[Elecraft] DXCC, Remoting and Moving Around

[Dauer, Edward]

 It is reported that Glanville Williams, a now SK Professor of Jurisprudence at University College London, once quipped that, "The difference between a difference in kind and a difference in degree is almost always a difference in degree."  I can't verify that, but it's a well-cited legend in my field.

The problems of remoting and moving raised for DXCC, whose rule is all-too simple, were inevitable in an Internet environment and really ought to be updated.  But how?

I began again as Jim did when I moved from Connecticut, at ocean's edge, to Colorado on mountain's peak, although under the DXCC rules my official standing -- which isn't much anyway -- combines the two.  I didn't move for that purpose; but that shouldn't matter.

Remoting is more subtle.  My fixed station is at my mountain QTH, 100 miles from Denver.  My Denver home is HOA-limited and due to foil-backed insulation in every wall is effectively a Faraday cage.  I am looking into remoting by Internet over that 100 miles.  If I do that, I personally would be comfortable adding any new ones to the ones I got while sitting on the mountain.  But there is no way I would feel right about adding an ATNO I snagged if I rented a station on the Atlantic or Pacific coast for the occasion and remoted from Denver to there.  Is that a difference in kind, because I own one and don't own the other?  A difference in degree because one's 100 miles and the other is over 1,000?  How about if I had a summer place on Nantucket and I personally owned the equipment there, operating it remotely from Colorado?  A difference in kind, or a difference in degree?

Again, and as others have said, I compete for me and against me, and I know from where I snagged what.  But some hams compete against other hams and that is, generally speaking, to the good as well.  So what should the rules be?  The WAS rule, I believe, says within a 50 mile radius.  I am one QSL short of 5BWAS because NE on 10 from my side of the Continental Divide in CO has eluded me for more than a decade.  I could drive to the CO/NE state line with a KX3 in the car but that would be a rule violation, so I haven't.   Should there be a radius limit for DXCC as well?  Should remoting be a separate rule of some sort?

I think Professor Williams, who so far as I know was not a ham,  would have enjoyed this imbroglio.

Ted, KN1CBR
    ------------------------------
    
    Message: 22
    Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 19:17:21 -0700
    From: Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net>
    To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
    Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Bouvet
    Message-ID: <0d812939-ee8b-31ef-2258-0980a159d87d at foothill.net>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
    
    I wonder sometimes if DXCC has become an oxymoron of magnitude similar 
    to NTS?? When originally conceived, actually contacting 100 "countries" 
    was a huge endeavor.? Even making transoceanic contacts between the 
    largest of stations was very difficult.? Today's world is so very very 
    different.? When So. Sudan showed up, a new-ish ham said to me, "I've 
    never seen such pileups!"? I told him, "ATNO for everyone and those who 
    sit at the top of the list with 'all' of them need to keep their seats."
    
    After I worked BS7H, I showed my wife a photo of W6RGG at one of the 
    positions.? She said, "You count that rock as a country?"? I started to 
    explain and then passed, the rock is claimed by more than one country of 
    course and I'd already been through it with her over VP6DI.
    
    As I said when I started this, I just wondered recently while in the shower.
    
    73,
    Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
    Sparks NV DM09dn
    Washoe County
    
    On 3/23/2019 6:52 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
    > ?On 3/23/2019 2:34 PM, ab2tc wrote:
    >> But if I work Bouvet using this remote, can I really claim
    >> DXCC credit for myself for it?
    > DXCC rules say that you can count a QSO made from any STATION location 
    > (that is, where RF is transmitted and received,) anywhere in the lower 
    > 48 states.
    >> It would seem exceptionally unfair. Doesn't
    >> ARRL have a rule for as how far you can move from place to place and 
    >> still
    >> claim accumulated DXCC credits?
    >
    > Yep.
    >
    >> I find this highly troubling.
    >
    > Me too. When I moved from Chicago to NorCal 12 years ago I started 
    > over with DXCC. There's a guy who takes pride in being at/near the top 
    > of DXCC on 160M, but he started in CO, then moved to NC.? I strongly 
    > approve of operating remotely from a station that is close to you, 
    > especially if you built the station!? I view with contempt those who 
    > would use remote operation of a station much much closer to DX than 
    > their own, or even rent that station and travel to it, and count QSOs 
    > made from that station for DXCC.
    >
    > 73, Jim K9YC
    
    
    
    ------------------------------