From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Oct  1 02:13:16 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 23:13:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Pro Audio Engineerint power Supply
In-Reply-To: <CALcLFqAuzPXxSb8Zb1yKv3i3fyjOyNXwki_8e4SbjzYeP4AQ3A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALcLFqAuzPXxSb8Zb1yKv3i3fyjOyNXwki_8e4SbjzYeP4AQ3A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49b55ebe-8afc-14bb-ad6c-ecb2e3695fab@audiosystemsgroup.com>

Several years ago, Howard sent me one to test. It was very quiet when 
only powering my KX3 on receive, which draws only about 150 mA. When I 
used it to supply something that drew 4A, it was noisy. So the question 
is, are you using it power anything else in addition to the KX3?

A good common mode choke made by winding the right number of turns of 
the power cord around the right #31 core should suppress the noise. You 
should also make certain that everything in your station is properly 
bonded. See http://k9yc.com/GroundingAndAudio.pdf You should also make 
certain that if you are using an end-fed wire antenna that you have 
provided a suitable counterpoise for it.

73, Jim K9YC

On 9/30/2019 2:44 PM, Terry Basom wrote:
> When I plug in the PAE-Kx33 power supply to my KX3,  I get a huge amount of
> hash noise. It's supposed to be low-RFI Anybody with a similar problem?
>   Any suggestions?



From djwilcox01 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  1 05:12:36 2019
From: djwilcox01 at yahoo.com (David Wilcox)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 05:12:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failing on 160...AGAIN!
In-Reply-To: <2101370790.1311257.1569865727522@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <003501d574f4$171fa610$455ef230$@w2irt.net>
	<1b8325b9-572b-4369-5aaf-8cf0f7e690cd@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<2101370790.1311257.1569865727522@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FBABF273-67ED-44E5-8A5C-D55E30E5A1C0@yahoo.com>

You have to use the best quality connecting cables.  A trip to Palomar Engineers with a description of your set up will help so they can sell you the correct EMI suppression toroid set up.  And, YES, even some of Elecraft?s cables can be (or become) defective as described in this site.  A friend of mine even installed toroids on the incoming AC lines to his shack.  He has over 300 countries now so he can definitely hear them...... something those of us with noisy shack power and EMI cannot. 

David J. Wilcox K8WPE?s iPad

> On Sep 30, 2019, at 1:48 PM, Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> And not just antenna and feedlines, but the AC wiring in your shack, the potential EMI problems, etc. This is why I keep saying that hams badly need a tutorial -- perhaps something named, "What to Expect When You Run High Power".  There are lots of us, including me, that could learn about the extra precautions and checks one needs to make when you put an amplifier into service. Jim, maybe you're the right guy to do it?
> 
> 
>>>> High power can expose antenna and feedline problems that are not evident 
>>>> at 100W. 
> 
>>>> 73, Jim K9YC
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Tue Oct  1 08:32:12 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 05:32:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Reflecting on Quality
In-Reply-To: <487ee30d-fa97-0653-d164-2c60a8667e95@k8jhr.com>
References: <487ee30d-fa97-0653-d164-2c60a8667e95@k8jhr.com>
Message-ID: <f1ff640f-26c0-eea9-2344-476351e0ed2e@triconet.org>

Hanged.

On 9/30/2019 5:35 PM, JR wrote:
> Huh... really????? As for the quality of the Elecraft discussion reflector ...
>
> ????Well, shoot - some guys would bitch even if you
> ????hung them with a new rope.
>
>
> Drive on Elecraft - you got much bigger fish to fry and the reflector works 
> just fine.? Thank you.
>
> K8JHR 


From g8kbvdave at googlemail.com  Tue Oct  1 08:41:06 2019
From: g8kbvdave at googlemail.com (Dave B)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 13:41:06 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3; Firmware Update
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2934.1569865355.13236.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.2934.1569865355.13236.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <b26a0d70-7b90-3941-c96c-36c6466986be@googlemail.com>

Hi.

The KX3 Utility Rev 1.18.7.3 (the Linux version* at least) does have a
"Set KX3 Time" function, under the "Configuration" tab.

Perhaps there is a later rev utility for your system OS, than you have
at the moment?

73.

Dave G0WBX.

(* Running the x86 version on Mint 19.2 64 bit, with all the 32bit
compatibility stuff installed.)

~ ~ ~

On 30/09/2019 18:42, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3; Firmware Update
> Message-ID: <1569849483022-0.post at n2.nabble.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Is there any chance of a future firmware update including the RTC correction
> factor that the KX2 has?  Also - it would be nice if the KX3 utility had the
> same "Set KX2 Time" function that is in the KX2 - it makes it super quick to
> recalibrate.
>
> 73,
> Rob - AE7AP

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From indians at xsmail.com  Tue Oct  1 09:59:50 2019
From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 06:59:50 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] New Revision of KPA500 LPF TR Switching Rework Rev. E
In-Reply-To: <82ecd793-4720-ce9f-488f-122afd50abe3@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <1778323052.8649078.1569435756231@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1569578326467-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<82ecd793-4720-ce9f-488f-122afd50abe3@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <1569938390015-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Lynn, yes it is.
Elecraft parts kit: E850607

Petr



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From indians at xsmail.com  Tue Oct  1 10:26:19 2019
From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 07:26:19 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KPA500 LPF T/R Switch  Rework Rev. E Mod
In-Reply-To: <760856234.1068142.1569876937675@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <760856234.1068142.1569876937675@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1569939979309-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Roy,

thanks for additional information from Elecraft support regarding the
revisions of board to be modified...

rgds, Petr



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From indians at xsmail.com  Tue Oct  1 10:36:52 2019
From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 07:36:52 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] new revision of KPA500 LPF T_R Switching rework
 Rev.E guide available
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB2968FBB18BF2C4AD8F05E2A68C840@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB2968FBB18BF2C4AD8F05E2A68C840@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1569940612473-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Andy

do not glue to date of first post date in the link. Please follow and refer
to its revision date in the end of the document in the link as it keeps
updated as much as possible.

Simply check the revision label on the PA/LPF board of your KPA500 and if
you have rev. D9 or earlier with surface mount board (NO earlier rev. A or B
with thru-hole yellow capacitors board) then the mod is for you if needed. 

As I mentioned it is not neccessary to do it if you hate to open and
dismantling your KPA500 if all is currently working well for you... There is
tons of amps that works like champ even they are old and not modified. So if
you have not issues and do not want to make prevent mod then stay calm.

BTW: yes it is official mod, Elecraft parts kit: E850607

good luck,
Petr, OK1RP



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From archernf at gmail.com  Tue Oct  1 10:40:24 2019
From: archernf at gmail.com (Neil)
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2019 10:40:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] A Great Company
Message-ID: <5D936558.8090606@gmail.com>

Thanks Eric,
I was not aware of the web site

Even Better:
Nabble.com: elecraft Searchable Daily Web Archive (view by date or discussion
thread and reply to postings.)<http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/>
http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/

Neil   N4FN
-

From a.durbin at msn.com  Tue Oct  1 12:51:49 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 16:51:49 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 - Advantage of min fan speed?
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB2968C21C6B7088A55E0A577D8C9D0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB2968ED5E3EA485C38DCDD7B88C820@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB2968E64FD92981DC36F568B08C820@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>,
	<c575cc62-feb7-5ba9-c0a9-c20a99c65403@embarqmail.com>,
	<BYAPR16MB2968012DDE4B5D529E78D0078C820@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>,
	<BYAPR16MB2968C21C6B7088A55E0A577D8C9D0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB2968917BE725EC8DE09649DE8C9D0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks to everyone who contributed their experience of operating with min fan speed set above 0.

I have some ideas for a test series and I'll share anything I learn from it.

Here is a teaser for those interested in KPA500 thermal management.  Did you know that, for a KPA500 that has not transmitted for a long time, the Z bracket is hotter than the heat sink and the heat sink is hotter than the finals.  For that condition the heat flow is from the Z bracket, into the heat sink, and then it heats the finals.  The heat flow reversed during TX as the finals heat up.

73,
Andy, k3wyc

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Oct  1 12:55:25 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 09:55:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failing on 160...AGAIN!
In-Reply-To: <FBABF273-67ED-44E5-8A5C-D55E30E5A1C0@yahoo.com>
References: <003501d574f4$171fa610$455ef230$@w2irt.net>
	<1b8325b9-572b-4369-5aaf-8cf0f7e690cd@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<2101370790.1311257.1569865727522@mail.yahoo.com>
	<FBABF273-67ED-44E5-8A5C-D55E30E5A1C0@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4304a0f4-66ec-b88d-9d30-459314a19a51@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/1/2019 2:12 AM, David Wilcox wrote:
>   A trip to Palomar Engineers with a description of your set up will help so they can sell you the correct EMI suppression toroid set up.

NO! This company doesn't have a clue, is selling the wrong components, 
and for very high prices.

73, Jim K9YC

From eric at elecraft.com  Tue Oct  1 13:28:10 2019
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 10:28:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failing on 160...AGAIN!
In-Reply-To: <4304a0f4-66ec-b88d-9d30-459314a19a51@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <003501d574f4$171fa610$455ef230$@w2irt.net>
	<1b8325b9-572b-4369-5aaf-8cf0f7e690cd@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<2101370790.1311257.1569865727522@mail.yahoo.com>
	<FBABF273-67ED-44E5-8A5C-D55E30E5A1C0@yahoo.com>
	<4304a0f4-66ec-b88d-9d30-459314a19a51@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <f76ee294-83d4-beb1-49c6-9f083db0e7d8@elecraft.com>

Folks - Looks like this thread has way drifted OT.?? Let's close it for now.

I also gave the original poster a call and his KPA1500 is OK. He made some new 
changes external to the 1500 based on list comments and the problem is no longer 
present. We'll stay in touch with him to make sure he does not run into any new 
issues going forward.

73,
Eric
/elecraft.com/



From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Tue Oct  1 16:38:08 2019
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 15:38:08 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 - Advantage of min fan speed?
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB2968917BE725EC8DE09649DE8C9D0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB2968ED5E3EA485C38DCDD7B88C820@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>	<BYAPR16MB2968E64FD92981DC36F568B08C820@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>,
	<c575cc62-feb7-5ba9-c0a9-c20a99c65403@embarqmail.com>,
	<BYAPR16MB2968012DDE4B5D529E78D0078C820@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>,
	<BYAPR16MB2968C21C6B7088A55E0A577D8C9D0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB2968917BE725EC8DE09649DE8C9D0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <034a01d57898$22e43180$68ac9480$@LNAINC.com>

I have been following this discussion with some interest.  This morning I
set the idling fan speed to 1, and after sitting at the same desk with it
for a couple hours, I am really no longer conscious of the noise (I have
other things happening).

The non-operating temp has settled in at 28?C.

And now, after 5 consecutive 15 second JS8 transmissions, and running at 275
watts, the temp has risen to 59?C and no change in fan speed.  After the 6th
consecutive transmission, the temp rises to 62?F and the fan goes to #2. 

Temps after each 15 second interval are 37, 44, 50, 55, 59 and 62?C
respectively.

With the fan at "Norm," the temp settles in at 31?C.

Running the same test, temps after each 15 second interval are 39, 44, 49,
53 56 and 59?C - so it never goes to #2.

The bottom line seems to be that there is nothing gained by setting the
minimum fan speed at #1.  In fact, you might make the case that running the
fan unnecessarily will just add more dust to the interior over time and thus
reduce the long-term cooling efficiency.

Of course, the ambient temp in your environment will skew these results.

73,
Lyn, W?LEN



-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Andy Durbin
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2019 11:52 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 - Advantage of min fan speed?

Thanks to everyone who contributed their experience of operating with min
fan speed set above 0.

I have some ideas for a test series and I'll share anything I learn from it.

Here is a teaser for those interested in KPA500 thermal management.  Did you
know that, for a KPA500 that has not transmitted for a long time, the Z
bracket is hotter than the heat sink and the heat sink is hotter than the
finals.  For that condition the heat flow is from the Z bracket, into the
heat sink, and then it heats the finals.  The heat flow reversed during TX
as the finals heat up.

73,
Andy, k3wyc
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From indians at xsmail.com  Tue Oct  1 16:47:04 2019
From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 13:47:04 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 front panel encoders
In-Reply-To: <1420120996149-7596632.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <546E3468.8090905@gmail.com>
	<1419974334409-7596591.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<000101d02479$a0f44470$e2dccd50$@sral.fi>
	<1420120996149-7596632.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1569962824736-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi 

does anybody know the type of those four encoders in order to find them on
DigiKey or so please?

Thanks



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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Oct  1 16:57:34 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 15:57:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 - Advantage of min fan speed?
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB2968917BE725EC8DE09649DE8C9D0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB2968ED5E3EA485C38DCDD7B88C820@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB2968E64FD92981DC36F568B08C820@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<c575cc62-feb7-5ba9-c0a9-c20a99c65403@embarqmail.com>
	<BYAPR16MB2968012DDE4B5D529E78D0078C820@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB2968C21C6B7088A55E0A577D8C9D0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <a713cc8c-b8e1-c1cb-cf2e-4634a577043a@blomand.net>

For SSB voice operation and CW operation I leave the fan speed at 
NORMAL.?? For digital modes, which all have a higher duty cycle, I 
usually set the fan speed to 1.?? I do find the fan speed increments up 
and down as needed and as driven by the temperature.?? When running 400 
to 500 watts most of the time for digital modes, I occasionally see 60 
degrees.?? The fan speed at 1 does not elevate the room noise at all. ? 
In fact, I don't hear it, although I do have sound damping material on 
the wall immediately behind the equipment. ? Usually something in the 
house or shack is making more noise.

As to if setting the fan speed to 1 for digital modes, it seems to keep 
the amp temperatures overall a bit lower.? No scientific study conducted.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 10/1/2019 11:51 AM, Andy Durbin wrote:
> Thanks to everyone who contributed their experience of operating with min fan speed set above 0.
>
> I have some ideas for a test series and I'll share anything I learn from it.
>
> Here is a teaser for those interested in KPA500 thermal management.  Did you know that, for a KPA500 that has not transmitted for a long time, the Z bracket is hotter than the heat sink and the heat sink is hotter than the finals.  For that condition the heat flow is from the Z bracket, into the heat sink, and then it heats the finals.  The heat flow reversed during TX as the finals heat up.
>
> 73,
> Andy, k3wyc
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From kc6cnn at gmail.com  Tue Oct  1 19:30:06 2019
From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (KC6CNN)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 16:30:06 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 For Sale
Message-ID: <1569972606708-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

I am selling my KX3. I do not use it much and would like to fund another
adventure. 

My KX3 is serial # 0757 it also has the KXAT3 tuner and KXFL3 filters and
KXUSBA cable with KX3PCKT cable kit. 
The KX3 package was $1459.70 I am selling it for $1050 dollars. 

Anyone interested can contact me off list to conserve bandwidth here at 
kc6cnn at gmail dot com

Thank you
Gerald - KC6CNN





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From WB4SON at gmail.com  Wed Oct  2 10:12:13 2019
From: WB4SON at gmail.com (Bob)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 10:12:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 - Advantage of min fan speed?
In-Reply-To: <a713cc8c-b8e1-c1cb-cf2e-4634a577043a@blomand.net>
References: <BYAPR16MB2968ED5E3EA485C38DCDD7B88C820@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB2968E64FD92981DC36F568B08C820@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<c575cc62-feb7-5ba9-c0a9-c20a99c65403@embarqmail.com>
	<BYAPR16MB2968012DDE4B5D529E78D0078C820@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB2968C21C6B7088A55E0A577D8C9D0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB2968917BE725EC8DE09649DE8C9D0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<a713cc8c-b8e1-c1cb-cf2e-4634a577043a@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <CAPonRZ_YdDHJGk9D5q9PJUYe7LL8gXa4pQpiDUbaSP=GUjj63g@mail.gmail.com>

Personally, I wish Elecraft offered a slightly different approach, rather
than a minimum fan speed setting, how about a RX minimum and TX minimum?
This would allow quiet operation on RX, but would anticipate a higher
demand for cooling on TX.

There is quite a bit of thermal mass and overshoot that happens in TX on
digital modes.  By the time the fan turns on, it tends to be running behind
the curve trying to catch up.  Starting the fan running as soon as the rig
goes into TX would help considerably and allow things to go back to quiet
in RX.

73, Bob, WB4SON


On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 4:58 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:

> For SSB voice operation and CW operation I leave the fan speed at
> NORMAL.   For digital modes, which all have a higher duty cycle, I
> usually set the fan speed to 1.   I do find the fan speed increments up
> and down as needed and as driven by the temperature.   When running 400
> to 500 watts most of the time for digital modes, I occasionally see 60
> degrees.   The fan speed at 1 does not elevate the room noise at all.
> In fact, I don't hear it, although I do have sound damping material on
> the wall immediately behind the equipment.   Usually something in the
> house or shack is making more noise.
>
> As to if setting the fan speed to 1 for digital modes, it seems to keep
> the amp temperatures overall a bit lower.  No scientific study conducted.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
> On 10/1/2019 11:51 AM, Andy Durbin wrote:
> > Thanks to everyone who contributed their experience of operating with
> min fan speed set above 0.
> >
> > I have some ideas for a test series and I'll share anything I learn from
> it.
> >
> > Here is a teaser for those interested in KPA500 thermal management.  Did
> you know that, for a KPA500 that has not transmitted for a long time, the Z
> bracket is hotter than the heat sink and the heat sink is hotter than the
> finals.  For that condition the heat flow is from the Z bracket, into the
> heat sink, and then it heats the finals.  The heat flow reversed during TX
> as the finals heat up.
> >
> > 73,
> > Andy, k3wyc
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Wed Oct  2 10:42:41 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 09:42:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 - Advantage of min fan speed?
In-Reply-To: <CAPonRZ_YdDHJGk9D5q9PJUYe7LL8gXa4pQpiDUbaSP=GUjj63g@mail.gmail.com>
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Personally I think it works great as designed.  Yes there could be changes but I doubt we'd see much, if any difference in performance. 

Hams today in general seem to delight in complaining.  I find many should look in a mirror to identify the source of an issue.  I'm one that believes in keeping things simple. 

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 2, 2019, at 9:12 AM, Bob <WB4SON at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Personally, I wish Elecraft offered a slightly different approach, rather
> than a minimum fan speed setting, how about a RX minimum and TX minimum?
> This would allow quiet operation on RX, but would anticipate a higher
> demand for cooling on TX.
> 
> There is quite a bit of thermal mass and overshoot that happens in TX on
> digital modes.  By the time the fan turns on, it tends to be running behind
> the curve trying to catch up.  Starting the fan running as soon as the rig
> goes into TX would help considerably and allow things to go back to quiet
> in RX.
> 
> 73, Bob, WB4SON
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 4:58 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
>> 
>> For SSB voice operation and CW operation I leave the fan speed at
>> NORMAL.   For digital modes, which all have a higher duty cycle, I
>> usually set the fan speed to 1.   I do find the fan speed increments up
>> and down as needed and as driven by the temperature.   When running 400
>> to 500 watts most of the time for digital modes, I occasionally see 60
>> degrees.   The fan speed at 1 does not elevate the room noise at all.
>> In fact, I don't hear it, although I do have sound damping material on
>> the wall immediately behind the equipment.   Usually something in the
>> house or shack is making more noise.
>> 
>> As to if setting the fan speed to 1 for digital modes, it seems to keep
>> the amp temperatures overall a bit lower.  No scientific study conducted.
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> Bob, K4TAX
>> 
>>> On 10/1/2019 11:51 AM, Andy Durbin wrote:
>>> Thanks to everyone who contributed their experience of operating with
>> min fan speed set above 0.
>>> 
>>> I have some ideas for a test series and I'll share anything I learn from
>> it.
>>> 
>>> Here is a teaser for those interested in KPA500 thermal management.  Did
>> you know that, for a KPA500 that has not transmitted for a long time, the Z
>> bracket is hotter than the heat sink and the heat sink is hotter than the
>> finals.  For that condition the heat flow is from the Z bracket, into the
>> heat sink, and then it heats the finals.  The heat flow reversed during TX
>> as the finals heat up.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Andy, k3wyc
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> 
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Oct  2 10:46:11 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 10:46:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 - Advantage of min fan speed?
In-Reply-To: <CAPonRZ_YdDHJGk9D5q9PJUYe7LL8gXa4pQpiDUbaSP=GUjj63g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <5f9631ff-8794-6440-1ec5-5b6491c20945@embarqmail.com>

Bob,

The problem with that is the fan must continue to run for some time 
after the return to RX so the residual heat from the TX cycle can be 
reduced.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/2/2019 10:12 AM, Bob wrote:
> Personally, I wish Elecraft offered a slightly different approach, rather
> than a minimum fan speed setting, how about a RX minimum and TX minimum?
> This would allow quiet operation on RX, but would anticipate a higher
> demand for cooling on TX.
> 
> There is quite a bit of thermal mass and overshoot that happens in TX on
> digital modes.  By the time the fan turns on, it tends to be running behind
> the curve trying to catch up.  Starting the fan running as soon as the rig
> goes into TX would help considerably and allow things to go back to quiet
> in RX.
> 

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Wed Oct  2 11:05:37 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 10:05:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 - Advantage of min fan speed?
In-Reply-To: <5f9631ff-8794-6440-1ec5-5b6491c20945@embarqmail.com>
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Thermal lag exists and likely always will.   The hysteresis is reasonably adequate in the present configuration. 

I find no objection to the performance of the present method of cooling. 

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 2, 2019, at 9:46 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> 
> The problem with that is the fan must continue to run for some time after the return to RX so the residual heat from the TX cycle can be reduced.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 10/2/2019 10:12 AM, Bob wrote:
>> Personally, I wish Elecraft offered a slightly different approach, rather
>> than a minimum fan speed setting, how about a RX minimum and TX minimum?
>> This would allow quiet operation on RX, but would anticipate a higher
>> demand for cooling on TX.
>> There is quite a bit of thermal mass and overshoot that happens in TX on
>> digital modes.  By the time the fan turns on, it tends to be running behind
>> the curve trying to catch up.  Starting the fan running as soon as the rig
>> goes into TX would help considerably and allow things to go back to quiet
>> in RX.
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From ac5p at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct  2 14:18:28 2019
From: ac5p at sbcglobal.net (Mike Maloney)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 18:18:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 sidetone booster
References: <1879007759.1734150.1570040308249.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1879007759.1734150.1570040308249@mail.yahoo.com>

Getting a nice boost from the stock speaker (MON level 2) at my preferred pitch of 500Hz. ??Booster is a 12-3/4 inch piece of 1-1/4" PVC tube (1-5/8"OD) with one end cut at 30 deg.?Placed approx. 1/8 inch from the speaker holes gives the best gain. ? Tube would be slightlyshorter for higher pitch tone.? Easy to find the peak by swinging the pitch tone. ? A slider sleeveon the end allows adjusting to desired pitch. ? For CW ops it is really nice having the additionalaudio boost at your preferred pitch. ? I pass this on FYI to those who may like to try it themselves. ?
73,
Mike AC5P



From kengkopp at gmail.com  Wed Oct  2 15:40:53 2019
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 13:40:53 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 sidetone booster
In-Reply-To: <1879007759.1734150.1570040308249@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1879007759.1734150.1570040308249.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1879007759.1734150.1570040308249@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTPNh4CiS6R_=v0F9rjhDTMmwrKB56XY_qPQ5jCq58it=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mike!

You've unknowingly re-invented the somewhat famous SKYTEC CW-1
speaker, made in Ukiah, CA a number of years ago.  It uses a sliding
tube to establish resonance.

 FWIW, I have a couple of them.

73!

Ken Kopp - K0PP

On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 12:19 PM Mike Maloney <ac5p at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Getting a nice boost from the stock speaker (MON level 2) at my preferred
> pitch of 500Hz.   Booster is a 12-3/4 inch piece of 1-1/4" PVC tube
> (1-5/8"OD) with one end cut at 30 deg. Placed approx. 1/8 inch from the
> speaker holes gives the best gain.   Tube would be slightlyshorter for
> higher pitch tone.  Easy to find the peak by swinging the pitch tone.   A
> slider sleeveon the end allows adjusting to desired pitch.   For CW ops it
> is really nice having the additionalaudio boost at your preferred pitch.
> I pass this on FYI to those who may like to try it themselves.
> 73,
> Mike AC5P
>
>
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From a.durbin at msn.com  Wed Oct  2 15:43:16 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 19:43:16 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 - Advantage of min fan speed?
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"Starting the fan running as soon as the rig goes into TX would help considerably and allow things to go back to quiet in RX."

I have implemented that feature as an option in my controller.   Current implementation is  - on TX set min fan speed = 1, 30 sec after TX stops return min fan speed to normal.   It will be easy to change min speed and dwell time if test data suggests that would be worthwhile.

It's not yet obvious that this option offers any advantage but I only used it in a casual S&P operation during CW-WW-RTTY.

Andy, k3wyc


From rayalbers at gmail.com  Wed Oct  2 16:03:46 2019
From: rayalbers at gmail.com (Ray Albers)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 16:03:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] SUB Rx dead on 40m
Message-ID: <CAFaaW6s+AxRXUSebsUY1SJ94QCmDs9WP45mE8WA=oL9iygoZyQ@mail.gmail.com>

My K3 (used, recently acquired) has the KRX3 sub receiver and the KXV3
separate antenna input installed.  I've put up a wire antenna for
receiving, to try diversity reception.  Works great except on 40m, where I
hear no signal on the SUB receiver, not even very much white noise.

Works fine on  all other bands.  And on 40 the SUB hears nothing whether
connected to the BNC connector or the main antenna.

I've been thru the Main and Config menus to see if I've missed something
but can't find anything amiss. In any case, I don't think any of the
relevant menu settings are band-specific: In other words, if I set KRX3 Ant
= bnc once, I believe that holds for all bands.

Any ideas &/or suggestions would be much appreciated!

73
Ray K2HYD

From rayalbers at gmail.com  Wed Oct  2 17:07:43 2019
From: rayalbers at gmail.com (Ray Albers)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 17:07:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Solved! (Sub receiver dead on 40m)
Message-ID: <CAFaaW6srunD=c9E=tGJMgV0ktx8d1xWjo5fE8bGX+eCFu3tQaw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to Steve WB6RSE and other commenters.  BSET controls where Sub
Receiver input goes, and it IS  settable per band.

All OK now.

73
Ray K2HYD

From elecraft at ag5ut.radio  Wed Oct  2 23:07:56 2019
From: elecraft at ag5ut.radio (Daniel Solano =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=F3mez?=)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 22:07:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Damaged KPA-100
Message-ID: <20191003030757.695F1EC3E@sarasvati.sattvik.com>

Hello, all,

I recently acquired an external KPA-100/KAT-100 for my K2.  It was working perfectly at the time of purchase, but I must have done something really wrong when I was getting it set up at home.  I am running into the following two errors:


KPA-100 T-R switch problem
==========================

The symptom that I am seeing is that in high power mode there is no output and, if the power is much above 11W, the K2 will present ?HI CURR?.  Low power transmit seems fine, and receive seems fine in both high and low power.  The KPA-100 is has not been upgraded to revision B, and is running firmware version 1.06.

I did find and repair a couple of issues:

1. I replaced D-12, as it was broken in two.
2. One end of R19 had come loose, and it has been resoldered.

I moved the KPA-100 into the K2 to eliminate the KAT-100 from the mix.

The voltages on D11-D14 are off as follows (tuned to 40m, 14.1V power supply, low power TX is 0.1W, high power TX is 11W):

D11:
  * Anode:
    * At low power, the anode seems fine in RX/TX.
    * In high power, the RX voltage seems fine at about 1.7V, but in TX it is going up to 13.9V instead of of being around 1.6V.
  * Cathode:
    * In low power RX, it is 149V instead of 14.0V.  It dips slightly in TX.
    * At high power RX, it is high at 136V instead of 14.0V.  TX voltage is also high at about 81V instead of 0.8V.

D12:
  * Anode:
    * At low power, the anode seems fine in RX.  I am not seeing the dip in low power TX from 14.1V to 13.9V.
    * In high power, the RX voltage seems fine at about 1.7V, but in TX it is going up to 13.9V instead of of being around 1.6V.
  * Cathode:
    * At low power, the RX voltae is a bit high, about 144V instead of 119V.  The voltage does dip slighltly in TX.
    * In high power, the voltages seem roughly correct (0.9V RX/121V TX)

D13:
  * Anode:
    * It seems fine at low power, staying at about 14.1V.
    * At high power, it also seems fine, going up from about 1.7V RX to 14V TX.
  * Cathode:
    * At low power, the RX voltage is high at about 148V instead of 14.1V and dips slightly on TX.
    * At high power, the RX voltage is high at about 136V instead of 14V.  At TX it drops to about 60V.

D14:
  * Anode:
    * At low power, it seems fine at RX, 14.1V.  I am not seeing the TX dip.
    * At high power, it also seems fine, going up from about 1.7V RX to 14V TX.
  * Cathode:
    * At low power, the voltages seem a touch high at 144V TX/143V RX instead of 117V/116V.
    * At high power, the RX/TX voltages seem about right at 0.9V/120V.

So, it seems to me there is an issue with biases on the T-R switch diodes.  I definitely hear a click when moving between high and low power modes, but I am not hearing anything on transmit.  I don?t know if I should.


KAT-100 startup issue
=====================

This one isn?t as big of an issue, as I have a workaround.  When the KPA-100 was installed with the KAT-100 in the EC-2 enclosure, the KAt-100 never seemed to fully ?boot? if the K2 was powered on with the power knob in the 0.1-10W range.  It would be stuck in a transmit-like state with the the antenna 1, SWR 1, and power range low LEDs lit.  Transmit wouldn?t work, and all of the LEDs on the K2?s power meter would also remain lit.  If the K2 is powered on with the power level set higher than 10W, then it seems to move past that point and enter normal operation.


Thank you for taking the time to read through this.  I am a bit of a beginner, so it?s a bit of a challenge for me to diagnose and resolve these issues.

73,

Daniel, AG5UT

From xdavid at cis-broadband.com  Thu Oct  3 00:03:15 2019
From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 21:03:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Damaged KPA-100
In-Reply-To: <20191003030757.695F1EC3E@sarasvati.sattvik.com>
References: <20191003030757.695F1EC3E@sarasvati.sattvik.com>
Message-ID: <ad8fda11-afad-5dde-1a30-55672e99719c@cis-broadband.com>


I don't have a K2 and know nothing about them, but if R19 got hot enough 
to come unsoldered I'd be surprised if it was still any good.

And if D12 broke, it probably got really hot due to over current as 
well, so anything in either of those paths is suspect.

73
Dave?? AB7E


On 10/2/2019 8:07 PM, Daniel Solano G?mez wrote:
> Hello, all,
>
> I recently acquired an external KPA-100/KAT-100 for my K2.  It was working perfectly at the time of purchase, but I must have done something really wrong when I was getting it set up at home.  I am running into the following two errors:
>
>
> KPA-100 T-R switch problem
> ==========================
>
> The symptom that I am seeing is that in high power mode there is no output and, if the power is much above 11W, the K2 will present ?HI CURR?.  Low power transmit seems fine, and receive seems fine in both high and low power.  The KPA-100 is has not been upgraded to revision B, and is running firmware version 1.06.
>
> I did find and repair a couple of issues:
>
> 1. I replaced D-12, as it was broken in two.
> 2. One end of R19 had come loose, and it has been resoldered.
>
> I moved the KPA-100 into the K2 to eliminate the KAT-100 from the mix.
>
> The voltages on D11-D14 are off as follows (tuned to 40m, 14.1V power supply, low power TX is 0.1W, high power TX is 11W):
>
> D11:
>    * Anode:
>      * At low power, the anode seems fine in RX/TX.
>      * In high power, the RX voltage seems fine at about 1.7V, but in TX it is going up to 13.9V instead of of being around 1.6V.
>    * Cathode:
>      * In low power RX, it is 149V instead of 14.0V.  It dips slightly in TX.
>      * At high power RX, it is high at 136V instead of 14.0V.  TX voltage is also high at about 81V instead of 0.8V.
>
> D12:
>    * Anode:
>      * At low power, the anode seems fine in RX.  I am not seeing the dip in low power TX from 14.1V to 13.9V.
>      * In high power, the RX voltage seems fine at about 1.7V, but in TX it is going up to 13.9V instead of of being around 1.6V.
>    * Cathode:
>      * At low power, the RX voltae is a bit high, about 144V instead of 119V.  The voltage does dip slighltly in TX.
>      * In high power, the voltages seem roughly correct (0.9V RX/121V TX)
>
> D13:
>    * Anode:
>      * It seems fine at low power, staying at about 14.1V.
>      * At high power, it also seems fine, going up from about 1.7V RX to 14V TX.
>    * Cathode:
>      * At low power, the RX voltage is high at about 148V instead of 14.1V and dips slightly on TX.
>      * At high power, the RX voltage is high at about 136V instead of 14V.  At TX it drops to about 60V.
>
> D14:
>    * Anode:
>      * At low power, it seems fine at RX, 14.1V.  I am not seeing the TX dip.
>      * At high power, it also seems fine, going up from about 1.7V RX to 14V TX.
>    * Cathode:
>      * At low power, the voltages seem a touch high at 144V TX/143V RX instead of 117V/116V.
>      * At high power, the RX/TX voltages seem about right at 0.9V/120V.
>
> So, it seems to me there is an issue with biases on the T-R switch diodes.  I definitely hear a click when moving between high and low power modes, but I am not hearing anything on transmit.  I don?t know if I should.
>
>
> KAT-100 startup issue
> =====================
>
> This one isn?t as big of an issue, as I have a workaround.  When the KPA-100 was installed with the KAT-100 in the EC-2 enclosure, the KAt-100 never seemed to fully ?boot? if the K2 was powered on with the power knob in the 0.1-10W range.  It would be stuck in a transmit-like state with the the antenna 1, SWR 1, and power range low LEDs lit.  Transmit wouldn?t work, and all of the LEDs on the K2?s power meter would also remain lit.  If the K2 is powered on with the power level set higher than 10W, then it seems to move past that point and enter normal operation.
>
>
> Thank you for taking the time to read through this.  I am a bit of a beginner, so it?s a bit of a challenge for me to diagnose and resolve these issues.
>
> 73,
>
> Daniel, AG5UT
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From n7tb at comcast.net  Thu Oct  3 01:09:04 2019
From: n7tb at comcast.net (Terry Brown)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 22:09:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K4
Message-ID: <002401d579a8$adc408f0$094c1ad0$@comcast.net>

Hello All,

 

This is not a technical post but more of a philosophical viewpoint about
buying new ham gear.

 

I first became acquainted with Elecraft gear after many years using ICOM
rigs.  I had been QRT for about 8 years and came back to the hobby
determined to dust off the CW I never used, and become proficient.  With
that decision I bought a used K2 and discovered CW and QRP.  As I continued
to develop my CW proficiency, I purchased the KX3, PX3, and KXPA 100.
Later, for portable ops I bought a KX2.   I am very happy with these rigs,
and realistically, they are really all I would ever need to enjoy many years
of CW operation.

 

When the K4 was announced, I first thought that I might try to pick up a
used K3S and Panadapter from someone purchasing a K4.  I thought, "I didn't
need to spend all that money" that a K4 would cost.

 

The more I thought about it, I got to thinking that I have never owned a
World Class Radio.  I am 71 years old.  I can financially afford a K4.  I
decided that even though what I have would have suited me just fine for the
rest of my life, I wanted the joy of unboxing, learning, and operating what
will be probably the finest rig Elecraft has ever made, and perhaps one of
the finest rigs ever made.  As a result, I put a deposit down on a new K4
yesterday.

 

For those of you who have owned the K3 and K3S when they came out, you can
understand and appreciate having the best.  I am looking forward to having
that experience, too.

 

Wayne and Eric have created something very special in Elecraft.  They truly
try to meet their customer needs, and have created a series of Radios that
are technically some of the best made, and have the advantage of
upgradability.  Their customer service is second to none; but you all know
that.

 

Anyway, just thought I would share my thoughts and look forward, as many of
you are, to being able to experience the K4.

 

73,

 

Terry, N7TB


From indians at xsmail.com  Thu Oct  3 04:24:03 2019
From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 01:24:03 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 front panel encoders
In-Reply-To: <1569962824736-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <546E3468.8090905@gmail.com>
	<1419974334409-7596591.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<000101d02479$a0f44470$e2dccd50$@sral.fi>
	<1420120996149-7596632.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1569962824736-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1570091043048-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Thanks to Elecraft excellent support and unbelievable effort from them I got
it...
E640018 PEC11R-4015F-S0018 (PEC11R-4015F-S0018-ND by Digi-Key)



-----
73 - Petr, OK1RP 
"Apple & Elecraft freak"
B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
MeWe: https://bit.ly/2HGPoDx
MeWe: https://bit.ly/2FmwvDt
--
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From kingery713 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  3 08:03:31 2019
From: kingery713 at gmail.com (R&B)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 06:03:31 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KX3; Firmware Update
Message-ID: <002201d579e2$939baac0$bad30040$@gmail.com>

Regarding the timeset function on the KX3 utility program (Windows).  It
does have that.  It was my oversight - I just didn't see it.  Regarding the
RTC calibration function - it sounds like that may not be feasible due to
the design of the radio.  Thank you all for pointing out the location of the
timeset function

 

73,

Rob - AE7AP

 


From lladerman at earthlink.net  Thu Oct  3 13:21:05 2019
From: lladerman at earthlink.net (W0FK)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 10:21:05 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: KX2
Message-ID: <1570123265631-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

 
Looking for a more recent, well optioned KX-2. Please email me with
particulars and asking price.
 
73, Lou, W0FK
lladerman AT earthlink DOT net
 




-----
St. Louis, MO

"The difference between stupidity and genius is that 
genius has its limits." Albert Einstein


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From a.durbin at msn.com  Thu Oct  3 13:27:43 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 17:27:43 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 - Advantage of min fan speed?
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB2968917BE725EC8DE09649DE8C9D0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB2968ED5E3EA485C38DCDD7B88C820@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB2968E64FD92981DC36F568B08C820@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>,
	<c575cc62-feb7-5ba9-c0a9-c20a99c65403@embarqmail.com>,
	<BYAPR16MB2968012DDE4B5D529E78D0078C820@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>,
	<BYAPR16MB2968C21C6B7088A55E0A577D8C9D0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>,
	<BYAPR16MB2968917BE725EC8DE09649DE8C9D0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB296881F5649EAD9D046D61318C9F0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

Some experimental data documented here - https://tinyurl.com/y3ghrdpw

Based on this data set I conclude there is no advantage to running minimum fan speed greater than zero.   That's going to surprise some people and comments on test method and test data are welcome.

73,
Andy, k3wyc



From macymonkeys at charter.net  Thu Oct  3 13:51:24 2019
From: macymonkeys at charter.net (Macy monkeys)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 10:51:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 - Advantage of min fan speed?
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB296881F5649EAD9D046D61318C9F0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB2968ED5E3EA485C38DCDD7B88C820@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB2968E64FD92981DC36F568B08C820@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<c575cc62-feb7-5ba9-c0a9-c20a99c65403@embarqmail.com>
	<BYAPR16MB2968012DDE4B5D529E78D0078C820@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB2968C21C6B7088A55E0A577D8C9D0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB2968917BE725EC8DE09649DE8C9D0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB296881F5649EAD9D046D61318C9F0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <2776030C-00A8-4EFB-8194-4A1243A391E1@charter.net>

During a CW ragchew with a 20 wpm 400 w transmission duration of approximately 5 minutes I was being bothered by amp fan kicking into high gear towards the tailend. So I set the fan to level two; my amp is down under my desk so fan noise is minimal. Now I can enjoy a CW ragchew without the amp fan kicking into jet engine mode. 'Pre-cooling', as it were, works for me. 

John K7FD

> On Oct 3, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Some experimental data documented here - https://tinyurl.com/y3ghrdpw
> 
> Based on this data set I conclude there is no advantage to running minimum fan speed greater than zero.   That's going to surprise some people and comments on test method and test data are welcome.
> 
> 73,
> Andy, k3wyc
> 
> 
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From nerevarthelord at gmail.com  Thu Oct  3 15:10:42 2019
From: nerevarthelord at gmail.com (Ilya)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 22:10:42 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] RX ant without KXV3?
Message-ID: <CALBnwYQcF=34KWf8dmLp_1yuC4P63-2zQC3YFm0HsZrU3_n7aA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi mates!

Is there a way to connect an RX antenna without using a KXV3 option?
I've got an IF-output socket connected directly to P86 on RF board on one
of my K3's, maybe there is a similar way for an RX ant?

Thanks and 73!
Ilya R3XA

From kwidelitz at gmail.com  Thu Oct  3 16:27:13 2019
From: kwidelitz at gmail.com (Ken Widelitz)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 13:27:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Can't Transmit SSB using Line In on K3
Message-ID: <CABs+SNBgQXOtWod4rYM4w8qs3Y-VtuDukbhLhMN5JXBkPmvBJQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have KIO3Bs for both of my K3s (plural K3, not K3S.) In getting setup for
the CQP with Writelog, I find I cannot transmit SSB using the Line In from
the KIO3B on both radios. If I plug a mic into the rear mic jack and change
the menu MIC SEL setting to rP.H I am able to transmit SSB.

I know the mic is working to the computer's internal sound card, as the
sound settings on the computer shows voice input from the mic.

The KIO3Bs are working as far as reading out the frequency of the radios,
so it is not a cable issue.

The Writelog Sound application shows the same settings I have always used:

Left Radio Rcvr - Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC)
                  Xmtr - Speakers (2- USB Audio CODEC) (Allocate
exclusively)

Right Radio Rcvr - Microphone (USB Audio CODEC)
                  Xmtr - Speakers (USB Audio CODEC) (Allocate exclusively)

Operator Mic - Microphone (Realtech High Definition Audio)  (Allocate
exclusively)

Help please!

73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT

From fhmassey at gmail.com  Thu Oct  3 17:01:24 2019
From: fhmassey at gmail.com (Fred Massey)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 16:01:24 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] preamp for using an SDR as a pan adapter
Message-ID: <CAMY8Yn_-dtVX5aYs0yLQPjrmMyjxaW1tW6GJ1PjBJs4MaHMQww@mail.gmail.com>

Good afternoon,

I have successfully connected my QSR-1 to my K3s if-out, and immediately
noticed the signal strengths showing on the QSR-1 were much weaker.  I
probably have an early K3s, so the if-out signal strength is even weaker.

Any recommendations at a good preamp to use?  It seems like 20db is what I
need:

73,
Fred
AE4ED

From arm at uniontel.net  Thu Oct  3 17:06:53 2019
From: arm at uniontel.net (Rick A.)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 16:06:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] F/S - Elecraft K2/100
Message-ID: <f673bab1-3616-d73e-6450-df698f0e60ea@uniontel.net>

I have for sale a pristine condition Elecraft K2-100. This is my second 
K2/100 rig and was meticulously built by me with the following options. 
K2, KPA100, KNB2, KSB2, K60XV and K160RX. After completion the radio was 
sent to Don Wilhelm, W3FPR for a check over and complete professional 
calibration. I have all original paperwork, QRP cover and all cables 
required. Does not come with a mic but is wired for Kenwood mic. I have 
many photos from during the assembly so you can see the quality of the 
build. Price is $1200.00 + shipping.


From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Thu Oct  3 17:12:46 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 14:12:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] preamp for using an SDR as a pan adapter
In-Reply-To: <CAMY8Yn_-dtVX5aYs0yLQPjrmMyjxaW1tW6GJ1PjBJs4MaHMQww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMY8Yn_-dtVX5aYs0yLQPjrmMyjxaW1tW6GJ1PjBJs4MaHMQww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bdea4eba-a843-0c31-285b-5d3af86ca24c@triconet.org>

I use an SDR-IQ on the i-f output on my (very) early K3S.? it works fine.? IIRC, 
always a dubious proposition, I did the mod on my original K3 and it worked well 
too without any additional amplification.? I think you have another problem.

Wes? N7WS

On 10/3/2019 2:01 PM, Fred Massey wrote:
> Good afternoon,
>
> I have successfully connected my QSR-1 to my K3s if-out, and immediately
> noticed the signal strengths showing on the QSR-1 were much weaker.  I
> probably have an early K3s, so the if-out signal strength is even weaker.
>
> Any recommendations at a good preamp to use?  It seems like 20db is what I
> need:
>
> 73,
> Fred
> AE4ED


From ns9i at bayland.net  Thu Oct  3 17:20:15 2019
From: ns9i at bayland.net (dgb)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 16:20:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FS K-POD
In-Reply-To: <CALBnwYQcF=34KWf8dmLp_1yuC4P63-2zQC3YFm0HsZrU3_n7aA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALBnwYQcF=34KWf8dmLp_1yuC4P63-2zQC3YFm0HsZrU3_n7aA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e944f021-d80f-d101-3e48-190f565c1879@bayland.net>

I'm selling my K-POD - as new in good condition - includes power cable 
with Powerpoles and the factory RJ-45 for connecting to the radio.

Will include manual and examples of programming.

$200 shipped CONUS via USPS Priority Mail - will take PayPal or Postal 
Money Order.

thanks 73 Dwight NS9I




From kwidelitz at gmail.com  Thu Oct  3 17:21:13 2019
From: kwidelitz at gmail.com (Ken Widelitz)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 14:21:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Can't Transmit SSB using Line In on K3
In-Reply-To: <CABs+SNBRWVLdCTVVMNA2zPEABu0enBo6==zTCicgkfhohc9MUA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABs+SNBgQXOtWod4rYM4w8qs3Y-VtuDukbhLhMN5JXBkPmvBJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMLogTDFD9yJhs0qcx+ubKQKBWArMAo=2r4j_aPU2NVFayxbHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABs+SNBRWVLdCTVVMNA2zPEABu0enBo6==zTCicgkfhohc9MUA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABs+SNDFnYfEZ=rbP_Cp3Kn3sTA=RLMC5AAxHv1K-NKp0zYBBw@mail.gmail.com>

Problem solved. Operator error.

I had my USB Audio CODEC and 2-USB Audio CODEC reversed and each on the
wrong radio. I actually had screen shots for both setups. I guess I changed
a while ago and forgot to delete the wrong one.

See you all in CQP.

73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 2:13 PM Ken Widelitz <kwidelitz at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Rob,
>
> As I wrote, I cannot transmit SSB using the Line In. Mic is set to Line
> 21. Yes, I am trying to use LINE IN over the built-in USB soundcard,
> Nothing is connected to the Line In on the back of the radio.
>
> 73, Ken, K6LA
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 1:37 PM Elecraft Support <support at elecraft.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Ken,
>>
>> Thank you for contacting Elecraft.  Do you have MIC SEL set to LINE IN?
>> Have you checked the LINE level using the SPEED/MIC knob?  It looks like
>> you are trying to use LINE IN over the built-in USB soundcard, is that
>> correct?  If so, do you have anything connected to the LINE IN jack on the
>> back of the radio?
>>
>> Rob
>> Elecraft Customer Support
>> support at elecraft.com
>> 831-763-4211
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 1:27 PM Ken Widelitz <kwidelitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have KIO3Bs for both of my K3s (plural K3, not K3S.) In getting setup
>>> for the CQP with Writelog, I find I cannot transmit SSB using the Line In
>>> from the KIO3B on both radios. If I plug a mic into the rear mic jack and
>>> change the menu MIC SEL setting to rP.H I am able to transmit SSB.
>>>
>>> I know the mic is working to the computer's internal sound card, as the
>>> sound settings on the computer shows voice input from the mic.
>>>
>>> The KIO3Bs are working as far as reading out the frequency of the
>>> radios, so it is not a cable issue.
>>>
>>> The Writelog Sound application shows the same settings I have always
>>> used:
>>>
>>> Left Radio Rcvr - Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC)
>>>                   Xmtr - Speakers (2- USB Audio CODEC) (Allocate
>>> exclusively)
>>>
>>> Right Radio Rcvr - Microphone (USB Audio CODEC)
>>>                   Xmtr - Speakers (USB Audio CODEC) (Allocate
>>> exclusively)
>>>
>>> Operator Mic - Microphone (Realtech High Definition Audio)  (Allocate
>>> exclusively)
>>>
>>> Help please!
>>>
>>> 73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT
>>>
>>>
>>>

From brianmo at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  3 19:13:42 2019
From: brianmo at yahoo.com (Brian Moran)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 16:13:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s/k3 modules wanted
Message-ID: <BBC42E51-CA26-42FA-88CF-6CA2D6CACDC0@yahoo.com>

On the chance that someone has a used one of these: I?m looking for the internal kpa module 100w amplifier that will upgrade my k3s/10 to a /100. Also looking for the 2nd receiver module and DVR boards. 
Thanks!
-Brian N9ADG


Sent via iPhone

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Oct  3 19:16:09 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 19:16:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 front panel encoders
In-Reply-To: <1569962824736-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1569962824736-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <03DF424C-E959-485A-807C-D62C58E061ED@widomaker.com>

Call Elecraft , that have them and will sell to you. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Oct 1, 2019, at 4:48 PM, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS <indians at xsmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi 
> 
> does anybody know the type of those four encoders in order to find them on
> DigiKey or so please?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> 73 - Petr, OK1RP 
> "Apple & Elecraft freak"
> B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
> MeWe: https://bit.ly/2HGPoDx
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From ns9i at bayland.net  Thu Oct  3 19:52:25 2019
From: ns9i at bayland.net (dgb)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 18:52:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD sold
In-Reply-To: <CAMY8Yn_-dtVX5aYs0yLQPjrmMyjxaW1tW6GJ1PjBJs4MaHMQww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMY8Yn_-dtVX5aYs0yLQPjrmMyjxaW1tW6GJ1PjBJs4MaHMQww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <385bb735-93e4-61fb-49fd-143c0bfaeade@bayland.net>

Thanks 73 Dwight NS9I


From hs0zed at gmail.com  Thu Oct  3 20:04:55 2019
From: hs0zed at gmail.com (Martin Sole)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 08:04:55 +0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] RX ant without KXV3?
In-Reply-To: <CALBnwYQcF=34KWf8dmLp_1yuC4P63-2zQC3YFm0HsZrU3_n7aA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALBnwYQcF=34KWf8dmLp_1yuC4P63-2zQC3YFm0HsZrU3_n7aA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A2F613-A328-4B4E-A578-5BD79B23A95B@gmail.com>

Hi Ilya,

This might be possible. Take a look at it he K3 schematics. Before I found a KXV3 I was considering this, certainly the IF out. 

As I recall on the main board there is a connector with the rf in and out. These are jumpered on the main board when no KXV3is fitted.

Then there should be a control signal to switch the relays for rx antenna routing. 

I think if you are reasonably technically proficient you can produce a way to make this work for you. You can probably do away with the relays if you use a jumper or manual switch when you don?t want the rx in-outfunction.

Martin, HS0ZED


Sent from my iPad

> On 4 Oct 2019, at 03:10, Ilya <nerevarthelord at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi mates!
> 
> Is there a way to connect an RX antenna without using a KXV3 option?
> I've got an IF-output socket connected directly to P86 on RF board on one
> of my K3's, maybe there is a similar way for an RX ant?
> 
> Thanks and 73!
> Ilya R3XA
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From backhoeken at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  3 20:25:32 2019
From: backhoeken at yahoo.com (Ken B)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 00:25:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Fantastic Service
In-Reply-To: <43A2F613-A328-4B4E-A578-5BD79B23A95B@gmail.com>
References: <CALBnwYQcF=34KWf8dmLp_1yuC4P63-2zQC3YFm0HsZrU3_n7aA@mail.gmail.com>
	<43A2F613-A328-4B4E-A578-5BD79B23A95B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1107047192.3383175.1570148732216@mail.yahoo.com>

 I just had an excellent call with Bruce from Elecraft service. While discussing the issue with my KPA500 we also drifted into the K4.?
That sounds like the perfect radio for myself. Now to somehow convince the CFO and chief cookie counter?  

From K5MMH at ARRL.NET  Thu Oct  3 20:45:03 2019
From: K5MMH at ARRL.NET (K5MMH)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 17:45:03 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Base Low Power output on High Bands
Message-ID: <1570149903626-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

After a several month hiatus from radio, have discovered my K2/100 (S/N 3010)
has some issues with transmit power on some bands and a receive issue on 10m
and 12m. I am the builder of this K2. 

In Feb. of this year, I wrote the reflector looking for help with ?K2 base
low xmit power on all bands @ > 10 watts?. Don Wilhelm suggested ?Since you
current draw at settings above 5 watts is excessive, I would first suspect
that T4 may have been wound for "better efficiency at 5 watts" - which
should not be used in a K2 that will be operated at greater than 5 watts
because it becomes more inefficient as the power is increased above 5 watts.
Check T4 to see how many white turns are on T4 - it should be 3 turns, but
if you find only 2 turns, rewind T4?. I checked the windings on T4 and Don
was spot on. The 3-4 winding (white wire) only had two passes thru the bino. 
I removed it and re-wound both green and white wires. I went thru
transmitter adjustments again on pages 72 and 74. Now reading the output
power using my same setup gives the following results with power set to 10
watts, and read on the LP-100 watt meter:

10m = 7.70w @ 3.30A
12m = 7.10w @ 2.66A
15m = 9.70w @ 2.22A
17m = 10.10w @ 2.32A
20m = 10.50w @ 2.40A
30m = 10.00w @ 2.26A
40m = 10.70w @ 2.24A
80m = 11.20w @ 2.42A
160m = 10.80 @ 2.38A

 I also replaced the PA transistors at that time, but did not replace Q11
and Q13
The above were the readings after rewinding T4 and replacing the PA
transistors in Feb. 2019.

Fast-forward to today. To perform the following tests, I have removed the
KPA100, removed the KSB2 (installed jumpers between pins 1-3 of J9 and J10,
C167 installed between pins 7-12 of J11), KNB2 removed (installed jumper
between pins 1-6 of J12), K160RX removed (installed jumper between pins 1-7
of J14). With power set to 10 watts, an Elecraft DL1 Dummy load connected to
load side of LP100 watt meter and the K2 BNC antenna port connected to LP100
watt meter, power supply connected to K2 DC barrel connector J3 (supplying
13.3 VDC), key-down using paddles connected to J1, reading current with K2
internal meter:

10m = 1.02 w @ 1.38 amps
12m = 1.81 w @ 1.46 amps
15m = 3.90 w @ 1.52 amps
17m = 3.70 w @ 1.52 amps
20m = 6.40 w @ 1.84 amps
30m = 8.30 w @ 2.26 amps
40m = 10.90 w @ 2.10 amps
80m = 7.10 w @ 2.42 amps

Then proceeded to Page 10 of K2 Appendix E and performed receiver signal
tracing in attempt to find receive issue on 10m and 12m. Here are the
readings using RF probe and external signal generator, comparing 30m and
12m:
PLL section Page 10, # 2             30m = .765	12m = .721
                 Page 10, # 3		30m = .310	12m = .341
                 Page 10, # 4		30m = .642	12m = .632
BFO section Page 11, # 1	        30m = .448	12m = .445
	         Page 11, # 3	        30m = .032	12m = .035
LPF section Page 11, # 9		30m = .132	12m = .054 >>>>>>> low
	         Page 11, # 10	        30m = .126	12m = .036 >>>>>>> low
	         Page 11, # 11	        30m = .042	12m = .021 >>>>>>> low
	         Page 11, # 12	        30m = .039	12m = .020 >>>>>>> low


So, I am seeking assistance on correcting the low power output on the high
bands and the receive issue on 10m and 12m.

Thanks for your assistance

Mike Harang
K5MMH




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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Oct  3 20:50:45 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 17:50:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fantastic Service
In-Reply-To: <1107047192.3383175.1570148732216@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CALBnwYQcF=34KWf8dmLp_1yuC4P63-2zQC3YFm0HsZrU3_n7aA@mail.gmail.com>
	<43A2F613-A328-4B4E-A578-5BD79B23A95B@gmail.com>
	<1107047192.3383175.1570148732216@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <349d191d-ed22-4d42-2ca2-e0712569a7a3@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/3/2019 5:25 PM, Ken B via Elecraft wrote:
> Now to somehow convince the CFO and chief cookie counter

Get her interested in sewing machines or looms. I NEVER have to ask my 
XYL about buying ham gear!

73, Jim K9YC

From ab4iq at comcast.net  Thu Oct  3 21:14:51 2019
From: ab4iq at comcast.net (Ed Pflueger)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 20:14:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Fantastic Service
In-Reply-To: <349d191d-ed22-4d42-2ca2-e0712569a7a3@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CALBnwYQcF=34KWf8dmLp_1yuC4P63-2zQC3YFm0HsZrU3_n7aA@mail.gmail.com>	<43A2F613-A328-4B4E-A578-5BD79B23A95B@gmail.com>	<1107047192.3383175.1570148732216@mail.yahoo.com>
	<349d191d-ed22-4d42-2ca2-e0712569a7a3@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <00ab01d57a51$20d09d60$6271d820$@comcast.net>

A friend of mine bought a New RADIO years ago.  His loving wife then bought
a Rivera, Refrigerator, and Rugs.  Had something to do with the "R" word.
Hi..

Ed.. AB4IQ

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fantastic Service

On 10/3/2019 5:25 PM, Ken B via Elecraft wrote:
> Now to somehow convince the CFO and chief cookie counter

Get her interested in sewing machines or looms. I NEVER have to ask my XYL
about buying ham gear!

73, Jim K9YC
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From macymonkeys at charter.net  Thu Oct  3 21:50:03 2019
From: macymonkeys at charter.net (Macy monkeys)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 18:50:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fantastic Service
In-Reply-To: <349d191d-ed22-4d42-2ca2-e0712569a7a3@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CALBnwYQcF=34KWf8dmLp_1yuC4P63-2zQC3YFm0HsZrU3_n7aA@mail.gmail.com>
	<43A2F613-A328-4B4E-A578-5BD79B23A95B@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <2D8A3D1F-F1FA-43BB-98D0-89CA9AF65790@charter.net>

Better yet, interest her in becoming a ham! 

Annette N7SG

> On Oct 3, 2019, at 5:50 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 10/3/2019 5:25 PM, Ken B via Elecraft wrote:
>> Now to somehow convince the CFO and chief cookie counter
> 
> Get her interested in sewing machines or looms. I NEVER have to ask my XYL about buying ham gear!
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From backhoeken at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  3 21:59:02 2019
From: backhoeken at yahoo.com (Ken B)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 01:59:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Fantastic Service
In-Reply-To: <2D8A3D1F-F1FA-43BB-98D0-89CA9AF65790@charter.net>
References: <CALBnwYQcF=34KWf8dmLp_1yuC4P63-2zQC3YFm0HsZrU3_n7aA@mail.gmail.com>
	<43A2F613-A328-4B4E-A578-5BD79B23A95B@gmail.com>
	<1107047192.3383175.1570148732216@mail.yahoo.com>
	<349d191d-ed22-4d42-2ca2-e0712569a7a3@audiosystemsgroup.com>
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Message-ID: <1549512414.3436477.1570154342559@mail.yahoo.com>

She is far smarter than I.? ?We are going to look at hard wood floors this weekend?

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 9:52 PM, Macy monkeys<macymonkeys at charter.net> wrote:   Better yet, interest her in becoming a ham! 

Annette N7SG

> On Oct 3, 2019, at 5:50 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 10/3/2019 5:25 PM, Ken B via Elecraft wrote:
>> Now to somehow convince the CFO and chief cookie counter
> 
> Get her interested in sewing machines or looms. I NEVER have to ask my XYL about buying ham gear!
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From W2xj at w2xj.net  Thu Oct  3 22:08:15 2019
From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 22:08:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fantastic Service
In-Reply-To: <349d191d-ed22-4d42-2ca2-e0712569a7a3@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <349d191d-ed22-4d42-2ca2-e0712569a7a3@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <8A8DDF6D-749B-458B-A4D4-0AB6D6B73714@w2xj.net>

Are we getting a little sexist here?

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 3, 2019, at 8:51 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> 
> ?On 10/3/2019 5:25 PM, Ken B via Elecraft wrote:
>> Now to somehow convince the CFO and chief cookie counter
> 
> Get her interested in sewing machines or looms. I NEVER have to ask my XYL about buying ham gear!
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Thu Oct  3 22:50:17 2019
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Thu,  3 Oct 2019 19:50:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fantastic Service
In-Reply-To: <8A8DDF6D-749B-458B-A4D4-0AB6D6B73714@w2xj.net>
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-1E2E06D3B9304B0CB5E3B0816EB701E9@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

I don't think so. We're discussing how to convince a non-ham SO 
to be willing to allow expenditures on things that totally 
disinterest them.

There is at least one person who has posted on this list that he 
and his SO have an, "equal money for hobbies" agreement, and he 
needed to spend some money to even things out.

In my case, my wife is a ham, but not interested in radio 
technology. She just, "Wants it to work" and does mostly emcom. 
She is interested in fiber arts, so I'm the local spinning wheel 
mechanic. I knit as a part of keeping the relationship together. 
(And to have socks that fit.) I once knit her a sweater using 
yarn that she had spun, if that's not too self-referencial. She 
doesn't complain when I spend money on ham radio stuff, but I 
try to be reasonable.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 10/3/19 at 7:08 PM, W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj) wrote:

>Are we getting a little sexist here?
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>>On Oct 3, 2019, at 8:51 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>>?On 10/3/2019 5:25 PM, Ken B via Elecraft wrote:
>>> Now to somehow convince the CFO and chief cookie counter
>>
>>Get her interested in sewing machines or looms. I NEVER have to ask my XYL about
>buying ham gear!
>>
>>73, Jim K9YC

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From dl2mdu at darc.de  Fri Oct  4 01:43:50 2019
From: dl2mdu at darc.de (Christian Friess)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 07:43:50 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Fantastic Service
In-Reply-To: <2D8A3D1F-F1FA-43BB-98D0-89CA9AF65790@charter.net>
References: <CALBnwYQcF=34KWf8dmLp_1yuC4P63-2zQC3YFm0HsZrU3_n7aA@mail.gmail.com>
	<43A2F613-A328-4B4E-A578-5BD79B23A95B@gmail.com>
	<1107047192.3383175.1570148732216@mail.yahoo.com>
	<349d191d-ed22-4d42-2ca2-e0712569a7a3@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<2D8A3D1F-F1FA-43BB-98D0-89CA9AF65790@charter.net>
Message-ID: <f117d128-4584-34ab-7fad-8b3a7647af1e@darc.de>

But make sure you have 2 Stations in the shack.

Or you won't never ever have to ask her about buying ham gear. But you 
have to ask for playing the radio. ;-)

73 de Chris, DL2MDU

Am 04.10.2019 um 03:50 schrieb Macy monkeys:
> Better yet, interest her in becoming a ham!
>
> Annette N7SG
>
>> On Oct 3, 2019, at 5:50 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/3/2019 5:25 PM, Ken B via Elecraft wrote:
>>> Now to somehow convince the CFO and chief cookie counter
>> Get her interested in sewing machines or looms. I NEVER have to ask my XYL about buying ham gear!
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
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From paulapalmer26 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  4 08:06:27 2019
From: paulapalmer26 at gmail.com (Paulapalmer)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 05:06:27 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] fix printer showing Offline Windows 10?
Message-ID: <1570190787087-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi all you need is get to know to how to fix printer showing Offline Windows
10

By following some simple measures you can get the solution for the printer
errors

Follow the following step

Method ? 1
Look for Printer connection

Method ? 2
Update to Printer Drivers File- Manual Update & Automatic Update

Method ? 3
ReSetting of Print spooler

Method ? 4 
Get to add a second Printer

Method ? 5
Reinstalling Printer Driver

Method ? 6
Use of VPN when connected to printer

Since the procedure steps are too much that why its not detailed stated.
Follow these steps with the images, follow the below link- 

https://www.printerrepairguide.com/how-to-fix-printer-showing-offline-windows-10/




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From paulapalmer26 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  4 08:16:58 2019
From: paulapalmer26 at gmail.com (Paulapalmer)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 05:16:58 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] How To Delete A Folder In AOL Mail
Message-ID: <1570191418071-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

How To Delete A Folder In AOL Mail

By following some simple measures you can get the solution for the AOL Mail
errors

Follow the following step


Method ? 1
log in to your AOL account


Method ? 2
Check for the list of folders on left

Method ? 3
choose settings option on the left & select it.

Method ? 4
After thta specify the title of the file & location of that file in the mail


Follow these steps with the images, by below link- 

https://emailsfix.com/aol-email/how-to-delete-a-folder-in-aol-mail/




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From ky5g at montac.com  Fri Oct  4 10:34:12 2019
From: ky5g at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 09:34:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] How To Delete A Folder In AOL Mail
In-Reply-To: <1570191418071-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <39e12ccf-b56d-4a49-a75f-8c71715e517e@localhost>

  
  
Solution #2: 100% GUARANTEED to prevent a recurrence of the issue.
  

  
Dump AOL and get a real email account....    or even gmail.
  

  
;)
  
  
  

  
  
  
  
  
>   
> On Oct 4, 2019 at 07:16, Paulapalmer  <paulapalmer26 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>   
>   
>  How To Delete A Folder In AOL Mail By following some simple measures you can get the solution for the AOL Mail errors Follow the following step Method ? 1 log in to your AOL account Method ? 2 Check for the list of folders on left Method ? 3 choose settings option on the left  &  select it. Method ? 4 After thta specify the title of the file  &  location of that file in the mail Follow these steps with the images, by below link- https://emailsfix.com/aol-email/how-to-delete-a-folder-in-aol-mail/ ----- http://printerrepairguide.com -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ky5g at montac.com  
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From graziano at roccon.com  Fri Oct  4 10:57:16 2019
From: graziano at roccon.com (Graziano Roccon (IW2NOY))
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2019 16:57:16 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K4
In-Reply-To: <002401d579a8$adc408f0$094c1ad0$@comcast.net>
References: <002401d579a8$adc408f0$094c1ad0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <411c65edbe6f38bccee6ee633a434938@roccon.com>

Hello Terry,

thanks for sharing your thoughts, i agree in many points.
My Elecraft experience begun a K2 i bought used, in perfect condition 
and full optionals.
I am still in love with that K2 and is still my favourite radio from 
Elecraft, because for me...
The K2 is the perfect incarnation of the Elecraft philosophy:
1- Is a kit
2- Is for everyone
3- Is complete
4- IS well documented and supported (from Elecraft and from the 
communities)
5- Is not a toy but a real radio
6- Is a killer in performance
7- Is a perfect CW machine !!!

Later i bought a KX3 and i discovered the little magic in it !
The KX3 is one of the fionest recevier i ever heard, the CW note is 
beautyfull, seems unbelievable for a so litlle rig.
I was impressed by the total number of controls and functionalities they 
has been enable to insert in the KX3, nothing is missing, no 
compromises, wherever you are !

And in finally, just a year later that K3s comes on the market, i bought 
an initial small K-Line from friend (K3s + P3 + SP3).
I played a week everyday with the K3s and i fallen in love again !
I loved the CW audio, the keyer, the QSK, the selectivity, the rock 
solid frontend also during contest, the ergonomics, THE MACRO to 
automate some operations (this is one of the best invention in Elecraft, 
nobody else think before they to a solution like this). The macro get 
more power if in combo with a K-Pod, another nice invention.
Moreover, macro are not only resident in the K3s but also in all the 
components of the K-Lines, so, with onliy one macro you can set 
parameters or do different actions on all the components of the
K-Line.

This is the magic in Elecraft and the advantages of a really integrated 
lines of accessories.
I just complete my K-Line with a KPA-500 and is a awesome.

I am sure the K4 will have the same effects on all his buyers, old 
Elecrafter will enjoy the new toy, new customer will become Elecrafter 
like many of us.

Despite are many years that i own different models of Elecraft gears, 
everyday i enjoy to use them, like the first day.

I am sure one of the proudest Elecraft here in Italy, ask to Eric for 
references, he have a good collections of my t-shirts Elecracft themed 
for Friedricshafen Ham Fest :-)

Welcome aboard guys !

Best 73's de Graziano IW2NOY

PS
Sorry if there are some error in my email, i am not mothertongue and i 
wrote this email in very short time listening to my hearth. See ya ;-)


Il 03/10/2019 07:09 Terry Brown ha scritto:
> Hello All,
> 
> 
> 
> This is not a technical post but more of a philosophical viewpoint 
> about
> buying new ham gear.
> 
> 
> 
> I first became acquainted with Elecraft gear after many years using 
> ICOM
> rigs.  I had been QRT for about 8 years and came back to the hobby
> determined to dust off the CW I never used, and become proficient.  
> With
> that decision I bought a used K2 and discovered CW and QRP.  As I 
> continued
> to develop my CW proficiency, I purchased the KX3, PX3, and KXPA 100.
> Later, for portable ops I bought a KX2.   I am very happy with these 
> rigs,
> and realistically, they are really all I would ever need to enjoy many 
> years
> of CW operation.
> 
> 
> 
> When the K4 was announced, I first thought that I might try to pick up 
> a
> used K3S and Panadapter from someone purchasing a K4.  I thought, "I 
> didn't
> need to spend all that money" that a K4 would cost.
> 
> 
> 
> The more I thought about it, I got to thinking that I have never owned 
> a
> World Class Radio.  I am 71 years old.  I can financially afford a K4.  
> I
> decided that even though what I have would have suited me just fine for 
> the
> rest of my life, I wanted the joy of unboxing, learning, and operating 
> what
> will be probably the finest rig Elecraft has ever made, and perhaps one 
> of
> the finest rigs ever made.  As a result, I put a deposit down on a new 
> K4
> yesterday.
> 
> 
> 
> For those of you who have owned the K3 and K3S when they came out, you 
> can
> understand and appreciate having the best.  I am looking forward to 
> having
> that experience, too.
> 
> 
> 
> Wayne and Eric have created something very special in Elecraft.  They 
> truly
> try to meet their customer needs, and have created a series of Radios 
> that
> are technically some of the best made, and have the advantage of
> upgradability.  Their customer service is second to none; but you all 
> know
> that.
> 
> 
> 
> Anyway, just thought I would share my thoughts and look forward, as 
> many of
> you are, to being able to experience the K4.
> 
> 
> 
> 73,
> 
> 
> 
> Terry, N7TB
> 
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From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Fri Oct  4 11:14:53 2019
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 10:14:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD needed
Message-ID: <D056C567-3132-4017-9BD5-0DA951110963@gmail.com>

Guess I missed the last one, if you have an extra K-POD, please contact me - offline

kg9h at ARRL dot net

-73-  Frank    KG9H
kg9hfrank at gmail.com





From rthorne at rthorne.net  Fri Oct  4 11:43:27 2019
From: rthorne at rthorne.net (Richard Thorne)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 10:43:27 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD needed
In-Reply-To: <D056C567-3132-4017-9BD5-0DA951110963@gmail.com>
References: <D056C567-3132-4017-9BD5-0DA951110963@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E7FBA1F8-DC7E-4FB7-80BC-6B7C98F81446@rthorne.net>

Highly recommended, I enjoy the one I have.

Rich - N5ZC

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 4, 2019, at 10:14 AM, Frank Krozel <kg9hfrank at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Guess I missed the last one, if you have an extra K-POD, please contact me - offline
> 
> kg9h at ARRL dot net
> 
> -73-  Frank    KG9H
> kg9hfrank at gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Oct  4 11:58:02 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 11:58:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Base Low Power output on High Bands
In-Reply-To: <1570149903626-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1570149903626-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <2e3ce9b5-a0aa-f3cc-fdcb-d9ded617ad36@embarqmail.com>

Mike,

The current draw now looks to be in line with the power output, but your 
output drops off with increasing frequency.

First measure the voltage at the base of Q7 and Q8 during transmit.  If 
it is not in the range of 0.60 to 0.64 volts, replace Q11 and Q13.

Since you are measuring the receive signal path, and have verified that 
the internal K2 signals are OK, you apparently have a problem in the T/R 
switch or the Low Pass Filter.  I suspect the T/R switch first.

Make certain all the RFCs in the T/R switch are not open - including the 
RFC3 toroid, and check the orientation of diodes D1 through D5.
In receive, do you have 8 volts at the anode of D4?  The cathodes of D3 
and D4 should be at least 0.4 volts (preferably 0.6 volts lower than the 
anodes.
Is RFC3 wound on a gray ferrite core?  If wound on a black core, that is 
your problem.

Once you do those checks, skip to the Transmit Mixer, Buffer, Bandpass 
Filter, T/R Switch tests during transmit (or TUNE) on page 14 of the 
manual Appendix E.  At which point in the sequence does the RF voltage 
drop significantly lower than the Expected value - ignore any RF 
voltages which are higher than the Expected value (except for the T-R 
Switch #1 which should be lower than Expected).

73,
Don W3FPR


On 10/3/2019 8:45 PM, K5MMH wrote:
> After a several month hiatus from radio, have discovered my K2/100 (S/N 3010)
> has some issues with transmit power on some bands and a receive issue on 10m
> and 12m. I am the builder of this K2.

> 10m = 1.02 w @ 1.38 amps
> 12m = 1.81 w @ 1.46 amps
> 15m = 3.90 w @ 1.52 amps
> 17m = 3.70 w @ 1.52 amps
> 20m = 6.40 w @ 1.84 amps
> 30m = 8.30 w @ 2.26 amps
> 40m = 10.90 w @ 2.10 amps
> 80m = 7.10 w @ 2.42 amps
> 
> Then proceeded to Page 10 of K2 Appendix E and performed receiver signal
> tracing in attempt to find receive issue on 10m and 12m. Here are the
> readings using RF probe and external signal generator, comparing 30m and
> 12m:
> PLL section Page 10, # 2             30m = .765	12m = .721
>                   Page 10, # 3		30m = .310	12m = .341
>                   Page 10, # 4		30m = .642	12m = .632
> BFO section Page 11, # 1	        30m = .448	12m = .445
> 	         Page 11, # 3	        30m = .032	12m = .035
> LPF section Page 11, # 9		30m = .132	12m = .054 >>>>>>> low
> 	         Page 11, # 10	        30m = .126	12m = .036 >>>>>>> low
> 	         Page 11, # 11	        30m = .042	12m = .021 >>>>>>> low
> 	         Page 11, # 12	        30m = .039	12m = .020 >>>>>>> low
> 
> 
> So, I am seeking assistance on correcting the low power output on the high
> bands and the receive issue on 10m and 12m.
> 

From fhmassey at gmail.com  Fri Oct  4 13:24:32 2019
From: fhmassey at gmail.com (Fred Massey)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 12:24:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] preamp for using an SDR as a pan adapter
In-Reply-To: <bdea4eba-a843-0c31-285b-5d3af86ca24c@triconet.org>
References: <CAMY8Yn_-dtVX5aYs0yLQPjrmMyjxaW1tW6GJ1PjBJs4MaHMQww@mail.gmail.com>
	<bdea4eba-a843-0c31-285b-5d3af86ca24c@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <CAMY8Yn9f8L_yBeHXnRYrZM1Em3s=DSzteZhPp7fgCmT7TQ5YGw@mail.gmail.com>

Good afternoon Wes and all,

If I connect the antenna directly to the QSR-1, I get the same signal level
as the K3s.  But, when I connect to the QSR-1 to the IF-out, the signal is
about 4 s-units less.

Any ideas...anyone?

Fred

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 4:14 PM Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:

> I use an SDR-IQ on the i-f output on my (very) early K3S.  it works fine.
> IIRC,
> always a dubious proposition, I did the mod on my original K3 and it
> worked well
> too without any additional amplification.  I think you have another
> problem.
>
> Wes  N7WS
>
> On 10/3/2019 2:01 PM, Fred Massey wrote:
> > Good afternoon,
> >
> > I have successfully connected my QSR-1 to my K3s if-out, and immediately
> > noticed the signal strengths showing on the QSR-1 were much weaker.  I
> > probably have an early K3s, so the if-out signal strength is even weaker.
> >
> > Any recommendations at a good preamp to use?  It seems like 20db is what
> I
> > need:
> >
> > 73,
> > Fred
> > AE4ED
>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Oct  4 13:43:53 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 13:43:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] preamp for using an SDR as a pan adapter
In-Reply-To: <CAMY8Yn9f8L_yBeHXnRYrZM1Em3s=DSzteZhPp7fgCmT7TQ5YGw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMY8Yn_-dtVX5aYs0yLQPjrmMyjxaW1tW6GJ1PjBJs4MaHMQww@mail.gmail.com>
	<bdea4eba-a843-0c31-285b-5d3af86ca24c@triconet.org>
	<CAMY8Yn9f8L_yBeHXnRYrZM1Em3s=DSzteZhPp7fgCmT7TQ5YGw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a47af456-1909-4107-4761-dd2d2a01cd5b@embarqmail.com>

Fred,

Have you looked the K3 IF Output mod? 
https://ftp.elecraft.com/K3/Mod%20Notes%20Alerts/IF_Output_Buffer_Gain_Mod_Rev_A.pdf

If you don't have the 13k SMD resistor or a 1/8 watt 13k resistor, you 
can order the kit from Elecraft.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/4/2019 1:24 PM, Fred Massey wrote:
> Good afternoon Wes and all,
> 
> If I connect the antenna directly to the QSR-1, I get the same signal level
> as the K3s.  But, when I connect to the QSR-1 to the IF-out, the signal is
> about 4 s-units less.
> 
> Any ideas...anyone?
> 
> Fred
> 
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 4:14 PM Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
> 
>> I use an SDR-IQ on the i-f output on my (very) early K3S.  it works fine.
>> IIRC,
>> always a dubious proposition, I did the mod on my original K3 and it
>> worked well
>> too without any additional amplification.  I think you have another
>> problem.
>>
>> Wes  N7WS
>>
>> On 10/3/2019 2:01 PM, Fred Massey wrote:
>>> Good afternoon,
>>>
>>> I have successfully connected my QSR-1 to my K3s if-out, and immediately
>>> noticed the signal strengths showing on the QSR-1 were much weaker.  I
>>> probably have an early K3s, so the if-out signal strength is even weaker.
>>>
>>> Any recommendations at a good preamp to use?  It seems like 20db is what
>> I
>>> need:
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Fred
>>> AE4ED
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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>>
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>> Message delivered to fhmassey at gmail.com
> ______________________________________________________________
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> 

From keith at elecraft.com  Fri Oct  4 13:49:03 2019
From: keith at elecraft.com (Keith Trinity WE6R)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 10:49:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] RX ant without KXV3?
In-Reply-To: <43A2F613-A328-4B4E-A578-5BD79B23A95B@gmail.com>
References: <43A2F613-A328-4B4E-A578-5BD79B23A95B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <35b444af-1092-42d0-f90b-57d1b8729473@elecraft.com>

There are two jumpers on J66 (either wire ones in the socket,,, OR on 
OLD boards, you cut jumpers on the RF board).
See schematic and see the silk screen for jumpers W1 & W2

It is nice to have a receiver there because it bypasses the LPF 
circuitry, a MUST for Lowfer operation!
I jack IN there for testing boards.
**Remember the TX goes thru that too, so you would have to manage that too.

HOWEVER:
I have upgraded MANY radios to the new KXV3B, so there are PLENTY of 
folks that have their old KXV3 boards!
You might also need:
Escutcheon E100224SS
Two longer bolts E700177
Might as well get the IF out cable too E850292
Keith WE6R



From fhmassey at gmail.com  Fri Oct  4 13:57:35 2019
From: fhmassey at gmail.com (Fred Massey)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 12:57:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] preamp for using an SDR as a pan adapter
In-Reply-To: <a47af456-1909-4107-4761-dd2d2a01cd5b@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAMY8Yn_-dtVX5aYs0yLQPjrmMyjxaW1tW6GJ1PjBJs4MaHMQww@mail.gmail.com>
	<bdea4eba-a843-0c31-285b-5d3af86ca24c@triconet.org>
	<CAMY8Yn9f8L_yBeHXnRYrZM1Em3s=DSzteZhPp7fgCmT7TQ5YGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<a47af456-1909-4107-4761-dd2d2a01cd5b@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMY8Yn_CEE48OrN7t8ppnLvH7jkdR5OGhuvFOep6nSJLeN-ufA@mail.gmail.com>

Some.  I was planning on sending an email to Elecraft support with the s/n
of my K3s to see if I needed the mod.  The difference I?m seeing in signal
strength is about 20+ dB.  Is it normal for the if-out to be weaker than a
direct connection to the antenna?
73,
Fred
AE4ED

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 12:44 PM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Fred,
>
> Have you looked the K3 IF Output mod?
>
> https://ftp.elecraft.com/K3/Mod%20Notes%20Alerts/IF_Output_Buffer_Gain_Mod_Rev_A.pdf
>
> If you don't have the 13k SMD resistor or a 1/8 watt 13k resistor, you
> can order the kit from Elecraft.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 10/4/2019 1:24 PM, Fred Massey wrote:
> > Good afternoon Wes and all,
> >
> > If I connect the antenna directly to the QSR-1, I get the same signal
> level
> > as the K3s.  But, when I connect to the QSR-1 to the IF-out, the signal
> is
> > about 4 s-units less.
> >
> > Any ideas...anyone?
> >
> > Fred
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 4:14 PM Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I use an SDR-IQ on the i-f output on my (very) early K3S.  it works
> fine.
> >> IIRC,
> >> always a dubious proposition, I did the mod on my original K3 and it
> >> worked well
> >> too without any additional amplification.  I think you have another
> >> problem.
> >>
> >> Wes  N7WS
> >>
> >> On 10/3/2019 2:01 PM, Fred Massey wrote:
> >>> Good afternoon,
> >>>
> >>> I have successfully connected my QSR-1 to my K3s if-out, and
> immediately
> >>> noticed the signal strengths showing on the QSR-1 were much weaker.  I
> >>> probably have an early K3s, so the if-out signal strength is even
> weaker.
> >>>
> >>> Any recommendations at a good preamp to use?  It seems like 20db is
> what
> >> I
> >>> need:
> >>>
> >>> 73,
> >>> Fred
> >>> AE4ED
> >>
> >> ______________________________________________________________
> >> Elecraft mailing list
> >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> >>
> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> >> Message delivered to fhmassey at gmail.com
> > ______________________________________________________________
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> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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> >
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> > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com
> >
>

From billamader at gmail.com  Fri Oct  4 14:20:01 2019
From: billamader at gmail.com (K8TE)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 11:20:01 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 - Advantage of min fan speed?
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB296881F5649EAD9D046D61318C9F0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB2968ED5E3EA485C38DCDD7B88C820@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB2968E64FD92981DC36F568B08C820@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<c575cc62-feb7-5ba9-c0a9-c20a99c65403@embarqmail.com>
	<BYAPR16MB2968C21C6B7088A55E0A577D8C9D0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB2968917BE725EC8DE09649DE8C9D0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB296881F5649EAD9D046D61318C9F0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1570213201253-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Excellent work Andy!  The data make a point that anecdotes fail to
accomplish.  My good friend Alan, K0BG, describes this culture as "It
WORKs."  WithOUt Real Knowledge.  There is too much of this going around and
not enough data.

I will give a presentation on using WSPRLite at Pacificon later this month. 
Those little transmitters provide data on antenna performance whereas the
rest of the amateur radio world is satisfied with "This beats the dipole I
had up last year."  Collecting data allows us to make informed decisions and
not rely on what the unicorns bring to the table.

73, Bill, K8TE



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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Fri Oct  4 14:28:38 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 11:28:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] preamp for using an SDR as a pan adapter
In-Reply-To: <a47af456-1909-4107-4761-dd2d2a01cd5b@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAMY8Yn_-dtVX5aYs0yLQPjrmMyjxaW1tW6GJ1PjBJs4MaHMQww@mail.gmail.com>
	<bdea4eba-a843-0c31-285b-5d3af86ca24c@triconet.org>
	<CAMY8Yn9f8L_yBeHXnRYrZM1Em3s=DSzteZhPp7fgCmT7TQ5YGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<a47af456-1909-4107-4761-dd2d2a01cd5b@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <a885620b-b5c8-bccb-3a09-f0d6792be3e4@triconet.org>

He says he has a K3S.? They don't need the mod.


On 10/4/2019 10:43 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Fred,
>
> Have you looked the K3 IF Output mod? 
> https://ftp.elecraft.com/K3/Mod%20Notes%20Alerts/IF_Output_Buffer_Gain_Mod_Rev_A.pdf
>
> If you don't have the 13k SMD resistor or a 1/8 watt 13k resistor, you can 
> order the kit from Elecraft.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 10/4/2019 1:24 PM, Fred Massey wrote:
>> Good afternoon Wes and all,
>>
>> If I connect the antenna directly to the QSR-1, I get the same signal level
>> as the K3s.? But, when I connect to the QSR-1 to the IF-out, the signal is
>> about 4 s-units less.
>>
>> Any ideas...anyone?
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> O


From billamader at gmail.com  Fri Oct  4 14:30:30 2019
From: billamader at gmail.com (K8TE)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 11:30:30 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Can't Transmit SSB using Line In on K3
In-Reply-To: <CABs+SNDFnYfEZ=rbP_Cp3Kn3sTA=RLMC5AAxHv1K-NKp0zYBBw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABs+SNBgQXOtWod4rYM4w8qs3Y-VtuDukbhLhMN5JXBkPmvBJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABs+SNDFnYfEZ=rbP_Cp3Kn3sTA=RLMC5AAxHv1K-NKp0zYBBw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1570213830715-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Been there; done that Ken.  While we only used one of the K3's for the WAE
SSB Contest with N1MM+, it worked fine once I configured everything
properly.  I made careful notes of all the connections I changed for N1MM+
and restored the changes after contest.  We had a great time at your
station!

73, Bill, K8TE
Team VY2AT



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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Fri Oct  4 14:31:57 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 11:31:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fantastic Service
In-Reply-To: <349d191d-ed22-4d42-2ca2-e0712569a7a3@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CALBnwYQcF=34KWf8dmLp_1yuC4P63-2zQC3YFm0HsZrU3_n7aA@mail.gmail.com>
	<43A2F613-A328-4B4E-A578-5BD79B23A95B@gmail.com>
	<1107047192.3383175.1570148732216@mail.yahoo.com>
	<349d191d-ed22-4d42-2ca2-e0712569a7a3@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <a8d0bd06-2784-0f5e-cb76-ac7c0cab34b5@foothill.net>

Needle point is also very good.? It's kept my "radio account" healthy 
for years, and we have always had an Equal Hobby Allowance policy.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 10/3/2019 5:50 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 10/3/2019 5:25 PM, Ken B via Elecraft wrote:
>> Now to somehow convince the CFO and chief cookie counter
>
> Get her interested in sewing machines or looms. I NEVER have to ask my 
> XYL about buying ham gear!
>
> 73, Jim K9YC


From wa4pgm at embarqmail.com  Fri Oct  4 14:51:20 2019
From: wa4pgm at embarqmail.com (Kyle Chavis)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 14:51:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fantastic Service
In-Reply-To: <1107047192.3383175.1570148732216@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CALBnwYQcF=34KWf8dmLp_1yuC4P63-2zQC3YFm0HsZrU3_n7aA@mail.gmail.com>
	<43A2F613-A328-4B4E-A578-5BD79B23A95B@gmail.com>
	<1107047192.3383175.1570148732216@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9edd7afd-0515-9851-c142-0cee3cdf2d22@embarqmail.com>

I received a reply from Rob in Elecraft Service about the encoders on my 
KX3 and his suggestion fixed the issue and Elecraft is sending me new 
knobs at no cost!
Fantastic Service!!? The reason I have a K1, (had)K2, K3, KX3, period!
73 Kyle

On 10/3/2019 8:25 PM, Ken B via Elecraft wrote:
>   I just had an excellent call with Bruce from Elecraft service. While discussing the issue with my KPA500 we also drifted into the K4.
> That sounds like the perfect radio for myself. Now to somehow convince the CFO and chief cookie counter
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Oct  4 15:17:19 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 14:17:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] preamp for using an SDR as a pan adapter
In-Reply-To: <CAMY8Yn_CEE48OrN7t8ppnLvH7jkdR5OGhuvFOep6nSJLeN-ufA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<bdea4eba-a843-0c31-285b-5d3af86ca24c@triconet.org>
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In a word, YES.?? I find that to be true with my K3S as well as other 
brands/models of radios.?? Thus you'll need about 20 dB of gain in the 
form of a preamp between the IF output and the QSR receiver.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 10/4/2019 12:57 PM, Fred Massey wrote:
> Some.  I was planning on sending an email to Elecraft support with the s/n
> of my K3s to see if I needed the mod.  The difference I?m seeing in signal
> strength is about 20+ dB.  Is it normal for the if-out to be weaker than a
> direct connection to the antenna?
> 73,
> Fred
> AE4ED
>
> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 12:44 PM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Fred,
>>
>> Have you looked the K3 IF Output mod?
>>
>> https://ftp.elecraft.com/K3/Mod%20Notes%20Alerts/IF_Output_Buffer_Gain_Mod_Rev_A.pdf
>>
>> If you don't have the 13k SMD resistor or a 1/8 watt 13k resistor, you
>> can order the kit from Elecraft.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 10/4/2019 1:24 PM, Fred Massey wrote:
>>> Good afternoon Wes and all,
>>>
>>> If I connect the antenna directly to the QSR-1, I get the same signal
>> level
>>> as the K3s.  But, when I connect to the QSR-1 to the IF-out, the signal
>> is
>>> about 4 s-units less.
>>>
>>> Any ideas...anyone?
>>>
>>> Fred
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 4:14 PM Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I use an SDR-IQ on the i-f output on my (very) early K3S.  it works
>> fine.
>>>> IIRC,
>>>> always a dubious proposition, I did the mod on my original K3 and it
>>>> worked well
>>>> too without any additional amplification.  I think you have another
>>>> problem.
>>>>
>>>> Wes  N7WS
>>>>
>>>> On 10/3/2019 2:01 PM, Fred Massey wrote:
>>>>> Good afternoon,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have successfully connected my QSR-1 to my K3s if-out, and
>> immediately
>>>>> noticed the signal strengths showing on the QSR-1 were much weaker.  I
>>>>> probably have an early K3s, so the if-out signal strength is even
>> weaker.
>>>>> Any recommendations at a good preamp to use?  It seems like 20db is
>> what
>>>> I
>>>>> need:
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Fred
>>>>> AE4ED
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From fhmassey at gmail.com  Fri Oct  4 15:19:42 2019
From: fhmassey at gmail.com (Fred Massey)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 14:19:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] preamp for using an SDR as a pan adapter
In-Reply-To: <14758bca-3995-2eef-d0e3-4580aaf33941@triconet.org>
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I read that early K3s also needed the mod.

Wes, thanks your measurements make sense, and I suspect that is normal.

Fred

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 2:15 PM Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:

> I just ran a test on my K3S configuration.  Using an XG-2 on 20 meters and
> the
> SDR-IQ, which is very well calibrated, the i-f output is 6 dB below the
> antenna
> input.
>
> Wes  N7WS
>
> On 10/4/2019 10:57 AM, Fred Massey wrote:
> > Some.  I was planning on sending an email to Elecraft support with the
> s/n of
> > my K3s to see if I needed the mod.  The difference I?m seeing in signal
> > strength is about 20+ dB.  Is it normal for the if-out to be weaker than
> a
> > direct connection to the antenna?
> > 73,
> > Fred
> > AE4ED
>
>

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Fri Oct  4 15:15:06 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 12:15:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] preamp for using an SDR as a pan adapter
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I just ran a test on my K3S configuration.? Using an XG-2 on 20 meters and the 
SDR-IQ, which is very well calibrated, the i-f output is 6 dB below the antenna 
input.

Wes? N7WS

On 10/4/2019 10:57 AM, Fred Massey wrote:
> Some.? I was planning on sending an email to Elecraft support with the s/n of 
> my K3s to see if I needed the mod.? The difference I?m seeing in signal 
> strength is about 20+ dB.? Is it normal for the if-out to be weaker than a 
> direct connection to the antenna?
> 73,
> Fred
> AE4ED


From a.durbin at msn.com  Fri Oct  4 16:05:29 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 20:05:29 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 autotune save
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB29686FCF3C94078E7641BAAE8C9E0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

The KAT500 appears to always save the result of an autotune (FT;) to the current frequency's tuning memory.  Sometimes I want to run autotune so I can see what solution the KAT500 derives but I don't want it to override my current tuning solution until I have inspected and checked it.

Is there any serial command that will perform an autotune but not save the tuning solution?  I would like to have the option to manually issue the SM; command when FT; completes.

Thanks and 73,
Andy, k3wyc



From fhmassey at gmail.com  Fri Oct  4 19:34:14 2019
From: fhmassey at gmail.com (Fred Massey)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 18:34:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] preamp for using an SDR as a pan adapter
In-Reply-To: <52524afe-e3bc-ccaf-fa64-cfe02e719a38@blomand.net>
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A friend of mine, Tim AB4B, suggested that I might need a buffer amp to
keep the IF being pulled down by the sdr. DXEngineering sells the Clifton
Z10000.  That adds about 6db of gain, but maybe the buffering that it does
has an even bigger effect.

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 2:18 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:

> In a word, YES.   I find that to be true with my K3S as well as other
> brands/models of radios.   Thus you'll need about 20 dB of gain in the
> form of a preamp between the IF output and the QSR receiver.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 10/4/2019 12:57 PM, Fred Massey wrote:
> > Some.  I was planning on sending an email to Elecraft support with the
> s/n
> > of my K3s to see if I needed the mod.  The difference I?m seeing in
> signal
> > strength is about 20+ dB.  Is it normal for the if-out to be weaker than
> a
> > direct connection to the antenna?
> > 73,
> > Fred
> > AE4ED
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 12:44 PM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Fred,
> >>
> >> Have you looked the K3 IF Output mod?
> >>
> >>
> https://ftp.elecraft.com/K3/Mod%20Notes%20Alerts/IF_Output_Buffer_Gain_Mod_Rev_A.pdf
> >>
> >> If you don't have the 13k SMD resistor or a 1/8 watt 13k resistor, you
> >> can order the kit from Elecraft.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Don W3FPR
> >>
> >> On 10/4/2019 1:24 PM, Fred Massey wrote:
> >>> Good afternoon Wes and all,
> >>>
> >>> If I connect the antenna directly to the QSR-1, I get the same signal
> >> level
> >>> as the K3s.  But, when I connect to the QSR-1 to the IF-out, the signal
> >> is
> >>> about 4 s-units less.
> >>>
> >>> Any ideas...anyone?
> >>>
> >>> Fred
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 4:14 PM Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I use an SDR-IQ on the i-f output on my (very) early K3S.  it works
> >> fine.
> >>>> IIRC,
> >>>> always a dubious proposition, I did the mod on my original K3 and it
> >>>> worked well
> >>>> too without any additional amplification.  I think you have another
> >>>> problem.
> >>>>
> >>>> Wes  N7WS
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/3/2019 2:01 PM, Fred Massey wrote:
> >>>>> Good afternoon,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have successfully connected my QSR-1 to my K3s if-out, and
> >> immediately
> >>>>> noticed the signal strengths showing on the QSR-1 were much weaker.
> I
> >>>>> probably have an early K3s, so the if-out signal strength is even
> >> weaker.
> >>>>> Any recommendations at a good preamp to use?  It seems like 20db is
> >> what
> >>>> I
> >>>>> need:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 73,
> >>>>> Fred
> >>>>> AE4ED
> >>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Oct  4 19:58:57 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 18:58:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] preamp for using an SDR as a pan adapter
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I read that folks have successfully used the Clifton buffer amp.?? 
Certainly worth a try.?? Others have indicated only about 6 dB of gain 
is needed.

The software I use for my RSP-1 allows RF Gain changes.? Thus with the 
lower IF output of my K3S, I just raise the gain of the RSP-1 via the 
software.? I've never considered the SDR receivers of that type to be 
very precise with regard to "calibration". Although some seem to think 
they can split hairs on a mosquito with the level and frequency accuracy 
of the receivers.??? I do not consider them of instrumentation quality, 
thus anything +/-10 dB is deemed satisfactory.? Likewise the same with 
frequency accuracy.? Others may have different experiences with 
different receivers.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 10/4/2019 6:34 PM, Fred Massey wrote:
> A friend of mine, Tim AB4B, suggested that I might need a buffer amp 
> to keep the IF being pulled down by the sdr. DXEngineering sells the 
> Clifton Z10000.? That adds about 6db of gain, but maybe the buffering 
> that it does has an even bigger effect.
>
> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 2:18 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net 
> <mailto:rmcgraw at blomand.net>> wrote:
>
>     In a word, YES.?? I find that to be true with my K3S as well as other
>     brands/models of radios.?? Thus you'll need about 20 dB of gain in
>     the
>     form of a preamp between the IF output and the QSR receiver.
>
>     73
>
>     Bob, K4TAX
>
>
>     On 10/4/2019 12:57 PM, Fred Massey wrote:
>     > Some.? I was planning on sending an email to Elecraft support
>     with the s/n
>     > of my K3s to see if I needed the mod.? The difference I?m seeing
>     in signal
>     > strength is about 20+ dB.? Is it normal for the if-out to be
>     weaker than a
>     > direct connection to the antenna?
>     > 73,
>     > Fred
>     > AE4ED
>     >
>     > On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 12:44 PM Don Wilhelm
>     <donwilh at embarqmail.com <mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com>> wrote:
>     >
>     >> Fred,
>     >>
>     >> Have you looked the K3 IF Output mod?
>     >>
>     >>
>     https://ftp.elecraft.com/K3/Mod%20Notes%20Alerts/IF_Output_Buffer_Gain_Mod_Rev_A.pdf
>     >>
>     >> If you don't have the 13k SMD resistor or a 1/8 watt 13k
>     resistor, you
>     >> can order the kit from Elecraft.
>     >>
>     >> 73,
>     >> Don W3FPR
>     >>
>     >> On 10/4/2019 1:24 PM, Fred Massey wrote:
>     >>> Good afternoon Wes and all,
>     >>>
>     >>> If I connect the antenna directly to the QSR-1, I get the same
>     signal
>     >> level
>     >>> as the K3s.? But, when I connect to the QSR-1 to the IF-out,
>     the signal
>     >> is
>     >>> about 4 s-units less.
>     >>>
>     >>> Any ideas...anyone?
>     >>>
>     >>> Fred
>     >>>
>     >>> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 4:14 PM Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org
>     <mailto:wes_n7ws at triconet.org>> wrote:
>     >>>
>     >>>> I use an SDR-IQ on the i-f output on my (very) early K3S.? it
>     works
>     >> fine.
>     >>>> IIRC,
>     >>>> always a dubious proposition, I did the mod on my original K3
>     and it
>     >>>> worked well
>     >>>> too without any additional amplification. I think you have
>     another
>     >>>> problem.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Wes? N7WS
>     >>>>
>     >>>> On 10/3/2019 2:01 PM, Fred Massey wrote:
>     >>>>> Good afternoon,
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> I have successfully connected my QSR-1 to my K3s if-out, and
>     >> immediately
>     >>>>> noticed the signal strengths showing on the QSR-1 were much
>     weaker.? I
>     >>>>> probably have an early K3s, so the if-out signal strength is
>     even
>     >> weaker.
>     >>>>> Any recommendations at a good preamp to use?? It seems like
>     20db is
>     >> what
>     >>>> I
>     >>>>> need:
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> 73,
>     >>>>> Fred
>     >>>>> AE4ED
>     >>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From fhmassey at gmail.com  Fri Oct  4 20:59:33 2019
From: fhmassey at gmail.com (Fred Massey)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 19:59:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] preamp for using an SDR as a pan adapter
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I knew I had an issue when I could hear signals on the K3s that weren?t
showing on the waterfall.

I need to engage Elecraft tech support to see if I need the mod for my K3s,
and see what they say about using an external buffer amp or preamp.

When I posted, I thought this might be a common problem that others had
fixed before.


On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 6:59 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:

> I read that folks have successfully used the Clifton buffer amp.
> Certainly worth a try.   Others have indicated only about 6 dB of gain is
> needed.
>
> The software I use for my RSP-1 allows RF Gain changes.  Thus with the
> lower IF output of my K3S, I just raise the gain of the RSP-1 via the
> software.  I've never considered the SDR receivers of that type to be very
> precise with regard to "calibration".    Although some seem to think they
> can split hairs on a mosquito with the level and frequency accuracy of the
> receivers.    I do not consider them of instrumentation quality, thus
> anything +/-10 dB is deemed satisfactory.  Likewise the same with frequency
> accuracy.  Others may have different experiences with different receivers.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 10/4/2019 6:34 PM, Fred Massey wrote:
>
> A friend of mine, Tim AB4B, suggested that I might need a buffer amp to
> keep the IF being pulled down by the sdr. DXEngineering sells the Clifton
> Z10000.  That adds about 6db of gain, but maybe the buffering that it does
> has an even bigger effect.
>
> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 2:18 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> wrote:
>
>> In a word, YES.   I find that to be true with my K3S as well as other
>> brands/models of radios.   Thus you'll need about 20 dB of gain in the
>> form of a preamp between the IF output and the QSR receiver.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Bob, K4TAX
>>
>>
>> On 10/4/2019 12:57 PM, Fred Massey wrote:
>> > Some.  I was planning on sending an email to Elecraft support with the
>> s/n
>> > of my K3s to see if I needed the mod.  The difference I?m seeing in
>> signal
>> > strength is about 20+ dB.  Is it normal for the if-out to be weaker
>> than a
>> > direct connection to the antenna?
>> > 73,
>> > Fred
>> > AE4ED
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 12:44 PM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Fred,
>> >>
>> >> Have you looked the K3 IF Output mod?
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://ftp.elecraft.com/K3/Mod%20Notes%20Alerts/IF_Output_Buffer_Gain_Mod_Rev_A.pdf
>> >>
>> >> If you don't have the 13k SMD resistor or a 1/8 watt 13k resistor, you
>> >> can order the kit from Elecraft.
>> >>
>> >> 73,
>> >> Don W3FPR
>> >>
>> >> On 10/4/2019 1:24 PM, Fred Massey wrote:
>> >>> Good afternoon Wes and all,
>> >>>
>> >>> If I connect the antenna directly to the QSR-1, I get the same signal
>> >> level
>> >>> as the K3s.  But, when I connect to the QSR-1 to the IF-out, the
>> signal
>> >> is
>> >>> about 4 s-units less.
>> >>>
>> >>> Any ideas...anyone?
>> >>>
>> >>> Fred
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 4:14 PM Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I use an SDR-IQ on the i-f output on my (very) early K3S.  it works
>> >> fine.
>> >>>> IIRC,
>> >>>> always a dubious proposition, I did the mod on my original K3 and it
>> >>>> worked well
>> >>>> too without any additional amplification.  I think you have another
>> >>>> problem.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Wes  N7WS
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 10/3/2019 2:01 PM, Fred Massey wrote:
>> >>>>> Good afternoon,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I have successfully connected my QSR-1 to my K3s if-out, and
>> >> immediately
>> >>>>> noticed the signal strengths showing on the QSR-1 were much
>> weaker.  I
>> >>>>> probably have an early K3s, so the if-out signal strength is even
>> >> weaker.
>> >>>>> Any recommendations at a good preamp to use?  It seems like 20db is
>> >> what
>> >>>> I
>> >>>>> need:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 73,
>> >>>>> Fred
>> >>>>> AE4ED
>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________
>> >>>> Elecraft mailing list
>> >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>
>

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Oct  4 21:27:43 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 21:27:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] preamp for using an SDR as a pan adapter
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Fred,

Is that "K3S" or multiple "K3"s?
All The K3S have the mod, as well as later K3s.  If an early K3, then 
you may need the mod.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/4/2019 8:59 PM, Fred Massey wrote:
> I knew I had an issue when I could hear signals on the K3s that weren?t
> showing on the waterfall.
> 
> I need to engage Elecraft tech support to see if I need the mod for my K3s,
> and see what they say about using an external buffer amp or preamp.
> 
> When I posted, I thought this might be a common problem that others had
> fixed before.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 6:59 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> 
>> I read that folks have successfully used the Clifton buffer amp.
>> Certainly worth a try.   Others have indicated only about 6 dB of gain is
>> needed.
>>
>> The software I use for my RSP-1 allows RF Gain changes.  Thus with the
>> lower IF output of my K3S, I just raise the gain of the RSP-1 via the
>> software.  I've never considered the SDR receivers of that type to be very
>> precise with regard to "calibration".    Although some seem to think they
>> can split hairs on a mosquito with the level and frequency accuracy of the
>> receivers.    I do not consider them of instrumentation quality, thus
>> anything +/-10 dB is deemed satisfactory.  Likewise the same with frequency
>> accuracy.  Others may have different experiences with different receivers.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Bob, K4TAX
>>
>>
>> On 10/4/2019 6:34 PM, Fred Massey wrote:
>>
>> A friend of mine, Tim AB4B, suggested that I might need a buffer amp to
>> keep the IF being pulled down by the sdr. DXEngineering sells the Clifton
>> Z10000.  That adds about 6db of gain, but maybe the buffering that it does
>> has an even bigger effect.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 2:18 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In a word, YES.   I find that to be true with my K3S as well as other
>>> brands/models of radios.   Thus you'll need about 20 dB of gain in the
>>> form of a preamp between the IF output and the QSR receiver.
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Bob, K4TAX
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/4/2019 12:57 PM, Fred Massey wrote:
>>>> Some.  I was planning on sending an email to Elecraft support with the
>>> s/n
>>>> of my K3s to see if I needed the mod.  The difference I?m seeing in
>>> signal
>>>> strength is about 20+ dB.  Is it normal for the if-out to be weaker
>>> than a
>>>> direct connection to the antenna?
>>>> 73,
>>>> Fred
>>>> AE4ED
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 12:44 PM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Fred,
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you looked the K3 IF Output mod?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> https://ftp.elecraft.com/K3/Mod%20Notes%20Alerts/IF_Output_Buffer_Gain_Mod_Rev_A.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't have the 13k SMD resistor or a 1/8 watt 13k resistor, you
>>>>> can order the kit from Elecraft.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/4/2019 1:24 PM, Fred Massey wrote:
>>>>>> Good afternoon Wes and all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I connect the antenna directly to the QSR-1, I get the same signal
>>>>> level
>>>>>> as the K3s.  But, when I connect to the QSR-1 to the IF-out, the
>>> signal
>>>>> is
>>>>>> about 4 s-units less.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any ideas...anyone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fred
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 4:14 PM Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I use an SDR-IQ on the i-f output on my (very) early K3S.  it works
>>>>> fine.
>>>>>>> IIRC,
>>>>>>> always a dubious proposition, I did the mod on my original K3 and it
>>>>>>> worked well
>>>>>>> too without any additional amplification.  I think you have another
>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wes  N7WS
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/3/2019 2:01 PM, Fred Massey wrote:
>>>>>>>> Good afternoon,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have successfully connected my QSR-1 to my K3s if-out, and
>>>>> immediately
>>>>>>>> noticed the signal strengths showing on the QSR-1 were much
>>> weaker.  I
>>>>>>>> probably have an early K3s, so the if-out signal strength is even
>>>>> weaker.
>>>>>>>> Any recommendations at a good preamp to use?  It seems like 20db is
>>>>> what
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> need:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>>> Fred
>>>>>>>> AE4ED
>>>>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>>>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>>>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>>>>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>>>>>> Message delivered to fhmassey at gmail.com
>>>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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>>>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com
>>>>>>
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>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>
>>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From fhmassey at gmail.com  Fri Oct  4 21:31:01 2019
From: fhmassey at gmail.com (Fred Massey)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 20:31:01 -0500
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It a K3S.  I?m about to order Clifton Labs Z10000C kit from DX
Engineering.  Any better ideas are welcome:

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 8:27 PM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Fred,
>
> Is that "K3S" or multiple "K3"s?
> All The K3S have the mod, as well as later K3s.  If an early K3, then
> you may need the mod.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 10/4/2019 8:59 PM, Fred Massey wrote:
> > I knew I had an issue when I could hear signals on the K3s that weren?t
> > showing on the waterfall.
> >
> > I need to engage Elecraft tech support to see if I need the mod for my
> K3s,
> > and see what they say about using an external buffer amp or preamp.
> >
> > When I posted, I thought this might be a common problem that others had
> > fixed before.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 6:59 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I read that folks have successfully used the Clifton buffer amp.
> >> Certainly worth a try.   Others have indicated only about 6 dB of gain
> is
> >> needed.
> >>
> >> The software I use for my RSP-1 allows RF Gain changes.  Thus with the
> >> lower IF output of my K3S, I just raise the gain of the RSP-1 via the
> >> software.  I've never considered the SDR receivers of that type to be
> very
> >> precise with regard to "calibration".    Although some seem to think
> they
> >> can split hairs on a mosquito with the level and frequency accuracy of
> the
> >> receivers.    I do not consider them of instrumentation quality, thus
> >> anything +/-10 dB is deemed satisfactory.  Likewise the same with
> frequency
> >> accuracy.  Others may have different experiences with different
> receivers.
> >>
> >> 73
> >>
> >> Bob, K4TAX
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/4/2019 6:34 PM, Fred Massey wrote:
> >>
> >> A friend of mine, Tim AB4B, suggested that I might need a buffer amp to
> >> keep the IF being pulled down by the sdr. DXEngineering sells the
> Clifton
> >> Z10000.  That adds about 6db of gain, but maybe the buffering that it
> does
> >> has an even bigger effect.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 2:18 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In a word, YES.   I find that to be true with my K3S as well as other
> >>> brands/models of radios.   Thus you'll need about 20 dB of gain in the
> >>> form of a preamp between the IF output and the QSR receiver.
> >>>
> >>> 73
> >>>
> >>> Bob, K4TAX
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 10/4/2019 12:57 PM, Fred Massey wrote:
> >>>> Some.  I was planning on sending an email to Elecraft support with the
> >>> s/n
> >>>> of my K3s to see if I needed the mod.  The difference I?m seeing in
> >>> signal
> >>>> strength is about 20+ dB.  Is it normal for the if-out to be weaker
> >>> than a
> >>>> direct connection to the antenna?
> >>>> 73,
> >>>> Fred
> >>>> AE4ED
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 12:44 PM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Fred,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Have you looked the K3 IF Output mod?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> https://ftp.elecraft.com/K3/Mod%20Notes%20Alerts/IF_Output_Buffer_Gain_Mod_Rev_A.pdf
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you don't have the 13k SMD resistor or a 1/8 watt 13k resistor,
> you
> >>>>> can order the kit from Elecraft.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 73,
> >>>>> Don W3FPR
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 10/4/2019 1:24 PM, Fred Massey wrote:
> >>>>>> Good afternoon Wes and all,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If I connect the antenna directly to the QSR-1, I get the same
> signal
> >>>>> level
> >>>>>> as the K3s.  But, when I connect to the QSR-1 to the IF-out, the
> >>> signal
> >>>>> is
> >>>>>> about 4 s-units less.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Any ideas...anyone?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Fred
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 4:14 PM Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I use an SDR-IQ on the i-f output on my (very) early K3S.  it works
> >>>>> fine.
> >>>>>>> IIRC,
> >>>>>>> always a dubious proposition, I did the mod on my original K3 and
> it
> >>>>>>> worked well
> >>>>>>> too without any additional amplification.  I think you have another
> >>>>>>> problem.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Wes  N7WS
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 10/3/2019 2:01 PM, Fred Massey wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Good afternoon,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I have successfully connected my QSR-1 to my K3s if-out, and
> >>>>> immediately
> >>>>>>>> noticed the signal strengths showing on the QSR-1 were much
> >>> weaker.  I
> >>>>>>>> probably have an early K3s, so the if-out signal strength is even
> >>>>> weaker.
> >>>>>>>> Any recommendations at a good preamp to use?  It seems like 20db
> is
> >>>>> what
> >>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>> need:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 73,
> >>>>>>>> Fred
> >>>>>>>> AE4ED
> >>>>>>> ______________________________________________________________
> >>>>>>> Elecraft mailing list
> >>>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> >>>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>> Please help support this email list:
> http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> >>>>>>> Message delivered to fhmassey at gmail.com
> >>>>>> ______________________________________________________________
> >>>>>> Elecraft mailing list
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> >>
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sat Oct  5 01:10:14 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 22:10:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] preamp for using an SDR as a pan adapter
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	<CAMY8Yn9f8L_yBeHXnRYrZM1Em3s=DSzteZhPp7fgCmT7TQ5YGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<a47af456-1909-4107-4761-dd2d2a01cd5b@embarqmail.com> <CAM
	Y8Yn_CEE48OrN7t8ppnLvH7jkdR5OGhuvFOep6nSJLeN-ufA@mail.gmail.com>
	<52524afe-e3bc-ccaf-fa64-cfe02e719a38@blomand.net>
	<CAMY8Yn8mXWbF2N60AP-wbc9JHPQUiE2=Jr8MisK=UQM=C_ru3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4545c2de-6337-af3c-2e99-39dae9741e57@triconet.org>

I doubt that the signal is being "pulled down."? The source is an FET follower 
which should have a low source impedance.

Wes? N7WS

On 10/4/2019 4:34 PM, Fred Massey wrote:
> A friend of mine, Tim AB4B, suggested that I might need a buffer amp to
> keep the IF being pulled down by the sdr. DXEngineering sells the Clifton
> Z10000.  That adds about 6db of gain, but maybe the buffering that it does
> has an even bigger effect.
>


From dougzzz at gmail.com  Sat Oct  5 05:39:06 2019
From: dougzzz at gmail.com (Douglas Zwiebel)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2019 05:39:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fix Printer Windows 10...FYI
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3414.1570237194.13236.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.3414.1570237194.13236.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <CA+u=Ds2BnS1cBoukA+UJYprHfzbxU0L2B1MoQA+zu3SeeSbeHQ@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2019/10/03/microsoft-windows-10-warning-printer-updates-upgrade-windows-10/

Enjoy

de Doug KR2Q

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Oct  5 08:45:59 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2019 08:45:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] preamp for using an SDR as a pan adapter
In-Reply-To: <4545c2de-6337-af3c-2e99-39dae9741e57@triconet.org>
References: <CAMY8Yn_-dtVX5aYs0yLQPjrmMyjxaW1tW6GJ1PjBJs4MaHMQww@mail.gmail.com>
	<bdea4eba-a843-0c31-285b-5d3af86ca24c@triconet.or g>
	<CAMY8Yn9f8L_yBeHXnRYrZM1Em3s=DSzteZhPp7fgCmT7TQ5YGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<a47af456-1909-4107-4761-dd2d2a01cd5b@embarqmail.com> <CAM
	Y8Yn_CEE48OrN7t8ppnLvH7jkdR5OGhuvFOep6nSJLeN-ufA@mail.gmail.com>
	<52524afe-e3bc-ccaf-fa64-cfe02e719a38@blomand.net>
	<CAMY8Yn8mXWbF2N60AP-wbc9JHPQUiE2=Jr8MisK=UQM=C_ru3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<4545c2de-6337-af3c-2e99-39dae9741e57@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <31b5542f-e8f7-5780-fbda-b516becfc35f@embarqmail.com>

I suspect he has a problem with that K3S and should contact support to 
see what checks he can make that will be more informative than "It 
doesn't work right"

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/5/2019 1:10 AM, Wes wrote:
> I doubt that the signal is being "pulled down."? The source is an FET 
> follower which should have a low source impedance.

From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com  Sat Oct  5 16:11:49 2019
From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2019 17:11:49 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] how to jump kc to kc
Message-ID: <CA+h_a7+Lzh4TDp6z_k5pssVRLnrzVZN0oNgbwp54-kW0=7PO0A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello

I want to rotate VFO with no decimals, foe example from 14001, 14002,
14003, 14004, 14005, ............14030

Is there anyway to jump kc to kc?

-- 
73,
Jorge
CX6VM/CW5W

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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sat Oct  5 17:09:50 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2019 14:09:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] how to jump kc to kc
In-Reply-To: <CA+h_a7+Lzh4TDp6z_k5pssVRLnrzVZN0oNgbwp54-kW0=7PO0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+h_a7+Lzh4TDp6z_k5pssVRLnrzVZN0oNgbwp54-kW0=7PO0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <243683be-1b3f-2f3b-3b8b-00ce5d750f0c@triconet.org>

Maybe.? Look as CFG CRS? and? VFO OFS in the manual.

Wes? N7WS

On 10/5/2019 1:11 PM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote:
> Hello
>
> I want to rotate VFO with no decimals, foe example from 14001, 14002,
> 14003, 14004, 14005, ............14030
>
> Is there anyway to jump kc to kc?
>


From dgdimick at gmail.com  Sat Oct  5 17:31:32 2019
From: dgdimick at gmail.com (Denis Dimick)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2019 15:31:32 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Stand 3d Printer
Message-ID: <CAHXZNSJiv6kbTQ+dNApvfudVjZVjUYPSzTO0ZfH1gT=4wXYq5w@mail.gmail.com>

Since Elecraft hasn't had stock on the K1 stand for ages, N3XKB and myself,
designed one that can be 3d Printed. I posted it on Thingiverse for anyone
that would like to print one out.
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3843950

73's
Denis
KC6AUP


--------------------------------------
There is no future until we settle our past...

From eric.csuf at gmail.com  Sat Oct  5 18:29:20 2019
From: eric.csuf at gmail.com (EricJ)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2019 15:29:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Stand 3d Printer
In-Reply-To: <CAHXZNSJiv6kbTQ+dNApvfudVjZVjUYPSzTO0ZfH1gT=4wXYq5w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHXZNSJiv6kbTQ+dNApvfudVjZVjUYPSzTO0ZfH1gT=4wXYq5w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d0bf544d-87c3-32ed-a51f-61532dd70b2f@gmail.com>

Very nice. I went a less imaginative direction. A replica of the 
original K1 stand.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/1WMjCbeJmLmmJRKf8
https://photos.app.goo.gl/y7FnAUmqgtPQy5ft6

Didn't think it was appropriate to post on Thingiverse as it's a copy of 
a proprietary design. I did it as a learning exercise the first week or 
so I had the printer. I already have an original one (hi).

Eric KE6US

On 10/5/2019 2:31 PM, Denis Dimick wrote:
> Since Elecraft hasn't had stock on the K1 stand for ages, N3XKB and myself,
> designed one that can be 3d Printed. I posted it on Thingiverse for anyone
> that would like to print one out.
> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3843950
>
> 73's
> Denis
> KC6AUP
>
>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Oct  5 18:57:12 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2019 18:57:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] how to jump kc to kc
In-Reply-To: <CA+h_a7+Lzh4TDp6z_k5pssVRLnrzVZN0oNgbwp54-kW0=7PO0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+h_a7+Lzh4TDp6z_k5pssVRLnrzVZN0oNgbwp54-kW0=7PO0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <38d2aa19-f44a-e307-15d3-4f7a7e4b80b0@embarqmail.com>

Jorge,

Yes, look at VFO CRS menu (note that it is per mode).  Also look at the 
VFO OFS menu setting to allow you to use the RIT/XIT knob (as long as 
RIT and XIT are not on) to step the VFO in the Coarse steps while 
allowing the normal VFO knob to move in smaller steps (fine).

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/5/2019 4:11 PM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote:
> Hello
> 
> I want to rotate VFO with no decimals, foe example from 14001, 14002,
> 14003, 14004, 14005, ............14030
> 
> Is there anyway to jump kc to kc?
> 

From KY5G at montac.com  Sat Oct  5 21:22:09 2019
From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2019 20:22:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] how to jump kc to kc
In-Reply-To: <CA+h_a7+Lzh4TDp6z_k5pssVRLnrzVZN0oNgbwp54-kW0=7PO0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+h_a7+Lzh4TDp6z_k5pssVRLnrzVZN0oNgbwp54-kW0=7PO0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bd4990e3-ad2e-8af9-aadf-873736231f9e@montac.com>

1)? Press and Hold MENU to enter "Config" Menu.
2) Rotate VFO B until see VFO CRS in VFO B display.
3) Rotate VFO A to read 1.0 in VFO A Display
4) Tap MENU to exit Config.

Enjoy....

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
(318) 518-1389

On 05-Oct-19 15:11, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote:
> Hello
>
> I want to rotate VFO with no decimals, foe example from 14001, 14002,
> 14003, 14004, 14005, ............14030
>
> Is there anyway to jump kc to kc?
>
> -- 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W

From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Oct  6 00:14:10 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2019 21:14:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <7d461eeb-8281-b48e-f222-5f5b7653878c@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? The cool weather has brought the mushrooms to life.? I hiked to the 
SE corner of my land and found many species ripening.? One area was 
carpeted with chanterelle mushrooms.? They were easy to spot now that 
the ferns are down; a bright gold against the brown background.? I need 
to find some recipes.

 ? There was a sunspot this week.? A small one from the previous cycle.? 
It went away.? Solar flux has not been above 70 in months.? There are 
more cosmic rays but they only irradiate small areas, it would be kind 
of like meteor scatter with lower probability of success.? But if you're 
persistent...


Please join us on (or near):

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 ? 7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

 ?? 73,
 ????? Kevin. KD5ONS


_







// Enumerating the exothermic processes of the firewood cycle

// K. J. Rock
// (c) Bacona Design
// September 30, 2019

begin:

falling();
bucking();
splitting();

while (!burning)
 ??? {
 ??? moveWood(i);
 ??? }

heat from wood stove and stove pipe();

end;

int moveWood(int type)
 ??? {
 ??? switch(type)
 ??? ??? {
 ??? ??? case 0:
 ??? ??? ??? stack woodpile in forest;
 ??? ??? ??? break;
 ??? ??? case 1:
 ??? ??? ??? move to where I can get it into the truck;
 ??? ??? ??? // (may be a recursive procedure)
 ??? ??? ??? break;
 ??? ??? case 2:
 ??? ??? ??? moveTruck();
 ??? ??? ??? toss it into truck;
 ??? ??? ??? break;
 ??? ??? case 3:
 ??? ??? ??? moveTruck();
 ??? ??? ??? take it out of truck;
 ??? ??? ??? break;
 ??? ??? case 4:
 ??? ??? ??? splitting();
 ??? ??? ??? stack it on woodpile near house;
 ??? ??? ??? break;
 ??? ??? case 5:
 ??? ??? ??? splitting();
 ??? ??? ??? move it to landing outside of house;
 ??? ??? ??? break;
 ??? ??? case 6:
 ??? ??? ??? move it to woodpile next to wood stove;
 ??? ??? ??? break;
 ??? ??? case 10:
 ??? ??? ??? put wood into wood stove;
 ??? ??? ??? break;
 ??? ??? default:
 ??? ??? ??? throw wood uphill in forest while bored;
 ??? ??? ??? break;
 ??? ??? }
 ??? return errorCode;
 ??? }


From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com  Sun Oct  6 08:41:17 2019
From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 09:41:17 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] how to jump kc to kc
In-Reply-To: <bd4990e3-ad2e-8af9-aadf-873736231f9e@montac.com>
References: <CA+h_a7+Lzh4TDp6z_k5pssVRLnrzVZN0oNgbwp54-kW0=7PO0A@mail.gmail.com>
	<bd4990e3-ad2e-8af9-aadf-873736231f9e@montac.com>
Message-ID: <CA+h_a7Jsvmkc+-rmx+mVMSLto2FT6mjMep6aAOxrjdxmgJkWbw@mail.gmail.com>

thanks all for the help!

73,
Jorge
CX6VM/CW5W

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El s?b., 5 oct. 2019 a las 22:22, Clay Autery (<KY5G at montac.com>) escribi?:

> 1)  Press and Hold MENU to enter "Config" Menu.
> 2) Rotate VFO B until see VFO CRS in VFO B display.
> 3) Rotate VFO A to read 1.0 in VFO A Display
> 4) Tap MENU to exit Config.
>
> Enjoy....
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> (318) 518-1389
>
> On 05-Oct-19 15:11, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote:
> > Hello
> >
> > I want to rotate VFO with no decimals, foe example from 14001, 14002,
> > 14003, 14004, 14005, ............14030
> >
> > Is there anyway to jump kc to kc?
> >
> > -- 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W
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From w2kj at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct  6 10:35:48 2019
From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joseph Trombino, Jr)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 10:35:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 and VHF/UFH add-ons
Message-ID: <723AD194-B32E-4DE9-8085-A8FE0D3AD032@bellsouth.net>

Howdy Fellow Elecrafters.

I have 3 questions for the group:

1.  Any rumors/inside info on the K4 delivery date(s)?

2.  Will the planned VHF/UHF add-ons allow fo full duplex Satellite operation?

3.  What will be the power output for these add-ons?

Hope everyone has a wonderful Sunday and cu on the bands with my KX2 or KX3.

			73, Joe W2KJ
			I QRP, therefore I am

From 4z5cp at bezeqint.net  Sun Oct  6 12:21:37 2019
From: 4z5cp at bezeqint.net (Dimitry Borzenko)
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2019 16:21:37 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 and VHF/UFH add-ons
In-Reply-To: <723AD194-B32E-4DE9-8085-A8FE0D3AD032@bellsouth.net>
References: <723AD194-B32E-4DE9-8085-A8FE0D3AD032@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <em9cf7a0dc-75e0-48a5-99a6-d82872b2c324@dibor>


Hello

And additional question, can be used UHF add-on as  IF for  external 
transverters with proper freq. indication (5.6, 10, 24G) ?

Thank you.


------ Original Message ------
From: "Joseph Trombino, Jr" <w2kj at bellsouth.net>
To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: 06.10.2019 17:35:48
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 and VHF/UFH add-ons

>Howdy Fellow Elecrafters.
>
>I have 3 questions for the group:
>
>1.  Any rumors/inside info on the K4 delivery date(s)?
>
>2.  Will the planned VHF/UHF add-ons allow fo full duplex Satellite operation?
>
>3.  What will be the power output for these add-ons?
>
>Hope everyone has a wonderful Sunday and cu on the bands with my KX2 or KX3.
>
>			73, Joe W2KJ
>			I QRP, therefore I am
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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Sun Oct  6 15:30:17 2019
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Sun,  6 Oct 2019 12:30:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 and VHF/UFH add-ons
In-Reply-To: <723AD194-B32E-4DE9-8085-A8FE0D3AD032@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-5596F9376A6E41618899E8EF2587602A@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

Judging from the lack of activity on this list by the people 
working at Elecraft, I'd guess they're working their tail off to 
get it out the door.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 10/6/19 at 7:35 AM, w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joseph Trombino, Jr) wrote:

>1.  Any rumors/inside info on the K4 delivery date(s)?

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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sun Oct  6 15:57:03 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 15:57:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 and VHF/UFH add-ons
In-Reply-To: <r480Ps-10146i-5596F9376A6E41618899E8EF2587602A@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-5596F9376A6E41618899E8EF2587602A@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <4950E3DB-CA0A-49A8-9B56-1EB0355E88DE@gmail.com>

They?ve made some comments on the VHF/UHF capability previously.  I think Elecraft indicated they were thinking around 15W for the VHF/UHF module.  And as I recall full-duplex/satellite was not in the initial plans.  I?m going to guess this isn?t the current hi priority item on the list.  Availability maybe mid-year.  A search in Nabble or a quick review through mailman archives should find those posts.  No guarantee my memory is any good of course.

The ?official? target dates remain Nov/Dec availability for the K4 according to the website.  There were comments during a video interview at a UK hamfest that it might be after the 1st of the year.  But there wasn?t much context to those comments ? so not clear if that was regarding ?general availability?, or if 1st deliveries to the various deposit/pre-order lists might be sooner. or ?.

It will show up when it shows up.  It would certainly be worth the price of admission to be a fly on the wall to see what?s going on in Elecraft test and development ..  :-)

Grant NQ5T
KX3 (8342)/KXPA100


> On Oct 6, 2019, at 3:30 PM, Bill Frantz <frantz at pwpconsult.com> wrote:
> 
> Judging from the lack of activity on this list by the people working at Elecraft, I'd guess they're working their tail off to get it out the door.
> 
> 73 Bill AE6JV
> 
> On 10/6/19 at 7:35 AM, w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joseph Trombino, Jr) wrote:
> 
>> 1.  Any rumors/inside info on the K4 delivery date(s)?
> 


From tom.campie at gmail.com  Sun Oct  6 16:39:10 2019
From: tom.campie at gmail.com (TJ Campie)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 15:39:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Vox per mode - data/voice K3
Message-ID: <C0108467-7FAD-44B5-B41A-A2816E5BE9C9@getmailspring.com>

Several posts on the reflector over the last few yeas regarding the ability to set VOX per-mode across Data and SSB voice. Is this still on the wish list and if so, what's keeping it from being implemented? There's a post from Wayne in 2009 saying it was on the list!

Please make this a reality!
TJ w0ea

From dave at nk7z.net  Sun Oct  6 16:54:29 2019
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 13:54:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Question, regarding optical sensors used in K3
Message-ID: <af13be56-5faf-38de-4a90-c34b7f47f259@nk7z.net>

Hi,

I had an occurrence where one of my smaller knobs, (Filter Width), 
became erratic in its control of the actual filter width...  Skipping, 
and not having any effect at all...

I fussed with it a bit, and now it is working...  Is this a sign of 
imminent failure or is it just a bot of dirt?  Any way to tell?

-- 
73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

From dalehammer at indy.rr.com  Sun Oct  6 16:55:26 2019
From: dalehammer at indy.rr.com (Dale)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 16:55:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 and VHF/UFH add-ons
In-Reply-To: <4950E3DB-CA0A-49A8-9B56-1EB0355E88DE@gmail.com>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-5596F9376A6E41618899E8EF2587602A@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<4950E3DB-CA0A-49A8-9B56-1EB0355E88DE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ACEDCA20-85CC-46AF-A58A-F4205A4712A8@indy.rr.com>

Check out the Youtube video posted 3 days ago reviewing the K4 at the UK distributor.  Eric covered that topic.  Search using ?Elecraft K4 in Depth?
73,
Dale K9NN

> On Oct 6, 2019, at 3:57 PM, Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> They?ve made some comments on the VHF/UHF capability previously.  I think Elecraft indicated they were thinking around 15W for the VHF/UHF module.  And as I recall full-duplex/satellite was not in the initial plans.  I?m going to guess this isn?t the current hi priority item on the list.  Availability maybe mid-year.  A search in Nabble or a quick review through mailman archives should find those posts.  No guarantee my memory is any good of course.
> 
> The ?official? target dates remain Nov/Dec availability for the K4 according to the website.  There were comments during a video interview at a UK hamfest that it might be after the 1st of the year.  But there wasn?t much context to those comments ? so not clear if that was regarding ?general availability?, or if 1st deliveries to the various deposit/pre-order lists might be sooner. or ?.
> 
> It will show up when it shows up.  It would certainly be worth the price of admission to be a fly on the wall to see what?s going on in Elecraft test and development ..  :-)
> 
> Grant NQ5T
> KX3 (8342)/KXPA100
> 
> 
>> On Oct 6, 2019, at 3:30 PM, Bill Frantz <frantz at pwpconsult.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Judging from the lack of activity on this list by the people working at Elecraft, I'd guess they're working their tail off to get it out the door.
>> 
>> 73 Bill AE6JV
>> 
>> On 10/6/19 at 7:35 AM, w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joseph Trombino, Jr) wrote:
>> 
>>> 1.  Any rumors/inside info on the K4 delivery date(s)?
>> 
> 
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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sun Oct  6 17:42:01 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 17:42:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 and VHF/UFH add-ons
In-Reply-To: <ACEDCA20-85CC-46AF-A58A-F4205A4712A8@indy.rr.com>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-5596F9376A6E41618899E8EF2587602A@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<4950E3DB-CA0A-49A8-9B56-1EB0355E88DE@gmail.com>
	<ACEDCA20-85CC-46AF-A58A-F4205A4712A8@indy.rr.com>
Message-ID: <6F13E9D3-712C-4813-9B3F-9DF76B41D797@gmail.com>

That was worth the 40 minutes ? 

Didn?t answer every question ever asked,  but great info, and much more thorough than the fester interviews ? (Thanks, Eric!)

Grant NQ5T
KX3 (8342)/KXPA100


> On Oct 6, 2019, at 4:55 PM, Dale <dalehammer at indy.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> Check out the Youtube video posted 3 days ago reviewing the K4 at the UK distributor.  Eric covered that topic.  Search using ?Elecraft K4 in Depth?
> 73,
> Dale K9NN
> 


From xdavid at cis-broadband.com  Sun Oct  6 18:11:07 2019
From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 15:11:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Question, regarding optical sensors used in K3
In-Reply-To: <af13be56-5faf-38de-4a90-c34b7f47f259@nk7z.net>
References: <af13be56-5faf-38de-4a90-c34b7f47f259@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <b6e26106-a6a6-cc27-d085-a6cac22b560a@cis-broadband.com>


I hesitate to bring up the obvious, but are you certain that it isn't 
simply slipping on the shaft?

Dave?? AB7E



On 10/6/2019 1:54 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I had an occurrence where one of my smaller knobs, (Filter Width), 
> became erratic in its control of the actual filter width... Skipping, 
> and not having any effect at all...
>
> I fussed with it a bit, and now it is working...? Is this a sign of 
> imminent failure or is it just a bot of dirt?? Any way to tell?
>


From jboehner01 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  6 21:53:04 2019
From: jboehner01 at yahoo.com (James F. Boehner MD)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 21:53:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft limited ed Hex key
Message-ID: <014301d57cb1$f6120790$e23616b0$@yahoo.com>

I wanted to thank Petr, as I did win the auction and received the Elecraft
Hex Key mentioned below.

Does anyone have any history on this key?  What were the years it was
available and did Elecraft or Bencher sell/market the key?

What was the story behind Elecraft's licensing of its name, reasons for
discontinuing the product, etc.?

I have performed searches and saw EHam reviews, but I did not much
information other than that.  

Perhaps Eric or Wayne have some information to share.

All I can say is that it is one sweet key!

'73 de JIM N2ZZ

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 9:41 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft limited ed Hex key

Hi folks,

just want to let you know that on eBay is for sale the Bencher Hex key in
limited Elecraft edition.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Elecraft-Bencher-CW-Key-Paddle-for-Elecraft-K-2-or-
K-3/133172860483?hash=item1f01b89643:g:E-UAAOSwEDFdfnYe

..looks new, no scratches, dents etc. 
I am not the seller and I am not affiliated to him but if you want it into
your Elecraft collection then there is not so mni of them on market for
sale...





-----
73 - Petr, OK1RP 
"Apple & Elecraft freak"
B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
MeWe: https://bit.ly/2HGPoDx
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From indians at xsmail.com  Mon Oct  7 04:16:51 2019
From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 01:16:51 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft limited ed Hex key
In-Reply-To: <014301d57cb1$f6120790$e23616b0$@yahoo.com>
References: <014301d57cb1$f6120790$e23616b0$@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1570436211340-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Jim,

congrats. You got nice piece for good price!

Regarding the "Elecraft" edition... It was the limited OEM edition produced
by Bencher for Elecraft labeled with Elecraft logo and the unique Elecraft
serial number starting E letter (Exxxx). Even more I saw it rarely including
special edition of HEX ceramic coffee mug! :) 

I do not remember the year when I got mine (also on eBay).

There are links to Bencher/Vibroplex site but there is nothing about its
Elecraft limited edition in the past.
http://www.vibroplex.com/contents/en-us/p250.html

Maybe Commands center in Aptos, CA will share more about it :)





-----
73 - Petr, OK1RP 
"Apple & Elecraft freak"
B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
MeWe: https://bit.ly/2HGPoDx
MeWe: https://bit.ly/2FmwvDt
--
Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/

From indians at xsmail.com  Mon Oct  7 04:27:32 2019
From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 01:27:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Stand 3d Printer
In-Reply-To: <CAHXZNSJiv6kbTQ+dNApvfudVjZVjUYPSzTO0ZfH1gT=4wXYq5w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHXZNSJiv6kbTQ+dNApvfudVjZVjUYPSzTO0ZfH1gT=4wXYq5w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1570436852833-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Dennis,

excellent job. Many thanks for sharing it.
Can you advise which direction on the bed is recommended in slicer please?
I am asking as the orientation on the printing plate will be most important
for supports...

Thanks,
Petr




-----
73 - Petr, OK1RP 
"Apple & Elecraft freak"
B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
MeWe: https://bit.ly/2HGPoDx
MeWe: https://bit.ly/2FmwvDt
--
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From G0ORH at sky.com  Mon Oct  7 05:36:49 2019
From: G0ORH at sky.com (Ken Chandler)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 10:36:49 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 upgraded! to K3s issue
Message-ID: <B6F9C8F7-663C-4A97-AB88-0605BB27C3A3@sky.com>

Hi guys
I'm experiencing an issue with my upgraded K3.
I've just fitted the Elecraft USB option thus replacing my Microham keyer.
Running Digital modes on DATA A, I cannot get the 4 bar and 5 bar flashing!
I'm running w10 pro (1903) on a fast i7 Intel Nuc pc.
I'm hooked up to the correct audio codec mic and speakers for FT8 and N1MM for digital contest modes.
Anyone with greater knowledge shed some light please!

Regards
 

Ken.. G0ORH

Sent from my iPad



From rask1553 at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct  7 07:54:46 2019
From: rask1553 at bellsouth.net (Michael Raskin)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 07:54:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD FOR SALE
Message-ID: <861B6285F3B24E4F9E555EBFC6A6C131@DESKTOPFSUHCE9>

K-POD as new in excellent condition.  Comes with cable to connect to K3 or K3s.  $200.  Free shipping CONUS..

Mike W4UM

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Oct  7 09:34:30 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 08:34:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 upgraded! to K3s issue
In-Reply-To: <B6F9C8F7-663C-4A97-AB88-0605BB27C3A3@sky.com>
References: <B6F9C8F7-663C-4A97-AB88-0605BB27C3A3@sky.com>
Message-ID: <1165B4DD-DB19-4920-BDD9-5D7D8DBF8D06@blomand.net>

Change the default tune frequency on WSJT to something other than 1500 Hz.   1600 or 1650 Hz.  There is a beat between the ALC indicator and 1500 Hz.  Appears as a pulsing and makes the level difficult to adjust.  

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 7, 2019, at 4:36 AM, Ken Chandler <G0ORH at sky.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi guys
> I'm experiencing an issue with my upgraded K3.
> I've just fitted the Elecraft USB option thus replacing my Microham keyer.
> Running Digital modes on DATA A, I cannot get the 4 bar and 5 bar flashing!
> I'm running w10 pro (1903) on a fast i7 Intel Nuc pc.
> I'm hooked up to the correct audio codec mic and speakers for FT8 and N1MM for digital contest modes.
> Anyone with greater knowledge shed some light please!
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> Ken.. G0ORH
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Oct  7 10:26:26 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 07:26:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 and VHF/UFH add-ons
In-Reply-To: <em9cf7a0dc-75e0-48a5-99a6-d82872b2c324@dibor>
References: <723AD194-B32E-4DE9-8085-A8FE0D3AD032@bellsouth.net>
	<em9cf7a0dc-75e0-48a5-99a6-d82872b2c324@dibor>
Message-ID: <578435E4-49F2-4187-B76D-635034F6D5CD@elecraft.com>

Yes. The K4 will provide multiple transverter band displays, and each cam display the target RF band. This is similar to what the K3/K3S and KX-Line radios provide.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Oct 6, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Dimitry Borzenko <4z5cp at bezeqint.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello
> 
> And additional question, can be used UHF add-on as  IF for  external transverters with proper freq. indication (5.6, 10, 24G) ?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> 
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Joseph Trombino, Jr" <w2kj at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: 06.10.2019 17:35:48
> Subject: [Elecraft] K4 and VHF/UFH add-ons
> 
>> Howdy Fellow Elecrafters.
>> 
>> I have 3 questions for the group:
>> 
>> 1.  Any rumors/inside info on the K4 delivery date(s)?
>> 
>> 2.  Will the planned VHF/UHF add-ons allow fo full duplex Satellite operation?
>> 
>> 3.  What will be the power output for these add-ons?
>> 
>> Hope everyone has a wonderful Sunday and cu on the bands with my KX2 or KX3.
>> 
>> 			73, Joe W2KJ
>> 			I QRP, therefore I am
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From 4z5cp at bezeqint.net  Mon Oct  7 11:39:59 2019
From: 4z5cp at bezeqint.net (Dimitry Borzenko)
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2019 15:39:59 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 and VHF/UFH add-ons
In-Reply-To: <578435E4-49F2-4187-B76D-635034F6D5CD@elecraft.com>
References: <723AD194-B32E-4DE9-8085-A8FE0D3AD032@bellsouth.net>
	<em9cf7a0dc-75e0-48a5-99a6-d82872b2c324@dibor>
	<578435E4-49F2-4187-B76D-635034F6D5CD@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <em25feaae7-753e-437d-84c9-5508c57013ff@dibor>

Thank you Wayne.
K3/K3S today do not shows all target frequency, do not show GHz, so from 
2304.000.000 we can see only 304.000.00
I do not understand why impossible to show 2304.000.0  and with "Fine" 
engaged - 04.000.000 ?
Or to do this configurable, if K3S has enough free flash memory :)

Best Wishes.



------ Original Message ------
From: "Wayne Burdick" <n6kr at elecraft.com>
To: "Dimitry Borzenko" <4z5cp at bezeqint.net>
Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: 07.10.2019 17:26:26
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 and VHF/UFH add-ons

>Yes. The K4 will provide multiple transverter band displays, and each cam display the target RF band. This is similar to what the K3/K3S and KX-Line radios provide.
>
>73,
>Wayne
>N6KR
>
>
>>  On Oct 6, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Dimitry Borzenko <4z5cp at bezeqint.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Hello
>>
>>  And additional question, can be used UHF add-on as  IF for  external transverters with proper freq. indication (5.6, 10, 24G) ?
>>
>>  Thank you.
>>
>>
>>  ------ Original Message ------
>>  From: "Joseph Trombino, Jr" <w2kj at bellsouth.net>
>>  To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>>  Sent: 06.10.2019 17:35:48
>>  Subject: [Elecraft] K4 and VHF/UFH add-ons
>>
>>>  Howdy Fellow Elecrafters.
>>>
>>>  I have 3 questions for the group:
>>>
>>>  1.  Any rumors/inside info on the K4 delivery date(s)?
>>>
>>>  2.  Will the planned VHF/UHF add-ons allow fo full duplex Satellite operation?
>>>
>>>  3.  What will be the power output for these add-ons?
>>>
>>>  Hope everyone has a wonderful Sunday and cu on the bands with my KX2 or KX3.
>>>
>>>  			73, Joe W2KJ
>>>  			I QRP, therefore I am
>>>  ______________________________________________________________
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Mon Oct  7 12:02:27 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 12:02:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 upgraded! to K3s issue
In-Reply-To: <1165B4DD-DB19-4920-BDD9-5D7D8DBF8D06@blomand.net>
References: <1165B4DD-DB19-4920-BDD9-5D7D8DBF8D06@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <A8ED6F29-1C57-4022-B8B4-2EFC2B2EA13B@widomaker.com>

Reduce the level of the signal from the computer. Right-click on the speaker icon on the Taskbar. Click on the mixer as and reduce level of the USB Audio Codec to about 25 to 30 percent. This should provide much better adjustment of the signal at the K3 control. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Oct 7, 2019, at 9:36 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Change the default tune frequency on WSJT to something other than 1500 Hz.   1600 or 1650 Hz.  There is a beat between the ALC indicator and 1500 Hz.  Appears as a pulsing and makes the level difficult to adjust.  
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 7, 2019, at 4:36 AM, Ken Chandler <G0ORH at sky.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi guys
>> I'm experiencing an issue with my upgraded K3.
>> I've just fitted the Elecraft USB option thus replacing my Microham keyer.
>> Running Digital modes on DATA A, I cannot get the 4 bar and 5 bar flashing!
>> I'm running w10 pro (1903) on a fast i7 Intel Nuc pc.
>> I'm hooked up to the correct audio codec mic and speakers for FT8 and N1MM for digital contest modes.
>> Anyone with greater knowledge shed some light please!
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> 
>> Ken.. G0ORH
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> 
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From rask1553 at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct  7 12:10:19 2019
From: rask1553 at bellsouth.net (Michael Raskin)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 12:10:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD Sold
Message-ID: <2E6C9131E69F4382B7F19A2AED63B429@DESKTOPFSUHCE9>

Mike W4UM

From ray2.s at btinternet.com  Mon Oct  7 12:57:12 2019
From: ray2.s at btinternet.com (Ray Spreadbury)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 17:57:12 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K$ Linux OS
Message-ID: <011d01d57d30$44db69b0$ce923d10$@btinternet.com>

I thinking of pre-ordering a K4 but on the Elecraft website it says 

 

"The K4 incorporates a powerful, fast-booting, Linux-based computing module.
This module manages the LCD and streaming I/O, including HDMI, Ethernet,
etc. But it is also a general-purpose computer that can accommodate future
in-box applications such as logging, external equipment control, even
advanced data modes. Elecraft will seek input from the user community
regarding such applications, then tailor them to the K4."

 

I currently normally use N1MM Logger Plus or sometimes Wintest as my logging
program with my K3S. 

Which is the best contest Linux based logging program available or should I
be able to use N1MM under WINE?

 

Ray G3XLG


From josh at voodoolab.com  Mon Oct  7 13:42:00 2019
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 10:42:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K$ Linux OS
In-Reply-To: <011d01d57d30$44db69b0$ce923d10$@btinternet.com>
References: <011d01d57d30$44db69b0$ce923d10$@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <9239125F-27EE-4208-B1DA-D90D04E435A5@voodoolab.com>

Unless you?re operating portable with extreme equipment limitations, I can?t imagine why you?d want your radio?s computer to run contest logging software. 

I?ve always been a proponent of pick the application software first, then the OS that runs it. Not the other way around. I understand that with multiple applications this is a compromise, but it?s still a valid philosophy. 

73,
Josh W6XU

Sent from my mobile device

> 
> 
> "The K4 incorporates a powerful, fast-booting, Linux-based computing module.
> This module manages the LCD and streaming I/O, including HDMI, Ethernet,
> etc. But it is also a general-purpose computer that can accommodate future
> in-box applications such as logging, external equipment control, even
> advanced data modes. Elecraft will seek input from the user community
> regarding such applications, then tailor them to the K4."
> 
> 
> 
> I currently normally use N1MM Logger Plus or sometimes Wintest as my logging
> program with my K3S. 
> 
> Which is the best contest Linux based logging program available or should I
> be able to use N1MM under WINE?
> 
> 


From ar at dseven.org  Mon Oct  7 14:01:48 2019
From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 11:01:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft limited ed Hex key
In-Reply-To: <014301d57cb1$f6120790$e23616b0$@yahoo.com>
References: <014301d57cb1$f6120790$e23616b0$@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CACDL7B3UheUj1OqXemGH8dJ2R1SYzFxO_sfHm8kLb1t1e4eF=Q@mail.gmail.com>

I bought E0421 (new from Elecraft) in late 2008. It got some light
use, but has spent most of its life in its box. It's available for
sale if anyone's interested.

73,

    ~iain / N6ML


On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 6:54 PM James F. Boehner MD via Elecraft
<elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
> I wanted to thank Petr, as I did win the auction and received the Elecraft
> Hex Key mentioned below.
>
> Does anyone have any history on this key?  What were the years it was
> available and did Elecraft or Bencher sell/market the key?
>
> What was the story behind Elecraft's licensing of its name, reasons for
> discontinuing the product, etc.?
>
> I have performed searches and saw EHam reviews, but I did not much
> information other than that.
>
> Perhaps Eric or Wayne have some information to share.
>
> All I can say is that it is one sweet key!
>
> '73 de JIM N2ZZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS
> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 9:41 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft limited ed Hex key
>
> Hi folks,
>
> just want to let you know that on eBay is for sale the Bencher Hex key in
> limited Elecraft edition.
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Elecraft-Bencher-CW-Key-Paddle-for-Elecraft-K-2-or-
> K-3/133172860483?hash=item1f01b89643:g:E-UAAOSwEDFdfnYe
>
> ..looks new, no scratches, dents etc.
> I am not the seller and I am not affiliated to him but if you want it into
> your Elecraft collection then there is not so mni of them on market for
> sale...
>
>
>
>
>
> -----
> 73 - Petr, OK1RP
> "Apple & Elecraft freak"
> B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
> MeWe: https://bit.ly/2HGPoDx
> MeWe: https://bit.ly/2FmwvDt
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From tim.n9puz at gmail.com  Mon Oct  7 14:49:58 2019
From: tim.n9puz at gmail.com (Tim N9PUZ)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 13:49:58 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K$ Linux OS
In-Reply-To: <9239125F-27EE-4208-B1DA-D90D04E435A5@voodoolab.com>
References: <011d01d57d30$44db69b0$ce923d10$@btinternet.com>
	<9239125F-27EE-4208-B1DA-D90D04E435A5@voodoolab.com>
Message-ID: <CAPDwUVzNWRUjoxjpxcWDqY8VGS5PqQwTnESAkqJK8ceN34245w@mail.gmail.com>

I imagine they are referring to an embedded Linux distribution that will
control the radio and interface to the outside world. It could also be used
to add other features if they wanted to offer a compact "one box does it
all" option. Elecraft are pretty smart folks. I can't imagine that they
would do something that would preclude you from using an application you
already like.

Tim N9PUZ

On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 12:43 PM Josh Fiden <josh at voodoolab.com> wrote:

> Unless you?re operating portable with extreme equipment limitations, I
> can?t imagine why you?d want your radio?s computer to run contest logging
> software.
>
> I?ve always been a proponent of pick the application software first, then
> the OS that runs it. Not the other way around. I understand that with
> multiple applications this is a compromise, but it?s still a valid
> philosophy.
>
> 73,
> Josh W6XU
>
> Sent from my mobile device
>
> >
> >
> > "The K4 incorporates a powerful, fast-booting, Linux-based computing
> module.
> > This module manages the LCD and streaming I/O, including HDMI, Ethernet,
> > etc. But it is also a general-purpose computer that can accommodate
> future
> > in-box applications such as logging, external equipment control, even
> > advanced data modes. Elecraft will seek input from the user community
> > regarding such applications, then tailor them to the K4."
> >
> >
> >
> > I currently normally use N1MM Logger Plus or sometimes Wintest as my
> logging
> > program with my K3S.
> >
> > Which is the best contest Linux based logging program available or
> should I
> > be able to use N1MM under WINE?
> >
> >
>
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Oct  7 15:45:01 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 12:45:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K$ Linux OS
In-Reply-To: <CAPDwUVzNWRUjoxjpxcWDqY8VGS5PqQwTnESAkqJK8ceN34245w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <011d01d57d30$44db69b0$ce923d10$@btinternet.com>
	<9239125F-27EE-4208-B1DA-D90D04E435A5@voodoolab.com>
	<CAPDwUVzNWRUjoxjpxcWDqY8VGS5PqQwTnESAkqJK8ceN34245w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45FC050E-0DE8-4356-8379-2779B18F9C8C@elecraft.com>

Correct, Tim. K4 in-box capabilities will supplement -- not replace -- the use of external computers. 

Given its horsepower, the K4 will have far more versatility than the K3/K3S when running both internal and external applications. 

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Oct 7, 2019, at 11:49 AM, Tim N9PUZ <tim.n9puz at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I imagine they are referring to an embedded Linux distribution that will
> control the radio and interface to the outside world. It could also be used
> to add other features if they wanted to offer a compact "one box does it
> all" option. Elecraft are pretty smart folks. I can't imagine that they
> would do something that would preclude you from using an application you
> already like.
> 
> Tim N9PUZ
> 
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 12:43 PM Josh Fiden <josh at voodoolab.com> wrote:
> 
>> Unless you?re operating portable with extreme equipment limitations, I
>> can?t imagine why you?d want your radio?s computer to run contest logging
>> software.
>> 
>> I?ve always been a proponent of pick the application software first, then
>> the OS that runs it. Not the other way around. I understand that with
>> multiple applications this is a compromise, but it?s still a valid
>> philosophy.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Josh W6XU
>> 
>> Sent from my mobile device
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "The K4 incorporates a powerful, fast-booting, Linux-based computing
>> module.
>>> This module manages the LCD and streaming I/O, including HDMI, Ethernet,
>>> etc. But it is also a general-purpose computer that can accommodate
>> future
>>> in-box applications such as logging, external equipment control, even
>>> advanced data modes. Elecraft will seek input from the user community
>>> regarding such applications, then tailor them to the K4."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I currently normally use N1MM Logger Plus or sometimes Wintest as my
>> logging
>>> program with my K3S.
>>> 
>>> Which is the best contest Linux based logging program available or
>> should I
>>> be able to use N1MM under WINE?
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Mon Oct  7 15:54:18 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 12:54:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Vox per mode - data/voice K3
In-Reply-To: <C0108467-7FAD-44B5-B41A-A2816E5BE9C9@getmailspring.com>
References: <C0108467-7FAD-44B5-B41A-A2816E5BE9C9@getmailspring.com>
Message-ID: <ceb2acfe-a129-f71e-e6e9-d6730838b9d0@triconet.org>

I quit holding my breath a long time ago.? Maybe if we buy K4s we'll get it.

Wes

On 10/6/2019 1:39 PM, TJ Campie wrote:
> Several posts on the reflector over the last few yeas regarding the ability to set VOX per-mode across Data and SSB voice. Is this still on the wish list and if so, what's keeping it from being implemented? There's a post from Wayne in 2009 saying it was on the list!
>
> Please make this a reality!
> TJ w0ea


From niel.skousen at gmail.com  Mon Oct  7 16:15:27 2019
From: niel.skousen at gmail.com (Niel Skousen)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 14:15:27 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K$ Linux OS
In-Reply-To: <45FC050E-0DE8-4356-8379-2779B18F9C8C@elecraft.com>
References: <011d01d57d30$44db69b0$ce923d10$@btinternet.com>
	<9239125F-27EE-4208-B1DA-D90D04E435A5@voodoolab.com>
	<CAPDwUVzNWRUjoxjpxcWDqY8VGS5PqQwTnESAkqJK8ceN34245w@mail.gmail.com>
	<45FC050E-0DE8-4356-8379-2779B18F9C8C@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <B7CBC956-5213-4734-990D-4AE76AAD0D31@gmail.com>

Have you released the SBC board spec yet ?   Can we take a look at which board you all choose ??

Thanks Wayne

Niel
WA7SSA

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 7, 2019, at 13:45, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> Correct, Tim. K4 in-box capabilities will supplement -- not replace -- the use of external computers. 
> 
> Given its horsepower, the K4 will have far more versatility than the K3/K3S when running both internal and external applications. 
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
>> On Oct 7, 2019, at 11:49 AM, Tim N9PUZ <tim.n9puz at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I imagine they are referring to an embedded Linux distribution that will
>> control the radio and interface to the outside world. It could also be used
>> to add other features if they wanted to offer a compact "one box does it
>> all" option. Elecraft are pretty smart folks. I can't imagine that they
>> would do something that would preclude you from using an application you
>> already like.
>> 
>> Tim N9PUZ
>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 12:43 PM Josh Fiden <josh at voodoolab.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Unless you?re operating portable with extreme equipment limitations, I
>>> can?t imagine why you?d want your radio?s computer to run contest logging
>>> software.
>>> 
>>> I?ve always been a proponent of pick the application software first, then
>>> the OS that runs it. Not the other way around. I understand that with
>>> multiple applications this is a compromise, but it?s still a valid
>>> philosophy.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Josh W6XU
>>> 
>>> Sent from my mobile device
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> "The K4 incorporates a powerful, fast-booting, Linux-based computing
>>> module.
>>>> This module manages the LCD and streaming I/O, including HDMI, Ethernet,
>>>> etc. But it is also a general-purpose computer that can accommodate
>>> future
>>>> in-box applications such as logging, external equipment control, even
>>>> advanced data modes. Elecraft will seek input from the user community
>>>> regarding such applications, then tailor them to the K4."
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I currently normally use N1MM Logger Plus or sometimes Wintest as my
>>> logging
>>>> program with my K3S.
>>>> 
>>>> Which is the best contest Linux based logging program available or
>>> should I
>>>> be able to use N1MM under WINE?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From beibeisos1 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  7 16:26:39 2019
From: beibeisos1 at gmail.com (beibeisos1 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 16:26:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for an unbuilt K1
Message-ID: <11407F6B-8151-48AC-B4FF-2F3C6E8D8859@gmail.com>

Hi folks,

I have been looking for an unbuilt k1 kit for a long time. The sad thing is I regarded the k1 as an overpriced kit when it was still in production and just realized it is the finest little kit I can get after it went discontinued.
Please contact me by my email beibeisos1 at gmail.com if you happened to have a spare one and do not need it anymore. 

73,
Mocun

From kengkopp at gmail.com  Mon Oct  7 17:33:29 2019
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 15:33:29 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] San Francisco Chronicle: PG&E issues unprecedented power
 shut-off watch for much of Northern California
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTMuhQRR1x0GqArsgD2dWZ6RsncgLziY=GVjRy=K4pvZPg@mail.gmail.com>

Probably of interest ...

https://www.sfchronicle.com/california-wildfires/article/PG-E-issues-unprecedented-power-shutoff-watch-for-14498454.php

From bdeuby at gmail.com  Mon Oct  7 20:11:24 2019
From: bdeuby at gmail.com (B Deuby)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 20:11:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Text Decoding
Message-ID: <55C0BE7D-CBB8-4DB3-A484-CBD0CF5FF136@gmail.com>

I am unable to get the Text Decode function on my K3 to produce accurate results. I have employed the tweaks suggested in the K3 manual, but the text produced bears little resemblance to the code that was sent. 

Ordinarily I would ascribe a problem like this to operator error - but I don?t think that this is the case. 

Any suggestions and/or observations would be appreciated. 

Thanks,

Brian, K8GRR 

Sent from my iPhone

From jasimmons at pinewooddata.com  Mon Oct  7 20:41:13 2019
From: jasimmons at pinewooddata.com (John Simmons)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 19:41:13 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Text Decoding
In-Reply-To: <55C0BE7D-CBB8-4DB3-A484-CBD0CF5FF136@gmail.com>
References: <55C0BE7D-CBB8-4DB3-A484-CBD0CF5FF136@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <40660c7a-01df-6d50-57ba-e0e4c8b8c780@pinewooddata.com>

Are you using the CWT function to tune the VFO to the correct frequency?

-de John NI0K

B Deuby wrote on 10/7/2019 7:11 PM:
> I am unable to get the Text Decode function on my K3 to produce accurate results. I have employed the tweaks suggested in the K3 manual, but the text produced bears little resemblance to the code that was sent.
>
> Ordinarily I would ascribe a problem like this to operator error - but I don?t think that this is the case.
>
> Any suggestions and/or observations would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian, K8GRR
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From k6mr at outlook.com  Mon Oct  7 20:42:44 2019
From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 00:42:44 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] San Francisco Chronicle: PG&E issues unprecedented
 power shut-off watch for much of Northern California
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTMuhQRR1x0GqArsgD2dWZ6RsncgLziY=GVjRy=K4pvZPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTMuhQRR1x0GqArsgD2dWZ6RsncgLziY=GVjRy=K4pvZPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR07MB6214FAF9906553688E1A91A09E9A0@BYAPR07MB6214.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Yep, we?ve all received our text message, email, and phone call.  They are taking no chances.



My generator is fueled and ready  :^)



Ken K6MR



________________________________
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Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 2:33:29 PM
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] San Francisco Chronicle: PG&E issues unprecedented power shut-off watch for much of Northern California

Probably of interest ...

https://www.sfchronicle.com/california-wildfires/article/PG-E-issues-unprecedented-power-shutoff-watch-for-14498454.php
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From barrylazar2 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  7 20:46:04 2019
From: barrylazar2 at gmail.com (Barry)
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2019 00:46:04 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Text Decoding
In-Reply-To: <55C0BE7D-CBB8-4DB3-A484-CBD0CF5FF136@gmail.com>
References: <55C0BE7D-CBB8-4DB3-A484-CBD0CF5FF136@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <em08058e0a-2fa1-4678-9a59-e9cbd3dccef1@office-desktop-i>

Brian,
     It does work. But it usually takes a pretty good signal. I have gone 
over to CW Skimmer as it appears to be t he best thing on the street, 
better than most all of the others. I can contest with it at a pretty 
good clip. The setup is slightly involved, but once set up it really 
works well and can control the radio.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

------ Original Message ------
From: "B Deuby" <bdeuby at gmail.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Sent: 10/7/2019 8:11:24 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Text Decoding

>I am unable to get the Text Decode function on my K3 to produce accurate results. I have employed the tweaks suggested in the K3 manual, but the text produced bears little resemblance to the code that was sent.
>
>Ordinarily I would ascribe a problem like this to operator error - but I don?t think that this is the case.
>
>Any suggestions and/or observations would be appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Brian, K8GRR
>
>Sent from my iPhone
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From xdavid at cis-broadband.com  Mon Oct  7 22:04:34 2019
From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 19:04:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Text Decoding
In-Reply-To: <em08058e0a-2fa1-4678-9a59-e9cbd3dccef1@office-desktop-i>
References: <55C0BE7D-CBB8-4DB3-A484-CBD0CF5FF136@gmail.com>
	<em08058e0a-2fa1-4678-9a59-e9cbd3dccef1@office-desktop-i>
Message-ID: <7bb1aeaa-d1c1-4f52-1745-7636633ed292@cis-broadband.com>


CW Skimmer not only has a great decoder, it has the best waterfall 
display I've seen.? On top of that, the waterfall runs right to left 
like all narrowband waterfalls should so that you can read left to right 
to visually decode a CW signal several seconds after the fact if you 
miss a character when decoding by ear.? I have often used CW Skimmer in 
a CW contest in narrowband audio mode with decoding turned off for this 
purpose.? It works great and saves asking for repeats if you happened to 
miss an element.

I once proposed here in this reflector that it would be nice if the K4 
could have the option to do the same thing but all I heard back was 
crickets.

73,
Dave?? AB7E



On 10/7/2019 5:46 PM, Barry wrote:
> Brian,
> ??? It does work. But it usually takes a pretty good signal. I have 
> gone over to CW Skimmer as it appears to be t he best thing on the 
> street, better than most all of the others. I can contest with it at a 
> pretty good clip. The setup is slightly involved, but once set up it 
> really works well and can control the radio.
>
> 73,
> Barry
> K3NDM


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Oct  7 22:11:27 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 19:11:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] San Francisco Chronicle: PG&E issues unprecedented
 power shut-off watch for much of Northern California
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR07MB6214FAF9906553688E1A91A09E9A0@BYAPR07MB6214.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAD4CdTMuhQRR1x0GqArsgD2dWZ6RsncgLziY=GVjRy=K4pvZPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BYAPR07MB6214FAF9906553688E1A91A09E9A0@BYAPR07MB6214.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <8E27BE8A-6973-4D22-8F52-819196AFE1FB@elecraft.com>

I was visiting a sister last weekend who lives *really* deep in the woods, 50 miles from anywhere in northern California. She's completely off the grid, thus unconcerned about PG&E's power lines. But she also has very spotty cellphone reception.

During a moment when none of us had any bars, I pulled out the KX2 and the AX1 whip (with the AXE1 40 meter extender). Sitting on her porch, running 10 watts SSB, I had no trouble checking into the Noontime Net on 40 meters. Now she wants a ham license and "one of those cute little radios"  :)

We also heard an opening to Europe on 17 meters, but elected to play guitar, drink wine, and enjoy the perfect weather instead.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Oct 7, 2019, at 5:42 PM, Ken K6MR <k6mr at outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> Yep, we?ve all received our text message, email, and phone call.  They are taking no chances.
> 
> 
> 
> My generator is fueled and ready  :^)
> 
> 
> 
> Ken K6MR





From rich at wc3t.us  Mon Oct  7 22:26:24 2019
From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 22:26:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Text Decoding
In-Reply-To: <7bb1aeaa-d1c1-4f52-1745-7636633ed292@cis-broadband.com>
References: <55C0BE7D-CBB8-4DB3-A484-CBD0CF5FF136@gmail.com>
	<em08058e0a-2fa1-4678-9a59-e9cbd3dccef1@office-desktop-i>
	<7bb1aeaa-d1c1-4f52-1745-7636633ed292@cis-broadband.com>
Message-ID: <CABYU7Wj2rVjyxDsjNrDAc7NgK8vcP4j3F2SokqMRWiCXycCvnQ@mail.gmail.com>

Just be sure you give it a fair shake after you install it. I installed it
and sort of played with it unseriously.  Then when I really started to dive
into it, I discovered the 30 day timer had expired.  And I didn?t get a
chance to justify to myself the expense.

I?m now building a laptop for ham-only use and will reinstall it and try
again.

On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 22:04 David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com> wrote:

>
> CW Skimmer not only has a great decoder, it has the best waterfall
> display I've seen.  On top of that, the waterfall runs right to left
> like all narrowband waterfalls should so that you can read left to right
> to visually decode a CW signal several seconds after the fact if you
> miss a character when decoding by ear.  I have often used CW Skimmer in
> a CW contest in narrowband audio mode with decoding turned off for this
> purpose.  It works great and saves asking for repeats if you happened to
> miss an element.
>
> I once proposed here in this reflector that it would be nice if the K4
> could have the option to do the same thing but all I heard back was
> crickets.
>
> 73,
> Dave   AB7E
>
>
>
> On 10/7/2019 5:46 PM, Barry wrote:
> > Brian,
> >     It does work. But it usually takes a pretty good signal. I have
> > gone over to CW Skimmer as it appears to be t he best thing on the
> > street, better than most all of the others. I can contest with it at a
> > pretty good clip. The setup is slightly involved, but once set up it
> > really works well and can control the radio.
> >
> > 73,
> > Barry
> > K3NDM
>
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-- 
72,
Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737
Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting
Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988  (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid:
*FN20is*

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Mon Oct  7 23:06:51 2019
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 20:06:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] San Francisco Chronicle: PG&E issues unprecedented
 power shut-off watch for much of Northern California
In-Reply-To: <8E27BE8A-6973-4D22-8F52-819196AFE1FB@elecraft.com>
References: <CAD4CdTMuhQRR1x0GqArsgD2dWZ6RsncgLziY=GVjRy=K4pvZPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BYAPR07MB6214FAF9906553688E1A91A09E9A0@BYAPR07MB6214.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
	<8E27BE8A-6973-4D22-8F52-819196AFE1FB@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <7D0677B9-03EC-4495-B6CE-36C21423025E@wunderwood.org>

I have some friends with a place near Lassen. I keep thinking ?Dang, should have done CQP from there.?

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Oct 7, 2019, at 7:11 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> I was visiting a sister last weekend who lives *really* deep in the woods, 50 miles from anywhere in northern California. She's completely off the grid, thus unconcerned about PG&E's power lines. But she also has very spotty cellphone reception.
> 
> During a moment when none of us had any bars, I pulled out the KX2 and the AX1 whip (with the AXE1 40 meter extender). Sitting on her porch, running 10 watts SSB, I had no trouble checking into the Noontime Net on 40 meters. Now she wants a ham license and "one of those cute little radios"  :)
> 
> We also heard an opening to Europe on 17 meters, but elected to play guitar, drink wine, and enjoy the perfect weather instead.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
>> On Oct 7, 2019, at 5:42 PM, Ken K6MR <k6mr at outlook.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Yep, we?ve all received our text message, email, and phone call.  They are taking no chances.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My generator is fueled and ready  :^)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ken K6MR
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From xdavid at cis-broadband.com  Tue Oct  8 00:23:13 2019
From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 21:23:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Text Decoding
In-Reply-To: <CABYU7Wj2rVjyxDsjNrDAc7NgK8vcP4j3F2SokqMRWiCXycCvnQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55C0BE7D-CBB8-4DB3-A484-CBD0CF5FF136@gmail.com>
	<em08058e0a-2fa1-4678-9a59-e9cbd3dccef1@office-desktop-i>
	<7bb1aeaa-d1c1-4f52-1745-7636633ed292@cis-broadband.com>
	<CABYU7Wj2rVjyxDsjNrDAc7NgK8vcP4j3F2SokqMRWiCXycCvnQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7aedd9eb-8350-b6d7-b647-51012892fc4e@cis-broadband.com>


If you haven't played with CW Skimmer much, here's a couple of points of 
interest.

1.? You can run multiple instances.? I fed the Line Out from my K3 into 
the sound card of my computer, and had one instance of CW SKimmer 
display a waterfall of the narrow band audio from the main receiver and 
another instance of CW Skimmer display the narrow band audio from the 
sub receiver.? You'd be amazed at how distinct the dits and dahs look 
compared to just about every other waterfall application I've ever 
seen.? You can shrink the vertical display height of both instances of 
CW Skimmer to make them fit above your logging program on a decent sized 
monitor.? Imagine being able to pick out the callsign of a station on 
VFO B while you are focused on working somebody on VFO A ... even if he 
gave his callsign several seconds before you looked at the VFO B waterfall.

2.? There is a command that will pause the CW Skimmer waterfall. It's a 
toggle ... hit it once to pause and hit it again to restart. I don't 
remember the command off the top of my head but I remember mapping it to 
a key on the keyboard using the outstanding free application called 
AutoHotKey.? I didn't have to use it very often, but any time I blew a 
received report I'd just tap that key and it would let me visually 
decode whatever I busted and correct it after the contact, and since the 
display was paused I could do it when it was convenient.

3.? If you turn off the decode in CW Skimmer it is simply a waterfall 
and qualifies for unassisted categories, but the visual display cuts you 
a lot of slack for human decoding.? Just read the dots and dashes in 
your mind as dits and dahs and you'd be surprised how quickly you learn 
to decode visually ... except now you have a "do over" capability to 
help you out, or alternatively have a brief record of whatever is 
happening on one VFO while you are active on the other. ? It's almost 
like turning one operator into one and a half operators.

4.? You don't need ANY additional hardware to use CW Skimmer in audio mode.

73,
Dave?? AB7E



On 10/7/2019 7:26 PM, rich hurd WC3T wrote:
> Just be sure you give it a fair shake after you install it. I 
> installed it and sort of played with it unseriously.? Then when I 
> really started to dive into it, I discovered the 30 day timer had 
> expired.? And I didn?t get a chance to justify to myself the expense.
>
> I?m now building a laptop for ham-only use and will reinstall it and 
> try again.
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 22:04 David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com 
> <mailto:xdavid at cis-broadband.com>> wrote:
>
>
>     CW Skimmer not only has a great decoder, it has the best waterfall
>     display I've seen.? On top of that, the waterfall runs right to left
>     like all narrowband waterfalls should so that you can read left to
>     right
>     to visually decode a CW signal several seconds after the fact if you
>     miss a character when decoding by ear.? I have often used CW
>     Skimmer in
>     a CW contest in narrowband audio mode with decoding turned off for
>     this
>     purpose.? It works great and saves asking for repeats if you
>     happened to
>     miss an element.
>
>     I once proposed here in this reflector that it would be nice if
>     the K4
>     could have the option to do the same thing but all I heard back was
>     crickets.
>
>     73,
>     Dave?? AB7E
>
>
>
>     On 10/7/2019 5:46 PM, Barry wrote:
>     > Brian,
>     > ??? It does work. But it usually takes a pretty good signal. I have
>     > gone over to CW Skimmer as it appears to be t he best thing on the
>     > street, better than most all of the others. I can contest with
>     it at a
>     > pretty good clip. The setup is slightly involved, but once set
>     up it
>     > really works well and can control the radio.
>     >
>     > 73,
>     > Barry
>     > K3NDM
>
>     ______________________________________________________________
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> -- 
> 72,
> Rich Hurd / WC3T /?DMR: 3142737
> Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting
> Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 ?(40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) 
> Grid: *FN20is*
>


From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Tue Oct  8 01:23:13 2019
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 08:23:13 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] San Francisco Chronicle: PG&E issues unprecedented
	power shut-off watch for much of Northern California
In-Reply-To: <8E27BE8A-6973-4D22-8F52-819196AFE1FB@elecraft.com>
References: <CAD4CdTMuhQRR1x0GqArsgD2dWZ6RsncgLziY=GVjRy=K4pvZPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BYAPR07MB6214FAF9906553688E1A91A09E9A0@BYAPR07MB6214.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
	<8E27BE8A-6973-4D22-8F52-819196AFE1FB@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <3B3BC0F7-80ED-4DB4-8CB3-FC1C1405CCF7@gmail.com>

You can probably get her a deal on one of those ?cute little radios,? Wayne! 
My wife refers to my K2 as my ?little dorky radio?, but someday there will be an emergency and she?ll appreciate it.
Incidentally, a serious blackout is a good opportunity to use home station antennas with no manmade QRN. 

Victor 4X6GP 

> On 8 Oct 2019, at 5:11, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> I was visiting a sister last weekend who lives *really* deep in the woods, 50 miles from anywhere in northern California. She's completely off the grid, thus unconcerned about PG&E's power lines. But she also has very spotty cellphone reception.
> 
> During a moment when none of us had any bars, I pulled out the KX2 and the AX1 whip (with the AXE1 40 meter extender). Sitting on her porch, running 10 watts SSB, I had no trouble checking into the Noontime Net on 40 meters. Now she wants a ham license and "one of those cute little radios"  :)
> 
> We also heard an opening to Europe on 17 meters, but elected to play guitar, drink wine, and enjoy the perfect weather instead.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
>> On Oct 7, 2019, at 5:42 PM, Ken K6MR <k6mr at outlook.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Yep, we?ve all received our text message, email, and phone call.  They are taking no chances.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My generator is fueled and ready  :^)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ken K6MR
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From w7tr at outlook.com  Tue Oct  8 02:40:03 2019
From: w7tr at outlook.com (Todd KH2TJ)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 06:40:03 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] San Francisco Chronicle: PG&E issues unprecedented
 power shut-off watch for much of Northern California
In-Reply-To: <7D0677B9-03EC-4495-B6CE-36C21423025E@wunderwood.org>
References: <CAD4CdTMuhQRR1x0GqArsgD2dWZ6RsncgLziY=GVjRy=K4pvZPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<BYAPR07MB6214FAF9906553688E1A91A09E9A0@BYAPR07MB6214.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
	<8E27BE8A-6973-4D22-8F52-819196AFE1FB@elecraft.com>,
	<7D0677B9-03EC-4495-B6CE-36C21423025E@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <BYAPR05MB587940817E4207250BD296249A9A0@BYAPR05MB5879.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

One of the benefits of living in the northeast counties of California is that we're not on PG$E power  ?

Let me know if you ever want to come up and do LASS for CQP - Black Mtn Lookout is rentable with electricity - just have to supply drinking water.
You can bring your KX3 and I'll use my KX2 - shouldn't be too hard to beat the current QRP record...

73, Todd KH2TJ


________________________________
From:  Walter Underwood
 ?Dang, should have done CQP from there.?






From jstengrevics at comcast.net  Tue Oct  8 02:57:23 2019
From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 08:57:23 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Text Decoding
In-Reply-To: <55C0BE7D-CBB8-4DB3-A484-CBD0CF5FF136@gmail.com>
References: <55C0BE7D-CBB8-4DB3-A484-CBD0CF5FF136@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2EDC82B0-A50F-48AB-93D2-BE841A527367@comcast.net>

In my experience, it only works on a big signal, which is when you don?t need it.

John
WA1EAZ

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 8, 2019, at 2:11 AM, B Deuby <bdeuby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am unable to get the Text Decode function on my K3 to produce accurate results. I have employed the tweaks suggested in the K3 manual, but the text produced bears little resemblance to the code that was sent. 
> 
> Ordinarily I would ascribe a problem like this to operator error - but I don?t think that this is the case. 
> 
> Any suggestions and/or observations would be appreciated. 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brian, K8GRR 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From ray2.s at btinternet.com  Tue Oct  8 04:08:21 2019
From: ray2.s at btinternet.com (Ray Spreadbury)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 09:08:21 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K$ Linux OS
Message-ID: <009a01d57daf$8dfaf280$a9f0d780$@btinternet.com>

Thanks for the clarification guys. 

I was confused by the reference in the K4 FAQ's on the Elecraft site which
says:-  "..a general-purpose computer that can accommodate future in-box
applications such as logging,..."

I have used in the past an Expert Electronics MB1 transceiver which has an
internal full blown W10 computer in it & communicates with logging programs
etc also on that same internal PC via VSP's, VAC's etc.

That does of course reduce the necessary hardware cables between the
transceiver & an external laptop or PC plus reduces the footprint on the
shack desk.

Ray G3XLG


From barrylazar2 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  8 10:14:10 2019
From: barrylazar2 at gmail.com (Barry)
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2019 14:14:10 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Text Decoding
In-Reply-To: <7aedd9eb-8350-b6d7-b647-51012892fc4e@cis-broadband.com>
References: <55C0BE7D-CBB8-4DB3-A484-CBD0CF5FF136@gmail.com>
	<em08058e0a-2fa1-4678-9a59-e9cbd3dccef1@office-desktop-i>
	<7bb1aeaa-d1c1-4f52-1745-7636633ed292@cis-broadband.com>
	<CABYU7Wj2rVjyxDsjNrDAc7NgK8vcP4j3F2SokqMRWiCXycCvnQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aedd9eb-8350-b6d7-b647-51012892fc4e@cis-broadband.com>
Message-ID: <em20cef813-a61b-4d8e-9912-a225efc24835@office-desktop-i>

Dave,
     Your last comment is correct. However, CW Skimmer comes into its own 
when you feed it IF I&Q data. You can see what is happening across the 
band or a portion of it and still read the signal narrow band. You do 
this by clicking on the signal you want to pursue and and listen in 
narrow band. By clicking on the wanted signal, the radio is tuned to it. 
This does require a little set up and setting offsets, but it is really 
worth it. A little interesting point: in a little less than rigorous 
testing, I found that that Skimmer seems to work a bit better using I&Q 
data rather than just the receiver audio. But, that was not a rigorous 
test and someone who is really interested can do the follow up.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

------ Original Message ------
From: "David Gilbert" <xdavid at cis-broadband.com>
To: "rich hurd WC3T" <rich at wc3t.us>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Sent: 10/8/2019 12:23:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW Text Decoding

>
>If you haven't played with CW Skimmer much, here's a couple of points of interest.
>
>1.  You can run multiple instances.  I fed the Line Out from my K3 into the sound card of my computer, and had one instance of CW SKimmer display a waterfall of the narrow band audio from the main receiver and another instance of CW Skimmer display the narrow band audio from the sub receiver.  You'd be amazed at how distinct the dits and dahs look compared to just about every other waterfall application I've ever seen.  You can shrink the vertical display height of both instances of CW Skimmer to make them fit above your logging program on a decent sized monitor.  Imagine being able to pick out the callsign of a station on VFO B while you are focused on working somebody on VFO A ... even if he gave his callsign several seconds before you looked at the VFO B waterfall.
>
>2.  There is a command that will pause the CW Skimmer waterfall. It's a toggle ... hit it once to pause and hit it again to restart. I don't remember the command off the top of my head but I remember mapping it to a key on the keyboard using the outstanding free application called AutoHotKey.  I didn't have to use it very often, but any time I blew a received report I'd just tap that key and it would let me visually decode whatever I busted and correct it after the contact, and since the display was paused I could do it when it was convenient.
>
>3.  If you turn off the decode in CW Skimmer it is simply a waterfall and qualifies for unassisted categories, but the visual display cuts you a lot of slack for human decoding.  Just read the dots and dashes in your mind as dits and dahs and you'd be surprised how quickly you learn to decode visually ... except now you have a "do over" capability to help you out, or alternatively have a brief record of whatever is happening on one VFO while you are active on the other.   It's almost like turning one operator into one and a half operators.
>
>4.  You don't need ANY additional hardware to use CW Skimmer in audio mode.
>
>73,
>Dave   AB7E
>
>
>
>On 10/7/2019 7:26 PM, rich hurd WC3T wrote:
>>Just be sure you give it a fair shake after you install it. I installed it and sort of played with it unseriously.  Then when I really started to dive into it, I discovered the 30 day timer had expired.  And I didn?t get a chance to justify to myself the expense.
>>
>>I?m now building a laptop for ham-only use and will reinstall it and try again.
>>
>>On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 22:04 David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com <mailto:xdavid at cis-broadband.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>     CW Skimmer not only has a great decoder, it has the best waterfall
>>     display I've seen.  On top of that, the waterfall runs right to left
>>     like all narrowband waterfalls should so that you can read left to
>>     right
>>     to visually decode a CW signal several seconds after the fact if you
>>     miss a character when decoding by ear.  I have often used CW
>>     Skimmer in
>>     a CW contest in narrowband audio mode with decoding turned off for
>>     this
>>     purpose.  It works great and saves asking for repeats if you
>>     happened to
>>     miss an element.
>>
>>     I once proposed here in this reflector that it would be nice if
>>     the K4
>>     could have the option to do the same thing but all I heard back was
>>     crickets.
>>
>>     73,
>>     Dave   AB7E
>>
>>
>>
>>     On 10/7/2019 5:46 PM, Barry wrote:
>>     > Brian,
>>     >     It does work. But it usually takes a pretty good signal. I have
>>     > gone over to CW Skimmer as it appears to be t he best thing on the
>>     > street, better than most all of the others. I can contest with
>>     it at a
>>     > pretty good clip. The setup is slightly involved, but once set
>>     up it
>>     > really works well and can control the radio.
>>     >
>>     > 73,
>>     > Barry
>>     > K3NDM
>>
>>     ______________________________________________________________
>>     Elecraft mailing list
>>     Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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>>
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>>-- 72,
>>Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737
>>Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting
>>Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988  (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: *FN20is*
>>
>
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From w3dx at aol.com  Tue Oct  8 13:56:23 2019
From: w3dx at aol.com (W3DX)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 20:56:23 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Tariff Question
Message-ID: <AEC923B9-1968-4531-9F5A-DC59CE9C0E1B@aol.com>

Hi Guys-

I know the tariffs are having a broad-based effect on the electronics industry. Can you comment on how tariffs are impacting American radio manufacturers like Elecraft? Do Japanese companies face tariffs on their Chinese components, or do Japanese manufacturers avoid tariffs because the Chinese components are sourced through Japan?

Wishing Elecraft best of luck through the tariff situation and appreciate all of the cool new products.

73 & DX,

Rob, W3DX 

KX2 #0005


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Tue Oct  8 14:05:33 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 11:05:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Tariff Question
In-Reply-To: <AEC923B9-1968-4531-9F5A-DC59CE9C0E1B@aol.com>
References: <AEC923B9-1968-4531-9F5A-DC59CE9C0E1B@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C0697B48-09FB-47F4-A9F8-433253D894AC@elecraft.com>

Hi Rob,

I can't speak for the Japanese (my guess is they're not affected by tariffs at all). But yes, anyone developing electronic products in the US is definitely impacted. 

A large fraction of the parts we -- and everyone else -- use come from countries subject to current US tariffs. And in many cases, there are simply no substitutes. We're attempting to minimize the impact by sourcing from other places where possible, which has resulted in some redesign. But it's an ongoing challenge. We're hoping for lower or eliminated tariffs in the future, of course.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



> On Oct 8, 2019, at 10:56 AM, W3DX via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Guys-
> 
> I know the tariffs are having a broad-based effect on the electronics industry. Can you comment on how tariffs are impacting American radio manufacturers like Elecraft? Do Japanese companies face tariffs on their Chinese components, or do Japanese manufacturers avoid tariffs because the Chinese components are sourced through Japan?
> 
> Wishing Elecraft best of luck through the tariff situation and appreciate all of the cool new products.
> 
> 73 & DX,
> 
> Rob, W3DX 
> 
> KX2 #0005

From no9e at arrl.net  Tue Oct  8 15:17:13 2019
From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 12:17:13 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Text Decoding
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I feel that KX3 has a much better CW decoder than K3.
Ignacy, NO9E



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From scott.small at gmail.com  Tue Oct  8 19:26:39 2019
From: scott.small at gmail.com (Tox)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 16:26:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Text Decoding
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I still have not found the magic to get my kx3 to reliably yield
anything but a stream of E and *. :(

Scott
AD6YT

On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 12:17 PM Ignacy <no9e at arrl.net> wrote:
>
> I feel that KX3 has a much better CW decoder than K3.
> Ignacy, NO9E
>
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From jasimmons at pinewooddata.com  Tue Oct  8 21:01:27 2019
From: jasimmons at pinewooddata.com (John Simmons)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 20:01:27 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Text Decoding
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Mine works pretty well. I use it during CW contests to help copy the 
speed demons. Works well for me, so I know the system works. How about 
an email to Elecraft support?

-de John NI0K

Tox wrote on 10/8/2019 6:26 PM:
> I still have not found the magic to get my kx3 to reliably yield
> anything but a stream of E and *. :(
>
> Scott
> AD6YT
>
> On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 12:17 PM Ignacy <no9e at arrl.net> wrote:
>> I feel that KX3 has a much better CW decoder than K3.
>> Ignacy, NO9E
>>
>>
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From randyh at greywolfstudios.com  Tue Oct  8 23:19:39 2019
From: randyh at greywolfstudios.com (Randy Heise)
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2019 20:19:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Blasphemy maybe but looking for an honest assessment of
 the K2 vs. Icom 7300 ...
Message-ID: <D9C29FDB.4968B%randyh@greywolfstudios.com>

So, background! I have just returned to the air after an 18 year hiatus
other than keeping my license up to date. What lured me back was retirement
and FT-8. For the past several days I have been operating with my Rev. A K2
(all options) built in 2001, a SignaLink USB interface, WSJT-X, MacLoggerDX
and JT-Bridge. Because I am "antenna challenged? due to the HOA it has
become obvious that except in perfect conditions I could use a little more
horsepower. I?m faced with a $1,170 bill to do the Rev. A/B mods, build the
Kat-100 and KPA-100 ? or ? $1,215 for an Icom 7300 and an LDG IT100 external
tuner. I?d really appreciate thoughts from anyone who is knowledgeable on
both rigs. The Icom gives me a waterfall display and 6 meters ? WSJT-X gives
my K2 a waterfall display. It?s a toss up in price but I can?t help
wondering about the 20 year difference in technology.

Thanks, Randy - NB7E







From randyh at greywolfstudios.com  Tue Oct  8 23:58:58 2019
From: randyh at greywolfstudios.com (Randy Heise)
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2019 20:58:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Blasphemy maybe but looking for an honest assessment of
 the K2 vs. Icom 7300 ...
Message-ID: <D9C2A912.4969C%randyh@greywolfstudios.com>

So, background! I have just returned to the air after an 18 year hiatus
other than keeping my license up to date. What lured me back was retirement
and FT-8. For the past several days I have been operating with my Rev. A K2
(all options) built in 2001, a SignaLink USB interface, WSJT-X, MacLoggerDX
and JT-Bridge. Because I am "antenna challenged?? due to the HOA it has
become obvious that except in perfect conditions I could use a little more
horsepower. I??m faced with a $1,170 bill to do the Rev. A/B mods, build the
Kat-100 and KPA-100 ? or ? $1,215 for an Icom 7300 and an LDG IT100 external
tuner. I??d really appreciate thoughts from anyone who is knowledgeable on
both rigs. The Icom gives me a waterfall display and 6 meters ? WSJT-X gives
my K2 a waterfall display. It??s a toss up in price but I can??t help
wondering about the 20 year difference in technology.

Thanks, Randy - NB7E



From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Oct  9 00:32:01 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 00:32:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Blasphemy maybe but looking for an honest assessment
 of the K2 vs. Icom 7300 ...
In-Reply-To: <D9C29FDB.4968B%randyh@greywolfstudios.com>
References: <D9C29FDB.4968B%randyh@greywolfstudios.com>
Message-ID: <e7934c9c-b6e3-2fa1-b1fc-9e4aa9571147@embarqmail.com>

Randy,

Faced with that kind of decision (mainly dollar comparison), why fully 
upgrade the K2 with the A/B mods -- just update the firmware to get the 
added functions.  From your question, I surmise you are not necessarily 
'in love' with your K2 as some of the original builders would be having 
tremendous pride in the fact that they built it themselves.  I for one 
have my Field Test K2 SN 0020 which has been fully upgraded, but I will 
not part with it - that is for my heirs to decide.

Yes, you will not have the temperature stability of a new K2, and you 
will not have some of the other K2 hardware improvements. But it will 
still work fine for less money than a full upgrade.  I am assuming you 
will be using it in a temperature stable environment.
Any K2 can work great - the most important for receive performance is 
the IF filter alignment, so do that carefully with an audio spectrum 
analyzer running on your computer.  If you are planning digital modes, 
turn on the RTTY filter set and align those filters to optimize your 
digital filters while not disturbing your SSB settings, especially 
compression settings.

I am certain the Icom 7300 will have more modern features, but in 
receive performance even the oldest K2 can stand on its own.  I have not 
compared the K2 with a 7300, but you can check the Sherwood ratings to 
see the relative ranking.

Oh yes, if it is a QRP K2, and you want 100 watt capability, you will 
need the KPA100 and KAT100 as well.  There are parts in the KPA100 kit 
to upgrade the 10/12 meter bandpass filter and the VFO ALC.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/8/2019 11:19 PM, Randy Heise wrote:
> So, background! I have just returned to the air after an 18 year hiatus
> other than keeping my license up to date. What lured me back was retirement
> and FT-8. For the past several days I have been operating with my Rev. A K2
> (all options) built in 2001, a SignaLink USB interface, WSJT-X, MacLoggerDX
> and JT-Bridge. Because I am "antenna challenged? due to the HOA it has
> become obvious that except in perfect conditions I could use a little more
> horsepower. I?m faced with a $1,170 bill to do the Rev. A/B mods, build the
> Kat-100 and KPA-100 ? or ? $1,215 for an Icom 7300 and an LDG IT100 external
> tuner. I?d really appreciate thoughts from anyone who is knowledgeable on
> both rigs. The Icom gives me a waterfall display and 6 meters ? WSJT-X gives
> my K2 a waterfall display. It?s a toss up in price but I can?t help
> wondering about the 20 year difference in technology.
> 

From john_n1jm at outlook.com  Wed Oct  9 01:00:42 2019
From: john_n1jm at outlook.com (John_N1JM)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 22:00:42 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Utilities
Message-ID: <1570597242409-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Are they 64bit for Catalina on a Mac?

73, John N1JM



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From k4zrj at icloud.com  Wed Oct  9 01:06:01 2019
From: k4zrj at icloud.com (Charles Johnson)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 01:06:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Utilities
In-Reply-To: <1570597242409-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1570597242409-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <53FBE5E9-3D04-478E-8B54-196A5E8B3464@icloud.com>

Yes, they have been updated and I have tested each one for 64 bit code.

73, Charles, K4ZRJ



> On Oct 9, 2019, at 01:00, John_N1JM <john_n1jm at outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> Are they 64bit for Catalina on a Mac?
> 
> 73, John N1JM
> 
> 
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Wed Oct  9 01:23:09 2019
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 22:23:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Utilities
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Ah, I see them on the site, dated Sep. 13. It would have been useful to announce those on this list.

https://elecraft.com/pages/firmware-software

One small error on the links, the PX3 utility for Mac is labeled KX3. The download link gets the right thing.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Oct 8, 2019, at 10:06 PM, Charles Johnson via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Yes, they have been updated and I have tested each one for 64 bit code.
> 
> 73, Charles, K4ZRJ
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 9, 2019, at 01:00, John_N1JM <john_n1jm at outlook.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Are they 64bit for Catalina on a Mac?
>> 
>> 73, John N1JM
>> 
>> 
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Wed Oct  9 03:03:49 2019
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 10:03:49 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Blasphemy maybe but looking for an honest assessment
 of the K2 vs. Icom 7300 ...
In-Reply-To: <e7934c9c-b6e3-2fa1-b1fc-9e4aa9571147@embarqmail.com>
References: <D9C29FDB.4968B%randyh@greywolfstudios.com>
	<e7934c9c-b6e3-2fa1-b1fc-9e4aa9571147@embarqmail.com>
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I don't know, Don. If he installs the KPA100 the lack of temperature 
stability will be a serious issue, at least for digital modes. My 
experience was that before installing the temperature compensation mod, 
the drift was unacceptable even on CW. This was not a problem before the 
additional heat generated by the KPA100.
I think what he should do is get a newer rig (I won't speculate as to 
what's best) for his home-based digital operations.
Then he can either keep his QRP K2 for portable fun, use it as a backup 
rig as I have done, or even sell it (as I would NEVER do!)

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 09/10/2019 7:32, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Randy,
>
> Faced with that kind of decision (mainly dollar comparison), why fully 
> upgrade the K2 with the A/B mods -- just update the firmware to get 
> the added functions.? From your question, I surmise you are not 
> necessarily 'in love' with your K2 as some of the original builders 
> would be having tremendous pride in the fact that they built it 
> themselves.? I for one have my Field Test K2 SN 0020 which has been 
> fully upgraded, but I will not part with it - that is for my heirs to 
> decide.
>
> Yes, you will not have the temperature stability of a new K2, and you 
> will not have some of the other K2 hardware improvements. But it will 
> still work fine for less money than a full upgrade.? I am assuming you 
> will be using it in a temperature stable environment.
> Any K2 can work great - the most important for receive performance is 
> the IF filter alignment, so do that carefully with an audio spectrum 
> analyzer running on your computer.? If you are planning digital modes, 
> turn on the RTTY filter set and align those filters to optimize your 
> digital filters while not disturbing your SSB settings, especially 
> compression settings.
>
> I am certain the Icom 7300 will have more modern features, but in 
> receive performance even the oldest K2 can stand on its own.? I have 
> not compared the K2 with a 7300, but you can check the Sherwood 
> ratings to see the relative ranking.
>
> Oh yes, if it is a QRP K2, and you want 100 watt capability, you will 
> need the KPA100 and KAT100 as well.? There are parts in the KPA100 kit 
> to upgrade the 10/12 meter bandpass filter and the VFO ALC.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 10/8/2019 11:19 PM, Randy Heise wrote:
>> So, background! I have just returned to the air after an 18 year hiatus
>> other than keeping my license up to date. What lured me back was 
>> retirement
>> and FT-8. For the past several days I have been operating with my 
>> Rev. A K2
>> (all options) built in 2001, a SignaLink USB interface, WSJT-X, 
>> MacLoggerDX
>> and JT-Bridge. Because I am "antenna challenged? due to the HOA it has
>> become obvious that except in perfect conditions I could use a little 
>> more
>> horsepower. I?m faced with a $1,170 bill to do the Rev. A/B mods, 
>> build the
>> Kat-100 and KPA-100 ? or ? $1,215 for an Icom 7300 and an LDG IT100 
>> external
>> tuner. I?d really appreciate thoughts from anyone who is 
>> knowledgeable on
>> both rigs. The Icom gives me a waterfall display and 6 meters ? 
>> WSJT-X gives
>> my K2 a waterfall display. It?s a toss up in price but I can?t help
>> wondering about the 20 year difference in technology.
>>
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From gordon.lapoint at gmail.com  Wed Oct  9 05:13:58 2019
From: gordon.lapoint at gmail.com (Gordon LaPoint)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 05:13:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Blasphemy maybe but looking for an honest assessment
 of the K2 vs. Icom 7300 ...
In-Reply-To: <D9C29FDB.4968B%randyh@greywolfstudios.com>
References: <D9C29FDB.4968B%randyh@greywolfstudios.com>
Message-ID: <832f7f39-c242-7a53-bcbd-45ecafe0d244@gmail.com>

I have a K2 and? a K3 along with a Kenwood TS-590sg.?? I have used the 
IC-7300.
If I was in your position I would buy the TS-590sg and RSP1 for the band 
scope.? I think the 590 is a better radio than the 7300, for about the 
same $.
I love the K2, but the 590 (or 7300) is a better radio for general 
Digitial mode use, and either will give you a band scope.? The 590/RSP1 
combination will give you a band scope on the computer that you can use 
to click on and move the tuning, everything on one screen with a 
keyboard and mouse!

There are many Utube videos on the 590/rsp1 bandscope combination.
Gordon - N1MGO


On 10/8/2019 23:19 PM, Randy Heise wrote:
> So, background! I have just returned to the air after an 18 year hiatus
> other than keeping my license up to date. What lured me back was retirement
> and FT-8. For the past several days I have been operating with my Rev. A K2
> (all options) built in 2001, a SignaLink USB interface, WSJT-X, MacLoggerDX
> and JT-Bridge. Because I am "antenna challenged? due to the HOA it has
> become obvious that except in perfect conditions I could use a little more
> horsepower. I?m faced with a $1,170 bill to do the Rev. A/B mods, build the
> Kat-100 and KPA-100 ? or ? $1,215 for an Icom 7300 and an LDG IT100 external
> tuner. I?d really appreciate thoughts from anyone who is knowledgeable on
> both rigs. The Icom gives me a waterfall display and 6 meters ? WSJT-X gives
> my K2 a waterfall display. It?s a toss up in price but I can?t help
> wondering about the 20 year difference in technology.
>
> Thanks, Randy - NB7E
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From pe1hzg at xs4all.nl  Wed Oct  9 05:28:22 2019
From: pe1hzg at xs4all.nl (Geert Jan de Groot)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 11:28:22 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and VHF/UHF add-ons
Message-ID: <366dd4fb-507b-c7b1-7770-af0343791fbb@xs4all.nl>

[Note - slight twist on the subject line]

As to using the K3 for VHF/UHF work, I recently tried to configure a K3 
with just the UHF band on it - all of the HF bands mapped out because 
the unit doesn't have a HF antenna connected and it would avoid operator 
mistakes.
So, just one of the TRN bands configured and only having that band in 
the band map, all the regular HF bands disabled using CONFIG:BND MAP

This, however, triggers a firmware bug on the K3 with latest firmware 
(5.67): the BAND switch will switch to either 80m or 10m, depending on 
whether I press the DOWN or UP button. And that is with the 80m and 10m 
band disabled.

This has been called in though channels and it's not the end of the 
world but there doesn't seem to have been a release, not even beta, 
since January. I hope Elecraft will find the cycles to make what seems 
to be a trivial fix.

BTW, I did find it beneficial to configure the K3 to display 89 MHz 
instead of 10489 MHz. This way, the frequency digits don't jump around 
when you switch from COARSE to FINE.

73,
Geert Jan

From jasimmons at pinewooddata.com  Wed Oct  9 07:53:59 2019
From: jasimmons at pinewooddata.com (John Simmons)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 06:53:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Blasphemy maybe but looking for an honest assessment
 of the K2 vs. Icom 7300 ...
In-Reply-To: <D9C2A912.4969C%randyh@greywolfstudios.com>
References: <D9C2A912.4969C%randyh@greywolfstudios.com>
Message-ID: <35e66f5d-72a3-e6f4-c86a-208e943906db@pinewooddata.com>

Randy,

You pose an interesting question. The 7300 has been *extremely* popular 
for the amount of features it delivers for the price. If you go that 
route you can sell the Signalink. However I'm not sure you would see 
much difference in receiver performance.

Another thought is a used K3 with a built-in tuner. There are a lot of 
them on the market now that the K4 is almost being delivered.

If FT8 is your only interest I'd suggest the 7300.

-de John NI0K

Randy Heise wrote on 10/8/2019 10:58 PM:
> So, background! I have just returned to the air after an 18 year hiatus
> other than keeping my license up to date. What lured me back was retirement
> and FT-8. For the past several days I have been operating with my Rev. A K2
> (all options) built in 2001, a SignaLink USB interface, WSJT-X, MacLoggerDX
> and JT-Bridge. Because I am "antenna challenged? due to the HOA it has
> become obvious that except in perfect conditions I could use a little more
> horsepower. I?m faced with a $1,170 bill to do the Rev. A/B mods, build the
> Kat-100 and KPA-100 ? or ? $1,215 for an Icom 7300 and an LDG IT100 external
> tuner. I?d really appreciate thoughts from anyone who is knowledgeable on
> both rigs. The Icom gives me a waterfall display and 6 meters ? WSJT-X gives
> my K2 a waterfall display. It?s a toss up in price but I can?t help
> wondering about the 20 year difference in technology.
>
> Thanks, Randy - NB7E
>
>
>
>
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Wed Oct  9 09:13:00 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 08:13:00 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Text Decoding
In-Reply-To: <CADkB6UqnGc4WQzKd6KsKqYPHJqidSPNWuVoS=YB3XWM-_m0AgA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55C0BE7D-CBB8-4DB3-A484-CBD0CF5FF136@gmail.com>
	<em08058e0a-2fa1-4678-9a59-e9cbd3dccef1@office-desktop-i>
	<1570562233406-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <30e6df02-33d5-78e4-ee1c-672734125691@blomand.net>

Scott:

The TEXT DEC level {Text Decode} is set too sensitive and/or the RF Gain 
is too high.?? I use #3 for the TEXT DEC sensitivity on most bands, 
depending on noise.?? And the RF Gain is reduced such that the CWT bar 
only flashes on a clean signal.? Getting * and E's is an indication the 
sensitivity is too high and/or the RF Gain is too high.?? Also correct 
tuning is necessary.? With CWT active you should see the flashing bar in 
the center.? If to the left or right the tuning is not correct based on 
the sidetone pitch you have selected.?? I get tuning close and then use 
the SPOT function to correctly zero beat the signal.?? This is when CWT 
is ON.

Copying DK9PY on 14.039 with 100% correct print this morning. He is 
sending by keyboard which makes for good copy.? Many hand sent CW 
signals are lacking in rhythm, timing and? spacing for 100% correct 
copy.?? However, you should be able to copy some portion of the messages.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 10/8/2019 6:26 PM, Tox wrote:
> I still have not found the magic to get my kx3 to reliably yield
> anything but a stream of E and *. :(
>
> Scott
> AD6YT
>
> On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 12:17 PM Ignacy <no9e at arrl.net> wrote:
>> I feel that KX3 has a much better CW decoder than K3.
>> Ignacy, NO9E
>>
>>
>>
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From tim.n9puz at gmail.com  Wed Oct  9 10:54:33 2019
From: tim.n9puz at gmail.com (Tim N9PUZ)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 09:54:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Blasphemy maybe but looking for an honest assessment
 of the K2 vs. Icom 7300 ...
In-Reply-To: <D9C29FDB.4968B%randyh@greywolfstudios.com>
References: <D9C29FDB.4968B%randyh@greywolfstudios.com>
Message-ID: <CAPDwUVyfnEDeFk17D7AurTu3j8Q+59bog5x=-x0ypxAAX0FA5w@mail.gmail.com>

I have not paid a lot of attention to recent asking prices but you might
also consider shopping around for a used Elecraft K3.

Tim

On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 10:21 PM Randy Heise <randyh at greywolfstudios.com>
wrote:

> So, background! I have just returned to the air after an 18 year hiatus
> other than keeping my license up to date. What lured me back was retirement
> and FT-8. For the past several days I have been operating with my Rev. A K2
> (all options) built in 2001, a SignaLink USB interface, WSJT-X, MacLoggerDX
> and JT-Bridge. Because I am "antenna challenged? due to the HOA it has
> become obvious that except in perfect conditions I could use a little more
> horsepower. I?m faced with a $1,170 bill to do the Rev. A/B mods, build the
> Kat-100 and KPA-100 ? or ? $1,215 for an Icom 7300 and an LDG IT100
> external
> tuner. I?d really appreciate thoughts from anyone who is knowledgeable on
> both rigs. The Icom gives me a waterfall display and 6 meters ? WSJT-X
> gives
> my K2 a waterfall display. It?s a toss up in price but I can?t help
> wondering about the 20 year difference in technology.
>
> Thanks, Randy - NB7E
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From kevin at ve3syb.ca  Wed Oct  9 11:50:36 2019
From: kevin at ve3syb.ca (Kevin Cozens)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 11:50:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Blasphemy maybe but looking for an honest assessment
 of the K2 vs. Icom 7300 ...
In-Reply-To: <94673fdb-2c46-3b81-e299-d43a326d0ca1@gmail.com>
References: <D9C29FDB.4968B%randyh@greywolfstudios.com>
	<e7934c9c-b6e3-2fa1-b1fc-9e4aa9571147@embarqmail.com>
	<94673fdb-2c46-3b81-e299-d43a326d0ca1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dce7cfcc-3883-f858-f673-81e807819591@ve3syb.ca>

On 2019-10-09 3:03 a.m., Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote:
> I don't know, Don. If he installs the KPA100 the lack of temperature 
> stability will be a serious issue, at least for digital modes. My experience 
> was that before installing the temperature compensation mod, the drift was 
> unacceptable even on CW. This was not a problem before the additional heat 
> generated by the KPA100.

If Randy would like to keep the K2 the Temperature Compensated PLL Reference 
Upgrade Kit (item #E850138 for $24.95) is still listed on the order form for 
K2 Revision A to B Upgrade page.

The information for that mod also suggests installation of the BFO mod kit 
(item BFOMDKT for $10.95) and a firmware update if the K2 has a firmware 
version less than v2.0.

Those are relatively inexpensive upgrades and worth doing to improve the K2 
if Randy doesn't want to go the full A/B upgrade path right away. I don't 
know which would be a better investment between the K2 and the 7300 as I 
know nothing about the 7300. One other thought to consider is the difference 
between having a radio you can fix yourself vs. one where you have to send 
it away to get fixed should something break.

-- 
Cheers!

Kevin.

http://www.ve3syb.ca/               | "Nerds make the shiny things that
https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and
                                     | that's why we're powerful"
Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172          |
#include <disclaimer/favourite>     |             --Chris Hardwick

From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Wed Oct  9 12:10:18 2019
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 11:10:18 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Blasphemy maybe but looking for an honest assessment
	of the K2 vs. Icom 7300 ...
In-Reply-To: <D9C2A912.4969C%randyh@greywolfstudios.com>
References: <D9C2A912.4969C%randyh@greywolfstudios.com>
Message-ID: <0ce801d57ebc$0be31300$23a93900$@LNAINC.com>

Randy -

My situation is not dissimilar to yours, as I was licensed in the '60s,
inactive for an extended period, and became fully active again just a couple
years ago.  At that time, the IC-7300 seemed like the ideal rig for me, and
I have not been disappointed.  In fact, I now own two of them.  Interfacing
with a PC is as seamless as you can get, and requires only a proper USB
cable and installation of the correct driver for it.  I operate in all
digital modes as well as conventional analog modes.  The 7300's menu system
allows fine tuning of all the relevant options, and the settings can be
saved to an SD card for immediate retrieval ... which makes mode changing
very fast.

I was also "HOA challenged" until I was elected to the HOA board and managed
to get the rules changed.  I operated for nearly two years on a modified
G5RV Jr in an inverted V configuration in the attic.  I used the Icom AH-4
tuner connected to the 450 ohm feedline in the attic and the results were
nothing short of fantastic, considering all the handicaps.  I literally had
no problem matching any frequency from 160 thru 6 meters (a subsequent MARS
modification to the 7300 also gave me very narrow 630m coverage).

If you are planning any kind of balanced or unbalanced wire antenna, as long
as it is at least 24 feet long, I would highly recommend the same.  While I
have no firsthand experience with LDG tuners, I have spoken with several
users who have had bad experiences with the IT-100.

I also used my AH-4 with a 360 foot EDZ for a period of months with even
better results, but changed to the KAT500 this Summer in order to
accommodate more power (KPA500).  While the KAT500 is great for what it
does, I really miss the performance the AH-4 offered at low power.

Incidentally, the KPA/KAT500 combination also works seamlessly with the
7300.  It's the best of both worlds, and kudos to the Elecraft engineers for
making a fine product that "plays well" with non-Elecraft products.

73
Lyn, W?LEN


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Randy Heise
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 10:59 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Blasphemy maybe but looking for an honest assessment of
the K2 vs. Icom 7300 ...

So, background! I have just returned to the air after an 18 year hiatus
other than keeping my license up to date. What lured me back was retirement
and FT-8. For the past several days I have been operating with my Rev. A K2
(all options) built in 2001, a SignaLink USB interface, WSJT-X, MacLoggerDX
and JT-Bridge. Because I am "antenna challenged? due to the HOA it has
become obvious that except in perfect conditions I could use a little more
horsepower. I?m faced with a $1,170 bill to do the Rev. A/B mods, build the
Kat-100 and KPA-100 ?or ?$1,215 for an Icom 7300 and an LDG IT100 external
tuner. I?d really appreciate thoughts from anyone who is knowledgeable on
both rigs. The Icom gives me a waterfall display and 6 meters ?WSJT-X gives
my K2 a waterfall display. It?s a toss up in price but I can?t help
wondering about the 20 year difference in technology.

Thanks, Randy - NB7E




From ko5v at earthlink.net  Wed Oct  9 12:17:31 2019
From: ko5v at earthlink.net (Jim KO5V)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 10:17:31 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] Blasphemy maybe but looking for an honest assessment
 of the K2 vs. Icom 7300 ...
Message-ID: <1334772197.2744.1570637851569@wamui-cheeto.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Randy,

I have just added a Clifton Labs Z100000 buffer amp to tap the IF on the K2. I intend to feed to an RSP1 so I can have a panandapter. This buffer amp is something that I've had for years. Jack Clifford passed away several years ago, so I believe it is now available through DX engineering. So, you could have a band scope, but you wouldn't be able to QSY by touching the signal on the screen, like the 7300 (and other new radios) can. 

If you could live with 50W, the Tokyo Hi-Power HL45B (or HL-50B), and the Hardrock 50 amps come up for sale used on QRZ.com quite often, sometimes in the $250-$400 range. One of those, and a used LDG antenna tuner for ~$125.00 might be a cheaper way to use the K2. However, a 7300 would certainly be an easier, turn-key solution.

I love my K2/100, and it gives me a lot of pleasure operating it, and knowing that I built it.

BTW, I have a spare, unused E850138 "Temp Compensated PLL Reference Upgrade" kit. If you decide to upgrade the K2, I'll send it to you for $15.00. 

Good luck. 73, Jim KO5V

From kwroberson at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  9 12:19:09 2019
From: kwroberson at yahoo.com (Ken Roberson)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 16:19:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Blasphemy maybe but looking for an honest assessment
 of the K2 vs. Icom 7300 ...
In-Reply-To: <dce7cfcc-3883-f858-f673-81e807819591@ve3syb.ca>
References: <D9C29FDB.4968B%randyh@greywolfstudios.com>
	<e7934c9c-b6e3-2fa1-b1fc-9e4aa9571147@embarqmail.com>
	<94673fdb-2c46-3b81-e299-d43a326d0ca1@gmail.com>
	<dce7cfcc-3883-f858-f673-81e807819591@ve3syb.ca>
Message-ID: <1682322915.6187452.1570637949602@mail.yahoo.com>

 
Randy,
I have owned lots of radio in my 59 years as a ham and my advisewould be a K3 or K3s.I have two , one for HF and the other I use on 630 M with Homwbrew150 watt power amp.
Photo on my web-site k5dnl dot com 

Thanks 73 Ken K5DNL
    On Wednesday, October 9, 2019, 10:52:18 AM CDT, Kevin Cozens <kevin at ve3syb.ca> wrote:  
 
 On 2019-10-09 3:03 a.m., Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote:
> I don't know, Don. If he installs the KPA100 the lack of temperature 
> stability will be a serious issue, at least for digital modes. My experience 
> was that before installing the temperature compensation mod, the drift was 
> unacceptable even on CW. This was not a problem before the additional heat 
> generated by the KPA100.

If Randy would like to keep the K2 the Temperature Compensated PLL Reference 
Upgrade Kit (item #E850138 for $24.95) is still listed on the order form for 
K2 Revision A to B Upgrade page.

The information for that mod also suggests installation of the BFO mod kit 
(item BFOMDKT for $10.95) and a firmware update if the K2 has a firmware 
version less than v2.0.

Those are relatively inexpensive upgrades and worth doing to improve the K2 
if Randy doesn't want to go the full A/B upgrade path right away. I don't 
know which would be a better investment between the K2 and the 7300 as I 
know nothing about the 7300. One other thought to consider is the difference 
between having a radio you can fix yourself vs. one where you have to send 
it away to get fixed should something break.

-- 
Cheers!

Kevin.

http://www.ve3syb.ca/ ? ? ? ? ? ? ? | "Nerds make the shiny things that
https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? | that's why we're powerful"
Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172? ? ? ? ? |
#include <disclaimer/favourite>? ? |? ? ? ? ? ? --Chris Hardwick
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From scott.small at gmail.com  Wed Oct  9 14:39:51 2019
From: scott.small at gmail.com (Tox)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 11:39:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Text Decoding
In-Reply-To: <30e6df02-33d5-78e4-ee1c-672734125691@blomand.net>
References: <55C0BE7D-CBB8-4DB3-A484-CBD0CF5FF136@gmail.com>
	<em08058e0a-2fa1-4678-9a59-e9cbd3dccef1@office-desktop-i>
	<1570562233406-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<CADkB6UqnGc4WQzKd6KsKqYPHJqidSPNWuVoS=YB3XWM-_m0AgA@mail.gmail.com>
	<30e6df02-33d5-78e4-ee1c-672734125691@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <CADkB6UpRKoRA-gJRYqA=GS5zwgyr3-patjY1J7B-NK3o3bKBWg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Bob! I'll poke at those.

Scott
ad6yt


On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 6:13 AM Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
>
> Scott:
>
> The TEXT DEC level {Text Decode} is set too sensitive and/or the RF Gain
> is too high.   I use #3 for the TEXT DEC sensitivity on most bands,
> depending on noise.   And the RF Gain is reduced such that the CWT bar
> only flashes on a clean signal.  Getting * and E's is an indication the
> sensitivity is too high and/or the RF Gain is too high.   Also correct
> tuning is necessary.  With CWT active you should see the flashing bar in
> the center.  If to the left or right the tuning is not correct based on
> the sidetone pitch you have selected.   I get tuning close and then use
> the SPOT function to correctly zero beat the signal.   This is when CWT
> is ON.
>
> Copying DK9PY on 14.039 with 100% correct print this morning. He is
> sending by keyboard which makes for good copy.  Many hand sent CW
> signals are lacking in rhythm, timing and  spacing for 100% correct
> copy.   However, you should be able to copy some portion of the messages.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
> On 10/8/2019 6:26 PM, Tox wrote:
> > I still have not found the magic to get my kx3 to reliably yield
> > anything but a stream of E and *. :(
> >
> > Scott
> > AD6YT
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 12:17 PM Ignacy <no9e at arrl.net> wrote:
> >> I feel that KX3 has a much better CW decoder than K3.
> >> Ignacy, NO9E
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Wed Oct  9 14:43:58 2019
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2019 10:43:58 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Text Decoding
Message-ID: <201910091844.x99Ii1LU009058@mail46c28.carrierzone.com>

Barry,

I had CW skimmer installed on my old winXP computer but was not 
impressed with CW detection of weak CW (same for the K3).  But I was 
using K3 line-out audio so maybe I will try it with my new i5 64-bit 
machine and feed IF via LP-Pan and UADC4 (brand new A/D converter 
which supplies 96KHz dual IQ for diversity Rx).

The UADC4 is the latest toy for the digital-eme crowd (but should 
find use outside of eme for general digital op).  Its not cheap but 
has totally flat audio bandwidth which is supposed to improve IMD 
performance for urban users.

I am just building my new i5 win-10pro so haven't used it on the air, 
yet.  I will add a webpage  for the UADC4, once operational.

73, Ed - KL7UW

Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW Text Decoding
Message-ID: <em20cef813-a61b-4d8e-9912-a225efc24835 at office-desktop-i>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8

Dave,
      Your last comment is correct. However, CW Skimmer comes into its own
when you feed it IF I&Q data. You can see what is happening across the
band or a portion of it and still read the signal narrow band. You do
this by clicking on the signal you want to pursue and and listen in
narrow band. By clicking on the wanted signal, the radio is tuned to it.
This does require a little set up and setting offsets, but it is really
worth it. A little interesting point: in a little less than rigorous
testing, I found that that Skimmer seems to work a bit better using I&Q
data rather than just the receiver audio. But, that was not a rigorous
test and someone who is really interested can do the follow up.

73,
Barry
K3NDM


73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 


From barrylazar2 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  9 15:53:02 2019
From: barrylazar2 at gmail.com (Barry)
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2019 19:53:02 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Text Decoding
In-Reply-To: <201910091844.x99Ii1LU009058@mail46c28.carrierzone.com>
References: <201910091844.x99Ii1LU009058@mail46c28.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <emfbf067ec-98a2-4e8e-9447-a3f9dc400195@laptop3>

Ed,
     It seems to make little to no difference what operating system you 
use. CW Skimmer will never out perform your ears for weak signals; I 
don't think it was ever designed for weak signals. But, for most every 
other CW signal that is reasonably sent, it does seem to work well. And, 
to me it seems to work better when using I&Q data vice just the audio 
out of the radio. This just may be the sound card I was using at the 
time. I just haven't done the in depth testing; I do admit it would some 
interesting testing.

     I'm presently using LP-Pan and a Steinberg UR22 running at 196KHz 
sampling rate with my receiver usually set to around 250-300 Hz while 
contesting. I do suspect that the A/D will make a difference and my 
external sound card should be superior to my internal one. What I do 
know is that Skimmer uses a statistical approach vice just sampling, and 
in a contest when I'm tired, it does better than I do. Do keep us up 
with whatever you find.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

------ Original Message ------
From: "Edward R Cole" <kl7uw at acsalaska.net>
To: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: 10/9/2019 2:43:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW Text Decoding

>Barry,
>
>I had CW skimmer installed on my old winXP computer but was not impressed with CW detection of weak CW (same for the K3).  But I was using K3 line-out audio so maybe I will try it with my new i5 64-bit machine and feed IF via LP-Pan and UADC4 (brand new A/D converter which supplies 96KHz dual IQ for diversity Rx).
>
>The UADC4 is the latest toy for the digital-eme crowd (but should find use outside of eme for general digital op).  Its not cheap but has totally flat audio bandwidth which is supposed to improve IMD performance for urban users.
>
>I am just building my new i5 win-10pro so haven't used it on the air, yet.  I will add a webpage  for the UADC4, once operational.
>
>73, Ed - KL7UW
>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW Text Decoding
>Message-ID: <em20cef813-a61b-4d8e-9912-a225efc24835 at office-desktop-i>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8
>
>Dave,
>      Your last comment is correct. However, CW Skimmer comes into its own
>when you feed it IF I&Q data. You can see what is happening across the
>band or a portion of it and still read the signal narrow band. You do
>this by clicking on the signal you want to pursue and and listen in
>narrow band. By clicking on the wanted signal, the radio is tuned to it.
>This does require a little set up and setting offsets, but it is really
>worth it. A little interesting point: in a little less than rigorous
>testing, I found that that Skimmer seems to work a bit better using I&Q
>data rather than just the receiver audio. But, that was not a rigorous
>test and someone who is really interested can do the follow up.
>
>73,
>Barry
>K3NDM
>
>
>73, Ed - KL7UW
>http://www.kl7uw.com
>Dubus-NA Business mail:
>dubususa at gmail.com
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From wc2l at wc2l.com  Wed Oct  9 18:39:39 2019
From: wc2l at wc2l.com (William Liporace)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 18:39:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA3A Firmware??
Message-ID: <565eba64-571b-7bb8-ee70-ec65cebdf47d@wc2l.com>

Hi Folks,
I just got my K3S back from Elecraft (warranty repair). I noticed a 
firmware update was applied to the KPA3A in the radio. Is there a way to 
do the same for the other radio?? I don't see it in the K3 Utility.

TNX Will WC2L

-- 
William Liporace WC2L
http://www.wc2l.com or http://dxc.wc2l.com
AR-Cluster Node  telnet dxc.wc2l.com or 144.93 MHz
wc2l at wc2l.com


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Oct  9 19:52:38 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 19:52:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA3A Firmware??
In-Reply-To: <565eba64-571b-7bb8-ee70-ec65cebdf47d@wc2l.com>
References: <565eba64-571b-7bb8-ee70-ec65cebdf47d@wc2l.com>
Message-ID: <18806db0-1d01-fbea-381c-a367c9f00e44@embarqmail.com>

Will,

The KPA3A firmware should be a part of the K3S firmware upgrade.  There 
is no separate KPA3A firmware.  Just do the K3 firmware upgrade for the 
other K3S.
I suspect your confusion is a result of the way wording in the report 
was written.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/9/2019 6:39 PM, William Liporace wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> I just got my K3S back from Elecraft (warranty repair). I noticed a 
> firmware update was applied to the KPA3A in the radio. Is there a way to 
> do the same for the other radio?? I don't see it in the K3 Utility.
> 
> TNX Will WC2L
> 

From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Wed Oct  9 20:40:06 2019
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 19:40:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Letting go of one of my K3 radios
Message-ID: <98901AC8-0891-4FB9-A20C-534926003DBF@gmail.com>

Thinning out a little bit.

K3/10 with 2.8kHz filter, excellent condition.

With manual and power cord.

Extra box with a 1.8kHz and 400Hz filters (non-Elecraft) not installed for you to install.

Works perfect

$975 shipped


-73-  Frank    KG9H
kg9hfrank at gmail.com





From dk5ya at dk5ya.de  Thu Oct 10 05:49:36 2019
From: dk5ya at dk5ya.de (Udo Langenohl - DK5YA)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 11:49:36 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K$ delivery Europe
Message-ID: <c2ab9c44-151e-07e0-398c-353d42fe8049@dk5ya.de>

In a video with Eric taped end of September at Waters&Stanton UK I've 
learned that the K4 won't be delivered earlier than end of March or 
beginning of April 2020 in Europe. Since I've ordered my K4D with full 
deposit at the end of May directly at Elecraft US I've asked the sales 
department at Elecraft twice if this will affect my order in any way. I 
was still hoping for late November or early December.
Unfortunately I didn't get no answer at all and this is way I'm asking 
the group. Any idea?

73 Udo, DK5YA

P.S.: The video "ELECRAFT K4 IN DEPTH with WA6HHQ at Waters & Stanton 
Ltd Portsmouth UK" here, it's worth to watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-PHL68WIdg&fbclid=IwAR3iW5Pk8USnEQGmZfz2s0nVGPOgFuNhrdH-6antlFTgMCAAI7MdPW349FQ




From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Oct 10 06:27:45 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 06:27:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K$ delivery Europe
In-Reply-To: <c2ab9c44-151e-07e0-398c-353d42fe8049@dk5ya.de>
References: <c2ab9c44-151e-07e0-398c-353d42fe8049@dk5ya.de>
Message-ID: <7272D19B-D234-4C68-BC66-51A0CB307E17@widomaker.com>

I believe the early Nov/Dec delivery dates are optimistic. At best, a photo of Madeline carrying a boxed K4 out the door on New Years Eve would be a welcome sight.  
I have a K4D fully deposited as well, and I?m going to be thrilled/surprised if they start shipping in Dec, happy for January and relegated to March/April.  Especially for Kits and overseas shipments. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Oct 10, 2019, at 5:51 AM, Udo Langenohl - DK5YA <dk5ya at dk5ya.de> wrote:
> 
> ?In a video with Eric taped end of September at Waters&Stanton UK I've learned that the K4 won't be delivered earlier than end of March or beginning of April 2020 in Europe. Since I've ordered my K4D with full deposit at the end of May directly at Elecraft US I've asked the sales department at Elecraft twice if this will affect my order in any way. I was still hoping for late November or early December.
> Unfortunately I didn't get no answer at all and this is way I'm asking the group. Any idea?
> 
> 73 Udo, DK5YA
> 
> P.S.: The video "ELECRAFT K4 IN DEPTH with WA6HHQ at Waters & Stanton Ltd Portsmouth UK" here, it's worth to watch:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-PHL68WIdg&fbclid=IwAR3iW5Pk8USnEQGmZfz2s0nVGPOgFuNhrdH-6antlFTgMCAAI7MdPW349FQ
> 
> 
> 
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From k4to.dave at gmail.com  Thu Oct 10 07:14:39 2019
From: k4to.dave at gmail.com (Dave Sublette)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 07:14:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 with K3s
Message-ID: <CAKynJKmbAFt_mvFBzJho45GMmGr6xvbhB-=V=kLi-3QrpQe4jw@mail.gmail.com>

Good morning,

I am building the KPA500.  I have the K3s.  Can anyone explain, in simple
terms, what advantage there is in using the KPAK3AUX cable instead of just
using the Key Line cable?

Thanks,

Dave, K4TO

From dick at elecraft.com  Thu Oct 10 07:30:58 2019
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 04:30:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 with K3s
In-Reply-To: <CAKynJKmbAFt_mvFBzJho45GMmGr6xvbhB-=V=kLi-3QrpQe4jw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKynJKmbAFt_mvFBzJho45GMmGr6xvbhB-=V=kLi-3QrpQe4jw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000e01d57f5e$30561960$91024c20$@elecraft.com>


See pages 15, 16, and 27 of the KPA500 Owner's manual for a description of
what the 15-pin ACC cable can do for you.

It amounts to band information both ways so the amp can switch bands from
the K3's band information before you provide RF, the KPA500 front panel band
buttons can bandswitch the K3, and K3 drive power can be set to two
different levels based on the amp's OPER/STBY switch. My K3 provides 30
watts when the amp is in OPER, and 100 watts when the amp is in STBY.

73 de Dick, K6KR



-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Dave Sublette
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 04:15
To: Elecraft Discussion List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 with K3s

Good morning,

I am building the KPA500.  I have the K3s.  Can anyone explain, in simple
terms, what advantage there is in using the KPAK3AUX cable instead of just
using the Key Line cable?

Thanks,

Dave, K4TO
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From ac5p at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct 10 07:48:59 2019
From: ac5p at sbcglobal.net (Mike Maloney)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 11:48:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 with K3s
In-Reply-To: <000e01d57f5e$30561960$91024c20$@elecraft.com>
References: <CAKynJKmbAFt_mvFBzJho45GMmGr6xvbhB-=V=kLi-3QrpQe4jw@mail.gmail.com>
	<000e01d57f5e$30561960$91024c20$@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <230006309.4107607.1570708139790@mail.yahoo.com>

 What is LENGTH of this cable? ?
Mike AC5P
    On Thursday, October 10, 2019, 06:31:59 AM CDT, Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com> wrote:  
 
 
See pages 15, 16, and 27 of the KPA500 Owner's manual for a description of
what the 15-pin ACC cable can do for you.

It amounts to band information both ways so the amp can switch bands from
the K3's band information before you provide RF, the KPA500 front panel band
buttons can bandswitch the K3, and K3 drive power can be set to two
different levels based on the amp's OPER/STBY switch. My K3 provides 30
watts when the amp is in OPER, and 100 watts when the amp is in STBY.

73 de Dick, K6KR



-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Dave Sublette
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 04:15
To: Elecraft Discussion List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 with K3s

Good morning,

I am building the KPA500.? I have the K3s.? Can anyone explain, in simple
terms, what advantage there is in using the KPAK3AUX cable instead of just
using the Key Line cable?

Thanks,

Dave, K4TO
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From K8UT at charter.net  Thu Oct 10 08:09:51 2019
From: K8UT at charter.net (Larry (K8UT))
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 12:09:51 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 with K3s
In-Reply-To: <000e01d57f5e$30561960$91024c20$@elecraft.com>
References: <CAKynJKmbAFt_mvFBzJho45GMmGr6xvbhB-=V=kLi-3QrpQe4jw@mail.gmail.com>
	<000e01d57f5e$30561960$91024c20$@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <em5b6eab62-d0f0-4c64-8b8f-5f81a05e1f04@k8ut-pc>

Expanding on the "two different levels based on the amps OPER/STBY 
switch" described by Dick, the cable enables those two levels per band.

For example, you can adjust the Operate level on 30 meters for a full 
200 legal watts; 300 watts on 10, 15 and 30 into your TA33 Junior 
tri-bander; and the amp's full output into your dipoles.

-larry (K8UT)

------ Original Message ------
From: "Dick Dievendorff" <dick at elecraft.com>
To: k4to at arrl.net; "'Elecraft Discussion List'" 
<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: 2019-10-10 07:30:58
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 with K3s

>
>See pages 15, 16, and 27 of the KPA500 Owner's manual for a description of
>what the 15-pin ACC cable can do for you.
>
>It amounts to band information both ways so the amp can switch bands from
>the K3's band information before you provide RF, the KPA500 front panel band
>buttons can bandswitch the K3, and K3 drive power can be set to two
>different levels based on the amp's OPER/STBY switch. My K3 provides 30
>watts when the amp is in OPER, and 100 watts when the amp is in STBY.
>
>73 de Dick, K6KR
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
>Behalf Of Dave Sublette
>Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 04:15
>To: Elecraft Discussion List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 with K3s
>
>Good morning,
>
>I am building the KPA500.  I have the K3s.  Can anyone explain, in simple
>terms, what advantage there is in using the KPAK3AUX cable instead of just
>using the Key Line cable?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dave, K4TO
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From k4to.dave at gmail.com  Thu Oct 10 08:57:14 2019
From: k4to.dave at gmail.com (Dave Sublette)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 08:57:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 with K3s
Message-ID: <CAKynJKnRBu0r1jQrW3NLWuxTVVhE-yaW5gBvpZjzpwaW8PHCJw@mail.gmail.com>

Good morning again,

Many thanks for all of the comments.  I now have a better idea of how this
cable works with the K3s.  FWIW, I did read the manual and my problem was
figuring out how to use all of this great capability.  Your information
helps a lot.

I will order the cable today.

73,

Dave, K4TO

From scott.small at gmail.com  Thu Oct 10 10:21:02 2019
From: scott.small at gmail.com (Tox)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 07:21:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K$ delivery Europe
In-Reply-To: <c2ab9c44-151e-07e0-398c-353d42fe8049@dk5ya.de>
References: <c2ab9c44-151e-07e0-398c-353d42fe8049@dk5ya.de>
Message-ID: <CADkB6Up8mGuLv+H5NckBZXHD-iW43pzhwOtANT7xfS3PQWf+vQ@mail.gmail.com>

My understanding is that this is due to CE certification being a process
they can?t start until first wave units have already started to ship
because of the sampling requirements. I have no clue if they would also
have to do anything additional with the TUV before shipping to .de

I doubt that there?s anything prohibiting them from handing an early
shipping unit over in Watsonville ahead of CE certification should you
happen to take a vacation to do pickup and self import :)

Good luck in any case - I am eagerly waiting for a unit myself.

Scott
AD6YT

On Thursday, October 10, 2019, Udo Langenohl - DK5YA <dk5ya at dk5ya.de> wrote:

> In a video with Eric taped end of September at Waters&Stanton UK I've
> learned that the K4 won't be delivered earlier than end of March or
> beginning of April 2020 in Europe. Since I've ordered my K4D with full
> deposit at the end of May directly at Elecraft US I've asked the sales
> department at Elecraft twice if this will affect my order in any way. I was
> still hoping for late November or early December.
> Unfortunately I didn't get no answer at all and this is way I'm asking the
> group. Any idea?
>
> 73 Udo, DK5YA
>
> P.S.: The video "ELECRAFT K4 IN DEPTH with WA6HHQ at Waters & Stanton Ltd
> Portsmouth UK" here, it's worth to watch:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-PHL68WIdg&fbclid=IwAR3iW5P
> k8USnEQGmZfz2s0nVGPOgFuNhrdH-6antlFTgMCAAI7MdPW349FQ
>
>
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From clark.macaulay at gmail.com  Thu Oct 10 11:27:04 2019
From: clark.macaulay at gmail.com (engineercm)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 08:27:04 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] DXE Clifton Labs Z10000 Buffer Amp
In-Reply-To: <4702f9c3-150f-0c4a-342c-c5356e1984d1@embarqmail.com>
References: <CA+KWkDiO7DtGZ8wxkuQ=u5aPfhZNe1ugOre0eQ8BAM5OXbwLLw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4702f9c3-150f-0c4a-342c-c5356e1984d1@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <1570721224224-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

When I ordered the unit for the K2, I was expecting all the parts needed to
install the amp.  I was mistaken.  The only documentation provided are
legacy documents showing how to connect to the pins underneath the NB board
using a 3 pin socket/pins, which is very clean, but the DXE kit did not not
supply them (no big deal as I have these in my junk box).  

The bigger (and for me, I fear) insurmountable task is for the input cable
that was provided.  It is a jumper cable with two mini-SMA connectors (I
think) on it, but since the K2 doesn't have any such connector, one end must
be cut off and a pig-tail created.  I do not know what size coax cable is
used, but it is FAR SMALLER than RG-174 which is about the smallest my aging
hands can work with.  The board is very neatly constructed with SMT
components but no place I can see to tap off using RG-174 in place of the
supplied cable.  

So....I would appreciate suggestions from anyone who has installed the DXE
version in their K2 and how they connected the K2 to the input to the board.  

Clark, WU4B



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From ko5v at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 10 11:37:42 2019
From: ko5v at earthlink.net (Jim KO5V)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 09:37:42 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] DXE Clifton Labs Z10000 Buffer Amp
Message-ID: <1180460224.3963.1570721863211@wamui-fatboy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Clark,

I have the original Clifton Labs instructions for building and installing the amp into a K2.

Your amp already built, so all you need are the installation instructions, right? I can scan them, and send them to you as a .pdf. 

Let me know.

73, Jim KO5V

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Thu Oct 10 11:57:19 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 08:57:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 with K3s
In-Reply-To: <CAKynJKnRBu0r1jQrW3NLWuxTVVhE-yaW5gBvpZjzpwaW8PHCJw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKynJKnRBu0r1jQrW3NLWuxTVVhE-yaW5gBvpZjzpwaW8PHCJw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18a12be1-b732-3b7f-5cd1-440a7a5ac683@triconet.org>

In addition to more power out, the second benefit of the KPA500 is the band 
change buttons.

Wes? N7WS

On 10/10/2019 5:57 AM, Dave Sublette wrote:
> Good morning again,
>
> Many thanks for all of the comments.  I now have a better idea of how this
> cable works with the K3s.  FWIW, I did read the manual and my problem was
> figuring out how to use all of this great capability.  Your information
> helps a lot.
>
> I will order the cable today.
>
> 73,
>
> Dave, K4TO


From oldmanshu at icloud.com  Thu Oct 10 12:01:38 2019
From: oldmanshu at icloud.com (Joseph Shuman)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 12:01:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Antenna Curiosity
Message-ID: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>

I have had my KX2 with the ATU for about 10 months and operate on 40m QRP SSB from various locations.  Experimenting with different antennas I have experienced best results with a 58.5? wire tossed about 25? up a tree with a 16.5? counterpoise.  I ran the same length wire from my house to the workshop, grounded the shield side of the cable, and have seen similar results to the field setup.  

Is there some engineering/design factor of the KX2 for this type of antenna setup?  I am planning to setup a Dipole at home, but as a newbie am wondering if the ?ideal? Ham Dipole can be expected to improve performance.

Keeping Watch-
shu

Joe Shuman

From clark.macaulay at gmail.com  Thu Oct 10 12:27:56 2019
From: clark.macaulay at gmail.com (engineercm)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 09:27:56 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] DXE Clifton Labs Z10000 Buffer Amp
In-Reply-To: <1180460224.3963.1570721863211@wamui-fatboy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <CA+KWkDiO7DtGZ8wxkuQ=u5aPfhZNe1ugOre0eQ8BAM5OXbwLLw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1180460224.3963.1570721863211@wamui-fatboy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1570724876838-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi, Jim.  Thanks for the quick reply.  I didn't make my question as clear as
I thought I had.

I have the installation documents (from DXE).  That's where the neat
implementation is shown using the 3-pin connector.

My problem is the very small cable for input that mates with the new board.
I am not able physically to strip and split out a pig tail from such small
cable.  At least I don't think I can.  How small is it?  It looks like the
size of #22 wire.  It would be very easy to nick the braid and I'm not even
sure I could work with an extremely small inner conductor in trying to
solder it.  

If someone has successfully stripped this cable and created the pigtail, I'd
like to know how they did it.  Otherwise I'll sell the DXE kit as it is and
shelve plans for the panadapter for the K2. 

72,

Clark, WU4B



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From turnbull at net1.ie  Thu Oct 10 12:49:28 2019
From: turnbull at net1.ie (turnbull)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 17:49:28 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K$ delivery Europe
In-Reply-To: <CADkB6Up8mGuLv+H5NckBZXHD-iW43pzhwOtANT7xfS3PQWf+vQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5d9f611b.1c69fb81.8defa.6ef7@mx.google.com>

I asked Elecraft on the phone on two separate occassions and was told in the EU we should not expect delivery before April.? ? I am sure you could go to USA and bring one back on a plane; declare to customs and then pay duty and VAT.? ?On an expensive item, I am not sure how complicated this would be.73 Doug EI2CNSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Tox <scott.small at gmail.com> Date: 10/10/2019  15:21  (GMT+00:00) To: Udo Langenohl - DK5YA <dk5ya at dk5ya.de> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K$ delivery Europe My understanding is that this is due to CE certification being a processthey can?t start until first wave units have already started to shipbecause of the sampling requirements. I have no clue if they would alsohave to do anything additional with the TUV before shipping to .deI doubt that there?s anything prohibiting them from handing an earlyshipping unit over in Watsonville ahead of CE certification should youhappen to take a vacation to do pickup and self import :)Good luck in any case - I am eagerly waiting for a unit myself.ScottAD6YTOn Thursday, October 10, 2019, Udo Langenohl - DK5YA <dk5ya at dk5ya.de> wrote:> In a video with Eric taped end of September at Waters&Stanton UK I've> learned that the K4 won't be delivered earlier than end of March or> beginning of April 2020 in Europe. Since I've ordered my K4D with full> deposit at the end of May directly at Elecraft US I've asked the sales> department at Elecraft twice if this will affect my order in any way. I was> still hoping for late November or early December.> Unfortunately I didn't get no answer at all and this is way I'm asking the> group. Any idea?>> 73 Udo, DK5YA>> P.S.: The video "ELECRAFT K4 IN DEPTH with WA6HHQ at Waters & Stanton Ltd> Portsmouth UK" here, it's worth to watch:>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-PHL68WIdg&fbclid=IwAR3iW5P> k8USnEQGmZfz2s0nVGPOgFuNhrdH-6antlFTgMCAAI7MdPW349FQ>>>> ______________________________________________________________> Elecraft mailing list> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> Message delivered to scott.small at gmail.com-- Scott Small______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to turnbull at net1.ie 

From ko5v at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 10 13:02:38 2019
From: ko5v at earthlink.net (Jim KO5V)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 11:02:38 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] DXE Clifton Labs Z10000 Buffer Amp
Message-ID: <1083423237.5947.1570726959146@wamui-fatboy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Clark,

Sorry, I should have read your question a bit more carefully - not enough coffee, I guess.

I used the small RG178 cable that came with the kit. 

I carefully used a one-sided razor blade to cut the outer jacket and dielectric. I stripped the outer jacket back about 1/2", then cut the braid back so about 1/8" was exposed beyond the jacket. I bent a cut resistor lead around the braid, soldered it, and then bent that forward. It wasn't difficult to strip the dielectric to expose the center conductor. I had to be careful, but it really wasn't too hard (but I did use my magnifying glasses!).

For what it's worth, all of the the pictures of the 3-wire pigtail in my instructions show RG174 (and mention that). Maybe you could use the "bigger" cable.

I hope this helps, and actually answers your question.

73, Jim KO5V

From clark.macaulay at gmail.com  Thu Oct 10 14:27:31 2019
From: clark.macaulay at gmail.com (Clark Macaulay)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 14:27:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] DXE Clifton Labs Z10000 Buffer Amp
In-Reply-To: <1083423237.5947.1570726959146@wamui-fatboy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <1083423237.5947.1570726959146@wamui-fatboy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CA+KWkDhXKxJZ+ty0wjRF0ts0jAGVhfyhD8QjXbNP=7UoTjfVrg@mail.gmail.com>

Helps a lot, Jim.

Yes...you answered my question in that you have done it.  So, I'll set
aside a morning where I swear off coffee (steadier hands) and using a new
razor blade give it a try.  Didn't know the cable in the kit is RG178 which
is about 30% smaller than RG174.  I don't see anyplace on the board to tack
on a RG174 cable as the pads for the SMT components are so small.  It's
actually a beautiful board.

For anyone who stumbles on this thread, I'm not being critical of the DXE
kit.  Nor am I inexperienced in building stuff (several QRP radios
including the K2).  Looking at the size of the cable, I'm not at all sure I
can make this happen.  I really do want the buffer amp installed in my K2.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained so say the sages.

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 1:03 PM Jim KO5V <ko5v at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Clark,
>
> Sorry, I should have read your question a bit more carefully - not enough
> coffee, I guess.
>
> I used the small RG178 cable that came with the kit.
>
> I carefully used a one-sided razor blade to cut the outer jacket and
> dielectric. I stripped the outer jacket back about 1/2", then cut the braid
> back so about 1/8" was exposed beyond the jacket. I bent a cut resistor
> lead around the braid, soldered it, and then bent that forward. It wasn't
> difficult to strip the dielectric to expose the center conductor. I had to
> be careful, but it really wasn't too hard (but I did use my magnifying
> glasses!).
>
> For what it's worth, all of the the pictures of the 3-wire pigtail in my
> instructions show RG174 (and mention that). Maybe you could use the
> "bigger" cable.
>
> I hope this helps, and actually answers your question.
>
> 73, Jim KO5V
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-- 
73,

Clark, WU4B
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*"It is vain to do with more what can be done with less."*
*Attributed to *William of Occam (1288 AD - 1348 AD)

From xdavid at cis-broadband.com  Thu Oct 10 14:57:57 2019
From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 11:57:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Antenna Curiosity
In-Reply-To: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>
References: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <d12ddd6d-3b13-3734-394c-3771f9eafb31@cis-broadband.com>


Your field antenna is essentially a very low off-center fed sloped 
dipole slightly longer than a half wavelength.? I'm not surprised you 
can tune it with the KX2, but it certainly isn't any kind of ideal 
antenna configuration that Elecraft would design for.? They just made a 
very well performing tuner for the KX2 that will work with almost 
anything.? I have a KX2 ... it's amazing what it can tune.

You didn't say how long your feedline is, but with a feed that far off 
center the shield of your coax is probably doing some of the radiating 
anyway.

Yes, a center fed normal dipole with the middle (high current portion) 
higher off the ground (say 50 feet for 40m) and a common mode choke at 
the feedpoint would almost assuredly perform better. If you can't get it 
that high, a vertical (even a 30 foot wire oriented mostly straight up) 
fed against a decent radial system might be a better choice if you don't 
have a lot of surrounding buildings/trees/telephone poles.

For the record, I also have on rare occasions used low sloped wires fed 
near one end against some sort of ground or counterpoise when camping or 
for a hurried Field Day setup.? They are easy to set up and sort of 
work, but they always performed very poorly compared to even the most 
basic dipole if I could get the dipole off the ground approaching a half 
wavelength in height.? Over the years I have operated roughly 20 Field 
Day contests (almost always 5 watts CW for the extra QRP points) and one 
year I used only a low sloped wire similar to what you described.? It 
was memorable for being the worst Field Day result I have ever had, and 
that's in spite of the fact that I've placed top 3 nationwide in my 
category on more than one occasion using only wire antennas strung from 
tall trees.

73,
Dave?? AB7E



On 10/10/2019 9:01 AM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
> I have had my KX2 with the ATU for about 10 months and operate on 40m QRP SSB from various locations.  Experimenting with different antennas I have experienced best results with a 58.5? wire tossed about 25? up a tree with a 16.5? counterpoise.  I ran the same length wire from my house to the workshop, grounded the shield side of the cable, and have seen similar results to the field setup.
>
> Is there some engineering/design factor of the KX2 for this type of antenna setup?  I am planning to setup a Dipole at home, but as a newbie am wondering if the ?ideal? Ham Dipole can be expected to improve performance.
>
> Keeping Watch-
> shu
>
> Joe Shuman


From tim.n9puz at gmail.com  Thu Oct 10 14:59:42 2019
From: tim.n9puz at gmail.com (Tim N9PUZ)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 13:59:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Antenna Curiosity
In-Reply-To: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>
References: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CAPDwUVySc4ZyTyBahfZR=ZY+iVJHMDSabYCm=irSLiXXzbHbTg@mail.gmail.com>

If you are talking about a single band dipole then any half wave dipole cut
to the standard formula and fed with good quality coax should work well. If
you want a "multi band" dipole then I would recommend cutting it for the
lowest frequency you plan to operate and feeding it with balanced line.
Even the best coax can have a lot of loss under high SWR conditions
(between your tuner and the antenna feedpoint) whereas even at 1 10:1 SWR
balanced line does not have much loss. The radiation pattern of a multi
band configuration can vary a lot from band to band.

The end fed wire you describe is not specific to the KX2. You typically
want the longest wire possible that is NOT a half wavelength or even
multiple on any band you want to operate. The main reason for this is when
a wire is a half wave or an even multiple the impedance at the end of the
wire can be very high and it is more difficult for most tuners to obtain a
match there. By it NOT being a half wave, the impedance is lower and a wide
range tuner like the one in your KX2 can match it more easily and present
the proper impedance to the radio.

Here is an article that suggests good lengths for a "random wire" antenna.
The lengths aren't really very random, they are specifically chosen to be
easier to match. At 58.5 feet you arrived at one of the good lengths.

<https://udel.edu/~mm/ham/randomWire/>

Tim N9PUZ

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 11:03 AM Joseph Shuman via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> I have had my KX2 with the ATU for about 10 months and operate on 40m QRP
> SSB from various locations.  Experimenting with different antennas I have
> experienced best results with a 58.5? wire tossed about 25? up a tree with
> a 16.5? counterpoise.  I ran the same length wire from my house to the
> workshop, grounded the shield side of the cable, and have seen similar
> results to the field setup.
>
> Is there some engineering/design factor of the KX2 for this type of
> antenna setup?  I am planning to setup a Dipole at home, but as a newbie am
> wondering if the ?ideal? Ham Dipole can be expected to improve performance.
>
> Keeping Watch-
> shu
>
> Joe Shuman
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Oct 10 15:02:01 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 15:02:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] DXE Clifton Labs Z10000 Buffer Amp
In-Reply-To: <CA+KWkDhXKxJZ+ty0wjRF0ts0jAGVhfyhD8QjXbNP=7UoTjfVrg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1083423237.5947.1570726959146@wamui-fatboy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<CA+KWkDhXKxJZ+ty0wjRF0ts0jAGVhfyhD8QjXbNP=7UoTjfVrg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6ddd7bcc-e7c2-e95e-85e1-0ea44c4be50b@embarqmail.com>

Clark and all,

The secret to stripping the outer insulation from ANY coax (including 
the RG178) is to first score the outer insulation a bit (not trying to 
cut all the way to the shield), then bend the cable at the score mark 
which will stretch the insulation a bit - then a light touch with the 
blade will cause the insulation to split all the way down to the shield.
Rotate the cable to the other side and do the 'bend and touch' thing 
again.  You should then be able to slide the insulation off the shield.

Separate the shield strands and split them into two groups - twist the 
strands on one half and cut the rest away.

You can do the same "score, bend and touch" operation to the center 
conductor if you do not have good wire cutters to strip it.  Do not nick 
the conductor, or it will break after it is soldered.

The other thing many hams do not realize is that the braid of the shield 
should NOT be filled with solder (making it stiff).  Solder only  the 
tip as far in as necessary to make the connection.  If soldered stiff, 
it will usually break either where it is soldered to the board or 
connector or at the point where the braid exits the coax.
I have replaced the input coax on many KPA100s and KAT2s that were 
broken because the shield was soldered stiff.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/10/2019 2:27 PM, Clark Macaulay wrote:
> Helps a lot, Jim.
> 
> Yes...you answered my question in that you have done it.  So, I'll set
> aside a morning where I swear off coffee (steadier hands) and using a new
> razor blade give it a try.  Didn't know the cable in the kit is RG178 which
> is about 30% smaller than RG174.  I don't see anyplace on the board to tack
> on a RG174 cable as the pads for the SMT components are so small.  It's
> actually a beautiful board.
> 

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Oct 10 15:22:55 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 15:22:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Antenna Curiosity
In-Reply-To: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>
References: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <3853773a-002f-a9d3-e2e3-697b4e9f0320@embarqmail.com>

Shu,

If you add the 58.5 foot wire to the 16.5' counterpoise, you have a 75 
foot antenna.  That is close to a half wavelength on 40 meters.  You are 
feeding it off-center which will allow it to be used on several bands 
(even though one of the antenna wires is on the ground).
As I recall, Bruce Prior (one of the KX2 Field Testers) recommended 
those lengths for 40 meters thru 10 meters.
If you feed those 2 wires directly from the KX2 tuner using a BNC to 
binding post adapter, you do not have to worry about feedline loss - 
there is no feedline!
If you do use a feedline, I suggest ladder line rather than coax because 
it will not have as much loss in the feedline due to an impedance mismatch.

The KX2/KX3/K3 ATUs have a very wide matching range and this antenna 
will work fine with any of their tuners.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/10/2019 12:01 PM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
> I have had my KX2 with the ATU for about 10 months and operate on 40m QRP SSB from various locations.  Experimenting with different antennas I have experienced best results with a 58.5? wire tossed about 25? up a tree with a 16.5? counterpoise.  I ran the same length wire from my house to the workshop, grounded the shield side of the cable, and have seen similar results to the field setup.
> 

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Thu Oct 10 15:31:37 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 15:31:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Antenna Curiosity
In-Reply-To: <CAPDwUVySc4ZyTyBahfZR=ZY+iVJHMDSabYCm=irSLiXXzbHbTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>
	<CAPDwUVySc4ZyTyBahfZR=ZY+iVJHMDSabYCm=irSLiXXzbHbTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E811609F-8851-42ED-BCAD-0D1D6E40B7E1@gmail.com>

Absolutely.  The other advantage of a horizontal dipole (or inverted V) is that it will be far quieter than the wire.

An end fed non-resonant wire installed as a sort-of sloper ?works? but is far from optimum.  Especially since you?re using a minimal counterpoise system.  One counterpoise wire (elevated) is far from being optimum.  But sure, you can make contacts on one.

That said, we all deal with what we have available.  As someone else said, a resonant vertical with an adequate radial system will work very well, too, if you have the space.  A vertical will be good for DX,  So will a dipole at a 1/2 wave up.  The dipole at lower heights (or an inverted V if you can?t hang it high from both ends) will be far better for local to medium range contacts than the vertical.  It depends on your objectives.

I?ve been experimenting with this same kind of non-resonant end-fed wire antenna on 20M because in my living situation it is supposedly good for multi band operation.  It works poorly everywhere.  My 20M Buddipole vertical (with 4 elevated radials) works better than that wire.  I recently got a 20M horizontal antenna bent around in my restricted space, and it is so much quieter, and works well, too.

I?d also suggest a thorough reading of the ARRL Antenna Book if you haven?t done so :-)

Grant NQ5T
KX3 (8342)/KXPA100


> On Oct 10, 2019, at 2:59 PM, Tim N9PUZ <tim.n9puz at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> If you are talking about a single band dipole then any half wave dipole cut
> to the standard formula and fed with good quality coax should work well. <snip>
> 
>>  I am planning to setup a Dipole at home, but as a newbie am
>> wondering if the ?ideal? Ham Dipole can be expected to improve performance.
>> 


From alorona at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct 10 16:24:48 2019
From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 20:24:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft]  Center-fed antennas
In-Reply-To: <d12ddd6d-3b13-3734-394c-3771f9eafb31@cis-broadband.com>
References: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>
	<d12ddd6d-3b13-3734-394c-3771f9eafb31@cis-broadband.com>
Message-ID: <1073959895.580699.1570739088188@mail.yahoo.com>

My experience with single vertical or sloping wires is exactly the same as AB7E's. I have, over almost twice as many Field Days as Dave, come to a similar conclusion, with the slight difference being my preference for an "all-band dipole" fed with balanced line. This obviates the balun and reduces feedline loss to negligible, so obviously I am maximizing efficiency at the expense of any other possible advantage. (I can usually hear much better than I can be heard... so thus far this has been a valid decision.)

To sum up what I and what I think Dave are saying, you can't beat a horizontal, center-fed wire up as high as you can get it. Its simplicity, the flexibility it gives you to QSY (with a good tuner), and its high efficiency are almost unbeatable.

As a side note, the center-fed horizontal wire I have used here at home is totally non-resonant. I don't even know how long it is. Once you give up the obsession with resonant antenna length, you gain a huge freedom of choice.

In the bottom of the sunspot cycle, these advantages are somewhat reduced because an op, especially on Field Day, might opt to forget about any band higher than 20 meters -- and these days even 20 is questionable. This means you can probably make do with coaxial cable and a balun for operation on 2 or 3 bands but the general idea still holds.

Al? W6LX


>Yes, a center fed normal dipole with the middle (high current portion) 
>higher off the ground (say 50 feet for 40m) and a common mode choke at 
>the feedpoint would almost assuredly perform better. 
>
>73,
>Dave?? AB7E

From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Thu Oct 10 16:56:51 2019
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 15:56:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
In-Reply-To: <1073959895.580699.1570739088188@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>	<d12ddd6d-3b13-3734-394c-3771f9eafb31@cis-broadband.com>
	<1073959895.580699.1570739088188@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <105e01d57fad$3d95b9b0$b8c12d10$@LNAINC.com>

I'm having great success with a horizontal center-fed "dipole" that has been sized (360 feet long) to be an Extended Double Zepp (4.7 dbi gain) and cut for the low end of 80 meters.  I feed it with 600 ohm "True" Ladder Line from a Balun Designs Hybrid Balun (1:1 Current and 4:1 Voltage all in one case).  A short run of coax from the balun to my KAT500, and I am in business at any frequency on 160 - 6 meters.

It's oriented to be an effective NVIS radiator in a N-S pattern on 80m, by design, and to have major lobes on the other bands in other directions - also by design.  For me, it's the most efficient and effective way to utilize our lot space (400 feet clear) and still be "under the radar" in our HOA.

Birds seem to like it, and I find that it seems to be especially attractive to Hummingbirds, my XYL's favorites.  A win-win, in my book.

73
Lyn, W?LEN


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Al Lorona
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 3:25 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; David Gilbert
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

My experience with single vertical or sloping wires is exactly the same as AB7E's. I have, over almost twice as many Field Days as Dave, come to a similar conclusion, with the slight difference being my preference for an "all-band dipole" fed with balanced line. This obviates the balun and reduces feedline loss to negligible, so obviously I am maximizing efficiency at the expense of any other possible advantage. (I can usually hear much better than I can be heard... so thus far this has been a valid decision.)

To sum up what I and what I think Dave are saying, you can't beat a horizontal, center-fed wire up as high as you can get it. Its simplicity, the flexibility it gives you to QSY (with a good tuner), and its high efficiency are almost unbeatable.

As a side note, the center-fed horizontal wire I have used here at home is totally non-resonant. I don't even know how long it is. Once you give up the obsession with resonant antenna length, you gain a huge freedom of choice.

In the bottom of the sunspot cycle, these advantages are somewhat reduced because an op, especially on Field Day, might opt to forget about any band higher than 20 meters -- and these days even 20 is questionable. This means you can probably make do with coaxial cable and a balun for operation on 2 or 3 bands but the general idea still holds.

Al  W6LX


>Yes, a center fed normal dipole with the middle (high current portion) 
>higher off the ground (say 50 feet for 40m) and a common mode choke at 
>the feedpoint would almost assuredly perform better. 
>
>73,
>Dave   AB7E
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Oct 10 17:04:34 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 14:04:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
In-Reply-To: <1073959895.580699.1570739088188@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>
	<d12ddd6d-3b13-3734-394c-3771f9eafb31@cis-broadband.com>
	<1073959895.580699.1570739088188@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6ce06353-0cbc-9cdd-694d-ae3d031640a8@foothill.net>

Yes, however ... a center-fed dipole long enough to be moderately close 
to a half-wave at 40 will develop a serious case of acute lobe-itis when 
operated at higher frequencies, squirting your RF in a variety of 
directions, many of which may not be productive for your intended 
objective.? Try, as many have over the years, to design the "magic 
antenna" that is very small, provides a 1:1 match on all bands, easily 
installed, and exhibits good gain, your effort will inevitably fail.? As 
JC Maxwell is reported to have said, "Physics is physics, the rules are 
unbreakable."? A log-periodic will give very modest gain over an octave 
or more, however LP's hardly fall into the Field Antenna class. [:-)

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 10/10/2019 1:24 PM, Al Lorona wrote:
> My experience with single vertical or sloping wires is exactly the same as AB7E's. I have, over almost twice as many Field Days as Dave, come to a similar conclusion, with the slight difference being my preference for an "all-band dipole" fed with balanced line. This obviates the balun and reduces feedline loss to negligible, so obviously I am maximizing efficiency at the expense of any other possible advantage. (I can usually hear much better than I can be heard... so thus far this has been a valid decision.)
>
> To sum up what I and what I think Dave are saying, you can't beat a horizontal, center-fed wire up as high as you can get it. Its simplicity, the flexibility it gives you to QSY (with a good tuner), and its high efficiency are almost unbeatable.
>
> As a side note, the center-fed horizontal wire I have used here at home is totally non-resonant. I don't even know how long it is. Once you give up the obsession with resonant antenna length, you gain a huge freedom of choice.
>
> In the bottom of the sunspot cycle, these advantages are somewhat reduced because an op, especially on Field Day, might opt to forget about any band higher than 20 meters -- and these days even 20 is questionable. This means you can probably make do with coaxial cable and a balun for operation on 2 or 3 bands but the general idea still holds.
>
> Al? W6LX
>


From ray2.s at btinternet.com  Thu Oct 10 17:15:24 2019
From: ray2.s at btinternet.com (Ray Spreadbury)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 22:15:24 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K$ Delivery Euope
Message-ID: <017101d57faf$d5336fe0$7f9a4fa0$@btinternet.com>

Hi Udo

I spoke to Eric at the UK Hamfest a couple of weeks ago. He said that
probably deliveries to Europe would be more like May/June/July with some
early examples perhaps being available to European Retailers  for demos a
bit earlier. 

I also Emailed Elecraft Sales last week to enquire if I could get one in
Jan/Feb (the same as USA I think) by paying the deposit directly to
Elecraft.

I received an answer from Madelyn Gomez a day later that before ANY
deliveries are made to Europe, the K4 will have to achieve European CE
Approval.

Not sure what happens if the UK leave the EU at end October with Brexit !!

73 Ray G3XLG


From macymonkeys at charter.net  Thu Oct 10 17:31:49 2019
From: macymonkeys at charter.net (Macy monkeys)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 14:31:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K$ Delivery Euope
In-Reply-To: <017101d57faf$d5336fe0$7f9a4fa0$@btinternet.com>
References: <017101d57faf$d5336fe0$7f9a4fa0$@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <AA6CADE1-D3ED-4D10-B50D-5BA798E03375@charter.net>

Am I the only one finding the K$ typo mildly amusing?   :)

John K7FD

> On Oct 10, 2019, at 2:15 PM, Ray Spreadbury via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Udo
> 
> I spoke to Eric at the UK Hamfest a couple of weeks ago. He said that
> probably deliveries to Europe would be more like May/June/July with some
> early examples perhaps being available to European Retailers  for demos a
> bit earlier. 
> 
> I also Emailed Elecraft Sales last week to enquire if I could get one in
> Jan/Feb (the same as USA I think) by paying the deposit directly to
> Elecraft.
> 
> I received an answer from Madelyn Gomez a day later that before ANY
> deliveries are made to Europe, the K4 will have to achieve European CE
> Approval.
> 
> Not sure what happens if the UK leave the EU at end October with Brexit !!
> 
> 73 Ray G3XLG
> 
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From seatools.w6zl at gmail.com  Thu Oct 10 17:32:56 2019
From: seatools.w6zl at gmail.com (David Lee / Seatools)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 14:32:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
In-Reply-To: <6ce06353-0cbc-9cdd-694d-ae3d031640a8@foothill.net>
References: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>
	<d12ddd6d-3b13-3734-394c-3771f9eafb31@cis-broadband.com>
	<1073959895.580699.1570739088188@mail.yahoo.com>
	<6ce06353-0cbc-9cdd-694d-ae3d031640a8@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <CAB_+R9Z8mwaPLcDYpbJrBhbtUbnoE0Axn68Bt1QZHH6Enr2t=A@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 2:06 PM Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:

> Yes, however ... a center-fed dipole long enough to be moderately close
> to a half-wave at 40 will develop a serious case of acute lobe-itis when
> operated at higher frequencies, squirting your RF in a variety of
> directions, many of which may not be productive for your intended
> objective.  Try, as many have over the years, to design the "magic
> antenna" that is very small, provides a 1:1 match on all bands, easily
> installed, and exhibits good gain, your effort will inevitably fail.  As
> JC Maxwell is reported to have said, "Physics is physics, the rules are
> unbreakable."  A log-periodic will give very modest gain over an octave
> or more, however LP's hardly fall into the Field Antenna class. [:-)
>
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> On 10/10/2019 1:24 PM, Al Lorona wrote:
> > My experience with single vertical or sloping wires is exactly the same
> as AB7E's. I have, over almost twice as many Field Days as Dave, come to a
> similar conclusion, with the slight difference being my preference for an
> "all-band dipole" fed with balanced line. This obviates the balun and
> reduces feedline loss to negligible, so obviously I am maximizing
> efficiency at the expense of any other possible advantage. (I can usually
> hear much better than I can be heard... so thus far this has been a valid
> decision.)
> >
> > To sum up what I and what I think Dave are saying, you can't beat a
> horizontal, center-fed wire up as high as you can get it. Its simplicity,
> the flexibility it gives you to QSY (with a good tuner), and its high
> efficiency are almost unbeatable.
> >
> > As a side note, the center-fed horizontal wire I have used here at home
> is totally non-resonant. I don't even know how long it is. Once you give up
> the obsession with resonant antenna length, you gain a huge freedom of
> choice.
> >
> > In the bottom of the sunspot cycle, these advantages are somewhat
> reduced because an op, especially on Field Day, might opt to forget about
> any band higher than 20 meters -- and these days even 20 is questionable.
> This means you can probably make do with coaxial cable and a balun for
> operation on 2 or 3 bands but the general idea still holds.
> >
> > Al  W6LX
> >
>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Oct 10 18:22:47 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 18:22:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
In-Reply-To: <CAB_+R9Z8mwaPLcDYpbJrBhbtUbnoE0Axn68Bt1QZHH6Enr2t=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>
	<d12ddd6d-3b13-3734-394c-3771f9eafb31@cis-broadband.com>
	<1073959895.580699.1570739088188@mail.yahoo.com>
	<6ce06353-0cbc-9cdd-694d-ae3d031640a8@foothill.net>
	<CAB_+R9Z8mwaPLcDYpbJrBhbtUbnoE0Axn68Bt1QZHH6Enr2t=A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ff6abcf0-d7f0-36ae-601e-28d3fe509b71@embarqmail.com>

All this talk of multi-band antennas for Field Day ignores the problem 
of multi-station Field Day operation.
There is sufficient pickup of one transmitter's energy on the antenna 
being used by a receiver on another band.
For that reason, my club has banned the use of multiband antennas for 
Field Day operation.

For a single station Field Day operation, the multiband antennas are great.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/10/2019 5:32 PM, David Lee / Seatools wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 2:06 PM Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
> 
>> Yes, however ... a center-fed dipole long enough to be moderately close
>> to a half-wave at 40 will develop a serious case of acute lobe-itis when
>> operated at higher frequencies, squirting your RF in a variety of
>> directions, many of which may not be productive for your intended
>> objective.  Try, as many have over the years, to design the "magic
>> antenna" that is very small, provides a 1:1 match on all bands, easily
>> installed, and exhibits good gain, your effort will inevitably fail.  As
>> JC Maxwell is reported to have said, "Physics is physics, the rules are
>> unbreakable."  A log-periodic will give very modest gain over an octave
>> or more, however LP's hardly fall into the Field Antenna class. [:-)
>>
>> 73,
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>>
>> On 10/10/2019 1:24 PM, Al Lorona wrote:
>>> My experience with single vertical or sloping wires is exactly the same
>> as AB7E's. I have, over almost twice as many Field Days as Dave, come to a
>> similar conclusion, with the slight difference being my preference for an
>> "all-band dipole" fed with balanced line. This obviates the balun and
>> reduces feedline loss to negligible, so obviously I am maximizing
>> efficiency at the expense of any other possible advantage. (I can usually
>> hear much better than I can be heard... so thus far this has been a valid
>> decision.)
>>>
>>> To sum up what I and what I think Dave are saying, you can't beat a
>> horizontal, center-fed wire up as high as you can get it. Its simplicity,
>> the flexibility it gives you to QSY (with a good tuner), and its high
>> efficiency are almost unbeatable.

From arm at uniontel.net  Thu Oct 10 18:24:06 2019
From: arm at uniontel.net (Rick A.)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 17:24:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] F/S - Elecraft K2/100 (REDUCED)
In-Reply-To: <f673bab1-3616-d73e-6450-df698f0e60ea@uniontel.net>
References: <f673bab1-3616-d73e-6450-df698f0e60ea@uniontel.net>
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I have for sale a pristine condition Elecraft K2-100. This is my second
K2/100 rig and was meticulously built by me with the following options.
K2, KPA100, KNB2, KSB2, K60XV and K160RX. After completion the radio was
sent to Don Wilhelm, W3FPR for a check over and complete professional
calibration. I have all original paperwork, QRP cover and all cables
required. Does not come with a mic but is wired for Kenwood mic. I have
many photos from during the assembly so you can see the quality of the
build. Price is $1000.00 + shipping.


From alorona at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct 10 18:24:53 2019
From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 22:24:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
In-Reply-To: <6ce06353-0cbc-9cdd-694d-ae3d031640a8@foothill.net>
References: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>
	<d12ddd6d-3b13-3734-394c-3771f9eafb31@cis-broadband.com>
	<1073959895.580699.1570739088188@mail.yahoo.com>
	<6ce06353-0cbc-9cdd-694d-ae3d031640a8@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <1008455424.635077.1570746293160@mail.yahoo.com>

Precisely because of this objection and countless others, is why I expressly stated, "...at the expense of any other possible advantage." I think we all understand that there's no magic antenna. The 'magic' of the antenna we're discussing here is simplicity, all-frequency operation, and high efficiency. No other magical claims are being made.

Al? W6LX

>Yes, however ... a center-fed dipole long enough to be moderately close 
>to a half-wave at 40 will develop a serious case of acute lobe-itis when 
>operated at higher frequencies




From kengkopp at gmail.com  Thu Oct 10 18:27:41 2019
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 16:27:41 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft]  Center-fed antennas
In-Reply-To: <ff6abcf0-d7f0-36ae-601e-28d3fe509b71@embarqmail.com>
References: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>
	<d12ddd6d-3b13-3734-394c-3771f9eafb31@cis-broadband.com>
	<1073959895.580699.1570739088188@mail.yahoo.com>
	<6ce06353-0cbc-9cdd-694d-ae3d031640a8@foothill.net>
	<CAB_+R9Z8mwaPLcDYpbJrBhbtUbnoE0Axn68Bt1QZHH6Enr2t=A@mail.gmail.com>
	<ff6abcf0-d7f0-36ae-601e-28d3fe509b71@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTN9h+kNd=oEmx1D7qbs6CaUVwum7JSYc2f2mqe+q7MpCA@mail.gmail.com>

Well-said, Don.

73!

Ken Kopp - K0PP

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 16:23 Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> All this talk of multi-band antennas for Field Day ignores the problem
> of multi-station Field Day operation.
> There is sufficient pickup of one transmitter's energy on the antenna
> being used by a receiver on another band.
> For that reason, my club has banned the use of multiband antennas for
> Field Day operation.
>
> For a single station Field Day operation, the multiband antennas are great.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 10/10/2019 5:32 PM, David Lee / Seatools wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 2:06 PM Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, however ... a center-fed dipole long enough to be moderately close
> >> to a half-wave at 40 will develop a serious case of acute lobe-itis when
> >> operated at higher frequencies, squirting your RF in a variety of
> >> directions, many of which may not be productive for your intended
> >> objective.  Try, as many have over the years, to design the "magic
> >> antenna" that is very small, provides a 1:1 match on all bands, easily
> >> installed, and exhibits good gain, your effort will inevitably fail.  As
> >> JC Maxwell is reported to have said, "Physics is physics, the rules are
> >> unbreakable."  A log-periodic will give very modest gain over an octave
> >> or more, however LP's hardly fall into the Field Antenna class. [:-)
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> >> Sparks NV DM09dn
> >> Washoe County
> >>
> >> On 10/10/2019 1:24 PM, Al Lorona wrote:
> >>> My experience with single vertical or sloping wires is exactly the same
> >> as AB7E's. I have, over almost twice as many Field Days as Dave, come
> to a
> >> similar conclusion, with the slight difference being my preference for
> an
> >> "all-band dipole" fed with balanced line. This obviates the balun and
> >> reduces feedline loss to negligible, so obviously I am maximizing
> >> efficiency at the expense of any other possible advantage. (I can
> usually
> >> hear much better than I can be heard... so thus far this has been a
> valid
> >> decision.)
> >>>
> >>> To sum up what I and what I think Dave are saying, you can't beat a
> >> horizontal, center-fed wire up as high as you can get it. Its
> simplicity,
> >> the flexibility it gives you to QSY (with a good tuner), and its high
> >> efficiency are almost unbeatable.
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Oct 10 18:45:38 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 15:45:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K$ Delivery Euope
In-Reply-To: <AA6CADE1-D3ED-4D10-B50D-5BA798E03375@charter.net>
References: <017101d57faf$d5336fe0$7f9a4fa0$@btinternet.com>
	<AA6CADE1-D3ED-4D10-B50D-5BA798E03375@charter.net>
Message-ID: <003d4847-222f-00d7-e4f6-151cf6cf799e@foothill.net>

No, I too wondered if it was accidental [$ is above 4], or a subtle 
message ... [:-)

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 10/10/2019 2:31 PM, Macy monkeys wrote:
> Am I the only one finding the K$ typo mildly amusing?   :)
>
> John K7FD
>


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Thu Oct 10 19:12:00 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 18:12:00 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTN9h+kNd=oEmx1D7qbs6CaUVwum7JSYc2f2mqe+q7MpCA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>
	<d12ddd6d-3b13-3734-394c-3771f9eafb31@cis-broadband.com>
	<1073959895.580699.1570739088188@mail.yahoo.com>
	<6ce06353-0cbc-9cdd-694d-ae3d031640a8@foothill.net>
	<CAB_+R9Z8mwaPLcDYpbJrBhbtUbnoE0Axn68Bt1QZHH6Enr2t=A@mail.gmail.com>
	<ff6abcf0-d7f0-36ae-601e-28d3fe509b71@embarqmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTN9h+kNd=oEmx1D7qbs6CaUVwum7JSYc2f2mqe+q7MpCA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ecf20c0a-8e4e-de47-ba03-ccec5f6d47cb@blomand.net>

I thought a Band Pass Filter at each station resolved that issue.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 10/10/2019 5:27 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote:
> Well-said, Don.
>
> 73!
>
> Ken Kopp - K0PP
>
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 16:23 Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
>> All this talk of multi-band antennas for Field Day ignores the problem
>> of multi-station Field Day operation.
>> There is sufficient pickup of one transmitter's energy on the antenna
>> being used by a receiver on another band.
>> For that reason, my club has banned the use of multiband antennas for
>> Field Day operation.
>>
>> For a single station Field Day operation, the multiband antennas are great.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 10/10/2019 5:32 PM, David Lee / Seatools wrote:
>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 2:06 PM Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, however ... a center-fed dipole long enough to be moderately close
>>>> to a half-wave at 40 will develop a serious case of acute lobe-itis when
>>>> operated at higher frequencies, squirting your RF in a variety of
>>>> directions, many of which may not be productive for your intended
>>>> objective.  Try, as many have over the years, to design the "magic
>>>> antenna" that is very small, provides a 1:1 match on all bands, easily
>>>> installed, and exhibits good gain, your effort will inevitably fail.  As
>>>> JC Maxwell is reported to have said, "Physics is physics, the rules are
>>>> unbreakable."  A log-periodic will give very modest gain over an octave
>>>> or more, however LP's hardly fall into the Field Antenna class. [:-)
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>>>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>>>> Washoe County
>>>>
>>>> On 10/10/2019 1:24 PM, Al Lorona wrote:
>>>>> My experience with single vertical or sloping wires is exactly the same
>>>> as AB7E's. I have, over almost twice as many Field Days as Dave, come
>> to a
>>>> similar conclusion, with the slight difference being my preference for
>> an
>>>> "all-band dipole" fed with balanced line. This obviates the balun and
>>>> reduces feedline loss to negligible, so obviously I am maximizing
>>>> efficiency at the expense of any other possible advantage. (I can
>> usually
>>>> hear much better than I can be heard... so thus far this has been a
>> valid
>>>> decision.)
>>>>> To sum up what I and what I think Dave are saying, you can't beat a
>>>> horizontal, center-fed wire up as high as you can get it. Its
>> simplicity,
>>>> the flexibility it gives you to QSY (with a good tuner), and its high
>>>> efficiency are almost unbeatable.
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From wa6nhc at gmail.com  Thu Oct 10 19:16:48 2019
From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 16:16:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
In-Reply-To: <105e01d57fad$3d95b9b0$b8c12d10$@LNAINC.com>
References: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>
	<d12ddd6d-3b13-3734-394c-3771f9eafb31@cis-broadband.com>
	<1073959895.580699.1570739088188@mail.yahoo.com>
	<105e01d57fad$3d95b9b0$b8c12d10$@LNAINC.com>
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I have over 200 countries on a similar antenna, though I had to use 
another tuner than the KAT500, for 160M. Average height was about 35'.

Just keep the coax short, like under 10' and as much center fed wire as 
you can put in the air, it'll play.? It won't rock your world, it'll 
make you work for some of the DX, but that teaches patience and 
operating technique, still win-win.

Rick nhc


On 10/10/2019 1:56 PM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
> I'm having great success with a horizontal center-fed "dipole" that has been sized (360 feet long) to be an Extended Double Zepp (4.7 dbi gain) and cut for the low end of 80 meters.  I feed it with 600 ohm "True" Ladder Line from a Balun Designs Hybrid Balun (1:1 Current and 4:1 Voltage all in one case).  A short run of coax from the balun to my KAT500, and I am in business at any frequency on 160 - 6 meters.
>
> It's oriented to be an effective NVIS radiator in a N-S pattern on 80m, by design, and to have major lobes on the other bands in other directions - also by design.  For me, it's the most efficient and effective way to utilize our lot space (400 feet clear) and still be "under the radar" in our HOA.
>
> Birds seem to like it, and I find that it seems to be especially attractive to Hummingbirds, my XYL's favorites.  A win-win, in my book.
>
> 73
> Lyn, W?LEN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Al Lorona
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 3:25 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; David Gilbert
> Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
>
> My experience with single vertical or sloping wires is exactly the same as AB7E's. I have, over almost twice as many Field Days as Dave, come to a similar conclusion, with the slight difference being my preference for an "all-band dipole" fed with balanced line. This obviates the balun and reduces feedline loss to negligible, so obviously I am maximizing efficiency at the expense of any other possible advantage. (I can usually hear much better than I can be heard... so thus far this has been a valid decision.)
>
> To sum up what I and what I think Dave are saying, you can't beat a horizontal, center-fed wire up as high as you can get it. Its simplicity, the flexibility it gives you to QSY (with a good tuner), and its high efficiency are almost unbeatable.
>
> As a side note, the center-fed horizontal wire I have used here at home is totally non-resonant. I don't even know how long it is. Once you give up the obsession with resonant antenna length, you gain a huge freedom of choice.
>
> In the bottom of the sunspot cycle, these advantages are somewhat reduced because an op, especially on Field Day, might opt to forget about any band higher than 20 meters -- and these days even 20 is questionable. This means you can probably make do with coaxial cable and a balun for operation on 2 or 3 bands but the general idea still holds.
>
> Al  W6LX
>
>
>> Yes, a center fed normal dipole with the middle (high current portion)
>> higher off the ground (say 50 feet for 40m) and a common mode choke at
>> the feedpoint would almost assuredly perform better.
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave   AB7E
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From kb2m at arrl.net  Thu Oct 10 19:21:13 2019
From: kb2m at arrl.net (jeff griffin)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 19:21:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K$ Delivery Euope
In-Reply-To: <AA6CADE1-D3ED-4D10-B50D-5BA798E03375@charter.net>
References: <017101d57faf$d5336fe0$7f9a4fa0$@btinternet.com>
	<AA6CADE1-D3ED-4D10-B50D-5BA798E03375@charter.net>
Message-ID: <004001d57fc1$68d71740$3a8545c0$@net>

Well me too.... 

73 Jeff kb2m

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Macy monkeys
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 5:32 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K$ Delivery Euope

Am I the only one finding the K$ typo mildly amusing?   :)

John K7FD

> On Oct 10, 2019, at 2:15 PM, Ray Spreadbury via Elecraft
<elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Udo
> 
> I spoke to Eric at the UK Hamfest a couple of weeks ago. He said that
> probably deliveries to Europe would be more like May/June/July with some
> early examples perhaps being available to European Retailers  for demos a
> bit earlier. 
> 
> I also Emailed Elecraft Sales last week to enquire if I could get one in
> Jan/Feb (the same as USA I think) by paying the deposit directly to
> Elecraft.
> 
> I received an answer from Madelyn Gomez a day later that before ANY
> deliveries are made to Europe, the K4 will have to achieve European CE
> Approval.
> 
> Not sure what happens if the UK leave the EU at end October with Brexit !!
> 
> 73 Ray G3XLG
> 
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Oct 10 19:44:19 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 19:44:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
In-Reply-To: <ecf20c0a-8e4e-de47-ba03-ccec5f6d47cb@blomand.net>
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	<1073959895.580699.1570739088188@mail.yahoo.com>
	<6ce06353-0cbc-9cdd-694d-ae3d031640a8@foothill.net>
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Message-ID: <afdad6b7-dbcf-2705-dc44-1d91968b74a4@embarqmail.com>

Bob,

Bandpass filters at each station will help a lot, but they do not have 
infinite out of band rejection.
There is still a huge benefit with single band antennas.  My club uses both.

Last Field Day (3F operation) one station got on the air with a 
multiband vertical, and all other operators jumped on that operator to 
shut him down quickly!  The multi-band antenna radiated harmonics of the 
radio.  Even though the transmitter met the -43 dB harmonic required by 
the FCC, the proximity of the multiband antenna to other antennas caused 
problems (that station was not using a bandpass filter).

So for Field Day multi-station operation, single band antennas, bandpass 
filters and transmitters with low phase noise are important.  We were 
not able to orient the antennas end to end due to space considerations 
at the EOC site, so we had to compromise on that, which makes the other 
factors very important.

I need to point out that as an experiment, a 2nd station used an antenna 
on 20 meters separated from the main 20 meters, and we were able to 
operate one on CW (K3) at the same time as the other station (Icom) used 
digital and SSB modes.  We had some mutual interference, but it was 
minimal.  The K3 did not interfere much with the Icom due to the K3's 
low phase noise, but the Icom did raise the background noise level on 
the K3.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/10/2019 7:12 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> I thought a Band Pass Filter at each station resolved that issue.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> On 10/10/2019 5:27 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote:
>> Well-said, Don.
>>
>> 73!
>>
>> Ken Kopp - K0PP
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 16:23 Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> All this talk of multi-band antennas for Field Day ignores the problem
>>> of multi-station Field Day operation.
>>> There is sufficient pickup of one transmitter's energy on the antenna
>>> being used by a receiver on another band.
>>> For that reason, my club has banned the use of multiband antennas for
>>> Field Day operation.
>>>
>>> For a single station Field Day operation, the multiband antennas are 
>>> great.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>>

From alorona at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct 10 19:56:47 2019
From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 23:56:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
In-Reply-To: <afdad6b7-dbcf-2705-dc44-1d91968b74a4@embarqmail.com>
References: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>
	<d12ddd6d-3b13-3734-394c-3771f9eafb31@cis-broadband.com>
	<1073959895.580699.1570739088188@mail.yahoo.com>
	<6ce06353-0cbc-9cdd-694d-ae3d031640a8@foothill.net>
	<CAB_+R9Z8mwaPLcDYpbJrBhbtUbnoE0Axn68Bt1QZHH6Enr2t=A@mail.gmail.com>
	<ff6abcf0-d7f0-36ae-601e-28d3fe509b71@embarqmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTN9h+kNd=oEmx1D7qbs6CaUVwum7JSYc2f2mqe+q7MpCA@mail.gmail.com>
	<ecf20c0a-8e4e-de47-ba03-ccec5f6d47cb@blomand.net>
	<afdad6b7-dbcf-2705-dc44-1d91968b74a4@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <1181250098.699458.1570751807666@mail.yahoo.com>

Fair enough, but it kinda goes without saying that in a group FD with 1 station per band they'll use resonant, single-band antennas. If this is our best argument against the 'multiband dipole', then that antenna still holds its own pretty well in a multitude of other situations.

I have always found a deep resistance and opposition to this antenna. Whether it's an unwillingness to use antenna tuners, which many hams have, or an undue fear of noise, which some hams have, or a belief that open-wire line is noisier/weirder/harder/impossible-to-go-through-walls, which many hams believe, the visceral reaction against this antenna always amazes and baffles me.

Please forgive my belligerence... the Dodgers lost and I've been in a sour mood all day.

Al? W6LX

From lists at subich.com  Thu Oct 10 19:57:19 2019
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 19:57:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
In-Reply-To: <afdad6b7-dbcf-2705-dc44-1d91968b74a4@embarqmail.com>
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	<afdad6b7-dbcf-2705-dc44-1d91968b74a4@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <b948dd38-dd45-e2e8-5324-0c903517e6f7@subich.com>


The one "multiband" antenna one can use in a multi-transmitter
configuration is the flat-top with open wire feeders and a
*Link coupled* tuner.  The link coupled tuner is a bandpass filter
that significantly reduces harmonic/broadband noise just like the
"Q" of a single band antenna.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2019-10-10 7:44 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Bob,
> 
> Bandpass filters at each station will help a lot, but they do not have 
> infinite out of band rejection.
> There is still a huge benefit with single band antennas.? My club uses 
> both.
> 
> Last Field Day (3F operation) one station got on the air with a 
> multiband vertical, and all other operators jumped on that operator to 
> shut him down quickly!? The multi-band antenna radiated harmonics of the 
> radio.? Even though the transmitter met the -43 dB harmonic required by 
> the FCC, the proximity of the multiband antenna to other antennas caused 
> problems (that station was not using a bandpass filter).
> 
> So for Field Day multi-station operation, single band antennas, bandpass 
> filters and transmitters with low phase noise are important.? We were 
> not able to orient the antennas end to end due to space considerations 
> at the EOC site, so we had to compromise on that, which makes the other 
> factors very important.
> 
> I need to point out that as an experiment, a 2nd station used an antenna 
> on 20 meters separated from the main 20 meters, and we were able to 
> operate one on CW (K3) at the same time as the other station (Icom) used 
> digital and SSB modes.? We had some mutual interference, but it was 
> minimal.? The K3 did not interfere much with the Icom due to the K3's 
> low phase noise, but the Icom did raise the background noise level on 
> the K3.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 


From jackbrindle at me.com  Thu Oct 10 20:05:48 2019
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 17:05:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
In-Reply-To: <afdad6b7-dbcf-2705-dc44-1d91968b74a4@embarqmail.com>
References: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>
	<d12ddd6d-3b13-3734-394c-3771f9eafb31@cis-broadband.com>
	<1073959895.580699.1570739088188@mail.yahoo.com>
	<6ce06353-0cbc-9cdd-694d-ae3d031640a8@foothill.net>
	<CAB_+R9Z8mwaPLcDYpbJrBhbtUbnoE0Axn68Bt1QZHH6Enr2t=A@mail.gmail.com>
	<ff6abcf0-d7f0-36ae-601e-28d3fe509b71@embarqmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTN9h+kNd=oEmx1D7qbs6CaUVwum7JSYc2f2mqe+q7MpCA@mail.gmail.com>
	<ecf20c0a-8e4e-de47-ba03-ccec5f6d47cb@blomand.net>
	<afdad6b7-dbcf-2705-dc44-1d91968b74a4@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <27A4B1C8-B73E-40A3-BCC1-702C338A9F5D@me.com>

As usual, there are exceptions to everything. A multi-band beam, such as a C3S or the modern equivalent, will perform incredibly well when used with bandpass filters and a triplexer. The 10,15 and 20 meter stations all will use the antenna through the triplexer/BPFs with no issues. This also turns out to be a favorite setup for many SO2R and M/2 stations at both low and high power. The key is port-to-port isolation through the triplexer/BPFs. It is extremely important that all components can handle the power level in use. Also very important is that the radios have very low spurs and phase noise (i.e. need to have clean signals on transmit). The K3/K3S meets the bill, as do recent Flex Radio SDRs. As Rob Sherwood has pointed out recently, the transmit issue (See Oct QST and hi Dayton Contest Forum talk this past May) is pretty big in most radios. They have been paying attention to receiver issues, but not transmitter. We are very lucky that Wayne, Eric and friends have been paying attention to this issue for many years.

73!
Jack, W6FB


> On Oct 10, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> 
> Bandpass filters at each station will help a lot, but they do not have infinite out of band rejection.
> There is still a huge benefit with single band antennas.  My club uses both.
> 
> Last Field Day (3F operation) one station got on the air with a multiband vertical, and all other operators jumped on that operator to shut him down quickly!  The multi-band antenna radiated harmonics of the radio.  Even though the transmitter met the -43 dB harmonic required by the FCC, the proximity of the multiband antenna to other antennas caused problems (that station was not using a bandpass filter).
> 
> So for Field Day multi-station operation, single band antennas, bandpass filters and transmitters with low phase noise are important.  We were not able to orient the antennas end to end due to space considerations at the EOC site, so we had to compromise on that, which makes the other factors very important.
> 
> I need to point out that as an experiment, a 2nd station used an antenna on 20 meters separated from the main 20 meters, and we were able to operate one on CW (K3) at the same time as the other station (Icom) used digital and SSB modes.  We had some mutual interference, but it was minimal.  The K3 did not interfere much with the Icom due to the K3's low phase noise, but the Icom did raise the background noise level on the K3.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 10/10/2019 7:12 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> I thought a Band Pass Filter at each station resolved that issue.
>> 73
>> Bob, K4TAX
>> On 10/10/2019 5:27 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote:
>>> Well-said, Don.
>>> 
>>> 73!
>>> 
>>> Ken Kopp - K0PP
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 16:23 Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> All this talk of multi-band antennas for Field Day ignores the problem
>>>> of multi-station Field Day operation.
>>>> There is sufficient pickup of one transmitter's energy on the antenna
>>>> being used by a receiver on another band.
>>>> For that reason, my club has banned the use of multiband antennas for
>>>> Field Day operation.
>>>> 
>>>> For a single station Field Day operation, the multiband antennas are great.
>>>> 
>>>> 73,
>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>> 
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From n8ag at comcast.net  Thu Oct 10 20:03:15 2019
From: n8ag at comcast.net (Dave)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 20:03:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: P3 w/SVGA
Message-ID: <mailman.117.1570752476.13233.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Excellent P3 with SVGA option. Contact off-list n8ag at comcast.net


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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Oct 10 20:35:06 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 20:35:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
In-Reply-To: <b948dd38-dd45-e2e8-5324-0c903517e6f7@subich.com>
References: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>
	<d12ddd6d-3b13-3734-394c-3771f9eafb31@cis-broadband.com>
	<1073959895.580699.1570739088188@mail.yahoo.com>
	<6ce06353-0cbc-9cdd-694d-ae3d031640a8@foothill.net>
	<CAB_+R9Z8mwaPLcDYpbJrBhbtUbnoE0Axn68Bt1QZHH6Enr2t=A@mail.gmail.com>
	<ff6abcf0-d7f0-36ae-601e-28d3fe509b71@embarqmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTN9h+kNd=oEmx1D7qbs6CaUVwum7JSYc2f2mqe+q7MpCA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<b948dd38-dd45-e2e8-5324-0c903517e6f7@subich.com>
Message-ID: <45450db5-aa98-92d2-4107-5f8b02af2274@embarqmail.com>

Joe,

I agree completely, bring your Johnson Matchbox to the next Field Day! 
Or even your old plug-in coil open frame link coupled balanced tuner.

Who has a link coupled tuner (like the Johnson Matchbox) these days? 
Those are big boat anchor box these days (and hard to find).  I have one 
that sees little use, but I am not willing to part with it.  It does a 
good job when needed.

Most autotuners are of the L-network design and the manual tuners are 
typically T-network - the L-network can be a high pass or a low pass 
filter, but the more common T-network is always a high pass filter.  If 
one has an old Collins tuner, it may be a Pi-network which is a low pass 
filter.

As you pointed out, the link coupled tuner is a bandpass filter, but 
fixed tune bandpass filters will do just as well for multi-station 
operation.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/10/2019 7:57 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> 
> The one "multiband" antenna one can use in a multi-transmitter
> configuration is the flat-top with open wire feeders and a
> *Link coupled* tuner.? The link coupled tuner is a bandpass filter
> that significantly reduces harmonic/broadband noise just like the
> "Q" of a single band antenna.
> 
> 73,
> 
>  ?? ... Joe, W4TV
> 

From ab4iq at comcast.net  Thu Oct 10 21:05:06 2019
From: ab4iq at comcast.net (Ed Pflueger)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 20:05:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
In-Reply-To: <afdad6b7-dbcf-2705-dc44-1d91968b74a4@embarqmail.com>
References: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>	<d12ddd6d-3b13-3734-394c-3771f9eafb31@cis-broadband.com>	<1073959895.580699.1570739088188@mail.yahoo.com>	<6ce06353-0cbc-9cdd-694d-ae3d031640a8@foothill.net>	<CAB_+R9Z8mwaPLcDYpbJrBhbtUbnoE0Axn68Bt1QZHH6Enr2t=A@mail.gmail.com>	<ff6abcf0-d7f0-36ae-601e-28d3fe509b71@embarqmail.com>	<CAD4CdTN9h+kNd=oEmx1D7qbs6CaUVwum7JSYc2f2mqe+q7MpCA@mail.gmail.com>	<ecf20c0a-8e4e-de47-ba03-ccec5f6d47cb@blomand.net>
	<afdad6b7-dbcf-2705-dc44-1d91968b74a4@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <01b501d57fcf$ec506ff0$c4f14fd0$@comcast.net>

At W4NJA (3A) for Field Day we use three Dipoles (Cut for the low end of 80
meters) fed with 450 Ohm ladder line into a DXEngineering Balun with less
than ten feet of coax into the rig.  The feed line is cut at odd multiples
and the antennas are spaced in a straight line end to end with separation of
course.  We can run three stations on the same band but different modes with
no interaction.  We used to use G5RV's, verticals, beams etc. but have opted
for this configuration because it works.  No problem with K3's, Omni VII's
tuners to tune the bands.  I have the actual length's that the three are cut
for but they are stored at another location.  I actually got the information
from DXEngineering somewhere on their web pages.

Ed.. AB4IQ

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 6:44 PM
To: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

Bob,

Bandpass filters at each station will help a lot, but they do not have
infinite out of band rejection.
There is still a huge benefit with single band antennas.  My club uses both.

Last Field Day (3F operation) one station got on the air with a multiband
vertical, and all other operators jumped on that operator to shut him down
quickly!  The multi-band antenna radiated harmonics of the radio.  Even
though the transmitter met the -43 dB harmonic required by the FCC, the
proximity of the multiband antenna to other antennas caused problems (that
station was not using a bandpass filter).

So for Field Day multi-station operation, single band antennas, bandpass
filters and transmitters with low phase noise are important.  We were not
able to orient the antennas end to end due to space considerations at the
EOC site, so we had to compromise on that, which makes the other factors
very important.

I need to point out that as an experiment, a 2nd station used an antenna on
20 meters separated from the main 20 meters, and we were able to operate one
on CW (K3) at the same time as the other station (Icom) used digital and SSB
modes.  We had some mutual interference, but it was minimal.  The K3 did not
interfere much with the Icom due to the K3's low phase noise, but the Icom
did raise the background noise level on the K3.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/10/2019 7:12 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> I thought a Band Pass Filter at each station resolved that issue.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> On 10/10/2019 5:27 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote:
>> Well-said, Don.
>>
>> 73!
>>
>> Ken Kopp - K0PP
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 16:23 Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> All this talk of multi-band antennas for Field Day ignores the 
>>> problem of multi-station Field Day operation.
>>> There is sufficient pickup of one transmitter's energy on the 
>>> antenna being used by a receiver on another band.
>>> For that reason, my club has banned the use of multiband antennas 
>>> for Field Day operation.
>>>
>>> For a single station Field Day operation, the multiband antennas are 
>>> great.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>>
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Thu Oct 10 22:10:22 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 21:10:22 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
In-Reply-To: <45450db5-aa98-92d2-4107-5f8b02af2274@embarqmail.com>
References: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>
	<d12ddd6d-3b13-3734-394c-3771f9eafb31@cis-broadband.com>
	<1073959895.580699.1570739088188@mail.yahoo.com>
	<6ce06353-0cbc-9cdd-694d-ae3d031640a8@foothill.net>
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	<45450db5-aa98-92d2-4107-5f8b02af2274@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <d983de7c-7b3c-5078-edae-8a09afbd031d@blomand.net>

I used my Johnson Matchbox at our Field Day event about 3 years ago.?? I 
went through each band and several frequencies on each band and compiled 
a written chart identifying the settings for each band/frequency.??? 
After 2 hours of trying to work stations on 20M,? the radio failed and 
they came to wake me from my late night nap.?? The result is the 
Matchbox was adjusted for 80M in the CW portion and the operators were 
complaining of high SWR and no power output on 20M.?? It took 2 hrs for 
them to observe this???? I was amazed at the number of "Extra Class" 
operators at the site that thought the tuner was automatic and would 
change with band / frequency changes on the radio.? The radio by the way 
WAS NOT an Elecraft product.

73

Bob, K4TAX



On 10/10/2019 7:35 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Joe,
>
> I agree completely, bring your Johnson Matchbox to the next Field Day! 
> Or even your old plug-in coil open frame link coupled balanced tuner.
>
> Who has a link coupled tuner (like the Johnson Matchbox) these days? 
> Those are big boat anchor box these days (and hard to find).? I have 
> one that sees little use, but I am not willing to part with it.? It 
> does a good job when needed.
>
> Most autotuners are of the L-network design and the manual tuners are 
> typically T-network - the L-network can be a high pass or a low pass 
> filter, but the more common T-network is always a high pass filter.? 
> If one has an old Collins tuner, it may be a Pi-network which is a low 
> pass filter.
>
> As you pointed out, the link coupled tuner is a bandpass filter, but 
> fixed tune bandpass filters will do just as well for multi-station 
> operation.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>


From tombewick at gmail.com  Thu Oct 10 22:15:17 2019
From: tombewick at gmail.com (K2bew)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 22:15:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
In-Reply-To: <d983de7c-7b3c-5078-edae-8a09afbd031d@blomand.net>
References: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>
	<d12ddd6d-3b13-3734-394c-3771f9eafb31@cis-broadband.com>
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That's a sad commentary on the state of modern ham radio....
To, k2bew

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 10:12 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:

> I used my Johnson Matchbox at our Field Day event about 3 years ago.   I
> went through each band and several frequencies on each band and compiled
> a written chart identifying the settings for each band/frequency.
> After 2 hours of trying to work stations on 20M,  the radio failed and
> they came to wake me from my late night nap.   The result is the
> Matchbox was adjusted for 80M in the CW portion and the operators were
> complaining of high SWR and no power output on 20M.   It took 2 hrs for
> them to observe this?    I was amazed at the number of "Extra Class"
> operators at the site that thought the tuner was automatic and would
> change with band / frequency changes on the radio.  The radio by the way
> WAS NOT an Elecraft product.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
>
> On 10/10/2019 7:35 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> > Joe,
> >
> > I agree completely, bring your Johnson Matchbox to the next Field Day!
> > Or even your old plug-in coil open frame link coupled balanced tuner.
> >
> > Who has a link coupled tuner (like the Johnson Matchbox) these days?
> > Those are big boat anchor box these days (and hard to find).  I have
> > one that sees little use, but I am not willing to part with it.  It
> > does a good job when needed.
> >
> > Most autotuners are of the L-network design and the manual tuners are
> > typically T-network - the L-network can be a high pass or a low pass
> > filter, but the more common T-network is always a high pass filter.
> > If one has an old Collins tuner, it may be a Pi-network which is a low
> > pass filter.
> >
> > As you pointed out, the link coupled tuner is a bandpass filter, but
> > fixed tune bandpass filters will do just as well for multi-station
> > operation.
> >
> > 73,
> > Don W3FPR
> >
>
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Thu Oct 10 22:20:32 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 21:20:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Antenna Curiosity
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The only issue I've encountered with single band antennas, to staff a 
Field Day site to operate 2 or 3 stations per band, and 5 bands, there 
needs to be some 10 to 15 antennas erected.??? Where as a single 135 ft 
wire with a balanced feed system, a good 1:1 balun, and a good tuner 
{not one of those internal radio 3:1 tuners} will allow each station to 
operate 5 bands with one antenna.?? Thus 3 stations = 3 antennas.?? That 
greatly simplifies operation and installation.

After all Field Day was conceived to allow hams to operate under less 
than ideal conditions and to commence operation as expediently as 
possible.?? I don't think installing 10 to 15 antennas for 2 or 3 
stations falls under the definition of expediently.

I totally agree with Joe, W4TV where he says "The one "multiband" 
antenna one can use in a multi-transmitter
configuration is the flat-top with open wire feeders and a *Link 
coupled* tuner.? The link coupled tuner is a bandpass filter
that significantly reduces harmonic/broadband noise just like the "Q" of 
a single band antenna."

The optimum end result of any multi transmitter site is to have clean 
transmitters.?? We've been begging for better receivers, now it is time 
to beg for cleaner transmitters.

73

Bob, K4TAX



On 10/10/2019 1:59 PM, Tim N9PUZ wrote:
> If you are talking about a single band dipole then any half wave dipole cut
> to the standard formula and fed with good quality coax should work well. If
> you want a "multi band" dipole then I would recommend cutting it for the
> lowest frequency you plan to operate and feeding it with balanced line.
> Even the best coax can have a lot of loss under high SWR conditions
> (between your tuner and the antenna feedpoint) whereas even at 1 10:1 SWR
> balanced line does not have much loss. The radiation pattern of a multi
> band configuration can vary a lot from band to band.
>
> The end fed wire you describe is not specific to the KX2. You typically
> want the longest wire possible that is NOT a half wavelength or even
> multiple on any band you want to operate. The main reason for this is when
> a wire is a half wave or an even multiple the impedance at the end of the
> wire can be very high and it is more difficult for most tuners to obtain a
> match there. By it NOT being a half wave, the impedance is lower and a wide
> range tuner like the one in your KX2 can match it more easily and present
> the proper impedance to the radio.
>
> Here is an article that suggests good lengths for a "random wire" antenna.
> The lengths aren't really very random, they are specifically chosen to be
> easier to match. At 58.5 feet you arrived at one of the good lengths.
>
> <https://udel.edu/~mm/ham/randomWire/>
>
> Tim N9PUZ
>
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 11:03 AM Joseph Shuman via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
>> I have had my KX2 with the ATU for about 10 months and operate on 40m QRP
>> SSB from various locations.  Experimenting with different antennas I have
>> experienced best results with a 58.5? wire tossed about 25? up a tree with
>> a 16.5? counterpoise.  I ran the same length wire from my house to the
>> workshop, grounded the shield side of the cable, and have seen similar
>> results to the field setup.
>>
>> Is there some engineering/design factor of the KX2 for this type of
>> antenna setup?  I am planning to setup a Dipole at home, but as a newbie am
>> wondering if the ?ideal? Ham Dipole can be expected to improve performance.
>>
>> Keeping Watch-
>> shu
>>
>> Joe Shuman
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From mike.flowers at gmail.com  Thu Oct 10 22:26:25 2019
From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 16:26:25 -1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
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Extra Class licensees vs. Extra Class Operators ... huge delta there ...

-- 73 de Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!"

> On Oct 10, 2019, at 4:12 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I used my Johnson Matchbox at our Field Day event about 3 years ago.   I went through each band and several frequencies on each band and compiled a written chart identifying the settings for each band/frequency.    After 2 hours of trying to work stations on 20M,  the radio failed and they came to wake me from my late night nap.   The result is the Matchbox was adjusted for 80M in the CW portion and the operators were complaining of high SWR and no power output on 20M.   It took 2 hrs for them to observe this?    I was amazed at the number of "Extra Class" operators at the site that thought the tuner was automatic and would change with band / frequency changes on the radio.  The radio by the way WAS NOT an Elecraft product.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10/10/2019 7:35 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Joe,
>> 
>> I agree completely, bring your Johnson Matchbox to the next Field Day! Or even your old plug-in coil open frame link coupled balanced tuner.
>> 
>> Who has a link coupled tuner (like the Johnson Matchbox) these days? Those are big boat anchor box these days (and hard to find).  I have one that sees little use, but I am not willing to part with it.  It does a good job when needed.
>> 
>> Most autotuners are of the L-network design and the manual tuners are typically T-network - the L-network can be a high pass or a low pass filter, but the more common T-network is always a high pass filter.  If one has an old Collins tuner, it may be a Pi-network which is a low pass filter.
>> 
>> As you pointed out, the link coupled tuner is a bandpass filter, but fixed tune bandpass filters will do just as well for multi-station operation.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>> 
> 
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From n4pl at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 10 22:32:12 2019
From: n4pl at yahoo.com (N4PL)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 02:32:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] FS:  KPA500 + KAT500
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I recently upgraded to KPA1500 but kept the '500 as a spare.Finally, I decided to let it find a good home.
$2000 plus shipping
or a local pick-up in Atlanta area.
The PA and the tuner are in a great shape.? Look brand new.? Never had any problems.K3 cables are included.
Will send photos on request.
73, Wald N4PL
n4pl at yahoo.com ?(770) 765-5646? 



From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Oct 10 23:31:25 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 20:31:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
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On 10/10/2019 4:56 PM, Al Lorona wrote:

> an undue fear of noise, which some hams have, 

NO fear of noise is undue. It is EVERYWHERE, and it gets worse every day!

73, Jim K9YC


From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Fri Oct 11 01:54:31 2019
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 08:54:31 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
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Things I?ve learned by experience:

In 63 years as a ham, I?ve had several :-) HF antennas. The ones that gave me the greatest overall satisfaction have been balanced, horizontal antennas. The worst have been verticals with inadequate radial systems or low random-length wires. Inverted Vs with angles less than 90 degrees between the wires are not much good, either.

There is no simpler way to make an efficient multiband antenna than to feed a dipole of at least 1/2 wavelength at the lowest frequency with open wire line. With some care in choosing the length of the line, a 1/4 wave dipole can work almost as well. I?ve worked over 300 countries on CW in the last 5 years on the bands from 40-10m with a 10m long rotary dipole, in an urban area (it is up 35m on a building and I run a kW, I admit). I regularly bust pileups on 40m with it.

1:1 baluns work to feed open wire lines, but can become inefficient in some circumstances and heat up. It?s possible to solve this by compensating for reactance with a pair of capacitors or inductors before the balun, but a better solution is a true balanced antenna tuner. 

?True Ladder Line? is a good product, but it?s easy to make your own, and you can use no. 12 (2 mm) wire for lower loss.

Sometimes a 4:1 balun may give a better match, but it will be less efficient (heat) and do a poorer job of keeping RF out of the shack.

Nothing has worked better for me at cleaning up RF in the shack than an old Johnson Matchbox, a true balanced tuner.

Victor 4X6GP 

> On 10 Oct 2019, at 23:56, Lyn Norstad <Lyn at lnainc.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm having great success with a horizontal center-fed "dipole" that has been sized (360 feet long) to be an Extended Double Zepp (4.7 dbi gain) and cut for the low end of 80 meters.  I feed it with 600 ohm "True" Ladder Line from a Balun Designs Hybrid Balun (1:1 Current and 4:1 Voltage all in one case).  A short run of coax from the balun to my KAT500, and I am in business at any frequency on 160 - 6 meters.
> 
> It's oriented to be an effective NVIS radiator in a N-S pattern on 80m, by design, and to have major lobes on the other bands in other directions - also by design.  For me, it's the most efficient and effective way to utilize our lot space (400 feet clear) and still be "under the radar" in our HOA.
> 
> Birds seem to like it, and I find that it seems to be especially attractive to Hummingbirds, my XYL's favorites.  A win-win, in my book.
> 
> 73
> Lyn, W?LEN
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Al Lorona
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 3:25 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; David Gilbert
> Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
> 
> My experience with single vertical or sloping wires is exactly the same as AB7E's. I have, over almost twice as many Field Days as Dave, come to a similar conclusion, with the slight difference being my preference for an "all-band dipole" fed with balanced line. This obviates the balun and reduces feedline loss to negligible, so obviously I am maximizing efficiency at the expense of any other possible advantage. (I can usually hear much better than I can be heard... so thus far this has been a valid decision.)
> 
> To sum up what I and what I think Dave are saying, you can't beat a horizontal, center-fed wire up as high as you can get it. Its simplicity, the flexibility it gives you to QSY (with a good tuner), and its high efficiency are almost unbeatable.
> 
> As a side note, the center-fed horizontal wire I have used here at home is totally non-resonant. I don't even know how long it is. Once you give up the obsession with resonant antenna length, you gain a huge freedom of choice.
> 
> In the bottom of the sunspot cycle, these advantages are somewhat reduced because an op, especially on Field Day, might opt to forget about any band higher than 20 meters -- and these days even 20 is questionable. This means you can probably make do with coaxial cable and a balun for operation on 2 or 3 bands but the general idea still holds.
> 
> Al  W6LX
> 
> 
>> Yes, a center fed normal dipole with the middle (high current portion) 
>> higher off the ground (say 50 feet for 40m) and a common mode choke at 
>> the feedpoint would almost assuredly perform better. 
>> 
>> 73,
>> Dave   AB7E
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Fri Oct 11 01:59:42 2019
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 08:59:42 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
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You bet. The Johnson Matchbox is as good as any expensive band pass filter.

Victor 4X6GP 

> On 11 Oct 2019, at 2:57, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> The one "multiband" antenna one can use in a multi-transmitter
> configuration is the flat-top with open wire feeders and a
> *Link coupled* tuner.  The link coupled tuner is a bandpass filter
> that significantly reduces harmonic/broadband noise just like the
> "Q" of a single band antenna.
> 
> 73,
> 
>   ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
>> On 2019-10-10 7:44 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Bob,
>> Bandpass filters at each station will help a lot, but they do not have infinite out of band rejection.
>> There is still a huge benefit with single band antennas.  My club uses both.
>> Last Field Day (3F operation) one station got on the air with a multiband vertical, and all other operators jumped on that operator to shut him down quickly!  The multi-band antenna radiated harmonics of the radio.  Even though the transmitter met the -43 dB harmonic required by the FCC, the proximity of the multiband antenna to other antennas caused problems (that station was not using a bandpass filter).
>> So for Field Day multi-station operation, single band antennas, bandpass filters and transmitters with low phase noise are important.  We were not able to orient the antennas end to end due to space considerations at the EOC site, so we had to compromise on that, which makes the other factors very important.
>> I need to point out that as an experiment, a 2nd station used an antenna on 20 meters separated from the main 20 meters, and we were able to operate one on CW (K3) at the same time as the other station (Icom) used digital and SSB modes.  We had some mutual interference, but it was minimal.  The K3 did not interfere much with the Icom due to the K3's low phase noise, but the Icom did raise the background noise level on the K3.
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
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From richard.corfield at gmail.com  Fri Oct 11 02:31:22 2019
From: richard.corfield at gmail.com (Richard Corfield)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 07:31:22 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
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I don't do field day. I've been using monoband dipoles so far for portable
operations due to cost and weight constraints. They work incredibly well,
and I hope to go out with a high Q antenna for 30m and a long pole to try
end fed vertical. (My long pole seems stuck in the post! Courier emailed.).
That said, an antenna which really should be 30m only due to its resonant
matching circuit can be operated on neighbouring bands using the KX3's
tuner. I've had contacts over reasonable distance on 40m with it.

The multiband antennae seem attractive for things like SOTA and single
station operation. At the moment I need to drop my antenna and change links
around to change band. It doesn't take too long to be fair. I'll experiment
with a multiband off centre fed antenna which, even if it ends up too heavy
to carry up a mountain, could make a useful home station antenna. At the
moment my portable setup is set up in the garden but I wonder how well the
home made antenna will stand up to our increasingly winter weather.

 - Richard


On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 at 00:57, Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Fair enough, but it kinda goes without saying that in a group FD with 1
> station per band they'll use resonant, single-band antennas. If this is our
> best argument against the 'multiband dipole', then that antenna still holds
> its own pretty well in a multitude of other situations.
>
> I have always found a deep resistance and opposition to this antenna.
> Whether it's an unwillingness to use antenna tuners, which many hams have,
> or an undue fear of noise, which some hams have, or a belief that open-wire
> line is noisier/weirder/harder/impossible-to-go-through-walls, which many
> hams believe, the visceral reaction against this antenna always amazes and
> baffles me.
>
> Please forgive my belligerence... the Dodgers lost and I've been in a sour
> mood all day.
>
> Al  W6LX
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From d.cutter at ntlworld.com  Fri Oct 11 06:55:10 2019
From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (CUTTER DAVID)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 11:55:10 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Antenna Curiosity
In-Reply-To: <9b981baf-0f80-5459-4b50-c5a95af31837@blomand.net>
References: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>
	<CAPDwUVySc4ZyTyBahfZR=ZY+iVJHMDSabYCm=irSLiXXzbHbTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b981baf-0f80-5459-4b50-c5a95af31837@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <1222938531.4408175.1570791310305@mail2.virginmedia.com>

I'd like to suggest that one very good reason for using centre-fed and external matching unit is because the harmonic pickup from nearby stations is much reduced compared to multi-band antennas.  This is best implemented when the antenna is as near perfectly balanced as possible to avoid feedline pickup.  A *proper* choke to cancel out-of-balance currents should be helpful in this regard. 

For single station field days, I've used the Spiderbeam 807 off-centre-fed inverted V dipole on a f/g pole which is a fast way to get on air without an external matching unit to fiddle with. Common mode current is virtually zero. It's a great solution for beginners reducing the fiddle factor, ie plug and play KISS.  Less to carry out into the field as well. 

David G3UNA/G6CP

From ardrhi at gmail.com  Fri Oct 11 07:07:32 2019
From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 07:07:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Antenna Curiosity
In-Reply-To: <1222938531.4408175.1570791310305@mail2.virginmedia.com>
References: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>
	<CAPDwUVySc4ZyTyBahfZR=ZY+iVJHMDSabYCm=irSLiXXzbHbTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b981baf-0f80-5459-4b50-c5a95af31837@blomand.net>
	<1222938531.4408175.1570791310305@mail2.virginmedia.com>
Message-ID: <CA+nQa2NuPO2OkYQZGqPg33oMvEW0=sobaQRP7OLaw8gGejtSJw@mail.gmail.com>

I have a KX3 instead of a KX2, but I frequently go out in the field to play
radio at local parks and other scenic spots. I have a number of antennas,
but one of my favorites is one I built recently, a link dipole for 40, 30,
and 20. It's tuned for the CW portions of the bands, so it doesn't need
much tuning, but if I want to work phone I hit the internal tuner just to
tweak it a little bit. I suspend it on top of a 20-foot telescopic
fiberglass pole from SOTABeams, secured in a drive-on mount and held down
by one of the tires of my E-150 conversion van. I run it in inverted-V
configuration, using stakes or photographers' sandbags at the far ends if
the location doesn't like stakes.

I didn't bother with baluns or anything. I just wired the coax to the
midpoint and trimmed it up that way using an analyzer. I get good results
with it on CW or phone, easily going from the Philadelphia suburbs to the
Michigan Upper Penninsula on 40m phone with 10 watts. If I find that I'm
getting stray RF, I have a big isolator choke I can run the line through
that clobbers it nicely.

73,
Gwen, NG3P

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 6:55 AM CUTTER DAVID via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> I'd like to suggest that one very good reason for using centre-fed and
> external matching unit is because the harmonic pickup from nearby stations
> is much reduced compared to multi-band antennas.  This is best implemented
> when the antenna is as near perfectly balanced as possible to avoid
> feedline pickup.  A *proper* choke to cancel out-of-balance currents should
> be helpful in this regard.
>
> For single station field days, I've used the Spiderbeam 807 off-centre-fed
> inverted V dipole on a f/g pole which is a fast way to get on air without
> an external matching unit to fiddle with. Common mode current is virtually
> zero. It's a great solution for beginners reducing the fiddle factor, ie
> plug and play KISS.  Less to carry out into the field as well.
>
> David G3UNA/G6CP
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From rich at wc3t.us  Fri Oct 11 07:17:33 2019
From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 07:17:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Antenna Curiosity
In-Reply-To: <CA+nQa2NuPO2OkYQZGqPg33oMvEW0=sobaQRP7OLaw8gGejtSJw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>
	<CAPDwUVySc4ZyTyBahfZR=ZY+iVJHMDSabYCm=irSLiXXzbHbTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b981baf-0f80-5459-4b50-c5a95af31837@blomand.net>
	<1222938531.4408175.1570791310305@mail2.virginmedia.com>
	<CA+nQa2NuPO2OkYQZGqPg33oMvEW0=sobaQRP7OLaw8gGejtSJw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABYU7WhSTCeBEcdRo-N9xDxdGROO4QinnJEBMm-m_foKdoNELw@mail.gmail.com>

Simple is good

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 07:07 Gwen Patton <ardrhi at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a KX3 instead of a KX2, but I frequently go out in the field to play
> radio at local parks and other scenic spots. I have a number of antennas,
> but one of my favorites is one I built recently, a link dipole for 40, 30,
> and 20. It's tuned for the CW portions of the bands, so it doesn't need
> much tuning, but if I want to work phone I hit the internal tuner just to
> tweak it a little bit. I suspend it on top of a 20-foot telescopic
> fiberglass pole from SOTABeams, secured in a drive-on mount and held down
> by one of the tires of my E-150 conversion van. I run it in inverted-V
> configuration, using stakes or photographers' sandbags at the far ends if
> the location doesn't like stakes.
>
> I didn't bother with baluns or anything. I just wired the coax to the
> midpoint and trimmed it up that way using an analyzer. I get good results
> with it on CW or phone, easily going from the Philadelphia suburbs to the
> Michigan Upper Penninsula on 40m phone with 10 watts. If I find that I'm
> getting stray RF, I have a big isolator choke I can run the line through
> that clobbers it nicely.
>
> 73,
> Gwen, NG3P
>
> On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 6:55 AM CUTTER DAVID via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
> > I'd like to suggest that one very good reason for using centre-fed and
> > external matching unit is because the harmonic pickup from nearby
> stations
> > is much reduced compared to multi-band antennas.  This is best
> implemented
> > when the antenna is as near perfectly balanced as possible to avoid
> > feedline pickup.  A *proper* choke to cancel out-of-balance currents
> should
> > be helpful in this regard.
> >
> > For single station field days, I've used the Spiderbeam 807
> off-centre-fed
> > inverted V dipole on a f/g pole which is a fast way to get on air without
> > an external matching unit to fiddle with. Common mode current is
> virtually
> > zero. It's a great solution for beginners reducing the fiddle factor, ie
> > plug and play KISS.  Less to carry out into the field as well.
> >
> > David G3UNA/G6CP
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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>
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*FN20is*

From ray2.s at btinternet.com  Fri Oct 11 08:16:34 2019
From: ray2.s at btinternet.com (Ray Spreadbury)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 13:16:34 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K$ Delivery Europe
Message-ID: <00aa01d5802d$b9ba5de0$2d2f19a0$@btinternet.com>

Well,... I was the one who made the $ typo accidentally in the first place
but I too thought it a bit tongue in cheek & appropriate, so I did not
correct it. 

Someone else has made the later Euope typo!

Ray G3XLG


From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Fri Oct 11 08:32:56 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 05:32:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
In-Reply-To: <B649F4AC-1C1F-45C0-AEC0-0D6245B38BFC@gmail.com>
References: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>
	<d12ddd6d-3b13-3734-394c-3771f9eafb31@cis-broadband.com> <1073959895.
	580699.1570739088188@mail.yahoo.com>
	<105e01d57fad$3d95b9b0$b8c12d10$@LNAINC.com>
	<B649F4AC-1C1F-45C0-AEC0-0D6245B38BFC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <85c9eb55-54f9-372a-26de-f01554966b99@triconet.org>

I don't suppose your callsign has anything to do with the success of your 
antennas.:-)

Wes? N7WS

On 10/10/2019 10:54 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:
> Things I?ve learned by experience:
>
> In 63 years as a ham, I?ve had several :-) HF antennas. The ones that gave me the greatest overall satisfaction have been balanced, horizontal antennas. The worst have been verticals with inadequate radial systems or low random-length wires. Inverted Vs with angles less than 90 degrees between the wires are not much good, either.
>
> There is no simpler way to make an efficient multiband antenna than to feed a dipole of at least 1/2 wavelength at the lowest frequency with open wire line. With some care in choosing the length of the line, a 1/4 wave dipole can work almost as well. I?ve worked over 300 countries on CW in the last 5 years on the bands from 40-10m with a 10m long rotary dipole, in an urban area (it is up 35m on a building and I run a kW, I admit). I regularly bust pileups on 40m with it.
>
> 1:1 baluns work to feed open wire lines, but can become inefficient in some circumstances and heat up. It?s possible to solve this by compensating for reactance with a pair of capacitors or inductors before the balun, but a better solution is a true balanced antenna tuner.
>
> ?True Ladder Line? is a good product, but it?s easy to make your own, and you can use no. 12 (2 mm) wire for lower loss.
>
> Sometimes a 4:1 balun may give a better match, but it will be less efficient (heat) and do a poorer job of keeping RF out of the shack.
>
> Nothing has worked better for me at cleaning up RF in the shack than an old Johnson Matchbox, a true balanced tuner.
>
> Victor 4X6GP


From hs0zed at gmail.com  Fri Oct 11 09:58:19 2019
From: hs0zed at gmail.com (Martin Sole)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 20:58:19 +0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
In-Reply-To: <85c9eb55-54f9-372a-26de-f01554966b99@triconet.org>
References: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>
	<d12ddd6d-3b13-3734-394c-3771f9eafb31@cis-broadband.com> <1073959895.
	580699.1570739088188@mail.yahoo.com>
	<105e01d57fad$3d95b9b0$b8c12d10$@LNAINC.com>
	<B649F4AC-1C1F-45C0-AEC0-0D6245B38BFC@gmail.com>
	<85c9eb55-54f9-372a-26de-f01554966b99@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <e5e92e94-26c0-6350-ce1c-4a492fbb39de@gmail.com>

Ha ha, that's a good one, I too have a 20dB callsign. Not always but I'm 
sure on occasion it helps. I often get 10 to 20 over nine reports 
running 100 watts to a 2 element (Force 12 C3 @ 24m) from Europe when 
more powerful stations from there make only 5-6 to 5-7 here.

Martin, HS0ZED



On 11/10/2019 19:32, Wes wrote:
> I don't suppose your callsign has anything to do with the success of 
> your antennas.:-)
>
> Wes? N7WS
>
> On 10/10/2019 10:54 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:
>> Things I?ve learned by experience:
>>
>> In 63 years as a ham, I?ve had several :-) HF antennas. The ones that 
>> gave me the greatest overall satisfaction have been balanced, 
>> horizontal antennas. The worst have been verticals with inadequate 
>> radial systems or low random-length wires. Inverted Vs with angles 
>> less than 90 degrees between the wires are not much good, either.
>>
>> There is no simpler way to make an efficient multiband antenna than 
>> to feed a dipole of at least 1/2 wavelength at the lowest frequency 
>> with open wire line. With some care in choosing the length of the 
>> line, a 1/4 wave dipole can work almost as well. I?ve worked over 300 
>> countries on CW in the last 5 years on the bands from 40-10m with a 
>> 10m long rotary dipole, in an urban area (it is up 35m on a building 
>> and I run a kW, I admit). I regularly bust pileups on 40m with it.
>>
>> 1:1 baluns work to feed open wire lines, but can become inefficient 
>> in some circumstances and heat up. It?s possible to solve this by 
>> compensating for reactance with a pair of capacitors or inductors 
>> before the balun, but a better solution is a true balanced antenna 
>> tuner.
>>
>> ?True Ladder Line? is a good product, but it?s easy to make your own, 
>> and you can use no. 12 (2 mm) wire for lower loss.
>>
>> Sometimes a 4:1 balun may give a better match, but it will be less 
>> efficient (heat) and do a poorer job of keeping RF out of the shack.
>>
>> Nothing has worked better for me at cleaning up RF in the shack than 
>> an old Johnson Matchbox, a true balanced tuner.
>>
>> Victor 4X6GP
>
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From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Fri Oct 11 11:52:34 2019
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 10:52:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
In-Reply-To: <63802e7d-934c-c1a6-5732-f6fc63afbf12@gmail.com>
References: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>	<d12ddd6d-3b13-3734-394c-3771f9eafb31@cis-broadband.com>	<1073959895.580699.1570739088188@mail.yahoo.com>	<105e01d57fad$3d95b9b0$b8c12d10$@LNAINC.com>
	<63802e7d-934c-c1a6-5732-f6fc63afbf12@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <122701d5804b$e65facb0$b31f0610$@LNAINC.com>

Rick -

You may have a balun issue. I had problems too until I switched to the 1:1 / 4:1 hybrid (based on antenna analyzer measurements).  And now, 160m matches fine for me.  In fact, I made over 200 contacts (FT8, and mostly stateside) on 160m last week.  

The KAT500 is "supposedly" limited to matching up to a 10:1 SWR.  That added 4:1 balun really brought the 160m impedance down to a manageable (and matchable) level. 

My ladder line feed is about 160 feet, then the balun, and finally about 13 feet of RG8XU to the KAT500.

73
Lyn, W?LEN

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick WA6NHC
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 6:17 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

I have over 200 countries on a similar antenna, though I had to use 
another tuner than the KAT500, for 160M. Average height was about 35'.

Just keep the coax short, like under 10' and as much center fed wire as 
you can put in the air, it'll play.  It won't rock your world, it'll 
make you work for some of the DX, but that teaches patience and 
operating technique, still win-win.

Rick nhc


On 10/10/2019 1:56 PM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
> I'm having great success with a horizontal center-fed "dipole" that has been sized (360 feet long) to be an Extended Double Zepp (4.7 dbi gain) and cut for the low end of 80 meters.  I feed it with 600 ohm "True" Ladder Line from a Balun Designs Hybrid Balun (1:1 Current and 4:1 Voltage all in one case).  A short run of coax from the balun to my KAT500, and I am in business at any frequency on 160 - 6 meters.
>
> It's oriented to be an effective NVIS radiator in a N-S pattern on 80m, by design, and to have major lobes on the other bands in other directions - also by design.  For me, it's the most efficient and effective way to utilize our lot space (400 feet clear) and still be "under the radar" in our HOA.
>
> Birds seem to like it, and I find that it seems to be especially attractive to Hummingbirds, my XYL's favorites.  A win-win, in my book.
>
> 73
> Lyn, W?LEN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Al Lorona
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 3:25 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; David Gilbert
> Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
>
> My experience with single vertical or sloping wires is exactly the same as AB7E's. I have, over almost twice as many Field Days as Dave, come to a similar conclusion, with the slight difference being my preference for an "all-band dipole" fed with balanced line. This obviates the balun and reduces feedline loss to negligible, so obviously I am maximizing efficiency at the expense of any other possible advantage. (I can usually hear much better than I can be heard... so thus far this has been a valid decision.)
>
> To sum up what I and what I think Dave are saying, you can't beat a horizontal, center-fed wire up as high as you can get it. Its simplicity, the flexibility it gives you to QSY (with a good tuner), and its high efficiency are almost unbeatable.
>
> As a side note, the center-fed horizontal wire I have used here at home is totally non-resonant. I don't even know how long it is. Once you give up the obsession with resonant antenna length, you gain a huge freedom of choice.
>
> In the bottom of the sunspot cycle, these advantages are somewhat reduced because an op, especially on Field Day, might opt to forget about any band higher than 20 meters -- and these days even 20 is questionable. This means you can probably make do with coaxial cable and a balun for operation on 2 or 3 bands but the general idea still holds.
>
> Al  W6LX
>
>
>> Yes, a center fed normal dipole with the middle (high current portion)
>> higher off the ground (say 50 feet for 40m) and a common mode choke at
>> the feedpoint would almost assuredly perform better.
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave   AB7E
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From eric at elecraft.com  Fri Oct 11 12:20:27 2019
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 09:20:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
In-Reply-To: <122701d5804b$e65facb0$b31f0610$@LNAINC.com>
References: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>
	<d12ddd6d-3b13-3734-394c-3771f9eafb31@cis-broadband.com>
	<1073959895.580699.1570739088188@mail.yahoo.com>
	<105e01d57fad$3d95b9b0$b8c12d10$@LNAINC.com>
	<63802e7d-934c-c1a6-5732-f6fc63afbf12@gmail.com>
	<122701d5804b$e65facb0$b31f0610$@LNAINC.com>
Message-ID: <b90533f6-1c10-0ef8-1b24-4dad15f8866b@elecraft.com>

Wow! We're way over the single topic posting limit on this thread. Let's end it 
for now in the interest of helping others survive email overload.

73,
Eric
/mooderator.. elecraft.com/

On 10/11/2019 8:52 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
> Rick -
>
> You may have a balun issue. I had problems too until I switched to the 1:1 / 4:1 hybrid (based on antenna analyzer measurements).  And now, 160m matches fine for me.  In fact, I made over 200 contacts (FT8, and mostly stateside) on 160m last week.
>
> The KAT500 is "supposedly" limited to matching up to a 10:1 SWR.  That added 4:1 balun really brought the 160m impedance down to a manageable (and matchable) level.
>
> My ladder line feed is about 160 feet, then the balun, and finally about 13 feet of RG8XU to the KAT500.
>
> 73
> Lyn, W?LEN
>


From wa6nhc at gmail.com  Fri Oct 11 12:20:48 2019
From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 09:20:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
In-Reply-To: <122701d5804b$e65facb0$b31f0610$@LNAINC.com>
References: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>
	<d12ddd6d-3b13-3734-394c-3771f9eafb31@cis-broadband.com>
	<1073959895.580699.1570739088188@mail.yahoo.com>
	<105e01d57fad$3d95b9b0$b8c12d10$@LNAINC.com>
	<63802e7d-934c-c1a6-5732-f6fc63afbf12@gmail.com>
	<122701d5804b$e65facb0$b31f0610$@LNAINC.com>
Message-ID: <9d127919-440d-4f47-3565-ef61000ca399@gmail.com>

Lyn,

That was at the old QTH in CA, here I'm using an inverted L for most 
bands (temporarily) and a dipole for 80M (which came down in a 
windstorm, couldn't take the weight of the 10' branch that hit it).? The 
match for 80M on the L is well beyond the range of the KAT500.

I'm shifting to a SteppIR DB36 (80-6M) and will single band the Inverted 
L.? The tower is up, I'm assembling the antenna now, in a race to beat 
winter (already snowed twice in the last two weeks).

Next year, I'll make a new L in a better location and add a tuning 
circuit to the L to allow it to resonate on 80/160M, giving me an option 
for 80, rotatable dipole or vertical (and two RBOG) or diversity a few 
different ways. Because of the lower noise here, the L plays well on 
160M and I've enjoyed spending considerable time on the band.

My original point was to encourage simply putting up some wire; it will 
radiate and it's a cheap and fun way to learn.? Center fed makes it much 
easier to tame (but that depends on what each leg is near too).? Because 
of local conditions (and lack of height), my dipole was 370', ~60' of 
450 ohm window line, 4:1 common mode choke, 10' of coax.? It had plenty 
of pointy pattern spikes, not always in the needed direction and on 40M 
it absolutely ROCKED.? It was specifically NON-resonant on any ham band 
yet provided some gain on most bands, once the tuner managed the load.

Even the existing (will be moved/rebuilt next spring) 160M Inverted L 
was a 20 minute install that shouldn't work(but gave me over 100 Top 
Band DX contacts last winter); simply a piece of wire over a tree (at 
65'), a 1:1 CMC bonded to a water pipe for counterpoise (NOT efficient) 
and coax to the shack.? It's brought a lot of fun to ham radio (now that 
I can hear without sub/urban noise).

73,
Rick wa6nhc
North Idaho

On 10/11/2019 8:52 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
> Rick -
>
> You may have a balun issue. I had problems too until I switched to the 1:1 / 4:1 hybrid (based on antenna analyzer measurements).  And now, 160m matches fine for me.  In fact, I made over 200 contacts (FT8, and mostly stateside) on 160m last week.
>
> The KAT500 is "supposedly" limited to matching up to a 10:1 SWR.  That added 4:1 balun really brought the 160m impedance down to a manageable (and matchable) level.
>
> My ladder line feed is about 160 feet, then the balun, and finally about 13 feet of RG8XU to the KAT500.
>
> 73
> Lyn, W?LEN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick WA6NHC
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 6:17 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
>
> I have over 200 countries on a similar antenna, though I had to use
> another tuner than the KAT500, for 160M. Average height was about 35'.
>
> Just keep the coax short, like under 10' and as much center fed wire as
> you can put in the air, it'll play.  It won't rock your world, it'll
> make you work for some of the DX, but that teaches patience and
> operating technique, still win-win.
>
> Rick nhc
>
>
> On 10/10/2019 1:56 PM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
>> I'm having great success with a horizontal center-fed "dipole" that has been sized (360 feet long) to be an Extended Double Zepp (4.7 dbi gain) and cut for the low end of 80 meters.  I feed it with 600 ohm "True" Ladder Line from a Balun Designs Hybrid Balun (1:1 Current and 4:1 Voltage all in one case).  A short run of coax from the balun to my KAT500, and I am in business at any frequency on 160 - 6 meters.
>>
>> It's oriented to be an effective NVIS radiator in a N-S pattern on 80m, by design, and to have major lobes on the other bands in other directions - also by design.  For me, it's the most efficient and effective way to utilize our lot space (400 feet clear) and still be "under the radar" in our HOA.
>>
>> Birds seem to like it, and I find that it seems to be especially attractive to Hummingbirds, my XYL's favorites.  A win-win, in my book.
>>
>> 73
>> Lyn, W?LEN
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Al Lorona
>> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 3:25 PM
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; David Gilbert
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
>>
>> My experience with single vertical or sloping wires is exactly the same as AB7E's. I have, over almost twice as many Field Days as Dave, come to a similar conclusion, with the slight difference being my preference for an "all-band dipole" fed with balanced line. This obviates the balun and reduces feedline loss to negligible, so obviously I am maximizing efficiency at the expense of any other possible advantage. (I can usually hear much better than I can be heard... so thus far this has been a valid decision.)
>>
>> To sum up what I and what I think Dave are saying, you can't beat a horizontal, center-fed wire up as high as you can get it. Its simplicity, the flexibility it gives you to QSY (with a good tuner), and its high efficiency are almost unbeatable.
>>
>> As a side note, the center-fed horizontal wire I have used here at home is totally non-resonant. I don't even know how long it is. Once you give up the obsession with resonant antenna length, you gain a huge freedom of choice.
>>
>> In the bottom of the sunspot cycle, these advantages are somewhat reduced because an op, especially on Field Day, might opt to forget about any band higher than 20 meters -- and these days even 20 is questionable. This means you can probably make do with coaxial cable and a balun for operation on 2 or 3 bands but the general idea still holds.
>>
>> Al  W6LX
>>
>>
>>> Yes, a center fed normal dipole with the middle (high current portion)
>>> higher off the ground (say 50 feet for 40m) and a common mode choke at
>>> the feedpoint would almost assuredly perform better.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Dave   AB7E
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From clark.macaulay at gmail.com  Fri Oct 11 12:33:19 2019
From: clark.macaulay at gmail.com (Clark Macaulay)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 12:33:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] DXE Clifton Labs Z10000 Buffer Amp
In-Reply-To: <6ddd7bcc-e7c2-e95e-85e1-0ea44c4be50b@embarqmail.com>
References: <1083423237.5947.1570726959146@wamui-fatboy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<CA+KWkDhXKxJZ+ty0wjRF0ts0jAGVhfyhD8QjXbNP=7UoTjfVrg@mail.gmail.com>
	<6ddd7bcc-e7c2-e95e-85e1-0ea44c4be50b@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <184A5B8F-C9E0-449D-BC78-C0F41F83642C@gmail.com>

Thanks for the tip, Don.  Been preparing coax cables for years the hard (and wrong) way.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 10, 2019, at 3:02 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Clark and all,
> 
> The secret to stripping the outer insulation from ANY coax (including the RG178) is to first score the outer insulation a bit (not trying to cut all the way to the shield), then bend the cable at the score mark which will stretch the insulation a bit - then a light touch with the blade will cause the insulation to split all the way down to the shield.
> Rotate the cable to the other side and do the 'bend and touch' thing again.  You should then be able to slide the insulation off the shield.
> 
> Separate the shield strands and split them into two groups - twist the strands on one half and cut the rest away.
> 
> You can do the same "score, bend and touch" operation to the center conductor if you do not have good wire cutters to strip it.  Do not nick the conductor, or it will break after it is soldered.
> 
> The other thing many hams do not realize is that the braid of the shield should NOT be filled with solder (making it stiff).  Solder only  the tip as far in as necessary to make the connection.  If soldered stiff, it will usually break either where it is soldered to the board or connector or at the point where the braid exits the coax.
> I have replaced the input coax on many KPA100s and KAT2s that were broken because the shield was soldered stiff.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 10/10/2019 2:27 PM, Clark Macaulay wrote:
>> Helps a lot, Jim.
>> Yes...you answered my question in that you have done it.  So, I'll set
>> aside a morning where I swear off coffee (steadier hands) and using a new
>> razor blade give it a try.  Didn't know the cable in the kit is RG178 which
>> is about 30% smaller than RG174.  I don't see anyplace on the board to tack
>> on a RG174 cable as the pads for the SMT components are so small.  It's
>> actually a beautiful board.

From ko5v at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 11 12:36:03 2019
From: ko5v at earthlink.net (Jim KO5V)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 10:36:03 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] DXE Clifton Labs Z10000 Buffer Amp
Message-ID: <1516799548.5360.1570811764098@wamui-berry.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Yes, me too...


>>Thanks for the tip, Don.  Been preparing coax cables for years the hard (and wrong) way.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 10, 2019, at 3:02 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Clark and all,
>> 
>> The secret to stripping the outer insulation from ANY coax (including the RG178) is to first score the outer insulation a bit (not trying to cut all the way to the shield), then bend the cable at the score mark which will stretch the insulation a bit - then a light touch with the blade will cause the insulation to split all the way down to the shield.
>> Rotate the cable to the other side and do the 'bend and touch' thing again.  You should then be able to slide the insulation off the shield.
>> 
>> Separate the shield strands and split them into two groups - twist the strands on one half and cut the rest away.
>> 
>> You can do the same "score, bend and touch" operation to the center conductor if you do not have good wire cutters to strip it.  Do not nick the conductor, or it will break after it is soldered.
>> 
>> The other thing many hams do not realize is that the braid of the shield should NOT be filled with solder (making it stiff).  Solder only  the tip as far in as necessary to make the connection.  If soldered stiff, it will usually break either where it is soldered to the board or connector or at the point where the braid exits the coax.
>> I have replaced the input coax on many KPA100s and KAT2s that were broken because the shield was soldered stiff.

From k2asp at kanafi.org  Fri Oct 11 13:33:06 2019
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 10:33:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
In-Reply-To: <85c9eb55-54f9-372a-26de-f01554966b99@triconet.org>
References: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>
	<d12ddd6d-3b13-3734-394c-3771f9eafb31@cis-broadband.com> <1073959895.
	580699.1570739088188@mail.yahoo.com>
	<105e01d57fad$3d95b9b0$b8c12d10$@LNAINC.com>
	<B649F4AC-1C1F-45C0-AEC0-0D6245B38BFC@gmail.com>
	<85c9eb55-54f9-372a-26de-f01554966b99@triconet.org>
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On 10/11/2019 5:32 AM, Wes wrote:

> I don't suppose your callsign [ 4X6GP ] has anything to do with the success of
> your antennas.:-)

When I was 4X4UQ in the mid-1960s I had to beat off the Europeans while
running 75 watts into a tri-bander about 1 meter above the roof of a
4-story cinder-black building.  Elecraft products weren't available yet
but the TX was a Hallicrafters HT32B, RX was a Hallicrafters SX101.  I
still got 55 countries in almost 2 years with just casual QSOs.

Those were the days!--

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Oct 11 13:34:27 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 10:34:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
In-Reply-To: <85c9eb55-54f9-372a-26de-f01554966b99@triconet.org>
References: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>
	<d12ddd6d-3b13-3734-394c-3771f9eafb31@cis-broadband.com> <1073959895.
	580699.1570739088188@mail.yahoo.com>
	<105e01d57fad$3d95b9b0$b8c12d10$@LNAINC.com>
	<B649F4AC-1C1F-45C0-AEC0-0D6245B38BFC@gmail.com>
	<85c9eb55-54f9-372a-26de-f01554966b99@triconet.org>
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On 10/11/2019 5:32 AM, Wes wrote:
> I don't suppose your callsign has anything to do with the success of 
> your antennas.

Vic's original call was K2VCO. As kids, we worked on 40M traffic nets 
before heading out to high school in the '50s. We reconnected about 15 
years ago after he and I had both moved to W6. Vic knows whereof he speaks.

73, Jim K9YC

From w3hvg at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 11 13:35:12 2019
From: w3hvg at yahoo.com (Patrick Taylor)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 17:35:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking to sell a 100 watt K3s and P3 in the
 Philadelphia,
 PA area. Excellent condition but I don't want to ship. W3HVG@yahoo.com
References: <1154275916.1088700.1570815312383.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1154275916.1088700.1570815312383@mail.yahoo.com>



From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Fri Oct 11 14:03:11 2019
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 10:03:11 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
Message-ID: <201910111803.x9BI3DUX023963@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>

A simple way to make a center-fed half-wave dipole multi-band is by 
using alligator clips to disconnect outer section a dipole in order 
to run on a higher freq band.

Simple make a dipole for the lowest freq of interest and then cut the 
wires at the length for the higher band, attach an alligator clip on 
the end of the shorter wires and connect the end wires to the shorter 
wires by use of a small nylon cord.

We made 80/40m dipoles for use on the Iditarod Sled Dog Race in this 
manner and its called an: "Iditarod Special".

Most of the remote checkpoint stations use this for an antenna 
running 100w HF radios to provide race communications support back to 
Anchorage HQ (Often distances of several hundred miles).  Often the 
temporary dipoles were hung pretty low to the ground so they operated NVIS.

Side Note: I just disconnected my old Drake MN-2000 tuner as the 
auto-tuner in my KXPA100 does the job easily.  I use either KX3 or K3 with it.

73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 


From joe at ioka.net  Fri Oct 11 14:29:02 2019
From: joe at ioka.net (Joseph Hall)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 14:29:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] F/S Elecraft W2 Wattmeter + three couplers
Message-ID: <CAAOs+ZANb1KM13Cu+6NFCdADaUaDBced6yrSDS1gbwey-YK0WA@mail.gmail.com>

For sale is one Elecraft W2 wattmeter in "like new condition" with all
three directional couplers (1.8-54 200W; 1.8-54 2000W; and 144-450 200W),
KXUSB cable, power cable with powerpoles on one end, and A/C adapter that
works with the W2.  Note that the directional couplers are the early
version that do not work with the P3 panadapter.

$300 shipped via USPS Priority Mail to US locations.  Payment via paypal
+3% or personal check (with delay until check clears).

Contact info:  Joe Hall (WB1M), 13 Low Road, Hanover, NH 03755.
Email: joe at ioka.net

Thanks!

From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Fri Oct 11 14:44:50 2019
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 11:44:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
In-Reply-To: <afdad6b7-dbcf-2705-dc44-1d91968b74a4@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-2DA2245472DD45ADA523DE7A8C41311B@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

In WVARA, we have very good success running several bands on the 
same antenna at the same time using triplexers. We set up our 
triband yagis parallel to each other so they are in each other's 
low-gain area. We have been able to operate CW, SSB, and digital 
on the same band at the same time.

The other things besides well-spaced antenna towers and the 
triplexer that make this operation possible are using radios 
with very good receivers and transmitters, currently only 
Elecraft and Flex are used, and operating QRP. Since we have 
scored in the top ten for the last 10 or so years, this is a 
successful formula.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 10/10/19 at 4:44 PM, donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote:

>Bandpass filters at each station will help a lot, but they do 
>not have infinite out of band rejection.
>There is still a huge benefit with single band antennas.  My club uses both.
>
>Last Field Day (3F operation) one station got on the air with a 
>multiband vertical, and all other operators jumped on that 
>operator to shut him down quickly!  The multi-band antenna 
>radiated harmonics of the radio.  Even though the transmitter 
>met the -43 dB harmonic required by the FCC, the proximity of 
>the multiband antenna to other antennas caused problems (that 
>station was not using a bandpass filter).
>
>So for Field Day multi-station operation, single band antennas, 
>bandpass filters and transmitters with low phase noise are 
>important.  We were not able to orient the antennas end to end 
>due to space considerations at the EOC site, so we had to 
>compromise on that, which makes the other factors very important.
>
>I need to point out that as an experiment, a 2nd station used 
>an antenna on 20 meters separated from the main 20 meters, and 
>we were able to operate one on CW (K3) at the same time as the 
>other station (Icom) used digital and SSB modes.  We had some 
>mutual interference, but it was minimal.  The K3 did not 
>interfere much with the Icom due to the K3's low phase noise, 
>but the Icom did raise the background noise level on the K3.
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From doug at kj0f.com  Fri Oct 11 15:19:54 2019
From: doug at kj0f.com (Doug Person)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 13:19:54 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
In-Reply-To: <C25F4DEE-5840-4512-8EB1-4418BB9ADFCA@gmail.com>
References: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>
	<d12ddd6d-3b13-3734-394c-3771f9eafb31@cis-broadband.com>
	<1073959895.580699.1570739088188@mail.yahoo.com>
	<6ce06353-0cbc-9cdd-694d-ae3d031640a8@foothill.net>
	<CAB_+R9Z8mwaPLcDYpbJrBhbtUbnoE0Axn68Bt1QZHH6Enr2t=A@mail.gmail.com>
	<ff6abcf0-d7f0-36ae-601e-28d3fe509b71@embarqmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTN9h+kNd=oEmx1D7qbs6CaUVwum7JSYc2f2mqe+q7MpCA@mail.gmail.com>
	<ecf20c0a-8e4e-de47-ba03-ccec5f6d47cb@blomand.net>
	<afdad6b7-dbcf-2705-dc44-1d91968b74a4@embarqmail.com>
	<b948dd38-dd45-e2e8-5324-0c903517e6f7@subich.com>
	<C25F4DEE-5840-4512-8EB1-4418BB9ADFCA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9d27e816-e506-6efd-7ff2-640a3fb720b8@kj0f.com>

Is there any modern-day equivalent to the old Johnson Matchbox? I use 
several different MFJ tuners with good results. My favorite is the 
"Differential-T" 986 which tunes everything with very little effort. I 
don't actually know how efficient it is but it tunes my 132' doublet fed 
with 450 ohm ladder line very well. I use the antenna mostly on 
160-80-60-40-30 where it seems to perform well. The ladder-line comes to 
a 1:1 high power balun just outside the shack and 10' of rg213 comes 
inside to the tuner. The only interesting observation is that it seems 
noisier? than my multi-band trapped dipole - as much as 1-2 s units 
sometimes. Otherwise, if I only had one antenna it would be the doublet. 
Very versatile. The tuner gives the rig a good under 1.5:1 match 160 
through 6.
73, Doug -- KJ?F

On 10/10/2019 11:59 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:
> You bet. The Johnson Matchbox is as good as any expensive band pass filter.
>
> Victor 4X6GP
>
>> On 11 Oct 2019, at 2:57, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> The one "multiband" antenna one can use in a multi-transmitter
>> configuration is the flat-top with open wire feeders and a
>> *Link coupled* tuner.  The link coupled tuner is a bandpass filter
>> that significantly reduces harmonic/broadband noise just like the
>> "Q" of a single band antenna.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>    ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>>> On 2019-10-10 7:44 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>> Bob,
>>> Bandpass filters at each station will help a lot, but they do not have infinite out of band rejection.
>>> There is still a huge benefit with single band antennas.  My club uses both.
>>> Last Field Day (3F operation) one station got on the air with a multiband vertical, and all other operators jumped on that operator to shut him down quickly!  The multi-band antenna radiated harmonics of the radio.  Even though the transmitter met the -43 dB harmonic required by the FCC, the proximity of the multiband antenna to other antennas caused problems (that station was not using a bandpass filter).
>>> So for Field Day multi-station operation, single band antennas, bandpass filters and transmitters with low phase noise are important.  We were not able to orient the antennas end to end due to space considerations at the EOC site, so we had to compromise on that, which makes the other factors very important.
>>> I need to point out that as an experiment, a 2nd station used an antenna on 20 meters separated from the main 20 meters, and we were able to operate one on CW (K3) at the same time as the other station (Icom) used digital and SSB modes.  We had some mutual interference, but it was minimal.  The K3 did not interfere much with the Icom due to the K3's low phase noise, but the Icom did raise the background noise level on the K3.
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
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From joe at ioka.net  Fri Oct 11 16:45:32 2019
From: joe at ioka.net (Joe Hall)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 16:45:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] F/S Elecraft W2 Wattmeter + three couplers SOLD
Message-ID: <000c01d58074$d3a27a20$7ae76e60$@ioka.net>

Item has been sold.
 
 
--
Joe Hall <joe at ioka.net>
 
 
From: Joseph Hall <joe at ioka.net> 
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 2:29 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: F/S Elecraft W2 Wattmeter + three couplers
 
For sale is one Elecraft W2 wattmeter in "like new condition" with all three directional couplers (1.8-54 200W; 1.8-54 2000W; and 144-450 200W), KXUSB cable, power cable with powerpoles on one end, and A/C adapter that works with the W2.  Note that the directional couplers are the early version that do not work with the P3 panadapter.

$300 shipped via USPS Priority Mail to US locations.  Payment via paypal +3% or personal check (with delay until check clears).  

Contact info:  Joe Hall (WB1M), 13 Low Road, Hanover, NH 03755.  
Email: joe at ioka.net <mailto:joe at ioka.net>   

Thanks!

From w2blc at nycap.rr.com  Fri Oct 11 17:00:15 2019
From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 17:00:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
In-Reply-To: <9d27e816-e506-6efd-7ff2-640a3fb720b8@kj0f.com>
References: <9d27e816-e506-6efd-7ff2-640a3fb720b8@kj0f.com>
Message-ID: <155977e1-5f39-633e-e33e-6dc7bdb135fb@nycap.rr.com>

Might I suggest a Common Mode Filter, such as that sold my myantennas.com?

My standby antenna is an endfed half-wave from the same source. It hangs 
from the eve corner and is noisy - the kind of noise that comes from 
today's modern household. I put a CMC Filter on it right at the bulkhead 
here in the shack. The antenna is now as quiet as my NVIS a hundred feet 
from the house - which is no local noise at all.

I have used the coax through the wall to a balun and 4" feeder with 
excellent success with a PalStar AT2KD (very similar to the MFJ tuner 
you mentioned).



From lists at subich.com  Fri Oct 11 19:54:58 2019
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 19:54:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
In-Reply-To: <9d27e816-e506-6efd-7ff2-640a3fb720b8@kj0f.com>
References: <2908BC5F-EC28-4133-9E04-D9217F1E8C62@icloud.com>
	<d12ddd6d-3b13-3734-394c-3771f9eafb31@cis-broadband.com>
	<1073959895.580699.1570739088188@mail.yahoo.com>
	<6ce06353-0cbc-9cdd-694d-ae3d031640a8@foothill.net>
	<CAB_+R9Z8mwaPLcDYpbJrBhbtUbnoE0Axn68Bt1QZHH6Enr2t=A@mail.gmail.com>
	<ff6abcf0-d7f0-36ae-601e-28d3fe509b71@embarqmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTN9h+kNd=oEmx1D7qbs6CaUVwum7JSYc2f2mqe+q7MpCA@mail.gmail.com>
	<ecf20c0a-8e4e-de47-ba03-ccec5f6d47cb@blomand.net>
	<afdad6b7-dbcf-2705-dc44-1d91968b74a4@embarqmail.com>
	<b948dd38-dd45-e2e8-5324-0c903517e6f7@subich.com>
	<C25F4DEE-5840-4512-8EB1-4418BB9ADFCA@gmail.com>
	<9d27e816-e506-6efd-7ff2-640a3fb720b8@kj0f.com>
Message-ID: <ac818cc4-2642-2ce0-0b66-167c36c5ae80@subich.com>


On 2019-10-11 3:19 PM, Doug Person wrote:
 >
> My favorite is the "Differential-T" 986 which tunes everything with
> very little effort. 

Any of the many "T" (single shunt coil, multiple series capacitors)
network tuners are high pass networks.  They do very little to
suppress harmonics and/or phase noise above the transmit frequency.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2019-10-11 3:19 PM, Doug Person wrote:
> Is there any modern-day equivalent to the old Johnson Matchbox? I use 
> several different MFJ tuners with good results. My favorite is the 
> "Differential-T" 986 which tunes everything with very little effort. I 
> don't actually know how efficient it is but it tunes my 132' doublet fed 
> with 450 ohm ladder line very well. I use the antenna mostly on 
> 160-80-60-40-30 where it seems to perform well. The ladder-line comes to 
> a 1:1 high power balun just outside the shack and 10' of rg213 comes 
> inside to the tuner. The only interesting observation is that it seems 
> noisier? than my multi-band trapped dipole - as much as 1-2 s units 
> sometimes. Otherwise, if I only had one antenna it would be the doublet. 
> Very versatile. The tuner gives the rig a good under 1.5:1 match 160 
> through 6.
> 73, Doug -- KJ?F
> 



From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Oct 11 21:51:11 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 18:51:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
In-Reply-To: <155977e1-5f39-633e-e33e-6dc7bdb135fb@nycap.rr.com>
References: <9d27e816-e506-6efd-7ff2-640a3fb720b8@kj0f.com>
	<155977e1-5f39-633e-e33e-6dc7bdb135fb@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <cdaadea6-d2cd-c407-b59a-0603e79ee079@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/11/2019 2:00 PM, Bill wrote:
> Might I suggest a Common Mode Filter, such as that sold my myantennas.com

All the mumbo-jumbo on that site tells me that they selling snake oil. 
FAR better, and much less expensive, wind your own using these 
guidelines. k9yc.com/2018Cookbook.pdf

73, Jim K9YC

From w2blc at nycap.rr.com  Sat Oct 12 08:43:55 2019
From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 08:43:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
In-Reply-To: <cdaadea6-d2cd-c407-b59a-0603e79ee079@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <cdaadea6-d2cd-c407-b59a-0603e79ee079@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <9d53cc2a-a544-ca13-c2a2-514b60451b9b@nycap.rr.com>

Of course you do! I was only reporting what I have found to be effective 
in my particular circumstance.

Further, not everyone has the manual dexterity or prowess to build 
things themselves - hence, they purchase as needed. Hopefully, without 
recrimination.

Bill W2BLC on the air for over 60 years!


From w2xj at w2xj.net  Sat Oct 12 09:24:43 2019
From: w2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 09:24:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas
In-Reply-To: <9d53cc2a-a544-ca13-c2a2-514b60451b9b@nycap.rr.com>
References: <9d53cc2a-a544-ca13-c2a2-514b60451b9b@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CA14B104-04EA-4221-A735-A9075E1F880A@w2xj.net>

Without context you are not making any sense. Quoted material would be considerate. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 12, 2019, at 08:45, Bill <w2blc at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Of course you do! I was only reporting what I have found to be effective in my particular circumstance.
> 
> Further, not everyone has the manual dexterity or prowess to build things themselves - hence, they purchase as needed. Hopefully, without recrimination.
> 
> Bill W2BLC on the air for over 60 years!
> 
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From len at ka7ftp.com  Sat Oct 12 13:58:34 2019
From: len at ka7ftp.com (len at ka7ftp.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 11:58:34 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Question for California Hams
Message-ID: <05db01d58126$aa748140$ff5d83c0$@ka7ftp.com>

Wondering if this is true:

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/california-officials-declare-ham-radio-no-longer-a-benefit-demands-ham-radio-repeater-infrastructure-to-be-removed

A friend sent me this.

Len

73

KA7FTP


From W2xj at w2xj.net  Sat Oct 12 14:18:27 2019
From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 14:18:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Question for California Hams
In-Reply-To: <05db01d58126$aa748140$ff5d83c0$@ka7ftp.com>
References: <05db01d58126$aa748140$ff5d83c0$@ka7ftp.com>
Message-ID: <BA4206FF-1D51-4AF5-894A-3428F0B613B1@w2xj.net>

Yes this came up on another list and there is a YouTube link.

https://youtu.be/lv2sb4LJq2g


Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 12, 2019, at 1:59 PM, len at ka7ftp.com wrote:
> 
> ?Wondering if this is true:
> 
> https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/california-officials-declare-ham-radio-no-longer-a-benefit-demands-ham-radio-repeater-infrastructure-to-be-removed
> 
> A friend sent me this.
> 
> Len
> 
> 73
> 
> KA7FTP
> 
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From n1al at sonic.net  Sat Oct 12 14:19:28 2019
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 11:19:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Question for California Hams
In-Reply-To: <05db01d58126$aa748140$ff5d83c0$@ka7ftp.com>
References: <05db01d58126$aa748140$ff5d83c0$@ka7ftp.com>
Message-ID: <6d39d29c05a9d36c39f928461e2257d5@sonic.net>

It sounds like one guy's rant to me.  He refers to a letter supposedly
sent by CAL FIRE, but gives no reference to back up the claim. 

In Sonoma County, California we have a 146.13/73 repeater system at the
County site on Sonoma Mountain that has been there for years.  I'm a
member of the local ACS (Auxiliary Communications Service, basically
RACES) but I have heard nothing about any changes to the repeater
status. 

CAL FIRE's Volunteers In Prevention (VIP) program uses specially-trained
Amateur Radio operators to assist CAL FIRE's efforts during wildland
fires and other emergencies.  It's been many years since I was involved,
but the program is still going strong as far as I know: 

https://www.fire.ca.gov/programs/communications/volunteers-in-prevention/


Alan N1AL 

On 2019-10-12 10:58, len at ka7ftp.com wrote:

> Wondering if this is true:
> 
> https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/california-officials-declare-ham-radio-no-longer-a-benefit-demands-ham-radio-repeater-infrastructure-to-be-removed
> 
> A friend sent me this.
> 
> Len
> 
> 73
> 
> KA7FTP

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sat Oct 12 14:24:43 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 14:24:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Question for California Hams
In-Reply-To: <BA4206FF-1D51-4AF5-894A-3428F0B613B1@w2xj.net>
References: <05db01d58126$aa748140$ff5d83c0$@ka7ftp.com>
	<BA4206FF-1D51-4AF5-894A-3428F0B613B1@w2xj.net>
Message-ID: <B860BE6A-5A9F-4AD9-87D8-7CAF0ED6B09E@gmail.com>

This has been generally debunked.  Apparently ONE California repeater operator was found to have not paid agreed to and billed tower and colocation fees for his repeater and got his shorts bunched up when they came after him.   He then began what is essentially a ?fake news? campaign (in the current terminology).  

YMMV, depending on your attraction to conspiracy theories ? 

Grant NQ5T
KX3 (8342)/KXPA100


> On Oct 12, 2019, at 2:18 PM, W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net> wrote:
> 
> Yes this came up on another list and there is a YouTube link.
> 
> https://youtu.be/lv2sb4LJq2g
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Oct 12, 2019, at 1:59 PM, len at ka7ftp.com wrote:
>> 
>> ?Wondering if this is true:
>> 
>> https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/california-officials-declare-ham-radio-no-longer-a-benefit-demands-ham-radio-repeater-infrastructure-to-be-removed
>> 
>> A friend sent me this.
>> 
>> Len
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> KA7FTP
>> 
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From ww3s at zoominternet.net  Sat Oct 12 14:30:15 2019
From: ww3s at zoominternet.net (WW3S)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 14:30:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Question for California Hams
In-Reply-To: <05db01d58126$aa748140$ff5d83c0$@ka7ftp.com>
References: <05db01d58126$aa748140$ff5d83c0$@ka7ftp.com>
Message-ID: <DC31851E-400B-46FF-94EA-AEB3D1D0D989@zoominternet.net>

Half truth....well maybe 1/4 truth....one, repeat ONE, repeater owner got a letter from a tower he was on, but didn?t own, that he would be charged rent going forward....he didn?t like it, and started all this crap....no ?officials? declared that ham radio was no longer a benefit....one guy , the repeater owner, started all this by posting on qrz.com a few weeks ago. His call was K6UDA. 


Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 12, 2019, at 1:58 PM, <len at ka7ftp.com> <len at ka7ftp.com> wrote:
> 
> Wondering if this is true:
> 
> https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/california-officials-declare-ham-radio-no-longer-a-benefit-demands-ham-radio-repeater-infrastructure-to-be-removed
> 
> A friend sent me this.
> 
> Len
> 
> 73
> 
> KA7FTP
> 
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From rick at tavan.com  Sat Oct 12 14:31:06 2019
From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 14:31:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Question for California Hams
In-Reply-To: <B860BE6A-5A9F-4AD9-87D8-7CAF0ED6B09E@gmail.com>
References: <05db01d58126$aa748140$ff5d83c0$@ka7ftp.com>
	<BA4206FF-1D51-4AF5-894A-3428F0B613B1@w2xj.net>
	<B860BE6A-5A9F-4AD9-87D8-7CAF0ED6B09E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANVONAJhe6Lzj3Sf8umqnmjRDdAqSEvdumyMmuemFmbFRvsJHw@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, it was sensationalized in the extreme. Here is a page that includes a
rational report:
http://www.arrlsacvalley.org/#calfire
It seems there was a procedural/organizational change that might result in
some repeater owners needing to document their emergency communications
credentials in order to stay on government property without paying rent.

/Rick N6XI

On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 2:27 PM Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com> wrote:

> This has been generally debunked.  Apparently ONE California repeater
> operator was found to have not paid agreed to and billed tower and
> colocation fees for his repeater and got his shorts bunched up when they
> came after him.   He then began what is essentially a ?fake news? campaign
> (in the current terminology).
>
> YMMV, depending on your attraction to conspiracy theories ?
>
> Grant NQ5T
> KX3 (8342)/KXPA100
>
>
> > On Oct 12, 2019, at 2:18 PM, W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net> wrote:
> >
> > Yes this came up on another list and there is a YouTube link.
> >
> > https://youtu.be/lv2sb4LJq2g
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Oct 12, 2019, at 1:59 PM, len at ka7ftp.com wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Wondering if this is true:
> >>
> >>
> https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/california-officials-declare-ham-radio-no-longer-a-benefit-demands-ham-radio-repeater-infrastructure-to-be-removed
> >>
> >> A friend sent me this.
> >>
> >> Len
> >>
> >> 73
> >>
> >> KA7FTP
> >>
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From k6mr at outlook.com  Sat Oct 12 14:44:42 2019
From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 18:44:42 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Question for California Hams
In-Reply-To: <B860BE6A-5A9F-4AD9-87D8-7CAF0ED6B09E@gmail.com>
References: <05db01d58126$aa748140$ff5d83c0$@ka7ftp.com>
	<BA4206FF-1D51-4AF5-894A-3428F0B613B1@w2xj.net>,
	<B860BE6A-5A9F-4AD9-87D8-7CAF0ED6B09E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR07MB6214B76B0D83A3563F7E98999E960@BYAPR07MB6214.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

This just shows you how well this state is run.  Fires, power outages, homelessness, third world diseases in the big cities, and what do they decide to do?



Luckily I?m in the State of Jefferson and we?re fine  :^)



Ken K6MR



________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 11:24:43 AM
To: W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net>
Cc: Elecraft Refl <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Question for California Hams

This has been generally debunked.  Apparently ONE California repeater operator was found to have not paid agreed to and billed tower and colocation fees for his repeater and got his shorts bunched up when they came after him.   He then began what is essentially a ?fake news? campaign (in the current terminology).

YMMV, depending on your attraction to conspiracy theories ?

Grant NQ5T
KX3 (8342)/KXPA100


> On Oct 12, 2019, at 2:18 PM, W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net> wrote:
>
> Yes this came up on another list and there is a YouTube link.
>
> https://youtu.be/lv2sb4LJq2g
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Oct 12, 2019, at 1:59 PM, len at ka7ftp.com wrote:
>>
>> ?Wondering if this is true:
>>
>> https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/california-officials-declare-ham-radio-no-longer-a-benefit-demands-ham-radio-repeater-infrastructure-to-be-removed
>>
>> A friend sent me this.
>>
>> Len
>>
>> 73
>>
>> KA7FTP
>>
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From scott.manthe at gmail.com  Sat Oct 12 14:54:55 2019
From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 14:54:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Question for California Hams
In-Reply-To: <05db01d58126$aa748140$ff5d83c0$@ka7ftp.com>
References: <05db01d58126$aa748140$ff5d83c0$@ka7ftp.com>
Message-ID: <821e756b-096c-7451-9d7c-b9f5c4df2a32@gmail.com>

Hal Turner is a Holocaust denier and right-wing conspiracy peddler. I 
wouldn't take anything he says seriously.

73,
Scott N9AA


On 10/12/19 1:58 PM, len at ka7ftp.com wrote:
> Wondering if this is true:
>
> https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/california-officials-declare-ham-radio-no-longer-a-benefit-demands-ham-radio-repeater-infrastructure-to-be-removed
>
> A friend sent me this.
>
> Len
>
> 73
>
> KA7FTP
>
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From rich at wc3t.us  Sat Oct 12 15:03:00 2019
From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 15:03:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Question for California Hams
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR07MB6214B76B0D83A3563F7E98999E960@BYAPR07MB6214.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <05db01d58126$aa748140$ff5d83c0$@ka7ftp.com>
	<BA4206FF-1D51-4AF5-894A-3428F0B613B1@w2xj.net>
	<B860BE6A-5A9F-4AD9-87D8-7CAF0ED6B09E@gmail.com>
	<BYAPR07MB6214B76B0D83A3563F7E98999E960@BYAPR07MB6214.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CABYU7WiGea+cbFARDBLVwgWNUBuNJ7jwgtKejQhKbD=cX1yoYA@mail.gmail.com>

Reportedly, the ARRL director for the Pacific Division has an explanation
on the web site https://sites.google.com/site/arrlsacvalley/ that appears
to remove a lot of the hype.

I do not have a dog in this hunt, I'm only popping popcorn and watching the
show.


On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 2:44 PM Ken K6MR <k6mr at outlook.com> wrote:

> This just shows you how well this state is run.  Fires, power outages,
> homelessness, third world diseases in the big cities, and what do they
> decide to do?
>
>
>
> Luckily I?m in the State of Jefferson and we?re fine  :^)
>
>
>
> Ken K6MR
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> on behalf of Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 11:24:43 AM
> To: W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net>
> Cc: Elecraft Refl <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Question for California Hams
>
> This has been generally debunked.  Apparently ONE California repeater
> operator was found to have not paid agreed to and billed tower and
> colocation fees for his repeater and got his shorts bunched up when they
> came after him.   He then began what is essentially a ?fake news? campaign
> (in the current terminology).
>
> YMMV, depending on your attraction to conspiracy theories ?
>
> Grant NQ5T
> KX3 (8342)/KXPA100
>
>
> > On Oct 12, 2019, at 2:18 PM, W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net> wrote:
> >
> > Yes this came up on another list and there is a YouTube link.
> >
> > https://youtu.be/lv2sb4LJq2g
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Oct 12, 2019, at 1:59 PM, len at ka7ftp.com wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Wondering if this is true:
> >>
> >>
> https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/california-officials-declare-ham-radio-no-longer-a-benefit-demands-ham-radio-repeater-infrastructure-to-be-removed
> >>
> >> A friend sent me this.
> >>
> >> Len
> >>
> >> 73
> >>
> >> KA7FTP
> >>
> >> ______________________________________________________________
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-- 
72,
Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737
Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting
Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988  (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid:
*FN20is*

From mspmail2 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 12 15:52:50 2019
From: mspmail2 at gmail.com (Mike Parkes)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 12:52:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] XG50 power on aging cycle
Message-ID: <CAP4v5qwimCiqe3h1HkfQAUe=SA+sGaBnn4WQZWiEjJeiut+ZDw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Elecraft !
I want to run the KX3 Extended VFO Temperature Compensation procedure again
as I still get +/- 1 drift on 40 meters wspr. The instructions say: "If
using the Elecraft XG50 *for the first time*, an 8 hour power-on aging
cycle is recommended but not required." I did this the first time I ran the
procedure.

Q: Is the 8 hr warm up recommended *every* time you run the procedure? Or
was that just once, for the new XG50?

Thanks,
Mike AB7RU

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Oct 12 16:42:11 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 16:42:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] XG50 power on aging cycle
In-Reply-To: <CAP4v5qwimCiqe3h1HkfQAUe=SA+sGaBnn4WQZWiEjJeiut+ZDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP4v5qwimCiqe3h1HkfQAUe=SA+sGaBnn4WQZWiEjJeiut+ZDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8843ffa5-239b-9350-6f68-b19dbbb257b1@embarqmail.com>

Mike,

As the instructions indicate, you only have to do it once.
That is for initial aging of the crystal.

If you are getting only 1 Hz drift on 40 meters, note that the frequency 
stability spec for the KX3 is +/- 1 ppm for a temperature range of 0 to 
50 degC.  So you may not be able to do a lot better, much depends on the 
temperature range inside the enclosure.
If you are running it at more than 5 watts, you might do well to invest 
in an aftermarket heatsink.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/12/2019 3:52 PM, Mike Parkes wrote:
> Hello Elecraft !
> I want to run the KX3 Extended VFO Temperature Compensation procedure again
> as I still get +/- 1 drift on 40 meters wspr. The instructions say: "If
> using the Elecraft XG50 *for the first time*, an 8 hour power-on aging
> cycle is recommended but not required." I did this the first time I ran the
> procedure.
> 
> Q: Is the 8 hr warm up recommended *every* time you run the procedure? Or
> was that just once, for the new XG50?
> 

From w7jhr at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 12 17:09:53 2019
From: w7jhr at yahoo.com (Jim Ruff)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 21:09:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/KXPA100 POWER ISSUES
References: <1800446754.472543.1570914593238.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1800446754.472543.1570914593238@mail.yahoo.com>

I'm running a KX3 with a KXPA100 and just started to have some power issues.? There is a substantial difference between what the watts out on the rig show and what shows up on the KXPA power out meter.? Here's what's showing in watts between the rig and the amp:
KX3??? KXPA25????? 5030????? 5050????? 80 w/90 flashing60????? 90 w/100 flashing70????? 100100??? 110
Any ideas on what's going on and how might I fix this?
Thanks,Jim W7JHR


From kevinr at coho.net  Sat Oct 12 21:34:38 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 18:34:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <d5315ae4-93b7-daa8-e340-f4371563cb6d@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? A cool week let me process more wood.? Four truck loads and I am 
only half done.? The woodpeckers enjoy when I peel off the outer layer 
of bark.? They find all sorts of tasty things to eat. A hungry gray jay 
found its way into the house and tried all of the windows to get back 
out.? Luckily she was easy to catch and carry back outside.

 ?? The sun is still quiet.? Not even a decent solar breeze.

 ?? Here is the list from last week.? Every time I came inside the house 
after a day of splitting and hauling wood I fell asleep. But it is best 
to make hay while the sun shines.


 ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

KC1ACL - Steve - NM

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K6XK - Roy - IA

AB9V - Mike - IN

K4JPN - Steve - GA


 ? On 7047.5 kHz at 0000z:

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

K6PJV - Dale - CA



Please join us on (or near):

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 ? 7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

 ?? 73,
 ????? Kevin. KD5ONS


_


// Enumerating the exothermic processes of the firewood cycle

// K. J. Rock
// (c) Bacona Design
// September 30, 2019

begin:

falling();
bucking();
splitting();

while (!burning)
 ??? {
 ??? moveWood(i);
 ??? }

heat from wood stove and stove pipe();

end;

int moveWood(int type)
 ??? {
 ??? switch(type)
 ??? ??? {
 ??? ??? case 0:
 ??? ??? ??? stack woodpile in forest;
 ??? ??? ??? break;
 ??? ??? case 1:
 ??? ??? ??? move to where I can get it into the truck;
 ??? ??? ??? // (may be a recursive procedure)
 ??? ??? ??? break;
 ??? ??? case 2:
 ??? ??? ??? moveTruck();
 ??? ??? ??? toss it into truck;
 ??? ??? ??? break;
 ??? ??? case 3:
 ??? ??? ??? moveTruck();
 ??? ??? ??? take it out of truck;
 ??? ??? ??? break;
 ??? ??? case 4:
 ??? ??? ??? splitting();
 ??? ??? ??? stack it on woodpile near house;
 ??? ??? ??? break;
 ??? ??? case 5:
 ??? ??? ??? splitting();
 ??? ??? ??? move it to landing outside of house;
 ??? ??? ??? break;
 ??? ??? case 6:
 ??? ??? ??? move it to woodpile next to wood stove;
 ??? ??? ??? break;
 ??? ??? case 10:
 ??? ??? ??? put wood into wood stove;
 ??? ??? ??? break;
 ??? ??? default:
 ??? ??? ??? throw wood uphill in forest while bored;
 ??? ??? ??? break;
 ??? ??? }
 ??? return errorCode;
 ??? }


From randyh at greywolfstudios.com  Sun Oct 13 02:29:13 2019
From: randyh at greywolfstudios.com (Randy Heise)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 23:29:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Blasphemy maybe but looking for an honest assessment
	of the K2 vs. Icom 7300 ...
In-Reply-To: <1334772197.2744.1570637851569@wamui-cheeto.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <1334772197.2744.1570637851569@wamui-cheeto.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BED0C5C8-9307-4457-B823-FEC1D22D58F6@greywolfstudios.com>

Thanks to all for your well considered replies, both on and off line. I had pretty much decided to do the Rev A/B mod to my K2 and keep it for QRP and the 5th Wheel and purchase the 7300 for the base station.

Then, one of our members offered a KPA-100/KAT-100 in an EC-2 enclosure at a very reasonable price. After much consideration, I?ve decided to upgrade the K2 and purchase the EC-2 unit. Just seems to work best for my situation and chosen modes.

Thanks once again to all for being a great sounding board!

73,

Randy, NB7E 

From G0ORH at sky.com  Sun Oct 13 08:56:59 2019
From: G0ORH at sky.com (Ken Chandler)
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 13:56:59 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 waterfall
Message-ID: <678B365F-B63E-42B7-ADF5-8E6DC0500437@sky.com>

Hi guys
On the new K4, is there a built in facility to protract the waterfall onto a large PC screen!

Cheers

Ken.. G0ORH

Sent from my iPad



From mspmail2 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 13 11:35:50 2019
From: mspmail2 at gmail.com (Mike Parkes)
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 08:35:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] XG50 power on aging cycle
In-Reply-To: <8843ffa5-239b-9350-6f68-b19dbbb257b1@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAP4v5qwimCiqe3h1HkfQAUe=SA+sGaBnn4WQZWiEjJeiut+ZDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<8843ffa5-239b-9350-6f68-b19dbbb257b1@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP4v5qx3V7VCiatNFk3y6_jM7-gkDFexQmg=kPnZ0XFOiyodWw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Don, in that case I may just leave it as is!
73, Mike AB7RU

On Sat, Oct 12, 2019, 1:42 PM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> As the instructions indicate, you only have to do it once.
> That is for initial aging of the crystal.
>
> If you are getting only 1 Hz drift on 40 meters, note that the frequency
> stability spec for the KX3 is +/- 1 ppm for a temperature range of 0 to
> 50 degC.  So you may not be able to do a lot better, much depends on the
> temperature range inside the enclosure.
> If you are running it at more than 5 watts, you might do well to invest
> in an aftermarket heatsink.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 10/12/2019 3:52 PM, Mike Parkes wrote:
> > Hello Elecraft !
> > I want to run the KX3 Extended VFO Temperature Compensation procedure
> again
> > as I still get +/- 1 drift on 40 meters wspr. The instructions say: "If
> > using the Elecraft XG50 *for the first time*, an 8 hour power-on aging
> > cycle is recommended but not required." I did this the first time I ran
> the
> > procedure.
> >
> > Q: Is the 8 hr warm up recommended *every* time you run the procedure? Or
> > was that just once, for the new XG50?
> >
>

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Oct 13 11:44:46 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 11:44:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Blasphemy maybe but looking for an honest assessment
 of the K2 vs. Icom 7300 ...
In-Reply-To: <BED0C5C8-9307-4457-B823-FEC1D22D58F6@greywolfstudios.com>
References: <1334772197.2744.1570637851569@wamui-cheeto.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<BED0C5C8-9307-4457-B823-FEC1D22D58F6@greywolfstudios.com>
Message-ID: <3af4ccb1-3d4c-47df-39bc-6ccd799e3f92@embarqmail.com>

Randy,

Since you will be using the K2 with the KPA100, you need to strongly 
consider adding to the list of upgrade mods shown on the K2 A to B 
instruction sheet the K2 Keying Waveshape mod.  It is important to keep 
the keyclicks down.  They are not obvious with the 10 watt K2, but rear 
their ugly heads when the KPA100 is in-line.

Elecraft no longer supplies the kit of parts, because the PIN diode 
specified is no longer available.  However, there is a "fix for that" 
and it is included with each and every new K2 kit.

I will be sending you the original Keying Waveshape Mod instructions by 
private email, along with the Elecraft part to replace the PIN diode 
specified.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/13/2019 2:29 AM, Randy Heise wrote:
> Thanks to all for your well considered replies, both on and off line. I had pretty much decided to do the Rev A/B mod to my K2 and keep it for QRP and the 5th Wheel and purchase the 7300 for the base station.
> 
> Then, one of our members offered a KPA-100/KAT-100 in an EC-2 enclosure at a very reasonable price. After much consideration, I?ve decided to upgrade the K2 and purchase the EC-2 unit. Just seems to work best for my situation and chosen modes.
> 
> Thanks once again to all for being a great sounding board!
> 

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sun Oct 13 12:44:00 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 09:44:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 waterfall
In-Reply-To: <678B365F-B63E-42B7-ADF5-8E6DC0500437@sky.com>
References: <678B365F-B63E-42B7-ADF5-8E6DC0500437@sky.com>
Message-ID: <1ADDE2FE-5FDA-4563-A76E-C781562E2E00@elecraft.com>

Yes. 

Wayne
N6KR

----
elecraft.com

> On Oct 13, 2019, at 5:56 AM, Ken Chandler <G0ORH at sky.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi guys
> On the new K4, is there a built in facility to protract the waterfall onto a large PC screen!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Ken.. G0ORH
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> 
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From k2asp at kanafi.org  Sun Oct 13 16:00:29 2019
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 13:00:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Question for California Hams
In-Reply-To: <DC31851E-400B-46FF-94EA-AEB3D1D0D989@zoominternet.net>
References: <05db01d58126$aa748140$ff5d83c0$@ka7ftp.com>
	<DC31851E-400B-46FF-94EA-AEB3D1D0D989@zoominternet.net>
Message-ID: <e7e4a263-bd14-ad46-3003-2da80a5617c1@kanafi.org>

On 10/12/2019 11:30 AM, WW3S wrote:

> Half truth....well maybe 1/4 truth....one, repeat ONE, repeater owner
> got a letter from a tower he was on, but didn?t own, that he would be
> charged rent going forward....he didn?t like it, and started all this
> crap....no ?officials? declared that ham radio was no longer a
> benefit....one guy , the repeater owner, started all this by posting
> on qrz.com a few weeks ago. His call was K6UDA.

When I was with the Feds in the 1970s we were granted space on a
California State site on Mt. Diablo for our VHF (167 MHz) repeater on a
space available basis.  In the 1990s the State Department of General
Services (the "landlord") decided to charge other agencies rent.  After
years of negotiations to no avail, we took our stuff out.  Penny wise
and pound foolish.  I wonder what John Lemmon, the state's manager of
communication services, thinks of all this.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

From bob at hogbytes.com  Sun Oct 13 18:23:24 2019
From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT)
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 15:23:24 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/KXPA100 POWER ISSUES
In-Reply-To: <1800446754.472543.1570914593238@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1800446754.472543.1570914593238@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1571005404361-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

This can happen if you have a poor power connection to the KXPA and the input
voltage drops.  Use the KXPA utility to check the input voltage during tx.



--
Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/

From rwnewbould at comcast.net  Sun Oct 13 20:55:53 2019
From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich)
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 20:55:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] SWR meter on SSB
Message-ID: <4ce947ce-3f64-94bf-0fa1-f4fb01ba39d1@comcast.net>

I am noticing that my SWR meter flickers a bit during SSB 
transmissions.?? I have no indication of RF getting into my signal.?? I 
have checked with several folks and they say may audio is great and no 
indication of RF on the audio.?? I have RF Detect turned on an I never 
get an error from that on the radio.

Is this just a typical behavior of the meter?

BTW the antenna is a 40m vertical that is about 150' from the radio and 
I have Feedline current chokes on both ends of the coax.?? The SWR at 
the base of the antenna is 1.5:1 or better on the entire band.

Rich


From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sun Oct 13 22:37:16 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 22:37:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 waterfall
In-Reply-To: <1ADDE2FE-5FDA-4563-A76E-C781562E2E00@elecraft.com>
References: <1ADDE2FE-5FDA-4563-A76E-C781562E2E00@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <F209EC7F-D73C-4B42-BDC6-1C1BCCCF6F2F@widomaker.com>

If you look thru the K4 FAQ, you?ll notice there?s an HDMI port on the back. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Oct 13, 2019, at 12:46 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Yes. 
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> ----
> elecraft.com
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2019, at 5:56 AM, Ken Chandler <G0ORH at sky.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi guys
>> On the new K4, is there a built in facility to protract the waterfall onto a large PC screen!
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Ken.. G0ORH
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> 
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Oct 13 23:28:39 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 20:28:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <32c6afa9-ff84-fa3e-4f17-8aae5086d360@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? Conditions are holding at less than desirable.? QSB was less which 
normally means the sun is quiet.? The lack of signal strength enhanced 
that assessment.? Twenty meters was shorter this week.? Normally 
California is too close.? But Texas and Nevada on forty meters was a 
good sign.? I've been getting into the southwest more often lately.

 ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

W0CZ - Ken - ND - with snow

K6XK - Roy - IA - had snow

K4JPN - Steve - GA - still summer

K0DTJ - Brian - CA - sunny with chance of smoke


 ? On 7047 kHz at 0000z:

K6PJV - Dale - CA - maybe this year :)

WM5F - Dwight - ID

K0DTJ - Brian - CA - colorful sunset

K0JFJ - Alex - TX

K9JB - Gerald - NV


 ?? By the end of this week I may be done with the large tree. Then I 
can work on the other twenty acres of them.? I should not be cold this 
winter.

 ?? Until next week 73,

 ?????? Kevin.? KD5ONS

-



From ua9cdc at gmail.com  Sun Oct 13 23:37:48 2019
From: ua9cdc at gmail.com (Igor Sokolov)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 08:37:48 +0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/KXPA100 POWER ISSUES
In-Reply-To: <1571005404361-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1800446754.472543.1570914593238@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1571005404361-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1f35d011-faa6-7860-da44-9b001f732512@gmail.com>

You can also monitor the voltage on the readout of your KX3.

73, Igor UA9CDC


14.10.2019 3:23, Bob N3MNT ?????:
> This can happen if you have a poor power connection to the KXPA and the input
> voltage drops.  Use the KXPA utility to check the input voltage during tx.
>
>
>
> --
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From k6sdw.usa at gmail.com  Mon Oct 14 00:10:00 2019
From: k6sdw.usa at gmail.com (Eddy Avila)
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 21:10:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 question
Message-ID: <CAFjeueotGQGa-_yVA58x=f=N3W8B2armF5FkKsLSejDcnGcCOQ@mail.gmail.com>

 My KX3 is about 2 years old, recently I set he The KXBC3 to 16hr charge
and powered down the KX3 and everything looked normal. However, a few hours
later I noticed the Lo-Supply message was flashing on and off, but when I
checked the KX3 was getting 13.61vdc and I believe charging was still
taking place.

So, charging voltage had not changed, but the Lo-Supply message kept
flashing until I cancelled battery charge. Any suggestions why the KX3 was
displaying Lo-Supply with the KX3 powered off but 13.61vdc was measured at
the rig?

Thanks and 73

Ed

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Mon Oct 14 00:50:59 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 00:50:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 question
In-Reply-To: <CAFjeueotGQGa-_yVA58x=f=N3W8B2armF5FkKsLSejDcnGcCOQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFjeueotGQGa-_yVA58x=f=N3W8B2armF5FkKsLSejDcnGcCOQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52B29E5E-72D6-45B8-A543-C8A7B1A76579@gmail.com>

 The LO SUPPLY message indicates the power supply is delivering less than 13.8vdc at the KX3.   Can you adjust your supply voltage a bit higher?


Grant NQ5T
KX3 (8342)/KXPA100


> On Oct 14, 2019, at 12:10 AM, Eddy Avila <k6sdw.usa at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My KX3 is about 2 years old, recently I set he The KXBC3 to 16hr charge
> and powered down the KX3 and everything looked normal. However, a few hours
> later I noticed the Lo-Supply message was flashing on and off, but when I
> checked the KX3 was getting 13.61vdc and I believe charging was still
> taking place.
> 
> So, charging voltage had not changed, but the Lo-Supply message kept
> flashing until I cancelled battery charge. Any suggestions why the KX3 was
> displaying Lo-Supply with the KX3 powered off but 13.61vdc was measured at
> the rig?
> 


From eric at elecraft.com  Mon Oct 14 10:33:39 2019
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 07:33:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Question for California Hams
In-Reply-To: <e7e4a263-bd14-ad46-3003-2da80a5617c1@kanafi.org>
References: <e7e4a263-bd14-ad46-3003-2da80a5617c1@kanafi.org>
Message-ID: <D443EC1C-2D1F-4530-8CAF-B0263DD87117@elecraft.com>

Thread closed.  Folks, this is way OT for the Elecraft reflector. 

73,
Eric
Moderator etc. 
elecraft.com
---
Sent from my iPhone 6S

> On Oct 13, 2019, at 1:01 PM, Phil Kane <k2asp at kanafi.org> wrote:
> 
> ?On 10/12/2019 11:30 AM, WW3S wrote:
> 
>> Half truth....well maybe 1/4 truth....one, repeat ONE, repeater owner
>> got a letter from a tower he was on, but didn?t own, that he would be
>> charged rent going forward....

From justin at kromelow.com  Mon Oct 14 11:07:49 2019
From: justin at kromelow.com (Justin Kromelow)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 08:07:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Question for California Hams
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR07MB6214B76B0D83A3563F7E98999E960@BYAPR07MB6214.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <05db01d58126$aa748140$ff5d83c0$@ka7ftp.com>
	<BA4206FF-1D51-4AF5-894A-3428F0B613B1@w2xj.net>
	<B860BE6A-5A9F-4AD9-87D8-7CAF0ED6B09E@gmail.com>
	<BYAPR07MB6214B76B0D83A3563F7E98999E960@BYAPR07MB6214.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <81C385E4-5A63-4AE0-875A-C50DB1086AD0@kromelow.com>

Just so everyone has the facts?.

Here is a link to the response from A Nathan Zelief (Lawyer) to Lorina Pisi (Cal Fire), author of the letter that started all of this.  The response has the original letter in its appendix. Obviously Lorina is not a ham.  Read and draw your own conclusions.  

http://www.shastadefense.com/FAX-CalFireHamRadio20190923.pdf

All my best,

Justin Kromelow
KM6GNH
Burlingame, CA


> On Oct 12, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Ken K6MR <k6mr at outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> This just shows you how well this state is run.  Fires, power outages, homelessness, third world diseases in the big cities, and what do they decide to do?
> 
> 
> 
> Luckily I?m in the State of Jefferson and we?re fine  :^)
> 
> 
> 
> Ken K6MR
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>> on behalf of Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com <mailto:ghyoungman at gmail.com>>
> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 11:24:43 AM
> To: W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net <mailto:W2xj at w2xj.net>>
> Cc: Elecraft Refl <elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Question for California Hams
> 
> This has been generally debunked.  Apparently ONE California repeater operator was found to have not paid agreed to and billed tower and colocation fees for his repeater and got his shorts bunched up when they came after him.   He then began what is essentially a ?fake news? campaign (in the current terminology).
> 
> YMMV, depending on your attraction to conspiracy theories ?
> 
> Grant NQ5T
> KX3 (8342)/KXPA100
> 
> 
>> On Oct 12, 2019, at 2:18 PM, W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes this came up on another list and there is a YouTube link.
>> 
>> https://youtu.be/lv2sb4LJq2g
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Oct 12, 2019, at 1:59 PM, len at ka7ftp.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Wondering if this is true:
>>> 
>>> https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/california-officials-declare-ham-radio-no-longer-a-benefit-demands-ham-radio-repeater-infrastructure-to-be-removed
>>> 
>>> A friend sent me this.
>>> 
>>> Len
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> 
>>> KA7FTP
>>> 
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From noelhqnsu at globetrotter.net  Mon Oct 14 13:36:30 2019
From: noelhqnsu at globetrotter.net (NOEL POULIN)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 13:36:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S question
Message-ID: <e9cc5e15-ebd5-e88a-dd6e-44484a680ef4@globetrotter.net>

Hello,

My call is VE2FWW and VE2RYY.

I was working in the Makrothen rtty contest during the last week-end.

I noticed something may be wrong with my K3S.

When I came near a strong signal, I had? the impression that I was 
loosing reception....or sensibility????

Could it be the AGC....

Here? are the settings of the AGC in the K3S

AGC DCY= soft

AGC HLD= 0.05

AGC PLS= NOR

AGC SLP= 010

AGC THR= 010

AGC F=120

AGC S = 120

I would appreciate comments about that problem...

Thanks

Noel ve2fww, ve2ryy


From noelhqnsu at globetrotter.net  Mon Oct 14 13:43:41 2019
From: noelhqnsu at globetrotter.net (NOEL POULIN)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 13:43:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] oups error in agc settings
Message-ID: <c026d109-84c2-be01-e08f-7df2ff54c00d@globetrotter.net>

Sorry there was a mistake in my AGC setting....

Instead of AGC S = 120..... IT IS agc s= 20

Sorry

Noel


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Oct 14 13:50:55 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 13:50:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S question
In-Reply-To: <e9cc5e15-ebd5-e88a-dd6e-44484a680ef4@globetrotter.net>
References: <e9cc5e15-ebd5-e88a-dd6e-44484a680ef4@globetrotter.net>
Message-ID: <0432e427-88e9-2fde-c372-b378f8cac4d1@embarqmail.com>

Neil,

Yes, I suspect it is the AGC.  To determine the best settings for your 
particular location noise, I suggest you read the "Noisy K3" article on 
my website www.w3fpr.com.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/14/2019 1:36 PM, NOEL POULIN wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> My call is VE2FWW and VE2RYY.
> 
> I was working in the Makrothen rtty contest during the last week-end.
> 
> I noticed something may be wrong with my K3S.
> 
> When I came near a strong signal, I had? the impression that I was 
> loosing reception....or sensibility????
> 
> Could it be the AGC....
> 
> Here? are the settings of the AGC in the K3S
> 
> AGC DCY= soft
> 
> AGC HLD= 0.05
> 
> AGC PLS= NOR
> 
> AGC SLP= 010
> 
> AGC THR= 010
> 
> AGC F=120
> 
> AGC S = 120
> 
> I would appreciate comments about that problem...
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Noel ve2fww, ve2ryy
> 
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From dmboresz at gmail.com  Mon Oct 14 15:05:16 2019
From: dmboresz at gmail.com (Dale Boresz)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 15:05:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S question
In-Reply-To: <e9cc5e15-ebd5-e88a-dd6e-44484a680ef4@globetrotter.net>
References: <e9cc5e15-ebd5-e88a-dd6e-44484a680ef4@globetrotter.net>
Message-ID: <CAPkaV9Ctym-ioEBO+S3n9VS+BVJ2mriHxWprPymFX70vHzAKbw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Noel,

Which roofing filter did you have engaged at the time? If it was
significantly wider than the minimum bandwidth needed to accurately decode
a RTTY signal, then pumping of the AGC could occur which is likely what you
heard. I don't operate RTTY so I don't know which roofing filter would be
optimum, but I'm sure other RTTY op's can help.

73,
Dale - WA8SRA


On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 1:37 PM NOEL POULIN <noelhqnsu at globetrotter.net>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> My call is VE2FWW and VE2RYY.
>
> I was working in the Makrothen rtty contest during the last week-end.
>
> I noticed something may be wrong with my K3S.
>
> When I came near a strong signal, I had  the impression that I was
> loosing reception....or sensibility????
>
> Could it be the AGC....
>
> Here  are the settings of the AGC in the K3S
>
> AGC DCY= soft
>
> AGC HLD= 0.05
>
> AGC PLS= NOR
>
> AGC SLP= 010
>
> AGC THR= 010
>
> AGC F=120
>
> AGC S = 120
>
> I would appreciate comments about that problem...
>
> Thanks
>
> Noel ve2fww, ve2ryy
>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Oct 14 15:17:51 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 12:17:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S question
In-Reply-To: <CAPkaV9Ctym-ioEBO+S3n9VS+BVJ2mriHxWprPymFX70vHzAKbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e9cc5e15-ebd5-e88a-dd6e-44484a680ef4@globetrotter.net>
	<CAPkaV9Ctym-ioEBO+S3n9VS+BVJ2mriHxWprPymFX70vHzAKbw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9509dbdf-148d-0d55-d557-c094a7632235@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/14/2019 12:05 PM, Dale Boresz wrote:
> I don't operate RTTY so I don't know which roofing filter would be
> optimum, but I'm sure other RTTY op's can help.

An IF bandwidth in the range of 400-500 kHz is recommended because it 
presents the least phase shift to the decoding software. My radios have 
2.8, 2, 0.4, and 0.25 kHz roofing filters. My standard IF setting for 
RTTY is 500 Hz, so I'm using the 2 kHz roofer. In the presence of strong 
nearby signals, I'll narrow it up to 400 Hz so the the 400 Hz roofer 
kicks in.

73, Jim K9YC

From jameskvochick at me.com  Mon Oct 14 17:17:33 2019
From: jameskvochick at me.com (Roberta Estes)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 17:17:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Filters for sale
Message-ID: <5B912351-0A92-407A-8043-C432FA31D150@me.com>

Elecraft K3 filters surplus to my needs

KFL3A-2.8K (Elecraft Branded Inrad filter)  $80 shipped USPS

KFL3A-6K (Elecraft Branded Inrad Filter) $80 shipped USPS

KFL3B-FM (Elecraft Branded Inrad filter) $80 shipped USPS

Shipping included USPS Us locations only.

Paypal is acceptable as long as I receive the full amount (buyer pays transaction fees if you feel you can?t send money as a gift)

First come first serve.

Contact me off list at K8JK at ARRL.ORG <mailto:K8JK at ARRL.ORG>

73

Jim K8JK


From kvo at att.net  Mon Oct 14 17:54:29 2019
From: kvo at att.net (James Kvochick)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 17:54:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Filters for sale
In-Reply-To: <5B912351-0A92-407A-8043-C432FA31D150@me.com>
References: <5B912351-0A92-407A-8043-C432FA31D150@me.com>
Message-ID: <A90BF9C8-6332-4285-B1AF-1268E4CCAF99@att.net>

Filters are spoken for?

73

Jim K8JK

> On Oct 14, 2019, at 5:17 PM, Roberta Estes via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Elecraft K3 filters surplus to my needs
> 
> KFL3A-2.8K (Elecraft Branded Inrad filter)  $80 shipped USPS
> 
> KFL3A-6K (Elecraft Branded Inrad Filter) $80 shipped USPS
> 
> KFL3B-FM (Elecraft Branded Inrad filter) $80 shipped USPS
> 
> Shipping included USPS Us locations only.
> 
> Paypal is acceptable as long as I receive the full amount (buyer pays transaction fees if you feel you can?t send money as a gift)
> 
> First come first serve.
> 
> Contact me off list at K8JK at ARRL.ORG <mailto:K8JK at ARRL.ORG>
> 
> 73
> 
> Jim K8JK
> 
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From pe1hzg at xs4all.nl  Mon Oct 14 18:00:05 2019
From: pe1hzg at xs4all.nl (Geert Jan de Groot)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 00:00:05 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 VFO-B knob replacement notes
In-Reply-To: <d531240a-b1a4-ad24-7828-d93d0aa61584@xs4all.nl>
References: <d531240a-b1a4-ad24-7828-d93d0aa61584@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <8e01d09c-e6d7-3938-a343-7221a63c2920@xs4all.nl>


Hi,

Recently I purchased a K3 and found I need to give it some love as it 
has been a bit behind on maintenance.

One of the issues is that the VFO B knob has cracked. This is Elecraft 
part number E980090, listed as K3 spare part.

Unfortunately, that knob is no longer available, and here is where the 
fun starts.

What is sent instead, is Elecraft part E980275. Both E980090 and E980275 
are listed but only E980275 is available.
The replacement knob is smaller, the old knob is 1 3/8", the new knob is 1".

Just replacing the knob won't work because the felt washer sticks out.

Also, the encoder is too long and the new knob sticks out - the felt 
washer doesn't work.

Called Elecraft sales and there is some confusion.

The errata of the build instruction of the K3S (not K3) explains what 
has happened:
- The new knob is smaller
- it needs a different felt washer, replace E700033 with E700416
- the encoder needs an additional lock washer, E700150.
- So, if you order a replacement, order all of this and plan to have to 
take the front panel apart.

None of this is on the elecraft website. I also did not find anything in 
the reflector archives. And it's not in the K3 documentation, only the 
K3S documentation.

This is kind of painful, since in addition to the price of the spare 
parts I ordered to get the K3 up to date ($173) I spent $80 on shipping, 
customs and postal admin overhead and I now find I have an incomplete 
mod kit.

I will need to cut the wrongly-ordered felt washer to size and find a 
replacement lock washer to make the encoder sink deeper to match the new 
knob.. Again, this isn't listed in the spare parts on the website or on 
the reflector; it is now documented on the reflector, at least.

Geert Jan


From kb2m at arrl.net  Mon Oct 14 18:40:54 2019
From: kb2m at arrl.net (jeff griffin)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 18:40:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 VFO-B knob replacement notes
In-Reply-To: <8e01d09c-e6d7-3938-a343-7221a63c2920@xs4all.nl>
References: <d531240a-b1a4-ad24-7828-d93d0aa61584@xs4all.nl>
	<8e01d09c-e6d7-3938-a343-7221a63c2920@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <005a01d582e0$70c4ab80$524e0280$@net>

 I have a spare stock K3 knob set left over from when I replaced them a few
years ago with a set of heavy CNC machined ones. Only problem is there at my
Florida home. If no one else steps forward with an original  replacement for
you I will send you the one I have when I get home in mid December. All I
would possibly ask for is the shipping. Let me know....

73 Jeff kb2m

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Geert Jan de Groot
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 6:00 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 VFO-B knob replacement notes


Hi,

Recently I purchased a K3 and found I need to give it some love as it 
has been a bit behind on maintenance.

One of the issues is that the VFO B knob has cracked. This is Elecraft 
part number E980090, listed as K3 spare part.

Unfortunately, that knob is no longer available, and here is where the 
fun starts.

What is sent instead, is Elecraft part E980275. Both E980090 and E980275 
are listed but only E980275 is available.
The replacement knob is smaller, the old knob is 1 3/8", the new knob is 1".

Just replacing the knob won't work because the felt washer sticks out.

Also, the encoder is too long and the new knob sticks out - the felt 
washer doesn't work.

Called Elecraft sales and there is some confusion.

The errata of the build instruction of the K3S (not K3) explains what 
has happened:
- The new knob is smaller
- it needs a different felt washer, replace E700033 with E700416
- the encoder needs an additional lock washer, E700150.
- So, if you order a replacement, order all of this and plan to have to 
take the front panel apart.

None of this is on the elecraft website. I also did not find anything in 
the reflector archives. And it's not in the K3 documentation, only the 
K3S documentation.

This is kind of painful, since in addition to the price of the spare 
parts I ordered to get the K3 up to date ($173) I spent $80 on shipping, 
customs and postal admin overhead and I now find I have an incomplete 
mod kit.

I will need to cut the wrongly-ordered felt washer to size and find a 
replacement lock washer to make the encoder sink deeper to match the new 
knob.. Again, this isn't listed in the spare parts on the website or on 
the reflector; it is now documented on the reflector, at least.

Geert Jan

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From w5jv at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 14 19:20:03 2019
From: w5jv at hotmail.com (Doug Hensley)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 23:20:03 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: West Mountain DC-TO-GO-RR&SPG 58513-1381
Message-ID: <DM6PR01MB5898012C9E1FAF25B372A8AB91900@DM6PR01MB5898.prod.exchangelabs.com>

Just an FYI if you are in the process of Field Day planning,
HRO has a limited number of the West Mountain Battery
kit containing the external battery case, the Rig Runner
8 outlet w/alarm unit and their 40A PowerGate which will
switch between your power supply & battery as needed.
(It also maintains the battery safely when the power supply
is normally on.) At $169, almost $100 off.

Part Number DC-TO-GO-RR&SPG 58513-1381.

Otherwise, apologies for this OT post.

Cheers,

Doug W5JV
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From w5rg at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 14 20:19:51 2019
From: w5rg at yahoo.com (Bob Gibson)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 00:19:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Fw:  K3 VFO-B knob replacement notes
In-Reply-To: <005a01d582e0$70c4ab80$524e0280$@net>
References: <d531240a-b1a4-ad24-7828-d93d0aa61584@xs4all.nl>
	<8e01d09c-e6d7-3938-a343-7221a63c2920@xs4all.nl>
	<005a01d582e0$70c4ab80$524e0280$@net>
Message-ID: <1571618223.1023199.1571098791533@mail.yahoo.com>

I have a spare knob..if you want it..let me know!!

?? 73s Bob W5RG
 

   ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: jeff griffin <kb2m at arrl.net>To: 'Geert Jan de Groot' <pe1hzg at xs4all.nl>; 'Elecraft Reflector' <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019, 5:44:54 PM CDTSubject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO-B knob replacement notes
  I have a spare stock K3 knob set left over from when I replaced them a few
years ago with a set of heavy CNC machined ones. Only problem is there at my
Florida home. If no one else steps forward with an original? replacement for
you I will send you the one I have when I get home in mid December. All I
would possibly ask for is the shipping. Let me know....

73 Jeff kb2m

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Geert Jan de Groot
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 6:00 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 VFO-B knob replacement notes


Hi,

Recently I purchased a K3 and found I need to give it some love as it 
has been a bit behind on maintenance.

One of the issues is that the VFO B knob has cracked. This is Elecraft 
part number E980090, listed as K3 spare part.

Unfortunately, that knob is no longer available, and here is where the 
fun starts.

What is sent instead, is Elecraft part E980275. Both E980090 and E980275 
are listed but only E980275 is available.
The replacement knob is smaller, the old knob is 1 3/8", the new knob is 1".

Just replacing the knob won't work because the felt washer sticks out.

Also, the encoder is too long and the new knob sticks out - the felt 
washer doesn't work.

Called Elecraft sales and there is some confusion.

The errata of the build instruction of the K3S (not K3) explains what 
has happened:
- The new knob is smaller
- it needs a different felt washer, replace E700033 with E700416
- the encoder needs an additional lock washer, E700150.
- So, if you order a replacement, order all of this and plan to have to 
take the front panel apart.

None of this is on the elecraft website. I also did not find anything in 
the reflector archives. And it's not in the K3 documentation, only the 
K3S documentation.

This is kind of painful, since in addition to the price of the spare 
parts I ordered to get the K3 up to date ($173) I spent $80 on shipping, 
customs and postal admin overhead and I now find I have an incomplete 
mod kit.

I will need to cut the wrongly-ordered felt washer to size and find a 
replacement lock washer to make the encoder sink deeper to match the new 
knob.. Again, this isn't listed in the spare parts on the website or on 
the reflector; it is now documented on the reflector, at least.

Geert Jan

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From nw8l at whitemesa.com  Mon Oct 14 23:20:58 2019
From: nw8l at whitemesa.com (Robert Cunnings)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 21:20:58 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 VFO-B knob replacement notes
In-Reply-To: <8e01d09c-e6d7-3938-a343-7221a63c2920@xs4all.nl>
References: <d531240a-b1a4-ad24-7828-d93d0aa61584@xs4all.nl>
	<8e01d09c-e6d7-3938-a343-7221a63c2920@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1910142110330.382@iota.whitemesa.net>

Thank you for posting this!

I recently inquired of Elecraft Support about replacing the VFO B knob on 
my older K3 (it is cracked).

I was told to order E980275, but the person did not disclose all of the 
details you listed in your message, which are important. Fortunately I 
hadn't placed the order yet, planning to do it this evening.

I don't want a smaller knob, so I'll simply repair the original knob and 
carry on.

73,

Bob NW8L

On Tue, 15 Oct 2019, Geert Jan de Groot wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> Recently I purchased a K3 and found I need to give it some love as it has 
> been a bit behind on maintenance.
>
> One of the issues is that the VFO B knob has cracked. This is Elecraft part 
> number E980090, listed as K3 spare part.
>
> Unfortunately, that knob is no longer available, and here is where the fun 
> starts.
>
> What is sent instead, is Elecraft part E980275. Both E980090 and E980275 are 
> listed but only E980275 is available.
> The replacement knob is smaller, the old knob is 1 3/8", the new knob is 1".
>
> Just replacing the knob won't work because the felt washer sticks out.
>
> Also, the encoder is too long and the new knob sticks out - the felt washer 
> doesn't work.
>
> Called Elecraft sales and there is some confusion.
>
> The errata of the build instruction of the K3S (not K3) explains what has 
> happened:
> - The new knob is smaller
> - it needs a different felt washer, replace E700033 with E700416
> - the encoder needs an additional lock washer, E700150.
> - So, if you order a replacement, order all of this and plan to have to take 
> the front panel apart.
>
> None of this is on the elecraft website. I also did not find anything in the 
> reflector archives. And it's not in the K3 documentation, only the K3S 
> documentation.
>
> This is kind of painful, since in addition to the price of the spare parts I 
> ordered to get the K3 up to date ($173) I spent $80 on shipping, customs and 
> postal admin overhead and I now find I have an incomplete mod kit.
>
> I will need to cut the wrongly-ordered felt washer to size and find a 
> replacement lock washer to make the encoder sink deeper to match the new 
> knob.. Again, this isn't listed in the spare parts on the website or on the 
> reflector; it is now documented on the reflector, at least.
>
> Geert Jan
>

From w4sc at windstream.net  Tue Oct 15 03:27:01 2019
From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 03:27:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 VFO-B knob replacement notes
Message-ID: <82.09.29200.3C475AD5@smtp03.aqua.bos.sync.lan>

Two possible replacements.  Not exact appearance to original, but both are 1.25 inch diameter, and about 0.7 inch tall.  Very close to original measurements.

This one is plastic.  Drawing available online.
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/davies-molding-llc/8125-B/1722-1087-ND/6566310


This one is aluminum, and more expensive. 
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/te-connectivity-alcoswitch-switches/KN1251B1-4/KN1251B1-4-ND/1201555

And possibly this one

https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/te-connectivity-alcoswitch-switches/KD1250B1-4/KD1250B1-4-ND/1201657

If they would work as satisfactory replacements, IMO it would be better than having to disassemble the front panel.

Ben W4SC

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From w5zzt1 at outlook.com  Tue Oct 15 10:02:49 2019
From: w5zzt1 at outlook.com (w5zzt)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 07:02:49 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 no power out
In-Reply-To: <838F46188A574794AC86AC2E68F3D389@FrankPC>
References: <838F46188A574794AC86AC2E68F3D389@FrankPC>
Message-ID: <1571148169893-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Well my T/R circuit just failed yesterday.  Mine is a 2016 model that was a
kit.  serial number 3032.

It's out of warranty so waiting for Elecraft to call me so I can send it in
to be fixed.  No smoke just quit and disconnected it before it blew the
finals of my radio.

Anyone had this repair done lately?  I just wondered what the cost is to
repair if anyone knows.

Harold
W5ZZT



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From indians at xsmail.com  Tue Oct 15 10:10:05 2019
From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 07:10:05 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 no power out
In-Reply-To: <838F46188A574794AC86AC2E68F3D389@FrankPC>
References: <838F46188A574794AC86AC2E68F3D389@FrankPC>
Message-ID: <1571148605567-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Dear Frank,

it should help you.

http://ok1rp.blogspot.com/2017/02/elecraft-kpa500-lpf-tr-switch-rework.html

Petr



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From indians at xsmail.com  Tue Oct 15 10:23:33 2019
From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 07:23:33 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 no power out
In-Reply-To: <007901d11887$b2585500$1708ff00$@verizon.net>
References: <838F46188A574794AC86AC2E68F3D389@FrankPC>
	<563C58E0.8040602@xs4all.nl>
	<007901d11887$b2585500$1708ff00$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <1571149413030-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Tony,

no s/n known but rev.D9 or earlier with SMD parts assmbled... BUT no A/B
rev. as these are thru hole parts populated LPF/PA boards.

Simply if your LPF/PA board is thru hole yellow caps populated then it is
not rework kit for you (Elecraft parts kit: E850607) and if you have the SMD
parts assembled then check if it is rev. D9 or earlier. 

The LPF/PA boards where this mod is applied already is marked rev. D10 or
higher.

Petr 



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From evert at pa2kw.com  Tue Oct 15 10:17:58 2019
From: evert at pa2kw.com (Evert Bakker)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 16:17:58 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 VFO-B knob replacement notes
In-Reply-To: <8e01d09c-e6d7-3938-a343-7221a63c2920@xs4all.nl>
References: <d531240a-b1a4-ad24-7828-d93d0aa61584@xs4all.nl>
	<8e01d09c-e6d7-3938-a343-7221a63c2920@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <000201d58363$594fca60$0bef5f20$@pa2kw.com>

Hello Geert, 

I guess the VFO-B knob for the K3S will fit, doesn't it? 
The K3S is still available. Most probably available with a different part
number. 
Just verify if the diameter of the ax  K3 vs K3s is the same.

73's, Evert PA2KW / 5T2KW


-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] Namens Geert Jan de Groot
Verzonden: dinsdag 15 oktober 2019 00:00
Aan: Elecraft Reflector <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Onderwerp: [Elecraft] K3 VFO-B knob replacement notes


Hi,

Recently I purchased a K3 and found I need to give it some love as it has
been a bit behind on maintenance.

One of the issues is that the VFO B knob has cracked. This is Elecraft part
number E980090, listed as K3 spare part.

Unfortunately, that knob is no longer available, and here is where the fun
starts.

What is sent instead, is Elecraft part E980275. Both E980090 and E980275 are
listed but only E980275 is available.
The replacement knob is smaller, the old knob is 1 3/8", the new knob is 1".

Just replacing the knob won't work because the felt washer sticks out.

Also, the encoder is too long and the new knob sticks out - the felt washer
doesn't work.

Called Elecraft sales and there is some confusion.

The errata of the build instruction of the K3S (not K3) explains what has
happened:
- The new knob is smaller
- it needs a different felt washer, replace E700033 with E700416
- the encoder needs an additional lock washer, E700150.
- So, if you order a replacement, order all of this and plan to have to take
the front panel apart.

None of this is on the elecraft website. I also did not find anything in the
reflector archives. And it's not in the K3 documentation, only the K3S
documentation.

This is kind of painful, since in addition to the price of the spare parts I
ordered to get the K3 up to date ($173) I spent $80 on shipping, customs and
postal admin overhead and I now find I have an incomplete mod kit.

I will need to cut the wrongly-ordered felt washer to size and find a
replacement lock washer to make the encoder sink deeper to match the new
knob.. Again, this isn't listed in the spare parts on the website or on the
reflector; it is now documented on the reflector, at least.

Geert Jan

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From kvo at att.net  Tue Oct 15 10:57:08 2019
From: kvo at att.net (James Kvochick)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 10:57:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Pigtail & Cable for sale
Message-ID: <8DFC8826-A9E8-4751-B6DC-A9BEB1C0E201@att.net>

Pigtail from http://pignology.net <http://pignology.net/> and RS232 to electrify KX3 control cable.  Manual available at Pignology.net <http://pignology.net/> 

$100 including shipping.  PayPal requires an additional $5.00 unless you simply send  money.

contact off net if required at my email

73

Jim K8JK


From w5jv at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 15 11:14:06 2019
From: w5jv at hotmail.com (Doug Hensley)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 15:14:06 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Filters For Sale
Message-ID: <DM6PR01MB5898454C3B162D934B1F660691930@DM6PR01MB5898.prod.exchangelabs.com>

A matched pair of 2.7 kHZ K3/K3S SSB filters;

$160 ($80 ea).  Prefer not to break up.

QSL: W5JV

Doug W5JV
K1, K2, K3S








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From ar at dseven.org  Tue Oct 15 12:14:07 2019
From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 09:14:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 no power out
In-Reply-To: <1571148169893-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <838F46188A574794AC86AC2E68F3D389@FrankPC>
	<1571148169893-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CACDL7B0W6umHYCrrVRkNHq4N5=ixb36XisC0aqNeBZ1BhEXXGw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 7:04 AM w5zzt <w5zzt1 at outlook.com> wrote:
>
> Well my T/R circuit just failed yesterday.  Mine is a 2016 model that was a
> kit.  serial number 3032.
>
> It's out of warranty so waiting for Elecraft to call me so I can send it in
> to be fixed.  No smoke just quit and disconnected it before it blew the
> finals of my radio.

What does "just quit and disconnected" mean?

My KPA500's T/R also died recently, and also damaged my K3. The
initial symptom was that the KPA500 would throw a fault 09 (high
reflected power) immediately on attempt to transmit on any band. While
attempting to diagnose this remotely, at one point I turned the K3's
output level below 12W (so just using the LPA, not the KPA3). After
that, the K3's TX was dead - "long story short", the final FETs in the
LPA were fried. Seems like something in the KPA500's T/R allowed big
RF to get fed back to the K3 - apparently the KPA3 finals could take
it, but the LPA ones couldn't. I've since replaced the two FETs, and
my K3 is back to life. When I brought the KPA500 home, the symptom
changed. On attempting to transmit, if I provided any RF drive, the
asterisk on the display would disappear - so it seemed to be unkeying
itself. It seemed like RF may be leaking into the keying circuit. In
an email exchange with support, some voltage readings suggested a
diode problem. I replaced the D7 thru D10. That made the voltages look
better, but the symptom of the amp unkeying itself persisted. Support
said that no one has heard of that happening before. Since I don't
have a supply of parts at hand, and have limited diagnostic skill, I
sent it to Watsonville Hospital. It's now waiting in the queue
(supposedly 10-15 days).

> Anyone had this repair done lately?  I just wondered what the cost is to
> repair if anyone knows.

Minimum $95 (one hour), plus parts and any additional labour. Waiting
to find out....

73/GL,

    ~iain / N6ML

From ve3iql at gmail.com  Tue Oct 15 12:54:19 2019
From: ve3iql at gmail.com (Terry Basom)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 12:54:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 fuses
Message-ID: <CALcLFqDH6VQJ=quO9mzaxSW1LubwSVj8HGgN2pdgoRiqeAHfDw@mail.gmail.com>

I was looking at my power leads and realaized I had no fuses in the lines.
The factory power lead as well had no fuses. I'm about to change that with
inline fuses.

I would appreciate any comments..

From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Tue Oct 15 17:08:33 2019
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 16:08:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 no power out
In-Reply-To: <CACDL7B0W6umHYCrrVRkNHq4N5=ixb36XisC0aqNeBZ1BhEXXGw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <838F46188A574794AC86AC2E68F3D389@FrankPC>	<1571148169893-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<CACDL7B0W6umHYCrrVRkNHq4N5=ixb36XisC0aqNeBZ1BhEXXGw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <066901d5839c$b48130c0$1d839240$@LNAINC.com>

As I have previously posted, my KPA500 (factory built, purchased new a few
months ago) failed after a couple weeks of use in the same manner.

I sent it to Elecraft, and they repaired it at no cost to me (of course)
except the nearly $100 it cost me to ship it to them, insured.

There were a number of parts replaced ... including one resistor that was
missing.

And yes, it also took out the transceiver (IC7300, not in warranty) which
Icom took care of very quickly and at reasonable cost.

73
Lyn, W?LEN


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of iain macdonnell -
N6ML
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 11:14 AM
To: w5zzt
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 no power out

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 7:04 AM w5zzt <w5zzt1 at outlook.com> wrote:
>
> Well my T/R circuit just failed yesterday.  Mine is a 2016 model that was
a
> kit.  serial number 3032.
>
> It's out of warranty so waiting for Elecraft to call me so I can send it
in
> to be fixed.  No smoke just quit and disconnected it before it blew the
> finals of my radio.

What does "just quit and disconnected" mean?

My KPA500's T/R also died recently, and also damaged my K3. The
initial symptom was that the KPA500 would throw a fault 09 (high
reflected power) immediately on attempt to transmit on any band. While
attempting to diagnose this remotely, at one point I turned the K3's
output level below 12W (so just using the LPA, not the KPA3). After
that, the K3's TX was dead - "long story short", the final FETs in the
LPA were fried. Seems like something in the KPA500's T/R allowed big
RF to get fed back to the K3 - apparently the KPA3 finals could take
it, but the LPA ones couldn't. I've since replaced the two FETs, and
my K3 is back to life. When I brought the KPA500 home, the symptom
changed. On attempting to transmit, if I provided any RF drive, the
asterisk on the display would disappear - so it seemed to be unkeying
itself. It seemed like RF may be leaking into the keying circuit. In
an email exchange with support, some voltage readings suggested a
diode problem. I replaced the D7 thru D10. That made the voltages look
better, but the symptom of the amp unkeying itself persisted. Support
said that no one has heard of that happening before. Since I don't
have a supply of parts at hand, and have limited diagnostic skill, I
sent it to Watsonville Hospital. It's now waiting in the queue
(supposedly 10-15 days).

> Anyone had this repair done lately?  I just wondered what the cost is to
> repair if anyone knows.

Minimum $95 (one hour), plus parts and any additional labour. Waiting
to find out....

73/GL,

    ~iain / N6ML
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Oct 15 17:19:55 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 17:19:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 fuses
In-Reply-To: <CALcLFqDH6VQJ=quO9mzaxSW1LubwSVj8HGgN2pdgoRiqeAHfDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALcLFqDH6VQJ=quO9mzaxSW1LubwSVj8HGgN2pdgoRiqeAHfDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01ef4a1a-85b9-1b9b-8ff1-5785c8233819@embarqmail.com>

Terry,

The KX3 has internal protection, but a fused power lead (only necessary 
in the positive lead) provides additional protection.  That is important 
IMHO when powered by an external battery - there is a lot of energy in a 
battery, and if the wire is pinched and shorts, it will spew molten metal.

Fuse close to the power source, NOT the radio end of the power cable.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/15/2019 12:54 PM, Terry Basom wrote:
> I was looking at my power leads and realaized I had no fuses in the lines.
> The factory power lead as well had no fuses. I'm about to change that with
> inline fuses.
> 
> I would appreciate any comments..
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From Gary at ka1j.com  Tue Oct 15 17:24:11 2019
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 17:24:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 knob sizes
Message-ID: <5DA638FB.16428.543FEE@Gary.ka1j.com>

I have the CNC weighted knobs with bearing 
dimple on the VFO A knob, non-dimple on 
the B knob. will these transfer to the K4? 
IOW, are they the same size knobs on the 
K4 as the K3?

Cheers!

Gary
KA1J


From Gary at ka1j.com  Tue Oct 15 17:29:48 2019
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 17:29:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 VFO-B knob replacement notes
In-Reply-To: <8e01d09c-e6d7-3938-a343-7221a63c2920@xs4all.nl>
References: <d531240a-b1a4-ad24-7828-d93d0aa61584@xs4all.nl>,
	<8e01d09c-e6d7-3938-a343-7221a63c2920@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <5DA63A4C.18744.596512@Gary.ka1j.com>

However you work it, I tried something and 
it worked/works perfectly with my K3 & K3s 
(which has the off-brand metal knobs).

I took the felt washer and put the Teflon 
plumbers tape on it, I wrapped it so the 
felt is now unseen & the washer looks 
"white" from the tape.

This allowed me to tighten the knob as I 
wished, made the feel to be just as I 
liked and best, there was zero sound as I 
turn the knobs. It was for me, a perfect 
solution to getting the feel and action, 
just right.

73,

Gary
KA1J



> 
> Hi,
> 
> Recently I purchased a K3 and found I need to give it some love as it
> has been a bit behind on maintenance.
> 
> One of the issues is that the VFO B knob has cracked. This is Elecraft
> part number E980090, listed as K3 spare part.
> 
> Unfortunately, that knob is no longer available, and here is where the
> fun starts.
> 
> What is sent instead, is Elecraft part E980275. Both E980090 and
> E980275 are listed but only E980275 is available. The replacement knob
> is smaller, the old knob is 1 3/8", the new knob is 1".
> 
> Just replacing the knob won't work because the felt washer sticks out.
> 
> Also, the encoder is too long and the new knob sticks out - the felt
> washer doesn't work.
> 
> Called Elecraft sales and there is some confusion.
> 
> The errata of the build instruction of the K3S (not K3) explains what
> has happened: - The new knob is smaller - it needs a different felt
> washer, replace E700033 with E700416 - the encoder needs an additional
> lock washer, E700150. - So, if you order a replacement, order all of
> this and plan to have to take the front panel apart.
> 
> None of this is on the elecraft website. I also did not find anything
> in the reflector archives. And it's not in the K3 documentation, only
> the K3S documentation.
> 
> This is kind of painful, since in addition to the price of the spare
> parts I ordered to get the K3 up to date ($173) I spent $80 on
> shipping, customs and postal admin overhead and I now find I have an
> incomplete mod kit.
> 
> I will need to cut the wrongly-ordered felt washer to size and find a
> replacement lock washer to make the encoder sink deeper to match the
> new knob.. Again, this isn't listed in the spare parts on the website
> or on the reflector; it is now documented on the reflector, at least.
> 
> Geert Jan
> 
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Tue Oct 15 17:37:11 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 14:37:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 fuses
In-Reply-To: <01ef4a1a-85b9-1b9b-8ff1-5785c8233819@embarqmail.com>
References: <CALcLFqDH6VQJ=quO9mzaxSW1LubwSVj8HGgN2pdgoRiqeAHfDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<01ef4a1a-85b9-1b9b-8ff1-5785c8233819@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <cd84e4eb-2437-82be-b74d-bfd8dba25d9a@foothill.net>

Well ... yes, best to fuse the + conductor. However, be aware that 
inline fuse holders [and their fuses] are not zero ohm superconducting 
devices.? The best ones seem to be the automotive blade-type [Rig 
Runners use them] with a wide contact surface and wiping action on 
insertion and removal. K<mumbles> [actually, most radios] do not like 
low supply voltages, it increases the IMD among other things.? So after 
installing the fuse, you should adjust your power supply voltage to make 
sure it's not sagging under load from the additional resistance.

In the case of a mobile installation, you should fuse BOTH conductors.? 
Should the connection from the battery to vehicle frame become 
disconnected or high resistance, starting current return will be through 
your radio equipment's chassis and return conductor.? I've never heard 
of this actually happening but then there's a reason aircraft connectors 
are made so things can't be cross connected.

I witnessed a real event where cross connection happened, however with 
apologies to Pierre Fermat, the story is too long to fit in this email.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 10/15/2019 2:19 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Terry,
>
> The KX3 has internal protection, but a fused power lead (only 
> necessary in the positive lead) provides additional protection. That 
> is important IMHO when powered by an external battery - there is a lot 
> of energy in a battery, and if the wire is pinched and shorts, it will 
> spew molten metal.
>
> Fuse close to the power source, NOT the radio end of the power cable.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 10/15/2019 12:54 PM, Terry Basom wrote:
>> I was looking at my power leads and realaized I had no fuses in the 
>> lines.
>> The factory power lead as well had no fuses. I'm about to change that 
>> with
>> inline fuses.
>>
>> I would appreciate any comments..


From kk4vhf at gmail.com  Tue Oct 15 17:42:38 2019
From: kk4vhf at gmail.com (Chris Parfitt)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 17:42:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 fuses
In-Reply-To: <01ef4a1a-85b9-1b9b-8ff1-5785c8233819@embarqmail.com>
References: <CALcLFqDH6VQJ=quO9mzaxSW1LubwSVj8HGgN2pdgoRiqeAHfDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<01ef4a1a-85b9-1b9b-8ff1-5785c8233819@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <329B2331-9C70-4AB1-872B-F79B68B0F68C@gmail.com>

I certainly agree with Don. As I try to keep a modular approach for my equipment, I use Powerpoles on everything. For portable equipment, I created short fused cables from ATC blade fuses (just got them from Walmart or an auto parts store) and some black 12-gauge wire with Powerpoles on both ends. With the Powerpoles, I can use on any cable close to the power source.

Hope this helps,
Chris, AC4MP


> On Oct 15, 2019, at 5:19 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Terry,
> 
> The KX3 has internal protection, but a fused power lead (only necessary in the positive lead) provides additional protection.  That is important IMHO when powered by an external battery - there is a lot of energy in a battery, and if the wire is pinched and shorts, it will spew molten metal.
> 
> Fuse close to the power source, NOT the radio end of the power cable.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 10/15/2019 12:54 PM, Terry Basom wrote:
>> I was looking at my power leads and realaized I had no fuses in the lines.
>> The factory power lead as well had no fuses. I'm about to change that with
>> inline fuses.
>> I would appreciate any comments..
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Oct 15 17:53:46 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 17:53:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 fuses
In-Reply-To: <cd84e4eb-2437-82be-b74d-bfd8dba25d9a@foothill.net>
References: <CALcLFqDH6VQJ=quO9mzaxSW1LubwSVj8HGgN2pdgoRiqeAHfDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<01ef4a1a-85b9-1b9b-8ff1-5785c8233819@embarqmail.com>
	<cd84e4eb-2437-82be-b74d-bfd8dba25d9a@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <6502294d-5652-8c66-65ec-68824ba1dfe4@embarqmail.com>

All,

An additional point in mobile installations - do NOT connect the 
negative directly to the battery.  Follow the negative battery lead to 
the point where that lead connects to the frame.

Many modern vehicles have sensing devices in that path from the battery 
negative and the point where it connects to the frame.  Connecting 
directly to the battery bypasses those important sensors.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/15/2019 5:37 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

> 
> In the case of a mobile installation, you should fuse BOTH conductors. 
> Should the connection from the battery to vehicle frame become 
> disconnected or high resistance, starting current return will be through 
> your radio equipment's chassis and return conductor.? I've never heard 
> of this actually happening but then there's a reason aircraft connectors 
> are made so things can't be cross connected.
> 

From k9ma at sdellington.us  Tue Oct 15 18:07:44 2019
From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 17:07:44 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 VFO-B knob replacement notes
In-Reply-To: <5DA63A4C.18744.596512@Gary.ka1j.com>
References: <d531240a-b1a4-ad24-7828-d93d0aa61584@xs4all.nl>
	<8e01d09c-e6d7-3938-a343-7221a63c2920@xs4all.nl>
	<5DA63A4C.18744.596512@Gary.ka1j.com>
Message-ID: <f28a36db-5527-883f-79ca-598992054a21@sdellington.us>

A few years ago, when the VFO B knob on my K3 cracked, Elecraft sent me 
a free replacement.

Recently, one of the smaller knobs split in two. It was entirely made of 
plastic. I ordered a replacement, which turned out to have a metal 
insert. Clearly, these should have had the insert in the first place. 
OK, the radio is 9 years old, so I don't mind paying for the 
replacements, but still....

73,

Scott K9MA


-- 
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From k8dio at roadrunner.com  Tue Oct 15 18:48:21 2019
From: k8dio at roadrunner.com (Lloyd Korb)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 15:48:21 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 For Sale
Message-ID: <1571179701846-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

K2  s/n 5035

KPA 100 Amplifier

KNB2 Noise Blanker

K160RX 160 meter module

KAF2 Audio filter and Real-Time Clock

KI02 RS-232 Interface and Aux I/O

K60XV and Transverter Adapter

KSB2 SSB Option

 

$800 plus shipping

Lloyd  K8DIO
k8dio (at) roadrunner.com



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From jtmiller47 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 15 22:06:42 2019
From: jtmiller47 at gmail.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 22:06:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Exref?
Message-ID: <4A27B8BF-A1BC-498D-8F3D-EEBC3B166145@gmail.com>

I see there?s a external reference knockout on the K4 back panel but is it a option or is the feature part of the base K4?

73

Jim ab3cv 

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Tue Oct 15 22:38:54 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 19:38:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Exref?
In-Reply-To: <4A27B8BF-A1BC-498D-8F3D-EEBC3B166145@gmail.com>
References: <4A27B8BF-A1BC-498D-8F3D-EEBC3B166145@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AF1140E9-469B-41D6-8E5D-E152B751EA8B@elecraft.com>

Standard. 

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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> On Oct 15, 2019, at 7:06 PM, Jim Miller <jtmiller47 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I see there?s a external reference knockout on the K4 back panel but is it a option or is the feature part of the base K4?
> 
> 73
> 
> Jim ab3cv 
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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Tue Oct 15 22:41:16 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 22:41:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Exref?
In-Reply-To: <4A27B8BF-A1BC-498D-8F3D-EEBC3B166145@gmail.com>
References: <4A27B8BF-A1BC-498D-8F3D-EEBC3B166145@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9B41F2F5-B778-485C-B73A-F984B39B17C7@gmail.com>

I asked this same question some time ago.  I don?t recall whether it was Eric or Wayne that replied, but the answer at the time was that it was standard and not an option.

Grant NQ5T
KX3 (8342)/KXPA100


> On Oct 15, 2019, at 10:06 PM, Jim Miller <jtmiller47 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I see there?s a external reference knockout on the K4 back panel but is it a option or is the feature part of the base K4?
> 
> 73
> 
> Jim ab3cv 
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From dj0qn at gmx.de  Wed Oct 16 00:00:17 2019
From: dj0qn at gmx.de (Mitch Wolfson DJ0QN / K7DX)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 00:00:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for K3/0 mini or non-mini
Message-ID: <76c70055-792c-0357-b631-60caec2b2236@gmx.de>

For an OM in our remote group, I am looking for a used K3/0 (old) or
K3/0 mini.

If anyone has one available in either the U.S. or Europe, please contact
me off list.

73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX

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From noelhqnsu at globetrotter.net  Wed Oct 16 08:44:03 2019
From: noelhqnsu at globetrotter.net (NOEL POULIN)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 08:44:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S WITH MICROKEYER-3
Message-ID: <5bcf4ba1-92c2-4eff-3c25-0d1780035fdf@globetrotter.net>

Hello,

I would? like to know if anybody using the K3 with the new 
MICROKEYER3...before buying one..

I would appreciate comments about the microkeyer3...with the new 24 bits 
audio? processing chain..etc...

Thanks

Noel? ve2ryy/fww



From oldmanshu at icloud.com  Wed Oct 16 10:48:14 2019
From: oldmanshu at icloud.com (Joseph Shuman)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:48:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
Message-ID: <787C43AE-9E08-48A9-BFCC-AB915B8F1349@icloud.com>

Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2.  Here is the reply:  ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.?  OK!  The line has a right to say no. But...

I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems.  I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz.  Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem.  Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology...

Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright.

Keeping Watch-
shu KE8KJZ

Joe Shuman

From kb2m at arrl.net  Wed Oct 16 11:03:16 2019
From: kb2m at arrl.net (jeff griffin)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:03:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
In-Reply-To: <787C43AE-9E08-48A9-BFCC-AB915B8F1349@icloud.com>
References: <787C43AE-9E08-48A9-BFCC-AB915B8F1349@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <000001d58432$d795d610$86c18230$@net>

Try a different cruise line. Last year AMSAT had their annual meeting on a cruise ship. Radio operation was allowed on HF VHF and UHF without any issues from the ships officers. 

73 Jeff kb2m

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joseph Shuman via Elecraft
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:48 AM
To: Elecraft Mail Server
Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines

Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2.  Here is the reply:  ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.?  OK!  The line has a right to say no. But...

I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems.  I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz.  Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem.  Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology...

Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright.

Keeping Watch-
shu KE8KJZ

Joe Shuman
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From dpbunte at gmail.com  Wed Oct 16 11:06:35 2019
From: dpbunte at gmail.com (David Bunte)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:06:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
In-Reply-To: <787C43AE-9E08-48A9-BFCC-AB915B8F1349@icloud.com>
References: <787C43AE-9E08-48A9-BFCC-AB915B8F1349@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CANCJpbRiozSUhPzucj8Q4727xMyPbO3BYFrJTyHnuE_8OVTKFA@mail.gmail.com>

Joe -

A few years ago tethered was a QCWA group that cruised in the Caribbean on
a Holland America ship. They had two stations set up with permission of the
Cruise Line. It turns out that the fellow who played in the Piano Bar each
evening was also a Ham and operated as well. I worked them from home on 40
CW. Then another friend went on an Alaska Cruise, also with Holland America
and secured permission to bring his QRP rig and a whip antenna that he
clamped to a deck railing to get on the air.

I realize that the most recent of these was about 7 or 8 years ago but my
guess is that you got the ?standard? response, and would encourage you to
keep trying.

73 de Dave  -  K9FN

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 10:49 AM Joseph Shuman via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about
> operating at sea with a KX2.  Here is the reply:  ?Ham Radios, Shortwave
> Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on
> board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational
> equipment.?  OK!  The line has a right to say no. But...
>
> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the
> transmission RF envelope with no interference problems.  I know maritime
> uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF
> frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency
> communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz.  Most
> ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so
> there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that
> are no problem.  Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things
> about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in
> our technology...
>
> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a
> OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the
> easy answer: ban all Hams outright.
>
> Keeping Watch-
> shu KE8KJZ
>
> Joe Shuman
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From john at kn5l.net  Wed Oct 16 11:09:30 2019
From: john at kn5l.net (John Oppenheimer)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:09:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
In-Reply-To: <787C43AE-9E08-48A9-BFCC-AB915B8F1349@icloud.com>
References: <787C43AE-9E08-48A9-BFCC-AB915B8F1349@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <71e157d0-c718-f3af-03f3-9a43b1e7f3ce@kn5l.net>

Hi Joe,

Some cruise lines do allow ham radio. A presentation:
https://wparc.us/presentations/Cruise-Ham-Radio-Presentation-1.pdf

KX3 on Carnival:  https://www.kn5l.net/hp0/

John KN5L

From kb1tcd at gmail.com  Wed Oct 16 11:13:06 2019
From: kb1tcd at gmail.com (Jose P Douglas)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:13:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
In-Reply-To: <787C43AE-9E08-48A9-BFCC-AB915B8F1349@icloud.com>
References: <787C43AE-9E08-48A9-BFCC-AB915B8F1349@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <6385ebdf-8689-2434-b39e-4cc133f57534@gmail.com>

Seems to me you can bring your radio on board, just not operate! What if 
you want to operate on one of the stops???

I personally wouldn't have contacted the cruise line, I'd? bring the 
radio on board and talk to the captain, explaining you are doing HF and 
not interfering whatsoever. You never know, maybe he's a ham.

I'm going to Ecuador in a couple of weeks, one of my HF radios is coming 
with me...

73 de Jose Douglas KB1TCD


On 10/16/2019 10:48 AM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2.  Here is the reply:  ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.?  OK!  The line has a right to say no. But...
>
> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems.  I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz.  Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem.  Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology...
>
> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright.
>
> Keeping Watch-
> shu KE8KJZ
>
> Joe Shuman
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From elecraft at ag5ut.radio  Wed Oct 16 12:08:37 2019
From: elecraft at ag5ut.radio (Daniel Solano =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=F3mez?=)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:08:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
In-Reply-To: <787C43AE-9E08-48A9-BFCC-AB915B8F1349@icloud.com>
References: <787C43AE-9E08-48A9-BFCC-AB915B8F1349@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <20191016160837.BF9CDE131@sarasvati.sattvik.com>

Hello, Joe,

Yeah, operating on a cruise line is tricky.  I talked to someone a couple of weeks ago that organises cruises with amateur operation, and he made it clear it is not straightforward.  I think the ARRL has a decent page on operting on international waters at <http://www.arrl.org/maritime-mobile-operation-in-international-waters>.

In particular, they talk about:

* You need to have permission from the cruise line to bring your radio on board, regardless of whether you operate on board

* Permission from the ship?s captain to operate on board

* Need to have reciprocal priveleges to operate in whatever territorial waters you happen to be in

* If the ship is in international waters, you are subject to the jurisdiction of the country to which the ship is registered.  So, if it is a U.S.-registered ship (not likely), you follow part 97 rules as usual.  Otherwise, you will need priveleges to operate in the country to which the ship is registered.


So, it?s not simple.  Say you had permission from the cruise line and captain to operate on a cruise ship registered in Panama.  While in U.S. territorial waters, U.S. rules apply.  When you enter international waters, Panama rules apply.  When you enter the territorial waters of a stop, e.g. Mexico, Jamaica, those rules apply.

Best wishes!

73,

Daniel, AG5UT

On mi? oct 16 10:48 2019, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2.  Here is the reply:  ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.?  OK!  The line has a right to say no. But...
> 
> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems.  I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz.  Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem.  Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology...
> 
> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright.
> 
> Keeping Watch-
> shu KE8KJZ
> 
> Joe Shuman
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From kevin at ve3syb.ca  Wed Oct 16 12:26:14 2019
From: kevin at ve3syb.ca (Kevin Cozens)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 12:26:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
In-Reply-To: <787C43AE-9E08-48A9-BFCC-AB915B8F1349@icloud.com>
References: <787C43AE-9E08-48A9-BFCC-AB915B8F1349@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <752e48fc-d1bb-ffce-87bf-717d3aa15b0e@ve3syb.ca>

On 2019-10-16 10:48 a.m., Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
> ???Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or
> standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of
> interfering with onboard navigational equipment.???

That sounds like they don't know much about the difference between receiving 
only radios and ones that can also transmit. For a shortwave radio to cause 
a problem for the onboard nav equipment there would have to be something 
very wrong with either the shortwave radio or the navigation equipment.

Perhaps it is partly post-911 paranoia. The first time I went on a cruise 
(several decades ago now), I took my Sony ICF 2010 shortwave radio on its 
first vacation. In fact, I bought the radio not long before I was to go on 
the cruise for that very purpose. It never occurred to me to ask if it was 
ok to use onboard. I used it out in the open with the whip extended and no 
one ever said anything about it.

-- 
Cheers!

Kevin.

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https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and
                                     | that's why we're powerful"
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From rwnewbould at comcast.net  Wed Oct 16 14:32:52 2019
From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:32:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
In-Reply-To: <787C43AE-9E08-48A9-BFCC-AB915B8F1349@icloud.com>
References: <787C43AE-9E08-48A9-BFCC-AB915B8F1349@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <647031b9-ce80-45de-85cc-a7c4a78a6e61@comcast.net>

I just went on Royal Caribbean and right in the list of prohibited 
articles such as guns, knives, explosives etc.?? They list Ham Radio 
equipment as prohibited.

Rich

K3RWN

On 10/16/2019 10:48 AM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2.  Here is the reply:  ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.?  OK!  The line has a right to say no. But...
>
> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems.  I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz.  Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem.  Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology...
>
> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright.
>
> Keeping Watch-
> shu KE8KJZ
>
> Joe Shuman
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From n4zr at comcast.net  Wed Oct 16 16:08:39 2019
From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:08:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
In-Reply-To: <752e48fc-d1bb-ffce-87bf-717d3aa15b0e@ve3syb.ca>
References: <787C43AE-9E08-48A9-BFCC-AB915B8F1349@icloud.com>
	<752e48fc-d1bb-ffce-87bf-717d3aa15b0e@ve3syb.ca>
Message-ID: <0ca39661-997c-1a24-2178-7b1134d47e8c@comcast.net>

Good thing you didn't pick it up and talk into it? ;^)

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

On 10/16/2019 12:26 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote:
> On 2019-10-16 10:48 a.m., Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
>> ???Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or
>> standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of
>> interfering with onboard navigational equipment.???
>
> That sounds like they don't know much about the difference between 
> receiving only radios and ones that can also transmit. For a shortwave 
> radio to cause a problem for the onboard nav equipment there would 
> have to be something very wrong with either the shortwave radio or the 
> navigation equipment.
>
> Perhaps it is partly post-911 paranoia. The first time I went on a 
> cruise (several decades ago now), I took my Sony ICF 2010 shortwave 
> radio on its first vacation. In fact, I bought the radio not long 
> before I was to go on the cruise for that very purpose. It never 
> occurred to me to ask if it was ok to use onboard. I used it out in 
> the open with the whip extended and no one ever said anything about it.
>

From n6jpa.1 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 16 16:15:28 2019
From: n6jpa.1 at gmail.com (Keith N6JPA)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 13:15:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
Message-ID: <cb3a03d1-a309-673d-3e52-483f3f711760@gmail.com>

<https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed>

All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.



From elecraftcovers at gmail.com  Wed Oct 16 16:21:43 2019
From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:21:43 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
In-Reply-To: <cb3a03d1-a309-673d-3e52-483f3f711760@gmail.com>
References: <cb3a03d1-a309-673d-3e52-483f3f711760@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAK+fsRXwPrqLcnmHTcSyt-fu2VAhdMu9MfEWcGfoptJm-=-MmQ@mail.gmail.com>

Good news!  Yahoo Groups is awful!

73

Ken - K0PP

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019, 14:16 Keith N6JPA <n6jpa.1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> <
> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed
> >
>
> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.
>
>
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From mails at qrp4fun.de  Wed Oct 16 16:49:22 2019
From: mails at qrp4fun.de (Ingo Meyer, DK3RED)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 22:49:22 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
In-Reply-To: <cb3a03d1-a309-673d-3e52-483f3f711760@gmail.com>
References: <cb3a03d1-a309-673d-3e52-483f3f711760@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ad5a3ea-4e50-c2b0-ef24-b2cd299b1407@qrp4fun.de>

Hello Keith,


> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed> 
> 
> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.

Stay calm! The site says also: "Yahoo's announcement says that the site will continue to 
exist, but all public groups will be made private and require administrator approval to join."


73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de

From W2xj at w2xj.net  Wed Oct 16 16:51:46 2019
From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:51:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
In-Reply-To: <cb3a03d1-a309-673d-3e52-483f3f711760@gmail.com>
References: <cb3a03d1-a309-673d-3e52-483f3f711760@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EE058B21-7E30-4A21-815E-9D40B94910E5@w2xj.net>

not really. The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email.

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 4:16 PM, Keith N6JPA <n6jpa.1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?<https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed>
> 
> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.
> 
> 
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From jim at rhodesend.net  Wed Oct 16 17:04:57 2019
From: jim at rhodesend.net (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:04:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
In-Reply-To: <EE058B21-7E30-4A21-815E-9D40B94910E5@w2xj.net>
References: <cb3a03d1-a309-673d-3e52-483f3f711760@gmail.com>
	<EE058B21-7E30-4A21-815E-9D40B94910E5@w2xj.net>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4a9-hjbWzxJSCEeH4sVnsFpERgtXTkQ02retEcxDzPgKg@mail.gmail.com>

I joined a yahoo group once a long time ago and my spam count went up by a
factor of at least 10. I guess you were expected to go through and check
boxes on everything you did not want to get spam from. So I changed my ISP
and never went back to Yahoo. For anything.

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 3:52 PM W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net> wrote:

> not really. The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have
> to learn how to use real email.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Oct 16, 2019, at 4:16 PM, Keith N6JPA <n6jpa.1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?<
> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed
> >
> >
> > All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.
> >
> >
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Wed Oct 16 17:17:14 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:17:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
In-Reply-To: <cb3a03d1-a309-673d-3e52-483f3f711760@gmail.com>
References: <cb3a03d1-a309-673d-3e52-483f3f711760@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b547231f-5534-9bcc-0dbb-48b02500886f@blomand.net>

There is a very nice Elecraft group at the following link:

https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-K3


        Group Description

For people interested in the Elecraft K3 and K3S radios. Share 
information and learn about these awesome radios from the people that 
operate them.

When joining the group, put something intelligent in the comment box so 
that I know that you are actually interested in the K3/K3S and are not a 
spammer. HINT- A callsign as your user name and/or in the comment box 
will do fine.


        Group Information

  * 3,156 Members
  * 16,631 Topics, Last Post:Oct 15
  * Started on05/04/07


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73

Bob, K4TAX


On 10/16/2019 3:15 PM, Keith N6JPA wrote:
> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed> 
>
>
> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.
>
>
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Wed Oct 16 17:26:37 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:26:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
In-Reply-To: <787C43AE-9E08-48A9-BFCC-AB915B8F1349@icloud.com>
References: <787C43AE-9E08-48A9-BFCC-AB915B8F1349@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <1f9d6de6-e54b-5c6a-afe2-5e4aa8a27008@foothill.net>

Don't know if this info will help but ... in 2005, we booked a cruise on 
Princess from Ft. Lauderdale thru the Canal to Los Angeles.? It was 16 
days which was about 5 days too many, I really began to get tired of the 
Big White Boat.? The Canal transit was fantastic though.? I wrote to 
Princess asking to take my KX1, and included photos and specifications 
of the radio, LiFePO4 battery [with DOT certification], and antenna as 
any good engineer would do.? The answer was swift ... "Absolutely not, 
you might interfere with the [-------] which included navigation, 
communications, lifeboat radios, microwave ovens, pool pumps, and 
blenders in the bars, and it might start a fire among other such things 
as we may think of."

On the premise that while HQ may think they're in charge the Captain 
actually runs the ship, I took my wireless apparatus anyway.? After 
settling in, and noting the small size of our "balcony" which more 
resembled a "shelf" and wondering how I was going to turn this into a 
radio shack, I took my stuff to the purser's desk where I showed a very 
young 8th or 9th officer my license, explained my radio, and answered 
his questions.? He was particularly interested in the KXPD1 touch 
paddle.? He told me I had the Captain's permission to use my radio while 
at sea, but not in public spaces and I was not to remove any paint.? He 
willingly wrote this into my ARRL mini-logbook into which I also logged 
a dozen Q's while in the Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico, all SA.

Our cabin was on the port side [left as you face the pointy part of the 
boat] which put a few thousand tons of steel between me and North 
America for essentially the entire trip.? I did hear one NA signal, very 
weak, W9RE working some contest.? In the end, trying to get something to 
radiate from our "shelf" turned out to be quite a bit of trial and 
error, and the thrill of operating afloat waned.? I have a base-loaded 
knock-off of an M1 whip, however the resonator looks an awful lot like a 
pipe bomb on the airport X-Ray and I chose a random wire instead since 
I'm already toast at TSA with braces on my legs and some scrap metal in 
my shoulder.

Our kids gave us an Alaskan cruise for our 40th anniversary.? It was 
Holland America, I did the letter thing and they said "As long as you 
have the proper license, you're welcome to bring your wireless device."? 
I ultimately left it home and just enjoyed the cruise.? YMMV

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 10/16/2019 7:48 AM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2.  Here is the reply:  ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.?  OK!  The line has a right to say no. But...
>
> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems.  I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz.  Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem.  Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology...
>
> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright.
>
> Keeping Watch-
> shu KE8KJZ
>
> Joe Shuman
>


From rick at tavan.com  Wed Oct 16 17:37:38 2019
From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:37:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
In-Reply-To: <787C43AE-9E08-48A9-BFCC-AB915B8F1349@icloud.com>
References: <787C43AE-9E08-48A9-BFCC-AB915B8F1349@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CANVONA+fD8DNKfMxcnx+A4keqfko0b1T83cMD=TUnrFWf0=UGQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, cruise lines and their captains are all over the map on ham radio.
FWIW, I sailed from FO to VP6 in June/July this year with a letter of
authorization to operate in FO. On the M.S. Paul Gaugin, I requested and
received permission to operate on board. I first asked our cabin steward
who sent a junior officer from Engineering to talk to me. I explained that
I wanted to string an antenna across the pool deck, out of reach of people
and only while in use. He understood, took the request to a higher
authority, and relayed verbal permission back through the cabin steward. No
idea how high up the chain it went. I only operated on board for about an
hour while anchored off Pitcairn. It was fun but I was very weak. Did
better on land from FO.

Ponant Cruise Line recently bought the Gaugin. Dunno what that will do.
I've sailed with Ponant but never took radio gear.

/Rick N6XI

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 7:49 AM Joseph Shuman via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about
> operating at sea with a KX2.  Here is the reply:  ?Ham Radios, Shortwave
> Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on
> board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational
> equipment.?  OK!  The line has a right to say no. But...
>
> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the
> transmission RF envelope with no interference problems.  I know maritime
> uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF
> frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency
> communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz.  Most
> ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so
> there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that
> are no problem.  Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things
> about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in
> our technology...
>
> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a
> OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the
> easy answer: ban all Hams outright.
>
> Keeping Watch-
> shu KE8KJZ
>
> Joe Shuman
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-- 
--

Rick Tavan
Truckee and Saratoga, CA

From a.durbin at msn.com  Wed Oct 16 19:19:10 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 23:19:10 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB29683A8FC592A3777AEAD3C48C920@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email"

Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here.

I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board.  That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way.

Andy, k3wyc

From W2xj at w2xj.net  Wed Oct 16 19:52:57 2019
From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 19:52:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB29683A8FC592A3777AEAD3C48C920@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29683A8FC592A3777AEAD3C48C920@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <C61FE46C-D250-4116-80E8-5A3ED0AB0149@w2xj.net>

gee, I can do all that on my own but then I was never on AOL and became conditioned to use the web as a crutch. Learn some computer skills!

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?"The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email"
> 
> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here.
> 
> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board.  That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way.
> 
> Andy, k3wyc
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From lists at subich.com  Wed Oct 16 20:06:34 2019
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 20:06:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB29683A8FC592A3777AEAD3C48C920@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29683A8FC592A3777AEAD3C48C920@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <ea3e9a99-ba95-5d1f-e4f9-c3bf7c28dfaf@subich.com>

On 2019-10-16 7:19 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:

 > Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers 
learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a 
searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest 
without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here.

Text only e-mail lists are far more secure than web based html systems
with embedded files/graphics/trackers and forced "reply to all".  The
web based html systems only expose all users to a tremendous variety
of security and privacy issues that do  not exist in a well controlled
text only e-mail system.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2019-10-16 7:19 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:
> "The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email"
> 
> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here.
> 
> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board.  That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way.
> 
> Andy, k3wyc



From a.durbin at msn.com  Wed Oct 16 20:11:47 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 00:11:47 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
In-Reply-To: <C61FE46C-D250-4116-80E8-5A3ED0AB0149@w2xj.net>
References: <BYAPR16MB29683A8FC592A3777AEAD3C48C920@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>,
	<C61FE46C-D250-4116-80E8-5A3ED0AB0149@w2xj.net>
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB296855D8090FCEF7299EC62F8C920@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

I don't understand your reply.  What exactly is it that you can do on your own that distinguishes your skill level from that of a "luddite"?

Andy, k3wyc


________________________________
From: W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 4:52 PM
To: Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline

gee, I can do all that on my own but then I was never on AOL and became conditioned to use the web as a crutch. Learn some computer skills!

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote:
>
> ?"The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email"
>
> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here.
>
> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board.  That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way.
>
> Andy, k3wyc


From thos at fonebone.net  Wed Oct 16 20:11:48 2019
From: thos at fonebone.net (Tom Redfern)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 17:11:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
In-Reply-To: <cb3a03d1-a309-673d-3e52-483f3f711760@gmail.com>
References: <cb3a03d1-a309-673d-3e52-483f3f711760@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ee8db372-6ef8-7b12-cd50-0ee0c8709b5d@fonebone.net>


Sorry,? I'm just dropping in on the thread.? So Yahoo isn't doing well.
No surprise. Google started out as an improved search engine, then went
down hill.? They too could be replaced and the world would be better off.

I note that this Elecraft list is run under mailman and at qth.net the
way real list servers should be.? I'm guessing this Yahoo thing has
nothing to with this list.? No need to reply unless the news is bad :-)

-- Tom W7EZT

On 10/16/19 1:15 PM, Keith N6JPA wrote:
> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed>
>
>
> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.
>
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From oldmanshu at icloud.com  Wed Oct 16 20:13:09 2019
From: oldmanshu at icloud.com (Joseph Shuman)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 20:13:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  Cruise Lines
Message-ID: <13EDA1DC-DAC2-4CC7-8EAA-236C8E27FA7C@icloud.com>

Lots of great info, thanks.  I looked at the boarding documents and the same language is on the ?restricted items? list in bold print.  Don?t want to mention the cruise line, but Mickey has pooped on my plans.

It?s a small world after all...  

Keeping Watch-
shu

Joe Shuman

From xdavid at cis-broadband.com  Wed Oct 16 20:22:36 2019
From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 17:22:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB296855D8090FCEF7299EC62F8C920@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29683A8FC592A3777AEAD3C48C920@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<C61FE46C-D250-4116-80E8-5A3ED0AB0149@w2xj.net>
	<BYAPR16MB296855D8090FCEF7299EC62F8C920@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <3121d532-16c6-8ee6-b00c-a07d7462f305@cis-broadband.com>


K3WYC,

What makes you think your snide and disparaging generalizations toward 
other users here ... on a topic that was already terminated by Elecraft 
... is going to sway anything in your favor???

Dave?? AB7E



On 10/16/2019 5:11 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:
> I don't understand your reply.  What exactly is it that you can do on your own that distinguishes your skill level from that of a "luddite"?
>
> Andy, k3wyc
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 4:52 PM
> To: Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
>
> gee, I can do all that on my own but then I was never on AOL and became conditioned to use the web as a crutch. Learn some computer skills!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?"The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email"
>>
>> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here.
>>
>> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board.  That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way.
>>
>> Andy, k3wyc
>


From elecraftcovers at gmail.com  Wed Oct 16 20:25:18 2019
From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 18:25:18 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
In-Reply-To: <3121d532-16c6-8ee6-b00c-a07d7462f305@cis-broadband.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29683A8FC592A3777AEAD3C48C920@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<C61FE46C-D250-4116-80E8-5A3ED0AB0149@w2xj.net>
	<BYAPR16MB296855D8090FCEF7299EC62F8C920@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<3121d532-16c6-8ee6-b00c-a07d7462f305@cis-broadband.com>
Message-ID: <CAK+fsRXsp=tfMjg7ZRwoB51gWvUXzcvFF2-P-yyuz1n_zoM3rw@mail.gmail.com>

Well said, Dave ...

73

Ken Kopp - K0PP

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019, 18:23 David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com> wrote:

>
> K3WYC,
>
> What makes you think your snide and disparaging generalizations toward
> other users here ... on a topic that was already terminated by Elecraft
> ... is going to sway anything in your favor???
>
> Dave   AB7E
>
>
>
> On 10/16/2019 5:11 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:
> > I don't understand your reply.  What exactly is it that you can do on
> your own that distinguishes your skill level from that of a "luddite"?
> >
> > Andy, k3wyc
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 4:52 PM
> > To: Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com>
> > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
> >
> > gee, I can do all that on my own but then I was never on AOL and became
> conditioned to use the web as a crutch. Learn some computer skills!
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?"The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to
> learn how to use real email"
> >>
> >> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers
> learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a
> searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest
> without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here.
> >>
> >> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin
> board.  That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only
> way.
> >>
> >> Andy, k3wyc
> >
>
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From witmerjr at gmail.com  Wed Oct 16 20:32:02 2019
From: witmerjr at gmail.com (Bob Witmer)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 20:32:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 186, Issue 13 Cruise Lines ...
In-Reply-To: <mailman.4665.1571271199.13236.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.4665.1571271199.13236.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <B4AB0FC2-69C3-4E9D-9F3C-BC92467E6639@gmail.com>


Avoid Royal Caribbean!!!

On my last cruise I asked the Captain why Ham Radio was prohibited - he had no idea what Ham Radio was ...

Bob,  W3RW

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>   1. K3S WITH MICROKEYER-3 (NOEL POULIN)
>   2. Cruise Lines (Joseph Shuman)
>   3. Re: Cruise Lines (jeff griffin)
>   4. Re: Cruise Lines (David Bunte)
>   5. Re: Cruise Lines (John Oppenheimer)
>   6. Re: Cruise Lines (Jose P Douglas)
>   7. Re: Cruise Lines (Daniel Solano G?mez)
>   8. Re: Cruise Lines (Kevin Cozens)
>   9. Re: Cruise Lines (Rich)
>  10. Re: Cruise Lines (N4ZR)
>  11. OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Keith N6JPA)
>  12. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Rose)
>  13. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Ingo Meyer, DK3RED)
>  14. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (W2xj)
>  15. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Jim Rhodes)
>  16. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
>  17. Re: Cruise Lines (Fred Jensen)
>  18. Re: Cruise Lines (Rick Tavan)
>  19. OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Andy Durbin)
>  20. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (W2xj)
>  21. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Joe Subich, W4TV)
>  22. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Andy Durbin)
>  23. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Tom Redfern)
>  24.  Cruise Lines (Joseph Shuman)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 08:44:03 -0400
> From: NOEL POULIN <noelhqnsu at globetrotter.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S WITH MICROKEYER-3
> Message-ID: <5bcf4ba1-92c2-4eff-3c25-0d1780035fdf at globetrotter.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I would? like to know if anybody using the K3 with the new 
> MICROKEYER3...before buying one..
> 
> I would appreciate comments about the microkeyer3...with the new 24 bits 
> audio? processing chain..etc...
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Noel? ve2ryy/fww
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:48:14 -0400
> From: Joseph Shuman <oldmanshu at icloud.com>
> To: Elecraft Mail Server <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
> Message-ID: <787C43AE-9E08-48A9-BFCC-AB915B8F1349 at icloud.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
> 
> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2.  Here is the reply:  ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.?  OK!  The line has a right to say no. But...
> 
> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems.  I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz.  Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem.  Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology...
> 
> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright.
> 
> Keeping Watch-
> shu KE8KJZ
> 
> Joe Shuman
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:03:16 -0400
> From: "jeff griffin" <kb2m at arrl.net>
> To: "'Joseph Shuman'" <oldmanshu at icloud.com>
> Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
> Message-ID: <000001d58432$d795d610$86c18230$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="utf-8"
> 
> Try a different cruise line. Last year AMSAT had their annual meeting on a cruise ship. Radio operation was allowed on HF VHF and UHF without any issues from the ships officers. 
> 
> 73 Jeff kb2m
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joseph Shuman via Elecraft
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:48 AM
> To: Elecraft Mail Server
> Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
> 
> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2.  Here is the reply:  ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.?  OK!  The line has a right to say no. But...
> 
> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems.  I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz.  Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem.  Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology...
> 
> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright.
> 
> Keeping Watch-
> shu KE8KJZ
> 
> Joe Shuman
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:06:35 -0400
> From: David Bunte <dpbunte at gmail.com>
> To: Joseph Shuman <oldmanshu at icloud.com>
> Cc: Elecraft Mail Server <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
> Message-ID:
>    <CANCJpbRiozSUhPzucj8Q4727xMyPbO3BYFrJTyHnuE_8OVTKFA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> Joe -
> 
> A few years ago tethered was a QCWA group that cruised in the Caribbean on
> a Holland America ship. They had two stations set up with permission of the
> Cruise Line. It turns out that the fellow who played in the Piano Bar each
> evening was also a Ham and operated as well. I worked them from home on 40
> CW. Then another friend went on an Alaska Cruise, also with Holland America
> and secured permission to bring his QRP rig and a whip antenna that he
> clamped to a deck railing to get on the air.
> 
> I realize that the most recent of these was about 7 or 8 years ago but my
> guess is that you got the ?standard? response, and would encourage you to
> keep trying.
> 
> 73 de Dave  -  K9FN
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 10:49 AM Joseph Shuman via Elecraft <
>> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about
>> operating at sea with a KX2.  Here is the reply:  ?Ham Radios, Shortwave
>> Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on
>> board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational
>> equipment.?  OK!  The line has a right to say no. But...
>> 
>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the
>> transmission RF envelope with no interference problems.  I know maritime
>> uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF
>> frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency
>> communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz.  Most
>> ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so
>> there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that
>> are no problem.  Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things
>> about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in
>> our technology...
>> 
>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a
>> OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the
>> easy answer: ban all Hams outright.
>> 
>> Keeping Watch-
>> shu KE8KJZ
>> 
>> Joe Shuman
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:09:30 -0500
> From: John Oppenheimer <john at kn5l.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
> Message-ID: <71e157d0-c718-f3af-03f3-9a43b1e7f3ce at kn5l.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Hi Joe,
> 
> Some cruise lines do allow ham radio. A presentation:
> https://wparc.us/presentations/Cruise-Ham-Radio-Presentation-1.pdf
> 
> KX3 on Carnival:  https://www.kn5l.net/hp0/
> 
> John KN5L
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:13:06 -0400
> From: Jose P Douglas <kb1tcd at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
> Message-ID: <6385ebdf-8689-2434-b39e-4cc133f57534 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Seems to me you can bring your radio on board, just not operate! What if 
> you want to operate on one of the stops???
> 
> I personally wouldn't have contacted the cruise line, I'd? bring the 
> radio on board and talk to the captain, explaining you are doing HF and 
> not interfering whatsoever. You never know, maybe he's a ham.
> 
> I'm going to Ecuador in a couple of weeks, one of my HF radios is coming 
> with me...
> 
> 73 de Jose Douglas KB1TCD
> 
> 
>> On 10/16/2019 10:48 AM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2.  Here is the reply:  ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.?  OK!  The line has a right to say no. But...
>> 
>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems.  I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz.  Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem.  Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology...
>> 
>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright.
>> 
>> Keeping Watch-
>> shu KE8KJZ
>> 
>> Joe Shuman
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:08:37 -0500
> From: Daniel Solano G?mez <elecraft at ag5ut.radio>
> To: Joseph Shuman via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
> Message-ID: <20191016160837.BF9CDE131 at sarasvati.sattvik.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Hello, Joe,
> 
> Yeah, operating on a cruise line is tricky.  I talked to someone a couple of weeks ago that organises cruises with amateur operation, and he made it clear it is not straightforward.  I think the ARRL has a decent page on operting on international waters at <http://www.arrl.org/maritime-mobile-operation-in-international-waters>.
> 
> In particular, they talk about:
> 
> * You need to have permission from the cruise line to bring your radio on board, regardless of whether you operate on board
> 
> * Permission from the ship?s captain to operate on board
> 
> * Need to have reciprocal priveleges to operate in whatever territorial waters you happen to be in
> 
> * If the ship is in international waters, you are subject to the jurisdiction of the country to which the ship is registered.  So, if it is a U.S.-registered ship (not likely), you follow part 97 rules as usual.  Otherwise, you will need priveleges to operate in the country to which the ship is registered.
> 
> 
> So, it?s not simple.  Say you had permission from the cruise line and captain to operate on a cruise ship registered in Panama.  While in U.S. territorial waters, U.S. rules apply.  When you enter international waters, Panama rules apply.  When you enter the territorial waters of a stop, e.g. Mexico, Jamaica, those rules apply.
> 
> Best wishes!
> 
> 73,
> 
> Daniel, AG5UT
> 
>> On mi? oct 16 10:48 2019, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2.  Here is the reply:  ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.?  OK!  The line has a right to say no. But...
>> 
>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems.  I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz.  Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem.  Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology...
>> 
>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright.
>> 
>> Keeping Watch-
>> shu KE8KJZ
>> 
>> Joe Shuman
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 12:26:14 -0400
> From: Kevin Cozens <kevin at ve3syb.ca>
> To: K2 <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
> Message-ID: <752e48fc-d1bb-ffce-87bf-717d3aa15b0e at ve3syb.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
>> On 2019-10-16 10:48 a.m., Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
>> ???Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or
>> standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of
>> interfering with onboard navigational equipment.???
> 
> That sounds like they don't know much about the difference between receiving 
> only radios and ones that can also transmit. For a shortwave radio to cause 
> a problem for the onboard nav equipment there would have to be something 
> very wrong with either the shortwave radio or the navigation equipment.
> 
> Perhaps it is partly post-911 paranoia. The first time I went on a cruise 
> (several decades ago now), I took my Sony ICF 2010 shortwave radio on its 
> first vacation. In fact, I bought the radio not long before I was to go on 
> the cruise for that very purpose. It never occurred to me to ask if it was 
> ok to use onboard. I used it out in the open with the whip extended and no 
> one ever said anything about it.
> 
> -- 
> Cheers!
> 
> Kevin.
> 
> http://www.ve3syb.ca/               | "Nerds make the shiny things that
> https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and
>                                     | that's why we're powerful"
> Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172          |
> #include <disclaimer/favourite>     |             --Chris Hardwick
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:32:52 -0400
> From: Rich <rwnewbould at comcast.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
> Message-ID: <647031b9-ce80-45de-85cc-a7c4a78a6e61 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> I just went on Royal Caribbean and right in the list of prohibited 
> articles such as guns, knives, explosives etc.?? They list Ham Radio 
> equipment as prohibited.
> 
> Rich
> 
> K3RWN
> 
>> On 10/16/2019 10:48 AM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2.  Here is the reply:  ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.?  OK!  The line has a right to say no. But...
>> 
>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems.  I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz.  Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem.  Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology...
>> 
>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright.
>> 
>> Keeping Watch-
>> shu KE8KJZ
>> 
>> Joe Shuman
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:08:39 -0400
> From: N4ZR <n4zr at comcast.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
> Message-ID: <0ca39661-997c-1a24-2178-7b1134d47e8c at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Good thing you didn't pick it up and talk into it? ;^)
> 
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
> at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
> spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
> For spots, please use your favorite
> "retail" DX cluster.
> 
>> On 10/16/2019 12:26 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote:
>>> On 2019-10-16 10:48 a.m., Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
>>> ???Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or
>>> standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of
>>> interfering with onboard navigational equipment.???
>> 
>> That sounds like they don't know much about the difference between 
>> receiving only radios and ones that can also transmit. For a shortwave 
>> radio to cause a problem for the onboard nav equipment there would 
>> have to be something very wrong with either the shortwave radio or the 
>> navigation equipment.
>> 
>> Perhaps it is partly post-911 paranoia. The first time I went on a 
>> cruise (several decades ago now), I took my Sony ICF 2010 shortwave 
>> radio on its first vacation. In fact, I bought the radio not long 
>> before I was to go on the cruise for that very purpose. It never 
>> occurred to me to ask if it was ok to use onboard. I used it out in 
>> the open with the whip extended and no one ever said anything about it.
>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 13:15:28 -0700
> From: Keith N6JPA <n6jpa.1 at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
> Message-ID: <cb3a03d1-a309-673d-3e52-483f3f711760 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed>
> 
> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:21:43 -0600
> From: Rose <elecraftcovers at gmail.com>
> To: Keith N6JPA <n6jpa.1 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
> Message-ID:
>    <CAK+fsRXwPrqLcnmHTcSyt-fu2VAhdMu9MfEWcGfoptJm-=-MmQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> Good news!  Yahoo Groups is awful!
> 
> 73
> 
> Ken - K0PP
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019, 14:16 Keith N6JPA <n6jpa.1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> <
>> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed
>>> 
>> 
>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.
>> 
>> 
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 22:49:22 +0200
> From: "Ingo Meyer, DK3RED" <mails at qrp4fun.de>
> To: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
> Message-ID: <2ad5a3ea-4e50-c2b0-ef24-b2cd299b1407 at qrp4fun.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Hello Keith,
> 
> 
>> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed>
>> 
>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.
> 
> Stay calm! The site says also: "Yahoo's announcement says that the site will continue to 
> exist, but all public groups will be made private and require administrator approval to join."
> 
> 
> 73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
> www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:51:46 -0400
> From: W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net>
> To: Keith N6JPA <n6jpa.1 at gmail.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
> Message-ID: <EE058B21-7E30-4A21-815E-9D40B94910E5 at w2xj.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> not really. The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 4:16 PM, Keith N6JPA <n6jpa.1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?<https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed>
>> 
>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.
>> 
>> 
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:04:57 -0500
> From: Jim Rhodes <jim at rhodesend.net>
> To: W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
> Message-ID:
>    <CALhxr4a9-hjbWzxJSCEeH4sVnsFpERgtXTkQ02retEcxDzPgKg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> I joined a yahoo group once a long time ago and my spam count went up by a
> factor of at least 10. I guess you were expected to go through and check
> boxes on everything you did not want to get spam from. So I changed my ISP
> and never went back to Yahoo. For anything.
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 3:52 PM W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net> wrote:
>> 
>> not really. The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have
>> to learn how to use real email.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 4:16 PM, Keith N6JPA <n6jpa.1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?<
>> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed
>>> 
>>> 
>>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:17:14 -0500
> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
> Message-ID: <b547231f-5534-9bcc-0dbb-48b02500886f at blomand.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> There is a very nice Elecraft group at the following link:
> 
> https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-K3
> 
> 
>        Group Description
> 
> For people interested in the Elecraft K3 and K3S radios. Share 
> information and learn about these awesome radios from the people that 
> operate them.
> 
> When joining the group, put something intelligent in the comment box so 
> that I know that you are actually interested in the K3/K3S and are not a 
> spammer. HINT- A callsign as your user name and/or in the comment box 
> will do fine.
> 
> 
>        Group Information
> 
>  * 3,156 Members
>  * 16,631 Topics, Last Post:Oct 15
>  * Started on05/04/07
> 
> 
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> 
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>  * Archives are visible to anyone.
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>  * Members can edit their messages.
>  * Members can set their subscriptions to no email.
> 
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
>> On 10/16/2019 3:15 PM, Keith N6JPA wrote:
>> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed>
>> 
>> 
>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.
>> 
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:26:37 -0700
> From: Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
> Message-ID: <1f9d6de6-e54b-5c6a-afe2-5e4aa8a27008 at foothill.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Don't know if this info will help but ... in 2005, we booked a cruise on 
> Princess from Ft. Lauderdale thru the Canal to Los Angeles.? It was 16 
> days which was about 5 days too many, I really began to get tired of the 
> Big White Boat.? The Canal transit was fantastic though.? I wrote to 
> Princess asking to take my KX1, and included photos and specifications 
> of the radio, LiFePO4 battery [with DOT certification], and antenna as 
> any good engineer would do.? The answer was swift ... "Absolutely not, 
> you might interfere with the [-------] which included navigation, 
> communications, lifeboat radios, microwave ovens, pool pumps, and 
> blenders in the bars, and it might start a fire among other such things 
> as we may think of."
> 
> On the premise that while HQ may think they're in charge the Captain 
> actually runs the ship, I took my wireless apparatus anyway.? After 
> settling in, and noting the small size of our "balcony" which more 
> resembled a "shelf" and wondering how I was going to turn this into a 
> radio shack, I took my stuff to the purser's desk where I showed a very 
> young 8th or 9th officer my license, explained my radio, and answered 
> his questions.? He was particularly interested in the KXPD1 touch 
> paddle.? He told me I had the Captain's permission to use my radio while 
> at sea, but not in public spaces and I was not to remove any paint.? He 
> willingly wrote this into my ARRL mini-logbook into which I also logged 
> a dozen Q's while in the Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico, all SA.
> 
> Our cabin was on the port side [left as you face the pointy part of the 
> boat] which put a few thousand tons of steel between me and North 
> America for essentially the entire trip.? I did hear one NA signal, very 
> weak, W9RE working some contest.? In the end, trying to get something to 
> radiate from our "shelf" turned out to be quite a bit of trial and 
> error, and the thrill of operating afloat waned.? I have a base-loaded 
> knock-off of an M1 whip, however the resonator looks an awful lot like a 
> pipe bomb on the airport X-Ray and I chose a random wire instead since 
> I'm already toast at TSA with braces on my legs and some scrap metal in 
> my shoulder.
> 
> Our kids gave us an Alaskan cruise for our 40th anniversary.? It was 
> Holland America, I did the letter thing and they said "As long as you 
> have the proper license, you're welcome to bring your wireless device."? 
> I ultimately left it home and just enjoyed the cruise.? YMMV
> 
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
>> On 10/16/2019 7:48 AM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2.  Here is the reply:  ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.?  OK!  The line has a right to say no. But...
>> 
>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems.  I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz.  Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem.  Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology...
>> 
>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright.
>> 
>> Keeping Watch-
>> shu KE8KJZ
>> 
>> Joe Shuman
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:37:38 -0700
> From: Rick Tavan <rick at tavan.com>
> To: Joseph Shuman <oldmanshu at icloud.com>
> Cc: Elecraft Mail Server <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
> Message-ID:
>    <CANVONA+fD8DNKfMxcnx+A4keqfko0b1T83cMD=TUnrFWf0=UGQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> Yes, cruise lines and their captains are all over the map on ham radio.
> FWIW, I sailed from FO to VP6 in June/July this year with a letter of
> authorization to operate in FO. On the M.S. Paul Gaugin, I requested and
> received permission to operate on board. I first asked our cabin steward
> who sent a junior officer from Engineering to talk to me. I explained that
> I wanted to string an antenna across the pool deck, out of reach of people
> and only while in use. He understood, took the request to a higher
> authority, and relayed verbal permission back through the cabin steward. No
> idea how high up the chain it went. I only operated on board for about an
> hour while anchored off Pitcairn. It was fun but I was very weak. Did
> better on land from FO.
> 
> Ponant Cruise Line recently bought the Gaugin. Dunno what that will do.
> I've sailed with Ponant but never took radio gear.
> 
> /Rick N6XI
> 
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 7:49 AM Joseph Shuman via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about
>> operating at sea with a KX2.  Here is the reply:  ?Ham Radios, Shortwave
>> Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on
>> board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational
>> equipment.?  OK!  The line has a right to say no. But...
>> 
>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the
>> transmission RF envelope with no interference problems.  I know maritime
>> uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF
>> frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency
>> communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz.  Most
>> ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so
>> there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that
>> are no problem.  Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things
>> about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in
>> our technology...
>> 
>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a
>> OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the
>> easy answer: ban all Hams outright.
>> 
>> Keeping Watch-
>> shu KE8KJZ
>> 
>> Joe Shuman
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> 
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> 
> Rick Tavan
> Truckee and Saratoga, CA
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 19
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 23:19:10 +0000
> From: Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
> Message-ID:
>    <BYAPR16MB29683A8FC592A3777AEAD3C48C920 at BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
>    
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> "The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email"
> 
> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here.
> 
> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board.  That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way.
> 
> Andy, k3wyc
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 20
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 19:52:57 -0400
> From: W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net>
> To: Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com>
> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
> Message-ID: <C61FE46C-D250-4116-80E8-5A3ED0AB0149 at w2xj.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> gee, I can do all that on my own but then I was never on AOL and became conditioned to use the web as a crutch. Learn some computer skills!
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?"The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email"
>> 
>> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here.
>> 
>> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board.  That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way.
>> 
>> Andy, k3wyc
>> ______________________________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 21
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 20:06:34 -0400
> From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists at subich.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
> Message-ID: <ea3e9a99-ba95-5d1f-e4f9-c3bf7c28dfaf at subich.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
>> On 2019-10-16 7:19 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers 
> learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a 
> searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest 
> without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here.
> 
> Text only e-mail lists are far more secure than web based html systems
> with embedded files/graphics/trackers and forced "reply to all".  The
> web based html systems only expose all users to a tremendous variety
> of security and privacy issues that do  not exist in a well controlled
> text only e-mail system.
> 
> 73,
> 
>    ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
>> On 2019-10-16 7:19 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:
>> "The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email"
>> 
>> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here.
>> 
>> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board.  That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way.
>> 
>> Andy, k3wyc
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 22
> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 00:11:47 +0000
> From: Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com>
> To: W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net>
> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
> Message-ID:
>    <BYAPR16MB296855D8090FCEF7299EC62F8C920 at BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
>    
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> I don't understand your reply.  What exactly is it that you can do on your own that distinguishes your skill level from that of a "luddite"?
> 
> Andy, k3wyc
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 4:52 PM
> To: Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
> 
> gee, I can do all that on my own but then I was never on AOL and became conditioned to use the web as a crutch. Learn some computer skills!
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?"The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email"
>> 
>> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here.
>> 
>> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board.  That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way.
>> 
>> Andy, k3wyc
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 23
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 17:11:48 -0700
> From: Tom Redfern <thos at fonebone.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
> Message-ID: <ee8db372-6ef8-7b12-cd50-0ee0c8709b5d at fonebone.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> 
> Sorry,? I'm just dropping in on the thread.? So Yahoo isn't doing well.
> No surprise. Google started out as an improved search engine, then went
> down hill.? They too could be replaced and the world would be better off.
> 
> I note that this Elecraft list is run under mailman and at qth.net the
> way real list servers should be.? I'm guessing this Yahoo thing has
> nothing to with this list.? No need to reply unless the news is bad :-)
> 
> -- Tom W7EZT
> 
>> On 10/16/19 1:15 PM, Keith N6JPA wrote:
>> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed>
>> 
>> 
>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.
>> 
>> 
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> Message: 24
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 20:13:09 -0400
> From: Joseph Shuman <oldmanshu at icloud.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft]  Cruise Lines
> Message-ID: <13EDA1DC-DAC2-4CC7-8EAA-236C8E27FA7C at icloud.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
> 
> Lots of great info, thanks.  I looked at the boarding documents and the same language is on the ?restricted items? list in bold print.  Don?t want to mention the cruise line, but Mickey has pooped on my plans.
> 
> It?s a small world after all...  
> 
> Keeping Watch-
> shu
> 
> Joe Shuman
> 
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Wed Oct 16 20:37:59 2019
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 17:37:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
In-Reply-To: <3121d532-16c6-8ee6-b00c-a07d7462f305@cis-broadband.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29683A8FC592A3777AEAD3C48C920@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<C61FE46C-D250-4116-80E8-5A3ED0AB0149@w2xj.net>
	<BYAPR16MB296855D8090FCEF7299EC62F8C920@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<3121d532-16c6-8ee6-b00c-a07d7462f305@cis-broadband.com>
Message-ID: <A25329D1-125F-4DC7-8DF7-998E926ED743@wunderwood.org>

This is getting into negative remarks about other people. Let?s keep it positive.

I?ve managed mailing lists and different kinds of forums for about 35 years. The best system is the one that all the interested people can use to read and contribute.

This list is not on Yahoo!, so the whole discussion is pretty far off topic for this list.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)



From wb2abd at outlook.com  Wed Oct 16 20:39:16 2019
From: wb2abd at outlook.com (Paul Antos)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 00:39:16 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft]  Cruise lines
Message-ID: <DM6PR19MB370778D4D5FFC56F88BD066E9C6D0@DM6PR19MB3707.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Yes, RC prohibits amateur radio gear, but will happily sell you personal walkie talkies at the gift shop to talk to your far-flung mates on board ... perhaps the same thought as prohibiting bringing your own liquor on board.

Paul NS2N

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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Oct 16 20:42:47 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 17:42:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
In-Reply-To: <ea3e9a99-ba95-5d1f-e4f9-c3bf7c28dfaf@subich.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29683A8FC592A3777AEAD3C48C920@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<ea3e9a99-ba95-5d1f-e4f9-c3bf7c28dfaf@subich.com>
Message-ID: <da59b3e4-2ee7-2e37-b880-5a1ea6b0b3c5@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/16/2019 5:06 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> Text only e-mail lists are far more secure than web based html systems
> with embedded files/graphics/trackers and forced "reply to all".? The
> web based html systems only expose all users to a tremendous variety
> of security and privacy issues that do? not exist in a well controlled
> text only e-mail system.

YES.

I strongly prefer text-based systems for email reflectors.

73, Jim K9YC

From thos at fonebone.net  Wed Oct 16 20:52:46 2019
From: thos at fonebone.net (Tom Redfern)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 17:52:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 186, Issue 13 Cruise Lines ...
In-Reply-To: <B4AB0FC2-69C3-4E9D-9F3C-BC92467E6639@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.4665.1571271199.13236.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<B4AB0FC2-69C3-4E9D-9F3C-BC92467E6639@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4d687c20-857a-4fe9-83a9-d4a01afe90a5@fonebone.net>


I'll just throw in my 2 bits.

I'd check with the captain in writing even if the owner or booking
outfit says yes.? Just make sure it's cleared with him.? When a ship
leaves the shore, the captain is god and can shut anything down if he
thinks it matters.? Let him know what your want to do just so there are
no surprises and that he doesn't have an objection to armature radio.? I
have no suggestion on tact in such a conversation.

I'm amazed a Captain didn't know what ham radio is.? He probably just
didn't know it by the name.? They tend to he a very well rounded and
smart crowd.? I've been around a few in my life.? The captain and the
engineer are usually about the most? interesting folks on board any boat.

On 10/16/19 5:32 PM, Bob Witmer wrote:
> Avoid Royal Caribbean!!!
>
> On my last cruise I asked the Captain why Ham Radio was prohibited - he had no idea what Ham Radio was ...
>
> Bob,  W3RW
>
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>>   1. K3S WITH MICROKEYER-3 (NOEL POULIN)
>>   2. Cruise Lines (Joseph Shuman)
>>   3. Re: Cruise Lines (jeff griffin)
>>   4. Re: Cruise Lines (David Bunte)
>>   5. Re: Cruise Lines (John Oppenheimer)
>>   6. Re: Cruise Lines (Jose P Douglas)
>>   7. Re: Cruise Lines (Daniel Solano G?mez)
>>   8. Re: Cruise Lines (Kevin Cozens)
>>   9. Re: Cruise Lines (Rich)
>>  10. Re: Cruise Lines (N4ZR)
>>  11. OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Keith N6JPA)
>>  12. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Rose)
>>  13. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Ingo Meyer, DK3RED)
>>  14. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (W2xj)
>>  15. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Jim Rhodes)
>>  16. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
>>  17. Re: Cruise Lines (Fred Jensen)
>>  18. Re: Cruise Lines (Rick Tavan)
>>  19. OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Andy Durbin)
>>  20. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (W2xj)
>>  21. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Joe Subich, W4TV)
>>  22. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Andy Durbin)
>>  23. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Tom Redfern)
>>  24.  Cruise Lines (Joseph Shuman)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 08:44:03 -0400
>> From: NOEL POULIN <noelhqnsu at globetrotter.net>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S WITH MICROKEYER-3
>> Message-ID: <5bcf4ba1-92c2-4eff-3c25-0d1780035fdf at globetrotter.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I would? like to know if anybody using the K3 with the new 
>> MICROKEYER3...before buying one..
>>
>> I would appreciate comments about the microkeyer3...with the new 24 bits 
>> audio? processing chain..etc...
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Noel? ve2ryy/fww
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:48:14 -0400
>> From: Joseph Shuman <oldmanshu at icloud.com>
>> To: Elecraft Mail Server <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
>> Message-ID: <787C43AE-9E08-48A9-BFCC-AB915B8F1349 at icloud.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>>
>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2.  Here is the reply:  ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.?  OK!  The line has a right to say no. But...
>>
>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems.  I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz.  Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem.  Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology...
>>
>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright.
>>
>> Keeping Watch-
>> shu KE8KJZ
>>
>> Joe Shuman
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:03:16 -0400
>> From: "jeff griffin" <kb2m at arrl.net>
>> To: "'Joseph Shuman'" <oldmanshu at icloud.com>
>> Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
>> Message-ID: <000001d58432$d795d610$86c18230$@net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Try a different cruise line. Last year AMSAT had their annual meeting on a cruise ship. Radio operation was allowed on HF VHF and UHF without any issues from the ships officers. 
>>
>> 73 Jeff kb2m
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joseph Shuman via Elecraft
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:48 AM
>> To: Elecraft Mail Server
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
>>
>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2.  Here is the reply:  ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.?  OK!  The line has a right to say no. But...
>>
>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems.  I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz.  Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem.  Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology...
>>
>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright.
>>
>> Keeping Watch-
>> shu KE8KJZ
>>
>> Joe Shuman
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>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:06:35 -0400
>> From: David Bunte <dpbunte at gmail.com>
>> To: Joseph Shuman <oldmanshu at icloud.com>
>> Cc: Elecraft Mail Server <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
>> Message-ID:
>>    <CANCJpbRiozSUhPzucj8Q4727xMyPbO3BYFrJTyHnuE_8OVTKFA at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> Joe -
>>
>> A few years ago tethered was a QCWA group that cruised in the Caribbean on
>> a Holland America ship. They had two stations set up with permission of the
>> Cruise Line. It turns out that the fellow who played in the Piano Bar each
>> evening was also a Ham and operated as well. I worked them from home on 40
>> CW. Then another friend went on an Alaska Cruise, also with Holland America
>> and secured permission to bring his QRP rig and a whip antenna that he
>> clamped to a deck railing to get on the air.
>>
>> I realize that the most recent of these was about 7 or 8 years ago but my
>> guess is that you got the ?standard? response, and would encourage you to
>> keep trying.
>>
>> 73 de Dave  -  K9FN
>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 10:49 AM Joseph Shuman via Elecraft <
>>> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about
>>> operating at sea with a KX2.  Here is the reply:  ?Ham Radios, Shortwave
>>> Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on
>>> board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational
>>> equipment.?  OK!  The line has a right to say no. But...
>>>
>>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the
>>> transmission RF envelope with no interference problems.  I know maritime
>>> uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF
>>> frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency
>>> communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz.  Most
>>> ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so
>>> there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that
>>> are no problem.  Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things
>>> about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in
>>> our technology...
>>>
>>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a
>>> OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the
>>> easy answer: ban all Hams outright.
>>>
>>> Keeping Watch-
>>> shu KE8KJZ
>>>
>>> Joe Shuman
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:09:30 -0500
>> From: John Oppenheimer <john at kn5l.net>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
>> Message-ID: <71e157d0-c718-f3af-03f3-9a43b1e7f3ce at kn5l.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Hi Joe,
>>
>> Some cruise lines do allow ham radio. A presentation:
>> https://wparc.us/presentations/Cruise-Ham-Radio-Presentation-1.pdf
>>
>> KX3 on Carnival:  https://www.kn5l.net/hp0/
>>
>> John KN5L
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:13:06 -0400
>> From: Jose P Douglas <kb1tcd at gmail.com>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
>> Message-ID: <6385ebdf-8689-2434-b39e-4cc133f57534 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>> Seems to me you can bring your radio on board, just not operate! What if 
>> you want to operate on one of the stops???
>>
>> I personally wouldn't have contacted the cruise line, I'd? bring the 
>> radio on board and talk to the captain, explaining you are doing HF and 
>> not interfering whatsoever. You never know, maybe he's a ham.
>>
>> I'm going to Ecuador in a couple of weeks, one of my HF radios is coming 
>> with me...
>>
>> 73 de Jose Douglas KB1TCD
>>
>>
>>> On 10/16/2019 10:48 AM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
>>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2.  Here is the reply:  ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.?  OK!  The line has a right to say no. But...
>>>
>>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems.  I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz.  Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem.  Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology...
>>>
>>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright.
>>>
>>> Keeping Watch-
>>> shu KE8KJZ
>>>
>>> Joe Shuman
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:08:37 -0500
>> From: Daniel Solano G?mez <elecraft at ag5ut.radio>
>> To: Joseph Shuman via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
>> Message-ID: <20191016160837.BF9CDE131 at sarasvati.sattvik.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Hello, Joe,
>>
>> Yeah, operating on a cruise line is tricky.  I talked to someone a couple of weeks ago that organises cruises with amateur operation, and he made it clear it is not straightforward.  I think the ARRL has a decent page on operting on international waters at <http://www.arrl.org/maritime-mobile-operation-in-international-waters>.
>>
>> In particular, they talk about:
>>
>> * You need to have permission from the cruise line to bring your radio on board, regardless of whether you operate on board
>>
>> * Permission from the ship?s captain to operate on board
>>
>> * Need to have reciprocal priveleges to operate in whatever territorial waters you happen to be in
>>
>> * If the ship is in international waters, you are subject to the jurisdiction of the country to which the ship is registered.  So, if it is a U.S.-registered ship (not likely), you follow part 97 rules as usual.  Otherwise, you will need priveleges to operate in the country to which the ship is registered.
>>
>>
>> So, it?s not simple.  Say you had permission from the cruise line and captain to operate on a cruise ship registered in Panama.  While in U.S. territorial waters, U.S. rules apply.  When you enter international waters, Panama rules apply.  When you enter the territorial waters of a stop, e.g. Mexico, Jamaica, those rules apply.
>>
>> Best wishes!
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Daniel, AG5UT
>>
>>> On mi? oct 16 10:48 2019, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
>>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2.  Here is the reply:  ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.?  OK!  The line has a right to say no. But...
>>>
>>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems.  I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz.  Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem.  Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology...
>>>
>>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright.
>>>
>>> Keeping Watch-
>>> shu KE8KJZ
>>>
>>> Joe Shuman
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 12:26:14 -0400
>> From: Kevin Cozens <kevin at ve3syb.ca>
>> To: K2 <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
>> Message-ID: <752e48fc-d1bb-ffce-87bf-717d3aa15b0e at ve3syb.ca>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>>> On 2019-10-16 10:48 a.m., Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
>>> ???Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or
>>> standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of
>>> interfering with onboard navigational equipment.???
>> That sounds like they don't know much about the difference between receiving 
>> only radios and ones that can also transmit. For a shortwave radio to cause 
>> a problem for the onboard nav equipment there would have to be something 
>> very wrong with either the shortwave radio or the navigation equipment.
>>
>> Perhaps it is partly post-911 paranoia. The first time I went on a cruise 
>> (several decades ago now), I took my Sony ICF 2010 shortwave radio on its 
>> first vacation. In fact, I bought the radio not long before I was to go on 
>> the cruise for that very purpose. It never occurred to me to ask if it was 
>> ok to use onboard. I used it out in the open with the whip extended and no 
>> one ever said anything about it.
>>
>> -- 
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Kevin.
>>
>> http://www.ve3syb.ca/               | "Nerds make the shiny things that
>> https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and
>>                                     | that's why we're powerful"
>> Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172          |
>> #include <disclaimer/favourite>     |             --Chris Hardwick
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:32:52 -0400
>> From: Rich <rwnewbould at comcast.net>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
>> Message-ID: <647031b9-ce80-45de-85cc-a7c4a78a6e61 at comcast.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>> I just went on Royal Caribbean and right in the list of prohibited 
>> articles such as guns, knives, explosives etc.?? They list Ham Radio 
>> equipment as prohibited.
>>
>> Rich
>>
>> K3RWN
>>
>>> On 10/16/2019 10:48 AM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
>>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2.  Here is the reply:  ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.?  OK!  The line has a right to say no. But...
>>>
>>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems.  I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz.  Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem.  Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology...
>>>
>>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright.
>>>
>>> Keeping Watch-
>>> shu KE8KJZ
>>>
>>> Joe Shuman
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:08:39 -0400
>> From: N4ZR <n4zr at comcast.net>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
>> Message-ID: <0ca39661-997c-1a24-2178-7b1134d47e8c at comcast.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>> Good thing you didn't pick it up and talk into it? ;^)
>>
>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
>> at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
>> spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
>> For spots, please use your favorite
>> "retail" DX cluster.
>>
>>> On 10/16/2019 12:26 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote:
>>>> On 2019-10-16 10:48 a.m., Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
>>>> ???Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or
>>>> standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of
>>>> interfering with onboard navigational equipment.???
>>> That sounds like they don't know much about the difference between 
>>> receiving only radios and ones that can also transmit. For a shortwave 
>>> radio to cause a problem for the onboard nav equipment there would 
>>> have to be something very wrong with either the shortwave radio or the 
>>> navigation equipment.
>>>
>>> Perhaps it is partly post-911 paranoia. The first time I went on a 
>>> cruise (several decades ago now), I took my Sony ICF 2010 shortwave 
>>> radio on its first vacation. In fact, I bought the radio not long 
>>> before I was to go on the cruise for that very purpose. It never 
>>> occurred to me to ask if it was ok to use onboard. I used it out in 
>>> the open with the whip extended and no one ever said anything about it.
>>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 13:15:28 -0700
>> From: Keith N6JPA <n6jpa.1 at gmail.com>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
>> Message-ID: <cb3a03d1-a309-673d-3e52-483f3f711760 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed>
>>
>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:21:43 -0600
>> From: Rose <elecraftcovers at gmail.com>
>> To: Keith N6JPA <n6jpa.1 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
>> Message-ID:
>>    <CAK+fsRXwPrqLcnmHTcSyt-fu2VAhdMu9MfEWcGfoptJm-=-MmQ at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> Good news!  Yahoo Groups is awful!
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Ken - K0PP
>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019, 14:16 Keith N6JPA <n6jpa.1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <
>>> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed
>>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.
>>>
>>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 22:49:22 +0200
>> From: "Ingo Meyer, DK3RED" <mails at qrp4fun.de>
>> To: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
>> Message-ID: <2ad5a3ea-4e50-c2b0-ef24-b2cd299b1407 at qrp4fun.de>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>> Hello Keith,
>>
>>
>>> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed>
>>>
>>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.
>> Stay calm! The site says also: "Yahoo's announcement says that the site will continue to 
>> exist, but all public groups will be made private and require administrator approval to join."
>>
>>
>> 73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
>> www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 14
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:51:46 -0400
>> From: W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net>
>> To: Keith N6JPA <n6jpa.1 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
>> Message-ID: <EE058B21-7E30-4A21-815E-9D40B94910E5 at w2xj.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> not really. The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 4:16 PM, Keith N6JPA <n6jpa.1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?<https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed>
>>>
>>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.
>>>
>>>
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>> Message: 15
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:04:57 -0500
>> From: Jim Rhodes <jim at rhodesend.net>
>> To: W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net>
>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
>> Message-ID:
>>    <CALhxr4a9-hjbWzxJSCEeH4sVnsFpERgtXTkQ02retEcxDzPgKg at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> I joined a yahoo group once a long time ago and my spam count went up by a
>> factor of at least 10. I guess you were expected to go through and check
>> boxes on everything you did not want to get spam from. So I changed my ISP
>> and never went back to Yahoo. For anything.
>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 3:52 PM W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> not really. The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have
>>> to learn how to use real email.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 4:16 PM, Keith N6JPA <n6jpa.1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> ?<
>>> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed
>>>>
>>>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.
>>>>
>>>>
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>> Message: 16
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:17:14 -0500
>> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
>> Message-ID: <b547231f-5534-9bcc-0dbb-48b02500886f at blomand.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
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>> There is a very nice Elecraft group at the following link:
>>
>> https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-K3
>>
>>
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>>
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>> information and learn about these awesome radios from the people that 
>> operate them.
>>
>> When joining the group, put something intelligent in the comment box so 
>> that I know that you are actually interested in the K3/K3S and are not a 
>> spammer. HINT- A callsign as your user name and/or in the comment box 
>> will do fine.
>>
>>
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>> 73
>>
>> Bob, K4TAX
>>
>>
>>> On 10/16/2019 3:15 PM, Keith N6JPA wrote:
>>> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed>
>>>
>>>
>>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.
>>>
>>>
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>> Message: 17
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:26:37 -0700
>> From: Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
>> Message-ID: <1f9d6de6-e54b-5c6a-afe2-5e4aa8a27008 at foothill.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>> Don't know if this info will help but ... in 2005, we booked a cruise on 
>> Princess from Ft. Lauderdale thru the Canal to Los Angeles.? It was 16 
>> days which was about 5 days too many, I really began to get tired of the 
>> Big White Boat.? The Canal transit was fantastic though.? I wrote to 
>> Princess asking to take my KX1, and included photos and specifications 
>> of the radio, LiFePO4 battery [with DOT certification], and antenna as 
>> any good engineer would do.? The answer was swift ... "Absolutely not, 
>> you might interfere with the [-------] which included navigation, 
>> communications, lifeboat radios, microwave ovens, pool pumps, and 
>> blenders in the bars, and it might start a fire among other such things 
>> as we may think of."
>>
>> On the premise that while HQ may think they're in charge the Captain 
>> actually runs the ship, I took my wireless apparatus anyway.? After 
>> settling in, and noting the small size of our "balcony" which more 
>> resembled a "shelf" and wondering how I was going to turn this into a 
>> radio shack, I took my stuff to the purser's desk where I showed a very 
>> young 8th or 9th officer my license, explained my radio, and answered 
>> his questions.? He was particularly interested in the KXPD1 touch 
>> paddle.? He told me I had the Captain's permission to use my radio while 
>> at sea, but not in public spaces and I was not to remove any paint.? He 
>> willingly wrote this into my ARRL mini-logbook into which I also logged 
>> a dozen Q's while in the Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico, all SA.
>>
>> Our cabin was on the port side [left as you face the pointy part of the 
>> boat] which put a few thousand tons of steel between me and North 
>> America for essentially the entire trip.? I did hear one NA signal, very 
>> weak, W9RE working some contest.? In the end, trying to get something to 
>> radiate from our "shelf" turned out to be quite a bit of trial and 
>> error, and the thrill of operating afloat waned.? I have a base-loaded 
>> knock-off of an M1 whip, however the resonator looks an awful lot like a 
>> pipe bomb on the airport X-Ray and I chose a random wire instead since 
>> I'm already toast at TSA with braces on my legs and some scrap metal in 
>> my shoulder.
>>
>> Our kids gave us an Alaskan cruise for our 40th anniversary.? It was 
>> Holland America, I did the letter thing and they said "As long as you 
>> have the proper license, you're welcome to bring your wireless device."? 
>> I ultimately left it home and just enjoyed the cruise.? YMMV
>>
>> 73,
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>>
>>> On 10/16/2019 7:48 AM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
>>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2.  Here is the reply:  ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.?  OK!  The line has a right to say no. But...
>>>
>>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems.  I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz.  Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem.  Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology...
>>>
>>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright.
>>>
>>> Keeping Watch-
>>> shu KE8KJZ
>>>
>>> Joe Shuman
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 18
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:37:38 -0700
>> From: Rick Tavan <rick at tavan.com>
>> To: Joseph Shuman <oldmanshu at icloud.com>
>> Cc: Elecraft Mail Server <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
>> Message-ID:
>>    <CANVONA+fD8DNKfMxcnx+A4keqfko0b1T83cMD=TUnrFWf0=UGQ at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> Yes, cruise lines and their captains are all over the map on ham radio.
>> FWIW, I sailed from FO to VP6 in June/July this year with a letter of
>> authorization to operate in FO. On the M.S. Paul Gaugin, I requested and
>> received permission to operate on board. I first asked our cabin steward
>> who sent a junior officer from Engineering to talk to me. I explained that
>> I wanted to string an antenna across the pool deck, out of reach of people
>> and only while in use. He understood, took the request to a higher
>> authority, and relayed verbal permission back through the cabin steward. No
>> idea how high up the chain it went. I only operated on board for about an
>> hour while anchored off Pitcairn. It was fun but I was very weak. Did
>> better on land from FO.
>>
>> Ponant Cruise Line recently bought the Gaugin. Dunno what that will do.
>> I've sailed with Ponant but never took radio gear.
>>
>> /Rick N6XI
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 7:49 AM Joseph Shuman via Elecraft <
>> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about
>>> operating at sea with a KX2.  Here is the reply:  ?Ham Radios, Shortwave
>>> Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on
>>> board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational
>>> equipment.?  OK!  The line has a right to say no. But...
>>>
>>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the
>>> transmission RF envelope with no interference problems.  I know maritime
>>> uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF
>>> frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency
>>> communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz.  Most
>>> ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so
>>> there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that
>>> are no problem.  Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things
>>> about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in
>>> our technology...
>>>
>>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a
>>> OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the
>>> easy answer: ban all Hams outright.
>>>
>>> Keeping Watch-
>>> shu KE8KJZ
>>>
>>> Joe Shuman
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>> Rick Tavan
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 19
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 23:19:10 +0000
>> From: Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com>
>> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
>> Message-ID:
>>    <BYAPR16MB29683A8FC592A3777AEAD3C48C920 at BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
>>    
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> "The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email"
>>
>> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here.
>>
>> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board.  That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way.
>>
>> Andy, k3wyc
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 20
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 19:52:57 -0400
>> From: W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net>
>> To: Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com>
>> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
>> Message-ID: <C61FE46C-D250-4116-80E8-5A3ED0AB0149 at w2xj.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> gee, I can do all that on my own but then I was never on AOL and became conditioned to use the web as a crutch. Learn some computer skills!
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?"The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email"
>>>
>>> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here.
>>>
>>> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board.  That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way.
>>>
>>> Andy, k3wyc
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 21
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 20:06:34 -0400
>> From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists at subich.com>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
>> Message-ID: <ea3e9a99-ba95-5d1f-e4f9-c3bf7c28dfaf at subich.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>>> On 2019-10-16 7:19 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers 
>> learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a 
>> searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest 
>> without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here.
>>
>> Text only e-mail lists are far more secure than web based html systems
>> with embedded files/graphics/trackers and forced "reply to all".  The
>> web based html systems only expose all users to a tremendous variety
>> of security and privacy issues that do  not exist in a well controlled
>> text only e-mail system.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>    ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>>> On 2019-10-16 7:19 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:
>>> "The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email"
>>>
>>> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here.
>>>
>>> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board.  That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way.
>>>
>>> Andy, k3wyc
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 22
>> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 00:11:47 +0000
>> From: Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com>
>> To: W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net>
>> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
>> Message-ID:
>>    <BYAPR16MB296855D8090FCEF7299EC62F8C920 at BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
>>    
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> I don't understand your reply.  What exactly is it that you can do on your own that distinguishes your skill level from that of a "luddite"?
>>
>> Andy, k3wyc
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 4:52 PM
>> To: Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com>
>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
>>
>> gee, I can do all that on my own but then I was never on AOL and became conditioned to use the web as a crutch. Learn some computer skills!
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?"The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email"
>>>
>>> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here.
>>>
>>> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board.  That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way.
>>>
>>> Andy, k3wyc
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 23
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 17:11:48 -0700
>> From: Tom Redfern <thos at fonebone.net>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
>> Message-ID: <ee8db372-6ef8-7b12-cd50-0ee0c8709b5d at fonebone.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>>
>> Sorry,? I'm just dropping in on the thread.? So Yahoo isn't doing well.
>> No surprise. Google started out as an improved search engine, then went
>> down hill.? They too could be replaced and the world would be better off.
>>
>> I note that this Elecraft list is run under mailman and at qth.net the
>> way real list servers should be.? I'm guessing this Yahoo thing has
>> nothing to with this list.? No need to reply unless the news is bad :-)
>>
>> -- Tom W7EZT
>>
>>> On 10/16/19 1:15 PM, Keith N6JPA wrote:
>>> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed>
>>>
>>>
>>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.
>>>
>>>
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>> Message: 24
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 20:13:09 -0400
>> From: Joseph Shuman <oldmanshu at icloud.com>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft]  Cruise Lines
>> Message-ID: <13EDA1DC-DAC2-4CC7-8EAA-236C8E27FA7C at icloud.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>>
>> Lots of great info, thanks.  I looked at the boarding documents and the same language is on the ?restricted items? list in bold print.  Don?t want to mention the cruise line, but Mickey has pooped on my plans.
>>
>> It?s a small world after all...  
>>
>> Keeping Watch-
>> shu
>>
>> Joe Shuman
>>
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From n0nb at n0nb.us  Wed Oct 16 21:03:29 2019
From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 20:03:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
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* On 2019 16 Oct 18:20 -0500, Andy Durbin wrote:
> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin
> board.  That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the
> only way.

This list is not hosted via Yahoo!

This block that is appended to every message clearly shows it is hosted
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No need to panic here.  Nothing going on with Yahoo! will affect this
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From a.durbin at msn.com  Wed Oct 16 21:26:36 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 01:26:36 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB29682381D29702E9219DD0988C6D0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"K3WYC,

What makes you think your snide and disparaging generalizations toward 
other users here ... on a topic that was already terminated by Elecraft 
... is going to sway anything in your favor???

Dave?? AB7E



On 10/16/2019 5:11 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:
> I don't understand your reply.  What exactly is it that you can do on your own that distinguishes your skill level from that of a "luddite"?
>
> Andy, k3wyc
>
"


What did you find snide or disparaging in the message that you have quoted?  I did not suggest a need to enhance computer skills nor did I suggest any user here, or any user of Yahoo groups, was a Luddite.   

Could it be that you are replying to the wrong message?

Andy, k3wyc

From thos at fonebone.net  Wed Oct 16 21:51:19 2019
From: thos at fonebone.net (Tom Redfern)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 18:51:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 186, Issue 13 Cruise Lines ...
In-Reply-To: <B4AB0FC2-69C3-4E9D-9F3C-BC92467E6639@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.4665.1571271199.13236.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<B4AB0FC2-69C3-4E9D-9F3C-BC92467E6639@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b1ae4e70-201a-11c9-c348-0ecfa89ff1b6@fonebone.net>


I should mention too that the problems probably stem from concerns,
justified or not, for all the navigation, control, and communication
system on and off board.? Like I said, if you find anyone who allows it,
just make sure you check with the Captain so he knows.? IF there is an
issue, he'd be a likely to work with you and that won't create a problem
for any future hams.

On 10/16/19 5:32 PM, Bob Witmer wrote:
> Avoid Royal Caribbean!!!
>
> On my last cruise I asked the Captain why Ham Radio was prohibited - he had no idea what Ham Radio was ...
>
> Bob,  W3RW
>
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>>   1. K3S WITH MICROKEYER-3 (NOEL POULIN)
>>   2. Cruise Lines (Joseph Shuman)
>>   3. Re: Cruise Lines (jeff griffin)
>>   4. Re: Cruise Lines (David Bunte)
>>   5. Re: Cruise Lines (John Oppenheimer)
>>   6. Re: Cruise Lines (Jose P Douglas)
>>   7. Re: Cruise Lines (Daniel Solano G?mez)
>>   8. Re: Cruise Lines (Kevin Cozens)
>>   9. Re: Cruise Lines (Rich)
>>  10. Re: Cruise Lines (N4ZR)
>>  11. OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Keith N6JPA)
>>  12. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Rose)
>>  13. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Ingo Meyer, DK3RED)
>>  14. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (W2xj)
>>  15. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Jim Rhodes)
>>  16. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
>>  17. Re: Cruise Lines (Fred Jensen)
>>  18. Re: Cruise Lines (Rick Tavan)
>>  19. OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Andy Durbin)
>>  20. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (W2xj)
>>  21. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Joe Subich, W4TV)
>>  22. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Andy Durbin)
>>  23. Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline (Tom Redfern)
>>  24.  Cruise Lines (Joseph Shuman)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 08:44:03 -0400
>> From: NOEL POULIN <noelhqnsu at globetrotter.net>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S WITH MICROKEYER-3
>> Message-ID: <5bcf4ba1-92c2-4eff-3c25-0d1780035fdf at globetrotter.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I would? like to know if anybody using the K3 with the new 
>> MICROKEYER3...before buying one..
>>
>> I would appreciate comments about the microkeyer3...with the new 24 bits 
>> audio? processing chain..etc...
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Noel? ve2ryy/fww
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:48:14 -0400
>> From: Joseph Shuman <oldmanshu at icloud.com>
>> To: Elecraft Mail Server <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
>> Message-ID: <787C43AE-9E08-48A9-BFCC-AB915B8F1349 at icloud.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>>
>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2.  Here is the reply:  ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.?  OK!  The line has a right to say no. But...
>>
>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems.  I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz.  Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem.  Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology...
>>
>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright.
>>
>> Keeping Watch-
>> shu KE8KJZ
>>
>> Joe Shuman
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:03:16 -0400
>> From: "jeff griffin" <kb2m at arrl.net>
>> To: "'Joseph Shuman'" <oldmanshu at icloud.com>
>> Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
>> Message-ID: <000001d58432$d795d610$86c18230$@net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Try a different cruise line. Last year AMSAT had their annual meeting on a cruise ship. Radio operation was allowed on HF VHF and UHF without any issues from the ships officers. 
>>
>> 73 Jeff kb2m
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joseph Shuman via Elecraft
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:48 AM
>> To: Elecraft Mail Server
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
>>
>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2.  Here is the reply:  ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.?  OK!  The line has a right to say no. But...
>>
>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems.  I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz.  Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem.  Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology...
>>
>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright.
>>
>> Keeping Watch-
>> shu KE8KJZ
>>
>> Joe Shuman
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:06:35 -0400
>> From: David Bunte <dpbunte at gmail.com>
>> To: Joseph Shuman <oldmanshu at icloud.com>
>> Cc: Elecraft Mail Server <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
>> Message-ID:
>>    <CANCJpbRiozSUhPzucj8Q4727xMyPbO3BYFrJTyHnuE_8OVTKFA at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> Joe -
>>
>> A few years ago tethered was a QCWA group that cruised in the Caribbean on
>> a Holland America ship. They had two stations set up with permission of the
>> Cruise Line. It turns out that the fellow who played in the Piano Bar each
>> evening was also a Ham and operated as well. I worked them from home on 40
>> CW. Then another friend went on an Alaska Cruise, also with Holland America
>> and secured permission to bring his QRP rig and a whip antenna that he
>> clamped to a deck railing to get on the air.
>>
>> I realize that the most recent of these was about 7 or 8 years ago but my
>> guess is that you got the ?standard? response, and would encourage you to
>> keep trying.
>>
>> 73 de Dave  -  K9FN
>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 10:49 AM Joseph Shuman via Elecraft <
>>> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about
>>> operating at sea with a KX2.  Here is the reply:  ?Ham Radios, Shortwave
>>> Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on
>>> board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational
>>> equipment.?  OK!  The line has a right to say no. But...
>>>
>>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the
>>> transmission RF envelope with no interference problems.  I know maritime
>>> uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF
>>> frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency
>>> communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz.  Most
>>> ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so
>>> there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that
>>> are no problem.  Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things
>>> about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in
>>> our technology...
>>>
>>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a
>>> OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the
>>> easy answer: ban all Hams outright.
>>>
>>> Keeping Watch-
>>> shu KE8KJZ
>>>
>>> Joe Shuman
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:09:30 -0500
>> From: John Oppenheimer <john at kn5l.net>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
>> Message-ID: <71e157d0-c718-f3af-03f3-9a43b1e7f3ce at kn5l.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Hi Joe,
>>
>> Some cruise lines do allow ham radio. A presentation:
>> https://wparc.us/presentations/Cruise-Ham-Radio-Presentation-1.pdf
>>
>> KX3 on Carnival:  https://www.kn5l.net/hp0/
>>
>> John KN5L
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:13:06 -0400
>> From: Jose P Douglas <kb1tcd at gmail.com>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
>> Message-ID: <6385ebdf-8689-2434-b39e-4cc133f57534 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>> Seems to me you can bring your radio on board, just not operate! What if 
>> you want to operate on one of the stops???
>>
>> I personally wouldn't have contacted the cruise line, I'd? bring the 
>> radio on board and talk to the captain, explaining you are doing HF and 
>> not interfering whatsoever. You never know, maybe he's a ham.
>>
>> I'm going to Ecuador in a couple of weeks, one of my HF radios is coming 
>> with me...
>>
>> 73 de Jose Douglas KB1TCD
>>
>>
>>> On 10/16/2019 10:48 AM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
>>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2.  Here is the reply:  ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.?  OK!  The line has a right to say no. But...
>>>
>>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems.  I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz.  Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem.  Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology...
>>>
>>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright.
>>>
>>> Keeping Watch-
>>> shu KE8KJZ
>>>
>>> Joe Shuman
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:08:37 -0500
>> From: Daniel Solano G?mez <elecraft at ag5ut.radio>
>> To: Joseph Shuman via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
>> Message-ID: <20191016160837.BF9CDE131 at sarasvati.sattvik.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Hello, Joe,
>>
>> Yeah, operating on a cruise line is tricky.  I talked to someone a couple of weeks ago that organises cruises with amateur operation, and he made it clear it is not straightforward.  I think the ARRL has a decent page on operting on international waters at <http://www.arrl.org/maritime-mobile-operation-in-international-waters>.
>>
>> In particular, they talk about:
>>
>> * You need to have permission from the cruise line to bring your radio on board, regardless of whether you operate on board
>>
>> * Permission from the ship?s captain to operate on board
>>
>> * Need to have reciprocal priveleges to operate in whatever territorial waters you happen to be in
>>
>> * If the ship is in international waters, you are subject to the jurisdiction of the country to which the ship is registered.  So, if it is a U.S.-registered ship (not likely), you follow part 97 rules as usual.  Otherwise, you will need priveleges to operate in the country to which the ship is registered.
>>
>>
>> So, it?s not simple.  Say you had permission from the cruise line and captain to operate on a cruise ship registered in Panama.  While in U.S. territorial waters, U.S. rules apply.  When you enter international waters, Panama rules apply.  When you enter the territorial waters of a stop, e.g. Mexico, Jamaica, those rules apply.
>>
>> Best wishes!
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Daniel, AG5UT
>>
>>> On mi? oct 16 10:48 2019, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
>>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2.  Here is the reply:  ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.?  OK!  The line has a right to say no. But...
>>>
>>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems.  I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz.  Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem.  Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology...
>>>
>>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright.
>>>
>>> Keeping Watch-
>>> shu KE8KJZ
>>>
>>> Joe Shuman
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 12:26:14 -0400
>> From: Kevin Cozens <kevin at ve3syb.ca>
>> To: K2 <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
>> Message-ID: <752e48fc-d1bb-ffce-87bf-717d3aa15b0e at ve3syb.ca>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>>> On 2019-10-16 10:48 a.m., Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
>>> ???Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or
>>> standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of
>>> interfering with onboard navigational equipment.???
>> That sounds like they don't know much about the difference between receiving 
>> only radios and ones that can also transmit. For a shortwave radio to cause 
>> a problem for the onboard nav equipment there would have to be something 
>> very wrong with either the shortwave radio or the navigation equipment.
>>
>> Perhaps it is partly post-911 paranoia. The first time I went on a cruise 
>> (several decades ago now), I took my Sony ICF 2010 shortwave radio on its 
>> first vacation. In fact, I bought the radio not long before I was to go on 
>> the cruise for that very purpose. It never occurred to me to ask if it was 
>> ok to use onboard. I used it out in the open with the whip extended and no 
>> one ever said anything about it.
>>
>> -- 
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Kevin.
>>
>> http://www.ve3syb.ca/               | "Nerds make the shiny things that
>> https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and
>>                                     | that's why we're powerful"
>> Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172          |
>> #include <disclaimer/favourite>     |             --Chris Hardwick
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:32:52 -0400
>> From: Rich <rwnewbould at comcast.net>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
>> Message-ID: <647031b9-ce80-45de-85cc-a7c4a78a6e61 at comcast.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>> I just went on Royal Caribbean and right in the list of prohibited 
>> articles such as guns, knives, explosives etc.?? They list Ham Radio 
>> equipment as prohibited.
>>
>> Rich
>>
>> K3RWN
>>
>>> On 10/16/2019 10:48 AM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
>>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2.  Here is the reply:  ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.?  OK!  The line has a right to say no. But...
>>>
>>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems.  I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz.  Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem.  Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology...
>>>
>>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright.
>>>
>>> Keeping Watch-
>>> shu KE8KJZ
>>>
>>> Joe Shuman
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:08:39 -0400
>> From: N4ZR <n4zr at comcast.net>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
>> Message-ID: <0ca39661-997c-1a24-2178-7b1134d47e8c at comcast.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>> Good thing you didn't pick it up and talk into it? ;^)
>>
>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
>> at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
>> spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
>> For spots, please use your favorite
>> "retail" DX cluster.
>>
>>> On 10/16/2019 12:26 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote:
>>>> On 2019-10-16 10:48 a.m., Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
>>>> ???Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or
>>>> standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of
>>>> interfering with onboard navigational equipment.???
>>> That sounds like they don't know much about the difference between 
>>> receiving only radios and ones that can also transmit. For a shortwave 
>>> radio to cause a problem for the onboard nav equipment there would 
>>> have to be something very wrong with either the shortwave radio or the 
>>> navigation equipment.
>>>
>>> Perhaps it is partly post-911 paranoia. The first time I went on a 
>>> cruise (several decades ago now), I took my Sony ICF 2010 shortwave 
>>> radio on its first vacation. In fact, I bought the radio not long 
>>> before I was to go on the cruise for that very purpose. It never 
>>> occurred to me to ask if it was ok to use onboard. I used it out in 
>>> the open with the whip extended and no one ever said anything about it.
>>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 13:15:28 -0700
>> From: Keith N6JPA <n6jpa.1 at gmail.com>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
>> Message-ID: <cb3a03d1-a309-673d-3e52-483f3f711760 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed>
>>
>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:21:43 -0600
>> From: Rose <elecraftcovers at gmail.com>
>> To: Keith N6JPA <n6jpa.1 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
>> Message-ID:
>>    <CAK+fsRXwPrqLcnmHTcSyt-fu2VAhdMu9MfEWcGfoptJm-=-MmQ at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> Good news!  Yahoo Groups is awful!
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Ken - K0PP
>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019, 14:16 Keith N6JPA <n6jpa.1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <
>>> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed
>>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.
>>>
>>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 22:49:22 +0200
>> From: "Ingo Meyer, DK3RED" <mails at qrp4fun.de>
>> To: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
>> Message-ID: <2ad5a3ea-4e50-c2b0-ef24-b2cd299b1407 at qrp4fun.de>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>> Hello Keith,
>>
>>
>>> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed>
>>>
>>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.
>> Stay calm! The site says also: "Yahoo's announcement says that the site will continue to 
>> exist, but all public groups will be made private and require administrator approval to join."
>>
>>
>> 73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
>> www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 14
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:51:46 -0400
>> From: W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net>
>> To: Keith N6JPA <n6jpa.1 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
>> Message-ID: <EE058B21-7E30-4A21-815E-9D40B94910E5 at w2xj.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> not really. The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 4:16 PM, Keith N6JPA <n6jpa.1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?<https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed>
>>>
>>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.
>>>
>>>
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>> Message: 15
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:04:57 -0500
>> From: Jim Rhodes <jim at rhodesend.net>
>> To: W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net>
>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
>> Message-ID:
>>    <CALhxr4a9-hjbWzxJSCEeH4sVnsFpERgtXTkQ02retEcxDzPgKg at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> I joined a yahoo group once a long time ago and my spam count went up by a
>> factor of at least 10. I guess you were expected to go through and check
>> boxes on everything you did not want to get spam from. So I changed my ISP
>> and never went back to Yahoo. For anything.
>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 3:52 PM W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> not really. The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have
>>> to learn how to use real email.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 4:16 PM, Keith N6JPA <n6jpa.1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> ?<
>>> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed
>>>>
>>>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.
>>>>
>>>>
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>> Message: 16
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:17:14 -0500
>> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
>> Message-ID: <b547231f-5534-9bcc-0dbb-48b02500886f at blomand.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
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>> There is a very nice Elecraft group at the following link:
>>
>> https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-K3
>>
>>
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>>
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>> information and learn about these awesome radios from the people that 
>> operate them.
>>
>> When joining the group, put something intelligent in the comment box so 
>> that I know that you are actually interested in the K3/K3S and are not a 
>> spammer. HINT- A callsign as your user name and/or in the comment box 
>> will do fine.
>>
>>
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>> 73
>>
>> Bob, K4TAX
>>
>>
>>> On 10/16/2019 3:15 PM, Keith N6JPA wrote:
>>> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed>
>>>
>>>
>>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.
>>>
>>>
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>> Message: 17
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:26:37 -0700
>> From: Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
>> Message-ID: <1f9d6de6-e54b-5c6a-afe2-5e4aa8a27008 at foothill.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>> Don't know if this info will help but ... in 2005, we booked a cruise on 
>> Princess from Ft. Lauderdale thru the Canal to Los Angeles.? It was 16 
>> days which was about 5 days too many, I really began to get tired of the 
>> Big White Boat.? The Canal transit was fantastic though.? I wrote to 
>> Princess asking to take my KX1, and included photos and specifications 
>> of the radio, LiFePO4 battery [with DOT certification], and antenna as 
>> any good engineer would do.? The answer was swift ... "Absolutely not, 
>> you might interfere with the [-------] which included navigation, 
>> communications, lifeboat radios, microwave ovens, pool pumps, and 
>> blenders in the bars, and it might start a fire among other such things 
>> as we may think of."
>>
>> On the premise that while HQ may think they're in charge the Captain 
>> actually runs the ship, I took my wireless apparatus anyway.? After 
>> settling in, and noting the small size of our "balcony" which more 
>> resembled a "shelf" and wondering how I was going to turn this into a 
>> radio shack, I took my stuff to the purser's desk where I showed a very 
>> young 8th or 9th officer my license, explained my radio, and answered 
>> his questions.? He was particularly interested in the KXPD1 touch 
>> paddle.? He told me I had the Captain's permission to use my radio while 
>> at sea, but not in public spaces and I was not to remove any paint.? He 
>> willingly wrote this into my ARRL mini-logbook into which I also logged 
>> a dozen Q's while in the Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico, all SA.
>>
>> Our cabin was on the port side [left as you face the pointy part of the 
>> boat] which put a few thousand tons of steel between me and North 
>> America for essentially the entire trip.? I did hear one NA signal, very 
>> weak, W9RE working some contest.? In the end, trying to get something to 
>> radiate from our "shelf" turned out to be quite a bit of trial and 
>> error, and the thrill of operating afloat waned.? I have a base-loaded 
>> knock-off of an M1 whip, however the resonator looks an awful lot like a 
>> pipe bomb on the airport X-Ray and I chose a random wire instead since 
>> I'm already toast at TSA with braces on my legs and some scrap metal in 
>> my shoulder.
>>
>> Our kids gave us an Alaskan cruise for our 40th anniversary.? It was 
>> Holland America, I did the letter thing and they said "As long as you 
>> have the proper license, you're welcome to bring your wireless device."? 
>> I ultimately left it home and just enjoyed the cruise.? YMMV
>>
>> 73,
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>>
>>> On 10/16/2019 7:48 AM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
>>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about operating at sea with a KX2.  Here is the reply:  ?Ham Radios, Shortwave Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational equipment.?  OK!  The line has a right to say no. But...
>>>
>>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the transmission RF envelope with no interference problems.  I know maritime uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz.  Most ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that are no problem.  Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in our technology...
>>>
>>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the easy answer: ban all Hams outright.
>>>
>>> Keeping Watch-
>>> shu KE8KJZ
>>>
>>> Joe Shuman
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 18
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:37:38 -0700
>> From: Rick Tavan <rick at tavan.com>
>> To: Joseph Shuman <oldmanshu at icloud.com>
>> Cc: Elecraft Mail Server <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
>> Message-ID:
>>    <CANVONA+fD8DNKfMxcnx+A4keqfko0b1T83cMD=TUnrFWf0=UGQ at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> Yes, cruise lines and their captains are all over the map on ham radio.
>> FWIW, I sailed from FO to VP6 in June/July this year with a letter of
>> authorization to operate in FO. On the M.S. Paul Gaugin, I requested and
>> received permission to operate on board. I first asked our cabin steward
>> who sent a junior officer from Engineering to talk to me. I explained that
>> I wanted to string an antenna across the pool deck, out of reach of people
>> and only while in use. He understood, took the request to a higher
>> authority, and relayed verbal permission back through the cabin steward. No
>> idea how high up the chain it went. I only operated on board for about an
>> hour while anchored off Pitcairn. It was fun but I was very weak. Did
>> better on land from FO.
>>
>> Ponant Cruise Line recently bought the Gaugin. Dunno what that will do.
>> I've sailed with Ponant but never took radio gear.
>>
>> /Rick N6XI
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 7:49 AM Joseph Shuman via Elecraft <
>> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Going on a cruise in a few months, so I emailed the cruise line about
>>> operating at sea with a KX2.  Here is the reply:  ?Ham Radios, Shortwave
>>> Radios or Satellite Radios (portable or standalone) may not be brought on
>>> board as they pose a risk of interfering with onboard navigational
>>> equipment.?  OK!  The line has a right to say no. But...
>>>
>>> I have operated my KX2 QRP 40m portable with a GPS and Laptop in the
>>> transmission RF envelope with no interference problems.  I know maritime
>>> uses mostly 156-162 MHz for ship to ship or ship to shore, some specific HF
>>> frequencies (outside of our bands) are allocated for emergency
>>> communications and satellite navigation is typically 1150-1610 MHz.  Most
>>> ships now have WiFi and rely on phone apps for on-board communication, so
>>> there are a few thousand phones on board operating in the GHz range that
>>> are no problem.  Also, as a USN Sub Service vet I learned a few things
>>> about at-sea comms 40-some years ago, and considering the improvements in
>>> our technology...
>>>
>>> Sorry if I seem to be ranting, but opportunities to operate at sea (for a
>>> OM in Ohio) are rare and this cruise line?s position seems to me to be the
>>> easy answer: ban all Hams outright.
>>>
>>> Keeping Watch-
>>> shu KE8KJZ
>>>
>>> Joe Shuman
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 19
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 23:19:10 +0000
>> From: Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com>
>> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
>> Message-ID:
>>    <BYAPR16MB29683A8FC592A3777AEAD3C48C920 at BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
>>    
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> "The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email"
>>
>> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here.
>>
>> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board.  That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way.
>>
>> Andy, k3wyc
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 20
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 19:52:57 -0400
>> From: W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net>
>> To: Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com>
>> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
>> Message-ID: <C61FE46C-D250-4116-80E8-5A3ED0AB0149 at w2xj.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> gee, I can do all that on my own but then I was never on AOL and became conditioned to use the web as a crutch. Learn some computer skills!
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?"The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email"
>>>
>>> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here.
>>>
>>> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board.  That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way.
>>>
>>> Andy, k3wyc
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>> Message: 21
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 20:06:34 -0400
>> From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists at subich.com>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
>> Message-ID: <ea3e9a99-ba95-5d1f-e4f9-c3bf7c28dfaf at subich.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>>> On 2019-10-16 7:19 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers 
>> learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a 
>> searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest 
>> without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here.
>>
>> Text only e-mail lists are far more secure than web based html systems
>> with embedded files/graphics/trackers and forced "reply to all".  The
>> web based html systems only expose all users to a tremendous variety
>> of security and privacy issues that do  not exist in a well controlled
>> text only e-mail system.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>    ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>>> On 2019-10-16 7:19 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:
>>> "The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email"
>>>
>>> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here.
>>>
>>> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board.  That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way.
>>>
>>> Andy, k3wyc
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 22
>> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 00:11:47 +0000
>> From: Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com>
>> To: W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net>
>> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
>> Message-ID:
>>    <BYAPR16MB296855D8090FCEF7299EC62F8C920 at BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
>>    
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> I don't understand your reply.  What exactly is it that you can do on your own that distinguishes your skill level from that of a "luddite"?
>>
>> Andy, k3wyc
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 4:52 PM
>> To: Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com>
>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
>>
>> gee, I can do all that on my own but then I was never on AOL and became conditioned to use the web as a crutch. Learn some computer skills!
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?"The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email"
>>>
>>> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here.
>>>
>>> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board.  That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way.
>>>
>>> Andy, k3wyc
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 23
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 17:11:48 -0700
>> From: Tom Redfern <thos at fonebone.net>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
>> Message-ID: <ee8db372-6ef8-7b12-cd50-0ee0c8709b5d at fonebone.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>>
>> Sorry,? I'm just dropping in on the thread.? So Yahoo isn't doing well.
>> No surprise. Google started out as an improved search engine, then went
>> down hill.? They too could be replaced and the world would be better off.
>>
>> I note that this Elecraft list is run under mailman and at qth.net the
>> way real list servers should be.? I'm guessing this Yahoo thing has
>> nothing to with this list.? No need to reply unless the news is bad :-)
>>
>> -- Tom W7EZT
>>
>>> On 10/16/19 1:15 PM, Keith N6JPA wrote:
>>> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed>
>>>
>>>
>>> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.
>>>
>>>
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>> Message: 24
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 20:13:09 -0400
>> From: Joseph Shuman <oldmanshu at icloud.com>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft]  Cruise Lines
>> Message-ID: <13EDA1DC-DAC2-4CC7-8EAA-236C8E27FA7C at icloud.com>
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>>
>> Lots of great info, thanks.  I looked at the boarding documents and the same language is on the ?restricted items? list in bold print.  Don?t want to mention the cruise line, but Mickey has pooped on my plans.
>>
>> It?s a small world after all...  
>>
>> Keeping Watch-
>> shu
>>
>> Joe Shuman
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Wed Oct 16 22:30:22 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 19:30:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
In-Reply-To: <13EDA1DC-DAC2-4CC7-8EAA-236C8E27FA7C@icloud.com>
References: <13EDA1DC-DAC2-4CC7-8EAA-236C8E27FA7C@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <965241d6-332b-5a44-f90a-973d4a6a4460@triconet.org>

I no longer remember his call but I worked an XE who was an officer on Harmony 
of the Seas.? He had a shack on board.? That thing is about the size of Rhode 
Island.

Wes? N7WS

On 10/16/2019 5:13 PM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
> Lots of great info, thanks.  I looked at the boarding documents and the same language is on the ?restricted items? list in bold print.  Don?t want to mention the cruise line, but Mickey has pooped on my plans.
>
> It?s a small world after all...
>
> Keeping Watch-
> shu
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From jsdanehy at gmail.com  Wed Oct 16 22:50:55 2019
From: jsdanehy at gmail.com (Jim Danehy)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 22:50:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise ships
Message-ID: <7BE35A99-E4F6-4B23-893E-6A10478FCEE6@gmail.com>

My sister and brother in law sailed from Europe on a Crystal Cruise ship. I met them in Halifax NS and had lunch on board the ship. After lunch we went to see their cabin. On a lark I picked up the telephone and asked for the Radio Room. After being connected I asked if there was a Ham Radio operator on board. ?Just a minute?.

The next voice said : ?hello this is Per, LA3FL?. I introduced myself. We had QSOed often. A few minutes later there was a steward at the door of the cabin. I was escorted to where all of the action was. A great and accidental meeting of two Hams. Some good photos too. I still QSO, Per LA3FL now that he is retired from sailing.

That meeting was indeed fantastic. 

Ham Radio what a great hobby

73
Jim
W9VNE/VA3VNE 

Sent from my iPhone

From W2xj at w2xj.net  Wed Oct 16 22:54:40 2019
From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 22:54:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
In-Reply-To: <20191017010328.calttkr343zu3v2w@n0nb.us>
References: <20191017010328.calttkr343zu3v2w@n0nb.us>
Message-ID: <6AA5AAFC-3266-4382-8DCA-5C82E1F05A4B@w2xj.net>

this is very true but those who lack basic computer skills were wanting to move this group from a very adequate mailman server to some crippled web based group. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 9:04 PM, Nate Bargmann <n0nb at n0nb.us> wrote:
> 
> ?* On 2019 16 Oct 18:20 -0500, Andy Durbin wrote:
>> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin
>> board.  That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the
>> only way.
> 
> This list is not hosted via Yahoo!
> 
> This block that is appended to every message clearly shows it is hosted
> by QTH.net/QSL.net:
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> No need to panic here.  Nothing going on with Yahoo! will affect this
> list as near as I can tell.
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From jrichards at k8jhr.com  Thu Oct 17 01:01:00 2019
From: jrichards at k8jhr.com (JR)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 01:01:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Operating on a cruise ship ...
Message-ID: <76307b09-53b8-3142-3bee-2b17641062ae@k8jhr.com>

Interesting thread - although I would NEVER take a ham radio on an 
expensive, romantic, cruise ship and I can only imagine what my young 
bride would think and do as she strolled about the ship, alone, whilst I 
remained in our stateroom trying to drop an wire out the porthole so I 
could call the guys back home on my radio!

My advice is to relax and enjoy the cruise, leave the rig at home and 
commune (nicate) with YOUR lovely bride, instead!  I predict you will 
love longer, and be much happier that way!

Um ... ahem ... that is just MY take, anyway.     ;-)

K8JHR
___________________________


From eric at elecraft.com  Thu Oct 17 01:09:29 2019
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 22:09:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
In-Reply-To: <A25329D1-125F-4DC7-8DF7-998E926ED743@wunderwood.org>
References: <A25329D1-125F-4DC7-8DF7-998E926ED743@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <5396B551-CBF9-4746-8D0C-A1EE02C4271C@elecraft.com>

Agreed.

Yes, the official Elecraft list that we are talking on now is not hosted on Yahoo, it is hosted for us by QTH.net.  

Lets close this OT thread at this time in the interest of keeping discussion civil and reducing OT overload for our readers.

73,
Eric
Moderator, COO, etc..
elecraft.com
_..._

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 5:38 PM, Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org> wrote:
> 
> ?This is getting into negative remarks about other people. Let?s keep it positive.
> 
> I?ve managed mailing lists and different kinds of forums for about 35 years. The best system is the one that all the interested people can use to read and contribute.
> 
> This list is not on Yahoo!, so the whole discussion is pretty far off topic for this list.

From djwilcox01 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 17 05:48:04 2019
From: djwilcox01 at yahoo.com (David Wilcox)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 05:48:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Operating on a cruise ship ...
In-Reply-To: <76307b09-53b8-3142-3bee-2b17641062ae@k8jhr.com>
References: <76307b09-53b8-3142-3bee-2b17641062ae@k8jhr.com>
Message-ID: <40E36E2F-E31E-40AB-B800-958D3B78657B@yahoo.com>

Interesting response.  I do agree (same XYL for the last 46 years).  When I got back in to ham radio I also took on a wife at the same time. I built an HW 7 ?to have by the bed side to listen to code and get my speed up?.  My fellow club members had a riot with that comment..... so the HW 7 stayed in the extra bed room in our mobile home..... I still get the eye roll from her when I have a new victory in my radio room but we?re still together and this old NERD still can fix anything that breaks and also debug her iPad and iPhone.  So she does see some benefit to my hobby...... she even bought me a KX 3 when they first came out. 

FWIW

Dave K8WPE

David J. Wilcox K8WPE?s iPad

> On Oct 17, 2019, at 1:03 AM, JR <jrichards at k8jhr.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Interesting thread - although I would NEVER take a ham radio on an expensive, romantic, cruise ship and I can only imagine what my young bride would think and do as she strolled about the ship, alone, whilst I remained in our stateroom trying to drop an wire out the porthole so I could call the guys back home on my radio!
> 
> My advice is to relax and enjoy the cruise, leave the rig at home and commune (nicate) with YOUR lovely bride, instead!  I predict you will love longer, and be much happier that way!
> 
> Um ... ahem ... that is just MY take, anyway.     ;-)
> 
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From djwilcox01 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 17 05:55:41 2019
From: djwilcox01 at yahoo.com (David Wilcox)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 05:55:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise Lines
In-Reply-To: <965241d6-332b-5a44-f90a-973d4a6a4460@triconet.org>
References: <965241d6-332b-5a44-f90a-973d4a6a4460@triconet.org>
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You might want to consider this when you plan your next cruise.  There are some cruise lines that permit ham radio when approved ahead of time.  I have read many blog posts about the fun that can be had.

Each cruise line has their own private island and a few years ago while lying in a hammock on one of them I had a Sony radio and was listening around the ham bands.  I was so surprised with the activity on most of the ham bands and so wished I had a xmtr with me.  I would say a KX 2 and the new Elecraft AX 1 antenna might be a blast even now and I doubt there would be any problem from anyone.  They are all having fun or watching their kids on the beach.

David J. Wilcox K8WPE?s iPad

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 10:33 PM, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
> 
> ?I no longer remember his call but I worked an XE who was an officer on Harmony of the Seas.  He had a shack on board.  That thing is about the size of Rhode Island.
> 
> Wes  N7WS
> 
>> On 10/16/2019 5:13 PM, Joseph Shuman via Elecraft wrote:
>> Lots of great info, thanks.  I looked at the boarding documents and the same language is on the ?restricted items? list in bold print.  Don?t want to mention the cruise line, but Mickey has pooped on my plans.
>> 
>> It?s a small world after all...
>> 
>> Keeping Watch-
>> shu
>> 
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From kb2m at arrl.net  Thu Oct 17 07:34:47 2019
From: kb2m at arrl.net (jeff griffin)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 07:34:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise lines
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR19MB370778D4D5FFC56F88BD066E9C6D0@DM6PR19MB3707.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR19MB370778D4D5FFC56F88BD066E9C6D0@DM6PR19MB3707.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <00c201d584de$e18b5a30$a4a20e90$@net>

What I find interesting is their using the government supplied scanning
equipment for free to remove any personnel alcohol, and increase their
profit margin.75$ for a 7$ bottle of wine?! Along with the sub standard
entertainment on board, bad food, etc. I avoid cruises like the plague.

73 Jeff kb2m  

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Paul Antos
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 8:39 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise lines

Yes, RC prohibits amateur radio gear, but will happily sell you personal
walkie talkies at the gift shop to talk to your far-flung mates on board ...
perhaps the same thought as prohibiting bringing your own liquor on board.

Paul NS2N

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From bob.novas at verizon.net  Thu Oct 17 08:23:29 2019
From: bob.novas at verizon.net (Bob Novas)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 08:23:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Question on frequency when in fine/medium/coarse
Message-ID: <0b2101d584e5$af05fc80$0d11f580$@verizon.net>

When the K3s is in Coarse tuning mode, showing 100 Hz steps, are the 10 Hz
and 1 Hz settings retained from wherever they were, or are they jammed to
0's?  In other words, if the dial reads 7010.1, is the K3s running on the
frequency 7010.100 or possibly 7010.1?? where the ?? are whatever happened
to be dialed in before going to Coarse tuning?



Thanks,

Bob Novas - W3DK


From weaverwf at usermail.com  Thu Oct 17 08:31:50 2019
From: weaverwf at usermail.com (Bill Weaver)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 08:31:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Question on frequency when in fine/medium/coarse
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Bob,
 

 
I just tested it. It looks like the undisplayed digits are retained. My example 7.02647. Select coarse 7.02644 tune around and return to 7.0264 and select medium returns to 7.02647.
 

 
73,
 

 
Bill WE5P
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
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> On Oct 17, 2019 at 08:23, Bob Novas via Elecraft  <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>  wrote:
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>  When the K3s is in Coarse tuning mode, showing 100 Hz steps, are the 10 Hz and 1 Hz settings retained from wherever they were, or are they jammed to 0's? In other words, if the dial reads 7010.1, is the K3s running on the frequency 7010.100 or possibly 7010.1?? where the ?? are whatever happened to be dialed in before going to Coarse tuning? Thanks, Bob Novas - W3DK ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to weaverwf at usermail.com 
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From weaverwf at usermail.com  Thu Oct 17 08:33:52 2019
From: weaverwf at usermail.com (Bill Weaver)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 08:33:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Question on frequency when in fine/medium/coarse
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Sri, when selecting coarse to 7.0264 not 7.02644. Fat fingers
 
73,
 
Bill WE5P
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
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> On Oct 17, 2019 at 08:31, Bill Weaver  <weaverwf at usermail.com>  wrote:
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>  Bob, I just tested it. It looks like the undisplayed digits are retained. My example 7.02647. Select coarse 7.02644 tune around and return to 7.0264 and select medium returns to 7.02647. 73, Bill WE5P  >   >  On Oct 17, 2019 at 08:23, Bob Novas via Elecraft wrote:  >   >   >  When the K3s is in Coarse tuning mode, showing 100 Hz steps, are the 10 Hz and 1 Hz settings retained from wherever they were, or are they jammed to 0's? In other words, if the dial reads 7010.1, is the K3s running on the frequency 7010.100 or possibly 7010.1?? where the ?? are whatever happened to be dialed in before going to Coarse tuning? Thanks, Bob Novas - W3DK ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message deliver!
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From bob.novas at verizon.net  Thu Oct 17 08:59:32 2019
From: bob.novas at verizon.net (Bob Novas)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 08:59:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Question on frequency when in fine/medium/coarse
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But, the question is - are the undisplayed digits retained but not used, or are they actually utilized in determining the frequency?  I?ve been setting my readout to xxxx.x00 before switching to Coarse, on the fea that the undisplayed digits actually are used in determining the Rx/Tx frequency, but there?s nowhere that says one way or the other that I can find.  Bob - W3DK

 

From: Bill Weaver [mailto:weaverwf at usermail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 8:34 AM
To: Bill Weaver; Bob Novas; Bob Novas via Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Question on frequency when in fine/medium/coarse

 

Sri, when selecting coarse to 7.0264 not 7.02644. Fat fingers

73,

Bill WE5P



On Oct 17, 2019 at 08:31, Bill Weaver <weaverwf at usermail.com> wrote: 

  
  
Bob,
  
 
  
I just tested it. It looks like the undisplayed digits are retained. My example 7.02647. Select coarse 7.02644 tune around and return to 7.0264 and select medium returns to 7.02647.
  
 
  
73,
  
 
  
Bill WE5P
  
  
  
 
  
  
  
  
  
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> On Oct 17, 2019 at 08:23, Bob Novas via Elecraft    wrote:
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>  When the K3s is in Coarse tuning mode, showing 100 Hz steps, are the 10 Hz and 1 Hz settings retained from wherever they were, or are they jammed to 0's? In other words, if the dial reads 7010.1, is the K3s running on the frequency 7010.100 or possibly 7010.1?? where the ?? are whatever happened to be dialed in before going to Coarse tuning? Thanks, Bob Novas - W3DK ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to weaverwf at usermailcom  
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From weaverwf at usermail.com  Thu Oct 17 09:30:38 2019
From: weaverwf at usermail.com (Bill Weaver)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 09:30:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Question on frequency when in fine/medium/coarse
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The undisplayed digits are used, i.e. the freq does not shift to the displayed 100Hz. In my example the freq (while listening to a CW QSO) did not shift but stayed at 7.02647 Khz.   
  

  
73,
  
Bill WE5P
  
  
  

  
  
  
  
  
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> On Oct 17, 2019 at 08:59, Bob Novas  <bob.novas at verizon.net>  wrote:
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>  But, the question is - are the undisplayed digits retained but not used, or are they actually utilized in determining the frequency?    I?ve been setting my readout to xxxx.x00 before switching to Coarse, on the fea that the undisplayed digits actually are used in determining the Rx/Tx frequency, but there?s nowhere that says one way or the other that I can find.    Bob - W3DK
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>  From:    Bill Weaver [mailto:weaverwf at usermail.com]
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>   To:  Bill Weaver; Bob Novas; Bob Novas via Elecraft
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> >   >  When the K3s is in Coarse tuning mode, showing 100 Hz steps, are the 10 Hz and 1 Hz settings retained from wherever they were, or are they jammed to 0's? In other words, if the dial reads 7010.1, is the K3s running on the frequency 7010.100 or possibly 7010.1?? where the ?? are whatever happened to be dialed in before going to Coarse tuning? Thanks, Bob Novas - W3DK ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to weaverwf at usermailcom  
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From bob.novas at verizon.net  Thu Oct 17 09:48:23 2019
From: bob.novas at verizon.net (Bob Novas)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 09:48:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Question on frequency when in fine/medium/coarse
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Bill - hunh.  I didn?t think of testing it that way, but clearly that works and tells the tale.  Kind of off-putting, knowing that you?re really up to 99 Hz away from where you think you are when you select Coarse.  Maybe a good use for a macro.

 

73,

Bob W3Dk

 

From: Bill Weaver [mailto:weaverwf at usermail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 9:31 AM
To: Bob Novas; Bob Novas via Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Question on frequency when in fine/medium/coarse

 

The undisplayed digits are used, i.e. the freq does not shift to the displayed 100Hz. In my example the freq (while listening to a CW QSO) did not shift but stayed at 7.02647 Khz. 

 

73,

Bill WE5P



On Oct 17, 2019 at 08:59, Bob Novas <bob.novas at verizon.net> wrote: 

But, the question is - are the undisplayed digits retained but not used, or are they actually utilized in determining the frequency?  I?ve been setting my readout to xxxx.x00 before switching to Coarse, on the fea that the undisplayed digits actually are used in determining the Rx/Tx frequency, but there?s nowhere that says one way or the other that I can find.  Bob - W3DK

 

From: Bill Weaver [mailto:weaverwf at usermail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 8:34 AM
To: Bill Weaver; Bob Novas; Bob Novas via Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Question on frequency when in fine/medium/coarse

 

Sri, when selecting coarse to 7.0264 not 7.02644. Fat fingers

73,

Bill WE5P

On Oct 17, 2019 at 08:31, Bill Weaver <weaverwf at usermail.com> wrote: 

  
  
Bob,
  
 
  
I just tested it It looks like the undisplayed digits are retained. My example 7.02647. Select coarse 7.02644 tune around and return to 7.0264 and select medium returns to 7.02647.
  
 
  
73,
  
 
  
Bill WE5P
  
  
  
 
  
  
  
  
  
>   
> On Oct 17, 2019 at 08:23, Bob Novas via Elecraft    wrote:
>   
>   
>  When the K3s is in Coarse tuning mode, showing 100 Hz steps, are the 10 Hz and 1 Hz settings retained from wherever they were, or are they jammed to 0's? In other words, if the dial reads 7010.1, is the K3s running on the frequency 7010.100 or possibly 7010.1?? where the ?? are whatever happened to be dialed in before going to Coarse tuning? Thanks, Bob Novas - W3DK ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to weaverwf at usermailcom  
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From eric at elecraft.com  Thu Oct 17 09:54:17 2019
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 06:54:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise lines
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Folks, this thread was closed yesterday and is drifting further OT. Please end discussion or take it off list ifn the interest of improving list SNR.

73,

Eric
Moderator, COO etc.
elecraft.com
_..._

> On Oct 17, 2019, at 4:35 AM, jeff griffin <kb2m at arrl.net> wrote:
> 
> ?What I find interesting is their using the government supplied scanning
> equipment for free to remove any personnel alcohol, and increase their
> profit margin.75$ for a 7$ bottle of wine?! Along with the sub standard
> entertainment on board, bad food, etc. I avoid cruises like the plague.

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Oct 17 10:03:23 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 10:03:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Question on frequency when in fine/medium/coarse
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Bob,

An alternative solution is to set VFO CRS to what you want (it is per 
mode).  Also set VFO OFS to ON.

Now you can use the RIT/XIT knob for coarse excursions across the band 
while leaving VFO A set to FINE.  Of course, if you turn RIT/XIT on, you 
will lose that capability until you turn it off.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/17/2019 9:48 AM, Bob Novas via Elecraft wrote:
> Bill - hunh.  I didn?t think of testing it that way, but clearly that works and tells the tale.  Kind of off-putting, knowing that you?re really up to 99 Hz away from where you think you are when you select Coarse.  Maybe a good use for a macro.
> 

From ve3iql at gmail.com  Thu Oct 17 11:12:38 2019
From: ve3iql at gmail.com (Terry Basom)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 11:12:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 fuses
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Thanks for all the comments?  Really great information. I always wondered
why Elecraft didn't include a fused power lead with their radios.. I have
the KX3... Maybe their desktop radios do come with a fused power lead...

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 5:54 PM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> An additional point in mobile installations - do NOT connect the
> negative directly to the battery.  Follow the negative battery lead to
> the point where that lead connects to the frame.
>
> Many modern vehicles have sensing devices in that path from the battery
> negative and the point where it connects to the frame.  Connecting
> directly to the battery bypasses those important sensors.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 10/15/2019 5:37 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>
> >
> > In the case of a mobile installation, you should fuse BOTH conductors.
> > Should the connection from the battery to vehicle frame become
> > disconnected or high resistance, starting current return will be through
> > your radio equipment's chassis and return conductor.  I've never heard
> > of this actually happening but then there's a reason aircraft connectors
> > are made so things can't be cross connected.
> >
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From reillyjf at gmail.com  Thu Oct 17 11:31:31 2019
From: reillyjf at gmail.com (John Reilly)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 09:31:31 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3} FS: Elecraft K3/K3s Second Receiver
Message-ID: <470f12ab-f4a6-6e45-5f22-0d54b97a2b89@gmail.com>

Elecraft KRX3A second receiver for sale. It was factory installed in my 
K3s in Jul 2019, so is relatively new. Three roofing filters: 13k, 
2.8k(!), and 400 Hz. I will remove any filters you don't want and adjust 
the price accordingly. Includes newer KSYB3A Synthesizer. $850, 
including USPS shipping. US only.

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Thu Oct 17 13:32:02 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 13:32:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Delivery
Message-ID: <5C5D48DE-25CD-4ABA-BF57-BA7678D16B7A@gmail.com>

In case you haven?t dropped by the K4 part of the Elecraft website recently, it appears first deliveries are now officially scheduled for Jan 2020.  There was a hint of this during the recent UK hamfest.

Grant NQ5T

From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk  Thu Oct 17 13:46:28 2019
From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 14:46:28 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Question on frequency when in fine/medium/coarse
In-Reply-To: <ed1f2412-fad1-4891-b255-3a2981414013@localhost>
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I checked this another way by using the radio debug window in Logger32. 
It polls the radio and displays the set frequency. This can also be 
checked using the K3 Utility by entering FA; into the command test window.

Changing the resolution of the K3 step size only changed the reported 
frequency by the step size. The finer resolution, lease significant, 
digits remained intact. This negates to a degree the utility of the EXT 
REF functionality option set for the base K3 and 2m transverter lock.

There would perhaps be some advantage in resetting the discarded display 
digits in the synth frequency setting word to zero to match.

An interesting potential gotcha for folks checking into nets using a 
coarse step size or transverting to VHF/UHF channelised modes e.g. FM 
repeaters without realising there could be unseen and potentially large 
residual offsets. Is this another possible cause of the the occasional 
reported frequency errors, usually attributed to REF CAL errors?

It all really comes down to cockpit drill once the situation is known. I 
usually run the display at 10Hz resolution, the last digit in fine 1Hz 
resolution set to 0 e.g. 21019.46(0) however, this will be messed up the 
first time I use auto SPOT with CWT.

I wouldn't bet the farm on a modification to the K3 firmware, even if 
desirable, at this stage of its life cycle.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO

On 17/10/2019 10:30, Bill Weaver wrote:
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> The undisplayed digits are used, i.e. the freq does not shift to the displayed 100Hz. In my example the freq (while listening to a CW QSO) did not shift but stayed at 7.02647 Khz.
>    
> 
>    
> 73,
>    
> Bill WE5P

From scott.small at gmail.com  Thu Oct 17 13:47:29 2019
From: scott.small at gmail.com (Tox)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 10:47:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Delivery
In-Reply-To: <5C5D48DE-25CD-4ABA-BF57-BA7678D16B7A@gmail.com>
References: <5C5D48DE-25CD-4ABA-BF57-BA7678D16B7A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADkB6UqVXto_z4ppYpgYa1tggk0As-7gzUs1zcrB5sEuzB07Qg@mail.gmail.com>

That's new, was still showing Nov/Dec earlier this week :(

So much for plans to play with it on annual vacation. :(

Scott
AD6YT

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 10:32 AM Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> In case you haven?t dropped by the K4 part of the Elecraft website recently, it appears first deliveries are now officially scheduled for Jan 2020.  There was a hint of this during the recent UK hamfest.
>
> Grant NQ5T
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Oct 17 14:05:02 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 11:05:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for volunteer to design a tiny CW transceiver
 for socially isolated kids/teens
Message-ID: <1F9054D9-39AC-429B-9970-E66872BFF044@elecraft.com>

Hi all,

Someone recently told me that he'd benefitted throughout his life from learning Morse code as a teen. Ham radio helped him cope. He's gone on to promote Morse because it can help kids with certain cognitive or social issues. Such problems are exacerbated by social media, these days. We all know of teens who've ended up ostracized or worse.

He was wondering what the ham community may be able to do for them. 

I proposed a simple ($5-$10), unlicensed CW transceiver (kit or assembled or both) that would put out maybe 1 milliwatt. It would serve as a code-practice oscillator for solo use. But with a short wire hanging from the PCB, kids could work "DX" -- like across a room, or better yet, outdoors. 

This got his attention. I went on to describe a scenario that he found very plausible, based on his experience with Morse advocacy: You hand kids the little modules (just a PCB with a built-in 4x AAA battery pack, code key, antenna wire, and cheap earbuds), and ask them to try sending/receiving a few letters. The complete code would be silkscreened onto the PCB. After they try this, you say, "Now see how far apart you can get and still copy you friend's signal." This is where the magic happens, at least for those of us who have been leveraging action-at-a-distance ourselves for many years :)  It takes things a step beyond ordinary code practice. Connects kids to other kids. At best it could serve as a bridge to a world outside themselves. 

I'm picturing the little rig as SA602 based, with one crystal for TX and one for RX, running so little power than licensing is a non-issue. Frequency? TBD. Something available in cheap fundamental crystals from Digikey. Each one would have its crystals offset slightly from the others, so the effect of having a number of them in one room might be a bit like being on a crowded CW band. Picking out the pitch of a signal of interest and copying it is a skill many of us have learned. I'm sure kids who are motivated would be able to do it as well.

It should not have debilitating clicks or thumps when keyed. The only control should be for volume. It should be full break-in, which at this power level is easily obtained.

This is a project I would gladly take on myself if not for my greater-than-full-time commitments to Elecraft products. I'm hoping there's a tinkerer out there with more free time who could start from a minimal description and design the little rig.  The gentleman I spoke to has been frustrated over the years in trying to get his message out, and in trying to find ways to take Morse code to a wider range of kids. He felt that this idea had a lot of merit.

If you're interested in this project, or know of something that matches this description that's already available, please contact me directly.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


From Gary at ka1j.com  Thu Oct 17 14:10:07 2019
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 14:10:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Delivery
In-Reply-To: <CADkB6UqVXto_z4ppYpgYa1tggk0As-7gzUs1zcrB5sEuzB07Qg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5C5D48DE-25CD-4ABA-BF57-BA7678D16B7A@gmail.com>,
	<CADkB6UqVXto_z4ppYpgYa1tggk0As-7gzUs1zcrB5sEuzB07Qg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5DA8AE7F.30398.9EF3094@Gary.ka1j.com>

To me, a longer wait means closer to 
perfection.

;)

73,

Gary
KA1J

> That's new, was still showing Nov/Dec earlier this week :(
> 
> So much for plans to play with it on annual vacation. :(
> 
> Scott
> AD6YT
> 
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 10:32 AM Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com>
> wrote: > > In case you haven?t dropped by the K4 part of the
> Elecraft website recently, it appears first deliveries are now
> officially scheduled for Jan 2020.  There was a hint of this during
> the recent UK hamfest. > > Grant NQ5T >
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Oct 17 15:29:28 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 12:29:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Operating on a cruise ship ...
In-Reply-To: <40E36E2F-E31E-40AB-B800-958D3B78657B@yahoo.com>
References: <76307b09-53b8-3142-3bee-2b17641062ae@k8jhr.com>
	<40E36E2F-E31E-40AB-B800-958D3B78657B@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4a748c9e-cd6d-1fda-b887-fdc0d62809ea@audiosystemsgroup.com>


> I would NEVER take a ham radio on an expensive, romantic, cruise ship

Likewise, I don't operate my mobile rigs when my XYL is in the car. 28 
happy years.

73, Jim K9YC




From huntinhmb at coastside.net  Thu Oct 17 16:32:09 2019
From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 13:32:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for volunteer to design a tiny CW
 transceiver for socially isolated kids/teens
In-Reply-To: <1F9054D9-39AC-429B-9970-E66872BFF044@elecraft.com>
References: <1F9054D9-39AC-429B-9970-E66872BFF044@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <075f5506-6867-4127-6afa-5f69eb886257@coastside.net>

Back when Halted Specialties Company (HSC) was in business in the SF Bay 
Area I bought a PIXIE2e kit from them for $14.95.? It is a crystal 
controlled direct conversion transceiver using only a 2N2222 oscillator 
and LM386 audio amp on a 1" x 2" PCB.? It came with crystals for 80m and 
40m.? RF output 200-300 mW with a 9v battery. I never built it and dug 
the kit out of my "archives."? I'd be glad to offer it up as a design or 
evaluation candidate.

73,
Brian, K0DTJ

On 10/17/2019 11:05, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Someone recently told me that he'd benefitted throughout his life from learning Morse code as a teen. Ham radio helped him cope. He's gone on to promote Morse because it can help kids with certain cognitive or social issues. Such problems are exacerbated by social media, these days. We all know of teens who've ended up ostracized or worse.
>
> He was wondering what the ham community may be able to do for them.
>
> I proposed a simple ($5-$10), unlicensed CW transceiver (kit or assembled or both) that would put out maybe 1 milliwatt. It would serve as a code-practice oscillator for solo use. But with a short wire hanging from the PCB, kids could work "DX" -- like across a room, or better yet, outdoors.
>
> This got his attention. I went on to describe a scenario that he found very plausible, based on his experience with Morse advocacy: You hand kids the little modules (just a PCB with a built-in 4x AAA battery pack, code key, antenna wire, and cheap earbuds), and ask them to try sending/receiving a few letters. The complete code would be silkscreened onto the PCB. After they try this, you say, "Now see how far apart you can get and still copy you friend's signal." This is where the magic happens, at least for those of us who have been leveraging action-at-a-distance ourselves for many years :)  It takes things a step beyond ordinary code practice. Connects kids to other kids. At best it could serve as a bridge to a world outside themselves.
>
> I'm picturing the little rig as SA602 based, with one crystal for TX and one for RX, running so little power than licensing is a non-issue. Frequency? TBD. Something available in cheap fundamental crystals from Digikey. Each one would have its crystals offset slightly from the others, so the effect of having a number of them in one room might be a bit like being on a crowded CW band. Picking out the pitch of a signal of interest and copying it is a skill many of us have learned. I'm sure kids who are motivated would be able to do it as well.
>
> It should not have debilitating clicks or thumps when keyed. The only control should be for volume. It should be full break-in, which at this power level is easily obtained.
>
> This is a project I would gladly take on myself if not for my greater-than-full-time commitments to Elecraft products. I'm hoping there's a tinkerer out there with more free time who could start from a minimal description and design the little rig.  The gentleman I spoke to has been frustrated over the years in trying to get his message out, and in trying to find ways to take Morse code to a wider range of kids. He felt that this idea had a lot of merit.
>
> If you're interested in this project, or know of something that matches this description that's already available, please contact me directly.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
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From w4kx at mac.com  Thu Oct 17 16:35:49 2019
From: w4kx at mac.com (Tom Doligalski)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 16:35:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Delivery
In-Reply-To: <5C5D48DE-25CD-4ABA-BF57-BA7678D16B7A@gmail.com>
References: <5C5D48DE-25CD-4ABA-BF57-BA7678D16B7A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AB990CB9-8E02-450F-B618-7E5D37E9D6F3@mac.com>

Kinda sad that Elecraft has failed to let those of us who plunked down $4K back in May know anything about K4 status. 

Tom W4KX

Sent from my iPad 

> On Oct 17, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?In case you haven?t dropped by the K4 part of the Elecraft website recently, it appears first deliveries are now officially scheduled for Jan 2020.  There was a hint of this during the recent UK hamfest.
> 
> Grant NQ5T
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From n1ix at n1ix.com  Thu Oct 17 17:08:08 2019
From: n1ix at n1ix.com (n1ix at n1ix.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 17:08:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Question
Message-ID: <004801d5852e$fa554620$eeffd260$@n1ix.com>

I have a P3 with the SVGA option installed.

Is it possible to display the frequency spectrum in a window rather than
using the entire monitor?

 

73

Dave N1IX


From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Oct 17 17:13:42 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 17:13:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Question
In-Reply-To: <004801d5852e$fa554620$eeffd260$@n1ix.com>
References: <004801d5852e$fa554620$eeffd260$@n1ix.com>
Message-ID: <7FF32E8E-800C-40EC-ACEE-91B928E8A76F@widomaker.com>

I suspect that might be a function of the monitor. 

Why put a small image of the P3 on a big monitor. Just look at the small P3 image itself. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Oct 17, 2019, at 5:10 PM, n1ix at n1ix.com wrote:
> 
> ?I have a P3 with the SVGA option installed.
> 
> Is it possible to display the frequency spectrum in a window rather than
> using the entire monitor?
> 
> 
> 
> 73
> 
> Dave N1IX
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From tbry441 at myfairpoint.net  Thu Oct 17 17:14:09 2019
From: tbry441 at myfairpoint.net (Thaire Bryant)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 17:14:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Operating on a cruise ship
Message-ID: <6E463B73-A0CA-446C-AB47-D08612B4581F@myfairpoint.net>

My XYL and I are going from Amsterdam to Hungary on a Viking River cruise.  When I first asked for permission I was told: no because Hungary doesn?t allow it!  After a few emails with the Hungarian ?Media and Communication Authority? where I gently explained that their country was a signatory to the CEPT Treaty, I got an email from them stating that they had been in error and that I could indeed operate in their territory.  I sent that email plus a copy of my license and a copy of the CEPT agreement to the Ship?s Captain and got permission to operate onboard.  My rig: KX2 with AX-1 and extender!
Listen for me 10/29-11/12!

73,
Thaire. W2APF

From donovanf at starpower.net  Thu Oct 17 17:44:24 2019
From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 17:44:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Question
In-Reply-To: <7FF32E8E-800C-40EC-ACEE-91B928E8A76F@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <929937137.7211902.1571348664013.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>

Hi Bill, 


Elecraft's web site does a remarkably poor job marketing the 
significantly improved performance of the P3SVGA compared 
to the basic P3. 


The P3SVGA is NOT simply an SVGA monitor adapter, its a 
much higher performance FFT processor and SVGA adapter. 

A picture is worth a thousand words. Compare pages 11 and 12 in 
N6TV's presentation: 


www.contestuniversity.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/12-N6TV_Dayton_2019_Using_Waterfall_Displays.pdf 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 



----- Original Message -----

From: "Nr4c" <nr4c at widomaker.com> 
To: n1ix at n1ix.com 
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 9:13:42 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Question 

I suspect that might be a function of the monitor. 

Why put a small image of the P3 on a big monitor. Just look at the small P3 image itself. 

Sent from my iPhone 
...nr4c. bill 


> On Oct 17, 2019, at 5:10 PM, n1ix at n1ix.com wrote: 
> 
> I have a P3 with the SVGA option installed. 
> 
> Is it possible to display the frequency spectrum in a window rather than 
> using the entire monitor? 
> 
> 
> 
> 73 
> 
> Dave N1IX 
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Oct 17 18:19:20 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 15:19:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon
Message-ID: <62E45500-A988-4FFA-9310-A5F7F97D584A@elecraft.com>

One of many K4 features we're putting the finishing touches on is the dual panadapter display, which will make its debut at Pacificon. Please stop by our booth this weekend if you get a chance.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


From kabelj at gmail.com  Thu Oct 17 19:07:34 2019
From: kabelj at gmail.com (Jeff Kabel)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 16:07:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for volunteer to design a tiny CW transceiver
 for socially isolated kids/teens
Message-ID: <CAGzEeC__Cq4cq9ECh3fn+t5vp9=e=+iLk077B_waVGMzaju=jA@mail.gmail.com>

1) Wouldn't it be better to use one of the ISM bands? Then licensing is not
a problem. I'd feel uncomfortable giving radios that operate in the ham
bands to people without a license. There are bands 6.765-6.795MHz,
13.553-13.567MHz, and 26.957-27.283 close to our 40, 20, and 12/10 meter
bands, and a number of bands in the VHF+ range. The 13MHz one is used by
the HiFER <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LowFER> experimenters already.
There are also the LowFER and MedFER bands.

2) Does the pixie not meet the requirements? They're cheap ($3-5 on eBay),
low power (~150mW), and have QSK. The kits you buy don't have a volume
control, but that is simple to add.


-- Jeff aa6xa

From dick at elecraft.com  Thu Oct 17 20:01:34 2019
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 17:01:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 firmware alpha testers sought
Message-ID: <003001d58547$34fa2a80$9eee7f80$@elecraft.com>

I've made changes to fan speed handling and would like to ask for some
fan-speed fussy volunteers to check out a pending firmware change.  If
you're willing to test, please send me a note. 

 

Here are the change notes since 2.27:

 

02.32 10/15/2019

 

*         Bug fix: fan speed was reduced too quickly during cool-down,
caused too-frequent fan speed change

*         Add Tech Mode FAN SPEED DWELL menu item & ^DW command to set the
time fans stay at a given speed after crossing a cool-down temperature
threshold.

*         Switch to STBY if BAND CHANGE->STBY is enabled and the frequency
(from XCVR or TX count) is below the amp's frequency range

*         Add Tech Mode BOOT BLOCK VERSION menu item and ^BV command to
display the boot block firmware version.. ^BV; response is like ^BV01.06;"

 

73 de Dick, K6KR

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


From riese-k3djc at juno.com  Thu Oct 17 21:22:31 2019
From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 21:22:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Cruise lines
Message-ID: <AABQ4UFQ8AGDEGQS@smtpout02.vgs.untd.com>


thank you k3djc


On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 06:54:17 -0700 "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft"
<eric at elecraft.com> writes:
> Folks, this thread was closed yesterday and is drifting further OT. 
> Please end discussion or take it off list ifn the interest of 
> improving list SNR.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Eric
> Moderator, COO etc.
> elecraft.com
> _..._
> 
> > On Oct 17, 2019, at 4:35 AM, jeff griffin <kb2m at arrl.net> wrote:
> > 
> > ?What I find interesting is their using the government supplied 
> scanning
> > equipment for free to remove any personnel alcohol, and increase 
> their
> > profit margin.75$ for a 7$ bottle of wine?! Along with the sub 
> standard
> > entertainment on board, bad food, etc. I avoid cruises like the 
> plague.
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From KY5G at montac.com  Thu Oct 17 21:41:56 2019
From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 20:41:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for volunteer to design a tiny CW
 transceiver for socially isolated kids/teens
In-Reply-To: <075f5506-6867-4127-6afa-5f69eb886257@coastside.net>
References: <1F9054D9-39AC-429B-9970-E66872BFF044@elecraft.com>
	<075f5506-6867-4127-6afa-5f69eb886257@coastside.net>
Message-ID: <682b28c8-b716-9eef-65a5-523d51fc339a@montac.com>

Y'all wanna talk Super LP CW with a kit builder, contact Floyd Hoskins, 
N5FH.? He's seen, fixed, built, et al. many different designs.

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
(318) 518-1389

On 17-Oct-19 15:32, Brian Hunt wrote:
> Back when Halted Specialties Company (HSC) was in business in the SF 
> Bay Area I bought a PIXIE2e kit from them for $14.95.? It is a crystal 
> controlled direct conversion transceiver using only a 2N2222 
> oscillator and LM386 audio amp on a 1" x 2" PCB.? It came with 
> crystals for 80m and 40m.? RF output 200-300 mW with a 9v battery. I 
> never built it and dug the kit out of my "archives." I'd be glad to 
> offer it up as a design or evaluation candidate.
>
> 73,
> Brian, K0DTJ
>
> On 10/17/2019 11:05, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Someone recently told me that he'd benefitted throughout his life 
>> from learning Morse code as a teen. Ham radio helped him cope. He's 
>> gone on to promote Morse because it can help kids with certain 
>> cognitive or social issues. Such problems are exacerbated by social 
>> media, these days. We all know of teens who've ended up ostracized or 
>> worse.
>>
>> He was wondering what the ham community may be able to do for them.
>>
>> I proposed a simple ($5-$10), unlicensed CW transceiver (kit or 
>> assembled or both) that would put out maybe 1 milliwatt. It would 
>> serve as a code-practice oscillator for solo use. But with a short 
>> wire hanging from the PCB, kids could work "DX" -- like across a 
>> room, or better yet, outdoors.
>>
>> This got his attention. I went on to describe a scenario that he 
>> found very plausible, based on his experience with Morse advocacy: 
>> You hand kids the little modules (just a PCB with a built-in 4x AAA 
>> battery pack, code key, antenna wire, and cheap earbuds), and ask 
>> them to try sending/receiving a few letters. The complete code would 
>> be silkscreened onto the PCB. After they try this, you say, "Now see 
>> how far apart you can get and still copy you friend's signal." This 
>> is where the magic happens, at least for those of us who have been 
>> leveraging action-at-a-distance ourselves for many years :)? It takes 
>> things a step beyond ordinary code practice. Connects kids to other 
>> kids. At best it could serve as a bridge to a world outside themselves.
>>
>> I'm picturing the little rig as SA602 based, with one crystal for TX 
>> and one for RX, running so little power than licensing is a 
>> non-issue. Frequency? TBD. Something available in cheap fundamental 
>> crystals from Digikey. Each one would have its crystals offset 
>> slightly from the others, so the effect of having a number of them in 
>> one room might be a bit like being on a crowded CW band. Picking out 
>> the pitch of a signal of interest and copying it is a skill many of 
>> us have learned. I'm sure kids who are motivated would be able to do 
>> it as well.
>>
>> It should not have debilitating clicks or thumps when keyed. The only 
>> control should be for volume. It should be full break-in, which at 
>> this power level is easily obtained.
>>
>> This is a project I would gladly take on myself if not for my 
>> greater-than-full-time commitments to Elecraft products. I'm hoping 
>> there's a tinkerer out there with more free time who could start from 
>> a minimal description and design the little rig.? The gentleman I 
>> spoke to has been frustrated over the years in trying to get his 
>> message out, and in trying to find ways to take Morse code to a wider 
>> range of kids. He felt that this idea had a lot of merit.
>>
>> If you're interested in this project, or know of something that 
>> matches this description that's already available, please contact me 
>> directly.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
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>
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From beibeisos1 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 17 21:53:14 2019
From: beibeisos1 at gmail.com (beibeisos1 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 21:53:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for KFL1 Band Board for K1
Message-ID: <CF4758EC-F31C-4DB0-8211-523A038FCFEA@gmail.com>

I just found an unbuilt K1 on eBay! It seems all the components are there except the band board is missing in this kit... I am wondering if anyone has a spare KFL1-2 or KFL-4 board that you would like to sell. I am also looking for the internal ATU for the K1. Please contact me by my email beibeisos1 at gmail.com.

Thanks
Mocun

From dave at ad6a.com  Thu Oct 17 22:21:11 2019
From: dave at ad6a.com (Dave AD6A)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 19:21:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for volunteer to design a tiny CW
	transceiver for socially isolated kids/teens
In-Reply-To: <1F9054D9-39AC-429B-9970-E66872BFF044@elecraft.com>
References: <1F9054D9-39AC-429B-9970-E66872BFF044@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <73519CCD-78C8-4C3D-A185-5949A41E9072@ad6a.com>

You could use most of the circuitry of the SMK-1 40m QRP rig to do exactly what you describe Wayne (leave off the PA!).  The SMK-1 has Full break-in, no clicks or chirps, and a half-decent receiver in it. Feel free to use the design as you see fit.

Dave Fifield
AD6A

Sent from my ? iPhone XS (Max)

> On Oct 17, 2019, at 11:06 AM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 

?Hi all,

Someone recently told me that he'd benefitted throughout his life from learning Morse code as a teen. Ham radio helped him cope. He's gone on to promote Morse because it can help kids with certain cognitive or social issues. Such problems are exacerbated by social media, these days. We all know of teens who've ended up ostracized or worse.

He was wondering what the ham community may be able to do for them. 

I proposed a simple ($5-$10), unlicensed CW transceiver (kit or assembled or both) that would put out maybe 1 milliwatt. It would serve as a code-practice oscillator for solo use. But with a short wire hanging from the PCB, kids could work "DX" -- like across a room, or better yet, outdoors. 

This got his attention. I went on to describe a scenario that he found very plausible, based on his experience with Morse advocacy: You hand kids the little modules (just a PCB with a built-in 4x AAA battery pack, code key, antenna wire, and cheap earbuds), and ask them to try sending/receiving a few letters. The complete code would be silkscreened onto the PCB. After they try this, you say, "Now see how far apart you can get and still copy you friend's signal." This is where the magic happens, at least for those of us who have been leveraging action-at-a-distance ourselves for many years :)  It takes things a step beyond ordinary code practice. Connects kids to other kids. At best it could serve as a bridge to a world outside themselves. 

I'm picturing the little rig as SA602 based, with one crystal for TX and one for RX, running so little power than licensing is a non-issue. Frequency? TBD. Something available in cheap fundamental crystals from Digikey. Each one would have its crystals offset slightly from the others, so the effect of having a number of them in one room might be a bit like being on a crowded CW band. Picking out the pitch of a signal of interest and copying it is a skill many of us have learned. I'm sure kids who are motivated would be able to do it as well.

It should not have debilitating clicks or thumps when keyed. The only control should be for volume. It should be full break-in, which at this power level is easily obtained.

This is a project I would gladly take on myself if not for my greater-than-full-time commitments to Elecraft products. I'm hoping there's a tinkerer out there with more free time who could start from a minimal description and design the little rig.  The gentleman I spoke to has been frustrated over the years in trying to get his message out, and in trying to find ways to take Morse code to a wider range of kids. He felt that this idea had a lot of merit.

If you're interested in this project, or know of something that matches this description that's already available, please contact me directly.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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From ktalbott at gamewood.net  Thu Oct 17 22:28:13 2019
From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (ktalbott at gamewood.net)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 22:28:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for volunteer to design a tiny CW
	transceiver for socially isolated kids/teens
In-Reply-To: <CAGzEeC__Cq4cq9ECh3fn+t5vp9=e=+iLk077B_waVGMzaju=jA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGzEeC__Cq4cq9ECh3fn+t5vp9=e=+iLk077B_waVGMzaju=jA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00c001d5855b$b209c300$161d4900$@gamewood.net>

I've spent hours playing with Pixies. Good choice only if keying is cleaned
up.
Ken ke4rg

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Jeff Kabel
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 7:08 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for volunteer to design a tiny CW transceiver
for socially isolated kids/teens

1) Wouldn't it be better to use one of the ISM bands? Then licensing is not
a problem. I'd feel uncomfortable giving radios that operate in the ham
bands to people without a license. There are bands 6.765-6.795MHz,
13.553-13.567MHz, and 26.957-27.283 close to our 40, 20, and 12/10 meter
bands, and a number of bands in the VHF+ range. The 13MHz one is used by the
HiFER <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LowFER> experimenters already.
There are also the LowFER and MedFER bands.

2) Does the pixie not meet the requirements? They're cheap ($3-5 on eBay),
low power (~150mW), and have QSK. The kits you buy don't have a volume
control, but that is simple to add.


-- Jeff aa6xa
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From eric at elecraft.com  Thu Oct 17 23:29:19 2019
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 20:29:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Delivery
In-Reply-To: <AB990CB9-8E02-450F-B618-7E5D37E9D6F3@mac.com>
References: <AB990CB9-8E02-450F-B618-7E5D37E9D6F3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C731C39D-8089-4357-B37C-0D119B259B04@elecraft.com>

Hi Tom,

I apologize for any confusion on K4 status. We really appreciate the support you and others have given us with your K4 orders. 

We?ve been very busy keeping our heads down and working hard finishing key K4 features and getting everything lined up for production, including getting critical long lead parts on order with committed delivery dates. We are being very careful about getting this right and not cutting corners. 

I?ll make sure to post updates more often here and via direct emAil to K4 order holders as we converge to keep everyone informed and up to date. We?ll also make more posts describing some exciting features we are adding to the K4 design.

We?ll be off line through this weekend at the ARRL Pacificon hamfest.  I?ll make sure to post here links to any video interviews we give there on the K4 and its newest features. 

73,
Eric
elecraft.com
---

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Fri Oct 18 00:50:09 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 21:50:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for volunteer to design a tiny CW
 transceiver for socially isolated kids/teens
In-Reply-To: <73519CCD-78C8-4C3D-A185-5949A41E9072@ad6a.com>
References: <1F9054D9-39AC-429B-9970-E66872BFF044@elecraft.com>
	<73519CCD-78C8-4C3D-A185-5949A41E9072@ad6a.com>
Message-ID: <776A8F44-132F-42B5-868E-18D602B28629@elecraft.com>

Thanks, Dave.

I've had many responses to this request. Excellent response from a community that not only wants to help kids, they also want more CW ops on the air :)

73,
Wayne
N6KR




> On Oct 17, 2019, at 7:21 PM, Dave AD6A <dave at ad6a.com> wrote:
> 
> You could use most of the circuitry of the SMK-1 40m QRP rig to do exactly what you describe Wayne (leave off the PA!).  The SMK-1 has Full break-in, no clicks or chirps, and a half-decent receiver in it. Feel free to use the design as you see fit.
> 
> Dave Fifield
> AD6A
> 
> Sent from my ? iPhone XS (Max)
> 
>> On Oct 17, 2019, at 11:06 AM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>> 
> 
> ?Hi all,
> 
> Someone recently told me that he'd benefitted throughout his life from learning Morse code as a teen. Ham radio helped him cope. He's gone on to promote Morse because it can help kids with certain cognitive or social issues. Such problems are exacerbated by social media, these days. We all know of teens who've ended up ostracized or worse.
> 
> He was wondering what the ham community may be able to do for them. 
> 
> I proposed a simple ($5-$10), unlicensed CW transceiver (kit or assembled or both) that would put out maybe 1 milliwatt. It would serve as a code-practice oscillator for solo use. But with a short wire hanging from the PCB, kids could work "DX" -- like across a room, or better yet, outdoors. 
> 
> This got his attention. I went on to describe a scenario that he found very plausible, based on his experience with Morse advocacy: You hand kids the little modules (just a PCB with a built-in 4x AAA battery pack, code key, antenna wire, and cheap earbuds), and ask them to try sending/receiving a few letters. The complete code would be silkscreened onto the PCB. After they try this, you say, "Now see how far apart you can get and still copy you friend's signal." This is where the magic happens, at least for those of us who have been leveraging action-at-a-distance ourselves for many years :)  It takes things a step beyond ordinary code practice. Connects kids to other kids. At best it could serve as a bridge to a world outside themselves. 
> 
> I'm picturing the little rig as SA602 based, with one crystal for TX and one for RX, running so little power than licensing is a non-issue. Frequency? TBD. Something available in cheap fundamental crystals from Digikey. Each one would have its crystals offset slightly from the others, so the effect of having a number of them in one room might be a bit like being on a crowded CW band. Picking out the pitch of a signal of interest and copying it is a skill many of us have learned. I'm sure kids who are motivated would be able to do it as well.
> 
> It should not have debilitating clicks or thumps when keyed. The only control should be for volume. It should be full break-in, which at this power level is easily obtained.
> 
> This is a project I would gladly take on myself if not for my greater-than-full-time commitments to Elecraft products. I'm hoping there's a tinkerer out there with more free time who could start from a minimal description and design the little rig.  The gentleman I spoke to has been frustrated over the years in trying to get his message out, and in trying to find ways to take Morse code to a wider range of kids. He felt that this idea had a lot of merit.
> 
> If you're interested in this project, or know of something that matches this description that's already available, please contact me directly.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Fri Oct 18 10:02:33 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 07:02:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX / AX line discussions
In-Reply-To: <27792.1571406032790416506@groups.io>
References: <27792.1571406032790416506@groups.io>
Message-ID: <450D8AF7-818C-4322-8C45-468D1DCA5F16@elecraft.com>

Hi all,

I'd like to thank the moderators for successfully transitioning the original KX3 Yahoo group to "Elecraft-KX" on groups.io. This has been a long process. 

While we post everything of general interest to the Elecraft reflector on QTH.net, the new "KX" list will be an excellent place for wide-band/in-depth discussion of all things "eXtreme." This includes our KX line transceivers, AX line antennas, and the many third-party products that have helped create a rich ecosystem for the QRP/outdoor gang.

In addition to discussion about current products, please keep those ideas coming for new products and features that support field operation. I'm in the target audience, too: I use my KX/AX gear nearly every weekend, on outings ranging from walks around local parks to extended hiking. (And, I admit, an occasional /H outing, i.e. back-yard-hammock-portable.) There are thousands of hams using our portable gear for much more ambitious outings, as well, including SOTA and mini-DXpeditions.

Thanks for your ongoing support and enthusiasm!

73,
Wayne
N6KR


From elanzl at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct 18 12:33:35 2019
From: elanzl at sbcglobal.net (Eric Lanzl)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 16:33:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net
References: <209609557.4759178.1571416415629.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <209609557.4759178.1571416415629@mail.yahoo.com>

Here are two weeks of logs from the Elecraft SSB Net. Thanks again to the relay stations and to all who checked in. The net meets at 1800z on Sundays on a frequency of 14.303.5 except for major contests and major holidays. All are welcome. 

Eric WB9JNZ

Elecraft SSB Net 10-6-1019

WB9JNZ???????? Eric????? IL??????K3????????? ????4017??? Net Control

W1NGA????????? AL??????? CO????? K3??????? ???? 5765

NC0JW ????????? Jim ???? CO???? KX3 ?????????1356

N6JW ???????????? John ?? CA ????? K3 ?????? ???????936

K8NU/4?????????? Carl???? OH???? TS590???? via KF4LZA

N4NRW????????? Roger? SC?????? K3??????? ????? 1318??Relay station

AI6KV????????????? Bob????? CA?????? KX3???? ???10068

KF7ZN??????????? Ron???? UT?????? K3S???? ??? 10832

KO5V????????????? Jim????? NM????? K2/100 ?????7255

K7BRR??????????? Bill?????? AZ?????? K3S???? ??? 10939

WM6P ??????????? Steve ??GA ????K3S?????????11453

AI4VZ????????????? George GA??? K3???????? ????? 2412

W7REK?????????? Glenn??? AZ????K3???????????? 2843

N1GIJ???????????? Stan???? ? TX???? Icom 746 Pro

K4FBI????????????? Mike???  VA???? K3S????? ????11414

W5RG???????????? Bob????? ? FL????K3?????????????? 1440

WW4JF?????????? John??? ? TN????K3S???? ????? 11177

K6VWE?????????? Stan?????? MI?????K3??????????????? 650
NS7P????????????? Phil????? ?? OR??? K3?????? ??????? 1826


Elecraft SSB Net 10-13-2019

WB9JNZ???????? Eric????? IL??????K3????????? ?4017???Net Control

K8NU/4?????????? Carl???? OH???? TS590???? via KF4LZA

K1NW ????????????Brian ???RI ?????K3 ???????????4974???Relay Station

N7BDL?? ???????? Terry??  AZ????K3S????? ???10373

KF7ZN??????????? Ron???? UT?????? K3S???? ? ?10832

W7REK?????????? Glenn??? AZ????K3??????????? 2843

KO5V????????????? Jim????? NM????? K2/100 ?? ??7255

K0JFJ/7????????? Mike??? AZ?????? K3S???? ?? ?11830

WM6P ??????????? Steve ??GA ????K3S??????????11453 ?Relay Station

W1NGA????????? AL??????? CO????? K3??????? ???? ?5765

W4DML?????????? Doug?? TN????? K3????????? ???6433

K6VWE?????????? Stan?????? MI?????K3??????????? ???650

N4NRW????????? Roger? SC?????? K3??????? ?? ????1318??Relay station

K6BF?????????????? Vern????? CA????K3??????? ?????? 4608

WA0BEU??????? Steve?? CO????? KX2?????????? 0440?? QRP

K7BRR??????????? Bill?????? AZ?????? K3S???? ??? ?10939

From mails at qrp4fun.de  Fri Oct 18 13:43:54 2019
From: mails at qrp4fun.de (Ingo Meyer, DK3RED)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 19:43:54 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3] Waterfall
Message-ID: <9454ba2b-b7ef-a9d0-367c-163759e8e453@qrp4fun.de>

Dear Elecrafters,


I intend to buy a PX3. But I still have a few technical questions.

The manual says  "[DISP] toggles between the spectrum, and combination spectrum/waterfall 
display modes." Is it possible to increase the height of the waterfall to 100%, so the 
spectrum height is zero?

If the waterfall is increased to 100% height (if possible), how long does it take for a 
signal on the waterfall to reach the bottom from the top?


73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de

From dbthompson at me.com  Fri Oct 18 13:57:44 2019
From: dbthompson at me.com (David Thompson)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 10:57:44 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX / AX line discussions
In-Reply-To: <450D8AF7-818C-4322-8C45-468D1DCA5F16@elecraft.com>
References: <27792.1571406032790416506@groups.io>
	<450D8AF7-818C-4322-8C45-468D1DCA5F16@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <39ED0786-3EAF-472E-A734-94CFE7D58D4C@me.com>

Wayne,

Thanks for the tip. I applied for membership just now.

73 de AG7TX

David Thompson, AG7TX
Jack of All Trades
Master of None
dbthompson at me.com




> On Oct 18, 2019, at 07:02, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'd like to thank the moderators for successfully transitioning the original KX3 Yahoo group to "Elecraft-KX" on groups.io. This has been a long process. 
> 
> While we post everything of general interest to the Elecraft reflector on QTH.net, the new "KX" list will be an excellent place for wide-band/in-depth discussion of all things "eXtreme." This includes our KX line transceivers, AX line antennas, and the many third-party products that have helped create a rich ecosystem for the QRP/outdoor gang.
> 
> In addition to discussion about current products, please keep those ideas coming for new products and features that support field operation. I'm in the target audience, too: I use my KX/AX gear nearly every weekend, on outings ranging from walks around local parks to extended hiking. (And, I admit, an occasional /H outing, i.e. back-yard-hammock-portable.) There are thousands of hams using our portable gear for much more ambitious outings, as well, including SOTA and mini-DXpeditions.
> 
> Thanks for your ongoing support and enthusiasm!
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
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From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Fri Oct 18 14:03:36 2019
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 18:03:36 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon
In-Reply-To: <62E45500-A988-4FFA-9310-A5F7F97D584A@elecraft.com>
References: <62E45500-A988-4FFA-9310-A5F7F97D584A@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <A81AF75E-D340-4E1F-BB06-EA78E75B27BD@illinois.edu>

Is a more accurate clock possible? I imagine that depends on available chips but it?s a common topic.

Chuck Jack Hawley 
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On Oct 17, 2019, at 5:24 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> One of many K4 features we're putting the finishing touches on is the dual panadapter display, which will make its debut at Pacificon. Please stop by our booth this weekend if you get a chance.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
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From turnbull at net1.ie  Fri Oct 18 16:18:23 2019
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 20:18:23 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon
In-Reply-To: <A81AF75E-D340-4E1F-BB06-EA78E75B27BD@illinois.edu>
References: <62E45500-A988-4FFA-9310-A5F7F97D584A@elecraft.com>
	<A81AF75E-D340-4E1F-BB06-EA78E75B27BD@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <BBE16B1963154D4B96E13B88582542A6@DougTPC>

Chuck,
    Do you mean a 24 hour clock?   I too would like this.

                  73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of hawley, charles j jr
Sent: 18 October 2019 18:04
To: Wayne Burdick
Cc: Elecraft Reflector; Elecraft-K4 at groups.io
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon

Is a more accurate clock possible? I imagine that depends on available chips
but it's a common topic.

Chuck Jack Hawley 
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On Oct 17, 2019, at 5:24 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> One of many K4 features we're putting the finishing touches on is the dual
panadapter display, which will make its debut at Pacificon. Please stop by
our booth this weekend if you get a chance.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
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From todd at ruby-wine.com  Fri Oct 18 16:50:31 2019
From: todd at ruby-wine.com (Todd Ruby)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 16:50:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Transmitting audio file
Message-ID: <BDA89244-167C-4970-97A8-B6FCE4595BDA@ruby-wine.com>

Hello everyone 
The other day a DX station recorded my transmission and asked me if I?d like to hear how I sound. I said,?sure?, and then he replayed it on the air for me to hear. 

My question is how do I do this? My soundcard feeds the audio into my MacBook Pro, and the Pizeo app records it. 

Question how do I key the rig to transmit the recording?

tnx in advance 
73
todd
WB2ZAB 

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Fri Oct 18 17:00:18 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 14:00:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon
In-Reply-To: <BBE16B1963154D4B96E13B88582542A6@DougTPC>
References: <62E45500-A988-4FFA-9310-A5F7F97D584A@elecraft.com>
	<A81AF75E-D340-4E1F-BB06-EA78E75B27BD@illinois.edu>
	<BBE16B1963154D4B96E13B88582542A6@DougTPC>
Message-ID: <528B64B9-3C10-416F-A97D-096D8A460CA5@elecraft.com>

The K4 includes on-screen date/time, and it?s very accurate. 

Wayne
N6KR

----
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> On Oct 18, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Doug Turnbull <turnbull at net1.ie> wrote:
> 
> Chuck,
>    Do you mean a 24 hour clock?   I too would like this.
> 
>                  73 Doug EI2CN
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of hawley, charles j jr
> Sent: 18 October 2019 18:04
> To: Wayne Burdick
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector; Elecraft-K4 at groups.io
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon
> 
> Is a more accurate clock possible? I imagine that depends on available chips
> but it's a common topic.
> 
> Chuck Jack Hawley 
> KE9UW
> 
> Sent from my iPhone, cjack 
> 
>> On Oct 17, 2019, at 5:24 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>> 
>> One of many K4 features we're putting the finishing touches on is the dual
> panadapter display, which will make its debut at Pacificon. Please stop by
> our booth this weekend if you get a chance.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
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From jtmiller47 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 18 17:00:23 2019
From: jtmiller47 at gmail.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 17:00:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon
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Since the K4 is running Linux if attached to the internet it would likely be timesynched by default. 

> On Oct 18, 2019, at 4:31 PM, Doug Turnbull <turnbull at net1.ie> wrote:
> 

?Chuck,
   Do you mean a 24 hour clock?   I too would like this.

                 73 Doug EI2CN

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Cc: Elecraft Reflector; Elecraft-K4 at groups.io
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon

Is a more accurate clock possible? I imagine that depends on available chips
but it's a common topic.

Chuck Jack Hawley 
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On Oct 17, 2019, at 5:24 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> One of many K4 features we're putting the finishing touches on is the dual
panadapter display, which will make its debut at Pacificon. Please stop by
our booth this weekend if you get a chance.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
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From dubinse at aol.com  Fri Oct 18 17:08:49 2019
From: dubinse at aol.com (Dr Stephen E Dubin)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 17:08:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Tony CW transceiver for socially isolated kids
Message-ID: <rojw2jtghpvaywds4oxb0gft.1571432929591@email.android.com>

I have seen advertisements for FRS walkie talkies with Morse code. It may be done using the PTT   button, but I'm pretty sure there is a tone.  Price was about 12.95 per pair.  Just a thought.

73 De W3UEC (Steve Dubin)

From eric.csuf at gmail.com  Fri Oct 18 17:37:56 2019
From: eric.csuf at gmail.com (EricJ)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 14:37:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Tony CW transceiver for socially isolated kids
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I wonder if kids today are going to be impressed with a commercial radio 
that lets them talk 100' away. Most of them are packing a cellphone with 
more power than even NASA envisioned when many of us were that age.? 
Radio was magic to us. Being able to talk to people in Russia was 
unbelievable. These kids communicate worldwide almost every day. I think 
they might be impressed with the simplicity of a more homebrew looking 
(guts exposed) minimalist rig with an equally simple coded "language".

Eric KE6US


On 10/18/2019 2:08 PM, Dr Stephen E Dubin via Elecraft wrote:
> I have seen advertisements for FRS walkie talkies with Morse code. It may be done using the PTT   button, but I'm pretty sure there is a tone.  Price was about 12.95 per pair.  Just a thought.
>
> 73 De W3UEC (Steve Dubin)
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From xdavid at cis-broadband.com  Fri Oct 18 17:50:47 2019
From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 14:50:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon
In-Reply-To: <BBE16B1963154D4B96E13B88582542A6@DougTPC>
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I've never understood the obsession with clocks and clock accuracy on 
the K3/K3s/K4 series of rigs, yet it keeps popping up here from time to 
time.? I would think that 98+% of the operations with these rigs 
involves the use of computer logging programs, almost all of which 
boldly, conspicuously, and accurately display the time and autolog it.? 
I could see the need for it on a KX2 or KX3, but why is it such a big 
deal on the base stations?

Just curious.? I'm a long time K3 owner and I never use the internal clock.

73,
Dave?? AB7E


On 10/18/2019 1:18 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote:
> Chuck,
>      Do you mean a 24 hour clock?   I too would like this.
>
>                    73 Doug EI2CN


From wunder at wunderwood.org  Fri Oct 18 17:54:39 2019
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 14:54:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Tony CW transceiver for socially isolated kids
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I pulled out my HT to show to our Scouts, ages 11-13, and they were fascinated that I could talk all the way to Mount Diablo with it. That is about 50 miles, line of sight, to the W6CX repeater on the summit. They also thought the phonetic alphabet was really cool, like a secret code.

Tomorrow is Jamboree on the Air, so we?ll see a lot of young people get on the radio.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
Radio Scouting Chair, Pacific Skyline Council
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https://www.linkedin.com/in/walterunderwood/

> On Oct 18, 2019, at 2:37 PM, EricJ <eric.csuf at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I wonder if kids today are going to be impressed with a commercial radio that lets them talk 100' away. Most of them are packing a cellphone with more power than even NASA envisioned when many of us were that age.  Radio was magic to us. Being able to talk to people in Russia was unbelievable. These kids communicate worldwide almost every day. I think they might be impressed with the simplicity of a more homebrew looking (guts exposed) minimalist rig with an equally simple coded "language".
> 
> Eric KE6US
> 
> 
> On 10/18/2019 2:08 PM, Dr Stephen E Dubin via Elecraft wrote:
>> I have seen advertisements for FRS walkie talkies with Morse code. It may be done using the PTT   button, but I'm pretty sure there is a tone.  Price was about 12.95 per pair.  Just a thought.
>> 
>> 73 De W3UEC (Steve Dubin)
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Fri Oct 18 17:58:30 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 14:58:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for volunteer to design a tiny CW
 transceiver for socially isolated kids/teens
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If they're unlicensed, they will be intentional radiators subject to 
47CFR15 Subpart C [15.201 et seq] which imposes field strength limits 
that vary with frequency. 15.201(b) may also require certification.? 
Depending on choice of frequency, 150 mW may be way too high since in 
the 1.7 - 30 MHz range, the limit is 30 uV/m at 30 m.? I think Wayne has 
hit on a great idea, it's just going to take some Part 15 engineering.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 10/17/2019 4:07 PM, Jeff Kabel wrote:
> 1) Wouldn't it be better to use one of the ISM bands? Then licensing is not
> a problem. I'd feel uncomfortable giving radios that operate in the ham
> bands to people without a license. There are bands 6.765-6.795MHz,
> 13.553-13.567MHz, and 26.957-27.283 close to our 40, 20, and 12/10 meter
> bands, and a number of bands in the VHF+ range. The 13MHz one is used by
> the HiFER <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LowFER> experimenters already.
> There are also the LowFER and MedFER bands.
>
> 2) Does the pixie not meet the requirements? They're cheap ($3-5 on eBay),
> low power (~150mW), and have QSK. The kits you buy don't have a volume
> control, but that is simple to add.
>
>
> -- Jeff aa6xa
>


From weaverwf at usermail.com  Fri Oct 18 17:59:03 2019
From: weaverwf at usermail.com (Bill Weaver)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 17:59:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon
In-Reply-To: <3b2e098a-39c8-99c2-f0e7-538bff315524@cis-broadband.com>
	<BBE16B1963154D4B96E13B88582542A6@DougTPC>
References: <62E45500-A988-4FFA-9310-A5F7F97D584A@elecraft.com>
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Message-ID: <32954a4a-848a-48ac-ab55-baf8172f539a@localhost>

 
 
The flip side of that is with ntp being around since the stone age and the K4 having that feature implicitly, why not have it dead on? I have to use a 3rd party program to keep windows close which is a joke in the 21st century.  
 

 
73,
 
Bill WE5P
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
>  
> On Oct 18, 2019 at 17:50, David Gilbert  <xdavid at cis-broadband.com>  wrote:
>  
>  
>  I've never understood the obsession with clocks and clock accuracy on the K3/K3s/K4 series of rigs, yet it keeps popping up here from time to time. I would think that 98+% of the operations with these rigs involves the use of computer logging programs, almost all of which boldly, conspicuously, and accurately display the time and autolog it. I could see the need for it on a KX2 or KX3, but why is it such a big deal on the base stations? Just curious. I'm a long time K3 owner and I never use the internal clock. 73, Dave AB7E On 10/18/2019 1:18 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote:  >  Chuck,  >  Do you mean a 24 hour clock? I too would like this.  >   >  73 Doug EI2CN ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htm!
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From xdavid at cis-broadband.com  Fri Oct 18 18:31:10 2019
From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 15:31:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon
In-Reply-To: <32954a4a-848a-48ac-ab55-baf8172f539a@localhost>
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Yeah, I understand that.? If you're going to have a clock it might as 
well be accurate.? I just don't understand why anyone cares about the 
clock to start with.? At least not unless or until Elecraft enables some 
embedded app in the K4 that needs it.? I doubt anyone needs +/- a couple 
seconds accuracy for anything that would involve manually transcribing 
the time from the rig.

Agree about Windows.? When I power on my Win10 laptop that I use for FT8 
the damn thing is about 2.5 seconds off until Meinberg decides to step 
in and fix things.? Pretty sad.

73,
Dave?? AB7E


On 10/18/2019 2:59 PM, Bill Weaver wrote:
> The flip side of that is with ntp being around since the stone age and 
> the K4 having that feature implicitly, why not have it dead on? I have 
> to use a 3rd party program to keep windows close which is a joke in 
> the 21st century.
>
> 73,
> Bill WE5P
>
>
>> On Oct 18, 2019 at 17:50, David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com 
>> <mailto:xdavid at cis-broadband.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I've never understood the obsession with clocks and clock accuracy on
>> the K3/K3s/K4 series of rigs, yet it keeps popping up here from time to
>> time.? I would think that 98+% of the operations with these rigs
>> involves the use of computer logging programs, almost all of which
>> boldly, conspicuously, and accurately display the time and autolog it.
>> I could see the need for it on a KX2 or KX3, but why is it such a big
>> deal on the base stations?
>>
>> Just curious.? I'm a long time K3 owner and I never use the internal clock.
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave?? AB7E
>>
>>
>> On 10/18/2019 1:18 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote:
>> > Chuck,
>> >      Do you mean a 24 hour clock?   I too would like this.
>> >
>> >                    73 Doug EI2CN
>>
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From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Fri Oct 18 18:54:19 2019
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 22:54:19 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon
In-Reply-To: <3b2e098a-39c8-99c2-f0e7-538bff315524@cis-broadband.com>
References: <62E45500-A988-4FFA-9310-A5F7F97D584A@elecraft.com>
	<A81AF75E-D340-4E1F-BB06-EA78E75B27BD@illinois.edu>
	<BBE16B1963154D4B96E13B88582542A6@DougTPC>,
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Message-ID: <17FEB70D-30F8-4002-8D42-FD9DFFE590E5@illinois.edu>

If it?s there, it needs to be right for some folks. And they?re the ones I want designing my car?s airbags.

Chuck Jack Hawley 
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On Oct 18, 2019, at 4:51 PM, David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I've never understood the obsession with clocks and clock accuracy on the K3/K3s/K4 series of rigs, yet it keeps popping up here from time to time.  I would think that 98+% of the operations with these rigs involves the use of computer logging programs, almost all of which boldly, conspicuously, and accurately display the time and autolog it.  I could see the need for it on a KX2 or KX3, but why is it such a big deal on the base stations?
> 
> Just curious.  I'm a long time K3 owner and I never use the internal clock.
> 
> 73,
> Dave   AB7E
> 
> 
>> On 10/18/2019 1:18 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote:
>> Chuck,
>>     Do you mean a 24 hour clock?   I too would like this.
>> 
>>                   73 Doug EI2CN
> 
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From weaverwf at usermail.com  Fri Oct 18 19:45:35 2019
From: weaverwf at usermail.com (Bill Weaver)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 19:45:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon
In-Reply-To: <0b88ff8d-2165-af2f-e93c-0b80d323c9d9@cis-broadband.com>
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I agree about it's utility :-).
 

 
73,
 
Bill WE5P
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
>  
> On Oct 18, 2019 at 18:31, David Gilbert  <xdavid at cis-broadband.com>  wrote:
>  
>  
>  Yeah, I understand that. If you're going to have a clock it might as well be accurate. I just don't understand why anyone cares about the clock to start with. At least not unless or until Elecraft enables some embedded app in the K4 that needs it. I doubt anyone needs +/- a couple seconds accuracy for anything that would involve manually transcribing the time from the rig. Agree about Windows. When I power on my Win10 laptop that I use for FT8 the damn thing is about 2.5 seconds off until Meinberg decides to step in and fix things. Pretty sad. 73, Dave AB7E On 10/18/2019 2:59 PM, Bill Weaver wrote:  >  The flip side of that is with ntp being around since the stone age and  >  the K4 having that feature implicitly, why not have it dead on? I have  >  to use a 3rd party program to keep windows close which is a joke in  >  the 21st century.  >   >  73,  >  Bill WE5P  >   >   >>  On Oct 18, 2019 at 17:50, David Gilbert  >   >  wrote:  >>   >>  I've never understood the obsess!
 ion with 
clocks and clock accuracy on  >>  the K3/K3s/K4 series of rigs, yet it keeps popping up here from time to  >>  time. I would think that 98+% of the operations with these rigs  >>  involves the use of computer logging programs, almost all of which  >>  boldly, conspicuously, and accurately display the time and autolog it.  >>  I could see the need for it on a KX2 or KX3, but why is it such a big  >>  deal on the base stations?  >>   >>  Just curious. I'm a long time K3 owner and I never use the internal clock.  >>   >>  73,  >>  Dave AB7E  >>   >>   >>  On 10/18/2019 1:18 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote:  >>   >  Chuck,  >>   >  Do you mean a 24 hour clock? I too would like this.  >>   >   >>   >  73 Doug EI2CN  >>   >>  ______________________________________________________________  >>  Elecraft mailing list  >>  Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft  >>  Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm  >>  Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net  >>   >>  This list hosted by:!
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Oct 18 19:54:37 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 19:54:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Radio clocks, internet and security!
In-Reply-To: <A81AF75E-D340-4E1F-BB06-EA78E75B27BD@illinois.edu>
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Chuck and all,

How many actually use the clock in the K3, K3S, KX3 or KX2?
I certainly don't.  In the case of the KX3 it is used to time the 
charging of the internal batteries - good use.

I can see a ham without a watch or cell phone to want the rig to display 
the time for logging, but for me, my good old Timex on my wrist tells me 
what time to log.  The clock in my KX3 is more difficult to access than 
simply glancing at my wrist!

I have never even set the clock in my K3 or KX3!  Nor do I feel a need 
to do so.

As far as the K4 Linux software/firmware being internet connected, I 
have my reservations about that.  I have enough stuff connected to the 
internet, and someone will have to demonstrate the benefit of my ham 
radio being connected to the internet in addition to my computers.

If connection of the K4 to the internet is to be done, I have concerns 
about security and personal privacy.  Even Linux is subject to bad stuff 
from the internet - it is not entirely secure, it is just that the 
number of users is small compared to other OS versions and hackers just 
do not bother for most cases.

When my refrigerator or microwave begins to listen in to my 
conversations, I begin to worry about the BIG Brother consequences.

BTW, I do not have an Alexa or Siri device for those security reasons. 
I can easily use a switch on the wall to operate a light switch and it 
is secure. I can turn on my home theater or my computer AV application 
when I want to hear music or view videos.

Call me old-fashioned, but I like to have control of my environment. 
The Internet Of Things seems to be fraught with exposures and dangers 
that I am not willing to accept.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/18/2019 2:03 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
> Is a more accurate clock possible? I imagine that depends on available chips but it?s a common topic.
> 

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Fri Oct 18 20:08:13 2019
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 17:08:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Radio clocks, internet and security!
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	<A81AF75E-D340-4E1F-BB06-EA78E75B27BD@illinois.edu>
	<7ae559d1-ca88-0bb8-c70e-1fdaf471de0c@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <2707D30B-83B1-4BE2-9D80-7D199065D07D@wunderwood.org>

A zillion years ago, I was maintaining some ?groupware? for engineers at HP (Notesfiles). I was amazed to learn that some people used a different set of commands than I did. They found some bugs in those clearly superfluous commands. Despite their obviously mistaken approach to using the software, I fixed the bugs. :-)

So, be open to different uses of a product. Me, I keep Pacific time on my watch and UTC on my KX3. I log my SOTA activations in UTC. I reset the KX3 clock before each activation.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Oct 18, 2019, at 4:54 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Chuck and all,
> 
> How many actually use the clock in the K3, K3S, KX3 or KX2?
> I certainly don't.  In the case of the KX3 it is used to time the charging of the internal batteries - good use.
> 
> I can see a ham without a watch or cell phone to want the rig to display the time for logging, but for me, my good old Timex on my wrist tells me what time to log.  The clock in my KX3 is more difficult to access than simply glancing at my wrist!
> 
> I have never even set the clock in my K3 or KX3!  Nor do I feel a need to do so.
> 
> As far as the K4 Linux software/firmware being internet connected, I have my reservations about that.  I have enough stuff connected to the internet, and someone will have to demonstrate the benefit of my ham radio being connected to the internet in addition to my computers.
> 
> If connection of the K4 to the internet is to be done, I have concerns about security and personal privacy.  Even Linux is subject to bad stuff from the internet - it is not entirely secure, it is just that the number of users is small compared to other OS versions and hackers just do not bother for most cases.
> 
> When my refrigerator or microwave begins to listen in to my conversations, I begin to worry about the BIG Brother consequences.
> 
> BTW, I do not have an Alexa or Siri device for those security reasons. I can easily use a switch on the wall to operate a light switch and it is secure. I can turn on my home theater or my computer AV application when I want to hear music or view videos.
> 
> Call me old-fashioned, but I like to have control of my environment. The Internet Of Things seems to be fraught with exposures and dangers that I am not willing to accept.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 10/18/2019 2:03 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
>> Is a more accurate clock possible? I imagine that depends on available chips but it?s a common topic.
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From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Fri Oct 18 20:09:36 2019
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 00:09:36 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Radio clocks, internet and security!
In-Reply-To: <7ae559d1-ca88-0bb8-c70e-1fdaf471de0c@embarqmail.com>
References: <62E45500-A988-4FFA-9310-A5F7F97D584A@elecraft.com>
	<A81AF75E-D340-4E1F-BB06-EA78E75B27BD@illinois.edu>,
	<7ae559d1-ca88-0bb8-c70e-1fdaf471de0c@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CFE71FAF-4A57-4E54-B96B-C873FC1B926E@illinois.edu>

You're old fashioned...

Jack BMW Motorcycles
Chuck KE9UW
c-hawley at illinois.edu

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 18, 2019, at 6:54 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Chuck and all,
> 
> How many actually use the clock in the K3, K3S, KX3 or KX2?
> I certainly don't.  In the case of the KX3 it is used to time the charging of the internal batteries - good use.
> 
> I can see a ham without a watch or cell phone to want the rig to display the time for logging, but for me, my good old Timex on my wrist tells me what time to log.  The clock in my KX3 is more difficult to access than simply glancing at my wrist!
> 
> I have never even set the clock in my K3 or KX3!  Nor do I feel a need to do so.
> 
> As far as the K4 Linux software/firmware being internet connected, I have my reservations about that.  I have enough stuff connected to the internet, and someone will have to demonstrate the benefit of my ham radio being connected to the internet in addition to my computers.
> 
> If connection of the K4 to the internet is to be done, I have concerns about security and personal privacy.  Even Linux is subject to bad stuff from the internet - it is not entirely secure, it is just that the number of users is small compared to other OS versions and hackers just do not bother for most cases.
> 
> When my refrigerator or microwave begins to listen in to my conversations, I begin to worry about the BIG Brother consequences.
> 
> BTW, I do not have an Alexa or Siri device for those security reasons. I can easily use a switch on the wall to operate a light switch and it is secure. I can turn on my home theater or my computer AV application when I want to hear music or view videos.
> 
> Call me old-fashioned, but I like to have control of my environment. The Internet Of Things seems to be fraught with exposures and dangers that I am not willing to accept.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 10/18/2019 2:03 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
>> Is a more accurate clock possible? I imagine that depends on available chips but it?s a common topic.

From k9yeq at live.com  Fri Oct 18 20:59:27 2019
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 00:59:27 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Radio clocks, internet and security!
In-Reply-To: <7ae559d1-ca88-0bb8-c70e-1fdaf471de0c@embarqmail.com>
References: <62E45500-A988-4FFA-9310-A5F7F97D584A@elecraft.com>
	<A81AF75E-D340-4E1F-BB06-EA78E75B27BD@illinois.edu>
	<7ae559d1-ca88-0bb8-c70e-1fdaf471de0c@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <BL0PR18MB2306FA4C0F093A2B3E9547699C6F0@BL0PR18MB2306.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

Don, 
Plus you actually get exercise when you walk to your devices rather than rely on some software that does in fact invade your privacy. I am with you on this 100%.

72 & 73,
Bill
K9YEQ
FT?er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc. 

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 6:55 PM
To: hawley, charles j jr <c-hawley at illinois.edu>; Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>; Elecraft-K4 at groups.io
Subject: [Elecraft] Radio clocks, internet and security!

Chuck and all,

How many actually use the clock in the K3, K3S, KX3 or KX2?
I certainly don't.  In the case of the KX3 it is used to time the charging of the internal batteries - good use.

I can see a ham without a watch or cell phone to want the rig to display the time for logging, but for me, my good old Timex on my wrist tells me what time to log.  The clock in my KX3 is more difficult to access than simply glancing at my wrist!

I have never even set the clock in my K3 or KX3!  Nor do I feel a need to do so.

As far as the K4 Linux software/firmware being internet connected, I have my reservations about that.  I have enough stuff connected to the internet, and someone will have to demonstrate the benefit of my ham radio being connected to the internet in addition to my computers.

If connection of the K4 to the internet is to be done, I have concerns about security and personal privacy.  Even Linux is subject to bad stuff from the internet - it is not entirely secure, it is just that the number of users is small compared to other OS versions and hackers just do not bother for most cases.

When my refrigerator or microwave begins to listen in to my conversations, I begin to worry about the BIG Brother consequences.

BTW, I do not have an Alexa or Siri device for those security reasons. 
I can easily use a switch on the wall to operate a light switch and it is secure. I can turn on my home theater or my computer AV application when I want to hear music or view videos.

Call me old-fashioned, but I like to have control of my environment. 
The Internet Of Things seems to be fraught with exposures and dangers that I am not willing to accept.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/18/2019 2:03 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
> Is a more accurate clock possible? I imagine that depends on available chips but it?s a common topic.
> 
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Oct 18 21:46:04 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 20:46:04 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Radio clocks, internet and security!
In-Reply-To: <7ae559d1-ca88-0bb8-c70e-1fdaf471de0c@embarqmail.com>
References: <62E45500-A988-4FFA-9310-A5F7F97D584A@elecraft.com>
	<A81AF75E-D340-4E1F-BB06-EA78E75B27BD@illinois.edu>
	<7ae559d1-ca88-0bb8-c70e-1fdaf471de0c@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <885f5b36-2551-41a0-70af-bbd23b7b79cb@blomand.net>

I certainly use the clock on my K3S.? It is UTC while the computer is 
local time.?? The computer syncs to NTP servers.?? The K3 Utility makes 
it easy to update the clock as needed.

I am very careful what and how I connect things to the internet. I will 
never have any of those things, Alexa or Siri or the like, that one 
talks to that turns on lights or plays music.

I've a friend that presently writes code for security matters. He says 
he can hack into most of the computers on line.? He writes code to 
prevent these types of occurrences for his clients.?? One of which is 
the US Government and Military.?? Other projects are to assure 
conference rooms do not contain "bugs".? SDR receivers are great for 
this application. ?? And another is weapons guidance systems and related 
anti-jamming code.??? I'll take his advice and be careful what I connect 
to the internet.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 10/18/2019 6:54 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Chuck and all,
>
> How many actually use the clock in the K3, K3S, KX3 or KX2?
> I certainly don't.? In the case of the KX3 it is used to time the 
> charging of the internal batteries - good use.
>
> I can see a ham without a watch or cell phone to want the rig to 
> display the time for logging, but for me, my good old Timex on my 
> wrist tells me what time to log.? The clock in my KX3 is more 
> difficult to access than simply glancing at my wrist!
>
> I have never even set the clock in my K3 or KX3!? Nor do I feel a need 
> to do so.
>
> As far as the K4 Linux software/firmware being internet connected, I 
> have my reservations about that.? I have enough stuff connected to the 
> internet, and someone will have to demonstrate the benefit of my ham 
> radio being connected to the internet in addition to my computers.
>
> If connection of the K4 to the internet is to be done, I have concerns 
> about security and personal privacy.? Even Linux is subject to bad 
> stuff from the internet - it is not entirely secure, it is just that 
> the number of users is small compared to other OS versions and hackers 
> just do not bother for most cases.
>
> When my refrigerator or microwave begins to listen in to my 
> conversations, I begin to worry about the BIG Brother consequences.
>
> BTW, I do not have an Alexa or Siri device for those security reasons. 
> I can easily use a switch on the wall to operate a light switch and it 
> is secure. I can turn on my home theater or my computer AV application 
> when I want to hear music or view videos.
>
> Call me old-fashioned, but I like to have control of my environment. 
> The Internet Of Things seems to be fraught with exposures and dangers 
> that I am not willing to accept.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 10/18/2019 2:03 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
>> Is a more accurate clock possible? I imagine that depends on 
>> available chips but it?s a common topic.
>>
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Fri Oct 18 22:16:07 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 22:16:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Transmitting audio file
In-Reply-To: <BDA89244-167C-4970-97A8-B6FCE4595BDA@ruby-wine.com>
References: <BDA89244-167C-4970-97A8-B6FCE4595BDA@ruby-wine.com>
Message-ID: <1CB4190C-5D2B-4E22-BA6F-005CF39725A4@widomaker.com>

Easy. If you have a KX2 or KX3 or a K3(s) with the DVR option. 

Follow instructions in manual to record the audio and then play it back. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Oct 18, 2019, at 4:52 PM, Todd Ruby <todd at ruby-wine.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hello everyone 
> The other day a DX station recorded my transmission and asked me if I?d like to hear how I sound. I said,?sure?, and then he replayed it on the air for me to hear. 
> 
> My question is how do I do this? My soundcard feeds the audio into my MacBook Pro, and the Pizeo app records it. 
> 
> Question how do I key the rig to transmit the recording?
> 
> tnx in advance 
> 73
> todd
> WB2ZAB 
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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Fri Oct 18 22:23:28 2019
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 22:23:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Radio clocks, internet and security!
In-Reply-To: <7ae559d1-ca88-0bb8-c70e-1fdaf471de0c@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-613125E7622C4AA5B7800946ED6D82BE@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

While relatively few people use Linux as a desktop environment, 
many servers run Linux. Breaking into servers is a big deal for 
the bad guys.

I do generally agree with Don about the modern stuff like Siri 
and Alexa. I go so far as to run a email user agent which 
doesn't interpret HTML. Using only basic text greatly reduces 
the attack surface on my computer. Also, not automatically 
following links in the email improves privacy.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 10/18/19 at 7:54 PM, donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote:

>If connection of the K4 to the internet is to be done, I have 
>concerns about security and personal privacy.  Even Linux is 
>subject to bad stuff from the internet - it is not entirely 
>secure, it is just that the number of users is small compared 
>to other OS versions and hackers just do not bother for most cases.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Bill Frantz        | There are now so many exceptions to the
408-356-8506       | Fourth Amendment that it operates only by
www.pwpconsult.com | accident.  -  William Hugh Murray


From va3mw at portcredit.net  Fri Oct 18 23:14:45 2019
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 23:14:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Transmitting audio file
In-Reply-To: <1CB4190C-5D2B-4E22-BA6F-005CF39725A4@widomaker.com>
References: <BDA89244-167C-4970-97A8-B6FCE4595BDA@ruby-wine.com>
	<1CB4190C-5D2B-4E22-BA6F-005CF39725A4@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <46E930ED-F804-4762-B4A3-C46346633B9B@portcredit.net>

It is also built into all Flex radios. 

Mike

> On Oct 18, 2019, at 10:16 PM, Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
> 
> Easy. If you have a KX2 or KX3 or a K3(s) with the DVR option. 
> 
> Follow instructions in manual to record the audio and then play it back. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On Oct 18, 2019, at 4:52 PM, Todd Ruby <todd at ruby-wine.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hello everyone 
>> The other day a DX station recorded my transmission and asked me if I?d like to hear how I sound. I said,?sure?, and then he replayed it on the air for me to hear. 
>> 
>> My question is how do I do this? My soundcard feeds the audio into my MacBook Pro, and the Pizeo app records it. 
>> 
>> Question how do I key the rig to transmit the recording?
>> 
>> tnx in advance 
>> 73
>> todd
>> WB2ZAB 
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From d.cutter at ntlworld.com  Sat Oct 19 03:29:15 2019
From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (CUTTER DAVID)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 08:29:15 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for volunteer to design a tiny CW
 transceiver for socially isolated kids/teens
In-Reply-To: <c2400224-c329-6d45-a289-00f5049ca296@foothill.net>
References: <CAGzEeC__Cq4cq9ECh3fn+t5vp9=e=+iLk077B_waVGMzaju=jA@mail.gmail.com>
	<c2400224-c329-6d45-a289-00f5049ca296@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <1017270070.4588497.1571470155349@mail2.virginmedia.com>

Wayne was looking for 1mW output.  How does that equate in regard to the regs?

David G3UNA

> On 18 October 2019 at 22:58 Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> If they're unlicensed, they will be intentional radiators subject to 
> 47CFR15 Subpart C [15.201 et seq] which imposes field strength limits 
> that vary with frequency. 15.201(b) may also require certification.? 
> Depending on choice of frequency, 150 mW may be way too high since in 
> the 1.7 - 30 MHz range, the limit is 30 uV/m at 30 m.? I think Wayne has 
> hit on a great idea, it's just going to take some Part 15 engineering.
> 
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
> On 10/17/2019 4:07 PM, Jeff Kabel wrote:
> > 1) Wouldn't it be better to use one of the ISM bands? Then licensing is not
> > a problem. I'd feel uncomfortable giving radios that operate in the ham
> > bands to people without a license. There are bands 6.765-6.795MHz,
> > 13.553-13.567MHz, and 26.957-27.283 close to our 40, 20, and 12/10 meter
> > bands, and a number of bands in the VHF+ range. The 13MHz one is used by
> > the HiFER <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LowFER> experimenters already.
> > There are also the LowFER and MedFER bands.
> >
> > 2) Does the pixie not meet the requirements? They're cheap ($3-5 on eBay),
> > low power (~150mW), and have QSK. The kits you buy don't have a volume
> > control, but that is simple to add.
> >
> >
> > -- Jeff aa6xa
> >

From d.cutter at ntlworld.com  Sat Oct 19 03:36:47 2019
From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (CUTTER DAVID)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 08:36:47 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Tony CW transceiver for socially isolated kids
In-Reply-To: <101cf168-ae0e-8e0a-df66-055f07eb9e78@gmail.com>
References: <rojw2jtghpvaywds4oxb0gft.1571432929591@email.android.com>
	<101cf168-ae0e-8e0a-df66-055f07eb9e78@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1397421871.4588552.1571470607675@mail2.virginmedia.com>

Eric 
I've watched kids use Morse practice oscillators of the simplest kind (we made a kit for <?3 including the key) and they are absolutely taken by it.  I don't think they compare their cell phones with this system at all. We do because we are aware of the technology, but kids see things differently. 
David G3UNA

> On 18 October 2019 at 22:37 EricJ <eric.csuf at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I wonder if kids today are going to be impressed with a commercial radio 
> that lets them talk 100' away. Most of them are packing a cellphone with 
> more power than even NASA envisioned when many of us were that age.? 
> Radio was magic to us. Being able to talk to people in Russia was 
> unbelievable. These kids communicate worldwide almost every day. I think 
> they might be impressed with the simplicity of a more homebrew looking 
> (guts exposed) minimalist rig with an equally simple coded "language".
> 
> Eric KE6US
>

From w6png at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 19 03:36:52 2019
From: w6png at yahoo.com (Paul Gacek)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 08:36:52 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon
In-Reply-To: <62E45500-A988-4FFA-9310-A5F7F97D584A@elecraft.com>
References: <62E45500-A988-4FFA-9310-A5F7F97D584A@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <A887D7BE-965A-4791-8DC9-015A226DD5EA@yahoo.com>

Wayne

Now that Pacificon is underway and for those unable to attend, can you (or anyone!!) share a snap or two of what was displayed in San Ramon?

Paul
W6PNG/M0SNA
www.nomadic.blog

> On Oct 17, 2019, at 11:19 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> One of many K4 features we're putting the finishing touches on is the dual panadapter display, which will make its debut at Pacificon. Please stop by our booth this weekend if you get a chance.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sat Oct 19 05:50:11 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 05:50:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon
In-Reply-To: <32954a4a-848a-48ac-ab55-baf8172f539a@localhost>
References: <32954a4a-848a-48ac-ab55-baf8172f539a@localhost>
Message-ID: <52E80524-E48C-4891-8018-6120DAB7347F@widomaker.com>

If you want accurate time for logging, your still gonna need to keep Windows on time. The logger isn?t going to get time synch from the radio. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Oct 18, 2019, at 6:02 PM, Bill Weaver <weaverwf at usermail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
> The flip side of that is with ntp being around since the stone age and the K4 having that feature implicitly, why not have it dead on? I have to use a 3rd party program to keep windows close which is a joke in the 21st century.  
> 
> 
> 
> 73,
> 
> Bill WE5P
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> On Oct 18, 2019 at 17:50, David Gilbert  <xdavid at cis-broadband.com>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I've never understood the obsession with clocks and clock accuracy on the K3/K3s/K4 series of rigs, yet it keeps popping up here from time to time. I would think that 98+% of the operations with these rigs involves the use of computer logging programs, almost all of which boldly, conspicuously, and accurately display the time and autolog it. I could see the need for it on a KX2 or KX3, but why is it such a big deal on the base stations? Just curious. I'm a long time K3 owner and I never use the internal clock. 73, Dave AB7E On 10/18/2019 1:18 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote:  >  Chuck,  >  Do you mean a 24 hour clock? I too would like this.  >   >  73 Doug EI2CN ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htm!
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From turnbull at net1.ie  Sat Oct 19 07:20:05 2019
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 11:20:05 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon
In-Reply-To: <fff7b553-2de0-4e78-a6f5-eb3fdc5e879d@localhost>
References: <62E45500-A988-4FFA-9310-A5F7F97D584A@elecraft.com><A81AF75E-D340-4E1F-BB06-EA78E75B27BD@illinois.edu><BBE16B1963154D4B96E13B88582542A6@DougTPC><32954a4a-848a-48ac-ab55-baf8172f539a@localhost>
	<fff7b553-2de0-4e78-a6f5-eb3fdc5e879d@localhost>
Message-ID: <0F6EDF6326E9493B9399D9B867CAE433@DougTPC>

The internal clock in the K3 was just not good enough without resetting
regularly for even recording log times for CW QSOs on yes, believe it or not
paper.

          73 Doug EI2CN

PS I am not looking for FT8 clock accuracy though that would be nice.

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Weaver
Sent: 18 October 2019 23:46
To: David Gilbert; elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon

 
 
I agree about it's utility :-).
 

 
73,
 
Bill WE5P
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
>  
> On Oct 18, 2019 at 18:31, David Gilbert  <xdavid at cis-broadband.com>
wrote:
>  
>  
>  Yeah, I understand that. If you're going to have a clock it might as well
be accurate. I just don't understand why anyone cares about the clock to
start with. At least not unless or until Elecraft enables some embedded app
in the K4 that needs it. I doubt anyone needs +/- a couple seconds accuracy
for anything that would involve manually transcribing the time from the rig.
Agree about Windows. When I power on my Win10 laptop that I use for FT8 the
damn thing is about 2.5 seconds off until Meinberg decides to step in and
fix things. Pretty sad. 73, Dave AB7E On 10/18/2019 2:59 PM, Bill Weaver
wrote:  >  The flip side of that is with ntp being around since the stone
age and  >  the K4 having that feature implicitly, why not have it dead on?
I have  >  to use a 3rd party program to keep windows close which is a joke
in  >  the 21st century.  >   >  73,  >  Bill WE5P  >   >   >>  On Oct 18,
2019 at 17:50, David Gilbert  >   >  wrote:  >>   >>  I've never understood
the obsess!
 ion with 
clocks and clock accuracy on  >>  the K3/K3s/K4 series of rigs, yet it keeps
popping up here from time to  >>  time. I would think that 98+% of the
operations with these rigs  >>  involves the use of computer logging
programs, almost all of which  >>  boldly, conspicuously, and accurately
display the time and autolog it.  >>  I could see the need for it on a KX2
or KX3, but why is it such a big  >>  deal on the base stations?  >>   >>
Just curious. I'm a long time K3 owner and I never use the internal clock.
>>   >>  73,  >>  Dave AB7E  >>   >>   >>  On 10/18/2019 1:18 PM, Doug
Turnbull wrote:  >>   >  Chuck,  >>   >  Do you mean a 24 hour clock? I too
would like this.  >>   >   >>   >  73 Doug EI2CN  >>   >>
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From forums at david-woolley.me.uk  Sat Oct 19 07:37:19 2019
From: forums at david-woolley.me.uk (David Woolley)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 12:37:19 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon
In-Reply-To: <0b88ff8d-2165-af2f-e93c-0b80d323c9d9@cis-broadband.com>
References: <62E45500-A988-4FFA-9310-A5F7F97D584A@elecraft.com>
	<A81AF75E-D340-4E1F-BB06-EA78E75B27BD@illinois.edu>
	<BBE16B1963154D4B96E13B88582542A6@DougTPC>
	<32954a4a-848a-48ac-ab55-baf8172f539a@localhost>
	<0b88ff8d-2165-af2f-e93c-0b80d323c9d9@cis-broadband.com>
Message-ID: <7f3aa1cf-27d0-45ab-64b5-1af3ed037876@david-woolley.me.uk>

There is something wrong if you have to re-run a Windows installer every 
time that you boot Windows!  The Meinberg product is just an installer; 
the actual software installed is the open source NTP reference 
implementation, currently owned by the University of Delaware, and 
developed under the leadership of David Mills W3HCF.

The reference version means the version used to verify the 
implementability of the specification in the RFC document.

-- 
David Woolley
Owner K2 06123



On 18/10/2019 23:31, David Gilbert wrote:
> Agree about Windows.? When I power on my Win10 laptop that I use for FT8 
> the damn thing is about 2.5 seconds off until Meinberg decides to step 
> in and fix things.? Pretty sad.
> 



From tommy58 at hvc.rr.com  Sat Oct 19 08:00:41 2019
From: tommy58 at hvc.rr.com (Tommy)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 08:00:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Radio clocks, internet and security!
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR18MB2306FA4C0F093A2B3E9547699C6F0@BL0PR18MB2306.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
References: <62E45500-A988-4FFA-9310-A5F7F97D584A@elecraft.com>
	<A81AF75E-D340-4E1F-BB06-EA78E75B27BD@illinois.edu>
	<7ae559d1-ca88-0bb8-c70e-1fdaf471de0c@embarqmail.com>
	<BL0PR18MB2306FA4C0F093A2B3E9547699C6F0@BL0PR18MB2306.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <faf8d245-9227-e5de-94ef-810d1d28805d@hvc.rr.com>

 ? I too agree with Don 100%! I also wouldn't buy a so called "smart" 
TV. And I'll trust my Linux machine far more than any Windows or Mac. 
Even Chromebooks (they are Linux based) are more secure than Windows and 
Macs. And "smart phones" are too smart for their own good too. I just 
bought my first one earlier this year. I like the internet but don't 
need to be connected to it every second of the day.

73! de Tom - KB2SMS


On 10/18/19 8:59 PM, Bill Johnson wrote:
> Don,
> Plus you actually get exercise when you walk to your devices rather than rely on some software that does in fact invade your privacy. I am with you on this 100%.
>
> 72 & 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ
> FT?er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
> Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 6:55 PM
> To: hawley, charles j jr <c-hawley at illinois.edu>; Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>; Elecraft-K4 at groups.io
> Subject: [Elecraft] Radio clocks, internet and security!
>
> Chuck and all,
>
> How many actually use the clock in the K3, K3S, KX3 or KX2?
> I certainly don't.  In the case of the KX3 it is used to time the charging of the internal batteries - good use.
>
> I can see a ham without a watch or cell phone to want the rig to display the time for logging, but for me, my good old Timex on my wrist tells me what time to log.  The clock in my KX3 is more difficult to access than simply glancing at my wrist!
>
> I have never even set the clock in my K3 or KX3!  Nor do I feel a need to do so.
>
> As far as the K4 Linux software/firmware being internet connected, I have my reservations about that.  I have enough stuff connected to the internet, and someone will have to demonstrate the benefit of my ham radio being connected to the internet in addition to my computers.
>
> If connection of the K4 to the internet is to be done, I have concerns about security and personal privacy.  Even Linux is subject to bad stuff from the internet - it is not entirely secure, it is just that the number of users is small compared to other OS versions and hackers just do not bother for most cases.
>
> When my refrigerator or microwave begins to listen in to my conversations, I begin to worry about the BIG Brother consequences.
>
> BTW, I do not have an Alexa or Siri device for those security reasons.
> I can easily use a switch on the wall to operate a light switch and it is secure. I can turn on my home theater or my computer AV application when I want to hear music or view videos.
>
> Call me old-fashioned, but I like to have control of my environment.
> The Internet Of Things seems to be fraught with exposures and dangers that I am not willing to accept.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 10/18/2019 2:03 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
>> Is a more accurate clock possible? I imagine that depends on available chips but it?s a common topic.
>>
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From tbry441 at myfairpoint.net  Sat Oct 19 08:43:28 2019
From: tbry441 at myfairpoint.net (Thaire Bryant)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 08:43:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Group.io. Elecraft-KX
Message-ID: <19B8690A-E278-4B2C-BE67-0FAD6FD94200@myfairpoint.net>

How does one join this group?

Thanks!
Thaire. W2APF

From nv4c.ian at gmail.com  Sat Oct 19 09:06:16 2019
From: nv4c.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 09:06:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Group.io. Elecraft-KX
In-Reply-To: <19B8690A-E278-4B2C-BE67-0FAD6FD94200@myfairpoint.net>
References: <19B8690A-E278-4B2C-BE67-0FAD6FD94200@myfairpoint.net>
Message-ID: <CAN1Md6F1_BJ81w3T4=ABw4njpf_5OW8-K1x8geDiwaAbpEbi8Q@mail.gmail.com>

Thaire,

Go to groups.io. Search for "KX". Select the group that is the Elecraft KX
group (there are a couple of "KX" groups. Click the link/button to ask to
join the group. It's that easy. I did it last night and was approved and
joined within a couple of hours.

73 de,

Ian, NV4C

On Sat, Oct 19, 2019, 8:43 AM Thaire Bryant <tbry441 at myfairpoint.net> wrote:

> How does one join this group?
>
> Thanks!
> Thaire. W2APF
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From billamader at gmail.com  Sat Oct 19 09:31:04 2019
From: billamader at gmail.com (K8TE)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 06:31:04 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon
In-Reply-To: <A887D7BE-965A-4791-8DC9-015A226DD5EA@yahoo.com>
References: <62E45500-A988-4FFA-9310-A5F7F97D584A@elecraft.com>
	<A887D7BE-965A-4791-8DC9-015A226DD5EA@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1571491864244-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

I saw the dual panadatpors yesterday--very, very cool!

I'll try to snap some pictures today.  BTW, my phone is connected to the
Internet, although the connection via Verizon is almost useless here in San
Ramon!  It does take pictures and provides a very accurate time.  I operate
my K3 and KX3 away from home a lot, frequently out of reach of the Internet. 
Accurate time is sometimes valuable to me.

I brought extra cash with me to entice anyone at the Elecraft booth for an
early K4 delivery.  It hasn't worked yet. I need a lower serial number than
my old friend Peter, N5YJ, formerly K5HAB. 

I did get Wayne and Eric to autograph the bottom cover of my K2 kit.  I'll
begin the kit's inventory soon and even assembly later this year.  I'm
hoping my K4 arrives before I finish the K2 since the latter's progress will
likely be very slow.

73, Bill, K8TE



--
Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/

From billamader at gmail.com  Sat Oct 19 09:51:48 2019
From: billamader at gmail.com (K8TE)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 06:51:48 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Tony CW transceiver for socially isolated kids
In-Reply-To: <101cf168-ae0e-8e0a-df66-055f07eb9e78@gmail.com>
References: <rojw2jtghpvaywds4oxb0gft.1571432929591@email.android.com>
	<101cf168-ae0e-8e0a-df66-055f07eb9e78@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1571493108452-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

While getting somethings on my shopping list at Wired Communications
yesterday, I found a $5.00 40m transmitter kit.  It is a through-hole kit
with a pair of transistors and a crystal on 7023.  The card on the box
indicated it runs 150 mW, reminding me of a similar transmitter I built with
two transistors for 80m.  This kit with similarly inexpensive receiver could
fill the bill as Wayne describes it.

Yes, kids, with the right Elmers, get a kick out of this kind of thing.  No,
I'm not writing about my experiences in the 1960's, but those with Scouts
and other kids in the last ten years.  I watched Eric spend a lot of time
yesterday demonstrating the K4 to what looked to me to be a 13-year-old who
is already licensed, probably thanks to his dad who also has a ticket.

The typical grumpy old ham who operates 75m each morning and evening (let
the flames begin) is not the one who will spark enthusiasm in anyone, but
especially kids, for ham radio.  Heck!  They're the same ones who ignore
visitors to their own club meetings.

We need ideas like Wayne's, but more importantly, enthusiastic, active,
engaged hams who are willing to share their time and love of our avocation
with others.  Most new hams today are middle-aged and come to us via EMCOMM. 
We need to share the mystery and excitement of HF with them and not belittle
them for purchasing their cheap HT?s but help program them and invite them
to visit our shacks to work some DX and enter a QSO party.

Time for a shower and maybe breakfast before the day begins at Pacificon. 
It looked busy yesterday and will likely be busier today.  Monday, we'll
stop by Watsonville to deliver a damaged KPA500 and K3 from my RV trip to
and from Dayton earlier this year.  Then, I'll get ready for next weekend's
CQ WW DX SSB Contest with a friend in Gallup NM.

Get active.  Get engaged.  Get on-the-air!  73, Bill, K8TE




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From rcrgs at verizon.net  Sat Oct 19 13:40:51 2019
From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 17:40:51 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Radio clocks, internet and security!
In-Reply-To: <2707D30B-83B1-4BE2-9D80-7D199065D07D@wunderwood.org>
References: <62E45500-A988-4FFA-9310-A5F7F97D584A@elecraft.com>
	<A81AF75E-D340-4E1F-BB06-EA78E75B27BD@illinois.edu>
	<7ae559d1-ca88-0bb8-c70e-1fdaf471de0c@embarqmail.com>
	<2707D30B-83B1-4BE2-9D80-7D199065D07D@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <2c953a0d-13e6-5332-203d-995536b8cb0f@verizon.net>

I follow those who counsel and implement "caution" with all the 
modern/current internet connections and digital wonders. Just because 
something is possible doesn't mean it's wise. I have had one - yes, one 
- virus infection in 34 years of being online with minimal firewall and 
virus protection. I attribute this to strict caution in opening, 
responding, and searching internet content of any and all kinds. There's 
a Supreme Court maxim about not taking any and all cases that I think 
applies here: "Resist the entering wedge."

...robert
    KE2WY

On 10/19/2019 00:08, Walter Underwood wrote:
> A zillion years ago, I was maintaining some ???groupware??? for engineers at HP (Notesfiles). I was amazed to learn that some people used a different set of commands than I did. They found some bugs in those clearly superfluous commands. Despite their obviously mistaken approach to using the software, I fixed the bugs. :-)
>
> So, be open to different uses of a product. Me, I keep Pacific time on my watch and UTC on my KX3. I log my SOTA activations in UTC. I reset the KX3 clock before each activation.
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>
>> On Oct 18, 2019, at 4:54 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Chuck and all,
>>
>> How many actually use the clock in the K3, K3S, KX3 or KX2?
>> I certainly don't.  In the case of the KX3 it is used to time the charging of the internal batteries - good use.
>>
>> I can see a ham without a watch or cell phone to want the rig to display the time for logging, but for me, my good old Timex on my wrist tells me what time to log.  The clock in my KX3 is more difficult to access than simply glancing at my wrist!
>>
>> I have never even set the clock in my K3 or KX3!  Nor do I feel a need to do so.
>>
>> As far as the K4 Linux software/firmware being internet connected, I have my reservations about that.  I have enough stuff connected to the internet, and someone will have to demonstrate the benefit of my ham radio being connected to the internet in addition to my computers.
>>
>> If connection of the K4 to the internet is to be done, I have concerns about security and personal privacy.  Even Linux is subject to bad stuff from the internet - it is not entirely secure, it is just that the number of users is small compared to other OS versions and hackers just do not bother for most cases.
>>
>> When my refrigerator or microwave begins to listen in to my conversations, I begin to worry about the BIG Brother consequences.
>>
>> BTW, I do not have an Alexa or Siri device for those security reasons. I can easily use a switch on the wall to operate a light switch and it is secure. I can turn on my home theater or my computer AV application when I want to hear music or view videos.
>>
>> Call me old-fashioned, but I like to have control of my environment. The Internet Of Things seems to be fraught with exposures and dangers that I am not willing to accept.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 10/18/2019 2:03 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
>>> Is a more accurate clock possible? I imagine that depends on available chips but it???s a common topic.
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From xdavid at cis-broadband.com  Sat Oct 19 13:42:09 2019
From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 10:42:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon
In-Reply-To: <7f3aa1cf-27d0-45ab-64b5-1af3ed037876@david-woolley.me.uk>
References: <62E45500-A988-4FFA-9310-A5F7F97D584A@elecraft.com>
	<A81AF75E-D340-4E1F-BB06-EA78E75B27BD@illinois.edu>
	<BBE16B1963154D4B96E13B88582542A6@DougTPC>
	<32954a4a-848a-48ac-ab55-baf8172f539a@localhost>
	<0b88ff8d-2165-af2f-e93c-0b80d323c9d9@cis-broadband.com>
	<7f3aa1cf-27d0-45ab-64b5-1af3ed037876@david-woolley.me.uk>
Message-ID: <b575cf72-9168-6cfd-2b21-2b025eacf2b2@cis-broadband.com>


I don't have to rerun Meinberg.? It does everything by itself.? For some 
reason it just doesn't seem to do it on startup ... it takes a few 
minutes before it kicks in.? So far I haven't figured out why.

73,
Dave?? AB7E


On 10/19/2019 4:37 AM, David Woolley wrote:
> There is something wrong if you have to re-run a Windows installer 
> every time that you boot Windows!? The Meinberg product is just an 
> installer; the actual software installed is the open source NTP 
> reference implementation, currently owned by the University of 
> Delaware, and developed under the leadership of David Mills W3HCF.
>
> The reference version means the version used to verify the 
> implementability of the specification in the RFC document.
>


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Oct 19 14:12:58 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 11:12:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for volunteer to design a tiny CW
 transceiver for socially isolated kids/teens
In-Reply-To: <1017270070.4588497.1571470155349@mail2.virginmedia.com>
References: <CAGzEeC__Cq4cq9ECh3fn+t5vp9=e=+iLk077B_waVGMzaju=jA@mail.gmail.com>
	<c2400224-c329-6d45-a289-00f5049ca296@foothill.net>
	<1017270070.4588497.1571470155349@mail2.virginmedia.com>
Message-ID: <e3398f8f-bce1-6fb0-64fc-e97171c10b8b@foothill.net>

It depends on a number of factors.? Here in the Colonies, our beloved 
version of OFCOM has defined three types of unlicensed radiators:? 
Incidental, Unintentional, and Intentional.? Incidental are those that 
make RF as part of their operation but don't need to and it serves no 
purpose in their operation.? Basically noisemakers like PWM motor 
controls or arcing HV lines.? Unintentional are those that create RF as 
part of their operation but do not intend or need to radiate it. 
Computers are probably the best example, a one-tube regenerative RX is 
another.? Intentional are those that make and radiate RF as an integral 
part of their operation.? Remote sensing thermometers and weather 
stations are a good example ... so is Wayne's 1 mw TX.? They are all 
regulated by Part 15 of the FCC's regulations. 2.4 and 5.6 GHz Wi-Fi and 
Bluetooth devices are all covered by Part 15.? There are also duty cycle 
limits in some regions of the spectrum.

A big factor is the antenna, and one requirement of Part 15 is that the 
user be unable to modify it.? That's why I used the term "Part 15 
Engineering," one will have to test and certify that the device meets 
the Part 15 requirements including the field strength.? 150 mW on 6 MHz 
with a 0 dBi antenna will produce a field strength of about 0.07 V/m at 
30 m which is way over the limit.? 1 mW will be about 0.006 V/m or so.? 
A very limited antenna with something like -15 to -20 dBi "gain" would 
probably bring the field strength down sufficiently, provided the user 
can't get to it to modify it.

I'd consider randomizing the TX frequencies within a very small [~5-10 
kHz?] "band" [like padding the xtals] and making the RX tuneable over 
that band so a group could have individual "conversations" such as at a 
Scout meeting or in a classroom.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 10/19/2019 12:29 AM, CUTTER DAVID wrote:
> Wayne was looking for 1mW output.  How does that equate in regard to the regs?
>
> David G3UNA
>
>> On 18 October 2019 at 22:58 Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> If they're unlicensed, they will be intentional radiators subject to
>> 47CFR15 Subpart C [15.201 et seq] which imposes field strength limits
>> that vary with frequency. 15.201(b) may also require certification.
>> Depending on choice of frequency, 150 mW may be way too high since in
>> the 1.7 - 30 MHz range, the limit is 30 uV/m at 30 m.? I think Wayne has
>> hit on a great idea, it's just going to take some Part 15 engineering.
>>
>> 73,
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>>
>>


From scott.small at gmail.com  Sat Oct 19 15:19:30 2019
From: scott.small at gmail.com (Tox)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 12:19:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon
In-Reply-To: <b575cf72-9168-6cfd-2b21-2b025eacf2b2@cis-broadband.com>
References: <62E45500-A988-4FFA-9310-A5F7F97D584A@elecraft.com>
	<A81AF75E-D340-4E1F-BB06-EA78E75B27BD@illinois.edu>
	<BBE16B1963154D4B96E13B88582542A6@DougTPC>
	<32954a4a-848a-48ac-ab55-baf8172f539a@localhost>
	<0b88ff8d-2165-af2f-e93c-0b80d323c9d9@cis-broadband.com>
	<7f3aa1cf-27d0-45ab-64b5-1af3ed037876@david-woolley.me.uk>
	<b575cf72-9168-6cfd-2b21-2b025eacf2b2@cis-broadband.com>
Message-ID: <CADkB6Uom0nniPhr_4SgQ555pALHVPLhF8-7OaCz=OkLut5Y-yQ@mail.gmail.com>

Typical NTP implementations only query every N minutes. Might check to see
if your implementation also checks at startup, but if you're just
suspend/waking a windows laptop it may not be triggering that sort of
event, and just waiting for next scheduled update.

Good luck

Scott
AD6YT

On Sat, Oct 19, 2019, 10:43 AM David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com>
wrote:

>
> I don't have to rerun Meinberg.  It does everything by itself.  For some
> reason it just doesn't seem to do it on startup ... it takes a few
> minutes before it kicks in.  So far I haven't figured out why.
>
> 73,
> Dave   AB7E
>
>
> On 10/19/2019 4:37 AM, David Woolley wrote:
> > There is something wrong if you have to re-run a Windows installer
> > every time that you boot Windows!  The Meinberg product is just an
> > installer; the actual software installed is the open source NTP
> > reference implementation, currently owned by the University of
> > Delaware, and developed under the leadership of David Mills W3HCF.
> >
> > The reference version means the version used to verify the
> > implementability of the specification in the RFC document.
> >
>
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Oct 19 15:32:59 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 14:32:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon
In-Reply-To: <CADkB6Uom0nniPhr_4SgQ555pALHVPLhF8-7OaCz=OkLut5Y-yQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <62E45500-A988-4FFA-9310-A5F7F97D584A@elecraft.com>
	<A81AF75E-D340-4E1F-BB06-EA78E75B27BD@illinois.edu>
	<BBE16B1963154D4B96E13B88582542A6@DougTPC>
	<32954a4a-848a-48ac-ab55-baf8172f539a@localhost>
	<0b88ff8d-2165-af2f-e93c-0b80d323c9d9@cis-broadband.com>
	<7f3aa1cf-27d0-45ab-64b5-1af3ed037876@david-woolley.me.uk>
	<b575cf72-9168-6cfd-2b21-2b025eacf2b2@cis-broadband.com>
	<CADkB6Uom0nniPhr_4SgQ555pALHVPLhF8-7OaCz=OkLut5Y-yQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2EDCAFA0-AAE4-45B1-A3F4-6457760A085F@blomand.net>

For logging purposes +/- a few seconds is relatively unimportant.  For timed or sequence transmissions 0.5 seconds seems adequate.  I see on reason to maintain microsecond timing. 

Remember, it's only a hobby. 

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2019, at 2:19 PM, Tox <scott.small at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Typical NTP implementations only query every N minutes. Might check to see
> if your implementation also checks at startup, but if you're just
> suspend/waking a windows laptop it may not be triggering that sort of
> event, and just waiting for next scheduled update.
> 
> Good luck
> 
> Scott
> AD6YT
> 
> On Sat, Oct 19, 2019, 10:43 AM David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I don't have to rerun Meinberg.  It does everything by itself.  For some
>> reason it just doesn't seem to do it on startup ... it takes a few
>> minutes before it kicks in.  So far I haven't figured out why.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Dave   AB7E
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/19/2019 4:37 AM, David Woolley wrote:
>>> There is something wrong if you have to re-run a Windows installer
>>> every time that you boot Windows!  The Meinberg product is just an
>>> installer; the actual software installed is the open source NTP
>>> reference implementation, currently owned by the University of
>>> Delaware, and developed under the leadership of David Mills W3HCF.
>>> 
>>> The reference version means the version used to verify the
>>> implementability of the specification in the RFC document.
>>> 
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From xdavid at cis-broadband.com  Sat Oct 19 15:57:39 2019
From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 12:57:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Clock Accuracy
In-Reply-To: <2EDCAFA0-AAE4-45B1-A3F4-6457760A085F@blomand.net>
References: <62E45500-A988-4FFA-9310-A5F7F97D584A@elecraft.com>
	<A81AF75E-D340-4E1F-BB06-EA78E75B27BD@illinois.edu>
	<BBE16B1963154D4B96E13B88582542A6@DougTPC>
	<32954a4a-848a-48ac-ab55-baf8172f539a@localhost>
	<0b88ff8d-2165-af2f-e93c-0b80d323c9d9@cis-broadband.com>
	<7f3aa1cf-27d0-45ab-64b5-1af3ed037876@david-woolley.me.uk>
	<b575cf72-9168-6cfd-2b21-2b025eacf2b2@cis-broadband.com>
	<CADkB6Uom0nniPhr_4SgQ555pALHVPLhF8-7OaCz=OkLut5Y-yQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2EDCAFA0-AAE4-45B1-A3F4-6457760A085F@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <6f705912-1207-3795-2436-55548c8e2690@cis-broadband.com>


My laptop, which I use for FT8, fires up about 2.5 seconds off. That's 
unusable for FT8, which is why I use Meinberg NTP to sync it.? I 
couldn't care less if it was 2 minutes off for logging (even for 
contesting), but for FT8 it should be, as you say, 0.5 seconds or better 
for best results.? Meinberg (which is free) puts me within one or two 
tenths of a second of everyone else.

Dave?? AB7E


On 10/19/2019 12:32 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> For logging purposes +/- a few seconds is relatively unimportant.  For timed or sequence transmissions 0.5 seconds seems adequate.  I see on reason to maintain microsecond timing.
>
> Remember, it's only a hobby.
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 19, 2019, at 2:19 PM, Tox <scott.small at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Typical NTP implementations only query every N minutes. Might check to see
>> if your implementation also checks at startup, but if you're just
>> suspend/waking a windows laptop it may not be triggering that sort of
>> event, and just waiting for next scheduled update.
>>
>> Good luck
>>
>> Scott
>> AD6YT
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 19, 2019, 10:43 AM David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't have to rerun Meinberg.  It does everything by itself.  For some
>>> reason it just doesn't seem to do it on startup ... it takes a few
>>> minutes before it kicks in.  So far I haven't figured out why.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Dave   AB7E
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 10/19/2019 4:37 AM, David Woolley wrote:
>>>> There is something wrong if you have to re-run a Windows installer
>>>> every time that you boot Windows!  The Meinberg product is just an
>>>> installer; the actual software installed is the open source NTP
>>>> reference implementation, currently owned by the University of
>>>> Delaware, and developed under the leadership of David Mills W3HCF.
>>>>
>>>> The reference version means the version used to verify the
>>>> implementability of the specification in the RFC document.
>>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>>
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>
>


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Oct 19 16:23:46 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 13:23:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Clock Accuracy
In-Reply-To: <6f705912-1207-3795-2436-55548c8e2690@cis-broadband.com>
References: <62E45500-A988-4FFA-9310-A5F7F97D584A@elecraft.com>
	<A81AF75E-D340-4E1F-BB06-EA78E75B27BD@illinois.edu>
	<BBE16B1963154D4B96E13B88582542A6@DougTPC>
	<32954a4a-848a-48ac-ab55-baf8172f539a@localhost>
	<0b88ff8d-2165-af2f-e93c-0b80d323c9d9@cis-broadband.com>
	<7f3aa1cf-27d0-45ab-64b5-1af3ed037876@david-woolley.me.uk>
	<b575cf72-9168-6cfd-2b21-2b025eacf2b2@cis-broadband.com>
	<CADkB6Uom0nniPhr_4SgQ555pALHVPLhF8-7OaCz=OkLut5Y-yQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2EDCAFA0-AAE4-45B1-A3F4-6457760A085F@blomand.net>
	<6f705912-1207-3795-2436-55548c8e2690@cis-broadband.com>
Message-ID: <63d91118-297a-1ce6-f900-590273a73813@audiosystemsgroup.com>

Clock stability will depend on a lot of things, including temperature 
and the quality of the clock circuitry. Over the years, the clocks in my 
Thinkpads have tended to be pretty stable. The $20 Casio on my wrist has 
drifted about 30 seconds in the two years I've worn it.

Since first using JT65 6-8 years ago, I've used 
http://www.timesynctool.com/  with the same result. I found it far 
easier to install than Meinberg (which I tried to install to be able to 
incorporate data from a USB GPS puck when expeditioning out of range of 
internet). Instead, I settled on BktTimeSync for that purpose.

73, Jim K9YC

On 10/19/2019 12:57 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
> My laptop, which I use for FT8, fires up about 2.5 seconds off. That's 
> unusable for FT8, which is why I use Meinberg NTP to sync it.? I 
> couldn't care less if it was 2 minutes off for logging (even for 
> contesting), but for FT8 it should be, as you say, 0.5 seconds or better 
> for best results.? Meinberg (which is free) puts me within one or two 
> tenths of a second of everyone else.


From mails at qrp4fun.de  Sat Oct 19 16:31:34 2019
From: mails at qrp4fun.de (Ingo Meyer, DK3RED)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 22:31:34 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3] Waterfall
In-Reply-To: <186368592.2581578.1571496823296@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <9454ba2b-b7ef-a9d0-367c-163759e8e453@qrp4fun.de>
	<186368592.2581578.1571496823296@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1c27ce8b-869c-06cc-4fb2-1072248a9b67@qrp4fun.de>

Hello Mike,


 > I too intend to buy the PX3. Did NOT see answer to your question.
 > I would be interested IF you got a direct reply with ANSWERS?

There was only one answer direct and no one via the mailing list.

 > Ingo, your can adjust the height to only about 1/2 the size of the window.
 > There is a menu selection for it called Waterfall Height.

This statement surprises me, because the manual says for the menue "Waterfall" the default 
is "100" to change the height of the waterfall window when the display is in waterfall mode.

Does that mean 100% of the half display height?

And there was no answer to my second question:

 > If the waterfall is increased to 100% height (if possible), how long does it
 > take for a signal on the waterfall to reach the bottom from the top?


73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sat Oct 19 16:48:58 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 16:48:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3] Waterfall
In-Reply-To: <1c27ce8b-869c-06cc-4fb2-1072248a9b67@qrp4fun.de>
References: <9454ba2b-b7ef-a9d0-367c-163759e8e453@qrp4fun.de>
	<186368592.2581578.1571496823296@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1c27ce8b-869c-06cc-4fb2-1072248a9b67@qrp4fun.de>
Message-ID: <79B3899F-E91A-464C-A07B-D4E884E57257@gmail.com>

The waterfall height range adjustment is from 20-139, with 100 as the default.  With height set to 139, slightly more than 1/2 the display is waterfall ? maybe 60%

At that height it takes about 10-11 seconds for a signal to move to the bottom of the display

Grant NQ5T

> On Oct 19, 2019, at 4:31 PM, Ingo Meyer, DK3RED <mails at qrp4fun.de> wrote:
> 
> Hello Mike,
> 
> 
> > I too intend to buy the PX3. Did NOT see answer to your question.
> > I would be interested IF you got a direct reply with ANSWERS?
> 
> There was only one answer direct and no one via the mailing list.
> 
> > Ingo, your can adjust the height to only about 1/2 the size of the window.
> > There is a menu selection for it called Waterfall Height.
> 
> This statement surprises me, because the manual says for the menue "Waterfall" the default is "100" to change the height of the waterfall window when the display is in waterfall mode.
> 
> Does that mean 100% of the half display height?
> 
> And there was no answer to my second question:
> 
> > If the waterfall is increased to 100% height (if possible), how long does it
> > take for a signal on the waterfall to reach the bottom from the top?
> 
> 


From ardrhi at gmail.com  Sat Oct 19 17:09:13 2019
From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 17:09:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Clock Accuracy
In-Reply-To: <63d91118-297a-1ce6-f900-590273a73813@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <62E45500-A988-4FFA-9310-A5F7F97D584A@elecraft.com>
	<A81AF75E-D340-4E1F-BB06-EA78E75B27BD@illinois.edu>
	<BBE16B1963154D4B96E13B88582542A6@DougTPC>
	<32954a4a-848a-48ac-ab55-baf8172f539a@localhost>
	<0b88ff8d-2165-af2f-e93c-0b80d323c9d9@cis-broadband.com>
	<7f3aa1cf-27d0-45ab-64b5-1af3ed037876@david-woolley.me.uk>
	<b575cf72-9168-6cfd-2b21-2b025eacf2b2@cis-broadband.com>
	<CADkB6Uom0nniPhr_4SgQ555pALHVPLhF8-7OaCz=OkLut5Y-yQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2EDCAFA0-AAE4-45B1-A3F4-6457760A085F@blomand.net>
	<6f705912-1207-3795-2436-55548c8e2690@cis-broadband.com>
	<63d91118-297a-1ce6-f900-590273a73813@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <CA+nQa2NHhFpuiouMFpwD1BysAmZAxHVbupR5Afdn=AXHfdfymQ@mail.gmail.com>

I use the same tool as Jim Brown. Nettime (from timesynctool.com) works
really well, and can be polled anytime to make sure the time is as close as
possible.

Gwen, NG3P

On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 4:24 PM Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:

> Clock stability will depend on a lot of things, including temperature
> and the quality of the clock circuitry. Over the years, the clocks in my
> Thinkpads have tended to be pretty stable. The $20 Casio on my wrist has
> drifted about 30 seconds in the two years I've worn it.
>
> Since first using JT65 6-8 years ago, I've used
> http://www.timesynctool.com/  with the same result. I found it far
> easier to install than Meinberg (which I tried to install to be able to
> incorporate data from a USB GPS puck when expeditioning out of range of
> internet). Instead, I settled on BktTimeSync for that purpose.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
> On 10/19/2019 12:57 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
> > My laptop, which I use for FT8, fires up about 2.5 seconds off. That's
> > unusable for FT8, which is why I use Meinberg NTP to sync it.  I
> > couldn't care less if it was 2 minutes off for logging (even for
> > contesting), but for FT8 it should be, as you say, 0.5 seconds or better
> > for best results.  Meinberg (which is free) puts me within one or two
> > tenths of a second of everyone else.
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
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From mails at qrp4fun.de  Sat Oct 19 18:10:17 2019
From: mails at qrp4fun.de (Ingo Meyer, DK3RED)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 00:10:17 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3] Waterfall
In-Reply-To: <79B3899F-E91A-464C-A07B-D4E884E57257@gmail.com>
References: <9454ba2b-b7ef-a9d0-367c-163759e8e453@qrp4fun.de>
	<186368592.2581578.1571496823296@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1c27ce8b-869c-06cc-4fb2-1072248a9b67@qrp4fun.de>
	<79B3899F-E91A-464C-A07B-D4E884E57257@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70f72786-3af7-ba9a-3384-a970aac62114@qrp4fun.de>

Hello Grant,


> The waterfall height range adjustment is from 20-139, with 100 as the default.  With height set to 139, slightly more than 1/2 the display is waterfall ? maybe 60%
> 
> At that height it takes about 10-11 seconds for a signal to move to the bottom of the display

Thank you for the detailed information.


73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de


From dxdx at optonline.net  Sat Oct 19 20:19:46 2019
From: dxdx at optonline.net (Tony)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 20:19:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 PA Temperature Limit
In-Reply-To: <BA4206FF-1D51-4AF5-894A-3428F0B613B1@w2xj.net>
References: <05db01d58126$aa748140$ff5d83c0$@ka7ftp.com>
	<BA4206FF-1D51-4AF5-894A-3428F0B613B1@w2xj.net>
Message-ID: <a309c12e-22aa-d6ae-fa16-f4c00810b584@optonline.net>

All:

Anyone know what the recommended maximum operating PA temperature is for 
the KX3? Or for that matter, the KX2?

73, Tony


From john at kk9a.com  Sat Oct 19 22:29:48 2019
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 21:29:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Clock Accuracy
Message-ID: <20191019212948.Horde.cDh6eNbAd9x2oYs2CQV0182@www11.qth.com>

I cannot imagine starting a contest two minutes before everyone else  
or ending it two minutes later.

John KK9A - W4AAA



David Gilbert AB7E wrote:


My laptop, which I use for FT8, fires up about 2.5 seconds off. That's
unusable for FT8, which is why I use Meinberg NTP to sync it.  I
couldn't care less if it was 2 minutes off for logging (even for
contesting), but for FT8 it should be, as you say, 0.5 seconds or better
for best results.  Meinberg (which is free) puts me within one or two
tenths of a second of everyone else.

Dave   AB7E


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Oct 19 22:42:36 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 21:42:36 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Clock Accuracy
In-Reply-To: <20191019212948.Horde.cDh6eNbAd9x2oYs2CQV0182@www11.qth.com>
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And you believe everyone else follows all the rules?   Two minutes early and stop 2 minutes early and 3KW PEP.  Get your head out of the sand.  There is no honor among thieves. 

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2019, at 9:29 PM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
> 
> I cannot imagine starting a contest two minutes before everyone else or ending it two minutes later.
> 
> John KK9A - W4AAA
> 
> 
> 
> David Gilbert AB7E wrote:
> 
> 
> My laptop, which I use for FT8, fires up about 2.5 seconds off. That's
> unusable for FT8, which is why I use Meinberg NTP to sync it.  I
> couldn't care less if it was 2 minutes off for logging (even for
> contesting), but for FT8 it should be, as you say, 0.5 seconds or better
> for best results.  Meinberg (which is free) puts me within one or two
> tenths of a second of everyone else.
> 
> Dave   AB7E
> 
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From esteptony at gmail.com  Sat Oct 19 23:31:52 2019
From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 22:31:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Clock Accuracy
In-Reply-To: <20191019212948.Horde.cDh6eNbAd9x2oYs2CQV0182@www11.qth.com>
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I don't know Meinberg, but I use Dimension 4. It starts when my computer
boots. From pressing the On switch to full operation is about 1 minute, and
the computer time is set within 0.1 second. Anybody can do the same, no
problem.

Tony KT0NY
T

T

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Oct 19 23:37:12 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 20:37:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Clock Accuracy
In-Reply-To: <8ABD9106-19FA-4F5F-BC84-D0685F4F0226@blomand.net>
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	<8ABD9106-19FA-4F5F-BC84-D0685F4F0226@blomand.net>
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On 10/19/2019 7:42 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Two minutes early and stop 2 minutes early and 3KW PEP.  Get your head out of the sand.  There is no honor among thieves.

Timing errors like this would be exposed by log checking. I'm a member 
of one of the largest US contest clubs, and I've visited many of the 
bigger stations. Power cheating is NOT what WE do. It is, however, 
widely believed that there is significant power cheating in some 
countries.

73, Jim K9YC

From randyh at greywolfstudios.com  Sat Oct 19 23:50:23 2019
From: randyh at greywolfstudios.com (Randy Heise)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 20:50:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Clock Accuracy
In-Reply-To: <6f705912-1207-3795-2436-55548c8e2690@cis-broadband.com>
References: <6f705912-1207-3795-2436-55548c8e2690@cis-broadband.com>
Message-ID: <396B2A72-7E81-4B50-9C74-3E4B08148748@greywolfstudios.com>

As a new FT-8 user on my K2, I find this thread fascinating. But all these software solutions appear to be for PC?s. Is there something equivalent for Macs?

Randy, NB7E

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2019, at 12:59 PM, David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> My laptop, which I use for FT8, fires up about 2.5 seconds off. That's unusable for FT8, which is why I use Meinberg NTP to sync it.  I couldn't care less if it was 2 minutes off for logging (even for contesting), but for FT8 it should be, as you say, 0.5 seconds or better for best results.  Meinberg (which is free) puts me within one or two tenths of a second of everyone else.
> 
> Dave   AB7E
> 
> 
>> On 10/19/2019 12:32 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> For logging purposes +/- a few seconds is relatively unimportant.  For timed or sequence transmissions 0.5 seconds seems adequate.  I see on reason to maintain microsecond timing.
>> 
>> Remember, it's only a hobby.
>> 
>> Bob, K4TAX
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Oct 19, 2019, at 2:19 PM, Tox <scott.small at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Typical NTP implementations only query every N minutes. Might check to see
>>> if your implementation also checks at startup, but if you're just
>>> suspend/waking a windows laptop it may not be triggering that sort of
>>> event, and just waiting for next scheduled update.
>>> 
>>> Good luck
>>> 
>>> Scott
>>> AD6YT
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Oct 19, 2019, 10:43 AM David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I don't have to rerun Meinberg.  It does everything by itself.  For some
>>>> reason it just doesn't seem to do it on startup ... it takes a few
>>>> minutes before it kicks in.  So far I haven't figured out why.
>>>> 
>>>> 73,
>>>> Dave   AB7E
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 10/19/2019 4:37 AM, David Woolley wrote:
>>>>> There is something wrong if you have to re-run a Windows installer
>>>>> every time that you boot Windows!  The Meinberg product is just an
>>>>> installer; the actual software installed is the open source NTP
>>>>> reference implementation, currently owned by the University of
>>>>> Delaware, and developed under the leadership of David Mills W3HCF.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The reference version means the version used to verify the
>>>>> implementability of the specification in the RFC document.
>>>>> 
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> 
>> 
> 
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sat Oct 19 23:57:49 2019
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 20:57:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Clock Accuracy
In-Reply-To: <396B2A72-7E81-4B50-9C74-3E4B08148748@greywolfstudios.com>
References: <6f705912-1207-3795-2436-55548c8e2690@cis-broadband.com>
	<396B2A72-7E81-4B50-9C74-3E4B08148748@greywolfstudios.com>
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Macs have NTP time synchronization built in. They?ve had that since the early days of MacOS X, so more than fifteen years.

Under the ?Date & Time? panel in System Preferences, the ?Set date and time automatically? checkbox enables NTP synchronization.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Oct 19, 2019, at 8:50 PM, Randy Heise <randyh at greywolfstudios.com> wrote:
> 
> As a new FT-8 user on my K2, I find this thread fascinating. But all these software solutions appear to be for PC?s. Is there something equivalent for Macs?
> 
> Randy, NB7E
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 19, 2019, at 12:59 PM, David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> My laptop, which I use for FT8, fires up about 2.5 seconds off. That's unusable for FT8, which is why I use Meinberg NTP to sync it.  I couldn't care less if it was 2 minutes off for logging (even for contesting), but for FT8 it should be, as you say, 0.5 seconds or better for best results.  Meinberg (which is free) puts me within one or two tenths of a second of everyone else.
>> 
>> Dave   AB7E
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/19/2019 12:32 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>>> For logging purposes +/- a few seconds is relatively unimportant.  For timed or sequence transmissions 0.5 seconds seems adequate.  I see on reason to maintain microsecond timing.
>>> 
>>> Remember, it's only a hobby.
>>> 
>>> Bob, K4TAX
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 19, 2019, at 2:19 PM, Tox <scott.small at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Typical NTP implementations only query every N minutes. Might check to see
>>>> if your implementation also checks at startup, but if you're just
>>>> suspend/waking a windows laptop it may not be triggering that sort of
>>>> event, and just waiting for next scheduled update.
>>>> 
>>>> Good luck
>>>> 
>>>> Scott
>>>> AD6YT
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Oct 19, 2019, 10:43 AM David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I don't have to rerun Meinberg.  It does everything by itself.  For some
>>>>> reason it just doesn't seem to do it on startup ... it takes a few
>>>>> minutes before it kicks in.  So far I haven't figured out why.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Dave   AB7E
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 10/19/2019 4:37 AM, David Woolley wrote:
>>>>>> There is something wrong if you have to re-run a Windows installer
>>>>>> every time that you boot Windows!  The Meinberg product is just an
>>>>>> installer; the actual software installed is the open source NTP
>>>>>> reference implementation, currently owned by the University of
>>>>>> Delaware, and developed under the leadership of David Mills W3HCF.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The reference version means the version used to verify the
>>>>>> implementability of the specification in the RFC document.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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From weaverwf at usermail.com  Sat Oct 19 23:58:03 2019
From: weaverwf at usermail.com (Bill Weaver)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 23:58:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Clock Accuracy
In-Reply-To: <396B2A72-7E81-4B50-9C74-3E4B08148748@greywolfstudios.com>
	<6f705912-1207-3795-2436-55548c8e2690@cis-broadband.com>
References: <6f705912-1207-3795-2436-55548c8e2690@cis-broadband.com>
Message-ID: <9fc5d9ba-f412-4030-915a-5a986fc72c84@localhost>

  
  
Does the Mac need one? How gar off is your clock?
  

  
73,
  
Bill WE5P
  
  
  

  
  
  
  
  
>   
> On Oct 19, 2019 at 23:50, Randy Heise  <randyh at greywolfstudios.com>  wrote:
>   
>   
>  As a new FT-8 user on my K2, I find this thread fascinating. But all these software solutions appear to be for PC?s. Is there something equivalent for Macs? Randy, NB7E Sent from my iPhone  >  On Oct 19, 2019, at 12:59 PM, David Gilbert wrote:  >   >  ?  >  My laptop, which I use for FT8, fires up about 2.5 seconds off. That's unusable for FT8, which is why I use Meinberg NTP to sync it. I couldn't care less if it was 2 minutes off for logging (even for contesting), but for FT8 it should be, as you say, 0.5 seconds or better for best results. Meinberg (which is free) puts me within one or two tenths of a second of everyone else.  >   >  Dave AB7E  >   >   >>  On 10/19/2019 12:32 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:  >>  For logging purposes +/- a few seconds is relatively unimportant. For timed or sequence transmissions 0.5 seconds seems adequate. I see on reason to maintain microsecond timing.  >>   >>  Remember, it's only a hobby.  >>   >>  Bob, K4TAX  >>   >>   >>  Sent from my iPhone  >>   >>>>  On Oct 19, 2019, at 2:19 PM, Tox wrote:  >>>   >>>  Typical NTP implementations only query every N minutes. Might check to see  >>>  if your implementation also checks at startup, but if you're just  >>>  suspend/waking a windows laptop it may not be triggering that sort of  >>>  event, and just waiting for next scheduled update.  >>>   >>>  Good luck  >>>   >>>  Scott  >>>  AD6YT  >>>   >>>  On Sat, Oct 19, 2019, 10:43 AM David Gilbert  >>>  wrote:  >>>   >>>>  I don't have to rerun Meinberg. It does everything by itself. For some  >>>>  reason it just doesn't seem to do it on startup ... it takes a few  >>>>  minutes before it kicks in. So far I haven't figured out why.  >>>>   >>>>  73,  >>>>  Dave AB7E  >>>>   >>>>   >>>>>  On 10/19/2019 4:37 AM, David Woolley wrote:  >>>>>  There is something wrong if you have to re-run a Windows installer  >>>>>  every time that you boot Windows! The Meinberg product is just an  >>>>>  installer; the actual software installed is the open source NTP  >>>>>  reference implementation, currently owned by the University of  >>>>>  Delaware, and developed under the leadership of David Mills W3HCF.  >>>>>   >>>>>  The reference version means the version used to verify the  >>>>>  implementability of the specification in the RFC document.  >>>>>   >>>>  ______________________________________________________________  >>>>  Elecraft mailing list  >>>>  Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft  >>>>  Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm  >>>>  Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net  >>>>   >>>>  This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net  >>>>  Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html  >>>>  Message delivered to scott.small at gmail.com  >>>  ______________________________________________________________  >>>  Elecraft mailing list  >>>  Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft  >>>  Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm  >>>  Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net  >>>   >>>  This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net  >>>  Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html  >>>  Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net  >>>   >>   >>   >   >  ______________________________________________________________  >  Elecraft mailing list  >  Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft  >  Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm  >  Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net  >   >  This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net  >  Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html  >  Message delivered to randyh at greywolfstudios.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to weaverwf at usermail.com  
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Oct 20 00:39:59 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 21:39:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <8948af22-71e0-b8b9-b894-4ee3b7150a37@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? I was listening to the ALCS game 6 on 750 AM.? It was loud but I 
kept hearing tones.? I thought I was imagining CW from the noise.? It 
wasn't repeated often enough to catch more than a character or two once 
or twice an inning.? Then in the 4th I got K7??T.? I put that into 
https://www.wm7d.net/perl/ulsquery.pl but got too many hits.? Then a lot 
of repetitions with DE K7RAT a few times.? I put that into the database 
and I found an amateur radio club station south of Manning.? Put the 
address into Google maps and found their location.? Eight miles as the 
crow flies from me across a clear space between us.? I put K7RAT into 
http://reversebeacon.net/dxsd1/dxsd1.php?f=0&c=K7RAT&t=dx and found 
their frequency of 1817.0 kHz.? I should have completed the loop by 
turning on my K3 and finding them there too.? I was able to copy a few 
other stations on my stereo's receiver but not as well as the club 
station.? From google maps I saw a large vertical antenna.? I should 
drive over for a QSL card :)

 ?? I need to work on my antenna system so I can use 160 meters this 
season.? The ATU on my K3 can't match my antenna; I think it is too 
long.? But I can use it to copy a lot of folks on the low band.? Twenty 
and forty meters are not as quiet nor as productive.? I am hopeful the 
sun will be more active one day. Which day that may be in still in flux.


Please join us on (or near):

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 ? 7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

 ?? 73,
 ????? Kevin. KD5ONS


_


From xdavid at cis-broadband.com  Sun Oct 20 00:54:24 2019
From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 21:54:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Clock Accuracy
In-Reply-To: <20191019212948.Horde.cDh6eNbAd9x2oYs2CQV0182@www11.qth.com>
References: <20191019212948.Horde.cDh6eNbAd9x2oYs2CQV0182@www11.qth.com>
Message-ID: <d36cefa4-fe8a-bf0f-07d0-39e080bef31d@cis-broadband.com>


I was talking about logged QSO times.? Pretty sure you know what's what 
I meant, so I'm pretty sure you're just trying to be cute.

Dave?? AB7E


On 10/19/2019 7:29 PM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
> I cannot imagine starting a contest two minutes before everyone else 
> or ending it two minutes later.
>
> John KK9A - W4AAA
>
>
>
> David Gilbert AB7E wrote:
>
>
> My laptop, which I use for FT8, fires up about 2.5 seconds off. That's
> unusable for FT8, which is why I use Meinberg NTP to sync it.? I
> couldn't care less if it was 2 minutes off for logging (even for
> contesting), but for FT8 it should be, as you say, 0.5 seconds or better
> for best results.? Meinberg (which is free) puts me within one or two
> tenths of a second of everyone else.
>
> Dave?? AB7E
>
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From eric at elecraft.com  Sun Oct 20 02:29:48 2019
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 23:29:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Clock Accuracy
In-Reply-To: <d36cefa4-fe8a-bf0f-07d0-39e080bef31d@cis-broadband.com>
References: <d36cefa4-fe8a-bf0f-07d0-39e080bef31d@cis-broadband.com>
Message-ID: <D964B0A6-4C74-46AE-9238-335B67F4C841@elecraft.com>

Wow, it mist be a poor propagation day.. 

Thread closed. Its volume is way out of control. 

Folks, please self moderate on your posts when there have been a lot of postings on a topic. Its not necessary to beat topics to death as this one has been. 

73,
Eric
Moderator etc. 
elecraft.com


From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sun Oct 20 03:00:28 2019
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 23:00:28 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Clock Accuracy
Message-ID: <201910200700.x9K70UuL025278@mail46c28.carrierzone.com>

Since I run mostly digital eme (JT65) my computer time accuracy needs 
are pretty strick (<1 second).  For years I used dimension 4 and 
switched to BktTimeSync (from IZ2BKT) last four years to utilize GPS 
time using a cheap USB dongle GPS unit.

BktTime can sync to NTP off the Internet or from a GPS.  Or have both 
running.  I run with NTP turned off and GPS Sync on startup so I do 
not need an Internet connection.  I have another computer for 
Internet/e-mail/loggers, etc.

Just booted the computer and got an update of 1.903000 seconds.  Next 
sync shifted time -0.027000 seconds.  I have it set for sync every 
ten minutes which keeps time within about 0.2 seconds which is more 
than adequate for synchronous digital modes (like JT65 or FT8).

I do not use the clock in my K3 so rarely update it.  Logging is 
manual using computer time.

73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 


From tbry441 at myfairpoint.net  Sun Oct 20 07:45:36 2019
From: tbry441 at myfairpoint.net (Thaire Bryant)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 07:45:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft-KX io group
Message-ID: <49938263-B6AB-4905-9461-0D7C995FEBBC@myfairpoint.net>

Thank you all, I am up and running!

73
Thaire. W2APF

From randyn1kwf at gmail.com  Sun Oct 20 08:50:09 2019
From: randyn1kwf at gmail.com (Randy Lake)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 08:50:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Sub RX no sound
Message-ID: <CACnmA1OZheay=mDnS_61qc9awKxqv8J4gZxXqfN9YaOx2iyh1A@mail.gmail.com>

I have not used the Sub in a very long time. I tried to use it last evening
and I get no audio out of that channel. It is using the correct antenna
(1), correct FL1, RX antenna is not selected, Mix is A - b. If I choose A
A I do get A out of both speakers. Sub AF is balance .
I have gone through the manual and see nothing that stands out but before I
tear into it wanted to check here.
Thanks all !
Randy N1KWF

-- 
Randy Lake N1KWF
73 Gunn Rd.
Keene,NH

From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Sun Oct 20 09:18:25 2019
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 09:18:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Clock Accuracy
In-Reply-To: <396B2A72-7E81-4B50-9C74-3E4B08148748@greywolfstudios.com>
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-7790B4C814F54252A870BCC671D849CA@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

Apologies to Eric who closed this thread, but getting Macs to 
work is on topic and generally not covered much on this list. 
Please tell me if I am off base and I'll try to clean up my act.

The built in Mac time synch works very well. Since I sometimes 
operate where there is no Internet access, I am thrown back on 
the accuracy of the computer clock. I can get enough off that 
FT8 doesn't work any more. The solution is to fire up my phone 
as a hot spot, connect to it, and use the Date and Time panel to 
change the time provider away from North America and back. That 
gooses the software into doing a synch and then things are good again.

I have never gotten manual setting of the time to work well 
enough for FT8. I would love a technique that worked well for 
when that rare DX is the one that is off. A QSO in both logs is 
more valuable than correct time.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 10/19/19 at 11:50 PM, randyh at greywolfstudios.com (Randy 
Heise) wrote:

>As a new FT-8 user on my K2, I find this thread fascinating. 
>But all these software solutions appear to be for PC?s. Is 
>there something equivalent for Macs?

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From KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Sun Oct 20 13:34:23 2019
From: KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 10:34:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Clock Accuracy
In-Reply-To: <396B2A72-7E81-4B50-9C74-3E4B08148748@greywolfstudios.com>
References: <6f705912-1207-3795-2436-55548c8e2690@cis-broadband.com>
	<396B2A72-7E81-4B50-9C74-3E4B08148748@greywolfstudios.com>
Message-ID: <d1dc0adb-9e06-48c5-078b-5a4cdf3833b7@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

Most operating systems have NTP clients built in.

Sure, there are a million clients out there (I use Tardis), and there 
are probably more that work under BSD-like UNIX (MacOS).

The one built in to the OS is probably just fine.

73 -- Lynn

On 10/19/2019 8:50 PM, Randy Heise wrote:
> As a new FT-8 user on my K2, I find this thread fascinating. But all these software solutions appear to be for PC?s. Is there something equivalent for Macs?
> 
> Randy, NB7E
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 19, 2019, at 12:59 PM, David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> My laptop, which I use for FT8, fires up about 2.5 seconds off. That's unusable for FT8, which is why I use Meinberg NTP to sync it.  I couldn't care less if it was 2 minutes off for logging (even for contesting), but for FT8 it should be, as you say, 0.5 seconds or better for best results.  Meinberg (which is free) puts me within one or two tenths of a second of everyone else.
>>
>> Dave   AB7E
>>
>>
>>> On 10/19/2019 12:32 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>>> For logging purposes +/- a few seconds is relatively unimportant.  For timed or sequence transmissions 0.5 seconds seems adequate.  I see on reason to maintain microsecond timing.
>>>
>>> Remember, it's only a hobby.
>>>
>>> Bob, K4TAX
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>>> On Oct 19, 2019, at 2:19 PM, Tox <scott.small at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Typical NTP implementations only query every N minutes. Might check to see
>>>> if your implementation also checks at startup, but if you're just
>>>> suspend/waking a windows laptop it may not be triggering that sort of
>>>> event, and just waiting for next scheduled update.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>> AD6YT
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Oct 19, 2019, 10:43 AM David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't have to rerun Meinberg.  It does everything by itself.  For some
>>>>> reason it just doesn't seem to do it on startup ... it takes a few
>>>>> minutes before it kicks in.  So far I haven't figured out why.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Dave   AB7E
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/19/2019 4:37 AM, David Woolley wrote:
>>>>>> There is something wrong if you have to re-run a Windows installer
>>>>>> every time that you boot Windows!  The Meinberg product is just an
>>>>>> installer; the actual software installed is the open source NTP
>>>>>> reference implementation, currently owned by the University of
>>>>>> Delaware, and developed under the leadership of David Mills W3HCF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The reference version means the version used to verify the
>>>>>> implementability of the specification in the RFC document.
>>>>>>
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From w5sv.dave at gmail.com  Sun Oct 20 13:42:12 2019
From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 10:42:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Utility for MAC not working for me
Message-ID: <18BA4746-A01B-4647-A31F-F5A003386C4B@gmail.com>

I am  trying to use the 64 bit KX2 Utility on my MacBook Pro running macOS 10.15 Catalina.

I click on it and it never opens. K3 Utility works fine FWIW.

Any hints?
Thanks!

David F. Reed




From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sun Oct 20 14:00:18 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 14:00:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Utility for MAC not working for me
In-Reply-To: <18BA4746-A01B-4647-A31F-F5A003386C4B@gmail.com>
References: <18BA4746-A01B-4647-A31F-F5A003386C4B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <137494CA-4DD8-4F27-837C-91B9C296498D@gmail.com>

i just tried it on my Catalina MacBook Pro out of curiosity  ? I don?t own a KX2.  Opens and runs fine.

Do you get any kind of message when you try to open it?  If I just click on it in the Downloads folder directly from the Dock, I get a message that it won?t open because it was downloaded from the internet.  (There?s something screwy with Catalina and the behavior of the Downloads Dock icon anyway). If I open Downloads in Finder and then run it properly it runs fine.

Grant NQ5T

> On Oct 20, 2019, at 1:42 PM, David F. Reed <w5sv.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am  trying to use the 64 bit KX2 Utility on my MacBook Pro running macOS 10.15 Catalina.
> 
> I click on it and it never opens. K3 Utility works fine FWIW.
> 
> Any hints?
> Thanks!
> 
> David F. Reed


From w5sv.dave at gmail.com  Sun Oct 20 14:09:12 2019
From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 11:09:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Utility for MAC not working for me
In-Reply-To: <137494CA-4DD8-4F27-837C-91B9C296498D@gmail.com>
References: <18BA4746-A01B-4647-A31F-F5A003386C4B@gmail.com>
	<137494CA-4DD8-4F27-837C-91B9C296498D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12830B58-FAB7-4188-A242-2C992A6326F4@gmail.com>

Grant, thanks for the info; I re-downloaded it, and tried as you suggest.  There is no message; it shows on the lower toolbar as running (dot beneath it) but nothing happens (never shows on screen).

David F. Reed, W5SV



> On Oct 20, 2019, at 11:00, Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> i just tried it on my Catalina MacBook Pro out of curiosity  ? I don?t own a KX2.  Opens and runs fine.
> 
> Do you get any kind of message when you try to open it?  If I just click on it in the Downloads folder directly from the Dock, I get a message that it won?t open because it was downloaded from the internet.  (There?s something screwy with Catalina and the behavior of the Downloads Dock icon anyway). If I open Downloads in Finder and then run it properly it runs fine.
> 
> Grant NQ5T
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2019, at 1:42 PM, David F. Reed <w5sv.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I am  trying to use the 64 bit KX2 Utility on my MacBook Pro running macOS 10.15 Catalina.
>> 
>> I click on it and it never opens. K3 Utility works fine FWIW.
>> 
>> Any hints?
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> David F. Reed
> 


From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sun Oct 20 15:20:55 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 15:20:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Utility for MAC not working for me
In-Reply-To: <12830B58-FAB7-4188-A242-2C992A6326F4@gmail.com>
References: <18BA4746-A01B-4647-A31F-F5A003386C4B@gmail.com>
	<137494CA-4DD8-4F27-837C-91B9C296498D@gmail.com>
	<12830B58-FAB7-4188-A242-2C992A6326F4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2E7AB03D-E288-42A4-9BB4-EC2302B5FF23@gmail.com>

David ..

I?ve seen that happen with other apps occasionally.  But to be honest, I have no clue what causes it (permissions glitch, maybe?)  Have you tried rebooting the Mac?  Probably won?t help, but is sometimes the universal cure-all ? like hitting a radio on the side when it quits working :-)

Grant NQ5T

> On Oct 20, 2019, at 2:09 PM, David F. Reed <w5sv.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Grant, thanks for the info; I re-downloaded it, and tried as you suggest.  There is no message; it shows on the lower toolbar as running (dot beneath it) but nothing happens (never shows on screen).
> 
> David F. Reed, W5SV
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2019, at 11:00, Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> i just tried it on my Catalina MacBook Pro out of curiosity  ? I don?t own a KX2.  Opens and runs fine.
>> 
>> Do you get any kind of message when you try to open it?  If I just click on it in the Downloads folder directly from the Dock, I get a message that it won?t open because it was downloaded from the internet.  (There?s something screwy with Catalina and the behavior of the Downloads Dock icon anyway). If I open Downloads in Finder and then run it properly it runs fine.
>> 
>> Grant NQ5T
>> 
>>> On Oct 20, 2019, at 1:42 PM, David F. Reed <w5sv.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am  trying to use the 64 bit KX2 Utility on my MacBook Pro running macOS 10.15 Catalina.
>>> 
>>> I click on it and it never opens. K3 Utility works fine FWIW.
>>> 
>>> Any hints?
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> David F. Reed
>> 
> 


From dflem at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 20 15:26:37 2019
From: dflem at yahoo.com (David Fleming)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 19:26:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Utility for MAC not working for me
In-Reply-To: <12830B58-FAB7-4188-A242-2C992A6326F4@gmail.com>
References: <18BA4746-A01B-4647-A31F-F5A003386C4B@gmail.com>
	<137494CA-4DD8-4F27-837C-91B9C296498D@gmail.com>
	<12830B58-FAB7-4188-A242-2C992A6326F4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1588592209.2812915.1571599597793@mail.yahoo.com>

David, are you seeing the KX2 menu at the top of the screen when you try to start the app??
David, W4SMT


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Sunday, October 20, 2019, 2:09 PM, David F. Reed <w5sv.dave at gmail.com> wrote:

Grant, thanks for the info; I re-downloaded it, and tried as you suggest.? There is no message; it shows on the lower toolbar as running (dot beneath it) but nothing happens (never shows on screen).

David F. Reed, W5SV



> On Oct 20, 2019, at 11:00, Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> i just tried it on my Catalina MacBook Pro out of curiosity? ? I don?t own a KX2.? Opens and runs fine.
> 
> Do you get any kind of message when you try to open it?? If I just click on it in the Downloads folder directly from the Dock, I get a message that it won?t open because it was downloaded from the internet.? (There?s something screwy with Catalina and the behavior of the Downloads Dock icon anyway). If I open Downloads in Finder and then run it properly it runs fine.
> 
> Grant NQ5T
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2019, at 1:42 PM, David F. Reed <w5sv.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I am? trying to use the 64 bit KX2 Utility on my MacBook Pro running macOS 10.15 Catalina.
>> 
>> I click on it and it never opens. K3 Utility works fine FWIW.
>> 
>> Any hints?
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> David F. Reed
> 

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From edauer at law.du.edu  Sun Oct 20 15:33:15 2019
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 19:33:15 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - Hot Air Soldering Guns for SMDs
Message-ID: <FAF1CA5E-AF7E-4B65-B2C4-DB61F3AAD4B2@law.du.edu>

I am thinking about trying my hand at building a kit with a bunch of SMDs.  I don?t yet know the gauge.  Any suggestions about the brand or type of hot air soldering gun I should buy?  Any other tools I?ll need, like narrow-gauge solder, wicks, whatever?

Thanks,

Ted, KN1CBR


From w5sv.dave at gmail.com  Sun Oct 20 15:34:23 2019
From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 12:34:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Utility for MAC not working for me
In-Reply-To: <1588592209.2812915.1571599597793@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <18BA4746-A01B-4647-A31F-F5A003386C4B@gmail.com>
	<137494CA-4DD8-4F27-837C-91B9C296498D@gmail.com>
	<12830B58-FAB7-4188-A242-2C992A6326F4@gmail.com>
	<1588592209.2812915.1571599597793@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FF73FC3E-8BD4-4708-9B1E-BF3D25C0B7C9@gmail.com>

Not before, but after restart I do; then going to window, zoom on that bar, it is visible.

Big thanks for getting me stuck!

73 de David F. Reed, W5SV



> On Oct 20, 2019, at 12:26, David Fleming <dflem at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> David, are you seeing the KX2 menu at the top of the screen when you try to start the app? 
> 
> David, W4SMT
> 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS>
> 
> On Sunday, October 20, 2019, 2:09 PM, David F. Reed <w5sv.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Grant, thanks for the info; I re-downloaded it, and tried as you suggest.  There is no message; it shows on the lower toolbar as running (dot beneath it) but nothing happens (never shows on screen).
> 
> David F. Reed, W5SV
> 
> 
> 
> > On Oct 20, 2019, at 11:00, Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com <mailto:ghyoungman at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > i just tried it on my Catalina MacBook Pro out of curiosity  ? I don?t own a KX2.  Opens and runs fine.
> > 
> > Do you get any kind of message when you try to open it?  If I just click on it in the Downloads folder directly from the Dock, I get a message that it won?t open because it was downloaded from the internet.  (There?s something screwy with Catalina and the behavior of the Downloads Dock icon anyway). If I open Downloads in Finder and then run it properly it runs fine.
> > 
> > Grant NQ5T
> > 
> >> On Oct 20, 2019, at 1:42 PM, David F. Reed <w5sv.dave at gmail.com <mailto:w5sv.dave at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> 
> >> I am  trying to use the 64 bit KX2 Utility on my MacBook Pro running macOS 10.15 Catalina.
> >> 
> >> I click on it and it never opens. K3 Utility works fine FWIW.
> >> 
> >> Any hints?
> >> Thanks!
> >> 
> >> David F. Reed
> > 
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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Sun Oct 20 16:40:24 2019
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 16:40:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - Hot Air Soldering Guns for SMDs
In-Reply-To: <FAF1CA5E-AF7E-4B65-B2C4-DB61F3AAD4B2@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-CD3F6047B12B4EF1A44274450C3330CC@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

I got a hot air rework device from SparkFun. It does a fine job 
of heating SMT parts so they can be removed and replaced. I did 
the KPOD power upgrade to my K3 using it.

It is currently in the hands of the moving company which is 
moving our stuff from CA to NH as part of our move to 
Peterborough, so I can't give a lot of details. But the invoice, 
which is stored on my computer shows it as:

  Hot-air Rework Station - 303D
  TOL-10706      1
    $114.95


73 Bill AE6JV

On 10/20/19 at 3:33 PM, edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) wrote:

>I am thinking about trying my hand at building a kit with a 
>bunch of SMDs.  I don?t yet know the gauge.  Any suggestions 
>about the brand or type of hot air soldering gun I should buy?  
>Any other tools I?ll need, like narrow-gauge solder, wicks, whatever?

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From mcquiggi at sfu.ca  Sun Oct 20 18:43:35 2019
From: mcquiggi at sfu.ca (Kevin McQuiggin)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 15:43:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - Hot Air Soldering Guns for SMDs
In-Reply-To: <FAF1CA5E-AF7E-4B65-B2C4-DB61F3AAD4B2@law.du.edu>
References: <FAF1CA5E-AF7E-4B65-B2C4-DB61F3AAD4B2@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <2303848F-1EB3-462C-A88E-3B5927821C64@sfu.ca>

Hi Ted:

I wanted to get into some SMD building and tried the hot air approach initially.  It was difficult and unreliable, and I messed up more than I had success.

The best decision I made was to invest in a modestly-priced infrared SMD oven from Amazon.  This works perfectly for me and I have now successfully made well over 100 boards with the device.

Price range was under $200.  There is a lot of negatively about some of these ovens as they are made in China, but despite the poor English in their documentation I found that they work just fine.  Put your pasted board inside with properly placed components, and ?voila!? - a working circuit board in 7 minutes!

While the English in the documentation for my particular oven was poor, one can easily figure out what the writer means.  Similarly, the user interface on my oven leaves a bit to be desired, but one can easily figure out what the screens mean, and get the job done.

The oven has about 5 pre-programmed heating cycles for different types of solder and different heating profiles.  I just use the default cycle as it matches my configuration (lead-based solder paste).

Another suggestion is to invest in aluminum solder paste stencils for the boards you are building, if they are available.  These are about $8 from a place in Utah.  They beat trying to squirt paste onto closely-spaced pads with a syringe or other tool!

Hope this info helps, 73,

Kevin VE7ZD / KN7Q





> On Oct 20, 2019, at 12:33 PM, Dauer, Edward <edauer at law.du.edu> wrote:
> 
> I am thinking about trying my hand at building a kit with a bunch of SMDs.  I don?t yet know the gauge.  Any suggestions about the brand or type of hot air soldering gun I should buy?  Any other tools I?ll need, like narrow-gauge solder, wicks, whatever?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ted, KN1CBR
> 
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From marklgoldberg at gmail.com  Sun Oct 20 19:00:41 2019
From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 16:00:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft]  OT - Hot Air Soldering Guns for SMDs
In-Reply-To: <CAKn+a3u5epHUm5qSrJv+bZmPSxyaZm6mzDhaY69_fd0Qm-z1GQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FAF1CA5E-AF7E-4B65-B2C4-DB61F3AAD4B2@law.du.edu>
	<CAKn+a3u5epHUm5qSrJv+bZmPSxyaZm6mzDhaY69_fd0Qm-z1GQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKn+a3tx8Z6=MUV8rAAK3NCbY=JFnXZCyFhARxypw2WqDfybwg@mail.gmail.com>

I have a well used hot air gun (OK Industries SMT-1160) but I use my Metcal
iron and hot tweezers a lot more. They have an infinite selection of tips
for almost anything. They are expensive though, even used.

For us old farts with unsteady hands and bad eyes, a vacuum pickup, lots of
tweezers and a binocular microscope are a huge help. A flux bottle with a
dispensing needle tip and a bottle of Isopropyl  Alcohol are musts too. I
have some tiny solder, solder wick and solder paste for my reflow oven. The
reflow oven is the bees knees if you are building a lot.

Youth and delicate hands also helps, I have neither but I get by.

Look at my qrz.com page for my setup and links to more info.

73,

Mark
W7MLG


On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 12:33 PM Dauer, Edward <edauer at law.du.edu> wrote:

> I am thinking about trying my hand at building a kit with a bunch of
> SMDs.  I don?t yet know the gauge.  Any suggestions about the brand or type
> of hot air soldering gun I should buy?  Any other tools I?ll need, like
> narrow-gauge solder, wicks, whatever?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>
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From kevin at ve3syb.ca  Sun Oct 20 19:13:16 2019
From: kevin at ve3syb.ca (Kevin Cozens)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 19:13:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - Hot Air Soldering Guns for SMDs
In-Reply-To: <FAF1CA5E-AF7E-4B65-B2C4-DB61F3AAD4B2@law.du.edu>
References: <FAF1CA5E-AF7E-4B65-B2C4-DB61F3AAD4B2@law.du.edu>
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On 2019-10-20 3:33 p.m., Dauer, Edward wrote:
> I am thinking about trying my hand at building a kit with a bunch of SMDs.  I don???t yet know the gauge.  Any suggestions about the brand or type of hot air soldering gun I should buy?  Any other tools I???ll need
Solder paste, small non-magnetic tweezers, a good source of light for the 
area, and possibly a magnifying glass that you can use hands free while 
soldering (if soldering the parts by hand). Another option would be one of 
those inspection type microscopes. Your need for either of the last two 
items will depend on your eyesight and how often you will be doing SMD 
related work.

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From ardrhi at gmail.com  Sun Oct 20 19:14:28 2019
From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 19:14:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - Hot Air Soldering Guns for SMDs
In-Reply-To: <CAKn+a3tx8Z6=MUV8rAAK3NCbY=JFnXZCyFhARxypw2WqDfybwg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FAF1CA5E-AF7E-4B65-B2C4-DB61F3AAD4B2@law.du.edu>
	<CAKn+a3u5epHUm5qSrJv+bZmPSxyaZm6mzDhaY69_fd0Qm-z1GQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKn+a3tx8Z6=MUV8rAAK3NCbY=JFnXZCyFhARxypw2WqDfybwg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+nQa2PuKMg_eBQrdRGYbswy2UT1f+4gjypYR66GgUkWLyXUmg@mail.gmail.com>

I was a backer for the ReflowR computer controlled SMD hot plate a few
years ago. I had to cough up a little extra for shipping because the
creator munged up his figures and didn't leave enough for shipping, and was
selling the things on Tindie to build up cash to send units to his backers
-- which caused people to get really cheesed off at him. I did get my
ReflowR, however, one with built in Wi-Fi for control with an app, or it
has a bunch of preconfigured profiles in it for most reflow jobs. This was
before ovens like the one you got were available so cheap, so there's only
a LITTLE buyer's remorse.

It DOES work pretty well, though. Combined with my I-Extruder pen for
applying solder paste, it makes SMD work much easier. The I-Extruder can be
used as a vacuum pick-and-place tool as well, or for applying flux in
controlled amounts. Since I don't work a lot with SMD yet, I use it for
applying Amtech Tacky Flux (Thank you, Louis Rossmann!) to my thru-hole
components for good soldering with much less flux application mess.

I also have one of those cheap Chinese WEP hot air reflow stations. Cost me
$60 on Amazon, and it works like a champ. I use it primarily for
heat-shrink, though. Used with that marine-grade heat shrink that's lined
with hot glue, it's a total wizard's tool.

73,
Gwen, NG3P

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 7:01 PM Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I have a well used hot air gun (OK Industries SMT-1160) but I use my Metcal
> iron and hot tweezers a lot more. They have an infinite selection of tips
> for almost anything. They are expensive though, even used.
>
> For us old farts with unsteady hands and bad eyes, a vacuum pickup, lots of
> tweezers and a binocular microscope are a huge help. A flux bottle with a
> dispensing needle tip and a bottle of Isopropyl  Alcohol are musts too. I
> have some tiny solder, solder wick and solder paste for my reflow oven. The
> reflow oven is the bees knees if you are building a lot.
>
> Youth and delicate hands also helps, I have neither but I get by.
>
> Look at my qrz.com page for my setup and links to more info.
>
> 73,
>
> Mark
> W7MLG
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 12:33 PM Dauer, Edward <edauer at law.du.edu> wrote:
>
> > I am thinking about trying my hand at building a kit with a bunch of
> > SMDs.  I don?t yet know the gauge.  Any suggestions about the brand or
> type
> > of hot air soldering gun I should buy?  Any other tools I?ll need, like
> > narrow-gauge solder, wicks, whatever?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ted, KN1CBR
> >
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Oct 20 19:16:41 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 16:16:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Advantages of direct conversion
Message-ID: <e35e8881-0a29-536e-1ee5-63bb703c5b8c@foothill.net>

I've asked this sometime before but did not get any answer, I'll try 
once more ... What are the advantages of direct conversion over a 
superhet?? I know "how" both work, my curiosity is, "What capabilities 
drive a radio like a K4 to use direct conversion?

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

From ts2018 at sy-edm.com  Sun Oct 20 20:02:46 2019
From: ts2018 at sy-edm.com (a45wg)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 08:02:46 +0800
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
Message-ID: <D997F033-1138-4698-AAAB-0D64AE415007@sy-edm.com>

Fellow Elecrafters,
						I am trying to extend the wifi based internet coverage in my property. Alas it has very thick concrete walls with lots of re-bar in them, which is good for the odd earthquake - but not so much for wifi.
						
	I am trying to avoid at all costs of drilling holes in the walls and using ethernet/Fibre/coax etc... With the effect that I havebeen looking at wifi range extending.
	
	I am familiar (and not that impressed with Wifi extenders) but I have been looking at Powerline Extenders - which looks like a clever solution - but one which sound like it should have a QRM-Health warning to all Hams written all over it.
	
	So does anyone use Powerline Wifi extenders ?
	If so - any issues ... 
	Any models you would recommend (or suggest to avoid)
	
If you would like to read more on this technology the following link should get you started ... 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug

With this example from TP as to how they can be used

https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/powerline/tl-pa9020-kit/

Many thanks

    Tim


From marklgoldberg at gmail.com  Sun Oct 20 20:16:27 2019
From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 17:16:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Advantages of direct conversion
In-Reply-To: <e35e8881-0a29-536e-1ee5-63bb703c5b8c@foothill.net>
References: <e35e8881-0a29-536e-1ee5-63bb703c5b8c@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <CAKn+a3s-qTD14W5B2ijRphqeZSoTGEqxAihOaDvg-XLA7brviw@mail.gmail.com>

You can find a lot of explanations by searching "advantages of direct
conversion sdr".

Adam has a good explanation here as it relates to amateur radio:

https://www.ab4oj.com/sdr/apdxc16_sdr.pdf

The K4 page K4FAQ tab has some good info too:

https://elecraft.com/pages/k4-pre-order

73,

Mark
W7MLG


On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 4:20 PM Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:

> I've asked this sometime before but did not get any answer, I'll try
> once more ... What are the advantages of direct conversion over a
> superhet?  I know "how" both work, my curiosity is, "What capabilities
> drive a radio like a K4 to use direct conversion?
>
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
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From nv4c.ian at gmail.com  Sun Oct 20 20:27:26 2019
From: nv4c.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 20:27:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
In-Reply-To: <D997F033-1138-4698-AAAB-0D64AE415007@sy-edm.com>
References: <D997F033-1138-4698-AAAB-0D64AE415007@sy-edm.com>
Message-ID: <CAN1Md6GTamzb5D3=7QLcr6NW3buXPJUatb+76J9C3ZzN-XH_PQ@mail.gmail.com>

I advise using caution with any Internet-over-power line solutions. Several
years ago there were companies that tried implementing Internet-over-power
line solutions, especially in Texas. Hams fought them tooth and nail (and
won) because these solutions caused so much RFI they left ham radio useless.

Just my two cents' worth. Good luck finding a solution to your challenge.

73 de,

Ian, NV4C

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 8:04 PM a45wg <ts2018 at sy-edm.com> wrote:

> Fellow Elecrafters,
>                                                 I am trying to extend the
> wifi based internet coverage in my property. Alas it has very thick
> concrete walls with lots of re-bar in them, which is good for the odd
> earthquake - but not so much for wifi.
>
>         I am trying to avoid at all costs of drilling holes in the walls
> and using ethernet/Fibre/coax etc... With the effect that I havebeen
> looking at wifi range extending.
>
>         I am familiar (and not that impressed with Wifi extenders) but I
> have been looking at Powerline Extenders - which looks like a clever
> solution - but one which sound like it should have a QRM-Health warning to
> all Hams written all over it.
>
>         So does anyone use Powerline Wifi extenders ?
>         If so - any issues ...
>         Any models you would recommend (or suggest to avoid)
>
> If you would like to read more on this technology the following link
> should get you started ...
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug
>
> With this example from TP as to how they can be used
>
> https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/powerline/tl-pa9020-kit/
>
> Many thanks
>
>     Tim
>
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From nv4c.ian at gmail.com  Sun Oct 20 20:36:08 2019
From: nv4c.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 20:36:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
In-Reply-To: <DD5BE3BC-EAEF-4ACB-B109-C51C2BC10E0C@sy-edm.com>
References: <D997F033-1138-4698-AAAB-0D64AE415007@sy-edm.com>
	<CAN1Md6GTamzb5D3=7QLcr6NW3buXPJUatb+76J9C3ZzN-XH_PQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<DD5BE3BC-EAEF-4ACB-B109-C51C2BC10E0C@sy-edm.com>
Message-ID: <CAN1Md6HHQfkN9prEnR3bfTwLMp_oOuZBgLQ1HOZRenbz19-=xQ@mail.gmail.com>

Tim,

Glad to help! Remember this was several years ago. Maybe things have
improved. Do your homework before coming to a conclusion. I just remember
all the hub-bub from a few years ago, when Internet-over-power line first
came up.

73 de,

Ian, NV4C

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 8:32 PM T Seed <ts2018 at sy-edm.com> wrote:

> Ian
> that?s exactly what I feared/expected ? Thanks for the confirmation
>
> Tim
>
> On 21 Oct 2019, at 08:27, Ian Kahn <nv4c.ian at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I advise using caution with any Internet-over-power line solutions. Several
> years ago there were companies that tried implementing Internet-over-power
> line solutions, especially in Texas. Hams fought them tooth and nail (and
> won) because these solutions caused so much RFI they left ham radio
> useless.
>
> Just my two cents' worth. Good luck finding a solution to your challenge.
>
> 73 de,
>
> Ian, NV4C
>
> On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 8:04 PM a45wg <ts2018 at sy-edm.com> wrote:
>
> Fellow Elecrafters,
>                                                I am trying to extend the
> wifi based internet coverage in my property. Alas it has very thick
> concrete walls with lots of re-bar in them, which is good for the odd
> earthquake - but not so much for wifi.
>
>        I am trying to avoid at all costs of drilling holes in the walls
> and using ethernet/Fibre/coax etc... With the effect that I havebeen
> looking at wifi range extending.
>
>        I am familiar (and not that impressed with Wifi extenders) but I
> have been looking at Powerline Extenders - which looks like a clever
> solution - but one which sound like it should have a QRM-Health warning to
> all Hams written all over it.
>
>        So does anyone use Powerline Wifi extenders ?
>        If so - any issues ...
>        Any models you would recommend (or suggest to avoid)
>
> If you would like to read more on this technology the following link
> should get you started ...
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug
>
> With this example from TP as to how they can be used
>
> https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/powerline/tl-pa9020-kit/
>
> Many thanks
>
>    Tim
>
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From wa6nhc at gmail.com  Sun Oct 20 20:44:11 2019
From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 17:44:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
In-Reply-To: <CAN1Md6HHQfkN9prEnR3bfTwLMp_oOuZBgLQ1HOZRenbz19-=xQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D997F033-1138-4698-AAAB-0D64AE415007@sy-edm.com>
	<CAN1Md6GTamzb5D3=7QLcr6NW3buXPJUatb+76J9C3ZzN-XH_PQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<DD5BE3BC-EAEF-4ACB-B109-C51C2BC10E0C@sy-edm.com>
	<CAN1Md6HHQfkN9prEnR3bfTwLMp_oOuZBgLQ1HOZRenbz19-=xQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0eaff214-b69d-f0bd-1f5f-53d92b4fd40e@gmail.com>

Look at the data rates too, the last time I looked, it? ...? was ... 
veeeery .... slowwwww....? Then remember that your signal will be 
impacting the power lines to some extent.

I use gain antennas where I can, not further than 50' away, which works 
through extenders (repeaters).? You might want to look at mesh 
networking ($$$) as an option.

I run live video through my WiFi repeaters and if you're careful how you 
set them up (listen only on 5 gHz, transmit only on 2.4 gHz to the main 
router; no SSID broadcast, etc) you can optimize bandwidth, IF the 
device(s) can talk on 5 gHz or plug into the extender directly.

I have 'Hardy board' siding, partly concrete; high loss.

Rick NHC

On 10/20/2019 5:36 PM, Ian Kahn wrote:
> Tim,
>
> Glad to help! Remember this was several years ago. Maybe things have
> improved. Do your homework before coming to a conclusion. I just remember
> all the hub-bub from a few years ago, when Internet-over-power line first
> came up.
>
> 73 de,
>
> Ian, NV4C
>
> On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 8:32 PM T Seed <ts2018 at sy-edm.com> wrote:
>
>> Ian
>> that?s exactly what I feared/expected ? Thanks for the confirmation
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On 21 Oct 2019, at 08:27, Ian Kahn <nv4c.ian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I advise using caution with any Internet-over-power line solutions. Several
>> years ago there were companies that tried implementing Internet-over-power
>> line solutions, especially in Texas. Hams fought them tooth and nail (and
>> won) because these solutions caused so much RFI they left ham radio
>> useless.
>>
>> Just my two cents' worth. Good luck finding a solution to your challenge.
>>
>> 73 de,
>>
>> Ian, NV4C
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 8:04 PM a45wg <ts2018 at sy-edm.com> wrote:
>>
>> Fellow Elecrafters,
>>                                                 I am trying to extend the
>> wifi based internet coverage in my property. Alas it has very thick
>> concrete walls with lots of re-bar in them, which is good for the odd
>> earthquake - but not so much for wifi.
>>
>>         I am trying to avoid at all costs of drilling holes in the walls
>> and using ethernet/Fibre/coax etc... With the effect that I havebeen
>> looking at wifi range extending.
>>
>>         I am familiar (and not that impressed with Wifi extenders) but I
>> have been looking at Powerline Extenders - which looks like a clever
>> solution - but one which sound like it should have a QRM-Health warning to
>> all Hams written all over it.
>>
>>         So does anyone use Powerline Wifi extenders ?
>>         If so - any issues ...
>>         Any models you would recommend (or suggest to avoid)
>>
>> If you would like to read more on this technology the following link
>> should get you started ...
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug
>>
>> With this example from TP as to how they can be used
>>
>> https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/powerline/tl-pa9020-kit/
>>
>> Many thanks
>>
>>     Tim
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From nvjims at gmail.com  Sun Oct 20 22:45:08 2019
From: nvjims at gmail.com (Jim Shepherd)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 19:45:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Re:  P3 SVGA Question
Message-ID: <CA+jbSKa=fuhGzO2aLrk9ihCBgSQ1J3FS1QjEbMjuXLjjH4nQTw@mail.gmail.com>

Yes it is possible to have multiple 'windows' open on a large monitor.  You
will need a svga to hdmi converter to take the signal from the P3 to a
video multiplexer box which uses multiple hdmi inputs. You can set it for
various configurations of the display screen depending upon the video box.
Currently the svgs/hdmi adapters need 5 Vdc from a usb port, and the one on
the P3 does not supply that voltage.. The video boxes usually have a wall
wart. Your monitor needs to have a hdmi input. These are the items that I
use, there may be better ones out there as I set this up a year and a half
ago...

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PAGKZP4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B078NM7S7N/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

73, Jim W6US

From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sun Oct 20 23:29:06 2019
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 06:29:06 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
In-Reply-To: <D997F033-1138-4698-AAAB-0D64AE415007@sy-edm.com>
References: <D997F033-1138-4698-AAAB-0D64AE415007@sy-edm.com>
Message-ID: <14889273-ebfb-9e83-b542-be65b56ace3a@gmail.com>

I have a similar situation. I have a pair of powerline extenders, and I 
was unable to detect QRM from them on 40-10m. My antenna is not that far 
from the building, either.
But from time to time, I lose my connection and have to disconnect and 
reconnect to get it back. Sometimes it can be quite annoying! It does 
not seem to happen only when I transmit, so I don't think it is picking 
up my signal. They are Zyxels.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/


On 21-Oct-2019 02:02, a45wg wrote:
> Fellow Elecrafters, I am trying to extend the wifi based internet
> coverage in my property. Alas it has very thick concrete walls with
> lots of re-bar in them, which is good for the odd earthquake - but
> not so much for wifi.  I am trying to avoid at all costs of drilling
> holes in the walls and using ethernet/Fibre/coax etc... With the
> effect that I havebeen looking at wifi range extending.  I am
> familiar (and not that impressed with Wifi extenders) but I have been
> looking at Powerline Extenders - which looks like a clever solution -
> but one which sound like it should have a QRM-Health warning to all
> Hams written all over it.  So does anyone use Powerline Wifi
> extenders ? If so - any issues ... Any models you would recommend (or
> suggest to avoid)  If you would like to read more on this technology
> the following link should get you started ...
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug
> 
> With this example from TP as to how they can be used
> 
> https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/powerline/tl-pa9020-kit/
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Tim

From kevinr at coho.net  Mon Oct 21 01:12:16 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 22:12:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <61c2d918-0054-779a-c78e-9f18ed0348ee@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? Both bands were fairly quiet with little QSB.? It was nice to hear 
about sunshine when I was sitting in dense fog.? By the way I checked my 
stereo and found I had heard the CW signal when I was listening to 910 
AM.? 910 and 1817 kHz are related.? Now to check K7RAT's propagation 
during the Series.

 ?? It got me thinking about running on 160 meters.? K6TR did mention it 
was contagious.? My elevation should help as well as my lack of 
neighbors.? I need to measure my antenna and see how much to cut off of 
it.? The lowest SWR the ATU can attain is 2.4:1? The local trees could 
act as armatures for a vertical.? I think I can teach a squirrel to 
hoist a line to the top but getting him to jump off a limb to carry it 
back down would take time.? Maybe a bow and arrow and some fishing line.


 ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

K4TO - Dave - KY

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K6XK - Roy - IA

AC5P - Mike - OK

K4JPN - Steve - GA


 ? On 7047.5 kHz at 0000z:

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

K6PJV - Dale - CA

K0JFJ - Nick - TX

K4TO - Dave - KY


 ? I thought of two seasonal events for the end of October.

W0O from Frankenstein, MO

NA5N's Zombie Shuffle from Southern NM the Land of Enchantments

I am sure there are more.

 ?? Until next week stay well,

 ?????? Kevin.? KD5ONS

-



From stuff at ahebden.com  Mon Oct 21 11:14:59 2019
From: stuff at ahebden.com (Andrew Hebden)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 16:14:59 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
In-Reply-To: <14889273-ebfb-9e83-b542-be65b56ace3a@gmail.com>
References: <D997F033-1138-4698-AAAB-0D64AE415007@sy-edm.com>
	<14889273-ebfb-9e83-b542-be65b56ace3a@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00c301d58822$4e5e5bd0$eb1b1370$@ahebden.com>

I used them briefly a few years ago for similar reasons, mainly old solid
walls. 
As Rick said they were slow!
The other big thing I found (bear in mind it was few years ago) was the fact
that they only worked satisfactorily if on the same circuit. i.e. if the
signal went through the consumer unit the RCCBs attenuated it.  I stopped
using the adapters and went for a wired solution using WAPs. There are some
manufacturers that make some WAPS with higher power output which may go
through the walls OK.

Another solution I looked at was TP-Link devices that have the directional
antennas and fit them in the roof spaces pointing downwards through the
timber ceilings etc.
73 Andrew G8BYB


From daveingeb at comcast.net  Mon Oct 21 11:43:17 2019
From: daveingeb at comcast.net (DAVID INGEBRIGHT)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 09:43:17 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 and KTA AUX Cable/Remote
Message-ID: <555015085.47194.1571672597818@connect.xfinity.com>

Just assembled the two units and am very pleased with the Elecraft products. My question is since I do not have the KPA and KTA  connected to a K3 (it's a K'Wood TS-480), do I really need the aux cable between the KPA and KTA? Looks like it contains some band info but not sure if the $40 cable is really necessary. But I am also running the setup by remote control (RRC-1258) and I am having to leave the KPA on STBY all the time so I can communicate via the RS232 interface. I see that pin 8 of the AUX connector is a power on pin if you pull it low momentarily. I have a webswitch and have a pair of contacts where I could do this. Has anyone done this? Does it really power off the KPA and power it back on?
Thanks //Dave WB7ELY

From a.durbin at msn.com  Mon Oct 21 11:59:22 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 15:59:22 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 and KTA AUX Cable/Remote
Message-ID: <BN8PR16MB29623B56CFB932FEC6AE719F8C690@BN8PR16MB2962.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"My question is since I do not have the KPA and KTA connected to a K3 (it's a K'Wood TS-480), do I really need the aux cable between the KPA and KTA?"

Aux cable not required and would, to the best of my knowledge, do nothing in your configuration.   What you probably can do is have the KPA500 poll the TS-480 with IF, FA, and FB and have the KPA500 and KAT500 listen to the replies.  (I only say probably because I assume, but don't know, that the TS-480 supports IF, FA and FB responses.  It works for TS-590 and TS-890).   Elecraft sell a serial cable for exactly this purpose.  Be aware though that KAT500 will only follow VFO A if you use this configuration.  KPA500 will follow the TX VFO regardless of whether that is A or B.

Sorry, but I have no experience with the power up pin.

73,
Andy, k3wyc

From a.durbin at msn.com  Mon Oct 21 12:11:58 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 16:11:58 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 and KTA AUX Cable/Remote
In-Reply-To: <BN8PR16MB29623B56CFB932FEC6AE719F8C690@BN8PR16MB2962.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN8PR16MB29623B56CFB932FEC6AE719F8C690@BN8PR16MB2962.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BN8PR16MB29627EA2CA9E58F96D3A95EA8C690@BN8PR16MB2962.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"Does it really power off the KPA and power it back on?"

The KPA500 states are:

Unpowered - power not connected or rear power switch off.  It does not respond to anything.
Powered but Off - Power is connected and rear power switch is on.  Responds to a few serial commands including power up (I assume also responds to power pin)
STBY - front panel switch is selected On and standby mode is active
OPER- front panel switch is selected On and operate mode is active

Firmware loading mode not included in list.

See KPA500 Programmer's Reference for more detail.

73,
Andy, k3wyc

________________________________
From: Andy Durbin
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 8:59 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: KPA500 and KTA AUX Cable/Remote

"My question is since I do not have the KPA and KTA connected to a K3 (it's a K'Wood TS-480), do I really need the aux cable between the KPA and KTA?"

Aux cable not required and would, to the best of my knowledge, do nothing in your configuration.   What you probably can do is have the KPA500 poll the TS-480 with IF, FA, and FB and have the KPA500 and KAT500 listen to the replies.  (I only say probably because I assume, but don't know, that the TS-480 supports IF, FA and FB responses.  It works for TS-590 and TS-890).   Elecraft sell a serial cable for exactly this purpose.  Be aware though that KAT500 will only follow VFO A if you use this configuration.  KPA500 will follow the TX VFO regardless of whether that is A or B.

Sorry, but I have no experience with the power up pin.

73,
Andy, k3wyc

From jackbrindle at me.com  Mon Oct 21 12:33:04 2019
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 09:33:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 and KTA AUX Cable/Remote
In-Reply-To: <555015085.47194.1571672597818@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <555015085.47194.1571672597818@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <58235CFE-CFE7-440C-92C7-E09CFE13BC06@me.com>

Dave;

You do not need the AUX IO cable. You do need to connect the PTT lines from the transceiver to the cat, then from the KAT to the KPA. Both KPA and KAT will work quite well with RF sensing for frequency.

If you wish to add frequency control from the transceiver, you can connect both KPA and KAT to the TS-480 RS-232 stream. Since you are running a remote station, you most likely do not want the KPA to send prompts to the transceiver for the proper data, but rather allow the computer to handle this.

And, yes, the AUX IO pin works quite well to power on and off the KPA. It is essentially in parallel with the front panel button, which means it must be pulsed and not held or the kPA will not complete its power on sequence. The KPA Programming specification details the commands the KPA responds to both in normal operation and while in soft power-down (bootstrap mode). You can power up the KPA either witth the AUX IO power pin or with a serial port command. I believe it is a single character, be sure to check the specification for details.

73!
Jack, W6FB


> On Oct 21, 2019, at 8:43 AM, DAVID INGEBRIGHT <daveingeb at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Just assembled the two units and am very pleased with the Elecraft products. My question is since I do not have the KPA and KTA  connected to a K3 (it's a K'Wood TS-480), do I really need the aux cable between the KPA and KTA? Looks like it contains some band info but not sure if the $40 cable is really necessary. But I am also running the setup by remote control (RRC-1258) and I am having to leave the KPA on STBY all the time so I can communicate via the RS232 interface. I see that pin 8 of the AUX connector is a power on pin if you pull it low momentarily. I have a webswitch and have a pair of contacts where I could do this. Has anyone done this? Does it really power off the KPA and power it back on?
> Thanks //Dave WB7ELY
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From KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Mon Oct 21 13:37:39 2019
From: KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 10:37:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
In-Reply-To: <CAN1Md6HHQfkN9prEnR3bfTwLMp_oOuZBgLQ1HOZRenbz19-=xQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D997F033-1138-4698-AAAB-0D64AE415007@sy-edm.com>
	<CAN1Md6GTamzb5D3=7QLcr6NW3buXPJUatb+76J9C3ZzN-XH_PQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<DD5BE3BC-EAEF-4ACB-B109-C51C2BC10E0C@sy-edm.com>
	<CAN1Md6HHQfkN9prEnR3bfTwLMp_oOuZBgLQ1HOZRenbz19-=xQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00654eb0-021b-72e1-e46a-36e30994434b@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

We're mixing what the power companies tried to do sending IP over the 
existing power lines to homes, and what the OP is talking about where 
you plug a box into an outlet in one room, plug a box into an outlet in 
another room and it all happens inside the house.

What he wants is room-to-room in his home, not 50 miles down the power 
poles.

Buy the adapters from a reputable source with a good return policy.

They do work, but they very well could raise the RF noise floor.

73 -- Lynn

On 10/20/2019 5:36 PM, Ian Kahn wrote:
> Tim,
> 
> Glad to help! Remember this was several years ago. Maybe things have
> improved. Do your homework before coming to a conclusion. I just remember
> all the hub-bub from a few years ago, when Internet-over-power line first
> came up.
> 
> 73 de,
> 
> Ian, NV4C
> 
> On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 8:32 PM T Seed <ts2018 at sy-edm.com> wrote:
> 
>> Ian
>> that?s exactly what I feared/expected ? Thanks for the confirmation
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On 21 Oct 2019, at 08:27, Ian Kahn <nv4c.ian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I advise using caution with any Internet-over-power line solutions. Several
>> years ago there were companies that tried implementing Internet-over-power
>> line solutions, especially in Texas. Hams fought them tooth and nail (and
>> won) because these solutions caused so much RFI they left ham radio
>> useless.
>>
>> Just my two cents' worth. Good luck finding a solution to your challenge.
>>
>> 73 de,
>>
>> Ian, NV4C
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 8:04 PM a45wg <ts2018 at sy-edm.com> wrote:
>>
>> Fellow Elecrafters,
>>                                                 I am trying to extend the
>> wifi based internet coverage in my property. Alas it has very thick
>> concrete walls with lots of re-bar in them, which is good for the odd
>> earthquake - but not so much for wifi.
>>
>>         I am trying to avoid at all costs of drilling holes in the walls
>> and using ethernet/Fibre/coax etc... With the effect that I havebeen
>> looking at wifi range extending.
>>
>>         I am familiar (and not that impressed with Wifi extenders) but I
>> have been looking at Powerline Extenders - which looks like a clever
>> solution - but one which sound like it should have a QRM-Health warning to
>> all Hams written all over it.
>>
>>         So does anyone use Powerline Wifi extenders ?
>>         If so - any issues ...
>>         Any models you would recommend (or suggest to avoid)
>>
>> If you would like to read more on this technology the following link
>> should get you started ...
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug
>>
>> With this example from TP as to how they can be used
>>
>> https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/powerline/tl-pa9020-kit/
>>
>> Many thanks
>>
>>     Tim
>>
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From dave at ad6a.com  Mon Oct 21 14:02:14 2019
From: dave at ad6a.com (Dave AD6A)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 11:02:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
In-Reply-To: <D997F033-1138-4698-AAAB-0D64AE415007@sy-edm.com>
References: <D997F033-1138-4698-AAAB-0D64AE415007@sy-edm.com>
Message-ID: <85562CE3-E232-430A-85AA-CCFA52BB2C89@ad6a.com>

Hi Tim,

I worked on the Home Power standard from its inception.  I Was able to make sure that none of the ham bands were used at all.  Thus HomePower (or Powerline as it gets called) should be the perfect solution to your problem.

Cheers,
Dave Fifield
AD6A

Sent from my ? iPhone XS (Max)

> On Oct 20, 2019, at 5:04 PM, a45wg <ts2018 at sy-edm.com> wrote:
> 

?Fellow Elecrafters,
                       I am trying to extend the wifi based internet coverage in my property. Alas it has very thick concrete walls with lots of re-bar in them, which is good for the odd earthquake - but not so much for wifi.
                       
   I am trying to avoid at all costs of drilling holes in the walls and using ethernet/Fibre/coax etc... With the effect that I havebeen looking at wifi range extending.
   
   I am familiar (and not that impressed with Wifi extenders) but I have been looking at Powerline Extenders - which looks like a clever solution - but one which sound like it should have a QRM-Health warning to all Hams written all over it.
   
   So does anyone use Powerline Wifi extenders ?
   If so - any issues ... 
   Any models you would recommend (or suggest to avoid)
   
If you would like to read more on this technology the following link should get you started ... 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug

With this example from TP as to how they can be used

https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/powerline/tl-pa9020-kit/

Many thanks

   Tim

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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Mon Oct 21 14:28:30 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 11:28:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Advantages of direct conversion
In-Reply-To: <CAKn+a3s-qTD14W5B2ijRphqeZSoTGEqxAihOaDvg-XLA7brviw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e35e8881-0a29-536e-1ee5-63bb703c5b8c@foothill.net>
	<CAKn+a3s-qTD14W5B2ijRphqeZSoTGEqxAihOaDvg-XLA7brviw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3e59bcf4-22b0-1f68-e283-ae190e464e8e@foothill.net>

Thank you Mark, exactly what I was looking for

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 10/20/2019 5:16 PM, Mark Goldberg wrote:
> You can find a lot of explanations by searching "advantages of direct 
> conversion sdr".
>
> Adam has a good explanation here as it relates to amateur radio:
>
> https://www.ab4oj.com/sdr/apdxc16_sdr.pdf
>
> The K4 page K4FAQ tab has some good info too:
>
> https://elecraft.com/pages/k4-pre-order
>
> 73,
>
> Mark
> W7MLG
>


From k2asp at kanafi.org  Mon Oct 21 17:16:43 2019
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 14:16:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
In-Reply-To: <85562CE3-E232-430A-85AA-CCFA52BB2C89@ad6a.com>
References: <D997F033-1138-4698-AAAB-0D64AE415007@sy-edm.com>
	<85562CE3-E232-430A-85AA-CCFA52BB2C89@ad6a.com>
Message-ID: <f6b0f71e-8d2a-7f8b-b625-26a63e1f7104@kanafi.org>

On 10/21/2019 11:02 AM, Dave AD6A wrote:

> I worked on the Home Power standard from its inception.  I Was able
> to make sure that none of the ham bands were used at all.  Thus
> HomePower (or Powerline as it gets called) should be the perfect
> solution to your problem.
> 

Memories of the old (circa mid-1990s) plug-in telephone line extenders
that we used with dial-up modems where no tel-line was available.  Some
used to work in the 80-meter band.  I thought that those devices were
obsolete by now.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

From w8fn at windstream.net  Mon Oct 21 17:20:22 2019
From: w8fn at windstream.net (Randy Farmer)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 16:20:22 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
In-Reply-To: <D997F033-1138-4698-AAAB-0D64AE415007@sy-edm.com>
References: <D997F033-1138-4698-AAAB-0D64AE415007@sy-edm.com>
Message-ID: <98359077-5111-90f5-1667-848477fe4b5f@windstream.net>

I've been using the TrendNet TPL-40x series of powerline wireless 
adapters for a number of years to get my radio computers (upstairs) on 
the home network and they work just fine. They're not extremely fast, 
but they're certainly fast enough to handle telnet spots, programmed 
file backups, and manual file transfers over the network. When there is 
activity on the powerline network, I can sometimes see a slight rise in 
the noise floor on some bands on my P3. Considering that the antennas 
are all very close to the house and that the SteppIR is something like 
12 feet directly above the station, this isn't too bad. I keep most of 
the routine activity off the powerline path by using a TPL-430 Access 
Point device at the end of the house farthest from the antennas and 
connecting the computers via a local Wi-Fi net it creates. The master 
internet connection? comes via the AP but intra-station things like the 
GHE control all run over the local Wi-Fi link. Works great for me.

73...
Randy, W8FN

On 10/20/2019 7:02 PM, a45wg wrote:
> Fellow Elecrafters,
> 						I am trying to extend the wifi based internet coverage in my property. Alas it has very thick concrete walls with lots of re-bar in them, which is good for the odd earthquake - but not so much for wifi.
> 						
> 	I am trying to avoid at all costs of drilling holes in the walls and using ethernet/Fibre/coax etc... With the effect that I havebeen looking at wifi range extending.
> 	
> 	I am familiar (and not that impressed with Wifi extenders) but I have been looking at Powerline Extenders - which looks like a clever solution - but one which sound like it should have a QRM-Health warning to all Hams written all over it.
> 	
> 	So does anyone use Powerline Wifi extenders ?
> 	If so - any issues ...
> 	Any models you would recommend (or suggest to avoid)
> 	
> If you would like to read more on this technology the following link should get you started ...
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug
>
> With this example from TP as to how they can be used
>
> https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/powerline/tl-pa9020-kit/
>
> Many thanks
>
>      Tim


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Oct 21 18:59:00 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 15:59:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Dual panadapter on K4 at Pacificon
References: <15CFCB9406883BCC.13136@groups.io>
Message-ID: <E5767310-38D3-4A0F-A612-2FF5307E6BAD@elecraft.com>


>> On Oct 21, 2019, at 2:13 PM, Dan Atchison via Groups.Io wrote:
>> 
>> Well, the weekend is over and I haven't seen any news or video on the dual panadapter.  Did I miss something either here or the K3/K3S reflector?
>> 
>> Dan -- N3ND


> From: "N6KR via Groups.Io" 
> 
> I can give you one take on it, Dan. We demonstrated the panadapter and related features dozens of times, and it was clear from comments received that we'd achieved our goal of making dual-pan both visually appealing and easy to use. Hopefully someone else will weigh in with their own take on it.
> 
> Also recently updated and demonstrated at Pacificon:
> 
>  - method for selecting from up to five antennas per receiver
>       (3 ATU antennas, plus RX IN 1 and RX IN 2)
>  - transmit metering, with simultaneous presentation of RF out, SWR, ALC, and compression
>  - unambiguous non-split/split TX indications
>  - date/time and other parametric display settings
>  - high-resolution mini-pan (re-decimates to as narrow as +/- 1 kHz for fine tuning)
>  - new full-text menu system with per-parameter reset to factory value
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 



From rcrgs at verizon.net  Mon Oct 21 19:40:05 2019
From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 23:40:05 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] Side tone, SPOT discrepancy
Message-ID: <343b1ecf-ac7e-91ec-8ca1-0c1b28dcb841@verizon.net>

When using SPOT to have the radio tune to a received signal, the 
following is the result: the radio tunes to the received signal 
correctly as indicated by the CWT graph, but this frequency is some 
50-100cps below the selected side tone frequency. In other words, after 
auto tuning, if PITCH is selected, the side tone pitch is significantly 
higher than the received CW pitch to which the radio has auto tuned 
[hope this is clear]. The particular side tone pitch selected doesn't 
effect this result. EG, select 450cps side tone pitch and the radio 
tunes to around 400cps Note, this is after the radio has been through 
Elecraft maintenance for another problem and subsequently certified as 
operating within specs. What's happening?

...robert
-- 
Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY
rcrgs at verizon.net.usa
Syracuse, New York, USA

From weaverwf at usermail.com  Mon Oct 21 19:44:44 2019
From: weaverwf at usermail.com (Bill Weaver)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 19:44:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] Side tone, SPOT discrepancy
In-Reply-To: <343b1ecf-ac7e-91ec-8ca1-0c1b28dcb841@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <3ebc097d-862d-40b1-a414-fde966ce474f@localhost>

 
 
You don't have the shift off center do you? Of course I've never done that before :-).
 

 
73,
 
Bill WE5P
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
>  
> On Oct 21, 2019 at 19:40, Robert G Strickland via Elecraft  <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>  wrote:
>  
>  
>  When using SPOT to have the radio tune to a received signal, the following is the result: the radio tunes to the received signal correctly as indicated by the CWT graph, but this frequency is some 50-100cps below the selected side tone frequency. In other words, after auto tuning, if PITCH is selected, the side tone pitch is significantly higher than the received CW pitch to which the radio has auto tuned [hope this is clear]. The particular side tone pitch selected doesn't effect this result. EG, select 450cps side tone pitch and the radio tunes to around 400cps Note, this is after the radio has been through Elecraft maintenance for another problem and subsequently certified as operating within specs. What's happening? ...robert -- Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY rcrgs at verizon.net.usa Syracuse, New York, USA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailma!
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Oct 21 20:05:28 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 17:05:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3's binaural pitch-mapping feature
Message-ID: <60DFC84E-742F-429D-8DFF-FE2F5BCD1E67@elecraft.com>

The KX3, like the K3/K3S and KX2, has full stereo audio. But it has one special audio effects mode the others don't: binaural-audio pitch mapping. 

When pitch-mapping is in effect, stations lower in frequency are mapped lower in audio pitch, and higher-frequency signals are mapped higher in pitch. A station tuned to your nominal sidetone pitch would be in the middle. 

This creates an audio "stage," of sorts, where it's easy to pick out different "instruments." The overall effect is to reduce listening fatigue in contests or anytime a band is crowded.

Headphones or dual external speakers are of course required to use PITCH and other binaural audio modes.

To turn on pitch mapping, set MENU:AFX MD to PITCH.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Oct 21 20:11:43 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 17:11:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Morse-audio control feedback on KX2 and KX3
Message-ID: <2DADC275-1057-4FE1-8684-0C362227DB0B@elecraft.com>

At Pacificon I discovered that some long-time KX2 and KX3 users were not aware of the Morse-audio feedback feature. This was provided for blind operators, but it's also useful for mobile, as well as too-tired-to-look-at-the-panel mode (e.g., halfway through Field Day).

To turn on Morse control feedback, set MENU:SW TONE to one of the "CODE nn" settings (nn is the code speed).

When this is in effect:

- Tapping switches or rotating controls emits their setting in Morse. For switch functions, a low tone indicates OFF and a high tone indicates ON.

- Morse feedback of the current VFO frequency can be obtained by tapping DISP.

- SWR and power output are also reported following TUNE or ATU TUNE.

Note for blind operators: We have plain-text versions of the KX2 and KX3 manuals available that physically describe all of the control locations.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


From k1ike at snet.net  Mon Oct 21 20:59:50 2019
From: k1ike at snet.net (JOE)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 20:59:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 186, Issue 20
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5175.1571702740.13236.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.5175.1571702740.13236.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <87088b68-3b17-6669-19a4-6bb1171f8aa1@snet.net>

Subject: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
> Fellow Elecrafters,
> 						I am trying to extend the wifi based internet coverage in my property.

As someone else pointed out, responders are confusing WiFi extenders 
with Broadband over powerline (BPL). You want a WiFi extender that uses 
the building wiring get from point-to-point.

I used one a long time ago and speed was not very good. It depends upon 
what speed you need.

The plugin WiFi extenders probably suffer as the old X-10 remote control 
devices did years ago in that the two units have to be on the same 
110VAC leg. If the two devices are on opposite legs of the 220VAC main 
feed the signal of the X-10 system had to go all the way out to the 
street power transformer and back to the house. The transformer, plus 
line length, attenuated the signal so it did not work. The fix was to 
add a network (capacitor) across the 220 line to make a path for the 
signal. (maybe not up to code). I would imagine that the AC plugin WiFi 
extenders would suffer the same fate.

The sort story is to probably make sure the 2 devices are on the same 
110VAC leg and powered from the same service box.

73, Joe, K1ike



From k9yeq at live.com  Mon Oct 21 21:18:08 2019
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 01:18:08 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 186, Issue 20
In-Reply-To: <87088b68-3b17-6669-19a4-6bb1171f8aa1@snet.net>
References: <mailman.5175.1571702740.13236.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<87088b68-3b17-6669-19a4-6bb1171f8aa1@snet.net>
Message-ID: <BL0PR18MB23067C7CB17DA700720E91039C680@BL0PR18MB2306.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

And know that noise can slow down connection.  There are very nice devices that don't use power lines, cost more but better.


73,
Bill
K9YEQ


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of JOE
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 8:00 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; ts2018 at sy-edm.com
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 186, Issue 20

Subject: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
> Fellow Elecrafters,
> 						I am trying to extend the wifi based internet coverage in my property.

As someone else pointed out, responders are confusing WiFi extenders 
with Broadband over powerline (BPL). You want a WiFi extender that uses 
the building wiring get from point-to-point.

I used one a long time ago and speed was not very good. It depends upon 
what speed you need.

The plugin WiFi extenders probably suffer as the old X-10 remote control 
devices did years ago in that the two units have to be on the same 
110VAC leg. If the two devices are on opposite legs of the 220VAC main 
feed the signal of the X-10 system had to go all the way out to the 
street power transformer and back to the house. The transformer, plus 
line length, attenuated the signal so it did not work. The fix was to 
add a network (capacitor) across the 220 line to make a path for the 
signal. (maybe not up to code). I would imagine that the AC plugin WiFi 
extenders would suffer the same fate.

The sort story is to probably make sure the 2 devices are on the same 
110VAC leg and powered from the same service box.

73, Joe, K1ike


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From reillyjf at gmail.com  Mon Oct 21 22:25:54 2019
From: reillyjf at gmail.com (John Reilly)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 20:25:54 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] FS: 500 Hz Roofing Filter
Message-ID: <96b8d9fc-03b2-5a17-f1b6-5929a1ce72b7@gmail.com>

KFL3A-500 500 Hz 5-pole roofing filter for sale. $110, including USPS 
shipping. US only. PayPal preferred.

From rcrgs at verizon.net  Mon Oct 21 22:44:46 2019
From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 02:44:46 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] Side tone, SPOT discrepancy
In-Reply-To: <343b1ecf-ac7e-91ec-8ca1-0c1b28dcb841@verizon.net>
References: <343b1ecf-ac7e-91ec-8ca1-0c1b28dcb841@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <79033a99-067b-3f3f-d341-2d2890e530df@verizon.net>

Thanks for the replies. No, CW is not in REV, and radio is not under 
computer control [though it is hooked to the computer for N1MM and 
LPan]. But, the strangeness occurs regardless of side tone pitch, band, 
filter width, filter center, and whatever. I can just ignore the 
selected pitch so long as the actually operating pitch is acceptable and 
tunes right. But... that's an itchy way to do things, and I'd like it to 
be "right."

...robert

On 10/21/2019 23:40, Robert G Strickland via Elecraft wrote:
> When using SPOT to have the radio tune to a received signal, the
> following is the result: the radio tunes to the received signal
> correctly as indicated by the CWT graph, but this frequency is some
> 50-100cps below the selected side tone frequency. In other words, after
> auto tuning, if PITCH is selected, the side tone pitch is significantly
> higher than the received CW pitch to which the radio has auto tuned
> [hope this is clear]. The particular side tone pitch selected doesn't
> effect this result. EG, select 450cps side tone pitch and the radio
> tunes to around 400cps Note, this is after the radio has been through
> Elecraft maintenance for another problem and subsequently certified as
> operating within specs. What's happening?
>
> ..robert

-- 
Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY
rcrgs at verizon.net.usa
Syracuse, New York, USA

From vk4ky at woodtech.net.au  Tue Oct 22 00:13:17 2019
From: vk4ky at woodtech.net.au (Andy Wood)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 21:13:17 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
In-Reply-To: <D997F033-1138-4698-AAAB-0D64AE415007@sy-edm.com>
References: <D997F033-1138-4698-AAAB-0D64AE415007@sy-edm.com>
Message-ID: <1571717597386-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Tim,

I have been setting up my new shack at our remote property. We recently had
a fixed wireless internet connection installed at the house but it was too
far for the wifi signal to reach the shack (~200ft).

I purchased a TP-Link 2-Port Gigabit AV2000 Passthrough Powerline Starter
Kit. So far it is working great with no detectable interference, although at
this time I have only tested on 20 thru 160m. The rural location is very
quiet so I am pretty sure I would know if there was anything nasty being
generated.

BTW - we have three phase power to the house and to the shack. I have tried
the shack end unit on all three phases (whilst leaving the house unit on the
same outlet) and do not notice any change in the internet speed.

Andy  VK4KY



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From ehr at qrv.com  Tue Oct 22 06:39:15 2019
From: ehr at qrv.com (E.H. Russell)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 06:39:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3's binaural pitch-mapping feature
In-Reply-To: <60DFC84E-742F-429D-8DFF-FE2F5BCD1E67@elecraft.com>
References: <60DFC84E-742F-429D-8DFF-FE2F5BCD1E67@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <018601d588c4$f3c85e20$db591a60$@qrv.com>

Does the K4 have binaural pitch mapping?



-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 8:05 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Cc: Elecraft-KX at groups.io
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3's binaural pitch-mapping feature

The KX3, like the K3/K3S and KX2, has full stereo audio. But it has one
special audio effects mode the others don't: binaural-audio pitch mapping. 

When pitch-mapping is in effect, stations lower in frequency are mapped
lower in audio pitch, and higher-frequency signals are mapped higher in
pitch. A station tuned to your nominal sidetone pitch would be in the
middle. 

This creates an audio "stage," of sorts, where it's easy to pick out
different "instruments." The overall effect is to reduce listening fatigue
in contests or anytime a band is crowded.

Headphones or dual external speakers are of course required to use PITCH and
other binaural audio modes.

To turn on pitch mapping, set MENU:AFX MD to PITCH.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Tue Oct 22 08:16:44 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 05:16:44 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3's binaural pitch-mapping feature
In-Reply-To: <018601d588c4$f3c85e20$db591a60$@qrv.com>
References: <60DFC84E-742F-429D-8DFF-FE2F5BCD1E67@elecraft.com>
	<018601d588c4$f3c85e20$db591a60$@qrv.com>
Message-ID: <08FD7008-2FD3-4BE2-B260-A2316A50CB6D@elecraft.com>

Yes. 

Wayne
N6KR

----
elecraft.com

> On Oct 22, 2019, at 3:39 AM, E.H. Russell <ehr at qrv.com> wrote:
> 
> Does the K4 have binaural pitch mapping?
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
> Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 8:05 PM
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Cc: Elecraft-KX at groups.io
> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3's binaural pitch-mapping feature
> 
> The KX3, like the K3/K3S and KX2, has full stereo audio. But it has one
> special audio effects mode the others don't: binaural-audio pitch mapping. 
> 
> When pitch-mapping is in effect, stations lower in frequency are mapped
> lower in audio pitch, and higher-frequency signals are mapped higher in
> pitch. A station tuned to your nominal sidetone pitch would be in the
> middle. 
> 
> This creates an audio "stage," of sorts, where it's easy to pick out
> different "instruments." The overall effect is to reduce listening fatigue
> in contests or anytime a band is crowded.
> 
> Headphones or dual external speakers are of course required to use PITCH and
> other binaural audio modes.
> 
> To turn on pitch mapping, set MENU:AFX MD to PITCH.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Oct 22 14:15:26 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 11:15:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
In-Reply-To: <1571717597386-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <D997F033-1138-4698-AAAB-0D64AE415007@sy-edm.com>
	<1571717597386-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <aca75dd2-5616-2b53-b8eb-d65e0a9b910d@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/21/2019 9:13 PM, Andy Wood wrote:
> I have been setting up my new shack at our remote property. We recently had
> a fixed wireless internet connection installed at the house but it was too
> far for the wifi signal to reach the shack (~200ft).

Remember that the 2.4 GHz band is UHF radio, and has greater range that 
the higher WiFi bands. Some WiFi routers are much better than others. 
It's worth studying the reviews online. Antenna location matters. So 
does mounting the unit so that it goes through windows rather than 
walls, and with line of sight to remote devices. Range can also be 
extended by using a WiFi router that allows for an external gain 
antenna. I have in my stash a couple of vertical antennas that provide 
about 10 dB gain in the horizontal plane.

73, Jim K9YC




From ny9h at arrl.net  Tue Oct 22 14:57:58 2019
From: ny9h at arrl.net (Bill Steffey)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 14:57:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
In-Reply-To: <aca75dd2-5616-2b53-b8eb-d65e0a9b910d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <D997F033-1138-4698-AAAB-0D64AE415007@sy-edm.com>
	<1571717597386-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<aca75dd2-5616-2b53-b8eb-d65e0a9b910d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <8dd590d4-115c-1a89-dea5-0e2bb85da06b@arrl.net>

to extend your connection do look at Ubiquiti products.... They are 
available worldwide.


I currently employ over 20 devices over a three mile area to get 
Ethernet ( broadband)? to my remote location.

Your point to point should work with? 2 devices for under 100$ each in 
the US...

Ubiquiti LiteBeam AC Gen2 LBE-5AC-Gen2 IEEE 802.11ac 450 Mbit/s Wireless 
BRIDGE

AND THESE ARE VERY FAST.....



BILL

On 10/22/2019 2:15 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 10/21/2019 9:13 PM, Andy Wood wrote:
>> I have been setting up my new shack at our remote property. We 
>> recently had
>> a fixed wireless internet connection installed at the house but it 
>> was too
>> far for the wifi signal to reach the shack (~200ft).
>
> Remember that the 2.4 GHz band is UHF radio, and has greater range 
> that the higher WiFi bands. Some WiFi routers are much better than 
> others. It's worth studying the reviews online. Antenna location 
> matters. So does mounting the unit so that it goes through windows 
> rather than walls, and with line of sight to remote devices. Range can 
> also be extended by using a WiFi router that allows for an external 
> gain antenna. I have in my stash a couple of vertical antennas that 
> provide about 10 dB gain in the horizontal plane.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Oct 22 15:23:56 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 12:23:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
In-Reply-To: <8dd590d4-115c-1a89-dea5-0e2bb85da06b@arrl.net>
References: <D997F033-1138-4698-AAAB-0D64AE415007@sy-edm.com>
	<1571717597386-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<aca75dd2-5616-2b53-b8eb-d65e0a9b910d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<8dd590d4-115c-1a89-dea5-0e2bb85da06b@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <220ec146-ad8b-99da-915b-2d812dea1d5f@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/22/2019 11:57 AM, Bill Steffey wrote:
Hi Bill,

I see that these units use Poe for power. I've experienced pretty nasty 
noise with products using this -- it radiates common mode from the 
Ethernet wiring. Have you experienced any issues? Did you do anything to 
suppress noise? How quiet is your radio environment?

73, Jim K9YC


> to extend your connection do look at Ubiquiti products.... They are 
> available worldwide.
> 
> 
> I currently employ over 20 devices over a three mile area to get 
> Ethernet ( broadband)? to my remote location.


From haarsager at gmail.com  Tue Oct 22 15:35:07 2019
From: haarsager at gmail.com (Dennis L. Haarsager)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 15:35:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S DSP firmware
Message-ID: <CAKJw4D3M6WwM-8qHVj95evoLpv5pfVWtVfyMYpYzeBquuHYLVQ@mail.gmail.com>

This pertains to my K3S, s/n 11770, factory-built.  It has worked
beautifully since buying it earlier this year, and was doing so when I
turned it off and disconnected the antenna for this trip.  I also turned
off the power supply.  However, last night when I tried to use it, upon
turning on the radio, it emitted a weird two-tone(ish) beep, and displayed
E 000202 and ERR DSE on the screen.  Pressing the Band button made the
error message change to ERR DVR.  There is no hint of the receiver working.

The proper response from the manual is to reinstall the DSP firmware.  I'm
prepared to do that, but since this was seemingly such an odd and sudden
problem, I'm wondering if before I take a deep breath and reinstall that
firmware, there might be something else I can do or of which I should be
aware in doing so.  I've updated firmware on my K3 before, but this K3S is
just as it came from the factory.

Thanks and 73,
Dennis, N7DH and MM/N7DH
-- 
598 Haley Rd, Kittery Point, ME 03905, USA | Muckhart Mill House, Dollar,
CLK FK147PH, Scotland, UK

From lists at subich.com  Tue Oct 22 15:56:05 2019
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 15:56:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
In-Reply-To: <220ec146-ad8b-99da-915b-2d812dea1d5f@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <D997F033-1138-4698-AAAB-0D64AE415007@sy-edm.com>
	<1571717597386-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<aca75dd2-5616-2b53-b8eb-d65e0a9b910d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<8dd590d4-115c-1a89-dea5-0e2bb85da06b@arrl.net>
	<220ec146-ad8b-99da-915b-2d812dea1d5f@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <7c735c8f-64c1-e871-2d23-da2792cea27b@subich.com>

On 2019-10-22 3:23 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> I see that these units use Poe for power. I've experienced pretty
> nasty noise with products using this -- it radiates common mode from
> the Ethernet wiring.

The typical source of noise with PoE is from the switching supply -
either connected to a power injector or in some terminal device
(e.g. Router/Modem) with the Ethernet cable acting as the antenna.
Common mode chokes on the Ethernet cable as close to the device as
possible should help but experimentation (and replacing the noisy
power supply) will probably be necessary.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2019-10-22 3:23 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 10/22/2019 11:57 AM, Bill Steffey wrote:
> Hi Bill,
> 
> I see that these units use Poe for power. I've experienced pretty nasty 
> noise with products using this -- it radiates common mode from the 
> Ethernet wiring. Have you experienced any issues? Did you do anything to 
> suppress noise? How quiet is your radio environment?
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
> 
>> to extend your connection do look at Ubiquiti products.... They are 
>> available worldwide.
>>
>>
>> I currently employ over 20 devices over a three mile area to get 
>> Ethernet ( broadband)? to my remote location.
> 
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From n1rj at roadrunner.com  Tue Oct 22 16:08:48 2019
From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 16:08:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3's binaural pitch-mapping feature
In-Reply-To: <60DFC84E-742F-429D-8DFF-FE2F5BCD1E67@elecraft.com>
References: <60DFC84E-742F-429D-8DFF-FE2F5BCD1E67@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <57a2311f-16d4-fe70-4ccd-8a0174978b2c@roadrunner.com>

I've tried several times to get this to work on my K3 without result. My
K3 has no AFX Mode selection.

73, Roger


On 10/21/2019 8:05 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> The KX3, like the K3/K3S and KX2, has full stereo audio. But it has one special audio effects mode the others don't: binaural-audio pitch mapping.
> 
> When pitch-mapping is in effect, stations lower in frequency are mapped lower in audio pitch, and higher-frequency signals are mapped higher in pitch. A station tuned to your nominal sidetone pitch would be in the middle.
> 
> This creates an audio "stage," of sorts, where it's easy to pick out different "instruments." The overall effect is to reduce listening fatigue in contests or anytime a band is crowded.
> 
> Headphones or dual external speakers are of course required to use PITCH and other binaural audio modes.
> 
> To turn on pitch mapping, set MENU:AFX MD to PITCH.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Oct 22 16:09:32 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 13:09:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
In-Reply-To: <7c735c8f-64c1-e871-2d23-da2792cea27b@subich.com>
References: <D997F033-1138-4698-AAAB-0D64AE415007@sy-edm.com>
	<1571717597386-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<aca75dd2-5616-2b53-b8eb-d65e0a9b910d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<8dd590d4-115c-1a89-dea5-0e2bb85da06b@arrl.net>
	<220ec146-ad8b-99da-915b-2d812dea1d5f@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<7c735c8f-64c1-e871-2d23-da2792cea27b@subich.com>
Message-ID: <d4c646e6-bba5-8ee3-2cab-e69c74140ac6@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/22/2019 12:56 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> The typical source of noise with PoE is from the switching supply -
> either connected to a power injector or in some terminal device
> (e.g. Router/Modem) with the Ethernet cable acting as the antenna.
> Common mode chokes on the Ethernet cable as close to the device as
> possible should help but experimentation (and replacing the noisy
> power supply) will probably be necessary.

If that is the ONLY source, it might be better to replace it with a 
linear supply of suitable current rating. I wouldn't be certain that it 
is the only source -- perhaps there's some power conversion happening at 
the unit (that is, up on the pole), in which case a choke there would 
also be required.

But that doesn't answer the key question I asked Bill -- is the system 
noisy or not.

73, Jim K9YC



From ny9h at arrl.net  Tue Oct 22 17:07:17 2019
From: ny9h at arrl.net (Bill Steffey)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 17:07:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
In-Reply-To: <d4c646e6-bba5-8ee3-2cab-e69c74140ac6@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <D997F033-1138-4698-AAAB-0D64AE415007@sy-edm.com>
	<1571717597386-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<aca75dd2-5616-2b53-b8eb-d65e0a9b910d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<8dd590d4-115c-1a89-dea5-0e2bb85da06b@arrl.net>
	<220ec146-ad8b-99da-915b-2d812dea1d5f@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<7c735c8f-64c1-e871-2d23-da2792cea27b@subich.com>
	<d4c646e6-bba5-8ee3-2cab-e69c74140ac6@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <c30af4a6-5d80-d4fe-eeb1-5aa930423a05@arrl.net>

some of the ubiquiti poe supplies are noisy...? some not.

Since I have 5 poe access points pointing in different directions, i 
have two? third party power hubs?? one a 24vdc? one a 48 vdc ... both 
carry CE markings as does the last Ubiquiti POE ps I used.?? I do 
remember back a while I did have ferrites on both sides of one early 
switchers.


Also my HF antennas are at at least 50 feet away , with the tower 140 
feet out.

No broadband available for about three miles away.? So much for RURAL 
BROADBAND.

having to deal with a bit of rfi supression is a small price to pay for 
having broadband.

On 10/22/2019 4:09 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 10/22/2019 12:56 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>> The typical source of noise with PoE is from the switching supply -
>> either connected to a power injector or in some terminal device
>> (e.g. Router/Modem) with the Ethernet cable acting as the antenna.
>> Common mode chokes on the Ethernet cable as close to the device as
>> possible should help but experimentation (and replacing the noisy
>> power supply) will probably be necessary.
>
> If that is the ONLY source, it might be better to replace it with a 
> linear supply of suitable current rating. I wouldn't be certain that 
> it is the only source -- perhaps there's some power conversion 
> happening at the unit (that is, up on the pole), in which case a choke 
> there would also be required.
>
> But that doesn't answer the key question I asked Bill -- is the system 
> noisy or not.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
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From josh at voodoolab.com  Tue Oct 22 17:15:54 2019
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 14:15:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
In-Reply-To: <8dd590d4-115c-1a89-dea5-0e2bb85da06b@arrl.net>
References: <D997F033-1138-4698-AAAB-0D64AE415007@sy-edm.com>
	<1571717597386-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<aca75dd2-5616-2b53-b8eb-d65e0a9b910d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<8dd590d4-115c-1a89-dea5-0e2bb85da06b@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <78AA660D-7501-43CA-8B6F-61133F18EB02@voodoolab.com>

I had great luck with a pair of ubiquity bullets. They were 5.4GHz with built in directional antennas. Great range and speed. My neighbor?s DSL was out a few days so I ziptied one to a propane tank pointing at his house about 150? away. Not much obstruction though. He said it was much faster than his DSL!

Also had great success with an Engenius AP. It had 2 external antenna ports for diversity. I used the supplied vertical on one to connect near it, and a patch antenna pointed out a window to another building. Nice thing about Engenius is this ran fairly high power, 1W radio worked extremely well with the directional antenna. 

73,
Josh W6XU

Sent from my mobile device

> On Oct 22, 2019, at 11:57 AM, Bill Steffey <ny9h at arrl.net> wrote:
> 
> to extend your connection do look at Ubiquiti products.... They are available worldwide.
> 
> 
> I currently employ over 20 devices over a three mile area to get Ethernet ( broadband)  to my remote location.
> 
> Your point to point should work with  2 devices for under 100$ each in the US...
> 
> Ubiquiti LiteBeam AC Gen2 LBE-5AC-Gen2 IEEE 802.11ac 450 Mbit/s Wireless BRIDGE
> 
> AND THESE ARE VERY FAST.....
> 


From josh at voodoolab.com  Tue Oct 22 17:24:36 2019
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 14:24:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
In-Reply-To: <220ec146-ad8b-99da-915b-2d812dea1d5f@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <D997F033-1138-4698-AAAB-0D64AE415007@sy-edm.com>
	<1571717597386-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<aca75dd2-5616-2b53-b8eb-d65e0a9b910d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<8dd590d4-115c-1a89-dea5-0e2bb85da06b@arrl.net>
	<220ec146-ad8b-99da-915b-2d812dea1d5f@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <8631F31A-7304-44B4-B062-A5916DD38888@voodoolab.com>

I ran 50? CAT5 with POE to the propane tank where the ubiquity link radio was hung. That?s maybe 80-90? from my 6m EME array and heard nothing. The CAT5 was due north so not a direction the array was ever pointed and I didn?t go looking for trouble! But I?m pretty quiet, on a good day with some elevation radio is at S0 with preamp on. 

No idea how consistent their power adapters are or if they?ve changed suppliers. 

73
Josh W6XU


Sent from my mobile device

> On Oct 22, 2019, at 12:23 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> 
> On 10/22/2019 11:57 AM, Bill Steffey wrote:
> Hi Bill,
> 
> I see that these units use Poe for power. I've experienced pretty nasty noise with products using this -- it radiates common mode from the Ethernet wiring. Have you experienced any issues? Did you do anything to suppress noise? How quiet is your radio environment?
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
> 


From josh at voodoolab.com  Tue Oct 22 17:31:10 2019
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 14:31:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Powerline Wifi extenders
In-Reply-To: <d4c646e6-bba5-8ee3-2cab-e69c74140ac6@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <D997F033-1138-4698-AAAB-0D64AE415007@sy-edm.com>
	<1571717597386-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<aca75dd2-5616-2b53-b8eb-d65e0a9b910d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<8dd590d4-115c-1a89-dea5-0e2bb85da06b@arrl.net>
	<220ec146-ad8b-99da-915b-2d812dea1d5f@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<7c735c8f-64c1-e871-2d23-da2792cea27b@subich.com>
	<d4c646e6-bba5-8ee3-2cab-e69c74140ac6@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <BFAE7BAA-7C36-4875-83D1-03FFA14EA014@voodoolab.com>

The Ubiquity product uses a little power supply which includes the injector. The connections are AC line, and ethernet in/out. So to replace the power supply you?ve got a bit more of a project. Buy them from amazon. Test for noise. Return if necessary and get something else! Much easier than re-engineering a bad design. 

Josh

Sent from my mobile device

> On Oct 22, 2019, at 1:09 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 10/22/2019 12:56 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>> The typical source of noise with PoE is from the switching supply -
>> either connected to a power injector or in some terminal device
>> (e.g. Router/Modem) with the Ethernet cable acting as the antenna.
>> Common mode chokes on the Ethernet cable as close to the device as
>> possible should help but experimentation (and replacing the noisy
>> power supply) will probably be necessary.
> 
> If that is the ONLY source, it might be better to replace it with a linear supply of suitable current rating. I wouldn't be certain that it is the only source -- perhaps there's some power conversion happening at the unit (that is, up on the pole), in which case a choke there would also be required.
> 
> But that doesn't answer the key question I asked Bill -- is the system noisy or not.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 


From dmboresz at gmail.com  Tue Oct 22 19:44:52 2019
From: dmboresz at gmail.com (Dale Boresz)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 19:44:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3's binaural pitch-mapping feature
In-Reply-To: <57a2311f-16d4-fe70-4ccd-8a0174978b2c@roadrunner.com>
References: <60DFC84E-742F-429D-8DFF-FE2F5BCD1E67@elecraft.com>
	<57a2311f-16d4-fe70-4ccd-8a0174978b2c@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <CAPkaV9A1adb=uc9DFaK=LZEqa5p1aTcSZX3C1Ri+q7vT2NZB=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Roger,

The AFX mode button on the K3/K3S turns the previously-selected 'AFX Mode'
On and Off. You select the desired mode via the "MENU > AFX MD" option;
NOTE: it's the 'MENU' and not 'CONFIG' option. You should see choices of:
delay 1 through delay 5, and bin. These are described in the manual, but
the delay modes provide a "pseudo stereo" acoustic image with the 'image
width' proportional to the delay #. I think the 'bin' option reverses the
phase on one channel with respect to the other, which changes the 'mono'
image to a more 'out of head' image. To experiment in real-time, engage
your AFX button, and then evoke the 'MENU > AFX MD' option and try the
various settings as you listen to the band. It's probably obvious, but the
best way to hear and make use of this functionality is by wearing
headphones or to a lesser degree by sitting in the 'sweet spot' between
your external Left and Right speakers.

Have fun!

73,
Dale - WA8SRA

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 4:10 PM Roger D Johnson <n1rj at roadrunner.com> wrote:

> I've tried several times to get this to work on my K3 without result. My
> K3 has no AFX Mode selection.
>
> 73, Roger
>
>
> On 10/21/2019 8:05 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> > The KX3, like the K3/K3S and KX2, has full stereo audio. But it has one
> special audio effects mode the others don't: binaural-audio pitch mapping.
> >
> > When pitch-mapping is in effect, stations lower in frequency are mapped
> lower in audio pitch, and higher-frequency signals are mapped higher in
> pitch. A station tuned to your nominal sidetone pitch would be in the
> middle.
> >
> > This creates an audio "stage," of sorts, where it's easy to pick out
> different "instruments." The overall effect is to reduce listening fatigue
> in contests or anytime a band is crowded.
> >
> > Headphones or dual external speakers are of course required to use PITCH
> and other binaural audio modes.
> >
> > To turn on pitch mapping, set MENU:AFX MD to PITCH.
> >
> > 73,
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
> >
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From n4zr at comcast.net  Wed Oct 23 07:59:48 2019
From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 07:59:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500: Widely varying drive requirement - same
 frequency, different antenna
Message-ID: <0747a0c1-eca7-17d6-d2e5-8849c36bbe02@comcast.net>

I have two 40M antennas, a Carolina Windom and a full-wave parasitic 
sloper.? I have just noticed that on any given frequency, my K3 must 
deliver considerably more power on one than the other, in order for the 
amp to produce 1500 watts.? The difference is 27 watts on one vs 42 
watts on the other.? Is this normal?

-- 

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.


From n4zr at comcast.net  Wed Oct 23 12:16:46 2019
From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 12:16:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500: Widely varying drive requirement - same
 frequency, different antenna
In-Reply-To: <4a372f61-f7fa-60cc-28af-011ea415acb3@blomand.net>
References: <0747a0c1-eca7-17d6-d2e5-8849c36bbe02@comcast.net>
	<4a372f61-f7fa-60cc-28af-011ea415acb3@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <baf7669b-6d81-8f55-8538-17f63ae91979@comcast.net>

Thanks to everyone who replied, either directly or on the list.? I'm 
sorry, but I forgot to mention one key fact - I was running the amp's 
ATU with both of these antennas.? Assuming that the amp's power output 
measurement is done at the input of the ATU and not the output, and that 
the ATU settings for the two antennas ( ATU rRetune SWR and ATU Stop Tun 
SWR ) are identical, this really does look to me like a difference in 
amplifier gain rather than measurement error.

The antennas are clearly a lot different - in fact the Windom will often 
throw a Reflected Power fault when I first switch to it - but it seems 
to me that after the ATU they should look the same.

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

On 10/23/2019 9:55 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Pete:
>
> The fact it requires more drive with one antenna as opposed to another 
> says the two antennas do not have the same impedance. This is not at 
> all unusual.? Power measurements, with the methods used in ham radio 
> applications, are based on voltage measurements with the impedance 
> presumed to be 50 ohms.?? Ohms law says P = E?/R thus any change in R 
> {impedance} will cause a change in Power indicated or measured at a 
> given point.
>
> A second factor is SWR which is an indication of the relative 
> impedance between the source {amp} and the load {antenna}.? In this 
> case, as example, a 1.5:1 SWR can be 75 ohms or it can be 33 ohms.? 
> SWR and Power meters are calibrated for 50 ohms and are based on 
> voltage on the feed line.? Again we see that the impedance or the R 
> part being different will affect the Power. In order to deliver the 
> same power into a 33 ohm load, the amp is required to deliver more 
> current and thus more drive is required.
>
> From an RF measurement at a given point with different impedance's we 
> find:
>
> 1500 watts into 75 ohms is 335 volts with a current of 4.47 amps
>
> 1500 watts into 50 ohms is 273 volts with a current of 5.47 amps
>
> 1500 watts into 33 ohms is 222 volts with a current of 6.74 amps
>
> From the above one can see the amp is required to deliver more current 
> into a lower impedance and to do so will require more drive power. And 
> from the above, one can see the voltage on the feed line is different 
> with different loads.? In this regard, in as much as we measure power 
> as a voltage with a known resistance the power measurements can be in 
> error. ? Our power indicating devices are calibrated for 50 ohms. ? 
> Any deviation from 50 ohms will thus cause an error in power indication.
>
> A third component of SWR and Power measurements would be Common Mode 
> Current on the feed line. This is usually current induced on the 
> outside of the feed line from the power radiated from the antenna.? 
> This common mode current is not measured by our power indicating 
> instruments.?? As a side note, Windom antennas are noted to exhibit 
> high Common Mode Current conditions.? The solution for CMC is to have 
> a good Common Mode Choke at the feed point of the antenna, where the 
> feed line connects, and also at the station end.
>
> Jim, K9YC, has and excellent paper on the topic: 
> http://audiosystemsgroup.com/2018Cookbook.pdf
>
> Also, Rick, DJ0IP has a lot of valid information on his site:
>
> http://www.dj0ip.de/balun-stuff/
>
> http://www.dj0ip.de/rf-cmc-chokes/
>
> Now after all of this is said and done, I'd say your results with your 
> KPA1500 are normal.?? Hence the reason for the variation in drive is 
> due to the load impedance presented to the amp and the power 
> measurement method.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
>
> On 10/23/2019 6:59 AM, N4ZR wrote:
>> I have two 40M antennas, a Carolina Windom and a full-wave parasitic 
>> sloper.? I have just noticed that on any given frequency, my K3 must 
>> deliver considerably more power on one than the other, in order for 
>> the amp to produce 1500 watts.? The difference is 27 watts on one vs 
>> 42 watts on the other.? Is this normal?
>>
>
>
>

From jim at rhodesend.net  Wed Oct 23 13:24:31 2019
From: jim at rhodesend.net (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 12:24:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500: Widely varying drive requirement - same
 frequency, different antenna
In-Reply-To: <baf7669b-6d81-8f55-8538-17f63ae91979@comcast.net>
References: <0747a0c1-eca7-17d6-d2e5-8849c36bbe02@comcast.net>
	<4a372f61-f7fa-60cc-28af-011ea415acb3@blomand.net>
	<baf7669b-6d81-8f55-8538-17f63ae91979@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4anDWdxQ9CXKeBiqUCdHVoxhr5RVYa=wzCPQ1P=869LFw@mail.gmail.com>

Actually the fact that you were using the internal tuner doesn't change the
chance that with the settings on the auto tuner don't tell you which
direction the tuning of a certain antenna approach unity from. So there
could be twice the variation allowed between the 2 antennas. So if one is
coming from high impedance and stops at say 1.2:1 and the other is coming
from low and stops at 1.2:1 then there is still a considerable difference
between them. Putting an analyser on them to see the starting point the
tuner is working on could explain a lot.

Jim Rhodes
K0XU

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 11:17 N4ZR <n4zr at comcast.net> wrote:

> Thanks to everyone who replied, either directly or on the list.  I'm
> sorry, but I forgot to mention one key fact - I was running the amp's
> ATU with both of these antennas.  Assuming that the amp's power output
> measurement is done at the input of the ATU and not the output, and that
> the ATU settings for the two antennas ( ATU rRetune SWR and ATU Stop Tun
> SWR ) are identical, this really does look to me like a difference in
> amplifier gain rather than measurement error.
>
> The antennas are clearly a lot different - in fact the Windom will often
> throw a Reflected Power fault when I first switch to it - but it seems
> to me that after the ATU they should look the same.
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
> at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
> spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
> For spots, please use your favorite
> "retail" DX cluster.
>
> On 10/23/2019 9:55 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> > Pete:
> >
> > The fact it requires more drive with one antenna as opposed to another
> > says the two antennas do not have the same impedance. This is not at
> > all unusual.  Power measurements, with the methods used in ham radio
> > applications, are based on voltage measurements with the impedance
> > presumed to be 50 ohms.   Ohms law says P = E?/R thus any change in R
> > {impedance} will cause a change in Power indicated or measured at a
> > given point.
> >
> > A second factor is SWR which is an indication of the relative
> > impedance between the source {amp} and the load {antenna}.  In this
> > case, as example, a 1.5:1 SWR can be 75 ohms or it can be 33 ohms.
> > SWR and Power meters are calibrated for 50 ohms and are based on
> > voltage on the feed line.  Again we see that the impedance or the R
> > part being different will affect the Power. In order to deliver the
> > same power into a 33 ohm load, the amp is required to deliver more
> > current and thus more drive is required.
> >
> > From an RF measurement at a given point with different impedance's we
> > find:
> >
> > 1500 watts into 75 ohms is 335 volts with a current of 4.47 amps
> >
> > 1500 watts into 50 ohms is 273 volts with a current of 5.47 amps
> >
> > 1500 watts into 33 ohms is 222 volts with a current of 6.74 amps
> >
> > From the above one can see the amp is required to deliver more current
> > into a lower impedance and to do so will require more drive power. And
> > from the above, one can see the voltage on the feed line is different
> > with different loads.  In this regard, in as much as we measure power
> > as a voltage with a known resistance the power measurements can be in
> > error.   Our power indicating devices are calibrated for 50 ohms.
> > Any deviation from 50 ohms will thus cause an error in power indication.
> >
> > A third component of SWR and Power measurements would be Common Mode
> > Current on the feed line. This is usually current induced on the
> > outside of the feed line from the power radiated from the antenna.
> > This common mode current is not measured by our power indicating
> > instruments.   As a side note, Windom antennas are noted to exhibit
> > high Common Mode Current conditions.  The solution for CMC is to have
> > a good Common Mode Choke at the feed point of the antenna, where the
> > feed line connects, and also at the station end.
> >
> > Jim, K9YC, has and excellent paper on the topic:
> > http://audiosystemsgroup.com/2018Cookbook.pdf
> >
> > Also, Rick, DJ0IP has a lot of valid information on his site:
> >
> > http://www.dj0ip.de/balun-stuff/
> >
> > http://www.dj0ip.de/rf-cmc-chokes/
> >
> > Now after all of this is said and done, I'd say your results with your
> > KPA1500 are normal.   Hence the reason for the variation in drive is
> > due to the load impedance presented to the amp and the power
> > measurement method.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Bob, K4TAX
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/23/2019 6:59 AM, N4ZR wrote:
> >> I have two 40M antennas, a Carolina Windom and a full-wave parasitic
> >> sloper.  I have just noticed that on any given frequency, my K3 must
> >> deliver considerably more power on one than the other, in order for
> >> the amp to produce 1500 watts.  The difference is 27 watts on one vs
> >> 42 watts on the other.  Is this normal?
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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From ken at nicelyweb.com  Wed Oct 23 16:03:37 2019
From: ken at nicelyweb.com (Ken Nicely)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 16:03:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 For Sale
Message-ID: <CABMgcaLFxjyWLkyWfA0O+Sr5TwA1JXmNw1QND7_Xe0A4RwH3rQ@mail.gmail.com>

I am selling my KX3 transceiver.

KX3      KX3-K 160-6 M Transceiver
KXAT3  Internal automatic antenna tuner
KXBC3  Internal NiMH Charger/Clock
KXFL3   KXFL3 Dual-Passband Roofing Filter
KXPD3  KXPD3 Precision Keyer Paddle
MH3      MH3 Hand Microphone
KX3-PCKT  Cable Kit
KXUSBa USB Cable
Power Cable
Soft Case

I am the original owner.

Asking $1100.00 shipped CONUS.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/oG7jeYb3YsuKAz1EA

Please respond directly to ken at nicelyweb.com if interested.

Ken Nicely KE3C

From byron at n6nul.org  Wed Oct 23 20:29:07 2019
From: byron at n6nul.org (Byron Servies)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 18:29:07 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - Hot Air Soldering Guns for SMDs
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Years ago QST had an article on calibrating and using a toaster oven
and a multi-meter with a k-type probe for reflow soldering.  I have
been using that successfully for years, for about $35.

73, Byron N6NUL

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 5:16 PM Gwen Patton <ardrhi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I was a backer for the ReflowR computer controlled SMD hot plate a few
> years ago. I had to cough up a little extra for shipping because the
> creator munged up his figures and didn't leave enough for shipping, and was
> selling the things on Tindie to build up cash to send units to his backers
> -- which caused people to get really cheesed off at him. I did get my
> ReflowR, however, one with built in Wi-Fi for control with an app, or it
> has a bunch of preconfigured profiles in it for most reflow jobs. This was
> before ovens like the one you got were available so cheap, so there's only
> a LITTLE buyer's remorse.
>
> It DOES work pretty well, though. Combined with my I-Extruder pen for
> applying solder paste, it makes SMD work much easier. The I-Extruder can be
> used as a vacuum pick-and-place tool as well, or for applying flux in
> controlled amounts. Since I don't work a lot with SMD yet, I use it for
> applying Amtech Tacky Flux (Thank you, Louis Rossmann!) to my thru-hole
> components for good soldering with much less flux application mess.
>
> I also have one of those cheap Chinese WEP hot air reflow stations. Cost me
> $60 on Amazon, and it works like a champ. I use it primarily for
> heat-shrink, though. Used with that marine-grade heat shrink that's lined
> with hot glue, it's a total wizard's tool.
>
> 73,
> Gwen, NG3P
>
> On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 7:01 PM Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I have a well used hot air gun (OK Industries SMT-1160) but I use my Metcal
> > iron and hot tweezers a lot more. They have an infinite selection of tips
> > for almost anything. They are expensive though, even used.
> >
> > For us old farts with unsteady hands and bad eyes, a vacuum pickup, lots of
> > tweezers and a binocular microscope are a huge help. A flux bottle with a
> > dispensing needle tip and a bottle of Isopropyl  Alcohol are musts too. I
> > have some tiny solder, solder wick and solder paste for my reflow oven. The
> > reflow oven is the bees knees if you are building a lot.
> >
> > Youth and delicate hands also helps, I have neither but I get by.
> >
> > Look at my qrz.com page for my setup and links to more info.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Mark
> > W7MLG
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 12:33 PM Dauer, Edward <edauer at law.du.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > I am thinking about trying my hand at building a kit with a bunch of
> > > SMDs.  I don?t yet know the gauge.  Any suggestions about the brand or
> > type
> > > of hot air soldering gun I should buy?  Any other tools I?ll need, like
> > > narrow-gauge solder, wicks, whatever?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Ted, KN1CBR
> > >
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From k9ma at sdellington.us  Wed Oct 23 20:53:28 2019
From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 19:53:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500: Widely varying drive requirement - same
 frequency, different antenna
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Based on my experience, the KPA1500 is very sensitive to small changes 
in load impedance (SWR) with respect to power gain and current. The ATU 
software is much better than it started out, but still sometimes doesn't 
get below 1.2:1. That could result in the kind of power gain variation 
Pete is seeing.

73,
Scott K9MA


On 10/23/2019 12:24, Jim Rhodes wrote:
> Actually the fact that you were using the internal tuner doesn't change the
> chance that with the settings on the auto tuner don't tell you which
> direction the tuning of a certain antenna approach unity from. So there
> could be twice the variation allowed between the 2 antennas. So if one is
> coming from high impedance and stops at say 1.2:1 and the other is coming
> from low and stops at 1.2:1 then there is still a considerable difference
> between them. Putting an analyser on them to see the starting point the
> tuner is working on could explain a lot.
>
> Jim Rhodes
> K0XU
>
> On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 11:17 N4ZR <n4zr at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Thanks to everyone who replied, either directly or on the list.  I'm
>> sorry, but I forgot to mention one key fact - I was running the amp's
>> ATU with both of these antennas.  Assuming that the amp's power output
>> measurement is done at the input of the ATU and not the output, and that
>> the ATU settings for the two antennas ( ATU rRetune SWR and ATU Stop Tun
>> SWR ) are identical, this really does look to me like a difference in
>> amplifier gain rather than measurement error.
>>
>> The antennas are clearly a lot different - in fact the Windom will often
>> throw a Reflected Power fault when I first switch to it - but it seems
>> to me that after the ATU they should look the same.
>>
>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
>> at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
>> spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
>> For spots, please use your favorite
>> "retail" DX cluster.
>>
>> On 10/23/2019 9:55 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>>> Pete:
>>>
>>> The fact it requires more drive with one antenna as opposed to another
>>> says the two antennas do not have the same impedance. This is not at
>>> all unusual.  Power measurements, with the methods used in ham radio
>>> applications, are based on voltage measurements with the impedance
>>> presumed to be 50 ohms.   Ohms law says P = E?/R thus any change in R
>>> {impedance} will cause a change in Power indicated or measured at a
>>> given point.
>>>
>>> A second factor is SWR which is an indication of the relative
>>> impedance between the source {amp} and the load {antenna}.  In this
>>> case, as example, a 1.5:1 SWR can be 75 ohms or it can be 33 ohms.
>>> SWR and Power meters are calibrated for 50 ohms and are based on
>>> voltage on the feed line.  Again we see that the impedance or the R
>>> part being different will affect the Power. In order to deliver the
>>> same power into a 33 ohm load, the amp is required to deliver more
>>> current and thus more drive is required.
>>>
>>>  From an RF measurement at a given point with different impedance's we
>>> find:
>>>
>>> 1500 watts into 75 ohms is 335 volts with a current of 4.47 amps
>>>
>>> 1500 watts into 50 ohms is 273 volts with a current of 5.47 amps
>>>
>>> 1500 watts into 33 ohms is 222 volts with a current of 6.74 amps
>>>
>>>  From the above one can see the amp is required to deliver more current
>>> into a lower impedance and to do so will require more drive power. And
>>> from the above, one can see the voltage on the feed line is different
>>> with different loads.  In this regard, in as much as we measure power
>>> as a voltage with a known resistance the power measurements can be in
>>> error.   Our power indicating devices are calibrated for 50 ohms.
>>> Any deviation from 50 ohms will thus cause an error in power indication.
>>>
>>> A third component of SWR and Power measurements would be Common Mode
>>> Current on the feed line. This is usually current induced on the
>>> outside of the feed line from the power radiated from the antenna.
>>> This common mode current is not measured by our power indicating
>>> instruments.   As a side note, Windom antennas are noted to exhibit
>>> high Common Mode Current conditions.  The solution for CMC is to have
>>> a good Common Mode Choke at the feed point of the antenna, where the
>>> feed line connects, and also at the station end.
>>>
>>> Jim, K9YC, has and excellent paper on the topic:
>>> http://audiosystemsgroup.com/2018Cookbook.pdf
>>>
>>> Also, Rick, DJ0IP has a lot of valid information on his site:
>>>
>>> http://www.dj0ip.de/balun-stuff/
>>>
>>> http://www.dj0ip.de/rf-cmc-chokes/
>>>
>>> Now after all of this is said and done, I'd say your results with your
>>> KPA1500 are normal.   Hence the reason for the variation in drive is
>>> due to the load impedance presented to the amp and the power
>>> measurement method.
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Bob, K4TAX
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/23/2019 6:59 AM, N4ZR wrote:
>>>> I have two 40M antennas, a Carolina Windom and a full-wave parasitic
>>>> sloper.  I have just noticed that on any given frequency, my K3 must
>>>> deliver considerably more power on one than the other, in order for
>>>> the amp to produce 1500 watts.  The difference is 27 watts on one vs
>>>> 42 watts on the other.  Is this normal?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>

-- 
Scott  K9MA

k9ma at sdellington.us


From gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 24 00:01:20 2019
From: gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com (eric norris)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 04:01:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] An ode to K3 #2545--no useful info here
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Due to my mobility issues, I have two stations set up in my house--one with a newer K3S, and one with my old buddy K3 #2545.? Number 2545 has been upgraded over the years several times, and about a year ago I sent her back to the mothership to get the full set of upgrades that became available with the K3S.??
However, for whatever reason--maybe 10 years of fiddling with every single setting, or maybe just that the K3S is in an electrically noisier part of the house--I can still pull signals out of the noise more easily with the old girl. It sounds silly, but I'm really attached to her.? Maybe it's just because she was the first radio I ever owned in nearly a half-century of hamming that was state-of-the art.? Maybe it's because she and her brick-wall roofing filters allowed me to get back on 2m EME when a new, very loud local station completely wiped me off the air with my old radio.? For whatever reason, K3 #2545 will always be my favorite radio.??
I hope we're together for many years to come--even if she gets a K4 sibling eventually.? Thanks, Elecraft.? My apologies for the bandwidth.??
73 Eric WD6DBM

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From ken at nicelyweb.com  Thu Oct 24 07:53:11 2019
From: ken at nicelyweb.com (Ken Nicely)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 07:53:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-KX] KX3 For Sale
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Sold.

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 4:04 PM Ken Nicely via Groups.Io <ken=
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> I am selling my KX3 transceiver.
>
> KX3      KX3-K 160-6 M Transceiver
> KXAT3  Internal automatic antenna tuner
> KXBC3  Internal NiMH Charger/Clock
> KXFL3   KXFL3 Dual-Passband Roofing Filter
> KXPD3  KXPD3 Precision Keyer Paddle
> MH3      MH3 Hand Microphone
> KX3-PCKT  Cable Kit
> KXUSBa USB Cable
> Power Cable
> Soft Case
>
> I am the original owner.
>
> Asking $1100.00 shipped CONUS.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/oG7jeYb3YsuKAz1EA
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> Please respond directly to ken at nicelyweb.com if interested.
>
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From bw396ss at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 24 12:00:32 2019
From: bw396ss at yahoo.com (Bill Wiehe)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 16:00:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Power Rise in WSJT-X Modes
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I recently noticed when operating in any of WSJT-X modes, such as FT8, the power output on the K3starts out lower than what is initially set then rises to the set power level over the first five to eight seconds of transmitting.The power change is not indicated on radios meter, only my external meter(s).I have checked to see if the same thing occurs in other modes (RTTY, CW, SSB, etc) and it does not.?I don't believe it is a K3 issue but I wanted to check and see if perhaps someone else has had a similar experience.Thanks,?Bill - W0BBI

From donovanf at starpower.net  Thu Oct 24 12:23:36 2019
From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 12:23:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Power Rise in WSJT-X Modes
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Hi Bill, 


The problem you're having is typically caused by improper use of the 
PWR and MIC controls to set the desired output power. If you try to 
use the MIC control to set the output power level, the K3 will attempt 
to reach the power level set by the PWR control causing the exact 
symptom you're reporting. 


First set the PWR control to the desired output power. 


Then set the MIC control so that the fifth ALC bar is flickering. 


If you need to change to output power; use the PWR control, never 
the MIC control. 


Good luck! 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 





----- Original Message -----

From: "Bill Wiehe via Elecraft" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
To: "Elecraft at mailman Qth. Net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2019 4:00:32 PM 
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Power Rise in WSJT-X Modes 

I recently noticed when operating in any of WSJT-X modes, such as FT8, the power output on the K3starts out lower than what is initially set then rises to the set power level over the first five to eight seconds of transmitting.The power change is not indicated on radios meter, only my external meter(s).I have checked to see if the same thing occurs in other modes (RTTY, CW, SSB, etc) and it does not. I don't believe it is a K3 issue but I wanted to check and see if perhaps someone else has had a similar experience.Thanks, Bill - W0BBI 
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From scott.manthe at gmail.com  Thu Oct 24 13:46:19 2019
From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 13:46:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 case paint
Message-ID: <89e8c2ef-cb47-03e5-0629-1f1ec1a450c4@gmail.com>

I've got a KX3 in great shape except for a couple of gouges in the paint 
on the back, one on the heatsink and another on the case itself. Does 
anyone sell paint that I can use to "retexture" those areas on the case 
to better match the rest of the case. I'd prefer not to spend $100 or 
more to replace those parts.

73,

Scott N9AA


From w4sc at windstream.net  Thu Oct 24 14:27:26 2019
From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 14:27:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - PX3 Interconnects Lengths
Message-ID: <D9.40.02116.C0DE1BD5@smtp02.aqua.bos.sync.lan>


Has anyone located SHORTER cables for interconnects KX3 ? PX3.  With the lengths supplied there is a big ?wad? of cables remaining and in the way for the above/below stacking  I have.  Eight (8?) cables would more than suffice.
Ben W4SC

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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Oct 24 15:01:50 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 12:01:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - PX3 Interconnects Lengths
In-Reply-To: <D9.40.02116.C0DE1BD5@smtp02.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
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This was intended to allow the PX3 to be placed on either side of the radio, etc. Have you tried tucking the excess underneath the KX3?

Wayne
N6KR


> On Oct 24, 2019, at 11:27 AM, w4sc <w4sc at windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Has anyone located SHORTER cables for interconnects KX3 ? PX3.  With the lengths supplied there is a big ?wad? of cables remaining and in the way for the above/below stacking  I have.  Eight (8?) cables would more than suffice.
> Ben W4SC


From gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 24 16:08:14 2019
From: gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com (eric norris)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 20:08:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 RFI on 12m
References: <1958695472.1740714.1571947694162.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1958695472.1740714.1571947694162@mail.yahoo.com>

My Force 12 C3 antenna is not resonant on 12m.? Using the K3 barefoot, the internal atu tunes the antenna fine.? Bypassing the K3 atu, but still running barefoot into the KPA1500 atu, the KPA atu loses it's mind and goes in and out of TUNE mode uncommanded.? Even though the KPA has found a match, trying to transmit through it at the 100w level is impossible because of the constant retuning.
I have put my small collection of mix-31 ferrites on the antenna output, input, and KPA control line at the KPA, each at a time, with no success.? Any ideas?? I would like to be able to run the KPA at least a few hundred watts to have the proverbial snowball's chance to break the VP6R pileup on 12m CW.
Any useful comments appreciated.
73 Eric WD6DBM

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From k8cxm at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 24 16:18:33 2019
From: k8cxm at hotmail.com (Jim Leder)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 20:18:33 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 problem
Message-ID: <BY5PR02MB6995E93F66A6DD26523421FEEA6A0@BY5PR02MB6995.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Just got back from visiting a friend who has an older K3. After fussing around with RS232 cables, we finally got the firmware updated, it was quite old. But, BEFORE we did the update we knew we had the problem (reason we did the update). So, the update had no bearing on what is wrong
Problem is the VFO B knob has NO effect on anything. He can?t run split by using it even though he is able to do A>B ok. To change the B frequency, he needs to do A/B , change it, then A/B back again. Doing the split will allow it to transmit what?s in B, he just can?t change it with the VFO B control.
Related to this is the inability to enter the config menu and scroll through the options.

Net is the VFO B control does nothing.

I suspect something to do with the alternate VFO encoder or one of it?s connections.

Opinions? Seems to me a visit back to the mothership.

Thanks.

Jim Leder ? K8CXM


From va3mw at portcredit.net  Thu Oct 24 16:24:36 2019
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 16:24:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 RFI on 12m
In-Reply-To: <1958695472.1740714.1571947694162@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1958695472.1740714.1571947694162.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1958695472.1740714.1571947694162@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts6B7d-oUjB2nq0CJnjNE6rCkd=t6FvU-8FGJJnK8ayvxA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Eric

I think you are asking a lot for a tuner to run at any power into a
non-resonant antenna and break a pile up.  :)

You would actually have better success with a 12M dipole then trying to get
a non-resonant beam to direct your signal.

If I was in your shoes, I would quickly toss up a 12M dipole with some
string and bubble gum as you would have a much higher radiated signal.

Mike va3mw


On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 4:08 PM eric norris via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> My Force 12 C3 antenna is not resonant on 12m.  Using the K3 barefoot, the
> internal atu tunes the antenna fine.  Bypassing the K3 atu, but still
> running barefoot into the KPA1500 atu, the KPA atu loses it's mind and goes
> in and out of TUNE mode uncommanded.  Even though the KPA has found a
> match, trying to transmit through it at the 100w level is impossible
> because of the constant retuning.
> I have put my small collection of mix-31 ferrites on the antenna output,
> input, and KPA control line at the KPA, each at a time, with no success.
> Any ideas?  I would like to be able to run the KPA at least a few hundred
> watts to have the proverbial snowball's chance to break the VP6R pileup on
> 12m CW.
> Any useful comments appreciated.
> 73 Eric WD6DBM
>
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From bw396ss at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 24 16:41:45 2019
From: bw396ss at yahoo.com (Bill Wiehe)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 20:41:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Power Rise in WSJT-X Modes
In-Reply-To: <1015465806.265050.1571932832792@mail.yahoo.com>
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 Thank you Frank, W3LPL, as you placed me on the right path. It turns out the mic setting was fine, it was my settings?on the Navigator interface that I must messed up. All is now well.Thanks again,Bill - W0BBI
 
    On Thursday, October 24, 2019, 11:00:32 AM CDT, Bill Wiehe <bw396ss at yahoo.com> wrote:  
 
 I recently noticed when operating in any of WSJT-X modes, such as FT8, the power output on the K3starts out lower than what is initially set then rises to the set power level over the first five to eight seconds of transmitting.The power change is not indicated on radios meter, only my external meter(s).I have checked to see if the same thing occurs in other modes (RTTY, CW, SSB, etc) and it does not.?I don't believe it is a K3 issue but I wanted to check and see if perhaps someone else has had a similar experience.Thanks,?Bill - W0BBI  

From rocketnj at gmail.com  Thu Oct 24 17:17:08 2019
From: rocketnj at gmail.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 17:17:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 RFI on 12m
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts6B7d-oUjB2nq0CJnjNE6rCkd=t6FvU-8FGJJnK8ayvxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts6B7d-oUjB2nq0CJnjNE6rCkd=t6FvU-8FGJJnK8ayvxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <88D3C56B-D19F-4B96-9EBC-76E5BCDDA698@gmail.com>

I have similar weirdness on 60 meters using the tuner in the radio with the amp in standby and amp tuner bypassed.  The amp wattmeter shows 276 watts reflected and the amp tuner keeps trying to automatically engage. 

Something in the amp logic will not allow it to be in pass through but after the radio tuner. I have to have the amp off when running 60 meters. Not a big deal but there is something weird with the SWR detection in the KPA1500 which allows it to take the amp tuner out of bypass. 

Dave wo2x



Sent from my waxed string and tin cans. 

> On Oct 24, 2019, at 4:26 PM, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Eric
> 
> I think you are asking a lot for a tuner to run at any power into a
> non-resonant antenna and break a pile up.  :)
> 
> You would actually have better success with a 12M dipole then trying to get
> a non-resonant beam to direct your signal.
> 
> If I was in your shoes, I would quickly toss up a 12M dipole with some
> string and bubble gum as you would have a much higher radiated signal.
> 
> Mike va3mw
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 4:08 PM eric norris via Elecraft <
>> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> 
>> My Force 12 C3 antenna is not resonant on 12m.  Using the K3 barefoot, the
>> internal atu tunes the antenna fine.  Bypassing the K3 atu, but still
>> running barefoot into the KPA1500 atu, the KPA atu loses it's mind and goes
>> in and out of TUNE mode uncommanded.  Even though the KPA has found a
>> match, trying to transmit through it at the 100w level is impossible
>> because of the constant retuning.
>> I have put my small collection of mix-31 ferrites on the antenna output,
>> input, and KPA control line at the KPA, each at a time, with no success.
>> Any ideas?  I would like to be able to run the KPA at least a few hundred
>> watts to have the proverbial snowball's chance to break the VP6R pileup on
>> 12m CW.
>> Any useful comments appreciated.
>> 73 Eric WD6DBM
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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From ar at dseven.org  Thu Oct 24 18:33:19 2019
From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 15:33:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 problem
In-Reply-To: <BY5PR02MB6995E93F66A6DD26523421FEEA6A0@BY5PR02MB6995.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BY5PR02MB6995E93F66A6DD26523421FEEA6A0@BY5PR02MB6995.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CACDL7B0JBjKWGHZKEh4eBai8aUzNUrCUTdMt7H7R+1rKFFUkNw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 1:20 PM Jim Leder <k8cxm at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Just got back from visiting a friend who has an older K3. After fussing around with RS232 cables, we finally got the firmware updated, it was quite old. But, BEFORE we did the update we knew we had the problem (reason we did the update). So, the update had no bearing on what is wrong
> Problem is the VFO B knob has NO effect on anything. He can?t run split by using it even though he is able to do A>B ok. To change the B frequency, he needs to do A/B , change it, then A/B back again. Doing the split will allow it to transmit what?s in B, he just can?t change it with the VFO B control.
> Related to this is the inability to enter the config menu and scroll through the options.
>
> Net is the VFO B control does nothing.
>
> I suspect something to do with the alternate VFO encoder or one of it?s connections.
>
> Opinions? Seems to me a visit back to the mothership.

... or try to diagnose and fix it yourself. The VFO A and B encoders
are the same, so you could swap them to determine if it's the encoder
that's bad or something else....

73,

    ~iain / N6ML

From john at kk9a.com  Thu Oct 24 21:57:22 2019
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 01:57:22 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 RFI on 12m
Message-ID: <010d01d58ad7$8adf7640$a09e62c0$@com>

I have a C3 that I brought to St Croix and operated as WP2AA. It has no 12m
elements however the manual states it will work on 12m with a tuner although
I am not sure what the pattern would be. I am not a fan of using out of
resonant antennas and do not even have a tuner in any of my K3S's. I wonder
what the C3 SWR is on 12? The KPA1500 specs are for a maximum SWR of 3:1,
perhaps an external tuner is needed?

John KK9A



eric norris WD6DBM wrote:

My Force 12 C3 antenna is not resonant on 12m.  Using the K3 barefoot, the
internal atu tunes the antenna fine.  Bypassing the K3 atu, but still
running barefoot into the KPA1500 atu, the KPA atu loses it's mind and goes
in and out of TUNE mode uncommanded.  Even though the KPA has found a match,
trying to transmit through it at the 100w level is impossible because of the
constant retuning.
I have put my small collection of mix-31 ferrites on the antenna output,
input, and KPA control line at the KPA, each at a time, with no success.
Any ideas?  I would like to be able to run the KPA at least a few hundred
watts to have the proverbial snowball's chance to break the VP6R pileup on
12m CW.
Any useful comments appreciated.
73 Eric WD6DBM


From rocketnj at gmail.com  Thu Oct 24 22:04:48 2019
From: rocketnj at gmail.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 22:04:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 RFI on 12m
In-Reply-To: <010d01d58ad7$8adf7640$a09e62c0$@com>
References: <010d01d58ad7$8adf7640$a09e62c0$@com>
Message-ID: <32CCEAFD-49B4-4F91-9059-4DCBFA2E6631@gmail.com>

I had a C3SS. From what I remember the amp tuner should be able to handle the SWR. I think the pattern on 12 was 180 degrees from normal heading.

Dave wo2x

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 24, 2019, at 9:58 PM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
> 
> ?I have a C3 that I brought to St Croix and operated as WP2AA. It has no 12m
> elements however the manual states it will work on 12m with a tuner although
> I am not sure what the pattern would be. I am not a fan of using out of
> resonant antennas and do not even have a tuner in any of my K3S's. I wonder
> what the C3 SWR is on 12? The KPA1500 specs are for a maximum SWR of 3:1,
> perhaps an external tuner is needed?
> 
> John KK9A
> 
> 
> 
> eric norris WD6DBM wrote:
> 
> My Force 12 C3 antenna is not resonant on 12m.  Using the K3 barefoot, the
> internal atu tunes the antenna fine.  Bypassing the K3 atu, but still
> running barefoot into the KPA1500 atu, the KPA atu loses it's mind and goes
> in and out of TUNE mode uncommanded.  Even though the KPA has found a match,
> trying to transmit through it at the 100w level is impossible because of the
> constant retuning.
> I have put my small collection of mix-31 ferrites on the antenna output,
> input, and KPA control line at the KPA, each at a time, with no success.
> Any ideas?  I would like to be able to run the KPA at least a few hundred
> watts to have the proverbial snowball's chance to break the VP6R pileup on
> 12m CW.
> Any useful comments appreciated.
> 73 Eric WD6DBM
> 
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Oct 24 22:14:46 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 22:14:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 problem
In-Reply-To: <BY5PR02MB6995E93F66A6DD26523421FEEA6A0@BY5PR02MB6995.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BY5PR02MB6995E93F66A6DD26523421FEEA6A0@BY5PR02MB6995.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <8A753768-D591-427F-B760-3264569B85B2@widomaker.com>

If there is a sub-receiver check if the VFOs are linked. 



Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Oct 24, 2019, at 4:20 PM, Jim Leder <k8cxm at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Just got back from visiting a friend who has an older K3. After fussing around with RS232 cables, we finally got the firmware updated, it was quite old. But, BEFORE we did the update we knew we had the problem (reason we did the update). So, the update had no bearing on what is wrong
> Problem is the VFO B knob has NO effect on anything. He can?t run split by using it even though he is able to do A>B ok. To change the B frequency, he needs to do A/B , change it, then A/B back again. Doing the split will allow it to transmit what?s in B, he just can?t change it with the VFO B control.
> Related to this is the inability to enter the config menu and scroll through the options.
> 
> Net is the VFO B control does nothing.
> 
> I suspect something to do with the alternate VFO encoder or one of it?s connections.
> 
> Opinions? Seems to me a visit back to the mothership.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Jim Leder ? K8CXM
> 
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Oct 24 22:28:47 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 19:28:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 RFI on 12m
In-Reply-To: <1958695472.1740714.1571947694162@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1958695472.1740714.1571947694162.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1958695472.1740714.1571947694162@mail.yahoo.com>
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On 10/24/2019 1:08 PM, eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
> My Force 12 C3 antenna is not resonant on 12m.? Using the K3 barefoot, the internal atu tunes the antenna fine.? Bypassing the K3 atu, but still running barefoot into the KPA1500 atu, the KPA atu loses it's mind and goes in and out of TUNE mode uncommanded.? Even though the KPA has found a match, trying to transmit through it at the 100w level is impossible because of the constant retuning.
> I have put my small collection of mix-31 ferrites on the antenna output, input, and KPA control line at the KPA, each at a time, with no success.? Any ideas?

Yes. First, and most important, the place for the common mode choke is 
at the antenna feedpoint, NOT in the shack, and it must be a 
well-designed multi-turn choke. http://k9yc.com/2018Cookbook.pdf

Second, make sure that you entire station is properly bonded, 
chassis-to-chassis of all interconnected equipment, and that operating 
desk bonded to every ground in your home.
http://k9yc.com/GroundingAndAudio.pdf

Also, this is a good time to verify that EVERY  coax connector and 
adapter has its shield well terminated (well soldered or properly 
crimped) and that all solder-type connectors are an Amphenol 83-1SP. 
Make sure that all adapters are Amphenol or have a MIL-spec part number 
stamped on them. Off-brand connectors are often junk, and often cause 
problems like what you're seeing. Also make sure that every connector is 
wrench-tight.

Station design issues like these may not show up at low power but cause 
problems with high power.

73, Jim K9YC

 ? I would like to be able to run the KPA at least a few hundred watts 
to have the proverbial snowball's chance to break the VP6R pileup on 12m CW.
> Any useful comments appreciated.
> 73 Eric WD6DBM
> 
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From john at kn5l.net  Fri Oct 25 06:21:28 2019
From: john at kn5l.net (John Oppenheimer)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 05:21:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 RFI on 12m
In-Reply-To: <1958695472.1740714.1571947694162@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1958695472.1740714.1571947694162.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1958695472.1740714.1571947694162@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <061b269e-770e-4c96-4775-fd73b1d3d264@kn5l.net>

Hi Eric,

What is the measured SWR on 12M?

Way different band, worked VP6R 40M CW using K2 at ~15 watts and ground
plane 19' vertical.

John KN5L

On 10/24/19 3:08 PM, eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
> Force 12 C3 antenna is not resonant on 12m.? Using the K3 barefoot, the internal atu tunes the antenna fine.? Bypassing the K3 atu, but still running barefoot into the KPA1500 atu, the KPA atu loses it's mind and goes in and out of TUNE mode uncommanded

From a.durbin at msn.com  Fri Oct 25 08:15:59 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 12:15:59 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 RFI on 12m
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB29686B31E1100709A7E4A88B8C6A0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"Not a big deal but there is something weird with the SWR detection in the KPA1500 which allows it to take the amp tuner out of bypass. "

I don't know the KPA1500 tuner but all the annoying changes in tuning solution of my KAT500 were fixed by defeating RF frequency detection.  Is your tuner perhaps selecting an adjacent frequency bin for which the stored solution is not bypass?

Andy, k3wyc

From rocketnj at gmail.com  Fri Oct 25 08:36:29 2019
From: rocketnj at gmail.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 08:36:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 RFI on 12m
Message-ID: <4557838E-D7BB-4B13-8488-DF2B9DBD9FA1@gmail.com>

In the KPA1500 utility I have the tuner bypassed for the whole 60 meter band. The tuner?s logic is detecting a high SWR and overriding the bypass selection. This happens at 30 watts forward power. 

The answer is to turn off the amp when on 60 and just use the radio?s tuner. 

Dave wo2x

Sent from my waxed string and tin cans. 

> On Oct 25, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote:
> 

From a.durbin at msn.com  Fri Oct 25 08:57:08 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 12:57:08 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 RFI on 12m
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB29686B31E1100709A7E4A88B8C6A0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29686B31E1100709A7E4A88B8C6A0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
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"Not a big deal but there is something weird with the SWR detection in the KPA1500 which allows it to take the amp tuner out of bypass. "

It also seems possible that the tuning solution change is triggered by "high SWR threshold".   Read the Programming Reference information for commands ^HS; and ^STA; for more info.  If this is the cause then setting ^HS0; may help.  You will need to use the Utility to inspect and change the values.

Sometimes we will accept less than ideal antennas when chasing DX and sometimes we get lucky.

Andy, k3wyc


From billamader at gmail.com  Fri Oct 25 09:25:52 2019
From: billamader at gmail.com (K8TE)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 06:25:52 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 RFI on 12m
In-Reply-To: <4557838E-D7BB-4B13-8488-DF2B9DBD9FA1@gmail.com>
References: <1958695472.1740714.1571947694162@mail.yahoo.com>
	<4557838E-D7BB-4B13-8488-DF2B9DBD9FA1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1572009952296-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

What is a big deal is using the KPA1500 on 60m unless you're using a dummy
load or paper clip for an antenna.  "The 60 meter band has special
restrictions including the restriction of radiated power relative to the
gain of a half-wavelength dipole antenna which is 100 watts PEP."  We need
to keep 60m, not loose it due to abusing its power limit.

The KPA1500 tuner can achieve solutions beyond VSWR's of 3:1, but only if
running reduced power.  See page 18 of the Rev B manual for the VSWR vs.
power curve.

73, Bill, K8TE
KPA1500 S/N 116



--
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Fri Oct 25 12:00:23 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes N7WS)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 09:00:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 RFI on 12m
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts6B7d-oUjB2nq0CJnjNE6rCkd=t6FvU-8FGJJnK8ayvxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1958695472.1740714.1571947694162.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1958695472.1740714.1571947694162@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CA+33ts6B7d-oUjB2nq0CJnjNE6rCkd=t6FvU-8FGJJnK8ayvxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <818311D6-9533-44D0-BB3B-9228FC8DEAA0@triconet.org>

I run a KPA500 and KAT500 into an Ppitbe

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 24, 2019, at 1:24 PM, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Eric
> 
> I think you are asking a lot for a tuner to run at any power into a
> non-resonant antenna and break a pile up.  :)
> 
> You would actually have better success with a 12M dipole then trying to get
> a non-resonant beam to direct your signal.
> 
> If I was in your shoes, I would quickly toss up a 12M dipole with some
> string and bubble gum as you would have a much higher radiated signal.
> 
> Mike va3mw
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 4:08 PM eric norris via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
>> My Force 12 C3 antenna is not resonant on 12m.  Using the K3 barefoot, the
>> internal atu tunes the antenna fine.  Bypassing the K3 atu, but still
>> running barefoot into the KPA1500 atu, the KPA atu loses it's mind and goes
>> in and out of TUNE mode uncommanded.  Even though the KPA has found a
>> match, trying to transmit through it at the 100w level is impossible
>> because of the constant retuning.
>> I have put my small collection of mix-31 ferrites on the antenna output,
>> input, and KPA control line at the KPA, each at a time, with no success.
>> Any ideas?  I would like to be able to run the KPA at least a few hundred
>> watts to have the proverbial snowball's chance to break the VP6R pileup on
>> 12m CW.
>> Any useful comments appreciated.
>> 73 Eric WD6DBM
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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From mails at qrp4fun.de  Fri Oct 25 12:14:01 2019
From: mails at qrp4fun.de (Ingo Meyer, DK3RED)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 18:14:01 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - PX3 Interconnects Lengths
In-Reply-To: <F3A09364-F4EF-4215-BFF5-42C9B338B1E7@elecraft.com>
References: <D9.40.02116.C0DE1BD5@smtp02.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
	<F3A09364-F4EF-4215-BFF5-42C9B338B1E7@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <0bac4286-9322-d42d-cc1c-1830138e1df2@qrp4fun.de>

Hello Wayne,


> This was intended to allow the PX3 to be placed on either side of the radio, etc. Have you tried tucking the excess underneath the KX3?

Only on one side of the KX3 is place for the PX3. On the other side there is the antenna 
jack - at least on my transceiver. ;o) You would have to use an angled plug for the antenna.


73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Fri Oct 25 12:39:31 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 12:39:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - PX3 Interconnects Lengths
In-Reply-To: <0bac4286-9322-d42d-cc1c-1830138e1df2@qrp4fun.de>
References: <D9.40.02116.C0DE1BD5@smtp02.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
	<F3A09364-F4EF-4215-BFF5-42C9B338B1E7@elecraft.com>
	<0bac4286-9322-d42d-cc1c-1830138e1df2@qrp4fun.de>
Message-ID: <6136F5AC-7A2A-49EA-926D-66AED38B2136@gmail.com>

It?s cleaner to use a right angle connector anyway, in my opinion.  Makes for a less clunky install.

Grant NQ5T

> On Oct 25, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Ingo Meyer, DK3RED <mails at qrp4fun.de> wrote:
> 
> Hello Wayne,
> 
> 
>> This was intended to allow the PX3 to be placed on either side of the radio, etc. Have you tried tucking the excess underneath the KX3?
> 
> Only on one side of the KX3 is place for the PX3. On the other side there is the antenna jack - at least on my transceiver. ;o) You would have to use an angled plug for the antenna.
> 
> 


From hs0zed at gmail.com  Fri Oct 25 12:46:45 2019
From: hs0zed at gmail.com (Martin Sole)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 23:46:45 +0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 RFI on 12m
In-Reply-To: <1958695472.1740714.1571947694162@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1958695472.1740714.1571947694162.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1958695472.1740714.1571947694162@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <89c8fba3-4c96-b9f1-2db2-782cf2ccb668@gmail.com>

I use a C3 up at 80 feet it works quite well. I have not really spent a 
lot of time on 12m, really no activity here to make it worthwhile but on 
17m it works rather well despite not being a particularly good match. I 
fixed that by measuring the actual impedance at the end of my feeder 
then adding a foot or so of feeder and cutting a shorted stub to create 
a good match. In my case it's very close to perfect but anything less 
than 1.5:1 I would consider excellent.

An antenna analyser and 5 minutes with the excellent SimSmith program 
can do wonders for your matching worries. Properly sorted at just the 
right point on the feeder with an antenna switch a tee piece and a few 
stubs you could probably get a good match on a bunch of bands though I 
suspect the losses might be a bit high if you try 40m, eek!

The C3 on 17m certainly has directivity albeit 180 degree from the 
regular 20-15-10 antenna.

Martin, HS0ZED






On 25/10/2019 03:08, eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
> My Force 12 C3 antenna is not resonant on 12m.? Using the K3 barefoot, the internal atu tunes the antenna fine.? Bypassing the K3 atu, but still running barefoot into the KPA1500 atu, the KPA atu loses it's mind and goes in and out of TUNE mode uncommanded.? Even though the KPA has found a match, trying to transmit through it at the 100w level is impossible because of the constant retuning.
> I have put my small collection of mix-31 ferrites on the antenna output, input, and KPA control line at the KPA, each at a time, with no success.? Any ideas?? I would like to be able to run the KPA at least a few hundred watts to have the proverbial snowball's chance to break the VP6R pileup on 12m CW.
> Any useful comments appreciated.
> 73 Eric WD6DBM
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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From drsheldonhoward at gmail.com  Fri Oct 25 13:28:55 2019
From: drsheldonhoward at gmail.com (Sheldon Howard)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 10:28:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 for sale
Message-ID: <CAFeE+4LqB1H6YXSu8YQ0-R0GFm+J5o=8iBAideJMPUMBrh9pxA@mail.gmail.com>

I have a 'brand-new' K2, with the SSB option, for sale, serial number 5507.
Why 'brand-new'?
I explain - I finished building the K2 about four years ago. All went well
and the radio tested perfect except I could not get an exact alignment on
40 meters. I spoke to Don Wilhelm and he suggested I send it back to the
factory for a checkout. I did and the problem turned out to be a faulty
component, which Elecraft replaced.
As long as the radio was at the factory I requested, received, and paid for
a complete checkout and alignment of the K2.

Unfortunately, during the three weeks the radio was at the factory I had a
medical issue that prevented me from participating in the hobby that I
loved since I was first licensed in 1951.
So the radio sat on a shelf in a closet, as it does to this day.

I never liked winding toriods so I had ALL the toriods and transformers
professionaly wound.

My actual cost of the K2 kit, with the SSB option, all taxes and shipping
costs, the professionaly wound toriods, as well as the cost of the
inspection and alignment by Elecraft was greater than $1200.
I am asking $1000 for this carefully built, factory aligned and certified
'brand-new' K2.

If interested or if you have any questions, please feel free to text or
call me at: 760-745-0202 <7607450202>.

Sheldon Howard, w6dm

From pe1hzg at xs4all.nl  Fri Oct 25 13:30:19 2019
From: pe1hzg at xs4all.nl (Geert Jan de Groot)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 19:30:19 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 problem (vfoB knob problem)
Message-ID: <d295f4a6-c200-0041-9f53-54558eaddd47@xs4all.nl>

The A and B knob each have identical encoders that use plug-in boards to 
the front panel PCB. Chances are that the encoder isn't connected 
anymore (got loose).

Opening up the front panel should tell. Note that the A and B encoder 
are identical so you can swap them for testing.

Note that assembly of the front panel is quite fussy with distance 
rings, etc. You are well advised to keep notes of how the front panel 
was assembled when you take it apart. It also makes sense to have the 
assembler's manual at hand.

Recent adventures with swapping parts on an older K3 learned that the B 
encoder sits in a little deeper with the new VFO-B knob. As a result, in 
my case, the solder pins were touching (scratching) the front panel PCB. 
I fixed this by cutting the jumper pins flush and putting in some 
isolation, just to be sure.

I don't expect any broken parts, but some disassembly required. When you 
disassemble / re-assemble, be GENTLE with the volume knobs, they are 
known to split on older serial numbers.

Geert Jan

From elecraft.list at videotron.ca  Fri Oct 25 13:40:25 2019
From: elecraft.list at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 13:40:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] A new release of Win4K3Suite is available
Message-ID: <010401d58b5b$497fba50$dc7f2ef0$@videotron.ca>

Hello,
There is a new version of Win4K3Suite available, version 2.016. This release
corrects an issue with the SWR display for European Windows versions.  It
also fixes the display of the power level if the power is less than 12W

Win4K3Suite is a full featured control program for the K3/S, KX3 and KX2.
It has a built in Panadapter that works with LPPAN and a sound card, as well
as the SDRPlay RSP's. It supports the KAT500, KPA500/1500 and the KXPA100 on
most of the above radios.  A unique feature is that is has 6 built in
Virtual Radios, each of which works just like an Elecraft radio.  This
allows sharing of a single COM port with up to 6 applications.  It also has
a built in HRDLogbook server and the EiBi Shortwave database.
You see more information here:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=win4k3suite
and download a fully functional 30 day trial at va2fsq.com.
Read the reviews! https://www.eham.net/reviews/view-product?id=11214

73 Tom
va2fsq.com


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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Fri Oct 25 16:37:16 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 13:37:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 RFI on 12m
In-Reply-To: <818311D6-9533-44D0-BB3B-9228FC8DEAA0@triconet.org>
References: <1958695472.1740714.1571947694162.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1958695472.1740714.1571947694162@mail.yahoo.com> <CA+33ts6B7d-oU
	jB2nq0CJnjNE6rCkd=t6FvU-8FGJJnK8ayvxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<818311D6-9533-44D0-BB3B-9228FC8DEAA0@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <db86b409-4b40-9d25-4cfe-795722b1ec06@triconet.org>

Sorry about that mess; that will teach me to try and respond with an iPhone.

What I was trying to say is that I run a KPA500 and KAT500 into non-resonant 
antennas on all of the WARC bands and still manage to crack pileups.? On 12 and 
17 meters I tune my tiny OB7-3 Optibeam tribander.? Of the current DXpeditions,? 
I've worked VP6R on 19 slots and I work FT8 with great reluctance.? I've worked 
5K0K on 14 of 25 slots without using FT8.? For the recently completed ZK3A 
expedition I worked them of 24 of 37 slots and was on Clublog's stats number 20 
in NA.

I'm pretty sure that I never have the commanding signal in a pileup.? BTW, I use 
a K3S without a second RX and I don't have a separate RX antenna for 160, things 
everybody knows you must have to work DX.? IMHO, knowing how to use the hardware 
you have is more important than having more hardware.

Wes? N7WS


On 10/25/2019 9:00 AM, Wes N7WS wrote:
> I run a KPA500 and KAT500 into an Ppitbe
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 24, 2019, at 1:24 PM, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Eric
>>
>> I think you are asking a lot for a tuner to run at any power into a
>> non-resonant antenna and break a pile up.  :)
>>
>> You would actually have better success with a 12M dipole then trying to get
>> a non-resonant beam to direct your signal.
>>
>> If I was in your shoes, I would quickly toss up a 12M dipole with some
>> string and bubble gum as you would have a much higher radiated signal.
>>
>> Mike va3mw
>>


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Oct 25 17:01:36 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 16:01:36 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 RFI on 12m
In-Reply-To: <db86b409-4b40-9d25-4cfe-795722b1ec06@triconet.org>
References: <1958695472.1740714.1571947694162.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1958695472.1740714.1571947694162@mail.yahoo.com> <CA+33ts6B7d-oU
	jB2nq0CJnjNE6rCkd=t6FvU-8FGJJnK8ayvxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<818311D6-9533-44D0-BB3B-9228FC8DEAA0@triconet.org>
	<db86b409-4b40-9d25-4cfe-795722b1ec06@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <bdf05d3c-0460-4f34-2311-0db8d603a2dd@blomand.net>

Except for my 6M yagi, all of my antennas are non-resonant antennas.?? 
My favorite is the 256 ft center fed wire {resonant at 1.825 MHz}? with 
a balanced feed.? The? balanced feed runs from the feed-point on the 
antenna all the way to the hybrid Guanella 4:1 balun that sits on the 
shelf just above the KAT500.? The coax jumper from the balun to the 
KAT500 is about 12" in length. ? Thus the balanced line comes in all the 
way to the operating position. ?? This configuration will work all 
bands,? 160M - 6M with ease. And there are NO RFI issues with the KPA500 
and the KAT-500 at 500 watts.

I find most hams cut an antenna length by formula, leave a few inches to 
trim, and then trim for best SWR.?? This does not make a resonant 
antenna.??? A resonant antenna is resonant depending on its electrical 
length based on frequency.?? SWR and Impedance should be addressed by 
means than trimming the length.?? Height above ground affects impedance.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 10/25/2019 3:37 PM, Wes wrote:
> Sorry about that mess; that will teach me to try and respond with an 
> iPhone.
>
> What I was trying to say is that I run a KPA500 and KAT500 into 
> non-resonant antennas on all of the WARC bands and still manage to 
> crack pileups.? On 12 and 17 meters I tune my tiny OB7-3 Optibeam 
> tribander.? Of the current DXpeditions,? I've worked VP6R on 19 slots 
> and I work FT8 with great reluctance.? I've worked 5K0K on 14 of 25 
> slots without using FT8.? For the recently completed ZK3A expedition I 
> worked them of 24 of 37 slots and was on Clublog's stats number 20 in NA.
>
> I'm pretty sure that I never have the commanding signal in a pileup.? 
> BTW, I use a K3S without a second RX and I don't have a separate RX 
> antenna for 160, things everybody knows you must have to work DX.? 
> IMHO, knowing how to use the hardware you have is more important than 
> having more hardware.
>
> Wes? N7WS
>
>
> On 10/25/2019 9:00 AM, Wes N7WS wrote:
>> I run a KPA500 and KAT500 into an Ppitbe
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 24, 2019, at 1:24 PM, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Eric
>>>
>>> I think you are asking a lot for a tuner to run at any power into a
>>> non-resonant antenna and break a pile up.? :)
>>>
>>> You would actually have better success with a 12M dipole then trying 
>>> to get
>>> a non-resonant beam to direct your signal.
>>>
>>> If I was in your shoes, I would quickly toss up a 12M dipole with some
>>> string and bubble gum as you would have a much higher radiated signal.
>>>
>>> Mike va3mw
>>>
>
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From tom at w7sua.org  Fri Oct 25 17:44:32 2019
From: tom at w7sua.org (Tom Azlin W7SUA)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 14:44:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 abnormal shut off problem
Message-ID: <2bf9a631-4d08-1bc0-6c80-2062ab14b628@w7sua.org>

Hi. My P3 has started turning off a few seconds to a minute after I turn 
on my K3/P3 or when I then try to turn my P3 back on. I was watching and 
saw no error message like low voltage. Watching also the voltmeter on my 
K3 and stayed at 14.5 to 14.7 volts. dropped power supply to 14 volts 
and it still shut down. Did a tune and voltage was 12.8 then back to 14 
then afterwards it shut off.

Is my power supply not holding up properly?

Will dig out a spare power supply next.

73, tom w7sua

From Gary at ka1j.com  Fri Oct 25 23:48:45 2019
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 23:48:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Newsletter suggestion
Message-ID: <5DB3C21D.31726.5775687@Gary.ka1j.com>

My email software (Pegasus) strips many 
different kinds of images, this is part of 
its way of keeping viruses out of the 
computer & one of the reasons I keep using 
it after 25 years. It does this with most 
bulk email like Kim Komando & best Buy for 
example. It does this with the monthly 
Elecraft newsletter as well. All I see are 
gray squares where the photo was formatted 
in the email.

Most bulk emails coming in like this have 
a link to view the email on the web 
(usually at the top, sometimes at the 
bottom of the message) & if not, the gray 
squares have a clickable link where it 
takes you to the article in question. In 
this month's newsletter there were some 
things to see on the K4 but the photos did 
not come with a clickable link so I can't 
see the info.

My suggestion is to have a web page of the 
newsletter available and that link 
attached to each email. 2nd best would be 
to have photos with clickable links.

73,

Gary
KA1J

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sat Oct 26 00:01:04 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 00:01:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Newsletter suggestion
In-Reply-To: <5DB3C21D.31726.5775687@Gary.ka1j.com>
References: <5DB3C21D.31726.5775687@Gary.ka1j.com>
Message-ID: <91CA692C-383C-42DF-8016-026B3F8A16F8@gmail.com>

I have Mac mail set to strip all incoming images and other junk as well.  However, I also have a button available to download the stuff, so if I want to see it before trashing a message I can.

I haven?t used Pegasus for years.  Maybe it offers the same user controlled option in some form?

Grant NQ5T

> On Oct 25, 2019, at 11:48 PM, Gary Smith <Gary at ka1j.com> wrote:
> 
> My email software (Pegasus) strips many 
> different kinds of images, this is part of 
> its way of keeping viruses out of the 
> computer & one of the reasons I keep using 
> it after 25 years. It does this with most 
> bulk email like Kim Komando & best Buy for 
> example. It does this with the monthly 
> Elecraft newsletter as well. All I see are 
> gray squares where the photo was formatted 
> in the email.
> 


From Gary at ka1j.com  Sat Oct 26 02:14:16 2019
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 02:14:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Newsletter suggestion
In-Reply-To: <32aead65-b174-6444-fd83-c1ce73594608@effable.com>
References: <5DB3C21D.31726.5775687@Gary.ka1j.com>,
	<32aead65-b174-6444-fd83-c1ce73594608@effable.com>
Message-ID: <5DB3E438.18647.5FC8C85@Gary.ka1j.com>

Steve,

I believe you, I can take a screen print 
to show that does not appear here.

73,

Gary
KA1J

> Gary:
> 
> The copy of the newsletter I received does have a link labeled "View
> this email in your browser" at the very top.
> 
> --... ...--
> SteveSgt, KC6ZKT
> 
> 
> On 10/25/19 20:48 PM, Gary Smith wrote:
> > My email software (Pegasus) strips many 
> > different kinds of images, this is part of 
> > its way of keeping viruses out of the 
> > computer & one of the reasons I keep using 
> > it after 25 years. It does this with most 
> > bulk email like Kim Komando & best Buy for 
> > example. It does this with the monthly 
> > Elecraft newsletter as well. All I see are 
> > gray squares where the photo was formatted 
> > in the email.
> > 
> > Most bulk emails coming in like this have 
> > a link to view the email on the web 
> > (usually at the top, sometimes at the 
> > bottom of the message) & if not, the gray 
> > squares have a clickable link where it 
> > takes you to the article in question. In 
> > this month's newsletter there were some 
> > things to see on the K4 but the photos did 
> > not come with a clickable link so I can't 
> > see the info.
> > 
> > My suggestion is to have a web page of the 
> > newsletter available and that link 
> > attached to each email. 2nd best would be 
> > to have photos with clickable links.
> > 
> > 73,
> > 
> > Gary
> > KA1J
> > ______________________________________________________________
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> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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> > 
> 
> 
> -- 
> --... ...--
> SteveSgt, KC6ZKT, @CM97bj73
> 




From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Oct 26 03:58:58 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 00:58:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Newsletter suggestion
In-Reply-To: <5DB3C21D.31726.5775687@Gary.ka1j.com>
References: <5DB3C21D.31726.5775687@Gary.ka1j.com>
Message-ID: <c09b3821-8412-3861-a747-4fcfe470e8b2@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/25/2019 8:48 PM, Gary Smith wrote:
> My email software (Pegasus) strips many
> different kinds of images,

Gary,

I get Elecraft from two email addresses, one of which I read with 
Thunderbird, and the other with Yahoo Mail. BOTH give me the option to 
view the email in my browser.

73, Jim K9YC

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Oct 26 04:32:18 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 01:32:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 RFI on 12m
In-Reply-To: <bdf05d3c-0460-4f34-2311-0db8d603a2dd@blomand.net>
References: <1958695472.1740714.1571947694162.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1958695472.1740714.1571947694162@mail.yahoo.com> <CA+33ts6B7d-oU
	jB2nq0CJnjNE6rCkd=t6FvU-8FGJJnK8ayvxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<818311D6-9533-44D0-BB3B-9228FC8DEAA0@triconet.org>
	<db86b409-4b40-9d25-4cfe-795722b1ec06@triconet.org>
	<bdf05d3c-0460-4f34-2311-0db8d603a2dd@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <39b323b8-435d-b427-9b80-4ce2e459a2a1@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 10/25/2019 2:01 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Except for my 6M yagi, all of my antennas are non-resonant antennas. My 
> favorite is the 256 ft center fed wire {resonant at 1.825 MHz}? with a 
> balanced feed.

Dean Straw, N6BV, retired editor of the ARRL Antenna Book and Antenna 
Compendiums, is a very smart engineer and a very good friend. But his 
promotion of this sort of antenna is probably the greatest error of his 
time in that job, an idea whose time is LONG past, for many reasons. 
Primary -- 1) it cannot be choked to kill noise on RX, and 99.9% of hams 
live surrounded by local noise and 2) it's pattern is different on every 
frequency.

I am a strong believer in resonant antennas for each band, if if the 
must be multi-band antennas like fan dipoles to fit in the available 
space. For example, a 20/15/10 fan fits in 33 ft and works great, with a 
predictable pattern on each band. An 80/40 fan works on 15M, with a 
predictable pattern on both 80 and 40. Hypower Antenna company sells 
loaded antennas that are resonant on 80 and 40 and fit into about 100 
ft; I used one in Chicago on 30 to great effect. All of these antennas 
are fed with 50 or 75 ohm coax, and CAN be choked to kill RX noise.

RX noise is a VERY big deal -- if you can't hear 'em, you can't work 
'em. If you haven't worked to minimize your RX noise, you're DXing with 
one hand tied behind your back! My friend AG6EE goes to remote locations 
in NV, OR, and CA to light up rare grids with 1kW on 6M. Folks trying to 
work him complain of one-way propagation because he hears them really 
well and the don't hear him, but the REAL problem is their local RX noise.

http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf  Text, NCJ article
http://k9yc.com/KillingRXNoiseVisalia.pdf  Slides Visalia talk

73, Jim K9YC

From norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 26 05:52:27 2019
From: norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com (Eric Norris)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 02:52:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 RFI on 12m
In-Reply-To: <4557838E-D7BB-4B13-8488-DF2B9DBD9FA1@gmail.com>
References: <4557838E-D7BB-4B13-8488-DF2B9DBD9FA1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJSJeL301rTqBSzCT5UA9Apu2ErqdQXaeX0Q-10rHhZqQOCF5Q@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, that is the solution.  But it shouldn't have to be for an amplifier of
the KPA1500's price and class.  Further testing shows that on other bands,
with an SWR of 1.5 to 2.0, if the tuner is IN, it also goes into random
retunes.  When the tuner is in BYPASS, the KPA1500 is happy.  Also very
weird.  I never had this problem with KAT500/KPA500 combo on the same
antennas, and still don't.  I think the KPA1500 firmware needs some
tweaking.  This is true even when running the KPA1500 at 500w

73 Eric WD6DBM

73 Eric WD6DBM

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 5:41 AM Dave <rocketnj at gmail.com> wrote:

> In the KPA1500 utility I have the tuner bypassed for the whole 60 meter
> band. The tuner?s logic is detecting a high SWR and overriding the bypass
> selection. This happens at 30 watts forward power.
>
> The answer is to turn off the amp when on 60 and just use the radio?s
> tuner.
>
> Dave wo2x
>
> Sent from my waxed string and tin cans.
>
> > On Oct 25, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote:
> >
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From gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 26 06:17:53 2019
From: gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com (eric norris)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 10:17:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S
References: <694839640.2522895.1572085073080.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <694839640.2522895.1572085073080@mail.yahoo.com>

Am I the only one apoplectic over the news of the discontinuation of the K3S?? Or did I read the newsletter wrong, my brain being soaked with RF in the shack, RX noise, Mix 31 poisoning, and the Non-Resonant Too Low Antennas of Damocles over my head?
73 Eric WD6DBM, owner, The Last KX1

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

From rich at wc3t.us  Sat Oct 26 08:54:02 2019
From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 08:54:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S
In-Reply-To: <694839640.2522895.1572085073080@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <694839640.2522895.1572085073080.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Apparently you didn?t read it wrong.

On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 06:17 eric norris via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Am I the only one apoplectic over the news of the discontinuation of the
> K3S?  Or did I read the newsletter wrong, my brain being soaked with RF in
> the shack, RX noise, Mix 31 poisoning, and the Non-Resonant Too Low
> Antennas of Damocles over my head?
> 73 Eric WD6DBM, owner, The Last KX1
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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From k8cxm at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 26 09:34:50 2019
From: k8cxm at hotmail.com (Jim Leder)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 13:34:50 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 problem
Message-ID: <BY5PR02MB69958A656F6E8A44CB0B35A1EA640@BY5PR02MB6995.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

This is a follow up on the VFO B control problem with a friend?s older K3.

Thanks to all the ideas and suggestions! I do agree that it is likely the infamous K3 connector problem. As I mentioned, the K3 is an older unit. The ham who it belongs to is 78 with bad eyes, and shaky hands. I?m 74 with bad eyes and shaky hands. Neither of us feels qualified to tear into it for what hopefully is the main issue. It could still be a bad encoder.
Since he needs a few other things done with the unit, he made the decision to send it back to Elecraft and have qualified techs perform the repair. Painful and costly but necessary.
When we did the hard reset, we hoped it would solve the B control problem. Well, it didn?t. Now we can?t even scroll through the CONFIG menus to put everything back as he had it.

Doesn?t matter. It needs to go home.

Thanks again for the valued suggestions!!

73 ?

Jim Leder ? K8CXM


From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sat Oct 26 10:11:06 2019
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 17:11:06 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] RX noise and 2-wire lines (was:  KPA1500 RFI on 12m)
In-Reply-To: <39b323b8-435d-b427-9b80-4ce2e459a2a1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <1958695472.1740714.1571947694162.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1958695472.1740714.1571947694162@mail.yahoo.com> <CA+33ts6B7d-oU
	jB2nq0CJnjNE6rCkd=t6FvU-8FGJJnK8ayvxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<818311D6-9533-44D0-BB3B-9228FC8DEAA0@triconet.org>
	<db86b409-4b40-9d25-4cfe-795722b1ec06@triconet.org>
	<bdf05d3c-0460-4f34-2311-0db8d603a2dd@blomand.net>
	<39b323b8-435d-b427-9b80-4ce2e459a2a1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <1459caac-cfa9-6cb5-c6e7-2753ad7a153a@gmail.com>

Jim,

I have to disagree about balanced line. Unlike coax, both conductors are 
exposed to external RF fields, so common mode noise will be rejected. If 
the antenna and line are properly balanced (not always easy to do, I 
admit) and if it is fed through a balanced antenna tuner, there is no 
reason for it to be noisier than coax. Yes, it can't be choked, but it 
doesn't need to be.

My antenna is a 10m long rotary dipole fed with open line. It has gone 
through several iterations and I've been very careful to install the 
line so that it is perpendicular to the antenna for as far as possible, 
etc. I've tried various balun arrangements, but the system that works 
best, both for reducing RF in the shack when transmitting and noise 
immunity when receiving, is a Johnson kW Matchbox.

There is a building taller than mine a few hundred meters away from it, 
and a very distinct noise peak when the antenna is turned toward it, 
which seems to indicate that the noise is picked up by the antenna, not 
the line. I notice the same noise peak with a coax-fed shielded loop 
antenna, so it is definitely coming from the building, and isn't an 
artifact of the alignment of the antenna to the line.  I am pretty sure 
I have at least a 10 dB difference in noise when a band is open (at 
least, when the antenna is not aimed at that building), but I will wait 
until the band is solidly dead tonight to check that out.

My pattern is a form of figure 8 on 40-10 meters, but you are right that 
you can't maintain the pattern over a greater frequency range.

My main point is that there is nothing inherently noisy about a two-wire 
transmission line!

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
On 26-Oct-2019 10:32, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 10/25/2019 2:01 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> Except for my 6M yagi, all of my antennas are non-resonant antennas. 
>> My favorite is the 256 ft center fed wire {resonant at 1.825 MHz}  
>> with a balanced feed.
> 
> Dean Straw, N6BV, retired editor of the ARRL Antenna Book and Antenna 
> Compendiums, is a very smart engineer and a very good friend. But his 
> promotion of this sort of antenna is probably the greatest error of his 
> time in that job, an idea whose time is LONG past, for many reasons. 
> Primary -- 1) it cannot be choked to kill noise on RX, and 99.9% of hams 
> live surrounded by local noise and 2) it's pattern is different on every 
> frequency.
> 
> I am a strong believer in resonant antennas for each band, if if the 
> must be multi-band antennas like fan dipoles to fit in the available 
> space. For example, a 20/15/10 fan fits in 33 ft and works great, with a 
> predictable pattern on each band. An 80/40 fan works on 15M, with a 
> predictable pattern on both 80 and 40. Hypower Antenna company sells 
> loaded antennas that are resonant on 80 and 40 and fit into about 100 
> ft; I used one in Chicago on 30 to great effect. All of these antennas 
> are fed with 50 or 75 ohm coax, and CAN be choked to kill RX noise.
> 
> RX noise is a VERY big deal -- if you can't hear 'em, you can't work 
> 'em. If you haven't worked to minimize your RX noise, you're DXing with 
> one hand tied behind your back! My friend AG6EE goes to remote locations 
> in NV, OR, and CA to light up rare grids with 1kW on 6M. Folks trying to 
> work him complain of one-way propagation because he hears them really 
> well and the don't hear him, but the REAL problem is their local RX noise.
> 
> http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf? Text, NCJ article
> http://k9yc.com/KillingRXNoiseVisalia.pdf? Slides Visalia talk
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC


From clark.macaulay at gmail.com  Sat Oct 26 11:03:09 2019
From: clark.macaulay at gmail.com (Clark Macaulay)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 11:03:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 problem
In-Reply-To: <BY5PR02MB69958A656F6E8A44CB0B35A1EA640@BY5PR02MB6995.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BY5PR02MB69958A656F6E8A44CB0B35A1EA640@BY5PR02MB6995.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CA+KWkDgfXJLkFFJHVb-VW3NdtFVQpR_HyXV+ZJ0_4RY0tdCG8w@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

In my view, that is a very wise decision.  I'm 77 yrs of age ("seasoned
citizen") with shaky hands.  After observing just how small the SMD
components are when trying to install the K-pod mod for powering via its
data cable,  I realized my 6 year old K3 with an annoying problem (PWR
control mushy) needed to be sent home (aka The SPA).

What I hadn't expected was that they would also bring the radio up to the
latest specs by installing gold pins, installing the latest firmware (which
I thought I had done), repairing a LPA problem I didn't know I had, and
performing all of the calibrations (my POWER reading was significantly off,
they said).  Yes, it was a little expensive ($400), but well worth it, and
my K3 will now serve me well for many years to come.  You will not be
disappointed.

On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 9:35 AM Jim Leder <k8cxm at hotmail.com> wrote:

> This is a follow up on the VFO B control problem with a friend?s older K3.
>
> Thanks to all the ideas and suggestions! I do agree that it is likely the
> infamous K3 connector problem. As I mentioned, the K3 is an older unit. The
> ham who it belongs to is 78 with bad eyes, and shaky hands. I?m 74 with bad
> eyes and shaky hands. Neither of us feels qualified to tear into it for
> what hopefully is the main issue. It could still be a bad encoder.
> Since he needs a few other things done with the unit, he made the decision
> to send it back to Elecraft and have qualified techs perform the repair.
> Painful and costly but necessary.
> When we did the hard reset, we hoped it would solve the B control problem.
> Well, it didn?t. Now we can?t even scroll through the CONFIG menus to put
> everything back as he had it.
>
> Doesn?t matter. It needs to go home.
>
> Thanks again for the valued suggestions!!
>
> 73 ?
>
> Jim Leder ? K8CXM
>
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-- 
73,

Clark, WU4B
QRPARCI #10815
SKCC #3892
NAQCC #5055
CWOPS #1869
Collins Collectors #AC90-12432
Southeastern DX Club <http://www.sedxc.org>
North Georgia QRP Club <http://www.nogaqrp.org>


*"It is vain to do with more what can be done with less."*
*Attributed to *William of Occam (1288 AD - 1348 AD)

From gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com  Sat Oct 26 12:36:30 2019
From: gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com (George Thornton)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 16:36:30 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 problem
In-Reply-To: <CA+KWkDgfXJLkFFJHVb-VW3NdtFVQpR_HyXV+ZJ0_4RY0tdCG8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BY5PR02MB69958A656F6E8A44CB0B35A1EA640@BY5PR02MB6995.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<CA+KWkDgfXJLkFFJHVb-VW3NdtFVQpR_HyXV+ZJ0_4RY0tdCG8w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CY4PR1601MB1352133C73DBD410FF142F29B4640@CY4PR1601MB1352.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

I want to echo my appreciation of Elecraft repair service.

I had my K3 in a few years ago after it malfunctioned during field use.

They also went through it and made all sorts of additions and calibrations.

Really well worth the moderate cost and inconvenience.    

The unit continues to perform flawlessly.

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Clark Macaulay
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 8:03 AM
To: Jim Leder <k8cxm at hotmail.com>
Cc: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 problem

Jim,

In my view, that is a very wise decision.  I'm 77 yrs of age ("seasoned
citizen") with shaky hands.  After observing just how small the SMD components are when trying to install the K-pod mod for powering via its data cable,  I realized my 6 year old K3 with an annoying problem (PWR control mushy) needed to be sent home (aka The SPA).

What I hadn't expected was that they would also bring the radio up to the latest specs by installing gold pins, installing the latest firmware (which I thought I had done), repairing a LPA problem I didn't know I had, and performing all of the calibrations (my POWER reading was significantly off, they said).  Yes, it was a little expensive ($400), but well worth it, and my K3 will now serve me well for many years to come.  You will not be disappointed.

On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 9:35 AM Jim Leder <k8cxm at hotmail.com> wrote:

> This is a follow up on the VFO B control problem with a friend?s older K3.
>
> Thanks to all the ideas and suggestions! I do agree that it is likely 
> the infamous K3 connector problem. As I mentioned, the K3 is an older 
> unit. The ham who it belongs to is 78 with bad eyes, and shaky hands. 
> I?m 74 with bad eyes and shaky hands. Neither of us feels qualified to 
> tear into it for what hopefully is the main issue. It could still be a bad encoder.
> Since he needs a few other things done with the unit, he made the 
> decision to send it back to Elecraft and have qualified techs perform the repair.
> Painful and costly but necessary.
> When we did the hard reset, we hoped it would solve the B control problem.
> Well, it didn?t. Now we can?t even scroll through the CONFIG menus to 
> put everything back as he had it.
>
> Doesn?t matter. It needs to go home.
>
> Thanks again for the valued suggestions!!
>
> 73 ?
>
> Jim Leder ? K8CXM
>
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--
73,

Clark, WU4B
QRPARCI #10815
SKCC #3892
NAQCC #5055
CWOPS #1869
Collins Collectors #AC90-12432
Southeastern DX Club <http://www.sedxc.org> North Georgia QRP Club <http://www.nogaqrp.org>


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From Gary at ka1j.com  Sat Oct 26 12:41:24 2019
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 12:41:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Newsletter suggestion
In-Reply-To: <5DB3C21D.31726.5775687@Gary.ka1j.com>
References: <5DB3C21D.31726.5775687@Gary.ka1j.com>
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Folks,

I just don't see a url to click for this 
in my newsletter so I just added my gmail 
email to the mailing list & I'll read the 
newsletter from Google. I'll get two 
copies in Pegasus but that's when I'll 
know to read it from Google.

Thanks for the replies.

73,

Gary
KA1J

> My email software (Pegasus) strips many 
> different kinds of images, this is part of 
> its way of keeping viruses out of the 
> computer & one of the reasons I keep using 
> it after 25 years. It does this with most 
> bulk email like Kim Komando & best Buy for 
> example. It does this with the monthly 
> Elecraft newsletter as well. All I see are 
> gray squares where the photo was formatted 
> in the email.
> 
> Most bulk emails coming in like this have 
> a link to view the email on the web 
> (usually at the top, sometimes at the 
> bottom of the message) & if not, the gray 
> squares have a clickable link where it 
> takes you to the article in question. In 
> this month's newsletter there were some 
> things to see on the K4 but the photos did 
> not come with a clickable link so I can't 
> see the info.
> 
> My suggestion is to have a web page of the 
> newsletter available and that link 
> attached to each email. 2nd best would be 
> to have photos with clickable links.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Gary
> KA1J
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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sat Oct 26 12:46:37 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 12:46:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 problem
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR1601MB1352133C73DBD410FF142F29B4640@CY4PR1601MB1352.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BY5PR02MB69958A656F6E8A44CB0B35A1EA640@BY5PR02MB6995.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<CA+KWkDgfXJLkFFJHVb-VW3NdtFVQpR_HyXV+ZJ0_4RY0tdCG8w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CY4PR1601MB1352133C73DBD410FF142F29B4640@CY4PR1601MB1352.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <5AC2A17F-36ED-4377-8AF4-AAEB2EC3E328@gmail.com>

And if you don?t have a good condition original shipping container for the K3/S (or P3), it?s worth the small cost and wait to order a new one with the internal foam supports from Elecraft.  The shipping containers are available on the spare parts menu.

Grant NQ5T

> On Oct 26, 2019, at 12:36 PM, George Thornton <gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com> wrote:
> 
> I want to echo my appreciation of Elecraft repair service.
> 
> I had my K3 in a few years ago after it malfunctioned during field use.
> 
> They also went through it and made all sorts of additions and calibrations.
> 
> Really well worth the moderate cost and inconvenience.    
> 
> The unit continues to perform flawlessly.
> 


From clark.macaulay at gmail.com  Sat Oct 26 12:51:18 2019
From: clark.macaulay at gmail.com (Clark Macaulay)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 12:51:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 problem
In-Reply-To: <5AC2A17F-36ED-4377-8AF4-AAEB2EC3E328@gmail.com>
References: <BY5PR02MB69958A656F6E8A44CB0B35A1EA640@BY5PR02MB6995.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<CA+KWkDgfXJLkFFJHVb-VW3NdtFVQpR_HyXV+ZJ0_4RY0tdCG8w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CY4PR1601MB1352133C73DBD410FF142F29B4640@CY4PR1601MB1352.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<5AC2A17F-36ED-4377-8AF4-AAEB2EC3E328@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+KWkDhEFNPuTQszy=Rq+TG+tv9q1=bsom6zFCzfZCKqGmySkA@mail.gmail.com>

And, if you don't buy one of the new cartons/inserts, you'll get one when
they ship it back to you!

On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 12:47 PM Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com>
wrote:

> And if you don?t have a good condition original shipping container for the
> K3/S (or P3), it?s worth the small cost and wait to order a new one with
> the internal foam supports from Elecraft.  The shipping containers are
> available on the spare parts menu.
>
> Grant NQ5T
>
> > On Oct 26, 2019, at 12:36 PM, George Thornton <
> gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com> wrote:
> >
> > I want to echo my appreciation of Elecraft repair service.
> >
> > I had my K3 in a few years ago after it malfunctioned during field use.
> >
> > They also went through it and made all sorts of additions and
> calibrations.
> >
> > Really well worth the moderate cost and inconvenience.
> >
> > The unit continues to perform flawlessly.
> >
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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-- 
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QRPARCI #10815
SKCC #3892
NAQCC #5055
CWOPS #1869
Collins Collectors #AC90-12432
Southeastern DX Club <http://www.sedxc.org>
North Georgia QRP Club <http://www.nogaqrp.org>


*"It is vain to do with more what can be done with less."*
*Attributed to *William of Occam (1288 AD - 1348 AD)

From eric at elecraft.com  Sat Oct 26 13:13:54 2019
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 10:13:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500: Widely varying drive requirement - same
	frequency, different antenna
In-Reply-To: <0747a0c1-eca7-17d6-d2e5-8849c36bbe02@comcast.net>
References: <0747a0c1-eca7-17d6-d2e5-8849c36bbe02@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <3A559B11-323D-4A45-93A6-84F178E8BA2B@elecraft.com>

This is not unusual when the loads presented by the antennas (or tuner)  to the amp are different.  This can even be true when the SWRs are identical if the actual +/- reactance of one is different than the other. 

This is most noticeable on lower freq bands where the amps gain is typically higher. 

Eric
elecraft.com
---
Sent from my iPhone 6S

> On Oct 23, 2019, at 5:00 AM, N4ZR <n4zr at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I have two 40M antennas, a Carolina Windom and a full-wave parasitic sloper.  I have just noticed that on any given frequency, my K3 must deliver considerably more power on one than the other, in order for the amp to produce 1500 watts.  The difference is 27 watts on one vs 42 watts on the other.  Is this normal?
> 
> -- 
> 
> 73, Pete N4ZR
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Oct 26 13:54:54 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 10:54:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] RX noise and 2-wire lines
In-Reply-To: <1459caac-cfa9-6cb5-c6e7-2753ad7a153a@gmail.com>
References: <1958695472.1740714.1571947694162.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1958695472.1740714.1571947694162@mail.yahoo.com> <CA+33ts6B7d-oU
	jB2nq0CJnjNE6rCkd=t6FvU-8FGJJnK8ayvxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<818311D6-9533-44D0-BB3B-9228FC8DEAA0@triconet.org>
	<db86b409-4b40-9d25-4cfe-795722b1ec06@triconet.org>
	<bdf05d3c-0460-4f34-2311-0db8d603a2dd@blomand.net>
	<39b323b8-435d-b427-9b80-4ce2e459a2a1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<1459caac-cfa9-6cb5-c6e7-2753ad7a153a@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <22e311b5-9168-1fad-7608-743549c4c138@audiosystemsgroup.com>

Vic,

What you're missing is that an antenna and its feedline are a SYSTEM, 
and antennas can be unbalanced by their surroundings -- ground slope, 
un-equal mounting heights, conductors in nearby buildings or structure, 
trees, towers, etc. Any unbalance in the SYSTEM results in common mode 
current on the feedline.

73, Jim K9YC

On 10/26/2019 7:11 AM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote:
> I have to disagree about balanced line. Unlike coax, both conductors are 
> exposed to external RF fields, so common mode noise will be rejected. If 
> the antenna and line are properly balanced (not always easy to do, I 
> admit) and if it is fed through a balanced antenna tuner, there is no 
> reason for it to be noisier than coax. Yes, it can't be choked, but it 
> doesn't need to be.


From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Sat Oct 26 14:38:46 2019
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 18:38:46 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S
In-Reply-To: <694839640.2522895.1572085073080@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <694839640.2522895.1572085073080.ref@mail.yahoo.com>,
	<694839640.2522895.1572085073080@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D9C54EF5-339C-4624-A7A1-B6CB3FDB713D@illinois.edu>

Not apoplectic, however somewhat sad. I really like, most of all, the modular aspect of the K3 line, (K2 as well). The K4 just reminds me of the typical ham radios of the past with the new display, although as a plus, the direct sampling. I suppose I could get into it, but I have been thinking that the K3(S) line will be just fine and satisfy me whenever I'm in the shack for some time to come. I hope to live long enough to want one. 
One thing I remember when I got the P3 how much room it had into it. I thought at the time that a perforated top cover and a speaker would be a good accessory kit for it. That hasn't happened...yet. Maybe some aftermarket enterprise would step up. 
I'm not done with the K3 line...

Jack BMW Motorcycles
Chuck KE9UW
c-hawley at illinois.edu

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 26, 2019, at 5:18 AM, eric norris via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Am I the only one apoplectic over the news of the discontinuation of the K3S?  Or did I read the newsletter wrong, my brain being soaked with RF in the shack, RX noise, Mix 31 poisoning, and the Non-Resonant Too Low Antennas of Damocles over my head?
> 73 Eric WD6DBM, owner, The Last KX1
> 
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From k9ma at sdellington.us  Sat Oct 26 15:04:53 2019
From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 14:04:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S
In-Reply-To: <D9C54EF5-339C-4624-A7A1-B6CB3FDB713D@illinois.edu>
References: <694839640.2522895.1572085073080.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<694839640.2522895.1572085073080@mail.yahoo.com>
	<D9C54EF5-339C-4624-A7A1-B6CB3FDB713D@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <cb5d44a3-22d3-3183-038b-67723acc2be3@sdellington.us>

On 10/26/2019 13:38, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
> One thing I remember when I got the P3 how much room it had into it. I thought at the time that a perforated top cover and a speaker would be a good accessory kit for it.

That wouldn't be hard to do yourself. Once the P3 is out of warranty, of 
course.

73,

Scott K9MA

-- 
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k9ma at sdellington.us


From hdv at kpnplanet.nl  Sat Oct 26 16:00:36 2019
From: hdv at kpnplanet.nl (hdv)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 22:00:36 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Macro AUX
In-Reply-To: <D9C54EF5-339C-4624-A7A1-B6CB3FDB713D@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <47a43652-f82b-11e9-bf0c-005056ab1411@smtp.kpnmail.nl>

Verzonden vanaf mijn Samsung Galaxy-smartphone.
I would like to control the Bset AUX with a macro.An SWT command works, but does not give a defined state. It just switches between main and aux.Is there a command which forces AUX in a defined state, no matter its current setting.73 HenkPA0C

From radioham at mchsi.com  Sat Oct 26 16:17:59 2019
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 15:17:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT sort of.  Charging Lithium Ion batteries
Message-ID: <5A18F637-98DB-48E9-8D5D-C6F65C3CDF5F@mchsi.com>

I recently read that Lithium Ion batteries should be charged only to 80% unless you are going to need full capacity.  Supposedly makes them last longer.  

Anyone ever heard of this?

If true does this also apply to LiPO4 batteries?

David K0LUM


From rboutell at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 26 17:30:27 2019
From: rboutell at hotmail.com (Russ W9RB)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 14:30:27 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S
In-Reply-To: <694839640.2522895.1572085073080@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <694839640.2522895.1572085073080@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1572125427650-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

It seems the K1 and KX1 hold a fairly high value on the used market after
their demise. I'm hoping the K3 follows suit, so I can upgrade to the K4
later :)



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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Oct 26 17:33:01 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 14:33:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT sort of. Charging Lithium Ion batteries
In-Reply-To: <5A18F637-98DB-48E9-8D5D-C6F65C3CDF5F@mchsi.com>
References: <5A18F637-98DB-48E9-8D5D-C6F65C3CDF5F@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <690babf7-a140-75a5-14d6-672576f2e030@foothill.net>

My LiFePO4 charger has a charging program to stop at about 80% and I've 
been told that they like that if you're going to store them for awhile.? 
Don't know if that applies to Li Ion, there are a lot of lithium 
chemistries these days.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 10/26/2019 1:17 PM, David Christ wrote:
> I recently read that Lithium Ion batteries should be charged only to 80% unless you are going to need full capacity.  Supposedly makes them last longer.
>
> Anyone ever heard of this?
>
> If true does this also apply to LiPO4 batteries?
>
> David K0LUM
>
>


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Oct 26 18:39:11 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 18:39:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT sort of. Charging Lithium Ion batteries
In-Reply-To: <690babf7-a140-75a5-14d6-672576f2e030@foothill.net>
References: <5A18F637-98DB-48E9-8D5D-C6F65C3CDF5F@mchsi.com>
	<690babf7-a140-75a5-14d6-672576f2e030@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <62689bd7-e9e3-3f2a-ca3f-73919d7f5bf5@embarqmail.com>

I have Lithium batteries in my laptop, my KX2, my electric razor, a 
tactical flashlight, and maybe some other things.  I use the dedicated 
chargers for each of them.
I think the dedicated, automatic chargers fill the batteries to 100%, so 
there must not be a lot of caution to only charge them to 80%.

I cannot speak to the battery life advantage of charging only to 80%, 
but if you are charging them for storage, that may be a different matter.

If you are simply charging them for use, wait until the dedicated 
charger displays a green light and be done with it.

If you are not using a dedicated charger, look up the battery 
manufacturer's information for charging levels - they know their 
batteries better than other sources.

Li-ion chemistry is different than LiFePO4, and the output voltage is 
different.  What works for one may not apply to the other.  A similar 
situation applies to Alkaline batteries vs. NiCad, and NiMH chemistries 
which we are more familiar with.

Look to the battery manufacturer's information for the best source about 
your particular battery.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/26/2019 5:33 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> My LiFePO4 charger has a charging program to stop at about 80% and I've 
> been told that they like that if you're going to store them for awhile. 
> Don't know if that applies to Li Ion, there are a lot of lithium 
> chemistries these days.
> 
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
> On 10/26/2019 1:17 PM, David Christ wrote:
>> I recently read that Lithium Ion batteries should be charged only to 
>> 80% unless you are going to need full capacity.? Supposedly makes them 
>> last longer.
>>
>> Anyone ever heard of this?
>>
>> If true does this also apply to LiPO4 batteries?
>>
>> David K0LUM
>>
>>
> 
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Oct 26 19:03:36 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 19:03:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 abnormal shut off problem
In-Reply-To: <2bf9a631-4d08-1bc0-6c80-2062ab14b628@w7sua.org>
References: <2bf9a631-4d08-1bc0-6c80-2062ab14b628@w7sua.org>
Message-ID: <3b7543f5-b28e-3752-ed55-12ee797c5922@embarqmail.com>

Tom,

That sounds strange.  I would first suggest checking all the Power 
Supply to K3, and either K3 AUX DC to P3 or the Power Supply to P3 power 
cables for loose connections.

A drop from 14.5 to 14.7 volts down to 12.8 volts indicates a high 
resistance power cable or a bad power supply.

Measure the voltage at the power supply terminals to determine whether 
it is the power supply or the cables - if the voltage stays up at the 
power supply terminals, but the voltage sags at the K3 end, the cable is 
to blame.

OTOH, if the voltage at the power supply terminals sags significantly, 
then the power supply regulation is at fault.

Make certain all power cable connections are tight.  Power cables 
wrapped around the terminals are suspect (use ring terminals), as are 
the power supply terminals designed to "insert the wire and flip the 
lever" which may not guarantee a good tight connection.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/25/2019 5:44 PM, Tom Azlin W7SUA wrote:
> Hi. My P3 has started turning off a few seconds to a minute after I turn 
> on my K3/P3 or when I then try to turn my P3 back on. I was watching and 
> saw no error message like low voltage. Watching also the voltmeter on my 
> K3 and stayed at 14.5 to 14.7 volts. dropped power supply to 14 volts 
> and it still shut down. Did a tune and voltage was 12.8 then back to 14 
> then afterwards it shut off.
> 
> Is my power supply not holding up properly?
> 
> Will dig out a spare power supply next.
> 

From ktalbott at gamewood.net  Sat Oct 26 19:25:38 2019
From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (ktalbott)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 19:25:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT sort of. Charging Lithium Ion batteries
In-Reply-To: <62689bd7-e9e3-3f2a-ca3f-73919d7f5bf5@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <20191026162541.3B9EB3@m0117124.ppops.net>

Used lithium of various chemistry since they first appeared in RC market. Universal recommendation for long term storage is 80%. Otherwise, charge & discharge to recommended hi/low voltage by chemistry. Maximize the life of multi-cell packs with balanced charge.Ken ke4rgSent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S10+.
-------- Original message --------From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> Date: 10/26/19  6:39 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT sort of. Charging Lithium Ion batteries I have Lithium batteries in my laptop, my KX2, my electric razor, a tactical flashlight, and maybe some other things.? I use the dedicated chargers for each of them.I think the dedicated, automatic chargers fill the batteries to 100%, so there must not be a lot of caution to only charge them to 80%.I cannot speak to the battery life advantage of charging only to 80%, but if you are charging them for storage, that may be a different matter.If you are simply charging them for use, wait until the dedicated charger displays a green light and be done with it.If you are not using a dedicated charger, look up the battery manufacturer's information for charging levels - they know their batteries better than other sources.Li-ion chemistry is different than LiFePO4, and the output voltage is different.? What works for one may not apply to the other.? A similar situation applies to Alkaline batteries vs. NiCad, and NiMH chemistries which we are more familiar with.Look to the battery manufacturer's information for the best source about your particular battery.73,Don W3FPROn 10/26/2019 5:33 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:> My LiFePO4 charger has a charging program to stop at about 80% and I've > been told that they like that if you're going to store them for awhile. > Don't know if that applies to Li Ion, there are a lot of lithium > chemistries these days.> > 73,> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW> Sparks NV DM09dn> Washoe County> > On 10/26/2019 1:17 PM, David Christ wrote:>> I recently read that Lithium Ion batteries should be charged only to >> 80% unless you are going to need full capacity.? Supposedly makes them >> last longer.>>>> Anyone ever heard of this?>>>> If true does this also apply to LiPO4 batteries?>>>> David K0LUM>>>>> > ______________________________________________________________> Elecraft mailing list> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to ktalbott at gamewood.net 

From k9ma at sdellington.us  Sat Oct 26 20:51:24 2019
From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 19:51:24 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT sort of. Charging Lithium Ion batteries
In-Reply-To: <62689bd7-e9e3-3f2a-ca3f-73919d7f5bf5@embarqmail.com>
References: <5A18F637-98DB-48E9-8D5D-C6F65C3CDF5F@mchsi.com>
	<690babf7-a140-75a5-14d6-672576f2e030@foothill.net>
	<62689bd7-e9e3-3f2a-ca3f-73919d7f5bf5@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <baa66a28-4455-f91c-26a2-644f9bd132e6@sdellington.us>

I think pretty much all Li-ion chemistries can be charged at constant 
current to 80 percent, then at constant voltage. The last 20 percent 
takes a long time. The charging is terminated when the current drops 
below a certain limit in the constant voltage mode. This is mandatory: 
they cannot be float charged like other types. I think all the Li-ion 
charge controller chips do this.

See:

https://batteryuniversity.com/

73,
Scott K9MA

On 10/26/2019 17:39, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> I have Lithium batteries in my laptop, my KX2, my electric razor, a 
> tactical flashlight, and maybe some other things.? I use the dedicated 
> chargers for each of them.
> I think the dedicated, automatic chargers fill the batteries to 100%, 
> so there must not be a lot of caution to only charge them to 80%. 


-- 
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k9ma at sdellington.us


From kevinr at coho.net  Sat Oct 26 23:12:23 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 20:12:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <e26ca8af-215e-8fc9-2aab-c1d0f0496c30@coho.net>

Good Evening,

The time change is next week, November 3rd.? I'd just as soon they left 
it in either one place or the other and never changed it again.? This 
time of year it's difficult to tell if it's day or night anyway :)? 
However, there was a little sun this week.? The blue sky was visible 
directly overhead while the fog was medium dense all around.? The sound 
of me pounding a sledge hammer into a wedge echoed from it while I 
processed wood.

 ?? Since I listen to AM radio I have been experiencing the different 
types of fading as the sun effects our atmosphere.? When they drop the 
power levels at sunset it becomes very apparent.? I think it was 
Wednesday where the QSB turned into a chop so bad I turned it off.? The 
CW from last week was weaker but I turned my K3 to 1817 kHz and followed 
along.? Listening to two radios on two different frequencies and modes 
seems normal :)? Keeping track of the pitch count, the runners' 
positions, and the CW net was not too much to handle.

Please join us on (or near):

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 ? 7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

 ?? 73,
 ????? Kevin. KD5ONS


_

Score cards are optional.


From w2up at comcast.net  Sun Oct 27 08:57:25 2019
From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 05:57:25 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT sort of. Charging Lithium Ion batteries
In-Reply-To: <baa66a28-4455-f91c-26a2-644f9bd132e6@sdellington.us>
References: <5A18F637-98DB-48E9-8D5D-C6F65C3CDF5F@mchsi.com>
	<690babf7-a140-75a5-14d6-672576f2e030@foothill.net>
	<62689bd7-e9e3-3f2a-ca3f-73919d7f5bf5@embarqmail.com>
	<baa66a28-4455-f91c-26a2-644f9bd132e6@sdellington.us>
Message-ID: <1572181045694-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

I've been driving a Tesla for almost 5 years and it runs on Lithium
batteries.  I've read some of the literature on Li battery use and chemistry
over the years from Tesla and elsewhere, including Jeffrey Dahn, PhD, of
Dalhousie University, who is the world expert on the subject.  Google his
name and you'll find a number of papers he's written.

The recommendation, for best life, is keep the charge between 20-80%.  If
storing for a while without use, 50% charge is best.  Tesla recommends only
charging to 100% immediately before starting a trip.  The biggest killer for
Li batteries is leaving them at 100% charge in a high heat environment (over
100F).

My car has a 85 kWh battery (roughly 7000 individual cells) and had a range
of 270 miles when I bought it almost 5 years ago.  I have adhered to the
recommendations and now, with about 55K miles on it, the max charge is 262
miles.  So about a 3% degradation - not bad!

It's a real shame that most device manufacturers don't tell you any of this,
especially with the trend of making batteris in cell phones, laptops, etc.,
not user-replaceable.

Barry W2UP



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From david at aslinvc.com  Sun Oct 27 12:08:04 2019
From: david at aslinvc.com (David Aslin G3WGN)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 16:08:04 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S K-line cabling
Message-ID: <8a315282063f4184bc440e47e9ea985b@THHSTE15D2BE6.hs20.net>

I have upgraded my K3 with the KIO3B interface, so my PC is now connected via the USB port on the radio.
My question relates to the cabling for the complete K-line: K3S KPA500 KAT500 and P3
The cabling diagrams, even in the latest KAT500 manual, show the PC connected via the PC jack on the KAT500.  As noted, my K3 with KIO3B is connected to a PC via the USB port on the radio.  Which connection should I be using?  What difference does it make?

I also need to get band data to my Ultrabeam antenna controller (like a Steppir).  Where should I sniff the band data and will a simple Y cable do that?
73, David G3WGN  M6O


From macymonkeys at charter.net  Sun Oct 27 12:36:16 2019
From: macymonkeys at charter.net (Macy monkeys)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 09:36:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500...standby vs. operate
Message-ID: <C966023C-5A55-4F37-A977-A1A61626DD43@charter.net>

I am in and out of the shack all day with various nets and ragchews. Is there any advantage to putting the amp into standby between QSOs...or should I just leave it in operate? 

John K7FD

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Oct 27 12:56:10 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 12:56:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S K-line cabling
In-Reply-To: <8a315282063f4184bc440e47e9ea985b@THHSTE15D2BE6.hs20.net>
References: <8a315282063f4184bc440e47e9ea985b@THHSTE15D2BE6.hs20.net>
Message-ID: <94c5b4db-c866-e547-5e73-ca711e5f7287@embarqmail.com>

David,

Download the latest P3 manual and look on page 5.  You will need the 
CBLP3Y cable.

The KAT500 and KPA500 use the AUX cables and not the serial data.  The 
PC connection shown in the KAT500 manual is for connection to the PC for 
use of the KAT500 Utility and has nothing to do with the normal serial 
data between the K3 and the P3.

To get the serial band data to your antenna controller, use a "Y" cable 
at the PC connector on the P3.

There are other ways of connecting things as shown on page 6 of the P3 
manual, but you will have to connect the PC to the PC connector on the 
P3 and not use the internal USB to serial adapter included in the KIO3B, 
but you will still have the USB soundcard that is internal to the K3.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/27/2019 12:08 PM, David Aslin G3WGN wrote:
> I have upgraded my K3 with the KIO3B interface, so my PC is now connected via the USB port on the radio.
> My question relates to the cabling for the complete K-line: K3S KPA500 KAT500 and P3
> The cabling diagrams, even in the latest KAT500 manual, show the PC connected via the PC jack on the KAT500.  As noted, my K3 with KIO3B is connected to a PC via the USB port on the radio.  Which connection should I be using?  What difference does it make?
> 
> I also need to get band data to my Ultrabeam antenna controller (like a Steppir).  Where should I sniff the band data and will a simple Y cable do that?
> 73, David G3WGN  M6O

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Oct 27 12:59:37 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 12:59:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500...standby vs. operate
In-Reply-To: <C966023C-5A55-4F37-A977-A1A61626DD43@charter.net>
References: <C966023C-5A55-4F37-A977-A1A61626DD43@charter.net>
Message-ID: <3e074400-e748-09a0-2716-16dfe89d77ac@embarqmail.com>

John,

I do not think there is any harm in leaving it in operate.  If you are 
really "pinching pennies" on the electric bill, you might find a small 
advantage to switching it to standby.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/27/2019 12:36 PM, Macy monkeys wrote:
> I am in and out of the shack all day with various nets and ragchews. Is there any advantage to putting the amp into standby between QSOs...or should I just leave it in operate?
> 

From wa2lbi at gmail.com  Sun Oct 27 13:10:04 2019
From: wa2lbi at gmail.com (wa2lbi at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 13:10:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500...standby vs. operate
Message-ID: <3lqvutkphjotfb39dlqgs2s2.1572196027921@email.lge.com>

I would check the block diagram and/or the schematic to be sure but I think the?standby/operate switch only disables/enables the PTT/keying line.?Ken?WA2LBI?LG G6?------ Original message------From: Don WilhelmDate: Sun, Oct 27, 2019 13:00To: Macy monkeys;elecraft at mailman.qth.net;Cc: Subject:Re: [Elecraft] KPA500...standby vs. operateJohn,

I do not think there is any harm in leaving it in operate.  If you are 
really "pinching pennies" on the electric bill, you might find a small 
advantage to switching it to standby.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/27/2019 12:36 PM, Macy monkeys wrote:
> I am in and out of the shack all day with various nets and ragchews. Is there any advantage to putting the amp into standby between QSOs...or should I just leave it in operate?
> 
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sun Oct 27 13:53:54 2019
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 19:53:54 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500...standby vs. operate
In-Reply-To: <C966023C-5A55-4F37-A977-A1A61626DD43@charter.net>
References: <C966023C-5A55-4F37-A977-A1A61626DD43@charter.net>
Message-ID: <594e9185-54d9-f661-7fa9-0aa5fc26273e@gmail.com>

If you have a pet larger than a goldfish, you should probably put it 
into standby. Unless your pet is licensed to transmit.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 27/10/2019 18:36, Macy monkeys wrote:
> I am in and out of the shack all day with various nets and ragchews.
> Is there any advantage to putting the amp into standby between
> QSOs...or should I just leave it in operate?
> 
> John K7FD 

From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Sun Oct 27 14:33:14 2019
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 13:33:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] RX noise and 2-wire lines (was: KPA1500 RFI on 12m)
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Antennas are my passion.  In 50 years of hamming, I have probably experimented with virtually all variations of wire antennas.  My current antenna is far and away the best I have ever built.

Without going into all the details of my design considerations (location, regulations, budget, etc.) let me just list a few parameters that entered into my decision:

	1)  I have 400 feet of clear space behind my house, spanning an East - West direction.  I have trees located in usable locations, and the orientation of the house is workable.
	2)  I need to have a dependable 80m connection to our state capital, 275 miles to the South for EMCOMM purposes.
	3)  The antenna needs to provide good performance on all bands, 160 - 6m.
	4)  On all bands other than 80m I want multi-lobe radiation patterns to cover the entire US as well as acceptable worldwide coverage.
	5)  The antenna, while not necessarily needing to be "stealthy", needs to be unobtrusive from the street.

All this led me to building an Extended Double Zepp, cut for 3.5 MHz.  That's 360 feet long, center fed with 600 ohm "true ladder line."  The feedpoint of the ladder line is connected to a relatively short run of coax into the shack through a dual core hybrid balun (1:1 current and 4:1 voltage) which provides excellent RF choking as well as feedline isolation and very acceptable impedance matching for the KAT500.  The antenna is mounted about 30 feet above ground, which adds the NVIS capabilities I need on the lower bands.

The performance is everything I could ask for.  It gives me exactly the coverage I want in all respects with roughly 4 - 5 db increase in transmitted signal strength along with 4+ S-units decrease in noise level as compared to my previous antenna, a G5RV in an inverted "V" configuration.

Your mileage may vary, but for anyone looking to try something new (actually a very OLD design), it's a fun project.

73
Lyn, W?LEN


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 9:11 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] RX noise and 2-wire lines (was: KPA1500 RFI on 12m)

Jim,

I have to disagree about balanced line. Unlike coax, both conductors are 
exposed to external RF fields, so common mode noise will be rejected. If 
the antenna and line are properly balanced (not always easy to do, I 
admit) and if it is fed through a balanced antenna tuner, there is no 
reason for it to be noisier than coax. Yes, it can't be choked, but it 
doesn't need to be.

My antenna is a 10m long rotary dipole fed with open line. It has gone 
through several iterations and I've been very careful to install the 
line so that it is perpendicular to the antenna for as far as possible, 
etc. I've tried various balun arrangements, but the system that works 
best, both for reducing RF in the shack when transmitting and noise 
immunity when receiving, is a Johnson kW Matchbox.

There is a building taller than mine a few hundred meters away from it, 
and a very distinct noise peak when the antenna is turned toward it, 
which seems to indicate that the noise is picked up by the antenna, not 
the line. I notice the same noise peak with a coax-fed shielded loop 
antenna, so it is definitely coming from the building, and isn't an 
artifact of the alignment of the antenna to the line.  I am pretty sure 
I have at least a 10 dB difference in noise when a band is open (at 
least, when the antenna is not aimed at that building), but I will wait 
until the band is solidly dead tonight to check that out.

My pattern is a form of figure 8 on 40-10 meters, but you are right that 
you can't maintain the pattern over a greater frequency range.

My main point is that there is nothing inherently noisy about a two-wire 
transmission line!

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
On 26-Oct-2019 10:32, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 10/25/2019 2:01 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> Except for my 6M yagi, all of my antennas are non-resonant antennas. 
>> My favorite is the 256 ft center fed wire {resonant at 1.825 MHz}  
>> with a balanced feed.
> 
> Dean Straw, N6BV, retired editor of the ARRL Antenna Book and Antenna 
> Compendiums, is a very smart engineer and a very good friend. But his 
> promotion of this sort of antenna is probably the greatest error of his 
> time in that job, an idea whose time is LONG past, for many reasons. 
> Primary -- 1) it cannot be choked to kill noise on RX, and 99.9% of hams 
> live surrounded by local noise and 2) it's pattern is different on every 
> frequency.
> 
> I am a strong believer in resonant antennas for each band, if if the 
> must be multi-band antennas like fan dipoles to fit in the available 
> space. For example, a 20/15/10 fan fits in 33 ft and works great, with a 
> predictable pattern on each band. An 80/40 fan works on 15M, with a 
> predictable pattern on both 80 and 40. Hypower Antenna company sells 
> loaded antennas that are resonant on 80 and 40 and fit into about 100 
> ft; I used one in Chicago on 30 to great effect. All of these antennas 
> are fed with 50 or 75 ohm coax, and CAN be choked to kill RX noise.
> 
> RX noise is a VERY big deal -- if you can't hear 'em, you can't work 
> 'em. If you haven't worked to minimize your RX noise, you're DXing with 
> one hand tied behind your back! My friend AG6EE goes to remote locations 
> in NV, OR, and CA to light up rare grids with 1kW on 6M. Folks trying to 
> work him complain of one-way propagation because he hears them really 
> well and the don't hear him, but the REAL problem is their local RX noise.
> 
> http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf  Text, NCJ article
> http://k9yc.com/KillingRXNoiseVisalia.pdf  Slides Visalia talk
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC

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From w0cz at i29.net  Sun Oct 27 14:15:30 2019
From: w0cz at i29.net (Kenneth Christiansen)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 13:15:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500...standby vs. operate
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I have a Kill A Watt meter. Plugging the kpa 500 in with front switch off draws 7 watts. Standby draws 12 watts and operate draws 13 watts.  500 watts out on 20 meters draws 1,140 watts. 
Hope that helps. 
Ken. W0CZ
 w0cz at i29. Net

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> On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Macy monkeys <macymonkeys at charter.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I am in and out of the shack all day with various nets and ragchews. Is there any advantage to putting the amp into standby between QSOs...or should I just leave it in operate? 
> 
> John K7FD
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From macymonkeys at charter.net  Sun Oct 27 14:43:40 2019
From: macymonkeys at charter.net (macymonkeys at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 11:43:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500...standby vs. operate
Message-ID: <9a5a759fa4ab9720a1c558193624250183459661@>

Interesting! Thanks to all..
John K7FD

	-----------------------------------------From: "Kenneth Christiansen"

To: "Macy monkeys"
Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday October 27 2019 11:15:43AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500...standby vs. operate

 I have a Kill A Watt meter. Plugging the kpa 500 in with front switch
off draws 7 watts. Standby draws 12 watts and operate draws 13 watts.
500 watts out on 20 meters draws 1,140 watts. 
 Hope that helps. 
 Ken. W0CZ
 w0cz at i29. Net

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 > On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Macy monkeys  wrote:
 > 
 > ?I am in and out of the shack all day with various nets and
ragchews. Is there any advantage to putting the amp into standby
between QSOs...or should I just leave it in operate? 
 > 
 > John K7FD
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From jackbrindle at me.com  Sun Oct 27 14:54:04 2019
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 11:54:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500...standby vs. operate
Message-ID: <C135DBB8-8291-46FD-98F1-A6D49B9E5E78@me.com>

The specific answer to your question isn?t in the hardware, but rather the firmware. With that in mind,
going to STBY does the following:
1) Bypasses the TR switch, so that the signal path goes direct between the input and output RF ports.
2) Turns off the 60V power to lessen the load.
3) It also does some housekeeping things like turn on and off LEDs.

Going into standby adds a few things to the obvious:
1) Check that the 270V bias power is valid,
2) Enables the TR switch (removing the signal bypass)
3) Enables 60V power.
4) Again, some housekeeping chores are performed.

Now, what do I do when leaving the op position even for a few minutes? I always put the KPA in STBY mode. It just seems safer that way.
But, I don?t really see much issue with leaving it in OPER mode. 

I also have a habit of disabling K3 VOX when I get up. Again, safer.

73!
Jack, W6FB



> On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:43 AM, macymonkeys at charter.net wrote:
> 
> Interesting! Thanks to all..
> John K7FD
> 
> 	-----------------------------------------From: "Kenneth Christiansen"
> 
> To: "Macy monkeys"
> Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Sunday October 27 2019 11:15:43AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500...standby vs. operate
> 
> I have a Kill A Watt meter. Plugging the kpa 500 in with front switch
> off draws 7 watts. Standby draws 12 watts and operate draws 13 watts.
> 500 watts out on 20 meters draws 1,140 watts. 
> Hope that helps. 
> Ken. W0CZ
> w0cz at i29. Net
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 27, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Macy monkeys  wrote:
>> 
>> ?I am in and out of the shack all day with various nets and
> ragchews. Is there any advantage to putting the amp into standby
> between QSOs...or should I just leave it in operate? 
>> 
>> John K7FD
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From jackbrindle at me.com  Sun Oct 27 15:07:19 2019
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 12:07:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S K-line cabling
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Hi David! Great to hear form you...

To expand a little on Don?s excellent info, The PC connection for both the KAT500 and KPA500 are mostly used for remote control and firmware update. While you can send data to them from a transceiver (usually Kenwood) to control things, for your situation, that?s not what you want to do.

As Don notes, you want to connect the AUX/IO connectors from the K3 to the KAT500, then from the KAT500 to the KPA500. The big advantage is that frequency and some control information is carried from the K3 to the KAT (using the Auxbus), which it uses to determine antenna and LC selections. The KPA communicates over the Auxbus to the K3 to tell it its status (causing K3 to set power level if that is enabled). This is the only form of serial communications that flows between the three units, and some don?t listen (the KPA) or talk (the KAT). Of course the two units are also watching the K3?s Band lines, which also goes into the selection determination. 

To summarize, the PC connections on the KAT and KPA are really useful for remote control (usually with the KPA and KAT utilities, although some control programs also use them. For what you want, the AUX IO ports need to be connected. 

Lastly, be sure to use a cable with all 15 pins connected straight through. Do NOT use a VGA cable. They play with the signals in those cables, connecting several together, which will mess things up for us.

Hope you are enjoying CQWW this weekend; we miss you in NCCC!

73!
jack, W6FB


> On Oct 27, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> David,
> 
> Download the latest P3 manual and look on page 5.  You will need the CBLP3Y cable.
> 
> The KAT500 and KPA500 use the AUX cables and not the serial data.  The PC connection shown in the KAT500 manual is for connection to the PC for use of the KAT500 Utility and has nothing to do with the normal serial data between the K3 and the P3.
> 
> To get the serial band data to your antenna controller, use a "Y" cable at the PC connector on the P3.
> 
> There are other ways of connecting things as shown on page 6 of the P3 manual, but you will have to connect the PC to the PC connector on the P3 and not use the internal USB to serial adapter included in the KIO3B, but you will still have the USB soundcard that is internal to the K3.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 10/27/2019 12:08 PM, David Aslin G3WGN wrote:
>> I have upgraded my K3 with the KIO3B interface, so my PC is now connected via the USB port on the radio.
>> My question relates to the cabling for the complete K-line: K3S KPA500 KAT500 and P3
>> The cabling diagrams, even in the latest KAT500 manual, show the PC connected via the PC jack on the KAT500.  As noted, my K3 with KIO3B is connected to a PC via the USB port on the radio.  Which connection should I be using?  What difference does it make?
>> I also need to get band data to my Ultrabeam antenna controller (like a Steppir).  Where should I sniff the band data and will a simple Y cable do that?
>> 73, David G3WGN  M6O
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From n1nk at cox.net  Sun Oct 27 15:48:26 2019
From: n1nk at cox.net (Jim Spears)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 15:48:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 / KPA500 band switching oddity
Message-ID: <019c01d58cff$8106e700$8314b500$@cox.net>

I recently tripped over an oddity in the way the K3 <-> KPA500
communications handle band switching when commanded from software vs button
pushing.

 

Scenario 1:  

-          KPA500 is set to go to Standby on band change

-          Operator sets KPA500 to Operate

-          Operator makes QSOs or not

-          Operator changes bands from either K3 or KPA500 button push

-          K3 and KPA500 change bands

-          KPA500 goes to Standby

-          K3 gets the word and resumes full output power

-          All is right in this little corner of the world

 

Scenario 2:

-          KPA500 is set to go to Standby on band change

-          Operator sets KPA500 to Operate

-          Operator is making QSOs with WSJT-X, needing amp to work that
"rare one"

-          Operator uses WSJT-X to change bands

-          K3 and KPA500 change bands

-          KPA500 goes to Standby

-          K3 does NOT get the word and operates as if the KPA500 were still
in Operate, putting out low power vs the 100 watts expected

-          K3 and KPA500 are out of synch with respect to Operate vs Standby

 

I do not think I have seen the case when using WSJT-X to command band
changes where the KPA500 is in Operate and the K3 is at full power.  this
would not be good.  

 

So the issue seems to be band changes being commanded by software and not
button pushes.

 

Anyone else seen this?

 

Jim

N1NK

K3 s/n 6xxx


From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sun Oct 27 16:18:49 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 13:18:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500...standby vs. operate
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You are putting it into standby two places.? Don't you mean "operate" for the 
second list of things?

I have a K-Pod button dedicated to turning VOX on and off.

Wes? N7WS

On 10/27/2019 11:54 AM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote:
> The specific answer to your question isn?t in the hardware, but rather the firmware. With that in mind,
> going to STBY does the following:
> 1) Bypasses the TR switch, so that the signal path goes direct between the input and output RF ports.
> 2) Turns off the 60V power to lessen the load.
> 3) It also does some housekeeping things like turn on and off LEDs.
>
> Going into standby adds a few things to the obvious:
> 1) Check that the 270V bias power is valid,
> 2) Enables the TR switch (removing the signal bypass)
> 3) Enables 60V power.
> 4) Again, some housekeeping chores are performed.
>
> Now, what do I do when leaving the op position even for a few minutes? I always put the KPA in STBY mode. It just seems safer that way.
> But, I don?t really see much issue with leaving it in OPER mode.
>
> I also have a habit of disabling K3 VOX when I get up. Again, safer.
>
> 73!
> Jack, W6FB
>
>


From ac5p at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct 27 16:32:52 2019
From: ac5p at sbcglobal.net (Mike Maloney)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 20:32:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500...standby vs. operate
In-Reply-To: <fbc3cbfb-e131-dbdd-8cfd-ba4118146967@triconet.org>
References: <C135DBB8-8291-46FD-98F1-A6D49B9E5E78@me.com>
	<fbc3cbfb-e131-dbdd-8cfd-ba4118146967@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <1169191658.1084826.1572208372088@mail.yahoo.com>

 My kpa shows HV 76 both in standby AND operate.? Drops to 61V, key down, 500W output.? AC line input drops from 124 to 122V at same time. ?
Mike AC5P
    On Sunday, October 27, 2019, 03:19:39 PM CDT, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:  
 
 You are putting it into standby two places.? Don't you mean "operate" for the 
second list of things?

I have a K-Pod button dedicated to turning VOX on and off.

Wes? N7WS

On 10/27/2019 11:54 AM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote:
> The specific answer to your question isn?t in the hardware, but rather the firmware. With that in mind,
> going to STBY does the following:
> 1) Bypasses the TR switch, so that the signal path goes direct between the input and output RF ports.
> 2) Turns off the 60V power to lessen the load.
> 3) It also does some housekeeping things like turn on and off LEDs.
>
> Going into standby adds a few things to the obvious:
> 1) Check that the 270V bias power is valid,
> 2) Enables the TR switch (removing the signal bypass)
> 3) Enables 60V power.
> 4) Again, some housekeeping chores are performed.
>
> Now, what do I do when leaving the op position even for a few minutes? I always put the KPA in STBY mode. It just seems safer that way.
> But, I don?t really see much issue with leaving it in OPER mode.
>
> I also have a habit of disabling K3 VOX when I get up. Again, safer.
>
> 73!
> Jack, W6FB
>
>

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From jackbrindle at me.com  Sun Oct 27 16:35:09 2019
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 13:35:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500...standby vs. operate
In-Reply-To: <fbc3cbfb-e131-dbdd-8cfd-ba4118146967@triconet.org>
References: <C135DBB8-8291-46FD-98F1-A6D49B9E5E78@me.com>
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Message-ID: <37CA32D6-DF48-4539-B3B8-2B48DF8E4163@me.com>

Yes. Wish I had caught that before I pressed the send button. Thanks!

73!
Jack, W6FB

> On Oct 27, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
> 
> You are putting it into standby two places.  Don't you mean "operate" for the second list of things?
> 
> I have a K-Pod button dedicated to turning VOX on and off.
> 
> Wes  N7WS
> 
> On 10/27/2019 11:54 AM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote:
>> The specific answer to your question isn?t in the hardware, but rather the firmware. With that in mind,
>> going to STBY does the following:
>> 1) Bypasses the TR switch, so that the signal path goes direct between the input and output RF ports.
>> 2) Turns off the 60V power to lessen the load.
>> 3) It also does some housekeeping things like turn on and off LEDs.
>> 
>> Going into standby adds a few things to the obvious:
>> 1) Check that the 270V bias power is valid,
>> 2) Enables the TR switch (removing the signal bypass)
>> 3) Enables 60V power.
>> 4) Again, some housekeeping chores are performed.
>> 
>> Now, what do I do when leaving the op position even for a few minutes? I always put the KPA in STBY mode. It just seems safer that way.
>> But, I don?t really see much issue with leaving it in OPER mode.
>> 
>> I also have a habit of disabling K3 VOX when I get up. Again, safer.
>> 
>> 73!
>> Jack, W6FB
>> 
>> 
> 
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From jackbrindle at me.com  Sun Oct 27 16:39:10 2019
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 13:39:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500...standby vs. operate
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It all depends on where it is measured. It is switched after the measure point, so you will see a proper reading in both STBY and OPER.
It is not applied to the PA in STBY, though.

73!
Jack, W6fB


> On Oct 27, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Mike Maloney <ac5p at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> My kpa shows HV 76 both in standby AND operate.  Drops to 61V, key down, 500W output.  AC line input drops from 124 to 122V at same time.  
> Mike AC5P
>    On Sunday, October 27, 2019, 03:19:39 PM CDT, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:  
> 
> You are putting it into standby two places.  Don't you mean "operate" for the 
> second list of things?
> 
> I have a K-Pod button dedicated to turning VOX on and off.
> 
> Wes  N7WS
> 
> On 10/27/2019 11:54 AM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote:
>> The specific answer to your question isn?t in the hardware, but rather the firmware. With that in mind,
>> going to STBY does the following:
>> 1) Bypasses the TR switch, so that the signal path goes direct between the input and output RF ports.
>> 2) Turns off the 60V power to lessen the load.
>> 3) It also does some housekeeping things like turn on and off LEDs.
>> 
>> Going into standby adds a few things to the obvious:
>> 1) Check that the 270V bias power is valid,
>> 2) Enables the TR switch (removing the signal bypass)
>> 3) Enables 60V power.
>> 4) Again, some housekeeping chores are performed.
>> 
>> Now, what do I do when leaving the op position even for a few minutes? I always put the KPA in STBY mode. It just seems safer that way.
>> But, I don?t really see much issue with leaving it in OPER mode.
>> 
>> I also have a habit of disabling K3 VOX when I get up. Again, safer.
>> 
>> 73!
>> Jack, W6FB
>> 
>> 
> 
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From a.durbin at msn.com  Sun Oct 27 17:44:02 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 21:44:02 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500...standby vs. operate
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB29686A0752190ED1CA483C858C670@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"It all depends on where it is measured. It is switched after the measure point, so you will see a proper reading in both STBY and OPER.
It is not applied to the PA in STBY, though."

Yes indeed.  In the PA module PA voltage and current are measured before K4 which is controlled by "60V ENABLE".  60 V to the PA module is controlled in the power supply by K1 which is labeled "60 volt enable" and driven by "60V ENBL" from the interlock switch.  At a casual glance one might think "60V ENABLE" and 60V ENBL"  were the same signal but it seems they are not.  "60V ENABLE" seems to trace to "EN60V", then "EN60VA", and then "EN60A" from the MCU.  

The connector numbering and signal names used in the KPA500 always make signal tracing an "interesting" challenge.  I had to look because I often leave my KPA500 in OPER for hours when I'm not using it.  Still can't see why that would a problem though. 

73,
Andy, k3wyc

From gdanner12 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 27 17:51:32 2019
From: gdanner12 at gmail.com (Gmail - George)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 17:51:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S K-line cabling
In-Reply-To: <A7892B7F-FBFE-4F66-AB87-A483F59ABC5D@me.com>
References: <8a315282063f4184bc440e47e9ea985b@THHSTE15D2BE6.hs20.net><94c5b4db-c866-e547-5e73-ca711e5f7287@embarqmail.com>
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Jack,
Don't use a 15 pin straight through - not all pins are to be connected. My 
recollection is that 1 or 2 pins Must Not be connected to the K3!
Use the manual if not using the Elecraft Aux cable sets.

Because not all VGA cables are the same - you can use a VGA cable if you 
positively confirm that all 15 conductors pass through and No conductor is 
hooked to each other.
Some VGA cables tie the coax shields together at one or both ends - these 
cables should not be used. I had a half dozen VGA cables - the second cable 
I checked was one to one with no pins shorted together. I broke off the 
pin(s) not to be connected and voil? free cable from the junk shelf.

If in doubt - buy the Elecraft cables or make your own from the information 
in the Elecraft instruction books.

I recommend using the Aux cable sets to interconnect the K3, KPA500 & 
KAT500. The seem to operate as a single unit in 3 boxes.
Only thing I'd love to see is for the K3 "Tune" button to put the KPA500 in 
Stby & Tune the KAT500.

73
George AI4VZ




-----Original Message----- 
From: Jack Brindle via Elecraft

Hi David! Great to hear form you...

     . . .

Lastly, be sure to use a cable with all 15 pins connected straight through. 
Do NOT use a VGA cable. They play with the signals in those cables, 
connecting several together, which will mess things up for us.

Hope you are enjoying CQWW this weekend; we miss you in NCCC!

73!
jack, W6FB



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From richard at lamont.me.uk  Sun Oct 27 17:56:38 2019
From: richard at lamont.me.uk (Richard Lamont)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 21:56:38 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500...standby vs. operate
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Just measured the power consumption of my KPA500:

Standby 10 W  /  16 VA
Operate 12 W  /  16 VA

73,
Richard G4DYA

On 27/10/2019 16:59, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> John,
> 
> I do not think there is any harm in leaving it in operate.? If you are
> really "pinching pennies" on the electric bill, you might find a small
> advantage to switching it to standby.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 10/27/2019 12:36 PM, Macy monkeys wrote:
>> I am in and out of the shack all day with various nets and ragchews.
>> Is there any advantage to putting the amp into standby between
>> QSOs...or should I just leave it in operate?

From jackbrindle at me.com  Sun Oct 27 18:30:17 2019
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 15:30:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S K-line cabling
In-Reply-To: <CA556C4694A64DC39C9A3E6098A4A98F@OfficeDeskTop>
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George;

I agree with your assessment. When developing new firmware, I use a standard cable for testing. But in my station, I use custom-build cables that use only 10 or 11 wires plus shield.
I believe the the very first cable we tested with used only 10 lines between the KPA500 and K3 (there was no KAT500 at that time). 

But, if you are buying them, use the standard we outline in the KPA500 manual. The KPAK3AUX cable does this very well.

73!
Jack, W6FB

> On Oct 27, 2019, at 2:51 PM, Gmail - George <gdanner12 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Jack,
> Don't use a 15 pin straight through - not all pins are to be connected. My 
> recollection is that 1 or 2 pins Must Not be connected to the K3!
> Use the manual if not using the Elecraft Aux cable sets.
> 
> Because not all VGA cables are the same - you can use a VGA cable if you 
> positively confirm that all 15 conductors pass through and No conductor is 
> hooked to each other.
> Some VGA cables tie the coax shields together at one or both ends - these 
> cables should not be used. I had a half dozen VGA cables - the second cable 
> I checked was one to one with no pins shorted together. I broke off the 
> pin(s) not to be connected and voil? free cable from the junk shelf.
> 
> If in doubt - buy the Elecraft cables or make your own from the information 
> in the Elecraft instruction books.
> 
> I recommend using the Aux cable sets to interconnect the K3, KPA500 & 
> KAT500. The seem to operate as a single unit in 3 boxes.
> Only thing I'd love to see is for the K3 "Tune" button to put the KPA500 in 
> Stby & Tune the KAT500.
> 
> 73
> George AI4VZ
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Jack Brindle via Elecraft
> 
> Hi David! Great to hear form you...
> 
>     . . .
> 
> Lastly, be sure to use a cable with all 15 pins connected straight through. 
> Do NOT use a VGA cable. They play with the signals in those cables, 
> connecting several together, which will mess things up for us.
> 
> Hope you are enjoying CQWW this weekend; we miss you in NCCC!
> 
> 73!
> jack, W6FB
> 
> 
> 
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From thbauer at gmail.com  Sun Oct 27 20:13:59 2019
From: thbauer at gmail.com (T.H. Bauer)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 20:13:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500...standby vs. operate
Message-ID: <CAB0HKYHcD3sOOSznVSyt5KgowfxHFEBbBpAB8y03ra+2T9WfCA@mail.gmail.com>

Victor makes a good point. Although I no longer have pets, if I leave the
station (K3 + KPA500/KAT500) powered ON,
I place the KPA500 in Stby and the K3 into Test mode. That (hopefully)
ensures no errant transmissions while I  am
away from the shack.
I have to admit that I have sometimes returned and forgotten to put the K3
back into Normal mode. Then I wonder
why there are no responses to my calls (!!). Iguess at 73 I'm entitled to a
few of those mistakes.
73
---
Ted   WA3AER
CWops #1879

Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 19:53:54 +0200
From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500...standby vs. operate
Message-ID: <594e9185-54d9-f661-7fa9-0aa5fc26273e at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

If you have a pet larger than a goldfish, you should probably put it
into standby. Unless your pet is licensed to transmit.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Sun Oct 27 22:19:14 2019
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 22:19:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500...standby vs. operate
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I had a KPA500 at my remote station and I know that I have managed to leave
it on in Operate for weeks at a time by accident.

I don't think you need to worry about it.

Besides, it is a great watt meter even if you are in standby!

Mike va3mw


On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 8:14 PM T.H. Bauer <thbauer at gmail.com> wrote:

> Victor makes a good point. Although I no longer have pets, if I leave the
> station (K3 + KPA500/KAT500) powered ON,
> I place the KPA500 in Stby and the K3 into Test mode. That (hopefully)
> ensures no errant transmissions while I  am
> away from the shack.
> I have to admit that I have sometimes returned and forgotten to put the K3
> back into Normal mode. Then I wonder
> why there are no responses to my calls (!!). Iguess at 73 I'm entitled to a
> few of those mistakes.
> 73
> ---
> Ted   WA3AER
> CWops #1879
>
> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 19:53:54 +0200
> From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500...standby vs. operate
> Message-ID: <594e9185-54d9-f661-7fa9-0aa5fc26273e at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> If you have a pet larger than a goldfish, you should probably put it
> into standby. Unless your pet is licensed to transmit.
>
> 73,
> Victor, 4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> Formerly K2VCO
> CWops no. 5
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From billamader at gmail.com  Sun Oct 27 22:23:02 2019
From: billamader at gmail.com (K8TE)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 19:23:02 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 RFI on 12m
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	<818311D6-9533-44D0-BB3B-9228FC8DEAA0@triconet.org>
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Most hams cut their antenna length for lowest VSWR which is often NOT the
resonant point.  Resonance occurs when XsubL equals XsubC.  That means there
is no reactance at one frequency.  Impedance varies greatly with height
above ground.  The greatest radiation occurs at resonance which, again, is
often not at the lowest VSWR.  This is why a good antenna analyzer that
displays both VSWR and reactance is so helpful.  

Web sites abound with advice to cut the antenna for lowest VSWR.  Like
politics, the truth is difficult to find and, apparently, often hard to
believe.  And, anecdotal statements about how an antenna works
(WORK--WithOut Real Knowledge--K0BG) often has little to do with its
comparative performance.  Too few of us use real data (like WSPRLite) to
compare antennas and arrive at conclusions based on comparative data.

I liked the Pacificon theme this year:  "The Science of Radio"  That didn't
always apply in some of the presentations, but fortunately did in most I
attended.

73, Bill, K8TE



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From weaverwf at usermail.com  Sun Oct 27 22:26:22 2019
From: weaverwf at usermail.com (Bill Weaver)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 22:26:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500...standby vs. operate
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The danger that I find is leaving my K3 under windows rig control. I once found it sending out a string of dashesagter being left "on" (No the keyer paddle wasn't the cause:-)).   I too am in the habit of throwing it into test mode when I leave it alone.  
 

 
73,
 
Bill WE5P
 

 
 

 
 
 
 
 
>  
> On Oct 27, 2019 at 22:19, Michael Walker  <va3mw at portcredit.net>  wrote:
>  
>  
>  I had a KPA500 at my remote station and I know that I have managed to leave it on in Operate for weeks at a time by accident. I don't think you need to worry about it. Besides, it is a great watt meter even if you are in standby! Mike va3mw On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 8:14 PM T.H. Bauer wrote:  >  Victor makes a good point. Although I no longer have pets, if I leave the  >  station (K3 + KPA500/KAT500) powered ON,  >  I place the KPA500 in Stby and the K3 into Test mode. That (hopefully)  >  ensures no errant transmissions while I am  >  away from the shack.  >  I have to admit that I have sometimes returned and forgotten to put the K3  >  back into Normal mode. Then I wonder  >  why there are no responses to my calls (!!). Iguess at 73 I'm entitled to a  >  few of those mistakes.  >  73  >  ---  >  Ted WA3AER  >  CWops #1879  >   >  Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 19:53:54 +0200  >  From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP  >  To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net  >  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500...sta!
 ndby vs. 
operate  >  Message-ID:  <594e9185-54d9-f661-7fa9-0aa5fc26273e at gmail.com>   >  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed  >   >  If you have a pet larger than a goldfish, you should probably put it  >  into standby. Unless your pet is licensed to transmit.  >   >  73,  >  Victor, 4X6GP  >  Rehovot, Israel  >  Formerly K2VCO  >  CWops no. 5  >  ______________________________________________________________  >  Elecraft mailing list  >  Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft  >  Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm  >  Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net  >   >  This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net  >  Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html  >  Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net  >  ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list !
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From weaverwf at usermail.com  Sun Oct 27 22:31:18 2019
From: weaverwf at usermail.com (Bill Weaver)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 22:31:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500...standby vs. operate
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 That gibberish should read dashes after (I hate typing on a tablet!).  

 
73,
 
Bill WE5P
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
>  
> On Oct 27, 2019 at 22:26, Bill Weaver  <weaverwf at usermail.com>  wrote:
>  
>  
>  The danger that I find is leaving my K3 under windows rig control. I once found it sending out a string of dashesagter being left "on" (No the keyer paddle wasn't the cause:-)). I too am in the habit of throwing it into test mode when I leave it alone. 73, Bill WE5P  >   >  On Oct 27, 2019 at 22:19, Michael Walker wrote:  >   >   >  I had a KPA500 at my remote station and I know that I have managed to leave it on in Operate for weeks at a time by accident. I don't think you need to worry about it. Besides, it is a great watt meter even if you are in standby! Mike va3mw On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 8:14 PM T.H. Bauer wrote:  >  Victor makes a good point. Although I no longer have pets, if I leave the  >  station (K3 + KPA500/KAT500) powered ON,  >  I place the KPA500 in Stby and the K3 into Test mode. That (hopefully)  >  ensures no errant transmissions while I am  >  away from the shack.  >  I have to admit that I have sometimes returned and forgotten to put the K3  >  back in!
 to Normal
 mode. Then I wonder  >  why there are no responses to my calls (!!). Iguess at 73 I'm entitled to a  >  few of those mistakes.  >  73  >  ---  >  Ted WA3AER  >  CWops #1879  >   >  Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 19:53:54 +0200  >  From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP  >  To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net  >  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500...sta! ndby vs. operate  >  Message-ID:  <594e9185-54d9-f661-7fa9-0aa5fc26273e at gmail.com>   >  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed  >   >  If you have a pet larger than a goldfish, you should probably put it  >  into standby. Unless your pet is licensed to transmit.  >   >  73,  >  Victor, 4X6GP  >  Rehovot, Israel  >  Formerly K2VCO  >  CWops no. 5  >  ______________________________________________________________  >  Elecraft mailing list  >  Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft  >  Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm  >  Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net  >   >  This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net  >  Please h!
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From k9ma at sdellington.us  Mon Oct 28 01:25:59 2019
From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 00:25:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500...standby vs. operate
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I guess I'm old-fashioned, but I still don't quite trust this thing with 
all the software. So I have an actual mechanical "switch" between the 
computer and the radio. When I turn it off, there is absolutely no way 
Windows can transmit. (It's also handy when the computer goes berserk in 
the middle of a contest.) But the radio also has this software stuff in 
it, so I put the amplifier in standby, the idea being that 100 W 
probably won't do as much damage as 1500. Unless, of course, I deem it 
worth the trouble to turn off the other switches.

73,
Scott K9MA

On 10/27/2019 21:26, Bill Weaver wrote:
>   
>   
> The danger that I find is leaving my K3 under windows rig control. I once found it sending out a string of dashesagter being left "on" (No the keyer paddle wasn't the cause:-)).   I too am in the habit of throwing it into test mode when I leave it alone.
>   
>
>   
> 73,
>   
> Bill WE5P
>   
>
>   
>   
>
>   
>   
>   
>   
>

-- 
Scott  K9MA

k9ma at sdellington.us


From kevinr at coho.net  Mon Oct 28 01:52:31 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 22:52:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <1cd2b515-e0e4-a2e5-c826-a2887f8be1d0@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? QSB was very slow and not very deep; a little faster on forty 
meters.? Both bands were quiet, so quiet it wasn't easy to find anyone.

 ?? The smoke and fires are creating lots of problems in California.? 
Hopefully the recent cold front will reach them and slow the winds.


 ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

NO8V - John - MI

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K4JPN - Steve - GA

K6XK - Roy - IA


 ? On 7047.5 kHz at 0000z:

K4TO - Dave - KY

K6PJV - Dale - CA

W0CZ - Ken - ND


 ?? Until next week stay well,

 ????? Kevin.? KD5ONS


-




From david at aslinvc.com  Mon Oct 28 05:15:51 2019
From: david at aslinvc.com (David Aslin G3WGN)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 09:15:51 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S K-line cabling
In-Reply-To: <94c5b4db-c866-e547-5e73-ca711e5f7287@embarqmail.com>
References: <8a315282063f4184bc440e47e9ea985b@THHSTE15D2BE6.hs20.net>
	<94c5b4db-c866-e547-5e73-ca711e5f7287@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <f6596ddd44d9499789c0c643633d6f44@THHSTE15D2BE6.hs20.net>

Don, many thanks for this.
The mist is at last clearing.  I have the CBLP3Y connected as per the P3 manual and all works well.
I now understand that the 'PC' jack is predominantly for firmware updates/Elecraft Utility and remote operation.  It was naming several connectors 'PC' across all the boxes that had me confused about where the shack PC should connect.  It's on the USB and staying there ;-)

Will buy/make a suitable Y cable to connect the antenna controller to the P3 PC connector.
Thanks again,
73, David G3WGN  M6O

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com] 
Sent: 27 October 2019 16:56
To: David Aslin G3WGN <david at aslinvc.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S K-line cabling

David,

Download the latest P3 manual and look on page 5.  You will need the CBLP3Y cable.

The KAT500 and KPA500 use the AUX cables and not the serial data.  The PC connection shown in the KAT500 manual is for connection to the PC for use of the KAT500 Utility and has nothing to do with the normal serial data between the K3 and the P3.

To get the serial band data to your antenna controller, use a "Y" cable at the PC connector on the P3.

There are other ways of connecting things as shown on page 6 of the P3 manual, but you will have to connect the PC to the PC connector on the
P3 and not use the internal USB to serial adapter included in the KIO3B, but you will still have the USB soundcard that is internal to the K3.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/27/2019 12:08 PM, David Aslin G3WGN wrote:
> I have upgraded my K3 with the KIO3B interface, so my PC is now connected via the USB port on the radio.
> My question relates to the cabling for the complete K-line: K3S KPA500 
> KAT500 and P3 The cabling diagrams, even in the latest KAT500 manual, show the PC connected via the PC jack on the KAT500.  As noted, my K3 with KIO3B is connected to a PC via the USB port on the radio.  Which connection should I be using?  What difference does it make?
> 
> I also need to get band data to my Ultrabeam antenna controller (like a Steppir).  Where should I sniff the band data and will a simple Y cable do that?
> 73, David G3WGN  M6O

From david at aslinvc.com  Mon Oct 28 05:21:09 2019
From: david at aslinvc.com (David Aslin G3WGN)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 09:21:09 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S K-line cabling
In-Reply-To: <A7892B7F-FBFE-4F66-AB87-A483F59ABC5D@me.com>
References: <8a315282063f4184bc440e47e9ea985b@THHSTE15D2BE6.hs20.net>
	<94c5b4db-c866-e547-5e73-ca711e5f7287@embarqmail.com>
	<A7892B7F-FBFE-4F66-AB87-A483F59ABC5D@me.com>
Message-ID: <b6a5359c746e4247b9da78fb6538b8f4@THHSTE15D2BE6.hs20.net>

Hi Jack, likewise great to reconnect!
Thanks for your info which together with Don's has helped clarify my thinking (see my reply to Don).
Had a play in CQWW with the 4-el Ultrabeam on a luffed-over trailer tower.  Average antenna height - 10ft.  Worked around the Caribbean and east coast and even managed an ATNO (D68).  Just shows anything radiates! 
Building up now to CQWW CW.  Really miss the NCCC fellowship! Hope to see at least some old friends at Dayton next year.
73, David G3WGN  M6O and still WJ6O


-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Brindle [mailto:jackbrindle at me.com] 
Sent: 27 October 2019 19:07
To: David Aslin G3WGN <david at aslinvc.com>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S K-line cabling

Hi David! Great to hear form you...

To expand a little on Don?s excellent info, The PC connection for both the KAT500 and KPA500 are mostly used for remote control and firmware update. While you can send data to them from a transceiver (usually Kenwood) to control things, for your situation, that?s not what you want to do.

As Don notes, you want to connect the AUX/IO connectors from the K3 to the KAT500, then from the KAT500 to the KPA500. The big advantage is that frequency and some control information is carried from the K3 to the KAT (using the Auxbus), which it uses to determine antenna and LC selections. The KPA communicates over the Auxbus to the K3 to tell it its status (causing K3 to set power level if that is enabled). This is the only form of serial communications that flows between the three units, and some don?t listen (the KPA) or talk (the KAT). Of course the two units are also watching the K3?s Band lines, which also goes into the selection determination. 

To summarize, the PC connections on the KAT and KPA are really useful for remote control (usually with the KPA and KAT utilities, although some control programs also use them. For what you want, the AUX IO ports need to be connected. 

Lastly, be sure to use a cable with all 15 pins connected straight through. Do NOT use a VGA cable. They play with the signals in those cables, connecting several together, which will mess things up for us.

Hope you are enjoying CQWW this weekend; we miss you in NCCC!

73!
jack, W6FB


> On Oct 27, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> David,
> 
> Download the latest P3 manual and look on page 5.  You will need the CBLP3Y cable.
> 
> The KAT500 and KPA500 use the AUX cables and not the serial data.  The PC connection shown in the KAT500 manual is for connection to the PC for use of the KAT500 Utility and has nothing to do with the normal serial data between the K3 and the P3.
> 
> To get the serial band data to your antenna controller, use a "Y" cable at the PC connector on the P3.
> 
> There are other ways of connecting things as shown on page 6 of the P3 manual, but you will have to connect the PC to the PC connector on the P3 and not use the internal USB to serial adapter included in the KIO3B, but you will still have the USB soundcard that is internal to the K3.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 10/27/2019 12:08 PM, David Aslin G3WGN wrote:
>> I have upgraded my K3 with the KIO3B interface, so my PC is now connected via the USB port on the radio.
>> My question relates to the cabling for the complete K-line: K3S 
>> KPA500 KAT500 and P3 The cabling diagrams, even in the latest KAT500 manual, show the PC connected via the PC jack on the KAT500.  As noted, my K3 with KIO3B is connected to a PC via the USB port on the radio.  Which connection should I be using?  What difference does it make?
>> I also need to get band data to my Ultrabeam antenna controller (like a Steppir).  Where should I sniff the band data and will a simple Y cable do that?
>> 73, David G3WGN  M6O
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From pkiciak at gmail.com  Mon Oct 28 07:10:20 2019
From: pkiciak at gmail.com (Paul Kiciak)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 11:10:20 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Sharing of Keyboard and Mouse on One USB Port
Message-ID: <9b91ce18-b266-7ea7-f01d-3a0b447bbe7c@gmail.com>


From pkiciak at gmail.com  Mon Oct 28 07:48:18 2019
From: pkiciak at gmail.com (Paul Kiciak)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 11:48:18 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Sharing of Keyboard and Mouse on One USB Port
Message-ID: <0d388c81-b887-d7ee-feab-58c912bb6325@gmail.com>

Hi All,

Will the K4 support a keyboard and mouse being connected using only one of its USB ports
as would occur with a KVM switch?

Tnx and 73,
Paul N2PK

From n1rx at comcast.net  Mon Oct 28 12:18:02 2019
From: n1rx at comcast.net (Bruce Beford)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:18:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A no longer available?
Message-ID: <mailman.187.1572279794.13233.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

With the discontinuation of the K3S, I decided to take a look at the website to see if the KSYN3A updated synthesizer modules are still available for my original K3, s/n 559. It does not appear there anymore. Are these updated synth modules in fact, now gone?
Bruce, N1RX



From n1rx at comcast.net  Mon Oct 28 12:29:27 2019
From: n1rx at comcast.net (Bruce Beford)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:29:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A no longer available?
Message-ID: <mailman.188.1572280172.13233.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Never mind. Still available. Found them on the site by searching for the upgrade kit name, K3SYN3AUPG 
-Bruce, N1RX

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From psaffren at elecraft.com  Mon Oct 28 12:34:37 2019
From: psaffren at elecraft.com (n6hz)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 09:34:37 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Sharing of Keyboard and Mouse on One USB Port
In-Reply-To: <0d388c81-b887-d7ee-feab-58c912bb6325@gmail.com>
References: <0d388c81-b887-d7ee-feab-58c912bb6325@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1572280477908-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Paul, 

The K4 supports composite keyboard/mouse USB devices. 

73, 

Paul






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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Oct 28 12:35:16 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 09:35:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Sharing of Keyboard and Mouse on One USB Port
In-Reply-To: <0d388c81-b887-d7ee-feab-58c912bb6325@gmail.com>
References: <0d388c81-b887-d7ee-feab-58c912bb6325@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B9C8F1D4-D94F-45A1-83C8-139CC93DAB3B@elecraft.com>

Yes. 

Wayne
N6KR

----
elecraft.com

> On Oct 28, 2019, at 4:48 AM, Paul Kiciak <pkiciak at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Will the K4 support a keyboard and mouse being connected using only one of its USB ports
> as would occur with a KVM switch?
> 
> Tnx and 73,
> Paul N2PK
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From Gary at ka1j.com  Mon Oct 28 12:53:39 2019
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:53:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 VFO A Knob size
Message-ID: <5DB71D13.23128.5D390D@Gary.ka1j.com>

I have one of the apparently discontinued 
CNC machined knobs on my K3s, the one with 
the bearing for the finger dimple. I 
really find that bearinged dimple an asset 
I use constantly, especially in contests. 

The K4 doesn't come with one & I would 
like to migrate it to the K4. Are the 
knobs the same size on the K4?

Thanks & 73,

Gary
KA1J

From w2bvh at comcast.net  Mon Oct 28 12:57:37 2019
From: w2bvh at comcast.net (w2bvh)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:57:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Transverter i/f?
Message-ID: <23292183-c28b-45b9-89a8-ef7de8a10546@comcast.net>

Will K4 have a low level transverter interface? I have vhf+ bands to 6M 
- 2.3G with 3.4 on the way. Can they connect to a K4 ?

73,

--Lenny W2BVH

K2 #1520


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Oct 28 13:07:00 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 10:07:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 VFO A Knob size
In-Reply-To: <5DB71D13.23128.5D390D@Gary.ka1j.com>
References: <5DB71D13.23128.5D390D@Gary.ka1j.com>
Message-ID: <D75C1394-E4B7-4938-941B-13104E1D7BB8@elecraft.com>

The K4 uses the same machined knob and rubber band as the K3S.

Wayne
N6KR

----
elecraft.com

> On Oct 28, 2019, at 9:53 AM, Gary Smith <Gary at ka1j.com> wrote:
> 
> I have one of the apparently discontinued 
> CNC machined knobs on my K3s, the one with 
> the bearing for the finger dimple. I 
> really find that bearinged dimple an asset 
> I use constantly, especially in contests. 
> 
> The K4 doesn't come with one & I would 
> like to migrate it to the K4. Are the 
> knobs the same size on the K4?
> 
> Thanks & 73,
> 
> Gary
> KA1J
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Oct 28 13:07:22 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 10:07:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Transverter i/f?
In-Reply-To: <23292183-c28b-45b9-89a8-ef7de8a10546@comcast.net>
References: <23292183-c28b-45b9-89a8-ef7de8a10546@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CDE9C2EF-9E42-41CB-A2DD-181FDE516999@elecraft.com>

Yes. 

Wayne
N6KR

----
elecraft.com

> On Oct 28, 2019, at 9:57 AM, w2bvh <w2bvh at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Will K4 have a low level transverter interface? I have vhf+ bands to 6M - 2.3G with 3.4 on the way. Can they connect to a K4 ?
> 
> 73,
> 
> --Lenny W2BVH
> 
> K2 #1520
> 
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From k2asp at kanafi.org  Mon Oct 28 14:40:16 2019
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 11:40:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] RX noise and 2-wire lines (was: KPA1500 RFI on 12m)
In-Reply-To: <037801d58cf4$fea4a6d0$fbedf470$@LNAINC.com>
References: <1958695472.1740714.1571947694162.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1958695472.1740714.1571947694162@mail.yahoo.com> <CA+33ts6B7d-oU
	jB2nq0CJnjNE6rCkd=t6FvU-8FGJJnK8ayvxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<818311D6-9533-44D0-BB3B-9228FC8DEAA0@triconet.org>
	<db86b409-4b40-9d25-4cfe-795722b1ec06@triconet.org>
	<bdf05d3c-0460-4f34-2311-0db8d603a2dd@blomand.net>
	<39b323b8-435d-b427-9b80-4ce2e459a2a1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<1459caac-cfa9-6cb5-c6e7-2753ad7a153a@gmail.com>
	<037801d58cf4$fea4a6d0$fbedf470$@LNAINC.com>
Message-ID: <73df2236-4c31-34f1-2342-5552dfabd97f@kanafi.org>

On 10/27/2019 11:33 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:

> Your mileage may vary, but for anyone looking to try something new
> (actually a very OLD design), it's a fun project.

If I had 400 feet for an antenna that's the type of antenna that I would
go for too, but I barely have 400 inches.  Have fun with the antenna.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Mon Oct 28 14:54:03 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 14:54:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] RX noise and 2-wire lines (was: KPA1500 RFI on 12m)
In-Reply-To: <73df2236-4c31-34f1-2342-5552dfabd97f@kanafi.org>
References: <1958695472.1740714.1571947694162.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1958695472.1740714.1571947694162@mail.yahoo.com> <CA+33ts6B7d-oU
	jB2nq0CJnjNE6rCkd=t6FvU-8FGJJnK8ayvxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<818311D6-9533-44D0-BB3B-9228FC8DEAA0@triconet.org>
	<db86b409-4b40-9d25-4cfe-795722b1ec06@triconet.org>
	<bdf05d3c-0460-4f34-2311-0db8d603a2dd@blomand.net>
	<39b323b8-435d-b427-9b80-4ce2e459a2a1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<1459caac-cfa9-6cb5-c6e7-2753ad7a153a@gmail.com>
	<037801d58cf4$fea4a6d0$fbedf470$@LNAINC.com>
	<73df2236-4c31-34f1-2342-5552dfabd97f@kanafi.org>
Message-ID: <4A25AF29-725A-4D79-A57B-F9C787111170@gmail.com>

Don?t you love it when guy?s are taking about their latest large antenna projects?  I read these things, look wistfully out back into my 30?x30? townhouse courtyard, and wonder if I can dare put my Buddipole 40M dipole up one more foot without attracting the ire of some resident who will report my illicit activity to the HOA.  That?s about as big as my antenna projects can get ??

Grant NQ5T

> 
> 
> On 10/27/2019 11:33 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
> 
>> Your mileage may vary, but for anyone looking to try something new
>> (actually a very OLD design), it's a fun project.
> 
> If I had 400 feet for an antenna that's the type of antenna that I would
> go for too, but I barely have 400 inches.  Have fun with the antenna.

> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
> Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402
> 


From wc1m73 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 28 15:40:31 2019
From: wc1m73 at gmail.com (wc1m73 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 15:40:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT sort of.  Charging Lithium Ion batteries
In-Reply-To: <5A18F637-98DB-48E9-8D5D-C6F65C3CDF5F@mchsi.com>
References: <5A18F637-98DB-48E9-8D5D-C6F65C3CDF5F@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <000001d58dc7$919c3700$b4d4a500$@gmail.com>

FWIW, iOS 13, Apple's latest version of the iPhone operating system, charges
the battery to 80% and holds it there. It's AI algorithm tries to figure out
when you're going to need the phone (i.e., will take it off the charger),
and tries to time the remaining charge to 100% for that event. Of course,
that won't work too well if you don't take your phone off the charger
roughly at the same time each day. Also, I've seen some differences in how
close it gets to 100% when charging wirelessly or wired -- i.e., it gets to
100% more often with wired charging. It's possible the AI doesn't take the
difference in charging speed into account.

73, Dick WC1M

-----Original Message-----
From: David Christ <radioham at mchsi.com> 
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 4:18 PM
To: Elecraft List <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] OT sort of. Charging Lithium Ion batteries

I recently read that Lithium Ion batteries should be charged only to 80%
unless you are going to need full capacity.  Supposedly makes them last
longer.  

Anyone ever heard of this?

If true does this also apply to LiPO4 batteries?

David K0LUM




From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Mon Oct 28 15:45:29 2019
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 14:45:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] RX noise and 2-wire lines (was: KPA1500 RFI on 12m)
In-Reply-To: <4A25AF29-725A-4D79-A57B-F9C787111170@gmail.com>
References: <1958695472.1740714.1571947694162.ref@mail.yahoo.com>	<1958695472.1740714.1571947694162@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CA+33ts6B7d-oU	jB2nq0CJnjNE6rCkd=t6FvU-8FGJJnK8ayvxA@mail.gmail.com>	<818311D6-9533-44D0-BB3B-9228FC8DEAA0@triconet.org>	<db86b409-4b40-9d25-4cfe-795722b1ec06@triconet.org>	<bdf05d3c-0460-4f34-2311-0db8d603a2dd@blomand.net>	<39b323b8-435d-b427-9b80-4ce2e459a2a1@audiosystemsgroup.com>	<1459caac-cfa9-6cb5-c6e7-2753ad7a153a@gmail.com>	<037801d58cf4$fea4a6d0$fbedf470$@LNAINC.com>	<73df2236-4c31-34f1-2342-5552dfabd97f@kanafi.org>
	<4A25AF29-725A-4D79-A57B-F9C787111170@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <05b201d58dc8$40c781d0$c2568570$@LNAINC.com>

Who ... me?  It seems like foreign territory to fall into that category after spending most of my 50 ham years on the other end of the stick.

When I retired a couple years ago, and decided to get serious about ham radio again, I managed to successfully run for a seat on our HOA Board (it's easy ... nobody wants the job).  Eventually I was able to get our very strict guidelines changed to allow "reasonable" outside antennas for licensed amateurs.  And so far, no complaints on my setup.

Most recently, I have agreed to serve as the Architectural and Landscape Review "committee" so if there is a complaint ... well ... you get the picture.

73
Lyn, W?LEN


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Grant Youngman
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 1:54 PM
To: k2asp at arrl.net
Cc: Elecraft Refl
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RX noise and 2-wire lines (was: KPA1500 RFI on 12m)

Don?t you love it when guy?s are taking about their latest large antenna projects?  I read these things, look wistfully out back into my 30?x30? townhouse courtyard, and wonder if I can dare put my Buddipole 40M dipole up one more foot without attracting the ire of some resident who will report my illicit activity to the HOA.  That?s about as big as my antenna projects can get ??

Grant NQ5T

> 
> 
> On 10/27/2019 11:33 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
> 
>> Your mileage may vary, but for anyone looking to try something new
>> (actually a very OLD design), it's a fun project.
> 
> If I had 400 feet for an antenna that's the type of antenna that I would
> go for too, but I barely have 400 inches.  Have fun with the antenna.

> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
> Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402
> 

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From wa6nhc at gmail.com  Mon Oct 28 16:35:15 2019
From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 13:35:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] RX noise and 2-wire lines
In-Reply-To: <4A25AF29-725A-4D79-A57B-F9C787111170@gmail.com>
References: <1958695472.1740714.1571947694162.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1958695472.1740714.1571947694162@mail.yahoo.com> <CA+33ts6B7d-oU
	jB2nq0CJnjNE6rCkd=t6FvU-8FGJJnK8ayvxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<818311D6-9533-44D0-BB3B-9228FC8DEAA0@triconet.org>
	<db86b409-4b40-9d25-4cfe-795722b1ec06@triconet.org>
	<bdf05d3c-0460-4f34-2311-0db8d603a2dd@blomand.net>
	<39b323b8-435d-b427-9b80-4ce2e459a2a1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<1459caac-cfa9-6cb5-c6e7-2753ad7a153a@gmail.com>
	<037801d58cf4$fea4a6d0$fbedf470$@LNAINC.com>
	<73df2236-4c31-34f1-2342-5552dfabd97f@kanafi.org>
	<4A25AF29-725A-4D79-A57B-F9C787111170@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b7ae7364-f421-3828-0987-1f5eebfbb414@gmail.com>

I had a similar 370' antenna hidden on the oaks above 'the common area' 
(that no one ever used, it wasn't developed); it allowed me 200+ 
countries.? That HOA had a severe case of cranial rectumitus, folks with 
an inflated sense of self importance and the false sense of power.? I'll 
be durned if I need someone's permission to plant a flower on MY land 
and their choice of paint color was akin to what is seen inside a 
newborn's diaper.

I escaped the state and haven't missed it for a moment.? With all the 
current events, I'm extra glad to not be an unwilling participant there; 
it's approaching third world status quickly.

Now, I'm almost done assembling a SteppIR DB36 (80-6M, it, the tower and 
prop pitch were parts of an estate sale) where the noise floor is 
honestly 28-30dB lower.? The only remaining issue now is time before the 
snow accumulates making it too difficult to finish (another 10 hours 
ought to do it, but snowing now).? The nearest neighbor (also a ham, 
with a SteppIR) is 700' away; we each have room to breathe and will 
coordinate operations should the need arise (he contests, I avoid them; 
shouldn't be any issues, besides he is QRP and I have the KPA1500).

Not everyone can do this, I get it.? (I even sold at a large loss.)? But 
if such a move is within your reach, do it.? Life is too short to have 
to put up with corporate stupidity and huge false egos and (often 
hidden) agendas.? And then there is the politics, ugh.? The cost of 
living here is less and the quality of life is VASTLY improved, even if 
I have to drive 75 miles for the closest Costco.

When I arrived here I was told "Welcome to America!" and that has been 
true, absolutely spot on, every day.? I am truly blessed.

73,
Rick NHC
N Idaho (we're closed, please try South Dakota?)

On 10/28/2019 11:54 AM, Grant Youngman wrote:
> Don?t you love it when guy?s are taking about their latest large antenna projects?  I read these things, look wistfully out back into my 30?x30? townhouse courtyard, and wonder if I can dare put my Buddipole 40M dipole up one more foot without attracting the ire of some resident who will report my illicit activity to the HOA.  That?s about as big as my antenna projects can get ??
>
> Grant NQ5T
>

From ardrhi at gmail.com  Mon Oct 28 16:54:58 2019
From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 16:54:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] RX noise and 2-wire lines
In-Reply-To: <b7ae7364-f421-3828-0987-1f5eebfbb414@gmail.com>
References: <1958695472.1740714.1571947694162.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1958695472.1740714.1571947694162@mail.yahoo.com>
	<818311D6-9533-44D0-BB3B-9228FC8DEAA0@triconet.org>
	<db86b409-4b40-9d25-4cfe-795722b1ec06@triconet.org>
	<bdf05d3c-0460-4f34-2311-0db8d603a2dd@blomand.net>
	<39b323b8-435d-b427-9b80-4ce2e459a2a1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<1459caac-cfa9-6cb5-c6e7-2753ad7a153a@gmail.com>
	<037801d58cf4$fea4a6d0$fbedf470$@LNAINC.com>
	<73df2236-4c31-34f1-2342-5552dfabd97f@kanafi.org>
	<4A25AF29-725A-4D79-A57B-F9C787111170@gmail.com>
	<b7ae7364-f421-3828-0987-1f5eebfbb414@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+nQa2OBhT7ApSkWB77xAf8MUfuUTRAinu2XDoqVMwRSn41M-A@mail.gmail.com>

When I lived in a 3rd floor apartment, I used to use a slingshot to fire a
fishing sinker with a 28-gauge magnet wire attached, across the parking lot
under our balcony into a wooded area's trees. Then I dangled a counterpoise
behind a downspout where it wouldn't be seen, and tuned it all with a
random wire tuner. Got me to Europe fairly consistently, and lots of the
US. Nobody ever saw it. I even had a 2m Moxon inside a wooden garden
privacy screen on my balcony that kept the radiation outside the building
so it no longer got into the downstairs neighbor's clock radio.

73,
Gwen, NG3P

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 4:40 PM Rick WA6NHC <wa6nhc at gmail.com> wrote:

> I had a similar 370' antenna hidden on the oaks above 'the common area'
> (that no one ever used, it wasn't developed); it allowed me 200+
> countries.  That HOA had a severe case of cranial rectumitus, folks with
> an inflated sense of self importance and the false sense of power.  I'll
> be durned if I need someone's permission to plant a flower on MY land
> and their choice of paint color was akin to what is seen inside a
> newborn's diaper.
>
> I escaped the state and haven't missed it for a moment.  With all the
> current events, I'm extra glad to not be an unwilling participant there;
> it's approaching third world status quickly.
>
> Now, I'm almost done assembling a SteppIR DB36 (80-6M, it, the tower and
> prop pitch were parts of an estate sale) where the noise floor is
> honestly 28-30dB lower.  The only remaining issue now is time before the
> snow accumulates making it too difficult to finish (another 10 hours
> ought to do it, but snowing now).  The nearest neighbor (also a ham,
> with a SteppIR) is 700' away; we each have room to breathe and will
> coordinate operations should the need arise (he contests, I avoid them;
> shouldn't be any issues, besides he is QRP and I have the KPA1500).
>
> Not everyone can do this, I get it.  (I even sold at a large loss.)  But
> if such a move is within your reach, do it.  Life is too short to have
> to put up with corporate stupidity and huge false egos and (often
> hidden) agendas.  And then there is the politics, ugh.  The cost of
> living here is less and the quality of life is VASTLY improved, even if
> I have to drive 75 miles for the closest Costco.
>
> When I arrived here I was told "Welcome to America!" and that has been
> true, absolutely spot on, every day.  I am truly blessed.
>
> 73,
> Rick NHC
> N Idaho (we're closed, please try South Dakota?)
>
> On 10/28/2019 11:54 AM, Grant Youngman wrote:
> > Don?t you love it when guy?s are taking about their latest large antenna
> projects?  I read these things, look wistfully out back into my 30?x30?
> townhouse courtyard, and wonder if I can dare put my Buddipole 40M dipole
> up one more foot without attracting the ire of some resident who will
> report my illicit activity to the HOA.  That?s about as big as my antenna
> projects can get ??
> >
> > Grant NQ5T
> >
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From pubx1 at af2z.net  Mon Oct 28 17:31:51 2019
From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 17:31:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] RX noise and 2-wire lines
In-Reply-To: <1459caac-cfa9-6cb5-c6e7-2753ad7a153a@gmail.com>
References: <1958695472.1740714.1571947694162.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1958695472.1740714.1571947694162@mail.yahoo.com> <CA+33ts6B7d-oU
	jB2nq0CJnjNE6rCkd=t6FvU-8FGJJnK8ayvxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<818311D6-9533-44D0-BB3B-9228FC8DEAA0@triconet.org>
	<db86b409-4b40-9d25-4cfe-795722b1ec06@triconet.org>
	<bdf05d3c-0460-4f34-2311-0db8d603a2dd@blomand.net>
	<39b323b8-435d-b427-9b80-4ce2e459a2a1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<1459caac-cfa9-6cb5-c6e7-2753ad7a153a@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e4eb648d-45e2-c2d1-4a9f-e58f687f82fc@af2z.net>

My RX antenna is a pair of small amplified stacked loops. It uses the 
LZ1AQ amplifier board fed with common FTP (foil twisted pair) cable, 
which provides the supply voltage, control lines and a shielded twisted 
pair for the signal. I don't think you can get any better noise 
isolation than that.

It is a lot quieter than my transmitting antennas; lower signal levels 
as well, but often a better signal-to-noise ratio than the transmit 
antennas.

73,
Drew
AF2Z


On 10/26/19 10:11, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote:
> Jim,
> 
> I have to disagree about balanced line. Unlike coax, both conductors are 
> exposed to external RF fields, so common mode noise will be rejected. If 
> the antenna and line are properly balanced (not always easy to do, I 
> admit) and if it is fed through a balanced antenna tuner, there is no 
> reason for it to be noisier than coax. Yes, it can't be choked, but it 
> doesn't need to be.
> 
> My antenna is a 10m long rotary dipole fed with open line. It has gone 
> through several iterations and I've been very careful to install the 
> line so that it is perpendicular to the antenna for as far as possible, 
> etc. I've tried various balun arrangements, but the system that works 
> best, both for reducing RF in the shack when transmitting and noise 
> immunity when receiving, is a Johnson kW Matchbox.
> 
> There is a building taller than mine a few hundred meters away from it, 
> and a very distinct noise peak when the antenna is turned toward it, 
> which seems to indicate that the noise is picked up by the antenna, not 
> the line. I notice the same noise peak with a coax-fed shielded loop 
> antenna, so it is definitely coming from the building, and isn't an 
> artifact of the alignment of the antenna to the line.? I am pretty sure 
> I have at least a 10 dB difference in noise when a band is open (at 
> least, when the antenna is not aimed at that building), but I will wait 
> until the band is solidly dead tonight to check that out.
> 
> My pattern is a form of figure 8 on 40-10 meters, but you are right that 
> you can't maintain the pattern over a greater frequency range.
> 
> My main point is that there is nothing inherently noisy about a two-wire 
> transmission line!
> 
> 73,
> Victor, 4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> Formerly K2VCO
> CWops no. 5
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
> On 26-Oct-2019 10:32, Jim Brown wrote:
>> On 10/25/2019 2:01 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>>> Except for my 6M yagi, all of my antennas are non-resonant antennas. 
>>> My favorite is the 256 ft center fed wire {resonant at 1.825 MHz} 
>>> with a balanced feed.
>>
>> Dean Straw, N6BV, retired editor of the ARRL Antenna Book and Antenna 
>> Compendiums, is a very smart engineer and a very good friend. But his 
>> promotion of this sort of antenna is probably the greatest error of 
>> his time in that job, an idea whose time is LONG past, for many 
>> reasons. Primary -- 1) it cannot be choked to kill noise on RX, and 
>> 99.9% of hams live surrounded by local noise and 2) it's pattern is 
>> different on every frequency.
>>
>> I am a strong believer in resonant antennas for each band, if if the 
>> must be multi-band antennas like fan dipoles to fit in the available 
>> space. For example, a 20/15/10 fan fits in 33 ft and works great, with 
>> a predictable pattern on each band. An 80/40 fan works on 15M, with a 
>> predictable pattern on both 80 and 40. Hypower Antenna company sells 
>> loaded antennas that are resonant on 80 and 40 and fit into about 100 
>> ft; I used one in Chicago on 30 to great effect. All of these antennas 
>> are fed with 50 or 75 ohm coax, and CAN be choked to kill RX noise.
>>
>> RX noise is a VERY big deal -- if you can't hear 'em, you can't work 
>> 'em. If you haven't worked to minimize your RX noise, you're DXing 
>> with one hand tied behind your back! My friend AG6EE goes to remote 
>> locations in NV, OR, and CA to light up rare grids with 1kW on 6M. 
>> Folks trying to work him complain of one-way propagation because he 
>> hears them really well and the don't hear him, but the REAL problem is 
>> their local RX noise.
>>
>> http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf? Text, NCJ article
>> http://k9yc.com/KillingRXNoiseVisalia.pdf? Slides Visalia talk
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
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From radioham at mchsi.com  Mon Oct 28 18:28:46 2019
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 17:28:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] RX noise and 2-wire lines (was: KPA1500 RFI on 12m)
In-Reply-To: <05b201d58dc8$40c781d0$c2568570$@LNAINC.com>
References: <1958695472.1740714.1571947694162.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1958695472.1740714.1571947694162@mail.yahoo.com> <CA+33ts6B7d-oU
	jB2nq0CJnjNE6rCkd=t6FvU-8FGJJnK8ayvxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<818311D6-9533-44D0-BB3B-9228FC8DEAA0@triconet.org>
	<db86b409-4b40-9d25-4cfe-795722b1ec06@triconet.org>
	<bdf05d3c-0460-4f34-2311-0db8d603a2dd@blomand.net>
	<39b323b8-435d-b427-9b80-4ce2e459a2a1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<1459caac-cfa9-6cb5-c6e7-2753ad7a153a@gmail.com>
	<037801d58cf4$fea4a6d0$fbedf470$@LNAINC.com>
	<73df2236-4c31-34f1-2342-5552dfabd97f@kanafi.org>
	<4A25AF29-725A-4D79-A57B-F9C787111170@gmail.com>
	<05b201d58dc8$40c781d0$c2568570$@LNAINC.com>
Message-ID: <AB51D62B-E88F-493D-8887-D91BC2A39BB1@mchsi.com>

Sometimes it happens,  I got permission for a 30 foot tower and a K4KIO beam.  When asking permission I emphasized the emergency and public service angle and showed I had a one million dollar umbrella policy.  Those are dirt cheap.

Had a picture of a similar installation which kept the scary imaginations under control.

David K0LUM

> On Oct 28, 2019, at 2:45 PM, Lyn Norstad <Lyn at LNAINC.com> wrote:
> 
> Who ... me?  It seems like foreign territory to fall into that category after spending most of my 50 ham years on the other end of the stick.
> 
> When I retired a couple years ago, and decided to get serious about ham radio again, I managed to successfully run for a seat on our HOA Board (it's easy ... nobody wants the job).  Eventually I was able to get our very strict guidelines changed to allow "reasonable" outside antennas for licensed amateurs.  And so far, no complaints on my setup.
> 
> Most recently, I have agreed to serve as the Architectural and Landscape Review "committee" so if there is a complaint ... well ... you get the picture.
> 
> 73
> Lyn, W?LEN
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Grant Youngman
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 1:54 PM
> To: k2asp at arrl.net
> Cc: Elecraft Refl
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RX noise and 2-wire lines (was: KPA1500 RFI on 12m)
> 
> Don?t you love it when guy?s are taking about their latest large antenna projects?  I read these things, look wistfully out back into my 30?x30? townhouse courtyard, and wonder if I can dare put my Buddipole 40M dipole up one more foot without attracting the ire of some resident who will report my illicit activity to the HOA.  That?s about as big as my antenna projects can get ??
> 
> Grant NQ5T
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/27/2019 11:33 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
>> 
>>> Your mileage may vary, but for anyone looking to try something new
>>> (actually a very OLD design), it's a fun project.
>> 
>> If I had 400 feet for an antenna that's the type of antenna that I would
>> go for too, but I barely have 400 inches.  Have fun with the antenna.
> 
>> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
>> Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402
>> 
> 
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From dbthompson at me.com  Mon Oct 28 20:04:23 2019
From: dbthompson at me.com (David Thompson)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 17:04:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] RX noise and 2-wire lines
In-Reply-To: <e4eb648d-45e2-c2d1-4a9f-e58f687f82fc@af2z.net>
References: <1958695472.1740714.1571947694162.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1958695472.1740714.1571947694162@mail.yahoo.com> <CA+33ts6B7d-oU
	jB2nq0CJnjNE6rCkd=t6FvU-8FGJJnK8ayvxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<818311D6-9533-44D0-BB3B-9228FC8DEAA0@triconet.org>
	<db86b409-4b40-9d25-4cfe-795722b1ec06@triconet.org>
	<bdf05d3c-0460-4f34-2311-0db8d603a2dd@blomand.net>
	<39b323b8-435d-b427-9b80-4ce2e459a2a1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<1459caac-cfa9-6cb5-c6e7-2753ad7a153a@gmail.com>
	<e4eb648d-45e2-c2d1-4a9f-e58f687f82fc@af2z.net>
Message-ID: <ABBB17A4-628F-4DEF-B5DC-CB3A94E7819D@me.com>

I would like to know more about your receive antenna. At my home, I deal with S7-S9+ noise and am looking for some way to be able to operate besides FT8.

Thanks?

David Thompson, AG7TX
Jack of All Trades
Master of None
dbthompson at me.com




> On Oct 28, 2019, at 14:31, Drew AF2Z <pubx1 at af2z.net> wrote:
> 
> My RX antenna is a pair of small amplified stacked loops. It uses the LZ1AQ amplifier board fed with common FTP (foil twisted pair) cable, which provides the supply voltage, control lines and a shielded twisted pair for the signal. I don't think you can get any better noise isolation than that.
> 
> It is a lot quieter than my transmitting antennas; lower signal levels as well, but often a better signal-to-noise ratio than the transmit antennas.
> 
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
> 
> 
> On 10/26/19 10:11, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote:
>> Jim,
>> I have to disagree about balanced line. Unlike coax, both conductors are exposed to external RF fields, so common mode noise will be rejected. If the antenna and line are properly balanced (not always easy to do, I admit) and if it is fed through a balanced antenna tuner, there is no reason for it to be noisier than coax. Yes, it can't be choked, but it doesn't need to be.
>> My antenna is a 10m long rotary dipole fed with open line. It has gone through several iterations and I've been very careful to install the line so that it is perpendicular to the antenna for as far as possible, etc. I've tried various balun arrangements, but the system that works best, both for reducing RF in the shack when transmitting and noise immunity when receiving, is a Johnson kW Matchbox.
>> There is a building taller than mine a few hundred meters away from it, and a very distinct noise peak when the antenna is turned toward it, which seems to indicate that the noise is picked up by the antenna, not the line. I notice the same noise peak with a coax-fed shielded loop antenna, so it is definitely coming from the building, and isn't an artifact of the alignment of the antenna to the line.  I am pretty sure I have at least a 10 dB difference in noise when a band is open (at least, when the antenna is not aimed at that building), but I will wait until the band is solidly dead tonight to check that out.
>> My pattern is a form of figure 8 on 40-10 meters, but you are right that you can't maintain the pattern over a greater frequency range.
>> My main point is that there is nothing inherently noisy about a two-wire transmission line!
>> 73,
>> Victor, 4X6GP
>> Rehovot, Israel
>> Formerly K2VCO
>> CWops no. 5
>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>> On 26-Oct-2019 10:32, Jim Brown wrote:
>>> On 10/25/2019 2:01 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>>>> Except for my 6M yagi, all of my antennas are non-resonant antennas. My favorite is the 256 ft center fed wire {resonant at 1.825 MHz} with a balanced feed.
>>> 
>>> Dean Straw, N6BV, retired editor of the ARRL Antenna Book and Antenna Compendiums, is a very smart engineer and a very good friend. But his promotion of this sort of antenna is probably the greatest error of his time in that job, an idea whose time is LONG past, for many reasons. Primary -- 1) it cannot be choked to kill noise on RX, and 99.9% of hams live surrounded by local noise and 2) it's pattern is different on every frequency.
>>> 
>>> I am a strong believer in resonant antennas for each band, if if the must be multi-band antennas like fan dipoles to fit in the available space. For example, a 20/15/10 fan fits in 33 ft and works great, with a predictable pattern on each band. An 80/40 fan works on 15M, with a predictable pattern on both 80 and 40. Hypower Antenna company sells loaded antennas that are resonant on 80 and 40 and fit into about 100 ft; I used one in Chicago on 30 to great effect. All of these antennas are fed with 50 or 75 ohm coax, and CAN be choked to kill RX noise.
>>> 
>>> RX noise is a VERY big deal -- if you can't hear 'em, you can't work 'em. If you haven't worked to minimize your RX noise, you're DXing with one hand tied behind your back! My friend AG6EE goes to remote locations in NV, OR, and CA to light up rare grids with 1kW on 6M. Folks trying to work him complain of one-way propagation because he hears them really well and the don't hear him, but the REAL problem is their local RX noise.
>>> 
>>> http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf  Text, NCJ article
>>> http://k9yc.com/KillingRXNoiseVisalia.pdf  Slides Visalia talk
>>> 
>>> 73, Jim K9YC
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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Mon Oct 28 20:29:21 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 20:29:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] RX noise and 2-wire lines
In-Reply-To: <ABBB17A4-628F-4DEF-B5DC-CB3A94E7819D@me.com>
References: <1958695472.1740714.1571947694162.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1958695472.1740714.1571947694162@mail.yahoo.com> <CA+33ts6B7d-oU
	jB2nq0CJnjNE6rCkd=t6FvU-8FGJJnK8ayvxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<818311D6-9533-44D0-BB3B-9228FC8DEAA0@triconet.org>
	<db86b409-4b40-9d25-4cfe-795722b1ec06@triconet.org>
	<bdf05d3c-0460-4f34-2311-0db8d603a2dd@blomand.net>
	<39b323b8-435d-b427-9b80-4ce2e459a2a1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<1459caac-cfa9-6cb5-c6e7-2753ad7a153a@gmail.com>
	<e4eb648d-45e2-c2d1-4a9f-e58f687f82fc@af2z.net>
	<ABBB17A4-628F-4DEF-B5DC-CB3A94E7819D@me.com>
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There is a lot of information here ? http://www.lz1aq.signacor.com.  I?ve been considering building something along these lines

Grant NQ5T

> On Oct 28, 2019, at 8:04 PM, David Thompson via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> I would like to know more about your receive antenna. At my home, I deal with S7-S9+ noise and am looking for some way to be able to operate besides FT8.
> 
> Thanks?
> 
> David Thompson, AG7TX
> Jack of All Trades
> Master of None
> dbthompson at me.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2019, at 14:31, Drew AF2Z <pubx1 at af2z.net> wrote:
>> 
>> My RX antenna is a pair of small amplified stacked loops. It uses the LZ1AQ amplifier board fed with common FTP (foil twisted pair) cable, which provides the supply voltage, control lines and a shielded twisted pair for the signal. I don't think you can get any better noise isolation than that.
>> 
>> It is a lot quieter than my transmitting antennas; lower signal levels as well, but often a better signal-to-noise ratio than the transmit antennas.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Drew
>> AF2Z
>> 
>> 


From pubx1 at af2z.net  Mon Oct 28 22:26:57 2019
From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 22:26:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] RX noise and 2-wire lines
In-Reply-To: <ABBB17A4-628F-4DEF-B5DC-CB3A94E7819D@me.com>
References: <1958695472.1740714.1571947694162.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1958695472.1740714.1571947694162@mail.yahoo.com> <CA+33ts6B7d-oU
	jB2nq0CJnjNE6rCkd=t6FvU-8FGJJnK8ayvxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<818311D6-9533-44D0-BB3B-9228FC8DEAA0@triconet.org>
	<db86b409-4b40-9d25-4cfe-795722b1ec06@triconet.org>
	<bdf05d3c-0460-4f34-2311-0db8d603a2dd@blomand.net>
	<39b323b8-435d-b427-9b80-4ce2e459a2a1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<1459caac-cfa9-6cb5-c6e7-2753ad7a153a@gmail.com>
	<e4eb648d-45e2-c2d1-4a9f-e58f687f82fc@af2z.net>
	<ABBB17A4-628F-4DEF-B5DC-CB3A94E7819D@me.com>
Message-ID: <8ccec541-2642-8f19-8dc5-17702dea82b6@af2z.net>

More info about the LZ1AQ loop preamp is here
http://active-antenna.eu/amplifier-kit/

The supplied amplifier, control board, enclosure, etc. make a nearly 
complete package. You fabricate the loop yourself. Various examples are 
shown on associated pages.

I think the main benefit of such a small receiving antenna is that you 
can localize it away from noise sources in houses or power lines. Even 
30 or 40 ft separation might make a difference (the inverse-square law 
is your friend!)

The amplifier seems quite robust. My loop + amp is only 25 or 30 ft from 
my transmitting antenna and tolerates the 100 watt transmitter output, 
no problem. I don't even need any T/R switching; the loop is connected 
directly to my K3's RX port or to my RSP1A SDR. Signal levels are safe 
on all bands.

It receives well on lower freqs especially-- the AM bcst band and LW. I 
can often hear Algeria here in SNJ on winter nights, 252 kHz.

73,
Drew
AF2Z





On 10/28/19 20:04, David Thompson wrote:
> I would like to know more about your receive antenna. At my home, I deal with S7-S9+ noise and am looking for some way to be able to operate besides FT8.
> 
> Thanks?
> 
> David Thompson, AG7TX
> Jack of All Trades
> Master of None
> dbthompson at me.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2019, at 14:31, Drew AF2Z <pubx1 at af2z.net> wrote:
>>
>> My RX antenna is a pair of small amplified stacked loops. It uses the LZ1AQ amplifier board fed with common FTP (foil twisted pair) cable, which provides the supply voltage, control lines and a shielded twisted pair for the signal. I don't think you can get any better noise isolation than that.
>>
>> It is a lot quieter than my transmitting antennas; lower signal levels as well, but often a better signal-to-noise ratio than the transmit antennas.
>>
>> 73,
>> Drew
>> AF2Z
>>
>>
>> On 10/26/19 10:11, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote:
>>> Jim,
>>> I have to disagree about balanced line. Unlike coax, both conductors are exposed to external RF fields, so common mode noise will be rejected. If the antenna and line are properly balanced (not always easy to do, I admit) and if it is fed through a balanced antenna tuner, there is no reason for it to be noisier than coax. Yes, it can't be choked, but it doesn't need to be.
>>> My antenna is a 10m long rotary dipole fed with open line. It has gone through several iterations and I've been very careful to install the line so that it is perpendicular to the antenna for as far as possible, etc. I've tried various balun arrangements, but the system that works best, both for reducing RF in the shack when transmitting and noise immunity when receiving, is a Johnson kW Matchbox.
>>> There is a building taller than mine a few hundred meters away from it, and a very distinct noise peak when the antenna is turned toward it, which seems to indicate that the noise is picked up by the antenna, not the line. I notice the same noise peak with a coax-fed shielded loop antenna, so it is definitely coming from the building, and isn't an artifact of the alignment of the antenna to the line.  I am pretty sure I have at least a 10 dB difference in noise when a band is open (at least, when the antenna is not aimed at that building), but I will wait until the band is solidly dead tonight to check that out.
>>> My pattern is a form of figure 8 on 40-10 meters, but you are right that you can't maintain the pattern over a greater frequency range.
>>> My main point is that there is nothing inherently noisy about a two-wire transmission line!
>>> 73,
>>> Victor, 4X6GP
>>> Rehovot, Israel
>>> Formerly K2VCO
>>> CWops no. 5
>>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>>> On 26-Oct-2019 10:32, Jim Brown wrote:
>>>> On 10/25/2019 2:01 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>>>>> Except for my 6M yagi, all of my antennas are non-resonant antennas. My favorite is the 256 ft center fed wire {resonant at 1.825 MHz} with a balanced feed.
>>>>
>>>> Dean Straw, N6BV, retired editor of the ARRL Antenna Book and Antenna Compendiums, is a very smart engineer and a very good friend. But his promotion of this sort of antenna is probably the greatest error of his time in that job, an idea whose time is LONG past, for many reasons. Primary -- 1) it cannot be choked to kill noise on RX, and 99.9% of hams live surrounded by local noise and 2) it's pattern is different on every frequency.
>>>>
>>>> I am a strong believer in resonant antennas for each band, if if the must be multi-band antennas like fan dipoles to fit in the available space. For example, a 20/15/10 fan fits in 33 ft and works great, with a predictable pattern on each band. An 80/40 fan works on 15M, with a predictable pattern on both 80 and 40. Hypower Antenna company sells loaded antennas that are resonant on 80 and 40 and fit into about 100 ft; I used one in Chicago on 30 to great effect. All of these antennas are fed with 50 or 75 ohm coax, and CAN be choked to kill RX noise.
>>>>
>>>> RX noise is a VERY big deal -- if you can't hear 'em, you can't work 'em. If you haven't worked to minimize your RX noise, you're DXing with one hand tied behind your back! My friend AG6EE goes to remote locations in NV, OR, and CA to light up rare grids with 1kW on 6M. Folks trying to work him complain of one-way propagation because he hears them really well and the don't hear him, but the REAL problem is their local RX noise.
>>>>
>>>> http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf  Text, NCJ article
>>>> http://k9yc.com/KillingRXNoiseVisalia.pdf  Slides Visalia talk
>>>>
>>>> 73, Jim K9YC
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From tom at w7sua.org  Mon Oct 28 23:17:12 2019
From: tom at w7sua.org (Tom Azlin W7SUA)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 20:17:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 abnormal shut off problem
In-Reply-To: <3b7543f5-b28e-3752-ed55-12ee797c5922@embarqmail.com>
References: <2bf9a631-4d08-1bc0-6c80-2062ab14b628@w7sua.org>
	<3b7543f5-b28e-3752-ed55-12ee797c5922@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <3b2a14ae-826e-3b46-fbbd-efa44320c3dd@w7sua.org>

Thanks Don.

I measured the power supply sag at the power supply to be about 0.05 
volts. Replaced the cables with larger gauge and still had a problem, 
perhaps internal to the K3. Switched to feeding the P3 directly from the 
power supply ( an Astron 70, but switch to Alinco 50 amp with same 
results) and now the P3 is rock solid. I did order the K3 mod to raise 
the current limit from 0.5 to 1 amp as suggested by Elecraft. And will 
be making that Aux DC out to P3 cable of heaver gauge.

Now thinking on why the K3 voltmeter would show such a large drop.

I do use ring terminal lugs. Will be making higher gauge short as 
possible cables to see if that helps the sag shown on the K3 voltmeter. 
Also plan to set up a second DVM to watch both power supply and input to 
the K3 at the same time.

Still trying to shoot the trouble. Also got suggestions from Elecraft 
tech support and others.

Thanks and 73, tom w7sua



On 10/26/2019 4:03 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Tom,
> 
> That sounds strange.? I would first suggest checking all the Power 
> Supply to K3, and either K3 AUX DC to P3 or the Power Supply to P3 power 
> cables for loose connections.
> 
> A drop from 14.5 to 14.7 volts down to 12.8 volts indicates a high 
> resistance power cable or a bad power supply.
> 
> Measure the voltage at the power supply terminals to determine whether 
> it is the power supply or the cables - if the voltage stays up at the 
> power supply terminals, but the voltage sags at the K3 end, the cable is 
> to blame.
> 
> OTOH, if the voltage at the power supply terminals sags significantly, 
> then the power supply regulation is at fault.
> 
> Make certain all power cable connections are tight.? Power cables 
> wrapped around the terminals are suspect (use ring terminals), as are 
> the power supply terminals designed to "insert the wire and flip the 
> lever" which may not guarantee a good tight connection.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 10/25/2019 5:44 PM, Tom Azlin W7SUA wrote:
>> Hi. My P3 has started turning off a few seconds to a minute after I 
>> turn on my K3/P3 or when I then try to turn my P3 back on. I was 
>> watching and saw no error message like low voltage. Watching also the 
>> voltmeter on my K3 and stayed at 14.5 to 14.7 volts. dropped power 
>> supply to 14 volts and it still shut down. Did a tune and voltage was 
>> 12.8 then back to 14 then afterwards it shut off.
>>
>> Is my power supply not holding up properly?
>>
>> Will dig out a spare power supply next.
>>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Oct 29 00:10:43 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 00:10:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 abnormal shut off problem
In-Reply-To: <3b2a14ae-826e-3b46-fbbd-efa44320c3dd@w7sua.org>
References: <2bf9a631-4d08-1bc0-6c80-2062ab14b628@w7sua.org>
	<3b7543f5-b28e-3752-ed55-12ee797c5922@embarqmail.com>
	<3b2a14ae-826e-3b46-fbbd-efa44320c3dd@w7sua.org>
Message-ID: <dfe8a382-9afc-305a-6df7-c04581183036@embarqmail.com>

Tom,

If you have not yet made the K3 switch to the 1 amp output, that alone 
could explain the problem, especially if you have the SVGA option in 
your P3.  The 0.5 amp source is marginal in the P3 without any options.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/28/2019 11:17 PM, Tom Azlin W7SUA wrote:
> Thanks Don.
> 
> I measured the power supply sag at the power supply to be about 0.05 
> volts. Replaced the cables with larger gauge and still had a problem, 
> perhaps internal to the K3. Switched to feeding the P3 directly from the 
> power supply ( an Astron 70, but switch to Alinco 50 amp with same 
> results) and now the P3 is rock solid. I did order the K3 mod to raise 
> the current limit from 0.5 to 1 amp as suggested by Elecraft. And will 
> be making that Aux DC out to P3 cable of heaver gauge.

From gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 29 07:18:35 2019
From: gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com (eric norris)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 11:18:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 question +12m SOLVED
References: <1118799908.3742770.1572347915827.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1118799908.3742770.1572347915827@mail.yahoo.com>

I am surrounded by hams in my suburban neighborhood, one new ham two blocks away who is S9+20db when he runs qrp.? I pray he doesn't learn cw.
My question is, what model of K4 will supply the same blocking dynamic range equal to or better than the K3S?? The K4HD?? I need RF protection!? Every day is Field Day here.
On another topic, I took the advice of someone on this list who suggested my best solution to my 12m antenna problem was to throw up a low dipole with bubble gum and duct tape.? I threw up a 12m inverted V, apex at 18ft, ends at about 12ft, with zip ties, a watering can holding down one end, a ladder on the other, and a fiberglass mast tied to the wrought iron grating on the front porch with clothsline (xyl lost her marbles when I said I was going on the roof) in four back-breaking hours with big help from Terry, WB6PVU. RG8x feedline coming through the front window with open coils on the living room floor made the xyl ecstatic and kept the cats amused?
Today I waited for hours for propagation to come up, and as soon as I could reliably hear VP6R, I started banging away with the K3 and KPA500 squeakin' from the freakin', steam coming off the rg8x.? Now I'm in their log on 12m cw!
Ham radio--still exciting after 47 years.
73 Eric WD6DBM
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

From graziano at roccon.com  Tue Oct 29 08:56:36 2019
From: graziano at roccon.com (Graziano Roccon (IW2NOY))
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 13:56:36 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Site Down in Europe
In-Reply-To: <1118799908.3742770.1572347915827@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1118799908.3742770.1572347915827.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1118799908.3742770.1572347915827@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <60f479c7b12f241f2f641cd0bac73dad@roccon.com>

Hello,

Eleracft site : https://elecraft.com is down, almost in Europe.

Do you know it ?

Besta regards, Graziano IW2NOY / W2NOY

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Tue Oct 29 09:00:35 2019
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 09:00:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Site Down in Europe
In-Reply-To: <60f479c7b12f241f2f641cd0bac73dad@roccon.com>
References: <1118799908.3742770.1572347915827.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1118799908.3742770.1572347915827@mail.yahoo.com>
	<60f479c7b12f241f2f641cd0bac73dad@roccon.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts5zT0AKgqtwX8uyP6QK0eR4Vw6QpsYwHjyS5-w=R0gO+A@mail.gmail.com>

It is fine in Canada, but I doubt that Elecraft can solve this since it is
likely an European hosting issue and it is done by a 3rd party.

Mike va3mw

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 8:57 AM Graziano Roccon (IW2NOY) <
graziano at roccon.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Eleracft site : https://elecraft.com is down, almost in Europe.
>
> Do you know it ?
>
> Besta regards, Graziano IW2NOY / W2NOY
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From w2blc at nycap.rr.com  Tue Oct 29 09:54:10 2019
From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 09:54:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and P3 for sale
Message-ID: <f9877e39-53cf-7b36-4e99-aea0fdaf4a97@nycap.rr.com>

K3/P3 station: K3 (built in 2012 ser. 6xxx) with 100 Watt, ATU, stock 
SSB Filter, 2.1 SSB Filter, KBPF3 General Coverage Module, KFLSA 6 kHz 
AM Filter, KXV3A RX Antenna IF Output. P3 (factory built 2012) with 
P3SVGA Adapter. Sure hand mic, MH2 handmic (modified switch), 
AudioTechnica boom mic with cable and boom adapter, Heil hand switch, 
Heil foot switch, bag of assorted cables/adapters required to 
interconnect and operate station. K-POD with cables for K3 and DC power. 
Supporting Elecraft books/manuals, Cady books, other documentation (rig 
history). Very clean and no smoke. Shipped USPS insured to the lower 48 
for $2100. Payment via USPS Money Order.



From w5rg at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 29 10:20:14 2019
From: w5rg at yahoo.com (Bob Gibson)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 14:20:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 question +12m SOLVED
In-Reply-To: <1118799908.3742770.1572347915827@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1118799908.3742770.1572347915827.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1118799908.3742770.1572347915827@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <806724620.1671037.1572358814986@mail.yahoo.com>

This is what I love about Ham Radio with a wire and on CW..Great story! I'll never will use any digital modes and the K3 is my last radio..at 76 and on a fixed income like so many of us are..the K3 will be with me in the pine box along with my Begali..No room for a PC..

?? 73s Bob W5RG
 

    On Tuesday, October 29, 2019, 6:23:21 AM CDT, eric norris via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:  
 
 I am surrounded by hams in my suburban neighborhood, one new ham two blocks away who is S9+20db when he runs qrp.? I pray he doesn't learn cw.
My question is, what model of K4 will supply the same blocking dynamic range equal to or better than the K3S?? The K4HD?? I need RF protection!? Every day is Field Day here.
On another topic, I took the advice of someone on this list who suggested my best solution to my 12m antenna problem was to throw up a low dipole with bubble gum and duct tape.? I threw up a 12m inverted V, apex at 18ft, ends at about 12ft, with zip ties, a watering can holding down one end, a ladder on the other, and a fiberglass mast tied to the wrought iron grating on the front porch with clothsline (xyl lost her marbles when I said I was going on the roof) in four back-breaking hours with big help from Terry, WB6PVU. RG8x feedline coming through the front window with open coils on the living room floor made the xyl ecstatic and kept the cats amused?
Today I waited for hours for propagation to come up, and as soon as I could reliably hear VP6R, I started banging away with the K3 and KPA500 squeakin' from the freakin', steam coming off the rg8x.? Now I'm in their log on 12m cw!
Ham radio--still exciting after 47 years.
73 Eric WD6DBM
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Tue Oct 29 11:58:25 2019
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 11:58:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 question +12m SOLVED
In-Reply-To: <806724620.1671037.1572358814986@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-8250875F6A13418A80EF499E16714C4A@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

One of the really great things about ham radio is that each 
person can find their own place in the hobby. However, I did get 
a good illustration of why so many people are using the digital 
modes, particularly the FTx modes.

I operated in CW WW SSB over the weekend from New Hampshire. I 
operated QRP because the radio I had was a barefoot KX3. The 
only band I could be heard on was 20M where I was using a 
homebrew 2 element wire beam about 18 feet above the ground. In 
about 9 hours of operation, I managed to eke out 13 QSOs, 11 to 
EU and 2 to NA. The good news is that there were 2 ATNO DXCCs.

The next day I decided that I really should complete at least 
one QSO with VP6R before they went QRT. After trying for 15-20 
minutes, and flipping the beam so it was pointed away from EU 
instead of to EU, I managed an FT8 Fox/Hound QSO on 20M sending 
a -14 and receiving a -12 report. This QSO certainly wouldn't 
have happened on SSB, and probably not on CW either.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 10/29/19 at 10:20 AM, elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bob Gibson 
via Elecraft) wrote:

>This is what I love about Ham Radio with a wire and on 
>CW..Great story! I'll never will use any digital modes and the 
>K3 is my last radio..at 76 and on a fixed income like so many 
>of us are..the K3 will be with me in the pine box along with my 
>Begali..No room for a PC..

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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Oct 29 19:29:26 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 18:29:26 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 / KPA500 band switching oddity
In-Reply-To: <019c01d58cff$8106e700$8314b500$@cox.net>
References: <019c01d58cff$8106e700$8314b500$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <b13ba3e9-06e6-7a71-8190-26fa19be4e56@blomand.net>

I change bands from the computer running WSJT-X.?? The K3S follows, the 
KPA500 follows and the KAT500 follows.? All seems good to me.? I do have 
the KPA500 go to STBY on band change.? This is a user menu item.

I don't push buttons on the KPA500 to change bands.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 10/27/2019 2:48 PM, Jim Spears wrote:
> I recently tripped over an oddity in the way the K3 <-> KPA500
> communications handle band switching when commanded from software vs button
> pushing.
>
>   
>
> Scenario 1:
>
> -          KPA500 is set to go to Standby on band change
>
> -          Operator sets KPA500 to Operate
>
> -          Operator makes QSOs or not
>
> -          Operator changes bands from either K3 or KPA500 button push
>
> -          K3 and KPA500 change bands
>
> -          KPA500 goes to Standby
>
> -          K3 gets the word and resumes full output power
>
> -          All is right in this little corner of the world
>
>   
>
> Scenario 2:
>
> -          KPA500 is set to go to Standby on band change
>
> -          Operator sets KPA500 to Operate
>
> -          Operator is making QSOs with WSJT-X, needing amp to work that
> "rare one"
>
> -          Operator uses WSJT-X to change bands
>
> -          K3 and KPA500 change bands
>
> -          KPA500 goes to Standby
>
> -          K3 does NOT get the word and operates as if the KPA500 were still
> in Operate, putting out low power vs the 100 watts expected
>
> -          K3 and KPA500 are out of synch with respect to Operate vs Standby
>
>   
>
> I do not think I have seen the case when using WSJT-X to command band
> changes where the KPA500 is in Operate and the K3 is at full power.  this
> would not be good.
>
>   
>
> So the issue seems to be band changes being commanded by software and not
> button pushes.
>
>   
>
> Anyone else seen this?
>
>   
>
> Jim
>
> N1NK
>
> K3 s/n 6xxx
>
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Oct 29 19:35:24 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 18:35:24 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S K-line cabling
In-Reply-To: <CA556C4694A64DC39C9A3E6098A4A98F@OfficeDeskTop>
References: <8a315282063f4184bc440e47e9ea985b@THHSTE15D2BE6.hs20.net>
	<94c5b4db-c866-e547-5e73-ca711e5f7287@embarqmail.com>
	<A7892B7F-FBFE-4F66-AB87-A483F59ABC5D@me.com>
	<CA556C4694A64DC39C9A3E6098A4A98F@OfficeDeskTop>
Message-ID: <20528f5d-9be1-0b03-6035-bb63d4118842@blomand.net>

Just purchase the correct cables from Elecraft.? This approach works 
100% of the time.

Go cheap, dig out your own or roll your own.? Then trouble shoot the 
issues.?? How much money and time was saved?

For a few dollars saved, it isn't worth it.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 10/27/2019 4:51 PM, Gmail - George wrote:
> Jack,
> Don't use a 15 pin straight through - not all pins are to be connected. My
> recollection is that 1 or 2 pins Must Not be connected to the K3!
> Use the manual if not using the Elecraft Aux cable sets.
>
> Because not all VGA cables are the same - you can use a VGA cable if you
> positively confirm that all 15 conductors pass through and No conductor is
> hooked to each other.
> Some VGA cables tie the coax shields together at one or both ends - these
> cables should not be used. I had a half dozen VGA cables - the second cable
> I checked was one to one with no pins shorted together. I broke off the
> pin(s) not to be connected and voil? free cable from the junk shelf.
>
> If in doubt - buy the Elecraft cables or make your own from the information
> in the Elecraft instruction books.
>
> I recommend using the Aux cable sets to interconnect the K3, KPA500 &
> KAT500. The seem to operate as a single unit in 3 boxes.
> Only thing I'd love to see is for the K3 "Tune" button to put the KPA500 in
> Stby & Tune the KAT500.
>
> 73
> George AI4VZ
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Brindle via Elecraft
>
> Hi David! Great to hear form you...
>
>       . . .
>
> Lastly, be sure to use a cable with all 15 pins connected straight through.
> Do NOT use a VGA cable. They play with the signals in those cables,
> connecting several together, which will mess things up for us.
>
> Hope you are enjoying CQWW this weekend; we miss you in NCCC!
>
> 73!
> jack, W6FB
>
>
>


From Gary at ka1j.com  Tue Oct 29 19:48:54 2019
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 19:48:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: CNC VFO knobs with bearing dimple
Message-ID: <5DB8CFE6.25217.6FFB241@Gary.ka1j.com>

I really like these knobs, they work well 
for me, work well for other folks?, maybe 
not so much. Regardless I'd like another 
CNC metal VFO A knob made for the K3, with 
bearing dimple.

If you have one you don't use/like, please 
contact me directly.

73,

Gary
KA1J

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Oct 29 19:56:03 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 18:56:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 RFI on 12m
In-Reply-To: <1572229382675-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1958695472.1740714.1571947694162@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CA+33ts6B7d-oUjB2nq0CJnjNE6rCkd=t6FvU-8FGJJnK8ayvxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<818311D6-9533-44D0-BB3B-9228FC8DEAA0@triconet.org>
	<db86b409-4b40-9d25-4cfe-795722b1ec06@triconet.org>
	<bdf05d3c-0460-4f34-2311-0db8d603a2dd@blomand.net>
	<1572229382675-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <0709cf6b-9b54-88ad-7251-030e22622989@blomand.net>

Bill:

Glad to see you post this fact.?? Hams have had it wrong and doing it 
wrong for years, because someone said so.??? Many hams seem to have less 
than zero knowledge on the topic.??? Oh, less than zero knowledge is 
knowledge that is not correct.

Same is true when one uses 450 ohm line, many think they need a 4:1 
balun because someone said so.? I suppose they believe the "4" in 450 
ohm line and the "4" in the 4:1 balun ration have something in 
common.??? Another less than zero knowledge condition.

The electrical length of the wire determines the resonant frequency.?? 
Of course the diameter of the wire contributes to the K factor and bare 
wire is different than insulated wire.? Thus those two facts must be 
considered when cutting an antenna length.?? Height above ground? {not 
necessarily earth because of ground conductivity}? determines the feed 
point impedance.

Ohhhhh there is so much to learn about antennas.

73

Bob, K4TAX




On 10/27/2019 9:23 PM, K8TE wrote:
> Most hams cut their antenna length for lowest VSWR which is often NOT the
> resonant point.  Resonance occurs when XsubL equals XsubC.  That means there
> is no reactance at one frequency.  Impedance varies greatly with height
> above ground.  The greatest radiation occurs at resonance which, again, is
> often not at the lowest VSWR.  This is why a good antenna analyzer that
> displays both VSWR and reactance is so helpful.
>
> Web sites abound with advice to cut the antenna for lowest VSWR.  Like
> politics, the truth is difficult to find and, apparently, often hard to
> believe.  And, anecdotal statements about how an antenna works
> (WORK--WithOut Real Knowledge--K0BG) often has little to do with its
> comparative performance.  Too few of us use real data (like WSPRLite) to
> compare antennas and arrive at conclusions based on comparative data.
>
> I liked the Pacificon theme this year:  "The Science of Radio"  That didn't
> always apply in some of the presentations, but fortunately did in most I
> attended.
>
> 73, Bill, K8TE
>
>


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Oct 29 20:20:46 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 19:20:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] RX noise and 2-wire lines
In-Reply-To: <05b201d58dc8$40c781d0$c2568570$@LNAINC.com>
References: <1958695472.1740714.1571947694162.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1958695472.1740714.1571947694162@mail.yahoo.com> <CA+33ts6B7d-oU
	jB2nq0CJnjNE6rCkd=t6FvU-8FGJJnK8ayvxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<818311D6-9533-44D0-BB3B-9228FC8DEAA0@triconet.org>
	<db86b409-4b40-9d25-4cfe-795722b1ec06@triconet.org>
	<bdf05d3c-0460-4f34-2311-0db8d603a2dd@blomand.net>
	<39b323b8-435d-b427-9b80-4ce2e459a2a1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<1459caac-cfa9-6cb5-c6e7-2753ad7a153a@gmail.com>
	<037801d58cf4$fea4a6d0$fbedf470$@LNAINC.com>
	<73df2236-4c31-34f1-2342-5552dfabd97f@kanafi.org>
	<4A25AF29-725A-4D79-A57B-F9C787111170@gmail.com>
	<05b201d58dc8$40c781d0$c2568570$@LNAINC.com>
Message-ID: <2601f3c1-2463-b3e8-f566-6db9cd672282@blomand.net>

Likewise when we lived in a condo in Pompano Beach, FL.? I had a 75M 
loop around the parapet wall on the roof.?? And I managed to get on the 
board and got permission.?? After all one of the starch objectors wanted 
something for him self.? Thus a "quid pro quo" was arranged.?? Funny how 
that works.

I also have a friend that has obtained all the permits to install a 
tower and large antenna on his property in a highly restricted HOA in 
Boca Raton FL.??? It took him 3 years and a few dollars to get all in 
order but it was signed off and is presently in place.

It can be done.?? Of course it must be done correctly and with proper 
documentation and approvals.

Where we live now we have 5 acres but the HOA restrictions are much 
tighter.?? a.k.a. - Rules of the wife must be followed.

73

Bob, K4TAX



On 10/28/2019 2:45 PM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
> Who ... me?  It seems like foreign territory to fall into that category after spending most of my 50 ham years on the other end of the stick.
>
> When I retired a couple years ago, and decided to get serious about ham radio again, I managed to successfully run for a seat on our HOA Board (it's easy ... nobody wants the job).  Eventually I was able to get our very strict guidelines changed to allow "reasonable" outside antennas for licensed amateurs.  And so far, no complaints on my setup.
>
> Most recently, I have agreed to serve as the Architectural and Landscape Review "committee" so if there is a complaint ... well ... you get the picture.
>
> 73
> Lyn, W?LEN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Grant Youngman
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 1:54 PM
> To: k2asp at arrl.net
> Cc: Elecraft Refl
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RX noise and 2-wire lines (was: KPA1500 RFI on 12m)
>
> Don?t you love it when guy?s are taking about their latest large antenna projects?  I read these things, look wistfully out back into my 30?x30? townhouse courtyard, and wonder if I can dare put my Buddipole 40M dipole up one more foot without attracting the ire of some resident who will report my illicit activity to the HOA.  That?s about as big as my antenna projects can get ??
>
> Grant NQ5T
>
>>
>> On 10/27/2019 11:33 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
>>
>>> Your mileage may vary, but for anyone looking to try something new
>>> (actually a very OLD design), it's a fun project.
>> If I had 400 feet for an antenna that's the type of antenna that I would
>> go for too, but I barely have 400 inches.  Have fun with the antenna.
>> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
>> Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402
>>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Oct 29 22:13:31 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 22:13:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 RFI on 12m
In-Reply-To: <0709cf6b-9b54-88ad-7251-030e22622989@blomand.net>
References: <1958695472.1740714.1571947694162@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CA+33ts6B7d-oUjB2nq0CJnjNE6rCkd=t6FvU-8FGJJnK8ayvxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<818311D6-9533-44D0-BB3B-9228FC8DEAA0@triconet.org>
	<db86b409-4b40-9d25-4cfe-795722b1ec06@triconet.org>
	<bdf05d3c-0460-4f34-2311-0db8d603a2dd@blomand.net>
	<1572229382675-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<0709cf6b-9b54-88ad-7251-030e22622989@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <3c6498b3-258e-2d11-9b03-90e0a24d994a@embarqmail.com>

For all interested, you might want to read the relevant article on my 
website www.w3fpr.com.  It was written directed at QRP ops, but applies 
to QRO operations as well.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/29/2019 7:56 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Bill:
> 
> Glad to see you post this fact.?? Hams have had it wrong and doing it 
> wrong for years, because someone said so.??? Many hams seem to have less 
> than zero knowledge on the topic.??? Oh, less than zero knowledge is 
> knowledge that is not correct.
> 
> Same is true when one uses 450 ohm line, many think they need a 4:1 
> balun because someone said so.? I suppose they believe the "4" in 450 
> ohm line and the "4" in the 4:1 balun ration have something in 
> common.??? Another less than zero knowledge condition.
> 
> The electrical length of the wire determines the resonant frequency. Of 
> course the diameter of the wire contributes to the K factor and bare 
> wire is different than insulated wire.? Thus those two facts must be 
> considered when cutting an antenna length.?? Height above ground? {not 
> necessarily earth because of ground conductivity}? determines the feed 
> point impedance.
> 
> Ohhhhh there is so much to learn about antennas.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/27/2019 9:23 PM, K8TE wrote:
>> Most hams cut their antenna length for lowest VSWR which is often NOT the
>> resonant point.? Resonance occurs when XsubL equals XsubC.? That means 
>> there
>> is no reactance at one frequency.? Impedance varies greatly with height
>> above ground.? The greatest radiation occurs at resonance which, 
>> again, is
>> often not at the lowest VSWR.? This is why a good antenna analyzer that
>> displays both VSWR and reactance is so helpful.
>>
>> Web sites abound with advice to cut the antenna for lowest VSWR.? Like
>> politics, the truth is difficult to find and, apparently, often hard to
>> believe.? And, anecdotal statements about how an antenna works
>> (WORK--WithOut Real Knowledge--K0BG) often has little to do with its
>> comparative performance.? Too few of us use real data (like WSPRLite) to
>> compare antennas and arrive at conclusions based on comparative data.
>>
>> I liked the Pacificon theme this year:? "The Science of Radio"? That 
>> didn't
>> always apply in some of the presentations, but fortunately did in most I
>> attended.
>>
>> 73, Bill, K8TE
>>
>>
> 
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From tom at w7sua.org  Wed Oct 30 11:32:39 2019
From: tom at w7sua.org (Tom Azlin W7SUA)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 08:32:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 abnormal shut off problem
In-Reply-To: <dfe8a382-9afc-305a-6df7-c04581183036@embarqmail.com>
References: <2bf9a631-4d08-1bc0-6c80-2062ab14b628@w7sua.org>
	<3b7543f5-b28e-3752-ed55-12ee797c5922@embarqmail.com>
	<3b2a14ae-826e-3b46-fbbd-efa44320c3dd@w7sua.org>
	<dfe8a382-9afc-305a-6df7-c04581183036@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <cff1c623-6480-081e-e9ca-b2119d656416@w7sua.org>

Hi Don,

I do have the SVGA option installed but do not remember upgrading the K3 
for 1 amp. Not sure how I missed that upgrade. So in a few weeks will be 
opening up my K3 to check that and if not there putting in the upgrade.

Thanks for your advice.

73, tom w7sua

On 10/28/2019 9:10 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Tom,
> 
> If you have not yet made the K3 switch to the 1 amp output, that alone 
> could explain the problem, especially if you have the SVGA option in 
> your P3.? The 0.5 amp source is marginal in the P3 without any options.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 10/28/2019 11:17 PM, Tom Azlin W7SUA wrote:
>> Thanks Don.
>>
>> I measured the power supply sag at the power supply to be about 0.05 
>> volts. Replaced the cables with larger gauge and still had a problem, 
>> perhaps internal to the K3. Switched to feeding the P3 directly from 
>> the power supply ( an Astron 70, but switch to Alinco 50 amp with same 
>> results) and now the P3 is rock solid. I did order the K3 mod to raise 
>> the current limit from 0.5 to 1 amp as suggested by Elecraft. And will 
>> be making that Aux DC out to P3 cable of heaver gauge.

From andy.nehan at btinternet.com  Wed Oct 30 15:42:30 2019
From: andy.nehan at btinternet.com (andy.nehan at btinternet.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 19:42:30 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Elecraft] I note that the mechanical strengthener for the K3
 synthesizers is no longer available
Message-ID: <48f453fd.bfa.16e1e30e184.Webtop.218@btinternet.com>


I recently purchased an older K3 as my rig to take to our clubhouse. So 
it does not need to have all the bells and whistles. However, I note 
that Electraft no longer sells the mechanical strengtheners for the 
original synthesizers (and I have a sub receiver so I have two 
synthesizers).

So does anyone have the old synthesizers complete with strengtheners 
that are surplus to requirements that I could purchase??

Andy

G4HUE

From mike9v at gmail.com  Wed Oct 30 15:51:37 2019
From: mike9v at gmail.com (mike stokes)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 15:51:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] I note that the mechanical strengthener for the K3
 synthesizers is no longer available
In-Reply-To: <48f453fd.bfa.16e1e30e184.Webtop.218@btinternet.com>
References: <48f453fd.bfa.16e1e30e184.Webtop.218@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAF3X6dJ3xMOveTvZb6n_eYaePxjPYL_KUEGJb=KpZJWyW-P0ng@mail.gmail.com>

I am in the same situation and could use 2 as well.

Mike
KK9V

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 3:44 PM andy.nehan--- via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

>
> I recently purchased an older K3 as my rig to take to our clubhouse. So
> it does not need to have all the bells and whistles. However, I note
> that Electraft no longer sells the mechanical strengtheners for the
> original synthesizers (and I have a sub receiver so I have two
> synthesizers).
>
> So does anyone have the old synthesizers complete with strengtheners
> that are surplus to requirements that I could purchase??
>
> Andy
>
> G4HUE
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From w0eb at cox.net  Wed Oct 30 15:57:52 2019
From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 19:57:52 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 500 glitch
Message-ID: <em73ab3758-6a17-4d56-a6f7-9f6282e9e25c@jimsdesktop-pc>

Having a bit of trouble with the KPA500 following the bands out of the 
K3S.  For some reason, the other day I accidentally hit a button 
combination on the K3S (not sure what I hit) and the KPA500 is now 
thinking 7.0 MHz is 1.8 and some of the other bands aren't switching 
correctly either.  I can't find the command or whatever might cause this 
in the documentation I have.  It's been working properly since I got it 
some years ago.

Anybody have any ideas before I call Elecraft and bother the busy 
support staff?

Thanks,

Jim Sheldon, W0EB


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Oct 30 16:08:49 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 16:08:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 500 glitch
In-Reply-To: <em73ab3758-6a17-4d56-a6f7-9f6282e9e25c@jimsdesktop-pc>
References: <em73ab3758-6a17-4d56-a6f7-9f6282e9e25c@jimsdesktop-pc>
Message-ID: <c2e95c26-ad9e-5522-1dc7-1eac9fe25919@embarqmail.com>

Jim,

I would suggest doing a Direct Frequency Entry into each of the ham 
bands - no guarantee, but it has a chance of setting things straight.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/30/2019 3:57 PM, Jim Sheldon wrote:
> Having a bit of trouble with the KPA500 following the bands out of the 
> K3S.? For some reason, the other day I accidentally hit a button 
> combination on the K3S (not sure what I hit) and the KPA500 is now 
> thinking 7.0 MHz is 1.8 and some of the other bands aren't switching 
> correctly either.? I can't find the command or whatever might cause this 
> in the documentation I have.? It's been working properly since I got it 
> some years ago.
> 

From jackbrindle at me.com  Wed Oct 30 16:26:41 2019
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 13:26:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 500 glitch
In-Reply-To: <em73ab3758-6a17-4d56-a6f7-9f6282e9e25c@jimsdesktop-pc>
References: <em73ab3758-6a17-4d56-a6f7-9f6282e9e25c@jimsdesktop-pc>
Message-ID: <90069688-3285-4304-BA58-6CDF1CF6F19E@me.com>

Jim;

Check the AUXIO cable to make sure it connects to the K3S and the KPA500 (or KAT500) properly. This sounds like the Band1 signal may not be making proper contact.

The KPA500 watches the K3S?s Band signals for its band selection when RADIO is set to K3. If doesn?t see the combination for a band, then it will select the wrong band.
It is possible that the K3 is outputting transverter band info, but since it changes with HF band, it doesn?t seem likely. The cable issue seems most likely at present. You might
remove the connectors and make sure no pins are bent and that the pins are making proper contact.

73!
Jack, W6FB


> On Oct 30, 2019, at 12:57 PM, Jim Sheldon <w0eb at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> Having a bit of trouble with the KPA500 following the bands out of the K3S.  For some reason, the other day I accidentally hit a button combination on the K3S (not sure what I hit) and the KPA500 is now thinking 7.0 MHz is 1.8 and some of the other bands aren't switching correctly either.  I can't find the command or whatever might cause this in the documentation I have.  It's been working properly since I got it some years ago.
> 
> Anybody have any ideas before I call Elecraft and bother the busy support staff?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim Sheldon, W0EB
> 
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From dennis at mail4life.net  Wed Oct 30 16:44:42 2019
From: dennis at mail4life.net (Dennis Moore)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 13:44:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 500 glitch
In-Reply-To: <90069688-3285-4304-BA58-6CDF1CF6F19E@me.com>
References: <em73ab3758-6a17-4d56-a6f7-9f6282e9e25c@jimsdesktop-pc>
	<90069688-3285-4304-BA58-6CDF1CF6F19E@me.com>
Message-ID: <ade7bc98-db7a-b9e3-9520-b0cb652eb70a@mail4life.net>

I ran into this exact issue caused by cable connections, specifically 
the Y-cable that didn't allow the connector screws to join the cables. 
Getting the Y-box from N6TV solved the loose cable problem.

73, Dennis NJ6G

On 10/30/2019 13:26, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote:
> Jim;
>
> Check the AUXIO cable to make sure it connects to the K3S and the KPA500 (or KAT500) properly. This sounds like the Band1 signal may not be making proper contact.
>
> The KPA500 watches the K3S?s Band signals for its band selection when RADIO is set to K3. If doesn?t see the combination for a band, then it will select the wrong band.
> It is possible that the K3 is outputting transverter band info, but since it changes with HF band, it doesn?t seem likely. The cable issue seems most likely at present. You might
> remove the connectors and make sure no pins are bent and that the pins are making proper contact.
>
> 73!
> Jack, W6FB

From FlatHat at comcast.net  Wed Oct 30 20:24:12 2019
From: FlatHat at comcast.net (Richard)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 20:24:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s/FT8 Audio Question
Message-ID: <F0843208-A733-4BD3-9913-0C9C791CA776@comcast.net>

The Elecraft K3s manual states over and over that the RF gain should always be wide open. I had been running it at about 12 o'clock on FT8 for some time before this was brought to my attention. I supposed that 100% RF gain could possibly show me weak stations I?d not seen before, so I?m trying it.

In order to keep the Audio Input to WSJT FT8 at a reasonable level (nominally 40dB: noise only) with the K3s RF gain wide open I have to run the SignaLink?s RX way down near full CCW. Very touchy and hard to adjust. SignaLink?s JP2  jumper is NOT connected. I do NOT use AGC, nor do I wish to.

Oh, this is a Mac so the USB Audio Codec input has no level adjustment.

Any suggestions as to what I might do to get SignaLink?s RX back to about 12 o?clock where it used to be?

Please reply to FlatHat at comcast.net

Cheers!

Richard Kunc  - W4KBX

From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Wed Oct 30 20:33:50 2019
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 20:33:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s/FT8 Audio Question
In-Reply-To: <F0843208-A733-4BD3-9913-0C9C791CA776@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-2494459672E64F1CBB8A4CB544F00D14@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

There is no reason to always run RF gain at maximum. Otherwise 
there wouldn't be a control.

I have always set up FT8 with the gains about 12 o'clock and 
adjusted the RF gain so the signal strength meter in wsjt-x is 
about 60 to 70. This adjustment gives the maximum level for the 
weak signals without overloading the analog to digital 
converter. The whole idea is to get every stage in the RF and AF 
chains in their linear range.

Sometimes when trying to copy a weak CW or SSB signal, dropping 
the RF gain so the band noise is barely audible will help.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 10/30/19 at 8:24 PM, FlatHat at comcast.net (Richard) wrote:

>The Elecraft K3s manual states over and over that the RF gain 
>should always be wide open. I had been running it at about 12 
>o'clock on FT8 for some time before this was brought to my 
>attention. I supposed that 100% RF gain could possibly show me 
>weak stations I?d not seen before, so I?m trying it.
>
>In order to keep the Audio Input to WSJT FT8 at a reasonable 
>level (nominally 40dB: noise only) with the K3s RF gain wide 
>open I have to run the SignaLink?s RX way down near full CCW. 
>Very touchy and hard to adjust. SignaLink?s JP2  jumper is 
>NOT connected. I do NOT use AGC, nor do I wish to.
>
>Oh, this is a Mac so the USB Audio Codec input has no level adjustment.
>
>Any suggestions as to what I might do to get SignaLink?s RX 
>back to about 12 o?clock where it used to be?
>
>Please reply to FlatHat at comcast.net
>
>Cheers!
>
>Richard Kunc  - W4KBX

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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Wed Oct 30 20:50:12 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 19:50:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s/FT8 Audio Question
In-Reply-To: <F0843208-A733-4BD3-9913-0C9C791CA776@comcast.net>
References: <F0843208-A733-4BD3-9913-0C9C791CA776@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <c022bf39-734a-91f5-5a3f-893760b881ef@blomand.net>

You can reduce the LIN OUT level via the Config menu in the radio.?? 
Normal is 010.? I would back that value down.

I use Windows 10 thus I have full control of all levels via the 
computer.?? Also I use the USB connection between the radio and computer 
and do not need a Signalink.

I can't say I agree that RF Gain should always be at maximum, nor do I 
agree that AGC should be OFF.? I know that information in the WSJT-X 
Help file indicated? to turn AGC off.??? I know is I've been operating 
my K3S for 3 years now, I use the RF Gain as needed to set the receiver 
for optimum performance based on no signal band noise.??? And I run the 
AGC on Fast with a RX BW of 2.7kHz and don't experience any issues from 
strong stations.?? I think the key is setting the RF Gain and ATTN to 
values to allow the no signal band noise to be about 10 dB above the 
noise floor of the receiver.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 10/30/2019 7:24 PM, Richard wrote:
> The Elecraft K3s manual states over and over that the RF gain should always be wide open. I had been running it at about 12 o'clock on FT8 for some time before this was brought to my attention. I supposed that 100% RF gain could possibly show me weak stations I?d not seen before, so I?m trying it.
>
> In order to keep the Audio Input to WSJT FT8 at a reasonable level (nominally 40dB: noise only) with the K3s RF gain wide open I have to run the SignaLink?s RX way down near full CCW. Very touchy and hard to adjust. SignaLink?s JP2  jumper is NOT connected. I do NOT use AGC, nor do I wish to.
>
> Oh, this is a Mac so the USB Audio Codec input has no level adjustment.
>
> Any suggestions as to what I might do to get SignaLink?s RX back to about 12 o?clock where it used to be?
>
> Please reply to FlatHat at comcast.net
>
> Cheers!
>
> Richard Kunc  - W4KBX
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Wed Oct 30 21:03:38 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 20:03:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Optimum Receiver Performance
In-Reply-To: <r480Ps-10146i-2494459672E64F1CBB8A4CB544F00D14@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-2494459672E64F1CBB8A4CB544F00D14@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <84d2c04e-e3a1-e1f3-597c-1533a6d10a15@blomand.net>

In writing this, I do so, saying that I find the method to be excellent 
and reliable and repeatable with regard to HF radio receiver operation 
for all modes.

In general it seems that hams have the more incorrect notion or idea 
where more gain is needed to hear a weak signal.? To some degree in 
certain conditions that is true, but not understanding the why and the 
how can actually lead to worst receiver performance issues.? In my 
communications with Rob Sherwood, {Sherwood Engineering, Inc.}? both 
face to face and in writing, I've learned that most if not many hams use 
too much RF Gain with their receivers. ? All legacy receivers are 
typically designed for 10 meters, thus attenuation is desirable on the 
lower HF bands. I've adopted this recommend practice and I'm amazed at 
the weak signals that I would often miss hearing that I now can hear and 
pull out of the noise.

If the no signal band noise is reading upscale on your S meter, add some 
attenuation and/or reduce the RF Gain.? There is no point in the noise 
running the AGC.?? You would like the no signal band noise to be about 
10 dB above the noise floor of the receiver.

If the receiver noise floor is 10 dB below band noise, the receiver is 
contributing less than 0.5 dB of the total noise. Thus more gain means 
more receiver noise.??? So how does all of this work???? As an example; 
the value taken from the manufactures specifications we find the 
receiver noise floor to be -130 dBm. Therefore, the target of 10 dB 
above the receiver noise floor for the no signal band noise would be 
-120 dBm.?? Band noise, by band, varies as much as 30 dB over the bands 
160M - 10M.??? In a noisy urban environment it is anybody's guess at to 
you band noise level. The point being, you must adjust receiver gain, 
and attenuation based on your antenna and your location to attain be 
best results.?? It will most assuredly be different for each band and 
antenna to antenna.??? And with directional antennas, some directions 
are noisier than others.

Here's how one is able to determine band noise.?? On a clear frequency 
for that band and with the chosen antenna, with no attenuation, no 
preamp and RF gain a maximum, observe the S meter value.?? For our 
example; lets say the S meter reads S-5 on no signal band noise.? This 
is equivalent to -97 dBm.?? There are charts readily available to 
convert S units to dBm.? {see ARRL Handbook}? We accept the standard of 
6 dB per S unit.?? Now for the math; our target of 10 dB above receiver 
noise floor is -120 dBm and our band noise is -97 dBm.? The difference 
is 23 dB. This says we need to use some value of attenuation, example 15 
dB, and 8 dB of RF gain reduction for a total of 23 dB.? This then 
places the band noise at 10 dB above the noise floor of the receiver. 
Depending on your receiver, you may have different values of attenuation 
choices.?? Also we must realize with directional antennas that band 
noise will likely vary with direction.? Usually worst case and best case 
conditions must be observed in order to resolve a nominal value.

As to the method for adjusting RF Gain, most receivers' S meter will 
move up scale as RF Gain is reduced.? At 6 dB per S unit, reducing the 
RF Gain such that the receiver S meter indicates 3 S units would be 
equivalent of 18 dB.?? This is easily seen when the receiver is 
connected to a dummy load.

Another way to assure you have this correct is to connect an AC 
voltmeter, one that reads dB to the audio output of the receiver. Adjust 
the receiver gain such that the meter reads -10 db when the receiver is 
on a dummy load.? Then connect the antenna.? If the noise goes up 3 dB 
that says the the receiver is contributing 1/2 of the noise.? If you can 
barely hear your antenna connect, you will need more RF Gain or less 
attenuation.

As to the use of the receiver preamp, again that is some amount of gain 
added to the receiver chain and must be considered accordingly.? As a 
rule, the preamp should only be engaged on the higher bands, 6M and 10M 
and to a lesser extent on other bands. Also one must take into 
consideration of the noise floor of the receiver with the preamp engaged.

For further study on the subject, visit Sherwood Engineering for one of 
his papers, videos, or PowerPoint presentations? for Contest 
University.? Look? under the heading of "Presentations, Tips and How to, 
and White Papers" . http://www.sherweng.com/

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 10/30/2019 7:33 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
> There is no reason to always run RF gain at maximum. Otherwise there 
> wouldn't be a control.
>
> I have always set up FT8 with the gains about 12 o'clock and adjusted 
> the RF gain so the signal strength meter in wsjt-x is about 60 to 70. 
> This adjustment gives the maximum level for the weak signals without 
> overloading the analog to digital converter. The whole idea is to get 
> every stage in the RF and AF chains in their linear range.
>
> Sometimes when trying to copy a weak CW or SSB signal, dropping the RF 
> gain so the band noise is barely audible will help.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
>


From k1whs at metrocast.net  Wed Oct 30 21:19:22 2019
From: k1whs at metrocast.net (David Olean)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 01:19:22 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Optimum Receiver Performance
In-Reply-To: <84d2c04e-e3a1-e1f3-597c-1533a6d10a15@blomand.net>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-2494459672E64F1CBB8A4CB544F00D14@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<84d2c04e-e3a1-e1f3-597c-1533a6d10a15@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <5489cad5-d11a-822a-d8b6-cb795a4fe4a0@metrocast.net>

I just had a graphic demonstration of the fact Bob mentioned when I was 
just rebuilding an old R-390 receiver a few weeks ago. I was pleased 
that I saw an AM sensitivity (30% modulation in a 4 khz BW) of 0.49 
microvolts for a 10 dB S/N ratio at 26 MHz. I then realized that I had 
the IF gain (an internal pot) set way too high. I re adjusted it to drop 
the gain and saw 0.28 microvolts in a 4 kHz BW and 0.14 microvolts in a 
2 kHz BW .? More isn't always better.

Dave K1WHS

On 10/31/2019 1:03 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> In writing this, I do so, saying that I find the method to be 
> excellent and reliable and repeatable with regard to HF radio receiver 
> operation for all modes.
>
> In general it seems that hams have the more incorrect notion or idea 
> where more gain is needed to hear a weak signal.? To some degree in 
> certain conditions that is true, but not understanding the why and the 
> how can actually lead to worst receiver performance issues.? In my 
> communications with Rob Sherwood, {Sherwood Engineering, Inc.}? both 
> face to face and in writing, I've learned that most if not many hams 
> use too much RF Gain with their receivers. ? All legacy receivers are 
> typically designed for 10 meters, thus attenuation is desirable on the 
> lower HF bands. I've adopted this recommend practice and I'm amazed at 
> the weak signals that I would often miss hearing that I now can hear 
> and pull out of the noise.
>
> If the no signal band noise is reading upscale on your S meter, add 
> some attenuation and/or reduce the RF Gain.? There is no point in the 
> noise running the AGC.?? You would like the no signal band noise to be 
> about 10 dB above the noise floor of the receiver.
>
> If the receiver noise floor is 10 dB below band noise, the receiver is 
> contributing less than 0.5 dB of the total noise. Thus more gain means 
> more receiver noise.??? So how does all of this work???? As an 
> example; the value taken from the manufactures specifications we find 
> the receiver noise floor to be -130 dBm. Therefore, the target of 10 
> dB above the receiver noise floor for the no signal band noise would 
> be -120 dBm.?? Band noise, by band, varies as much as 30 dB over the 
> bands 160M - 10M.??? In a noisy urban environment it is anybody's 
> guess at to you band noise level. The point being, you must adjust 
> receiver gain, and attenuation based on your antenna and your location 
> to attain be best results.?? It will most assuredly be different for 
> each band and antenna to antenna.??? And with directional antennas, 
> some directions are noisier than others.
>
> Here's how one is able to determine band noise.?? On a clear frequency 
> for that band and with the chosen antenna, with no attenuation, no 
> preamp and RF gain a maximum, observe the S meter value.?? For our 
> example; lets say the S meter reads S-5 on no signal band noise.? This 
> is equivalent to -97 dBm.?? There are charts readily available to 
> convert S units to dBm.? {see ARRL Handbook}? We accept the standard 
> of 6 dB per S unit.?? Now for the math; our target of 10 dB above 
> receiver noise floor is -120 dBm and our band noise is -97 dBm.? The 
> difference is 23 dB. This says we need to use some value of 
> attenuation, example 15 dB, and 8 dB of RF gain reduction for a total 
> of 23 dB.? This then places the band noise at 10 dB above the noise 
> floor of the receiver. Depending on your receiver, you may have 
> different values of attenuation choices.?? Also we must realize with 
> directional antennas that band noise will likely vary with direction.? 
> Usually worst case and best case conditions must be observed in order 
> to resolve a nominal value.
>
> As to the method for adjusting RF Gain, most receivers' S meter will 
> move up scale as RF Gain is reduced.? At 6 dB per S unit, reducing the 
> RF Gain such that the receiver S meter indicates 3 S units would be 
> equivalent of 18 dB.?? This is easily seen when the receiver is 
> connected to a dummy load.
>
> Another way to assure you have this correct is to connect an AC 
> voltmeter, one that reads dB to the audio output of the receiver. 
> Adjust the receiver gain such that the meter reads -10 db when the 
> receiver is on a dummy load.? Then connect the antenna.? If the noise 
> goes up 3 dB that says the the receiver is contributing 1/2 of the 
> noise.? If you can barely hear your antenna connect, you will need 
> more RF Gain or less attenuation.
>
> As to the use of the receiver preamp, again that is some amount of 
> gain added to the receiver chain and must be considered accordingly.? 
> As a rule, the preamp should only be engaged on the higher bands, 6M 
> and 10M and to a lesser extent on other bands. Also one must take into 
> consideration of the noise floor of the receiver with the preamp engaged.
>
> For further study on the subject, visit Sherwood Engineering for one 
> of his papers, videos, or PowerPoint presentations? for Contest 
> University.? Look? under the heading of "Presentations, Tips and How 
> to, and White Papers" . http://www.sherweng.com/
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 10/30/2019 7:33 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
>> There is no reason to always run RF gain at maximum. Otherwise there 
>> wouldn't be a control.
>>
>> I have always set up FT8 with the gains about 12 o'clock and adjusted 
>> the RF gain so the signal strength meter in wsjt-x is about 60 to 70. 
>> This adjustment gives the maximum level for the weak signals without 
>> overloading the analog to digital converter. The whole idea is to get 
>> every stage in the RF and AF chains in their linear range.
>>
>> Sometimes when trying to copy a weak CW or SSB signal, dropping the 
>> RF gain so the band noise is barely audible will help.
>>
>> 73 Bill AE6JV
>>
>>
>
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From ardrhi at gmail.com  Wed Oct 30 21:22:59 2019
From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 21:22:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s/FT8 Audio Question
In-Reply-To: <c022bf39-734a-91f5-5a3f-893760b881ef@blomand.net>
References: <F0843208-A733-4BD3-9913-0C9C791CA776@comcast.net>
	<c022bf39-734a-91f5-5a3f-893760b881ef@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <CA+nQa2PS_SzEE5vOdjC5=tQwyG0iE9NAr-rd91Ha=fbfp+BbFQ@mail.gmail.com>

I found an article a while back that extolled the virtue of running with
the volume all the way up, but the RF gain down. That way, you don't
amplify the noise along with the signal, if the signal is sticking up out
of the noise at all. It works pretty well! I'd get so frustrated trying to
keep the RF gain high and adjust the volume up and down, trying to pick out
a weak signal. The hash was always so hard to isolate the signal from, no
matter how much I diddled the filters. But running with volume high and
adjusting volume with the RF gain appears to work a lot better. I get far
better performance on my KX3 doing that!

Here's the article:
https://www.hamradioqrp.com/2015/08/copying-weak-cw-signals-counter.html

73,
Gwen, NG3P

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 8:50 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
wrote:

> You can reduce the LIN OUT level via the Config menu in the radio.
> Normal is 010.  I would back that value down.
>
> I use Windows 10 thus I have full control of all levels via the
> computer.   Also I use the USB connection between the radio and computer
> and do not need a Signalink.
>
> I can't say I agree that RF Gain should always be at maximum, nor do I
> agree that AGC should be OFF.  I know that information in the WSJT-X
> Help file indicated  to turn AGC off.    I know is I've been operating
> my K3S for 3 years now, I use the RF Gain as needed to set the receiver
> for optimum performance based on no signal band noise.    And I run the
> AGC on Fast with a RX BW of 2.7kHz and don't experience any issues from
> strong stations.   I think the key is setting the RF Gain and ATTN to
> values to allow the no signal band noise to be about 10 dB above the
> noise floor of the receiver.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
> On 10/30/2019 7:24 PM, Richard wrote:
> > The Elecraft K3s manual states over and over that the RF gain should
> always be wide open. I had been running it at about 12 o'clock on FT8 for
> some time before this was brought to my attention. I supposed that 100% RF
> gain could possibly show me weak stations I?d not seen before, so I?m
> trying it.
> >
> > In order to keep the Audio Input to WSJT FT8 at a reasonable level
> (nominally 40dB: noise only) with the K3s RF gain wide open I have to run
> the SignaLink?s RX way down near full CCW. Very touchy and hard to adjust.
> SignaLink?s JP2  jumper is NOT connected. I do NOT use AGC, nor do I wish
> to.
> >
> > Oh, this is a Mac so the USB Audio Codec input has no level adjustment.
> >
> > Any suggestions as to what I might do to get SignaLink?s RX back to
> about 12 o?clock where it used to be?
> >
> > Please reply to FlatHat at comcast.net
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Richard Kunc  - W4KBX
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From eric at elecraft.com  Wed Oct 30 23:15:46 2019
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 20:15:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 RFI on 12m
In-Reply-To: <3c6498b3-258e-2d11-9b03-90e0a24d994a@embarqmail.com>
References: <3c6498b3-258e-2d11-9b03-90e0a24d994a@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <697A36DF-FF7E-4546-A9EC-5317E68D7390@elecraft.com>

And with that post, lets close this -very- long thread. 

-Please- self moderate and end discussion threads when they get too long in the interest of relieving email overload for our other readers.  Once a thread hits 10 to 15 postings it should be voluntarily ended with very few additional emails.  If you feel the need to make additional 'last' comments, please make them off list to direct email.

73,
Eric
Moderator, from time to time.
elecraft.com
_..._

> On Oct 29, 2019, at 7:14 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?For all interested, you might want to read the relevant article on my website www.w3fpr.com.  It was written directed at QRP ops, but applies to QRO operations as well.

From backhoeken at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 31 07:44:57 2019
From: backhoeken at yahoo.com (Ken B)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 11:44:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Delivery
In-Reply-To: <C731C39D-8089-4357-B37C-0D119B259B04@elecraft.com>
References: <AB990CB9-8E02-450F-B618-7E5D37E9D6F3@mac.com>
	<C731C39D-8089-4357-B37C-0D119B259B04@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <563599684.4106716.1572522297769@mail.yahoo.com>

Any update on delivery dates?
Thank you?Ken WB8PKK

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 11:32 PM, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft<eric at elecraft.com> wrote:   Hi Tom,

I apologize for any confusion on K4 status. We really appreciate the support you and others have given us with your K4 orders. 

We?ve been very busy keeping our heads down and working hard finishing key K4 features and getting everything lined up for production, including getting critical long lead parts on order with committed delivery dates. We are being very careful about getting this right and not cutting corners. 

I?ll make sure to post updates more often here and via direct emAil to K4 order holders as we converge to keep everyone informed and up to date. We?ll also make more posts describing some exciting features we are adding to the K4 design.

We?ll be off line through this weekend at the ARRL Pacificon hamfest.? I?ll make sure to post here links to any video interviews we give there on the K4 and its newest features. 

73,
Eric
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Oct 31 11:40:04 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 08:40:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 panadapter vs. P3
In-Reply-To: <31634.1572507441491104750@groups.io>
References: <27897.1572184740536228631@groups.io>
	<31634.1572507441491104750@groups.io>
Message-ID: <3D517BA2-28F2-47D6-BAB4-AB82EE0711AC@elecraft.com>


> David Stout wrote:
> 
> I would like to see a comparison of the P3 and K4 in full screen mode. Is the K4 scope faster, higher res?


Hi David,

The K4's LCD has nearly 3x the area of the P3's, and 5x as many pixels. The resolution (pixels per inch) is about 30% greater. It's faster as well as brighter -- the K4 screen was easily readable in diffuse daylight during Field Day, while some other rigs' displays were not.

The K4's panadapter area using the standard display format is 25% greater than the P3's. This doesn't include the per-VFO "mini-pan" displays that overlay the S-meters, when desired, for fine tuning of signals.

Thanks to the much larger LCD, variations on the panadapter could be created that are much larger than this, at the expense of some per-receiver icons and the S-meters. So far we haven't felt the need, partly because the K4 includes an HDMI output that can drive an external monitor of any required size. This external monitor can be configured to display just the panadapter, with independent settings from the panadapter on the LCD.

Beyond this the K4 display provides:

- dual-pan mode (separate panadapters for main/A and sub/B)

- single or dual text decode windows

- far more digital signal processing horsepower (in aggregate, 
  roughly an order of magnitude greater than the K3S+P3)

- built-in IQ data streaming for use with computer applications

- a configurable multi-band mode to allow a quick check of activity
  on your favorite bands
 
- more flexibility in terms of display functions

- overlays for various functions (e.g.: DX call station list, 
  help information on all controls, RX/TX graphic EQ, alphanumeric
  keyboard for message/macro/menu entry, etc.); 

- virtually unlimited code space for future expansion; examples
  might include high-performance data decoders, AZ/EL display,
  custom station controls, image display, etc.

In short, the K4's display is much larger and more versatile, providing the kind of control visibility and convenience that's only possible by integrating the display into the transceiver itself.

Oh, and it's really fun to use :)

Wayne
N6KR



 

From keith at elecraft.com  Thu Oct 31 11:44:30 2019
From: keith at elecraft.com (Keith Trinity WE6R)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 08:44:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] I note that the mechanical strengthener for the K3
 synthesizers is no longer available
In-Reply-To: <48f453fd.bfa.16e1e30e184.Webtop.218@btinternet.com>
References: <48f453fd.bfa.16e1e30e184.Webtop.218@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <867dcc51-28d8-2c79-ee54-a27c6683a118@elecraft.com>

We still have them, K3STFNR
It comes up on the website.
It is for mechanical vibration pickup dampening, mainly needed on the 
Main as that is used in TX.
Keith WE6R


From turnbull at net1.ie  Thu Oct 31 12:16:42 2019
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 16:16:42 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 panadapter vs. P3
In-Reply-To: <3D517BA2-28F2-47D6-BAB4-AB82EE0711AC@elecraft.com>
References: <27897.1572184740536228631@groups.io><31634.1572507441491104750@groups.io>
	<3D517BA2-28F2-47D6-BAB4-AB82EE0711AC@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <31C8823A847D479C8BB5FD98385D8AE5@DougTPC>

Wayne,
     You have a Porsche of the radio world for us.    I just wish Fred Cady,
KE7X was around to further illustrate and explain.    Your technical writer
has a job on his/her hands.    I am anxiously waiting my K4 - this is going
to be fun.
                  73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: 31 October 2019 15:40
To: Elecraft-K4 at groups.io
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 panadapter vs. P3


> David Stout wrote:
> 
> I would like to see a comparison of the P3 and K4 in full screen mode. Is
the K4 scope faster, higher res?


Hi David,

The K4's LCD has nearly 3x the area of the P3's, and 5x as many pixels. The
resolution (pixels per inch) is about 30% greater. It's faster as well as
brighter -- the K4 screen was easily readable in diffuse daylight during
Field Day, while some other rigs' displays were not.

The K4's panadapter area using the standard display format is 25% greater
than the P3's. This doesn't include the per-VFO "mini-pan" displays that
overlay the S-meters, when desired, for fine tuning of signals.

Thanks to the much larger LCD, variations on the panadapter could be created
that are much larger than this, at the expense of some per-receiver icons
and the S-meters. So far we haven't felt the need, partly because the K4
includes an HDMI output that can drive an external monitor of any required
size. This external monitor can be configured to display just the
panadapter, with independent settings from the panadapter on the LCD.

Beyond this the K4 display provides:

- dual-pan mode (separate panadapters for main/A and sub/B)

- single or dual text decode windows

- far more digital signal processing horsepower (in aggregate, 
  roughly an order of magnitude greater than the K3S+P3)

- built-in IQ data streaming for use with computer applications

- a configurable multi-band mode to allow a quick check of activity
  on your favorite bands
 
- more flexibility in terms of display functions

- overlays for various functions (e.g.: DX call station list, 
  help information on all controls, RX/TX graphic EQ, alphanumeric
  keyboard for message/macro/menu entry, etc.); 

- virtually unlimited code space for future expansion; examples
  might include high-performance data decoders, AZ/EL display,
  custom station controls, image display, etc.

In short, the K4's display is much larger and more versatile, providing the
kind of control visibility and convenience that's only possible by
integrating the display into the transceiver itself.

Oh, and it's really fun to use :)

Wayne
N6KR



 
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Thu Oct 31 13:26:22 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 10:26:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] I note that the mechanical strengthener for the K3
 synthesizers is no longer available
In-Reply-To: <867dcc51-28d8-2c79-ee54-a27c6683a118@elecraft.com>
References: <48f453fd.bfa.16e1e30e184.Webtop.218@btinternet.com>
	<867dcc51-28d8-2c79-ee54-a27c6683a118@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <be3f3d45-d85f-bb22-26b5-72ab402e70c0@triconet.org>

As the guy who originally discovered the microphonic issue, I can assure that it 
affects receive too. I found it by noting sidebands on received audio due to the 
internal speaker modulating the synthesizer.? External noises can do the same.

Wes? N7WS

On 10/31/2019 8:44 AM, Keith Trinity WE6R wrote:
> We still have them, K3STFNR
> It comes up on the website.
> It is for mechanical vibration pickup dampening, mainly needed on the Main as 
> that is used in TX.
> Keith WE6R


From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Oct 31 14:37:08 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 14:37:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Delivery
In-Reply-To: <563599684.4106716.1572522297769@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <563599684.4106716.1572522297769@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <528A58FE-C9B7-4E05-AF3E-19A324F6D236@widomaker.com>

Old news. This was posted before Pacificon. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Oct 31, 2019, at 7:47 AM, Ken B via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Any update on delivery dates 
> Thank you Ken WB8PKK
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>  On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 11:32 PM, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft<eric at elecraft.com> wrote:   Hi Tom,
> 
> I apologize for any confusion on K4 status. We really appreciate the support you and others have given us with your K4 orders. 
> 
> We?ve been very busy keeping our heads down and working hard finishing key K4 features and getting everything lined up for production, including getting critical long lead parts on order with committed delivery dates. We are being very careful about getting this right and not cutting corners. 
> 
> I?ll make sure to post updates more often here and via direct emAil to K4 order holders as we converge to keep everyone informed and up to date. We?ll also make more posts describing some exciting features we are adding to the K4 design.
> 
> We?ll be off line through this weekend at the ARRL Pacificon hamfest.  I?ll make sure to post here links to any video interviews we give there on the K4 and its newest features. 
> 
> 73,
> Eric
> elecraft.com
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From xdavid at cis-broadband.com  Thu Oct 31 14:45:17 2019
From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 11:45:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 panadapter vs. P3
In-Reply-To: <3D517BA2-28F2-47D6-BAB4-AB82EE0711AC@elecraft.com>
References: <27897.1572184740536228631@groups.io>
	<31634.1572507441491104750@groups.io>
	<3D517BA2-28F2-47D6-BAB4-AB82EE0711AC@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <2618471c-5b13-80ce-5f04-93e5f07ae30f@cis-broadband.com>


Hopefully including the option for the waterfall to run from right to 
left instead of top to bottom (including a screen tap-to-pause feature) 
to allow visual decoding of CW.

Dave?? AB7E


On 10/31/2019 8:40 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>
> - virtually unlimited code space for future expansion; examples
>    might include high-performance data decoders, AZ/EL display,
>    custom station controls, image display, etc.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>


From daveingeb at comcast.net  Thu Oct 31 15:35:42 2019
From: daveingeb at comcast.net (DAVID INGEBRIGHT)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 13:35:42 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] KAP 500 Remote ON/OFF Via AUX Conn
Message-ID: <90448998.298197.1572550542477@connect.xfinity.com>

I'm wanting to utilize the AUX connector pins on my KPA 500 to remotely turn on and off the amplifier. The interface diagram on pg 25 of the manual shows pins 8 and 12 can be momentarily shorted to control the power. (#8 grounded) My plan is to do this via a 1216 webswitch. But when I touch 8 and 12 together, nothing happens. I've checked and verified all plugs tight and pins are correct. Possibly I need to pull 8 low with -12volts? I know a lot of you leave your amp in STBY all the time but I'd like the flexibility to turn it off and on remotely with extra contacts on the webswitch. 
Thanks de dave WB7ELY

From augie.hansen at comcast.net  Thu Oct 31 15:42:49 2019
From: augie.hansen at comcast.net (August "Gus" Hansen)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 13:42:49 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 panadapter vs. P3
In-Reply-To: <2618471c-5b13-80ce-5f04-93e5f07ae30f@cis-broadband.com>
References: <27897.1572184740536228631@groups.io>
	<31634.1572507441491104750@groups.io>
	<3D517BA2-28F2-47D6-BAB4-AB82EE0711AC@elecraft.com>
	<2618471c-5b13-80ce-5f04-93e5f07ae30f@cis-broadband.com>
Message-ID: <01ff444f-3c03-1c4e-6521-dc62cd560366@comcast.net>

On 10/31/2019 12:45 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
> Hopefully including the option for the waterfall to run from right to 
> left instead of top to bottom (including a screen tap-to-pause 
> feature) to allow visual decoding of CW.

 ?I like the idea, but if running horizontally instead of vertically, 
perhaps we should call the moving display an "aqueduct".

Gus Hansen
KB0YH


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Oct 31 16:00:04 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 13:00:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 panadapter vs. P3
In-Reply-To: <2618471c-5b13-80ce-5f04-93e5f07ae30f@cis-broadband.com>
References: <27897.1572184740536228631@groups.io>
	<31634.1572507441491104750@groups.io>
	<3D517BA2-28F2-47D6-BAB4-AB82EE0711AC@elecraft.com>
	<2618471c-5b13-80ce-5f04-93e5f07ae30f@cis-broadband.com>
Message-ID: <59585221-3851-6ba5-5f24-a6b921259dbb@foothill.net>

And a monochrome WF option too like the P3?

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 10/31/2019 11:45 AM, David Gilbert wrote:
>
> Hopefully including the option for the waterfall to run from right to 
> left instead of top to bottom (including a screen tap-to-pause 
> feature) to allow visual decoding of CW.
>
> Dave?? AB7E
>
>
> On 10/31/2019 8:40 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>
>> - virtually unlimited code space for future expansion; examples
>> ?? might include high-performance data decoders, AZ/EL display,
>> ?? custom station controls, image display, etc.
>>
>> Wayne
>> N6KR


From Gary at ka1j.com  Thu Oct 31 16:37:30 2019
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 16:37:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 panadapter vs. P3
In-Reply-To: <3D517BA2-28F2-47D6-BAB4-AB82EE0711AC@elecraft.com>
References: <27897.1572184740536228631@groups.io>,
	<31634.1572507441491104750@groups.io>,
	<3D517BA2-28F2-47D6-BAB4-AB82EE0711AC@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <5DBB460A.28061.441A93F@Gary.ka1j.com>

I have to say I'm really looking forward 
to using this, it sounds like it's going 
to be wonderful.

73, Gary KA1J


> 
> > David Stout wrote:
> > 
> > I would like to see a comparison of the P3 and K4 in full screen
> > mode. Is the K4 scope faster, higher res?
> 
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> The K4's LCD has nearly 3x the area of the P3's, and 5x as many
> pixels. The resolution (pixels per inch) is about 30% greater. It's
> faster as well as brighter -- the K4 screen was easily readable in
> diffuse daylight during Field Day, while some other rigs' displays
> were not.
> 
> The K4's panadapter area using the standard display format is 25%
> greater than the P3's. This doesn't include the per-VFO "mini-pan"
> displays that overlay the S-meters, when desired, for fine tuning of
> signals.
> 
> Thanks to the much larger LCD, variations on the panadapter could be
> created that are much larger than this, at the expense of some
> per-receiver icons and the S-meters. So far we haven't felt the need,
> partly because the K4 includes an HDMI output that can drive an
> external monitor of any required size. This external monitor can be
> configured to display just the panadapter, with independent settings
> from the panadapter on the LCD.
> 
> Beyond this the K4 display provides:
> 
> - dual-pan mode (separate panadapters for main/A and sub/B)
> 
> - single or dual text decode windows
> 
> - far more digital signal processing horsepower (in aggregate, 
>   roughly an order of magnitude greater than the K3S+P3)
> 
> - built-in IQ data streaming for use with computer applications
> 
> - a configurable multi-band mode to allow a quick check of activity
>   on your favorite bands
> 
> - more flexibility in terms of display functions
> 
> - overlays for various functions (e.g.: DX call station list, 
>   help information on all controls, RX/TX graphic EQ, alphanumeric
>   keyboard for message/macro/menu entry, etc.); 
> 
> - virtually unlimited code space for future expansion; examples
>   might include high-performance data decoders, AZ/EL display,
>   custom station controls, image display, etc.
> 
> In short, the K4's display is much larger and more versatile,
> providing the kind of control visibility and convenience that's only
> possible by integrating the display into the transceiver itself.
> 
> Oh, and it's really fun to use :)
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 31 17:51:58 2019
From: gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com (eric norris)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 21:51:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 model v. K3S for strong nearby signal rejection.
References: <750667396.25712.1572558718041.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <750667396.25712.1572558718041@mail.yahoo.com>

Can somebody tell me which of the K4 models will produce better blocking of extremely strong (S9+20 to S9+40) nearby in frequency signals than a K3S?? Is this blocking gain compression?? I'm trying to plan a future station upgrade and I have ham neighbors.
73. Eric WD6DBM

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From scott.small at gmail.com  Thu Oct 31 18:05:31 2019
From: scott.small at gmail.com (Tox)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 15:05:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 model v. K3S for strong nearby signal rejection.
In-Reply-To: <750667396.25712.1572558718041@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <750667396.25712.1572558718041.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<750667396.25712.1572558718041@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CADkB6UrNw0MS_2d1AwVrS+W23-vhwYa6Ba9Q_JBNJa8bDmNb-w@mail.gmail.com>

K4hd (is a k4(d?) With additional filters)

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 2:52 PM eric norris via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Can somebody tell me which of the K4 models will produce better blocking
> of extremely strong (S9+20 to S9+40) nearby in frequency signals than a
> K3S?  Is this blocking gain compression?  I'm trying to plan a future
> station upgrade and I have ham neighbors.
> 73. Eric WD6DBM
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Oct 31 18:46:52 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 18:46:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 model v. K3S for strong nearby signal rejection.
In-Reply-To: <CADkB6UrNw0MS_2d1AwVrS+W23-vhwYa6Ba9Q_JBNJa8bDmNb-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADkB6UrNw0MS_2d1AwVrS+W23-vhwYa6Ba9Q_JBNJa8bDmNb-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55E1D376-C9DA-48EA-AD5E-E1C61E8A9DC3@widomaker.com>

Read the FAQ. The K4HD is a K4D with a superheat front end with roofing filters added in front of the ADCs. Like adding a K3 in front of the SDR. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Oct 31, 2019, at 6:12 PM, Tox <scott.small at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?K4hd (is a k4(d?) With additional filters)
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 2:52 PM eric norris via Elecraft <
>> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Can somebody tell me which of the K4 models will produce better blocking
>> of extremely strong (S9+20 to S9+40) nearby in frequency signals than a
>> K3S?  Is this blocking gain compression?  I'm trying to plan a future
>> station upgrade and I have ham neighbors.
>> 73. Eric WD6DBM
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Oct 31 19:29:14 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 19:29:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAP 500 Remote ON/OFF Via AUX Conn
In-Reply-To: <90448998.298197.1572550542477@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <90448998.298197.1572550542477@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <27513220-5BB0-4DB6-820E-CD714FA467EF@widomaker.com>

WIN4kK3 does this function. Maybe you can determine how. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Oct 31, 2019, at 3:42 PM, DAVID INGEBRIGHT <daveingeb at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I'm wanting to utilize the AUX connector pins on my KPA 500 to remotely turn on and off the amplifier. The interface diagram on pg 25 of the manual shows pins 8 and 12 can be momentarily shorted to control the power. (#8 grounded) My plan is to do this via a 1216 webswitch. But when I touch 8 and 12 together, nothing happens. I've checked and verified all plugs tight and pins are correct. Possibly I need to pull 8 low with -12volts? I know a lot of you leave your amp in STBY all the time but I'd like the flexibility to turn it off and on remotely with extra contacts on the webswitch. 
> Thanks de dave WB7ELY
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From w2blc at nycap.rr.com  Thu Oct 31 19:31:43 2019
From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 19:31:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and P3 price reduction
Message-ID: <b970a725-01ea-55c3-4195-2d30eb0978a3@nycap.rr.com>

K3, P3, KPod and a load of extras. Shipped USPS insured to the lower 48 
for $1800 or offer. Payment via USPS Money Order or PayPal. Cash price 
with local pickup $1700. Please email off list for more info: 
mymail at necoastal.net.


From jackbrindle at me.com  Thu Oct 31 19:54:18 2019
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 16:54:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KAP 500 Remote ON/OFF Via AUX Conn
In-Reply-To: <90448998.298197.1572550542477@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <90448998.298197.1572550542477@connect.xfinity.com>
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Do you have the rear panel switch on? Pin 8 is in parallel with the front panel pushbutton, so it will power on/off the KPA500 under the same conditions as the front panel power button.

73!
Jack, W6FB


> On Oct 31, 2019, at 12:35 PM, DAVID INGEBRIGHT <daveingeb at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> I'm wanting to utilize the AUX connector pins on my KPA 500 to remotely turn on and off the amplifier. The interface diagram on pg 25 of the manual shows pins 8 and 12 can be momentarily shorted to control the power. (#8 grounded) My plan is to do this via a 1216 webswitch. But when I touch 8 and 12 together, nothing happens. I've checked and verified all plugs tight and pins are correct. Possibly I need to pull 8 low with -12volts? I know a lot of you leave your amp in STBY all the time but I'd like the flexibility to turn it off and on remotely with extra contacts on the webswitch. 
> Thanks de dave WB7ELY
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From a.durbin at msn.com  Thu Oct 31 20:18:34 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 00:18:34 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAP 500 Remote ON/OFF Via AUX Conn
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"But when I touch 8 and 12 together, nothing happens"

What is the open circuit voltage on pin 8?   It's not a complex circuit and, except for connectors and cables, the only thing that would stop it working is a failure of diode D4 which is a BAT54.

Andy, k3wyc

From billclarke at nycap.rr.com  Thu Oct 31 20:21:43 2019
From: billclarke at nycap.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 20:21:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and P3 price reduction
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Has been sold. It will be missed.


From donw4cbs at gmail.com  Thu Oct 31 21:10:45 2019
From: donw4cbs at gmail.com (donw4cbs)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 21:10:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 1500 on 12 meters
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Makes the impedance here in parts of Florida a moving target. Its not how high the antenna is above the ground (sand) it's how high above the water table which can vary from a few inches below the surface in July to 25 feet or more below in Dec-Mar in our dry season. Suddenly our 80 or 160 meter antennas are 25 feet higher in the winter months.Don, W4CBS?Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note9.

From norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 31 22:58:47 2019
From: norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com (Eric Norris)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 19:58:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 model v. K3S for strong nearby signal rejection.
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This doesn't answer my question.  Is the K4HD required to provide nearby
signal  blocking equal to or better than the K3s?  There is no statement
like this in the FAQ, nor any technical specs.  I'm sure Elecraft has run
these tests, and I hope they'll share them, or at least give us some idea
of the relative performance of the various K4 models compared to the K3S as
regards to nearby signal rejection.

73 Eric WD6DBM

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 3:47 PM Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:

> Read the FAQ. The K4HD is a K4D with a superheat front end with roofing
> filters added in front of the ADCs. Like adding a K3 in front of the SDR.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
> > On Oct 31, 2019, at 6:12 PM, Tox <scott.small at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?K4hd (is a k4(d?) With additional filters)
> >
> >> On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 2:52 PM eric norris via Elecraft <
> >> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Can somebody tell me which of the K4 models will produce better blocking
> >> of extremely strong (S9+20 to S9+40) nearby in frequency signals than a
> >> K3S?  Is this blocking gain compression?  I'm trying to plan a future
> >> station upgrade and I have ham neighbors.
> >> 73. Eric WD6DBM
> >>
> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>