From breedenwb at gmail.com  Fri Nov  1 00:34:48 2019
From: breedenwb at gmail.com (Bill Breeden)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 23:34:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 model v. K3S for strong nearby signal rejection.
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I asked a similar question at the Elecraft K4 Forum at the Huntsville 
Hamfest this year and came away with the impression that the K4HD would 
be required to meet or exceed the performance of the K3/K3s in this regard.

Since Eric, Wa6HHQ presented the forum and answered my question, he can 
correct me if I came away with the wrong impression.

73,

Bill - NA5DX


On 10/31/2019 9:58 PM, Eric Norris wrote:
> This doesn't answer my question.  Is the K4HD required to provide nearby
> signal  blocking equal to or better than the K3s?  There is no statement
> like this in the FAQ, nor any technical specs.  I'm sure Elecraft has run
> these tests, and I hope they'll share them, or at least give us some idea
> of the relative performance of the various K4 models compared to the K3S as
> regards to nearby signal rejection.
>
> 73 Eric WD6DBM
>
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 3:47 PM Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
>
>> Read the FAQ. The K4HD is a K4D with a superheat front end with roofing
>> filters added in front of the ADCs. Like adding a K3 in front of the SDR.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 31, 2019, at 6:12 PM, Tox <scott.small at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?K4hd (is a k4(d?) With additional filters)
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 2:52 PM eric norris via Elecraft <
>>>> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Can somebody tell me which of the K4 models will produce better blocking
>>>> of extremely strong (S9+20 to S9+40) nearby in frequency signals than a
>>>> K3S?  Is this blocking gain compression?  I'm trying to plan a future
>>>> station upgrade and I have ham neighbors.
>>>> 73. Eric WD6DBM
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>
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From pubx1 at af2z.net  Fri Nov  1 02:19:07 2019
From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 02:19:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 model v. K3S for strong nearby signal rejection.
In-Reply-To: <f71e0520-782c-a12f-0ffe-55cc8b75e687@gmail.com>
References: <CADkB6UrNw0MS_2d1AwVrS+W23-vhwYa6Ba9Q_JBNJa8bDmNb-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<55E1D376-C9DA-48EA-AD5E-E1C61E8A9DC3@widomaker.com>
	<CAJSJeL2odaz5jnqNvphpTY5trKhuKtHC-8ma9QzQ4hx1RN8vOg@mail.gmail.com>
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That is what the K4 FAQ says: K4HD is equivalent to a K3S.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 11/01/19 00:34, Bill Breeden wrote:
> 
> I asked a similar question at the Elecraft K4 Forum at the Huntsville 
> Hamfest this year and came away with the impression that the K4HD would 
> be required to meet or exceed the performance of the K3/K3s in this regard.
> 
> Since Eric, Wa6HHQ presented the forum and answered my question, he can 
> correct me if I came away with the wrong impression.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Bill - NA5DX
> 
> 
> On 10/31/2019 9:58 PM, Eric Norris wrote:
>> This doesn't answer my question.? Is the K4HD required to provide nearby
>> signal? blocking equal to or better than the K3s?? There is no statement
>> like this in the FAQ, nor any technical specs.? I'm sure Elecraft has run
>> these tests, and I hope they'll share them, or at least give us some idea
>> of the relative performance of the various K4 models compared to the 
>> K3S as
>> regards to nearby signal rejection.
>>
>> 73 Eric WD6DBM
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 3:47 PM Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Read the FAQ. The K4HD is a K4D with a superheat front end with roofing
>>> filters added in front of the ADCs. Like adding a K3 in front of the 
>>> SDR.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> ...nr4c. bill
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Oct 31, 2019, at 6:12 PM, Tox <scott.small at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?K4hd (is a k4(d?) With additional filters)
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 2:52 PM eric norris via Elecraft <
>>>>> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Can somebody tell me which of the K4 models will produce better 
>>>>> blocking
>>>>> of extremely strong (S9+20 to S9+40) nearby in frequency signals 
>>>>> than a
>>>>> K3S?? Is this blocking gain compression?? I'm trying to plan a future
>>>>> station upgrade and I have ham neighbors.
>>>>> 73. Eric WD6DBM
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>
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From indians at xsmail.com  Fri Nov  1 06:20:48 2019
From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 03:20:48 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 model v. K3S for strong nearby signal rejection.
In-Reply-To: <CAJSJeL2odaz5jnqNvphpTY5trKhuKtHC-8ma9QzQ4hx1RN8vOg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <750667396.25712.1572558718041@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CADkB6UrNw0MS_2d1AwVrS+W23-vhwYa6Ba9Q_JBNJa8bDmNb-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<55E1D376-C9DA-48EA-AD5E-E1C61E8A9DC3@widomaker.com>
	<CAJSJeL2odaz5jnqNvphpTY5trKhuKtHC-8ma9QzQ4hx1RN8vOg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1572603648278-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Dear Eric,

there is no reason to expect far better results from K4HD compare to K3S as
it is quite similar FE design in that matter.
K4HD has just superhet module w/xtals roofing filters added to standard
direct sampling K4/K4D radio.
K3S has more filters slots available...

So the results should be adequate as Wayne and Eric several times expressed
already.

2c,

Petr



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From btippett at alum.mit.edu  Fri Nov  1 09:04:14 2019
From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 06:04:14 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 model v. K3S for strong nearby signal rejection.
In-Reply-To: <1572603648278-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <750667396.25712.1572558718041@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CADkB6UrNw0MS_2d1AwVrS+W23-vhwYa6Ba9Q_JBNJa8bDmNb-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<55E1D376-C9DA-48EA-AD5E-E1C61E8A9DC3@widomaker.com>
	<CAJSJeL2odaz5jnqNvphpTY5trKhuKtHC-8ma9QzQ4hx1RN8vOg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1572603648278-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Does anyone exactly what BW the filters are in the K4HD?  



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From john at kk9a.com  Fri Nov  1 09:20:05 2019
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 08:20:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 model v. K3S for strong nearby signal rejection.
Message-ID: <20191101082005.Horde.h6QmcTjHyMX8dNLZuP3Bd29@www11.qth.com>

I use most of my K3S roofing filter slots, many slots are in the K4HD?  
  I'm sorry to see that the K3S will become silent key, it has been a  
perfect radio for my portable and home contest operations.

John KK9A


Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS wrote:

Dear Eric,

there is no reason to expect far better results from K4HD compare to K3S as
it is quite similar FE design in that matter.
K4HD has just superhet module w/xtals roofing filters added to standard
direct sampling K4/K4D radio.
K3S has more filters slots available...

So the results should be adequate as Wayne and Eric several times expressed
already.

2c,

Petr


From lists at subich.com  Fri Nov  1 09:34:15 2019
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 09:34:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 model v. K3S for strong nearby signal rejection.
In-Reply-To: <1572613454910-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <750667396.25712.1572558718041@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CADkB6UrNw0MS_2d1AwVrS+W23-vhwYa6Ba9Q_JBNJa8bDmNb-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<55E1D376-C9DA-48EA-AD5E-E1C61E8A9DC3@widomaker.com>
	<CAJSJeL2odaz5jnqNvphpTY5trKhuKtHC-8ma9QzQ4hx1RN8vOg@mail.gmail.com>
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Per a previous posting by Wayne ... the same filters (2.7 KHz and 500
Hz) as the K3/K3s.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2019-11-01 9:04 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:
> Does anyone exactly what BW the filters are in the K4HD?
> 
> 
> 



From lists at subich.com  Fri Nov  1 09:36:05 2019
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 09:36:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 model v. K3S for strong nearby signal rejection.
In-Reply-To: <20191101082005.Horde.h6QmcTjHyMX8dNLZuP3Bd29@www11.qth.com>
References: <20191101082005.Horde.h6QmcTjHyMX8dNLZuP3Bd29@www11.qth.com>
Message-ID: <0893c4b7-9828-5333-9acd-f8d9587ddcbd@subich.com>


On 2019-11-01 9:20 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
 > I use most of my K3S roofing filter slots, many slots are in the K4HD?

I believe Wayne indicated there were three slots.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2019-11-01 9:20 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
> I use most of my K3S roofing filter slots, many slots are in the K4HD? 
>  ?I'm sorry to see that the K3S will become silent key, it has been a 
> perfect radio for my portable and home contest operations.
> 
> John KK9A
> 



From indians at xsmail.com  Fri Nov  1 11:47:20 2019
From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 08:47:20 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 model v. K3S for strong nearby signal rejection.
In-Reply-To: <0893c4b7-9828-5333-9acd-f8d9587ddcbd@subich.com>
References: <750667396.25712.1572558718041@mail.yahoo.com>
	<20191101082005.Horde.h6QmcTjHyMX8dNLZuP3Bd29@www11.qth.com>
	<0893c4b7-9828-5333-9acd-f8d9587ddcbd@subich.com>
Message-ID: <1572623240438-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Each K4HD superhet receive section includes two crystal filters: one SSB/data
bandwidth, one CW bandwidth.

There are 5 filter positions per K3S and per KRX3A...

73 - Petr




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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Nov  1 11:48:57 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 10:48:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 model v. K3S for strong nearby signal rejection.
In-Reply-To: <750667396.25712.1572558718041@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <750667396.25712.1572558718041.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<750667396.25712.1572558718041@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a7ed11ec-0c44-709d-09e3-f072902a3fa5@blomand.net>

We used K3S radios at a Field Day site.? Operated 2 radios on the same 
band with antennas less than 50 yards apart.? No issues. Just be sure 
you use the ATTN and set the RF Gain correctly <<<Very important,? and 
make sure the AGC parameters are not contributing to your issue.? Also, 
don't use the NB and maybe only a little bit of NR.? The radio is really 
bullet proof in these regards.

As to the K4 the K4HD model is the top end for selectivity.

Now if your ham neighbor has a radio that is producing crap, {which many 
are, See the Sherwood article in Nov QST}? wide band noise, and 
splatter, nothing but the power switch will cure the issue as the 
objectionable signal is in the Pass Band of the receiver.?? Just 
remember, no amount of filtering or selectivity will eliminate a signal 
in the passband.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 10/31/2019 4:51 PM, eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
> Can somebody tell me which of the K4 models will produce better blocking of extremely strong (S9+20 to S9+40) nearby in frequency signals than a K3S?? Is this blocking gain compression?? I'm trying to plan a future station upgrade and I have ham neighbors.
> 73. Eric WD6DBM
>


From btippett at alum.mit.edu  Fri Nov  1 11:56:49 2019
From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 08:56:49 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 model v. K3S for strong nearby signal rejection.
In-Reply-To: <8ec6a4ff-6b0a-109f-f754-99c6edb35bb4@subich.com>
References: <750667396.25712.1572558718041@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CADkB6UrNw0MS_2d1AwVrS+W23-vhwYa6Ba9Q_JBNJa8bDmNb-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<55E1D376-C9DA-48EA-AD5E-E1C61E8A9DC3@widomaker.com>
	<CAJSJeL2odaz5jnqNvphpTY5trKhuKtHC-8ma9QzQ4hx1RN8vOg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1572603648278-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1572613454910-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<8ec6a4ff-6b0a-109f-f754-99c6edb35bb4@subich.com>
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Thanks Joe!  From those BWs I assume both are 5-poles.

BTW has anyone ever compared the old 5-pole 200 to the newer 6-pole? 

73,  Bill  W4ZV



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From w2kj at bellsouth.net  Fri Nov  1 14:39:22 2019
From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joseph Trombino, Jr)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 14:39:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] TEST
References: <F03FB538-79B1-4FF6-BF0B-188DE17C989D.ref@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <F03FB538-79B1-4FF6-BF0B-188DE17C989D@bellsouth.net>

TEST

			73, Joe W2KJ

From nv4c.ian at gmail.com  Fri Nov  1 14:58:35 2019
From: nv4c.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 14:58:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] TEST
In-Reply-To: <F03FB538-79B1-4FF6-BF0B-188DE17C989D@bellsouth.net>
References: <F03FB538-79B1-4FF6-BF0B-188DE17C989D.ref@bellsouth.net>
	<F03FB538-79B1-4FF6-BF0B-188DE17C989D@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <CAN1Md6Fx9qsamvdxut93Lb6nM0uBc8+gUNbk-3zmmGmOHcT==A@mail.gmail.com>

Joe,

Congratulations! You passed! :-)

73 de,

Ian, NV4C

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019, 2:39 PM Joseph Trombino, Jr <w2kj at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> TEST
>
>                         73, Joe W2KJ
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From rlvz at aol.com  Fri Nov  1 15:26:05 2019
From: rlvz at aol.com (RVZ)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 19:26:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 nearby signal blocking performance
References: <322834785.4328.1572636365181.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <322834785.4328.1572636365181@mail.yahoo.com>

I'd be very sad if the K4 doesn't meet the close in signal performance of a K3S with a roofing filter.? And even more sad if the K4HD doesn't meet the close in performance of a FTDX101D which is less money.
73, K9OM



In a message dated 10/31/2019 11:45:00 PM Central Standard Time, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net writes:

I asked a similar question at the Elecraft K4 Forum at the HuntsvilleHamfest this year and came away with the impression that the K4HD wouldbe required to meet or exceed the performance of the K3/K3s in this regard.
Since Eric, Wa6HHQ presented the forum and answered my question, he cancorrect me if I came away with the wrong impression.
73,
Bill - NA5DX


From lists at subich.com  Fri Nov  1 15:33:43 2019
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 15:33:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 model v. K3S for strong nearby signal rejection.
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	<55E1D376-C9DA-48EA-AD5E-E1C61E8A9DC3@widomaker.com>
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	<1572623809133-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
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On 2019-11-01 11:56 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:
> Thanks Joe!  From those BWs I assume both are 5-poles.

I can't recall seeing any comment of 5 pole vs 6 pole vs 8 pole.
Wayne did say that any of the K3/K3s filters would work (and I
assume, be available as options).

I don't see any value in "narrow" versions of the standard bandwidths
as the ADC being used in the K4 will have several dB of dynamic range
above and beyond that of the K3/K3S.  As a SWAG - if there are indeed
three slots - I would consider 6 KHz - data modes (JT65/FT8/FT4/etc.),
AM and ESSB,  2.8 KHz - SSB and general purpose RTTY, and 500 Hz -
CW and high performance RTTY.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV

From Gary at ka1j.com  Fri Nov  1 15:55:33 2019
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 15:55:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Suggestion for the K4
Message-ID: <5DBC8DB5.9699.49DB59@Gary.ka1j.com>

Something I'd mentioned earlier that would 
be good for the K3 will also apply on the 
K4 as well: Operating permissions per 
band. Perhaps an option for license class 
operating permissions. Select to engage 
the option for General and you will always 
be 100% operating properly as a General. 
An Extra uses the radio, select Extra and 
forget it. 

For example, the band segments contain 
different frequencies in the US for 
different classes/modes of license. To 
have a user selectable option in config to 
prevent a General from Tx in an extra 
segment would be an asset. 
Likewise this would prevent an Extra from 
inadvertently operating a mode outside 
their permission.
Another reason if you allow a Technician 
operator to use your radio say at FD, they 
might be unused to your radio and this 
would prevent them from going outside 
their permissions.

To be able to select per band where you 
are allowed to transmit & the mode 
permissions would allow anyone in the 
world to configure their K4 properly to 
meet their country's band plan.

73,

Gary
KA1J

From ebasilier at cox.net  Fri Nov  1 16:09:40 2019
From: ebasilier at cox.net (ebasilier at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 13:09:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 model v. K3S for strong nearby signal rejection.
In-Reply-To: <10fd5205-679d-9c95-08ab-69be4aa554b4@subich.com>
References: <750667396.25712.1572558718041@mail.yahoo.com>	<CADkB6UrNw0MS_2d1AwVrS+W23-vhwYa6Ba9Q_JBNJa8bDmNb-w@mail.gmail.com>	<55E1D376-C9DA-48EA-AD5E-E1C61E8A9DC3@widomaker.com>	<CAJSJeL2odaz5jnqNvphpTY5trKhuKtHC-8ma9QzQ4hx1RN8vOg@mail.gmail.com>	<1572603648278-0.post@n2.nabble.com>	<1572613454910-0.post@n2.nabble.com>	<8ec6a4ff-6b0a-109f-f754-99c6edb35bb4@subich.com>	<1572623809133-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <c13001d590f0$4c3d1540$e4b73fc0$@cox.net>

I believe that using a roofing filter that is about as narrow as the overall
receive bandwidth can have a detrimental effect on ssb voice quality as well
as on digital mode reception. Will the K4HD have a single button way to
remove the superhet part so that receive quality can be easily compared
without change of overall bandwidth and volume?

73, Erik K7TV

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From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2019 12:34 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 model v. K3S for strong nearby signal rejection.



On 2019-11-01 11:56 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:
> Thanks Joe!  From those BWs I assume both are 5-poles.

I can't recall seeing any comment of 5 pole vs 6 pole vs 8 pole.
Wayne did say that any of the K3/K3s filters would work (and I assume, be
available as options).

I don't see any value in "narrow" versions of the standard bandwidths as the
ADC being used in the K4 will have several dB of dynamic range above and
beyond that of the K3/K3S.  As a SWAG - if there are indeed three slots - I
would consider 6 KHz - data modes (JT65/FT8/FT4/etc.), AM and ESSB,  2.8 KHz
- SSB and general purpose RTTY, and 500 Hz - CW and high performance RTTY.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV
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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Fri Nov  1 16:36:54 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 16:36:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 model v. K3S for strong nearby signal rejection.
In-Reply-To: <c13001d590f0$4c3d1540$e4b73fc0$@cox.net>
References: <750667396.25712.1572558718041@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CADkB6UrNw0MS_2d1AwVrS+W23-vhwYa6Ba9Q_JBNJa8bDmNb-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<55E1D376-C9DA-48EA-AD5E-E1C61E8A9DC3@widomaker.com>
	<CAJSJeL2odaz5jnqNvphpTY5trKhuKtHC-8ma9QzQ4hx1RN8vOg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1572603648278-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1572613454910-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<8ec6a4ff-6b0a-109f-f754-99c6edb35bb4@subich.com>
	<1572623809133-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<10fd5205-679d-9c95-08ab-69be4aa554b4@subich.com>
	<c13001d590f0$4c3d1540$e4b73fc0$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <3A028EBD-9042-46B2-BDD5-06F71BFFE294@gmail.com>

The way it has been described, you only need to turn it on when you need it ? so you can run the radio as a straight SDR or a hybrid SDR, switchable on the fly.

Whether or not doing so changes the volume ? ???  The bandwidth (and audio levels) is set by the SDR processes in both cases, so it would be a reasonable assumption that it wouldn?t change, and the hybrid module would switch in the appropriate roofing filter automatically.

Wild guesses, of course.  But not unreasonable  :-)

Grant NQ5T



> On Nov 1, 2019, at 4:09 PM, <ebasilier at cox.net> <ebasilier at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> I believe that using a roofing filter that is about as narrow as the overall
> receive bandwidth can have a detrimental effect on ssb voice quality as well
> as on digital mode reception. Will the K4HD have a single button way to
> remove the superhet part so that receive quality can be easily compared
> without change of overall bandwidth and volume?
> 
> 7

From turnbull at net1.ie  Fri Nov  1 17:22:33 2019
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 21:22:33 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Suggestion for the K4
In-Reply-To: <5DBC8DB5.9699.49DB59@Gary.ka1j.com>
References: <5DBC8DB5.9699.49DB59@Gary.ka1j.com>
Message-ID: <1A9192997EFC4975BED6884038EBB30C@DougTPC>

Gary,
    This might be fine for the USA market but might well be problematic and
complicating for overseas markets.    Maybe the US market is so large this
does not matter but I doubt this.    What is one man's improvement could be
another's curse.     The user interface needs to be kept straightforward and
thus not overly complex.

    Fred Cady, KE7X is not with us these days to give a second and perhaps
more explanatory manual for all of us to reference.

                      73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Smith
Sent: 01 November 2019 19:56
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Suggestion for the K4

Something I'd mentioned earlier that would 
be good for the K3 will also apply on the 
K4 as well: Operating permissions per 
band. Perhaps an option for license class 
operating permissions. Select to engage 
the option for General and you will always 
be 100% operating properly as a General. 
An Extra uses the radio, select Extra and 
forget it. 

For example, the band segments contain 
different frequencies in the US for 
different classes/modes of license. To 
have a user selectable option in config to 
prevent a General from Tx in an extra 
segment would be an asset. 
Likewise this would prevent an Extra from 
inadvertently operating a mode outside 
their permission.
Another reason if you allow a Technician 
operator to use your radio say at FD, they 
might be unused to your radio and this 
would prevent them from going outside 
their permissions.

To be able to select per band where you 
are allowed to transmit & the mode 
permissions would allow anyone in the 
world to configure their K4 properly to 
meet their country's band plan.

73,

Gary
KA1J
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From Andy at rickham.net  Fri Nov  1 17:32:06 2019
From: Andy at rickham.net (Andy McMullin)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 21:32:06 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Suggestion for the K4
In-Reply-To: <1A9192997EFC4975BED6884038EBB30C@DougTPC>
References: <5DBC8DB5.9699.49DB59@Gary.ka1j.com>
	<1A9192997EFC4975BED6884038EBB30C@DougTPC>
Message-ID: <2FCE8A2D-9ACD-412C-84E9-92BE9AB90AC8@rickham.net>

You?re right Doug. Not everyone is in America, and not everyone has to follow American rules, regulations or licenses. There is a world outside the states.

Keep it simple ?..

Regards
Andy, G8TQH


> On 1 Nov 2019, at 21:22, Doug Turnbull <turnbull at net1.ie> wrote:
> 
> Gary,
>    This might be fine for the USA market but might well be problematic and
> complicating for overseas markets.    Maybe the US market is so large this
> does not matter but I doubt this.    What is one man's improvement could be
> another's curse.     The user interface needs to be kept straightforward and
> thus not overly complex.
> 
>    Fred Cady, KE7X is not with us these days to give a second and perhaps
> more explanatory manual for all of us to reference.
> 
>                      73 Doug EI2CN
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Smith
> Sent: 01 November 2019 19:56
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Suggestion for the K4
> 
> Something I'd mentioned earlier that would 
> be good for the K3 will also apply on the 
> K4 as well: Operating permissions per 
> band. Perhaps an option for license class 
> operating permissions. Select to engage 
> the option for General and you will always 
> be 100% operating properly as a General. 
> An Extra uses the radio, select Extra and 
> forget it. 
> 
> For example, the band segments contain 
> different frequencies in the US for 
> different classes/modes of license. To 
> have a user selectable option in config to 
> prevent a General from Tx in an extra 
> segment would be an asset. 
> Likewise this would prevent an Extra from 
> inadvertently operating a mode outside 
> their permission.
> Another reason if you allow a Technician 
> operator to use your radio say at FD, they 
> might be unused to your radio and this 
> would prevent them from going outside 
> their permissions.
> 
> To be able to select per band where you 
> are allowed to transmit & the mode 
> permissions would allow anyone in the 
> world to configure their K4 properly to 
> meet their country's band plan.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Gary
> KA1J
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From k4to.dave at gmail.com  Fri Nov  1 20:27:47 2019
From: k4to.dave at gmail.com (Dave Sublette)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 20:27:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s AM filter
Message-ID: <CAKynJKkxZgWS_TxXoSqpJY90wdEjkEcJvfR_FWSLKSJoQ-NiYg@mail.gmail.com>

Good evening all,

I installed the 6 KHz filter into FL1 on the main receiver today.  I did
not put one in the sub receiver.  To do this, I had to move four filters
from slots 1 thru 4 to slots 2 thru 5 in both receivers. So now I have 6
KHz in FL1 in the main Rx, no filter in FL1 in the sub receiver and FL2
thru FL5 match widths in the main and sub receivers.  I made the
appropriate entries in the gain and setup menus.  Checking them on several
bands shows that all appears to be in order.

However, in the AM mode I can only widen the passband to 5.0 KHz.  Is this
normal operation, or have I missed something?

Thanks as always for your advice.

Dave, K4TO

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Nov  1 20:36:32 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 20:36:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s AM filter
In-Reply-To: <CAKynJKkxZgWS_TxXoSqpJY90wdEjkEcJvfR_FWSLKSJoQ-NiYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKynJKkxZgWS_TxXoSqpJY90wdEjkEcJvfR_FWSLKSJoQ-NiYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <81610fad-cd50-5b52-1a8d-5bfa31a6a8c3@embarqmail.com>

Dave,

That is not a problem, but a result of AM modulation.

The filters work at the IF passband.
The 5kHz is the audio bandwidth.
For an AM signal, the IF bandwidth must be twice the audio bandwidth - 
there are 2 sidebands, and the audio width is only equal to the width of 
one sideband.

You could try synchronous AM receive.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/1/2019 8:27 PM, Dave Sublette wrote:
> Good evening all,
> 
> I installed the 6 KHz filter into FL1 on the main receiver today.  I did
> not put one in the sub receiver.  To do this, I had to move four filters
> from slots 1 thru 4 to slots 2 thru 5 in both receivers. So now I have 6
> KHz in FL1 in the main Rx, no filter in FL1 in the sub receiver and FL2
> thru FL5 match widths in the main and sub receivers.  I made the
> appropriate entries in the gain and setup menus.  Checking them on several
> bands shows that all appears to be in order.
> 
> However, in the AM mode I can only widen the passband to 5.0 KHz.  Is this
> normal operation, or have I missed something?
> 

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Nov  1 20:54:31 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 19:54:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s AM filter
In-Reply-To: <81610fad-cd50-5b52-1a8d-5bfa31a6a8c3@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAKynJKkxZgWS_TxXoSqpJY90wdEjkEcJvfR_FWSLKSJoQ-NiYg@mail.gmail.com>
	<81610fad-cd50-5b52-1a8d-5bfa31a6a8c3@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f2bde75-83d9-c068-6536-7525e60c2c97@blomand.net>

Dave et al:

I have the 6.0 kHz AM filter in my radio.? Yes the DSP BW goes to 5 
kHz.?? However in using the P3 I find the total bandwidth as shown to be 
about 8 kHz or +/- 4 kHz of center frequency.???? In synchronous AM you 
will have 4 kHz BW either USB or LSB depending the Shift setting.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 11/1/2019 7:36 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Dave,
>
> That is not a problem, but a result of AM modulation.
>
> The filters work at the IF passband.
> The 5kHz is the audio bandwidth.
> For an AM signal, the IF bandwidth must be twice the audio bandwidth - 
> there are 2 sidebands, and the audio width is only equal to the width 
> of one sideband.
>
> You could try synchronous AM receive.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 11/1/2019 8:27 PM, Dave Sublette wrote:
>> Good evening all,
>>
>> I installed the 6 KHz filter into FL1 on the main receiver today.? I did
>> not put one in the sub receiver.? To do this, I had to move four filters
>> from slots 1 thru 4 to slots 2 thru 5 in both receivers. So now I have 6
>> KHz in FL1 in the main Rx, no filter in FL1 in the sub receiver and FL2
>> thru FL5 match widths in the main and sub receivers.? I made the
>> appropriate entries in the gain and setup menus.? Checking them on 
>> several
>> bands shows that all appears to be in order.
>>
>> However, in the AM mode I can only widen the passband to 5.0 KHz.? Is 
>> this
>> normal operation, or have I missed something?
>>
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From k9ztv at socket.net  Fri Nov  1 21:16:37 2019
From: k9ztv at socket.net (K9ZTV)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 20:16:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 model v. K3S for strong nearby signal rejection.
In-Reply-To: <a7ed11ec-0c44-709d-09e3-f072902a3fa5@blomand.net>
References: <750667396.25712.1572558718041.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<750667396.25712.1572558718041@mail.yahoo.com>
	<a7ed11ec-0c44-709d-09e3-f072902a3fa5@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <B02908E8-3E02-462E-87D2-297108C61342@socket.net>

Notice he said 50 YARDS, not feet.

73,

Kent  K9ZTV

> On Nov 1, 2019, at 10:48 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> 
> We used K3S radios at a Field Day site.  Operated 2 radios on the same band with antennas less than 50 yards apart. 


From ka9p at aol.com  Fri Nov  1 22:48:17 2019
From: ka9p at aol.com (Scott McDonald)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 02:48:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Low PowerOut Troubleshooting HInt?
References: <1552486671.76216.1572662897640.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1552486671.76216.1572662897640@mail.yahoo.com>

I'd appreciate some thoughts on the following.?Setting up for SS tonight, I measured K3 (SN474, all mods done) low power output all bands,?CW and SSB, about 400 milliwatts before KPA3 kicks in, then increasing power to about 8 or 9 watts at 100 watt setting.? Tuner would function fine and tune at 5 watts, but post tune behaved the same way.?Put the radio on the bench, and saw the same behavior, all bands.?At the bench, before removing the cover, I administered?one very firm diagnostic swat, and everything returned to normal and has behaved itself for about 30 minutes.?Any chance?that behavior is?indicative of a particular connector/relay or other issue I should take a look at, as I can't replicate the problem now??Thanks for any thoughts.?Scott ka9p

From rwnewbould at comcast.net  Fri Nov  1 23:03:43 2019
From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 23:03:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Compression Value
Message-ID: <e7dd1c68-75e0-3d80-d52a-e60b0d55a73b@comcast.net>

Are the K3S compression values 0 - 40 equal to DB or are they just 
arbitrary numbers?

Just curious what those numbers related to if anything. Obviously I 
realize they relate to how much compression. LOL

Thanks

Rich

K3RWN


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Nov  1 23:08:33 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 22:08:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Compression Value
In-Reply-To: <e7dd1c68-75e0-3d80-d52a-e60b0d55a73b@comcast.net>
References: <e7dd1c68-75e0-3d80-d52a-e60b0d55a73b@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CC0367E9-014F-4D4A-A09D-397D7F63898A@blomand.net>

I find them to be relative.  I adjust for about 10dB indicated. The CMP value is 15 or so. 

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 1, 2019, at 10:03 PM, Rich <rwnewbould at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Are the K3S compression values 0 - 40 equal to DB or are they just arbitrary numbers?
> 
> Just curious what those numbers related to if anything. Obviously I realize they relate to how much compression. LOL
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Rich
> 
> K3RWN
> 
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Fri Nov  1 23:18:22 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 23:18:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Compression Value
In-Reply-To: <e7dd1c68-75e0-3d80-d52a-e60b0d55a73b@comcast.net>
References: <e7dd1c68-75e0-3d80-d52a-e60b0d55a73b@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <38101E11-0FE8-4C30-9ABF-BDC8C759C696@widomaker.com>

I believe they are just reference numbers 

However the Cmp meter is in dB. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Nov 1, 2019, at 11:05 PM, Rich <rwnewbould at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Are the K3S compression values 0 - 40 equal to DB or are they just arbitrary numbers?
> 
> Just curious what those numbers related to if anything. Obviously I realize they relate to how much compression. LOL
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Rich
> 
> K3RWN
> 
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From rwnewbould at comcast.net  Fri Nov  1 23:47:12 2019
From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 23:47:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Compression Value
In-Reply-To: <38101E11-0FE8-4C30-9ABF-BDC8C759C696@widomaker.com>
References: <e7dd1c68-75e0-3d80-d52a-e60b0d55a73b@comcast.net>
	<38101E11-0FE8-4C30-9ABF-BDC8C759C696@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <b559caeb-1c0a-7f1e-ad98-80cb886047fc@comcast.net>

Thanks, all for the clarification.?? Great group of people on this list

Rich

On 11/1/2019 23:18 PM, Nr4c wrote:
> I believe they are just reference numbers
>
> However the Cmp meter is in dB.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
>> On Nov 1, 2019, at 11:05 PM, Rich <rwnewbould at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?Are the K3S compression values 0 - 40 equal to DB or are they just arbitrary numbers?
>>
>> Just curious what those numbers related to if anything. Obviously I realize they relate to how much compression. LOL
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Rich
>>
>> K3RWN
>>
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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Fri Nov  1 23:49:53 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 23:49:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Low PowerOut Troubleshooting HInt?
In-Reply-To: <1552486671.76216.1572662897640@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1552486671.76216.1572662897640.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1552486671.76216.1572662897640@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D9DDD7EA-BCDA-4823-9A1D-CECF411B22F0@gmail.com>

Do you have the FP board gold pins installed?

As a Navy midshipman I spent the summer of 1965 on the USS J C Owens (DD-776) in the Med.  One of the radar units had a large chalked circle on the side of an equipment cabinet with the verbiage ?If I don?t work hit me here?.  Observed this repair technique used once.  Worked well :-)

Grant NQ5T

> On Nov 1, 2019, at 10:48 PM, Scott McDonald via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> I'd appreciate some thoughts on the following. Setting up for SS tonight, I measured K3 (SN474, all mods done) low power output all bands, CW and SSB, about 400 milliwatts before KPA3 kicks in, then increasing power to about 8 or 9 watts at 100 watt setting.  Tuner would function fine and tune at 5 watts, but post tune behaved the same way. Put the radio on the bench, and saw the same behavior, all bands. At the bench, before removing the cover, I administered one very firm diagnostic swat, and everything returned to normal and has behaved itself for about 30 minutes. Any chance that behavior is indicative of a particular connector/relay or other issue I should take a look at, as I can't replicate the problem now? Thanks for any thoughts. Scott ka9p


From jsdanehy at gmail.com  Sat Nov  2 00:31:20 2019
From: jsdanehy at gmail.com (Jim Danehy)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 00:31:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Transceivers  vs operators
Message-ID: <16AAA34A-E0A9-450D-B9CE-56CDDB137FC4@gmail.com>

I read about all of the specs in the rigs
I have been operating for 67 years.
I got used to radios from the 1950s.
My K3 has every option you can buy. Sub receiver and filters galore.

I rarely use the narrow filters. I have a ?software? defined brain. It is the best filter you can have. If you practice long enough you can do a lot of filtering in your head (brain). 

I am primarily a CW operator. I can copy up to 50 wpm too. Solid copy fades above that speed. The brain is what allows you to decode CW at those speeds. Done in various amounts of QRM/QRN. My K3 can?t decode at QRQ with QRN/QRM !

Unfortunately you can tune the bands and not hear a CW signal. Hit the FT 8 QRG and there are stations.

I can read a book / Newspaper and listen to a 45 wpm CW signal. I hear CW Contesters but they use keyboards to send CW. They can copy calls but don?t ask them a question at QRQ speed. Some can copy but not many.

A transceiver is not the most critical element in a station. It is the brain. You can?t upgrade brains. 

My brain operates at a very fast speed too.
When it becomes a reflex it is like human speech. It is after all just a different sound. That takes years to acquire 

Just a different perspective. It is almost 70 years of experience too.

I own a K2, K3, KX2 and KX3. My DXCC TOTAL is 370. I have not used a beam in the last 30 years. 

It?s the operator ! !

Jim
W9VNE/VA3VNE 


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From xdavid at cis-broadband.com  Sat Nov  2 00:58:07 2019
From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 21:58:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Transceivers vs operators
In-Reply-To: <16AAA34A-E0A9-450D-B9CE-56CDDB137FC4@gmail.com>
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Aside from the bragging, much of what you said there is true ... but not 
all.? I used to do a lot of CW contesting with a TS-940SAT, and later 
with a 756Pro (first version).? No amount of experience, brain power, or 
riding the RF gain and attenuator could help me copy CW when really loud 
signals 10 or 15 KHz away were desensing the rig to oblivion.? I now 
have a K3 with narrow filters and I have several times run a frequency 
for a long time before realizing there was another 59+10 station just a 
few hundred Hz away ... and the only way I discovered that was when 
stations calling him did so enough off frequency that they hit my passband.

Rigs make a difference, and by the way so do antennas.

73,
Dave? AB7E


On 11/1/2019 9:31 PM, Jim Danehy wrote:
> I read about all of the specs in the rigs
> I have been operating for 67 years.
> I got used to radios from the 1950s.
> My K3 has every option you can buy. Sub receiver and filters galore.
>
> I rarely use the narrow filters. I have a ?software? defined brain. It is the best filter you can have. If you practice long enough you can do a lot of filtering in your head (brain).
>
> I am primarily a CW operator. I can copy up to 50 wpm too. Solid copy fades above that speed. The brain is what allows you to decode CW at those speeds. Done in various amounts of QRM/QRN. My K3 can?t decode at QRQ with QRN/QRM !
>
> Unfortunately you can tune the bands and not hear a CW signal. Hit the FT 8 QRG and there are stations.
>
> I can read a book / Newspaper and listen to a 45 wpm CW signal. I hear CW Contesters but they use keyboards to send CW. They can copy calls but don?t ask them a question at QRQ speed. Some can copy but not many.
>
> A transceiver is not the most critical element in a station. It is the brain. You can?t upgrade brains.
>
> My brain operates at a very fast speed too.
> When it becomes a reflex it is like human speech. It is after all just a different sound. That takes years to acquire
>
> Just a different perspective. It is almost 70 years of experience too.
>
> I own a K2, K3, KX2 and KX3. My DXCC TOTAL is 370. I have not used a beam in the last 30 years.
>
> It?s the operator ! !
>
> Jim
> W9VNE/VA3VNE
>


From hs0zed at gmail.com  Sat Nov  2 03:43:34 2019
From: hs0zed at gmail.com (Martin Sole)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 14:43:34 +0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Transceivers vs operators
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Snipping bits. Some good points.

On 02/11/2019 11:31, Jim Danehy wrote:
> Unfortunately you can tune the bands and not hear a CW signal. Hit the FT 8 QRG and there are stations.
I've pretty much come to detest FT-whatever for the apparent demise of, 
other what I consider more real modes :( I have to have a certain amount 
of faith though that sunspots will help. Even so ZD7 last night on 15 
for a new one so it's not all bad prop, unfortunately a phoney (SSB) 
contact.

> I can read a book / Newspaper and listen to a 45 wpm CW signal. I hear CW Contesters but they use keyboards to send CW. They can copy calls but don?t ask them a question at QRQ speed. Some can copy but not many.
Some personal shame here. I can pretty much contest and work dx, but 
proper cw contacts still scare the bejesus out of me. I refuse to give 
in though, I'm working up to calling CQ more as well, got to be active.
> A transceiver is not the most critical element in a station. It is the brain. You can?t upgrade brains.
I disagree, time, training, commitment and focus do help. That said I 
lack all of these it seems ;)
> My brain operates at a very fast speed too.
> When it becomes a reflex it is like human speech. It is after all just a different sound. That takes years to acquire
At almost 60 I doubt I'll achieve those lofty heights but giving up is 
not an option either.
> Just a different perspective. It is almost 70 years of experience too.
>
> I own a K2, K3, KX2 and KX3. My DXCC TOTAL is 370. I have not used a beam in the last 30 years.
>
> It?s the operator ! !
>
> Jim
> W9VNE/VA3VNE
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  2 08:04:02 2019
From: gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com (eric norris)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 12:04:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 storage temps
References: <1608999701.642122.1572696242270.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1608999701.642122.1572696242270@mail.yahoo.com>

Does anyone know what a safe temperature is for storing--not operating--a KX2, with batteries?? 32F?? 20F?? 10F?? I can't find the answer in the manual, brochure, or FAQs
Thanks and 73, Eric WD6DBM

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From tommy58 at hvc.rr.com  Sat Nov  2 08:13:21 2019
From: tommy58 at hvc.rr.com (Tommy)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 08:13:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 storage temps
In-Reply-To: <1608999701.642122.1572696242270@mail.yahoo.com>
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	<1608999701.642122.1572696242270@mail.yahoo.com>
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Eric,

 ?? Batteries do NOT like cold or excessive heat so I wouldn't store the 
battery in either conditions.

73!

Tom - KB2SMS


On 11/2/19 8:04 AM, eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
> Does anyone know what a safe temperature is for storing--not operating--a KX2, with batteries?? 32F?? 20F?? 10F?? I can't find the answer in the manual, brochure, or FAQs
> Thanks and 73, Eric WD6DBM


From elanzl at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov  2 08:30:44 2019
From: elanzl at sbcglobal.net (Eric Lanzl)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 12:30:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net and time change to Standard time
References: <596092687.214354.1572697844838.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <596092687.214354.1572697844838@mail.yahoo.com>

Just a reminder that with the time changing to standard time the Elecraft SSB net will take place one hour earlier. The time of the net is still 1800Z. Please join us for the net on Sunday. 

Eric WB9JNZ

From FlatHat at comcast.net  Sat Nov  2 10:16:24 2019
From: FlatHat at comcast.net (Richard)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 10:16:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
Message-ID: <4021045D-BF83-4CE6-B498-9B5502C67922@comcast.net>

For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?

Cheers,

Richard Kunc - W4KBX

From jstengrevics at comcast.net  Sat Nov  2 10:26:15 2019
From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 10:26:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
In-Reply-To: <4021045D-BF83-4CE6-B498-9B5502C67922@comcast.net>
References: <4021045D-BF83-4CE6-B498-9B5502C67922@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <F69CFD41-1F81-439D-B735-7116C517BE4F@comcast.net>

I would not use stainless.


John
WA1EAZ



Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Richard Kunc - W4KBX
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From w5jv at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  2 10:51:33 2019
From: w5jv at hotmail.com (Doug Hensley)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 14:51:33 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s SSB Filters Still Available
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR01MB5898454C3B162D934B1F660691930@DM6PR01MB5898.prod.exchangelabs.com>
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Still have 4 Sale:

A matched pair of 2.7 kHZ K3S SSB filters;

$160 ($80 ea).  Shipping is cheap.

QSL: W5JV privately please.

Doug W5JV
K1, K2, K3S








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From marklgoldberg at gmail.com  Sat Nov  2 10:56:14 2019
From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 07:56:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
In-Reply-To: <F69CFD41-1F81-439D-B735-7116C517BE4F@comcast.net>
References: <4021045D-BF83-4CE6-B498-9B5502C67922@comcast.net>
	<F69CFD41-1F81-439D-B735-7116C517BE4F@comcast.net>
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Richard:

If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickle anti-seize on stainless
hardware, even in Aluminum.
What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your
temperature extremes?
I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is
not a big issue.

John:

What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the
load?


73,

Mark
W7MLG


On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net>
wrote:

> I would not use stainless.
>
>
> John
> WA1EAZ
>
> > On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > ?For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys
> ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>
>

From jstengrevics at comcast.net  Sat Nov  2 10:59:48 2019
From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 10:59:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
In-Reply-To: <CAKn+a3uzFGD1B2RhX7b0e=NxzuZ35eonmW1fddybUcXRCUPG8Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4021045D-BF83-4CE6-B498-9B5502C67922@comcast.net>
	<F69CFD41-1F81-439D-B735-7116C517BE4F@comcast.net>
	<CAKn+a3uzFGD1B2RhX7b0e=NxzuZ35eonmW1fddybUcXRCUPG8Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F4B8263C-7A1A-4B6A-965F-966BBB2C6050@comcast.net>

My tower guy says stainless is too brittle.  Use anodized instead.

John
WA1EAZ

> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:56 AM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Richard:
> 
> If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickle anti-seize on stainless
> hardware, even in Aluminum.
> What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your
> temperature extremes?
> I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is
> not a big issue.
> 
> John:
> 
> What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the
> load?
> 
> 
> 73,
> 
> Mark
> W7MLG
> 
> 
> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> 
>> I would not use stainless.
>> 
>> 
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
>> 
>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys
>> ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>> 
>> 
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Nov  2 11:09:01 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 10:09:01 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
In-Reply-To: <F4B8263C-7A1A-4B6A-965F-966BBB2C6050@comcast.net>
References: <4021045D-BF83-4CE6-B498-9B5502C67922@comcast.net>
	<F69CFD41-1F81-439D-B735-7116C517BE4F@comcast.net>
	<CAKn+a3uzFGD1B2RhX7b0e=NxzuZ35eonmW1fddybUcXRCUPG8Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<F4B8263C-7A1A-4B6A-965F-966BBB2C6050@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <92bb99f8-7576-0a34-0363-db31909eea09@blomand.net>

Rohn tower hardware is hot dipped galvanized steel.? I'd take their 
knowledge over any "tower guy" or any other person for that matter.

Remember, your tower and perhaps someones life may depend on your tower 
hardware, use and installation.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 11/2/2019 9:59 AM, John Stengrevics wrote:
> My tower guy says stainless is too brittle.  Use anodized instead.
>
> John
> WA1EAZ
>
>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:56 AM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Richard:
>>
>> If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickle anti-seize on stainless
>> hardware, even in Aluminum.
>> What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your
>> temperature extremes?
>> I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is
>> not a big issue.
>>
>> John:
>>
>> What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the
>> load?
>>
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Mark
>> W7MLG
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I would not use stainless.
>>>
>>>
>>> John
>>> WA1EAZ
>>>
>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys
>>> ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>>>
>>>
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sat Nov  2 11:14:08 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 08:14:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net and time change to Standard time
In-Reply-To: <596092687.214354.1572697844838@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <596092687.214354.1572697844838.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<596092687.214354.1572697844838@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <38949528-8d61-ba14-d4b7-ebee3d974ff0@triconet.org>

If it's still at 1800Z, then it didn't change.? "Standard" time should not be 
used in ham radio.

Wes? N7WS

On 11/2/2019 5:30 AM, Eric Lanzl wrote:
> Just a reminder that with the time changing to standard time the Elecraft SSB net will take place one hour earlier. The time of the net is still 1800Z. Please join us for the net on Sunday.
>
> Eric WB9JNZ


From FlatHat at comcast.net  Sat Nov  2 11:28:18 2019
From: FlatHat at comcast.net (Richard)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 11:28:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd:  Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All
References: <E76336A5-46C5-4833-8EB3-F47581AAD4BB@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <9F435671-106B-423C-BC2A-B4462EEADF20@comcast.net>



> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All
> Date: November 2, 2019 at 11:25:17 AM EDT
> To: Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com>
> 
> These ropes are more accurately anti-droop cords on a long-boom yagi.
> 
> I am in central Florida, nowhere near salt water, temperatures nominally 95F to 40F. 
> 
> I AM using stainless turnbuckles: "stainless steel/stainless steel? means both the body and the screws are stainless steel.
> 
> These turnbuckles are recommended by Justin Johnson of InnovAntennas for his antennas.
> 
> The two answers I like best so far are Permatex anti-seize and John Deere corn head grease. Any more?
> 
> Richard
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:56 AM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com <mailto:marklgoldberg at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Richard:
>> 
>> If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickel anti-seize on stainless hardware, even in Aluminum.
>> What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your temperature extremes?
>> I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is not a big issue.
>> 
>> John:
>> 
>> What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the load?
>> 
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Mark
>> W7MLG
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net <mailto:jstengrevics at comcast.net>> wrote:
>> I would not use stainless.
>> 
>> 
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
>> 
>> > On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net <mailto:FlatHat at comcast.net>> wrote:
>> > 
>> > ?For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>> 
> 


From jstengrevics at comcast.net  Sat Nov  2 11:43:10 2019
From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 11:43:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
In-Reply-To: <92bb99f8-7576-0a34-0363-db31909eea09@blomand.net>
References: <4021045D-BF83-4CE6-B498-9B5502C67922@comcast.net>
	<F69CFD41-1F81-439D-B735-7116C517BE4F@comcast.net>
	<CAKn+a3uzFGD1B2RhX7b0e=NxzuZ35eonmW1fddybUcXRCUPG8Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<F4B8263C-7A1A-4B6A-965F-966BBB2C6050@comcast.net>
	<92bb99f8-7576-0a34-0363-db31909eea09@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <F4CD2319-83CE-4CD5-851A-EF59B7A1112A@comcast.net>

Oops?I meant galvanized.  Just not stainless.

John
WA1EAZ

> On Nov 2, 2019, at 11:09 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> 
> Rohn tower hardware is hot dipped galvanized steel.  I'd take their knowledge over any "tower guy" or any other person for that matter.
> 
> Remember, your tower and perhaps someones life may depend on your tower hardware, use and installation.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> On 11/2/2019 9:59 AM, John Stengrevics wrote:
>> My tower guy says stainless is too brittle.  Use anodized instead.
>> 
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
>> 
>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:56 AM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Richard:
>>> 
>>> If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickle anti-seize on stainless
>>> hardware, even in Aluminum.
>>> What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your
>>> temperature extremes?
>>> I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is
>>> not a big issue.
>>> 
>>> John:
>>> 
>>> What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the
>>> load?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> W7MLG
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I would not use stainless.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> John
>>>> WA1EAZ
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys
>>>> ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Nov  2 11:50:09 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 11:50:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All
In-Reply-To: <9F435671-106B-423C-BC2A-B4462EEADF20@comcast.net>
References: <E76336A5-46C5-4833-8EB3-F47581AAD4BB@comcast.net>
	<9F435671-106B-423C-BC2A-B4462EEADF20@comcast.net>
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Richard,

I would go with the Farm Equipment folks on this.  Many parts of farm 
equipment are actually turnbuckles of one style or another and some of 
that equipment is left in the open air. The grease coating prevents 
moisture intrusion and potential seizing no matter what the material 
type may be.
In the case of turnbuckles, make certain you are using a "stay wire" to 
prevent unwanted movement.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/2/2019 11:28 AM, Richard wrote:
> 
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> From: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All
>> Date: November 2, 2019 at 11:25:17 AM EDT
>> To: Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com>
>>
>> These ropes are more accurately anti-droop cords on a long-boom yagi.
>>
>> I am in central Florida, nowhere near salt water, temperatures nominally 95F to 40F.
>>
>> I AM using stainless turnbuckles: "stainless steel/stainless steel? means both the body and the screws are stainless steel.
>>
>> These turnbuckles are recommended by Justin Johnson of InnovAntennas for his antennas.
>>
>> The two answers I like best so far are Permatex anti-seize and John Deere corn head grease. Any more?
>>
>> Richard
>>

From radioham at mchsi.com  Sat Nov  2 11:54:08 2019
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 10:54:08 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All.
 another suggestion.
In-Reply-To: <9F435671-106B-423C-BC2A-B4462EEADF20@comcast.net>
References: <E76336A5-46C5-4833-8EB3-F47581AAD4BB@comcast.net>
	<9F435671-106B-423C-BC2A-B4462EEADF20@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <50D66A8E-85AC-44CC-8D52-3630EBC7033F@mchsi.com>

Here is another for you.  Background.  In order to be able to take them on airplanes tandem bicycles are often made with stainless steel couplers than can be unscrewed to take the frame apart.  Adding the couplers to a tandem add between $1000 and $2000  to an already multi thousand dollar bicycle.  Stainless steel is prone to galling and having a coupler seize makes the bicycle unridable and results in a very expensive repair.  

The manufacturer of these couplers has put a lot of effort into finding lubrication that best prevents galling.  After testing over 100 products they recommend using Finish Line? Extreme Fluoro Grease. The attached link explains their findings.

<http://www.sandsmachine.com/grease_t.htm>

When you look at the kind of things they design and manufacture you get the feeling they know what they are talking about

<http://www.sandsmachine.com/s_about.htm>

Disclosure: I and many friends have bicycles with their couplers but have no financial interest in the business or the lubricant.

David K0LUM

> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:28 AM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All
>> Date: November 2, 2019 at 11:25:17 AM EDT
>> To: Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com>
>> 
>> These ropes are more accurately anti-droop cords on a long-boom yagi.
>> 
>> I am in central Florida, nowhere near salt water, temperatures nominally 95F to 40F. 
>> 
>> I AM using stainless turnbuckles: "stainless steel/stainless steel? means both the body and the screws are stainless steel.
>> 
>> These turnbuckles are recommended by Justin Johnson of InnovAntennas for his antennas.
>> 
>> The two answers I like best so far are Permatex anti-seize and John Deere corn head grease. Any more?
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:56 AM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com <mailto:marklgoldberg at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Richard:
>>> 
>>> If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickel anti-seize on stainless hardware, even in Aluminum.
>>> What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your temperature extremes?
>>> I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is not a big issue.
>>> 
>>> John:
>>> 
>>> What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the load?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> W7MLG
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net <mailto:jstengrevics at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>> I would not use stainless.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> John
>>> WA1EAZ
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net <mailto:FlatHat at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>>> 
>> 
> 
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From barrylazar2 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  2 11:57:27 2019
From: barrylazar2 at gmail.com (Barry)
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 15:57:27 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
In-Reply-To: <4021045D-BF83-4CE6-B498-9B5502C67922@comcast.net>
References: <4021045D-BF83-4CE6-B498-9B5502C67922@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <emfe2ad0a8-a8df-4922-a8e7-f53fed43af82@office-desktop-i>

Richard,
     I used to use a lanolin based product on my stainless turnbuckles on 
my boat. That is no longer available. So, what I suggest is that you go 
on line to West Marine and see what they have and recommend. Nothing is 
as finicky as the materials in a marine environment. Salt air and water 
really does a number on boat stuff. Only suggestion is that your 
stainless be marine grade.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

------ Original Message ------
From: "Richard" <FlatHat at comcast.net>
To: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: 11/2/2019 10:16:24 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads

>For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>
>Cheers,
>
>Richard Kunc - W4KBX
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From josh at voodoolab.com  Sat Nov  2 14:47:06 2019
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 11:47:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
In-Reply-To: <emfe2ad0a8-a8df-4922-a8e7-f53fed43af82@office-desktop-i>
References: <4021045D-BF83-4CE6-B498-9B5502C67922@comcast.net>
	<emfe2ad0a8-a8df-4922-a8e7-f53fed43af82@office-desktop-i>
Message-ID: <17215EEC-7CAC-4BBB-8D4D-9FABC3733C00@voodoolab.com>

I use Permatex anti-seize, same as west marine sells. I?ve only used ss turnbuckles for truss cables & anything I want to look pretty (architectural). Never a problem when threads are coated. Tower guys always galvanized. SS is a PITA with galling. I suppose if you?re in a real corrosive environment it would make sense. 

73
Josh W6XU

Sent from my mobile device

> On Nov 2, 2019, at 8:57 AM, Barry <barrylazar2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Richard,
>    I used to use a lanolin based product on my stainless turnbuckles on my boat. That is no longer available. So, what I suggest is that you go on line to West Marine and see what they have and recommend. Nothing is as finicky as the materials in a marine environment. Salt air and water really does a number on boat stuff. Only suggestion is that your stainless be marine grade.
> 
> 73,
> Barry
> 


From rv6amark at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  2 14:50:58 2019
From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (rv6amark)
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 11:50:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
Message-ID: <mailman.204.1572720566.13233.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Re: "Rohn tower hardware is hot dipped galvanized steel.? I'd take their knowledge over any "tower guy" or any other person for that matter."Exactly!? The science of materials and their proper manufacturing and use is far too complex to be summed up in an email or by statements like, "Material X is to brittle to be used for use in Y."? Run away from anyone who says it.? There are thousands of variations in steels that can be processed in thousands of variations, all of which affect the properties of the final product.? Making these decisions correctly so the final product works correctly is what engineering is all about.??In the words of Jim, K9YC in response to a similar issue:??"Science is NOT decided by majority vote, nor is it decided by opinion."Mark,??KE6BB??
null

From rv6amark at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  2 14:50:58 2019
From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (rv6amark)
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 11:50:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
Message-ID: <mailman.205.1572720566.13233.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Re: "Rohn tower hardware is hot dipped galvanized steel.? I'd take their knowledge over any "tower guy" or any other person for that matter."Exactly!? The science of materials and their proper manufacturing and use is far too complex to be summed up in an email or by statements like, "Material X is to brittle to be used for use in Y."? Run away from anyone who says it.? There are thousands of variations in steels that can be processed in thousands of variations, all of which affect the properties of the final product.? Making these decisions correctly so the final product works correctly is what engineering is all about.??In the words of Jim, K9YC in response to a similar issue:??"Science is NOT decided by majority vote, nor is it decided by opinion."Mark,??KE6BB??
null

From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk  Sat Nov  2 15:12:04 2019
From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 16:12:04 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All
In-Reply-To: <9F435671-106B-423C-BC2A-B4462EEADF20@comcast.net>
References: <E76336A5-46C5-4833-8EB3-F47581AAD4BB@comcast.net>
	<9F435671-106B-423C-BC2A-B4462EEADF20@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <788cc2dc-ef75-e36d-310e-ee783994e7bc@horizon.co.fk>

Just remember to wire the turnbuckle after tensioning otherwise a nice 
free turning item will tend to unwind.

There are web sites that illustrate various options.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO

On 02/11/2019 12:28, Richard wrote:
> 
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> From: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All
>> Date: November 2, 2019 at 11:25:17 AM EDT
>> To: Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com>
>>
>> These ropes are more accurately anti-droop cords on a long-boom yagi.
>>
>> I am in central Florida, nowhere near salt water, temperatures nominally 95F to 40F.
>>
>> I AM using stainless turnbuckles: "stainless steel/stainless steel? means both the body and the screws are stainless steel.
>>
>> These turnbuckles are recommended by Justin Johnson of InnovAntennas for his antennas.
>>
>> The two answers I like best so far are Permatex anti-seize and John Deere corn head grease. Any more?
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:56 AM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com <mailto:marklgoldberg at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Richard:
>>>
>>> If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickel anti-seize on stainless hardware, even in Aluminum.
>>> What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your temperature extremes?
>>> I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is not a big issue.
>>>
>>> John:
>>>
>>> What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the load?
>>>
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Mark
>>> W7MLG
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net <mailto:jstengrevics at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>> I would not use stainless.
>>>
>>>
>>> John
>>> WA1EAZ
>>>
>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net <mailto:FlatHat at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Nov  2 15:18:07 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 12:18:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Transceivers vs operators
In-Reply-To: <16AAA34A-E0A9-450D-B9CE-56CDDB137FC4@gmail.com>
References: <16AAA34A-E0A9-450D-B9CE-56CDDB137FC4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a59f15c1-5312-5b87-db0b-be7c2f5df500@foothill.net>

"Your mileage may vary" and in my case it does and I respectfully 
disagree.? A number of years ago, I had inherited a completely stock 
Hallicrafters SX-28 [with the big bass reflex speaker] from an SK estate 
and decided to do a CW NAQP a la mid 50's when I was a teenager and new 
ham.? It was to be an SOSB entry, I had one ARC-5 left in the basement 
on 40.? Caps were a little dry in the power supply but took the 
reforming moderately well.? It was ungodly hard, my rate was maybe 5/hr 
and I packed it in after a couple of hours.? Skill matters, but so does 
the rig ... a lot! [:-)

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County
KN6DGW 1953, K6DGW 5 months later, Extra in 56 after I had the required 
2 yr on-air service.

On 11/1/2019 9:31 PM, Jim Danehy wrote:
> I read about all of the specs in the rigs
> I have been operating for 67 years.
> I got used to radios from the 1950s.
> My K3 has every option you can buy. Sub receiver and filters galore.
>
> I rarely use the narrow filters. I have a ?software? defined brain. It is the best filter you can have. If you practice long enough you can do a lot of filtering in your head (brain).
>
> I am primarily a CW operator. I can copy up to 50 wpm too. Solid copy fades above that speed. The brain is what allows you to decode CW at those speeds. Done in various amounts of QRM/QRN. My K3 can?t decode at QRQ with QRN/QRM !
>
> Unfortunately you can tune the bands and not hear a CW signal. Hit the FT 8 QRG and there are stations.
>
> I can read a book / Newspaper and listen to a 45 wpm CW signal. I hear CW Contesters but they use keyboards to send CW. They can copy calls but don?t ask them a question at QRQ speed. Some can copy but not many.
>
> A transceiver is not the most critical element in a station. It is the brain. You can?t upgrade brains.
>
> My brain operates at a very fast speed too.
> When it becomes a reflex it is like human speech. It is after all just a different sound. That takes years to acquire
>
> Just a different perspective. It is almost 70 years of experience too.
>
> I own a K2, K3, KX2 and KX3. My DXCC TOTAL is 370. I have not used a beam in the last 30 years.
>
> It?s the operator ! !
>
> Jim
> W9VNE/VA3VNE
>


From k7sss at aol.com  Sat Nov  2 15:19:32 2019
From: k7sss at aol.com (k7sss at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 19:19:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] (OT) Ca Fires
References: <467276446.201695.1572722372227.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <467276446.201695.1572722372227@mail.yahoo.com>

? Hi,

Just wondering how the CA fires are affecting Elecraft?
Jim H.k7sss at aol.com

From norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  2 15:27:25 2019
From: norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com (Eric Norris)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 12:27:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 storage temps
In-Reply-To: <36ef6238-7e98-60bc-c55c-274d228b5c1a@hvc.rr.com>
References: <1608999701.642122.1572696242270.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1608999701.642122.1572696242270@mail.yahoo.com>
	<36ef6238-7e98-60bc-c55c-274d228b5c1a@hvc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CAJSJeL2ghFx4EchW_oRTV=GMBnbtOokzJ2dO0BkrKBRsrVt48w@mail.gmail.com>

Lithium AA batteries are good to -40F or -40C.  My question remains.  Does
anyone know the answer?  Thanks.

73 Eric WD6DBM

On Sat, Nov 2, 2019, 5:13 AM Tommy <tommy58 at hvc.rr.com> wrote:

> Eric,
>
>     Batteries do NOT like cold or excessive heat so I wouldn't store the
> battery in either conditions.
>
> 73!
>
> Tom - KB2SMS
>
>
> On 11/2/19 8:04 AM, eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
> > Does anyone know what a safe temperature is for storing--not
> operating--a KX2, with batteries?  32F?  20F?  10F?  I can't find the
> answer in the manual, brochure, or FAQs
> > Thanks and 73, Eric WD6DBM
>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Nov  2 15:37:30 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 12:37:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 model v. K3S for strong nearby signal rejection.
In-Reply-To: <B02908E8-3E02-462E-87D2-297108C61342@socket.net>
References: <750667396.25712.1572558718041.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<750667396.25712.1572558718041@mail.yahoo.com>
	<a7ed11ec-0c44-709d-09e3-f072902a3fa5@blomand.net>
	<B02908E8-3E02-462E-87D2-297108C61342@socket.net>
Message-ID: <d8faea8a-94a6-ee73-c604-355f1864b898@audiosystemsgroup.com>

We run two stations, both K3, P3, KPA500, KAT500, with antennas two FEET 
apart for county expeditions. See
k9yc.com/7QP.pdf and
http://k9yc.com/Multi-Station.pdf

73, Jim K9YC

On 11/1/2019 6:16 PM, K9ZTV wrote:
> Notice he said 50 YARDS, not feet.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Kent  K9ZTV
> 
>> On Nov 1, 2019, at 10:48 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
>>
>> We used K3S radios at a Field Day site.  Operated 2 radios on the same band with antennas less than 50 yards apart.
> 
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Nov  2 15:40:27 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 12:40:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Compression Value
In-Reply-To: <e7dd1c68-75e0-3d80-d52a-e60b0d55a73b@comcast.net>
References: <e7dd1c68-75e0-3d80-d52a-e60b0d55a73b@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <e6d1b99f-511e-d346-fb71-8065ddf38541@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 11/1/2019 8:03 PM, Rich wrote:

They have no direct relationship to compression in dB. View compression 
in dB from the display, which varies on voice peaks. A good rule of 
thumb is 10 dB.

73, Jim K9YC

> Are the K3S compression values 0 - 40 equal to DB or are they just 
> arbitrary numbers?
> 
> Just curious what those numbers related to if anything. Obviously I 
> realize they relate to how much compression. 

From w6png at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  2 15:57:56 2019
From: w6png at yahoo.com (Paul Gacek)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 19:57:56 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 storage temps
In-Reply-To: <CAJSJeL2ghFx4EchW_oRTV=GMBnbtOokzJ2dO0BkrKBRsrVt48w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1608999701.642122.1572696242270.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1608999701.642122.1572696242270@mail.yahoo.com>
	<36ef6238-7e98-60bc-c55c-274d228b5c1a@hvc.rr.com>
	<CAJSJeL2ghFx4EchW_oRTV=GMBnbtOokzJ2dO0BkrKBRsrVt48w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7FC72B45-C7F3-4C2B-8A76-BC674D06C8F7@yahoo.com>

-40F is the same temperature as -40C

Paul


> On Nov 2, 2019, at 7:27 PM, Eric Norris <norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Lithium AA batteries are good to -40F or -40C.  My question remains.  Does
> anyone know the answer?  Thanks.
> 
> 73 Eric WD6DBM
> 
> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019, 5:13 AM Tommy <tommy58 at hvc.rr.com> wrote:
> 
>> Eric,
>> 
>>    Batteries do NOT like cold or excessive heat so I wouldn't store the
>> battery in either conditions.
>> 
>> 73!
>> 
>> Tom - KB2SMS
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/2/19 8:04 AM, eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
>>> Does anyone know what a safe temperature is for storing--not
>> operating--a KX2, with batteries?  32F?  20F?  10F?  I can't find the
>> answer in the manual, brochure, or FAQs
>>> Thanks and 73, Eric WD6DBM
>> 
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From w6png at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  2 15:57:56 2019
From: w6png at yahoo.com (Paul Gacek)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 19:57:56 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 storage temps
In-Reply-To: <CAJSJeL2ghFx4EchW_oRTV=GMBnbtOokzJ2dO0BkrKBRsrVt48w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1608999701.642122.1572696242270.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1608999701.642122.1572696242270@mail.yahoo.com>
	<36ef6238-7e98-60bc-c55c-274d228b5c1a@hvc.rr.com>
	<CAJSJeL2ghFx4EchW_oRTV=GMBnbtOokzJ2dO0BkrKBRsrVt48w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7FC72B45-C7F3-4C2B-8A76-BC674D06C8F7@yahoo.com>

-40F is the same temperature as -40C

Paul


> On Nov 2, 2019, at 7:27 PM, Eric Norris <norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Lithium AA batteries are good to -40F or -40C.  My question remains.  Does
> anyone know the answer?  Thanks.
> 
> 73 Eric WD6DBM
> 
> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019, 5:13 AM Tommy <tommy58 at hvc.rr.com> wrote:
> 
>> Eric,
>> 
>>    Batteries do NOT like cold or excessive heat so I wouldn't store the
>> battery in either conditions.
>> 
>> 73!
>> 
>> Tom - KB2SMS
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/2/19 8:04 AM, eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
>>> Does anyone know what a safe temperature is for storing--not
>> operating--a KX2, with batteries?  32F?  20F?  10F?  I can't find the
>> answer in the manual, brochure, or FAQs
>>> Thanks and 73, Eric WD6DBM
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sat Nov  2 16:12:11 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 13:12:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] (OT) Ca Fires
In-Reply-To: <467276446.201695.1572722372227@mail.yahoo.com>
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No impact that I know of.

Wayne
N6KR


> On Nov 2, 2019, at 12:19 PM, Jim H via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
>   Hi,
> 
> Just wondering how the CA fires are affecting Elecraft?
> Jim H.k7sss at aol.com
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From jsdanehy at gmail.com  Sat Nov  2 16:31:50 2019
From: jsdanehy at gmail.com (Jim Danehy)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 16:31:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 187, Issue 3
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You learn at an EARLY AGE. Young kids learn to be multi language because of certain NEURONS. There are an abundance of them. Not used they die. Your ability to learn CW and LANGUAGES diminishes. You may disagree. So be it. 
But missing NEURONS is critical. More difficult for adults to learn languages. Difficult for adults to learn CW.

Kids learn quicker and more effectively. 
Neurons die when not used

W9VNE 

The above is factual. 

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>   1. Transceivers  vs operators (Jim Danehy)
>   2. Re: Transceivers vs operators (David Gilbert)
>   3. Re: Transceivers vs operators (Martin Sole)
>   4. KX2 storage temps (eric norris)
>   5. Re: KX2 storage temps (Tommy)
>   6. Elecraft SSB net and time change to Standard time (Eric Lanzl)
>   7. Turnbuckle Threads (Richard)
>   8. Re: Turnbuckle Threads (John Stengrevics)
>   9. K3s SSB Filters Still Available (Doug Hensley)
>  10. Re: Turnbuckle Threads (Mark Goldberg)
>  11. Re: Turnbuckle Threads (John Stengrevics)
>  12. Re: Turnbuckle Threads (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
>  13. Re: Elecraft SSB net and time change to Standard time (Wes)
>  14. Fwd:  Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All (Richard)
>  15. Re: Turnbuckle Threads (John Stengrevics)
>  16. Re: Fwd: Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All (Don Wilhelm)
>  17. Re: Fwd: Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All. another
>      suggestion. (David Christ)
>  18. Re: Turnbuckle Threads (Barry)
>  19. Re: Turnbuckle Threads (Josh Fiden)
>  20. Re: Turnbuckle Threads (rv6amark)
>  21. Re: Turnbuckle Threads (rv6amark)
>  22. Re: Fwd: Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All (Mike Harris)
>  23. Re: Transceivers vs operators (Fred Jensen)
>  24. (OT) Ca Fires (k7sss at aol.com)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 00:31:20 -0400
> From: Jim Danehy <jsdanehy at gmail.com>
> To: Elecraft Mailing List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Transceivers  vs operators
> Message-ID: <16AAA34A-E0A9-450D-B9CE-56CDDB137FC4 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> I read about all of the specs in the rigs
> I have been operating for 67 years.
> I got used to radios from the 1950s.
> My K3 has every option you can buy. Sub receiver and filters galore.
> 
> I rarely use the narrow filters. I have a ?software? defined brain. It is the best filter you can have. If you practice long enough you can do a lot of filtering in your head (brain). 
> 
> I am primarily a CW operator. I can copy up to 50 wpm too. Solid copy fades above that speed. The brain is what allows you to decode CW at those speeds. Done in various amounts of QRM/QRN. My K3 can?t decode at QRQ with QRN/QRM !
> 
> Unfortunately you can tune the bands and not hear a CW signal. Hit the FT 8 QRG and there are stations.
> 
> I can read a book / Newspaper and listen to a 45 wpm CW signal. I hear CW Contesters but they use keyboards to send CW. They can copy calls but don?t ask them a question at QRQ speed. Some can copy but not many.
> 
> A transceiver is not the most critical element in a station. It is the brain. You can?t upgrade brains. 
> 
> My brain operates at a very fast speed too.
> When it becomes a reflex it is like human speech. It is after all just a different sound. That takes years to acquire 
> 
> Just a different perspective. It is almost 70 years of experience too.
> 
> I own a K2, K3, KX2 and KX3. My DXCC TOTAL is 370. I have not used a beam in the last 30 years. 
> 
> It?s the operator ! !
> 
> Jim
> W9VNE/VA3VNE 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 21:58:07 -0700
> From: David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Transceivers vs operators
> Message-ID: <2e6a1093-e8e9-9eda-3068-ae1cabc873d3 at cis-broadband.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> 
> Aside from the bragging, much of what you said there is true ... but not 
> all.? I used to do a lot of CW contesting with a TS-940SAT, and later 
> with a 756Pro (first version).? No amount of experience, brain power, or 
> riding the RF gain and attenuator could help me copy CW when really loud 
> signals 10 or 15 KHz away were desensing the rig to oblivion.? I now 
> have a K3 with narrow filters and I have several times run a frequency 
> for a long time before realizing there was another 59+10 station just a 
> few hundred Hz away ... and the only way I discovered that was when 
> stations calling him did so enough off frequency that they hit my passband.
> 
> Rigs make a difference, and by the way so do antennas.
> 
> 73,
> Dave? AB7E
> 
> 
>> On 11/1/2019 9:31 PM, Jim Danehy wrote:
>> I read about all of the specs in the rigs
>> I have been operating for 67 years.
>> I got used to radios from the 1950s.
>> My K3 has every option you can buy. Sub receiver and filters galore.
>> 
>> I rarely use the narrow filters. I have a ?software? defined brain. It is the best filter you can have. If you practice long enough you can do a lot of filtering in your head (brain).
>> 
>> I am primarily a CW operator. I can copy up to 50 wpm too. Solid copy fades above that speed. The brain is what allows you to decode CW at those speeds. Done in various amounts of QRM/QRN. My K3 can?t decode at QRQ with QRN/QRM !
>> 
>> Unfortunately you can tune the bands and not hear a CW signal. Hit the FT 8 QRG and there are stations.
>> 
>> I can read a book / Newspaper and listen to a 45 wpm CW signal. I hear CW Contesters but they use keyboards to send CW. They can copy calls but don?t ask them a question at QRQ speed. Some can copy but not many.
>> 
>> A transceiver is not the most critical element in a station. It is the brain. You can?t upgrade brains.
>> 
>> My brain operates at a very fast speed too.
>> When it becomes a reflex it is like human speech. It is after all just a different sound. That takes years to acquire
>> 
>> Just a different perspective. It is almost 70 years of experience too.
>> 
>> I own a K2, K3, KX2 and KX3. My DXCC TOTAL is 370. I have not used a beam in the last 30 years.
>> 
>> It?s the operator ! !
>> 
>> Jim
>> W9VNE/VA3VNE
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 14:43:34 +0700
> From: Martin Sole <hs0zed at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Transceivers vs operators
> Message-ID: <8fd92971-cd1e-d391-01f3-742a5ddf88b0 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Snipping bits. Some good points.
> 
>> On 02/11/2019 11:31, Jim Danehy wrote:
>> Unfortunately you can tune the bands and not hear a CW signal. Hit the FT 8 QRG and there are stations.
> I've pretty much come to detest FT-whatever for the apparent demise of, 
> other what I consider more real modes :( I have to have a certain amount 
> of faith though that sunspots will help. Even so ZD7 last night on 15 
> for a new one so it's not all bad prop, unfortunately a phoney (SSB) 
> contact.
> 
>> I can read a book / Newspaper and listen to a 45 wpm CW signal. I hear CW Contesters but they use keyboards to send CW. They can copy calls but don?t ask them a question at QRQ speed. Some can copy but not many.
> Some personal shame here. I can pretty much contest and work dx, but 
> proper cw contacts still scare the bejesus out of me. I refuse to give 
> in though, I'm working up to calling CQ more as well, got to be active.
>> A transceiver is not the most critical element in a station. It is the brain. You can?t upgrade brains.
> I disagree, time, training, commitment and focus do help. That said I 
> lack all of these it seems ;)
>> My brain operates at a very fast speed too.
>> When it becomes a reflex it is like human speech. It is after all just a different sound. That takes years to acquire
> At almost 60 I doubt I'll achieve those lofty heights but giving up is 
> not an option either.
>> Just a different perspective. It is almost 70 years of experience too.
>> 
>> I own a K2, K3, KX2 and KX3. My DXCC TOTAL is 370. I have not used a beam in the last 30 years.
>> 
>> It?s the operator ! !
>> 
>> Jim
>> W9VNE/VA3VNE
>> 
>> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 12:04:02 +0000 (UTC)
> From: eric norris <gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 storage temps
> Message-ID: <1608999701.642122.1572696242270 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Does anyone know what a safe temperature is for storing--not operating--a KX2, with batteries?? 32F?? 20F?? 10F?? I can't find the answer in the manual, brochure, or FAQs
> Thanks and 73, Eric WD6DBM
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 08:13:21 -0400
> From: Tommy <tommy58 at hvc.rr.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 storage temps
> Message-ID: <36ef6238-7e98-60bc-c55c-274d228b5c1a at hvc.rr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Eric,
> 
> ?? Batteries do NOT like cold or excessive heat so I wouldn't store the 
> battery in either conditions.
> 
> 73!
> 
> Tom - KB2SMS
> 
> 
>> On 11/2/19 8:04 AM, eric norris via Elecraft wrote:
>> Does anyone know what a safe temperature is for storing--not operating--a KX2, with batteries?? 32F?? 20F?? 10F?? I can't find the answer in the manual, brochure, or FAQs
>> Thanks and 73, Eric WD6DBM
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 12:30:44 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Eric Lanzl <elanzl at sbcglobal.net>
> To: Elecraft List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>,    Jim White NC0JW
>    <ars.nc0jw at gmail.com>,    Albert Winger <awinger2011 at icloud.com>, N6jw
>    <n6jw at arrl.net>,    K1nw <k1nw at arrl.net>, Rodger Williamson
>    <n4nrw at arrl.net>,    Steve Hall <99sunset at gmail.com>, Carl Yaffey
>    <cyaffey at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net and time change to Standard time
> Message-ID: <596092687.214354.1572697844838 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Just a reminder that with the time changing to standard time the Elecraft SSB net will take place one hour earlier. The time of the net is still 1800Z. Please join us for the net on Sunday. 
> 
> Eric WB9JNZ
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 10:16:24 -0400
> From: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
> Message-ID: <4021045D-BF83-4CE6-B498-9B5502C67922 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Richard Kunc - W4KBX
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 10:26:15 -0400
> From: John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net>
> To: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
> Message-ID: <F69CFD41-1F81-439D-B735-7116C517BE4F at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> I would not use stainless.
> 
> 
> John
> WA1EAZ
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Richard Kunc - W4KBX
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 14:51:33 +0000
> From: Doug Hensley <w5jv at hotmail.com>
> To: Elecraft List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3s SSB Filters Still Available
> Message-ID:
>    <DM6PR01MB589829FFEF0909C5AC37798E917D0 at DM6PR01MB5898.prod.exchangelabs.com>
>    
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Still have 4 Sale:
> 
> A matched pair of 2.7 kHZ K3S SSB filters;
> 
> $160 ($80 ea).  Shipping is cheap.
> 
> QSL: W5JV privately please.
> 
> Doug W5JV
> K1, K2, K3S
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Visit https://www.qrz.com/db/W5JV for some great boat-anchor items.  Looking for something special?  Ask us.
> Wanted: Petersen Type PR-1 Crystal in FT-243 holder cut for 1770 kHZ (Used in IF Stage of a Mackay Receiver).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 07:56:14 -0700
> From: Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com>
> To: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>,    Elecraft Reflector
>    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
> Message-ID:
>    <CAKn+a3uzFGD1B2RhX7b0e=NxzuZ35eonmW1fddybUcXRCUPG8Q at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> Richard:
> 
> If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickle anti-seize on stainless
> hardware, even in Aluminum.
> What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your
> temperature extremes?
> I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is
> not a big issue.
> 
> John:
> 
> What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the
> load?
> 
> 
> 73,
> 
> Mark
> W7MLG
> 
> 
> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> 
>> I would not use stainless.
>> 
>> 
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
>> 
>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys
>> ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 10:59:48 -0400
> From: John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net>
> To: Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
> Message-ID: <F4B8263C-7A1A-4B6A-965F-966BBB2C6050 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
> 
> My tower guy says stainless is too brittle.  Use anodized instead.
> 
> John
> WA1EAZ
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:56 AM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Richard:
>> 
>> If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickle anti-seize on stainless
>> hardware, even in Aluminum.
>> What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your
>> temperature extremes?
>> I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is
>> not a big issue.
>> 
>> John:
>> 
>> What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the
>> load?
>> 
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Mark
>> W7MLG
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I would not use stainless.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> John
>>> WA1EAZ
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys
>>> ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>>> 
>>> 
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 10:09:01 -0500
> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
> Message-ID: <92bb99f8-7576-0a34-0363-db31909eea09 at blomand.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Rohn tower hardware is hot dipped galvanized steel.? I'd take their 
> knowledge over any "tower guy" or any other person for that matter.
> 
> Remember, your tower and perhaps someones life may depend on your tower 
> hardware, use and installation.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
>> On 11/2/2019 9:59 AM, John Stengrevics wrote:
>> My tower guy says stainless is too brittle.  Use anodized instead.
>> 
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
>> 
>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:56 AM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Richard:
>>> 
>>> If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickle anti-seize on stainless
>>> hardware, even in Aluminum.
>>> What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your
>>> temperature extremes?
>>> I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is
>>> not a big issue.
>>> 
>>> John:
>>> 
>>> What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the
>>> load?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> W7MLG
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I would not use stainless.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> John
>>>> WA1EAZ
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys
>>>> ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 08:14:08 -0700
> From: Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net and time change to Standard
>    time
> Message-ID: <38949528-8d61-ba14-d4b7-ebee3d974ff0 at triconet.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> If it's still at 1800Z, then it didn't change.? "Standard" time should not be 
> used in ham radio.
> 
> Wes? N7WS
> 
>> On 11/2/2019 5:30 AM, Eric Lanzl wrote:
>> Just a reminder that with the time changing to standard time the Elecraft SSB net will take place one hour earlier. The time of the net is still 1800Z. Please join us for the net on Sunday.
>> 
>> Eric WB9JNZ
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 11:28:18 -0400
> From: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd:  Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All
> Message-ID: <9F435671-106B-423C-BC2A-B4462EEADF20 at comcast.net>
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> 
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All
>> Date: November 2, 2019 at 11:25:17 AM EDT
>> To: Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com>
>> 
>> These ropes are more accurately anti-droop cords on a long-boom yagi.
>> 
>> I am in central Florida, nowhere near salt water, temperatures nominally 95F to 40F. 
>> 
>> I AM using stainless turnbuckles: "stainless steel/stainless steel? means both the body and the screws are stainless steel.
>> 
>> These turnbuckles are recommended by Justin Johnson of InnovAntennas for his antennas.
>> 
>> The two answers I like best so far are Permatex anti-seize and John Deere corn head grease. Any more?
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:56 AM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com <mailto:marklgoldberg at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Richard:
>>> 
>>> If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickel anti-seize on stainless hardware, even in Aluminum.
>>> What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your temperature extremes?
>>> I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is not a big issue.
>>> 
>>> John:
>>> 
>>> What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the load?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> W7MLG
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net <mailto:jstengrevics at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>> I would not use stainless.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> John
>>> WA1EAZ
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net <mailto:FlatHat at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 15
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 11:43:10 -0400
> From: John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net>
> To: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
> Message-ID: <F4CD2319-83CE-4CD5-851A-EF59B7A1112A at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
> 
> Oops?I meant galvanized.  Just not stainless.
> 
> John
> WA1EAZ
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 11:09 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Rohn tower hardware is hot dipped galvanized steel.  I'd take their knowledge over any "tower guy" or any other person for that matter.
>> 
>> Remember, your tower and perhaps someones life may depend on your tower hardware, use and installation.
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> Bob, K4TAX
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11/2/2019 9:59 AM, John Stengrevics wrote:
>>> My tower guy says stainless is too brittle.  Use anodized instead.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> WA1EAZ
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:56 AM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Richard:
>>>> 
>>>> If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickle anti-seize on stainless
>>>> hardware, even in Aluminum.
>>>> What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your
>>>> temperature extremes?
>>>> I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is
>>>> not a big issue.
>>>> 
>>>> John:
>>>> 
>>>> What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the
>>>> load?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 73,
>>>> 
>>>> Mark
>>>> W7MLG
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I would not use stainless.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> John
>>>>> WA1EAZ
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys
>>>>> ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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> Message: 16
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 11:50:09 -0400
> From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> To: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>,    Elecraft Reflector
>    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for
>    All
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> Richard,
> 
> I would go with the Farm Equipment folks on this.  Many parts of farm 
> equipment are actually turnbuckles of one style or another and some of 
> that equipment is left in the open air. The grease coating prevents 
> moisture intrusion and potential seizing no matter what the material 
> type may be.
> In the case of turnbuckles, make certain you are using a "stay wire" to 
> prevent unwanted movement.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 11/2/2019 11:28 AM, Richard wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> From: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All
>>> Date: November 2, 2019 at 11:25:17 AM EDT
>>> To: Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com>
>>> 
>>> These ropes are more accurately anti-droop cords on a long-boom yagi.
>>> 
>>> I am in central Florida, nowhere near salt water, temperatures nominally 95F to 40F.
>>> 
>>> I AM using stainless turnbuckles: "stainless steel/stainless steel? means both the body and the screws are stainless steel.
>>> 
>>> These turnbuckles are recommended by Justin Johnson of InnovAntennas for his antennas.
>>> 
>>> The two answers I like best so far are Permatex anti-seize and John Deere corn head grease. Any more?
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 17
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 10:54:08 -0500
> From: David Christ <radioham at mchsi.com>
> To: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for
>    All. another suggestion.
> Message-ID: <50D66A8E-85AC-44CC-8D52-3630EBC7033F at mchsi.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
> 
> Here is another for you.  Background.  In order to be able to take them on airplanes tandem bicycles are often made with stainless steel couplers than can be unscrewed to take the frame apart.  Adding the couplers to a tandem add between $1000 and $2000  to an already multi thousand dollar bicycle.  Stainless steel is prone to galling and having a coupler seize makes the bicycle unridable and results in a very expensive repair.  
> 
> The manufacturer of these couplers has put a lot of effort into finding lubrication that best prevents galling.  After testing over 100 products they recommend using Finish Line? Extreme Fluoro Grease. The attached link explains their findings.
> 
> <http://www.sandsmachine.com/grease_t.htm>
> 
> When you look at the kind of things they design and manufacture you get the feeling they know what they are talking about
> 
> <http://www.sandsmachine.com/s_about.htm>
> 
> Disclosure: I and many friends have bicycles with their couplers but have no financial interest in the business or the lubricant.
> 
> David K0LUM
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:28 AM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> From: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All
>>> Date: November 2, 2019 at 11:25:17 AM EDT
>>> To: Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com>
>>> 
>>> These ropes are more accurately anti-droop cords on a long-boom yagi.
>>> 
>>> I am in central Florida, nowhere near salt water, temperatures nominally 95F to 40F. 
>>> 
>>> I AM using stainless turnbuckles: "stainless steel/stainless steel? means both the body and the screws are stainless steel.
>>> 
>>> These turnbuckles are recommended by Justin Johnson of InnovAntennas for his antennas.
>>> 
>>> The two answers I like best so far are Permatex anti-seize and John Deere corn head grease. Any more?
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:56 AM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com <mailto:marklgoldberg at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Richard:
>>>> 
>>>> If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickel anti-seize on stainless hardware, even in Aluminum.
>>>> What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your temperature extremes?
>>>> I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is not a big issue.
>>>> 
>>>> John:
>>>> 
>>>> What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the load?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 73,
>>>> 
>>>> Mark
>>>> W7MLG
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net <mailto:jstengrevics at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>> I would not use stainless.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> John
>>>> WA1EAZ
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net <mailto:FlatHat at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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> Message: 18
> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 15:57:27 +0000
> From: Barry <barrylazar2 at gmail.com>
> To: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>,    "Elecraft Reflector"
>    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
> Message-ID: <emfe2ad0a8-a8df-4922-a8e7-f53fed43af82 at office-desktop-i>
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> 
> Richard,
>     I used to use a lanolin based product on my stainless turnbuckles on 
> my boat. That is no longer available. So, what I suggest is that you go 
> on line to West Marine and see what they have and recommend. Nothing is 
> as finicky as the materials in a marine environment. Salt air and water 
> really does a number on boat stuff. Only suggestion is that your 
> stainless be marine grade.
> 
> 73,
> Barry
> K3NDM
> 
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Richard" <FlatHat at comcast.net>
> To: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: 11/2/2019 10:16:24 AM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
> 
>> For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Richard Kunc - W4KBX
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> Message: 19
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 11:47:06 -0700
> From: Josh Fiden <josh at voodoolab.com>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
> Message-ID: <17215EEC-7CAC-4BBB-8D4D-9FABC3733C00 at voodoolab.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
> 
> I use Permatex anti-seize, same as west marine sells. I?ve only used ss turnbuckles for truss cables & anything I want to look pretty (architectural). Never a problem when threads are coated. Tower guys always galvanized. SS is a PITA with galling. I suppose if you?re in a real corrosive environment it would make sense. 
> 
> 73
> Josh W6XU
> 
> Sent from my mobile device
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 8:57 AM, Barry <barrylazar2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Richard,
>>   I used to use a lanolin based product on my stainless turnbuckles on my boat. That is no longer available. So, what I suggest is that you go on line to West Marine and see what they have and recommend. Nothing is as finicky as the materials in a marine environment. Salt air and water really does a number on boat stuff. Only suggestion is that your stainless be marine grade.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Barry
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 20
> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 11:50:58 -0700
> From: rv6amark <rv6amark at yahoo.com>
> To: John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net>, Bob McGraw K4TAX
>    <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
> Message-ID: <mailman.6614.1572722510.13236.elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Re: "Rohn tower hardware is hot dipped galvanized steel.? I'd take their knowledge over any "tower guy" or any other person for that matter."Exactly!? The science of materials and their proper manufacturing and use is far too complex to be summed up in an email or by statements like, "Material X is to brittle to be used for use in Y."? Run away from anyone who says it.? There are thousands of variations in steels that can be processed in thousands of variations, all of which affect the properties of the final product.? Making these decisions correctly so the final product works correctly is what engineering is all about.??In the words of Jim, K9YC in response to a similar issue:??"Science is NOT decided by majority vote, nor is it decided by opinion."Mark,??KE6BB??
> null
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 21
> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 11:50:58 -0700
> From: rv6amark <rv6amark at yahoo.com>
> To: John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net>, Bob McGraw K4TAX
>    <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
> Message-ID: <mailman.6615.1572722510.13236.elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Re: "Rohn tower hardware is hot dipped galvanized steel.? I'd take their knowledge over any "tower guy" or any other person for that matter."Exactly!? The science of materials and their proper manufacturing and use is far too complex to be summed up in an email or by statements like, "Material X is to brittle to be used for use in Y."? Run away from anyone who says it.? There are thousands of variations in steels that can be processed in thousands of variations, all of which affect the properties of the final product.? Making these decisions correctly so the final product works correctly is what engineering is all about.??In the words of Jim, K9YC in response to a similar issue:??"Science is NOT decided by majority vote, nor is it decided by opinion."Mark,??KE6BB??
> null
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 22
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 16:12:04 -0300
> From: Mike Harris <mike.harris at horizon.co.fk>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for
>    All
> Message-ID: <788cc2dc-ef75-e36d-310e-ee783994e7bc at horizon.co.fk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Just remember to wire the turnbuckle after tensioning otherwise a nice 
> free turning item will tend to unwind.
> 
> There are web sites that illustrate various options.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mike VP8NO
> 
>> On 02/11/2019 12:28, Richard wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> From: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads -- Clarification for All
>>> Date: November 2, 2019 at 11:25:17 AM EDT
>>> To: Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com>
>>> 
>>> These ropes are more accurately anti-droop cords on a long-boom yagi.
>>> 
>>> I am in central Florida, nowhere near salt water, temperatures nominally 95F to 40F.
>>> 
>>> I AM using stainless turnbuckles: "stainless steel/stainless steel? means both the body and the screws are stainless steel.
>>> 
>>> These turnbuckles are recommended by Justin Johnson of InnovAntennas for his antennas.
>>> 
>>> The two answers I like best so far are Permatex anti-seize and John Deere corn head grease. Any more?
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:56 AM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com <mailto:marklgoldberg at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Richard:
>>>> 
>>>> If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickel anti-seize on stainless hardware, even in Aluminum.
>>>> What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your temperature extremes?
>>>> I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is not a big issue.
>>>> 
>>>> John:
>>>> 
>>>> What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the load?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 73,
>>>> 
>>>> Mark
>>>> W7MLG
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net <mailto:jstengrevics at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>> I would not use stainless.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> John
>>>> WA1EAZ
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net <mailto:FlatHat at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 23
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 12:18:07 -0700
> From: Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Transceivers vs operators
> Message-ID: <a59f15c1-5312-5b87-db0b-be7c2f5df500 at foothill.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> "Your mileage may vary" and in my case it does and I respectfully 
> disagree.? A number of years ago, I had inherited a completely stock 
> Hallicrafters SX-28 [with the big bass reflex speaker] from an SK estate 
> and decided to do a CW NAQP a la mid 50's when I was a teenager and new 
> ham.? It was to be an SOSB entry, I had one ARC-5 left in the basement 
> on 40.? Caps were a little dry in the power supply but took the 
> reforming moderately well.? It was ungodly hard, my rate was maybe 5/hr 
> and I packed it in after a couple of hours.? Skill matters, but so does 
> the rig ... a lot! [:-)
> 
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> KN6DGW 1953, K6DGW 5 months later, Extra in 56 after I had the required 
> 2 yr on-air service.
> 
>> On 11/1/2019 9:31 PM, Jim Danehy wrote:
>> I read about all of the specs in the rigs
>> I have been operating for 67 years.
>> I got used to radios from the 1950s.
>> My K3 has every option you can buy. Sub receiver and filters galore.
>> 
>> I rarely use the narrow filters. I have a ?software? defined brain. It is the best filter you can have. If you practice long enough you can do a lot of filtering in your head (brain).
>> 
>> I am primarily a CW operator. I can copy up to 50 wpm too. Solid copy fades above that speed. The brain is what allows you to decode CW at those speeds. Done in various amounts of QRM/QRN. My K3 can?t decode at QRQ with QRN/QRM !
>> 
>> Unfortunately you can tune the bands and not hear a CW signal. Hit the FT 8 QRG and there are stations.
>> 
>> I can read a book / Newspaper and listen to a 45 wpm CW signal. I hear CW Contesters but they use keyboards to send CW. They can copy calls but don?t ask them a question at QRQ speed. Some can copy but not many.
>> 
>> A transceiver is not the most critical element in a station. It is the brain. You can?t upgrade brains.
>> 
>> My brain operates at a very fast speed too.
>> When it becomes a reflex it is like human speech. It is after all just a different sound. That takes years to acquire
>> 
>> Just a different perspective. It is almost 70 years of experience too.
>> 
>> I own a K2, K3, KX2 and KX3. My DXCC TOTAL is 370. I have not used a beam in the last 30 years.
>> 
>> It?s the operator ! !
>> 
>> Jim
>> W9VNE/VA3VNE
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 24
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 19:19:32 +0000 (UTC)
> From: k7sss at aol.com
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] (OT) Ca Fires
> Message-ID: <467276446.201695.1572722372227 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> ? Hi,
> 
> Just wondering how the CA fires are affecting Elecraft?
> Jim H.k7sss at aol.com
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From marvwheeler at nwlink.com  Sat Nov  2 16:36:52 2019
From: marvwheeler at nwlink.com (marvwheeler at nwlink.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 13:36:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] (OT) Ca Fires
In-Reply-To: <CB3F2C7A-053F-413F-8478-81E9E83A3190@elecraft.com>
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I am glad that Elecraft is not affected. I am sorry that anyone is being
impacted by these devastating fires. I can't imagine, other than being
physically injured or killed, anything that would impact anyone more than
being displaced or having your home and property destroyed by fire.

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] (OT) Ca Fires

No impact that I know of.

Wayne
N6KR


> On Nov 2, 2019, at 12:19 PM, Jim H via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
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>   Hi,
> 
> Just wondering how the CA fires are affecting Elecraft?
> Jim H.k7sss at aol.com
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From hms4 at lehigh.edu  Sat Nov  2 17:12:23 2019
From: hms4 at lehigh.edu (Howard Sherer)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 17:12:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS cable for K30 mini RRK0CBL
Message-ID: <CAFmQ1mtotT2kauPgb1AX3F4miU3gECYMzwL3B2=kLtDAWyMEZw@mail.gmail.com>

FS cable for K30 mini RRK0CBL $35.

Howard Sherer AE3T

From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sat Nov  2 17:28:48 2019
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 13:28:48 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Transceivers vs operators
Message-ID: <201911022128.xA2LSneV019522@mail47c28.carrierzone.com>

Jim, W9VNE/VA3VNE

Certainly the brain is heavily involved in CW "translation".  But 
also the sound transducer (the ear) and the RF converter (the antenna/radio).

High speed CW receiving requires skill in language 
translation.  Those with true multi-linguistic ability "think" in all 
languages vs mere translating.

Long use and immersion are helpful for realizing such skills.  If you 
want to learn Spanish, go to Spain for a few years.  Schools are 
using immersion techniques for learning languages.

Also I have noted skill in multitasking helps with speed.

I'm an engineer.  Engineers are well known for extreme focus to the 
exclusion of outside disturbances/distraction (also called "tunnel 
vision").  Typically poor multi-taskers.

Thus I am terrible using CW, but good at design or 
troubleshooting.  Not good managing multiple tasks. Plus having 
extreme hearing issues so digital modes are easier for me to work 
weak signals.  I do have fine antennas/radios!


73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 


From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sat Nov  2 17:42:03 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 17:42:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 187, Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <775FD9A1-50ED-4017-8FE6-A6429537843F@gmail.com>
References: <775FD9A1-50ED-4017-8FE6-A6429537843F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FE8344E3-F4B7-4F51-996A-3A507BBA6B91@gmail.com>

I take solace in the fact that I still have enough neurons to remember how to open a fine bottle of a very hoppy IPA. Guess I?ve used those a lot  :-)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 2, 2019, at 4:32 PM, Jim Danehy <jsdanehy at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?You learn at an EARLY AGE. Young kids learn to be multi language because of certain NEURONS. There are an abundance of them. Not used they die.

From w3tb.ted at gmail.com  Sat Nov  2 17:52:14 2019
From: w3tb.ted at gmail.com (Ted Edwards W3TB)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 16:52:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 187, Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <FE8344E3-F4B7-4F51-996A-3A507BBA6B91@gmail.com>
References: <775FD9A1-50ED-4017-8FE6-A6429537843F@gmail.com>
	<FE8344E3-F4B7-4F51-996A-3A507BBA6B91@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGhFmThX27e=e3AY3t8CjMQ8GC8axJ+vFymBubnHOhjGQ=L0zA@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting your comment about neurons and learning language.  I have done
well with languages but am now having a very hard time with Welsh.

On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 16:43 Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com> wrote:

> I take solace in the fact that I still have enough neurons to remember how
> to open a fine bottle of a very hoppy IPA. Guess I?ve used those a lot  :-)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 2, 2019, at 4:32 PM, Jim Danehy <jsdanehy at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?You learn at an EARLY AGE. Young kids learn to be multi language
> because of certain NEURONS. There are an abundance of them. Not used they
> die.
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73 de Ted Edwards, W3TB and G?PWW

and thinking about operating CW:
"Do today what others won't,
so you can do tomorrow what others can't."

From jsdanehy at gmail.com  Sat Nov  2 18:00:31 2019
From: jsdanehy at gmail.com (Jim Danehy)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 18:00:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Analysis of a CW COMMUNICATION
Message-ID: <98F86626-E68C-42D3-A0D1-9563C85DF7DA@gmail.com>

Some prefer the challenge of isolating a CW signal in order to decode it.  They use filtering. Eliminating interference is difficult. Interference comes from numerous sources. 

An exchange of call signs is the desired result in a pile up or contest exchange. 

Sending at a lower speed does not improve the probability of accomplishing that communication goal.

CW speed is a critical part of the communication equation. An operator sending at 15 wpm has 1/3 the rate of success than one who sends at 45 wpm.

 The later sends his call 3 times to only one for the slower station. Simple math. It might sound like bragging. A thinking person will understand how critical speed is to a CW operator. Some rely upon filtering. That only gets you so far with the goal. 

I like the improved success that comes adding speed. Bragging ? I like to succeed. I use every tool I have.

Just my way of competing. Some can do it better than others. 

Jim
W9VNE 


Sent from my iPhone

From n7za99 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  2 19:11:04 2019
From: n7za99 at gmail.com (Bruce Wade)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 15:11:04 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 software
Message-ID: <CAHxvV0-zk9kcy92qgQdYYzhM8yrxmdFrA1Nd=VjK+pP06SQ2jw@mail.gmail.com>

Will the K4 run the KCOMM app? If not what will?
Tnx
Bruce Wade

From eric.csuf at gmail.com  Sat Nov  2 19:43:10 2019
From: eric.csuf at gmail.com (EricJ)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 16:43:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Analysis of a CW COMMUNICATION
In-Reply-To: <98F86626-E68C-42D3-A0D1-9563C85DF7DA@gmail.com>
References: <98F86626-E68C-42D3-A0D1-9563C85DF7DA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4e6913b1-177e-2cc1-b654-7e3fd3e9592d@gmail.com>

Sending at the speed of the receiving station is usually the best way to 
improve probability of exchanging call signs.

At 45 wpm, most ham ops need you to send your call three times or more 
to get it so you haven't accomplished much in the way of speedier 
communication. Also simple math.

Eric KE6US

On 11/2/2019 3:00 PM, Jim Danehy wrote:
> Some prefer the challenge of isolating a CW signal in order to decode it.  They use filtering. Eliminating interference is difficult. Interference comes from numerous sources.
>
> An exchange of call signs is the desired result in a pile up or contest exchange.
>
> Sending at a lower speed does not improve the probability of accomplishing that communication goal.
>
> CW speed is a critical part of the communication equation. An operator sending at 15 wpm has 1/3 the rate of success than one who sends at 45 wpm.
>
>   The later sends his call 3 times to only one for the slower station. Simple math. It might sound like bragging. A thinking person will understand how critical speed is to a CW operator. Some rely upon filtering. That only gets you so far with the goal.
>
> I like the improved success that comes adding speed. Bragging ? I like to succeed. I use every tool I have.
>
> Just my way of competing. Some can do it better than others.
>
> Jim
> W9VNE
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From billamader at gmail.com  Sat Nov  2 20:13:11 2019
From: billamader at gmail.com (K8TE)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 17:13:11 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net and time change to Standard time
In-Reply-To: <38949528-8d61-ba14-d4b7-ebee3d974ff0@triconet.org>
References: <596092687.214354.1572697844838@mail.yahoo.com>
	<38949528-8d61-ba14-d4b7-ebee3d974ff0@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <1572739991872-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Use something like Google's Calendar.  Create reminders using UTC for ham
radio and other things that occur based on UTC.  And, unless you use your
memory instead, you'll always get a reminder at the correct time, regardless
of your local time. 

 It's too bad so many time keeping devices account for this no longer
functional time change.  If we discarded the concept, it would take decades
to lose all the stuff that changes automatically.  Daylight Saving Time (not
savings) should have died with Ben Franklin!

73, Bill, K8TE



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From marvwheeler at nwlink.com  Sat Nov  2 20:35:13 2019
From: marvwheeler at nwlink.com (marvwheeler at nwlink.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 17:35:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Analysis of a CW COMMUNICATION
In-Reply-To: <4e6913b1-177e-2cc1-b654-7e3fd3e9592d@gmail.com>
References: <98F86626-E68C-42D3-A0D1-9563C85DF7DA@gmail.com>
	<4e6913b1-177e-2cc1-b654-7e3fd3e9592d@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001d591de$91f49470$b5ddbd50$@nwlink.com>

In addition those sending at 45 wpm miss a lot of Q's because many, many
stations will not respond to them  because they can't copy their callsign.


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of EricJ
Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2019 4:43 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Analysis of a CW COMMUNICATION

Sending at the speed of the receiving station is usually the best way to
improve probability of exchanging call signs.

At 45 wpm, most ham ops need you to send your call three times or more to
get it so you haven't accomplished much in the way of speedier
communication. Also simple math.

Eric KE6US

On 11/2/2019 3:00 PM, Jim Danehy wrote:
> Some prefer the challenge of isolating a CW signal in order to decode it.
They use filtering. Eliminating interference is difficult. Interference
comes from numerous sources.
>
> An exchange of call signs is the desired result in a pile up or contest
exchange.
>
> Sending at a lower speed does not improve the probability of accomplishing
that communication goal.
>
> CW speed is a critical part of the communication equation. An operator
sending at 15 wpm has 1/3 the rate of success than one who sends at 45 wpm.
>
>   The later sends his call 3 times to only one for the slower station.
Simple math. It might sound like bragging. A thinking person will understand
how critical speed is to a CW operator. Some rely upon filtering. That only
gets you so far with the goal.
>
> I like the improved success that comes adding speed. Bragging ? I like to
succeed. I use every tool I have.
>
> Just my way of competing. Some can do it better than others.
>
> Jim
> W9VNE
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From esteptony at gmail.com  Sat Nov  2 21:20:30 2019
From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 20:20:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Analysis of a CW COMMUNICATION
In-Reply-To: <4e6913b1-177e-2cc1-b654-7e3fd3e9592d@gmail.com>
References: <98F86626-E68C-42D3-A0D1-9563C85DF7DA@gmail.com>
	<4e6913b1-177e-2cc1-b654-7e3fd3e9592d@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACHwrmOzY18KDJ6vB4JL37VYNxqiokxrT6q=Y5mui2uDNGxYZg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 6:44 PM EricJ <eric.csuf at gmail.com> wrote:

> ...At 45 wpm, most ham ops need you to send your call three times or
> more...
>
===============
Yeah, it's pretty obvious that sending a call faster and more times isn't
an automatic way to improve end-to-end communication -- you could send it a
lot of times at 100 wpm and work nobody. There's a tradeoff between the
time it takes to send your call, and the probability that the other guy
gets it correct. There's an optimal point on this curve.

Most of the players in DX pileups send at a speed under 30 wpm; the DX
station tends to set the pace. After you participate in thousands of
pileups you recognize that the consistently successful DXers have a lot of
skillful strategies for getting their call through, and sending faster is
not one of them. Neither is sending your call more than twice, max.

DXpeditioners who have been on the other end will attest that there's very
little likelihood of a guy sending at 40 or above having his call copied
among the screaming, howling pile.

Tony KT0NY

From ve5ra at sasktel.net  Sat Nov  2 21:35:51 2019
From: ve5ra at sasktel.net (Doug Renwick)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 19:35:51 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] (OT) Ca Fires
In-Reply-To: <CB3F2C7A-053F-413F-8478-81E9E83A3190@elecraft.com>
References: <467276446.201695.1572722372227.ref@mail.yahoo.com><467276446.201695.1572722372227@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CB3F2C7A-053F-413F-8478-81E9E83A3190@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <DEECD38C8CC34C34BC8038971F70D176@DOUG8PC>

The big question is 'how much longer can Elecraft survive in California and
have to move elsewhere".
Doug


-----Original Message-----

Subject: Re: [Elecraft] (OT) Ca Fires

No impact that I know of.

Wayne
N6KR

> On Nov 2, 2019, at 12:19 PM, Jim H via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
wrote:
> 
>   Hi,
> 
> Just wondering how the CA fires are affecting Elecraft?
> Jim H.k7sss at aol.com


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From xdavid at cis-broadband.com  Sat Nov  2 21:37:19 2019
From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 18:37:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Analysis of a CW COMMUNICATION
In-Reply-To: <98F86626-E68C-42D3-A0D1-9563C85DF7DA@gmail.com>
References: <98F86626-E68C-42D3-A0D1-9563C85DF7DA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01b816b8-12c4-328a-eaab-c84656b016b3@cis-broadband.com>


I don't care what you say ... higher speed does not necessarily 
translate to better communication.? In fact, as I demonstrated here* and 
as countless 160m ops will attest, lower speed is typically more 
intelligible under conditions of low S/N ratio:

 ?*?? http://www.ab7e.com/weak_signal/Callsigns20-25-30-35wpm.mp3

And as others here have said, you dramatically cut down your pool of 
likely respondents if you insist on operating above 45 WPM in a contest, 
and if you're sending your call three times in a row in a pileup you're 
just an unnecessary part of the QRM.

Dave?? AB7E



On 11/2/2019 3:00 PM, Jim Danehy wrote:
> Some prefer the challenge of isolating a CW signal in order to decode it.  They use filtering. Eliminating interference is difficult. Interference comes from numerous sources.
>
> An exchange of call signs is the desired result in a pile up or contest exchange.
>
> Sending at a lower speed does not improve the probability of accomplishing that communication goal.
>
> CW speed is a critical part of the communication equation. An operator sending at 15 wpm has 1/3 the rate of success than one who sends at 45 wpm.
>
>   The later sends his call 3 times to only one for the slower station. Simple math. It might sound like bragging. A thinking person will understand how critical speed is to a CW operator. Some rely upon filtering. That only gets you so far with the goal.
>
> I like the improved success that comes adding speed. Bragging ? I like to succeed. I use every tool I have.
>
> Just my way of competing. Some can do it better than others.
>
> Jim
> W9VNE
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From W2xj at w2xj.net  Sat Nov  2 21:53:25 2019
From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 21:53:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] (OT) Ca Fires
In-Reply-To: <DEECD38C8CC34C34BC8038971F70D176@DOUG8PC>
References: <DEECD38C8CC34C34BC8038971F70D176@DOUG8PC>
Message-ID: <30F1D1E6-A1F3-4B64-9078-3FB8D0BD8C7D@w2xj.net>

i think a bit of an over reaction. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 2, 2019, at 9:37 PM, Doug Renwick <ve5ra at sasktel.net> wrote:
> 
> ?The big question is 'how much longer can Elecraft survive in California and
> have to move elsewhere".
> Doug
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] (OT) Ca Fires
> 
> No impact that I know of.
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
>>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 12:19 PM, Jim H via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>  Hi,
>> 
>> Just wondering how the CA fires are affecting Elecraft?
>> Jim H.k7sss at aol.com
> 
> 
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From KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Sat Nov  2 22:05:08 2019
From: KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 19:05:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] (OT) Ca Fires
In-Reply-To: <DEECD38C8CC34C34BC8038971F70D176@DOUG8PC>
References: <467276446.201695.1572722372227.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<467276446.201695.1572722372227@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CB3F2C7A-053F-413F-8478-81E9E83A3190@elecraft.com>
	<DEECD38C8CC34C34BC8038971F70D176@DOUG8PC>
Message-ID: <d1510779-ef3e-5c06-4aee-f5bfceca17bc@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

I've lived in California for a few decades.

I've evacuated three times due to wildfires, all of them coming closer 
than I'd like.

I have never lost a single thing due to fire -- just some sleepless nights.

The power situation (especially in PG&E territory) is a different story, 
but one that's manageable.

73 -- Lynn

On 11/2/2019 6:35 PM, Doug Renwick wrote:
> The big question is 'how much longer can Elecraft survive in California and
> have to move elsewhere".
> Doug

From john at t6ee.com  Sat Nov  2 22:08:49 2019
From: john at t6ee.com (John Kountz)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 02:08:49 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] SSB net?  What SSB net?
Message-ID: <DM6PR07MB5161A528D03D261421937776F47C0@DM6PR07MB5161.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

In fumbling winnowing through Elecraft Digest Vol 187, Issue 4, I came across Item 16, a  cryptic entry concerning an SSB net.  I have to admit I was certain such a net would exist but the frequency, time and day for said net are not clearly spelled out.  What are the specifics for this net??
John Kountz, WO1S


From hms4 at lehigh.edu  Sat Nov  2 22:29:34 2019
From: hms4 at lehigh.edu (Howard Sherer)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 22:29:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft cable has been sold
Message-ID: <F8185DBA-E76B-43A1-8E60-155758DB0F23@lehigh.edu>



Howard Sherer

From randyh at greywolfstudios.com  Sat Nov  2 22:50:50 2019
From: randyh at greywolfstudios.com (Randy Heise)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 19:50:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Analysis of a CW COMMUNICATION
In-Reply-To: <000001d591de$91f49470$b5ddbd50$@nwlink.com>
References: <000001d591de$91f49470$b5ddbd50$@nwlink.com>
Message-ID: <B60A0474-1D5C-4873-99AA-B2E40021946C@greywolfstudios.com>

As a 20wpm Extra of advancing age, I admit I can no longer copy at 35. In fact, I will also admit that now days I begin to have trouble at around 20. 

I?m not a contester, but what I?ve taken to doing is haunting the Novice bands. I answer CQ?s about 2 to 3wpm faster than they?re being sent. I do it to honor the Extras/Advanced/Generals that ?Elmered? me some 55 years ago.

Try it! It?s a lot of fun.

Yeah, I know ... kinda off-topic! But this website is about building things! We can also build the next generation of CW operators.

Randy, NB7E

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 2, 2019, at 5:37 PM, marvwheeler at nwlink.com wrote:
> 
> ?In addition those sending at 45 wpm miss a lot of Q's because many, many
> stations will not respond to them  because they can't copy their callsign.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
> Behalf Of EricJ
> Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2019 4:43 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Analysis of a CW COMMUNICATION
> 
> Sending at the speed of the receiving station is usually the best way to
> improve probability of exchanging call signs.
> 
> At 45 wpm, most ham ops need you to send your call three times or more to
> get it so you haven't accomplished much in the way of speedier
> communication. Also simple math.
> 
> Eric KE6US
> 
>> On 11/2/2019 3:00 PM, Jim Danehy wrote:
>> Some prefer the challenge of isolating a CW signal in order to decode it.
> They use filtering. Eliminating interference is difficult. Interference
> comes from numerous sources.
>> 
>> An exchange of call signs is the desired result in a pile up or contest
> exchange.
>> 
>> Sending at a lower speed does not improve the probability of accomplishing
> that communication goal.
>> 
>> CW speed is a critical part of the communication equation. An operator
> sending at 15 wpm has 1/3 the rate of success than one who sends at 45 wpm.
>> 
>>  The later sends his call 3 times to only one for the slower station.
> Simple math. It might sound like bragging. A thinking person will understand
> how critical speed is to a CW operator. Some rely upon filtering. That only
> gets you so far with the goal.
>> 
>> I like the improved success that comes adding speed. Bragging ? I like to
> succeed. I use every tool I have.
>> 
>> Just my way of competing. Some can do it better than others.
>> 
>> Jim
>> W9VNE
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Nov  2 23:00:36 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 22:00:36 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Analysis of a CW COMMUNICATION
In-Reply-To: <B60A0474-1D5C-4873-99AA-B2E40021946C@greywolfstudios.com>
References: <000001d591de$91f49470$b5ddbd50$@nwlink.com>
	<B60A0474-1D5C-4873-99AA-B2E40021946C@greywolfstudios.com>
Message-ID: <4e2d8dde-8301-f2fb-1f3c-41c634858123@blomand.net>

It is wise to listen to CW stations across the band and determine what 
speed they are running.? Then operate at the speed that MOST of the 
stations are using.? This will get the MOST responses.

I used the trial version of CW Skimmer for this purpose recently.??? I 
have other software that will do the same.?? I find MOST stations are 
running 20 to 25 WPM with fewer below and a few above that.?? Of course 
you will always find the 40WPM+ stations and a few at 10 WPM.? Those are 
the exceptions.?? The average speed is where the MOST contacts will be 
made.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 11/2/2019 9:50 PM, Randy Heise wrote:
> As a 20wpm Extra of advancing age, I admit I can no longer copy at 35. In fact, I will also admit that now days I begin to have trouble at around 20.
>
> I?m not a contester, but what I?ve taken to doing is haunting the Novice bands. I answer CQ?s about 2 to 3wpm faster than they?re being sent. I do it to honor the Extras/Advanced/Generals that ?Elmered? me some 55 years ago.
>
> Try it! It?s a lot of fun.
>
> Yeah, I know ... kinda off-topic! But this website is about building things! We can also build the next generation of CW operators.
>
> Randy, NB7E
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 5:37 PM, marvwheeler at nwlink.com wrote:
>>
>> ?In addition those sending at 45 wpm miss a lot of Q's because many, many
>> stations will not respond to them  because they can't copy their callsign.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
>> Behalf Of EricJ
>> Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2019 4:43 PM
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Analysis of a CW COMMUNICATION
>>
>> Sending at the speed of the receiving station is usually the best way to
>> improve probability of exchanging call signs.
>>
>> At 45 wpm, most ham ops need you to send your call three times or more to
>> get it so you haven't accomplished much in the way of speedier
>> communication. Also simple math.
>>
>> Eric KE6US
>>
>>> On 11/2/2019 3:00 PM, Jim Danehy wrote:
>>> Some prefer the challenge of isolating a CW signal in order to decode it.
>> They use filtering. Eliminating interference is difficult. Interference
>> comes from numerous sources.
>>> An exchange of call signs is the desired result in a pile up or contest
>> exchange.
>>> Sending at a lower speed does not improve the probability of accomplishing
>> that communication goal.
>>> CW speed is a critical part of the communication equation. An operator
>> sending at 15 wpm has 1/3 the rate of success than one who sends at 45 wpm.
>>>   The later sends his call 3 times to only one for the slower station.
>> Simple math. It might sound like bragging. A thinking person will understand
>> how critical speed is to a CW operator. Some rely upon filtering. That only
>> gets you so far with the goal.
>>> I like the improved success that comes adding speed. Bragging ? I like to
>> succeed. I use every tool I have.
>>> Just my way of competing. Some can do it better than others.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>> W9VNE
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sat Nov  2 23:03:50 2019
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 22:03:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] (OT) Ca Fires
In-Reply-To: <d1510779-ef3e-5c06-4aee-f5bfceca17bc@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <467276446.201695.1572722372227.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<467276446.201695.1572722372227@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CB3F2C7A-053F-413F-8478-81E9E83A3190@elecraft.com>
	<DEECD38C8CC34C34BC8038971F70D176@DOUG8PC>
	<d1510779-ef3e-5c06-4aee-f5bfceca17bc@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <BEAED557-6F4D-4D6C-B6E6-327E7281E160@wunderwood.org>

The positive part of a power shutoff is the elimination of nearby RFI. Run from battery and you can hear the world.

Unfortunately, some people have lost nearly everything. A good friend of ours lost his house in the Tubbs Fire (Santa Rosa), has moved into gtheir newly rebuilt house, and had to evacuate last week. This time, they had enough warning and a pre-organized list.

He wrote an amazing graphic memoir about it. If you?d like to get a feel for how that impacted people, I highly recommend ?A Fire Story? by Brian Fies.

https://smile.amazon.com/Fire-Story-Brian-Fies/dp/1419735853

Our local public radio station produced a video with the first part of the story and narration by Brian.

https://www.kqed.org/arts/13813960/watch-a-santa-rosa-cartoonists-a-fire-story-come-to-life

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Nov 2, 2019, at 9:05 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT <KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> wrote:
> 
> I've lived in California for a few decades.
> 
> I've evacuated three times due to wildfires, all of them coming closer than I'd like.
> 
> I have never lost a single thing due to fire -- just some sleepless nights.
> 
> The power situation (especially in PG&E territory) is a different story, but one that's manageable.
> 
> 73 -- Lynn
> 
> On 11/2/2019 6:35 PM, Doug Renwick wrote:
>> The big question is 'how much longer can Elecraft survive in California and
>> have to move elsewhere".
>> Doug
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sat Nov  2 23:28:44 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 20:28:44 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <97160ac2-ef01-8c0c-3fe1-73c8aca89419@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? Remember the time change this week.? Both nets will start an hour 
earlier if you use your local time as a reference.? But if you use UTC 
to reckon time there is no change.? I tried this last year and it better 
fit the propagation than did the previous method where the local time 
remained the same while the UTC time changed.? If the propagation does 
not cooperate we'll try the old ways.? Whichever works.? The forty meter 
net time may change over the winter too.? Propagation is so fickle 
during the doldrums it is hard to make better plans.

 ?? After numerous attempts I finally found my SW corner post.? It is 
partially embedded in an alder tree.? I better cut that tree down before 
I lose it entirely.? Most of the southern border to my property is a 
dense thicket of young hemlock trees.? But north of that the trees are 
taller and more open with salal (/Gaultheria shallon/) and Oregon grape 
(/Mahonia aquifolium/) covering the ground.? Further north the trees are 
even taller and the canopy is mostly continuous.? I flushed a few grouse 
but the day was so still they broke cover a few hundred feet away. 
Normally they prefer the land to the east where the snowberries 
(/Symphoricarpos albus/) grow.? Maybe they were eating the Oregon 
grape.? Not real grapes but you can make jam out of them.


Please join us tomorrow on:

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday? (2 PM PST Sunday)
 ?7047 kHz at 0000z Monday? (4 PM PST Sunday)

73,

 ?? Kevin. KD5ONS

-


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sun Nov  3 01:29:43 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 22:29:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] (OT) Ca Fires
In-Reply-To: <DEECD38C8CC34C34BC8038971F70D176@DOUG8PC>
References: <467276446.201695.1572722372227.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<467276446.201695.1572722372227@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CB3F2C7A-053F-413F-8478-81E9E83A3190@elecraft.com>
	<DEECD38C8CC34C34BC8038971F70D176@DOUG8PC>
Message-ID: <F9831B22-2F2C-4570-8402-A424F817F2D1@elecraft.com>

We Californians are used to unboring. We love it here. 

Disasters? Bring it. Great for KX2/3 testing :)

Wayne
N6KR

----
elecraft.com

> On Nov 2, 2019, at 6:35 PM, Doug Renwick <ve5ra at sasktel.net> wrote:
> 
> The big question is 'how much longer can Elecraft survive in California and
> have to move elsewhere".
> Doug
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] (OT) Ca Fires
> 
> No impact that I know of.
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 12:19 PM, Jim H via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> wrote:
>> 
>>  Hi,
>> 
>> Just wondering how the CA fires are affecting Elecraft?
>> Jim H.k7sss at aol.com
> 
> 
> -- 
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> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sun Nov  3 01:59:04 2019
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 07:59:04 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Analysis of a CW COMMUNICATION
In-Reply-To: <CACHwrmOzY18KDJ6vB4JL37VYNxqiokxrT6q=Y5mui2uDNGxYZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACHwrmOzY18KDJ6vB4JL37VYNxqiokxrT6q=Y5mui2uDNGxYZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A7613733-184D-43C5-9A15-820FE40AC76D@gmail.com>

I participate in in the weekly mini-contests sponsored by CWOps, called CWTs. I generally operate in the 1 hour session at 0300 UTC. At that time, most of my contacts will be in North America. Naturally my signal will be weaker there than most of the competition, so I mostly search and pounce. I have found that requests for repeats or miscopies of my call (which is different from what most of the operators are primed to expect) increase rapidly when I call at more than about 27 wpm.
Just a data point.

Victor 4X6GP 

> On 3 Nov 2019, at 3:20, Tony Estep <esteptony at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 6:44 PM EricJ <eric.csuf at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> ...At 45 wpm, most ham ops need you to send your call three times or
>> more...
>> 
> ===============
> Yeah, it's pretty obvious that sending a call faster and more times isn't
> an automatic way to improve end-to-end communication -- you could send it a
> lot of times at 100 wpm and work nobody. There's a tradeoff between the
> time it takes to send your call, and the probability that the other guy
> gets it correct. There's an optimal point on this curve.
> 
> Most of the players in DX pileups send at a speed under 30 wpm; the DX
> station tends to set the pace. After you participate in thousands of
> pileups you recognize that the consistently successful DXers have a lot of
> skillful strategies for getting their call through, and sending faster is
> not one of them. Neither is sending your call more than twice, max.
> 
> DXpeditioners who have been on the other end will attest that there's very
> little likelihood of a guy sending at 40 or above having his call copied
> among the screaming, howling pile.
> 
> Tony KT0NY
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Nov  3 02:04:40 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 00:04:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] (OT) Ca Fires
In-Reply-To: <d1510779-ef3e-5c06-4aee-f5bfceca17bc@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <467276446.201695.1572722372227.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<467276446.201695.1572722372227@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CB3F2C7A-053F-413F-8478-81E9E83A3190@elecraft.com>
	<DEECD38C8CC34C34BC8038971F70D176@DOUG8PC>
	<d1510779-ef3e-5c06-4aee-f5bfceca17bc@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <cb917b99-3428-69e2-7018-92911c778385@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 11/2/2019 7:05 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
> The power situation (especially in PG&E territory) is a different story, 
> but one that's manageable.

Really? You do realize that PG&E's distribution system has been badly 
neglected for decades, and has long been an accident ready to happen. 
And most of it is bare copper, making it more likely to start a fire. 
All because management CHOSE not to maintain it, instead paying 
themselves big salaries and bonuses, paying dividends to investors, and 
buying back stock. The result is that correcting the problem requires a 
MASSIVE investment and a massive amount of work that will takes decades 
to complete, and years to even begin!

As to Elecraft - many of their employees live in areas that WERE 
affected by the power shutoffs. Some are my neighbors. Our generators 
have gotten a lot of running time in the past week or so.

73, Jim K9YC


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Nov  3 02:08:04 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 00:08:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] (OT) Ca Fires
In-Reply-To: <BEAED557-6F4D-4D6C-B6E6-327E7281E160@wunderwood.org>
References: <467276446.201695.1572722372227.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<467276446.201695.1572722372227@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CB3F2C7A-053F-413F-8478-81E9E83A3190@elecraft.com>
	<DEECD38C8CC34C34BC8038971F70D176@DOUG8PC>
	<d1510779-ef3e-5c06-4aee-f5bfceca17bc@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<BEAED557-6F4D-4D6C-B6E6-327E7281E160@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <e2e98058-2ad6-6877-5706-04b0e2dbf823@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 11/2/2019 8:03 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
> The positive part of a power shutoff is the elimination of nearby RFI.

YES! During the shutoff, as I always do, I set the lower limit of the P3 
at the noise level. When I turned it on after power was restored, it was 
about 15 dB higher!

73, Jim K9YC

From dm5tu at verschalter.de  Sun Nov  3 02:20:36 2019
From: dm5tu at verschalter.de (DM5TU - sTef)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 08:20:36 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: 1 ppm TCXO calibration - Methode 3 - Data sheet
 missing from ELECRAFT
Message-ID: <76E428D9-2DB0-4B49-B601-CB800DD70BF4@verschalter.de>

Hi Gang, Hi ELECRAFT,

I own a K3 S/N 3783. 

Due to the the discontinuing of the K3 I now ordered the 1 ppm TCXO. All came in well as expected, except of one important piece of information. 
Referring to my original paper printed K3 manual Rev. D Sept. 2009 page 50 "Reference Oscillator" there are 3 methods to calibrate the TCXO.

Using the mentioned "Method 3 (1 ppm TCXO option)" the manufacture delivers a data sheet which has to be used to calibrate the 1 ppm TCXO.

But there is no data sheet delivered by ELECRAFT.....
Methode 1 und 2 are NO sophisticated ways for me to calibrate such a 1 ppm TCXO.

Two questions, please:

1. Can someone from ELECRAFT please give me an explanation on that issue?
2. Would the calibration of the 1 ppm TCXO be obsolet when installing the external reference option K3EXREF?

As ever tnx for your replies

vy 72/3 de DM5TU - OM sTef
... -.- 

DM5TU/VY1QRP - GQRP #8769 - DL-QRP-AG *GM* - CalQRP #034 - NAP #1607 - DM5TU @ TWITTER <http://twitter.com/dm5tu> 

From turnbull at net1.ie  Sun Nov  3 04:27:06 2019
From: turnbull at net1.ie (turnbull)
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2019 09:27:06 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] (OT) Ca Fires
In-Reply-To: <F9831B22-2F2C-4570-8402-A424F817F2D1@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <5dbe9d6c.1c69fb81.eefc7.41b7@mx.google.com>

Whatever about fire and earthquakes, the weather is good and the state has jobs.? ?There are reasons to refer to CA as the "Golden State".73 Doug EI2CNSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> Date: 03/11/2019  05:29  (GMT+00:00) To: Doug Renwick <ve5ra at sasktel.net> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] (OT) Ca Fires We Californians are used to unboring. We love it here. Disasters? Bring it. Great for KX2/3 testing :)WayneN6KR----elecraft.com> On Nov 2, 2019, at 6:35 PM, Doug Renwick <ve5ra at sasktel.net> wrote:> > The big question is 'how much longer can Elecraft survive in California and> have to move elsewhere".> Doug> > > -----Original Message-----> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] (OT) Ca Fires> > No impact that I know of.> > Wayne> N6KR> >> On Nov 2, 2019, at 12:19 PM, Jim H via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>> wrote:>> >>? Hi,>> >> Just wondering how the CA fires are affecting Elecraft?>> Jim H.k7sss at aol.com> > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.> https://www.avast.com/antivirus> ______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to turnbull at net1.ie 

From dave at nk7z.net  Sun Nov  3 07:30:20 2019
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 04:30:20 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] (OT) Ca Fires
In-Reply-To: <e2e98058-2ad6-6877-5706-04b0e2dbf823@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <467276446.201695.1572722372227.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<467276446.201695.1572722372227@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CB3F2C7A-053F-413F-8478-81E9E83A3190@elecraft.com>
	<DEECD38C8CC34C34BC8038971F70D176@DOUG8PC>
	<d1510779-ef3e-5c06-4aee-f5bfceca17bc@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<BEAED557-6F4D-4D6C-B6E6-327E7281E160@wunderwood.org>
	<e2e98058-2ad6-6877-5706-04b0e2dbf823@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <1019124e-c3a8-6d9a-450a-2ecbd2fb20b1@nk7z.net>

I do the same thing every power fail, and I see about a 15 to 20 db drop 
in noise as well...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 11/3/19 12:08 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 11/2/2019 8:03 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
>> The positive part of a power shutoff is the elimination of nearby RFI.
> 
> YES! During the shutoff, as I always do, I set the lower limit of the P3 
> at the noise level. When I turned it on after power was restored, it was 
> about 15 dB higher!
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From casualobservertwo at msn.com  Sun Nov  3 07:38:25 2019
From: casualobservertwo at msn.com (David Fuchs)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 05:38:25 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] WANTED New K2 Envlosure
Message-ID: <1572784705500-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

I am looking for a new K2 Enclosure to house an external speaker.
Any Suggestions?

Thank You
Casualobservertwo at msn.com



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From k1tl at cox.net  Sun Nov  3 08:14:23 2019
From: k1tl at cox.net (Tom Lizak)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 08:14:23 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Analysis of a CW Communication
Message-ID: <001f01d59248$9dc435c0$d94ca140$@net>

There was a sign posted in the operating area @ WCC/Chatham Radio, Chatham
MA and it said:   "SPEED IS ESSENTIAL, BUT ACCURACY PARAMOUNT" ......my
$0.02 worth !

 

Try sitting down for eight (8) hours on MF (500KHz) during the summer months
as I have done frequently while @ WPA/Port Arthur TX working for RCA !

 

73

Tom/K1TL...


From gdanner12 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  3 08:46:31 2019
From: gdanner12 at gmail.com (George)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 08:46:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
In-Reply-To: <20191102185157.406DE149B462@mail.qsl.net>
References: <20191102185157.406DE149B462@mail.qsl.net>
Message-ID: <62E75EB4E2D7454BBD9AA35CCE51CF0A@GeorgenLouise>

All,
In 1998 we replaced a 1955 1,000' Stainless Tower. It was located in 
Lantana, Florida - probably 15 miles of so from the Atlantic Ocean.
We did paint the tower often but never did any maintenance on the guy wire 
hardware.
The tower used galvanized hardware. The hardware on the tower and guy wires 
were original.
Our tower maintenance company did use a penetration lubricate before they 
adjusted guy tensions.
We had the tensions checked during the annual inspection; But only adjusted 
a couple times in the 35 years I was there.

73
George  AI4VZ


-----Original Message----- 
From: rv6amark via Elecraft
Re: "Rohn tower hardware is hot dipped galvanized steel.  I'd take their 
knowledge over any "tower guy" or any other person for that matter 


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sun Nov  3 08:58:30 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 07:58:30 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
In-Reply-To: <62E75EB4E2D7454BBD9AA35CCE51CF0A@GeorgenLouise>
References: <20191102185157.406DE149B462@mail.qsl.net>
	<62E75EB4E2D7454BBD9AA35CCE51CF0A@GeorgenLouise>
Message-ID: <115406BB-1DB1-465A-A8AE-C142C61D3077@blomand.net>

Clarification, Stainless Tower company builds steel towers. They are NOT stainless steel.  

We had a 350 ft Stainless tower at WDXN in Clarksville TN.  It was a challenge to climb as the horizontal members were 3ft apart. That's a tall step. 

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 3, 2019, at 7:46 AM, George <gdanner12 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> All,
> In 1998 we replaced a 1955 1,000' Stainless Tower. It was located in Lantana, Florida - probably 15 miles of so from the Atlantic Ocean.
> We did paint the tower often but never did any maintenance on the guy wire hardware.
> The tower used galvanized hardware. The hardware on the tower and guy wires were original.
> Our tower maintenance company did use a penetration lubricate before they adjusted guy tensions.
> We had the tensions checked during the annual inspection; But only adjusted a couple times in the 35 years I was there.
> 
> 73
> George  AI4VZ
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: rv6amark via Elecraft
> Re: "Rohn tower hardware is hot dipped galvanized steel.  I'd take their knowledge over any "tower guy" or any other person for that matter 
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From jsdanehy at gmail.com  Sun Nov  3 10:31:19 2019
From: jsdanehy at gmail.com (Jim Danehy)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 10:31:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL SS
Message-ID: <8E23588E-4411-442C-AAA2-02AB659F4167@gmail.com>

I got an opportunity to use my K2 this weekend. CW  Contests stir up a lot of CW activity. Excellent CW operating on display in the CW SS. I no longer compete. So the reason I get on is to look for FRIENDS. 
When you do what I did today narrow filtering is detrimental to my goal. Work old friends. Tuning the K2 in its widest filter was desirable. I heard more.

I heard a Iot more with a wide pass band. I was separating stations that were CLOSE to each other. Well how do you do that without narrow filtering being used ?

First there is already some separation because you can?t separate zero beat stations. Second the differences these signals possess are the key. What are those differences ? 

Well tonal is one. That is an acoustical term. Some people are tone deaf. Difficult for them to distinguish one tone from another if they are too close in frequency

Another difference is counter intuitive. That occurs when a weaker signal is easily copied when contrasted to a nearby stronger one. The strength DIFFERENCE is the distinguishing factor. That is a remarkable separation factor. But it works for many CW operators. It might sound boastful if I claimed I alone could do it. 

Another significant factor is the speed of the characters being sent. That helps along with an acoustical difference and that weak versus loud in strength.

That is how many good ops scan for friends (or a multiplier) in a contest.
Open up your ELECTRONIC EARS. Don?t narrow them 

I built my K2 eighteen years ago. I have traveled with it to the Caribbean too. See a photo of it under QRZ dot COM for VQ5FOC. Elecraft thought so much of the photo they have it in their gallery.  Gosh there I go again. 

The folks at Elecraft have established a great brand. Now that is boastful. Well deserved too. 

Live and learn just subscribe to a reflector where we can learn. Thanks to the folks at Elecraft. I hope they are safe from the fires.

W9VNE/VQ5FOC 

Sent from my iPhone

From KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Sun Nov  3 11:53:34 2019
From: KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 08:53:34 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] (OT) Ca Fires
In-Reply-To: <cb917b99-3428-69e2-7018-92911c778385@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <467276446.201695.1572722372227.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<467276446.201695.1572722372227@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CB3F2C7A-053F-413F-8478-81E9E83A3190@elecraft.com>
	<DEECD38C8CC34C34BC8038971F70D176@DOUG8PC>
	<d1510779-ef3e-5c06-4aee-f5bfceca17bc@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<cb917b99-3428-69e2-7018-92911c778385@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <832def78-e67b-86bc-3f8b-b5bbfe8f11c5@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

Yes, Jim, I do realize that a lot of the problem is PG&E making poor 
choices to benefit investors and not provide safe power.  They do the 
same with natural gas.

SCE is better, but they're hardening their grid, fixing the problems you 
mentioned, and we've had lots of maintenance outages to replace poles.

You mention generators, and that makes my point:

The problem is manageable.  A small generator can solve a lot of 
problems at a fairly low cost.

I don't need much power for lighting, and have a number of battery 
powered camping lamps that work great.  Candles too.

My internet connection and servers are mission critical to me, but 
that's 80 watts total.

If it's below freezing, I want to be able to run the furnace at least 
part time.

My refrigerator and freezer are important, but not critical.

I can get by with about 2kw.  I think the Ryobi 2300 I have was $600.

I can go a couple of hours without power easily before I need to start 
thinking about the generator.

Siphoning gas from the cars works -- and has been tested, new cars are 
harder to tap for gas.

73 -- Lynn

On 11/3/2019 12:04 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
> As to Elecraft - many of their employees live in areas that WERE 
> affected by the power shutoffs. Some are my neighbors. Our generators 
> have gotten a lot of running time in the past week or so.

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Nov  3 14:14:56 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 11:14:56 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL SS
In-Reply-To: <8E23588E-4411-442C-AAA2-02AB659F4167@gmail.com>
References: <8E23588E-4411-442C-AAA2-02AB659F4167@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c3fbf24b-3bd6-eba3-f38a-a3fd2cb321e1@foothill.net>

Old Sparks' trick for weak signals in noise ... remove the cans from 
your head and lay them on the table next to the mill facing up.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 11/3/2019 7:31 AM, Jim Danehy wrote:
> I got an opportunity to use my K2 this weekend. CW  Contests stir up a lot of CW activity. Excellent CW operating on display in the CW SS. I no longer compete. So the reason I get on is to look for FRIENDS.
> When you do what I did today narrow filtering is detrimental to my goal. Work old friends. Tuning the K2 in its widest filter was desirable. I heard more.
>
> I heard a Iot more with a wide pass band. I was separating stations that were CLOSE to each other. Well how do you do that without narrow filtering being used ?
>
> First there is already some separation because you can?t separate zero beat stations. Second the differences these signals possess are the key. What are those differences ?
>
> Well tonal is one. That is an acoustical term. Some people are tone deaf. Difficult for them to distinguish one tone from another if they are too close in frequency
>
> Another difference is counter intuitive. That occurs when a weaker signal is easily copied when contrasted to a nearby stronger one. The strength DIFFERENCE is the distinguishing factor. That is a remarkable separation factor. But it works for many CW operators. It might sound boastful if I claimed I alone could do it.
>
> Another significant factor is the speed of the characters being sent. That helps along with an acoustical difference and that weak versus loud in strength.
>
> That is how many good ops scan for friends (or a multiplier) in a contest.
> Open up your ELECTRONIC EARS. Don?t narrow them
>
> I built my K2 eighteen years ago. I have traveled with it to the Caribbean too. See a photo of it under QRZ dot COM for VQ5FOC. Elecraft thought so much of the photo they have it in their gallery.  Gosh there I go again.
>
> The folks at Elecraft have established a great brand. Now that is boastful. Well deserved too.
>
> Live and learn just subscribe to a reflector where we can learn. Thanks to the folks at Elecraft. I hope they are safe from the fires.
>
> W9VNE/VQ5FOC
>
>


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Nov  3 14:22:13 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 11:22:13 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Analysis of a CW Communication
In-Reply-To: <001f01d59248$9dc435c0$d94ca140$@net>
References: <001f01d59248$9dc435c0$d94ca140$@net>
Message-ID: <35ce2b89-a0a4-4073-5cbc-c93643cd340a@foothill.net>

Non-revenue chatter on the marine CW frequencies in the 50's ran 
anywhere from 10 to 35-40 WPM.? The Company urged revenue traffic in the 
18-20 WPM range.? They'd found that speed range maximized traffic 
throughput over time.? Of course, revenue traffic was almost always 
longer than "5NN TU". [:-)

Yep, a few hours on the Holy Frequency could lead to a persistent headache.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 11/3/2019 5:14 AM, Tom Lizak wrote:
> There was a sign posted in the operating area @ WCC/Chatham Radio, Chatham
> MA and it said:   "SPEED IS ESSENTIAL, BUT ACCURACY PARAMOUNT" ......my
> $0.02 worth !
>
> Try sitting down for eight (8) hours on MF (500KHz) during the summer months
> as I have done frequently while @ WPA/Port Arthur TX working for RC
>
> 73
>
> Tom/K1TL...


From w2kj at bellsouth.net  Sun Nov  3 14:43:52 2019
From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joseph Trombino, Jr)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 14:43:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] SPAM Filter TEST
References: <CCD3C9AB-52B2-4BFE-8345-16D99911E5B6.ref@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <CCD3C9AB-52B2-4BFE-8345-16D99911E5B6@bellsouth.net>

TEST

			73, Joe W2KJ
			I QRP, therefore I am

From pa3a at xs4all.nl  Sun Nov  3 15:27:14 2019
From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 21:27:14 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Analysis of a CW Communication
In-Reply-To: <35ce2b89-a0a4-4073-5cbc-c93643cd340a@foothill.net>
References: <001f01d59248$9dc435c0$d94ca140$@net>
	<35ce2b89-a0a4-4073-5cbc-c93643cd340a@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <4687f51e-f93f-a262-0412-8def0e5b6213@xs4all.nl>

I still miss that 500 kHz chatter

73,
Arie PA3A
Sparks on several ships using the good old ARRL deluxe keyer

------------------------
<snips>
> Non-revenue chatter on the marine CW frequencies in the 50's ran 
> anywhere from 10 to 35-40 WPM.? The Company urged revenue traffic in 
> the 18-20 WPM range.? They'd found that speed range maximized traffic 
> throughput over time.? Of course, revenue traffic was almost always 
> longer than "5NN TU". [:-)
>
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
>
>>
>> Try sitting down for eight (8) hours on MF (500KHz) during the summer 
>> months
>> as I have done frequently while @ WPA/Port Arthur TX working for RC
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Tom/K1TL...
>
>
<snips>

From jsdanehy at gmail.com  Sun Nov  3 15:59:27 2019
From: jsdanehy at gmail.com (Jim Danehy)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 15:59:27 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] My last word on operating
Message-ID: <46DFCFDB-42B9-4791-B1F6-8B5D5B703726@gmail.com>

Human Nature : people hear & read what they want to hear. Having participated in contests for over 65 years I have had some experience.

I never wrote or suggested here that it would be prudent to operate at QRQ speeds. I used some hyperbole to demonstrate  that speed Is part of the efficiency of communication. Contrasting the differential in several elements of a CW signal. They are : speed, tone and strength. Only a fool would send at a speed beyond the average of what most can copy. Hyperbole allows comparisons. I stated my ability to indicate I have some experience at QRQ. My normal speed is 28 in contests. Look and you will see I used the word analysis. What factors do you analyze ? Look up above. Filtering was the topic not speed. Some lost sight.

Stronger is not always better. We used to short out our filters in the power supply to have a distinct nite. Speed can help. You study the 3 factors. Too much for some.
You do not purchase ability. There are some operators who were known for their distinctive fists. Speed being the easiest to recognize and control. KH6IJ , Nose was known for that trait. Recognizable immediately. After that it was a report. Nothing complex.

End of story.

Spent several hours with my prized K2 today in SS Contest.  Filter as wide as it could be. Never heard a CHECK being sent that was as old as mine! Mine is 52 (age). There I go boasting again.

W9VNE 
Sent from my iPhone

From koskojw at hotmail.com  Sun Nov  3 16:03:13 2019
From: koskojw at hotmail.com (John Kosko)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 21:03:13 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Where's my Elecraft reflector?
Message-ID: <BYAPR04MB5304FF0384BDFD1233E44B3AA17C0@BYAPR04MB5304.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hi,
I don?t know why, but I haven?t gotten any Elecraft reflector emails in my Hotmail since Sept. 19th.   I looked in all the various folders and?nothing.  I thought it was odd, but hey, what do I know?
Thanks in advance.  -John

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10


From elanzl at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov  3 16:31:24 2019
From: elanzl at sbcglobal.net (Eric Lanzl)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 21:31:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Sunday SSB Net
References: <1275445361.593668.1572816684494.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1275445361.593668.1572816684494@mail.yahoo.com>

Here is the list of stations checking in to the Elecraft Net. Again, the net meets on Sundays at 1800Z on a frequency of 14.303.5. Everyone is welcome to check in. 


Elecraft SSB Net 11-3-2019

WB9JNZ???????? Eric????? IL??????K3????????? ?? 4017??Net Control

K8NU/4?????????? Carl???? OH???? TS590???? via KF4LZA

WM6P ??????????? Steve ??GA ????K3S??????? 11453

W1NGA????????? AL??????? CO????? K3??????? ??? 5765

W2RWA????????? Dick???? NY?????? K3??????? ?? 2603

N4NRW????????? Roger? SC?????? K3??????? ???? 1318??Relay station

KO5V????????????? Jim????? NM????? K2/100 ???? 7255?? Relay station

KS6F?????????????? Guy???? CA???? K3S???? ??? 10650

K4FBI????????????? Mike???  VA???? K3S????? ??? 11414

KB1JP  ?????????? David?? NH????K3S????????????????? ??? 1st time check in

KF7ZN?????? ??????Ron???? UT????? K3S????????? 10832 ??Relaystation

N7BDL? ??????????Terry??? AZ?????K3S???????? ? 10373

N7BRR?????????? Bill?????? AZ?????? K3S????????? 10939

KC1ACL????????? Steve??NM???? KX3?????????? 10672

K0JFJ???????????? Nick???? AZ?????? K3S???? ????11830

KC9JXJ????????? HI??????? IL???????? Kenwood TS590

K6FW????????????? Frank?? CA???? ??K3S???? ??? 11672

KE7HGE???????? Ken????? WA????? FT847

NS7P????????????? Phil????? OR?????  K3????????? ???1826

W4JSH?????????? Jeff????? TN?????? ?K3????? ????? 2378

K6VWE?????????? Stan???? ?MI????? ??K3???????????? 650

KD3RF??????????? Andy??? PA???????? K3S? ???? 10181 1sttime check in

N4RQY? ???????? Mike???? FL???????FT100??? ??????????? 1st time check in

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Nov  3 16:57:56 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 13:57:56 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] My last word on operating
In-Reply-To: <46DFCFDB-42B9-4791-B1F6-8B5D5B703726@gmail.com>
References: <46DFCFDB-42B9-4791-B1F6-8B5D5B703726@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d1b7ace-5e0f-f0e2-e6e8-31c391fd4eef@foothill.net>

You must not have worked W6YX [24] or W1MX [14, as in 1914] yet. [:-)? I 
too love my K2 [#4398] and building it was a blast from the past!

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County
CK 53

On 11/3/2019 12:59 PM, Jim Danehy wrote:
> Spent several hours with my prized K2 today in SS Contest.  Filter as wide as it could be. Never heard a CHECK being sent that was as old as mine! Mine is 52 (age). There I go boasting again.
>
> W9VNE
> Sent from my iPhone
>


From rosen.bruce at gmail.com  Sun Nov  3 19:20:07 2019
From: rosen.bruce at gmail.com (K1FFX)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 17:20:07 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] My last word on operating
In-Reply-To: <8d1b7ace-5e0f-f0e2-e6e8-31c391fd4eef@foothill.net>
References: <46DFCFDB-42B9-4791-B1F6-8B5D5B703726@gmail.com>
	<8d1b7ace-5e0f-f0e2-e6e8-31c391fd4eef@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <1572826807723-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Just a note that W1MX is the MIT amateur radio club station.

In the late 60s, hung out there with a close friend who was an MIT student
... luxuriated in the station's 75A4, CE200, and Model 19 Teletype!

Best -

Bruce K1FFX




-----
Bruce Rosen
K1FFX
K2/100 6982 KSB2 KAT100-1 KAF2 KIO2

--
Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Nov  3 20:05:06 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 17:05:06 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] My last word on operating
In-Reply-To: <1572826807723-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <46DFCFDB-42B9-4791-B1F6-8B5D5B703726@gmail.com>
	<8d1b7ace-5e0f-f0e2-e6e8-31c391fd4eef@foothill.net>
	<1572826807723-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <c7e154c0-ee07-0217-6cda-6c575af51721@foothill.net>

Yes, it is.? The exact year for W6YX is in a little doubt but they were 
definitely there by 1924.? Some ancient memory that I can't really dig 
out tells me that MIT and Harvard tussled over who was earlier ... but 
I've never worked Harvard, if there ever was a club there, and I have 
worked W1MX.? Operated W6BB at Cal in the later 50's.? Started in 1914 
as 6XB but I don't know if that would count as a valid check for W6BB 
today ... different call.

Regardless, I had a little time to play in SS CW today, a heartening 
number of later checks.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County
# A K6DGW 53 NV

On 11/3/2019 4:20 PM, K1FFX wrote:
> Just a note that W1MX is the MIT amateur radio club station.
>
> In the late 60s, hung out there with a close friend who was an MIT student
> ... luxuriated in the station's 75A4, CE200, and Model 19 Teletype!
>
> Best -
>
> Bruce K1FFX
>
>
>
>
> -----
> Bruce Rosen
> K1FFX
> K2/100 6982 KSB2 KAT100-1 KAF2 KIO2
>
> --
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sun Nov  3 20:12:43 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 18:12:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] (OT) Ca Fires
In-Reply-To: <cb917b99-3428-69e2-7018-92911c778385@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <467276446.201695.1572722372227.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<467276446.201695.1572722372227@mail.yahoo.com> <CB3F2C7A-053F-413F
	-8478-81E9E83A3190@elecraft.com>
	<DEECD38C8CC34C34BC8038971F70D176@DOUG8PC>
	<d1510779-ef3e-5c06-4aee-f5bfceca17bc@ColdRocksHotBro oms.com>
	<cb917b99-3428-69e2-7018-92911c778385@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <7c8b2cfb-96ed-f618-f81c-d3d1ff7b4b00@triconet.org>

I'm shocked to hear that PG&E would actually think to pay dividends to investors 
who put their money at risk.? The government of CA should put a stop to this 
capitalist idea. and turn the management over to the MVD or the bullet train people.

Wes? N7WS

On 11/3/2019 12:04 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 11/2/2019 7:05 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
>> The power situation (especially in PG&E territory) is a different story, but 
>> one that's manageable.
>
> Really? You do realize that PG&E's distribution system has been badly 
> neglected for decades, and has long been an accident ready to happen. And most 
> of it is bare copper, making it more likely to start a fire. All because 
> management CHOSE not to maintain it, instead paying themselves big salaries 
> and bonuses, paying dividends to investors, and buying back stock. The result 
> is that correcting the problem requires a MASSIVE investment and a massive 
> amount of work that will takes decades to complete, and years to even begin!
>
> As to Elecraft - many of their employees live in areas that WERE affected by 
> the power shutoffs. Some are my neighbors. Our generators have gotten a lot of 
> running time in the past week or so.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sun Nov  3 20:24:55 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 19:24:55 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
In-Reply-To: <BN8PR18MB292911BA2DC8669F428E3BF29C7F0@BN8PR18MB2929.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
References: <297910598.815493.1572753111484@mail.yahoo.com>
	<15382.1572791411017390218@groups.io>
	<798147f6-134e-954a-f4d6-4542d886b260@gmail.com>
	<8813bf89-3d0a-7e9c-1a81-d36560843c25@triconet.org>
	<210C7C0599C92B44A8A9DA3AAD266AF0010B579DC6@EXCH2010FE.esfi.net>
	<BN8PR18MB292911BA2DC8669F428E3BF29C7F0@BN8PR18MB2929.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <e1882401-ad96-7b59-e92c-df5c3fdcfe35@blomand.net>

I suppose I am the "Bob" you refer to.?? The section in Rob's article on 
Odd-Order Intermodulation he clearly explains "worse".

Our receivers have gotten much better over the years but unfortunately 
our transmitters and amplifiers have gotten worse. To quantify, the ARRL 
published a compendium of distortion products of linear amplifiers in 
1997.? The third order distortion was in the 40 and 50 dB PEP range.??? 
In 2019 an ARRL review of solid state legal limit amplifiers reported 
the third order distortion was only down 30 dB.? This is a 10 to 20 dB 
degradation from 1997 to 2019. ?? I'd call this "worse".

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 11/3/2019 6:56 PM, Bill K9YEQ wrote:
>
> ?worse? seems a bit much when looking at the actual levels.? Bob, did 
> you mean something else?? I know this is semantics?.
>
> 73,
>
> Bill
>
> K9YEQ
>
> https://wrj-tech.com/
>
> *From:*Elecraft-K3 at groups.io <Elecraft-K3 at groups.io> *On Behalf Of 
> *Rob Sherwood
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 3, 2019 5:16 PM
> *To:* Elecraft-K3 at groups.io
> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
>
> The K3S is excellent in respect to transmit composite noise. Transmit 
> IMD, on the other hand, is quite different at various power levels.? 
> The sweet spot is around 35 watts, but much worse at 12 watts and 100 
> watts. ?Here is composite noise data.? Hopefully the formatting will 
> hold up.
>
> Rob, NC0B
>
> Transmit Composite Noise Rig Comparisons 20 meters values in dBc/Hz
>
> Rig @ 100 watts??????????????? 2 kHz offset??????? 10 kHz offset????? 
> 20 kHz offset????? 100 kHz offset
>
> K3S -141?????????????????????? n/a???????????????????????? -143
>
> FTdx-101D -133?????????????????????? -137 -138?????????????????????? -141
>
> IC-7851 -129?????????????????????? n/a???????????????????????? -138
>
> IC-7610 -128?????????????????????? -130?????????????????????? -142
>
> Flex 6400 -122?????????????????????? -127?????????????????????? -139
>
> IC-7300 -121?????????????????????? -121?????????????????????? -124
>
> FTdx-3000 -120?????????????????????? n/a???????????????????????? -121
>
> TS-890S ??????????????? -116 -119?????????????????????? 
> -127?????????????????????? -139
>
> Rig @ 30 watts?????????????????? 2 kHz offset??????? 10 kHz 
> offset????? 20 kHz offset????? 100 kHz offset
>
> FTdx-101D -129?????????????????????? -134 -135?????????????????????? -137
>
> K3S -132?????????????????????? n/a???????????????????????? -140
>
> IC-7851 -123?????????????????????? n/a???????????????????????? -133
>
> IC-7610 -122?????????????????????? -124?????????????????????? -127
>
> Flex 6400 -120?????????????????????? -125 -137
>
> FTdx-3000 -117?????????????????????? n/a???????????????????????? -117
>
> TS-890S ??????????????? -112 -115?????????????????????? 
> -124?????????????????????? -135
>
> IC-7300 -110?????????????????????? -109?????????????????????? -116
>
> *From:*Elecraft-K3 at groups.io <mailto:Elecraft-K3 at groups.io> 
> [mailto:Elecraft-K3 at groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Wes
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 03, 2019 10:32 AM
> *To:* Elecraft-K3 at groups.io <mailto:Elecraft-K3 at groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
>
> If TX IMD is the issue, K3 and K3S transmitters are a real mixed bag.? 
> My old K3 at 30 watts is fantastic, with IMD at all frequencies better 
> than -40 dBc (ARRL method).? The same radio at 10W is the worst of my 
> two radios, except at 24 MHz where the K3 and K3S tie at -22 dBc.
>
> It's been hard to keep up with these measurements since the KLPA3A in 
> the K3S has been replaced twice and the KPA3A is IIRC, on the fourth 
> version.
>
> Wes? N7WS
>
> On 11/3/2019 8:16 AM, Martin Sole wrote:
>
>     I suspect the quality of the transmitter particularly with regard
>     to its composite noise spectrum to be a large player. Some radios
>     with high end receiver performance have rudimentary (I'm being
>     kind) transmitter composite noise performance.
>
>     See what NK7Z, NC0B and K9YC have written about this.
>
>
>     Martin, HS0ZED
>
>     On 03/11/2019 21:30, Mark Morin wrote:
>
>         My experience is that the type of rig does make a difference
>         for close coexistence. We?ve found on DxPeditions that an
>         upgraded K3 with KPA500 and a Kenwood TS-590s also with
>         KPA500, can coexist quite well with antennas about 300 ft
>         apart. On most bands, we can operate SSB and CW simultaneously
>         with tolerable QRM. Other times we have tried different
>         high-end rigs in similar setup and found that opposite end of
>         same-band operation was nearly impossible due to QRM. I
>         suspect it?s mostly the receivers that makes the difference.
>
>         Mark VA2MM
>
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From dr35kv at gmail.com  Sun Nov  3 20:47:05 2019
From: dr35kv at gmail.com (Steve Boles)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 20:47:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] (OT) Ca Fires
In-Reply-To: <7c8b2cfb-96ed-f618-f81c-d3d1ff7b4b00@triconet.org>
References: <467276446.201695.1572722372227.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<467276446.201695.1572722372227@mail.yahoo.com>
	<DEECD38C8CC34C34BC8038971F70D176@DOUG8PC>
	<cb917b99-3428-69e2-7018-92911c778385@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<7c8b2cfb-96ed-f618-f81c-d3d1ff7b4b00@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <CAJtFh2Ln-6+_hbnNAyzhS0uXsvW4MfMt3bqrt4urGmjypsLpRA@mail.gmail.com>

Our son, who lives in Spokane Washington, is a wild land forest fire
fighter. He's on stand-by but has not yet been deployed to California this
time around. He has all sorts of stories he can tell about the lack of
forest management and the consequences of...
Steve
ARS: WB4SED

On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 8:14 PM Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:

> I'm shocked to hear that PG&E would actually think to pay dividends to
> investors
> who put their money at risk.  The government of CA should put a stop to
> this
> capitalist idea. and turn the management over to the MVD or the bullet
> train people.
>
> Wes  N7WS
>
> On 11/3/2019 12:04 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
> > On 11/2/2019 7:05 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
> >> The power situation (especially in PG&E territory) is a different
> story, but
> >> one that's manageable.
> >
> > Really? You do realize that PG&E's distribution system has been badly
> > neglected for decades, and has long been an accident ready to happen.
> And most
> > of it is bare copper, making it more likely to start a fire. All because
> > management CHOSE not to maintain it, instead paying themselves big
> salaries
> > and bonuses, paying dividends to investors, and buying back stock. The
> result
> > is that correcting the problem requires a MASSIVE investment and a
> massive
> > amount of work that will takes decades to complete, and years to even
> begin!
> >
> > As to Elecraft - many of their employees live in areas that WERE
> affected by
> > the power shutoffs. Some are my neighbors. Our generators have gotten a
> lot of
> > running time in the past week or so.
> >
> > 73, Jim K9YC
>
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From W2xj at w2xj.net  Sun Nov  3 21:03:32 2019
From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 21:03:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] (OT) Ca Fires
In-Reply-To: <CAJtFh2Ln-6+_hbnNAyzhS0uXsvW4MfMt3bqrt4urGmjypsLpRA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJtFh2Ln-6+_hbnNAyzhS0uXsvW4MfMt3bqrt4urGmjypsLpRA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2229DD1B-0A7D-4F75-9FFD-E6B722539C4D@w2xj.net>

Except in LA and Ventura there is not any forest, just brush and homes. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 3, 2019, at 8:48 PM, Steve Boles <dr35kv at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Our son, who lives in Spokane Washington, is a wild land forest fire
> fighter. He's on stand-by but has not yet been deployed to California this
> time around. He has all sorts of stories he can tell about the lack of
> forest management and the consequences of...
> Steve
> ARS: WB4SED
> 
>> On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 8:14 PM Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm shocked to hear that PG&E would actually think to pay dividends to
>> investors
>> who put their money at risk.  The government of CA should put a stop to
>> this
>> capitalist idea. and turn the management over to the MVD or the bullet
>> train people.
>> 
>> Wes  N7WS
>> 
>>> On 11/3/2019 12:04 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
>>> On 11/2/2019 7:05 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
>>>> The power situation (especially in PG&E territory) is a different
>> story, but
>>>> one that's manageable.
>>> 
>>> Really? You do realize that PG&E's distribution system has been badly
>>> neglected for decades, and has long been an accident ready to happen.
>> And most
>>> of it is bare copper, making it more likely to start a fire. All because
>>> management CHOSE not to maintain it, instead paying themselves big
>> salaries
>>> and bonuses, paying dividends to investors, and buying back stock. The
>> result
>>> is that correcting the problem requires a MASSIVE investment and a
>> massive
>>> amount of work that will takes decades to complete, and years to even
>> begin!
>>> 
>>> As to Elecraft - many of their employees live in areas that WERE
>> affected by
>>> the power shutoffs. Some are my neighbors. Our generators have gotten a
>> lot of
>>> running time in the past week or so.
>>> 
>>> 73, Jim K9YC
>> 
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From kevinr at coho.net  Mon Nov  4 01:00:13 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 22:00:13 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <2062af27-bcc5-44fc-0270-1378af6e39e8@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ? QSB was more intense this week.? S1 to S7 reports were common. There 
were also many contesters passing through.? I was able to find open 
frequencies though and held them, more or less, for each net.? Mostly 
mild weather with one report of snow.? From what I have read the fires 
in California are > 70% contained.? That can change rapidly if the winds 
return.


 ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K4TO - Dave - KY

K4JPN - Steve - GA


 ? On 7047.5 kHz at 0000z:

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K4TO - Dave - KY

KT0A - Gary - SD

W8TK - Tom - AZ

K6PJV - Dale - CA


 ?? Now that we have survived the zombies of Halloween we can look 
forward to Thanksgiving.


Until next week 73,

 ??? Kevin.? KD5ONS

-



From g8kbvdave at googlemail.com  Mon Nov  4 04:20:56 2019
From: g8kbvdave at googlemail.com (Dave B)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 09:20:56 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 187, Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6613.1572722510.13236.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.6613.1572722510.13236.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <55a69c74-6619-a849-b5ff-1723791f7838@googlemail.com>

Any persistent lubrication.

"Copper slip" graphite grease, whatever.? Stainless is not ideal in an
outside situation where dirt can over time get into the threads, that
then result in the metal "galling" (partial seizing/self welding) when
you try to move it.

Regular BZP or Galvanised types would be stronger and last longer with
less chance of seizing up, but I'd also use "Copper Slip" or a smear of
graphite loaded grease on them too.?? Even plain un-plated steel types
will last OK with such pre-treatment and annual maintenance treatment.

73.

Dave G0WBX


------------------------------------------------------------------------
On 02/11/2019 19:21, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> From: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
> Message-ID: <4021045D-BF83-4CE6-B498-9B5502C67922 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what?s the best stuff with which to protect the threads?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Richard Kunc - W4KBX

-- 
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From kb1tcd at gmail.com  Mon Nov  4 07:29:24 2019
From: kb1tcd at gmail.com (JP Douglas)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 07:29:24 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] (OT) Ca Fires
In-Reply-To: <832def78-e67b-86bc-3f8b-b5bbfe8f11c5@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <467276446.201695.1572722372227.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<467276446.201695.1572722372227@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CB3F2C7A-053F-413F-8478-81E9E83A3190@elecraft.com>
	<DEECD38C8CC34C34BC8038971F70D176@DOUG8PC>
	<d1510779-ef3e-5c06-4aee-f5bfceca17bc@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<cb917b99-3428-69e2-7018-92911c778385@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<832def78-e67b-86bc-3f8b-b5bbfe8f11c5@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <7A86482D-356E-43A0-B7D2-1DD303F198B3@gmail.com>


I run a 12 volt Solar system, 4 100 watt panels hooked up to 4 6 volt Golf Cart batteries. I have 12 volt LED lights (look like a regular lightbulb) all over the QTH, run router, wifi, phone, shack all without an inverter. If you end up losing the things in your fridge we?re talking what, $100, so what. We?re in Maine so we have wood burning stove in the basement you can even cook with if need be.
Loose power all the time, no big deal...
73 from Ecuador where we?re on holiday w/my HF radio...
Jose Douglas KB1TCD (HC2/KB1TCD)

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 3, 2019, at 11:53 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT <KX3.2 at coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, Jim, I do realize that a lot of the problem is PG&E making poor choices to benefit investors and not provide safe power.  They do the same with natural gas.
> 
> SCE is better, but they're hardening their grid, fixing the problems you mentioned, and we've had lots of maintenance outages to replace poles.
> 
> You mention generators, and that makes my point:
> 
> The problem is manageable.  A small generator can solve a lot of problems at a fairly low cost.
> 
> I don't need much power for lighting, and have a number of battery powered camping lamps that work great.  Candles too.
> 
> My internet connection and servers are mission critical to me, but that's 80 watts total.
> 
> If it's below freezing, I want to be able to run the furnace at least part time.
> 
> My refrigerator and freezer are important, but not critical.
> 
> I can get by with about 2kw.  I think the Ryobi 2300 I have was $600.
> 
> I can go a couple of hours without power easily before I need to start thinking about the generator.
> 
> Siphoning gas from the cars works -- and has been tested, new cars are harder to tap for gas.
> 
> 73 -- Lynn
> 
>> On 11/3/2019 12:04 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
>> As to Elecraft - many of their employees live in areas that WERE affected by the power shutoffs. Some are my neighbors. Our generators have gotten a lot of running time in the past week or so.
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From graziano at roccon.com  Mon Nov  4 10:09:13 2019
From: graziano at roccon.com (Graziano Roccon (IW2NOY))
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 16:09:13 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 software
In-Reply-To: <CAHxvV0-zk9kcy92qgQdYYzhM8yrxmdFrA1Nd=VjK+pP06SQ2jw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHxvV0-zk9kcy92qgQdYYzhM8yrxmdFrA1Nd=VjK+pP06SQ2jw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4897eea07a3f8d27396aeaaa96f999c4@roccon.com>

Hello,

in the past (2017) i adapted KCOMM for the K3s, maybe i will have the 
opportunity to update KCOMM again for the K4 but... at this moment a K4 
is missing in my shack :-(
I dont' know if Carlo Bianconi will give me the opportunity to test the 
K4.

Thanks, 73's de IW2NOY

[Link to the page for  KCOMM K3s ready: 
http://www.iw2noy.it/index.php?id=86 ]



Il 03/11/2019 00:11 Bruce Wade ha scritto:
> Will the K4 run the KCOMM app? If not what will?
> Tnx
> Bruce Wade
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From graziano at roccon.com  Mon Nov  4 10:09:58 2019
From: graziano at roccon.com (Graziano Roccon (IW2NOY))
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 16:09:58 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 software
In-Reply-To: <CAHxvV0-zk9kcy92qgQdYYzhM8yrxmdFrA1Nd=VjK+pP06SQ2jw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHxvV0-zk9kcy92qgQdYYzhM8yrxmdFrA1Nd=VjK+pP06SQ2jw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <787cdfdfd354fd10ad852486d6df59bc@roccon.com>

Hello,

in the past (2017) i adapted KCOMM for the K3s, maybe i will have the 
opportunity to update KCOMM again for the K4 but... at this moment a K4 
is missing in my shack :-(
I dont' know if Carlo Bianconi will give me the opportunity to test the 
K4.

Thanks, 73's de IW2NOY

[Link to the page for  KCOMM K3s ready: 
http://www.iw2noy.it/index.php?id=86 ]


Il 03/11/2019 00:11 Bruce Wade ha scritto:
> Will the K4 run the KCOMM app? If not what will?
> Tnx
> Bruce Wade
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From k9yeq at live.com  Mon Nov  4 10:48:49 2019
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 15:48:49 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
In-Reply-To: <e1882401-ad96-7b59-e92c-df5c3fdcfe35@blomand.net>
References: <297910598.815493.1572753111484@mail.yahoo.com>
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	<8813bf89-3d0a-7e9c-1a81-d36560843c25@triconet.org>
	<210C7C0599C92B44A8A9DA3AAD266AF0010B579DC6@EXCH2010FE.esfi.net>
	<BN8PR18MB292911BA2DC8669F428E3BF29C7F0@BN8PR18MB2929.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
	<e1882401-ad96-7b59-e92c-df5c3fdcfe35@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <BN8PR18MB2929E6476B78ED2B599C08679C7F0@BN8PR18MB2929.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

Thank you, Bob.  Rob, clarified to me.  Seems most transmitters are in the same boat using solid state transmitters/amplifiers, vs. tubes.  

73,
Bill
K9YEQ


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX
Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2019 7:25 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued

I suppose I am the "Bob" you refer to.?? The section in Rob's article on Odd-Order Intermodulation he clearly explains "worse".

Our receivers have gotten much better over the years but unfortunately our transmitters and amplifiers have gotten worse. To quantify, the ARRL published a compendium of distortion products of linear amplifiers in 1997.? The third order distortion was in the 40 and 50 dB PEP range. In 2019 an ARRL review of solid state legal limit amplifiers reported the third order distortion was only down 30 dB.? This is a 10 to 20 dB degradation from 1997 to 2019. ?? I'd call this "worse".

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 11/3/2019 6:56 PM, Bill K9YEQ wrote:
>
> ?worse? seems a bit much when looking at the actual levels.? Bob, did 
> you mean something else?? I know this is semantics?.
>
> 73,
>
> Bill
>
> K9YEQ
>
> https://wrj-tech.com/
>
> *From:*Elecraft-K3 at groups.io <Elecraft-K3 at groups.io> *On Behalf Of 
> *Rob Sherwood
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 3, 2019 5:16 PM
> *To:* Elecraft-K3 at groups.io
> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
>
> The K3S is excellent in respect to transmit composite noise. Transmit 
> IMD, on the other hand, is quite different at various power levels.
> The sweet spot is around 35 watts, but much worse at 12 watts and 100 
> watts. ?Here is composite noise data.? Hopefully the formatting will 
> hold up.
>
> Rob, NC0B
>
> Transmit Composite Noise Rig Comparisons 20 meters values in dBc/Hz
>
> Rig @ 100 watts??????????????? 2 kHz offset??????? 10 kHz offset
> 20 kHz offset????? 100 kHz offset
>
> K3S -141?????????????????????? n/a???????????????????????? -143
>
> FTdx-101D -133?????????????????????? -137 -138?????????????????????? 
> -141
>
> IC-7851 -129?????????????????????? n/a???????????????????????? -138
>
> IC-7610 -128?????????????????????? -130?????????????????????? -142
>
> Flex 6400 -122?????????????????????? -127?????????????????????? -139
>
> IC-7300 -121?????????????????????? -121?????????????????????? -124
>
> FTdx-3000 -120?????????????????????? n/a???????????????????????? -121
>
> TS-890S ??????????????? -116 -119
> -127?????????????????????? -139
>
> Rig @ 30 watts?????????????????? 2 kHz offset??????? 10 kHz offset????? 
> 20 kHz offset????? 100 kHz offset
>
> FTdx-101D -129?????????????????????? -134 -135?????????????????????? 
> -137
>
> K3S -132?????????????????????? n/a???????????????????????? -140
>
> IC-7851 -123?????????????????????? n/a???????????????????????? -133
>
> IC-7610 -122?????????????????????? -124?????????????????????? -127
>
> Flex 6400 -120?????????????????????? -125 -137
>
> FTdx-3000 -117?????????????????????? n/a???????????????????????? -117
>
> TS-890S ??????????????? -112 -115
> -124?????????????????????? -135
>
> IC-7300 -110?????????????????????? -109?????????????????????? -116
>
> *From:*Elecraft-K3 at groups.io <mailto:Elecraft-K3 at groups.io> 
> [mailto:Elecraft-K3 at groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Wes
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 03, 2019 10:32 AM
> *To:* Elecraft-K3 at groups.io <mailto:Elecraft-K3 at groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
>
> If TX IMD is the issue, K3 and K3S transmitters are a real mixed bag. 
> My old K3 at 30 watts is fantastic, with IMD at all frequencies better 
> than -40 dBc (ARRL method).? The same radio at 10W is the worst of my 
> two radios, except at 24 MHz where the K3 and K3S tie at -22 dBc.
>
> It's been hard to keep up with these measurements since the KLPA3A in 
> the K3S has been replaced twice and the KPA3A is IIRC, on the fourth 
> version.
>
> Wes? N7WS
>
> On 11/3/2019 8:16 AM, Martin Sole wrote:
>
>     I suspect the quality of the transmitter particularly with regard
>     to its composite noise spectrum to be a large player. Some radios
>     with high end receiver performance have rudimentary (I'm being
>     kind) transmitter composite noise performance.
>
>     See what NK7Z, NC0B and K9YC have written about this.
>
>
>     Martin, HS0ZED
>
>     On 03/11/2019 21:30, Mark Morin wrote:
>
>         My experience is that the type of rig does make a difference
>         for close coexistence. We?ve found on DxPeditions that an
>         upgraded K3 with KPA500 and a Kenwood TS-590s also with
>         KPA500, can coexist quite well with antennas about 300 ft
>         apart. On most bands, we can operate SSB and CW simultaneously
>         with tolerable QRM. Other times we have tried different
>         high-end rigs in similar setup and found that opposite end of
>         same-band operation was nearly impossible due to QRM. I
>         suspect it?s mostly the receivers that makes the difference.
>
>         Mark VA2MM
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Nov  4 10:58:05 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 07:58:05 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
In-Reply-To: <BN8PR18MB2929E6476B78ED2B599C08679C7F0@BN8PR18MB2929.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
References: <297910598.815493.1572753111484@mail.yahoo.com>
	<15382.1572791411017390218@groups.io>
	<798147f6-134e-954a-f4d6-4542d886b260@gmail.com>
	<8813bf89-3d0a-7e9c-1a81-d36560843c25@triconet.org>
	<210C7C0599C92B44A8A9DA3AAD266AF0010B579DC6@EXCH2010FE.esfi.net>
	<BN8PR18MB292911BA2DC8669F428E3BF29C7F0@BN8PR18MB2929.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
	<e1882401-ad96-7b59-e92c-df5c3fdcfe35@blomand.net>
	<BN8PR18MB2929E6476B78ED2B599C08679C7F0@BN8PR18MB2929.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <ED6C19FE-DA29-4AE9-A9B6-FF7347550518@elecraft.com>

This is why the K4 (and a small number of other transceivers) include "active predistortion" capability in hardware. It adapts the drive power to the response curve of the PA stage. The K4 also has an TX sample input to include an external amplifier in the correction loop. (The KPA1500 has a TX sample output for this purpose.)

We expect to post numbers significantly better than the industry's typical 3rd-order intermod performance at 100 W, which stands at about -30 dBc (ARRL method).

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Nov 4, 2019, at 7:48 AM, Bill Johnson <k9yeq at live.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you, Bob.  Rob, clarified to me.  Seems most transmitters are in the same boat using solid state transmitters/amplifiers, vs. tubes.  
> 
> 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX
> Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2019 7:25 PM
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
> 
> I suppose I am the "Bob" you refer to.   The section in Rob's article on Odd-Order Intermodulation he clearly explains "worse".
> 
> Our receivers have gotten much better over the years but unfortunately our transmitters and amplifiers have gotten worse. To quantify, the ARRL published a compendium of distortion products of linear amplifiers in 1997.  The third order distortion was in the 40 and 50 dB PEP range. In 2019 an ARRL review of solid state legal limit amplifiers reported the third order distortion was only down 30 dB.  This is a 10 to 20 dB degradation from 1997 to 2019.    I'd call this "worse".
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> On 11/3/2019 6:56 PM, Bill K9YEQ wrote:
>> 
>> ?worse? seems a bit much when looking at the actual levels.  Bob, did 
>> you mean something else?  I know this is semantics?.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
>> K9YEQ




From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Mon Nov  4 11:13:10 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 11:13:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
In-Reply-To: <ED6C19FE-DA29-4AE9-A9B6-FF7347550518@elecraft.com>
References: <297910598.815493.1572753111484@mail.yahoo.com>
	<15382.1572791411017390218@groups.io>
	<798147f6-134e-954a-f4d6-4542d886b260@gmail.com>
	<8813bf89-3d0a-7e9c-1a81-d36560843c25@triconet.org>
	<210C7C0599C92B44A8A9DA3AAD266AF0010B579DC6@EXCH2010FE.esfi.net>
	<BN8PR18MB292911BA2DC8669F428E3BF29C7F0@BN8PR18MB2929.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
	<e1882401-ad96-7b59-e92c-df5c3fdcfe35@blomand.net>
	<BN8PR18MB2929E6476B78ED2B599C08679C7F0@BN8PR18MB2929.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
	<ED6C19FE-DA29-4AE9-A9B6-FF7347550518@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <45A4CF9B-B0B6-4E13-8C9C-4070A2B1CE95@gmail.com>

Well, that?s very good news.  Unless I?ve missed it, this is first note I've seen that confirms predistortion corrections in the K4.

Grant NQ5T

> On Nov 4, 2019, at 10:58 AM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> This is why the K4 (and a small number of other transceivers) include "active predistortion" capability in hardware. It adapts the drive power to the response curve of the PA stage. The K4 also has an TX sample input to include an external amplifier in the correction loop. (The KPA1500 has a TX sample output for this purpose.)
> 
> We expect to post numbers significantly better than the industry's typical 3rd-order intermod performance at 100 W, which stands at about -30 dBc (ARRL method).
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Nov  4 11:19:56 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 08:19:56 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
In-Reply-To: <45A4CF9B-B0B6-4E13-8C9C-4070A2B1CE95@gmail.com>
References: <297910598.815493.1572753111484@mail.yahoo.com>
	<15382.1572791411017390218@groups.io>
	<798147f6-134e-954a-f4d6-4542d886b260@gmail.com>
	<8813bf89-3d0a-7e9c-1a81-d36560843c25@triconet.org>
	<210C7C0599C92B44A8A9DA3AAD266AF0010B579DC6@EXCH2010FE.esfi.net>
	<BN8PR18MB292911BA2DC8669F428E3BF29C7F0@BN8PR18MB2929.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
	<e1882401-ad96-7b59-e92c-df5c3fdcfe35@blomand.net>
	<BN8PR18MB2929E6476B78ED2B599C08679C7F0@BN8PR18MB2929.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
	<ED6C19FE-DA29-4AE9-A9B6-FF7347550518@elecraft.com>
	<45A4CF9B-B0B6-4E13-8C9C-4070A2B1CE95@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA087F69-7A80-45E2-8811-B8F3667F2907@elecraft.com>

The hardware is in place. Some firmware is required that will be phased in when it's ready.

Wayne


> On Nov 4, 2019, at 8:13 AM, Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, that?s very good news.  Unless I?ve missed it, this is first note I've seen that confirms predistortion corrections in the K4.
> 
> Grant NQ5T
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 10:58 AM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This is why the K4 (and a small number of other transceivers) include "active predistortion" capability in hardware. It adapts the drive power to the response curve of the PA stage. The K4 also has an TX sample input to include an external amplifier in the correction loop. (The KPA1500 has a TX sample output for this purpose.)
>> 
>> We expect to post numbers significantly better than the industry's typical 3rd-order intermod performance at 100 W, which stands at about -30 dBc (ARRL method).
>> 
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
> 


From KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Mon Nov  4 11:20:18 2019
From: KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 08:20:18 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] (OT) Ca Fires
In-Reply-To: <7c8b2cfb-96ed-f618-f81c-d3d1ff7b4b00@triconet.org>
References: <467276446.201695.1572722372227.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<467276446.201695.1572722372227@mail.yahoo.com> <CB3F2C7A-053F-413F
	-8478-81E9E83A3190@elecraft.com>
	<DEECD38C8CC34C34BC8038971F70D176@DOUG8PC>
	<d1510779-ef3e-5c06-4aee-f5bfceca17bc@ColdRocksHotBro oms.com>
	<cb917b99-3428-69e2-7018-92911c778385@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<7c8b2cfb-96ed-f618-f81c-d3d1ff7b4b00@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <68fc83aa-acd1-40a7-0e21-5317311ffb41@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

All public companies operate to benefit the investors/shareholders.

That means balancing dividends and profits against things that may 
impact their bottom line like destroying customer assets and legal threats.

SCE is no different, but they went more toward safety as a way to 
maximize shareholder value.  Safe, happy customers with homes and assets 
pay their bills better than dead or burned-out ones.

73 -- Lynn

On 11/3/2019 5:12 PM, Wes wrote:
> I'm shocked to hear that PG&E would actually think to pay dividends to 
> investors who put their money at risk.? The government of CA should put 
> a stop to this capitalist idea. and turn the management over to the MVD 
> or the bullet train people.
> 
> Wes? N7WS

From N3ND at aol.com  Mon Nov  4 11:29:15 2019
From: N3ND at aol.com (Dan Atchison)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 11:29:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
In-Reply-To: <45A4CF9B-B0B6-4E13-8C9C-4070A2B1CE95@gmail.com>
References: <297910598.815493.1572753111484@mail.yahoo.com>
	<15382.1572791411017390218@groups.io>
	<798147f6-134e-954a-f4d6-4542d886b260@gmail.com>
	<8813bf89-3d0a-7e9c-1a81-d36560843c25@triconet.org>
	<210C7C0599C92B44A8A9DA3AAD266AF0010B579DC6@EXCH2010FE.esfi.net>
	<BN8PR18MB292911BA2DC8669F428E3BF29C7F0@BN8PR18MB2929.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
	<e1882401-ad96-7b59-e92c-df5c3fdcfe35@blomand.net>
	<BN8PR18MB2929E6476B78ED2B599C08679C7F0@BN8PR18MB2929.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
	<ED6C19FE-DA29-4AE9-A9B6-FF7347550518@elecraft.com>
	<45A4CF9B-B0B6-4E13-8C9C-4070A2B1CE95@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11ffaa9e-ada4-5856-258e-7edda1431634@aol.com>

Yea!?? I've been waiting for this announcement!?? Way to go Elecraft!

On 11/4/2019 11:13 AM, Grant Youngman wrote:
> Well, that???s very good news.  Unless I???ve missed it, this is first note I've seen that confirms predistortion corrections in the K4.
>
> Grant NQ5T
>
>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 10:58 AM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>
>> This is why the K4 (and a small number of other transceivers) include "active predistortion" capability in hardware. It adapts the drive power to the response curve of the PA stage. The K4 also has an TX sample input to include an external amplifier in the correction loop. (The KPA1500 has a TX sample output for this purpose.)
>>
>> We expect to post numbers significantly better than the industry's typical 3rd-order intermod performance at 100 W, which stands at about -30 dBc (ARRL method).
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Nov  4 11:49:46 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 08:49:46 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] (OT) Ca Fires
In-Reply-To: <68fc83aa-acd1-40a7-0e21-5317311ffb41@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <467276446.201695.1572722372227.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<467276446.201695.1572722372227@mail.yahoo.com> <CB3F2C7A-053F-413F
	-8478-81E9E83A3190@elecraft.com>
	<DEECD38C8CC34C34BC8038971F70D176@DOUG8PC>
	<d1510779-ef3e-5c06-4aee-f5bfceca17bc@ColdRocksHotBro oms.com>
	<cb917b99-3428-69e2-7018-92911c778385@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<7c8b2cfb-96ed-f618-f81c-d3d1ff7b4b00@triconet.org>
	<68fc83aa-acd1-40a7-0e21-5317311ffb41@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <53EE3D73-1C53-47D6-9B7B-B02A07C9E99B@elecraft.com>

There are at least three factors making fires both more intense and more frequent in recent years: 

1. Our power companies (including PG&E) have not been diligent about clearing trees away from residential and HV lines. In my own neighborhood I've spotted many houses with power feeds that are intertwined with tree branches. When I do, I alert the home owners to the existence of a hotline for PG&E trimming service. 

2. Due to either negligence or budget problems, they're not replacing old equipment fast enough. Like gas infrastructure, there are transmission towers and poles 50 to 100 years old in active service.

3. Trees in California (and in the west, generally) have seen rapid increases in die-offs due to extended drought, as well as bark beetles, sudden oak death (SOD) and other infections. I travel around California often, and everywhere I go I see patches of brown, dead trees in what used to be pristine forest. 

Historically, bark beetle larvae were suppressed by winter freezes. But average temperatures have been steadily rising. (First-hand experience: When we moved to Belmont 25 years ago, we used to have a couple of days every winter with lows below 30 degrees. Over the past three years the lowest I've seen was 39.) As far as trees are concerned, it only takes a couple of degrees to shift the balance. The larvae now survive most winters and reproduce furiously, eating everything in sight. They're also able to migrate to higher elevations, getting into more stands of trees.

Information on this phenomenon abounds, but one particularly good summary, from Yale, can be found here:

    https://e360.yale.edu/features/small-pests-big-problems-the-global-spread-of-bark-beetles

Of course we're used to disasters both man-made and natural in CA, and still we persist  :)

Wayne
N6KR



> On Nov 4, 2019, at 8:20 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT <KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> wrote:
> 
> All public companies operate to benefit the investors/shareholders.
> 
> That means balancing dividends and profits against things that may impact their bottom line like destroying customer assets and legal threats.
> 
> SCE is no different, but they went more toward safety as a way to maximize shareholder value.  Safe, happy customers with homes and assets pay their bills better than dead or burned-out ones.
> 
> 73 -- Lynn
> 
> On 11/3/2019 5:12 PM, Wes wrote:
>> I'm shocked to hear that PG&E would actually think to pay dividends to investors who put their money at risk.  The government of CA should put a stop to this capitalist idea. and turn the management over to the MVD or the bullet train people.
>> Wes  N7WS
> ________________





From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Nov  4 12:11:59 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 09:11:59 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
In-Reply-To: <11ffaa9e-ada4-5856-258e-7edda1431634@aol.com>
References: <297910598.815493.1572753111484@mail.yahoo.com>
	<15382.1572791411017390218@groups.io>
	<798147f6-134e-954a-f4d6-4542d886b260@gmail.com>
	<8813bf89-3d0a-7e9c-1a81-d36560843c25@triconet.org>
	<210C7C0599C92B44A8A9DA3AAD266AF0010B579DC6@EXCH2010FE.esfi.net>
	<BN8PR18MB292911BA2DC8669F428E3BF29C7F0@BN8PR18MB2929.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
	<e1882401-ad96-7b59-e92c-df5c3fdcfe35@blomand.net>
	<BN8PR18MB2929E6476B78ED2B599C08679C7F0@BN8PR18MB2929.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
	<ED6C19FE-DA29-4AE9-A9B6-FF7347550518@elecraft.com>
	<45A4CF9B-B0B6-4E13-8C9C-4070A2B1CE95@gmail.com>
	<11ffaa9e-ada4-5856-258e-7edda1431634@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7E4E65AF-6C35-4719-BC9C-F9FEE37F6C54@elecraft.com>

Note the TX SAMPLE input on the rear panel, clearly shown in the product brochure :)

Wayne
N6KR


> On Nov 4, 2019, at 8:29 AM, Dan Atchison via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Yea!?? I've been waiting for this announcement!?? Way to go Elecraft!
> 
> On 11/4/2019 11:13 AM, Grant Youngman wrote:
>> Well, that???s very good news.  Unless I???ve missed it, this is first note I've seen that confirms predistortion corrections in the K4.
>> 
>> Grant NQ5T
>> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 10:58 AM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is why the K4 (and a small number of other transceivers) include "active predistortion" capability in hardware. It adapts the drive power to the response curve of the PA stage. The K4 also has an TX sample input to include an external amplifier in the correction loop. (The KPA1500 has a TX sample output for this purpose.)
>>> 
>>> We expect to post numbers significantly better than the industry's typical 3rd-order intermod performance at 100 W, which stands at about -30 dBc (ARRL method).
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>> 
>>> 
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From wa6nhc at gmail.com  Mon Nov  4 12:20:54 2019
From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick Bates (WA6NHC))
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 09:20:54 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd:  (OT) Ca Fires
References: <53EE3D73-1C53-47D6-9B7B-B02A07C9E99B@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <74B1F539-ED25-4CC8-83FB-5D524D51142A@gmail.com>

Plus every time trimming or thinning is required, homeowner and legal processes (including court time in some cases) the utility (not just PG&E or SCE) must follow, take an inordinate amount of time and resources thanks to ?environmental? groups failing to realize it is a renewable resource and a fact of living within a wildland urban interface (WUI).

It doesn?t have to be moonscaped, there are methods to manage forests and allow safe access for all, including utilities while lowering the fire risk.  

So we can also be more safe while operating our Elecraft products in the woods or at home too. ;-)

Rick NK7I  <<<?? was wa6nhc

Smell Czech corrections are inevitable

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
> Date: November 4, 2019 at 8:50:38 AM PST
> To: "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" <KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] (OT) Ca Fires
> 
> ?There are at least three factors making fires both more intense and more frequent in recent years:
> 
> 1. Our power companies (including PG&E) have not been diligent about clearing trees away from residential and HV lines. In my own neighborhood I've spotted many houses with power feeds that are intertwined with tree branches. When I do, I alert the home owners to the existence of a hotline for PG&E trimming service. 
> 
> 2. Due to either negligence or budget problems, they're not replacing old equipment fast enough. Like gas infrastructure, there are transmission towers and poles 50 to 100 years old in active service.
> 
> 3. Trees in California (and in the west, generally) have seen rapid increases in die-offs due to extended drought, as well as bark beetles, sudden oak death (SOD) and other infections. I travel around California often, and everywhere I go I see patches of brown, dead trees in what used to be pristine forest. 
> 
> Historically, bark beetle larvae were suppressed by winter freezes. But average temperatures have been steadily rising. (First-hand experience: When we moved to Belmont 25 years ago, we used to have a couple of days every winter with lows below 30 degrees. Over the past three years the lowest I've seen was 39.) As far as trees are concerned, it only takes a couple of degrees to shift the balance. The larvae now survive most winters and reproduce furiously, eating everything in sight. They're also able to migrate to higher elevations, getting into more stands of trees.
> 
> Information on this phenomenon abounds, but one particularly good summary, from Yale, can be found here:
> 
>    https://e360.yale.edu/features/small-pests-big-problems-the-global-spread-of-bark-beetles
> 
> Of course we're used to disasters both man-made and natural in CA, and still we persist  :)
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 8:20 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT <KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> wrote:
>> 
>> All public companies operate to benefit the investors/shareholders.
>> 
>> That means balancing dividends and profits against things that may impact their bottom line like destroying customer assets and legal threats.
>> 
>> SCE is no different, but they went more toward safety as a way to maximize shareholder value.  Safe, happy customers with homes and assets pay their bills better than dead or burned-out ones.
>> 
>> 73 -- Lynn
>> 
>>> On 11/3/2019 5:12 PM, Wes wrote:
>>> I'm shocked to hear that PG&E would actually think to pay dividends to investors who put their money at risk.  The government of CA should put a stop to this capitalist idea. and turn the management over to the MVD or the bullet train people.
>>> Wes  N7WS
>> ________________
> 
> 
> 
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Mon Nov  4 12:55:31 2019
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 08:55:31 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] (OT) Ca Fires
Message-ID: <201911041755.xA4HtZIn003653@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>

Wayne has described the issues with susceptibleness to wildfire, well.

In the last 100 years (or so) wildfire has been suppressed by man 
thus providing an increase in "fuel" growth.  Only in the last few 
years have forest scientist and managers modified this to allow 
natural fire to correct the issue.  BTW this betters the environment 
providing food for many species.  So even hunters are realizing the benefit.

The cited paper should give one a good perspective on this topic 
though it left out the spruce bark beetle invasion in Alaska.  Wild 
fire is a normal occurrence up here.

This summer a 160,000 acre fire burned about 50-miles east of me and 
closed traffic on the only road from the Kenai Peninsula to Anchorage 
with huge impact on truck traffic and tourists.  It also burned the 
high voltage intertie from Bradley Lake Dam to regions in Anchorage 
and north which supplies that low price power for a significant part 
of AK.  Fortunately most of the burned area was Nat'l forest with 
little human occupancy (unlike the situation in CA).

We've improved the fire situation around our home quite a lot by 
taking down trees close to the house and converting brush land to 
lawn.  We have just under 2 acres which is backed by wild forest land 
to the south.  FD even took out about five tall spruce along the road 
right-of-way for free.

My wife used to live in Simi Valley so well aware of the area 
impacted in SoCal.  I lived on the beach, valley, desert, and 
foothill area of LA (long ago).

73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 


From dennisashworth49 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  4 13:05:25 2019
From: dennisashworth49 at gmail.com (Dennis Ashworth)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 10:05:25 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 bandwidth requirements for remote
Message-ID: <4EB96143-42EC-4CE8-B8A0-912EA1B54A1E@gmail.com>

I operate remotely with a K3/KPA1500 via the RemoteRig boxes. Internet bandwidth on the RF end is great, but as we travel, the operator end is often quite marginal. It appears the K4 will be sharing considerable information between the RF and Op end over the internet connection. Is there a method within the K4 to (de)select features or shed loads in situations where internet bandwidth is restricted? 

73
Dennis K7FL 

From N3ND at aol.com  Mon Nov  4 15:21:07 2019
From: N3ND at aol.com (Dan Atchison)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 15:21:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 CW and keying Rise Time
References: <6deefa28-6bf0-330a-a59d-2f7085123076.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6deefa28-6bf0-330a-a59d-2f7085123076@aol.com>

I am hoping that the K4, like its predecessor the K3(S), does _NOT_ give 
a user the ability to change its CW rise times.

I believe the K3 is designed for a 5ms rise.? Many, if not most, other 
manufacturers allow as little as 1ms resulting in CW signals that reach 
beyond 1kHz of bandwidth by creating horrible key-clicks.? Indeed, their 
"default" values can be too short. To what end?? Unscrupulous users 
setting it so their clicks help keep their run frequency clear?? 
Terrible to think that but I have heard some station owners admitting same.

Last weekend's CWSS had many, many horrible key-click stations - some 
from notable contesters.? I realize that things other than a CW rise 
time can give cause to key-clicks (antenna connections, hot-switching, 
etc.), but newer radios shouldn't be the culprit - yet they can be 
because of manufacturer's oversight (or under-thought).

I've never heard of a short CW rise time being an advantage other than 
to create havoc. There is a happy medium.

Dan - N3ND



From lists at subich.com  Mon Nov  4 15:37:48 2019
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 15:37:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
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On 2019-11-04 10:48 AM, Bill Johnson wrote:
> Seems most transmitters are in the same boat using solid state 
 > transmitters/amplifiers, vs. tubes.

The issue is that 12V transistors are simply not capable of providing
the "clean" voltage swings necessary to generate 100 - 120W peak power.

A typical transistor/FET has a series output impedance of around 1 - 1.5
Ohms.  Thus if the peak current is ~10A per device, the transistor is
operating from cut-off to saturated - with the unavoidable distortion
(clipping/saturation) at each end of that range.

Simply put, insistence on more than about 60 W PEP from a pair of 12V
devices is *asking for IMD* and "active predistortion" only masks that
issue with a significant cost in complexity and DSP hardware.

Equipment designers should give up on 12V devices for "base station"
radios and go to 48V devices - even at 200 W PEP output levels.  The
designers should stick to 60 W output for 12V devices.  That level is
more than enough to drive an amplifier in the  KPA-500 class to rated
output and close (if not sufficient) for even a KPA-1500 and can be
improved, if necessary, with much less complex precorrection systems.

Redesigned with bias levels and transformers optimized for the lower
power levels, perhaps with increased negative feedback, the K3/K3S
could exhibit *much* - at least 10 dB - better IMD at 50 - 60 W PEP
output (although efficiency would probably suffer for those who just
absolutely need to run the rig from a 12V battery pack on a picnic
table).

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2019-11-04 10:48 AM, Bill Johnson wrote:
> Thank you, Bob.  Rob, clarified to me.  Seems most transmitters are in the same boat using solid state transmitters/amplifiers, vs. tubes.
> 
> 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ
> 
> 



From xdavid at cis-broadband.com  Mon Nov  4 15:52:51 2019
From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 13:52:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
In-Reply-To: <477f842c-8f21-ef59-944e-d7d5780cd05a@subich.com>
References: <297910598.815493.1572753111484@mail.yahoo.com>
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I agree completely with all of that, but with the discontinuance of the 
K3s it seems that Elecraft doesn't really consider the K4 to be strictly 
a base station rig.? Their continued insistence upon everything being 12 
volt capable is a bit of a puzzlement for me.

73,
Dave?? AB7E


On 11/4/2019 1:37 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
>
> The issue is that 12V transistors are simply not capable of providing
> the "clean" voltage swings necessary to generate 100 - 120W peak power.
>
> A typical transistor/FET has a series output impedance of around 1 - 1.5
> Ohms.? Thus if the peak current is ~10A per device, the transistor is
> operating from cut-off to saturated - with the unavoidable distortion
> (clipping/saturation) at each end of that range.
>
> Simply put, insistence on more than about 60 W PEP from a pair of 12V
> devices is *asking for IMD* and "active predistortion" only masks that
> issue with a significant cost in complexity and DSP hardware.
>
> Equipment designers should give up on 12V devices for "base station"
> radios and go to 48V devices - even at 200 W PEP output levels. The
> designers should stick to 60 W output for 12V devices.? That level is
> more than enough to drive an amplifier in the? KPA-500 class to rated
> output and close (if not sufficient) for even a KPA-1500 and can be
> improved, if necessary, with much less complex precorrection systems.
>
> Redesigned with bias levels and transformers optimized for the lower
> power levels, perhaps with increased negative feedback, the K3/K3S
> could exhibit *much* - at least 10 dB - better IMD at 50 - 60 W PEP
> output (although efficiency would probably suffer for those who just
> absolutely need to run the rig from a 12V battery pack on a picnic
> table).
>
> 73,
>
> ?? ... Joe, W4TV


From wa6nhc at gmail.com  Mon Nov  4 16:24:42 2019
From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick Bates (WA6NHC))
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 13:24:42 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
In-Reply-To: <94b07ad2-4ab4-b92a-34e1-2701e8790c36@cis-broadband.com>
References: <94b07ad2-4ab4-b92a-34e1-2701e8790c36@cis-broadband.com>
Message-ID: <C972DD2A-1E80-450C-B2EB-F23151465B2F@gmail.com>

Perhaps since that is the standard voltage for cars, trucks, RVs and other vehicles. 

I run my power supplies at 14.2 v to be as clean as possible. 

Rick NK7I

Smell Czech correction happens

> On Nov 4, 2019, at 12:53 PM, David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Their continued insistence upon everything being 12 volt capable is a bit of a puzzlement for me.

From n7rxl at att.net  Mon Nov  4 16:31:41 2019
From: n7rxl at att.net (Graydon (N7RXL))
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 14:31:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
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I'm grateful they do.  I always run the radio off of a battery, so I don't have to ever worry about whether the AC power is on or not.  I like to be able to run my radios during a disaster.  It's a lot simpler to connect the radio to the battery, than to connect radio to power supply, then to inverter, then to battery.


> On Nov 4, 2019, at 12:53 PM, David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Their continued insistence upon everything being 12 volt capable is a bit of a puzzlement for me.


From scott.manthe at gmail.com  Mon Nov  4 16:44:59 2019
From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 16:44:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
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Elecraft's design philosophy dictates that their radio be capable of 
portable/field operation, so that's how they design their radios. 
They're lightweight, efficient, and operate off 12 volts. Lots of other 
manufacturers love giant, heavy rigs. Elecraft doesn't.

73,
Scott N9AA


On 11/4/19 3:52 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
>
> I agree completely with all of that, but with the discontinuance of 
> the K3s it seems that Elecraft doesn't really consider the K4 to be 
> strictly a base station rig.? Their continued insistence upon 
> everything being 12 volt capable is a bit of a puzzlement for me.
>
> 73,
> Dave?? AB7E
>
>


From dl9hda at dl9hda.de  Mon Nov  4 16:53:59 2019
From: dl9hda at dl9hda.de (Holger Doerschel)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 22:53:59 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 Power Measurements
Message-ID: <780c8784-67b7-dc96-06d9-e102d23f475e@dl9hda.de>

Hi,

after I finally installed the KAF2 module in my K2/100 05775, it was 
time to do a complete alignment and I ran into this old problem again.

The output power at 160 m is 100 W. And drops from band to band to 80 W.

Now I have adjusted the KPA100 to 10m. Now I have there 100 W but then 
on 160 m 120 W.

Measured with an LP-100A and dummy load. SWR is fine!

It looks as if the whole power measurement shows a certain skewness.

Any hint?

73s, Holger DL9HDA


From lists at subich.com  Mon Nov  4 17:02:21 2019
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 17:02:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
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On 2019-11-04 4:44 PM, Scott Manthe wrote:
 > Elecraft's design philosophy dictates that their radio be capable of
 > portable/field operation, so that's how they design their radios.
 > They're lightweight, efficient, and operate off 12 volts.

If that's the design philosophy, limit the power output to 60 W PEP.

Elecraft already have *two* other 12V capable radios - the KX2 and KX3 -
of one doesn't count the K2.  *WHY* create another dirty 12V radio
("active predistortion" is not the solution) when one can have a clean
60W radio at 12V or a clean 200W radio at 40V?

Build a DC-DC supply for the 40V PA stage if one wants to run it from
an automobile electrical system (or install a separate 48V alternator,
regulator and battery specifically for the PA stage).

Increasing transmit IMD by a factor of 40 just to operate the radio
at 100 W PEP on a 12 battery is unconscionable given today's state
of the art.  It was different when 48V transistors/FETs were not
available but that ship sailed almost 20 years ago.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2019-11-04 4:44 PM, Scott Manthe wrote:
> Elecraft's design philosophy dictates that their radio be capable of 
> portable/field operation, so that's how they design their radios. 
> They're lightweight, efficient, and operate off 12 volts. Lots of other 
> manufacturers love giant, heavy rigs. Elecraft doesn't.
> 
> 73,
> Scott N9AA
> 
> 
> On 11/4/19 3:52 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
>>
>> I agree completely with all of that, but with the discontinuance of 
>> the K3s it seems that Elecraft doesn't really consider the K4 to be 
>> strictly a base station rig.? Their continued insistence upon 
>> everything being 12 volt capable is a bit of a puzzlement for me.
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave?? AB7E
>>
>>
> 
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Nov  4 16:32:50 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 16:32:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: 1 ppm TCXO calibration - Methode 3 - Data sheet
 missing from ELECRAFT
In-Reply-To: <76E428D9-2DB0-4B49-B601-CB800DD70BF4@verschalter.de>
References: <76E428D9-2DB0-4B49-B601-CB800DD70BF4@verschalter.de>
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sTef,

Surely you can receive some standard station at a known stable frequency 
and use Method 2.  While WWV is suggested, that method will work with 
any station having a know stable frequency.

Method 3 had been discontinued some time ago.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/3/2019 2:20 AM, DM5TU - sTef wrote:
> Hi Gang, Hi ELECRAFT,
> 
> I own a K3 S/N 3783.
> 
> Due to the the discontinuing of the K3 I now ordered the 1 ppm TCXO. All came in well as expected, except of one important piece of information.
> Referring to my original paper printed K3 manual Rev. D Sept. 2009 page 50 "Reference Oscillator" there are 3 methods to calibrate the TCXO.
> 
> Using the mentioned "Method 3 (1 ppm TCXO option)" the manufacture delivers a data sheet which has to be used to calibrate the 1 ppm TCXO.
> 
> But there is no data sheet delivered by ELECRAFT.....
> Methode 1 und 2 are NO sophisticated ways for me to calibrate such a 1 ppm TCXO.
> 
> Two questions, please:
> 
> 1. Can someone from ELECRAFT please give me an explanation on that issue?
> 2. Would the calibration of the 1 ppm TCXO be obsolet when installing the external reference option K3EXREF?
> 

From radiok4ia at gmail.com  Mon Nov  4 18:07:25 2019
From: radiok4ia at gmail.com (Buck)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 18:07:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
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Perhaps the K4 should have been a 40V radio and the K3S remain as the 
12V "portable" or "field" version.

k4ia, Buck
K3# 101
Honor Roll  8B DXCC
EasyWayHamBooks.com

On 11/4/2019 5:02 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> On 2019-11-04 4:44 PM, Scott Manthe wrote:
>  > Elecraft's design philosophy dictates that their radio be capable of
>  > portable/field operation, so that's how they design their radios.
>  > They're lightweight, efficient, and operate off 12 volts.
> 
> If that's the design philosophy, limit the power output to 60 W PEP.
> 
> Elecraft already have *two* other 12V capable radios - the KX2 and KX3 -
> of one doesn't count the K2.? *WHY* create another dirty 12V radio
> ("active predistortion" is not the solution) when one can have a clean
> 60W radio at 12V or a clean 200W radio at 40V?
> 
> Build a DC-DC supply for the 40V PA stage if one wants to run it from
> an automobile electrical system (or install a separate 48V alternator,
> regulator and battery specifically for the PA stage).
> 
> Increasing transmit IMD by a factor of 40 just to operate the radio
> at 100 W PEP on a 12 battery is unconscionable given today's state
> of the art.? It was different when 48V transistors/FETs were not
> available but that ship sailed almost 20 years ago.
> 
> 73,
> 
>  ?? ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
> On 2019-11-04 4:44 PM, Scott Manthe wrote:
>> Elecraft's design philosophy dictates that their radio be capable of 
>> portable/field operation, so that's how they design their radios. 
>> They're lightweight, efficient, and operate off 12 volts. Lots of 
>> other manufacturers love giant, heavy rigs. Elecraft doesn't.
>>
>> 73,
>> Scott N9AA
>>
>>
>> On 11/4/19 3:52 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree completely with all of that, but with the discontinuance of 
>>> the K3s it seems that Elecraft doesn't really consider the K4 to be 
>>> strictly a base station rig.? Their continued insistence upon 
>>> everything being 12 volt capable is a bit of a puzzlement for me.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Dave?? AB7E
>>>
>>>
>>
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Nov  4 18:20:27 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 15:20:27 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
In-Reply-To: <9ffff20d-2c6e-212c-2c70-13adc810b249@Gmail.com>
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	<8813bf89-3d0a-7e9c-1a81-d36560843c25@triconet.org>
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	<BN8PR18MB292911BA2DC8669F428E3BF29C7F0@BN8PR18MB2929.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <73318822-E63B-42A4-8E00-D4A316A8A873@elecraft.com>

Hi all,

We've chosen to have the K4 continue to be a field-capable radio, inheriting the characteristics that have always made the K3/K3S (and the K2 before it) the preferred rig for FD, DXpeditions, and multi-transmitter stations. Thanks to a lightweight but rigid internal aluminum frame, the K4 weighs only slightly more than the K3/K3S, while integrating in a large LCD in a way that increases width by less than 3 inches. (Unlike on many rigs, our front panel includes separate optical encoders for VFO A, VFO B, and RIT/XIT.)

Current drain of the K4 is half that of most competing high-performance desktop radios, so it can be used with emergency power. At home, use 13.8 to 14.2 V for lowest IMD. In the field, the K3 (and now, the K4) automatically scales maximum power output based on supply voltage, and can run down to as low as 11 V.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Nov 4, 2019, at 3:07 PM, Buck <radiok4ia at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Perhaps the K4 should have been a 40V radio and the K3S remain as the 12V "portable" or "field" version.
> 
> k4ia, Buck
> K3# 101
> Honor Roll  8B DXCC
> EasyWayHamBooks.com



From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Nov  4 18:09:15 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 15:09:15 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K4] K4 CW and keying Rise Time
In-Reply-To: <6deefa28-6bf0-330a-a59d-2f7085123076@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <789C7700-A7B3-4F58-850C-B93B4F029F46@elecraft.com>

We went to great lengths to create an ideal sigmoidal (raised cosine) rise/fall characteristic for our CW keying envelope. It is set at approximately 5 ms and will not be shortened for any reason. Elecraft rigs don't click.

We also ensure that ALC never interferes with the CW keying waveform. During rise and fall, ALC is open-loop, allowing the characteristic curve to be presented to the output stages.

The result of all this is the narrowest CW keying bandwidth possible consistent with crisp on-the-air sound.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



> On Nov 4, 2019, at 12:21 PM, Dan Atchison via Groups.Io <N3ND=aol.com at groups.io> wrote:
> 
> I am hoping that the K4, like its predecessor the K3(S), does NOT give a user the ability to change its CW rise times.  
> 
> I believe the K3 is designed for a 5ms rise.  Many, if not most, other manufacturers allow as little as 1ms resulting in CW signals that reach beyond 1kHz of bandwidth by creating horrible key-clicks.  Indeed, their "default" values can be too short.  To what end?  Unscrupulous users setting it so their clicks help keep their run frequency clear?  Terrible to think that but I have heard some station owners admitting same.
> 
> Last weekend's CWSS had many, many horrible key-click stations - some from notable contesters.  I realize that things other than a CW rise time can give cause to key-clicks (antenna connections, hot-switching, etc.), but newer radios shouldn't be the culprit - yet they can be because of manufacturer's oversight (or under-thought).  
> 
> I've never heard of a short CW rise time being an advantage other than to create havoc. There is a happy medium.
> 
> Dan - N3ND
> 
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From w4kx at mac.com  Mon Nov  4 18:29:28 2019
From: w4kx at mac.com (Tom Doligalski)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 18:29:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K4] K4 CW and keying Rise Time
In-Reply-To: <789C7700-A7B3-4F58-850C-B93B4F029F46@elecraft.com>
References: <789C7700-A7B3-4F58-850C-B93B4F029F46@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <33DAC300-E16A-4AC3-9405-6E1B59C6A579@mac.com>

Another reason my next rig is the K4!

Sent from my iPad 

> On Nov 4, 2019, at 6:22 PM, N6KR <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> ?We went to great lengths to create an ideal sigmoidal (raised cosine) rise/fall characteristic for our CW keying envelope. It is set at approximately 5 ms and will not be shortened for any reason. Elecraft rigs don't click.
> 
> We also ensure that ALC never interferes with the CW keying waveform. During rise and fall, ALC is open-loop, allowing the characteristic curve to be presented to the output stages.
> 
> The result of all this is the narrowest CW keying bandwidth possible consistent with crisp on-the-air sound.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 12:21 PM, Dan Atchison via Groups.Io <N3ND=aol.com at groups.io> wrote:
>> 
>> I am hoping that the K4, like its predecessor the K3(S), does NOT give a user the ability to change its CW rise times.
>> 
>> I believe the K3 is designed for a 5ms rise.  Many, if not most, other manufacturers allow as little as 1ms resulting in CW signals that reach beyond 1kHz of bandwidth by creating horrible key-clicks.  Indeed, their "default" values can be too short.  To what end?  Unscrupulous users setting it so their clicks help keep their run frequency clear?  Terrible to think that but I have heard some station owners admitting same.
>> 
>> Last weekend's CWSS had many, many horrible key-click stations - some from notable contesters.  I realize that things other than a CW rise time can give cause to key-clicks (antenna connections, hot-switching, etc.), but newer radios shouldn't be the culprit - yet they can be because of manufacturer's oversight (or under-thought).
>> 
>> I've never heard of a short CW rise time being an advantage other than to create havoc. There is a happy medium.
>> 
>> Dan - N3ND
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Mon Nov  4 18:31:06 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 15:31:06 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
In-Reply-To: <9ffff20d-2c6e-212c-2c70-13adc810b249@Gmail.com>
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Predecessors to the K3 have already reached the "unobtanium parts" 
stage, K3 probably isn't too far behind. The US military logistics folks 
will do a "lifetime buy" when parts for the airplane or tank are headed 
for obsolete-ness.? The US military never runs out of checks, of course. 
[:-)? I don't think Elecraft is in a position to buy up all the 
soon-to-be-gone components on the market since K3 sales are likely to 
fade significantly with the K4.? My K3 is #642[U], I have upgraded it 
some, but I'm still a little stunned at how long ago it was designed and 
came to market.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 11/4/2019 3:07 PM, Buck wrote:
> Perhaps the K4 should have been a 40V radio and the K3S remain as the 
> 12V "portable" or "field" version.
>
> k4ia, Buck
> K3# 101
> Honor Roll? 8B DXCC
> EasyWayHamBooks.com
>


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Nov  4 19:29:09 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 18:29:09 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
In-Reply-To: <007201d59357$4047c1e0$c0d745a0$@net>
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	<007201d59357$4047c1e0$c0d745a0$@net>
Message-ID: <ebb46db4-5436-3702-49e3-8babcfa388e1@blomand.net>

Build radios with internal supplies capable of 90V to 250V and the PA's 
running 48 to 60 volts for 100 watt radios.?? The continued insistence 
on 12V radios should be limited to mobile or portable type and 
configured radios.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 11/4/2019 3:31 PM, Graydon (N7RXL) wrote:
> I'm grateful they do.  I always run the radio off of a battery, so I don't have to ever worry about whether the AC power is on or not.  I like to be able to run my radios during a disaster.  It's a lot simpler to connect the radio to the battery, than to connect radio to power supply, then to inverter, then to battery.
>
>
>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 12:53 PM, David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> Their continued insistence upon everything being 12 volt capable is a bit of a puzzlement for me.
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From W2xj at w2xj.net  Mon Nov  4 19:34:00 2019
From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 19:34:00 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
In-Reply-To: <331c1ea3-18f8-f14d-d527-410b9d028f28@subich.com>
References: <331c1ea3-18f8-f14d-d527-410b9d028f28@subich.com>
Message-ID: <BB4505B7-0FE7-40CD-8849-1DDF757A5B88@w2xj.net>

One could always have a modular approach which is how other industries approach this. Broadband combiners are not that complicated. BTW, predistortion   is common practice is a number of industries.

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:03 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
> 
> ?On 2019-11-04 4:44 PM, Scott Manthe wrote:
> > Elecraft's design philosophy dictates that their radio be capable of
> > portable/field operation, so that's how they design their radios.
> > They're lightweight, efficient, and operate off 12 volts.
> 
> If that's the design philosophy, limit the power output to 60 W PEP.
> 
> Elecraft already have *two* other 12V capable radios - the KX2 and KX3 -
> of one doesn't count the K2.  *WHY* create another dirty 12V radio
> ("active predistortion" is not the solution) when one can have a clean
> 60W radio at 12V or a clean 200W radio at 40V?
> 
> Build a DC-DC supply for the 40V PA stage if one wants to run it from
> an automobile electrical system (or install a separate 48V alternator,
> regulator and battery specifically for the PA stage).
> 
> Increasing transmit IMD by a factor of 40 just to operate the radio
> at 100 W PEP on a 12 battery is unconscionable given today's state
> of the art.  It was different when 48V transistors/FETs were not
> available but that ship sailed almost 20 years ago.
> 
> 73,
> 
>   ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
>> On 2019-11-04 4:44 PM, Scott Manthe wrote:
>> Elecraft's design philosophy dictates that their radio be capable of portable/field operation, so that's how they design their radios. They're lightweight, efficient, and operate off 12 volts. Lots of other manufacturers love giant, heavy rigs. Elecraft doesn't.
>> 73,
>> Scott N9AA
>>> On 11/4/19 3:52 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
>>> 
>>> I agree completely with all of that, but with the discontinuance of the K3s it seems that Elecraft doesn't really consider the K4 to be strictly a base station rig.  Their continued insistence upon everything being 12 volt capable is a bit of a puzzlement for me.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Dave   AB7E
>>> 
>>> 
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Nov  4 19:38:13 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 18:38:13 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
In-Reply-To: <331c1ea3-18f8-f14d-d527-410b9d028f28@subich.com>
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As stated earlier, a radio with internal power supply capable of 90V to 
250V and run the PA devices from 48 to 60 volts for a 100 watt radios.? 
And for mobile or portable, a 12VDC to 120VAC converter, makes it a 12V 
radio.?? I use a 1000 watt pure sinewave converter on our travel 
trailer.? The converter is about 1/2 the size of my P3 and cost about 
$300.?? Thus not much more than the cost of a AC power supply and it is 
CLEAN.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 11/4/2019 4:02 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> On 2019-11-04 4:44 PM, Scott Manthe wrote:
> > Elecraft's design philosophy dictates that their radio be capable of
> > portable/field operation, so that's how they design their radios.
> > They're lightweight, efficient, and operate off 12 volts.
>
> If that's the design philosophy, limit the power output to 60 W PEP.
>
> Elecraft already have *two* other 12V capable radios - the KX2 and KX3 -
> of one doesn't count the K2.? *WHY* create another dirty 12V radio
> ("active predistortion" is not the solution) when one can have a clean
> 60W radio at 12V or a clean 200W radio at 40V?
>
> Build a DC-DC supply for the 40V PA stage if one wants to run it from
> an automobile electrical system (or install a separate 48V alternator,
> regulator and battery specifically for the PA stage).
>
> Increasing transmit IMD by a factor of 40 just to operate the radio
> at 100 W PEP on a 12 battery is unconscionable given today's state
> of the art.? It was different when 48V transistors/FETs were not
> available but that ship sailed almost 20 years ago.
>
> 73,
>
> ?? ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2019-11-04 4:44 PM, Scott Manthe wrote:
>> Elecraft's design philosophy dictates that their radio be capable of 
>> portable/field operation, so that's how they design their radios. 
>> They're lightweight, efficient, and operate off 12 volts. Lots of 
>> other manufacturers love giant, heavy rigs. Elecraft doesn't.
>>
>> 73,
>> Scott N9AA
>>
>>
>> On 11/4/19 3:52 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree completely with all of that, but with the discontinuance of 
>>> the K3s it seems that Elecraft doesn't really consider the K4 to be 
>>> strictly a base station rig. Their continued insistence upon 
>>> everything being 12 volt capable is a bit of a puzzlement for me.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Dave?? AB7E
>>>
>>>
>>
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From lists at subich.com  Mon Nov  4 19:45:10 2019
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 19:45:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
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On 2019-11-04 6:20 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> At home, use 13.8 to 14.2 V for lowest IMD. In the field, the K3 (and
> now, the K4) automatically scales maximum power output based on
> supply voltage, and can run down to as low as 11 V.

It is a shame that the maximum power output along with bias levels and
transformer ratios were not selected for lowest obtainable IMD.  Output
power (100 W) became the only specification that counted even though
60 W would have been enough to drive the KPA-500/KPA-1500 with truly
outstanding IMD.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2019-11-04 6:20 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> We've chosen to have the K4 continue to be a field-capable radio, inheriting the characteristics that have always made the K3/K3S (and the K2 before it) the preferred rig for FD, DXpeditions, and multi-transmitter stations. Thanks to a lightweight but rigid internal aluminum frame, the K4 weighs only slightly more than the K3/K3S, while integrating in a large LCD in a way that increases width by less than 3 inches. (Unlike on many rigs, our front panel includes separate optical encoders for VFO A, VFO B, and RIT/XIT.)
> 
> Current drain of the K4 is half that of most competing high-performance desktop radios, so it can be used with emergency power. At home, use 13.8 to 14.2 V for lowest IMD. In the field, the K3 (and now, the K4) automatically scales maximum power output based on supply voltage, and can run down to as low as 11 V.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 3:07 PM, Buck <radiok4ia at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps the K4 should have been a 40V radio and the K3S remain as the 12V "portable" or "field" version.
>>
>> k4ia, Buck
>> K3# 101
>> Honor Roll  8B DXCC
>> EasyWayHamBooks.com
> 
> 
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From lists at subich.com  Mon Nov  4 19:54:43 2019
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 19:54:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
In-Reply-To: <BB4505B7-0FE7-40CD-8849-1DDF757A5B88@w2xj.net>
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On 2019-11-04 7:34 PM, W2xj wrote:
> One could always have a modular approach which is how other 
> industries approach this.
Sure, a modular approach would work well ... a 12V/60W PA or
a 40V/200W PA that would plug into the same space.  Not exactly
rocket science.

 > BTW, predistortion   is common practice is a number of industries.

Yes, I'm very familiar with predistortion - it was common in analog
UHF TV transmitters 30+ years ago and integral to broadcast HDTV
today.  Still, proper setup was not something for an "appliance
operator" and tracking changing operating conditions (e.g., fading
batteries) takes a lot of computational horsepower.  On top of that,
predistortion works best when the amplifier chain is not pushed for
every last fraction of a watt of output - best results will always
be obtained when the PA chain is reasonably clean to start with.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2019-11-04 7:34 PM, W2xj wrote:
> One could always have a modular approach which is how other industries approach this. Broadband combiners are not that complicated. BTW, predistortion   is common practice is a number of industries.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:03 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?On 2019-11-04 4:44 PM, Scott Manthe wrote:
>>> Elecraft's design philosophy dictates that their radio be capable of
>>> portable/field operation, so that's how they design their radios.
>>> They're lightweight, efficient, and operate off 12 volts.
>>
>> If that's the design philosophy, limit the power output to 60 W PEP.
>>
>> Elecraft already have *two* other 12V capable radios - the KX2 and KX3 -
>> of one doesn't count the K2.  *WHY* create another dirty 12V radio
>> ("active predistortion" is not the solution) when one can have a clean
>> 60W radio at 12V or a clean 200W radio at 40V?
>>
>> Build a DC-DC supply for the 40V PA stage if one wants to run it from
>> an automobile electrical system (or install a separate 48V alternator,
>> regulator and battery specifically for the PA stage).
>>
>> Increasing transmit IMD by a factor of 40 just to operate the radio
>> at 100 W PEP on a 12 battery is unconscionable given today's state
>> of the art.  It was different when 48V transistors/FETs were not
>> available but that ship sailed almost 20 years ago.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>    ... Joe, W4TV
>>


From xdavid at cis-broadband.com  Mon Nov  4 19:54:30 2019
From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 17:54:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
In-Reply-To: <73318822-E63B-42A4-8E00-D4A316A8A873@elecraft.com>
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I guess I still don't understand that choice, particularly since the 
bulk of the new features that separate the K4 from the K3s seem geared 
more toward fixed station use than portable operation.? You could have 
kept the K3s (which is still a world class rig) for anyone actually 
needing portable capability while making the K4 a much cleaner rig than 
it now will be.? I'd be surprised if very many DXpeditions or contesters 
are going to feel the need to upgrade from a K3s to a K4, and if so I'd 
be interested in hearing why. ? I'd also bet that the great majority of 
K4 users will never take their rig outside the house or need to run it 
off emergency power, yet all of them are now going to have signals at 
least 10 db less clean than was technically practical.

Like it or not, Sherwood's recent QST article applies to Elecraft.

Dave?? AB7E



On 11/4/2019 4:20 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> We've chosen to have the K4 continue to be a field-capable radio, inheriting the characteristics that have always made the K3/K3S (and the K2 before it) the preferred rig for FD, DXpeditions, and multi-transmitter stations. Thanks to a lightweight but rigid internal aluminum frame, the K4 weighs only slightly more than the K3/K3S, while integrating in a large LCD in a way that increases width by less than 3 inches. (Unlike on many rigs, our front panel includes separate optical encoders for VFO A, VFO B, and RIT/XIT.)
>
> Current drain of the K4 is half that of most competing high-performance desktop radios, so it can be used with emergency power. At home, use 13.8 to 14.2 V for lowest IMD. In the field, the K3 (and now, the K4) automatically scales maximum power output based on supply voltage, and can run down to as low as 11 V.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 3:07 PM, Buck <radiok4ia at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps the K4 should have been a 40V radio and the K3S remain as the 12V "portable" or "field" version.
>>
>> k4ia, Buck
>> K3# 101
>> Honor Roll  8B DXCC
>> EasyWayHamBooks.com
>
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Nov  4 20:31:43 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 17:31:43 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
In-Reply-To: <4988bd87-137f-f507-9de3-ece58e73a4a2@subich.com>
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Joe,

Not everyone uses an amp with their 100-W rig (in fact, far less than half). Like other 100-W radios that are compatible with field use, the K3/K3S/K4 must make ~100 W from a 12-15 V mobile, solar, or battery supply. But it also has to be efficient at this power level.

If you only need amp drive power, the IMD improves. And the K4 is capable of predistortion, which means that at amp drive levels, IMD performance should be truly outstanding.

The transformer ratio is 16:1, the same as most other "12 V capable" 100 W transceivers. If you go to 25:1, drain current goes way up, precluding the use of standard 20/25-A power supplies and making the radio a lot less portable.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
> 
> On 2019-11-04 6:20 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> At home, use 13.8 to 14.2 V for lowest IMD. In the field, the K3 (and
>> now, the K4) automatically scales maximum power output based on
>> supply voltage, and can run down to as low as 11 V.
> 
> It is a shame that the maximum power output along with bias levels and
> transformer ratios were not selected for lowest obtainable IMD.  Output
> power (100 W) became the only specification that counted even though
> 60 W would have been enough to drive the KPA-500/KPA-1500 with truly
> outstanding IMD.
> 
> 73,
> 
>   ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
> On 2019-11-04 6:20 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> We've chosen to have the K4 continue to be a field-capable radio, inheriting the characteristics that have always made the K3/K3S (and the K2 before it) the preferred rig for FD, DXpeditions, and multi-transmitter stations. Thanks to a lightweight but rigid internal aluminum frame, the K4 weighs only slightly more than the K3/K3S, while integrating in a large LCD in a way that increases width by less than 3 inches. (Unlike on many rigs, our front panel includes separate optical encoders for VFO A, VFO B, and RIT/XIT.)
>> Current drain of the K4 is half that of most competing high-performance desktop radios, so it can be used with emergency power. At home, use 13.8 to 14.2 V for lowest IMD. In the field, the K3 (and now, the K4) automatically scales maximum power output based on supply voltage, and can run down to as low as 11 V.
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 3:07 PM, Buck <radiok4ia at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Perhaps the K4 should have been a 40V radio and the K3S remain as the 12V "portable" or "field" version.
>>> 
>>> k4ia, Buck
>>> K3# 101
>>> Honor Roll  8B DXCC
>>> EasyWayHamBooks.com
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Nov  4 19:34:10 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 16:34:10 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
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> On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:29 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> 
> The continued insistence on 12V radios should be limited to mobile or portable type and configured radios.

Like the K4 :)

Wayne
N6KR


> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> On 11/4/2019 3:31 PM, Graydon (N7RXL) wrote:
>> I'm grateful they do.  I always run the radio off of a battery, so I don't have to ever worry about whether the AC power is on or not.  I like to be able to run my radios during a disaster.  It's a lot simpler to connect the radio to the battery, than to connect radio to power supply, then to inverter, then to battery.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 12:53 PM, David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Their continued insistence upon everything being 12 volt capable is a bit of a puzzlement for me.
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Nov  4 20:33:43 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 17:33:43 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
In-Reply-To: <1dad3e27-3cd1-16e8-814f-8bd6b384d37c@subich.com>
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You're right, Joe: you don't want to push predistortion to the max available power out on a given band. It may be a little less than 100 W to ensure headroom under all load conditions.

And these days, predistortion is done with DSP. The K4 has a lot more horsepower in this regard than the K3/K3S.

Wayne
N6KR


> On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:54 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
> 
> On 2019-11-04 7:34 PM, W2xj wrote:
>> One could always have a modular approach which is how other industries approach this.
> Sure, a modular approach would work well ... a 12V/60W PA or
> a 40V/200W PA that would plug into the same space.  Not exactly
> rocket science.
> 
> > BTW, predistortion   is common practice is a number of industries.
> 
> Yes, I'm very familiar with predistortion - it was common in analog
> UHF TV transmitters 30+ years ago and integral to broadcast HDTV
> today.  Still, proper setup was not something for an "appliance
> operator" and tracking changing operating conditions (e.g., fading
> batteries) takes a lot of computational horsepower.  On top of that,
> predistortion works best when the amplifier chain is not pushed for
> every last fraction of a watt of output - best results will always
> be obtained when the PA chain is reasonably clean to start with.
> 
> 73,
> 
>   ... Joe, W4TV




From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Nov  4 20:46:10 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 20:46:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 Power Measurements
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Holger,

Is your power supply voltage at 13.8 volts or better yet 14.3 volts? 
That should be as measured by the voltage display on the K2.  It should 
not drop below 12.7 volts during a 100 watt transmit.

Part of the problem may be attributed to the voltage vs. frequency curve 
of KPA100 D16 - which should be a 1N5711 diode.  I have seen diodes that 
have become "flaky" with use, replacement with a new one is the only 
cure should that be the problem.

Other than limited voltage to the KPA100 or the response curve for D16, 
there is usually no other answer for the behavior you are seeing.

Remember that the power may vary by as much as 1 dB from band to band, 
and at the 100 watt level is about 20 watts, so you may not have any 
problem other than diode tolerance vs. frequency.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/4/2019 4:53 PM, Holger Doerschel wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> after I finally installed the KAF2 module in my K2/100 05775, it was 
> time to do a complete alignment and I ran into this old problem again.
> 
> The output power at 160 m is 100 W. And drops from band to band to 80 W.
> 
> Now I have adjusted the KPA100 to 10m. Now I have there 100 W but then 
> on 160 m 120 W.
> 
> Measured with an LP-100A and dummy load. SWR is fine!


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Nov  4 20:39:12 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 17:39:12 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
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	<50f0da1d-17ef-c9d3-eefc-3529749be3a8@cis-broadband.com>
Message-ID: <57B26460-BE34-46C9-8993-892E093B72A7@elecraft.com>

Elecraft itself was forged during Field Day. This (and other cases where portability matter) are engrained in our DNA :)

A K4 or K4D is actually in a similar price range to K3S stations, as typically configured. And many of these are taken out of the shack, at least historically speaking.  

The added convenience of a built-in panadapter is of great utility on FD or for DXpeditions. I used the rig last FD and it definitely enhanced my abilities as an operator. Since we also have a lot of expansion capability in software, we'll be able to add features in the future targeted at enhancing operating convenience and efficiency.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



> On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:54 PM, David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I guess I still don't understand that choice, particularly since the bulk of the new features that separate the K4 from the K3s seem geared more toward fixed station use than portable operation.  You could have kept the K3s (which is still a world class rig) for anyone actually needing portable capability while making the K4 a much cleaner rig than it now will be.  I'd be surprised if very many DXpeditions or contesters are going to feel the need to upgrade from a K3s to a K4, and if so I'd be interested in hearing why.   I'd also bet that the great majority of K4 users will never take their rig outside the house or need to run it off emergency power, yet all of them are now going to have signals at least 10 db less clean than was technically practical.
> 
> Like it or not, Sherwood's recent QST article applies to Elecraft.
> 
> Dave   AB7E
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/4/2019 4:20 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> We've chosen to have the K4 continue to be a field-capable radio, inheriting the characteristics that have always made the K3/K3S (and the K2 before it) the preferred rig for FD, DXpeditions, and multi-transmitter stations. Thanks to a lightweight but rigid internal aluminum frame, the K4 weighs only slightly more than the K3/K3S, while integrating in a large LCD in a way that increases width by less than 3 inches. (Unlike on many rigs, our front panel includes separate optical encoders for VFO A, VFO B, and RIT/XIT.)
>> 
>> Current drain of the K4 is half that of most competing high-performance desktop radios, so it can be used with emergency power. At home, use 13.8 to 14.2 V for lowest IMD. In the field, the K3 (and now, the K4) automatically scales maximum power output based on supply voltage, and can run down to as low as 11 V.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 3:07 PM, Buck <radiok4ia at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Perhaps the K4 should have been a 40V radio and the K3S remain as the 12V "portable" or "field" version.
>>> 
>>> k4ia, Buck
>>> K3# 101
>>> Honor Roll  8B DXCC
>>> EasyWayHamBooks.com
>> 
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From xdavid at cis-broadband.com  Mon Nov  4 21:42:08 2019
From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 19:42:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
In-Reply-To: <57B26460-BE34-46C9-8993-892E093B72A7@elecraft.com>
References: <297910598.815493.1572753111484@mail.yahoo.com>
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	<94b07ad2-4ab4-b92a-34e1-2701e8790c36@cis-broadband.com>
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	<331c1ea3-18f8-f14d-d527-410b9d028f28@subich.com>
	<9ffff20d-2c6e-212c-2c70-13adc810b249@Gmail.com>
	<73318822-E63B-42A4-8E00-D4A316A8A873@elecraft.com>
	<50f0da1d-17ef-c9d3-eefc-3529749be3a8@cis-broadband.com>
	<57B26460-BE34-46C9-8993-892E093B72A7@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <6dd3cc06-4a6b-df00-1303-9fd1000c1cce@cis-broadband.com>


I don't want to look like I'm beating a dead horse so this will be my 
last comment on the subject, but my point was that I don't think very 
many contest stations or DXpeditions are going to sell their K3s rigs to 
buy a K4 (I don't see a compelling reason for them to do so), so I'm not 
sure how much value there is in it being a 12 volt rig even if the price 
range is similar.?? If anyone views that differently I'd like to hear 
their reasoning.

And I'd bet a lot of money that most contesters or DXpedition operators 
would be glued to their laptop screens and punching keyboard buttons 
instead of watching the LCD display on the rig.? I know that I have 
operated entire major contests without ever touching anything except the 
tuning knob on my K3.? Everything else I need to do is controllable from 
N1MM+.

The capability for future features could of course prove me wrong on 
both accounts, but for now it just doesn't seem to me that they would 
likely override the immediate value in having a significantly cleaner 
signal.? Clearly Elecraft has made their choice, for better or for worse.

Done now.? ;)

73,
Dave?? AB7E


On 11/4/2019 6:39 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Elecraft itself was forged during Field Day. This (and other cases where portability matter) are engrained in our DNA :)
>
> A K4 or K4D is actually in a similar price range to K3S stations, as typically configured. And many of these are taken out of the shack, at least historically speaking.
>
> The added convenience of a built-in panadapter is of great utility on FD or for DXpeditions. I used the rig last FD and it definitely enhanced my abilities as an operator. Since we also have a lot of expansion capability in software, we'll be able to add features in the future targeted at enhancing operating convenience and efficiency.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:54 PM, David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I guess I still don't understand that choice, particularly since the bulk of the new features that separate the K4 from the K3s seem geared more toward fixed station use than portable operation.  You could have kept the K3s (which is still a world class rig) for anyone actually needing portable capability while making the K4 a much cleaner rig than it now will be.  I'd be surprised if very many DXpeditions or contesters are going to feel the need to upgrade from a K3s to a K4, and if so I'd be interested in hearing why.   I'd also bet that the great majority of K4 users will never take their rig outside the house or need to run it off emergency power, yet all of them are now going to have signals at least 10 db less clean than was technically practical.
>>
>> Like it or not, Sherwood's recent QST article applies to Elecraft.
>>
>> Dave   AB7E
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/4/2019 4:20 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> We've chosen to have the K4 continue to be a field-capable radio, inheriting the characteristics that have always made the K3/K3S (and the K2 before it) the preferred rig for FD, DXpeditions, and multi-transmitter stations. Thanks to a lightweight but rigid internal aluminum frame, the K4 weighs only slightly more than the K3/K3S, while integrating in a large LCD in a way that increases width by less than 3 inches. (Unlike on many rigs, our front panel includes separate optical encoders for VFO A, VFO B, and RIT/XIT.)
>>>
>>> Current drain of the K4 is half that of most competing high-performance desktop radios, so it can be used with emergency power. At home, use 13.8 to 14.2 V for lowest IMD. In the field, the K3 (and now, the K4) automatically scales maximum power output based on supply voltage, and can run down to as low as 11 V.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 3:07 PM, Buck <radiok4ia at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps the K4 should have been a 40V radio and the K3S remain as the 12V "portable" or "field" version.
>>>>
>>>> k4ia, Buck
>>>> K3# 101
>>>> Honor Roll  8B DXCC
>>>> EasyWayHamBooks.com
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From scott.manthe at gmail.com  Mon Nov  4 22:32:19 2019
From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 22:32:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
In-Reply-To: <6dd3cc06-4a6b-df00-1303-9fd1000c1cce@cis-broadband.com>
References: <297910598.815493.1572753111484@mail.yahoo.com>
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	<210C7C0599C92B44A8A9DA3AAD266AF0010B579DC6@EXCH2010FE.esfi.net>
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	<477f842c-8f21-ef59-944e-d7d5780cd05a@subich.com>
	<94b07ad2-4ab4-b92a-34e1-2701e8790c36@cis-broadband.com>
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	<331c1ea3-18f8-f14d-d527-410b9d028f28@subich.com>
	<9ffff20d-2c6e-212c-2c70-13adc810b249@Gmail.com>
	<73318822-E63B-42A4-8E00-D4A316A8A873@elecraft.com>
	<50f0da1d-17ef-c9d3-eefc-3529749be3a8@cis-broadband.com>
	<57B26460-BE34-46C9-8993-892E093B72A7@elecraft.com>
	<6dd3cc06-4a6b-df00-1303-9fd1000c1cce@cis-broadband.com>
Message-ID: <9d7d6761-6d51-2cf8-58cd-1076154abc34@gmail.com>

How much money would you like to bet? As much as Eric and Wayne? If your 
assertion were true, no one would buy a Flex, or an Icom or a FTDX-101. 
Hams love new stuff and there's a reason that Wayne and Eric are willing 
to bet their actual money against your virtual money that lots of ops 
will want a K4. If you've been following this list, people have been 
asking for a replacement for the K3/K3S for a decade. I'm pretty sure if 
Elecraft builds it, the customers will come.

The K4 will likely have a cleaner signal than the K3S due to predistortion.

73,
Scott N9AA


On 11/4/19 9:42 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
>
> I don't want to look like I'm beating a dead horse so this will be my 
> last comment on the subject, but my point was that I don't think very 
> many contest stations or DXpeditions are going to sell their K3s rigs 
> to buy a K4 (I don't see a compelling reason for them to do so), so 
> I'm not sure how much value there is in it being a 12 volt rig even if 
> the price range is similar.?? If anyone views that differently I'd 
> like to hear their reasoning.
>
> And I'd bet a lot of money that most contesters or DXpedition 
> operators would be glued to their laptop screens and punching keyboard 
> buttons instead of watching the LCD display on the rig. I know that I 
> have operated entire major contests without ever touching anything 
> except the tuning knob on my K3.? Everything else I need to do is 
> controllable from N1MM+.
>
> The capability for future features could of course prove me wrong on 
> both accounts, but for now it just doesn't seem to me that they would 
> likely override the immediate value in having a significantly cleaner 
> signal.? Clearly Elecraft has made their choice, for better or for worse.
>
> Done now.? ;)
>
> 73,
> Dave?? AB7E
>
>


From Gary at ka1j.com  Mon Nov  4 23:22:12 2019
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 23:22:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
In-Reply-To: <9d7d6761-6d51-2cf8-58cd-1076154abc34@gmail.com>
References: <297910598.815493.1572753111484@mail.yahoo.com>,
	<6dd3cc06-4a6b-df00-1303-9fd1000c1cce@cis-broadband.com>,
	<9d7d6761-6d51-2cf8-58cd-1076154abc34@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5DC0F8F4.8341.745E7F3@Gary.ka1j.com>

FWIW, I am betting on the K4 and have 
fully pre-paid the estimate on the K4D. 

If it comes out to cost more in the end, 
so be it. I love my K3 & the K3s because 
of their wonderful brilliance, how could I 
not possibly go for the K4 knowing the 
mentality behind the brand?

Personally, I wish I had an iota of the 
necessary mojo to create such a radio. As 
I don't, I have faith in those who do.

My 2 pence...

73,

Gary
KA1J


> How much money would you like to bet? As much as Eric and Wayne? If
> your assertion were true, no one would buy a Flex, or an Icom or a
> FTDX-101. Hams love new stuff and there's a reason that Wayne and Eric
> are willing to bet their actual money against your virtual money that
> lots of ops will want a K4. If you've been following this list, people
> have been asking for a replacement for the K3/K3S for a decade. I'm
> pretty sure if Elecraft builds it, the customers will come.
> 
> The K4 will likely have a cleaner signal than the K3S due to
> predistortion.
> 
> 73,
> Scott N9AA
> 
> 
> On 11/4/19 9:42 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
> >
> > I don't want to look like I'm beating a dead horse so this will be
> > my last comment on the subject, but my point was that I don't think
> > very many contest stations or DXpeditions are going to sell their
> > K3s rigs to buy a K4 (I don't see a compelling reason for them to do
> > so), so I'm not sure how much value there is in it being a 12 volt
> > rig even if the price range is similar.?? If anyone views that
> > differently I'd like to hear their reasoning.
> >
> > And I'd bet a lot of money that most contesters or DXpedition 
> > operators would be glued to their laptop screens and punching
> > keyboard buttons instead of watching the LCD display on the rig. I
> > know that I have operated entire major contests without ever
> > touching anything except the tuning knob on my K3.? Everything else
> > I need to do is controllable from N1MM+.
> >
> > The capability for future features could of course prove me wrong on
> > both accounts, but for now it just doesn't seem to me that they
> > would likely override the immediate value in having a significantly
> > cleaner signal.? Clearly Elecraft has made their choice, for better
> > or for worse.
> >
> > Done now.? ;)
> >
> > 73,
> > Dave?? AB7E
> >
> >
> 
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From dl9hda at dl9hda.de  Mon Nov  4 23:49:36 2019
From: dl9hda at dl9hda.de (Holger Doerschel)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 05:49:36 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 Power Measurements
In-Reply-To: <42bb3355-6c5a-2c3b-989f-951007eadef2@embarqmail.com>
References: <780c8784-67b7-dc96-06d9-e102d23f475e@dl9hda.de>
	<42bb3355-6c5a-2c3b-989f-951007eadef2@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <57d8a6d1-b270-ca43-e317-610b998524a8@dl9hda.de>

Dear Don,


I read at the K2 13.6 V. It is a Powerwerx PS from Elecraft with the two 
Powerpole connectors at the front. The Voltage drops at 100 W / 28 MHz 
to 12.2 V. I already replaced D16. No change. I tried several PS.


73,

Holger DL9HDA


On 05.11.19 02:46, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Holger,
>
> Is your power supply voltage at 13.8 volts or better yet 14.3 volts? 
> That should be as measured by the voltage display on the K2.? It 
> should not drop below 12.7 volts during a 100 watt transmit.
>
> Part of the problem may be attributed to the voltage vs. frequency 
> curve of KPA100 D16 - which should be a 1N5711 diode.? I have seen 
> diodes that have become "flaky" with use, replacement with a new one 
> is the only cure should that be the problem.
>
> Other than limited voltage to the KPA100 or the response curve for 
> D16, there is usually no other answer for the behavior you are seeing.
>
> Remember that the power may vary by as much as 1 dB from band to band, 
> and at the 100 watt level is about 20 watts, so you may not have any 
> problem other than diode tolerance vs. frequency.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 11/4/2019 4:53 PM, Holger Doerschel wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> after I finally installed the KAF2 module in my K2/100 05775, it was 
>> time to do a complete alignment and I ran into this old problem again.
>>
>> The output power at 160 m is 100 W. And drops from band to band to 80 W.
>>
>> Now I have adjusted the KPA100 to 10m. Now I have there 100 W but 
>> then on 160 m 120 W.
>>
>> Measured with an LP-100A and dummy load. SWR is fine!
>

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Nov  5 00:05:30 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 21:05:30 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 Power Measurements
In-Reply-To: <57d8a6d1-b270-ca43-e317-610b998524a8@dl9hda.de>
References: <780c8784-67b7-dc96-06d9-e102d23f475e@dl9hda.de>
	<42bb3355-6c5a-2c3b-989f-951007eadef2@embarqmail.com>
	<57d8a6d1-b270-ca43-e317-610b998524a8@dl9hda.de>
Message-ID: <5c076ccf-dfff-096e-5aa3-06d3a3ee2940@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 11/4/2019 8:49 PM, Holger Doerschel wrote:
> drops at 100 W / 28 MHz to 12.2 V.

What size wire? How long?

73, Jim K9YC

From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Tue Nov  5 00:15:10 2019
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 20:15:10 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
Message-ID: <201911050515.xA55FEVX024361@mail47c28.carrierzone.com>

Elecraft has made their design decisions for the K4.

Since someone suggested running a 100w 12v device at 60w then it 
occurs to me to obtain 100-120w then run two devices in parallel or 
push-pull.  Should not increase weight or drive requirements by a 
significant amount.  Cost probably under 150%.

I bought the K3/10 initially because i mainly operate VHF thru 
mw.  Later I bought a 10w KX3.  Then decided on the KXPA100 which 
either can drive with about 5w for full output thru 24m.  Of course 
the KXPA100 uses 12v devices but a clever ham could build a two 
device amp, instead.  Only on 6m is full 8w drive required for 80w 
output of the KXPA100.

I use the 1mw (nom) transverter interface to drive transverters on 2m 
and above so output is clean.  I have a 1000w linear* for 6m which 
drives with 11w from the KXPA100 (have to switch on the 3-dB attn on 
input to get that low).  The 1000w amp runs with 48v as do my 2m 
1500w and 600w 1296 LDMOS amps.  I keep output at start of saturation 
or lower on all the high power amps.

*6m 1000w amp is capable of 1600w 24/7 keydown AM operation on ch.2 
TV, so is loafing at 1000w which is the limit of my 48v - 50A PS.

73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 


From wlbaber at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov  5 08:15:15 2019
From: wlbaber at bellsouth.net (WILLIE BABER)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 13:15:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K4] K4 CW and keying Rise Time
In-Reply-To: <789C7700-A7B3-4F58-850C-B93B4F029F46@elecraft.com>
References: <6deefa28-6bf0-330a-a59d-2f7085123076.ref@aol.com>
	<6deefa28-6bf0-330a-a59d-2f7085123076@aol.com>
	<789C7700-A7B3-4F58-850C-B93B4F029F46@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1046333859.1508595.1572959715962@mail.yahoo.com>

I said that, to a person who reported that my radio was generating clicks. "I am using K3, I should be perfectly clean," was my reply.
My K2 was clicky.? I used it Qrp or LP until after I installed the Elecraft modification.
Moreover, after curing Omni 6 and ft1000mp of clicks by installing and testing proven modifications, I do know a little bit about detecting key clicks under my nose---compared to a very strong (but clean) signal.
73, Will, wj9b
CWops #1085
CWA Advisor levels II and III
http://cwops.org/ 

    On Monday, November 4, 2019, 6:22:43 PM EST, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:  
 
 We went to great lengths to create an ideal sigmoidal (raised cosine) rise/fall characteristic for our CW keying envelope. It is set at approximately 5 ms and will not be shortened for any reason. Elecraft rigs don't click.

We also ensure that ALC never interferes with the CW keying waveform. During rise and fall, ALC is open-loop, allowing the characteristic curve to be presented to the output stages.

The result of all this is the narrowest CW keying bandwidth possible consistent with crisp on-the-air sound.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



> On Nov 4, 2019, at 12:21 PM, Dan Atchison via Groups.Io <N3ND=aol.com at groups.io> wrote:
> 
> I am hoping that the K4, like its predecessor the K3(S), does NOT give a user the ability to change its CW rise times.? 
> 
> I believe the K3 is designed for a 5ms rise.? Many, if not most, other manufacturers allow as little as 1ms resulting in CW signals that reach beyond 1kHz of bandwidth by creating horrible key-clicks.? Indeed, their "default" values can be too short.? To what end?? Unscrupulous users setting it so their clicks help keep their run frequency clear?? Terrible to think that but I have heard some station owners admitting same.
> 
> Last weekend's CWSS had many, many horrible key-click stations - some from notable contesters.? I realize that things other than a CW rise time can give cause to key-clicks (antenna connections, hot-switching, etc.), but newer radios shouldn't be the culprit - yet they can be because of manufacturer's oversight (or under-thought).? 
> 
> I've never heard of a short CW rise time being an advantage other than to create havoc. There is a happy medium.
> 
> Dan - N3ND
> 
> 
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From eric.csuf at gmail.com  Tue Nov  5 10:36:24 2019
From: eric.csuf at gmail.com (EricJ)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 07:36:24 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 Power Measurements
In-Reply-To: <5c076ccf-dfff-096e-5aa3-06d3a3ee2940@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <780c8784-67b7-dc96-06d9-e102d23f475e@dl9hda.de>
	<42bb3355-6c5a-2c3b-989f-951007eadef2@embarqmail.com>
	<57d8a6d1-b270-ca43-e317-610b998524a8@dl9hda.de>
	<5c076ccf-dfff-096e-5aa3-06d3a3ee2940@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <b3d4d6cd-ad0c-e18c-a021-f1b5279cd1ab@gmail.com>

Guy goes into Home Depot to buy some wire.

"What size wire?"

'Uh, #14, I think."

"How long?"

"Uh...a long time. We're building a house."


Sorry.....Eric KE6US


On 11/4/2019 9:05 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 11/4/2019 8:49 PM, Holger Doerschel wrote:
>> drops at 100 W / 28 MHz to 12.2 V.
>
> What size wire? How long?
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From ny9h at arrl.net  Tue Nov  5 10:51:54 2019
From: ny9h at arrl.net (Bill Steffey)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:51:54 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] synth board stiffener set K3STFNR
In-Reply-To: <2bf9a631-4d08-1bc0-6c80-2062ab14b628@w7sua.org>
References: <2bf9a631-4d08-1bc0-6c80-2062ab14b628@w7sua.org>
Message-ID: <4f06a7de-45b9-339c-28f4-0349da3624d0@arrl.net>

i have one new in the bag ,,,? if anyone is still looking .....

 ?K3STFNR

15+ FGT...


BILL NY9H at ARRL.NET


From W2xj at w2xj.net  Tue Nov  5 12:00:30 2019
From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:00:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
In-Reply-To: <73318822-E63B-42A4-8E00-D4A316A8A873@elecraft.com>
References: <73318822-E63B-42A4-8E00-D4A316A8A873@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <20A21799-3BD0-43AD-AA6C-0FFB25D4D9F2@w2xj.net>

the next step would be to get rid of linear amplification. It?s an over 90 year old technique that was  originally all but necessary to amplify SSB. New methods employing saturated switching amplification would be much more efficient (90% or more) while having much lower IMD (-80 db or more) and produce a lot less heat all while maintaining 12 volt operation and eliminating the TX D/A converter.  Probably some form of RFPWM but there are other options. 

The wireless data people are all over these technologies as power efficiency in that area is an extreme requirement but because of the frequencies involved this can be a tradeoff against suppressing switching byproducts and require complicated bandpass filters. For HF Ham radio applications only a fairly simple low pass filter would be necessary.   

A thought for a K4S or K5?

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 4, 2019, at 6:21 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi all,
> 
> We've chosen to have the K4 continue to be a field-capable radio, inheriting the characteristics that have always made the K3/K3S (and the K2 before it) the preferred rig for FD, DXpeditions, and multi-transmitter stations. Thanks to a lightweight but rigid internal aluminum frame, the K4 weighs only slightly more than the K3/K3S, while integrating in a large LCD in a way that increases width by less than 3 inches. (Unlike on many rigs, our front panel includes separate optical encoders for VFO A, VFO B, and RIT/XIT.)
> 
> Current drain of the K4 is half that of most competing high-performance desktop radios, so it can be used with emergency power. At home, use 13.8 to 14.2 V for lowest IMD. In the field, the K3 (and now, the K4) automatically scales maximum power output based on supply voltage, and can run down to as low as 11 V.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 3:07 PM, Buck <radiok4ia at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Perhaps the K4 should have been a 40V radio and the K3S remain as the 12V "portable" or "field" version.
>> 
>> k4ia, Buck
>> K3# 101
>> Honor Roll  8B DXCC
>> EasyWayHamBooks.com
> 
> 
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From n1ix at n1ix.com  Tue Nov  5 12:17:07 2019
From: n1ix at n1ix.com (n1ix at n1ix.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:17:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: P3 Panadapter with SVGA and TXMon
Message-ID: <01d501d593fc$da45d930$8ed18b90$@n1ix.com>

P3 with SVGA and TXMon (200W) options. Excellent condition. 

Includes Fred Cady and Elecraft manuals, cables for K3 and K3S.

 

$750 Shipped Paypal OK. 

 


From k2asp at kanafi.org  Tue Nov  5 12:18:42 2019
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:18:42 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
In-Reply-To: <C972DD2A-1E80-450C-B2EB-F23151465B2F@gmail.com>
References: <94b07ad2-4ab4-b92a-34e1-2701e8790c36@cis-broadband.com>
	<C972DD2A-1E80-450C-B2EB-F23151465B2F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9652e038-98cd-2b2b-0542-c89171352bc7@kanafi.org>

On 11/4/2019 1:24 PM, Rick Bates (WA6NHC) wrote:

> Perhaps since that is the standard voltage for cars, trucks, RVs and other vehicles. 

Commercial communication base-station equipment has been standardized at
-48 volts(*) for quite a while and actually needs to use a voltage
converter for the odd-ball +12 V or 120V AC equipment that has to be run.

(*) -48 volts has been the telephone industry standard since Ma Bell was
a  teen-ager!

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

From jim at rhodesend.net  Tue Nov  5 12:28:39 2019
From: jim at rhodesend.net (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 11:28:39 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
In-Reply-To: <9652e038-98cd-2b2b-0542-c89171352bc7@kanafi.org>
References: <94b07ad2-4ab4-b92a-34e1-2701e8790c36@cis-broadband.com>
	<C972DD2A-1E80-450C-B2EB-F23151465B2F@gmail.com>
	<9652e038-98cd-2b2b-0542-c89171352bc7@kanafi.org>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4Y5OEzuLkqDeLGG2CLUv=uU29+P6oW4HCH5hcNCqT=F4w@mail.gmail.com>

There have been a few amateur transceivers made that ran their solid state
finals at higher voltages and then had their own internal supplies. But the
industry has decided that the "standard" is still "12V". The rigs with the
higher voltage just don't take off and induce sales.

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 11:19 AM Phil Kane <k2asp at kanafi.org> wrote:

> On 11/4/2019 1:24 PM, Rick Bates (WA6NHC) wrote:
>
> > Perhaps since that is the standard voltage for cars, trucks, RVs and
> other vehicles.
>
> Commercial communication base-station equipment has been standardized at
> -48 volts(*) for quite a while and actually needs to use a voltage
> converter for the odd-ball +12 V or 120V AC equipment that has to be run.
>
> (*) -48 volts has been the telephone industry standard since Ma Bell was
> a  teen-ager!
>
> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
> Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402
>
> From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
> Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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From W2xj at w2xj.net  Tue Nov  5 12:54:38 2019
From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:54:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
In-Reply-To: <9652e038-98cd-2b2b-0542-c89171352bc7@kanafi.org>
References: <9652e038-98cd-2b2b-0542-c89171352bc7@kanafi.org>
Message-ID: <B4D1DF31-A3B4-4287-B2E1-60BA7B7B433B@w2xj.net>

i?ve been a user of 48 volt gear for decades in my day job but it is not what the average consumer can easily access. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 5, 2019, at 12:19 PM, Phil Kane <k2asp at kanafi.org> wrote:
> 
> ?On 11/4/2019 1:24 PM, Rick Bates (WA6NHC) wrote:
> 
>> Perhaps since that is the standard voltage for cars, trucks, RVs and other vehicles. 
> 
> Commercial communication base-station equipment has been standardized at
> -48 volts(*) for quite a while and actually needs to use a voltage
> converter for the odd-ball +12 V or 120V AC equipment that has to be run.
> 
> (*) -48 volts has been the telephone industry standard since Ma Bell was
> a  teen-ager!
> 
> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
> Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402
> 
> From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
> Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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From ab4iq at comcast.net  Tue Nov  5 15:42:27 2019
From: ab4iq at comcast.net (Ed Pflueger)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 14:42:27 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
In-Reply-To: <9652e038-98cd-2b2b-0542-c89171352bc7@kanafi.org>
References: <94b07ad2-4ab4-b92a-34e1-2701e8790c36@cis-broadband.com>	<C972DD2A-1E80-450C-B2EB-F23151465B2F@gmail.com>
	<9652e038-98cd-2b2b-0542-c89171352bc7@kanafi.org>
Message-ID: <00c801d59419$8a1e1c20$9e5a5460$@comcast.net>

I always used Wilmore supplies to do the various tasks to convert our 48VDC.
Also used them on 72VDC equipment and never had one fail.

Ed.. AB4IQ

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Kane
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 11:19 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued

On 11/4/2019 1:24 PM, Rick Bates (WA6NHC) wrote:

> Perhaps since that is the standard voltage for cars, trucks, RVs and other
vehicles. 

Commercial communication base-station equipment has been standardized at
-48 volts(*) for quite a while and actually needs to use a voltage converter
for the odd-ball +12 V or 120V AC equipment that has to be run.

(*) -48 volts has been the telephone industry standard since Ma Bell was a
teen-ager!

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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From lmarion at mt.net  Tue Nov  5 16:37:16 2019
From: lmarion at mt.net (lmarion)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 14:37:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
In-Reply-To: <00c801d59419$8a1e1c20$9e5a5460$@comcast.net>
References: <94b07ad2-4ab4-b92a-34e1-2701e8790c36@cis-broadband.com>	<C972DD2A-1E80-450C-B2EB-F23151465B2F@gmail.com><9652e038-98cd-2b2b-0542-c89171352bc7@kanafi.org>
	<00c801d59419$8a1e1c20$9e5a5460$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C4934CAD33EB452585308D4F08DACE45@LeroyPC>

The  FAA still uses 13.6 volt AM  around the world, even the Western air 
defense com is same.
The Huge power UPS legacy sytems are part of the same old standard that 
won't die.

leroy  ab7ce


On 11/4/2019 1:24 PM, Rick Bates (WA6NHC) wrote:

> Perhaps since that is the standard voltage for cars, trucks, RVs and other
vehicles.

Commercial communication base-station equipment has been standardized at
-48 volts(*) for quite a while and actually needs to use a voltage converter
for the odd-ball +12 V or 120V AC equipment that has to be run.

(*) -48 volts has been the telephone industry standard since Ma Bell was a
teen-ager!

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402 


From hs0zed at gmail.com  Tue Nov  5 18:56:26 2019
From: hs0zed at gmail.com (Martin Sole)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 06:56:26 +0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
In-Reply-To: <C4934CAD33EB452585308D4F08DACE45@LeroyPC>
References: <94b07ad2-4ab4-b92a-34e1-2701e8790c36@cis-broadband.com>
	<C972DD2A-1E80-450C-B2EB-F23151465B2F@gmail.com>
	<9652e038-98cd-2b2b-0542-c89171352bc7@kanafi.org>
	<00c801d59419$8a1e1c20$9e5a5460$@comcast.net>
	<C4934CAD33EB452585308D4F08DACE45@LeroyPC>
Message-ID: <e0990dad-247a-7e4d-7de0-3c78ccb2733d@gmail.com>


I've been in aviation ground comms pretty much my whole working life, 
now about 43 years, and apart from the odd mobile radio just about every 
bit of kit runs off regular single phase AC from 100-250 volts 50/60Hz 
plus DC at nominally 24 volts, these days often specified as 28 volts in 
line with solid state PA device requirements. Pretty much every GATR or 
TRACON site that provides a DC supply does so either at -48 volts for 
the phone line (and voice switching) systems or 24/28 volts for the 
comms radios often deriving the 24 from the 48 volts supply.

I recall some airfield navigations aids, ILS/DME that had a nominal 12 
volt backup supply but I think that was only some oddball stuff, 
certainly all the equipment I have actually worked on has been 24/28 volt.

Interestingly Icom makes a vehicle radio for air band use 118-137MHz 
about 5 watts carrier so around 20 watts pep. This radio is both 13.8 
and 28 volts capable. It senses when the supply gets about about 14-15 
volt and switches in a buck converter (I guess). Other than small cars 
and pick-up trucks most airfield vehicles are also 24 volt.

I think from a ham shack perspective, going to 24 as opposed to 12 volts 
should not be a big deal. Two batteries in series instead of one. 
Charging in parallel or series as you like. In those same comm site 
systems most of the DC supplies are provided by banks of 2 volt cells 
all racked together and feeding either a direct DC connection to 
equipment or to a UPS. Twice the voltage means half the current with the 
added benefit of half the IxR losses in any given cable. Given the 
impact of solar energy systems maybe not too long before houses get 
built with dedicated battery rooms :)

So far as amateur radio design goes a lot of the top line, for the day, 
AC mains powered base station radios have used 24/28 volt final stages, 
TS930/940/950, IC781, FT1000. I'm sure their modern equivalents do the 
same. Though it does seem that the AC powered base station radio is much 
less common these days, I attribute that less to the wishes of the 
market and more the costs/demands of testing and certification in our 
more risk averse world.

I think it would be a reasonable design goal to have a radio that has? 
low level 10 watt output from on the base unit, with a plug in 100 watt 
12 volts powered PA unit or an equally plug in 100 or 200 watt 24 or 48 
volt PA, use of which would necessitate a different supply but could 
likely include on board the down converter for the rest of the radio. I 
think all of that should be pretty much achievable technically. Not sure 
if the market would be smart enough to recognise the benefits though.

Martin, HS0ZED


On 06/11/2019 04:37, lmarion wrote:
> The? FAA still uses 13.6 volt AM? around the world, even the Western 
> air defense com is same.
> The Huge power UPS legacy sytems are part of the same old standard 
> that won't die.
>
> leroy? ab7ce
>
>
> On 11/4/2019 1:24 PM, Rick Bates (WA6NHC) wrote:
>
>> Perhaps since that is the standard voltage for cars, trucks, RVs and 
>> other
> vehicles.
>
> Commercial communication base-station equipment has been standardized at
> -48 volts(*) for quite a while and actually needs to use a voltage 
> converter
> for the odd-ball +12 V or 120V AC equipment that has to be run.
>
> (*) -48 volts has been the telephone industry standard since Ma Bell 
> was a
> teen-ager!
>
> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
> Elecraft K2/100?? s/n 5402
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From eric at elecraft.com  Tue Nov  5 20:03:45 2019
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:03:45 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
In-Reply-To: <e0990dad-247a-7e4d-7de0-3c78ccb2733d@gmail.com>
References: <e0990dad-247a-7e4d-7de0-3c78ccb2733d@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EC2D1AC9-A10C-4E14-8386-308707A6F11D@elecraft.com>

Folks, we're way over the single topic posting limit here, and the discussion has drifted way off the original topic into transmitter design and other topics.

Lets close this thread now in the interest of relieving our readers of email overload.

Also, please do not cross post to multiple lists as this makes it impossible to moderate replies from the other list.

73,
Eric
Moderator, when I can pull away from other duties at Elecraft ;-)
elecraft.com
_..._


From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Tue Nov  5 20:15:28 2019
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 19:15:28 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 for sale
Message-ID: <2D5F2B68-55CD-4523-924A-80919D960BCC@gmail.com>

Not using it enough.
KX3      KX3 160-6 M Transceiver
KXAT3  Internal automatic antenna tuner  
KXBC3  Internal NiMH Charger/Clock
KXFL3   KXFL3 Dual-Passband Roofing Filter
KXPD3  KXPD3 Precision Keyer Paddle
MH3      MH3 Hand Microphone
KXUSBa USB Cable
Power Cable
Sidekick end panels
Cable to hook up to computer
Manual
Batteries HR6,1.2v/2500mAh
Never had any issues with it


$1250 USD shipped


-73- Frank KG9H





From mspmail2 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  5 20:45:29 2019
From: mspmail2 at gmail.com (Mike Parkes)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:45:29 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] AXE1 assembly problem
Message-ID: <CAP4v5qwg_GncLBDp78BKRBPe=SZBbENgfsnzjTGWqEGqSfgcqQ@mail.gmail.com>

I am just getting around to using the AXE1 and find it is impossible to
screw the extender into the ax1 base ( and I pushed in as hard as I could
while trying to get the threads to connect). It looks to me like a plastic
wrapping around the base of the AXE1 sticks out too far preventing the
threads from reaching. This plastic extension on the axe1 extends out abt
7mm on one side from the base (this plastic part was cut at an angle, 5mm
on one side and 7mm the other.) Should I try and trim this part or send it
back to elecraft?

Mike Parkes AB7RU

From g0ruz at g0ruz.com  Wed Nov  6 05:34:20 2019
From: g0ruz at g0ruz.com (Conrad PA5Y)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 10:34:20 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued
In-Reply-To: <73E443EB-8C8B-45DD-91A4-5C0920B5F538@elecraft.com>
References: <297910598.815493.1572753111484@mail.yahoo.com>
	<15382.1572791411017390218@groups.io>
	<798147f6-134e-954a-f4d6-4542d886b260@gmail.com>
	<8813bf89-3d0a-7e9c-1a81-d36560843c25@triconet.org>
	<210C7C0599C92B44A8A9DA3AAD266AF0010B579DC6@EXCH2010FE.esfi.net>
	<BN8PR18MB292911BA2DC8669F428E3BF29C7F0@BN8PR18MB2929.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
	<e1882401-ad96-7b59-e92c-df5c3fdcfe35@blomand.net>
	<BN8PR18MB2929E6476B78ED2B599C08679C7F0@BN8PR18MB2929.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
	<477f842c-8f21-ef59-944e-d7d5780cd05a@subich.com>
	<94b07ad2-4ab4-b92a-34e1-2701e8790c36@cis-broadband.com>
	<adefe467-ce5c-ad95-0ad0-56133b0d6408@gmail.com>
	<331c1ea3-18f8-f14d-d527-410b9d028f28@subich.com>
	<9ffff20d-2c6e-212c-2c70-13adc810b249@Gmail.com>
	<73318822-E63B-42A4-8E00-D4A316A8A873@elecraft.com>
	<4988bd87-137f-f507-9de3-ece58e73a4a2@subich.com>,
	<73E443EB-8C8B-45DD-91A4-5C0920B5F538@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <AM5P189MB03872F79833FB1BBF7F6274FB5790@AM5P189MB0387.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Wayne I bought a K3S, mainly to use as a transverter driver for which it is excellent. The transverter output is super clean. I also wanted to use it on 6m but there is not any power level where the TX IMD is anywhere near acceptable and it is much worse than an IC7300! I have engaged with your support team but got no useful help. I was advised to run test mode with an external PA! Basically the K3S PA is unusable for SSB on 6m for anyone with a conscience.  I have confirmed the performance with 2 other K3S radios, they are all very poor.  Its a good job that people only use FT8 on 6m these days! As for the SSB contests I will just have to pretend that things are ok ?

I sincerely hope that you pay close attention to 6m TX IMD with the K4 because the K3S completely fails in this regard.

73

Conrad PA5Y

________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
Sent: 05 November 2019 02:31
To: Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued

Joe,

Not everyone uses an amp with their 100-W rig (in fact, far less than half). Like other 100-W radios that are compatible with field use, the K3/K3S/K4 must make ~100 W from a 12-15 V mobile, solar, or battery supply. But it also has to be efficient at this power level.

If you only need amp drive power, the IMD improves. And the K4 is capable of predistortion, which means that at amp drive levels, IMD performance should be truly outstanding.

The transformer ratio is 16:1, the same as most other "12 V capable" 100 W transceivers. If you go to 25:1, drain current goes way up, precluding the use of standard 20/25-A power supplies and making the radio a lot less portable.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
>
> On 2019-11-04 6:20 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> At home, use 13.8 to 14.2 V for lowest IMD. In the field, the K3 (and
>> now, the K4) automatically scales maximum power output based on
>> supply voltage, and can run down to as low as 11 V.
>
> It is a shame that the maximum power output along with bias levels and
> transformer ratios were not selected for lowest obtainable IMD.  Output
> power (100 W) became the only specification that counted even though
> 60 W would have been enough to drive the KPA-500/KPA-1500 with truly
> outstanding IMD.
>
> 73,
>
>   ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2019-11-04 6:20 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> We've chosen to have the K4 continue to be a field-capable radio, inheriting the characteristics that have always made the K3/K3S (and the K2 before it) the preferred rig for FD, DXpeditions, and multi-transmitter stations. Thanks to a lightweight but rigid internal aluminum frame, the K4 weighs only slightly more than the K3/K3S, while integrating in a large LCD in a way that increases width by less than 3 inches. (Unlike on many rigs, our front panel includes separate optical encoders for VFO A, VFO B, and RIT/XIT.)
>> Current drain of the K4 is half that of most competing high-performance desktop radios, so it can be used with emergency power. At home, use 13.8 to 14.2 V for lowest IMD. In the field, the K3 (and now, the K4) automatically scales maximum power output based on supply voltage, and can run down to as low as 11 V.
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 3:07 PM, Buck <radiok4ia at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Perhaps the K4 should have been a 40V radio and the K3S remain as the 12V "portable" or "field" version.
>>>
>>> k4ia, Buck
>>> K3# 101
>>> Honor Roll  8B DXCC
>>> EasyWayHamBooks.com
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From ve2pid at videotron.ca  Wed Nov  6 09:26:15 2019
From: ve2pid at videotron.ca (VE2PID)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 09:26:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] AX1 assembly problem
Message-ID: <37dc7b94-9ee7-bb28-7c12-b27efe7a05e8@videotron.ca>

Hi Mike

There is a small metal cylinder coming with the AXE1. The AXE1 fits into 
it through a hole. At the other end, the AX1 fits into that cylinder. No 
problem here.

BTW be sure that the contact between the cylinder and the base of the 
AXE1 is good...

73, de Pierre VE2PID



From ve2pid at videotron.ca  Wed Nov  6 09:38:48 2019
From: ve2pid at videotron.ca (VE2PID)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 09:38:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] AX1 assembly problem
Message-ID: <3ff3700d-ffdc-29bf-98fe-ec20a8a777b9@videotron.ca>

Hi Mike

There is a small metal cylinder coming with the AXE1. The AXE1 fits into 
it through a hole. At the other end, the AX1 fits into that cylinder. No 
problem here.

BTW be sure that the contact between the cylinder and the base of the 
AXE1 is good...

73, de Pierre VE2PID

From hdv at kpnplanet.nl  Wed Nov  6 15:05:25 2019
From: hdv at kpnplanet.nl (hdv at kpnplanet.nl)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 21:05:25 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S : Command for B-set AUX input
Message-ID: <00a601d594dd$873ef0f0$95bcd2d0$@kpnplanet.nl>

Hi all,

 

I would like to control the K3S AUX antenna input of the B-set, using a
macro.

There is an SWT command, but that just changes the state, without knowing
the start situation.

 

Is there a remote control command to set the B-set rx input to AUX, as a
defined state. (or a string of commands achieving the same)

 

73 Henk

PA0C



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From rayalbers at gmail.com  Wed Nov  6 20:20:07 2019
From: rayalbers at gmail.com (Ray Albers)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 20:20:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] - relay clicking on sending CW
Message-ID: <CAFaaW6u1_who2sun8KVUSzEK6Q2vQY_h5F5zpki6kCwFiQDEVA@mail.gmail.com>

I using a used K3 recently acquired: S/N 8240. I notice that when I send
CW, whether in full or semi QSK mode, there is a relay click upon the first
key closure - just for the first character, e.g., if I send CQ  CQ  CQ, the
relay clicks on each C only.

I thought the K3 uses diode T-R switching so I'm surprised that I hear a
relay operating.  Can anyone enlighten me as to what's going on?

(probably needless to say, everything is working great and I have no
problems - other than my curiosity!)

73
Ray K2HYD

From rayalbers at gmail.com  Thu Nov  7 09:30:10 2019
From: rayalbers at gmail.com (Ray Albers)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 09:30:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Relay click - SOLVED.....
Message-ID: <CAFaaW6trO09kMiNsnJatKUTaxKVHJDnF97sYcqr8=2c2K3VKbw@mail.gmail.com>

?.thanks to comments and suggestions from K9ZTV and W2CS.

My K3 has the Sub Receiver installed, and I have been playing around with
diversity reception, using a random wire connected to the sub-receiver
antenna input BNC connector.  Apparently the carrier operated relay that
protects the receiver from overload is being triggered by lots of RF coming
into that random wire. When I disconnect the receive antenna, no more
clicking. Now that I know what it is, I'll just ignore it. Or maybe someday
I'll rig a manual T-R switch arrangement to disconnect the sub receiver
antenna except when actually using it.

Thanks, gents!

73
Ray K2HYD

From n7za99 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  7 10:55:07 2019
From: n7za99 at gmail.com (Bruce Wade)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 07:55:07 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 apps.
Message-ID: <CAHxvV08UEV9myyHnV_nqr717ZByR4miqZb_v4TNTx-rGS+YycQ@mail.gmail.com>

 Are there any apps that will work with the K4?
Bruce Wade, N7ZA ex W6FKD

From sm6bga at gmail.com  Thu Nov  7 11:00:08 2019
From: sm6bga at gmail.com (Hans Johansson)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 17:00:08 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Lantronix UDS2100
Message-ID: <CAC2q1P+p0nGkoHdx3ENgyq3vREyEKm3+yQOpFGNOwDxqTs4XOg@mail.gmail.com>

I have a KPA500 and a KAT500 at my remote QTH and I want to
remote control them over Internet. For this I am planning to use
a Lantronix UDS2100 ethernet-serial server at the remote radio site.
Is there anyone on this list who has experience of controlling the PA
 and Tuner via Internet with KPA500 remote and KAT500 remote
programs in the computer at the control site.
The control way will thus be:
Control computer - router - internet - router - Lantronix server - KPA500
and KAT500

Hans   SM6BGA

From john at kk9a.com  Thu Nov  7 11:05:46 2019
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 10:05:46 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Relay click - SOLVED.....
Message-ID: <20191107100546.Horde.V64BPMucq7XSn8RJpmNh_XM@www11.qth.com>

Why not reduced the RF to a safe level on the RX line?  I would try  
something like this https://www.dxengineering.com/parts/dxe-rg5000hd  
and move the wire further away if possible to ensure that you do not  
damage the receiver.

John KK9A - W4AAA



Ray Albers K2HYD wrote:

?.thanks to comments and suggestions from K9ZTV and W2CS.

My K3 has the Sub Receiver installed, and I have been playing around with
diversity reception, using a random wire connected to the sub-receiver
antenna input BNC connector.  Apparently the carrier operated relay that
protects the receiver from overload is being triggered by lots of RF coming
into that random wire. When I disconnect the receive antenna, no more
clicking. Now that I know what it is, I'll just ignore it. Or maybe someday
I'll rig a manual T-R switch arrangement to disconnect the sub receiver
antenna except when actually using it.

Thanks, gents!

73
Ray K2HYD


From mike.flowers at gmail.com  Thu Nov  7 11:12:25 2019
From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 08:12:25 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 #2257 woke up deaf this morning ...
Message-ID: <056d01d59586$2580ec20$7082c460$@gmail.com>

Hi Folks,

 

I powered up my trust K3 #2257 this morning and found it deaf.   The RF and
IF stages appear to be working just fine.  I have 20M FT8 showing lots of
signals on my P3, but no audio.

 

WSJT-X shows no audio from LINE OUT either.

 

I'm on the right antenna and haven't fiddled with parameters for months, so
I am wondering if there is anything I might try/check before taking it over
to Watsonville for repairs.

 

Thanks!

 

- 73 and good DX de Mike,  <http://www.qrz.com/db/k6mkf/> K6MKF, NCDXC
<https://www.ncdxc.org/>  Secretary

 


From mspmail2 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  7 11:16:35 2019
From: mspmail2 at gmail.com (Mike Parkes)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 08:16:35 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] AXE1 assembly problem
Message-ID: <CAP4v5qxdSQTJMJ-8Kj_EZ8NAbcctVz+YvTzhf9Qyeo2enCSHbQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to all who replied on this issue. As it turned out the missing part
somehow ended up on the bottom of the whip, instead of inside the base on
the AXE1. Elecraft customer support was also very helpful and replied
shortly after I sent my support question email. Thank you Rob at Elecraft
for your help on that!
73's, Mike AB7RU

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Thu Nov  7 11:26:27 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 10:26:27 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 #2257 woke up deaf this morning ...
In-Reply-To: <056d01d59586$2580ec20$7082c460$@gmail.com>
References: <056d01d59586$2580ec20$7082c460$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <94ffd710-af3c-0506-b4f2-7b7977789ed3@blomand.net>

Check all connectors.? I've found that connectors that just "sit" and 
are never moved will oxidize and prevent signal flow.?? They rely on a 
mechanical connection only.?? Just unplug and re-plug 2 or three times 
for each one.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 11/7/2019 10:12 AM, Mike Flowers wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
>   
>
> I powered up my trust K3 #2257 this morning and found it deaf.   The RF and
> IF stages appear to be working just fine.  I have 20M FT8 showing lots of
> signals on my P3, but no audio.
>
>   
>
> WSJT-X shows no audio from LINE OUT either.
>
>   
>
> I'm on the right antenna and haven't fiddled with parameters for months, so
> I am wondering if there is anything I might try/check before taking it over
> to Watsonville for repairs.
>
>   
>
> Thanks!
>
>   
>
> - 73 and good DX de Mike,  <http://www.qrz.com/db/k6mkf/> K6MKF, NCDXC
> <https://www.ncdxc.org/>  Secretary
>
>   
>
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From k1whs at metrocast.net  Thu Nov  7 11:37:37 2019
From: k1whs at metrocast.net (David Olean)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 16:37:37 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Relay click - SOLVED.....
In-Reply-To: <CAFaaW6trO09kMiNsnJatKUTaxKVHJDnF97sYcqr8=2c2K3VKbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFaaW6trO09kMiNsnJatKUTaxKVHJDnF97sYcqr8=2c2K3VKbw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2e6118ea-9b73-6160-cc6b-be6ac124bad7@metrocast.net>

Hello Ray

I built an RF limiter to put in my 2nd receiver line. It consists of two 
toroids and a pair of 1N914 or other fast diodes. Basically you step up 
the impedance to a pair of diodes and then step it back down to 50 
ohms.? Mine limits nicely at about 0 dBm or so. You can buy similar 
stuff at DXE I think.

Dave K1WHS

On 11/7/2019 2:30 PM, Ray Albers wrote:
> ?.thanks to comments and suggestions from K9ZTV and W2CS.
>
> My K3 has the Sub Receiver installed, and I have been playing around with
> diversity reception, using a random wire connected to the sub-receiver
> antenna input BNC connector.  Apparently the carrier operated relay that
> protects the receiver from overload is being triggered by lots of RF coming
> into that random wire. When I disconnect the receive antenna, no more
> clicking. Now that I know what it is, I'll just ignore it. Or maybe someday
> I'll rig a manual T-R switch arrangement to disconnect the sub receiver
> antenna except when actually using it.
>
> Thanks, gents!
>
> 73
> Ray K2HYD
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From n4zr at comcast.net  Thu Nov  7 11:44:41 2019
From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 11:44:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Adding PTT Out Switching to a K3
In-Reply-To: <CAFaaW6trO09kMiNsnJatKUTaxKVHJDnF97sYcqr8=2c2K3VKbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFaaW6trO09kMiNsnJatKUTaxKVHJDnF97sYcqr8=2c2K3VKbw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a0d5efe4-686b-13c0-461e-f34b3e938696@comcast.net>

I need to be able to disconnect the antenna to my SDRs when 
transmitting.? This used to be easy but now my PTT Out jack is committed 
to the KPA-1500.? I'm looking for suggestions of how best to accomplish 
this - I don't believe sequencing is required, just a second PTT output.

Ideas?

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

On 11/7/2019 9:30 AM, Ray Albers wrote:
> ?.thanks to comments and suggestions from K9ZTV and W2CS.
>
> My K3 has the Sub Receiver installed, and I have been playing around with
> diversity reception, using a random wire connected to the sub-receiver
> antenna input BNC connector.  Apparently the carrier operated relay that
> protects the receiver from overload is being triggered by lots of RF coming
> into that random wire. When I disconnect the receive antenna, no more
> clicking. Now that I know what it is, I'll just ignore it. Or maybe someday
> I'll rig a manual T-R switch arrangement to disconnect the sub receiver
> antenna except when actually using it.
>
> Thanks, gents!
>
> 73
> Ray K2HYD
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From donovanf at starpower.net  Thu Nov  7 11:53:56 2019
From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 11:53:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Adding PTT Out Switching to a K3
In-Reply-To: <a0d5efe4-686b-13c0-461e-f34b3e938696@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1539203637.2218931.1573145636707.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>

Hi Pete, 


If the open circuit (unkeyed) voltage is the same polarity for both devices, 
you can connect a diode in series with each keying line. Then connect 
both diodes to the KEY OUT (not PTT !) jack. 


The voltages do not need to be identical , just the polarity 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 





----- Original Message -----

From: "N4ZR" <n4zr at comcast.net> 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 4:44:41 PM 
Subject: [Elecraft] Adding PTT Out Switching to a K3 

I need to be able to disconnect the antenna to my SDRs when 
transmitting. This used to be easy but now my PTT Out jack is committed 
to the KPA-1500. I'm looking for suggestions of how best to accomplish 
this - I don't believe sequencing is required, just a second PTT output. 

Ideas? 

73, Pete N4ZR 
Check out the Reverse Beacon Network 
at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now 
spotting RTTY activity worldwide. 
For spots, please use your favorite 
"retail" DX cluster. 

On 11/7/2019 9:30 AM, Ray Albers wrote: 
> ?.thanks to comments and suggestions from K9ZTV and W2CS. 
> 
> My K3 has the Sub Receiver installed, and I have been playing around with 
> diversity reception, using a random wire connected to the sub-receiver 
> antenna input BNC connector. Apparently the carrier operated relay that 
> protects the receiver from overload is being triggered by lots of RF coming 
> into that random wire. When I disconnect the receive antenna, no more 
> clicking. Now that I know what it is, I'll just ignore it. Or maybe someday 
> I'll rig a manual T-R switch arrangement to disconnect the sub receiver 
> antenna except when actually using it. 
> 
> Thanks, gents! 
> 
> 73 
> Ray K2HYD 
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Thu Nov  7 11:58:27 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 10:58:27 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Adding PTT Out Switching to a K3
In-Reply-To: <a0d5efe4-686b-13c0-461e-f34b3e938696@comcast.net>
References: <CAFaaW6trO09kMiNsnJatKUTaxKVHJDnF97sYcqr8=2c2K3VKbw@mail.gmail.com>
	<a0d5efe4-686b-13c0-461e-f34b3e938696@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <42684ae7-c5d9-664f-ef67-2f41b1983e99@blomand.net>

Connect the KPA-1500 via the ACC cable and thus free up the PTT 
output.??? The system is very smart and works exceptionally well.?? I 
use this method with my KPA500 and KAT500.

The PTT Out is connected to the VHF transverter.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 11/7/2019 10:44 AM, N4ZR wrote:
> I need to be able to disconnect the antenna to my SDRs when 
> transmitting.? This used to be easy but now my PTT Out jack is 
> committed to the KPA-1500.? I'm looking for suggestions of how best to 
> accomplish this - I don't believe sequencing is required, just a 
> second PTT output.
>
> Ideas?
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
> at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
> spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
> For spots, please use your favorite
> "retail" DX cluster.
>
> On 11/7/2019 9:30 AM, Ray Albers wrote:
>> ?.thanks to comments and suggestions from K9ZTV and W2CS.
>>
>> My K3 has the Sub Receiver installed, and I have been playing around 
>> with
>> diversity reception, using a random wire connected to the sub-receiver
>> antenna input BNC connector.? Apparently the carrier operated relay that
>> protects the receiver from overload is being triggered by lots of RF 
>> coming
>> into that random wire. When I disconnect the receive antenna, no more
>> clicking. Now that I know what it is, I'll just ignore it. Or maybe 
>> someday
>> I'll rig a manual T-R switch arrangement to disconnect the sub receiver
>> antenna except when actually using it.
>>
>> Thanks, gents!
>>
>> 73
>> Ray K2HYD
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From mike.flowers at gmail.com  Thu Nov  7 11:57:52 2019
From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 08:57:52 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 #2257 woke up deaf this morning ...
In-Reply-To: <94ffd710-af3c-0506-b4f2-7b7977789ed3@blomand.net>
References: <94ffd710-af3c-0506-b4f2-7b7977789ed3@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <FBF6C41F-4037-4AF5-BA47-98794654BFE4@gmail.com>

Thanks, Bob.  I powered it off and on a couple of times and it came roaring back to life.  

 In many ways this behavior Is just as disturbing.  

When I have a couple of hours I?ll put it on the bench and exercise (gently) the internal connectors, etc.  

Thanks for your suggestions!!

-- 73 de Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!"

> On Nov 7, 2019, at 8:27 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Check all connectors.  I've found that connectors that just "sit" and are never moved will oxidize and prevent signal flow.   They rely on a mechanical connection only.   Just unplug and re-plug 2 or three times for each one.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
>> On 11/7/2019 10:12 AM, Mike Flowers wrote:
>> Hi Folks,
>> 
>>  
>> I powered up my trust K3 #2257 this morning and found it deaf.   The RF and
>> IF stages appear to be working just fine.  I have 20M FT8 showing lots of
>> signals on my P3, but no audio.
>> 
>>  
>> WSJT-X shows no audio from LINE OUT either.
>> 
>>  
>> I'm on the right antenna and haven't fiddled with parameters for months, so
>> I am wondering if there is anything I might try/check before taking it over
>> to Watsonville for repairs.
>> 
>>  
>> Thanks!
>> 
>>  
>> - 73 and good DX de Mike,  <http://www.qrz.com/db/k6mkf/> K6MKF, NCDXC
>> <https://www.ncdxc.org/>  Secretary
>> 
>>  
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From rick.nk7i at gmail.com  Thu Nov  7 12:02:54 2019
From: rick.nk7i at gmail.com (Rick Bates, NK7I)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 09:02:54 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 #2257 woke up deaf this morning ...
In-Reply-To: <94ffd710-af3c-0506-b4f2-7b7977789ed3@blomand.net>
References: <056d01d59586$2580ec20$7082c460$@gmail.com>
	<94ffd710-af3c-0506-b4f2-7b7977789ed3@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <01a97107-813e-d307-5f87-9682bfdf3d1c@gmail.com>

Also check your filter, NB and NR settings, sometimes they go wonky.

Rick NK7I

On 11/7/2019 8:26 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Check all connectors.? I've found that connectors that just "sit" and 
> are never moved will oxidize and prevent signal flow.?? They rely on a 
> mechanical connection only.?? Just unplug and re-plug 2 or three times 
> for each one.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 11/7/2019 10:12 AM, Mike Flowers wrote:
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>>
>> I powered up my trust K3 #2257 this morning and found it deaf. The RF 
>> and
>> IF stages appear to be working just fine.? I have 20M FT8 showing 
>> lots of
>> signals on my P3, but no audio.
>>
>>
>> WSJT-X shows no audio from LINE OUT either.
>>
>>
>> I'm on the right antenna and haven't fiddled with parameters for 
>> months, so
>> I am wondering if there is anything I might try/check before taking 
>> it over
>> to Watsonville for repairs.
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> - 73 and good DX de Mike,? <http://www.qrz.com/db/k6mkf/> K6MKF, NCDXC
>> <https://www.ncdxc.org/>? Secretary
>>
>>
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From markmusick at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov  7 12:07:04 2019
From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (markmusick at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 17:07:04 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Relay click - SOLVED.....
In-Reply-To: <20191107100546.Horde.V64BPMucq7XSn8RJpmNh_XM@www11.qth.com>
References: <20191107100546.Horde.V64BPMucq7XSn8RJpmNh_XM@www11.qth.com>
Message-ID: <015301d5958d$c87bedb0$5973c910$@sbcglobal.net>

Ray,
I echo John's advice.
I use the DXE-RG5000 on the inputs to my K9AY Beverage antenna switch.
This protects both the main and sub-receivers.
You do not want to rely on the relay in the K3 high RF input circuit.
It is not intended to be the main protection for the receiver.
If the relay is operating, it is telling you that you need additional protection for the receiver or need to move the receive antenna further away from the transmit antenna.
By the way, K3LR uses the DXE-RG5000HD in his contest station. It is tried and proven.

Mark, WB9CIF

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of john at kk9a.com
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 16:06
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Relay click - SOLVED.....

Why not reduced the RF to a safe level on the RX line?  I would try something like this https://www.dxengineering.com/parts/dxe-rg5000hd
and move the wire further away if possible to ensure that you do not damage the receiver.

John KK9A - W4AAA



Ray Albers K2HYD wrote:

?.thanks to comments and suggestions from K9ZTV and W2CS.

My K3 has the Sub Receiver installed, and I have been playing around with diversity reception, using a random wire connected to the sub-receiver antenna input BNC connector.  Apparently the carrier operated relay that protects the receiver from overload is being triggered by lots of RF coming into that random wire. When I disconnect the receive antenna, no more clicking. Now that I know what it is, I'll just ignore it. Or maybe someday I'll rig a manual T-R switch arrangement to disconnect the sub receiver antenna except when actually using it.

Thanks, gents!

73
Ray K2HYD

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From wa8wzg at wa8wzg.net  Thu Nov  7 12:12:22 2019
From: wa8wzg at wa8wzg.net (wa8wzg at wa8wzg.net)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 10:12:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Adding PTT Out Switching to a K3
In-Reply-To: <42684ae7-c5d9-664f-ef67-2f41b1983e99@blomand.net>
References: <CAFaaW6trO09kMiNsnJatKUTaxKVHJDnF97sYcqr8=2c2K3VKbw@mail.gmail.com>
	<a0d5efe4-686b-13c0-461e-f34b3e938696@comcast.net>
	<42684ae7-c5d9-664f-ef67-2f41b1983e99@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <05a4b8e76503c8599587a1d160be88bf@wa8wzg.net>

To All..
while we are on this subject,,
I am looking for a way to to have a separate PTT out for Antenna 2...
I want to be able to control two different amplifiers PTT when switch 
from Antenna 1 and Antenna 2..
Any thoughts??
Thanks
Tom
N7GP
ex WA8WZG



On 2019-11-07 09:58, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Connect the KPA-1500 via the ACC cable and thus free up the PTT
> output.??? The system is very smart and works exceptionally well.?? I
> use this method with my KPA500 and KAT500.
> 
> The PTT Out is connected to the VHF transverter.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> On 11/7/2019 10:44 AM, N4ZR wrote:
>> I need to be able to disconnect the antenna to my SDRs when 
>> transmitting.? This used to be easy but now my PTT Out jack is 
>> committed to the KPA-1500.? I'm looking for suggestions of how best to 
>> accomplish this - I don't believe sequencing is required, just a 
>> second PTT output.
>> 
>> Ideas?
>> 
>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
>> at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
>> spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
>> For spots, please use your favorite
>> "retail" DX cluster.
>> 
>> On 11/7/2019 9:30 AM, Ray Albers wrote:
>>> ?.thanks to comments and suggestions from K9ZTV and W2CS.
>>> 
>>> My K3 has the Sub Receiver installed, and I have been playing around 
>>> with
>>> diversity reception, using a random wire connected to the 
>>> sub-receiver
>>> antenna input BNC connector.? Apparently the carrier operated relay 
>>> that
>>> protects the receiver from overload is being triggered by lots of RF 
>>> coming
>>> into that random wire. When I disconnect the receive antenna, no more
>>> clicking. Now that I know what it is, I'll just ignore it. Or maybe 
>>> someday
>>> I'll rig a manual T-R switch arrangement to disconnect the sub 
>>> receiver
>>> antenna except when actually using it.
>>> 
>>> Thanks, gents!
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> Ray K2HYD
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From markmusick at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov  7 12:19:04 2019
From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (markmusick at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 17:19:04 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Relay click - SOLVED.....
In-Reply-To: <20191107100546.Horde.V64BPMucq7XSn8RJpmNh_XM@www11.qth.com>
References: <20191107100546.Horde.V64BPMucq7XSn8RJpmNh_XM@www11.qth.com>
Message-ID: <015501d5958f$751dd910$5f598b30$@sbcglobal.net>

Ray,
I echo John's advice.
I use the DXE-RG5000 on the inputs to my K9AY Beverage antenna switch.
This protects both the main and sub-receivers.
You do not want to rely on the relay in the K3 high RF input circuit.
It is not intended to be the main protection for the receiver.
If the relay is operating, it is telling you that you need additional protection for the receiver or need to move the receive antenna further away from the transmit antenna.
By the way, K3LR uses the DXE-RG5000HD in his contest station. It is tried and proven.

Mark, WB9CIF


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of john at kk9a.com
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 16:06
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Relay click - SOLVED.....

Why not reduced the RF to a safe level on the RX line?  I would try something like this https://www.dxengineering.com/parts/dxe-rg5000hd
and move the wire further away if possible to ensure that you do not damage the receiver.

John KK9A - W4AAA



Ray Albers K2HYD wrote:

?.thanks to comments and suggestions from K9ZTV and W2CS.

My K3 has the Sub Receiver installed, and I have been playing around with diversity reception, using a random wire connected to the sub-receiver antenna input BNC connector.  Apparently the carrier operated relay that protects the receiver from overload is being triggered by lots of RF coming into that random wire. When I disconnect the receive antenna, no more clicking. Now that I know what it is, I'll just ignore it. Or maybe someday I'll rig a manual T-R switch arrangement to disconnect the sub receiver antenna except when actually using it.

Thanks, gents!

73
Ray K2HYD

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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Nov  7 12:22:03 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 12:22:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Adding PTT Out Switching to a K3
In-Reply-To: <05a4b8e76503c8599587a1d160be88bf@wa8wzg.net>
References: <CAFaaW6trO09kMiNsnJatKUTaxKVHJDnF97sYcqr8=2c2K3VKbw@mail.gmail.com>
	<a0d5efe4-686b-13c0-461e-f34b3e938696@comcast.net>
	<42684ae7-c5d9-664f-ef67-2f41b1983e99@blomand.net>
	<05a4b8e76503c8599587a1d160be88bf@wa8wzg.net>
Message-ID: <573a5f9c-d7c0-2c4a-1466-82a72e1ead15@embarqmail.com>

Tom,

To the best of my knowledge, there is no external signal from the K3/K3S 
to indicate whether ANT1 or ANT2 is active.

If you have any manual switching in place, incorporate it in that switching.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/7/2019 12:12 PM, wa8wzg at wa8wzg.net wrote:
> To All..
> while we are on this subject,,
> I am looking for a way to to have a separate PTT out for Antenna 2...
> I want to be able to control two different amplifiers PTT when switch 
> from Antenna 1 and Antenna 2..
> Any thoughts??
> Thanks
> Tom
> N7GP
> ex WA8WZG
> 
> 
> 
> On 2019-11-07 09:58, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> Connect the KPA-1500 via the ACC cable and thus free up the PTT
>> output.??? The system is very smart and works exceptionally well.?? I
>> use this method with my KPA500 and KAT500.
>>
>> The PTT Out is connected to the VHF transverter.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Bob, K4TAX
>>
>> On 11/7/2019 10:44 AM, N4ZR wrote:
>>> I need to be able to disconnect the antenna to my SDRs when 
>>> transmitting.? This used to be easy but now my PTT Out jack is 
>>> committed to the KPA-1500.? I'm looking for suggestions of how best 
>>> to accomplish this - I don't believe sequencing is required, just a 
>>> second PTT output.
>>>
>>> Ideas?
>>>
>>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>>> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
>>> at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
>>> spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
>>> For spots, please use your favorite
>>> "retail" DX cluster.
>>>
>>> On 11/7/2019 9:30 AM, Ray Albers wrote:
>>>> ?.thanks to comments and suggestions from K9ZTV and W2CS.
>>>>
>>>> My K3 has the Sub Receiver installed, and I have been playing around 
>>>> with
>>>> diversity reception, using a random wire connected to the sub-receiver
>>>> antenna input BNC connector.? Apparently the carrier operated relay 
>>>> that
>>>> protects the receiver from overload is being triggered by lots of RF 
>>>> coming
>>>> into that random wire. When I disconnect the receive antenna, no more
>>>> clicking. Now that I know what it is, I'll just ignore it. Or maybe 
>>>> someday
>>>> I'll rig a manual T-R switch arrangement to disconnect the sub receiver
>>>> antenna except when actually using it.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, gents!
>>>>
>>>> 73
>>>> Ray K2HYD
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From scott.small at gmail.com  Thu Nov  7 13:24:11 2019
From: scott.small at gmail.com (Tox)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 10:24:11 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 apps.
In-Reply-To: <CAHxvV08UEV9myyHnV_nqr717ZByR4miqZb_v4TNTx-rGS+YycQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHxvV08UEV9myyHnV_nqr717ZByR4miqZb_v4TNTx-rGS+YycQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADkB6UqqN8ejD07Z+UCN8Yx59M+CVC0h3g=wG1j3xS-JfUnh+w@mail.gmail.com>

If you're asking about third party apps running locally on the k4, Wayne's
been pretty clear that won't happen.

If you're asking about ability of things like wsjtx to drive it, they've
indicated that will be preserved and encouraged. I would not be surprised
if there are alternate UIs/clients built on their client APIs

Scott

On Thu, Nov 7, 2019, 8:00 AM Bruce Wade <n7za99 at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Are there any apps that will work with the K4?
> Bruce Wade, N7ZA ex W6FKD
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From n7za99 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  7 14:36:16 2019
From: n7za99 at gmail.com (Bruce Wade)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 11:36:16 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 apps.
In-Reply-To: <CADkB6UqqN8ejD07Z+UCN8Yx59M+CVC0h3g=wG1j3xS-JfUnh+w@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CADkB6UqqN8ejD07Z+UCN8Yx59M+CVC0h3g=wG1j3xS-JfUnh+w@mail.gmail.com>
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Ok, thanks.
Bruce Wade


On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 10:24 AM Tox <scott.small at gmail.com> wrote:

> If you're asking about third party apps running locally on the k4, Wayne's
> been pretty clear that won't happen.
>
> If you're asking about ability of things like wsjtx to drive it, they've
> indicated that will be preserved and encouraged. I would not be surprised
> if there are alternate UIs/clients built on their client APIs
>
> Scott
>
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2019, 8:00 AM Bruce Wade <n7za99 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  Are there any apps that will work with the K4?
>> Bruce Wade, N7ZA ex W6FKD
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From n4zr at comcast.net  Thu Nov  7 15:14:06 2019
From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 15:14:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Adding PTT Out Switching to a K3
In-Reply-To: <42684ae7-c5d9-664f-ef67-2f41b1983e99@blomand.net>
References: <CAFaaW6trO09kMiNsnJatKUTaxKVHJDnF97sYcqr8=2c2K3VKbw@mail.gmail.com>
	<a0d5efe4-686b-13c0-461e-f34b3e938696@comcast.net>
	<42684ae7-c5d9-664f-ef67-2f41b1983e99@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <573b95a3-99e0-d4e6-9186-2b677c16a752@comcast.net>

Well I'll be darned.? I just pulled that cable out of the K3 and it is 
indeed redundant.? I must have missed that in the manual.? Thanks, Bob.

While I'm on the subject, I wish that Elecraft would clean up their 
terminology - their use of "Key" to denote PTT is confusing.? See the 
back panel of the K3, for example, which has PTT IN and KEY OUT jacks in 
the same row.? I believe this usage originated with CB.

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

On 11/7/2019 11:58 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Connect the KPA-1500 via the ACC cable and thus free up the PTT 
> output. The system is very smart and works exceptionally well.?? I use 
> this method with my KPA500 and KAT500.
>
> The PTT Out is connected to the VHF transverter.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
> On 11/7/2019 10:44 AM, N4ZR wrote:
>> I need to be able to disconnect the antenna to my SDRs when 
>> transmitting.? This used to be easy but now my PTT Out jack is 
>> committed to the KPA-1500.? I'm looking for suggestions of how best 
>> to accomplish this - I don't believe sequencing is required, just a 
>> second PTT output.
>>
>> Ideas?
>>
>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
>> at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
>> spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
>> For spots, please use your favorite
>> "retail" DX cluster.
>>
>> On 11/7/2019 9:30 AM, Ray Albers wrote:
>>> ?.thanks to comments and suggestions from K9ZTV and W2CS.
>>>
>>> My K3 has the Sub Receiver installed, and I have been playing around 
>>> with
>>> diversity reception, using a random wire connected to the sub-receiver
>>> antenna input BNC connector.? Apparently the carrier operated relay 
>>> that
>>> protects the receiver from overload is being triggered by lots of RF 
>>> coming
>>> into that random wire. When I disconnect the receive antenna, no more
>>> clicking. Now that I know what it is, I'll just ignore it. Or maybe 
>>> someday
>>> I'll rig a manual T-R switch arrangement to disconnect the sub receiver
>>> antenna except when actually using it.
>>>
>>> Thanks, gents!
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Ray K2HYD
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From n4zr at comcast.net  Thu Nov  7 15:16:43 2019
From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 15:16:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Relay click - SOLVED.....
In-Reply-To: <20191107100546.Horde.V64BPMucq7XSn8RJpmNh_XM@www11.qth.com>
References: <20191107100546.Horde.V64BPMucq7XSn8RJpmNh_XM@www11.qth.com>
Message-ID: <7447ade1-0586-fdec-b7c3-356d35d7816a@comcast.net>

Thanks, John - Aside from the price of the DXE unit, I do have a 
proximity problem - my RX antennas are less that 100 feet from my 
transmitting antennas.

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

On 11/7/2019 11:05 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
> Why not reduced the RF to a safe level on the RX line?? I would try 
> something like this https://www.dxengineering.com/parts/dxe-rg5000hd 
> and move the wire further away if possible to ensure that you do not 
> damage the receiver.
>
> John KK9A - W4AAA
>
>
>
> Ray Albers K2HYD wrote:
>
> ?.thanks to comments and suggestions from K9ZTV and W2CS.
>
> My K3 has the Sub Receiver installed, and I have been playing around with
> diversity reception, using a random wire connected to the sub-receiver
> antenna input BNC connector.? Apparently the carrier operated relay that
> protects the receiver from overload is being triggered by lots of RF 
> coming
> into that random wire. When I disconnect the receive antenna, no more
> clicking. Now that I know what it is, I'll just ignore it. Or maybe 
> someday
> I'll rig a manual T-R switch arrangement to disconnect the sub receiver
> antenna except when actually using it.
>
> Thanks, gents!
>
> 73
> Ray K2HYD
>
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From n4zr at comcast.net  Thu Nov  7 15:18:58 2019
From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 15:18:58 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Adding PTT Out Switching to a K3
In-Reply-To: <1539203637.2218931.1573145636707.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
References: <1539203637.2218931.1573145636707.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
Message-ID: <573e1c41-0441-5b3e-0f02-7b247210ab89@comcast.net>

Thanks, Frank - I knew there was some way to do it, just didn't know what.

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

On 11/7/2019 11:53 AM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
> Hi Pete,
>
> If the open circuit (unkeyed) voltage*/is the same polarity/* for both 
> devices,
> you can connect a diode in series with each keying line. Then connect
> both diodes to the KEY OUT (not PTT !) jack.
>
> The voltages */do not need to be identical/*, just the polarity
>
> 73
> Frank
> W3LPL
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *"N4ZR" <n4zr at comcast.net>
> *To: *elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> *Sent: *Thursday, November 7, 2019 4:44:41 PM
> *Subject: *[Elecraft] Adding PTT Out Switching to a K3
>
> I need to be able to disconnect the antenna to my SDRs when
> transmitting.? This used to be easy but now my PTT Out jack is committed
> to the KPA-1500.? I'm looking for suggestions of how best to accomplish
> this - I don't believe sequencing is required, just a second PTT output.
>
> Ideas?
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
> at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
> spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
> For spots, please use your favorite
> "retail" DX cluster.
>
> On 11/7/2019 9:30 AM, Ray Albers wrote:
> > ?.thanks to comments and suggestions from K9ZTV and W2CS.
> >
> > My K3 has the Sub Receiver installed, and I have been playing around 
> with
> > diversity reception, using a random wire connected to the sub-receiver
> > antenna input BNC connector. ?Apparently the carrier operated relay that
> > protects the receiver from overload is being triggered by lots of RF 
> coming
> > into that random wire. When I disconnect the receive antenna, no more
> > clicking. Now that I know what it is, I'll just ignore it. Or maybe 
> someday
> > I'll rig a manual T-R switch arrangement to disconnect the sub receiver
> > antenna except when actually using it.
> >
> > Thanks, gents!
> >
> > 73
> > Ray K2HYD
> > ______________________________________________________________
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From hms4 at lehigh.edu  Thu Nov  7 15:34:23 2019
From: hms4 at lehigh.edu (Howard Sherer)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 15:34:23 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] will utility programs run on Apple Ipad os ?
Message-ID: <CAFmQ1mve8HZK6Q=6H-MBst=7rTTxs1YL08vKvpi8T127t0aDxg@mail.gmail.com>

Will any of the K3, KPA and KAT utility programs and remote programs run on
the new Apple Ipad os ?

From scott.small at gmail.com  Thu Nov  7 15:47:48 2019
From: scott.small at gmail.com (Tox)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 12:47:48 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] 4k monitors for the shack, late 2019
Message-ID: <CADkB6UpxaQhHDu1NqqAif9mYL3Mwr6BWRVT5gnfJeCbacV-o8A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

I'm going to continue to eagerly await a K4 for A While. In the
meantime, I've been reconfiguring a room to become my shack, and am
slowly terraforming it.

I'd like to pick up a couple of HDMI displays to hang on the wall
above/behind the rig and the computer I interface to it. Viewing angle
will be shaded, pretty much on-axis due to location, and it will be
right next to the entry of my feedline. Expected usage would be
waterfall/UI and pskreporter type apps.

What can people suggest for quasi-affordable *RF-quiet* 4k displays in
the 27-40" range? (I'm not averse to buying something like one of the
midtier Samsungs, but do not have enough left in the wallet to
consider things like OLED).

Bonus points for quiet 4k HDMI switchers so I can bring Pis to the party.

Thanks,

Scott
AD6YT
-- 
Scott Small

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Nov  7 16:06:51 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 16:06:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Adding PTT Out Switching to a K3
In-Reply-To: <573b95a3-99e0-d4e6-9186-2b677c16a752@comcast.net>
References: <CAFaaW6trO09kMiNsnJatKUTaxKVHJDnF97sYcqr8=2c2K3VKbw@mail.gmail.com>
	<a0d5efe4-686b-13c0-461e-f34b3e938696@comcast.net>
	<42684ae7-c5d9-664f-ef67-2f41b1983e99@blomand.net>
	<573b95a3-99e0-d4e6-9186-2b677c16a752@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <323c5633-42a5-5f5a-da29-3e5b2d2d7445@embarqmail.com>

Pete,

To my mind, the PTT and KEY OUT nomenclature used by Elecraft is 
entirely correct and completely descriptive of what each does.  Yes, I 
know that some other rigs use PTT and KEYOUT interchangably, Icom 
confuses my mind more by labeling the KEYOUT with SEND.

PTT is what you do to put the transceiver into transmit - Push To Talk. 
That may be like activating the PTT button on the microphone (I shudder 
when a ham talks about "keying the mic" - to me that is CB talk) or it 
can be from an external device such as a footswitch.

KEY OUT is just what it says:  It is an output signal that is to be used 
to key other devices (such as an amplifier) when the transceiver is in 
transmit.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/7/2019 3:14 PM, N4ZR wrote:
> Well I'll be darned.? I just pulled that cable out of the K3 and it is 
> indeed redundant.? I must have missed that in the manual.? Thanks, Bob.
> 
> While I'm on the subject, I wish that Elecraft would clean up their 
> terminology - their use of "Key" to denote PTT is confusing.? See the 
> back panel of the K3, for example, which has PTT IN and KEY OUT jacks in 
> the same row.? I believe this usage originated with CB.
> 

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Nov  7 16:19:59 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 13:19:59 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] 4k monitors for the shack, late 2019
In-Reply-To: <CADkB6UpxaQhHDu1NqqAif9mYL3Mwr6BWRVT5gnfJeCbacV-o8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADkB6UpxaQhHDu1NqqAif9mYL3Mwr6BWRVT5gnfJeCbacV-o8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <99332784-b0ec-1094-ab6d-56a7c884c2bd@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 11/7/2019 12:47 PM, Tox wrote:
> What can people suggest for quasi-affordable*RF-quiet*  4k displays in
> the 27-40" range? (I'm not averse to buying something like one of the
> midtier Samsungs, but do not have enough left in the wallet to
> consider things like OLED).

Why 4K? I own a half dozen 23-in 1920x1080 Samsung displays that 
nominally use 14VDC, but run just fine on 12-13VDC. The major source of 
noise for most displays is the switch-mode power supply (wall wart) that 
provides that DC voltage. I cut the cable for the noisy power supply, 
splice it to an old linear supply. I've gone a step further -- I run the 
monitors in my shack from a big 12V battery that runs other ham gear, 
and float-charge that battery with a suitable charge regulator.

Since I bought these (about $200 each), the trend has been to higher DC 
voltage. Also, larger and higher res displays tend to use higher voltage.

73, Jim K9YC

From rthorne at rthorne.net  Thu Nov  7 16:21:02 2019
From: rthorne at rthorne.net (Richard Thorne)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 15:21:02 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] 4k monitors for the shack, late 2019
In-Reply-To: <CADkB6UpxaQhHDu1NqqAif9mYL3Mwr6BWRVT5gnfJeCbacV-o8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADkB6UpxaQhHDu1NqqAif9mYL3Mwr6BWRVT5gnfJeCbacV-o8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9c43ad4b-ab6d-82b9-de54-8276fdaeb3f9@rthorne.net>

Scott,

I've been looking at the following monitor 
https://www.newegg.com/lg-43ud79-b-43-uhd/p/N82E16824025629? The price 
recently dropped as it used to be in the $600+ range.

Watch the video on the LG site.? You can have multiple inputs. For 
example your main computer and maybe the output of the K4. It will be 
nice if and when DXLabs or N1MM can integrate dx spots onto the 
display.? Imagine having the K4 plugged into a large monitor and a mouse 
plugged into the K4.? When a spot you need or want shows up on the 
pan-adapter use the K4 mouse, click on the spot and bam, the rig is on 
frequency.

I'm currently running a Dell 34" curved monitor which has lots of real 
estate.? I'm thinking real hard about the LG 43" monitor because of the 
dual inputs.

Rich - N5ZC

On 11/7/2019 2:47 PM, Tox wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I'm going to continue to eagerly await a K4 for A While. In the
> meantime, I've been reconfiguring a room to become my shack, and am
> slowly terraforming it.
>
> I'd like to pick up a couple of HDMI displays to hang on the wall
> above/behind the rig and the computer I interface to it. Viewing angle
> will be shaded, pretty much on-axis due to location, and it will be
> right next to the entry of my feedline. Expected usage would be
> waterfall/UI and pskreporter type apps.
>
> What can people suggest for quasi-affordable *RF-quiet* 4k displays in
> the 27-40" range? (I'm not averse to buying something like one of the
> midtier Samsungs, but do not have enough left in the wallet to
> consider things like OLED).
>
> Bonus points for quiet 4k HDMI switchers so I can bring Pis to the party.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott
> AD6YT

From w6png at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  7 16:59:23 2019
From: w6png at yahoo.com (Paul Gacek)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 13:59:23 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] 4k monitors for the shack, late 2019
In-Reply-To: <CADkB6UpxaQhHDu1NqqAif9mYL3Mwr6BWRVT5gnfJeCbacV-o8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADkB6UpxaQhHDu1NqqAif9mYL3Mwr6BWRVT5gnfJeCbacV-o8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CCA8A372-C058-4CBC-AA4C-424EBD30794C@yahoo.com>

Only Apple could come up with a desktop display that cost more than the K4.

https://www.apple.com/pro-display-xdr/ <https://www.apple.com/pro-display-xdr/>

Paul
W6PNG

> On Nov 7, 2019, at 12:47 PM, Tox <scott.small at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I'm going to continue to eagerly await a K4 for A While. In the
> meantime, I've been reconfiguring a room to become my shack, and am
> slowly terraforming it.
> 
> I'd like to pick up a couple of HDMI displays to hang on the wall
> above/behind the rig and the computer I interface to it. Viewing angle
> will be shaded, pretty much on-axis due to location, and it will be
> right next to the entry of my feedline. Expected usage would be
> waterfall/UI and pskreporter type apps.
> 
> What can people suggest for quasi-affordable *RF-quiet* 4k displays in
> the 27-40" range? (I'm not averse to buying something like one of the
> midtier Samsungs, but do not have enough left in the wallet to
> consider things like OLED).
> 
> Bonus points for quiet 4k HDMI switchers so I can bring Pis to the party.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Scott
> AD6YT
> -- 
> Scott Small
> ______________________________________________________________
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From w6png at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  7 16:59:23 2019
From: w6png at yahoo.com (Paul Gacek)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 13:59:23 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] 4k monitors for the shack, late 2019
In-Reply-To: <CADkB6UpxaQhHDu1NqqAif9mYL3Mwr6BWRVT5gnfJeCbacV-o8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADkB6UpxaQhHDu1NqqAif9mYL3Mwr6BWRVT5gnfJeCbacV-o8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CCA8A372-C058-4CBC-AA4C-424EBD30794C@yahoo.com>

Only Apple could come up with a desktop display that cost more than the K4.

https://www.apple.com/pro-display-xdr/ <https://www.apple.com/pro-display-xdr/>

Paul
W6PNG

> On Nov 7, 2019, at 12:47 PM, Tox <scott.small at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I'm going to continue to eagerly await a K4 for A While. In the
> meantime, I've been reconfiguring a room to become my shack, and am
> slowly terraforming it.
> 
> I'd like to pick up a couple of HDMI displays to hang on the wall
> above/behind the rig and the computer I interface to it. Viewing angle
> will be shaded, pretty much on-axis due to location, and it will be
> right next to the entry of my feedline. Expected usage would be
> waterfall/UI and pskreporter type apps.
> 
> What can people suggest for quasi-affordable *RF-quiet* 4k displays in
> the 27-40" range? (I'm not averse to buying something like one of the
> midtier Samsungs, but do not have enough left in the wallet to
> consider things like OLED).
> 
> Bonus points for quiet 4k HDMI switchers so I can bring Pis to the party.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Scott
> AD6YT
> -- 
> Scott Small
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From ve3nr at bell.net  Thu Nov  7 17:09:16 2019
From: ve3nr at bell.net (Bert)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 17:09:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 4k monitors for the shack, late 2019
In-Reply-To: <CCA8A372-C058-4CBC-AA4C-424EBD30794C@yahoo.com>
References: <CADkB6UpxaQhHDu1NqqAif9mYL3Mwr6BWRVT5gnfJeCbacV-o8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CCA8A372-C058-4CBC-AA4C-424EBD30794C@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <384d66bd-5d75-f0c7-399e-25e674004e0a@bell.net>

There are always people happy to part with their money! ;-))

Bert? VE3NR


On 11/7/2019 4:59 PM, Paul Gacek via Elecraft wrote:
> Only Apple could come up with a desktop display that cost more than the K4.
>
> https://www.apple.com/pro-display-xdr/ <https://www.apple.com/pro-display-xdr/>
>
> Paul
> W6PNG
>
>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 12:47 PM, Tox <scott.small at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I'm going to continue to eagerly await a K4 for A While. In the
>> meantime, I've been reconfiguring a room to become my shack, and am
>> slowly terraforming it.
>>
>> I'd like to pick up a couple of HDMI displays to hang on the wall
>> above/behind the rig and the computer I interface to it. Viewing angle
>> will be shaded, pretty much on-axis due to location, and it will be
>> right next to the entry of my feedline. Expected usage would be
>> waterfall/UI and pskreporter type apps.
>>
>> What can people suggest for quasi-affordable *RF-quiet* 4k displays in
>> the 27-40" range? (I'm not averse to buying something like one of the
>> midtier Samsungs, but do not have enough left in the wallet to
>> consider things like OLED).
>>
>> Bonus points for quiet 4k HDMI switchers so I can bring Pis to the party.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Scott
>> AD6YT
>> -- 
>> Scott Small
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Thu Nov  7 17:38:34 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 17:38:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 4k monitors for the shack, late 2019
In-Reply-To: <384d66bd-5d75-f0c7-399e-25e674004e0a@bell.net>
References: <CADkB6UpxaQhHDu1NqqAif9mYL3Mwr6BWRVT5gnfJeCbacV-o8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CCA8A372-C058-4CBC-AA4C-424EBD30794C@yahoo.com>
	<384d66bd-5d75-f0c7-399e-25e674004e0a@bell.net>
Message-ID: <6C4DCC0E-6A87-4F20-BEE4-2B370A948E26@gmail.com>

For ham use in the shack it would be pointless (unless you have money burning holes in your pocket).  If you do photography/video editing or graphics as a pro ? that?s another thing entirely, and where the market for this display lives :-)

Grant NQ5T



> On Nov 7, 2019, at 5:09 PM, Bert <ve3nr at bell.net> wrote:
> 
> There are always people happy to part with their money! ;-))
> 
> Bert  VE3NR
> 
> 
> On 11/7/2019 4:59 PM, Paul Gacek via Elecraft wrote:
>> Only Apple could come up with a desktop display that cost more than the K4.
>> 
>> https://www.apple.com/pro-display-xdr/ <https://www.apple.com/pro-display-xdr/>
>> 
>> Paul
>> W6PNG
>> 
>>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 12:47 PM, Tox <scott.small at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> I'm going to continue to eagerly await a K4 for A While. In the
>>> meantime, I've been reconfiguring a room to become my shack, and am
>>> slowly terraforming it.
>>> 
>>> I'd like to pick up a couple of HDMI displays to hang on the wall
>>> above/behind the rig and the computer I interface to it. Viewing angle
>>> will be shaded, pretty much on-axis due to location, and it will be
>>> right next to the entry of my feedline. Expected usage would be
>>> waterfall/UI and pskreporter type apps.
>>> 
>>> What can people suggest for quasi-affordable *RF-quiet* 4k displays in
>>> the 27-40" range? (I'm not averse to buying something like one of the
>>> midtier Samsungs, but do not have enough left in the wallet to
>>> consider things like OLED).
>>> 
>>> Bonus points for quiet 4k HDMI switchers so I can bring Pis to the party.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Scott
>>> AD6YT
>>> -- 
>>> Scott Small
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
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From raysills3 at verizon.net  Thu Nov  7 17:45:59 2019
From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Raymond Sills)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 22:45:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] 4k monitors for the shack, late 2019
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As I replied to Paul:
I'm not going to run out and buy one of those.... but in it's defense... it IS designed for high level video use, as in network edit rooms, or graphics design rooms. ?It has many display refresh rates, so it can marry into various TV uses in many countries. ?It's meant to be a professional product. ?There are studios that spent that much on just a microphone, let alone a broadcast TV camera and its lens, which costs more than a car.
I solve the whole issue by simply not having a shack. ?All my operating is a la portable. ?So, I don't need any monitors. ?
73 de RayK2ULRKX3 #211

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From: Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com>
To: Bert <ve3nr at bell.net>
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Sent: Thu, Nov 7, 2019 5:39 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 4k monitors for the shack, late 2019

For ham use in the shack it would be pointless (unless you have money burning holes in your pocket).? If you do photography/video editing or graphics as a pro ? that?s another thing entirely, and where the market for this display lives :-)

Grant NQ5T



> On Nov 7, 2019, at 5:09 PM, Bert <ve3nr at bell.net> wrote:
> 
> There are always people happy to part with their money! ;-))
> 
> Bert? VE3NR
> 
> 
> On 11/7/2019 4:59 PM, Paul Gacek via Elecraft wrote:
>> Only Apple could come up with a desktop display that cost more than the K4.
>> 
>> https://www.apple.com/pro-display-xdr/ <https://www.apple.com/pro-display-xdr/>
>> 
>> Paul
>> W6PNG
>> 
>>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 12:47 PM, Tox <scott.small at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> I'm going to continue to eagerly await a K4 for A While. In the
>>> meantime, I've been reconfiguring a room to become my shack, and am
>>> slowly terraforming it.
>>> 
>>> I'd like to pick up a couple of HDMI displays to hang on the wall
>>> above/behind the rig and the computer I interface to it. Viewing angle
>>> will be shaded, pretty much on-axis due to location, and it will be
>>> right next to the entry of my feedline. Expected usage would be
>>> waterfall/UI and pskreporter type apps.
>>> 
>>> What can people suggest for quasi-affordable *RF-quiet* 4k displays in
>>> the 27-40" range? (I'm not averse to buying something like one of the
>>> midtier Samsungs, but do not have enough left in the wallet to
>>> consider things like OLED).
>>> 
>>> Bonus points for quiet 4k HDMI switchers so I can bring Pis to the party.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Scott
>>> AD6YT
>>> -- 
>>> Scott Small
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Nov  7 17:47:02 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 14:47:02 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] 4k monitors for the shack, late 2019
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On 11/7/2019 12:47 PM, Tox wrote:
> I'd like to pick up a couple of HDMI displays

In my earlier post, I forgot to mention that some displays are noisy and 
some are quiet. Years ago, someone gave me a Samsung with touch on-off 
control that was both very noisy and also turned flips when it sees a 
lot of RF. Which is why he gave it to me. :)

Most noise from displays is radiated by the video cable and the power 
cable, and that component of noise can be suppressed by winding turns 
through a #31 Fair-Rite core.

73, Jim K9YC

From jim at jtmiller.com  Thu Nov  7 17:48:29 2019
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 17:48:29 -0500
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Or this one which is really nice. Dell U4919

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-ultrasharp-49-curved-monitor-u4919dw/apd/210-arnw/monitors-monitor-accessories

My early xmas/birthday gift to myself!!

jim ab3cv


On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 5:40 PM Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com> wrote:

> For ham use in the shack it would be pointless (unless you have money
> burning holes in your pocket).  If you do photography/video editing or
> graphics as a pro ? that?s another thing entirely, and where the market for
> this display lives :-)
>
> Grant NQ5T
>
>
>
> > On Nov 7, 2019, at 5:09 PM, Bert <ve3nr at bell.net> wrote:
> >
> > There are always people happy to part with their money! ;-))
> >
> > Bert  VE3NR
> >
> >
> > On 11/7/2019 4:59 PM, Paul Gacek via Elecraft wrote:
> >> Only Apple could come up with a desktop display that cost more than the
> K4.
> >>
> >> https://www.apple.com/pro-display-xdr/ <
> https://www.apple.com/pro-display-xdr/>
> >>
> >> Paul
> >> W6PNG
> >>
> >>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 12:47 PM, Tox <scott.small at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello all,
> >>>
> >>> I'm going to continue to eagerly await a K4 for A While. In the
> >>> meantime, I've been reconfiguring a room to become my shack, and am
> >>> slowly terraforming it.
> >>>
> >>> I'd like to pick up a couple of HDMI displays to hang on the wall
> >>> above/behind the rig and the computer I interface to it. Viewing angle
> >>> will be shaded, pretty much on-axis due to location, and it will be
> >>> right next to the entry of my feedline. Expected usage would be
> >>> waterfall/UI and pskreporter type apps.
> >>>
> >>> What can people suggest for quasi-affordable *RF-quiet* 4k displays in
> >>> the 27-40" range? (I'm not averse to buying something like one of the
> >>> midtier Samsungs, but do not have enough left in the wallet to
> >>> consider things like OLED).
> >>>
> >>> Bonus points for quiet 4k HDMI switchers so I can bring Pis to the
> party.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Scott
> >>> AD6YT
> >>> --
> >>> Scott Small
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From ky5g at montac.com  Thu Nov  7 17:59:34 2019
From: ky5g at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 16:59:34 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] 4k monitors for the shack, late 2019
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One word....       ASUS.
 

 
Asus has a huge line of monitors...    many with external power supplies giving you the option to put them on a linear DC supply...
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
>  
> On Nov 7, 2019 at 14:47, Tox  <scott.small at gmail.com>  wrote:
>  
>  
>  Hello all, I'm going to continue to eagerly await a K4 for A While. In the meantime, I've been reconfiguring a room to become my shack, and am slowly terraforming it. I'd like to pick up a couple of HDMI displays to hang on the wall above/behind the rig and the computer I interface to it. Viewing angle will be shaded, pretty much on-axis due to location, and it will be right next to the entry of my feedline. Expected usage would be waterfall/UI and pskreporter type apps. What can people suggest for quasi-affordable *RF-quiet* 4k displays in the 27-40" range? (I'm not averse to buying something like one of the midtier Samsungs, but do not have enough left in the wallet to consider things like OLED). Bonus points for quiet 4k HDMI switchers so I can bring Pis to the party. Thanks, Scott AD6YT -- Scott Small ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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From ve3nr at bell.net  Thu Nov  7 18:11:38 2019
From: ve3nr at bell.net (Bert)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 18:11:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 4k monitors for the shack, late 2019
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Agree - I use several ASUS monitors and they are all quiet!

Bert VE3NR



On 11/7/2019 5:59 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
>   
>   
> One word....       ASUS.
>   
>
>   
> Asus has a huge line of monitors...    many with external power supplies giving you the option to put them on a linear DC supply...
>   
>   
>   
>
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>>   
>> On Nov 7, 2019 at 14:47, Tox  <scott.small at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>   
>>   
>>   Hello all, I'm going to continue to eagerly await a K4 for A While. In the meantime, I've been reconfiguring a room to become my shack, and am slowly terraforming it. I'd like to pick up a couple of HDMI displays to hang on the wall above/behind the rig and the computer I interface to it. Viewing angle will be shaded, pretty much on-axis due to location, and it will be right next to the entry of my feedline. Expected usage would be waterfall/UI and pskreporter type apps. What can people suggest for quasi-affordable *RF-quiet* 4k displays in the 27-40" range? (I'm not averse to buying something like one of the midtier Samsungs, but do not have enough left in the wallet to consider things like OLED). Bonus points for quiet 4k HDMI switchers so I can bring Pis to the party. Thanks, Scott AD6YT -- Scott Small ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/m
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From rick at eversoles.com  Thu Nov  7 18:16:58 2019
From: rick at eversoles.com (Richard Eversole)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 15:16:58 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] 4k monitors for the shack, late 2019
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You may want to try cheap 4k tv... Some under $200... Several under $280...
Some use dc connector. I was going to try a couple and see... If they are
ng then return... For nongamers these should be fine... Under $200 means no
roku or other bells and whistles.... Seen nonham reviews that indicate
picture ok...

Tv's seem to be rca and Chinese off labels
For monitors LG and Samsung seem ok

On Thu, Nov 7, 2019, 15:01 Clay Autery <ky5g at montac.com> wrote:

>
>
> One word....       ASUS.
>
>
>
> Asus has a huge line of monitors...    many with external power supplies
> giving you the option to put them on a linear DC supply...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > On Nov 7, 2019 at 14:47, Tox  <scott.small at gmail.com>  wrote:
> >
> >
> >  Hello all, I'm going to continue to eagerly await a K4 for A While. In
> the meantime, I've been reconfiguring a room to become my shack, and am
> slowly terraforming it. I'd like to pick up a couple of HDMI displays to
> hang on the wall above/behind the rig and the computer I interface to it.
> Viewing angle will be shaded, pretty much on-axis due to location, and it
> will be right next to the entry of my feedline. Expected usage would be
> waterfall/UI and pskreporter type apps. What can people suggest for
> quasi-affordable *RF-quiet* 4k displays in the 27-40" range? (I'm not
> averse to buying something like one of the midtier Samsungs, but do not
> have enough left in the wallet to consider things like OLED). Bonus points
> for quiet 4k HDMI switchers so I can bring Pis to the party. Thanks, Scott
> AD6YT -- Scott Small
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From rick.nk7i at gmail.com  Thu Nov  7 18:48:04 2019
From: rick.nk7i at gmail.com (Rick Bates, NK7I)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 15:48:04 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] 4k monitors for the shack, late 2019
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It would be nice if you want to stream video while in the shack; I'm 
considering one also (but HDTV is much cheaper).? But one feature I 
would need is decent PIP (picture in picture) to watch two things at 
once (computer/radio and video source).

Two major things to consider are look angle and proximity.? If you have 
to look up more than a few degrees, your neck will whine, straight ahead 
is ideal.? If it's too large and close, it will be more difficult to 
take it all in or you move your head...? consider your ergonomics 
carefully, body parts resist movement, more each and every year.? It 
WILL matter, in time (or now).

73,
Rick NK7i


On 11/7/2019 2:38 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:
> For ham use in the shack it would be pointless (unless you have money burning holes in your pocket).  If you do photography/video editing or graphics as a pro ? that?s another thing entirely, and where the market for this display lives :-)
>
> Grant NQ5T
>
>
>
>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 5:09 PM, Bert <ve3nr at bell.net> wrote:
>>
>> There are always people happy to part with their money! ;-))
>>
>> Bert  VE3NR
>>
>>
>> On 11/7/2019 4:59 PM, Paul Gacek via Elecraft wrote:
>>> Only Apple could come up with a desktop display that cost more than the K4.
>>>
>>> https://www.apple.com/pro-display-xdr/ <https://www.apple.com/pro-display-xdr/>
>>>
>>> Paul
>>> W6PNG
>>>
>>>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 12:47 PM, Tox <scott.small at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to continue to eagerly await a K4 for A While. In the
>>>> meantime, I've been reconfiguring a room to become my shack, and am
>>>> slowly terraforming it.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to pick up a couple of HDMI displays to hang on the wall
>>>> above/behind the rig and the computer I interface to it. Viewing angle
>>>> will be shaded, pretty much on-axis due to location, and it will be
>>>> right next to the entry of my feedline. Expected usage would be
>>>> waterfall/UI and pskreporter type apps.
>>>>
>>>> What can people suggest for quasi-affordable *RF-quiet* 4k displays in
>>>> the 27-40" range? (I'm not averse to buying something like one of the
>>>> midtier Samsungs, but do not have enough left in the wallet to
>>>> consider things like OLED).
>>>>
>>>> Bonus points for quiet 4k HDMI switchers so I can bring Pis to the party.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>> AD6YT
>>>> -- 
>>>> Scott Small
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From KY5G at montac.com  Thu Nov  7 18:56:53 2019
From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 17:56:53 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] 4k monitors for the shack, late 2019
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Dude!? That's awesome....? One of those would fit between the uprights 
on my shack desk/hutch with 0.2" to spare...? Most efficient use of 
space possible in my setup... dual inputs....KVM...

IF ONLY it had an external power supply... :-(

______________________
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On 07-Nov-19 16:48, Jim Miller wrote:
> Or this one which is really nice. Dell U4919
>
> https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-ultrasharp-49-curved-monitor-u4919dw/apd/210-arnw/monitors-monitor-accessories
>
> My early xmas/birthday gift to myself!!
>
> jim ab3cv
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 5:40 PM Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> For ham use in the shack it would be pointless (unless you have money
>> burning holes in your pocket).  If you do photography/video editing or
>> graphics as a pro ? that?s another thing entirely, and where the market for
>> this display lives :-)
>>
>> Grant NQ5T
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 5:09 PM, Bert <ve3nr at bell.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> There are always people happy to part with their money! ;-))
>>>
>>> Bert  VE3NR
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/7/2019 4:59 PM, Paul Gacek via Elecraft wrote:
>>>> Only Apple could come up with a desktop display that cost more than the
>> K4.
>>>> https://www.apple.com/pro-display-xdr/ <
>> https://www.apple.com/pro-display-xdr/>
>>>> Paul
>>>> W6PNG
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 12:47 PM, Tox <scott.small at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm going to continue to eagerly await a K4 for A While. In the
>>>>> meantime, I've been reconfiguring a room to become my shack, and am
>>>>> slowly terraforming it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to pick up a couple of HDMI displays to hang on the wall
>>>>> above/behind the rig and the computer I interface to it. Viewing angle
>>>>> will be shaded, pretty much on-axis due to location, and it will be
>>>>> right next to the entry of my feedline. Expected usage would be
>>>>> waterfall/UI and pskreporter type apps.
>>>>>
>>>>> What can people suggest for quasi-affordable *RF-quiet* 4k displays in
>>>>> the 27-40" range? (I'm not averse to buying something like one of the
>>>>> midtier Samsungs, but do not have enough left in the wallet to
>>>>> consider things like OLED).
>>>>>
>>>>> Bonus points for quiet 4k HDMI switchers so I can bring Pis to the
>> party.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott
>>>>> AD6YT
>>>>> --
>>>>> Scott Small
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From lboekeloo at gmail.com  Thu Nov  7 19:01:31 2019
From: lboekeloo at gmail.com (Larry Boekeloo)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 19:01:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KAT3
Message-ID: <CADyamMe7-WAW1gCiH_hOWq8nrpkz-_q6-RR6ngE=4XeNvb8B_w@mail.gmail.com>

My K3 seemed to develop a problem on 20 meters this evening.  Trying to
work Marquesas this evening on 20 cw the K3 would not transmit and
basically no receive.  I checked every other band and all worked as usual.

The moment the radio went into transmit, I received Hi SWR on the screen
with or without the antenna tuner

I then reloaded all of the software and still nothing.  I tried to force
the tuner into auto tune by selecting my 160 meter dipole for 20 meters and
still nothing.  I finally went into the Config menu and disabled the KAT3.

All now works.  I never use the KAT3 anymore since I have the KAT500 and
KPA500.  Has anyone else had the KAT3 fail on 20 or do I need to open the
rig up and reseat all of the contacts?

Thoughts?

Larry, KN8N

From jim at jtmiller.com  Thu Nov  7 19:03:30 2019
From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 19:03:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 4k monitors for the shack, late 2019
In-Reply-To: <9d3d00db-f81c-90e2-52f3-a988a8b5560e@montac.com>
References: <CADkB6UpxaQhHDu1NqqAif9mYL3Mwr6BWRVT5gnfJeCbacV-o8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CCA8A372-C058-4CBC-AA4C-424EBD30794C@yahoo.com>
	<384d66bd-5d75-f0c7-399e-25e674004e0a@bell.net>
	<6C4DCC0E-6A87-4F20-BEE4-2B370A948E26@gmail.com>
	<CACYeN9ywU9EJ9EahBaoRn_r+nAVqCaZRA5e7acReNS+LADYZ0w@mail.gmail.com>
	<9d3d00db-f81c-90e2-52f3-a988a8b5560e@montac.com>
Message-ID: <CACYeN9zTh5hsLXFQix+3spW0qONhnLSo+gBthsYoBwU9yJx=DA@mail.gmail.com>

My antennas are 100ft from the shack. I don't pick up any noise from it.

Jim ab3cv

On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 6:58 PM Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com> wrote:

> Dude!  That's awesome....  One of those would fit between the uprights
> on my shack desk/hutch with 0.2" to spare...  Most efficient use of
> space possible in my setup... dual inputs....KVM...
>
> IF ONLY it had an external power supply... :-(
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> (318) 518-1389
>
> On 07-Nov-19 16:48, Jim Miller wrote:
> > Or this one which is really nice. Dell U4919
> >
> >
> https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-ultrasharp-49-curved-monitor-u4919dw/apd/210-arnw/monitors-monitor-accessories
> >
> > My early xmas/birthday gift to myself!!
> >
> > jim ab3cv
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 5:40 PM Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> For ham use in the shack it would be pointless (unless you have money
> >> burning holes in your pocket).  If you do photography/video editing or
> >> graphics as a pro ? that?s another thing entirely, and where the market
> for
> >> this display lives :-)
> >>
> >> Grant NQ5T
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 5:09 PM, Bert <ve3nr at bell.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> There are always people happy to part with their money! ;-))
> >>>
> >>> Bert  VE3NR
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 11/7/2019 4:59 PM, Paul Gacek via Elecraft wrote:
> >>>> Only Apple could come up with a desktop display that cost more than
> the
> >> K4.
> >>>> https://www.apple.com/pro-display-xdr/ <
> >> https://www.apple.com/pro-display-xdr/>
> >>>> Paul
> >>>> W6PNG
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 12:47 PM, Tox <scott.small at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm going to continue to eagerly await a K4 for A While. In the
> >>>>> meantime, I've been reconfiguring a room to become my shack, and am
> >>>>> slowly terraforming it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'd like to pick up a couple of HDMI displays to hang on the wall
> >>>>> above/behind the rig and the computer I interface to it. Viewing
> angle
> >>>>> will be shaded, pretty much on-axis due to location, and it will be
> >>>>> right next to the entry of my feedline. Expected usage would be
> >>>>> waterfall/UI and pskreporter type apps.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What can people suggest for quasi-affordable *RF-quiet* 4k displays
> in
> >>>>> the 27-40" range? (I'm not averse to buying something like one of the
> >>>>> midtier Samsungs, but do not have enough left in the wallet to
> >>>>> consider things like OLED).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bonus points for quiet 4k HDMI switchers so I can bring Pis to the
> >> party.
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Scott
> >>>>> AD6YT
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Scott Small
> >>>>> ______________________________________________________________
> >>>>> Elecraft mailing list
> >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From stevesgt at effable.com  Thu Nov  7 19:17:36 2019
From: stevesgt at effable.com (Steve Sergeant)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 16:17:36 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Triggering a T-1 re-tune over coax?
Message-ID: <6efad9d1-6977-3dda-2155-56adaeeaf8b3@effable.com>

We're considering using a couple of T-1 tuners for a field event as
remote tuners on non-resonant antennas.

I can imagine some solutions, but at the moment I'm asking about prior art.

Has anyone built a hardware hack that lets one trigger a T-1 to re-tune
by sending D.C. over the coax? If so, can you point me to any articles,
designs, videos (if you must), or cell-phone-camera photos of the
napkin-based document?

We're going to be running 50 meters or so of coax to each antenna, so
running an additional control line seems like too much trouble.

Any disparaging of remote-tuner, non-resonant antennas, or advice on any
tuner other than the T-1 will be ignored as off-topic.

From w1pef at myfairpoint.net  Thu Nov  7 19:28:07 2019
From: w1pef at myfairpoint.net (W1PEF)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 19:28:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 Problems
Message-ID: <DC51A9D0-F3CF-4CE1-8026-9D8A080551BE@myfairpoint.net>

I am able to use FT8 on 40m and 20m. If I try 80m and 160m on FT8 I can?t seem to transmit but I see band receive activity. I have to be missing something simple or I?m just getting too old LOL. Anyone have amy suggestion? Thanks for any advice.
Paul - W1PEF 




From markmusick at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov  7 19:33:17 2019
From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (markmusick at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 00:33:17 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KAT3
In-Reply-To: <CADyamMe7-WAW1gCiH_hOWq8nrpkz-_q6-RR6ngE=4XeNvb8B_w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADyamMe7-WAW1gCiH_hOWq8nrpkz-_q6-RR6ngE=4XeNvb8B_w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005901d595cc$1e308160$5a918420$@sbcglobal.net>

Larry,
Are you sure you didn't have ANT2 selected when you really should have been
on ANT1? Or the other way around.
When you disabled the KAT3 I think it defaults to ANT1.
I've had this happen before. All bands work but one. The one that doesn't
work has the wrong antenna output selected.
Now how did it get switched from ANT1 to ANT2? Who knows for sure, but I was
probably intending to operate RX ANT button or some other function and hit
the ANT button by mistake.

Mark, WB9CIF

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Larry Boekeloo
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 00:02
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KAT3

My K3 seemed to develop a problem on 20 meters this evening.  Trying to work
Marquesas this evening on 20 cw the K3 would not transmit and basically no
receive.  I checked every other band and all worked as usual.

The moment the radio went into transmit, I received Hi SWR on the screen
with or without the antenna tuner

I then reloaded all of the software and still nothing.  I tried to force the
tuner into auto tune by selecting my 160 meter dipole for 20 meters and
still nothing.  I finally went into the Config menu and disabled the KAT3.

All now works.  I never use the KAT3 anymore since I have the KAT500 and
KPA500.  Has anyone else had the KAT3 fail on 20 or do I need to open the
rig up and reseat all of the contacts?

Thoughts?

Larry, KN8N
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From KY5G at montac.com  Thu Nov  7 19:34:08 2019
From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 18:34:08 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] 4k monitors for the shack, late 2019
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9zTh5hsLXFQix+3spW0qONhnLSo+gBthsYoBwU9yJx=DA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADkB6UpxaQhHDu1NqqAif9mYL3Mwr6BWRVT5gnfJeCbacV-o8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CCA8A372-C058-4CBC-AA4C-424EBD30794C@yahoo.com>
	<384d66bd-5d75-f0c7-399e-25e674004e0a@bell.net>
	<6C4DCC0E-6A87-4F20-BEE4-2B370A948E26@gmail.com>
	<CACYeN9ywU9EJ9EahBaoRn_r+nAVqCaZRA5e7acReNS+LADYZ0w@mail.gmail.com>
	<9d3d00db-f81c-90e2-52f3-a988a8b5560e@montac.com>
	<CACYeN9zTh5hsLXFQix+3spW0qONhnLSo+gBthsYoBwU9yJx=DA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <95fa46d1-e6ba-0c74-dfc0-586d904662b3@montac.com>

NEVER buying another monitor with an internal power supply if at all 
humanly possible...
There's more to it than where your antennas are... :-)

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
(318) 518-1389

On 07-Nov-19 18:03, Jim Miller wrote:
> My antennas are 100ft from the shack. I don't pick up any noise from it.
>
> Jim ab3cv
>
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 6:58 PM Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com 
> <mailto:KY5G at montac.com>> wrote:
>
>     Dude! That's awesome....? One of those would fit between the uprights
>     on my shack desk/hutch with 0.2" to spare...? Most efficient use of
>     space possible in my setup... dual inputs....KVM...
>
>     IF ONLY it had an external power supply... :-(
>
>     ______________________
>     Clay Autery, KY5G
>     (318) 518-1389
>
>     On 07-Nov-19 16:48, Jim Miller wrote:
>     > Or this one which is really nice. Dell U4919
>     >
>     >
>     https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-ultrasharp-49-curved-monitor-u4919dw/apd/210-arnw/monitors-monitor-accessories
>     >
>     > My early xmas/birthday gift to myself!!
>     >
>     > jim ab3cv
>     >
>     >
>     > On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 5:40 PM Grant Youngman
>     <ghyoungman at gmail.com <mailto:ghyoungman at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     >
>     >> For ham use in the shack it would be pointless (unless you have
>     money
>     >> burning holes in your pocket).? If you do photography/video
>     editing or
>     >> graphics as a pro ? that?s another thing entirely, and where
>     the market for
>     >> this display lives :-)
>     >>
>     >> Grant NQ5T
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 5:09 PM, Bert <ve3nr at bell.net
>     <mailto:ve3nr at bell.net>> wrote:
>     >>>
>     >>> There are always people happy to part with their money! ;-))
>     >>>
>     >>> Bert? VE3NR
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>> On 11/7/2019 4:59 PM, Paul Gacek via Elecraft wrote:
>     >>>> Only Apple could come up with a desktop display that cost
>     more than the
>     >> K4.
>     >>>> https://www.apple.com/pro-display-xdr/ <
>     >> https://www.apple.com/pro-display-xdr/>
>     >>>> Paul
>     >>>> W6PNG
>     >>>>
>     >>>>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 12:47 PM, Tox <scott.small at gmail.com
>     <mailto:scott.small at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Hello all,
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> I'm going to continue to eagerly await a K4 for A While. In the
>     >>>>> meantime, I've been reconfiguring a room to become my shack,
>     and am
>     >>>>> slowly terraforming it.
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> I'd like to pick up a couple of HDMI displays to hang on the
>     wall
>     >>>>> above/behind the rig and the computer I interface to it.
>     Viewing angle
>     >>>>> will be shaded, pretty much on-axis due to location, and it
>     will be
>     >>>>> right next to the entry of my feedline. Expected usage would be
>     >>>>> waterfall/UI and pskreporter type apps.
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> What can people suggest for quasi-affordable *RF-quiet* 4k
>     displays in
>     >>>>> the 27-40" range? (I'm not averse to buying something like
>     one of the
>     >>>>> midtier Samsungs, but do not have enough left in the wallet to
>     >>>>> consider things like OLED).
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Bonus points for quiet 4k HDMI switchers so I can bring Pis
>     to the
>     >> party.
>     >>>>> Thanks,
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Scott
>     >>>>> AD6YT
>     >>>>> --
>     >>>>> Scott Small
>     >>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From scott.small at gmail.com  Thu Nov  7 19:39:55 2019
From: scott.small at gmail.com (Tox)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 16:39:55 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 Problems
In-Reply-To: <DC51A9D0-F3CF-4CE1-8026-9D8A080551BE@myfairpoint.net>
References: <DC51A9D0-F3CF-4CE1-8026-9D8A080551BE@myfairpoint.net>
Message-ID: <CADkB6UrsvmYOieG13iC8-4YE9MiJjC20qmdGoQ2Hg=-wQVpy2Q@mail.gmail.com>

How is your swr at the longer wavelengths? I figured out my lousy
signal reports on 80 were because I was radiating inside the house off
the feedline, as the antenna wasn't resonant.

Good luck in any case,

Scott
AD6YT

On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 4:28 PM W1PEF <w1pef at myfairpoint.net> wrote:
>
> I am able to use FT8 on 40m and 20m. If I try 80m and 160m on FT8 I can?t seem to transmit but I see band receive activity. I have to be missing something simple or I?m just getting too old LOL. Anyone have amy suggestion? Thanks for any advice.
> Paul - W1PEF
>
>
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From w0cd at outlook.com  Thu Nov  7 19:41:36 2019
From: w0cd at outlook.com (James Atkinson)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 00:41:36 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] 4k monitors for the shack, late 2019
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	<9d3d00db-f81c-90e2-52f3-a988a8b5560e@montac.com>
	<CACYeN9zTh5hsLXFQix+3spW0qONhnLSo+gBthsYoBwU9yJx=DA@mail.gmail.com>,
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I have a newer Dell 1440p monitor that shuts off every time I transmit. It has an external PS. However, my antenna is in the attic and radio on the second floor ungrounded (rental home). Ferrite hasn?t helped so far.


https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/computer-monitor-turns-off-on-transmit.674842/

James
W0CD

James
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Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 7:34:08 PM
To: Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com>
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 4k monitors for the shack, late 2019

NEVER buying another monitor with an internal power supply if at all
humanly possible...
There's more to it than where your antennas are... :-)

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
(318) 518-1389

On 07-Nov-19 18:03, Jim Miller wrote:
> My antennas are 100ft from the shack. I don't pick up any noise from it.
>
> Jim ab3cv
>
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 6:58 PM Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com
> <mailto:KY5G at montac.com>> wrote:
>
>     Dude! That's awesome....  One of those would fit between the uprights
>     on my shack desk/hutch with 0.2" to spare...  Most efficient use of
>     space possible in my setup... dual inputs....KVM...
>
>     IF ONLY it had an external power supply... :-(
>
>     ______________________
>     Clay Autery, KY5G
>     (318) 518-1389
>
>     On 07-Nov-19 16:48, Jim Miller wrote:
>     > Or this one which is really nice. Dell U4919
>     >
>     >
>     https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-ultrasharp-49-curved-monitor-u4919dw/apd/210-arnw/monitors-monitor-accessories
>     >
>     > My early xmas/birthday gift to myself!!
>     >
>     > jim ab3cv
>     >
>     >
>     > On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 5:40 PM Grant Youngman
>     <ghyoungman at gmail.com <mailto:ghyoungman at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     >
>     >> For ham use in the shack it would be pointless (unless you have
>     money
>     >> burning holes in your pocket).  If you do photography/video
>     editing or
>     >> graphics as a pro ? that?s another thing entirely, and where
>     the market for
>     >> this display lives :-)
>     >>
>     >> Grant NQ5T
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 5:09 PM, Bert <ve3nr at bell.net
>     <mailto:ve3nr at bell.net>> wrote:
>     >>>
>     >>> There are always people happy to part with their money! ;-))
>     >>>
>     >>> Bert  VE3NR
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>> On 11/7/2019 4:59 PM, Paul Gacek via Elecraft wrote:
>     >>>> Only Apple could come up with a desktop display that cost
>     more than the
>     >> K4.
>     >>>> https://www.apple.com/pro-display-xdr/ <
>     >> https://www.apple.com/pro-display-xdr/>
>     >>>> Paul
>     >>>> W6PNG
>     >>>>
>     >>>>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 12:47 PM, Tox <scott.small at gmail.com
>     <mailto:scott.small at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Hello all,
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> I'm going to continue to eagerly await a K4 for A While. In the
>     >>>>> meantime, I've been reconfiguring a room to become my shack,
>     and am
>     >>>>> slowly terraforming it.
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> I'd like to pick up a couple of HDMI displays to hang on the
>     wall
>     >>>>> above/behind the rig and the computer I interface to it.
>     Viewing angle
>     >>>>> will be shaded, pretty much on-axis due to location, and it
>     will be
>     >>>>> right next to the entry of my feedline. Expected usage would be
>     >>>>> waterfall/UI and pskreporter type apps.
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> What can people suggest for quasi-affordable *RF-quiet* 4k
>     displays in
>     >>>>> the 27-40" range? (I'm not averse to buying something like
>     one of the
>     >>>>> midtier Samsungs, but do not have enough left in the wallet to
>     >>>>> consider things like OLED).
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Bonus points for quiet 4k HDMI switchers so I can bring Pis
>     to the
>     >> party.
>     >>>>> Thanks,
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Scott
>     >>>>> AD6YT
>     >>>>> --
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From ka5s at earthlink.net  Thu Nov  7 20:27:02 2019
From: ka5s at earthlink.net (Cortland Richmond)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 20:27:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 187, Issue 8
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7058.1572998199.13236.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.7058.1572998199.13236.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <eff49c29-d905-d056-9282-522fd9f593d7@earthlink.net>

The only reason for making "ground" negative was to prevent ionic 
transfer of the copper.

Cortland, KA5S
Five years in R&D at DSC/Alcatel USA in Petaluma


On 11/5/2019 18:56 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> On Nov 5, 2019, at 12:19 PM, Phil Kane<k2asp at kanafi.org>  wrote:
>
> ?On 11/4/2019 1:24 PM, Rick Bates (WA6NHC) wrote:
>
>> Perhaps since that is the standard voltage for cars, trucks, RVs and other vehicles.
> Commercial communication base-station equipment has been standardized at
> -48 volts(*) for quite a while and actually needs to use a voltage
> converter for the odd-ball +12 V or 120V AC equipment that has to be run.
>
> (*) -48 volts has been the telephone industry standard since Ma Bell was
> a  teen-ager!

From W2xj at w2xj.net  Thu Nov  7 21:17:02 2019
From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 21:17:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 4k monitors for the shack, late 2019
In-Reply-To: <243486f2-d14f-631c-6770-0f365649a066@gmail.com>
References: <243486f2-d14f-631c-6770-0f365649a066@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B85CE446-654D-414F-9DD2-57061E4BA5AC@w2xj.net>

samsung has a good 32 inch 4K monitor with PIP but I don?t know about the RFI aspect. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 7, 2019, at 6:49 PM, Rick Bates, NK7I <Rick.NK7I at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?It would be nice if you want to stream video while in the shack; I'm considering one also (but HDTV is much cheaper).  But one feature I would need is decent PIP (picture in picture) to watch two things at once (computer/radio and video source).
> 
> Two major things to consider are look angle and proximity.  If you have to look up more than a few degrees, your neck will whine, straight ahead is ideal.  If it's too large and close, it will be more difficult to take it all in or you move your head...  consider your ergonomics carefully, body parts resist movement, more each and every year.  It WILL matter, in time (or now).
> 
> 73,
> Rick NK7i
> 
> 
>> On 11/7/2019 2:38 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:
>> For ham use in the shack it would be pointless (unless you have money burning holes in your pocket).  If you do photography/video editing or graphics as a pro ? that?s another thing entirely, and where the market for this display lives :-)
>> 
>> Grant NQ5T
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 5:09 PM, Bert <ve3nr at bell.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There are always people happy to part with their money! ;-))
>>> 
>>> Bert  VE3NR
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11/7/2019 4:59 PM, Paul Gacek via Elecraft wrote:
>>>> Only Apple could come up with a desktop display that cost more than the K4.
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.apple.com/pro-display-xdr/ <https://www.apple.com/pro-display-xdr/>
>>>> 
>>>> Paul
>>>> W6PNG
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 12:47 PM, Tox <scott.small at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm going to continue to eagerly await a K4 for A While. In the
>>>>> meantime, I've been reconfiguring a room to become my shack, and am
>>>>> slowly terraforming it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'd like to pick up a couple of HDMI displays to hang on the wall
>>>>> above/behind the rig and the computer I interface to it. Viewing angle
>>>>> will be shaded, pretty much on-axis due to location, and it will be
>>>>> right next to the entry of my feedline. Expected usage would be
>>>>> waterfall/UI and pskreporter type apps.
>>>>> 
>>>>> What can people suggest for quasi-affordable *RF-quiet* 4k displays in
>>>>> the 27-40" range? (I'm not averse to buying something like one of the
>>>>> midtier Samsungs, but do not have enough left in the wallet to
>>>>> consider things like OLED).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bonus points for quiet 4k HDMI switche


From bbaines at mac.com  Thu Nov  7 21:51:57 2019
From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 20:51:57 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Lantronix UDS2100
In-Reply-To: <CAC2q1P+p0nGkoHdx3ENgyq3vREyEKm3+yQOpFGNOwDxqTs4XOg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC2q1P+p0nGkoHdx3ENgyq3vREyEKm3+yQOpFGNOwDxqTs4XOg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00FA3B99-F93F-476B-829B-F340B88EF1D9@mac.com>

Hans:

> On Nov 7, 2019, at 10:00 AM, Hans Johansson <sm6bga at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a KPA500 and a KAT500 at my remote QTH and I want to
> remote control them over Internet. For this I am planning to use
> a Lantronix UDS2100 ethernet-serial server at the remote radio site.
> Is there anyone on this list who has experience of controlling the PA
> and Tuner via Internet with KPA500 remote and KAT500 remote
> programs in the computer at the control site.\

I?m using a Lantronix EDS4100 to provide the Ethernet-to-Serial conversion.  I specifically use this for the KAT500 where I convert the serial to ethernet and then use the Lantronix software to convert back to serial on my laptop at the location where I am.  Through port forwarding I can specify the Lantronix device remotely for configuration/monitoring using a web browser.  The ham station is in Southeast Georgia (near the Florida border) and I connect to my station when I?m in Texas or Massachusetts.  

I also used the same Lantronics device for a second serial port to connect with my rotor controller.  However, I?m now using the Remote Rig R1216H which can control a Green Heron Rotor Controller. I also use a second R1216H to access and control the KPA500 rather than use the Lantronix device to connect through a serial connection.  The key advantage of this approach is that I can manage both the KPA500 and Green Heron RT-21 via a web browser using any device that has a browser (MacOS, iPhone, iPad, etc.).  The Lantronics works well, but can only be used with a Windows PC as their software for converting ethernet-to-serial is Windows only. I do run Windows on a Mac via Parallels software and run the Elecraft KAT500 utility, and the Lantronics port software works well in that environment.  


> The control way will thus be:
> Control computer - router - internet - router - Lantronix server - KPA500
> and KAT500
> 

I have no experience with the UDS2100, but it appears to be a more advanced device than the EDS4100, so I would expect that it will meet your needs.  

Hope this helps,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW
Keller, TX


> Hans   SM6BGA
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From w1pef at myfairpoint.net  Thu Nov  7 21:53:45 2019
From: w1pef at myfairpoint.net (W1PEF)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 21:53:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 Problems
In-Reply-To: <DC51A9D0-F3CF-4CE1-8026-9D8A080551BE@myfairpoint.net>
References: <DC51A9D0-F3CF-4CE1-8026-9D8A080551BE@myfairpoint.net>
Message-ID: <E1D75ED3-F7FD-48B3-8EBB-74EFB8109244@myfairpoint.net>

Thanks all... you got me on the correct road. Just made 80m FT8 contact. Just had to use DATA MD button to make the adjustment. Thank again to all.
Paul - W1PEF 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 7, 2019, at 7:28 PM, W1PEF <w1pef at myfairpoint.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I am able to use FT8 on 40m and 20m. If I try 80m and 160m on FT8 I can?t seem to transmit but I see band receive activity. I have to be missing something simple or I?m just getting too old LOL. Anyone have amy suggestion? Thanks for any advice.
> Paul - W1PEF 
> 
> 


From bbaines at mac.com  Thu Nov  7 22:06:40 2019
From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 21:06:40 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] will utility programs run on Apple Ipad os ?
In-Reply-To: <CAFmQ1mve8HZK6Q=6H-MBst=7rTTxs1YL08vKvpi8T127t0aDxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFmQ1mve8HZK6Q=6H-MBst=7rTTxs1YL08vKvpi8T127t0aDxg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5870E25C-D27A-46FC-857C-68C0BEAEC1F6@mac.com>

Howard:

I?m not aware of a iOS program that manages Elecraft equipment directly.  If you do a search on the App Store app found on the iPad, you can look at a program developed by KS7D that apparently interfaces with a PC that in turn accesses the Elecraft gear.  However, it hasn?t been updated in over a year and it isn?t clear to me how compatible it is with iOS13.x.

In the case of the KPA500, an alternative might be to use the Remote Rig RR-1216H to attach to the serial port of the KPA500 and then access the RR-1216H through a web interface.  I use the RR-1216H to manage the KPA500 and a second one to manage my Green Heron controller while operating remotely.  The RR-1216H has a configuration specifically for the KPA500; as far as I know there isn?t a configuration for the KPA-1500. The RR-1216H can be accessed with any web browser platform such as the iPhone, iPad, Android, etc.

At this point the only ?true? iPad app for controlling a transceiver and amplifier remotely is SmartSDR for IOS for the Flex-6000 series and their PGXL amplifier.  I would expect that after the K4 is released, ?someone? may develop a similar capability for the new Elecraft transceiver and associated equipment.


Hope this helps,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW
Keller, TX

> On Nov 7, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Howard Sherer <hms4 at lehigh.edu> wrote:
> 
> Will any of the K3, KPA and KAT utility programs and remote programs run on
> the new Apple Ipad os ?
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Fri Nov  8 04:17:33 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 04:17:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] will utility programs run on Apple Ipad os ?
In-Reply-To: <5870E25C-D27A-46FC-857C-68C0BEAEC1F6@mac.com>
References: <5870E25C-D27A-46FC-857C-68C0BEAEC1F6@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F3C08EB8-31A0-43C9-A469-D57448D52211@widomaker.com>

How do you plan to connect the iPad to the radio?  The K3 typically connects thru a RS232 or USB port.  Neither are available on an iPad. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Nov 7, 2019, at 10:08 PM, Barry Baines via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Howard:
> 
> I?m not aware of a iOS program that manages Elecraft equipment directly.  If you do a search on the App Store app found on the iPad, you can look at a program developed by KS7D that apparently interfaces with a PC that in turn accesses the Elecraft gear.  However, it hasn?t been updated in over a year and it isn?t clear to me how compatible it is with iOS13.x.
> 
> In the case of the KPA500, an alternative might be to use the Remote Rig RR-1216H to attach to the serial port of the KPA500 and then access the RR-1216H through a web interface.  I use the RR-1216H to manage the KPA500 and a second one to manage my Green Heron controller while operating remotely.  The RR-1216H has a configuration specifically for the KPA500; as far as I know there isn?t a configuration for the KPA-1500. The RR-1216H can be accessed with any web browser platform such as the iPhone, iPad, Android, etc.
> 
> At this point the only ?true? iPad app for controlling a transceiver and amplifier remotely is SmartSDR for IOS for the Flex-6000 series and their PGXL amplifier.  I would expect that after the K4 is released, ?someone? may develop a similar capability for the new Elecraft transceiver and associated equipment.
> 
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
> Keller, TX
> 
>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Howard Sherer <hms4 at lehigh.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Will any of the K3, KPA and KAT utility programs and remote programs run on
>> the new Apple Ipad os ?
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From scott.small at gmail.com  Fri Nov  8 05:08:27 2019
From: scott.small at gmail.com (Tox)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 02:08:27 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] will utility programs run on Apple Ipad os ?
In-Reply-To: <5870E25C-D27A-46FC-857C-68C0BEAEC1F6@mac.com>
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Message-ID: <CADkB6UpySfWG9iq889WPGHQqA8SG8Ye_BScsXRifbnWy_vd92A@mail.gmail.com>

For K4, Eric was hoping an iOS dev would come forth to do a client for
them, as he doesn't have time to do it. The "iPad" in the k4 remote
demos is sadly actually a Surface.

Scott
AD6YT

On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 7:06 PM Barry Baines via Elecraft
<elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
> Howard:
>
> I?m not aware of a iOS program that manages Elecraft equipment directly.  If you do a search on the App Store app found on the iPad, you can look at a program developed by KS7D that apparently interfaces with a PC that in turn accesses the Elecraft gear.  However, it hasn?t been updated in over a year and it isn?t clear to me how compatible it is with iOS13.x.
>
> In the case of the KPA500, an alternative might be to use the Remote Rig RR-1216H to attach to the serial port of the KPA500 and then access the RR-1216H through a web interface.  I use the RR-1216H to manage the KPA500 and a second one to manage my Green Heron controller while operating remotely.  The RR-1216H has a configuration specifically for the KPA500; as far as I know there isn?t a configuration for the KPA-1500. The RR-1216H can be accessed with any web browser platform such as the iPhone, iPad, Android, etc.
>
> At this point the only ?true? iPad app for controlling a transceiver and amplifier remotely is SmartSDR for IOS for the Flex-6000 series and their PGXL amplifier.  I would expect that after the K4 is released, ?someone? may develop a similar capability for the new Elecraft transceiver and associated equipment.
>
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
> Keller, TX
>
> > On Nov 7, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Howard Sherer <hms4 at lehigh.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Will any of the K3, KPA and KAT utility programs and remote programs run on
> > the new Apple Ipad os ?
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From djwilcox01 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  8 05:31:29 2019
From: djwilcox01 at yahoo.com (David Wilcox)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 05:31:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 #2257 woke up deaf this morning ...
In-Reply-To: <01a97107-813e-d307-5f87-9682bfdf3d1c@gmail.com>
References: <01a97107-813e-d307-5f87-9682bfdf3d1c@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8216D72E-C89A-4CBE-8A9A-51B7D585F693@yahoo.com>

When unplugging and plugging in coax connectors to improve the connection a spray of DeOxit on each end would be a good idea.  Works on all kinds of switches and connectors.  I wouldn?t hook up my four trailers to my car without it and those connectors are heavily abused.  Less so for my coax connectors but a good idea anyway.

David J. Wilcox K8WPE?s iPad

> On Nov 7, 2019, at 12:30 PM, Rick Bates, NK7I <rick.nk7i at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Also check your filter, NB and NR settings, sometimes they go wonky.
> 
> Rick NK7I
> 
>> On 11/7/2019 8:26 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> Check all connectors.  I've found that connectors that just "sit" and are never moved will oxidize and prevent signal flow.   They rely on a mechanical connection only.   Just unplug and re-plug 2 or three times for each one.
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> Bob, K4TAX
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11/7/2019 10:12 AM, Mike Flowers wrote:
>>> Hi Folks,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I powered up my trust K3 #2257 this morning and found it deaf. The RF and
>>> IF stages appear to be working just fine.  I have 20M FT8 showing lots of
>>> signals on my P3, but no audio.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> WSJT-X shows no audio from LINE OUT either.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'm on the right antenna and haven't fiddled with parameters for months, so
>>> I am wondering if there is anything I might try/check before taking it over
>>> to Watsonville for repairs.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - 73 and good DX de Mike,  <http://www.qrz.com/db/k6mkf/> K6MKF, NCDXC
>>> <https://www.ncdxc.org/>  Secretary
>>> 
>>> 
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From djwilcox01 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  8 05:31:29 2019
From: djwilcox01 at yahoo.com (David Wilcox)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 05:31:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 #2257 woke up deaf this morning ...
In-Reply-To: <01a97107-813e-d307-5f87-9682bfdf3d1c@gmail.com>
References: <01a97107-813e-d307-5f87-9682bfdf3d1c@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8216D72E-C89A-4CBE-8A9A-51B7D585F693@yahoo.com>

When unplugging and plugging in coax connectors to improve the connection a spray of DeOxit on each end would be a good idea.  Works on all kinds of switches and connectors.  I wouldn?t hook up my four trailers to my car without it and those connectors are heavily abused.  Less so for my coax connectors but a good idea anyway.

David J. Wilcox K8WPE?s iPad

> On Nov 7, 2019, at 12:30 PM, Rick Bates, NK7I <rick.nk7i at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Also check your filter, NB and NR settings, sometimes they go wonky.
> 
> Rick NK7I
> 
>> On 11/7/2019 8:26 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> Check all connectors.  I've found that connectors that just "sit" and are never moved will oxidize and prevent signal flow.   They rely on a mechanical connection only.   Just unplug and re-plug 2 or three times for each one.
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> Bob, K4TAX
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11/7/2019 10:12 AM, Mike Flowers wrote:
>>> Hi Folks,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I powered up my trust K3 #2257 this morning and found it deaf. The RF and
>>> IF stages appear to be working just fine.  I have 20M FT8 showing lots of
>>> signals on my P3, but no audio.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> WSJT-X shows no audio from LINE OUT either.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'm on the right antenna and haven't fiddled with parameters for months, so
>>> I am wondering if there is anything I might try/check before taking it over
>>> to Watsonville for repairs.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - 73 and good DX de Mike,  <http://www.qrz.com/db/k6mkf/> K6MKF, NCDXC
>>> <https://www.ncdxc.org/>  Secretary
>>> 
>>> 
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From pkiciak at gmail.com  Fri Nov  8 05:37:37 2019
From: pkiciak at gmail.com (Paul Kiciak)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 10:37:37 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] 4k monitors for the shack, late 2019
Message-ID: <7ed2f988-5bd6-00e6-7984-51e07b69e4dd@gmail.com>

I've enjoyed this LG 43UD79-B 43" 4k monitor, in use for two years now at 3840x2160:

<https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0711MP768>

It has four HDMI inputs, a displayport, and a USB-C and a remote control which is very handy.

Been using it with OpenHPSDR and will add the K4 when I get it.

73,
Paul N2PK


From lboekeloo at gmail.com  Fri Nov  8 09:28:20 2019
From: lboekeloo at gmail.com (Larry Boekeloo)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 09:28:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KAT3 Fixed
Message-ID: <CADyamMetNZ=LEZ8FWKeqK7MSnQS2ThxpqUB=328A5FByfzCDnA@mail.gmail.com>

Last evening, after some advice from WB9CIF, I did a little more testing
and found that the KAT3 would do nothing regardless of Antenna port or what
actual antenna was selected.

I went into Config and told the K3 there was no tuner.  Cycled the rig and
then told the K3 that the tuner was installed and set to Auto.

Now everything works as it should.  Glad that's resolved and it wasn't the
antenna on the tower in a Michigan upcoming winter.

Larry, KN8N

From bbaines at mac.com  Fri Nov  8 10:40:21 2019
From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 09:40:21 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] will utility programs run on Apple Ipad os ?
In-Reply-To: <F3C08EB8-31A0-43C9-A469-D57448D52211@widomaker.com>
References: <5870E25C-D27A-46FC-857C-68C0BEAEC1F6@mac.com>
	<F3C08EB8-31A0-43C9-A469-D57448D52211@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <8520E5F8-93AC-4BE7-AE6E-65A8637E6977@mac.com>

Bill:



> On Nov 8, 2019, at 3:17 AM, Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
> 
> How do you plan to connect the iPad to the radio?  The K3 typically connects thru a RS232 or USB port.  Neither are available on an iPad. 


Is your question direct at me?  in your reply,   I?m the ?to? addressee and Howard is the ?info? addressee so I?m presuming that your query is meant for me. 

As I indicated, there isn?t a way to connect the iPad directly to an Elecraft device.  The only examples I provided are 1) adding a web interface to the KAT500 in order to control it through the RR-1216H and 2) using an iPad App that interacts with a PC.  Of course, there are other ways to control a PC remotely with an iPAD such as by using TeamViewer or VNCViewer. 

I can?t speak for Howard, but his query is presumably based upon a desired result without necessarily coming up with a solution on how it would be done.  I?d be thrilled if Remote Rig offered more options for the RR-1216H to control the KAT500 or even the K3.  A web interface attached to the device in question through RS-232 gets around a number of issues, including serial-to-ethernet conversion, avoiding the need to run Windows PC programs (Elecraft utilities of various flavors), and opens the door for using smartphones, tablets, MacOS computers, etc. to access Elecraft devices. Given that I run my HF station remotely for the vast amount of time that I use it, making it easier to access it without having to run Windows either in the shack or where I?m located significantly enhances and simplifies the management of my remote system.  The K3/IO-mini certainly enhances the remote capability of controlling a K3, but it is only one part of the station architecture that an operator has to manage for full remote functionality.

I?m presuming that when the K4 is released that it will be the start of a pathway for Elecraft to provide simplified remote access as well.  That said, there are presumably scads of existing Elecraft devices in service that their owners would benefit from new product offerings that provide a web interface.  


73,

Barry, WD4ASW
Keller, TX


> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 10:08 PM, Barry Baines via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Howard:
>> 
>> I?m not aware of a iOS program that manages Elecraft equipment directly.  If you do a search on the App Store app found on the iPad, you can look at a program developed by KS7D that apparently interfaces with a PC that in turn accesses the Elecraft gear.  However, it hasn?t been updated in over a year and it isn?t clear to me how compatible it is with iOS13.x.
>> 
>> In the case of the KPA500, an alternative might be to use the Remote Rig RR-1216H to attach to the serial port of the KPA500 and then access the RR-1216H through a web interface.  I use the RR-1216H to manage the KPA500 and a second one to manage my Green Heron controller while operating remotely.  The RR-1216H has a configuration specifically for the KPA500; as far as I know there isn?t a configuration for the KPA-1500. The RR-1216H can be accessed with any web browser platform such as the iPhone, iPad, Android, etc.
>> 
>> At this point the only ?true? iPad app for controlling a transceiver and amplifier remotely is SmartSDR for IOS for the Flex-6000 series and their PGXL amplifier.  I would expect that after the K4 is released, ?someone? may develop a similar capability for the new Elecraft transceiver and associated equipment.
>> 
>> 
>> Hope this helps,
>> 
>> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
>> Keller, TX
>> 
>>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Howard Sherer <hms4 at lehigh.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Will any of the K3, KPA and KAT utility programs and remote programs run on
>>> the new Apple Ipad os ?
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From M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk  Fri Nov  8 12:01:09 2019
From: M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk (David Ferrington, M0XDF)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 17:01:09 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] will utility programs run on Apple Ipad os ?
In-Reply-To: <F3C08EB8-31A0-43C9-A469-D57448D52211@widomaker.com>
References: <5870E25C-D27A-46FC-857C-68C0BEAEC1F6@mac.com>
	<F3C08EB8-31A0-43C9-A469-D57448D52211@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <CA5C56D1-3562-4F24-82B7-660894EA3464@Alphadene.co.uk>

Bill, USB is possible, if you buy the Apple adapters - you need the lighting to the old style (30 pin) connector and then the SD card reader, which comes with a USB adapter, which both have 30 pin connectors.

It is (or was) then possible to run some apps to control rigs, but I don?t know if a Elecraft compatible protocol is available.

73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)

> On 8 Nov 2019, at 09:17, Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
> 
> How do you plan to connect the iPad to the radio?  The K3 typically connects thru a RS232 or USB port.  Neither are available on an iPad. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 10:08 PM, Barry Baines via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Howard:
>> 
>> I?m not aware of a iOS program that manages Elecraft equipment directly.  If you do a search on the App Store app found on the iPad, you can look at a program developed by KS7D that apparently interfaces with a PC that in turn accesses the Elecraft gear.  However, it hasn?t been updated in over a year and it isn?t clear to me how compatible it is with iOS13.x.
>> 
>> In the case of the KPA500, an alternative might be to use the Remote Rig RR-1216H to attach to the serial port of the KPA500 and then access the RR-1216H through a web interface.  I use the RR-1216H to manage the KPA500 and a second one to manage my Green Heron controller while operating remotely.  The RR-1216H has a configuration specifically for the KPA500; as far as I know there isn?t a configuration for the KPA-1500. The RR-1216H can be accessed with any web browser platform such as the iPhone, iPad, Android, etc.
>> 
>> At this point the only ?true? iPad app for controlling a transceiver and amplifier remotely is SmartSDR for IOS for the Flex-6000 series and their PGXL amplifier.  I would expect that after the K4 is released, ?someone? may develop a similar capability for the new Elecraft transceiver and associated equipment.
>> 
>> 
>> Hope this helps,
>> 
>> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
>> Keller, TX
>> 
>>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Howard Sherer <hms4 at lehigh.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Will any of the K3, KPA and KAT utility programs and remote programs run on
>>> the new Apple Ipad os ?
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From rick.nk7i at gmail.com  Fri Nov  8 13:06:31 2019
From: rick.nk7i at gmail.com (Rick Bates, NK7I)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 10:06:31 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] will utility programs run on Apple Ipad os ?
In-Reply-To: <F3C08EB8-31A0-43C9-A469-D57448D52211@widomaker.com>
References: <5870E25C-D27A-46FC-857C-68C0BEAEC1F6@mac.com>
	<F3C08EB8-31A0-43C9-A469-D57448D52211@widomaker.com>
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With a linux computer built into the K4, the door is open for wifi (or 
bluetooth) access to an iOS device (or a standard computer).? Unless 
Elecraft designed their own motherboard, it's likely already available 
on the board they're using and if they did roll their own, it may be in 
the chip set chosen for the wired access.? Wayne and team aren't 
ignorant in this want and have done a good job of looking forward when 
designing.

I expect a developer to step up at some point to make this 'simple' BUT 
it may only allow K4 access, not logbook, rotator, tuner, amplifier 
(etc) control.? That would mean more non-wired access.

The the K3 line, I use TeamViewer to access the computer controlling the 
station from any platform I have at hand (and Skype for audio, if CW or 
phone).? This includes my iOS devices. Sometimes the most direct path is 
the simplest.

73,
Rick nk7i


On 11/8/2019 1:17 AM, Nr4c wrote:
> How do you plan to connect the iPad to the radio?  The K3 typically connects thru a RS232 or USB port.  Neither are available on an iPad.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Fri Nov  8 13:18:55 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 13:18:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] will utility programs run on Apple Ipad os ?
In-Reply-To: <0440f31b-ffec-2962-e555-61f9a61f68fd@gmail.com>
References: <5870E25C-D27A-46FC-857C-68C0BEAEC1F6@mac.com>
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Message-ID: <F35667EF-C417-4E49-A748-C7F201322C4E@gmail.com>

They?ve already demonstrated wifi K4 control from a pad computer ? might have been a WIndows thingy, but I?m pretty sure Elecraft indicated there would be an iOS version.  Everything is just ?a few lines of code?, as they say ..  :-) :-)

But a question I have is whether at some point the K4 will have an integrated wireless adapter .. so I can connect it to my existing network (without a cable connection to my router which isn?t in the radio room), and run it from my Mac in the living room.  That would be ideal ...

Grant NQ5T

> On Nov 8, 2019, at 1:06 PM, Rick Bates, NK7I <rick.nk7i at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> With a linux computer built into the K4, the door is open for wifi (or bluetooth) access to an iOS device (or a standard computer).  Unless Elecraft designed their own motherboard, it's likely already available on the board they're using and if they did roll their own, it may be in the chip set chosen for the wired access.  Wayne and team aren't ignorant in this want and have done a good job of looking forward when designing.
> 
> I expect a developer to step up at some point to make this 'simple' BUT it may only allow K4 access, not logbook, rotator, tuner, amplifier (etc) control.  That would mean more non-wired access.
> 
> The the K3 line, I use TeamViewer to access the computer controlling the station from any platform I have at hand (and Skype for audio, if CW or phone).  This includes my iOS devices. Sometimes the most direct path is the simplest.
> 
> 73,
> Rick nk7i
> 
> 


From chrisrut7 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  8 13:20:37 2019
From: chrisrut7 at gmail.com (Chris R. NW6V)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 10:20:37 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] 4k monitors for the shack, late 2019
Message-ID: <CAG97cXv3WhoPdkHAYYZ0woq5mFiEfDt32-i8_A+KTrR7p2-New@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Scott.

You wrote  "What can people suggest for quasi-affordable *RF-quiet* 4k
displays in
the 27-40" range?"

I'm using an LG 27UD69P that I picked up as open stock at Best-Buy last
year and am quite satisfied. It's beautiful.

It does have an external PS, and is very happy to run off the same supply
as the rest of the rig, as is the Intel NUC PC it's connected to (Tim Duffy
of DXE uses these at every position of the K3LR super-station). This was an
important consideration because I wanted to be able to run the whole rig,
computer and all, off a big ol' 100AH LiPO battery, both for emergency use,
and when I wanted to kill all the noise possible when chasing DX down into
said noise.

I made the change to this configuration last year, before I retired as an
IT director, so at the time I had access to a number of DC-driven monitors.
This LG was the quietest of the four I tested. One Dell (not 4K) was a
hell-hole of RFI... :-)

Although this monitor was the "quietest" of the bunch, it was not
completely quiet. But. as Jim K9YC noted, I put ferrites on both the HDMI
and power lines to eliminate "noticeable" RFI.

I say noticeable because I "monitored the monitors" with a panadapter
running on a laptop hooked to the station antennas. Once the ferrites were
installed on this LG, what remained was but the faintest trace on 12M, *at
the antenna, *and that was good enough for me.

As another mentioned, the "noticeable" aspect of the RFI is important. If I
hold my RFI sniffer (a Kenwood TH-F6 HT) within about a foot of the
monitor, oriented at one specific angle, it is still putting out RFI. But
since I can't see the RFI at the antenna, that RFI is not impacting my
operations: The inverse-square law is reducing the intensity below
"noticeable" levels by the time it gets to the antennas, which is all that
matters.

And that of course is in the context of my background noise levels, which
at this city QTH are high (even after extensive mitigation work). So
background noise could render this internally generated noise undetectable.
But my existing system is sensitive enough to notice the differences among
several switching and analog supplies, so I'm satisfied that I'm not overly
QRMing myself.

So: I suggest testing whatever monitor you select, and buy enough snap-on
ferrites and extra-long cables (for enough turns) to filter any remaining
RFI.

Also, If you can get the monitor at a best-buy or some other place that
allows returns without restocking fees, you should be able to find one that
fits all your criteria.

Please let us all know what you find that works!

73 Chris NW6V

From mike at sm3wmv.com  Fri Nov  8 15:01:02 2019
From: mike at sm3wmv.com (Mikael Larsmark)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 21:01:02 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] 160m noise
Message-ID: <1573243262717.5785.12428@webmail8>

Hi,

I am having an issue which confuses me quite a bit. When I unplug my antennas and listen to 80m for example I have very low noise and the S-meter does not light up a single bar. When I go to 160m and do the same thing I have S3-S4 and I can hear a much higher noise level. It is the same behavior regardless if I use the RX antenna or the ANT1 jack (none with any antenna). I have the same settings on both bands.


I also tried to do a factory reset but behavior remains.
Any idea what this can be?


/Mikael, SJ2W

From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Fri Nov  8 16:15:26 2019
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 15:15:26 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] 160m noise
In-Reply-To: <1573243262717.5785.12428@webmail8>
References: <1573243262717.5785.12428@webmail8>
Message-ID: <068901d59679$a4621c00$ed265400$@LNAINC.com>

I'd guess power line noise.

Lyn, W?LEN

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Sent: Friday, November 08, 2019 2:01 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] 160m noise

Hi,

I am having an issue which confuses me quite a bit. When I unplug my
antennas and listen to 80m for example I have very low noise and the S-meter
does not light up a single bar. When I go to 160m and do the same thing I
have S3-S4 and I can hear a much higher noise level. It is the same behavior
regardless if I use the RX antenna or the ANT1 jack (none with any antenna).
I have the same settings on both bands.


I also tried to do a factory reset but behavior remains.
Any idea what this can be?


/Mikael, SJ2W
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Nov  8 16:17:37 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 16:17:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 160m noise
In-Reply-To: <1573243262717.5785.12428@webmail8>
References: <1573243262717.5785.12428@webmail8>
Message-ID: <f356697f-b8cc-f38f-89e1-9325ec9564c2@embarqmail.com>

Mikael,

I would suggest you try 2 things - first  connect a dummy load instead 
of the open antenna connector.
Second, leaving the dummy load in place, power the receiver from a 
battery to see if the higher noise is being caused by your power supply.

If neither of those things make a difference, contact support at elecraft.com.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/8/2019 3:01 PM, Mikael Larsmark wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am having an issue which confuses me quite a bit. When I unplug my antennas and listen to 80m for example I have very low noise and the S-meter does not light up a single bar. When I go to 160m and do the same thing I have S3-S4 and I can hear a much higher noise level. It is the same behavior regardless if I use the RX antenna or the ANT1 jack (none with any antenna). I have the same settings on both bands.
> 

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Nov  8 16:20:18 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 16:20:18 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 160m noise
In-Reply-To: <1573243262717.5785.12428@webmail8>
References: <1573243262717.5785.12428@webmail8>
Message-ID: <329b3b84-e165-8e04-56b5-19c8acf6a159@embarqmail.com>

Mikael,

One more thing - make sure you are comparing 80 and 160 equally.  Do you 
have the preamp on for both bands, or off for both bands?
Preamp on/off is a per band setting.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/8/2019 3:01 PM, Mikael Larsmark wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am having an issue which confuses me quite a bit. When I unplug my antennas and listen to 80m for example I have very low noise and the S-meter does not light up a single bar. When I go to 160m and do the same thing I have S3-S4 and I can hear a much higher noise level. It is the same behavior regardless if I use the RX antenna or the ANT1 jack (none with any antenna). I have the same settings on both bands.

From mike at sm3wmv.com  Fri Nov  8 16:26:52 2019
From: mike at sm3wmv.com (Mikael Larsmark)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 22:26:52 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] 160m noise
In-Reply-To: <2097094262.1075918.1573246526448@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1573243262717.5785.12428@webmail8>
	<2097094262.1075918.1573246526448@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1573248412061.30874.47222@webmail3>

Hi Dick,

I have tried plugging everything out of the radio except the power supply. Then I took another K3 and made sure I did not have the same problem on that radio which I did not have, it was totally quiet when unplugging the antennas. I took the power supply cable from that K3 and plugged into the one with problem (still no other cables connected) and still the same noise. I also tried a dummy load on the TX ant port but no success.


So I doubt it is anything generated locally since the setup is identical with the other K3 when switching them out. Plus it is dead quiet on all other bands when unplugging the antennas.
73 de Mike, SM2WMV (SJ2W)
http://www.sj2w.se/contest/


On 8 November 2019 at 21:55:26 +01:00, RIchard Williams <richarddw1945 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> First, I would try using just a battery to make sure it is not power supply. Then try turning off everything but your radio in the shack. If the noise is still there, throw the master breaker to the house to see if it might be something in your house.
> 
> 
> Or you might take your radio and a battery somewhere that is not near any noise sources and see what your S meter shows. If you still have the noise, maybe someone else has some thoughts.
> 
> 
> Dick, K8ZTT
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
> 
> 
> > On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 10:01, Mikael Larsmark
> > <mike at sm3wmv.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I am having an issue which confuses me quite a bit. When I unplug my antennas and listen to 80m for example I have very low noise and the S-meter does not light up a single bar. When I go to 160m and do the same thing I have S3-S4 and I can hear a much higher noise level. It is the same behavior regardless if I use the RX antenna or the ANT1 jack (none with any antenna). I have the same settings on both bands.
> > 
> > 
> > I also tried to do a factory reset but behavior remains.
> > Any idea what this can be?
> > 
> > /Mikael, SJ2W
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From eric at elecraft.com  Fri Nov  8 16:27:55 2019
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 13:27:55 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] 160m noise
In-Reply-To: <1573243262717.5785.12428@webmail8>
References: <1573243262717.5785.12428@webmail8>
Message-ID: <5cf04fd4-f4a5-0154-8712-91a51a899269@elecraft.com>

Hi Mikael,

Make sure you reload your saved K3 configuration file to the radio after an 
EEINIT. (EEINIT clears all of the radio calibration values and any menu items 
you have changed.)

If you didn't save the K3 radio config file first, contact supoprt at elecraft.com 
for our saved K3 configuration file from when your radio was manufactured.

In general, EEINIT is not something you want to do without talking to our 
support techs first.

Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 11/8/2019 12:01 PM, Mikael Larsmark wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am having an issue which confuses me quite a bit. When I unplug my antennas and listen to 80m for example I have very low noise and the S-meter does not light up a single bar. When I go to 160m and do the same thing I have S3-S4 and I can hear a much higher noise level. It is the same behavior regardless if I use the RX antenna or the ANT1 jack (none with any antenna). I have the same settings on both bands.
>
>
> I also tried to do a factory reset but behavior remains.
> Any idea what this can be?
>
> /Mikael, SJ2W

From mike at sm3wmv.com  Fri Nov  8 17:26:32 2019
From: mike at sm3wmv.com (Mikael Larsmark)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 23:26:32 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] 160m noise
In-Reply-To: <927788571.1082143.1573250005373@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1573243262717.5785.12428@webmail8>
	<2097094262.1075918.1573246526448@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1573248412061.30874.47222@webmail3>
	<927788571.1082143.1573250005373@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1573251992654.27905.119572@webmail2>

Hi again,

I tried the factory settings and the problem does remain. I made a Youtube clip which shows it and the noise goes away below 1320kHz and above 2150kHz.


Here is the clip,<https://youtu.be/Ju5oMhq2YEE>


So I really feel this is a problem in the radio and not anything else.
73 de Mike, SM2WMV (SJ2W)
http://www.sj2w.se/contest/


On 8 November 2019 at 22:53:25 +01:00, RIchard Williams <richarddw1945 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Well, that was a good idea (only works if you have a second radio). I would try Eric's suggestion to reload a good EEINIT file. Can't beat Elecraft for support.
> 
> 
> Dick, K8ZTT
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
> 
> 
> > On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 11:28, Mikael Larsmark
> > <mike at sm3wmv.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Dick,
> > 
> > I have tried plugging everything out of the radio except the power supply. Then I took another K3 and made sure I did not have the same problem on that radio which I did not have, it was totally quiet when unplugging the antennas. I took the power supply cable from that K3 and plugged into the one with problem (still no other cables connected) and still the same noise. I also tried a dummy load on the TX ant port but no success.
> > 
> > 
> > So I doubt it is anything generated locally since the setup is identical with the other K3 when switching them out. Plus it is dead quiet on all other bands when unplugging the antennas.
> > 73 de Mike, SM2WMV (SJ2W)
> > <http://www.sj2w.se/contest/>
> > 
> > 
> > On 8 November 2019 at 21:55:26 +01:00, RIchard Williams <<richarddw1945 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > > First, I would try using just a battery to make sure it is not power supply. Then try turning off everything but your radio in the shack. If the noise is still there, throw the master breaker to the house to see if it might be something in your house.
> > >
> > >
> > > Or you might take your radio and a battery somewhere that is not near any noise sources and see what your S meter shows. If you still have the noise, maybe someone else has some thoughts.
> > >
> > >
> > > Dick, K8ZTT
> > >
> > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers?_wl=ym?_sub1=Internal?_sub2=Global_YGrowth?_sub3=EmailSignature <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>>
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 10:01, Mikael Larsmark
> > > > <<mike at sm3wmv.com>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I am having an issue which confuses me quite a bit. When I unplug my antennas and listen to 80m for example I have very low noise and the S-meter does not light up a single bar. When I go to 160m and do the same thing I have S3-S4 and I can hear a much higher noise level. It is the same behavior regardless if I use the RX antenna or the ANT1 jack (none with any antenna). I have the same settings on both bands.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I also tried to do a factory reset but behavior remains.
> > > > Any idea what this can be?
> > > >
> > > > /Mikael, SJ2W
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From groups at planet3.freeuk.co.uk  Fri Nov  8 17:27:35 2019
From: groups at planet3.freeuk.co.uk (Brian D)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 22:27:35 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] 4k monitors for the shack, late 2019
In-Reply-To: <61359882-ecb8-0a1e-b7ea-b08b25aba772@bell.net>
References: <0ec68d71-5903-4ca4-b22b-dca28f5ab6c2@localhost> 
	<61359882-ecb8-0a1e-b7ea-b08b25aba772@bell.net>
Message-ID: <mpro.q0o91z000rfqb01aw.groups@planet3.freeuk.co.uk>

I get many fairly narrow sprogs from my 50" Asus 4k monitor, mainly 20m and
above. The antennas are quite close to the shack, the sprogs seem to be
radiated from the front of the screen.


Bert <ve3nr at bell.net> wrote:

> Agree - I use several ASUS monitors and they are all quiet!
> 
> Bert VE3NR
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/7/2019 5:59 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
> >   
> >   
> > One word....       ASUS.
> >   
> >
> >   
> > Asus has a huge line of monitors...    many with external power supplies
> > giving you the option to put them on a linear DC supply...
> >   
> >   
> >   
> >
> >   
> >   
> >   
> >   
> >   
> >>   
> > > On Nov 7, 2019 at 14:47, Tox  <scott.small at gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>   
> >>   
> >>   Hello all, I'm going to continue to eagerly await a K4 for A While.
In the meantime, I've been reconfiguring a room to become my shack, and am
slowly terraforming it. I'd like to pick up a couple of HDMI displays to
hang on the wall above/behind the rig and the computer I interface to it.
Viewing angle will be shaded, pretty much on-axis due to location, and it
will be right next to the entry of my feedline. Expected usage would be
waterfall/UI and pskreporter type apps. What can people suggest for
quasi-affordable *RF-quiet* 4k displays in the 27-40" range? (I'm not averse
to buying something like one of the midtier Samsungs, but do not have enough
left in the wallet to consider things like OLED). Bonus points for quiet 4k
HDMI switchers so I can bring Pis to the party. Thanks, Scott AD6YT -- Scott
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From eric at elecraft.com  Fri Nov  8 18:40:05 2019
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 15:40:05 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] 160m noise
In-Reply-To: <911ed162-7b67-4001-ae19-7a6b477fbed9@www.fastmail.com>
References: <1573243262717.5785.12428@webmail8>
	<5cf04fd4-f4a5-0154-8712-91a51a899269@elecraft.com>
	<911ed162-7b67-4001-ae19-7a6b477fbed9@www.fastmail.com>
Message-ID: <5f82a51e-83d1-26ff-5c9a-a31c976f6883@elecraft.com>

Thanks Jay!

Correct email address:? support at elecraft.com

Typing too fast today..

Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 11/8/2019 2:39 PM, Jay Rutherford wrote:
> Eric,
>
> Typo on "supoprt at elecraft.com"
>
> 73 Jay K3BH
>
> On Fri, Nov 8, 2019, at 16:27, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
>> Hi Mikael,
>>
>> Make sure you reload your saved K3 configuration file to the radio after an
>> EEINIT. (EEINIT clears all of the radio calibration values and any menu items
>> you have changed.)
>>
>> If you didn't save the K3 radio config file first, contact supoprt at elecraft.com
>> for our saved K3 configuration file from when your radio was manufactured.
>>
>> In general, EEINIT is not something you want to do without talking to our
>> support techs first.
>>
>> Eric
>> /elecraft.com/
>>
>> On 11/8/2019 12:01 PM, Mikael Larsmark wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am having an issue which confuses me quite a bit. When I unplug my antennas and listen to 80m for example I have very low noise and the S-meter does not light up a single bar. When I go to 160m and do the same thing I have S3-S4 and I can hear a much higher noise level. It is the same behavior regardless if I use the RX antenna or the ANT1 jack (none with any antenna). I have the same settings on both bands.
>>>
>>>
>>> I also tried to do a factory reset but behavior remains.
>>> Any idea what this can be?
>>>
>>> /Mikael, SJ2W
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Fri Nov  8 23:41:25 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 23:41:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] will utility programs run on Apple Ipad os ?
In-Reply-To: <8520E5F8-93AC-4BE7-AE6E-65A8637E6977@mac.com>
References: <8520E5F8-93AC-4BE7-AE6E-65A8637E6977@mac.com>
Message-ID: <478F3CA0-F011-4ABC-B881-BC7C1CE6BD93@widomaker.com>

My question want meant for a single person, but to all. I was asking how to connect it all together. I?m hoping for an iOS app. 
And I have used a Z?Pig thingy? to connect to my KX3. Worked rather well. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Nov 8, 2019, at 10:40 AM, Barry Baines <bbaines at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Bill:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2019, at 3:17 AM, Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
>> 
>> How do you plan to connect the iPad to the radio?  The K3 typically connects thru a RS232 or USB port.  Neither are available on an iPad. 
> 
> 
> Is your question direct at me?  in your reply,   I?m the ?to? addressee and Howard is the ?info? addressee so I?m presuming that your query is meant for me. 
> 
> As I indicated, there isn?t a way to connect the iPad directly to an Elecraft device.  The only examples I provided are 1) adding a web interface to the KAT500 in order to control it through the RR-1216H and 2) using an iPad App that interacts with a PC.  Of course, there are other ways to control a PC remotely with an iPAD such as by using TeamViewer or VNCViewer. 
> 
> I can?t speak for Howard, but his query is presumably based upon a desired result without necessarily coming up with a solution on how it would be done.  I?d be thrilled if Remote Rig offered more options for the RR-1216H to control the KAT500 or even the K3.  A web interface attached to the device in question through RS-232 gets around a number of issues, including serial-to-ethernet conversion, avoiding the need to run Windows PC programs (Elecraft utilities of various flavors), and opens the door for using smartphones, tablets, MacOS computers, etc. to access Elecraft devices. Given that I run my HF station remotely for the vast amount of time that I use it, making it easier to access it without having to run Windows either in the shack or where I?m located significantly enhances and simplifies the management of my remote system.  The K3/IO-mini certainly enhances the remote capability of controlling a K3, but it is only one part of the station architecture that an operator has to manage for full remote functionality.
> 
> I?m presuming that when the K4 is released that it will be the start of a pathway for Elecraft to provide simplified remote access as well.  That said, there are presumably scads of existing Elecraft devices in service that their owners would benefit from new product offerings that provide a web interface.  
> 
> 
> 73,
> 
> Barry, WD4ASW
> Keller, TX
> 
> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 10:08 PM, Barry Baines via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Howard:
>>> 
>>> I?m not aware of a iOS program that manages Elecraft equipment directly.  If you do a search on the App Store app found on the iPad, you can look at a program developed by KS7D that apparently interfaces with a PC that in turn accesses the Elecraft gear.  However, it hasn?t been updated in over a year and it isn?t clear to me how compatible it is with iOS13.x.
>>> 
>>> In the case of the KPA500, an alternative might be to use the Remote Rig RR-1216H to attach to the serial port of the KPA500 and then access the RR-1216H through a web interface.  I use the RR-1216H to manage the KPA500 and a second one to manage my Green Heron controller while operating remotely.  The RR-1216H has a configuration specifically for the KPA500; as far as I know there isn?t a configuration for the KPA-1500. The RR-1216H can be accessed with any web browser platform such as the iPhone, iPad, Android, etc.
>>> 
>>> At this point the only ?true? iPad app for controlling a transceiver and amplifier remotely is SmartSDR for IOS for the Flex-6000 series and their PGXL amplifier.  I would expect that after the K4 is released, ?someone? may develop a similar capability for the new Elecraft transceiver and associated equipment.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> 
>>> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
>>> Keller, TX
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Howard Sherer <hms4 at lehigh.edu> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Will any of the K3, KPA and KAT utility programs and remote programs run on
>>>> the new Apple Ipad os ?
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From daveingeb at comcast.net  Sat Nov  9 00:12:49 2019
From: daveingeb at comcast.net (DAVID INGEBRIGHT)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 22:12:49 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 remote control using serial port
Message-ID: <79316777.49922.1573276369443@connect.xfinity.com>

I have the KAT-500 Utility working fine through the serial cable and USB. Now to get it running over the internet on the RRC 1258. Using the RRC COM 2 Port, the set up wants to know the serial protocol, The stop bits, the data bits and the parity. I see someone asked that back in 2014 but can't seem to find the answer. Cannot find this info in the KAT500 manual.
de Dave WB7ELY

From bbaines at mac.com  Sat Nov  9 01:01:09 2019
From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 00:01:09 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 remote control using serial port
In-Reply-To: <79316777.49922.1573276369443@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <79316777.49922.1573276369443@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <D032CA78-5F67-4404-970B-47C789DC3226@mac.com>

David:



> On Nov 8, 2019, at 11:12 PM, DAVID INGEBRIGHT <daveingeb at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> I have the KAT-500 Utility working fine through the serial cable and USB. Now to get it running over the internet on the RRC 1258. Using the RRC COM 2 Port, the set up wants to know the serial protocol, The stop bits, the data bits and the parity. I see someone asked that back in 2014 but can't seem to find the answer. Cannot find this info in the KAT500 manual.

I?m using a Lantronics EDS4100 to convert serial-to-ethernet at the shack to forward KAT500 serial data from the ham shack to my location.  I?m running Win10 Pro under Parallels on a Macbook Pro running the KAT500 utility software and Lantronics software to convert ethernet back to serial.  This allows the Elecraft KAT500 utility where I am to ?see? the KAT500 at the shack.

My EDS4100 has Com9 configured for RS232, 34800 baud, None, 8,1, None.  The first ?None? is for parity and the second ?None? is for flow control.  As noted, it is 8-bit, 1 stop bit, and no parity.


Hope this helps, 

Barry Baines, WD4ASW
Keller, TX


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From jackbrindle at me.com  Sat Nov  9 01:49:51 2019
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 22:49:51 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 remote control using serial port
In-Reply-To: <79316777.49922.1573276369443@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <79316777.49922.1573276369443@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <A9C90BFA-B873-4EB6-AC25-C22C48DEDBCD@me.com>

David;

Sorry I didn?t?t have the opportunity until now to answer your question?

The answer is in the KAT500 Programming reference. You probably want to use 38400 bps, 8 N 1 to communicate with the KAT500, as is described in the Serial Port Overview section of that manual.
The manual is available at the same place as the operations manual.

73!
Jack, W6FB


> On Nov 8, 2019, at 9:12 PM, DAVID INGEBRIGHT <daveingeb at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> I have the KAT-500 Utility working fine through the serial cable and USB. Now to get it running over the internet on the RRC 1258. Using the RRC COM 2 Port, the set up wants to know the serial protocol, The stop bits, the data bits and the parity. I see someone asked that back in 2014 but can't seem to find the answer. Cannot find this info in the KAT500 manual.
> de Dave WB7ELY
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From sm6bga at gmail.com  Sat Nov  9 03:57:05 2019
From: sm6bga at gmail.com (Hans Johansson)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 09:57:05 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 remote
Message-ID: <CAC2q1PJTNn9EmG7LykWKcw2sPDwh2BKPYT3w65zzQZgKAZOCJQ@mail.gmail.com>

I am trying to use KAT500 remote progrsm to control my KAT500 but
I can't get any connection. If I use KAT500 utility it works quite OK and I
get contact. Anyone who has an advice what I do wrong ?

Hans  SM6BGA.

From lladerman at earthlink.net  Sat Nov  9 11:23:24 2019
From: lladerman at earthlink.net (W0FK)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 09:23:24 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 ETA Date?
Message-ID: <1573316604013-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Any update on the ETA for the first deliveries of the K4?

73, Lou, W0FK 



-----
St. Louis, MO

"The difference between stupidity and genius is that 
genius has its limits." Albert Einstein


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From Gary at ka1j.com  Sat Nov  9 12:42:51 2019
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2019 12:42:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 ETA Date?
In-Reply-To: <1573316604013-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1573316604013-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <5DC6FA9B.19744.2984940@Gary.ka1j.com>

According to their pre-order page, January 
is the target date.

https://elecraft.com/pages/k4-pre-order

I have my order in :)

73,

Gary
KA1J

> Any update on the ETA for the first deliveries of the K4?
> 
> 73, Lou, W0FK 
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> St. Louis, MO
> 
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> genius has its limits." Albert Einstein
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From lladerman at earthlink.net  Sat Nov  9 13:34:43 2019
From: lladerman at earthlink.net (W0FK)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 11:34:43 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 ETA Date?
In-Reply-To: <5DC6FA9B.19744.2984940@Gary.ka1j.com>
References: <1573316604013-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<5DC6FA9B.19744.2984940@Gary.ka1j.com>
Message-ID: <1573324483645-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Thanks Gary, I hadn?t looked at that page for a while. 

73

Lou



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From kzembower at verizon.net  Sat Nov  9 16:13:20 2019
From: kzembower at verizon.net (Kevin Zembower)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 16:13:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Using dynamic mic on KX-3?
References: <34cfe5e1-bba5-1fbd-de94-c812c5c5a100.ref@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <34cfe5e1-bba5-1fbd-de94-c812c5c5a100@verizon.net>

Hello, new subscriber here. Thanks for setting up this list.

I'm trying to connect a Heil Pro Set Elite headphones and mic to a KX-3. 
I'm confused by what I'm thinking is conflicting advice. The Heil mic 
has a dynamic element, while the KX-3 is normally used with the MH-3 mic 
with an electret element requiring bias voltage. I'm using the 
HLN-AD-1-KX3 adapter from DXEngineering to connect them.

With regard to RTFM: I found the section on page 38 regarding MIC BIAS 
and MIC BTN. I understand that I should set MIC BIAS to OFF for the Heil 
headset. I think I should also set the MIC BTN to PTT, because I have a 
foot pedal connected to the adapter.

However, I'm confused by the flyer at 
https://ftp.elecraft.com/KX3/Manuals%20Downloads/E740174%20Proset%20for%20the%20KX3%20Rev%20A.pdf 
which seems to indicate that MIC BIAS should be ON, and MIC BTN OFF to 
disable all PTT switches. This indicates that the transmitter should be 
triggered only by VOX or the XMIT front panel switch.

And, also confusing, I found the email thread at 
http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Microphone-Setup-tp7609912.html 
which is for the K3. I wasn't sure if this advice for the K3 could also 
be applied to the KX-3. In particular, the note at 
http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Microphone-Setup-tp7609912p7609921.html 
uses a MIC SEL menu option, which doesn't seem to be available on the 
KX-3. It does have lots of detailed information about settings for TX EQ 
which I'd like to use if applicable.

I only have the opportunity to use the KX-3 at our club shack, about 
once a week, so I can't just turn to it and experiment. I'm also worried 
about causing permanent damage to either the radio or the headset by 
just trying things out.

Any advice to clear up my confusion? Thanks for any help and guidance.

-Kevin
KC3KZ



From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sat Nov  9 16:42:55 2019
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 15:42:55 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Using dynamic mic on KX-3?
In-Reply-To: <34cfe5e1-bba5-1fbd-de94-c812c5c5a100@verizon.net>
References: <34cfe5e1-bba5-1fbd-de94-c812c5c5a100.ref@verizon.net>
	<34cfe5e1-bba5-1fbd-de94-c812c5c5a100@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <FA2EB557-D73A-43DB-8D9E-6438850BCB61@wunderwood.org>

The Elecraft Heil Proset uses an electret mic element, so it needs bias. Yours uses a dynamic element, so it does not need bias.

Your adapter from DX Engineering brings out the PTT contacts separately, so you should leave MIC BTN to PTT.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Nov 9, 2019, at 3:13 PM, Kevin Zembower via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Hello, new subscriber here. Thanks for setting up this list.
> 
> I'm trying to connect a Heil Pro Set Elite headphones and mic to a KX-3. I'm confused by what I'm thinking is conflicting advice. The Heil mic has a dynamic element, while the KX-3 is normally used with the MH-3 mic with an electret element requiring bias voltage. I'm using the HLN-AD-1-KX3 adapter from DXEngineering to connect them.
> 
> With regard to RTFM: I found the section on page 38 regarding MIC BIAS and MIC BTN. I understand that I should set MIC BIAS to OFF for the Heil headset. I think I should also set the MIC BTN to PTT, because I have a foot pedal connected to the adapter.
> 
> However, I'm confused by the flyer at https://ftp.elecraft.com/KX3/Manuals%20Downloads/E740174%20Proset%20for%20the%20KX3%20Rev%20A.pdf which seems to indicate that MIC BIAS should be ON, and MIC BTN OFF to disable all PTT switches. This indicates that the transmitter should be triggered only by VOX or the XMIT front panel switch.
> 
> And, also confusing, I found the email thread at http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Microphone-Setup-tp7609912.html which is for the K3. I wasn't sure if this advice for the K3 could also be applied to the KX-3. In particular, the note at http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Microphone-Setup-tp7609912p7609921.html uses a MIC SEL menu option, which doesn't seem to be available on the KX-3. It does have lots of detailed information about settings for TX EQ which I'd like to use if applicable.
> 
> I only have the opportunity to use the KX-3 at our club shack, about once a week, so I can't just turn to it and experiment. I'm also worried about causing permanent damage to either the radio or the headset by just trying things out.
> 
> Any advice to clear up my confusion? Thanks for any help and guidance.
> 
> -Kevin
> KC3KZ
> 
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sat Nov  9 16:50:02 2019
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 15:50:02 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Using dynamic mic on KX-3?
In-Reply-To: <FA2EB557-D73A-43DB-8D9E-6438850BCB61@wunderwood.org>
References: <34cfe5e1-bba5-1fbd-de94-c812c5c5a100.ref@verizon.net>
	<34cfe5e1-bba5-1fbd-de94-c812c5c5a100@verizon.net>
	<FA2EB557-D73A-43DB-8D9E-6438850BCB61@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <9DD636AB-791F-453A-AD3F-B8CB8220A713@wunderwood.org>

Dang. Replace "should leave MIC BTN to PTT? with "should set MIC BTN to PTT?.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Nov 9, 2019, at 3:42 PM, Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org> wrote:
> 
> The Elecraft Heil Proset uses an electret mic element, so it needs bias. Yours uses a dynamic element, so it does not need bias.
> 
> Your adapter from DX Engineering brings out the PTT contacts separately, so you should leave MIC BTN to PTT.
> 
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
> 
>> On Nov 9, 2019, at 3:13 PM, Kevin Zembower via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, new subscriber here. Thanks for setting up this list.
>> 
>> I'm trying to connect a Heil Pro Set Elite headphones and mic to a KX-3. I'm confused by what I'm thinking is conflicting advice. The Heil mic has a dynamic element, while the KX-3 is normally used with the MH-3 mic with an electret element requiring bias voltage. I'm using the HLN-AD-1-KX3 adapter from DXEngineering to connect them.
>> 
>> With regard to RTFM: I found the section on page 38 regarding MIC BIAS and MIC BTN. I understand that I should set MIC BIAS to OFF for the Heil headset. I think I should also set the MIC BTN to PTT, because I have a foot pedal connected to the adapter.
>> 
>> However, I'm confused by the flyer at https://ftp.elecraft.com/KX3/Manuals%20Downloads/E740174%20Proset%20for%20the%20KX3%20Rev%20A.pdf which seems to indicate that MIC BIAS should be ON, and MIC BTN OFF to disable all PTT switches. This indicates that the transmitter should be triggered only by VOX or the XMIT front panel switch.
>> 
>> And, also confusing, I found the email thread at http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Microphone-Setup-tp7609912.html which is for the K3. I wasn't sure if this advice for the K3 could also be applied to the KX-3. In particular, the note at http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Microphone-Setup-tp7609912p7609921.html uses a MIC SEL menu option, which doesn't seem to be available on the KX-3. It does have lots of detailed information about settings for TX EQ which I'd like to use if applicable.
>> 
>> I only have the opportunity to use the KX-3 at our club shack, about once a week, so I can't just turn to it and experiment. I'm also worried about causing permanent damage to either the radio or the headset by just trying things out.
>> 
>> Any advice to clear up my confusion? Thanks for any help and guidance.
>> 
>> -Kevin
>> KC3KZ
>> 
>> 
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From jim at rhodesend.net  Sat Nov  9 16:56:32 2019
From: jim at rhodesend.net (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 15:56:32 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Using dynamic mic on KX-3?
In-Reply-To: <FA2EB557-D73A-43DB-8D9E-6438850BCB61@wunderwood.org>
References: <34cfe5e1-bba5-1fbd-de94-c812c5c5a100.ref@verizon.net>
	<34cfe5e1-bba5-1fbd-de94-c812c5c5a100@verizon.net>
	<FA2EB557-D73A-43DB-8D9E-6438850BCB61@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4YTrD7306qFhm5GtPnhOEM7pKhg210=0DQyxhhgBuoH0g@mail.gmail.com>

No, not all Heil prosets use a condenser mike. Only the ones made for Icom
rigs. If you bought yours from Elecraft that is probably what you have.
Both of mine are not and have a dynamic elements.
You can safely experiment with your KX3 by turning the power down to 0.0,
at that stting on power out is generated and you can safely set the mic
gain and compression and if you listen with headphones and turn the monitor
level up you can hear what you will sound like on the air. Set the mic gain
and compression as the manual says.

Jim Rhodes
K0XU

From ericrosenberg.dc at gmail.com  Sat Nov  9 16:59:13 2019
From: ericrosenberg.dc at gmail.com (Eric - Gmail)
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2019 21:59:13 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Uploading voice files to K3 DVR?
Message-ID: <emc0aa8ed4-15cc-4ffa-b5a0-488bfeae3a80@main-pc>

Is it possible to upload voice files to the DVR in the K3, or do I have 
to record them directly?

Thanks,

Eric W3DQ

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sat Nov  9 17:09:20 2019
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 16:09:20 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Using dynamic mic on KX-3?
In-Reply-To: <CALhxr4YTrD7306qFhm5GtPnhOEM7pKhg210=0DQyxhhgBuoH0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <34cfe5e1-bba5-1fbd-de94-c812c5c5a100.ref@verizon.net>
	<34cfe5e1-bba5-1fbd-de94-c812c5c5a100@verizon.net>
	<FA2EB557-D73A-43DB-8D9E-6438850BCB61@wunderwood.org>
	<CALhxr4YTrD7306qFhm5GtPnhOEM7pKhg210=0DQyxhhgBuoH0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CE447E3-5B64-4A61-A914-8207AAB26527@wunderwood.org>

> On Nov 9, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Jim Rhodes <jim at rhodesend.net> wrote:
> 
> Set the mic gain and compression as the manual says.

Or set the mic gain and compression for your voice. Also set TX EQ.

The manual is a great start, but I collected some other ideas from this list and wrote a blog article. For example, you can use the DVR to listen to the settings. That allows you to hear your voice as other operators will hear it, without bone conduction.

https://observer.wunderwood.org/2015/09/09/transmit-audio-and-compression-with-the-elecraft-kx3/

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)


From ac5p at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov  9 17:29:17 2019
From: ac5p at sbcglobal.net (Mike Maloney)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 22:29:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] case for KX3?
References: <1683141931.1296688.1573338557015.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1683141931.1296688.1573338557015@mail.yahoo.com>

Anyone had experience packing a KX3 in an Apache 1800 waterproof case from Harbor Freight? ??Saw the case today at HF and looked like it would fit okay for good transport protection. ?
73, Mike AC5P

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Nov  9 18:16:28 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 18:16:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Using dynamic mic on KX-3?
In-Reply-To: <34cfe5e1-bba5-1fbd-de94-c812c5c5a100@verizon.net>
References: <34cfe5e1-bba5-1fbd-de94-c812c5c5a100.ref@verizon.net>
	<34cfe5e1-bba5-1fbd-de94-c812c5c5a100@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <390dd2c1-4c31-1615-fca8-fac608dbf278@embarqmail.com>

Kevin,

I have not looked into the DX Engineering adapter to see how it is 
wired.  You should get that information from DXE.

What is apparently conflicting advice comes from the fact that all Heil 
ProSets are not equal and not all are supplied with an adapter.  There 
are 2 basic types, one (like the Elecraft ProSet-K2 and the Heil 
ProSet-iC) use electret elements which need bias like your MH3.  Others 
use a dynamic element and should not have bias applied.

With that being said, take a look at the microphone plug on your ProSet 
- is it a mono plug (most are), and then look at the KX3 microphone jack 
pinout in the KX3 manual.  When using an adapter such as the one from 
DXE, you have to look at the wiring for the adapter as well.

Note that the KX3 microphone jack is a 4 circuit jack.  The tip is AF, 
and the Sleeve is the shield (AF return).  But the Ring1 and Ring2 will 
be shorted to the shield (Ground) by a mono plug.

To prevent the KX3 from going into transmit when you insert a mono plug, 
you will have to turn MIC BTN to OFF.

If you have an adapter, you may be able to leave MIC BTN set to PTT. 
Furthmore IF your microphone has a stereo (3 conductor) plug, then you 
can leave MIC BTN set to PTT if your microphone cable has an input for a 
PTT switch.

What I am saying is that you have to compare the wiring of the mic plug 
on the Heil mic with the wiring of the KX3 mic jack.

Since you are using the adapter from DXE, they should be able to provide 
the best information to you.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 11/9/2019 4:13 PM, Kevin Zembower via Elecraft wrote:
> Hello, new subscriber here. Thanks for setting up this list.
> 
> I'm trying to connect a Heil Pro Set Elite headphones and mic to a KX-3. 
> I'm confused by what I'm thinking is conflicting advice. The Heil mic 
> has a dynamic element, while the KX-3 is normally used with the MH-3 mic 
> with an electret element requiring bias voltage. I'm using the 
> HLN-AD-1-KX3 adapter from DXEngineering to connect them.
> 

From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com  Sat Nov  9 19:15:00 2019
From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 18:15:00 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Uploading voice files to K3 DVR?
In-Reply-To: <emc0aa8ed4-15cc-4ffa-b5a0-488bfeae3a80@main-pc>
References: <emc0aa8ed4-15cc-4ffa-b5a0-488bfeae3a80@main-pc>
Message-ID: <A3BA133F-7CC6-41D4-9711-7113F9F30D8B@gmail.com>

Record them.  There is no file transfer protocol defined to upload audio clips to the KDVR3.

73,

Lyle KK7P

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 9, 2019, at 4:01 PM, Eric - Gmail <ericrosenberg.dc at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Is it possible to upload voice files to the DVR in the K3, or do I have to record them directly?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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From shull2805 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  9 21:13:17 2019
From: shull2805 at gmail.com (Steve Hull)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 21:13:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] case for KX3?
In-Reply-To: <1683141931.1296688.1573338557015@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1683141931.1296688.1573338557015.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1683141931.1296688.1573338557015@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAMi9qwLVroQddoav=9gwqnhyAeQx0OV0ALCqEtjn4FiYYd7r9Q@mail.gmail.com>

I have my KX3 & PX3 in an Apache 3800 and the KXPA100 in a 2800.  No
experience with the 1800.  In general, the Apache cases offer good
protection and value.  I have no idea how well the KX3 fits inside the
1800, but be sure to leave room for foam on all sides.  In fact, I'd
probably suggest the 2800 because that leaves extra room for cables and
other stuff.

On Sat, Nov 9, 2019, 5:31 PM Mike Maloney <ac5p at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Anyone had experience packing a KX3 in an Apache 1800 waterproof case from
> Harbor Freight?   Saw the case today at HF and looked like it would fit
> okay for good transport protection.
> 73, Mike AC5P
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From kk4vhf at gmail.com  Sat Nov  9 22:14:00 2019
From: kk4vhf at gmail.com (Chris Parfitt)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 22:14:00 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] case for KX3?
In-Reply-To: <CAMi9qwLVroQddoav=9gwqnhyAeQx0OV0ALCqEtjn4FiYYd7r9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1683141931.1296688.1573338557015.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1683141931.1296688.1573338557015@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CAMi9qwLVroQddoav=9gwqnhyAeQx0OV0ALCqEtjn4FiYYd7r9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37708BB5-F1EF-4524-B210-9CAD26C409A2@gmail.com>

Good evening, Mike:

I definitely concur with Steve in leaving room to have enough padding on all sides. Just now, I checked as I have an unused Apache 1800. My KX3 would fit; however, there is not enough room for padding on the sides. With the left side of the KX3 almost touching the interior wall, the BNC connector was about half an inch or so from the right wall.

The 2800 would have more than enough room. For reference, I keep mine in a Pelican 1200, and there is just enough room for the transceiver, hand mic, and power cable. I hope this helps.

73,
Chris, AC4MP


> On Nov 9, 2019, at 9:13 PM, Steve Hull <shull2805 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have my KX3 & PX3 in an Apache 3800 and the KXPA100 in a 2800.  No
> experience with the 1800.  In general, the Apache cases offer good
> protection and value.  I have no idea how well the KX3 fits inside the
> 1800, but be sure to leave room for foam on all sides.  In fact, I'd
> probably suggest the 2800 because that leaves extra room for cables and
> other stuff.
> 
> On Sat, Nov 9, 2019, 5:31 PM Mike Maloney <ac5p at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
>> Anyone had experience packing a KX3 in an Apache 1800 waterproof case from
>> Harbor Freight?   Saw the case today at HF and looked like it would fit
>> okay for good transport protection.
>> 73, Mike AC5P
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sat Nov  9 22:24:49 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 19:24:49 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <8284d4ac-87bf-d0b0-99b1-99ca4140bc4f@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ? It was cool and sunny this week, perfect for splitting wood and 
marking the last property line.? Now it is foggy, wet, and cool. All 
that firewood makes a cozy fire.? The loggers have moved in some heavy 
equipment with more due on Monday.? For the next month I won't need to 
set an alarm clock.

 ?? A gust of solar wind is due on the 11th, a little late for our 
nets.? However, there was a tiny sunspot this week.? It faded rapidly 
after breaking the long spotless period.? This spot is interesting not 
only for its existence but it is of the new cycle's polarity.? 
Propagation won't improve immediately but there is hope.


Please join us tomorrow on:

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday? (2 PM PST Sunday)
 ?7047 kHz at 0000z Monday? (4 PM PST Sunday)

73,

 ?? Kevin. KD5ONS

-


From oz6abm at qsl.net  Sun Nov 10 06:56:38 2019
From: oz6abm at qsl.net (oz6abm at qsl.net)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 12:56:38 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Battery pack not powering K2
Message-ID: <000001d597bd$e93363d0$bb9a2b70$@qsl.net>

Hi,

 

I hope someone can help me here. I have K2 with the internal battery kit.

I have used this radio with the battery for many years, but now I have a problem.

When I power up the radio with only the battery it is dead, no display nothing.

When I apply a PSU it works fine.

I have checked all the connections P3 (Aux) and the Int. Battery switch on the back panel is ON.

Anyway, nothing has changed since it last worked.

When I check the voltage on the battery terminals it says 10.5V. I get the same reading on the P3 connector, so power is reaching the radio, but the radio is not powering up.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Thanks

Robin

OZ6ABM/5P5R

 


From mails at qrp4fun.de  Sun Nov 10 07:18:31 2019
From: mails at qrp4fun.de (Ingo Meyer, DK3RED)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 13:18:31 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Battery pack not powering K2
In-Reply-To: <000001d597bd$e93363d0$bb9a2b70$@qsl.net>
References: <000001d597bd$e93363d0$bb9a2b70$@qsl.net>
Message-ID: <09ded82a-ce7f-b1d1-5391-83d7d3341486@qrp4fun.de>

Hello Robin,


> I hope someone can help me here. I have K2 with the internal battery kit.
...
> When I check the voltage on the battery terminals it says 10.5V. I get the same reading on the P3 connector, so power is reaching the radio, but the radio is not powering up.

I had the same problem a few years ago. Charging with an external charger seemed to work. 
But the transceiver switched off very quickly, even though there was still enough voltage. 
Finally, after 10 or 11 years of use, I exchanged the battery for a new one and everything 
was fine again. Knowledge: Lead batteries don't live forever.


73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de

From pa0pje at xs4all.nl  Sun Nov 10 07:44:32 2019
From: pa0pje at xs4all.nl (Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE))
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 13:44:32 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Battery pack not powering K2
In-Reply-To: <000001d597bd$e93363d0$bb9a2b70$@qsl.net>
References: <000001d597bd$e93363d0$bb9a2b70$@qsl.net>
Message-ID: <a6babe79-381d-a846-fb06-6bbdf6284d0b@xs4all.nl>

Hello Robin,

10,5 Volts is very low for a 12 V.lead-acid battery. Try to load it with
a lamp or resistor and measure the voltage at the battery again under
load condition. I doubt that all cells in the battery are good. The gel
in these batteries can dry out, which is killing them.

There is also a series diode in the supply-line to prevent damage due to
reverse connection of a power supply that at least has a voltage drop of
0,2 volts. I don't recall on what voltage the K2 will cease to work.

73,
Peter - PA0PJE

Op 10-11-19 om 12:56 schreef oz6abm at qsl.net:
> Hi,
> 
>   
> 
> I hope someone can help me here. I have K2 with the internal battery kit.
> 
> I have used this radio with the battery for many years, but now I have a problem.
> 
> When I power up the radio with only the battery it is dead, no display nothing.
> 
> When I apply a PSU it works fine.
> 
> I have checked all the connections P3 (Aux) and the Int. Battery switch on the back panel is ON.
> 
> Anyway, nothing has changed since it last worked.
> 
> When I check the voltage on the battery terminals it says 10.5V. I get the same reading on the P3 connector, so power is reaching the radio, but the radio is not powering up.
> 
>   
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
>   
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Robin
> 
> OZ6ABM/5P5R
> 
>   
> 
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From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Sun Nov 10 09:22:52 2019
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 14:22:52 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Battery pack not powering K2
In-Reply-To: <000001d597bd$e93363d0$bb9a2b70$@qsl.net>
References: <000001d597bd$e93363d0$bb9a2b70$@qsl.net>
Message-ID: <DM6PR11MB3514D490FDE5C6108171E9A3FB750@DM6PR11MB3514.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

I had my first battery last about 5 years until it wouldn't turn on the radio. It started to leak on one corner, so I was glad to get it out of there before it got on anything. Do you measure the voltage when the K2 switch is turned on? Mine was about 3 volts when the rig was turned on, but obviously dark.

























Chuck Hawley
 c-hawley at illinois.edu

 Amateur Radio, KE9UW
 aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles

________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of oz6abm at qsl.net <oz6abm at qsl.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2019 5:56 AM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Battery pack not powering K2

Hi,



I hope someone can help me here. I have K2 with the internal battery kit.

I have used this radio with the battery for many years, but now I have a problem.

When I power up the radio with only the battery it is dead, no display nothing.

When I apply a PSU it works fine.

I have checked all the connections P3 (Aux) and the Int. Battery switch on the back panel is ON.

Anyway, nothing has changed since it last worked.

When I check the voltage on the battery terminals it says 10.5V. I get the same reading on the P3 connector, so power is reaching the radio, but the radio is not powering up.



Any suggestions?



Thanks

Robin

OZ6ABM/5P5R



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From kz5d.arts at gmail.com  Sun Nov 10 10:56:56 2019
From: kz5d.arts at gmail.com (Art Suberbielle)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 09:56:56 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K-4 features
Message-ID: <CAJC3qyiFp5qWJDTqEVuttiUD202eVaHh4Me=RBNCgFBN4wza4A@mail.gmail.com>

Wondering if the K-4 will remember settings of RF/AF gain per band?

Also, what amount of reduction in db will the Attenuation provide?

Thanks.

Art KZ5D

From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Sun Nov 10 13:15:38 2019
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 12:15:38 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Battery pack not powering K2
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR11MB3514D490FDE5C6108171E9A3FB750@DM6PR11MB3514.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <000001d597bd$e93363d0$bb9a2b70$@qsl.net>
	<DM6PR11MB3514D490FDE5C6108171E9A3FB750@DM6PR11MB3514.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <9CF69B34-E429-44C2-9490-25F2FAC3F9AD@gmail.com>

Mine is missing the battery, I was told it is a 
Powersonic PS-1229 for my K2

Is that true?

-73-  Frank    KG9H
kg9hfrank at gmail.com




> On Nov 10, 2019, at 8:22 AM, hawley, charles j jr <c-hawley at illinois.edu> wrote:
> 
> I had my first battery last about 5 years until it wouldn't turn on the radio. It started to leak on one corner, so I was glad to get it out of there before it got on anything. Do you measure the voltage when the K2 switch is turned on? Mine was about 3 volts when the rig was turned on, but obviously dark.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Chuck Hawley
> c-hawley at illinois.edu
> 
> Amateur Radio, KE9UW
> aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles
> 
> ________________________________
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of oz6abm at qsl.net <oz6abm at qsl.net>
> Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2019 5:56 AM
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Battery pack not powering K2
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 
> 
> I hope someone can help me here. I have K2 with the internal battery kit.
> 
> I have used this radio with the battery for many years, but now I have a problem.
> 
> When I power up the radio with only the battery it is dead, no display nothing.
> 
> When I apply a PSU it works fine.
> 
> I have checked all the connections P3 (Aux) and the Int. Battery switch on the back panel is ON.
> 
> Anyway, nothing has changed since it last worked.
> 
> When I check the voltage on the battery terminals it says 10.5V. I get the same reading on the P3 connector, so power is reaching the radio, but the radio is not powering up.
> 
> 
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Robin
> 
> OZ6ABM/5P5R
> 
> 
> 
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Nov 10 13:23:33 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 13:23:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Battery pack not powering K2
In-Reply-To: <9CF69B34-E429-44C2-9490-25F2FAC3F9AD@gmail.com>
References: <000001d597bd$e93363d0$bb9a2b70$@qsl.net>
	<DM6PR11MB3514D490FDE5C6108171E9A3FB750@DM6PR11MB3514.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
	<9CF69B34-E429-44C2-9490-25F2FAC3F9AD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aca2b9d6-35f6-a7c6-a766-5715bb218700@embarqmail.com>

Frank,

Yes, that is the battery supplied by Elecraft.
If you do not have the battery installed, you may also be missing the 
thin foam strip that is to go between the battery and the bracket. 
Nothing really special, and if you have some of that material on hand, 
just cut it the size of the battery.  The foam pad makes the battery a 
bit more secure when installed in the bracket (i.e no rattling).

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/10/2019 1:15 PM, Frank Krozel wrote:
> Mine is missing the battery, I was told it is a
> Powersonic PS-1229 for my K2
> 

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sun Nov 10 15:33:22 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 12:33:22 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K-4 features
In-Reply-To: <CAJC3qyiFp5qWJDTqEVuttiUD202eVaHh4Me=RBNCgFBN4wza4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJC3qyiFp5qWJDTqEVuttiUD202eVaHh4Me=RBNCgFBN4wza4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A9ABFE46-BC58-45DE-8BA9-3B7BB9DF4566@elecraft.com>


> Art Suberbielle <kz5d.arts at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Wondering if the K-4 will remember settings of RF/AF gain per band?

Hi Art,

RF gain and squelch are per-band, per-receiver, as are the preamp and attenuator controls. 

There's an AF gain control for each receiver that applies to all bands. 


> Also, what amount of reduction in db will the Attenuation provide?

Attenuation ranges from 0 to 21 dB in 3 dB steps. There are also three preamp settings per band (off, 1, 2).

73,
Wayne
N6KR



From jstengrevics at comcast.net  Sun Nov 10 15:49:35 2019
From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 15:49:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K-4 features
In-Reply-To: <A9ABFE46-BC58-45DE-8BA9-3B7BB9DF4566@elecraft.com>
References: <CAJC3qyiFp5qWJDTqEVuttiUD202eVaHh4Me=RBNCgFBN4wza4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<A9ABFE46-BC58-45DE-8BA9-3B7BB9DF4566@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <A68BB529-C906-4BD5-824A-7759BDB919FD@comcast.net>

Hi Wayne,

Do you have any information about:

1.  Sensitivity or noise floor of the K4 relative to the K3S?

2.  Noise blanking and noise reduction effectiveness relative to the K3S?  In the regard, will noise reduction be disabled on digital modes as does the K3S?

73,

John
WA1EAZ

> On Nov 10, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> Art Suberbielle <kz5d.arts at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Wondering if the K-4 will remember settings of RF/AF gain per band?
> 
> Hi Art,
> 
> RF gain and squelch are per-band, per-receiver, as are the preamp and attenuator controls. 
> 
> There's an AF gain control for each receiver that applies to all bands. 
> 
> 
>> Also, what amount of reduction in db will the Attenuation provide?
> 
> Attenuation ranges from 0 to 21 dB in 3 dB steps. There are also three preamp settings per band (off, 1, 2).
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
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From oz6abm at qsl.net  Sun Nov 10 16:17:01 2019
From: oz6abm at qsl.net (oz6abm at qsl.net)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 22:17:01 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Battery pack not powering K2
In-Reply-To: <aca2b9d6-35f6-a7c6-a766-5715bb218700@embarqmail.com>
References: <000001d597bd$e93363d0$bb9a2b70$@qsl.net>
	<DM6PR11MB3514D490FDE5C6108171E9A3FB750@DM6PR11MB3514.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
	<9CF69B34-E429-44C2-9490-25F2FAC3F9AD@gmail.com>
	<aca2b9d6-35f6-a7c6-a766-5715bb218700@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001d5980c$31e74fd0$95b5ef70$@qsl.net>

Thanks for the good advice. I have now seen the voltage drops to 2.3 V on the battery when the K2 is powered on, even though it's close to 11 V charged.
So I have ordered a new battery and will see if that resolves it.

73
Robin

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> 
Sent: Sunday, 10 November 2019 19.24
To: Frank Krozel <kg9hfrank at gmail.com>; hawley, charles j jr <c-hawley at illinois.edu>
Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net; robkan at mail.dk
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Battery pack not powering K2

Frank,

Yes, that is the battery supplied by Elecraft.
If you do not have the battery installed, you may also be missing the thin foam strip that is to go between the battery and the bracket. 
Nothing really special, and if you have some of that material on hand, just cut it the size of the battery.  The foam pad makes the battery a bit more secure when installed in the bracket (i.e no rattling).

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/10/2019 1:15 PM, Frank Krozel wrote:
> Mine is missing the battery, I was told it is a Powersonic PS-1229 for 
> my K2
> 

From ockmrzr at gmail.com  Sun Nov 10 16:30:53 2019
From: ockmrzr at gmail.com (ockmrzr at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 14:30:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Display Color
Message-ID: <0aa801d5980e$2215b630$66412290$@gmail.com>

I just purchased a KPA1500; I had been using a KPA500.  It was "plug and
play!"  I disconnected the 500 and plugged in the 1500, updated the firmware
and everything worked.  Only have used for a day, but I already love it.

 

One exception, the color of the display.  It's light blue, as opposed to the
yellow/orange of the 500 and the K3.  I did a quick read of the manual, nil,
and did a Google on changing the color, also nil.

 

Is there a way to change the display color to match the K3?  Or, am I stuck
with light blue?

 

73 de Bruce, N7TY

Yuma, AZ

www.qsl.net/n7ty <http://www.qsl.net/n7ty> 

 


From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sun Nov 10 17:12:57 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 17:12:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Display Color
In-Reply-To: <0aa801d5980e$2215b630$66412290$@gmail.com>
References: <0aa801d5980e$2215b630$66412290$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37BE1DD7-B92E-4AF8-BD26-DD7213EC4145@gmail.com>


> Is there a way to change the display color to match the K3?  Or, am I stuck
> with light blue?

Stuck ? 


From k4qs1 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 10 18:16:57 2019
From: k4qs1 at yahoo.com (Chuck Stover)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 23:16:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Display Color
In-Reply-To: <37BE1DD7-B92E-4AF8-BD26-DD7213EC4145@gmail.com>
References: <0aa801d5980e$2215b630$66412290$@gmail.com>
	<37BE1DD7-B92E-4AF8-BD26-DD7213EC4145@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1682842797.1459150.1573427817836@mail.yahoo.com>

 Buy a K4, problem solved. 
Chuck K4QS

    On Sunday, November 10, 2019, 5:16:51 PM EST, Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 
> Is there a way to change the display color to match the K3?? Or, am I stuck
> with light blue?

Stuck ? 

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From rocketnj at gmail.com  Sun Nov 10 18:34:36 2019
From: rocketnj at gmail.com (Dave)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 18:34:36 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Display Color
In-Reply-To: <1682842797.1459150.1573427817836@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1682842797.1459150.1573427817836@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <06CB8624-A2E2-4FCC-964D-83AE8EE5E90E@gmail.com>

I use a software called Node Red running on a Raspberry Pi talking to the KPA1500 on the network. This allows me to control and monitor the amp from a web browser. Customizable colors and layout. 

This will also come in handy for those who run their radios remote.
I find I use it more than looking at the amp or using the remote app.

I have a picture of the Node Red layout on my QRZ page.
https://www.qrz.com/db/WO2X

Dave wo2x

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 10, 2019, at 6:18 PM, Chuck Stover via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ? Buy a K4, problem solved. 
> Chuck K4QS
> 
>>    On Sunday, November 10, 2019, 5:16:51 PM EST, Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com> wrote:  
>> 
>> 
>> Is there a way to change the display color to match the K3?  Or, am I stuck
>> with light blue?
> 
> Stuck ? 
> 
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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Sun Nov 10 18:58:20 2019
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 18:58:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Display Color
In-Reply-To: <06CB8624-A2E2-4FCC-964D-83AE8EE5E90E@gmail.com>
References: <1682842797.1459150.1573427817836@mail.yahoo.com>
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Wow

Dave has really spiffed up his Node-Red control panel.  :)  I need to do
some work on mine.

I have done the same thing to control my KPA500.

As there is no 'off the shelf' remote control solution, using a PI, some
bits and Node-Red is the next best thing.  You can do it even if you don't
own a soldering iron.

Mike va3mw


On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 6:35 PM Dave <rocketnj at gmail.com> wrote:

> I use a software called Node Red running on a Raspberry Pi talking to the
> KPA1500 on the network. This allows me to control and monitor the amp from
> a web browser. Customizable colors and layout.
>
> This will also come in handy for those who run their radios remote.
> I find I use it more than looking at the amp or using the remote app.
>
> I have a picture of the Node Red layout on my QRZ page.
> https://www.qrz.com/db/WO2X
>
> Dave wo2x
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Nov 10, 2019, at 6:18 PM, Chuck Stover via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> >
> > ? Buy a K4, problem solved.
> > Chuck K4QS
> >
> >>    On Sunday, November 10, 2019, 5:16:51 PM EST, Grant Youngman <
> ghyoungman at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Is there a way to change the display color to match the K3?  Or, am I
> stuck
> >> with light blue?
> >
> > Stuck ?
> >
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sun Nov 10 20:06:02 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 17:06:02 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K-4 features
In-Reply-To: <A68BB529-C906-4BD5-824A-7759BDB919FD@comcast.net>
References: <CAJC3qyiFp5qWJDTqEVuttiUD202eVaHh4Me=RBNCgFBN4wza4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<A9ABFE46-BC58-45DE-8BA9-3B7BB9DF4566@elecraft.com>
	<A68BB529-C906-4BD5-824A-7759BDB919FD@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BF841151-04F9-4B43-B171-005477DB45CE@elecraft.com>


> John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Wayne,
> 
> Do you have any information about:
> 
> 1.  Sensitivity or noise floor of the K4 relative to the K3S?

Similar, but with finer-grain control. The K4 has 3 preamp settings and 8 attenuator levels per-band/per-receiver. As with the K3S, an LNA (low noise preamp) is available for each receiver on the highest bands. Built-in transverters will have their own LNAs optimized for specific bands.


> 2.  Noise blanking and noise reduction effectiveness relative to the K3S?  

The K4, being an SDR, provides access to a different class of wide-band NR and NB algorithms. In HDR mode (i.e. with the KHDR4 module installed and enabled), per-receiver hardware I.F. blankers can be switched in, similar to those in the K3.

There's also narrowband, DSP-based NR and NB, similar to that available on the K3. You'll be able to combine the various modes to best effect. Since the user interface is more versatile (graphic LCD), we can provide both simple and customized NR and NB setup. 

The noise blanker for the panadapter is linked to noise blanker setup on the radio, so only one operation is needed to turn on both. (This is in contrast to the K3 and P3, where independent setup is required.)


> Will noise reduction be disabled on digital modes as does the K3S?

Yes.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



From elanzl at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 10 22:07:43 2019
From: elanzl at sbcglobal.net (Eric Lanzl)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 03:07:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] 11-10-2019 SSB net
References: <1741812785.2485839.1573441663742.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1741812785.2485839.1573441663742@mail.yahoo.com>

Here is the list of stations checking in today. From last week's list, I need to correct one error it should be K7BRR instead of N7BRR. Thanks again to the relay stations who make it possible for more people to check in to the net. Propagation was a little bit better today than it has been in the past. Also a welcome to the first time check in stations. Always nice to have new people checking in. The net meets on Sundays at 1800Z on 14.303.5. Everyone is welcome to check in. 


Elecraft SSB Net 11-10-2019

WB9JNZ???????? Eric????? IL????????K3???????????4017??? Net Control

KO5V????????????? Jim????? NM????? K2/100 ???? 7255????? Relay Station

K8NU/4?????????? Carl???? OH???? TS590???? ? ?? viaKF4LZA

WM6P ??????????? Steve ??GA ?????K3S ??????? 11453 ????RelayStation 

KG5BZ??????????? Ron???? TX???? ??TS 870? ?????Mustang Island Tx? 1st time check in

NC0JW?????????? Jim????? CO??? ???KX3??? ? ?????1356???Relay station

WA5DSS??????? Bill??????? TX??????  K2/100??????6746???

W1NGA????????? AL??????? CO?????  K3?????? ???????5765

KF6F?????????????? Guy???? CA??????  K3S??? ???? ?10650

K7BRR??????????? Bill?????? AZ??? ????K3S??? ??? ? 10939

N0NPM?????????? Mike??? IA????????  K3S??? ?????? 10514

KO5V????????????? Jim????? NM?????  K2/100???? ? ? 7255

NS7P????????????? Phil????? ?? OR??? ?K3????? ????? ?1826

KP4WA?????????? James ? PR???? ?Yaesu 991A ? endfed dipole 400 w. 

W7DXX?????????? Keith??? ? NM???? ?K3S?? ?? ?????? 5880?? 1STtime check in

KF7ZN??????????? Ron???? ? UT????  ?K3S?? ? ? ?? ? 10832

NW4JF??????????? John??? ?? TN??? ? K3S?? ??? ? ? 11177

K4FBI????????????? Mike???  VA???? ???K3S?? ??? ??? 11414

W4DML?????????? Doug?? TN?????? ?K3????? ?????? ??6433

K6VWE?????????? Stan???? ? MI????? ? K3S?? ?????? ?? 650

KD5U? ???????????John??? ? TX????  ?KX2????????????? 2728? ?QRP ?1sttime check in
N4NRW????????? Roger? ?? SC??? ? K3????? ?????? ?? 1318
Best wishes to all,
Eric WB9JNZ

From k9ma at sdellington.us  Sun Nov 10 22:12:51 2019
From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 21:12:51 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K-4 features
In-Reply-To: <BF841151-04F9-4B43-B171-005477DB45CE@elecraft.com>
References: <CAJC3qyiFp5qWJDTqEVuttiUD202eVaHh4Me=RBNCgFBN4wza4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<A9ABFE46-BC58-45DE-8BA9-3B7BB9DF4566@elecraft.com>
	<A68BB529-C906-4BD5-824A-7759BDB919FD@comcast.net>
	<BF841151-04F9-4B43-B171-005477DB45CE@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <4e3e8747-7d84-df4b-4013-99fd7d88ecc2@sdellington.us>

On 11/10/2019 19:06, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> The K4, being an SDR, provides access to a different class of wide-band NR and NB algorithms.

Some hardware noise blankers are very effective at reducing line noise 
and other impulse-type noise, provided there are no strong signals 
within the 15 kHz + NB bandwidth. (My old FT-1000D, for example.) With 
appropriate firmware, could the K4 NB achieve that kind of performance? 
Could the strong signal limitation be overcome by having the SDR detect 
noise in a slightly different frequency range, like just outside a ham 
band during a contest?


73,

Scott K9MA

-- 
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k9ma at sdellington.us


From va3mw at portcredit.net  Sun Nov 10 22:23:26 2019
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 22:23:26 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 remote
In-Reply-To: <CAC2q1PJTNn9EmG7LykWKcw2sPDwh2BKPYT3w65zzQZgKAZOCJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC2q1PJTNn9EmG7LykWKcw2sPDwh2BKPYT3w65zzQZgKAZOCJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts7NV-ROwSW5u3m0B08o7G8ScPMzCVVJvQ2BMpJvtaGmEg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Hans

We need more information.

If you are using the remote client, there are a few things to set up.

First, the local software needs to be running on the PC that the AMP is
connected to

Have a look at the Port Number that the KPA500 software is listening on.
The default should work ok.

Now, run the same software on the remote PC and when you start it up, you
need specify the IP address and the port of the remote PC.  If you have a
VPN setup, that is great.  If not, then you need to do a port forward
through your router and you need to know the IP address of your Router.

This is pretty high level and I do not know your network expertise.    If
you understand all I wrote, then you will know what to do.

If not, then you will need a bunch more details from  us.

It does work as I have used it for years like that.

Mike va3mw


On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 3:57 AM Hans Johansson <sm6bga at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am trying to use KAT500 remote progrsm to control my KAT500 but
> I can't get any connection. If I use KAT500 utility it works quite OK and I
> get contact. Anyone who has an advice what I do wrong ?
>
> Hans  SM6BGA.
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Nov 10 23:13:06 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 20:13:06 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <1633c3c0-7508-b564-8a92-0a55779de713@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? QSB needs to have a metric associated with it.? Today it was slow 
and covered about 4 S units.? On some ops it was as deep but there was 
less variation.? The fluctuations were never fast enough to cut up 
characters so copy was easy enough.? On twenty meters reports were S6 at 
best but signals popped out from a quiet band. Forty meters held more 
noise with more QSB; slower but just as deep as before.

 ?? The forecast cold front from the north has taken hold.? Snow with 
daytime temperature in the teens in North Dakota while there were 
milder, but locally chilly, temperatures from the South. Hooded 
sweatshirts in Tuscaloosa are not normal for mid-November.


 ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

W0CZ - Ken - ND

AB9V - Mike - IN

K6XK - Roy - IA

NO8V - John - MI

K4JPN - Steve - GA

K4TO - Dave - KY


 ? On 7047.5 kHz at 0000z:

K6PJV - Dale - CA

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K4TO - Dave - KY


Until next week stay well,

 ??? Kevin.? KD5ONS




May cycle 25 speed its way onto the sun.


-




From aj4tf at arrl.net  Mon Nov 11 05:29:14 2019
From: aj4tf at arrl.net (aj4tf)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 03:29:14 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S/100 - TX current on 20m
Message-ID: <1573468154788-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Something that I have recently noticed on my K3S/100 :  DC current draw on 20
meters is significantly higher (+4 amps) than the other HF bands at the same
power setting and input conditions into a dummy load (into antenna, same
thing).   This is both before and after performing a TX Gain Cal.  

Test conditions:  mode Data A,  input single test tone from FLDIGI software
(4-5 bars ALC), tone level & frequency not changed during the tests, ATU
bypassed, ANT1 selected.  Power supply voltage in RX,  14.3 V,  RX current
1.2 - 1.3 amps.  

This ONLY occurs on 20m, the other HF bands seem to be OK. (6m is higher
than the HF bands by about 2 amps, not sure if that is normal or not).   For
example, with 80W out: 80m, 60m, 40m, 30m, 17m, 15m, 12m, 10m are all close
to 16 amps, but 20m is 20 amps.  (6m is 18 amps).

I searched the archive and found a few references to "bad low pass filter".  
I have already emailed details to support at elecraft.com but wondered if there
is something I can check in the meantime until they get back to me.

73 David AJ4TF



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From a.durbin at msn.com  Mon Nov 11 07:55:08 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 12:55:08 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 config restore
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB2968BF79137AEDF7C8EF7D948C740@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

If you attempt to use KAT Utility version 1.19.5.30 to restore a saved configuration it may hang up when progress bar shows complete (full green bar).  Config files can be restored with Utility version 1.16.7.25 which is the previous released version.  1.19.5.30 fixed a problem with writing SWR limits but seems to have broken config restore.

The utility author has been advised.

Andy, k3wyc

From elanzl at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 11 08:26:19 2019
From: elanzl at sbcglobal.net (Eric Lanzl)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 13:26:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Correction to the ssb net log from 11-10
References: <278442821.2656342.1573478779350.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <278442821.2656342.1573478779350@mail.yahoo.com>

NW4JF should be WW4JF.?
Eric WB9JNZ net control.

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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Nov 11 08:48:25 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 07:48:25 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S/100 - TX current on 20m
In-Reply-To: <1573468154788-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1573468154788-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <10dcda2d-749a-d0aa-449a-b5032df8592f@blomand.net>

Measurements on my K3S into a 50 ohm load, at 100 watts PWR setting did 
show the current does vary from band to? band.? I found that 20M and 17M 
were the highest at 20.2 amps as indicated by the current display in the 
K3S.? The lowest current was 16.0 amps on 40M.?? I would consider this 
to be normal and of no concern.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 11/11/2019 4:29 AM, aj4tf wrote:
> Something that I have recently noticed on my K3S/100 :  DC current draw on 20
> meters is significantly higher (+4 amps) than the other HF bands at the same
> power setting and input conditions into a dummy load (into antenna, same
> thing).   This is both before and after performing a TX Gain Cal.
>
> Test conditions:  mode Data A,  input single test tone from FLDIGI software
> (4-5 bars ALC), tone level & frequency not changed during the tests, ATU
> bypassed, ANT1 selected.  Power supply voltage in RX,  14.3 V,  RX current
> 1.2 - 1.3 amps.
>
> This ONLY occurs on 20m, the other HF bands seem to be OK. (6m is higher
> than the HF bands by about 2 amps, not sure if that is normal or not).   For
> example, with 80W out: 80m, 60m, 40m, 30m, 17m, 15m, 12m, 10m are all close
> to 16 amps, but 20m is 20 amps.  (6m is 18 amps).
>
> I searched the archive and found a few references to "bad low pass filter".
> I have already emailed details to support at elecraft.com but wondered if there
> is something I can check in the meantime until they get back to me.
>
> 73 David AJ4TF
>
>
>
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From jim at jtmiller.com  Mon Nov 11 09:03:40 2019
From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 09:03:40 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Thermal problems
Message-ID: <CACYeN9y4NLMX__GngyoWwaKNGjq17v7X_PbEOei_JYr8Vs_5gg@mail.gmail.com>

I participated in the WAE RTTY contest this past weekend and was having
problems with thermal tripping.

I have resonant antennas for 80, 40 and 20m and had SWR between 1:1 and
1.2:1, power nominally set between 1400-1500w.

I found that I couldn't repeatedly CQ without temperature creeping up so I
paused to around 50% duty cycle to stop that.

However when sending QTC which amount to about 200 characters the
temperature would rapidly increase and eventually thermal trip.

I took several actions to try to compensate:

I opened the shack windows and bundled up. Shack then stayed at 60f or
below.
I immediately manually cranked the fan speed to max (5) when started to
send QTCs.
I rode the drive power downward as the power increased to stay below the
trip point of 105c.

Upon taking all these actions I was able to eventually send the QTC packets
but it was unnerving and unexpected.

This is a low serial number KPA1500 but with latest production firmware.

What have others seen?

73

jim ab3cv

From a.durbin at msn.com  Mon Nov 11 09:24:02 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 14:24:02 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Thermal problems
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB296898702ACCA2CC9C5A96498C740@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"I rode the drive power downward as the power increased to stay below the trip point of 105c."

Was that intended to be "as the temperature increased"?  If so, do you have any data that shows PA dissipation is lower at reduced power levels for the KPA1500?  For the KPA500 PA dissipation increases as power is reduced and peaks at about half rated output.

73,
Andy, k3wyc

From jim at jtmiller.com  Mon Nov 11 09:29:02 2019
From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 09:29:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Thermal problems
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9y4NLMX__GngyoWwaKNGjq17v7X_PbEOei_JYr8Vs_5gg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACYeN9y4NLMX__GngyoWwaKNGjq17v7X_PbEOei_JYr8Vs_5gg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACYeN9xMNjqev+pyMrFfDd+idu3gQ0FLNtrbuPA5FjygAJEF+g@mail.gmail.com>

" I rode the drive power downward as the power increased to stay below the
trip point of 105c."

Should have been "as the temperature increased"

jim ab3cv

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 9:03 AM Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:

> I participated in the WAE RTTY contest this past weekend and was having
> problems with thermal tripping.
>
> I have resonant antennas for 80, 40 and 20m and had SWR between 1:1 and
> 1.2:1, power nominally set between 1400-1500w.
>
> I found that I couldn't repeatedly CQ without temperature creeping up so I
> paused to around 50% duty cycle to stop that.
>
> However when sending QTC which amount to about 200 characters the
> temperature would rapidly increase and eventually thermal trip.
>
> I took several actions to try to compensate:
>
> I opened the shack windows and bundled up. Shack then stayed at 60f or
> below.
> I immediately manually cranked the fan speed to max (5) when started to
> send QTCs.
> I rode the drive power downward as the power increased to stay below the
> trip point of 105c.
>
> Upon taking all these actions I was able to eventually send the QTC
> packets but it was unnerving and unexpected.
>
> This is a low serial number KPA1500 but with latest production firmware.
>
> What have others seen?
>
> 73
>
> jim ab3cv
>

From fhmassey at gmail.com  Mon Nov 11 09:32:35 2019
From: fhmassey at gmail.com (Fred Massey)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 08:32:35 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Thermal problems
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What output power did that reduce too ultimately,  is 105c the design temp
limit?

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 8:30 AM Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:

> " I rode the drive power downward as the power increased to stay below the
> trip point of 105c."
>
> Should have been "as the temperature increased"
>
> jim ab3cv
>
> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 9:03 AM Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:
>
> > I participated in the WAE RTTY contest this past weekend and was having
> > problems with thermal tripping.
> >
> > I have resonant antennas for 80, 40 and 20m and had SWR between 1:1 and
> > 1.2:1, power nominally set between 1400-1500w.
> >
> > I found that I couldn't repeatedly CQ without temperature creeping up so
> I
> > paused to around 50% duty cycle to stop that.
> >
> > However when sending QTC which amount to about 200 characters the
> > temperature would rapidly increase and eventually thermal trip.
> >
> > I took several actions to try to compensate:
> >
> > I opened the shack windows and bundled up. Shack then stayed at 60f or
> > below.
> > I immediately manually cranked the fan speed to max (5) when started to
> > send QTCs.
> > I rode the drive power downward as the power increased to stay below the
> > trip point of 105c.
> >
> > Upon taking all these actions I was able to eventually send the QTC
> > packets but it was unnerving and unexpected.
> >
> > This is a low serial number KPA1500 but with latest production firmware.
> >
> > What have others seen?
> >
> > 73
> >
> > jim ab3cv
> >
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From jim at jtmiller.com  Mon Nov 11 09:35:34 2019
From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 09:35:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Thermal problems
In-Reply-To: <CAMY8Yn9AR0WgZzHSzb9a5m9iwkcBHYQKW0AYEHTaVYAg24RrNA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACYeN9y4NLMX__GngyoWwaKNGjq17v7X_PbEOei_JYr8Vs_5gg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACYeN9xMNjqev+pyMrFfDd+idu3gQ0FLNtrbuPA5FjygAJEF+g@mail.gmail.com>
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It trips off at 105C.

It starts warning with a yellow indication at 100c

Power reduced to 1kw helped slow the rate of temperature increase but still
required a cold room and max fan speed at the beginning to contain it. It
never stopped climbing.

Jim ab3cv

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 9:32 AM Fred Massey <fhmassey at gmail.com> wrote:

> What output power did that reduce too ultimately,  is 105c the design temp
> limit?
>
> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 8:30 AM Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:
>
>> " I rode the drive power downward as the power increased to stay below the
>> trip point of 105c."
>>
>> Should have been "as the temperature increased"
>>
>> jim ab3cv
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 9:03 AM Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I participated in the WAE RTTY contest this past weekend and was having
>> > problems with thermal tripping.
>> >
>> > I have resonant antennas for 80, 40 and 20m and had SWR between 1:1 and
>> > 1.2:1, power nominally set between 1400-1500w.
>> >
>> > I found that I couldn't repeatedly CQ without temperature creeping up
>> so I
>> > paused to around 50% duty cycle to stop that.
>> >
>> > However when sending QTC which amount to about 200 characters the
>> > temperature would rapidly increase and eventually thermal trip.
>> >
>> > I took several actions to try to compensate:
>> >
>> > I opened the shack windows and bundled up. Shack then stayed at 60f or
>> > below.
>> > I immediately manually cranked the fan speed to max (5) when started to
>> > send QTCs.
>> > I rode the drive power downward as the power increased to stay below the
>> > trip point of 105c.
>> >
>> > Upon taking all these actions I was able to eventually send the QTC
>> > packets but it was unnerving and unexpected.
>> >
>> > This is a low serial number KPA1500 but with latest production firmware.
>> >
>> > What have others seen?
>> >
>> > 73
>> >
>> > jim ab3cv
>> >
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From n1nk at cox.net  Mon Nov 11 09:35:48 2019
From: n1nk at cox.net (Jim Spears)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 09:35:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FS:  K3/100 dual RX
Message-ID: <003f01d5989d$504f2830$f0ed7890$@cox.net>

FS: K3/100 s/n 64xx. kit built by myself. never out of non-smoking, no pet
shack. no problems at all. ever.


configuration: KPA3, KAT100, DVR3, KRX3 (sub-RX), KSYN3 (original, not
upgrade A version), KXV3B (upgrade) and KIO3B (upgrade). 

main filters: 2.8/400; sub filters: 2.7/500. 

 

photos on request, will meet on air on request. asking $1750 shipped
stateside. Jim/N1NK


From fhmassey at gmail.com  Mon Nov 11 09:37:17 2019
From: fhmassey at gmail.com (Fred Massey)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 08:37:17 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Thermal problems
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9wXzBnCRqiT5wTuhR-JDYNTK-9xYVZj5qx+BfYA_wtqpw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACYeN9y4NLMX__GngyoWwaKNGjq17v7X_PbEOei_JYr8Vs_5gg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACYeN9xMNjqev+pyMrFfDd+idu3gQ0FLNtrbuPA5FjygAJEF+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMY8Yn9AR0WgZzHSzb9a5m9iwkcBHYQKW0AYEHTaVYAg24RrNA@mail.gmail.com>
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Thank you for the information.  RTTY contests are the acid test of an
amp....

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 8:35 AM Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:

> It trips off at 105C.
>
> It starts warning with a yellow indication at 100c
>
> Power reduced to 1kw helped slow the rate of temperature increase but
> still required a cold room and max fan speed at the beginning to contain
> it. It never stopped climbing.
>
> Jim ab3cv
>
> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 9:32 AM Fred Massey <fhmassey at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What output power did that reduce too ultimately,  is 105c the design
>> temp limit?
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 8:30 AM Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:
>>
>>> " I rode the drive power downward as the power increased to stay below
>>> the
>>> trip point of 105c."
>>>
>>> Should have been "as the temperature increased"
>>>
>>> jim ab3cv
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 9:03 AM Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > I participated in the WAE RTTY contest this past weekend and was having
>>> > problems with thermal tripping.
>>> >
>>> > I have resonant antennas for 80, 40 and 20m and had SWR between 1:1 and
>>> > 1.2:1, power nominally set between 1400-1500w.
>>> >
>>> > I found that I couldn't repeatedly CQ without temperature creeping up
>>> so I
>>> > paused to around 50% duty cycle to stop that.
>>> >
>>> > However when sending QTC which amount to about 200 characters the
>>> > temperature would rapidly increase and eventually thermal trip.
>>> >
>>> > I took several actions to try to compensate:
>>> >
>>> > I opened the shack windows and bundled up. Shack then stayed at 60f or
>>> > below.
>>> > I immediately manually cranked the fan speed to max (5) when started to
>>> > send QTCs.
>>> > I rode the drive power downward as the power increased to stay below
>>> the
>>> > trip point of 105c.
>>> >
>>> > Upon taking all these actions I was able to eventually send the QTC
>>> > packets but it was unnerving and unexpected.
>>> >
>>> > This is a low serial number KPA1500 but with latest production
>>> firmware.
>>> >
>>> > What have others seen?
>>> >
>>> > 73
>>> >
>>> > jim ab3cv
>>> >
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Nov 11 09:48:49 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 08:48:49 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S/100 - TX current on 20m
In-Reply-To: <1573468154788-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1573468154788-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <06a563c2-7c52-c18c-d32d-fc5700d7196f@blomand.net>

As indicated on my K3S current display, at a PWR setting of 100 watts, 
to a 50 ohm dummy load:

160M = 18.0A

80M = 17.6A

40M =16.0A

30M = 16.4A

20M = 20.2A

17M = 20.2A

15M = 17.0A

12M = 17.7A

10M = 17.0A

6M? = 18.8A

I'd consider these values to be typical and normal.?? Actual power 
output as indicated on my Bird 43 is a few watts above 100 on all 
bands.? This is after a fresh transmit gain calibration.

73

Bob, K4TAX




On 11/11/2019 4:29 AM, aj4tf wrote:
> Something that I have recently noticed on my K3S/100 :  DC current draw on 20
> meters is significantly higher (+4 amps) than the other HF bands at the same
> power setting and input conditions into a dummy load (into antenna, same
> thing).   This is both before and after performing a TX Gain Cal.
>
> Test conditions:  mode Data A,  input single test tone from FLDIGI software
> (4-5 bars ALC), tone level & frequency not changed during the tests, ATU
> bypassed, ANT1 selected.  Power supply voltage in RX,  14.3 V,  RX current
> 1.2 - 1.3 amps.
>
> This ONLY occurs on 20m, the other HF bands seem to be OK. (6m is higher
> than the HF bands by about 2 amps, not sure if that is normal or not).   For
> example, with 80W out: 80m, 60m, 40m, 30m, 17m, 15m, 12m, 10m are all close
> to 16 amps, but 20m is 20 amps.  (6m is 18 amps).
>
> I searched the archive and found a few references to "bad low pass filter".
> I have already emailed details to support at elecraft.com but wondered if there
> is something I can check in the meantime until they get back to me.
>
> 73 David AJ4TF
>
>
>
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Nov 11 11:17:52 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 08:17:52 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K-4 features
In-Reply-To: <4e3e8747-7d84-df4b-4013-99fd7d88ecc2@sdellington.us>
References: <CAJC3qyiFp5qWJDTqEVuttiUD202eVaHh4Me=RBNCgFBN4wza4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<A9ABFE46-BC58-45DE-8BA9-3B7BB9DF4566@elecraft.com>
	<A68BB529-C906-4BD5-824A-7759BDB919FD@comcast.net>
	<BF841151-04F9-4B43-B171-005477DB45CE@elecraft.com>
	<4e3e8747-7d84-df4b-4013-99fd7d88ecc2@sdellington.us>
Message-ID: <35C98606-D6CB-40C9-B934-08F498479CD3@elecraft.com>

Hi Scott,

We could trigger the main RX noise blanker from the sub RX, though we haven't tried this yet. I believe this would achieve what you're describing. For example, the sub RX could be tuned to 13.975 while the main is tuned to the 20 meter CW band.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Nov 10, 2019, at 7:12 PM, K9MA <k9ma at sdellington.us> wrote:
> 
> On 11/10/2019 19:06, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> The K4, being an SDR, provides access to a different class of wide-band NR and NB algorithms.
> 
> Some hardware noise blankers are very effective at reducing line noise and other impulse-type noise, provided there are no strong signals within the 15 kHz + NB bandwidth. (My old FT-1000D, for example.) With appropriate firmware, could the K4 NB achieve that kind of performance? Could the strong signal limitation be overcome by having the SDR detect noise in a slightly different frequency range, like just outside a ham band during a contest?



From mike.flowers at gmail.com  Mon Nov 11 11:29:23 2019
From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 08:29:23 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 config restore
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB2968BF79137AEDF7C8EF7D948C740@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB2968BF79137AEDF7C8EF7D948C740@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <025c01d598ad$2e0f0c80$8a2d2580$@gmail.com>

I've been having a problem with my installation that requires me to run the
KAT500 utility 'As Administrator'.

When I do this, it works.   When I don't, it fails - hangs, actually.

Perhaps this is related?

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, NCDXC Secretary

> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> On Behalf Of Andy Durbin
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 04:55
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 config restore
> 
> If you attempt to use KAT Utility version 1.19.5.30 to restore a saved
> configuration it may hang up when progress bar shows complete (full green
bar).
> Config files can be restored with Utility version 1.16.7.25 which is the
previous
> released version.  1.19.5.30 fixed a problem with writing SWR limits but
seems to
> have broken config restore.
> 
> The utility author has been advised.
> 
> Andy, k3wyc
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From dick.w7zr at gmail.com  Mon Nov 11 11:33:49 2019
From: dick.w7zr at gmail.com (Richard Zalewski)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 09:33:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Thermal problems
In-Reply-To: <CAMY8Yn-aA6fjqupVfXxAjvUozwqCkanFaGvcY4iyMYjKRpnBOQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACYeN9y4NLMX__GngyoWwaKNGjq17v7X_PbEOei_JYr8Vs_5gg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACYeN9xMNjqev+pyMrFfDd+idu3gQ0FLNtrbuPA5FjygAJEF+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMY8Yn9AR0WgZzHSzb9a5m9iwkcBHYQKW0AYEHTaVYAg24RrNA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACYeN9wXzBnCRqiT5wTuhR-JDYNTK-9xYVZj5qx+BfYA_wtqpw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMY8Yn-aA6fjqupVfXxAjvUozwqCkanFaGvcY4iyMYjKRpnBOQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACVQm3=oC+4FAxu1GmvppchE8VnhYaPYiuAq1o11JJcPREx=cQ@mail.gmail.com>

I operated the contest with over 1200 contacts.  I never saw temps over
80c.  I too have a low serial number but have installed all the firmware
updates.  Only on 40m did I hear the fan speed get to a very high speed.  I
was running about 1200w at all times.

Richard
*W7ZR* ex:5C5Z, CN2ZR, K2JSP, W6SBZ, W7KXR, K9ZIJ, W9KNF, W0KDF, W0MQU,
J68ZR, KC6ZR, PJ4/W7ZR, KH2,W7ZR, KH6/W7ZR, V31ZR, VK4AAZ, XE2DV


*Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer*


On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 7:44 AM Fred Massey <fhmassey at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you for the information.  RTTY contests are the acid test of an
> amp....
>
> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 8:35 AM Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:
>
> > It trips off at 105C.
> >
> > It starts warning with a yellow indication at 100c
> >
> > Power reduced to 1kw helped slow the rate of temperature increase but
> > still required a cold room and max fan speed at the beginning to contain
> > it. It never stopped climbing.
> >
> > Jim ab3cv
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 9:32 AM Fred Massey <fhmassey at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> What output power did that reduce too ultimately,  is 105c the design
> >> temp limit?
> >>
> >> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 8:30 AM Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> " I rode the drive power downward as the power increased to stay below
> >>> the
> >>> trip point of 105c."
> >>>
> >>> Should have been "as the temperature increased"
> >>>
> >>> jim ab3cv
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 9:03 AM Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > I participated in the WAE RTTY contest this past weekend and was
> having
> >>> > problems with thermal tripping.
> >>> >
> >>> > I have resonant antennas for 80, 40 and 20m and had SWR between 1:1
> and
> >>> > 1.2:1, power nominally set between 1400-1500w.
> >>> >
> >>> > I found that I couldn't repeatedly CQ without temperature creeping up
> >>> so I
> >>> > paused to around 50% duty cycle to stop that.
> >>> >
> >>> > However when sending QTC which amount to about 200 characters the
> >>> > temperature would rapidly increase and eventually thermal trip.
> >>> >
> >>> > I took several actions to try to compensate:
> >>> >
> >>> > I opened the shack windows and bundled up. Shack then stayed at 60f
> or
> >>> > below.
> >>> > I immediately manually cranked the fan speed to max (5) when started
> to
> >>> > send QTCs.
> >>> > I rode the drive power downward as the power increased to stay below
> >>> the
> >>> > trip point of 105c.
> >>> >
> >>> > Upon taking all these actions I was able to eventually send the QTC
> >>> > packets but it was unnerving and unexpected.
> >>> >
> >>> > This is a low serial number KPA1500 but with latest production
> >>> firmware.
> >>> >
> >>> > What have others seen?
> >>> >
> >>> > 73
> >>> >
> >>> > jim ab3cv
> >>> >
> >>> ______________________________________________________________
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From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Mon Nov 11 11:54:02 2019
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 10:54:02 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Display Color
In-Reply-To: <06CB8624-A2E2-4FCC-964D-83AE8EE5E90E@gmail.com>
References: <1682842797.1459150.1573427817836@mail.yahoo.com>
	<06CB8624-A2E2-4FCC-964D-83AE8EE5E90E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0b9201d598b0$9f5288b0$ddf79a10$@LNAINC.com>

Very nice set up, Dave.

But what really caught my eye is that you have 2 kitties with exactly the same colorings as ours.

Must be a ham thing, only in our case the tiger kitty is 'Da Boss.'

73
Lyn, W?LEN

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2019 5:35 PM
Cc: Elecraft Refl
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Display Color

I use a software called Node Red running on a Raspberry Pi talking to the KPA1500 on the network. This allows me to control and monitor the amp from a web browser. Customizable colors and layout. 

This will also come in handy for those who run their radios remote.
I find I use it more than looking at the amp or using the remote app.

I have a picture of the Node Red layout on my QRZ page.
https://www.qrz.com/db/WO2X

Dave wo2x

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 10, 2019, at 6:18 PM, Chuck Stover via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ? Buy a K4, problem solved. 
> Chuck K4QS
> 
>>    On Sunday, November 10, 2019, 5:16:51 PM EST, Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com> wrote:  
>> 
>> 
>> Is there a way to change the display color to match the K3?  Or, am I stuck
>> with light blue?
> 
> Stuck ? 
> 
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From k9ma at sdellington.us  Mon Nov 11 11:57:43 2019
From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 10:57:43 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K-4 features
In-Reply-To: <35C98606-D6CB-40C9-B934-08F498479CD3@elecraft.com>
References: <CAJC3qyiFp5qWJDTqEVuttiUD202eVaHh4Me=RBNCgFBN4wza4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<A9ABFE46-BC58-45DE-8BA9-3B7BB9DF4566@elecraft.com>
	<A68BB529-C906-4BD5-824A-7759BDB919FD@comcast.net>
	<BF841151-04F9-4B43-B171-005477DB45CE@elecraft.com>
	<4e3e8747-7d84-df4b-4013-99fd7d88ecc2@sdellington.us>
	<35C98606-D6CB-40C9-B934-08F498479CD3@elecraft.com>
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Hi Wayne,

That's the sort of thing I was thinking of. I think Collins did 
something like that back in the 50's. Even if it meant dedicating the 
sub RX to noise detection, it would be worthwhile in high noise 
environments. I've thought of trying to modify the K3 to do something 
like this, but I've never found the K3 NB to be all that effective, even 
when the band was empty.

The above would work in the HDR mode, of course.

I was also wondering if there might be a way to do this with the SDR, 
without tying up the sub RX.

73,
Scott K9MA

On 11/11/2019 10:17, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Hi Scott,
>
> We could trigger the main RX noise blanker from the sub RX, though we haven't tried this yet. I believe this would achieve what you're describing. For example, the sub RX could be tuned to 13.975 while the main is tuned to the 20 meter CW band.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>> On Nov 10, 2019, at 7:12 PM, K9MA <k9ma at sdellington.us> wrote:
>>
>> On 11/10/2019 19:06, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>> The K4, being an SDR, provides access to a different class of wide-band NR and NB algorithms.
>> Some hardware noise blankers are very effective at reducing line noise and other impulse-type noise, provided there are no strong signals within the 15 kHz + NB bandwidth. (My old FT-1000D, for example.) With appropriate firmware, could the K4 NB achieve that kind of performance? Could the strong signal limitation be overcome by having the SDR detect noise in a slightly different frequency range, like just outside a ham band during a contest?
>

-- 
Scott  K9MA

k9ma at sdellington.us


From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Mon Nov 11 12:02:45 2019
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 11:02:45 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 config restore
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB2968BF79137AEDF7C8EF7D948C740@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB2968BF79137AEDF7C8EF7D948C740@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <0b9301d598b1$d73166b0$85943410$@LNAINC.com>

The KAT500 utility was updated a few months ago to specifically correct this
problem (I was the reporter and the guinea pig).

The current version is 1.19.8.5

73
Lyn, W?LEN



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[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Andy Durbin
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 6:55 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 config restore

If you attempt to use KAT Utility version 1.19.5.30 to restore a saved
configuration it may hang up when progress bar shows complete (full green
bar).  Config files can be restored with Utility version 1.16.7.25 which is
the previous released version.  1.19.5.30 fixed a problem with writing SWR
limits but seems to have broken config restore.

The utility author has been advised.

Andy, k3wyc
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From dick at elecraft.com  Mon Nov 11 11:56:13 2019
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 08:56:13 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 config restore
In-Reply-To: <025c01d598ad$2e0f0c80$8a2d2580$@gmail.com>
References: <025c01d598ad$2e0f0c80$8a2d2580$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <473505BC-FA1D-4B8C-813D-11B0514B4C36@elecraft.com>

This config save problem is generally caused by a permissions issue to the configuration file folder. 

You need a folder that a non-admin can create files and write into. The default folder is c:\Users\yourname\Appdata\Roaming\Elecraft\KAT500 configuration. You should be able to create a file in that folder with normal user permissions, without becoming an admin. 

73 de Dick, K6KR

> On Nov 11, 2019, at 08:31, Mike Flowers <mike.flowers at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I've been having a problem with my installation that requires me to run the
> KAT500 utility 'As Administrator'.
> 
> When I do this, it works.   When I don't, it fails - hangs, actually.
> 
> Perhaps this is related?
> 
> - 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, NCDXC Secretary
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
>> On Behalf Of Andy Durbin
>> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 04:55
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 config restore
>> 
>> If you attempt to use KAT Utility version 1.19.5.30 to restore a saved
>> configuration it may hang up when progress bar shows complete (full green
> bar).
>> Config files can be restored with Utility version 1.16.7.25 which is the
> previous
>> released version.  1.19.5.30 fixed a problem with writing SWR limits but
> seems to
>> have broken config restore.
>> 
>> The utility author has been advised.
>> 
>> Andy, k3wyc
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From a.durbin at msn.com  Mon Nov 11 14:18:16 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 19:18:16 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 config restore
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB2968BF79137AEDF7C8EF7D948C740@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB2968BF79137AEDF7C8EF7D948C740@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB2968AD381B089844B0CD809C8C740@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"The KAT500 utility was updated a few months ago to specifically correct this problem"

Thanks.   I updated and the problem is fixed.

73,
Andy, k3wyc


From d_hudson at outlook.com  Mon Nov 11 16:03:34 2019
From: d_hudson at outlook.com (Douglas Hudson)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 21:03:34 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] FS, two KX3 packages
Message-ID: <MWHPR2201MB11184A1A70313A19E36CC4FBEC740@MWHPR2201MB1118.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

I have two KX3s, both with PX3 panadapters, and one with a KXPA-100.  Both are from a non-smoking environment with no children or pets.

System no. 1:

KX3, factory assembled
Automatic antenna tuner
Dual passband filter
MH3 mic
The usual cable package
Owners manual
It is a late model unit with the heavier OEM heat sink.
NOTE; This package was used as a base station.  As a result, I do not have the internal
clock/charger or batteries


PX3 panadapter, factory assembled
Cable package
Owners manual

KXPA-100 amplifier
KXAT100 internal ATU option, factory installed
Cable package
Owners manual

Asking $2,400


System no. 2:

KX3, factory assembled
Automatic antenna tuner
Dual passband filter
MH3 mic
KXPD3 keyer paddle
Clock/charger
Owners manual
Cable package
Eneloop NiMH batteries
Windcamp HD heat sink, plexiglass cover, end plates, and canvas bag

PX3 panadapter, factory assembled
Cable package
Owners manual
Windcamp end plates, plexiglass cover, and canvas bag

Asking $1,600

Why am I selling?  I have chronic, often severe pain which has taken the joy out of most everything in life.  I have not been on the air in the last two years and this gear needs a new home.  I fired up package number
two last night to check into the 40 meter CW net but QSB and a high noise level made for no joy in Mudville.  Both systems are in great condition and I hate to let them go but, well, it is time.

Doug, K7CUU
Bremerton, WA








From jim at jtmiller.com  Mon Nov 11 19:32:50 2019
From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim AB3CV)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 17:32:50 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Thermal problems
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9y4NLMX__GngyoWwaKNGjq17v7X_PbEOei_JYr8Vs_5gg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACYeN9y4NLMX__GngyoWwaKNGjq17v7X_PbEOei_JYr8Vs_5gg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1573518770780-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Unit is now in transit to Elecraft for repairs.

Jim ab3cv



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From jtmiller47 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 11 19:34:36 2019
From: jtmiller47 at gmail.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 19:34:36 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Thermal problems
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9y4NLMX__GngyoWwaKNGjq17v7X_PbEOei_JYr8Vs_5gg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACYeN9y4NLMX__GngyoWwaKNGjq17v7X_PbEOei_JYr8Vs_5gg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <32D870DF-8A79-41D2-A293-421D4CB06E63@gmail.com>

Unit is now in transit to Elecraft for repair. 

Jim ab3cv 

> On Nov 11, 2019, at 9:03 AM, Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:
> 

?
I participated in the WAE RTTY contest this past weekend and was having problems with thermal tripping.

I have resonant antennas for 80, 40 and 20m and had SWR between 1:1 and 1.2:1, power nominally set between 1400-1500w.

I found that I couldn't repeatedly CQ without temperature creeping up so I paused to around 50% duty cycle to stop that.

However when sending QTC which amount to about 200 characters the temperature would rapidly increase and eventually thermal trip.

I took several actions to try to compensate:

I opened the shack windows and bundled up. Shack then stayed at 60f or below.
I immediately manually cranked the fan speed to max (5) when started to send QTCs.
I rode the drive power downward as the power increased to stay below the trip point of 105c.

Upon taking all these actions I was able to eventually send the QTC packets but it was unnerving and unexpected.

This is a low serial number KPA1500 but with latest production firmware.

What have others seen?

73

jim ab3cv

From dick at elecraft.com  Tue Nov 12 04:16:05 2019
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 01:16:05 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Beta test firmware version 02.38 is available
Message-ID: <400FBF81-0F36-4621-8F13-5A844A05EA70@elecraft.com>



https://elecraft.com/pages/firmware-software

Follow the links for K-Line Firmware and Software, then KPA1500.  A change summary and beta installation instructions are near the bottom of the page.


73 de Dick, K6KR

From w5sv.dave at gmail.com  Tue Nov 12 04:27:49 2019
From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 03:27:49 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Station for sale
Message-ID: <15169FC3-1164-4231-8F15-7F7F2DF5D8EF@gmail.com>

Due to an upcoming move, I am putting my complete ham station for sale (will reconstruct another one when I am settled into the new QTH, wherever and whenever that ends up being).

Antenna system: 
70 ft. Self supporting aluminum tower, 3 element quad covering 20, 17, 15, 12, 10 and 6m (4 elements on 6), dipoles (bazooka type) for 75/80 and 160M, and a 160? folded dipole (for covering 60, 40, and 30 m)  and about 400? hardline. Tower and antennas will require takedown and disassembly.

Station:
Elecraft K-line consisting of loaded K3 (upgraded to near K3S, with dual receivers, 2.8, 2.1 and 400 Hz filters, DVR, 2M transverter built in, P3 (has VGA output and power meter accessories), KPA-500, KAT-500, Station Master, remote coax switch?

All is operational and available for evaluation.

I am hoping to net about $6,000 for it all; $5000 for the station. While I am open to splitting it up, I would prefer a package deal, especially for the Elecraft stuff (yes, I have a K4 ordered)?

73 de W5SV - Dave





From ik6qon at gmail.com  Tue Nov 12 06:32:21 2019
From: ik6qon at gmail.com (Ik6qon)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 04:32:21 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 RX issues
Message-ID: <1573558341164-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi guy,
I have a problem with my Elecraft K3 with the KRX3A. the radio has been deaf
compared with my other K3. You can find two short videos. The fist the old
one, same station and same antenna in the first the RST is 9+20 with the
second radio same conditions the RTS is 5!!
Anyone can help me?
this is the first radio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-YIhncxOpM
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-YIhncxOpM>  
this is the second radio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEVQREYfvEg
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEVQREYfvEg>  



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From hs0zed at gmail.com  Tue Nov 12 07:48:41 2019
From: hs0zed at gmail.com (Martin Sole)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 19:48:41 +0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 died again
Message-ID: <c611d468-063a-ce69-69ad-a1abac58c898@gmail.com>

Hi,

My K3 is quite an early unit, S/N 298. Recently upgraded with new synths 
KRX3A and KXV3, I also have a P3 connected to the radio. A while back it 
failed with a shorted smd capacitor on the K3REF board causing loss of 
TX bias voltage. Today it has lost both receive and transmit and I am 
thinking it might be from the same module. Here's the situation.

Rig powers on and appears to work normally except soft noise from the 
speaker, no band noise to speak of and no signals. P3 shows plenty of 
signals, S9 plus on FT8 freqs but nothing heard other than soft noise. 
Tuning works as signals move in the band scope. No sub receiver signals 
either and no TX output. Have not checked transverter output but expect 
to find nothing there.

P3 take off at IF output so everything is clearly working up to there. 
DSP seems to be working as width and shift cause the expected changes in 
audio. S meter reads dead zero, no movement.

About the only common point I can see is the K3REF board so it would 
appear a second failure on this module. Since this is where I had to do 
earlier work I wouldn't put it past being a user inflicted fault, but 
that repair was a month or more ago.

Anyone care to have a guess or share thoughts?

Martin, HS0ZED


From marklgoldberg at gmail.com  Tue Nov 12 10:38:10 2019
From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 08:38:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Station for sale
In-Reply-To: <15169FC3-1164-4231-8F15-7F7F2DF5D8EF@gmail.com>
References: <15169FC3-1164-4231-8F15-7F7F2DF5D8EF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKn+a3sGKjNObnPvT9tFkFKvyk8fSyhJuFFGYrLXj9q2uO92xA@mail.gmail.com>

Although I expect you are nowhere near me, where is the tower located? What
rotor? Those will probably help sell it, as transportation for a tower and
antenna system that big is an issue.

73,

Mark
W7MLG


On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 2:33 AM David F. Reed <w5sv.dave at gmail.com> wrote:

> Due to an upcoming move, I am putting my complete ham station for sale
> (will reconstruct another one when I am settled into the new QTH, wherever
> and whenever that ends up being).
>
> Antenna system:
> 70 ft. Self supporting aluminum tower, 3 element quad covering 20, 17, 15,
> 12, 10 and 6m (4 elements on 6), dipoles (bazooka type) for 75/80 and 160M,
> and a 160? folded dipole (for covering 60, 40, and 30 m)  and about 400?
> hardline. Tower and antennas will require takedown and disassembly.
>

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Nov 12 10:47:16 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 10:47:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 died again
In-Reply-To: <c611d468-063a-ce69-69ad-a1abac58c898@gmail.com>
References: <c611d468-063a-ce69-69ad-a1abac58c898@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2b06c1aa-51ab-d626-99ee-ff669c2bc983@embarqmail.com>

Martin,

I recommend you email support at elecraft.com because the support folks 
have handy access to the K3 techs if they are not able to diagnose the 
problem themselves, and can best assist you with the analysis.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/12/2019 7:48 AM, Martin Sole wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> My K3 is quite an early unit, S/N 298. Recently upgraded with new synths 
> KRX3A and KXV3, I also have a P3 connected to the radio. A while back it 
> failed with a shorted smd capacitor on the K3REF board causing loss of 
> TX bias voltage. Today it has lost both receive and transmit and I am 
> thinking it might be from the same module. Here's the situation.
> 
> Rig powers on and appears to work normally except soft noise from the 
> speaker, no band noise to speak of and no signals. P3 shows plenty of 
> signals, S9 plus on FT8 freqs but nothing heard other than soft noise. 
> Tuning works as signals move in the band scope. No sub receiver signals 
> either and no TX output. Have not checked transverter output but expect 
> to find nothing there.
> 
> P3 take off at IF output so everything is clearly working up to there. 
> DSP seems to be working as width and shift cause the expected changes in 
> audio. S meter reads dead zero, no movement.
> 
> About the only common point I can see is the K3REF board so it would 
> appear a second failure on this module. Since this is where I had to do 
> earlier work I wouldn't put it past being a user inflicted fault, but 
> that repair was a month or more ago.
> 
> Anyone care to have a guess or share thoughts?
> 
> Martin, HS0ZED
> 
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From thos at fonebone.net  Mon Nov 11 18:08:21 2019
From: thos at fonebone.net (Tom Redfern)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 15:08:21 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Found this super cheap battery box for KX QRP radio
Message-ID: <71ff607c-ef62-a956-1eeb-b65eb80b1a89@fonebone.net>


I thought someone here might be interested in this.? It's a very handy
battery pack? for a KX? QRP radio...

I just found one? in a thrift store for 99 cents.? I like it and looked
it up on the Web.? Mine required the touch of vinegar to clean a couple
of contacts.

Mine is the 10 battery model, but I see they also make it in 8 which
might be the way if you are using Alkaline.

10 Eneloops and you have a max of 14.5v and even the barrel connector
seems to be just right as is.

Quality is typical Chinese so you'll want rubber bands and or tape
around it, and did I mention it's very inexpensive?? At this price, a
guy could order two or three.

it might doubles as an expendable battery protector too.? If you drop
it, it'll probably shatter and save your Eneloops? from some of the impact.

https://www.healthybabieshappymoms.com/replacement-parts/medela-10-count-battery-pack-15v

-- Tom

W7EZT.


From lightdazzled at gmail.com  Tue Nov 12 11:02:11 2019
From: lightdazzled at gmail.com (Chip Stratton)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 11:02:11 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Found this super cheap battery box for KX QRP radio
In-Reply-To: <71ff607c-ef62-a956-1eeb-b65eb80b1a89@fonebone.net>
References: <71ff607c-ef62-a956-1eeb-b65eb80b1a89@fonebone.net>
Message-ID: <CAPF-ba1bkUW7sDbvE8+u4z83GG7NjGZqUqmsYxd3TP2QJwTZgw@mail.gmail.com>

Most AA battery holders, because they are not designed for high current
draw, have relatively high resistance, and you see a lot of voltage sage
while transmitting. Elecraft has made an effort with their internal AA cell
holder in the KX3 to mitigate this problem, but every external multicell AA
holder I have tried has suffered from high resistance and disappointing
voltage sag during transmit. If this one is different, that would be great,
but I wouldn't count on it.

Chip
AE5KA

On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 10:50 AM Tom Redfern <thos at fonebone.net> wrote:

>
> I thought someone here might be interested in this.  It's a very handy
> battery pack  for a KX  QRP radio...
>
> I just found one  in a thrift store for 99 cents.  I like it and looked
> it up on the Web.  Mine required the touch of vinegar to clean a couple
> of contacts.
>
> Mine is the 10 battery model, but I see they also make it in 8 which
> might be the way if you are using Alkaline.
>
> 10 Eneloops and you have a max of 14.5v and even the barrel connector
> seems to be just right as is.
>
> Quality is typical Chinese so you'll want rubber bands and or tape
> around it, and did I mention it's very inexpensive?  At this price, a
> guy could order two or three.
>
> it might doubles as an expendable battery protector too.  If you drop
> it, it'll probably shatter and save your Eneloops  from some of the impact.
>
>
> https://www.healthybabieshappymoms.com/replacement-parts/medela-10-count-battery-pack-15v
>
> -- Tom
>
> W7EZT.
>
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From w5sv.dave at gmail.com  Tue Nov 12 11:19:34 2019
From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 10:19:34 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Station for sale
In-Reply-To: <CAKn+a3sGKjNObnPvT9tFkFKvyk8fSyhJuFFGYrLXj9q2uO92xA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <15169FC3-1164-4231-8F15-7F7F2DF5D8EF@gmail.com>
	<CAKn+a3sGKjNObnPvT9tFkFKvyk8fSyhJuFFGYrLXj9q2uO92xA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5D8AB7A8-10D1-4075-9086-302F3F30B70A@gmail.com>

Thanks for asking; near Austin TXm rotor is Hy0Gain TailTwister?

David F. Reed


> On Nov 12, 2019, at 09:38, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Although I expect you are nowhere near me, where is the tower located? What rotor? Those will probably help sell it, as transportation for a tower and antenna system that big is an issue.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Mark
> W7MLG
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 2:33 AM David F. Reed <w5sv.dave at gmail.com <mailto:w5sv.dave at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Due to an upcoming move, I am putting my complete ham station for sale (will reconstruct another one when I am settled into the new QTH, wherever and whenever that ends up being).
> 
> Antenna system: 
> 70 ft. Self supporting aluminum tower, 3 element quad covering 20, 17, 15, 12, 10 and 6m (4 elements on 6), dipoles (bazooka type) for 75/80 and 160M, and a 160? folded dipole (for covering 60, 40, and 30 m)  and about 400? hardline. Tower and antennas will require takedown and disassembly.


From mike at ki8r.com  Tue Nov 12 11:31:09 2019
From: mike at ki8r.com (Michael Murphy)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 11:31:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Found this super cheap battery box for KX QRP radio
In-Reply-To: <71ff607c-ef62-a956-1eeb-b65eb80b1a89@fonebone.net>
References: <71ff607c-ef62-a956-1eeb-b65eb80b1a89@fonebone.net>
Message-ID: <CA+iQqtjwxKEGN91RL6gWHZuPX1UsTthsHFB1gQ++Kx2DvvCM-A@mail.gmail.com>

I did a Google search and found it for $14.99 with free shipping:

https://www.nickisdiapers.com/medela-pump-in-style-batterypack.html

On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 10:50 AM Tom Redfern <thos at fonebone.net> wrote:

>
> I thought someone here might be interested in this.  It's a very handy
> battery pack  for a KX  QRP radio...
>
> I just found one  in a thrift store for 99 cents.  I like it and looked
> it up on the Web.  Mine required the touch of vinegar to clean a couple
> of contacts.
>
> Mine is the 10 battery model, but I see they also make it in 8 which
> might be the way if you are using Alkaline.
>
> 10 Eneloops and you have a max of 14.5v and even the barrel connector
> seems to be just right as is.
>
> Quality is typical Chinese so you'll want rubber bands and or tape
> around it, and did I mention it's very inexpensive?  At this price, a
> guy could order two or three.
>
> it might doubles as an expendable battery protector too.  If you drop
> it, it'll probably shatter and save your Eneloops  from some of the impact.
>
>
> https://www.healthybabieshappymoms.com/replacement-parts/medela-10-count-battery-pack-15v
>
> -- Tom
>
> W7EZT.
>
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From jrf1959 at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 12 12:33:40 2019
From: jrf1959 at earthlink.net (Jim KO5V)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 10:33:40 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] Teat
Message-ID: <1407379779.3152.1573580021569@wamui-agami.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Testing new email address.

From jrf1959 at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 12 12:37:12 2019
From: jrf1959 at earthlink.net (Jim KO5V)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 10:37:12 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] I meant "test" as the subject of my last email...
Message-ID: <1830760656.3188.1573580232275@wamui-agami.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Sorry.

From jrf1959 at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 12 12:39:32 2019
From: jrf1959 at earthlink.net (Jim KO5V)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 10:39:32 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2: KPA100 Trouble
Message-ID: <1260954598.3211.1573580373081@wamui-agami.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Good Morning,

My K2 Twins have been working great for the past 11 months. I usually run about 90-95W.

This morning when I turned on the rig the room was probably about 55F. I immediately worked a loud DX station. The second QSO a few minutes later was going just fine, but after about a minute, I received a brief "Hi Refl" error, followed by "Hot PA" - which wouldn't go away until I pressed a button (menu, I think). There is no power output. The fan runs constantly on "Hi", and will not shut off. Resetting the power by turning off the K2 and the power supply has no effect.

When I attempt to tune @20W, I will get the same error message (sometimes "Hot PA" only), or the K2's display either shows "20" and nothing else, or "20" plus a brief SWR reading. The KAT100 makes no noise, and it's tuning lights are either erratic, or off. Sometimes it comes out of "Tune" after a few seconds, sometimes I have to press the button a second time.

I turned the power down to ~8W, and the KAT100 tunes the antenna normally (@2w). I attached my 61ohm dummy load, and behaviors at both power levels are the same as with the antenna.

I opened up the KAT100, and found the final transistor mounting screws a bit loose (~1/8 of a turn - I had re-tightened them several months ago). I checked the diodes, and they were all OK. 

I thought that maybe the loose screws might be the trouble, but there was no change.

I have seen references to cold temps causing trouble with the logic, but 55F doesn't seem that cold - or does it?

I thought I would ask for some advice before I start troubleshooting. I think the K2, and KAT100 are fine. 

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

73, Jim KO5V

From dave at nk7z.net  Tue Nov 12 13:10:03 2019
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 10:10:03 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Teat
In-Reply-To: <1407379779.3152.1573580021569@wamui-agami.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <1407379779.3152.1573580021569@wamui-agami.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <56d7949e-9f58-5b61-8e26-3cc421a2807a@nk7z.net>

That is a funny typo...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 11/12/19 9:33 AM, Jim KO5V wrote:
> Testing new email address.
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From n8sbe at arrl.net  Tue Nov 12 13:11:11 2019
From: n8sbe at arrl.net (Dave New, N8SBE)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 11:11:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] AE5X: 3D printed desktop rack for KX3/PX3
Message-ID: <20191112111111.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.c26df2d8ad.wbe@email09.godaddy.com>


From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Tue Nov 12 13:52:44 2019
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (tony.kaz at verizon.net)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 13:52:44 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Teat
In-Reply-To: <56d7949e-9f58-5b61-8e26-3cc421a2807a@nk7z.net>
References: <1407379779.3152.1573580021569@wamui-agami.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<56d7949e-9f58-5b61-8e26-3cc421a2807a@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <01f701d5998a$5eca9910$1c5fcb30$@verizon.net>

Was it a typo? (said in the voice of Jeff Goldblum)

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Dave Cole
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 1:10 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Teat

That is a funny typo...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 11/12/19 9:33 AM, Jim KO5V wrote:
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From n8sbe at arrl.net  Tue Nov 12 13:56:13 2019
From: n8sbe at arrl.net (Dave New, N8SBE)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 11:56:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] AE5X: 3D printed desktop rack for KX3/PX3
Message-ID: <20191112115613.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.158f1d56f5.wbe@email09.godaddy.com>

Ran across this on AE5X's blog:


https://ae5x.blogspot.com/2019/11/3d-printed-desktop-rack-for-kx3px3.html


Looks kind of useful for those that have both the KX3 and PX3.  You can
print your own, or Robert K5TD will print them for you for a fee.


73,


-- Dave, N8SBE

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Nov 12 14:03:29 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 14:03:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2: KPA100 Trouble
In-Reply-To: <1260954598.3211.1573580373081@wamui-agami.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <1260954598.3211.1573580373081@wamui-agami.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <89700a35-c5a5-c7b8-1806-5d8c28d38b29@embarqmail.com>

Jim,

Did you check to see where CAL TPA is set in the menu?  Set it as 
indicated in the KPA100 manual.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/12/2019 12:39 PM, Jim KO5V wrote:
> Good Morning,
> 
> My K2 Twins have been working great for the past 11 months. I usually run about 90-95W.
> 
> This morning when I turned on the rig the room was probably about 55F. I immediately worked a loud DX station. The second QSO a few minutes later was going just fine, but after about a minute, I received a brief "Hi Refl" error, followed by "Hot PA" - which wouldn't go away until I pressed a button (menu, I think). There is no power output. The fan runs constantly on "Hi", and will not shut off. Resetting the power by turning off the K2 and the power supply has no effect.

From bill at wjschmidt.com  Tue Nov 12 14:27:44 2019
From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 13:27:44 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 power supply gone south
Message-ID: <02ba01d5998f$42e6c250$c8b446f0$@wjschmidt.com>

For the record, the group that was renting my place on J6 for the contest a
week and a half ago hard faulted my KPA1500 power supply just 4 hours before
the contest started.  While the loss of the amp was concerning to me, they
actually placed better in the low power category.  I've now got to haul it
back to the states to get it fixed and return before the next group comes in
during January.

 

 

Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ 

 

Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch - K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

 

Owner - Operator

Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

 

 


From jrf1959 at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 12 14:28:17 2019
From: jrf1959 at earthlink.net (Jim KO5V)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 14:28:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2: KPA100 Trouble
Message-ID: <1212419554.3869.1573586897736@wamui-agami.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi again Don,

I just finished that. I found the setting to be 143C. something must be bad; possibly R6 or the temp sensor? 

So, I set it to the ambient temp (in C), and checked the current limit setting - it was correct at 3.50A. I toggled the power, and it's now working. Power out is OK, and no error messages. I just talked to a guy on OR and he said it sounds good, but that will be all until I understand what is happening.

It was cold this morning, so maybe something was stressed as it warmed up (?).

I don't have a warm and fuzzy felling about this. That's a big, sudden error in calibration.

Thank you. 73, Jim KO5V

-----Original Message-----
>From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
>Sent: Nov 12, 2019 12:03 PM
>To: Jim KO5V <jrf1959 at earthlink.net>, elecraft list <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2: KPA100 Trouble
>
>Jim,
>
>Did you check to see where CAL TPA is set in the menu?  Set it as 
>indicated in the KPA100 manual.
>
>73,
>Don W3FPR
>
>On 11/12/2019 12:39 PM, Jim KO5V wrote:
>> Good Morning,
>> 
>> My K2 Twins have been working great for the past 11 months. I usually run about 90-95W.
>> 
>> This morning when I turned on the rig the room was probably about 55F. I immediately worked a loud DX station. The second QSO a few minutes later was going just fine, but after about a minute, I received a brief "Hi Refl" error, followed by "Hot PA" - which wouldn't go away until I pressed a button (menu, I think). There is no power output. The fan runs constantly on "Hi", and will not shut off. Resetting the power by turning off the K2 and the power supply has no effect.

From d_hudson at outlook.com  Tue Nov 12 14:31:58 2019
From: d_hudson at outlook.com (Douglas Hudson)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 19:31:58 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] REVISED  FS, two KX3 packages
Message-ID: <MWHPR2201MB11189AC380F59E513BF25D69EC770@MWHPR2201MB1118.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

I have to get real with the prices.  I also forgot to include the Powerwerx power supply, A $119 item.  See revision below.



I have two KX3s, both with PX3 panadapters, and one with a KXPA-100.  Both are from a non-smoking environment with no children or pets.

System no. 1:

KX3, factory assembled
Automatic antenna tuner
Dual passband filter
MH3 mic
The usual cable package
Owners manual
It is a late model unit with the heavier OEM heat sink.
NOTE; This package was used as a base station.  As a result, I do not have the internal clock/charger or batteries


PX3 panadapter, factory assembled
Cable package
Owners manual

KXPA-100 amplifier
KXAT100 internal ATU option, factory installed Cable package Owners manual

I forgot to include a Powerwerx SS30DV power supply to system 1.

Asking $2,300


System no. 2:

KX3, factory assembled
Automatic antenna tuner
Dual passband filter
MH3 mic
KXPD3 keyer paddle
Clock/charger
Owners manual
Cable package
Eneloop NiMH batteries
Windcamp HD heat sink, plexiglass cover, end plates, and canvas bag

PX3 panadapter, factory assembled
Cable package
Owners manual
Windcamp end plates, plexiglass cover, and canvas bag

Asking $1,500

Why am I selling?  I have chronic, often severe pain which has taken the joy out of most everything in life.  I have not been on the air in the last two years and this gear needs a new home.  I fired up package number two last night to check into the 40 meter CW net but QSB and a high noise level made for no joy in Mudville.  Both systems are in great condition and I hate to let them go but, well, it is time.

Doug, K7CUU
Bremerton, WA







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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Nov 12 14:41:14 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 14:41:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2: KPA100 Trouble
In-Reply-To: <1212419554.3869.1573586897736@wamui-agami.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <1212419554.3869.1573586897736@wamui-agami.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <c8d2cbbf-754b-198a-f596-1b3cb914909b@embarqmail.com>

Jim,

Likely nothing wrong.? If the K2 is ever powered when that menu 
parameter (which follows the heatsink temperature) is set to a low 
value, the parameter will try to go below 0 degC - but the math cannot 
handle negative values, so it instead goes to a high value.

It is wise to check the CAL TPA parameter periodically if one has the 
KPA100.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/12/2019 2:28 PM, Jim KO5V wrote:
> Hi again Don,
>
> I just finished that. I found the setting to be 143C. something must be bad; possibly R6 or the temp sensor?
>
>


From jrf1959 at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 12 14:48:07 2019
From: jrf1959 at earthlink.net (Jim KO5V)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 12:48:07 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2: KPA100 Trouble
Message-ID: <568363818.4014.1573588087808@wamui-agami.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Great, I'll take that answer!

It seems to be working just fine, so now I'll just have to remember to check that calibration more frequently.

Thanks again, Don!

73, Jim KO5V


-----Original Message-----
>From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
>Sent: Nov 12, 2019 12:41 PM
>To: Jim KO5V <jrf1959 at earthlink.net>, elecraft list <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2: KPA100 Trouble
>
>Jim,
>
>Likely nothing wrong.? If the K2 is ever powered when that menu 
>parameter (which follows the heatsink temperature) is set to a low 
>value, the parameter will try to go below 0 degC - but the math cannot 
>handle negative values, so it instead goes to a high value.
>
>It is wise to check the CAL TPA parameter periodically if one has the 
>KPA100.
>
>73,
>Don W3FPR
>
>On 11/12/2019 2:28 PM, Jim KO5V wrote:
>> Hi again Don,
>>
>> I just finished that. I found the setting to be 143C. something must be bad; possibly R6 or the temp sensor?
>>
>>
>

From jsdanehy at gmail.com  Tue Nov 12 14:50:55 2019
From: jsdanehy at gmail.com (Jim Danehy)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 14:50:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange development with my K3
Message-ID: <7A2C7181-4313-4B79-A89E-FD3A22129CB9@gmail.com>

I recently moved my K3, KPA 500 and KAT 500 to a new place in my home. It was working perfectly before the move. 
I hooked everything back up. All cables properly attached.

Now on 14.025 I get a tone every 7 seconds. Just a beep. It probably is 900 hertz. It comes like clockwork. It only does that on 14.025. It is a single shirt burst,
Now when cycling through the bands using the KPA buttons it avoids 14 MHz.

I am looking for an explanation and assistance on how to correct the unwanted short burst

73
W9VNE 


Sent from my iPhone

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Nov 12 15:37:09 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 14:37:09 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange development with my K3
In-Reply-To: <7A2C7181-4313-4B79-A89E-FD3A22129CB9@gmail.com>
References: <7A2C7181-4313-4B79-A89E-FD3A22129CB9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <92e7b98d-90da-a09e-d1c0-e433ced4fc54@blomand.net>

Go to the? Config Menu and check BND MAP settings.?? This says you have 
blocked or mapped 14.0 out.?? See page 58 of the manual.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 11/12/2019 1:50 PM, Jim Danehy wrote:
> I recently moved my K3, KPA 500 and KAT 500 to a new place in my home. It was working perfectly before the move.
> I hooked everything back up. All cables properly attached.
>
> Now on 14.025 I get a tone every 7 seconds. Just a beep. It probably is 900 hertz. It comes like clockwork. It only does that on 14.025. It is a single shirt burst,
> Now when cycling through the bands using the KPA buttons it avoids 14 MHz.
>
> I am looking for an explanation and assistance on how to correct the unwanted short burst
>
> 73
> W9VNE
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Nov 12 15:49:35 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 14:49:35 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange development with my K3
In-Reply-To: <92e7b98d-90da-a09e-d1c0-e433ced4fc54@blomand.net>
References: <7A2C7181-4313-4B79-A89E-FD3A22129CB9@gmail.com>
	<92e7b98d-90da-a09e-d1c0-e433ced4fc54@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <bfb400a1-83fd-cc02-5568-964776d522dd@blomand.net>

As to the beep every 7 seconds, I see that on my P3.? It is a tuneable 
signal in CW mode, however it does not appear when the antenna is 
disconnected from the radio.?? Therefore, it would seem to be coming in 
on the antenna.??? One of those UFO's, space aliens, or other one eyed 
monsters.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 11/12/2019 2:37 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Go to the? Config Menu and check BND MAP settings.?? This says you 
> have blocked or mapped 14.0 out.?? See page 58 of the manual.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 11/12/2019 1:50 PM, Jim Danehy wrote:
>> I recently moved my K3, KPA 500 and KAT 500 to a new place in my 
>> home. It was working perfectly before the move.
>> I hooked everything back up. All cables properly attached.
>>
>> Now on 14.025 I get a tone every 7 seconds. Just a beep. It probably 
>> is 900 hertz. It comes like clockwork. It only does that on 14.025. 
>> It is a single shirt burst,
>> Now when cycling through the bands using the KPA buttons it avoids 14 
>> MHz.
>>
>> I am looking for an explanation and assistance on how to correct the 
>> unwanted short burst
>>
>> 73
>> W9VNE
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Tue Nov 12 16:16:36 2019
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 12:16:36 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100
Message-ID: <201911122116.xACLGew3016810@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>

Quick question.  I have the KXAT100 installed which provides two 
antenna ports.  It switches between fine, but I note that it defaults 
back to ANT1 when amp power is shut off on front panel.

I have a 80/40m invert-V attached to ANT1 and a SP4T relay attached 
to ANT2.  The relay permits choosing my triband yagi or two different 
6m yagis, fourth port NC.

There are times I would like to monitor in Rx one of the ANT2 
antennas but have to have amp powered ON to do that.  Is this 
normal?  No problem monitoring 40 or 80m but inconvenient that I have 
to have the amp turned on for other bands.

Yes, I could just use ANT1 to the SP4T but saving  tuning info is 
nice with the two ports.  Invert-V is run in bypass while other bands in MAN.

73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 


From kzembower at verizon.net  Tue Nov 12 16:25:54 2019
From: kzembower at verizon.net (Kevin Zembower)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 16:25:54 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Batch programming with KX3 Utility program?
References: <e732e66c-e72d-fb11-33dc-224f34ea23db.ref@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <e732e66c-e72d-fb11-33dc-224f34ea23db@verizon.net>

Hello,

My club is running a KX-3 with a Windows (7? something old and at end of 
life) workstation. I've installed the KX-3 Utility program and have used 
it successfully to program the radio and save the configuration.

I recently wrote about using different headsets in place of the MH-3 
mic. I'm going to test the suggestions and advice this Thursday when I 
go to the club. However, if I'm successful, it looks like there might be 
a half-dozen or more configuration changes to be made to switch between 
different headsets or back to the MH-3 mic.

I was hoping for a way to batch program all the changes into a 
configuration file, that could be uploaded to the radio from the command 
line.  I'm envisioning an icon on the desktop that could be 
double-clicked to run the batch job. Individual operators could also 
have their own configuration files, with their macros and CW messages 
(maybe even per contest) in addition to their headset configuration.

I'm not sure that the KX-3 Utility can do this, but it would seem to be 
in its purview. I was hoping it could be invoked from the command line 
with various options that would upload a specific configuration file. 
However, I see no references to command line switches. In addition, I 
understand that it doesn't save in it's configuration file things like 
CW messages.

And, if the configuration file was in plain English, and could be edited 
with a text editor, that would be all the better. This is something else 
I'll check at the club this week.

I know that the configuration can be restored with the KX-3 Utility, but 
I was hoping to streamline it even more.

Can anything I'm envisioning be done with today's tools? If not, would 
anyone else think this would be a useful enhancement to the KX-3 Utility 
program?

Thanks for your advice and help.

-Kevin
KC3KZ

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Nov 12 16:46:28 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 16:46:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100
In-Reply-To: <201911122116.xACLGew3016810@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
References: <201911122116.xACLGew3016810@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <a8495ebb-c2ea-7fdc-c5b9-63dfc78697fa@embarqmail.com>

Ed,

The relays in the KXAT100 are not latching types, and the NC contact of 
the antenna selection relay defaults to ANT1.

I can see a potential solution to your problem since you have 1 port of 
the external SP4T relay not connected - put that relay on ANT1 and the 
80/40 antenna on the unused relay connector.  That will give access to 
all 4 antennas with power off the KXPA100/KXAT100.  Put a dummy load on 
ANT2 "just in case" of a 'fumble-fingered event'.

Alternately, swap the use of ANT1 and ANT2, so with power off, you can 
access the beams - only when you want to monitor 80/40 do you need to 
power the KXPA100/KXAT100.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/12/2019 4:16 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
> Quick question.? I have the KXAT100 installed which provides two antenna 
> ports.? It switches between fine, but I note that it defaults back to 
> ANT1 when amp power is shut off on front panel.
> 
> I have a 80/40m invert-V attached to ANT1 and a SP4T relay attached to 
> ANT2.? The relay permits choosing my triband yagi or two different 6m 
> yagis, fourth port NC.
> 

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Nov 12 17:04:22 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 17:04:22 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Batch programming with KX3 Utility program?
In-Reply-To: <e732e66c-e72d-fb11-33dc-224f34ea23db@verizon.net>
References: <e732e66c-e72d-fb11-33dc-224f34ea23db.ref@verizon.net>
	<e732e66c-e72d-fb11-33dc-224f34ea23db@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <05c71845-67aa-72c5-8344-65c5949b91da@embarqmail.com>

Kevin,

I don't think you can do that with a KX3 Utility configuration file.
But you should be able to do it with Macros - look at the commands in 
the K3/KX3 Programmer's reference.

An advantage of using Macros, is that they are stored in the KX3 and not 
in a computer file, so no worry about the OS running on the computer.

A side comment -- Why are many inserting hyphens in Elecraft model 
designations?  It is KX3 (not KX-3), K3 (not K-3), K3S (not K-3S), etc.
There are only 2 exceptions to this - the Elecraft N-Gen and K-Pod.
Look at the Elecraft products - no hyphens.  Leave the hyphens to other 
manufacturers who change the number after the hyphen to designate an 
"upgraded" version that you can only obtain by buying the new model.
The Elecraft KX3 is not an upgraded KX2, it is an entirely separate radio.

END RANT

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/12/2019 4:25 PM, Kevin Zembower via Elecraft wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> My club is running a KX-3 with a Windows (7? something old and at end of 
> life) workstation. I've installed the KX-3 Utility program and have used 
> it successfully to program the radio and save the configuration.
> 
> I recently wrote about using different headsets in place of the MH-3 
> mic. I'm going to test the suggestions and advice this Thursday when I 
> go to the club. However, if I'm successful, it looks like there might be 
> a half-dozen or more configuration changes to be made to switch between 
> different headsets or back to the MH-3 mic.
> 

From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Tue Nov 12 17:11:39 2019
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 16:11:39 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange development with my K3
In-Reply-To: <7A2C7181-4313-4B79-A89E-FD3A22129CB9@gmail.com>
References: <7A2C7181-4313-4B79-A89E-FD3A22129CB9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0f9801d599a6$285d1f30$79175d90$@LNAINC.com>

Jim -

I operate in a shack full of computers and several LED monitors.  I have a
couple of screens that produce mysterious tones like that, some worse than
others, on various bands.

What are you near, in that room, that was not an issue in your prior
location?  Something either physically close, or possibly just on the same
circuit.  LEDs of any type are always suspect.

Keep digging, you'll find it.

73
Lyn, W?LEN

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Danehy
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 1:51 PM
To: Elecraft Mailing List
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange development with my K3

I recently moved my K3, KPA 500 and KAT 500 to a new place in my home. It
was working perfectly before the move. 
I hooked everything back up. All cables properly attached.

Now on 14.025 I get a tone every 7 seconds. Just a beep. It probably is 900
hertz. It comes like clockwork. It only does that on 14.025. It is a single
shirt burst,
Now when cycling through the bands using the KPA buttons it avoids 14 MHz.

I am looking for an explanation and assistance on how to correct the
unwanted short burst

73
W9VNE 


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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Nov 12 17:20:01 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 17:20:01 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: RE:  Batch programming with KX3 Utility program?
In-Reply-To: <000301d599a5$e7f1ba50$b7d52ef0$@elecraft.com>
References: <000301d599a5$e7f1ba50$b7d52ef0$@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1f1b1b40-13d3-1eef-d833-2f8c3ea390c6@embarqmail.com>

I have been corrected by the "Macro Expert".
Still, with the KX3 there are 3 Macros that can be stored in the KX3.
Just make certain you use those 3 if you want to be computer independent.

73,
Don W3FPR

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	RE: [Elecraft] Batch programming with KX3 Utility program?
Date: 	Tue, 12 Nov 2019 14:09:51 -0800
From: 	Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com>
Organization: 	Elecraft
To: 	donwilh at embarqmail.com



Macros are stored on the PC, in the Windows registry. The K3 can store up
to 8 (of the 32 possible) of these macros internally, the KX3 can store 3
macros, and the KX2 stores no command macros.

73 de Dick, K6KR


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 14:04
To: Kevin Zembower <kzembower at verizon.net>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Batch programming with KX3 Utility program?

Kevin,

I don't think you can do that with a KX3 Utility configuration file.
But you should be able to do it with Macros - look at the commands in the
K3/KX3 Programmer's reference.

An advantage of using Macros, is that they are stored in the KX3 and not in
a computer file, so no worry about the OS running on the computer.

A side comment -- Why are many inserting hyphens in Elecraft model
designations? It is KX3 (not KX-3), K3 (not K-3), K3S (not K-3S), etc.
There are only 2 exceptions to this - the Elecraft N-Gen and K-Pod.
Look at the Elecraft products - no hyphens. Leave the hyphens to other
manufacturers who change the number after the hyphen to designate an
"upgraded" version that you can only obtain by buying the new model.
The Elecraft KX3 is not an upgraded KX2, it is an entirely separate radio.

END RANT

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/12/2019 4:25 PM, Kevin Zembower via Elecraft wrote:
> Hello,
>
> My club is running a KX-3 with a Windows (7? something old and at end of
> life) workstation. I've installed the KX-3 Utility program and have 
> used it successfully to program the radio and save the configuration.
>
> I recently wrote about using different headsets in place of the MH-3 
> mic. I'm going to test the suggestions and advice this Thursday when I 
> go to the club. However, if I'm successful, it looks like there might 
> be a half-dozen or more configuration changes to be made to switch 
> between different headsets or back to the MH-3 mic.
>
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From rwnewbould at comcast.net  Tue Nov 12 18:47:03 2019
From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 18:47:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 FT8 Help
Message-ID: <05b34224-874d-c7b8-a67c-5a72f02076db@comcast.net>

I am at a loss on this one.?? I have reviewed several online writeups on 
the matter but I am still stuck.

I am making these assumptions,? the K3s USB port can handle the audio 
in/out, rig control and PTT.

I have the following settings.

Audio IN set to K3 audio in USB codec? -? FT8 decodes fine

Audio OUT set to K3 audio out USB codec - no audio on TX

Rig Ctrl set to COM 10 - rig control is working fine.

PTT Com10 -? not sure exactly which setting to use? CAT, DTR, RTS,

The radio will TX but I have no indication of any power out, which I 
guess is due to no audio OUT.

Any ideas would be appreciated.

Please respond direct to keep from cluttering the list

Thanks

Rich

K3RWN


From a.durbin at msn.com  Tue Nov 12 19:41:53 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 00:41:53 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 power supply gone south
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB296858F4216EEF8669EB55988C760@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"For the record, the group that was renting my place on J6 for the contest a week and a half ago hard faulted my KPA1500 power supply just 4 hours before the contest started."

Ah, but did they damage it doing something really stupid or did the KPA1500 system fail to protect itself from a reasonably expected operator error?  Absent that information what can we learn from this event other than don't let other people use your stuff?

Andy, k3wyc

From bill at wjschmidt.com  Tue Nov 12 20:59:17 2019
From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 21:59:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 power supply gone south
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB296858F4216EEF8669EB55988C760@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB296858F4216EEF8669EB55988C760@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <D680E4D0-F173-42E0-8738-944C9E8EDACA@wjschmidt.com>

Well Andy, the power supply just quit in the middle of normal operation.  I was on site helping the visiting team prep for the contest at the time to witness the failure. I don't think that qualifies as something stupid, in fact im not aware there is a way you could make my station misbehave to failure (all automated), so im gonna go with ?unknown hardware failure under warranty.?  Tech support was available that Friday afternoon and their response was ?it happens?.  Good enough for me. Going back. 


Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ
 
Owner - Operator
Big Signal Ranch ? K9ZC
Staunton, Illinois
 
Owner ? Operator
Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ
Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

email:  bill at wjschmidt.com
 

> On Nov 12, 2019, at 8:42 PM, Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?"For the record, the group that was renting my place on J6 for the contest a week and a half ago hard faulted my KPA1500 power supply just 4 hours before the contest started."
> 
> Ah, but did they damage it doing something really stupid or did the KPA1500 system fail to protect itself from a reasonably expected operator error?  Absent that information what can we learn from this event other than don't let other people use your stuff?
> 
> Andy, k3wyc
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From n4zr at comcast.net  Tue Nov 12 21:46:55 2019
From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 21:46:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange development with my K3
In-Reply-To: <92e7b98d-90da-a09e-d1c0-e433ced4fc54@blomand.net>
References: <7A2C7181-4313-4B79-A89E-FD3A22129CB9@gmail.com>
	<92e7b98d-90da-a09e-d1c0-e433ced4fc54@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <bfe094f1-4bbc-508c-d48f-f9d284c4b29f@comcast.net>

Good catch, Bob - who knew???

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

On 11/12/2019 3:37 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Go to the? Config Menu and check BND MAP settings.?? This says you 
> have blocked or mapped 14.0 out.?? See page 58 of the manual.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 11/12/2019 1:50 PM, Jim Danehy wrote:
>> I recently moved my K3, KPA 500 and KAT 500 to a new place in my 
>> home. It was working perfectly before the move.
>> I hooked everything back up. All cables properly attached.
>>
>> Now on 14.025 I get a tone every 7 seconds. Just a beep. It probably 
>> is 900 hertz. It comes like clockwork. It only does that on 14.025. 
>> It is a single shirt burst,
>> Now when cycling through the bands using the KPA buttons it avoids 14 
>> MHz.
>>
>> I am looking for an explanation and assistance on how to correct the 
>> unwanted short burst
>>
>> 73
>> W9VNE
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From n4zr at comcast.net  Tue Nov 12 21:57:21 2019
From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 21:57:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 internal noise?
Message-ID: <38e7b58c-dfc4-af86-7af7-36815e0ed781@comcast.net>

I have been noticing for some time that my N1MM/K3/Airspy HF+ shows some 
peculiar artifacts on the N1MM+ spectrum display.? Here's a pic.


Anyone else seeing the same thing?? The "pinstripes" are at 1-KHz 
intervals, and the clusters are 22 KHz apart.? The stripes vary somewhat 
in strength, and the loudest ones can sometimes be heard very weakly.

My K3 has the new synthesizers.? This isn't an operational problem - 
just curious. They are definitely coming from the K3, and I believe they 
are being generated inside the radio, because they remain unchanged when 
I disconnect the antenna

-- 

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
at<http://reversebeacon.net>, now
spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Nov 12 23:38:27 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 23:38:27 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 FT8 Help
In-Reply-To: <05b34224-874d-c7b8-a67c-5a72f02076db@comcast.net>
References: <05b34224-874d-c7b8-a67c-5a72f02076db@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <db6baf6f-babf-c208-0ae5-5d297cdd0593@embarqmail.com>

Rich,

Online "answers" that are not K3 specific are often incorrect.
You must drive the audio so that you have 4 bars shown on the ALC mater 
with the 5th bar flashing.  That is the NO ALC point for the K3/K3S/KX3/KX2.

Once you have achieved that condition, leave the audio level fixed and 
adjust the desired power level with the power knob.

There is an article dealing with this subject on my website www.w3fpr.com.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/12/2019 6:47 PM, Rich wrote:
> I am at a loss on this one.?? I have reviewed several online writeups on 
> the matter but I am still stuck.
> 
> I am making these assumptions,? the K3s USB port can handle the audio 
> in/out, rig control and PTT.
> 
> I have the following settings.
> 
> Audio IN set to K3 audio in USB codec? -? FT8 decodes fine
> 
> Audio OUT set to K3 audio out USB codec - no audio on TX
> 
> Rig Ctrl set to COM 10 - rig control is working fine.
> 

From jim at rhodesend.net  Wed Nov 13 00:10:47 2019
From: jim at rhodesend.net (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 23:10:47 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 internal noise?
In-Reply-To: <38e7b58c-dfc4-af86-7af7-36815e0ed781@comcast.net>
References: <38e7b58c-dfc4-af86-7af7-36815e0ed781@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4a-8cR0Y8dOYKQiUbWBo7HDuj=byCwo3DMA=HuAVrYLYw@mail.gmail.com>

I have some of the stripes, although they are less pronounced with the
KIO3B upgrade installed. And just checking I only see one at about 950 hz
and a weaker one at about double that. At triple that it is very faint. I
don't hear anything though so I have always assumed it was in the received
audio. Before I installed the new i/o boards I had about the same thing you
describe,  again I  never heard anything on the speaker audio so assumed it
was a sound card artifact as it didn't seem to interfere with reception.

Jim Rhodes
K0XU

On Tue, Nov 12, 2019, 20:59 N4ZR <n4zr at comcast.net> wrote:

> I have been noticing for some time that my N1MM/K3/Airspy HF+ shows some
> peculiar artifacts on the N1MM+ spectrum display.  Here's a pic.
>
>
> Anyone else seeing the same thing?  The "pinstripes" are at 1-KHz
> intervals, and the clusters are 22 KHz apart.  The stripes vary somewhat
> in strength, and the loudest ones can sometimes be heard very weakly.
>
> My K3 has the new synthesizers.  This isn't an operational problem -
> just curious. They are definitely coming from the K3, and I believe they
> are being generated inside the radio, because they remain unchanged when
> I disconnect the antenna
>
> --
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
> at<http://reversebeacon.net>, now
> spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
> For spots, please use your favorite
> "retail" DX cluster.
>
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From jim at rhodesend.net  Wed Nov 13 00:23:11 2019
From: jim at rhodesend.net (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 23:23:11 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] AE5X: 3D printed desktop rack for KX3/PX3
In-Reply-To: <20191112115613.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.158f1d56f5.wbe@email09.godaddy.com>
References: <20191112115613.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.158f1d56f5.wbe@email09.godaddy.com>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4Y_JuZF=PT2GydU4+e5iuXbFM04f7K8SAEXLHVNzc2g=g@mail.gmail.com>

I don't have the PX3, but do often use the KXPA100 when portable. The last
time I  set it up I was kind of cramped for space so I just set the feet
between the last 2 fins on the KXPA100 heat sink. Held it at an easy angle
to see, so I left it that way for the rest of the portable op, a couple of
months in North Dakota.

Jim Rhodes
K0XU

On Tue, Nov 12, 2019, 12:57 Dave New, N8SBE <n8sbe at arrl.net> wrote:

> Ran across this on AE5X's blog:
>
>
> https://ae5x.blogspot.com/2019/11/3d-printed-desktop-rack-for-kx3px3.html
>
>
> Looks kind of useful for those that have both the KX3 and PX3.  You can
> print your own, or Robert K5TD will print them for you for a fee.
>
>
> 73,
>
>
> -- Dave, N8SBE
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From rwnewbould at comcast.net  Wed Nov 13 00:28:50 2019
From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 00:28:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 FT8 Help
In-Reply-To: <db6baf6f-babf-c208-0ae5-5d297cdd0593@embarqmail.com>
References: <05b34224-874d-c7b8-a67c-5a72f02076db@comcast.net>
	<db6baf6f-babf-c208-0ae5-5d297cdd0593@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <ce240eef-315e-d01d-07e4-1b3c8aa87f11@comcast.net>

Thanks all.?? As always the fine folks on this list came through again!

Up and running now.

Rich

On 11/12/2019 23:38 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Rich,
>
> Online "answers" that are not K3 specific are often incorrect.
> You must drive the audio so that you have 4 bars shown on the ALC 
> mater with the 5th bar flashing.? That is the NO ALC point for the 
> K3/K3S/KX3/KX2.
>
> Once you have achieved that condition, leave the audio level fixed and 
> adjust the desired power level with the power knob.
>
> There is an article dealing with this subject on my website 
> www.w3fpr.com.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 11/12/2019 6:47 PM, Rich wrote:
>> I am at a loss on this one.?? I have reviewed several online writeups 
>> on the matter but I am still stuck.
>>
>> I am making these assumptions,? the K3s USB port can handle the audio 
>> in/out, rig control and PTT.
>>
>> I have the following settings.
>>
>> Audio IN set to K3 audio in USB codec? -? FT8 decodes fine
>>
>> Audio OUT set to K3 audio out USB codec - no audio on TX
>>
>> Rig Ctrl set to COM 10 - rig control is working fine.
>>
>

From gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 13 01:07:48 2019
From: gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com (eric norris)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 06:07:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 tuning
References: <1660275903.2324848.1573625268232.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1660275903.2324848.1573625268232@mail.yahoo.com>

With KPA1500 amp in bypass, ATU in bypass, I put the K3's atu tuner inline, then pressed ATU TUNE on the K3.? The ATU in the KPA1500 started to tune, then faulted on 30m.? I don't want the KPA1500 doing anything on 30m.?
Running beta fw 2.28.? Do I have a setting wrong, am I supposed to turn the KPA1500 off, or is my KPA1500 posessed by evil spirits?
73 Eric WD6DBM

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Wed Nov 13 07:04:27 2019
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (tony.kaz at verizon.net)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 07:04:27 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - WSJT-X help
References: <005d01d59a1a$7fdcc660$7f965320$.ref@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <005d01d59a1a$7fdcc660$7f965320$@verizon.net>

Scratching my head. I was making Q's on FT8 with my K3 and WSJT-X, v2.0.1
when I no longer would get power out.

WSJT is keying the K3 (Red transmit light is on) but no power out. The K3
keys fine with power out in CW or other modes is fine. WSJT is talking to
the K3. WSJT shows the correct frequency, it is decoding and when I go into
Settings > Radio and hit Test CAT it goes green. When I hit TUNE on WSJT it
turns to red and the red TX light on the K3 comes on. But no power out. 

 

The typical setup is LP-Bridge, DXBase, DXBridge, WSJT-X. Yes, I know I need
to update to DXLab to properly interface. So I closed everything but WSJT-X
and have it talking directly to the K3. No difference. Also using the USB
interface on the K3.

 

Any ideas what could have happened and any suggestions? Maybe I bumped
something?

N2TK, Tony  


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Nov 13 07:39:36 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 07:39:36 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - WSJT-X help
In-Reply-To: <005d01d59a1a$7fdcc660$7f965320$@verizon.net>
References: <005d01d59a1a$7fdcc660$7f965320$.ref@verizon.net>
	<005d01d59a1a$7fdcc660$7f965320$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <5998d547-507b-28b4-ce1b-9c7142328a51@embarqmail.com>

Tony,

Soundcard problem or K3 problem.  This is most commonly a problem with 
audio into the K3.

How many bars illuminate on the ALC meter?  It should be 4 with the 5th 
bar flashing.  If not, look at the audio levels.

See the article on my website www.w3fpr.com

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/13/2019 7:04 AM, N2TK via Elecraft wrote:
> Scratching my head. I was making Q's on FT8 with my K3 and WSJT-X, v2.0.1
> when I no longer would get power out.
> 
> WSJT is keying the K3 (Red transmit light is on) but no power out. The K3
> keys fine with power out in CW or other modes is fine. WSJT is talking to
> the K3. WSJT shows the correct frequency, it is decoding and when I go into
> Settings > Radio and hit Test CAT it goes green. When I hit TUNE on WSJT it
> turns to red and the red TX light on the K3 comes on. But no power out.
> 

From htodd at twofifty.com  Wed Nov 13 07:53:21 2019
From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 04:53:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 power supply gone south
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB296858F4216EEF8669EB55988C760@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB296858F4216EEF8669EB55988C760@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.NEB.2.21.99999.375.1911130440100.456@chris.i8u.org>

Mine just died back in March. There's an HV problem that several people
have had in some of the earlier amps, and I was asking if that's what it
was in direct email.

Elecraft can fix it easily, but customer service was oddly rude to me
(my email was stuck in their spam filter and they chastised me on the
phone for not answering Eric before they realized that I did reply) and
also made me swap cables and take the covers off and measure the HV line
instead of just sending it in.

On Wed, 13 Nov 2019, Andy Durbin wrote:

> "For the record, the group that was renting my place on J6 for the contest a week and a half ago hard faulted my KPA1500 power supply just 4 hours before the contest started."
>
> Ah, but did they damage it doing something really stupid or did the KPA1500 system fail to protect itself from a reasonably expected operator error?  Absent that information what can we learn from this event other than don't let other people use your stuff?
>
> Andy, k3wyc
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From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Wed Nov 13 08:10:29 2019
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (tony.kaz at verizon.net)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 08:10:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - WSJT-X help
In-Reply-To: <5998d547-507b-28b4-ce1b-9c7142328a51@embarqmail.com>
References: <005d01d59a1a$7fdcc660$7f965320$.ref@verizon.net>
	<005d01d59a1a$7fdcc660$7f965320$@verizon.net>
	<5998d547-507b-28b4-ce1b-9c7142328a51@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <017601d59a23$b99acb00$2cd06100$@verizon.net>

Don,
Tnx for the reminder on checking the audio on the ALC meter. It was so long since I had a problem I forgot about doing that. There was no audio shown on the K3. What happened is that in WSJT-X > Settings > Audio > Soundcard, The OUTPUT was no longer Speakers (USB Audio CODEC). Somehow it changed to SPEAKERS (Realtek High Definition Audio), which is my audio for my pc. Changed it to what it was supposed to be and now I am fine. I have no idea what changed the setting as I was working station after station when this happened.
Weird.

73,
N2TK, Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 7:40 AM
To: tony.kaz at verizon.net; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - WSJT-X help

Tony,

Soundcard problem or K3 problem.  This is most commonly a problem with audio into the K3.

How many bars illuminate on the ALC meter?  It should be 4 with the 5th bar flashing.  If not, look at the audio levels.

See the article on my website www.w3fpr.com

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/13/2019 7:04 AM, N2TK via Elecraft wrote:
> Scratching my head. I was making Q's on FT8 with my K3 and WSJT-X, 
> v2.0.1 when I no longer would get power out.
> 
> WSJT is keying the K3 (Red transmit light is on) but no power out. The 
> K3 keys fine with power out in CW or other modes is fine. WSJT is 
> talking to the K3. WSJT shows the correct frequency, it is decoding 
> and when I go into Settings > Radio and hit Test CAT it goes green. 
> When I hit TUNE on WSJT it turns to red and the red TX light on the K3 comes on. But no power out.
> 


From n4zr at comcast.net  Wed Nov 13 09:22:49 2019
From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 09:22:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - WSJT-X help
In-Reply-To: <017601d59a23$b99acb00$2cd06100$@verizon.net>
References: <005d01d59a1a$7fdcc660$7f965320$.ref@verizon.net>
	<005d01d59a1a$7fdcc660$7f965320$@verizon.net>
	<5998d547-507b-28b4-ce1b-9c7142328a51@embarqmail.com>
	<017601d59a23$b99acb00$2cd06100$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <f075c4b2-51ae-6901-a908-fddedc704da3@comcast.net>

I run into this over and over with Windows 10, and I'm embarrassed to 
say I often don't know what makes the difference.? I use the microphone 
input and speakers output on an outboard USB sound card, and generally 
find myself just dinking around with the various sound settings until I 
find something that causes it to start working.? My suspicion is that 
Windows 10 update has a nasty habit of resetting audio arrangements to 
some arbitrary set of "defaults."

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

On 11/13/2019 8:10 AM, N2TK via Elecraft wrote:
> Don,
> Tnx for the reminder on checking the audio on the ALC meter. It was so long since I had a problem I forgot about doing that. There was no audio shown on the K3. What happened is that in WSJT-X > Settings > Audio > Soundcard, The OUTPUT was no longer Speakers (USB Audio CODEC). Somehow it changed to SPEAKERS (Realtek High Definition Audio), which is my audio for my pc. Changed it to what it was supposed to be and now I am fine. I have no idea what changed the setting as I was working station after station when this happened.
> Weird.
>
> 73,
> N2TK, Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 7:40 AM
> To: tony.kaz at verizon.net; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - WSJT-X help
>
> Tony,
>
> Soundcard problem or K3 problem.  This is most commonly a problem with audio into the K3.
>
> How many bars illuminate on the ALC meter?  It should be 4 with the 5th bar flashing.  If not, look at the audio levels.
>
> See the article on my website www.w3fpr.com
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 11/13/2019 7:04 AM, N2TK via Elecraft wrote:
>> Scratching my head. I was making Q's on FT8 with my K3 and WSJT-X,
>> v2.0.1 when I no longer would get power out.
>>
>> WSJT is keying the K3 (Red transmit light is on) but no power out. The
>> K3 keys fine with power out in CW or other modes is fine. WSJT is
>> talking to the K3. WSJT shows the correct frequency, it is decoding
>> and when I go into Settings > Radio and hit Test CAT it goes green.
>> When I hit TUNE on WSJT it turns to red and the red TX light on the K3 comes on. But no power out.
>>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Wed Nov 13 09:31:14 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 08:31:14 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - WSJT-X help
In-Reply-To: <f075c4b2-51ae-6901-a908-fddedc704da3@comcast.net>
References: <005d01d59a1a$7fdcc660$7f965320$.ref@verizon.net>
	<005d01d59a1a$7fdcc660$7f965320$@verizon.net>
	<5998d547-507b-28b4-ce1b-9c7142328a51@embarqmail.com>
	<017601d59a23$b99acb00$2cd06100$@verizon.net>
	<f075c4b2-51ae-6901-a908-fddedc704da3@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <39f6e69e-732b-101b-3463-4069c4f2c4dc@blomand.net>

Using Windows 10 Pro, I do use the computer for other audio activities, 
editing music, choir performances, listening to music and such.?? This 
will change the audio parameter settings of Windows.??? Thus one needs 
to understand the various selections and audio level values for the 
computer, the software and the radio.

I use the USB input on my K3S and have a single USB cable which connects 
to the computer.? I do not have or use a separate interface.? I find 
this keeps things more reliable and less complex.? The WSJT-X software 
sets the radio parameters when I open the application. I may need to 
tweak the computer levels a bit, depending on what I was doing last.??? 
Otherwise, it is solid and reliable.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 11/13/2019 8:22 AM, N4ZR wrote:
> I run into this over and over with Windows 10, and I'm embarrassed to 
> say I often don't know what makes the difference.? I use the 
> microphone input and speakers output on an outboard USB sound card, 
> and generally find myself just dinking around with the various sound 
> settings until I find something that causes it to start working.? My 
> suspicion is that Windows 10 update has a nasty habit of resetting 
> audio arrangements to some arbitrary set of "defaults."
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
> at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
> spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
> For spots, please use your favorite
> "retail" DX cluster.
>
> On 11/13/2019 8:10 AM, N2TK via Elecraft wrote:
>> Don,
>> Tnx for the reminder on checking the audio on the ALC meter. It was 
>> so long since I had a problem I forgot about doing that. There was no 
>> audio shown on the K3. What happened is that in WSJT-X > Settings > 
>> Audio > Soundcard, The OUTPUT was no longer Speakers (USB Audio 
>> CODEC). Somehow it changed to SPEAKERS (Realtek High Definition 
>> Audio), which is my audio for my pc. Changed it to what it was 
>> supposed to be and now I am fine. I have no idea what changed the 
>> setting as I was working station after station when this happened.
>> Weird.
>>
>> 73,
>> N2TK, Tony
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 7:40 AM
>> To: tony.kaz at verizon.net; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - WSJT-X help
>>
>> Tony,
>>
>> Soundcard problem or K3 problem.? This is most commonly a problem 
>> with audio into the K3.
>>
>> How many bars illuminate on the ALC meter?? It should be 4 with the 
>> 5th bar flashing.? If not, look at the audio levels.
>>
>> See the article on my website www.w3fpr.com
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 11/13/2019 7:04 AM, N2TK via Elecraft wrote:
>>> Scratching my head. I was making Q's on FT8 with my K3 and WSJT-X,
>>> v2.0.1 when I no longer would get power out.
>>>
>>> WSJT is keying the K3 (Red transmit light is on) but no power out. The
>>> K3 keys fine with power out in CW or other modes is fine. WSJT is
>>> talking to the K3. WSJT shows the correct frequency, it is decoding
>>> and when I go into Settings > Radio and hit Test CAT it goes green.
>>> When I hit TUNE on WSJT it turns to red and the red TX light on the 
>>> K3 comes on. But no power out.
>>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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>>
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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Wed Nov 13 09:56:53 2019
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 09:56:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - WSJT-X help
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-79752643C2A64C4D975F76BE13F6AB49@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

On my Macintosh, if I don't have the K3 USB connector plugged in 
at both ends when I start wsjt-x, it automatically reverts to 
the internal microphone and speaker. I usually catch the problem 
during my A to Z check of all the possible settings.

73 Bill AE6JV/1

On 11/13/19 at 8:10 AM, elecraft at mailman.qth.net (N2TK via 
Elecraft) wrote:

>Tnx for the reminder on checking the audio on the ALC meter. It 
>was so long since I had a problem I forgot about doing that. 
>There was no audio shown on the K3. What happened is that in 
>WSJT-X > Settings > Audio > Soundcard, The OUTPUT was no longer 
>Speakers (USB Audio CODEC). Somehow it changed to SPEAKERS 
>(Realtek High Definition Audio), which is my audio for my pc. 
>Changed it to what it was supposed to be and now I am fine. I 
>have no idea what changed the setting as I was working station 
>after station when this happened.
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From cyaffey at gmail.com  Wed Nov 13 10:39:57 2019
From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 10:39:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - WSJT-X help
In-Reply-To: <005d01d59a1a$7fdcc660$7f965320$@verizon.net>
References: <005d01d59a1a$7fdcc660$7f965320$.ref@verizon.net>
	<005d01d59a1a$7fdcc660$7f965320$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <BE3DC126-45D5-4EF3-B095-539D11F98CED@gmail.com>

I have had this happen intermittently when using the KPA1500 with my K3S. I?m pretty sure it?s an RF feedback issue with the PC + WSJT-X. Never happens when NOT on FT8.


> On Nov 13, 2019, at 7:04 AM, N2TK via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Scratching my head. I was making Q's on FT8 with my K3 and WSJT-X, v2.0.1
> when I no longer would get power out.
> 
> WSJT is keying the K3 (Red transmit light is on) but no power out. The K3
> keys fine with power out in CW or other modes is fine. WSJT is talking to
> the K3. WSJT shows the correct frequency, it is decoding and when I go into
> Settings > Radio and hit Test CAT it goes green. When I hit TUNE on WSJT it
> turns to red and the red TX light on the K3 comes on. But no power out. 
> 
> 
> 
> The typical setup is LP-Bridge, DXBase, DXBridge, WSJT-X. Yes, I know I need
> to update to DXLab to properly interface. So I closed everything but WSJT-X
> and have it talking directly to the K3. No difference. Also using the USB
> interface on the K3.
> 
> 
> 
> Any ideas what could have happened and any suggestions? Maybe I bumped
> something?
> 
> N2TK, Tony  
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
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http://www.columbusshotokankarate.com










From jrf1959 at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 13 11:59:37 2019
From: jrf1959 at earthlink.net (Jim KO5V)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 09:59:37 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] XV50 FS
Message-ID: <1343164309.3444.1573664377627@wamui-albus.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Good Morning,

I have listed my XV50 on QRZ.com. If you are interested, please check it out here:

https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/elecraft-xv50-6m-transverter.680519/

Thanks for the bandwidth!

73, Jim KO5V

From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Wed Nov 13 12:04:32 2019
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (tony.kaz at verizon.net)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 12:04:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - WSJT-X help
In-Reply-To: <BE3DC126-45D5-4EF3-B095-539D11F98CED@gmail.com>
References: <005d01d59a1a$7fdcc660$7f965320$.ref@verizon.net>
	<005d01d59a1a$7fdcc660$7f965320$@verizon.net>
	<BE3DC126-45D5-4EF3-B095-539D11F98CED@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <028e01d59a44$6bfd6580$43f83080$@verizon.net>

I was on 20M at the time the problem arose. Will watch to see if it happens again as to what band and which antenna I am using.

73,

N2TK, Tony

 

From: Carl Yaffey <cyaffey at gmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:40 AM
To: tony.kaz at verizon.net
Cc: Bob Gibson via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - WSJT-X help

 

I have had this happen intermittently when using the KPA1500 with my K3S. I?m pretty sure it?s an RF feedback issue with the PC + WSJT-X. Never happens when NOT on FT8.

 





On Nov 13, 2019, at 7:04 AM, N2TK via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net> > wrote:

 

Scratching my head. I was making Q's on FT8 with my K3 and WSJT-X, v2.0.1
when I no longer would get power out.

WSJT is keying the K3 (Red transmit light is on) but no power out. The K3
keys fine with power out in CW or other modes is fine. WSJT is talking to
the K3. WSJT shows the correct frequency, it is decoding and when I go into
Settings > Radio and hit Test CAT it goes green. When I hit TUNE on WSJT it
turns to red and the red TX light on the K3 comes on. But no power out. 



The typical setup is LP-Bridge, DXBase, DXBridge, WSJT-X. Yes, I know I need
to update to DXLab to properly interface. So I closed everything but WSJT-X
and have it talking directly to the K3. No difference. Also using the USB
interface on the K3.



Any ideas what could have happened and any suggestions? Maybe I bumped
something?

N2TK, Tony  

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From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Wed Nov 13 12:04:32 2019
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (tony.kaz at verizon.net)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 12:04:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - WSJT-X help
In-Reply-To: <BE3DC126-45D5-4EF3-B095-539D11F98CED@gmail.com>
References: <005d01d59a1a$7fdcc660$7f965320$.ref@verizon.net>
	<005d01d59a1a$7fdcc660$7f965320$@verizon.net>
	<BE3DC126-45D5-4EF3-B095-539D11F98CED@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <028e01d59a44$6bfd6580$43f83080$@verizon.net>

I was on 20M at the time the problem arose. Will watch to see if it happens again as to what band and which antenna I am using.

73,

N2TK, Tony

 

From: Carl Yaffey <cyaffey at gmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:40 AM
To: tony.kaz at verizon.net
Cc: Bob Gibson via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - WSJT-X help

 

I have had this happen intermittently when using the KPA1500 with my K3S. I?m pretty sure it?s an RF feedback issue with the PC + WSJT-X. Never happens when NOT on FT8.

 





On Nov 13, 2019, at 7:04 AM, N2TK via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net> > wrote:

 

Scratching my head. I was making Q's on FT8 with my K3 and WSJT-X, v2.0.1
when I no longer would get power out.

WSJT is keying the K3 (Red transmit light is on) but no power out. The K3
keys fine with power out in CW or other modes is fine. WSJT is talking to
the K3. WSJT shows the correct frequency, it is decoding and when I go into
Settings > Radio and hit Test CAT it goes green. When I hit TUNE on WSJT it
turns to red and the red TX light on the K3 comes on. But no power out. 



The typical setup is LP-Bridge, DXBase, DXBridge, WSJT-X. Yes, I know I need
to update to DXLab to properly interface. So I closed everything but WSJT-X
and have it talking directly to the K3. No difference. Also using the USB
interface on the K3.



Any ideas what could have happened and any suggestions? Maybe I bumped
something?

N2TK, Tony  

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From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Wed Nov 13 12:06:52 2019
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (tony.kaz at verizon.net)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 12:06:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - WSJT-X help
In-Reply-To: <39f6e69e-732b-101b-3463-4069c4f2c4dc@blomand.net>
References: <005d01d59a1a$7fdcc660$7f965320$.ref@verizon.net>	<005d01d59a1a$7fdcc660$7f965320$@verizon.net>	<5998d547-507b-28b4-ce1b-9c7142328a51@embarqmail.com>	<017601d59a23$b99acb00$2cd06100$@verizon.net>	<f075c4b2-51ae-6901-a908-fddedc704da3@comcast.net>
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Hi Bob,
What is puzzling is why the audio settings were changed on WSJT. I surely wouldn't have gone into the program and make a change like that while running stations.
73,
N2TK, Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 9:31 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - WSJT-X help

Using Windows 10 Pro, I do use the computer for other audio activities, editing music, choir performances, listening to music and such.   This will change the audio parameter settings of Windows.    Thus one needs to understand the various selections and audio level values for the computer, the software and the radio.

I use the USB input on my K3S and have a single USB cable which connects to the computer.  I do not have or use a separate interface.  I find this keeps things more reliable and less complex.  The WSJT-X software sets the radio parameters when I open the application. I may need to tweak the computer levels a bit, depending on what I was doing last. Otherwise, it is solid and reliable.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 11/13/2019 8:22 AM, N4ZR wrote:
> I run into this over and over with Windows 10, and I'm embarrassed to 
> say I often don't know what makes the difference.  I use the 
> microphone input and speakers output on an outboard USB sound card, 
> and generally find myself just dinking around with the various sound 
> settings until I find something that causes it to start working.  My 
> suspicion is that Windows 10 update has a nasty habit of resetting 
> audio arrangements to some arbitrary set of "defaults."
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
> at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
> spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
> For spots, please use your favorite
> "retail" DX cluster.
>
> On 11/13/2019 8:10 AM, N2TK via Elecraft wrote:
>> Don,
>> Tnx for the reminder on checking the audio on the ALC meter. It was 
>> so long since I had a problem I forgot about doing that. There was no 
>> audio shown on the K3. What happened is that in WSJT-X > Settings > 
>> Audio > Soundcard, The OUTPUT was no longer Speakers (USB Audio 
>> CODEC). Somehow it changed to SPEAKERS (Realtek High Definition 
>> Audio), which is my audio for my pc. Changed it to what it was 
>> supposed to be and now I am fine. I have no idea what changed the 
>> setting as I was working station after station when this happened.
>> Weird.
>>
>> 73,
>> N2TK, Tony
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 7:40 AM
>> To: tony.kaz at verizon.net; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - WSJT-X help
>>
>> Tony,
>>
>> Soundcard problem or K3 problem.  This is most commonly a problem 
>> with audio into the K3.
>>
>> How many bars illuminate on the ALC meter?  It should be 4 with the 
>> 5th bar flashing.  If not, look at the audio levels.
>>
>> See the article on my website www.w3fpr.com
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 11/13/2019 7:04 AM, N2TK via Elecraft wrote:
>>> Scratching my head. I was making Q's on FT8 with my K3 and WSJT-X,
>>> v2.0.1 when I no longer would get power out.
>>>
>>> WSJT is keying the K3 (Red transmit light is on) but no power out. 
>>> The
>>> K3 keys fine with power out in CW or other modes is fine. WSJT is 
>>> talking to the K3. WSJT shows the correct frequency, it is decoding 
>>> and when I go into Settings > Radio and hit Test CAT it goes green.
>>> When I hit TUNE on WSJT it turns to red and the red TX light on the
>>> K3 comes on. But no power out.
>>>
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From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Wed Nov 13 12:07:22 2019
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (tony.kaz at verizon.net)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 12:07:22 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - WSJT-X help
In-Reply-To: <f075c4b2-51ae-6901-a908-fddedc704da3@comcast.net>
References: <005d01d59a1a$7fdcc660$7f965320$.ref@verizon.net>	<005d01d59a1a$7fdcc660$7f965320$@verizon.net>	<5998d547-507b-28b4-ce1b-9c7142328a51@embarqmail.com>	<017601d59a23$b99acb00$2cd06100$@verizon.net>
	<f075c4b2-51ae-6901-a908-fddedc704da3@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <02ab01d59a44$d105ce90$73116bb0$@verizon.net>

Hi Pete,
Maybe it is just magic?
73,
N2TK, Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of N4ZR
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 9:23 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - WSJT-X help

I run into this over and over with Windows 10, and I'm embarrassed to say I often don't know what makes the difference.  I use the microphone input and speakers output on an outboard USB sound card, and generally find myself just dinking around with the various sound settings until I find something that causes it to start working.  My suspicion is that Windows 10 update has a nasty habit of resetting audio arrangements to some arbitrary set of "defaults."

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

On 11/13/2019 8:10 AM, N2TK via Elecraft wrote:
> Don,
> Tnx for the reminder on checking the audio on the ALC meter. It was so long since I had a problem I forgot about doing that. There was no audio shown on the K3. What happened is that in WSJT-X > Settings > Audio > Soundcard, The OUTPUT was no longer Speakers (USB Audio CODEC). Somehow it changed to SPEAKERS (Realtek High Definition Audio), which is my audio for my pc. Changed it to what it was supposed to be and now I am fine. I have no idea what changed the setting as I was working station after station when this happened.
> Weird.
>
> 73,
> N2TK, Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 7:40 AM
> To: tony.kaz at verizon.net; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - WSJT-X help
>
> Tony,
>
> Soundcard problem or K3 problem.  This is most commonly a problem with audio into the K3.
>
> How many bars illuminate on the ALC meter?  It should be 4 with the 5th bar flashing.  If not, look at the audio levels.
>
> See the article on my website www.w3fpr.com
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 11/13/2019 7:04 AM, N2TK via Elecraft wrote:
>> Scratching my head. I was making Q's on FT8 with my K3 and WSJT-X,
>> v2.0.1 when I no longer would get power out.
>>
>> WSJT is keying the K3 (Red transmit light is on) but no power out. 
>> The
>> K3 keys fine with power out in CW or other modes is fine. WSJT is 
>> talking to the K3. WSJT shows the correct frequency, it is decoding 
>> and when I go into Settings > Radio and hit Test CAT it goes green.
>> When I hit TUNE on WSJT it turns to red and the red TX light on the K3 comes on. But no power out.
>>
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Wed Nov 13 12:06:51 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 11:06:51 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - WSJT-X help
In-Reply-To: <028e01d59a44$6bfd6580$43f83080$@verizon.net>
References: <005d01d59a1a$7fdcc660$7f965320$.ref@verizon.net>
	<005d01d59a1a$7fdcc660$7f965320$@verizon.net>
	<BE3DC126-45D5-4EF3-B095-539D11F98CED@gmail.com>
	<028e01d59a44$6bfd6580$43f83080$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <eb288681-7445-49ed-c91a-7adf5b935687@blomand.net>

And if you are using a beam / directional antenna, the position of the 
antenna may affect the RF level at the operating position.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 11/13/2019 11:04 AM, N2TK via Elecraft wrote:
> I was on 20M at the time the problem arose. Will watch to see if it happens again as to what band and which antenna I am using.
>
> 73,
>
> N2TK, Tony
>
>   
>
> From: Carl Yaffey <cyaffey at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:40 AM
> To: tony.kaz at verizon.net
> Cc: Bob Gibson via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - WSJT-X help
>
>   
>
> I have had this happen intermittently when using the KPA1500 with my K3S. I?m pretty sure it?s an RF feedback issue with the PC + WSJT-X. Never happens when NOT on FT8.
>
>   
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2019, at 7:04 AM, N2TK via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net> > wrote:
>
>   
>
> Scratching my head. I was making Q's on FT8 with my K3 and WSJT-X, v2.0.1
> when I no longer would get power out.
>
> WSJT is keying the K3 (Red transmit light is on) but no power out. The K3
> keys fine with power out in CW or other modes is fine. WSJT is talking to
> the K3. WSJT shows the correct frequency, it is decoding and when I go into
> Settings > Radio and hit Test CAT it goes green. When I hit TUNE on WSJT it
> turns to red and the red TX light on the K3 comes on. But no power out.
>
>
>
> The typical setup is LP-Bridge, DXBase, DXBridge, WSJT-X. Yes, I know I need
> to update to DXLab to properly interface. So I closed everything but WSJT-X
> and have it talking directly to the K3. No difference. Also using the USB
> interface on the K3.
>
>
>
> Any ideas what could have happened and any suggestions? Maybe I bumped
> something?
>
> N2TK, Tony
>
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>
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> 614 268 6353, Columbus OH
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From rwnewbould at comcast.net  Wed Nov 13 15:14:45 2019
From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 15:14:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - WSJT-X help
In-Reply-To: <02a901d59a44$bf2b0960$3d811c20$@verizon.net>
References: <005d01d59a1a$7fdcc660$7f965320$.ref@verizon.net>
	<005d01d59a1a$7fdcc660$7f965320$@verizon.net>
	<5998d547-507b-28b4-ce1b-9c7142328a51@embarqmail.com>
	<017601d59a23$b99acb00$2cd06100$@verizon.net>
	<f075c4b2-51ae-6901-a908-fddedc704da3@comcast.net>
	<39f6e69e-732b-101b-3463-4069c4f2c4dc@blomand.net>
	<02a901d59a44$bf2b0960$3d811c20$@verizon.net>
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As I brought up this discussion, I should add:

Many of the suggestions that the folks gave me really help with getting 
me going, but the one issue that should not have been an issue was the 
Audio settings in WJST.?? I had selected the K3 Audio out USB (I renamed 
my audio devices in Win10 so I know which USB sound device is which)? My 
setting should have worked but it did not.?? I fixed it by setting audio 
output device as my computer speakers.? Saved that settings.? The went 
right back in and changed it to K3 Audio out.?? That fixed it.? I would 
consider that issue is with WJST not the K3USB stuff.

Rich

On 11/13/2019 12:06 PM, N2TK via Elecraft wrote:
> Hi Bob,
> What is puzzling is why the audio settings were changed on WSJT. I surely wouldn't have gone into the program and make a change like that while running stations.
> 73,
> N2TK, Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 9:31 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - WSJT-X help
>
> Using Windows 10 Pro, I do use the computer for other audio activities, editing music, choir performances, listening to music and such.   This will change the audio parameter settings of Windows.    Thus one needs to understand the various selections and audio level values for the computer, the software and the radio.
>
> I use the USB input on my K3S and have a single USB cable which connects to the computer.  I do not have or use a separate interface.  I find this keeps things more reliable and less complex.  The WSJT-X software sets the radio parameters when I open the application. I may need to tweak the computer levels a bit, depending on what I was doing last. Otherwise, it is solid and reliable.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 11/13/2019 8:22 AM, N4ZR wrote:
>> I run into this over and over with Windows 10, and I'm embarrassed to
>> say I often don't know what makes the difference.  I use the
>> microphone input and speakers output on an outboard USB sound card,
>> and generally find myself just dinking around with the various sound
>> settings until I find something that causes it to start working.  My
>> suspicion is that Windows 10 update has a nasty habit of resetting
>> audio arrangements to some arbitrary set of "defaults."
>>
>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
>> at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
>> spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
>> For spots, please use your favorite
>> "retail" DX cluster.
>>
>> On 11/13/2019 8:10 AM, N2TK via Elecraft wrote:
>>> Don,
>>> Tnx for the reminder on checking the audio on the ALC meter. It was
>>> so long since I had a problem I forgot about doing that. There was no
>>> audio shown on the K3. What happened is that in WSJT-X > Settings >
>>> Audio > Soundcard, The OUTPUT was no longer Speakers (USB Audio
>>> CODEC). Somehow it changed to SPEAKERS (Realtek High Definition
>>> Audio), which is my audio for my pc. Changed it to what it was
>>> supposed to be and now I am fine. I have no idea what changed the
>>> setting as I was working station after station when this happened.
>>> Weird.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> N2TK, Tony
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 7:40 AM
>>> To: tony.kaz at verizon.net; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - WSJT-X help
>>>
>>> Tony,
>>>
>>> Soundcard problem or K3 problem.  This is most commonly a problem
>>> with audio into the K3.
>>>
>>> How many bars illuminate on the ALC meter?  It should be 4 with the
>>> 5th bar flashing.  If not, look at the audio levels.
>>>
>>> See the article on my website www.w3fpr.com
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>>
>>> On 11/13/2019 7:04 AM, N2TK via Elecraft wrote:
>>>> Scratching my head. I was making Q's on FT8 with my K3 and WSJT-X,
>>>> v2.0.1 when I no longer would get power out.
>>>>
>>>> WSJT is keying the K3 (Red transmit light is on) but no power out.
>>>> The
>>>> K3 keys fine with power out in CW or other modes is fine. WSJT is
>>>> talking to the K3. WSJT shows the correct frequency, it is decoding
>>>> and when I go into Settings > Radio and hit Test CAT it goes green.
>>>> When I hit TUNE on WSJT it turns to red and the red TX light on the
>>>> K3 comes on. But no power out.
>>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From kf7gc at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 13 15:50:18 2019
From: kf7gc at yahoo.com (Tomy Ivan)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 20:50:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] FS K2-100
References: <296797206.2561864.1573678218341.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <296797206.2561864.1573678218341@mail.yahoo.com>

I have a very nice working K2-100, 160 - 10 meters, Serial 57xx
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SSB Transmit Audio Mod with upgraded caps.
Filter Bandwidth mod from 2.1 to 2.6 kHz using SSBCAPKT Kit
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From mike at sm3wmv.com  Wed Nov 13 17:57:49 2019
From: mike at sm3wmv.com (Mikael Larsmark)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 23:57:49 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] 160m noise
In-Reply-To: <1573251992654.27905.119572@webmail2>
Message-ID: <1573685869189.17173.52116@webmail3>

Hi,


I think I found the problem. Since I had another K3 I took the KR mixer board from one of the radios and put in the one with the problem and the noise went away. So I started measuring on the board and as soon as I put the oscilloscope probe on the +5V pin the noise went away. So by the looks of the schematic +5V is fed into a voltage divider which is also connected to the LO and switches the multiplexer doing the mixing. So I measured the voltage at the input to the "mixer" and the peak level was right at +2V which is also the Vih of the circuit. So I guess it ended up barely switching any thus just generating noise instead. By adjusting it so it switches properly the problem went away.

73 de Mike, SM2WMV (SJ2W)
http://www.sj2w.se/contest/


On 8 November 2019 at 23:26:32 +01:00, Mikael Larsmark <mike at sm3wmv.com> wrote:

> Hi again,
> 
> I tried the factory settings and the problem does remain. I made a Youtube clip which shows it and the noise goes away below 1320kHz and above 2150kHz.
> 
> 
> Here is the clip,<<https://youtu.be/Ju5oMhq2YEE>>
> 
> 
> So I really feel this is a problem in the radio and not anything else.
> 73 de Mike, SM2WMV (SJ2W)
> <http://www.sj2w.se/contest/>
> 
> 
> On 8 November 2019 at 22:53:25 +01:00, RIchard Williams <<richarddw1945 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> > Well, that was a good idea (only works if you have a second radio). I would try Eric's suggestion to reload a good EEINIT file. Can't beat Elecraft for support.
> > 
> > 
> > Dick, K8ZTT
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android <<https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>>
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 11:28, Mikael Larsmark
> > > <<mike at sm3wmv.com>> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hi Dick,
> > > 
> > > I have tried plugging everything out of the radio except the power supply. Then I took another K3 and made sure I did not have the same problem on that radio which I did not have, it was totally quiet when unplugging the antennas. I took the power supply cable from that K3 and plugged into the one with problem (still no other cables connected) and still the same noise. I also tried a dummy load on the TX ant port but no success.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > So I doubt it is anything generated locally since the setup is identical with the other K3 when switching them out. Plus it is dead quiet on all other bands when unplugging the antennas.
> > > 73 de Mike, SM2WMV (SJ2W)
> > > <<http://www.sj2w.se/contest/>>
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 8 November 2019 at 21:55:26 +01:00, RIchard Williams <<<richarddw1945 at yahoo.com>>> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > First, I would try using just a battery to make sure it is not power supply. Then try turning off everything but your radio in the shack. If the noise is still there, throw the master breaker to the house to see if it might be something in your house.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Or you might take your radio and a battery somewhere that is not near any noise sources and see what your S meter shows. If you still have the noise, maybe someone else has some thoughts.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Dick, K8ZTT
> > > > 
> > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android <<https://go.onelink.me/107872968>?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers?_wl=ym?_sub1=Internal?_sub2=Global_YGrowth?_sub3=EmailSignature <<https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>>>
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 10:01, Mikael Larsmark
> > > > > <<<mike at sm3wmv.com>>> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > 
> > > > > I am having an issue which confuses me quite a bit. When I unplug my antennas and listen to 80m for example I have very low noise and the S-meter does not light up a single bar. When I go to 160m and do the same thing I have S3-S4 and I can hear a much higher noise level. It is the same behavior regardless if I use the RX antenna or the ANT1 jack (none with any antenna). I have the same settings on both bands.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I also tried to do a factory reset but behavior remains.
> > > > > Any idea what this can be?
> > > > > 
> > > > > /Mikael, SJ2W
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From jsdanehy at gmail.com  Wed Nov 13 20:39:30 2019
From: jsdanehy at gmail.com (Jim Danehy)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 20:39:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Update on Band Tracking
Message-ID: <9F00C4A6-C586-48AB-AC04-FE17D450AA50@gmail.com>

My K3, upon moving it to a new operating spot now has a tracking issue. I took off the cabling to ease moving to another room. I reinstalled the cabling. However several bands do not switch ON THE KPA 500 when I change bands on the K3. If I hit the key the KPA 500 immediately changed to the band the K3 is on. So RF switching works.

In the CONFIG Menu I went through the BAND MAP and made sure each BAND was ?IN?. But a couple although IN do not follow the K3.

Any suggestions ? I will update the Firmware since what I have is a few behind. That may cure the problem. In the interim please share your suggestions.

Thanks
W9VNE/VA3VNE 
Sent from my iPhone

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Wed Nov 13 21:57:56 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 21:57:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Update on Band Tracking
In-Reply-To: <9F00C4A6-C586-48AB-AC04-FE17D450AA50@gmail.com>
References: <9F00C4A6-C586-48AB-AC04-FE17D450AA50@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F103DB17-1DAB-4C1D-96B8-F678332388E3@widomaker.com>

Cables and connectors???

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Nov 13, 2019, at 8:41 PM, Jim Danehy <jsdanehy at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?My K3, upon moving it to a new operating spot now has a tracking issue. I took off the cabling to ease moving to another room. I reinstalled the cabling. However several bands do not switch ON THE KPA 500 when I change bands on the K3. If I hit the key the KPA 500 immediately changed to the band the K3 is on. So RF switching works.
> 
> In the CONFIG Menu I went through the BAND MAP and made sure each BAND was ?IN?. But a couple although IN do not follow the K3.
> 
> Any suggestions ? I will update the Firmware since what I have is a few behind. That may cure the problem. In the interim please share your suggestions.
> 
> Thanks
> W9VNE/VA3VNE 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Wed Nov 13 22:39:51 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 21:39:51 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Update on Band Tracking
In-Reply-To: <F103DB17-1DAB-4C1D-96B8-F678332388E3@widomaker.com>
References: <9F00C4A6-C586-48AB-AC04-FE17D450AA50@gmail.com>
	<F103DB17-1DAB-4C1D-96B8-F678332388E3@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <409644ae-82b2-8432-101f-0e59c97f487e@blomand.net>

Bill:

You mention a good point......cables and connectors.

To that end, I find that just inserting a multipin plug into a connector 
is not good enough.? I know those retaining screws are a pain to deal 
with, but they are there for a very valid reason. They assure the plug 
is fully engaged and they assure it is secure.?? Frequent moving 
equipment on the desk or shifting it around will allow a connector to 
work partially loose.? That causes intermittent and unreliable operations.

Always secure those connectors as intended.? Time saving short cuts are 
not allowed.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 11/13/2019 8:57 PM, Nr4c wrote:
> Cables and connectors???
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
>> On Nov 13, 2019, at 8:41 PM, Jim Danehy <jsdanehy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?My K3, upon moving it to a new operating spot now has a tracking issue. I took off the cabling to ease moving to another room. I reinstalled the cabling. However several bands do not switch ON THE KPA 500 when I change bands on the K3. If I hit the key the KPA 500 immediately changed to the band the K3 is on. So RF switching works.
>>
>> In the CONFIG Menu I went through the BAND MAP and made sure each BAND was ?IN?. But a couple although IN do not follow the K3.
>>
>> Any suggestions ? I will update the Firmware since what I have is a few behind. That may cure the problem. In the interim please share your suggestions.
>>
>> Thanks
>> W9VNE/VA3VNE
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From jackbrindle at me.com  Thu Nov 14 00:51:27 2019
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 21:51:27 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Update on Band Tracking
In-Reply-To: <9F00C4A6-C586-48AB-AC04-FE17D450AA50@gmail.com>
References: <9F00C4A6-C586-48AB-AC04-FE17D450AA50@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6B09F838-F2A0-4602-A758-A3FEA783862E@me.com>

Be sure to check the pins on the AUX-IO cable connectors. The small DE-15 pins can easily be bent, and if so they may short to another pin or not make contact at all, causing the exact problem described.
If they are bent, you may be able to carefully straighten them, but most likely you will need to replace the cable. I use short adapter plugs that are straight through, connected at the AX-IO ends in situations like these. If the adapter plug breaks, it is much easier (and cheaper) to replace it than to replace the original cable.

You are getting very good advise this evening. Make sure the connections are good, and your KPA500 should properly follow the K3 again.

73!
Jack, W6FB



> On Nov 13, 2019, at 5:39 PM, Jim Danehy <jsdanehy at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My K3, upon moving it to a new operating spot now has a tracking issue. I took off the cabling to ease moving to another room. I reinstalled the cabling. However several bands do not switch ON THE KPA 500 when I change bands on the K3. If I hit the key the KPA 500 immediately changed to the band the K3 is on. So RF switching works.
> 
> In the CONFIG Menu I went through the BAND MAP and made sure each BAND was ?IN?. But a couple although IN do not follow the K3.
> 
> Any suggestions ? I will update the Firmware since what I have is a few behind. That may cure the problem. In the interim please share your suggestions.
> 
> Thanks
> W9VNE/VA3VNE 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From hs0zed at gmail.com  Thu Nov 14 01:37:12 2019
From: hs0zed at gmail.com (Martin Sole)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 13:37:12 +0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 died again and fixed
In-Reply-To: <c611d468-063a-ce69-69ad-a1abac58c898@gmail.com>
References: <c611d468-063a-ce69-69ad-a1abac58c898@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7232fb62-1c4e-e49c-3d8b-32ca56c7b72d@gmail.com>

A few days ago I posted the below message but had not had time until 
today to dig a little deeper. I took as my starting point the loss of 
both receive and transmit as an indicator that the culprit would likely 
be something common to both and given the lack of receiver noise whilst 
the P3 panadaptor showed normal signals and band noise suggested it 
would be after the first conversion.

This suggested something in the second LO as a likely possibility and 
with the first intent being to measure the oscillator signals. I used my 
SDRplay RSP1 with the Steve Andrews spectrum analyser software as this 
was handy and is easy to use. BTW, this is a great tool if you have any 
of the RSP devices. Going to the KREF3 board between the synthesisers 
and probing the 49.380MHz reference showed a healthy signal close to 
0dBm, as expected since the P3 confirmed tuning works, so I moved to the 
output of U2 the divide by 6, hmm, nothing, nada, zilch. Worries of a 
dead 74VHC175 with no replacement on hand was the first thought but 
rapidly followed by my knowledge that this board had not so long ago 
suffered a capacitor failure causing loss of the 7 volt transmit bias.

With the KREF3 on the bench a quick measure from the 5 volt line to 
ground showed 82 ohms after L2, 87 ohms between L1 and L2 and about 91 
before L1. Way too low for sure. There are 3 components here C7, C19 and 
U1. Having had a 0.1uF fail on this board already I was ready to bet the 
farm on either C7 or C19. C19 was the first to be removed and I hit pay 
dirt right off, shoulda bought that lottery ticket today! Another dud 
0.1uF then. Measuring the 5v to ground showed it now at a much more 
respectable 1.3k ohms. Replacement was with a 1206 0.1 as I had done 
earlier with C6.

Normal service is resumed. It's all back working as it should but I do 
wonder now about the possible longevity of the other 0.1uF capacitors 
both on this board and possibly in other parts of the radio. I count 12 
more on this board alone.

I should mention that my K3 is an early unit, S/N 298 so I presume circa 
2008-ish. More than 10 years is not bad in my book and the faults have 
been fairly straight forward. It might be surface mount but it's 
eminently repairable.


Martin, HS0ZED


On 12/11/2019 19:48, Martin Sole wrote:
> Hi,
>
> My K3 is quite an early unit, S/N 298. Recently upgraded with new 
> synths KRX3A and KXV3, I also have a P3 connected to the radio. A 
> while back it failed with a shorted smd capacitor on the K3REF board 
> causing loss of TX bias voltage. Today it has lost both receive and 
> transmit and I am thinking it might be from the same module. Here's 
> the situation.
>
> Rig powers on and appears to work normally except soft noise from the 
> speaker, no band noise to speak of and no signals. P3 shows plenty of 
> signals, S9 plus on FT8 freqs but nothing heard other than soft noise. 
> Tuning works as signals move in the band scope. No sub receiver 
> signals either and no TX output. Have not checked transverter output 
> but expect to find nothing there.
>
> P3 take off at IF output so everything is clearly working up to there. 
> DSP seems to be working as width and shift cause the expected changes 
> in audio. S meter reads dead zero, no movement.
>
> About the only common point I can see is the K3REF board so it would 
> appear a second failure on this module. Since this is where I had to 
> do earlier work I wouldn't put it past being a user inflicted fault, 
> but that repair was a month or more ago.
>
> Anyone care to have a guess or share thoughts?
>
> Martin, HS0ZED

Earlier


Hi,

So I had some success in fixing this and thought I would write it up 
here briefly for future reference.

Short version
C6 on the K3REF module had become a 12 ohm resistor.

Longer version
Finding the 7T line only going to 3.5 volts or so was suspicious. 
Measuring the resistance to ground of that line showed about 20 ohms 
where the 7 volts is generated at U11 on the RF board, very suspicious. 
The first step then was to remove any removable item that has a 
connection to the 7T line. That's most modules in the K3. Checking the 
resistance of the 7T line each time I removed a plug in module showed 
the fault to be somewhere on the K3REF module. The 7T line on this board 
goes to Q3 via R16, R8 and R9 and also to Q2 and U3 via L5. Measuring 
either side of L5 showed? lower resistance on the Q2 and U3 side, now 
around 12 ohms as opposed to 14 or so at pin 3 of P75. Focus then was 
directed at Q2 and U3 as likely culprits being active devices likely 
more prone to failure but removing Q2 showed no change nor did very 
carefully lifting pin8 of U3 and confirming no connection to L5. That 
left C6 as the remaining component on that line and its removal restored 
a much healthier 2.7k resistance to ground on that line as formed by 
R16, R8 and R9 around Q3 noted above.

I don't have any of the microscopic 0.1uF capacitors used in this 
location, are they 0402? but I have a good selection of 1206 parts and 
being smaller than the chokes on this board I considered it a suitable 
change. The board mounts very close to the chassis so size is critical.

All restored and the rig is back to normal working order. I don't know 
if these capacitors are prone generally to such failures but at least it 
was on a plug in board so easy to narrow down.

So that was a fun Saturday afternoon for an hour or so, hopefully the 
radio will keep on working well now.

Martin, HS0ZED

From g at downs86.plus.com  Thu Nov 14 05:02:37 2019
From: g at downs86.plus.com (Geoffrey)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 10:02:37 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 died again and fixed
In-Reply-To: <7232fb62-1c4e-e49c-3d8b-32ca56c7b72d@gmail.com>
References: <c611d468-063a-ce69-69ad-a1abac58c898@gmail.com>
	<7232fb62-1c4e-e49c-3d8b-32ca56c7b72d@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <78c3a233-5e2b-8cb9-8e46-fb20a17f7af8@downs86.plus.com>


From casualobservertwo at msn.com  Thu Nov 14 07:45:17 2019
From: casualobservertwo at msn.com (David Fuchs)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 05:45:17 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2 Kit and accessories For Sale $1500.00
Message-ID: <1573735517122-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

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My cost was over 2300.   Asking $1500.00 Shipped in the USA
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From radioprincegeorge at gmail.com  Thu Nov 14 09:57:35 2019
From: radioprincegeorge at gmail.com (Don Pomplun)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 09:57:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S stuck on MCU LD
Message-ID: <b53d7b1b-6c2e-7f94-55ba-6f4724917719@gmail.com>

A few days ago I noticed that when I powered up my K3S (ser #11141) I 
would briefly get an Err DSE message.? The manual says I should reload 
the firmware via the K3 Utility program (like I've successfully done in 
the past when a new version is available). But this time when I click 
Send All Firmware to K3, I get this:

Elecraft K3 Utility Revision 1.16.7.25
OS Version 6.1 Build 7601 Windows 7
K3 MCU revision ??.??. RS-232 speed 38400 bit/s.
Sending firmware file C:\Users\K2BIO\AppData\Roaming\Elecraft\K3 
Firmware\hmcu0567.hex to MCU
/(5-10 second pause, then)/
Error code 0xE2000048: No response to poll while synchronizing to buffer 
boundary
MCU verification failed. Reload MCU.
Click "Close" to close this window

I disconnected the Power Pole connector for a few minutes, then powered 
it up again.? After the front panel LEDs flash briefly, the screen says 
MCU LD and the red TX light is flashing. Trying this again many times, I 
get the same message.
Then I noticed that with _no power to the K3S and the USB cable between 
the K3S and the PC unplugged_ at both ends, when I start the K3 Utility, 
and click /Send All Firmware to K3/, I get exactly the same error 
message as noted earlier (with nothing connected).? Thinking maybe the 
problem is with the K3 Utility, I deleted it from the PC and reloaded it 
from the Elecraft site and reinstalled it.? Same problem!
It appears that even after a long power-down, the K3 processor isn't 
resetting.? Looking for suggestions!
TIA
Don??? K2BIO

From hs0zed at gmail.com  Thu Nov 14 10:56:06 2019
From: hs0zed at gmail.com (Martin Sole)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 22:56:06 +0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S stuck on MCU LD
In-Reply-To: <b53d7b1b-6c2e-7f94-55ba-6f4724917719@gmail.com>
References: <b53d7b1b-6c2e-7f94-55ba-6f4724917719@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <09d73b6f-5deb-d81a-1aad-a4a7e0ecafa6@gmail.com>

Hi,

Is the PC detecting the radio when you connect it? Check for the com 
port appearing when you plug the USB cable in. It will appear in Device 
manager under comm ports. Make sure its detected and the K3 utility can 
see the correct port as allocated in Device manager.

Martin, HS0ZED



On 14/11/2019 21:57, Don Pomplun wrote:
> A few days ago I noticed that when I powered up my K3S (ser #11141) I 
> would briefly get an Err DSE message.? The manual says I should reload 
> the firmware via the K3 Utility program (like I've successfully done 
> in the past when a new version is available). But this time when I 
> click Send All Firmware to K3, I get this:
>
> Elecraft K3 Utility Revision 1.16.7.25
> OS Version 6.1 Build 7601 Windows 7
> K3 MCU revision ??.??. RS-232 speed 38400 bit/s.
> Sending firmware file C:\Users\K2BIO\AppData\Roaming\Elecraft\K3 
> Firmware\hmcu0567.hex to MCU
> /(5-10 second pause, then)/
> Error code 0xE2000048: No response to poll while synchronizing to 
> buffer boundary
> MCU verification failed. Reload MCU.
> Click "Close" to close this window
>
> I disconnected the Power Pole connector for a few minutes, then 
> powered it up again.? After the front panel LEDs flash briefly, the 
> screen says MCU LD and the red TX light is flashing. Trying this again 
> many times, I get the same message.
> Then I noticed that with _no power to the K3S and the USB cable 
> between the K3S and the PC unplugged_ at both ends, when I start the 
> K3 Utility, and click /Send All Firmware to K3/, I get exactly the 
> same error message as noted earlier (with nothing connected). Thinking 
> maybe the problem is with the K3 Utility, I deleted it from the PC and 
> reloaded it from the Elecraft site and reinstalled it.? Same problem!
> It appears that even after a long power-down, the K3 processor isn't 
> resetting.? Looking for suggestions!
> TIA
> Don??? K2BIO
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Nov 14 10:57:16 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 10:57:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S stuck on MCU LD
In-Reply-To: <b53d7b1b-6c2e-7f94-55ba-6f4724917719@gmail.com>
References: <b53d7b1b-6c2e-7f94-55ba-6f4724917719@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8F8D4EA1-2BDA-47C7-AC83-14939511654C@widomaker.com>

Verify connections to computer. 

Maybe I?m plug everything but cable to power,  computer and ant and try again. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Nov 14, 2019, at 9:59 AM, Don Pomplun <radioprincegeorge at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?A few days ago I noticed that when I powered up my K3S (ser #11141) I would briefly get an Err DSE message.  The manual says I should reload the firmware via the K3 Utility program (like I've successfully done in the past when a new version is available). But this time when I click Send All Firmware to K3, I get this:
> 
> Elecraft K3 Utility Revision 1.16.7.25
> OS Version 6.1 Build 7601 Windows 7
> K3 MCU revision ??.??. RS-232 speed 38400 bit/s.
> Sending firmware file C:\Users\K2BIO\AppData\Roaming\Elecraft\K3 Firmware\hmcu0567.hex to MCU
> /(5-10 second pause, then)/
> Error code 0xE2000048: No response to poll while synchronizing to buffer boundary
> MCU verification failed. Reload MCU.
> Click "Close" to close this window
> 
> I disconnected the Power Pole connector for a few minutes, then powered it up again.  After the front panel LEDs flash briefly, the screen says MCU LD and the red TX light is flashing. Trying this again many times, I get the same message.
> Then I noticed that with _no power to the K3S and the USB cable between the K3S and the PC unplugged_ at both ends, when I start the K3 Utility, and click /Send All Firmware to K3/, I get exactly the same error message as noted earlier (with nothing connected).  Thinking maybe the problem is with the K3 Utility, I deleted it from the PC and reloaded it from the Elecraft site and reinstalled it.  Same problem!
> It appears that even after a long power-down, the K3 processor isn't resetting.  Looking for suggestions!
> TIA
> Don    K2BIO
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Nov 14 10:57:47 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 10:57:47 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S stuck on MCU LD
In-Reply-To: <b53d7b1b-6c2e-7f94-55ba-6f4724917719@gmail.com>
References: <b53d7b1b-6c2e-7f94-55ba-6f4724917719@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AC95BE70-B5BB-44C9-B769-C80D2C630C08@widomaker.com>

Verify connections to computer. 

Maybe I?m plug everything but cable to power,  computer and ant and try again. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Nov 14, 2019, at 9:59 AM, Don Pomplun <radioprincegeorge at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?A few days ago I noticed that when I powered up my K3S (ser #11141) I would briefly get an Err DSE message.  The manual says I should reload the firmware via the K3 Utility program (like I've successfully done in the past when a new version is available). But this time when I click Send All Firmware to K3, I get this:
> 
> Elecraft K3 Utility Revision 1.16.7.25
> OS Version 6.1 Build 7601 Windows 7
> K3 MCU revision ??.??. RS-232 speed 38400 bit/s.
> Sending firmware file C:\Users\K2BIO\AppData\Roaming\Elecraft\K3 Firmware\hmcu0567.hex to MCU
> /(5-10 second pause, then)/
> Error code 0xE2000048: No response to poll while synchronizing to buffer boundary
> MCU verification failed. Reload MCU.
> Click "Close" to close this window
> 
> I disconnected the Power Pole connector for a few minutes, then powered it up again.  After the front panel LEDs flash briefly, the screen says MCU LD and the red TX light is flashing. Trying this again many times, I get the same message.
> Then I noticed that with _no power to the K3S and the USB cable between the K3S and the PC unplugged_ at both ends, when I start the K3 Utility, and click /Send All Firmware to K3/, I get exactly the same error message as noted earlier (with nothing connected).  Thinking maybe the problem is with the K3 Utility, I deleted it from the PC and reloaded it from the Elecraft site and reinstalled it.  Same problem!
> It appears that even after a long power-down, the K3 processor isn't resetting.  Looking for suggestions!
> TIA
> Don    K2BIO
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From inventor61 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 14 11:04:02 2019
From: inventor61 at gmail.com (inventor61 .)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 11:04:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] new K2 accessory / feature
Message-ID: <CAHmQzTnzP1NMLvKS7s0osF7ezR2As9G2-XkK7twzR6G51QUDFw@mail.gmail.com>

I worked with WA2EUJ at Hobby PCB to modify that amplifier's firmware so
that my amplifier would connect to my nearly-20-year-old K2 and add
automatic band changes and one-cable interfacing.

The video shown at this URL describes what was done and the results.  I am
happy to back this up, as the initial field user with the most hours on the
setup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq9eB8hHLmc

Here's yet another reason to dust off that terrific K2 that may be just
sitting in storage or on a shelf, forlorn and silent, yet still a magic
little gray box that changed the hobby a generation ago.

73  Steve KZ1X

From kg7owo.01 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 14 11:11:32 2019
From: kg7owo.01 at gmail.com (Paul Artman)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 08:11:32 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] getting used to a new rig
Message-ID: <CAOh9fk6inXCF_jBzGN++nbTPasRsgkJDAeayLUtLrs3rnMFtQg@mail.gmail.com>

Actually this KX3 is the first and probably the last new rig I'll ever get.
Also I know my queries to be simple in nature. My son who assembled the
machine likewise put my Fred Candy book in storage. (What am I to do beat
him for cleaning up?).

So to problems I am sure are simple. How to set the +/- for the offset for
the 2M card. I got the 600, but haven't found the setting. similarly, I get
a n/a msg on the led when I attempt to tune. Not just on the transverter
card but on HF as well. Still only trying qrp until I can be sure I cannot
damage the rig.

thanks all. I should inform that I have confusion and processing issues
since an accident 7 years ago.

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Nov 14 11:10:35 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 11:10:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S stuck on MCU LD
In-Reply-To: <b53d7b1b-6c2e-7f94-55ba-6f4724917719@gmail.com>
References: <b53d7b1b-6c2e-7f94-55ba-6f4724917719@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7f7ae8de-5153-3239-7b21-16dbf4f1a71f@embarqmail.com>

Don,

That state (MCU LD and red TX light blinking) is typical when some 
glitch occurs between the computer and the K3/K3S during a firmware load.

Turn the manual (or read the K3 Utility Help) section on "Force a 
Firmware Download".  Follow those steps and you should find success.

If the original error is still present contact Elecraft support.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/14/2019 9:57 AM, Don Pomplun wrote:
> A few days ago I noticed that when I powered up my K3S (ser #11141) I 
> would briefly get an Err DSE message.? The manual says I should reload 
> the firmware via the K3 Utility program (like I've successfully done in 
> the past when a new version is available). But this time when I click 
> Send All Firmware to K3, I get this:
> 
> Elecraft K3 Utility Revision 1.16.7.25
> OS Version 6.1 Build 7601 Windows 7
> K3 MCU revision ??.??. RS-232 speed 38400 bit/s.
> Sending firmware file C:\Users\K2BIO\AppData\Roaming\Elecraft\K3 
> Firmware\hmcu0567.hex to MCU
> /(5-10 second pause, then)/
> Error code 0xE2000048: No response to poll while synchronizing to buffer 
> boundary
> MCU verification failed. Reload MCU.
> Click "Close" to close this window
> 
> I disconnected the Power Pole connector for a few minutes, then powered 
> it up again.? After the front panel LEDs flash briefly, the screen says 
> MCU LD and the red TX light is flashing. Trying this again many times, I 
> get the same message.
> Then I noticed that with _no power to the K3S and the USB cable between 
> the K3S and the PC unplugged_ at both ends, when I start the K3 Utility, 
> and click /Send All Firmware to K3/, I get exactly the same error 
> message as noted earlier (with nothing connected).? Thinking maybe the 
> problem is with the K3 Utility, I deleted it from the PC and reloaded it 
> from the Elecraft site and reinstalled it.? Same problem!
> It appears that even after a long power-down, the K3 processor isn't 
> resetting.? Looking for suggestions!
> TIA
> Don??? K2BIO
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From neilz at techie.com  Thu Nov 14 11:41:15 2019
From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 11:41:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FS K2-100
In-Reply-To: <296797206.2561864.1573678218341@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <296797206.2561864.1573678218341.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<296797206.2561864.1573678218341@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e0791226-2d48-c741-3b0d-65b195914d29@techie.com>

What's the Serial Number?

On 11/13/2019 3:50 PM, Tomy Ivan wrote:
> I have a very nice working K2-100, 160 - 10 meters, Serial 57xx
> Has the following:
> Upgraded Metal tuning knob with dimple.
> KAT2 Automatic Antenna Tuner
> KSB2 SSB Adapter
> K160RX 160 Meter Adapter with RX Antenna Switch
> KPA100 100 Watt Amp with RS-232 Interface
> KDSP2 DSP Audio Filter
> SSB Transmit Audio Mod with upgraded caps.
> Filter Bandwidth mod from 2.1 to 2.6 kHz using SSBCAPKT Kit
> KAT100 High Power External Automatic Antenna Tuner in EC2 Enclosure.
> All the manuals, cables, and hand mic.
> $1175. Shipped Conusa. PayPal Preferred.kf7gc at yahoo.com928-710-9231
>
> 73! Tomy KF7GC
> AZ STM, A-1 Operator Club
> NM AZ Section Net,
> ORS,?www.atenaz.net

From dobox at suddenlink.net  Thu Nov 14 13:54:38 2019
From: dobox at suddenlink.net (David Box)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 12:54:38 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 died again and fixed
In-Reply-To: <7232fb62-1c4e-e49c-3d8b-32ca56c7b72d@gmail.com>
References: <c611d468-063a-ce69-69ad-a1abac58c898@gmail.com>
	<7232fb62-1c4e-e49c-3d8b-32ca56c7b72d@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5fbf7df0-37a0-6b28-3516-33860a0fe328@suddenlink.net>

If you are doing hand solder replacements of SMD capacitors you should 
make sure you follow procedures to either pre-heat the component or take 
extreme precautions to guarantee that the soldering iron does not touch 
the capacitor electrodes.? Thermal shock with cause the metal endcaps to 
crack the ceramic which will eventually cause high leakage or shorts in 
the capacitor.

Seeing that you have found two SMD caps on the same board have failed 
then I am suspicious of the fabrication of this particular board.

You might want to reference 
<www.kemet.com/Lists/TechnicalArticles/Attachments/49/F9207%20KEMET%20Hand%20Soldering%20Procedures.pdf>

There are other stresses that can cause the capacitor to crack and fail 
such as board bending or contaminants under the part, BUT for home lab 
work the primary reason is thermal shocking during hand solder.

de Dave K5MWR

On 11/14/2019 00:37, Martin Sole wrote:
> A few days ago I posted the below message but had not had time until 
> today to dig a little deeper. I took as my starting point the loss of 
> both receive and transmit as an indicator that the culprit would 
> likely be something common to both and given the lack of receiver 
> noise whilst the P3 panadaptor showed normal signals and band noise 
> suggested it would be after the first conversion.
>
> This suggested something in the second LO as a likely possibility and 
> with the first intent being to measure the oscillator signals. I used 
> my SDRplay RSP1 with the Steve Andrews spectrum analyser software as 
> this was handy and is easy to use. BTW, this is a great tool if you 
> have any of the RSP devices. Going to the KREF3 board between the 
> synthesisers and probing the 49.380MHz reference showed a healthy 
> signal close to 0dBm, as expected since the P3 confirmed tuning works, 
> so I moved to the output of U2 the divide by 6, hmm, nothing, nada, 
> zilch. Worries of a dead 74VHC175 with no replacement on hand was the 
> first thought but rapidly followed by my knowledge that this board had 
> not so long ago suffered a capacitor failure causing loss of the 7 
> volt transmit bias.
>
> With the KREF3 on the bench a quick measure from the 5 volt line to 
> ground showed 82 ohms after L2, 87 ohms between L1 and L2 and about 91 
> before L1. Way too low for sure. There are 3 components here C7, C19 
> and U1. Having had a 0.1uF fail on this board already I was ready to 
> bet the farm on either C7 or C19. C19 was the first to be removed and 
> I hit pay dirt right off, shoulda bought that lottery ticket today! 
> Another dud 0.1uF then. Measuring the 5v to ground showed it now at a 
> much more respectable 1.3k ohms. Replacement was with a 1206 0.1 as I 
> had done earlier with C6.
>
> Normal service is resumed. It's all back working as it should but I do 
> wonder now about the possible longevity of the other 0.1uF capacitors 
> both on this board and possibly in other parts of the radio. I count 
> 12 more on this board alone.
>
> I should mention that my K3 is an early unit, S/N 298 so I presume 
> circa 2008-ish. More than 10 years is not bad in my book and the 
> faults have been fairly straight forward. It might be surface mount 
> but it's eminently repairable.
>
>
> Martin, HS0ZED
>
>
> On 12/11/2019 19:48, Martin Sole wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> My K3 is quite an early unit, S/N 298. Recently upgraded with new 
>> synths KRX3A and KXV3, I also have a P3 connected to the radio. A 
>> while back it failed with a shorted smd capacitor on the K3REF board 
>> causing loss of TX bias voltage. Today it has lost both receive and 
>> transmit and I am thinking it might be from the same module. Here's 
>> the situation.
>>
>> Rig powers on and appears to work normally except soft noise from the 
>> speaker, no band noise to speak of and no signals. P3 shows plenty of 
>> signals, S9 plus on FT8 freqs but nothing heard other than soft 
>> noise. Tuning works as signals move in the band scope. No sub 
>> receiver signals either and no TX output. Have not checked 
>> transverter output but expect to find nothing there.
>>
>> P3 take off at IF output so everything is clearly working up to 
>> there. DSP seems to be working as width and shift cause the expected 
>> changes in audio. S meter reads dead zero, no movement.
>>
>> About the only common point I can see is the K3REF board so it would 
>> appear a second failure on this module. Since this is where I had to 
>> do earlier work I wouldn't put it past being a user inflicted fault, 
>> but that repair was a month or more ago.
>>
>> Anyone care to have a guess or share thoughts?
>>
>> Martin, HS0ZED
>
> Earlier
>
>
> Hi,
>
> So I had some success in fixing this and thought I would write it up 
> here briefly for future reference.
>
> Short version
> C6 on the K3REF module had become a 12 ohm resistor.
>
> Longer version
> Finding the 7T line only going to 3.5 volts or so was suspicious. 
> Measuring the resistance to ground of that line showed about 20 ohms 
> where the 7 volts is generated at U11 on the RF board, very 
> suspicious. The first step then was to remove any removable item that 
> has a connection to the 7T line. That's most modules in the K3. 
> Checking the resistance of the 7T line each time I removed a plug in 
> module showed the fault to be somewhere on the K3REF module. The 7T 
> line on this board goes to Q3 via R16, R8 and R9 and also to Q2 and U3 
> via L5. Measuring either side of L5 showed lower resistance on the Q2 
> and U3 side, now around 12 ohms as opposed to 14 or so at pin 3 of 
> P75. Focus then was directed at Q2 and U3 as likely culprits being 
> active devices likely more prone to failure but removing Q2 showed no 
> change nor did very carefully lifting pin8 of U3 and confirming no 
> connection to L5. That left C6 as the remaining component on that line 
> and its removal restored a much healthier 2.7k resistance to ground on 
> that line as formed by R16, R8 and R9 around Q3 noted above.
>
> I don't have any of the microscopic 0.1uF capacitors used in this 
> location, are they 0402? but I have a good selection of 1206 parts and 
> being smaller than the chokes on this board I considered it a suitable 
> change. The board mounts very close to the chassis so size is critical.
>
> All restored and the rig is back to normal working order. I don't know 
> if these capacitors are prone generally to such failures but at least 
> it was on a plug in board so easy to narrow down.
>
> So that was a fun Saturday afternoon for an hour or so, hopefully the 
> radio will keep on working well now.
>
> Martin, HS0ZED
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From happyday123 at cableone.net  Thu Nov 14 14:48:35 2019
From: happyday123 at cableone.net (Charles Patterson)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 13:48:35 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Ham Radio Deluxe and KX3/KXPA100/PX3
Message-ID: <026c01d59b24$814a5d40$83df17c0$@cableone.net>

Looking for some assistance using HRD and the KX3/KXPA100/PX3. KA0YLP
Charles 


From bwruble at gmail.com  Fri Nov 15 08:42:46 2019
From: bwruble at gmail.com (Brian F. Wruble)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 08:42:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] RemoteRig Units
In-Reply-To: <CALcvumMusEYVmvkmkOofMqw_cVtZRrsTrg+DXMncLKbXf7r1gQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+8EV6on1f7MMGsaHyMFSTYWw1rg8Qwb0tOdDgMtYmr-MS-ApQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<E624D499-B08E-42F4-83C6-D8BFD7EEE6DB@mac.com>
	<CALcvumMusEYVmvkmkOofMqw_cVtZRrsTrg+DXMncLKbXf7r1gQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+8EV6rO9DDBuDtv8L0pH47pqqMygVmwAMZnrOaPZ55XzFeJiA@mail.gmail.com>

I did purchase from Elecraft, and the jumpers were all installed.  I was up
and running in minutes.  Thanks to all who responded.

73 de Brian/W3BW

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 8:23 AM Gerry Hull <gerry.hull at gmail.com> wrote:

> The advantage of buying from Elecraft is the RRC units are preconfigured
> for K3 twins and the internal jumpers are all configured.
>
> After many years and many stations. I still believe this blows away any
> other remote setup (even though no panadapter).
>
> I use surplus Digi Portsever II IP to serial servers to give me up to 16
> serial ports that appear as local on the remote station.  You can do this
> for $50.
>
> 73,
>
> Gerry W1VE
> K3 + RRC Remote from VY1AAA, VE4EA, VE9XX, K2LE, K1IR and others...
>
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 10:38 PM Barry Baines via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
>> Brian:
>>
>> > On Sep 16, 2019, at 10:13 PM, Brian F. Wruble <bwruble at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I may need to buy another unit for my K3.  I just discovered that they
>> are
>> > no longer sold through the Elecraft website.  Is that correct?
>> >
>> > Do I buy directly from RemoteRig?  Are they available anyplace else?
>>
>> The Elecraft website still lists the Remote Rig units (RRC-1258MKII) for
>> use with the K3/0-mini with pricing but there aren?t images showing what
>> the products look like.   I was also able to add the Remote Rig 1258MKII
>> to the  website?s ?cart? so presumably that means they are still available.
>>
>> An alternative source is Ham Radio Outlet.  The last time I looked, they
>> were selling the entire line of Remote Rig products.  However, RRC-1258MKII
>> units purchased through HRO would require the user installing the proper
>> internal jumpers to work with Elecraft whereas the version offered by
>> Elecraft are preconfigured for their products.  HRO also offers the
>> RC-1216H that provides a web-based interface to remotely manage the KPA-500
>> as well as certain rotors such as the Green Heron RT-21.  I purchased two
>> RC-1216H devices - one to control my KPA-500  and the second to control my
>> Orion rotor through the Green Heron controller.  I just wish they expanded
>> their product?s capability to also manage the KAT500!
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>
>> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
>> Keller, TX
>> (Currently in Boston, MA)
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Tnx.  73 de Brian/W3BW
>> > --
>> >
>> >       *Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A.
>> >        The Conch Republic
>> > "We seceded where others failed."
>> > ______________________________________________________________
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>>
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        The Conch Republic
"We seceded where others failed."

From richarddnnr2 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 15 10:23:19 2019
From: richarddnnr2 at gmail.com (Richard Donner)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 07:23:19 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] beware phony offer
Message-ID: <CAMRhQ7Ko33NiWOSULuUb5GtJw04PRNjo+SATpbajG3XETFwxMA@mail.gmail.com>

Warning I just received an obviously fake email offer to buy Elecraft
radios at an inflated price.  a scam offer.   The offer had Elecraft logos.

From charlestropp at gmail.com  Fri Nov 15 14:16:44 2019
From: charlestropp at gmail.com (Charles Tropp)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 14:16:44 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FOR SALE: COMPLETE PRIVATE REMOTE SYSTEM FOR K3/S
Message-ID: <5dcef99d.1c69fb81.429af.12f4@mx.google.com>


From kengkopp at gmail.com  Fri Nov 15 15:25:37 2019
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 13:25:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Was there a recent ...
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTOskgiVyFTKMurbppQ09GF4GvPEmc4ze6uFEkhw1CfKrg@mail.gmail.com>

message cautioning about a reflector advertisement with very high pricing?

73

Ken - K0PP

From n6lrv at outlook.com  Fri Nov 15 17:05:54 2019
From: n6lrv at outlook.com (n6lrv at outlook.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 22:05:54 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Was there a recent ...
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTOskgiVyFTKMurbppQ09GF4GvPEmc4ze6uFEkhw1CfKrg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTOskgiVyFTKMurbppQ09GF4GvPEmc4ze6uFEkhw1CfKrg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR01MB4599EBB8E40636651AFD7904EC700@BYAPR01MB4599.prod.exchangelabs.com>

Yes.
From: Richard Donner <richarddnnr2 at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 7:23 AM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] beware phony offer

Warning I just received an obviously fake email offer to buy Elecraft
radios at an inflated price.  a scam offer.   The offer had Elecraft logos.



________________________________
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Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 12:25 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Was there a recent ...

message cautioning about a reflector advertisement with very high pricing?

73

Ken - K0PP
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From jim at rhodesend.net  Fri Nov 15 18:03:16 2019
From: jim at rhodesend.net (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 17:03:16 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] FOR SALE: COMPLETE PRIVATE REMOTE SYSTEM FOR K3/S
In-Reply-To: <5dcef99d.1c69fb81.429af.12f4@mx.google.com>
References: <5dcef99d.1c69fb81.429af.12f4@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4YPirpcK6hSpN2nNpeTxOq1zgvb1-HLkYuu=MT6Ge-rfQ@mail.gmail.com>

?

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 1:17 PM Charles Tropp <charlestropp at gmail.com>
wrote:

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From eric at elecraft.com  Fri Nov 15 18:39:38 2019
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 15:39:38 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] beware phony offer
In-Reply-To: <CAMRhQ7Ko33NiWOSULuUb5GtJw04PRNjo+SATpbajG3XETFwxMA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMRhQ7Ko33NiWOSULuUb5GtJw04PRNjo+SATpbajG3XETFwxMA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b10149cc-8664-f499-fce2-be2f98cfbe16@elecraft.com>

Hi Richard,

If the email was from sales at elecraft.co and was titled "Elecraft Special Package 
Offers"? dated 11/14/2019, and had it pictures of the KX3 and KX2 with special 
"Power Package" discount pricing, its from Elecraft and is legit.

The prices reflect loaded KX2s and KX3s with KXPA100 amp etc. We've been seeing 
an increase in orders for the KX radios with KXPA100 amps lately, so we wanted 
to promote those combinations to everyone.

It also had a discounted package of multiple Mini-module kits at the bottom.

You can also validate our marketing and newsletter emails by looking at the full 
email headers (ctrl-u in Thunderbird email readers) and search for " X-Mailer: 
MailChimp Mailer".? Mailchimp is the certified email service we use for direct 
emails to customer groups.

73,
Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 11/15/2019 7:23 AM, Richard Donner wrote:
> Warning I just received an obviously fake email offer to buy Elecraft
> radios at an inflated price.  a scam offer.   The offer had Elecraft logos.
>


From eric at elecraft.com  Fri Nov 15 19:31:15 2019
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 16:31:15 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] beware phony offer
In-Reply-To: <7f9314d9-bb0c-4f52-8bb8-416ca978b4a4@www.fastmail.com>
References: <CAMRhQ7Ko33NiWOSULuUb5GtJw04PRNjo+SATpbajG3XETFwxMA@mail.gmail.com>
	<b10149cc-8664-f499-fce2-be2f98cfbe16@elecraft.com>
	<7f9314d9-bb0c-4f52-8bb8-416ca978b4a4@www.fastmail.com>
Message-ID: <1bff1499-6ca3-6219-3d7d-c5877867afff@elecraft.com>

Yes (typo). sales at elecraft.com is the correct address.
Thanks for the heads up!

73,
Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 11/15/2019 4:15 PM, Jay Rutherford wrote:
> Hi Eric,
>
> Don't you mean sales at elecraft.com and not sales at elecraft.co?  I know ".co" is sometimes used in the UK, but I think you were referring to the recent Elecraft ad for power packages and mini-modules.
>
> 73
> Jay K3BH
> ===

> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, at 18:39, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
>> Hi Richard,
>>
>> If the email was from sales at elecraft.co and was titled "Elecraft
>> Special Package
>> Offers"? dated 11/14/2019, and had it pictures of the KX3 and KX2 with
>> special
>> "Power Package" discount pricing, its from Elecraft and is legit.
>>
>> The prices reflect loaded KX2s and KX3s with KXPA100 amp etc. We've been seeing
>> an increase in orders for the KX radios with KXPA100 amps lately, so we wanted
>> to promote those combinations to everyone.
>>
>> It also had a discounted package of multiple Mini-module kits at the bottom.
>>
>> You can also validate our marketing and newsletter emails by looking at
>> the full
>> email headers (ctrl-u in Thunderbird email readers) and search for "
>> X-Mailer:
>> MailChimp Mailer".? Mailchimp is the certified email service we use for
>> direct
>> emails to customer groups.
>>
>> 73,
>> Eric
>> /elecraft.com/
>>
>> On 11/15/2019 7:23 AM, Richard Donner wrote:
>>> Warning I just received an obviously fake email offer to buy Elecraft
>>> radios at an inflated price.  a scam offer.   The offer had Elecraft logos.
>>>
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From rbardsley at gmail.com  Sat Nov 16 14:25:42 2019
From: rbardsley at gmail.com (Ryan Scott Bardsley)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 14:25:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] How to raise TEXT decoding threshold on PX3
Message-ID: <23EE8759-25FD-4F69-BABD-DDF710AE1FAC@gmail.com>

Hello,

I am a new Elecraft convert and have a KX3 with a PX3 attached. I have been using it as my portable setup for (mostly) digital work from my hotel room when I travel. I have been using it for PSK31 and am loving its capabilities as a complete solution in a tiny package. It has been working great.

I am wondering how I can reduce the erroneous translation errors that seem to show up on the PX3 when I am not receiving a strong signal. Is there the equivalent of a ?text decode threshold? or ?decode squelch? that I can raise a bit to get those pesky ?Es? to go away?

Many thanks,

Ryan / N1CDX

From glcazzola at alice.it  Sat Nov 16 15:14:38 2019
From: glcazzola at alice.it (IK4EWX)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 13:14:38 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft web site off?
Message-ID: <1573935278665-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

At least in these two last days its impossibile for me to access Elecraft web
site.
Does other have the same problem? Is it really off?
Ian IK4EWX



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From donovanf at starpower.net  Sat Nov 16 15:20:28 2019
From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 15:20:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft web site off?
In-Reply-To: <1573935278665-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <968172242.8188793.1573935628408.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>

No problem accessing the Elecraft web pages here... 

----- Original Message -----

From: "IK4EWX" <glcazzola at alice.it> 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 8:14:38 PM 
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft web site off? 

At least in these two last days its impossibile for me to access Elecraft web 
site. 
Does other have the same problem? Is it really off? 
Ian IK4EWX 



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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Nov 16 15:22:10 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 15:22:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft web site off?
In-Reply-To: <1573935278665-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1573935278665-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <00af9d99-b6fc-02b1-59f6-ec055396ff3c@embarqmail.com>

Ian,

All is fine here in North Carolina.

Don W3FPR

On 11/16/2019 3:14 PM, IK4EWX wrote:
> At least in these two last days its impossibile for me to access Elecraft web
> site.
> Does other have the same problem? Is it really off?
> Ian IK4EWX

From rich at wc3t.us  Sat Nov 16 15:30:27 2019
From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 15:30:27 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft web site off?
In-Reply-To: <00af9d99-b6fc-02b1-59f6-ec055396ff3c@embarqmail.com>
References: <1573935278665-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<00af9d99-b6fc-02b1-59f6-ec055396ff3c@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABYU7WjLPLJh-i6frMzC5SaWE-uYiwv2_uX58Fe5wATqXbgF7Q@mail.gmail.com>

Likewise in Pennsylvania.

On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 15:22 Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Ian,
>
> All is fine here in North Carolina.
>
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 11/16/2019 3:14 PM, IK4EWX wrote:
> > At least in these two last days its impossibile for me to access
> Elecraft web
> > site.
> > Does other have the same problem? Is it really off?
> > Ian IK4EWX
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Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988  (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid:
*FN20is*

From w9ac at arrl.net  Sat Nov 16 15:35:59 2019
From: w9ac at arrl.net (Paul Christensen)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 15:35:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] RemoteRig Units
Message-ID: <002201d59cbd$753fdfd0$5fbf9f70$@arrl.net>

> "After many years and many stations. I still believe this blows away any
> other remote setup (even though no panadapter)."

After nearly four years of trying many RRC settings, I've given up on the
RRC's CW capability.  Periodic RRC firmware updates have been of no help.   

It's not the manner in which CW is generated, but that very brief packet
loss results in missed character elements.  That same packet loss does not
affect CW with a pair of synchronized Winkeyer USB devices when used with
K1EL's WKRemote software.  His software generates paddle commands as
complete characters rather than real-time dits and dahs.  The result is that
the transmission of each formed letter is delayed by the time it takes to
create a character, but one can still hear the receiver between keyed
elements.  So, break-in is not lost.  CW keyboard, Winkeyer message buttons,
and macro commands are not delayed and are transmitted in real time. 

I have access to several pinging tools including Ping Plotter software.
Pings are clean to and from the site without packet loss and excessive
jitter.  For some reason, packets are lost in the RRC.  It occurs enough to
be distracting to the station on the other end of a QSO.  My feeling is that
it's better to live with slight character latency than have garbled
characters.  So far, the synchronized Winkeyers have been 100% reliable for
CW.  

Paul, W9AC


From rich at wc3t.us  Sat Nov 16 15:47:40 2019
From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 15:47:40 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] How to raise TEXT decoding threshold on PX3
In-Reply-To: <23EE8759-25FD-4F69-BABD-DDF710AE1FAC@gmail.com>
References: <23EE8759-25FD-4F69-BABD-DDF710AE1FAC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABYU7Wg12oEgjjne1E2-OdPyjcwcVixH7ioeH6Z-=V9kRSqyWA@mail.gmail.com>

Have a look at the "Text Decode and Display" section in the manual on page
19.

On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 2:25 PM Ryan Scott Bardsley <rbardsley at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am a new Elecraft convert and have a KX3 with a PX3 attached. I have
> been using it as my portable setup for (mostly) digital work from my hotel
> room when I travel. I have been using it for PSK31 and am loving its
> capabilities as a complete solution in a tiny package. It has been working
> great.
>
> I am wondering how I can reduce the erroneous translation errors that seem
> to show up on the PX3 when I am not receiving a strong signal. Is there the
> equivalent of a ?text decode threshold? or ?decode squelch? that I can
> raise a bit to get those pesky ?Es? to go away?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Ryan / N1CDX
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Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988  (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid:
*FN20is*

From oldgun92 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 16 15:57:43 2019
From: oldgun92 at gmail.com (oldgun92 at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 20:57:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 for sale
References: <1224168254.1968801.1573937863552.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1224168254.1968801.1573937863552@mail.yahoo.com>

Rig installed in radio-set-go pelican box the radio was factory built by Elecraft and includes ATU and clock. this unit comes with the flexible mic and without a key. Never used in the field or near tobacco. I paid over 600.00 for the radio-set -go by itself. I also will send the KX2 battery and charger and the charger for the installed battery. Price 1200.00 in conus by priority mail pics on request.AK4JL





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From radioprincegeorge at gmail.com  Sat Nov 16 16:37:50 2019
From: radioprincegeorge at gmail.com (Don Pomplun)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 16:37:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S stuck on MCU LD - solved
Message-ID: <29fb8ddb-d5c4-8c81-ba2b-30f89513321e@gmail.com>

Yup, Everything unplugged from K3S including antennas, and even the 
mic.? When it was plugged into the PC's USB port, it would beep and 
Device Manager screen would refresh and add a COM port.? I received a 
few direct emails with suggestions.? I called CS and was waiting for a 
return call, figuring it was RMA time.? Mid afternoon an email from Don 
Wilhelm suggested connecting the K3S via its RS232 port rather than its 
USB, using the appropriate adapters. Worked on the first try!? It also 
appears that the rig's USB port is OK since it communicates with N1MM+ 
OK.? Case solved, though it's still not apparent what the
problem was.? TNX to all.


From johna at arnoldassoc.com  Sat Nov 16 16:52:57 2019
From: johna at arnoldassoc.com (John Arnold)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 13:52:57 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 option K60XV WTB
Message-ID: <19CBEA81-2A26-4B18-A6F5-A94A890B5215@arnoldassoc.com>

I?m looking for a K60XV for my K2.  Kit or built. Pse contact me off list. 
72/73, John WA6YSY

Sent from my iPhone

From kevinr at coho.net  Sat Nov 16 23:28:53 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 20:28:53 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <3aface68-9b1b-2371-28fd-fe0b26c128eb@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? Loggers moved in early Monday.? Today I am hearing the beeping like 
after a CW contest.? Each time the harvester moves forward or backward 
there are a series of blasts from the air-horn.? The logger told me it 
is fed directly from the hydraulic cooling system's air pumps.? Luckily 
he is done with the wood nearest the house.? That means it will be 
quieter next week. Here is a link to the harvester he is using. 
https://www.barko.com/products/tracked-harvesters/? With this machine he 
is cutting, limbing, and bucking to length about one tree a minute.? If 
the log he is cutting is unmarketable he bucks it up for firewood.? 
There is no way I will ever be able to use it all.

 ?? A note on our Elecraft CW Net exchange.? Since it is a directed net 
I call for check ins then work each in order.? I send a signal report 
and pass control to the operator.? They send me a signal report and 
whatever it is they want to talk about and then pass control back to 
me.? Weather is simple and often gets mentioned.? Snow, ice, hail, 
floods, earthquakes, tornadoes, forest fires, etc have been described.? 
Crop reports, pets, kids, and travel too.? Occasionally a new antenna 
will get checked. Other times a new piece of gear will get tested.? We 
did hear the 1500 watt amp first-hand quite early in its history.? As 
the KX1, K3, KX2, and KX3 came along they got checked in too.

 ?? Operators have used the legal limit down to milliwatts to get my 
attention.? My ears were tested at both ends of that spectrum :)? Some 
folks like to practice copying faster code so they follow along.? I get 
many comments about net reports and how they could hear me even if they 
did not check in.? I have never closed any of the nets; I think that 
would be presumptuous.? At the end of every net I send QNF which means 
there is a free net.? I normally am off the air at that point but I do 
leave the radio on and can hear further exchanges.? It has been fun for 
many years.

 ?? There was another short lived sunspot from cycle 25 this week.? 
That's two in less than a month.? I sense a trend.? Maybe this spring 
we'll see a flowering of new spots.

Please join us tomorrow on:

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday? (2 PM PST Sunday)
 ?7047 kHz at 0000z Monday? (4 PM PST Sunday)

73,

 ?? Kevin. KD5ONS

-


From oz6abm at qsl.net  Sun Nov 17 00:26:23 2019
From: oz6abm at qsl.net (oz6abm at qsl.net)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 06:26:23 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange CW from K2, K3 or KX3 ?
Message-ID: <000001d59d07$8db35610$a91a0230$@qsl.net>

Hi,

 

I recently had a battery pack issue with my K2. Replaced the battery and all seems OK.

Noticing that the Clock function said the battery on the PCB was not powering I also replaced that (twice) ? still the EE-EE-EEEE message is displayed.

 

But most strange is that one of the radios, and I suspect it is the K2, gives a very low volume yet audible CW message that says something like HMS 

This happens every few minutes, and I have searched and searched and found nothing about it?

Any ideas?

 

73

Robin

OZ6ABM


From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sun Nov 17 00:31:00 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 00:31:00 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange CW from K2, K3 or KX3 ?
In-Reply-To: <000001d59d07$8db35610$a91a0230$@qsl.net>
References: <000001d59d07$8db35610$a91a0230$@qsl.net>
Message-ID: <AAA694F3-84F5-4CAB-B36A-2D208BA95C06@widomaker.com>

Maybe Hours Minutes Seconds?  Something to do with a clock?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Nov 17, 2019, at 12:28 AM, oz6abm at qsl.net wrote:
> 
> ?Hi,
> 
> 
> 
> I recently had a battery pack issue with my K2. Replaced the battery and all seems OK.
> 
> Noticing that the Clock function said the battery on the PCB was not powering I also replaced that (twice) ? still the EE-EE-EEEE message is displayed.
> 
> 
> 
> But most strange is that one of the radios, and I suspect it is the K2, gives a very low volume yet audible CW message that says something like HMS 
> 
> This happens every few minutes, and I have searched and searched and found nothing about it?
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> 
> 
> 73
> 
> Robin
> 
> OZ6ABM
> 
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From charlestropp at gmail.com  Sun Nov 17 07:28:08 2019
From: charlestropp at gmail.com (Charles Tropp)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 07:28:08 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FOR SALE: COMPLETE PRIVATE REMOTE SYSTEM FOR K3/S
Message-ID: <5dd13cda.1c69fb81.4ffe1.0418@mx.google.com>


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Nov 17 08:38:32 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 08:38:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange CW from K2, K3 or KX3 ?
In-Reply-To: <000001d59d07$8db35610$a91a0230$@qsl.net>
References: <000001d59d07$8db35610$a91a0230$@qsl.net>
Message-ID: <f54fae6a-217e-dbd8-a567-c87d5dd41092@embarqmail.com>

Robin,

That messsage is displayed when the small clock battery has been 
replaced and the clock has not yet been set.

If you have the KAF2, see the KAF2 manual for the clock setting 
procedure - follow the instructions EXACTLY.  You must set the date 
before the time.

If you have the KDSP2, follow the instructions in the KDSP2 manual.

Manuals can be downloaded from the Elecraft website if you do not have a 
printed copy.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/17/2019 12:26 AM, oz6abm at qsl.net wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>   
> 
> I recently had a battery pack issue with my K2. Replaced the battery and all seems OK.
> 
> Noticing that the Clock function said the battery on the PCB was not powering I also replaced that (twice) ? still the EE-EE-EEEE message is displayed.
> 
>   
> 
> But most strange is that one of the radios, and I suspect it is the K2, gives a very low volume yet audible CW message that says something like HMS
> 
> This happens every few minutes, and I have searched and searched and found nothing about it?
> 
> Any ideas?

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sun Nov 17 09:58:40 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 08:58:40 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 SWR Calibration
In-Reply-To: <3aface68-9b1b-2371-28fd-fe0b26c128eb@coho.net>
References: <3aface68-9b1b-2371-28fd-fe0b26c128eb@coho.net>
Message-ID: <0eaa54b4-1482-a4f2-b1c3-e0ed29c35795@blomand.net>

I need to null the SWR detector on my KPA500.?? I've not found any 
adjustment procedure as such.?? And from the schematic, there is none.

I do have a rather precise Bird 50.5 ohm dummy load.? I see SWR values 
higher than 1:1 on the LED display and also on the LCD display on higher 
frequency bands.?? I've found that the PWR ADJ does affect not only the 
indicated power but the FAULT values as well.?? I am suspect that the? 
SWR error likewise affects the Fault actions.

Any thoughts?

73

Bob, K4TAX





From jackbrindle at me.com  Sun Nov 17 11:12:00 2019
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 08:12:00 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 SWR Calibration
In-Reply-To: <0eaa54b4-1482-a4f2-b1c3-e0ed29c35795@blomand.net>
References: <3aface68-9b1b-2371-28fd-fe0b26c128eb@coho.net>
	<0eaa54b4-1482-a4f2-b1c3-e0ed29c35795@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <CE8D16F8-FD90-4C3F-AC7F-485DB404D756@me.com>

Bob;

The KPA500 does not use a Breune style bridge, but rather a true directional coupler. It does not need to be nulled; there is no adjustment.

There is an adjustment for the power; see the PWR ADJ setting in the manual.

73!
Jack, W6FB


> On Nov 17, 2019, at 6:58 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> 
> I need to null the SWR detector on my KPA500.   I've not found any adjustment procedure as such.   And from the schematic, there is none.
> 
> I do have a rather precise Bird 50.5 ohm dummy load.  I see SWR values higher than 1:1 on the LED display and also on the LCD display on higher frequency bands.   I've found that the PWR ADJ does affect not only the indicated power but the FAULT values as well.   I am suspect that the  SWR error likewise affects the Fault actions.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Nov 17 13:59:23 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 10:59:23 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Elecraft CW Net Announcement
In-Reply-To: <3aface68-9b1b-2371-28fd-fe0b26c128eb@coho.net>
References: <3aface68-9b1b-2371-28fd-fe0b26c128eb@coho.net>
Message-ID: <9e195a71-0a2c-04e6-085d-66273fec5565@coho.net>

This message never got posted on the Elecraft reflector.? I sent it last 
night but it never showed up.

 ?? Kevin.? KD5ONS




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Date: 	Sat, 16 Nov 2019 20:28:53 -0800
From: 	kevinr <kevinr at coho.net>
To: 	elecraft at mailman.qth.net



Good Evening,

 ?? Loggers moved in early Monday.? Today I am hearing the beeping like 
after a CW contest.? Each time the harvester moves forward or backward 
there are a series of blasts from the air-horn.? The logger told me it 
is fed directly from the hydraulic cooling system's air pumps.? Luckily 
he is done with the wood nearest the house.? That means it will be 
quieter next week. Here is a link to the harvester he is using. 
https://www.barko.com/products/tracked-harvesters/? With this machine he 
is cutting, limbing, and bucking to length about one tree a minute.? If 
the log he is cutting is unmarketable he bucks it up for firewood.? 
There is no way I will ever be able to use it all.

 ?? A note on our Elecraft CW Net exchange.? Since it is a directed net 
I call for check ins then work each in order.? I send a signal report 
and pass control to the operator.? They send me a signal report and 
whatever it is they want to talk about and then pass control back to 
me.? Weather is simple and often gets mentioned. Snow, ice, hail, 
floods, earthquakes, tornadoes, forest fires, etc have been described.? 
Crop reports, pets, kids, and travel too. Occasionally a new antenna 
will get checked. Other times a new piece of gear will get tested.? We 
did hear the 1500 watt amp first-hand quite early in its history.? As 
the KX1, K3, KX2, and KX3 came along they got checked in too.

 ?? Operators have used the legal limit down to milliwatts to get my 
attention.? My ears were tested at both ends of that spectrum :)? Some 
folks like to practice copying faster code so they follow along.? I get 
many comments about net reports and how they could hear me even if they 
did not check in.? I have never closed any of the nets; I think that 
would be presumptuous.? At the end of every net I send QNF which means 
there is a free net.? I normally am off the air at that point but I do 
leave the radio on and can hear further exchanges.? It has been fun for 
many years.

 ?? There was another short lived sunspot from cycle 25 this week. 
That's two in less than a month.? I sense a trend.? Maybe this spring 
we'll see a flowering of new spots.

Please join us tomorrow on:

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday? (2 PM PST Sunday)
 ?7047 kHz at 0000z Monday? (4 PM PST Sunday)

73,

 ?? Kevin. KD5ONS

-


From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Nov 17 14:01:41 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 11:01:41 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector email problems
Message-ID: <3d1f4060-528c-0b68-9e6c-409a02ddc7cd@coho.net>

I have not seen any of the messages I have sent to the Reflector posted 
in the last two days.

Is there a problem with the Reflector?

 ?? Kevin.? KD5ONS



From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Nov 17 14:02:38 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 11:02:38 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement 4th attempt
Message-ID: <58196f38-9ae7-bc08-3275-817d0ba85585@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? Loggers moved in early Monday.? Today I am hearing the beeping like 
after a CW contest.? Each time the harvester moves forward or backward 
there are a series of blasts from the air-horn.? The logger told me it 
is fed directly from the hydraulic cooling system's air pumps.? Luckily 
he is done with the wood nearest the house.? That means it will be 
quieter next week. Here is a link to the harvester he is using. 
https://www.barko.com/products/tracked-harvesters/ With this machine he 
is cutting, limbing, and bucking to length about one tree a minute.? If 
the log he is cutting is unmarketable he bucks it up for firewood.? 
There is no way I will ever be able to use it all.

 ?? A note on our Elecraft CW Net exchange.? Since it is a directed net 
I call for check ins then work each in order.? I send a signal report 
and pass control to the operator.? They send me a signal report and 
whatever it is they want to talk about and then pass control back to 
me.? Weather is simple and often gets mentioned. Snow, ice, hail, 
floods, earthquakes, tornadoes, forest fires, etc have been described.? 
Crop reports, pets, kids, and travel too. Occasionally a new antenna 
will get checked. Other times a new piece of gear will get tested.? We 
did hear the 1500 watt amp first-hand quite early in its history.? As 
the KX1, K3, KX2, and KX3 came along they got checked in too.

 ?? Operators have used the legal limit down to milliwatts to get my 
attention.? My ears were tested at both ends of that spectrum ? Some 
folks like to practice copying faster code so they follow along.? I get 
many comments about net reports and how they could hear me even if they 
did not check in.? I have never closed any of the nets; I think that 
would be presumptuous.? At the end of every net I send QNF which means 
there is a free net.? I normally am off the air at that point but I do 
leave the radio on and can hear further exchanges.? It has been fun for 
many years.

 ?? There was another short lived sunspot from cycle 25 this week. 
That's two in less than a month.? I sense a trend.? Maybe this spring 
we'll see a flowering of new spots.

Please join us tomorrow on:

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday? (2 PM PST Sunday)
 ?7047 kHz at 0000z Monday? (4 PM PST Sunday)

73,

 ?? Kevin. KD5ONS

-


From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Nov 17 14:03:36 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 11:03:36 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement test SIX
Message-ID: <ade84a2f-a098-d4d8-263f-8328cd0fca39@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? Loggers moved in early Monday.? Today I am hearing the beeping like 
after a CW contest.? Each time the harvester moves forward or backward 
there are a series of blasts from the air-horn.? The logger told me it 
is fed directly from the hydraulic cooling system's air pumps.? Luckily 
he is done with the wood nearest the house.? That means it will be 
quieter next week. Here is a link to the harvester he is using. 
https://www.barko.com/products/tracked-harvesters/ With this machine he 
is cutting, limbing, and bucking to length about one tree a minute.? If 
the log he is cutting is unmarketable he bucks it up for firewood.? 
There is no way I will ever be able to use it all.

 ?? A note on our Elecraft CW Net exchange.? Since it is a directed net 
I call for check ins then work each in order.? I send a signal report 
and pass control to the operator.? They send me a signal report and 
whatever it is they want to talk about and then pass control back to 
me.? Weather is simple and often gets mentioned. Snow, ice, hail, 
floods, earthquakes, tornadoes, forest fires, etc have been described.? 
Crop reports, pets, kids, and travel too. Occasionally a new antenna 
will get checked. Other times a new piece of gear will get tested.? We 
did hear the 1500 watt amp first-hand quite early in its history.? As 
the KX1, K3, KX2, and KX3 came along they got checked in too.

 ?? Operators have used the legal limit down to milliwatts to get my 
attention.? My ears were tested at both ends of that spectrum ? Some 
folks like to practice copying faster code so they follow along.? I get 
many comments about net reports and how they could hear me even if they 
did not check in.? I have never closed any of the nets; I think that 
would be presumptuous.? At the end of every net I send QNF which means 
there is a free net.? I normally am off the air at that point but I do 
leave the radio on and can hear further exchanges.? It has been fun for 
many years.

 ?? There was another short lived sunspot from cycle 25 this week. 
That's two in less than a month.? I sense a trend.? Maybe this spring 
we'll see a flowering of new spots.

Please join us tomorrow on:

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday? (2 PM PST Sunday)
 ?7047 kHz at 0000z Monday? (4 PM PST Sunday)

73,

 ?? Kevin. KD5ONS

-


From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Nov 17 14:04:11 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 11:04:11 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Test test test test
Message-ID: <b4355354-7a03-55ee-cdf6-5d79b62d6a17@coho.net>

Will this email get posted on the Reflector?

Kevin.? KD5ONS

-


From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Nov 17 14:05:07 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 11:05:07 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector email problems
In-Reply-To: <3d1f4060-528c-0b68-9e6c-409a02ddc7cd@coho.net>
References: <3d1f4060-528c-0b68-9e6c-409a02ddc7cd@coho.net>
Message-ID: <2c8fba53-5b4e-9157-90d7-a239814d40ca@coho.net>

Well that test worked so I will hook the original message to this one.


Good Evening,

 ?? Loggers moved in early Monday.? Today I am hearing the beeping like 
after a CW contest.? Each time the harvester moves forward or backward 
there are a series of blasts from the air-horn.? The logger told me it 
is fed directly from the hydraulic cooling system's air pumps.? Luckily 
he is done with the wood nearest the house.? That means it will be 
quieter next week. Here is a link to the harvester he is using. 
https://www.barko.com/products/tracked-harvesters/ With this machine he 
is cutting, limbing, and bucking to length about one tree a minute.? If 
the log he is cutting is unmarketable he bucks it up for firewood.? 
There is no way I will ever be able to use it all.

 ?? A note on our Elecraft CW Net exchange.? Since it is a directed net 
I call for check ins then work each in order.? I send a signal report 
and pass control to the operator.? They send me a signal report and 
whatever it is they want to talk about and then pass control back to 
me.? Weather is simple and often gets mentioned. Snow, ice, hail, 
floods, earthquakes, tornadoes, forest fires, etc have been described.? 
Crop reports, pets, kids, and travel too. Occasionally a new antenna 
will get checked. Other times a new piece of gear will get tested.? We 
did hear the 1500 watt amp first-hand quite early in its history.? As 
the KX1, K3, KX2, and KX3 came along they got checked in too.

 ?? Operators have used the legal limit down to milliwatts to get my 
attention.? My ears were tested at both ends of that spectrum ? Some 
folks like to practice copying faster code so they follow along.? I get 
many comments about net reports and how they could hear me even if they 
did not check in.? I have never closed any of the nets; I think that 
would be presumptuous.? At the end of every net I send QNF which means 
there is a free net.? I normally am off the air at that point but I do 
leave the radio on and can hear further exchanges.? It has been fun for 
many years.

 ?? There was another short lived sunspot from cycle 25 this week. 
That's two in less than a month.? I sense a trend.? Maybe this spring 
we'll see a flowering of new spots.

Please join us tomorrow on:

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday? (2 PM PST Sunday)
 ?7047 kHz at 0000z Monday? (4 PM PST Sunday)

73,

 ?? Kevin. KD5ONS

-




On 11/17/19 11:01 AM, kevinr wrote:
> I have not seen any of the messages I have sent to the Reflector 
> posted in the last two days.
>
> Is there a problem with the Reflector?
>
> ?? Kevin.? KD5ONS
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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>
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> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> Message delivered to kevinr at coho.net 

From hidron at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 17 14:05:56 2019
From: hidron at hotmail.com (John Hiatt)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 19:05:56 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Elecraft CW Net Announcement
In-Reply-To: <9e195a71-0a2c-04e6-085d-66273fec5565@coho.net>
References: <3aface68-9b1b-2371-28fd-fe0b26c128eb@coho.net>,
	<9e195a71-0a2c-04e6-085d-66273fec5565@coho.net>
Message-ID: <MWHPR11MB12463702332069764ABA1448D9720@MWHPR11MB1246.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

It came into my inbox last night, so it did get posted.

John, KC7DRI


________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of kevinr <kevinr at coho.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 10:59 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Elecraft CW Net Announcement

This message never got posted on the Elecraft reflector.  I sent it last
night but it never showed up.

    Kevin.  KD5ONS




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject:         Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Date:    Sat, 16 Nov 2019 20:28:53 -0800
From:    kevinr <kevinr at coho.net>
To:      elecraft at mailman.qth.net



Good Evening,

    Loggers moved in early Monday.  Today I am hearing the beeping like
after a CW contest.  Each time the harvester moves forward or backward
there are a series of blasts from the air-horn.  The logger told me it
is fed directly from the hydraulic cooling system's air pumps.  Luckily
he is done with the wood nearest the house.  That means it will be
quieter next week. Here is a link to the harvester he is using.
https://www.barko.com/products/tracked-harvesters/  With this machine he
is cutting, limbing, and bucking to length about one tree a minute.  If
the log he is cutting is unmarketable he bucks it up for firewood.
There is no way I will ever be able to use it all.

    A note on our Elecraft CW Net exchange.  Since it is a directed net
I call for check ins then work each in order.  I send a signal report
and pass control to the operator.  They send me a signal report and
whatever it is they want to talk about and then pass control back to
me.  Weather is simple and often gets mentioned. Snow, ice, hail,
floods, earthquakes, tornadoes, forest fires, etc have been described.
Crop reports, pets, kids, and travel too. Occasionally a new antenna
will get checked. Other times a new piece of gear will get tested.  We
did hear the 1500 watt amp first-hand quite early in its history.  As
the KX1, K3, KX2, and KX3 came along they got checked in too.

    Operators have used the legal limit down to milliwatts to get my
attention.  My ears were tested at both ends of that spectrum :)  Some
folks like to practice copying faster code so they follow along.  I get
many comments about net reports and how they could hear me even if they
did not check in.  I have never closed any of the nets; I think that
would be presumptuous.  At the end of every net I send QNF which means
there is a free net.  I normally am off the air at that point but I do
leave the radio on and can hear further exchanges.  It has been fun for
many years.

    There was another short lived sunspot from cycle 25 this week.
That's two in less than a month.  I sense a trend.  Maybe this spring
we'll see a flowering of new spots.

Please join us tomorrow on:

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday  (2 PM PST Sunday)
  7047 kHz at 0000z Monday  (4 PM PST Sunday)

73,

    Kevin. KD5ONS

-

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From elecraftcovers at gmail.com  Sun Nov 17 14:07:19 2019
From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 12:07:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft]  Reflector email problems
In-Reply-To: <3d1f4060-528c-0b68-9e6c-409a02ddc7cd@coho.net>
References: <3d1f4060-528c-0b68-9e6c-409a02ddc7cd@coho.net>
Message-ID: <CAK+fsRXcgnT7gsi67qcwcMWqpOJN8N9bYzOxikp4kr+n0=TtDQ@mail.gmail.com>

FWIW, I'm not aware of missing postings, including yours.

All appears normal here.

73

Ken - K0PP

On Sun, Nov 17, 2019, 12:01 kevinr <kevinr at coho.net> wrote:

> I have not seen any of the messages I have sent to the Reflector posted
> in the last two days.
>
> Is there a problem with the Reflector?
>
>     Kevin.  KD5ONS
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Nov 17 14:09:40 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 11:09:40 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector email problems
In-Reply-To: <CAK+fsRXcgnT7gsi67qcwcMWqpOJN8N9bYzOxikp4kr+n0=TtDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3d1f4060-528c-0b68-9e6c-409a02ddc7cd@coho.net>
	<CAK+fsRXcgnT7gsi67qcwcMWqpOJN8N9bYzOxikp4kr+n0=TtDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ba7b23ad-1fb9-1bc0-0419-39b98b0f1312@coho.net>

Were you able to see my net announcement either from last night or today?

 ?? 73,?? Kevin.


On 11/17/19 11:07 AM, Rose wrote:
> FWIW, I'm not aware of missing postings, including yours.
>
> All appears normal here.
>
> 73
>
> Ken - K0PP
>
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2019, 12:01 kevinr <kevinr at coho.net 
> <mailto:kevinr at coho.net>> wrote:
>
>     I have not seen any of the messages I have sent to the Reflector
>     posted
>     in the last two days.
>
>     Is there a problem with the Reflector?
>
>     ??? Kevin.? KD5ONS
>
>
>     ______________________________________________________________
>     Elecraft mailing list
>     Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>     Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>     Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>     <mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>
>     This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>     Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>     Message delivered to elecraftcovers at gmail.com
>     <mailto:elecraftcovers at gmail.com> 
>

From elecraftcovers at gmail.com  Sun Nov 17 14:09:48 2019
From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 12:09:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Test test test test
In-Reply-To: <b4355354-7a03-55ee-cdf6-5d79b62d6a17@coho.net>
References: <b4355354-7a03-55ee-cdf6-5d79b62d6a17@coho.net>
Message-ID: <CAK+fsRXkXmJYb_T2KHCF6ycWMogcUn9ir=ree7B2NnUR84Mk3A@mail.gmail.com>

Got this one ... and previous ... OK.



On Sun, Nov 17, 2019, 12:07 kevinr <kevinr at coho.net> wrote:

> Will this email get posted on the Reflector?
>
> Kevin.  KD5ONS
>
> -
>
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Nov 17 14:10:40 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 11:10:40 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Test test test test
In-Reply-To: <b4355354-7a03-55ee-cdf6-5d79b62d6a17@coho.net>
References: <b4355354-7a03-55ee-cdf6-5d79b62d6a17@coho.net>
Message-ID: <3de0002a-3ab4-be83-b539-276ff37c3ef6@coho.net>

I am getting short emails posted but never the announcements

 ?? Kevin.? KD5ONS


On 11/17/19 11:04 AM, kevinr wrote:
> Will this email get posted on the Reflector?
>
> Kevin.? KD5ONS
>
> -
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From elecraftcovers at gmail.com  Sun Nov 17 14:11:33 2019
From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 12:11:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector email problems
In-Reply-To: <ba7b23ad-1fb9-1bc0-0419-39b98b0f1312@coho.net>
References: <3d1f4060-528c-0b68-9e6c-409a02ddc7cd@coho.net>
	<CAK+fsRXcgnT7gsi67qcwcMWqpOJN8N9bYzOxikp4kr+n0=TtDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<ba7b23ad-1fb9-1bc0-0419-39b98b0f1312@coho.net>
Message-ID: <CAK+fsRWUcbPe8TwA_qe5iMG0073Z89_6yshwnoL-kp-_vOmAiA@mail.gmail.com>

Yes ... all seems to be working.

K0PP

On Sun, Nov 17, 2019, 12:09 kevinr <kevinr at coho.net> wrote:

> Were you able to see my net announcement either from last night or today?
>
>    73,   Kevin.
>
>
> On 11/17/19 11:07 AM, Rose wrote:
>
> FWIW, I'm not aware of missing postings, including yours.
>
> All appears normal here.
>
> 73
>
> Ken - K0PP
>
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2019, 12:01 kevinr <kevinr at coho.net> wrote:
>
>> I have not seen any of the messages I have sent to the Reflector posted
>> in the last two days.
>>
>> Is there a problem with the Reflector?
>>
>>     Kevin.  KD5ONS
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>
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>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>> Message delivered to elecraftcovers at gmail.com
>
>

From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Nov 17 14:12:27 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 11:12:27 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement part one
Message-ID: <9fdee694-b869-4fc0-dfa4-51d374772ea5@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? Loggers moved in early Monday.? Today I am hearing the beeping like 
after a CW contest.? Each time the harvester moves forward or backward 
there are a series of blasts from the air-horn.? The logger told me it 
is fed directly from the hydraulic cooling system's air pumps.? Luckily 
he is done with the wood nearest the house.? That means it will be 
quieter next week. Here is a link to the harvester he is using. 
https://www.barko.com/products/tracked-harvesters/ With this machine he 
is cutting, limbing, and bucking to length about one tree a minute.? If 
the log he is cutting is unmarketable he bucks it up for firewood.? 
There is no way I will ever be able to use it all.


From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Nov 17 14:13:04 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 11:13:04 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement part two
Message-ID: <60cbee32-49f7-d418-5a78-331bb24f0875@coho.net>


 ?? A note on our Elecraft CW Net exchange.? Since it is a directed net 
I call for check ins then work each in order.? I send a signal report 
and pass control to the operator.? They send me a signal report and 
whatever it is they want to talk about and then pass control back to 
me.? Weather is simple and often gets mentioned. Snow, ice, hail, 
floods, earthquakes, tornadoes, forest fires, etc have been described.? 
Crop reports, pets, kids, and travel too. Occasionally a new antenna 
will get checked. Other times a new piece of gear will get tested.? We 
did hear the 1500 watt amp first-hand quite early in its history.? As 
the KX1, K3, KX2, and KX3 came along they got checked in too.

 ?? Operators have used the legal limit down to milliwatts to get my 
attention.? My ears were tested at both ends of that spectrum ? Some 
folks like to practice copying faster code so they follow along.? I get 
many comments about net reports and how they could hear me even if they 
did not check in.? I have never closed any of the nets; I think that 
would be presumptuous.? At the end of every net I send QNF which means 
there is a free net.? I normally am off the air at that point but I do 
leave the radio on and can hear further exchanges.? It has been fun for 
many years.


From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Nov 17 14:13:31 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 11:13:31 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement part three
Message-ID: <37da266f-6f02-2c3d-ec20-082275e4e8cc@coho.net>


 ?? There was another short lived sunspot from cycle 25 this week. 
That's two in less than a month.? I sense a trend.? Maybe this spring 
we'll see a flowering of new spots.

Please join us tomorrow on:

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday? (2 PM PST Sunday)
 ?7047 kHz at 0000z Monday? (4 PM PST Sunday)

73,

 ?? Kevin. KD5ONS

-


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sun Nov 17 14:19:50 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 13:19:50 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 SWR Calibration
In-Reply-To: <CE8D16F8-FD90-4C3F-AC7F-485DB404D756@me.com>
References: <3aface68-9b1b-2371-28fd-fe0b26c128eb@coho.net>
	<0eaa54b4-1482-a4f2-b1c3-e0ed29c35795@blomand.net>
	<CE8D16F8-FD90-4C3F-AC7F-485DB404D756@me.com>
Message-ID: <4ba151ca-ca40-d4c7-8f9c-6998c0d42e4a@blomand.net>

Jack, et.al.

Thanks,? Yes I see from the circuit it is not a Breune.?? I have 
calibrated the indications for power and all is well in that regard.? I 
just see a higher SWR that actually exists.? That under certain 
conditions causes the amp to fault. ? I'll figure a work-a-round and be 
able to deal with it.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 11/17/2019 10:12 AM, Jack Brindle wrote:
> Bob;
>
> The KPA500 does not use a Breune style bridge, but rather a true directional coupler. It does not need to be nulled; there is no adjustment.
>
> There is an adjustment for the power; see the PWR ADJ setting in the manual.
>
> 73!
> Jack, W6FB
>
>
>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 6:58 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
>>
>> I need to null the SWR detector on my KPA500.   I've not found any adjustment procedure as such.   And from the schematic, there is none.
>>
>> I do have a rather precise Bird 50.5 ohm dummy load.  I see SWR values higher than 1:1 on the LED display and also on the LCD display on higher frequency bands.   I've found that the PWR ADJ does affect not only the indicated power but the FAULT values as well.   I am suspect that the  SWR error likewise affects the Fault actions.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Bob, K4TAX
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From colin.g3psm at gmail.com  Sun Nov 17 14:20:54 2019
From: colin.g3psm at gmail.com (Colin)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 19:20:54 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector email problems
In-Reply-To: <ba7b23ad-1fb9-1bc0-0419-39b98b0f1312@coho.net>
References: <3d1f4060-528c-0b68-9e6c-409a02ddc7cd@coho.net>
	<CAK+fsRXcgnT7gsi67qcwcMWqpOJN8N9bYzOxikp4kr+n0=TtDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<ba7b23ad-1fb9-1bc0-0419-39b98b0f1312@coho.net>
Message-ID: <c6ecebe5-e81c-c3e8-5965-3c0369b85d9c@gmail.com>

Kevin....your original and all the following repeats arrived in the UK 
when you sent them.

73

Colin, G3PSM


On 17/11/2019 19:09, kevinr wrote:
> Were you able to see my net announcement either from last night or today?
>
> ?? 73,?? Kevin.
>
>
> On 11/17/19 11:07 AM, Rose wrote:
>> FWIW, I'm not aware of missing postings, including yours.
>>
>> All appears normal here.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Ken - K0PP
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 17, 2019, 12:01 kevinr <kevinr at coho.net 
>> <mailto:kevinr at coho.net>> wrote:
>>
>> ??? I have not seen any of the messages I have sent to the Reflector
>> ??? posted
>> ??? in the last two days.
>>
>> ??? Is there a problem with the Reflector?
>>
>> ??? ??? Kevin.? KD5ONS
>>
>>
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From aj8mh-radio at charter.net  Sun Nov 17 16:34:03 2019
From: aj8mh-radio at charter.net (AJ8MH Radio)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 16:34:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 SWR Calibration
In-Reply-To: <4ba151ca-ca40-d4c7-8f9c-6998c0d42e4a@blomand.net>
References: <3aface68-9b1b-2371-28fd-fe0b26c128eb@coho.net>
	<0eaa54b4-1482-a4f2-b1c3-e0ed29c35795@blomand.net>
	<CE8D16F8-FD90-4C3F-AC7F-485DB404D756@me.com>
	<4ba151ca-ca40-d4c7-8f9c-6998c0d42e4a@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <833d9c8f-23ed-5abd-30c8-3c183b20a07c@charter.net>

I know I've seen an explanation somewhere, but it's common to have 
different readings between the tuner, amp and rig when connected to an 
antenna. Readings seem to even out when connected to a dummy load...at 
least in my case. 20 meters is my worst, and the amp will kick out at times.

On 11/17/2019 2:19 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Jack, et.al.
>
> Thanks,? Yes I see from the circuit it is not a Breune.?? I have 
> calibrated the indications for power and all is well in that regard.? 
> I just see a higher SWR that actually exists.? That under certain 
> conditions causes the amp to fault. ? I'll figure a work-a-round and 
> be able to deal with it.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 11/17/2019 10:12 AM, Jack Brindle wrote:
>> Bob;
>>
>> The KPA500 does not use a Breune style bridge, but rather a true 
>> directional coupler. It does not need to be nulled; there is no 
>> adjustment.
>>
>> There is an adjustment for the power; see the PWR ADJ setting in the 
>> manual.
>>
>> 73!
>> Jack, W6FB
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 6:58 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I need to null the SWR detector on my KPA500.?? I've not found any 
>>> adjustment procedure as such.?? And from the schematic, there is none.
>>>
>>> I do have a rather precise Bird 50.5 ohm dummy load.? I see SWR 
>>> values higher than 1:1 on the LED display and also on the LCD 
>>> display on higher frequency bands.?? I've found that the PWR ADJ 
>>> does affect not only the indicated power but the FAULT values as 
>>> well.?? I am suspect that the? SWR error likewise affects the Fault 
>>> actions.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Bob, K4TAX
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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>>
>
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Marquette, MI


From k9ma at sdellington.us  Sun Nov 17 17:28:51 2019
From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 16:28:51 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Monitor on Line Output
Message-ID: <a0c39ccc-7d15-2d77-6424-716aaee85962@sdellington.us>

On SSB, I have the monitor level set to zero, and hear nothing in the 
headphones. However, when I record the audio from the line outputs, I 
get my own audio when transmitting, at a much higher level than the rx 
audio. (LIN OUT nor 050) (No, it's not the mic on another headset 
connected to the computer.) I can't find anything in the manual about 
this. At the very least, it would be helpful to be able to match the 
levels of the TX and RX audio. Am I missing something? Any suggestions?

73,

Scott K9MA

-- 
Scott  K9MA

k9ma at sdellington.us


From k6mr at outlook.com  Sun Nov 17 17:39:05 2019
From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 22:39:05 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Monitor on Line Output
In-Reply-To: <a0c39ccc-7d15-2d77-6424-716aaee85962@sdellington.us>
References: <a0c39ccc-7d15-2d77-6424-716aaee85962@sdellington.us>
Message-ID: <BYAPR07MB6214FFC40A13ADFBA3C984DB9E720@BYAPR07MB6214.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

I think you are looking for the Tx line out monitor level.  LIN OUT (from Config menu) and press 2.  0 should give you no monitor output.

Ken K6MR

From: K9MA<mailto:k9ma at sdellington.us>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 14:29
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Monitor on Line Output

On SSB, I have the monitor level set to zero, and hear nothing in the
headphones. However, when I record the audio from the line outputs, I
get my own audio when transmitting, at a much higher level than the rx
audio. (LIN OUT nor 050) (No, it's not the mic on another headset
connected to the computer.) I can't find anything in the manual about
this. At the very least, it would be helpful to be able to match the
levels of the TX and RX audio. Am I missing something? Any suggestions?

73,

Scott K9MA

--
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From k9ma at sdellington.us  Sun Nov 17 17:59:47 2019
From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 16:59:47 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Monitor on Line Output
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR07MB6214FFC40A13ADFBA3C984DB9E720@BYAPR07MB6214.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <a0c39ccc-7d15-2d77-6424-716aaee85962@sdellington.us>
	<BYAPR07MB6214FFC40A13ADFBA3C984DB9E720@BYAPR07MB6214.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <a6e5bb71-7855-c1ac-4256-e077b4152886@sdellington.us>

Thanks, Ken. I didn't think to check the firmware release notes. That 
feature was added in 2017.

73,
Scott K9MA


On 11/17/2019 16:39, Ken K6MR wrote:
>
> I think you are looking for the Tx line out monitor level.? LIN OUT 
> (from Config menu) and press 2.? 0 should give you no monitor output.
>
> Ken K6MR
>
> *From: *K9MA <mailto:k9ma at sdellington.us>
> *Sent: *Sunday, November 17, 2019 14:29
> *To: *elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> *Subject: *[Elecraft] K3 Monitor on Line Output
>
> On SSB, I have the monitor level set to zero, and hear nothing in the
> headphones. However, when I record the audio from the line outputs, I
> get my own audio when transmitting, at a much higher level than the rx
> audio. (LIN OUT nor 050) (No, it's not the mic on another headset
> connected to the computer.) I can't find anything in the manual about
> this. At the very least, it would be helpful to be able to match the
> levels of the TX and RX audio. Am I missing something? Any suggestions?
>
> 73,
>
> Scott K9MA
>
> -- 
> Scott? K9MA
>
> k9ma at sdellington.us
>
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From dave at nk7z.net  Sun Nov 17 18:35:12 2019
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 15:35:12 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Here is an odd one...
Message-ID: <47a31587-3e6c-0108-057c-a56d47bf3521@nk7z.net>

We had a power failure, and when the power came back on, my K3 did not 
see, nor key my KPA500...  It was working fine just prior to the power 
fail...  We were not home when the power failed...

The battery backup came on line and protected the K3 from the odd power 
spike, which I assume happen when a squirrel acts as a jumper for a 
115KV line...  But I digress...

I returned from shopping, and took a set of readings on my background 
RFI levels on all bands, wrote them all down, and waited for the power 
to return...

Upon power return, the KPA500 seemed totally disconnected from my K3. 
No KPA500 on the K3 when it comes on, and no OPERATE message when I 
switch out of standby...  No keying of course either...

Some troubleshooting later, I find the data cable plugged into the AUX 
connector of the K3 has dropped out...  Go figure, no one was even home...

Last time I fail to screw in the locking pins...

-- 
73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

From QRP5W at roadrunner.com  Sun Nov 17 18:54:33 2019
From: QRP5W at roadrunner.com (QRP5W at roadrunner.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 23:54:33 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Here is an odd one...
Message-ID: <9219821d82a3ebcf61de3249f2a427f266c68a60@webmail>

I blame the squirrel.

Howard Kraus, K2UD

	-----------------------------------------From: "Dave Cole" 
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday November 17 2019 6:35:12PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Here is an odd one...

We had a power failure, and when the power came back on, my K3 did not

 see, nor key my KPA500... It was working fine just prior to the power

 fail... We were not home when the power failed...

 The battery backup came on line and protected the K3 from the odd
power 
 spike, which I assume happen when a squirrel acts as a jumper for a 
 115KV line... But I digress...

 I returned from shopping, and took a set of readings on my background

 RFI levels on all bands, wrote them all down, and waited for the
power 
 to return...

 Upon power return, the KPA500 seemed totally disconnected from my K3.

 No KPA500 on the K3 when it comes on, and no OPERATE message when I 
 switch out of standby... No keying of course either...

 Some troubleshooting later, I find the data cable plugged into the
AUX 
 connector of the K3 has dropped out... Go figure, no one was even
home...

 Last time I fail to screw in the locking pins...

 -- 
 73, and thanks,
 Dave (NK7Z)
 https://www.nk7z.net [1]
 ARRL Volunteer Examiner
 ARRL Technical Specialist
 ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Nov 17 19:12:20 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 19:12:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Here is an odd one...
In-Reply-To: <47a31587-3e6c-0108-057c-a56d47bf3521@nk7z.net>
References: <47a31587-3e6c-0108-057c-a56d47bf3521@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <64e9015b-b8b9-9c35-ce75-d6f76fe7bde0@embarqmail.com>

Dave,

Yes, those locking screws should always be screwed in.  Things may work 
without it in a temporary setting (for a quick test for instance), but 
for a permanent station setup, screw in those jackscrews.  If the 
equipment is moved or there is anything that might "tug" on the cable or 
vibrate it, the jackscrews will keep it from being disconnected.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 11/17/2019 6:35 PM, Dave Cole wrote:

>> 
> Some troubleshooting later, I find the data cable plugged into the AUX 
> connector of the K3 has dropped out...? Go figure, no one was even home...
> 
> Last time I fail to screw in the locking pins...
> 

From dave at nk7z.net  Sun Nov 17 19:48:18 2019
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 16:48:18 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Here is an odd one...
In-Reply-To: <9219821d82a3ebcf61de3249f2a427f266c68a60@webmail>
References: <9219821d82a3ebcf61de3249f2a427f266c68a60@webmail>
Message-ID: <3ba06a25-ad20-21b6-5c99-f7bee399c027@nk7z.net>

As much as I would like to blame the animal, I must blame myself...  I 
should have tightened the connector lock downs...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 11/17/19 3:54 PM, QRP5W at roadrunner.com wrote:
> I blame the squirrel.
> 
> Howard Kraus, K2UD
> 
> -----------------------------------------
> 
> From: "Dave Cole"
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
> Cc:
> Sent: Sunday November 17 2019 6:35:12PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Here is an odd one...
> 
> We had a power failure, and when the power came back on, my K3 did not
> see, nor key my KPA500... It was working fine just prior to the power
> fail... We were not home when the power failed...
> 
> The battery backup came on line and protected the K3 from the odd power
> spike, which I assume happen when a squirrel acts as a jumper for a
> 115KV line... But I digress...
> 
> I returned from shopping, and took a set of readings on my background
> RFI levels on all bands, wrote them all down, and waited for the power
> to return...
> 
> Upon power return, the KPA500 seemed totally disconnected from my K3.
> No KPA500 on the K3 when it comes on, and no OPERATE message when I
> switch out of standby... No keying of course either...
> 
> Some troubleshooting later, I find the data cable plugged into the AUX
> connector of the K3 has dropped out... Go figure, no one was even home...
> 
> Last time I fail to screw in the locking pins...
> 
> -- 
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL Technical Specialist
> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Nov 17 20:13:53 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 17:13:53 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <3040b67a-4c6e-49f3-26c8-b9bf4ae7ec68@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? Sorry about spamming the Reflector earlier today.? I found the link 
to the Barko harvester was getting blocked by my ISP not Elecraft's.? I 
guess advertising forestry equipment built in Wisconsin doesn't sit well 
with an ISP in Oregon :)? Tomorrow the beeping recommences at 7:30 or 
so.? At the rate they're harvesting they'll be at the west end of my 
property by the end of the month.? Then the sorting, stacking, and 
trucking begins.? They changed the contract so I get 5% more from each 
load to the three mills being used.? There may be more Elecraft gear in 
my future ;)

 ?? QSB was deep on my end; a few ops reported very little on their 
end.? However, copy was pretty good except at the end when we had some 
QRM problems.? GA, FL, and AL came in fairly well with weaker signals 
and medium QSB.? I am not sure if I lost a few because the band was 
changing from the first minute onward.


 ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K6XK - Roy - IA

K4TO - Dave - KY

K4JPN - Steve - GA

AB9V - Mike - IN

KS4L - Randy - AL

W4CBS - Don - FL


 ? On 7047.5 kHz at 0000z:

K6XK - Roy - IA

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

W8OV - Dave - TX

K1SW - Dick - CT

K4TO - Dave - KY


 ?? Forty meters was more of the same: some weak signals and QSB ranging 
from S2 to S9.? However, the area I can hit has increased.? Connecticut 
on 40 meters is something, but I imagine he is not at home :)? I dug for 
his call and got a few confirmations of it but little else.? His signal 
was from below ESP to S2 at best.? Both bands were changing quickly as I 
worked through the check ins.? I confirmed I did miss at least one on 20 
meters when Brian told me so.? Honesty is good.

 ?? There are a few links at the end of this email.? They will 
accomplish two goals.? One, they are interesting articles so I hope you 
check them out.? Determining eigenvectors from eigenvalues gets pretty 
exciting :)? The design article is interesting too.? Changing the shapes 
of knobs from a statistical study of B17 crashes.? Second, I will test 
my hypothesis of the links breaking my ISP somehow.? I expect to see all 
of the announcement messages showing up on my end sometime tomorrow.

 ?? Until next week 73,

 ????? Kevin.? KD5ONS


https://www.quantamagazine.org/neutrinos-lead-to-unexpected-discovery-in-basic-math-20191113/

https://www.wired.com/story/how-dumb-design-wwii-plane-led-macintosh/

A stretch of sky, a garden wall overhung by green branches, a strong 
horse, a handsome dog, a group of children, a beautiful face ? why 
should we be willing to be robbed of all this?? Whoever has acquired the 
knack can in the space of a block see precious things without losing a 
minute?s time?
 ?? Hermann Hesse


From ua9cdc at gmail.com  Sun Nov 17 23:26:50 2019
From: ua9cdc at gmail.com (Igor Sokolov)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 09:26:50 +0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Wish list
In-Reply-To: <64e9015b-b8b9-9c35-ce75-d6f76fe7bde0@embarqmail.com>
References: <47a31587-3e6c-0108-057c-a56d47bf3521@nk7z.net>
	<64e9015b-b8b9-9c35-ce75-d6f76fe7bde0@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <685223ae-48dd-6976-8d20-a2de4ac2e9f9@gmail.com>

As I remember there was a "wish list" somewhere on the Elecraft web 
site. Could someone give me a direct link please. I cannot find it.

73, Igor UA9CDC


From marvwheeler at nwlink.com  Mon Nov 18 01:15:13 2019
From: marvwheeler at nwlink.com (marvwheeler at nwlink.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 22:15:13 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Wish list
In-Reply-To: <685223ae-48dd-6976-8d20-a2de4ac2e9f9@gmail.com>
References: <47a31587-3e6c-0108-057c-a56d47bf3521@nk7z.net>	<64e9015b-b8b9-9c35-ce75-d6f76fe7bde0@embarqmail.com>
	<685223ae-48dd-6976-8d20-a2de4ac2e9f9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001d59dd7$8a20c2f0$9e6248d0$@nwlink.com>

Igor:  Maybe this will help.

https://elecraft.com/collections/holiday-wish-list

Marv

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Igor Sokolov
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 8:27 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Wish list

As I remember there was a "wish list" somewhere on the Elecraft web site.
Could someone give me a direct link please. I cannot find it.

73, Igor UA9CDC

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From ua9cdc at gmail.com  Mon Nov 18 03:59:54 2019
From: ua9cdc at gmail.com (Igor Sokolov)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 13:59:54 +0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Wish list
In-Reply-To: <000001d59dd7$8a20c2f0$9e6248d0$@nwlink.com>
References: <47a31587-3e6c-0108-057c-a56d47bf3521@nk7z.net>
	<64e9015b-b8b9-9c35-ce75-d6f76fe7bde0@embarqmail.com>
	<685223ae-48dd-6976-8d20-a2de4ac2e9f9@gmail.com>
	<000001d59dd7$8a20c2f0$9e6248d0$@nwlink.com>
Message-ID: <8f1157e2-1c37-d0df-705c-7f079c5b3d21@gmail.com>

No Marv, it is not the one I am looking for.

I need the list of features that customers wanted to add to different 
Elecraft products in future firmware releases. It used to be somewhere 
in the old version of the site. It allows not to repeat requests of 
features that where already requested.

73, Igor UA9CDC


18.11.2019 11:15, marvwheeler at nwlink.com ?????:
> Igor:  Maybe this will help.
>
> https://elecraft.com/collections/holiday-wish-list
>
> Marv
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
> Behalf Of Igor Sokolov
> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 8:27 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Wish list
>
> As I remember there was a "wish list" somewhere on the Elecraft web site.
> Could someone give me a direct link please. I cannot find it.
>
> 73, Igor UA9CDC
>
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From kengkopp at gmail.com  Sun Nov 17 14:16:28 2019
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 12:16:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector email problems
In-Reply-To: <ba7b23ad-1fb9-1bc0-0419-39b98b0f1312@coho.net>
References: <3d1f4060-528c-0b68-9e6c-409a02ddc7cd@coho.net>
	<CAK+fsRXcgnT7gsi67qcwcMWqpOJN8N9bYzOxikp4kr+n0=TtDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<ba7b23ad-1fb9-1bc0-0419-39b98b0f1312@coho.net>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTPZFEHQUbdeApR+XjK73oUAz6xz6eY_--RvxV=pJu7CAg@mail.gmail.com>

Yes ...

73

On Sun, Nov 17, 2019, 12:15 kevinr <kevinr at coho.net> wrote:

> Were you able to see my net announcement either from last night or today?
>
>     73,   Kevin.
>
>
> On 11/17/19 11:07 AM, Rose wrote:
> > FWIW, I'm not aware of missing postings, including yours.
> >
> > All appears normal here.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Ken - K0PP
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 17, 2019, 12:01 kevinr <kevinr at coho.net
> > <mailto:kevinr at coho.net>> wrote:
> >
> >     I have not seen any of the messages I have sent to the Reflector
> >     posted
> >     in the last two days.
> >
> >     Is there a problem with the Reflector?
> >
> >         Kevin.  KD5ONS
> >
> >
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From giwagner at k5kg.com  Sun Nov 17 17:52:42 2019
From: giwagner at k5kg.com (George I. Wagner)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 22:52:42 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Low Gain / Attenuator
Message-ID: <f80f490f-0276-5b8a-abc6-971897e67e9d@k5kg.com>

My kPA1500 is showing this msg: ATTENUATE REASON NONE.? When keyed, the 
amp displays LOW GAIN RATIO 1.? Is there a way to reset the amp to full 
power?

73, George K5KG


-- 
George Wagner, K5KG
Sarasota, FL
giwagner at k5kg.com


From dave at nk7z.net  Mon Nov 18 11:06:45 2019
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 08:06:45 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Using external SDR and a K3 as antenna splitter
Message-ID: <bcb38922-b3f1-275c-2355-91c2f49f2c48@nk7z.net>

A few years ago someone posted a method of using a splitter, and the 
External Antenna jacks to feed an external SDR with the direct antenna, 
not a IF, but a wideband signal from the primary antenna...

I think it was something along the lines of add a splitter, between the 
RX Antenna in/out, and then picking off the antenna feed to the SDR from 
an output of the splitter...   Does this make sense?

Is there a high level block diagram showing the antenna pathing for a 
K3, with the ATU installed, and how the front panel switch labeled RX 
ANT controls the signal path?

-- 
73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

From rick at tavan.com  Mon Nov 18 11:16:06 2019
From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 08:16:06 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Using external SDR and a K3 as antenna splitter
In-Reply-To: <bcb38922-b3f1-275c-2355-91c2f49f2c48@nk7z.net>
References: <bcb38922-b3f1-275c-2355-91c2f49f2c48@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <CANVONA+kaAhWazc7MfPwtaJ_8ZaqKD2_1mS-q2PZR1++DdrkWg@mail.gmail.com>

You can use a splitter or a simple T-connector. Connect RX ANT OUT to the
center port and RX ANT IN and the SDR to the "side" ports. Of course, with
a T-connector, all 3 ports are equivalent. Then turn on RX ANT from the
front panel. You lose 3 dB but that shouldn't be much of an issue on HF.

Yes, IIRC the Operator's Manual for K3 includes a good antenna routing
diagram.

/Rick N6XI

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 8:08 AM Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:

> A few years ago someone posted a method of using a splitter, and the
> External Antenna jacks to feed an external SDR with the direct antenna,
> not a IF, but a wideband signal from the primary antenna...
>
> I think it was something along the lines of add a splitter, between the
> RX Antenna in/out, and then picking off the antenna feed to the SDR from
> an output of the splitter...   Does this make sense?
>
> Is there a high level block diagram showing the antenna pathing for a
> K3, with the ATU installed, and how the front panel switch labeled RX
> ANT controls the signal path?
>
> --
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
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> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
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From hs0zed at gmail.com  Mon Nov 18 11:25:10 2019
From: hs0zed at gmail.com (Martin Sole)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 23:25:10 +0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Using external SDR and a K3 as antenna splitter
In-Reply-To: <bcb38922-b3f1-275c-2355-91c2f49f2c48@nk7z.net>
References: <bcb38922-b3f1-275c-2355-91c2f49f2c48@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <4877b994-1c2f-9dae-6572-ea7ac4f80cb1@gmail.com>

I think that's pretty much it Dave. Take a cable from the Rx ant out, 
feed it to one port of a 3 way tee, take the second port to Rx Ant in. 
Take third port of the tee to the SDR. There will be loss of course in 
both paths depending on the impedance of the SDR. If your fussy you can 
invest in a mini circuits splitter and use it to replace the tee. There 
will still be loss but the impedances will be better matched and 
defined, if that's important. To make it work you need to use the Rx Ant 
switch on the K3 to send signal out the Rx ant out jack and receive on 
the Rx ant in so feeding the SDR as well otherwise the jacks are 
bypassed and only the K3 works, as normal.

Martin, HS0ZED


On 18/11/2019 23:06, Dave Cole wrote:
> A few years ago someone posted a method of using a splitter, and the 
> External Antenna jacks to feed an external SDR with the direct 
> antenna, not a IF, but a wideband signal from the primary antenna...
>
> I think it was something along the lines of add a splitter, between 
> the RX Antenna in/out, and then picking off the antenna feed to the 
> SDR from an output of the splitter...?? Does this make sense?
>
> Is there a high level block diagram showing the antenna pathing for a 
> K3, with the ATU installed, and how the front panel switch labeled RX 
> ANT controls the signal path?
>


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Nov 18 11:26:49 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 11:26:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Using external SDR and a K3 as antenna splitter
In-Reply-To: <bcb38922-b3f1-275c-2355-91c2f49f2c48@nk7z.net>
References: <bcb38922-b3f1-275c-2355-91c2f49f2c48@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <c5847730-1534-7bfb-89af-2c3f90fc5980@embarqmail.com>

Dave,

There in a block diagram in the back of the K3 manual.
The RX ANT OUT is what you are looking for - but remember that it has 
the Low Pass Filter in the path, so the response at frequencies higher 
than the band the K3 is tuned to will be attenuated.

If you need a direct antenna connection, you will have to use a splitter 
on the antenna and some means of protecting the SDR during K3 transmit.
Alternately, use a separate RX antenna on the SDR (you may still need 
protection for the SDR unless the TX antenna is located far enough from 
the RX antenna.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/18/2019 11:06 AM, Dave Cole wrote:
> A few years ago someone posted a method of using a splitter, and the 
> External Antenna jacks to feed an external SDR with the direct antenna, 
> not a IF, but a wideband signal from the primary antenna...
> 
> I think it was something along the lines of add a splitter, between the 
> RX Antenna in/out, and then picking off the antenna feed to the SDR from 
> an output of the splitter...?? Does this make sense?
> 
> Is there a high level block diagram showing the antenna pathing for a 
> K3, with the ATU installed, and how the front panel switch labeled RX 
> ANT controls the signal path?
> 

From n4zr at comcast.net  Mon Nov 18 11:29:44 2019
From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 11:29:44 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 wish list
Message-ID: <cdd6c007-8a4b-388f-8b2d-001739ac8f84@comcast.net>

Here's one that I kept running into.? My K3/KPA-1500 when operating at 
one end of the band on 40 and 80, would work fine, but when I went to 
the other end? I found that often I would be running over 1500 watts, 
and sometimes, the result would be reflected power exceeding 200 watts, 
causing a fault.? For those of us who have the Aux port cable connected, 
wouldn't it be pretty simple for the KPA-1500 to turn down the K3's 
power to limit output to 1500 watts?

-- 

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.


From turnbull at net1.ie  Mon Nov 18 11:26:29 2019
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 16:26:29 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector email problems
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTPZFEHQUbdeApR+XjK73oUAz6xz6eY_--RvxV=pJu7CAg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3d1f4060-528c-0b68-9e6c-409a02ddc7cd@coho.net><CAK+fsRXcgnT7gsi67qcwcMWqpOJN8N9bYzOxikp4kr+n0=TtDQ@mail.gmail.com><ba7b23ad-1fb9-1bc0-0419-39b98b0f1312@coho.net>
	<CAD4CdTPZFEHQUbdeApR+XjK73oUAz6xz6eY_--RvxV=pJu7CAg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8A70F708D37C4218A8E68ED5720DF465@DougTPC>

Kevin,
     I never see e-mail which I have sent into the reflector come back to
me.    I do however find that my questions or comments are replied to.   For
me it is normal not to see what had been sent in.   Perhaps this is true for
others as well.

                    73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp
Sent: 17 November 2019 19:16
To: kevinr
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Reflector email problems

Yes ...

73

On Sun, Nov 17, 2019, 12:15 kevinr <kevinr at coho.net> wrote:

> Were you able to see my net announcement either from last night or today?
>
>     73,   Kevin.
>
>
> On 11/17/19 11:07 AM, Rose wrote:
> > FWIW, I'm not aware of missing postings, including yours.
> >
> > All appears normal here.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Ken - K0PP
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 17, 2019, 12:01 kevinr <kevinr at coho.net
> > <mailto:kevinr at coho.net>> wrote:
> >
> >     I have not seen any of the messages I have sent to the Reflector
> >     posted
> >     in the last two days.
> >
> >     Is there a problem with the Reflector?
> >
> >         Kevin.  KD5ONS
> >
> >
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> >
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From mpridesti at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 11:44:16 2019
From: mpridesti at yahoo.com (Mpridesti)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 11:44:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 push buttons no longer workin
References: <9C2CE80A-BC39-4888-95E8-2929AE1A69A1.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9C2CE80A-BC39-4888-95E8-2929AE1A69A1@yahoo.com>

Specifically the front panel button to select shift Lo Hi Width do not toggle. Only stays in FC or BW. 

Did a firmware reload (newest from web) and no change. 

What?s the fix?

Regards,

Mark, K1RX



From dave at nk7z.net  Mon Nov 18 11:48:14 2019
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 08:48:14 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Using external SDR and a K3 as antenna splitter
In-Reply-To: <c5847730-1534-7bfb-89af-2c3f90fc5980@embarqmail.com>
References: <bcb38922-b3f1-275c-2355-91c2f49f2c48@nk7z.net>
	<c5847730-1534-7bfb-89af-2c3f90fc5980@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <7cb195ad-8632-5414-ac34-536eb58efb4e@nk7z.net>

Many thanks to all who answered!!

I was wondering if there was any sort of filtering on that jack pair... 
Sorry to see that...

I have a minicircuits three way, and will be adding that, alas, the 
filtering will be something to work around...  THANKS for the info Don!!!!

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 11/18/19 8:26 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Dave,
> 
> There in a block diagram in the back of the K3 manual.
> The RX ANT OUT is what you are looking for - but remember that it has 
> the Low Pass Filter in the path, so the response at frequencies higher 
> than the band the K3 is tuned to will be attenuated.
> 
> If you need a direct antenna connection, you will have to use a splitter 
> on the antenna and some means of protecting the SDR during K3 transmit.
> Alternately, use a separate RX antenna on the SDR (you may still need 
> protection for the SDR unless the TX antenna is located far enough from 
> the RX antenna.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 11/18/2019 11:06 AM, Dave Cole wrote:
>> A few years ago someone posted a method of using a splitter, and the 
>> External Antenna jacks to feed an external SDR with the direct 
>> antenna, not a IF, but a wideband signal from the primary antenna...
>>
>> I think it was something along the lines of add a splitter, between 
>> the RX Antenna in/out, and then picking off the antenna feed to the 
>> SDR from an output of the splitter...?? Does this make sense?
>>
>> Is there a high level block diagram showing the antenna pathing for a 
>> K3, with the ATU installed, and how the front panel switch labeled RX 
>> ANT controls the signal path?
>>

From jim at jtmiller.com  Mon Nov 18 11:52:59 2019
From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 11:52:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 RX routing?
Message-ID: <CACYeN9wH1n=WLKx=X5ShM_heck6tCnb0n-wwTJLzLeF0cm9H=w@mail.gmail.com>

Like many I'd like to get the feed from my RX antenna to both the RX in and
Aux in. Some just do a parallel connection while others use a splitter.

Does the K4 have any tricks up its sleeve to do this without an external
splitter?

Thanks

Jim ab3cv

From jim at n7us.net  Mon Nov 18 11:57:57 2019
From: jim at n7us.net (Jim McDonald)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 10:57:57 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector email problems
In-Reply-To: <8A70F708D37C4218A8E68ED5720DF465@DougTPC>
References: <3d1f4060-528c-0b68-9e6c-409a02ddc7cd@coho.net>
	<CAK+fsRXcgnT7gsi67qcwcMWqpOJN8N9bYzOxikp4kr+n0=TtDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<ba7b23ad-1fb9-1bc0-0419-39b98b0f1312@coho.net>
	<CAD4CdTPZFEHQUbdeApR+XjK73oUAz6xz6eY_--RvxV=pJu7CAg@mail.gmail.com>
	<8A70F708D37C4218A8E68ED5720DF465@DougTPC>
Message-ID: <CAGYgfuN2KsiAhvRo9YOsBLCr9+au1cu1RmEagp-Me2=wHMrw1w@mail.gmail.com>

I have found the same since switching to Gmail.  I had heard of it
happening with Gmail before, but am surprised it's happening to me because
I'm now forwarding from my regular email to Gmail and am sending through
qth.com servers, not Gmail.

Jim N7US

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 10:42 AM Doug Turnbull <turnbull at net1.ie> wrote:

> Kevin,
>      I never see e-mail which I have sent into the reflector come back to
> me.    I do however find that my questions or comments are replied to.
>  For
> me it is normal not to see what had been sent in.   Perhaps this is true
> for
> others as well.
>
>                     73 Doug EI2CN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp
> Sent: 17 November 2019 19:16
> To: kevinr
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Reflector email problems
>
> Yes ...
>
> 73
>
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2019, 12:15 kevinr <kevinr at coho.net> wrote:
>
> > Were you able to see my net announcement either from last night or today?
> >
> >     73,   Kevin.
> >
> >
> > On 11/17/19 11:07 AM, Rose wrote:
> > > FWIW, I'm not aware of missing postings, including yours.
> > >
> > > All appears normal here.
> > >
> > > 73
> > >
> > > Ken - K0PP
> > >
> > > On Sun, Nov 17, 2019, 12:01 kevinr <kevinr at coho.net
> > > <mailto:kevinr at coho.net>> wrote:
> > >
> > >     I have not seen any of the messages I have sent to the Reflector
> > >     posted
> > >     in the last two days.
> > >
> > >     Is there a problem with the Reflector?
> > >
> > >         Kevin.  KD5ONS
>
>

From hidron at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 18 12:13:55 2019
From: hidron at hotmail.com (John Hiatt)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 17:13:55 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector email problems
In-Reply-To: <CAGYgfuN2KsiAhvRo9YOsBLCr9+au1cu1RmEagp-Me2=wHMrw1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3d1f4060-528c-0b68-9e6c-409a02ddc7cd@coho.net>
	<CAK+fsRXcgnT7gsi67qcwcMWqpOJN8N9bYzOxikp4kr+n0=TtDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<ba7b23ad-1fb9-1bc0-0419-39b98b0f1312@coho.net>
	<CAD4CdTPZFEHQUbdeApR+XjK73oUAz6xz6eY_--RvxV=pJu7CAg@mail.gmail.com>
	<8A70F708D37C4218A8E68ED5720DF465@DougTPC>,
	<CAGYgfuN2KsiAhvRo9YOsBLCr9+au1cu1RmEagp-Me2=wHMrw1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR11MB1246E5839EB5A50E7A0A5ADED94D0@MWHPR11MB1246.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

In the Reflector settings there is an option called Receive your own posts to the list?
If you are not receiving your own emails you send to the list, that may have been set to no.  I believe it was set to Yes by default.
If you are concerned about your outgoing messages, you could also take a look at the setting Receive acknowledgement mail when you send mail to the list?

If you remember your password, you can check the settings at http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/options/elecraft

John, KC7DRI


________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Jim McDonald <jim at n7us.net>
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 8:57 AM
To: Doug Turnbull <turnbull at net1.ie>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Reflector email problems

I have found the same since switching to Gmail.  I had heard of it
happening with Gmail before, but am surprised it's happening to me because
I'm now forwarding from my regular email to Gmail and am sending through
qth.com servers, not Gmail.

Jim N7US

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 10:42 AM Doug Turnbull <turnbull at net1.ie> wrote:

> Kevin,
>      I never see e-mail which I have sent into the reflector come back to
> me.    I do however find that my questions or comments are replied to.
>  For
> me it is normal not to see what had been sent in.   Perhaps this is true
> for
> others as well.
>
>                     73 Doug EI2CN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp
> Sent: 17 November 2019 19:16
> To: kevinr
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Reflector email problems
>
> Yes ...
>
> 73
>
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2019, 12:15 kevinr <kevinr at coho.net> wrote:
>
> > Were you able to see my net announcement either from last night or today?
> >
> >     73,   Kevin.
> >
> >
> > On 11/17/19 11:07 AM, Rose wrote:
> > > FWIW, I'm not aware of missing postings, including yours.
> > >
> > > All appears normal here.
> > >
> > > 73
> > >
> > > Ken - K0PP
> > >
> > > On Sun, Nov 17, 2019, 12:01 kevinr <kevinr at coho.net
> > > <mailto:kevinr at coho.net>> wrote:
> > >
> > >     I have not seen any of the messages I have sent to the Reflector
> > >     posted
> > >     in the last two days.
> > >
> > >     Is there a problem with the Reflector?
> > >
> > >         Kevin.  KD5ONS
>
>
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From clawsoncw at gmail.com  Mon Nov 18 12:21:11 2019
From: clawsoncw at gmail.com (Carl Clawson)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 09:21:11 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 RX routing?
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9wH1n=WLKx=X5ShM_heck6tCnb0n-wwTJLzLeF0cm9H=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACYeN9wH1n=WLKx=X5ShM_heck6tCnb0n-wwTJLzLeF0cm9H=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABS7SRCYS0o9NJH2rsa1Cd=29hgQi-GFACr+8_F3sYo6dEgWpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Further on this:

Please include a comprehensive description of RX antenna routing in the K4
manual. I could never understand the K3 with much confidence until I read
Fred Cady's KE7X (SK) book, and sadly Fred will not be writing a K4 book.
Just try figuring out what "RX Ant Out" does by reading the K3 manual. You
can GUESS what it does but a manual shouldn't leave you guessing.

73 -- Carl WS7L

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 8:54 AM Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:

> Like many I'd like to get the feed from my RX antenna to both the RX in and
> Aux in. Some just do a parallel connection while others use a splitter.
>
> Does the K4 have any tricks up its sleeve to do this without an external
> splitter?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jim ab3cv
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From rick at tavan.com  Mon Nov 18 12:44:45 2019
From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 09:44:45 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 wish list
In-Reply-To: <cdd6c007-8a4b-388f-8b2d-001739ac8f84@comcast.net>
References: <cdd6c007-8a4b-388f-8b2d-001739ac8f84@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CANVONAKVX5zxPgo7UZbujCSwQqaOhYCT+XvLvQXzQ7_uxk=N8w@mail.gmail.com>

I'd love to have something like this, Pete!  It's not only frequency
excursions that cause output fluctuations but also warm-up. The gain of the
power transistors is temperature-sensitive. I'd like to be able to set a
target output power (typically 1500w but maybe less on bands with
mismatched antennas or in countries with lower power limits), have
*something* monitor it, and send drive adjustment commands to the K3 via
sharing the serial port. (The commands exist - PC and PO.) It's not the
same as AGC which is analog and real-time and can cause distortion. I've
called it "Slow AGC" because it would only operate every second or so,
perhaps taking multiple cycles to recover a desired output power and
causing no measurable distortion. It would essentially duplicate what we do
manually - keep a sharp eye on the power and tweak the K3 PWR control
appropriately. That's not only a significant drain on brain and muscle
cycles over the course of a long operating session as in contesting but
also useful in less extended situations like the excitement of a DX pileup.
It would require software in the KPA1500 and maybe also an external box or
computer where port sharing would take place. (It could also be done
entirely external to the KPA1500 by replicating its power sensing
circuitry, a bit of a waste.) It's not trivial but I'm convinced it's
possible.

73,

/Rick N6XI

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 8:31 AM N4ZR <n4zr at comcast.net> wrote:

> Here's one that I kept running into.  My K3/KPA-1500 when operating at
> one end of the band on 40 and 80, would work fine, but when I went to
> the other end  I found that often I would be running over 1500 watts,
> and sometimes, the result would be reflected power exceeding 200 watts,
> causing a fault.  For those of us who have the Aux port cable connected,
> wouldn't it be pretty simple for the KPA-1500 to turn down the K3's
> power to limit output to 1500 watts?
>
> --
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
> at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
> spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
> For spots, please use your favorite
> "retail" DX cluster.
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From invl160 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 18 12:36:37 2019
From: invl160 at gmail.com (Frank VO1HP)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 14:06:37 -0330
Subject: [Elecraft] CW Sidetone recording.
Message-ID: <CAAa9j80=dHeGC=6iEpELpcPg_w+90OLQ6hh50SdsjndrLEZTLw@mail.gmail.com>

I used the K3 recorder a lot when chasing a DX station in a pileup. I like
to try and capture a recording of a succesful QSO.  Is there a way to
record my transmitted CW sidetone on the K3 recorder?

Frank VO1HP

From turnbull at net1.ie  Mon Nov 18 12:55:02 2019
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 17:55:02 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 wish list
In-Reply-To: <CANVONAKVX5zxPgo7UZbujCSwQqaOhYCT+XvLvQXzQ7_uxk=N8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cdd6c007-8a4b-388f-8b2d-001739ac8f84@comcast.net>
	<CANVONAKVX5zxPgo7UZbujCSwQqaOhYCT+XvLvQXzQ7_uxk=N8w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BDC200CEE6EF4D899659362C57627C6E@DougTPC>

Dear OMs and YLs,
     Why not just run 1400 Watts.    The difference in power will never be
noticed by anyone you are working.    It should reduce stress on the KPA1500
components.   Though feedback which is after all what we are talking about
can not only reduce distortion but in some instances introduce distortion;
ALC being just one example.   If your SWR forces the return power to over
200 Watts then it seems to me there is the more important problem to
address.

     I am sorry if I have stepped on any toes.   This is not my intent.    I
too run a KPA 1500 which is a delight.

                   73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick Tavan
Sent: 18 November 2019 17:45
To: N4ZR; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 wish list

I'd love to have something like this, Pete!  It's not only frequency
excursions that cause output fluctuations but also warm-up. The gain of the
power transistors is temperature-sensitive. I'd like to be able to set a
target output power (typically 1500w but maybe less on bands with
mismatched antennas or in countries with lower power limits), have
*something* monitor it, and send drive adjustment commands to the K3 via
sharing the serial port. (The commands exist - PC and PO.) It's not the
same as AGC which is analog and real-time and can cause distortion. I've
called it "Slow AGC" because it would only operate every second or so,
perhaps taking multiple cycles to recover a desired output power and
causing no measurable distortion. It would essentially duplicate what we do
manually - keep a sharp eye on the power and tweak the K3 PWR control
appropriately. That's not only a significant drain on brain and muscle
cycles over the course of a long operating session as in contesting but
also useful in less extended situations like the excitement of a DX pileup.
It would require software in the KPA1500 and maybe also an external box or
computer where port sharing would take place. (It could also be done
entirely external to the KPA1500 by replicating its power sensing
circuitry, a bit of a waste.) It's not trivial but I'm convinced it's
possible.

73,

/Rick N6XI

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 8:31 AM N4ZR <n4zr at comcast.net> wrote:

> Here's one that I kept running into.  My K3/KPA-1500 when operating at
> one end of the band on 40 and 80, would work fine, but when I went to
> the other end  I found that often I would be running over 1500 watts,
> and sometimes, the result would be reflected power exceeding 200 watts,
> causing a fault.  For those of us who have the Aux port cable connected,
> wouldn't it be pretty simple for the KPA-1500 to turn down the K3's
> power to limit output to 1500 watts?
>
> --
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
> at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
> spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
> For spots, please use your favorite
> "retail" DX cluster.
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Nov 18 13:07:39 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 12:07:39 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 wish list
In-Reply-To: <BDC200CEE6EF4D899659362C57627C6E@DougTPC>
References: <cdd6c007-8a4b-388f-8b2d-001739ac8f84@comcast.net>
	<CANVONAKVX5zxPgo7UZbujCSwQqaOhYCT+XvLvQXzQ7_uxk=N8w@mail.gmail.com>
	<BDC200CEE6EF4D899659362C57627C6E@DougTPC>
Message-ID: <ab3e6d7e-b7ff-27c3-70d6-0199ca88852e@blomand.net>

At risk of starting a FIRE storm here in the group, why not CORRECTLY 
configure the ALC between the amp and radio.? Just remember it is not a 
power control application but no different than the normal ALC in your 
radio.? You do use that don't you? And you can see the amp ALC on the 
K3S display ALC indication.? It will let you know if you are punching it 
too hard.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 11/18/2019 11:55 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote:
> Dear OMs and YLs,
>       Why not just run 1400 Watts.    The difference in power will never be
> noticed by anyone you are working.    It should reduce stress on the KPA1500
> components.   Though feedback which is after all what we are talking about
> can not only reduce distortion but in some instances introduce distortion;
> ALC being just one example.   If your SWR forces the return power to over
> 200 Watts then it seems to me there is the more important problem to
> address.
>
>       I am sorry if I have stepped on any toes.   This is not my intent.    I
> too run a KPA 1500 which is a delight.
>
>                     73 Doug EI2CN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick Tavan
> Sent: 18 November 2019 17:45
> To: N4ZR; Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 wish list
>
> I'd love to have something like this, Pete!  It's not only frequency
> excursions that cause output fluctuations but also warm-up. The gain of the
> power transistors is temperature-sensitive. I'd like to be able to set a
> target output power (typically 1500w but maybe less on bands with
> mismatched antennas or in countries with lower power limits), have
> *something* monitor it, and send drive adjustment commands to the K3 via
> sharing the serial port. (The commands exist - PC and PO.) It's not the
> same as AGC which is analog and real-time and can cause distortion. I've
> called it "Slow AGC" because it would only operate every second or so,
> perhaps taking multiple cycles to recover a desired output power and
> causing no measurable distortion. It would essentially duplicate what we do
> manually - keep a sharp eye on the power and tweak the K3 PWR control
> appropriately. That's not only a significant drain on brain and muscle
> cycles over the course of a long operating session as in contesting but
> also useful in less extended situations like the excitement of a DX pileup.
> It would require software in the KPA1500 and maybe also an external box or
> computer where port sharing would take place. (It could also be done
> entirely external to the KPA1500 by replicating its power sensing
> circuitry, a bit of a waste.) It's not trivial but I'm convinced it's
> possible.
>
> 73,
>
> /Rick N6XI
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 8:31 AM N4ZR <n4zr at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Here's one that I kept running into.  My K3/KPA-1500 when operating at
>> one end of the band on 40 and 80, would work fine, but when I went to
>> the other end  I found that often I would be running over 1500 watts,
>> and sometimes, the result would be reflected power exceeding 200 watts,
>> causing a fault.  For those of us who have the Aux port cable connected,
>> wouldn't it be pretty simple for the KPA-1500 to turn down the K3's
>> power to limit output to 1500 watts?
>>
>> --
>>
>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
>> at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
>> spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
>> For spots, please use your favorite
>> "retail" DX cluster.
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>> Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com
>
>


From dl2mdu at darc.de  Mon Nov 18 13:15:12 2019
From: dl2mdu at darc.de (Christian Friess)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 19:15:12 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 push buttons no longer workin
In-Reply-To: <9C2CE80A-BC39-4888-95E8-2929AE1A69A1@yahoo.com>
References: <9C2CE80A-BC39-4888-95E8-2929AE1A69A1.ref@yahoo.com>
	<9C2CE80A-BC39-4888-95E8-2929AE1A69A1@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <efc3a246-6758-f260-bc5c-fcbfc523ab86@darc.de>

In my case the 4 rotary encoders had to be replaced.

73 de Chris, DL2MDU

Am 18.11.2019 um 17:44 schrieb Mpridesti via Elecraft:
> Specifically the front panel button to select shift Lo Hi Width do not toggle. Only stays in FC or BW.
>
> Did a firmware reload (newest from web) and no change.
>
> What?s the fix?
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark, K1RX
>
>
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From turnbull at net1.ie  Mon Nov 18 13:18:06 2019
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 18:18:06 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 wish list
In-Reply-To: <ab3e6d7e-b7ff-27c3-70d6-0199ca88852e@blomand.net>
References: <cdd6c007-8a4b-388f-8b2d-001739ac8f84@comcast.net><CANVONAKVX5zxPgo7UZbujCSwQqaOhYCT+XvLvQXzQ7_uxk=N8w@mail.gmail.com><BDC200CEE6EF4D899659362C57627C6E@DougTPC>
	<ab3e6d7e-b7ff-27c3-70d6-0199ca88852e@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <9BDDE79AA0A445C98C899BE45DE27E53@DougTPC>

Bob,
    I was thinking of ALC between K3 and an external amplifier.    Your
point is taken; first trim the K3 properly.
                      73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX
Sent: 18 November 2019 18:08
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 wish list

At risk of starting a FIRE storm here in the group, why not CORRECTLY 
configure the ALC between the amp and radio.? Just remember it is not a 
power control application but no different than the normal ALC in your 
radio.? You do use that don't you? And you can see the amp ALC on the 
K3S display ALC indication.? It will let you know if you are punching it 
too hard.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 11/18/2019 11:55 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote:
> Dear OMs and YLs,
>       Why not just run 1400 Watts.    The difference in power will never
be
> noticed by anyone you are working.    It should reduce stress on the
KPA1500
> components.   Though feedback which is after all what we are talking about
> can not only reduce distortion but in some instances introduce distortion;
> ALC being just one example.   If your SWR forces the return power to over
> 200 Watts then it seems to me there is the more important problem to
> address.
>
>       I am sorry if I have stepped on any toes.   This is not my intent.
I
> too run a KPA 1500 which is a delight.
>
>                     73 Doug EI2CN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick Tavan
> Sent: 18 November 2019 17:45
> To: N4ZR; Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 wish list
>
> I'd love to have something like this, Pete!  It's not only frequency
> excursions that cause output fluctuations but also warm-up. The gain of
the
> power transistors is temperature-sensitive. I'd like to be able to set a
> target output power (typically 1500w but maybe less on bands with
> mismatched antennas or in countries with lower power limits), have
> *something* monitor it, and send drive adjustment commands to the K3 via
> sharing the serial port. (The commands exist - PC and PO.) It's not the
> same as AGC which is analog and real-time and can cause distortion. I've
> called it "Slow AGC" because it would only operate every second or so,
> perhaps taking multiple cycles to recover a desired output power and
> causing no measurable distortion. It would essentially duplicate what we
do
> manually - keep a sharp eye on the power and tweak the K3 PWR control
> appropriately. That's not only a significant drain on brain and muscle
> cycles over the course of a long operating session as in contesting but
> also useful in less extended situations like the excitement of a DX
pileup.
> It would require software in the KPA1500 and maybe also an external box or
> computer where port sharing would take place. (It could also be done
> entirely external to the KPA1500 by replicating its power sensing
> circuitry, a bit of a waste.) It's not trivial but I'm convinced it's
> possible.
>
> 73,
>
> /Rick N6XI
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 8:31 AM N4ZR <n4zr at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Here's one that I kept running into.  My K3/KPA-1500 when operating at
>> one end of the band on 40 and 80, would work fine, but when I went to
>> the other end  I found that often I would be running over 1500 watts,
>> and sometimes, the result would be reflected power exceeding 200 watts,
>> causing a fault.  For those of us who have the Aux port cable connected,
>> wouldn't it be pretty simple for the KPA-1500 to turn down the K3's
>> power to limit output to 1500 watts?
>>
>> --
>>
>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
>> at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
>> spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
>> For spots, please use your favorite
>> "retail" DX cluster.
>>
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From a.durbin at msn.com  Mon Nov 18 13:27:08 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 18:27:08 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 wish list
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB29680326C41E4B74BBC3D6848C4D0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"(It could also be done entirely external to the KPA1500 by replicating its power sensing circuitry, a bit of a waste.) It's not trivial but I'm convinced it's
possible."

I'm no expert on amplifier design but wouldn't it be more appropriate to have (slow) closed loop control of the amplifier gain?  Couldn't that be done internal to the KPA1500 without any need to control exciter drive power?  

If the gain gain change is caused mainly by PA temperature changes couldn't that be compensated open loop.  The finals temperature is already known to the controller.

Why develop a complex closed loop power control system if the problem could be fixed by stabilizing the amplifier gain?

Andy, k3wyc

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Mon Nov 18 13:29:49 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 13:29:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector email problems
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR11MB1246E5839EB5A50E7A0A5ADED94D0@MWHPR11MB1246.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <3d1f4060-528c-0b68-9e6c-409a02ddc7cd@coho.net>
	<CAK+fsRXcgnT7gsi67qcwcMWqpOJN8N9bYzOxikp4kr+n0=TtDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<ba7b23ad-1fb9-1bc0-0419-39b98b0f1312@coho.net>
	<CAD4CdTPZFEHQUbdeApR+XjK73oUAz6xz6eY_--RvxV=pJu7CAg@mail.gmail.com>
	<8A70F708D37C4218A8E68ED5720DF465@DougTPC>
	<CAGYgfuN2KsiAhvRo9YOsBLCr9+au1cu1RmEagp-Me2=wHMrw1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<MWHPR11MB1246E5839EB5A50E7A0A5ADED94D0@MWHPR11MB1246.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <934F3011-EA1B-464D-9FCE-6AA4B8D52BEB@gmail.com>

Yes, there?s a setting in the reflector.  But, like others but apparently not all, even set to ?yes" it doesn?t work.  Is it the fault of gmail?  Space aliens?  Little dolls with pins in them?

If I?m really worried about whether a post gets to the list I check the list archive or Nabble ? so far, they always make it, even though I don?t see it.  Most of my posts are generally worthless anyway ? :-)

Grant NQ5T

> On Nov 18, 2019, at 12:13 PM, John Hiatt <hidron at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> In the Reflector settings there is an option called Receive your own posts to the list?
> If you are not receiving your own emails you send to the list, that may have been set to no.  I believe it was set to Yes by default.
> If you are concerned about your outgoing messages, you could also take a look at the setting Receive acknowledgement mail when you send mail to the list?
> 
> If you remember your password, you can check the settings at http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/options/elecraft
> 
> John, KC7DRI
> 


From mike.flowers at gmail.com  Mon Nov 18 13:48:43 2019
From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 10:48:43 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector email problems
In-Reply-To: <934F3011-EA1B-464D-9FCE-6AA4B8D52BEB@gmail.com>
References: <3d1f4060-528c-0b68-9e6c-409a02ddc7cd@coho.net>	<CAK+fsRXcgnT7gsi67qcwcMWqpOJN8N9bYzOxikp4kr+n0=TtDQ@mail.gmail.com>	<ba7b23ad-1fb9-1bc0-0419-39b98b0f1312@coho.net>	<CAD4CdTPZFEHQUbdeApR+XjK73oUAz6xz6eY_--RvxV=pJu7CAg@mail.gmail.com>	<8A70F708D37C4218A8E68ED5720DF465@DougTPC>	<CAGYgfuN2KsiAhvRo9YOsBLCr9+au1cu1RmEagp-Me2=wHMrw1w@mail.gmail.com>	<MWHPR11MB1246E5839EB5A50E7A0A5ADED94D0@MWHPR11MB1246.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
	<934F3011-EA1B-464D-9FCE-6AA4B8D52BEB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <059e01d59e40$cdba6ca0$692f45e0$@gmail.com>

It's Gmail ...

http://blog.simplelists.com/gmail-solution-mail-sent-to-a-list-doesnt-show-in-inbox/

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, NCDXC Secretary

> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> On Behalf Of Grant Youngman
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 10:30
> To: John Hiatt <hidron at hotmail.com>
> Cc: Elecraft Refl <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Reflector email problems
> 
> Yes, there?s a setting in the reflector.  But, like others but apparently not all, even
> set to ?yes" it doesn?t work.  Is it the fault of gmail?  Space aliens?  Little dolls
> with pins in them?
> 
> If I?m really worried about whether a post gets to the list I check the list archive
> or Nabble ? so far, they always make it, even though I don?t see it.  Most of my
> posts are generally worthless anyway ? :-)
> 
> Grant NQ5T
> 
> > On Nov 18, 2019, at 12:13 PM, John Hiatt <hidron at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > In the Reflector settings there is an option called Receive your own posts to the
> list?
> > If you are not receiving your own emails you send to the list, that may have
> been set to no.  I believe it was set to Yes by default.
> > If you are concerned about your outgoing messages, you could also take a look
> at the setting Receive acknowledgement mail when you send mail to the list?
> >
> > If you remember your password, you can check the settings at
> > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/options/elecraft
> >
> > John, KC7DRI
> >
> 
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From mails at qrp4fun.de  Mon Nov 18 13:57:57 2019
From: mails at qrp4fun.de (Ingo Meyer, DK3RED)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 19:57:57 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] KXUSB
Message-ID: <cc981a3b-6e61-ea52-8245-e2d24bdeaafc@qrp4fun.de>

Hello Elecrafters,


It is possible to control the KX3 via an USB cable named KXUSB. The cable I have is too 
long for my station, so I always have to roll it in. I could buy a shorter cable. But I 
don't know if it fits. Is the KXUSB the same as a normal USB TTL converter cable?


73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Nov 18 14:17:44 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 14:17:44 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] KXUSB
In-Reply-To: <cc981a3b-6e61-ea52-8245-e2d24bdeaafc@qrp4fun.de>
References: <cc981a3b-6e61-ea52-8245-e2d24bdeaafc@qrp4fun.de>
Message-ID: <2a6a8443-e2e6-9c20-64cd-00e01154ec5e@embarqmail.com>

Ingo,

The KXUSB is an FTDI USB to serial adapter with a 3.5mm plug on the 
serial end.  Yes, it will provide computer control of the KX3 through 
many software applications that support the KX3.  That adapter can also 
be used to allow KX3 Utility to load firmware and do other functions.

If you have a normal USB to serial adapter, you can easily build a short 
equivalent of the KXSER cable - there is a schematic shown in the XG3 
manual near the end.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/18/2019 1:57 PM, Ingo Meyer, DK3RED wrote:
> Hello Elecrafters,
> 
> 
> It is possible to control the KX3 via an USB cable named KXUSB. The 
> cable I have is too long for my station, so I always have to roll it in. 
> I could buy a shorter cable. But I don't know if it fits. Is the KXUSB 
> the same as a normal USB TTL converter cable?

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Mon Nov 18 14:19:12 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 14:19:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector email problems
In-Reply-To: <059e01d59e40$cdba6ca0$692f45e0$@gmail.com>
References: <3d1f4060-528c-0b68-9e6c-409a02ddc7cd@coho.net>
	<CAK+fsRXcgnT7gsi67qcwcMWqpOJN8N9bYzOxikp4kr+n0=TtDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<ba7b23ad-1fb9-1bc0-0419-39b98b0f1312@coho.net>
	<CAD4CdTPZFEHQUbdeApR+XjK73oUAz6xz6eY_--RvxV=pJu7CAg@mail.gmail.com>
	<8A70F708D37C4218A8E68ED5720DF465@DougTPC>
	<CAGYgfuN2KsiAhvRo9YOsBLCr9+au1cu1RmEagp-Me2=wHMrw1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<MWHPR11MB1246E5839EB5A50E7A0A5ADED94D0@MWHPR11MB1246.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
	<934F3011-EA1B-464D-9FCE-6AA4B8D52BEB@gmail.com>
	<059e01d59e40$cdba6ca0$692f45e0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <645CF015-ABF1-4D94-8F2E-F13F8745A2E9@gmail.com>

Maybe so.  But it doesn?t happen on ALL lists, including other lists on mailman.  I?ll look into it.

In any case, in some ways it?s a benefit.  Since I don?t get the email back, I?m not immediately embarrassed by unfortunate typos, autocorrect foolishness, their/they?re/there oopsies, hanging fragments left over from editing, etc.  Makes for a better day :-)

Grant NQ5T

> On Nov 18, 2019, at 1:48 PM, Mike Flowers <mike.flowers at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> It's Gmail ...
> 
> http://blog.simplelists.com/gmail-solution-mail-sent-to-a-list-doesnt-show-in-inbox/
> 
> - 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, NCDXC Secretary
> 


From paul at paulbaldock.com  Mon Nov 18 14:34:04 2019
From: paul at paulbaldock.com (Paul Baldock)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 11:34:04 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 wish list
In-Reply-To: <cdd6c007-8a4b-388f-8b2d-001739ac8f84@comcast.net>
References: <cdd6c007-8a4b-388f-8b2d-001739ac8f84@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <5dd2f251.1c69fb81.3ee7a.6367@mx.google.com>

In my experience for  the amplifier gain to be 
flat across a band it requires the output SWR to 
1.1:1 or better. So the solution is to use the 
internal tuner on all frequencies that you do not 
have a perfect match. I have manually tweaked 
(with amp in standby and running 50W) my auto 
learned atu settings to get as close to 0W 
reflected power as possible. It takes a while to do this but its worth it.

- Paul; KW7Y

At 08:29 AM 11/18/2019, N4ZR wrote:
>Here's one that I kept running into.?  My 
>K3/KPA-1500 when operating at one end of the 
>band on 40 and 80, would work fine, but when I 
>went to the other end?  I found that often I 
>would be running over 1500 watts, and sometimes, 
>the result would be reflected power exceeding 
>200 watts, causing a fault.?  For those of us 
>who have the Aux port cable connected, wouldn't 
>it be pretty simple for the KPA-1500 to turn 
>down the K3's power to limit output to 1500 
>watts? -- 73, Pete N4ZR Check out the Reverse 
>Beacon Network at <http://reversebeacon.net>, 
>now spotting RTTY activity worldwide. For spots, 
>please use your favorite "retail" DX cluster. 
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Nov 18 14:36:40 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 11:36:40 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 RX routing?
In-Reply-To: <CABS7SRCYS0o9NJH2rsa1Cd=29hgQi-GFACr+8_F3sYo6dEgWpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACYeN9wH1n=WLKx=X5ShM_heck6tCnb0n-wwTJLzLeF0cm9H=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABS7SRCYS0o9NJH2rsa1Cd=29hgQi-GFACr+8_F3sYo6dEgWpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7B901CAB-A2FF-40AA-8291-699548DB43A6@elecraft.com>

Carl,

I?m out if town today but will reply in detail when I return. 

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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> On Nov 18, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Carl Clawson <clawsoncw at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Further on this:
> 
> Please include a comprehensive description of RX antenna routing in the K4
> manual. I could never understand the K3 with much confidence until I read
> Fred Cady's KE7X (SK) book, and sadly Fred will not be writing a K4 book.
> Just try figuring out what "RX Ant Out" does by reading the K3 manual. You
> can GUESS what it does but a manual shouldn't leave you guessing.
> 
> 73 -- Carl WS7L
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 8:54 AM Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Like many I'd like to get the feed from my RX antenna to both the RX in and
>> Aux in. Some just do a parallel connection while others use a splitter.
>> 
>> Does the K4 have any tricks up its sleeve to do this without an external
>> splitter?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Jim ab3cv
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From markmusick at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 18 14:38:59 2019
From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (markmusick at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 19:38:59 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 push buttons no longer workin
In-Reply-To: <efc3a246-6758-f260-bc5c-fcbfc523ab86@darc.de>
References: <9C2CE80A-BC39-4888-95E8-2929AE1A69A1.ref@yahoo.com>	<9C2CE80A-BC39-4888-95E8-2929AE1A69A1@yahoo.com>
	<efc3a246-6758-f260-bc5c-fcbfc523ab86@darc.de>
Message-ID: <000e01d59e47$d41acb10$7c506130$@sbcglobal.net>

Mark,
What is the serial number of your K3?
Later K3s above serial number approximately 4000-4100 have a different encoder.
My serial # 3505 had to have the encoders replaced.
The new encoders are apparently more robust. I have not had any trouble with the encoders on K3 serial #7436.
My brother-in-law now has K3 serial #3505 and has not had any problems since their replacement in 2015.

73,
Mark, WB9CIF

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Christian Friess
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 18:15
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 push buttons no longer workin

In my case the 4 rotary encoders had to be replaced.

73 de Chris, DL2MDU

Am 18.11.2019 um 17:44 schrieb Mpridesti via Elecraft:
> Specifically the front panel button to select shift Lo Hi Width do not toggle. Only stays in FC or BW.
>
> Did a firmware reload (newest from web) and no change.
>
> What?s the fix?
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark, K1RX
>
>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Nov 18 14:40:10 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 14:40:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 push buttons no longer workin
In-Reply-To: <9C2CE80A-BC39-4888-95E8-2929AE1A69A1@yahoo.com>
References: <9C2CE80A-BC39-4888-95E8-2929AE1A69A1.ref@yahoo.com>
	<9C2CE80A-BC39-4888-95E8-2929AE1A69A1@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <35092aff-3a5f-cad2-ab50-26d6240851dc@embarqmail.com>

Mark,

Replace the encoder with its built-in switch.  While you are at it, you 
may as well replace all 4 of them.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/18/2019 11:44 AM, Mpridesti via Elecraft wrote:
> Specifically the front panel button to select shift Lo Hi Width do not toggle. Only stays in FC or BW.
> 
> Did a firmware reload (newest from web) and no change.
> 
> What?s the fix?

From mpridesti at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 14:46:06 2019
From: mpridesti at yahoo.com (Mpridesti)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 14:46:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 push buttons no longer workin
In-Reply-To: <efc3a246-6758-f260-bc5c-fcbfc523ab86@darc.de>
References: <9C2CE80A-BC39-4888-95E8-2929AE1A69A1.ref@yahoo.com>
	<9C2CE80A-BC39-4888-95E8-2929AE1A69A1@yahoo.com>
	<efc3a246-6758-f260-bc5c-fcbfc523ab86@darc.de>
Message-ID: <7F18C221-BEF0-4D54-9D2C-B8848156FF01@yahoo.com>

Hate to have to send it back to the factory at this time of the year. Is there a work around?

Regards,

Mark, K1RX


> On Nov 18, 2019, at 1:15 PM, Christian Friess <dl2mdu at darc.de> wrote:
> 
> In my case the 4 rotary encoders had to be replaced.
> 
> 73 de Chris, DL2MDU
> 
>> Am 18.11.2019 um 17:44 schrieb Mpridesti via Elecraft:
>> Specifically the front panel button to select shift Lo Hi Width do not toggle. Only stays in FC or BW.
>> 
>> Did a firmware reload (newest from web) and no change.
>> 
>> What?s the fix?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Mark, K1RX
>> 
>> 
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From mpridesti at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 14:46:06 2019
From: mpridesti at yahoo.com (Mpridesti)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 14:46:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 push buttons no longer workin
In-Reply-To: <efc3a246-6758-f260-bc5c-fcbfc523ab86@darc.de>
References: <9C2CE80A-BC39-4888-95E8-2929AE1A69A1.ref@yahoo.com>
	<9C2CE80A-BC39-4888-95E8-2929AE1A69A1@yahoo.com>
	<efc3a246-6758-f260-bc5c-fcbfc523ab86@darc.de>
Message-ID: <7F18C221-BEF0-4D54-9D2C-B8848156FF01@yahoo.com>

Hate to have to send it back to the factory at this time of the year. Is there a work around?

Regards,

Mark, K1RX


> On Nov 18, 2019, at 1:15 PM, Christian Friess <dl2mdu at darc.de> wrote:
> 
> In my case the 4 rotary encoders had to be replaced.
> 
> 73 de Chris, DL2MDU
> 
>> Am 18.11.2019 um 17:44 schrieb Mpridesti via Elecraft:
>> Specifically the front panel button to select shift Lo Hi Width do not toggle. Only stays in FC or BW.
>> 
>> Did a firmware reload (newest from web) and no change.
>> 
>> What?s the fix?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Mark, K1RX
>> 
>> 
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From mpridesti at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 15:00:10 2019
From: mpridesti at yahoo.com (Mpridesti)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 15:00:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 push buttons no longer workin
In-Reply-To: <000e01d59e47$d41acb10$7c506130$@sbcglobal.net>
References: <9C2CE80A-BC39-4888-95E8-2929AE1A69A1.ref@yahoo.com>
	<9C2CE80A-BC39-4888-95E8-2929AE1A69A1@yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <8D657D1D-5E02-488C-B828-9ED5B159C9AD@yahoo.com>

Serial number is 6587

Regards,

Mark, K1RX


> On Nov 18, 2019, at 2:38 PM, <markmusick at sbcglobal.net> <markmusick at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> Mark,
> What is the serial number of your K3?
> Later K3s above serial number approximately 4000-4100 have a different encoder.
> My serial # 3505 had to have the encoders replaced.
> The new encoders are apparently more robust. I have not had any trouble with the encoders on K3 serial #7436.
> My brother-in-law now has K3 serial #3505 and has not had any problems since their replacement in 2015.
> 
> 73,
> Mark, WB9CIF
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Christian Friess
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 18:15
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 push buttons no longer workin
> 
> In my case the 4 rotary encoders had to be replaced.
> 
> 73 de Chris, DL2MDU
> 
>> Am 18.11.2019 um 17:44 schrieb Mpridesti via Elecraft:
>> Specifically the front panel button to select shift Lo Hi Width do not toggle. Only stays in FC or BW.
>> 
>> Did a firmware reload (newest from web) and no change.
>> 
>> What?s the fix?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Mark, K1RX
>> 
>> 
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From mpridesti at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 15:00:10 2019
From: mpridesti at yahoo.com (Mpridesti)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 15:00:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 push buttons no longer workin
In-Reply-To: <000e01d59e47$d41acb10$7c506130$@sbcglobal.net>
References: <9C2CE80A-BC39-4888-95E8-2929AE1A69A1.ref@yahoo.com>
	<9C2CE80A-BC39-4888-95E8-2929AE1A69A1@yahoo.com>
	<efc3a246-6758-f260-bc5c-fcbfc523ab86@darc.de>
	<000e01d59e47$d41acb10$7c506130$@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <8D657D1D-5E02-488C-B828-9ED5B159C9AD@yahoo.com>

Serial number is 6587

Regards,

Mark, K1RX


> On Nov 18, 2019, at 2:38 PM, <markmusick at sbcglobal.net> <markmusick at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> Mark,
> What is the serial number of your K3?
> Later K3s above serial number approximately 4000-4100 have a different encoder.
> My serial # 3505 had to have the encoders replaced.
> The new encoders are apparently more robust. I have not had any trouble with the encoders on K3 serial #7436.
> My brother-in-law now has K3 serial #3505 and has not had any problems since their replacement in 2015.
> 
> 73,
> Mark, WB9CIF
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Christian Friess
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 18:15
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 push buttons no longer workin
> 
> In my case the 4 rotary encoders had to be replaced.
> 
> 73 de Chris, DL2MDU
> 
>> Am 18.11.2019 um 17:44 schrieb Mpridesti via Elecraft:
>> Specifically the front panel button to select shift Lo Hi Width do not toggle. Only stays in FC or BW.
>> 
>> Did a firmware reload (newest from web) and no change.
>> 
>> What?s the fix?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Mark, K1RX
>> 
>> 
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From oldgun92 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 15:02:23 2019
From: oldgun92 at yahoo.com (ron park)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 20:02:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 in radio-set-go pelican box
References: <690743505.2773275.1574107343040.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <690743505.2773275.1574107343040@mail.yahoo.com>


KX2 in radio-set-go pelican box complete with the larger of his 2 batteries,flexible mic and great speakers. Also zero beat lighting. No key, plug in any small or regular size key. Radio has a real time clock and ?ATU. The original KX2 battery and charger is included. Rig is like new and never used in the field. I accept PayPal at this email address and will ship priority mail in conus. This is a real bargain if you want a durable effective radio at a sweet price ?Radio -set -go alone cost me 600.00Price 1200.00 par reply off list
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From eric at elecraft.com  Mon Nov 18 15:05:25 2019
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 12:05:25 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector email problems
In-Reply-To: <645CF015-ABF1-4D94-8F2E-F13F8745A2E9@gmail.com>
References: <3d1f4060-528c-0b68-9e6c-409a02ddc7cd@coho.net>
	<CAK+fsRXcgnT7gsi67qcwcMWqpOJN8N9bYzOxikp4kr+n0=TtDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<ba7b23ad-1fb9-1bc0-0419-39b98b0f1312@coho.net>
	<CAD4CdTPZFEHQUbdeApR+XjK73oUAz6xz6eY_--RvxV=pJu7CAg@mail.gmail.com>
	<8A70F708D37C4218A8E68ED5720DF465@DougTPC>
	<CAGYgfuN2KsiAhvRo9YOsBLCr9+au1cu1RmEagp-Me2=wHMrw1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<MWHPR11MB1246E5839EB5A50E7A0A5ADED94D0@MWHPR11MB1246.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
	<934F3011-EA1B-464D-9FCE-6AA4B8D52BEB@gmail.com>
	<059e01d59e40$cdba6ca0$692f45e0$@gmail.com>
	<645CF015-ABF1-4D94-8F2E-F13F8745A2E9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4d936a47-a4e1-5223-4a83-32edbb0e8484@elecraft.com>

And with that, let's close this thread. :-)
We're well over 10 posts on the topic.

Eric
Mooderator
/elecraft.com/

On 11/18/2019 11:19 AM, Grant Youngman wrote:
> Maybe so.  But it doesn?t happen on ALL lists, including other lists on mailman.  I?ll look into it.
>
> In any case, in some ways it?s a benefit.  Since I don?t get the email back, I?m not immediately embarrassed by unfortunate typos, autocorrect foolishness, their/they?re/there oopsies, hanging fragments left over from editing, etc.  Makes for a better day :-)
>
> Grant NQ5T
>


From keith at elecraft.com  Mon Nov 18 15:21:17 2019
From: keith at elecraft.com (Keith Trinity WE6R)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 12:21:17 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 push buttons no longer workin
In-Reply-To: <9C2CE80A-BC39-4888-95E8-2929AE1A69A1@yahoo.com>
References: <9C2CE80A-BC39-4888-95E8-2929AE1A69A1@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f7d4e09e-2db4-b1be-2ab4-34d8365c2859@elecraft.com>

It is probably a bad encoder. Leaky pushbutton disrupting the switch matrix.
To confirm, try the switchtest in the config menu.
If switchtest is OK,  some modes don't allow you to change the width, 
try SSB I believe.
If it is the encoder, replace all 4. If it is an older radio, send it in 
and we can do it, and there are a lot of updates and optional upgrades.
Keith WE6R


From ab2tc at arrl.net  Mon Nov 18 15:22:58 2019
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 13:22:58 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 SWR Calibration
In-Reply-To: <833d9c8f-23ed-5abd-30c8-3c183b20a07c@charter.net>
References: <3aface68-9b1b-2371-28fd-fe0b26c128eb@coho.net>
	<0eaa54b4-1482-a4f2-b1c3-e0ed29c35795@blomand.net>
	<CE8D16F8-FD90-4C3F-AC7F-485DB404D756@me.com>
	<4ba151ca-ca40-d4c7-8f9c-6998c0d42e4a@blomand.net>
	<833d9c8f-23ed-5abd-30c8-3c183b20a07c@charter.net>
Message-ID: <1574108578001-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi all,

I am not familiar with the term "Breune" as applied to SWR bridges or
directional couplers, so I Googled it. As I suspected, it applies to the
single transformer design where the RF voltage is sampled by a capacitive
divider. While these can be made to work adequately well when properly
adjusted, the need for adjustment is a definite disadvantage. As long as the
two transformers in the two transformer design are well matched (ideally
identical) there is no need for any (balance or null) adjustment in this
design. I am happy to see that all of the Elecraft equipment I have seen use
the the two transformer design.

AB2TC - Knut


AJ8MH-Radio.Joe.Hutchens wrote
> I know I've seen an explanation somewhere, but it's common to have 
> different readings between the tuner, amp and rig when connected to an 
> antenna. Readings seem to even out when connected to a dummy load...at 
> least in my case. 20 meters is my worst, and the amp will kick out at
> times.
> 
> On 11/17/2019 2:19 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> Jack, et.al.
>>
>> Thanks,? Yes I see from the circuit it is not a Breune.?? I have 
>> calibrated the indications for power and all is well in that regard.? 
>> I just see a higher SWR that actually exists.? That under certain 
>> conditions causes the amp to fault. ? I'll figure a work-a-round and 
>> be able to deal with it.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Bob, K4TAX
>>
>>
>> On 11/17/2019 10:12 AM, Jack Brindle wrote:
>>> Bob;
>>>
>>> The KPA500 does not use a Breune style bridge, but rather a true 
>>> directional coupler. It does not need to be nulled; there is no 
>>> adjustment.
>>>
>>> There is an adjustment for the power; see the PWR ADJ setting in the 
>>> manual.
>>>
>>> 73!
>>> Jack, W6FB
>>>
> <snip>





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From jackbrindle at me.com  Mon Nov 18 15:44:06 2019
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 12:44:06 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 SWR Calibration
In-Reply-To: <1574108578001-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <3aface68-9b1b-2371-28fd-fe0b26c128eb@coho.net>
	<0eaa54b4-1482-a4f2-b1c3-e0ed29c35795@blomand.net>
	<CE8D16F8-FD90-4C3F-AC7F-485DB404D756@me.com>
	<4ba151ca-ca40-d4c7-8f9c-6998c0d42e4a@blomand.net>
	<833d9c8f-23ed-5abd-30c8-3c183b20a07c@charter.net>
	<1574108578001-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <D2CCBC92-AF6E-4645-AD61-7242CAD4BDAD@me.com>

The Breune Bridge directional coupler, designed by and named for Warren Breune of Collins Radio, can be a very accurate and useful device for measuring power. I was lucky to learn about it from W1FB when we both worked at the League. Elecraft has used it in several radios, including the K2.

We moved to the two-toroid directional coupler many years ago when we went to higher power designs. This coupler has the advantage that it is the turns count on the toroids that determines the amount of signal available at the sampling port. I believe the KPA500 uses a 30db coupler (not exactly 30db, but very close). There are no capacitors or pots to adjust, so the measurement accuracy essentially is determined by the tolerance of the components in the circuit - namely the resistors and capacitors, as well as the measurement device. These days that is the ADC on the micro controller that is calculating and displaying the measurement.

As in all measurement devices, the accuracy is not absolute, but depends on these tolerances. We provide the ability to adjust the measurement data so that if you have a highly accurate and well calibrated device, you can use it to calibrate the power that the Elecraft device displays.

Warren Breune created some really fantastic things, including the directional coupler that bears his name.

73!
Jack, W6FB


> On Nov 18, 2019, at 12:22 PM, ab2tc <ab2tc at arrl.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I am not familiar with the term "Breune" as applied to SWR bridges or
> directional couplers, so I Googled it. As I suspected, it applies to the
> single transformer design where the RF voltage is sampled by a capacitive
> divider. While these can be made to work adequately well when properly
> adjusted, the need for adjustment is a definite disadvantage. As long as the
> two transformers in the two transformer design are well matched (ideally
> identical) there is no need for any (balance or null) adjustment in this
> design. I am happy to see that all of the Elecraft equipment I have seen use
> the the two transformer design.
> 
> AB2TC - Knut
> 
> 
> AJ8MH-Radio.Joe.Hutchens wrote
>> I know I've seen an explanation somewhere, but it's common to have 
>> different readings between the tuner, amp and rig when connected to an 
>> antenna. Readings seem to even out when connected to a dummy load...at 
>> least in my case. 20 meters is my worst, and the amp will kick out at
>> times.
>> 
>> On 11/17/2019 2:19 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>>> Jack, et.al.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,  Yes I see from the circuit it is not a Breune.   I have 
>>> calibrated the indications for power and all is well in that regard.  
>>> I just see a higher SWR that actually exists.  That under certain 
>>> conditions causes the amp to fault.   I'll figure a work-a-round and 
>>> be able to deal with it.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> 
>>> Bob, K4TAX
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11/17/2019 10:12 AM, Jack Brindle wrote:
>>>> Bob;
>>>> 
>>>> The KPA500 does not use a Breune style bridge, but rather a true 
>>>> directional coupler. It does not need to be nulled; there is no 
>>>> adjustment.
>>>> 
>>>> There is an adjustment for the power; see the PWR ADJ setting in the 
>>>> manual.
>>>> 
>>>> 73!
>>>> Jack, W6FB
>>>> 
>> <snip>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From dd0vs at gmx.de  Mon Nov 18 15:45:01 2019
From: dd0vs at gmx.de (Harald Fritzsche)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 21:45:01 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Using external SDR and a K3 as antenna splitter
Message-ID: <AE719DDE-49C6-4F42-A528-F33AFE63C4A9@gmx.de>

Hello,
I am using a splitter in the external RX path as shown on my QRZ page.

So the Splitter and the SDR are protected from high Power load.

Hope that helps
Vy73
Harald
DD0VS

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 18.11.2019 um 17:10 schrieb Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net>:
>

From turnbull at net1.ie  Mon Nov 18 16:13:10 2019
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 21:13:10 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 RX routing?
In-Reply-To: <CABS7SRCYS0o9NJH2rsa1Cd=29hgQi-GFACr+8_F3sYo6dEgWpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACYeN9wH1n=WLKx=X5ShM_heck6tCnb0n-wwTJLzLeF0cm9H=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABS7SRCYS0o9NJH2rsa1Cd=29hgQi-GFACr+8_F3sYo6dEgWpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <833928CA187A4C349FCEB6A745FAFB71@DougTPC>

Dear OMs and YLs,
     Carl is absolutely right.  The K4 and its different variations is a
complex radio.   We need someone to write a "Lady Bird" users guide.    Fred
Cady did a great job and is sorely missed.    Now Elecraft has a new
challenge.   You produce good manuals but perhaps did not have the time to
do what Fred did and after all Fred was a retired EE professor - a great
teacher.   The manual is important!   You are writing in your native tongue
and hopefully will do a great job as you do every where else.

                73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Carl Clawson
Sent: 18 November 2019 17:21
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 RX routing?

Further on this:

Please include a comprehensive description of RX antenna routing in the K4
manual. I could never understand the K3 with much confidence until I read
Fred Cady's KE7X (SK) book, and sadly Fred will not be writing a K4 book.
Just try figuring out what "RX Ant Out" does by reading the K3 manual. You
can GUESS what it does but a manual shouldn't leave you guessing.

73 -- Carl WS7L

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 8:54 AM Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:

> Like many I'd like to get the feed from my RX antenna to both the RX in
and
> Aux in. Some just do a parallel connection while others use a splitter.
>
> Does the K4 have any tricks up its sleeve to do this without an external
> splitter?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jim ab3cv
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Mon Nov 18 16:46:43 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 14:46:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 SWR Calibration
In-Reply-To: <833d9c8f-23ed-5abd-30c8-3c183b20a07c@charter.net>
References: <3aface68-9b1b-2371-28fd-fe0b26c128eb@coho.net>
	<0eaa54b4-1482-a4f2-b1c3-e0ed29c35795@blomand.net> <CE8D16F8-FD90-4C3F-
	AC7F-485DB404D756@me.com>
	<4ba151ca-ca40-d4c7-8f9c-6998c0d42e4a@blomand.net>
	<833d9c8f-23ed-5abd-30c8-3c183b20a07c@charter.net>
Message-ID: <055935fa-64b2-1c30-3faf-27c1c6cb9f56@triconet.org>

http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-SWR-Numerical-Indication-td7643839.html#a7643944



On 11/17/2019 2:34 PM, AJ8MH Radio wrote:
> I know I've seen an explanation somewhere, but it's common to have different 
> readings between the tuner, amp and rig when connected to an antenna. Readings 
> seem to even out when connected to a dummy load...at least in my case. 20 
> meters is my worst, and the amp will kick out at times.
>
>


From n4zr at comcast.net  Mon Nov 18 17:02:09 2019
From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 17:02:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Using external SDR and a K3 as antenna splitter
In-Reply-To: <bcb38922-b3f1-275c-2355-91c2f49f2c48@nk7z.net>
References: <bcb38922-b3f1-275c-2355-91c2f49f2c48@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <b20c2a47-7c3e-2e9c-a69c-98c2762b1619@comcast.net>

I was just asking myself the same question.? There is probably a drawing 
in the Cady book, but the best explanation in the manual is in words, 
not pictures, on page 39.? In any case, you are exactly correct in your 
description of the RX Out-Splitter-RX In loop.? The only downside is a 
loss of 3-4 dB due to the splitter, and the fact that you're taking up 
the RX In jack which you might otherwise use for a receiving antenna.? 
You must select the RX antenna to connect the IN/OUT loop to the main 
antenna

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

On 11/18/2019 11:06 AM, Dave Cole wrote:
> A few years ago someone posted a method of using a splitter, and the 
> External Antenna jacks to feed an external SDR with the direct 
> antenna, not a IF, but a wideband signal from the primary antenna...
>
> I think it was something along the lines of add a splitter, between 
> the RX Antenna in/out, and then picking off the antenna feed to the 
> SDR from an output of the splitter...?? Does this make sense?
>
> Is there a high level block diagram showing the antenna pathing for a 
> K3, with the ATU installed, and how the front panel switch labeled RX 
> ANT controls the signal path?
>

From bjorn at ekelund.nu  Mon Nov 18 17:25:09 2019
From: bjorn at ekelund.nu (=?UTF-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn_Ekelund?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 23:25:09 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Using external SDR and a K3 as antenna splitter
In-Reply-To: <b20c2a47-7c3e-2e9c-a69c-98c2762b1619@comcast.net>
References: <bcb38922-b3f1-275c-2355-91c2f49f2c48@nk7z.net>
	<b20c2a47-7c3e-2e9c-a69c-98c2762b1619@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CABmD_KS2Kx1THVhrcYNRSozUX-VJ78KgKwcRDQf_ZD8F31OD+w@mail.gmail.com>

Bob N6TV made a very nice presentation a few years ago, which included a
description.

He has published it here http://tinyurl.com/4zama4

73,

Bj?rn SM7IUN

Den m?n 18 nov. 2019 kl 23:04 skrev N4ZR <n4zr at comcast.net>:

> I was just asking myself the same question.  There is probably a drawing
> in the Cady book, but the best explanation in the manual is in words,
> not pictures, on page 39.  In any case, you are exactly correct in your
> description of the RX Out-Splitter-RX In loop.  The only downside is a
> loss of 3-4 dB due to the splitter, and the fact that you're taking up
> the RX In jack which you might otherwise use for a receiving antenna.
> You must select the RX antenna to connect the IN/OUT loop to the main
> antenna
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
> at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
> spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
> For spots, please use your favorite
> "retail" DX cluster.
>
> On 11/18/2019 11:06 AM, Dave Cole wrote:
> > A few years ago someone posted a method of using a splitter, and the
> > External Antenna jacks to feed an external SDR with the direct
> > antenna, not a IF, but a wideband signal from the primary antenna...
> >
> > I think it was something along the lines of add a splitter, between
> > the RX Antenna in/out, and then picking off the antenna feed to the
> > SDR from an output of the splitter...   Does this make sense?
> >
> > Is there a high level block diagram showing the antenna pathing for a
> > K3, with the ATU installed, and how the front panel switch labeled RX
> > ANT controls the signal path?
> >
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From rick.nk7i at gmail.com  Mon Nov 18 17:50:06 2019
From: rick.nk7i at gmail.com (Rick Bates, NK7I)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 14:50:06 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 push buttons no longer workin
In-Reply-To: <7F18C221-BEF0-4D54-9D2C-B8848156FF01@yahoo.com>
References: <9C2CE80A-BC39-4888-95E8-2929AE1A69A1.ref@yahoo.com>
	<9C2CE80A-BC39-4888-95E8-2929AE1A69A1@yahoo.com>
	<efc3a246-6758-f260-bc5c-fcbfc523ab86@darc.de>
	<7F18C221-BEF0-4D54-9D2C-B8848156FF01@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c1f42790-8833-048f-3e77-f742ae739572@gmail.com>

You might be able to use a radio control program (HRD being one) since 
the controls simply tell the CPU what to do.? Not ideal but you'd be on 
the air again while researching a proper fix.

73
Rick NK7I


On 11/18/2019 11:46 AM, Mpridesti via Elecraft wrote:
> Hate to have to send it back to the factory at this time of the year. Is there a work around?
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark, K1RX
>
>
>> On Nov 18, 2019, at 1:15 PM, Christian Friess <dl2mdu at darc.de> wrote:
>>
>> In my case the 4 rotary encoders had to be replaced.
>>
>> 73 de Chris, DL2MDU
>>
>>> Am 18.11.2019 um 17:44 schrieb Mpridesti via Elecraft:
>>> Specifically the front panel button to select shift Lo Hi Width do not toggle. Only stays in FC or BW.
>>>
>>> Did a firmware reload (newest from web) and no change.
>>>
>>> What?s the fix?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Mark, K1RX
>>>
>>>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Nov 18 20:18:50 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 17:18:50 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 wish list
In-Reply-To: <5dd2f251.1c69fb81.3ee7a.6367@mx.google.com>
References: <cdd6c007-8a4b-388f-8b2d-001739ac8f84@comcast.net>
	<5dd2f251.1c69fb81.3ee7a.6367@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <8fb70f16-651f-437e-b2af-96e09dcf043b@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 11/18/2019 11:34 AM, Paul Baldock wrote:
> I have manually tweaked (with amp in standby and running 50W) my auto 
> learned atu settings to get as close to 0W reflected power as possible.

Yes, and this is exactly what the manual says to do -- before using the 
amp, train the tuner by tuning at multiple frequencies in each band, AND 
for each antenna that you use on that band. The tuner is smart enough to 
select between multiple "trainings" when you use more than one antenna.

73, Jim K9YC

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Nov 18 20:40:25 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 19:40:25 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 wish list
In-Reply-To: <8fb70f16-651f-437e-b2af-96e09dcf043b@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <cdd6c007-8a4b-388f-8b2d-001739ac8f84@comcast.net>
	<5dd2f251.1c69fb81.3ee7a.6367@mx.google.com>
	<8fb70f16-651f-437e-b2af-96e09dcf043b@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <f1950d74-a3ea-fb4c-b45e-174690cf3685@blomand.net>

Yes and I have trained my tuner to use the same frequency on different 
antennas.? Thus when I switch antennas it does not require any 
re-tuning, only push the ANT selector for the preferred antenna of 
choice at the moment.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 11/18/2019 7:18 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 11/18/2019 11:34 AM, Paul Baldock wrote:
>> I have manually tweaked (with amp in standby and running 50W) my auto 
>> learned atu settings to get as close to 0W reflected power as possible.
>
> Yes, and this is exactly what the manual says to do -- before using 
> the amp, train the tuner by tuning at multiple frequencies in each 
> band, AND for each antenna that you use on that band. The tuner is 
> smart enough to select between multiple "trainings" when you use more 
> than one antenna.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Nov 18 21:10:12 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 20:10:12 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 SWR Calibration
In-Reply-To: <055935fa-64b2-1c30-3faf-27c1c6cb9f56@triconet.org>
References: <3aface68-9b1b-2371-28fd-fe0b26c128eb@coho.net>
	<0eaa54b4-1482-a4f2-b1c3-e0ed29c35795@blomand.net> <CE8D16F8-FD90-4C3F-
	AC7F-485DB404D756@me.com>
	<4ba151ca-ca40-d4c7-8f9c-6998c0d42e4a@blomand.net>
	<833d9c8f-23ed-5abd-30c8-3c183b20a07c@charter.net>
	<055935fa-64b2-1c30-3faf-27c1c6cb9f56@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <6fde7f5a-bd79-8dbd-001a-a5f3a951c334@blomand.net>

I've been doing a bit of looking at SWR indications.? The numbers are 
factually frightful.?? With 100 watts forward power and 0.25 watts 
reflected the SWR is 1.1:1.??? And with 500 watts forward and 1.25 watts 
reflected the SWR is still 1.1:1.??? I believe that says 0.25% of the 
power is being reflected.?? But I ask, what is the SWR at the antenna 
feed point?? It is certainly higher than at the transmitter due to feed 
line losses.

In using 100 ft of RG-213 at 14 MHz, the matched line loss is 0.780 
dB.?? With a 1.1:1 SWR the total loss goes up by 0.001 dB and the SWR at 
the Load is 1.12:1 where Z = 48.25 -j4.63 ohms.

All of this is just "killer math" and makes absolutely no difference 
except to the operator that expects an SWR of 1.0:1 all the time.

73

Bob, K4TAX


> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-SWR-Numerical-Indication-td7643839.html#a7643944 
>
>
>


From k9yeq at live.com  Mon Nov 18 21:23:42 2019
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 02:23:42 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Low Gain / Attenuator
In-Reply-To: <f80f490f-0276-5b8a-abc6-971897e67e9d@k5kg.com>
References: <f80f490f-0276-5b8a-abc6-971897e67e9d@k5kg.com>
Message-ID: <BN8PR18MB29291F3065A4DD131E776D1F9C4C0@BN8PR18MB2929.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

George,  I didn't see a response.  I would reload your back up firmware.   If you didn't backup, then reload from website for the latest.

Bill
920-421-1172

________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of George I. Wagner <giwagner at k5kg.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 4:52:42 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Low Gain / Attenuator

My kPA1500 is showing this msg: ATTENUATE REASON NONE.  When keyed, the
amp displays LOW GAIN RATIO 1.  Is there a way to reset the amp to full
power?

73, George K5KG


--
George Wagner, K5KG
Sarasota, FL
giwagner at k5kg.com

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From n4zr at comcast.net  Mon Nov 18 21:32:22 2019
From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 21:32:22 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 wish list
In-Reply-To: <8fb70f16-651f-437e-b2af-96e09dcf043b@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <cdd6c007-8a4b-388f-8b2d-001739ac8f84@comcast.net>
	<5dd2f251.1c69fb81.3ee7a.6367@mx.google.com>
	<8fb70f16-651f-437e-b2af-96e09dcf043b@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <cabc4f83-641a-399b-69a1-2109a52ddaa9@comcast.net>

Jim, I think Paul is talking about something different here.? On Page 18 
of the manual it describes tapping the ATU Tune button again within 3 
seconds of completing the initial tune, to get closer yet.? I just tried 
it, and it works well so long as you have trained the tuner for both 
antennas on every segment.? Unfortunately, there appears to be no way to 
actually transmit the first character at full power when changing 
antennas or QSYing bigly.? I understand the tuner bypasses the amp until 
it has determined which setting it should use, which it can only do by 
learning what the load looks like by actually sending power into it.

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

On 11/18/2019 8:18 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 11/18/2019 11:34 AM, Paul Baldock wrote:
>> I have manually tweaked (with amp in standby and running 50W) my auto 
>> learned atu settings to get as close to 0W reflected power as possible.
>
> Yes, and this is exactly what the manual says to do -- before using 
> the amp, train the tuner by tuning at multiple frequencies in each 
> band, AND for each antenna that you use on that band. The tuner is 
> smart enough to select between multiple "trainings" when you use more 
> than one antenna.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
> ______________________________________________________________
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From k9ma at sdellington.us  Mon Nov 18 22:19:08 2019
From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 21:19:08 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 wish list
In-Reply-To: <cabc4f83-641a-399b-69a1-2109a52ddaa9@comcast.net>
References: <cdd6c007-8a4b-388f-8b2d-001739ac8f84@comcast.net>
	<5dd2f251.1c69fb81.3ee7a.6367@mx.google.com>
	<8fb70f16-651f-437e-b2af-96e09dcf043b@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<cabc4f83-641a-399b-69a1-2109a52ddaa9@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <27716d47-f0dd-0edc-a812-906977600277@sdellington.us>

There are a couple issues here.

First, even if the SWR is 1.2:1, about the best the KP1500 ATU firmware 
can do, across the whole band, the power can still vary a lot. It 
depends on the actual load impedance, which, at 1.2:1 could be anywhere 
from 42 to 60 Ohms. If you happened to be at 42 Ohms when you set the 
power to 1500 W, it could possibly go up to 2100 W elsewhere in the 
band. (Except, of course, that the KPA1500 won't let you do that.) The 
other issue is the temperature dependence: I find I have to reduce drive 
by about 20 percent when the amplifier is cold, or it will fault. Both 
of these problems could be solved by a slow feedback mechanism which 
adjusted the K3 output like we do manually. It might even remember 
previous settings as a function of PA temperature and frequency.

The second issue is that this is nothing like conventional ALC, a 
relatively fast feedback loop. ALC has proven to be highly problematic, 
so let's not go into that again. It's an entirely different issue. Yes, 
ALC that really worked well with an amplifier would make the above 
unnecessary, but I don't think anyone has figured out how to do that. 
Until someone does, a slow feedback loop adjusting drive power would 
solve the problem above, not introduce any distortion, and save us 
operators the bother of riding the power control.

73,
Scott K9MA

On 11/18/2019 20:32, N4ZR wrote:
> Jim, I think Paul is talking about something different here.? On Page 
> 18 of the manual it describes tapping the ATU Tune button again within 
> 3 seconds of completing the initial tune, to get closer yet.? I just 
> tried it, and it works well so long as you have trained the tuner for 
> both antennas on every segment. Unfortunately, there appears to be no 
> way to actually transmit the first character at full power when 
> changing antennas or QSYing bigly.? I understand the tuner bypasses 
> the amp until it has determined which setting it should use, which it 
> can only do by learning what the load looks like by actually sending 
> power into it.
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
> at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
> spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
> For spots, please use your favorite
> "retail" DX cluster.
>
> On 11/18/2019 8:18 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>> On 11/18/2019 11:34 AM, Paul Baldock wrote:
>>> I have manually tweaked (with amp in standby and running 50W) my 
>>> auto learned atu settings to get as close to 0W reflected power as 
>>> possible.
>>
>> Yes, and this is exactly what the manual says to do -- before using 
>> the amp, train the tuner by tuning at multiple frequencies in each 
>> band, AND for each antenna that you use on that band. The tuner is 
>> smart enough to select between multiple "trainings" when you use more 
>> than one antenna.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>> ______________________________________________________________ 

-- 
Scott  K9MA

k9ma at sdellington.us


From paul at paulbaldock.com  Mon Nov 18 22:52:36 2019
From: paul at paulbaldock.com (Paul Baldock)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 19:52:36 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 wish list
In-Reply-To: <27716d47-f0dd-0edc-a812-906977600277@sdellington.us>
References: <cdd6c007-8a4b-388f-8b2d-001739ac8f84@comcast.net>
	<5dd2f251.1c69fb81.3ee7a.6367@mx.google.com>
	<8fb70f16-651f-437e-b2af-96e09dcf043b@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<cabc4f83-641a-399b-69a1-2109a52ddaa9@comcast.net>
	<27716d47-f0dd-0edc-a812-906977600277@sdellington.us>
Message-ID: <5dd3670b.1c69fb81.fb48b.4a24@mx.google.com>

By "manually tuning" I mean using KPA1500 Utility 
program to tweak the L and C. In most cases you 
can get closer to zero reflected power than the 
automatic routine can. Getting the SWR down as 
close as possibly to 1.0:1 at all frequencies 
most certainly flattens the gain/frequency response.

If you know how to use the Utility program try it. You might be surprised.

You should also investigate the ^PB command, very 
useful if you have a high Q antenna. The ^PB 
command chooses the stored setting for the lowest 
SWR within  a segment. I have this mapped to PF1 
on the front panel and use it on 160M where the 
tuning segments are wide compared to the fast 
changing SWR (high Q) of my antenna. I also have 
WET and DRY settings for one of my antennas that are selected by PF1 (^PB).

- Paul  KW7Y

at 07:19 PM 11/18/2019, K9MA wrote:
>There are a couple issues here. First, even if 
>the SWR is 1.2:1, about the best the KP1500 ATU 
>firmware can do, across the whole band, the 
>power can still vary a lot. It depends on the 
>actual load impedance, which, at 1.2:1 could be 
>anywhere from 42 to 60 Ohms. If you happened to 
>be at 42 Ohms when you set the power to 1500 W, 
>it could possibly go up to 2100 W elsewhere in 
>the band. (Except, of course, that the KPA1500 
>won't let you do that.) The other issue is the 
>temperature dependence: I find I have to reduce 
>drive by about 20 percent when the amplifier is 
>cold, or it will fault. Both of these problems 
>could be solved by a slow feedback mechanism 
>which adjusted the K3 output like we do 
>manually. It might even remember previous 
>settings as a function of PA temperature and 
>frequency. The second issue is that this is 
>nothing like conventional ALC, a relatively fast 
>feedback loop. ALC has proven to be highly 
>problematic, so let's not go into that again. 
>It's an entirely different issue. Yes, ALC that 
>really worked well with an amplifier would make 
>the above unnecessary, but I don't think anyone 
>has figured out how to do that. Until someone 
>does, a slow feedback loop adjusting drive power 
>would solve the problem above, not introduce any 
>distortion, and save us operators the bother of 
>riding the power control. 73, Scott K9MA On 
>11/18/2019 20:32, N4ZR wrote: > Jim, I think 
>Paul is talking about something different 
>here.?  On Page > 18 of the manual it describes 
>tapping the ATU Tune button again within > 3 
>seconds of completing the initial tune, to get 
>closer yet.?  I just > tried it, and it works 
>well so long as you have trained the tuner for > 
>both antennas on every segment. Unfortunately, 
>there appears to be no > way to actually 
>transmit the first character at full power 
>when > changing antennas or QSYing bigly.?  I 
>understand the tuner bypasses > the amp until it 
>has determined which setting it should use, 
>which it > can only do by learning what the load 
>looks like by actually sending > power into 
>it. > > 73, Pete N4ZR > Check out the Reverse 
>Beacon Network > at <http://reversebeacon.net>, 
>now > spotting RTTY activity worldwide. > For 
>spots, please use your favorite > "retail" DX 
>cluster. > > On 11/18/2019 8:18 PM, Jim Brown 
>wrote: >> On 11/18/2019 11:34 AM, Paul Baldock 
>wrote: >>> I have manually tweaked (with amp in 
>standby and running 50W) my >>> auto learned atu 
>settings to get as close to 0W reflected power 
>as >>> possible. >> >> Yes, and this is exactly 
>what the manual says to do -- before using >> 
>the amp, train the tuner by tuning at multiple 
>frequencies in each >> band, AND for each 
>antenna that you use on that band. The tuner 
>is >> smart enough to select between multiple 
>"trainings" when you use more >> than one 
>antenna. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> 
>______________________________________________________________ 
>-- Scott  K9MA k9ma at sdellington.us 
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From k9ma at sdellington.us  Mon Nov 18 23:00:24 2019
From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 22:00:24 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 wish list
In-Reply-To: <5dd3670b.1c69fb81.fb48b.4a24@mx.google.com>
References: <cdd6c007-8a4b-388f-8b2d-001739ac8f84@comcast.net>
	<5dd2f251.1c69fb81.3ee7a.6367@mx.google.com>
	<8fb70f16-651f-437e-b2af-96e09dcf043b@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<cabc4f83-641a-399b-69a1-2109a52ddaa9@comcast.net>
	<27716d47-f0dd-0edc-a812-906977600277@sdellington.us>
	<5dd3670b.1c69fb81.fb48b.4a24@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <af9e1a18-1eaf-6fef-847f-ab6409fa15a2@sdellington.us>

On 11/18/2019 21:52, Paul Baldock wrote:
> I also have WET and DRY settings for one of my antennas that are 
> selected by PF1 (^PB).

Ah, but there can be more than two setting. A little wet, or a lot wet. 
Or, in the case of one of my antennas, varying amounts of frost.

73,

Scott K9MA

-- 
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k9ma at sdellington.us


From a.durbin at msn.com  Tue Nov 19 07:55:15 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 12:55:15 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 wish list
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB29680326C41E4B74BBC3D6848C4D0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29680326C41E4B74BBC3D6848C4D0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB2968C03292B00B1B6AB6C01D8C4C0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"Yes, ALC that really worked well with an amplifier would make the above 
unnecessary, but I don't think anyone has figured out how to do that. 
Until someone does, a slow feedback loop adjusting drive power would 
solve the problem above, not introduce any distortion, and save us 
operators the bother of riding the power control."

The significant problem with implementing closed loop power control is that it would only work (if it could work at all) with an Elecraft transceiver connected by the AUX cable.  The KPA1500 is marketed as being compatible with non-Elecraft transceivers.

Gain control contained within the KPA1500 would be an advantage to all KPA1500 owners, not just those with a fully integrated Elecraft transceiver.

Andy, k3wyc 




From k9ma at sdellington.us  Tue Nov 19 10:07:54 2019
From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 09:07:54 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 wish list
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB2968C03292B00B1B6AB6C01D8C4C0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29680326C41E4B74BBC3D6848C4D0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB2968C03292B00B1B6AB6C01D8C4C0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <934573d8-c14d-3cb5-ab78-ba2080e0aaa0@sdellington.us>

Gain control within the KPA1500 just wouldn't be practical. It would 
require addition of some sort of high power variable attenuator. Slow 
feedback to the K3, however, only requires some added firmware. No, it 
wouldn't work with other transceivers, but that's life. Perhaps someone 
would like to design an external box or write some PC software to 
perform that function.

73,
Scott K9MA

On 11/19/2019 06:55, Andy Durbin wrote:
> "Yes, ALC that really worked well with an amplifier would make the above
> unnecessary, but I don't think anyone has figured out how to do that.
> Until someone does, a slow feedback loop adjusting drive power would
> solve the problem above, not introduce any distortion, and save us
> operators the bother of riding the power control."
>
> The significant problem with implementing closed loop power control is that it would only work (if it could work at all) with an Elecraft transceiver connected by the AUX cable.  The KPA1500 is marketed as being compatible with non-Elecraft transceivers.
>
> Gain control contained within the KPA1500 would be an advantage to all KPA1500 owners, not just those with a fully integrated Elecraft transceiver.
>
> Andy, k3wyc
>
>
>
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From daveingeb at comcast.net  Tue Nov 19 10:28:30 2019
From: daveingeb at comcast.net (DAVID INGEBRIGHT)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 08:28:30 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Disparity between KPA500 remote utility downloads
Message-ID: <1184283849.160434.1574177310644@connect.xfinity.com>

Attaching a couple of screenshots of two different KPA500 remote operating screens, a plain one and a great one. I want to download the great one into my l#2 win7 PC and cannot seem to get the one I want. Are there two KPA500 remote utilities?
This is what I get upon downloading the KPA500 utility today..., a stripped down gray and white panel showing the essentials of the amplifier parameters:
http://www.valhallatreefarm.com/WB7ELY/kpa500/kpa500A.jpg
A month ago I downloaded  (what I thought was the same utility) and I got this nice color, animated, easy to use remote screen. 
http://www.valhallatreefarm.com/WB7ELY/kpa500/kpa500.htm
These were downloaded from the Electraft K line utility and firmware download page. Could someone shed some light on this? 
Thanks
//Dave WB7ELY

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Tue Nov 19 11:06:40 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 08:06:40 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 RX routing?
In-Reply-To: <833928CA187A4C349FCEB6A745FAFB71@DougTPC>
References: <CACYeN9wH1n=WLKx=X5ShM_heck6tCnb0n-wwTJLzLeF0cm9H=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABS7SRCYS0o9NJH2rsa1Cd=29hgQi-GFACr+8_F3sYo6dEgWpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<833928CA187A4C349FCEB6A745FAFB71@DougTPC>
Message-ID: <D28D86C9-49D2-4D16-94BE-1C95AAE1FED4@elecraft.com>

This topic, like others, will be covered more extensively than in past manuals. 

Wayne
N6KR


> On Nov 18, 2019, at 1:13 PM, Doug Turnbull <turnbull at net1.ie> wrote:
> 
> Dear OMs and YLs,
>     Carl is absolutely right.  The K4 and its different variations is a
> complex radio.   We need someone to write a "Lady Bird" users guide.    Fred
> Cady did a great job and is sorely missed.    Now Elecraft has a new
> challenge.   You produce good manuals but perhaps did not have the time to
> do what Fred did and after all Fred was a retired EE professor - a great
> teacher.   The manual is important!   You are writing in your native tongue
> and hopefully will do a great job as you do every where else.
> 
>                73 Doug EI2CN
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Carl Clawson
> Sent: 18 November 2019 17:21
> To: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 RX routing?
> 
> Further on this:
> 
> Please include a comprehensive description of RX antenna routing in the K4
> manual. I could never understand the K3 with much confidence until I read
> Fred Cady's KE7X (SK) book, and sadly Fred will not be writing a K4 book.
> Just try figuring out what "RX Ant Out" does by reading the K3 manual. You
> can GUESS what it does but a manual shouldn't leave you guessing.
> 
> 73 -- Carl WS7L
> 
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 8:54 AM Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:
> 
>> Like many I'd like to get the feed from my RX antenna to both the RX in
> and
>> Aux in. Some just do a parallel connection while others use a splitter.
>> 
>> Does the K4 have any tricks up its sleeve to do this without an external
>> splitter?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Jim ab3cv
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Tue Nov 19 11:18:43 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 08:18:43 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 RX routing?
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9wH1n=WLKx=X5ShM_heck6tCnb0n-wwTJLzLeF0cm9H=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACYeN9wH1n=WLKx=X5ShM_heck6tCnb0n-wwTJLzLeF0cm9H=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00DE4568-D971-45FE-83E8-5A12FE4351EC@elecraft.com>

Jim,

Here's a short answer for now. As I posted earlier, the manual will cover this in detail. Bottom line: you won't need any external splitters.

There are two RX antenna inputs (RX IN 1 and RX IN 2) on the K4. Either can be used with the main receiver, sub receiver, or both. Also, one of the three antenna jacks associated with the KAT4 ATU (ANT 1/2/3) can be selected as a receive-only antenna for use with either or both receivers.

This makes a total of 5 possible RX antenna sources. The user interface makes this very easy, with a switch for selecting the RX antenna for each receiver.

To your point: Whenever the two receivers are sharing an antenna (either RX IN 1/2, or the TX antenna, or the specified RX-only ATU antenna), a 3 dB splitter is engaged.

Note that the above applies to the K4D and K4HD. In a basic K4, you can still do dual receive (even on different bands), but since there's only one A-to-D converter in this case, one antenna input (of 5 possible) would be selected for the main RX, and the sub RX, when turned on, would share this antenna inherently (since both receivers would be derived from the same ADC).

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Nov 18, 2019, at 8:52 AM, Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:
> 
> Like many I'd like to get the feed from my RX antenna to both the RX in and
> Aux in. Some just do a parallel connection while others use a splitter.
> 
> Does the K4 have any tricks up its sleeve to do this without an external
> splitter?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jim ab3cv
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From w2kj at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov 19 11:31:55 2019
From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joseph Trombino, Jr)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 11:31:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] SPAM test
References: <24C25CA4-FC4A-4688-9E86-6F3558C22C1E.ref@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <24C25CA4-FC4A-4688-9E86-6F3558C22C1E@bellsouth.net>

TEST

			73, Joe W2KJ

From turnbull at net1.ie  Tue Nov 19 11:36:45 2019
From: turnbull at net1.ie (turnbull)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 16:36:45 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 RX routing?
In-Reply-To: <D28D86C9-49D2-4D16-94BE-1C95AAE1FED4@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <5dd41a1f.1c69fb81.5a23.054c@mx.google.com>

Elecraft is the home of champions.? ?73 Doug EI2CNSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> Date: 19/11/2019  16:06  (GMT+00:00) To: Doug Turnbull <turnbull at net1.ie> Cc: Carl Clawson <clawsoncw at gmail.com>, Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 RX routing? This topic, like others, will be covered more extensively than in past manuals. WayneN6KR> On Nov 18, 2019, at 1:13 PM, Doug Turnbull <turnbull at net1.ie> wrote:> > Dear OMs and YLs,>???? Carl is absolutely right.? The K4 and its different variations is a> complex radio.?? We need someone to write a "Lady Bird" users guide.??? Fred> Cady did a great job and is sorely missed.??? Now Elecraft has a new> challenge.?? You produce good manuals but perhaps did not have the time to> do what Fred did and after all Fred was a retired EE professor - a great> teacher.?? The manual is important!?? You are writing in your native tongue> and hopefully will do a great job as you do every where else.> >??????????????? 73 Doug EI2CN> > -----Original Message-----> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Carl Clawson> Sent: 18 November 2019 17:21> To: Elecraft Reflector> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 RX routing?> > Further on this:> > Please include a comprehensive description of RX antenna routing in the K4> manual. I could never understand the K3 with much confidence until I read> Fred Cady's KE7X (SK) book, and sadly Fred will not be writing a K4 book.> Just try figuring out what "RX Ant Out" does by reading the K3 manual. You> can GUESS what it does but a manual shouldn't leave you guessing.> > 73 -- Carl WS7L> > On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 8:54 AM Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:> >> Like many I'd like to get the feed from my RX antenna to both the RX in> and>> Aux in. Some just do a parallel connection while others use a splitter.>> >> Does the K4 have any tricks up its sleeve to do this without an external>> splitter?>> >> Thanks>> >> Jim ab3cv>> ______________________________________________________________>> Elecraft mailing list>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html>> Message delivered to clawsoncw at gmail.com>> > ______________________________________________________________> Elecraft mailing list> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> Message delivered to turnbull at net1.ie > > ______________________________________________________________> Elecraft mailing list> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com

From eric at elecraft.com  Tue Nov 19 11:46:22 2019
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 08:46:22 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Disparity between KPA500 remote utility downloads
In-Reply-To: <1184283849.160434.1574177310644@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <1184283849.160434.1574177310644@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <54c335cd-5638-5738-3491-cb0a6eab6e82@elecraft.com>

Hi Dave,

These are two different programs. The first one you show in the jpg, with less 
color, is the KPA500 utility, which is primarily designed for downloading code 
to the 1500 and reading back status etc in real time. It also has very basic 
remote control.

The KPA500 Utility is downloaded from
https://elecraft.com/pages/firmware-software
under the 'Amplifier Firmware and Software' tab.


The second 'more colorful' program you show on your webpage is the KPA500 Remote 
. It is the full featured remote control program for the KP500.

The KPA500 Remote Software is downloaded from the same
https://elecraft.com/pages/firmware-software
page under the? 'Logging and Control Software for the K-Line and KX-Line'? tab.

Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 11/19/2019 7:28 AM, DAVID INGEBRIGHT wrote:
> Attaching a couple of screenshots of two different KPA500 remote operating screens, a plain one and a great one. I want to download the great one into my l#2 win7 PC and cannot seem to get the one I want. Are there two KPA500 remote utilities?
> This is what I get upon downloading the KPA500 utility today..., a stripped down gray and white panel showing the essentials of the amplifier parameters:
> http://www.valhallatreefarm.com/WB7ELY/kpa500/kpa500A.jpg
> A month ago I downloaded  (what I thought was the same utility) and I got this nice color, animated, easy to use remote screen.
> http://www.valhallatreefarm.com/WB7ELY/kpa500/kpa500.htm
> These were downloaded from the Electraft K line utility and firmware download page. Could someone shed some light on this?
> Thanks
> //Dave WB7ELY
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From billamader at gmail.com  Tue Nov 19 14:02:11 2019
From: billamader at gmail.com (K8TE)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 12:02:11 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 wish list
In-Reply-To: <cdd6c007-8a4b-388f-8b2d-001739ac8f84@comcast.net>
References: <cdd6c007-8a4b-388f-8b2d-001739ac8f84@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1574190131896-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Another issue not explicitly mentioned is using an external antenna switch
with different conjugate matches already trained withing the KPA1500 ATU. 
Those different matches mean when one selects a "new" (different) antenna
than already selected on a particular frequency (same band or not), the
KPA1500 doesn't know this fact until power is applied.  Then, due to a high
VSWR, the amplifier faults.

With just two antenna ports on the KPA1500, there are only two quickly
accessible tuning solutions per frequency if using both ports.  If using
only one port and an external antenna switch, a common choice in many
stations, finding the correct tuning solutions can't be done fast enough to
prevent a fault.

As alluded to in previous messages on this topic, perhaps the solution,
unfortunately, is an external box that could contain the appropriate data so
that, when a new frequency/antenna combination, that has a previously tuning
solution, is selected, the external box will tell both the KPA1500 ATU to
select the appropriate solution and transceiver to make appropriate power
level adjustments, both PRIOR to actually transmitting.

This is done (approximately, but with no power level changes) by the KAT500
in selecting one of the three antenna ports and the appropriate tuning
solution.  This assumes no other antenna choices on each of the three ports
for the same frequency.  The KPA1500/K3S combination is (currently) not
sufficiently "smart" to accomplish this.

Of course, if we had "perfect" antennas that provided resonant matches on
all bands/frequencies, we wouldn't be discussing this.  If we had those, we
wouldn't need the KPA1500 ATU either.  73, Bill, K8TE



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From billamader at gmail.com  Tue Nov 19 15:45:34 2019
From: billamader at gmail.com (K8TE)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 13:45:34 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Monitor on Line Output
In-Reply-To: <a0c39ccc-7d15-2d77-6424-716aaee85962@sdellington.us>
References: <a0c39ccc-7d15-2d77-6424-716aaee85962@sdellington.us>
Message-ID: <1574196334370-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

We in the Elecraft world are very fortunate in that they allow us to update
our electronic (PDF) manuals, unlike the big three Japanese manufacturers. 
Open the manual in Adobe Acrobat Reader, select the text box icon (third
from the right), highlight a portion of the text you want to annotate, and
then you can paste (or type) in the firmware update text you want.  Then,
you'll see an icon by that text which, if you cursor over it, will display
the pasted text.

After you have pasted all the appropriate firmware update text into the
manual, save it with a different filename.  I simply add "Annotated" so I
know that copy is the annotated version.  I copy that file to all my
computers and to a thumb drive so I have the latest version available at all
times.  BTW, the new text will appear when you search (CNTRL+F) the
annotated file.  I find this simpler, cleaner, and more efficient than
updating the paper manuals.  I did the latter (a lot) during my 26-year USAF
career!

I'm stuck with using paper for the IC-7610 I won at the Dayton Contest
Dinner in May--thank-you Icom!

73, Bill, K8TE



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From Lyn at LNAINC.com  Tue Nov 19 15:53:10 2019
From: Lyn at LNAINC.com (Lyn Norstad)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 14:53:10 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 wish list
In-Reply-To: <af9e1a18-1eaf-6fef-847f-ab6409fa15a2@sdellington.us>
References: <cdd6c007-8a4b-388f-8b2d-001739ac8f84@comcast.net>	<5dd2f251.1c69fb81.3ee7a.6367@mx.google.com>	<8fb70f16-651f-437e-b2af-96e09dcf043b@audiosystemsgroup.com>	<cabc4f83-641a-399b-69a1-2109a52ddaa9@comcast.net>	<27716d47-f0dd-0edc-a812-906977600277@sdellington.us>	<5dd3670b.1c69fb81.fb48b.4a24@mx.google.com>
	<af9e1a18-1eaf-6fef-847f-ab6409fa15a2@sdellington.us>
Message-ID: <03cb01d59f1b$5abe4510$103acf30$@LNAINC.com>

Now you've done it ... created a whole new category of products to wish for
... at least for those of us in the frozen North:

 

THE ANTENNA DE-ICER!

 

Imagine, if you will, a device that would initiate a series of super slow CW
(?Testing + <your call sign> + + ?) transmissions at full legal power
combined with a short, quick back-and-forth rotator motion sequence designed
to loosen - and then shake - the ice off your beam as the long, gangly
elements wobble in a pre-determined fashion.

 

Imagine also all the problems and design challenges to be overcome with
respect to the involved components.

 

The possibilities are staggering!

 

73

Lyn, W?LEN

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of K9MA
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 10:00 PM
To: Paul Baldock; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 wish list

 

On 11/18/2019 21:52, Paul Baldock wrote:

> I also have WET and DRY settings for one of my antennas that are 

> selected by PF1 (^PB).

 

Ah, but there can be more than two setting. A little wet, or a lot wet. 

Or, in the case of one of my antennas, varying amounts of frost.

 

73,

 

Scott K9MA

 

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From k9ma at sdellington.us  Tue Nov 19 15:56:50 2019
From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 14:56:50 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 wish list
In-Reply-To: <1574190131896-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <cdd6c007-8a4b-388f-8b2d-001739ac8f84@comcast.net>
	<1574190131896-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <92dfe3f0-8502-b0f1-7a08-34858cc7ddbe@sdellington.us>

Bill is touching on an issue I've raised before: A way to select 
multiple ATU settings for the same frequency and antenna output. I had 
to build a tri-band tuner to switch between my two tribanders so they 
would both present the amplifier with the same impedance. The internal 
ATU would have been able to do that, if only there were a way to store 
and recall two different sets of settings. In the case of automated 
antenna switching systems like mine, there also has to be a way to 
electronically tell the amplifier which settings to use: Having to press 
a front panel switch is not acceptable, as that would require two 
operations to switch antennas, which is way too slow. (I sometimes have 
to flip the antenna switch several times during a call to determine 
which antenna to use.)

73,
Scott K9MA



On 11/19/2019 13:02, K8TE wrote:
> Another issue not explicitly mentioned is using an external antenna switch
> with different conjugate matches already trained withing the KPA1500 ATU.
> Those different matches mean when one selects a "new" (different) antenna
> than already selected on a particular frequency (same band or not), the
> KPA1500 doesn't know this fact until power is applied.  Then, due to a high
> VSWR, the amplifier faults.
>
> With just two antenna ports on the KPA1500, there are only two quickly
> accessible tuning solutions per frequency if using both ports.  If using
> only one port and an external antenna switch, a common choice in many
> stations, finding the correct tuning solutions can't be done fast enough to
> prevent a fault.
>
> As alluded to in previous messages on this topic, perhaps the solution,
> unfortunately, is an external box that could contain the appropriate data so
> that, when a new frequency/antenna combination, that has a previously tuning
> solution, is selected, the external box will tell both the KPA1500 ATU to
> select the appropriate solution and transceiver to make appropriate power
> level adjustments, both PRIOR to actually transmitting.
>
> This is done (approximately, but with no power level changes) by the KAT500
> in selecting one of the three antenna ports and the appropriate tuning
> solution.  This assumes no other antenna choices on each of the three ports
> for the same frequency.  The KPA1500/K3S combination is (currently) not
> sufficiently "smart" to accomplish this.
>
> Of course, if we had "perfect" antennas that provided resonant matches on
> all bands/frequencies, we wouldn't be discussing this.  If we had those, we
> wouldn't need the KPA1500 ATU either.  73, Bill, K8TE
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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-- 
Scott  K9MA

k9ma at sdellington.us


From ed at kuebert.net  Tue Nov 19 18:21:01 2019
From: ed at kuebert.net (Edward Kuebert)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 18:21:01 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] N4GM 444.6 MHz Repeater on Oak Island
Message-ID: <7D61F516-33FA-4BF6-AAB7-C27E3750A499@kuebert.net>

This afternoon K4JCS, Curt, and I replaced the aging Kenwood repeater with a System Fusion Repeater that will be run in the Automatic mode - digital in digital out, analog FM in Analog FM out. Analog users may hear the dreaded digital noise, but this can be avoided. The repeater will output an 88.5 Hz tone with all analog FM signals. So if you set your radio to tone squelch, 88.5 HZ, the digital noise will not be heard as it does not contain the 88,5 HZ sub audible tone. Note that while it may be undesirable, digital conversations will override analog signals. I apologize in advance to analog users that may be overridden by digital users, but that is the way Yaesu designed System Fusion. 

I should note that now the repeater does not require an access tone, but an 88,5 Hz access tone requirement will be added prior to year end. So, set your rigs to tone squelch and you will be ready for the access tone requirement and you will not hear the digital noise if you are an analog FM user. We do hope to add WIRES-X capability in the future.

Thanks to Dave, KM4EMR, for trimming all the weeds and other growth around the water tower base and our shack. Access is now much easier than it used to be. Repeater operation is really a ?family? affair, not the the efforts of a limited number of people.

Please use and enjoy the repeater.

73 & Happy Thanksgiving,

Ed, K5EK

From n4zr at comcast.net  Wed Nov 20 09:40:59 2019
From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 09:40:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 wish list
In-Reply-To: <92dfe3f0-8502-b0f1-7a08-34858cc7ddbe@sdellington.us>
References: <cdd6c007-8a4b-388f-8b2d-001739ac8f84@comcast.net>
	<1574190131896-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<92dfe3f0-8502-b0f1-7a08-34858cc7ddbe@sdellington.us>
Message-ID: <37fa85a2-d997-7cb8-9818-c61cf92fc9e0@comcast.net>

I hope that the amp guys at Elecraft will reply to this thread.? I've 
been working with them for several weeks trying to address just this 
problem.? The latest beta firmware seems to handle it pretty well, so 
long as I make sure I've trained the ATU on every band segment.

I'd love to have 50-ohm resonant antennas on every band.? Short of that, 
there does not appear to be any way around the ATU's need? to identify 
which antenna is selected by the external switch, before it can decide 
which stored setting to apply.? This takes a measurable amount of time, 
as much as one character of 30 WPM CW, and I'm told that until this 
process is completed, the amplifier is bypassed.? I've observed, for 
example, that when I pounce on a CQer significantly far away from the 
frequency of my last QSO, the "N" in my call becomes "E", or goes away 
entirely, as heard by the other station.

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

On 11/19/2019 3:56 PM, K9MA wrote:
> Bill is touching on an issue I've raised before: A way to select 
> multiple ATU settings for the same frequency and antenna output. I had 
> to build a tri-band tuner to switch between my two tribanders so they 
> would both present the amplifier with the same impedance. The internal 
> ATU would have been able to do that, if only there were a way to store 
> and recall two different sets of settings. In the case of automated 
> antenna switching systems like mine, there also has to be a way to 
> electronically tell the amplifier which settings to use: Having to 
> press a front panel switch is not acceptable, as that would require 
> two operations to switch antennas, which is way too slow. (I sometimes 
> have to flip the antenna switch several times during a call to 
> determine which antenna to use.)
>
> 73,
> Scott K9MA
>
>
>
> On 11/19/2019 13:02, K8TE wrote:
>> Another issue not explicitly mentioned is using an external antenna 
>> switch
>> with different conjugate matches already trained withing the KPA1500 
>> ATU.
>> Those different matches mean when one selects a "new" (different) 
>> antenna
>> than already selected on a particular frequency (same band or not), the
>> KPA1500 doesn't know this fact until power is applied.? Then, due to 
>> a high
>> VSWR, the amplifier faults.
>>
>> With just two antenna ports on the KPA1500, there are only two quickly
>> accessible tuning solutions per frequency if using both ports. If using
>> only one port and an external antenna switch, a common choice in many
>> stations, finding the correct tuning solutions can't be done fast 
>> enough to
>> prevent a fault.
>>
>> As alluded to in previous messages on this topic, perhaps the solution,
>> unfortunately, is an external box that could contain the appropriate 
>> data so
>> that, when a new frequency/antenna combination, that has a previously 
>> tuning
>> solution, is selected, the external box will tell both the KPA1500 
>> ATU to
>> select the appropriate solution and transceiver to make appropriate 
>> power
>> level adjustments, both PRIOR to actually transmitting.
>>
>> This is done (approximately, but with no power level changes) by the 
>> KAT500
>> in selecting one of the three antenna ports and the appropriate tuning
>> solution.? This assumes no other antenna choices on each of the three 
>> ports
>> for the same frequency.? The KPA1500/K3S combination is (currently) not
>> sufficiently "smart" to accomplish this.
>>
>> Of course, if we had "perfect" antennas that provided resonant 
>> matches on
>> all bands/frequencies, we wouldn't be discussing this.? If we had 
>> those, we
>> wouldn't need the KPA1500 ATU either.? 73, Bill, K8TE
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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>>
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>
>

From lee.buller at gmail.com  Wed Nov 20 10:42:30 2019
From: lee.buller at gmail.com (Leroy Buller)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 09:42:30 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Beta Testers
Message-ID: <CANys+BXtyA0yrO+n8cfKGyjOVXkxhewy_AOvuadz1VkB-mF5Cg@mail.gmail.com>

I assume the K4 is being beta tested by a group of  hand picked ops.  Is
that tfue?  I know they are sworn to secrecy but will there be any
discussion later on as to their observations of the various configurations
of the K4?

Reading the material is fine, but there is nothing better than direct
testimony from a user.  This is NOT a political statement.?

Lee K0WA

From k5apl41 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 20 11:28:57 2019
From: k5apl41 at gmail.com (wes Bolin)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 10:28:57 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 For Sale
Message-ID: <CALM7jM7hOLfG6MFMeZjJbXwiLVRiZ3F-cvi5Jes29pN-X9RzPw@mail.gmail.com>

I have my K2 for sale. It is s/n# 509 but has been updated to latest from
the factory by Elecraft Tech Service (W8GFU).  I bought accessories but
have never gotten around to build and/or install them:  KSB2,KDSP2 (built),
KIO2,
K160RX,K2VCOSHLDKT,KAT2,KNB2,XFILMOD,K2KSB2,E850093,K2ATOBKT,E850006,BFOMODKT,E850138,HEIL
MH2 MIC,12V/2.9AH NEW BATTERY.
Also original manual, instructions and test results.  It looks good
cosmetically and I am asking  the Elecraft group $600 and I will ship it.
The DSP2 price is $225 shipped if someone wants the radio without it for
$450. I need to sell both pieces.   I am keeping my K2/100 with a
Loudenboomer Amplifier.  Thanks for looking, Wes

From k9ma at sdellington.us  Wed Nov 20 12:05:06 2019
From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 11:05:06 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 wish list
In-Reply-To: <37fa85a2-d997-7cb8-9818-c61cf92fc9e0@comcast.net>
References: <cdd6c007-8a4b-388f-8b2d-001739ac8f84@comcast.net>
	<1574190131896-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<92dfe3f0-8502-b0f1-7a08-34858cc7ddbe@sdellington.us>
	<37fa85a2-d997-7cb8-9818-c61cf92fc9e0@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <17300c99-f0be-4aaf-156a-dc78ace2c8b6@sdellington.us>

When you QSY, without switching antennas, it seems to take half a second 
or so after you stop tuning for the ATU to switch. (Assuming it's been 
"trained".) As far as I can tell, after that delay the ATU is stable, so 
it shouldn't affect outgoing CW. However, as Pete says, when you switch 
antennas there can be a delay, since the only way the ATU knows you have 
switched antennas is the high SWR when you start transmitting. The 
solution is a way to tell the ATU that you have switched antennas BEFORE 
transmitting, for example, by tying it into the switch(es) which 
controls the external antenna relays.

Imagine this scenario: You hear a weak signal calling CQ, flip your 
antennas switch a couple time to figure out where it is coming from, and 
then you have about 100 ms to start calling. Otherwise it's too late. 
With two tribanders, this happens to me all the time. How can the 
KPA1500 ATU be made to switch that fast? It's relays certainly can; it's 
just a matter of getting that control signal to them.

I doubt there is any way to modify the KPA1500 to make this happen 
without changes to firmware.

73,
Scott K9MA

On 11/20/2019 08:40, N4ZR wrote:
> I hope that the amp guys at Elecraft will reply to this thread.? I've 
> been working with them for several weeks trying to address just this 
> problem.? The latest beta firmware seems to handle it pretty well, so 
> long as I make sure I've trained the ATU on every band segment.
>
> I'd love to have 50-ohm resonant antennas on every band.? Short of 
> that, there does not appear to be any way around the ATU's need to 
> identify which antenna is selected by the external switch, before it 
> can decide which stored setting to apply.? This takes a measurable 
> amount of time, as much as one character of 30 WPM CW, and I'm told 
> that until this process is completed, the amplifier is bypassed.? I've 
> observed, for example, that when I pounce on a CQer significantly far 
> away from the frequency of my last QSO, the "N" in my call becomes 
> "E", or goes away entirely, as heard by the other station.
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
> at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
> spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
> For spots, please use your favorite
> "retail" DX cluster.
>
> On 11/19/2019 3:56 PM, K9MA wrote:
>> Bill is touching on an issue I've raised before: A way to select 
>> multiple ATU settings for the same frequency and antenna output. I 
>> had to build a tri-band tuner to switch between my two tribanders so 
>> they would both present the amplifier with the same impedance. The 
>> internal ATU would have been able to do that, if only there were a 
>> way to store and recall two different sets of settings. In the case 
>> of automated antenna switching systems like mine, there also has to 
>> be a way to electronically tell the amplifier which settings to use: 
>> Having to press a front panel switch is not acceptable, as that would 
>> require two operations to switch antennas, which is way too slow. (I 
>> sometimes have to flip the antenna switch several times during a call 
>> to determine which antenna to use.)
>>
>> 73,
>> Scott K9MA
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/19/2019 13:02, K8TE wrote:
>>> Another issue not explicitly mentioned is using an external antenna 
>>> switch
>>> with different conjugate matches already trained withing the KPA1500 
>>> ATU.
>>> Those different matches mean when one selects a "new" (different) 
>>> antenna
>>> than already selected on a particular frequency (same band or not), the
>>> KPA1500 doesn't know this fact until power is applied.? Then, due to 
>>> a high
>>> VSWR, the amplifier faults.
>>>
>>> With just two antenna ports on the KPA1500, there are only two quickly
>>> accessible tuning solutions per frequency if using both ports. If using
>>> only one port and an external antenna switch, a common choice in many
>>> stations, finding the correct tuning solutions can't be done fast 
>>> enough to
>>> prevent a fault.
>>>
>>> As alluded to in previous messages on this topic, perhaps the solution,
>>> unfortunately, is an external box that could contain the appropriate 
>>> data so
>>> that, when a new frequency/antenna combination, that has a 
>>> previously tuning
>>> solution, is selected, the external box will tell both the KPA1500 
>>> ATU to
>>> select the appropriate solution and transceiver to make appropriate 
>>> power
>>> level adjustments, both PRIOR to actually transmitting.
>>>
>>> This is done (approximately, but with no power level changes) by the 
>>> KAT500
>>> in selecting one of the three antenna ports and the appropriate tuning
>>> solution.? This assumes no other antenna choices on each of the 
>>> three ports
>>> for the same frequency.? The KPA1500/K3S combination is (currently) not
>>> sufficiently "smart" to accomplish this.
>>>
>>> Of course, if we had "perfect" antennas that provided resonant 
>>> matches on
>>> all bands/frequencies, we wouldn't be discussing this.? If we had 
>>> those, we
>>> wouldn't need the KPA1500 ATU either.? 73, Bill, K8TE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 

-- 
Scott  K9MA

k9ma at sdellington.us


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Nov 20 14:09:44 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 11:09:44 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 wish list
In-Reply-To: <37fa85a2-d997-7cb8-9818-c61cf92fc9e0@comcast.net>
References: <cdd6c007-8a4b-388f-8b2d-001739ac8f84@comcast.net>
	<1574190131896-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<92dfe3f0-8502-b0f1-7a08-34858cc7ddbe@sdellington.us>
	<37fa85a2-d997-7cb8-9818-c61cf92fc9e0@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <c1c1bbc5-87ac-64e6-9bb8-e3a2ee0e2b5c@audiosystemsgroup.com>

The simple solution to this is to TX a dit before making the call. I've 
done this for years when working with auto-detect equipment like the 
KAT500, KPA500, and 87A. On SSB, the equivalent is to tap the mic.

73, Jim K9YC

On 11/20/2019 6:40 AM, N4ZR wrote:

> 
> I'd love to have 50-ohm resonant antennas on every band.? Short of that, 
> there does not appear to be any way around the ATU's need? to identify 
> which antenna is selected by the external switch, before it can decide 
> which stored setting to apply.? This takes a measurable amount of time, 
> as much as one character of 30 WPM CW, and I'm told that until this 
> process is completed, the amplifier is bypassed.? I've observed, for 
> example, that when I pounce on a CQer significantly far away from the 
> frequency of my last QSO, the "N" in my call becomes "E", or goes away 
> entirely, as heard by the other station.

From n4zr at comcast.net  Wed Nov 20 23:06:33 2019
From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 23:06:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 wish list
In-Reply-To: <c1c1bbc5-87ac-64e6-9bb8-e3a2ee0e2b5c@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <cdd6c007-8a4b-388f-8b2d-001739ac8f84@comcast.net>
	<1574190131896-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<92dfe3f0-8502-b0f1-7a08-34858cc7ddbe@sdellington.us>
	<37fa85a2-d997-7cb8-9818-c61cf92fc9e0@comcast.net>
	<c1c1bbc5-87ac-64e6-9bb8-e3a2ee0e2b5c@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <4158d0d9-9fa7-80db-b0d9-f5c099fd01da@comcast.net>

Yup, but old habits die hard!

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

On 11/20/2019 2:09 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> The simple solution to this is to TX a dit before making the call. 
> I've done this for years when working with auto-detect equipment like 
> the KAT500, KPA500, and 87A. On SSB, the equivalent is to tap the mic.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
> On 11/20/2019 6:40 AM, N4ZR wrote:
>
>>
>> I'd love to have 50-ohm resonant antennas on every band.? Short of 
>> that, there does not appear to be any way around the ATU's need? to 
>> identify which antenna is selected by the external switch, before it 
>> can decide which stored setting to apply. This takes a measurable 
>> amount of time, as much as one character of 30 WPM CW, and I'm told 
>> that until this process is completed, the amplifier is bypassed.? 
>> I've observed, for example, that when I pounce on a CQer 
>> significantly far away from the frequency of my last QSO, the "N" in 
>> my call becomes "E", or goes away entirely, as heard by the other 
>> station.
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> Message delivered to n4zr at comcast.net 

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Nov 20 23:55:29 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 20:55:29 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 wish list
In-Reply-To: <4158d0d9-9fa7-80db-b0d9-f5c099fd01da@comcast.net>
References: <cdd6c007-8a4b-388f-8b2d-001739ac8f84@comcast.net>
	<1574190131896-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<92dfe3f0-8502-b0f1-7a08-34858cc7ddbe@sdellington.us>
	<37fa85a2-d997-7cb8-9818-c61cf92fc9e0@comcast.net>
	<c1c1bbc5-87ac-64e6-9bb8-e3a2ee0e2b5c@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<4158d0d9-9fa7-80db-b0d9-f5c099fd01da@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <c9cee94b-76e6-fd39-3935-de24ad72fa55@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 11/20/2019 8:06 PM, N4ZR wrote:
> Yup, but old habits die hard!

Old dogs like us have to continue learning new tricks. :)  You've done a 
LOT of that helping to build and teach us all about RBN.

73, Jim K9YC


From pkiciak at gmail.com  Thu Nov 21 06:17:59 2019
From: pkiciak at gmail.com (Paul Kiciak)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 11:17:59 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] SO2R and the K4D
Message-ID: <c3cf0bf3-3eac-f43b-e063-3de6a8a6a8ff@gmail.com>

Hi All,

I'm not particularly interested in SO2R but a friend is.

Please comment on whether and how the K4D might be made SO2R capable.

Tnx and 73,
Paul N2PK


From glcazzola at alice.it  Thu Nov 21 07:50:08 2019
From: glcazzola at alice.it (glcazzola at alice.it)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:50:08 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Ris:  Elecraft web site off?
Message-ID: <5DD63D02002B1E57@smtp201.alice.it> (added by postmaster@alice.it)


From rthorne at rthorne.net  Thu Nov 21 08:00:16 2019
From: rthorne at rthorne.net (Richard Thorne)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 07:00:16 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Vs Flex
Message-ID: <763d24be-2c8b-b40d-eebe-b63ba4438c99@rthorne.net>

I've had a couple K3's then a Flex 6600, now I'm back to a K3S.

I like both radio's but there's a few features I like better on the K3S.

	- The noise blanker works
	- The QSK is fantastic. I really like QSK while chasing DX.
	- There's others but the above, especially QSK, pushes the K3S    over 
the top.

The K3S and KPA1500 or KPA500 is an excellent combo.  Dead quite on CW, 
IE, no relay noise.

I've started to save my pennies for K4.

Rich - N5ZC


From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Nov 21 09:32:46 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 09:32:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 remote software?
Message-ID: <A69F9F22-3FF2-4237-AF4F-0D3C3DAE140E@widomaker.com>

Any ideas on software to use for remote operations with the K4D?  And platforms?

I am thinking about getting a new computer or tablet (lPad). 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill



From k5zeglenn at gmail.com  Thu Nov 21 09:51:13 2019
From: k5zeglenn at gmail.com (Glenn Haffly)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 07:51:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Carrier
Message-ID: <CAPf3Gb42V3Swu+kWjAA+0ONNin54GdckphXh-=k49kztp3F9Og@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone else hearing a carrier on 7.025 Mc?
>From this Colorado QTH it has been a steady key down carrier going
on 4 straight hours. I hope someone did not collapse on their key.

Glenn K5ZE

From dick.w7zr at gmail.com  Thu Nov 21 10:01:34 2019
From: dick.w7zr at gmail.com (Richard Zalewski)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 08:01:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Carrier
In-Reply-To: <CAPf3Gb42V3Swu+kWjAA+0ONNin54GdckphXh-=k49kztp3F9Og@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPf3Gb42V3Swu+kWjAA+0ONNin54GdckphXh-=k49kztp3F9Og@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACVQm3n=R3VPes_8upDkBZuHTUhE_KEV_75+k8KXN6gUtGnsYA@mail.gmail.com>

Here it in AZ....

Richard
*W7ZR* ex:5C5Z, CN2ZR, K2JSP, W6SBZ, W7KXR, K9ZIJ, W9KNF, W0KDF, W0MQU,
J68ZR, KC6ZR, PJ4/W7ZR, KH2,W7ZR, KH6/W7ZR, V31ZR, VK4AAZ, XE2DV


*Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer*


On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 7:52 AM Glenn Haffly <k5zeglenn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Anyone else hearing a carrier on 7.025 Mc?
> From this Colorado QTH it has been a steady key down carrier going
> on 4 straight hours. I hope someone did not collapse on their key.
>
> Glenn K5ZE
> ______________________________________________________________
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From k4to.dave at gmail.com  Thu Nov 21 10:24:15 2019
From: k4to.dave at gmail.com (Dave Sublette)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 10:24:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Carrier
In-Reply-To: <CACVQm3n=R3VPes_8upDkBZuHTUhE_KEV_75+k8KXN6gUtGnsYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPf3Gb42V3Swu+kWjAA+0ONNin54GdckphXh-=k49kztp3F9Og@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACVQm3n=R3VPes_8upDkBZuHTUhE_KEV_75+k8KXN6gUtGnsYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKynJK=f-3v99D9BwvGC3YS466kXpi0n1dao7SanAOUBEEBZBw@mail.gmail.com>

S9 here in KY

K4TO

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:21 AM Richard Zalewski <dick.w7zr at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Here it in AZ....
>
> Richard
> *W7ZR* ex:5C5Z, CN2ZR, K2JSP, W6SBZ, W7KXR, K9ZIJ, W9KNF, W0KDF, W0MQU,
> J68ZR, KC6ZR, PJ4/W7ZR, KH2,W7ZR, KH6/W7ZR, V31ZR, VK4AAZ, XE2DV
>
>
> *Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer*
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 7:52 AM Glenn Haffly <k5zeglenn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Anyone else hearing a carrier on 7.025 Mc?
> > From this Colorado QTH it has been a steady key down carrier going
> > on 4 straight hours. I hope someone did not collapse on their key.
> >
> > Glenn K5ZE
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
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From dave at nk7z.net  Thu Nov 21 10:26:29 2019
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 07:26:29 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Carrier
In-Reply-To: <CAKynJK=f-3v99D9BwvGC3YS466kXpi0n1dao7SanAOUBEEBZBw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPf3Gb42V3Swu+kWjAA+0ONNin54GdckphXh-=k49kztp3F9Og@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACVQm3n=R3VPes_8upDkBZuHTUhE_KEV_75+k8KXN6gUtGnsYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKynJK=f-3v99D9BwvGC3YS466kXpi0n1dao7SanAOUBEEBZBw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55e844f6-e342-11d5-8b4c-78ea14057743@nk7z.net>

Nothing in Eugene, OR, and I have had a SDR recording for the past 15 
hours...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 11/21/19 7:24 AM, Dave Sublette wrote:
> S9 here in KY
> 
> K4TO
> 
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:21 AM Richard Zalewski <dick.w7zr at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Here it in AZ....
>>
>> Richard
>> *W7ZR* ex:5C5Z, CN2ZR, K2JSP, W6SBZ, W7KXR, K9ZIJ, W9KNF, W0KDF, W0MQU,
>> J68ZR, KC6ZR, PJ4/W7ZR, KH2,W7ZR, KH6/W7ZR, V31ZR, VK4AAZ, XE2DV
>>
>>
>> *Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer*
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 7:52 AM Glenn Haffly <k5zeglenn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone else hearing a carrier on 7.025 Mc?
>>>  From this Colorado QTH it has been a steady key down carrier going
>>> on 4 straight hours. I hope someone did not collapse on their key.
>>>
>>> Glenn K5ZE
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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>>> Message delivered to dick.w7zr at gmail.com
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From k4to.dave at gmail.com  Thu Nov 21 10:34:06 2019
From: k4to.dave at gmail.com (Dave Sublette)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 10:34:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Carrier
In-Reply-To: <CAKynJK=f-3v99D9BwvGC3YS466kXpi0n1dao7SanAOUBEEBZBw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPf3Gb42V3Swu+kWjAA+0ONNin54GdckphXh-=k49kztp3F9Og@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACVQm3n=R3VPes_8upDkBZuHTUhE_KEV_75+k8KXN6gUtGnsYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKynJK=f-3v99D9BwvGC3YS466kXpi0n1dao7SanAOUBEEBZBw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKynJK=e9Y4X-CKfJoVEiLBUwZN7UKNJB=8zt=x6HxCfErKy6A@mail.gmail.com>

Appears to Peak at 335 degrees and 155 degrees.  335 slightly stronger on
my 2 element yagis.  Nulls at 65 and 245.

I am 25 miles East of Lexington , KY

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:24 AM Dave Sublette <k4to.dave at gmail.com> wrote:

> S9 here in KY
>
> K4TO
>
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:21 AM Richard Zalewski <dick.w7zr at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Here it in AZ....
>>
>> Richard
>> *W7ZR* ex:5C5Z, CN2ZR, K2JSP, W6SBZ, W7KXR, K9ZIJ, W9KNF, W0KDF, W0MQU,
>> J68ZR, KC6ZR, PJ4/W7ZR, KH2,W7ZR, KH6/W7ZR, V31ZR, VK4AAZ, XE2DV
>>
>>
>> *Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer*
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 7:52 AM Glenn Haffly <k5zeglenn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Anyone else hearing a carrier on 7.025 Mc?
>> > From this Colorado QTH it has been a steady key down carrier going
>> > on 4 straight hours. I hope someone did not collapse on their key.
>> >
>> > Glenn K5ZE
>> > ______________________________________________________________
>> > Elecraft mailing list
>> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> >
>> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>> > Message delivered to dick.w7zr at gmail.com
>> >
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>>
>

From john at kk9a.com  Thu Nov 21 10:42:07 2019
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 09:42:07 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Drive Levels and the SPE 1.3K-FA
Message-ID: <20191121094207.Horde.Byaye1AqWqFXtpjU2p3BpgS@www11.qth.com>

I have operated RTTY with my K3S in the 11 watt range not knowing that  
this was bad for the LPAs. It would be nice if the Elecraft K3/K3S  
would allow the option to turn on the 100 watt power amp and a lower  
power setting.

John KK9A

dgb ns9i wrote:

I run a lot of rtty and digital with my K3. I always set the amp to the
mid range getting 8-900w out. It takes only 8-11 w drive from the K3 to
accomplish that.

Note: SPE recommends to run the amp in Mid Range for digital operation.
When I first got the amp I made the mistake of running it in the high
range and melted the copper heat sink, which was not considered a
warranty repair, and was an expensive lesson learned.

Over the  course of the 3 yrs. that I've owned the amp,  I have blown 4
LPA's in the K3 running it at 8-11w. With latest repair the tech
informed me that the "LPA is not rated for continuous duty at upper
power levels (like the digital Modes)" They suggested running 13w vs 11w
so the LPA wouldn't be used. If I do that it over-drives the SPE in the
mid-range.

What is my suggested recourse?

thanks 73 Dwight NS9I


From w3tb.ted at gmail.com  Thu Nov 21 10:42:58 2019
From: w3tb.ted at gmail.com (Ted Edwards W3TB)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 09:42:58 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Carrier
In-Reply-To: <CAKynJK=e9Y4X-CKfJoVEiLBUwZN7UKNJB=8zt=x6HxCfErKy6A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPf3Gb42V3Swu+kWjAA+0ONNin54GdckphXh-=k49kztp3F9Og@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACVQm3n=R3VPes_8upDkBZuHTUhE_KEV_75+k8KXN6gUtGnsYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKynJK=f-3v99D9BwvGC3YS466kXpi0n1dao7SanAOUBEEBZBw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKynJK=e9Y4X-CKfJoVEiLBUwZN7UKNJB=8zt=x6HxCfErKy6A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGhFmTiOcgCx+403KyzwjgDSZqPNudbNNe4n6jn7aNSGyKJF-Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hearing it in Franklin, Tennessee -- 20 miles south of Nashville.
I can't say anything about it directionally.
How long has it been there?  Was not there last night during CW Ops 0300.

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 9:35 AM Dave Sublette <k4to.dave at gmail.com> wrote:

> Appears to Peak at 335 degrees and 155 degrees.  335 slightly stronger on
> my 2 element yagis.  Nulls at 65 and 245.
>
> I am 25 miles East of Lexington , KY
>
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:24 AM Dave Sublette <k4to.dave at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > S9 here in KY
> >
> > K4TO
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:21 AM Richard Zalewski <dick.w7zr at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Here it in AZ....
> >>
> >> Richard
> >> *W7ZR* ex:5C5Z, CN2ZR, K2JSP, W6SBZ, W7KXR, K9ZIJ, W9KNF, W0KDF, W0MQU,
> >> J68ZR, KC6ZR, PJ4/W7ZR, KH2,W7ZR, KH6/W7ZR, V31ZR, VK4AAZ, XE2DV
> >>
> >>
> >> *Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer*
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 7:52 AM Glenn Haffly <k5zeglenn at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Anyone else hearing a carrier on 7.025 Mc?
> >> > From this Colorado QTH it has been a steady key down carrier going
> >> > on 4 straight hours. I hope someone did not collapse on their key.
> >> >
> >> > Glenn K5ZE
> >> > ______________________________________________________________
> >> > Elecraft mailing list
> >> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> >> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> >> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> >> >
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> >> > Message delivered to dick.w7zr at gmail.com
> >> >
> >> ______________________________________________________________
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> >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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> >>
> >
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-- 
73 de Ted Edwards, W3TB and G?PWW

and thinking about operating CW:
"Do today what others won't,
so you can do tomorrow what others can't."

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Thu Nov 21 10:47:14 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 09:47:14 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Drive Levels and the SPE 1.3K-FA
In-Reply-To: <20191121094207.Horde.Byaye1AqWqFXtpjU2p3BpgS@www11.qth.com>
References: <20191121094207.Horde.Byaye1AqWqFXtpjU2p3BpgS@www11.qth.com>
Message-ID: <fb2f8d83-eb6f-99e2-5e15-762f84ca2edb@blomand.net>

Why not add a 1 dB or 2 dB attenuator in line at the input of the amp??? 
That would allow for a bit higher drive power from the K3S.?? Three 
carbon resistors will make a nice Pi attenuator.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 11/21/2019 9:42 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
> I have operated RTTY with my K3S in the 11 watt range not knowing that 
> this was bad for the LPAs. It would be nice if the Elecraft K3/K3S 
> would allow the option to turn on the 100 watt power amp and a lower 
> power setting.
>
> John KK9A
>
> dgb ns9i wrote:
>
> I run a lot of rtty and digital with my K3. I always set the amp to the
> mid range getting 8-900w out. It takes only 8-11 w drive from the K3 to
> accomplish that.
>
> Note: SPE recommends to run the amp in Mid Range for digital operation.
> When I first got the amp I made the mistake of running it in the high
> range and melted the copper heat sink, which was not considered a
> warranty repair, and was an expensive lesson learned.
>
> Over the? course of the 3 yrs. that I've owned the amp,? I have blown 4
> LPA's in the K3 running it at 8-11w. With latest repair the tech
> informed me that the "LPA is not rated for continuous duty at upper
> power levels (like the digital Modes)" They suggested running 13w vs 11w
> so the LPA wouldn't be used. If I do that it over-drives the SPE in the
> mid-range.
>
> What is my suggested recourse?
>
> thanks 73 Dwight NS9I
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>
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From ab2tc at arrl.net  Thu Nov 21 10:47:30 2019
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 08:47:30 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Ris:  Elecraft web site off?
In-Reply-To: <5DD63D02002B1E57@smtp201.alice.it>
References: <5DD63D02002B1E57@smtp201.alice.it>
Message-ID: <1574351250510-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi,

It works fine here in upstate NY.

AB2TC - Knut



--
Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/

From gkidder at ilstu.edu  Thu Nov 21 10:50:56 2019
From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (Kidder, George)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 15:50:56 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Carrier
In-Reply-To: <CAGhFmTiOcgCx+403KyzwjgDSZqPNudbNNe4n6jn7aNSGyKJF-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPf3Gb42V3Swu+kWjAA+0ONNin54GdckphXh-=k49kztp3F9Og@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACVQm3n=R3VPes_8upDkBZuHTUhE_KEV_75+k8KXN6gUtGnsYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKynJK=f-3v99D9BwvGC3YS466kXpi0n1dao7SanAOUBEEBZBw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKynJK=e9Y4X-CKfJoVEiLBUwZN7UKNJB=8zt=x6HxCfErKy6A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGhFmTiOcgCx+403KyzwjgDSZqPNudbNNe4n6jn7aNSGyKJF-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <88a3a091-9574-2f90-7222-db29a9ad9405@ilstu.edu>

Nothing in coastal Maine on wire dipole.
73 - George

On 11/21/2019 10:42 AM, Ted Edwards W3TB wrote:
> [This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to abuse at ilstu.edu<mailto:abuse at ilstu.edu>]
> 
> Hearing it in Franklin, Tennessee -- 20 miles south of Nashville.
> I can't say anything about it directionally.
> How long has it been there?  Was not there last night during CW Ops 0300.
> 
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 9:35 AM Dave Sublette <k4to.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Appears to Peak at 335 degrees and 155 degrees.  335 slightly stronger on
>> my 2 element yagis.  Nulls at 65 and 245.
>>
>> I am 25 miles East of Lexington , KY
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:24 AM Dave Sublette <k4to.dave at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> S9 here in KY
>>>
>>> K4TO
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:21 AM Richard Zalewski <dick.w7zr at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here it in AZ....
>>>>
>>>> Richard
>>>> *W7ZR* ex:5C5Z, CN2ZR, K2JSP, W6SBZ, W7KXR, K9ZIJ, W9KNF, W0KDF, W0MQU,
>>>> J68ZR, KC6ZR, PJ4/W7ZR, KH2,W7ZR, KH6/W7ZR, V31ZR, VK4AAZ, XE2DV
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 7:52 AM Glenn Haffly <k5zeglenn at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone else hearing a carrier on 7.025 Mc?
>>>>>  From this Colorado QTH it has been a steady key down carrier going
>>>>> on 4 straight hours. I hope someone did not collapse on their key.
>>>>>
>>>>> Glenn K5ZE
>>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>>>>
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>>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>>>> Message delivered to dick.w7zr at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>>
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> 
> 
> --
> 73 de Ted Edwards, W3TB and G?PWW
> 
> and thinking about operating CW:
> "Do today what others won't,
> so you can do tomorrow what others can't."
> ______________________________________________________________
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From w0eb at cox.net  Thu Nov 21 10:51:54 2019
From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 15:51:54 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Carrier
In-Reply-To: <CAGhFmTiOcgCx+403KyzwjgDSZqPNudbNNe4n6jn7aNSGyKJF-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPf3Gb42V3Swu+kWjAA+0ONNin54GdckphXh-=k49kztp3F9Og@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACVQm3n=R3VPes_8upDkBZuHTUhE_KEV_75+k8KXN6gUtGnsYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKynJK=f-3v99D9BwvGC3YS466kXpi0n1dao7SanAOUBEEBZBw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKynJK=e9Y4X-CKfJoVEiLBUwZN7UKNJB=8zt=x6HxCfErKy6A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGhFmTiOcgCx+403KyzwjgDSZqPNudbNNe4n6jn7aNSGyKJF-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <emdfab5d99-8e42-453a-97e4-d623596ae183@jimsdesktop-pc>

Either the person(s) causing it turned it off or propagation is gone 
from it's origin to the Wichita, KS area as I just checked and it has 
gone away.  It had been on for at least several hours before I became 
aware of it and as of 15:50Z it's not there anymore.

Jim, W0EB

We probably better end this thread now though before Eric shuts it down 
due to too many posts.

From k5zeglenn at gmail.com  Thu Nov 21 10:55:15 2019
From: k5zeglenn at gmail.com (Glenn Haffly)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 08:55:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Carrier
In-Reply-To: <CAGhFmTiOcgCx+403KyzwjgDSZqPNudbNNe4n6jn7aNSGyKJF-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPf3Gb42V3Swu+kWjAA+0ONNin54GdckphXh-=k49kztp3F9Og@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACVQm3n=R3VPes_8upDkBZuHTUhE_KEV_75+k8KXN6gUtGnsYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKynJK=f-3v99D9BwvGC3YS466kXpi0n1dao7SanAOUBEEBZBw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKynJK=e9Y4X-CKfJoVEiLBUwZN7UKNJB=8zt=x6HxCfErKy6A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGhFmTiOcgCx+403KyzwjgDSZqPNudbNNe4n6jn7aNSGyKJF-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPf3Gb5grX4brdSo-m8p4PiLqW3rkOiCZzaSFR7qtH9be7vkxg@mail.gmail.com>

I tuned across the carrier at 0330 local. Just checked and I do not hear it
now. I could hear it over 5 hours constantly.

Glenn K5ZE

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 8:45 AM Ted Edwards W3TB <w3tb.ted at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hearing it in Franklin, Tennessee -- 20 miles south of Nashville.
> I can't say anything about it directionally.
> How long has it been there?  Was not there last night during CW Ops 0300.
>
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 9:35 AM Dave Sublette <k4to.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Appears to Peak at 335 degrees and 155 degrees.  335 slightly stronger on
> > my 2 element yagis.  Nulls at 65 and 245.
> >
> > I am 25 miles East of Lexington , KY
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:24 AM Dave Sublette <k4to.dave at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > S9 here in KY
> > >
> > > K4TO
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:21 AM Richard Zalewski <dick.w7zr at gmail.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Here it in AZ....
> > >>
> > >> Richard
> > >> *W7ZR* ex:5C5Z, CN2ZR, K2JSP, W6SBZ, W7KXR, K9ZIJ, W9KNF, W0KDF,
> W0MQU,
> > >> J68ZR, KC6ZR, PJ4/W7ZR, KH2,W7ZR, KH6/W7ZR, V31ZR, VK4AAZ, XE2DV
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> *Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer*
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 7:52 AM Glenn Haffly <k5zeglenn at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Anyone else hearing a carrier on 7.025 Mc?
> > >> > From this Colorado QTH it has been a steady key down carrier going
> > >> > on 4 straight hours. I hope someone did not collapse on their key.
> > >> >
> > >> > Glenn K5ZE
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>
> and thinking about operating CW:
> "Do today what others won't,
> so you can do tomorrow what others can't."
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From w4my at reagan.com  Thu Nov 21 11:28:55 2019
From: w4my at reagan.com (Marty)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 11:28:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Case
Message-ID: <88990978-216F-4572-BFC8-9A3ADBC49764@reagan.com>

I want to get a case for my soon to be K4D and I was wondering what the Beta testers and Elecraft are using.  I need to get the message to Santa. 

I?ve been looking at the Pelican Protector 1600 with an interior capacity of 21.43?W x 16.50?D x 7.87?H. 

Does anyone else have another suggestion?

73 Marty / W4MY

From lists at subich.com  Thu Nov 21 11:32:46 2019
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 11:32:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Drive Levels and the SPE 1.3K-FA
In-Reply-To: <20191121094207.Horde.Byaye1AqWqFXtpjU2p3BpgS@www11.qth.com>
References: <20191121094207.Horde.Byaye1AqWqFXtpjU2p3BpgS@www11.qth.com>
Message-ID: <9b520263-4156-abbb-d0b3-2cd12945f57f@subich.com>



It would be more appropriate if SPE shipped their amplifiers to
the US with the proper (legal) attenuator in place.  That way one
would be running the K3/K3s at 30 Watts in the first place.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV

On 2019-11-21 10:42 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
> I have operated RTTY with my K3S in the 11 watt range not knowing that 
> this was bad for the LPAs. It would be nice if the Elecraft K3/K3S would 
> allow the option to turn on the 100 watt power amp and a lower power 
> setting.
> 
> John KK9A
> 
> dgb ns9i wrote:
> 
> I run a lot of rtty and digital with my K3. I always set the amp to the
> mid range getting 8-900w out. It takes only 8-11 w drive from the K3 to
> accomplish that.
> 
> Note: SPE recommends to run the amp in Mid Range for digital operation.
> When I first got the amp I made the mistake of running it in the high
> range and melted the copper heat sink, which was not considered a
> warranty repair, and was an expensive lesson learned.
> 
> Over the? course of the 3 yrs. that I've owned the amp,? I have blown 4
> LPA's in the K3 running it at 8-11w. With latest repair the tech
> informed me that the "LPA is not rated for continuous duty at upper
> power levels (like the digital Modes)" They suggested running 13w vs 11w
> so the LPA wouldn't be used. If I do that it over-drives the SPE in the
> mid-range.
> 
> What is my suggested recourse?
> 
> thanks 73 Dwight NS9I
> 


From ns9i at bayland.net  Thu Nov 21 11:54:41 2019
From: ns9i at bayland.net (dgb)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 10:54:41 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Drive Levels and the SPE 1.3K-FA
In-Reply-To: <fb2f8d83-eb6f-99e2-5e15-762f84ca2edb@blomand.net>
References: <20191121094207.Horde.Byaye1AqWqFXtpjU2p3BpgS@www11.qth.com>
	<fb2f8d83-eb6f-99e2-5e15-762f84ca2edb@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <7890957f-973e-b91d-07ed-b7c77dfc315e@bayland.net>

Yes, but, that also attenuates receive. I know, not much but I need 
every fraction of a db on 80 and 160 for those weak ATNO's. Yes I know I 
could switch one in/out but, remoting adds another can of worms, 
especially when remoting.

I received some excellent advice from Fabio IK6ZER on the SPE reflector 
and think that will alleviate any further LPA problems. We'll see, I get 
the K3 back today.

Email me off-list and I will share that.

73 Dwight NS9I

On 11/21/2019 9:47 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Why not add a 1 dB or 2 dB attenuator in line at the input of the 
> amp??? That would allow for a bit higher drive power from the K3S.?? 
> Three carbon resistors will make a nice Pi attenuator.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
> On 11/21/2019 9:42 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
>> I have operated RTTY with my K3S in the 11 watt range not knowing 
>> that this was bad for the LPAs. It would be nice if the Elecraft 
>> K3/K3S would allow the option to turn on the 100 watt power amp and a 
>> lower power setting.
>>
>> John KK9A
>>
>> dgb ns9i wrote:
>>
>> I run a lot of rtty and digital with my K3. I always set the amp to the
>> mid range getting 8-900w out. It takes only 8-11 w drive from the K3 to
>> accomplish that.
>>
>> Note: SPE recommends to run the amp in Mid Range for digital operation.
>> When I first got the amp I made the mistake of running it in the high
>> range and melted the copper heat sink, which was not considered a
>> warranty repair, and was an expensive lesson learned.
>>
>> Over the? course of the 3 yrs. that I've owned the amp,? I have blown 4
>> LPA's in the K3 running it at 8-11w. With latest repair the tech
>> informed me that the "LPA is not rated for continuous duty at upper
>> power levels (like the digital Modes)" They suggested running 13w vs 11w
>> so the LPA wouldn't be used. If I do that it over-drives the SPE in the
>> mid-range.
>>
>> What is my suggested recourse?
>>
>> thanks 73 Dwight NS9I
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From pvandyke1953 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 21 11:54:04 2019
From: pvandyke1953 at gmail.com (Paul Van Dyke)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 10:54:04 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Case
In-Reply-To: <88990978-216F-4572-BFC8-9A3ADBC49764@reagan.com>
References: <88990978-216F-4572-BFC8-9A3ADBC49764@reagan.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPKcUkrTNYmOd+BNBG+r-PrDBZ4BQnbG4JVPJuKGucH=t5gSA@mail.gmail.com>

Marty
You posted what I was going to as mine will be going on a dxpedition
basically right after it comes in.
LOL, my KX3 #24 was on Montserrat, within 4 days after coming in.
And scoped out that case for it.. But the masters of the K4 may have better
ideas

Paul Van Dyke KB9AVO

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:30 AM Marty via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> I want to get a case for my soon to be K4D and I was wondering what the
> Beta testers and Elecraft are using.  I need to get the message to Santa.
>
> I?ve been looking at the Pelican Protector 1600 with an interior capacity
> of 21.43?W x 16.50?D x 7.87?H.
>
> Does anyone else have another suggestion?
>
> 73 Marty / W4MY
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Thu Nov 21 12:04:43 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 11:04:43 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Drive Levels and the SPE 1.3K-FA
In-Reply-To: <9b520263-4156-abbb-d0b3-2cd12945f57f@subich.com>
References: <20191121094207.Horde.Byaye1AqWqFXtpjU2p3BpgS@www11.qth.com>
	<9b520263-4156-abbb-d0b3-2cd12945f57f@subich.com>
Message-ID: <1556c0af-7e01-5a57-02cf-fa1ef39203b6@blomand.net>

That is correct.?? The current FCC regulation requires that an amp be 
limited to 15 dB of gain.

Therefore, 900 watts out with 11 watts of drive is 19.12 dB gain.???? 
Even with 800 watts out and 11 watts of drive the gain would be 18.61 
dB.? Not exactly legal in the USA.?? dB = 10log(p1/p2)?? Thus 30 watts 
input and 900 watts output is 14.77 dB gain.? A ~3 db pad on the input 
would correct the issue and make the amp "legal" to use and import into 
the USA.?? I bet someone at SPE fudged the numbers on the paperwork.

73

Bob, K4TAX



On 11/21/2019 10:32 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
>
> It would be more appropriate if SPE shipped their amplifiers to
> the US with the proper (legal) attenuator in place.? That way one
> would be running the K3/K3s at 30 Watts in the first place.
>
> 73,
>
> ?? ... Joe, W4TV
>
> On 2019-11-21 10:42 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
>> I have operated RTTY with my K3S in the 11 watt range not knowing 
>> that this was bad for the LPAs. It would be nice if the Elecraft 
>> K3/K3S would allow the option to turn on the 100 watt power amp and a 
>> lower power setting.
>>
>> John KK9A
>>
>> dgb ns9i wrote:
>>
>> I run a lot of rtty and digital with my K3. I always set the amp to the
>> mid range getting 8-900w out. It takes only 8-11 w drive from the K3 to
>> accomplish that.
>>
>> Note: SPE recommends to run the amp in Mid Range for digital operation.
>> When I first got the amp I made the mistake of running it in the high
>> range and melted the copper heat sink, which was not considered a
>> warranty repair, and was an expensive lesson learned.
>>
>> Over the? course of the 3 yrs. that I've owned the amp,? I have blown 4
>> LPA's in the K3 running it at 8-11w. With latest repair the tech
>> informed me that the "LPA is not rated for continuous duty at upper
>> power levels (like the digital Modes)" They suggested running 13w vs 11w
>> so the LPA wouldn't be used. If I do that it over-drives the SPE in the
>> mid-range.
>>
>> What is my suggested recourse?
>>
>> thanks 73 Dwight NS9I
>>
>
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From g0opb at compuserve.com  Thu Nov 21 12:35:15 2019
From: g0opb at compuserve.com (Tony Canning)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:35:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Front Panel Flash.
References: <107819814.4591811.1574357715163.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <107819814.4591811.1574357715163@mail.yahoo.com>

Having some issues making the utility prog fill?the FP flash, both MCU and DSP are OK.Tried two FTDI serial leads with same result.K3 Display = "FP Pending"Also PC utility displays error #000000048Any sugestions welcome.
Thanks
Tony G2NF
g0opb at compuserve.com


From donovanf at starpower.net  Thu Nov 21 12:44:25 2019
From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 12:44:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Front Panel Flash.
In-Reply-To: <107819814.4591811.1574357715163@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1300546041.2481837.1574358265914.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>

Hi Tony, 


I had the same problem a few years ago. It turned out to be the the "gold pins" 
problem on the front panel PC board. Removing and reinserting the 
connectors temporarily fixed the problem, but it soon returned until 
gold pins were installed. 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Tony Canning" <g0opb at compuserve.com> 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 5:35:15 PM 
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Front Panel Flash. 

Having some issues making the utility prog fill the FP flash, both MCU and DSP are OK.Tried two FTDI serial leads with same result.K3 Display = "FP Pending"Also PC utility displays error #000000048Any sugestions welcome. 
Thanks 
Tony G2NF 
g0opb at compuserve.com 

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From dl7ugo at darc.de  Thu Nov 21 12:45:20 2019
From: dl7ugo at darc.de (LDE)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 18:45:20 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Drive Levels and the SPE 1.3K-FA
In-Reply-To: <20191121094207.Horde.Byaye1AqWqFXtpjU2p3BpgS@www11.qth.com>
References: <20191121094207.Horde.Byaye1AqWqFXtpjU2p3BpgS@www11.qth.com>
Message-ID: <000801d5a093$71e557f0$55b007d0$@darc.de>

I only work RTTY with 5 ... 8 W input from the K3S. That's enough.
73
Lutz, DL7UGO


From jh at hoffmaninv.com  Thu Nov 21 13:29:42 2019
From: jh at hoffmaninv.com (W8JH)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 11:29:42 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 RX routing?
In-Reply-To: <00DE4568-D971-45FE-83E8-5A12FE4351EC@elecraft.com>
References: <CACYeN9wH1n=WLKx=X5ShM_heck6tCnb0n-wwTJLzLeF0cm9H=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<00DE4568-D971-45FE-83E8-5A12FE4351EC@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1574360982974-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

And if you do NOT want the antenna tuner how many inputs would you have on a
K4 and a K4D?

73,

Joe, W8JH



-----
73,

Joe, W8JH

K3s, KPA 500, KAT 500 and  KX3 happy user.
--
Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Nov 21 13:37:20 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 10:37:20 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 RX routing?
In-Reply-To: <1574360982974-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <CACYeN9wH1n=WLKx=X5ShM_heck6tCnb0n-wwTJLzLeF0cm9H=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<00DE4568-D971-45FE-83E8-5A12FE4351EC@elecraft.com>
	<1574360982974-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <E2A36D6E-F991-46CC-95E0-3B5B2EF59CB9@elecraft.com>

Three:  ANT1 (RX/TX), RX ANT IN 1 (RX), RX ANT IN 2 (RX).

The optional transverter module has its own antenna jack, so technically the maximum number of RF inputs is four.

Wayne
N6KR


> On Nov 21, 2019, at 10:29 AM, W8JH <jh at hoffmaninv.com> wrote:
> 
> And if you do NOT want the antenna tuner how many inputs would you have on a
> K4 and a K4D?
> 
> 73,
> 
> Joe, W8JH
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> 73,
> 
> Joe, W8JH
> 
> K3s, KPA 500, KAT 500 and  KX3 happy user.
> --
> Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/




From dennis at mail4life.net  Thu Nov 21 13:45:37 2019
From: dennis at mail4life.net (Dennis Moore)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 10:45:37 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Carrier
In-Reply-To: <CAPf3Gb42V3Swu+kWjAA+0ONNin54GdckphXh-=k49kztp3F9Og@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPf3Gb42V3Swu+kWjAA+0ONNin54GdckphXh-=k49kztp3F9Og@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5208dfb5-c805-b41a-0ffe-1e826b129603@mail4life.net>

It's still S5-S7 here in NCAL, peaking at around 320 degrees. Rapid QSB.

Dennis NJ6G

On 11/21/2019 06:51, Glenn Haffly wrote:
> Anyone else hearing a carrier on 7.025 Mc?
>  From this Colorado QTH it has been a steady key down carrier going
> on 4 straight hours. I hope someone did not collapse on their key.
>
> Glenn K5ZE
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From scott.small at gmail.com  Thu Nov 21 14:10:27 2019
From: scott.small at gmail.com (Tox)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 11:10:27 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 remote software?
In-Reply-To: <A69F9F22-3FF2-4237-AF4F-0D3C3DAE140E@widomaker.com>
References: <A69F9F22-3FF2-4237-AF4F-0D3C3DAE140E@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <CADkB6Uo70c+PqDOzRcDmJQWRxM+BBynJTW+Vd4ORVSHY8ifTrA@mail.gmail.com>

Eric's tablet demos have been with a MS Surface; as of Pacificon, they
still hadn't found a developer to engage for iOS support, and didn't
have time/skills to do it inhouse.

Whatever tools you use to manage your existing K* are likely to work.
If I understood Eric correctly, Linux and Windows would get the option
of the remote UI he's demo'd in videos.

Hoping to hear something new and promising tonight at the NCDXC
meeting - either that the K4's we've put deposits on would ship closer
to original schedule, or that macOS/iOS will get love.

Whee...

Scott
AD6YT

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 6:33 AM Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
>
> Any ideas on software to use for remote operations with the K4D?  And platforms?
>
> I am thinking about getting a new computer or tablet (lPad).
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Nov 21 14:14:52 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 11:14:52 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 remote software?
In-Reply-To: <CADkB6Uo70c+PqDOzRcDmJQWRxM+BBynJTW+Vd4ORVSHY8ifTrA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A69F9F22-3FF2-4237-AF4F-0D3C3DAE140E@widomaker.com>
	<CADkB6Uo70c+PqDOzRcDmJQWRxM+BBynJTW+Vd4ORVSHY8ifTrA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FBDA326E-0294-4E86-B8CA-8BA5BF5FBAED@elecraft.com>

We have in fact found at least one mac/iOS developer who has expressed an interest. He's done excellent work in other areas of remote control, including on mobile devices.

No time frame yet.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Nov 21, 2019, at 11:10 AM, Tox <scott.small at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Eric's tablet demos have been with a MS Surface; as of Pacificon, they
> still hadn't found a developer to engage for iOS support, and didn't
> have time/skills to do it inhouse.
> 
> Whatever tools you use to manage your existing K* are likely to work.
> If I understood Eric correctly, Linux and Windows would get the option
> of the remote UI he's demo'd in videos.
> 
> Hoping to hear something new and promising tonight at the NCDXC
> meeting - either that the K4's we've put deposits on would ship closer
> to original schedule, or that macOS/iOS will get love.
> 
> Whee...
> 
> Scott
> AD6YT
> 
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 6:33 AM Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Any ideas on software to use for remote operations with the K4D?  And platforms?
>> 
>> I am thinking about getting a new computer or tablet (lPad).
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>> 
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From scott.small at gmail.com  Thu Nov 21 14:45:21 2019
From: scott.small at gmail.com (Tox)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 11:45:21 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 remote software?
In-Reply-To: <FBDA326E-0294-4E86-B8CA-8BA5BF5FBAED@elecraft.com>
References: <A69F9F22-3FF2-4237-AF4F-0D3C3DAE140E@widomaker.com>
	<CADkB6Uo70c+PqDOzRcDmJQWRxM+BBynJTW+Vd4ORVSHY8ifTrA@mail.gmail.com>
	<FBDA326E-0294-4E86-B8CA-8BA5BF5FBAED@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CADkB6Uob-efB4WHvQaGLt1YLSMUbVicOgFi8_m7-jdY6s-JpNw@mail.gmail.com>

Oh, that's awesome to hear - congrats!

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 11:14 AM Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>
> We have in fact found at least one mac/iOS developer who has expressed an interest. He's done excellent work in other areas of remote control, including on mobile devices.
>
> No time frame yet.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> > On Nov 21, 2019, at 11:10 AM, Tox <scott.small at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Eric's tablet demos have been with a MS Surface; as of Pacificon, they
> > still hadn't found a developer to engage for iOS support, and didn't
> > have time/skills to do it inhouse.
> >
> > Whatever tools you use to manage your existing K* are likely to work.
> > If I understood Eric correctly, Linux and Windows would get the option
> > of the remote UI he's demo'd in videos.
> >
> > Hoping to hear something new and promising tonight at the NCDXC
> > meeting - either that the K4's we've put deposits on would ship closer
> > to original schedule, or that macOS/iOS will get love.
> >
> > Whee...
> >
> > Scott
> > AD6YT
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 6:33 AM Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Any ideas on software to use for remote operations with the K4D?  And platforms?
> >>
> >> I am thinking about getting a new computer or tablet (lPad).
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> ...nr4c. bill
> >>
> >>
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From gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 21 15:02:11 2019
From: gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com (eric norris)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 20:02:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX4???
References: <1973619235.3660220.1574366531889.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1973619235.3660220.1574366531889@mail.yahoo.com>

I see Eric is scheduled to talk at the NCDXC tomorrow about the KX4.? Is this a typo, or have the elves been even busier than I thought?
73 Eric WD6DBM

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

From k5apl41 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 21 16:05:04 2019
From: k5apl41 at gmail.com (wes Bolin)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 15:05:04 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Soid
Message-ID: <CALM7jM7fgfBF_3hS9YqWSn7c1UKu=9Dn59kFFHM8U_nim8CYFw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for all.
Wes

From scott.small at gmail.com  Thu Nov 21 15:09:18 2019
From: scott.small at gmail.com (Tox)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 12:09:18 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX4???
In-Reply-To: <1973619235.3660220.1574366531889@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1973619235.3660220.1574366531889.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1973619235.3660220.1574366531889@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CADkB6Up7qB1ehK1An4r+CMJJTpTb0KUoyT-Ks9UQ=sKCxUjMLg@mail.gmail.com>

Eric also presented on it at Pacificon a month ago. While I would love
some good news tonight, I'm kinda expecting a rerun :)

Scott
AD6YT

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 12:02 PM eric norris via Elecraft
<elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
> I see Eric is scheduled to talk at the NCDXC tomorrow about the KX4.  Is this a typo, or have the elves been even busier than I thought?
> 73 Eric WD6DBM
>
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Nov 21 15:14:17 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 12:14:17 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX4???
In-Reply-To: <1973619235.3660220.1574366531889@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1973619235.3660220.1574366531889.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1973619235.3660220.1574366531889@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0142C8B6-3658-4BDA-A149-90EE71DF68B3@elecraft.com>

K4.

Wayne


> On Nov 21, 2019, at 12:02 PM, eric norris via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> I see Eric is scheduled to talk at the NCDXC tomorrow about the KX4.  Is this a typo, or have the elves been even busier than I thought?
> 73 Eric WD6DBM
> 
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From scott.small at gmail.com  Thu Nov 21 15:21:38 2019
From: scott.small at gmail.com (Tox)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 12:21:38 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX4???
In-Reply-To: <0142C8B6-3658-4BDA-A149-90EE71DF68B3@elecraft.com>
References: <1973619235.3660220.1574366531889.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1973619235.3660220.1574366531889@mail.yahoo.com>
	<0142C8B6-3658-4BDA-A149-90EE71DF68B3@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CADkB6UobAjk99+emZw-oLotn2ELhZTMZAgYDTd7pF3b-TSqV8g@mail.gmail.com>

Ha - and I misparsed. I read "kx4" as "k4" and thought Mr. Norris was
being hopeful for something like a ship announcement tonight :)

I'll just see myself out....

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 12:14 PM Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>
> K4.
>
> Wayne
>
>
> > On Nov 21, 2019, at 12:02 PM, eric norris via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> >
> > I see Eric is scheduled to talk at the NCDXC tomorrow about the KX4.  Is this a typo, or have the elves been even busier than I thought?
> > 73 Eric WD6DBM
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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From backhoeken at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 21 15:33:09 2019
From: backhoeken at yahoo.com (Ken B)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 20:33:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX4???
In-Reply-To: <CADkB6Up7qB1ehK1An4r+CMJJTpTb0KUoyT-Ks9UQ=sKCxUjMLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1973619235.3660220.1574366531889.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1973619235.3660220.1574366531889@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CADkB6Up7qB1ehK1An4r+CMJJTpTb0KUoyT-Ks9UQ=sKCxUjMLg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <997306610.4702584.1574368389554@mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Santa? ?a Christmas package would be oh so nice. Even if it required several firmware updates after?

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 3:16 PM, Tox<scott.small at gmail.com> wrote:   Eric also presented on it at Pacificon a month ago. While I would love
some good news tonight, I'm kinda expecting a rerun :)

Scott
AD6YT

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 12:02 PM eric norris via Elecraft
<elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
> I see Eric is scheduled to talk at the NCDXC tomorrow about the KX4.? Is this a typo, or have the elves been even busier than I thought?
> 73 Eric WD6DBM
>
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From k4to.dave at gmail.com  Thu Nov 21 15:33:46 2019
From: k4to.dave at gmail.com (Dave Sublette)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 15:33:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] External 10 Mhz reference level
Message-ID: <CAKynJKmqJGb6LZ6dZHfVp0MZuFuqK5FY5zkLEG4YuAX71go6Ew@mail.gmail.com>

I have a K3s, delivered in January this year.  I am using an external GPS
disciplined 10 Mhz reference to the External Ref input on the back.  I
cannot find anywhere in the manual what the required level for this input
is.  I have -1.1 dBm and it seems to work.  However, once in a while, the
K3s frequency shifts down 10 hz, then back to the original frequency, then
up 10 hz, then back to original frequency, all in a matter of two t four
seconds.   This happens maybe once a week and lasts for a minute or two.  I
have never heard it do more than one sequence of  down-back-up-back at
 time.

It is very noticeable on receive and a local ham told me he noticed it on
my transmitted signal also.

Could it be that my input level is too low?

It is possible that the GPS reference is jumping, but  I haven't been able
to observe that yet.  I am watching.

73,

Dave, K4TO

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Thu Nov 21 15:40:40 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 15:40:40 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] External 10 Mhz reference level
In-Reply-To: <CAKynJKmqJGb6LZ6dZHfVp0MZuFuqK5FY5zkLEG4YuAX71go6Ew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKynJKmqJGb6LZ6dZHfVp0MZuFuqK5FY5zkLEG4YuAX71go6Ew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9E98B46E-4C39-432E-B9EA-D14139DA508A@gmail.com>

It?s in the K3XREF manual.  +4 to +16 dBm.  Your reference doesn?t have enough output.

Grant NQ5T

> On Nov 21, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Dave Sublette <k4to.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a K3s, delivered in January this year.  I am using an external GPS
> disciplined 10 Mhz reference to the External Ref input on the back.  I
> cannot find anywhere in the manual what the required level for this input
> is.  I have -1.1 dBm and it seems to work.  However, once in a while, the
> K3s frequency shifts down 10 hz, then back to the original frequency, then
> up 10 hz, then back to original frequency, all in a matter of two t four
> seconds.   This happens maybe once a week and lasts for a minute or two.  I
> have never heard it do more than one sequence of  down-back-up-back at
> time.
> 


From k4to.dave at gmail.com  Thu Nov 21 15:48:36 2019
From: k4to.dave at gmail.com (Dave Sublette)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 15:48:36 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] External 10 Mhz reference level
In-Reply-To: <9E98B46E-4C39-432E-B9EA-D14139DA508A@gmail.com>
References: <CAKynJKmqJGb6LZ6dZHfVp0MZuFuqK5FY5zkLEG4YuAX71go6Ew@mail.gmail.com>
	<9E98B46E-4C39-432E-B9EA-D14139DA508A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKynJK=+pxDk3YktaUWE3cobeEBEvhqwO5+sdcgC-MtxKQq22Q@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, thanks.  I can fix it!  I have another amplifier/splitter I can put on
it.   I didn't remember that there was an addition manual for the K3REF

  :-(

73,

Dave

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 3:40 PM Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com> wrote:

> It?s in the K3XREF manual.  +4 to +16 dBm.  Your reference doesn?t have
> enough output.
>
> Grant NQ5T
>
> > On Nov 21, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Dave Sublette <k4to.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have a K3s, delivered in January this year.  I am using an external GPS
> > disciplined 10 Mhz reference to the External Ref input on the back.  I
> > cannot find anywhere in the manual what the required level for this input
> > is.  I have -1.1 dBm and it seems to work.  However, once in a while, the
> > K3s frequency shifts down 10 hz, then back to the original frequency,
> then
> > up 10 hz, then back to original frequency, all in a matter of two t four
> > seconds.   This happens maybe once a week and lasts for a minute or
> two.  I
> > have never heard it do more than one sequence of  down-back-up-back at
> > time.
> >
>
>

From keith at elecraft.com  Thu Nov 21 17:04:00 2019
From: keith at elecraft.com (Keith Trinity WE6R)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 14:04:00 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Drive Levels and the SPE 1.3K-FA
In-Reply-To: <20191121094207.Horde.Byaye1AqWqFXtpjU2p3BpgS@www11.qth.com>
References: <20191121094207.Horde.Byaye1AqWqFXtpjU2p3BpgS@www11.qth.com>
Message-ID: <efef9c28-c2bd-c39b-1a91-f7fad6b3515a@elecraft.com>

You can play with the Config Menu watt meter calibration high and low 
numbers to get the switch-over point different.
IE where the Low power amp (LPA) switches to 100 amp (KPA3). This 
happens at 12W "indicated".
The two Calibration numbers are for all bands!

So; Go into config menu WMTR LP (below 12W) or HP (above 12W). (note 6 
meters switches at 8W)!
Make a note of both numbers so you can put them back!
Extreme numbers to get the KPA3 to click in at lower actual power levels 
would be to set both for 180 (max).
You will have to use an external watt-meter to see what is going on as 
the K3 internal watt-meter readout is all out of calibration now!!
I just played with a radio and it switches over at about 7 watts with 
both numbers at 180
Have fun!
Keith WE6R


From keith at elecraft.com  Thu Nov 21 17:15:06 2019
From: keith at elecraft.com (Keith Trinity WE6R)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 14:15:06 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Front Panel Flash.
In-Reply-To: <107819814.4591811.1574357715163@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <107819814.4591811.1574357715163@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <339c5412-e494-077f-a426-ac911f0d91b0@elecraft.com>

What serial number is your K3? Older ones might need C84 on the front 
panel changes if you are seeing lots of retries during FPF load.
You might try a different computer, or the slow 4800 baud rate.
Or if it is not the "many retires" issue, you might try doing a "Forced 
MCU load" procedure, see manual.
Or, from my K3 notes;

*_** The following three items are related.
Many retries trying to load FPF (MCU loads OK). Applies to older K3?s only.
_*_Fix;_Replace C84 on the Front Panel with E530227. You ?can? do this 
by just taking off the front panel, and use a very fine-long soldering 
tip and steady hand. Otherwise, you must take the sheet metal off for 
access.

Also could be low 5V, U12 on RF board-Associated with other misc ERR 
messages (lots of error errors).
*_Config Menu items and VFO B area are gibberish, mix-matched items 
description.
_*Corrupt FPF, (Front Panel Flash). OR FPF does not match MCU code versions.
_Fix:_ Re-load correct FPF version.
SEE associated. Also ?Many retries? above if trouble loading FPF.
*_Associated; OR; Radio makes wild frequency hops or jumps or invalid 
frequencies displayed. Also options may turn themselves on or off or set 
to bypass or install themselves.
_*Corrupt FPF, confirmed by looking at the Config menu items ?XV1 ON? 
then tapping 1 thru 9 and looking for strange frequency entries and/or 
some set to YES that shouldn?t be. Then look for XVx, RF or IF and look 
for weird values, usually on XV9. (144 and 28 are the default)
_Fix:_ EE-INIT (parameter initialization) then Re-load FPF and re-load 
known good config file (check XV9 after) . Or setup and calibrate. DO 
NOT JUST SET THE XVTR ENTRIES TO DEFAULT! They are an indicator the FPF 
is corrupt, not the cause of it. And just setting them to default will 
NOT fix the corruption.
Keith WE6R


From joanpatrie at me.com  Thu Nov 21 19:24:53 2019
From: joanpatrie at me.com (Joan)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 16:24:53 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX4???
Message-ID: <B05DE1A7-3BFF-4E31-AE45-CE37CD358B64@me.com>

The KX4 (in my imagination) could be a QRP version of the K4 (minus the 100 watt final and perhaps a few other power consumption tweaks) ^_^

72 de KX2CW  ..
~joan

Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra, said Piglet.
Shaka, when the walls fell, said Pooh.

> On Nov 21, 2019, at 12:02, eric norris <gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> I see Eric is scheduled to talk at the NCDXC tomorrow about the KX4.  Is this a typo, or have the elves been even busier than I thought?
> 73 Eric WD6DBM
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

From ns9i at bayland.net  Thu Nov 21 20:15:38 2019
From: ns9i at bayland.net (dgb)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 19:15:38 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Drive Levels and the SPE 1.3K-FA
In-Reply-To: <efef9c28-c2bd-c39b-1a91-f7fad6b3515a@elecraft.com>
References: <20191121094207.Horde.Byaye1AqWqFXtpjU2p3BpgS@www11.qth.com>
	<efef9c28-c2bd-c39b-1a91-f7fad6b3515a@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <344a1c9e-627c-b7ee-cbcd-668367e0b566@bayland.net>

Thanks for the good info Keith - I quit using 12w yrs ago as one E'craft 
tech told me after the 1st one blew.

Also heard from another that I could turn the fans on all the time which 
should help as normally they are only on when you go to 13w and up.

Will play with them - t u 73 Dwight NS9I

On 11/21/2019 4:04 PM, Keith Trinity WE6R wrote:
> You can play with the Config Menu watt meter calibration high and low 
> numbers to get the switch-over point different.
> IE where the Low power amp (LPA) switches to 100 amp (KPA3). This 
> happens at 12W "indicated".
> The two Calibration numbers are for all bands!
>
> So; Go into config menu WMTR LP (below 12W) or HP (above 12W). (note 6 
> meters switches at 8W)!
> Make a note of both numbers so you can put them back!
> Extreme numbers to get the KPA3 to click in at lower actual power 
> levels would be to set both for 180 (max).
> You will have to use an external watt-meter to see what is going on as 
> the K3 internal watt-meter readout is all out of calibration now!!
> I just played with a radio and it switches over at about 7 watts with 
> both numbers at 180
> Have fun!
> Keith WE6R
>
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From dennisashworth49 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 21 22:15:09 2019
From: dennisashworth49 at gmail.com (Dennis Ashworth)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 19:15:09 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Drive Levels and the SPE 1.3K-FA
Message-ID: <F49854C7-C1B1-4C26-9E0B-F1A9D410BBE6@gmail.com>

Makes you wonder how K3/10 users fair running high duty cycle modes at full output. I?ve replaced two sets of LPF drivers running 10W WSJT on my K3/100. No more! Now I advance the power until the amplifier engages (~12W). Hopefully this reduces driver dissipation.

Dennis, K7FL 


> On Nov 21, 2019, at 5:15 PM, dgb <ns9i at bayland.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks for the good info Keith - I quit using 12w yrs ago as one E'craft tech told me after the 1st one blew.
> 
> Also heard from another that I could turn the fans on all the time which should help as normally they are only on when you go to 13w and up.
> 
> Will play with them - t u 73 Dwight NS9I
> 
>>> On 11/21/2019 4:04 PM, Keith Trinity WE6R wrote:
>> You can play with the Config Menu watt meter calibration high and low numbers to get the switch-over point different.
>> IE where the Low power amp (LPA) switches to 100 amp (KPA3). This happens at 12W "indicated".
>> The two Calibration numbers are for all bands!
>> So; Go into config menu WMTR LP (below 12W) or HP (above 12W). (note 6 meters switches at 8W)!
>> Make a note of both numbers so you can put them back!
>> Extreme numbers to get the KPA3 to click in at lower actual power levels would be to set both for 180 (max).
>> You will have to use an external watt-meter to see what is going on as the K3 internal watt-meter readout is all out of calibration now!!
>> I just played with a radio and it switches over at about 7 watts with both numbers at 180
>> Have fun!
>> Keith WE6R
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Thu Nov 21 23:31:33 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 22:31:33 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Drive Levels and the SPE 1.3K-FA
In-Reply-To: <F49854C7-C1B1-4C26-9E0B-F1A9D410BBE6@gmail.com>
References: <F49854C7-C1B1-4C26-9E0B-F1A9D410BBE6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26DFABD3-F8C6-419A-A293-8598C64F9216@blomand.net>

I learned my lesson running 12 to 15 watts or so having to replace the KPA3A twice.  I now run 20 to 25 watts driving my KPA500 to rated output.  Be it CW, SSB or digital modes.  Otherwise it is 100 watts when not running the KPA500.  Running conservative power doesn't get it. 

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 21, 2019, at 9:15 PM, Dennis Ashworth <dennisashworth49 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Makes you wonder how K3/10 users fair running high duty cycle modes at full output. I?ve replaced two sets of LPF drivers running 10W WSJT on my K3/100. No more! Now I advance the power until the amplifier engages (~12W). Hopefully this reduces driver dissipation.
> 
> Dennis, K7FL 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 21, 2019, at 5:15 PM, dgb <ns9i at bayland.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Thanks for the good info Keith - I quit using 12w yrs ago as one E'craft tech told me after the 1st one blew.
>> 
>> Also heard from another that I could turn the fans on all the time which should help as normally they are only on when you go to 13w and up.
>> 
>> Will play with them - t u 73 Dwight NS9I
>> 
>>>> On 11/21/2019 4:04 PM, Keith Trinity WE6R wrote:
>>> You can play with the Config Menu watt meter calibration high and low numbers to get the switch-over point different.
>>> IE where the Low power amp (LPA) switches to 100 amp (KPA3). This happens at 12W "indicated".
>>> The two Calibration numbers are for all bands!
>>> So; Go into config menu WMTR LP (below 12W) or HP (above 12W). (note 6 meters switches at 8W)!
>>> Make a note of both numbers so you can put them back!
>>> Extreme numbers to get the KPA3 to click in at lower actual power levels would be to set both for 180 (max).
>>> You will have to use an external watt-meter to see what is going on as the K3 internal watt-meter readout is all out of calibration now!!
>>> I just played with a radio and it switches over at about 7 watts with both numbers at 180
>>> Have fun!
>>> Keith WE6R
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Fri Nov 22 08:08:11 2019
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 13:08:11 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Drive Levels and the SPE 1.3K-FA
In-Reply-To: <26DFABD3-F8C6-419A-A293-8598C64F9216@blomand.net>
References: <F49854C7-C1B1-4C26-9E0B-F1A9D410BBE6@gmail.com>,
	<26DFABD3-F8C6-419A-A293-8598C64F9216@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <8E5FB14E-2DCB-4FDC-96C1-7DEB68B5004C@illinois.edu>

I thought the answer was to run the KPA  by going up to 12 or 15 watts. What is the LPA running when when the power is at 12 or 15 watts? What is it running when the power is at 20 or 25 watts?

Chuck Jack Hawley 
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On Nov 21, 2019, at 10:32 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> 
> I learned my lesson running 12 to 15 watts or so having to replace the KPA3A twice.  I now run 20 to 25 watts driving my KPA500 to rated output.  Be it CW, SSB or digital modes.  Otherwise it is 100 watts when not running the KPA500.  Running conservative power doesn't get it. 
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 21, 2019, at 9:15 PM, Dennis Ashworth <dennisashworth49 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Makes you wonder how K3/10 users fair running high duty cycle modes at full output. I?ve replaced two sets of LPF drivers running 10W WSJT on my K3/100. No more! Now I advance the power until the amplifier engages (~12W). Hopefully this reduces driver dissipation.
>> 
>> Dennis, K7FL 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 21, 2019, at 5:15 PM, dgb <ns9i at bayland.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Thanks for the good info Keith - I quit using 12w yrs ago as one E'craft tech told me after the 1st one blew.
>>> 
>>> Also heard from another that I could turn the fans on all the time which should help as normally they are only on when you go to 13w and up.
>>> 
>>> Will play with them - t u 73 Dwight NS9I
>>> 
>>>>> On 11/21/2019 4:04 PM, Keith Trinity WE6R wrote:
>>>> You can play with the Config Menu watt meter calibration high and low numbers to get the switch-over point different.
>>>> IE where the Low power amp (LPA) switches to 100 amp (KPA3). This happens at 12W "indicated".
>>>> The two Calibration numbers are for all bands!
>>>> So; Go into config menu WMTR LP (below 12W) or HP (above 12W). (note 6 meters switches at 8W)!
>>>> Make a note of both numbers so you can put them back!
>>>> Extreme numbers to get the KPA3 to click in at lower actual power levels would be to set both for 180 (max).
>>>> You will have to use an external watt-meter to see what is going on as the K3 internal watt-meter readout is all out of calibration now!!
>>>> I just played with a radio and it switches over at about 7 watts with both numbers at 180
>>>> Have fun!
>>>> Keith WE6R
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Fri Nov 22 08:10:19 2019
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 13:10:19 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Drive Levels and the SPE 1.3K-FA
In-Reply-To: <26DFABD3-F8C6-419A-A293-8598C64F9216@blomand.net>
References: <F49854C7-C1B1-4C26-9E0B-F1A9D410BBE6@gmail.com>,
	<26DFABD3-F8C6-419A-A293-8598C64F9216@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <EA68A0A8-1567-4EE5-9CD1-C0B360C2542E@illinois.edu>

Oh I just reread your post. My mistake. So running low power on the KPA is also problematic?

Chuck Jack Hawley 
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On Nov 21, 2019, at 10:32 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> 
> I learned my lesson running 12 to 15 watts or so having to replace the KPA3A twice.  I now run 20 to 25 watts driving my KPA500 to rated output.  Be it CW, SSB or digital modes.  Otherwise it is 100 watts when not running the KPA500.  Running conservative power doesn't get it. 
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 21, 2019, at 9:15 PM, Dennis Ashworth <dennisashworth49 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Makes you wonder how K3/10 users fair running high duty cycle modes at full output. I?ve replaced two sets of LPF drivers running 10W WSJT on my K3/100. No more! Now I advance the power until the amplifier engages (~12W). Hopefully this reduces driver dissipation.
>> 
>> Dennis, K7FL 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 21, 2019, at 5:15 PM, dgb <ns9i at bayland.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Thanks for the good info Keith - I quit using 12w yrs ago as one E'craft tech told me after the 1st one blew.
>>> 
>>> Also heard from another that I could turn the fans on all the time which should help as normally they are only on when you go to 13w and up.
>>> 
>>> Will play with them - t u 73 Dwight NS9I
>>> 
>>>>> On 11/21/2019 4:04 PM, Keith Trinity WE6R wrote:
>>>> You can play with the Config Menu watt meter calibration high and low numbers to get the switch-over point different.
>>>> IE where the Low power amp (LPA) switches to 100 amp (KPA3). This happens at 12W "indicated".
>>>> The two Calibration numbers are for all bands!
>>>> So; Go into config menu WMTR LP (below 12W) or HP (above 12W). (note 6 meters switches at 8W)!
>>>> Make a note of both numbers so you can put them back!
>>>> Extreme numbers to get the KPA3 to click in at lower actual power levels would be to set both for 180 (max).
>>>> You will have to use an external watt-meter to see what is going on as the K3 internal watt-meter readout is all out of calibration now!!
>>>> I just played with a radio and it switches over at about 7 watts with both numbers at 180
>>>> Have fun!
>>>> Keith WE6R
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Nov 22 09:07:36 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 08:07:36 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Drive Levels and the SPE 1.3K-FA
In-Reply-To: <8E5FB14E-2DCB-4FDC-96C1-7DEB68B5004C@illinois.edu>
References: <F49854C7-C1B1-4C26-9E0B-F1A9D410BBE6@gmail.com>
	<26DFABD3-F8C6-419A-A293-8598C64F9216@blomand.net>
	<8E5FB14E-2DCB-4FDC-96C1-7DEB68B5004C@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <b32855f1-da07-2495-d631-c6a50e71d88e@blomand.net>

With the KPA3A / 100 watt amp active, which switches in at 12 watts, the 
LPA then runs about 1 to 5 watts.? The issue I encountered was running 
the KPA3A / 100 watt amp, at the lower end of the power range being 15 
or so watts.? I encountered two failures of the KPA3A amp module.

I now stay away from that power level thus running 20 to 25 watts from 
the KPA3A.? I've been doing this since May 2018 when the last KPA3A was 
replaced.???? I was also advised by another ham who experienced several 
KPA3A failures to "stay away from 15 watts". The last KPA3A is the Rev E 
model that, according to the report from Elecraft, states "Replaced 
KPA3A Rev B with the more stable KPA3A Rev E? amp".

The discussion can be confusing as the LPA runs normally up to about 12 
to watts but can be pushed to near 15 watts.? The KPA switches in the 
circuit at ~12 watts. {Listen for the relay click} General discussion 
surrounds running the LPA at 12 to 15 watts in high duty cycle modes, 
thus causing failure of the LPA.? The devices are only heat sinked to 
the bottom panel and no forced air cooling is provided for the LPA.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 11/22/2019 7:08 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
> I thought the answer was to run the KPA  by going up to 12 or 15 watts. What is the LPA running when when the power is at 12 or 15 watts? What is it running when the power is at 20 or 25 watts?
>
> Chuck Jack Hawley
> KE9UW
>
>   
>


From jrhallas at optonline.net  Fri Nov 22 12:59:03 2019
From: jrhallas at optonline.net (Joel Hallas)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 12:59:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Drive Levels and the SPE 1.3K-FA - attenuator
	details
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9206.1574366544.13236.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.9206.1574366544.13236.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <007a01d5a15e$874ebde0$95ec39a0$@net>

For those who would like to go the attenuator route to allow the 100 W PA to
drive their amp at medium power, Phil Salas, AD5X, defined the parts for a
nice 2 dB attenuator in:

Aug 2010 - QST (Pg. 39)
Simplify Transceiver to Amplifier Interfacing with an In-Line Attenuator

Regards, Joel Hallas, W1ZR
Westport, CT






From jrf1959 at earthlink.net  Sat Nov 23 09:53:55 2019
From: jrf1959 at earthlink.net (Jim KO5V)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 07:53:55 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] Test
Message-ID: <92667477.902.1574520836717@wamui-kitty.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Testing. I'm having email issues (again!).

Sorry to SPAM the list. 73, Jim KO5V

From dave.g4aon at gmail.com  Sat Nov 23 10:13:48 2019
From: dave.g4aon at gmail.com (Dave)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 15:13:48 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Using external SDR and a K3 as antenna splitter
Message-ID: <CABiKjG5-uKviC2N_Nokj4J3g8TFyxPfaOGAurRyPqnv+w9Ygpg@mail.gmail.com>

See:
https://www.qsl.net/g4aon/elecraft_mods/

73 Dave
-- 
Sent from my iPhone SE

From tommy58 at hvc.rr.com  Sat Nov 23 10:30:45 2019
From: tommy58 at hvc.rr.com (Tommy)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 10:30:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Test
In-Reply-To: <92667477.902.1574520836717@wamui-kitty.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <92667477.902.1574520836717@wamui-kitty.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <eb6afe85-7a18-f8dc-faf1-7f9ef4884126@hvc.rr.com>

You're not spamming. That would mean you're trying to sell us something.

Seems your email is working again!

73!

Tom - KB2SMS

On 11/23/19 9:53 AM, Jim KO5V wrote:
> Testing. I'm having email issues (again!).
>
> Sorry to SPAM the list. 73, Jim KO5V
> ______________________________________________________________

From gordon.lapoint at gmail.com  Sat Nov 23 11:43:25 2019
From: gordon.lapoint at gmail.com (Gordon LaPoint)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 11:43:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KRC2 config program and Win 10?
Message-ID: <1ca94ac4-7dac-f1f1-bea6-d53553bde287@gmail.com>

I can not get the KRC2 configuration program to work on win 10, it keeps 
saying that mscomctl.ocx is missing.?? I downloaded and registered the 
ocx file and still get the same error.? What is the secret to getting 
this to work?

Thanks,

Gordon - N1MGO


From oz6abm at qsl.net  Sat Nov 23 13:59:41 2019
From: oz6abm at qsl.net (oz6abm at qsl.net)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 19:59:41 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] XFIL on K3
Message-ID: <000001d5a230$29b14130$7d13c390$@qsl.net>

Hi,

 

I have some questions regarding XFIL on the K3.

 

When I look at the display it does not display FL1, and using XFIL tracks through FL2, FL3 and FL4, but never Fl1 ?.

In the menu I see FL2 BW, FL2 FRQ, FL2 GN, FL2 ON, but nothing for FL1, FL3 and FL4 ?

Also, when I hold XFIL button down, on say FL2, it says N/A, and it does this for FL3 and FL4 too.

I read that manually adjusting the bandwidth  and Lo and Hi cuts on the front panel will cause the appropriate FL to be used. However the display sticks on FL2 ?

 

I would really appreciate some help trying to understand this.

 

73

Robin

5P5R/OZ6ABN


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Nov 23 14:37:05 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 14:37:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] XFIL on K3
In-Reply-To: <000001d5a230$29b14130$7d13c390$@qsl.net>
References: <000001d5a230$29b14130$7d13c390$@qsl.net>
Message-ID: <c05d11bc-70e9-8736-96a4-8eb95295e606@embarqmail.com>

Robin,

It will work like yours does if you only have one filter configured and 
that filter is in the filter 2 location.  If there is only one filter, 
it must be either the 2.7 or 2.8 kHz width filter.

If you don't know which filters are installed, you will have to 
physically examine them (remove the top cover), determine their width 
and their offsets (if any) and which filter slot they are installed.  If 
you have the subRX installed, you will have to remove it to see the 
filters on the main board, and also lift the cover on the SubRX assembly 
to determine which filters are installed there.

There may be a sticker on the inside of the top cover showing which 
filters are installed in the Main and with the SubRX installed, there 
may be a similar sticker on the top of the subRX cover.

Once you know the filters, you can use either the menu or (easier) K3 
Utility to configure the filters.

With the filters properly configured, yes the selected filter will 
change automatically  as you adjust the width control (or HI CUT and LO 
CUT).  Alternately, you can manually select the filters with the XFIL 
button.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/23/2019 1:59 PM, oz6abm at qsl.net wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>   
> 
> I have some questions regarding XFIL on the K3.
> 
>   
> 
> When I look at the display it does not display FL1, and using XFIL tracks through FL2, FL3 and FL4, but never Fl1 ?.
> 
> In the menu I see FL2 BW, FL2 FRQ, FL2 GN, FL2 ON, but nothing for FL1, FL3 and FL4 ?
> 
> Also, when I hold XFIL button down, on say FL2, it says N/A, and it does this for FL3 and FL4 too.
> 
> I read that manually adjusting the bandwidth  and Lo and Hi cuts on the front panel will cause the appropriate FL to be used. However the display sticks on FL2 ?

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sat Nov 23 15:18:29 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 15:18:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] XFIL on K3
In-Reply-To: <c05d11bc-70e9-8736-96a4-8eb95295e606@embarqmail.com>
References: <c05d11bc-70e9-8736-96a4-8eb95295e606@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <903A72DB-574C-4B63-A192-4296F62B3901@widomaker.com>

Don?t forget, filters must be installed in descending bandwidth. The 13KHz filter (if installed) must be in slot 1 I believe. Right, Don?  

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Nov 23, 2019, at 2:39 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Robin,
> 
> It will work like yours does if you only have one filter configured and that filter is in the filter 2 location.  If there is only one filter, it must be either the 2.7 or 2.8 kHz width filter.
> 
> If you don't know which filters are installed, you will have to physically examine them (remove the top cover), determine their width and their offsets (if any) and which filter slot they are installed.  If you have the subRX installed, you will have to remove it to see the filters on the main board, and also lift the cover on the SubRX assembly to determine which filters are installed there.
> 
> There may be a sticker on the inside of the top cover showing which filters are installed in the Main and with the SubRX installed, there may be a similar sticker on the top of the subRX cover.
> 
> Once you know the filters, you can use either the menu or (easier) K3 Utility to configure the filters.
> 
> With the filters properly configured, yes the selected filter will change automatically  as you adjust the width control (or HI CUT and LO CUT).  Alternately, you can manually select the filters with the XFIL button.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 11/23/2019 1:59 PM, oz6abm at qsl.net wrote:
>> Hi,
>>  I have some questions regarding XFIL on the K3.
>>  When I look at the display it does not display FL1, and using XFIL tracks through FL2, FL3 and FL4, but never Fl1 ?.
>> In the menu I see FL2 BW, FL2 FRQ, FL2 GN, FL2 ON, but nothing for FL1, FL3 and FL4 ?
>> Also, when I hold XFIL button down, on say FL2, it says N/A, and it does this for FL3 and FL4 too.
>> I read that manually adjusting the bandwidth  and Lo and Hi cuts on the front panel will cause the appropriate FL to be used. However the display sticks on FL2 ?
> ______________________________________________________________
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From raysills3 at verizon.net  Sat Nov 23 15:27:04 2019
From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Raymond Sills)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 20:27:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Beta Testers
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I sure hope that one of the beta testers is Don, W3FPR. ? He's done so much for the Elecraft community, and is so widely respected, that he -deserves- to have an early crack at the K4. ?IIRC, he did receive one of the first production units of the KX3, which is my favorite rig.
Of course, I know that neither he nor Wayne will confirm or deny who's getting to put the K4 through it's paces.
73 de RayK2ULRKX3 #211


-----Original Message-----
From: Leroy Buller <lee.buller at gmail.com>
To: elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wed, Nov 20, 2019 10:47 am
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Beta Testers

I assume the K4 is being beta tested by a group of? hand picked ops.? Is
that tfue?? I know they are sworn to secrecy but will there be any
discussion later on as to their observations of the various configurations
of the K4?

Reading the material is fine, but there is nothing better than direct
testimony from a user.? This is NOT a political statement.?

Lee K0WA
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Nov 23 15:52:21 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 15:52:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] XFIL on K3
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Bill,

I have never seen any restrictions like that.? If the filters are 
properly configured, that is all that counts.

It may be a bit confusing though if (say) the filters cycle from FL3 to 
FL1 to FL4 as the bandwidth is narrowed, so mmost are in fact installed 
in descending bandwidth order.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/23/2019 3:18 PM, Nr4c wrote:
> Don?t forget, filters must be installed in descending bandwidth. The 13KHz filter (if installed) must be in slot 1 I believe. Right, Don?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
>> On Nov 23, 2019, at 2:39 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Robin,
>>
>> It will work like yours does if you only have one filter configured and that filter is in the filter 2 location.  If there is only one filter, it must be either the 2.7 or 2.8 kHz width filter.
>>
>> If you don't know which filters are installed, you will have to physically examine them (remove the top cover), determine their width and their offsets (if any) and which filter slot they are installed.  If you have the subRX installed, you will have to remove it to see the filters on the main board, and also lift the cover on the SubRX assembly to determine which filters are installed there.
>>
>> There may be a sticker on the inside of the top cover showing which filters are installed in the Main and with the SubRX installed, there may be a similar sticker on the top of the subRX cover.
>>
>> Once you know the filters, you can use either the menu or (easier) K3 Utility to configure the filters.
>>
>> With the filters properly configured, yes the selected filter will change automatically  as you adjust the width control (or HI CUT and LO CUT).  Alternately, you can manually select the filters with the XFIL button.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>>> On 11/23/2019 1:59 PM, oz6abm at qsl.net wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>   I have some questions regarding XFIL on the K3.
>>>   When I look at the display it does not display FL1, and using XFIL tracks through FL2, FL3 and FL4, but never Fl1 ?.
>>> In the menu I see FL2 BW, FL2 FRQ, FL2 GN, FL2 ON, but nothing for FL1, FL3 and FL4 ?
>>> Also, when I hold XFIL button down, on say FL2, it says N/A, and it does this for FL3 and FL4 too.
>>> I read that manually adjusting the bandwidth  and Lo and Hi cuts on the front panel will cause the appropriate FL to be used. However the display sticks on FL2 ?
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From jdfreed at bellsouth.net  Sat Nov 23 16:12:35 2019
From: jdfreed at bellsouth.net (jdfreed at bellsouth.net)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 15:12:35 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 problem
References: <016801d5a242$bc631910$35294b30$.ref@bellsouth.net>
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I have a KAT-500 at least 4 years old.  I can hear stations without any
antennas connected to it.  I live in Clarksville, TN and I copied  station
in Bradenton, FL 600+ miles away on 14.3 MHZ.  I have had the same thing
happen on 40 meters as well.  Any ideas???

 

KX6F

John Freed


From w4grj at satterfield.org  Sat Nov 23 16:20:01 2019
From: w4grj at satterfield.org (Jack W4GRJ)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 16:20:01 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 problem
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Sounds like you have a great receiver 
Jack
W4GRJ

> On Nov 23, 2019, at 4:14 PM, jdfreed at bellsouth.net wrote:
> 

?I have a KAT-500 at least 4 years old.  I can hear stations without any
antennas connected to it.  I live in Clarksville, TN and I copied  station
in Bradenton, FL 600+ miles away on 14.3 MHZ.  I have had the same thing
happen on 40 meters as well.  Any ideas???



KX6F

John Freed

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From rick.nk7i at gmail.com  Sat Nov 23 16:36:19 2019
From: rick.nk7i at gmail.com (Rick Bates, NK7I)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 13:36:19 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 problem
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Check ALL your coax connections (and quality of coax), making SURE that 
the connectors are properly attached (soldered or crimped) to the wires 
AND that they are securely attached to the mated connector on the KAT500.

A /little/ leakage is normal but unless that station is 40 over 9, you 
shouldn't hear it.

My first guess would be that something failed or came loose.

Rick NK7I


On 11/23/2019 1:20 PM, Jack W4GRJ wrote:
> Sounds like you have a great receiver
> Jack
> W4GRJ
>
>> On Nov 23, 2019, at 4:14 PM, jdfreed at bellsouth.net wrote:
>>
> ?I have a KAT-500 at least 4 years old.  I can hear stations without any
> antennas connected to it.  I live in Clarksville, TN and I copied  station
> in Bradenton, FL 600+ miles away on 14.3 MHZ.  I have had the same thing
> happen on 40 meters as well.  Any ideas???
>
>
>
> KX6F
>
> John Freed
>
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sat Nov 23 17:24:19 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 17:24:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 problem
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Duh?  With no coax connected to it, what connectors should he check?

He?s getting distant stations with no antenna, no stations with antennas connected. 

It?s magic!

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Nov 23, 2019, at 4:38 PM, Rick Bates, NK7I <rick.nk7i at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Check ALL your coax connections (and quality of coax), making SURE that the connectors are properly attached (soldered or crimped) to the wires AND that they are securely attached to the mated connector on the KAT500.
> 
> A /little/ leakage is normal but unless that station is 40 over 9, you shouldn't hear it.
> 
> My first guess would be that something failed or came loose.
> 
> Rick NK7I
> 
> 
>> On 11/23/2019 1:20 PM, Jack W4GRJ wrote:
>> Sounds like you have a great receiver
>> Jack
>> W4GRJ
>> 
>>>> On Nov 23, 2019, at 4:14 PM, jdfreed at bellsouth.net wrote:
>>> 
>> ?I have a KAT-500 at least 4 years old.  I can hear stations without any
>> antennas connected to it.  I live in Clarksville, TN and I copied  station
>> in Bradenton, FL 600+ miles away on 14.3 MHZ.  I have had the same thing
>> happen on 40 meters as well.  Any ideas???
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> KX6F
>> 
>> John Freed
>> 
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Nov 23 17:42:55 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 17:42:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 problem
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References: <016801d5a242$bc631910$35294b30$.ref@bellsouth.net>
	<016801d5a242$bc631910$35294b30$@bellsouth.net>
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John,

It sounds to me like you actually do have some kind of antenna effects 
floating around in your shack.
Pickup from RF on the outside of the coax being conducted to the ground 
plane of the receiver through some "sneak paths".

What happens if you disconnect the receiver from the KAT500?

How close are your antennas to the shack?  Maybe direct pickup by the 
circuits in your receiver is possible.

Do you have all screws in the enclosure for the receiver, amplifier and 
KAT500 installed and secured?

Check the coax between the receiver, amplifier and KAT500 for tightness 
- replace with known good coax jumpers as a test.

Try bonding wires between the receiver enclosure, to the amplifier 
enclosure, and then on to the KAT500.  You can connect the KAT500 end of 
that bonding chain to your shack ground.  That gives a better path than 
grounding each piece of equipment to a single point ground.
Even if you have each piece grounded, try adding the box to box direct 
bonding wires.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/23/2019 4:12 PM, jdfreed at bellsouth.net wrote:
> I have a KAT-500 at least 4 years old.  I can hear stations without any
> antennas connected to it.  I live in Clarksville, TN and I copied  station
> in Bradenton, FL 600+ miles away on 14.3 MHZ.  I have had the same thing
> happen on 40 meters as well.  Any ideas???

From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sat Nov 23 18:10:23 2019
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 14:10:23 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] External 10 Mhz reference level
Message-ID: <201911232310.xANNAStg030300@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>

+4 to +16 dBm (2.5mw to 40mw).  It's stated  on last page of kit 
instructions (I don't have a copy of the current manual as I was a 
beta tester).
but look here: http://www.kl7uw.com/K3EXREF.htm

I use a 10-MHz amplifier with four 10 dBm outputs made by DEMI:
https://www.downeastmicrowave.com/searchresults.asp?Search=10-4&Submit=

I built the kit into my own enclosure.  My OCXO is Russian surplus 
obtained from e-bay for about $45.  I outputs +7 dBm but has strong 
2nd harmonic which the DEMI amp filters out.  I lock two transverters 
in addition to my K3.

+10 dBm would be a good target level for driving the EXREF.  Be sure 
to check CONFIG: REF CAL for blinking asterisk between REF and 
CAL.  That indicates that the radio is under EXREF control.


=========================================

From: Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com>
To: k4to at arrl.net
Cc: Elecraft Refl <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] External 10 Mhz reference level
Message-ID: <9E98B46E-4C39-432E-B9EA-D14139DA508A at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=utf-8

It?s in the K3XREF manual.  +4 to +16 dBm.  Your reference doesn?t 
have enough output.

Grant NQ5T

 > On Nov 21, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Dave Sublette <k4to.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
 >
 > I have a K3s, delivered in January this year.  I am using an external GPS
 > disciplined 10 Mhz reference to the External Ref input on the back.  I
 > cannot find anywhere in the manual what the required level for this input
 > is.  I have -1.1 dBm and it seems to work.  However, once in a while, the
 > K3s frequency shifts down 10 hz, then back to the original frequency, then
 > up 10 hz, then back to original frequency, all in a matter of two t four
 > seconds.   This happens maybe once a week and lasts for a minute or two.  I
 > have never heard it do more than one sequence of  down-back-up-back at
 > time.
 >


73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 


From k4to.dave at gmail.com  Sat Nov 23 18:23:56 2019
From: k4to.dave at gmail.com (Dave Sublette)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 18:23:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] External 10 Mhz reference level
In-Reply-To: <201911232310.xANNAStg030300@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>
References: <201911232310.xANNAStg030300@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <CAKynJKnH6JY-jeuG-mBt84Q-xVvn-OAkeoXcZ8iFg6=kYCrkpw@mail.gmail.com>

Ed, et.al.,

I did get my instructions out for the EXTREF.  I had forgotten that there
were extra  sheets for that.  I use an HP Z3801 through an 8 way splitter
and run the 10 MHz from the garage to the shack, a fifty foot run, on .14
in diameter 75 ohm cable.  I also put a 1:1 isolation transformer in that
line before it left the garage.

By the time it got to the shack, there was only -1.0 dBm left.  So I took
my DEMI 4 output box and tried that.  It wouldn't put out more than +2 dBm
to the K3s.  So, I hacked the circuit board, taking one of the four
circuits and using it as a driver for the other three.  I now get 12.5 dBm
drive to the K3s.  All the asterisks are lit.  All appears to be working as
advertised.

Thanks for all the advice.  It helps to know I am not alone in making these
sorts of decisions.

73,

Dave, K4TO

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Nov 23 19:45:16 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 16:45:16 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 problem
In-Reply-To: <25ae8c1e-cff3-20dd-3058-90acb113f3b3@embarqmail.com>
References: <016801d5a242$bc631910$35294b30$.ref@bellsouth.net>
	<016801d5a242$bc631910$35294b30$@bellsouth.net>
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Message-ID: <5d63195d-b074-9a59-e27b-80d819c05ae5@foothill.net>

If the KAT500 is not bonded to the K3, external to the coax, and the 
combination is not bonded to the building's earth electrode, you DO have 
an antenna on the K3 and are demonstrating that its MDS is impressive.? 
It doesn't take much to make a receiving antenna.? Actually, if you saw 
my HOA-stealth WOOF antenna, you'd realize it doesn't take a lot to 
transmit either. [:=))

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 11/23/2019 2:42 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> John,
>
> It sounds to me like you actually do have some kind of antenna effects 
> floating around in your shack.
> Pickup from RF on the outside of the coax being conducted to the 
> ground plane of the receiver through some "sneak paths".
>
> What happens if you disconnect the receiver from the KAT500?
>
> How close are your antennas to the shack?? Maybe direct pickup by the 
> circuits in your receiver is possible.
>
> Do you have all screws in the enclosure for the receiver, amplifier 
> and KAT500 installed and secured?
>
> Check the coax between the receiver, amplifier and KAT500 for 
> tightness - replace with known good coax jumpers as a test.
>
> Try bonding wires between the receiver enclosure, to the amplifier 
> enclosure, and then on to the KAT500.? You can connect the KAT500 end 
> of that bonding chain to your shack ground.? That gives a better path 
> than grounding each piece of equipment to a single point ground.
> Even if you have each piece grounded, try adding the box to box direct 
> bonding wires.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Nov 23 19:47:30 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 19:47:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Beta Testers
In-Reply-To: <180043212.5652094.1574540824017@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CANys+BXtyA0yrO+n8cfKGyjOVXkxhewy_AOvuadz1VkB-mF5Cg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<180043212.5652094.1574540824017@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7045627b-d2c5-14f7-87dc-e3d8d37a764b@embarqmail.com>

Ray,

Thanks for your wonderful praise and support.

However, at my age, I do not intend to put up the bucks to purchase a 
K4.  My fully loaded K3 and P3 along with my KX3/PX3/KXPA100/KXAT100 
stations along with my fully loaded K2/100 Twins are more than adequate 
for my wants and needs and will remain my 'lifetime stations'.  I know I 
have a limited number of years left in my lifetime and I cherish each 
day even there is no evidence that it will be ending soon, but 
realistically, there will come a time in the future - I hope it is a 
longer time, but I just don't know, but nothing major is apparent at 
this time.

If Elecraft wants to advance me a K4 as a loaner, I would certainly be 
willing to participate fully in that initial field testing.  I believe 
hardware Beta testing is already underway with a small group of targeted 
users, but I have nothing on which to base that assumption.

To clarify, I was not one of the hardware beta testers for the KX3, I 
was the recipient of the first production unit.  I had a local Elecraft 
trade show booth to run here and the decision was to either ship me a 
prototype KX3 or to ship my own KX3 at that time - the decision was to 
ship me my own KX3 (serial # 00020 which matches my K2 and my K3).

I was a Firmware Field Tester for both the K3 and the KX3 - that is a 
bit different than the true Beta testers who evaluate the placement of 
the knobs, viewing angles and things of that nature.  By the time of the 
Firmware Field Test is started, those aspects are already "glued in place".

Yes, I was a Hardware and Firmware Field Tester for the K2 starting back 
in 1998, and I fell in love with Elecraft gear during that hardware 
build.  There were many others involved in that K2 Field Test that 
became close friends and associates, Tom Hammond N0SS (SK) in 
particular, but others who are now SK, and I miss many of them.

I have enjoyed a close relationship with Elecraft since the beginning 
back in 1998, and have been a part time employee from 2004 until mid 
February this year when I decided it was time to retire for my 3rd and 
final time.

So now you have my complete Elecraft history along with some nostalgia 
added.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/23/2019 3:27 PM, Raymond Sills via Elecraft wrote:
> I sure hope that one of the beta testers is Don, W3FPR. ? He's done so much for the Elecraft community, and is so widely respected, that he -deserves- to have an early crack at the K4. ?IIRC, he did receive one of the first production units of the KX3, which is my favorite rig.
> Of course, I know that neither he nor Wayne will confirm or deny who's getting to put the K4 through it's paces.
> 73 de RayK2ULRKX3 #211

From jim at rhodesend.net  Sat Nov 23 20:02:36 2019
From: jim at rhodesend.net (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 19:02:36 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 problem
In-Reply-To: <5d63195d-b074-9a59-e27b-80d819c05ae5@foothill.net>
References: <016801d5a242$bc631910$35294b30$.ref@bellsouth.net>
	<016801d5a242$bc631910$35294b30$@bellsouth.net>
	<25ae8c1e-cff3-20dd-3058-90acb113f3b3@embarqmail.com>
	<5d63195d-b074-9a59-e27b-80d819c05ae5@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4aq6-NK5j9BcXKo-pEiZmy=CA+ALU_AdN7zHHxOGp93uQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have worked DX on a cantenna and a TR-4. It was setting on the workbench
in the back of the room when we were doing a multi-single in the 10 meter
contest many years ago. The radio was turned on as someone had been messing
around with it. I walked past and heard an HK call from the speaker. The
main radio was working a European pileup so yelled for them to hold up for
a second and gave him a call, got an answer right back and we put him in
the log. Of course at that time you could work the world on 10 with a wet
shoelace.

Jim Rhodes
K0XU

From rick.nk7i at gmail.com  Sat Nov 23 21:02:42 2019
From: rick.nk7i at gmail.com (Rick NK7I)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 18:02:42 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 problem
In-Reply-To: <0CB64662-E546-4BD4-8BF3-5C2BFDC6954F@widomaker.com>
References: <0CB64662-E546-4BD4-8BF3-5C2BFDC6954F@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <BA0406F0-85C4-4466-89AD-4AEF02D08198@gmail.com>

Smart mouthed answers are not required, least of all here in this group.   You know better Bill. 

He has at least one coax running from the radio to the KAT500, plus there may be other coax and/or switches attached in that path. 

All should be checked.  No magic involved in that. 

If he continues to get a signal with coax removed from his radio, the points to an issue at the radio. 

73,
Rick NK7I

Smell Czech corruptions are inevitable

> On Nov 23, 2019, at 2:24 PM, Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Duh?  With no coax connected to it, what connectors should he check?
> 
> He?s getting distant stations with no antenna, no stations with antennas connected. 
> 
> It?s magic!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On Nov 23, 2019, at 4:38 PM, Rick Bates, NK7I <rick.nk7i at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Check ALL your coax connections (and quality of coax), making SURE that the connectors are properly attached (soldered or crimped) to the wires AND that they are securely attached to the mated connector on the KAT500.
>> 
>> A /little/ leakage is normal but unless that station is 40 over 9, you shouldn't hear it.
>> 
>> My first guess would be that something failed or came loose.
>> 
>> Rick NK7I
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 11/23/2019 1:20 PM, Jack W4GRJ wrote:
>>> Sounds like you have a great receiver
>>> Jack
>>> W4GRJ
>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 23, 2019, at 4:14 PM, jdfreed at bellsouth.net wrote:
>>>> 
>>> ?I have a KAT-500 at least 4 years old.  I can hear stations without any
>>> antennas connected to it.  I live in Clarksville, TN and I copied  station
>>> in Bradenton, FL 600+ miles away on 14.3 MHZ.  I have had the same thing
>>> happen on 40 meters as well.  Any ideas???
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> KX6F
>>> 
>>> John Freed
>>> 
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sat Nov 23 22:46:46 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 19:46:46 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <bb6f9e59-92bd-6a0c-2304-9144c42ac745@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? The loggers have moved off to the west.? The beeping is deadened by 
the distance and by the dense fog.? I am also getting used to the floor 
vibrating.? Many truck loads of wood have driven off to Mist.? Some of 
the trees have not really grown in twenty years; it was hard to count 
the rings.? Once the forest floor recovers the remaining trees are going 
to grow like crazy.

 ?? I expect twenty meters will be much like last week but forty meters 
concerns me.? Local sunset is at 4:34 PM, six minutes earlier than last 
week.? Propagation will change rapidly during the net.? It will help if 
I don't ramble on so I will attempt a more strict net protocol :)? 
However, please comment on whatever you wish, don't feel shy.? There may 
be a few folks I cannot hear, any help copying them is appreciated.

Please join us tomorrow on:

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday? (2 PM PST Sunday)
 ?7047 kHz at 0000z Monday? (4 PM PST Sunday)

73,

 ?? Kevin. KD5ONS

-


From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sun Nov 24 01:43:38 2019
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 08:43:38 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 problem
In-Reply-To: <CALhxr4aq6-NK5j9BcXKo-pEiZmy=CA+ALU_AdN7zHHxOGp93uQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <016801d5a242$bc631910$35294b30$.ref@bellsouth.net>
	<016801d5a242$bc631910$35294b30$@bellsouth.net>
	<25ae8c1e-cff3-20dd-3058-90acb113f3b3@embarqmail.com>
	<5d63195d-b074-9a59-e27b-80d819c05ae5@foothill.net>
	<CALhxr4aq6-NK5j9BcXKo-pEiZmy=CA+ALU_AdN7zHHxOGp93uQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <34ff05f4-518d-d551-c036-9262ac210ad8@gmail.com>

Great story!
I worked a station in the USA last night on 40m with 5w. I had just 
adjusted my antenna tuner (yes, I know, but it is impossible to find a 
totally clear spot during CQWW), and I forgot to restore normal power 
and turn on my amp. I wonder if he noticed the difference when I came 
back with my exchange at 1300w.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
On 24/11/2019 3:02, Jim Rhodes wrote:
> I have worked DX on a cantenna and a TR-4. It was setting on the workbench
> in the back of the room when we were doing a multi-single in the 10 meter
> contest many years ago. The radio was turned on as someone had been messing
> around with it. I walked past and heard an HK call from the speaker. The
> main radio was working a European pileup so yelled for them to hold up for
> a second and gave him a call, got an answer right back and we put him in
> the log. Of course at that time you could work the world on 10 with a wet
> shoelace.
> 
> Jim Rhodes
> K0XU

From a.durbin at msn.com  Sun Nov 24 12:52:41 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 17:52:41 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 problem
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB296895A4B265F24F4048C8388C4B0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

KAT500 antenna port isolation is not impressive, at least not after using an Alpha Delta 4 port switch.  I have ANT-3 port connected to an Alpha Delta switch that selects either my dummy load or a back yard antenna.  The other KAT500 ports are connected to a 40 m dipole and my SteppIR.

Several times I have not realized I was still selected to the dummy load as I was receiving so many stations.  Not worked anyone in that configuration yet though.

It doesn't surprise me a bit that some sneak path could bring a signal in through the KAT500 with no antenna connected to an ANT port.  One of my wish list station improvements is to have a remote controlled antenna switch that has more ports than I have antennas.

Andy, k3wyc

From w4my at reagan.com  Sun Nov 24 13:09:38 2019
From: w4my at reagan.com (Marty)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 13:09:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] LED/LCD Monitor?
Message-ID: <AF5E97D0-F1FB-40B8-827A-2733DE15C982@reagan.com>

In anticipation of my K4D I?d like to put an accompanying monitor on my Christmas list.  What I need to know is if anyone has a suggestion or experience as to brand/model that plays well in an RF environment not producing or being susceptible to noise.    

Thanks

73 Marty / W4MY

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Nov 24 13:52:06 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 13:52:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] XFIL on K3
In-Reply-To: <000d01d5a2ce$067f33e0$137d9ba0$@elecraft.com>
References: <c05d11bc-70e9-8736-96a4-8eb95295e606@embarqmail.com>
	<903A72DB-574C-4B63-A192-4296F62B3901@widomaker.com>
	<bbcecbd7-e501-1c54-455c-cacbb1a2e69a@embarqmail.com>
	<000d01d5a2ce$067f33e0$137d9ba0$@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1778fc59-505e-df05-5cd5-aba20c8591d1@embarqmail.com>

My apologies for my note yesterday on this subject, it was incorrect.

I have just been informed by one of the Elecraft engineers that I erred 
in my statement that the K3 filters could be in any order, so Bill was 
right.
See Dick's comments to me below.? I did not see that note in my early K3 
manual which does state that the filters can be installed in any order - 
I did not read the remainder of the note.

Also note that if you have the 13kHz? filter, it must be in the FL1 slot.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/24/2019 8:49 AM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:
> Don, FYI:
>
> K3/K3S crystal filters should always be installed in descending width order. See K3S owner's manual, "rule #2" near the bottom of page 85. The second example shows FL1 empty. There is a similar discussion near the top of page 7 of the K3 "Installing Crystal IF Filters" document and the bottom of page 77 of the K3 owner's manual.
>
> The FM transmit filter is hard-coded as FL1. So if you need FM transmit, a 13 kHz FM filter has to be in FL1.
>
> 73 de Dick, K6KR
>
>


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Nov 24 14:59:06 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 11:59:06 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] LED/LCD Monitor?
In-Reply-To: <AF5E97D0-F1FB-40B8-827A-2733DE15C982@reagan.com>
References: <AF5E97D0-F1FB-40B8-827A-2733DE15C982@reagan.com>
Message-ID: <0f5d90c2-b500-246d-5353-96d81f232392@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 11/24/2019 10:09 AM, Marty via Elecraft wrote:
>   What I need to know is if anyone has a suggestion or experience as to brand/model that plays well in an RF environment not producing or being susceptible to noise.

The most common source of RF noise from video monitors is the 
switch-mode power supply that virtually all of them use. A good way to 
avoid that noise is to buy a monitor where the power supply is an 
external wall wart that can 1) be replaced a vintage linear power supply 
or 2) run from the 12-14VDC system in the shack.

I have had success with this approach with a few 23-24-in Samsung models 
that run from 14VDC. Larger and fancier models run from higher DC 
voltages, for which linear DC power supplies are much harder to find.

Some noise may also be generated by the monitors themselves, which can 
be suppressed by winding video and power cables through #31 Fair-Rite 
cores.

The only monitor I've seen that was had trouble with high power RF was a 
Samsung model that used touch-screen controls. It went nuts when I 
transmitted on a nearby antenna. It was given to me by another ham who 
had the same problem.

73, Jim K9YC

From alan at wilcoxengineering.com  Sun Nov 24 15:03:01 2019
From: alan at wilcoxengineering.com (Alan D. Wilcox)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 15:03:01 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Legacy K2 Tuneup, Rescue, Build Services
Message-ID: <23472F55-9B29-486C-9662-C72FA13097FA@wilcoxengineering.com>

Hello,

Does your K2 need repair? Tuneup?
Want to sell it, but it needs some attention before offering it for sale? 

In addition to tuning your rig, I can also rescue a building project you might have started some time ago.

See what my clients have said about my construction and service work at 
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6768 

Photos of the popular "Twins" -- the KPA100 and KAT100 in EC2 enclosure --  are at
https://wilcoxengineering.com/kpa100-in-ec2/ 

Cheers,
Alan

Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX (K2-5373, K3-40)
570-916-9590 (cell, text)
http://amazon.com/author/alandwilcox
Williamsport, PA 17701


From kd4iz at frawg.org  Sun Nov 24 16:05:38 2019
From: kd4iz at frawg.org (kd4iz at frawg.org)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 16:05:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500/KAT500 remote utility apps
Message-ID: <010c01d5a30a$ef8bba90$cea32fb0$@frawg.org>

Wayne and Eric,

Is there a possibility of creating/enabling a window position and size save function in a future revision of these two remote control apps. They works very well, but pop up in dead center of my "Screen 1" display on any fresh start. I use "Screen 2" for radio apps have not been able to figure a way to make them stay or return to  where I want them.

That small addition would be a big plus and should be a straight forward mod. Thanks for adding it to a "for consideration" list!

KD4IZ
Jack Spitznagel
FM19oo
One very happy KPA500/KAT500/T1 owner...

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 11:46
To: DAVID INGEBRIGHT <daveingeb at comcast.net>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Disparity between KPA500 remote utility downloads

Hi Dave,

These are two different programs. The first one you show in the jpg, with less color, is the KPA500 utility, which is primarily designed for downloading code to the 1500 and reading back status etc in real time. It also has very basic remote control.

The KPA500 Utility is downloaded from
https://elecraft.com/pages/firmware-software
under the 'Amplifier Firmware and Software' tab.


The second 'more colorful' program you show on your webpage is the KPA500 Remote . It is the full featured remote control program for the KP500.

The KPA500 Remote Software is downloaded from the same https://elecraft.com/pages/firmware-software
page under the  'Logging and Control Software for the K-Line and KX-Line'  tab.

Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 11/19/2019 7:28 AM, DAVID INGEBRIGHT wrote:
> Attaching a couple of screenshots of two different KPA500 remote operating screens, a plain one and a great one. I want to download the great one into my l#2 win7 PC and cannot seem to get the one I want. Are there two KPA500 remote utilities?
> This is what I get upon downloading the KPA500 utility today..., a stripped down gray and white panel showing the essentials of the amplifier parameters:
> http://www.valhallatreefarm.com/WB7ELY/kpa500/kpa500A.jpg
> A month ago I downloaded  (what I thought was the same utility) and I got this nice color, animated, easy to use remote screen.
> http://www.valhallatreefarm.com/WB7ELY/kpa500/kpa500.htm
> These were downloaded from the Electraft K line utility and firmware download page. Could someone shed some light on this?
> Thanks
> //Dave WB7ELY
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sun Nov 24 17:02:18 2019
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 13:02:18 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 problem
Message-ID: <201911242202.xAOM2Lwx014391@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>

Something is acting as an antenna.  I made several hundred mile 
contacts with a 100w light bulb "dummy load" on 40m in the 1950's.
Might be ground system is working as antenna or radio as found 
connection via other equipment.

Be interesting to find out what you discover.

73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 


From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sun Nov 24 19:56:38 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 19:56:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] XFIL on K3
In-Reply-To: <1778fc59-505e-df05-5cd5-aba20c8591d1@embarqmail.com>
References: <1778fc59-505e-df05-5cd5-aba20c8591d1@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <DEDFA90A-2970-451A-AE6B-275FF1F5444B@widomaker.com>

Don, no apology necessary. But this is one item I was cautioned about before I purchased. 

I didn?t see your response until after Dick had responded. I?d have been confused!

I?ve  ewww had my K3 now for ten years and a local guru. But I can close my eyes and Stan at any page in the manual and find something I don?t know/understand. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Nov 24, 2019, at 1:54 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?My apologies for my note yesterday on this subject, it was incorrect.
> 
> I have just been informed by one of the Elecraft engineers that I erred in my statement that the K3 filters could be in any order, so Bill was right.
> See Dick's comments to me below.  I did not see that note in my early K3 manual which does state that the filters can be installed in any order - I did not read the remainder of the note.
> 
> Also note that if you have the 13kHz  filter, it must be in the FL1 slot.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 11/24/2019 8:49 AM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:
>> Don, FYI:
>> 
>> K3/K3S crystal filters should always be installed in descending width order. See K3S owner's manual, "rule #2" near the bottom of page 85. The second example shows FL1 empty. There is a similar discussion near the top of page 7 of the K3 "Installing Crystal IF Filters" document and the bottom of page 77 of the K3 owner's manual.
>> 
>> The FM transmit filter is hard-coded as FL1. So if you need FM transmit, a 13 kHz FM filter has to be in FL1.
>> 
>> 73 de Dick, K6KR
>> 
>> 
> 
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Nov 24 23:41:24 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 20:41:24 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <d6523203-dd7c-05df-e56f-03e88711c381@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? I could not find an open space to run the twenty meter net. The 
forty meter net started when the CQWW contest faded away. There was QSB 
on everyone I worked.? Those farther east had slow waves.? KG7V is just 
across the Columbia River from me (and a little up the coast) had a fast 
flutter from S2 to S5.? K1SW was able to check in again with his KX2 
running 12 watts.? S0 to S3 but with repeats I got more information.? 
W0CZ had a strong signal but could not hear me.? His S5 to S7 signal was 
easy copy.


 ? On 7047.5 kHz at 0000z:

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

K6PJV - Dale - CA

W6JHB - Jim - CA

KG7V - Marv - WA

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K1SW - Dick - CT


 ?? I lost the use of my keyboard a little earlier today.? After two 
keyboard changes and a few reboots I determined the hardware was most 
likely not the culprit.? As I was switching keyboards I held down a key 
and a few characters appeared.? Very slowly.? So I queried the Ubuntu 
site and found 'slow keys'.? I dove into the settings and turned it 
off.? Seems you can turn on this feature if you hold the shift key down 
too long.? You learn something new each day.? But for a while it was 
like Bach's "Rage Over the Lost Penny".


 ?? Until next week stay well,

 ?????? Kevin.? KD5ONS


-


From lists at w2irt.net  Sun Nov 24 23:56:15 2019
From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 23:56:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Unexpected K-POD frequency excursions
Message-ID: <281201d5a34c$ab09b600$011d2200$@w2irt.net>

Hi all,
In CQWW this weekend I ran across a problem that's been plaguing me in
previous contests too. With the K-pod connected to the radio (K3s) using the
supplied cable I'm finding that the main VFO QSYs down about 100-200 Hz on a
random basis. I tried loading the flat cable up with Mix 31 ferrites to no
effect. I haven't thoroughly tested this on all bands, but it definitely
occurred on 20 through 160. It was not a regular occurrence; maybe every 2-3
minutes it would happen. When I engage the VFO lock on the front panel of
the radio it stops doing it.

I has also been know to shut the radio off once every few days when I touch
the K-pod, which I'm attributing to static electricity. While I love the
functionality of my K-pod, I had to take it offline due to the frequency
excursions. I'd like to get a fix for this if at all possible. Suggestions?

 


---------------------------------------------
73 and Good DX
Peter, W2IRT



President, North Jersey DX Association

DXCC Card Checker
Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau

 


From ab2e at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 25 00:14:57 2019
From: ab2e at hotmail.com (AB2E Darrell)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 05:14:57 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Unexpected K-POD frequency excursions
In-Reply-To: <281201d5a34c$ab09b600$011d2200$@w2irt.net>
References: <281201d5a34c$ab09b600$011d2200$@w2irt.net>
Message-ID: <YTOPR0101MB1225A30DE19B561F251B8A309B4A0@YTOPR0101MB1225.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Peter,
Just an idea. Does the ipod generate a virtual serial port?
Do you have a bluetooth mouse?

Not quite my setup but I've recently had trouble with a usb serial cable randomly interacting with the Microsoft bluetooth mouse and the serial cable becomes intermittent. The mouse jumps randomly but also makes the serial cable behave strangely. I'm wondering  if a similar thing is occurring to you. My solution was to uninstall the mouse from device manager, shut down and restart...win10 pro installs a fresh driver for the mouse.

73 Darrell
________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Peter Dougherty <lists at w2irt.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 11:56:15 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Unexpected K-POD frequency excursions

Hi all,
In CQWW this weekend I ran across a problem that's been plaguing me in
previous contests too. With the K-pod connected to the radio (K3s) using the
supplied cable I'm finding that the main VFO QSYs down about 100-200 Hz on a
random basis. I tried loading the flat cable up with Mix 31 ferrites to no
effect. I haven't thoroughly tested this on all bands, but it definitely
occurred on 20 through 160. It was not a regular occurrence; maybe every 2-3
minutes it would happen. When I engage the VFO lock on the front panel of
the radio it stops doing it.

I has also been know to shut the radio off once every few days when I touch
the K-pod, which I'm attributing to static electricity. While I love the
functionality of my K-pod, I had to take it offline due to the frequency
excursions. I'd like to get a fix for this if at all possible. Suggestions?




---------------------------------------------
73 and Good DX
Peter, W2IRT



President, North Jersey DX Association

DXCC Card Checker
Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau



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From lists at w2irt.net  Mon Nov 25 01:28:35 2019
From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 01:28:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Unexpected K-POD frequency excursions
In-Reply-To: <YTOPR0101MB1225A30DE19B561F251B8A309B4A0@YTOPR0101MB1225.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <281201d5a34c$ab09b600$011d2200$@w2irt.net>
	<YTOPR0101MB1225A30DE19B561F251B8A309B4A0@YTOPR0101MB1225.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <288501d5a359$91766550$b4632ff0$@w2irt.net>

Nope, the K-pod connects directly to the K3s via an 8-pin flat cable,
terminated with RJ-45 connectors. The mouse is a USB wired mouse.



- pjd

 

From: AB2E Darrell <ab2e at hotmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 12:15 AM
To: Peter Dougherty <lists at w2irt.net>; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Unexpected K-POD frequency excursions

 

Hi Peter,
Just an idea. Does the ipod generate a virtual serial port?
Do you have a bluetooth mouse?

Not quite my setup but I've recently had trouble with a usb serial cable
randomly interacting with the Microsoft bluetooth mouse and the serial cable
becomes intermittent. The mouse jumps randomly but also makes the serial
cable behave strangely. I'm wondering  if a similar thing is occurring to
you. My solution was to uninstall the mouse from device manager, shut down
and restart...win10 pro installs a fresh driver for the mouse. 

73 Darrell 

  _____  

From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
<mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
<elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Peter Dougherty
<lists at w2irt.net <mailto:lists at w2irt.net> >
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 11:56:15 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
<Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> >
Subject: [Elecraft] Unexpected K-POD frequency excursions 

 

Hi all,
In CQWW this weekend I ran across a problem that's been plaguing me in
previous contests too. With the K-pod connected to the radio (K3s) using the
supplied cable I'm finding that the main VFO QSYs down about 100-200 Hz on a
random basis. I tried loading the flat cable up with Mix 31 ferrites to no
effect. I haven't thoroughly tested this on all bands, but it definitely
occurred on 20 through 160. It was not a regular occurrence; maybe every 2-3
minutes it would happen. When I engage the VFO lock on the front panel of
the radio it stops doing it.

I has also been know to shut the radio off once every few days when I touch
the K-pod, which I'm attributing to static electricity. While I love the
functionality of my K-pod, I had to take it offline due to the frequency
excursions. I'd like to get a fix for this if at all possible. Suggestions?

 


---------------------------------------------
73 and Good DX
Peter, W2IRT



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DXCC Card Checker
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From rocketnj at gmail.com  Mon Nov 25 07:15:47 2019
From: rocketnj at gmail.com (rocketnj at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 07:15:47 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Unexpected K-POD frequency excursions
In-Reply-To: <281201d5a34c$ab09b600$011d2200$@w2irt.net>
References: <281201d5a34c$ab09b600$011d2200$@w2irt.net>
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Peter, 

Contact Elecraft support on this issue. Sounds like poor grounding/ESD
protection. They may have a service bulletin to fix the issue.

Dave wo2x


-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Peter Dougherty
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 11:56 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Unexpected K-POD frequency excursions

Hi all,
In CQWW this weekend I ran across a problem that's been plaguing me in
previous contests too. With the K-pod connected to the radio (K3s) using the
supplied cable I'm finding that the main VFO QSYs down about 100-200 Hz on a
random basis. I tried loading the flat cable up with Mix 31 ferrites to no
effect. I haven't thoroughly tested this on all bands, but it definitely
occurred on 20 through 160. It was not a regular occurrence; maybe every 2-3
minutes it would happen. When I engage the VFO lock on the front panel of
the radio it stops doing it.

I has also been know to shut the radio off once every few days when I touch
the K-pod, which I'm attributing to static electricity. While I love the
functionality of my K-pod, I had to take it offline due to the frequency
excursions. I'd like to get a fix for this if at all possible. Suggestions?

 


---------------------------------------------
73 and Good DX
Peter, W2IRT



President, North Jersey DX Association

DXCC Card Checker
Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau

 

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From jamesforsman at me.com  Mon Nov 25 08:14:58 2019
From: jamesforsman at me.com (jrquark)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 08:14:58 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
In-Reply-To: <d6523203-dd7c-05df-e56f-03e88711c381@coho.net>
References: <d6523203-dd7c-05df-e56f-03e88711c381@coho.net>
Message-ID: <ADCA09A0-4E82-469B-BCB8-CF2D99BC7A84@me.com>

Or, perhaps, Beethoven? Schindler?

James Forsman. K7BIE

https://jrquark.smugmug.com/HamRadio



On Nov 24, 2019, at 11:41 PM, kevinr <kevinr at coho.net> wrote:

Good Evening,

   I could not find an open space to run the twenty meter net. The forty meter net started when the CQWW contest faded away. There was QSB on everyone I worked.  Those farther east had slow waves.  KG7V is just across the Columbia River from me (and a little up the coast) had a fast flutter from S2 to S5.  K1SW was able to check in again with his KX2 running 12 watts.  S0 to S3 but with repeats I got more information.  W0CZ had a strong signal but could not hear me.  His S5 to S7 signal was easy copy.


  On 7047.5 kHz at 0000z:

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

K6PJV - Dale - CA

W6JHB - Jim - CA

KG7V - Marv - WA

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K1SW - Dick - CT


   I lost the use of my keyboard a little earlier today.  After two keyboard changes and a few reboots I determined the hardware was most likely not the culprit.  As I was switching keyboards I held down a key and a few characters appeared.  Very slowly.  So I queried the Ubuntu site and found 'slow keys'.  I dove into the settings and turned it off.  Seems you can turn on this feature if you hold the shift key down too long.  You learn something new each day.  But for a while it was like Bach's "Rage Over the Lost Penny".


   Until next week stay well,

       Kevin.  KD5ONS


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From glcazzola at alice.it  Mon Nov 25 08:30:24 2019
From: glcazzola at alice.it (IK4EWX)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 06:30:24 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Ris: Elecraft web site off? TO DON WILHELM AND ERIC
	SCHWARTZ
In-Reply-To: <5DD63D02002B1E57@smtp201.alice.it>
References: <5DD63D02002B1E57@smtp201.alice.it>
Message-ID: <1574688624011-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Don, and all the friends that answered, it is really a strange thing.
Other italian hams friend of mine tried to connect Elecraft web site and all
were unable to connect it. 
We have different internet providers, we all are unable to connect it.
I even changed the DNS (8.8.8.8...)on pc, but this not the problem.
Don, you worked with Elecraft, can you say this thing to Elecraft people?
Thanks es 73,
Ian IK4EWX



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From hs0zed at gmail.com  Mon Nov 25 08:52:18 2019
From: hs0zed at gmail.com (Martin Sole)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 20:52:18 +0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Ris: Elecraft web site off? TO DON WILHELM AND ERIC
 SCHWARTZ
In-Reply-To: <1574688624011-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <5DD63D02002B1E57@smtp201.alice.it>
	<1574688624011-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <991a0c82-0e8c-06bf-6813-be8599183485@gmail.com>

Might be a useful data point, maybe not. I just used my vpn to connect 
to servers in Italy. One in Milan another in Cosenza. Both were able to 
reach the Elecraft website without difficulty.


On 25/11/2019 20:30, IK4EWX wrote:
> Don, and all the friends that answered, it is really a strange thing.
> Other italian hams friend of mine tried to connect Elecraft web site and all
> were unable to connect it.
> We have different internet providers, we all are unable to connect it.
> I even changed the DNS (8.8.8.8...)on pc, but this not the problem.
> Don, you worked with Elecraft, can you say this thing to Elecraft people?
> Thanks es 73,
> Ian IK4EWX
>
>
>
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From ik6qon at gmail.com  Mon Nov 25 08:53:24 2019
From: ik6qon at gmail.com (IK6QON Francesco)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 14:53:24 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Ris: Elecraft web site off? TO DON WILHELM AND ERIC
	SCHWARTZ
In-Reply-To: <1574688624011-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <5DD63D02002B1E57@smtp201.alice.it>
	<1574688624011-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAKgsuD7bOS2N23T7LX1DsYWLNXFMi3XhkjKDiMSOK8dsu9q79A@mail.gmail.com>

Same story here in L'Aquila.


Il giorno lun 25 nov 2019 alle ore 14:31 IK4EWX <glcazzola at alice.it> ha
scritto:

> Don, and all the friends that answered, it is really a strange thing.
> Other italian hams friend of mine tried to connect Elecraft web site and
> all
> were unable to connect it.
> We have different internet providers, we all are unable to connect it.
> I even changed the DNS (8.8.8.8...)on pc, but this not the problem.
> Don, you worked with Elecraft, can you say this thing to Elecraft people?
> Thanks es 73,
> Ian IK4EWX
>
>
>
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From n1rj at roadrunner.com  Mon Nov 25 09:51:36 2019
From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 09:51:36 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Drive Levels and the SPE 1.3K-FA
In-Reply-To: <b32855f1-da07-2495-d631-c6a50e71d88e@blomand.net>
References: <F49854C7-C1B1-4C26-9E0B-F1A9D410BBE6@gmail.com>
	<26DFABD3-F8C6-419A-A293-8598C64F9216@blomand.net>
	<8E5FB14E-2DCB-4FDC-96C1-7DEB68B5004C@illinois.edu>
	<b32855f1-da07-2495-d631-c6a50e71d88e@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <6cfc4cad-f64f-79b6-4653-eb2a0b590fe7@roadrunner.com>

I purchased one of these amps about two years ago. I expected it to require
50 to 60 watts of drive for full output but it only took half that. I was
worried about screwing up and hitting it with 100 watts from the K3 and
blowing the final transistor. I knew there was a pad on the input and I
figured it would be fairly simple to increase the attenuation 2 db or so.
I pulled the covers off the amp and discovered that there were 2 pads on
the input! The first was TO-220 style resistors mounted to a chassis rail
and the second was conventional wire-wound resistors mounted on the PA
circuit board. Replacing the TO-220 resistors looked like it would involve
quite a bit of disassembly and probably would void the warranty. Tack soldering
some resistors on the second pad to increase the attenuation would be much
easier and could be easily removed if it had to go back for service. Problem
solved, right? Nope. I discovered that the amp senses drive power after the
first pad. This meant the amp kept tripping off with overdrive warnings! I
contacted the factory to see if there was an adjustment I could make and was
told it would have to come back for "realignment"!

I now have a KPA1500!

73, Roger



From wunder at wunderwood.org  Mon Nov 25 10:41:11 2019
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 07:41:11 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Ris: Elecraft web site off? TO DON WILHELM AND ERIC
 SCHWARTZ
In-Reply-To: <CAKgsuD7bOS2N23T7LX1DsYWLNXFMi3XhkjKDiMSOK8dsu9q79A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5DD63D02002B1E57@smtp201.alice.it>
	<1574688624011-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<CAKgsuD7bOS2N23T7LX1DsYWLNXFMi3XhkjKDiMSOK8dsu9q79A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6491BABE-A30D-4D71-B1B7-A65BA538EC24@wunderwood.org>

This site is a handy way to check if a site is down for everyone or just for you.

https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/elecraft.com

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Nov 25, 2019, at 5:53 AM, IK6QON Francesco <ik6qon at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Same story here in L'Aquila.
> 
> 
> Il giorno lun 25 nov 2019 alle ore 14:31 IK4EWX <glcazzola at alice.it> ha
> scritto:
> 
>> Don, and all the friends that answered, it is really a strange thing.
>> Other italian hams friend of mine tried to connect Elecraft web site and
>> all
>> were unable to connect it.
>> We have different internet providers, we all are unable to connect it.
>> I even changed the DNS (8.8.8.8...)on pc, but this not the problem.
>> Don, you worked with Elecraft, can you say this thing to Elecraft people?
>> Thanks es 73,
>> Ian IK4EWX
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 25 11:23:39 2019
From: norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com (Eric Norris)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 08:23:39 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Drive Levels
In-Reply-To: <F49854C7-C1B1-4C26-9E0B-F1A9D410BBE6@gmail.com>
References: <F49854C7-C1B1-4C26-9E0B-F1A9D410BBE6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJSJeL1BtG+OGtpzJKvgz1e4d0j8Eqs_LgoGnQQmfRanxWmZ8w@mail.gmail.com>

I noticed the LPA was getting quite hot when running wspr at 5w for days at
time--even with 15% tx cycle.  My workaround is a six-inch computer fan set
vertical on the right side of the k3, blowing quiet air on the right side
and bottom of the k3.  It seems to work.  I also have used a tiny 2"
squirrel-cage fan blowing air under the XV144 during high duty-cycle modes
in WSJT.  The five high-volume fans I run on the Henry 2002A, to keep from
blowing tubes, on the other hand, are a freight-train-in-a-shack (TM).

73, Eric WD6DBM


73 Eric WD6DBM

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 7:20 PM Dennis Ashworth <dennisashworth49 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Makes you wonder how K3/10 users fair running high duty cycle modes at
> full output. I?ve replaced two sets of LPF drivers running 10W WSJT on my
> K3/100. No more! Now I advance the power until the amplifier engages
> (~12W). Hopefully this reduces driver dissipation.
>
> Dennis, K7FL
>
>
> > On Nov 21, 2019, at 5:15 PM, dgb <ns9i at bayland.net> wrote:
> >
> > ?Thanks for the good info Keith - I quit using 12w yrs ago as one
> E'craft tech told me after the 1st one blew.
> >
> > Also heard from another that I could turn the fans on all the time which
> should help as normally they are only on when you go to 13w and up.
> >
> > Will play with them - t u 73 Dwight NS9I
> >
> >>> On 11/21/2019 4:04 PM, Keith Trinity WE6R wrote:
> >> You can play with the Config Menu watt meter calibration high and low
> numbers to get the switch-over point different.
> >> IE where the Low power amp (LPA) switches to 100 amp (KPA3). This
> happens at 12W "indicated".
> >> The two Calibration numbers are for all bands!
> >> So; Go into config menu WMTR LP (below 12W) or HP (above 12W). (note 6
> meters switches at 8W)!
> >> Make a note of both numbers so you can put them back!
> >> Extreme numbers to get the KPA3 to click in at lower actual power
> levels would be to set both for 180 (max).
> >> You will have to use an external watt-meter to see what is going on as
> the K3 internal watt-meter readout is all out of calibration now!!
> >> I just played with a radio and it switches over at about 7 watts with
> both numbers at 180
> >> Have fun!
> >> Keith WE6R
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From a.durbin at msn.com  Mon Nov 25 11:31:24 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 16:31:24 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Multiple antennas on one port (KAT500 KPA1500)
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB29685A523C8863F6136F57358C4A0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"With just two antenna ports on the KPA1500, there are only two quickly accessible tuning solutions per frequency if using both ports. If using only one port and an external antenna switch, a common choice in many stations, finding the correct tuning solutions can't be done fast enough to prevent a fault."

The KAT500 remembers the most recent 6 tuning solutions for each frequency "bin".  The saved solution includes the antenna port in use when that solution was stored.  I would guess that the tuner in KPA1500 does the same thing.  This means that the tuner already has enough non volatile memory allocated to cope with more than one antenna on each port.  The problem would be letting the tuner know which antenna is in use on the current port before RF is applied.

If the tuner had the option to tag each tuning solution with antenna port and also external antenna selection, then up to 6 switched antennas could be accommodated on 1 port with little, or no, increase in NVM overhead.   If the external antenna switch provided a position signal then that signal could be provided to the tuner by a new serial command or AUX bus command, or by extension of the existing antenna selection commands.

There would be lots of details to sort out and I suspect it would be easier to store the multiple tuning solutions for different externally selected antennas in a separate controller.  The idea is the same though - if the system knows what what port is in use, and it knows what antenna has been selected on that port, then it can instantly recall and apply the last remembered tuning solution for that switching combination for the current TX frequency.

Andy, k3wyc





















From gt-i at gmx.net  Mon Nov 25 13:04:07 2019
From: gt-i at gmx.net (gt-i at gmx.net)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:04:07 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: KTCXO3
Message-ID: <5b787b43-6296-1d20-3e90-ca184693fa13@gmx.net>

If anbody has a spare KTCXO for the K3 to sell, pse let me know.
Tnx, 73 Gernot, DF5RF


From keith at elecraft.com  Mon Nov 25 17:10:25 2019
From: keith at elecraft.com (Keith Trinity WE6R)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 14:10:25 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] XFIL on K3
In-Reply-To: <000001d5a230$29b14130$7d13c390$@qsl.net>
References: <000001d5a230$29b14130$7d13c390$@qsl.net>
Message-ID: <19797a12-1c15-28b9-09f1-90d211c49b34@elecraft.com>

A hidden feature if you you want to toggle thought ALL filter slots, 
even if they are empty or not selected for the current Mode!
*Go into any config menu starting with FL  (except for FLTX);  (IE "FLx 
BW", or "FLx FRQ" or "FLx GN" or "FLx ON")
Then while in that menu, tap 6/XFIL, and it will got rotate though *ALL* 
the slots.
This is good to see if you have a filter or not in a slot.
Also good to use if you want to use the AM filter on FM if you have 
adjacent channel interference.
Or force a filter on a mode that is not selected.
Keith WE6R

From vk5gr.radio at gmail.com  Mon Nov 25 20:57:02 2019
From: vk5gr.radio at gmail.com (VK5GR)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 18:57:02 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB296857203B9333494B2DC79A8CCF0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <03bcfc73-3cf0-c3ce-46db-8a9b508acbeb@comcast.net>
	<BYAPR16MB2968175BB1D7A6596BCF1DBA8CCC0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB296857203B9333494B2DC79A8CCF0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1574733422794-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Folks,

Has there been any further word on this fault? I have just had the same
thing happen to me and am wondering if it could be the same issue?

Regards,
Grant VK5GR




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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Nov 25 21:12:44 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 20:12:44 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off
In-Reply-To: <1574733422794-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <03bcfc73-3cf0-c3ce-46db-8a9b508acbeb@comcast.net>
	<BYAPR16MB2968175BB1D7A6596BCF1DBA8CCC0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB296857203B9333494B2DC79A8CCF0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<1574733422794-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <721c5753-d25c-d377-eda0-726403d5583b@blomand.net>

What is the value in the menu for FAN CTL??? If at NOR then the fan 
should be off until the temp hits about 50? C.? It will then increment 
up one speed value about every 5 degrees temp increase.?? What is the 
TEMP value showing??? Should be about room temp or 22 to 25 C

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 11/25/2019 7:57 PM, VK5GR wrote:
> Folks,
>
> Has there been any further word on this fault? I have just had the same
> thing happen to me and am wondering if it could be the same issue?
>
> Regards,
> Grant VK5GR
>
>
>
>
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From vk5gr.radio at gmail.com  Mon Nov 25 21:50:54 2019
From: vk5gr.radio at gmail.com (VK5GR)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:50:54 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off
In-Reply-To: <721c5753-d25c-d377-eda0-726403d5583b@blomand.net>
References: <03bcfc73-3cf0-c3ce-46db-8a9b508acbeb@comcast.net>
	<BYAPR16MB2968175BB1D7A6596BCF1DBA8CCC0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB296857203B9333494B2DC79A8CCF0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<1574733422794-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<721c5753-d25c-d377-eda0-726403d5583b@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <1574736654622-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

FAN CTL = NOR

FANs are idle while the amp is turned on - amp ambient temp was 27C at the
time (it was powered up and had been idle for about 20 minutes).

I then turned the amplifier off via the front panel push button. I would
have expected the FANs to start up for about 10 seconds as they discharge
the 60V rail supply but instead the FANs continue to run. the only way to
turn them off is to unplug the amp from the mains supply.

It is definitely a fault condition and not a menu selection.

Thoughts?



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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Nov 25 21:53:49 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 20:53:49 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off
In-Reply-To: <1574736654622-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <03bcfc73-3cf0-c3ce-46db-8a9b508acbeb@comcast.net>
	<BYAPR16MB2968175BB1D7A6596BCF1DBA8CCC0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB296857203B9333494B2DC79A8CCF0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<1574733422794-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<721c5753-d25c-d377-eda0-726403d5583b@blomand.net>
	<1574736654622-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <B2EF60CF-2205-4E71-B507-A4BC760E7C9E@blomand.net>

Does the mains switch on the rear panel shut the fan off?  
I would next reload the firmware. 

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 25, 2019, at 8:50 PM, VK5GR <vk5gr.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> FAN CTL = NOR
> 
> FANs are idle while the amp is turned on - amp ambient temp was 27C at the
> time (it was powered up and had been idle for about 20 minutes).
> 
> I then turned the amplifier off via the front panel push button. I would
> have expected the FANs to start up for about 10 seconds as they discharge
> the 60V rail supply but instead the FANs continue to run. the only way to
> turn them off is to unplug the amp from the mains supply.
> 
> It is definitely a fault condition and not a menu selection.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> 
> 
> --
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From norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 25 22:49:47 2019
From: norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com (Eric Norris)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:49:47 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off
In-Reply-To: <1574736654622-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <03bcfc73-3cf0-c3ce-46db-8a9b508acbeb@comcast.net>
	<BYAPR16MB2968175BB1D7A6596BCF1DBA8CCC0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB296857203B9333494B2DC79A8CCF0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<1574733422794-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<721c5753-d25c-d377-eda0-726403d5583b@blomand.net>
	<1574736654622-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAJSJeL0HmJERT7KaSLyZe_Lw-gMXKH-qpAp-6138dSfkU1_y=w@mail.gmail.com>

Reload the firmware.

73 Eric WD6DBM

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 6:51 PM VK5GR <vk5gr.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> FAN CTL = NOR
>
> FANs are idle while the amp is turned on - amp ambient temp was 27C at the
> time (it was powered up and had been idle for about 20 minutes).
>
> I then turned the amplifier off via the front panel push button. I would
> have expected the FANs to start up for about 10 seconds as they discharge
> the 60V rail supply but instead the FANs continue to run. the only way to
> turn them off is to unplug the amp from the mains supply.
>
> It is definitely a fault condition and not a menu selection.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
> --
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From jackbrindle at me.com  Tue Nov 26 00:07:03 2019
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 21:07:03 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off
In-Reply-To: <CAJSJeL0HmJERT7KaSLyZe_Lw-gMXKH-qpAp-6138dSfkU1_y=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <03bcfc73-3cf0-c3ce-46db-8a9b508acbeb@comcast.net>
	<BYAPR16MB2968175BB1D7A6596BCF1DBA8CCC0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB296857203B9333494B2DC79A8CCF0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<1574733422794-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<721c5753-d25c-d377-eda0-726403d5583b@blomand.net>
	<1574736654622-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<CAJSJeL0HmJERT7KaSLyZe_Lw-gMXKH-qpAp-6138dSfkU1_y=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B8AF6A22-E142-4D05-8BCE-782ACC33BAB3@me.com>

That won?t do any good. The main firmware has shut down at that point. The fan is running because the relay is stuck, which is not something that firmware can fix.

Call tech support.

73!
Jack, W6FB


> On Nov 25, 2019, at 7:49 PM, Eric Norris <norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Reload the firmware.
> 
> 73 Eric WD6DBM
> 
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 6:51 PM VK5GR <vk5gr.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> FAN CTL = NOR
>> 
>> FANs are idle while the amp is turned on - amp ambient temp was 27C at the
>> time (it was powered up and had been idle for about 20 minutes).
>> 
>> I then turned the amplifier off via the front panel push button. I would
>> have expected the FANs to start up for about 10 seconds as they discharge
>> the 60V rail supply but instead the FANs continue to run. the only way to
>> turn them off is to unplug the amp from the mains supply.
>> 
>> It is definitely a fault condition and not a menu selection.
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/
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From hdv at kpnplanet.nl  Tue Nov 26 03:50:56 2019
From: hdv at kpnplanet.nl (hdv)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 09:50:56 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s sub rx protection level
Message-ID: <dd7a398b-1029-11ea-b3d9-005056ab1411@smtp.kpnmail.nl>

Hi allWhen too much rf is present on the AUX input of the K3 sub-rx the protection circuit is activated (relay activates)What is the minimum level in dBm at which this protection is triggered.If no one knows I just have to measure it..73 HenkPA0CVerzonden vanaf mijn Samsung Galaxy-smartphone.

From vk5gr.radio at gmail.com  Tue Nov 26 03:56:57 2019
From: vk5gr.radio at gmail.com (Grant VK5GR)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 19:26:57 +1030
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off
In-Reply-To: <CAJSJeL0HmJERT7KaSLyZe_Lw-gMXKH-qpAp-6138dSfkU1_y=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <03bcfc73-3cf0-c3ce-46db-8a9b508acbeb@comcast.net>
	<BYAPR16MB2968175BB1D7A6596BCF1DBA8CCC0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB296857203B9333494B2DC79A8CCF0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<1574733422794-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<721c5753-d25c-d377-eda0-726403d5583b@blomand.net>
	<1574736654622-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<CAJSJeL0HmJERT7KaSLyZe_Lw-gMXKH-qpAp-6138dSfkU1_y=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5ddce8dd.1c69fb81.f434b.bf2b@mx.google.com>

Eric,

 

I reloaded the firmware tonight ? no change (in fact I upgraded it from 1.47 to 1.54).

 

If I plug the mains cable in the fans power up immediately. If I then turn the amplifier on, the amp works normally. When I power it off from software or the front panel the fans spin up and stay running.

 

Is there something I can look at here in VK I wonder? I really don?t want to have to ship it back to Elecraft for this.

 

Regards,

Grant VK5GR

 

 

 

 

From: Eric Norris [mailto:norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2019 2:20 PM
To: VK5GR
Cc: elecraft at mailman qth. net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off

 

Reload the firmware.

73 Eric WD6DBM

 

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 6:51 PM VK5GR <vk5gr.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

FAN CTL = NOR

FANs are idle while the amp is turned on - amp ambient temp was 27C at the
time (it was powered up and had been idle for about 20 minutes).

I then turned the amplifier off via the front panel push button. I would
have expected the FANs to start up for about 10 seconds as they discharge
the 60V rail supply but instead the FANs continue to run. the only way to
turn them off is to unplug the amp from the mains supply.

It is definitely a fault condition and not a menu selection.

Thoughts?



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From norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 26 04:29:28 2019
From: norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com (Eric Norris)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 01:29:28 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off
In-Reply-To: <5ddce8dd.1c69fb81.f434b.bf2b@mx.google.com>
References: <03bcfc73-3cf0-c3ce-46db-8a9b508acbeb@comcast.net>
	<BYAPR16MB2968175BB1D7A6596BCF1DBA8CCC0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB296857203B9333494B2DC79A8CCF0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<1574733422794-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<721c5753-d25c-d377-eda0-726403d5583b@blomand.net>
	<1574736654622-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<CAJSJeL0HmJERT7KaSLyZe_Lw-gMXKH-qpAp-6138dSfkU1_y=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<5ddce8dd.1c69fb81.f434b.bf2b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAJSJeL1_mdiSNvc4pAtyODy_G54ZODSrwGEAPyyziwNni2KEyQ@mail.gmail.com>

As Jack Brindle noted (and he would know), it appears to be a stuck relay.
If you don't want to send the amp back to the mothership, I'm sure Elecraft
Support could identify the relay, and if you can do rework, you could
remove the bad one and replace it yourself.

73 Eric WD6DBM

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 12:57 AM Grant VK5GR <vk5gr.radio at gmail.com> wrote:

> Eric,
>
>
>
> I reloaded the firmware tonight ? no change (in fact I upgraded it from
> 1.47 to 1.54).
>
>
>
> If I plug the mains cable in the fans power up immediately. If I then turn
> the amplifier on, the amp works normally. When I power it off from software
> or the front panel the fans spin up and stay running.
>
>
>
> Is there something I can look at here in VK I wonder? I really don?t want
> to have to ship it back to Elecraft for this.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Grant VK5GR
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Eric Norris [mailto:norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 26 November 2019 2:20 PM
> *To:* VK5GR
> *Cc:* elecraft at mailman qth. net
> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off
>
>
>
> Reload the firmware.
>
> 73 Eric WD6DBM
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 6:51 PM VK5GR <vk5gr.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> FAN CTL = NOR
>
> FANs are idle while the amp is turned on - amp ambient temp was 27C at the
> time (it was powered up and had been idle for about 20 minutes).
>
> I then turned the amplifier off via the front panel push button. I would
> have expected the FANs to start up for about 10 seconds as they discharge
> the 60V rail supply but instead the FANs continue to run. the only way to
> turn them off is to unplug the amp from the mains supply.
>
> It is definitely a fault condition and not a menu selection.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/
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From kenst at roadrunner.com  Tue Nov 26 09:18:02 2019
From: kenst at roadrunner.com (N4OI - Ken)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 07:18:02 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3SVGA - Most Valuable Add-on?
Message-ID: <1574777882822-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

After owning a K3 and P3 combo for several years, I put the P3SVGA (along
with a generic monitor and wireless keyboard) on my Xmas list a while
back... I had been perfectly happy with just the little P3 but the big
screen has exceeded all expectations for detail and responsiveness...  In
addition, having the perpetual CW decode window under the waterfall helps
with fills and history...  And the keyboard and text macros work great for
repetitive exchanges...  For me, a no-extra-charge bonus is RTTY!  I work
all CW, but started to get my feet wet once in a while in RTTY contest
exchanges...  Just put the K3 in data mode, tune to the twin waterfall
signals and go...  easy-peazee...  The point is that I just expected a
bigger screen but the P3SVGA provided so much more value...  Just sayin' 
73 ES GOD BLESS U ES URS DE KEN N4OI



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From a.durbin at msn.com  Tue Nov 26 09:41:03 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 14:41:03 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB296811E499703B35FF8BC2A78C450@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"As Jack Brindle noted (and he would know), it appears to be a stuck relay."

Ok, I'll bite.  How would a mechanically stuck relay be freed by cycling power? 

Andy, k3wyc

From a.durbin at msn.com  Tue Nov 26 10:26:58 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 15:26:58 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB296811E499703B35FF8BC2A78C450@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB296811E499703B35FF8BC2A78C450@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB2968EFF5B32607C90174CC008C450@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"Ok, I'll bite.  How would a mechanically stuck relay be freed by cycling power? "

Never mind.  I should have checked my notes first.  Stuck K1 in the PSU would seem to fit the symptoms.

Andy, k3wyc



From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Nov 26 10:28:08 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 09:28:08 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off
In-Reply-To: <CAJSJeL1_mdiSNvc4pAtyODy_G54ZODSrwGEAPyyziwNni2KEyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <03bcfc73-3cf0-c3ce-46db-8a9b508acbeb@comcast.net>
	<BYAPR16MB2968175BB1D7A6596BCF1DBA8CCC0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB296857203B9333494B2DC79A8CCF0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<1574733422794-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<721c5753-d25c-d377-eda0-726403d5583b@blomand.net>
	<1574736654622-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<CAJSJeL0HmJERT7KaSLyZe_Lw-gMXKH-qpAp-6138dSfkU1_y=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<5ddce8dd.1c69fb81.f434b.bf2b@mx.google.com>
	<CAJSJeL1_mdiSNvc4pAtyODy_G54ZODSrwGEAPyyziwNni2KEyQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9cb0b146-9a19-b58f-4b97-20e35139a88f@blomand.net>

In looking at the schematic, I see the fan is controlled by a MJE182 
{Q5}.? If this transistor shorts the fan runs at full speed.?? I didn't 
see a relay in the circuit, but I could have missed it.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 11/26/2019 3:29 AM, Eric Norris wrote:
> As Jack Brindle noted (and he would know), it appears to be a stuck relay.
> If you don't want to send the amp back to the mothership, I'm sure Elecraft
> Support could identify the relay, and if you can do rework, you could
> remove the bad one and replace it yourself.
>
> 73 Eric WD6DBM
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 12:57 AM Grant VK5GR <vk5gr.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>>
>>
>>
>> I reloaded the firmware tonight ? no change (in fact I upgraded it from
>> 1.47 to 1.54).
>>
>>
>>
>> If I plug the mains cable in the fans power up immediately. If I then turn
>> the amplifier on, the amp works normally. When I power it off from software
>> or the front panel the fans spin up and stay running.
>>
>>
>>
>> Is there something I can look at here in VK I wonder? I really don?t want
>> to have to ship it back to Elecraft for this.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Grant VK5GR
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Eric Norris [mailto:norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 26 November 2019 2:20 PM
>> *To:* VK5GR
>> *Cc:* elecraft at mailman qth. net
>> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off
>>
>>
>>
>> Reload the firmware.
>>
>> 73 Eric WD6DBM
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 6:51 PM VK5GR <vk5gr.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> FAN CTL = NOR
>>
>> FANs are idle while the amp is turned on - amp ambient temp was 27C at the
>> time (it was powered up and had been idle for about 20 minutes).
>>
>> I then turned the amplifier off via the front panel push button. I would
>> have expected the FANs to start up for about 10 seconds as they discharge
>> the 60V rail supply but instead the FANs continue to run. the only way to
>> turn them off is to unplug the amp from the mains supply.
>>
>> It is definitely a fault condition and not a menu selection.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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>>
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From jackbrindle at me.com  Tue Nov 26 10:44:18 2019
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 07:44:18 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off
In-Reply-To: <9cb0b146-9a19-b58f-4b97-20e35139a88f@blomand.net>
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When the KPA shuts down, the power relay is switched off, then the driver transistors for the fan are turned on. The microcontroller shortly executes a restart, which puts the MCU into boot mode, but does not reset the I/O ports. Thus the fans are turned on, allowing the big power capacitors to drain through the fan. Normally this works fine, leaving the MCU in low power state waiting for the next power up and the rest of the amp powered off. If the power relay is stuck on, then the MCU will be in the low-power boot mode, but the power supply is left turned on and thus the fan runs.

The solution is to correct the relay issue. Again, talk to customer support about what you and they can do to facilitate a repair.

73!
Jack, W6FB


> On Nov 26, 2019, at 7:28 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> 
> In looking at the schematic, I see the fan is controlled by a MJE182 {Q5}.  If this transistor shorts the fan runs at full speed.   I didn't see a relay in the circuit, but I could have missed it.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> On 11/26/2019 3:29 AM, Eric Norris wrote:
>> As Jack Brindle noted (and he would know), it appears to be a stuck relay.
>> If you don't want to send the amp back to the mothership, I'm sure Elecraft
>> Support could identify the relay, and if you can do rework, you could
>> remove the bad one and replace it yourself.
>> 
>> 73 Eric WD6DBM
>> 
>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 12:57 AM Grant VK5GR <vk5gr.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Eric,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I reloaded the firmware tonight ? no change (in fact I upgraded it from
>>> 1.47 to 1.54).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If I plug the mains cable in the fans power up immediately. If I then turn
>>> the amplifier on, the amp works normally. When I power it off from software
>>> or the front panel the fans spin up and stay running.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Is there something I can look at here in VK I wonder? I really don?t want
>>> to have to ship it back to Elecraft for this.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Grant VK5GR
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *From:* Eric Norris [mailto:norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 26 November 2019 2:20 PM
>>> *To:* VK5GR
>>> *Cc:* elecraft at mailman qth. net
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Reload the firmware.
>>> 
>>> 73 Eric WD6DBM
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 6:51 PM VK5GR <vk5gr.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> FAN CTL = NOR
>>> 
>>> FANs are idle while the amp is turned on - amp ambient temp was 27C at the
>>> time (it was powered up and had been idle for about 20 minutes).
>>> 
>>> I then turned the amplifier off via the front panel push button. I would
>>> have expected the FANs to start up for about 10 seconds as they discharge
>>> the 60V rail supply but instead the FANs continue to run. the only way to
>>> turn them off is to unplug the amp from the mains supply.
>>> 
>>> It is definitely a fault condition and not a menu selection.
>>> 
>>> Thoughts?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From olof at rowanhouse.net  Tue Nov 26 11:38:45 2019
From: olof at rowanhouse.net (Olof Lundberg)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 16:38:45 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S WSJT and FT8
Message-ID: <CAEmn7PREdLezk5Y2S5xHaMMfmjcmr3kX3uNR3XzA0W5T2tPqJg@mail.gmail.com>

I have requests to do FT8 on top band from 3B8 right now. I have receive
going OK and also CAT but I can't get audio from WSJT-X on a WIndows 10
Home Pro laptop to get into my K3S. ANyone out there who can help?

73 Olof G0CKV 3B9HA 3B9M

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Nov 26 12:14:02 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 12:14:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S WSJT and FT8
In-Reply-To: <CAEmn7PREdLezk5Y2S5xHaMMfmjcmr3kX3uNR3XzA0W5T2tPqJg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEmn7PREdLezk5Y2S5xHaMMfmjcmr3kX3uNR3XzA0W5T2tPqJg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4066af8b-98b0-ddff-dca6-082524550789@embarqmail.com>

Olof,

Are you connected to the K3S using the USB cable?
If so, check the soundcard that WSJT-X is trying to use for audio output 
- it should be USB AUDIO CODEC.
You must NOT have anything plugged into the K3S LINE IN jack unless you 
are using a different soundcard than the internal one.

If the soundcard is correct, and you are using DATA A mode, set the 
input to LINE in the menu.

You will have to set the audio levels (there are multiple controls - 
some in your computer software and the LINE level (mic knob) of the K3S. 
  You must end up with 4 bars solid on the ALC meter with the 5th bar 
flashing.
See the article on my website www.w3fpr.com

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/26/2019 11:38 AM, Olof Lundberg wrote:
> I have requests to do FT8 on top band from 3B8 right now. I have receive
> going OK and also CAT but I can't get audio from WSJT-X on a WIndows 10
> Home Pro laptop to get into my K3S. ANyone out there who can help?
> 
> 73 Olof G0CKV 3B9HA 3B9M

From barrylazar2 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 26 13:08:31 2019
From: barrylazar2 at gmail.com (Barry)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 18:08:31 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S WSJT and FT8
In-Reply-To: <4066af8b-98b0-ddff-dca6-082524550789@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAEmn7PREdLezk5Y2S5xHaMMfmjcmr3kX3uNR3XzA0W5T2tPqJg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4066af8b-98b0-ddff-dca6-082524550789@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <em8b6219d9-cabf-4d00-8279-00d1e108ae59@laptop3>

Don,
     You are correct it works fine this way. I do it that way. Only one 
suggestion, use VOX. once tone is on the radio goes into transmit rather 
nicely. I do this for all the digital modes and have run into no 
problems. Once Elecraft added the internal sound card it really made 
operating easier.

73,
Barry
K3NDM


------ Original Message ------
From: "Don Wilhelm" <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
To: "Olof Lundberg" <olof at rowanhouse.net>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Sent: 11/26/2019 12:14:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S WSJT and FT8

>Olof,
>
>Are you connected to the K3S using the USB cable?
>If so, check the soundcard that WSJT-X is trying to use for audio output - it should be USB AUDIO CODEC.
>You must NOT have anything plugged into the K3S LINE IN jack unless you are using a different soundcard than the internal one.
>
>If the soundcard is correct, and you are using DATA A mode, set the input to LINE in the menu.
>
>You will have to set the audio levels (there are multiple controls - some in your computer software and the LINE level (mic knob) of the K3S.  You must end up with 4 bars solid on the ALC meter with the 5th bar flashing.
>See the article on my website www.w3fpr.com
>
>73,
>Don W3FPR
>
>On 11/26/2019 11:38 AM, Olof Lundberg wrote:
>>I have requests to do FT8 on top band from 3B8 right now. I have receive
>>going OK and also CAT but I can't get audio from WSJT-X on a WIndows 10
>>Home Pro laptop to get into my K3S. ANyone out there who can help?
>>
>>73 Olof G0CKV 3B9HA 3B9M
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From nick.ve3ey at gmail.com  Tue Nov 26 17:05:52 2019
From: nick.ve3ey at gmail.com (Nick Lekic)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 17:05:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for used P3SVGA
Message-ID: <0CB3BC1C-31B6-43CE-9262-DF17BC86B5AD@gmail.com>

If you have one for sale contact me directly.    

 nick[dot]ve3ey[at]gmail[dot]com

73
Nick VE3EY 

Sent from my iPad

From lists at w2irt.net  Tue Nov 26 20:20:06 2019
From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 20:20:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] NCC-2 noise canceller with K3s?
Message-ID: <023c01d5a4c0$ce244fe0$6a6cefa0$@w2irt.net>

Hi all,
I'm looking at replacing my finicky MFJ-1026 with a DX Engineering NCC-2
this season but I have a couple of questions for anybody here who's got one.

 

At the moment I have one TX antenna for 160 (inverted-L), one TX antenna for
80 (inverted vee), a K9AY RX loop for both and an AUX vertical antenna, fed
with RG-6 and split two ways (half to the K3s AUX port, half to the MFJ-1026
sense antenna port). Both TX antennas run come off a remote Ameritron RCS-12
antenna switch, which also switches my 40-through-10 Yagis. Running QRO with
a KPA-1500. 

Before I spend $800 on this box, I've got to ask if my present antenna
configuration will work even somewhat effectively through the NCC-2. I'm on
a quarter-acre city lot and very fortunate to have the antennas I have. No
room for Beverages or a distant tower for a Waller Flag, etc. I've got high
levels of electrical noise from the industrial park less than a quarter mile
away, and likely from multiple sources therein, plus nearby homes' wall
warts, etc. In other words, I don't think it's one specific noise source
that's raising the noise floor to S9+10, but I'm looking for any way to
improve S/N on Topband and 80.

So with the K3s and KPA-1500, then antennas as described, is there any
reasonable way to connect this up and if yes, should I expect a noticeable
improvement?


---------------------------------------------
73 and Good DX
Peter, W2IRT



President, North Jersey DX Association

DXCC Card Checker
Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau

 


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Nov 26 20:25:20 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 17:25:20 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S WSJT and FT8
In-Reply-To: <CAEmn7PREdLezk5Y2S5xHaMMfmjcmr3kX3uNR3XzA0W5T2tPqJg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEmn7PREdLezk5Y2S5xHaMMfmjcmr3kX3uNR3XzA0W5T2tPqJg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9fba33ec-2771-5550-a370-0958e89a8045@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 11/26/2019 8:38 AM, Olof Lundberg wrote:
> I have requests to do FT8 on top band from 3B8 right now.

That would be wonderful, Olof!  Also 80M. And thanks for the 40M Q last 
weekend.

73, Jim K9YC

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Nov 26 20:35:59 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 17:35:59 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] NCC-2 noise canceller with K3s?
In-Reply-To: <023c01d5a4c0$ce244fe0$6a6cefa0$@w2irt.net>
References: <023c01d5a4c0$ce244fe0$6a6cefa0$@w2irt.net>
Message-ID: <e3022d4c-f6b6-394b-1ed7-9938f4912c8d@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 11/26/2019 5:20 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote:
> So with the K3s and KPA-1500, then antennas as described, is there any
> reasonable way to connect this up and if yes, should I expect a noticeable
> improvement?

The NCC-1 is an excellent unit; the NCC-2 adds a TX antenna input port. 
It is most useful on 160 and 80, and still useful on 20. In all cases, 
success depends on your noise sources and the antennas you can phase. 
But it still boils down to the fact that you can usually only cancel one 
direction at a time.

I'm on 8 acres, so I have six RX antennas -- two reversible Beverages 
and a pair of VE3DO loops. I bought a very nice 8x2 RX antenna switch 
from K9AY, and feed the two outputs to the NCC-1. I also feed the K3 RX 
out to it, so that I can phase any of those antennas with the current TX 
antenna.

73, Jim K9YC



From hbjr at optilink.us  Tue Nov 26 21:02:11 2019
From: hbjr at optilink.us (hbjr at optilink.us)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 21:02:11 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] NCC-2 noise canceller with K3s?
In-Reply-To: <023c01d5a4c0$ce244fe0$6a6cefa0$@w2irt.net>
References: <023c01d5a4c0$ce244fe0$6a6cefa0$@w2irt.net>
Message-ID: <04be01d5a4c6$ae4c1800$0ae44800$@optilink.us>

I fought noise on MW thru 20 at my QTH.  I used a 1026 with great success,
but it took running a second antenna very similar to the first to null out
the noise.  I was running a dipole and I put up another made out of very
small wire on the other side of my lot at about 3/4 the height, but it was
oriented the same direction and was dimensionally the same.  It was only
then I could null out the noise.  I tried 3 or 4 different configurations
for the second antenna, but it was not until I made it similar to the
primary antenna that it worked.

I also tried the NCC-2 with similar results - the second "similar" antenna
was the right answer for both boxes. I returned the DX box.

YMMV
Hank
K4HYJ

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Peter Dougherty
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:20 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] NCC-2 noise canceller with K3s?

Hi all,
I'm looking at replacing my finicky MFJ-1026 with a DX Engineering NCC-2
this season but I have a couple of questions for anybody here who's got one.

 

At the moment I have one TX antenna for 160 (inverted-L), one TX antenna for
80 (inverted vee), a K9AY RX loop for both and an AUX vertical antenna, fed
with RG-6 and split two ways (half to the K3s AUX port, half to the MFJ-1026
sense antenna port). Both TX antennas run come off a remote Ameritron RCS-12
antenna switch, which also switches my 40-through-10 Yagis. Running QRO with
a KPA-1500. 

Before I spend $800 on this box, I've got to ask if my present antenna
configuration will work even somewhat effectively through the NCC-2. I'm on
a quarter-acre city lot and very fortunate to have the antennas I have. No
room for Beverages or a distant tower for a Waller Flag, etc. I've got high
levels of electrical noise from the industrial park less than a quarter mile
away, and likely from multiple sources therein, plus nearby homes' wall
warts, etc. In other words, I don't think it's one specific noise source
that's raising the noise floor to S9+10, but I'm looking for any way to
improve S/N on Topband and 80.

So with the K3s and KPA-1500, then antennas as described, is there any
reasonable way to connect this up and if yes, should I expect a noticeable
improvement?


---------------------------------------------
73 and Good DX
Peter, W2IRT



President, North Jersey DX Association

DXCC Card Checker
Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau

 

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From softblue at windstream.net  Tue Nov 26 21:38:10 2019
From: softblue at windstream.net (Dick Dickinson)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 21:38:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] NCC-2 noise canceller with K3s?
Message-ID: <000301d5a4cb$b5b82c00$21288400$@windstream.net>

."So with the K3s and KPA-1500, then antennas as described, is there any

reasonable way to connect this up and if yes, should I expect a noticeable

improvement?"

 

Have you tried the current antenna setup with the 1026..?  Did it perform at
all?  If not, what were the perceived shortcomings?

 

'Conceptually,' I don't see a difference if a) you've tired the various
combos with the 1026, and b) you are making no other antenna changes.  Yes,
I'd except better performance from the NCC-2.  'Less finicky'.can't say.
Finding nulls among a variety of noises can be tricky.  With broadband
noise, it can sometimes be effective to Peak the overall noise and invert it
instead of seeking a null.  Working or not, I can't see that you'd need any
changes to insert the NCC-2 short of changes to the antenna system.

 

I run a 1026 with a pair of 40 meter inverted vees.  Until two weeks ago,
they shared a common apex (but not feed point) and were orthogonal to each
other.  They were reversible as well.TX/RX with either.  Local noise has
been low here recently, but there were usually somewhat effective when there
was noise.  As well, I can use a mix of other antennas, but most of my
recent activity has been on 40 meters.  The setup seems to make little
difference with atmospheric noise.  Often there seems to be little I can do
to diminish that noise.

 

I've now moved one inverted vee a quarter wavelength away from the other and
still orthogonal.  One vee still needs some pruning or other, but the
listening from Kentucky to the western states was very good last night.
There was little noise to be canceled.

 

My guess is that with what you have and no changes other than the noise
canceling unit, you'll get about what you are now getting, only more so with
the NCC-2.

 

 

Dick - KA5KKT 


From lists at w2irt.net  Tue Nov 26 22:54:17 2019
From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 22:54:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] NCC-2 noise canceller with K3s?
In-Reply-To: <000301d5a4cb$b5b82c00$21288400$@windstream.net>
References: <000301d5a4cb$b5b82c00$21288400$@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <025401d5a4d6$57c5b8f0$07512ad0$@w2irt.net>

What I have now is the K9AY as the main antenna on the 1026, and the
random-length vertical with two radials as the second "Aux" antenna. The
adjustment is extremely finicky. The phase control has a hair trigger
basically. Plus I can't really equalize the signals since the vertical aux
antenna can't hear as well as the K9AY.

I'm trying to figure out how I could use the combination of my TX antennas
(which run through the antenna switch) versus the K9AY, and use the AUX
antenna strictly for diversity RX on the K3s, which works somewhat
brilliantly on 40m, but doesn't do much on 80/160.

 - pjd

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Dick Dickinson
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 9:38 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] NCC-2 noise canceller with K3s? 

Have you tried the current antenna setup with the 1026..?  Did it perform at
all?  If not, what were the perceived shortcomings?

My guess is that with what you have and no changes other than the noise
canceling unit, you'll get about what you are now getting, only more so with
the NCC-2.
 


From olof at rowanhouse.net  Wed Nov 27 01:28:07 2019
From: olof at rowanhouse.net (Olof Lundberg)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 10:28:07 +0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S WSJT and FT8
In-Reply-To: <4066af8b-98b0-ddff-dca6-082524550789@embarqmail.com>
References: <4066af8b-98b0-ddff-dca6-082524550789@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <D9BB3DAB-6875-44F3-BFED-C70F604DFF27@rowanhouse.net>

Thank you all. I thought I had all this done but the obfuscated Windows 10 audio settings caught me out probably. It turned out that it was the transmit chain of audio level settings wsjt pwr - windows spkr audio - K3 mic/line level that had to be ?tuned?. So next step will be to read up on how you do the qsos. 3B8M might do a test run on 17m later today and I will try to do 160 and perhaps 80 around sunset/sunrise night between Wed and Thu my time. That would be 1830 and 0120 UTC respectively.

73 and, again, many thanks for the quick help

Olof G0CKV

Sent from my iPhone

> On 26 Nov 2019, at 21:14, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Olof,
> 
> Are you connected to the K3S using the USB cable?
> If so, check the soundcard that WSJT-X is trying to use for audio output - it should be USB AUDIO CODEC.
> You must NOT have anything plugged into the K3S LINE IN jack unless you are using a different soundcard than the internal one.
> 
> If the soundcard is correct, and you are using DATA A mode, set the input to LINE in the menu.
> 
> You will have to set the audio levels (there are multiple controls - some in your computer software and the LINE level (mic knob) of the K3S.  You must end up with 4 bars solid on the ALC meter with the 5th bar flashing.
> See the article on my website www.w3fpr.com
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 11/26/2019 11:38 AM, Olof Lundberg wrote:
>> I have requests to do FT8 on top band from 3B8 right now. I have receive
>> going OK and also CAT but I can't get audio from WSJT-X on a WIndows 10
>> Home Pro laptop to get into my K3S. ANyone out there who can help?
>> 73 Olof G0CKV 3B9HA 3B9M

From no9e at arrl.net  Wed Nov 27 07:23:14 2019
From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 05:23:14 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] NCC-2 noise canceller with K3s?
In-Reply-To: <025401d5a4d6$57c5b8f0$07512ad0$@w2irt.net>
References: <023c01d5a4c0$ce244fe0$6a6cefa0$@w2irt.net>
	<000301d5a4cb$b5b82c00$21288400$@windstream.net>
	<025401d5a4d6$57c5b8f0$07512ad0$@w2irt.net>
Message-ID: <1574857394700-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

I have NCC-2, 3 el-HiZ and a Wellbrook loop. NCC2 is not useful for weaker
antennas until one adds amplifiers and, for peace of mind, antenna guards.
Very expensive. I had it once miswired and it blew the inside - no fuse. 

The only time I use it now is for power line noise canceling. 

Ignacy, NO9E



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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Wed Nov 27 07:41:11 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 05:41:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S WSJT and FT8
In-Reply-To: <D9BB3DAB-6875-44F3-BFED-C70F604DFF27@rowanhouse.net>
References: <4066af8b-98b0-ddff-dca6-082524550789@embarqmail.com>
	<D9BB3DAB-6875-44F3-BFED-C70F604DFF27@rowanhouse.net>
Message-ID: <e288bd7f-716c-8f43-a96c-b859e1ebdc0c@triconet.org>

Nothing to do with your problem but I had to say that I copied, and called 
unsuccessfully, 3B8M on 40-meter CW on 11-24-19 @ 1651Z, which is 0951 AM local 
time here in Arizona.? This is 3 hours past my SR on a >11,000 mile path.? Who 
needs FT8?

I'll look for you on 80 and 160.

Wes? N7WS


On 11/26/2019 11:28 PM, Olof Lundberg wrote:
> Thank you all. I thought I had all this done but the obfuscated Windows 10 audio settings caught me out probably. It turned out that it was the transmit chain of audio level settings wsjt pwr - windows spkr audio - K3 mic/line level that had to be ?tuned?. So next step will be to read up on how you do the qsos. 3B8M might do a test run on 17m later today and I will try to do 160 and perhaps 80 around sunset/sunrise night between Wed and Thu my time. That would be 1830 and 0120 UTC respectively.
>
> 73 and, again, many thanks for the quick help
>
> Olof G0CKV
>


From markmusick at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 27 09:23:57 2019
From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (markmusick at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 14:23:57 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S WSJT and FT8
In-Reply-To: <e288bd7f-716c-8f43-a96c-b859e1ebdc0c@triconet.org>
References: <4066af8b-98b0-ddff-dca6-082524550789@embarqmail.com>	<D9BB3DAB-6875-44F3-BFED-C70F604DFF27@rowanhouse.net>
	<e288bd7f-716c-8f43-a96c-b859e1ebdc0c@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <006a01d5a52e$4f332c10$ed998430$@sbcglobal.net>

Hi Wes,
I worked 3B8M on 11-24-19 at 1721 on 14.096 MHz using my K2/10 running 5 Watts. 
>From my QTH here near Indianapolis that is a 9,900+ mile path.

Mark, WB9CIF

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Wes
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 12:41
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S WSJT and FT8

Nothing to do with your problem but I had to say that I copied, and called unsuccessfully, 3B8M on 40-meter CW on 11-24-19 @ 1651Z, which is 0951 AM local time here in Arizona.  This is 3 hours past my SR on a >11,000 mile path.  Who needs FT8?

I'll look for you on 80 and 160.

Wes  N7WS


On 11/26/2019 11:28 PM, Olof Lundberg wrote:
> Thank you all. I thought I had all this done but the obfuscated Windows 10 audio settings caught me out probably. It turned out that it was the transmit chain of audio level settings wsjt pwr - windows spkr audio - K3 mic/line level that had to be ?tuned?. So next step will be to read up on how you do the qsos. 3B8M might do a test run on 17m later today and I will try to do 160 and perhaps 80 around sunset/sunrise night between Wed and Thu my time. That would be 1830 and 0120 UTC respectively.
>
> 73 and, again, many thanks for the quick help
>
> Olof G0CKV
>

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From markmusick at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 27 10:37:46 2019
From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (markmusick at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 15:37:46 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S WSJT and FT8
In-Reply-To: <e288bd7f-716c-8f43-a96c-b859e1ebdc0c@triconet.org>
References: <4066af8b-98b0-ddff-dca6-082524550789@embarqmail.com>	<D9BB3DAB-6875-44F3-BFED-C70F604DFF27@rowanhouse.net>
	<e288bd7f-716c-8f43-a96c-b859e1ebdc0c@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <001001d5a538$9f9436e0$debca4a0$@sbcglobal.net>

In my reply to Wes' post about hearing 3B8M on 40 meter CW and I posted I worked them with my K2/10 at 5 Watts on 20 meters, some apparently thought I used FT8 to make the contact. That is not the case. I was using CW as I was a QRP entry in the CQWW CW contest.

Mark, WB9CIF

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Wes
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 12:41
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S WSJT and FT8

Nothing to do with your problem but I had to say that I copied, and called unsuccessfully, 3B8M on 40-meter CW on 11-24-19 @ 1651Z, which is 0951 AM local time here in Arizona.  This is 3 hours past my SR on a >11,000 mile path.  Who needs FT8?

I'll look for you on 80 and 160.

Wes  N7WS


On 11/26/2019 11:28 PM, Olof Lundberg wrote:
> Thank you all. I thought I had all this done but the obfuscated Windows 10 audio settings caught me out probably. It turned out that it was the transmit chain of audio level settings wsjt pwr - windows spkr audio - K3 mic/line level that had to be ?tuned?. So next step will be to read up on how you do the qsos. 3B8M might do a test run on 17m later today and I will try to do 160 and perhaps 80 around sunset/sunrise night between Wed and Thu my time. That would be 1830 and 0120 UTC respectively.
>
> 73 and, again, many thanks for the quick help
>
> Olof G0CKV
>

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From jstreet at uwaterloo.ca  Wed Nov 27 12:01:01 2019
From: jstreet at uwaterloo.ca (Joseph Street)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 17:01:01 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] New to the List
Message-ID: <30e77835c2ef443889b6f0f6f3530c26@uwaterloo.ca>

I wanted to say hello to the list membership and introduce myself.


I just purchased a used package of KX3/PX3 and KXPAT100 which I am quite pleased to get my hands on.

Now I begin the journey of learning the user interface and getting up to speed with using the rig for CW which is my main mode of interest.


No doubt I will have a few periodic questions as I dive through the many publications by Elecraft about alerts, enhancements and firmware revisions and try to determine the history of this gear, what has been done and what I may need to do.


Best regards all


Joe ve3vxo



From mcquiggi at sfu.ca  Wed Nov 27 12:18:09 2019
From: mcquiggi at sfu.ca (Kevin McQuiggin)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 09:18:09 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] New to the List
In-Reply-To: <30e77835c2ef443889b6f0f6f3530c26@uwaterloo.ca>
References: <30e77835c2ef443889b6f0f6f3530c26@uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <5AE27D6C-440B-4368-A7D5-7DFFAC4B829B@sfu.ca>

Hi Joe:

Welcome from a fellow Canadian.  I?m VE7ZD.  You?ll find excellent support and a helpful community on this mailing list.  I too have a KX3/PX3 and KXPA100 so I?m working on a similar platform.  I was inactive for almost 20 years but became active again just a year ago.

What are you using for an antenna?  You can make great contacts with a simply antenna like a dipole.  All my HF work is dipole-based and I find the antenna successful for making the QSO a high percentage of the time.

73 and welcome to the list,

Kevin


> On Nov 27, 2019, at 9:01 AM, Joseph Street <jstreet at uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
> 
> I wanted to say hello to the list membership and introduce myself.
> 
> 
> I just purchased a used package of KX3/PX3 and KXPAT100 which I am quite pleased to get my hands on.
> 
> Now I begin the journey of learning the user interface and getting up to speed with using the rig for CW which is my main mode of interest.
> 
> 
> No doubt I will have a few periodic questions as I dive through the many publications by Elecraft about alerts, enhancements and firmware revisions and try to determine the history of this gear, what has been done and what I may need to do.
> 
> 
> Best regards all
> 
> 
> Joe ve3vxo
> 
> 
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From johnae5x at gmail.com  Wed Nov 27 12:26:52 2019
From: johnae5x at gmail.com (John Harper)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 11:26:52 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K4: savable profiles?
Message-ID: <CAPHmH=NS0+Ad8xLTZMEtrGiXSLOzX2iUfmpNdiKn3cvYQeS2Yg@mail.gmail.com>

Will the K4 have the ability to save (and then select from) various
?profiles? so that a user can go from, say, 20m 100-watt CW to 80m 10-watt
FT8 with all the saved settings (power, mode, bandwidth, audio in/out
levels) taking effect simply by selecting the chosen profile?



Tnx/73,


John AE5X
https://ae5x.blogspot.com

From dave at nk7z.net  Wed Nov 27 12:38:14 2019
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 09:38:14 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] New to the List
In-Reply-To: <30e77835c2ef443889b6f0f6f3530c26@uwaterloo.ca>
References: <30e77835c2ef443889b6f0f6f3530c26@uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <b7687e4d-f387-8718-e474-041a7ed24773@nk7z.net>

Hi and Welcome:

Your next purchase should now be the Cady books for your hardware...  I 
believe Elecraft sells them now.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 11/27/19 9:01 AM, Joseph Street wrote:
> I wanted to say hello to the list membership and introduce myself.
> 
> 
> I just purchased a used package of KX3/PX3 and KXPAT100 which I am quite pleased to get my hands on.
> 
> Now I begin the journey of learning the user interface and getting up to speed with using the rig for CW which is my main mode of interest.
> 
> 
> No doubt I will have a few periodic questions as I dive through the many publications by Elecraft about alerts, enhancements and firmware revisions and try to determine the history of this gear, what has been done and what I may need to do.
> 
> 
> Best regards all
> 
> 
> Joe ve3vxo
> 
> 
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From turnbull at net1.ie  Wed Nov 27 12:43:18 2019
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 17:43:18 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K4: savable profiles?
In-Reply-To: <CAPHmH=NS0+Ad8xLTZMEtrGiXSLOzX2iUfmpNdiKn3cvYQeS2Yg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPHmH=NS0+Ad8xLTZMEtrGiXSLOzX2iUfmpNdiKn3cvYQeS2Yg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DBB0D98561D44BE6A594CB87D4126246@DougTPC>

Dear OMs and YLs,
    Even if this could be done in the K4 Utility it would be useful.   This
facility might even be better in the Utility if this helped to keep the
radio user friendly.   Boy, this list goes on and on but it is good just the
same.   We are all writing our letters to Santa.

                   73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Harper
Sent: 27 November 2019 17:27
To: Elecraft list
Subject: [Elecraft] K4: savable profiles?

Will the K4 have the ability to save (and then select from) various
"profiles" so that a user can go from, say, 20m 100-watt CW to 80m 10-watt
FT8 with all the saved settings (power, mode, bandwidth, audio in/out
levels) taking effect simply by selecting the chosen profile?



Tnx/73,


John AE5X
https://ae5x.blogspot.com
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Nov 27 13:29:20 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 13:29:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] New to the List
In-Reply-To: <30e77835c2ef443889b6f0f6f3530c26@uwaterloo.ca>
References: <30e77835c2ef443889b6f0f6f3530c26@uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <d6e4a3e1-879a-f30a-3e44-1bebe79fa625@embarqmail.com>

Joe,

Your best learning tool will be the KX-Line book by Fred Cady.
You can order it from Elecraft - look under PRODUCTS -- BOOKS.
If you go through all the instructions and exercises in that book, you 
can be answering questions instead of asking them.

The Firmware and Utilities to download the firmware and do other useful 
things are no cost downloads from the Elecraft website.  You will need 
the KXUSB USB to serial adapter to connect to a computer USB port.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/27/2019 12:01 PM, Joseph Street wrote:
> I wanted to say hello to the list membership and introduce myself.
> 
> 
> I just purchased a used package of KX3/PX3 and KXPAT100 which I am quite pleased to get my hands on.
> 
> Now I begin the journey of learning the user interface and getting up to speed with using the rig for CW which is my main mode of interest.
> 
> 
> No doubt I will have a few periodic questions as I dive through the many publications by Elecraft about alerts, enhancements and firmware revisions and try to determine the history of this gear, what has been done and what I may need to do.
> 

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Wed Nov 27 14:47:15 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 14:47:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K4: savable profiles?
In-Reply-To: <DBB0D98561D44BE6A594CB87D4126246@DougTPC>
References: <DBB0D98561D44BE6A594CB87D4126246@DougTPC>
Message-ID: <9ABAA495-0D7A-4AA9-B60D-249F336DB584@widomaker.com>

This would be a nice feature, but, I would rather have the ability to save mic settings like which port, gain, compression, bias and free response settings. At least three or four (or more) mic profiles would be mice. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Nov 27, 2019, at 12:57 PM, Doug Turnbull <turnbull at net1.ie> wrote:
> 
> ?Dear OMs and YLs,
>    Even if this could be done in the K4 Utility it would be useful.   This
> facility might even be better in the Utility if this helped to keep the
> radio user friendly.   Boy, this list goes on and on but it is good just the
> same.   We are all writing our letters to Santa.
> 
>                   73 Doug EI2CN
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Harper
> Sent: 27 November 2019 17:27
> To: Elecraft list
> Subject: [Elecraft] K4: savable profiles?
> 
> Will the K4 have the ability to save (and then select from) various
> "profiles" so that a user can go from, say, 20m 100-watt CW to 80m 10-watt
> FT8 with all the saved settings (power, mode, bandwidth, audio in/out
> levels) taking effect simply by selecting the chosen profile?
> 
> 
> 
> Tnx/73,
> 
> 
> John AE5X
> https://ae5x.blogspot.com
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From sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 27 15:38:40 2019
From: sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com (stephen shearer)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 15:38:40 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K4: savable profiles?
In-Reply-To: <9ABAA495-0D7A-4AA9-B60D-249F336DB584@widomaker.com>
References: <DBB0D98561D44BE6A594CB87D4126246@DougTPC>
	<9ABAA495-0D7A-4AA9-B60D-249F336DB584@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <9edec311-4c7f-7f5e-d97f-74518aecaf1b@gmail.com>

Yes, that would be nice...

What I want to see (for ALL) utilities is the ability to load into Linux 
without having to compile the utility (I understand .deb files)
Many Linux users are NOT geeks.? I just wanted to get away from W10...
OR have good directions on how to load into the most popular 
distributions like Mint.
xsjt-x loads very easily; .deb files load even on a Raspberry Pi - 
Elecraft could too.

I like the KX3/PX3/amp utility but the K3s/K4 "machine" is more 
sophisticated and NEEDS a more advanced utility, being able to save 
"setup" init files.
It would be a nice addition for the KX line too.

73, steve WB3LGC

On 11/27/19 2:47 PM, Nr4c wrote:
> This would be a nice feature, but, I would rather have the ability to save mic settings like which port, gain, compression, bias and free response settings. At least three or four (or more) mic profiles would be mice.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
>> On Nov 27, 2019, at 12:57 PM, Doug Turnbull <turnbull at net1.ie> wrote:
>>
>> ?Dear OMs and YLs,
>>     Even if this could be done in the K4 Utility it would be useful.   This
>> facility might even be better in the Utility if this helped to keep the
>> radio user friendly.   Boy, this list goes on and on but it is good just the
>> same.   We are all writing our letters to Santa.
>>
>>                    73 Doug EI2CN
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Harper
>> Sent: 27 November 2019 17:27
>> To: Elecraft list
>> Subject: [Elecraft] K4: savable profiles?
>>
>> Will the K4 have the ability to save (and then select from) various
>> "profiles" so that a user can go from, say, 20m 100-watt CW to 80m 10-watt
>> FT8 with all the saved settings (power, mode, bandwidth, audio in/out
>> levels) taking effect simply by selecting the chosen profile?
>>
>>
>>
>> Tnx/73,
>>
>>
>> John AE5X
>> https://ae5x.blogspot.com
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Nov 27 19:06:19 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 16:06:19 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K4: savable profiles?
In-Reply-To: <9edec311-4c7f-7f5e-d97f-74518aecaf1b@gmail.com>
References: <DBB0D98561D44BE6A594CB87D4126246@DougTPC>
	<9ABAA495-0D7A-4AA9-B60D-249F336DB584@widomaker.com>
	<9edec311-4c7f-7f5e-d97f-74518aecaf1b@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D6593859-6900-4B66-B1B8-30CB59096FC7@elecraft.com>

No K4 user will ever have to use -- or even see -- a Linux command. The embedded computer is there to make things simpler, and the operating system will not be something you need to be conscious of. That includes software updates. 

Any internal "apps" (advanced software functions) will be 100% vetted by Elecraft and a team of intrepid pre-testers before it appears in a software update package. You'll know you have a new function available when it appears on a switch selection or in the menu; you won't have to explicitly install it.

Think of the K4 as a Hybrid SDR for Non-Nerds (tm). You can stay focused on exploring the bands, working DX, and experimenting with new modes.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



> On Nov 27, 2019, at 12:38 PM, stephen shearer <sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, that would be nice...
> 
> What I want to see (for ALL) utilities is the ability to load into Linux without having to compile the utility (I understand .deb files)
> Many Linux users are NOT geeks.  I just wanted to get away from W10...
> OR have good directions on how to load into the most popular distributions like Mint.
> xsjt-x loads very easily; .deb files load even on a Raspberry Pi - Elecraft could too.
> 
> I like the KX3/PX3/amp utility but the K3s/K4 "machine" is more sophisticated and NEEDS a more advanced utility, being able to save "setup" init files.
> It would be a nice addition for the KX line too.
> 
> 73, steve WB3LGC
> 
> On 11/27/19 2:47 PM, Nr4c wrote:
>> This would be a nice feature, but, I would rather have the ability to save mic settings like which port, gain, compression, bias and free response settings. At least three or four (or more) mic profiles would be mice.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 27, 2019, at 12:57 PM, Doug Turnbull <turnbull at net1.ie> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Dear OMs and YLs,
>>>    Even if this could be done in the K4 Utility it would be useful.   This
>>> facility might even be better in the Utility if this helped to keep the
>>> radio user friendly.   Boy, this list goes on and on but it is good just the
>>> same.   We are all writing our letters to Santa.
>>> 
>>>                   73 Doug EI2CN
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Harper
>>> Sent: 27 November 2019 17:27
>>> To: Elecraft list
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] K4: savable profiles?
>>> 
>>> Will the K4 have the ability to save (and then select from) various
>>> "profiles" so that a user can go from, say, 20m 100-watt CW to 80m 10-watt
>>> FT8 with all the saved settings (power, mode, bandwidth, audio in/out
>>> levels) taking effect simply by selecting the chosen profile?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tnx/73,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> John AE5X
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Nov 27 18:48:53 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 15:48:53 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K4: savable profiles?
In-Reply-To: <9ABAA495-0D7A-4AA9-B60D-249F336DB584@widomaker.com>
References: <DBB0D98561D44BE6A594CB87D4126246@DougTPC>
	<9ABAA495-0D7A-4AA9-B60D-249F336DB584@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <8871C132-6B4C-45F0-AA59-5EF8C2296955@elecraft.com>

One nice thing about the K4 is its essentially unlimited room for software program/data expansion. It will be able to save full operating profiles, mic settings, and whatever else users agree would be helpful in the future. This is one reason for the front-panel USB jack. 

Wayne
N6KR



> On Nov 27, 2019, at 11:47 AM, Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
> 
> This would be a nice feature, but, I would rather have the ability to save mic settings like which port, gain, compression, bias and free response settings. At least three or four (or more) mic profiles would be mice. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On Nov 27, 2019, at 12:57 PM, Doug Turnbull <turnbull at net1.ie> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Dear OMs and YLs,
>>   Even if this could be done in the K4 Utility it would be useful.   This
>> facility might even be better in the Utility if this helped to keep the
>> radio user friendly.   Boy, this list goes on and on but it is good just the
>> same.   We are all writing our letters to Santa.
>> 
>>                  73 Doug EI2CN
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Harper
>> Sent: 27 November 2019 17:27
>> To: Elecraft list
>> Subject: [Elecraft] K4: savable profiles?
>> 
>> Will the K4 have the ability to save (and then select from) various
>> "profiles" so that a user can go from, say, 20m 100-watt CW to 80m 10-watt
>> FT8 with all the saved settings (power, mode, bandwidth, audio in/out
>> levels) taking effect simply by selecting the chosen profile?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Tnx/73,
>> 
>> 
>> John AE5X


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Nov 27 20:06:23 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 17:06:23 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K4: savable profiles?
In-Reply-To: <5ef42349-b0ea-c983-a05b-ab9f4674c98e@gmail.com>
References: <DBB0D98561D44BE6A594CB87D4126246@DougTPC>
	<9ABAA495-0D7A-4AA9-B60D-249F336DB584@widomaker.com>
	<9edec311-4c7f-7f5e-d97f-74518aecaf1b@gmail.com>
	<D6593859-6900-4B66-B1B8-30CB59096FC7@elecraft.com>
	<5ef42349-b0ea-c983-a05b-ab9f4674c98e@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01569C13-C053-4881-898D-E374FEC54D1D@elecraft.com>


> stephen shearer <sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Wayne, HAVE a great Thanksgiving...

Thanks! Ditto to you & all.


> I may not have been clear.
> I am tired of W10...

Me too, and I don't even use it :)


> I do like the idea of initialization files for different usage (contest, DX, casual), if different.
> One click to re-set all the settings, although I always just set the KX3 and operated...
> Although, it would be nice to be able to save all the settings (mike, AF, Power, etc) for my FT8 stuff and a different set of settings for SSB...

Definitely. That is already in the works.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> 
> 73, steve WB3LGC




From wunder at wunderwood.org  Wed Nov 27 20:09:34 2019
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 17:09:34 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K4: savable profiles?
In-Reply-To: <01569C13-C053-4881-898D-E374FEC54D1D@elecraft.com>
References: <DBB0D98561D44BE6A594CB87D4126246@DougTPC>
	<9ABAA495-0D7A-4AA9-B60D-249F336DB584@widomaker.com>
	<9edec311-4c7f-7f5e-d97f-74518aecaf1b@gmail.com>
	<D6593859-6900-4B66-B1B8-30CB59096FC7@elecraft.com>
	<5ef42349-b0ea-c983-a05b-ab9f4674c98e@gmail.com>
	<01569C13-C053-4881-898D-E374FEC54D1D@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <E875820B-FF2E-4658-AE5B-7E92D5B835D3@wunderwood.org>

Savable and shareable would be excellent. Split the options from the calibration parameters.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Nov 27, 2019, at 5:06 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> stephen shearer <sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Wayne, HAVE a great Thanksgiving...
> 
> Thanks! Ditto to you & all.
> 
> 
>> I may not have been clear.
>> I am tired of W10...
> 
> Me too, and I don't even use it :)
> 
> 
>> I do like the idea of initialization files for different usage (contest, DX, casual), if different.
>> One click to re-set all the settings, although I always just set the KX3 and operated...
>> Although, it would be nice to be able to save all the settings (mike, AF, Power, etc) for my FT8 stuff and a different set of settings for SSB...
> 
> Definitely. That is already in the works.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
>> 
>> 73, steve WB3LGC
> 
> 
> 
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From sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 27 19:59:34 2019
From: sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com (stephen shearer)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 19:59:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K4: savable profiles?
In-Reply-To: <D6593859-6900-4B66-B1B8-30CB59096FC7@elecraft.com>
References: <DBB0D98561D44BE6A594CB87D4126246@DougTPC>
	<9ABAA495-0D7A-4AA9-B60D-249F336DB584@widomaker.com>
	<9edec311-4c7f-7f5e-d97f-74518aecaf1b@gmail.com>
	<D6593859-6900-4B66-B1B8-30CB59096FC7@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <5ef42349-b0ea-c983-a05b-ab9f4674c98e@gmail.com>

Wayne, HAVE a great Thanksgiving...

I wasn't "knocking" the K4 (I have one on order)...

I would like to see my KX3/PX3 etc. utilities for my laptop (Linux Mint) 
easier to load.
But, I do need to sit down and figure out how to load them as it is more 
than a double-click.
I may not have been clear.
I am tired of W10...

I do like the idea of initialization files for different usage (contest, 
DX, casual), if different.
One click to re-set all the settings, although I always just set the KX3 
and operated...
Although, it would be nice to be able to save all the settings (mike, 
AF, Power, etc) for my FT8 stuff and a different set of settings for SSB...
"Although" pen-paper works, too.

73, steve WB3LGC

On 11/27/19 7:06 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> No K4 user will ever have to use -- or even see -- a Linux command. The embedded computer is there to make things simpler, and the operating system will not be something you need to be conscious of. That includes software updates.
>
> Any internal "apps" (advanced software functions) will be 100% vetted by Elecraft and a team of intrepid pre-testers before it appears in a software update package. You'll know you have a new function available when it appears on a switch selection or in the menu; you won't have to explicitly install it.
>
> Think of the K4 as a Hybrid SDR for Non-Nerds (tm). You can stay focused on exploring the bands, working DX, and experimenting with new modes.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
>> On Nov 27, 2019, at 12:38 PM, stephen shearer <sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, that would be nice...
>>
>> What I want to see (for ALL) utilities is the ability to load into Linux without having to compile the utility (I understand .deb files)
>> Many Linux users are NOT geeks.  I just wanted to get away from W10...
>> OR have good directions on how to load into the most popular distributions like Mint.
>> xsjt-x loads very easily; .deb files load even on a Raspberry Pi - Elecraft could too.
>>
>> I like the KX3/PX3/amp utility but the K3s/K4 "machine" is more sophisticated and NEEDS a more advanced utility, being able to save "setup" init files.
>> It would be a nice addition for the KX line too.
>>
>> 73, steve WB3LGC
>>
>> On 11/27/19 2:47 PM, Nr4c wrote:
>>> This would be a nice feature, but, I would rather have the ability to save mic settings like which port, gain, compression, bias and free response settings. At least three or four (or more) mic profiles would be mice.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> ...nr4c. bill
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Nov 27, 2019, at 12:57 PM, Doug Turnbull <turnbull at net1.ie> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Dear OMs and YLs,
>>>>     Even if this could be done in the K4 Utility it would be useful.   This
>>>> facility might even be better in the Utility if this helped to keep the
>>>> radio user friendly.   Boy, this list goes on and on but it is good just the
>>>> same.   We are all writing our letters to Santa.
>>>>
>>>>                    73 Doug EI2CN
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>>> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Harper
>>>> Sent: 27 November 2019 17:27
>>>> To: Elecraft list
>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] K4: savable profiles?
>>>>
>>>> Will the K4 have the ability to save (and then select from) various
>>>> "profiles" so that a user can go from, say, 20m 100-watt CW to 80m 10-watt
>>>> FT8 with all the saved settings (power, mode, bandwidth, audio in/out
>>>> levels) taking effect simply by selecting the chosen profile?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tnx/73,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John AE5X
>>>> https://ae5x.blogspot.com
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From elecraftcovers at gmail.com  Wed Nov 27 20:17:44 2019
From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 18:17:44 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Happy Thanksgiving all
Message-ID: <CAK+fsRXSNETSnTe7ngwuC-JJbXO+4mrNvUcO_83gp3-VRgiZ2w@mail.gmail.com>

Ken and I wish a happy Thanksgiving for each of you and your family.

73 / 88

Ken and Rose
K0PP & N7HKW

From gkidder at ilstu.edu  Wed Nov 27 20:23:24 2019
From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (Kidder, George)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 01:23:24 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K4: savable profiles?
In-Reply-To: <E875820B-FF2E-4658-AE5B-7E92D5B835D3@wunderwood.org>
References: <DBB0D98561D44BE6A594CB87D4126246@DougTPC>
	<9ABAA495-0D7A-4AA9-B60D-249F336DB584@widomaker.com>
	<9edec311-4c7f-7f5e-d97f-74518aecaf1b@gmail.com>
	<D6593859-6900-4B66-B1B8-30CB59096FC7@elecraft.com>
	<5ef42349-b0ea-c983-a05b-ab9f4674c98e@gmail.com>
	<01569C13-C053-4881-898D-E374FEC54D1D@elecraft.com>
	<E875820B-FF2E-4658-AE5B-7E92D5B835D3@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <e2e06d87-bdb8-96c2-e93c-61e1c72f2706@ilstu.edu>

The commands in the Programmer's Reference can all be executed from a 
macro in FLdigi, and I suspect from many other add-on programs as well.? 
This takes care of most of my needs for the K3, and I would expect the 
K4 would be similar.

73 - George, W3HBM


On 11/27/2019 8:09 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
> [This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to abuse at ilstu.edu<mailto:abuse at ilstu.edu>]
>
> Savable and shareable would be excellent. Split the options from the calibration parameters.
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>
>> On Nov 27, 2019, at 5:06 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> stephen shearer <sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Wayne, HAVE a great Thanksgiving...
>> Thanks! Ditto to you & all.
>>
>>
>>> I may not have been clear.
>>> I am tired of W10...
>> Me too, and I don't even use it :)
>>
>>
>>> I do like the idea of initialization files for different usage (contest, DX, casual), if different.
>>> One click to re-set all the settings, although I always just set the KX3 and operated...
>>> Although, it would be nice to be able to save all the settings (mike, AF, Power, etc) for my FT8 stuff and a different set of settings for SSB...
>> Definitely. That is already in the works.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
>>> 73, steve WB3LGC
>>
>>
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Nov 27 20:54:41 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 17:54:41 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K4: savable profiles?
In-Reply-To: <e2e06d87-bdb8-96c2-e93c-61e1c72f2706@ilstu.edu>
References: <DBB0D98561D44BE6A594CB87D4126246@DougTPC>
	<9ABAA495-0D7A-4AA9-B60D-249F336DB584@widomaker.com>
	<9edec311-4c7f-7f5e-d97f-74518aecaf1b@gmail.com>
	<D6593859-6900-4B66-B1B8-30CB59096FC7@elecraft.com>
	<5ef42349-b0ea-c983-a05b-ab9f4674c98e@gmail.com>
	<01569C13-C053-4881-898D-E374FEC54D1D@elecraft.com>
	<E875820B-FF2E-4658-AE5B-7E92D5B835D3@wunderwood.org>
	<e2e06d87-bdb8-96c2-e93c-61e1c72f2706@ilstu.edu>
Message-ID: <D7170EAB-0824-46EE-BBE6-72FF619BF417@elecraft.com>


> On Nov 27, 2019, at 5:23 PM, Kidder, George <gkidder at ilstu.edu> wrote:
> 
> The commands in the Programmer's Reference can all be executed from a 
> macro in FLdigi, and I suspect from many other add-on programs as well.  
> This takes care of most of my needs for the K3, and I would expect the 
> K4 would be similar.

Yes. 

The K4 will have many more commands, all "direct." There will be no need for "indirect" commands, i.e. those that do switch/knob/display emulation, though we may keep a very small number of these for backwards compatibility with some computer applications.

The K4 also has more user-programmable controls in general, including PF1-4 (vs. PF1-2) for direct menu assignment, and up to 14 Fn controls with more general application including switch-sequence recording.

Wayne
N6KR



> 
> 73 - George, W3HBM
> 
> 
> On 11/27/2019 8:09 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
>> [This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to abuse at ilstu.edu<mailto:abuse at ilstu.edu>]
>> 
>> Savable and shareable would be excellent. Split the options from the calibration parameters.
>> 
>> wunder
>> K6WRU
>> Walter Underwood
>> CM87wj
>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>> 
>>> On Nov 27, 2019, at 5:06 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> stephen shearer <sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Wayne, HAVE a great Thanksgiving...
>>> Thanks! Ditto to you & all.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I may not have been clear.
>>>> I am tired of W10...
>>> Me too, and I don't even use it :)
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I do like the idea of initialization files for different usage (contest, DX, casual), if different.
>>>> One click to re-set all the settings, although I always just set the KX3 and operated...
>>>> Although, it would be nice to be able to save all the settings (mike, AF, Power, etc) for my FT8 stuff and a different set of settings for SSB...
>>> Definitely. That is already in the works.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 73, steve WB3LGC
>>> 
>>> 
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From k9ma at sdellington.us  Wed Nov 27 23:36:07 2019
From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 22:36:07 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K4: savable profiles?
In-Reply-To: <E875820B-FF2E-4658-AE5B-7E92D5B835D3@wunderwood.org>
References: <DBB0D98561D44BE6A594CB87D4126246@DougTPC>
	<9ABAA495-0D7A-4AA9-B60D-249F336DB584@widomaker.com>
	<9edec311-4c7f-7f5e-d97f-74518aecaf1b@gmail.com>
	<D6593859-6900-4B66-B1B8-30CB59096FC7@elecraft.com>
	<5ef42349-b0ea-c983-a05b-ab9f4674c98e@gmail.com>
	<01569C13-C053-4881-898D-E374FEC54D1D@elecraft.com>
	<E875820B-FF2E-4658-AE5B-7E92D5B835D3@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <be0197e9-005a-2f0a-14f6-ff8ffeca8001@sdellington.us>

On 11/27/2019 19:09, Walter Underwood wrote:
> Split the options from the calibration parameters.

I'll second that. For example, it would be great to be able to take all 
those option setting on my radio, put them on a USB stick, and load them 
on another radio at a multi-op station. Obviously, one would not want to 
change the calibration of that radio.

73,

Scott K9MA

-- 
Scott  K9MA

k9ma at sdellington.us


From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Nov 28 08:54:53 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 08:54:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K4: savable profiles?
In-Reply-To: <be0197e9-005a-2f0a-14f6-ff8ffeca8001@sdellington.us>
References: <be0197e9-005a-2f0a-14f6-ff8ffeca8001@sdellington.us>
Message-ID: <C93FB9AD-56E5-4D01-8238-221A4BE226BE@widomaker.com>

This feature should be added to the present Utility programs for existing radios. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Nov 27, 2019, at 11:38 PM, K9MA <k9ma at sdellington.us> wrote:
> 
> ?On 11/27/2019 19:09, Walter Underwood wrote:
>> Split the options from the calibration parameters.
> 
> I'll second that. For example, it would be great to be able to take all those option setting on my radio, put them on a USB stick, and load them on another radio at a multi-op station. Obviously, one would not want to change the calibration of that radio.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Scott K9MA
> 
> -- 
> Scott  K9MA
> 
> k9ma at sdellington.us
> 
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From jstreet at uwaterloo.ca  Thu Nov 28 09:06:56 2019
From: jstreet at uwaterloo.ca (Joseph Street)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 14:06:56 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] New to the list
Message-ID: <9a9a6198e1454aeb82dcefc37b927060@uwaterloo.ca>

I had sent this replay yesterday but just realized it only went to K4TO and not back to the list.  Thanks to all who responded with your kind welcome messages.

Like Kevin I have been inactive for decades but recently decided to jump back in.  I am rather limited antenna wise at home but I did construct a well made 6 ft dia copper pipe magloop with vacuum variable over the summer which should be reasonably efficient on 30 and 40m although it will tune down as low as 80m but efficiency will be poor and the Q is about 1450 so it's very narrow down that end.  The home QTH is horrible with electrical noise I've discovered after installing a KiwiSDR but using a loop on ground seems to make a huge S/N improvement with the broad band RX situation.  The good news is all the Elecraft stuff was nicely packaged into a gator case so I can easily take it out where I can put up a better antenna in the field.  I have a couple of 31 ft poles and have constructed a 20m half square which should be a good performer especially as cycle 25 picks up over the next few years.  A bunch of extras came along with the gear from W6QR including a nifty book but I've already started diving into the manuals. I got a helluva good deal on this stuff. Pretty exciting times!

Joe


From dick.w7zr at gmail.com  Thu Nov 28 09:10:56 2019
From: dick.w7zr at gmail.com (Richard Zalewski)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 07:10:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4: savable profiles?
In-Reply-To: <C93FB9AD-56E5-4D01-8238-221A4BE226BE@widomaker.com>
References: <be0197e9-005a-2f0a-14f6-ff8ffeca8001@sdellington.us>
	<C93FB9AD-56E5-4D01-8238-221A4BE226BE@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <CACVQm3mxLSgmXWB2bMxaoGiAkVw8JmRhjQ_V5cWTZa1AcA7s1g@mail.gmail.com>

Absolutely great idea/feature

Richard
*W7ZR* ex:5C5Z, CN2ZR, K2JSP, W6SBZ, W7KXR, K9ZIJ, W9KNF, W0KDF, W0MQU,
J68ZR, KC6ZR, PJ4/W7ZR, KH2,W7ZR, KH6/W7ZR, V31ZR, VK4AAZ, XE2DV


*Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer*


On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 6:56 AM Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:

> This feature should be added to the present Utility programs for existing
> radios.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
> > On Nov 27, 2019, at 11:38 PM, K9MA <k9ma at sdellington.us> wrote:
> >
> > ?On 11/27/2019 19:09, Walter Underwood wrote:
> >> Split the options from the calibration parameters.
> >
> > I'll second that. For example, it would be great to be able to take all
> those option setting on my radio, put them on a USB stick, and load them on
> another radio at a multi-op station. Obviously, one would not want to
> change the calibration of that radio.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Scott K9MA
> >
> > --
> > Scott  K9MA
> >
> > k9ma at sdellington.us
> >
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From sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 28 10:05:49 2019
From: sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com (stephen shearer)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 10:05:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K4: savable profiles?
In-Reply-To: <7d5f7e5a79f54351aa9b2828ebf1a010@uwaterloo.ca>
References: <DBB0D98561D44BE6A594CB87D4126246@DougTPC>
	<9ABAA495-0D7A-4AA9-B60D-249F336DB584@widomaker.com>
	<9edec311-4c7f-7f5e-d97f-74518aecaf1b@gmail.com>
	<D6593859-6900-4B66-B1B8-30CB59096FC7@elecraft.com>
	<5ef42349-b0ea-c983-a05b-ab9f4674c98e@gmail.com>
	<7d5f7e5a79f54351aa9b2828ebf1a010@uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <aa84ea29-eddd-00a6-2293-5ec4021ca0f7@gmail.com>

Joe, welcome to "Elecraft" and Mint...

I have been using Mint since March ???? I used another form of Linus 
with another laptop.? Liked it but don't remember why I went back to W7 
(then).
Not new to computers, just tired of W10 messing my system settings.? I 
think I update Mint a few times a week but since it doesn't mess things, 
all goes well.

I am currently using my KX3 with a "headless" Raspberry Pi running 
wsjt-x for FT8.? I was in the kitchen this morning, stuffing the turkey 
and operating FT8 80m on my laptop with a VNC link to the "shack"...? 
Yes, any excuse to eat.? My parents, parents, parents... did come to the 
"new" world on the Mayflower back in 1620, so it IS required and my 
father said that his side of the family was here to meet and help the 
new settlers...

I have enjoyed the Elecraft rigs.? I built a 10w K2, I have the 
KX3/PX3/amp(what ever the number is), and looking forward to having a 
"full time" shack radio.? The KX3 combo will become my full time 
portable rig, no shack time...


The reflector is a great place to ask questions...


73, steve WB3LGC


On 11/28/19 9:00 AM, Joseph Street wrote:
>
> Hi Steve
>
>
> I saw your comment about Linux mint.? Just this week I installed it 
> which is my first experience with Linux but like you I am just fed up 
> with windows calling the shots on me all the time.? I may need to pick 
> your brain one day, I think this used KX3/PX3 and amp combo I just got 
> is all up to date firmware wise (the previous owner says) but I'm sure 
> one day I'm going to want to connect things to my PC.
>
>
> Best regards and happy holidays
>
> Joe ve3vxo
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
> <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of stephen shearer 
> <sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* November 27, 2019 7:59:34 PM
> *To:* Wayne Burdick
> *Cc:* Elecraft Reflector
> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] K4: savable profiles?
> Wayne, HAVE a great Thanksgiving...
>
> I wasn't "knocking" the K4 (I have one on order)...
>
> I would like to see my KX3/PX3 etc. utilities for my laptop (Linux Mint)
> easier to load.
> But, I do need to sit down and figure out how to load them as it is more
> than a double-click.
> I may not have been clear.
> I am tired of W10...
>
> I do like the idea of initialization files for different usage (contest,
> DX, casual), if different.
> One click to re-set all the settings, although I always just set the KX3
> and operated...
> Although, it would be nice to be able to save all the settings (mike,
> AF, Power, etc) for my FT8 stuff and a different set of settings for 
> SSB...
> "Although" pen-paper works, too.
>
> 73, steve WB3LGC
>
> On 11/27/19 7:06 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> > No K4 user will ever have to use -- or even see -- a Linux command. 
> The embedded computer is there to make things simpler, and the 
> operating system will not be something you need to be conscious of. 
> That includes software updates.
> >
> > Any internal "apps" (advanced software functions) will be 100% 
> vetted by Elecraft and a team of intrepid pre-testers before it 
> appears in a software update package. You'll know you have a new 
> function available when it appears on a switch selection or in the 
> menu; you won't have to explicitly install it.
> >
> > Think of the K4 as a Hybrid SDR for Non-Nerds (tm). You can stay 
> focused on exploring the bands, working DX, and experimenting with new 
> modes.
> >
> > 73,
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Nov 27, 2019, at 12:38 PM, stephen shearer 
> <sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes, that would be nice...
> >>
> >> What I want to see (for ALL) utilities is the ability to load into 
> Linux without having to compile the utility (I understand .deb files)
> >> Many Linux users are NOT geeks.? I just wanted to get away from W10...
> >> OR have good directions on how to load into the most popular 
> distributions like Mint.
> >> xsjt-x loads very easily; .deb files load even on a Raspberry Pi - 
> Elecraft could too.
> >>
> >> I like the KX3/PX3/amp utility but the K3s/K4 "machine" is more 
> sophisticated and NEEDS a more advanced utility, being able to save 
> "setup" init files.
> >> It would be a nice addition for the KX line too.
> >>
> >> 73, steve WB3LGC
> >>
> >> On 11/27/19 2:47 PM, Nr4c wrote:
> >>> This would be a nice feature, but, I would rather have the ability 
> to save mic settings like which port, gain, compression, bias and free 
> response settings. At least three or four (or more) mic profiles would 
> be mice.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>> ...nr4c. bill
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Nov 27, 2019, at 12:57 PM, Doug Turnbull <turnbull at net1.ie> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> ?Dear OMs and YLs,
> >>>>???? Even if this could be done in the K4 Utility it would be 
> useful.?? This
> >>>> facility might even be better in the Utility if this helped to 
> keep the
> >>>> radio user friendly.?? Boy, this list goes on and on but it is 
> good just the
> >>>> same.?? We are all writing our letters to Santa.
> >>>>
> >>>>??????????????????? 73 Doug EI2CN
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> >>>> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Harper
> >>>> Sent: 27 November 2019 17:27
> >>>> To: Elecraft list
> >>>> Subject: [Elecraft] K4: savable profiles?
> >>>>
> >>>> Will the K4 have the ability to save (and then select from) various
> >>>> "profiles" so that a user can go from, say, 20m 100-watt CW to 
> 80m 10-watt
> >>>> FT8 with all the saved settings (power, mode, bandwidth, audio in/out
> >>>> levels) taking effect simply by selecting the chosen profile?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Tnx/73,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> John AE5X
> >>>> https://ae5x.blogspot.com
> >>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From jstreet at uwaterloo.ca  Thu Nov 28 10:24:19 2019
From: jstreet at uwaterloo.ca (Joseph Street)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 15:24:19 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K4: savable profiles?
In-Reply-To: <aa84ea29-eddd-00a6-2293-5ec4021ca0f7@gmail.com>
References: <DBB0D98561D44BE6A594CB87D4126246@DougTPC>
	<9ABAA495-0D7A-4AA9-B60D-249F336DB584@widomaker.com>
	<9edec311-4c7f-7f5e-d97f-74518aecaf1b@gmail.com>
	<D6593859-6900-4B66-B1B8-30CB59096FC7@elecraft.com>
	<5ef42349-b0ea-c983-a05b-ab9f4674c98e@gmail.com>
	<7d5f7e5a79f54351aa9b2828ebf1a010@uwaterloo.ca>,
	<aa84ea29-eddd-00a6-2293-5ec4021ca0f7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3cfa427471544e1e84068b6bec272987@uwaterloo.ca>

Steve,


You and I have a few things in common.  One half of my family came in 1650's and my other ancestors Mi'Kmak people probably kept them from dying of scurvy over the winter.  By the way, the Queen of England owes our folks about 4 billion dollars and the UN has asked her to pay up but so far just silence from windsor castle. Probably too busy trying to figure out what to do with Andrew right now.


Thanks for the greeting.  I'll listen for you on the air.

Joe

________________________________
From: stephen shearer <sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com>
Sent: November 28, 2019 10:05:49 AM
To: Joseph Street; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4: savable profiles?


Joe, welcome to "Elecraft" and Mint...

I have been using Mint since March ??   I used another form of Linus with another laptop.  Liked it but don't remember why I went back to W7 (then).
Not new to computers, just tired of W10 messing my system settings.  I think I update Mint a few times a week but since it doesn't mess things, all goes well.

I am currently using my KX3 with a "headless" Raspberry Pi running wsjt-x for FT8.  I was in the kitchen this morning, stuffing the turkey and operating FT8 80m on my laptop with a VNC link to the "shack"...  Yes, any excuse to eat.  My parents, parents, parents... did come to the "new" world on the Mayflower back in 1620, so it IS required and my father said that his side of the family was here to meet and help the new settlers...

I have enjoyed the Elecraft rigs.  I built a 10w K2, I have the KX3/PX3/amp(what ever the number is), and looking forward to having a "full time" shack radio.  The KX3 combo will become my full time portable rig, no shack time...


The reflector is a great place to ask questions...


73, steve WB3LGC


On 11/28/19 9:00 AM, Joseph Street wrote:

Hi Steve


I saw your comment about Linux mint.  Just this week I installed it which is my first experience with Linux but like you I am just fed up with windows calling the shots on me all the time.  I may need to pick your brain one day, I think this used KX3/PX3 and amp combo I just got is all up to date firmware wise (the previous owner says) but I'm sure one day I'm going to want to connect things to my PC.


Best regards and happy holidays

Joe ve3vxo

________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net><mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of stephen shearer <sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com><mailto:sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com>
Sent: November 27, 2019 7:59:34 PM
To: Wayne Burdick
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4: savable profiles?

Wayne, HAVE a great Thanksgiving...

I wasn't "knocking" the K4 (I have one on order)...

I would like to see my KX3/PX3 etc. utilities for my laptop (Linux Mint)
easier to load.
But, I do need to sit down and figure out how to load them as it is more
than a double-click.
I may not have been clear.
I am tired of W10...

I do like the idea of initialization files for different usage (contest,
DX, casual), if different.
One click to re-set all the settings, although I always just set the KX3
and operated...
Although, it would be nice to be able to save all the settings (mike,
AF, Power, etc) for my FT8 stuff and a different set of settings for SSB...
"Although" pen-paper works, too.

73, steve WB3LGC

On 11/27/19 7:06 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> No K4 user will ever have to use -- or even see -- a Linux command. The embedded computer is there to make things simpler, and the operating system will not be something you need to be conscious of. That includes software updates.
>
> Any internal "apps" (advanced software functions) will be 100% vetted by Elecraft and a team of intrepid pre-testers before it appears in a software update package. You'll know you have a new function available when it appears on a switch selection or in the menu; you won't have to explicitly install it.
>
> Think of the K4 as a Hybrid SDR for Non-Nerds (tm). You can stay focused on exploring the bands, working DX, and experimenting with new modes.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
>> On Nov 27, 2019, at 12:38 PM, stephen shearer <sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com><mailto:sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, that would be nice...
>>
>> What I want to see (for ALL) utilities is the ability to load into Linux without having to compile the utility (I understand .deb files)
>> Many Linux users are NOT geeks.  I just wanted to get away from W10...
>> OR have good directions on how to load into the most popular distributions like Mint.
>> xsjt-x loads very easily; .deb files load even on a Raspberry Pi - Elecraft could too.
>>
>> I like the KX3/PX3/amp utility but the K3s/K4 "machine" is more sophisticated and NEEDS a more advanced utility, being able to save "setup" init files.
>> It would be a nice addition for the KX line too.
>>
>> 73, steve WB3LGC
>>
>> On 11/27/19 2:47 PM, Nr4c wrote:
>>> This would be a nice feature, but, I would rather have the ability to save mic settings like which port, gain, compression, bias and free response settings. At least three or four (or more) mic profiles would be mice.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> ...nr4c. bill
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Nov 27, 2019, at 12:57 PM, Doug Turnbull <turnbull at net1.ie><mailto:turnbull at net1.ie> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Dear OMs and YLs,
>>>>     Even if this could be done in the K4 Utility it would be useful.   This
>>>> facility might even be better in the Utility if this helped to keep the
>>>> radio user friendly.   Boy, this list goes on and on but it is good just the
>>>> same.   We are all writing our letters to Santa.
>>>>
>>>>                    73 Doug EI2CN
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
>>>> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Harper
>>>> Sent: 27 November 2019 17:27
>>>> To: Elecraft list
>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] K4: savable profiles?
>>>>
>>>> Will the K4 have the ability to save (and then select from) various
>>>> "profiles" so that a user can go from, say, 20m 100-watt CW to 80m 10-watt
>>>> FT8 with all the saved settings (power, mode, bandwidth, audio in/out
>>>> levels) taking effect simply by selecting the chosen profile?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tnx/73,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John AE5X
>>>> https://ae5x.blogspot.com
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Thu Nov 28 11:37:10 2019
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 10:37:10 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] 2 meter internal module
Message-ID: <3BE4D63A-1250-4189-869B-1F5E755A6F17@gmail.com>

So I sold my KX3 (sigh) and anticipate some time over the holidays  to open up my K3 radios, adding filters, etc.

A while ago, I purchased what I was told was the internal 2 meter module for the K3.

Lo and behold I find out that I did not receive the K144XV for the K3 but received the KX3-2M for KX3.

Not clear if I will look for the right module or sell the KX3-2M for KX3.



Off line if you are interested in the KX3-2M for KX3.


-73-  Frank    KG9H
kg9hfrank at gmail.com




From ockmrzr at gmail.com  Thu Nov 28 12:26:40 2019
From: ockmrzr at gmail.com (ockmrzr at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 10:26:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3s Roofing Filters
Message-ID: <05ba01d5a610$fff19e50$ffd4daf0$@gmail.com>

K3/K3s Users,

 

I recently purchased a used K3, the previous owner was a Phone guy, I am
not.  I removed all the roofing filters he had installed and installed ones
that suite my operating habits.  I now have several roofing filters that I
won't use; they are for sale.

 

1x KFL3A-6K, 6kHz AM Filter

 

1x KFL3A-2.8, 2.8 kHz Roofing Filter

 

2x KFL3A-1.8, 1.8 kHz Roofing Filter

 

2x KFL3A-500, 500 Hz CW/DATA Roofing Filter

 

If you are interested in purchasing any or all, please email direct at
n7ty at arrl.net <mailto:n7ty at arrl.net>  for details.

 

73 de Bruce, N7TY

Yuma, AZ

www.qsl.net/n7ty <http://www.qsl.net/n7ty> 

 


From eric at elecraft.com  Thu Nov 28 16:12:43 2019
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 13:12:43 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Black Friday Specials are up
Message-ID: <ACEAC078-2A26-4AD7-8FE9-3FFB18D6E886@elecraft.com>

We've activated our Black Friday specials early!

Click on the Black Friday Specials banner at the top of the page at elecraft.com to get all the details.

73,
Eric
elecraft.com
_..._



From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Nov 28 17:51:24 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 17:51:24 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3s Roofing Filters
In-Reply-To: <05ba01d5a610$fff19e50$ffd4daf0$@gmail.com>
References: <05ba01d5a610$fff19e50$ffd4daf0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d8e02aeb-3607-7abc-6af0-d3fef42ce4ba@embarqmail.com>

Bruce,

You will need the 2.8 kHz filter unless you install the 2.7 kHz filter.
That filter MUST be configured for transmit on all modes except for AM 
and FM which need wider filters.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/28/2019 12:26 PM, ockmrzr at gmail.com wrote:
> K3/K3s Users,
> 
>   
> 
> I recently purchased a used K3, the previous owner was a Phone guy, I am
> not.  I removed all the roofing filters he had installed and installed ones
> that suite my operating habits.  I now have several roofing filters that I
> won't use; they are for sale.
> 
>   
> 
> 1x KFL3A-6K, 6kHz AM Filter
> 
>   
> 
> 1x KFL3A-2.8, 2.8 kHz Roofing Filter
> 
>   
> 
> 2x KFL3A-1.8, 1.8 kHz Roofing Filter
> 
>   
> 
> 2x KFL3A-500, 500 Hz CW/DATA Roofing Filter
> 

From ockmrzr at gmail.com  Thu Nov 28 18:03:15 2019
From: ockmrzr at gmail.com (ockmrzr at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 16:03:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3s Roofing Filters
In-Reply-To: <d8e02aeb-3607-7abc-6af0-d3fef42ce4ba@embarqmail.com>
References: <05ba01d5a610$fff19e50$ffd4daf0$@gmail.com>
	<d8e02aeb-3607-7abc-6af0-d3fef42ce4ba@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <084301d5a640$055482c0$0ffd8840$@gmail.com>

I am aware, it is only needed in the main, which there is one.  This is an extra.

73 de Bruce, N7TY
Yuma, AZ
www.qsl.net/n7ty

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> 
Sent: 28 November, 2019 15:51
To: ockmrzr at gmail.com; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/K3s Roofing Filters

Bruce,

You will need the 2.8 kHz filter unless you install the 2.7 kHz filter.
That filter MUST be configured for transmit on all modes except for AM and FM which need wider filters.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/28/2019 12:26 PM, ockmrzr at gmail.com wrote:
> K3/K3s Users,
> 
>   
> 
> I recently purchased a used K3, the previous owner was a Phone guy, I 
> am not.  I removed all the roofing filters he had installed and 
> installed ones that suite my operating habits.  I now have several 
> roofing filters that I won't use; they are for sale.
> 
>   
> 
> 1x KFL3A-6K, 6kHz AM Filter
> 
>   
> 
> 1x KFL3A-2.8, 2.8 kHz Roofing Filter
> 
>   
> 
> 2x KFL3A-1.8, 1.8 kHz Roofing Filter
> 
>   
> 
> 2x KFL3A-500, 500 Hz CW/DATA Roofing Filter
> 


From ebasilier at cox.net  Thu Nov 28 18:10:28 2019
From: ebasilier at cox.net (Erik B)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 16:10:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Sound cards for digital modes
Message-ID: <1e8701d5a641$07fc06a0$17f413e0$@cox.net>

I am thinning my collection of sound cards, all high-quality units in great
condition, suitable for digital modes: ASUS Xonar U7 (USB, 2 units, $50
each, plus shipping), Tascam US-100 (USB, 1 unit, $50 plus shipping),
M-Audio Audiophile 2496 (1 unit, PCI internal card, includes MIDI, $35 plus
shipping). Email me off list if interested.

73,

Erik K7TV


From dave at nk7z.net  Thu Nov 28 20:49:47 2019
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 17:49:47 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Black Friday Specials are up
In-Reply-To: <ACEAC078-2A26-4AD7-8FE9-3FFB18D6E886@elecraft.com>
References: <ACEAC078-2A26-4AD7-8FE9-3FFB18D6E886@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <e2067f0a-2fa6-e78c-27d7-b0c6fcd2b006@nk7z.net>

...and you have a lot of dead image files at:
https://elecraft.com/

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 11/28/19 1:12 PM, Eric Swartz wrote:
> We've activated our Black Friday specials early!
> 
> Click on the Black Friday Specials banner at the top of the page at elecraft.com to get all the details.
> 
> 73,
> Eric
> elecraft.com
> _..._
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> 
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net
> 

From dave at nk7z.net  Thu Nov 28 20:52:37 2019
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 17:52:37 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Black Friday Specials are up
In-Reply-To: <e2067f0a-2fa6-e78c-27d7-b0c6fcd2b006@nk7z.net>
References: <ACEAC078-2A26-4AD7-8FE9-3FFB18D6E886@elecraft.com>
	<e2067f0a-2fa6-e78c-27d7-b0c6fcd2b006@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <b5cd2c67-bf65-2b6b-16a4-655e5f53d4fc@nk7z.net>

That did not take long to fix...  :)

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 11/28/19 5:49 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
> ...and you have a lot of dead image files at:
> https://elecraft.com/
> 
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL Technical Specialist
> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
> 
> On 11/28/19 1:12 PM, Eric Swartz wrote:
>> We've activated our Black Friday specials early!
>>
>> Click on the Black Friday Specials banner at the top of the page at 
>> elecraft.com to get all the details.
>>
>> 73,
>> Eric
>> elecraft.com
>> _..._
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>> Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net
>>
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> 
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net

From ockmrzr at gmail.com  Thu Nov 28 21:11:47 2019
From: ockmrzr at gmail.com (ockmrzr at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 19:11:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3s Roofing Filters
In-Reply-To: <05ba01d5a610$fff19e50$ffd4daf0$@gmail.com>
References: <05ba01d5a610$fff19e50$ffd4daf0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <098a01d5a65a$5b20ee90$1162cbb0$@gmail.com>

Update below.

 

From: ockmrzr at gmail.com <ockmrzr at gmail.com> 
Sent: 28 November, 2019 10:27
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: K3/K3s Roofing Filters

 

K3/K3s Users,

 

I recently purchased a used K3, the previous owner was a Phone guy, I am
not.  I removed all the roofing filters he had installed and installed ones
that suite my operating habits.  I now have several roofing filters that I
won't use; they are for sale.

 

1x KFL3A-6K, 6kHz AM Filter - SOLD

 

1x KFL3A-2.8, 2.8 kHz Roofing Filter - SOLD

 

2x KFL3A-1.8, 1.8 kHz Roofing Filter

 

2x KFL3A-500, 500 Hz CW/DATA Roofing Filter

 

If you are interested in purchasing any or all, please email direct at
n7ty at arrl.net <mailto:n7ty at arrl.net>  for details.

 

73 de Bruce, N7TY

Yuma, AZ

www.qsl.net/n7ty <http://www.qsl.net/n7ty> 

 


From arm at uniontel.net  Fri Nov 29 11:55:45 2019
From: arm at uniontel.net (Rick A.)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 10:55:45 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] F/S- Elecraft K2/100
Message-ID: <19fefa7d-16fb-cb67-0fc8-d4834d099d4c@uniontel.net>

I have for sale a pristine condition Elecraft K2-100 serial# 7646. This is my second
K2/100 rig and was meticulously built by me with the following options.
K2, KPA100, KNB2, KSB2, K60XV and K160RX. After completion the radio was
sent to Don Wilhelm, W3FPR for a check over and complete professional
calibration. I have all original paperwork, QRP cover and all cables
required. Does not come with a mic but is wired for Kenwood mic. I have
many photos from during the assembly so you can see the quality of the
build. Price is $1000.00 + shipping.


From hhoyt at mebtel.net  Fri Nov 29 12:00:19 2019
From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 12:00:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Black Friday
Message-ID: <fde6dd46-cb7a-0b79-17d0-c2122ad9b85e@mebtel.net>

Hi all,

We are offering a 10% Black Friday discount to all orders starting today 
and ending Sunday night at 12AM.? This applies to all products including 
ferrites shipped to all destinations domestic and foreign.? Merely enter 
BF19 in the discount code box at checkout.

Thank you for your patronage in the past and 73!

Howie / WA4PSC
www.proaudioeng.com

-- 


From Kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 29 12:17:58 2019
From: Kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net (Scott Bastian)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 09:17:58 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Side KX Black Friday Sale
Message-ID: <mailman.306.1575047892.13233.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Please visit my web site www.gemsproducts.com for all of your Elecraft extras.  You can use coupon code of LOYAL for 10% off your order this weekend! 73 Scott AK6Q

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From randyn1kwf at gmail.com  Fri Nov 29 19:56:15 2019
From: randyn1kwf at gmail.com (Randy Lake)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 19:56:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Elecraft K144XV internal transverter for K3
Message-ID: <CACnmA1M5GSiNxg695gpKX0Qxdcjp7PDENY7VVciMUEURdOmcLA@mail.gmail.com>

Changing up the station....rarely used and like-new and working perfectly.
$270 shipped.

-- 
Randy Lake N1KWF
73 Gunn Rd.
Keene,NH

From rosen.bruce at gmail.com  Fri Nov 29 20:41:05 2019
From: rosen.bruce at gmail.com (K1FFX)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 18:41:05 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] K2 Speaker audio died
Message-ID: <1575078065113-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Half-way through the CQWW CW contest last weekend [conditions, by the way,
were remarkably good!], the speaker audio on my K2 stopped working.  No
sound from either the internal speaker or an external speaker plugged into
the rear jack.  Headphone audio is fine.  One other piece of info: it's a
K2/100; haven't tried it with the low-power cover.

I'd appreciate any suggestions on where I should start looking.  I'm
assuming some component has failed (the K2, built in 2010, is 9 years old).

Thanks very much.

Bruce K1FFX




-----
Bruce Rosen
K1FFX
K2/100 6982 KSB2 KAT100-1 KAF2 KIO2

--
Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/

From k2dt at arrl.net  Fri Nov 29 22:24:36 2019
From: k2dt at arrl.net (Wayne Carlson)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 20:24:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB KXV3A
Message-ID: <036d01d5a72d$b1aba240$1502e6c0$@net>

Anybody have a spare KXV3A that's been replaced with a B?   The only upgrade
for the KXV3  I see on the Elecraft site is to buy a B at $220.  I'm sure
the preamps are great but I'm looking for cheap transverter compatibility
for now.

 

Tnx & 73, Wayne K2DT


From marvwheeler at nwlink.com  Fri Nov 29 23:25:09 2019
From: marvwheeler at nwlink.com (marvwheeler at nwlink.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 20:25:09 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] 1 Khz filter
Message-ID: <000001d5a736$26fc7710$74f56530$@nwlink.com>

Looking for a 1 khz filter.

 

Marv

KG7V


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Nov 29 23:27:59 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 23:27:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] K2 Speaker audio died
In-Reply-To: <1575078065113-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1575078065113-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <a96befb4-7e77-f40e-9c06-2e4d99307816@embarqmail.com>

Bruce,

Your headphone jack is broken and needs to be replaced.
If you don't know how to replace it, take a look at 
https://www.qsl.net/wy3a/Replace_K2_Headphone_Jack.htm.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/29/2019 8:41 PM, K1FFX wrote:
> Half-way through the CQWW CW contest last weekend [conditions, by the way,
> were remarkably good!], the speaker audio on my K2 stopped working.  No
> sound from either the internal speaker or an external speaker plugged into
> the rear jack.  Headphone audio is fine.  One other piece of info: it's a
> K2/100; haven't tried it with the low-power cover.
> 

From randyn1kwf at gmail.com  Sat Nov 30 10:06:04 2019
From: randyn1kwf at gmail.com (Randy Lake)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 10:06:04 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] SOLD: FS: Elecraft K144XV internal transverter for K3
Message-ID: <CACnmA1OYrbVvMFj2tip4v5_QmAJW48_ox-oEBGE+pcwuUwS7pA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks all. Happy Holidays !

-- 
Randy Lake N1KWF
73 Gunn Rd.
Keene,NH

From casualobservertwo at msn.com  Sat Nov 30 12:25:28 2019
From: casualobservertwo at msn.com (David Fuchs)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 10:25:28 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2 Kit and accessories For Sale $1500.00
Message-ID: <1575134728591-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

 David Fuchs ? Elecraft K2 Kit and accessories For Sale $1500.00	(Unbuilt)
I have a new and unused K2 Kit with the following accessories for sale: 
My cost was over 2300.   Asking $1500.00 Shipped in the USA 
Casualobservertwo at msn.com 

K2         832.57 Ser. No.  007926
        
KAT100-1 369.95 
KAF2        129.95 
KSB2        179.95 
KNB2         89.95 
K160M       79.95 
KIO2          99.95 
KBT2          99.95 
KAT2       219.95 

Toroids    141.50 
        
KUSB       42.85 
KPCA-F   29.95 
E980019   26.76 




--
Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/

From kennedyjp at cableone.net  Sat Nov 30 13:26:03 2019
From: kennedyjp at cableone.net (Jim Kennedy)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 13:26:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Abnormal Behavior
Message-ID: <1523384784.47094013.1575138363707.JavaMail.zimbra@cableone.net>

Fired up my K3 the last couple of mornings and noticed this. As the autotuner was searching for a solution the power output was slowing rising. Not so unusual right . But, after the tuner made a match the K3 was reading about 40w of output. I went into tune mode again (key down), the antenna was matched 1:1 but the output was slowly coming up so I let it continue. A slow climb to full output after about a minute or so was achieved. I have eliminated the tuner as the problem by using it on another transceiver. I'm thinking it may be a heat related issue somewhere, my guess is it's possibly on the PA board and possibly a solder problem, but then again it could be that same issue anywhere in the drive chain. If I don't transmit for a period of time it will repeat but not as bad as from a cold start. No other abnormal behavior has been noted. Any ideas ? Thanks in advance. Serial # 3378 

Jim 
W7OUU 



From clark.macaulay at gmail.com  Sat Nov 30 14:01:58 2019
From: clark.macaulay at gmail.com (Clark Macaulay)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 14:01:58 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Abnormal Behavior
In-Reply-To: <1523384784.47094013.1575138363707.JavaMail.zimbra@cableone.net>
References: <1523384784.47094013.1575138363707.JavaMail.zimbra@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <CA+KWkDg87UqA5UhD9HembVQpuU3ss_koGX5T6V374zV00VnSgw@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

Your unit is about the same age as mine (#3645) which was sent to Elecraft
a few months ago for what I thought would be installation of some upgrades
I couldn't do myself.  Turns out they found (and fixed) several items
including two resistors in the LPA that appeared burned and were replaced
with "more robust components".  Your problem sounds similar to what I had
seen but not as severe.

My K3 came back acting like a new puppy.  I'm not saying yours needs to be
sent in; just wanted to share what my experience with a similar s/n rig had
been.

Cheers,

Clark, WU4B

On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 1:26 PM Jim Kennedy <kennedyjp at cableone.net> wrote:

> Fired up my K3 the last couple of mornings and noticed this. As the
> autotuner was searching for a solution the power output was slowing rising.
> Not so unusual right . But, after the tuner made a match the K3 was reading
> about 40w of output. I went into tune mode again (key down), the antenna
> was matched 1:1 but the output was slowly coming up so I let it continue. A
> slow climb to full output after about a minute or so was achieved. I have
> eliminated the tuner as the problem by using it on another transceiver. I'm
> thinking it may be a heat related issue somewhere, my guess is it's
> possibly on the PA board and possibly a solder problem, but then again it
> could be that same issue anywhere in the drive chain. If I don't transmit
> for a period of time it will repeat but not as bad as from a cold start. No
> other abnormal behavior has been noted. Any ideas ? Thanks in advance.
> Serial # 3378
>
> Jim
> W7OUU
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> Message delivered to clark.macaulay at gmail.com
>


-- 
73,

Clark, WU4B
QRPARCI #10815
SKCC #3892
NAQCC #5055
CWOPS #1869
Collins Collectors #AC90-12432
Southeastern DX Club <http://www.sedxc.org>
North Georgia QRP Club <http://www.nogaqrp.org>


*"It is vain to do with more what can be done with less."*
*Attributed to *William of Occam (1288 AD - 1348 AD)

From marvwheeler at nwlink.com  Sat Nov 30 14:05:45 2019
From: marvwheeler at nwlink.com (marvwheeler at nwlink.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 11:05:45 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Filters for K3S sub receiver
Message-ID: <000001d5a7b1$2b951c20$82bf5460$@nwlink.com>

I am going to install a sub receiver in my K3S and am looking for filters.

Looking for a 2.8 KHz and a 1.0 KHz. Anyone have anything to sell?

 


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Nov 30 14:56:25 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 14:56:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Abnormal Behavior
In-Reply-To: <CA+KWkDg87UqA5UhD9HembVQpuU3ss_koGX5T6V374zV00VnSgw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1523384784.47094013.1575138363707.JavaMail.zimbra@cableone.net>
	<CA+KWkDg87UqA5UhD9HembVQpuU3ss_koGX5T6V374zV00VnSgw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AE8D7E42-EA13-4C58-9AE2-1B11F7E2589E@blomand.net>

My K3S has a bit of a slow power rise after any power change.  I wouldn't say it takes a minute, but I was told this occurs as the power management system makes adjustments. This is done in order to prevent ALC overshoot. 

With the ATU bypassed I have my TUNE power set to 20 watts.  That is adequate for my KAT500 and drives my KPA500 to rated output.  I don't think this affects the K3S ATU tune power. 

73
Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 30, 2019, at 2:01 PM, Clark Macaulay <clark.macaulay at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Jim,
> 
> Your unit is about the same age as mine (#3645) which was sent to Elecraft
> a few months ago for what I thought would be installation of some upgrades
> I couldn't do myself.  Turns out they found (and fixed) several items
> including two resistors in the LPA that appeared burned and were replaced
> with "more robust components".  Your problem sounds similar to what I had
> seen but not as severe.
> 
> My K3 came back acting like a new puppy.  I'm not saying yours needs to be
> sent in; just wanted to share what my experience with a similar s/n rig had
> been.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Clark, WU4B
> 
>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 1:26 PM Jim Kennedy <kennedyjp at cableone.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Fired up my K3 the last couple of mornings and noticed this. As the
>> autotuner was searching for a solution the power output was slowing rising.
>> Not so unusual right . But, after the tuner made a match the K3 was reading
>> about 40w of output. I went into tune mode again (key down), the antenna
>> was matched 1:1 but the output was slowly coming up so I let it continue. A
>> slow climb to full output after about a minute or so was achieved. I have
>> eliminated the tuner as the problem by using it on another transceiver. I'm
>> thinking it may be a heat related issue somewhere, my guess is it's
>> possibly on the PA board and possibly a solder problem, but then again it
>> could be that same issue anywhere in the drive chain. If I don't transmit
>> for a period of time it will repeat but not as bad as from a cold start. No
>> other abnormal behavior has been noted. Any ideas ? Thanks in advance.
>> Serial # 3378
>> 
>> Jim
>> W7OUU
>> 
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> 
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>> Message delivered to clark.macaulay at gmail.com
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 73,
> 
> Clark, WU4B
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From kennedyjp at cableone.net  Sat Nov 30 16:00:40 2019
From: kennedyjp at cableone.net (Jim Kennedy)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 16:00:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Abnormal Behavior
Message-ID: <139958335.47289271.1575147640076.JavaMail.zimbra@cableone.net>

Thanks guys for the responses. I have checked the DC line as Mike K6MKF suggested. No high resistance or abnormalities there. I think it's time to send it to the experts and have them do a "wellness" check on this bad boy. The K3 is an awesome rig and I imagine the "S' and K4 are even better. Again, thanks for the input guys ! This is a great group. 

Jim 
W7OUU 


From k2qmf at juno.com  Sat Nov 30 17:46:04 2019
From: k2qmf at juno.com (Salvatore Ted  K2QMF)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 17:46:04 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500
Message-ID: <Mailbird-d428fc3d-c266-482b-941f-1cd0c4c51695@juno.com>

Hello to all.
I just ordered a new KPA1500 and can't wait to receive it.
Was just wondering if anyone on here has used the 1500?
in a multi TX contest environment??
If so, how did it perform??
Many Thanks for any info one this beautiful amp..
73,
Ted? K2QMF
____________________________________________________________
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From k6mr at outlook.com  Sat Nov 30 18:51:18 2019
From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 23:51:18 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500
In-Reply-To: <Mailbird-d428fc3d-c266-482b-941f-1cd0c4c51695@juno.com>
References: <Mailbird-d428fc3d-c266-482b-941f-1cd0c4c51695@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR07MB621460DED0B2339F158E670B9E410@BYAPR07MB6214.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Not sure what you mean by ?multi TX contest environment?, but I use mine in a SO2R setup.  Two K3s into the single KPA1500.  Works just fine. It?s in the closet and I hardly ever touch it.  It just keeps making watts.

Ken K6MR

From: Salvatore Ted K2QMF<mailto:k2qmf at juno.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 14:47
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500

Hello to all.
I just ordered a new KPA1500 and can't wait to receive it.
Was just wondering if anyone on here has used the 1500
in a multi TX contest environment??
If so, how did it perform??
Many Thanks for any info one this beautiful amp..
73,
Ted  K2QMF
____________________________________________________________
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Med Journal
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sat Nov 30 22:45:44 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 19:45:44 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <e73a00a5-3086-c821-0e3f-e5ce61ad8bce@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? Depending on the timing there may be an accumulation of ice or snow 
tonight.? The power lines are buried for the last few miles but my 
antennas are exposed.? The new location has a younger tree holding the 
middle while the legs are mostly in the clear.? Both ends use hanging 
weights to keep them in place.? Hopefully I have done enough to keep 
this antenna in the sky.? Luckily we're supposed to get two to four 
inches of snow before it warms up and starts raining.? Timing is everything.

 ?? Propagation should be much like last week; nothing to write home 
about.? But that also means the bands should be quiet.? With low solar 
wind the QSB should be less too.? Once the loggers are done thinning I 
can do more antenna work.? A few inches of ice and snow always helps 
especially if I have to solder while standing on the roof.


Please join us tomorrow on:

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday? (2 PM PST Sunday)
 ?7047 kHz at 0000z Monday? (4 PM PST Sunday)

73,

 ?? Kevin. KD5ONS

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