[Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 187, Issue 3
Jim Danehy
jsdanehy at gmail.com
Sat Nov 2 16:31:50 EDT 2019
You learn at an EARLY AGE. Young kids learn to be multi language because of certain NEURONS. There are an abundance of them. Not used they die. Your ability to learn CW and LANGUAGES diminishes. You may disagree. So be it.
But missing NEURONS is critical. More difficult for adults to learn languages. Difficult for adults to learn CW.
Kids learn quicker and more effectively.
Neurons die when not used
W9VNE
The above is factual.
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> 1. Transceivers vs operators (Jim Danehy)
> 2. Re: Transceivers vs operators (David Gilbert)
> 3. Re: Transceivers vs operators (Martin Sole)
> 4. KX2 storage temps (eric norris)
> 5. Re: KX2 storage temps (Tommy)
> 6. Elecraft SSB net and time change to Standard time (Eric Lanzl)
> 7. Turnbuckle Threads (Richard)
> 8. Re: Turnbuckle Threads (John Stengrevics)
> 9. K3s SSB Filters Still Available (Doug Hensley)
> 10. Re: Turnbuckle Threads (Mark Goldberg)
> 11. Re: Turnbuckle Threads (John Stengrevics)
> 12. Re: Turnbuckle Threads (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
> 13. Re: Elecraft SSB net and time change to Standard time (Wes)
> 14. Fwd: Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All (Richard)
> 15. Re: Turnbuckle Threads (John Stengrevics)
> 16. Re: Fwd: Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All (Don Wilhelm)
> 17. Re: Fwd: Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All. another
> suggestion. (David Christ)
> 18. Re: Turnbuckle Threads (Barry)
> 19. Re: Turnbuckle Threads (Josh Fiden)
> 20. Re: Turnbuckle Threads (rv6amark)
> 21. Re: Turnbuckle Threads (rv6amark)
> 22. Re: Fwd: Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All (Mike Harris)
> 23. Re: Transceivers vs operators (Fred Jensen)
> 24. (OT) Ca Fires (k7sss at aol.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 00:31:20 -0400
> From: Jim Danehy <jsdanehy at gmail.com>
> To: Elecraft Mailing List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Transceivers vs operators
> Message-ID: <16AAA34A-E0A9-450D-B9CE-56CDDB137FC4 at gmail.com>
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> I read about all of the specs in the rigs
> I have been operating for 67 years.
> I got used to radios from the 1950s.
> My K3 has every option you can buy. Sub receiver and filters galore.
>
> I rarely use the narrow filters. I have a ?software? defined brain. It is the best filter you can have. If you practice long enough you can do a lot of filtering in your head (brain).
>
> I am primarily a CW operator. I can copy up to 50 wpm too. Solid copy fades above that speed. The brain is what allows you to decode CW at those speeds. Done in various amounts of QRM/QRN. My K3 can?t decode at QRQ with QRN/QRM !
>
> Unfortunately you can tune the bands and not hear a CW signal. Hit the FT 8 QRG and there are stations.
>
> I can read a book / Newspaper and listen to a 45 wpm CW signal. I hear CW Contesters but they use keyboards to send CW. They can copy calls but don?t ask them a question at QRQ speed. Some can copy but not many.
>
> A transceiver is not the most critical element in a station. It is the brain. You can?t upgrade brains.
>
> My brain operates at a very fast speed too.
> When it becomes a reflex it is like human speech. It is after all just a different sound. That takes years to acquire
>
> Just a different perspective. It is almost 70 years of experience too.
>
> I own a K2, K3, KX2 and KX3. My DXCC TOTAL is 370. I have not used a beam in the last 30 years.
>
> It?s the operator ! !
>
> Jim
> W9VNE/VA3VNE
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 21:58:07 -0700
> From: David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Transceivers vs operators
> Message-ID: <2e6a1093-e8e9-9eda-3068-ae1cabc873d3 at cis-broadband.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
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>
> Aside from the bragging, much of what you said there is true ... but not
> all.? I used to do a lot of CW contesting with a TS-940SAT, and later
> with a 756Pro (first version).? No amount of experience, brain power, or
> riding the RF gain and attenuator could help me copy CW when really loud
> signals 10 or 15 KHz away were desensing the rig to oblivion.? I now
> have a K3 with narrow filters and I have several times run a frequency
> for a long time before realizing there was another 59+10 station just a
> few hundred Hz away ... and the only way I discovered that was when
> stations calling him did so enough off frequency that they hit my passband.
>
> Rigs make a difference, and by the way so do antennas.
>
> 73,
> Dave? AB7E
>
>
>> On 11/1/2019 9:31 PM, Jim Danehy wrote:
>> I read about all of the specs in the rigs
>> I have been operating for 67 years.
>> I got used to radios from the 1950s.
>> My K3 has every option you can buy. Sub receiver and filters galore.
>>
>> I rarely use the narrow filters. I have a ?software? defined brain. It is the best filter you can have. If you practice long enough you can do a lot of filtering in your head (brain).
>>
>> I am primarily a CW operator. I can copy up to 50 wpm too. Solid copy fades above that speed. The brain is what allows you to decode CW at those speeds. Done in various amounts of QRM/QRN. My K3 can?t decode at QRQ with QRN/QRM !
>>
>> Unfortunately you can tune the bands and not hear a CW signal. Hit the FT 8 QRG and there are stations.
>>
>> I can read a book / Newspaper and listen to a 45 wpm CW signal. I hear CW Contesters but they use keyboards to send CW. They can copy calls but don?t ask them a question at QRQ speed. Some can copy but not many.
>>
>> A transceiver is not the most critical element in a station. It is the brain. You can?t upgrade brains.
>>
>> My brain operates at a very fast speed too.
>> When it becomes a reflex it is like human speech. It is after all just a different sound. That takes years to acquire
>>
>> Just a different perspective. It is almost 70 years of experience too.
>>
>> I own a K2, K3, KX2 and KX3. My DXCC TOTAL is 370. I have not used a beam in the last 30 years.
>>
>> It?s the operator ! !
>>
>> Jim
>> W9VNE/VA3VNE
>>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 14:43:34 +0700
> From: Martin Sole <hs0zed at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Transceivers vs operators
> Message-ID: <8fd92971-cd1e-d391-01f3-742a5ddf88b0 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Snipping bits. Some good points.
>
>> On 02/11/2019 11:31, Jim Danehy wrote:
>> Unfortunately you can tune the bands and not hear a CW signal. Hit the FT 8 QRG and there are stations.
> I've pretty much come to detest FT-whatever for the apparent demise of,
> other what I consider more real modes :( I have to have a certain amount
> of faith though that sunspots will help. Even so ZD7 last night on 15
> for a new one so it's not all bad prop, unfortunately a phoney (SSB)
> contact.
>
>> I can read a book / Newspaper and listen to a 45 wpm CW signal. I hear CW Contesters but they use keyboards to send CW. They can copy calls but don?t ask them a question at QRQ speed. Some can copy but not many.
> Some personal shame here. I can pretty much contest and work dx, but
> proper cw contacts still scare the bejesus out of me. I refuse to give
> in though, I'm working up to calling CQ more as well, got to be active.
>> A transceiver is not the most critical element in a station. It is the brain. You can?t upgrade brains.
> I disagree, time, training, commitment and focus do help. That said I
> lack all of these it seems ;)
>> My brain operates at a very fast speed too.
>> When it becomes a reflex it is like human speech. It is after all just a different sound. That takes years to acquire
> At almost 60 I doubt I'll achieve those lofty heights but giving up is
> not an option either.
>> Just a different perspective. It is almost 70 years of experience too.
>>
>> I own a K2, K3, KX2 and KX3. My DXCC TOTAL is 370. I have not used a beam in the last 30 years.
>>
>> It?s the operator ! !
>>
>> Jim
>> W9VNE/VA3VNE
>>
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 12:04:02 +0000 (UTC)
> From: eric norris <gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 storage temps
> Message-ID: <1608999701.642122.1572696242270 at mail.yahoo.com>
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> Does anyone know what a safe temperature is for storing--not operating--a KX2, with batteries?? 32F?? 20F?? 10F?? I can't find the answer in the manual, brochure, or FAQs
> Thanks and 73, Eric WD6DBM
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 08:13:21 -0400
> From: Tommy <tommy58 at hvc.rr.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 storage temps
> Message-ID: <36ef6238-7e98-60bc-c55c-274d228b5c1a at hvc.rr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
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> Eric,
>
> ?? Batteries do NOT like cold or excessive heat so I wouldn't store the
> battery in either conditions.
>
> 73!
>
> Tom - KB2SMS
>
>
>> On 11/2/19 8:04 AM, eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
>> Does anyone know what a safe temperature is for storing--not operating--a KX2, with batteries?? 32F?? 20F?? 10F?? I can't find the answer in the manual, brochure, or FAQs
>> Thanks and 73, Eric WD6DBM
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 12:30:44 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Eric Lanzl <elanzl at sbcglobal.net>
> To: Elecraft List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>, Jim White NC0JW
> <ars.nc0jw at gmail.com>, Albert Winger <awinger2011 at icloud.com>, N6jw
> <n6jw at arrl.net>, K1nw <k1nw at arrl.net>, Rodger Williamson
> <n4nrw at arrl.net>, Steve Hall <99sunset at gmail.com>, Carl Yaffey
> <cyaffey at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net and time change to Standard time
> Message-ID: <596092687.214354.1572697844838 at mail.yahoo.com>
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> Just a reminder that with the time changing to standard time the Elecraft SSB net will take place one hour earlier. The time of the net is still 1800Z. Please join us for the net on Sunday.
>
> Eric WB9JNZ
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 10:16:24 -0400
> From: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
> Message-ID: <4021045D-BF83-4CE6-B498-9B5502C67922 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Richard Kunc - W4KBX
>
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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 10:26:15 -0400
> From: John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net>
> To: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
> Message-ID: <F69CFD41-1F81-439D-B735-7116C517BE4F at comcast.net>
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> I would not use stainless.
>
>
> John
> WA1EAZ
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Richard Kunc - W4KBX
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 14:51:33 +0000
> From: Doug Hensley <w5jv at hotmail.com>
> To: Elecraft List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3s SSB Filters Still Available
> Message-ID:
> <DM6PR01MB589829FFEF0909C5AC37798E917D0 at DM6PR01MB5898.prod.exchangelabs.com>
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> Still have 4 Sale:
>
> A matched pair of 2.7 kHZ K3S SSB filters;
>
> $160 ($80 ea). Shipping is cheap.
>
> QSL: W5JV privately please.
>
> Doug W5JV
> K1, K2, K3S
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Visit https://www.qrz.com/db/W5JV for some great boat-anchor items. Looking for something special? Ask us.
> Wanted: Petersen Type PR-1 Crystal in FT-243 holder cut for 1770 kHZ (Used in IF Stage of a Mackay Receiver).
>
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 07:56:14 -0700
> From: Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com>
> To: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>, Elecraft Reflector
> <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
> Message-ID:
> <CAKn+a3uzFGD1B2RhX7b0e=NxzuZ35eonmW1fddybUcXRCUPG8Q at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Richard:
>
> If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickle anti-seize on stainless
> hardware, even in Aluminum.
> What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your
> temperature extremes?
> I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is
> not a big issue.
>
> John:
>
> What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the
> load?
>
>
> 73,
>
> Mark
> W7MLG
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I would not use stainless.
>>
>>
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
>>
>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys
>> ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 10:59:48 -0400
> From: John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net>
> To: Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
> Message-ID: <F4B8263C-7A1A-4B6A-965F-966BBB2C6050 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> My tower guy says stainless is too brittle. Use anodized instead.
>
> John
> WA1EAZ
>
>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:56 AM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Richard:
>>
>> If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickle anti-seize on stainless
>> hardware, even in Aluminum.
>> What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your
>> temperature extremes?
>> I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is
>> not a big issue.
>>
>> John:
>>
>> What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the
>> load?
>>
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Mark
>> W7MLG
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I would not use stainless.
>>>
>>>
>>> John
>>> WA1EAZ
>>>
>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys
>>> ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 10:09:01 -0500
> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
> Message-ID: <92bb99f8-7576-0a34-0363-db31909eea09 at blomand.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
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> Rohn tower hardware is hot dipped galvanized steel.? I'd take their
> knowledge over any "tower guy" or any other person for that matter.
>
> Remember, your tower and perhaps someones life may depend on your tower
> hardware, use and installation.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
>> On 11/2/2019 9:59 AM, John Stengrevics wrote:
>> My tower guy says stainless is too brittle. Use anodized instead.
>>
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
>>
>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:56 AM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Richard:
>>>
>>> If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickle anti-seize on stainless
>>> hardware, even in Aluminum.
>>> What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your
>>> temperature extremes?
>>> I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is
>>> not a big issue.
>>>
>>> John:
>>>
>>> What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the
>>> load?
>>>
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Mark
>>> W7MLG
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would not use stainless.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>> WA1EAZ
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys
>>>> ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 08:14:08 -0700
> From: Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net and time change to Standard
> time
> Message-ID: <38949528-8d61-ba14-d4b7-ebee3d974ff0 at triconet.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> If it's still at 1800Z, then it didn't change.? "Standard" time should not be
> used in ham radio.
>
> Wes? N7WS
>
>> On 11/2/2019 5:30 AM, Eric Lanzl wrote:
>> Just a reminder that with the time changing to standard time the Elecraft SSB net will take place one hour earlier. The time of the net is still 1800Z. Please join us for the net on Sunday.
>>
>> Eric WB9JNZ
>
>
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 11:28:18 -0400
> From: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All
> Message-ID: <9F435671-106B-423C-BC2A-B4462EEADF20 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
>
>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> From: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All
>> Date: November 2, 2019 at 11:25:17 AM EDT
>> To: Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com>
>>
>> These ropes are more accurately anti-droop cords on a long-boom yagi.
>>
>> I am in central Florida, nowhere near salt water, temperatures nominally 95F to 40F.
>>
>> I AM using stainless turnbuckles: "stainless steel/stainless steel? means both the body and the screws are stainless steel.
>>
>> These turnbuckles are recommended by Justin Johnson of InnovAntennas for his antennas.
>>
>> The two answers I like best so far are Permatex anti-seize and John Deere corn head grease. Any more?
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:56 AM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com <mailto:marklgoldberg at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Richard:
>>>
>>> If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickel anti-seize on stainless hardware, even in Aluminum.
>>> What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your temperature extremes?
>>> I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is not a big issue.
>>>
>>> John:
>>>
>>> What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the load?
>>>
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Mark
>>> W7MLG
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net <mailto:jstengrevics at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>> I would not use stainless.
>>>
>>>
>>> John
>>> WA1EAZ
>>>
>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net <mailto:FlatHat at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>>>
>>
>
>
>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 11:43:10 -0400
> From: John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net>
> To: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
> Message-ID: <F4CD2319-83CE-4CD5-851A-EF59B7A1112A at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Oops?I meant galvanized. Just not stainless.
>
> John
> WA1EAZ
>
>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 11:09 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
>>
>> Rohn tower hardware is hot dipped galvanized steel. I'd take their knowledge over any "tower guy" or any other person for that matter.
>>
>> Remember, your tower and perhaps someones life may depend on your tower hardware, use and installation.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Bob, K4TAX
>>
>>
>>> On 11/2/2019 9:59 AM, John Stengrevics wrote:
>>> My tower guy says stainless is too brittle. Use anodized instead.
>>>
>>> John
>>> WA1EAZ
>>>
>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:56 AM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Richard:
>>>>
>>>> If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickle anti-seize on stainless
>>>> hardware, even in Aluminum.
>>>> What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your
>>>> temperature extremes?
>>>> I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is
>>>> not a big issue.
>>>>
>>>> John:
>>>>
>>>> What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the
>>>> load?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>> W7MLG
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I would not use stainless.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>> WA1EAZ
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys
>>>>> ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>>>>>
>>>>>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 11:50:09 -0400
> From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> To: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>, Elecraft Reflector
> <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for
> All
> Message-ID: <a25bfaf0-2c28-de7b-7b81-743d676eb4e8 at embarqmail.com>
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> Richard,
>
> I would go with the Farm Equipment folks on this. Many parts of farm
> equipment are actually turnbuckles of one style or another and some of
> that equipment is left in the open air. The grease coating prevents
> moisture intrusion and potential seizing no matter what the material
> type may be.
> In the case of turnbuckles, make certain you are using a "stay wire" to
> prevent unwanted movement.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>> On 11/2/2019 11:28 AM, Richard wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>> From: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All
>>> Date: November 2, 2019 at 11:25:17 AM EDT
>>> To: Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com>
>>>
>>> These ropes are more accurately anti-droop cords on a long-boom yagi.
>>>
>>> I am in central Florida, nowhere near salt water, temperatures nominally 95F to 40F.
>>>
>>> I AM using stainless turnbuckles: "stainless steel/stainless steel? means both the body and the screws are stainless steel.
>>>
>>> These turnbuckles are recommended by Justin Johnson of InnovAntennas for his antennas.
>>>
>>> The two answers I like best so far are Permatex anti-seize and John Deere corn head grease. Any more?
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 10:54:08 -0500
> From: David Christ <radioham at mchsi.com>
> To: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for
> All. another suggestion.
> Message-ID: <50D66A8E-85AC-44CC-8D52-3630EBC7033F at mchsi.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Here is another for you. Background. In order to be able to take them on airplanes tandem bicycles are often made with stainless steel couplers than can be unscrewed to take the frame apart. Adding the couplers to a tandem add between $1000 and $2000 to an already multi thousand dollar bicycle. Stainless steel is prone to galling and having a coupler seize makes the bicycle unridable and results in a very expensive repair.
>
> The manufacturer of these couplers has put a lot of effort into finding lubrication that best prevents galling. After testing over 100 products they recommend using Finish Line? Extreme Fluoro Grease. The attached link explains their findings.
>
> <http://www.sandsmachine.com/grease_t.htm>
>
> When you look at the kind of things they design and manufacture you get the feeling they know what they are talking about
>
> <http://www.sandsmachine.com/s_about.htm>
>
> Disclosure: I and many friends have bicycles with their couplers but have no financial interest in the business or the lubricant.
>
> David K0LUM
>
>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:28 AM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>> From: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All
>>> Date: November 2, 2019 at 11:25:17 AM EDT
>>> To: Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com>
>>>
>>> These ropes are more accurately anti-droop cords on a long-boom yagi.
>>>
>>> I am in central Florida, nowhere near salt water, temperatures nominally 95F to 40F.
>>>
>>> I AM using stainless turnbuckles: "stainless steel/stainless steel? means both the body and the screws are stainless steel.
>>>
>>> These turnbuckles are recommended by Justin Johnson of InnovAntennas for his antennas.
>>>
>>> The two answers I like best so far are Permatex anti-seize and John Deere corn head grease. Any more?
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:56 AM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com <mailto:marklgoldberg at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Richard:
>>>>
>>>> If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickel anti-seize on stainless hardware, even in Aluminum.
>>>> What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your temperature extremes?
>>>> I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is not a big issue.
>>>>
>>>> John:
>>>>
>>>> What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the load?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>> W7MLG
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net <mailto:jstengrevics at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>> I would not use stainless.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>> WA1EAZ
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net <mailto:FlatHat at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>>>>
>>>
>>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 15:57:27 +0000
> From: Barry <barrylazar2 at gmail.com>
> To: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>, "Elecraft Reflector"
> <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
> Message-ID: <emfe2ad0a8-a8df-4922-a8e7-f53fed43af82 at office-desktop-i>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8
>
> Richard,
> I used to use a lanolin based product on my stainless turnbuckles on
> my boat. That is no longer available. So, what I suggest is that you go
> on line to West Marine and see what they have and recommend. Nothing is
> as finicky as the materials in a marine environment. Salt air and water
> really does a number on boat stuff. Only suggestion is that your
> stainless be marine grade.
>
> 73,
> Barry
> K3NDM
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Richard" <FlatHat at comcast.net>
> To: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: 11/2/2019 10:16:24 AM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
>
>> For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Richard Kunc - W4KBX
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> Message: 19
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 11:47:06 -0700
> From: Josh Fiden <josh at voodoolab.com>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
> Message-ID: <17215EEC-7CAC-4BBB-8D4D-9FABC3733C00 at voodoolab.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> I use Permatex anti-seize, same as west marine sells. I?ve only used ss turnbuckles for truss cables & anything I want to look pretty (architectural). Never a problem when threads are coated. Tower guys always galvanized. SS is a PITA with galling. I suppose if you?re in a real corrosive environment it would make sense.
>
> 73
> Josh W6XU
>
> Sent from my mobile device
>
>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 8:57 AM, Barry <barrylazar2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Richard,
>> I used to use a lanolin based product on my stainless turnbuckles on my boat. That is no longer available. So, what I suggest is that you go on line to West Marine and see what they have and recommend. Nothing is as finicky as the materials in a marine environment. Salt air and water really does a number on boat stuff. Only suggestion is that your stainless be marine grade.
>>
>> 73,
>> Barry
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 11:50:58 -0700
> From: rv6amark <rv6amark at yahoo.com>
> To: John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net>, Bob McGraw K4TAX
> <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
> Message-ID: <mailman.6614.1572722510.13236.elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Re: "Rohn tower hardware is hot dipped galvanized steel.? I'd take their knowledge over any "tower guy" or any other person for that matter."Exactly!? The science of materials and their proper manufacturing and use is far too complex to be summed up in an email or by statements like, "Material X is to brittle to be used for use in Y."? Run away from anyone who says it.? There are thousands of variations in steels that can be processed in thousands of variations, all of which affect the properties of the final product.? Making these decisions correctly so the final product works correctly is what engineering is all about.??In the words of Jim, K9YC in response to a similar issue:??"Science is NOT decided by majority vote, nor is it decided by opinion."Mark,??KE6BB??
> null
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 11:50:58 -0700
> From: rv6amark <rv6amark at yahoo.com>
> To: John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net>, Bob McGraw K4TAX
> <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
> Message-ID: <mailman.6615.1572722510.13236.elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Re: "Rohn tower hardware is hot dipped galvanized steel.? I'd take their knowledge over any "tower guy" or any other person for that matter."Exactly!? The science of materials and their proper manufacturing and use is far too complex to be summed up in an email or by statements like, "Material X is to brittle to be used for use in Y."? Run away from anyone who says it.? There are thousands of variations in steels that can be processed in thousands of variations, all of which affect the properties of the final product.? Making these decisions correctly so the final product works correctly is what engineering is all about.??In the words of Jim, K9YC in response to a similar issue:??"Science is NOT decided by majority vote, nor is it decided by opinion."Mark,??KE6BB??
> null
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 16:12:04 -0300
> From: Mike Harris <mike.harris at horizon.co.fk>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for
> All
> Message-ID: <788cc2dc-ef75-e36d-310e-ee783994e7bc at horizon.co.fk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Just remember to wire the turnbuckle after tensioning otherwise a nice
> free turning item will tend to unwind.
>
> There are web sites that illustrate various options.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike VP8NO
>
>> On 02/11/2019 12:28, Richard wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>> From: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All
>>> Date: November 2, 2019 at 11:25:17 AM EDT
>>> To: Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com>
>>>
>>> These ropes are more accurately anti-droop cords on a long-boom yagi.
>>>
>>> I am in central Florida, nowhere near salt water, temperatures nominally 95F to 40F.
>>>
>>> I AM using stainless turnbuckles: "stainless steel/stainless steel? means both the body and the screws are stainless steel.
>>>
>>> These turnbuckles are recommended by Justin Johnson of InnovAntennas for his antennas.
>>>
>>> The two answers I like best so far are Permatex anti-seize and John Deere corn head grease. Any more?
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:56 AM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com <mailto:marklgoldberg at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Richard:
>>>>
>>>> If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickel anti-seize on stainless hardware, even in Aluminum.
>>>> What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your temperature extremes?
>>>> I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is not a big issue.
>>>>
>>>> John:
>>>>
>>>> What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the load?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>> W7MLG
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net <mailto:jstengrevics at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>> I would not use stainless.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>> WA1EAZ
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net <mailto:FlatHat at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 12:18:07 -0700
> From: Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Transceivers vs operators
> Message-ID: <a59f15c1-5312-5b87-db0b-be7c2f5df500 at foothill.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> "Your mileage may vary" and in my case it does and I respectfully
> disagree.? A number of years ago, I had inherited a completely stock
> Hallicrafters SX-28 [with the big bass reflex speaker] from an SK estate
> and decided to do a CW NAQP a la mid 50's when I was a teenager and new
> ham.? It was to be an SOSB entry, I had one ARC-5 left in the basement
> on 40.? Caps were a little dry in the power supply but took the
> reforming moderately well.? It was ungodly hard, my rate was maybe 5/hr
> and I packed it in after a couple of hours.? Skill matters, but so does
> the rig ... a lot! [:-)
>
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> KN6DGW 1953, K6DGW 5 months later, Extra in 56 after I had the required
> 2 yr on-air service.
>
>> On 11/1/2019 9:31 PM, Jim Danehy wrote:
>> I read about all of the specs in the rigs
>> I have been operating for 67 years.
>> I got used to radios from the 1950s.
>> My K3 has every option you can buy. Sub receiver and filters galore.
>>
>> I rarely use the narrow filters. I have a ?software? defined brain. It is the best filter you can have. If you practice long enough you can do a lot of filtering in your head (brain).
>>
>> I am primarily a CW operator. I can copy up to 50 wpm too. Solid copy fades above that speed. The brain is what allows you to decode CW at those speeds. Done in various amounts of QRM/QRN. My K3 can?t decode at QRQ with QRN/QRM !
>>
>> Unfortunately you can tune the bands and not hear a CW signal. Hit the FT 8 QRG and there are stations.
>>
>> I can read a book / Newspaper and listen to a 45 wpm CW signal. I hear CW Contesters but they use keyboards to send CW. They can copy calls but don?t ask them a question at QRQ speed. Some can copy but not many.
>>
>> A transceiver is not the most critical element in a station. It is the brain. You can?t upgrade brains.
>>
>> My brain operates at a very fast speed too.
>> When it becomes a reflex it is like human speech. It is after all just a different sound. That takes years to acquire
>>
>> Just a different perspective. It is almost 70 years of experience too.
>>
>> I own a K2, K3, KX2 and KX3. My DXCC TOTAL is 370. I have not used a beam in the last 30 years.
>>
>> It?s the operator ! !
>>
>> Jim
>> W9VNE/VA3VNE
>>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 24
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 19:19:32 +0000 (UTC)
> From: k7sss at aol.com
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] (OT) Ca Fires
> Message-ID: <467276446.201695.1572722372227 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> ? Hi,
>
> Just wondering how the CA fires are affecting Elecraft?
> Jim H.k7sss at aol.com
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