Now pressure 
doesn't do anything but waste everyone's 
time. It has zero rate on accelerating 
production and if anything, detracts from 
the focus from the principals.

All this takes me back to the bemusement I 
get when reading such comments. Do they 
really believe in this arena it will move 
anything along faster, and if the company 
indeed did rush to complete while not 
having sufficient components in, on time, 
that it would behove the production run in 
any way whatsoever? 

Good friends, chill, this is an 
unprecedented time and Elecraft is moving 
along in the best way to give the best 
product they can do. We'll have our little 
beauties when they're vetted and 
competent. Till then, chill, practice some 
CW Check the antenna connections stop 
thinking of it should have been here by 
now, because it was never promised to be 
here by now. Things are moving forward 
nicely. 

And yes, I dropped the full deposit for a 
K4D and am aware I'll have to wait for the 
HD module to be created. I'm, metal 
detecting, digitizing my stereo collection 
and enjoying the Yamaha on nice days. 
Elecraft is doing their job, and I'm doing 
mine.

73,

Gary
KA1J





> Given lead times, if the Dec/Jan ship date was not BS, then parts
> would already have already been in transit before primary covid
> impacts were in place. OK, that was missed.
> 
> I understand these are not normal times. And I live in Santa Clara
> County, understand current density and watch county #s (and Health
> Orders being ignored by the public).
> 
> That they aren't shipping on time now seems most immediately
> attributable to covid, agreed. That this is the case is seems a result
> of either failure to deliver or failure to honestly communicate last
> year.
> 
> We're now reaching the window of the most recent round of delivery
> promises, yet I don't know anyone, including those who fronted cash a
> year ago on a Nov date, who has even gotten final pricing yet.
> 
> Hence my frustration. I not only am impatient about getting the Shiny
> (surprise), I feel deceived about how it has been handled by someone
> sitting on thousands of dollars of my cash.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 10:47 AM Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > Say again?  The virus began in Asia [Wuhan China to be exact] at the
> > very end of 2019.  Many of the parts that Elecraft and every other
> > manufacturer uses are sourced out of Asia.  Everyones' supply chains
> > are disrupted now but slowly improving.
> >
> > Elecraft is based in California.  The population density in
> > California is high ... high enough that if everyone stood 1 meter
> > from everyone else, some would be standing in Nevada and some in the
> > Pacific Ocean. [:=)  From the news that leaks over the Sierra Nevada
> > to Sparks, Elecraft is really working to both resume normal
> > production AND protect their employees and families so they can
> > continue normal production.
> >
> > 73,
> > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> > Sparks NV DM09dn
> > Washoe County
> >
> > On 7/16/2020 10:20 AM, Tox wrote:
> > > The parts availability issue was supposed to have been resolved
> > pre-covid.
> > > Wondering what the facts are.
> > > (not griefing you, just frustrated by Nov,Dec/Jan,Mar/Apr,Jul/Aug
> > >   string-along)
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> >
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Jul 16 23:37:50 2020
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 23:37:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD Coiled Cord?
In-Reply-To: <6bb18af8-9fee-deb7-c20b-94fe1970a71c@triconet.org>
References: <6bb18af8-9fee-deb7-c20b-94fe1970a71c@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <3DFC1305-3314-4B98-9F1D-2094ACF065B7@widomaker.com>

Field Testers!

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 16, 2020, at 11:27 PM, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Who has a K4 to hook it to?
> 
> Wes  N7WS
> 
>> On 7/16/2020 7:47 PM, Eric Norris wrote:
>> Has anyone found a high-quality coiled cord to replace the K-POD to K4
>> cord?  Is there a length/type restriction?
>> 
>> 73 Eric WD6DBM
> 
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From norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 23:41:29 2020
From: norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com (Eric Norris)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 20:41:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD Coiled Cord?
In-Reply-To: <FBFE228E-241A-4F69-8DD6-32ED79651ACB@elecraft.com>
References: <CAJSJeL0pbdf_Mbpu+gBU0euozEqB+n=_s0X01Qz1NsGxne=X0g@mail.gmail.com>
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Sorry, I mean not the USB cord, but the telephone-cable-like cord that goes
under the right front on the K3, and I assume K4.

73 Eric WD6DBM

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 8:00 PM Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com> wrote:

> It?s a standard USB-A to USB-B cable from K4 to K-Pod. I?m not sure about
> coiled...
>
> 73 de Dick, K6KR
>
> > On Jul 16, 2020, at 19:50, Eric Norris <norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Has anyone found a high-quality coiled cord to replace the K-POD to K4
> > cord?  Is there a length/type restriction?
> >
> > 73 Eric WD6DBM
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Jul 16 23:49:35 2020
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 20:49:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
In-Reply-To: <5F111CCA.25850.5D5F1A07@Gary.ka1j.com>
References: <CAGAru0_HHfRTVRdSs439xfYUxqf4C1N_GrxMokZpieL64Cc1Og@mail.gmail.com>
	<beaf02d2-f44a-c7f4-8892-f21de1a67ad3@foothill.net>
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Great post, Gary.

73, Jim K9YC

On 7/16/2020 8:36 PM, Gary Smith wrote:
> I'm always bemused when a completely
> unexpected series of profoundly affecting
> variables, none of which are from internal
> causes, make themselves a factor in
> development and construction, appear and
> globally interfere with design,
> production, and supply. This fluid state
> appears while a specific completion date
> and time was never assured of, & in
> subsequent conversations with advance
> purchasers.


From dick at elecraft.com  Thu Jul 16 23:53:07 2020
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 20:53:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD Coiled Cord?
In-Reply-To: <CAJSJeL07GskY3qTVBPZVgwwc9L3XqeydXqBDAUws0rc97G_x2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJSJeL07GskY3qTVBPZVgwwc9L3XqeydXqBDAUws0rc97G_x2A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F0007AEB-CC67-481D-B2FD-D07E200BC416@elecraft.com>

The K4 uses a USB cable to the K-Pod rather than the telephone like cable used with K3.  There are USB-A jacks on K4 front and back, not underneath like the K3.

73 de Dick, K6KR

> On Jul 16, 2020, at 20:41, Eric Norris <norrislawfirm2 at gm
> ?
> Sorry, I mean not the USB cord, but the telephone-cable-like cord that goes under the right front on the K3, and I assume K4.
> 
> 73 Eric WD6DBM
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 8:00 PM Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com> wrote:
>> It?s a standard USB-A to USB-B cable from K4 to K-Pod. I?m not sure about coiled...
>> 
>> 73 de Dick, K6KR
>> 
>> > On Jul 16, 2020, at 19:50, Eric Norris <norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> > ?Has anyone found a high-quality coiled cord to replace the K-POD to K4
>> > cord?  Is there a length/type restriction?
>> > 
>> > 73 Eric WD6DBM
>> > ______________________________________________________________
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From ktalbott at gamewood.net  Fri Jul 17 00:27:53 2020
From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (ktalbott at gamewood.net)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 00:27:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] CWT Calibration
In-Reply-To: <c5ef6e5c-0478-2ef7-e715-a4d15077df58@qrp4fun.de>
References: <1622182274.25646331.1594904659712.JavaMail.zimbra@embarqmail.com>
	<c5ef6e5c-0478-2ef7-e715-a4d15077df58@qrp4fun.de>
Message-ID: <002d01d65bf2$a46f0200$ed4d0600$@gamewood.net>

I use CWT to ensure that I do NOT zero beat the caller.  I want my signal to
be at a tone noticeably above or below that of everyone else (very important
to QRP op in a pileup). I haven't tried to quantify the hz/bar, I simply
tune to around 5 ticks away and it seems to work well.

Ken ke4rg

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Ingo Meyer, DK3RED
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 6:19 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CWT Calibration

Hi Wilson,


> I have deduced that the bars in the CWT display are 25 Hz apart.
> Does anyone know if that's right?

Can you hear a 25 Hz pitch difference when it's hot on the short wave bands?
If so, congratulations! You can admit it if you used a frequency counter.

In my opinion CWT is a very good tool to get close to another station
quickly. And no one realy no one has complained to me in a QSO so far that I
was 25 Hz away from his transmitting frequency.


73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de
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From rick.nk7i at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 00:43:36 2020
From: rick.nk7i at gmail.com (Rick NK7I)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 21:43:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] CWT Calibration
In-Reply-To: <002d01d65bf2$a46f0200$ed4d0600$@gamewood.net>
References: <1622182274.25646331.1594904659712.JavaMail.zimbra@embarqmail.com>
	<c5ef6e5c-0478-2ef7-e715-a4d15077df58@qrp4fun.de>
	<002d01d65bf2$a46f0200$ed4d0600$@gamewood.net>
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On the presumption of a worst case (for me) simplex receiver condition 
for the other station, them filtered down to 50 Hz; I use XIT to not be 
zero beat (which used to be expected once upon a time) with no greater 
than 25 Hz offset (stay within that 50 Hz filter).? Then one must only 
look (P3) at the station the DX is currently working to see if plus or 
minus 25 Hz should be used.

Then watch patterns, does the other station move the receiver at all, 
switch plus for minus... is there a pattern?? (Random, never is).? 
Paying attention to details means easier success rates.? ;-)

If split, use the same observations, but turn off XIT and use the other 
VFO for TX (allowing you to hear the station being worked as well).? 
EVERY operator has a pattern, humans are just wired for consistency.? 
Find it, predict it, make that contact.

73,
Rick NK7I dit dit

On 7/16/2020 9:27 PM, ktalbott at gamewood.net wrote:
> I use CWT to ensure that I do NOT zero beat the caller.  I want my signal to
> be at a tone noticeably above or below that of everyone else (very important
> to QRP op in a pileup). I haven't tried to quantify the hz/bar, I simply
> tune to around 5 ticks away and it seems to work well.
>
> Ken ke4rg
>

From wa8jxm at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 00:57:00 2020
From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken WA8JXM)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 00:57:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
In-Reply-To: <1253153287.2481710.1594939908431@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29688181A41DD2DF2DF4D1228C7E0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAABDLm3M9UFMBX2GPp=UC7sUHhwEno6FJvLZreMOx-f55DnSQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<6514387d-1191-0f16-d471-89cf98d3a640@david-woolley.me.uk>
	<1253153287.2481710.1594939908431@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAABDLm2AEmXfE8GmUVELUt0cp_JHFU1Q-5AGr48VpsgGe6fqbw@mail.gmail.com>

So pruning a horizontal dipole will never provide a 1:1 SWR except at 0.18
wavelength above ground (the ONLY elevation where the radiation resistance
is 50 ohms)?  About 97 ft for 160m, 24 ft for 40m, 6 ft for 10m?  A dipole
a half wave above ground has a 70 ohm radiation resistance and therefore a
1.4:1 SWR is the absolute best?

Ken WA8JXM

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 6:52 PM John Magliacane via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

>  On 15/07/2020 20:30, Ken WA8JXM wrote:
>
> > Conversely, a non-resonant antenna can have a 1:1 SWR.
>
> On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 03:33:12 AM EDT, David Woolley <
> forums at david-woolley.me.uk> wrote:
>
> > You can only have a 1:1 SWR at a single impedance. If the design
> > impedance is purely resistive, that means you can only have 1:1 for a
> > resistive and therefore on-resonance load (or one that can be treated as
> > having no reactive behaviour at the frequencies of interest - e.g. an
> > ideal dummy load).
>
> I agree completely, but there's a "catch".
>
> Traveling-wave antennas, such as Rhombics, or Beverages, or leaky
> transmission lines, are, technically, non-resonant. However, they can each
> present a 50 ohm feedpoint impedance that is purely resistive, and produce
> a 1:1 VSWR as a result. ;-)
>
> So, whether an antenna is resonant or non-resonant isn't the issue. The
> issue is whether or not a load impedance contains a reactive component. If
> it DOES, then it can never produce a 1:1 VSWR.
>
>
> 73 de John, KD2BD
>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Jul 17 01:27:47 2020
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 22:27:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
In-Reply-To: <CAABDLm2AEmXfE8GmUVELUt0cp_JHFU1Q-5AGr48VpsgGe6fqbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29688181A41DD2DF2DF4D1228C7E0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAABDLm3M9UFMBX2GPp=UC7sUHhwEno6FJvLZreMOx-f55DnSQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<6514387d-1191-0f16-d471-89cf98d3a640@david-woolley.me.uk>
	<1253153287.2481710.1594939908431@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CAABDLm2AEmXfE8GmUVELUt0cp_JHFU1Q-5AGr48VpsgGe6fqbw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3a5b88d3-f194-0b9d-aed1-9693a19d19c0@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/16/2020 9:57 PM, Ken WA8JXM wrote:
> So pruning a horizontal dipole will never provide a 1:1 SWR except at 0.18
> wavelength above ground (the ONLY elevation where the radiation resistance
> is 50 ohms)?  About 97 ft for 160m, 24 ft for 40m, 6 ft for 10m?  A dipole
> a half wave above ground has a 70 ohm radiation resistance and therefore a
> 1.4:1 SWR is the absolute best?

No, it's FAR more complex than that. Horizontal antennas see the 
reflection from the earth as a parasitic element, which adds a complex 
impedance to the equivalent circuit. The reflection, and thus the 
parasitic impedance, will depend on height above ground, the skin depth 
of the earth, and the electrical qualities of the soil.

The ON4UN book, "Low Band DXing," includes a set of very interesting 
plots of antenna impedance as a function of height and soil quality. In 
general, the feedpoint Z of low dipoles oscillates as height varies, 
with the average near 50 ohms, while high dipoles oscillate around 70-80 
ohms. It's easy to see this in the very simple NEC model of a center-fed 
dipole (the model is a wire with a generator in the center of it) by 
varying the height and the soil parameters.

My dipoles for 40 and 80M are up about 125 ft in tall trees, and I have 
lousy soil. The model predicts Z at resonance in the range of 85 ohms, 
and I've measured 88 ohms. I feed them with RG11. Some years ago, I was 
planning antennas for a CQP county expedition in a spot that has scrub 
trees (max rigging height ~40 ft) and lousy soil, but is on a small 
knoll, so the takeoff angle is great. NEC predicted 75 ohms for one of 
them and 50 ohms for the other, so we carried RG8 for one and RG11 for 
the other. When we measured them, they turned out as the NEC model 
predicted.

There are computational tools and instrumentation that one can learn a 
lot from if we use them to study stuff like this. NEC is one of them.

73, Jim K9YC

From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 03:04:55 2020
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 10:04:55 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 in the IARU Contest Last weekend
In-Reply-To: <639b78c5-c34e-8ecc-3673-1e5ab7391cae@foothill.net>
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	<601787d0-e7a2-66cd-be2a-95d1711f5dd9@gmail.com>
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I took great care in the construction of my rotary dipole and feed 
system to make it as balanced as possible. I made a clamp-on device from 
a split ferrite bead that I can use to measure the relative currents in 
the open line conductors, and they are very close.

There is one direction in which there is measurable unbalance due to a 
nearby object, but unfortunately this is also the direction of my major 
source of noise, another building 100m away, so it's not possible to 
tell whether the unbalance contributes to the noise or not.

Someone else said that balanced lines don't reject common mode noise. 
It's true that common mode noise currents can flow on the feedline, but 
they are rejected by the balanced link-coupled tuner at the transmitter end.

I unfortunately don't have a choked coax-fed dipole to compare it to, 
but it is much quieter than the previous antenna, a coax-fed multiband 
vertical. And it is also a far better transmitting antenna.

Let's hear it for 1930s technology!

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
.
On 17/07/2020 0:41, Fred Jensen wrote:
> Indeed!  Probably the least unbalanced of "balanced" antenna systems
>  that ever existed were the HF point-to-point rhombics and V-beams at
> the RCA, Mackay, and Marconi shore stations in the first 60 or so
> years of the 20th century.  Despite very precise engineering to make
> them balanced, the RF currents in each side of the open feeders were
> never exactly the same.
> 
> As a teenage ham, I tended to think in absolutes and exactitudes. If
> my Heath MM-1 multimeter said the screen voltage was 176.5 V, I
> believed it was, exactly, and if the spec said 177.5 V, I needed to
> do something to "fix" it.  If the ARRL Handbook said the two halves
> of my 40 meter dipole needed to be exactly 32.9114 feet, I believed
> that the antenna would not work if I didn't assure my dipole was
> exactly 32.9114 on each side.  As I grew older, both in age and ham
> longevity, I realized my Elmer was right when reminded me on multiple
> occasions, "We're amateurs.  Most often, 'close' is good enough."
> 
> Seems like many today are convinced that 32.9114 ft will work but 
> 32.9000 ft won't.
> 
> 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County
> 
> On 7/16/2020 1:00 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>> On 7/16/2020 1:14 AM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote:
>>> If the antenna is well-balanced and fed via a true balanced
>>> antenna tuner (preferably link-coupled) then there shouldn't be a
>>> problem with common mode currents.
>> 
>> Few ham antennas are perfectly balanced -- they are often
>> unbalanced by their surroundings. For example, ground slope,
>> unequal heights of the two halves, other conductors around the
>> antenna, even vegetation. And yes, all elements of the antenna
>> system, including the feedline, the antenna, and matching at both
>> ends, contribute to the balance of the SYSTEM.
>> 
>> THAT'S why it's wrong to talk about "balanced line," using
>> "parallel wire" or 2-wire" line instead.
>> 
>> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 03:22:10 2020
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 10:22:10 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Using Yaesu Quadra VL-1000 with K3/ ALC?
In-Reply-To: <088b90d2-fcd2-2b16-2337-895f588c8ca7@subich.com>
References: <CAHh=7imts4c84FFcVA52NeUwGwh3QobvTTuNkf_HYaNAxcEm6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<088b90d2-fcd2-2b16-2337-895f588c8ca7@subich.com>
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ALC is not needed if you set the K3 to 60w (or whatever the appropriate 
drive is for each band) using the K3's per-band option.

Using ALC to control the drive will also introduce distortion.

The only disadvantage of the per-band power setting is that if you want 
to run more than 60w when you operate barefoot, you have to remember to 
turn it back down when you want to use the amp. This is automatic with 
the KPA500 and 1500, but not with a non-Elecraft amp.

I once created a macro which would set the power and activate one of the 
K3's digital outputs, which I used to control a relay that switched an 
amp in line. That worked. But now I just run 60 or 70w when I'm 
barefoot. There isn't that much difference from the full 100w.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
.
On 17/07/2020 3:48, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> 
>> Is it necessary?
> 
> Yes.  The Quadra produces is rated 1000 W output with approximately 
> 60W drive.  The K3 will overdrive it resulting in splatter/IMD and 
> potential damage to the transistors.
> 
> 73,
> 
> ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
> On 2020-07-16 7:25 PM, Dean L wrote:
>> I'm working on a Yaesu VL1000 for a friend and wondering if
>> anybody's had experience setting up ALC with the K3 and the
>> VL1000? Is it necessary? I'm not much of a QRO guy as you can
>> probably tell.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for your help 73
>> 
>> Dean K2WW
> 
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Fri Jul 17 04:42:42 2020
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 04:42:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD Coiled Cord?
In-Reply-To: <F0007AEB-CC67-481D-B2FD-D07E200BC416@elecraft.com>
References: <F0007AEB-CC67-481D-B2FD-D07E200BC416@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CFB81A81-FFB1-426B-BB94-4886EAEC4022@widomaker.com>

It will fit our existing K-Pods??

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 16, 2020, at 11:56 PM, Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> ?The K4 uses a USB cable to the K-Pod rather than the telephone like cable used with K3.  There are USB-A jacks on K4 front and back, not underneath like the K3.
> 
> 73 de Dick, K6KR
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2020, at 20:41, Eric Norris <norrislawfirm2 at gm
>> ?
>> Sorry, I mean not the USB cord, but the telephone-cable-like cord that goes under the right front on the K3, and I assume K4.
>> 
>> 73 Eric WD6DBM
>> 
>>>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 8:00 PM Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>> It?s a standard USB-A to USB-B cable from K4 to K-Pod. I?m not sure about coiled...
>>> 
>>> 73 de Dick, K6KR
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 16, 2020, at 19:50, Eric Norris <norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Has anyone found a high-quality coiled cord to replace the K-POD to K4
>>>> cord?  Is there a length/type restriction?
>>>> 
>>>> 73 Eric WD6DBM
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From g4vrr57 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 06:04:32 2020
From: g4vrr57 at gmail.com (Steve Gray)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 03:04:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers
In-Reply-To: <c154896f-dd68-8e79-a826-0668a52caec5@socket.net>
References: <CAEwXZzscp+_jtj96QmB3Dk44Ja7C2tVDTREynjp993GG6+GxpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20200715233950.jgpbcybbf3doiame@n0nb.us>
	<b30a4a79-466b-7226-56a3-8dbe92fd7625@hvc.rr.com>
	<3ed1659d-9d65-08de-625b-91b6d2dc679e@af2z.net>
	<cb9caa06-f495-ab2d-e6cd-ac17cc34fd34@kanafi.org>
	<4f1ab871-a8a3-3390-a232-88f32d58e587@horizon.co.fk>
	<c154896f-dd68-8e79-a826-0668a52caec5@socket.net>
Message-ID: <1594980272140-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

I use "Plasticene" (maybe known as modelling clay?)
In my experience it never hardens, it is waterproof and easy to remove. I
used to use the orange tapered vinyl boots that were used on mineral
insulated "Pyro" cable over the top since they are a great seal over PL259s
but I have used up my stock. I make sure that the cable is not free to flap
around and "Plasticene" does the job.

If there's only two "teeth" on the PL259 connector then I frequently file
them off and ignore the slight plating loss. I cover the threads with a
mixture of zinc and Vaseline anyway. This is a concoction that we used to
use at work (in a loosely aerospace related company) to facilitate riveted
ground points on galley structures prior to Meggar tests, but that process
fell into disuse. It came about because the guys were using heatsink
compound until I arrived and pointed out their error!  I still use the zinc
and Vaseline on threads though because it lubricates and the zinc helps
conductivity a little, but my stock has all but gone.

Steve, G4VRR.



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From d.cutter at ntlworld.com  Fri Jul 17 06:39:58 2020
From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (CUTTER DAVID)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 11:39:58 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 in the IARU Contest Last weekend
In-Reply-To: <707c609a-0baa-f54f-da96-c2adf6606dfa@foothill.net>
References: <1112432867.1946999.1594946827260.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
	<707c609a-0baa-f54f-da96-c2adf6606dfa@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <1442493684.392933.1594982398442@mail2.virginmedia.com>

Skip

Was any attempt made to redress the imbalance?

David G3UNA

> On 17 July 2020 at 03:19 Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net mailto:k6dgw at foothill.net > wrote:
> 
> 
>     They were around somewhat before the patent in several forms, and they
>     were around in 1960, which is the last time I looked hence my estimate
>     of 60 years.  Lots of other "balanced" antennas fed with open line were
>     also in use commercially during that rough period, they too exhibited
>     the same characteristic ... while carefully engineered to be balanced,
>     RF currents in the two wires never were exactly balanced, which was the
>     original and only point.
> 
>     I still have an RF ammeter in my junk box, from some airborne WW2 radio
>     I think.  It's probably an antique by now.
> 
>     73,
>     Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>     Sparks NV DM09dn
>     Washoe County
> 
>     On 7/16/2020 5:47 PM, donovanf at starpower.net mailto:donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
> 
>         > > Hi Skip,
> > 
> >         Conceptionally you're correct about rhombics and V-beams but your time
> >         frame is way off.
> > 
> >         Edmond Bruce's rhombic antenna patent was filed in 1931.
> > 
> >         www.aktuellum.com/mobile/circuits/antenna-patent
> >         <https://www.aktuellum.com/mobile/circuits/antenna-patent/>
> > 
> >         ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=1685103
> >         <https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=1685103>
> > 
> >         The heyday for the rhombic ran from the 1930s through the 1970s with
> >         the advent of satellite communications.  The 200 foot tower for my
> >         40 meter stacked 3 element Yagis came from a decommissioned
> >         Laport Rhombic installed at the NSS receive site in Cheltenham MD.
> >         We removed it in 1985, but it hadn't been used for years.
> > 
> >         73
> >         Frank
> >         W3
> > 
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From robert.calver2 at btinternet.com  Fri Jul 17 07:59:51 2020
From: robert.calver2 at btinternet.com (Robert Calver)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 12:59:51 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Brilliant Help
Message-ID: <D88FDDF3-639D-40A7-BF3C-656DC7BA61EC@btinternet.com>


Guys
Just wanted to say how much I appreciated the help of Don after I killed the PA and bias transistors on my K2 recently. 
Unexpected, but Elecraft (Don in this case) was right on the case with years of experience on tap, a real guy, not some software query guessing service - don?t you love em!
 From here in the UK it?s hard to find companies that give a damn once they have your money!
Reading about how Covid is hitting the supply and delivery of good old Elecraft, though frustrating if you?re in a queue ( which I?m not) at least they seem to genuinely have the customers back.
So stay safe guys, keep cool and do all those jobs your other half has on his/her list. When the kit arrives you will have weeks of ?brownie points? stored up which equal zero guilt radio operation.
73
Bob
G4JGX



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From 73.de.ne1ee at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 08:04:53 2020
From: 73.de.ne1ee at gmail.com (Rich NE1EE)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 08:04:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
In-Reply-To: <51d7efde-4722-77df-ba02-0a55867bf4bd@audiosystemsgroup.com
 >
References: <CCA9D503-F1EF-46B2-A42B-251BE99EB226@icloud.com>
	<51d7efde-4722-77df-ba02-0a55867bf4bd@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <5f11977e.1c69fb81.8b719.5e9b@mx.google.com>

I'm sure that it varies by location and industry. I have spoken to several businesses who report they are behind due to supply chain interruptions and delays.

I see that I need to change my habits for this mailer...I have a habit of hitting reply, and twice now I have sent private messages when I meant to reply to the group...

~R~
72/73 de Rich NE1EE
On the banks of the Piscataqua


On 2020-07-16 20:01:-0700, Jim Brown wrote:
>On 7/16/2020 3:14 PM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
>>Check your math.  World population is about 8 Billion.  Give everyone a Covid distance of two meters, or four square meters per person.  That gives us 32 billion square meters to socially distance the world population.  California is about 424 billion square meters.  Plenty of room for everybody!
>
>Check your geography. Not all parts of the world (or of California) are habitable!
>
>73, Jim K9YC


From john at kk9a.com  Fri Jul 17 08:59:55 2020
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:59:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Using Yaesu Quadra VL-1000 with K3/ ALC?
Message-ID: <20200717075955.Horde.hYU5CukHMaeZzp9GF1qlqUX@www11.qth.com>

Every amp that I use I would overdrive with the Elecraft set at 100  
watts. I am not familiar with the Quadra, I typically adjust the PWR  
(power output) control to the desired wattage and have not had an  
issue with any that that I have used. I see a lot of talk about using  
ALC on the SPE Expert amp list. I have not used this brand and do not  
why ALC appears to be recommend for them.  I have not connected an ALC  
cable in decades.

John KK9A


Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

  > Is it necessary?

Yes.  The Quadra produces is rated 1000 W output with approximately
60W drive.  The K3 will overdrive it resulting in splatter/IMD and
potential damage to the transistors.

73,

     ... Joe, W4TV


On 2020-07-16 7:25 PM, Dean L wrote:
> I'm working on a Yaesu VL1000 for a friend and wondering if anybody's had
> experience setting up ALC with the K3 and the VL1000?
> Is it necessary?
> I'm not much of a QRO guy as you can probably tell.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help 73
>
> Dean K2WW


From n4lg at qx.net  Fri Jul 17 09:20:34 2020
From: n4lg at qx.net (Bill Cotter)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 09:20:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Convert a KXUSBa cable to KUSB
Message-ID: <mailman.132.1594992046.3112.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Somehow in the entropy of the universe and my cluttered shack/shop, 
I have managed to lose my KUSB cable for my K3. I found the earlier 
(silver) cable, but it doesn't have the FTDI chip and won't work 
with Win-10. In the process of searching for the KUSB I have 
managed to unearth two KXUSBa cables for my KX3.

Since I don't need two KXUSB cables, I am contemplating cutting off 
the mini phone plug and wiring up a DB-15. Has anyone done this? 
And, anyone see a downside?

Thanks es 73 Bill N4LG


From wa2lbi at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 09:26:05 2020
From: wa2lbi at gmail.com (Ken Winterling)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 09:26:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Convert a KXUSBa cable to KUSB
In-Reply-To: <20200717132134.5349B149B361@mail.qsl.net>
References: <20200717132134.5349B149B361@mail.qsl.net>
Message-ID: <CALK4bwgHXWF2+-d=2E=gFtH3TZYyE1D08-z260JPEtnSP5fTEw@mail.gmail.com>

Bill,

I haven't looked into the electronic validity of what you are asking but I
would recommend building an adapter with a female jack and DB-15 vs cutting
off a working connector.

Ken
WA2LBI



On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 9:21 AM Bill Cotter <n4lg at qx.net> wrote:

> Somehow in the entropy of the universe and my cluttered shack/shop,
> I have managed to lose my KUSB cable for my K3. I found the earlier
> (silver) cable, but it doesn't have the FTDI chip and won't work
> with Win-10. In the process of searching for the KUSB I have
> managed to unearth two KXUSBa cables for my KX3.
>
> Since I don't need two KXUSB cables, I am contemplating cutting off
> the mini phone plug and wiring up a DB-15. Has anyone done this?
> And, anyone see a downside?
>
> Thanks es 73 Bill N4LG
>
>
>

From lists at subich.com  Fri Jul 17 09:30:13 2020
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 09:30:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Using Yaesu Quadra VL-1000 with K3/ ALC?
In-Reply-To: <20200717075955.Horde.hYU5CukHMaeZzp9GF1qlqUX@www11.qth.com>
References: <20200717075955.Horde.hYU5CukHMaeZzp9GF1qlqUX@www11.qth.com>
Message-ID: <56001333-c329-5014-b17f-db07f094c7d3@subich.com>


*IF* the user can remember to turn the exciter power level down before
turning on the amplifier, ALC is not necessary.  However, it remains the
only failsafe way to prevent damage to the amplifier from sustained
overdrive. Given the cost of replacing transistors in the amplifiers,
I would certainly implement ALC with any amplifier (unless, of course,
it could automatically set exciter power level as the KPA500 or KPA1500
with the K3/K3S).

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2020-07-17 8:59 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
> Every amp that I use I would overdrive with the Elecraft set at 100 
> watts. I am not familiar with the Quadra, I typically adjust the PWR 
> (power output) control to the desired wattage and have not had an issue 
> with any that that I have used. I see a lot of talk about using ALC on 
> the SPE Expert amp list. I have not used this brand and do not why ALC 
> appears to be recommend for them.? I have not connected an ALC cable in 
> decades.
> 
> John KK9A
> 
> 
> Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> 
>  ?> Is it necessary?
> 
> Yes.? The Quadra produces is rated 1000 W output with approximately
> 60W drive.? The K3 will overdrive it resulting in splatter/IMD and
> potential damage to the transistors.
> 
> 73,
> 
>  ??? ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
> On 2020-07-16 7:25 PM, Dean L wrote:
>> I'm working on a Yaesu VL1000 for a friend and wondering if anybody's had
>> experience setting up ALC with the K3 and the VL1000?
>> Is it necessary?
>> I'm not much of a QRO guy as you can probably tell.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your help 73
>>
>> Dean K2WW
> 


From infomet at embarqmail.com  Fri Jul 17 09:30:26 2020
From: infomet at embarqmail.com (Wilson Lamb)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 09:30:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] CWT Calibration
Message-ID: <1202536894.26291182.1594992626308.JavaMail.zimbra@embarqmail.com>

Not an operating question.
Didn't use a counter...was actually trying an old BC-221 frequency meter and wanted a quick indicator of drift.
I made my estimate using the Pitch setting...changing pitch and retuning.
Also moved signal and retuned to return CWT to middle, then read freq increment from display.
WL

From ny9h at arrl.net  Fri Jul 17 09:45:07 2020
From: ny9h at arrl.net (Bill Steffey NY9H)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 09:45:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Convert a KXUSBa cable to KUSB
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On 7/17/2020 9:20 AM, Bill Cotter wrote:
> Somehow in the entropy of the universe and my cluttered shack/shop, I 
> have managed to lose my KUSB cable for my K3. I found the earlier 
> (silver) cable, but it doesn't have the FTDI chip and won't work with 
> Win-10. In the process of searching for the KUSB I have managed to 
> unearth two KXUSBa cables for my KX3.
>
> Since I don't need two KXUSB cables, I am contemplating cutting off 
> the mini phone plug and wiring up a DB-15. Has anyone done this? And, 
> anyone see a downside?
>
> Thanks es 73 Bill N4LG
>
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From ny9h at arrl.net  Fri Jul 17 09:46:19 2020
From: ny9h at arrl.net (Bill Steffey NY9H)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 09:46:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Convert a KXUSBa cable to KUSB
In-Reply-To: <20200717132126.45134149B372@mail.qsl.net>
References: <20200717132126.45134149B372@mail.qsl.net>
Message-ID: <a44cb177-a454-b77d-ac8b-1aca053838fd@arrl.net>

db 15? or db9 ( DE9)


On 7/17/2020 9:20 AM, Bill Cotter wrote:
> Somehow in the entropy of the universe and my cluttered shack/shop, I 
> have managed to lose my KUSB cable for my K3. I found the earlier 
> (silver) cable, but it doesn't have the FTDI chip and won't work with 
> Win-10. In the process of searching for the KUSB I have managed to 
> unearth two KXUSBa cables for my KX3.
>
> Since I don't need two KXUSB cables, I am contemplating cutting off 
> the mini phone plug and wiring up a DB-15. Has anyone done this? And, 
> anyone see a downside?
>
> Thanks es 73 Bill N4LG
>
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From dick at elecraft.com  Fri Jul 17 10:08:28 2020
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:08:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD Coiled Cord?
In-Reply-To: <CFB81A81-FFB1-426B-BB94-4886EAEC4022@widomaker.com>
References: <F0007AEB-CC67-481D-B2FD-D07E200BC416@elecraft.com>
	<CFB81A81-FFB1-426B-BB94-4886EAEC4022@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <001d01d65c43$bf010e50$3d032af0$@elecraft.com>

My K-Pod, an early one, has a rear-panel USB-B connector labeled "USB", used to install K-Pod firmware and also for a K4 connection. K-Pod DC power is also provided through this cable.

I use a very standard USB A to B cable.

73 de Dick, K6KR

-----Original Message-----
From: Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> 
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 01:43
To: Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com>
Cc: Eric Norris <norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com>; elecraft at mailman qth. net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-POD Coiled Cord?

It will fit our existing K-Pods??

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 16, 2020, at 11:56 PM, Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> ?The K4 uses a USB cable to the K-Pod rather than the telephone like cable used with K3.  There are USB-A jacks on K4 front and back, not underneath like the K3.
> 
> 73 de Dick, K6KR
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2020, at 20:41, Eric Norris <norrislawfirm2 at gm ? Sorry, I 
>> mean not the USB cord, but the telephone-cable-like cord that goes under the right front on the K3, and I assume K4.
>> 
>> 73 Eric WD6DBM
>> 
>>>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 8:00 PM Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>> It?s a standard USB-A to USB-B cable from K4 to K-Pod. I?m not sure about coiled...
>>> 
>>> 73 de Dick, K6KR
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 16, 2020, at 19:50, Eric Norris <norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Has anyone found a high-quality coiled cord to replace the K-POD 
>>>> to K4 cord?  Is there a length/type restriction?
>>>> 
>>>> 73 Eric WD6DBM
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From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Fri Jul 17 10:23:06 2020
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 14:23:06 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD Coiled Cord?
In-Reply-To: <FBFE228E-241A-4F69-8DD6-32ED79651ACB@elecraft.com>
References: <CAJSJeL0pbdf_Mbpu+gBU0euozEqB+n=_s0X01Qz1NsGxne=X0g@mail.gmail.com>,
	<FBFE228E-241A-4F69-8DD6-32ED79651ACB@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR11MB4476F8CE33428959EB239AF8FB7C0@DM6PR11MB4476.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Oh...not the same as the K3 6 pin connectors?

Chuck Hawley
 c-hawley at illinois.edu

 Amateur Radio, KE9UW
 aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-POD Coiled Cord?

It?s a standard USB-A to USB-B cable from K4 to K-Pod. I?m not sure about coiled...

73 de Dick, K6KR

> On Jul 16, 2020, at 19:50, Eric Norris <norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?Has anyone found a high-quality coiled cord to replace the K-POD to K4
> cord?  Is there a length/type restriction?
>
> 73 Eric WD6DBM
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From dick at elecraft.com  Fri Jul 17 10:28:17 2020
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:28:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD Coiled Cord?
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR11MB4476F8CE33428959EB239AF8FB7C0@DM6PR11MB4476.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAJSJeL0pbdf_Mbpu+gBU0euozEqB+n=_s0X01Qz1NsGxne=X0g@mail.gmail.com>,
	<FBFE228E-241A-4F69-8DD6-32ED79651ACB@elecraft.com>
	<DM6PR11MB4476F8CE33428959EB239AF8FB7C0@DM6PR11MB4476.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <000201d65c46$83b8a2b0$8b29e810$@elecraft.com>

Yes, an RJ-12 cable for a K3, a USB cable for a K4. 

 

73 de Dick, K6KR

 

From: hawley, charles j jr <c-hawley at illinois.edu> 
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 07:23
To: Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com>; Eric Norris <norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com>
Cc: elecraft at mailman qth. net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-POD Coiled Cord?

 

Oh...not the same as the K3 6 pin connectors?

 

Chuck Hawley
 c-hawley at illinois.edu <mailto:c-hawley at illinois.edu> 
  
 Amateur Radio, KE9UW
 aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles  

 

  _____  

From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>  <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> > on behalf of Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com <mailto:dick at elecraft.com> >
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:00 PM
To: Eric Norris <norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com <mailto:norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com> >
Cc: elecraft at mailman qth. net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net> >
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-POD Coiled Cord? 

 

It?s a standard USB-A to USB-B cable from K4 to K-Pod. I?m not sure about coiled...

73 de Dick, K6KR

> On Jul 16, 2020, at 19:50, Eric Norris <norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com <mailto:norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com> > wrote:
> 
> ?Has anyone found a high-quality coiled cord to replace the K-POD to K4
> cord?  Is there a length/type restriction?
> 
> 73 Eric WD6DBM
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Fri Jul 17 10:39:27 2020
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:39:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
In-Reply-To: <952753389.1908371.1594938768547.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
References: <952753389.1908371.1594938768547.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
Message-ID: <fc5ac889-dda9-7ee6-2d73-85a2aa7c8bb5@triconet.org>

If you want to pick nits then even a "perfect" dummy load doesn't match a 
practical transmission line which has loss, hence has a reactive characteristic 
impedance. :-)

Wes? N7WS


On 7/16/2020 3:32 PM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
> Ken's statement that " a non-resonant antenna can have a 1:1 SWR"
> is patently false with the sole exception of a dummy load used as an
> antenna.
>
>
> 73
> Frank
> W3LPL
>


From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Fri Jul 17 10:50:49 2020
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 09:50:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Way OT: Bird APM-16 for sale
Message-ID: <01bf01d65c49$a9bafbe0$fd30f3a0$@LNAINC.com>

I have an immaculate Bird APM-16 Average Reading RF Power Meter with several
elements and carrying case, which I no longer (and hardly ever did .) need.

 

If interested, PM me.

 

73

Lyn, W0LEN

 


From dk5ya at dk5ya.de  Fri Jul 17 11:02:38 2020
From: dk5ya at dk5ya.de (Udo Langenohl - DK5YA)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 17:02:38 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B - different audio levels?
Message-ID: <b573c340-6d39-f810-e42f-9bc79e0251e8@dk5ya.de>

I've upgraded both of my K3 while ago with all parts available to make 
them K3S (more or less).

My main K3 shows some weird behavior with the audio level comparing left 
and right stereo channel (KIO3B). I'm feeding this K3 mainly with 144 
transverter signals from XPol yagis (moonbounce system) with the Hpol 
signals on the main RX and Vpol signals at the second RX (AUX). Main RX 
is left channel on the USB soundcard while SUB RX is the right channel 
(Windows 10, MIC input).

Even when on both RX (main and sub) the HF signal level is exactly the 
same (i.e. -120dBm from a HP8664A signal generator, split by 3-dB for 
main and sub) the left audio channel (main RX) shows exactly 6dB less 
compared to the right audio channel (sub RX) at USB audio out. On the 
IF-side (28 MHz) signal strength is exactly the same level, measured 
with my Siglent Spec Analyzer. Just .34dB difference main/sub.

This doesn't happen on my 2nd K3 which is almost exactly the same inside 
like #1 except it's a 10W version.

Any idea?

Udo, DK5YA

From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Fri Jul 17 11:10:25 2020
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 10:10:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Way OT: Bird APM-16 for sale
In-Reply-To: <01bf01d65c49$a9bafbe0$fd30f3a0$@LNAINC.com>
References: <01bf01d65c49$a9bafbe0$fd30f3a0$@LNAINC.com>
Message-ID: <01e201d65c4c$6647a6d0$32d6f470$@LNAINC.com>

Here's a link:

https://birdrf.com/en/Products/Test%20and%20Measurement/RF-Power-Meters/Watt
meters-Line-Sections/RF-Wattmeters/APM-16_Average-Reading-Power-Meter.aspx?g
clid=CjwKCAjwmMX4BRAAEiwA-zM4JtuO8sbzCsjg_4apIkPk8IlF48EXdqyoJq9us9FipBHUCqY
DySso8xoCU3cQAvD_BwE


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Lyn Norstad
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 9:51 AM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Way OT: Bird APM-16 for sale

I have an immaculate Bird APM-16 Average Reading RF Power Meter with several
elements and carrying case, which I no longer (and hardly ever did .) need.

 

If interested, PM me.

 

73

Lyn, W0LEN

 

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From pincon at erols.com  Fri Jul 17 09:35:02 2020
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 09:35:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Using Yaesu Quadra VL-1000 with K3/ ALC?
In-Reply-To: <20200717075955.Horde.hYU5CukHMaeZzp9GF1qlqUX@www11.qth.com>
References: <20200717075955.Horde.hYU5CukHMaeZzp9GF1qlqUX@www11.qth.com>
Message-ID: <003201d65c3f$16a69800$43f3c800$@erols.com>

I always felt that the ALC control into an SS amp is the amp's last resort
to being over-driven (= damaged?).
Yes, for normal operation, set your radio at a lower power to drive the amp
to the desired level, which does NOT activate the ALC.
However, if you do something "un-smart", the ALC will hopefully protect the
amp's input.

Just to make this plain, do NOT run your 100/200 watt radio at max output
and depend on the ALC connection to cut it back.

73, Charlie k3ICH



 


From kb1tcd at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 13:09:28 2020
From: kb1tcd at gmail.com (JP Douglas)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 13:09:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?Joke_status_wasn=27t_wasted_on_me_?=
 =?utf-8?b?8J+Ygg==?=
In-Reply-To: <CAK+fsRWhCMKfnXnUXfWTfOjt6gG_obKYExN7DN6Mb8DFcHjx_w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CCA9D503-F1EF-46B2-A42B-251BE99EB226@icloud.com>
	<6924711d-e6cd-9485-58f3-40ef8ce9661e@foothill.net>
	<CAK+fsRWhCMKfnXnUXfWTfOjt6gG_obKYExN7DN6Mb8DFcHjx_w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b6164ecf-578f-6906-be34-cb3a1ba80268@gmail.com>

What does this have to do with Elecraft???

Please do not waste my time!

Thanks!

Jose Douglas KB1TCD

On 7/16/2020 7:12 PM, Rose wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 16:59 Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I too have a math degree and the mean population density of
>> California is ~98/sq km and yes, all the people in CA could stand well
>> more than 1 m apart and no one would need scuba tanks or find themselves
>> in Nevada [or Oregon or Arizona or Baja California].  I made it up ...
>> it was intended as a joke.  It's a good thing I ended up supporting my
>> family with math and engineering degrees since I don't hold a degree in
>> comedy and apparently  I suck at it. [:=)
>>
>> 73,
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>>
>> On 7/16/2020 3:14 PM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
>>> Not waiting on a K4, got my KX2 and perfectly happy.  Also, off topic
>> and not intended to besmirch anyone, but being a math geek in a math geeky
>> hobby . . .
>>> ?The population density in California is high ... high enough that if
>> everyone stood 1 meter from everyone else, some would be standing in Nevada
>> and some in the Pacific Ocean.?
>>> Check your math.  World population is about 8 Billion.  Give everyone a
>> Covid distance of two meters, or four square meters per person.  That gives
>> us 32 billion square meters to socially distance the world population.
>> California is about 424 billion square meters.  Plenty of room for
>> everybody!
>>> Keeping Watch-
>>> shu
>>>
>>> Joe Shuman, KE8KJZ
>>>
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From marvwheeler at nwlink.com  Fri Jul 17 13:17:01 2020
From: marvwheeler at nwlink.com (marvwheeler at nwlink.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 10:17:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?Joke_status_wasn=27t_wasted_on_me_?=
	=?utf-8?b?8J+Ygg==?=
In-Reply-To: <b6164ecf-578f-6906-be34-cb3a1ba80268@gmail.com>
References: <CCA9D503-F1EF-46B2-A42B-251BE99EB226@icloud.com>	<6924711d-e6cd-9485-58f3-40ef8ce9661e@foothill.net>	<CAK+fsRWhCMKfnXnUXfWTfOjt6gG_obKYExN7DN6Mb8DFcHjx_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<b6164ecf-578f-6906-be34-cb3a1ba80268@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000501d65c5e$16198220$424c8660$@nwlink.com>

Geez! Where's the courtesy?

Marv
KG7V

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of JP Douglas
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 10:09 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Joke status wasn't wasted on me ?

What does this have to do with Elecraft???

Please do not waste my time!

Thanks!

Jose Douglas KB1TCD

On 7/16/2020 7:12 PM, Rose wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 16:59 Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I too have a math degree and the mean population density of 
>> California is ~98/sq km and yes, all the people in CA could stand 
>> well more than 1 m apart and no one would need scuba tanks or find 
>> themselves in Nevada [or Oregon or Arizona or Baja California].  I made it up ...
>> it was intended as a joke.  It's a good thing I ended up supporting 
>> my family with math and engineering degrees since I don't hold a 
>> degree in comedy and apparently  I suck at it. [:=)
>>
>> 73,
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>>
>> On 7/16/2020 3:14 PM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
>>> Not waiting on a K4, got my KX2 and perfectly happy.  Also, off 
>>> topic
>> and not intended to besmirch anyone, but being a math geek in a math 
>> geeky hobby . . .
>>> ?The population density in California is high ... high enough that 
>>> if
>> everyone stood 1 meter from everyone else, some would be standing in 
>> Nevada and some in the Pacific Ocean.?
>>> Check your math.  World population is about 8 Billion.  Give 
>>> everyone a
>> Covid distance of two meters, or four square meters per person.  That 
>> gives us 32 billion square meters to socially distance the world population.
>> California is about 424 billion square meters.  Plenty of room for 
>> everybody!
>>> Keeping Watch-
>>> shu
>>>
>>> Joe Shuman, KE8KJZ
>>>
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Fri Jul 17 13:47:35 2020
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 09:47:35 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
Message-ID: <202007171747.06HHlb8p021560@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>

Interesting discussion:

But most of us probably tune our antennas for best SWR at the desired 
frequency.

I have a dual-band 80-40m inverted-V with apex at 40-foot and 80m 
wire tail at 20-foot.  The separate 40m wire is spaced 6-inches from 
the 80m wire with wooden dowels.  I found by trial-n-error that one 
must tune the lowest frequency wires, first.  I did that using an 
antenna analyzer.  Then the 40m wires.  Turns out (probably due to 
coupling) that the 40m antenna is narrow bw (50-KHz at best) whereas 
I get good SWR from 3650-4000 KHz.

The purist will say that's not resonant but the transmitter is 
happy.  I can  run bypass on 3800-4000 KHz with my KXPA100/KXAT100 
but must  tune using the atu on 40m.
For working around Alaska (out to 800-miles) this "cloud burner" 
works well with 100w.  I only use SSB on these bands.  3920 is the 
defacto calling/emcomm channel in AK.

When we have an earthquake, 3920 lights up (as well as 14,292) for 
reporting from our remote areas.  I live two miles from salt-water so 
tsunami watch is common after a "big one".

73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Fri Jul 17 14:20:09 2020
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 11:20:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD Coiled Cord?
In-Reply-To: <001d01d65c43$bf010e50$3d032af0$@elecraft.com>
References: <F0007AEB-CC67-481D-B2FD-D07E200BC416@elecraft.com>
	<CFB81A81-FFB1-426B-BB94-4886EAEC4022@widomaker.com>
	<001d01d65c43$bf010e50$3d032af0$@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <ceb81370-bbe4-8554-97c0-102a6acb2220@foothill.net>

Just curious and a bit too busy to go look it up right now, what is the 
AUX jack for on the back of my K-POD?

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/17/2020 7:08 AM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:
> My K-Pod, an early one, has a rear-panel USB-B connector labeled "USB", used to install K-Pod firmware and also for a K4 connection. K-Pod DC power is also provided through this cable.
>
> I use a very standard USB A to B cable.
>
> 73 de Dick, K6KR
>


From n8sbe at arrl.net  Fri Jul 17 15:35:51 2020
From: n8sbe at arrl.net (Dave New, N8SBE)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 12:35:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
Message-ID: <20200717123551.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.e9073c84ea.wbe@email09.godaddy.com>

Thanks, Rich.  "All industries are equal, but some are more equal than
others."


I'm amazed at the folks that seem to think that ham radio equipment is
even on the radar of anybody's 'essential' industry.


What's even weirder, is that if you ask anyone to make up a list of
'essential' industries, it would look like no one else's list, ever.


It seems that the industries that have the deepest pockets and the most
to lose (all at the same time, it seems) are the only ones getting
parts.  All the small players are going begging.


The major automotive OEMs (billions of dollars/yr in sales) have been
back in production now for several weeks.  Consider that the average
vehicle these days has over 30K parts, and then try to figure out why
small businesses like Elecraft can't get the parts they need to go back
into production.


It's not that the parts aren't available, it's that the parts went
SOMEWHERE ELSE.


Even the automotive OEM's have occasionally had to take a back seat to
other manufacturers when it comes to electronics, especially the
computer and cell phone guys.  In the race to source microprocessor
parts, there is a definite pecking order, based on volume and pricing
and demand.  If you sell a billion cell phones a year, guess who gets
first pick?


Sorry to bust everyone's bubble, but ham radio is really not that
important, in the great industry wheel of things.


73,


-- Dave, N8SBE
  -------- Original Message --------
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 in production
 From: Rich NE1EE <73.de.ne1ee at gmail.com>
 Date: Fri, July 17, 2020 8:04 am
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net

 I'm sure that it varies by location and industry. I have spoken to
several businesses who report they are behind due to supply chain
interruptions and delays.

 I see that I need to change my habits for this mailer...I have a habit
of hitting reply, and twice now I have sent private messages when I
meant to reply to the group...

 ~R~
 72/73 de Rich NE1EE
 On the banks of the Piscataqua

From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Fri Jul 17 15:37:01 2020
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 19:37:01 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD Coiled Cord?
In-Reply-To: <ceb81370-bbe4-8554-97c0-102a6acb2220@foothill.net>
References: <F0007AEB-CC67-481D-B2FD-D07E200BC416@elecraft.com>
	<CFB81A81-FFB1-426B-BB94-4886EAEC4022@widomaker.com>
	<001d01d65c43$bf010e50$3d032af0$@elecraft.com>,
	<ceb81370-bbe4-8554-97c0-102a6acb2220@foothill.net>
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Computer hookup for upgrades 

Chuck Jack Hawley 
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On Jul 17, 2020, at 1:20 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Just curious and a bit too busy to go look it up right now, what is the AUX jack for on the back of my K-POD?
> 
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
>> On 7/17/2020 7:08 AM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:
>> My K-Pod, an early one, has a rear-panel USB-B connector labeled "USB", used to install K-Pod firmware and also for a K4 connection. K-Pod DC power is also provided through this cable.
>> 
>> I use a very standard USB A to B cable.
>> 
>> 73 de Dick, K6KR
>> 
> 
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Jul 17 15:51:43 2020
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 12:51:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Using Yaesu Quadra VL-1000 with K3/ ALC?
In-Reply-To: <003201d65c3f$16a69800$43f3c800$@erols.com>
References: <20200717075955.Horde.hYU5CukHMaeZzp9GF1qlqUX@www11.qth.com>
	<003201d65c3f$16a69800$43f3c800$@erols.com>
Message-ID: <9c2b6c9b-d936-e190-308f-7d417f612df7@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/17/2020 6:35 AM, Charlie T wrote:
> ust to make this plain, do NOT run your 100/200 watt radio at max output
> and depend on the ALC connection to cut it back.

Right! Using ALC between power amp and rig to set TX power is a recipe 
for massive splatter and clicks.

73, Jim K9YC

From alorona at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jul 17 16:40:09 2020
From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 20:40:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] QST Scan
References: <340807939.2896902.1595018409741.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <340807939.2896902.1595018409741@mail.yahoo.com>

This is a request for a favor... to anybody who's got a complete QST collection... would you be willing to scan 1 page from 1995 and send the scan to me? The low-res scanned copy on the QST Archive at the League's web site doesn't clearly show a detail that I'm interested in.

If you're able and willing to help me, please contact me off-list: alorona at sbcglobal.net. And thanks *very* much in advance.

Regards,

Al? W6LX


From nelasat at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 17 16:40:21 2020
From: nelasat at yahoo.com (Keith Ennis)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 20:40:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital Display Unit for the Elecraft KPA500
References: <1398419613.2371683.1595018421118.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1398419613.2371683.1595018421118@mail.yahoo.com>

Keith Ennis (KV5J) is proud to introduce the second in his line of Digital Display Units.The Digital Display Unit for Elecraft's KPA500.?For the Elecraft KPA500 I have designed a compact, easy to read Digital Display Unit (DDU). It allows the monitoring of 5 crucial readings all at the same time.?1.? Power amplifier's heat sink temperature2.? Power amplifier's high voltage voltage3.? Power amplifier's current4.? Power amplifier's output power5. SWR that the KPA500 sees at its output?The DDU measures is size only 4x4x2 inches with an easy to read 2 line display that can be located at the operating position and the KPA500 can be located over 10 feet away.?The DDU is designed with the following features:?Easy to read 2 line displayNo USB or serial cable to computerNo com port in Windows to manageNo computer neededPlug and PlaySimply connect the supplied DC power cable to the power supply and the supplied data jumper cable to the KPA500Retains all functions of the KPA500 front panelAll displayed info obtained directly from the KPA500?The DDU will poll the KPA500 and display PA voltage and PA temperature during both receive and transmit cycles.? It will add watts and SWR display for a short amount of time after unkeying the amp.?For more information about the obtaining the DDU visit:? ?http://WWW.KV5J.COM?




Keith, KV5J


Keith

From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Fri Jul 17 16:43:30 2020
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 20:43:30 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD Coiled Cord?
In-Reply-To: <10554E95-06DD-45FC-BBF4-D30918A8C47F@illinois.edu>
References: <F0007AEB-CC67-481D-B2FD-D07E200BC416@elecraft.com>
	<CFB81A81-FFB1-426B-BB94-4886EAEC4022@widomaker.com>
	<001d01d65c43$bf010e50$3d032af0$@elecraft.com>,
	<ceb81370-bbe4-8554-97c0-102a6acb2220@foothill.net>,
	<10554E95-06DD-45FC-BBF4-D30918A8C47F@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <66C4FD9D-61ED-4FE9-A9AB-41B76C45E740@illinois.edu>

Oh sorry. I was still thinking of usb. The aux out can control an external device like an antenna switch...with a macro. Page 12

Jack BMW Motorcycles
Chuck KE9UW
c-hawley at illinois.edu

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 17, 2020, at 2:37 PM, hawley, charles j jr <c-hawley at illinois.edu> wrote:
> 
> ?Computer hookup for upgrades 
> 
> Chuck Jack Hawley 
> KE9UW
> 
> Sent from my iPhone, cjack 
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2020, at 1:20 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Just curious and a bit too busy to go look it up right now, what is the AUX jack for on the back of my K-POD?
>> 
>> 73,
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>> 
>>>> On 7/17/2020 7:08 AM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:
>>> My K-Pod, an early one, has a rear-panel USB-B connector labeled "USB", used to install K-Pod firmware and also for a K4 connection. K-Pod DC power is also provided through this cable.
>>> 
>>> I use a very standard USB A to B cable.
>>> 
>>> 73 de Dick, K6KR
>>> 
>> 
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From keith at elecraft.com  Fri Jul 17 16:43:17 2020
From: keith at elecraft.com (Keith Trinity WE6R)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 13:43:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD Coiled Cord?
In-Reply-To: <CAJSJeL0pbdf_Mbpu+gBU0euozEqB+n=_s0X01Qz1NsGxne=X0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJSJeL0pbdf_Mbpu+gBU0euozEqB+n=_s0X01Qz1NsGxne=X0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4cdaa562-9139-00f1-13a6-25a5fbb25bae@elecraft.com>

I use about a 5 foot nice flexible old computer mouse cord.
Goes from the RJ 6-pin "Radio" jack on K-POD to bottom of K3 Front Panel.
I did NOT connect a wire to the one unused pin on either end, so you 
only need 5 wires.
It works but I occasionally get RF into it on 80m as my antenna radiates 
into the house. "ERR KP1" shows in K3 display, sometimes it makes the 
frequency change.
A couple turns on a toroid  at each end did NOT help.
I suggest keep it as short as possible.
Keith WE6R Elecraft K3 Tech

From alorona at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jul 17 16:53:00 2020
From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 20:53:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Fw:  [OT] QST Scan
In-Reply-To: <340807939.2896902.1595018409741@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <340807939.2896902.1595018409741.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<340807939.2896902.1595018409741@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1499287701.2898255.1595019180057@mail.yahoo.com>

I have the volunteer I needed to scan QST for me. Thanks, everybody.

Al W6LX




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To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020, 01:41:11 PM PDT
Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] QST Scan


This is a request for a favor... to anybody who's got a complete QST collection... would you be willing to scan 1 page from 1995 and send the scan to me? The low-res scanned copy on the QST Archive at the League's web site doesn't clearly show a detail that I'm interested in.

If you're able and willing to help me, please contact me off-list: alorona at sbcglobal.net. And thanks *very* much in advance.

Regards,

Al? W6LX

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From k2asp at kanafi.org  Fri Jul 17 17:23:50 2020
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 14:23:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers
In-Reply-To: <c154896f-dd68-8e79-a826-0668a52caec5@socket.net>
References: <CAEwXZzscp+_jtj96QmB3Dk44Ja7C2tVDTREynjp993GG6+GxpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20200715233950.jgpbcybbf3doiame@n0nb.us>
	<b30a4a79-466b-7226-56a3-8dbe92fd7625@hvc.rr.com>
	<3ed1659d-9d65-08de-625b-91b6d2dc679e@af2z.net>
	<cb9caa06-f495-ab2d-e6cd-ac17cc34fd34@kanafi.org>
	<4f1ab871-a8a3-3390-a232-88f32d58e587@horizon.co.fk>
	<c154896f-dd68-8e79-a826-0668a52caec5@socket.net>
Message-ID: <32f6e8a0-55bb-3725-a2d4-478ca83d9aca@kanafi.org>

On 7/16/2020 11:31 AM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote:
> 
> The "quarter turn" idea most often refers to the trick of backing-off a
> screw "a quarter turn" and then re-tightening in order to break up
> corrosion.? More than one restorer has brought vintage equipment to life
> by doing nothing more than that.

I apologize to all - I did mis-speak. Just a good "past snug" is about
what I meant.   And yes, a proper wrap if Rescue Tape will keep it dry -
or so my  experience has shown.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

From kzerocx at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 17:36:35 2020
From: kzerocx at gmail.com (Gary Peterson)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 15:36:35 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Waterproof SO-239 covers
Message-ID: <F56D199FE20549C69D469835FDC646A7@WIN7LowProfile>

A similar concoction is readily available in the U.S.  Depending on who manufactures it, the brand might be Penetrox, NoAlOx or OxGard.  It is used by electricians to enhance aluminum to aluminum and aluminum to copper or brass electrical connections.  Each of these products appears to be a mixture of a silicone based grease and powdered zinc metal.  I have used such, between sections, when assembling an aluminum antenna.  Before assembly, I apply the grease and use emery cloth to shine up the outer part of the inner tubing.  I apply the grease to a wire brush made for plumbing and use that to clean the inside of the outer tubing.  Aluminum is a very chemically reactive metal.  It quickly forms an oxide that protects the surface from further reaction.  Unfortunately, aluminum oxide is a pretty good insulator.  By using the grease with the abrasion, the oxide is removed and the metal is protected from oxygen in the air during assembly.  I find that this procedure prevents intermittent connections and makes future disassembly much easier.  A friend had a multi band vertical antenna that was really flaky.  The VSWR would change with the wind.  We took his vertical apart and performed the antioxidant and abrasive treatment.  His vertical worked reliably for years afterward.  At one time, Mosley used to supply Penetrox with their beam antennas.  A good move in my opinion.  

Gary, K0CX   

I cover the threads with a
mixture of zinc and Vaseline anyway...I still use the zinc
and Vaseline on threads though because it lubricates and the zinc helps
conductivity a little, but my stock has all but gone. Steve, G4VRR

From barrylazar2 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 17:32:56 2020
From: barrylazar2 at gmail.com (Barry LaZar)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 17:32:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
In-Reply-To: <202007171747.06HHlb8p021560@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
References: <202007171747.06HHlb8p021560@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <c2215b18-b08f-6b61-afc8-a7672afcaaeb@gmail.com>

Resonance is over rated. The problem of believing you must have a 
resonant antenna arose with the use of coax cable began. High SWRs 
causes high system losses.

Prior to the widespread use of coax, open wire was used and few antenna 
systems were really resonant, and nor were they reflecting a 1:1 SWR. 
Back then, no one cared as tubes were used and pi-net or swinging links 
were used to match to whatever was connected to the transmitter. In 
fact, I once visited a site that used rhombic antennas and Sterba 
curtains being fed by high power transmitters. The feed line were copper 
pipes about 1/4" in diameter and spaced about 4". The SWR, I was told, 
was 14:1. I asked if that was a problem of transferring energy to the 
system. The answer was no as the final output stage could match it and 
the system losses were low due to the type of feed line used. This was a 
lesson I learned 60 years ago and haven't forgotten it. The site was the 
RCA site the once stood on Montauck Point on Long Island, New York.

One point that keeps getting forgotten is the conservation of energy 
concept. What that means is energy can only be changed and not lost. 
Typically that means transmitter energy would be changed to heat, but 
not lost. What is not changed to heat on the coax will make it to the 
antenna where it MUST be radiated and not lost.? Yhe practical 
application of this is use really good coax if you can't get to a 
1:1-2:1 SWR, ot there about. Alternatively, use ladder line and a 
current balun. Elecraft tuners easily tune 10:1 SWR which contains 
system losses nicely. I have been doing this for a very long time and 
have achieved WAS, DXCC phone, DXCC CW, and DXCC digital, and, I'm 13 
short on 80 of making 5BDXCC.

73,

Barry

K3NDM


On 7/17/2020 1:47 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
> Interesting discussion:
>
> But most of us probably tune our antennas for best SWR at the desired 
> frequency.
>
> I have a dual-band 80-40m inverted-V with apex at 40-foot and 80m wire 
> tail at 20-foot.? The separate 40m wire is spaced 6-inches from the 
> 80m wire with wooden dowels.? I found by trial-n-error that one must 
> tune the lowest frequency wires, first.? I did that using an antenna 
> analyzer.? Then the 40m wires.? Turns out (probably due to coupling) 
> that the 40m antenna is narrow bw (50-KHz at best) whereas I get good 
> SWR from 3650-4000 KHz.
>
> The purist will say that's not resonant but the transmitter is happy.? 
> I can? run bypass on 3800-4000 KHz with my KXPA100/KXAT100 but must? 
> tune using the atu on 40m.
> For working around Alaska (out to 800-miles) this "cloud burner" works 
> well with 100w.? I only use SSB on these bands.? 3920 is the defacto 
> calling/emcomm channel in AK.
>
> When we have an earthquake, 3920 lights up (as well as 14,292) for 
> reporting from our remote areas.? I live two miles from salt-water so 
> tsunami watch is common after a "big one".
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> ? http://www.kl7uw.com
> Dubus-NA Business mail:
> ? dubususa at gmail.com
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Fri Jul 17 18:02:42 2020
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 18:02:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Convert a KXUSBa cable to KUSB
In-Reply-To: <CALK4bwgHXWF2+-d=2E=gFtH3TZYyE1D08-z260JPEtnSP5fTEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALK4bwgHXWF2+-d=2E=gFtH3TZYyE1D08-z260JPEtnSP5fTEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D48D32B8-B71C-401D-A63E-1A100F579FE7@widomaker.com>

A DB15 is not going to connect to the DE 9 on the back of the radio.  A DB15 is a much larger connector. 

Also, converting the KXUSB to use on a K3 is not going to provide all the signals that the KUSB has.  No RTS/DTR. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 17, 2020, at 9:29 AM, Ken Winterling <wa2lbi at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Bill,
> 
> I haven't looked into the electronic validity of what you are asking but I
> would recommend building an adapter with a female jack and DB-15 vs cutting
> off a working connector.
> 
> Ken
> WA2LBI
> 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 9:21 AM Bill Cotter <n4lg at qx.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Somehow in the entropy of the universe and my cluttered shack/shop,
>> I have managed to lose my KUSB cable for my K3. I found the earlier
>> (silver) cable, but it doesn't have the FTDI chip and won't work
>> with Win-10. In the process of searching for the KUSB I have
>> managed to unearth two KXUSBa cables for my KX3.
>> 
>> Since I don't need two KXUSB cables, I am contemplating cutting off
>> the mini phone plug and wiring up a DB-15. Has anyone done this?
>> And, anyone see a downside?
>> 
>> Thanks es 73 Bill N4LG
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Fri Jul 17 18:05:03 2020
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 18:05:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD Coiled Cord?
In-Reply-To: <001d01d65c43$bf010e50$3d032af0$@elecraft.com>
References: <001d01d65c43$bf010e50$3d032af0$@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <73DE7F5F-D869-4CD7-9C34-FBEF4FD9EFD2@widomaker.com>

TNX

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 17, 2020, at 10:08 AM, Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> ?My K-Pod, an early one, has a rear-panel USB-B connector labeled "USB", used to install K-Pod firmware and also for a K4 connection. K-Pod DC power is also provided through this cable.
> 
> I use a very standard USB A to B cable.
> 
> 73 de Dick, K6KR
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> 
> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 01:43
> To: Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com>
> Cc: Eric Norris <norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com>; elecraft at mailman qth. net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-POD Coiled Cord?
> 
> It will fit our existing K-Pods??
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2020, at 11:56 PM, Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?The K4 uses a USB cable to the K-Pod rather than the telephone like cable used with K3.  There are USB-A jacks on K4 front and back, not underneath like the K3.
>> 
>> 73 de Dick, K6KR
>> 
>>> On Jul 16, 2020, at 20:41, Eric Norris <norrislawfirm2 at gm ? Sorry, I 
>>> mean not the USB cord, but the telephone-cable-like cord that goes under the right front on the K3, and I assume K4.
>>> 
>>> 73 Eric WD6DBM
>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 8:00 PM Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>>> It?s a standard USB-A to USB-B cable from K4 to K-Pod. I?m not sure about coiled...
>>>> 
>>>> 73 de Dick, K6KR
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 16, 2020, at 19:50, Eric Norris <norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Has anyone found a high-quality coiled cord to replace the K-POD 
>>>>> to K4 cord?  Is there a length/type restriction?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 73 Eric WD6DBM
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Fri Jul 17 18:13:03 2020
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 15:13:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD Coiled Cord?
In-Reply-To: <4cdaa562-9139-00f1-13a6-25a5fbb25bae@elecraft.com>
References: <CAJSJeL0pbdf_Mbpu+gBU0euozEqB+n=_s0X01Qz1NsGxne=X0g@mail.gmail.com>
	<4cdaa562-9139-00f1-13a6-25a5fbb25bae@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <12452b10-1db1-35c3-a9e5-bf745c7f0d3a@foothill.net>

Mine took more than a couple of turns [9 to be exact] of the supplied 
flat cable right up next to the radio connector.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/17/2020 1:43 PM, Keith Trinity WE6R wrote:
> I use about a 5 foot nice flexible old computer mouse cord.
> Goes from the RJ 6-pin "Radio" jack on K-POD to bottom of K3 Front Panel.
> I did NOT connect a wire to the one unused pin on either end, so you 
> only need 5 wires.
> It works but I occasionally get RF into it on 80m as my antenna 
> radiates into the house. "ERR KP1" shows in K3 display, sometimes it 
> makes the frequency change.
> A couple turns on a toroid? at each end did NOT help.
> I suggest keep it as short as possible.
> Keith WE6R Elecraft K3 Tech


From a.durbin at msn.com  Fri Jul 17 18:56:22 2020
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 22:56:22 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Convert a KXUSBa cable to KUSB
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB29680CFDDCDFFDA77BA35B6E8C7C0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

I don't know these cables but I would like to add a caution.   Some Elecraft "RS-232" interfaces are true RS-232 (voltage swings greater than +/- 8 volts) and others are TTL (voltage swings between 0 V and 5 V).   Be sure you know what you are connecting to what.   Some of the receivers are designed to accept either TTL or true RS-232 but perhaps not all of them are.  Driving true RS-232 into a TTL receiver may let the smoke out.

I'd suggest reviewing the schematics before cutting and splicing.

Andy, k3wyc

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Fri Jul 17 18:57:00 2020
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 15:57:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
In-Reply-To: <c2215b18-b08f-6b61-afc8-a7672afcaaeb@gmail.com>
References: <202007171747.06HHlb8p021560@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
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I wrote about some of this in my paper ARRL Antenna Compendium paper on ladder 
line 20 years ago. https://sadxa.org/n7ws/Ladder_Line.pdf

I've seen pictures of those SW transmitting plants and always assumed that they 
must have been very efficient.? Upon reflection---no pun intended---now I'm not 
so sure.? If losses mounted up, (which they most certainly did at 14:1 SWR) they 
had the option of just turning up the wick.

Furthermore, as I said in closing: "Contrary to the conventional wisdom, ladder 
line is not a panacea for every transmission line problem."? In the ensuing 20 
years, I've become even more convinced of this.? When tuner and balun losses are 
factored into this picture I don't know why anyone would want to use this 
stuff.? I sure don't.

I have a KAT500 and use it to tune some way-off resonant antennas (fed with 7/8" 
Heliax) but I don't delude myself into thinking "I've contained system losses."

Wes? N7WS
https://www.qrz.com/db/N7WS


On 7/17/2020 2:32 PM, Barry LaZar wrote:
> Resonance is over rated. The problem of believing you must have a resonant 
> antenna arose with the use of coax cable began. High SWRs causes high system 
> losses.
>
> Prior to the widespread use of coax, open wire was used and few antenna 
> systems were really resonant, and nor were they reflecting a 1:1 SWR. Back 
> then, no one cared as tubes were used and pi-net or swinging links were used 
> to match to whatever was connected to the transmitter. In fact, I once visited 
> a site that used rhombic antennas and Sterba curtains being fed by high power 
> transmitters. The feed line were copper pipes about 1/4" in diameter and 
> spaced about 4". The SWR, I was told, was 14:1. I asked if that was a problem 
> of transferring energy to the system. The answer was no as the final output 
> stage could match it and the system losses were low due to the type of feed 
> line used. This was a lesson I learned 60 years ago and haven't forgotten it. 
> The site was the RCA site the once stood on Montauck Point on Long Island, New 
> York.
>
> One point that keeps getting forgotten is the conservation of energy concept. 
> What that means is energy can only be changed and not lost. Typically that 
> means transmitter energy would be changed to heat, but not lost. What is not 
> changed to heat on the coax will make it to the antenna where it MUST be 
> radiated and not lost.? Yhe practical application of this is use really good 
> coax if you can't get to a 1:1-2:1 SWR, ot there about. Alternatively, use 
> ladder line and a current balun. Elecraft tuners easily tune 10:1 SWR which 
> contains system losses nicely. I have been doing this for a very long time and 
> have achieved WAS, DXCC phone, DXCC CW, and DXCC digital, and, I'm 13 short on 
> 80 of making 5BDXCC.
>
> 73,
>
> Barry
>
> K3NDM


From kwroberson at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 17 19:34:35 2020
From: kwroberson at yahoo.com (Ken Roberson)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 23:34:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners
References: <1290759943.2931936.1595028875860.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1290759943.2931936.1595028875860@mail.yahoo.com>


Antenna tuners

I never use an antenna tuner , on the MF and LF bands realmen use a scopematch at the

Output of the Power Amp and a matching device at the base ofthe vertical antenna ? HI Hi.

73 Ken K5DNL

?


From kurtt at pinrod.com  Fri Jul 17 20:09:34 2020
From: kurtt at pinrod.com (Kurt Pawlikowski)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 19:09:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners
In-Reply-To: <1290759943.2931936.1595028875860@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1290759943.2931936.1595028875860.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1290759943.2931936.1595028875860@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0ca90e1b-178c-1dd4-a02c-f2ee06709c5c@pinrod.com>

Ken: In some respects, a "matching device" at the base of the antenna 
_/is/_ a tuner! {'-) It accomplishes the same function... {'-) k WB9FMC

On 7/17/2020 6:34 PM, Ken Roberson via Elecraft wrote:
> Antenna tuners
>
> I never use an antenna tuner , on the MF and LF bands realmen use a scopematch at the
>
> Output of the Power Amp and a matching device at the base ofthe vertical antenna ? HI Hi.
>
> 73 Ken K5DNL
>
>   
>
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From kwroberson at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 17 20:14:11 2020
From: kwroberson at yahoo.com (Ken Roberson)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 00:14:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners
In-Reply-To: <0ca90e1b-178c-1dd4-a02c-f2ee06709c5c@pinrod.com>
References: <1290759943.2931936.1595028875860.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1290759943.2931936.1595028875860@mail.yahoo.com>
	<0ca90e1b-178c-1dd4-a02c-f2ee06709c5c@pinrod.com>
Message-ID: <1427258661.2942136.1595031251283@mail.yahoo.com>

 Kurt,
We are not tuning the antenna , we are matching the antenna to the coax at the base of the antenna.
73 Ken K5DNL

    On Friday, July 17, 2020, 7:10:32 PM CDT, Kurt Pawlikowski <kurtt at pinrod.com> wrote:  
 
  
Ken: In some respects, a "matching device" at the base of the antenna is a tuner! {'-) It accomplishes the same function... {'-) k WB9FMC
 
 On 7/17/2020 6:34 PM, Ken Roberson via Elecraft wrote:
  
 Antenna tuners

I never use an antenna tuner , on the MF and LF bands realmen use a scopematch at the

Output of the Power Amp and a matching device at the base ofthe vertical antenna ? HI Hi.

73 Ken K5DNL

?

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From dave at nk7z.net  Fri Jul 17 20:17:57 2020
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 17:17:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners
In-Reply-To: <1290759943.2931936.1595028875860@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1290759943.2931936.1595028875860.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1290759943.2931936.1595028875860@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <df0b4b13-2d29-764b-0ba7-1761b4c3e531@nk7z.net>

Tuners...  Tuners...  We don't need no stinking tuners...  Real men use 
antennas that don't need stinking tuners...

Sorry I had too...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 7/17/20 4:34 PM, Ken Roberson via Elecraft wrote:
> 
> Antenna tuners
> 
> I never use an antenna tuner , on the MF and LF bands realmen use a scopematch at the
> 
> Output of the Power Amp and a matching device at the base ofthe vertical antenna ? HI Hi.
> 
> 73 Ken K5DNL
> 
>   
> 
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From kwroberson at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 17 20:25:24 2020
From: kwroberson at yahoo.com (Ken Roberson)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 00:25:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners
In-Reply-To: <df0b4b13-2d29-764b-0ba7-1761b4c3e531@nk7z.net>
References: <1290759943.2931936.1595028875860.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1290759943.2931936.1595028875860@mail.yahoo.com>
	<df0b4b13-2d29-764b-0ba7-1761b4c3e531@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <1295301834.2950513.1595031924196@mail.yahoo.com>

 Dave - RRR - 73 Ken K5DNL

    On Friday, July 17, 2020, 7:24:10 PM CDT, Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:  
 
 Tuners...? Tuners...? We don't need no stinking tuners...? Real men use 
antennas that don't need stinking tuners...

Sorry I had too...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 7/17/20 4:34 PM, Ken Roberson via Elecraft wrote:
> 
> Antenna tuners
> 
> I never use an antenna tuner , on the MF and LF bands realmen use a scopematch at the
> 
> Output of the Power Amp and a matching device at the base ofthe vertical antenna ? HI Hi.
> 
> 73 Ken K5DNL
> 
>? 
> 
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From barrylazar2 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 20:43:40 2020
From: barrylazar2 at gmail.com (Barry LaZar)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 20:43:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
In-Reply-To: <ea76abe9-0ab2-7e9b-cebe-d82b95a5bb01@triconet.org>
References: <202007171747.06HHlb8p021560@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
	<c2215b18-b08f-6b61-afc8-a7672afcaaeb@gmail.com>
	<ea76abe9-0ab2-7e9b-cebe-d82b95a5bb01@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <2a1a52db-b19d-e990-051b-8c4bead299ae@gmail.com>

Wes,

 ??? You're correct that open wire/ladder line transmission lines are 
not a panacea. But, in the average ham stations, open wire does overcome 
high losses with high SWR, or not so high SWR. What is needed is a look 
at the ARRL Antenna book for transmission line loss/100 ft. as a 
function of SWR. You see that on 10 meters running 10:1 SWR the total 
loss is around 1 db. And, as you go to the lower bands, losses become 
less. Typical 400 Ohm ladder line has a loss of 0.2 db at 10 MHz and 0.6 
db at 100 MHz. Using these data and a little interpolation, I would use 
0.4 db on 10 meters and a 10:1 SWR for this to be 0.8 db of additional 
loss for a total of about 1.2 db. Yes, I do use a balun and recommend 
them so add another 0.5 db. Add another 0.5 db for a good tuner and we 
end up with a total of 2.2 db. on 10 meters and less on 20 and it 
decomposes to an academic exercise on 40 and down.

 ??? Coax on 10 starts out with a higher loss/100 feet. I will use what 
I use here in K3NDM, Times LMR400. That represents 0.4 at 10 MHz. and 
1.4 db at 100 MHz. That will yield about 1.2 db/100 ft on 10 meters. Add 
0.25 db for a 2:1 SWR and 0.5 for tuner loss and you end up with about 
1.95 at a 2:1 SWR.

 ??? Here coax wins IFF the SWR remains less than 2:1 which won't happen 
over the entire commonly used portion of the band. Using ladder line 
vice coax will contain losses over the entire band. This keeps things 
simple and the cost should be a lot less.

 ??? As to the RCA station with a 14:1 SWR, they used no balun nor tuner 
as we commonly know them today. The coupling to the final tube(s) were 
balanced and was capable of making the transformation from what the tube 
wanted and the reflected impedance at the transmitter end of the 
transmission line. Ergo, they had a very low loss if using 10 meters 
which they didn't. They typically used frequencies below 18 MHz and a 
slug of power.

Vy 73,

Barry

K3NDM


On 7/17/2020 6:57 PM, Wes wrote:
> I wrote about some of this in my paper ARRL Antenna Compendium paper 
> on ladder line 20 years ago. https://sadxa.org/n7ws/Ladder_Line.pdf
>
> I've seen pictures of those SW transmitting plants and always assumed 
> that they must have been very efficient.? Upon reflection---no pun 
> intended---now I'm not so sure.? If losses mounted up, (which they 
> most certainly did at 14:1 SWR) they had the option of just turning up 
> the wick.
>
> Furthermore, as I said in closing: "Contrary to the conventional 
> wisdom, ladder line is not a panacea for every transmission line 
> problem."? In the ensuing 20 years, I've become even more convinced of 
> this.? When tuner and balun losses are factored into this picture I 
> don't know why anyone would want to use this stuff.? I sure don't.
>
> I have a KAT500 and use it to tune some way-off resonant antennas (fed 
> with 7/8" Heliax) but I don't delude myself into thinking "I've 
> contained system losses."
>
> Wes? N7WS
> https://www.qrz.com/db/N7WS
>
>
> On 7/17/2020 2:32 PM, Barry LaZar wrote:
>> Resonance is over rated. The problem of believing you must have a 
>> resonant antenna arose with the use of coax cable began. High SWRs 
>> causes high system losses.
>>
>> Prior to the widespread use of coax, open wire was used and few 
>> antenna systems were really resonant, and nor were they reflecting a 
>> 1:1 SWR. Back then, no one cared as tubes were used and pi-net or 
>> swinging links were used to match to whatever was connected to the 
>> transmitter. In fact, I once visited a site that used rhombic 
>> antennas and Sterba curtains being fed by high power transmitters. 
>> The feed line were copper pipes about 1/4" in diameter and spaced 
>> about 4". The SWR, I was told, was 14:1. I asked if that was a 
>> problem of transferring energy to the system. The answer was no as 
>> the final output stage could match it and the system losses were low 
>> due to the type of feed line used. This was a lesson I learned 60 
>> years ago and haven't forgotten it. The site was the RCA site the 
>> once stood on Montauck Point on Long Island, New York.
>>
>> One point that keeps getting forgotten is the conservation of energy 
>> concept. What that means is energy can only be changed and not lost. 
>> Typically that means transmitter energy would be changed to heat, but 
>> not lost. What is not changed to heat on the coax will make it to the 
>> antenna where it MUST be radiated and not lost.? Yhe practical 
>> application of this is use really good coax if you can't get to a 
>> 1:1-2:1 SWR, ot there about. Alternatively, use ladder line and a 
>> current balun. Elecraft tuners easily tune 10:1 SWR which contains 
>> system losses nicely. I have been doing this for a very long time and 
>> have achieved WAS, DXCC phone, DXCC CW, and DXCC digital, and, I'm 13 
>> short on 80 of making 5BDXCC.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Barry
>>
>> K3NDM
>
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From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Fri Jul 17 21:18:13 2020
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 20:18:13 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
In-Reply-To: <2a1a52db-b19d-e990-051b-8c4bead299ae@gmail.com>
References: <202007171747.06HHlb8p021560@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>	<c2215b18-b08f-6b61-afc8-a7672afcaaeb@gmail.com>	<ea76abe9-0ab2-7e9b-cebe-d82b95a5bb01@triconet.org>
	<2a1a52db-b19d-e990-051b-8c4bead299ae@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <034601d65ca1$4ed1a320$ec74e960$@LNAINC.com>

Barry -

+1

I use nothing but 600 ohm OWL (True Ladder Line) and a short piece of coax connects to a 1:1 / 4:1 hybrid balun to allow matching the impedance perfectly with my KAT500.

The antenna is a 360' center fed EDZ (design frequency of 3.5 MHz).  The KAT500 matches it on all bands 160 - 6m (on 15m, it bypasses).

The measured performance indicates  excellent radiation on all bands.

73
Lyn, W0LEN


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Barry LaZar
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 7:44 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas

Wes,

     You're correct that open wire/ladder line transmission lines are 
not a panacea. But, in the average ham stations, open wire does overcome 
high losses with high SWR, or not so high SWR. What is needed is a look 
at the ARRL Antenna book for transmission line loss/100 ft. as a 
function of SWR. You see that on 10 meters running 10:1 SWR the total 
loss is around 1 db. And, as you go to the lower bands, losses become 
less. Typical 400 Ohm ladder line has a loss of 0.2 db at 10 MHz and 0.6 
db at 100 MHz. Using these data and a little interpolation, I would use 
0.4 db on 10 meters and a 10:1 SWR for this to be 0.8 db of additional 
loss for a total of about 1.2 db. Yes, I do use a balun and recommend 
them so add another 0.5 db. Add another 0.5 db for a good tuner and we 
end up with a total of 2.2 db. on 10 meters and less on 20 and it 
decomposes to an academic exercise on 40 and down.

     Coax on 10 starts out with a higher loss/100 feet. I will use what 
I use here in K3NDM, Times LMR400. That represents 0.4 at 10 MHz. and 
1.4 db at 100 MHz. That will yield about 1.2 db/100 ft on 10 meters. Add 
0.25 db for a 2:1 SWR and 0.5 for tuner loss and you end up with about 
1.95 at a 2:1 SWR.

     Here coax wins IFF the SWR remains less than 2:1 which won't happen 
over the entire commonly used portion of the band. Using ladder line 
vice coax will contain losses over the entire band. This keeps things 
simple and the cost should be a lot less.

     As to the RCA station with a 14:1 SWR, they used no balun nor tuner 
as we commonly know them today. The coupling to the final tube(s) were 
balanced and was capable of making the transformation from what the tube 
wanted and the reflected impedance at the transmitter end of the 
transmission line. Ergo, they had a very low loss if using 10 meters 
which they didn't. They typically used frequencies below 18 MHz and a 
slug of power.

Vy 73,

Barry

K3NDM


On 7/17/2020 6:57 PM, Wes wrote:
> I wrote about some of this in my paper ARRL Antenna Compendium paper 
> on ladder line 20 years ago. https://sadxa.org/n7ws/Ladder_Line.pdf
>
> I've seen pictures of those SW transmitting plants and always assumed 
> that they must have been very efficient.  Upon reflection---no pun 
> intended---now I'm not so sure.  If losses mounted up, (which they 
> most certainly did at 14:1 SWR) they had the option of just turning up 
> the wick.
>
> Furthermore, as I said in closing: "Contrary to the conventional 
> wisdom, ladder line is not a panacea for every transmission line 
> problem."  In the ensuing 20 years, I've become even more convinced of 
> this.  When tuner and balun losses are factored into this picture I 
> don't know why anyone would want to use this stuff.  I sure don't.
>
> I have a KAT500 and use it to tune some way-off resonant antennas (fed 
> with 7/8" Heliax) but I don't delude myself into thinking "I've 
> contained system losses."
>
> Wes  N7WS
> https://www.qrz.com/db/N7WS
>
>
> On 7/17/2020 2:32 PM, Barry LaZar wrote:
>> Resonance is over rated. The problem of believing you must have a 
>> resonant antenna arose with the use of coax cable began. High SWRs 
>> causes high system losses.
>>
>> Prior to the widespread use of coax, open wire was used and few 
>> antenna systems were really resonant, and nor were they reflecting a 
>> 1:1 SWR. Back then, no one cared as tubes were used and pi-net or 
>> swinging links were used to match to whatever was connected to the 
>> transmitter. In fact, I once visited a site that used rhombic 
>> antennas and Sterba curtains being fed by high power transmitters. 
>> The feed line were copper pipes about 1/4" in diameter and spaced 
>> about 4". The SWR, I was told, was 14:1. I asked if that was a 
>> problem of transferring energy to the system. The answer was no as 
>> the final output stage could match it and the system losses were low 
>> due to the type of feed line used. This was a lesson I learned 60 
>> years ago and haven't forgotten it. The site was the RCA site the 
>> once stood on Montauck Point on Long Island, New York.
>>
>> One point that keeps getting forgotten is the conservation of energy 
>> concept. What that means is energy can only be changed and not lost. 
>> Typically that means transmitter energy would be changed to heat, but 
>> not lost. What is not changed to heat on the coax will make it to the 
>> antenna where it MUST be radiated and not lost.  Yhe practical 
>> application of this is use really good coax if you can't get to a 
>> 1:1-2:1 SWR, ot there about. Alternatively, use ladder line and a 
>> current balun. Elecraft tuners easily tune 10:1 SWR which contains 
>> system losses nicely. I have been doing this for a very long time and 
>> have achieved WAS, DXCC phone, DXCC CW, and DXCC digital, and, I'm 13 
>> short on 80 of making 5BDXCC.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Barry
>>
>> K3NDM
>
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From kd2bd at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 17 21:53:01 2020
From: kd2bd at yahoo.com (John Magliacane)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 01:53:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners
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 On Friday, July 17, 2020, 7:10:32 PM CDT, Kurt Pawlikowski <kurtt at pinrod.com> wrote: 
 
> Ken: In some respects, a "matching device" at the base of the antenna is a tuner! {'-) It accomplishes the same function... {'-) k
> WB9FMC

On Friday, July 17, 2020, 08:21:54 PM EDT, Ken Roberson via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Kurt,
> We are not tuning the antenna , we are matching the antenna to the coax at the base of the antenna.
> 73 Ken K5DNL

Kurt's correct. A low-loss (non-resistive) matching network connected directly at the feedpoint of an antenna will modify its resonant frequency.

A matching network connected to the feedpoint of an antenna through 1 inch (25.4mm) of transmission line will also modify the resonant frequency of the antenna.

A matching network connected through 1 meter of transmission line will also modify the resonant frequency of the antenna.

A matching network connected through 10 meters of transmission line will also modify the resonant frequency of the antenna.

And so on, and so forth... all the way back to the shack! ;-)

Why? Because transmission lines obey reciprocity. As such they cannot (aside from the effects of losses) separate what's on their source end from what's on their load end. What you do to one end directly affects the other, and vice versa.

Show me a transmission line that disobeys this property, and I'll show you a line that is either opened or shorted.

So, yes, a non-resistive matching network in the shack will bring your antenna SYSTEM (antenna + transmission line) into resonance at your operating frequency. In the process, the resonant frequency of the antenna is modified, as well.


73 de John, KD2BD
  

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Fri Jul 17 21:59:43 2020
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 18:59:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners
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No antenna has, at any time, anywhere in any of our lifetimes, been 
"tuned" by an "antenna tuner."? So called antenna tuners are 2-port 
impedance matching networks ... all of them ... and their job is to 
match the impedance on one port to another impedance on the second port, 
period.? Nothing gets "tuned."? They come in a variety of flavors ... a 
pair of push-pull 807's with a resonant tank and a link feed to the 
antenna on open wire line is one.? Everything that happens on the feed 
line [regardless of it's construction] is the sole result of the complex 
impedance at the antenna feed point and the characteristic impedance of 
the feedline.? No magic.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
"Captain Obvious"
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/17/2020 5:14 PM, Ken Roberson via Elecraft wrote:
>   Kurt,
> We are not tuning the antenna , we are matching the antenna to the coax at the base of the antenna.
> 73 Ken K5DNL
>
>      On Friday, July 17, 2020, 7:10:32 PM CDT, Kurt Pawlikowski <kurtt at pinrod.com> wrote:
>   
>    
> Ken: In some respects, a "matching device" at the base of the antenna is a tuner! {'-) It accomplishes the same function... {'-) k WB9FMC
>   
>   On 7/17/2020 6:34 PM, Ken Roberson via Elecraft wrote:
>    
>   Antenna tuners
>
> I never use an antenna tuner , on the MF and LF bands realmen use a scopematch at the
>
> Output of the Power Amp and a matching device at the base ofthe vertical antenna ? HI Hi.
>
> 73 Ken K5DNL
>


From barrylazar2 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 22:21:17 2020
From: barrylazar2 at gmail.com (Barry LaZar)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 22:21:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
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Lyn,

 ??? That's a reasonable design, and if you have it high, I am not 
surprised it's working out well for you. Not every ham has the liberty 
to put up, grow, an antenna farm. I am in that position. I have only two 
antennas up, a 20 meter vertical dipole center fed which I operate 20-10 
and feed it with ladder line and an 160 meter inverted L fed at the base 
with a remote tuner. I also have 5 elevated radials of varying length 
connected to the remote tuner , just because. Collectively, they work 
out well. It sometimes amazes me how some wire in a tree or two can be 
used to reach out and touch people. :-) I have never used a beam, but I 
do have a KPA500 and matching tuner which I use primarily for working 
100% duty cycle digital modes. All of my contesting and DX work has been 
at the 100 Watt level, except Field Day when I run QRP. So, good going 
and luck.

73,

Barry

K3NDM


On 7/17/2020 9:18 PM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
> Barry -
>
> +1
>
> I use nothing but 600 ohm OWL (True Ladder Line) and a short piece of coax connects to a 1:1 / 4:1 hybrid balun to allow matching the impedance perfectly with my KAT500.
>
> The antenna is a 360' center fed EDZ (design frequency of 3.5 MHz).  The KAT500 matches it on all bands 160 - 6m (on 15m, it bypasses).
>
> The measured performance indicates  excellent radiation on all bands.
>
> 73
> Lyn, W0LEN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Barry LaZar
> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 7:44 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
>
> Wes,
>
>       You're correct that open wire/ladder line transmission lines are
> not a panacea. But, in the average ham stations, open wire does overcome
> high losses with high SWR, or not so high SWR. What is needed is a look
> at the ARRL Antenna book for transmission line loss/100 ft. as a
> function of SWR. You see that on 10 meters running 10:1 SWR the total
> loss is around 1 db. And, as you go to the lower bands, losses become
> less. Typical 400 Ohm ladder line has a loss of 0.2 db at 10 MHz and 0.6
> db at 100 MHz. Using these data and a little interpolation, I would use
> 0.4 db on 10 meters and a 10:1 SWR for this to be 0.8 db of additional
> loss for a total of about 1.2 db. Yes, I do use a balun and recommend
> them so add another 0.5 db. Add another 0.5 db for a good tuner and we
> end up with a total of 2.2 db. on 10 meters and less on 20 and it
> decomposes to an academic exercise on 40 and down.
>
>       Coax on 10 starts out with a higher loss/100 feet. I will use what
> I use here in K3NDM, Times LMR400. That represents 0.4 at 10 MHz. and
> 1.4 db at 100 MHz. That will yield about 1.2 db/100 ft on 10 meters. Add
> 0.25 db for a 2:1 SWR and 0.5 for tuner loss and you end up with about
> 1.95 at a 2:1 SWR.
>
>       Here coax wins IFF the SWR remains less than 2:1 which won't happen
> over the entire commonly used portion of the band. Using ladder line
> vice coax will contain losses over the entire band. This keeps things
> simple and the cost should be a lot less.
>
>       As to the RCA station with a 14:1 SWR, they used no balun nor tuner
> as we commonly know them today. The coupling to the final tube(s) were
> balanced and was capable of making the transformation from what the tube
> wanted and the reflected impedance at the transmitter end of the
> transmission line. Ergo, they had a very low loss if using 10 meters
> which they didn't. They typically used frequencies below 18 MHz and a
> slug of power.
>
> Vy 73,
>
> Barry
>
> K3NDM
>
>
> On 7/17/2020 6:57 PM, Wes wrote:
>> I wrote about some of this in my paper ARRL Antenna Compendium paper
>> on ladder line 20 years ago. https://sadxa.org/n7ws/Ladder_Line.pdf
>>
>> I've seen pictures of those SW transmitting plants and always assumed
>> that they must have been very efficient.  Upon reflection---no pun
>> intended---now I'm not so sure.  If losses mounted up, (which they
>> most certainly did at 14:1 SWR) they had the option of just turning up
>> the wick.
>>
>> Furthermore, as I said in closing: "Contrary to the conventional
>> wisdom, ladder line is not a panacea for every transmission line
>> problem."  In the ensuing 20 years, I've become even more convinced of
>> this.  When tuner and balun losses are factored into this picture I
>> don't know why anyone would want to use this stuff.  I sure don't.
>>
>> I have a KAT500 and use it to tune some way-off resonant antennas (fed
>> with 7/8" Heliax) but I don't delude myself into thinking "I've
>> contained system losses."
>>
>> Wes  N7WS
>> https://www.qrz.com/db/N7WS
>>
>>
>> On 7/17/2020 2:32 PM, Barry LaZar wrote:
>>> Resonance is over rated. The problem of believing you must have a
>>> resonant antenna arose with the use of coax cable began. High SWRs
>>> causes high system losses.
>>>
>>> Prior to the widespread use of coax, open wire was used and few
>>> antenna systems were really resonant, and nor were they reflecting a
>>> 1:1 SWR. Back then, no one cared as tubes were used and pi-net or
>>> swinging links were used to match to whatever was connected to the
>>> transmitter. In fact, I once visited a site that used rhombic
>>> antennas and Sterba curtains being fed by high power transmitters.
>>> The feed line were copper pipes about 1/4" in diameter and spaced
>>> about 4". The SWR, I was told, was 14:1. I asked if that was a
>>> problem of transferring energy to the system. The answer was no as
>>> the final output stage could match it and the system losses were low
>>> due to the type of feed line used. This was a lesson I learned 60
>>> years ago and haven't forgotten it. The site was the RCA site the
>>> once stood on Montauck Point on Long Island, New York.
>>>
>>> One point that keeps getting forgotten is the conservation of energy
>>> concept. What that means is energy can only be changed and not lost.
>>> Typically that means transmitter energy would be changed to heat, but
>>> not lost. What is not changed to heat on the coax will make it to the
>>> antenna where it MUST be radiated and not lost.  Yhe practical
>>> application of this is use really good coax if you can't get to a
>>> 1:1-2:1 SWR, ot there about. Alternatively, use ladder line and a
>>> current balun. Elecraft tuners easily tune 10:1 SWR which contains
>>> system losses nicely. I have been doing this for a very long time and
>>> have achieved WAS, DXCC phone, DXCC CW, and DXCC digital, and, I'm 13
>>> short on 80 of making 5BDXCC.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Barry
>>>
>>> K3NDM
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From kd2bd at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 17 23:23:31 2020
From: kd2bd at yahoo.com (John Magliacane)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 03:23:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners
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 On Friday, July 17, 2020, 10:03:24 PM EDT, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:

> No antenna has, at any time, anywhere in any of our lifetimes, been
> "tuned" by an "antenna tuner."

Unless the "tuner" is simply a broadband transformer, I might agree.

But if the "tuner" is an LC network, like an adjustable L network, T network, Pi network, or a linked-coupled network, then I strongly disagree.

A tuner is a 2-port network. A transmission line is also a 2-port network. Both networks obey reciprocity, meaning that what you do to one port of the network will have a direct influence on the opposite end.

That being said, if an antenna exhibits a complex impedance at our frequency of interest, and that behavior can be corrected (brought to resonance) by the application of a particular value of reactance at the antenna's feedpoint, then that application of reactance can, for reasons of convenience, be made at the "shack end" of the transmission line. As such, the "tuner" in the shack is really "tuning" the antenna!

There's no "magic" involved here -- just a simple understanding that things that are connected together actually behave like they're connected together. A transmission line doesn't isolate the shack from the antenna: It couples them together with the highest degree of efficiency we can muster/afford. Therefore, what happens at one end of a transmission line DIRECTLY affects the other, and vice versa.

And so, properly applying an adjustable LC impedance matching network in the shack CAN (and often does) modify the resonant frequency of an antenna.


73 de John, KD2BD
  

From ab7echo at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 23:33:03 2020
From: ab7echo at gmail.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 20:33:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners
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That's not in the least true, but those among us fixated on semantics 
continue to push that tired old myth.

You could, for example, have an antenna with a feedpoint impedance of 50 
- j40 ohms, and if you insert 40 ohms worth of inductance in series with 
the feedline at the feedpoint you will TUNE that antenna to resonance 
exactly the same as if you put an appropriate amount of reactance in the 
antenna itself or adjust its length ... all of which do exactly the same 
thing.? The antenna and it's feedline are inseparable as far as the 
overall network is concerned.? One is not independent of the other ... 
ever.

Furthermore, the adjustment (i.e., "tuning") can be done at the shack 
end of the feedline with EXACTLY the same effect except for the 
transmission line transformation by the feedline, and of course its 
associated loss, since whatever is done at the shack end is reflected 
back to the antenna end.

Yours is really a very tedious distinction that has no basis in actual 
physics or network theory.

73,
Dave?? AB7E



On 7/17/2020 6:59 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> No antenna has, at any time, anywhere in any of our lifetimes, been 
> "tuned" by an "antenna tuner."? So called antenna tuners are 2-port 
> impedance matching networks ... all of them ... and their job is to 
> match the impedance on one port to another impedance on the second 
> port, period.? Nothing gets "tuned."? They come in a variety of 
> flavors ... a pair of push-pull 807's with a resonant tank and a link 
> feed to the antenna on open wire line is one. Everything that happens 
> on the feed line [regardless of it's construction] is the sole result 
> of the complex impedance at the antenna feed point and the 
> characteristic impedance of the feedline.? No magic.
>
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> "Captain Obvious"
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County


From rick.nk7i at gmail.com  Sat Jul 18 00:44:20 2020
From: rick.nk7i at gmail.com (Rick NK7I)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 21:44:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners
In-Reply-To: <a5d8a9da-47c2-0dd9-4180-b71e6542b391@foothill.net>
References: <a5d8a9da-47c2-0dd9-4180-b71e6542b391@foothill.net>
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Save one; the screwdriver antenna on my truck is tuned (coil adjusted) by the TurboTuner attached to my radio until a match is found. 

And an argument could be made that a SteppIR controller performs a similar function. 

The rest are matching circuits to compensate for the disparity of input to output.  ?

73,
Rick NK7I

Email spiel Czech corruptions happen

> On Jul 17, 2020, at 7:00 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
> 
> ?No antenna has, at any time, anywhere in any of our lifetimes, been "tuned" by an "antenna tuner."  So called antenna tuners are 2-port impedance matching networks ... all of them ... and their job is to match the impedance on one port to another impedance on the second port, period.  Nothing gets "tuned."  They come in a variety of flavors ... a pair of push-pull 807's with a resonant tank and a link feed to the antenna on open wire line is one.  Everything that happens on the feed line [regardless of it's construction] is the sole result of the complex impedance at the antenna feed point and the characteristic impedance of the feedline.  No magic.
> 
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> "Captain Obvious"
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
>> On 7/17/2020 5:14 PM, Ken Roberson via Elecraft wrote:
>>  Kurt,
>> We are not tuning the antenna , we are matching the antenna to the coax at the base of the antenna.
>> 73 Ken K5DNL
>> 
>>     On Friday, July 17, 2020, 7:10:32 PM CDT, Kurt Pawlikowski <kurtt at pinrod.com> wrote:
>>     Ken: In some respects, a "matching device" at the base of the antenna is a tuner! {'-) It accomplishes the same function... {'-) k WB9FMC
>>    On 7/17/2020 6:34 PM, Ken Roberson via Elecraft wrote:
>>     Antenna tuners
>> 
>> I never use an antenna tuner , on the MF and LF bands realmen use a scopematch at the
>> 
>> Output of the Power Amp and a matching device at the base ofthe vertical antenna ? HI Hi.
>> 
>> 73 Ken K5DNL
>> 
> 
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From w4ien at comcast.net  Sat Jul 18 01:09:38 2020
From: w4ien at comcast.net (W4IEN)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 01:09:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Backlight Parts for K2
Message-ID: <mailman.137.1595048985.3112.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

If anyone has the parts for the backlight mod for the K2 and are willing to sell them I am interested.  Please let me know price.  Thanks in advance.

72/73,
EM73vx
Robin
G-QRP #12386
SKCC #7294
W4IEN?
w4ien at comcast.net



From 73.de.ne1ee at gmail.com  Sat Jul 18 06:09:11 2020
From: 73.de.ne1ee at gmail.com (Rich NE1EE)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 06:09:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
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This actually surfaces a question that I am currently wondering about with my own system...what is measured performance here? I have a 40m EF wire about 20m in the air, and I wonder how effective it is at radiating. I have good SWR, and I get good signal reports, but wonder if that is the whole picture?

~R~
72/73 de Rich NE1EE
On the banks of the Piscataqua

On 2020-07-17 20:18:-0500, Lyn Norstad wrote:

>The measured performance indicates  excellent radiation on all bands.
>
>73
>Lyn, W0LEN


From charlestropp at gmail.com  Sat Jul 18 06:47:33 2020
From: charlestropp at gmail.com (Charles Tropp)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 06:47:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] WANTED ELECRAFT P3
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Please direct your response off list.

-- 
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From charlestropp at gmail.com  Sat Jul 18 06:48:53 2020
From: charlestropp at gmail.com (Charles Tropp)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 06:48:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] WANTED ELECRAFT KTA500 Auto Tuner
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Please direct your response off list.

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From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Sat Jul 18 07:20:47 2020
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 06:20:47 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
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Rich -

While I would like to be able to say that I have taken exhaustive field
strength readings in all directions on all bands at appropriate distances,
such is not the case ... nor will it ever be.  I base my performance
assessment on reception reports (PSKreporter, etc.) and actual QSOs compared
to what I would predict based on NEC pattern data along with predicted
propagation.

The bottom line is that I have WAS on 160, 80, 40, 30 and 20 meters, DXCC
(actually 145 countries) and a host of other "awards" that just popped up in
the normal course of having fun and hamming it up.
And most of that was with 100 watts or less, and all of it in the 14 months
since I put up this antenna.

For me, that IS the whole picture.

73
Lyn, W0LEN

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rich NE1EE
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 5:09 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas

This actually surfaces a question that I am currently wondering about with
my own system...what is measured performance here? I have a 40m EF wire
about 20m in the air, and I wonder how effective it is at radiating. I have
good SWR, and I get good signal reports, but wonder if that is the whole
picture?

~R~
72/73 de Rich NE1EE
On the banks of the Piscataqua

On 2020-07-17 20:18:-0500, Lyn Norstad wrote:

>The measured performance indicates  excellent radiation on all bands.
>
>73
>Lyn, W0LEN

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From 73.de.ne1ee at gmail.com  Sat Jul 18 08:05:00 2020
From: 73.de.ne1ee at gmail.com (Rich NE1EE)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 08:05:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
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	<034601d65ca1$4ed1a320$ec74e960$@LNAINC.com>
	<5f12cc5b.1c69fb81.82680.2b92@mx.google.com>
	<004001d65cf5$7ca2b830$75e82890$@LNAINC.com>
Message-ID: <5f12e589.1c69fb81.56c24.088e@mx.google.com>

Great answer. Thanks much for the reality check. And this summer I was told of the reverse beacon system, too, and I intend to see how that goes. I am just getting back into HF after many years hiatus due to jobs and moving, and started learning Morse code May 1. I intend to make my first contacts in the next week, stumbling as they may be ;-) Ya gotta get wet to go swimming! I am inclined to use the least power I need, and have been following that principle since the early days. I am making a small AFC feedback circuit for my TS-830 to be able to run its power back from the 100/220W it runs at full speed. (No, I am not loading it into a wheelbarrow and carting it into the hills ;-)

I have a KX2 on order, and have been assembling parts for hiking trips: antenna, battery, key. I spend a lot of time outdoors, and figure I might as well add ham to that and enjoy the best of both worlds. I expect to be on the air on some mountain in NH by mid Aug, if the KX2 gets here by then. I fully understand the delays, so not impatient. ;-) Well, maybe a little...

Found a YouTube on PSKreporter, so will check that out.

Kind regards,
Rich

On 2020-07-18 06:20:-0500, Lyn Norstad wrote:
>Rich -
>
>While I would like to be able to say that I have taken exhaustive field
>strength readings in all directions on all bands at appropriate distances,
>such is not the case ... nor will it ever be.  I base my performance
>assessment on reception reports (PSKreporter, etc.) and actual QSOs compared
>to what I would predict based on NEC pattern data along with predicted
>propagation.
>
>The bottom line is that I have WAS on 160, 80, 40, 30 and 20 meters, DXCC
>(actually 145 countries) and a host of other "awards" that just popped up in
>the normal course of having fun and hamming it up.
>And most of that was with 100 watts or less, and all of it in the 14 months
>since I put up this antenna.
>
>For me, that IS the whole picture.
>
>73
>Lyn, W0LEN
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rich NE1EE
>Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 5:09 AM
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
>
>This actually surfaces a question that I am currently wondering about with
>my own system...what is measured performance here? I have a 40m EF wire
>about 20m in the air, and I wonder how effective it is at radiating. I have
>good SWR, and I get good signal reports, but wonder if that is the whole
>picture?
>
>~R~
>72/73 de Rich NE1EE
>On the banks of the Piscataqua
>
>On 2020-07-17 20:18:-0500, Lyn Norstad wrote:
>
>>The measured performance indicates  excellent radiation on all bands.
>>
>>73
>>Lyn, W0LEN


From jim at n7us.net  Sat Jul 18 08:10:34 2020
From: jim at n7us.net (Jim McDonald)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 07:10:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 center frequency
Message-ID: <CAGYgfuO4vP5YXcCDUujYkB8+Z5Y3ujRyi13r=5qRN2D4ZqL+mA@mail.gmail.com>

Why doesn't the P3 always remember the same center frequency when returning
to the band?

Jim N7US

From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Sat Jul 18 08:25:29 2020
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (tony.kaz at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 08:25:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 in production
In-Reply-To: <77bc8d68-7f79-bdf8-c886-2bebd4c59ffe@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CAGAru0_HHfRTVRdSs439xfYUxqf4C1N_GrxMokZpieL64Cc1Og@mail.gmail.com>	<E7C2DF45-8AB2-4C2B-9AE9-60864FA4FB71@ko8v.net>	<CADkB6UqAShUcW5KncPaUyp2Nu1fhWQ1KXQca5Tskz9wTvtZyJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<77bc8d68-7f79-bdf8-c886-2bebd4c59ffe@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <023a01d65cfe$86974f00$93c5ed00$@verizon.net>

I would like to comment a little about the shipment of parts. Our company is
a USA company making discrete semiconductors. We are considered essential.
So, we have been open throughout this pandemic. 
We have a packaging and test facility in the Philippines for some of our
parts. Many component manufactures use Southeast Asia for packaging and
testing. It is not just the Covid-19 that has had an immense effect on
getting parts out of that region, but also the earthquakes, especially the
one on 2/16. We have not seen any parts out of that region since the
earthquake. In June Luzon opened up again. But you just don't start shipping
parts right away. You first got to perform maintenance on the equipment, run
quals and make a preproduction run. Even though our plant turned on in June,
we don't expect any parts till the end of August, at the earliest.    
And don't forget about shipping. Even your Amazon Prime shipments may take
longer these days. And that is especially apparent when importing parts.
Things don't clear customs as quickly as they used to.
So, even essential businesses are having trouble getting parts. 
We are all affected in some way with Covid-19. 
72,
N2TK, Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Jim Brown
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 4:18 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 in production

On 7/16/2020 10:20 AM, Tox wrote:
> The parts availability issue was supposed to have been resolved pre-covid.

To varying degrees, the whole world is affected by COVID, including
manufacturers and distributors of parts. Few are designated as essential.

73, Jim K9YC
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From w2xj at w2xj.net  Sat Jul 18 08:36:47 2020
From: w2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 08:36:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
In-Reply-To: <034601d65ca1$4ed1a320$ec74e960$@LNAINC.com>
References: <034601d65ca1$4ed1a320$ec74e960$@LNAINC.com>
Message-ID: <8BD199E8-CCBD-44AF-A379-134EC0A87C26@w2xj.net>

What is changing is the radiation pattern. As the frequency increases the pattern becomes more sidelobes. Some of those sidelobes are bigger than the main lobe and they radiate  ?somewhere?. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 17, 2020, at 21:19, Lyn Norstad <Lyn at lnainc.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Barry -
> 
> +1
> 
> I use nothing but 600 ohm OWL (True Ladder Line) and a short piece of coax connects to a 1:1 / 4:1 hybrid balun to allow matching the impedance perfectly with my KAT500.
> 
> The antenna is a 360' center fed EDZ (design frequency of 3.5 MHz).  The KAT500 matches it on all bands 160 - 6m (on 15m, it bypasses).
> 
> The measured performance indicates  excellent radiation on all bands.
> 
> 73
> Lyn, W0LEN
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Barry LaZar
> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 7:44 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
> 
> Wes,
> 
>     You're correct that open wire/ladder line transmission lines are 
> not a panacea. But, in the average ham stations, open wire does overcome 
> high losses with high SWR, or not so high SWR. What is needed is a look 
> at the ARRL Antenna book for transmission line loss/100 ft. as a 
> function of SWR. You see that on 10 meters running 10:1 SWR the total 
> loss is around 1 db. And, as you go to the lower bands, losses become 
> less. Typical 400 Ohm ladder line has a loss of 0.2 db at 10 MHz and 0.6 
> db at 100 MHz. Using these data and a little interpolation, I would use 
> 0.4 db on 10 meters and a 10:1 SWR for this to be 0.8 db of additional 
> loss for a total of about 1.2 db. Yes, I do use a balun and recommend 
> them so add another 0.5 db. Add another 0.5 db for a good tuner and we 
> end up with a total of 2.2 db. on 10 meters and less on 20 and it 
> decomposes to an academic exercise on 40 and down.
> 
>     Coax on 10 starts out with a higher loss/100 feet. I will use what 
> I use here in K3NDM, Times LMR400. That represents 0.4 at 10 MHz. and 
> 1.4 db at 100 MHz. That will yield about 1.2 db/100 ft on 10 meters. Add 
> 0.25 db for a 2:1 SWR and 0.5 for tuner loss and you end up with about 
> 


From KI4LYS at msn.com  Sat Jul 18 09:50:12 2020
From: KI4LYS at msn.com (Joseph McIntire)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 13:50:12 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] xv50
Message-ID: <BN7PR15MB2226B15F8A92FF798A0010F2957D0@BN7PR15MB2226.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

Hello everyone. I just wanted to give an update and post a question. I spoke with don last week was working on a few xv transverters. After speaking with don I found the control cable from the K-3 was not fully seating in the plug due to screws on the plug were not in there proper place. Fixed that and everything started to work. But I was having some stability problems with the XV144 model transverter Don once again stated to check the attachment of the power module that it is grounded through the board where bolted to it. I also to some pics of the board. And for some reason when I looked at them I noticed all the flux I had not cleaned off the board. Never really noticed it much before even when looking at it through a large lighted magnifying glass. So I cleaned up the board. And the instructions have you putting a small washer between the board and the power module. So as he stated the is where the grounding is happening and a bad ground would affect the stability. I replaced the washers with ones slightly larger to give a little more contact area. I believe it was Don that told me Elecraft sells or did sell A power module that the mounting area is thicker so there is no washers required there used as a spacer. But now everything is good. When I turn it on cold I will get about 22 watts out with 20 indicated. When I leave it on for a hour or so and everything is up to temp. I get about 20 watts out with 20 still indicated. So every thing seems to be good on the XV144 model.
                The question I have is on the XV50 At first it did not work I found Q5 to not be biasing. So I replaced it. This kit was partially put together by my father in law who purchased it before he passed. Then about ten years later I decided to finish it. But any how when I went to replace Q5 it looked like two of the legs may have been solder bridged and shorted. Maybe it as not bad. But I was already unsoldering it and had a new one so I just went ahead and replaced it. Then it would turn on after that. Then in the alignment I was not getting voltage at TP5 with the radio keyed. Re soldered some joint I found that looked suspect and once again cleaned all the flux from the board. I had voltage at TP5 for a short time. Then it went away upon investigating I realized I did not have that coax selected at the coax switch to go to the dummy. So I guess I transmitted into an open ended coax. Probably SWR way to high. And I probably burned up the power module. Looking from the front of the Xverter on the third lead toward the rear I have 13 VDC. On the second one back I get 4.4 VDC when keying. But never get any worth while at the fourth one back. All I get there is about .011  when keyed. So IT looks like the power module is getting power and is being keyed but I am not getting anything out of it. Just hoping for someone to tell me if this is correct and maybe if I can get this part from Elecraft or not.

Joe AB3JN

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From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Sat Jul 18 10:03:39 2020
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 09:03:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
In-Reply-To: <8BD199E8-CCBD-44AF-A379-134EC0A87C26@w2xj.net>
References: <034601d65ca1$4ed1a320$ec74e960$@LNAINC.com>
	<8BD199E8-CCBD-44AF-A379-134EC0A87C26@w2xj.net>
Message-ID: <00b001d65d0c$3d319a60$b794cf20$@LNAINC.com>

Exactly.

-----Original Message-----
From: W2xj [mailto:w2xj at w2xj.net] 
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 7:37 AM
To: Lyn at lnainc.com
Cc: barrylazar2 at gmail.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas

What is changing is the radiation pattern. As the frequency increases the pattern becomes more sidelobes. Some of those sidelobes are bigger than the main lobe and they radiate  ?somewhere?. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 17, 2020, at 21:19, Lyn Norstad <Lyn at lnainc.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Barry -
> 
> +1
> 
> I use nothing but 600 ohm OWL (True Ladder Line) and a short piece of coax connects to a 1:1 / 4:1 hybrid balun to allow matching the impedance perfectly with my KAT500.
> 
> The antenna is a 360' center fed EDZ (design frequency of 3.5 MHz).  The KAT500 matches it on all bands 160 - 6m (on 15m, it bypasses).
> 
> The measured performance indicates  excellent radiation on all bands.
> 
> 73
> Lyn, W0LEN
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Barry LaZar
> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 7:44 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
> 
> Wes,
> 
>     You're correct that open wire/ladder line transmission lines are 
> not a panacea. But, in the average ham stations, open wire does overcome 
> high losses with high SWR, or not so high SWR. What is needed is a look 
> at the ARRL Antenna book for transmission line loss/100 ft. as a 
> function of SWR. You see that on 10 meters running 10:1 SWR the total 
> loss is around 1 db. And, as you go to the lower bands, losses become 
> less. Typical 400 Ohm ladder line has a loss of 0.2 db at 10 MHz and 0.6 
> db at 100 MHz. Using these data and a little interpolation, I would use 
> 0.4 db on 10 meters and a 10:1 SWR for this to be 0.8 db of additional 
> loss for a total of about 1.2 db. Yes, I do use a balun and recommend 
> them so add another 0.5 db. Add another 0.5 db for a good tuner and we 
> end up with a total of 2.2 db. on 10 meters and less on 20 and it 
> decomposes to an academic exercise on 40 and down.
> 
>     Coax on 10 starts out with a higher loss/100 feet. I will use what 
> I use here in K3NDM, Times LMR400. That represents 0.4 at 10 MHz. and 
> 1.4 db at 100 MHz. That will yield about 1.2 db/100 ft on 10 meters. Add 
> 0.25 db for a 2:1 SWR and 0.5 for tuner loss and you end up with about 
> 



From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Sat Jul 18 10:38:55 2020
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 10:38:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 and RTTY question
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-0558320258CB41D481CE42FB369F0175@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

I'm getting ready for NAQP RTTY today, and I am reminded of an 
old bug using the KY CAT command to send RTTY text. I am using 
RUMlogNG on my MacBook Pro in contest mode which uses the CAT 
interface to send and receive RTTY. (It also uses CAT with CW.)

If I try to chain output, e.g. press the function key to send my 
callsign several times, frequently the first parts of the 
chained output are dropped, as shown by the text shown in the 
VFO-B display.

This does not occur on CW, so I think the CW to Data conversion 
may be involved. The command is defined in the programmer's 
Reference as:

   KY (CW or CW-to-DATA Keying from Text;

If I chain by using a K3 memory and pressing the M1-4 button 
several times, the VFO-B display shows "CHAIN" and things appear 
to work correctly.

I will admit, that while I can check what is being sent by 
listening to the monitor tones with CW, but I can't quite be 
sure about the RTTY.

Will this problem be fixed on the K4?

73 Bill AE6JV

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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sat Jul 18 11:11:33 2020
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 11:11:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 center frequency
In-Reply-To: <CAGYgfuO4vP5YXcCDUujYkB8+Z5Y3ujRyi13r=5qRN2D4ZqL+mA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGYgfuO4vP5YXcCDUujYkB8+Z5Y3ujRyi13r=5qRN2D4ZqL+mA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC02915-8046-43FF-84C3-80B0EB24E1BF@widomaker.com>

Doesn?t the P3 get its frequency from the radio?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 18, 2020, at 8:12 AM, Jim McDonald <jim at n7us.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Why doesn't the P3 always remember the same center frequency when returning
> to the band?
> 
> Jim N7US
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From oz7bq at yahoo.dk  Sat Jul 18 11:19:37 2020
From: oz7bq at yahoo.dk (oz7bq)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 17:19:37 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 poping audio noise on 10 and 6M.
Message-ID: <mailman.139.1595085591.3112.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Hello all,
It has recently been possible to enjoy nice 10 an 6 M sporadic E openings.
However I experience that strong RF signals generate a poping audio noise on my KX3 sn 181X, when I rotate the VFO A knob.
There is no distorting noise when rotating the VFO B knob, nor when N1MM+ or DXLab Commander is used to software control the VFO A.

Hopefully someone can point to a way to eliminate the noise, which I guess must have something to do with the VFO A encoder.

Wishing all a nice DX weekend
73
OZ7BQ, Hans Joergen (Joe).


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From ted.roycraft at gmail.com  Sat Jul 18 11:21:34 2020
From: ted.roycraft at gmail.com (Ted Roycraft)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 11:21:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
In-Reply-To: <00b001d65d0c$3d319a60$b794cf20$@LNAINC.com>
References: <034601d65ca1$4ed1a320$ec74e960$@LNAINC.com>
	<8BD199E8-CCBD-44AF-A379-134EC0A87C26@w2xj.net>
	<00b001d65d0c$3d319a60$b794cf20$@LNAINC.com>
Message-ID: <CAEhjuxFHpaxsWWd1F+7vzQB_uB1x3qY7bohoA+GZd4vnZuwogA@mail.gmail.com>

Walter Maxwell?s interesting book, ?Reflections?, has an in-depth
discussion on non-resonant antennas and tuners. Highly recommended.

73, Ted, W2ZK

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 10:05 AM Lyn Norstad <Lyn at lnainc.com> wrote:

> Exactly.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: W2xj [mailto:w2xj at w2xj.net]
> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 7:37 AM
> To: Lyn at lnainc.com
> Cc: barrylazar2 at gmail.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
>
> What is changing is the radiation pattern. As the frequency increases the
> pattern becomes more sidelobes. Some of those sidelobes are bigger than the
> main lobe and they radiate  ?somewhere?.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 17, 2020, at 21:19, Lyn Norstad <Lyn at lnainc.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Barry -
> >
> > +1
> >
> > I use nothing but 600 ohm OWL (True Ladder Line) and a short piece of
> coax connects to a 1:1 / 4:1 hybrid balun to allow matching the impedance
> perfectly with my KAT500.
> >
> > The antenna is a 360' center fed EDZ (design frequency of 3.5 MHz).  The
> KAT500 matches it on all bands 160 - 6m (on 15m, it bypasses).
> >
> > The measured performance indicates  excellent radiation on all bands.
> >
> > 73
> > Lyn, W0LEN
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:
> elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Barry LaZar
> > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 7:44 PM
> > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
> >
> > Wes,
> >
> >     You're correct that open wire/ladder line transmission lines are
> > not a panacea. But, in the average ham stations, open wire does overcome
> > high losses with high SWR, or not so high SWR. What is needed is a look
> > at the ARRL Antenna book for transmission line loss/100 ft. as a
> > function of SWR. You see that on 10 meters running 10:1 SWR the total
> > loss is around 1 db. And, as you go to the lower bands, losses become
> > less. Typical 400 Ohm ladder line has a loss of 0.2 db at 10 MHz and 0.6
> > db at 100 MHz. Using these data and a little interpolation, I would use
> > 0.4 db on 10 meters and a 10:1 SWR for this to be 0.8 db of additional
> > loss for a total of about 1.2 db. Yes, I do use a balun and recommend
> > them so add another 0.5 db. Add another 0.5 db for a good tuner and we
> > end up with a total of 2.2 db. on 10 meters and less on 20 and it
> > decomposes to an academic exercise on 40 and down.
> >
> >     Coax on 10 starts out with a higher loss/100 feet. I will use what
> > I use here in K3NDM, Times LMR400. That represents 0.4 at 10 MHz. and
> > 1.4 db at 100 MHz. That will yield about 1.2 db/100 ft on 10 meters. Add
> > 0.25 db for a 2:1 SWR and 0.5 for tuner loss and you end up with about
> >
>
>
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Jul 18 11:32:11 2020
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 08:32:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners
In-Reply-To: <5A8890AA-9735-4105-A02B-13079BC47B47@gmail.com>
References: <a5d8a9da-47c2-0dd9-4180-b71e6542b391@foothill.net>
	<5A8890AA-9735-4105-A02B-13079BC47B47@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3a607628-66a1-e0a4-3568-cb32f88a549a@foothill.net>

And the Texas Bug Catcher, Webster BandSpanner, SteppIR's, et al.? All 
represent changes to the antenna itself, which would also include 
changing the height [e.g. cranking the tower up and down] and possibly 
cutting down nearby trees or metal buildings [:=).? Any change to the 
antenna itself or its near-field environment will affect the feed point 
complex impedance.? This would include adding traps, inductors, and 
capacitors to the antenna.

When you're done flutzing with the antenna itself, you are stuck with 
whatever complex impedance you find at the feed point.? AM broadcast 
verticals are generally engineered for coverage near the edges of the 
market area, meeting non-interference FS requirements, and minimizing 
self-cancellation between the ground and sky wave.? Something in the 
vicinity of 195 degrees is generally optimal.? They are not usually 
resonant and there will be fixed matching network(s) at the base(s) ... 
AM broadcast stations aren't known to QSY much.

I'm not familiar with the TurboTuner however many mechanical antenna 
adjusters operated by driving the phase angle between voltage and 
current to zero, that is effectively bringing the antenna into resonance 
so the feedline sees a resistive load. It's up to you to design the 
antenna so that resistive load matches the characteristic impedance of 
the feedline OR put a matching network between the feedline and the 
antenna feedpoint OR tolerate the SWR on the line and put the matching 
network in the shack.? Pick one.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/17/2020 9:44 PM, Rick NK7I wrote:
> Save one; the screwdriver antenna on my truck is tuned (coil adjusted) by the TurboTuner attached to my radio until a match is found.
>
> And an argument could be made that a SteppIR controller performs a similar function.
>
> The rest are matching circuits to compensate for the disparity of input to output.  ?
>
> 73,
> Rick NK7I
>
> Email spiel Czech corruptions happen
>
>> On Jul 17, 2020, at 7:00 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?No antenna has, at any time, anywhere in any of our lifetimes, been "tuned" by an "antenna tuner."  So called antenna tuners are 2-port impedance matching networks ... all of them ... and their job is to match the impedance on one port to another impedance on the second port, period.  Nothing gets "tuned."  They come in a variety of flavors ... a pair of push-pull 807's with a resonant tank and a link feed to the antenna on open wire line is one.  Everything that happens on the feed line [regardless of it's construction] is the sole result of the complex impedance at the antenna feed point and the characteristic impedance of the feedline.  No magic.
>>
>> 73,
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> "Captain Obvious"
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>>
>>> On 7/17/2020 5:14 PM, Ken Roberson via Elecraft wrote:
>>>   Kurt,
>>> We are not tuning the antenna , we are matching the antenna to the coax at the base of the antenna.
>>> 73 Ken K5DNL
>>>
>>>      On Friday, July 17, 2020, 7:10:32 PM CDT, Kurt Pawlikowski <kurtt at pinrod.com> wrote:
>>>      Ken: In some respects, a "matching device" at the base of the antenna is a tuner! {'-) It accomplishes the same function... {'-) k WB9FMC
>>>     On 7/17/2020 6:34 PM, Ken Roberson via Elecraft wrote:
>>>      Antenna tuners
>>>
>>> I never use an antenna tuner , on the MF and LF bands realmen use a scopematch at the
>>>
>>> Output of the Power Amp and a matching device at the base ofthe vertical antenna ? HI Hi.
>>>
>>> 73 Ken K5DNL
>>>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Jul 18 12:34:06 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 12:34:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] xv50
In-Reply-To: <BN7PR15MB2226B15F8A92FF798A0010F2957D0@BN7PR15MB2226.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN7PR15MB2226B15F8A92FF798A0010F2957D0@BN7PR15MB2226.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <af92641f-3080-a0db-8908-b00f909e5bef@embarqmail.com>

Joe,

Great that you now have the XV144 now stable.

It would appear that the power module has gone "belly up".  I don't know 
if Elecraft has any left (the XV50 was discontinued), but you can check. 
  Also check at RF Parts to see if you can find one.
As I recall, that power module was discontinued.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/18/2020 9:50 AM, Joseph McIntire wrote:

>                  The question I have is on the XV50 At first it did not work I found Q5 to not be biasing. So I replaced it. This kit was partially put together by my father in law who purchased it before he passed. Then about ten years later I decided to finish it. But any how when I went to replace Q5 it looked like two of the legs may have been solder bridged and shorted. Maybe it as not bad. But I was already unsoldering it and had a new one so I just went ahead and replaced it. Then it would turn on after that. Then in the alignment I was not getting voltage at TP5 with the radio keyed. Re soldered some joint I found that looked suspect and once again cleaned all the flux from the board. I had voltage at TP5 for a short time. Then it went away upon investigating I realized I did not have that coax selected at the coax switch to go to the dummy. So I guess I transmitted into an open ended coax. Probably SWR way to high. And I probably burned up the power module. Looking fr
>   om the front of the Xverter on the third lead toward the rear I have 13 VDC. On the second one back I get 4.4 VDC when keying. But never get any worth while at the fourth one back. All I get there is about .011  when keyed. So IT looks like the power module is getting power and is being keyed but I am not getting anything out of it. Just hoping for someone to tell me if this is correct and maybe if I can get this part from Elecraft or not.
> 
>

From ki4lys at msn.com  Sat Jul 18 12:35:47 2020
From: ki4lys at msn.com (Joseph McIntire)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 16:35:47 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] xv50
In-Reply-To: <af92641f-3080-a0db-8908-b00f909e5bef@embarqmail.com>
References: <BN7PR15MB2226B15F8A92FF798A0010F2957D0@BN7PR15MB2226.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>,
	<af92641f-3080-a0db-8908-b00f909e5bef@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <BN7PR15MB22266F23BCEB86303A4F4A80957D0@BN7PR15MB2226.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

Ok thanks for the info once again  don.

Joe AB3JN

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________________________________
From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 11:34:06 AM
To: Joseph McIntire <KI4LYS at msn.com>; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] xv50

Joe,

Great that you now have the XV144 now stable.

It would appear that the power module has gone "belly up".  I don't know
if Elecraft has any left (the XV50 was discontinued), but you can check.
  Also check at RF Parts to see if you can find one.
As I recall, that power module was discontinued.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/18/2020 9:50 AM, Joseph McIntire wrote:

>                  The question I have is on the XV50 At first it did not work I found Q5 to not be biasing. So I replaced it. This kit was partially put together by my father in law who purchased it before he passed. Then about ten years later I decided to finish it. But any how when I went to replace Q5 it looked like two of the legs may have been solder bridged and shorted. Maybe it as not bad. But I was already unsoldering it and had a new one so I just went ahead and replaced it. Then it would turn on after that. Then in the alignment I was not getting voltage at TP5 with the radio keyed. Re soldered some joint I found that looked suspect and once again cleaned all the flux from the board. I had voltage at TP5 for a short time. Then it went away upon investigating I realized I did not have that coax selected at the coax switch to go to the dummy. So I guess I transmitted into an open ended coax. Probably SWR way to high. And I probably burned up the power module. Looking fr
>   om the front of the Xverter on the third lead toward the rear I have 13 VDC. On the second one back I get 4.4 VDC when keying. But never get any worth while at the fourth one back. All I get there is about .011  when keyed. So IT looks like the power module is getting power and is being keyed but I am not getting anything out of it. Just hoping for someone to tell me if this is correct and maybe if I can get this part from Elecraft or not.
>
>

From ki4lys at msn.com  Sat Jul 18 12:44:00 2020
From: ki4lys at msn.com (Joseph McIntire)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 16:44:00 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] xv50
In-Reply-To: <BN7PR15MB22266F23BCEB86303A4F4A80957D0@BN7PR15MB2226.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN7PR15MB2226B15F8A92FF798A0010F2957D0@BN7PR15MB2226.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>,
	<af92641f-3080-a0db-8908-b00f909e5bef@embarqmail.com>,
	<BN7PR15MB22266F23BCEB86303A4F4A80957D0@BN7PR15MB2226.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BN7PR15MB22269D7298EFE0F06DC1A08A957D0@BN7PR15MB2226.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

Don I found  one online  same part  number  says 68-88 MHz, 30 watt, 12.5 V is that the correct one.

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Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 11:35:47 AM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>; donwilh at embarqmail.com <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] xv50

Ok thanks for the info once again  don.

Joe AB3JN

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________________________________
From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 11:34:06 AM
To: Joseph McIntire <KI4LYS at msn.com>; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] xv50

Joe,

Great that you now have the XV144 now stable.

It would appear that the power module has gone "belly up".  I don't know
if Elecraft has any left (the XV50 was discontinued), but you can check.
  Also check at RF Parts to see if you can find one.
As I recall, that power module was discontinued.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/18/2020 9:50 AM, Joseph McIntire wrote:

>                  The question I have is on the XV50 At first it did not work I found Q5 to not be biasing. So I replaced it. This kit was partially put together by my father in law who purchased it before he passed. Then about ten years later I decided to finish it. But any how when I went to replace Q5 it looked like two of the legs may have been solder bridged and shorted. Maybe it as not bad. But I was already unsoldering it and had a new one so I just went ahead and replaced it. Then it would turn on after that. Then in the alignment I was not getting voltage at TP5 with the radio keyed. Re soldered some joint I found that looked suspect and once again cleaned all the flux from the board. I had voltage at TP5 for a short time. Then it went away upon investigating I realized I did not have that coax selected at the coax switch to go to the dummy. So I guess I transmitted into an open ended coax. Probably SWR way to high. And I probably burned up the power module. Looking
  fr
>   om the front of the Xverter on the third lead toward the rear I have 13 VDC. On the second one back I get 4.4 VDC when keying. But never get any worth while at the fourth one back. All I get there is about .011  when keyed. So IT looks like the power module is getting power and is being keyed but I am not getting anything out of it. Just hoping for someone to tell me if this is correct and maybe if I can get this part from Elecraft or not.
>
>
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From ki4lys at msn.com  Sat Jul 18 12:57:34 2020
From: ki4lys at msn.com (Joseph McIntire)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 16:57:34 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] xv50
In-Reply-To: <BN7PR15MB22269D7298EFE0F06DC1A08A957D0@BN7PR15MB2226.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN7PR15MB2226B15F8A92FF798A0010F2957D0@BN7PR15MB2226.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>,
	<af92641f-3080-a0db-8908-b00f909e5bef@embarqmail.com>,
	<BN7PR15MB22266F23BCEB86303A4F4A80957D0@BN7PR15MB2226.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>,
	<BN7PR15MB22269D7298EFE0F06DC1A08A957D0@BN7PR15MB2226.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BN7PR15MB22265423DB6FB5C550C16284957D0@BN7PR15MB2226.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

Rf parts still has a limited supply of them.

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Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 11:44:00 AM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>; donwilh at embarqmail.com <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] xv50

Don I found  one online  same part  number  says 68-88 MHz, 30 watt, 12.5 V is that the correct one.

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Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 11:35:47 AM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>; donwilh at embarqmail.com <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] xv50

Ok thanks for the info once again  don.

Joe AB3JN

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________________________________
From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 11:34:06 AM
To: Joseph McIntire <KI4LYS at msn.com>; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] xv50

Joe,

Great that you now have the XV144 now stable.

It would appear that the power module has gone "belly up".  I don't know
if Elecraft has any left (the XV50 was discontinued), but you can check.
  Also check at RF Parts to see if you can find one.
As I recall, that power module was discontinued.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/18/2020 9:50 AM, Joseph McIntire wrote:

>                  The question I have is on the XV50 At first it did not work I found Q5 to not be biasing. So I replaced it. This kit was partially put together by my father in law who purchased it before he passed. Then about ten years later I decided to finish it. But any how when I went to replace Q5 it looked like two of the legs may have been solder bridged and shorted. Maybe it as not bad. But I was already unsoldering it and had a new one so I just went ahead and replaced it. Then it would turn on after that. Then in the alignment I was not getting voltage at TP5 with the radio keyed. Re soldered some joint I found that looked suspect and once again cleaned all the flux from the board. I had voltage at TP5 for a short time. Then it went away upon investigating I realized I did not have that coax selected at the coax switch to go to the dummy. So I guess I transmitted into an open ended coax. Probably SWR way to high. And I probably burned up the power module. Looking
  fr
>   om the front of the Xverter on the third lead toward the rear I have 13 VDC. On the second one back I get 4.4 VDC when keying. But never get any worth while at the fourth one back. All I get there is about .011  when keyed. So IT looks like the power module is getting power and is being keyed but I am not getting anything out of it. Just hoping for someone to tell me if this is correct and maybe if I can get this part from Elecraft or not.
>
>
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From ki4lys at msn.com  Sat Jul 18 13:01:10 2020
From: ki4lys at msn.com (Joseph McIntire)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 17:01:10 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] xv50
In-Reply-To: <BN7PR15MB22265423DB6FB5C550C16284957D0@BN7PR15MB2226.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN7PR15MB2226B15F8A92FF798A0010F2957D0@BN7PR15MB2226.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>,
	<af92641f-3080-a0db-8908-b00f909e5bef@embarqmail.com>,
	<BN7PR15MB22266F23BCEB86303A4F4A80957D0@BN7PR15MB2226.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>,
	<BN7PR15MB22269D7298EFE0F06DC1A08A957D0@BN7PR15MB2226.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>,
	<BN7PR15MB22265423DB6FB5C550C16284957D0@BN7PR15MB2226.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BN7PR15MB2226E44DE9D9A2400E4FD5F3957D0@BN7PR15MB2226.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

If the specs I gave is the correct one that is. I think it is correct due to the part numbers are the same.  Just the 68-88 MHz through me off a little.

Joe AB3JN

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To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>; donwilh at embarqmail.com <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] xv50

Rf parts still has a limited supply of them.

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Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 11:44:00 AM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>; donwilh at embarqmail.com <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] xv50

Don I found  one online  same part  number  says 68-88 MHz, 30 watt, 12.5 V is that the correct one.

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To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>; donwilh at embarqmail.com <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] xv50

Ok thanks for the info once again  don.

Joe AB3JN

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________________________________
From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 11:34:06 AM
To: Joseph McIntire <KI4LYS at msn.com>; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] xv50

Joe,

Great that you now have the XV144 now stable.

It would appear that the power module has gone "belly up".  I don't know
if Elecraft has any left (the XV50 was discontinued), but you can check.
  Also check at RF Parts to see if you can find one.
As I recall, that power module was discontinued.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/18/2020 9:50 AM, Joseph McIntire wrote:

>                  The question I have is on the XV50 At first it did not work I found Q5 to not be biasing. So I replaced it. This kit was partially put together by my father in law who purchased it before he passed. Then about ten years later I decided to finish it. But any how when I went to replace Q5 it looked like two of the legs may have been solder bridged and shorted. Maybe it as not bad. But I was already unsoldering it and had a new one so I just went ahead and replaced it. Then it would turn on after that. Then in the alignment I was not getting voltage at TP5 with the radio keyed. Re soldered some joint I found that looked suspect and once again cleaned all the flux from the board. I had voltage at TP5 for a short time. Then it went away upon investigating I realized I did not have that coax selected at the coax switch to go to the dummy. So I guess I transmitted into an open ended coax. Probably SWR way to high. And I probably burned up the power module. Looking
  fr
>   om the front of the Xverter on the third lead toward the rear I have 13 VDC. On the second one back I get 4.4 VDC when keying. But never get any worth while at the fourth one back. All I get there is about .011  when keyed. So IT looks like the power module is getting power and is being keyed but I am not getting anything out of it. Just hoping for someone to tell me if this is correct and maybe if I can get this part from Elecraft or not.
>
>
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Jul 18 13:01:37 2020
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 10:01:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 center frequency
In-Reply-To: <CAGYgfuO4vP5YXcCDUujYkB8+Z5Y3ujRyi13r=5qRN2D4ZqL+mA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGYgfuO4vP5YXcCDUujYkB8+Z5Y3ujRyi13r=5qRN2D4ZqL+mA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <03901f8f-1bf4-dfe4-64c0-2c6c82c7096e@foothill.net>

This has been discussed several times before Jim.? I haven't taken the 
time to figure out the exact steps necessary to make it happen [come 
back to the original band with the center frequency offset] but it seems 
to be intrinsic to the design of the P3.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/18/2020 5:10 AM, Jim McDonald wrote:
> Why doesn't the P3 always remember the same center frequency when returning
> to the band?
>
> Jim N7US
>


From arthur.gunn at gmail.com  Sat Jul 18 13:37:14 2020
From: arthur.gunn at gmail.com (Arthur Gunn)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 14:37:14 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 list server - how to connect
Message-ID: <3F3BB8D8-06C1-4646-ABF3-29AD5ECF76FC@gmail.com>

I miss KX2 contents in this list. I remember now that a separate list server is being used. How would I join that list? 

Art VE9BP

From phystad at mac.com  Sat Jul 18 13:47:16 2020
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 10:47:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 list server - how to connect
In-Reply-To: <3F3BB8D8-06C1-4646-ABF3-29AD5ECF76FC@gmail.com>
References: <3F3BB8D8-06C1-4646-ABF3-29AD5ECF76FC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <575A27BF-7C9D-4DA9-BB1E-DE709BADBCC0@mac.com>

I don?t think that KX2 discussion is excluded from this list.

> On Jul 18, 2020, at 10:37 AM, Arthur Gunn <arthur.gunn at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I miss KX2 contents in this list. I remember now that a separate list server is being used. How would I join that list? 
> 
> Art VE9BP
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From starman10 at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 18 13:49:43 2020
From: starman10 at hotmail.com (Lou W0FK)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 10:49:43 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for 2 2.8 filters
In-Reply-To: <1593782741264-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1593116611299-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1593116877681-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1593782741264-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1595094583679-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Anyone?



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From ted.roycraft at gmail.com  Sat Jul 18 14:04:37 2020
From: ted.roycraft at gmail.com (Ted Roycraft)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 14:04:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for 2 2.8 filters
In-Reply-To: <1595094583679-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1593116611299-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1593116877681-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1593782741264-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1595094583679-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAEhjuxGH7=5ohOUenKSQ57=Rq2fr+Zx5Q8QJKKX2KmBmLH35cA@mail.gmail.com>

Lou, Inrad still lists them on their website but I thought I heard they
were not making them anymore. It wouldn?t hurt to check with them.

https://www.inrad.net/home.php?cat=140

73, Ted, W2ZK

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 1:51 PM Lou W0FK <starman10 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Anyone?
>
>
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From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Sat Jul 18 14:10:06 2020
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 13:10:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
In-Reply-To: <CAEhjuxFHpaxsWWd1F+7vzQB_uB1x3qY7bohoA+GZd4vnZuwogA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <034601d65ca1$4ed1a320$ec74e960$@LNAINC.com>	<8BD199E8-CCBD-44AF-A379-134EC0A87C26@w2xj.net>	<00b001d65d0c$3d319a60$b794cf20$@LNAINC.com>
	<CAEhjuxFHpaxsWWd1F+7vzQB_uB1x3qY7bohoA+GZd4vnZuwogA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <013001d65d2e$aae03ef0$00a0bcd0$@LNAINC.com>

The 428 page "Reflections III" from 2010 is available here in PDF format:

http://www.w3pga.org/Antenna%20Books/Reflections%20III.pdf

73
Lyn, W0LEN


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ted Roycraft
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 10:22 AM
To: Elecraft List Server
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas

Walter Maxwell?s interesting book, ?Reflections?, has an in-depth
discussion on non-resonant antennas and tuners. Highly recommended.

73, Ted, W2ZK

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 10:05 AM Lyn Norstad <Lyn at lnainc.com> wrote:

> Exactly.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: W2xj [mailto:w2xj at w2xj.net]
> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 7:37 AM
> To: Lyn at lnainc.com
> Cc: barrylazar2 at gmail.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
>
> What is changing is the radiation pattern. As the frequency increases the
> pattern becomes more sidelobes. Some of those sidelobes are bigger than the
> main lobe and they radiate  ?somewhere?.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 17, 2020, at 21:19, Lyn Norstad <Lyn at lnainc.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Barry -
> >
> > +1
> >
> > I use nothing but 600 ohm OWL (True Ladder Line) and a short piece of
> coax connects to a 1:1 / 4:1 hybrid balun to allow matching the impedance
> perfectly with my KAT500.
> >
> > The antenna is a 360' center fed EDZ (design frequency of 3.5 MHz).  The
> KAT500 matches it on all bands 160 - 6m (on 15m, it bypasses).
> >
> > The measured performance indicates  excellent radiation on all bands.
> >
> > 73
> > Lyn, W0LEN
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:
> elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Barry LaZar
> > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 7:44 PM
> > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
> >
> > Wes,
> >
> >     You're correct that open wire/ladder line transmission lines are
> > not a panacea. But, in the average ham stations, open wire does overcome
> > high losses with high SWR, or not so high SWR. What is needed is a look
> > at the ARRL Antenna book for transmission line loss/100 ft. as a
> > function of SWR. You see that on 10 meters running 10:1 SWR the total
> > loss is around 1 db. And, as you go to the lower bands, losses become
> > less. Typical 400 Ohm ladder line has a loss of 0.2 db at 10 MHz and 0.6
> > db at 100 MHz. Using these data and a little interpolation, I would use
> > 0.4 db on 10 meters and a 10:1 SWR for this to be 0.8 db of additional
> > loss for a total of about 1.2 db. Yes, I do use a balun and recommend
> > them so add another 0.5 db. Add another 0.5 db for a good tuner and we
> > end up with a total of 2.2 db. on 10 meters and less on 20 and it
> > decomposes to an academic exercise on 40 and down.
> >
> >     Coax on 10 starts out with a higher loss/100 feet. I will use what
> > I use here in K3NDM, Times LMR400. That represents 0.4 at 10 MHz. and
> > 1.4 db at 100 MHz. That will yield about 1.2 db/100 ft on 10 meters. Add
> > 0.25 db for a 2:1 SWR and 0.5 for tuner loss and you end up with about
> >
>
>
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From turnbull at net1.ie  Sat Jul 18 14:17:05 2020
From: turnbull at net1.ie (turnbull)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 19:17:05 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 list server - how to connect
In-Reply-To: <575A27BF-7C9D-4DA9-BB1E-DE709BADBCC0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5f133ca2.1c69fb81.259f9.1a0d@mx.google.com>


Dear OMs and YLs,? ? Some of us are just so amazed and pleased with our KX2s that there is nothing to say other than brag.? ? Well technology is always moving and there is a lot of competition out of China but this is one beautiful wee radio.? ??? ? Bring on the K4!!? ?I might even need another KPA1500 to join with it.? ? ?We need to see Elecraft back in production.? ?This virus is killing more than people.? ? I pray our friends stay with us.73 Doug EI2CNSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Phil Hystad via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Date: 18/07/2020  18:48  (GMT+00:00) To: Arthur Gunn <arthur.gunn at gmail.com> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 list server - how to connect I don?t think that KX2 discussion is excluded from this list.> On Jul 18, 2020, at 10:37 AM, Arthur Gunn <arthur.gunn at gmail.com> wrote:> > I miss KX2 contents in this list. I remember now that a separate list server is being used. How would I join that list? > > Art VE9BP> ______________________________________________________________> Elecraft mailing list> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> Message delivered to phystad at mac.com ______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to turnbull at net1.ie 

From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Sat Jul 18 14:54:02 2020
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 13:54:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
In-Reply-To: <013001d65d2e$aae03ef0$00a0bcd0$@LNAINC.com>
References: <034601d65ca1$4ed1a320$ec74e960$@LNAINC.com>	<8BD199E8-CCBD-44AF-A379-134EC0A87C26@w2xj.net>	<00b001d65d0c$3d319a60$b794cf20$@LNAINC.com>	<CAEhjuxFHpaxsWWd1F+7vzQB_uB1x3qY7bohoA+GZd4vnZuwogA@mail.gmail.com>
	<013001d65d2e$aae03ef0$00a0bcd0$@LNAINC.com>
Message-ID: <013d01d65d34$cdd1f560$6975e020$@LNAINC.com>

M. Walter Maxwell, W2DU (SK) passed away in 2012 at the age of 93.  He was still active.

ARRL has a brief bio here: 

http://www.arrl.org/news/walt-maxwell-w2du-sk-wrote-reflections

73
Lyn, W0LEN


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Lyn Norstad
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 1:10 PM
To: 'Ted Roycraft'; 'Elecraft List Server'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas

The 428 page "Reflections III" from 2010 is available here in PDF format:

http://www.w3pga.org/Antenna%20Books/Reflections%20III.pdf

73
Lyn, W0LEN


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ted Roycraft
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 10:22 AM
To: Elecraft List Server
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas

Walter Maxwell?s interesting book, ?Reflections?, has an in-depth
discussion on non-resonant antennas and tuners. Highly recommended.

73, Ted, W2ZK

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 10:05 AM Lyn Norstad <Lyn at lnainc.com> wrote:

> Exactly.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: W2xj [mailto:w2xj at w2xj.net]
> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 7:37 AM
> To: Lyn at lnainc.com
> Cc: barrylazar2 at gmail.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
>
> What is changing is the radiation pattern. As the frequency increases the
> pattern becomes more sidelobes. Some of those sidelobes are bigger than the
> main lobe and they radiate  ?somewhere?.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 17, 2020, at 21:19, Lyn Norstad <Lyn at lnainc.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Barry -
> >
> > +1
> >
> > I use nothing but 600 ohm OWL (True Ladder Line) and a short piece of
> coax connects to a 1:1 / 4:1 hybrid balun to allow matching the impedance
> perfectly with my KAT500.
> >
> > The antenna is a 360' center fed EDZ (design frequency of 3.5 MHz).  The
> KAT500 matches it on all bands 160 - 6m (on 15m, it bypasses).
> >
> > The measured performance indicates  excellent radiation on all bands.
> >
> > 73
> > Lyn, W0LEN
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:
> elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Barry LaZar
> > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 7:44 PM
> > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
> >
> > Wes,
> >
> >     You're correct that open wire/ladder line transmission lines are
> > not a panacea. But, in the average ham stations, open wire does overcome
> > high losses with high SWR, or not so high SWR. What is needed is a look
> > at the ARRL Antenna book for transmission line loss/100 ft. as a
> > function of SWR. You see that on 10 meters running 10:1 SWR the total
> > loss is around 1 db. And, as you go to the lower bands, losses become
> > less. Typical 400 Ohm ladder line has a loss of 0.2 db at 10 MHz and 0.6
> > db at 100 MHz. Using these data and a little interpolation, I would use
> > 0.4 db on 10 meters and a 10:1 SWR for this to be 0.8 db of additional
> > loss for a total of about 1.2 db. Yes, I do use a balun and recommend
> > them so add another 0.5 db. Add another 0.5 db for a good tuner and we
> > end up with a total of 2.2 db. on 10 meters and less on 20 and it
> > decomposes to an academic exercise on 40 and down.
> >
> >     Coax on 10 starts out with a higher loss/100 feet. I will use what
> > I use here in K3NDM, Times LMR400. That represents 0.4 at 10 MHz. and
> > 1.4 db at 100 MHz. That will yield about 1.2 db/100 ft on 10 meters. Add
> > 0.25 db for a 2:1 SWR and 0.5 for tuner loss and you end up with about
> >
>
>
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From w2xj at w2xj.net  Sat Jul 18 15:25:14 2020
From: w2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 15:25:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners
In-Reply-To: <3a607628-66a1-e0a4-3568-cb32f88a549a@foothill.net>
References: <3a607628-66a1-e0a4-3568-cb32f88a549a@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <361EF7D3-8E81-4C3C-BFD8-855BFA2D775C@w2xj.net>

That only applies to class A stations with protected skywave. Otherwise, something near 225 degrees is best. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 18, 2020, at 11:33, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
> 
> ?And the Texas Bug Catcher, Webster BandSpanner, SteppIR's, et al.  All represent changes to the antenna itself, which would also include changing the height [e.g. cranking the tower up and down] and possibly cutting down nearby trees or metal buildings [:=).  Any change to the antenna itself or its near-field environment will affect the feed point complex impedance.  This would include adding traps, inductors, and capacitors to the antenna.
> 
> When you're done flutzing with the antenna itself, you are stuck with whatever complex impedance you find at the feed point.  AM broadcast verticals are generally engineered for coverage near the edges of the market area, meeting non-interference FS requirements, and minimizing self-cancellation between the ground and sky wave.  Something in the vicinity of 195 degrees is generally optimal.  They are not usually resonant and there will be fixed matching network(s) at the base(s) ... AM broadcast stations aren't known to QSY much.
> 
> I'm not familiar with the TurboTuner however many mechanical antenna adjusters operated by driving the phase angle between voltage and current to zero, that is effectively bringing the antenna into resonance so the feedline sees a resistive load. It's up to you to design the antenna so that resistive load matches the characteristic impedance of the feedline OR put a matching network between the feedline and the antenna feedpoint OR tolerate the SWR on the line and put the matching network in the shack.  Pick one.
> 
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
>> On 7/17/2020 9:44 PM, Rick NK7I wrote:
>> Save one; the screwdriver antenna on my truck is tuned (coil adjusted) by the TurboTuner attached to my radio until a match is found.
>> 
>> And an argument could be made that a SteppIR controller performs a similar function.
>> 
>> The rest are matching circuits to compensate for the disparity of input to output.  ?
>> 
>> 73,
>> Rick NK7I
>> 
>> Email spiel Czech corruptions happen
>> 
>>>> On Jul 17, 2020, at 7:00 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?No antenna has, at any time, anywhere in any of our lifetimes, been "tuned" by an "antenna tuner."  So called antenna tuners are 2-port impedance matching networks ... all of them ... and their


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Jul 18 15:28:52 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 15:28:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 list server - how to connect
In-Reply-To: <3F3BB8D8-06C1-4646-ABF3-29AD5ECF76FC@gmail.com>
References: <3F3BB8D8-06C1-4646-ABF3-29AD5ECF76FC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a2d69e43-2690-a1a0-3503-c6366fd186a5@embarqmail.com>

There is a Elecraft-KX list on Groups.io.  If you can search for that 
group, I think you will find it.  It covers the KX1, KX2 and KX3.

If you cannot find it, email Elecraft-KX+owner at groups.io and ask how to 
subscribe.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/18/2020 1:37 PM, Arthur Gunn wrote:
> I miss KX2 contents in this list. I remember now that a separate list server is being used. How would I join that list?

From n4ty at me.com  Sat Jul 18 15:44:37 2020
From: n4ty at me.com (Tyler Barnett)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 15:44:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Cannot transmit RTTY with internal K3 sound card using
	MITTY
Message-ID: <5FEA8A96-EC57-450C-AEC0-508E09BCF9C6@me.com>

Dear Reflector gurus,

Using my internal K3 soundcard, I can receive RTTY OK, but cannot transmit using MITTY.

I am using the internal K3 soundcard (ugraded my K3 with the K3S parts).
The MITTY Option(O) has the proper Input and Output device selected (the internal K3 soundcard codecs).
Asking MITTY to trasmit my callsign doesn't key the K3.
The MITTY Options > Soundcard tab has the correct Reception and Transmission settings (the K3 codecs).

I changed the Windows output device from the K3 internal codec to my headphones, and can hear MITTY transmit into my headphones.
So I'm guessing this is a K3 setting, and I'm baffled.

I have the K3 set to Data mode, with VOX on.
The DATA MD setting is AFSK A, 45 BPS.

The K3 CONFIG settings:
   RS-232 set to USB
   PTT-KEY set to OFF-OFF (I've tried all the settings)
   AFSK TX set to FIL OFF

The MENU settings:
   AFX MD is DELAY 5
   MIC SEL is set to LINE IN
   VOX GN is set to 000

Panel settings (lower left knob):
   The Mic gain is set to LINE 25.
   Vox delay set to 0.5.

On the MENU settings, I ramped up the VOX GN from 000 to 050.
Then when I transmitted with MITTY, it silenced the K3 during MITTY transmission, but no power generated.
The red TX LED didn't light either.

If anyone has suggestions, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks, Tyler N4TY



From k1rdd73 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 18 15:43:32 2020
From: k1rdd73 at gmail.com (Doug Daniels)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 15:43:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 list server - how to connect
In-Reply-To: <a2d69e43-2690-a1a0-3503-c6366fd186a5@embarqmail.com>
References: <3F3BB8D8-06C1-4646-ABF3-29AD5ECF76FC@gmail.com>
	<a2d69e43-2690-a1a0-3503-c6366fd186a5@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEwXZztTuAUVaS_MccKG5jOwXkn2M7__oozFc_PLaUCm1Ej27g@mail.gmail.com>

 Use the subscribe address below. Just send an email and state your call
sign.

Group Email Addresses

   - Post: Elecraft-KX at groups.io
   - Subscribe: Elecraft-KX+subscribe at groups.io
   - Unsubscribe: Elecraft-KX+unsubscribe at groups.io
   - Group Owner: Elecraft-KX+owner at groups.io
   - Help: Elecraft-KX+help at groups.io


On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 3:29 PM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> There is a Elecraft-KX list on Groups.io.  If you can search for that
> group, I think you will find it.  It covers the KX1, KX2 and KX3.
>
> If you cannot find it, email Elecraft-KX+owner at groups.io and ask how to
> subscribe.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/18/2020 1:37 PM, Arthur Gunn wrote:
> > I miss KX2 contents in this list. I remember now that a separate list
> server is being used. How would I join that list?
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-- 

--... ...--
Doug

From kzerocx at gmail.com  Sat Jul 18 16:00:28 2020
From: kzerocx at gmail.com (Gary Peterson)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 14:00:28 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners
Message-ID: <9170461DD4F440429930AD3FF6124E26@WIN7LowProfile>

You are in good company with Walter Maxwell, W2DU, now silent key.  Maxwell was an engineer at RCA.  He designed the antennas on several earth orbiting satellites and the antenna on the Lunar Rover.  He explained this quite succinctly in his book Reflections (all three editions), by use of the conjugate matching theorem.  As I recall, that chapter in his book (peer reviewed by the RCA engineering department) was called My Antenna Tuner Tunes My Antenna.

Gary, K0CX

But if the "tuner" is an LC network, like an adjustable L network, T network, Pi network, or a linked-coupled network, then I strongly disagree.
A tuner is a 2-port network. A transmission line is also a 2-port network. Both networks obey reciprocity, meaning that what you do to one port of the network will have a direct influence on the opposite end.
That being said, if an antenna exhibits a complex impedance at our frequency of interest, and that behavior can be corrected (brought to resonance) by the application of a particular value of reactance at the antenna's feedpoint, then that application of reactance can, for reasons of convenience, be made at the "shack end" of the transmission line. As such, the "tuner" in the shack is really "tuning" the antenna!
John, KD2BD

From w5sv.dave at gmail.com  Sat Jul 18 16:00:57 2020
From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 20:00:57 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 power up message question
Message-ID: <4511f6a3-3478-3b41-8b84-4d8fa5a0d45a@gmail.com>

When my K3 powers up, I get a message that flashes "AMP" on the screen 
(VFO B display) first, then my programmed message; what does the "AMP" 
tell me?

I note further when I turn on my KPA1500, my k3 tells me KPA500 (I guess 
I cannot update that?); when I switch the KPA1500 from STBY to OPER, it 
says OPERATE.

So, why would it tell me AMP on power up (even with the amp disconnected 
and powered off)?

And, is there a way to get it to report KPA1500 instead of KPA500?

Thanks all & 73

de Dave, W5SV


From k7rxv at comcast.net  Sat Jul 18 16:24:15 2020
From: k7rxv at comcast.net (Roger Steyaert)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 16:24:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
In-Reply-To: <013d01d65d34$cdd1f560$6975e020$@LNAINC.com>
References: <034601d65ca1$4ed1a320$ec74e960$@LNAINC.com>
	<8BD199E8-CCBD-44AF-A379-134EC0A87C26@w2xj.net>
	<00b001d65d0c$3d319a60$b794cf20$@LNAINC.com>
	<CAEhjuxFHpaxsWWd1F+7vzQB_uB1x3qY7bohoA+GZd4vnZuwogA@mail.gmail.com>
	<013001d65d2e$aae03ef0$00a0bcd0$@LNAINC.com>
	<013d01d65d34$cdd1f560$6975e020$@LNAINC.com>
Message-ID: <98d21268-f91a-61bf-d884-9acf8269baf4@comcast.net>

I first meet Walt and his sons at Dayton about 10 years before his 
death. Walt and his sons were/are some of the finest gentlemen that you 
could ever meet. Walt was the type of person who was friends with 
everyone he meet. It was a great loss to mankind and amateur radio when 
he became a Silent Key.

Roger Steyaert K7RXV

On 7/18/2020 2:54 PM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
> M. Walter Maxwell, W2DU (SK) passed away in 2012 at the age of 93.  He was still active.
>
> ARRL has a brief bio here:
>
> http://www.arrl.org/news/walt-maxwell-w2du-sk-wrote-reflections
>
> 73
> Lyn, W0LEN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Lyn Norstad
> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 1:10 PM
> To: 'Ted Roycraft'; 'Elecraft List Server'
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
>
> The 428 page "Reflections III" from 2010 is available here in PDF format:
>
> http://www.w3pga.org/Antenna%20Books/Reflections%20III.pdf
>
> 73
> Lyn, W0LEN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ted Roycraft
> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 10:22 AM
> To: Elecraft List Server
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
>
> Walter Maxwell?s interesting book, ?Reflections?, has an in-depth
> discussion on non-resonant antennas and tuners. Highly recommended.
>
> 73, Ted, W2ZK
>
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 10:05 AM Lyn Norstad <Lyn at lnainc.com> wrote:
>
>> Exactly.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: W2xj [mailto:w2xj at w2xj.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 7:37 AM
>> To: Lyn at lnainc.com
>> Cc: barrylazar2 at gmail.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
>>
>> What is changing is the radiation pattern. As the frequency increases the
>> pattern becomes more sidelobes. Some of those sidelobes are bigger than the
>> main lobe and they radiate  ?somewhere?.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 17, 2020, at 21:19, Lyn Norstad <Lyn at lnainc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Barry -
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> I use nothing but 600 ohm OWL (True Ladder Line) and a short piece of
>> coax connects to a 1:1 / 4:1 hybrid balun to allow matching the impedance
>> perfectly with my KAT500.
>>> The antenna is a 360' center fed EDZ (design frequency of 3.5 MHz).  The
>> KAT500 matches it on all bands 160 - 6m (on 15m, it bypasses).
>>> The measured performance indicates  excellent radiation on all bands.
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Lyn, W0LEN
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:
>> elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Barry LaZar
>>> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 7:44 PM
>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
>>>
>>> Wes,
>>>
>>>      You're correct that open wire/ladder line transmission lines are
>>> not a panacea. But, in the average ham stations, open wire does overcome
>>> high losses with high SWR, or not so high SWR. What is needed is a look
>>> at the ARRL Antenna book for transmission line loss/100 ft. as a
>>> function of SWR. You see that on 10 meters running 10:1 SWR the total
>>> loss is around 1 db. And, as you go to the lower bands, losses become
>>> less. Typical 400 Ohm ladder line has a loss of 0.2 db at 10 MHz and 0.6
>>> db at 100 MHz. Using these data and a little interpolation, I would use
>>> 0.4 db on 10 meters and a 10:1 SWR for this to be 0.8 db of additional
>>> loss for a total of about 1.2 db. Yes, I do use a balun and recommend
>>> them so add another 0.5 db. Add another 0.5 db for a good tuner and we
>>> end up with a total of 2.2 db. on 10 meters and less on 20 and it
>>> decomposes to an academic exercise on 40 and down.
>>>
>>>      Coax on 10 starts out with a higher loss/100 feet. I will use what
>>> I use here in K3NDM, Times LMR400. That represents 0.4 at 10 MHz. and
>>> 1.4 db at 100 MHz. That will yield about 1.2 db/100 ft on 10 meters. Add
>>> 0.25 db for a 2:1 SWR and 0.5 for tuner loss and you end up with about
>>>
>>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Jul 18 16:24:27 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 16:24:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Cannot transmit RTTY with internal K3 sound card
 using MITTY
In-Reply-To: <5FEA8A96-EC57-450C-AEC0-508E09BCF9C6@me.com>
References: <5FEA8A96-EC57-450C-AEC0-508E09BCF9C6@me.com>
Message-ID: <32198cab-6ca9-4316-09ae-74a92c4e8c2d@embarqmail.com>

Tyler,

Make sure the K3 internal soundcard is feeding enough audio into the K3 
- if you have anything plugged into the Line IN jack of the K3, remove 
it because that overrides the soundcard TX audio.

Go to my website www.w3fpr.com and scroll the left column to the last 
article.  That information will help you with setting the proper audio 
levels.

At first, you may want to turn VOX off and use PTT via CAT command, or 
enter transmit with the XMIT button while adjusting the audio levels.
After that is accomplished, you should be able to use VOX, although I 
think PTT via CAT command is better - each to his own, I know some 
disagree with me.

BTW, you can make all those adjustments with the K3 in TX TEST mode so 
you do not have any RF output to worry about.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/18/2020 3:44 PM, Tyler Barnett via Elecraft wrote:
> Dear Reflector gurus,
> 
> Using my internal K3 soundcard, I can receive RTTY OK, but cannot transmit using MITTY.
> 
> I am using the internal K3 soundcard (ugraded my K3 with the K3S parts).
> The MITTY Option(O) has the proper Input and Output device selected (the internal K3 soundcard codecs).
> Asking MITTY to trasmit my callsign doesn't key the K3.
> The MITTY Options > Soundcard tab has the correct Reception and Transmission settings (the K3 codecs).
> 
> I changed the Windows output device from the K3 internal codec to my headphones, and can hear MITTY transmit into my headphones.
> So I'm guessing this is a K3 setting, and I'm baffled.
> 
> I have the K3 set to Data mode, with VOX on.
> The DATA MD setting is AFSK A, 45 BPS.
> 
> The K3 CONFIG settings:
>     RS-232 set to USB
>     PTT-KEY set to OFF-OFF (I've tried all the settings)
>     AFSK TX set to FIL OFF
> 
> The MENU settings:
>     AFX MD is DELAY 5
>     MIC SEL is set to LINE IN
>     VOX GN is set to 000
> 
> Panel settings (lower left knob):
>     The Mic gain is set to LINE 25.
>     Vox delay set to 0.5.
> 
> On the MENU settings, I ramped up the VOX GN from 000 to 050.
> Then when I transmitted with MITTY, it silenced the K3 during MITTY transmission, but no power generated.
> The red TX LED didn't light either.
> 

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sat Jul 18 16:33:05 2020
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 13:33:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
In-Reply-To: <013d01d65d34$cdd1f560$6975e020$@LNAINC.com>
References: <034601d65ca1$4ed1a320$ec74e960$@LNAINC.com>
	<8BD199E8-CCBD-44AF-A379-134EC0A87C26@w2xj.net>
	<00b001d65d0c$3d319a60$b794cf20$@LNAINC.com>
	<CAEhjuxFHpaxsWWd1F+7vzQB_uB1x3qY7bohoA+GZd4vnZuwogA@mail.gmail.com>
	<013001d65d2e$aae03ef0$00a0bcd0$@LNAINC.com>
	<013d01d65d34$cdd1f560$6975e020$@LNAINC.com>
Message-ID: <dc7f8d9d-dbb9-e0b7-1f3b-7f40cfab7670@triconet.org>

Walt and I corresponded quite a bit at one time.? I sent my copy of the original 
"Reflections" to him and asked him to sign it.? He sent it back with a lovely 
inscription. When Reflections II came out he sent me an unsolicited, inscribed 
copy. He was quite pained by the ARRL's repudiation of his work. Pity.

Wes? N7Ws



On 7/18/2020 11:54 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
> M. Walter Maxwell, W2DU (SK) passed away in 2012 at the age of 93.  He was still active.
>
> ARRL has a brief bio here:
>
> http://www.arrl.org/news/walt-maxwell-w2du-sk-wrote-reflections
>
> 73
> Lyn, W0LEN
>


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Jul 18 17:02:18 2020
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 14:02:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners
In-Reply-To: <361EF7D3-8E81-4C3C-BFD8-855BFA2D775C@w2xj.net>
References: <3a607628-66a1-e0a4-3568-cb32f88a549a@foothill.net>
	<361EF7D3-8E81-4C3C-BFD8-855BFA2D775C@w2xj.net>
Message-ID: <696e4515-2586-6e82-e8d9-acfe3b03c4eb@foothill.net>

I very vaguely remember there was a different optimum length for the 
others, thanks!

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/18/2020 12:25 PM, W2xj wrote:
> That only applies to class A stations with protected skywave. Otherwise, something near 225 degrees is best.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 18, 2020, at 11:33, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?And the Texas Bug Catcher, Webster BandSpanner, SteppIR's, et al.  All represent changes to the antenna itself, which would also include changing the height [e.g. cranking the tower up and down] and possibly cutting down nearby trees or metal buildings [:=).  Any change to the antenna itself or its near-field environment will affect the feed point complex impedance.  This would include adding traps, inductors, and capacitors to the antenna.
>>
>> When you're done flutzing with the antenna itself, you are stuck with whatever complex impedance you find at the feed point.  AM broadcast verticals are generally engineered for coverage near the edges of the market area, meeting non-interference FS requirements, and minimizing self-cancellation between the ground and sky wave.  Something in the vicinity of 195 degrees is generally optimal.  They are not usually resonant and there will be fixed matching network(s) at the base(s) ... AM broadcast stations aren't known to QSY much.
>>
>> I'm not familiar with the TurboTuner however many mechanical antenna adjusters operated by driving the phase angle between voltage and current to zero, that is effectively bringing the antenna into resonance so the feedline sees a resistive load. It's up to you to design the antenna so that resistive load matches the characteristic impedance of the feedline OR put a matching network between the feedline and the antenna feedpoint OR tolerate the SWR on the line and put the matching network in the shack.  Pick one.
>>


From hhoyt at mebtel.net  Sat Jul 18 17:58:56 2020
From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 17:58:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 list server - how to connect
Message-ID: <0ac83325-7401-2bd8-ef62-4a2573b6f0ef@mebtel.net>

Art, all,

We have a separate group which deals exclusively with the Elecraft 
portable equipment and related issues to running QRP and portable.? You 
can join the 5700 of us who discuss Elecraft KX issues by going to : 
https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-KX

We hope to see you there!

Howie / WA4PSC
Elecraft-KX at groups.io Moderator


>>I miss KX2 contents in this list. I remember now that a separate list server is being used. 
>>How would I join that list? 
>>
>>Art VE9BP


From phystad at mac.com  Sat Jul 18 18:06:52 2020
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 15:06:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 list server - how to connect
In-Reply-To: <0ac83325-7401-2bd8-ef62-4a2573b6f0ef@mebtel.net>
References: <0ac83325-7401-2bd8-ef62-4a2573b6f0ef@mebtel.net>
Message-ID: <AA08F7D5-3A30-460E-A2D3-88F1DC2736FB@mac.com>

I went and browsed around a bit.

I saw some messages posted in March about a KX1 that does not power up.  Then, in July there are messages with the title ?KX3 doesn?t power off? or something like that.

Does this mean that a KX2 is either always On or always Off ?  And, would that occur in only April thru June?

73, phil



> On Jul 18, 2020, at 2:58 PM, Howard Hoyt <hhoyt at mebtel.net> wrote:
> 
> Art, all,
> 
> We have a separate group which deals exclusively with the Elecraft portable equipment and related issues to running QRP and portable.  You can join the 5700 of us who discuss Elecraft KX issues by going to : https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-KX
> 
> We hope to see you there!
> 
> Howie / WA4PSC
> Elecraft-KX at groups.io Moderator
> 
> 
>>> I miss KX2 contents in this list. I remember now that a separate list server is being used. How would I join that list? 
>>> Art VE9BP
> 
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From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Sat Jul 18 18:46:12 2020
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 22:46:12 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners
In-Reply-To: <9170461DD4F440429930AD3FF6124E26@WIN7LowProfile>
References: <9170461DD4F440429930AD3FF6124E26@WIN7LowProfile>
Message-ID: <A2886443-3A44-49D6-9361-F6C195C0C274@illinois.edu>

Wasn't there a debate between Maxwell and Walter Bruene (designed the Collins 30L1) on the conjugate match...I think Bruene disagreed with the popular notion of a conjugate match.

Jack BMW Motorcycles
Chuck KE9UW
c-hawley at illinois.edu

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 18, 2020, at 3:01 PM, Gary Peterson <kzerocx at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?You are in good company with Walter Maxwell, W2DU, now silent key.  Maxwell was an engineer at RCA.  He designed the antennas on several earth orbiting satellites and the antenna on the Lunar Rover.  He explained this quite succinctly in his book Reflections (all three editions), by use of the conjugate matching theorem.  As I recall, that chapter in his book (peer reviewed by the RCA engineering department) was called My Antenna Tuner Tunes My Antenna.
> 
> Gary, K0CX
> 
> But if the "tuner" is an LC network, like an adjustable L network, T network, Pi network, or a linked-coupled network, then I strongly disagree.
> A tuner is a 2-port network. A transmission line is also a 2-port network. Both networks obey reciprocity, meaning that what you do to one port of the network will have a direct influence on the opposite end.
> That being said, if an antenna exhibits a complex impedance at our frequency of interest, and that behavior can be corrected (brought to resonance) by the application of a particular value of reactance at the antenna's feedpoint, then that application of reactance can, for reasons of convenience, be made at the "shack end" of the transmission line. As such, the "tuner" in the shack is really "tuning" the antenna!
> John, KD2BD
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From K1ND at Comcast.net  Sat Jul 18 19:36:01 2020
From: K1ND at Comcast.net (Jan)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 19:36:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100/at available
Message-ID: <baa28ffe-e36b-62d6-cba6-9a64c73e78ea@Comcast.net>

Have for sale? K3/100/AT with 2.7 kHz and 500 Hz filters plus KIO3 
manual, hand mike, dc cord

Correspond with me, K1ND? at email ~ jjellema at emich.edu?? Thanks, Jan? ~ 
stay safe ~


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From dean.k2ww at gmail.com  Sat Jul 18 20:14:39 2020
From: dean.k2ww at gmail.com (Dean L)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 20:14:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Using Yaesu Quadra VL-1000 with K3/ ALC?
In-Reply-To: <003201d65c3f$16a69800$43f3c800$@erols.com>
References: <20200717075955.Horde.hYU5CukHMaeZzp9GF1qlqUX@www11.qth.com>
	<003201d65c3f$16a69800$43f3c800$@erols.com>
Message-ID: <CAHh=7ikyp8Ezf9Ya5wNVvat9nhjoiD4zGAnqEJeWE5bWScd92A@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the responses.
>From what I can gather, on a K3, manually adjust power out, (set it in the
menu)
Use ALC as a backup protector.

Call it a day.

This AMP makes a KW without much drive ( nowhere near 65w in)

73
All the best
Dean
K2WW



On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 11:26 Charlie T <pincon at erols.com> wrote:

> I always felt that the ALC control into an SS amp is the amp's last resort
> to being over-driven (= damaged?).
> Yes, for normal operation, set your radio at a lower power to drive the amp
> to the desired level, which does NOT activate the ALC.
> However, if you do something "un-smart", the ALC will hopefully protect the
> amp's input.
>
> Just to make this plain, do NOT run your 100/200 watt radio at max output
> and depend on the ALC connection to cut it back.
>
> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>
>
>
>
>
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From 99triumf at gmail.com  Sat Jul 18 21:14:56 2020
From: 99triumf at gmail.com (R.Shanks)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 18:14:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] SS-30DV dc-power supply problem
Message-ID: <fabb4f1b-e055-4234-0d74-75a2d4e70f54@gmail.com>

When I turn on this supply (SS-30DV) the fan turns on briefly then off. 
I assumed this was normal and it would turn on if the temp. increases 
etc. However the supply would turn off after a variable period of? time 
(~20 min) and then after about 10 min I was able to turn it on again!! 
Since the fan was not turning on I thought the supply was over heating 
and the over-temp. protection cct. would trip before the fan would come 
on. This is not the way it should work of course. The temp. sensing cct. 
should turn the fan on long before the over-temp cct. Oddly, at times, I 
could run for 3-4 hrs and it would not trip! My station is a Kenwood 
710GA, 50w dual band, I use VHF 90% of the time. Has anyone experienced 
this problem with this supply? I'm a retired elec/tech, if I could get a 
schematic I could trouble shoot it, the fan or fan cct is not working 
properly, this may have been the problem from the getgo hard to tell as 
it worked fine for about 8 mo.

73 Richard

VE7PNP


From pubx1 at af2z.net  Sat Jul 18 22:12:47 2020
From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 22:12:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] SS-30DV dc-power supply problem
In-Reply-To: <fabb4f1b-e055-4234-0d74-75a2d4e70f54@gmail.com>
References: <fabb4f1b-e055-4234-0d74-75a2d4e70f54@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <88007981-8344-9ff7-cf34-89d6dcb83784@af2z.net>

I have an SS-30DV. I don't know if this helps you, but...

In this weather, shack temp typically 80F and more, the fan is audible 
all the time, even under very light load. I'm not sure what temperature 
it turns on.

In winter, shack temp 50F, the fan is off. I don't recall hearing it run 
at all, even when I've been operating the K3/100 CW for a while; maybe 
it runs at a lower speed that I don't hear. (I'm kind of sensitive to 
fan noise; replaced the original K3 fans because they sometimes kicked 
in with a very faint rattling sound.)

Anyhow, if I were you I'd turn a hair dryer on the thing and see if the 
fans go on at all.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 07/18/20 20:14, R.Shanks wrote:
> When I turn on this supply (SS-30DV) the fan turns on briefly then off. 
> I assumed this was normal and it would turn on if the temp. increases 
> etc. However the supply would turn off after a variable period of? time 
> (~20 min) and then after about 10 min I was able to turn it on again!! 
> Since the fan was not turning on I thought the supply was over heating 
> and the over-temp. protection cct. would trip before the fan would come 
> on. This is not the way it should work of course. The temp. sensing cct. 
> should turn the fan on long before the over-temp cct. Oddly, at times, I 
> could run for 3-4 hrs and it would not trip! My station is a Kenwood 
> 710GA, 50w dual band, I use VHF 90% of the time. Has anyone experienced 
> this problem with this supply? I'm a retired elec/tech, if I could get a 
> schematic I could trouble shoot it, the fan or fan cct is not working 
> properly, this may have been the problem from the getgo hard to tell as 
> it worked fine for about 8 mo.
> 
> 73 Richard
> 
> VE7PNP
> 
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Jul 18 22:30:38 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 22:30:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 list server - how to connect
In-Reply-To: <AA08F7D5-3A30-460E-A2D3-88F1DC2736FB@mac.com>
References: <0ac83325-7401-2bd8-ef62-4a2573b6f0ef@mebtel.net>
	<AA08F7D5-3A30-460E-A2D3-88F1DC2736FB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <a39918be-ed09-ea0e-7478-4ac43e20b144@embarqmail.com>

Phil,

There are numerous quetionx of that sort.  There is not one answer.  The 
only answer that fits all is "it all depends".

We need the specifics of the problem before a reasonable response can be 
had.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/18/2020 6:06 PM, Phil Hystad via Elecraft wrote:
> I went and browsed around a bit.
> 
> I saw some messages posted in March about a KX1 that does not power up.  Then, in July there are messages with the title ?KX3 doesn?t power off? or something like that.
> 
> Does this mean that a KX2 is either always On or always Off ?  And, would that occur in only April thru June?
> 
> 73, phil
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2020, at 2:58 PM, Howard Hoyt <hhoyt at mebtel.net> wrote:
>>
>> Art, all,
>>
>> We have a separate group which deals exclusively with the Elecraft portable equipment and related issues to running QRP and portable.  You can join the 5700 of us who discuss Elecraft KX issues by going to : https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-KX
>>
>> We hope to see you there!
>>
>> Howie / WA4PSC
>> Elecraft-KX at groups.io Moderator
>>
>>
>>>> I miss KX2 contents in this list. I remember now that a separate list server is being used. How would I join that list?
>>>> Art VE9BP
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From billamader at gmail.com  Sat Jul 18 22:56:35 2020
From: billamader at gmail.com (K8TE)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 19:56:35 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
In-Reply-To: <034601d65ca1$4ed1a320$ec74e960$@LNAINC.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29688181A41DD2DF2DF4D1228C7E0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<202007171747.06HHlb8p021560@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
	<c2215b18-b08f-6b61-afc8-a7672afcaaeb@gmail.com>
	<ea76abe9-0ab2-7e9b-cebe-d82b95a5bb01@triconet.org>
	<2a1a52db-b19d-e990-051b-8c4bead299ae@gmail.com>
	<034601d65ca1$4ed1a320$ec74e960$@LNAINC.com>
Message-ID: <1595127395128-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Lyn,

How do you measure your antenna's performance?

In many cases, not necessarily yours, antenna performance seems to be based
on countries worked, achieving WAS/DXCC, "It's way better than last year's
antenna.", or "I worked Pitcarin Island last week."  None of these
"measures" are meaningful.  I am a big proponent of having a half-wave
dipole as one's "standard" antenna then using the RBN, WSPRLite, etc. to
capture same-time data on the performance of each antenna over time.

In other words, to say one's antenna works, is meaningless.  To say it works
well is also meaningless.  To say it works better than...can have some value
and perhaps even meaning.

73, Bill, K8TE



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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sun Jul 19 00:21:11 2020
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 00:21:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Opposite Sideband Null -- Follow Up
Message-ID: <09E829EF-9791-4A9A-B9AD-B2E22F16B3B0@gmail.com>

Six weeks or so ago, I put up a couple of posts asking if anyone had had an issue with opposite sideband null on their KX3.  I was having a problem getting a good null when FL3 was selected, although I had very deep nulls with FL2 or FL1.  I wasn?t motivated to check because of a perceived problem.  I had simply decided to rerun the null procedure on a ?just because? basis, for the same reason any radio I own ends up on the bench periodically for a checkup and alignment. I didn?t get any response from the list, so I presume this isn?t something most have rechecked.

In any case, Elecraft support suggested my results indicated a defective KXFL3.  After receiving and very carefully installing a new one, sure ?nuf.  All is fine now.  My subjective impression is that tuning around with narrow CW sounds ?cleaner? since I have a good null on all bands and all filter settings.

I don?t really know if the original KXFL3 was DOA (although it was no doubt checked by Elecraft prior to shipment), if it suffered a random or infant failure, or if I was careless with the KXFL3 board while doing the initial kit build a few years ago.  Could certainly and perhaps most likely have been the latter.

Calibration is probably worth doing once in a while anyway.  Components age and drift, and, no matter what, things just happen.

And I did get excellent support from Elecraft while working through the problem.

Grant NQ5T



From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Jul 19 01:23:21 2020
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 22:23:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <72782127-7d11-d5da-55d4-5e5d99084ead@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? A few days of sun helped warm things up.? Morning clouds retreat to 
the beach faster each day.? The temperature rose to 70 degrees at least 
twice.? Summer may have arrived in my corner of Oregon.? The adult gray 
jays are getting rare.? The immature crop has taken over the food 
detail.? The hummingbirds are busy too.

Two days ago it was clear until after dusk.? I walked to the south (up 
the mountain) to get a clear horizon over the trees.? I may have seen 
the comet but then the haze came in.? A long dust tail, but no head nor 
ion tail.? Tonight I may have better luck; haze will roll in but 
hopefully an hour later.? I would like a chance at a dark sky.? This 
time I am walking north into an area of thinning right next to a clear 
cut.? I should have a good view below the Big Dipper.

A few proto-sunspots appeared and vanished quickly.? The auroral oval 
has grown again, though it is still not very strong.? We are past the 
deepest part of the minimum.? Most of the tiny sunspots cropping up and 
dissipating are from cycle 25.? By next summer we should have activity.? 
Propagation for next year's field day should be better too.? Hopefully 
we can get out and celebrate it again.


Please join us on (or near):

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 ? 7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

 ?? 73,
 ????? Kevin. KD5ONS


_


From k7sss at aol.com  Sun Jul 19 01:45:36 2020
From: k7sss at aol.com (k7sss at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 05:45:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Opposite Sideband Null -- Follow Up
In-Reply-To: <09E829EF-9791-4A9A-B9AD-B2E22F16B3B0@gmail.com>
References: <09E829EF-9791-4A9A-B9AD-B2E22F16B3B0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1290356980.2686320.1595137536581@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,I got several error codes on my KX3 about a year ago. I sent it back for repairs and upgrades as it is 0250+ s/n. Most error codes were cause by the defective ribbon cable between the front and rear boards. One code was a cracked resistor on the KXFL3. Repairs were done quick and got a complete retest and upgrades. Sure works better now.?73Jim H K7SSS?In a message dated 7/18/2020 9:24:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, ghyoungman at gmail.com writes:?
Six weeks or so ago, I put up a couple of posts asking if anyone had had an issue with opposite sideband null on their KX3.? I was having a problem getting a good null when FL3 was selected, although I had very deep nulls with FL2 or FL1.? I wasn?t motivated to check because of a perceived problem.? I had simply decided to rerun the null procedure on a ?just because? basis, for the same reason any radio I own ends up on the bench periodically for a checkup and alignment. I didn?t get any response from the list, so I presume this isn?t something most have rechecked.?In any case, Elecraft support suggested my results indicated a defective KXFL3.? After receiving and very carefully installing a new one, sure ?nuf.? All is fine now.? My subjective impression is that tuning around with narrow CW sounds ?cleaner? since I have a good null on all bands and all filter settings.?I don?t really know if the original KXFL3 was DOA (although it was no doubt checked by Elecraft prior to shipment), if it suffered a random or infant failure, or if I was careless with the KXFL3 board while doing the initial kit build a few years ago.? Could certainly and perhaps most likely have been the latter.?Calibration is probably worth doing once in a while anyway.? Components age and drift, and, no matter what, things just happen.?And I did get excellent support from Elecraft while working through the problem.?Grant NQ5T??

From w4kx at mac.com  Sun Jul 19 09:41:10 2020
From: w4kx at mac.com (Tom Doligalski)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 09:41:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Cooling Fans
Message-ID: <79E5D0D0-3805-4EDF-A60F-853099A40E97@mac.com>

I am the original owner of K3/100 #969, which still works great. 

I?ve noticed that recently the cooling fan comes on occasionally even if the radio is on, but not in use (volume down, no transmitting). FP temperature shows 41 C, and PA temperature is at 35 C  

This is not at objectionable at all, but made me wonder if this was a cause for concern. 

Any ideas?

Tom W4KX


From jasimmons at pinewooddata.com  Sun Jul 19 11:15:04 2020
From: jasimmons at pinewooddata.com (John Simmons)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 10:15:04 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Cooling Fans
In-Reply-To: <79E5D0D0-3805-4EDF-A60F-853099A40E97@mac.com>
References: <79E5D0D0-3805-4EDF-A60F-853099A40E97@mac.com>
Message-ID: <83c91681-3587-a376-eac1-96f6a2d76a0b@pinewooddata.com>

Tom,

Interesting post. I thought this was the case with my K3 also, but i 
figured out later that it was the fan in my power supply instead. Poor 
hearing!

-de John NI0K

Tom Doligalski via Elecraft wrote on 7/19/2020 8:41 AM:
> I am the original owner of K3/100 #969, which still works great.
>
> I?ve noticed that recently the cooling fan comes on occasionally even if the radio is on, but not in use (volume down, no transmitting). FP temperature shows 41 C, and PA temperature is at 35 C
>
> This is not at objectionable at all, but made me wonder if this was a cause for concern.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Tom W4KX
>
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From w5sum at comcast.net  Sun Jul 19 12:03:42 2020
From: w5sum at comcast.net (w5sum at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 11:03:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Issue
In-Reply-To: <83c91681-3587-a376-eac1-96f6a2d76a0b@pinewooddata.com>
References: <79E5D0D0-3805-4EDF-A60F-853099A40E97@mac.com>
	<83c91681-3587-a376-eac1-96f6a2d76a0b@pinewooddata.com>
Message-ID: <8EA1680B072346E9962EB9F5204C4A39@MININTMC1HLDC>

Good Morning

I purchase a used K3 a couple of weeks ago and received it last thursday. I 
hooked it up and it worked GREAT.  Used it for SSB and CW contacts on 80M 
and ssb on 10M.  Shut it down about 8pm last night. Turned it on this 
morning, and it has white noise audio but receives no signals at all. 
Nothing showing on the S meter either not even noise.   NO POWER OUTPUT 
either.

Has anyone every seen a sudden failure like this?  I'm heartbroken as I am 
fearful of a astronomical repair charge from Elecraft and the person I 
bought it from is offering no warranty at all and since it was used I 
totally understand that part.

Thanks in advance

Ronnie W5SUM 


From nv4c.ian at gmail.com  Sun Jul 19 12:09:25 2020
From: nv4c.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 12:09:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Issue
In-Reply-To: <8EA1680B072346E9962EB9F5204C4A39@MININTMC1HLDC>
References: <79E5D0D0-3805-4EDF-A60F-853099A40E97@mac.com>
	<83c91681-3587-a376-eac1-96f6a2d76a0b@pinewooddata.com>
	<8EA1680B072346E9962EB9F5204C4A39@MININTMC1HLDC>
Message-ID: <CAN1Md6G=qZPnynWaeTfzuxzh0J5rPCuUza42xQ=RozF=C8NNcw@mail.gmail.com>

First thing I'd check is to verify you have the correct antenna port
selected. I have yet to meet any K3 owner who hasn't made that mistake at
some point, your's truly included. ;-)

73 de,

Ian, NV4C

On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 12:05 PM <w5sum at comcast.net> wrote:

> Good Morning
>
> I purchase a used K3 a couple of weeks ago and received it last thursday.
> I
> hooked it up and it worked GREAT.  Used it for SSB and CW contacts on 80M
> and ssb on 10M.  Shut it down about 8pm last night. Turned it on this
> morning, and it has white noise audio but receives no signals at all.
> Nothing showing on the S meter either not even noise.   NO POWER OUTPUT
> either.
>
> Has anyone every seen a sudden failure like this?  I'm heartbroken as I am
> fearful of a astronomical repair charge from Elecraft and the person I
> bought it from is offering no warranty at all and since it was used I
> totally understand that part.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Ronnie W5SUM
>
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From w5sum at comcast.net  Sun Jul 19 12:10:56 2020
From: w5sum at comcast.net (w5sum at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 11:10:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Issue
In-Reply-To: <CAN1Md6G=qZPnynWaeTfzuxzh0J5rPCuUza42xQ=RozF=C8NNcw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <79E5D0D0-3805-4EDF-A60F-853099A40E97@mac.com>
	<83c91681-3587-a376-eac1-96f6a2d76a0b@pinewooddata.com>
	<8EA1680B072346E9962EB9F5204C4A39@MININTMC1HLDC>
	<CAN1Md6G=qZPnynWaeTfzuxzh0J5rPCuUza42xQ=RozF=C8NNcw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <308A84B47C0A4071B8BC8FDA7E782235@MININTMC1HLDC>


yes sir.. using antenna port 1 and have it selected.  HOWEVER.. I did move the antenna to port 2 and selected that port to no improvement. Same issue

Ronnie


From: Ian Kahn 
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2020 11:09 AM
To: w5sum at comcast.net 
Cc: Elecraft Reflector 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Issue

First thing I'd check is to verify you have the correct antenna port selected. I have yet to meet any K3 owner who hasn't made that mistake at some point, your's truly included. ;-) 

73 de,

Ian, NV4C

On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 12:05 PM <w5sum at comcast.net> wrote:

  Good Morning

  I purchase a used K3 a couple of weeks ago and received it last thursday. I 
  hooked it up and it worked GREAT.  Used it for SSB and CW contacts on 80M 
  and ssb on 10M.  Shut it down about 8pm last night. Turned it on this 
  morning, and it has white noise audio but receives no signals at all. 
  Nothing showing on the S meter either not even noise.   NO POWER OUTPUT 
  either.

  Has anyone every seen a sudden failure like this?  I'm heartbroken as I am 
  fearful of a astronomical repair charge from Elecraft and the person I 
  bought it from is offering no warranty at all and since it was used I 
  totally understand that part.

  Thanks in advance

  Ronnie W5SUM 

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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Sun Jul 19 12:40:06 2020
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 12:40:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Issue
In-Reply-To: <308A84B47C0A4071B8BC8FDA7E782235@MININTMC1HLDC>
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-7884F152D39143F39DF76D2014BFF9AD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

The K3 can get antennas in a bewildering collection of ways. If 
the RX antenna switch is on -- and this was my way of getting on 
reception -- it might be your problem. The K3 can also send 
received signals out on one of the BNC connectors and expect to 
get them back on another.

I recommend a careful reading of the manual, perhaps in PDF form 
with a search for "antenna". The manual is downloadable from the 
Elecraft web site.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 7/19/20 at 12:10 PM, w5sum at comcast.net wrote:

>yes sir.. using antenna port 1 and have it selected.  HOWEVER.. 
>I did move the antenna to port 2 and selected that port to no 
>improvement. Same issue

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From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Sun Jul 19 12:48:05 2020
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 11:48:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
In-Reply-To: <1595127395128-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29688181A41DD2DF2DF4D1228C7E0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>	<202007171747.06HHlb8p021560@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>	<c2215b18-b08f-6b61-afc8-a7672afcaaeb@gmail.com>	<ea76abe9-0ab2-7e9b-cebe-d82b95a5bb01@triconet.org>	<2a1a52db-b19d-e990-051b-8c4bead299ae@gmail.com>	<034601d65ca1$4ed1a320$ec74e960$@LNAINC.com>
	<1595127395128-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <02c301d65dec$602f5cb0$208e1610$@LNAINC.com>

Ken -

You are absolutely right, and I totally agree that there needs to be
something to compare to in order to evaluate performance in a meaningful
way.  My mistake was in assuming that my judgment, after 50 + years of doing
this, would be accepted without laying out all the details, especially when
combined with actual on-air performance (during times of less favorable
propagation).

So let me add to my prior post that I have spent a great deal of time with
different "simple wire antennas" including inverted-V, sloper, end-fed, G5RV
and yes ... several different "true" dipoles.  Some single band, some
resonant, some not, some with traps.  And a few verticals with traps, base
loading, center loading and top loading.  And one three element tri-bander
at about 55 feet.

I am basing my opinion of this current EDZ on my experiences with those.
That being said, I do not currently have any of those in place in order to
facilitate an actual A/B test under exact same conditions.  Nor do I plan to
go to the cost or trouble to do so in order to satisfy the 5% of me that
thinks it might be meaningful.

73
Lyn, W0LEN


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of K8TE
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 9:57 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas

Lyn,

How do you measure your antenna's performance?

In many cases, not necessarily yours, antenna performance seems to be based
on countries worked, achieving WAS/DXCC, "It's way better than last year's
antenna.", or "I worked Pitcarin Island last week."  None of these
"measures" are meaningful.  I am a big proponent of having a half-wave
dipole as one's "standard" antenna then using the RBN, WSPRLite, etc. to
capture same-time data on the performance of each antenna over time.

In other words, to say one's antenna works, is meaningless.  To say it works
well is also meaningless.  To say it works better than...can have some value
and perhaps even meaning.

73, Bill, K8TE 


From w5sum at comcast.net  Sun Jul 19 12:53:14 2020
From: w5sum at comcast.net (w5sum at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 11:53:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Issue
In-Reply-To: <r480Ps-10146i-7884F152D39143F39DF76D2014BFF9AD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-7884F152D39143F39DF76D2014BFF9AD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <1F3FE96D47BA41539DDE017D55653DF6@MININTMC1HLDC>

ok I'm going to be answering several of your suggestions at once here.

First, when I powered off last night, I used the power button on the K3 
itself, I did not kill the power supply first

The sub RX has been turned off and the RX Ant is NOT selected. Ant 1 is 
selected and the Antenna IS plugged into the port

The is NO noise shown on the S meter and I have a pretty constant S3  to S5 
noise here at my qth.

Regardless of mode selected there is no power output, the display says 0

When I activate the tuner, regardless of band, it shows no SWR, says 5 watts 
out, but there is NO POWER OUT of it. It always acts like it is matching, or 
sounds like it is.

Ronnie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Bill Frantz
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2020 11:40 AM
To: w5sum at comcast.net
Cc: Ian Kahn ; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Issue

The K3 can get antennas in a bewildering collection of ways. If
the RX antenna switch is on -- and this was my way of getting on
reception -- it might be your problem. The K3 can also send
received signals out on one of the BNC connectors and expect to
get them back on another.

I recommend a careful reading of the manual, perhaps in PDF form
with a search for "antenna". The manual is downloadable from the
Elecraft web site.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 7/19/20 at 12:10 PM, w5sum at comcast.net wrote:

>yes sir.. using antenna port 1 and have it selected.  HOWEVER.. I did move 
>the antenna to port 2 and selected that port to no improvement. Same issue

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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sun Jul 19 13:00:19 2020
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 20:00:19 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Issue
In-Reply-To: <1F3FE96D47BA41539DDE017D55653DF6@MININTMC1HLDC>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-7884F152D39143F39DF76D2014BFF9AD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<1F3FE96D47BA41539DDE017D55653DF6@MININTMC1HLDC>
Message-ID: <02f35e25-3e67-3606-c256-da78099f1c1b@gmail.com>

I suggest that you call Elecraft Support on Monday. I'm sure they have a 
diagnostic procedure that they can take you through on the phone. Even 
if there IS a failure somewhere, chances are that you can fix it 
yourself with their help.

Just guessing, but I suggest you open it and make sure all the small 
coax cables to the synthesizers are well seated. Since it was recently 
shipped, something could have worked loose.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 19/07/2020 19:53, w5sum at comcast.net wrote:
> ok I'm going to be answering several of your suggestions at once
> here.
> 
> First, when I powered off last night, I used the power button on the
> K3 itself, I did not kill the power supply first
> 
> The sub RX has been turned off and the RX Ant is NOT selected. Ant 1
> is selected and the Antenna IS plugged into the port
> 
> The is NO noise shown on the S meter and I have a pretty constant S3
> to S5 noise here at my qth.
> 
> Regardless of mode selected there is no power output, the display
> says 0
> 
> When I activate the tuner, regardless of band, it shows no SWR, says
> 5 watts out, but there is NO POWER OUT of it. It always acts like it
> is matching, or sounds like it is.
> 
> Ronnie
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Bill Frantz Sent: Sunday, July 19,
> 2020 11:40 AM To: w5sum at comcast.net Cc: Ian Kahn ; Elecraft
> Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Issue
> 
> The K3 can get antennas in a bewildering collection of ways. If the
> RX antenna switch is on -- and this was my way of getting on 
> reception -- it might be your problem. The K3 can also send received
> signals out on one of the BNC connectors and expect to get them back
> on another.
> 
> I recommend a careful reading of the manual, perhaps in PDF form with
> a search for "antenna". The manual is downloadable from the Elecraft
> web site.
> 
> 73 Bill AE6JV
> 
> On 7/19/20 at 12:10 PM, w5sum at comcast.net wrote:
> 
>> yes sir.. using antenna port 1 and have it selected.  HOWEVER.. I
>> did move the antenna to port 2 and selected that port to no
>> improvement. Same issue
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 
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> (408)348-7900      | it.                       | 150 Rivermead Rd
> #235 www.pwpconsult.com |    - Scott McNealy (1999) | Peterborough, 
> NH 03458 
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From mike9v at gmail.com  Sun Jul 19 13:20:16 2020
From: mike9v at gmail.com (mike stokes)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 13:20:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Issue
In-Reply-To: <1F3FE96D47BA41539DDE017D55653DF6@MININTMC1HLDC>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-7884F152D39143F39DF76D2014BFF9AD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<1F3FE96D47BA41539DDE017D55653DF6@MININTMC1HLDC>
Message-ID: <CAF3X6dKtCpdmYqw-WAB3Hnrm3FtCTMq6GPnNdYskiYdd1-+Mqg@mail.gmail.com>

I had the same issue and it was a bad connection on the TMP cables.  I just
reseated all of them and all has been OK for me.  I hope I didn't just jinx
it.

Mike
KK9V

On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 12:54 PM <w5sum at comcast.net> wrote:

> ok I'm going to be answering several of your suggestions at once here.
>
> First, when I powered off last night, I used the power button on the K3
> itself, I did not kill the power supply first
>
> The sub RX has been turned off and the RX Ant is NOT selected. Ant 1 is
> selected and the Antenna IS plugged into the port
>
> The is NO noise shown on the S meter and I have a pretty constant S3  to
> S5
> noise here at my qth.
>
> Regardless of mode selected there is no power output, the display says 0
>
> When I activate the tuner, regardless of band, it shows no SWR, says 5
> watts
> out, but there is NO POWER OUT of it. It always acts like it is matching,
> or
> sounds like it is.
>
> Ronnie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Frantz
> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2020 11:40 AM
> To: w5sum at comcast.net
> Cc: Ian Kahn ; Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Issue
>
> The K3 can get antennas in a bewildering collection of ways. If
> the RX antenna switch is on -- and this was my way of getting on
> reception -- it might be your problem. The K3 can also send
> received signals out on one of the BNC connectors and expect to
> get them back on another.
>
> I recommend a careful reading of the manual, perhaps in PDF form
> with a search for "antenna". The manual is downloadable from the
> Elecraft web site.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
> On 7/19/20 at 12:10 PM, w5sum at comcast.net wrote:
>
> >yes sir.. using antenna port 1 and have it selected.  HOWEVER.. I did
> move
> >the antenna to port 2 and selected that port to no improvement. Same issue
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Bill Frantz        | Privacy is dead, get over | Periwinkle
> (408)348-7900      | it.                       | 150 Rivermead
> Rd #235
> www.pwpconsult.com |    - Scott McNealy (1999) | Peterborough,
> NH 03458
>
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-- 
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From w5sum at comcast.net  Sun Jul 19 13:30:52 2020
From: w5sum at comcast.net (w5sum at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 12:30:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Issue FIXED!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <02f35e25-3e67-3606-c256-da78099f1c1b@gmail.com>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-7884F152D39143F39DF76D2014BFF9AD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local><1F3FE96D47BA41539DDE017D55653DF6@MININTMC1HLDC>
	<02f35e25-3e67-3606-c256-da78099f1c1b@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2D1A44B869E641BA8C4567BE80437CBB@MININTMC1HLDC>

First let me thank each and every one of you for your suggestions.
Victor, 4X6GP suggested I check all the small cables going in and out of the 
Synthesizers and THERE IT WAS!!  One of them was completely out!!  Plugged 
it back in and all is well!!

Man you guys are great!! Thanks so much for all the help!

Ronnie W5SUM

-----Original Message----- 
From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2020 12:00 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Issue

I suggest that you call Elecraft Support on Monday. I'm sure they have a
diagnostic procedure that they can take you through on the phone. Even
if there IS a failure somewhere, chances are that you can fix it
yourself with their help.

Just guessing, but I suggest you open it and make sure all the small
coax cables to the synthesizers are well seated. Since it was recently
shipped, something could have worked loose.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 19/07/2020 19:53, w5sum at comcast.net wrote:
> ok I'm going to be answering several of your suggestions at once
> here.
>
> First, when I powered off last night, I used the power button on the
> K3 itself, I did not kill the power supply first
>
> The sub RX has been turned off and the RX Ant is NOT selected. Ant 1
> is selected and the Antenna IS plugged into the port
>
> The is NO noise shown on the S meter and I have a pretty constant S3
> to S5 noise here at my qth.
>
> Regardless of mode selected there is no power output, the display
> says 0
>
> When I activate the tuner, regardless of band, it shows no SWR, says
> 5 watts out, but there is NO POWER OUT of it. It always acts like it
> is matching, or sounds like it is.
>
> Ronnie
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Bill Frantz Sent: Sunday, July 19,
> 2020 11:40 AM To: w5sum at comcast.net Cc: Ian Kahn ; Elecraft
> Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Issue
>
> The K3 can get antennas in a bewildering collection of ways. If the
> RX antenna switch is on -- and this was my way of getting on reception --  
> it might be your problem. The K3 can also send received
> signals out on one of the BNC connectors and expect to get them back
> on another.
>
> I recommend a careful reading of the manual, perhaps in PDF form with
> a search for "antenna". The manual is downloadable from the Elecraft
> web site.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
> On 7/19/20 at 12:10 PM, w5sum at comcast.net wrote:
>
>> yes sir.. using antenna port 1 and have it selected.  HOWEVER.. I
>> did move the antenna to port 2 and selected that port to no
>> improvement. Same issue
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
Bill Frantz        | Privacy is dead, get over | Periwinkle
> (408)348-7900      | it.                       | 150 Rivermead Rd
> #235 www.pwpconsult.com |    - Scott McNealy (1999) | Peterborough, NH 
> 03458 ______________________________________________________________ 
> Elecraft mailing list Home:
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:
> http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:
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>
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Jul 19 13:42:41 2020
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 10:42:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners
In-Reply-To: <A2886443-3A44-49D6-9361-F6C195C0C274@illinois.edu>
References: <9170461DD4F440429930AD3FF6124E26@WIN7LowProfile>
	<A2886443-3A44-49D6-9361-F6C195C0C274@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <1fb4f042-40e6-7576-6153-664f3306934a@foothill.net>

More than just them.? Steve, K6OIK, who has presented at a number of 
past Pacificons speaks about the Myths of Conjugate Matching in a 
Pacificon presentation from 2011 at 
https://www.fars.k6ya.org/docs/Conjugate-Match-Myths.pdf It begins on 
page 20.? This is Dr. Stearns home turf, it can be a little technically 
dense in places.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/18/2020 3:46 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
> Wasn't there a debate between Maxwell and Walter Bruene (designed the Collins 30L1) on the conjugate match...I think Bruene disagreed with the popular notion of a conjugate match.
>
> Jack BMW Motorcycles
> Chuck KE9UW
> c-hawley at illinois.edu
>
>


From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk  Sun Jul 19 14:59:43 2020
From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 15:59:43 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Cooling Fans
In-Reply-To: <83c91681-3587-a376-eac1-96f6a2d76a0b@pinewooddata.com>
References: <79E5D0D0-3805-4EDF-A60F-853099A40E97@mac.com>
	<83c91681-3587-a376-eac1-96f6a2d76a0b@pinewooddata.com>
Message-ID: <9655ec38-0388-786b-80ac-415bfc92a6c0@horizon.co.fk>

Hi,

FWIW.

Test conditions measured under the K3 DISP menu:

14.1V
1.38A Sub RX on
PA 32C
FP 40C

PA fans off
PA fans on/off at 36C/35C

Room temp 22C

K3 FP and PA temp sensors calibrated against a laboratory thermometer 
adjacent to the K3.

Never really noticed when the PA fans come on in idle conditions due to 
PC fan noise.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO

On 19/07/2020 12:15, John Simmons wrote:
 > Tom,
 >
 > Interesting post. I thought this was the case with my K3 also, but i 
figured out later that it was the fan in my power supply instead. Poor 
hearing!
 >
 > -de John NI0K
 >
 > Tom Doligalski via Elecraft wrote on 7/19/2020 8:41 AM:
 >> I am the original owner of K3/100 #969, which still works great.
 >>
 >> I?ve noticed that recently the cooling fan comes on occasionally 
even if the radio is on, but not in use (volume down, no transmitting). 
FP temperature shows 41 C, and PA temperature is at 35 C
 >>
 >> This is not at objectionable at all, but made me wonder if this was 
a cause for concern.
 >>
 >> Any ideas?
 >>
 >> Tom W4KX

On 19/07/2020 12:15, John Simmons wrote:
> Tom,
> 
> Interesting post. I thought this was the case with my K3 also, but i 
> figured out later that it was the fan in my power supply instead. Poor 
> hearing!
> 
> -de John NI0K
> 
> Tom Doligalski via Elecraft wrote on 7/19/2020 8:41 AM:
>> I am the original owner of K3/100 #969, which still works great.
>>
>> I?ve noticed that recently the cooling fan comes on occasionally even 
>> if the radio is on, but not in use (volume down, no transmitting). FP 
>> temperature shows 41 C, and PA temperature is at 35 C
>>
>> This is not at objectionable at all, but made me wonder if this was a 
>> cause for concern.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Tom W4KX

From pa2a at xs4all.nl  Sun Jul 19 15:19:57 2020
From: pa2a at xs4all.nl (Steef PA2A)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 21:19:57 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Cooling Fans
In-Reply-To: <mailman.4679.1595178087.3115.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.4679.1595178087.3115.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <754596625e143aff94d0409f0060252c@xs4all.nl>

Tom,

a few weeks ago the PA temperature of my K3 #1184 jumped between 32 and 
41 degrees Celsius during receive, and the fans went on and off. The 
problem went away after dismantling the K3 completely for another 
problem and the fan/temp problem has vanished. Maybe some loose 
connector had caused the problem. Monitoring the PA temp can be the 
first step to solve the problem.

73s Steef PA2A

>> From: Tom Doligalski <w4kx at mac.com>
>> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Cooling Fans
>> 
>> I am the original owner of K3/100 #969, which still works great.
>> 
>> I?ve noticed that recently the cooling fan comes on occasionally even 
>> if the radio is on, but not in use >>(volume down, no transmitting). 
>> FP temperature shows 41 C, and PA temperature is at 35 C
>> 
>> This is not at objectionable at all, but made me wonder if this was a 
>> cause for concern.
>> 
>> Any ideas?
>> 
>> Tom W4KX

From pa2a at xs4all.nl  Sun Jul 19 15:34:16 2020
From: pa2a at xs4all.nl (Steef PA2A)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 21:34:16 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Issue
In-Reply-To: <mailman.4679.1595178087.3115.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.4679.1595178087.3115.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <30843376c6f7f2aab7931f2b19943406@xs4all.nl>

Ronnie,

a few months ago I had the same problem when my K3 #1184 was on for 
about an hour. No RX, and no TX output. The KSYN3A synthesizer seemed to 
have lost contact with the rest of the K3 and it gave different error 
codes. The problem has finally been solved by disassembling the complete 
K3 and SUBRX with all of its TMP cables, and I suspect one of these 
cables caused the problem. An intermittent contact of the KREF3 
reference oscillator could also be the cause.

73s Steef PA2A

> From: Ronnie W5SUM <w5sum at comcast.net>
> To: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Issue
> 
> Good Morning
> 
> I purchased a used K3 a couple of weeks ago and received it last 
> thursday. I
> hooked it up and it worked GREAT.  Used it for SSB and CW contacts on 
> 80M
> and ssb on 10M.  Shut it down about 8pm last night. Turned it on this
> morning, and it has white noise audio but receives no signals at all.
> Nothing showing on the S meter either not even noise.   NO POWER OUTPUT
> either.
> 
> Has anyone every seen a sudden failure like this?  I'm heartbroken as I 
> am
> fearful of a astronomical repair charge from Elecraft and the person I
> bought it from is offering no warranty at all and since it was used I
> totally understand that part.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Ronnie W5SUM

From k9yeq at live.com  Sun Jul 19 16:13:21 2020
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 20:13:21 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Issue
In-Reply-To: <02f35e25-3e67-3606-c256-da78099f1c1b@gmail.com>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-7884F152D39143F39DF76D2014BFF9AD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<1F3FE96D47BA41539DDE017D55653DF6@MININTMC1HLDC>,
	<02f35e25-3e67-3606-c256-da78099f1c1b@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB68703EA3D1DE218C96FA9B289C7A0@CH2PR02MB6870.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Before doing that be sure your connections are secured to antenna and it is working.

Have a great day!
Bill

________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2020 12:00:19 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Issue

I suggest that you call Elecraft Support on Monday. I'm sure they have a
diagnostic procedure that they can take you through on the phone. Even
if there IS a failure somewhere, chances are that you can fix it
yourself with their help.

Just guessing, but I suggest you open it and make sure all the small
coax cables to the synthesizers are well seated. Since it was recently
shipped, something could have worked loose.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 19/07/2020 19:53, w5sum at comcast.net wrote:
> ok I'm going to be answering several of your suggestions at once
> here.
>
> First, when I powered off last night, I used the power button on the
> K3 itself, I did not kill the power supply first
>
> The sub RX has been turned off and the RX Ant is NOT selected. Ant 1
> is selected and the Antenna IS plugged into the port
>
> The is NO noise shown on the S meter and I have a pretty constant S3
> to S5 noise here at my qth.
>
> Regardless of mode selected there is no power output, the display
> says 0
>
> When I activate the tuner, regardless of band, it shows no SWR, says
> 5 watts out, but there is NO POWER OUT of it. It always acts like it
> is matching, or sounds like it is.
>
> Ronnie
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Bill Frantz Sent: Sunday, July 19,
> 2020 11:40 AM To: w5sum at comcast.net Cc: Ian Kahn ; Elecraft
> Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Issue
>
> The K3 can get antennas in a bewildering collection of ways. If the
> RX antenna switch is on -- and this was my way of getting on
> reception -- it might be your problem. The K3 can also send received
> signals out on one of the BNC connectors and expect to get them back
> on another.
>
> I recommend a careful reading of the manual, perhaps in PDF form with
> a search for "antenna". The manual is downloadable from the Elecraft
> web site.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
> On 7/19/20 at 12:10 PM, w5sum at comcast.net wrote:
>
>> yes sir.. using antenna port 1 and have it selected.  HOWEVER.. I
>> did move the antenna to port 2 and selected that port to no
>> improvement. Same issue
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
Bill Frantz        | Privacy is dead, get over | Periwinkle
> (408)348-7900      | it.                       | 150 Rivermead Rd
> #235 www.pwpconsult.com<http://www.pwpconsult.com> |    - Scott McNealy (1999) | Peterborough,
> NH 03458
> ______________________________________________________________
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> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:
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From dave at nk7z.net  Sun Jul 19 16:14:25 2020
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 13:14:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Issue FIXED!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <2D1A44B869E641BA8C4567BE80437CBB@MININTMC1HLDC>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-7884F152D39143F39DF76D2014BFF9AD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<1F3FE96D47BA41539DDE017D55653DF6@MININTMC1HLDC>
	<02f35e25-3e67-3606-c256-da78099f1c1b@gmail.com>
	<2D1A44B869E641BA8C4567BE80437CBB@MININTMC1HLDC>
Message-ID: <92db553d-738c-4897-8fea-3c4e42e53cb5@nk7z.net>

God knows how much they beat the radio in shipping!

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 7/19/20 10:30 AM, w5sum at comcast.net wrote:
> First let me thank each and every one of you for your suggestions.
> Victor, 4X6GP suggested I check all the small cables going in and out of 
> the Synthesizers and THERE IT WAS!!? One of them was completely out!!  
> Plugged it back in and all is well!!
> 
> Man you guys are great!! Thanks so much for all the help!
> 
> Ronnie W5SUM
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP
> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2020 12:00 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Issue
> 
> I suggest that you call Elecraft Support on Monday. I'm sure they have a
> diagnostic procedure that they can take you through on the phone. Even
> if there IS a failure somewhere, chances are that you can fix it
> yourself with their help.
> 
> Just guessing, but I suggest you open it and make sure all the small
> coax cables to the synthesizers are well seated. Since it was recently
> shipped, something could have worked loose.
> 
> 73,
> Victor, 4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> Formerly K2VCO
> CWops no. 5
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
> 
> On 19/07/2020 19:53, w5sum at comcast.net wrote:
>> ok I'm going to be answering several of your suggestions at once
>> here.
>>
>> First, when I powered off last night, I used the power button on the
>> K3 itself, I did not kill the power supply first
>>
>> The sub RX has been turned off and the RX Ant is NOT selected. Ant 1
>> is selected and the Antenna IS plugged into the port
>>
>> The is NO noise shown on the S meter and I have a pretty constant S3
>> to S5 noise here at my qth.
>>
>> Regardless of mode selected there is no power output, the display
>> says 0
>>
>> When I activate the tuner, regardless of band, it shows no SWR, says
>> 5 watts out, but there is NO POWER OUT of it. It always acts like it
>> is matching, or sounds like it is.
>>
>> Ronnie
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Bill Frantz Sent: Sunday, July 19,
>> 2020 11:40 AM To: w5sum at comcast.net Cc: Ian Kahn ; Elecraft
>> Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Issue
>>
>> The K3 can get antennas in a bewildering collection of ways. If the
>> RX antenna switch is on -- and this was my way of getting on reception 
>> -- it might be your problem. The K3 can also send received
>> signals out on one of the BNC connectors and expect to get them back
>> on another.
>>
>> I recommend a careful reading of the manual, perhaps in PDF form with
>> a search for "antenna". The manual is downloadable from the Elecraft
>> web site.
>>
>> 73 Bill AE6JV
>>
>> On 7/19/20 at 12:10 PM, w5sum at comcast.net wrote:
>>
>>> yes sir.. using antenna port 1 and have it selected.? HOWEVER.. I
>>> did move the antenna to port 2 and selected that port to no
>>> improvement. Same issue
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
> Bill Frantz??????? | Privacy is dead, get over | Periwinkle
>> (408)348-7900????? | it.?????????????????????? | 150 Rivermead Rd
>> #235 www.pwpconsult.com |??? - Scott McNealy (1999) | Peterborough, NH 
>> 03458 ______________________________________________________________ 
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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sun Jul 19 16:50:14 2020
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 16:50:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Issue FIXED!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <92db553d-738c-4897-8fea-3c4e42e53cb5@nk7z.net>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-7884F152D39143F39DF76D2014BFF9AD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<1F3FE96D47BA41539DDE017D55653DF6@MININTMC1HLDC>
	<02f35e25-3e67-3606-c256-da78099f1c1b@gmail.com>
	<2D1A44B869E641BA8C4567BE80437CBB@MININTMC1HLDC>
	<92db553d-738c-4897-8fea-3c4e42e53cb5@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <34533B1B-B589-4878-9BF1-A0AA931480D2@gmail.com>


Glad to hear you got the problem solved, Ronnie,.   A properly seated TMP connector isn?t like to just pop out, even with the rigors of shipping.  So it?s a better than even bet it wasn?t properly seated to begin with.  If shipping actually did that to a seated TMP connector, you probably would have received a very non-rectangular radio with a forklift tine through the front panel :-)

Grant NQ5T

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sun Jul 19 16:52:14 2020
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 13:52:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 with K4 tracks VFOs with 1 kHz resolution
Message-ID: <67BF190D-8311-46E9-ABC0-C12CF3F5B567@elecraft.com>

Those using a K4 transceiver with our KPA1500 amp will have the advantage of +/- 1 kHz resolution in VFO tracking. In many stations, this finer resolution will result in lower SWR and improved amplifier performance, especially on the lower bands. (The original resolution was +/- 8 kHz.)

This is part an overall upgrade of our Auxbus control interface, taking advantage of the additional processing resources available in the K4. The revised protocol allows for more robust RFI rejection, as well as future enhancements to amp/tuner control. 

At present only the KPA1500 supports radio type K4, but we hope to add this capability to the KPA500 and KAT500 in the near future.

All amps and tuners will continue to support the original Auxbus protocol, remaining 100% compatible with our existing transceivers.

73,
Wayne
N6KR








From mspmail2 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 19 17:02:37 2020
From: mspmail2 at gmail.com (Mike Parkes)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 21:02:37 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Receive Opposite Sideband and I.F. Image Nulling
	question
Message-ID: <CAP4v5qyxouhDudOyXco1tfudRR_J8+f7Vt8ySDXK3g+bNEa5gw@mail.gmail.com>

I am trying to perform only page 5 of the RX sideband null procedure, and
and have a question. (My KX3 is a later serial number 9852 and according to
the RX sideband null A8.doc, most of this nulling procedure was performed
when the KXFL3 was installed by Elecraft, the only part not done(?) is the
2nd part of the  RX SHFT=8.0 I.F. Image (16 kHz) Nulling procedure which is
on page 5 of the PDF document.)

So, I am trying to work through this (using an XG3 with its freqs set per
the instructions to  1810, 3510, 5310, 7010, 10110, 14010, 18110, 21010,
24910, 28010, 50010) and I am at Page 5, Step 7:

  7. Optimize RX SHFT=8.0 I.F. image gain and phase settings as follows: a.
Set both the signal source and KX3 to the target band (starting with 160
m). Recall that *the VFO should be set 16 kHz higher than the signal source*.
Make sure you?re in CW mode. (Note: You can change bands and modes from
within the RXSBNUL menu entry.) *You should hear a strong signal,* and see
an S-meter reading of between S9 and S9+30 dB. If not, adjust the preamp
setting or the RF source level.

What strong signal? With the KX3 iin CW mode, set to 16 KHz higher than the
signal generator frequency, there is no signal at all heard! If I tune down
on 160 meters to the XG3 freq at 1.810 KHz then it is very strong S9. What
am I doing wrong here?
Thanks for any help!

Mike AB7RU

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sun Jul 19 17:18:57 2020
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 17:18:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Receive Opposite Sideband and I.F. Image
 Nulling question
In-Reply-To: <CAP4v5qyxouhDudOyXco1tfudRR_J8+f7Vt8ySDXK3g+bNEa5gw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP4v5qyxouhDudOyXco1tfudRR_J8+f7Vt8ySDXK3g+bNEa5gw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BF0B3ADF-0503-4EA7-95C7-6DD207EA3CAC@gmail.com>

I think there?s a problem with the instructions.  I could not hear a signal when the VFO was set 16 KHz above the KX3 frequency with RIT off as you say.  But you will hear it with RIT turned on.

Grant NQ5T



> On Jul 19, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Mike Parkes <mspmail2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am trying to perform only page 5 of the RX sideband null procedure, and
> and have a question. (My KX3 is a later serial number 9852 and according to
> the RX sideband null A8.doc, most of this nulling procedure was performed
> when the KXFL3 was installed by Elecraft, the only part not done(?) is the
> 2nd part of the  RX SHFT=8.0 I.F. Image (16 kHz) Nulling procedure which is
> on page 5 of the PDF document.)
> 
> So, I am trying to work through this (using an XG3 with its freqs set per
> the instructions to  1810, 3510, 5310, 7010, 10110, 14010, 18110, 21010,
> 24910, 28010, 50010) and I am at Page 5, Step 7:
> 
>  7. Optimize RX SHFT=8.0 I.F. image gain and phase settings as follows: a.
> Set both the signal source and KX3 to the target band (starting with 160
> m). Recall that *the VFO should be set 16 kHz higher than the signal source*.
> Make sure you?re in CW mode. (Note: You can change bands and modes from
> within the RXSBNUL menu entry.) *You should hear a strong signal,* and see
> an S-meter reading of between S9 and S9+30 dB. If not, adjust the preamp
> setting or the RF source level.
> 
> What strong signal? With the KX3 iin CW mode, set to 16 KHz higher than the
> signal generator frequency, there is no signal at all heard! If I tune down
> on 160 meters to the XG3 freq at 1.810 KHz then it is very strong S9. What
> am I doing wrong here?
> Thanks for any help!
> 
> Mike AB7RU
> ______________________________________________________________


From alorona at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jul 19 17:52:21 2020
From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 21:52:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
In-Reply-To: <ea76abe9-0ab2-7e9b-cebe-d82b95a5bb01@triconet.org>
References: <202007171747.06HHlb8p021560@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
	<c2215b18-b08f-6b61-afc8-a7672afcaaeb@gmail.com>
	<ea76abe9-0ab2-7e9b-cebe-d82b95a5bb01@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <936693186.3411705.1595195541110@mail.yahoo.com>

Using AC6LA's Line Loss calculator, and making the following assumptions:

Line impedance: 420 ohms,? (1/4" copper pipe spaced 4 inches apart)
SWR at antenna:? 14.0? (Z = 30 ohms)
Line attenuation:? 0.0266 dB/100 feet? (Duffy, "RF Two Wire Transmission Line Loss Calculator", owenduffy.net/calc/tl/twllc.htm)
Length of line:? 500 feet? (conservative estimate that probably represents a worst-case?)
Frequency: 10 MHz
___________________________

Total Line Loss = 0.891 dB



>>>I've seen pictures of those SW transmitting plants and always assumed that they 
>>>must have been very efficient.? Upon reflection---no pun intended---now I'm not 
>>>so sure.??

From a.durbin at msn.com  Sun Jul 19 17:54:17 2020
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 21:54:17 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 with K4 tracks VFOs with 1 kHz resolution
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB29683217D51836931FC1F2868C7A0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"Those using a K4 transceiver with our KPA1500 amp will have the advantage of +/- 1 kHz resolution in VFO tracking. "

How does that help anything if the tuner bin width is 8 kHz?  I could provide any frequency update resolution I wanted with my controller but I chose to limit it to 8 kHz to match the KAT500.   Doesn't the KPA1500 also have 8 kHz wide bins?

Will the frequency priority logic of the KPA1500 change?  Doesn't RF detected frequency with 8 kHz resolution, and some uncertainty in detected frequency, override any frequency provided by Aux bus or CAT?

If these limitations have been overcome for KPA1500 will the changes be rolled back into the KAT500?

Andy, k3wyc

From vk2bj.au at gmail.com  Sun Jul 19 18:14:01 2020
From: vk2bj.au at gmail.com (Barry Simpson)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 08:14:01 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Issue
In-Reply-To: <1F3FE96D47BA41539DDE017D55653DF6@MININTMC1HLDC>
References: <1F3FE96D47BA41539DDE017D55653DF6@MININTMC1HLDC>
Message-ID: <687B7E5F-F50F-40DB-999D-3124436DF145@gmail.com>

It sounds like an antenna connector problem .

Sent from my iPhone

> On 20 Jul 2020, at 02:53, w5sum at comcast.net wrote:
> 
> ?ok I'm going to be answering several of your suggestions at once here.
> 
> First, when I powered off last night, I used the power button on the K3 itself, I did not kill the power supply first
> 
> The sub RX has been turned off and the RX Ant is NOT selected. Ant 1 is selected and the Antenna IS plugged into the port
> 
> The is NO noise shown on the S meter and I have a pretty constant S3  to S5 noise here at my qth.
> 
> Regardless of mode selected there is no power output, the display says 0
> 
> When I activate the tuner, regardless of band, it shows no SWR, says 5 watts out, but there is NO POWER OUT of it. It always acts like it is matching, or sounds like it is.
> 
> Ronnie
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Bill Frantz
> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2020 11:40 AM
> To: w5sum at comcast.net
> Cc: Ian Kahn ; Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Issue
> 
> The K3 can get antennas in a bewildering collection of ways. If
> the RX antenna switch is on -- and this was my way of getting on
> reception -- it might be your problem. The K3 can also send
> received signals out on one of the BNC connectors and expect to
> get them back on another.
> 
> I recommend a careful reading of the manual, perhaps in PDF form
> with a search for "antenna". The manual is downloadable from the
> Elecraft web site.
> 
> 73 Bill AE6JV
> 
>> On 7/19/20 at 12:10 PM, w5sum at comcast.net wrote:
>> 
>> yes sir.. using antenna port 1 and have it selected.  HOWEVER.. I did move the antenna to port 2 and selected that port to no improvement. Same issue
> 
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From n6tv at arrl.net  Sun Jul 19 18:50:39 2020
From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 15:50:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 and RTTY question
In-Reply-To: <r480Ps-10146i-0558320258CB41D481CE42FB369F0175@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-0558320258CB41D481CE42FB369F0175@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <CAOmNKG+KreqGWw1p3CO=FVXisecXC96p-9xzmDVfMUhcWZ+iXQ@mail.gmail.com>

Bill,

Before it can be "fixed" in the K4, the logging software has to be fixed to
send the proper KY command.  If it is sending KY<blank>*somes-string*;,
then the messages are not going to be chained.  If it is sending KYW
*some-string*;, then the messages should be properly chained, perhaps with
a very brief pause in between if 0x04 (Ctrl-D, ^D or EOT -- ASCII End of
Transmission character) is appended at the very end of a each chained
message, before the terminating semicolon.  The "W" means "wait for message
completion," as documented in the K3 Programming Manual.

However, once a message sent via KYW starts, you will not be able to
interrupt the transmission by pressing "Escape" or sending an "RX;"
command.  The RX; won't be processed until the message completes, which
isn't very helpful.

Maybe *that* will be addressed (somehow) in the K4.

In sum, if you need chaining more than you need message interrupt
capability, use KYW in your macros.  If you need message interrupt
capability more than you need chaining, use KY<blank>.  If you need both,
maybe you'll have to "wait" (sorry) to see if the K4 team comes up with
some way to interrupt chained messages already in progress via a special
"high priority" software command or key tap.

73,
Bob, N6TV

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 7:39 AM Bill Frantz <frantz at pwpconsult.com> wrote:

> I'm getting ready for NAQP RTTY today, and I am reminded of an
> old bug using the KY CAT command to send RTTY text. I am using
> RUMlogNG on my MacBook Pro in contest mode which uses the CAT
> interface to send and receive RTTY. (It also uses CAT with CW.)
>
> If I try to chain output, e.g. press the function key to send my
> callsign several times, frequently the first parts of the
> chained output are dropped, as shown by the text shown in the
> VFO-B display.
>
> This does not occur on CW, so I think the CW to Data conversion
> may be involved. The command is defined in the programmer's
> Reference as:
>
>    KY (CW or CW-to-DATA Keying from Text;
>
> If I chain by using a K3 memory and pressing the M1-4 button
> several times, the VFO-B display shows "CHAIN" and things appear
> to work correctly.
>
> I will admit, that while I can check what is being sent by
> listening to the monitor tones with CW, but I can't quite be
> sure about the RTTY.
>
> Will this problem be fixed on the K4?
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
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From Webrider at nc.rr.com  Sun Jul 19 20:40:18 2020
From: Webrider at nc.rr.com (Webrider at nc.rr.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 20:40:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 For Sale, #03965, $735
Message-ID: <5CF70320-2DDE-463F-B7C9-2D6103756796@nc.rr.com>

?I have a very good K2 for sale.  It has been to visit Don Wilhelm W3FPR twice before he retired from working on K2 radios.  He upgraded the radio, gave it the latest versions, and made everything perfect.  He also built the I/O serial style usb cable adapter plug and cable that attaches to the back.  I bought a KUSB serial cable from Elecraft to use with the cable adapter plug.

I have been considering selling this for a year or so.  I use my KX2 and FTDX3000 D often, and hardly ever use the K2 anymore.  I would rather sell it to somebody else so they could use it, than let it continue to sit here not being used.
The serial number is 03965.

The radio has the following options installed.
KAF2 Audio Filter and Real-Time Clock
KSB2 SSB Adapter
KNB2 High Performance Noise Blanker
K160M 160M and 2nd RX Port
KIO2 RS-232 Interface and Aux I/0
KAT2 Automatic Antenna Tuner
The KBT2 battery option was installed.  I removed it for easier access when adding the other options, and it will be include though it is not installed.  There is no KBT2 battery with he radio.
There is no mic.  The plug is wired for an Elecraft mic.
The manual is included.
I most recently swapped out the speaker and speaker cloth with new ones from Elecraft.
Price is $735 firm.  Shipping with insurance will be an additional $30.00

Payment will be a Postal Money Order or if in person, cash.

I will ship the radio after the Postal Money Order clears the bank.  
If you are serious, and would like pictures or video, please email me.

Thank you,
73, Steve - KI4EZL 
KI4EZL at NC.RR.Com



From al7cr at mooseaviation.com  Sun Jul 19 22:33:41 2020
From: al7cr at mooseaviation.com (AL7CR)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 19:33:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 with K4 tracks VFOs with 1 kHz resolution
In-Reply-To: <67BF190D-8311-46E9-ABC0-C12CF3F5B567@elecraft.com>
References: <67BF190D-8311-46E9-ABC0-C12CF3F5B567@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <db61946c-c471-4a68-95ed-6b353277aab0@www.fastmail.com>

Can you please confirm this means, at present, that the K4 does NOT interface with the KPA 500 and KTA 500 via the Auxbus.  If so, that is a major disappointment.  I presume operation is still possible in the frequency sensing mode as it is with non Elecraft amps.  Just writing that last sentence makes me sad.  

I would have thought the K4 would have shipped with a K3 compatibility mode.  Surely I am not the only one considering replacing my K3 with a K4 and expecting not to lose capability.  It is also a bit sad that, if I understand correctly, you only HOPE to add compatibility in the near future.  There must be more KPA/KTA 500 out there than KPA 1500 by a huge margin.

AL7CR



On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Those using a K4 transceiver with our KPA1500 amp will have the 
> advantage of +/- 1 kHz resolution in VFO tracking. In many stations, 
> this finer resolution will result in lower SWR and improved amplifier 
> performance, especially on the lower bands. (The original resolution 
> was +/- 8 kHz.)
> 
> This is part an overall upgrade of our Auxbus control interface, taking 
> advantage of the additional processing resources available in the K4. 
> The revised protocol allows for more robust RFI rejection, as well as 
> future enhancements to amp/tuner control. 
> 
> At present only the KPA1500 supports radio type K4, but we hope to add 
> this capability to the KPA500 and KAT500 in the near future.
> 
> All amps and tuners will continue to support the original Auxbus 
> protocol, remaining 100% compatible with our existing transceivers.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From dandrew1 at me.com  Sun Jul 19 22:34:20 2020
From: dandrew1 at me.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 22:34:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 Charging source
Message-ID: <70F7785C-C8F0-474F-9F8C-A1FA10A10ED6@me.com>

I am looking for recommendation for a compact switching power supply product to recharge my KX3 via the installed KXBC3.  I had been using a Bioenno external battery pack, but have decided to start using internal NiMH batteries when on the road.
73, 
Dave
KA1DA

From dick at elecraft.com  Sun Jul 19 22:39:59 2020
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 19:39:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 with K4 tracks VFOs with 1 kHz resolution
In-Reply-To: <db61946c-c471-4a68-95ed-6b353277aab0@www.fastmail.com>
References: <db61946c-c471-4a68-95ed-6b353277aab0@www.fastmail.com>
Message-ID: <B6916C99-E72B-4FAE-9B37-755B7D23E7E4@elecraft.com>

That?s not at all what it means.  K4 interfaces via AUXBUS with KPA500 and KAT500 as a K3.

73 de Dick, K6KR

> On Jul 19, 2020, at 19:35, AL7CR <al7cr at mooseaviation.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Can you please confirm this means, at present, that the K4 does NOT interface with the KPA 500 and KTA 500 via the Auxbus.  If so, that is a major disappointment.  I presume operation is still possible in the frequency sensing mode as it is with non Elecraft amps.  Just writing that last sentence makes me sad.  
> 
> I would have thought the K4 would have shipped with a K3 compatibility mode.  Surely I am not the only one considering replacing my K3 with a K4 and expecting not to lose capability.  It is also a bit sad that, if I understand correctly, you only HOPE to add compatibility in the near future.  There must be more KPA/KTA 500 out there than KPA 1500 by a huge margin.
> 
> AL7CR
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> Those using a K4 transceiver with our KPA1500 amp will have the 
>> advantage of +/- 1 kHz resolution in VFO tracking. In many stations, 
>> this finer resolution will result in lower SWR and improved amplifier 
>> performance, especially on the lower bands. (The original resolution 
>> was +/- 8 kHz.)
>> 
>> This is part an overall upgrade of our Auxbus control interface, taking 
>> advantage of the additional processing resources available in the K4. 
>> The revised protocol allows for more robust RFI rejection, as well as 
>> future enhancements to amp/tuner control. 
>> 
>> At present only the KPA1500 supports radio type K4, but we hope to add 
>> this capability to the KPA500 and KAT500 in the near future.
>> 
>> All amps and tuners will continue to support the original Auxbus 
>> protocol, remaining 100% compatible with our existing transceivers.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From a.durbin at msn.com  Sun Jul 19 23:13:33 2020
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 03:13:33 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 with K4 tracks VFOs with 1 kHz resolution
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB29683217D51836931FC1F2868C7A0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29683217D51836931FC1F2868C7A0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB2968FC53AF4859B11B5CA5568C7B0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"How does that help anything if the tuner bin width is 8 kHz? "

I had confused the rf frequency detect counter resolution with the bin width.

For KAT 500:

Below 3 MHz the segments are 10 kHz wide.
>From 3 MHz through 26 MHz the segments are 20 kHz wide.
>From 26 MHz to 38 MHz the segments are 100 kHz wide.
>From 38 MHz to 60 MHz the segments are 200 kHz wide.

For KPA1500:

160 Meters, 10 kHz Steps
80 Meters, 10 kHz Steps
60 Meters, 20 kHz Steps
40 Meters, 20 kHz Steps
30 Meters, 20 kHz Steps
20 Meters, 20 kHz Steps
17 Meters, 20 kHz Steps
15 Meters, 20 kHz Steps
12 Meters, 20 kHz Steps
10 Meters, 100 kHz Steps
6 Meters, 200 kHz Steps

Both data sets extracted from the user guides.  They seem to be similar but I have not checked every frequency range.

I still don't see the advantage of AUX bus giving the KPA1500 the TX frequency to 1 kHz resolution.   What am I missing?

Andy, k3wyc



From Snielsen3 at nc.rr.com  Sun Jul 19 23:21:15 2020
From: Snielsen3 at nc.rr.com (Snielsen3 at nc.rr.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 23:21:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 For Sale, #03965, $735
Message-ID: <61E4A970-8AEE-47DA-90C8-D6960DFBA96D@nc.rr.com>

The K2 is now sold, pending receiving and clearance of the money order.

Thank you and 73, Steve - KI4EZL 

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Jul 19 23:23:23 2020
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 20:23:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 with K4 tracks VFOs with 1 kHz resolution
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On 7/19/2020 8:13 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:
> I still don't see the advantage of AUX bus giving the KPA1500 the TX frequency to 1 kHz resolution.   What am I missing?

At this point in time, it may not matter. But who knows how we will be 
using our radios 10-15 years from now? The early K3s on my operating 
desk were built in 2007, and probably designed a year or two earlier. 
There are a few things about those radios I wish were a bit better. 
Great designers (and leaders) have the intellect and imagination to 
think WAY ahead of today, and plan for tomorrow.

73, Jim K9YC

From al7cr at mooseaviation.com  Sun Jul 19 23:37:22 2020
From: al7cr at mooseaviation.com (AL7CR)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 20:37:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3-2M TO-220 Retainer and Nylon Screw
Message-ID: <7b6bdb8d-3089-4116-b28b-01f820ac6286@www.fastmail.com>

Does anyone know if these parts are a recent change?  My pal is sending me his board and it did not have these parts.  The heat sink was attached to the case directly with a metal screw and the nylon screw was not present and the hole for it empty.

If the parts are strictly required I will try and get them from the factory tomorrow.

Thanks for the help.

AL7CR

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Jul 20 00:25:36 2020
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 21:25:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 with K4 tracks VFOs with 1 kHz resolution
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Andy (K3WYC) wrote:

> I still don't see the advantage of AUX bus giving the KPA1500 the TX frequency to 1 kHz resolution.   What am I missing?


Hi Andy,

The improved resolution ensures that the correct bin is detected when you get within +/- 1 kHz of the target ATU LC data bin rather than +/- 8 kHz. This improves repeatability of selected LC values vs. VFO frequency, especially on 160 and 80 meters where it's most likely to matter.

This also means that, in the future, we could use smaller bin width on some bands if desired. This could be helpful if you were using the ATU to fine-tune a very narrowband antenna such as a loop or electrically short vertical.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Jul 20 00:28:47 2020
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 21:28:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 with K4 tracks VFOs with 1 kHz resolution
In-Reply-To: <db61946c-c471-4a68-95ed-6b353277aab0@www.fastmail.com>
References: <67BF190D-8311-46E9-ABC0-C12CF3F5B567@elecraft.com>
	<db61946c-c471-4a68-95ed-6b353277aab0@www.fastmail.com>
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The K4 defaults to K3/K3S auxbus protocol, ensuring compatibility with a KPA500, KAT500, or KPA1500. 

It will only use the new protocol if the amp or tuner has been configured to use K4 mode. 

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Jul 19, 2020, at 7:33 PM, AL7CR <al7cr at mooseaviation.com> wrote:
> 
> Can you please confirm this means, at present, that the K4 does NOT interface with the KPA 500 and KTA 500 via the Auxbus.  If so, that is a major disappointment.  I presume operation is still possible in the frequency sensing mode as it is with non Elecraft amps.  Just writing that last sentence makes me sad.  
> 
> I would have thought the K4 would have shipped with a K3 compatibility mode.  Surely I am not the only one considering replacing my K3 with a K4 and expecting not to lose capability.  It is also a bit sad that, if I understand correctly, you only HOPE to add compatibility in the near future.  There must be more KPA/KTA 500 out there than KPA 1500 by a huge margin.
> 
> AL7CR
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> Those using a K4 transceiver with our KPA1500 amp will have the 
>> advantage of +/- 1 kHz resolution in VFO tracking. In many stations, 
>> this finer resolution will result in lower SWR and improved amplifier 
>> performance, especially on the lower bands. (The original resolution 
>> was +/- 8 kHz.)
>> 
>> This is part an overall upgrade of our Auxbus control interface, taking 
>> advantage of the additional processing resources available in the K4. 
>> The revised protocol allows for more robust RFI rejection, as well as 
>> future enhancements to amp/tuner control. 
>> 
>> At present only the KPA1500 supports radio type K4, but we hope to add 
>> this capability to the KPA500 and KAT500 in the near future.
>> 
>> All amps and tuners will continue to support the original Auxbus 
>> protocol, remaining 100% compatible with our existing transceivers.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From kevinr at coho.net  Mon Jul 20 01:22:27 2020
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 22:22:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <a1a80b2e-597b-689c-b55c-5a3433878ee2@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? High haze came in.? Better contrast would be nice because a comet 
looks like a stream of smoke.? Last night I found Neowise under the Big 
Dipper but it was noticeably fainter than two days before.? It will be 
visible in binoculars for another few weeks.

 ?? Conditions were poor to OK.? QRN on twenty meters and a persistent 
ESP signal on forty meters.? I think I was trying to copy the noise.? 
The Midwest is hot and wet.? If you have a lawn of an acre or more you 
are continuously mowing it.? There are no breaks until the first frost.? 
Plus you have very healthy mosquitoes.? They always make a difference.

 ?? Roy reported the hottest temperature at 105 while Brian was still in 
the coastal clouds at 60 degrees.? It got to 85 here on the mountain.? 
Even now it has not cooled very much.? The bugs want to invade here too.


 ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

K6XK - Roy - IA

NO8V - John - MI

K4TO - Dave - KY


 ? On 7047.5 kHz at 0000z:

WM5F - Dwight - ID

K6PJV - Dale - CA

K0DTJ - Brian - CA


Until next week stay cool, get on the air, and 73,

 ???? Kevin.? KD5ONS



_


Antelope Freeway 1/64 mile.



From k7sss at aol.com  Mon Jul 20 02:07:56 2020
From: k7sss at aol.com (k7sss at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 06:07:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 Charging source
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Highly recommend the Pro Audio Engineering.com power supply. model PAE-Kx3373Jim Hk7sss?In a message dated 7/19/2020 7:37:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, elecraft at mailman.qth.net writes:?
I am looking for recommendation for a compact switching power supply product to recharge my KX3 via the installed KXBC3.? I had been using a Bioenno external battery pack, but have decided to start using internal NiMH batteries when on the road.73, DaveKA1DA______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net?This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to k7sss at aol.com 

From norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 20 04:59:02 2020
From: norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com (Eric Norris)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 01:59:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 with K4 tracks VFOs with 1 kHz resolution
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Very, very desired!

73 Eric WD6DBM

On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 9:26 PM Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

>
> This also means that, in the future, we could use smaller bin width on
> some bands if desired. This could be helpful if you were using the ATU to
> fine-tune a very narrowband antenna such as a loop or electrically short
>

From rocketnj at gmail.com  Mon Jul 20 07:32:41 2020
From: rocketnj at gmail.com (rocketnj at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 07:32:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 with K4 tracks VFOs with 1 kHz resolution
In-Reply-To: <D52DEE71-35CE-44A5-B876-6D66D4CD7E60@elecraft.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29683217D51836931FC1F2868C7A0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>	<BYAPR16MB2968FC53AF4859B11B5CA5568C7B0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
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Hi Wayne,

Can future KPA1500 firmware allow the smaller bins to be utilized via
standard CAT protocol over TCP/IP? I can feed the amp exact frequency info
via a Node Red Raspberry Pi. Right now using CAT over the KXUSB cable. 
Also it would be desirable to have CAT take priority over internal frequency
counter on the amp. I've had the internal counter fail and the amp was in
never never land when trying to transmit.

I do have to say that after all the mods were done (current to when I sent
in the RF deck) the amp has worked flawlessly. Many thousands of QSOs.  
Any way to track if there are additional mods to the amp that have been
incorporated since last serviced? I would think if there were something
major that existing owners would be notified.


73
Dave wo2x



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Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 12:26 AM
To: Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 with K4 tracks VFOs with 1 kHz resolution

Andy (K3WYC) wrote:

> I still don't see the advantage of AUX bus giving the KPA1500 the TX
frequency to 1 kHz resolution.   What am I missing?


Hi Andy,

The improved resolution ensures that the correct bin is detected when you
get within +/- 1 kHz of the target ATU LC data bin rather than +/- 8 kHz.
This improves repeatability of selected LC values vs. VFO frequency,
especially on 160 and 80 meters where it's most likely to matter.

This also means that, in the future, we could use smaller bin width on some
bands if desired. This could be helpful if you were using the ATU to
fine-tune a very narrowband antenna such as a loop or electrically short
vertical.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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From a.durbin at msn.com  Mon Jul 20 08:00:28 2020
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 12:00:28 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 with K4 tracks VFOs with 1 kHz resolution
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Hi Wayne,

"The improved resolution ensures that the correct bin is detected when you get within +/- 1 kHz of the target ATU LC data bin rather than +/- 8 kHz."

It has always been possible to provide the KAT500 and KPA1500 with TX frequency to 1 kHz resolution using the serial interface.

KAT500:
F (Frequency, GET and SET)
GET format: F;
SET/RESPONSE format: F nnnnn; where nnnnn is the approximate frequency of the last transmitted signal, in kHz.

KPA1500:
^FR Frequency
GET format: ^FR;
RESPONSE/SET format: ^FRfffff; where fffff is the most recent frequency in kHz.

However, both the KPA1500 and KAT500 tuners are designed to replace AUX or Serial provided frequency with RF detected frequency.  This means that, even if the bin is selected accurately with serial or AUX frequency, the tuning solution is likely to change as soon as TX starts.   This will only be prevented if RF detected frequency does not replace CAT or AUX provided frequency.  This is a change I have been asking for almost as long as I have owned my KAT500.  (Dick has my KAT500 defect/enhancement reports)

Hopefully this change to K4 design will accelerate some of the fixes/improvements in both KAT500 and KPA1500 tuner firmware.

73,
Andy, k3wyc


From jd at ko8v.net  Mon Jul 20 09:52:10 2020
From: jd at ko8v.net (Joe DeVincentis)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 09:52:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Cooling Fans
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Message-ID: <14994CBE-25EE-41F5-AD94-44F91A39D5F0@ko8v.net>

Personally, I wouldn't be concerned about the radio just yet.  There's a couple of other variables to check first.

How's the air flow around the radio? 

What's the ambient temp right around the radio (not the room, but right next to the radio)?

Any thing sitting on top of the radio?  Heat needs an easy escape.

Any heat generating items near the radio (e.g. incandescent lights)?


BTW, if the fan noise is objectionable, you can replace the fans with Noctua fans that have very similar characteristics and are quieter.  I used Noctua NF-A6x25 FLX fans.  The specs were almost identical and the fans are quieter.  

Here's a post regarding the fan replacement: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Fan-Replacement-td7592075.html <http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Fan-Replacement-td7592075.html>.  No modifications to the K3s was needed.  

Joe, KO8V


> On Jul 19, 2020, at 09:41, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> I am the original owner of K3/100 #969, which still works great. 
> 
> I?ve noticed that recently the cooling fan comes on occasionally even if the radio is on, but not in use (volume down, no transmitting). FP temperature shows 41 C, and PA temperature is at 35 C  
> 
> This is not at objectionable at all, but made me wonder if this was a cause for concern. 
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Tom W4KX


From jd at ko8v.net  Mon Jul 20 10:02:40 2020
From: jd at ko8v.net (Joe DeVincentis)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 10:02:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 and RTTY question
In-Reply-To: <CAOmNKG+KreqGWw1p3CO=FVXisecXC96p-9xzmDVfMUhcWZ+iXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-0558320258CB41D481CE42FB369F0175@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
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Message-ID: <0409EAE8-2AE8-4515-8104-E64A42ABE03F@ko8v.net>

Personally, I'd like to see the K4 support something like the TinyFSK protocol for doing RTTY.

It could present multiple serial ports.  one for CAT, one for FSK and one for Keying.  The FSK could emulate tinyFSK and the keyer could emulate the K1EL keyers.   That way programs don't need to fight over who gets the serial ports. 

While I despise the following phrase as a SW guy (specifically embedded real time operating systems):  Hey, it's just S/W.  I can see this as very doable in the K4 given what I know about the architecture to date..  Much harder in the K3s.

Joe, KO8V

> On Jul 19, 2020, at 18:50, Bob Wilson, N6TV <n6tv at arrl.net> wrote:
> 
> Bill,
> 
> Before it can be "fixed" in the K4, the logging software has to be fixed to
> send the proper KY command.  If it is sending KY<blank>*somes-string*;,
> then the messages are not going to be chained.  If it is sending KYW
> *some-string*;, then the messages should be properly chained, perhaps with
> a very brief pause in between if 0x04 (Ctrl-D, ^D or EOT -- ASCII End of
> Transmission character) is appended at the very end of a each chained
> message, before the terminating semicolon.  The "W" means "wait for message
> completion," as documented in the K3 Programming Manual.
> 
> However, once a message sent via KYW starts, you will not be able to
> interrupt the transmission by pressing "Escape" or sending an "RX;"
> command.  The RX; won't be processed until the message completes, which
> isn't very helpful.
> 
> Maybe *that* will be addressed (somehow) in the K4.
> 
> In sum, if you need chaining more than you need message interrupt
> capability, use KYW in your macros.  If you need message interrupt
> capability more than you need chaining, use KY<blank>.  If you need both,
> maybe you'll have to "wait" (sorry) to see if the K4 team comes up with
> some way to interrupt chained messages already in progress via a special
> "high priority" software command or key tap.
> 
> 73,
> Bob, N6TV
> 
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 7:39 AM Bill Frantz <frantz at pwpconsult.com <mailto:frantz at pwpconsult.com>> wrote:
> 
>> I'm getting ready for NAQP RTTY today, and I am reminded of an
>> old bug using the KY CAT command to send RTTY text. I am using
>> RUMlogNG on my MacBook Pro in contest mode which uses the CAT
>> interface to send and receive RTTY. (It also uses CAT with CW.)
>> 
>> If I try to chain output, e.g. press the function key to send my
>> callsign several times, frequently the first parts of the
>> chained output are dropped, as shown by the text shown in the
>> VFO-B display.
>> 
>> This does not occur on CW, so I think the CW to Data conversion
>> may be involved. The command is defined in the programmer's
>> Reference as:
>> 
>>   KY (CW or CW-to-DATA Keying from Text;
>> 
>> If I chain by using a K3 memory and pressing the M1-4 button
>> several times, the VFO-B display shows "CHAIN" and things appear
>> to work correctly.
>> 
>> I will admit, that while I can check what is being sent by
>> listening to the monitor tones with CW, but I can't quite be
>> sure about the RTTY.
>> 
>> Will this problem be fixed on the K4?
>> 
>> 73 Bill AE6JV
>> 
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> (408)348-7900      | library burns. - Joe McGawon | 150
>> Rivermead Rd #235
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>> Peterborough, NH 03458
>> 
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From ch at murgatroid.com  Mon Jul 20 12:17:36 2020
From: ch at murgatroid.com (Christopher Hoover)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 09:17:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 and RTTY question
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	<CAOmNKG+KreqGWw1p3CO=FVXisecXC96p-9xzmDVfMUhcWZ+iXQ@mail.gmail.com>
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+1 for winkeyer support.   73 de AI6KG

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 7:03 AM Joe DeVincentis <jd at ko8v.net> wrote:

> Personally, I'd like to see the K4 support something like the TinyFSK
> protocol for doing RTTY.
>
> It could present multiple serial ports.  one for CAT, one for FSK and one
> for Keying.  The FSK could emulate tinyFSK and the keyer could emulate the
> K1EL keyers.   That way programs don't need to fight over who gets the
> serial ports.
>
> While I despise the following phrase as a SW guy (specifically embedded
> real time operating systems):  Hey, it's just S/W.  I can see this as very
> doable in the K4 given what I know about the architecture to date..  Much
> harder in the K3s.
>
> Joe, KO8V
>
> > On Jul 19, 2020, at 18:50, Bob Wilson, N6TV <n6tv at arrl.net> wrote:
> >
> > Bill,
> >
> > Before it can be "fixed" in the K4, the logging software has to be fixed
> to
> > send the proper KY command.  If it is sending KY<blank>*somes-string*;,
> > then the messages are not going to be chained.  If it is sending KYW
> > *some-string*;, then the messages should be properly chained, perhaps
> with
> > a very brief pause in between if 0x04 (Ctrl-D, ^D or EOT -- ASCII End of
> > Transmission character) is appended at the very end of a each chained
> > message, before the terminating semicolon.  The "W" means "wait for
> message
> > completion," as documented in the K3 Programming Manual.
> >
> > However, once a message sent via KYW starts, you will not be able to
> > interrupt the transmission by pressing "Escape" or sending an "RX;"
> > command.  The RX; won't be processed until the message completes, which
> > isn't very helpful.
> >
> > Maybe *that* will be addressed (somehow) in the K4.
> >
> > In sum, if you need chaining more than you need message interrupt
> > capability, use KYW in your macros.  If you need message interrupt
> > capability more than you need chaining, use KY<blank>.  If you need both,
> > maybe you'll have to "wait" (sorry) to see if the K4 team comes up with
> > some way to interrupt chained messages already in progress via a special
> > "high priority" software command or key tap.
> >
> > 73,
> > Bob, N6TV
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 7:39 AM Bill Frantz <frantz at pwpconsult.com
> <mailto:frantz at pwpconsult.com>> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm getting ready for NAQP RTTY today, and I am reminded of an
> >> old bug using the KY CAT command to send RTTY text. I am using
> >> RUMlogNG on my MacBook Pro in contest mode which uses the CAT
> >> interface to send and receive RTTY. (It also uses CAT with CW.)
> >>
> >> If I try to chain output, e.g. press the function key to send my
> >> callsign several times, frequently the first parts of the
> >> chained output are dropped, as shown by the text shown in the
> >> VFO-B display.
> >>
> >> This does not occur on CW, so I think the CW to Data conversion
> >> may be involved. The command is defined in the programmer's
> >> Reference as:
> >>
> >>   KY (CW or CW-to-DATA Keying from Text;
> >>
> >> If I chain by using a K3 memory and pressing the M1-4 button
> >> several times, the VFO-B display shows "CHAIN" and things appear
> >> to work correctly.
> >>
> >> I will admit, that while I can check what is being sent by
> >> listening to the monitor tones with CW, but I can't quite be
> >> sure about the RTTY.
> >>
> >> Will this problem be fixed on the K4?
> >>
> >> 73 Bill AE6JV
> >>
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From n6tv at arrl.net  Mon Jul 20 12:52:13 2020
From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 09:52:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 and RTTY question
In-Reply-To: <0409EAE8-2AE8-4515-8104-E64A42ABE03F@ko8v.net>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-0558320258CB41D481CE42FB369F0175@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<CAOmNKG+KreqGWw1p3CO=FVXisecXC96p-9xzmDVfMUhcWZ+iXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<0409EAE8-2AE8-4515-8104-E64A42ABE03F@ko8v.net>
Message-ID: <CAOmNKG+ZKiYqn9XB3GxvL9HAF4PST2u7ZrmSCQ6Eb1J65duh1g@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 7:03 AM Joe DeVincentis <jd at ko8v.net> wrote:

> Personally, I'd like to see the K4 support something like the TinyFSK
> protocol for doing RTTY.
>

There's really no urgent reason to do this once the KY host command is
improved to allow message stacking with interrupt capability.  If you want
to use TinyFSK (which has its own problems), connect a Mortty to the K4 ACC
port, same as you would on a K3.  If you don't want to solder your own
DE-15 connector, or if your ACC port is already occupied, use a Y-BOX
<https://bit.ly/Y-BOX> plus 3.5mm stereo to dual RCA cable to connect
Mortty to K3 or K4.  I have a few of both still in stock.  It will take a
few weeks to order more boards if there is sufficient demand.

It could present multiple serial ports.  one for CAT, one for FSK and one
> for Keying.


This is already in plan.  The K4 provides two virtual serial ports via the
USB cable (FTDI), one legacy 9-pin serial port, plus the 15-pin ACC port.
Any of them may be used for FSK keying, PTT, and CW keying, using MMTTY or
your logging software.  This is keying via TXD, DTR, or RTS pins, with no
external hardware required (unless using ACC pins).  EXTFSK will be
required on the virtual serial ports.  The 9-pin legacy port will not
require EXTFSK if your PC serial port or USB-to-Serial adapter doesn't
require it (example:  Edgeport/4).

  The FSK could emulate tinyFSK and the keyer could emulate the K1EL
> keyers.   That way programs don't need to fight over who gets the serial
> ports.
>

There will be no more fights over the serial port because the K4 has more
than one, and they will operate independently and in parallel (unlike
Icom rigs, which provide one and only one virtual serial port pin at a time
for PTT keying).

TinyFSK has a problem.  Using it with MMTTY and a Mortty, try the "send
RYRYRY... forever" macro while using TinyFSK.FSK.  Hear the problem?  It
hesitates every 32 characters or so.  So its timing is not as "perfect" as
claimed, at least not with that configuration.

While I despise the following phrase as a SW guy (specifically embedded
> real time operating systems):  Hey, it's just S/W.  I can see this as very
> doable in the K4 given what I know about the architecture to date..  Much
> harder in the K3s.
>

As a software guy, you can appreciate that it is impossible to perfectly
emulate someone else's code (or chip) if you have no access to the source
code, and only work from the external API.  Lots of devices have attempted
to emulate the WinKey interface, but none of them are 100% compatible with
the chip.  This includes RemoteRig boxes, the YCCC SO2R Box, the Mortty,
etc.  None of them will pass the WKTEST program (
https://www.hamcrafters2.com/WKTESTX.html), last time I tried.  The
RemoteRig emulator works OK with N1MM+, but not with Win-Test or DXLog.net
(unless you select a unique option).  These programs all use the WinKey
chip differently.  They work fine with a real chip not with the emulators.
The only devices that pass the WinKey 100% compatibility tests are devices
that use a real WinKey chip inside, such as those provided by the microHAM
devices.

Retooling the K4 to put a real WinKey chip or Mortty hardware inside, or
attempting emulation via firmware, could delay K4 shipment or distract from
other higher priority issues.  It could also raise the price a bit.  I
don't think anyone wants to see either.

Finally, there's no reason for Elecraft to try to take sales opportunities
away from the manufacturers of WinKey and Mortty devices, is there?

73,
Bob, N6TV
https://bit.ly/Y-BOX

From dougfaunt at gmail.com  Mon Jul 20 15:42:51 2020
From: dougfaunt at gmail.com (Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-717-1197)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 12:42:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] GCaptain discovers ham radio
Message-ID: <CAHirYAjqMeJ=-iRGjCtBXLaStRS53TtxORcPD6_4xZYf9oTYWA@mail.gmail.com>

GCaptain, a website for professional mariners, has discovered ham radio:
https://gcaptain.com/watch-the-resurgence-of-amateur-radio-a-silver-lining-of-covid-19/

From f8acf56 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 20 15:50:25 2020
From: f8acf56 at gmail.com (Christophe aufacf)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 21:50:25 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] sidetone problem
Message-ID: <CABA2KTEY47YXgKoJtJv3Xw1Lwyz9=MKUEK3uCSETBHorOA3Luw@mail.gmail.com>

Good morning all ,

I repaired my K2 with Don recently the problem now

I realized that I can handle in Cw but I no longer have at the same
time the sound of the CW of course in emission

the STL 030 menu, whatever the level, nothing changes, any idea?

-- 
73 , F8ACF56

From Webrider at nc.rr.com  Mon Jul 20 16:35:04 2020
From: Webrider at nc.rr.com (Webrider at nc.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 16:35:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 For Sale again (other buyer fell through), #03965,
	$699 plus $36 shipping.
Message-ID: <045246F5-F329-4473-AAC8-E5130D96A880@nc.rr.com>

?
?
?I have a very good Elecraft K2 for sale.  It visited Don Wilhelm W3FPR twice before he retired from working on K2 radios.  Don upgraded the radio with latest versions and made everything perfect.  Don built the I/O serial style usb cable adapter plug that attaches to the back.  I bought a KUSB serial cable from Elecraft to use with the cable adapter plug.
I have been considering selling this for about a year.  I use my KX2  often and hardly use the K2 anymore.  I would rather sell it to somebody else to use then let it sit here not being used.
The radio has the following options installed.
KAF2 Audio Filter and Real-Time Clock
KSB2 SSB Adapter
KNB2 High Performance Noise Blanker
K160M 160M and 2nd RX Port
KIO2 RS-232 Interface and Aux I/0
KAT2 Automatic Antenna Tuner
The KBT2 battery option was installed.  I removed it for easier access when adding the other options, and it will be include though it is not installed.  There is no KBT2 battery with the radio.  
This radio is not the 100 watt version, it?s has the regular 15 watts.
There is no mic though the plug is wired for an Elecraft mic. The manual is included. I most recently swapped out the speaker and speaker cloth with new ones from Elecraft.
Price is $699 firm, plus $36 for insured shipping to the lower 48 states. 
Payment will be a Postal Money Order or if in person, cash. 
I will ship the radio after the Postal Money Order clears the bank.  

Here are two YouTube links to see picture videos of the radio.
https://youtu.be/VnXGKFaZoGs
https://youtu.be/nE6l4XpkPpI

Thank you, 73, Steve - KI4EZL         KI4EZL at GMail.com


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Jul 20 16:56:04 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 16:56:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] sidetone problem
In-Reply-To: <CABA2KTEY47YXgKoJtJv3Xw1Lwyz9=MKUEK3uCSETBHorOA3Luw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABA2KTEY47YXgKoJtJv3Xw1Lwyz9=MKUEK3uCSETBHorOA3Luw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a086ae2d-ff56-601f-fea7-fe016efd286e@embarqmail.com>

Christophe,

You likely do not have the proper sidetone source selected.
Go to the STL menu and set the parameter to about 30 - then tap DISPLAY 
to toggle between U6-25 and U8-4.  Stop when you hear sidetone and exit 
the menu.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/20/2020 3:50 PM, Christophe aufacf wrote:
> Good morning all ,
> 
> I repaired my K2 with Don recently the problem now
> 
> I realized that I can handle in Cw but I no longer have at the same
> time the sound of the CW of course in emission
> 
> the STL 030 menu, whatever the level, nothing changes, any idea?
> 

From jd at ko8v.net  Mon Jul 20 17:14:48 2020
From: jd at ko8v.net (Joe DeVincentis)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 17:14:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 and RTTY question
In-Reply-To: <CAOmNKG+ZKiYqn9XB3GxvL9HAF4PST2u7ZrmSCQ6Eb1J65duh1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-0558320258CB41D481CE42FB369F0175@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<CAOmNKG+KreqGWw1p3CO=FVXisecXC96p-9xzmDVfMUhcWZ+iXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<0409EAE8-2AE8-4515-8104-E64A42ABE03F@ko8v.net>
	<CAOmNKG+ZKiYqn9XB3GxvL9HAF4PST2u7ZrmSCQ6Eb1J65duh1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <92FB4B9F-8BAA-4DBF-8550-6F68DC1B8F81@ko8v.net>

My intent was not to emulate the exact H/W and its problems, but the APIs used (eg, programs using TinyFSK send [ , then text and ] to end the TX).  I know TinyFSK has issues. But I was not intending that Elecraft copy the problems.   I just wanted something similar to what TinyFSK does ( send a '[' to start transmit, send characters, send ']' to end).  It could even be something different.  Just something other than having to string together KY macros which doesn't seem to work well with software other than the K3 utility in conversation mode.

As to the emulating of the winkeyer, I can't comment too much on it as I'm not a CW guy nor a user of a winkeyer product.  If it is tough to get a good emulation on it, then it may not be a good candidate.  I can live with that, others may have different opinion.

The intent is to reduce the number of cables and boxes involved.  One cable from the K4 to the computer and I get everything I need to do every digital mode that can be generated on a computer).  In addition, I don't have to rely on the Windows machine to do any thing but send data characters to the machine at rates faster than the radio can put it out on the air (e.g send RTTY characters at 9600 baud for 45.45 output).  That ensures, I'm not at the mercy of Windows stalling on a character send due its lack of being able to do anything with determinism.  That's why I'm. not a fan of using windows keying a line to generate FSK.  Too many non real time issues to have the guarantee. 

My goal is as perfect a(n) RTTY signal as I can get when I'm using that mode. I've been looking at the TinyFSK code to see if I can fix the issues i have with it - I've already found one bug in the software (500 doesn't fit in 8 bits).  But that project got put on hold when K4 was announced with the hope I wasn't going to need it.   But if I need it to get a near perfect 45.45 baud, I'll resurrect it and make it work.  The little arduinos should be more than capable.  If not with the original code, I'll put a better RTOS on it.


As to taking business away from Mortty and Winkeyer,   Is Elecraft wrong for taking business from the SDR guys because they put that capability in their radios?   Is it wrong that I  don't need to buy remote rig anymore?  Again, no.   That's two businesses that loose out because of the K4.  And I was considering the purchase of both of those up until the K4 was announced.  

It's the nature of business - adapt or die.  

So far Elecraft has done well adapting.  From what I see the K4 is a great example of adapting.   They listen to their customers and to date they can see the handwriting on the wall when things change (touchscreen with knobs, SDR, Ethernet, remote capability all built in).  As an example of listening, I can personally attest to it.  When I chatted with Eric at Dayton about the K4, I gave him an idea for the machine.  It was good enough that he stopped chatting, put a note in his phone and asked me not to patent it.  I don't think he was kidding either.  Maybe he was, but it did make me feel good.  I just hope that idea made it into the radio. 


Joe,
KO8V

> On Jul 20, 2020, at 12:52, Bob Wilson, N6TV <n6tv at arrl.net> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 7:03 AM Joe DeVincentis <jd at ko8v.net <mailto:jd at ko8v.net>> wrote:
> Personally, I'd like to see the K4 support something like the TinyFSK protocol for doing RTTY.
> 
> There's really no urgent reason to do this once the KY host command is improved to allow message stacking with interrupt capability.  If you want to use TinyFSK (which has its own problems), connect a Mortty to the K4 ACC port, same as you would on a K3.  If you don't want to solder your own DE-15 connector, or if your ACC port is already occupied, use a Y-BOX <https://bit.ly/Y-BOX> plus 3.5mm stereo to dual RCA cable to connect Mortty to K3 or K4.  I have a few of both still in stock.  It will take a few weeks to order more boards if there is sufficient demand.
> 
> It could present multiple serial ports.  one for CAT, one for FSK and one for Keying.
> 
> This is already in plan.  The K4 provides two virtual serial ports via the USB cable (FTDI), one legacy 9-pin serial port, plus the 15-pin ACC port.  Any of them may be used for FSK keying, PTT, and CW keying, using MMTTY or your logging software.  This is keying via TXD, DTR, or RTS pins, with no external hardware required (unless using ACC pins).  EXTFSK will be required on the virtual serial ports.  The 9-pin legacy port will not require EXTFSK if your PC serial port or USB-to-Serial adapter doesn't require it (example:  Edgeport/4).
> 
>   The FSK could emulate tinyFSK and the keyer could emulate the K1EL keyers.   That way programs don't need to fight over who gets the serial ports. 
> 
> There will be no more fights over the serial port because the K4 has more than one, and they will operate independently and in parallel (unlike Icom rigs, which provide one and only one virtual serial port pin at a time for PTT keying).
> 
> TinyFSK has a problem.  Using it with MMTTY and a Mortty, try the "send RYRYRY... forever" macro while using TinyFSK.FSK.  Hear the problem?  It hesitates every 32 characters or so.  So its timing is not as "perfect" as claimed, at least not with that configuration.
> 
> While I despise the following phrase as a SW guy (specifically embedded real time operating systems):  Hey, it's just S/W.  I can see this as very doable in the K4 given what I know about the architecture to date..  Much harder in the K3s.
> 
> As a software guy, you can appreciate that it is impossible to perfectly emulate someone else's code (or chip) if you have no access to the source code, and only work from the external API.  Lots of devices have attempted to emulate the WinKey interface, but none of them are 100% compatible with the chip.  This includes RemoteRig boxes, the YCCC SO2R Box, the Mortty, etc.  None of them will pass the WKTEST program (https://www.hamcrafters2.com/WKTESTX.html <https://www.hamcrafters2.com/WKTESTX.html>), last time I tried.  The RemoteRig emulator works OK with N1MM+, but not with Win-Test or DXLog.net (unless you select a unique option).  These programs all use the WinKey chip differently.  They work fine with a real chip not with the emulators.  The only devices that pass the WinKey 100% compatibility tests are devices that use a real WinKey chip inside, such as those provided by the microHAM devices.
> 
> Retooling the K4 to put a real WinKey chip or Mortty hardware inside, or attempting emulation via firmware, could delay K4 shipment or distract from other higher priority issues.  It could also raise the price a bit.  I don't think anyone wants to see either.
> 
> Finally, there's no reason for Elecraft to try to take sales opportunities away from the manufacturers of WinKey and Mortty devices, is there?
> 
> 73,
> Bob, N6TV
> https://bit.ly/Y-BOX <https://bit.ly/Y-BOX>

From catah at bubble.org  Mon Jul 20 17:42:32 2020
From: catah at bubble.org (Bruce)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 17:42:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 center frequency
In-Reply-To: <d632e963-0dfd-3eca-0fd9-bb9af3dd2dbb@bubble.org>
References: <d632e963-0dfd-3eca-0fd9-bb9af3dd2dbb@bubble.org>
Message-ID: <f80c3818-1012-246a-cf43-30d9cc97622c@bubble.org>


FWIW:? The KX3 shares the same wonky behavior.
Plus inconsistent quirks about forgetting "Scale" and "Ref" settings.? 
Esp after band/mode changes.

Supporting and remembering separate settings for:? CW? vs. "voice" 
widths for "Span" would be a welcome improvement.


Bruce? W2SE


On 7/18/20 08:10, Jim McDonald wrote:
> Why doesn't the P3 always remember the same center frequency when 
> returning
> to the band?
>
> Jim N7US
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From alan at wilcoxengineering.com  Mon Jul 20 19:52:30 2020
From: alan at wilcoxengineering.com (Alan D. Wilcox)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 19:52:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2][K1] Legacy Tuneups, Rescue, Build Services
Message-ID: <191fa156-f84b-f1bb-b248-883c5dcaf5be@wilcoxengineering.com>

Hello,

Does your K1 or K2 need repair? Tuneup?
Want to sell, but it needs some attention before offering it for sale?
In addition to tuning your rig, I can also rescue a building project you 
might have started some time ago.

See what my clients have said about my construction and service work at 
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Photos of the popular "Twins" -- the KPA100 and KAT100 in EC2 enclosure 
-- are at
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Cheers,
Alan

Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX (K2-5373, K3-40)
570-916-9590 (cell, text)
http://amazon.com/author/alandwilcox
Williamsport, PA 17701



From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Mon Jul 20 19:54:29 2020
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 19:54:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 and RTTY question
In-Reply-To: <CAOmNKG+KreqGWw1p3CO=FVXisecXC96p-9xzmDVfMUhcWZ+iXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-C963FEF25D414CCDBFC8E5E5B6A5587C@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

I don't think the logging software is the problem. Since the KY 
command works for both CW and RTTY, I tried an experiment: I 
switched the mode using the K3's front panel from Data to CW and 
the problem did not occur. (I listened to the monitor output.) 
The UI for the program still showed RTTY, so I don't think it 
noticed my change and changed its behavior.

There may be a problem handling the Control-D character in the 
K3. This character is ignored in CW, but it tells the K3 to stop 
sending RTTY when processed in RTTY. My guess is that RUMlogNG 
appends it to all KY sends. If another KY command's data is 
added to existing data in the buffer, The Control-D at the end 
of the first set of data may cause the second KY's data to lose 
the first character.

What should happen if the last character in the buffer is a 
Control-D, and more data is added, is to remove the Control-D so 
the two sets of data are merged for transmission.

Now I'm getting tempted to haul the KX3 up next to the K3 and 
decode what actually goes out over the air. Another interesting 
question is what happens if the first character of the second 
part of a chain is a "W"?

BTW, I worked on similar software systems when writing the 
Tymnet interface for Tymshare's IBM/370 VM systems.

73 & GL Bill AE6JV

On 7/19/20 at 6:50 PM, n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV) wrote:

>Bill,
>
>Before it can be "fixed" in the K4, the logging software has to be fixed to
>send the proper KY command.  If it is sending KY<blank>*somes-string*;,
>then the messages are not going to be chained.  If it is sending KYW
>*some-string*;, then the messages should be properly chained, perhaps with
>a very brief pause in between if 0x04 (Ctrl-D, ^D or EOT -- ASCII End of
>Transmission character) is appended at the very end of a each chained
>message, before the terminating semicolon.  The "W" means "wait for message
>completion," as documented in the K3 Programming Manual.
>
>However, once a message sent via KYW starts, you will not be able to
>interrupt the transmission by pressing "Escape" or sending an "RX;"
>command.  The RX; won't be processed until the message completes, which
>isn't very helpful.
>
>Maybe *that* will be addressed (somehow) in the K4.
>
>In sum, if you need chaining more than you need message interrupt
>capability, use KYW in your macros.  If you need message interrupt
>capability more than you need chaining, use KY<blank>.  If you need both,
>maybe you'll have to "wait" (sorry) to see if the K4 team comes up with
>some way to interrupt chained messages already in progress via a special
>"high priority" software command or key tap.
>
>73,
>Bob, N6TV
>
>On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 7:39 AM Bill Frantz <frantz at pwpconsult.com> wrote:
>
>>I'm getting ready for NAQP RTTY today, and I am reminded of an
>>old bug using the KY CAT command to send RTTY text. I am using
>>RUMlogNG on my MacBook Pro in contest mode which uses the CAT
>>interface to send and receive RTTY. (It also uses CAT with CW.)
>>
>>If I try to chain output, e.g. press the function key to send my
>>callsign several times, frequently the first parts of the
>>chained output are dropped, as shown by the text shown in the
>>VFO-B display.
>>
>>This does not occur on CW, so I think the CW to Data conversion
>>may be involved. The command is defined in the programmer's
>>Reference as:
>>
>>KY (CW or CW-to-DATA Keying from Text;
>>
>>If I chain by using a K3 memory and pressing the M1-4 button
>>several times, the VFO-B display shows "CHAIN" and things appear
>>to work correctly.
>>
>>I will admit, that while I can check what is being sent by
>>listening to the monitor tones with CW, but I can't quite be
>>sure about the RTTY.
>>
>>Will this problem be fixed on the K4?
>>
>>73 Bill AE6JV

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From phvidston at gmail.com  Mon Jul 20 21:15:32 2020
From: phvidston at gmail.com (Paul Hvidston)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 19:15:32 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] RE Alternative AMP to KX3 since Elecraft has temporarily
 stopped making AMPS
Message-ID: <a636207e-ab2c-909d-17fa-4497cd67f3b6@gmail.com>

Just a quick report on KXPA100 delivery. Ordered June 8, received July
20. A bit beyond initial estimates, but no problem. Businesses are
getting hammered right now. Thanks Elecraft folks!

72/73 de N6MGN



From w1srd at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 20 21:51:29 2020
From: w1srd at yahoo.com (Steve Dyer W1SRD)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 18:51:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Mini For Sale
References: <8698965b-c4c2-7a34-06b7-94f56d6deff2.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8698965b-c4c2-7a34-06b7-94f56d6deff2@yahoo.com>

Elecraft K3/0 Mini in excellent condition.

Includes cable E980263from RRMINICBL to connect to the Remote Rig RRC-1258.

No longer available from Elecraft.

$500 shipped in original box.

73,
Steve
W1SRD

From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Mon Jul 20 23:09:30 2020
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 23:09:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 and RTTY question
In-Reply-To: <r480Ps-10146i-FBBE7A39F8EA4056AFCE60081CCB7EE2@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-7A11B123302B4183A142F03BF9EA1EFB@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

I got spotted 3 times with AE6JV and once with E6JV. ??!!??

Headed back to Rivermead after watching the comet. TTYL

73 Bill AE6JV

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From john at kk9a.com  Tue Jul 21 09:13:57 2020
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 08:13:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 and RTTY question
Message-ID: <20200721081357.Horde.Ip2_8ULxVAKhYNudYBhzzZY@www11.qth.com>


I thought that the suggestion to include WinKey and FSK hardware was a  
good one. It would be nice to plug directly in instead of needing  
additional peripherals.  There already is an internal keyer in most  
newer transceivers so business was taken away from the many external  
keyer manufactures as technology improved.

John KK9A


Bob Wilson, N6TV wrote:


Retooling the K4 to put a real WinKey chip or Mortty hardware inside, or
attempting emulation via firmware, could delay K4 shipment or distract from
other higher priority issues.  It could also raise the price a bit.  I
don't think anyone wants to see either.

Finally, there's no reason for Elecraft to try to take sales opportunities
away from the manufacturers of WinKey and Mortty devices, is there?

73,
Bob, N6TV


From w4kx at mac.com  Tue Jul 21 09:22:30 2020
From: w4kx at mac.com (Tom Doligalski)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 09:22:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Cooling Fans
In-Reply-To: <9655ec38-0388-786b-80ac-415bfc92a6c0@horizon.co.fk>
References: <79E5D0D0-3805-4EDF-A60F-853099A40E97@mac.com>
	<83c91681-3587-a376-eac1-96f6a2d76a0b@pinewooddata.com>
	<9655ec38-0388-786b-80ac-415bfc92a6c0@horizon.co.fk>
Message-ID: <CAC96460-FB6D-499A-AE37-F83D50420ED5@mac.com>

I finally had the fans go off sporadically again, while I was monitoring the temperature. At that time conditions were:

Voltage 13.2 V
Current: 1.3 A (second receiver off)
PA 35 C
FP 41 C

This was after the K3 had been ?idling? all night, with no transmissions and volume turned down to 0. 

These are also the same values that the K3 normally shows?I am to receive a new thermometer later today, and will be calibrating the K3. 

Strange!

Tom W4KX

> On Jul 19, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Mike Harris via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> FWIW.
> 
> Test conditions measured under the K3 DISP menu:
> 
> 14.1V
> 1.38A Sub RX on
> PA 32C
> FP 40C
> 
> PA fans off
> PA fans on/off at 36C/35C
> 
> Room temp 22C
> 
> K3 FP and PA temp sensors calibrated against a laboratory thermometer adjacent to the K3.
> 
> Never really noticed when the PA fans come on in idle conditions due to PC fan noise.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mike VP8NO
> 
> On 19/07/2020 12:15, John Simmons wrote:
> > Tom,
> >
> > Interesting post. I thought this was the case with my K3 also, but i figured out later that it was the fan in my power supply instead. Poor hearing!
> >
> > -de John NI0K
> >
> > Tom Doligalski via Elecraft wrote on 7/19/2020 8:41 AM:
> >> I am the original owner of K3/100 #969, which still works great.
> >>
> >> I?ve noticed that recently the cooling fan comes on occasionally even if the radio is on, but not in use (volume down, no transmitting). FP temperature shows 41 C, and PA temperature is at 35 C
> >>
> >> This is not at objectionable at all, but made me wonder if this was a cause for concern.
> >>
> >> Any ideas?
> >>
> >> Tom W4KX
> 
> On 19/07/2020 12:15, John Simmons wrote:
>> Tom,
>> Interesting post. I thought this was the case with my K3 also, but i figured out later that it was the fan in my power supply instead. Poor hearing!
>> -de John NI0K
>> Tom Doligalski via Elecraft wrote on 7/19/2020 8:41 AM:
>>> I am the original owner of K3/100 #969, which still works great.
>>> 
>>> I?ve noticed that recently the cooling fan comes on occasionally even if the radio is on, but not in use (volume down, no transmitting). FP temperature shows 41 C, and PA temperature is at 35 C
>>> 
>>> This is not at objectionable at all, but made me wonder if this was a cause for concern.
>>> 
>>> Any ideas?
>>> 
>>> Tom W4KX
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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Tue Jul 21 10:27:20 2020
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 10:27:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 and RTTY question
In-Reply-To: <r480Ps-10146i-7A11B123302B4183A142F03BF9EA1EFB@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-038FE8E68F574B15B0DF074465EB0493@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

Apologies to the list. The message quoted below was meant just 
for N6TV.

[I have BCCed the author of RUMlogNG.]

By way of explanation, After my last post on this thread, I got 
a telephone call from TV Bob, N5TV. We discussed the problem and 
narrowed it down quite a bit.

We assume that RUMlogNG is sending RTTY data using the KY CAT 
command(*). We also assume that is isn't using using the W 
(wait) feature. We also assume that it is ending every string 
with EOT to quickly stop transmission.

The UI of RUMlogNG is basically a standard contest logger. It 
has function keys, with basically the same definition of those 
in N1MM. You can also send free text by typing it into a window 
and using buttons to send and stop sending.

What I observe: If I try to chain sends by pressing a function 
key before the entire previous function key message has been 
sent, frequently the first character of the chained message is 
dropped. My usual use case is to press F4 several times to send 
my call multiple times. I first noticed that the "A" in my call, 
AE6JV, was being dropped.

When TV Bob and I discussed the issue, one of our theories was 
that the problem was only in the K3's logic that displayed the 
output of the send. We decided to set up a test using the 
Reverse Beacon Network (RBN) to discover what was actually being 
sent on the air.

I set up F1 to be a bunch of CQs followed by DE, "CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ 
DE". I then started transmitting the CQ message by pressing F1 
followed by 2 presses of F4. I observed the problem on the K3's display.

My message to TV Bob was the results of looking at the RBM 
spots. I will note that while E6JV can be a valid call (from 
Niue, DXCC Entity #188), the RBN did not report any spots before 
I started my experiment. The spot generated from my experiment 
is the right time and frequency to be one of my transmissions.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 7/20/20 at 11:09 PM, frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) wrote:

>I got spotted 3 times with AE6JV and once with E6JV. ??!!??
>
>Headed back to Rivermead after watching the comet. TTYL
>
>73 Bill AE6JV

* The (edited and abridged) description of the KY command from 
the Programmer's Reference:

KY (CW or CW-to-DATA Keying from Text; GET/SET)

SET format: KY*[text]; where * is normally a BLANK and [text] is 
0 to 24 characters. If * is a W (for ?wait?), processing of 
any following host commands will be delayed until the current 
message has been sent. This is useful when a KY command is 
followed by other commands that may have side-effects, e.g., KS 
(keyer speed).
Basic RSP format: KYn; where n is 0 (CW text buffer not full) or 
1 (buffer full). Also see TB command.

The following keyboard characters are mapped to CW "prosigns":
    ( KN    + AR    = BT    % AS    * SK    ! VE

In addition to these prosigns, these special characters can be 
inserted anywhere in the KY command text:

    <  Puts the K3 into TX TEST mode, until a '>' character is received
    >  Returns the K3 to TX NORM mode
    @  In CW mode, this character normally terminates any CW 
message (via KY or manual send), emulating the K2. However, 
tapping 2 in CONFIG:CW WGHT changes ?@? to a prosign: the 
?at? sign as used in e-mail addresses. This is the newest 
Morse Code character; it can be remembered as the prosign 
?AC? (as in ?the At Character?).

   ^D  (EOT, ASCII 04) Quickly terminates transmission; use with CW-to-DATA.



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From w6png at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 21 10:47:17 2020
From: w6png at yahoo.com (Paul Gacek)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 07:47:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Tired of fretting about the K4.....see what a KX2 looks
 like at 12, 800 ft
References: <9B91B843-3FE2-40CE-9FC4-196F59C4963E.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9B91B843-3FE2-40CE-9FC4-196F59C4963E@yahoo.com>

Here are a few snaps of me and my KX2 up in the California Sierra Nevada mountains last Saturday.

Never ceases to amaze me how functional the KX2 is.

https://nomadic.blog/2020/07/21/mount-starr-a-sierra-nevada-gem/ <https://nomadic.blog/2020/07/21/mount-starr-a-sierra-nevada-gem/>

Paul
W6PNG/M0SNA
www.noamdic.blog <http://www.noamdic.blog/>


From n7rcs at icloud.com  Tue Jul 21 11:07:17 2020
From: n7rcs at icloud.com (James Smallwood)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 11:07:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 signal artifact - still seeking a solution
Message-ID: <A018FFE0-B7D5-4E96-9A89-832068FF5674@icloud.com>

> My station consists of a KX3 / PX3 connected via 100 ft of DX Engineering RG-8/U Low-Loss coax through an Alpha Delta antenna switch to a Balun Solutions 4:1 Unun tied to a 31 ft vertical antenna. The antenna and unun are grounded via a copper rod driven 3 feet into sandy soil in South Florida. The entire station is grounded to the ground system of my house by a single copper ground wire which is about 7 ft long. Each piece of station gear (including the antenna switch) is separately grounded to a 2 foot copper pipe tied to that ground. I run the station off a 12v 3Ah Bionenno LiPO battery.
> 
> My question concerns a visual signal artifact of about 5-7dB strength that appears on my PX3, just off the frequency to which I am tuned. The artifact has 2 peaks when viewed at higher resolution. The artifact (which has no audio component) appears to be closely associated with a new Elecraft-provided USB cable connecting my HP Pavillion PC to my PX3. Once the USB cable is disconnected from the PC, the artifact disappears from the PX3 display. As soon as the cable is reconnected, the artifact reappears.The artifact appears regardless of other signals being present.
> 
> I recently purchased and installed a range of Palomar Engineers ferrite snap-ons (>>Mix 31<<) which failed to mitigate this artifact. I coiled as much of the USB cable as possible then clipped on the ferrite beads. This had no effect. I placed additional ferrite beads on other wires and cables associated with my station, but observed no impact on the artifact.
> 
> I am wondering whether I may need a different mix ferrite. Based on what I have shared here, do other solutions present themselves?

> Thanks for sharing any insights or suggestions.
> 
> Jim - N7RCS

From k4to.dave at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 11:24:49 2020
From: k4to.dave at gmail.com (Dave Sublette)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 11:24:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Tired of fretting about the K4.....see what a KX2
 looks like at 12, 800 ft
In-Reply-To: <9B91B843-3FE2-40CE-9FC4-196F59C4963E@yahoo.com>
References: <9B91B843-3FE2-40CE-9FC4-196F59C4963E.ref@yahoo.com>
	<9B91B843-3FE2-40CE-9FC4-196F59C4963E@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAKynJK=iKbaJEQpn14tbkXa2AhfqgdZQsv1nTB7hDqHNHLT7QA@mail.gmail.com>

Beautiful Photography and excellent writing.  I thoroughly enjoyed it.  It
almost makes me want to hook up a mic and try to work you.The altitude is
really impressive.  I am limited to 8000 feet due to 55% lung capacity from
birth.

73,

Dave, K4TO

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 10:47 AM Paul Gacek via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Here are a few snaps of me and my KX2 up in the California Sierra Nevada
> mountains last Saturday.
>
> Never ceases to amaze me how functional the KX2 is.
>
> https://nomadic.blog/2020/07/21/mount-starr-a-sierra-nevada-gem/ <
> https://nomadic.blog/2020/07/21/mount-starr-a-sierra-nevada-gem/>
>
> Paul
> W6PNG/M0SNA
> www.noamdic.blog <http://www.noamdic.blog/>
>
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From david.n5dch at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 11:28:34 2020
From: david.n5dch at gmail.com (David Herring)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 09:28:34 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 signal artifact - still seeking a solution
In-Reply-To: <A018FFE0-B7D5-4E96-9A89-832068FF5674@icloud.com>
References: <A018FFE0-B7D5-4E96-9A89-832068FF5674@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <7C4EA521-96C8-4492-9A00-62026AE16391@gmail.com>

Jim,

There is grounding, bonding and choking.  You?ve tried grounding and choking, it may be time to try bonding. 

Try bonding the PC to the rig with the shortest run practical of either large copper wire or braid. See if that has an effect on the artifact. 

Also, did the choking reduce the strength of the artifact at all? 

I have learned a lot from and thus recommend the papers on grounding, bonding and choking from Jim Brown, K9YC. http://k9yc.com/publish.htm <http://k9yc.com/publish.htm>

73,
David - N5DCH



> On Jul 21, 2020, at 9:07 AM, James Smallwood via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
>> My station consists of a KX3 / PX3 connected via 100 ft of DX Engineering RG-8/U Low-Loss coax through an Alpha Delta antenna switch to a Balun Solutions 4:1 Unun tied to a 31 ft vertical antenna. The antenna and unun are grounded via a copper rod driven 3 feet into sandy soil in South Florida. The entire station is grounded to the ground system of my house by a single copper ground wire which is about 7 ft long. Each piece of station gear (including the antenna switch) is separately grounded to a 2 foot copper pipe tied to that ground. I run the station off a 12v 3Ah Bionenno LiPO battery.
>> 
>> My question concerns a visual signal artifact of about 5-7dB strength that appears on my PX3, just off the frequency to which I am tuned. The artifact has 2 peaks when viewed at higher resolution. The artifact (which has no audio component) appears to be closely associated with a new Elecraft-provided USB cable connecting my HP Pavillion PC to my PX3. Once the USB cable is disconnected from the PC, the artifact disappears from the PX3 display. As soon as the cable is reconnected, the artifact reappears.The artifact appears regardless of other signals being present.
>> 
>> I recently purchased and installed a range of Palomar Engineers ferrite snap-ons (>>Mix 31<<) which failed to mitigate this artifact. I coiled as much of the USB cable as possible then clipped on the ferrite beads. This had no effect. I placed additional ferrite beads on other wires and cables associated with my station, but observed no impact on the artifact.
>> 
>> I am wondering whether I may need a different mix ferrite. Based on what I have shared here, do other solutions present themselves?
> 
>> Thanks for sharing any insights or suggestions.
>> 
>> Jim - N7RCS
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From clark.macaulay at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 12:35:40 2020
From: clark.macaulay at gmail.com (Clark Macaulay)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 12:35:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Tired of fretting about the K4.....see what a KX2
 looks like at 12, 800 ft
In-Reply-To: <CAKynJK=iKbaJEQpn14tbkXa2AhfqgdZQsv1nTB7hDqHNHLT7QA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9B91B843-3FE2-40CE-9FC4-196F59C4963E.ref@yahoo.com>
	<9B91B843-3FE2-40CE-9FC4-196F59C4963E@yahoo.com>
	<CAKynJK=iKbaJEQpn14tbkXa2AhfqgdZQsv1nTB7hDqHNHLT7QA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+KWkDjiCq90BBZHPRb+e1=T0pnMo1A+A2zQcmsZe9fXC=mTLw@mail.gmail.com>

If I had mountains like that out here in Georgia, I would be tempted to
acquire a KX2 for SOTA.  Thanks for sharing !!

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 11:26 AM Dave Sublette <k4to.dave at gmail.com> wrote:

> Beautiful Photography and excellent writing.  I thoroughly enjoyed it.  It
> almost makes me want to hook up a mic and try to work you.The altitude is
> really impressive.  I am limited to 8000 feet due to 55% lung capacity from
> birth.
>
> 73,
>
> Dave, K4TO
>
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 10:47 AM Paul Gacek via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
> > Here are a few snaps of me and my KX2 up in the California Sierra Nevada
> > mountains last Saturday.
> >
> > Never ceases to amaze me how functional the KX2 is.
> >
> > https://nomadic.blog/2020/07/21/mount-starr-a-sierra-nevada-gem/ <
> > https://nomadic.blog/2020/07/21/mount-starr-a-sierra-nevada-gem/>
> >
> > Paul
> > W6PNG/M0SNA
> > www.noamdic.blog <http://www.noamdic.blog/>
> >
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-- 
73,

Clark, WU4B
Little Pistol With Wires
QRPARCI #10815
SKCC #3892
NAQCC #5055
CWOPS #1869
Collins Collectors #AC90-12432
Southeastern DX Club <http://www.sedxc.org>
North Georgia QRP Club <http://www.nogaqrp.org>


*"It is vain to do with more what can be done with less."*
*Attributed to *William of Occam (1288 AD - 1348 AD)

From dbthompson at me.com  Tue Jul 21 12:43:43 2020
From: dbthompson at me.com (David Thompson)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 09:43:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Tired of fretting about the K4.....see what a KX2
 looks like at 12, 800 ft
In-Reply-To: <9B91B843-3FE2-40CE-9FC4-196F59C4963E@yahoo.com>
References: <9B91B843-3FE2-40CE-9FC4-196F59C4963E.ref@yahoo.com>
	<9B91B843-3FE2-40CE-9FC4-196F59C4963E@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0E02B416-A3D4-42C6-8231-F69C678388E7@me.com>

Lovely! That makes me want to get out and do some hiking, but not Class 3!

David Thompson, AG7TX
Jack of All Trades
Master of None
dbthompson at me.com




> On Jul 21, 2020, at 07:47, Paul Gacek via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Here are a few snaps of me and my KX2 up in the California Sierra Nevada mountains last Saturday.
> 
> Never ceases to amaze me how functional the KX2 is.
> 
> https://nomadic.blog/2020/07/21/mount-starr-a-sierra-nevada-gem/ <https://nomadic.blog/2020/07/21/mount-starr-a-sierra-nevada-gem/>
> 
> Paul
> W6PNG/M0SNA
> www.noamdic.blog <http://www.noamdic.blog/>
> 
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From no9e at arrl.net  Tue Jul 21 14:10:47 2020
From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 11:10:47 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 signal artifact - still seeking a solution
In-Reply-To: <A018FFE0-B7D5-4E96-9A89-832068FF5674@icloud.com>
References: <A018FFE0-B7D5-4E96-9A89-832068FF5674@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <1595355047181-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Do artifacts disappear when you have USB cable connected to the laptop but
disconnected from PX3?
Perhaps the USB cable acts like an antenna. 

For RFI transmitted via USB cable, try USB isolator. E.g.,
https://www.amazon.com/SMAKN-Isolator-Digital-Isolation-Industrial/dp/B00XXPO4UG

Ignacy NO9E




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From wi6x.73 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 14:27:05 2020
From: wi6x.73 at gmail.com (wi6x.73 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 11:27:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Tired of fretting about the K4.....see what a KX2
 looks like at 12, 800 ft
In-Reply-To: <9B91B843-3FE2-40CE-9FC4-196F59C4963E@yahoo.com>
References: <9B91B843-3FE2-40CE-9FC4-196F59C4963E.ref@yahoo.com>
	<9B91B843-3FE2-40CE-9FC4-196F59C4963E@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7200BCC3-3396-475B-8D74-C1995F1A3290@gmail.com>

Shhh?keep that area above Tom?s Place a secret.
Keep up the good work Paul.
73,
Jim 
WI6X


> On Jul 21, 2020, at 7:47 AM, Paul Gacek via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Here are a few snaps of me and my KX2 up in the California Sierra Nevada mountains last Saturday.
> 
> Never ceases to amaze me how functional the KX2 is.
> 
> https://nomadic.blog/2020/07/21/mount-starr-a-sierra-nevada-gem/ <https://nomadic.blog/2020/07/21/mount-starr-a-sierra-nevada-gem/>
> 
> Paul
> W6PNG/M0SNA
> www.noamdic.blog <http://www.noamdic.blog/>
> 
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jul 21 16:26:18 2020
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:26:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 signal artifact - still seeking a solution
In-Reply-To: <1595355047181-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <A018FFE0-B7D5-4E96-9A89-832068FF5674@icloud.com>
	<1595355047181-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <36f5a1ac-a470-0754-8dbe-7fa162a380e5@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/21/2020 11:10 AM, Ignacy wrote:
> Perhaps the USB cable acts like an antenna.

That often happens. But it can also excite a Pin One in whatever it is 
connected to on either end.
> 
> For RFI transmitted via USB cable, try USB isolator. E.g.,
> https://www.amazon.com/SMAKN-Isolator-Digital-Isolation-Industrial/dp/B00XXPO4UG

If you have more money than you need, perhaps. But all it takes is to 
wind multiple turns of the "USB antenna" through a #31 ferrite clamp-on. 
They cost a few bucks if you buy from industrial vendors like Arrow and 
hit their minimum order of $50 for anything in stock. Fill up that 
quantity with more ferrite cores -- most of us need them to kill noise 
from the dozens of sources in our own homes!

See http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf

73, Jim K9YC




From david.n5dch at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 17:36:03 2020
From: david.n5dch at gmail.com (David Herring)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 15:36:03 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 signal artifact - still seeking a solution
In-Reply-To: <36f5a1ac-a470-0754-8dbe-7fa162a380e5@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <A018FFE0-B7D5-4E96-9A89-832068FF5674@icloud.com>
	<1595355047181-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<36f5a1ac-a470-0754-8dbe-7fa162a380e5@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <09090D07-7B4C-4559-A8FC-42BE8E69C522@gmail.com>

Jim,

Having percolated on this for a while longer, another thought comes to mind. You mentioned that you tried a ferrite snap-on on the USB cable. In order to really be effective, the USB cable would best be tightly wrapped around the sides of the snap-on in something of a serpentine or sequential fashion, not just randomly coiled up like a garden hose. I don?t know the specifics of how you did it, but I mention this in case you did the garden hose method originally?in that instance it would be a worthy exercise to rework your choke, wrapping it properly and seeing if that then makes a difference. 

Also, it?s not unheard of to need multiple snap-ons with multiple turns each to get enough impedance to choke out the unwanted signal.  Especially if you can?t get 6 to 8 passes through the center of a single snap-on.

Oh, and once you get the snap-on wound, it?s highly recommended to cinch down a zip tie around the circumference to ensure that both ends of the ferrite material inside are making good contact with each other. If there?s the slightest gap, the thing won?t work worth squat.

Hope that helps, and that at least one of these suggestions you?ve been getting on the reflector solves your artifact issue. ;-) 

73,
David - N5DCH



> On Jul 21, 2020, at 2:26 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> 
> On 7/21/2020 11:10 AM, Ignacy wrote:
>> Perhaps the USB cable acts like an antenna.
> 
> That often happens. But it can also excite a Pin One in whatever it is connected to on either end.
>> For RFI transmitted via USB cable, try USB isolator. E.g.,
>> https://www.amazon.com/SMAKN-Isolator-Digital-Isolation-Industrial/dp/B00XXPO4UG
> 
> If you have more money than you need, perhaps. But all it takes is to wind multiple turns of the "USB antenna" through a #31 ferrite clamp-on. They cost a few bucks if you buy from industrial vendors like Arrow and hit their minimum order of $50 for anything in stock. Fill up that quantity with more ferrite cores -- most of us need them to kill noise from the dozens of sources in our own homes!
> 
> See http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
> 
> 
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From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Tue Jul 21 17:40:06 2020
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:40:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 with K4 tracks VFOs with 1 kHz resolution
In-Reply-To: <D52DEE71-35CE-44A5-B876-6D66D4CD7E60@elecraft.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29683217D51836931FC1F2868C7A0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>	<BYAPR16MB2968FC53AF4859B11B5CA5568C7B0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<D52DEE71-35CE-44A5-B876-6D66D4CD7E60@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <026c01d65fa7$808e60c0$81ab2240$@LNAINC.com>

Interesting ... I am seeing issues with my KAT500 not holding a setting, but
jumping to (and displaying) a frequency 200 - 300 KHz lower unpredictably
during a Winlink Vara session.  It always comes back to the correct
frequency when the rig is transmitting, but has to go thru a short
relay-clatter routine to get there.

This is on 80, 40 and 30 meters (all I have tested so far).

For example, if the dial frequency is at 7101 the tuner can't seem to decide
whether to sit on 7104 or 7096.  That doesn't seem to cause a problem as
much as when it suddenly drops to 6874, 6864 or 6856.  I am seeing similar
behavior on 80m and 30m.

I recently did a total reset and reloaded the firmware (v01.75).

Any thoughts?  Bin width?

Thx.
73
Lyn, W0LEN


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2020 11:26 PM
To: Andy Durbin
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 with K4 tracks VFOs with 1 kHz resolution

Andy (K3WYC) wrote:

> I still don't see the advantage of AUX bus giving the KPA1500 the TX
frequency to 1 kHz resolution.   What am I missing?


Hi Andy,

The improved resolution ensures that the correct bin is detected when you
get within +/- 1 kHz of the target ATU LC data bin rather than +/- 8 kHz.
This improves repeatability of selected LC values vs. VFO frequency,
especially on 160 and 80 meters where it's most likely to matter.

This also means that, in the future, we could use smaller bin width on some
bands if desired. This could be helpful if you were using the ATU to
fine-tune a very narrowband antenna such as a loop or electrically short
vertical.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 18:03:10 2020
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 18:03:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 signal artifact - still seeking a solution
In-Reply-To: <09090D07-7B4C-4559-A8FC-42BE8E69C522@gmail.com>
References: <A018FFE0-B7D5-4E96-9A89-832068FF5674@icloud.com>
	<1595355047181-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<36f5a1ac-a470-0754-8dbe-7fa162a380e5@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<09090D07-7B4C-4559-A8FC-42BE8E69C522@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9D801A98-9877-458B-9799-D203371EC387@gmail.com>

If the cable is shielded, and the garbage is on the PC's USB signal lines, an external ferrite won?t do any good.  I don?t know if the cable is shielded or not, but if it is, then the garbage may not be on the shield ? and perhaps the USB isolator might be worth a try.  Maybe.  I don?t know anything about that device ? 

Grant NQ5T

> On Jul 21, 2020, at 5:36 PM, David Herring <david.n5dch at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Jim,
> 
> Having percolated on this for a while longer, another thought comes to mind. You mentioned that you tried a ferrite snap-on on the USB cable. In order to really be effective, the USB cable would best be tightly wrapped around the sides of the snap-on in something of a serpentine or sequential fashion, not just randomly coiled up like a garden hose. I don?t know the specifics of how you did it, but I mention this in case you did the garden hose method originally?in that instance it would be a worthy exercise to rework your choke, wrapping it properly and seeing if that then makes a difference. 
> 
> Also, it?s not unheard of to need multiple snap-ons with multiple turns each to get enough impedance to choke out the unwanted signal.  Especially if you can?t get 6 to 8 passes through the center of a single snap-on.
> 
> Oh, and once you get the snap-on wound, it?s highly recommended to cinch down a zip tie around the circumference to ensure that both ends of the ferrite material inside are making good contact with each other. If there?s the slightest gap, the thing won?t work worth squat.
> 
> Hope that helps, and that at least one of these suggestions you?ve been getting on the reflector solves your artifact issue. ;-) 
> 
> 73,
> David - N5DCH
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 21, 2020, at 2:26 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On 7/21/2020 11:10 AM, Ignacy wrote:
>>> Perhaps the USB cable acts like an antenna.
>> 
>> That often happens. But it can also excite a Pin One in whatever it is connected to on either end.
>>> For RFI transmitted via USB cable, try USB isolator. E.g.,
>>> https://www.amazon.com/SMAKN-Isolator-Digital-Isolation-Industrial/dp/B00XXPO4UG
>> 
>> If you have more money than you need, perhaps. But all it takes is to wind multiple turns of the "USB antenna" through a #31 ferrite clamp-on. They cost a few bucks if you buy from industrial vendors like Arrow and hit their minimum order of $50 for anything in stock. Fill up that quantity with more ferrite cores -- most of us need them to kill noise from the dozens of sources in our own homes!
>> 
>> See http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf
>> 
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From tomw at ecpi.com  Tue Jul 21 18:16:32 2020
From: tomw at ecpi.com (Tom Whiteside)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 17:16:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Using the KPA1500 with an ICOM IC-7300
Message-ID: <00b901d65fac$973b0710$c5b11530$@ecpi.com>

My early vintage K3 headed back to Elecraft for repairs this week and I'm
trying to get my ICOM IC-7300 to fully interface with the KPA1500.   I have
followed the instructions Elecraft includes in the manual plus a great video
from WX0V - I can key the amp just fine but the amplifier is not tracking
band changes by the IC-7300.    I have the stereo cable going between the
KPA-1500 XCVR Serial and the IC-7300 CI-V Remote control jack and the
KPA1500 key-in RCA plug connected to the IC-7300 send control jack.

 

On the KPA1500, I have the Serial Speed host set to 19200bps and the Serial
Speed XCVR also set to 19200.   Not sure what the Serial Speed Host is for -
it is not mentioned in the instructions for the IC-7300.  Radio Type is
ICOM.  On the IC-7300, the CI-V USB baud rate is also set for 19200, CI-V
Transceive is on and the CI-V Output is on.

 

I have tried other baud rates.   Anyone have any ideas?  Thanks!

 

Tom N5TW


From phystad at mac.com  Tue Jul 21 18:53:58 2020
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 15:53:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature differences between P3 and PX3 ?
Message-ID: <BD8AD436-F284-449C-BAEF-16B6CA4040E7@mac.com>

Are there any feature differences between a P3 and PX3 maybe newer features on the PX3?

Thanks,
73, phil, K7PEH


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jul 21 19:43:28 2020
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:43:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 signal artifact - still seeking a solution
In-Reply-To: <9D801A98-9877-458B-9799-D203371EC387@gmail.com>
References: <A018FFE0-B7D5-4E96-9A89-832068FF5674@icloud.com>
	<1595355047181-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<36f5a1ac-a470-0754-8dbe-7fa162a380e5@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<09090D07-7B4C-4559-A8FC-42BE8E69C522@gmail.com>
	<9D801A98-9877-458B-9799-D203371EC387@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1cbb033c-bb39-f01f-0d14-0b2dba3ca4ca@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/21/2020 3:03 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:
> If the cable is shielded, and the garbage is on the PC's USB signal lines, an external ferrite won?t do any good.  I don?t know if the cable is shielded or not, but if it is, then the garbage may not be on the shield ? and perhaps the USB isolator might be worth a try.  Maybe.  I don?t know anything about that device ?

Hi Grant,

See my earlier post in this thread and the reference cited -- the 
problem is that the noise is NOT differential mode (inside the cable), 
it's common mode, and often on the shield, due to its improper 
termination inside the box.

73, Jim K9YC

From rocketnj at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 19:46:05 2020
From: rocketnj at gmail.com (rocketnj at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 19:46:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 with K4 tracks VFOs with 1 kHz resolution
In-Reply-To: <026c01d65fa7$808e60c0$81ab2240$@LNAINC.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29683217D51836931FC1F2868C7A0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>	<BYAPR16MB2968FC53AF4859B11B5CA5568C7B0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>	<D52DEE71-35CE-44A5-B876-6D66D4CD7E60@elecraft.com>
	<026c01d65fa7$808e60c0$81ab2240$@LNAINC.com>
Message-ID: <025b01d65fb9$19c3a910$4d4afb30$@gmail.com>

I have seen this behavior using a non-Elecraft exciter (Kenwood) and KPA1500
amp on digital modes. In my case it was right after connecting the new radio
and TX audio levels were too high, causing splattering. The freq counter in
the amp wasn't happy. Lowered audio level to where there is no ALC
deflection on the exciter and problem never happened again. 

Just a thought but check your ALC when on WinLink. You should not see any
ALC indication. 

Dave wo2x

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Lyn Norstad
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 5:40 PM
To: 'Wayne Burdick' <n6kr at elecraft.com>; 'Andy Durbin' <a.durbin at msn.com>
Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 with K4 tracks VFOs with 1 kHz resolution

Interesting ... I am seeing issues with my KAT500 not holding a setting, but
jumping to (and displaying) a frequency 200 - 300 KHz lower unpredictably
during a Winlink Vara session.  It always comes back to the correct
frequency when the rig is transmitting, but has to go thru a short
relay-clatter routine to get there.

This is on 80, 40 and 30 meters (all I have tested so far).

For example, if the dial frequency is at 7101 the tuner can't seem to decide
whether to sit on 7104 or 7096.  That doesn't seem to cause a problem as
much as when it suddenly drops to 6874, 6864 or 6856.  I am seeing similar
behavior on 80m and 30m.

I recently did a total reset and reloaded the firmware (v01.75).

Any thoughts?  Bin width?

Thx.
73
Lyn, W0LEN
Message delivered to rocketnj at gmail.com 


From jasimmons at pinewooddata.com  Tue Jul 21 19:53:50 2020
From: jasimmons at pinewooddata.com (John Simmons)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 18:53:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Using the KPA1500 with an ICOM IC-7300
In-Reply-To: <00b901d65fac$973b0710$c5b11530$@ecpi.com>
References: <00b901d65fac$973b0710$c5b11530$@ecpi.com>
Message-ID: <f3f4f0f4-6570-60f6-2fa2-3daa9f657a45@pinewooddata.com>

Tom,

You might shoot an email to WX0V (his email is on QRZ). Since he 'wrote 
the book' he might be able to help you the best. I know his Dad, W0ELM 
quite well and he is a great guy so Scott must be too. BTW, I suspect 
there may be a 7300 menu setting causing the problem.

73,
-de John NI0K

Tom Whiteside wrote on 7/21/2020 5:16 PM:
> My early vintage K3 headed back to Elecraft for repairs this week and I'm
> trying to get my ICOM IC-7300 to fully interface with the KPA1500.   I have
> followed the instructions Elecraft includes in the manual plus a great video
> from WX0V - I can key the amp just fine but the amplifier is not tracking
> band changes by the IC-7300.    I have the stereo cable going between the
> KPA-1500 XCVR Serial and the IC-7300 CI-V Remote control jack and the
> KPA1500 key-in RCA plug connected to the IC-7300 send control jack.
>
>   
>
> On the KPA1500, I have the Serial Speed host set to 19200bps and the Serial
> Speed XCVR also set to 19200.   Not sure what the Serial Speed Host is for -
> it is not mentioned in the instructions for the IC-7300.  Radio Type is
> ICOM.  On the IC-7300, the CI-V USB baud rate is also set for 19200, CI-V
> Transceive is on and the CI-V Output is on.
>
>   
>
> I have tried other baud rates.   Anyone have any ideas?  Thanks!
>
>   
>
> Tom N5TW
>
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From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Wed Jul 22 07:27:31 2020
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 06:27:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 with K4 tracks VFOs with 1 kHz resolution
In-Reply-To: <025b01d65fb9$19c3a910$4d4afb30$@gmail.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29683217D51836931FC1F2868C7A0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>	<BYAPR16MB2968FC53AF4859B11B5CA5568C7B0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>	<D52DEE71-35CE-44A5-B876-6D66D4CD7E60@elecraft.com>
	<026c01d65fa7$808e60c0$81ab2240$@LNAINC.com>
	<025b01d65fb9$19c3a910$4d4afb30$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <035901d6601b$16cee690$446cb3b0$@LNAINC.com>

Thanks for that suggestion, Dave.  

I am, in fact, using an IC-7300 as exciter but ALC does not appear to be the
problem.  The 7300 > KPA500 > KAT500 chain has always been flawless for me
until this new version of Vara was introduced, and I suspect it is indeed
the new modulation scheme in Vara v4.

I had a suggestion from Dick Dievendorff to try different FCCS values, and
it seems that changing it from the default setting of 12 to a higher level,
in this case 300, solves the problem without introducing other issues.

I will continue to check this and report if I need to refine that setting.
Vara 4 has already gone thru an update, so I suspect there may have been
some issues found.

73
Lyn, W0LEN


-----Original Message-----
From: rocketnj at gmail.com [mailto:rocketnj at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 6:46 PM
To: Lyn at LNAINC.com; 'Wayne Burdick'; 'Andy Durbin'
Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector'
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] KPA1500 with K4 tracks VFOs with 1 kHz resolution

I have seen this behavior using a non-Elecraft exciter (Kenwood) and KPA1500
amp on digital modes. In my case it was right after connecting the new radio
and TX audio levels were too high, causing splattering. The freq counter in
the amp wasn't happy. Lowered audio level to where there is no ALC
deflection on the exciter and problem never happened again. 

Just a thought but check your ALC when on WinLink. You should not see any
ALC indication. 

Dave wo2x

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Lyn Norstad
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 5:40 PM
To: 'Wayne Burdick' <n6kr at elecraft.com>; 'Andy Durbin' <a.durbin at msn.com>
Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 with K4 tracks VFOs with 1 kHz resolution

Interesting ... I am seeing issues with my KAT500 not holding a setting, but
jumping to (and displaying) a frequency 200 - 300 KHz lower unpredictably
during a Winlink Vara session.  It always comes back to the correct
frequency when the rig is transmitting, but has to go thru a short
relay-clatter routine to get there.

This is on 80, 40 and 30 meters (all I have tested so far).

For example, if the dial frequency is at 7101 the tuner can't seem to decide
whether to sit on 7104 or 7096.  That doesn't seem to cause a problem as
much as when it suddenly drops to 6874, 6864 or 6856.  I am seeing similar
behavior on 80m and 30m.

I recently did a total reset and reloaded the firmware (v01.75).

Any thoughts?  Bin width?

Thx.
73
Lyn, W0LEN
Message delivered to rocketnj at gmail.com 



From hhoyt at mebtel.net  Wed Jul 22 11:06:57 2020
From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 11:06:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 signal artifact - still seeking a solution
Message-ID: <0004dd0e-5fb5-6a8b-051e-a0b1c4f0d037@mebtel.net>

Hi Grant,

The shield only shields electrostatic fields and does not shield the 
magnetic field from the inner conductors.? If the garbage is on the USB 
signal lines and common mode (likely), the ferrite will still be 
effective.? If the RFI is transverse (or differential) mode, then the 
external fields from those signal conductors will largely cancel and 
ferrite will have little or no effect.

BTW, Pro Audio Engineering is a first-line Fair-Rite dealer and we have 
good stock on many mix 31 parts at good prices in small quantities.

Cheers & 73,
Howie / WA4PSC
www.proaudioeng.com


>>If the cable is shielded, and the garbage is on the PC's USB signal lines, 
>>an external ferrite won?t do any good.  I don?t know if the cable is 
>>shielded or not, but if it is, then the garbage may not be on the shield 
>>? and perhaps the USB isolator might be worth a try.  Maybe.  
>>I don?t know anything about that device ? 
>>
>>Grant NQ5T


From k5wa at comcast.net  Wed Jul 22 11:14:47 2020
From: k5wa at comcast.net (K5WA)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 10:14:47 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Dual instances of K4 remote software on one PC
Message-ID: <12d301d6603a$d761f860$8625e920$@comcast.net>

This may be a Wayne question but does anyone know if the remote software for a K4 is capable of two instances running simultaneously on one PC?  I?d rather not have to have a VM running the second instance but I may have to if the software can?t distinguish between two radios.  I?m keeping busy these K4-waiting-days by completing as much as possible on my remote SO2R station so I can simply drop a pair of K4s inline and be up and running pretty quickly after they arrive.  Wishful thinking, I?m sure.  ?

 

Thanks,

 

Bob K5WA


From hms4 at lehigh.edu  Wed Jul 22 11:59:27 2020
From: hms4 at lehigh.edu (Howard Sherer)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 11:59:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s USB com port no longer working
Message-ID: <CAFmQ1muimnP6CLgb5+AKGEZreYXtGtmsO=fTGixZJQ3_942N6w@mail.gmail.com>

The USB com port on my K3s is still being seen when connected to my
computer but will no longer connect to any program. I have re booted the
computer 2 times and power cycled the K3 and no change.
Any ideas where I should look?

Howard AE3T

From tomw at ecpi.com  Wed Jul 22 12:34:01 2020
From: tomw at ecpi.com (Tom Whiteside)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 11:34:01 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Using the KPA1500 with an ICOM IC-7300
Message-ID: <008a01d66045$e7df7680$b79e6380$@ecpi.com>

Thanks for all the helpful suggestions  - particularly from Dick K6KR and
Rob from Elecraft Technical support.  The KPA1500 tracking an IC-7300 issue
has been solved!  The trick was making sure XCVR SERIAL HOST is disabled.

73,

Tom N5TW

Message: 19
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 17:16:32 -0500
From: "Tom Whiteside" <tomw at ecpi.com>
To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Using the KPA1500 with an ICOM IC-7300
Message-ID: <00b901d65fac$973b0710$c5b11530$@ecpi.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

My early vintage K3 headed back to Elecraft for repairs this week and I'm
trying to get my ICOM IC-7300 to fully interface with the KPA1500.   I have
followed the instructions Elecraft includes in the manual plus a great video
from WX0V - I can key the amp just fine but the amplifier is not tracking
band changes by the IC-7300.    I have the stereo cable going between the
KPA-1500 XCVR Serial and the IC-7300 CI-V Remote control jack and the
KPA1500 key-in RCA plug connected to the IC-7300 send control jack.

 

On the KPA1500, I have the Serial Speed host set to 19200bps and the Serial
Speed XCVR also set to 19200.   Not sure what the Serial Speed Host is for -
it is not mentioned in the instructions for the IC-7300.  Radio Type is
ICOM.  On the IC-7300, the CI-V USB baud rate is also set for 19200, CI-V
Transceive is on and the CI-V Output is on.

 

I have tried other baud rates.   Anyone have any ideas?  Thanks!

 

Tom N5TW



From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Jul 22 12:40:53 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 12:40:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s USB com port no longer working
In-Reply-To: <CAFmQ1muimnP6CLgb5+AKGEZreYXtGtmsO=fTGixZJQ3_942N6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFmQ1muimnP6CLgb5+AKGEZreYXtGtmsO=fTGixZJQ3_942N6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6265e57b-9878-3e3d-d692-829dd61be920@embarqmail.com>

Howard,

Does K3 Utility connect? Is the RS232 menu parameter set to USB?
If no help there, contact support.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/22/2020 11:59 AM, Howard Sherer wrote:
> The USB com port on my K3s is still being seen when connected to my
> computer but will no longer connect to any program. I have re booted the
> computer 2 times and power cycled the K3 and no change.
> Any ideas where I should look?

From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Wed Jul 22 12:48:36 2020
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 08:48:36 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject)
Message-ID: <202007221648.06MGmcTr028973@mail46c28.carrierzone.com>



73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 


From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Wed Jul 22 12:56:11 2020
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 11:56:11 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Using the KPA1500 with an ICOM IC-7300
In-Reply-To: <008a01d66045$e7df7680$b79e6380$@ecpi.com>
References: <008a01d66045$e7df7680$b79e6380$@ecpi.com>
Message-ID: <048101d66049$00cef2d0$026cd870$@LNAINC.com>

Tom -

There is no "XCVR SERIAL HOST" setting in the 7300.

Are you perhaps referring to the "CI-V Transceive" setting?

73
Lyn, W0LEN



-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom Whiteside
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 11:34 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Using the KPA1500 with an ICOM IC-7300

Thanks for all the helpful suggestions  - particularly from Dick K6KR and
Rob from Elecraft Technical support.  The KPA1500 tracking an IC-7300 issue
has been solved!  The trick was making sure XCVR SERIAL HOST is disabled.

73,

Tom N5TW

Message: 19
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 17:16:32 -0500
From: "Tom Whiteside" <tomw at ecpi.com>
To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Using the KPA1500 with an ICOM IC-7300
Message-ID: <00b901d65fac$973b0710$c5b11530$@ecpi.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

My early vintage K3 headed back to Elecraft for repairs this week and I'm
trying to get my ICOM IC-7300 to fully interface with the KPA1500.   I have
followed the instructions Elecraft includes in the manual plus a great video
from WX0V - I can key the amp just fine but the amplifier is not tracking
band changes by the IC-7300.    I have the stereo cable going between the
KPA-1500 XCVR Serial and the IC-7300 CI-V Remote control jack and the
KPA1500 key-in RCA plug connected to the IC-7300 send control jack.

 

On the KPA1500, I have the Serial Speed host set to 19200bps and the Serial
Speed XCVR also set to 19200.   Not sure what the Serial Speed Host is for -
it is not mentioned in the instructions for the IC-7300.  Radio Type is
ICOM.  On the IC-7300, the CI-V USB baud rate is also set for 19200, CI-V
Transceive is on and the CI-V Output is on.

 

I have tried other baud rates.   Anyone have any ideas?  Thanks!

 

Tom N5TW


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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Wed Jul 22 12:59:49 2020
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 08:59:49 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Tired of fretting about the K4.....see what a KX2
 looks like at 12, 800 ft
Message-ID: <202007221659.06MGxp22024663@mail47c28.carrierzone.com>

Thanks for the write-up and especially the photos.  Takes me back to 
my Sierra hiking days mid-1970's!  1977 I logged nearly 500 miles in 
the mountains (every weekend).  I think there were less crowds back 
then.  Solo hiking was quiet-serene.  I also backpacked with the JPL 
Hiking Club back then.  We sumitted Mt. Whitney 14,000+ but that is a 
"walk up" hike.  But you really feel the altitude above 13,500 where 
we dropped our packs.  I hiked with 60-lbs back then.

Only took a 2m-HT in those days.  Made SF area from Lassen crater 
rim.  Wish I could still do the hiking but only drive the high roads, now.
Where we live in AK the terrain-climate is similar to 9,000 feet in 
the Sierra but we are only 138-foot ASL.

73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 


From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk  Wed Jul 22 12:31:40 2020
From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 13:31:40 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s USB com port no longer working
In-Reply-To: <CAFmQ1muimnP6CLgb5+AKGEZreYXtGtmsO=fTGixZJQ3_942N6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFmQ1muimnP6CLgb5+AKGEZreYXtGtmsO=fTGixZJQ3_942N6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fc573178-f68b-410c-cf8b-f91e5114dfb7@horizon.co.fk>

Under what circumstances did this loss of communication happen? If the 
PC sees the K3 USP port (com?) are the programmes still pointing at it?

Regards,

Mike VP8NO



On 22/07/2020 12:59, Howard Sherer wrote:
> The USB com port on my K3s is still being seen when connected to my
> computer but will no longer connect to any program. I have re booted the
> computer 2 times and power cycled the K3 and no change.
> Any ideas where I should look?
> 
> Howard AE3T

From radiok4ia at gmail.com  Wed Jul 22 13:03:02 2020
From: radiok4ia at gmail.com (Buck)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 13:03:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s USB com port no longer working
In-Reply-To: <CAFmQ1muimnP6CLgb5+AKGEZreYXtGtmsO=fTGixZJQ3_942N6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFmQ1muimnP6CLgb5+AKGEZreYXtGtmsO=fTGixZJQ3_942N6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3c8d813e-e485-465c-2926-b55481b979e4@Gmail.com>

Try a cold reboot meaning, turn off the computer, just don't restart it. 
  Try plugging the USB into a different USB jack on the computer.  Then 
turn the computer on.

Buck, k4ia
Honor Roll
8BDXCC
EasyWayHamBooks.com

On 7/22/2020 11:59 AM, Howard Sherer wrote:
> The USB com port on my K3s is still being seen when connected to my
> computer but will no longer connect to any program. I have re booted the
> computer 2 times and power cycled the K3 and no change.
> Any ideas where I should look?
> 
> Howard AE3T
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From radiok4ia at gmail.com  Wed Jul 22 13:05:39 2020
From: radiok4ia at gmail.com (Buck)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 13:05:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s USB com port no longer working
In-Reply-To: <fc573178-f68b-410c-cf8b-f91e5114dfb7@horizon.co.fk>
References: <CAFmQ1muimnP6CLgb5+AKGEZreYXtGtmsO=fTGixZJQ3_942N6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc573178-f68b-410c-cf8b-f91e5114dfb7@horizon.co.fk>
Message-ID: <f476588b-c8d7-51e4-a80a-d3c4e2edc479@Gmail.com>

Could be the update have scrambled your port assignments such that you 
now have a conflict which wasn't there before?

Buck, k4ia
Honor Roll
8BDXCC
EasyWayHamBooks.com

On 7/22/2020 12:31 PM, Mike Harris via Elecraft wrote:
> Under what circumstances did this loss of communication happen? If the 
> PC sees the K3 USP port (com?) are the programmes still pointing at it?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mike VP8NO
> 
> 
> 
> On 22/07/2020 12:59, Howard Sherer wrote:
>> The USB com port on my K3s is still being seen when connected to my
>> computer but will no longer connect to any program. I have re booted the
>> computer 2 times and power cycled the K3 and no change.
>> Any ideas where I should look?
>>
>> Howard AE3T
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From hms4 at lehigh.edu  Wed Jul 22 13:08:21 2020
From: hms4 at lehigh.edu (Howard Sherer)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 13:08:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s com port problem solved
Message-ID: <CAFmQ1muLdmSSM5vVYw-xr9WsMAXJF=E8D_m_ujJ+1SW+oaot_Q@mail.gmail.com>

Problem solved, thanks for the advice. The jumper loop from the K3 to the
P3 had a bad connection to the upper PC connector, therefore the outside
world could not see my K3 or P3. I found it by trying the P3 utility and
had the same problem which pointed me to that cable.

Howard AE3T

From pfizenmayer at q.com  Wed Jul 22 17:52:39 2020
From: pfizenmayer at q.com (HP)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:52:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 screen grab COM port conflict.
Message-ID: <802429124.30535794.1595454759824.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com>

Is there a way to use the P3 utility image grabs -while connected to the K3S using the 
USB to computer - then the CBLP3Y RJ-45 to DE9s and DE9P  Y adapter???? while using N1MM 
logging program. 
ALSO __Is there a way to use the P3 utility image grabs -while connected to the K3 if the 
RS232 is being used by a logging program  (N1MM) as well ? 

Can a "port sharing" utility be used -and if so which spigots ??? 

>From what I read ib Cady'd book it appears with K3S you CAN do a screen grab to a USB stick 
in the P3 USB connector  if  you have the SVGA option in the P3  - this would be usable - 
BUT does that still result in the COM port conflict with N1MM  ??? 

Guess this whole thing is moot I just checked and the SVGA kit  is not available. 
Hank K7HP 


From pjalley at me.com  Wed Jul 22 18:30:35 2020
From: pjalley at me.com (Philip Alley)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:30:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 signal artifact - still seeking a solution
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5012.1595417260.3115.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.5012.1595417260.3115.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <F361EBBA-19CA-4096-8C0A-E297E85496D8@me.com>

Jim,

This sounds a lot like a problem I was experiencing with my KX3 while operating FT8.  I was getting pulsating noise on the signal sent to the KX3 from my MacBook Pro laptop.  I tried all the suggestions including bonding the computer and putting ferrites on all signal and power leads with no improvement.  I finally noticed that Elecraft KXUSB cable connected from PX3 to the laptop for rig control has an LED which blinks at a rate (almost exactly once per second) with corresponds to the noise heard.  

On the MacBook Pro I was using a port adapter which allows connecting a HDMI cable, a USB cable and an apple Lightning power cable to one of the 4 USB-C (Lightning) ports on the laptop.  By simply moving the power cable from the adapter to a separate port the noise completely disappeared.  Since you mention that your foul signal disappears when you disconnect the USB cable from your laptop I suspect you may be suffering the same problem.  In my case, apparently when the LED pulses some of the power supply noise is coupled into the USB port and contaminates the signals.  I was worried about transmit signals and did not see if any artifacts were showing on the PX during receive.

Phil -AA2EA
Louisville KY

> 
>> On Jul 21, 2020, at 9:07 AM, James Smallwood via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> My station consists of a KX3 / PX3 connected via 100 ft of DX Engineering RG-8/U Low-Loss coax through an Alpha Delta antenna switch to a Balun Solutions 4:1 Unun tied to a 31 ft vertical antenna. The antenna and unun are grounded via a copper rod driven 3 feet into sandy soil in South Florida. The entire station is grounded to the ground system of my house by a single copper ground wire which is about 7 ft long. Each piece of station gear (including the antenna switch) is separately grounded to a 2 foot copper pipe tied to that ground. I run the station off a 12v 3Ah Bionenno LiPO battery.
>>> 
>>> My question concerns a visual signal artifact of about 5-7dB strength that appears on my PX3, just off the frequency to which I am tuned. The artifact has 2 peaks when viewed at higher resolution. The artifact (which has no audio component) appears to be closely associated with a new Elecraft-provided USB cable connecting my HP Pavillion PC to my PX3. Once the USB cable is disconnected from the PC, the artifact disappears from the PX3 display. As soon as the cable is reconnected, the artifact reappears.The artifact appears regardless of other signals being present.
>>> 
>>> I recently purchased and installed a range of Palomar Engineers ferrite snap-ons (>>Mix 31<<) which failed to mitigate this artifact. I coiled as much of the USB cable as possible then clipped on the ferrite beads. This had no effect. I placed additional ferrite beads on other wires and cables associated with my station, but observed no impact on the artifact.
>>> 
>>> I am wondering whether I may need a different mix ferrite. Based on what I have shared here, do other solutions present themselves?
>> 
>>> Thanks for sharing any insights or suggestions.
>>> 
>>> Jim - N7RCS
>> ______________________________________________________________


From gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 22 22:50:44 2020
From: gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com (eric norris)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 02:50:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Questions + RFE
References: <922251887.5866605.1595472644735.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <922251887.5866605.1595472644735@mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Brain Trust:
1)? Is there a downside to using a very long FAN DWELL TIME, other than noise?? I am trying to get my amp to run cooler.
2)? Does anyone offer a KX3 to KPA1500 serial cable, and a K2 to KPA1500 serial cable for sale?? No, I can no longer build them myself, even though they are simple.
3)? Is there a way to command via macros the KPA1500 to run the fans at normal speed + 1 as the amp starts to heat?? Can this choice be implemented in firmware?

73, Eric WD6DBM

From k1px at msn.com  Thu Jul 23 08:32:34 2020
From: k1px at msn.com (Jim Monahan)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 12:32:34 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Remote software V1.29
Message-ID: <MN2PR07MB720003079D03A029E19092FA97760@MN2PR07MB7200.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

I can't get the software to power on the amplifier or connect
to it.

And, yes, the Wake on Lan function in the tech menu is enabled.

If I manually power it on, then it connects and even turns off
the amp.

The KPA 1500 Utility, using the same ports and cable, does power it on
and off.

I've reloaded the software, verified the baud rate and reinstalled
the FTDI drivers to no avail.

Does anyone have any ideas??

Thanks in advance.

Jim, K1PX

K1PX @ msn.com

From a.durbin at msn.com  Thu Jul 23 09:16:20 2020
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 13:16:20 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Questions + RFE
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB29680435514D2D8936DFB41D8C760@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"Is there a downside to using a very long FAN DWELL TIME, other than noise?  I am trying to get my amp to run cooler."

Your question seems to imply that you believe increased dwell will make the KPA1500 run cooler.  I wonder if you have any test data that supports that assumption.  My testing of my KPA500 showed no significant advantage to pre-cool or increased dwell but I don't claim to have explored all possible operating conditions.  I suspect that the most effective way to reduce temperature will be to lower the fan speed temperature set points.  There is a trade-off between temperature and noise.  The recent increase in the KPA1500 fan setpoints seems to suggest that Elecraft has chosen to reduce noise.

Yes, there is a downside to very long fan dwell time.  The fans will run longer and therefore wear out quicker.  Why do it unless you have data that shows some advantage?   "FANticipator" may help:  - https://tinyurl.com/y4tw92zz.

Andy, k3wyc

From w9ac at arrl.net  Thu Jul 23 10:46:52 2020
From: w9ac at arrl.net (Paul Christensen)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 10:46:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 and RTTY question
Message-ID: <002c01d66100$1b89d380$529d7a80$@arrl.net>

>"This includes RemoteRig boxes, the YCCC SO2R Box, the Mortty, etc.  None
of them will pass the WKTEST program."

After two years, I gave up.  RemoteRig's internal keyer and COM port path
when using N1MM are flat-out awful unless the Internet connection has
extremely low latency and jitter.  Low-error results cannot be accomplished
from multiple remote sites while traveling.  No amount of adjusting over a
two year period would correct all the timing errors.  

I'm now using two WinkeyerUSB boxes and K1EL's Remote Software.  One WKUSB
box is installed at each end of the link.  CW from paddles or keyboard is
always perfect even with marginal internet connections.  Setup is easy and
having a WKUSB at the control point also gives me four physical memory
buttons.  The box is small and doesn't add much weight or space inside a
remote equipment case.

I dread the thought that the K4 includes an embedded variant of the
RemoteRig -- as a means to accelerate product development.  Although it's
probably too late for Elecraft to consider a real, internal WK chip (and
negotiate a deal with K1EL), that would have been my preferred method of
generating CW from a remote location.  

Paul, W9AC   
   

From dick.w7zr at gmail.com  Thu Jul 23 12:38:19 2020
From: dick.w7zr at gmail.com (Richard Zalewski)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 09:38:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Cooling
Message-ID: <CACVQm3kjFR40F+D6R8EY=s62vCDURFrZvbVqMB1eOK-Bs4RzEQ@mail.gmail.com>

Firm believer in cooler is better.  Also believe one must be careful not to
disrupt designed air flow.  I purchased this :
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0059BCVXY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 and put it on the desk to the side of the amp.  Seems to aid in moving the
warm air from under amp and drops the temp 2-3 degrees C.

Richard
*W7ZR* ex:5C5Z, CN2ZR, K2JSP, W6SBZ, W7KXR, K9ZIJ, W9KNF, W0KDF, W0MQU,
J68ZR, KC6ZR, PJ4/W7ZR, KH2,W7ZR, KH6/W7ZR, V31ZR, VK4AAZ, XE2DV


*Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer*

From W2xj at w2xj.net  Thu Jul 23 12:58:34 2020
From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 12:58:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Cooling
In-Reply-To: <CACVQm3kjFR40F+D6R8EY=s62vCDURFrZvbVqMB1eOK-Bs4RzEQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACVQm3kjFR40F+D6R8EY=s62vCDURFrZvbVqMB1eOK-Bs4RzEQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6D8FD1A1-F756-4AD9-9C11-7DD1BB390BF8@w2xj.net>

Personally I would love to see a liquid cooled  high powered linear amplifier. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Richard Zalewski <dick.w7zr at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Firm believer in cooler is better.  Also believe one must be careful not to
> disrupt designed air flow.  I purchased this :
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0059BCVXY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
> and put it on the desk to the side of the amp.  Seems to aid in moving the
> warm air from under amp and drops the temp 2-3 degrees C.
> 
> Richard
> *W7ZR* ex:5C5Z, CN2ZR, K2JSP, W6SBZ, W7KXR, K9ZIJ, W9KNF, W0KDF, W0MQU,
> J68ZR, KC6ZR, PJ4/W7ZR, KH2,W7ZR, KH6/W7ZR, V31ZR, VK4AAZ, XE2DV
> 
> 
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From rocketnj at gmail.com  Thu Jul 23 13:08:08 2020
From: rocketnj at gmail.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 13:08:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Cooling
In-Reply-To: <6D8FD1A1-F756-4AD9-9C11-7DD1BB390BF8@w2xj.net>
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Until it leaks on the LDMOS devices.


 Seriously, I would like to see the KPA1500 available with a larger finned heat sink and in a larger enclosure using 120 mm fans. That would move a lot of air across  a larger heat dissipation area keeping noise and temps down. 

I love the 1500 and under normal use I can tolerate the noise. Contesting gets a little loud. That is what the Bose QC30 noise cancelling headphones are for. 

Dave wo2x

Sent from my waxed string and tin cans. 

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:00 PM, W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Personally I would love to see a liquid cooled  high powered linear amplifier. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Richard Zalewski <dick.w7zr at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Firm believer in cooler is better.  Also believe one must be careful not to
>> disrupt designed air flow.  I purchased this :
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0059BCVXY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>> and put it on the desk to the side of the amp.  Seems to aid in moving the
>> warm air from under amp and drops the temp 2-3 degrees C.
>> 
>> Richard
>> *W7ZR* ex:5C5Z, CN2ZR, K2JSP, W6SBZ, W7KXR, K9ZIJ, W9KNF, W0KDF, W0MQU,
>> J68ZR, KC6ZR, PJ4/W7ZR, KH2,W7ZR, KH6/W7ZR, V31ZR, VK4AAZ, XE2DV
>> 
>> 
>> *Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer*
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From W2xj at w2xj.net  Thu Jul 23 13:26:53 2020
From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 13:26:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Cooling
In-Reply-To: <E62E9927-9099-46FB-A701-124AB52D0C4A@gmail.com>
References: <E62E9927-9099-46FB-A701-124AB52D0C4A@gmail.com>
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We have 40 KW liquid cooled solid state transmitters and they don?t leak. It depends on if it is properly designed. There are TV transmitters over 100 KW and liquid cooling is common in many models and they don?t leak as well. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:10 PM, Dave <rocketnj at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Until it leaks on the LDMOS devices.
> 
> 
> Seriously, I would like to see the KPA1500 available with a larger finned heat sink and in a larger enclosure using 120 mm fans. That would move a lot of air across  a larger heat dissipation area keeping noise and temps down. 
> 
> I love the 1500 and under normal use I can tolerate the noise. Contesting gets a little loud. That is what the Bose QC30 noise cancelling headphones are for. 
> 
> Dave wo2x
> 
> Sent from my waxed string and tin cans. 
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:00 PM, W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Personally I would love to see a liquid cooled  high powered linear amplifier. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>>> On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Richard Zalewski <dick.w7zr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Firm believer in cooler is better.  Also believe one must be careful not to
>>> disrupt designed air flow.  I purchased this :
>>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0059BCVXY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>>> and put it on the desk to the side of the amp.  Seems to aid in moving the
>>> warm air from under amp and drops the temp 2-3 degrees C.
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> *W7ZR* ex:5C5Z, CN2ZR, K2JSP, W6SBZ, W7KXR, K9ZIJ, W9KNF, W0KDF, W0MQU,
>>> J68ZR, KC6ZR, PJ4/W7ZR, KH2,W7ZR, KH6/W7ZR, V31ZR, VK4AAZ, XE2DV
>>> 
>>> 
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From ehr at qrv.com  Thu Jul 23 13:50:09 2020
From: ehr at qrv.com (E.H. Russell)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 13:50:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 and RTTY question
In-Reply-To: <002c01d66100$1b89d380$529d7a80$@arrl.net>
References: <002c01d66100$1b89d380$529d7a80$@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <001f01d66119$b5aeb250$210c16f0$@qrv.com>

Hi Paul,

I also had good luck with the dual WKUSB setup here. Haven't tried RemoteRig
but I do know of a few top contesters that seem to get good results with it.
Will be interesting to see what the K4 does.


ED / W2RF




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Behalf Of Paul Christensen
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 10:47 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 and RTTY question

>"This includes RemoteRig boxes, the YCCC SO2R Box, the Mortty, etc.  
>None
of them will pass the WKTEST program."

After two years, I gave up.  RemoteRig's internal keyer and COM port path
when using N1MM are flat-out awful unless the Internet connection has
extremely low latency and jitter.  Low-error results cannot be accomplished
from multiple remote sites while traveling.  No amount of adjusting over a
two year period would correct all the timing errors.  

I'm now using two WinkeyerUSB boxes and K1EL's Remote Software.  One WKUSB
box is installed at each end of the link.  CW from paddles or keyboard is
always perfect even with marginal internet connections.  Setup is easy and
having a WKUSB at the control point also gives me four physical memory
buttons.  The box is small and doesn't add much weight or space inside a
remote equipment case.

I dread the thought that the K4 includes an embedded variant of the
RemoteRig -- as a means to accelerate product development.  Although it's
probably too late for Elecraft to consider a real, internal WK chip (and
negotiate a deal with K1EL), that would have been my preferred method of
generating CW from a remote location.  

Paul, W9AC   
   
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From w4wfb at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 23 15:18:08 2020
From: w4wfb at yahoo.com (Roy Morris, Jr.)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 19:18:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Connecting IC-7300 to KPA1500
References: <1386545656.4382751.1595531888010.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1386545656.4382751.1595531888010@mail.yahoo.com>

I would like the KPA1500 to change bands and frequency bins established by the IC-7300.? I understand this can be done with these cables:1) Cable between KPA1500 KEY-IN jack and IC-7300 SEND CONTROL jack.2) Stereo cable between KPA1500 XCVR SERIAL and IC-7300 CI-V REMOTE CONTROL jack.? This is a stereo cable with 3.5mm jacks on each end.?3) KPA1500 serial speed host and SERIAL XCVR SPEED should both be set to 19200.4) I am not sure about this step.? When XCVR serial host is disabled, does this mean CI-V TRANSCEIVE in IC-7300 menu should be OFF?Thanks for helping me with the KPA1500 and IC-7300 menu items.?Roy Morris? W4WFB

From w9ac at arrl.net  Thu Jul 23 15:53:32 2020
From: w9ac at arrl.net (Paul Christensen)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 15:53:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Cooling
Message-ID: <002201d6612a$f24d4800$d6e7d800$@arrl.net>

>"Until it leaks on the LDMOS devices."

Pure water is an insulator.  Leakage becomes a problem when water becomes
contaminated with conductive particles.  This rarely occurs in closed loop
systems that use distilled water when non-contaminating hoses, fittings, and
heat exchangers are used.  My 2KW LDMOS amp uses water cooling in such a
closed system.     

My main amplifier at home is an Alpha PA-70V.  The amp uses an openly-cooled
vapor-phase system.  A pint of distilled water separates 4KV of plate
voltage and chassis ground.  Water is in direct contact with the plate. In
time, air particles do contaminate the water (usually in the form of algae)
and the system must be purged and refilled at annual intervals.  If leakage
exceeds a predetermined amount, the amp faults and shuts down.  

Paul, W9AC      



From dick at elecraft.com  Thu Jul 23 16:23:15 2020
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 13:23:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Connecting IC-7300 to KPA1500
In-Reply-To: <1386545656.4382751.1595531888010@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1386545656.4382751.1595531888010.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1386545656.4382751.1595531888010@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005d01d6612f$1872c420$49584c60$@elecraft.com>

Roy: There's a great video from WX0V that goes through this with an IC-7610, and it's just almost exactly the same for the IC-7300.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THPVhWdMLQs

KPA1500 SERIAL SPEED HOST should be left at 230,400; it is the KPA1500's connection to a personal computer and has nothing to do with the transceiver interface.

The key  KPA1500 menu choices are:
TECH MODE ENABLED
RADIO TYPE ICOM
SERIAL SPEED XCVR 19200 (or 9600 or 4800, but must match the CI-V speed of the IC-7300). I use 19200 here.
XCVR SERIAL HOST DISABLED

The key ICOM choices:
Tap MENU, then "Set", then "Connectors", then "CI-V"
Set CI-V Baud Rate to the same value as the KPA1500's SERIAL SPEED XCVR, probably 19200
Set CI-V Output (for ANT) to ON
I have CI-V Transceive ON, but I'm not certain that's critical.

There is a KPA1500 LCD status screen that shows the most recent frequency from your transceiver. The top row comes from your transceiver

XCVR FREQ 14008

I just tested this yesterday.

73 de Dick, K6KR



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Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 12:18
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Connecting IC-7300 to KPA1500

I would like the KPA1500 to change bands and frequency bins established by the IC-7300.  I understand this can be done with these cables:1) Cable between KPA1500 KEY-IN jack and IC-7300 SEND CONTROL jack.2) Stereo cable between KPA1500 XCVR SERIAL and IC-7300 CI-V REMOTE CONTROL jack.  This is a stereo cable with 3.5mm jacks on each end. 3) KPA1500 serial speed host and SERIAL XCVR SPEED should both be set to 19200.4) I am not sure about this step.  When XCVR serial host is disabled, does this mean CI-V TRANSCEIVE in IC-7300 menu should be OFF?Thanks for helping me with the KPA1500 and IC-7300 menu items. Roy Morris  W4WFB ______________________________________________________________
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From ed.n3cw at gmail.com  Thu Jul 23 16:33:26 2020
From: ed.n3cw at gmail.com (Ed G)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 16:33:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: KPA1500 with K4 tracks VFOs with 1 kHz
 resolution
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Hi Wayne,
     Will the future new KPA500 and KAT500 Auxbus protocol involve new hardware interface revisions, or would this just be a firmware update?  I?m thinking if hardware, it is perhaps best to wait just a bit for the amp and tuner to be upgraded before buying?
--Ed, N3CW?



------------------------------
On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> > Those using a K4 transceiver with our KPA1500 amp will have the 
> > advantage of +/- 1 kHz resolution in VFO tracking. In many stations, 
> > this finer resolution will result in lower SWR and improved amplifier 
> > performance, especially on the lower bands. (The original resolution 
> > was +/- 8 kHz.)
> > 
> > This is part an overall upgrade of our Auxbus control interface, taking 
> > advantage of the additional processing resources available in the K4. 
> > The revised protocol allows for more robust RFI rejection, as well as 
> > future enhancements to amp/tuner control. 
> > 
> > At present only the KPA1500 supports radio type K4, but we hope to add 
> > this capability to the KPA500 and KAT500 in the near future.
> > 
> > All amps and tuners will continue to support the original Auxbus 
> > protocol, remaining 100% compatible with our existing transceivers.
> > 
> > 73,
> > Wayne
> > N6KR







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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Jul 23 16:36:39 2020
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 13:36:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: KPA1500 with K4 tracks VFOs with 1 kHz
 resolution
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Strictly firmware, Ed.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



> On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:33 PM, Ed G <ed.n3cw at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Wayne,
>     Will the future new KPA500 and KAT500 Auxbus protocol involve new hardware interface revisions, or would this just be a firmware update?  I?m thinking if hardware, it is perhaps best to wait just a bit for the amp and tuner to be upgraded before buying?
> --Ed, N3CW?
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>> Those using a K4 transceiver with our KPA1500 amp will have the 
>>> advantage of +/- 1 kHz resolution in VFO tracking. In many stations, 
>>> this finer resolution will result in lower SWR and improved amplifier 
>>> performance, especially on the lower bands. (The original resolution 
>>> was +/- 8 kHz.)
>>> 
>>> This is part an overall upgrade of our Auxbus control interface, taking 
>>> advantage of the additional processing resources available in the K4. 
>>> The revised protocol allows for more robust RFI rejection, as well as 
>>> future enhancements to amp/tuner control. 
>>> 
>>> At present only the KPA1500 supports radio type K4, but we hope to add 
>>> this capability to the KPA500 and KAT500 in the near future.
>>> 
>>> All amps and tuners will continue to support the original Auxbus 
>>> protocol, remaining 100% compatible with our existing transceivers.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Thu Jul 23 16:46:00 2020
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (tony.kaz at verizon.net)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 16:46:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Cooling
In-Reply-To: <002201d6612a$f24d4800$d6e7d800$@arrl.net>
References: <002201d6612a$f24d4800$d6e7d800$@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <02b001d66132$4664f990$d32eecb0$@verizon.net>

Hi Paul,
I can't remember what we used to use for closed loop cooling. I don't think we used distilled water because it's resistance would increase over time from picking up ions from the metal. In our case it was cooling loops in a copper 37" electrode. I thought it was some kind of antifreeze or maybe an oil? And also isn't distilled water quite reactive?
To many bourbons ago ?
N2TK, Tony


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Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 3:54 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Cooling

>"Until it leaks on the LDMOS devices."

Pure water is an insulator.  Leakage becomes a problem when water becomes contaminated with conductive particles.  This rarely occurs in closed loop systems that use distilled water when non-contaminating hoses, fittings, and heat exchangers are used.  My 2KW LDMOS amp uses water cooling in such a
closed system.     

My main amplifier at home is an Alpha PA-70V.  The amp uses an openly-cooled vapor-phase system.  A pint of distilled water separates 4KV of plate voltage and chassis ground.  Water is in direct contact with the plate. In time, air particles do contaminate the water (usually in the form of algae) and the system must be purged and refilled at annual intervals.  If leakage exceeds a predetermined amount, the amp faults and shuts down.  

Paul, W9AC      


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From W2xj at w2xj.net  Thu Jul 23 17:07:30 2020
From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 17:07:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Cooling
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glycol and anti freeze. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 4:49 PM, N2TK via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Paul,
> I can't remember what we used to use for closed loop cooling. I don't think we used distilled water because it's resistance would increase over time from picking up ions from the metal. In our case it was cooling loops in a copper 37" electrode. I thought it was some kind of antifreeze or maybe an oil? And also isn't distilled water quite reactive?
> To many bourbons ago ?
> N2TK, Tony
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Paul Christensen
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 3:54 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Cooling
> 
>> "Until it leaks on the LDMOS devices."
> 
> Pure water is an insulator.  Leakage becomes a problem when water becomes contaminated with conductive particles.  This rarely occurs in closed loop systems that use distilled water when non-contaminating hoses, fittings, and heat exchangers are used.  My 2KW LDMOS amp uses water cooling in such a
> closed system.     
> 
> My main amplifier at home is an Alpha PA-70V.  The amp uses an openly-cooled vapor-phase system.  A pint of distilled water separates 4KV of plate voltage and chassis ground.  Water is in direct contact with the plate. In time, air particles do contaminate the water (usually in the form of algae) and the system must be purged and refilled at annual intervals.  If leakage exceeds a predetermined amount, the amp faults and shuts down.  
> 
> Paul, W9AC      
> 
> 
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From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Thu Jul 23 17:16:32 2020
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (tony.kaz at verizon.net)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 17:16:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Cooling
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Tnx Paul

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Cooling

glycol and anti freeze. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 4:49 PM, N2TK via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Paul,
> I can't remember what we used to use for closed loop cooling. I don't think we used distilled water because it's resistance would increase over time from picking up ions from the metal. In our case it was cooling loops in a copper 37" electrode. I thought it was some kind of antifreeze or maybe an oil? And also isn't distilled water quite reactive?
> To many bourbons ago ?
> N2TK, Tony
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
> <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Paul Christensen
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 3:54 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Cooling
> 
>> "Until it leaks on the LDMOS devices."
> 
> Pure water is an insulator.  Leakage becomes a problem when water becomes contaminated with conductive particles.  This rarely occurs in closed loop systems that use distilled water when non-contaminating hoses, fittings, and heat exchangers are used.  My 2KW LDMOS amp uses water cooling in such a
> closed system.     
> 
> My main amplifier at home is an Alpha PA-70V.  The amp uses an openly-cooled vapor-phase system.  A pint of distilled water separates 4KV of plate voltage and chassis ground.  Water is in direct contact with the plate. In time, air particles do contaminate the water (usually in the form of algae) and the system must be purged and refilled at annual intervals.  If leakage exceeds a predetermined amount, the amp faults and shuts down.  
> 
> Paul, W9AC      
> 
> 
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From bobgale at optonline.net  Thu Jul 23 18:40:15 2020
From: bobgale at optonline.net (Bob Galerstein)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 18:40:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 - AM Sync Sideband Selectable
Message-ID: <98e13085-20c8-6684-6a16-ad745a689f4b@optonline.net>

Am seriously interested in a K4 (Already have the KPA/KAT 500 combo) - 
Big into ham DX'ing and just as into AM broadcast band DX'ing. I know 
the K4 has AM selectable sideband sync detection. Question - What are 
the ergonomics to activate it? I currently use a Drake R8B for AM 
DX-ing, and its ergonomics to pick the upper or lower AM sync sideband 
are superb. Is the K4 just as simple to use with this? Thank you. Bob W2VGD


From gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 24 01:53:43 2020
From: gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com (eric norris)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 05:53:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 questions!
References: <47955769.6475134.1595570023510.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47955769.6475134.1595570023510@mail.yahoo.com>

Within shipping groups, will the K4D be available as soon as the K4, or later?
To use diversity rx with the K4D, does the second antenna have to be connected to the RX ANT port, or a second ANT port, and do you need the internal ATU to get multiple ANT ports?? Can the internal ATU be assigned to an ANT port, or is it always assigned to ANT 1???

73, Eric WD6DBM

From n6tv at arrl.net  Fri Jul 24 03:48:12 2020
From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 00:48:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Connecting KX3 or K2 to KPA1500 (or KPA500)
In-Reply-To: <922251887.5866605.1595472644735@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <922251887.5866605.1595472644735.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<922251887.5866605.1595472644735@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAOmNKGL04EOzDQchgK=VbVbZ+4gmMbLc3q14KCGqDPvH3HYv9A@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 7:51 PM eric norris via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> 2)  Does anyone offer a KX3 to KPA1500 serial cable, and a K2 to KPA1500
> serial cable for sale?  No, I can no longer build them myself, even though
> they are simple.
>

My Serial Box (S-BOX <https://bit.ly/S-BOX> or S-BOX-USB) can provide both
a computer interface to the K2 or KX3 for logging software (including
computer-generated CW and PTT keying over the same cable).  *Plus*, it can
also provides a parallel RS-232 connection to the KPA1500 XCVR SERIAL port,
all using standard stereo cables (3.5mm TRS to dual RCA-M) and a
KXSER-compatible cable (DE9-F to 3.5mm TRS) , all of which which I'll be
happy to supply with the S-BOX or S-BOX-USB.  The same scheme can work with
the KPA500.  Placing the amplifier in "no poll" mode means the logging
program must be responsible for polling the radio for frequency data,
instead of the amplifier.  No polling, no tracking (except by "RF sense").

If you have no need to control the KX3 or send CW by computer, and just
want the amp. to poll and track the KX3, then building your own 3.5mm TRS
crossover cable would be the most economical solution.

Connection of the KIO2 connector of a K2 to the KPA1500 through the S-BOX
is also possible with a standard RS-232 cable as long as the "PC" connector
on the S-BOX is not used (which would connect too many lines to the KIO2
DE-9 connector).  One of the S-BOX secondary DE-9F connectors (or
builtin-in FTDI USB-to-Serial adapters) can be used instead to just connect
the TXD, RXD, and Ground pins to the KIO2, leaving the others open.

I don't know if the KIO2 AUXBUS line (pin 6) is compatible with the KPA1500
AUXBUS line (pin 2), but if so, this connection is also possible through
the S-BOX's 15-pin connector and a 15-pin M/F cable, which I can also
supply.  I don't know if the ACC2 AUXBUS option on a KX3 is compatible with
the KPA1500 AUXBUS.

73,
Bob, N6TV
https://bit.ly/S-BOX

From n6tv at arrl.net  Fri Jul 24 04:05:49 2020
From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 01:05:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 screen grab COM port conflict.
In-Reply-To: <802429124.30535794.1595454759824.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com>
References: <802429124.30535794.1595454759824.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com>
Message-ID: <CAOmNKGL9PLLOmJbTcbqWjDNegzEUt+45J_7UALkgQ3418GsttA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 2:53 PM HP <pfizenmayer at q.com> wrote:

> Is there a way to use the P3 utility image grabs -while connected to the
> K3S using the
> USB to computer - then the CBLP3Y RJ-45 to DE9s and DE9P  Y adapter????


Yes.  Just connect the P3 Utility to the K3 virtual serial port.


> while using N1MM logging program.
>

No, you can't run N1MM logging program and P3 or K3 Utility at the same
time, unless you terminate N1MM first, or temporarily disable N1MM's use of
the K3 virtual serial port.


> ALSO __Is there a way to use the P3 utility image grabs -while connected
> to the K3 if the
> RS232 is being used by a logging program  (N1MM) as well ?
>

No.  The logging program has to be terminated.

Can a "port sharing" utility be used -and if so which spigots ???
>

Not recommended.  The screen grab transfers a huge amount of data that
takes significant time to transfer at 38400 baud.  Any software sharing
utility would probably interfere with this data transmission.

>From what I read ib Cady'd book it appears with K3S you CAN do a screen
> grab to a USB stick
> in the P3 USB connector  if  you have the SVGA option in the P3  - this
> would be usable -
>

Correct.


> BUT does that still result in the COM port conflict with N1MM  ???
>

No, the snapshot is initiated by pressing a button on the P3.  But this
also takes a long time.

Guess this whole thing is moot I just checked and the SVGA kit  is not
> available.
> Hank K7HP
>

I'm sure a number of P3+P3SVGA will be available on the used market soon,
given all the folks planning to upgrade to the K4.

Meanwhile, you can get much better and faster screen grabs using an
off-the-shelf HF SDR with the antenna port wired to the K3 RX OUT
connector, and free software like HDSDR.  No need to use the P3.

73,
Bob, N6TV

From beachviews4u at gmail.com  Fri Jul 24 06:13:39 2020
From: beachviews4u at gmail.com (Mark Griffin)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 06:13:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3/o mini/MkIIs Remote Station
Message-ID: <CA+Nau4RgaLvsMqyBuxxWfFOj6Y+du69F1fAk6veKvEp2tcATXw@mail.gmail.com>

Offering for sale is my Elecraft K3/o mini and the Term/Ctrl remoterig
Mklls boxes. All cables are included. Purchased 14 months ago from
Elecraft.
I have replaced this setup with a K3 and this is now excess to my needs.
 $1050 shipped conus only.
PayPal or USPS Money order.
Mark  AD4PK
Beachviews4u at gmail.com
843 901 4196

From k4pxjoe at gmail.com  Fri Jul 24 07:32:56 2020
From: k4pxjoe at gmail.com (K4PX K4PX)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 07:32:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 cable to Ameritron ALS-1300/ARI-500
Message-ID: <CACfGWQqmiggsdu1aPfhB8p57_=a=g9qB8TiX3od-DM_40Hrzxw@mail.gmail.com>

Want to use K3 with Ameritron ALS-1300/ARI-500.  Ameritron and all dealers
out of the cable to interface the K3 to the ARI-500.  Cable # RJ-DB15HE.
Anyone know of a source for a like cable?  I am not capable of making one.
Thanks!

From gordon.lapoint at gmail.com  Fri Jul 24 08:53:20 2020
From: gordon.lapoint at gmail.com (Gordon LaPoint)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 08:53:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 and RTTY question
In-Reply-To: <001f01d66119$b5aeb250$210c16f0$@qrv.com>
References: <002c01d66100$1b89d380$529d7a80$@arrl.net>
	<001f01d66119$b5aeb250$210c16f0$@qrv.com>
Message-ID: <b6f1e641-50f8-cbb0-e406-18494d376da4@gmail.com>

I have had good luck with the RemoteRig setup with RTTY when running 
N1MM, but it is much better with WriteLog.? WriteLog was much more 
tolerant of the jitter and lag in internet connections than N1MM was.
Gordon - N1MGO

On 7/23/2020 13:50 PM, E.H. Russell wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> I also had good luck with the dual WKUSB setup here. Haven't tried RemoteRig
> but I do know of a few top contesters that seem to get good results with it.
> Will be interesting to see what the K4 does.
>
>
> ED / W2RF
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
> Behalf Of Paul Christensen
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 10:47 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K4 and RTTY question
>
>> "This includes RemoteRig boxes, the YCCC SO2R Box, the Mortty, etc.
>> None
> of them will pass the WKTEST program."
>
> After two years, I gave up.  RemoteRig's internal keyer and COM port path
> when using N1MM are flat-out awful unless the Internet connection has
> extremely low latency and jitter.  Low-error results cannot be accomplished
> from multiple remote sites while traveling.  No amount of adjusting over a
> two year period would correct all the timing errors.
>
> I'm now using two WinkeyerUSB boxes and K1EL's Remote Software.  One WKUSB
> box is installed at each end of the link.  CW from paddles or keyboard is
> always perfect even with marginal internet connections.  Setup is easy and
> having a WKUSB at the control point also gives me four physical memory
> buttons.  The box is small and doesn't add much weight or space inside a
> remote equipment case.
>
> I dread the thought that the K4 includes an embedded variant of the
> RemoteRig -- as a means to accelerate product development.  Although it's
> probably too late for Elecraft to consider a real, internal WK chip (and
> negotiate a deal with K1EL), that would have been my preferred method of
> generating CW from a remote location.
>
> Paul, W9AC
>     
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From stewart at g3ysx.org.uk  Fri Jul 24 09:04:15 2020
From: stewart at g3ysx.org.uk (Stewart Bryant)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 14:04:15 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 and RTTY question
In-Reply-To: <002c01d66100$1b89d380$529d7a80$@arrl.net>
References: <002c01d66100$1b89d380$529d7a80$@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <F0B14552-D206-4DF9-AB5C-C5BBE5E20C7A@g3ysx.org.uk>


+1

Stewart/G3YSX

> On 23 Jul 2020, at 15:46, Paul Christensen <w9ac at arrl.net> wrote:
> 
> I dread the thought that the K4 includes an embedded variant of the
> RemoteRig -- as a means to accelerate product development.  Although it's
> probably too late for Elecraft to consider a real, internal WK chip (and
> negotiate a deal with K1EL), that would have been my preferred method of
> generating CW from a remote location.  


From cvgreene at icloud.com  Fri Jul 24 10:37:04 2020
From: cvgreene at icloud.com (Virginia Greene)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:37:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 TX GAIN Values
Message-ID: <C0D55214-7E82-4385-B971-CA1C9EAB3FC3@icloud.com>

My KX3 is almost five years old now.  Times sure flies, eh?

From the beginning, the output on 15M has been a little lower at maximum power setting than on the other 12 watt maximum output bands.  Typically, I?d see 9-10 watts.  No big deal.

More recently, I?ve been trying FT8 operation.

What I?ve observed is that for the first transmission on 15M using FT8, the output power starts out at 1 watt and gradually creeps up to perhaps 3 watts by the end of the transmission.  The next transmission might get to 5 watts, and the third might get to the final value of what I set - 7 to 12 watts.  (Yeah, I know about heating.  That?s not the issue.)

I think this is due to the way the ALC system works in the KX3.  It doesn?t exhibit this behavior on CW.

But, other bands are not nearly as bad.  For example, on 80M the maximum output is attained on FT8 within a second or so of the first transmission.  On 10M, it takes about three seconds.

This start-up thing happens every time I change bands.  That suggests that the ALC is slowly adjusting per band.  Makes sense.

In an attempt to correct this, I tried a TX GAIN calibration.  It didn?t help.

I asked the very helpful, and currently overwhelmed, support folks at Elecraft about this.  Doug sent me the factory original config file for this KX3 to me, asking me to try loading it and checking, thinking that perhaps some value gotten corrupted somehow.  That didn?t help, though it was a great idea.

So, I started looking through the TX GAIN values that you can view when the TECH MD menu entry is set to ON.  What I discovered was that the 15M value was and is significantly different than for the other bands.  This was true for both the factory original calibration as well as a recent TX GAIN calibration.

My guess, and it?s obviously a guess, is that the amount of ALC correction done on changing bands is somewhat related to the TX GAIN value.  So, the very different TX GAIN value for 15M is taking much longer for the ALC to adjust to than on the other bands.

My question of all of you is: What is the TX GAIN value for your KX3 on 15M?  

Perhaps what I?m observing is normal and just the way the radio works.  But, maybe, there?s something amiss with the hardware.  No way to tell without poking around inside with an oscilloscope, which I?d love to avoid if I could.

Thanks very much for any help.

Clarke  K1JX

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Fri Jul 24 11:42:13 2020
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 08:42:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 questions!
In-Reply-To: <47955769.6475134.1595570023510@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <47955769.6475134.1595570023510.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<47955769.6475134.1595570023510@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E3B916B6-3798-4BFE-ABBA-5E9FAEB3F77A@elecraft.com>

Hi Eric,


> eric norris wrote:
> 
> Within shipping groups, will the K4D be available as soon as the K4, or later?

Same time.


> To use diversity rx with the K4D, does the second antenna have to be connected to the RX ANT port, or a second ANT port, and do you need the internal ATU to get multiple ANT ports?  

First, just to clarify for those not familiar with diversity: this requires different antennas for the two receivers, which implies a K4D. (A basic K4 can still receive on any two bands simultaneously, but only with a shared antenna.)

With no ATU installed, your choices for the second receiver's antenna would include RX ANT IN 1 and RX ANT IN 2. You could even use these two RX antenna jacks for the main and sub receivers, independent of the main antenna jack, which would still be used for transmit.

With an ATU installed, you'd be able to specify any one of its three antennas as an RX antenna. This can then be assigned to either or both receivers. So this, too, is a diversity antenna option.


> Can the internal ATU be assigned to an ANT port, or is it always assigned to ANT 1? 

The ATU has three antenna jacks (ANT 1/2/3). At a given time, one of these can be assigned to the LC network and thus be available for transmit (and optionally for either or both receivers). The two jacks not assigned to transmit are then available for possible use as receive antennas (see above).

As an example, here's the control sequence you'd use to select ANT 1 for transmit, RX ANT 2 for the main receiver, and RX ANT 2 for the sub receiver.

    ANT     (selects transmit antenna; tap once or twice to get to ANT1 icon)

    RX ANT > RX1   (main receiver)

    SUB ANT > RX2  (sub receiver)

The default for both receivers is to use the same antenna as the transmitter. This is selected by:

    RX ANT > =TX

    SUB ANT > =TX

Antenna configurations are stored per-band. You can optionally assign names (like "YAGI3", "LOOP", etc.) to antennas using an on-screen QWERTY keyboard. These names will then show up in place of the main RX/sub RX/TX antenna icons.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Jul 24 11:48:41 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:48:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 TX GAIN Values
In-Reply-To: <C0D55214-7E82-4385-B971-CA1C9EAB3FC3@icloud.com>
References: <C0D55214-7E82-4385-B971-CA1C9EAB3FC3@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <69a29dc0-4faf-b5a2-46de-91a4713375f9@embarqmail.com>

Clarke,

That slow rise in power out is known as "power hunting", and is usually 
the result of not providing enough audio to the radio.  You need to 
drive the audio enough to illuminate 4 bars on the ALC meter with the 
5th bar flickering.

See the document on my website www.w3fpr.com - scroll the left column to 
the last article and click to open the document.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/24/2020 10:37 AM, Virginia Greene via Elecraft wrote:
> My KX3 is almost five years old now.  Times sure flies, eh?
> 
>  From the beginning, the output on 15M has been a little lower at maximum power setting than on the other 12 watt maximum output bands.  Typically, I?d see 9-10 watts.  No big deal.
> 
> More recently, I?ve been trying FT8 operation.
> 
> What I?ve observed is that for the first transmission on 15M using FT8, the output power starts out at 1 watt and gradually creeps up to perhaps 3 watts by the end of the transmission.  The next transmission might get to 5 watts, and the third might get to the final value of what I set - 7 to 12 watts.  (Yeah, I know about heating.  That?s not the issue.)
> 
> I think this is due to the way the ALC system works in the KX3.  It doesn?t exhibit this behavior on CW.
> 
> But, other bands are not nearly as bad.  For example, on 80M the maximum output is attained on FT8 within a second or so of the first transmission.  On 10M, it takes about three seconds.
> 
> This start-up thing happens every time I change bands.  That suggests that the ALC is slowly adjusting per band.  Makes sense.
> 
> In an attempt to correct this, I tried a TX GAIN calibration.  It didn?t help.
> 
> I asked the very helpful, and currently overwhelmed, support folks at Elecraft about this.  Doug sent me the factory original config file for this KX3 to me, asking me to try loading it and checking, thinking that perhaps some value gotten corrupted somehow.  That didn?t help, though it was a great idea.
> 
> So, I started looking through the TX GAIN values that you can view when the TECH MD menu entry is set to ON.  What I discovered was that the 15M value was and is significantly different than for the other bands.  This was true for both the factory original calibration as well as a recent TX GAIN calibration.
> 
> My guess, and it?s obviously a guess, is that the amount of ALC correction done on changing bands is somewhat related to the TX GAIN value.  So, the very different TX GAIN value for 15M is taking much longer for the ALC to adjust to than on the other bands.
> 
> My question of all of you is: What is the TX GAIN value for your KX3 on 15M?
> 
> Perhaps what I?m observing is normal and just the way the radio works.  But, maybe, there?s something amiss with the hardware.  No way to tell without poking around inside with an oscilloscope, which I?d love to avoid if I could.
> 

From cvgreene at icloud.com  Fri Jul 24 12:27:02 2020
From: cvgreene at icloud.com (Virginia Greene)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:27:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 TX GAIN Values
In-Reply-To: <69a29dc0-4faf-b5a2-46de-91a4713375f9@embarqmail.com>
References: <C0D55214-7E82-4385-B971-CA1C9EAB3FC3@icloud.com>
	<69a29dc0-4faf-b5a2-46de-91a4713375f9@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <1D70DFA7-2403-4283-B479-FD8C9F65127E@icloud.com>

Sorry - I should?ve been more clear.

The ALC ?meter? consistently sits at 4 bars, only occasionally touching the fifth bar, on all bands.  I got the information for setting the levels from your website.

This hunting situation is, by far, most severe on 15M.  On the other bands I barely notice the effect.  The only obvious difference between the bands is the calibrated TX GAIN values shown in the Menu item available when TECH MODE is turned on.  

One more thing - this same thing happens into a dummy load.  So, it doesn?t seem likely to be an RF-getting-into-the-system problem.

73,

Clarke  K1JX

> On Jul 24, 2020, at 11:48 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Clarke,
> 
> That slow rise in power out is known as "power hunting", and is usually the result of not providing enough audio to the radio.  You need to drive the audio enough to illuminate 4 bars on the ALC meter with the 5th bar flickering.
> 
> See the document on my website www.w3fpr.com - scroll the left column to the last article and click to open the document.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 


From w1srd at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 24 13:45:14 2020
From: w1srd at yahoo.com (Steve Dyer W1SRD)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:45:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KRX3A + Filters for Sale - Stripping my K3
References: <ddc98655-09f2-70e5-7691-08674fb06849.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ddc98655-09f2-70e5-7691-08674fb06849@yahoo.com>

In process of turning my K3 into a minimalist expedition radio and 
taking the following out of it.

Filters:
1 KFL3A-1.8K $130 shipped
1 KFL3A-400 $130 shipped
2 KFL3C-200 (matched pair) $235 shipped

KRX3A with KFL3A-2.8K purchased new 8/2016?? $580 shipped. Includes all 
hardware except the circular foam pad for the back of the speaker which 
is easy to substitute.
*Note: If you have a K3 (not S) the KRX3A requires the KSYN3A 
synthesizer upgrade. *

Paypal OK. Shipped USPS Priority.

73,
Steve
W1SRD






From nelasat at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 24 17:38:01 2020
From: nelasat at yahoo.com (Keith Ennis)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 21:38:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital Dispaly Units for W2,
 KPA500 and coming next week KPA1500 DDU
References: <1891740367.4800445.1595626681188.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1891740367.4800445.1595626681188@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,
My new KPA1500 Digital Display Unit will be available next week after testing is complete and stock is built.The KPA1500 DDU can be remotely located from the main amplifier up to the RS232 limits.It will display the same screen as is shown on the display at the amplifier. This will allow viewing of the screen on the amplifier? while the KPA1500 is located away from the operating position.? The DDU is only 4x4x2 so it can be placed at your favorite viewing location.?
More information will be available next week along with ordering.
You can be added to the list for notification of ordering by emailing DDUinfo at yahoo.com
You can also order my other DDUs at?http://www.kv5j.com
W2 Watt Meter DDU is in stock.
KPA500 Amplifier DDU is in stock.

73,
Keith,KV5J

From k4pxjoe at gmail.com  Fri Jul 24 20:12:01 2020
From: k4pxjoe at gmail.com (K4PX K4PX)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 20:12:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4
Message-ID: <CACfGWQoYkPzeDA6P_ParpyxeECjzsz2Na-5s1iRj3=T9bmJ7tg@mail.gmail.com>

Anybody have any idea when K4 will ship?

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Fri Jul 24 20:46:32 2020
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 20:46:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4
In-Reply-To: <CACfGWQoYkPzeDA6P_ParpyxeECjzsz2Na-5s1iRj3=T9bmJ7tg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACfGWQoYkPzeDA6P_ParpyxeECjzsz2Na-5s1iRj3=T9bmJ7tg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1CEF0E50-8F89-453F-8682-8F7E97CCD07C@widomaker.com>

God ONLY knows. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 24, 2020, at 8:15 PM, K4PX K4PX <k4pxjoe at gmail.com> wrote:
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> ?Anybody have any idea when K4 will ship?
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From rocketnj at gmail.com  Fri Jul 24 20:58:40 2020
From: rocketnj at gmail.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 20:58:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4
In-Reply-To: <1CEF0E50-8F89-453F-8682-8F7E97CCD07C@widomaker.com>
References: <1CEF0E50-8F89-453F-8682-8F7E97CCD07C@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <5FEA1753-39B9-4F6A-A2BA-33298E2ED8CE@gmail.com>

When it?s ready.



Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 24, 2020, at 8:48 PM, Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
> 
> ?God ONLY knows. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On Jul 24, 2020, at 8:15 PM, K4PX K4PX <k4pxjoe at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Anybody have any idea when K4 will ship?
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From nv4c.ian at gmail.com  Fri Jul 24 21:07:01 2020
From: nv4c.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 21:07:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4
In-Reply-To: <CACfGWQoYkPzeDA6P_ParpyxeECjzsz2Na-5s1iRj3=T9bmJ7tg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACfGWQoYkPzeDA6P_ParpyxeECjzsz2Na-5s1iRj3=T9bmJ7tg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN1Md6G=xNztkJTomv02_AyOam-cCbECdApSYenxFbQdgS_Ftw@mail.gmail.com>

When Wayne and Eric say it is ready to ship.

73 de,

Ian, NV4C

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 8:13 PM K4PX K4PX <k4pxjoe at gmail.com> wrote:

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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Jul 24 21:19:43 2020
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 18:19:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4
In-Reply-To: <CACfGWQoYkPzeDA6P_ParpyxeECjzsz2Na-5s1iRj3=T9bmJ7tg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACfGWQoYkPzeDA6P_ParpyxeECjzsz2Na-5s1iRj3=T9bmJ7tg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2f2a29ea-1395-e551-f238-4fd8b81ac0f2@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/24/2020 5:12 PM, K4PX K4PX wrote:
> Anybody have any idea when K4 will ship?

Anyone have any idea when the pandemic will be over?

73, Jim K9YC

From ve3nr at bell.net  Fri Jul 24 21:23:26 2020
From: ve3nr at bell.net (Bert)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 21:23:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4
In-Reply-To: <2f2a29ea-1395-e551-f238-4fd8b81ac0f2@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CACfGWQoYkPzeDA6P_ParpyxeECjzsz2Na-5s1iRj3=T9bmJ7tg@mail.gmail.com>
	<2f2a29ea-1395-e551-f238-4fd8b81ac0f2@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <5d39fb0b-87e4-82bc-009f-05377954fec1@bell.net>

It starts to look like kindergarten! ;-))

Bert VE3NR


On 2020-07-24 21:19, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 7/24/2020 5:12 PM, K4PX K4PX wrote:
>> Anybody have any idea when K4 will ship?
>
> Anyone have any idea when the pandemic will be over?
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From lromero56 at tampabay.rr.com  Fri Jul 24 21:25:41 2020
From: lromero56 at tampabay.rr.com (Luis V. Romero)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 21:25:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Cooling
Message-ID: <002b01d66222$83112f80$89338e80$@tampabay.rr.com>

In the analog NTSC days, Harris UHF broadcast transmitters were liquid
cooled by stuff called UCARTHERM-HTF 6141 (If memory serves me). 

We called it "Vulcan Blood".  It was a special Ethylene Glycol much like
automotive anti-freeze but thicker and with lots of other goodies inside.
It was an interesting MSDS sheet.

An older RCA UHF TV Transmitter I remember "fondly" used distilled water.
There was a resistance sensor on the circulation system that measured the
resistance of the water.  The meter pointer on the yellow part of the meter
meant a long Friday overnight to Saturday morning session that week.
Usually quarterly. 

And, don't even think of turning the rig off during cold winter nights! The
heat exchanger had no heating element, and if you left the rig off for more
than a couple of hours, the water would freeze and crack it open, which was
a really bad thing to happen. 

No snow ever gathered in the vicinity of the heat exchanger exhaust duct.
There could be two feet of snow on the driveway, but there was always a spot
on the side of the building that was not only snow free, but often dry.
Often, the icicles on the adjacent windows were legendary!

Nobody ever thought of bypassing some of that heat into the building...
Those were the days of cheap energy.

Lu - W4LT 

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 16:46:00 -0400
From: <tony.kaz at verizon.net>
To: "'Paul Christensen'" <w9ac at arrl.net>,	<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Cooling
Message-ID: <02b001d66132$4664f990$d32eecb0$@verizon.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="utf-8"

Hi Paul,
I can't remember what we used to use for closed loop cooling. I don't think
we used distilled water because it's resistance would increase over time
from picking up ions from the metal. In our case it was cooling loops in a
copper 37" electrode. I thought it was some kind of antifreeze or maybe an
oil? And also isn't distilled water quite reactive?
To many bourbons ago ?
N2TK, Tony




From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Fri Jul 24 21:56:08 2020
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 21:56:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Cooling
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-59A257B575754EF59BAFA9FAD2571A7E@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

The Cray-2 computer was cooled with "Fluorinert", a 3M product 
which is an electrically insulating, stable fluorocarbon-based fluid.

73 Bill AE6JV

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Peterborough, NH 03458


From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Fri Jul 24 21:56:07 2020
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 21:56:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-B137865BAF2345988152D5ED961EE648@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

My guess is when the board manufacturers, metal benders, 
printers, etc. can deliver. California is in deep Covid-19 
trouble now.

 From what I can guess based on reports from the beta testers, 
the hardware and firmware are good enough to ship.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 7/24/20 at 8:12 PM, k4pxjoe at gmail.com (K4PX K4PX) wrote:

>Anybody have any idea when K4 will ship?

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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sat Jul 25 00:59:27 2020
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 21:59:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Cooling
In-Reply-To: <r480Ps-10146i-59A257B575754EF59BAFA9FAD2571A7E@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-59A257B575754EF59BAFA9FAD2571A7E@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <2d40daca-c680-20f1-9f30-39d5d975c43f@triconet.org>

The Phoenix Missile was cooled using Coolanol.? Insidious stuff.? Never wear a 
new pair of slacks when you might get near a Phoenix Receiver/Transmitter Unit.? 
Don't ask me how I know this.

Aircraft carrier Captains hated it leaking all over their carrier decks about as 
much as AFB Generals hated SR71s leaking fuel all over their runways.? We "dried 
up" Phoenix after the Shah was overthrown and the Russians got Phoenix and we 
redesigned it to replace klystrons with IMPATTs.

And they paid us to have all this fun.

Wes? N7WS

On 7/24/2020 6:56 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
> The Cray-2 computer was cooled with "Fluorinert", a 3M product which is an 
> electrically insulating, stable fluorocarbon-based fluid.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Bill Frantz??????? | gets() remains as a monument | Periwinkle
> (408)348-7900????? | to C's continuing support of | 150 Rivermead Rd #235
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From dxer67 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 25 02:29:21 2020
From: dxer67 at yahoo.com (Hubert ROTH)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 06:29:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2
References: <1395714576.6959566.1595658561722.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1395714576.6959566.1595658561722@mail.yahoo.com>

Dear all? After a long time I decided to reactivate my K2 SN 284. First 15Minutes everything fine. Then when I transmit even wit min power I get INF0? or sometimes INF0 000 everything still working, RX and TX . frequency power and so same on all bands
Anybody a clue?
Many thanks and 73,s 
Hubert F6DUK



From 73.de.ne1ee at gmail.com  Sat Jul 25 06:39:25 2020
From: 73.de.ne1ee at gmail.com (Rich NE1EE)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 06:39:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Cooling
In-Reply-To: <002b01d66222$83112f80$89338e80$@tampabay.rr.com>
References: <002b01d66222$83112f80$89338e80$@tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5f1c0be7.1c69fb81.d1e40.e53c@mx.google.com>

If you're up to the challenge, hydrogen is a great for cooling. Very nice thermal conductivity and thermal capacity. I've worked on systems that used it for cooling.

~R~
72/73 de Rich NE1EE
On the banks of the Piscataqua


From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Sat Jul 25 06:54:09 2020
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (tony.kaz at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 06:54:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Cooling
In-Reply-To: <r480Ps-10146i-59A257B575754EF59BAFA9FAD2571A7E@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-59A257B575754EF59BAFA9FAD2571A7E@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <017601d66271$ed600dd0$c8202970$@verizon.net>

Bill,
That is what I was trying to remember what we used for cooling for the
electrodes in RF plasma tools.
Thanks
N2TK, Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Bill Frantz
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 9:56 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Cooling

The Cray-2 computer was cooled with "Fluorinert", a 3M product which is an
electrically insulating, stable fluorocarbon-based fluid.

73 Bill AE6JV

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www.pwpconsult.com | buffer overruns.             | 
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From dxer67 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 25 07:04:59 2020
From: dxer67 at yahoo.com (Hubert ROTH)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 11:04:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Inf0
References: <1852144399.6991504.1595675099760.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1852144399.6991504.1595675099760@mail.yahoo.com>

Dear group
I kranked up my 20 Years old K2 SN 284? Software 1.04? and at each PTT even with min power I get Inf0 sometimes inf0 000 but everything works.Vincenc EA3ADV suggested a master reset, good idea lets do that
If I am correct for that I nett direct entry of 5757x frequency. If i do that no Info 249 but it jumps to 28024.94Khz!!! no info 249 for next power on resetDoes CPU suffer from some Alzheimer deseas!!!? looks weard 

I would really like to get it to work and any clue is appreciated
Best 73,s 
Hubert F6DUK

From W2xj at w2xj.net  Sat Jul 25 10:37:19 2020
From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:37:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Cooling
In-Reply-To: <5f1c0be7.1c69fb81.d1e40.e53c@mx.google.com>
References: <5f1c0be7.1c69fb81.d1e40.e53c@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <5459B4DA-DC4F-404D-8B25-13E9B78215F1@w2xj.net>

I would avoid that in ham or broadcast transmitters due to the potential skill sets (or lack thereof)of end users. Hydrogen is too explosive in the wrong hands. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 25, 2020, at 6:41 AM, Rich NE1EE <73.de.NE1EE at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?If you're up to the challenge, hydrogen is a great for cooling. Very nice thermal conductivity and thermal capacity. I've worked on systems that used it for cooling.
> 
> ~R~
> 72/73 de Rich NE1EE
> On the banks of the Piscataqua
> 
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From starman10 at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 25 11:11:04 2020
From: starman10 at hotmail.com (Lou W0FK)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 08:11:04 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 For Sale
Message-ID: <1595689864046-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

I have a "no options" P3 for sale. With cables for the K3. I do not have the
CBLP3Y KIO3B RJ45 cable. Please contact me directly if you're interested.
lladerman AT earthlink DOT net

73, Lou W0FK



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From dick93117 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 25 12:33:25 2020
From: dick93117 at gmail.com (RICHARD Martin)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 09:33:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Cooling
In-Reply-To: <5459B4DA-DC4F-404D-8B25-13E9B78215F1@w2xj.net>
References: <5f1c0be7.1c69fb81.d1e40.e53c@mx.google.com>
	<5459B4DA-DC4F-404D-8B25-13E9B78215F1@w2xj.net>
Message-ID: <CAO2MursbfMibO0n7U_da8d4TZcV04s5UGL53T9y2=zViDYCxcA@mail.gmail.com>

If you have to use gas, use Helium.  It is very good especially at reduced
pressures where the mean free path  approaches the dimension  of the
container.

Dick Martin KN6AA

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020, 07:37 W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net> wrote:

> I would avoid that in ham or broadcast transmitters due to the potential
> skill sets (or lack thereof)of end users. Hydrogen is too explosive in the
> wrong hands.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jul 25, 2020, at 6:41 AM, Rich NE1EE <73.de.NE1EE at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?If you're up to the challenge, hydrogen is a great for cooling. Very
> nice thermal conductivity and thermal capacity. I've worked on systems that
> used it for cooling.
> >
> > ~R~
> > 72/73 de Rich NE1EE
> > On the banks of the Piscataqua
> >
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From mikekopacki at gmail.com  Sat Jul 25 12:38:33 2020
From: mikekopacki at gmail.com (Mike Kopacki)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 12:38:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 K2/100 post FD review
In-Reply-To: <a556bf71-3d7f-44e0-4929-685000bd633b@horizon.co.fk>
References: <a556bf71-3d7f-44e0-4929-685000bd633b@horizon.co.fk>
Message-ID: <6966690E-1193-4538-BD7F-BBA81B859E50@gmail.com>

Final update...

After several weeks of troubleshooting, led by Don, W3FPR, of realigning bandpass filters, checking RF and DC voltages per the K2 manual, and finally confirming that the bias voltages were correct to the Q7 & Q8 finals, Don suggested ordering the K2PAKIT and replacing the finals. 

I did that this morning and that corrected the problem. I?m now getting over 100w out on all bands except 10m where I?m getting 94w!

Don deserves all the credit and Don, I can?t thank you enough!  You are The Man!

If anybody catches up with Don, please buy him a beer on my behalf!

Thanks,
Mike NJ2OM 

> On Jul 1, 2020, at 8:49 AM, Mike Harris via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Mike,
> 
> You are the only one who can determine this. Everyone else is reduced to guessing because they don't have access to your PSU/K2/power lead.
> 
> Simple:
> 
> Measure the PSU voltage on RX at the PUS terminals.
> Measure the PSU voltage on TX set to 100W at the PSU terminals.
> 
> Compare both of these with the internal K2 voltage display.
> 
> Report the findings.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mike VP8NO
> 
> 
> 
>> On 30/06/2020 21:34, Mike Kopacki wrote:
>> I didn?t have ring connectors big enough but I did have spade connectors. I crimped and soldered them but there was no change in the voltage readings during receive and transmit.
>> Is it possible that the power supply is failing?
>> Why, if the voltage drops during transmit to 11.6V, does the radio still put out 100W on 30, 40 and 80 meters?
>> Thanks,
>> Mike NJ2OM
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From MJGillen at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 25 12:48:19 2020
From: MJGillen at yahoo.com (Michael Gillen)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 09:48:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft]  P3 SVGA board blinking red light
In-Reply-To: <6966690E-1193-4538-BD7F-BBA81B859E50@gmail.com>
References: <a556bf71-3d7f-44e0-4929-685000bd633b@horizon.co.fk>
	<6966690E-1193-4538-BD7F-BBA81B859E50@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E73DD684-D279-40D3-93D0-23DEEC2BE2D8@yahoo.com>

My P3SVGA board is acting up and there is a blinking red light on the board (did not notice that before because the lid was always on).

Is the blinking red light bad? If yes, is there something I can do about it?

My symptoms are that I am unable to successfully load the FPGAx firmware - it fails for all FPGA?s with ?block 657 write failed?.


Thanks guys!
Michael
KK6RWK


From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sat Jul 25 12:56:36 2020
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 12:56:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA board blinking red light
In-Reply-To: <E73DD684-D279-40D3-93D0-23DEEC2BE2D8@yahoo.com>
References: <a556bf71-3d7f-44e0-4929-685000bd633b@horizon.co.fk>
	<6966690E-1193-4538-BD7F-BBA81B859E50@gmail.com>
	<E73DD684-D279-40D3-93D0-23DEEC2BE2D8@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6AF2923D-8AB9-4128-A7E4-30566D0BD54A@gmail.com>

The blinking red light is normal.  Indicates the onboard processor is working.

Grant NQ5T

> On Jul 25, 2020, at 12:48 PM, Michael Gillen via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> My P3SVGA board is acting up and there is a blinking red light on the board (did not notice that before because the lid was always on).
> 
> Is the blinking red light bad? If yes, is there something I can do about it?
> 
> My symptoms are that I am unable to successfully load the FPGAx firmware - it fails for all FPGA?s with ?block 657 write failed?.
> 
> 
> Thanks guys!
> Michael
> KK6RWK
> 
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From ai4ns.mike at gmail.com  Sat Jul 25 13:20:14 2020
From: ai4ns.mike at gmail.com (Mike Short)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 12:20:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Cooling
In-Reply-To: <CAO2MursbfMibO0n7U_da8d4TZcV04s5UGL53T9y2=zViDYCxcA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5f1c0be7.1c69fb81.d1e40.e53c@mx.google.com>
	<5459B4DA-DC4F-404D-8B25-13E9B78215F1@w2xj.net>
	<CAO2MursbfMibO0n7U_da8d4TZcV04s5UGL53T9y2=zViDYCxcA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAL7rsnHLszCVGxXFdP=wRDv=wWKGyYzeKUHdY741eW16m+pimA@mail.gmail.com>

We used helium to cool IR detectors on the RF-4C. It is also fun later. The
last IR system used nitrogen to cool the detectors. Not as much fun.

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 11:35 RICHARD Martin <dick93117 at gmail.com> wrote:

> If you have to use gas, use Helium.  It is very good especially at reduced
> pressures where the mean free path  approaches the dimension  of the
> container.
>
> Dick Martin KN6AA
>
> On Sat, Jul 25, 2020, 07:37 W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net> wrote:
>
> > I would avoid that in ham or broadcast transmitters due to the potential
> > skill sets (or lack thereof)of end users. Hydrogen is too explosive in
> the
> > wrong hands.
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On Jul 25, 2020, at 6:41 AM, Rich NE1EE <73.de.NE1EE at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > ?If you're up to the challenge, hydrogen is a great for cooling. Very
> > nice thermal conductivity and thermal capacity. I've worked on systems
> that
> > used it for cooling.
> > >
> > > ~R~
> > > 72/73 de Rich NE1EE
> > > On the banks of the Piscataqua
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From k2qmf at juno.com  Sat Jul 25 13:39:10 2020
From: k2qmf at juno.com (Salvatore ["Ted"]  K2QMF)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 13:39:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 1500 HELP!!
Message-ID: <Mailbird-1f8973e6-33f9-4a29-8091-b3ebb8d0d868@juno.com>

Hello,
I was in the IOTA Contest and a got a Fault message"FAULT: 50V Supply 0.0Volts"!!!
I can't reset this Fault!!
And the HV/Supply Light on the PS is RED!
I tried turning the PS off and back on but no change!!
Any help or suggestions much appreciate...
73,
Ted? K2QMF
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From dick at elecraft.com  Sat Jul 25 13:49:57 2020
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:49:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 1500 HELP!!
In-Reply-To: <Mailbird-1f8973e6-33f9-4a29-8091-b3ebb8d0d868@juno.com>
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Is there any chance that the 50V heavy gauge Red/Black cable is not firmly seated? The 75A Anderson Power pole connectors require a good firm push to seat completely.  I've heard of a few cases where the connection was intermittent because it wasn't completely seated.  

73 de Dick, K6KR






-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 10:39
To: Elecraft Support <support at elecraft.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 1500 HELP!!

Hello,
I was in the IOTA Contest and a got a Fault message"FAULT: 50V Supply 0.0Volts"!!!
I can't reset this Fault!!
And the HV/Supply Light on the PS is RED!
I tried turning the PS off and back on but no change!!
Any help or suggestions much appreciate...
73,
Ted  K2QMF
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From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Sat Jul 25 14:04:36 2020
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (tony.kaz at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 14:04:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 1500 HELP!!
In-Reply-To: <Mailbird-1f8973e6-33f9-4a29-8091-b3ebb8d0d868@juno.com>
References: <Mailbird-1f8973e6-33f9-4a29-8091-b3ebb8d0d868@juno.com>
Message-ID: <071501d662ae$0f27b3a0$2d771ae0$@verizon.net>

Ted,
Make sure the large red/black cables are pushed on all the way. You should feel a double click. If the light still is red suggest you contact Elecraft support.
GL
N2tK, Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Salvatore ["Ted"] K2QMF
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 1:39 PM
To: Elecraft Support <support at elecraft.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 1500 HELP!!

Hello,
I was in the IOTA Contest and a got a Fault message"FAULT: 50V Supply 0.0Volts"!!!
I can't reset this Fault!!
And the HV/Supply Light on the PS is RED!
I tried turning the PS off and back on but no change!!
Any help or suggestions much appreciate...
73,
Ted  K2QMF
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From k2qmf at juno.com  Sat Jul 25 14:07:22 2020
From: k2qmf at juno.com (Salvatore ["Ted"]  K2QMF)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 14:07:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 1500 HELP!!
In-Reply-To: <0e8c01d662ab$a8674c40$f935e4c0$@wjschmidt.com>
References: <Mailbird-1f8973e6-33f9-4a29-8091-b3ebb8d0d868@juno.com>
	<0e8c01d662ab$a8674c40$f935e4c0$@wjschmidt.com>
Message-ID: <Mailbird-f6c96441-8326-4d18-91fd-39403618daa6@juno.com>

When I disconnect the red and black cable from the PS and turn on the PS and amp the HV/Supply Light stays
GREEN!!? I tried to reseat both ends of the power cable but problem still exists!! as soon as I turn on the amp with both ends connected the PS HV/Supply light turns RED!!!
HELP!!
Ted? K2QMF


Disconnect the power (red and black) cable between the amp head and the power supply and turn the amp on. Is the "HV" light on the power supply still RED? If so, the power supply is bad... send it in for repair.


Dr. William J. Schmidt

Moderator ? North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

email: bill at wjschmidt.com



-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Salvatore ["Ted"] K2QMF
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 12:39 PM
To: Elecraft Support ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 1500 HELP!!

Hello,
I was in the IOTA Contest and a got a Fault message"FAULT: 50V Supply 0.0Volts"!!!
I can't reset this Fault!!
And the HV/Supply Light on the PS is RED!
I tried turning the PS off and back on but no change!!
Any help or suggestions much appreciate...
73,
Ted K2QMF
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From k4pxjoe at gmail.com  Sat Jul 25 14:11:14 2020
From: k4pxjoe at gmail.com (K4PX K4PX)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 14:11:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for P3
Message-ID: <CACfGWQozOdV3Z+R5yh1NyOkBgg8jhHJ5S3aEBr9Jp3YbWuXP0g@mail.gmail.com>

Looking for a good condition P3 with cables and at least the SVGA board.
My contact info good on QRZ.
73s,
Joe
K4PX

From rocketnj at gmail.com  Sat Jul 25 18:02:00 2020
From: rocketnj at gmail.com (rocketnj at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 18:02:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 1500 HELP!!
In-Reply-To: <Mailbird-f6c96441-8326-4d18-91fd-39403618daa6@juno.com>
References: <Mailbird-1f8973e6-33f9-4a29-8091-b3ebb8d0d868@juno.com>	<0e8c01d662ab$a8674c40$f935e4c0$@wjschmidt.com>
	<Mailbird-f6c96441-8326-4d18-91fd-39403618daa6@juno.com>
Message-ID: <025101d662cf$39431be0$abc953a0$@gmail.com>

Sounds like one of the LDMOS devices may have let out the magic smoke.

Contact support so they may properly troubleshoot the issue with you.

Dave wo2x


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Salvatore ["Ted"] K2QMF
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 2:07 PM
To: Dr. William J. Schmidt <bill at wjschmidt.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA 1500 HELP!!

When I disconnect the red and black cable from the PS and turn on the PS and amp the HV/Supply Light stays GREEN!!  I tried to reseat both ends of the power cable but problem still exists!! as soon as I turn on the amp with both ends connected the PS HV/Supply light turns RED!!!
HELP!!
Ted  K2QMF


Disconnect the power (red and black) cable between the amp head and the power supply and turn the amp on. Is the "HV" light on the power supply still RED? If so, the power supply is bad... send it in for repair.


Dr. William J. Schmidt

Moderator ? North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

email: bill at wjschmidt.com



-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Salvatore ["Ted"] K2QMF
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 12:39 PM
To: Elecraft Support ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 1500 HELP!!

Hello,
I was in the IOTA Contest and a got a Fault message"FAULT: 50V Supply 0.0Volts"!!!
I can't reset this Fault!!
And the HV/Supply Light on the PS is RED!
I tried turning the PS off and back on but no change!!
Any help or suggestions much appreciate...
73,
Ted K2QMF
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From mpilgrim at bellsouth.net  Sat Jul 25 18:38:11 2020
From: mpilgrim at bellsouth.net (mjpilgrim)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 15:38:11 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] SP3 intermittent A/B switch
Message-ID: <1595716691089-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

My apologies if I've overlooked SP3 discussions including this annoying
symptom on mine.  I purchased this SP3 new  a couple years ago.  After a few
weeks i noticed the A/B selector switch had become rather touchy, and at
times the audio would not be present unless I jiggled the switch a few
times.  I sort of migrated away from listening aloud, resorting to my
headphones in order to reduce disruptive noise for the family.  Recently I
decided to listen through the SP3 and was quickly reminded there was a
problem.  in order to listen, I have to periodically jiggle the A/B switch
or activate it back and forth between A and B until finally the audio comes
through clearly.  I swapped inputs from A to B and back again, but nothing
helped.

Am I dealing with a known problem on the SP3, and if so, is there a simple
remedy?  If a new switch is advised, is that available from Elecraft?  I
welcome any helpful suggestions.
Thanks.
Be safe.  73's
Mike Pilgrim, K5MP, Boca Raton, Fl



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From MJGillen at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 25 18:54:25 2020
From: MJGillen at yahoo.com (Michael Gillen)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 15:54:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA board blinking red light
In-Reply-To: <6AF2923D-8AB9-4128-A7E4-30566D0BD54A@gmail.com>
References: <a556bf71-3d7f-44e0-4929-685000bd633b@horizon.co.fk>
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	<E73DD684-D279-40D3-93D0-23DEEC2BE2D8@yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <D72012A8-3BB1-4FD5-BB4B-EAC7B5793D14@yahoo.com>

OK thank you.


> On Jul 25, 2020, at 9:56 AM, Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The blinking red light is normal.  Indicates the onboard processor is working.
> 
> Grant NQ5T
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2020, at 12:48 PM, Michael Gillen via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> 
>> My P3SVGA board is acting up and there is a blinking red light on the board (did not notice that before because the lid was always on).
>> 
>> Is the blinking red light bad? If yes, is there something I can do about it?
>> 
>> My symptoms are that I am unable to successfully load the FPGAx firmware - it fails for all FPGA?s with ?block 657 write failed?.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks guys!
>> Michael
>> KK6RWK
>> 
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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sat Jul 25 20:01:53 2020
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 20:01:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] SP3 intermittent A/B switch
In-Reply-To: <1595716691089-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Mike ..

This has come up before, at least once.  I think I?d try giving it a spritz of DeOxit and then working it a few times.  One suggestion was to run about 1ma of dc current through it and switch it a few times to clean it.  (I?m not sure I?d go that far, but it might work).

You can request the part number, price, and, I presume, stock status through the Support -> Parts Order From web-link, or just give them a call on Monday.

Grant NQ5T




> On Jul 25, 2020, at 6:38 PM, mjpilgrim <mpilgrim at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
> My apologies if I've overlooked SP3 discussions including this annoying
> symptom on mine.  I purchased this SP3 new  a couple years ago.  After a few
> weeks i noticed the A/B selector switch had become rather touchy, and at
> times the audio would not be present unless I jiggled the switch a few
> times.  I sort of migrated away from listening aloud, resorting to my
> headphones in order to reduce disruptive noise for the family.  Recently I
> decided to listen through the SP3 and was quickly reminded there was a
> problem.  in order to listen, I have to periodically jiggle the A/B switch
> or activate it back and forth between A and B until finally the audio comes
> through clearly.  I swapped inputs from A to B and back again, but nothing
> helped.
> 
> Am I dealing with a known problem on the SP3, and if so, is there a simple
> remedy?  If a new switch is advised, is that available from Elecraft?  I
> welcome any helpful suggestions.
> Thanks.
> Be safe.  73's
> Mike Pilgrim, K5MP, Boca Raton, Fl


From w1srd at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 25 20:50:38 2020
From: w1srd at yahoo.com (Steve Dyer)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 17:50:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: K2 DSP Filter KDSP2
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Message-ID: <9a59423f-0011-365f-dc25-e0aa3f5d071f@yahoo.com>

I dug out my K2 during shack cleanup and was going to sell it but it's 
been great fun to play with and decided to keep it. Maybe a bit of 
nostalgia and also remembering pain and joy of the build process :-).

Selling just the KDSP2. It works great, but I prefer the sound and 
simplicity of the KAF2.

Side by side the KDSP2 compared very favorably with a Timewave DSP-599zx 
with v5 firmware.

Includes the manual, control board headers and mounting hardware.

Note: The K2 MCU must be 2.01 or greater.

$225 (firm) shipped.

PayPal preferred.

73,

Steve
W1SRD



From kevinr at coho.net  Sat Jul 25 23:20:52 2020
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 20:20:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <bb43219b-5efa-8b56-81fb-1b6d623e2d7a@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? Another cool week but there was more sun, the undergrowth is filling 
in the scars from the timber thinning operation.? The deer and elk 
trails are becoming more regular and easier to follow. Previously they 
trended east to west but now there are a few north south paths.? The 
huckleberries are not ripe yet though the blackberries are starting.? 
The wild strawberry season is almost done.

 ?? A real sunspot has popped up and lasted for more than a day. It is 
from cycle 25 and should be visible projected through a telescope or 
binoculars.? It's a start.

 ?? An antenna design is stuck in my head.? It consists of three legs, 
each 1/4 wavelength long.? One leg is vertical while the two radials are 
120 degrees below it.? The two radials are connected electrically while 
the vertical leg is fed separately.? If it had more radials it would be 
called a 1/4 wave vertical.? But the one stuck in my head has elevated 
radials and only two of them.? I cannot remember what this antenna is 
called.? I know 'inverted Y antenna' doesn't work as a search term.? 
Does anyone know what this is usually called so I can use a better 
search string?? The low take off angle would be nice.? It looks like a 
20 or 40 meter version would be easy to build and raise.

Please join us on (or near):

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 ? 7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

 ?? 73,
 ????? Kevin. KD5ONS


_


Antelope Freeway 1/128 mile


From mcoslo at comcast.net  Sun Jul 26 00:22:44 2020
From: mcoslo at comcast.net (Michael Coslo)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 00:22:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 issue
Message-ID: <9E5F36E0-C761-418E-84B5-71C731147DEF@comcast.net>

Good evening all.

We have a K3S Setup with the K3S, panadpter, secondary knob, and a KPA1500.

The amp has recently started something weird. When turned off, it will power cycle on for about a second, then turn off and repeat. The cooling fan comes on full speed, although nothing is warm. Turned on, it seems to act normally, although I didn?t press the issue much, just tuned into the antenna with low power. 

I did update to the latest firmwear, I know that part  works. 

Looking at the fault log, I notice it mentions 10Volts, but I?m not certain how to interpret the rest of it. Possibly a fault in there somewhere. 

I do have a report into Elecraft, but I submitted it Friday afternoon, and a good chance there wasn?t anyone there at the time, and haven?t heard back yet.

Anyone have anything similar happen?

- 73 N3LI - 
- Michael Coslo -
Frequency Coordinator, Beaver Stadium
814-404-3991
mjc5 at psu.edu
mjcn3li at gmail.com


From n1rj at roadrunner.com  Sun Jul 26 10:24:20 2020
From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 10:24:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: K3/100 s/n 2578
Message-ID: <77c47565-cec3-115a-7adf-f32067affc07@roadrunner.com>

Has virtually all options except VHF converters and KBPF3 on aux receiver.
6, 2.7 and 0.5 kHz filters in main RX; 2.7 and 0.5 hHz filters in aux RX.

Went back to Mothership in Jul 2016 for TLC and upgrades.

Please contact me directly with any questions: n1rj at roadrunner.com

Asking $2500 plus shipping

73, Roger


From kthreebo at gmail.com  Sun Jul 26 11:21:12 2020
From: kthreebo at gmail.com (barry halterman)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 11:21:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 RF power fluctuate
Message-ID: <CACW=-xGPjG14nh1ZrSBF34bcW5KZupA3Wtc+VC8j8ij8aGAWYA@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings. I just completed my K2 build and the RX works great. Wish I
would have done this years ago. One issue I noticed with the transmitter is
that when I press the tune button, the output power will either be above or
below the power control setting. I found this during the transmitter
alignment phase of the build.
If I have the output power set for 2 watts, I get 2.8 or 1.6. if I have the
output set at 10 watts I get 9 or 5 watts. I am using an external watt
meter and I verified that the voltage to the K2 is around 13.6 volts. This
occurs on all bands by the way.
I have checked RF voltages back to the control board at Q8 Valc and found
that the output voltage , at this point, varies by a few tenths of a mv,
thus changing the drive power down the line, changing the output power that
changes the Valc output..... Round robin situation!!
Anyone have a similar situation?
Thanks
Barry

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jul 26 11:37:59 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 11:37:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 RF power fluctuate
In-Reply-To: <CACW=-xGPjG14nh1ZrSBF34bcW5KZupA3Wtc+VC8j8ij8aGAWYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACW=-xGPjG14nh1ZrSBF34bcW5KZupA3Wtc+VC8j8ij8aGAWYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2f97559f-ccd2-35dc-1107-37e9803944ab@embarqmail.com>

Barry,

The TUNE power is not as tightly controlled by the firmware as normal CW 
keying.
That was done as an aid to those using manual antenna tuners.  The K2 
normally tries to keep the power steady at the requested power.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/26/2020 11:21 AM, barry halterman wrote:
> Greetings. I just completed my K2 build and the RX works great. Wish I
> would have done this years ago. One issue I noticed with the transmitter is
> that when I press the tune button, the output power will either be above or
> below the power control setting. I found this during the transmitter
> alignment phase of the build.
> If I have the output power set for 2 watts, I get 2.8 or 1.6. if I have the
> output set at 10 watts I get 9 or 5 watts. I am using an external watt
> meter and I verified that the voltage to the K2 is around 13.6 volts. This
> occurs on all bands by the way.

From f8acf56 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 26 12:18:08 2020
From: f8acf56 at gmail.com (Christophe aufacf)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 18:18:08 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] sidetone problem
In-Reply-To: <a086ae2d-ff56-601f-fea7-fe016efd286e@embarqmail.com>
References: <CABA2KTEY47YXgKoJtJv3Xw1Lwyz9=MKUEK3uCSETBHorOA3Luw@mail.gmail.com>
	<a086ae2d-ff56-601f-fea7-fe016efd286e@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABA2KTEczrmyWgdS6wS7RM7VM=wwLagGv_iQYrUWSL3Lf=c8cw@mail.gmail.com>

hello sorry for the delay,
I didn't have the time, look at the lack of time

stl regler 030, I press on display I have U8-4 but impossible to switch to U8-25

thank you for your opinion

thank you again for your precious help

73 , Cris F8ACF

Le lun. 20 juil. 2020 ? 22:56, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> a ?crit :
>
> Christophe,
>
> You likely do not have the proper sidetone source selected.
> Go to the STL menu and set the parameter to about 30 - then tap DISPLAY
> to toggle between U6-25 and U8-4.  Stop when you hear sidetone and exit
> the menu.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/20/2020 3:50 PM, Christophe aufacf wrote:
> > Good morning all ,
> >
> > I repaired my K2 with Don recently the problem now
> >
> > I realized that I can handle in Cw but I no longer have at the same
> > time the sound of the CW of course in emission
> >
> > the STL 030 menu, whatever the level, nothing changes, any idea?
> >



-- 
73 , F8ACF56

From mikekopacki at gmail.com  Sun Jul 26 12:45:27 2020
From: mikekopacki at gmail.com (Mike Kopacki)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 12:45:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 K2/100 post FD review
In-Reply-To: <c1fb3f88-a204-e2c3-2a40-7b604811e699@embarqmail.com>
References: <c1fb3f88-a204-e2c3-2a40-7b604811e699@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CB80A430-17E0-4C72-BBD3-57F5DB4B0E27@gmail.com>

So I?m just gonna say this:

He?s Don the Mon (that?s Spanish for ?man?)!

Thanks,
Mike NJ2OM 

> On Jul 26, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Mike,
> 
> That is good news - it sounds like you are back in business with the K2/100.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 7/25/2020 12:19 PM, Mike Kopacki wrote:
>> Well, Don, it looks like the problem were the finals. I?m getting over 100 watts on all bands except 10 meters where I?m getting 94.
>> 
>> I can?t thank you enough for helping me. I wouldn?t have been able to track it down without your help!
>> 
>> Maybe our paths will cross some day and I can buy you a beer!
>> 
>> I will post a final update to the forum.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Mike NJ2OM
>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2020, at 9:23 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Mike,
>>> 
>>> If your R50 is a half watt resistor, there should be no need to replace it.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>> 
>>>> On 7/25/2020 8:07 AM, Mike Kopacki wrote:
>>>> Good morning, Don.
>>>> 
>>>> The PAkit includes a replacement for R50. Should I replace that?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Mike NJ2OM
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 21, 2020, at 5:56 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> ?Mike,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am just trying to determine if the PA transistors are the original Mitsubishi or the batch that Elecraft ordered after Mitsubishi stopped making them.  The originals did not have to be matched, and the batch after that were initially not matched - I found that the Hfe varied greatly resulting in many PA transistor failures, and after that finding, they were matched by Elecraft.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So if the PA transistors you took out were marked as Mitsubishi, they may have been OK, but early 2000's says that they may have been the mismatched transistor pair.  I can't recall the year I discovered that problem - it was likely 2008 or so.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I suspect yours may be in the time after the Mitsubishi and were not matched at the time.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 7/21/2020 5:33 PM, Mike Kopacki wrote:
>>>>>> I probably built it in the early 2000?s. But I?ve been off the air for a good 15 years.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What are you thinking?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Mike NJ2OM
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 2020, at 4:01 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> ?Mike,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Good, but if the new PA transistors don't fix it,  there is not much more to check in the PA circuit.
>>>>>>> How old is this K2?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 7/21/2020 3:57 PM, Mike Kopacki wrote:
>>>>>>>> I got an email from Elecraft right after I sent you the voltages, saying the PAkit has been shipped. So I?m keeping my fingers crossed that a new set of transistors will fix it.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Mike NJ2OM
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 2020, at 2:42 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> ?Mike,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> That is good - right where it needs to be.
>>>>>>>>> I would still replace Q7 and Q8.  From all the measurements you made, they appear to be weak at higher frequencies.
>>>>>>>>> I sure don't know why that should be so, but it apparently is true.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/21/2020 2:33 PM, Mike Kopacki wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Haha, my bad again!  It?s .625v!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Mike NJ2OM
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> ?Mike,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Did you misplace the decimal?  It should be between 0.60 and 0.64 volts.
>>>>>>>>>>> If it really is over 6 volts, then you have a problem with Q11 and Q13.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> There are few methods to reliably test those transistors at RF levels.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>>>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/21/2020 11:41 AM, Mike Kopacki wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Q7 & Q8 removed.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> DC voltage, measured from the Base pads of both Q7 & Q8 during TUNE, is 6.25V for both.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you then believe Q7 and/or Q8 are bad, is there a way to check them when out of the circuit?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Elecraft has not yet shipped the PAkit.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike NJ2OM
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 2020, at 5:38 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?Mike,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Q11 and Q13 are smack down on the board, to change them, crush the transistor bodies Pliers, cutters, anything that works - there should be enough lead left to pull it out of the hole.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/19/2020 5:32 PM, Mike Kopacki wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will try to desolder them first, in case it?s Q11 & Q13 that?s bad. If I can?t I will sacrifice the PA transistors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike NJ2OM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 2020, at 1:27 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?Mike,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you do not have good desoldering tools, cut the leads off near the transistor body and remove them one at a time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clean up with solder wick, and if solder is left in the holes, heat the pad and push it out with a wooden toothpick.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/19/2020 1:20 PM, Mike Kopacki wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ordered the K2PAKIT. Tomorrow I?m planning to remove Q7 & Q8 and recheck the bias voltages per your instructions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike NJ2OM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 2020, at 3:20 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?Mike,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, yes there is a flat fiber washer, but it goes next the board - the phenolic standoff goes over it.  See the diagram for PA transistor mounting in the manual.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DO NOT OPERATE THE K2 IN TRANSMIT (or tune) WITH THE HEATSINK REMOVED.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do check the bias voltage with your DMM again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, Q11 and Q13 (and their circuits) set the bias voltage for the PA transistors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It MAY be that the PA transistors are OK, but the low bias voltage is what is causing low output on the high bands.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One thing that may cause the low base voltage is base to emitter leakage in the PA transistors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The gain at the lower bands is greater, and may overcome the low bias voltage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check the resistor values in the Q11 and Q13 circuit - see the schematic to identify them and their values.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The easiest way to check the bias voltage when the PA transistors are suspect is to remove the PA transistors, then do a TUNE while measuring the DC voltage on the PA base solder pads.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it is then OK, put in new PA transistors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If still not OK, then look at the Q11 and Q13 circuits.  If you find all resistor values are correct, replace Q11 and Q13 and retest.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once the bias voltage is correct, put the PA transistors in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The K2PAKIT contains a matched pair of PA transistors and replacements for Q11 and Q13 as well as some additional parts such as PA mounting hardware.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/18/2020 1:15 PM, Mike Kopacki wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The black washer is not a Shoulder washer. The shoulder washers were both still in the holes. There?s a flat black fiber washer that sits on the top of the brown phenolic standoff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as Q7 & Q8 goes, is there a reason why both would be bad?  Is it something that I may have caused?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can?t help but wonder if this problem has existed since I built the K2 but never noticed it, maybe because I didn't get on higher bands or just didn?t check the power out, and just assumed that it was the same as the requested power.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it existed since the beginning, then I only see 2 possible explanations- the transistors were both bad when delivered to me (unlikely) or I I caused the problem during assembly, which would be more likely.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In that case, I just don?t want to make the same mistake again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other questions:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1- are Q11 & Q13 the bias transistors?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2- I did not check Q 7 & Q8 in TUNE mode, since the top cover was removed. Instead, I keyed down with my paddles. Would that make a difference?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3- last, if both Q7 & Q8 are bad, why is the power out normal on 20m and below?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike NJ2OM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?That washer has a shoulder on it which fits the hole in the PA transistor tab.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/18/2020 10:07 AM, Mike Kopacki wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don, I forgot to mention that I am not aware of any special T-4 windings for 5w efficiency. The manual does not mention anything about that in the T-4 winding instructions. I did the windings according to the instructions 3-2-1-1.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also I see that the flat black washer goes on top of the spacers for Q 7 & 8.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike NJ2OM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?Mike,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry for the delayed response.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Higher RF voltage at those points is not a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is not good.  Were the RF voltage values on the base of Q7/Q8 OK?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If they were, try rewinding T4 following the instructions in the manual.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there any chance you wound T4 for "best efficiency at 5 watts"?  If so restore the 2:3:1:1 ratio to keep the power from becoming random above 5 watts - it should never be used with the KSB2 or KPA100 installed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You could have bad PA transistors, or the bias is not right. Measure the DC voltage at the base of Q7 or Q8 during a TUNE.  If it is not in the range of 0.60 to 0.64 volts, change Q11 and Q13 and recheck.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/16/2020 6:55 PM, Mike Kopacki wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, Dan, my bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I continued with the next section - Pre-driver, Driver, and PA.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first 5 steps checked higher than expected.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The 6th step - RF Detector Input - measured 1.5v and the expected is 2.0.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At first that didn?t seem like a big difference so I decided to repeat that test on all the bands. This is what I found:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Band   RF voltage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10              1.4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12              1.4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 15              1.4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 17              1.8
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20             2.0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 30             2.0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 40             2.0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 80             2.1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 160           1.5
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike NJ2OM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2020, at 4:21 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?Mike,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I indicated, when measuring points prior to the fault, you will find higher than expected values.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep going until you find one that is lower than expected - that is the stage to look at.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/16/2020 3:35 PM, Mike Kopacki wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don, I?ve done the first 5 steps on P. 14, middle of left hand column.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Setup
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Band 10m, freq 28200.00
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Power requested set to 5.0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - FCTR cable connected to TP2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - .001 mF capacitor across pins 7 & 12 of J11
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - DMM - auto range
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Readings On 4 back to back measurements
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Step 2 - .110, .104, .070, .076
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Step 3 - 1.4v, 1.4v, 1.4v, 1.4v
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Step 4 - .205, .201, .200, .197
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Step 5 - .195, .194, .192, .192
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These readings are so far off the expected that I don?t know what they mean.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will stop here until I hear back from you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike NJ2OM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 2020, at 5:51 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?Mike,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, now that you have good RF voltage out of the BFO, you can skip to the tests starting in the middle of the left column on page 14.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Use a band where the output is low.  If you find RF Voltage values that are greater than the expected, ignore them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are searching for the stage where the RF voltage is significantly less (10% or more) less than the expected value. When you find that point, stop and tell me where it is (I do not need a list of the good values).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/15/2020 5:36 PM, Mike Kopacki wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that I?m recovered from yesterday....I think my head is clear...I didn?t fully understand your directions above.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I replaced the .001 capacitor across pins 7 & 12 of U4. The first capacitor may not have been making good contact because the leads may be too short.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It?s Also possible that I had exited CAL FCTR before I did the first BFO Output check.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I redid the BFO Output check with CAL FCTR (0000.00 on the display, the FCTR cable was not connected at TP2) and got a value midrange - 51mV.  So I think that check now passes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to your last instructions...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying to do DC voltage checks on Q24 with a DMM ..... or RF voltage checks with the RF probe?  And should I also be in the CAL FCTR menu displaying the frequency as I described above while I am checking the Q24 voltages?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Last, you said to then continue with the transmitter signal tracing on P. 11. But, as I said earlier, I already did the BFO checks on P. 11. That?s all the transmitter checks I thought you meant for me to do. Are you saying now to continue with all the checks AFTER the BFO checks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I apologize for the long email but I am anal about communication and need to be sure I?m doing what you intend for me to do. :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike NJ2OM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2020, at 4:08 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?Mike,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do DC voltage checks on Q24.  Make certain you were in CAL FCTR while checking the RF voltage, otherwise the Q24 drain voltage will be small.  Once you resolve that, you can skip to page 11 and do the Transmit Signal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tracing.  Make certain you put a .001uF capacitor between pins 7 and 12 of J11.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/14/2020 3:12 PM, Mike Kopacki wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did all the transmitter signal tracing steps, step 1 through 13.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Step 5 sends you to the Receiver Signal Tracing procedure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did all 10 steps of the Receiver preparation and all 5 steps of the PLL reference oscillator and VCO procedures.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I then did the 4 steps of the BFO procedure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of all the steps mentioned above, the only one that I could not get the expected value was step 3 of the BFO procedure - BFO Buffer Output. The expected value range is listed as 0.025-0.070 Vrms.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That?s 25mV - 70mV.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My reading was less than 1mV - .000-.001.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I?m assuming that I checked it correctly. I had no problems checking all the steps, except for U4 pin1 which was very difficult to get to because of the two pc boards above U4 that are attached to the control board.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike NJ2OM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2020, at 1:40 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?Mike,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can skip most of the RX tracing, but do verify that the VFO and BFO are working correctly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The 5v and 8v regulators are on the control board - lower right corner with the front of the K2 facing you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/14/2020 1:22 PM, Mike Kopacki wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Step 5 of the transmitter signal tracing process says to go back and do all the receiver signal tracing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Should I do all that?  Step 2 of that process says to check the 5v and 8v regulator outputs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don?t know what that refers to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike NJ2OM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2020, at 11:08 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?Mike,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The jumpers can be bent wire - they go into pins 1 and 3 - the outer pins of the header.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/14/2020 8:57 AM, Mike Kopacki wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first step in signal tracing is to remove the KSB2 board and install jumpers at J9 & J10.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What does that mean?  They both have 3 pins. Where do the jumpers go?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike NJ2OM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 2020, at 5:37 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?Mike,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you are seeing a .5 volt drop at the low current for receive, check the connections to the power supply.  Make sure all connections are tight - finger tight is not good enough.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am sure there is much more drop in transmit and a likely reason for the 160m HiCur.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The way the K2 controls power, if the voltage is low, more current must be drawn to maintain the proper power output.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, do the steps in the Transmit Signal Tracing.  Do it first on 40 meters, like the manual says (it will likely be OK), but then repeat on one of the bands giving lower output than the requested power setting.  You will have to set the power above the actual power output, do it so you will be able to see the failure point.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/13/2020 4:44 PM, Mike Kopacki wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CAL CUR has always been set to 3.5.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> L1 and L2 on the 160m board have the correct number of turns.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I checked RFC3, 11, 14 & 16. All have the correct number of turns and continuity (checked from the non-component side of the board).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Supply voltage is 13.82. Voltage at the end of the P/S cable Is 13.82.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> K2 shows 13.3v in receive mode. Is this a clue?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no change in power output on the higher bands.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found a procedure called ?Preparation for Transmitter Signal Tracing? in Appendix E.  I will start on that next.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike NJ2OM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 2020, at 3:19 PM, Mike Kopacki <mikekopacki at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?I touched up the solder on RFC3 although I didn?t think that was the problem because I measured 7.84v from the gate of Q2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a new problem - when I removed the bottom panel so I could resolver RFC3, a 1/4? black washer fell out from somewhere. I?ve been through the parts list several times but don?t see it listed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to put the bottom rear panel back on but I?m hesitating because if the washer issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike NJ2OM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 12, 2020, at 7:48 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?Mike,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is great!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Set CAL CUR to 3.5 amps.  It takes a bit more than 2.5 amps on 160 meters, the HiCur should go away.  If it does not, check the Low Pass Filter on the K160RX board - count the toroid turns carefully.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The falloff of power output on bands 20 meters and up is likely a fault in the T/R switch - refer to the schematic and check each of the RFCs for continuity.  In particular, check RFC3 (a toroid) for good leads that are well soldered - you should see a bit of tinned wire on the toroid side of the board.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you cannot find the problem, you will have to do the Transmit Signal Tracing listed in appendix E of the manual. Use 15 meters instead of the 40 meters recommended.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When you find the actual RF voltage is substantially less than the Expected value, you have found the failing stage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the K2 cannot develop full power output, you can ignore the RF voltages that are greater than the Expected value.  The low power stages will increase the drive to try to increase the output - that is normal behavior.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/11/2020 1:27 PM, Mike Kopacki wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After a lot of realigning, I believe I?ve gotten it back to where it was before I started working on it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With a requested power of 10.0, these are the current Po readings according to the K2?s internal wattmeter when read in the TUNE mode:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Band  Po
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10       2.7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12       3.3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 15       4.3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 17       5.3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20      8.3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 30     10.0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 40     10.0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 80     10.5
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 160   HiCur
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike NJ2OM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 11, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Mike Kopacki <mikekopacki at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?I have disconnected the top cover of the K2 and gone through the bandpass filter alignments.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It?s a frustrating exercise because the values never remain consistent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For example, using 40 meters as an example, I adjust L1 and the K2 wattmeter shows a power out of 2.7.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then I go to adjust L2, but when I enter TUNE mode, the wattmeter reads now 2.1. So I adjust L2 to it?s highest value, say 2.4.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I go back to adjust L1 again and enter TUNE, it reads 2.0.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I am constantly adjusting for Max output, only to find the value that I just reached to be different when I adjust the next inductor (or capacitor).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very frustrating.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, the power out drifts upwards as long as it is in TUNE mode. So it might be 2.1 when I start tuning, but 10 seconds later it might be 2.7.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which value is the correct one?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike NJ2OM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 10, 2020, at 6:04 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?Mike,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I thought you had the top cover off the base K2 and all cables to the top cover disconnected.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is normally the best way to get to the components on the RF board for measurement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What you describe is normal if you have the KAT2 (or KPA100) installed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Put it in that configuration for troubleshooting, and the BNC connector on the lower panel is the proper place to connect the dummy load for testing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once the problem with the base K2 has been resolved, you can go back to the normal configuration.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/10/2020 5:36 PM, Mike Kopacki wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don I am back at it. You said to connect the dummy to the BNC connector on the back of the K2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are 3 BNC connectors- ant1, ant2 and the 50 ohm ant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ask because I get what appears to be normal wattmeter readings when I connect to ant1 but the wattmeter pegs at max range when connected to the 50 ohm BNC connector.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike NJ2OM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 2020, at 2:03 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?Mike,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That indicates RFC3 is OK.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2020 1:51 PM, Mike Kopacki wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q2?s gate measures 7.84V to ground.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike NJ2OM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:14 PM, Mike Kopacki <mikekopacki at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?No. My dummy load is not good,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found out. I just ordered a new one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike NJ2OM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 9:56 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?Mike,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you operating into a good 50 ohm dummy load - connected to the base K2 BNC jack with the KPA100 physically removed?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If not, that may be the reason for the HiCur messages.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2020 8:18 PM, Mike Kopacki wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep I know the HiCur means a problem. But I didn?t have that message before. I was able to rotate the power knob all the way and get 12.2 out. So I can?t understand why the problem only occurred after I start realignment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I followed the steps - in order - from the manual.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found RFC3 and Q2. Which pin is referred to as the gate - emitter, base or collector?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike NJ2OM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 7:32 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?Mike,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The HiCur messages say that you have some other problem in that K2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You should do all the tuning in TUNE mode (which is CW transmit). If you cannot see a peak on the power output, use an RF Probe placed at W6 and tune for maximum RF voltage.  For that, you can set the power to zero.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you do the bandpass filter alignment only in transmit?  If you tried it in receive first, that may have thrown you off - use transmit, it is more obvious when the peak occurs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Align 40 meters first, then 80 (and 160 if you have the K160RX option - you may have to compromise between the inductor settings for the 2 bands).  Then align the inductors for 30 meters, then the capacitor trimmers for 20m.  Then adjust the inductors for 15 meters, and the trimmer capacitors for 17 meters.  Lastly, align the inductors for 10 meters, and then the trimmer capacitors for 12 meters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Failure to follow that band order (inductors first, then trimmer capacitors) will result in failure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RFC3 is located quite near the rear panel toward the right as you look with the front panel facing you.  You can check for a bad RFC3 by measuring the voltage at the gate of Q2 during receive - it should be near 8 volts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2020 5:34 PM, Mike Kopacki wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don, it?s been a helluva afternoon. I realigned the band pass filters, following the K2 manual.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ended up losing max output on all bands.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For example, prior to realigning I was able to get 12.2w out on 40 meters when I adjusted the power knob to 15.2 watts. Now, I can?t get past 8.7 without getting a high current message.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also I couldn?t find RFC3.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was a lot of years ago that I built the K2 but I don?t remember having this much problem with the alignments. Each time I adjust L1 or L2, when I tune again the output is different. It?s never where I left it after the last adjustment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I?ve had enough for today. I?ll pick it up tomorrow although I don?t know what to do differently.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike NJ2OM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 3:03 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?Mike,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have seen a few K2s that have power falloff at 20 meters and above due to a broken lead on RFC3.  Check yours to make certain both leads have been well stripped and soldered - you should see a bit of tinned wire above the board.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2020 1:19 PM, Mike Kopacki wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don, I decided to check the maximum power output before making any changes to the band pass filters. I got the following results:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Band   Po (watts)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10m - 2.2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12m - 3.1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 15m - 4.4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 17m - 5.6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20m - 7.2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 30m - 13.2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 40m - 12.2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 80m - 12.2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does this indicate that the band pass filters for 10-20 meters need to be realigned?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will review the K2 manual on how to do that while I wait for your answer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if I haven?t said it yet, I can?t thank you enough for helping. It?s great to have someone who?s ?in the know? when you need help!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike NJ2OM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 11:55 AM, Mike Kopacki <mikekopacki at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?Don, it looks like you replied only to me. I was getting concerned about all the other replies and really only want to work with you to resolve the issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If that?s ok, we?ll continue with private emails. When it?s all over, I will update the group.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike NJ2OM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 11:31 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?Mike,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Methodical testing done properly will reveal the source of your problem.  Much better than guessing and trying to do things out of order.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, completely remove the KPA100.  Unplug the cables and set it aside.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, the bandpass filters are on the RF board.  Do check the alignment at 2 watts output - be certain to follow the band order listed in the manual.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then check to be sure the maximum power is at least 10 watts on all bands - if not, find the problem.  The actual maximum power may go as high as 15 watts - record the power for each band.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then put the KPA100 back on and with power applied to the base K2 only, check the power output from the KPA100 ANT jack.  It should be almost the same as you recorded with the base K2 only.  If not, you have a problem in the KPA100 Low Pass Filter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If that is all good, the base K2 should drive the KPA100 to at least 100 watts output (into a dummy load) if your power supply voltage is at least 12.6 volts during transmit (as displayed by the K2).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you show less than 12.6 volts on the K2 display, then check your power supply and the connecting power cable at full transmit power.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2020 8:34 AM, Mike Kopacki wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don, this is what you sent earlier:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?If the power supply voltage is not the problem, then remove the KPA100 from the base K2 and realign the bandpass filters.  Connect a dummy load to the base K2 BNC ANT jack.  After that, check the maximum power from the base K2 - you should have at least 10 watts on each band.  Record the power for each band.?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To be clear, are you saying to disconnect all 3 connections between the K2 and the KPA-100?  If there is 10+ watts out on each band, do I need to realign the band pass filters?  And I assume those would be on the K2-RF board, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike NJ2OM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> 

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jul 26 13:25:49 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 13:25:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] sidetone problem
In-Reply-To: <CABA2KTEczrmyWgdS6wS7RM7VM=wwLagGv_iQYrUWSL3Lf=c8cw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABA2KTEY47YXgKoJtJv3Xw1Lwyz9=MKUEK3uCSETBHorOA3Luw@mail.gmail.com>
	<a086ae2d-ff56-601f-fea7-fe016efd286e@embarqmail.com>
	<CABA2KTEczrmyWgdS6wS7RM7VM=wwLagGv_iQYrUWSL3Lf=c8cw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a12afd0e-3a73-58a5-bd26-aae391ff0e0e@embarqmail.com>

Cris,

In that case, you have firmware 2.04R which locks the sidetone source at 
U8-4.
Is your K2 Serial number below 3000?? If so you must do the sidetone 
source wiring changes as shown in the KIO2 or KPA100 manual.

If SN3000 or above, you have a problem that needs to be found.? Do you 
have an oscilloscope to aid in troubleshooting?

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/26/2020 12:18 PM, Christophe aufacf wrote:
> hello sorry for the delay,
> I didn't have the time, look at the lack of time
>
> stl regler 030, I press on display I have U8-4 but impossible to switch to U8-25
>
> thank you for your opinion
>
> thank you again for your precious help
>
> 73 , Cris F8ACF
>
> Le lun. 20 juil. 2020 ? 22:56, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> a ?crit :
>> Christophe,
>>
>> You likely do not have the proper sidetone source selected.
>> Go to the STL menu and set the parameter to about 30 - then tap DISPLAY
>> to toggle between U6-25 and U8-4.  Stop when you hear sidetone and exit
>> the menu.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 7/20/2020 3:50 PM, Christophe aufacf wrote:
>>> Good morning all ,
>>>
>>> I repaired my K2 with Don recently the problem now
>>>
>>> I realized that I can handle in Cw but I no longer have at the same
>>> time the sound of the CW of course in emission
>>>
>>> the STL 030 menu, whatever the level, nothing changes, any idea?
>>>
>
>


From byron at n6nul.org  Sun Jul 26 13:49:22 2020
From: byron at n6nul.org (Byron Servies)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 10:49:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Earpads Shedding
In-Reply-To: <1D4D619C-2BD9-4227-A3F6-A2FDB0CE6BFD@me.com>
References: <1D4D619C-2BD9-4227-A3F6-A2FDB0CE6BFD@me.com>
Message-ID: <CANB4+4GGY4GBC6TEJVbMO1gVHr38CfMyQqa0oJw52bK=sKfRLA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I bought a set of these for my oldest set of CM500's and they are very
comfortable. Thanks for the suggestion.

73, Byron N6NUL

On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 11:33 AM Tom Morehouse via Elecraft
<elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
> Here?s my solution:
> Garfield Headphone Softie Earpad Covers (Black, Pair) $17.00
>
>
> from B&H: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/368310-REG/Garfield_SGARHS1_Headphone_Softie_Earpad.html <https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/368310-REG/Garfield_SGARHS1_Headphone_Softie_Earpad.html>
>
> Works well?
> 73
>
> Tom K4AEN
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From sashangus at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 26 14:26:38 2020
From: sashangus at yahoo.com (Robert Brown)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 14:26:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS - 13 kHz FM filter for K3 / K3s
References: <CF1E3BF7-A333-4C2B-8AE0-A31417355F34.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CF1E3BF7-A333-4C2B-8AE0-A31417355F34@yahoo.com>

Excellent condition Elecraft / Inrad FM filter for K3 / K3s, $110/shipped.  Bob Brown,  N1CVX

Sent from my iPad

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Jul 26 14:36:33 2020
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 11:36:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
In-Reply-To: <bb43219b-5efa-8b56-81fb-1b6d623e2d7a@coho.net>
References: <bb43219b-5efa-8b56-81fb-1b6d623e2d7a@coho.net>
Message-ID: <d5ed74f4-c4d3-06a0-1aa4-201ec9f2ec5e@foothill.net>

Ground Plane?

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/25/2020 8:20 PM, kevinr wrote:
>
>
> ?? An antenna design is stuck in my head.? It consists of three legs, 
> each 1/4 wavelength long.? One leg is vertical while the two radials 
> are 120 degrees below it.? The two radials are connected electrically 
> while the vertical leg is fed separately.? If it had more radials it 
> would be called a 1/4 wave vertical.? But the one stuck in my head has 
> elevated radials and only two of them.? I cannot remember what this 
> antenna is called.? I know 'inverted Y antenna' doesn't work as a 
> search term.? Does anyone know what this is usually called so I can 
> use a better search string?? The low take off angle would be nice.? It 
> looks like a 20 or 40 meter version would be easy to build and raise.


From hdv at kpnplanet.nl  Sun Jul 26 14:55:38 2020
From: hdv at kpnplanet.nl (Henk de Vries)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 18:55:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s: microphone connector 8V current
Message-ID: <547D618FCEC1E4A6.549a3161-b60a-404d-8e31-20ae0abaa49d@mail.outlook.com>

Hi all,
At the K3s microphone connector the 8V output (pin 6) is specified at 10 mA max.However a UA78M08CDC voltage regulator - which is directly connected to +12V - provides the voltage/current to this pin.The UA78M08CDC is specified at 500 mA max.
Is there any reason why a current of approx. 50 mA could not be drawn from pin 6?
73?HenkPA0C
Henk

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jul 26 14:57:55 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 14:57:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
In-Reply-To: <d5ed74f4-c4d3-06a0-1aa4-201ec9f2ec5e@foothill.net>
References: <bb43219b-5efa-8b56-81fb-1b6d623e2d7a@coho.net>
	<d5ed74f4-c4d3-06a0-1aa4-201ec9f2ec5e@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <0dda4f52-a566-4637-a123-62f58c740738@embarqmail.com>

Fred,

That would be correct if they are oriented at 180 degrees from each 
other so as to cancel the horizontal radiation.  Elevated radials must 
be tuned to be effective, but only 2 are needed.  How much tuning will 
depend on the height above ground.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/26/2020 2:36 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> Ground Plane?
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
> On 7/25/2020 8:20 PM, kevinr wrote:
>>
>>
>> ?? An antenna design is stuck in my head.? It consists of three legs, 
>> each 1/4 wavelength long.? One leg is vertical while the two radials 
>> are 120 degrees below it.? The two radials are connected electrically 
>> while the vertical leg is fed separately.? If it had more radials it 
>> would be called a 1/4 wave vertical.? But the one stuck in my head has 
>> elevated radials and only two of them.? I cannot remember what this 
>> antenna is called.? I know 'inverted Y antenna' doesn't work as a 
>> search term.? Does anyone know what this is usually called so I can 
>> use a better search string?? The low take off angle would be nice.? It 
>> looks like a 20 or 40 meter version would be easy to build and raise.
> 

From maxrcul at gmail.com  Sun Jul 26 15:39:51 2020
From: maxrcul at gmail.com (Bill DeVore)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 15:39:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S in QRP mode
Message-ID: <E6E1399C-CBC7-4342-9AAD-EB8D8477C512@gmail.com>

I recently did a Parameter Initialization on my K3S. I didn?t save the current firmware configuration as I?ve never done any custom programming on the radio.

After performing the initialization, a full rotation of the Power knob only goes from 0 to a maximum of 12 w on any band. Prior to the initialization of the rig, I could adjust power all the way to a max of 110w on each band.

Did the initialization set the rig in QRP mode? I sure hope there?s a configuration menu somewhere that I can change to get the radio back to full power.

Bill - W3PNM

From g4gnx at g4gnx.com  Sun Jul 26 15:43:54 2020
From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (Alan - G4GNX)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 19:43:54 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S in QRP mode
In-Reply-To: <E6E1399C-CBC7-4342-9AAD-EB8D8477C512@gmail.com>
References: <E6E1399C-CBC7-4342-9AAD-EB8D8477C512@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <em5307e345-d5f1-4c34-8534-5e68b9a0fc6c@g4gnx>

The setting for the PA module is probably re-set to NOT INSTALLED.

73,

Alan. G4GNX


------ Original Message ------
From: "Bill DeVore" <maxrcul at gmail.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Sent: 26/07/2020 20:39:51
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S in QRP mode

>I recently did a Parameter Initialization on my K3S. I didn?t save the current firmware configuration as I?ve never done any custom programming on the radio.
>
>After performing the initialization, a full rotation of the Power knob only goes from 0 to a maximum of 12 w on any band. Prior to the initialization of the rig, I could adjust power all the way to a max of 110w on each band.
>
>Did the initialization set the rig in QRP mode? I sure hope there?s a configuration menu somewhere that I can change to get the radio back to full power.
>
>Bill - W3PNM
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From jimk0xu at gmail.com  Sun Jul 26 15:43:48 2020
From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 14:43:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S in QRP mode
In-Reply-To: <E6E1399C-CBC7-4342-9AAD-EB8D8477C512@gmail.com>
References: <E6E1399C-CBC7-4342-9AAD-EB8D8477C512@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4Y3pO_Qx79ekGra1BRTapbmGCNoto_KF9MJTTdGfWuipw@mail.gmail.com>

Check that the KPA3 is turned on to "nor" in the config menu. (Just don't
ask me how I know.)


On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 2:41 PM Bill DeVore <maxrcul at gmail.com> wrote:

> I recently did a Parameter Initialization on my K3S. I didn?t save the
> current firmware configuration as I?ve never done any custom programming on
> the radio.
>
> After performing the initialization, a full rotation of the Power knob
> only goes from 0 to a maximum of 12 w on any band. Prior to the
> initialization of the rig, I could adjust power all the way to a max of
> 110w on each band.
>
> Did the initialization set the rig in QRP mode? I sure hope there?s a
> configuration menu somewhere that I can change to get the radio back to
> full power.
>
> Bill - W3PNM
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From dick at elecraft.com  Sun Jul 26 16:02:28 2020
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 13:02:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S in QRP mode
In-Reply-To: <E6E1399C-CBC7-4342-9AAD-EB8D8477C512@gmail.com>
References: <E6E1399C-CBC7-4342-9AAD-EB8D8477C512@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B622C69B-A65D-4534-8269-A5854980BFAF@elecraft.com>

Parameter init sets the configuration to a default setting, which discards the configuration of optional modules, including KPA3 and all installed crystal filters.  These can all be changed with either a front panel config menu choice, some find it easier to use the K3 Utility for crystal filter setup.  
Your owners manual has details on the config menu choices. You may need to remove the top cover if you don?t recall what filters are installed; frequently there is a paper sticker on the inside of the top cover that helps.

Elecraft may be able to provide a config save file taken when the radio was constructed, if it came as a factory unit.  
Contact support with your radio?s serial number.

73 de Dick, K6KR

> On Jul 26, 2020, at 12:42, Bill DeVore <maxrcul at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I recently did a Parameter Initialization on my K3S. I didn?t save the current firmware configuration as I?ve never done any custom programming on the radio.
> 
> After performing the initialization, a full rotation of the Power knob only goes from 0 to a maximum of 12 w on any band. Prior to the initialization of the rig, I could adjust power all the way to a max of 110w on each band.
> 
> Did the initialization set the rig in QRP mode? I sure hope there?s a configuration menu somewhere that I can change to get the radio back to full power.
> 
> Bill - W3PNM
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From w5sum at comcast.net  Sun Jul 26 15:17:56 2020
From: w5sum at comcast.net (Ronnie Hull)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 14:17:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 2M Module for K3
Message-ID: <A8B33C21-3C32-479B-A84F-5F0E07407C0F@comcast.net>


Howdy y?all
I?m still looking for a 2M module for my K3 if anyone has one and other? What? Stabilizer or some such that goes with the 2M module do you can use it on CW and SSB

Thanks
Ronnie W5SUM

W5sum at comcast.net
Sent from my iPhone

From gkidder at ilstu.edu  Sun Jul 26 16:33:04 2020
From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (George Kidder)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 16:33:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
In-Reply-To: <d5ed74f4-c4d3-06a0-1aa4-201ec9f2ec5e@foothill.net>
References: <bb43219b-5efa-8b56-81fb-1b6d623e2d7a@coho.net>
	<d5ed74f4-c4d3-06a0-1aa4-201ec9f2ec5e@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <c472c7d7-e649-434a-afd1-92e8040def4a@ilstu.edu>

I use one just like this on 30M, and have always thought of it as a 
ground plane.? The drooping radials give a good match to 50 ohms.

73 - George, W3HBM

On 7/26/2020 2:36 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> [This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to 
> abuse at ilstu.edu<mailto:abuse at ilstu.edu>]
>
> Ground Plane?
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> On 7/25/2020 8:20 PM, kevinr wrote:
>>
>>
>> ?? An antenna design is stuck in my head.? It consists of three legs,
>> each 1/4 wavelength long.? One leg is vertical while the two radials
>> are 120 degrees below it.? The two radials are connected electrically
>> while the vertical leg is fed separately.? If it had more radials it
>> would be called a 1/4 wave vertical.? But the one stuck in my head has
>> elevated radials and only two of them.? I cannot remember what this
>> antenna is called.? I know 'inverted Y antenna' doesn't work as a
>> search term.? Does anyone know what this is usually called so I can
>> use a better search string?? The low take off angle would be nice.? It
>> looks like a 20 or 40 meter version would be easy to build and raise.
>
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sun Jul 26 17:40:50 2020
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 17:40:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s: microphone connector 8V current
In-Reply-To: <547D618FCEC1E4A6.549a3161-b60a-404d-8e31-20ae0abaa49d@mail.outlook.com>
References: <547D618FCEC1E4A6.549a3161-b60a-404d-8e31-20ae0abaa49d@mail.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <D9B87DEF-3239-4C3E-8599-8DC679A5ECA4@widomaker.com>

What are you going to use this  voltage for? I think it?s for a mic preamp. It is not the source of bias for an electret mic. That comes on the mic pin when turned On in the menu. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 26, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Henk de Vries <hdv at kpnplanet.nl> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi all,
> At the K3s microphone connector the 8V output (pin 6) is specified at 10 mA max.However a UA78M08CDC voltage regulator - which is directly connected to +12V - provides the voltage/current to this pin.The UA78M08CDC is specified at 500 mA max.
> Is there any reason why a current of approx. 50 mA could not be drawn from pin 6?
> 73 HenkPA0C
> Henk
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sun Jul 26 17:48:28 2020
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 17:48:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S in QRP mode
In-Reply-To: <E6E1399C-CBC7-4342-9AAD-EB8D8477C512@gmail.com>
References: <E6E1399C-CBC7-4342-9AAD-EB8D8477C512@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8EAF96A-1D3C-43EE-B929-A317806FCE44@widomaker.com>

It set it back to bare min CONFIG. Uninstalling all you installed options. You have on filter, no KPA3, no ATU, etc. download the kit assembly manual from Elecraft and go thru the Unstallation of each option. 

I don?t know why owners jump to a EEINIT to solve problems.  There are less distructive ways. Starting with restoring a saved good CONFIG file

And reloading latest firmware. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 26, 2020, at 3:42 PM, Bill DeVore <maxrcul at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I recently did a Parameter Initialization on my K3S. I didn?t save the current firmware configuration as I?ve never done any custom programming on the radio.
> 
> After performing the initialization, a full rotation of the Power knob only goes from 0 to a maximum of 12 w on any band. Prior to the initialization of the rig, I could adjust power all the way to a max of 110w on each band.
> 
> Did the initialization set the rig in QRP mode? I sure hope there?s a configuration menu somewhere that I can change to get the radio back to full power.
> 
> Bill - W3PNM
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From rick.nk7i at gmail.com  Sun Jul 26 18:38:23 2020
From: rick.nk7i at gmail.com (Rick NK7I)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 15:38:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
In-Reply-To: <0dda4f52-a566-4637-a123-62f58c740738@embarqmail.com>
References: <bb43219b-5efa-8b56-81fb-1b6d623e2d7a@coho.net>
	<d5ed74f4-c4d3-06a0-1aa4-201ec9f2ec5e@foothill.net>
	<0dda4f52-a566-4637-a123-62f58c740738@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <aba771f7-0583-f722-7f16-27f9a599573a@gmail.com>

The reading I've done says only one radial is required; that the 
'favoring' in the direction of the radial is not enough to be worried 
about; that there is no cancellation from opposing (or just more) 
radials.? I have used a single radial ground plane and found this to be 
true (at 6' over dirt on 80M).? It favors a morning net 800 miles away, 
yet worked DX in any other direction easily (then I moved to a rotating 
dipole at 60' which beats it out).? That ground plane easily beat out a 
horizontal dipole I used before them all (fixed, in the 'wrong' angle 
because of tree location).

Both the radiator and radial are tuned (equally), but the angle of 
difference from dipole to the traditional 90 deg ground plane will cause 
the resistance to vary (roughly 72 ohms as a dipole, dropping to ~50 
ohms when at 90 degrees),? So if another angle is chosen (inverted Y), 
to match a 50 ohm feedline (to have a 1:1 SWR), the element lengths are 
adjusted equally until that match is made; altering the resonance of the 
wires (maximum transfer of energy).? And inverted Y antenna would be 
between that 50-72 ohm range, still acceptably low SWR to not mess with.

Which again, is not a significant variance, so put it up, try it out and 
compare to other antennas.? Wire is cheap enough to play with and try 
things out.

Modeling will demonstrate the pattern and 'take off' angles quite 
clearly; reality is often different because of local objects, ground 
resistance, height...

Don't forget to add a common mode current choke at the feed.

73,
Rick NK7I



On 7/26/2020 11:57 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Fred,
>
> That would be correct if they are oriented at 180 degrees from each 
> other so as to cancel the horizontal radiation.? Elevated radials must 
> be tuned to be effective, but only 2 are needed.? How much tuning will 
> depend on the height above ground.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/26/2020 2:36 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>> Ground Plane?
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>>
>> On 7/25/2020 8:20 PM, kevinr wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> ?? An antenna design is stuck in my head.? It consists of three 
>>> legs, each 1/4 wavelength long.? One leg is vertical while the two 
>>> radials are 120 degrees below it.? The two radials are connected 
>>> electrically while the vertical leg is fed separately.? If it had 
>>> more radials it would be called a 1/4 wave vertical.? But the one 
>>> stuck in my head has elevated radials and only two of them.? I 
>>> cannot remember what this antenna is called.? I know 'inverted Y 
>>> antenna' doesn't work as a search term.? Does anyone know what this 
>>> is usually called so I can use a better search string?? The low take 
>>> off angle would be nice.? It looks like a 20 or 40 meter version 
>>> would be easy to build and raise.
>>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From w1srd at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 26 19:01:06 2020
From: w1srd at yahoo.com (Steve Dyer W1SRD)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 16:01:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Radiosport MH-350ADJ with K2?
References: <52adce1f-974b-e15b-3605-872f564edd82.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <52adce1f-974b-e15b-3605-872f564edd82@yahoo.com>

Is anyone using this mic element with the K2? If so, what size resistor 
did you use between MIC pin 1 and 6?
TU/73,
Steve
W1SRD

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jul 26 19:39:08 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 19:39:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Radiosport MH-350ADJ with K2?
In-Reply-To: <52adce1f-974b-e15b-3605-872f564edd82@yahoo.com>
References: <52adce1f-974b-e15b-3605-872f564edd82.ref@yahoo.com>
	<52adce1f-974b-e15b-3605-872f564edd82@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <df5f7976-8242-4d5b-9127-1700e1b48fa9@embarqmail.com>

Steve,

I am not familiar with that particular mic element, but --

If that is a dynamic mic element, no resistor should be used.
If it is an electret type, the normal 5.6k resistor should work fine, it 
is not critical - anything between 5.6k and 10k will do fine.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/26/2020 7:01 PM, Steve Dyer W1SRD via Elecraft wrote:
> Is anyone using this mic element with the K2? If so, what size resistor 
> did you use between MIC pin 1 and 6?

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jul 26 19:46:42 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 19:46:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s: microphone connector 8V current
In-Reply-To: <D9B87DEF-3239-4C3E-8599-8DC679A5ECA4@widomaker.com>
References: <547D618FCEC1E4A6.549a3161-b60a-404d-8e31-20ae0abaa49d@mail.outlook.com>
	<D9B87DEF-3239-4C3E-8599-8DC679A5ECA4@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <e5e3af0e-2ad5-7de2-6f62-ce252f2ccee4@embarqmail.com>

Henk,

If indeed it is for a mic preamp, then try it without the preamp.  The 
K3S has 2 stages of mic AF gain.  Normal for the usual ham mics, and a 
Hi level for low gain mic elements.

You must turn on bias to have the 8 volts appear at the mic jack.  Do 
not use with direct connection of a dynamic mic - it makes the mic 
'sound funny'.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/26/2020 5:40 PM, Nr4c wrote:
> What are you going to use this  voltage for? I think it?s for a mic preamp. It is not the source of bias for an electret mic. That comes on the mic pin when turned On in the menu.
> 

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sun Jul 26 20:05:10 2020
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 20:05:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s: microphone connector 8V current
In-Reply-To: <e5e3af0e-2ad5-7de2-6f62-ce252f2ccee4@embarqmail.com>
References: <547D618FCEC1E4A6.549a3161-b60a-404d-8e31-20ae0abaa49d@mail.outlook.com>
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	<e5e3af0e-2ad5-7de2-6f62-ce252f2ccee4@embarqmail.com>
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I have the same question about the current available for the 8V at the mic connector.  Is it limited to 10ma, or will it actually support a somewhat higher continuous current draw safely.  Not just for the k3, but also the K4.

Grant NQ5T


> On Jul 26, 2020, at 7:46 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Henk,
> 
> If indeed it is for a mic preamp, then try it without the preamp.  The K3S has 2 stages of mic AF gain.  Normal for the usual ham mics, and a Hi level for low gain mic elements.
> 
> You must turn on bias to have the 8 volts appear at the mic jack.  Do not use with direct connection of a dynamic mic - it makes the mic 'sound funny'.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 7/26/2020 5:40 PM, Nr4c wrote:
>> What are you going to use this  voltage for? I think it?s for a mic preamp. It is not the source of bias for an electret mic. That comes on the mic pin when turned On in the menu.
> ______________________________________________________________


From b.denley at comcast.net  Sun Jul 26 20:21:22 2020
From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 20:21:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Radiosport MH-350ADJ with K2?
In-Reply-To: <df5f7976-8242-4d5b-9127-1700e1b48fa9@embarqmail.com>
References: <df5f7976-8242-4d5b-9127-1700e1b48fa9@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <A5BCA5E9-A117-48E3-A05B-6001BAAC2364@comcast.net>

It?s a electret condenser mike element and requires bias 5.6-10k resister as Don says.

Brian Denley
KB1VBF
Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 26, 2020, at 7:40 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Steve,
> 
> I am not familiar with that particular mic element, but --
> 
> If that is a dynamic mic element, no resistor should be used.
> If it is an electret type, the normal 5.6k resistor should work fine, it is not critical - anything between 5.6k and 10k will do fine.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 7/26/2020 7:01 PM, Steve Dyer W1SRD via Elecraft wrote:
>> Is anyone using this mic element with the K2? If so, what size resistor did you use between MIC pin 1 and 6?
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jul 26 20:21:48 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 20:21:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s: microphone connector 8V current
In-Reply-To: <68996FD2-AFCF-4659-B45D-E5164CD62A1F@gmail.com>
References: <547D618FCEC1E4A6.549a3161-b60a-404d-8e31-20ae0abaa49d@mail.outlook.com>
	<D9B87DEF-3239-4C3E-8599-8DC679A5ECA4@widomaker.com>
	<e5e3af0e-2ad5-7de2-6f62-ce252f2ccee4@embarqmail.com>
	<68996FD2-AFCF-4659-B45D-E5164CD62A1F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0d07f264-65ba-3d12-2c9f-e9bd924d0784@embarqmail.com>

Grant,

The MH2/MH4 mic does not use the 8 volts directly - there is a resistor 
between the 8 volt supply and the AF line,
and that is where the 10ma is used to power the electret elemant.
The 10 ma. used by the microphone has nothing to do with the total 
current available from pin 6.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/26/2020 8:05 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:
> I have the same question about the current available for the 8V at the mic connector.  Is it limited to 10ma, or will it actually support a somewhat higher continuous current draw safely.  Not just for the k3, but also the K4.
>
> Grant NQ5T
>
>
>> On Jul 26, 2020, at 7:46 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Henk,
>>
>> If indeed it is for a mic preamp, then try it without the preamp.  The K3S has 2 stages of mic AF gain.  Normal for the usual ham mics, and a Hi level for low gain mic elements.
>>
>> You must turn on bias to have the 8 volts appear at the mic jack.  Do not use with direct connection of a dynamic mic - it makes the mic 'sound funny'.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 7/26/2020 5:40 PM, Nr4c wrote:
>>> What are you going to use this  voltage for? I think it?s for a mic preamp. It is not the source of bias for an electret mic. That comes on the mic pin when turned On in the menu.
>> ______________________________________________________________


From gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 26 21:16:04 2020
From: gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com (eric norris)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 01:16:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Pelican case for K3?
References: <23175258.7495059.1595812564777.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <23175258.7495059.1595812564777@mail.yahoo.com>

Does anybody know what model Pelican case is the best fit for a K3?? Thanks!

73, Eric WD6DBM

From k1xx at k1xx.com  Sun Jul 26 21:26:00 2020
From: k1xx at k1xx.com (charlie carroll)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 21:26:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Pelican case for K3?
In-Reply-To: <23175258.7495059.1595812564777@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <23175258.7495059.1595812564777.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<23175258.7495059.1595812564777@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e4362e9d-739a-d8b8-8835-065aeb3a13d8@k1xx.com>

Eric:
I use a 1560.? It handles the K3, a paddle, power supply, with some 
space left over for cables and misc. other stuff.

73 charlie, k1xx

On 7/26/2020 9:16 PM, eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
> Does anybody know what model Pelican case is the best fit for a K3?? Thanks!
>
> 73, Eric WD6DBM
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From lashap at cox.net  Sun Jul 26 21:31:26 2020
From: lashap at cox.net (Larry Shapiro)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 18:31:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Pelican case for K3?
In-Reply-To: <e4362e9d-739a-d8b8-8835-065aeb3a13d8@k1xx.com>
References: <23175258.7495059.1595812564777.ref@mail.yahoo.com><23175258.7495059.1595812564777@mail.yahoo.com>
	<e4362e9d-739a-d8b8-8835-065aeb3a13d8@k1xx.com>
Message-ID: <1795C2D7F290439385620F6A586FF0F8@LarryPC>

Harbor Freight now makes a copy of the Pelican.

Apache 5800.
About half the price.
You will love it,
Larry K6ro


-----Original Message----- 
From: charlie carroll
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 6:26 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Pelican case for K3?

Eric:
I use a 1560.  It handles the K3, a paddle, power supply, with some
space left over for cables and misc. other stuff.

73 charlie, k1xx

On 7/26/2020 9:16 PM, eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
> Does anybody know what model Pelican case is the best fit for a K3? 
> Thanks!
>
> 73, Eric WD6DBM
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From sashangus at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 26 21:56:22 2020
From: sashangus at yahoo.com (Robert Brown)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 21:56:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS - 13 kHz FM filter for K3 / K3s - SOLD!
References: <0CB71C3D-8593-44A3-A8D7-6C5B96A77413.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0CB71C3D-8593-44A3-A8D7-6C5B96A77413@yahoo.com>

Thanks to all who inquired.

Bob Brown, N1CVX 

Sent from my iPad

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sun Jul 26 22:17:28 2020
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 22:17:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s: microphone connector 8V current
In-Reply-To: <0d07f264-65ba-3d12-2c9f-e9bd924d0784@embarqmail.com>
References: <547D618FCEC1E4A6.549a3161-b60a-404d-8e31-20ae0abaa49d@mail.outlook.com>
	<D9B87DEF-3239-4C3E-8599-8DC679A5ECA4@widomaker.com>
	<e5e3af0e-2ad5-7de2-6f62-ce252f2ccee4@embarqmail.com>
	<68996FD2-AFCF-4659-B45D-E5164CD62A1F@gmail.com>
	<0d07f264-65ba-3d12-2c9f-e9bd924d0784@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <ECF3C702-B7DC-4571-8E3C-A76FADFAB5FB@gmail.com>

i?m not interesting in using the 8V line for mic element bias.  That was someone else.  My application is to power an external device between a mic and a K3/K4 from that line.  

I can, of course, use a battery.  But it would be much simpler if the 8V line could supply at least 20ma without releasing smoke :-)

The individual that asked this question initially, was looking for the possibility of 50ma.

Grant NQ5T

> On Jul 26, 2020, at 8:21 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Grant,
> 
> The MH2/MH4 mic does not use the 8 volts directly - there is a resistor between the 8 volt supply and the AF line,
> and that is where the 10ma is used to power the electret elemant.
> The 10 ma. used by the microphone has nothing to do with the total current available from pin 6.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 7/26/2020 8:05 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:
>> I have the same question about the current available for the 8V at the mic connector.  Is it limited to 10ma, or will it actually support a somewhat higher continuous current draw safely.  Not just for the k3, but also the K4.
>> 
>> Grant NQ5T
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 26, 2020, at 7:46 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Henk,
>>> 
>>> If indeed it is for a mic preamp, then try it without the preamp.  The K3S has 2 stages of mic AF gain.  Normal for the usual ham mics, and a Hi level for low gain mic elements.
>>> 
>>> You must turn on bias to have the 8 volts appear at the mic jack.  Do not use with direct connection of a dynamic mic - it makes the mic 'sound funny'.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>> 
>>> On 7/26/2020 5:40 PM, Nr4c wrote:
>>>> What are you going to use this  voltage for? I think it?s for a mic preamp. It is not the source of bias for an electret mic. That comes on the mic pin when turned On in the menu.
>>> ______________________________________________________________
> 


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Jul 26 22:25:57 2020
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 19:25:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
In-Reply-To: <aba771f7-0583-f722-7f16-27f9a599573a@gmail.com>
References: <bb43219b-5efa-8b56-81fb-1b6d623e2d7a@coho.net>
	<d5ed74f4-c4d3-06a0-1aa4-201ec9f2ec5e@foothill.net>
	<0dda4f52-a566-4637-a123-62f58c740738@embarqmail.com>
	<aba771f7-0583-f722-7f16-27f9a599573a@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <71cd2763-454f-97d6-d2ec-40ec79818efb@foothill.net>

It's a fairly simple antenna.? Yes, one radial is all you really "need," 
a couple more help improve efficiency and increase the BW.? In the olden 
daze [50's], we'd use 3 or 4 and cut them just a little different.? Also 
increased the BW, especially on 10, and in the later 50's, 10 was open 
28000 - 29700, 24/7.? It's really a very forgiving antenna.? The 
radials, with rope extensions are often used as guys as well.? The droop 
angle will affect the main lobe elevation somewhat, but I'll bet I could 
do a blind "taste" test with you and you'd never really know the 
difference.? That angle is more often used to adjust the impedance at 
the feed point.

Make that angle 90 deg and you have a vertical half-wave dipole 
center-fed out of phase.? Make the elements 1/2 wave each, mechanically 
easy on 10 and even 15, and cophase feed them in the center, and you 
have a Franklin vertical [see KFBK, one of the last ones I know of].? 
Very versatile basic design, works great, lasts a long time.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/26/2020 3:38 PM, Rick NK7I wrote:
> The reading I've done says only one radial is required; that the 
> 'favoring' in the direction of the radial is not enough to be worried 
> about; that there is no cancellation from opposing (or just more) 
> radials.? I have used a single radial ground plane and found this to 
> be true (at 6' over dirt on 80M).? It favors a morning net 800 miles 
> away, yet worked DX in any other direction easily (then I moved to a 
> rotating dipole at 60' which beats it out).? That ground plane easily 
> beat out a horizontal dipole I used before them all (fixed, in the 
> 'wrong' angle because of tree location).
>
> Both the radiator and radial are tuned (equally), but the angle of 
> difference from dipole to the traditional 90 deg ground plane will 
> cause the resistance to vary (roughly 72 ohms as a dipole, dropping to 
> ~50 ohms when at 90 degrees),? So if another angle is chosen (inverted 
> Y), to match a 50 ohm feedline (to have a 1:1 SWR), the element 
> lengths are adjusted equally until that match is made; altering the 
> resonance of the wires (maximum transfer of energy).? And inverted Y 
> antenna would be between that 50-72 ohm range, still acceptably low 
> SWR to not mess with.
>
> Which again, is not a significant variance, so put it up, try it out 
> and compare to other antennas.? Wire is cheap enough to play with and 
> try things out.
>
> Modeling will demonstrate the pattern and 'take off' angles quite 
> clearly; reality is often different because of local objects, ground 
> resistance, height...
>
> Don't forget to add a common mode current choke at the feed.
>
> 73,
> Rick NK7I
>
>
>
> On 7/26/2020 11:57 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Fred,
>>
>> That would be correct if they are oriented at 180 degrees from each 
>> other so as to cancel the horizontal radiation.? Elevated radials 
>> must be tuned to be effective, but only 2 are needed. How much tuning 
>> will depend on the height above ground.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>


From kevinr at coho.net  Mon Jul 27 00:02:08 2020
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 21:02:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <031115f4-4d41-7416-b1c0-d33c88752528@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? Twenty meters had deep QSB and summer QRN.? But it was fun to hear 
you all.? I received more email than I did check ins though. I'll work 
on that antenna this week and test it next Sunday.? I'll build it close 
to resonance around 7.1 MHz.? From what I have read the radiation 
pattern will be almost circular.? My inverted V's have a nearly circular 
pattern too which helps.? I'm not sure if I can use it on 20 meters 
too.? More coax would be nice; then I could test more antennas.

 ?? The comet is fading now.? I'm struggling against the evening 
clouds.? By the time the sky is dark enough to see the comet well the 
haze has come in.? Viewing Mercury on each apparition was normal while I 
was living in Albuquerque.? I think I have seen it once since I moved 
back to the PNW.? Winter constellations are best here since the clouds 
form below me and block any lights.


 ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

NO8V - John - MI

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K4JPN - Steve - GA

K6XK - Roy - IA

K0DTJ - Brian - CA


 ? On 7047.5 kHz at 0000z:

K0DTJ - Brian - CA


Hopefully there won't be too much heavy weather this week. Summer 
thunderstorms form tornadoes too often.? However, the crops need the 
rain.? I remember lying in bed trying to sleep in the hot, humid nights 
of the Midwest.? Instead of the mantle clock I could listen to the corn 
growing about fifty yards away.

 ?? Until next week 73,

 ????? Kevin.? KD5ONS


-



Antelope Freeway 1/256 mile




From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Mon Jul 27 00:51:48 2020
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 07:51:48 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Groundplane antennas (was: Re: Elecraft CW Net
 Announcement)
In-Reply-To: <71cd2763-454f-97d6-d2ec-40ec79818efb@foothill.net>
References: <bb43219b-5efa-8b56-81fb-1b6d623e2d7a@coho.net>
	<d5ed74f4-c4d3-06a0-1aa4-201ec9f2ec5e@foothill.net>
	<0dda4f52-a566-4637-a123-62f58c740738@embarqmail.com>
	<aba771f7-0583-f722-7f16-27f9a599573a@gmail.com>
	<71cd2763-454f-97d6-d2ec-40ec79818efb@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <52e61952-aab6-3b59-6eb6-2d463e4129ca@gmail.com>

A symmetrical arrangement of radials (which implies more than one) will 
reduce common mode current and high-angle radiation, which are usually 
considered undesirable (although for local QSOs the high-angle radiation 
can be useful).

If you have an unsymmetrical radial arrangement, it's best to put a 
choke at the feedpoint to kill the common mode current. Almost in any 
case there will be some imbalance caused by nearby objects, so a choke 
is a good idea.

Two radials is slightly less efficient than three or four, but not that 
much.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
.
On 27/07/2020 5:25, Fred Jensen wrote:
> It's a fairly simple antenna.? Yes, one radial is all you really "need," 
> a couple more help improve efficiency and increase the BW.? In the olden 
> daze [50's], we'd use 3 or 4 and cut them just a little different.? Also 
> increased the BW, especially on 10, and in the later 50's, 10 was open 
> 28000 - 29700, 24/7.? It's really a very forgiving antenna.? The 
> radials, with rope extensions are often used as guys as well.? The droop 
> angle will affect the main lobe elevation somewhat, but I'll bet I could 
> do a blind "taste" test with you and you'd never really know the 
> difference.? That angle is more often used to adjust the impedance at 
> the feed point.
> 
> Make that angle 90 deg and you have a vertical half-wave dipole 
> center-fed out of phase.? Make the elements 1/2 wave each, mechanically 
> easy on 10 and even 15, and cophase feed them in the center, and you 
> have a Franklin vertical [see KFBK, one of the last ones I know of]. 
> Very versatile basic design, works great, lasts a long time.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
> On 7/26/2020 3:38 PM, Rick NK7I wrote:
>> The reading I've done says only one radial is required; that the 
>> 'favoring' in the direction of the radial is not enough to be worried 
>> about; that there is no cancellation from opposing (or just more) 
>> radials.? I have used a single radial ground plane and found this to 
>> be true (at 6' over dirt on 80M).? It favors a morning net 800 miles 
>> away, yet worked DX in any other direction easily (then I moved to a 
>> rotating dipole at 60' which beats it out).? That ground plane easily 
>> beat out a horizontal dipole I used before them all (fixed, in the 
>> 'wrong' angle because of tree location).
>>
>> Both the radiator and radial are tuned (equally), but the angle of 
>> difference from dipole to the traditional 90 deg ground plane will 
>> cause the resistance to vary (roughly 72 ohms as a dipole, dropping to 
>> ~50 ohms when at 90 degrees),? So if another angle is chosen (inverted 
>> Y), to match a 50 ohm feedline (to have a 1:1 SWR), the element 
>> lengths are adjusted equally until that match is made; altering the 
>> resonance of the wires (maximum transfer of energy).? And inverted Y 
>> antenna would be between that 50-72 ohm range, still acceptably low 
>> SWR to not mess with.
>>
>> Which again, is not a significant variance, so put it up, try it out 
>> and compare to other antennas.? Wire is cheap enough to play with and 
>> try things out.
>>
>> Modeling will demonstrate the pattern and 'take off' angles quite 
>> clearly; reality is often different because of local objects, ground 
>> resistance, height...
>>
>> Don't forget to add a common mode current choke at the feed.
>>
>> 73,
>> Rick NK7I
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/26/2020 11:57 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>> Fred,
>>>
>>> That would be correct if they are oriented at 180 degrees from each 
>>> other so as to cancel the horizontal radiation.? Elevated radials 
>>> must be tuned to be effective, but only 2 are needed. How much tuning 
>>> will depend on the height above ground.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>>
> 
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From ericrosenberg.dc at gmail.com  Mon Jul 27 06:25:05 2020
From: ericrosenberg.dc at gmail.com (Eric Rosenberg)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 10:25:05 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Audio output routing confusion
Message-ID: <em95f5569a-186e-403e-a535-a09d308b2d50@eric>

After 6 months off the air, I find myself confused by the K3's audio 
output choices.

While I'm able to hear the Main A VFO and Sub RX VFO through my one 
speaker, I can't figure out how to (or if) hear both the Main RX A and B 
VFOs through that speaker.

Is there a way to configure this, or do I need a second speaker or must 
I use headphones?

Thanks & 73,

Eric
W3DQ


From john at kk9a.com  Mon Jul 27 08:04:02 2020
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 07:04:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Pelican case for K3?
Message-ID: <20200727070402.Horde.ncHz7LBI8fx3IizhFTbC_xB@www11.qth.com>


AE9K has Pelican case information on his website that you may find helpful:
http://www.ae9k.com/home/elecraft-k-line/transport

John KK9A


eric norris WD6DBM wrote:

Does anybody know what model Pelican case is the best fit for a K3?  Thanks!

73, Eric WD6DBM


From ptaa at ieee.org  Mon Jul 27 08:50:56 2020
From: ptaa at ieee.org (LA7NO)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 05:50:56 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 problem
Message-ID: <1595854256553-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hello,

The K3 suddenly stopped working.
One day all OK, the next day serious problems.

Serial no.: 07818.
It has ATU and 100 W PA installed, and also a P3 connected.
Both K3 and P3 were earlier well calibrated.
Supply: 14,5 VDC.

Symptoms:
- Rx seriously reduced sensitivity, only strong signals to be heard.
- No Tx output. Tuning not successful, no SWR indicated (only the 3
hyphens).
- Same on all bands.
- All displays, controls and menus apparently working normal.
- Mic-gain & ALC normal indication on SSB.

All menu settings seem to be OK.

Connected an XG3 and injected a -73 dBm signal.
It showed up on all bands with signal level about -100 dBm, so around 30 dB
attenuation.

Connected a LP-100A and a 50 ohm dummy load.
Whatever we tried, the LP-100A indicated zero power out on all bands.
Same on both Ant1 and Ant2.
Bypassed the ATU: no change.
Set power to < 10 W, effectively bypassing the PA: no change.

It is clearly something that is common for both Rx and Tx.
It is independent of the selected band.
Apparently not related to ATU or PA.

So, it could be some relay problem, or related to the SWR bridge or
LP-filters.

Hope you can give some helpful ideas on how to proceed.

Best regards & 73 from Norway,

Per-Tore / LA7NO




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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Mon Jul 27 09:03:01 2020
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 06:03:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 problem
In-Reply-To: <1595854256553-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1595854256553-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <6f4d7f92-1548-17c9-1baf-81c8ef660202@triconet.org>

May be a LO problem.? Check all of the TMP cables.

Wes? N7WS



On 7/27/2020 5:50 AM, LA7NO wrote:
> Hello,
>
> The K3 suddenly stopped working.
> One day all OK, the next day serious problems.
>
> Serial no.: 07818.
> It has ATU and 100 W PA installed, and also a P3 connected.
> Both K3 and P3 were earlier well calibrated.
> Supply: 14,5 VDC.
>
> Symptoms:
> - Rx seriously reduced sensitivity, only strong signals to be heard.
> - No Tx output. Tuning not successful, no SWR indicated (only the 3
> hyphens).
> - Same on all bands.
> - All displays, controls and menus apparently working normal.
> - Mic-gain & ALC normal indication on SSB.
>
> All menu settings seem to be OK.
>
> Connected an XG3 and injected a -73 dBm signal.
> It showed up on all bands with signal level about -100 dBm, so around 30 dB
> attenuation.
>
> Connected a LP-100A and a 50 ohm dummy load.
> Whatever we tried, the LP-100A indicated zero power out on all bands.
> Same on both Ant1 and Ant2.
> Bypassed the ATU: no change.
> Set power to < 10 W, effectively bypassing the PA: no change.
>
> It is clearly something that is common for both Rx and Tx.
> It is independent of the selected band.
> Apparently not related to ATU or PA.
>
> So, it could be some relay problem, or related to the SWR bridge or
> LP-filters.
>
> Hope you can give some helpful ideas on how to proceed.
>
> Best regards & 73 from Norway,
>
> Per-Tore / LA7NO
>
>
>
>
> -----
> 73,
>
> Per-Tore / LA7NO
>
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From jasimmons at pinewooddata.com  Mon Jul 27 09:06:15 2020
From: jasimmons at pinewooddata.com (John Simmons)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 08:06:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 problem
In-Reply-To: <1595854256553-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1595854256553-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <8ca7948a-32d7-97a3-af8e-98a8f85e0879@pinewooddata.com>

Did you check the antenna selection?


-- 
73,
-John NI0K
https://www.qrz.com/db/NI0K
LA7NO wrote on 7/27/2020 7:50 AM:
> Hello,
>
> The K3 suddenly stopped working.
> One day all OK, the next day serious problems.
>
> Serial no.: 07818.
> It has ATU and 100 W PA installed, and also a P3 connected.
> Both K3 and P3 were earlier well calibrated.
> Supply: 14,5 VDC.
>
> Symptoms:
> - Rx seriously reduced sensitivity, only strong signals to be heard.
> - No Tx output. Tuning not successful, no SWR indicated (only the 3
> hyphens).
> - Same on all bands.
> - All displays, controls and menus apparently working normal.
> - Mic-gain & ALC normal indication on SSB.
>
> All menu settings seem to be OK.
>
> Connected an XG3 and injected a -73 dBm signal.
> It showed up on all bands with signal level about -100 dBm, so around 30 dB
> attenuation.
>
> Connected a LP-100A and a 50 ohm dummy load.
> Whatever we tried, the LP-100A indicated zero power out on all bands.
> Same on both Ant1 and Ant2.
> Bypassed the ATU: no change.
> Set power to < 10 W, effectively bypassing the PA: no change.
>
> It is clearly something that is common for both Rx and Tx.
> It is independent of the selected band.
> Apparently not related to ATU or PA.
>
> So, it could be some relay problem, or related to the SWR bridge or
> LP-filters.
>
> Hope you can give some helpful ideas on how to proceed.
>
> Best regards & 73 from Norway,
>
> Per-Tore / LA7NO
>
>
>
>
> -----
> 73,
>
> Per-Tore / LA7NO
>
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From ptaa at ieee.org  Mon Jul 27 09:18:10 2020
From: ptaa at ieee.org (LA7NO)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 06:18:10 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 problem
In-Reply-To: <6f4d7f92-1548-17c9-1baf-81c8ef660202@triconet.org>
References: <1595854256553-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<6f4d7f92-1548-17c9-1baf-81c8ef660202@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <1595855890197-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Would not that make the rx dead?
I can hear strong signals.
But the tx is giving no output.




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From ptaa at ieee.org  Mon Jul 27 09:18:57 2020
From: ptaa at ieee.org (LA7NO)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 06:18:57 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 problem
In-Reply-To: <8ca7948a-32d7-97a3-af8e-98a8f85e0879@pinewooddata.com>
References: <1595854256553-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<8ca7948a-32d7-97a3-af8e-98a8f85e0879@pinewooddata.com>
Message-ID: <1595855937635-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Yes, as I said, same problem on both Ant1 & Ant2.




-----
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From gdanner12 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 27 10:05:47 2020
From: gdanner12 at gmail.com (George)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 10:05:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 problem
In-Reply-To: <1595854256553-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1595854256553-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <3E16CEB257B34B5791BED93B10EB2672@GeorgenLouise>

All Bands?
If receiving a strong station, is it on frequency?

73
George  AI4VZ

-----Original Message----- 
From: LA7NO 
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 8:50 AM 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 problem 

Hello,

The K3 suddenly stopped working.
One day all OK, the next day serious problems.

Serial no.: 07818.
It has ATU and 100 W PA installed, and also a P3 connected.
Both K3 and P3 were earlier well calibrated.
Supply: 14,5 VDC.

Symptoms:
- Rx seriously reduced sensitivity, only strong signals to be heard.
- No Tx output. Tuning not successful, no SWR indicated (only the 3
hyphens).
- Same on all bands.
- All displays, controls and menus apparently working normal.
- Mic-gain & ALC normal indication on SSB.

All menu settings seem to be OK.

Connected an XG3 and injected a -73 dBm signal.
It showed up on all bands with signal level about -100 dBm, so around 30 dB
attenuation.

Connected a LP-100A and a 50 ohm dummy load.
Whatever we tried, the LP-100A indicated zero power out on all bands.
Same on both Ant1 and Ant2.
Bypassed the ATU: no change.
Set power to < 10 W, effectively bypassing the PA: no change.

It is clearly something that is common for both Rx and Tx.
It is independent of the selected band.
Apparently not related to ATU or PA.

So, it could be some relay problem, or related to the SWR bridge or
LP-filters.

Hope you can give some helpful ideas on how to proceed.

Best regards & 73 from Norway,

Per-Tore / LA7NO




-----
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Per-Tore / LA7NO

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From ptaa at ieee.org  Mon Jul 27 10:28:05 2020
From: ptaa at ieee.org (LA7NO)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 07:28:05 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 problem
In-Reply-To: <3E16CEB257B34B5791BED93B10EB2672@GeorgenLouise>
References: <1595854256553-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<3E16CEB257B34B5791BED93B10EB2672@GeorgenLouise>
Message-ID: <1595860085342-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Yes, all bands are the same.
Received signals are normal in all respects, except signal strength.

P-T




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From Mike.Carter at unh.edu  Mon Jul 27 10:28:59 2020
From: Mike.Carter at unh.edu (Mike K8CN)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 07:28:59 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 problem
In-Reply-To: <1595854256553-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1595854256553-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1595860139476-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

You might check the PIN diode T/R switch.  The high attenuation in RX mode
and no output power even when the 100 W PA is bypassed suggest that one or
more of the PIN diodes in the T/R switch have failed "open."

Mike, K8CN



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From ptaa at ieee.org  Mon Jul 27 11:09:16 2020
From: ptaa at ieee.org (LA7NO)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 08:09:16 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 problem
In-Reply-To: <1595860139476-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1595854256553-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1595860139476-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1595862556925-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Thanks, Mike.

I guess this is the MA4P PIN diodes D26 & D27.
Is there an easy way to check those?

P-T




-----
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From foster2 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 27 11:49:02 2020
From: foster2 at gmail.com (Foster Kartsotis)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 11:49:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Kx3 and px3 for sale
Message-ID: <CALN7B4eB0okoKGnp7K3u3qi7gOxSi=RuKFP2V0QSqGeQxHPViA@mail.gmail.com>

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following options:

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- foster n3jku

From foster2 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 27 11:54:49 2020
From: foster2 at gmail.com (Foster Kartsotis)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 11:54:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Alpha magnetic loop antenna for sale
Message-ID: <CALN7B4cF65Bkj7Qnf_g-oQ56NNcCLVBX0eAUkn+PSEmhc6SymA@mail.gmail.com>

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From M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk  Mon Jul 27 12:00:26 2020
From: M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk (David Ferrington, M0XDF)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 17:00:26 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Alpha magnetic loop antenna for sale
In-Reply-To: <CALN7B4cF65Bkj7Qnf_g-oQ56NNcCLVBX0eAUkn+PSEmhc6SymA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALN7B4cF65Bkj7Qnf_g-oQ56NNcCLVBX0eAUkn+PSEmhc6SymA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5F608E23-4736-4D9F-90D4-4BBB7E80AB24@Alphadene.co.uk>

What?s your QTH
73 de David, M0XDF
-- 
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from
him. -Galileo Galilei, physicist and astronomer (1564-1642)

> On 27 Jul 2020, at 16:54, Foster Kartsotis <foster2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Like new, 10-80 magnetic loop antenna with alpha tripod.  Best offer
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From foster2 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 27 12:02:40 2020
From: foster2 at gmail.com (Foster Kartsotis)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 12:02:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Alpha magnetic loop antenna for sale
In-Reply-To: <5F608E23-4736-4D9F-90D4-4BBB7E80AB24@Alphadene.co.uk>
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	<5F608E23-4736-4D9F-90D4-4BBB7E80AB24@Alphadene.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CALN7B4fBoqfJxs1=Cm_9yKSS3v6ac9SWv1d8SGfNiwNJxXqgkQ@mail.gmail.com>

Pittsburgh pa
Foster n3jku

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 12:00 David Ferrington, M0XDF <M0XDF at alphadene.co.uk>
wrote:

> What?s your QTH
> 73 de David, M0XDF
> --
> I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from
> him. -Galileo Galilei, physicist and astronomer (1564-1642)
>
> On 27 Jul 2020, at 16:54, Foster Kartsotis <foster2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Like new, 10-80 magnetic loop antenna with alpha tripod.  Best offer
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From hs0zed at gmail.com  Mon Jul 27 12:32:15 2020
From: hs0zed at gmail.com (Martin Sole)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 19:32:15 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 problem
In-Reply-To: <1595854256553-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1595854256553-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <60265736-bbfd-39dc-91f8-91602ee9a832@gmail.com>

Hi,

What Serial number?

I have found on my own and a friends K3, both very low S/N around 300, 
that the KREF3 board has been the culprit for this exact problem.
First check the all the TMP cables to and from the KREF3 board and the 
synths. If all look good you should examine the K3REF board.

In both cases I have found 100nF (0.1uF) capacitors on this board to be 
essentially a low DC resistance. Look in particular at the 5 volt line. 
This supply affect IC6 the divide by 6 which provides both the second LO 
for the receivers and one input to the mixer for the TXIF1. Measure the 
resistance to ground from either side of L1 and L2 to figure out which 
capacitor is likely the cause of the problem.

Please keep the list posted on what you find.

Martin, HS0ZED



On 27/7/63 19:50, LA7NO wrote:
> Hello,
>
> The K3 suddenly stopped working.
> One day all OK, the next day serious problems.
>
> Serial no.: 07818.
> It has ATU and 100 W PA installed, and also a P3 connected.
> Both K3 and P3 were earlier well calibrated.
> Supply: 14,5 VDC.
>
> Symptoms:
> - Rx seriously reduced sensitivity, only strong signals to be heard.
> - No Tx output. Tuning not successful, no SWR indicated (only the 3
> hyphens).
> - Same on all bands.
> - All displays, controls and menus apparently working normal.
> - Mic-gain & ALC normal indication on SSB.
>
> All menu settings seem to be OK.
>
> Connected an XG3 and injected a -73 dBm signal.
> It showed up on all bands with signal level about -100 dBm, so around 30 dB
> attenuation.
>
> Connected a LP-100A and a 50 ohm dummy load.
> Whatever we tried, the LP-100A indicated zero power out on all bands.
> Same on both Ant1 and Ant2.
> Bypassed the ATU: no change.
> Set power to < 10 W, effectively bypassing the PA: no change.
>
> It is clearly something that is common for both Rx and Tx.
> It is independent of the selected band.
> Apparently not related to ATU or PA.
>
> So, it could be some relay problem, or related to the SWR bridge or
> LP-filters.
>
> Hope you can give some helpful ideas on how to proceed.
>
> Best regards & 73 from Norway,
>
> Per-Tore / LA7NO
>
>
>
>
> -----
> 73,
>
> Per-Tore / LA7NO
>
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From hs0zed at gmail.com  Mon Jul 27 12:34:19 2020
From: hs0zed at gmail.com (Martin Sole)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 19:34:19 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 problem
In-Reply-To: <60265736-bbfd-39dc-91f8-91602ee9a832@gmail.com>
References: <1595854256553-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<60265736-bbfd-39dc-91f8-91602ee9a832@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c393a314-62c9-7e83-f81c-539f9482cad2@gmail.com>

Apologies, I just saw the serial number? 7818, quite a bit newer so 
maybe not a failed capacitor, yet :)

Martin, H0ZED


On 27/7/63 23:32, Martin Sole wrote:
> Hi,
>
> What Serial number?
>
> I have found on my own and a friends K3, both very low S/N around 300, 
> that the KREF3 board has been the culprit for this exact problem.
> First check the all the TMP cables to and from the KREF3 board and the 
> synths. If all look good you should examine the K3REF board.
>
> In both cases I have found 100nF (0.1uF) capacitors on this board to 
> be essentially a low DC resistance. Look in particular at the 5 volt 
> line. This supply affect IC6 the divide by 6 which provides both the 
> second LO for the receivers and one input to the mixer for the TXIF1. 
> Measure the resistance to ground from either side of L1 and L2 to 
> figure out which capacitor is likely the cause of the problem.
>
> Please keep the list posted on what you find.
>
> Martin, HS0ZED
>
>
>
> On 27/7/63 19:50, LA7NO wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> The K3 suddenly stopped working.
>> One day all OK, the next day serious problems.
>>
>> Serial no.: 07818.
>> It has ATU and 100 W PA installed, and also a P3 connected.
>> Both K3 and P3 were earlier well calibrated.
>> Supply: 14,5 VDC.
>>
>> Symptoms:
>> - Rx seriously reduced sensitivity, only strong signals to be heard.
>> - No Tx output. Tuning not successful, no SWR indicated (only the 3
>> hyphens).
>> - Same on all bands.
>> - All displays, controls and menus apparently working normal.
>> - Mic-gain & ALC normal indication on SSB.
>>
>> All menu settings seem to be OK.
>>
>> Connected an XG3 and injected a -73 dBm signal.
>> It showed up on all bands with signal level about -100 dBm, so around 30 dB
>> attenuation.
>>
>> Connected a LP-100A and a 50 ohm dummy load.
>> Whatever we tried, the LP-100A indicated zero power out on all bands.
>> Same on both Ant1 and Ant2.
>> Bypassed the ATU: no change.
>> Set power to < 10 W, effectively bypassing the PA: no change.
>>
>> It is clearly something that is common for both Rx and Tx.
>> It is independent of the selected band.
>> Apparently not related to ATU or PA.
>>
>> So, it could be some relay problem, or related to the SWR bridge or
>> LP-filters.
>>
>> Hope you can give some helpful ideas on how to proceed.
>>
>> Best regards & 73 from Norway,
>>
>> Per-Tore / LA7NO
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> 73,
>>
>> Per-Tore / LA7NO
>>
>> --
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From Mike.Carter at unh.edu  Mon Jul 27 12:38:14 2020
From: Mike.Carter at unh.edu (Mike K8CN)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 09:38:14 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 problem
In-Reply-To: <1595862556925-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1595854256553-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1595860139476-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1595862556925-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1595867894283-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Per-Tore,

I don't know if there's an easy way to check the PIN diodes in the T/R
switch, especially since the SMD components of the switch are mostly on the
underside of the RF board.  Here's where I would start:

1) Find spots on the RF board (top side) where you can measure the control
voltages 7R and 7T.  Verify that these change in opposition to each other,
i.e. if 7R is high, 7T should be low and vice-versa, when changing from RX
mode to TX mode and back.

2) Presuming that both voltages 7R and 7T behave properly in switching from
RX to TX mode and back, I would measure the voltage on the drain of Q7, the
MOSFET switch, when 7R is high.  Assertion of 7R should pull the Q7 drain
voltage low, which causes sufficient current to pass through both PIN diodes
D26 and D27 to enable the RX signal to pass through, presuming there is not
a problem with PIN diode D25.

3) It is possible that the Q7 drain voltage could be pulled low if only one
of PIN diodes D26 or D27 functions properly and the other has failed open,
so test (2) is not conclusive.

4) If you have a scope with a 10X probe, I would check for presence of RF on
the anode of PIN diode D43 when in TX mode - any frequency on the VFO within
the scope bandwidth should suffice.  D43 must be forward-biased by the 7T
voltage in order for RF drive to be coupled to the low power (10 Watt) PA
assembly (Z2 on the block diagram).  The fact that you have not been able to
detect any transmitted power in TX mode whether the 100 watt PA is bypassed
or not may indicate that the low power PA is not receiving drive from the
mixer.  The 7T voltage is supplied to the anode of D43 via the low power PA
input connector, but it's unlikely that the simple path internal to the low
power PA board is at fault, i.e. 7T is not reaching D43.

I haven't had my K3 opened up for many years, nor have I experienced the
problem you described, so I can't easily point out where to access the
circuit points mentioned above.

There is another set of PIN diode switches around the mixer, but I would
start with those closest to the low power PA before going further back up
the signal processing chain.

73,
Mike, K8CN



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From Mike.Carter at unh.edu  Mon Jul 27 13:34:38 2020
From: Mike.Carter at unh.edu (Mike K8CN)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 10:34:38 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 problem
In-Reply-To: <60265736-bbfd-39dc-91f8-91602ee9a832@gmail.com>
References: <1595854256553-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<60265736-bbfd-39dc-91f8-91602ee9a832@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1595871278393-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

I agree with Martin's simpler hypothesis. The sudden change of behavior in
both TX and RX modes could well result from insufficient LO drive to either
the 1st or 2nd mixers.  Check that possibility before launching into
detailed testing of the PIN diode T/R switch.  It may be as simple as a
loose or corroded TMP connector.

Mike, K8CN



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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Mon Jul 27 14:53:17 2020
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 11:53:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 problem
In-Reply-To: <1595871278393-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1595854256553-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<60265736-bbfd-39dc-91f8-91602ee9a832@gmail.com>
	<1595871278393-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <99e1dfc2-7395-c328-039b-55072c20cd5d@triconet.org>

I thought I said that.

On 7/27/2020 10:34 AM, Mike K8CN wrote:
> I agree with Martin's simpler hypothesis. The sudden change of behavior in
> both TX and RX modes could well result from insufficient LO drive to either
> the 1st or 2nd mixers.  Check that possibility before launching into
> detailed testing of the PIN diode T/R switch.  It may be as simple as a
> loose or corroded TMP connector.
>
> Mike, K8CN
>


From Mike.Carter at unh.edu  Mon Jul 27 15:04:41 2020
From: Mike.Carter at unh.edu (Mike K8CN)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 12:04:41 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 problem
In-Reply-To: <99e1dfc2-7395-c328-039b-55072c20cd5d@triconet.org>
References: <1595854256553-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<60265736-bbfd-39dc-91f8-91602ee9a832@gmail.com>
	<1595871278393-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<99e1dfc2-7395-c328-039b-55072c20cd5d@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <1595876681681-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Aye, Wes, indeed you did!  I wasn't thinking of LO drive levels when I first
read your post, but was thinking of common signal paths for TX and RX
through the T/R switch and no deeper into the signal processing chain. 
Let's hope your and Martin's suggestion proves to be the true cause of
Per-Tore's issue.

Thanks, and 73,
Mike, K8CN



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From glcazzola at alice.it  Mon Jul 27 15:18:52 2020
From: glcazzola at alice.it (IK4EWX)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 12:18:52 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] SP3 intermittent A/B switch
In-Reply-To: <1595716691089-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1595716691089-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1595877532348-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

I had this problem a pair of years ago. 
The same problem, exactly, that could be solved only changing the switch and
the annex internal cabling.
You should require  it to Elecraft.
It need 20 minutes becouse the speaker must be largely disassembled for
changing this part.
Ian IK4EWX



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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Mon Jul 27 18:25:20 2020
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 15:25:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 problem
In-Reply-To: <1595876681681-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1595854256553-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<60265736-bbfd-39dc-91f8-91602ee9a832@gmail.com>
	<1595871278393-0.post@n2.nabble.c om>
	<99e1dfc2-7395-c328-039b-55072c20cd5d@triconet.org>
	<1595876681681-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <8d20de6b-fd24-791a-41b4-adce53853999@triconet.org>

I've had TMP connectors badly corroded in my K3. See: 
https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-K3/album?id=37256

Wes? N7WS

On 7/27/2020 12:04 PM, Mike K8CN wrote:
> Aye, Wes, indeed you did!  I wasn't thinking of LO drive levels when I first
> read your post, but was thinking of common signal paths for TX and RX
> through the T/R switch and no deeper into the signal processing chain.
> Let's hope your and Martin's suggestion proves to be the true cause of
> Per-Tore's issue.
>
> Thanks, and 73,
> Mike, K8CN


From jimk0xu at gmail.com  Mon Jul 27 18:28:55 2020
From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 17:28:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Audio output routing confusion
In-Reply-To: <em95f5569a-186e-403e-a535-a09d308b2d50@eric>
References: <em95f5569a-186e-403e-a535-a09d308b2d50@eric>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4biQbFWGdng+ZQ9WF9y6YJV9tWR67VS5Wx+9VD7=-JEWQ@mail.gmail.com>

You need to set the "SPKRS" on the Config menu to "1" in order to hear them
both at once.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 5:27 AM Eric Rosenberg <ericrosenberg.dc at gmail.com>
wrote:

> After 6 months off the air, I find myself confused by the K3's audio
> output choices.
>
> While I'm able to hear the Main A VFO and Sub RX VFO through my one
> speaker, I can't figure out how to (or if) hear both the Main RX A and B
> VFOs through that speaker.
>
> Is there a way to configure this, or do I need a second speaker or must
> I use headphones?
>
> Thanks & 73,
>
> Eric
> W3DQ
>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Jul 27 18:55:26 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 18:55:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 problem
In-Reply-To: <8d20de6b-fd24-791a-41b4-adce53853999@triconet.org>
References: <1595854256553-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<60265736-bbfd-39dc-91f8-91602ee9a832@gmail.com>
	<1595871278393-0.post@n2.nabble.c om>
	<99e1dfc2-7395-c328-039b-55072c20cd5d@triconet.org>
	<1595876681681-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<8d20de6b-fd24-791a-41b4-adce53853999@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <881c0582-ff0d-a79f-6433-2e5c37682ac3@embarqmail.com>

That is why just looking for loose TMP connectors may not be sufficient.
While you are inside the K3, give all the TMP connectors a slight twist 
which should clear some of the corrosion.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/27/2020 6:25 PM, Wes wrote:
> I've had TMP connectors badly corroded in my K3. See: 
> https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-K3/album?id=37256
> 
> Wes? N7WS
> 

From dick at elecraft.com  Mon Jul 27 19:05:02 2020
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 16:05:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Alpha testers sought: Kenwood, Flex,
	Yaesu exciters
Message-ID: <000201d6646a$5c31d910$14958b30$@elecraft.com>

I've made some recent changes to KPA1500 processing of transceiver frequency
messages from Kenwood, Flex, and Yaesu radios.  Icom CI-V is unchanged.

 

If you use one of these radios and use the KPA1500's XCVR SERIAL connection
to communicate the transceiver's frequency to the KPA1500, I'd appreciate
your help in testing a new version. If you generally use a logging program
to poll the radio and the KPA1500 is set up to observe the commands and
responses, that helps, too.

 

Thanks! 

 

73 de Dick, K6KR

 


From rocketnj at gmail.com  Mon Jul 27 21:29:44 2020
From: rocketnj at gmail.com (rocketnj at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 21:29:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Alpha testers sought: Kenwood, Flex,
	Yaesu exciters
In-Reply-To: <000201d6646a$5c31d910$14958b30$@elecraft.com>
References: <000201d6646a$5c31d910$14958b30$@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <08bc01d6647e$93611b80$ba235280$@gmail.com>

Hi Dick,

I would be interested in participating. Using a Flex 6700 via the KXUSB
cable from amp direct to USB port on radio. Set up to track the TX slice on
radio. Been working fine. Flex has a setting to auto poll.

I also have written a flow for Node Red to monitor and control the amp via a
web browser. Using the Ethernet IP connection and sending the ^ commands for
control and monitoring/info. Node Red runs on a Raspberry Pi on the network.


I will reply to you via direct email with my direct contact info.

73
Dave wo2x


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Dick Dievendorff
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 7:05 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Alpha testers sought: Kenwood, Flex, Yaesu
exciters

I've made some recent changes to KPA1500 processing of transceiver frequency
messages from Kenwood, Flex, and Yaesu radios.  Icom CI-V is unchanged.

 

If you use one of these radios and use the KPA1500's XCVR SERIAL connection
to communicate the transceiver's frequency to the KPA1500, I'd appreciate
your help in testing a new version. If you generally use a logging program
to poll the radio and the KPA1500 is set up to observe the commands and
responses, that helps, too.

 

Thanks! 

 

73 de Dick, K6KR

 

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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Mon Jul 27 23:30:55 2020
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 23:30:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Audio output routing confusion
In-Reply-To: <CALhxr4biQbFWGdng+ZQ9WF9y6YJV9tWR67VS5Wx+9VD7=-JEWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALhxr4biQbFWGdng+ZQ9WF9y6YJV9tWR67VS5Wx+9VD7=-JEWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A0B321D1-E35A-4B4B-91A3-0F2E7F82860D@widomaker.com>

I think you can only hear Main Rec VFO A or VFO B. The only way to hear VFO A and VFO B at the same time is with KRX3 sub-receiver as VFO B. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 27, 2020, at 6:32 PM, Jim Rhodes <jimk0xu at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?You need to set the "SPKRS" on the Config menu to "1" in order to hear them
> both at once.
> 
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 5:27 AM Eric Rosenberg <ericrosenberg.dc at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> After 6 months off the air, I find myself confused by the K3's audio
>> output choices.
>> 
>> While I'm able to hear the Main A VFO and Sub RX VFO through my one
>> speaker, I can't figure out how to (or if) hear both the Main RX A and B
>> VFOs through that speaker.
>> 
>> Is there a way to configure this, or do I need a second speaker or must
>> I use headphones?
>> 
>> Thanks & 73,
>> 
>> Eric
>> W3DQ
>> 
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From k4pxjoe at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 07:21:08 2020
From: k4pxjoe at gmail.com (K4PX K4PX)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 07:21:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Cable for K3 to Ameritron ALS-1300/ARI-500
Message-ID: <CACfGWQpxSiU1sOx8xAJACRD4KWSy5V1YaXnG6vtVAAnfTZMEkA@mail.gmail.com>

So MFJ/Ameritron in Mississippi and all dealers are out of the Cable #
RJ-DB15HE to interface the ARI-500 to the K3.  MFJ/Amewritron does not seem
to know when they will be back in stock.  I ordered one from the
MFJ/Ameritron website and paid for it then immediately got an email saying
it was backordered.  Wondering if someone could make one for me?  Anybody
know of a source?  Thanks.
73,
Joe
K4PX

From norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 08:54:33 2020
From: norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com (Eric Norris)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 05:54:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Cable for K3 to Ameritron ALS-1300/ARI-500
In-Reply-To: <CACfGWQpxSiU1sOx8xAJACRD4KWSy5V1YaXnG6vtVAAnfTZMEkA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACfGWQpxSiU1sOx8xAJACRD4KWSy5V1YaXnG6vtVAAnfTZMEkA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJSJeL32x9jnFqGnFqtpEA9nU7NO4H9wMH6FOk=K+ObY6hZzqg@mail.gmail.com>

Would one of N6TV boxes work?  I have waited a year for mfj parts...just
sayin'

73 Eric WD6DBM

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 4:28 AM K4PX K4PX <k4pxjoe at gmail.com> wrote:

> So MFJ/Ameritron in Mississippi and all dealers are out of the Cable #
> RJ-DB15HE to interface the ARI-500 to the K3.  MFJ/Amewritron does not seem
> to know when they will be back in stock.  I ordered one from the
> MFJ/Ameritron website and paid for it then immediately got an email saying
> it was backordered.  Wondering if someone could make one for me?  Anybody
> know of a source?  Thanks.
> 73,
> Joe
> K4PX
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From ve3iay at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 08:56:44 2020
From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:56:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Audio output routing confusion
Message-ID: <CAJ-xeHnzqwP+wm1HobXb560-4Mg46T=ovo-BhRbyFpCwxRxxow@mail.gmail.com>

You don't hear VFOs, you hear receivers.

When the subRX is off, the only receiver you can hear is the main receiver.
The main receiver's frequency is always controlled by VFO A, so with the
subRX off you are always listening on the VFO A frequency (you can press
and hold the REV button to swap VFOs temporarily and listen on the
frequency that was in VFO B instead, but as soon as you release the REV
button the VFOs are restored).

When the subRX is on, you can hear both receivers simultaneously (depending
on the L-MIX-R configuration setting). With the default A-B setting, the
main RX is in the left channel and the subRX is in the right channel. The
subRX's frequency is controlled by VFO B, except when the subRX is in
Diversity mode, at which times the subRX's frequency is the VFO A frequency
the same as the main RX.

Regardless of the state of the subRX, the transmitter's frequency is
controlled by VFO A when SPLIT is off, and by VFO B when SPLIT is on.

73,
Rich VE3KI

nr4c wrote:

I think you can only hear Main Rec VFO A or VFO B. The only way to hear VFO
A and VFO B at the same time is with KRX3 sub-receiver as VFO B.

From lists at subich.com  Tue Jul 28 09:52:28 2020
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:52:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Cable for K3 to Ameritron ALS-1300/ARI-500
In-Reply-To: <CAJSJeL32x9jnFqGnFqtpEA9nU7NO4H9wMH6FOk=K+ObY6hZzqg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACfGWQpxSiU1sOx8xAJACRD4KWSy5V1YaXnG6vtVAAnfTZMEkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJSJeL32x9jnFqGnFqtpEA9nU7NO4H9wMH6FOk=K+ObY6hZzqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77853e64-728e-4a79-988c-844bd4613cab@subich.com>



On 2020-07-28 8:54 AM, Eric Norris wrote:
 > Would one of N6TV boxes work?

No, one would still need the RJ45 cable to connect to the ARI-500.

However *if one had the necessary documentation*, it should take
less than 10 minutes with a soldering iron to replace the RJ45
connector on one end of a CAT5 patch cable with a DB15HD.  Not
something that should be beyond the skills of any Elecraft owner.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2020-07-28 8:54 AM, Eric Norris wrote:
> Would one of N6TV boxes work?  I have waited a year for mfj parts...just
> sayin'
> 
> 73 Eric WD6DBM
> 
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 4:28 AM K4PX K4PX <k4pxjoe at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> So MFJ/Ameritron in Mississippi and all dealers are out of the Cable #
>> RJ-DB15HE to interface the ARI-500 to the K3.  MFJ/Amewritron does not seem
>> to know when they will be back in stock.  I ordered one from the
>> MFJ/Ameritron website and paid for it then immediately got an email saying
>> it was backordered.  Wondering if someone could make one for me?  Anybody
>> know of a source?  Thanks.
>> 73,
>> Joe
>> K4PX



From contact at kg6mzs.net  Tue Jul 28 12:11:08 2020
From: contact at kg6mzs.net (kg6mzs)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:11:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Foot Switch Doesn't Work
Message-ID: <b9106cee-e2d6-c1e8-aea1-0f7cecdaca61@kg6mzs.net>

Hello All,

I've connected a Heil foot switch to to rear panel PTT In RCA jack and 
it doesn't key my K3.

I searched the archives here? and found that Don W3FPR had suggested 
testing the foot switch of another unfortunate, Dick K9OM, who suffered 
the same problem.? This thread went unresolved, AFAICT.

I've tested the Heil and it checks out.

Any ideas as to why my foot switch will not key the K3?

TIA,

Eric

KG6MZS


From maxrcul at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 12:21:44 2020
From: maxrcul at gmail.com (Bill DeVore)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:21:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Thanks!
Message-ID: <C5C11C4B-0624-4D90-864F-C75F86412147@gmail.com>

Thanks to all who suggested a solution! Most of the hams on this list could easily work for the engineering or design departments at Elecraft. Sadly I am not one of them. I didn?t realize the mistake I was making when I did a EEinit on my K3S without a current config file.

Fortunately Elecraft keeps config files on new radios or ones they repair. They emailed me the config file they saved when the rig was in for repair about a year ago. Thanks Rob! To those of you who don?t qualify for Elecraft employment. Make sure you save a current config file before doing anything as DRASTIC as an EERint.

Bill - W3PNM



From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Tue Jul 28 12:46:22 2020
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:46:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S in QRP mode
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-5848C812975D4F269177E49B9F251E2D@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

On 7/28/20 at 12:21 PM, maxrcul at gmail.com (Bill DeVore) wrote:

>Make sure you save a current config file before doing anything 
>as DRASTIC as an EERint.

Note that saved config files may be poisoned. Here's an email I 
meant to send to the list, but ended up just sending to NR4C:



I had a problem with the mw Transmitter Gain calibration. It 
kept saying it read 2.07 mw when it should have been 1.00 mw.

I went through a bunch of suggestions from support, which ended 
in EEINIT. That, and a manual reconfiguration of the radio to 
include the 100W amp, tuner, and USB computer interface let me 
run the transmitter gain calibration successfully from the 
utility. THANKS ELECRAFT SUPPORT.

I then went back and reloaded old saved configurations. I had to 
go back about 5 of them, to 2017, to get one that would let me 
run the Transmitter Gain calibration without error.

Doing the  may have had some benefit in letting me being able to 
checkin to the 20M and 40M Elecraft SSB nets. That's hard to 
tell, but conditions today were pretty bad.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 7/26/20 at 5:48 PM, nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) wrote:

>I don?t know why owners jump to a EEINIT to solve problems.  
>There are less distructive ways. Starting with restoring a 
>saved good CONFIG file

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From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk  Tue Jul 28 13:40:39 2020
From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 14:40:39 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Foot Switch Doesn't Work
In-Reply-To: <b9106cee-e2d6-c1e8-aea1-0f7cecdaca61@kg6mzs.net>
References: <b9106cee-e2d6-c1e8-aea1-0f7cecdaca61@kg6mzs.net>
Message-ID: <34c7dd66-a2a9-b81c-6c35-60220e8ffd0c@horizon.co.fk>

I use a donated Heil FS-3 foot switch plugged into PTT IN and it works 
perfectly.

Try plugging a short circuit RCA plug into the K3 and checking if it 
keys or not. The only other RCA socket in that line is KEY OUT to the 
linear!

Regards,

Mike VP8NO

On 28/07/2020 13:11, kg6mzs wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> I've connected a Heil foot switch to to rear panel PTT In RCA jack and 
> it doesn't key my K3.
> 
> I searched the archives here? and found that Don W3FPR had suggested 
> testing the foot switch of another unfortunate, Dick K9OM, who suffered 
> the same problem.? This thread went unresolved, AFAICT.
> 
> I've tested the Heil and it checks out.
> 
> Any ideas as to why my foot switch will not key the K3?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Eric
> 
> KG6MZS

From contact at kg6mzs.net  Tue Jul 28 14:17:47 2020
From: contact at kg6mzs.net (kg6mzs)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 11:17:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Foot Switch Doesn't Work
In-Reply-To: <34c7dd66-a2a9-b81c-6c35-60220e8ffd0c@horizon.co.fk>
References: <b9106cee-e2d6-c1e8-aea1-0f7cecdaca61@kg6mzs.net>
	<34c7dd66-a2a9-b81c-6c35-60220e8ffd0c@horizon.co.fk>
Message-ID: <1e28095d-d11d-fc9c-9d5a-a474c84e0035@kg6mzs.net>

Hi Mike,

Thanks for the reply.? K6MKF also suggested that.? The shorted RCA 
jumper placed in the PTT IN jack also does not key the K3, so it is 
looking like it is something under the hood of the K3.

Thanks again,

Eric

KG6MZS

On 7/28/20 10:40 AM, Mike Harris via Elecraft wrote:
> I use a donated Heil FS-3 foot switch plugged into PTT IN and it works 
> perfectly.
>
> Try plugging a short circuit RCA plug into the K3 and checking if it 
> keys or not. The only other RCA socket in that line is KEY OUT to the 
> linear!
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike VP8NO
>
> On 28/07/2020 13:11, kg6mzs wrote:
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I've connected a Heil foot switch to to rear panel PTT In RCA jack 
>> and it doesn't key my K3.
>>
>> I searched the archives here? and found that Don W3FPR had suggested 
>> testing the foot switch of another unfortunate, Dick K9OM, who 
>> suffered the same problem.? This thread went unresolved, AFAICT.
>>
>> I've tested the Heil and it checks out.
>>
>> Any ideas as to why my foot switch will not key the K3?
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> KG6MZS
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From kthreebo at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 15:12:30 2020
From: kthreebo at gmail.com (barry halterman)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 15:12:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] HR 50 cable set for sale
Message-ID: <CACW=-xEtBihLhABMBXx3GGcuXnexPhzQgM3MDT4HNeqP_Q5yyw@mail.gmail.com>

I currently have a new, never used, hardrock 50 cable set for the kx3/2
radios. This is the two interface cables and the db9 pcb with the jacks for
easy hookup. Asking $25 includes shipping.
Contact me off line  kthreebo at gmail.com if interested.
Thanks for reading
Barry
K3bo

From brianpepperdine at sympatico.ca  Tue Jul 28 16:32:16 2020
From: brianpepperdine at sympatico.ca (Brian)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 20:32:16 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 hears nothing.... my old issue of of K3S IF signals
 seen in P3 and NaP3 but nothing heard
In-Reply-To: <YTOPR0101MB1068604ACBE4AA9171FC39F4C3F00@YTOPR0101MB1068.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <YTOPR0101MB1068604ACBE4AA9171FC39F4C3F00@YTOPR0101MB1068.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <YQXPR0101MB1559F02F15942CB57C2B0253C3730@YQXPR0101MB1559.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

You can see my message below. I think all the threads on this and responses are here.
http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-IF-signals-seen-in-P3-and-NaP3-but-nothing-heard-td7653733.html

In any case, though I think I had to do this a couple times, in the end that last time combined with a bit of DeOxit on the TMP
connectors (male and socket) have had no issues for almost a year  now.
So FYI, this may or may not be the issue for the fellow who hears no signals on his K3.
Note that I WAS seeing signals in NaP3, so at that point it was obvious that it was 'hearing' to a point, so the rest was somewhere and indeed was indeed within those TMP cables going into and out of the front boards.
Thankfully it does not appear that I will have to resort to obtaining and installing the 'gold pins'. That would be WORK!

Brian Pepperdine VE3VAW



________________________________
From: Brian <brianpepperdine at sympatico.ca>
Sent: July 10, 2019 12:36 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: K3S IF signals seen in P3 and NaP3 but nothing heard

A few weeks back I bought a used K3 upgraded to K3S in many ways, including a sub-receiver (which I doubt I will use).
Anyhow.. about a week or so in I was in a situation where I could see IF signals on the P3 (and NaP3) but hear no signals.
I contacted Elecraft service and they felt that if it persisted I might look at replacing the receiver board at the front (behind display panel) with gold pins (which could be ordered from DigiKey) but would require removal/replacement of the pins on the board. Not eager to do that if avoidable.

Anyhow, by the time (day or so) Elecraft had consulted internally and responded the receiver was once again hearing and presenting signals. I left it at that, thinking well the radio WAS shipped etc. so maybe some settlement etc.

Anyhow, earlier today (a month later ? )  the same thing happened. So before pulling the receiver board and re-setting it in the pin socket (hoping for a better connection) I looked at the other hardware connection there.. the two TMP plugs/sockets. So I took the two cables out with the TMP plugs on them and reset them twice.
Behold, signals heard.

I will let this be for now and if it does not repeat then leave it. I will let you all know if in the short/medium term the program stays away or returns. I did see ONE reference to this in the mail list archives, but the gold pins were mentioned there. Nothing re. the accessible and simpler TMP plugs.

73
Brian VE3VAW Toronto ON



From donovanf at erols.com  Tue Jul 28 17:28:49 2020
From: donovanf at erols.com (donovanf at erols.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 17:28:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Foot Switch Doesn't Work
In-Reply-To: <1e28095d-d11d-fc9c-9d5a-a474c84e0035@kg6mzs.net>
Message-ID: <1897414696.947711.1595971729959.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>

Does the PTT in the microphone connector work? 

----- Original Message -----

From: "kg6mzs" <contact at kg6mzs.net> 
To: "Mike Harris" <mike.harris at horizon.co.fk>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 6:17:47 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Foot Switch Doesn't Work 

Hi Mike, 

Thanks for the reply. K6MKF also suggested that. The shorted RCA 
jumper placed in the PTT IN jack also does not key the K3, so it is 
looking like it is something under the hood of the K3. 

Thanks again, 

Eric 

KG6MZS 

On 7/28/20 10:40 AM, Mike Harris via Elecraft wrote: 
> I use a donated Heil FS-3 foot switch plugged into PTT IN and it works 
> perfectly. 
> 
> Try plugging a short circuit RCA plug into the K3 and checking if it 
> keys or not. The only other RCA socket in that line is KEY OUT to the 
> linear! 
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Mike VP8NO 
> 
> On 28/07/2020 13:11, kg6mzs wrote: 
>> Hello All, 
>> 
>> I've connected a Heil foot switch to to rear panel PTT In RCA jack 
>> and it doesn't key my K3. 
>> 
>> I searched the archives here and found that Don W3FPR had suggested 
>> testing the foot switch of another unfortunate, Dick K9OM, who 
>> suffered the same problem. This thread went unresolved, AFAICT. 
>> 
>> I've tested the Heil and it checks out. 
>> 
>> Any ideas as to why my foot switch will not key the K3? 
>> 
>> TIA, 
>> 
>> Eric 
>> 
>> KG6MZS 
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From ai4ns.mike at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 17:32:07 2020
From: ai4ns.mike at gmail.com (Mike Short)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 16:32:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX-3, PX3, KXPA100 For Sale
Message-ID: <CAL7rsnEX8xcU4uTVBsJuG2LE-SHRRFz5xz8Gg9_Y71X7vq1FBg@mail.gmail.com>

I have the below for sale as a set.

Original cost:
KXPD3_KX3 Precision Iambic Keyer Paddle $169.95
KXPA100 100 W External Amplifier-Modular Kit (incl. DC power cable)
$1,039.95
PX3 Panadapter Kit $659.95
KXBC3_Internal NiMH Charger / Real-Time Clock (Kit) $89.95
KXFL3_KX3 Dual-Passband Roofing Filter (Kit) $169.95
KX3-K_KX3 160-6M Transceiver, Kit - Free Shipping Summer Special $1,149.95
Pro Audio Power Supply and Cables $70.00
Total       $3,349.70

I am asking $2900 shipped to US. Elsewhere  shipping costs.

Mike
AI4NS

From contact at kg6mzs.net  Tue Jul 28 18:32:38 2020
From: contact at kg6mzs.net (kg6mzs)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 15:32:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Foot Switch Doesn't Work
In-Reply-To: <1897414696.947711.1595971729959.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
References: <1897414696.947711.1595971729959.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
Message-ID: <3078e24d-cc7c-df91-f9cb-cac0631a9f74@kg6mzs.net>

Yes, when connected to the front panel jack, the PTT in the Kenwood 
MC-60 works just fine.


Eric KG6MZS


On 7/28/20 2:28 PM, donovanf at erols.com wrote:
> Does the PTT in the microphone connector work?
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

From jimk0xu at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 18:50:57 2020
From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 17:50:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Foot Switch Doesn't Work
In-Reply-To: <3078e24d-cc7c-df91-f9cb-cac0631a9f74@kg6mzs.net>
References: <1897414696.947711.1595971729959.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
	<3078e24d-cc7c-df91-f9cb-cac0631a9f74@kg6mzs.net>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4Y+0y-pzj+uXiuFvKFa1ipmj4swm0CehhRFiU4C_eXzMQ@mail.gmail.com>

When I check my PTT in port it shows about 4.75 V and 0.1 mA at the other
end of an RCA cable. What does yours read?


On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 5:33 PM kg6mzs <contact at kg6mzs.net> wrote:

> Yes, when connected to the front panel jack, the PTT in the Kenwood
> MC-60 works just fine.
>
>
> Eric KG6MZS
>
>
> On 7/28/20 2:28 PM, donovanf at erols.com wrote:
> > Does the PTT in the microphone connector work?
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
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From contact at kg6mzs.net  Tue Jul 28 19:16:34 2020
From: contact at kg6mzs.net (kg6mzs)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 16:16:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Foot Switch Doesn't Work
In-Reply-To: <CALhxr4Y+0y-pzj+uXiuFvKFa1ipmj4swm0CehhRFiU4C_eXzMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1897414696.947711.1595971729959.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
	<3078e24d-cc7c-df91-f9cb-cac0631a9f74@kg6mzs.net>
	<CALhxr4Y+0y-pzj+uXiuFvKFa1ipmj4swm0CehhRFiU4C_eXzMQ@mail.gmail.com>
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4.98v and 000 mA

On 7/28/20 3:50 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote:
> When I check my PTT in port it shows about 4.75 V and 0.1 mA at the 
> other end of an RCA cable. What does yours read?
>

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Jul 28 19:18:47 2020
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 19:18:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Foot Switch Doesn't Work
In-Reply-To: <CALhxr4Y+0y-pzj+uXiuFvKFa1ipmj4swm0CehhRFiU4C_eXzMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1897414696.947711.1595971729959.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
	<3078e24d-cc7c-df91-f9cb-cac0631a9f74@kg6mzs.net>
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Message-ID: <fe87b167-fe6f-e295-e2d1-aff0813d0fda@embarqmail.com>

Are you certain you have connected to the PTT IN jack.  If you just felt 
your way behind the K3, you could have plugged into the KEY OUT jack 
instead.

Make Jim's check on the voltage at the other end of an RCA cable, but as 
an extra step, short that RCA cable and see if it lights the red TX LED.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/28/2020 6:50 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote:
> When I check my PTT in port it shows about 4.75 V and 0.1 mA at the other
> end of an RCA cable. What does yours read?
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 5:33 PM kg6mzs <contact at kg6mzs.net> wrote:
> 
>> Yes, when connected to the front panel jack, the PTT in the Kenwood
>> MC-60 works just fine.

From donovanf at erols.com  Tue Jul 28 19:29:33 2020
From: donovanf at erols.com (donovanf at erols.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 19:29:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Foot Switch Doesn't Work
In-Reply-To: <3078e24d-cc7c-df91-f9cb-cac0631a9f74@kg6mzs.net>
Message-ID: <1200553328.984947.1595978973074.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>


Hi Eric, 


My PTT jack has 4.9 volts when unkeyed. 


This is certainly a mysterious problem... If your microphone PTT 
works then the electronics in your K3 is working properly. 


As far as I know the microphone PTT and PTT jack on the rear of the 
K3 are connected together! In a pinch it wouldn't be difficult to 
build a simple cable that allows you to use the microphone PTT 
instead of the rear panel PTT jack. Heil microphone adapters 
already do that for you. 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 




----- Original Message -----

From: "kg6mzs" <contact at kg6mzs.net> 
To: donovanf at erols.com, elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 10:32:38 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Foot Switch Doesn't Work 


Yes, when connected to the front panel jack, the PTT in the Kenwood MC-60 works just fine. 


Eric KG6MZS 


On 7/28/20 2:28 PM, donovanf at erols.com wrote: 



Does the PTT in the microphone connector work? 

----- Original Message -----





From jasimmons at pinewooddata.com  Tue Jul 28 21:58:49 2020
From: jasimmons at pinewooddata.com (John Simmons)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 20:58:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 feature suggestion
Message-ID: <a610d35a-f137-90b2-5f07-6dcf064c0ca6@pinewooddata.com>

Stolen from Facebook:
Programmable PTT so that when using VOX on SSB, the PTT functions as a 
mute (cough) switch

-- 
73,
-de John NI0K
https://www.qrz.com/db/NI0K

From josh at voodoolab.com  Tue Jul 28 22:59:20 2020
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 19:59:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 feature suggestion
In-Reply-To: <a610d35a-f137-90b2-5f07-6dcf064c0ca6@pinewooddata.com>
References: <a610d35a-f137-90b2-5f07-6dcf064c0ca6@pinewooddata.com>
Message-ID: <0C733321-D161-4A8D-BF1C-B59D25DFD3C6@voodoolab.com>

That is fantastic! Can it be added to K3? I would love this feature. 

73
Josh W6XU

Sent from my mobile device

> On Jul 28, 2020, at 6:59 PM, John Simmons <jasimmons at pinewooddata.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Stolen from Facebook:
> Programmable PTT so that when using VOX on SSB, the PTT functions as a mute (cough) switch
> 
> -- 
> 73,
> -de John NI0K
> https://www.qrz.com/db/NI0K
> 


From jimk0xu at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 22:58:28 2020
From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 21:58:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Foot Switch Doesn't Work
In-Reply-To: <fe87b167-fe6f-e295-e2d1-aff0813d0fda@embarqmail.com>
References: <1897414696.947711.1595971729959.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
	<3078e24d-cc7c-df91-f9cb-cac0631a9f74@kg6mzs.net>
	<CALhxr4Y+0y-pzj+uXiuFvKFa1ipmj4swm0CehhRFiU4C_eXzMQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<fe87b167-fe6f-e295-e2d1-aff0813d0fda@embarqmail.com>
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Yes, and the 0.1 mA was with the rig in transmit due to the ammeter across
the contacts. ;-) If it doesn't come close to these values look for a
corroded jack or an open connection on the jack.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 6:19 PM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Are you certain you have connected to the PTT IN jack.  If you just felt
> your way behind the K3, you could have plugged into the KEY OUT jack
> instead.
>
> Make Jim's check on the voltage at the other end of an RCA cable, but as
> an extra step, short that RCA cable and see if it lights the red TX LED.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/28/2020 6:50 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote:
> > When I check my PTT in port it shows about 4.75 V and 0.1 mA at the other
> > end of an RCA cable. What does yours read?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 5:33 PM kg6mzs <contact at kg6mzs.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, when connected to the front panel jack, the PTT in the Kenwood
> >> MC-60 works just fine.
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From ted.roycraft at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 23:11:55 2020
From: ted.roycraft at gmail.com (Ted Roycraft)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 23:11:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft July Newsletter
Message-ID: <CAEhjuxG5K6i22OL3p=X=XBf-bcPRp2WMgqw_ToeYFojtp2nEaQ@mail.gmail.com>

I received the Elecraft July Newsletter tonight. It supposedly contained a
K4 Update but the only thing I saw in this ?update? was a reference to a
talk that Eric will be giving in early August at the Virtual Ham Expo where
he will give the actual K4 Update. Did I read that wrong?  Will we be
pleased when we hear his update?

Thanks and 73,
Ted, W2ZK

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 23:36:03 2020
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 23:36:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 feature suggestion
In-Reply-To: <a610d35a-f137-90b2-5f07-6dcf064c0ca6@pinewooddata.com>
References: <a610d35a-f137-90b2-5f07-6dcf064c0ca6@pinewooddata.com>
Message-ID: <2F129961-17C5-413F-BA3A-544E26A101F8@gmail.com>

This isn?t a bad idea.  It?s the primary reason I normally don?t use VOX ? especially with a headset mic, when you can?t turn away from the microphone for a cough, sneeze, or worse.  With a headset, I most always use a handheld PTT switch or foot switch.

In the days I had a substantial AM station I had a cough switch in the mic line.

Grant NQ5T

> On Jul 28, 2020, at 9:58 PM, John Simmons <jasimmons at pinewooddata.com> wrote:
> 
> Stolen from Facebook:
> Programmable PTT so that when using VOX on SSB, the PTT functions as a mute (cough) switch
> 
> -- 
> 73,
> -de John NI0K
> https://www.qrz.com/db/NI0K
> ______________________________________________________________


From hs0zed at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 01:52:40 2020
From: hs0zed at gmail.com (Martin Sole)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:52:40 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 feature suggestion
In-Reply-To: <2F129961-17C5-413F-BA3A-544E26A101F8@gmail.com>
References: <a610d35a-f137-90b2-5f07-6dcf064c0ca6@pinewooddata.com>
	<2F129961-17C5-413F-BA3A-544E26A101F8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <db75d180-7852-fd69-8a01-9f5c312a11c3@gmail.com>

A cough switch sounds like a great idea, but a bit low tech. K3 users 
are mostly familiar with the Tx Gate function that blocks audio below a 
threshold level to reduce background noise. Would it not be possible to 
recognise audio input above a certain pre-settable level and have that 
also block transmission. Normally a cough or sneeze is much louder than 
our normal speech (ignore this if you purchase larynx oil and practice 
for the appearance of P5 on a regular basis!).

Martin, HS0ZED



On 29/7/63 10:36, Grant Youngman wrote:
> This isn?t a bad idea.  It?s the primary reason I normally don?t use VOX ? especially with a headset mic, when you can?t turn away from the microphone for a cough, sneeze, or worse.  With a headset, I most always use a handheld PTT switch or foot switch.
>
> In the days I had a substantial AM station I had a cough switch in the mic line.
>
> Grant NQ5T
>
>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 9:58 PM, John Simmons <jasimmons at pinewooddata.com> wrote:
>>
>> Stolen from Facebook:
>> Programmable PTT so that when using VOX on SSB, the PTT functions as a mute (cough) switch
>>
>> -- 
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>> -de John NI0K
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From stuff at ahebden.com  Wed Jul 29 08:54:01 2020
From: stuff at ahebden.com (Andrew Hebden)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:54:01 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Foot Switch Doesn't Work
In-Reply-To: <b9106cee-e2d6-c1e8-aea1-0f7cecdaca61@kg6mzs.net>
References: <b9106cee-e2d6-c1e8-aea1-0f7cecdaca61@kg6mzs.net>
Message-ID: <002a01d665a7$5568be80$003a3b80$@ahebden.com>

Hi,
I went through something similar but it turned out to be the centre contact on the PTT IN phono socket in the K3S. I tested the voltage on the socket and everything seemed fine, also checked the cabling and microswitch on the foot switch. Upon further inspection it looked like the inner connection on the socket appeared to be splayed out slightly and just didn't make contact. In fairness I did get the odd occasion that it worked but was certainly not reliable. I had tried other phono plugs but to no avail.
Rather than open up the box I slightly squeezed the phono plug on the footswitch to an oval shape. Not had a problem since.
Must remember to fix the socket at some point.

Andrew
G8BYB
-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of kg6mzs
Sent: 28 July 2020 17:11

Hello All,

I've connected a Heil foot switch to to rear panel PTT In RCA jack and it doesn't key my K3.

I searched the archives here  and found that Don W3FPR had suggested testing the foot switch of another unfortunate, Dick K9OM, who suffered the same problem.  This thread went unresolved, AFAICT.

I've tested the Heil and it checks out.

Any ideas as to why my foot switch will not key the K3?

TIA,

Eric

KG6MZS



From mcoslo at comcast.net  Tue Jul 28 23:44:05 2020
From: mcoslo at comcast.net (Michael Coslo)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 23:44:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft July Newsletter
In-Reply-To: <CAEhjuxG5K6i22OL3p=X=XBf-bcPRp2WMgqw_ToeYFojtp2nEaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEhjuxG5K6i22OL3p=X=XBf-bcPRp2WMgqw_ToeYFojtp2nEaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <734C733E-F6B1-4441-92CF-C1FC58808915@comcast.net>

One of the aspects of making a top notch SDR radio is that while it is not too hard making a fair SDR  - think Icom 7300 - making a really good one is a lot harder. Icom kinda gets a C grade on their 7610. 

So a radio that is going to compete with the likes of the Flex 6600 or 6700 is going to be a lot harder task.

So Elecraft is probably working their keisters off to hit specs. The wait is frustrating, but it?s best if they get it done right. 

Note 2. I?ve come here because our club has a K3S setup. My personal radio is a Flex 6600.  This group is pretty good IMO.

- 73 - 
- Michael Coslo -
Frequency Coordinator, Beaver Stadium
814-404-3991
mjc5 at psu.edu
mjcn3li at gmail.com

> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:11 PM, Ted Roycraft <ted.roycraft at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I received the Elecraft July Newsletter tonight. It supposedly contained a
> K4 Update but the only thing I saw in this ?update? was a reference to a
> talk that Eric will be giving in early August at the Virtual Ham Expo where
> he will give the actual K4 Update. Did I read that wrong?  Will we be
> pleased when we hear his update?
> 
> Thanks and 73,
> Ted, W2ZK
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From n1rj at roadrunner.com  Wed Jul 29 10:15:10 2020
From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 10:15:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KIOB3B for K3
Message-ID: <cf5217e6-75e6-8fdf-8873-f97f3cd68bf7@roadrunner.com>

Apparently this card is no longer available. Does anyone know what the
price was?

73, Roger

From jimk0xu at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 10:22:00 2020
From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 09:22:00 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KIOB3B for K3
In-Reply-To: <cf5217e6-75e6-8fdf-8873-f97f3cd68bf7@roadrunner.com>
References: <cf5217e6-75e6-8fdf-8873-f97f3cd68bf7@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4Z7R-XzVwc6SOedwqCY1R8098Gp_YstvexRGVZCy0i6bQ@mail.gmail.com>

Mine was $399.95 when I ordered last year.


On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 9:15 AM Roger D Johnson <n1rj at roadrunner.com> wrote:

> Apparently this card is no longer available. Does anyone know what the
> price was?
>
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From ve3dss at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 29 10:41:11 2020
From: ve3dss at hotmail.com (Dana)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 10:41:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KI03 Damaged
Message-ID: <BN7PR11MB26748D68295B5C25702F7D218B700@BN7PR11MB2674.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

HI all? 

My K3 suffered some EMP damage from a recent T storm? I?ve found L4 on the KIO3 remote IO board open with evidence of heating on it?.not sure what else may have been nuked.

If I turn on the radio with the KIO3 in  the radio boots up but then switches between TX and RX about 1/ sec ? everything else seems normal.
If I try to connect via RS232 it just goes into TX ? 

If I pull the board all appears functionally normal.

Has anyone experienced this similar issue when the IO gets damaged?

Does anyone have a spare KIO3 board that they may have pulled and saved when upgrading to the USB IO set up, or any suggestions as to what else may be damaged , like U1 ?

Thanks in advance 
73 Dana VE3DS
Toronto

From contact at kg6mzs.net  Wed Jul 29 10:54:20 2020
From: contact at kg6mzs.net (kg6mzs)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 07:54:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Foot Switch Doesn't Work - Now Working
In-Reply-To: <002a01d665a7$5568be80$003a3b80$@ahebden.com>
References: <b9106cee-e2d6-c1e8-aea1-0f7cecdaca61@kg6mzs.net>
	<002a01d665a7$5568be80$003a3b80$@ahebden.com>
Message-ID: <8684cd9d-de57-4b33-5a9f-95b88082bdd5@kg6mzs.net>

Hello Reflector,

For absolutely no reason I can discern the footswitch is working this 
morning.

While I am happy about that, I know that it just didn't start working 
because it "felt like it" like some woo woo types might suggest.? I sure 
would like to know what the ghost in the machine really was.

I guess we don't get to know everything.

Thanks to all who took time to help me.? I really appreciate it!

73 Eric KG6MZS

On 7/29/20 5:54 AM, Andrew Hebden wrote:

> Hi,
> I went through something similar but it turned out to be the centre contact on the PTT IN phono socket in the K3S. I tested the voltage on the socket and everything seemed fine, also checked the cabling and microswitch on the foot switch. Upon further inspection it looked like the inner connection on the socket appeared to be splayed out slightly and just didn't make contact. In fairness I did get the odd occasion that it worked but was certainly not reliable. I had tried other phono plugs but to no avail.
> Rather than open up the box I slightly squeezed the phono plug on the footswitch to an oval shape. Not had a problem since.
> Must remember to fix the socket at some point.
>
> Andrew
> G8BYB

From joseph.durnal at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 10:58:44 2020
From: joseph.durnal at gmail.com (Joseph M. Durnal)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 10:58:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KIOB3B for K3
In-Reply-To: <cf5217e6-75e6-8fdf-8873-f97f3cd68bf7@roadrunner.com>
References: <cf5217e6-75e6-8fdf-8873-f97f3cd68bf7@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <CAAbqqEPOX7FNkro9pKnZdr0KSFNiJdXs6hPEdakg+6fywQQo2g@mail.gmail.com>

That is a shame, it is a really good upgrade for the K3.  A bit expensive
at $399, but I'm really glad I did it.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:15 AM Roger D Johnson <n1rj at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> Apparently this card is no longer available. Does anyone know what the
> price was?
>
> 73, Roger
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From deelstra at xmission.com  Wed Jul 29 11:09:12 2020
From: deelstra at xmission.com (David Deelstra)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 09:09:12 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Cable for K3 to Ameritron ALS-1300/ARI-500
Message-ID: <ee5cd71f-96a7-9a92-9de2-80012f443933@xmission.com>

On 2020-07-28 8:54 AM, Eric Norris wrote:
  > Would one of N6TV boxes work?

No, one would still need the RJ45 cable to connect to the ARI-500.

However *if one had the necessary documentation*, it should take
less than 10 minutes with a soldering iron to replace the RJ45
connector on one end of a CAT5 patch cable with a DB15HD.  Not
something that should be beyond the skills of any Elecraft owner.

73,

     ... Joe, W4TV

Here is the necessary documentation:

http://ww.ameritron.com/Downloads/index.php?productid=ARI-500&filename=ARI-500.pdf&company=ameritron

You can use an SVGA cable, cut off one end and crimp an RJ-45 plug.

73,
Dave N7ISH

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From n6tv at arrl.net  Wed Jul 29 11:18:17 2020
From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:18:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Cable for K3 to Ameritron ALS-1300/ARI-500
In-Reply-To: <ee5cd71f-96a7-9a92-9de2-80012f443933@xmission.com>
References: <ee5cd71f-96a7-9a92-9de2-80012f443933@xmission.com>
Message-ID: <CAOmNKGJCkUCkkFcjFHQ5pY2DCSS+gnEmR1bghkN1A354oN4wCg@mail.gmail.com>

NEVER connect an SVGA cable to an Elecraft ACC/AUX port, unless you have a
way to test every single pin.  Many of these cables short all the "ground"
pins together (there are 5 of them), or omit Pin 9 (K3 Band2 OUT), so they
won't work at all and could cause damage.

73,
Bob, N6TV

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 8:10 AM David Deelstra <deelstra at xmission.com>
wrote:

> Here is the necessary documentation:
>
>
> http://ww.ameritron.com/Downloads/index.php?productid=ARI-500&filename=ARI-500.pdf&company=ameritron
>
> You can use an SVGA cable, cut off one end and crimp an RJ-45 plug.

From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Wed Jul 29 11:54:44 2020
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 07:54:44 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: interference on 50.313
Message-ID: <202007291554.06TFsjd0030717@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>

Had a strange signal on 50.313 a couple days ago.  To memory it was 
centered on 1500 Hz and about 1000-Hz wide.  I went about looking for 
sources and disconnecting cables.  With all antenna connections 
disconnected it was still there (oh bad).  But I also wondered if a 
setting might have changed to produce it.  Recently a question about 
setting up FT8 on the K3 had me going thru my settings so I rechecked 
them.  Strangely clicking XFIL button cleared the display of the 
interfering signal.

Hmm I said to myself, noting that button also controls DUAL 
PB.  Could activating dual-PB in DATA-A mode produce this 
"effect"?  Attempting to reproduce it with the XFIL/DUAL PB button 
was unsuccessful (which is OK).  So this remains a mystery signal 
(apparently internal to the K3)?

Experts any guesses on what it was?

73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 


From rickw8zt at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 12:34:52 2020
From: rickw8zt at gmail.com (Rick Robinson)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 12:34:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Foot Switch Doesn't Work - Now Working
In-Reply-To: <8684cd9d-de57-4b33-5a9f-95b88082bdd5@kg6mzs.net>
References: <b9106cee-e2d6-c1e8-aea1-0f7cecdaca61@kg6mzs.net>
	<002a01d665a7$5568be80$003a3b80$@ahebden.com>
	<8684cd9d-de57-4b33-5a9f-95b88082bdd5@kg6mzs.net>
Message-ID: <CALvs4h_Q8t3NOoOMWCLjqSsAwOUWtxO9N_SQb=6xw3XgX0Zb8g@mail.gmail.com>

Along the same line, use this thinking with your PL259/SO239 connectors.
Sometimes even new ones don?t make a solid connection.

>
>
> --
Rick Genesis 1-29

From exbpi at comcast.net  Wed Jul 29 12:48:10 2020
From: exbpi at comcast.net (exbpi at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 09:48:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KI03 Damaged
In-Reply-To: <BN7PR11MB26748D68295B5C25702F7D218B700@BN7PR11MB2674.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN7PR11MB26748D68295B5C25702F7D218B700@BN7PR11MB2674.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <006701d665c8$0b4d7ae0$21e870a0$@comcast.net>

Dana,

I do have a perfectly working spare...let me take a look today as I have a bunch of spares for the Elecraft lines that I need to quantify...let me know if you are interested.

Mike
K7PI

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Dana
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 07:41
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KI03 Damaged

HI all? 

My K3 suffered some EMP damage from a recent T storm? I?ve found L4 on the KIO3 remote IO board open with evidence of heating on it?.not sure what else may have been nuked.

If I turn on the radio with the KIO3 in  the radio boots up but then switches between TX and RX about 1/ sec ? everything else seems normal.
If I try to connect via RS232 it just goes into TX ? 

If I pull the board all appears functionally normal.

Has anyone experienced this similar issue when the IO gets damaged?

Does anyone have a spare KIO3 board that they may have pulled and saved when upgrading to the USB IO set up, or any suggestions as to what else may be damaged , like U1 ?

Thanks in advance
73 Dana VE3DS
Toronto
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From donovanf at erols.com  Wed Jul 29 12:49:50 2020
From: donovanf at erols.com (donovanf at erols.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 12:49:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Reliable PL-259 UHF connector engagement
In-Reply-To: <CALvs4h_Q8t3NOoOMWCLjqSsAwOUWtxO9N_SQb=6xw3XgX0Zb8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <105059871.1324771.1596041390685.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>

PL-259's are excellent connectors when installed and used correctly. 
Unlike N and BNC connectors, a PL-259 is dependent on proper 
engagement of its outer shell and interconnecting teeth to the mating 
SO-239 socket. 


Use a small pair of pliers to snug up -- not tighten -- the shell. 
Be careful not to crush the shell by exuberant use of force! 
It takes just a few seconds to assure a reliable connection. 


When engaging the center pin, be suspicious if the mating force 
is unusually low. 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Rick Robinson" <rickw8zt at gmail.com> 
Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 4:34:52 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Foot Switch Doesn't Work - Now Working 

Along the same line, use this thinking with your PL259/SO239 connectors. 
Sometimes even new ones don?t make a solid connection. 

> 
> 
> -- 
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From a.durbin at msn.com  Wed Jul 29 14:12:48 2020
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 18:12:48 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Reliable PL-259 UHF connector engagement
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB2968D3FF047848362B8AAF538C700@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

When I worked in the aerospace industry it was common practice to use special "pliers" for removing "Cannon" multi-pin round connectors.  These were not any old plumber's pipe wrench (you know - the ones that plumbers use to destroy chrome finish bathroom fittings) but a special tool designed for this purpose.  The jaws were rubber padded and exactly the right shape to match the connector locking ring.

If a tool is need to secure a PL-259 then someone will have manufactured a similar tool.  Can anyone point me to an advertisement or data sheet for one?   If not, I'll continue to use my fingers.

Andy, k3wyc

From n1rj at roadrunner.com  Wed Jul 29 14:19:13 2020
From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:19:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  For Sale: K3/100 s/n 2578
Message-ID: <61890787-6670-adb9-76fb-3f2dad355d81@roadrunner.com>

I discovered that I had not upgraded to the KIOB3B card which provides
a sound card and USB connection.

I'm dropping the price to $2300 accordingly.


Has virtually all options except VHF converters and KBPF3 on aux receiver.
6, 2.7 and 0.5 kHz filters in main RX; 2.7 and 0.5 hHz filters in aux RX.

Went back to Mothership in Jul 2016 for TLC and upgrades.

Please contact me directly with any questions: n1rj at roadrunner.com

Asking $2500 plus shipping

73, Roger

______________________________________________________________

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Wed Jul 29 14:21:15 2020
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 11:21:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Reliable PL-259 UHF connector engagement
In-Reply-To: <105059871.1324771.1596041390685.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
References: <105059871.1324771.1596041390685.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
Message-ID: <70F33E35-9D6D-498F-9FB7-1701DE6BEC5D@wunderwood.org>

> On Jul 29, 2020, at 9:49 AM, donovanf at erols.com wrote:
> 
> Unlike N and BNC connectors, a PL-259 is dependent on proper 
> engagement of its outer shell and interconnecting teeth to the mating 
> SO-239 socket. 

That is exactly why I consider UHF connectors to be a poor design. 
I use connectors which are designed to connect without special effort.
Seriously, that is the main point of a connector, to connect.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Jul 29 14:32:48 2020
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 11:32:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Reliable PL-259 UHF connector engagement
In-Reply-To: <70F33E35-9D6D-498F-9FB7-1701DE6BEC5D@wunderwood.org>
References: <105059871.1324771.1596041390685.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
	<70F33E35-9D6D-498F-9FB7-1701DE6BEC5D@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <528b1986-8adb-6854-fa11-1de1e0b5d912@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/29/2020 11:21 AM, Walter Underwood wrote:
> That is exactly why I consider UHF connectors to be a poor design.

There's nothing wrong with REAL UHF connectors, like Amphenol 83-1SP, 
and surplus adapters stamped with MIL spec numbers. It's the cheap junk 
connectors that cause the problems. My definition of a junk connector 
(in North America) is one that doesn't carry an Amphenol part number or 
MIL-spec number.

73, Jim K9YC

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Wed Jul 29 14:46:47 2020
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 11:46:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Reliable PL-259 UHF connector engagement
In-Reply-To: <528b1986-8adb-6854-fa11-1de1e0b5d912@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <105059871.1324771.1596041390685.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
	<70F33E35-9D6D-498F-9FB7-1701DE6BEC5D@wunderwood.org>
	<528b1986-8adb-6854-fa11-1de1e0b5d912@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <D8D4C497-AD3E-48D6-87F3-73FE0CA8F2D4@wunderwood.org>

I?m sure those are excellently manufactured, but the teeth are a poor design.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jul 29, 2020, at 11:32 AM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> 
> On 7/29/2020 11:21 AM, Walter Underwood wrote:
>> That is exactly why I consider UHF connectors to be a poor design.
> 
> There's nothing wrong with REAL UHF connectors, like Amphenol 83-1SP, and surplus adapters stamped with MIL spec numbers. It's the cheap junk connectors that cause the problems. My definition of a junk connector (in North America) is one that doesn't carry an Amphenol part number or MIL-spec number.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From gdanner12 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 15:02:16 2020
From: gdanner12 at gmail.com (George Danner)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:02:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Reliable PL-259 UHF connector engagement
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB2968D3FF047848362B8AAF538C700@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB2968D3FF047848362B8AAF538C700@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <7b528555-286b-968e-9e25-bffd9b2ef614@gmail.com>

Andy,

In the 60s & 70s, we had a screwdriver like tool for removing and 
inserting PL-259 connectors in patch-bays in TV stations. It was a 
screwdriver handle and shaft with a steel tube slightly smaller than the 
pl-259. The tube had a longitudinal slot that was big enough for the 
cable to slip through. The side of the tube away from the slot was 
welded to the screwdriver shaft. You slipped the tube over the cable and 
then followed the cable to the connector. We had 3 of these with various 
lengths from a few inches to a very long one that was probably 18" or so.

We switched from UHF to BNC connectors for video because the connector 
density with solid state equipment had increase the connector density so 
that most of the rack space was for connector panels not electronics. We 
quickly found the equivalent for BNC as well. I believe we bought them 
from Pasternak but not sure.

I suspect that the tools were far more expensive than should have been 
since we only had two sets. One set at the studio & one set at the 
transmitter.

73

George AI4VZ

On 7/29/20 2:12 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:
> When I worked in the aerospace industry it was common practice to use special "pliers" for removing "Cannon" multi-pin round connectors.  These were not any old plumber's pipe wrench (you know - the ones that plumbers use to destroy chrome finish bathroom fittings) but a special tool designed for this purpose.  The jaws were rubber padded and exactly the right shape to match the connector locking ring.
>

From ak5x at me.com  Wed Jul 29 15:21:35 2020
From: ak5x at me.com (William Hammond)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:21:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Reliable PL-259 UHF connector engagement
In-Reply-To: <7b528555-286b-968e-9e25-bffd9b2ef614@gmail.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB2968D3FF047848362B8AAF538C700@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<7b528555-286b-968e-9e25-bffd9b2ef614@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7EA78F9E-5808-43F6-AC8B-071D06F53561@me.com>

Perhaps looking something like this one (BNC)?  https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=6510 <https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=6510>

73, Bill-AK5X

> On Jul 29, 2020, at 2:02 PM, George Danner <gdanner12 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Andy,
> 
> In the 60s & 70s, we had a screwdriver like tool for removing and inserting PL-259 connectors in patch-bays in TV stations. It was a screwdriver handle and shaft with a steel tube slightly smaller than the pl-259. The tube had a longitudinal slot that was big enough for the cable to slip through. The side of the tube away from the slot was welded to the screwdriver shaft. You slipped the tube over the cable and then followed the cable to the connector. We had 3 of these with various lengths from a few inches to a very long one that was probably 18" or so.
> 
> We switched from UHF to BNC connectors for video because the connector density with solid state equipment had increase the connector density so that most of the rack space was for connector panels not electronics. We quickly found the equivalent for BNC as well. I believe we bought them from Pasternak but not sure.
> 
> I suspect that the tools were far more expensive than should have been since we only had two sets. One set at the studio & one set at the transmitter.
> 
> 73
> 
> George AI4VZ
> 
> On 7/29/20 2:12 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:
>> When I worked in the aerospace industry it was common practice to use special "pliers" for removing "Cannon" multi-pin round connectors.  These were not any old plumber's pipe wrench (you know - the ones that plumbers use to destroy chrome finish bathroom fittings) but a special tool designed for this purpose.  The jaws were rubber padded and exactly the right shape to match the connector locking ring.
>> 
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From w7xu at w7xu.com  Wed Jul 29 15:25:49 2020
From: w7xu at w7xu.com (Arliss)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:25:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Reliable PL-259 UHF connector engagement
In-Reply-To: <528b1986-8adb-6854-fa11-1de1e0b5d912@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <105059871.1324771.1596041390685.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
	<70F33E35-9D6D-498F-9FB7-1701DE6BEC5D@wunderwood.org>
	<528b1986-8adb-6854-fa11-1de1e0b5d912@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <5F21CD3D.2040105@w7xu.com>

Except that several REAL Amphenol UHF connectors I ordered, which 
arrived in sealed plastic bags, had no threads on the inside of 
the coupling rings. The remainder of the connectors in the 
shipment were just fine.

73, Arliss  W7XU


On 7/29/2020 1:32 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 7/29/2020 11:21 AM, Walter Underwood wrote:
>> That is exactly why I consider UHF connectors to be a poor design.
>
> There's nothing wrong with REAL UHF connectors, like Amphenol
> 83-1SP, and surplus adapters stamped with MIL spec numbers. It's
> the cheap junk connectors that cause the problems. My definition
> of a junk connector (in North America) is one that doesn't carry
> an Amphenol part number or MIL-spec number.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC

From jimk0xu at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 15:29:10 2020
From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 14:29:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Foot Switch Doesn't Work - Now Working
In-Reply-To: <8684cd9d-de57-4b33-5a9f-95b88082bdd5@kg6mzs.net>
References: <b9106cee-e2d6-c1e8-aea1-0f7cecdaca61@kg6mzs.net>
	<002a01d665a7$5568be80$003a3b80$@ahebden.com>
	<8684cd9d-de57-4b33-5a9f-95b88082bdd5@kg6mzs.net>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4Zx=N7-9EGm5RmcjEGfnxUa2_XWV4_QP+narAgacqK+wA@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe there was some corrosion or something similar one the inside of the
jack and all the plugging and unplugging I imagine you did the last couple
of days cleared enough to bring the resistance down to the point it will
work. You might want to spray some contact cleaner in there and exercise it
some more. Just to keep it working.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020, 09:55 kg6mzs <contact at kg6mzs.net> wrote:

> Hello Reflector,
>
> For absolutely no reason I can discern the footswitch is working this
> morning.
>
> While I am happy about that, I know that it just didn't start working
> because it "felt like it" like some woo woo types might suggest.  I sure
> would like to know what the ghost in the machine really was.
>
> I guess we don't get to know everything.
>
> Thanks to all who took time to help me.  I really appreciate it!
>
> 73 Eric KG6MZS
>
> On 7/29/20 5:54 AM, Andrew Hebden wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I went through something similar but it turned out to be the centre
> contact on the PTT IN phono socket in the K3S. I tested the voltage on the
> socket and everything seemed fine, also checked the cabling and microswitch
> on the foot switch. Upon further inspection it looked like the inner
> connection on the socket appeared to be splayed out slightly and just
> didn't make contact. In fairness I did get the odd occasion that it worked
> but was certainly not reliable. I had tried other phono plugs but to no
> avail.
> > Rather than open up the box I slightly squeezed the phono plug on the
> footswitch to an oval shape. Not had a problem since.
> > Must remember to fix the socket at some point.
> >
> > Andrew
> > G8BYB
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From pubx1 at af2z.net  Wed Jul 29 15:49:49 2020
From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:49:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Reliable PL-259 UHF connector engagement
In-Reply-To: <5F21CD3D.2040105@w7xu.com>
References: <105059871.1324771.1596041390685.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
	<70F33E35-9D6D-498F-9FB7-1701DE6BEC5D@wunderwood.org>
	<528b1986-8adb-6854-fa11-1de1e0b5d912@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<5F21CD3D.2040105@w7xu.com>
Message-ID: <b81fe8f3-82e2-9cb1-a172-1c6a0604d1fc@af2z.net>

Similar experience here: threading defect.

Amphenol is an offshore product. Need I say more? Only this-- make sure 
to test the threading & fit of the plugs on your equipment sockets 
*before* soldering them to cables.

73,
Drew
AF2Z





On 07/29/20 14:25, Arliss wrote:
> Except that several REAL Amphenol UHF connectors I ordered, which 
> arrived in sealed plastic bags, had no threads on the inside of the 
> coupling rings. The remainder of the connectors in the shipment were 
> just fine.
> 
> 73, Arliss? W7XU
> 
> 
> On 7/29/2020 1:32 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>> On 7/29/2020 11:21 AM, Walter Underwood wrote:
>>> That is exactly why I consider UHF connectors to be a poor design.
>>
>> There's nothing wrong with REAL UHF connectors, like Amphenol
>> 83-1SP, and surplus adapters stamped with MIL spec numbers. It's
>> the cheap junk connectors that cause the problems. My definition
>> of a junk connector (in North America) is one that doesn't carry
>> an Amphenol part number or MIL-spec number.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
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From mcoslo at comcast.net  Wed Jul 29 15:51:43 2020
From: mcoslo at comcast.net (Michael Coslo)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:51:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft July Newsletter
In-Reply-To: <CAEhjuxE9XCSppwKrkpQAH9HhJaWGk1h30u+LAYnz15avkHKZ3A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEhjuxG5K6i22OL3p=X=XBf-bcPRp2WMgqw_ToeYFojtp2nEaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<734C733E-F6B1-4441-92CF-C1FC58808915@comcast.net>
	<CAEhjuxE9XCSppwKrkpQAH9HhJaWGk1h30u+LAYnz15avkHKZ3A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F0E5FEB3-FA1F-4C44-B710-46C2D719C6BB@comcast.net>

Ted, I?m sorry - I didn?t say you weren?t getting it - or  didn?t mean to, just that there are many things that can hold up production. 

I do know that I too would be very frustrated if I paid for something that didn?t exist yet. Fortunately,  I?m the type that waits 6 months or more after a radio is out before thinking about picking one up. Mainly because I want to see what the product is going to be like. Just my temperament.

As far as Elecraft being a great company - yeah, they are okay. I?m surely no fan of them more than any other company, though. 

So anyhow, I do apologize for upsetting you - I surely didn?t mean to, but I did.
- 73 - 
- Michael Coslo N3LI -
Frequency Coordinator, Beaver Stadium
814-404-3991
mjc5 at psu.edu
mjcn3li at gmail.com

> On Jul 29, 2020, at 10:56 AM, Ted Roycraft <ted.roycraft at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes Michael, I get it. Elecraft is a great company. I?ve had Elecraft radios since 1999 - K2, K1X, and K3.  I?m not faulting Elecraft so much for the delay, but their communication about the delay. They are a privately held company and have a right not disclose their company secrets including problems, schedules, etc. but they effectively asked us to buy an informal stake in their company when they solicited full price deposits for the K4 while estimating delivery before the end of 2019. I think that entitles is to more timely information about delays and holdups. On August 8, it will be one year ago that I sent them $4000.00. 
> 
> I am a retired electrical engineer. I spent more than 35 years first designing hardware then developing software for a very large communications company. I know how the development process works. The delay they?re suffering is most definitely not due to they?re trying to build the perfect SDR. No, it?s due to more mundane problems like parts availability, availability of subcontractors, availability of their own workforce, and almost entirely due to other complications of being in business during a pandemic. Is it too much to ask of them to keep us posted when they know there is going to be a delay and not wait to announce it until the date that they last projected to start shipping?
> 
> In my posting, my only hint of my frustration was saying that I hoped that they will have good news for us in their K4 update during the Expo on August 8. 
> 
> Ted, W2ZK
> 
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 9:33 AM Michael Coslo <mcoslo at comcast.net> wrote:
> One of the aspects of making a top notch SDR radio is that while it is not too hard making a fair SDR  - think Icom 7300 - making a really good one is a lot harder. Icom kinda gets a C grade on their 7610. 
> 
> So a radio that is going to compete with the likes of the Flex 6600 or 6700 is going to be a lot harder task.
> 
> So Elecraft is probably working their keisters off to hit specs. The wait is frustrating, but it?s best if they get it done right. 
> 
> Note 2. I?ve come here because our club has a K3S setup. My personal radio is a Flex 6600.  This group is pretty good IMO.
> 
> - 73 - 
> - Michael Coslo -
> Frequency Coordinator, Beaver Stadium
> 814-404-3991
> mjc5 at psu.edu
> mjcn3li at gmail.com
> 
> > On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:11 PM, Ted Roycraft <ted.roycraft at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > I received the Elecraft July Newsletter tonight. It supposedly contained a
> > K4 Update but the only thing I saw in this ?update? was a reference to a
> > talk that Eric will be giving in early August at the Virtual Ham Expo where
> > he will give the actual K4 Update. Did I read that wrong?  Will we be
> > pleased when we hear his update?
> > 
> > Thanks and 73,
> > Ted, W2ZK
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From drzarkof56 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 29 16:16:06 2020
From: drzarkof56 at yahoo.com (Doug Millar)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 20:16:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Filter Question
References: <2112900231.6408958.1596053766694.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2112900231.6408958.1596053766694@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi, I have a KX3 that I like very much. I put in the filter modification. Does anyone have any specifications on how much the filter helps the receiver- like before and after? ? Thanks, Doug K6JEY 


 

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 16:38:29 2020
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 16:38:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Filter Question
In-Reply-To: <2112900231.6408958.1596053766694@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2112900231.6408958.1596053766694.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2112900231.6408958.1596053766694@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BEE59B17-A40F-4D56-9804-E304026F9CDF@gmail.com>

It acts much like the roofing filters in the K3.  Sherwood measured the difference in dynamic range at 2Khz spacing as being an improvement from 96 dB to 104 dB.  There?s some degradation noted at 1 KHz spacing limited by opposite sideband rejection, but the footnote isn?t clear whether this was after per band opposite sideband null optimization or not, and the extent to which that matters with or without the filter module in place.

Grant NQ5T

> On Jul 29, 2020, at 4:16 PM, Doug Millar via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi, I have a KX3 that I like very much. I put in the filter modification. Does anyone have any specifications on how much the filter helps the receiver- like before and after?   Thanks, Doug K6JEY 


From gdanner12 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 16:59:24 2020
From: gdanner12 at gmail.com (George Danner)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 16:59:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Reliable PL-259 UHF connector engagement
In-Reply-To: <7EA78F9E-5808-43F6-AC8B-071D06F53561@me.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB2968D3FF047848362B8AAF538C700@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<7b528555-286b-968e-9e25-bffd9b2ef614@gmail.com>
	<7EA78F9E-5808-43F6-AC8B-071D06F53561@me.com>
Message-ID: <e2ddac78-915b-6569-8e1e-baa01f28e92c@gmail.com>

Bill,
Looks very similar.
73
George? AI4VZ

On 7/29/20 3:21 PM, William Hammond wrote:
> Perhaps looking something like this one (BNC)? 
> https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=6510 
> <https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=6510>
>
> 73, Bill-AK5X
>
>> On Jul 29, 2020, at 2:02 PM, George Danner <gdanner12 at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:gdanner12 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Andy,
>>
>> In the 60s & 70s, we had a screwdriver like tool for removing and 
>> inserting PL-259 connectors in patch-bays in TV stations


From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Wed Jul 29 17:05:22 2020
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 17:05:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Reliable PL-259 UHF connector engagement
In-Reply-To: <70F33E35-9D6D-498F-9FB7-1701DE6BEC5D@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-3EA5ED90C6874EB89A3EF215F9036F41@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

As someone who is currently switching bands by going outside and 
replugging PL259s, I fully agree that other connectors, e.g. BNC 
would be nicer.

I have gotten in the habit of skipping pulling out my LeatherMan 
and instead joining the connection to the point where I can feel 
the teeth engaging and there is still some slop in the 
connection. I then gently work the two connectors together, 
trying to move them back and fourth until there is no slop and 
the connection is solid. It does seem to work.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 7/29/20 at 2:21 PM, wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) wrote:

>>On Jul 29, 2020, at 9:49 AM, donovanf at erols.com wrote:
>>
>>Unlike N and BNC connectors, a PL-259 is dependent on proper 
>>engagement of its outer shell and interconnecting teeth to the 
>>mating SO-239 socket.
>
>That is exactly why I consider UHF connectors to be a poor 
>design. I use connectors which are designed to connect without 
>special effort.
>Seriously, that is the main point of a connector, to connect.

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From ak5x at me.com  Wed Jul 29 17:25:47 2020
From: ak5x at me.com (Bill Hammond)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 16:25:47 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Reliable PL-259 UHF connector engagement
In-Reply-To: <e2ddac78-915b-6569-8e1e-baa01f28e92c@gmail.com>
References: <e2ddac78-915b-6569-8e1e-baa01f28e92c@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B645C28E-6902-4408-9432-7AE69A8E258D@me.com>

Hi George, I was over program services in Dallas back in the 1970?s for Southwestern Bell.  We provided the last mile for radio and TV remote operations.  I spent more than a little time handing off our end.   We also provided studio to transmitter links.  

I saw that tool in use at just about all the outlets.

Good times!!  I just lost my feed from CBS, help??

73,  Bill-AK5X


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 29, 2020, at 3:59 PM, George Danner <gdanner12 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ? Bill,
> Looks very similar. 
> 73
> George  AI4VZ
> 
> On 7/29/20 3:21 PM, William Hammond wrote:
>> Perhaps looking something like this one (BNC)?  https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=6510
>> 
>> 73, Bill-AK5X
>> 
>>> On Jul 29, 2020, at 2:02 PM, George Danner <gdanner12 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Andy,
>>> 
>>> In the 60s & 70s, we had a screwdriver like tool for removing and inserting PL-259 connectors in patch-bays in TV stations
> 

From ericrosenberg.dc at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 17:43:00 2020
From: ericrosenberg.dc at gmail.com (Eric Rosenberg)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 21:43:00 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Help needed: DX Patrol SDR and K3
Message-ID: <ema096118b-6711-4703-98ba-61e565df78de@eric>

I've been lent a DX Patrol MK4 SDR that I'd like to hook up to my K3.

I followed the directions for the installing the DLL... no problem 
there.

I can't get HSDR to work. The documentation, such that it is (in print 
from the manufacturer and a German YouTube video) is for an older model, 
talks about using the box as a direct receiver, not as a panadapter 
hooked up fed by the IF of another radio.

I'd like to use it with N1MM's spectrum display and Win4K3Suite, too.

Any help getting this combination to work is appreciated!

73,
Eric W3DQ

From w3ab at w3ab.org  Wed Jul 29 18:21:46 2020
From: w3ab at w3ab.org (w3ab)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 17:21:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Reliable PL-259 UHF connector engagement
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5875.1596056733.3115.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.5875.1596056733.3115.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <acdf0ba01297cfffb9ae83d7e07a55ff@w3ab.org>

I would suggest NOT using metal tools to tighten/loosen PL-259 
connectors. Too much of an opportunity to damage the connector.

The silicon "mat", for want of a better term, used to loosen jar lids is 
the way to go. Cut a piece ~3"L X 1"W and you have a good method to "get 
a grip" on the connector. This will work on numerous other connectors as 
well.

---
73 de W3AB/GEO

From donovanf at erols.com  Wed Jul 29 18:23:03 2020
From: donovanf at erols.com (donovanf at erols.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 18:23:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Reliable PL-259 UHF connector engagement
In-Reply-To: <r480Ps-10146i-3EA5ED90C6874EB89A3EF215F9036F41@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <1896527554.1478483.1596061383919.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>

Hi Bill, 


Both N and BNC connectors have their own unique issues... 


BNC connectors have rather poor shielding performance caused by 
imperfect axial alignment and limited engagement pressure, both 
of which are easily demonstrated by a VNA, especially above 20 MHz. 


Both BNC and N connectors suffer from small center pin size and 
weak center pin engagement pressure, both of which affect reliability 
and power handling capability. 


Don't even consider installing the long obsolete multi-part BNC 
and N connectors with loose center pins requiring precise placement 
and axial orientation. Very many of these obsolete connectors are improperly 
installed by both hams and professionals. Modern BNC and N connectors 
with captive center pins are much more reliable and less subject to 
installation errors, although for some hams no job is so simple that 
it cannot be done wrong. 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Bill Frantz" <frantz at pwpconsult.com> 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 9:05:22 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Reliable PL-259 UHF connector engagement 

As someone who is currently switching bands by going outside and 
replugging PL259s, I fully agree that other connectors, e.g. BNC 
would be nicer. 

I have gotten in the habit of skipping pulling out my LeatherMan 
and instead joining the connection to the point where I can feel 
the teeth engaging and there is still some slop in the 
connection. I then gently work the two connectors together, 
trying to move them back and fourth until there is no slop and 
the connection is solid. It does seem to work. 

73 Bill AE6JV 

On 7/29/20 at 2:21 PM, wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) wrote: 

>>On Jul 29, 2020, at 9:49 AM, donovanf at erols.com wrote: 
>> 
>>Unlike N and BNC connectors, a PL-259 is dependent on proper 
>>engagement of its outer shell and interconnecting teeth to the 
>>mating SO-239 socket. 
> 
>That is exactly why I consider UHF connectors to be a poor 
>design. I use connectors which are designed to connect without 
>special effort. 
>Seriously, that is the main point of a connector, to connect. 

----------------------------------------------------------------------- 
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(408)348-7900 |is there are so many to choose| 150 
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From donovanf at erols.com  Wed Jul 29 18:33:30 2020
From: donovanf at erols.com (donovanf at erols.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 18:33:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Reliable PL-259 UHF connector engagement
In-Reply-To: <b81fe8f3-82e2-9cb1-a172-1c6a0604d1fc@af2z.net>
Message-ID: <33118965.1482589.1596062010812.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>

One Japanese antenna manufacturer -- years ago -- supplied their antenna 
with a mating PL-259 with metric threads... 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 


----- Original Message -----

From: "Drew AF2Z" <pubx1 at af2z.net> 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 7:49:49 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Reliable PL-259 UHF connector engagement 

Similar experience here: threading defect. 

Amphenol is an offshore product. Need I say more? Only this-- make sure 
to test the threading & fit of the plugs on your equipment sockets 
*before* soldering them to cables. 

73, 
Drew 
AF2Z 





On 07/29/20 14:25, Arliss wrote: 
> Except that several REAL Amphenol UHF connectors I ordered, which 
> arrived in sealed plastic bags, had no threads on the inside of the 
> coupling rings. The remainder of the connectors in the shipment were 
> just fine. 
> 
> 73, Arliss W7XU 
> 
> 
> On 7/29/2020 1:32 PM, Jim Brown wrote: 
>> On 7/29/2020 11:21 AM, Walter Underwood wrote: 
>>> That is exactly why I consider UHF connectors to be a poor design. 
>> 
>> There's nothing wrong with REAL UHF connectors, like Amphenol 
>> 83-1SP, and surplus adapters stamped with MIL spec numbers. It's 
>> the cheap junk connectors that cause the problems. My definition 
>> of a junk connector (in North America) is one that doesn't carry 
>> an Amphenol part number or MIL-spec number. 
>> 
>> 73, Jim K9YC 
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From w1srd at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 29 18:33:59 2020
From: w1srd at yahoo.com (Steve Dyer)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:33:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] SOLVED Radiosport MH-350ADJ with K2?
In-Reply-To: <df5f7976-8242-4d5b-9127-1700e1b48fa9@embarqmail.com>
References: <52adce1f-974b-e15b-3605-872f564edd82.ref@yahoo.com>
	<52adce1f-974b-e15b-3605-872f564edd82@yahoo.com>
	<df5f7976-8242-4d5b-9127-1700e1b48fa9@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <d79c5be4-14ba-5413-7c75-845ccd133936@yahoo.com>

Thanks Don, I already knew the basics of a resistor between pin 1 and 6 
from a simple google search, but I suspected there was more to the story 
with the Radiosport headset. And there is.

After conferring with Dave, WI6R and super helpful owner, there is 
already a resistor inside the CS6-ELK cable and two dip switches to 
control whether to provide bias to the mic element. Some blocking and 
filtering is also part of the circuit.

The only thing I needed to do to the radio was to wire wrap from pin 6 
to pin 5 on the K2 mic header to provide 5V at the mic jack pin 5 in the 
fashion of a Kenwood radio. Pin 6 was not connected at the mic jack. The 
CS6-ELK cable needs the provided bias to act like a Kenwood, not a K2.

Then set the DIP switches and it works great. Now 1 cable and 1 mic 
element for both the K2 and K3!

I've copied the circuit image inline, I just don't know if the reflector 
filters them out. If so, be happy to email it direct.

Yet another reason why the RS headsets are so darn good and well thought 
out.

73,

Steve
W1SRD



On 7/26/2020 4:39 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Steve,
>
> I am not familiar with that particular mic element, but --
>
> If that is a dynamic mic element, no resistor should be used.
> If it is an electret type, the normal 5.6k resistor should work fine, 
> it is not critical - anything between 5.6k and 10k will do fine.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/26/2020 7:01 PM, Steve Dyer W1SRD via Elecraft wrote:
>> Is anyone using this mic element with the K2? If so, what size 
>> resistor did you use between MIC pin 1 and 6?

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Wed Jul 29 19:32:20 2020
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 16:32:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Reliable PL-259 UHF connector engagement
In-Reply-To: <33118965.1482589.1596062010812.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
References: <33118965.1482589.1596062010812.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
Message-ID: <4af14a34-cb7b-0be5-666f-1c89334a5faa@triconet.org>

Better than no threads at all:-)

Wes? N7WS


On 7/29/2020 3:33 PM, donovanf at erols.com wrote:
> One Japanese antenna manufacturer -- years ago -- supplied their antenna
> with a mating PL-259 with metric threads...
>
>
> 73
> Frank
> W3LPL
>


From k2asp at kanafi.org  Wed Jul 29 19:38:44 2020
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 16:38:44 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Reliable PL-259 UHF connector engagement
In-Reply-To: <7b528555-286b-968e-9e25-bffd9b2ef614@gmail.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB2968D3FF047848362B8AAF538C700@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<7b528555-286b-968e-9e25-bffd9b2ef614@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6c1cd62d-0f28-0463-a356-9577942d2e51@kanafi.org>

On 7/29/2020 12:02 PM, George Danner wrote:
> 
> In the 60s & 70s, we had a screwdriver like tool for removing and
> inserting PL-259 connectors in patch-bays in TV stations. It was a
> screwdriver handle and shaft with a steel tube slightly smaller than the
> pl-259. The tube had a longitudinal slot that was big enough for the
> cable to slip through. The side of the tube away from the slot was
> welded to the screwdriver shaft. 

That's a standard tool in the cable industry for installing and removing
"tamper-proof" F-connectors that have a shroud around them to prevent a
subscriber's fingers from loosening them.  It also works on
non-"tamper-proof" connectors that are difficult to reach.
I have one in my collection.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Jul 29 20:00:41 2020
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 17:00:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Reliable PL-259 UHF connector engagement
In-Reply-To: <5F21CD3D.2040105@w7xu.com>
References: <105059871.1324771.1596041390685.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
	<70F33E35-9D6D-498F-9FB7-1701DE6BEC5D@wunderwood.org>
	<528b1986-8adb-6854-fa11-1de1e0b5d912@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<5F21CD3D.2040105@w7xu.com>
Message-ID: <a83c2736-8a07-b562-ae10-9e40d522de50@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/29/2020 12:25 PM, Arliss wrote:
> Except that several REAL Amphenol UHF connectors I ordered, which 
> arrived in sealed plastic bags, had no threads on the inside of the 
> coupling rings. The remainder of the connectors in the shipment were 
> just fine.

I've seen that too, no more than one bad one in a 100-pc order.

On 7/29/2020 12:49 PM, Drew AF2Z wrote:
 > Amphenol is an offshore product.

So are Apple and Lenovo, both known for very good quality.

 >Need I say more?

Maybe not say more, but definitely think more.

Here's a neat tool that neighbor W6GJB found several years ago. It's 
great for tightening and loosening connectors in tight spaces, like the 
entry panel in my shack exterior wall. It is equally useful for the few 
N-connectors in my system.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00YQ7RS1M/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

73, Jim K9YC

From ve7xf at shaw.ca  Wed Jul 29 20:34:40 2020
From: ve7xf at shaw.ca (Ralph Parker)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 17:34:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Reliable PL-259 UHF connector engagement
Message-ID: <77087473-8009-8113-7efb-89c00d1f9c22@shaw.ca>

 >...several REAL Amphenol UHF connectors I ordered, which arrived in 
sealed plastic bags, had no threads on the inside of the coupling rings. 
The remainder of the connectors in the shipment were just fine.

I have a couple of those too. I thought they were a special push-on 
version for temporary/emergency use, but I've never used them. (Haven't 
had an emergency yet.) The center pin seems to fit fine.

VE7XF


From zfreak at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 21:26:12 2020
From: zfreak at gmail.com (Mike Maiorana)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 21:26:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 crystal filter upgrade
Message-ID: <CAFLbQcd3kWJZHxcxSCPrhx=DsPeCJeKZXBU0EmQG7V-U5zEnHg@mail.gmail.com>

I have an early K2 that has the original type crystals in both the CW and
SSB IF filters (marked with ECS 4.91-20). If I am not going to increase the
bandwidth of the SSB filter, is there any reason to replace the old
crystals with the new units from Elecraft? Will the new crystals improve
performance?

Thanks for any feedback.
Mike M.
KU4QO

From pubx1 at af2z.net  Wed Jul 29 22:24:59 2020
From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 22:24:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Reliable PL-259 UHF connector engagement
In-Reply-To: <a83c2736-8a07-b562-ae10-9e40d522de50@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <105059871.1324771.1596041390685.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
	<70F33E35-9D6D-498F-9FB7-1701DE6BEC5D@wunderwood.org>
	<528b1986-8adb-6854-fa11-1de1e0b5d912@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<5F21CD3D.2040105@w7xu.com>
	<a83c2736-8a07-b562-ae10-9e40d522de50@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <ab0fe152-b100-5bd6-9cfd-f17fc0009788@af2z.net>

Yes, Apple are also offshore products. As noted in recent report:

"Defective iPhone parts worth $43 million stolen, used to make new 
iPhones  ...The operation has reportedly been running for the past three 
years. Workers would set aside defective parts for scrapping. However, 
the components were later resold to a Taiwan business, raking in a hefty 
sum of $43 million..."

Don't be surprised that defective PL259's somehow get "liberated" from 
the offshore production facility and end up in your order.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 07/29/20 19:00, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 7/29/2020 12:25 PM, Arliss wrote:
>> Except that several REAL Amphenol UHF connectors I ordered, which 
>> arrived in sealed plastic bags, had no threads on the inside of the 
>> coupling rings. The remainder of the connectors in the shipment were 
>> just fine.
> 
> I've seen that too, no more than one bad one in a 100-pc order.
> 
> On 7/29/2020 12:49 PM, Drew AF2Z wrote:
>  > Amphenol is an offshore product.
> 
> So are Apple and Lenovo, both known for very good quality.
> 
>  >Need I say more?
> 
> Maybe not say more, but definitely think more.
> 
> Here's a neat tool that neighbor W6GJB found several years ago. It's 
> great for tightening and loosening connectors in tight spaces, like the 
> entry panel in my shack exterior wall. It is equally useful for the few 
> N-connectors in my system.
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00YQ7RS1M/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 
> 
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From k7jltextra at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 22:31:03 2020
From: k7jltextra at gmail.com (John Hendricks)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 19:31:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Foot Switch Doesn't Work - Now Working
In-Reply-To: <8684cd9d-de57-4b33-5a9f-95b88082bdd5@kg6mzs.net>
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	<8684cd9d-de57-4b33-5a9f-95b88082bdd5@kg6mzs.net>
Message-ID: <CAGUxkM7QKvgkhEqqhGaqETx0LWt_Y=K9+gSdA-BYMDSGn60Zhw@mail.gmail.com>

John K7JLT

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020, 7:56 AM kg6mzs <contact at kg6mzs.net> wrote:

> Hello Reflector,
>
> For absolutely no reason I can discern the footswitch is working this
> morning.
>
> While I am happy about that, I know that it just didn't start working
> because it "felt like it" like some woo woo types might suggest.  I sure
> would like to know what the ghost in the machine really was.
>
> I guess we don't get to know everything.
>
> Thanks to all who took time to help me.  I really appreciate it!
>
> 73 Eric KG6MZS
>
> On 7/29/20 5:54 AM, Andrew Hebden wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I went through something similar but it turned out to be the centre
> contact on the PTT IN phono socket in the K3S. I tested the voltage on the
> socket and everything seemed fine, also checked the cabling and microswitch
> on the foot switch. Upon further inspection it looked like the inner
> connection on the socket appeared to be splayed out slightly and just
> didn't make contact. In fairness I did get the odd occasion that it worked
> but was certainly not reliable. I had tried other phono plugs but to no
> avail.
> > Rather than open up the box I slightly squeezed the phono plug on the
> footswitch to an oval shape. Not had a problem since.
> > Must remember to fix the socket at some point.
> >
> > Andrew
> > G8BYB
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From ab2e at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 30 01:12:57 2020
From: ab2e at hotmail.com (AB2E Darrell)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 05:12:57 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] FS  K3 #5948
In-Reply-To: <YQXPR01MB2469D2F9C3F5CB5717DF2FE79B710@YQXPR01MB2469.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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	<200847585.21520145.1427583574875.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
	<800616537.148444.1595819263071@connect.xfinity.com>,
	<345203952.6470.1596085259497@connect.xfinity.com>,
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Hello all,
Selling my K3, s/n 5948.
Originally $4975. See breakdown of accessories, filters, etc. below.
Asking $2900 shipped lower 48,
Original box.
73 Darrell AB2E


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From ab2e at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 30 01:19:12 2020
From: ab2e at hotmail.com (AB2E Darrell)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 05:19:12 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] FS  K3 #5948
In-Reply-To: <YQXPR01MB2469AD6D1931F32DB8A073159B710@YQXPR01MB2469.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <D12114B1.51BB%k2sg@comcast.net> <D121369A.51D9%k2sg@comcast.net>
	<BLU184-W24120CA106B3794097620E9B1A0@phx.gbl>
	<D1232578.52DF%k2sg@comcast.net>
	<BLU184-W638B6DE1D53445FC39763D9B1B0@phx.gbl>
	<D1233489.5301%k2sg@comcast.net>
	<BLU184-W71C4C270FE8DA3DDBB5F879BF70@phx.gbl>
	<200847585.21520145.1427583574875.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
	<800616537.148444.1595819263071@connect.xfinity.com>,
	<345203952.6470.1596085259497@connect.xfinity.com>,
	<YQXPR01MB2469D2F9C3F5CB5717DF2FE79B710@YQXPR01MB2469.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
	<YQXPR01MB2469AD6D1931F32DB8A073159B710@YQXPR01MB2469.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <YQXPR01MB24695F202964939EC10EFF7A9B710@YQXPR01MB2469.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>


Apologies, I did not realize the garbage characters would appear in the first msg. Resending.

Hello all,
Selling my K3, s/n 5948.
Originally $4975. See breakdown of accessories, filters, etc. below.
Asking $2900 shipped lower 48,
Original box.
73 Darrell AB2E


[http://www.elecraft.com]<http://www.elecraft.com/>
Shopping Cart Contents (nothing is final until you submit your order)
item#   item description        unit price      u/m     qty     cost    adjust quantity here
K3/100-F        K3 100W Xcvr. (Assembled)       $2399.95        ea.     1       $2399.95
i
KAT3-F  K3 ATU (Fact. Installed)        $369.95         ea.     1       $369.95

KBPF3   K3 Gen. Cov. RX Module  $169.95         ea.     1       $169.95

KDVR3   K3 Dig. Voice Recorder  $139.95         ea.     1       $139.95

KFL3A-2.1K      K3 2.1 kHz, 8 pole filter       $139.95         ea.      *2     $279.90

KFL3A-2.8_2.7sw 2.8 for 2.7 kHz swap    $129.95         ea.     1       $129.95

KFL3A-250       K3 250 Hz, 8 pole filter        $139.95         ea.     1       $139.95

KFL3A-400       K3 400 Hz, 8 pole filter        $139.95         ea.     *2      $279.90

KFL3B-FM        K3 FM b/w filter        $139.95         ea.     1       $139.95

KRX3-F  K3 2nd RX (Fact. Assm.) $679.95         ea.     1       $679.95

KXV3A   K3 RX Ant, IF Out & Xvrtr Intf. $129.95         ea.     1       $129.95

Order Subtotal: $4859.35

  *   International orders will have insurance fee added. We will contact you if shipping differs significantly from here..
  *   Shipping summary
Box 1: 24.10 lbs.

UPS<http://www.cartserver.com/sc/cart.cgi?item=b-8109&newups=8621> 3 Day Select [08087] Shipping:       $116.26
Grand Total:    $4975.61
* One filter in each receiver.


______________________________________________________________


From jimk0xu at gmail.com  Thu Jul 30 01:23:31 2020
From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 00:23:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KIOB3B for K3
In-Reply-To: <CAAbqqEPOX7FNkro9pKnZdr0KSFNiJdXs6hPEdakg+6fywQQo2g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cf5217e6-75e6-8fdf-8873-f97f3cd68bf7@roadrunner.com>
	<CAAbqqEPOX7FNkro9pKnZdr0KSFNiJdXs6hPEdakg+6fywQQo2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4akuhia4GWxvH4TCwj-nunBxDgBm+CSvq=jCYG+fFS1DQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, very much appreciated here. So happy with the results.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:00 AM Joseph M. Durnal <joseph.durnal at gmail.com>
wrote:

> That is a shame, it is a really good upgrade for the K3.  A bit expensive
> at $399, but I'm really glad I did it.
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:15 AM Roger D Johnson <n1rj at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Apparently this card is no longer available. Does anyone know what the
> > price was?
> >
> > 73, Roger
> > ______________________________________________________________
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-- 
Jim K0XU
jim at rhodesend.net

From m0lep at hewett.org  Thu Jul 30 03:43:58 2020
From: m0lep at hewett.org (Rick M0LEP)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 07:43:58 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Groundplane antennas (was: Re: Elecraft CW Net
	Announcement)
References: <bb43219b-5efa-8b56-81fb-1b6d623e2d7a@coho.net>
	<d5ed74f4-c4d3-06a0-1aa4-201ec9f2ec5e@foothill.net>
	<0dda4f52-a566-4637-a123-62f58c740738@embarqmail.com>
	<aba771f7-0583-f722-7f16-27f9a599573a@gmail.com>
	<71cd2763-454f-97d6-d2ec-40ec79818efb@foothill.net>
	<52e61952-aab6-3b59-6eb6-2d463e4129ca@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6de.5f227a3e.d102e@hewett.org>

Fred K6DGW wrote:
> Yes, one radial is all you really "need,"

....and Victor 4X6GP wrote:
> Two radials is slightly less efficient than three or four,

With only one tuned radial you've pretty much got a dipole, just in a
slightly unconventional geometrical arrangement.

I've used three radials for SOTA-type activations, with the vertical
element supported by a fishing pole, but only on bands from 20 metres
up, and experience suggests the arrangement works best when set up in
the open. It certainly doesn't work as well when set up on a wooded
summit with lots of straight-trunked conifers all around...

-- 
73, Rick, M0LEP   (KX3 #3281)


From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Thu Jul 30 10:48:47 2020
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 10:48:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Groundplane antennas (was: Re: Elecraft CW Net
	Announcement)
In-Reply-To: <6de.5f227a3e.d102e@hewett.org>
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-B1C5DBC7FE0046F9AA29C73845BB700B@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

On 7/30/20 at 3:43 AM, m0lep at hewett.org (Rick M0LEP) wrote:

>I've used three radials for SOTA-type activations, with the vertical
>element supported by a fishing pole, but only on bands from 20 metres
>up, and experience suggests the arrangement works best when set up in
>the open. It certainly doesn't work as well when set up on a wooded
>summit with lots of straight-trunked conifers all around...

Steve Stearns, K6OIK has a article in the latest QST about the 
effect of trees on 160M vertical antennas. It reads like it is 
the first in a series about the effect of trees on antenna performance.

It also mentions Jim, K9YC who has some direct experience, 
living in a coast redwood forest.

73 Bill AE6JV

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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Thu Jul 30 11:57:20 2020
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 08:57:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Reliable PL-259 UHF connector engagement
In-Reply-To: <1896527554.1478483.1596061383919.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
References: <1896527554.1478483.1596061383919.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
Message-ID: <3f9f2ed6-4f0e-bfcb-f910-86ab5a9dcdc2@triconet.org>

Actually, the VNA crowd is finding that BNC is an acceptable series for 
precision work.? DG5MK's FA-VA5 vector impedance meter has a BNC interface and 
cal kits are available:

https://www.sdr-kits.net/index.php?route=product/product&path=66_91_94&product_id=181

There is also available a bracket for the DG8SAQ VNWA that converts the fragile 
SMA to BNC.? (I've lobbied to a type N version, but that has gone nowhere.)

https://www.sdr-kits.net/index.php?route=web/pages&page_id=86_86

Frankly (no pun intended) I've always been in the BNCs are iffy camp, but DK5MK 
and OZ7OU are really sharp guys and are convincing me otherwise.

Wes? N7WS




On 7/29/2020 3:23 PM, donovanf at erols.com wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
>
> Both N and BNC connectors have their own unique issues...
>
>
> BNC connectors have rather poor shielding performance caused by
> imperfect axial alignment and limited engagement pressure, both
> of which are easily demonstrated by a VNA, especially above 20 MHz.
>
>
> Both BNC and N connectors suffer from small center pin size and
> weak center pin engagement pressure, both of which affect reliability
> and power handling capability.
>
>
> Don't even consider installing the long obsolete multi-part BNC
> and N connectors with loose center pins requiring precise placement
> and axial orientation. Very many of these obsolete connectors are improperly
> installed by both hams and professionals. Modern BNC and N connectors
> with captive center pins are much more reliable and less subject to
> installation errors, although for some hams no job is so simple that
> it cannot be done wrong.
>
>
> 73
> Frank
> W3LPL
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Bill Frantz" <frantz at pwpconsult.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 9:05:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Reliable PL-259 UHF connector engagement
>
> As someone who is currently switching bands by going outside and
> replugging PL259s, I fully agree that other connectors, e.g. BNC
> would be nicer.
>
> I have gotten in the habit of skipping pulling out my LeatherMan
> and instead joining the connection to the point where I can feel
> the teeth engaging and there is still some slop in the
> connection. I then gently work the two connectors together,
> trying to move them back and fourth until there is no slop and
> the connection is solid. It does seem to work.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
> On 7/29/20 at 2:21 PM, wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) wrote:
>
>>> On Jul 29, 2020, at 9:49 AM, donovanf at erols.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Unlike N and BNC connectors, a PL-259 is dependent on proper
>>> engagement of its outer shell and interconnecting teeth to the
>>> mating SO-239 socket.
>> That is exactly why I consider UHF connectors to be a poor
>> design. I use connectors which are designed to connect without
>> special effort.
>> Seriously, that is the main point of a connector, to connect.
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From wd8oep2464 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jul 30 18:04:38 2020
From: wd8oep2464 at sbcglobal.net (Harry Brown)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 18:04:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] what tripod to use?
References: <3af88d11-3c24-97a9-46c7-21f191675118.ref@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <3af88d11-3c24-97a9-46c7-21f191675118@sbcglobal.net>

Hi all,

I'm new here.

I have a kx3, and I have the Comet hfj350M telescopic antenna, which 
works from 80 down to 6 meters.

I need to put it on a tripod, and then I can get the tripod adapter from 
Elecraft.

Can someone, please tell me which tripod to get?

If possible, I'd like it to be heavy enough to withstand high winds, 
because we have those kind of winds on the east coast of Michigan.

73,

Harry, AC8S.



From foster2 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 30 18:57:07 2020
From: foster2 at gmail.com (Foster Kartsotis)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 18:57:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Kx3 and px3 for sale
In-Reply-To: <CALN7B4f8LCHSVEM6Y2b+n2PcBOpfdz8wvCLxW6VZvasBxaq21w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALN7B4f8LCHSVEM6Y2b+n2PcBOpfdz8wvCLxW6VZvasBxaq21w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALN7B4e+6L5NHuNL1EciDo8gXig1nOBzt+8fNY859XYA2b_R7g@mail.gmail.com>

If anyone is interested it?s listed on eBay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/193601675870


On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 13:39 Foster Kartsotis <foster2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Kx3 serial number 1635, all the options factory options (tuner, filters,
> etc) installed plus clock board and 2 meter board installed and included
>
> Original keyer and mic included
>
> Px3 serial number 1051
>
> Both units fully functional and perfect working order.  I am original
> owner, non-smoking environment, very lightly used
>
> Both have a few minor scratches on top and bottom but faces are clean and
> like new
>
> All supporting cables included
>
> No original boxes or documents available
>
> 1500 dollars for all includes first class shipping and insurance
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

From taraymer at embarqmail.com  Thu Jul 30 20:08:43 2020
From: taraymer at embarqmail.com (Raymer, Timothy)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 19:08:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 feature suggestion
In-Reply-To: <a610d35a-f137-90b2-5f07-6dcf064c0ca6@pinewooddata.com>
References: <a610d35a-f137-90b2-5f07-6dcf064c0ca6@pinewooddata.com>
Message-ID: <008901d666ce$c1535b50$43fa11f0$@com>

I think a better way to implement this is on the foot switch input.  Make
that input be either a key, or a mute.

1.  Footswitch input keys radio.
2.  Footswitch input Mutes/inhibits transmit.




From kevinr at coho.net  Thu Jul 30 20:19:43 2020
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 17:19:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New antenna works!
Message-ID: <bbd1b33e-779b-f3d2-f3d2-2673a15c5f0a@coho.net>

I just got done bushwhacking my new antenna up.? Three 1/4 wavelength 
legs cut for 7100 kHz.? It's working as a 1/4 wave vertical with a 
ground plane of the two legs.? I turned on my K3 and checked 40 meters.? 
Only W1AW currently.? But the new antenna matches on 20 meters too.? So 
I scanned around and heard N7CQR running stations at 579.? I waited my 
turn and logged Dan as the first for the new antenna.? I'm sure he is 
running either a KX3 or KX2.? He didn't mention which.? So, new antenna 
works Elecraft rigs just fine.? Plus I knew who it was halfway through 
his call :)? He is calling CQ SOTA on 14061.5 kHz if you need another 
mountain in your log.

 ?? 73 & GL,

 ????? Kevin.? KD5ONS

-


From wa4aip at gmail.com  Thu Jul 30 20:32:11 2020
From: wa4aip at gmail.com (John Altman)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 19:32:11 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and P3 for sale...
Message-ID: <CABVMHXWYpeiqycor-9wp1NjxAXaP_Cz=iRYVPHrO=zg9OOCM+g@mail.gmail.com>

I am selling my K3s and P3 (with SVGA & TX-MON options.

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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Thu Jul 30 20:34:16 2020
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 20:34:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] what tripod to use?
In-Reply-To: <3af88d11-3c24-97a9-46c7-21f191675118@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-4726DF9814E94FB89CD73548C6D42156@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

Welcome to the list Harry

Given that your antenna isn't an Elecraft product, you are kind 
of on your own. Does Comet have a tripod adapter? Elecraft has a 
tripod adapter for its portable antenna, the AX1. 
<https://elecraft.com/products/axt1_axt1-tripod-adapter> Will 
that adapter work for your use?

If that adapter won't work, you can build an adapter. The 
standard tripod thread is 1/4" x 20. You should be able to get 
some nuts of that size and glue them to the necessary bracket to 
attach the adapter to your antenna. Or you can get a drill and 
tap and tap it yourself. There are many other choices and ways 
to proceed.

As to the tripod, a lot depends on what you intend to do. If you 
are doing SOTA activations, you probably want a very light 
weight tripod for backpacking. If you can stand something 
heavier, there are photographic tripods in a bewildering array 
of models.

I will also note that photographic light stands also have 1/4" x 
20 threads and can be used as well. They aren't as useful on 
uneven ground as a tripod, but they go up higher.

These things are available at a wide range of prices. Amazon and 
eBay are likely to have cheap choices.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 7/30/20 at 6:04 PM, wd8oep2464 at sbcglobal.net (Harry Brown) wrote:

>I'm new here.
>
>I have a kx3, and I have the Comet hfj350M telescopic antenna, which works from 80 down to 6 meters.
>
>I need to put it on a tripod, and then I can get the tripod adapter from Elecraft.
>
>Can someone, please tell me which tripod to get?
>
>If possible, I'd like it to be heavy enough to withstand high 
>winds, because we have those kind of winds on the east coast of Michigan.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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(408)348-7900      | library burns. - Joe McGawon | 150 
Rivermead Rd #235
www.pwpconsult.com | Irish Ethnographer           | 
Peterborough, NH 03458


From brianchapnick at rogers.com  Thu Jul 30 22:15:34 2020
From: brianchapnick at rogers.com (brianchapnick at rogers.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 22:15:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] what tripod to use?
In-Reply-To: <r480Ps-10146i-4726DF9814E94FB89CD73548C6D42156@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <95tt1an68ki912as520hjscs.1596161734990.ref@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <95tt1an68ki912as520hjscs.1596161734990@rogers.com>

The Buddipole Tripod with mast is quite substantial and will get your antenna up higher than any photographic tripod. In windy situations you will want to guy it or at least put a weight at the base.

I've done this a few times with the AX1.

For a quick mount the Buddipole bracket with the adapter is a perfect fit for the AX1 and may work for your Comet.

Brian VE3GMZ 




Sent via BlackBerry Hub+ Inbox for Android


? Original Message ?


From: frantz at pwpconsult.com
Sent: July 30, 2020 8:37 p.m.
To: wd8oep2464 at sbcglobal.net
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] what tripod to use?


Welcome to the list Harry

Given that your antenna isn't an Elecraft product, you are kind
of on your own. Does Comet have a tripod adapter? Elecraft has a
tripod adapter for its portable antenna, the AX1.
<https://elecraft.com/products/axt1_axt1-tripod-adapter> Will
that adapter work for your use?

If that adapter won't work, you can build an adapter. The
standard tripod thread is 1/4" x 20. You should be able to get
some nuts of that size and glue them to the necessary bracket to
attach the adapter to your antenna. Or you can get a drill and
tap and tap it yourself. There are many other choices and ways
to proceed.

As to the tripod, a lot depends on what you intend to do. If you
are doing SOTA activations, you probably want a very light
weight tripod for backpacking. If you can stand something
heavier, there are photographic tripods in a bewildering array
of models.

I will also note that photographic light stands also have 1/4" x
20 threads and can be used as well. They aren't as useful on
uneven ground as a tripod, but they go up higher.

These things are available at a wide range of prices. Amazon and
eBay are likely to have cheap choices.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 7/30/20 at 6:04 PM, wd8oep2464 at sbcglobal.net (Harry Brown) wrote:

>I'm new here.
>
>I have a kx3, and I have the Comet hfj350M telescopic antenna, which works from 80 down to 6 meters.
>
>I need to put it on a tripod, and then I can get the tripod adapter from Elecraft.
>
>Can someone, please tell me which tripod to get?
>
>If possible, I'd like it to be heavy enough to withstand high
>winds, because we have those kind of winds on the east coast of Michigan.
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(408)348-7900????? | library burns. - Joe McGawon | 150
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Thu Jul 30 22:46:48 2020
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 19:46:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] what tripod to use?
In-Reply-To: <95tt1an68ki912as520hjscs.1596161734990@rogers.com>
References: <95tt1an68ki912as520hjscs.1596161734990.ref@rogers.com>
	<95tt1an68ki912as520hjscs.1596161734990@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <425A50D2-7102-4661-A671-DA611F516C2B@wunderwood.org>

Not quite sure about ?any? photo tripod. I once borrowed a Gitzo Series 5 that we dubbed the ?tree-pod?. This one extends to nine feet. Ain?t cheap, of course. :-)

https://www.gitzo.com/us-en/tripod-systematic-series-5-giant-6-sections-gt5563gsus/ <https://www.gitzo.com/us-en/tripod-systematic-series-5-giant-6-sections-gt5563gsus/>

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jul 30, 2020, at 7:15 PM, brianchapnick at rogers.com wrote:
> 
> The Buddipole Tripod with mast is quite substantial and will get your antenna up higher than any photographic tripod. In windy situations you will want to guy it or at least put a weight at the base.
> 
> I've done this a few times with the AX1.
> 
> For a quick mount the Buddipole bracket with the adapter is a perfect fit for the AX1 and may work for your Comet.
> 
> Brian VE3GMZ 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent via BlackBerry Hub+ Inbox for Android
> 
> 
>   Original Message  
> 
> 
> From: frantz at pwpconsult.com
> Sent: July 30, 2020 8:37 p.m.
> To: wd8oep2464 at sbcglobal.net
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] what tripod to use?
> 
> 
> Welcome to the list Harry
> 
> Given that your antenna isn't an Elecraft product, you are kind
> of on your own. Does Comet have a tripod adapter? Elecraft has a
> tripod adapter for its portable antenna, the AX1.
> <https://elecraft.com/products/axt1_axt1-tripod-adapter> Will
> that adapter work for your use?
> 
> If that adapter won't work, you can build an adapter. The
> standard tripod thread is 1/4" x 20. You should be able to get
> some nuts of that size and glue them to the necessary bracket to
> attach the adapter to your antenna. Or you can get a drill and
> tap and tap it yourself. There are many other choices and ways
> to proceed.
> 
> As to the tripod, a lot depends on what you intend to do. If you
> are doing SOTA activations, you probably want a very light
> weight tripod for backpacking. If you can stand something
> heavier, there are photographic tripods in a bewildering array
> of models.
> 
> I will also note that photographic light stands also have 1/4" x
> 20 threads and can be used as well. They aren't as useful on
> uneven ground as a tripod, but they go up higher.
> 
> These things are available at a wide range of prices. Amazon and
> eBay are likely to have cheap choices.
> 
> 73 Bill AE6JV
> 
> On 7/30/20 at 6:04 PM, wd8oep2464 at sbcglobal.net (Harry Brown) wrote:
> 
>> I'm new here.
>> 
>> I have a kx3, and I have the Comet hfj350M telescopic antenna, which works from 80 down to 6 meters.
>> 
>> I need to put it on a tripod, and then I can get the tripod adapter from Elecraft.
>> 
>> Can someone, please tell me which tripod to get?
>> 
>> If possible, I'd like it to be heavy enough to withstand high
>> winds, because we have those kind of winds on the east coast of Michigan.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Bill Frantz        | When an old person dies, a   | Periwinkle
> (408)348-7900      | library burns. - Joe McGawon | 150
> Rivermead Rd #235
> www.pwpconsult.com | Irish Ethnographer           |
> Peterborough, NH 03458
> 
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From wb4jfi at knology.net  Thu Jul 30 22:56:44 2020
From: wb4jfi at knology.net (wb4jfi at knology.net)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 22:56:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] what tripod to use?
In-Reply-To: <425A50D2-7102-4661-A671-DA611F516C2B@wunderwood.org>
References: <95tt1an68ki912as520hjscs.1596161734990.ref@rogers.com><95tt1an68ki912as520hjscs.1596161734990@rogers.com>
	<425A50D2-7102-4661-A671-DA611F516C2B@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <7E58669131914844AB7B375E4B74B40E@tfoxserver3>

We used Gitzo tripods with Sachtler heads for broadcast news/ENG cameras. 
They handle a heavy load and are very stable, but do not have locking 
spreaders.  And probably way too expensive for the antennas in question. 
I've used the Buddipole tripod for both the Buddipole and the MP-1 antennas.
73, Terry, N4TLF


-----Original Message----- 
From: Walter Underwood
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 10:46 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] what tripod to use?

Not quite sure about ?any? photo tripod. I once borrowed a Gitzo Series 5 
that we dubbed the ?tree-pod?. This one extends to nine feet. Ain?t cheap, 
of course. :-)

https://www.gitzo.com/us-en/tripod-systematic-series-5-giant-6-sections-gt5563gsus/ 
<https://www.gitzo.com/us-en/tripod-systematic-series-5-giant-6-sections-gt5563gsus/>

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jul 30, 2020, at 7:15 PM, brianchapnick at rogers.com wrote:
>
> The Buddipole Tripod with mast is quite substantial and will get your 
> antenna up higher than any photographic tripod. In windy situations you 
> will want to guy it or at least put a weight at the base.
>
> I've done this a few times with the AX1.
>
> For a quick mount the Buddipole bracket with the adapter is a perfect fit 
> for the AX1 and may work for your Comet.
>
> Brian VE3GMZ
>
>
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry Hub+ Inbox for Android
>
>
>   Original Message
>
>
> From: frantz at pwpconsult.com
> Sent: July 30, 2020 8:37 p.m.
> To: wd8oep2464 at sbcglobal.net
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] what tripod to use?
>
>
> Welcome to the list Harry
>
> Given that your antenna isn't an Elecraft product, you are kind
> of on your own. Does Comet have a tripod adapter? Elecraft has a
> tripod adapter for its portable antenna, the AX1.
> <https://elecraft.com/products/axt1_axt1-tripod-adapter> Will
> that adapter work for your use?
>
> If that adapter won't work, you can build an adapter. The
> standard tripod thread is 1/4" x 20. You should be able to get
> some nuts of that size and glue them to the necessary bracket to
> attach the adapter to your antenna. Or you can get a drill and
> tap and tap it yourself. There are many other choices and ways
> to proceed.
>
> As to the tripod, a lot depends on what you intend to do. If you
> are doing SOTA activations, you probably want a very light
> weight tripod for backpacking. If you can stand something
> heavier, there are photographic tripods in a bewildering array
> of models.
>
> I will also note that photographic light stands also have 1/4" x
> 20 threads and can be used as well. They aren't as useful on
> uneven ground as a tripod, but they go up higher.
>
> These things are available at a wide range of prices. Amazon and
> eBay are likely to have cheap choices.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
> On 7/30/20 at 6:04 PM, wd8oep2464 at sbcglobal.net (Harry Brown) wrote:
>
>> I'm new here.
>>
>> I have a kx3, and I have the Comet hfj350M telescopic antenna, which 
>> works from 80 down to 6 meters.
>>
>> I need to put it on a tripod, and then I can get the tripod adapter from 
>> Elecraft.
>>
>> Can someone, please tell me which tripod to get?
>>
>> If possible, I'd like it to be heavy enough to withstand high
>> winds, because we have those kind of winds on the east coast of Michigan.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Bill Frantz        | When an old person dies, a   | Periwinkle
> (408)348-7900      | library burns. - Joe McGawon | 150
> Rivermead Rd #235
> www.pwpconsult.com | Irish Ethnographer           |
> Peterborough, NH 03458
>
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From dwightanderson at roadrunner.com  Thu Jul 30 23:50:19 2020
From: dwightanderson at roadrunner.com (dwightanderson at roadrunner.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 20:50:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New antenna works!
In-Reply-To: <bbd1b33e-779b-f3d2-f3d2-2673a15c5f0a@coho.net>
References: <bbd1b33e-779b-f3d2-f3d2-2673a15c5f0a@coho.net>
Message-ID: <000001d666ed$b64f9740$22eec5c0$@roadrunner.com>

Nice Kevin!

I am looking forward to the Elecraft CW net that you host on Sunday to see if there is any difference.
Currently I'm using a similar setup at my QTH.   I really enjoy this simple but effective antenna with my Kx3 and Kxpa. 

Much Regards,
Dwight
WM5F

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of kevinr
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 5:20 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>; Elecraft-KX at groups.io
Subject: [Elecraft] New antenna works!

I just got done bushwhacking my new antenna up.  Three 1/4 wavelength legs cut for 7100 kHz.  It's working as a 1/4 wave vertical with a ground plane of the two legs.  I turned on my K3 and checked 40 meters. Only W1AW currently.  But the new antenna matches on 20 meters too.  So I scanned around and heard N7CQR running stations at 579.  I waited my turn and logged Dan as the first for the new antenna.  I'm sure he is running either a KX3 or KX2.  He didn't mention which.  So, new antenna works Elecraft rigs just fine.  Plus I knew who it was halfway through his call :)  He is calling CQ SOTA on 14061.5 kHz if you need another mountain in your log.

    73 & GL,

       Kevin.  KD5ONS

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From k3wjv at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 31 02:00:06 2020
From: k3wjv at yahoo.com (Bill Stravinsky)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 06:00:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KIOB3B for K3
In-Reply-To: <cf5217e6-75e6-8fdf-8873-f97f3cd68bf7@roadrunner.com>
References: <cf5217e6-75e6-8fdf-8873-f97f3cd68bf7@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <334851532.6932930.1596175206370@mail.yahoo.com>

 I just bought that KIO3B card a few weeks ago.? Nice to just have the USB cable do the work of the serial connection and have the audioon its own codec.? Still available from the factory as far as I know.
BillK3WJV

    On Wednesday, July 29, 2020, 10:18:47 AM EDT, Roger D Johnson <n1rj at roadrunner.com> wrote:  
 
 Apparently this card is no longer available. Does anyone know what the
price was?

73, Roger
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From d.cutter at ntlworld.com  Fri Jul 31 05:04:59 2020
From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (CUTTER DAVID)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 10:04:59 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Elecraft] New antenna works!
In-Reply-To: <000001d666ed$b64f9740$22eec5c0$@roadrunner.com>
References: <bbd1b33e-779b-f3d2-f3d2-2673a15c5f0a@coho.net>
	<000001d666ed$b64f9740$22eec5c0$@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <323228291.752104.1596186299390@mail2.virginmedia.com>

With Elecraft matching units you don't need (and it can be undesirable to have) antennas made for a particular band.  You make life easier for the matching unit by making your antenna non-resonant on bands you want to use.  That way the unit does not have to cope with especially high voltages which are most likely to cause internal damage. Save your time, weight, money for other options. 

David G3UNA


> On 31 July 2020 at 04:50 dwightanderson at roadrunner.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Nice Kevin!
> 
> I am looking forward to the Elecraft CW net that you host on Sunday to see if there is any difference.
> Currently I'm using a similar setup at my QTH.   I really enjoy this simple but effective antenna with my Kx3 and Kxpa. 
> 
> Much Regards,
> Dwight
> WM5F
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of kevinr
> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 5:20 PM
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>; Elecraft-KX at groups.io
> Subject: [Elecraft] New antenna works!
> 
> I just got done bushwhacking my new antenna up.  Three 1/4 wavelength legs cut for 7100 kHz.  It's working as a 1/4 wave vertical with a ground plane of the two legs.  I turned on my K3 and checked 40 meters. Only W1AW currently.  But the new antenna matches on 20 meters too.  So I scanned around and heard N7CQR running stations at 579.  I waited my turn and logged Dan as the first for the new antenna.  I'm sure he is running either a KX3 or KX2.  He didn't mention which.  So, new antenna works Elecraft rigs just fine.  Plus I knew who it was halfway through his call :)  He is calling CQ SOTA on 14061.5 kHz if you need another mountain in your log.
> 
>     73 & GL,
> 
>        Kevin.  KD5ONS
> 
> -
> 
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From d.cutter at ntlworld.com  Fri Jul 31 05:26:15 2020
From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (CUTTER DAVID)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 10:26:15 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Elecraft] what tripod to use?
In-Reply-To: <7E58669131914844AB7B375E4B74B40E@tfoxserver3>
References: <95tt1an68ki912as520hjscs.1596161734990.ref@rogers.com><95tt1an68ki912as520hjscs.1596161734990@rogers.com>
	<425A50D2-7102-4661-A671-DA611F516C2B@wunderwood.org>
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A cheap and exceedingly sturdy tripod is a re-cycled/re-purposed rotary washing line.  
Remove the line for other things, eg guys and turn it upside down.  
Peg the legs if it's windy.  
Make/buy a clamp for your antenna pole.  

I used this with a screwdriver antenna and a few radials on the ground; also with a fibreglass pole just taped on.  They are quite heavy, so, not walking-portable but fits the boot/trunk of the car for a drive to your favourite spot.  The legs are very long, so, cut to suit what you are doing if need be.  

David G3UNA

> They handle a heavy load and are very stable, but do not have locking 
> spreaders.  And probably way too expensive for the antennas in question. 
> I've used the Buddipole tripod for both the Buddipole and the MP-1 antennas.
> 73, Terry, N4TLF
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Walter Underwood
> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 10:46 PM
> To: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] what tripod to use?
> 
> Not quite sure about ?any? photo tripod. I once borrowed a Gitzo Series 5 
> that we dubbed the ?tree-pod?. This one extends to nine feet. Ain?t cheap, 
> of course. :-)
> 
> https://www.gitzo.com/us-en/tripod-systematic-series-5-giant-6-sections-gt5563gsus/ 
> <https://www.gitzo.com/us-en/tripod-systematic-series-5-giant-6-sections-gt5563gsus/>
> 
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
> 
> > On Jul 30, 2020, at 7:15 PM, brianchapnick at rogers.com wrote:
> >
> > The Buddipole Tripod with mast is quite substantial and will get your 
> > antenna up higher than any photographic tripod. In windy situations you 
> > will want to guy it or at least put a weight at the base.
> >
> > I've done this a few times with the AX1.
> >
> > For a quick mount the Buddipole bracket with the adapter is a perfect fit 
> > for the AX1 and may work for your Comet.
> >
> > Brian VE3GMZ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent via BlackBerry Hub+ Inbox for Android
> >
> >
> >   Original Message
> >
> >
> > From: frantz at pwpconsult.com
> > Sent: July 30, 2020 8:37 p.m.
> > To: wd8oep2464 at sbcglobal.net
> > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] what tripod to use?
> >
> >
> > Welcome to the list Harry
> >
> > Given that your antenna isn't an Elecraft product, you are kind
> > of on your own. Does Comet have a tripod adapter? Elecraft has a
> > tripod adapter for its portable antenna, the AX1.
> > <https://elecraft.com/products/axt1_axt1-tripod-adapter> Will
> > that adapter work for your use?
> >
> > If that adapter won't work, you can build an adapter. The
> > standard tripod thread is 1/4" x 20. You should be able to get
> > some nuts of that size and glue them to the necessary bracket to
> > attach the adapter to your antenna. Or you can get a drill and
> > tap and tap it yourself. There are many other choices and ways
> > to proceed.
> >
> > As to the tripod, a lot depends on what you intend to do. If you
> > are doing SOTA activations, you probably want a very light
> > weight tripod for backpacking. If you can stand something
> > heavier, there are photographic tripods in a bewildering array
> > of models.
> >
> > I will also note that photographic light stands also have 1/4" x
> > 20 threads and can be used as well. They aren't as useful on
> > uneven ground as a tripod, but they go up higher.
> >
> > These things are available at a wide range of prices. Amazon and
> > eBay are likely to have cheap choices.
> >
> > 73 Bill AE6JV
> >
> > On 7/30/20 at 6:04 PM, wd8oep2464 at sbcglobal.net (Harry Brown) wrote:
> >
> >> I'm new here.
> >>
> >> I have a kx3, and I have the Comet hfj350M telescopic antenna, which 
> >> works from 80 down to 6 meters.
> >>
> >> I need to put it on a tripod, and then I can get the tripod adapter from 
> >> Elecraft.
> >>
> >> Can someone, please tell me which tripod to get?
> >>
> >> If possible, I'd like it to be heavy enough to withstand high
> >> winds, because we have those kind of winds on the east coast of Michigan.
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > (408)348-7900      | library burns. - Joe McGawon | 150
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From n4zr at comcast.net  Fri Jul 31 10:03:56 2020
From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 10:03:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KIOB3B for K3
In-Reply-To: <334851532.6932930.1596175206370@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <cf5217e6-75e6-8fdf-8873-f97f3cd68bf7@roadrunner.com>
	<334851532.6932930.1596175206370@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2ff84b37-e4f6-35e9-edc1-33f55b1582cc@comcast.net>

I have one pending shipment. that I bought back in June.? Elecraft still 
lists it as current production but availability TBD. Price was US$419

73, Pete N4ZR
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at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

On 7/31/2020 2:00 AM, Bill Stravinsky via Elecraft wrote:
>   I just bought that KIO3B card a few weeks ago.? Nice to just have the USB cable do the work of the serial connection and have the audioon its own codec.? Still available from the factory as far as I know.
> BillK3WJV
>
>      On Wednesday, July 29, 2020, 10:18:47 AM EDT, Roger D Johnson <n1rj at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>   
>   Apparently this card is no longer available. Does anyone know what the
> price was?
>
> 73, Roger
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From w2kj at bellsouth.net  Fri Jul 31 11:05:13 2020
From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joseph Trombino, Jr)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 11:05:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Free shipping
References: <0B11C30B-D8BD-4E6C-AC52-5F4075348A83.ref@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <0B11C30B-D8BD-4E6C-AC52-5F4075348A83@bellsouth.net>

Howdy Gang.

For all those Elecrafters who have plunked down kilo-bucks for the first K4?s coming off the line (when?grin?), let?s all ask Elecraft to reward out good faith by providing free shipping on said K4?s.

Certainly would be a nice gesture, not sure about it being a good business practice though (grin).

Looking forward to receiving my K4, hopefully before my 76th birthday in September!!

All the best to Elecraft in these trying times in getting a product to market.

Getting ready to put my Flex 6600M up for sale (grin).

Stay healthy and enjoy.

			73, Joe W2KJ
			I QRP, therefore I am

From w6png at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 31 11:52:54 2020
From: w6png at yahoo.com (Paul Gacek)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:52:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Free shipping
In-Reply-To: <0B11C30B-D8BD-4E6C-AC52-5F4075348A83@bellsouth.net>
References: <0B11C30B-D8BD-4E6C-AC52-5F4075348A83.ref@bellsouth.net>
	<0B11C30B-D8BD-4E6C-AC52-5F4075348A83@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <56073E06-B714-459C-906C-FDF0DC59015B@yahoo.com>

Maybe but I have to imagine that the recent past has been rough and tough for Elecraft on many fronts.

I for one will be thrilled just to receive my K4 and happy to pay the list price and whatever is the market shipping rate.

Paul
W6PNG/M0SNA
www.nomadic.blog



> On Jul 31, 2020, at 8:05 AM, Joseph Trombino, Jr <w2kj at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
> Howdy Gang.
> 
> For all those Elecrafters who have plunked down kilo-bucks for the first K4?s coming off the line (when?grin?), let?s all ask Elecraft to reward out good faith by providing free shipping on said K4?s.
> 
> Certainly would be a nice gesture, not sure about it being a good business practice though (grin).
> 
> Looking forward to receiving my K4, hopefully before my 76th birthday in September!!
> 
> All the best to Elecraft in these trying times in getting a product to market.
> 
> Getting ready to put my Flex 6600M up for sale (grin).
> 
> Stay healthy and enjoy.
> 
> 			73, Joe W2KJ
> 			I QRP, therefore I am
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From dale at ldeo.columbia.edu  Fri Jul 31 11:52:44 2020
From: dale at ldeo.columbia.edu (Dale Chayes)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 11:52:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Free shipping
In-Reply-To: <0B11C30B-D8BD-4E6C-AC52-5F4075348A83@bellsouth.net>
References: <0B11C30B-D8BD-4E6C-AC52-5F4075348A83.ref@bellsouth.net>
	<0B11C30B-D8BD-4E6C-AC52-5F4075348A83@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <DF08DB72-F7B4-4B0F-B5F3-1D97A80731E9@ldeo.columbia.edu>

Free shipping is an interesting idea.

First of all, I don?t have a boat in this race, I don?t have one on order and I don?t  see a K4 in my future. I see my Elecraft future as being portable, temporary setups when time (magically) appears in my future?.  I _assumed_ that would happen when I (mostly) retired but it hasn?t yet - too many other interesting things that I?m still physically capable of doing - more serious radio will come later.

I understand that folks paid serious money quite a while ago to get a spectacular radio and the combination of ?typical? delays in getting such sophisticated gear through production and shipping has been seriously extended by parts availability. All that is incredibly frustrating - I spent a couple of YEARS being customer technical representative for a couple of $1M+ ship-mounted mapping sonars that never really worked ?right.?  It was a mess and I don?t expect Elecraft to go down that road but it puts me in the position of understanding both sides of the problem. 

From my perspective as an owner of a well configured but rarely (yet) used KX3, I think about priorities like this:

#1 - I want this (all) high quality manufacturer(s) of equipment I own to continue to be in business (if/when I need support some day)

#2 - I also want them to have the resources (money, time , staff, tools, etc.)  to continue to innovate while continuing to support older gear as long as parts are available

#3 - To achieve #1 and #2, they also need the resources to mange the business, personnel, finances, etc. in addition to the engineering effectively.

#4 - when I purchase their product I want to feel like I got a good deal.

Achieving all of those is tough.

As I often remind myself: ?Patience is a virtue, I?m gona get me some someday."

-Dale <KB1ZKD>


> On Jul 31, 2020, at 11:05 , Joseph Trombino, Jr <w2kj at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
> Howdy Gang.
> 
> For all those Elecrafters who have plunked down kilo-bucks for the first K4?s coming off the line (when?grin?), let?s all ask Elecraft to reward out good faith by providing free shipping on said K4?s.
> 
> Certainly would be a nice gesture, not sure about it being a good business practice though (grin).
> 
> Looking forward to receiving my K4, hopefully before my 76th birthday in September!!
> 
> All the best to Elecraft in these trying times in getting a product to market.
> 
> Getting ready to put my Flex 6600M up for sale (grin).
> 
> Stay healthy and enjoy.
> 
> 			73, Joe W2KJ
> 			I QRP, therefore I am
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From dale at ldeo.columbia.edu  Fri Jul 31 12:03:07 2020
From: dale at ldeo.columbia.edu (Dale Chayes)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:03:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Free shipping
In-Reply-To: <0B11C30B-D8BD-4E6C-AC52-5F4075348A83@bellsouth.net>
References: <0B11C30B-D8BD-4E6C-AC52-5F4075348A83.ref@bellsouth.net>
	<0B11C30B-D8BD-4E6C-AC52-5F4075348A83@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <FEEECEBD-A9AE-49C0-85BB-3A8732A173A5@ldeo.columbia.edu>

Free shipping is an interesting idea.

First of all, I don?t have a boat in this race, I don?t have one on order and I don?t  see a K4 in my future. I see my Elecraft future as being portable, temporary setups when time (magically) appears in my future?.  I _assumed_ that would happen when I (mostly) retired but it hasn?t yet - too many other interesting things that I?m still physically capable of doing - more serious radio will come later.

I understand that folks paid serious money quite a while ago to get a spectacular radio and the combination of ?typical? delays in getting such sophisticated gear through production and shipping has been seriously extended by parts availability. All that is incredibly frustrating - I spent a couple of YEARS being customer technical representative for a couple of $1M+ ship-mounted mapping sonars that never really worked ?right.?  It was a mess and I don?t expect Elecraft to go down that road but it puts me in the position of understanding both sides of the problem. 

From my perspective as an owner of a well configured but rarely (yet) used KX3, I think about priorities like this:

#1 - I want this (all) high quality manufacturer(s) of equipment I own to continue to be in business (if/when I need support some day)

#2 - I also want them to have the resources (money, time , staff, tools, etc.)  to continue to innovate while continuing to support older gear as long as parts are available

#3 - To achieve #1 and #2, they also need the resources to mange the business, personnel, finances, etc. in addition to the engineering effectively.

#4 - when I purchase their product I want to feel like I got a good deal.

Achieving all of those is tough.

As I often remind myself: ?Patience is a virtue, I?m gona get me some someday."

-Dale <KB1ZKD>


> On Jul 31, 2020, at 11:05 , Joseph Trombino, Jr <w2kj at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
> Howdy Gang.
> 
> For all those Elecrafters who have plunked down kilo-bucks for the first K4?s coming off the line (when?grin?), let?s all ask Elecraft to reward out good faith by providing free shipping on said K4?s.
> 
> Certainly would be a nice gesture, not sure about it being a good business practice though (grin).
> 
> Looking forward to receiving my K4, hopefully before my 76th birthday in September!!
> 
> All the best to Elecraft in these trying times in getting a product to market.
> 
> Getting ready to put my Flex 6600M up for sale (grin).
> 
> Stay healthy and enjoy.
> 
> 			73, Joe W2KJ
> 			I QRP, therefore I am
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From mbaileycrna at gmail.com  Fri Jul 31 12:05:56 2020
From: mbaileycrna at gmail.com (Morgan Bailey)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 11:05:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Free shipping
In-Reply-To: <56073E06-B714-459C-906C-FDF0DC59015B@yahoo.com>
References: <0B11C30B-D8BD-4E6C-AC52-5F4075348A83.ref@bellsouth.net>
	<0B11C30B-D8BD-4E6C-AC52-5F4075348A83@bellsouth.net>
	<56073E06-B714-459C-906C-FDF0DC59015B@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CABkb7bhoxH-E421mSaWEVNYbCEp_hMAuVrMVhAaGxtmjq1XSJw@mail.gmail.com>

Same here Paul. It is not their fault that COVID screwed their pooch. I
want them to stay in business.

73,
Morgan NJ8M



On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 10:54 AM Paul Gacek via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Maybe but I have to imagine that the recent past has been rough and tough
> for Elecraft on many fronts.
>
> I for one will be thrilled just to receive my K4 and happy to pay the list
> price and whatever is the market shipping rate.
>
> Paul
> W6PNG/M0SNA
> www.nomadic.blog
>
>
>
> > On Jul 31, 2020, at 8:05 AM, Joseph Trombino, Jr <w2kj at bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > Howdy Gang.
> >
> > For all those Elecrafters who have plunked down kilo-bucks for the first
> K4?s coming off the line (when?grin?), let?s all ask Elecraft to reward out
> good faith by providing free shipping on said K4?s.
> >
> > Certainly would be a nice gesture, not sure about it being a good
> business practice though (grin).
> >
> > Looking forward to receiving my K4, hopefully before my 76th birthday in
> September!!
> >
> > All the best to Elecraft in these trying times in getting a product to
> market.
> >
> > Getting ready to put my Flex 6600M up for sale (grin).
> >
> > Stay healthy and enjoy.
> >
> >                       73, Joe W2KJ
> >                       I QRP, therefore I am
> > ______________________________________________________________
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From kwroberson at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 31 12:16:22 2020
From: kwroberson at yahoo.com (Ken Roberson)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:16:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 xverter PWB
References: <1127423200.8436193.1596212182398.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1127423200.8436193.1596212182398@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello all,
Anyone know if when txing thru the transverter board of the K3 if therx input in at ground ?
Thanks agn 73 Ken K5DNL



From dick.w7zr at gmail.com  Fri Jul 31 12:25:48 2020
From: dick.w7zr at gmail.com (Richard Zalewski)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 09:25:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Free shipping
In-Reply-To: <CABkb7bhoxH-E421mSaWEVNYbCEp_hMAuVrMVhAaGxtmjq1XSJw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0B11C30B-D8BD-4E6C-AC52-5F4075348A83.ref@bellsouth.net>
	<0B11C30B-D8BD-4E6C-AC52-5F4075348A83@bellsouth.net>
	<56073E06-B714-459C-906C-FDF0DC59015B@yahoo.com>
	<CABkb7bhoxH-E421mSaWEVNYbCEp_hMAuVrMVhAaGxtmjq1XSJw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACVQm3kPCEJbNnyJvb2Ziu8WGUyup66TF1CuK4+ooV9dG_bb-w@mail.gmail.com>

My two cents.  We all wish the best for Elecraft.  It has been horrible for
them and all of us living with this cloud.  Free shipping or whatever I
don't really care at this point.  What I find fault with is the lack of
communication.  How hard would it be to have a regular update on the
progress of the K4 box and other products?  Even if there is no new news
just say so. I am sorry but the communication has been far less than
desirable. When I look at the Elecraft "stories" the last update on the K4
was May of 2020.  The last update on in the newsletter was July 2020 with
virtually nothing on the K4.  Please...as you can see from the
emails...just tell us what is going on.  99.9% of us are very understanding.

Richard
*W7ZR* ex:5C5Z, CN2ZR, K2JSP, W6SBZ, W7KXR, K9ZIJ, W9KNF, W0KDF, W0MQU,
J68ZR, KC6ZR, PJ4/W7ZR, KH2,W7ZR, KH6/W7ZR, V31ZR, VK4AAZ, XE2DV


*Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer*


On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:08 AM Morgan Bailey <mbaileycrna at gmail.com> wrote:

> Same here Paul. It is not their fault that COVID screwed their pooch. I
> want them to stay in business.
>
> 73,
> Morgan NJ8M
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 10:54 AM Paul Gacek via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
> > Maybe but I have to imagine that the recent past has been rough and tough
> > for Elecraft on many fronts.
> >
> > I for one will be thrilled just to receive my K4 and happy to pay the
> list
> > price and whatever is the market shipping rate.
> >
> > Paul
> > W6PNG/M0SNA
> > www.nomadic.blog
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 31, 2020, at 8:05 AM, Joseph Trombino, Jr <w2kj at bellsouth.net>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Howdy Gang.
> > >
> > > For all those Elecrafters who have plunked down kilo-bucks for the
> first
> > K4?s coming off the line (when?grin?), let?s all ask Elecraft to reward
> out
> > good faith by providing free shipping on said K4?s.
> > >
> > > Certainly would be a nice gesture, not sure about it being a good
> > business practice though (grin).
> > >
> > > Looking forward to receiving my K4, hopefully before my 76th birthday
> in
> > September!!
> > >
> > > All the best to Elecraft in these trying times in getting a product to
> > market.
> > >
> > > Getting ready to put my Flex 6600M up for sale (grin).
> > >
> > > Stay healthy and enjoy.
> > >
> > >                       73, Joe W2KJ
> > >                       I QRP, therefore I am
> > > ______________________________________________________________
> > > Elecraft mailing list
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From backhoeken at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 31 12:29:51 2020
From: backhoeken at yahoo.com (Ken B)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:29:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Free shipping
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Totally agree.? ?

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:55 AM, Paul Gacek via Elecraft<elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:   Maybe but I have to imagine that the recent past has been rough and tough for Elecraft on many fronts.

I for one will be thrilled just to receive my K4 and happy to pay the list price and whatever is the market shipping rate.

Paul
W6PNG/M0SNA
www.nomadic.blog



> On Jul 31, 2020, at 8:05 AM, Joseph Trombino, Jr <w2kj at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
> Howdy Gang.
> 
> For all those Elecrafters who have plunked down kilo-bucks for the first K4?s coming off the line (when?grin?), let?s all ask Elecraft to reward out good faith by providing free shipping on said K4?s.
> 
> Certainly would be a nice gesture, not sure about it being a good business practice though (grin).
> 
> Looking forward to receiving my K4, hopefully before my 76th birthday in September!!
> 
> All the best to Elecraft in these trying times in getting a product to market.
> 
> Getting ready to put my Flex 6600M up for sale (grin).
> 
> Stay healthy and enjoy.
> 
> ??? ??? ??? 73, Joe W2KJ
> ??? ??? ??? I QRP, therefore I am
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From turnbull at net1.ie  Fri Jul 31 12:44:42 2020
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:44:42 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Free shipping
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Dear OMs and YLs,
      May I say that I agree with Richard.    Free shipping while nice is not my concern but it would be reassuring for Elecraft to keep the many of us with large deposits better notified as to progress and delays.    As I am in the EU, my shipment date will be longer by months than those of you in W land.  We must have CE approval for shipment; this is essentially a EU wide check for safety purposes not too dissimilar to UL approval but perhaps more wide ranging.   How much longer CE approval will take we have never been told that I can remember.   My money stays with Elecraft.    I am an Elecraft supporter and owner of many Elecraft products.    When this K4 becomes available I may well order a second K4 plus second KPA 1500.   It would sure be nice though to get a monthly update.

      It would also be interesting to have a more detailed specification sheet though I suppose this is being left to other labs to produce.   Elecraft must though have these numbers.   Maybe the good people in California want to make a big bang when the K4 does ship by blowing competition away.  

       I am not about to ask for a refund of my deposit but I do pray that Elecraft is not another casualty of the Covid 19 virus.     There is enough suffering and much more to come in commercial life.   There are good people in the mother ship.

                             73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Richard Zalewski
Sent: Friday 31 July 2020 16:26
To: Morgan Bailey <mbaileycrna at gmail.com>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Free shipping

My two cents.  We all wish the best for Elecraft.  It has been horrible for them and all of us living with this cloud.  Free shipping or whatever I don't really care at this point.  What I find fault with is the lack of communication.  How hard would it be to have a regular update on the progress of the K4 box and other products?  Even if there is no new news just say so. I am sorry but the communication has been far less than desirable. When I look at the Elecraft "stories" the last update on the K4 was May of 2020.  The last update on in the newsletter was July 2020 with virtually nothing on the K4.  Please...as you can see from the emails...just tell us what is going on.  99.9% of us are very understanding.

Richard
*W7ZR* ex:5C5Z, CN2ZR, K2JSP, W6SBZ, W7KXR, K9ZIJ, W9KNF, W0KDF, W0MQU, J68ZR, KC6ZR, PJ4/W7ZR, KH2,W7ZR, KH6/W7ZR, V31ZR, VK4AAZ, XE2DV


*Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer*


On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:08 AM Morgan Bailey <mbaileycrna at gmail.com> wrote:

> Same here Paul. It is not their fault that COVID screwed their pooch. 
> I want them to stay in business.
>
> 73,
> Morgan NJ8M
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 10:54 AM Paul Gacek via Elecraft < 
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
> > Maybe but I have to imagine that the recent past has been rough and 
> > tough for Elecraft on many fronts.
> >
> > I for one will be thrilled just to receive my K4 and happy to pay 
> > the
> list
> > price and whatever is the market shipping rate.
> >
> > Paul
> > W6PNG/M0SNA
> > www.nomadic.blog
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 31, 2020, at 8:05 AM, Joseph Trombino, Jr 
> > > <w2kj at bellsouth.net>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Howdy Gang.
> > >
> > > For all those Elecrafters who have plunked down kilo-bucks for the
> first
> > K4?s coming off the line (when?grin?), let?s all ask Elecraft to 
> > reward
> out
> > good faith by providing free shipping on said K4?s.
> > >
> > > Certainly would be a nice gesture, not sure about it being a good
> > business practice though (grin).
> > >
> > > Looking forward to receiving my K4, hopefully before my 76th 
> > > birthday
> in
> > September!!
> > >
> > > All the best to Elecraft in these trying times in getting a 
> > > product to
> > market.
> > >
> > > Getting ready to put my Flex 6600M up for sale (grin).
> > >
> > > Stay healthy and enjoy.
> > >
> > >                       73, Joe W2KJ
> > >                       I QRP, therefore I am 
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From reillyjf at comcast.net  Fri Jul 31 12:53:25 2020
From: reillyjf at comcast.net (John Reilly)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 10:53:25 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3s] SteppIR Control
Message-ID: <c9199e77-cb92-b2d5-1673-6f7193fb7851@comcast.net>

I have a BigIR which won't connect to my K3 for frequency control It 
worked prior to my move 10 months ago, but not now. I suspect a setting 
problem. I use the K3 USB for rig control and audio, and trying to use 
the RS232 RJ45 plug for the SteppIR. It appears the SteppIR is not 
getting frequency information. How do I configure the Config > RS232 to 
enable data to also go to the both USB and the RS232 port?
Thanks,
 ? - 73, John, N0TA

From bbaines at mac.com  Fri Jul 31 13:31:43 2020
From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 13:31:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Free shipping
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Richard:

> On Jul 31, 2020, at 12:25 PM, Richard Zalewski <dick.w7zr at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My two cents.  We all wish the best for Elecraft.  It has been horrible for
> them and all of us living with this cloud.  Free shipping or whatever I
> don't really care at this point.  What I find fault with is the lack of
> communication.  How hard would it be to have a regular update on the
> progress of the K4 box and other products?  Even if there is no new news
> just say so. I am sorry but the communication has been far less than
> desirable.

While I feel your pain, i don?t believe the "lack of communication? is the ?problem?.  The ?problem? is that Elecraft is not in position to provide their customer base with updates that will meet customer expectations regarding ?when will Elecraft start shipping product??  The moment that they make a public announcement, their feet will be held to the fire, both by their anxious-to-receive customers and themselves.  So as Elecraft continues to work hard to get their product released, it doesn?t make sense for them to put out a public statement each week stating ?We don?t know yet when we?ll be shipping?.  Such an effort to ?improve Communication? will simply further frustrate everyone


> When I look at the Elecraft "stories" the last update on the K4
> was May of 2020.  The last update on in the newsletter was July 2020 with
> virtually nothing on the K4.  Please...as you can see from the
> emails...just tell us what is going on.  99.9% of us are very understanding.


With all due respect, ?understanding? has its limits because we all want our stuff ?now?.  And if they make an announcement and then modify it, what do you  think the reaction will be?  More frustration and angst.  

While customers are anxious to get what they ordered, Elecraft?s future is totally dependent upon releasing a quality product as soon as they are able to do so because of the significant investment they?ve made over the past couple of years to create the K4 and they need to gain revenue from the investment to maintain their future.  I don?t know their financial position, but I consider them to be a ?small business? which means they don?t have unlimited resources.  Customers are anxious for a product;  Elecraft is anxious to maintain a business, support their employees, and maintain their reputation for quality products that exceed customer expectations.  Who?s neck is more on the line with each passing day;  the customer or Elecraft?

So give them a break.  The K4 will be released as soon as Elecraft believes that all of the ?ducks? (logistics, documentation, manufacturing, customer support, etc.) are lined up and ready to roll so that when their new product is delivered, it will more than meet everyone?s expectations.

FWIW, I?m also a Flex customer and their reputation has been sadly soiled by the design/production issues they?ve had over the years.  I ordered a Flex-6700 in 2012 when it was announced and received it in November 2013. However, SmartSDR was woefully inadequate and it wasn?t until May 2017 when version 2.0 was released that the software allowed the radio to do what they claimed would be possible (e.g. remote operation).  In February 2018 I ordered the PGXL amplifier with accompanying tuner.  I received the PGXL in May 2018 but I?m still waiting for the tuner, making the PGXL ?useless? for me to use with a EFHW that requires a tuner.  

In the meantime, I purchased a K3-KPA500-KAT500 with the Remote Rig/K3-I0 combo in August 2014 so that I could operate remotely as it was clear Flex was years behind in software development.  Today, I use both Flex and Elecraft, but the ability to use an amplifier on all bands is only with the Elecraft.  Lesson learned:  Technology is really difficult to translate into quality products and that some companies have a better knack for translating a vision into a viable product than others.  I enjoy the Flex system, but it has been a slow, painful process for software development and product to get to the point to where the product meets stated capabilities.  




FWIW,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW
(Currently in Folkston, GA)



> 
> Richard
> *W7ZR* ex:5C5Z, CN2ZR, K2JSP, W6SBZ, W7KXR, K9ZIJ, W9KNF, W0KDF, W0MQU,
> J68ZR, KC6ZR, PJ4/W7ZR, KH2,W7ZR, KH6/W7ZR, V31ZR, VK4AAZ, XE2DV
> 
> 
> *Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer*
> 
> 


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Jul 31 14:20:05 2020
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 11:20:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New antenna works!
In-Reply-To: <323228291.752104.1596186299390@mail2.virginmedia.com>
References: <bbd1b33e-779b-f3d2-f3d2-2673a15c5f0a@coho.net>
	<000001d666ed$b64f9740$22eec5c0$@roadrunner.com>
	<323228291.752104.1596186299390@mail2.virginmedia.com>
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On 7/31/2020 2:04 AM, CUTTER DAVID via Elecraft wrote:
> With Elecraft matching units you don't need (and it can be undesirable to have) antennas made for a particular band.  You make life easier for the matching unit by making your antenna non-resonant on bands you want to use.

This statement makes no sense. It may be convenient, but antennas 
optimized per band work better than simple one-size fits all solutions. 
In this context, "work better" means you're louder and hear better.

73, Jim K9YC

From allan at elstien.com  Fri Jul 31 14:20:27 2020
From: allan at elstien.com (Allan Elstien)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 13:20:27 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FW: SUPERB K3S FOR SALE ALL FACTORY ASSEMBLED - USED A
	FEW TIMES
Message-ID: <00a201d66767$446e4ca0$cd4ae5e0$@elstien.com>

I purchased this in June 2017 but with 7 times in hospital and house moved
and third radio after ICOM and Flex never really used.

 

I paid $5,924.35 and can send you invoice. What would you like to pay to
purchase? I will pay for shipping and insurance. Think I have original boxes
but not sure since I was in hospital during the house move. 

 

K3S Transceiver

100 W upgrade

ATU for K3S

Standard 5 ppm Oscillator

2.8 for 2.7 khz swap

K3 500 hz filter

K3  Digital voice recorder

K3 2nd RX

K3 2.8 khz filter

K3 500 khz filter

Panadapter for the K3

P3 Video/FFT Transmit Monitor for P3

Coupler, 1.8 - 54 mhz 1-2000 W

External speaker

Hand Held microphone for the K3                     

 

73 Allan N9AT

 

 

 


From kevinr at coho.net  Fri Jul 31 14:27:41 2020
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 11:27:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New antenna works!
In-Reply-To: <5d2488dc-439c-6e92-e6e3-88418a80efee@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <bbd1b33e-779b-f3d2-f3d2-2673a15c5f0a@coho.net>
	<000001d666ed$b64f9740$22eec5c0$@roadrunner.com>
	<323228291.752104.1596186299390@mail2.virginmedia.com>
	<5d2488dc-439c-6e92-e6e3-88418a80efee@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <39c8b912-ce1c-8f6d-92a8-d7637b6ca0ff@coho.net>

The new, resonant antenna performs well.? It is much quieter than the 
doublet I have constructed as an inverted-V.? I compare one to the other 
when I locate a signal and find the resonant antenna works very well.? 
The real test will be to see where my signal 'lands' across the US and 
Canada during the Sunday nets.

 ?? Kevin.? KD5ONS


On 7/31/20 11:20 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 7/31/2020 2:04 AM, CUTTER DAVID via Elecraft wrote:
>> With Elecraft matching units you don't need (and it can be 
>> undesirable to have) antennas made for a particular band.? You make 
>> life easier for the matching unit by making your antenna non-resonant 
>> on bands you want to use.
>
> This statement makes no sense. It may be convenient, but antennas 
> optimized per band work better than simple one-size fits all 
> solutions. In this context, "work better" means you're louder and hear 
> better.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From n4zr at comcast.net  Fri Jul 31 14:29:09 2020
From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 14:29:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KIOB3B for K3
In-Reply-To: <CANmOUyNcuBuxJPEBUhkMn42Pywo=21Z+LnoS8-SqZNG=NVUrQw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cf5217e6-75e6-8fdf-8873-f97f3cd68bf7@roadrunner.com>
	<334851532.6932930.1596175206370@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2ff84b37-e4f6-35e9-edc1-33f55b1582cc@comcast.net>
	<CANmOUyNcuBuxJPEBUhkMn42Pywo=21Z+LnoS8-SqZNG=NVUrQw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f6fe67e1-be8d-ff25-227d-becb4bb4c948@comcast.net>

Hi John - it *may* be a glitch in their new web site - if you enter 
KIO3B there is a listing for the main components of the update kit at <
https://elecraft.com/pages/search-results?q=kio3b&narrow=%5B%5B%22Categories%22%2C%2210171482123%22%5D%5D&disable_semantics=1>, 
but no whole update kit as such.? I have just written them asking for 
info on when mine might be available, and if I get anything definitive 
I'll post it here.? I ordered mine in mid-June.

Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

On 7/31/2020 11:36 AM, John O'Mara wrote:
> Hey Pete,
>
> I was looking on the Elecraft site and did not see this option 
> available anymore. When did you order this mod.
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 10:05 AM N4ZR <n4zr at comcast.net 
> <mailto:n4zr at comcast.net>> wrote:
>
>     I have one pending shipment. that I bought back in June.? Elecraft
>     still
>     lists it as current production but availability TBD. Price was US$419
>
>     73, Pete N4ZR
>     Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
>     at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
>     spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
>     For spots, please use your favorite
>     "retail" DX cluster.
>
>     On 7/31/2020 2:00 AM, Bill Stravinsky via Elecraft wrote:
>     >? ?I just bought that KIO3B card a few weeks ago.? Nice to just
>     have the USB cable do the work of the serial connection and have
>     the audioon its own codec.? Still available from the factory as
>     far as I know.
>     > BillK3WJV
>     >
>     >? ? ? On Wednesday, July 29, 2020, 10:18:47 AM EDT, Roger D
>     Johnson <n1rj at roadrunner.com <mailto:n1rj at roadrunner.com>> wrote:
>     >
>     >? ?Apparently this card is no longer available. Does anyone know
>     what the
>     > price was?
>     >
>     > 73, Roger
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From bill at wjschmidt.com  Fri Jul 31 14:59:11 2020
From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 13:59:11 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KIOB3B for K3
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I could use one too.


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Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 1:29 PM
To: Elecraft List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KIOB3B for K3

Hi John - it *may* be a glitch in their new web site - if you enter KIO3B there is a listing for the main components of the update kit at < https://elecraft.com/pages/search-results?q=kio3b&narrow=%5B%5B%22Categories%22%2C%2210171482123%22%5D%5D&disable_semantics=1>,
but no whole update kit as such.  I have just written them asking for info on when mine might be available, and if I get anything definitive I'll post it here.  I ordered mine in mid-June.

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On 7/31/2020 11:36 AM, John O'Mara wrote:
> Hey Pete,
>
> I was looking on the Elecraft site and did not see this option 
> available anymore. When did you order this mod.
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 10:05 AM N4ZR <n4zr at comcast.net 
> <mailto:n4zr at comcast.net>> wrote:
>
>     I have one pending shipment. that I bought back in June.  Elecraft
>     still
>     lists it as current production but availability TBD. Price was 
> US$419
>
>     73, Pete N4ZR
>     Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
>     at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
>     spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
>     For spots, please use your favorite
>     "retail" DX cluster.
>
>     On 7/31/2020 2:00 AM, Bill Stravinsky via Elecraft wrote:
>     >   I just bought that KIO3B card a few weeks ago.  Nice to just
>     have the USB cable do the work of the serial connection and have
>     the audioon its own codec.  Still available from the factory as
>     far as I know.
>     > BillK3WJV
>     >
>     >      On Wednesday, July 29, 2020, 10:18:47 AM EDT, Roger D
>     Johnson <n1rj at roadrunner.com <mailto:n1rj at roadrunner.com>> wrote:
>     >
>     >   Apparently this card is no longer available. Does anyone know
>     what the
>     > price was?
>     >
>     > 73, Roger
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From ab4iq at comcast.net  Fri Jul 31 15:13:20 2020
From: ab4iq at comcast.net (Ed Pflueger)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 14:13:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Free shipping
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I bought mine at Dayton about an hour or so after the opening over a year ago and  (I thought) That free shipping was included at the Fest.  I've been wrong before but can't wait to get mine.  Anything worth having is worth waiting for as I have been told.  This might be just a tad later than I expected but the testers have had plenty of time to get most of the bugs out of it. 

Cheers! 

Ed.. AB4IQ

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dale Chayes
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 10:53 AM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Free shipping

Free shipping is an interesting idea.

First of all, I don?t have a boat in this race, I don?t have one on order and I don?t  see a K4 in my future. I see my Elecraft future as being portable, temporary setups when time (magically) appears in my future?.  I _assumed_ that would happen when I (mostly) retired but it hasn?t yet - too many other interesting things that I?m still physically capable of doing - more serious radio will come later.

I understand that folks paid serious money quite a while ago to get a spectacular radio and the combination of ?typical? delays in getting such sophisticated gear through production and shipping has been seriously extended by parts availability. All that is incredibly frustrating - I spent a couple of YEARS being customer technical representative for a couple of $1M+ ship-mounted mapping sonars that never really worked ?right.?  It was a mess and I don?t expect Elecraft to go down that road but it puts me in the position of understanding both sides of the problem. 

>From my perspective as an owner of a well configured but rarely (yet) used KX3, I think about priorities like this:

#1 - I want this (all) high quality manufacturer(s) of equipment I own to continue to be in business (if/when I need support some day)

#2 - I also want them to have the resources (money, time , staff, tools, etc.)  to continue to innovate while continuing to support older gear as long as parts are available

#3 - To achieve #1 and #2, they also need the resources to mange the business, personnel, finances, etc. in addition to the engineering effectively.

#4 - when I purchase their product I want to feel like I got a good deal.

Achieving all of those is tough.

As I often remind myself: ?Patience is a virtue, I?m gona get me some someday."

-Dale <KB1ZKD>


> On Jul 31, 2020, at 11:05 , Joseph Trombino, Jr <w2kj at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
> Howdy Gang.
> 
> For all those Elecrafters who have plunked down kilo-bucks for the first K4?s coming off the line (when?grin?), let?s all ask Elecraft to reward out good faith by providing free shipping on said K4?s.
> 
> Certainly would be a nice gesture, not sure about it being a good business practice though (grin).
> 
> Looking forward to receiving my K4, hopefully before my 76th birthday in September!!
> 
> All the best to Elecraft in these trying times in getting a product to market.
> 
> Getting ready to put my Flex 6600M up for sale (grin).
> 
> Stay healthy and enjoy.
> 
> 			73, Joe W2KJ
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From norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 31 15:27:45 2020
From: norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com (Eric Norris)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:27:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Free shipping
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Elecraft is a small, tightly-run company, who suffered the misfortune of
discontinuing their flagship K3S just before a global pandemic struck and
as they were trying to get a radically new worldbeater, the K4, out the
door.  They, like other responsible California companies, have put the
health of their employees first.

Those of us who remember the rollout of the K3 are familiar with the
get-there-itis.  One of my ham friends wanted a weekly update of where he
was in the shipping queue.  Those of us who paid for our KPA1500s a year
before shipment remember the incredulousness of some who thought an
interest-free loan for vaporware made us fools.

Who could have anticipated that six months into the pandemic we would still
be right back where we started due to apalling inaction from our country's
leaders.

I will wait patiently for my K4, and I expect to pay full shipping for it.
In the meantime, my K-line is on the air nearly every day, giving me the
same joy it has for well over a decade.  Though my eyesight is fading with
age, by now I know where all the K3 buttons are even in the dark.

Sometimes I operate my K2, or K1, or KX1, and relive the excitement of
building them.  I hope all the Elecraft employees stay healthy, and
Elecraft as a company stays healthy, too.

I really look forward to operating my KX's out in the sunshine again with
my buddies.

The K4 will ship when it is ready.  Stay calm, wash your hands, and wear a
mask!

73 Eric WD6DBM

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 8:05 AM Joseph Trombino, Jr <w2kj at bellsouth.net>
wrote:

> Howdy Gang.
>
> For all those Elecrafters who have plunked down kilo-bucks for the first
> K4?s coming off the line (when?grin?), let?s all ask Elecraft to reward out
> good faith by providing free shipping on said K4?s.
>
> Certainly would be a nice gesture, not sure about it being a good business
> practice though (grin).
>
> Looking forward to receiving my K4, hopefully before my 76th birthday in
> September!!
>
> All the best to Elecraft in these trying times in getting a product to
> market.
>
> Getting ready to put my Flex 6600M up for sale (grin).
>
> Stay healthy and enjoy.
>
>                         73, Joe W2KJ
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From jasimmons at pinewooddata.com  Fri Jul 31 15:35:13 2020
From: jasimmons at pinewooddata.com (John Simmons)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 14:35:13 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3s] SteppIR Control
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K3 won't do both RS232 and USB at the same time. You'll have to put a 
software shim in your PC to control the SteppIR.


-- 
73,
-de John NI0K
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John Reilly wrote on 7/31/2020 11:53 AM:
> I have a BigIR which won't connect to my K3 for frequency control It 
> worked prior to my move 10 months ago, but not now. I suspect a 
> setting problem. I use the K3 USB for rig control and audio, and 
> trying to use the RS232 RJ45 plug for the SteppIR. It appears the 
> SteppIR is not getting frequency information. How do I configure the 
> Config > RS232 to enable data to also go to the both USB and the RS232 
> port?
> Thanks,
> ? - 73, John, N0TA
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From markmusick at outlook.com  Fri Jul 31 15:35:50 2020
From: markmusick at outlook.com (Mark Musick)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 19:35:50 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KIOB3B for K3
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I just sent one of my K3Ss in for repair and asked about upgrades available for my K3. Rob, from tech support told me to send a message to sales for the upgrades I wanted and if they were not available I would be put on a list.
Madelyn replied back saying they did not currently have the K3SYNA or KIOB3 boards available, but would be put on the list.
I ordered a KVX3B board from the website she said they still have a few in stock. Also, the CBLP3Y cable is still available. If you have a P3 you will need that when you upgrade to the KIO3B.
I ordered both.
It appears the K3EXREF is still available. The KBPF3A says unavailable, but it let me put it in my cart. So, I'm not sure about that one. I've sent an e-mail to Madelyn to see what is up with that.
I'll post to the reflector once I have an answer.

73,
Mark, WB9CIF

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of N4ZR
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 18:29
To: Elecraft List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KIOB3B for K3

Hi John - it *may* be a glitch in their new web site - if you enter KIO3B there is a listing for the main components of the update kit at < https://elecraft.com/pages/search-results?q=kio3b&narrow=%5B%5B%22Categories%22%2C%2210171482123%22%5D%5D&disable_semantics=1>,
but no whole update kit as such.? I have just written them asking for info on when mine might be available, and if I get anything definitive I'll post it here.? I ordered mine in mid-June.

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On 7/31/2020 11:36 AM, John O'Mara wrote:
> Hey Pete,
>
> I was looking on the Elecraft site and did not see this option 
> available anymore. When did you order this mod.
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 10:05 AM N4ZR <n4zr at comcast.net 
> <mailto:n4zr at comcast.net>> wrote:
>
>     I have one pending shipment. that I bought back in June.? Elecraft
>     still
>     lists it as current production but availability TBD. Price was 
> US$419
>
>     73, Pete N4ZR
>     Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
>     at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
>     spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
>     For spots, please use your favorite
>     "retail" DX cluster.
>
>     On 7/31/2020 2:00 AM, Bill Stravinsky via Elecraft wrote:
>     >? ?I just bought that KIO3B card a few weeks ago.? Nice to just
>     have the USB cable do the work of the serial connection and have
>     the audioon its own codec.? Still available from the factory as
>     far as I know.
>     > BillK3WJV
>     >
>     >? ? ? On Wednesday, July 29, 2020, 10:18:47 AM EDT, Roger D
>     Johnson <n1rj at roadrunner.com <mailto:n1rj at roadrunner.com>> wrote:
>     >
>     >? ?Apparently this card is no longer available. Does anyone know
>     what the
>     > price was?
>     >
>     > 73, Roger
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From n6tv at arrl.net  Fri Jul 31 15:53:13 2020
From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:53:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3s] SteppIR Control
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References: <c9199e77-cb92-b2d5-1673-6f7193fb7851@comcast.net>
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Hi John,

If you have *CONFIG: RS-232* set to *USB*, then both K3 serial ports are
fixed at 38400 baud, so you have to use that setting in the SteppIR
controller, and set the radio type to Elecraft (or Kenwood).

A custom cable is required to allow the SteppIR auto-track to work via the
K3 9-pin serial port at the same time.  This is something I implement in my
Serial Box (S-BOX <https://bit.ly/S-BOX>) offering so that one can use
standard economical serial cables and omit all Y-adapters and expensive
custom SteppIR cables.

The serial cable connection from the SteppIR to the K3S serial port (via
the Elecraft RJ-45 to DE-9F adapter cable, P/N E980297) must make no
connection on Pin 3 (TXD), and Pins 7 and 9 must be shorted.

Finally, a logging program must be actively polling the K3, or CONFIG:AUTO
INF must be set to AUTO 1, or else the SteppIR won't get any frequency data.

If you are also connecting a P3 via the CBLP3Y, then a serial Y-cable or
S-BOX must be connected to the P3 "PC - RS232" port, with one side going to
the CBLP3Y male DE-9 connector, and the other side going to the SteppIR
cable.

73,
Bob, N6TV
https://bit.ly/S-BOX
https://bit.ly/Y-BOX


On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:36 PM John Simmons <jasimmons at pinewooddata.com>
wrote:

> K3 won't do both RS232 and USB at the same time. You'll have to put a
> software shim in your PC to control the SteppIR.
>
>
> --
> 73,
> -de John NI0K
> https://www.qrz.com/db/NI0K
>
>
> John Reilly wrote on 7/31/2020 11:53 AM:
> > I have a BigIR which won't connect to my K3 for frequency control It
> > worked prior to my move 10 months ago, but not now. I suspect a
> > setting problem. I use the K3 USB for rig control and audio, and
> > trying to use the RS232 RJ45 plug for the SteppIR. It appears the
> > SteppIR is not getting frequency information. How do I configure the
> > Config > RS232 to enable data to also go to the both USB and the RS232
> > port?
> > Thanks,
> >   - 73, John, N0TA
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From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk  Fri Jul 31 15:56:35 2020
From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:56:35 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3s] SteppIR Control
In-Reply-To: <2cdcd758-d7c6-3202-5de8-e097cc4f366c@pinewooddata.com>
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KIO3B Interface Option manual:

Monitoring RS232 Data
If you have a device such as a STEPP-IR antenna controller or pc program 
that monitors the RS232 port, you
can continue to use it with the USB port active.
You can connect your device to the RS232 data in two ways:
1. Use the RJ-45 to DE-9S cable plugged into the RS232/USB port on the 
K3 and sense the RS232 signals at the DE-9S connector.

2. If you have a P3 Panadapter connected to the K3, sense the RS232 
signals at the connection to the PC connector on the P3. Never attempt 
to sense RS232 signals at the XCVR connector.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO

On 31/07/2020 16:35, John Simmons wrote:
> K3 won't do both RS232 and USB at the same time. You'll have to put a 
> software shim in your PC to control the SteppIR.
> 
> 

From dougzzz at gmail.com  Fri Jul 31 16:02:48 2020
From: dougzzz at gmail.com (Douglas Zwiebel)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:02:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] That's a whole lotta buttons and knobs!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6073.1596213952.3115.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.6073.1596213952.3115.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <CA+u=Ds3ahyg685BvBhRExC4SJDMtQC_pxUTTbHyX=b-dO2D-Mw@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.cqdx.ru/ham/new-equipment/kenwood-st-995sdr/

de Doug KR2Q

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Fri Jul 31 16:07:43 2020
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:07:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] That's a whole lotta buttons and knobs!
In-Reply-To: <CA+u=Ds3ahyg685BvBhRExC4SJDMtQC_pxUTTbHyX=b-dO2D-Mw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.6073.1596213952.3115.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<CA+u=Ds3ahyg685BvBhRExC4SJDMtQC_pxUTTbHyX=b-dO2D-Mw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <468BB9ED-5E1E-49BD-96AF-1383600CCCBF@gmail.com>

When I was 12 in 1957, trying to decide what receiver I wanted, that?s how I evaluated them ? count the controls and switches.  The more of those, clearly, the better the radio :-). :-)

Grant NQ5T

> On Jul 31, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Douglas Zwiebel <dougzzz at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> http://www.cqdx.ru/ham/new-equipment/kenwood-st-995sdr/
> 
> de Doug KR2Q
> ______________________________________________________________


From ab7echo at gmail.com  Fri Jul 31 16:28:52 2020
From: ab7echo at gmail.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 13:28:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New antenna works!
In-Reply-To: <323228291.752104.1596186299390@mail2.virginmedia.com>
References: <bbd1b33e-779b-f3d2-f3d2-2673a15c5f0a@coho.net>
	<000001d666ed$b64f9740$22eec5c0$@roadrunner.com>
	<323228291.752104.1596186299390@mail2.virginmedia.com>
Message-ID: <60623ed6-09f7-a321-fff6-e98c3bd0e20b@gmail.com>


That's a lot of bad advice all rolled into one.

1.? Low voltage at the antenna does not mean low voltage at the shack 
end of the feedline.? That's why it's called VSWR.

2.? Low voltage at the antenna does not mean low voltages internal to 
the tuner, which can be quite high depending upon the degree of 
non-resonance.? You aren't necessarily "making life easier for the 
matching unit" at all.

3.? Multi-band antennas mean highly variable pattern from band to band.? 
The same antenna might have a peak to the U.S. (from England) on one 
band and a major notch on another band.? If you don't care about 
pattern, dummy loads match pretty easy too.

Multi-band antennas are fine as long as you recognize that they are a 
compromise.? I'd be interested in the reason why an antenna properly 
designed for a particular band is a bad idea.

Dave?? AB7E



On 7/31/2020 2:04 AM, CUTTER DAVID via Elecraft wrote:
> With Elecraft matching units you don't need (and it can be undesirable to have) antennas made for a particular band.  You make life easier for the matching unit by making your antenna non-resonant on bands you want to use.  That way the unit does not have to cope with especially high voltages which are most likely to cause internal damage. Save your time, weight, money for other options.
>
> David G3UNA
>
>


From n6tv at arrl.net  Fri Jul 31 16:38:33 2020
From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 13:38:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] That's a whole lotta buttons and knobs!
In-Reply-To: <CA+u=Ds3ahyg685BvBhRExC4SJDMtQC_pxUTTbHyX=b-dO2D-Mw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.6073.1596213952.3115.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<CA+u=Ds3ahyg685BvBhRExC4SJDMtQC_pxUTTbHyX=b-dO2D-Mw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOmNKGLG8PxodRXFnA7656rnTye0p=mjafyjrutW+aanHB7BLQ@mail.gmail.com>

IMHO, both the RIT/XIT knob and RIT clear button in the Kenwood ST-995sdr
image are poorly located.  I wouldn't recommend this radio for "big gun
contesting" unless they offered an outboard RIT knob with an RIT clear
button, like the Elecraft K-POD, or the old Ekletech outboard tuning knob
(made by K9SD).  Perhaps it was designed primarily for military use?

However, I do like the concentric knobs in the Kenwood.  Concentric optical
encoders are (or were) quite expensive, which is why the K4 doesn't have
any.  The only concentric knob on the K4 is the AF and SUB AF gain knob,
which is a POT.

I expect this new Kenwood transceiver will generate sticker shock when the
price is finally announced, similar to the Icom IC-7851.

73,
Bob, N6TV

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 1:04 PM Douglas Zwiebel <dougzzz at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.cqdx.ru/ham/new-equipment/kenwood-st-995sdr/
>
> de Doug KR2Q
>

From lrahnz at garlic.com  Fri Jul 31 16:39:01 2020
From: lrahnz at garlic.com (lrahnz at garlic.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 13:39:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] That's a whole lotta buttons and knobs!
In-Reply-To: <468BB9ED-5E1E-49BD-96AF-1383600CCCBF@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.6073.1596213952.3115.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>	<CA+u=Ds3ahyg685BvBhRExC4SJDMtQC_pxUTTbHyX=b-dO2D-Mw@mail.gmail.com>
	<468BB9ED-5E1E-49BD-96AF-1383600CCCBF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00a701d6677a$9fc865f0$df5931d0$@garlic.com>

Me, too, in 1961.  Same logic.

Regarding the Kenwood -  OMG  It must be something special, the case is not black!

Logan, KE7AZ

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 1:08 PM
To: Douglas Zwiebel <dougzzz at gmail.com>
Cc: Elecraft Refl <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] That's a whole lotta buttons and knobs!

When I was 12 in 1957, trying to decide what receiver I wanted, that?s how I evaluated them ? count the controls and switches.  The more of those, clearly, the better the radio :-). :-)

Grant NQ5T

> On Jul 31, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Douglas Zwiebel <dougzzz at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> http://www.cqdx.ru/ham/new-equipment/kenwood-st-995sdr/
> 
> de Doug KR2Q
> ______________________________________________________________

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From ab7echo at gmail.com  Fri Jul 31 16:44:08 2020
From: ab7echo at gmail.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 13:44:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] That's a whole lotta buttons and knobs!
In-Reply-To: <468BB9ED-5E1E-49BD-96AF-1383600CCCBF@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.6073.1596213952.3115.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<CA+u=Ds3ahyg685BvBhRExC4SJDMtQC_pxUTTbHyX=b-dO2D-Mw@mail.gmail.com>
	<468BB9ED-5E1E-49BD-96AF-1383600CCCBF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7b217c3b-c257-1b1d-7300-6ffc9a3ca5fd@gmail.com>



When I first started working in the semiconductor business in the 
mid-70's, companies in Asia would buy our unmarked test rejects to stuff 
them into transistor radios to fluff up the transistor count. Lot's of 
"12-transistor radios" back then had a lot fewer devices that actually 
did anything circuit-wise.

73,
Dave? AB7E



On 7/31/2020 1:07 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:
> When I was 12 in 1957, trying to decide what receiver I wanted, that?s how I evaluated them ? count the controls and switches.  The more of those, clearly, the better the radio :-). :-)
>
> Grant NQ5T
>
>> On Jul 31, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Douglas Zwiebel <dougzzz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> http://www.cqdx.ru/ham/new-equipment/kenwood-st-995sdr/
>>
>> de Doug KR2Q
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Fri Jul 31 16:52:08 2020
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 13:52:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] That's a whole lotta buttons and knobs!
In-Reply-To: <CA+u=Ds3ahyg685BvBhRExC4SJDMtQC_pxUTTbHyX=b-dO2D-Mw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.6073.1596213952.3115.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<CA+u=Ds3ahyg685BvBhRExC4SJDMtQC_pxUTTbHyX=b-dO2D-Mw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cb72f42a-e80e-f30a-acfa-9a37031acfde@triconet.org>

Russian fake news.

 ? On 7/31/2020 1:02 PM, Douglas Zwiebel wrote:
> http://www.cqdx.ru/ham/new-equipment/kenwood-st-995sdr/
>
> de Doug KR2Q
>


From ve3nr at bell.net  Fri Jul 31 17:25:16 2020
From: ve3nr at bell.net (Bert)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 17:25:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] That's a whole lotta buttons and knobs!
In-Reply-To: <cb72f42a-e80e-f30a-acfa-9a37031acfde@triconet.org>
References: <mailman.6073.1596213952.3115.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<CA+u=Ds3ahyg685BvBhRExC4SJDMtQC_pxUTTbHyX=b-dO2D-Mw@mail.gmail.com>
	<cb72f42a-e80e-f30a-acfa-9a37031acfde@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <57928097-bf60-fc84-c16e-5362fb524919@bell.net>

Someone is playing games! ;-)) Don't believe everything you see on the net.
Bert VE3NR


On 2020-07-31 16:52, Wes wrote:
> Russian fake news.
>
> ? On 7/31/2020 1:02 PM, Douglas Zwiebel wrote:
>> http://www.cqdx.ru/ham/new-equipment/kenwood-st-995sdr/
>>
>> de Doug KR2Q
>>
>
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From n0nb at n0nb.us  Fri Jul 31 19:13:26 2020
From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 18:13:26 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] That's a whole lotta buttons and knobs!
In-Reply-To: <cb72f42a-e80e-f30a-acfa-9a37031acfde@triconet.org>
References: <mailman.6073.1596213952.3115.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<CA+u=Ds3ahyg685BvBhRExC4SJDMtQC_pxUTTbHyX=b-dO2D-Mw@mail.gmail.com>
	<cb72f42a-e80e-f30a-acfa-9a37031acfde@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <20200731231326.uylebme6nculotjo@n0nb.us>

* On 2020 31 Jul 15:54 -0500, Wes wrote:
> Russian fake news.

That's kind of my thought.  "ST-9xxx"?  Huh?  All Kenwood HF
transceivers sold in the US since the early '70s have had a "TS-"
prefix.  I don't see Kenwood changing that designation.

Has there been a brushed aluminum front Kenwood radio offered since
their first dual-bander in the mid-'80s?  I don't even thing the home
entertainment line is available in anything but black.

I tend to agree that this is an "artists conception".

73, Nate, N0NB

-- 

"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."

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From w4sc at windstream.net  Fri Jul 31 19:15:46 2020
From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 19:15:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] That's a whole lotta buttons and knobs!
Message-ID: <7C.15.31888.226A42F5@smtp03.aqua.bos.sync.lan>

My isp is blocking that link?.. beware!!

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com  Fri Jul 31 19:16:05 2020
From: john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com (John K9UWA)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 19:16:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Free shipping
In-Reply-To: <CAJSJeL2ff_=Kjo3+0dFQDjWNU5fTEf_5g_vJXhXqbQgh5NEqMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0B11C30B-D8BD-4E6C-AC52-5F4075348A83.ref@bellsouth.net>,
	<0B11C30B-D8BD-4E6C-AC52-5F4075348A83@bellsouth.net>,
	<CAJSJeL2ff_=Kjo3+0dFQDjWNU5fTEf_5g_vJXhXqbQgh5NEqMw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5F24A635.28606.2474C3BE@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com>

Eric spelled it out nicely. I say quit crabbing. I doubt that anyone on this list 
is "Radioless".  

Elecraft will get our new radios here as soon as they can do so. Any who 
are ahead of me that want to quit please do so get your money back so I 
move closer to the start of the shipping. My K4HD will be here when it gets 
here. In the meantime the K3S is in place and the K3 is the backup. 

John k9uwa

On 31 Jul 2020 at 12:27, Eric Norris wrote:
BIG SNIP
> 
> The K4 will ship when it is ready.  Stay calm, wash your hands, and wear a
> mask!
> 
> 73 Eric WD6DBM
John Goller, K9UWA & Jean Goller, N9PXF 
Antique Radio Restorations
k9uwa at arrl.net
Visit our Web Site at:
http://www.JohnJeanAntiqueRadio.com
4836 Ranch Road
Leo, IN 46765
USA
1-260-637-6426


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Fri Jul 31 19:20:35 2020
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:20:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] That's a whole lotta buttons and knobs!
In-Reply-To: <468BB9ED-5E1E-49BD-96AF-1383600CCCBF@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.6073.1596213952.3115.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<CA+u=Ds3ahyg685BvBhRExC4SJDMtQC_pxUTTbHyX=b-dO2D-Mw@mail.gmail.com>
	<468BB9ED-5E1E-49BD-96AF-1383600CCCBF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <108f6093-a7fb-043c-5053-864f73760d05@foothill.net>

INT QKK: How many knobs does your radio have?
QKK18: My radio has 18 knobs.

INT QKU: How many of those do you know how to use?
QKU4: I know how to use 4 of them.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/31/2020 1:07 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:
> When I was 12 in 1957, trying to decide what receiver I wanted, that?s how I evaluated them ? count the controls and switches.  The more of those, clearly, the better the radio :-). :-)
>
> Grant NQ5T
>


From k2asp at kanafi.org  Fri Jul 31 19:27:52 2020
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:27:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] what tripod to use?
In-Reply-To: <1408203167.752849.1596187575250@mail2.virginmedia.com>
References: <95tt1an68ki912as520hjscs.1596161734990.ref@rogers.com>
	<95tt1an68ki912as520hjscs.1596161734990@rogers.com>
	<425A50D2-7102-4661-A671-DA611F516C2B@wunderwood.org>
	<7E58669131914844AB7B375E4B74B40E@tfoxserver3>
	<1408203167.752849.1596187575250@mail2.virginmedia.com>
Message-ID: <0670a4a8-0960-7b82-298b-29452c5c94f8@kanafi.org>

On 7/31/2020 2:26 AM, CUTTER DAVID via Elecraft wrote:

> A cheap and exceedingly sturdy tripod is a re-cycled/re-purposed rotary washing line.  

With all due respect, I had to re-read that several times to picture
that device.  Are you referring to the inverted pyramid upon which one
hangs washing out to dry?  As a suburban dweller who has used an
electric clothes dryer all of my adult life I haven't seen one of them
for many decades.  :)

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

From tommy58 at hvc.rr.com  Fri Jul 31 19:30:05 2020
From: tommy58 at hvc.rr.com (Tommy)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 19:30:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] That's a whole lotta buttons and knobs!
In-Reply-To: <7C.15.31888.226A42F5@smtp03.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
References: <7C.15.31888.226A42F5@smtp03.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
Message-ID: <c9fdc367-1c88-2707-e680-412224f6245a@hvc.rr.com>

 ?It looks like it's a piece of test equipment. Reminds me a little bit 
of Tektronix gear.

Tom - KB2SMS


On 7/31/20 7:15 PM, w4sc wrote:
> My isp is blocking that link?.. beware!!

From w1srd at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 31 19:56:22 2020
From: w1srd at yahoo.com (Steve Dyer W1SRD)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:56:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KRX3A + Filters for Sale - Stripping my K3
In-Reply-To: <ddc98655-09f2-70e5-7691-08674fb06849@yahoo.com>
References: <ddc98655-09f2-70e5-7691-08674fb06849.ref@yahoo.com>
	<ddc98655-09f2-70e5-7691-08674fb06849@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a3a7bd93-8ffa-1e5e-d554-9d2546d43559@yahoo.com>

Everything sold but the KFLA-1.8K. Reduced to $115 shipped.
Hope to CU tomorrow on the NAQP CW.
73,
Steve
W1SRD
> In process of turning my K3 into a minimalist expedition radio and 
> taking the following out of it.
>
> Filters:
> 1 KFL3A-1.8K $130 shipped
> 1 KFL3A-400 $130 shipped
> 2 KFL3C-200 (matched pair) $235 shipped
>
> KRX3A with KFL3A-2.8K purchased new 8/2016???? $580 shipped. Includes 
> all hardware except the circular foam pad for the back of the speaker 
> which is easy to substitute.
> *Note: If you have a K3 (not S) the KRX3A requires the KSYN3A 
> synthesizer upgrade. *
>
> Paypal OK. Shipped USPS Priority.
>
> 73,
> Steve
> W1SRD
>
>
>
>
>
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From k3bh at arrl.net  Fri Jul 31 19:58:59 2020
From: k3bh at arrl.net (Jay Rutherford)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 19:58:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] what tripod to use?
In-Reply-To: <0670a4a8-0960-7b82-298b-29452c5c94f8@kanafi.org>
References: <95tt1an68ki912as520hjscs.1596161734990.ref@rogers.com>
	<95tt1an68ki912as520hjscs.1596161734990@rogers.com>
	<425A50D2-7102-4661-A671-DA611F516C2B@wunderwood.org>
	<7E58669131914844AB7B375E4B74B40E@tfoxserver3>
	<1408203167.752849.1596187575250@mail2.virginmedia.com>
	<0670a4a8-0960-7b82-298b-29452c5c94f8@kanafi.org>
Message-ID: <efd3dcb3-9b58-470b-af2e-d4e0f19f474f@www.fastmail.com>

If that's what the poster was describing, I see one each time I ride a trail in Glen Burnie, MD. I jokingly refer to it as a ham radio antenna. Probably NVIS.
73
Jay K3BH

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020, at 19:27, Phil Kane wrote:
> On 7/31/2020 2:26 AM, CUTTER DAVID via Elecraft wrote:
> 
> > A cheap and exceedingly sturdy tripod is a re-cycled/re-purposed rotary washing line.  
> 
> With all due respect, I had to re-read that several times to picture
> that device.  Are you referring to the inverted pyramid upon which one
> hangs washing out to dry?  As a suburban dweller who has used an
> electric clothes dryer all of my adult life I haven't seen one of them
> for many decades.  :)
> 
> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
> Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402
> 
> From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
> Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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From n4zr at comcast.net  Fri Jul 31 21:33:39 2020
From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 21:33:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] That's a whole lotta buttons and knobs!
In-Reply-To: <57928097-bf60-fc84-c16e-5362fb524919@bell.net>
References: <mailman.6073.1596213952.3115.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<CA+u=Ds3ahyg685BvBhRExC4SJDMtQC_pxUTTbHyX=b-dO2D-Mw@mail.gmail.com>
	<cb72f42a-e80e-f30a-acfa-9a37031acfde@triconet.org>
	<57928097-bf60-fc84-c16e-5362fb524919@bell.net>
Message-ID: <c1cbc2a0-ce0c-7acc-ad08-ed36b95ec194@comcast.net>

But it's a deft fake - if it weren't for the ST on the front, I would 
probably have thought it was a typo

73, Pete N4ZR
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On 7/31/2020 5:25 PM, Bert wrote:
> Someone is playing games! ;-)) Don't believe everything you see on the 
> net.
> Bert VE3NR
>
>
> On 2020-07-31 16:52, Wes wrote:
>> Russian fake news.
>>
>> ? On 7/31/2020 1:02 PM, Douglas Zwiebel wrote:
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>>>
>>> de Doug KR2Q
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From pincon at erols.com  Wed Jul 29 07:21:17 2020
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 07:21:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 feature suggestion
In-Reply-To: <0C733321-D161-4A8D-BF1C-B59D25DFD3C6@voodoolab.com>
References: <a610d35a-f137-90b2-5f07-6dcf064c0ca6@pinewooddata.com>
	<0C733321-D161-4A8D-BF1C-B59D25DFD3C6@voodoolab.com>
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While some feel this would be a great new feature to add, please make it user-selectable, so it can be turned off.

73, Charlie k3ICH




-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Josh Fiden
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 10:59 PM
To: John Simmons <jasimmons at pinewooddata.com>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 feature suggestion

That is fantastic! Can it be added to K3? I would love this feature. 

73
Josh W6XU

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> On Jul 28, 2020, at 6:59 PM, John Simmons <jasimmons at pinewooddata.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Stolen from Facebook:
> Programmable PTT so that when using VOX on SSB, the PTT functions as a mute (cough) switch
> 
> -- 
> 73,
> -de John NI0K
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