[Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

Don Wilhelm donwilh at embarqmail.com
Wed Mar 20 00:16:26 EDT 2019 

Peter,

If you are trying to use a computer application (DXLab Suite) and such 
which call on other computer applications to do your wishes, I fail to 
understand why you are so adverse to learning the layers of the various 
software application inter-dependencies and setups that relate one 
application to another.

Bob's approach embodies the KISS principle - use one dedicated 
application at a time.  There is no chance that dependencies of one 
software application will interfere with another.

If you chose to use stacked computer applications, then you will have to 
understand the relationships between the various computer applications 
that you have running.  Yes, it can be complex.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/19/2019 11:40 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote:
> I don't disagree with that approach, Bob. As I've been learning in the last few years, complex is nice when you have the brain-power to cope with all the layers upon layers. Now, I'm far more forgetful, and what used to be fun (learning setup/configs) is one of the things that's driving me away from the hobby.
> 
> But that said, I do know how to use a good subset of features of N1MM and DX Labs, based on 18 years of N1MM and just about 10 years of DX Labs. It's just a question of hitting all the right notes (and buttons). I know a lot of guys here rave at the Win4K3 software. I tried it and was extremely impressed--an awful lot of GREAT work went into that program, but it's just too much for me to understand. I'd rather just operate what I know and spend my remaining braincells working guys, not playing computer administrator.
> 
> I'm making a lot of progress tonight both here and on the N1MM reflector (and via email). More later.
> 
>   - pjd
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:05 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
> 
> Well it's just me........I don't run any software to run another software.  Thus no N1MM, no DX Lab, no Winwarbler, no Win4K2 and such. If I want to work RTTY the I use MMTTY.  If I want to work the mode FT-8 or other digital modes,  then I run WSJT-X.   If I want to run PSK-31 or such, I use FLDIGI.   If I want to work CW, I have a Vibroplex on the desk and the keyer is in the radio. There is no other hardware to be configured.
> 
> I'm a firm believer that more software running means more issues to resolve.  I keep mine simple, one at a time.
> 
> Just simple old Bob with a system that works, day in and day out.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> On 3/19/2019 8:56 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote:
>> Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to get it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned it in my initial post. Adding more software that I don’t (and will never) understand is the very last thing I want to do unless there is no way around it.
>>
>> When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY filtering came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and it worked with almost no configuration. I would like to have something similar using AFSK and USB connectivity—specifically the twin-peak brick-wall filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY mode in WinWarbler just puts the radio into LSB mode and that’s it.
>>
>> Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it’s compatible. I’ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I’m almost no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just won’t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it isn’t that hard to do….yet here we are!
>>
>>    
>>
>> - pjd
>>
>>    
>>
>> From: Barry <barrylazar2 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM
>> To: Peter Dougherty <lists at w2irt.net>; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
>>
>>    
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>>       I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when using RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use the AFSK mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The set up should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the radio's built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI just because.
>>
>>    
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>>       The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data mode as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the output of some digital software into the radio and use any available bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a filter for each tone.
>>
>>    
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>>       I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would
>> estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-)
>>
>>    
>>
>>       As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of trouble. Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using the USB connector.  This allows both control of the radio and audio in and out. Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker out. The radio will reflect a com port that will be used for control, use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic control on the front of the radio to set the level for the transmitter such that ALC will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The power level should be set with the knob that controls power. This should be how you set up for FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun!
>>
>>    
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>> 73,
>>
>> Barry
>>
>> K3NDM
>>
>> .
>>
>> ------ Original Message ------
>>
>> From: "Peter Dougherty" <lists at w2irt.net <mailto:lists at w2irt.net> >
>>
>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>>
>> Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM
>>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
>>
>>    
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>> I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I
>> should set
>>
>> my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler
>> exclusively (I
>>
>> don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). I
>> have
>>
>> the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I had a
>>
>> MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt I'll
>> be
>>
>> doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just in case.
>>
>>    
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>> Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for RTTY,
>> just
>>
>> LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built
>> into the
>>
>> K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only using
>> data
>>
>> mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the
>> radio
>>
>> using Data mode for FT8.
>>
>>    
>>
>> Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the
>> right
>>
>> settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as always.
>>
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>> Regards,
>>
>> Peter Dougherty
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