From dave at nk7z.net Fri Mar 1 00:08:12 2019 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 21:08:12 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [ELECRAFT] KPA500 NEW OWNER QUESTIONS....... In-Reply-To: References: <7a6971a8461156c86ca594edb7f7150e@kk9a.com> <269BC11C-8C1C-4004-8636-9BE514CF16BB@gmail.com> Message-ID: Logs? Can you expand on that a bit? Does the KPA500 keep logs? How are they available please? 73s and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net Award Manager, 30MDG Grid Awards ARRL Technical Specialist ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL OOC for Oregon On 2/28/19 1:35 PM, Kevin der Kinderen wrote: It appears, after reviewing the logs, I hit it with 75 watts and probably blew one of the diodes in the front end. From b.denley at comcast.net Fri Mar 1 00:14:37 2019 From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 00:14:37 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [ELECRAFT] KPA500 NEW OWNER QUESTIONS....... In-Reply-To: <94d879b9-a83f-88a8-bdfc-b881cde8fa9c@blomand.net> References: <7a6971a8461156c86ca594edb7f7150e@kk9a.com> <7599e79c-eff1-9cdc-78cc-8951713f0693@sdellington.us> <94d879b9-a83f-88a8-bdfc-b881cde8fa9c@blomand.net> Message-ID: Thanks for that. I never understood the Ameritron ALC instruction for my ALS-600 so I just never used the ALC. That attached instruction was much clearer and made sense. Brian Denley KB1VBF Sent from my iPad > On Feb 28, 2019, at 10:19 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > > This fellow seems to have a good handle on the ALC issue as it relates to overshoot in the transceiver. > > https://www.w8ji.com/alc_exciter_power_overshoot.htm > > > Here Tom goes into the discussion of good ALC vs. bad ALC systems. > > https://www.w8ji.com/ameritron_alc_adjustment.htm > > > 73 > Bob, K4TAX > > > >> On 2/28/2019 8:51 PM, K9MA wrote: >> Many years ago, I built a tube amplifier with what I thought was a fairly sophisticated ALC circuit. I could never get the ALC loop to be stable. I know a lot more about control systems now, but I still don't know how to get ALC around an amplifier to work, and apparently neither does anyone else. What I don't understand is why it's so hard with an external amplifier, as every transmitter has ALC for its internal 100 W amplifier, and that works fine. Why the same design doesn't work with an external amplifier is the mystery. >> >> The problem with just limiting the drive power and using the transmitter's ALC is that, especially for solid state amplifiers, the required drive power can vary considerably with SWR and temperature. That requires either riding the power control continuously or running your amplifier well below rated output most of the time. (Unless, of course, you're running a 2.5 kW amplifier, but that kind of margin is expensive.) So, if anyone could figure out how to get ALC to really work with an amplifier, I think that would be worth paying extra for. >> >> 73, >> Scott K9MA >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From wa6nhc at gmail.com Fri Mar 1 01:15:56 2019 From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 22:15:56 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [ELECRAFT] KPA500 NEW OWNER QUESTIONS....... In-Reply-To: References: <7a6971a8461156c86ca594edb7f7150e@kk9a.com> <269BC11C-8C1C-4004-8636-9BE514CF16BB@gmail.com> Message-ID: <08c6fe8b-75f3-ee60-9b9d-cdeaca86920b@gmail.com> You can pull them via the KPA500 utility; Configuration Tab, Fault table. Rick nhc On 2/28/2019 9:08 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: > Logs? Can you expand on that a bit?? Does the KPA500 keep logs?? How > are they available please? > > 73s and thanks, > Dave (NK7Z) > https://www.nk7z.net > Award Manager, 30MDG Grid Awards > ARRL Technical Specialist > ARRL Volunteer Examiner > ARRL OOC for Oregon > > On 2/28/19 1:35 PM, Kevin der Kinderen wrote: > > It appears, after reviewing the logs, I hit it with 75 watts and > probably blew one of the diodes in the front end. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From hms4 at lehigh.edu Fri Mar 1 08:59:36 2019 From: hms4 at lehigh.edu (Howard Sherer) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 08:59:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KUSB cable needed Message-ID: I must have lost my KUSB cable to connect my KPA 500 to a computer for remote control (9pin male to USB). I have many KXUSB cables. dose anyone have an extra to either sell or trade? Howard AE3T From doc.lock at fast-mail.net Fri Mar 1 09:46:56 2019 From: doc.lock at fast-mail.net (Peter Lock) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 07:46:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Intermittent loss of power output K3 Message-ID: <1551451616478-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Good day Late last year, my K3 (no 6957) developed a fault. The symptoms were: 1. No power output when keying the rig 2. TX LED on when keyed, (sidetone generated in CW mode) 3. Single bar showing on the RF power meter, whatever scale, ie 0 - 10 or 0 - 100 4. ATU tune command: relays clicking, TX LED on, no power output, no indication on SWR meter; two horizontal dashes in the VFO A display area where normally one would see the resolving SWR; in VFO B area 5.0W is indicated 5. TX gain calibration failed on 5W and 50W; mW TX calibration gain OK I contacted Elecraft Support who suspected a failure of the LPA PA transistor(s) and I shipped the rig to Watsonville where Q4 on the LPA board was found to be dead. Q4 and Q5 were replaced, re-biased and tested. On getting the rig back, the same symptoms were present, but lasted only a short while and the rig then performed normally, enough to have a couple of QSOs, but then failed. Since then the same symptoms have been present intermittently. I asked a friend who also has a K3 to try the rig to make sure I was not doing something silly. For about 20 minutes after switch on the symptoms were present, then for no apparent reason the rig performed normally for approximately 10 minutes before failing again. We were testing by repeatedly invoking ATU tune functions on different bands. Since then, the rig will work or not work on switch on; it has worked flawlessly for several hours but sometimes will present only the listed symptoms for several hours after switch on. When it is working, it all works, specifically the TX gain calibration completes normally After several days of performing normally, I relocated the rig to my alternative operating location; it did not work, with the same symptoms. Elecraft Support has been as exemplary as ever, but they are loth for me to return the rig when it may well sit on the test bench being smug and behaving normally. It seems to me that the possibilities are (i) a dry solder joint (ii) a loose connection or (iii) a component on the verge of failing. I think I should next dismantle and reassemble the rig to try to exclude option (ii), and perhaps find either (i) or (iii), although needle and haystack comes to mind... Has anyone suffered similar problems and found a solution, or can someone advise where I should concentrate my search? Peter M0RYB -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From johnbsaxon at yahoo.com Fri Mar 1 10:11:47 2019 From: johnbsaxon at yahoo.com (John Saxon) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 15:11:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Intermittent loss of power output K3 In-Reply-To: <1551451616478-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1551451616478-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1235050515.7583818.1551453107573@mail.yahoo.com> Peter: This is John Saxon, K5ENQ, in Pearland, TX, and I have experienced what appears to be the identical symptoms.? Also have contacted support, got some suggestions, tried them to no avail (mostly dealing with possible rf grounding issues).? Like you, it may operate perfectly for hours or days, then later I need to ATU and I get the same results as yours when yours fails.? My serial #3524.? Like you I am not inclined to send it in for fear it may not fail.? I also experience these somewhat intermittent failures when loading into a dummy load on my bench. I am sorry I have nothing useful to convey, other than that you are not alone? :-)? If anyone does come up with suggestions/solutions, please broadcast to group as there are now at least 2 folks with what appears to be the same issue(s). Good luck to us all,JohnK5ENQ On Friday, March 1, 2019, 8:48:16 AM CST, Peter Lock wrote: Good day Late last year, my K3 (no 6957) developed a fault.? The symptoms were: 1. No power output when keying the rig 2. TX LED on when keyed, (sidetone generated in CW mode) 3. Single bar showing on the RF power meter, whatever scale, ie 0 - 10 or 0 - 100 4. ATU tune command: relays clicking, TX LED on, no power output, no indication on SWR meter; two horizontal dashes in the VFO A display area where normally one would see the resolving SWR; in VFO B area 5.0W is indicated 5. TX gain calibration failed on 5W and 50W;? mW TX calibration gain OK I contacted Elecraft Support who suspected a failure of the LPA PA transistor(s) and I shipped the rig to Watsonville where Q4 on the LPA board was found to be dead.? Q4 and Q5 were replaced, re-biased and tested. On getting the rig back, the same symptoms were present, but lasted only a short while and the rig then performed normally, enough to have a couple of QSOs, but then failed.? Since then the same symptoms have been present intermittently.? I asked a friend who also has a K3 to try the rig to make sure I was not doing something silly.? For about 20 minutes after switch on the symptoms were present, then for no apparent reason the rig performed normally for approximately 10 minutes before failing again.? We were testing by repeatedly invoking ATU tune functions on different bands. Since then, the rig will work or not work on switch on; it has worked flawlessly for several hours but sometimes will present only the listed symptoms for several hours after switch on. When it is working, it all works, specifically the TX gain calibration completes normally After several days of performing normally, I relocated the rig to my alternative operating location; it did not work, with the same symptoms. Elecraft Support has been as exemplary as ever, but they are loth for me to return the rig when it may well sit on the test bench being smug and behaving normally.? It seems to me that the possibilities are? (i) a dry solder joint (ii) a loose connection or (iii) a component on the verge of failing.? I think I should next dismantle and reassemble the rig to try to exclude option (ii), and perhaps find either (i) or (iii), although needle and haystack comes to mind...? Has anyone suffered similar problems and found a solution, or can someone advise where I should concentrate my search? Peter M0RYB -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From raysills3 at verizon.net Fri Mar 1 10:18:08 2019 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Raymond Sills) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 15:18:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Intermittent loss of power output K3 References: <1468778326.7627518.1551453488267.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1468778326.7627518.1551453488267@mail.yahoo.com> What happens when the rig is connected to a dummy load? 73 de RayK2ULRKX3 #211 -----Original Message----- From: John Saxon via Elecraft To: elecraft ; Peter Lock Sent: Fri, Mar 1, 2019 10:12 am Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Intermittent loss of power output K3 Peter: This is John Saxon, K5ENQ, in Pearland, TX, and I have experienced what appears to be the identical symptoms.? Also have contacted support, got some suggestions, tried them to no avail (mostly dealing with possible rf grounding issues).? Like you, it may operate perfectly for hours or days, then later I need to ATU and I get the same results as yours when yours fails.? My serial #3524.? Like you I am not inclined to send it in for fear it may not fail.? I also experience these somewhat intermittent failures when loading into a dummy load on my bench. I am sorry I have nothing useful to convey, other than that you are not alone? :-)? If anyone does come up with suggestions/solutions, please broadcast to group as there are now at least 2 folks with what appears to be the same issue(s). Good luck to us all,JohnK5ENQ ? ? On Friday, March 1, 2019, 8:48:16 AM CST, Peter Lock wrote:? Good day Late last year, my K3 (no 6957) developed a fault.? The symptoms were: 1. No power output when keying the rig 2. TX LED on when keyed, (sidetone generated in CW mode) 3. Single bar showing on the RF power meter, whatever scale, ie 0 - 10 or 0 - 100 4. ATU tune command: relays clicking, TX LED on, no power output, no indication on SWR meter; two horizontal dashes in the VFO A display area where normally one would see the resolving SWR; in VFO B area 5.0W is indicated 5. TX gain calibration failed on 5W and 50W;? mW TX calibration gain OK I contacted Elecraft Support who suspected a failure of the LPA PA transistor(s) and I shipped the rig to Watsonville where Q4 on the LPA board was found to be dead.? Q4 and Q5 were replaced, re-biased and tested. On getting the rig back, the same symptoms were present, but lasted only a short while and the rig then performed normally, enough to have a couple of QSOs, but then failed.? Since then the same symptoms have been present intermittently.? I asked a friend who also has a K3 to try the rig to make sure I was not doing something silly.? For about 20 minutes after switch on the symptoms were present, then for no apparent reason the rig performed normally for approximately 10 minutes before failing again.? We were testing by repeatedly invoking ATU tune functions on different bands. Since then, the rig will work or not work on switch on; it has worked flawlessly for several hours but sometimes will present only the listed symptoms for several hours after switch on. When it is working, it all works, specifically the TX gain calibration completes normally After several days of performing normally, I relocated the rig to my alternative operating location; it did not work, with the same symptoms. Elecraft Support has been as exemplary as ever, but they are loth for me to return the rig when it may well sit on the test bench being smug and behaving normally.? It seems to me that the possibilities are? (i) a dry solder joint (ii) a loose connection or (iii) a component on the verge of failing.? I think I should next dismantle and reassemble the rig to try to exclude option (ii), and perhaps find either (i) or (iii), although needle and haystack comes to mind...? Has anyone suffered similar problems and found a solution, or can someone advise where I should concentrate my search? Peter M0RYB -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Mar 1 10:30:54 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 10:30:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [ELECRAFT] KPA500 NEW OWNER QUESTIONS....... In-Reply-To: <94d879b9-a83f-88a8-bdfc-b881cde8fa9c@blomand.net> References: <7a6971a8461156c86ca594edb7f7150e@kk9a.com> <7599e79c-eff1-9cdc-78cc-8951713f0693@sdellington.us> <94d879b9-a83f-88a8-bdfc-b881cde8fa9c@blomand.net> Message-ID: <14052f3c-86b9-8780-e582-90646eb08f4b@embarqmail.com> In this discussion about ALC, I have to inject a bit of fact. The Elecraft transceivers K2/K3/K3S/KX2/KX3 use a power control system that is different from all other amateur transceivers, and unless there is a problem with the transceiver, there is no power overshoot. In fact, after a band change or a power setting change, the RF starts at a low level and builds up to the power knob setting after a dit time or a few syllables on voice. That means amplifier ALC is not necessary, and if used should never be used for power level control (doing that will cause distortion). W8JI - Tom Rauch is responding to operation with most transceivers driving the amplifier. With the Elecraft transceivers, the amplifier's ALC indicator should never come on unless there is an amplifier fault condition - high SWR, no antenna, etc. Tom W8JI should know - he designed several of the Ameritron amplifiers. Operated properly, there is no need for ALC at all, especially with those amplifiers employing cathode or grid detection of overload. For the amplifiers with more sophisticated fault detection, connecting the ALC line to the driving transceiver is OK because it allows the amplifier to shut down (or reduce power) the transceiver if a fault is detected. As Tom pointed out in at the end of his article, ALC should not be used as a power control mechanism - doing so will only lead to distortion. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/28/2019 10:19 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > This fellow seems to have a good handle on the ALC issue as it relates > to overshoot in the transceiver. > > https://www.w8ji.com/alc_exciter_power_overshoot.htm > > > Here Tom goes into the discussion of good ALC vs. bad ALC systems. > > https://www.w8ji.com/ameritron_alc_adjustment.htm From ve5ra at sasktel.net Fri Mar 1 11:00:28 2019 From: ve5ra at sasktel.net (Doug Renwick) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 10:00:28 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s For Sale Message-ID: For sale Elecraft K3S Transceiver. I am in the process of downsizing due to my age and wish to sell my spare K3S. It resides in Canada and would appeal to a VE as Canadian tax has been paid. Also I have shipped many items to the USA and world wide. Shipping is with the original Elecraft box. Here are the specs: Mint and loaded with maybe 1 hour receive only. Serial # 10619. Factory built and tested with the following: KPA3A-F 100W KAT3A-F ATU E850323-F 5 ppm Oscillator KFL3A-2.7K-F 2.7 Filter KBPF3A-F General Coverage RX KDVR3-F Digital Voice Recorder KFL3A-2.1K-IR-F 2.1 kHz 8 pole filter KFL3A-400-IR-F 400 Hz 8 pole filter KFL3B-FM-IR-F FM 8 pole filter KRX3A-F 2nd RX KFL3A-2.7-F 2.7 kHz 5 pole filter $5343 USD invested. If interested contact me directly at ve5ra at sasktel.net Doug --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From mjwetzel at comcast.net Fri Mar 1 12:06:15 2019 From: mjwetzel at comcast.net (Mike Wetzel) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 12:06:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Split receiving and 2 ears Message-ID: <27FED6A290634F84B7CB473B9A195A77@rockne> Is there an easy way when listening split say 7205 and 7065 (7205 in one ear and 7065 in the other) and then put 2 ears on one frequency or the other quickly? Mike W9RE From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Mar 1 12:14:02 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 12:14:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Split receiving and 2 ears In-Reply-To: <27FED6A290634F84B7CB473B9A195A77@rockne> References: <27FED6A290634F84B7CB473B9A195A77@rockne> Message-ID: Mike, Certainly, put the frequency you want to listen to into VFO A (unless it is already there), and then drop out of SPLIT. Either a one or two button operation. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/1/2019 12:06 PM, Mike Wetzel wrote: > Is there an easy way when listening split say 7205 and 7065 (7205 in one ear > and 7065 in the other) and then put 2 ears on one frequency or the other > quickly? From wa6nhc at gmail.com Fri Mar 1 12:33:15 2019 From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 09:33:15 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Split receiving and 2 ears In-Reply-To: <27FED6A290634F84B7CB473B9A195A77@rockne> References: <27FED6A290634F84B7CB473B9A195A77@rockne> Message-ID: I can give you a scenario? that may make it easier to understand; this presumes you have the sub rx installed. The DX is staying on one TX frequency, put that in the VFO A, leave it alone.? Have your TX set to split on VFO B.? Go into split RX so you can hear both; using the VFO B to listen to the station that the DX is working now (in your right ear). Once you determine (by tracking/listening) to the direction the DX is listening (up, down or not) to work the pileup, you put the VFO B on your intended 'attack' point.? At this time, you can hear what is there, plus the DX.? (This is where a bandscope REALLY pays off, MUCH simpler.) Presuming the DX fades and you need more signal to hear, you turn off split and you're listening only to the DX (VFO A) while VFO B is ready for split TX. If you're listening split for another reason, you make the frequency you need to hear alone in VFO A by pushing the A/B button, then turn off split, two buttons max. 73, Rick nhc On 3/1/2019 9:06 AM, Mike Wetzel wrote: > Is there an easy way when listening split say 7205 and 7065 (7205 in one ear > and 7065 in the other) and then put 2 ears on one frequency or the other > quickly? > > > > Mike W9RE > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From johnbsaxon at yahoo.com Fri Mar 1 12:57:50 2019 From: johnbsaxon at yahoo.com (John Saxon) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 17:57:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Intermittent loss of power output K3 In-Reply-To: <1468778326.7627518.1551453488267@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1468778326.7627518.1551453488267.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1468778326.7627518.1551453488267@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1088736407.7708844.1551463070103@mail.yahoo.com> Ray: I get the same relay chatter, no display of SWR and no output.? Some time later I may do the same ATU and it works.? Appears to do the same thing as when attempting to load an actual antenna. Because this discussion has begun, I think I will set up again on the bench and see if it will fail. Will be later in the day, I will report results. --JohnK5ENQ On Friday, March 1, 2019, 9:19:43 AM CST, Raymond Sills wrote: What happens when the rig is connected to a dummy load? 73 de RayK2ULRKX3 #211 From eric at elecraft.com Fri Mar 1 15:28:20 2019 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 12:28:20 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 F/W 2.09 Beta released. Also new KPA1500 Utility. Message-ID: KPA1500 F/W 2.09 Beta has been released to the elecraft website. It can be downloaded from the support f/w- s/w page in the K-Line\KPA1500 section. F/W 2.09 provides a significant improvement in ATU tuning results. It also an improves the communication of current radio frequency between the K3/K3S and the 1500 via the AUX cable. For those of you upgrading from 2.0, see the full release note list on the Support Firmware and Software page link below. Both of these issues were highlighted in the recent "KPA-1500 tuner question" thread on the Elecraft email list. Our thanks to Scott-K9MA, Walt-WA1KKM, our regular KPA1500 Field Testers and others who have helped us quickly address these issues. We also have a new KPA1500 Utility (Windows Version 1.19.2.21) on the same KPA1500 page. Mac and Linux versions will appear soon. This utility version has several improvements and also fixes a bug where the erase ATU memories Utility button did not always perform the erase. (The erase always worked when done directly from the KPA1500 front panel menu.) The Support Firmware and Software page can be found at: https://elecraft.com/pages/firmware-software The new KPA1500 Utility, 2.09 beta instructions , release notes and a link to the beta download zip file are at the lower part of the KPA1500 section. For those who are familiar with the beta install process, the direct link to the 2.09 zip file directory is: https://ftp.elecraft.com/KPA1500/firmware/beta -- Eric /elecraft.com/ From tom.campie at gmail.com Fri Mar 1 15:46:19 2019 From: tom.campie at gmail.com (TJ Campie) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 15:46:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KUSB cable needed Message-ID: Sabrent USB 2.0 to Serial (9-Pin)... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006AA04K0?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share This one works great with my k3 From reillyjf at gmail.com Fri Mar 1 17:05:15 2019 From: reillyjf at gmail.com (John Reilly) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 15:05:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 RTTY Help Message-ID: Trying to get RTTY running on my KX2, but no luck, so far. The KX2 is setup for WSJTx and works properly (TX and RX) with both straight audio cables to the computer and through a SignaLink USB. My conclusion from this is that the audio connections and audio gains must be set relatively close. Receive problems: I have both MMTTY & 2Tone (via N1MM) setup. In MMTTY, I see no receive trace on the spectrum scope, just a dot in the middle of the XY scope. In 2Tone, I have the familiar two humps, but they are in left sector of the display. Audio gain controls do not seem to effect the display, and I cannot find why the display is displaced. Transmit problem: Both MMTTY and 2Tone transmit; however I just get the carrier, not the Mark and Shift. This occurs with both the SignaLink and direct audio cables from the computer to the KX2. They both TX, so PTT is working. I have tried the above in both DATA A and AFSK A modes. Must be making silly mistake(s).? Help! Thanks. ? - 73,John, N0TA From brianpepperdine at sympatico.ca Fri Mar 1 17:38:39 2019 From: brianpepperdine at sympatico.ca (Brian) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 22:38:39 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] running computer connection while KXPA100 concurrently Message-ID: I am interested in running a KXPA100 with my KX3... but there is something I cannot figure out. IF I am using my KX3 currently with a compter (to use NaP3) I am running the COMM/serial cable from ACC1 to a USB port, as well as the RX I/Q cable to a USB port... right? >From my reading of the manual.. if using the KXPA100 I have to run two cables from ACC1 and ACC2 to an adapter box that then goes to the Control input on the KXPA100. If I am therefore using the ACC1 port for the KXPA100.... I don't have the port available for the computer to see the KX3 info.. right? Therefore NaP3 has no rig or frequency info to use. Or can I use the RS232 (PC) port from the KXPA100 to provide info to the computer (though I would actually NOT want RS-232 physical type port for this... only USB.. since laptops don't generally have RS-232 any longer.) So can I use the Elecraft ACC to USB cable for that? Is there a solution to this setup...... or is it that use of the amp and its requisite interconnections precludes the availability? Its a bit confusing since I know the update info has to be made available somehow FROM the PC and to the KX3 in order to do firmware updates via the KX Utility. By know you will have realized that having NaP3 on my K3 has spoiled me and its a 'must'...otherwise I will just leave my KX3 as a QRP rig only and forget about the KXPA100 operation. Brien VE3VAW Sent from Outlook From wunder at wunderwood.org Fri Mar 1 17:54:05 2019 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 14:54:05 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] running computer connection while KXPA100 concurrently In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <718BAE55-3650-434C-97B6-8E32EF231C8E@wunderwood.org> I think pages 12 and 13 of the KXPA100 manual are pretty clear. That shows a cable from the KXPA100 to the PC at jack labeled ?RS232 (PC)?. This is the explanation from page 13. "Personal Computer Interface Cable: All communications with both the KX3 transceiver and the KXPA100 amplifier take place through this cable. This cable is not required, but provides enhanced capability to operate the KXPA100 using the KXPA Utility program, for updating firmware in either the KXPA100 or KX3 and other functions (see Utility Program, page 32 for details.) Also, this cable provides communications between your PC and the KX3 through the KXPA100. You do not need to connect the KX3 directly to your computer. Simply load the KX3 Utility program, be sure you have the correct serial port selected, and your computer will find the KX3 as long as it is powered on.? wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Mar 1, 2019, at 2:38 PM, Brian wrote: > > I am interested in running a KXPA100 with my KX3... but there is something I cannot figure out. > IF I am using my KX3 currently with a compter (to use NaP3) I am running the COMM/serial cable from ACC1 to a USB port, as well as the RX I/Q cable to a USB port... right? > > From my reading of the manual.. if using the KXPA100 I have to run two cables from ACC1 and ACC2 to an adapter box that then goes to the Control input on the KXPA100. If I am therefore using the ACC1 port for the KXPA100.... I don't have the port available for the computer to see the KX3 info.. right? Therefore NaP3 has no rig or frequency info to use. > > Or can I use the RS232 (PC) port from the KXPA100 to provide info to the computer (though I would actually NOT want RS-232 physical type port for this... only USB.. since laptops don't generally have RS-232 any longer.) So can I use the Elecraft ACC to USB cable for that? > > Is there a solution to this setup...... or is it that use of the amp and its requisite interconnections precludes the availability? > > Its a bit confusing since I know the update info has to be made available somehow FROM the PC and to the KX3 in order to do firmware updates via the KX Utility. > > By know you will have realized that having NaP3 on my K3 has spoiled me and its a 'must'...otherwise I will just leave my KX3 as a QRP rig only and forget about the KXPA100 operation. > > > Brien VE3VAW > > > Sent from Outlook > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Mar 1 18:05:07 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 18:05:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] running computer connection while KXPA100 concurrently In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7365cc06-ca66-6bde-8f5c-72404b982c9b@embarqmail.com> Brian, With the KX3 and KXPA100, you should be using the optional KX3 to KXPA100 Adapter Cable (KXPACBL) connected as shown on page 14 of the KXPA100 manual. You will then connect the KXUSB cable to the KXPA100 RS232 jack to communicate with either the KX3 or the KXPA100. In other words, only one connection to the PC. The KXPA100 jack is a replication of the KX3 ACC1 jack. That will suffice for the rig control portion of NaP3. In addition, you will need the connection to the soundcard from the RX I/Q jack for the spectral display. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/1/2019 5:38 PM, Brian wrote: > I am interested in running a KXPA100 with my KX3... but there is something I cannot figure out. > IF I am using my KX3 currently with a compter (to use NaP3) I am running the COMM/serial cable from ACC1 to a USB port, as well as the RX I/Q cable to a USB port... right? > >>From my reading of the manual.. if using the KXPA100 I have to run two cables from ACC1 and ACC2 to an adapter box that then goes to the Control input on the KXPA100. If I am therefore using the ACC1 port for the KXPA100.... I don't have the port available for the computer to see the KX3 info.. right? Therefore NaP3 has no rig or frequency info to use. > From bob at hogbytes.com Fri Mar 1 18:09:11 2019 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 16:09:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] running computer connection while KXPA100 concurrently In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1551481751920-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Use the connection on the back of the KXPA100 to the PC with the cable you received with the KX3. -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From wrjohnson45 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 1 18:26:01 2019 From: wrjohnson45 at hotmail.com (William Johnson) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 23:26:01 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 F/W 2.09 Beta released. Also new KPA1500 Utility. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Eric, Thank you for the update. I did find that I needed to reduce transceiver output from where I had it set ~26 W to 21 W to keep within legal output. Other wise no issues. I do use BYP for tuner as I have a remote tuner. 72 & 73, Bill K9YEQ FT'er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100, KAT500, W2, etc. -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 2:28 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 F/W 2.09 Beta released. Also new KPA1500 Utility. KPA1500 F/W 2.09 Beta has been released to the elecraft website. It can be downloaded from the support f/w- s/w page in the K-Line\KPA1500 section. F/W 2.09 provides a significant improvement in ATU tuning results. It also an improves the communication of current radio frequency between the K3/K3S and the 1500 via the AUX cable. For those of you upgrading from 2.0, see the full release note list on the Support Firmware and Software page link below. Both of these issues were highlighted in the recent "KPA-1500 tuner question" thread on the Elecraft email list. Our thanks to Scott-K9MA, Walt-WA1KKM, our regular KPA1500 Field Testers and others who have helped us quickly address these issues. We also have a new KPA1500 Utility (Windows Version 1.19.2.21) on the same KPA1500 page. Mac and Linux versions will appear soon. This utility version has several improvements and also fixes a bug where the erase ATU memories Utility button did not always perform the erase. (The erase always worked when done directly from the KPA1500 front panel menu.) The Support Firmware and Software page can be found at: https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Felecraft.com%2Fpages%2Ffirmware-software&data=02%7C01%7C%7C2c1b9acee83e4bf6fe0108d69e847e62%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636870689222668592&sdata=U1E4SHGRWsoENj9cpjU%2BWTPPJzmNEelSjnQg2OjFuHo%3D&reserved=0 The new KPA1500 Utility, 2.09 beta instructions , release notes and a link to the beta download zip file are at the lower part of the KPA1500 section. For those who are familiar with the beta install process, the direct link to the 2.09 zip file directory is: https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fftp.elecraft.com%2FKPA1500%2Ffirmware%2Fbeta&data=02%7C01%7C%7C2c1b9acee83e4bf6fe0108d69e847e62%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636870689222678597&sdata=gCpSnjfMaIQqiBFY2laIjUN6lif9iZcrK9n7Y3hbIz8%3D&reserved=0 -- Eric /elecraft.com/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.qth.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Felecraft&data=02%7C01%7C%7C2c1b9acee83e4bf6fe0108d69e847e62%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636870689222678597&sdata=bm5ZJWLQdKeZhEVhYO4qlVgKJhiAM9QjsMZmG8Pm5%2F0%3D&reserved=0 Help: https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.qth.net%2Fmmfaq.htm&data=02%7C01%7C%7C2c1b9acee83e4bf6fe0108d69e847e62%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636870689222678597&sdata=G6agF08dzz4PwzHsn78SvQQjCmTUftJxug15nHeJ8cA%3D&reserved=0 Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.qsl.net&data=02%7C01%7C%7C2c1b9acee83e4bf6fe0108d69e847e62%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636870689222678597&sdata=lHB1mbJTKJVLEqmTN%2B0pwpkZ%2BZ0RqfsMvvyjFXQnw2Y%3D&reserved=0 Please help support this email list: https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.qsl.net%2Fdonate.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C2c1b9acee83e4bf6fe0108d69e847e62%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636870689222678597&sdata=OCMPPexE%2B%2F2f%2FV39sMEPQqEAN04TpUL59oSAz9ER%2Ffo%3D&reserved=0 From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Mar 1 18:31:05 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 18:31:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 RTTY Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: John, Do you have the soundcard properly identified to the MMTTY and 2Tone software? 73, Don W3FPR On 3/1/2019 5:05 PM, John Reilly wrote: > Trying to get RTTY running on my KX2, but no luck, so far. > > The KX2 is setup for WSJTx and works properly (TX and RX) with both > straight audio cables to the computer and through a SignaLink USB. My > conclusion from this is that the audio connections and audio gains must > be set relatively close. > > Receive problems: > I have both MMTTY & 2Tone (via N1MM) setup. In MMTTY, I see no receive > trace on the spectrum scope, just a dot in the middle of the XY scope. > In 2Tone, I have the familiar two humps, but they are in left sector of > the display. Audio gain controls do not seem to effect the display, and > I cannot find why the display is displaced. > > Transmit problem: > Both MMTTY and 2Tone transmit; however I just get the carrier, not the > Mark and Shift. This occurs with both the SignaLink and direct audio > cables from the computer to the KX2. They both TX, so PTT is working. > From lee.buller at gmail.com Fri Mar 1 18:40:36 2019 From: lee.buller at gmail.com (Leroy Buller) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 17:40:36 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Intermittent loss of power output K3 In-Reply-To: <1551451616478-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1551451616478-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Look at the two diodes in the SWR/watt meter circuit. These two diode are critical to the operation of the K3. These are the foundation of the K3s ALC implementation. Ive had to replace them. Lee K0WA On Fri, Mar 1, 2019, 8:47 AM Peter Lock wrote: > Good day > > Late last year, my K3 (no 6957) developed a fault. The symptoms were: > 1. No power output when keying the rig > 2. TX LED on when keyed, (sidetone generated in CW mode) > 3. Single bar showing on the RF power meter, whatever scale, ie 0 - 10 or 0 > - 100 > 4. ATU tune command: relays clicking, TX LED on, no power output, no > indication on SWR meter; two horizontal dashes in the VFO A display area > where normally one would see the resolving SWR; in VFO B area 5.0W is > indicated > 5. TX gain calibration failed on 5W and 50W; mW TX calibration gain OK > > I contacted Elecraft Support who suspected a failure of the LPA PA > transistor(s) and I shipped the rig to Watsonville where Q4 on the LPA > board > was found to be dead. Q4 and Q5 were replaced, re-biased and tested. > > On getting the rig back, the same symptoms were present, but lasted only a > short while and the rig then performed normally, enough to have a couple of > QSOs, but then failed. Since then the same symptoms have been present > intermittently. I asked a friend who also has a K3 to try the rig to make > sure I was not doing something silly. For about 20 minutes after switch on > the symptoms were present, then for no apparent reason the rig performed > normally for approximately 10 minutes before failing again. We were > testing > by repeatedly invoking ATU tune functions on different bands. Since then, > the rig will work or not work on switch on; it has worked flawlessly for > several hours but sometimes will present only the listed symptoms for > several hours after switch on. > > When it is working, it all works, specifically the TX gain calibration > completes normally > > After several days of performing normally, I relocated the rig to my > alternative operating location; it did not work, with the same symptoms. > > Elecraft Support has been as exemplary as ever, but they are loth for me to > return the rig when it may well sit on the test bench being smug and > behaving normally. It seems to me that the possibilities are (i) a dry > solder joint (ii) a loose connection or (iii) a component on the verge of > failing. I think I should next dismantle and reassemble the rig to try to > exclude option (ii), and perhaps find either (i) or (iii), although needle > and haystack comes to mind... Has anyone suffered similar problems and > found a solution, or can someone advise where I should concentrate my > search? > > Peter > M0RYB > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From k6mr at outlook.com Fri Mar 1 19:58:42 2019 From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 00:58:42 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 / KAT500 For Sale In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: The new to me KPA1500 seems to be behaving nicely, so time to make some room in the equipment closet. (2) KPA500 amplifiers. Both these amps have the NX1P designed low drive modification. 15-20 watts in for full output. KAT500 Tuner. Completely stock, works as designed. All units working great, no problems since I?ve had them. Excellent physical condition. Please contact off list for additional info, pictures, etc. Ken K6MR k6mr outlook.com From k6mr at outlook.com Sat Mar 2 00:40:31 2019 From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 05:40:31 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 / KAT500 Sold In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: Both amps and tuner have been sold. Thanks for everyone?s interest. Thanks to the list (and Eric!) for the bandwidth. Ken K6MR ________________________________ From: Ken K6MR Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 4:58:42 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector Subject: KPA500 / KAT500 For Sale The new to me KPA1500 seems to be behaving nicely, so time to make some room in the equipment closet. (2) KPA500 amplifiers. Both these amps have the NX1P designed low drive modification. 15-20 watts in for full output. KAT500 Tuner. Completely stock, works as designed. All units working great, no problems since I?ve had them. Excellent physical condition. Please contact off list for additional info, pictures, etc. Ken K6MR k6mr outlook.com From dainiux22 at gmail.com Sat Mar 2 06:11:59 2019 From: dainiux22 at gmail.com (LY4OO) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 04:11:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 PA Temp Reading Unstable In-Reply-To: <1365452707210-7572353.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1365452707210-7572353.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1551525119650-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi PA temp readings jumping from -110C to 110C, looks like troubles with temperature sensor. Where to start dig? Dan LY4OO -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From bconder at yahoo.com Sat Mar 2 09:48:46 2019 From: bconder at yahoo.com (Bob Conder) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 14:48:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 w/RSP2 & SDR uno References: <1295131889.8029017.1551538126523.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1295131889.8029017.1551538126523@mail.yahoo.com> Just bought a K-3 from a friend, so I'm a total newbie.?Apologize if this question has been asked before.Is there a way to connect the SDRplay RSP2 with SDR UNO (or HDSDR) to the K3?Tnx,Bob K4RLC From ve3iay at gmail.com Sat Mar 2 10:07:52 2019 From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 10:07:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 w/RSP2 & SDR uno Message-ID: If your K3 has the KXV3 option installed (a row of 5 BNC connectors just above the CW and PTT keying jacks on the lower right back panel), then there are two ways. 1) Connect the SDR to the IF Out jack and tune the SDR to the K3's IF (8215 kHz). You can receive signals in (or near) the same band as the K3. 2) Connect a jumper from the RX Ant Out jack to a splitter, one output of the splitter to the RX Ant In jack and the other to the SDR, select the RX Ant from the K3's front panel, and tune the SDR to a frequency on the same band or a lower-frequency band (signals on higher-frequency bands are attenuated by the K3's low-pass filters). 73, Rich VE3KI From rjlawn at gmail.com Sat Mar 2 10:30:13 2019 From: rjlawn at gmail.com (Richard Lawn) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 10:30:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Using KAP1500 with non Elecraft exciters Message-ID: I'm considering replacing my KPA500/KAT500 with the 1500. On the shack desk I use a K3 and Icom 7610. Of course the KPA/500/KAT500 combo plays very nicely with the K3, but I seem to be having some tuning issues occasionally with the 7610 particularly if I move to a different part of the band - like the 40m cw portion, where there is a great match, to the SSB section. Things go into default before the tuner reaches a good match. I'm either doing something wrong or there is an issue between the icom and elecraft combo. I'm interested in hearing from hams that are using the new 1500 with non-Elecraft radios and if they have any similar problems. 73 Rick, W2JAZ From jackbrindle at me.com Sat Mar 2 10:33:40 2019 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 07:33:40 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Using KAP1500 with non Elecraft exciters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99954610-2C05-4A51-8F0B-5D108F9AACA7@me.com> Richard; What do you mean by ?things go into default?? The KPA500/KAT500 combo should play very well with the 7610. exactly what are you seeing? Jack Brindle, W6FB Elecraft Engineering > On Mar 2, 2019, at 7:30 AM, Richard Lawn wrote: > > I'm considering replacing my KPA500/KAT500 with the 1500. On the shack desk > I use a K3 and Icom 7610. Of course the KPA/500/KAT500 combo plays very > nicely with the K3, but I seem to be having some tuning issues occasionally > with the 7610 particularly if I move to a different part of the band - like > the 40m cw portion, where there is a great match, to the SSB section. > Things go into default before the tuner reaches a good match. I'm either > doing something wrong or there is an issue between the icom and elecraft > combo. > > I'm interested in hearing from hams that are using the new 1500 with > non-Elecraft radios and if they have any similar problems. > 73 > Rick, W2JAZ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From mark.yergin at gmail.com Sat Mar 2 11:25:21 2019 From: mark.yergin at gmail.com (Mark Yergin) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 11:25:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 High Current Diode D10 Message-ID: I am building a K2 and on the RF board there is diode D10. It's listed as 95SQ015. I cannot find this diode in the RF bags. I do find SR1503 which has the large black body that I'm to be looking for. D12 I found. Do I use SR1503 or am I missing D10? Mark W8EWH From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Mar 2 11:35:06 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 11:35:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 High Current Diode D10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4734db27-9c7a-db4d-5297-9ee1346e454d@embarqmail.com> Mark, Yes, that is the new diode for D10. Unfortunately the manuals have not caught up with the parts available. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/2/2019 11:25 AM, Mark Yergin wrote: > I am building a K2 and on the RF board there is diode D10. It's listed as > 95SQ015. I cannot find this diode in the RF bags. I do find SR1503 which > has the large black body that I'm to be looking for. D12 I found. > > Do I use SR1503 or am I missing D10? From dave at nk7z.net Sat Mar 2 12:27:09 2019 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 09:27:09 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: ALS-1306 1.2 KW Solid State Amp and Elecraft control cable for K3 Message-ID: Hi, I have an ALS-1306 amp, and Elecraft control cable for sale. Bought a KPA-500, so the ALS is no longer needed. If interested, contact me OFF LIST directly at my email. -- 73s and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net Award Manager, 30MDG Grid Awards ARRL Technical Specialist ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL OOC for Oregon From k9yeq at live.com Sat Mar 2 13:45:20 2019 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 18:45:20 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] FS Rainbow Tuner, Solar controller, N7VE LED SWR Bridge, Scorpion Key Message-ID: I have these items, built for sale. They are excess to my needs. Asking 75 for the package including all items, plus a couple of bonus surprises. These are QRP devices and would work well for portable. Used with my KX1. Photos direct email are available. Please reply off list. 73, Bill K9YEQ https://wrj-tech.com/ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Dave Cole (NK7Z) Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 11:27 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] FS: ALS-1306 1.2 KW Solid State Amp and Elecraft control cable for K3 Hi, I have an ALS-1306 amp, and Elecraft control cable for sale. Bought a KPA-500, so the ALS is no longer needed. If interested, contact me OFF LIST directly at my email. -- 73s and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net Award Manager, 30MDG Grid Awards ARRL Technical Specialist ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL OOC for Oregon ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From bconder at yahoo.com Sat Mar 2 14:16:22 2019 From: bconder at yahoo.com (Bob Conder) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 19:16:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 w/RSP2 & SDR uno References: <1253557746.8124896.1551554182766.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1253557746.8124896.1551554182766@mail.yahoo.com> Rich - thanks. The KXV3 is installed. Just need some BNC connectors.Tnx,?Bob K4RLC From: Richard Ferch To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 w/RSP2 & SDR uno If your K3 has the KXV3 option installed (a row of 5 BNC connectors just above the CW and PTT keying jacks on the lower right back panel), then there are two ways. 1) Connect the SDR to the IF Out jack and tune the SDR to the K3's IF (8215 kHz). You can receive signals in (or near) the same band as the K3. 2) Connect a jumper from the RX Ant Out jack to a splitter, one output of the splitter to the RX Ant In jack and the other to the SDR, select the RX Ant from the K3's front panel, and tune the SDR to a frequency on the same band or a lower-frequency band (signals on higher-frequency bands are attenuated by the K3's low-pass filters). 73, Rich VE3KI ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From ko5v at earthlink.net Sat Mar 2 14:30:19 2019 From: ko5v at earthlink.net (Jim KO5V) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 12:30:19 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Elecraft] K2: Flaky 160M switching Message-ID: <1670906803.5528.1551555019958@wamui-kristoff.atl.sa.earthlink.net> After removing and replacing the heatsink panel to install an SMA connector for an IF-out port, 160M is working intermittently. I think I have narrowed it down to a problem with the antenna's BNC connector - It appears to be just slightly spaced away from the inside of the back panel, so when its nut is tightened up, it must be flexing the RF board enough to affect K8. I've loosened up the 2d connectors, to try and bring the connector/RF board into better alignment with the heatsink panel, but every time I tighten up the BNC's nut, 160 eventually dies (I listen to the birdie at 2Mhz). When I switch from a working 160M to 80M and then "tune", 80M gives a "hi-Current" error, and I measure >20W on my external meter. A second "tune", and 80M is back to normal. Switching back to 160M, I find the birdie gone (and no power out). Switching to 160M from a higher-frequency band usually finds 160M working (but not always). I have touched up the solder joints on all components involved with K8 and the BNC on the RF board, and all of the joints on the 160M board. So, I am going to place a shim between the BNC connector, and the heatsink panel and see what happens. Does anyone have any other suggestions? I'm not sure K8 is bad, but maybe the BNC might be? Thanks in advance. 73, Jim KO5V From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Mar 2 15:04:40 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 15:04:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2: Flaky 160M switching In-Reply-To: <1670906803.5528.1551555019958@wamui-kristoff.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <1670906803.5528.1551555019958@wamui-kristoff.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Jim, Loosen the nut on the BNC connector or remove it entirely. Since the BNC jack is soldered to the board, the nut is only there for "pretty" All will work fine without the nut. The nut in any case should only be a bit more than finger tight. "Beefing" the nut up tight can damage the BNC connector (same for the key jack). Yes, tightening the nut up tight is likely bending the RF Board. Check for the possibility that the rear panel is bent a bit in the vicinity of the hole for the BNC jack. As for the high current on 80 meters after moving from a non-functioning 160 meters, that is not unusual. The Drive to the RF Chain is maxed out on 160 and when you move to 80, it will not be reset with a TUNE - normal keying or speech will quickly correct it, but not TUNE until you exit and re-enter TUNE. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/2/2019 2:30 PM, Jim KO5V wrote: > After removing and replacing the heatsink panel to install an SMA connector for an IF-out port, > 160M is working intermittently. I think I have narrowed it down to a problem with the antenna's > BNC connector - It appears to be just slightly spaced away from the inside of the back panel, > so when its nut is tightened up, it must be flexing the RF board enough to affect K8. I've loosened > up the 2d connectors, to try and bring the connector/RF board into better alignment with the heatsink > panel, but every time I tighten up the BNC's nut, 160 eventually dies (I listen to the birdie at 2Mhz). > > When I switch from a working 160M to 80M and then "tune", 80M gives a "hi-Current" error, and I > measure >20W on my external meter. A second "tune", and 80M is back to normal. Switching back to 160M, > I find the birdie gone (and no power out). Switching to 160M from a higher-frequency band usually finds 160M > working (but not always). > > I have touched up the solder joints on all components involved with K8 and the BNC on the RF board, and all > of the joints on the 160M board. > > So, I am going to place a shim between the BNC connector, and the heatsink panel and see what happens. Does > anyone have any other suggestions? I'm not sure K8 is bad, but maybe the BNC might be? From ko5v at earthlink.net Sat Mar 2 15:28:02 2019 From: ko5v at earthlink.net (Jim KO5V) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 13:28:02 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Elecraft] K2: Flaky 160M switching Message-ID: <1421396927.6303.1551558482275@wamui-kristoff.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Thanks Don, With the nut loose, it is much less intermittent. When it does hang up, a tap on the back of the left side panel causes the 2Mhz birdie to return, so I think I'll order a replacement for K8 just in case it's been damaged. With hands like catcher's mitts,"Beefing" fasteners is always an issue for me... The 80M high current behavior I observed is exactly what you describe. 73, Jim KO5V -----Original Message----- >From: Don Wilhelm >Sent: Mar 2, 2019 1:04 PM >To: Jim KO5V , Elecraft List >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2: Flaky 160M switching > >Jim, > >Loosen the nut on the BNC connector or remove it entirely. Since the >BNC jack is soldered to the board, the nut is only there for "pretty" >All will work fine without the nut. The nut in any case should only be >a bit more than finger tight. "Beefing" the nut up tight can damage the >BNC connector (same for the key jack). > >Yes, tightening the nut up tight is likely bending the RF Board. > >Check for the possibility that the rear panel is bent a bit in the >vicinity of the hole for the BNC jack. > >As for the high current on 80 meters after moving from a non-functioning >160 meters, that is not unusual. The Drive to the RF Chain is maxed out >on 160 and when you move to 80, it will not be reset with a TUNE - >normal keying or speech will quickly correct it, but not TUNE until you >exit and re-enter TUNE. > >73, >Don W3FPR > >On 3/2/2019 2:30 PM, Jim KO5V wrote: >> After removing and replacing the heatsink panel to install an SMA connector for an IF-out port, >> 160M is working intermittently. I think I have narrowed it down to a problem with the antenna's >> BNC connector - It appears to be just slightly spaced away from the inside of the back panel, >> so when its nut is tightened up, it must be flexing the RF board enough to affect K8. I've loosened >> up the 2d connectors, to try and bring the connector/RF board into better alignment with the heatsink >> panel, but every time I tighten up the BNC's nut, 160 eventually dies (I listen to the birdie at 2Mhz). >> >> When I switch from a working 160M to 80M and then "tune", 80M gives a "hi-Current" error, and I >> measure >20W on my external meter. A second "tune", and 80M is back to normal. Switching back to 160M, >> I find the birdie gone (and no power out). Switching to 160M from a higher-frequency band usually finds 160M >> working (but not always). >> >> I have touched up the solder joints on all components involved with K8 and the BNC on the RF board, and all >> of the joints on the 160M board. >> >> So, I am going to place a shim between the BNC connector, and the heatsink panel and see what happens. Does >> anyone have any other suggestions? I'm not sure K8 is bad, but maybe the BNC might be? From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Mar 2 15:58:37 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 15:58:37 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2: Flaky 160M switching In-Reply-To: <1421396927.6303.1551558482275@wamui-kristoff.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <1421396927.6303.1551558482275@wamui-kristoff.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5ea17509-8301-b2d9-c4b7-5c88fcd55429@embarqmail.com> Jim, Replacing K8 is not going to do anything for 160 meters.? The relay that switches in the 160 meter low pass filter is K1 on the K160RX board. Try this the next time it happens - while on 160 meters, change the antenna to the RX ANT jack and set the RX ANT menu parameter to ON.? See if you obtain receive.? The RX ANT bypasses the Low Pass Filter. You may have a poor solder connection on the K160RX board or its header. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/2/2019 3:28 PM, Jim KO5V wrote: > Thanks Don, > > With the nut loose, it is much less intermittent. When it does hang up, a tap on the back of the left side panel > causes the 2Mhz birdie to return, so I think I'll order a replacement for K8 just in case it's been damaged. > > With hands like catcher's mitts,"Beefing" fasteners is always an issue for me... > > The 80M high current behavior I observed is exactly what you describe. > > 73, Jim KO5V > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Don Wilhelm >> Sent: Mar 2, 2019 1:04 PM >> To: Jim KO5V , Elecraft List >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2: Flaky 160M switching >> >> Jim, >> >> Loosen the nut on the BNC connector or remove it entirely. Since the >> BNC jack is soldered to the board, the nut is only there for "pretty" >> All will work fine without the nut. The nut in any case should only be >> a bit more than finger tight. "Beefing" the nut up tight can damage the >> BNC connector (same for the key jack). >> >> Yes, tightening the nut up tight is likely bending the RF Board. >> >> Check for the possibility that the rear panel is bent a bit in the >> vicinity of the hole for the BNC jack. >> >> As for the high current on 80 meters after moving from a non-functioning >> 160 meters, that is not unusual. The Drive to the RF Chain is maxed out >> on 160 and when you move to 80, it will not be reset with a TUNE - >> normal keying or speech will quickly correct it, but not TUNE until you >> exit and re-enter TUNE. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 3/2/2019 2:30 PM, Jim KO5V wrote: >>> After removing and replacing the heatsink panel to install an SMA connector for an IF-out port, >>> 160M is working intermittently. I think I have narrowed it down to a problem with the antenna's >>> BNC connector - It appears to be just slightly spaced away from the inside of the back panel, >>> so when its nut is tightened up, it must be flexing the RF board enough to affect K8. I've loosened >>> up the 2d connectors, to try and bring the connector/RF board into better alignment with the heatsink >>> panel, but every time I tighten up the BNC's nut, 160 eventually dies (I listen to the birdie at 2Mhz). >>> >>> When I switch from a working 160M to 80M and then "tune", 80M gives a "hi-Current" error, and I >>> measure >20W on my external meter. A second "tune", and 80M is back to normal. Switching back to 160M, >>> I find the birdie gone (and no power out). Switching to 160M from a higher-frequency band usually finds 160M >>> working (but not always). >>> >>> I have touched up the solder joints on all components involved with K8 and the BNC on the RF board, and all >>> of the joints on the 160M board. >>> >>> So, I am going to place a shim between the BNC connector, and the heatsink panel and see what happens. Does >>> anyone have any other suggestions? I'm not sure K8 is bad, but maybe the BNC might be? From ko5v at earthlink.net Sat Mar 2 16:17:01 2019 From: ko5v at earthlink.net (Jim KO5V) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 14:17:01 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Elecraft] K2: Flaky 160M switching Message-ID: <476276532.6959.1551561421215@wamui-kristoff.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Don, Switching to the RX antenna has no effect. The only thing that seems to work is a tap on the back of the left side panel, at about the 2d connector. That causes the 2Mhz birdie to return. I've touched up all of the solder joints on the 160M board, and on J14. Maybe K1 is bad, but I'll look again for a bad solder joint before going there. Thanks again. 73, Jim KO5V -----Original Message----- >From: Don Wilhelm >Sent: Mar 2, 2019 1:58 PM >To: Jim KO5V , Elecraft List >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2: Flaky 160M switching > >Jim, > >Replacing K8 is not going to do anything for 160 meters.? The relay that >switches in the 160 meter low pass filter is K1 on the K160RX board. > >Try this the next time it happens - while on 160 meters, change the >antenna to the RX ANT jack and set the RX ANT menu parameter to ON.? See >if you obtain receive.? The RX ANT bypasses the Low Pass Filter. > >You may have a poor solder connection on the K160RX board or its header. > >73, >Don W3FPR From parinc1 at frontier.com Sat Mar 2 17:49:52 2019 From: parinc1 at frontier.com (Dale Parfitt) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 17:49:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA3 Long shot- anyone have one to sell? Message-ID: <011501d4d14a$3ff78c40$bfe6a4c0$@frontier.com> Long shot- anyone have one to sell? Tnx, Dale W4OP From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Mar 2 17:51:01 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 17:51:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2: Flaky 160M switching In-Reply-To: <476276532.6959.1551561421215@wamui-kristoff.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <476276532.6959.1551561421215@wamui-kristoff.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Jim, K1 and the entire 160 meter low pass filter is not in the path for the RX ANT, so changing K1 will not help. Remove the top cover (you can operate like that) and tap on things gently with a pencil eraser to see if you can locate the problem. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/2/2019 4:17 PM, Jim KO5V wrote: > Don, > > Switching to the RX antenna has no effect. The only thing that seems to work is a tap on the back > of the left side panel, at about the 2d connector. That causes the 2Mhz birdie to return. I've > touched up all of the solder joints on the 160M board, and on J14. Maybe K1 is bad, but I'll look > again for a bad solder joint before going there. > > Thanks again. 73, > > Jim KO5V > > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Don Wilhelm >> Sent: Mar 2, 2019 1:58 PM >> To: Jim KO5V , Elecraft List >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2: Flaky 160M switching >> >> Jim, >> >> Replacing K8 is not going to do anything for 160 meters.? The relay that >> switches in the 160 meter low pass filter is K1 on the K160RX board. >> >> Try this the next time it happens - while on 160 meters, change the >> antenna to the RX ANT jack and set the RX ANT menu parameter to ON.? See >> if you obtain receive.? The RX ANT bypasses the Low Pass Filter. >> >> You may have a poor solder connection on the K160RX board or its header. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR From ko5v at earthlink.net Sat Mar 2 18:23:56 2019 From: ko5v at earthlink.net (Jim KO5V) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 16:23:56 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Elecraft] K2: Flaky 160M switching Message-ID: <188188039.7626.1551569037262@wamui-kristoff.atl.sa.earthlink.net> OK. One thing common to it all that could be affected by the flexing of the RF board, is the J14 connector assembly. It looks like it could be a bit fragile, since it's so tall. I'll check it again, and then start tapping. Thanks again Don. 73, Jim KO5V -----Original Message----- >From: Don Wilhelm >Sent: Mar 2, 2019 3:51 PM >To: Jim KO5V , Elecraft List >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2: Flaky 160M switching > >Jim, > >K1 and the entire 160 meter low pass filter is not in the path for the >RX ANT, so changing K1 will not help. > >Remove the top cover (you can operate like that) and tap on things >gently with a pencil eraser to see if you can locate the problem. > >73, >Don W3FPR From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Mar 2 18:36:24 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 18:36:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2: Flaky 160M switching In-Reply-To: <188188039.7626.1551569037262@wamui-kristoff.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <188188039.7626.1551569037262@wamui-kristoff.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Jim, Unplug the K160RX and then plug it back in to wipe any oxidation off the pins.? That may or may not help, but is one easy thing to do "just in case". 73, Don W3FPR On 3/2/2019 6:23 PM, Jim KO5V wrote: > OK. One thing common to it all that could be affected by the flexing of the RF board, is the J14 > connector assembly. It looks like it could be a bit fragile, since it's so tall. I'll check it again, > and then start tapping. > > Thanks again Don. 73, > > Jim KO5V > > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Don Wilhelm >> Sent: Mar 2, 2019 3:51 PM >> To: Jim KO5V , Elecraft List >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2: Flaky 160M switching >> >> Jim, >> >> K1 and the entire 160 meter low pass filter is not in the path for the >> RX ANT, so changing K1 will not help. >> >> Remove the top cover (you can operate like that) and tap on things >> gently with a pencil eraser to see if you can locate the problem. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR From k7mdl at hotmail.com Sat Mar 2 19:34:56 2019 From: k7mdl at hotmail.com (Mike Lewis) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 00:34:56 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] XV432 LO changed to DigiLo Synthesizer Message-ID: A few days ago I tried FT-8 on 432 and discovered that my LO was not stable, hopping around several Hz plus drifting up to 40Hz . The 9V LO power was flat in both TX an RX, oven working. pushed, prodded, re-soldered, tuned, detuned, no change. I recently integrated a DigiLo 6GHz PLL synthesizer with a 10Mhz double oven OCXO into my 10GHz system and it is no rock solid. It has 255 preprogrammed frequencies, 404MHz being #2. So today I removed C82 (coupling cap to L5 filter section) and U2 (the LO 78L09 regulator). Drilled a hole near the power connector for a small SMA bulkhead connector. RG316 run from that to the C80 side of C82 PCB pad, soldered the shield to the L3 can. Set LO power jumper block to 1-2 so only on when the XV432 is selected. Nothing to warm up inside the XV432 any longer. The oven still powers up, but the rest of the LO is powered down so no matter. I wanted to keep all the parts inside and this can be backed out easily. I soldered the 78L09 to the nearby ground test clip loop so it could be found easily someday. The Digilo is around +2dBm output and the XV432 mixer wants closer to 17dBm. Fortunately there is a MMIC amp between the LO filter and mixer (fed from the LO power jumper blocks). Feeding the Digilo at C80 runs it through L5 filter section and TP1 is at 3.1VDC. Good enough. Happy to say it is working great, super weak beacons I was hearing before are now spot on, 0 drift, and the K3 offset correction (XVx OFS) is set to 0. Next up is to package the DigiLo and OCXO into a standalone metal case, add logic (CPU or 8-3bit encoder) to read the band decoder to auto set the correct LO frequency for different transverters. I am using my KRC2 -> TTL SP4T coax relay control lines for that. Will also add a manual programming switch. Then will convert the XV22 and my DEMI 902 an 1296 transverters, and of course the 10GHz system. I previously changed the PA module from the Toshiba to the Mitsubishi module. Retuned the front end, it is ready for FT-8 and other digital modes now. Mike, K7MDL From k7mdl at hotmail.com Sat Mar 2 21:20:27 2019 From: k7mdl at hotmail.com (Mike Lewis) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 02:20:27 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] XV432 LO changed to DigiLo Synthesizer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Little typo with big impact The line I recently integrated a DigiLo 6GHz PLL synthesizer with a 10Mhz double oven OCXO into my 10GHz system and it is no rock solid. Should be Should be I recently integrated a DigiLo 6GHz PLL synthesizer with a 10Mhz double oven OCXO into my 10GHz system and it is NOW rock solid. It works well?? From: Mike Lewis Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 19:35 To: 'elecraft at mailman.qth.net' Subject: XV432 LO changed to DigiLo Synthesizer A few days ago I tried FT-8 on 432 and discovered that my LO was not stable, hopping around several Hz plus drifting up to 40Hz . The 9V LO power was flat in both TX an RX, oven working. pushed, prodded, re-soldered, tuned, detuned, no change. I recently integrated a DigiLo 6GHz PLL synthesizer with a 10Mhz double oven OCXO into my 10GHz system and it is no rock solid. It has 255 preprogrammed frequencies, 404MHz being #2. So today I removed C82 (coupling cap to L5 filter section) and U2 (the LO 78L09 regulator). Drilled a hole near the power connector for a small SMA bulkhead connector. RG316 run from that to the C80 side of C82 PCB pad, soldered the shield to the L3 can. Set LO power jumper block to 1-2 so only on when the XV432 is selected. Nothing to warm up inside the XV432 any longer. The oven still powers up, but the rest of the LO is powered down so no matter. I wanted to keep all the parts inside and this can be backed out easily. I soldered the 78L09 to the nearby ground test clip loop so it could be found easily someday. The Digilo is around +2dBm output and the XV432 mixer wants closer to 17dBm. Fortunately there is a MMIC amp between the LO filter and mixer (fed from the LO power jumper blocks). Feeding the Digilo at C80 runs it through L5 filter section and TP1 is at 3.1VDC. Good enough. Happy to say it is working great, super weak beacons I was hearing before are now spot on, 0 drift, and the K3 offset correction (XVx OFS) is set to 0. Next up is to package the DigiLo and OCXO into a standalone metal case, add logic (CPU or 8-3bit encoder) to read the band decoder to auto set the correct LO frequency for different transverters. I am using my KRC2 -> TTL SP4T coax relay control lines for that. Will also add a manual programming switch. Then will convert the XV22 and my DEMI 902 an 1296 transverters, and of course the 10GHz system. I previously changed the PA module from the Toshiba to the Mitsubishi module. Retuned the front end, it is ready for FT-8 and other digital modes now. Mike, K7MDL From kevinr at coho.net Sat Mar 2 22:11:05 2019 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 19:11:05 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <3509ba0e-0646-ef15-3562-cc54aef48315@coho.net> Good Evening, ?? Two whole days have passed with no snow fall.? What a relief, February was interminable.? But even with the warmer temperatures it will take a while for all the ice and heavy snow to melt.? It sure is nice to see the sun again. ? While the sun remains as blank as it was all February the solar wind is causing aurora and a steady hiss.? If the noise is not too bad propagation should be better than it has been.? I expect to hear those of you in 4 land and am hoping for a few from the 2s and 3s.? Even though we are near the bottom of the solar cycle there is still some propagation to be found. Please join us tomorrow on: 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday? (2 PM PST Sunday) ?7047 kHz at 0000z Monday? (4 PM PST Sunday) 73, ?? Kevin. KD5ONS I met a traveller from an antique land Who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand, Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command Tell that its sculptor well those passions read Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things, The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed. And on the pedestal these words appear: `My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings: Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!' Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare, The lone and level sands stretch far away". _ From nerevarthelord at gmail.com Sun Mar 3 07:39:37 2019 From: nerevarthelord at gmail.com (Ilya) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 15:39:37 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] High SWR when running above 12w on 160,80m Message-ID: Hi Gentlemen! Recently I got some strange behaviour in my K3/100 #4413, looking for any ideas. When running more than 12 watts on 3.5 and especially 1.8 mhz, the internal meter shows higher SWR values. The higher the power is set - the higher the showings are. Like when the power is 20w - it shows smth near 2.0, when the power is set to 50w - it shows 3.0 and says 'HI SWR'. If I tune antenna with ATU prior to transmitting - the values are lower, but overall behaviour is reproduced. Everything looks fine on 40 meters and higher. But: 1. External meter shows normal SWR like 1.2-1.5 (the real one - the same as my antenna analyzer shows). 2. If power level is set lower than 11.9 watts - the problem does not persist (internal meter shows 1 or 2 segments). Given the description above - I guess something should be wrong in the 100w amplifier? Looking for any advice. Thanks and 73! 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Thank you for your reply. Best regards, Roger M?nker DL2YDP From dl2ydp at darc.de Sun Mar 3 09:04:35 2019 From: dl2ydp at darc.de (=?UTF-8?Q?Roger_M=c3=bcnker?=) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 15:04:35 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Account Message-ID: <4919b0ad-1ff7-5628-0094-2bcf8021acfe@darc.de> Hello, I, Roger Muenker (DL2YDP) have cancelled my account at Elecraft, but still get emails from Elecraft. What do I have to do to stop receiving emails? Thank you for your reply. Best regards, Roger M?nker DL2YDP From ppauly at gmail.com Sun Mar 3 09:06:19 2019 From: ppauly at gmail.com (Peter Pauly) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 14:06:19 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] My email account In-Reply-To: <449933a1-e6a3-4826-00c9-ad27efd7a451@darc.de> References: <449933a1-e6a3-4826-00c9-ad27efd7a451@darc.de> Message-ID: The instructions are right in the email - in the headers: List-Unsubscribe: , On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 2:02 PM Roger M?nker wrote: > Hello, > > I, Roger Muenker (DL2YDP) have cancelled my account at Elecraft, but > still get emails from Elecraft. What do I have to do to stop receiving > emails? Thank you for your reply. > > Best regards, Roger M?nker DL2YDP > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From phils at riousa.com Sun Mar 3 11:39:52 2019 From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 08:39:52 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Sunday net In-Reply-To: <1710358939.7690905.1551571516973@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1710358939.7690905.1551571516973.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1710358939.7690905.1551571516973@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0D9CBDB8-A634-4334-8380-4BEC2D1DF997@riousa.com> I will try to check in, but I am antenna challenged. We had 16? of heavy, wet snow this past week, and it turned my quad into a mass of twisted wires and broken fiberglass spreaders. I probably won?t be heard very well. Does anyone know if the KAT500 antenna to band assignment can be done without the utility? I need to assign 20 meters to connect to my still intact CFZ antenna, but the old PC laptop seems to have gone out to lunch. Thanks and 73, Phil, NS7P > On Mar 2, 2019, at 4:05 PM, Eric Lanzl wrote: > > Hello, > > As it turns out I will be here after all. I came down with a case of pneumonia and did not go out of town. I also see that there is a contest going on. I will try to conduct the net and if it is too difficult we will wait until next week. > > Eric WB9JNZ From zabarnick at gmail.com Sun Mar 3 11:52:30 2019 From: zabarnick at gmail.com (Steve Zabarnick) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 11:52:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] SWR meter with K3 2M module Message-ID: Is the SWR meter supposed to work when the 2 meter module is being used in the K3? I don't see much of a response even with no antenna connected, which should show a very high SWR. Steve N9SZ From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Mar 3 11:54:29 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 11:54:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sunday net In-Reply-To: <0D9CBDB8-A634-4334-8380-4BEC2D1DF997@riousa.com> References: <1710358939.7690905.1551571516973.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1710358939.7690905.1551571516973@mail.yahoo.com> <0D9CBDB8-A634-4334-8380-4BEC2D1DF997@riousa.com> Message-ID: <4c546b28-0870-a819-0239-dac49d4f11b2@embarqmail.com> Phil, Yes, the KAT500 will remember the last selected antenna by band. See page 15 of the KAT500 user's manual. Sorry to hear about your quad. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/3/2019 11:39 AM, Phil Shepard wrote: > I will try to check in, but I am antenna challenged. We had 16? of heavy, wet snow this past week, and it turned my quad into a mass of twisted wires and broken fiberglass spreaders. I probably won?t be heard very well. > > Does anyone know if the KAT500 antenna to band assignment can be done without the utility? I need to assign 20 meters to connect to my still intact CFZ antenna, but the old PC laptop seems to have gone out to lunch. > > Thanks and 73, > Phil, NS7P > > >> On Mar 2, 2019, at 4:05 PM, Eric Lanzl wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> As it turns out I will be here after all. I came down with a case of pneumonia and did not go out of town. I also see that there is a contest going on. I will try to conduct the net and if it is too difficult we will wait until next week. >> >> Eric WB9JNZ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From nr4c at widomaker.com Sun Mar 3 12:28:14 2019 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 12:28:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Account In-Reply-To: <4919b0ad-1ff7-5628-0094-2bcf8021acfe@darc.de> References: <4919b0ad-1ff7-5628-0094-2bcf8021acfe@darc.de> Message-ID: Go to the bottom of your email and click on the first link below the line. Read the info and follow directions there. This mailing list has nothing to do with any account with Elecraft. You jones it yourself at some time and you must in-subscribe yourself now. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 3, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Roger M?nker wrote: > > Hello, > > I, Roger Muenker (DL2YDP) have cancelled my account at Elecraft, but still get emails from Elecraft. What do I have to do to stop receiving emails? Thank you for your reply. > > Best regards, Roger M?nker DL2YDP > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From wb5xx at suddenlink.net Sun Mar 3 13:15:16 2019 From: wb5xx at suddenlink.net (wb5xx) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 12:15:16 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Beta Utility Message-ID: <5E48F219D2C74E98BCBE36A3FD8C7531@Grant1935> The new Beta version seems to have lost the output wattage display.I am not a fan of the remote version so now I have to rely on an external wattmeter for output numbers.My amp is located away from my operating position.Have not seen anyone else report this. From jim at n7us.net Sun Mar 3 13:23:01 2019 From: jim at n7us.net (Jim N7US) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 12:23:01 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Beta Utility In-Reply-To: <5E48F219D2C74E98BCBE36A3FD8C7531@Grant1935> References: <5E48F219D2C74E98BCBE36A3FD8C7531@Grant1935> Message-ID: <046a01d4d1ee$233981e0$69ac85a0$@n7us.net> I see power output with V. 1.19.2.21. Jim N7US -----Original Message----- The new Beta version seems to have lost the output wattage display.I am not a fan of the remote version so now I have to rely on an external wattmeter for output numbers.My amp is located away from my operating position.Have not seen anyone else report this. From anyone1545 at gmail.com Sun Mar 3 13:31:57 2019 From: anyone1545 at gmail.com (Gmail) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 13:31:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] DVR audio Message-ID: <1A80D700-8E06-4062-99E6-4996A7DB1605@gmail.com> When I play a recorded message audio transmitted is ok , confirmed by listeners and monitoring remote SDR. What I hear in my earphones with monitor turned on is distorted. Ray W8LYJ Sent from my iPad From elanzl at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 3 14:13:33 2019 From: elanzl at sbcglobal.net (Eric Lanzl) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 19:13:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft net 3-3-2019 References: <198079998.7870840.1551640413346.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <198079998.7870840.1551640413346@mail.yahoo.com> Here is the log from today's net. A bit challenging with the contest going on. Elecraft SSB Net 3-3-2019 WB9JNZ ????????Eric?????IL????? ?K3????????? ?4017?? ?Net Control K8NU/P ?????????Carl ????OH?????TS 590 ???Operatingportable from Florida W7QHD???????? ?Kurt ????AZ ??????K2/100 ??1538 K7JG?????????????? John??? WA????? KX3???? ?? 3519 K6FW????????????? Frank?? CA?????? K3S???? ?11672 N4NRW????????? Roger? SC?????? K3??????? ??? 1318 KS6F?????????????? Guy???? CA?????? K3S???? ?10650 KO5V????????????? Jim????? NM????? K2/100???? 7225 NS7P????????????? Phil????? OR????? K3??????? ???1826 W1NGA????????? AL??????? CO????? K3??????? ??? 5765???Relay Station N8VZ?????????????? Carl???? OH????? K3??????? ???5946 ? From hlyingst at yahoo.com Sun Mar 3 14:32:14 2019 From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 19:32:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] SWR meter with K3 2M module In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1651028128.7866496.1551641534970@mail.yahoo.com> I'm going to say no (at least it doesn't on mine) The 2 meter antenna is not in line with the SWR circuity of the main radio. On Sunday, March 3, 2019, 11:53:28 AM EST, Steve Zabarnick wrote: Is the SWR meter supposed to work when the 2 meter module is being used in the K3? I don't see much of a response even with no antenna connected, which should show a very high SWR. Steve N9SZ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From johnn1jm at gmail.com Sun Mar 3 15:42:13 2019 From: johnn1jm at gmail.com (John_N1JM) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 13:42:13 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Hamfest K3s In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1551645733160-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Do you need to be present to win? 73, John N1JM KF5WDJ wrote > There are a few raffle tickets remaining for the Midland Amateur Radio > Club?s St Patrick?s Day Elecraft K3S Raffle. Tickets are $20 and a limit > of 300 will be sold for this 100 watt factory assembled transceiver. They > are available online at https://hamfest.w5qgg.org/registration/ The > drawing will take place at 11:57 am on March 16th. > As you know, this is a GREAT radio. Good Luck! > > J David Overton, KF5WDJ > > > Sent from my iPhone > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: > Elecraft at .qth > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From wunder at wunderwood.org Sun Mar 3 15:49:15 2019 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 12:49:15 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Hamfest K3s In-Reply-To: <1551645733160-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1551645733160-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <3FDB8653-8B3E-420F-84CC-08B3E6F14BF6@wunderwood.org> It is in the terms and conditions. "8. You do not have to be present to win.? https://hamfest.w5qgg.org/raffle-terms/ wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Mar 3, 2019, at 12:42 PM, John_N1JM wrote: > > Do you need to be present to win? > > 73, John N1JM > > > > KF5WDJ wrote >> There are a few raffle tickets remaining for the Midland Amateur Radio >> Club?s St Patrick?s Day Elecraft K3S Raffle. Tickets are $20 and a limit >> of 300 will be sold for this 100 watt factory assembled transceiver. They >> are available online at https://hamfest.w5qgg.org/registration/ The >> drawing will take place at 11:57 am on March 16th. >> As you know, this is a GREAT radio. Good Luck! >> >> J David Overton, KF5WDJ >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto: > >> Elecraft at .qth > >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From Gary at ka1j.com Sun Mar 3 20:10:57 2019 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2019 20:10:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: WTB 1.8 filters for K3/K3s Message-ID: <5C7C7B21.26863.DBBAF@Gary.ka1j.com> I'm thinking I'd like to explore using the 1.8 KHz filters in the K3s & Sub Rx. I have a pair of 1 KHz filters for trade or sale. Thanks & 73, Gary KA1J From kevinr at coho.net Sun Mar 3 21:22:38 2019 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 18:22:38 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report Message-ID: <177cce4d-d874-a3dc-df91-e31a2d19dae8@coho.net> Good Evening, ?? Twenty meters was weak with a medium level of noise on my end. Out East they were getting hammered by it.? Forty meters had less noise (again from my point of view) but it made up for it with slow and deep QSB.? I gave more than one S0 to S9 report and a few of S2 to S7.? Luckily it was not fast so I could copy everything. Winter hasn't let go yet, the Iditarod has just begun. ? On 14050.5 kHz 2200z: W0CZ - Ken - ND K6XK - Roy - IA W5LA - Floyd - TX ? On 7046.5 kHz at 0000z: KG7V - Marv - WA K0DTJ - Brian - CA W6JHB - Jim - CA K6PJV - Dale - CA K6XK - Roy - IA K4TO - Dave - KY W0CZ - Ken - ND ?? Roy reminded me of the time change next week.? Now to figure out the best time to hold each net with the current propagation. According to spaceweather. com we'll be in and out of solar wind stream until Wednesday.? That was causing our noise today while it was (hopefully) recharging the ionosphere.? It may take a few weeks to find the best new times but I will keep trying. ?? Until next week 73, ????? Kevin.? KD5ONS The festival was over and the boys were all planning for a fall The cabaret was quiet except for the drilling in the wall The curfew had been lifted and the gambling wheel shut down Anyone with any sense had already left town He was standing in the doorway looking like the Jack of Hearts. The backstage manager was pacing all around by his chair "There's something funny going on" he said " I can just feel it in the air" He went to get the hanging judge but the hanging judge was drunk As the leading actor hurried by in the costume of a monk There was no actor anywhere better than the Jack of Hearts. Two doors down the boys finally made it through the wall And cleaned out the bank safe it's said that they got off with quite a haul In the darkness by the riverbed they waited on the ground For one more member who had business back in town But they couldn't go no further without the Jack of Hearts. _ From n6tv at arrl.net Sun Mar 3 22:01:48 2019 From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 19:01:48 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] DVR audio In-Reply-To: <1A80D700-8E06-4062-99E6-4996A7DB1605@gmail.com> References: <1A80D700-8E06-4062-99E6-4996A7DB1605@gmail.com> Message-ID: Check CONFIG:TX MON, to see if it is set to NOR or FAST (FAST should have no "distortion", because you hear unprocessed MIC audio, with no delay). This applies to both your own MIC audio and KDVR3 recordings. Check also CONFIG:TX DVR. Is it set to NOR or IND? If IND, there are two different monitor levels, one monitor level for your own voice spoken live into the MIC, and a second level that adjusts the DVR message monitor level (Voice Memories). Perhaps the latter is set too high? With CONFIG:TX DVR set to IND, You have to hold down the MON knob a second time to alternate between adjusting DVR MON level and the MIC MON level. If that's not it, check if adjusting the CMP level during playback makes any difference. Is it also possible that RF is getting into your headphones? Does it go away when you use a dummy load? 73, Bob, N6TV On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 10:32 AM Gmail wrote: > When I play a recorded message audio transmitted is ok , confirmed by > listeners and monitoring remote SDR. > What I hear in my earphones with monitor turned on is distorted. > Ray > W8LYJ > > Sent from my iPad > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From zabarnick at gmail.com Sun Mar 3 22:06:59 2019 From: zabarnick at gmail.com (Steve Zabarnick) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 22:06:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] SWR meter with KX3 2 Meter module Message-ID: Is the SWR meter supposed to work when the 2 meter module is being used in the KX3? I don't see much of a response even with no antenna connected, which should show a very high SWR. My last post mistakenly asked about the K3. Steve N9SZ From n6tv at arrl.net Sun Mar 3 22:09:39 2019 From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 19:09:39 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] High SWR when running above 12w on 160,80m In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A bad coax jumper or a loose coax connector can cause problems like this, especially if it is in between the radio and the external SWR meter. Can you try a different coax jumper? Or, can you bypass the external SWR meter and connect the antenna directly to the K3, perhaps ANT 2 instead of ANT 1? If no difference, I suppose something could be wrong with the low pass filters inside the K3, but check the coax first. 73, Bob, N6TV On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 4:40 AM Ilya wrote: > Hi Gentlemen! > > Recently I got some strange behaviour in my K3/100 #4413, looking for any > ideas. > > When running more than 12 watts on 3.5 and especially 1.8 mhz, the internal > meter shows higher SWR values. The higher the power is set - the higher the > showings are. Like when the power is 20w - it shows smth near 2.0, when the > power is set to 50w - it shows 3.0 and says 'HI SWR'. If I tune antenna > with ATU prior to transmitting - the values are lower, but overall > behaviour is reproduced. Everything looks fine on 40 meters and higher. > > But: > 1. External meter shows normal SWR like 1.2-1.5 (the real one - the same as > my antenna analyzer shows). > 2. If power level is set lower than 11.9 watts - the problem does not > persist (internal meter shows 1 or 2 segments). > > Given the description above - I guess something should be wrong in the 100w > amplifier? > Looking for any advice. > > Thanks and 73! > Ilya, R3XA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From kevinr at coho.net Mon Mar 4 00:17:35 2019 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 21:17:35 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Net Errata Message-ID: W5LA should read W5LA - Jim - one state to the right - Louisiana ?? Sorry Jim, ?????? Kevin.? KD5ONS - From nerevarthelord at gmail.com Mon Mar 4 00:59:26 2019 From: nerevarthelord at gmail.com (Ilya) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 08:59:26 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] High SWR when running above 12w on 160,80m In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Bob! The coax jumper is not the root cause - I tried connecting the transceiver directly to amp/antenna (via both ant1/ant2 sockets) and still got the same swr showings. First of all I thought of some amplifier issue as it all starts at power setting at exactly 12.0w (the level when the 100w amp gets enabled, if I'm not mistaken). When the power is set to 11.9w (highest setting without 100w amp) - the swr meter shows 1.0. Will look closer at BPFs, thanks! On Mon, 4 Mar 2019, 06:10 Bob Wilson, N6TV, wrote: > A bad coax jumper or a loose coax connector can cause problems like this, > especially if it is in between the radio and the external SWR meter. Can > you try a different coax jumper? Or, can you bypass the external SWR meter > and connect the antenna directly to the K3, perhaps ANT 2 instead of ANT > 1? If no difference, I suppose something could be wrong with the low pass > filters inside the K3, but check the coax first. > > 73, > Bob, N6TV > > On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 4:40 AM Ilya wrote: > >> Hi Gentlemen! >> >> Recently I got some strange behaviour in my K3/100 #4413, looking for any >> ideas. >> >> When running more than 12 watts on 3.5 and especially 1.8 mhz, the >> internal >> meter shows higher SWR values. The higher the power is set - the higher >> the >> showings are. Like when the power is 20w - it shows smth near 2.0, when >> the >> power is set to 50w - it shows 3.0 and says 'HI SWR'. If I tune antenna >> with ATU prior to transmitting - the values are lower, but overall >> behaviour is reproduced. Everything looks fine on 40 meters and higher. >> >> But: >> 1. External meter shows normal SWR like 1.2-1.5 (the real one - the same >> as >> my antenna analyzer shows). >> 2. If power level is set lower than 11.9 watts - the problem does not >> persist (internal meter shows 1 or 2 segments). >> >> Given the description above - I guess something should be wrong in the >> 100w >> amplifier? >> Looking for any advice. >> >> Thanks and 73! >> Ilya, R3XA >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > From doc.lock at fast-mail.net Mon Mar 4 04:53:08 2019 From: doc.lock at fast-mail.net (Peter Lock) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 09:53:08 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Intermittent loss of power output K3 - update Message-ID: <000601d4d270$12e9a860$38bcf920$@fast-mail.net> Subject: [Elecraft] Intermittent loss of power output K3 Good day Late last year, my K3 (no 6957) developed a fault. The symptoms were: 1. No power output when keying the rig 2. TX LED on when keyed, (sidetone generated in CW mode) 3. Single bar showing on the RF power meter, whatever scale, ie 0 - 10 or 0 - 100 4. ATU tune command: relays clicking, TX LED on, no power output, no indication on SWR meter; two horizontal dashes in the VFO A display area where normally one would see the resolving SWR; in VFO B area 5.0W is indicated 5. TX gain calibration failed on 5W and 50W; mW TX calibration gain OK Peter M0RYB Thank you to all who have responded to my post. The board connection pins are gold plated, and all look bright and shiny like new. The TMP connectors, however, all are tarnished on the outside, although the mating surfaces look clean; I will get some Deoxit and give them a going-over. The diodes D36 and D37 in the SWR bridge tested in situ showed a forward voltage of 0.362V and a reverse open circuit, so they seem to be fine. Peter M0RYB From dave at nk7z.net Mon Mar 4 09:22:18 2019 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 06:22:18 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] DVR audio In-Reply-To: References: <1A80D700-8E06-4062-99E6-4996A7DB1605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2c0a6300-e7eb-04d0-7e84-5083b99cfa94@nk7z.net> Does FAST also remove the light delay in the audio? 73s and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net Award Manager, 30MDG Grid Awards ARRL Technical Specialist ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL OOC for Oregon On 3/3/19 7:01 PM, Bob Wilson, N6TV wrote: > Check CONFIG:TX MON, to see if it is set to NOR or FAST (FAST should have > no "distortion", because you hear unprocessed MIC audio, with no delay). > This applies to both your own MIC audio and KDVR3 recordings. From bw396ss at yahoo.com Mon Mar 4 09:28:04 2019 From: bw396ss at yahoo.com (Bill Wiehe) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 14:28:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Beta Utility References: <1526081320.8920334.1551709684249.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1526081320.8920334.1551709684249@mail.yahoo.com> I have no problem with seeing output power withUtility V. 1.19.2.21 and Beta MCU 02.09 2/24/2019.Bill - W0BBI From n6tv at arrl.net Mon Mar 4 12:29:20 2019 From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 09:29:20 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] DVR audio In-Reply-To: <2c0a6300-e7eb-04d0-7e84-5083b99cfa94@nk7z.net> References: <1A80D700-8E06-4062-99E6-4996A7DB1605@gmail.com> <2c0a6300-e7eb-04d0-7e84-5083b99cfa94@nk7z.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 6:22 AM Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: > Does FAST also remove the light delay in the audio? > Yes. However, with FAST enabled, you cannot hear what the speech compressor is doing. Everything you hear while transmitting is "unprocessed." 73, Bob, N6TV From keith at elecraft.com Mon Mar 4 15:39:56 2019 From: keith at elecraft.com (Keith Trinity WE6R) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 12:39:56 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Intermittent loss of power output K3 In-Reply-To: <1551451616478-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1551451616478-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <3cf1a1ea-401e-0516-cf81-fe85a50a8eaa@elecraft.com> Hi Peter; It definitely had one bad FET on the LPA when it was here, I do not see in the report that it was intermittent, so I may not have looked closely for those types of failures. If you are sure it makes MW power when it is in the failure state, then it is highly likely the LPA. Inspect D1 closely, I have seen one side have poor solder, or it can heat and the solder crystallize. Re-flow solder. Pull the KPA3 but leave the KPAIO3 riser board and you can run it with just the LPA. Disregard errors about KPA3 or set it to "not inst" while you are working on it. Then set for several watts (not 5 exactly) and long press XMIT to go into TUNE, IE transmit a carrier. (TUN PWR must be at "nor"). Then take a stick and tap around on the LPA. Around D1. Also the green/red enamel on T1 & 2 can fail and the windings can short. Tap the three bias pots, sometimes they fail internally, or their solder points. Look at all parts for solder problems. You can put it in the fridge and chill it down to encourage failure, or leave it on for an hour with a blanket over it to heat it up. Keith WE6R From nelasat at yahoo.com Mon Mar 4 16:41:51 2019 From: nelasat at yahoo.com (Keith Ennis) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 21:41:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: W2 for sale References: <1771923919.9233647.1551735711703.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1771923919.9233647.1551735711703@mail.yahoo.com> I have a factory built W2 with 2000w sensor for $275. Keith, KV5J Keith From keith.mobarry at gmail.com Mon Mar 4 18:38:56 2019 From: keith.mobarry at gmail.com (Keith Mobarry) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 17:38:56 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: KFL3A-2.1K 2.1 kHz, 8-pole filter Message-ID: If you have an Elecraft brand KFL3A-2.1K 2.1 kHz, 8-pole filter to sell then please email me off-the-list with your price. Paypal only. Thanks for the bandwidth here. TNX & 73, Keith WA0TXJ From arkansasbill at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 4 19:30:23 2019 From: arkansasbill at sbcglobal.net (William Aycock) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 18:30:23 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-2 Question Message-ID: <4ff80929-9344-e5a1-c624-12ab7445e848@sbcglobal.net> A question if you please. I am assembling a K-2. At present, I am currently in the Alignment and Test section, Part II. Page 65 covers the BFO test where you use Band+ and Band- to check for BFO range.? When I press Band+, the frequency counter initially reads around 1.480 MHz and starts increasing in frequency. I am guessing about 100 kHz per minute.? When I press Band-, I get a good reading of 4.911 MHz.? All of the other checks thusfar in this Part II have been good. This is puzzling and I hope someone can give me some ideas. Thanks, Bill KC5MN From anyone1545 at gmail.com Mon Mar 4 19:50:40 2019 From: anyone1545 at gmail.com (Gmail) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 19:50:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] DVR audio Message-ID: I think RF is getting into headset. Time to try ferrite beads. Ray W8LYJ Sent from my iPad From hjohnc at gmail.com Mon Mar 4 20:27:30 2019 From: hjohnc at gmail.com (John Huffman) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 20:27:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod for Sale Message-ID: Little used K-Pod. Like new, no smoke, no pets. With manual and cables. $195 shipped continental US. Please reply directly to QRZ email address. K1ESE John From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Mar 4 21:26:08 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 21:26:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-2 Question In-Reply-To: <4ff80929-9344-e5a1-c624-12ab7445e848@sbcglobal.net> References: <4ff80929-9344-e5a1-c624-12ab7445e848@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Bill, That is not a good situation, and I have never seen that condition. Check the orientation of varactors D37 and D38. Then check the soldering of the L33 leads to the 1/8 watt resistor - you may have to use a magnifier and good lighting. Then check the soldering of all components. To find out which components, look at the right corner of the RF Board schematic sheet 2. All the components shown below U11 are suspect. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/4/2019 7:30 PM, William Aycock wrote: > A question if you please. > > I am assembling a K-2. At present, I am currently in the Alignment and > Test section, Part II. Page 65 covers the BFO test where you use Band+ > and Band- to check for BFO range.? When I press Band+, the frequency > counter initially reads around 1.480 MHz and starts increasing in > frequency. I am guessing about 100 kHz per minute.? When I press Band-, > I get a good reading of 4.911 MHz.? All of the other checks thusfar in > this Part II have been good. This is puzzling and I hope someone can > give me some ideas. From pgladysz at aol.com Tue Mar 5 11:06:20 2019 From: pgladysz at aol.com (pgladysz at aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2019 12:06:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DVR Randomly Loses Memory Message-ID: <007b01d4d36d$5fdc8310$1f958930$@aol.com> Older generation K3's (SN 101, 157, 1763 and 8714) utilized with recently added DVR's operating in the Caribbean for the past 2 years. Station consists of 4 K3's on 1 acre with 4 stations on the air as a M/M at the same time thru 3 towers. There is allot of RF around. The radios, computers and 1KW amplifiers are all grounded thru a short run of braided cable to a grounding bus. The RS 232 USB cables have additional toroid's added. The K3's are running MCU Firmware 5.6, FPF 1.26, DSP1 2.88, DVR 2.0. No issues are seen from the N1MM software. K3 SN 7391 while operating on 40 meters for the 2018 CQWW SSB contest did not experience the problem. Since the K3's started being used which has been for the last three SSB contests, the Recoded Messages Memory fails to work perfectly. The issue occurs less than 5% of the time. The following combinations occur randomly. Sometimes the message stops the voice recording after starting it while the radio continues in transmit. Sometimes the message does not transmit at all while the radio is in transmit. Sometimes the next request for the message works correctly. Sometimes the message will not work unless the recording is re-recorded. Sometimes the radio needs to be momentarily shut off and when it comes back on, the message works correctly without needing re-recording. This issue is seen while pushing the M buttons on the K3 in either a single request or in repeat and seen after pushing the F keys while utilizing N1MM+ Logging Program. This has only been seen on the M1-F1 (not M2-4) keying for "CW Contest-Call". The repeat function time is set at 6 seconds. There appears to be a Software Loop Time Error in the K3 especially if the F1 keys are pushed quicker than 4-5 seconds while trying to manage control of a frequency. The K3's will be utilized in the CQWPX SSB contest in 3 weeks. Pete PJ2/K8PGJ From richard.corfield at gmail.com Tue Mar 5 13:11:15 2019 From: richard.corfield at gmail.com (Richard Corfield) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2019 18:11:15 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Should I worry about the toroids in the KXAT3 with vibration when carrying? Message-ID: The toroids don't seem fastened down in any way. Cycling with it in my pannier bag today over our rubbish roads I was a bit worried about it. Could they shake loose given the vibration? Do I need to do anything to protect them? (Though I note instruction requiring them to be movable should I ever install the 2m module). Thanks - Richard From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Mar 5 13:22:15 2019 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2019 10:22:15 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Should I worry about the toroids in the KXAT3 with vibration when carrying? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D6D7C9D-833C-432A-A49E-2D46D226F243@elecraft.com> Hi Richard, The toroids weigh almost nothing and the wire is very strong. We've never had an issue with toroids coming loose under normal levels of vibration. 73, Wayne N6KR > On Mar 5, 2019, at 10:11 AM, Richard Corfield wrote: > > The toroids don't seem fastened down in any way. Cycling with it in my > pannier bag today over our rubbish roads I was a bit worried about it. > Could they shake loose given the vibration? Do I need to do anything to > protect them? (Though I note instruction requiring them to be movable > should I ever install the 2m module). > > Thanks > - Richard > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From richard.corfield at gmail.com Tue Mar 5 17:58:05 2019 From: richard.corfield at gmail.com (Richard Corfield) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2019 22:58:05 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Should I worry about the toroids in the KXAT3 with vibration when carrying? In-Reply-To: <8D6D7C9D-833C-432A-A49E-2D46D226F243@elecraft.com> References: <8D6D7C9D-833C-432A-A49E-2D46D226F243@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Thanks. I do think I'll be more careful with how I pack it if cycling - right way up so any jolting forces are supported by the board. We have potholes here, though the bike has its larger tyres and the radio is well packed. - Richard On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 at 18:22, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi Richard, > > The toroids weigh almost nothing and the wire is very strong. We've never > had an issue with toroids coming loose under normal levels of vibration. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > > On Mar 5, 2019, at 10:11 AM, Richard Corfield < > richard.corfield at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > The toroids don't seem fastened down in any way. Cycling with it in my > > pannier bag today over our rubbish roads I was a bit worried about it. > > Could they shake loose given the vibration? Do I need to do anything to > > protect them? (Though I note instruction requiring them to be movable > > should I ever install the 2m module). > > > > Thanks > > - Richard > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > From rcrgs at verizon.net Tue Mar 5 20:57:33 2019 From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 01:57:33 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] questions about using a sub-receiver Message-ID: If/when I install a sub-receiver in my K3 [SN 6232] will I be able to hear each receiver separately in each side of my stereo headphones? If so, ok. If not, is there some way/work around to make this possible? Is the DSP of the basic radio able to have two concurrent settings, one for each of the receivers? Or, does each receiver have to share the same settings? The same question concerning crystal filters: can one receiver be using its narrow filter while the other receiver uses a wide filter? Or, do the filter selections track each other between the two receivers? Thanks in advance for any and all responses. A good day to all. ...robert -- Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY rcrgs at verizon.net.usa Syracuse, New York, USA From ghyoungman at gmail.com Tue Mar 5 21:38:55 2019 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2019 21:38:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] questions about using a sub-receiver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On Mar 5, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Robert G Strickland via Elecraft wrote: > > If/when I install a sub-receiver in my K3 [SN 6232] will I be able to hear each receiver separately in each side of my stereo headphones? If so, ok. If not, is there some way/work around to make this possible? Yes > > Is the DSP of the basic radio able to have two concurrent settings, one for each of the receivers? Or, does each receiver have to share the same settings? The sub receiver is independent. Sub and main do not have to match. > > The same question concerning crystal filters: can one receiver be using its narrow filter while the other receiver uses a wide filter? Or, do the filter selections track each other between the two receivers? > Yes Grant NQ5T K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 From ghyoungman at gmail.com Tue Mar 5 21:42:23 2019 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2019 21:42:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] questions about using a sub-receiver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <309C0F79-8F98-4077-B0FF-33CA830E1D14@gmail.com> Just to clarify. The ?yes? answers apply to the questions you posed, not the negative which immediately follows. Grant NQ5T K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 > On Mar 5, 2019, at 9:38 PM, Grant Youngman wrote: > > > >> On Mar 5, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Robert G Strickland via Elecraft wrote: >> >> If/when I install a sub-receiver in my K3 [SN 6232] will I be able to hear each receiver separately in each side of my stereo headphones? If so, ok. If not, is there some way/work around to make this possible? > > Yes > >> >> Is the DSP of the basic radio able to have two concurrent settings, one for each of the receivers? Or, does each receiver have to share the same settings? > > The sub receiver is independent. Sub and main do not have to match. > >> >> The same question concerning crystal filters: can one receiver be using its narrow filter while the other receiver uses a wide filter? Or, do the filter selections track each other between the two receivers? >> > > Yes > > Grant NQ5T > K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 > From doc.lock at fast-mail.net Wed Mar 6 06:40:56 2019 From: doc.lock at fast-mail.net (Peter Lock) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 11:40:56 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Intermittent loss of power output K3 Message-ID: <000601d4d411$76ecccf0$64c666d0$@fast-mail.net> Thank you, Keith. It was indeed a poor solder joint on one end of D1 on the LPA board; there was a hairline gap between the solder and the terminal of the diode. Reflowing the solder has cured the problem. Peter M0RYB Hi Peter; It definitely had one bad FET on the LPA when it was here, I do not see in the report that it was intermittent, so I may not have looked closely for those types of failures. If you are sure it makes MW power when it is in the failure state, then it is highly likely the LPA. Inspect D1 closely, I have seen one side have poor solder, or it can heat and the solder crystallize. Re-flow solder. Pull the KPA3 but leave the KPAIO3 riser board and you can run it with just the LPA. Disregard errors about KPA3 or set it to "not inst" while you are working on it. Then set for several watts (not 5 exactly) and long press XMIT to go into TUNE, IE transmit a carrier. (TUN PWR must be at "nor"). Then take a stick and tap around on the LPA. Around D1. Also the green/red enamel on T1 & 2 can fail and the windings can short. Tap the three bias pots, sometimes they fail internally, or their solder points. Look at all parts for solder problems. You can put it in the fridge and chill it down to encourage failure, or leave it on for an hour with a blanket over it to heat it up. Keith WE6R From tom.campie at gmail.com Wed Mar 6 08:39:43 2019 From: tom.campie at gmail.com (TJ Campie) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 07:39:43 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] questions about using a sub-receiver Message-ID: the You can consider the 2nd rx as a completely separate radio - unique filters, unique dsp, etc And yes, using the SUB function on the front panel, you can select diversity receive (2nd rx is on the same freq as your primary VFO, receiving with a different antenna) or normal SUB (2nd rx is on 2nd vfo frequency on different antenna). In both cases, the stereo effect is used to put VFO B in the opposite earphone from VFO A. 73, W0EA TJ ---- QRP ARCI #14612 | CW Ops #953 | SKCC #4593T NAQCC #3768 | Flying Pigs QRP #2254 http://W0EA.us *Because QRO is too easy (but sometimes required!)* From hk3w.inf at gmail.com Wed Mar 6 09:04:50 2019 From: hk3w.inf at gmail.com (Francisco "Siso" Hennessey HK3W) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 09:04:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Connect KPA-500, TS-480 and MicroKeyer II Message-ID: Hello to all. Can someone please tell me what I need to buy to connect a Kenwood TS-480AT with a Microkeyer II to an Elecraft KAT-500 and a KAP-500 so I can work digital modes like RTTY and FT8? I have not been able to find any information with respect to this so I would be grateful for any help. Regards Siso HK3W ____________________________________________________________________________ __ "The world hamradio net has never been muted." - "La red mundial de radioaficionados nunca ha sido silenciada." Francisco "Siso" Hennessey - HK3W, 5K3W and 5K0W DXCC HR SSB & MIXED. 9BDXCC (160, 80, 40, 30, 20, 17, 15, 12 & 10Mts) and MOBILE DXCC. CQWPX HR CW, DIGITAL & SSB, CQWAZ, CW, MIXED, RTTY, and SSB. VUCC-50Mhz and 2500 CHALLENGE. Member of INDEXA and Life member of ARRL Home page HK3W | QSL Inf: QRZ.COM | Log Online: Club Log Skype: Siso-HK3W | Twitter: @HK3W | WhatsApp : +57 311 812 2681 | _________________________________________________ --- El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico en busca de virus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From lists at w2irt.net Wed Mar 6 10:29:15 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 10:29:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Split receiving and 2 ears In-Reply-To: References: <27FED6A290634F84B7CB473B9A195A77@rockne> Message-ID: <00e601d4d431$5c4dde00$14e99a00$@w2irt.net> One thing I would add here is the L-Mix-R setting in the config menu, which controls which VFOs go in which ear. As a DXer who loves working pileups, I can tell you the best combination for me is A-Ab; meaning VFO A Audio (the DX station transmitting) is present in the left ear, and mixed in with the pileup (VFO-B) audio in the right ear. You can adjust that setting to taste (make sure you have the Sub-RX enabled first when you go into that menu item), but for me, A-Ab is the way to go. Try the different combinations to see which works best for you. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Rick WA6NHC Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 12:33 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split receiving and 2 ears I can give you a scenario that may make it easier to understand; this presumes you have the sub rx installed. The DX is staying on one TX frequency, put that in the VFO A, leave it alone. Have your TX set to split on VFO B. Go into split RX so you can hear both; using the VFO B to listen to the station that the DX is working now (in your right ear). Once you determine (by tracking/listening) to the direction the DX is listening (up, down or not) to work the pileup, you put the VFO B on your intended 'attack' point. At this time, you can hear what is there, plus the DX. (This is where a bandscope REALLY pays off, MUCH simpler.) Presuming the DX fades and you need more signal to hear, you turn off split and you're listening only to the DX (VFO A) while VFO B is ready for split TX. If you're listening split for another reason, you make the frequency you need to hear alone in VFO A by pushing the A/B button, then turn off split, two buttons max. 73, Rick nhc On 3/1/2019 9:06 AM, Mike Wetzel wrote: > Is there an easy way when listening split say 7205 and 7065 (7205 in > one ear and 7065 in the other) and then put 2 ears on one frequency or > the other quickly? > > > > Mike W9RE > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Wed Mar 6 10:43:52 2019 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 17:43:52 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Split receiving and 2 ears In-Reply-To: <00e601d4d431$5c4dde00$14e99a00$@w2irt.net> References: <27FED6A290634F84B7CB473B9A195A77@rockne> <00e601d4d431$5c4dde00$14e99a00$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: I like A-Ab too, when working split. It makes the DX station stand out. A nice thing is that the K3 knows that even when you have A-Ab set for pileups, when you use Diversity, you automatically get A-b. Sometimes, when the DX is hard to copy, I even switch back and forth between Diversity and normal subreceiver operation in the same pileup. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO CWops no. 5 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 06/03/2019 17:29, Peter Dougherty wrote: > One thing I would add here is the L-Mix-R setting in the config menu, > which controls which VFOs go in which ear. As a DXer who loves > working pileups, I can tell you the best combination for me is A-Ab; > meaning VFO A Audio (the DX station transmitting) is present in the > left ear, and mixed in with the pileup (VFO-B) audio in the right > ear. > > You can adjust that setting to taste (make sure you have the Sub-RX > enabled first when you go into that menu item), but for me, A-Ab is > the way to go. Try the different combinations to see which works best > for you. > > - pjd From a.durbin at msn.com Wed Mar 6 10:59:35 2019 From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 15:59:35 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Left ear / right ear or stereo Message-ID: It seems to be common to refer to using one ear for main RX and the other ear for Sub RX as "Stereo". I have experimented with listening to more than one radio using stereo headphones and found the experience far from satisfactory. My application was listening to Air Traffic Control and parachute demo ground coordinator with different ears. Some time ago NASA did some research on presenting multiple radios in a true stereo "sound stage". With suitable processing each receiver could be placed anywhere in that sound stage, not just in the left ear or in the right ear. The sound stage could also be used to place passengers in the appropriate place when they spoke on intercom. I learned about this project during a visit to Langley but have not heard if there was any commercial development of the idea. Anyone know if there has been any commercial application either for aircraft radios or for amateur radio? 73, Andy, k3wyc From fcady at montana.edu Wed Mar 6 11:26:35 2019 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 16:26:35 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] questions about using a sub-receiver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Robert, I feel your pain. The Main and Sub receivers are tremendously flexible and figuring it out lead me to write the first Elecraft K3 book. The latest edition, "The Elecraft K3s and P3" might help you learn more, including how they both can work separately or together, including the mixing of audio A and B, which is very powerful. You can find the hard copy version on the Elecraft web site and pdf version on www.lulu.com. 73, Fred KE7X For all Elecraft books and "The Successful Ham Radio Operator's Handbook", see www.ke7x.com. From hlyingst at yahoo.com Wed Mar 6 11:42:50 2019 From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 16:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Left ear / right ear or stereo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1969095246.1058919.1551890570670@mail.yahoo.com> I remember hearing about that long ago and but had heard it wasthe Howard Hughes Aircraft company, so maybe they both worked on it. Diversity receive may offer you more of what you are looking for. On Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 11:00:14 AM EST, Andy Durbin wrote: It seems to be common to refer to using one ear for main RX and the other ear for Sub RX as "Stereo".? I have experimented with listening to more than one radio using stereo headphones and found the experience far from satisfactory.? My application was listening to Air Traffic Control and parachute demo ground coordinator with different ears. Some time ago NASA did some research on presenting multiple radios in a true stereo "sound stage".? With suitable processing each receiver could be placed anywhere in that sound stage, not just in the left ear or in the right ear.? The sound stage could also be used to place passengers in the appropriate place when they spoke on intercom. I learned about this? project during a visit to Langley but have not heard if there was any commercial development of the idea.? Anyone know if there has been any commercial application either for aircraft radios or for amateur radio? 73, Andy, k3wyc ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From gdanner12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 6 11:49:09 2019 From: gdanner12 at gmail.com (Gmail - George) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 11:49:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Should I worry about the toroids in the KXAT3 with vibration when carrying? In-Reply-To: References: <8D6D7C9D-833C-432A-A49E-2D46D226F243@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <329EE2C5B2914E828B42F6D394E440C2@OfficeDeskTop> Richard, My KXAT3 goes down many unpaved gravel roads in the mountains of North Georgia and has for many years - since June 2012. At times we joke that the roads are actually potholes inter-connected by short stretches of gravel pavement. The KX3 lives in the cab of a Ranger pick-up mounted on a seat bolt mounted post. Occasionally I have had to retighten the mount bolts but have not needed to repair anything in the radio. 73 George AI4VZ -----Original Message----- From: Richard Corfield > > > > The toroids don't seem fastened down in any way. Cycling with it in my > > pannier bag today over our rubbish roads I was a bit worried about it. > > Could they shake loose given the vibration? Do I need to do anything to > > protect them? (Though I note instruction requiring them to be movable > > should I ever install the 2m module). > > > > Thanks > > - Richard From richard.corfield at gmail.com Wed Mar 6 11:52:13 2019 From: richard.corfield at gmail.com (Richard Corfield) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 16:52:13 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Should I worry about the toroids in the KXAT3 with vibration when carrying? In-Reply-To: <329EE2C5B2914E828B42F6D394E440C2@OfficeDeskTop> References: <8D6D7C9D-833C-432A-A49E-2D46D226F243@elecraft.com> <329EE2C5B2914E828B42F6D394E440C2@OfficeDeskTop> Message-ID: That sounds excellent. Maybe I'm being over-protective. New Side-KX panels and lid arrived today (after spending quite some time in Customs!). - Richard On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 16:49, Gmail - George wrote: > Richard, > My KXAT3 goes down many unpaved gravel roads in the mountains of North > Georgia and has for many years - since June 2012. > At times we joke that the roads are actually potholes inter-connected by > short stretches of gravel pavement. > The KX3 lives in the cab of a Ranger pick-up mounted on a seat bolt > mounted > post. > Occasionally I have had to retighten the mount bolts but have not needed > to > repair anything in the radio. > > 73 > George AI4VZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Corfield > > > > > > The toroids don't seem fastened down in any way. Cycling with it in my > > > pannier bag today over our rubbish roads I was a bit worried about it. > > > Could they shake loose given the vibration? Do I need to do anything to > > > protect them? (Though I note instruction requiring them to be movable > > > should I ever install the 2m module). > > > > > > Thanks > > > - Richard > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From k8ac at k8ac.net Wed Mar 6 13:07:40 2019 From: k8ac at k8ac.net (Floyd Sense) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 13:07:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Need help in communicating with W2 from Win 10 Message-ID: <3642346d-0220-5f5c-5eb4-01d2135f3702@k8ac.net> Acquired a used W2 today and have the hardware hooked up and operating.? The W2 works just fine.? Now I'm attempting to establish communications with the W2 from the PC, with no luck thus far.? The PC is running Win 10 Home, 64 bit.? I'm using the Elecraft USB cable plugged into the PC Data jack on the W2 and a USB2 port on the PC .? When I plug the USB cable into the PC, Windows recognizes it and creates a new Com port.? Next, I attempt to use the Elecraft W2 program to communicate with the W2, specifying the new Com port (Com9) in Setup.? A message at the bottom of the Setup window says "Looking for a W2..." and it sits there that way forever.? If I try the W2 Utility, it tells me that it has opened Com9 and is polling the W2 and that the W2 is not responding. A trace of activity on the Com9 port when using the W2 program shows Com9 opening and the program sending a semicolon repeatedly to the W2, but no responses at all.? A check in Device Manager properties says the latest driver is installed for the W2 port and that driver level is 2.12.28.0 dated 8/16/17.? Unable to check the firmware level with the W2 utility since the W2 doesn't respond. So, where to go from here?? I suspect a driver problem, but it's not clear what to do about it. 73, Floyd - K8AC From va3mw at portcredit.net Wed Mar 6 13:20:48 2019 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 12:20:48 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Need help in communicating with W2 from Win 10 In-Reply-To: <3642346d-0220-5f5c-5eb4-01d2135f3702@k8ac.net> References: <3642346d-0220-5f5c-5eb4-01d2135f3702@k8ac.net> Message-ID: Make sure you don't have multiple Com 9's. You may have some ghosted Com ports. Mike va3mw On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 12:07 PM Floyd Sense wrote: > Acquired a used W2 today and have the hardware hooked up and operating. > The W2 works just fine. Now I'm attempting to establish communications > with the W2 from the PC, with no luck thus far. The PC is running Win > 10 Home, 64 bit. I'm using the Elecraft USB cable plugged into the PC > Data jack on the W2 and a USB2 port on the PC . When I plug the USB > cable into the PC, Windows recognizes it and creates a new Com port. > Next, I attempt to use the Elecraft W2 program to communicate with the > W2, specifying the new Com port (Com9) in Setup. A message at the > bottom of the Setup window says "Looking for a W2..." and it sits there > that way forever. If I try the W2 Utility, it tells me that it has > opened Com9 and is polling the W2 and that the W2 is not responding. > > A trace of activity on the Com9 port when using the W2 program shows > Com9 opening and the program sending a semicolon repeatedly to the W2, > but no responses at all. A check in Device Manager properties says the > latest driver is installed for the W2 port and that driver level is > 2.12.28.0 dated 8/16/17. Unable to check the firmware level with the W2 > utility since the W2 doesn't respond. > > So, where to go from here? I suspect a driver problem, but it's not > clear what to do about it. > > > 73, Floyd - K8AC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jpcumminssr at gmail.com Wed Mar 6 13:27:36 2019 From: jpcumminssr at gmail.com (John P. Cummins, Sr.) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 13:27:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] AF-1 Audio Filter FS Message-ID: <24a89455-6c49-58a2-f3b8-1610fa58bc7f@jpcummins.net> From the estate of K6MYH. Partially built kit with parts in a bag. $50 John Pickett, AD4S From brendon at whateley.com Wed Mar 6 13:28:18 2019 From: brendon at whateley.com (Brendon Whateley) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 10:28:18 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Left ear / right ear or stereo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, this is available in general aviation by audio panels like the Garman 350c which offers what they call 3D audio. That allows you to set up different sources to appear to come from different locations or seats in the cabin. PS Engineering offers something in the PDA 360EX called IntelliAudio, which interestingly they license from the US Air Force, where pilots apparently call it multi-talker. This seems to be a relatively simple DSP process to recreate. It looks like you take your various sound sources and process them through a head-related transfer function based on the desired source location. The HRTF change the sound fed to each ear based on time delay, frequency dependant shadowing caused by the head, etc. While I was looking into this beyond the aviation side, I found evidence that the first recordings using the binaural technology took place in 1881! It has also been in use in video games since the '90s. And there are a lot of software products out there to create these effects for performances, recordings, etc. The best use cases are utilizing many different sources which get located around the listener, whereas in HAM we have a single source, or at least multiple sources which are coming through a small funnel. I can imagine you could locate signals based on frequency from left to right. Or with 3+ receivers, you could locate signals by direction and distance. It sounds like an interesting place to experiment. Regards, - Brendon KK6AYI On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 7:59 AM Andy Durbin wrote: > It seems to be common to refer to using one ear for main RX and the other > ear for Sub RX as "Stereo". I have experimented with listening to more > than one radio using stereo headphones and found the experience far from > satisfactory. My application was listening to Air Traffic Control and > parachute demo ground coordinator with different ears. > > Some time ago NASA did some research on presenting multiple radios in a > true stereo "sound stage". With suitable processing each receiver could be > placed anywhere in that sound stage, not just in the left ear or in the > right ear. The sound stage could also be used to place passengers in the > appropriate place when they spoke on intercom. > > I learned about this project during a visit to Langley but have not heard > if there was any commercial development of the idea. Anyone know if there > has been any commercial application either for aircraft radios or for > amateur radio? > > 73, > Andy, k3wyc > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From k8ac at k8ac.net Wed Mar 6 13:38:13 2019 From: k8ac at k8ac.net (Floyd Sense) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 13:38:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Need help in communicating with W2 from Win 10 In-Reply-To: References: <3642346d-0220-5f5c-5eb4-01d2135f3702@k8ac.net> Message-ID: <2202ec14-e1f6-e59b-2671-cc4c423ac582@k8ac.net> There's only one Com9.? Device Manager shows no dupes of any ports.? I've assigned a different port number, one that is an unused hardware port, with the very same results. On 3/6/2019 1:20 PM, Michael Walker wrote: > Make sure you don't have multiple Com 9's.? ?You may have some ghosted > Com ports. > > Mike > va3mw From nr4c at widomaker.com Wed Mar 6 13:44:14 2019 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 13:44:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Need help in communicating with W2 from Win 10 In-Reply-To: <2202ec14-e1f6-e59b-2671-cc4c423ac582@k8ac.net> References: <3642346d-0220-5f5c-5eb4-01d2135f3702@k8ac.net> <2202ec14-e1f6-e59b-2671-cc4c423ac582@k8ac.net> Message-ID: Does the W2 require any power? Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 6, 2019, at 1:38 PM, Floyd Sense wrote: > > There's only one Com9. Device Manager shows no dupes of any ports. I've assigned a different port number, one that is an unused hardware port, with the very same results. > >> On 3/6/2019 1:20 PM, Michael Walker wrote: >> Make sure you don't have multiple Com 9's. You may have some ghosted Com ports. >> >> Mike >> va3mw > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Mar 6 14:07:26 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 11:07:26 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Left ear / right ear or stereo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <09aeddbf-bca8-2236-24c7-7edf4e13bd0a@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 3/6/2019 7:59 AM, Andy Durbin wrote: > It seems to be common to refer to using one ear for main RX and the other ear for Sub RX as "Stereo". The word "stereo" has a specific meaning -- an acoustic sound stage being picked up by a spaced array of microphones and reproduced through a spaced array of loudspeakers. The mass production of this concept has been many mics mixed to two channels that are reproduced by two loudspeakers, or headphones. A correct description of what the K3, K3S, and KX3 do is "binaural," and the plug is correctly described as a 3-circuit plug. 73, Jim K9YC From roger at mulzer.de Wed Mar 6 14:37:15 2019 From: roger at mulzer.de (Roger) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 20:37:15 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 PA Temp Reading Unstable Message-ID: <00a801d4d454$01472c50$03d584f0$@mulzer.de> Check Q1 (MJE182) and U1B (LM6482). Most likely U1 is bad.................. 73/Roger - DL5RBW From w5rg at yahoo.com Wed Mar 6 15:05:01 2019 From: w5rg at yahoo.com (Bob Gibson) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 20:05:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Need help in communicating with W2 from Win 10 In-Reply-To: References: <3642346d-0220-5f5c-5eb4-01d2135f3702@k8ac.net> Message-ID: <63074427.454359.1551902701528@mail.yahoo.com> I have the same problem here with the W2.. I gave up!! Good luck!! ?? 73s Bob W5RG On Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 12:22:44 PM CST, Michael Walker wrote: Make sure you don't have multiple Com 9's.? You may have some ghosted Com ports. Mike va3mw On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 12:07 PM Floyd Sense wrote: > Acquired a used W2 today and have the hardware hooked up and operating. > The W2 works just fine.? Now I'm attempting to establish communications > with the W2 from the PC, with no luck thus far.? The PC is running Win > 10 Home, 64 bit.? I'm using the Elecraft USB cable plugged into the PC > Data jack on the W2 and a USB2 port on the PC .? When I plug the USB > cable into the PC, Windows recognizes it and creates a new Com port. > Next, I attempt to use the Elecraft W2 program to communicate with the > W2, specifying the new Com port (Com9) in Setup.? A message at the > bottom of the Setup window says "Looking for a W2..." and it sits there > that way forever.? If I try the W2 Utility, it tells me that it has > opened Com9 and is polling the W2 and that the W2 is not responding. > > A trace of activity on the Com9 port when using the W2 program shows > Com9 opening and the program sending a semicolon repeatedly to the W2, > but no responses at all.? A check in Device Manager properties says the > latest driver is installed for the W2 port and that driver level is > 2.12.28.0 dated 8/16/17.? Unable to check the firmware level with the W2 > utility since the W2 doesn't respond. > > So, where to go from here?? I suspect a driver problem, but it's not > clear what to do about it. > > > 73, Floyd - K8AC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From lists at subich.com Wed Mar 6 15:37:27 2019 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 15:37:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Connect KPA-500, TS-480 and MicroKeyer II In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: microKEYER II with the DB37-TS-MINI6 cable does digital modes just fine with the TS-480 - it is designed to operate that way. I have no information about adding the KPA500/KAT500 into the mix as I do not know if/how the KPA500/KAT500 acquires frequency/band data from the TS-480. Note: microKEYER II *DOES NOT ALLOW* any device to interfere with the RS-232 (CAT) connections between MK II and the TS-480. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2019-03-06 9:04 AM, Francisco "Siso" Hennessey HK3W wrote: > Hello to all. > > > > Can someone please tell me what I need to buy to connect a Kenwood TS-480AT > with a Microkeyer II to an Elecraft KAT-500 and a KAP-500 so I can work > digital modes like RTTY and FT8? > > > > I have not been able to find any information with respect to this so I would > be grateful for any help. > > > > Regards > > > > Siso HK3W > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > __ > > "The world hamradio net has never been muted." - "La red mundial de > radioaficionados nunca ha sido silenciada." > > Francisco "Siso" Hennessey - HK3W, 5K3W and 5K0W > > DXCC HR SSB & MIXED. 9BDXCC (160, 80, 40, 30, 20, 17, 15, 12 & 10Mts) and > MOBILE DXCC. > > CQWPX HR CW, DIGITAL & SSB, CQWAZ, CW, MIXED, RTTY, and SSB. VUCC-50Mhz and > 2500 CHALLENGE. > > Member of INDEXA and Life member of ARRL > > Home page HK3W | QSL Inf: > QRZ.COM | Log Online: > Club Log > > Skype: Siso-HK3W | Twitter: @HK3W | WhatsApp : > +57 311 812 2681 | > > _________________________________________________ > > > > > > --- > El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico en busca de virus. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From va3mw at portcredit.net Wed Mar 6 16:05:52 2019 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 15:05:52 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Need help in communicating with W2 from Win 10 In-Reply-To: <63074427.454359.1551902701528@mail.yahoo.com> References: <3642346d-0220-5f5c-5eb4-01d2135f3702@k8ac.net> <63074427.454359.1551902701528@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I use the W2 on 2 Win 10 computers without issue. Ghosted Com ports can't be seen unless you do the following: 1.) Click Start, point to All Programs, point to Accessories, and then click *Command Prompt*. 2.) At a command prompt, type the following command , and then press ENTER: *set devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices=1* 3.) Type the following command a command prompt, and then press ENTER: *start devmgmt.msc* Troubleshoot the devices and drivers in Device Manager. 4.) Click *Show hidden devices* on the View menu in Device Manager before you can see all devices associated with the computer. 5.) Scroll down to the *Ports* section and you will be able to see all the hidden and unused COM ports. The hidden com ports have a grayed out icon next to them. 6.) To delete a particular port, click to highlight it and hit the *Delete* key on your keyboard. In the Confirm Device Removal dialog box, click *OK*. 7.) After you have deleted the unused and hidden COM ports, the list will show only those COM ports you use or may use in the future. Be careful not to delete com ports that are working properly. 8.) When you finish troubleshooting, close *Device Manager*. 9.)Type *exit* at the command prompt. *Note that when you close the command prompt window, Window clears the devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices=1 variable that you set in step 2 and prevents ghosted devices from being displayed when you click Show hidden devices.* *Mike va3mw* On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 2:05 PM Bob Gibson via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > I have the same problem here with the W2.. I gave up!! Good luck!! > > 73s Bob W5RG > > > On Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 12:22:44 PM CST, Michael Walker < > va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote: > > Make sure you don't have multiple Com 9's. You may have some ghosted Com > ports. > > Mike > va3mw > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 12:07 PM Floyd Sense wrote: > > > Acquired a used W2 today and have the hardware hooked up and operating. > > The W2 works just fine. Now I'm attempting to establish communications > > with the W2 from the PC, with no luck thus far. The PC is running Win > > 10 Home, 64 bit. I'm using the Elecraft USB cable plugged into the PC > > Data jack on the W2 and a USB2 port on the PC . When I plug the USB > > cable into the PC, Windows recognizes it and creates a new Com port. > > Next, I attempt to use the Elecraft W2 program to communicate with the > > W2, specifying the new Com port (Com9) in Setup. A message at the > > bottom of the Setup window says "Looking for a W2..." and it sits there > > that way forever. If I try the W2 Utility, it tells me that it has > > opened Com9 and is polling the W2 and that the W2 is not responding. > > > > A trace of activity on the Com9 port when using the W2 program shows > > Com9 opening and the program sending a semicolon repeatedly to the W2, > > but no responses at all. A check in Device Manager properties says the > > latest driver is installed for the W2 port and that driver level is > > 2.12.28.0 dated 8/16/17. Unable to check the firmware level with the W2 > > utility since the W2 doesn't respond. > > > > So, where to go from here? I suspect a driver problem, but it's not > > clear what to do about it. > > > > > > 73, Floyd - K8AC > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From c-hawley at illinois.edu Wed Mar 6 18:11:53 2019 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 23:11:53 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA3(A) Extender Board for adjusting the output devices bias...? Message-ID: Has anyone investigated getting/creating an extender board to enable adjusting the output device bias? If I had such a board, then what would I be looking at to properly adjust the bias? Or, what is the idling requirement for both KPA3(A) amplifiers? Or again, what are the alignment adjustments for these amplifiers? Chuck Hawley c-hawley at illinois.edu Amateur Radio, KE9UW aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles From nr4c at widomaker.com Wed Mar 6 19:43:19 2019 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 19:43:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA3(A) Extender Board for adjusting the output devices bias...? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7C3DB1D0-F7D2-4452-879B-37A57C8311B4@widomaker.com> I suspect that Elecraft would rather we didn?t have such a control. Can you imagine the tech support nightmare if we started turning all the slotted screws ?Tight to the right?! Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 6, 2019, at 6:11 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > > Has anyone investigated getting/creating an extender board to enable adjusting the output device bias? > If I had such a board, then what would I be looking at to properly adjust the bias? Or, what is the idling requirement for both KPA3(A) amplifiers? > Or again, what are the alignment adjustments for these amplifiers? > > Chuck Hawley > c-hawley at illinois.edu > > Amateur Radio, KE9UW > aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Has anyone investigated getting/creating an extender board to enable adjusting the output device bias? > If I had such a board, then what would I be looking at to properly adjust the bias? Or, what is the idling requirement for both KPA3(A) amplifiers? > Or again, what are the alignment adjustments for these amplifiers? > > Chuck Hawley > c-hawley at illinois.edu > > Amateur Radio, KE9UW > aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Mar 6 20:00:17 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 17:00:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Connect KPA-500, TS-480 and MicroKeyer II In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0c32b3b3-1cfc-b6be-1f83-cbcc044a1eb8@audiosystemsgroup.com> The KPA500 and KAT500 both detect transmitting frequency with as little as a tap on the mic or a dit at 35 wpm, and switch almost instantaneously. All they need is PTT (Amp Key) from the rig to an RCA jack that loops through the KPA500 to the KAT500 with an RCA-RCA jumper. That "loop-through" allows the KPA500 to prevent auto-tuning while the power amp is active. The KAT500 has three operating modes that can be programmed from Elecraft's control program -- Auto, Manual, and Bypass. In general, the KAT500 remembers the last settings you used the last time you were on that band, and for which of the three outputs. 73, Jim K9YC On 3/6/2019 12:37 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > I have > no information about adding the KPA500/KAT500 into the mix as I > do not know if/how the KPA500/KAT500 acquires frequency/band data > from the TS-480. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Mar 6 20:02:22 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 17:02:22 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA3(A) Extender Board for adjusting the output devices bias...? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 3/6/2019 3:11 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > Or again, what are the alignment adjustments for these amplifiers? There are none. Everything is pre-tuned and tested at the factory. 73, Jim K9YC From kb1chu at aol.com Wed Mar 6 20:17:06 2019 From: kb1chu at aol.com (Steve) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 20:17:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Antenna tuner range Message-ID: <690dd9e7-7885-65e1-7bfc-6885f2652604@aol.com> I have an KX-3 with the built in tuner. How much wider range is the stand alone 20 QRP watt tuner? Thanks Steve kb1chu From c-hawley at illinois.edu Wed Mar 6 19:59:52 2019 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 00:59:52 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA3(A) Extender Board for adjusting the output devices bias...? In-Reply-To: <7C3DB1D0-F7D2-4452-879B-37A57C8311B4@widomaker.com> References: , <7C3DB1D0-F7D2-4452-879B-37A57C8311B4@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <5585AF39-158A-4D2A-84F1-FCCA9D728C97@illinois.edu> Licensed amateur radio operators should either know what they are doing or know not to do it. One could only hope...but restricting technical learning is not the road to take. Chuck KE9UW Sent from my iPhone, cjack > On Mar 6, 2019, at 6:43 PM, Nr4c wrote: > > I suspect that Elecraft would rather we didn?t have such a control. > > Can you imagine the tech support nightmare if we started turning all the slotted screws ?Tight to the right?! > > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > >> On Mar 6, 2019, at 6:11 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: >> >> Has anyone investigated getting/creating an extender board to enable adjusting the output device bias? >> If I had such a board, then what would I be looking at to properly adjust the bias? Or, what is the idling requirement for both KPA3(A) amplifiers? >> Or again, what are the alignment adjustments for these amplifiers? >> >> Chuck Hawley >> c-hawley at illinois.edu >> >> Amateur Radio, KE9UW >> aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Has anyone investigated getting/creating an extender board to enable adjusting the output device bias? >> If I had such a board, then what would I be looking at to properly adjust the bias? Or, what is the idling requirement for both KPA3(A) amplifiers? >> Or again, what are the alignment adjustments for these amplifiers? >> >> Chuck Hawley >> c-hawley at illinois.edu >> >> Amateur Radio, KE9UW >> aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From n7xy at n7xy.net Wed Mar 6 19:38:15 2019 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen - N7XY) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 16:38:15 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Metric system In-Reply-To: <1551136085870-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1551132344510-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1551136085870-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <928a70e2-4132-de56-af0a-50faa78d443e@n7xy.net> This was done by many stations when the price of gas first exceeded $1.00 per gallon the (all mechanical at the time) pumps couldn't handle 3 digits. Bob, N7XY On 2/25/19 3:08 PM, ab2tc wrote: > Hi again, > > Hopefully Eric will find it in his heart to let this thread continue. > > Yes, we are. Booze and wine are now sold by the liter. Curiously beer is > generally not. In my opinion gas stations should be the next in line to > convert. I am sure modern pumps could easily be reprogrammed to display > liters instead of gallons. To the uneducated the price per liter would look > like a bargain. Wow, less than a dollar! I don't think super markets would > encounter a huge cost converting from lbs to kilos either. Probably the road > signage would be the biggest cost problem. > > AB2TC - Knut > > > k6dgw wrote >> Yep, we're going metric ... inch by inch. >> >> 73, >> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW >> Sparks NV DM09dn >> Washoe County >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 2/25/2019 2:12 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote: >>> Well we first authorized use of the metric system in 1866, we are working >>> on getting around to it. Don't rush us! >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto: >> Elecraft at .qth >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Mar 6 20:27:46 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 20:27:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Antenna tuner range In-Reply-To: <690dd9e7-7885-65e1-7bfc-6885f2652604@aol.com> References: <690dd9e7-7885-65e1-7bfc-6885f2652604@aol.com> Message-ID: <4a240257-7092-fee9-2935-38113be95842@embarqmail.com> Steve, The range of the T1 and the internal KX3 are about the same. PS - why do folks insist on putting hyphens in the Elecraft model numbers - they do not belong, it is KX3 and not KX-3. Look at the sales brochure or the webpage. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/6/2019 8:17 PM, Steve via Elecraft wrote: > I have an KX-3 with the built in tuner. How much wider range is the > stand alone 20 QRP watt tuner? Thanks Steve kb1chu > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From jstengrevics at comcast.net Wed Mar 6 21:24:51 2019 From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 21:24:51 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Problem - Frequency Jump Message-ID: <5C9D055F-7AF7-4B9B-9F7D-B0CDE5DEE53D@comcast.net> I have been using my K3S on WSJT-X without any problems. Today, the frequency appears to have shifted .7 KHz low. That is, if I were on 50.313 MHz FT8, I now have to tune to 50.3137 to decode signals. I would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks, John WA1EAZ From c-hawley at illinois.edu Wed Mar 6 21:47:21 2019 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 02:47:21 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA3(A) Extender Board for adjusting the output devices bias...? In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <6144DB5B-669C-4C93-AD45-E13DAECADA20@illinois.edu> Ok. What are they at the factory? Chuck Jack KE9UW Sent from my iPhone, cjack > On Mar 6, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On 3/6/2019 3:11 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: >> Or again, what are the alignment adjustments for these amplifiers? > > There are none. Everything is pre-tuned and tested at the factory. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From lists at subich.com Wed Mar 6 21:48:14 2019 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 21:48:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Connect KPA-500, TS-480 and MicroKeyer II In-Reply-To: <0c32b3b3-1cfc-b6be-1f83-cbcc044a1eb8@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <0c32b3b3-1cfc-b6be-1f83-cbcc044a1eb8@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <8a1c770c-93c5-5737-f372-14bdfaade506@subich.com> Apparently the KPA-500 includes the ability to operate in a CAT pass through mode (like the P3) with Elecraft and Kenwood rigs (see Menu items RS232 P, RS232 X, RADIO, and SER POLL). *UNFORTUNATELY* the Kenwood configuration is not documented in the KPA-500 Owners Manual (unlike the Icom "band voltage" and Yaesu BCD control configurations). It would greatly assist non-Elecraft owners if the KPA-500 Owners Manual included explicit diagrams and configuration settings for Icom, Yaesu and Kenwood (RS-232 CAT ONLY) transceivers along the lines of Figure 4 on page 13 for the K3 using "KPAK3AUX Cable and Separate Key Line". Without documentation (including information showing if RTS/CTS is passed through from the transceiver as expected by Kenwood rigs or whether the KPA-500 provides a CTS "pull up" on the RS-232 (XCVR) jack) from Elecraft or access to a KPA-500 for "hands on engineering" it is not possible for third party suppliers to provide any support for (Kenwood) configurations that include KPA-500/KAT500 . 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2019-03-06 8:00 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > The KPA500 and KAT500 both detect transmitting frequency with as little > as a tap on the mic or a dit at 35 wpm, and switch almost > instantaneously. All they need is PTT (Amp Key) from the rig to an RCA > jack that loops through the KPA500 to the KAT500 with an RCA-RCA jumper. > That "loop-through" allows the KPA500 to prevent auto-tuning while the > power amp is active. The KAT500 has three operating modes that can be > programmed from Elecraft's control program -- Auto, Manual, and Bypass. > In general, the KAT500 remembers the last settings you used the last > time you were on that band, and for which of the three outputs. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > On 3/6/2019 12:37 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> I have >> no information about adding the KPA500/KAT500 into the mix as I >> do not know if/how the KPA500/KAT500 acquires frequency/band data >> from the TS-480. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From jackbrindle at me.com Wed Mar 6 22:36:17 2019 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 19:36:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Connect KPA-500, TS-480 and MicroKeyer II In-Reply-To: <8a1c770c-93c5-5737-f372-14bdfaade506@subich.com> References: <0c32b3b3-1cfc-b6be-1f83-cbcc044a1eb8@audiosystemsgroup.com> <8a1c770c-93c5-5737-f372-14bdfaade506@subich.com> Message-ID: <0F400585-A78A-4303-AEE1-8C9BACD7C394@me.com> The KPA500 does NOT have a pass-through mode. It DOES have a serial port dedicated to communicating with Kenwood radios to extract the operating frequency. It can just monitor the serial link or it can also poll for the needed data. You will need to provide a Y cable that connects the signal coming from the radio to the computer, connecting the KPA?s XCVR port to the branch of the cable. The PC port on the KPA500 is only for controlling the amplifier. The two ports are not related in function. Use the RS232 X menu setting to select the port data rate to match the radio?s serial port. If you need for the KPA500 to poll the radio for the frequency, the set SER POLL to ON. For other cabling, connect the KEY line coming from the transceiver to one of the KAT500?s PTT RlY connectors, then connect the other PTT RLY connector to the KPA500?s PA KEY connector. These connections are shown on page 12 of the KAT500 manual. With this configuration the KAP500 will switch bands based on the data it receives from the transceiver, while the KAT500 will need RF to select the LC combination needed for tuning (as well as the desired antenna for that band). The KPA500 and KAT500 do not communicate, so there is no way for the KPA500 to tell the KAT500 the band. Note also that the KPA500 and KAT500 will switch bands quite well without the transceiver data connection as K9YC describes. Andy, K3WYC has created a pretty cool system with a small controller that monitors the system and sends control data to both the KAT500 and KPA500 to set them upper operation. I?lllet Andy describe that. I am amazed that we do not properly describe KPA500/KAT500 operation with Kenwood transceivers. I will try to bug the right people to get this fixed. 73! Jack, W6FB > On Mar 6, 2019, at 6:48 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > Apparently the KPA-500 includes the ability to operate in a CAT > pass through mode (like the P3) with Elecraft and Kenwood rigs > (see Menu items RS232 P, RS232 X, RADIO, and SER POLL). > > *UNFORTUNATELY* the Kenwood configuration is not documented in the > KPA-500 Owners Manual (unlike the Icom "band voltage" and Yaesu BCD > control configurations). > > It would greatly assist non-Elecraft owners if the KPA-500 Owners > Manual included explicit diagrams and configuration settings for > Icom, Yaesu and Kenwood (RS-232 CAT ONLY) transceivers along the > lines of Figure 4 on page 13 for the K3 using "KPAK3AUX Cable and > Separate Key Line". > > Without documentation (including information showing if RTS/CTS is > passed through from the transceiver as expected by Kenwood rigs > or whether the KPA-500 provides a CTS "pull up" on the RS-232 (XCVR) > jack) from Elecraft or access to a KPA-500 for "hands on engineering" > it is not possible for third party suppliers to provide any support > for (Kenwood) configurations that include KPA-500/KAT500 . > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2019-03-06 8:00 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> The KPA500 and KAT500 both detect transmitting frequency with as little as a tap on the mic or a dit at 35 wpm, and switch almost instantaneously. All they need is PTT (Amp Key) from the rig to an RCA jack that loops through the KPA500 to the KAT500 with an RCA-RCA jumper. That "loop-through" allows the KPA500 to prevent auto-tuning while the power amp is active. The KAT500 has three operating modes that can be programmed from Elecraft's control program -- Auto, Manual, and Bypass. In general, the KAT500 remembers the last settings you used the last time you were on that band, and for which of the three outputs. >> 73, Jim K9YC >> On 3/6/2019 12:37 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>> I have >>> no information about adding the KPA500/KAT500 into the mix as I >>> do not know if/how the KPA500/KAT500 acquires frequency/band data >>> from the TS-480. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From tedg7bqm at fastnet.co.uk Thu Mar 7 05:17:08 2019 From: tedg7bqm at fastnet.co.uk (Ted G7BQM) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 10:17:08 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA3(A) Extender Board for adjusting the output devices bias...? In-Reply-To: <6144DB5B-669C-4C93-AD45-E13DAECADA20@illinois.edu> References: <6144DB5B-669C-4C93-AD45-E13DAECADA20@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Greetings All, Having just acquired K3 #00626 to tidy up and use portable but mainly as a transverter driver, I found that the KPA3 Rev B gave no output. Visual inspection showed nothing amiss. To start checking it was impossible in the rig except proving that it drew 14 Amps above 12 W for any power demanded. Took me a while to figure out that as all the odd and even pin pairs are linked, I could use a couple of untwisted pair 20 pin IDC cables with female connectors and double 8mm pin length double male header strips to connect the KPA upside down, outside the back of the rig. 100mm long ribbon cables are sufficient. This soon revealed some hot smelling electronics so signal tracing at this stage proved to be impossible. By trial and error removing suspect components for out of circuit testing, D10 pin diode was found to be open circuit. The KPA3 is currently with the UK dealers for further testing and repair since the D10 MA4P leaded diode appears to be absent from UK stockists and I don?t know if anything else is damaged. Sorry Charles, I also have not been able to find any referenced information on setting the bias, despite looking for it in case I had to change the power transistors. 73, Ted G7BQM > On 7 Mar 2019, at 02:47, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > > Ok. What are they at the factory? > > Chuck Jack > KE9UW > > Sent from my iPhone, cjack > >> On Mar 6, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> >>> On 3/6/2019 3:11 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: >>> Or again, what are the alignment adjustments for these amplifiers? >> >> There are none. Everything is pre-tuned and tested at the factory. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk Thu Mar 7 06:43:20 2019 From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 08:43:20 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: AW: K3 KPA3 bias adjust In-Reply-To: <0355E62F2F1BA34C97C21528C1126D7601F8A72E@EX08.ccf.net> References: <0355E62F2F1BA34C97C21528C1126D7601F8A72E@EX08.ccf.net> Message-ID: <1ba5a029-1cd4-167e-d126-92f06a53b30c@horizon.co.fk> Hi, Forwarded a 2009 email exchange for your info. I have NOT tried this so use with care and at your own risk. Regards, Mike VP8NO -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: AW: [Elecraft] K3 KPA3 bias adjust Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 19:46:55 +0100 From: Koppendorfer Klaus To: Jan Erik Holm CC: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Locate the BIAS pot at the front of the KPA3, between the heat sink and the KPA3 shield. Note what the display current is in the VFO B readout when you tap the Display button and turn the VFO B knob to the current readout. In RX, it should be 1.0A or so. In XMIT (not TUNE), it should be about 1.90 to 2.0A when the Power knob is set to 12w or above so the KPA3 is made active (but there is no RF output since XMIT is used). Or you can press the PTT button but do not speak. If there is much more current than this, set the BIAS pot to minimum (fully counter clockwise). Then tap XMIT (not TUNE) and note what the current is in VFO B's readout. Slowly turn up the BIAS pot until you see 400-500mA more current that was seen with the BIAS pot at minimum. 73 OE6KYG KX1 244 K2 1331 K3 115 > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft- > bounces at mailman.qth.net] Im Auftrag von Jan Erik Holm > Gesendet: Samstag, 03. J?nner 2009 19:35 > Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Betreff: Re: [Elecraft] K3 KPA3 bias adjust > > Thanks Ron but I knew this already. > > Probably have to write to K3support and ask, > however I?m very surprised nobody could answer > on the reflector. > > Jim SM2EKM > ---------------------- > Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > > Hello Jim: > > > > That pot, along with all the other trimmers in the K3, is adjusted at > the > > factory. There are specific cautions against touching any of them in the > > field; all field adjustments are done in firmware. > > > > If you have a problem with the KPA3, suggest you post a message to > > K3support at elecraft.com. If an adjustment is needed that can be done in > the > > field, one of the fellows there can give you specifics. > > > > Ron AC7AC > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jan Erik Holm > > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:55 AM > > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KPA3 bias adjust > > > > I find nothing about it in any manual. R11 on KPA3 > > I guess. What are the specifications for the bias > > adjust? > > > > 73 Jim SM2EKM From n1nk at cox.net Thu Mar 7 08:34:28 2019 From: n1nk at cox.net (Jim Spears) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 08:34:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] W2 connection issues Message-ID: <047201d4d4ea$7d9cc990$78d65cb0$@cox.net> I have two W2 units that I use with different K3's and different W10 computers. One of them is reluctant to connect when I start up the W2 utility program. So I power the W2 off and back on with the utility program active and it connects just fine. This is consistent behavior. The other seems to be able to connect just fine. I have not spent any time trying to figure out why one requires the off/on sequence but just live with it. There may something in the physical connection to the computer. i.e. through a USB port, through a COM port, etc. Jim/N1NK From c-hawley at illinois.edu Thu Mar 7 09:31:10 2019 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 14:31:10 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: AW: K3 KPA3 bias adjust In-Reply-To: <1ba5a029-1cd4-167e-d126-92f06a53b30c@horizon.co.fk> References: <0355E62F2F1BA34C97C21528C1126D7601F8A72E@EX08.ccf.net>, <1ba5a029-1cd4-167e-d126-92f06a53b30c@horizon.co.fk> Message-ID: Thanks for the info. Using xmit for the low power amp and then going to the high power amp shows a difference of 1.05A. So my devices are showing about 500+ ma each. In the ball park. Thanks so much for the reply. Chuck Hawley c-hawley at illinois.edu Amateur Radio, KE9UW aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles ________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of Mike Harris via Elecraft Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 5:43 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: AW: K3 KPA3 bias adjust Hi, Forwarded a 2009 email exchange for your info. I have NOT tried this so use with care and at your own risk. Regards, Mike VP8NO -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: AW: [Elecraft] K3 KPA3 bias adjust Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 19:46:55 +0100 From: Koppendorfer Klaus To: Jan Erik Holm CC: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Locate the BIAS pot at the front of the KPA3, between the heat sink and the KPA3 shield. Note what the display current is in the VFO B readout when you tap the Display button and turn the VFO B knob to the current readout. In RX, it should be 1.0A or so. In XMIT (not TUNE), it should be about 1.90 to 2.0A when the Power knob is set to 12w or above so the KPA3 is made active (but there is no RF output since XMIT is used). Or you can press the PTT button but do not speak. If there is much more current than this, set the BIAS pot to minimum (fully counter clockwise). Then tap XMIT (not TUNE) and note what the current is in VFO B's readout. Slowly turn up the BIAS pot until you see 400-500mA more current that was seen with the BIAS pot at minimum. 73 OE6KYG KX1 244 K2 1331 K3 115 > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft- > bounces at mailman.qth.net] Im Auftrag von Jan Erik Holm > Gesendet: Samstag, 03. J?nner 2009 19:35 > Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Betreff: Re: [Elecraft] K3 KPA3 bias adjust > > Thanks Ron but I knew this already. > > Probably have to write to K3support and ask, > however I?m very surprised nobody could answer > on the reflector. > > Jim SM2EKM > ---------------------- > Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > > Hello Jim: > > > > That pot, along with all the other trimmers in the K3, is adjusted at > the > > factory. There are specific cautions against touching any of them in the > > field; all field adjustments are done in firmware. > > > > If you have a problem with the KPA3, suggest you post a message to > > K3support at elecraft.com. If an adjustment is needed that can be done in > the > > field, one of the fellows there can give you specifics. > > > > Ron AC7AC > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jan Erik Holm > > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:55 AM > > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KPA3 bias adjust > > > > I find nothing about it in any manual. R11 on KPA3 > > I guess. What are the specifications for the bias > > adjust? > > > > 73 Jim SM2EKM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From eric at elecraft.com Thu Mar 7 09:35:47 2019 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 06:35:47 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Metric system In-Reply-To: <928a70e2-4132-de56-af0a-50faa78d443e@n7xy.net> References: <1551132344510-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1551136085870-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <928a70e2-4132-de56-af0a-50faa78d443e@n7xy.net> Message-ID: Folks, we closed this high posting count OT thread some time ago in the interest of improving the list signal to noise ratio. Eric elecraft.com _..._ > On Mar 6, 2019, at 4:38 PM, Bob Nielsen - N7XY wrote: > > This was done by many stations when the price of gas first exceeded $1.00 per gallon the (all mechanical at the time) pumps couldn't handle 3 digits. > From nr4c at widomaker.com Thu Mar 7 10:24:57 2019 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 10:24:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Problem - Frequency Jump In-Reply-To: <5C9D055F-7AF7-4B9B-9F7D-B0CDE5DEE53D@comcast.net> References: <5C9D055F-7AF7-4B9B-9F7D-B0CDE5DEE53D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <79474FB1-C3DF-4E97-B6A9-8A80958A83B3@widomaker.com> Check RIT/XIT. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 6, 2019, at 9:24 PM, John Stengrevics wrote: > > I have been using my K3S on WSJT-X without any problems. Today, the frequency appears to have shifted .7 KHz low. That is, if I were on 50.313 MHz FT8, I now have to tune to 50.3137 to decode signals. > > I would appreciate any suggestions. > > Thanks, > > John > WA1EAZ > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jstengrevics at comcast.net Thu Mar 7 10:25:49 2019 From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 10:25:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Problem - Frequency Jump In-Reply-To: <79474FB1-C3DF-4E97-B6A9-8A80958A83B3@widomaker.com> References: <5C9D055F-7AF7-4B9B-9F7D-B0CDE5DEE53D@comcast.net> <79474FB1-C3DF-4E97-B6A9-8A80958A83B3@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <86ED51EB-C26F-4593-8708-8C1A0EA3B214@comcast.net> Thanks Bill. Yes, that seems to have been the problem. 73, John WA1EAZ > On Mar 7, 2019, at 10:24 AM, Nr4c wrote: > > Check RIT/XIT. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > >> On Mar 6, 2019, at 9:24 PM, John Stengrevics wrote: >> >> I have been using my K3S on WSJT-X without any problems. Today, the frequency appears to have shifted .7 KHz low. That is, if I were on 50.313 MHz FT8, I now have to tune to 50.3137 to decode signals. >> >> I would appreciate any suggestions. >> >> Thanks, >> >> John >> WA1EAZ >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From uoba at comcast.net Thu Mar 7 11:13:47 2019 From: uoba at comcast.net (W4JBA) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 10:13:47 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Need help in communicating with W2 from Win 10 In-Reply-To: <3642346d-0220-5f5c-5eb4-01d2135f3702@k8ac.net> References: <3642346d-0220-5f5c-5eb4-01d2135f3702@k8ac.net> Message-ID: <0ee7c689-01b5-63f5-b5a5-25df90633bde@comcast.net> Floyd, The USB cable that the W2 uses has an FTDI chip in it. I agree with you, it does sound like a driver issue. Since you've determined that your Comm port driver is installed,? It kinda sounds like you may not have an FTDI driver installed in your computer. I had the same problem with WIN10 on my computer. I went to the FTDI download site and obtained and installed the latest FTDI Chip drivers. All is well now. Anyway, it's just a thought. 73, Jim w4jba On 3/6/2019 12:07 PM, Floyd Sense wrote: > Acquired a used W2 today and have the hardware hooked up and > operating. The W2 works just fine.? Now I'm attempting to establish > communications with the W2 from the PC, with no luck thus far. The PC > is running Win 10 Home, 64 bit.? I'm using the Elecraft USB cable > plugged into the PC Data jack on the W2 and a USB2 port on the PC .? > When I plug the USB cable into the PC, Windows recognizes it and > creates a new Com port.? Next, I attempt to use the Elecraft W2 > program to communicate with the W2, specifying the new Com port (Com9) > in Setup.? A message at the bottom of the Setup window says "Looking > for a W2..." and it sits there that way forever.? If I try the W2 > Utility, it tells me that it has opened Com9 and is polling the W2 and > that the W2 is not responding. > > A trace of activity on the Com9 port when using the W2 program shows > Com9 opening and the program sending a semicolon repeatedly to the W2, > but no responses at all.? A check in Device Manager properties says > the latest driver is installed for the W2 port and that driver level > is 2.12.28.0 dated 8/16/17.? Unable to check the firmware level with > the W2 utility since the W2 doesn't respond. > > So, where to go from here?? I suspect a driver problem, but it's not > clear what to do about it. > > > 73, Floyd - K8AC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From kq8m at kq8m.com Thu Mar 7 11:41:56 2019 From: kq8m at kq8m.com (kq8m at kq8m.com) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 11:41:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] W2 connection issues In-Reply-To: <047201d4d4ea$7d9cc990$78d65cb0$@cox.net> References: <047201d4d4ea$7d9cc990$78d65cb0$@cox.net> Message-ID: Hi Jim, If you figure it out please let us know. I have the same problem with a Win 7 machine. Everytime I start the software I must turn the W2 off then back on for it to be detected even though the software sees the com port. 73 Tim, KQ8M kq8m at kq8m.com -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Spears Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 08:34 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] W2 connection issues I have two W2 units that I use with different K3's and different W10 computers. One of them is reluctant to connect when I start up the W2 utility program. So I power the W2 off and back on with the utility program active and it connects just fine. This is consistent behavior. The other seems to be able to connect just fine. I have not spent any time trying to figure out why one requires the off/on sequence but just live with it. There may something in the physical connection to the computer. i.e. through a USB port, through a COM port, etc. Jim/N1NK ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From gerry at w1ve.com Thu Mar 7 11:45:05 2019 From: gerry at w1ve.com (Gerry Hull) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 11:45:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have four years of experience using the RemoteRig boxes with both the K3/0 Full-size box and the K3/0 Mini. One must remember that the RRC 1258 boxes are not purpose-built for Elecraft, though the solution is elegant, and works flawlessly week after week once it has been configured properly. Comparing the Flex solution of the Elecraft + RemoteRig solution is comparing Apples to Oranges. I would hold Flex to an even higher standard: It's a one-company solution, designed way after the Elecraft + RemoteRig stuff was on the market. Hopefully, the K4, or what is ever next from Elecraft, will have a detachable front panel --- and the connection between the front panel and radio chassis will be Ethernet! (One can dream). So Flex and Elecraft, I believe, pretty much own the Remote market, which is growing rapidly. I'm sure Eric and team are not sitting on their hands regarding remote. I just passed 25,000 QSOs from VY1AAA, remoting from 4500km away in New Hampshire. The remote end is simple DSL. The technology rocks. Packaging is the result of multiple vendors. 73, Gerry Hull, W1VE / VE1RM Trustee, VY1AAA Hancock, NH Gerry Hull, W1VE Hancock, NH USA Member: ARRL, YCCC, YCCCN, CW Ops gerry at w1ve.com ph: 1-617-CW-SPARK (find me) On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 11:56 AM Barry Baines via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > Fred: > > > > On Feb 28, 2019, at 8:20 AM, Fred Massey wrote: > > > > A K3/0 that could directly connect over the internet with a K3s (K3s+ or > > K4) is really needed. The remoterig is relatively difficult and old > tech. > > The client server architecture like flex is using is what is needed. > > > I use the existing K3/0-Mini and Remote Rig with my K3 and the Flex-6700 > through Maestro remotely. Both approaches have their advantages and > disadvantages and in essence we?re comparing apples to oranges. > > The K3 approach through Remote Rig is admittedly ?kludgy? given external > boxes, cabling, and settings. However, once up and running it is very good > and reliable. Most importantly, the system requires little bandwidth for > radio control and audio. I can use the K3 remote system controlling a K3 > station in rural southeast Georgia which has a DSL connection and max > upload of 1.2 MBps. In most cases, it is 768 Mbps. In addition, it is a > ?self-contained? system where no one else has connectivity and the > connection is directly between the remote and the K3. I am not dependent > upon Elecraft to maintain a system for managing my connections. However, > this approach also requires separate means to manage the KPA500 and KAT500. > > The Remote Rig RC-1216H provides a web interface for the KPA500 and I use > a second RC-1216H to control the rotor (Green Heron RT-21 managing an Orion > Rotor). Of course, there isn?t a panadapter remote option which would take > uplink bandwidth. What I miss is the direct controllability of the KAT500 > which requires the KAT500 utility to be controlled remotely. I?ve done > this using a Serial-to-Ethernet converter, but I don?t llke it because it > requires a PC to run it. I hope at some point that Remote Rig would > upgrade the firmware to manage the KAT500 so that I can use any web-capable > device (iPad, iPhone, Mac, PC, etc.). > > Overall, the system works very well and I?ve been using it since September > 2014 without problems. I now keep a K3/0-Mini system at two different > locations (Texas and New England) both of which cannot support a ham > station on site. > > The Flex System overcomes some of the weaknesses of the K3 approach and of > course it has a remote panadapter capabiity. But it has taken Flex over > five years to provide the remote capability at significantly higher cost > and requires greater upload bandwidth. SmartSDR 2.0 was introduced in 2017 > which means for four years I could only operate the Flex-6700 when at the > shack. Flex?s approach is dependent upon a server-based system to > establish a secure link, a license fee if you?re upgrading from Version 1 > to Version 2 or Version 2 to (just announced) Version 3 of SmartSDR. Flex > Radio has to maintain a server system to control access remotely. The PGXL > amplifier can be controlled directly through Maestro or a PC running > SmartSDR v2.xx operating from a remote site. However, the ?Tuner Genius? > that is promised to go with the PGXL has not been released, so I?m limited > to using my EFHW antenna to the KAT500 and the K3 setup since I do need to > use a tuner with it. I will say that the bandwidth requirements of the > Flex under the current V2.49 SmartSDR is significantly less than in the > past so it works more reliably in ?Low Bandwidth" mode. I also keep a > Maestro in both Texas and New England. > > Having two different remote systems with different feature sets does > provide some advantages: > > -Redundancy. In the event one system has a remote issue, I have the other > to use as a backup. > > -Flexibility. I like to ?listen? so much of my time is spent listening or > participating on nets. The K3 setup works well since I?m not particularly > ?hunting? for signals where a panadapter would be useful. Simply turn on > the K3 and I?m on the last frequency I was tuned or I can enter the > frequency of interest. I have the tuner and amplifier as needed, and 500W > is usually more than sufficient for my needs. The Flex is more helpful > if I?m searching the bands with a panadapter/waterfall, but the PGXL is > only helpful on 10-15-20 where I have a yagi and don?t need to a tuner > capable of handling the PGXL. Due to bandwidth issues, the Flex system > does sometime ?hiccup? due to missed packets though this happens a lot less > than previously. > > -Space. I spend 90% of my operating time running remote. At my locations > in Texas and New England I have the Maestro and K3/0-Mini sitting on my 30? > x 60? office desk by the 27? Apple Display with West Mountain Radio > external speakers that can be used with either system. The Remote Rig > equipment, cabling, network ethernet switch, 120 VAC surge protected hub > that powers the Remote Rig equipment, network switch, Maestro, Speakers, > K3/0-Mini are either sitting on the floor or held in place with cable ties > attached around the desk legs, out-of-the-way and out-of-sight. Of course, > the ham shack itself in Georgia is a different matter given the amount of > equipment installed, but the operating position has the real estate to > handle it. (approximately 12 ft. x 30? of desk space). > > -Equipment Complexity: The K3/0-Mini and Remote Rig RRC-1258 are > relatively simple devices. I?ve not had any issues with these devices and > while there have been firmware upgrades they are few and not necessarily > required. The Maestro is a much more complex piece of equipment which is > essentially a device with built-in tablet that takes significant time to > boot up and has firmware that controls the various knobs and indications > and of course communicates with the Flex server to establish a connection > to my Flex-6700. Any update to SmartSDR (the most recent was last December > 2018 to v2.49 while Flex has announced that v3.0 will be available in March > 2019) requires an update to the Flex-6700 and Maestro. This can be done > remotely, but it also reflects the greater complexity of the system. > > My original Maestro (purchased new in 2017) has been recalled once at no > charge and sent back once for non-warranty repairs. > > -Isolation. Running remote reduces the potential for surge issues where > I?m actually operating as there are no external antennas. > > At the ham shack in Southeast Georgia, I have the K3 equipment physically > separate from the Flex Equipment going through separate ethernet switches > and isolated with Fiber Optic Converters for CAT5 connections to help > reduce the probability of surge problems or a ethernet switch failure in > the shack taking down both systems. RF connection of both systems to the > antennas and dummy load is thorough an Antenna Genius which provides high > isolation between antenna ports. The DSL modem and separate router are in > the house while the ham shack itself is located in an air conditioned room > located in the detached garage. I run a fiber optic cable between the > house and ham shack to further isolate the network equipment in the house > from the shack. > > Bottom line is that I like both systems and each system offers > capabilities that the other does not have. Given that I?m over 1,100 miles > from the ham shack most of the time, I?ve benefited from redundancy because > things can go wrong and cannot be fixed until my next trip to southeast > Georgia. Over the past year I?ve had issues with one or the other system > but usually the other system is still up and running. > > From the user?s perspective, I do suggest that one needs to to carefully > consider how exactly they will operate their system and what level of > investment ($$$, sweat equity, real estate) they?re wiling or able to put > into a remote system. Flex?s approach is certainly successful, but it is a > complex and more expensive system that has taken many more years to develop > than what Flex initially announced. Electraft?s approach is ?simpler? in > terms of making it possible to operate remotely, but it does appear > relatively ?kludgy? given that it could certainly be streamlined if they > thought it is worth the time and effort. If one is focused on ?pickup > and go? remote operation, the Flex Maestro (or SmartSDR on a laptop or > SmartSDR for iOS on an Apple iPad) is certainly easier to manage than > taking the K3/0-Mini with remote Rig setup. i have transported both the > Maestro and K3/0-Mini w/Remote Rig in their respective Pelican Cases > between locations before so I appreciate the steps needed to take down and > setup this equipment. I later purchased used K3/O-Mini and Maestro devices > to eliminate the need to transport (and take up space in my vehicle) > between Texas (Fall/Winter) and New England (Spring/Summer) when cargo > space is at a premium when transporting the XYL, family dog and the > clothing and other items needed at the other QTH. > > > FWIW, > > Barry Baines, WD4ASW > (Keller, TX) > > > > > 73, > > Fred > > AE4ED > > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 8:12 AM Jorge Diez - CX6VM < > cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Hello > >> > >> any idea if will be a new control radio for remote? Like K3/0 Mini with > >> remoterig integrated inside it? > >> > >> Maybe for Dayton will have it? > >> > >> -- > >> 73, > >> Jorge > >> CX6VM/CW5W > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From mike.flowers at gmail.com Thu Mar 7 11:47:18 2019 From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 08:47:18 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] W2 connection issues In-Reply-To: References: <047201d4d4ea$7d9cc990$78d65cb0$@cox.net> Message-ID: <051801d4d505$6decdf60$49c69e20$@gmail.com> It may be worth checking this about USB port power management. This feature has been known to cause difficulties. https://helpdeskgeek.com/how-to/prevent-windows-from-powering-off-usb-device / - 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > On Behalf Of kq8m at kq8m.com > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2019 8:42 AM > To: 'Jim Spears' ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] W2 connection issues > > Hi Jim, > > If you figure it out please let us know. I have the same problem with a Win > 7 machine. Everytime I start the software I must turn the W2 off then back on for > it to be detected even though the software sees the com port. > > 73 > Tim, KQ8M > kq8m at kq8m.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Spears > Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 08:34 > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] W2 connection issues > > I have two W2 units that I use with different K3's and different W10 computers. > One of them is reluctant to connect when I start up the W2 utility program. So I > power the W2 off and back on with the utility program active and it connects just > fine. This is consistent behavior. > > > > The other seems to be able to connect just fine. I have not spent any time trying > to figure out why one requires the off/on sequence but just live with it. > > > > There may something in the physical connection to the computer. i.e. > through a USB port, through a COM port, etc. > > > > Jim/N1NK > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From fhmassey at gmail.com Thu Mar 7 11:47:41 2019 From: fhmassey at gmail.com (Fred Massey) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 10:47:41 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well said Gerry, Fred AE On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 10:45 AM Gerry Hull wrote: > I have four years of experience using the RemoteRig boxes with both the > K3/0 Full-size box and the K3/0 Mini. > > One must remember that the RRC 1258 boxes are not purpose-built for > Elecraft, though the solution is elegant, and works flawlessly week after > week once it has > been configured properly. > > Comparing the Flex solution of the Elecraft + RemoteRig solution is > comparing Apples to Oranges. I would hold Flex to an even higher > standard: It's a one-company solution, designed way after the Elecraft + > RemoteRig stuff was on the market. > > Hopefully, the K4, or what is ever next from Elecraft, will have > a detachable front panel --- and the connection between the front panel and > radio chassis will be Ethernet! (One can dream). > > So Flex and Elecraft, I believe, pretty much own the Remote market, which > is growing rapidly. I'm sure Eric and team are not sitting on their hands > regarding remote. > > I just passed 25,000 QSOs from VY1AAA, remoting from 4500km away in New > Hampshire. The remote end is simple DSL. The technology rocks. > Packaging is the result of multiple vendors. > > 73, > > Gerry Hull, W1VE / VE1RM > Trustee, VY1AAA > Hancock, NH > > Gerry Hull, W1VE Hancock, NH USA > Member: ARRL, YCCC, YCCCN, CW Ops > gerry at w1ve.com ph: 1-617-CW-SPARK (find me) > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 11:56 AM Barry Baines via Elecraft < > elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > >> Fred: >> >> >> > On Feb 28, 2019, at 8:20 AM, Fred Massey wrote: >> > >> > A K3/0 that could directly connect over the internet with a K3s (K3s+ or >> > K4) is really needed. The remoterig is relatively difficult and old >> tech. >> > The client server architecture like flex is using is what is needed. >> >> >> I use the existing K3/0-Mini and Remote Rig with my K3 and the Flex-6700 >> through Maestro remotely. Both approaches have their advantages and >> disadvantages and in essence we?re comparing apples to oranges. >> >> The K3 approach through Remote Rig is admittedly ?kludgy? given external >> boxes, cabling, and settings. However, once up and running it is very good >> and reliable. Most importantly, the system requires little bandwidth for >> radio control and audio. I can use the K3 remote system controlling a K3 >> station in rural southeast Georgia which has a DSL connection and max >> upload of 1.2 MBps. In most cases, it is 768 Mbps. In addition, it is a >> ?self-contained? system where no one else has connectivity and the >> connection is directly between the remote and the K3. I am not dependent >> upon Elecraft to maintain a system for managing my connections. However, >> this approach also requires separate means to manage the KPA500 and KAT500. >> >> The Remote Rig RC-1216H provides a web interface for the KPA500 and I use >> a second RC-1216H to control the rotor (Green Heron RT-21 managing an Orion >> Rotor). Of course, there isn?t a panadapter remote option which would take >> uplink bandwidth. What I miss is the direct controllability of the KAT500 >> which requires the KAT500 utility to be controlled remotely. I?ve done >> this using a Serial-to-Ethernet converter, but I don?t llke it because it >> requires a PC to run it. I hope at some point that Remote Rig would >> upgrade the firmware to manage the KAT500 so that I can use any web-capable >> device (iPad, iPhone, Mac, PC, etc.). >> >> Overall, the system works very well and I?ve been using it since >> September 2014 without problems. I now keep a K3/0-Mini system at two >> different locations (Texas and New England) both of which cannot support a >> ham station on site. >> >> The Flex System overcomes some of the weaknesses of the K3 approach and >> of course it has a remote panadapter capabiity. But it has taken Flex over >> five years to provide the remote capability at significantly higher cost >> and requires greater upload bandwidth. SmartSDR 2.0 was introduced in 2017 >> which means for four years I could only operate the Flex-6700 when at the >> shack. Flex?s approach is dependent upon a server-based system to >> establish a secure link, a license fee if you?re upgrading from Version 1 >> to Version 2 or Version 2 to (just announced) Version 3 of SmartSDR. Flex >> Radio has to maintain a server system to control access remotely. The PGXL >> amplifier can be controlled directly through Maestro or a PC running >> SmartSDR v2.xx operating from a remote site. However, the ?Tuner Genius? >> that is promised to go with the PGXL has not been released, so I?m limited >> to using my EFHW antenna to the KAT500 and the K3 setup since I do need to >> use a tuner with it. I will say that the bandwidth requirements of the >> Flex under the current V2.49 SmartSDR is significantly less than in the >> past so it works more reliably in ?Low Bandwidth" mode. I also keep a >> Maestro in both Texas and New England. >> >> Having two different remote systems with different feature sets does >> provide some advantages: >> >> -Redundancy. In the event one system has a remote issue, I have the other >> to use as a backup. >> >> -Flexibility. I like to ?listen? so much of my time is spent listening >> or participating on nets. The K3 setup works well since I?m not >> particularly ?hunting? for signals where a panadapter would be useful. >> Simply turn on the K3 and I?m on the last frequency I was tuned or I can >> enter the frequency of interest. I have the tuner and amplifier as needed, >> and 500W is usually more than sufficient for my needs. The Flex is more >> helpful if I?m searching the bands with a panadapter/waterfall, but the >> PGXL is only helpful on 10-15-20 where I have a yagi and don?t need to a >> tuner capable of handling the PGXL. Due to bandwidth issues, the Flex >> system does sometime ?hiccup? due to missed packets though this happens a >> lot less than previously. >> >> -Space. I spend 90% of my operating time running remote. At my >> locations in Texas and New England I have the Maestro and K3/0-Mini sitting >> on my 30? x 60? office desk by the 27? Apple Display with West Mountain >> Radio external speakers that can be used with either system. The Remote >> Rig equipment, cabling, network ethernet switch, 120 VAC surge protected >> hub that powers the Remote Rig equipment, network switch, Maestro, >> Speakers, K3/0-Mini are either sitting on the floor or held in place with >> cable ties attached around the desk legs, out-of-the-way and out-of-sight. >> Of course, the ham shack itself in Georgia is a different matter given the >> amount of equipment installed, but the operating position has the real >> estate to handle it. (approximately 12 ft. x 30? of desk space). >> >> -Equipment Complexity: The K3/0-Mini and Remote Rig RRC-1258 are >> relatively simple devices. I?ve not had any issues with these devices and >> while there have been firmware upgrades they are few and not necessarily >> required. The Maestro is a much more complex piece of equipment which is >> essentially a device with built-in tablet that takes significant time to >> boot up and has firmware that controls the various knobs and indications >> and of course communicates with the Flex server to establish a connection >> to my Flex-6700. Any update to SmartSDR (the most recent was last December >> 2018 to v2.49 while Flex has announced that v3.0 will be available in March >> 2019) requires an update to the Flex-6700 and Maestro. This can be done >> remotely, but it also reflects the greater complexity of the system. >> >> My original Maestro (purchased new in 2017) has been recalled once at no >> charge and sent back once for non-warranty repairs. >> >> -Isolation. Running remote reduces the potential for surge issues where >> I?m actually operating as there are no external antennas. >> >> At the ham shack in Southeast Georgia, I have the K3 equipment physically >> separate from the Flex Equipment going through separate ethernet switches >> and isolated with Fiber Optic Converters for CAT5 connections to help >> reduce the probability of surge problems or a ethernet switch failure in >> the shack taking down both systems. RF connection of both systems to the >> antennas and dummy load is thorough an Antenna Genius which provides high >> isolation between antenna ports. The DSL modem and separate router are in >> the house while the ham shack itself is located in an air conditioned room >> located in the detached garage. I run a fiber optic cable between the >> house and ham shack to further isolate the network equipment in the house >> from the shack. >> >> Bottom line is that I like both systems and each system offers >> capabilities that the other does not have. Given that I?m over 1,100 miles >> from the ham shack most of the time, I?ve benefited from redundancy because >> things can go wrong and cannot be fixed until my next trip to southeast >> Georgia. Over the past year I?ve had issues with one or the other system >> but usually the other system is still up and running. >> >> From the user?s perspective, I do suggest that one needs to to carefully >> consider how exactly they will operate their system and what level of >> investment ($$$, sweat equity, real estate) they?re wiling or able to put >> into a remote system. Flex?s approach is certainly successful, but it is a >> complex and more expensive system that has taken many more years to develop >> than what Flex initially announced. Electraft?s approach is ?simpler? in >> terms of making it possible to operate remotely, but it does appear >> relatively ?kludgy? given that it could certainly be streamlined if they >> thought it is worth the time and effort. If one is focused on ?pickup >> and go? remote operation, the Flex Maestro (or SmartSDR on a laptop or >> SmartSDR for iOS on an Apple iPad) is certainly easier to manage than >> taking the K3/0-Mini with remote Rig setup. i have transported both the >> Maestro and K3/0-Mini w/Remote Rig in their respective Pelican Cases >> between locations before so I appreciate the steps needed to take down and >> setup this equipment. I later purchased used K3/O-Mini and Maestro devices >> to eliminate the need to transport (and take up space in my vehicle) >> between Texas (Fall/Winter) and New England (Spring/Summer) when cargo >> space is at a premium when transporting the XYL, family dog and the >> clothing and other items needed at the other QTH. >> >> >> FWIW, >> >> Barry Baines, WD4ASW >> (Keller, TX) >> >> >> >> > 73, >> > Fred >> > AE4ED >> > >> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 8:12 AM Jorge Diez - CX6VM < >> cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Hello >> >> >> >> any idea if will be a new control radio for remote? Like K3/0 Mini with >> >> remoterig integrated inside it? >> >> >> >> Maybe for Dayton will have it? >> >> >> >> -- >> >> 73, >> >> Jorge >> >> CX6VM/CW5W >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> >> Elecraft mailing list >> >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ >> > Elecraft mailing list >> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> > >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > From jsodus at comcast.net Thu Mar 7 12:07:26 2019 From: jsodus at comcast.net (JEROME SODUS) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 12:07:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Metric system Message-ID: <400772395.1169655.1551978447472@connect.xfinity.com> Hello, Aren't we really sort of into the metric system already? In life now, we use these metric terms....Seconds, Watts, Amperes, Volts, Liter (for wine, etc), Lumen (when deciding what light-bulb to buy). For temperature, it would not be terribly difficult to change to Celsius; people could adapt to that rather quickly. Weight might encounter some problem. As I see it, the most difficult transitions would be distance (length) and recipes. Just my opinion. 73 jerry km3k From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Thu Mar 7 12:25:41 2019 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 14:25:41 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Gerry Elecraft + remoterig works very good. I think once?s VY1AAA setup was ready, you left it there for all this years. I am thinking about the case i need to travel every week, 3 days a week, and i want to take my remote solution with me. Something easiest to connect and get ready will be grate for this cases 73, Jorge El jue., 7 mar. 2019 a las 13:45, Gerry Hull () escribi?: > I have four years of experience using the RemoteRig boxes with both the > K3/0 Full-size box and the K3/0 Mini. > > One must remember that the RRC 1258 boxes are not purpose-built for > Elecraft, though the solution is elegant, and works flawlessly week after > week once it has > been configured properly. > > Comparing the Flex solution of the Elecraft + RemoteRig solution is > comparing Apples to Oranges. I would hold Flex to an even higher > standard: It's a one-company solution, designed way after the Elecraft + > RemoteRig stuff was on the market. > > Hopefully, the K4, or what is ever next from Elecraft, will have > a detachable front panel --- and the connection between the front panel and > radio chassis will be Ethernet! (One can dream). > > So Flex and Elecraft, I believe, pretty much own the Remote market, which > is growing rapidly. I'm sure Eric and team are not sitting on their hands > regarding remote. > > I just passed 25,000 QSOs from VY1AAA, remoting from 4500km away in New > Hampshire. The remote end is simple DSL. The technology rocks. > Packaging is the result of multiple vendors. > > 73, > > Gerry Hull, W1VE / VE1RM > Trustee, VY1AAA > Hancock, NH > > Gerry Hull, W1VE Hancock, NH USA > Member: ARRL, YCCC, YCCCN, CW Ops > gerry at w1ve.com ph: 1-617-CW-SPARK (find me) > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 11:56 AM Barry Baines via Elecraft < > elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > > > Fred: > > > > > > > On Feb 28, 2019, at 8:20 AM, Fred Massey wrote: > > > > > > A K3/0 that could directly connect over the internet with a K3s (K3s+ > or > > > K4) is really needed. The remoterig is relatively difficult and old > > tech. > > > The client server architecture like flex is using is what is needed. > > > > > > I use the existing K3/0-Mini and Remote Rig with my K3 and the Flex-6700 > > through Maestro remotely. Both approaches have their advantages and > > disadvantages and in essence we?re comparing apples to oranges. > > > > The K3 approach through Remote Rig is admittedly ?kludgy? given external > > boxes, cabling, and settings. However, once up and running it is very > good > > and reliable. Most importantly, the system requires little bandwidth for > > radio control and audio. I can use the K3 remote system controlling a K3 > > station in rural southeast Georgia which has a DSL connection and max > > upload of 1.2 MBps. In most cases, it is 768 Mbps. In addition, it is a > > ?self-contained? system where no one else has connectivity and the > > connection is directly between the remote and the K3. I am not dependent > > upon Elecraft to maintain a system for managing my connections. However, > > this approach also requires separate means to manage the KPA500 and > KAT500. > > > > The Remote Rig RC-1216H provides a web interface for the KPA500 and I use > > a second RC-1216H to control the rotor (Green Heron RT-21 managing an > Orion > > Rotor). Of course, there isn?t a panadapter remote option which would > take > > uplink bandwidth. What I miss is the direct controllability of the KAT500 > > which requires the KAT500 utility to be controlled remotely. I?ve done > > this using a Serial-to-Ethernet converter, but I don?t llke it because it > > requires a PC to run it. I hope at some point that Remote Rig would > > upgrade the firmware to manage the KAT500 so that I can use any > web-capable > > device (iPad, iPhone, Mac, PC, etc.). > > > > Overall, the system works very well and I?ve been using it since > September > > 2014 without problems. I now keep a K3/0-Mini system at two different > > locations (Texas and New England) both of which cannot support a ham > > station on site. > > > > The Flex System overcomes some of the weaknesses of the K3 approach and > of > > course it has a remote panadapter capabiity. But it has taken Flex over > > five years to provide the remote capability at significantly higher cost > > and requires greater upload bandwidth. SmartSDR 2.0 was introduced in > 2017 > > which means for four years I could only operate the Flex-6700 when at the > > shack. Flex?s approach is dependent upon a server-based system to > > establish a secure link, a license fee if you?re upgrading from Version 1 > > to Version 2 or Version 2 to (just announced) Version 3 of SmartSDR. > Flex > > Radio has to maintain a server system to control access remotely. The > PGXL > > amplifier can be controlled directly through Maestro or a PC running > > SmartSDR v2.xx operating from a remote site. However, the ?Tuner Genius? > > that is promised to go with the PGXL has not been released, so I?m > limited > > to using my EFHW antenna to the KAT500 and the K3 setup since I do need > to > > use a tuner with it. I will say that the bandwidth requirements of the > > Flex under the current V2.49 SmartSDR is significantly less than in the > > past so it works more reliably in ?Low Bandwidth" mode. I also keep a > > Maestro in both Texas and New England. > > > > Having two different remote systems with different feature sets does > > provide some advantages: > > > > -Redundancy. In the event one system has a remote issue, I have the other > > to use as a backup. > > > > -Flexibility. I like to ?listen? so much of my time is spent listening > or > > participating on nets. The K3 setup works well since I?m not > particularly > > ?hunting? for signals where a panadapter would be useful. Simply turn on > > the K3 and I?m on the last frequency I was tuned or I can enter the > > frequency of interest. I have the tuner and amplifier as needed, and > 500W > > is usually more than sufficient for my needs. The Flex is more helpful > > if I?m searching the bands with a panadapter/waterfall, but the PGXL is > > only helpful on 10-15-20 where I have a yagi and don?t need to a tuner > > capable of handling the PGXL. Due to bandwidth issues, the Flex system > > does sometime ?hiccup? due to missed packets though this happens a lot > less > > than previously. > > > > -Space. I spend 90% of my operating time running remote. At my > locations > > in Texas and New England I have the Maestro and K3/0-Mini sitting on my > 30? > > x 60? office desk by the 27? Apple Display with West Mountain Radio > > external speakers that can be used with either system. The Remote Rig > > equipment, cabling, network ethernet switch, 120 VAC surge protected hub > > that powers the Remote Rig equipment, network switch, Maestro, Speakers, > > K3/0-Mini are either sitting on the floor or held in place with cable > ties > > attached around the desk legs, out-of-the-way and out-of-sight. Of > course, > > the ham shack itself in Georgia is a different matter given the amount of > > equipment installed, but the operating position has the real estate to > > handle it. (approximately 12 ft. x 30? of desk space). > > > > -Equipment Complexity: The K3/0-Mini and Remote Rig RRC-1258 are > > relatively simple devices. I?ve not had any issues with these devices > and > > while there have been firmware upgrades they are few and not necessarily > > required. The Maestro is a much more complex piece of equipment which is > > essentially a device with built-in tablet that takes significant time to > > boot up and has firmware that controls the various knobs and indications > > and of course communicates with the Flex server to establish a connection > > to my Flex-6700. Any update to SmartSDR (the most recent was last > December > > 2018 to v2.49 while Flex has announced that v3.0 will be available in > March > > 2019) requires an update to the Flex-6700 and Maestro. This can be done > > remotely, but it also reflects the greater complexity of the system. > > > > My original Maestro (purchased new in 2017) has been recalled once at no > > charge and sent back once for non-warranty repairs. > > > > -Isolation. Running remote reduces the potential for surge issues where > > I?m actually operating as there are no external antennas. > > > > At the ham shack in Southeast Georgia, I have the K3 equipment physically > > separate from the Flex Equipment going through separate ethernet switches > > and isolated with Fiber Optic Converters for CAT5 connections to help > > reduce the probability of surge problems or a ethernet switch failure in > > the shack taking down both systems. RF connection of both systems to the > > antennas and dummy load is thorough an Antenna Genius which provides high > > isolation between antenna ports. The DSL modem and separate router are in > > the house while the ham shack itself is located in an air conditioned > room > > located in the detached garage. I run a fiber optic cable between the > > house and ham shack to further isolate the network equipment in the house > > from the shack. > > > > Bottom line is that I like both systems and each system offers > > capabilities that the other does not have. Given that I?m over 1,100 > miles > > from the ham shack most of the time, I?ve benefited from redundancy > because > > things can go wrong and cannot be fixed until my next trip to southeast > > Georgia. Over the past year I?ve had issues with one or the other system > > but usually the other system is still up and running. > > > > From the user?s perspective, I do suggest that one needs to to carefully > > consider how exactly they will operate their system and what level of > > investment ($$$, sweat equity, real estate) they?re wiling or able to put > > into a remote system. Flex?s approach is certainly successful, but it > is a > > complex and more expensive system that has taken many more years to > develop > > than what Flex initially announced. Electraft?s approach is ?simpler? in > > terms of making it possible to operate remotely, but it does appear > > relatively ?kludgy? given that it could certainly be streamlined if they > > thought it is worth the time and effort. If one is focused on ?pickup > > and go? remote operation, the Flex Maestro (or SmartSDR on a laptop or > > SmartSDR for iOS on an Apple iPad) is certainly easier to manage than > > taking the K3/0-Mini with remote Rig setup. i have transported both the > > Maestro and K3/0-Mini w/Remote Rig in their respective Pelican Cases > > between locations before so I appreciate the steps needed to take down > and > > setup this equipment. I later purchased used K3/O-Mini and Maestro > devices > > to eliminate the need to transport (and take up space in my vehicle) > > between Texas (Fall/Winter) and New England (Spring/Summer) when cargo > > space is at a premium when transporting the XYL, family dog and the > > clothing and other items needed at the other QTH. > > > > > > FWIW, > > > > Barry Baines, WD4ASW > > (Keller, TX) > > > > > > > > > 73, > > > Fred > > > AE4ED > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 8:12 AM Jorge Diez - CX6VM < > > cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Hello > > >> > > >> any idea if will be a new control radio for remote? Like K3/0 Mini > with > > >> remoterig integrated inside it? > > >> > > >> Maybe for Dayton will have it? > > >> > > >> -- > > >> 73, > > >> Jorge > > >> CX6VM/CW5W > > >> ______________________________________________________________ > > >> Elecraft mailing list > > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > >> > > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > >> > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W From gerry at w1ve.com Thu Mar 7 12:40:14 2019 From: gerry at w1ve.com (Gerry Hull) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 12:40:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not true, Jorge! I have used it mobile, at conventions, and many radio club demos. Don't forget about the Android client for RRC (Nano) (they need a new one, but old one works). If you have your station fully automated as far as band switching, the NANO client works perfectly on your phone. I understand what you are asking for -- and it will come! 73, Gerry W1VE / VE1RM On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 12:26 PM Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: > Hello Gerry > > Elecraft + remoterig works very good. > > I think once?s VY1AAA setup was ready, you left it there for all this > years. > > I am thinking about the case i need to travel every week, 3 days a week, > and i want to take my remote solution with me. > > Something easiest to connect and get ready will be grate for this cases > > 73, > Jorge > > El jue., 7 mar. 2019 a las 13:45, Gerry Hull () escribi?: > >> I have four years of experience using the RemoteRig boxes with both the >> K3/0 Full-size box and the K3/0 Mini. >> >> One must remember that the RRC 1258 boxes are not purpose-built for >> Elecraft, though the solution is elegant, and works flawlessly week after >> week once it has >> been configured properly. >> >> Comparing the Flex solution of the Elecraft + RemoteRig solution is >> comparing Apples to Oranges. I would hold Flex to an even higher >> standard: It's a one-company solution, designed way after the Elecraft + >> RemoteRig stuff was on the market. >> >> Hopefully, the K4, or what is ever next from Elecraft, will have >> a detachable front panel --- and the connection between the front panel >> and >> radio chassis will be Ethernet! (One can dream). >> >> So Flex and Elecraft, I believe, pretty much own the Remote market, which >> is growing rapidly. I'm sure Eric and team are not sitting on their >> hands >> regarding remote. >> >> I just passed 25,000 QSOs from VY1AAA, remoting from 4500km away in New >> Hampshire. The remote end is simple DSL. The technology rocks. >> Packaging is the result of multiple vendors. >> >> 73, >> >> Gerry Hull, W1VE / VE1RM >> Trustee, VY1AAA >> Hancock, NH >> >> Gerry Hull, W1VE Hancock, NH USA >> Member: ARRL, YCCC, YCCCN, CW Ops >> gerry at w1ve.com ph: 1-617-CW-SPARK (find me) >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 11:56 AM Barry Baines via Elecraft < >> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: >> >> > Fred: >> > >> > >> > > On Feb 28, 2019, at 8:20 AM, Fred Massey wrote: >> > > >> > > A K3/0 that could directly connect over the internet with a K3s (K3s+ >> or >> > > K4) is really needed. The remoterig is relatively difficult and old >> > tech. >> > > The client server architecture like flex is using is what is needed. >> > >> > >> > I use the existing K3/0-Mini and Remote Rig with my K3 and the Flex-6700 >> > through Maestro remotely. Both approaches have their advantages and >> > disadvantages and in essence we?re comparing apples to oranges. >> > >> > The K3 approach through Remote Rig is admittedly ?kludgy? given external >> > boxes, cabling, and settings. However, once up and running it is very >> good >> > and reliable. Most importantly, the system requires little bandwidth for >> > radio control and audio. I can use the K3 remote system controlling a K3 >> > station in rural southeast Georgia which has a DSL connection and max >> > upload of 1.2 MBps. In most cases, it is 768 Mbps. In addition, it is >> a >> > ?self-contained? system where no one else has connectivity and the >> > connection is directly between the remote and the K3. I am not >> dependent >> > upon Elecraft to maintain a system for managing my connections. >> However, >> > this approach also requires separate means to manage the KPA500 and >> KAT500. >> > >> > The Remote Rig RC-1216H provides a web interface for the KPA500 and I >> use >> > a second RC-1216H to control the rotor (Green Heron RT-21 managing an >> Orion >> > Rotor). Of course, there isn?t a panadapter remote option which would >> take >> > uplink bandwidth. What I miss is the direct controllability of the >> KAT500 >> > which requires the KAT500 utility to be controlled remotely. I?ve done >> > this using a Serial-to-Ethernet converter, but I don?t llke it because >> it >> > requires a PC to run it. I hope at some point that Remote Rig would >> > upgrade the firmware to manage the KAT500 so that I can use any >> web-capable >> > device (iPad, iPhone, Mac, PC, etc.). >> > >> > Overall, the system works very well and I?ve been using it since >> September >> > 2014 without problems. I now keep a K3/0-Mini system at two different >> > locations (Texas and New England) both of which cannot support a ham >> > station on site. >> > >> > The Flex System overcomes some of the weaknesses of the K3 approach and >> of >> > course it has a remote panadapter capabiity. But it has taken Flex over >> > five years to provide the remote capability at significantly higher cost >> > and requires greater upload bandwidth. SmartSDR 2.0 was introduced in >> 2017 >> > which means for four years I could only operate the Flex-6700 when at >> the >> > shack. Flex?s approach is dependent upon a server-based system to >> > establish a secure link, a license fee if you?re upgrading from Version >> 1 >> > to Version 2 or Version 2 to (just announced) Version 3 of SmartSDR. >> Flex >> > Radio has to maintain a server system to control access remotely. The >> PGXL >> > amplifier can be controlled directly through Maestro or a PC running >> > SmartSDR v2.xx operating from a remote site. However, the ?Tuner >> Genius? >> > that is promised to go with the PGXL has not been released, so I?m >> limited >> > to using my EFHW antenna to the KAT500 and the K3 setup since I do need >> to >> > use a tuner with it. I will say that the bandwidth requirements of the >> > Flex under the current V2.49 SmartSDR is significantly less than in the >> > past so it works more reliably in ?Low Bandwidth" mode. I also keep a >> > Maestro in both Texas and New England. >> > >> > Having two different remote systems with different feature sets does >> > provide some advantages: >> > >> > -Redundancy. In the event one system has a remote issue, I have the >> other >> > to use as a backup. >> > >> > -Flexibility. I like to ?listen? so much of my time is spent listening >> or >> > participating on nets. The K3 setup works well since I?m not >> particularly >> > ?hunting? for signals where a panadapter would be useful. Simply turn >> on >> > the K3 and I?m on the last frequency I was tuned or I can enter the >> > frequency of interest. I have the tuner and amplifier as needed, and >> 500W >> > is usually more than sufficient for my needs. The Flex is more >> helpful >> > if I?m searching the bands with a panadapter/waterfall, but the PGXL is >> > only helpful on 10-15-20 where I have a yagi and don?t need to a tuner >> > capable of handling the PGXL. Due to bandwidth issues, the Flex system >> > does sometime ?hiccup? due to missed packets though this happens a lot >> less >> > than previously. >> > >> > -Space. I spend 90% of my operating time running remote. At my >> locations >> > in Texas and New England I have the Maestro and K3/0-Mini sitting on my >> 30? >> > x 60? office desk by the 27? Apple Display with West Mountain Radio >> > external speakers that can be used with either system. The Remote Rig >> > equipment, cabling, network ethernet switch, 120 VAC surge protected hub >> > that powers the Remote Rig equipment, network switch, Maestro, Speakers, >> > K3/0-Mini are either sitting on the floor or held in place with cable >> ties >> > attached around the desk legs, out-of-the-way and out-of-sight. Of >> course, >> > the ham shack itself in Georgia is a different matter given the amount >> of >> > equipment installed, but the operating position has the real estate to >> > handle it. (approximately 12 ft. x 30? of desk space). >> > >> > -Equipment Complexity: The K3/0-Mini and Remote Rig RRC-1258 are >> > relatively simple devices. I?ve not had any issues with these devices >> and >> > while there have been firmware upgrades they are few and not necessarily >> > required. The Maestro is a much more complex piece of equipment which >> is >> > essentially a device with built-in tablet that takes significant time to >> > boot up and has firmware that controls the various knobs and indications >> > and of course communicates with the Flex server to establish a >> connection >> > to my Flex-6700. Any update to SmartSDR (the most recent was last >> December >> > 2018 to v2.49 while Flex has announced that v3.0 will be available in >> March >> > 2019) requires an update to the Flex-6700 and Maestro. This can be done >> > remotely, but it also reflects the greater complexity of the system. >> > >> > My original Maestro (purchased new in 2017) has been recalled once at no >> > charge and sent back once for non-warranty repairs. >> > >> > -Isolation. Running remote reduces the potential for surge issues where >> > I?m actually operating as there are no external antennas. >> > >> > At the ham shack in Southeast Georgia, I have the K3 equipment >> physically >> > separate from the Flex Equipment going through separate ethernet >> switches >> > and isolated with Fiber Optic Converters for CAT5 connections to help >> > reduce the probability of surge problems or a ethernet switch failure >> in >> > the shack taking down both systems. RF connection of both systems to the >> > antennas and dummy load is thorough an Antenna Genius which provides >> high >> > isolation between antenna ports. The DSL modem and separate router are >> in >> > the house while the ham shack itself is located in an air conditioned >> room >> > located in the detached garage. I run a fiber optic cable between the >> > house and ham shack to further isolate the network equipment in the >> house >> > from the shack. >> > >> > Bottom line is that I like both systems and each system offers >> > capabilities that the other does not have. Given that I?m over 1,100 >> miles >> > from the ham shack most of the time, I?ve benefited from redundancy >> because >> > things can go wrong and cannot be fixed until my next trip to southeast >> > Georgia. Over the past year I?ve had issues with one or the other system >> > but usually the other system is still up and running. >> > >> > From the user?s perspective, I do suggest that one needs to to carefully >> > consider how exactly they will operate their system and what level of >> > investment ($$$, sweat equity, real estate) they?re wiling or able to >> put >> > into a remote system. Flex?s approach is certainly successful, but it >> is a >> > complex and more expensive system that has taken many more years to >> develop >> > than what Flex initially announced. Electraft?s approach is ?simpler? >> in >> > terms of making it possible to operate remotely, but it does appear >> > relatively ?kludgy? given that it could certainly be streamlined if they >> > thought it is worth the time and effort. If one is focused on ?pickup >> > and go? remote operation, the Flex Maestro (or SmartSDR on a laptop or >> > SmartSDR for iOS on an Apple iPad) is certainly easier to manage than >> > taking the K3/0-Mini with remote Rig setup. i have transported both the >> > Maestro and K3/0-Mini w/Remote Rig in their respective Pelican Cases >> > between locations before so I appreciate the steps needed to take down >> and >> > setup this equipment. I later purchased used K3/O-Mini and Maestro >> devices >> > to eliminate the need to transport (and take up space in my vehicle) >> > between Texas (Fall/Winter) and New England (Spring/Summer) when cargo >> > space is at a premium when transporting the XYL, family dog and the >> > clothing and other items needed at the other QTH. >> > >> > >> > FWIW, >> > >> > Barry Baines, WD4ASW >> > (Keller, TX) >> > >> > >> > >> > > 73, >> > > Fred >> > > AE4ED >> > > >> > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 8:12 AM Jorge Diez - CX6VM < >> > cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com> >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > >> Hello >> > >> >> > >> any idea if will be a new control radio for remote? Like K3/0 Mini >> with >> > >> remoterig integrated inside it? >> > >> >> > >> Maybe for Dayton will have it? >> > >> >> > >> -- >> > >> 73, >> > >> Jorge >> > >> CX6VM/CW5W >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ >> > >> Elecraft mailing list >> > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> > >> >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ >> > > Elecraft mailing list >> > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> > > >> > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > >> > ______________________________________________________________ >> > Elecraft mailing list >> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> > >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > -- > 73, > Jorge > CX6VM/CW5W > From eric at elecraft.com Thu Mar 7 12:47:24 2019 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 09:47:24 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Metric system In-Reply-To: <400772395.1169655.1551978447472@connect.xfinity.com> References: <400772395.1169655.1551978447472@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <1185466a-3b4a-3e06-303a-22d9cc34f2c0@elecraft.com> Folks - this OT thread has already had an excessive number of posts and was closed earlier in the? interest of relieving email overload for our readers.. 73, Eric Moderator etc. /elecraft.com/ On 3/7/2019 9:07 AM, JEROME SODUS wrote: > Hello, > > Aren't we really sort of into the metric system already? > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Mar 7 13:10:57 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 13:10:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: AW: K3 KPA3 bias adjust In-Reply-To: References: <0355E62F2F1BA34C97C21528C1126D7601F8A72E@EX08.ccf.net> <1ba5a029-1cd4-167e-d126-92f06a53b30c@horizon.co.fk> Message-ID: <82445657-a9d2-bb82-3a00-4ba1a1d873ef@embarqmail.com> Chuck, The instruction cited was for a 400-500 ma rise TOTAL (not per device). So I conclude your bias is set too high or there is a problem in the bias circuit. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/7/2019 9:31 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > Thanks for the info. Using xmit for the low power amp and then going to the high power amp shows a difference of 1.05A. So my devices are showing about 500+ ma each. In the ball park. > Thanks so much for the reply. > > Chuck Hawley > c-hawley at illinois.edu > > Amateur Radio, KE9UW > aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles > > ________________________________ > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of Mike Harris via Elecraft > Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 5:43 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: AW: K3 KPA3 bias adjust > > Hi, > > Forwarded a 2009 email exchange for your info. I have NOT tried this so > use with care and at your own risk. > > Regards, > > Mike VP8NO > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: AW: [Elecraft] K3 KPA3 bias adjust > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 19:46:55 +0100 > From: Koppendorfer Klaus > To: Jan Erik Holm > CC: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Locate the BIAS pot at the front of the KPA3, between the heat sink and > the KPA3 shield. Note what the display current is in the VFO B readout > when you tap the Display button and turn the VFO B knob to the current > readout. In RX, it should be 1.0A or so. In XMIT (not TUNE), it should > be about 1.90 to 2.0A when the Power knob is set to 12w or above so the > KPA3 is made active (but there is no RF output since XMIT is used). Or > you can press the PTT button but do not speak. > > If there is much more current than this, set the BIAS pot to minimum > (fully counter clockwise). Then tap XMIT (not TUNE) and note what the > current is in VFO B's readout. Slowly turn up the BIAS pot until you see > 400-500mA more current that was seen with the BIAS pot at minimum. > From c-hawley at illinois.edu Thu Mar 7 13:34:00 2019 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 18:34:00 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: AW: K3 KPA3 bias adjust In-Reply-To: <82445657-a9d2-bb82-3a00-4ba1a1d873ef@embarqmail.com> References: <0355E62F2F1BA34C97C21528C1126D7601F8A72E@EX08.ccf.net> <1ba5a029-1cd4-167e-d126-92f06a53b30c@horizon.co.fk> , <82445657-a9d2-bb82-3a00-4ba1a1d873ef@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Could you be mistaken on my procedure? The 1 amp plus or minus is typical with three K3s es that I know of. There are two devices and two trim pots. This instruction is only for one device since he says "the BIAS pot" I believe... " If there is much more current than this, set the BIAS pot to minimum (fully counter clockwise). Then tap XMIT (not TUNE) and note what the current is in VFO B's readout. Slowly turn up the BIAS pot until you see 400-500mA more current that was seen with the BIAS pot at minimum." I am looking at the total current accessible from DISP and read out on the front panel. First I go to the LPA only, read the total current drawn by the rig under XMIT SSB(no modulation) and then engage the KPA by turning up the power knob and I subtract the first reading from the second. I get about 1.05 amps. Am I close to knowing the total current into the KPA this way? I feel that this important knowledge about how to set up the amp is fuzzy or not well known...the why I asked the question. Thanks for the replies!! Chuck Hawley c-hawley at illinois.edu Amateur Radio, KE9UW aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles ________________________________ From: Don Wilhelm Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 12:10 PM To: hawley, charles j jr; elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Mike Harris Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: AW: K3 KPA3 bias adjust Chuck, The instruction cited was for a 400-500 ma rise TOTAL (not per device). So I conclude your bias is set too high or there is a problem in the bias circuit. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/7/2019 9:31 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > Thanks for the info. Using xmit for the low power amp and then going to the high power amp shows a difference of 1.05A. So my devices are showing about 500+ ma each. In the ball park. > Thanks so much for the reply. > > Chuck Hawley > c-hawley at illinois.edu > > Amateur Radio, KE9UW > aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles > > ________________________________ > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of Mike Harris via Elecraft > Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 5:43 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: AW: K3 KPA3 bias adjust > > Hi, > > Forwarded a 2009 email exchange for your info. I have NOT tried this so > use with care and at your own risk. > > Regards, > > Mike VP8NO > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: AW: [Elecraft] K3 KPA3 bias adjust > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 19:46:55 +0100 > From: Koppendorfer Klaus > To: Jan Erik Holm > CC: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Locate the BIAS pot at the front of the KPA3, between the heat sink and > the KPA3 shield. Note what the display current is in the VFO B readout > when you tap the Display button and turn the VFO B knob to the current > readout. In RX, it should be 1.0A or so. In XMIT (not TUNE), it should > be about 1.90 to 2.0A when the Power knob is set to 12w or above so the > KPA3 is made active (but there is no RF output since XMIT is used). Or > you can press the PTT button but do not speak. > > If there is much more current than this, set the BIAS pot to minimum > (fully counter clockwise). Then tap XMIT (not TUNE) and note what the > current is in VFO B's readout. Slowly turn up the BIAS pot until you see > 400-500mA more current that was seen with the BIAS pot at minimum. > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Mar 7 13:48:52 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 13:48:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: AW: K3 KPA3 bias adjust In-Reply-To: References: <0355E62F2F1BA34C97C21528C1126D7601F8A72E@EX08.ccf.net> <1ba5a029-1cd4-167e-d126-92f06a53b30c@horizon.co.fk> <82445657-a9d2-bb82-3a00-4ba1a1d873ef@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Chuck, True, but make sure that current is being distributed equally between the 2 devices.? Set both pots to full CCW and then adjust one for a 400-500ma rise, then adjust the other for another 400-500ma rise. You should then have a 1 amp rise total, but you will be assured that each device is drawing the proper amount of idle current. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/7/2019 1:34 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > Could you be mistaken on my procedure? The 1 amp plus or minus is > typical with three K3s es that I know of. There are two devices and > two trim pots. > > This instruction is only for one device since he says "the BIAS pot" I > believe... > > "If there is much more current than this, set the BIAS pot to minimum > ?(fully counter clockwise). Then tap XMIT (not TUNE) and note what the > current is in VFO B's readout. Slowly turn up the BIAS pot until you see > 400-500mA more current that was seen with the BIAS pot at minimum." > > I am looking at the total current accessible from DISP and read out on > the front panel. First I go to the LPA only, read the total current > drawn by the rig under XMIT SSB(no modulation) and then engage the KPA > by turning up the power knob and I subtract the first reading from the > second. I get about 1.05 amps. > Am I close to knowing the total current into the KPA this way? > > I feel that this important knowledge about how to set up the amp is > fuzzy or not well known...the why I asked the question. > > Thanks for the replies!! > > Chuck Hawley > ?c-hawley at illinois.edu > > ?Amateur Radio, KE9UW > ?aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Don Wilhelm > *Sent:* Thursday, March 7, 2019 12:10 PM > *To:* hawley, charles j jr; elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Mike Harris > *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: AW: K3 KPA3 bias adjust > Chuck, > > The instruction cited was for a 400-500 ma rise TOTAL (not per device). > So I conclude your bias is set too high or there is a problem in the > bias circuit. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/7/2019 9:31 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > > Thanks for the info. Using xmit for the low power amp and then going > to the high power amp shows a difference of 1.05A. So my devices are > showing about 500+ ma each. In the ball park. > > Thanks so much for the reply. > > > > Chuck Hawley > >?? c-hawley at illinois.edu > > > >?? Amateur Radio, KE9UW > >?? aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles > > > > ________________________________ > > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > on behalf of Mike Harris via > Elecraft > > Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 5:43 AM > > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: AW: K3 KPA3 bias adjust > > > > Hi, > > > > Forwarded a 2009 email exchange for your info. I have NOT tried this so > > use with care and at your own risk. > > > > Regards, > > > > Mike VP8NO > > > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > Subject: AW: [Elecraft] K3 KPA3 bias adjust > > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 19:46:55 +0100 > > From: Koppendorfer Klaus > > To: Jan Erik Holm > > CC: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > Locate the BIAS pot at the front of the KPA3, between the heat sink and > > the KPA3 shield. Note what the display current is in the VFO B readout > > when you tap the Display button and turn the VFO B knob to the current > > readout. In RX, it should be 1.0A or so.?? In XMIT (not TUNE), it should > > be about 1.90 to 2.0A when the Power knob is set to 12w or above so the > > KPA3 is made active (but there is no RF output since XMIT is used). Or > > you can press the PTT button but do not speak. > > > > If there is much more current than this, set the BIAS pot to minimum > > (fully counter clockwise). Then tap XMIT (not TUNE) and note what the > > current is in VFO B's readout. Slowly turn up the BIAS pot until you see > > 400-500mA more current that was seen with the BIAS pot at minimum. > > From k8ac at k8ac.net Thu Mar 7 14:00:03 2019 From: k8ac at k8ac.net (Floyd Sense) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 14:00:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] W2 Connection Issues Message-ID: Thanks to all who responded on this and all is now working properly.? Last evening, as I was pulling my hair out on this problem, the software suddenly recognized the W2 and I was in business.? This was after I had plugged/unplugged the W2 end of the cable dozens of times, reloaded drivers, etc.? At the time, I thought maybe the problem was a dirty or corroded plug or jack as the previous owner had never connected the W2 to his PC.? After reading these recent posts, it's also possible that I powered down/up the W2 while the software was running.? At any rate, I cleaned the plug with DeOxit and inserted it several times into the jack and it's still working well. I calibrated the W2 against my LP-100A and a setting of 498 on the W2 resulted in about 5 watts difference between the two at the 1,500 watt level.? The difference at lower power levels? was a bit more or less than that depending upon the level. 73, Floyd - K8AC Solar powered K2 and other stuff From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Mar 7 14:03:49 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 13:03:49 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: AW: K3 KPA3 bias adjust In-Reply-To: References: <0355E62F2F1BA34C97C21528C1126D7601F8A72E@EX08.ccf.net> <1ba5a029-1cd4-167e-d126-92f06a53b30c@horizon.co.fk> <82445657-a9d2-bb82-3a00-4ba1a1d873ef@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: I just looked at the current values of my K3s using the internal DISP current and voltage values. This is how it came from the factory after replacement of the KPA3A rev E amp on 5/30/2018. In RX USB mode = 1.6A? Vcc = 13.8V? Audio volume at minimum. In TX USB mode no audio,?? 10 watt PWR setting = 1.60A In TX USB mode no audio, 100 watt PWR setting = 2.91A The PWR delta is 1.31 amps In RX CW mode,? = 1.03A?? Vcc 13.8V?? Audio volume at minimum. In TX CW mode PTT closed, key open, 10 watt PWR setting 1.54A Vcc? 13.7V In TX XW mode, PTT closed, key open, 100 watt PWR setting 2.85A Vcc 13.6V The PWR delta is 1.31 amps Your values may be different if you have the 2nd receiver and can vary depending on your Vcc. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/7/2019 12:34 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > Could you be mistaken on my procedure? The 1 amp plus or minus is typical with three K3s es that I know of. There are two devices and two trim pots. > > This instruction is only for one device since he says "the BIAS pot" I believe... > > " If there is much more current than this, set the BIAS pot to minimum > (fully counter clockwise). Then tap XMIT (not TUNE) and note what the > current is in VFO B's readout. Slowly turn up the BIAS pot until you see > 400-500mA more current that was seen with the BIAS pot at minimum." > > I am looking at the total current accessible from DISP and read out on the front panel. First I go to the LPA only, read the total current drawn by the rig under XMIT SSB(no modulation) and then engage the KPA by turning up the power knob and I subtract the first reading from the second. I get about 1.05 amps. > Am I close to knowing the total current into the KPA this way? > > I feel that this important knowledge about how to set up the amp is fuzzy or not well known...the why I asked the question. > > Thanks for the replies!! > > Chuck Hawley > c-hawley at illinois.edu > > Amateur Radio, KE9UW > aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles > > ________________________________ > From: Don Wilhelm > Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 12:10 PM > To: hawley, charles j jr; elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Mike Harris > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: AW: K3 KPA3 bias adjust > > Chuck, > > The instruction cited was for a 400-500 ma rise TOTAL (not per device). > So I conclude your bias is set too high or there is a problem in the > bias circuit. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/7/2019 9:31 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: >> Thanks for the info. Using xmit for the low power amp and then going to the high power amp shows a difference of 1.05A. So my devices are showing about 500+ ma each. In the ball park. >> Thanks so much for the reply. >> >> Chuck Hawley >> c-hawley at illinois.edu >> >> Amateur Radio, KE9UW >> aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles >> >> ________________________________ >> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of Mike Harris via Elecraft >> Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 5:43 AM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: AW: K3 KPA3 bias adjust >> >> Hi, >> >> Forwarded a 2009 email exchange for your info. I have NOT tried this so >> use with care and at your own risk. >> >> Regards, >> >> Mike VP8NO >> >> >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> Subject: AW: [Elecraft] K3 KPA3 bias adjust >> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 19:46:55 +0100 >> From: Koppendorfer Klaus >> To: Jan Erik Holm >> CC: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> Locate the BIAS pot at the front of the KPA3, between the heat sink and >> the KPA3 shield. Note what the display current is in the VFO B readout >> when you tap the Display button and turn the VFO B knob to the current >> readout. In RX, it should be 1.0A or so. In XMIT (not TUNE), it should >> be about 1.90 to 2.0A when the Power knob is set to 12w or above so the >> KPA3 is made active (but there is no RF output since XMIT is used). Or >> you can press the PTT button but do not speak. >> >> If there is much more current than this, set the BIAS pot to minimum >> (fully counter clockwise). Then tap XMIT (not TUNE) and note what the >> current is in VFO B's readout. Slowly turn up the BIAS pot until you see >> 400-500mA more current that was seen with the BIAS pot at minimum. >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Mar 7 14:10:40 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 13:10:40 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KPA3 bias adjust In-Reply-To: References: <0355E62F2F1BA34C97C21528C1126D7601F8A72E@EX08.ccf.net> <1ba5a029-1cd4-167e-d126-92f06a53b30c@horizon.co.fk> <82445657-a9d2-bb82-3a00-4ba1a1d873ef@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Correction on the RX USB mode current.?? Should be 1.06 and NOT 1.6.? .......... my oops. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/7/2019 1:03 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > I just looked at the current values of my K3s using the internal DISP > current and voltage values. > > This is how it came from the factory after replacement of the KPA3A > rev E amp on 5/30/2018. > > > In RX USB mode = 1.6A ? ? ? Vcc = 13.8V? Audio volume at minimum. > <> > > In TX USB mode no audio,?? 10 watt PWR setting = 1.60A Vcc = 13.7 V > > In TX USB mode no audio, 100 watt PWR setting = 2.91A Vcc = 13.6 V > > The PWR delta is 1.31 amps > > > In RX CW mode,? = 1.03A?? Vcc 13.8V?? Audio volume at minimum. > > In TX CW mode PTT closed, key open, 10 watt PWR setting 1.54A Vcc 13.7V > > In TX XW mode, PTT closed, key open, 100 watt PWR setting 2.85A Vcc 13.6V > > The PWR delta is 1.31 amps > > > Your values may be different if you have the 2nd receiver and may > slightly vary depending on your Vcc. > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > From kg3v at chesbayva.com Thu Mar 7 14:20:34 2019 From: kg3v at chesbayva.com (kg3v at chesbayva.com) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 14:20:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator Message-ID: <1551986434.220916665@apps.rackspace.com> Does anyone have any experience using their KPA-500 with a small, portable generator? I was thinking about using a generator and an UPS, but I am finding that my small UPS does not like generator power. I am guessing some of you may have tried this at Field Day. What did you find? 73, Tom, KG3V From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Mar 7 14:20:23 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 13:20:23 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KPA3 bias adjust In-Reply-To: References: <0355E62F2F1BA34C97C21528C1126D7601F8A72E@EX08.ccf.net> <1ba5a029-1cd4-167e-d126-92f06a53b30c@horizon.co.fk> <82445657-a9d2-bb82-3a00-4ba1a1d873ef@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: When one starts tinkering with the bias not only should they look at current value but also at the IMD products while using a spectrum analyzer.? One can? tweak the values of IMD down by having the correct value of bias for each device.? They will all be slightly different.? Just because the devices have the same device number and production lot number does not mean the forward conductivity is the same nor will the IMD be lowest at a given value of current. My experience is that ~500 to ~600 ma per device is only a starting point. ?? Perhaps this is why Elecraft does not want the procedure made available. There's two kind of folks;?? Those that know what they are doing........and those that think they know what they are doing. So which group are you in? 73 Bob, K4TAX From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Mar 7 14:28:55 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 13:28:55 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator In-Reply-To: <1551986434.220916665@apps.rackspace.com> References: <1551986434.220916665@apps.rackspace.com> Message-ID: The Honda EU2200i will handle the KPA500 quite well and provide power for other items.??? You should run the generator in the ECO throttle in the OFF position as CW and SSB will have it trying to keep up with load changes.? And the new ones are rated at 2200 watts max, 1800 watts rated where as the older one was 2000 watts max.? With the EU2200i you should not need a UPS. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/7/2019 1:20 PM, kg3v at chesbayva.com wrote: > Does anyone have any experience using their KPA-500 with a small, portable generator? I was thinking about using a generator and an UPS, but I am finding that my small UPS does not like generator power. > > I am guessing some of you may have tried this at Field Day. What did you find? > > 73, > > Tom, KG3V > > __ From a.durbin at msn.com Thu Mar 7 14:29:53 2019 From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 19:29:53 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KPA3 bias adjust Message-ID: If there is only one place to measure the current then the bias adjustments surely need to be done sequentially. For the Kenwood TS-590 the procedure is to set all the bias pots to zero then measure the baseline current. Then increase pot 1 until x mA added to baseline, then increase pot 2 until y mA is added to the new current, then increase pot 3 until z mA added to total current. The final current on its own tells you nothing about how the current is divided between the devices in the final amplifier. Of course the procedure is not worth anything without knowing what each current increment should be and Kenwood changed their mind about the values after first delivery. 73, Andy k3wyc From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk Thu Mar 7 14:41:42 2019 From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 16:41:42 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: AW: K3 KPA3 bias adjust In-Reply-To: References: <0355E62F2F1BA34C97C21528C1126D7601F8A72E@EX08.ccf.net> <1ba5a029-1cd4-167e-d126-92f06a53b30c@horizon.co.fk> <82445657-a9d2-bb82-3a00-4ba1a1d873ef@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: This is interesting. When I measure the current of my early K3 #00345 using the internal display I see only a small difference when in TX at 10W or 100W power setting. Both are in the region of 2.25/2.35A TX (1.22A RX) with the internal measured voltage RX 14.1V TX 14.0V. Question is does the KPA3 have bypass mode bias control? No change if in TX test mode, ensuring no output. The bypass relay operates and the power display scales correctly with change over Hi/Lo power. These numbers compare with the PSU current meter. Anyone else seeing this? Has something gone missing with a firmware upgrade? Regards, Mike VP8NO On 07/03/2019 16:03, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > I just looked at the current values of my K3s using the internal DISP > current and voltage values. > > This is how it came from the factory after replacement of the KPA3A rev > E amp on 5/30/2018. > > > In RX USB mode = 1.6A? Vcc = 13.8V? Audio volume at minimum. > > In TX USB mode no audio,?? 10 watt PWR setting = 1.60A > > In TX USB mode no audio, 100 watt PWR setting = 2.91A > > The PWR delta is 1.31 amps > > > In RX CW mode,? = 1.03A?? Vcc 13.8V?? Audio volume at minimum. > > In TX CW mode PTT closed, key open, 10 watt PWR setting 1.54A Vcc? 13.7V > > In TX XW mode, PTT closed, key open, 100 watt PWR setting 2.85A Vcc 13.6V > > The PWR delta is 1.31 amps > > > Your values may be different if you have the 2nd receiver and can vary > depending on your Vcc. > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX From john.evans.n0hj at gmail.com Thu Mar 7 14:43:09 2019 From: john.evans.n0hj at gmail.com (John Evans) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 12:43:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator In-Reply-To: References: <1551986434.220916665@apps.rackspace.com> Message-ID: Honda just issued a stop sell order for the 2200 due to some hardware issues. https://rvdailyreport.com/industry/honda-issues-stop-sell-order-for-eu2200i-generators/?fbclid=IwAR0e810z_ppbrXdUdY6egI8F-MvVtSTwZE_cDQq9ILLMEZPUT96P4J8E5_8 On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 12:29 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > The Honda EU2200i will handle the KPA500 quite well and provide power > for other items. ... From c-hawley at illinois.edu Thu Mar 7 14:56:48 2019 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 19:56:48 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KPA3 bias adjust In-Reply-To: References: <0355E62F2F1BA34C97C21528C1126D7601F8A72E@EX08.ccf.net> <1ba5a029-1cd4-167e-d126-92f06a53b30c@horizon.co.fk> <82445657-a9d2-bb82-3a00-4ba1a1d873ef@embarqmail.com> , Message-ID: <8A0AAACE-FEAB-4C9E-82E4-B06FFBBE77B4@illinois.edu> The more answers I get, the more I fit into the first group :) Chuck KE9UW c-hawley at illinois.edu Sent from my iPad > On Mar 7, 2019, at 1:21 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > > > There's two kind of folks; Those that know what they are doing........and those that think they know what they are doing. So which group are you in? > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Mar 7 15:14:41 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 14:14:41 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator In-Reply-To: References: <1551986434.220916665@apps.rackspace.com> Message-ID: Correct.? I was just speaking with the Sales person at Hondashop.com.? The units are on a recall / hold.? They have quite a back order list.? Their price is $899.00 delivered in USA.? CA residents pay 7.375 tax.? They do not have the EU2000i as it is discontinued. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/7/2019 1:43 PM, John Evans wrote: > Honda just issued a stop sell order for the 2200 due to some hardware > issues. > > https://rvdailyreport.com/industry/honda-issues-stop-sell-order-for-eu2200i-generators/?fbclid=IwAR0e810z_ppbrXdUdY6egI8F-MvVtSTwZE_cDQq9ILLMEZPUT96P4J8E5_8 > > > On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 12:29 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX > wrote: > >> The Honda EU2200i will handle the KPA500 quite well and provide power >> for other items. ... > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From a.durbin at msn.com Thu Mar 7 15:37:48 2019 From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 20:37:48 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator Message-ID: I ran 2018 Field day as 1E with TS-590S, KAT500, and KPA500 using a Honda 2000i and a UPS. I ran the generator in economy mode with no issues but was limiting my output power to 150 W to comply with my class limit. Although not required by the rules, my entire station was generator powered so the UPS made generator shut down for refuel easy. Also a lot easier to reconfigure after the event as one one plug to move. 73, Andy, k3wyc From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Mar 7 15:53:16 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 12:53:16 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator In-Reply-To: References: <1551986434.220916665@apps.rackspace.com> Message-ID: I'm not familiar with the 2200i, but our CQP and 7QP county expedition groups have used the 2000i for years to run a K3/P3/KPA500/KAT500 station on both CW and SSB.? At times we have been able to run in ECO mode without issues, while at other times we've had issues voltage regulation with the KPA500. Short, beefy copper between the KPA500 and the generator helps.? We mostly work CW, but also do SSB. 73, Jim K9YC On 3/7/2019 11:28 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > The Honda EU2200i will handle the KPA500 quite well and provide power > for other items.??? You should run the generator in the ECO throttle > in the OFF position as CW and SSB will have it trying to keep up with > load changes.? And the new ones are rated at 2200 watts max, 1800 > watts rated where as the older one was 2000 watts max.? With the > EU2200i you should not need a UPS. > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > > On 3/7/2019 1:20 PM, kg3v at chesbayva.com wrote: >> Does anyone have any experience using their KPA-500 with a small, >> portable generator? I was thinking about using a generator and an >> UPS, but I am finding that my small UPS does not like generator power. >> ? I am guessing some of you may have tried this at Field Day. What >> did you find? >> ? 73, >> ? Tom, KG3V >> ? __ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From raysills3 at verizon.net Thu Mar 7 15:57:37 2019 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Raymond Sills) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 20:57:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator References: <1233004463.1097859.1551992257972.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1233004463.1097859.1551992257972@mail.yahoo.com> Honda generators are usually pretty good.. but nothing is perfect. ?Leaking fuel is a big red flag. There's always that Harbor Freight clone... which ought to do the job... and presumably is not affected by a fuel leak. 73 de RayK2ULRKX3 #211 -----Original Message----- From: John Evans To: elecraft Sent: Thu, Mar 7, 2019 2:44 pm Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator Honda just issued a stop sell order for the 2200 due to some hardware issues. https://rvdailyreport.com/industry/honda-issues-stop-sell-order-for-eu2200i-generators/?fbclid=IwAR0e810z_ppbrXdUdY6egI8F-MvVtSTwZE_cDQq9ILLMEZPUT96P4J8E5_8 On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 12:29 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > The Honda EU2200i will handle the KPA500 quite well and provide power > for other items.? ? ... ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From lists at subich.com Thu Mar 7 16:07:48 2019 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 16:07:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Connect KPA-500, TS-480 and MicroKeyer II In-Reply-To: <0F400585-A78A-4303-AEE1-8C9BACD7C394@me.com> References: <0c32b3b3-1cfc-b6be-1f83-cbcc044a1eb8@audiosystemsgroup.com> <8a1c770c-93c5-5737-f372-14bdfaade506@subich.com> <0F400585-A78A-4303-AEE1-8C9BACD7C394@me.com> Message-ID: On 2019-03-06 10:36 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote: > The KPA500 does NOT have a pass-through mode. Jack, thanks for the "official" information (although it is a shame there is no "pass through" mode). As it stands, any Kenwood user will need to use the "basic Cabling Diagram for Any Transceiver" (Figure 2, page 11 or the KPA-500 Owner's Manual) when using a microHAM interface. microHAM will not support any "Y" cable CAT connection. If the microHAM/KPA-500 user has a MK2R+, MK II, MK III, or DK II, the transceiver PTT Out (Amp Key, Key Line, etc.) should be routed to the "PTT In" jack on the microHAM interface and KPA-500 "Key Line" taken from the PA PTT jack of the microHAM interface. If both a KAT500 and KPA-500 are in use, the "Key Line" should be routed to the KAT-500 and then to the KPA-500 as shown in "Cabling Diagram: Elecraft K3, KPA500 and KAT500 Using E850463 Aux Interface Cables with Separate Key Line," Figure 2, page 6 of the KAT-500 Owners Manual. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2019-03-06 10:36 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote: > The KPA500 does NOT have a pass-through mode. It DOES have a serial port dedicated to communicating with Kenwood radios to extract the operating frequency. It can just monitor the serial link or it can also poll for the needed data. You will need to provide a Y cable that connects the signal coming from the radio to the computer, connecting the KPA?s XCVR port to the branch of the cable. The PC port on the KPA500 is only for controlling the amplifier. The two ports are not related in function. > > Use the RS232 X menu setting to select the port data rate to match the radio?s serial port. If you need for the KPA500 to poll the radio for the frequency, the set SER POLL to ON. > > For other cabling, connect the KEY line coming from the transceiver to one of the KAT500?s PTT RlY connectors, then connect the other PTT RLY connector to the KPA500?s PA KEY connector. These connections are shown on page 12 of the KAT500 manual. > > With this configuration the KAP500 will switch bands based on the data it receives from the transceiver, while the KAT500 will need RF to select the LC combination needed for tuning (as well as the desired antenna for that band). The KPA500 and KAT500 do not communicate, so there is no way for the KPA500 to tell the KAT500 the band. > > Note also that the KPA500 and KAT500 will switch bands quite well without the transceiver data connection as K9YC describes. > > Andy, K3WYC has created a pretty cool system with a small controller that monitors the system and sends control data to both the KAT500 and KPA500 to set them upper operation. I?lllet Andy describe that. > > I am amazed that we do not properly describe KPA500/KAT500 operation with Kenwood transceivers. I will try to bug the right people to get this fixed. > > 73! > Jack, W6FB > > >> On Mar 6, 2019, at 6:48 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >> >> Apparently the KPA-500 includes the ability to operate in a CAT >> pass through mode (like the P3) with Elecraft and Kenwood rigs >> (see Menu items RS232 P, RS232 X, RADIO, and SER POLL). >> >> *UNFORTUNATELY* the Kenwood configuration is not documented in the >> KPA-500 Owners Manual (unlike the Icom "band voltage" and Yaesu BCD >> control configurations). >> >> It would greatly assist non-Elecraft owners if the KPA-500 Owners >> Manual included explicit diagrams and configuration settings for >> Icom, Yaesu and Kenwood (RS-232 CAT ONLY) transceivers along the >> lines of Figure 4 on page 13 for the K3 using "KPAK3AUX Cable and >> Separate Key Line". >> >> Without documentation (including information showing if RTS/CTS is >> passed through from the transceiver as expected by Kenwood rigs >> or whether the KPA-500 provides a CTS "pull up" on the RS-232 (XCVR) >> jack) from Elecraft or access to a KPA-500 for "hands on engineering" >> it is not possible for third party suppliers to provide any support >> for (Kenwood) configurations that include KPA-500/KAT500 . >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 2019-03-06 8:00 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >>> The KPA500 and KAT500 both detect transmitting frequency with as little as a tap on the mic or a dit at 35 wpm, and switch almost instantaneously. All they need is PTT (Amp Key) from the rig to an RCA jack that loops through the KPA500 to the KAT500 with an RCA-RCA jumper. That "loop-through" allows the KPA500 to prevent auto-tuning while the power amp is active. The KAT500 has three operating modes that can be programmed from Elecraft's control program -- Auto, Manual, and Bypass. In general, the KAT500 remembers the last settings you used the last time you were on that band, and for which of the three outputs. >>> 73, Jim K9YC >>> On 3/6/2019 12:37 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>>> I have >>>> no information about adding the KPA500/KAT500 into the mix as I >>>> do not know if/how the KPA500/KAT500 acquires frequency/band data >>>> from the TS-480. >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From jackbrindle at me.com Thu Mar 7 16:25:15 2019 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 13:25:15 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Connect KPA-500, TS-480 and MicroKeyer II In-Reply-To: References: <0c32b3b3-1cfc-b6be-1f83-cbcc044a1eb8@audiosystemsgroup.com> <8a1c770c-93c5-5737-f372-14bdfaade506@subich.com> <0F400585-A78A-4303-AEE1-8C9BACD7C394@me.com> Message-ID: <5B5F6736-8AB3-46A4-9596-3C70695336B5@me.com> Joe; The Y connection on the KPA500 in this situation is listen-only. Since the microHAM interface is doing all the polling it should not care if the KPA500 (for any other device) is just listening, as long as these devices do not connect to the same line the microHAM is sending on. When the KPA500 is set for SERPOLL = OFF, it is completely disconnected from that line, and is in pure listen-only mode. Do you see anything wrong with this situation as far as the microHAM interface is concerned?? 73! Jack, W6FB > On Mar 7, 2019, at 1:07 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > On 2019-03-06 10:36 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote: > > The KPA500 does NOT have a pass-through mode. > > Jack, thanks for the "official" information (although it is > a shame there is no "pass through" mode). > > As it stands, any Kenwood user will need to use the "basic Cabling > Diagram for Any Transceiver" (Figure 2, page 11 or the KPA-500 > Owner's Manual) when using a microHAM interface. microHAM will not > support any "Y" cable CAT connection. > > If the microHAM/KPA-500 user has a MK2R+, MK II, MK III, or DK II, > the transceiver PTT Out (Amp Key, Key Line, etc.) should be routed > to the "PTT In" jack on the microHAM interface and KPA-500 "Key Line" > taken from the PA PTT jack of the microHAM interface. If both a > KAT500 and KPA-500 are in use, the "Key Line" should be routed to > the KAT-500 and then to the KPA-500 as shown in "Cabling Diagram: > Elecraft K3, KPA500 and KAT500 Using E850463 Aux Interface Cables > with Separate Key Line," Figure 2, page 6 of the KAT-500 Owners > Manual. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2019-03-06 10:36 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote: >> The KPA500 does NOT have a pass-through mode. It DOES have a serial port dedicated to communicating with Kenwood radios to extract the operating frequency. It can just monitor the serial link or it can also poll for the needed data. You will need to provide a Y cable that connects the signal coming from the radio to the computer, connecting the KPA?s XCVR port to the branch of the cable. The PC port on the KPA500 is only for controlling the amplifier. The two ports are not related in function. >> Use the RS232 X menu setting to select the port data rate to match the radio?s serial port. If you need for the KPA500 to poll the radio for the frequency, the set SER POLL to ON. >> For other cabling, connect the KEY line coming from the transceiver to one of the KAT500?s PTT RlY connectors, then connect the other PTT RLY connector to the KPA500?s PA KEY connector. These connections are shown on page 12 of the KAT500 manual. >> With this configuration the KAP500 will switch bands based on the data it receives from the transceiver, while the KAT500 will need RF to select the LC combination needed for tuning (as well as the desired antenna for that band). The KPA500 and KAT500 do not communicate, so there is no way for the KPA500 to tell the KAT500 the band. >> Note also that the KPA500 and KAT500 will switch bands quite well without the transceiver data connection as K9YC describes. >> Andy, K3WYC has created a pretty cool system with a small controller that monitors the system and sends control data to both the KAT500 and KPA500 to set them upper operation. I?lllet Andy describe that. >> I am amazed that we do not properly describe KPA500/KAT500 operation with Kenwood transceivers. I will try to bug the right people to get this fixed. >> 73! >> Jack, W6FB >>> On Mar 6, 2019, at 6:48 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>> >>> >>> Apparently the KPA-500 includes the ability to operate in a CAT >>> pass through mode (like the P3) with Elecraft and Kenwood rigs >>> (see Menu items RS232 P, RS232 X, RADIO, and SER POLL). >>> >>> *UNFORTUNATELY* the Kenwood configuration is not documented in the >>> KPA-500 Owners Manual (unlike the Icom "band voltage" and Yaesu BCD >>> control configurations). >>> >>> It would greatly assist non-Elecraft owners if the KPA-500 Owners >>> Manual included explicit diagrams and configuration settings for >>> Icom, Yaesu and Kenwood (RS-232 CAT ONLY) transceivers along the >>> lines of Figure 4 on page 13 for the K3 using "KPAK3AUX Cable and >>> Separate Key Line". >>> >>> Without documentation (including information showing if RTS/CTS is >>> passed through from the transceiver as expected by Kenwood rigs >>> or whether the KPA-500 provides a CTS "pull up" on the RS-232 (XCVR) >>> jack) from Elecraft or access to a KPA-500 for "hands on engineering" >>> it is not possible for third party suppliers to provide any support >>> for (Kenwood) configurations that include KPA-500/KAT500 . >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> ... Joe, W4TV >>> >>> >>> On 2019-03-06 8:00 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >>>> The KPA500 and KAT500 both detect transmitting frequency with as little as a tap on the mic or a dit at 35 wpm, and switch almost instantaneously. All they need is PTT (Amp Key) from the rig to an RCA jack that loops through the KPA500 to the KAT500 with an RCA-RCA jumper. That "loop-through" allows the KPA500 to prevent auto-tuning while the power amp is active. The KAT500 has three operating modes that can be programmed from Elecraft's control program -- Auto, Manual, and Bypass. In general, the KAT500 remembers the last settings you used the last time you were on that band, and for which of the three outputs. >>>> 73, Jim K9YC >>>> On 3/6/2019 12:37 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>>>> I have >>>>> no information about adding the KPA500/KAT500 into the mix as I >>>>> do not know if/how the KPA500/KAT500 acquires frequency/band data >>>>> from the TS-480. >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From lists at subich.com Thu Mar 7 16:41:48 2019 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 16:41:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Connect KPA-500, TS-480 and MicroKeyer II In-Reply-To: <5B5F6736-8AB3-46A4-9596-3C70695336B5@me.com> References: <0c32b3b3-1cfc-b6be-1f83-cbcc044a1eb8@audiosystemsgroup.com> <8a1c770c-93c5-5737-f372-14bdfaade506@subich.com> <0F400585-A78A-4303-AEE1-8C9BACD7C394@me.com> <5B5F6736-8AB3-46A4-9596-3C70695336B5@me.com> Message-ID: <6f012270-f253-92e1-ac4d-f71a0cd1b644@subich.com> > Do you see anything wrong with this situation as far as the microHAM > interface is concerned?? Not as far as the microHAM interface is concerned from a hardware standpoint. However, lacking *proper documentation* of the "Y" cable, it is a support nightmare (as I have discovered with other amplifiers and antenna controllers that claim to be "listen only"). As such, the policy is now "no support for *any* "Y" cable CAT connection." 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2019-03-07 4:25 PM, Jack Brindle wrote: > Joe; > > The Y connection on the KPA500 in this situation is listen-only. Since the microHAM interface is doing all the polling it should not care if the KPA500 (for any other device) is just listening, as long as these devices do not connect to the same line the microHAM is sending on. When the KPA500 is set for SERPOLL = OFF, it is completely disconnected from that line, and is in pure listen-only mode. > > Do you see anything wrong with this situation as far as the microHAM interface is concerned?? > > 73! > Jack, W6FB > >> On Mar 7, 2019, at 1:07 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >> >> On 2019-03-06 10:36 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote: >>> The KPA500 does NOT have a pass-through mode. >> >> Jack, thanks for the "official" information (although it is >> a shame there is no "pass through" mode). >> >> As it stands, any Kenwood user will need to use the "basic Cabling >> Diagram for Any Transceiver" (Figure 2, page 11 or the KPA-500 >> Owner's Manual) when using a microHAM interface. microHAM will not >> support any "Y" cable CAT connection. >> >> If the microHAM/KPA-500 user has a MK2R+, MK II, MK III, or DK II, >> the transceiver PTT Out (Amp Key, Key Line, etc.) should be routed >> to the "PTT In" jack on the microHAM interface and KPA-500 "Key Line" >> taken from the PA PTT jack of the microHAM interface. If both a >> KAT500 and KPA-500 are in use, the "Key Line" should be routed to >> the KAT-500 and then to the KPA-500 as shown in "Cabling Diagram: >> Elecraft K3, KPA500 and KAT500 Using E850463 Aux Interface Cables >> with Separate Key Line," Figure 2, page 6 of the KAT-500 Owners >> Manual. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 2019-03-06 10:36 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote: >>> The KPA500 does NOT have a pass-through mode. It DOES have a serial port dedicated to communicating with Kenwood radios to extract the operating frequency. It can just monitor the serial link or it can also poll for the needed data. You will need to provide a Y cable that connects the signal coming from the radio to the computer, connecting the KPA?s XCVR port to the branch of the cable. The PC port on the KPA500 is only for controlling the amplifier. The two ports are not related in function. >>> Use the RS232 X menu setting to select the port data rate to match the radio?s serial port. If you need for the KPA500 to poll the radio for the frequency, the set SER POLL to ON. >>> For other cabling, connect the KEY line coming from the transceiver to one of the KAT500?s PTT RlY connectors, then connect the other PTT RLY connector to the KPA500?s PA KEY connector. These connections are shown on page 12 of the KAT500 manual. >>> With this configuration the KAP500 will switch bands based on the data it receives from the transceiver, while the KAT500 will need RF to select the LC combination needed for tuning (as well as the desired antenna for that band). The KPA500 and KAT500 do not communicate, so there is no way for the KPA500 to tell the KAT500 the band. >>> Note also that the KPA500 and KAT500 will switch bands quite well without the transceiver data connection as K9YC describes. >>> Andy, K3WYC has created a pretty cool system with a small controller that monitors the system and sends control data to both the KAT500 and KPA500 to set them upper operation. I?lllet Andy describe that. >>> I am amazed that we do not properly describe KPA500/KAT500 operation with Kenwood transceivers. I will try to bug the right people to get this fixed. >>> 73! >>> Jack, W6FB >>>> On Mar 6, 2019, at 6:48 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Apparently the KPA-500 includes the ability to operate in a CAT >>>> pass through mode (like the P3) with Elecraft and Kenwood rigs >>>> (see Menu items RS232 P, RS232 X, RADIO, and SER POLL). >>>> >>>> *UNFORTUNATELY* the Kenwood configuration is not documented in the >>>> KPA-500 Owners Manual (unlike the Icom "band voltage" and Yaesu BCD >>>> control configurations). >>>> >>>> It would greatly assist non-Elecraft owners if the KPA-500 Owners >>>> Manual included explicit diagrams and configuration settings for >>>> Icom, Yaesu and Kenwood (RS-232 CAT ONLY) transceivers along the >>>> lines of Figure 4 on page 13 for the K3 using "KPAK3AUX Cable and >>>> Separate Key Line". >>>> >>>> Without documentation (including information showing if RTS/CTS is >>>> passed through from the transceiver as expected by Kenwood rigs >>>> or whether the KPA-500 provides a CTS "pull up" on the RS-232 (XCVR) >>>> jack) from Elecraft or access to a KPA-500 for "hands on engineering" >>>> it is not possible for third party suppliers to provide any support >>>> for (Kenwood) configurations that include KPA-500/KAT500 . >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> ... Joe, W4TV >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2019-03-06 8:00 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >>>>> The KPA500 and KAT500 both detect transmitting frequency with as little as a tap on the mic or a dit at 35 wpm, and switch almost instantaneously. All they need is PTT (Amp Key) from the rig to an RCA jack that loops through the KPA500 to the KAT500 with an RCA-RCA jumper. That "loop-through" allows the KPA500 to prevent auto-tuning while the power amp is active. The KAT500 has three operating modes that can be programmed from Elecraft's control program -- Auto, Manual, and Bypass. In general, the KAT500 remembers the last settings you used the last time you were on that band, and for which of the three outputs. >>>>> 73, Jim K9YC >>>>> On 3/6/2019 12:37 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>>>>> I have >>>>>> no information about adding the KPA500/KAT500 into the mix as I >>>>>> do not know if/how the KPA500/KAT500 acquires frequency/band data >>>>>> from the TS-480. >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > From jackbrindle at me.com Thu Mar 7 17:14:35 2019 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 14:14:35 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Connect KPA-500, TS-480 and MicroKeyer II In-Reply-To: <6f012270-f253-92e1-ac4d-f71a0cd1b644@subich.com> References: <0c32b3b3-1cfc-b6be-1f83-cbcc044a1eb8@audiosystemsgroup.com> <8a1c770c-93c5-5737-f372-14bdfaade506@subich.com> <0F400585-A78A-4303-AEE1-8C9BACD7C394@me.com> <5B5F6736-8AB3-46A4-9596-3C70695336B5@me.com> <6f012270-f253-92e1-ac4d-f71a0cd1b644@subich.com> Message-ID: <93882A10-F3C9-47B3-9FA7-6F532AB7EE6E@me.com> OK. Well, for the record, we have a relay in the outbound data line from the KPA500 on the XCVR port. With SERPOLL = OFF, it disconnects the signal so there is no drive on that signal from the KPA. SERPOLL = ON enables it. 73! Jack, W6FB > On Mar 7, 2019, at 1:41 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > > Do you see anything wrong with this situation as far as the microHAM > > interface is concerned?? > > Not as far as the microHAM interface is concerned from a hardware > standpoint. > > However, lacking *proper documentation* of the "Y" cable, it is a > support nightmare (as I have discovered with other amplifiers and > antenna controllers that claim to be "listen only"). As such, the > policy is now "no support for *any* "Y" cable CAT connection." > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2019-03-07 4:25 PM, Jack Brindle wrote: >> Joe; >> The Y connection on the KPA500 in this situation is listen-only. Since the microHAM interface is doing all the polling it should not care if the KPA500 (for any other device) is just listening, as long as these devices do not connect to the same line the microHAM is sending on. When the KPA500 is set for SERPOLL = OFF, it is completely disconnected from that line, and is in pure listen-only mode. >> Do you see anything wrong with this situation as far as the microHAM interface is concerned?? >> 73! >> Jack, W6FB >>> On Mar 7, 2019, at 1:07 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 2019-03-06 10:36 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote: >>>> The KPA500 does NOT have a pass-through mode. >>> >>> Jack, thanks for the "official" information (although it is >>> a shame there is no "pass through" mode). >>> >>> As it stands, any Kenwood user will need to use the "basic Cabling >>> Diagram for Any Transceiver" (Figure 2, page 11 or the KPA-500 >>> Owner's Manual) when using a microHAM interface. microHAM will not >>> support any "Y" cable CAT connection. >>> >>> If the microHAM/KPA-500 user has a MK2R+, MK II, MK III, or DK II, >>> the transceiver PTT Out (Amp Key, Key Line, etc.) should be routed >>> to the "PTT In" jack on the microHAM interface and KPA-500 "Key Line" >>> taken from the PA PTT jack of the microHAM interface. If both a >>> KAT500 and KPA-500 are in use, the "Key Line" should be routed to >>> the KAT-500 and then to the KPA-500 as shown in "Cabling Diagram: >>> Elecraft K3, KPA500 and KAT500 Using E850463 Aux Interface Cables >>> with Separate Key Line," Figure 2, page 6 of the KAT-500 Owners >>> Manual. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> ... Joe, W4TV >>> >>> >>> On 2019-03-06 10:36 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote: >>>> The KPA500 does NOT have a pass-through mode. It DOES have a serial port dedicated to communicating with Kenwood radios to extract the operating frequency. It can just monitor the serial link or it can also poll for the needed data. You will need to provide a Y cable that connects the signal coming from the radio to the computer, connecting the KPA?s XCVR port to the branch of the cable. The PC port on the KPA500 is only for controlling the amplifier. The two ports are not related in function. >>>> Use the RS232 X menu setting to select the port data rate to match the radio?s serial port. If you need for the KPA500 to poll the radio for the frequency, the set SER POLL to ON. >>>> For other cabling, connect the KEY line coming from the transceiver to one of the KAT500?s PTT RlY connectors, then connect the other PTT RLY connector to the KPA500?s PA KEY connector. These connections are shown on page 12 of the KAT500 manual. >>>> With this configuration the KAP500 will switch bands based on the data it receives from the transceiver, while the KAT500 will need RF to select the LC combination needed for tuning (as well as the desired antenna for that band). The KPA500 and KAT500 do not communicate, so there is no way for the KPA500 to tell the KAT500 the band. >>>> Note also that the KPA500 and KAT500 will switch bands quite well without the transceiver data connection as K9YC describes. >>>> Andy, K3WYC has created a pretty cool system with a small controller that monitors the system and sends control data to both the KAT500 and KPA500 to set them upper operation. I?lllet Andy describe that. >>>> I am amazed that we do not properly describe KPA500/KAT500 operation with Kenwood transceivers. I will try to bug the right people to get this fixed. >>>> 73! >>>> Jack, W6FB >>>>> On Mar 6, 2019, at 6:48 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Apparently the KPA-500 includes the ability to operate in a CAT >>>>> pass through mode (like the P3) with Elecraft and Kenwood rigs >>>>> (see Menu items RS232 P, RS232 X, RADIO, and SER POLL). >>>>> >>>>> *UNFORTUNATELY* the Kenwood configuration is not documented in the >>>>> KPA-500 Owners Manual (unlike the Icom "band voltage" and Yaesu BCD >>>>> control configurations). >>>>> >>>>> It would greatly assist non-Elecraft owners if the KPA-500 Owners >>>>> Manual included explicit diagrams and configuration settings for >>>>> Icom, Yaesu and Kenwood (RS-232 CAT ONLY) transceivers along the >>>>> lines of Figure 4 on page 13 for the K3 using "KPAK3AUX Cable and >>>>> Separate Key Line". >>>>> >>>>> Without documentation (including information showing if RTS/CTS is >>>>> passed through from the transceiver as expected by Kenwood rigs >>>>> or whether the KPA-500 provides a CTS "pull up" on the RS-232 (XCVR) >>>>> jack) from Elecraft or access to a KPA-500 for "hands on engineering" >>>>> it is not possible for third party suppliers to provide any support >>>>> for (Kenwood) configurations that include KPA-500/KAT500 . >>>>> >>>>> 73, >>>>> >>>>> ... Joe, W4TV >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2019-03-06 8:00 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >>>>>> The KPA500 and KAT500 both detect transmitting frequency with as little as a tap on the mic or a dit at 35 wpm, and switch almost instantaneously. All they need is PTT (Amp Key) from the rig to an RCA jack that loops through the KPA500 to the KAT500 with an RCA-RCA jumper. That "loop-through" allows the KPA500 to prevent auto-tuning while the power amp is active. The KAT500 has three operating modes that can be programmed from Elecraft's control program -- Auto, Manual, and Bypass. In general, the KAT500 remembers the last settings you used the last time you were on that band, and for which of the three outputs. >>>>>> 73, Jim K9YC >>>>>> On 3/6/2019 12:37 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>>>>>> I have >>>>>>> no information about adding the KPA500/KAT500 into the mix as I >>>>>>> do not know if/how the KPA500/KAT500 acquires frequency/band data >>>>>>> from the TS-480. >>>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From ve3bwp at gmail.com Thu Mar 7 17:26:31 2019 From: ve3bwp at gmail.com (Brian Pietrzyk (ve3bwp)) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 17:26:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s computer sound card and CAT control Message-ID: <110DE89C-445C-4E83-B2B3-593AF7187018@gmail.com> Sorry folks this has probably been asked a 1000 times before. I?m connecting my new k3s to my mac for the first time. I?ve used MacLogger DX lots with other radios including my kx3. Page 18 of the k3s manual describes the first function of the USB port as ?Commands from logging/contesting software? as well as sound card i/o audio. Does this mean it supports CAT control as well as audio i/o on the one USB connection or do I still need to KUSB cable along side it for CAT control? I?m assuming the K3 utility only works with the KUSB to do firmware checks and such? Also I have a P3 and I would like to keep be able to use the K3 utility connected to the rig. P19 of the manual if I read it correctly it looks like they are suggesting swapping out the (CBLP3Y) RG45 to DB9 Y cable for the (E980297) RJ45 to single DB9 and then connect the KUSB PC USB cable to the computer. So I?m confused why they would ever need the CBLP3Y ?Y? cable in the first place? I?m trying to do the RTFM thing and even bought the John Cady book but some of this some of the rationale is still alluding me. All and any help would be a appreciated. Brian ve3bwp From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Mar 7 17:50:38 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 17:50:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s computer sound card and CAT control In-Reply-To: <110DE89C-445C-4E83-B2B3-593AF7187018@gmail.com> References: <110DE89C-445C-4E83-B2B3-593AF7187018@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4001ee68-239c-fbe9-08df-d76b363cbbc9@embarqmail.com> Brian, Yes, the K3S has both an internal FTDI USB to serial adapter and a USB soundcard - Usually the computer identifies it as USB AUDIO CODEC. The connection shown on page 19 is for a basic connection using an RS232 port (or adapter). If you do it that way, you would not use the USB cable for PC to K3S communications, but use the RS232 connection instead. Easiest solution is to use the CBLP3Y cable. The way the internal USB to serial adapter is wired, the RS-232 is split into RS-232 out and RS-232 in at the RJ45 jack. So with the CBLP3Y cable, the data is sent to the P3 RS232 connector, and the P3 turns it around and sends it back to the K3 for use in the K3S itself. The K3S to P3 connection with that cable is shown in the P3 manual. There is no need for any other cable for PC to P3 or PC to K3S communication. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/7/2019 5:26 PM, Brian Pietrzyk (ve3bwp) wrote: > Sorry folks this has probably been asked a 1000 times before. > > I?m connecting my new k3s to my mac for the first time. I?ve used MacLogger DX lots with other radios including my kx3. > > Page 18 of the k3s manual describes the first function of the USB port as ?Commands from logging/contesting software? as well as sound card i/o audio. Does this mean it supports CAT control as well as audio i/o on the one USB connection or do I still need to KUSB cable along side it for CAT control? > > I?m assuming the K3 utility only works with the KUSB to do firmware checks and such? > > Also I have a P3 and I would like to keep be able to use the K3 utility connected to the rig. > > P19 of the manual if I read it correctly it looks like they are suggesting swapping out the (CBLP3Y) RG45 to DB9 Y cable for the (E980297) RJ45 to single DB9 and then connect the KUSB PC USB cable to the computer. So I?m confused why they would ever need the CBLP3Y ?Y? cable in the first place? > > I?m trying to do the RTFM thing and even bought the John Cady book but some of this some of the rationale is still alluding me. > > All and any help would be a appreciated. > > Brian ve3bwp > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From nr4c at widomaker.com Thu Mar 7 18:14:45 2019 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 18:14:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KPA3 bias adjust In-Reply-To: <8A0AAACE-FEAB-4C9E-82E4-B06FFBBE77B4@illinois.edu> References: <0355E62F2F1BA34C97C21528C1126D7601F8A72E@EX08.ccf.net> <1ba5a029-1cd4-167e-d126-92f06a53b30c@horizon.co.fk> <82445657-a9d2-bb82-3a00-4ba1a1d873ef@embarqmail.com> <8A0AAACE-FEAB-4C9E-82E4-B06FFBBE77B4@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Yeah, I KNOW what I?m doing. I?m leaving my K3(s) alone! Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 7, 2019, at 2:56 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > > The more answers I get, the more I fit into the first group :) > > Chuck KE9UW > c-hawley at illinois.edu > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Mar 7, 2019, at 1:21 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: >> >> >> There's two kind of folks; Those that know what they are doing........and those that think they know what they are doing. So which group are you in? >> >> 73 >> >> Bob, K4TAX >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From nr4c at widomaker.com Thu Mar 7 18:18:41 2019 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 18:18:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Problem - Frequency Jump In-Reply-To: <86ED51EB-C26F-4593-8708-8C1A0EA3B214@comcast.net> References: <5C9D055F-7AF7-4B9B-9F7D-B0CDE5DEE53D@comcast.net> <79474FB1-C3DF-4E97-B6A9-8A80958A83B3@widomaker.com> <86ED51EB-C26F-4593-8708-8C1A0EA3B214@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4F902C1B-789E-4CC8-ABC8-39525B9BA37E@widomaker.com> Don?t you hate it when the culprit is so simple? Glad you found it. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 7, 2019, at 10:25 AM, John Stengrevics wrote: > > Thanks Bill. Yes, that seems to have been the problem. > > 73, > > John > WA1EAZ > >> On Mar 7, 2019, at 10:24 AM, Nr4c wrote: >> >> Check RIT/XIT. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ...nr4c. bill >> >> >>> On Mar 6, 2019, at 9:24 PM, John Stengrevics wrote: >>> >>> I have been using my K3S on WSJT-X without any problems. Today, the frequency appears to have shifted .7 KHz low. That is, if I were on 50.313 MHz FT8, I now have to tune to 50.3137 to decode signals. >>> >>> I would appreciate any suggestions. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> John >>> WA1EAZ >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > From a.durbin at msn.com Thu Mar 7 18:39:33 2019 From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 23:39:33 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Connect KPA-500, TS-480 and MicroKeyer II Message-ID: Is the level of knowledge in this hobby really so low that people don't understand that RS-232 will support multiple "listeners". The real issue is whether the MicroHam interface polls (deliberate use of the term) the Kenwood rig for the parameters required by the KPA500. I don't know the minimum required data set but the KPA500 does a good job of determining TX frequency if FA, FB and IF are available. 73, Andy, k3wyc From john at kk9a.com Thu Mar 7 19:17:20 2019 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 19:17:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Connect KPA-500, TS-480 and MicroKeyer II Message-ID: <000001d4d544$4c376c20$e4a64460$@com> FWIW, I split my K3S ACC to a KAT-500, Top Ten Band decoder and a MicroHAM Digikeyer and they all work perfectly together. John KK9A Andy Durbin wrote: ] Is the level of knowledge in this hobby really so low that people don't understand that RS-232 will support multiple "listeners". The real issue is whether the MicroHam interface polls (deliberate use of the term) the Kenwood rig for the parameters required by the KPA500. I don't know the minimum required data set but the KPA500 does a good job of determining TX frequency if FA, FB and IF are available. 73, Andy, k3wyc From kc6cnn at gmail.com Thu Mar 7 19:22:55 2019 From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (KC6CNN) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 17:22:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft W2 For Sale Message-ID: <1552004575984-0.post@n2.nabble.com> I have a factory built W2 with the 2000 watt sensor for $250 Feel Free to contact me off list for any photos or questions. Thank you Gerald KC6CNN ----- KC6CNN - Gerald K3 # 6294 KX3 # 757 -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From jackbrindle at me.com Thu Mar 7 19:49:02 2019 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 16:49:02 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Connect KPA-500, TS-480 and MicroKeyer II In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <588C6944-6039-4085-A6D2-50AA14A616AB@me.com> In fact that is exactly what the KPA500 is looking for. When SERPOLL = ON, it sends ?IF;FA;FB;? to the XCVR port. From the response information it determines the Kenwood transceiver?s frequency whether it comes from VFOA, VFOB or one of the memory settings. 73! Jack, W6FB > On Mar 7, 2019, at 3:39 PM, Andy Durbin wrote: > > > Is the level of knowledge in this hobby really so low that people don't understand that RS-232 will support multiple "listeners". The real issue is whether the MicroHam interface polls (deliberate use of the term) the Kenwood rig for the parameters required by the KPA500. I don't know the minimum required data set but the KPA500 does a good job of determining TX frequency if FA, FB and IF are available. > > 73, > Andy, k3wyc > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From wrjohnson45 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 7 20:07:46 2019 From: wrjohnson45 at hotmail.com (William Johnson) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 01:07:46 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft W2 For Sale In-Reply-To: <1552004575984-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1552004575984-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Is that the vhf version sensor? 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of KC6CNN Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 6:23 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft W2 For Sale I have a factory built W2 with the 2000 watt sensor for $250 Feel Free to contact me off list for any photos or questions. Thank you Gerald KC6CNN ----- KC6CNN - Gerald K3 # 6294 KX3 # 757 -- Sent from: https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Felecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C4f1f8aa8640f439b8a3108d6a35c3f47%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636876013918388454&sdata=K9MJZlP6ugI7Qj7nL2WKifQ%2FUW9yhipqEhrRH7oWxYA%3D&reserved=0 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.qth.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Felecraft&data=02%7C01%7C%7C4f1f8aa8640f439b8a3108d6a35c3f47%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636876013918398465&sdata=wGQ5tG67BEb5hmUfonVIaTAHOjA5hY4BZGfWxBgVMPk%3D&reserved=0 Help: https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.qth.net%2Fmmfaq.htm&data=02%7C01%7C%7C4f1f8aa8640f439b8a3108d6a35c3f47%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636876013918398465&sdata=nrL9PX9lygu2CDPeHWpvVHFkCe9pCb8hbeeM52ErFaM%3D&reserved=0 Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.qsl.net&data=02%7C01%7C%7C4f1f8aa8640f439b8a3108d6a35c3f47%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636876013918398465&sdata=EoYLQXhv2Hfa4hWK7YVmZGG3XVG%2BOplnXFfhR0b2WEo%3D&reserved=0 Please help support this email list: https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.qsl.net%2Fdonate.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C4f1f8aa8640f439b8a3108d6a35c3f47%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636876013918398465&sdata=zZpNqUiaboQKcGjbhGGqUBLFrPszQd4HW0gOZCffnXQ%3D&reserved=0 From vk3zmf at outlook.com Thu Mar 7 20:22:06 2019 From: vk3zmf at outlook.com (Mark Forsyth) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 01:22:06 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator In-Reply-To: <1233004463.1097859.1551992257972@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1233004463.1097859.1551992257972.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1233004463.1097859.1551992257972@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If you're thinking of using a generator at the cheaper end of the scale make sure that its output is pure sine wave and NOT modified sine wave. Cheers, Mark F... VK3ZMF / VK3KW KX3 with the lot # 1675 KXPA100 # 530 PX3 # 233 > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Raymond Sills via Elecraft > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 7:58 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator > > Honda generators are usually pretty good.. but nothing is perfect. ?Leaking > fuel is a big red flag. > There's always that Harbor Freight clone... which ought to do the job... and > presumably is not affected by a fuel leak. > 73 de RayK2ULRKX3 #211 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Evans > To: elecraft > Sent: Thu, Mar 7, 2019 2:44 pm > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator > > Honda just issued a stop sell order for the 2200 due to some hardware issues. > > https://rvdailyreport.com/industry/honda-issues-stop-sell-order-for- > eu2200i-generators/?fbclid=IwAR0e810z_ppbrXdUdY6egI8F- > MvVtSTwZE_cDQq9ILLMEZPUT96P4J8E5_8 > > > On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 12:29 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX > > wrote: > > > The Honda EU2200i will handle the KPA500 quite well and provide power > > for other items.? ? ... > __________________________________________________________ > ____ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __________________________________________________________ > ____ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From dave at nk7z.net Thu Mar 7 20:50:56 2019 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 17:50:56 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 no transmit question... Message-ID: I am writing this for a friend, who for now, has limited access to he list. He has a KPA500/KAT500/K3. All was working fine last time he used it. Today, the amp comes on, but no power. Here are the details... 1. Amp shows the "*" when it keys. 2. K3 shows KPA500 ON, when the amp comes on. 3. K3 shows KPA500 OPERATE when it is switched to operate. 4. The K3 reduces power when the KPA500 is in operate mode. 5. No fault is indicated. I loomed at TX INHIB, on the K3, and it is OFF as it should be. All cables are tight... I just got my KPA500 last week, so my experience is limited. What am I missing? He will call Elecraft tomorrow, but I want to know if it is a setting issue, or something broke. -- 73s and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net Award Manager, 30MDG Grid Awards ARRL Technical Specialist ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL OOC for Oregon From vk3zmf at outlook.com Thu Mar 7 20:58:06 2019 From: vk3zmf at outlook.com (Mark Forsyth) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 01:58:06 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator In-Reply-To: <73140e47-535e-4e47-8a69-93e8fc9cf864@blomand.net> References: <1233004463.1097859.1551992257972.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1233004463.1097859.1551992257972@mail.yahoo.com> <73140e47-535e-4e47-8a69-93e8fc9cf864@blomand.net> Message-ID: That'd probably be fine. The el-cheapo generators I refer to usually specify "modified sine wave" output which when looked at on a CRO looks more like a square wave with slightly rounded corners. Some or even most switch mode power supplies can cope quite badly with a wave form that's more square than sine. Cheers, Mark F... VK3ZMF / VK3KW KX3 with the lot # 1675 KXPA100 # 530 PX3 # 233 > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob McGraw K4TAX > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 12:35 PM > To: Mark Forsyth > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator > > Mark: > > What would be the acceptable distortion limits for good vs. not so good > inverter generator??? My conventional constant speed generator runs about > 3% THD.? I recall the AC line from the utility is about the same. > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > > On 3/7/2019 7:22 PM, Mark Forsyth wrote: > > If you're thinking of using a generator at the cheaper end of the scale make > sure that its output is pure sine wave and NOT modified sine wave. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Mark F... > > VK3ZMF / VK3KW > > KX3 with the lot # 1675 > > KXPA100 # 530 > > PX3 # 233 > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net >> bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Raymond Sills via Elecraft > >> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 7:58 AM > >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator > >> > >> Honda generators are usually pretty good.. but nothing is perfect. > >> Leaking fuel is a big red flag. > >> There's always that Harbor Freight clone... which ought to do the > >> job... and presumably is not affected by a fuel leak. > >> 73 de RayK2ULRKX3 #211 > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: John Evans > >> To: elecraft > >> Sent: Thu, Mar 7, 2019 2:44 pm > >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator > >> > >> Honda just issued a stop sell order for the 2200 due to some hardware > issues. > >> > >> https://rvdailyreport.com/industry/honda-issues-stop-sell-order-for- > >> eu2200i-generators/?fbclid=IwAR0e810z_ppbrXdUdY6egI8F- > >> MvVtSTwZE_cDQq9ILLMEZPUT96P4J8E5_8 > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 12:29 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> The Honda EU2200i will handle the KPA500 quite well and provide > >>> power for other items.? ? ... > >> > __________________________________________________________ > >> ____ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> > __________________________________________________________ > >> ____ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > __________________________________________________________ > ____ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From w4das at comcast.net Thu Mar 7 21:31:54 2019 From: w4das at comcast.net (Doug Shields) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 21:31:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Swap W2 sensors? Message-ID: <000c01d4d557$18af7510$4a0e5f30$@net> Hello everyone, Speaking of W2 sensors, I have a spare 200 watt VHF/UHF sensor for my W2. Would anyone like to trade a 2000 watt HF sensor for my 200 watt VHF/UHF sensor? Please let me know. Thank you and 73. Doug W4DAS --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From jackbrindle at me.com Thu Mar 7 22:28:18 2019 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 19:28:18 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 no transmit question... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <77A6B2DD-885A-4F8F-B4C9-83E585757738@me.com> This sounds like there is no RF going into the KPA500. When the KPA500 is in STBY mode and he transmits, do the KPA500 indicators show the proper power level to match what he thinks the K3 is outputting? He might insert a wattmeter between the K3 and KPA500 to make sure that power is going into the KPA when he thinks it is. If not, then it is time to diagnose things in the K3. The folks down in Watsonville are very good at diagnosing system problems of this sort. Calling them to help solve the issue would be a good thing. 73! Jack, W6FB > On Mar 7, 2019, at 5:50 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: > > I am writing this for a friend, who for now, has limited access to he list. > > He has a KPA500/KAT500/K3. All was working fine last time he used it. Today, the amp comes on, but no power. Here are the details... > > 1. Amp shows the "*" when it keys. > 2. K3 shows KPA500 ON, when the amp comes on. > 3. K3 shows KPA500 OPERATE when it is switched to operate. > 4. The K3 reduces power when the KPA500 is in operate mode. > 5. No fault is indicated. > > I loomed at TX INHIB, on the K3, and it is OFF as it should be. > > All cables are tight... > > I just got my KPA500 last week, so my experience is limited. What am I missing? He will call Elecraft tomorrow, but I want to know if it is a setting issue, or something broke. > > -- > 73s and thanks, > Dave (NK7Z) > https://www.nk7z.net > Award Manager, 30MDG Grid Awards > ARRL Technical Specialist > ARRL Volunteer Examiner > ARRL OOC for Oregon > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jackbrindle at me.com Thu Mar 7 22:30:35 2019 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 19:30:35 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator In-Reply-To: References: <1233004463.1097859.1551992257972.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1233004463.1097859.1551992257972@mail.yahoo.com> <73140e47-535e-4e47-8a69-93e8fc9cf864@blomand.net> Message-ID: The KPA500 does quite well with generators, especially the Honda family. These days it is the amplifier of choice for many DXpeditions who?s only power is provided by generators. Since the KPA500 has a linear supply, it is not troubled as much by modified sine wave generators and investors as those using a switching supply. 73! Jack, W6FB > On Mar 7, 2019, at 5:58 PM, Mark Forsyth wrote: > > That'd probably be fine. > > The el-cheapo generators I refer to usually specify "modified sine wave" output which when looked at on a CRO looks more like a square wave with slightly rounded corners. Some or even most switch mode power supplies can cope quite badly with a wave form that's more square than sine. > > > Cheers, > Mark F... > VK3ZMF / VK3KW > KX3 with the lot # 1675 > KXPA100 # 530 > PX3 # 233 > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX >> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 12:35 PM >> To: Mark Forsyth >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator >> >> Mark: >> >> What would be the acceptable distortion limits for good vs. not so good >> inverter generator? My conventional constant speed generator runs about >> 3% THD. I recall the AC line from the utility is about the same. >> >> 73 >> >> Bob, K4TAX >> >> >> On 3/7/2019 7:22 PM, Mark Forsyth wrote: >>> If you're thinking of using a generator at the cheaper end of the scale make >> sure that its output is pure sine wave and NOT modified sine wave. >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Mark F... >>> VK3ZMF / VK3KW >>> KX3 with the lot # 1675 >>> KXPA100 # 530 >>> PX3 # 233 >>> >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net >>> bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Raymond Sills via Elecraft >>>> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 7:58 AM >>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator >>>> >>>> Honda generators are usually pretty good.. but nothing is perfect. >>>> Leaking fuel is a big red flag. >>>> There's always that Harbor Freight clone... which ought to do the >>>> job... and presumably is not affected by a fuel leak. >>>> 73 de RayK2ULRKX3 #211 >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: John Evans >>>> To: elecraft >>>> Sent: Thu, Mar 7, 2019 2:44 pm >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator >>>> >>>> Honda just issued a stop sell order for the 2200 due to some hardware >> issues. >>>> >>>> https://rvdailyreport.com/industry/honda-issues-stop-sell-order-for- >>>> eu2200i-generators/?fbclid=IwAR0e810z_ppbrXdUdY6egI8F- >>>> MvVtSTwZE_cDQq9ILLMEZPUT96P4J8E5_8 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 12:29 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The Honda EU2200i will handle the KPA500 quite well and provide >>>>> power for other items. ... >>>> >> __________________________________________________________ >>>> ____ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> >> __________________________________________________________ >>>> ____ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >> __________________________________________________________ >> ____ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jackbrindle at me.com Thu Mar 7 22:39:05 2019 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 19:39:05 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator In-Reply-To: References: <1233004463.1097859.1551992257972.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1233004463.1097859.1551992257972@mail.yahoo.com> <73140e47-535e-4e47-8a69-93e8fc9cf864@blomand.net> Message-ID: <26463A07-E0C0-4552-AE89-13846D42C6E4@me.com> While it isn?t troubled by investors, it also rather likes inverters? Sorry, I got spell-corrected? 73! Jack, W6FB > On Mar 7, 2019, at 7:30 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote: > > The KPA500 does quite well with generators, especially the Honda family. These days it is the amplifier of choice for many DXpeditions who?s only power is provided by generators. > > Since the KPA500 has a linear supply, it is not troubled as much by modified sine wave generators and investors as those using a switching supply. > > 73! > Jack, W6FB > > >> On Mar 7, 2019, at 5:58 PM, Mark Forsyth wrote: >> >> That'd probably be fine. >> >> The el-cheapo generators I refer to usually specify "modified sine wave" output which when looked at on a CRO looks more like a square wave with slightly rounded corners. Some or even most switch mode power supplies can cope quite badly with a wave form that's more square than sine. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Mark F... >> VK3ZMF / VK3KW >> KX3 with the lot # 1675 >> KXPA100 # 530 >> PX3 # 233 >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX >>> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 12:35 PM >>> To: Mark Forsyth >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator >>> >>> Mark: >>> >>> What would be the acceptable distortion limits for good vs. not so good >>> inverter generator? My conventional constant speed generator runs about >>> 3% THD. I recall the AC line from the utility is about the same. >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Bob, K4TAX >>> >>> >>> On 3/7/2019 7:22 PM, Mark Forsyth wrote: >>>> If you're thinking of using a generator at the cheaper end of the scale make >>> sure that its output is pure sine wave and NOT modified sine wave. >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Mark F... >>>> VK3ZMF / VK3KW >>>> KX3 with the lot # 1675 >>>> KXPA100 # 530 >>>> PX3 # 233 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net >>>> bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Raymond Sills via Elecraft >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 7:58 AM >>>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator >>>>> >>>>> Honda generators are usually pretty good.. but nothing is perfect. >>>>> Leaking fuel is a big red flag. >>>>> There's always that Harbor Freight clone... which ought to do the >>>>> job... and presumably is not affected by a fuel leak. >>>>> 73 de RayK2ULRKX3 #211 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: John Evans >>>>> To: elecraft >>>>> Sent: Thu, Mar 7, 2019 2:44 pm >>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator >>>>> >>>>> Honda just issued a stop sell order for the 2200 due to some hardware >>> issues. >>>>> >>>>> https://rvdailyreport.com/industry/honda-issues-stop-sell-order-for- >>>>> eu2200i-generators/?fbclid=IwAR0e810z_ppbrXdUdY6egI8F- >>>>> MvVtSTwZE_cDQq9ILLMEZPUT96P4J8E5_8 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 12:29 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The Honda EU2200i will handle the KPA500 quite well and provide >>>>>> power for other items. ... >>>>> >>> __________________________________________________________ >>>>> ____ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>>>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> >>> __________________________________________________________ >>>>> ____ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>>>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> >>> __________________________________________________________ >>> ____ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >>>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From lists at subich.com Thu Mar 7 23:23:38 2019 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 23:23:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Connect KPA-500, TS-480 and MicroKeyer II In-Reply-To: <000001d4d544$4c376c20$e4a64460$@com> References: <000001d4d544$4c376c20$e4a64460$@com> Message-ID: <32125600-5feb-50d2-b5f0-9e5fa3d34d0d@subich.com> On 2019-03-07 7:17 PM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > FWIW, I split my K3S ACC to a KAT-500, Top Ten Band decoder and a > MicroHAM Digikeyer and they all work perfectly together. Splitting the ACC connection is not an issue. The issue is the way some users try to connect the *CAT* (RS-232) connection with a "Y" cable and end up connecting two RS-232 senders. This has been a common problem with various amplifiers as well as the SteppIR antennas. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2019-03-07 7:17 PM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > FWIW, I split my K3S ACC to a KAT-500, Top Ten Band decoder and a MicroHAM > Digikeyer and they all work perfectly together. > > John KK9A > > > Andy Durbin wrote: > ] > Is the level of knowledge in this hobby really so low that people don't > understand that RS-232 will support multiple "listeners". The real issue > is whether the MicroHam interface polls (deliberate use of the term) the > Kenwood rig for the parameters required by the KPA500. I don't know the > minimum required data set but the KPA500 does a good job of determining TX > frequency if FA, FB and IF are available. > > 73, > Andy, k3wyc > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From lists at subich.com Thu Mar 7 23:34:21 2019 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 23:34:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Connect KPA-500, TS-480 and MicroKeyer II In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9d7239f5-db68-b135-f60a-a06986a7a901@subich.com> On 2019-03-07 6:39 PM, Andy Durbin wrote: > > Is the level of knowledge in this hobby really so low that people > don't understand that RS-232 will support multiple "listeners". The problem is that too many inexperienced users do not understand that one can not connect two RS-232 senders at the same time. They do not have the ability to "puzzle out" the differences between male and female DE9 connectors and understand the importance of DTE vs. DCE connections. Given that Elecraft and Kenwood use different connectors on the transceiver, I'd wager that 50% of the users connect a "Y" cable incorrectly given that there is no documentation in the KPA-500 Owner's Manual. > The real issue is whether the MicroHam interface polls (deliberate > use of the term) the Kenwood rig for the parameters required by the > KPA500. No, the real issue is whether the user's logging/rig control program of choice polls the Kenwood rig for the parameters required by the KPA-500. microHAM gets out of the way if the logging program is polling for FA;FB;IF; (or IF; only if split is off). Note: KPA-500 will not be compatible with TS-890 since TS-890 does not support IF:! 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2019-03-07 6:39 PM, Andy Durbin wrote: > > Is the level of knowledge in this hobby really so low that people don't understand that RS-232 will support multiple "listeners". The real issue is whether the MicroHam interface polls (deliberate use of the term) the Kenwood rig for the parameters required by the KPA500. I don't know the minimum required data set but the KPA500 does a good job of determining TX frequency if FA, FB and IF are available. > > 73, > Andy, k3wyc From lists at subich.com Thu Mar 7 23:39:11 2019 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 23:39:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Connect KPA-500, TS-480 and MicroKeyer II In-Reply-To: <93882A10-F3C9-47B3-9FA7-6F532AB7EE6E@me.com> References: <0c32b3b3-1cfc-b6be-1f83-cbcc044a1eb8@audiosystemsgroup.com> <8a1c770c-93c5-5737-f372-14bdfaade506@subich.com> <0F400585-A78A-4303-AEE1-8C9BACD7C394@me.com> <5B5F6736-8AB3-46A4-9596-3C70695336B5@me.com> <6f012270-f253-92e1-ac4d-f71a0cd1b644@subich.com> <93882A10-F3C9-47B3-9FA7-6F532AB7EE6E@me.com> Message-ID: On 2019-03-07 5:14 PM, Jack Brindle wrote: > OK. Well, for the record, we have a relay in the outbound data line > from the KPA500 on the XCVR port. With SERPOLL = OFF, it disconnects > the signal so there is no drive on that signal from the KPA. Nice. That solves one part of the problem but given that Elecraft and Kenwood use different connectors on their transceivers and there is no documentation of the required connections, I'd bet that 50% of users still connect a "Y" cable incorrectly whether it be 2/3 reversed or lack of RTS/CTS, etc. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2019-03-07 5:14 PM, Jack Brindle wrote: > OK. Well, for the record, we have a relay in the outbound data line from the KPA500 on the XCVR port. With SERPOLL = OFF, it disconnects the signal so there is no drive on that signal from the KPA. SERPOLL = ON enables it. > > 73! > Jack, W6FB > > >> On Mar 7, 2019, at 1:41 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >> >>> Do you see anything wrong with this situation as far as the microHAM >>> interface is concerned?? >> >> Not as far as the microHAM interface is concerned from a hardware >> standpoint. >> >> However, lacking *proper documentation* of the "Y" cable, it is a >> support nightmare (as I have discovered with other amplifiers and >> antenna controllers that claim to be "listen only"). As such, the >> policy is now "no support for *any* "Y" cable CAT connection." >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 2019-03-07 4:25 PM, Jack Brindle wrote: >>> Joe; >>> The Y connection on the KPA500 in this situation is listen-only. Since the microHAM interface is doing all the polling it should not care if the KPA500 (for any other device) is just listening, as long as these devices do not connect to the same line the microHAM is sending on. When the KPA500 is set for SERPOLL = OFF, it is completely disconnected from that line, and is in pure listen-only mode. >>> Do you see anything wrong with this situation as far as the microHAM interface is concerned?? >>> 73! >>> Jack, W6FB >>>> On Mar 7, 2019, at 1:07 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2019-03-06 10:36 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote: >>>>> The KPA500 does NOT have a pass-through mode. >>>> >>>> Jack, thanks for the "official" information (although it is >>>> a shame there is no "pass through" mode). >>>> >>>> As it stands, any Kenwood user will need to use the "basic Cabling >>>> Diagram for Any Transceiver" (Figure 2, page 11 or the KPA-500 >>>> Owner's Manual) when using a microHAM interface. microHAM will not >>>> support any "Y" cable CAT connection. >>>> >>>> If the microHAM/KPA-500 user has a MK2R+, MK II, MK III, or DK II, >>>> the transceiver PTT Out (Amp Key, Key Line, etc.) should be routed >>>> to the "PTT In" jack on the microHAM interface and KPA-500 "Key Line" >>>> taken from the PA PTT jack of the microHAM interface. If both a >>>> KAT500 and KPA-500 are in use, the "Key Line" should be routed to >>>> the KAT-500 and then to the KPA-500 as shown in "Cabling Diagram: >>>> Elecraft K3, KPA500 and KAT500 Using E850463 Aux Interface Cables >>>> with Separate Key Line," Figure 2, page 6 of the KAT-500 Owners >>>> Manual. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> ... Joe, W4TV >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2019-03-06 10:36 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote: >>>>> The KPA500 does NOT have a pass-through mode. It DOES have a serial port dedicated to communicating with Kenwood radios to extract the operating frequency. It can just monitor the serial link or it can also poll for the needed data. You will need to provide a Y cable that connects the signal coming from the radio to the computer, connecting the KPA?s XCVR port to the branch of the cable. The PC port on the KPA500 is only for controlling the amplifier. The two ports are not related in function. >>>>> Use the RS232 X menu setting to select the port data rate to match the radio?s serial port. If you need for the KPA500 to poll the radio for the frequency, the set SER POLL to ON. >>>>> For other cabling, connect the KEY line coming from the transceiver to one of the KAT500?s PTT RlY connectors, then connect the other PTT RLY connector to the KPA500?s PA KEY connector. These connections are shown on page 12 of the KAT500 manual. >>>>> With this configuration the KAP500 will switch bands based on the data it receives from the transceiver, while the KAT500 will need RF to select the LC combination needed for tuning (as well as the desired antenna for that band). The KPA500 and KAT500 do not communicate, so there is no way for the KPA500 to tell the KAT500 the band. >>>>> Note also that the KPA500 and KAT500 will switch bands quite well without the transceiver data connection as K9YC describes. >>>>> Andy, K3WYC has created a pretty cool system with a small controller that monitors the system and sends control data to both the KAT500 and KPA500 to set them upper operation. I?lllet Andy describe that. >>>>> I am amazed that we do not properly describe KPA500/KAT500 operation with Kenwood transceivers. I will try to bug the right people to get this fixed. >>>>> 73! >>>>> Jack, W6FB >>>>>> On Mar 6, 2019, at 6:48 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Apparently the KPA-500 includes the ability to operate in a CAT >>>>>> pass through mode (like the P3) with Elecraft and Kenwood rigs >>>>>> (see Menu items RS232 P, RS232 X, RADIO, and SER POLL). >>>>>> >>>>>> *UNFORTUNATELY* the Kenwood configuration is not documented in the >>>>>> KPA-500 Owners Manual (unlike the Icom "band voltage" and Yaesu BCD >>>>>> control configurations). >>>>>> >>>>>> It would greatly assist non-Elecraft owners if the KPA-500 Owners >>>>>> Manual included explicit diagrams and configuration settings for >>>>>> Icom, Yaesu and Kenwood (RS-232 CAT ONLY) transceivers along the >>>>>> lines of Figure 4 on page 13 for the K3 using "KPAK3AUX Cable and >>>>>> Separate Key Line". >>>>>> >>>>>> Without documentation (including information showing if RTS/CTS is >>>>>> passed through from the transceiver as expected by Kenwood rigs >>>>>> or whether the KPA-500 provides a CTS "pull up" on the RS-232 (XCVR) >>>>>> jack) from Elecraft or access to a KPA-500 for "hands on engineering" >>>>>> it is not possible for third party suppliers to provide any support >>>>>> for (Kenwood) configurations that include KPA-500/KAT500 . >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, >>>>>> >>>>>> ... Joe, W4TV >>>>>> >>>>>> From dave at nk7z.net Fri Mar 8 01:56:59 2019 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 22:56:59 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 no transmit question... In-Reply-To: <77A6B2DD-885A-4F8F-B4C9-83E585757738@me.com> References: <77A6B2DD-885A-4F8F-B4C9-83E585757738@me.com> Message-ID: <88c4523d-190a-a686-1b35-54ea8533dd7d@nk7z.net> Thank you for the answer... I'll ask him tomorrow... More as I get it... Once I find out I'll also post. 73s and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net Award Manager, 30MDG Grid Awards ARRL Technical Specialist ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL OOC for Oregon On 3/7/19 7:28 PM, Jack Brindle wrote: > This sounds like there is no RF going into the KPA500. When the KPA500 is in STBY mode and he transmits, do the KPA500 indicators show the proper power level to match what he thinks the K3 is outputting? He might insert a wattmeter between the K3 and KPA500 to make sure that power is going into the KPA when he thinks it is. If not, then it is time to diagnose things in the K3. > > The folks down in Watsonville are very good at diagnosing system problems of this sort. Calling them to help solve the issue would be a good thing. > > 73! > Jack, W6FB > > > >> On Mar 7, 2019, at 5:50 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: >> >> I am writing this for a friend, who for now, has limited access to he list. >> >> He has a KPA500/KAT500/K3. All was working fine last time he used it. Today, the amp comes on, but no power. Here are the details... >> >> 1. Amp shows the "*" when it keys. >> 2. K3 shows KPA500 ON, when the amp comes on. >> 3. K3 shows KPA500 OPERATE when it is switched to operate. >> 4. The K3 reduces power when the KPA500 is in operate mode. >> 5. No fault is indicated. >> >> I loomed at TX INHIB, on the K3, and it is OFF as it should be. >> >> All cables are tight... >> >> I just got my KPA500 last week, so my experience is limited. What am I missing? He will call Elecraft tomorrow, but I want to know if it is a setting issue, or something broke. >> >> -- >> 73s and thanks, >> Dave (NK7Z) >> https://www.nk7z.net >> Award Manager, 30MDG Grid Awards >> ARRL Technical Specialist >> ARRL Volunteer Examiner >> ARRL OOC for Oregon >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From indians at xsmail.com Fri Mar 8 03:17:36 2019 From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 01:17:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft W2 For Sale In-Reply-To: References: <1552004575984-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1552033056455-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Bill, it can not be... VHF sensor for W2 is 200W rated only. HF sensor rated 2000W is 1-54MHz per spec. ----- 73 - Petr, OK1RP "Apple & Elecraft freak" B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com G+:http://goo.gl/w3u2s9 G+: http://goo.gl/gP99xq -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From G0ORH at sky.com Fri Mar 8 05:52:29 2019 From: G0ORH at sky.com (Ken Chandler) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 10:52:29 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 kat500 to flex 6500 Message-ID: <6FBE1078-6479-41E7-A745-52B87B79E236@sky.com> Hi guys I'm just trying to pair my KPA500 / kat500 to a flex 6500 to test it for contesting this weekend. Connected the flex to the KPA500 but I'm only getting 300w out and that's with 35w drive! I've popped this question on the flex owners site they suggested I had a blown pa. Connected the K3 back up and I'm getting the full spec power out. Any K3 member come across the same, or anyone shed an idea as to what is possibly happening ! Cheers Ken.. G0ORH Sent from my iPad From rocketnj at gmail.com Fri Mar 8 06:45:01 2019 From: rocketnj at gmail.com (Dave) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 06:45:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 kat500 to flex 6500 In-Reply-To: <6FBE1078-6479-41E7-A745-52B87B79E236@sky.com> References: <6FBE1078-6479-41E7-A745-52B87B79E236@sky.com> Message-ID: <620DC581-366A-470F-B2CA-B2E159AC9F73@gmail.com> Ken What is the power reading on an external meter with amp in bypass and SmartSDR tune slider at 100 when keying with the Tune button? Dave wo2x Sent from my waxed string and tin cans. > On Mar 8, 2019, at 5:52 AM, Ken Chandler wrote: > > Hi guys > I'm just trying to pair my KPA500 / kat500 to a flex 6500 to test it for contesting this weekend. > > Connected the flex to the KPA500 but I'm only getting 300w out and that's with 35w drive! > I've popped this question on the flex owners site they suggested I had a blown pa. > Connected the K3 back up and I'm getting the full spec power out. > Any K3 member come across the same, or anyone shed an idea as to what is possibly happening ! > > Cheers > > Ken.. G0ORH > > Sent from my iPad > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Fri Mar 8 07:21:05 2019 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 07:21:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Connect KPA-500, TS-480 and MicroKeyer II In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3c4cfc7e-0817-9fdc-a0b1-ac1adb9767ad@nycap.rr.com> Turning the simplex into complex????? I fail to see what is needed other than an RF input line and a PTT line. I use the KPA500 with my K3, IC7300, and TS480. RF input is selected using an Alpha Delta coax switch and PTT is selected via a toggle switch. Works flawlessly, didn't drain my brain power to design, and took about an hour to do the soldering and install the switches. No comments regarding a KAT500 as I tune my wire antennas - requiring only the occasional use of a good manual tuner. Hence, I don't own one. I just do not get all the commentary about how to make something complex - mole hill into a mountain? Perhaps this is why today's automobiles are rife with computers! Can't even roll down a window without computer control!!!? KISS!!! Bill W2BLC From beachviews4u at gmail.com Fri Mar 8 09:30:35 2019 From: beachviews4u at gmail.com (Mark Griffin) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 09:30:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3/PX3/KXPa100 Pkg FOR SALE (AD4PK) Message-ID: Elecraft Kx3 Package......Includes KX3 transmitter with acrylic stand as well as the KxPD3 keyer paddle..KxFL3 dual bandwidth roofing filter...MH3 Hand Mic. Also included is the Px3 Panadapter with acrylic stand and the KXPA100-100 watt amplifier with ATU . All manuels and cable sets are included.This package comes from a smoke/pet free environment. Operated in house only..never portable. Mint Condition. Sold as a package only. $2,300 Call 843-901-4196 or email for questions. beachviews4u at gmail.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Fri Mar 8 12:04:59 2019 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2019 08:04:59 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator Message-ID: <201903081705.x28H53uB004082@mail46c28.carrierzone.com> I bought the 2200i twins for running >4000w for my RV last spring, so less than a year old. Ended up not running them so only test-run by the selling dealer before I took delivery. Guess I will check the SN's to see if they are on the recall. Presently stored in the RV which is surrounded by waist-high snow so that will have wait a few more months. I might check with the dealer in meantime as he probably recorded the SN in the sale. If my generators were part of the recall, glad I did not fuel or run them. We logged 11K miles last summer with them in the storage area. I have several Honda power tools which I really like the quality. Always start easy and run well. House has the EU6500i for standby power. Runs everything in the house including the well and the ham shack. Bands are amazingly quiet when the neighborhood is without commercial power. Thanks for the heads-up on the recall. 73, Ed - KL7UW From: Bob McGraw K4TAX To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Correct.? I was just speaking with the Sales person at Hondashop.com.? The units are on a recall / hold.? They have quite a back order list.? Their price is $899.00 delivered in USA.? CA residents pay 7.375 tax.? They do not have the EU2000i as it is discontinued. 73 Bob, K4TAX 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Fri Mar 8 06:42:57 2019 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (bill) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 06:42:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Connect KPA-500, TS-480 and MicroKeyer II In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86049492-4cbd-793e-7102-b4b2966b0470@nycap.rr.com> Turning the simplex into complex????? I fail to see what is needed other than an RF input line and a PTT line. I use the KPA500 with my K3, IC7300, and TS480. RF input is selected using an Alpha Delta coax switch and PTT is selected via a toggle switch. Works flawlessly, didn't drain my brain power to design, and took about an hour to do the soldering and install the switches. No comments regarding a KAT500 as I tune my wire antennas - requiring only the occasional use of a good manual tuner. Hence, I don't own one. I just do not get all the commentary about how to make something complex - mole hill into a mountain? Perhaps this is why today's automobiles are rife with computers! Can't even roll down a window without computer control!!!? KISS!!! Bill W2BLC From tarjuk at gmail.com Fri Mar 8 13:14:16 2019 From: tarjuk at gmail.com (Jukka Tarvainen) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 18:14:16 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2: CW memory clearing Message-ID: Hello! There is no way to clear a CW memory of a K2? One friend ask this from me, and I can't find answer from manual or google. And can't figure out how to clear one from my K2. 73 de Jukka OH4MFA, OG4T From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Mar 8 13:40:20 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 10:40:20 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Portable Generator In-Reply-To: <201903081705.x28H53uB004082@mail46c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201903081705.x28H53uB004082@mail46c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <99f08e04-b89c-60e0-5de2-fe05825a66cd@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 3/8/2019 9:04 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > House has the EU6500i for standby power.? Runs everything in the house > including the well and the ham shack.? Bands are amazingly quiet when > the neighborhood is without commercial power. My 6500 is NOT RF quiet. I don't usually run the radios when it's running, but am building a common mode choke to put on it. 73, Jim K9YC From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Mar 8 15:24:35 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 15:24:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2: CW memory clearing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <865534c3-f4da-4aef-01bf-4bef9588d016@embarqmail.com> Jukka, Just record over the current CW memory - it will overwrite. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/8/2019 1:14 PM, Jukka Tarvainen wrote: > Hello! > > There is no way to clear a CW memory of a K2? One friend ask this from me, > and I can't find answer from manual or google. And can't figure out how to > clear one from my K2. > > 73 > de Jukka OH4MFA, OG4T From esteptony at gmail.com Fri Mar 8 18:22:06 2019 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 17:22:06 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Hub4Com Message-ID: Hi folks, I'm trying to configure my setup so that one serial port out can talk to two serial ports in. I downloaded Com0Com, which works fine, but needs Hub4Com to fan out the output as desired. Fine, I downloaded the Hub4Com files from SourceForge -- but lo and behold, they are only source files, along with instructions for building the .exe. But no .exe. What am I missing? Thanks to all who know the answer! 73, Tony KT0NY From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Mar 8 18:37:25 2019 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 15:37:25 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Hub4Com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You're not missing anything ... except the .exe [:-)? Public license software is often distributed as source code because there are so many OS distributions and hardware configurations out there.? You need to compile/link it following the build instruction and make a .exe for your machine.? You might consider an alternative package that is executable on your machine if you don't have/are not familiar with the compilation process. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 3/8/2019 3:22 PM, Tony Estep wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm trying to configure my setup so that one serial port out can talk to > two serial ports in. I downloaded Com0Com, which works fine, but needs > Hub4Com to fan out the output as desired. Fine, I downloaded the Hub4Com > files from SourceForge -- but lo and behold, they are only source files, > along with instructions for building the .exe. But no .exe. What am > I missing? > > Thanks to all who know the answer! > 73, > Tony KT0NY > From brianmo at yahoo.com Fri Mar 8 19:07:57 2019 From: brianmo at yahoo.com (Brian Moran) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 00:07:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Hub4Com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1553802238.1917373.1552090077510@mail.yahoo.com> Hub4Com binaries are available with a little snooping around in the com0com sourceforge location:https://sourceforge.net/projects/com0com/files/hub4com/2.1.0.0/? It's a strategy for sourceforge to make it difficult to find things -- they want you to click on other things and view as many pages as possible. Since they host things for free, it's one of ways they can make money to keep the servers on. -Brian N9ADG On Friday, March 8, 2019, 3:38:17 PM PST, Fred Jensen wrote: You're not missing anything ... except the .exe [:-)? Public license software is often distributed as source code because there are so many OS distributions and hardware configurations out there.? You need to compile/link it following the build instruction and make a .exe for your machine.? You might consider an alternative package that is executable on your machine if you don't have/are not familiar with the compilation process. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 3/8/2019 3:22 PM, Tony Estep wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm trying to configure my setup so that one serial port out can talk to > two serial ports in. I downloaded Com0Com, which works fine, but needs > Hub4Com to fan out the output as desired. Fine, I downloaded the Hub4Com > files from SourceForge -- but lo and behold, they are only source files, > along with instructions for building the .exe. But no .exe. What am > I missing? > > Thanks to all who know the answer! > 73, > Tony KT0NY > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From esteptony at gmail.com Fri Mar 8 20:10:11 2019 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 19:10:11 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Hub4Com In-Reply-To: <1553802238.1917373.1552090077510@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1553802238.1917373.1552090077510@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 6:08 PM Brian Moran via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > Hub4Com binaries are available with a little snooping around in the > com0com sourceforge location... =============== That location is where I found all the source files but no matter how much I snooped I didn't find the executable. However, further digging turned up a version of Hub4Com.exe in GitHub. We'll see if that works. Thanks to everybody. 73, Tony KT0NY From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Mar 8 20:44:29 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 17:44:29 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Connect KPA-500, TS-480 and MicroKeyer II In-Reply-To: <000001d4d544$4c376c20$e4a64460$@com> References: <000001d4d544$4c376c20$e4a64460$@com> Message-ID: <5a8cdf96-7a80-210c-ae6a-b36a503d750e@audiosystemsgroup.com> Andy Durbin wrote: ] Is the level of knowledge in this hobby really so low that people don't understand that RS-232 will support multiple "listeners". I know that, because I'm an old fart who had to learn stuff like that, how networking works, lots of software, etc. to run my own small consulting biz -- but none of that was even a wet dream when I finished my EE in 1964! And NONE of that was my specialty -- design of sound systems for large public spaces -- until the late '90s when we started doing a lot of control systems and DSP. The technical breadth of ham radio is extremely wide that few hams have detailed knowledge of all of the tools we use. I could make the same "is the level of knowledge so low" about fundamental circuit concepts, transmission lines, antennas, feedback in amplifiers, load lines for power amplifiers, output networks, stubs, resonant circuits, acoustics, speech intelligibility, and so on. 73, Jim K9YC From esteptony at gmail.com Fri Mar 8 20:52:04 2019 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 19:52:04 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Hub4Com In-Reply-To: References: <1553802238.1917373.1552090077510@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > > Aha! After much chasing my tail, I found the following page: > http://www.rei-labs.net/connecting-multiple-virtual-serial-ports-together/3/ and on that page is a link which leads to a SourceForge page that I couldn't find any other way. On that page is the correct .zip file, containing the executable of Hub4Com. Thanks very much to all who responded, and especially to Brian Moran who made a valiant effort to help me. 73 to all, Tony KT0NY From rocketnj at gmail.com Fri Mar 8 21:01:22 2019 From: rocketnj at gmail.com (Dave) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 21:01:22 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Hub4Com In-Reply-To: References: <1553802238.1917373.1552090077510@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A commercial product Virtual Serial PortEmulator can do this plus much more. Well worth the cost when I bought it. Just letting the group know there are choices. Dave wo2x Sent from my iPad On Mar 8, 2019, at 8:52 PM, Tony Estep wrote: >> >> Aha! After much chasing my tail, I found the following page: >> > > http://www.rei-labs.net/connecting-multiple-virtual-serial-ports-together/3/ > > and on that page is a link which leads to a SourceForge page that I > couldn't find any other way. On that page is the correct .zip file, > containing the executable of Hub4Com. > Thanks very much to all who responded, and especially to Brian Moran who > made a valiant effort to help me. > > 73 to all, > Tony KT0NY > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From esteptony at gmail.com Fri Mar 8 21:07:19 2019 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 20:07:19 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Hub4Com In-Reply-To: References: <1553802238.1917373.1552090077510@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 8:01 PM Dave wrote: > ... Virtual Serial PortEmulator ... > ============== I used VSPE + LP-Bridge in my previous installation and it worked okay. I may go back to that arrangement if this doesn't work out. I'll soon know. 73, Tony KT0NY From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us Fri Mar 8 21:11:10 2019 From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (Bob KD7YZ) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 21:11:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC control of W6PQL amp from my K3 Message-ID: Wondering how to do this. I see a cable on https://www.arraysolutions.com/k3alc A K3 ALC cable ... or any other ideas ? I have a W6PQL 2m SSPA with an ALC input on the back many thanks. -- 73 Bob KD7YZ AMSAT LM #901 From ardrhi at gmail.com Fri Mar 8 21:18:16 2019 From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 21:18:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Hub4Com In-Reply-To: References: <1553802238.1917373.1552090077510@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I use the Virtual Audio Cables from VB-Audio. They work great. Combined with Voicemeeter, they're a fantastic set of tools. They work on a "donationware" concept for those products. Just a few bucks (or Euros, they're in the EU) and you get a huge pile of performance. I don't recommend the most recent Voicemeeter with Windows 7, though...I was using it, but ran into constant lockups and even a couple of BSODs, as it lost track of audio drivers. I dropped back to their "Banana" version, and it works fine. It lets me work around the frustrating Windows 7 bug that crops up from time to time with WSJT-X, JTDX, JS8Call, and the spectrum screen options in Win4K3Suite. I'm pretty sure it's a Qt problem enumerating "microphone" drivers, because it's only Qt apps that fail, and they always fail the same way, in the microphone list. I've got two "microphones" listed in that pulldown that haven't been valid on my machine in several years, but no matter what I do I can't make those programs re-enumerate the available options. So I have to trick it using Voicemeeter so I can get audio in and out of the programs from the radio. Very frustrating. And of course, the support forums simply say "upgrade to Windows 10", without concern for legacy programs that might BREAK. Grrr... (It's also a flaming pain in the tuchis.) 73, Gwen, NG3P On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 9:07 PM Tony Estep wrote: > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 8:01 PM Dave wrote: > > > ... Virtual Serial PortEmulator ... > > > ============== > I used VSPE + LP-Bridge in my previous installation and it worked okay. I > may go back to that arrangement if this doesn't work out. I'll soon know. > > 73, > Tony KT0NY > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- -+-+-+-+- Jenny Everywhere's Infinite: Quark Time http://quarktime.net From esteptony at gmail.com Fri Mar 8 21:31:00 2019 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 20:31:00 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Hub4Com In-Reply-To: References: <1553802238.1917373.1552090077510@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 8:18 PM Gwen Patton wrote: > I use the Virtual Audio Cables from VB-Audio.... > ======================= Yep, gotta have those too, although I use the ones from Muzychenko. To have a full-house setup you might need VACs, virtual serial ports, and a fan-out hub. If you use Nap3 with a K3, the LP-bridge is a neat fan-out because it has a lot of dedicated functionality that Nap3 needs. A few years ago, having all that stuff running could choke your machine, but nowadays everything runs smoothly. It's interesting to note that much of this software hasn't been updated for years. The Muzychenko VAC is up to date through year-end 2018, but VSPE, Com0Com, LPB, and VB-Audio are all years old. Luckily it all still works as far as I know. Tony KT0NY From ardrhi at gmail.com Fri Mar 8 21:39:20 2019 From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 21:39:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Hub4Com In-Reply-To: References: <1553802238.1917373.1552090077510@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: VB-Audio is still updating their stuff. I looked at Com0Com, but they looked too expensive for as little certainty that it would work as they offer, so I never really worked with them much. Never looked at Muzychenko. If I could figure out how to reproduce the errors I was having, I'd send a bug report to VB-Audio on the Voicemeeter Potato errors I was getting. It just seemed too random to document properly, and I can't get anyone to care about the Qt bugs in the low-signal mode software enough to bother looking at them. I suppose I can understand it, but it's still annoying. On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 9:31 PM Tony Estep wrote: > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 8:18 PM Gwen Patton wrote: > > > I use the Virtual Audio Cables from VB-Audio.... > > > ======================= > Yep, gotta have those too, although I use the ones from Muzychenko. To have > a full-house setup you might need VACs, virtual serial ports, and a fan-out > hub. If you use Nap3 with a K3, the LP-bridge is a neat fan-out because it > has a lot of dedicated functionality that Nap3 needs. A few years ago, > having all that stuff running could choke your machine, but nowadays > everything runs smoothly. > > It's interesting to note that much of this software hasn't been updated for > years. The Muzychenko VAC is up to date through year-end 2018, but VSPE, > Com0Com, LPB, and VB-Audio are all years old. Luckily it all still works as > far as I know. > > Tony KT0NY > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- -+-+-+-+- Jenny Everywhere's Infinite: Quark Time http://quarktime.net From nr4c at widomaker.com Fri Mar 8 22:27:25 2019 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 22:27:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2: CW memory clearing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6722C259-723A-4C01-A185-EA0E26338E26@widomaker.com> Can you record ?. ?(Nothing) over it. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 8, 2019, at 1:14 PM, Jukka Tarvainen wrote: > > Hello! > > There is no way to clear a CW memory of a K2? One friend ask this from me, > and I can't find answer from manual or google. And can't figure out how to > clear one from my K2. > > 73 > de Jukka OH4MFA, OG4T > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From tarjuk at gmail.com Sat Mar 9 01:13:58 2019 From: tarjuk at gmail.com (Jukka Tarvainen) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 08:13:58 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K2: CW memory clearing In-Reply-To: <6722C259-723A-4C01-A185-EA0E26338E26@widomaker.com> References: <6722C259-723A-4C01-A185-EA0E26338E26@widomaker.com> Message-ID: No, recording only works when sending with paddle. So minimum is "E" to be stored. It is not really a problem. 73 Jukka, OH4MFA la 9. maalisk. 2019 klo 5.27 Nr4c (nr4c at widomaker.com) kirjoitti: > Can you record ?. ?(Nothing) over it. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > From nc3z at outlook.com Sat Mar 9 06:36:11 2019 From: nc3z at outlook.com (Gary NC3Z) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 11:36:11 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Nasty spurs on RX with new KPA500 Message-ID: SN 3759 just received 2 days ago (kit form) and put in operational the station. TX is fine, issue is on RX. It puts out strong spurs on 20-6M with 10M being the worst. Tested on live antennas and dummy loads, grounds on and off, all ancillary connectors removed, etc. So far this is making the use of the upper bands very difficult. Now I know the KPA500 has been around for a good amount of time so it cant be a design issue. I have a message into Elecraft but it's the weekend and wanted to just run I by the groups to see if there are any ideas, as I mentioned it was a kit, so I may have messed something up? But one big of diagnosis was I turned off the backlight display and it reduced the spurs tremendously. Hopefully this is a one off issue and it can be resolved. Here is a video of what I am seeing: https://youtu.be/63fEFb3qIqM -- Gary Mitchelson NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15 NC AHIMT COML SHARES NCS997 NC Deputy Auxcomm Coordinator - Statewide www.mitchelson.org From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sat Mar 9 09:01:12 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 08:01:12 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Nasty spurs on RX with new KPA500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7325fdb6-5c0c-72cf-ff52-f4dde7d0310d@blomand.net> Gary: Nothing heard on my K3S that is being produced by my KPA500 {s/n 3519} on 10M and nothing seen on my P3. I would go back through each step of the assembly process and make sure all is correct and all hardware is tight.???? I do see spikes from other sources on 10M but these are in the order of -125 dBm. Nothing out of the KPA500 in Operate mode that I can see or hear. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/9/2019 5:36 AM, Gary NC3Z wrote: > SN 3759 just received 2 days ago (kit form) and put in operational the > station. TX is fine, issue is on RX. It puts out strong spurs on 20-6M > with 10M being the worst. Tested on live antennas and dummy loads, > grounds on and off, all ancillary connectors removed, etc. So far this > is making the use of the upper bands very difficult. Now I know the > KPA500 has been around for a good amount of time so it cant be a design > issue. > > I have a message into Elecraft but it's the weekend and wanted to just > run I by the groups to see if there are any ideas, as I mentioned it was > a kit, so I may have messed something up? But one big of diagnosis was I > turned off the backlight display and it reduced the spurs tremendously. > > Hopefully this is a one off issue and it can be resolved. > > Here is a video of what I am seeing: https://youtu.be/63fEFb3qIqM > From k9jri at mac.com Sat Mar 9 09:39:31 2019 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 09:39:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Great SSB receive audio from your K3 or KX3 Message-ID: I use the Elecraft SP3, Bose QC25, Yamaha CM-500, HyperX Cloud Pro and Apple earbuds. I have found the Apple earbuds to produce the most articulate SSB reception. I am 75 years old and wear hearing aids. With the SP3 and all of the closed earmuff headsets, wearing my hearing aids makes a HUGE difference in SSB intelligibility. However, with the Apple earbuds the hearing aids are neither required nor make any difference. Very 73 - Mike - K9JRI From a.durbin at msn.com Sat Mar 9 09:45:11 2019 From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 14:45:11 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Nasty spurs on RX with new KPA500 Message-ID: Nothing heard or seen on 10 m with my kit built KPA500. I'd suggest disconnecting the RX from the KPA500 and connecting it directly to the antenna. Does the problem go away? If not, connect the RX directly to the dummy load. Does the problem go away? If not, disconnect everything else from the KPA500 except the power cord. Does the problem go away? If not, connect the KPA500 to an outlet on a different circuit. Does the problem go away? Hopefully, one of these steps will give some information on the source of the problem. 73, Andy, k3wyc From d.cutter at ntlworld.com Sat Mar 9 11:09:28 2019 From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (David Cutter) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 16:09:28 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Nasty spurs on RX with new KPA500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <032701d4d692$7963f430$6c2bdc90$@ntlworld.com> A pound to a pinch of salt it's a poor connector. David G3UNA -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Andy Durbin Sent: 09 March 2019 14:45 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Nasty spurs on RX with new KPA500 Nothing heard or seen on 10 m with my kit built KPA500. I'd suggest disconnecting the RX from the KPA500 and connecting it directly to the antenna. Does the problem go away? If not, connect the RX directly to the dummy load. Does the problem go away? If not, disconnect everything else from the KPA500 except the power cord. Does the problem go away? If not, connect the KPA500 to an outlet on a different circuit. Does the problem go away? Hopefully, one of these steps will give some information on the source of the problem. 73, Andy, k3wyc ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From ve3bwp at gmail.com Sat Mar 9 11:43:08 2019 From: ve3bwp at gmail.com (Brian ve3bwp Pietrzyk) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 11:43:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s computer sound card and CAT control (MacLoggerDX config) In-Reply-To: <8F9FF4D7-D53B-4B4F-B0B3-6FAE2E2D192A@gmail.com> References: <110DE89C-445C-4E83-B2B3-593AF7187018@gmail.com> <4001ee68-239c-fbe9-08df-d76b363cbbc9@embarqmail.com> <73A4AF93-1E30-4E8F-A2C5-7BBAECC6D635@gmail.com> <65b4b4f9-976d-b48d-2811-41427cb461ba@embarqmail.com> <8F9FF4D7-D53B-4B4F-B0B3-6FAE2E2D192A@gmail.com> Message-ID: No Problem, thanks for putting the time into this. I contacted the MacLoggerDx tech support and they helped me out pretty quick. Just have to remember to completely quit the program after making changes to radio prefs. These are the working parms? https://www.dropbox.com/s/uk3997s5bxugloj/Screen%20Shot%202019-03-08%20at%204.44.06%20PM.png?dl=0 73 Brian ve3bwp > On Mar 7, 2019, at 10:41 PM, Don Wilhelm > wrote: > > Brian, > > Sorry, but I can't help with Mac situations, I run only Windows. > Make sure you have the latest FTDI drivers for your Mac. > Start out with K3 Utility - if that works, then you have something configured wrong in MacLogger DX setup. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/7/2019 8:00 PM, Brian Pietrzyk (ve3bwp) wrote: >> Thanks Don, that gave me the confidence to proceed. The K3 utility is working through the USB connector. >> >> For the life of me I can?t get MacLoggerDX to link to the rig. >> >> Would you or anyone else out there using MacLoggerDX working be willing to share what setting you are using? >> >> Here?s mine for starters (tried lots of settings but this is my best guess). >> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/s1ggm63snhzyehm/Screen%20Shot%202019-03-07%20at%207.49.47%20PM.jpg?dl=0 > >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brian ve3bwp >> >> >>> On Mar 7, 2019, at 5:50 PM, Don Wilhelm >> wrote: >>> >>> Brian, >>> >>> Yes, the K3S has both an internal FTDI USB to serial adapter and a USB soundcard - Usually the computer identifies it as USB AUDIO CODEC. >>> >>> The connection shown on page 19 is for a basic connection using an RS232 port (or adapter). If you do it that way, you would not use the USB cable for PC to K3S communications, but use the RS232 connection instead. >>> >>> Easiest solution is to use the CBLP3Y cable. The way the internal USB to serial adapter is wired, the RS-232 is split into RS-232 out and RS-232 in at the RJ45 jack. So with the CBLP3Y cable, the data is sent to the P3 RS232 connector, and the P3 turns it around and sends it back to the K3 for use in the K3S itself. The K3S to P3 connection with that cable is shown in the P3 manual. >>> >>> There is no need for any other cable for PC to P3 or PC to K3S communication. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> >>> On 3/7/2019 5:26 PM, Brian Pietrzyk (ve3bwp) wrote: >>>> Sorry folks this has probably been asked a 1000 times before. >>>> I?m connecting my new k3s to my mac for the first time. I?ve used MacLogger DX lots with other radios including my kx3. >>>> Page 18 of the k3s manual describes the first function of the USB port as ?Commands from logging/contesting software? as well as sound card i/o audio. Does this mean it supports CAT control as well as audio i/o on the one USB connection or do I still need to KUSB cable along side it for CAT control? >>>> I?m assuming the K3 utility only works with the KUSB to do firmware checks and such? >>>> Also I have a P3 and I would like to keep be able to use the K3 utility connected to the rig. >>>> P19 of the manual if I read it correctly it looks like they are suggesting swapping out the (CBLP3Y) RG45 to DB9 Y cable for the (E980297) RJ45 to single DB9 and then connect the KUSB PC USB cable to the computer. So I?m confused why they would ever need the CBLP3Y ?Y? cable in the first place? >>>> I?m trying to do the RTFM thing and even bought the John Cady book but some of this some of the rationale is still alluding me. >>>> All and any help would be a appreciated. >>>> Brian ve3bwp >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >> > From charles9415 at att.net Sat Mar 9 11:56:58 2019 From: charles9415 at att.net (Chuck Guenther) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 10:56:58 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Split receiving and 2 ears Message-ID: <9c9f43af-22dc-8043-6fad-f2a3d55065ad@att.net> Saw this excellent suggestion the other day, and waited a few days to try it out before commenting.? I've had the sub Rx in my K3 for a couple of years now, and always had it setup for a-b.? I was frequently turning off the sub Rx to hear the DX in both ears.? The a-ab setting helps a lot-- don't know how I passed over this setting.? It's tips like this that make this Elecraft Reflector worthwhile.? Thanks, Peter! 73, Chuck Guenther? NI0C K3/P3, KX1, KX2 On March 6, 2019 Peter Dougherty wrote: One thing I would add here is the L-Mix-R setting in the config menu, which controls which VFOs go in which ear. As a DXer who loves working pileups, I can tell you the best combination for me is A-Ab; meaning VFO A Audio (the DX station transmitting) is present in the left ear, and mixed in with the pileup (VFO-B) audio in the right ear. You can adjust that setting to taste (make sure you have the Sub-RX enabled first when you go into that menu item), but for me, A-Ab is the way to go. Try the different combinations to see which works best for you. - pjd From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Mar 9 12:01:09 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 12:01:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC control of W6PQL amp from my K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6039c26a-349d-7c46-f118-78080b65fe5c@embarqmail.com> Bob, It is important to understand that ALC does not control the amplifier, it is an attempt by the amplifier to control the transceiver. ALC is sent FROM the amplifier in an attempt to control the power of the transceiver. Used indiscriminately, that will cause distortion in the driving transciver. Elecraft does not recommend the use of ALC for power control because of that. Set the power output of the transceiver to drive the amplifier properly and adjust the amplifier ALC to produce no ALC at that point. If the amplifier has fault detection, then ALC can be used to drop input power if a fault occurs - that is the only legitimate use of ALC. So in many cases, an ALC connection is not needed. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/8/2019 9:11 PM, Bob KD7YZ wrote: > Wondering how to do this. > > I see a cable on https://www.arraysolutions.com/k3alc > > A K3 ALC cable ... > > or any other ideas ? > > I have a W6PQL 2m SSPA with an ALC input on the back > > > many thanks. > > > -- > 73 > Bob KD7YZ > AMSAT LM #901 > From lists at w2irt.net Sat Mar 9 12:08:18 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 12:08:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Split receiving and 2 ears In-Reply-To: <9c9f43af-22dc-8043-6fad-f2a3d55065ad@att.net> References: <9c9f43af-22dc-8043-6fad-f2a3d55065ad@att.net> Message-ID: <00b401d4d69a$b17a0aa0$146e1fe0$@w2irt.net> Glad it's working well for you, Chuck. I'm pretty sure that's how mine was setup initially when I first got my K3s, but I've played around with various settings myself over the years, and A-Ab has been fantastic. Of course you can reverse it too, if you prefer to lock the DX into the right channel and use the Big Knob to tune the pileup for an open spot. I tried that for a while, but I really didn't like it. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Chuck Guenther Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 11:57 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Cc: peter at w2irt.net Subject: [Elecraft] Split receiving and 2 ears Saw this excellent suggestion the other day, and waited a few days to try it out before commenting. I've had the sub Rx in my K3 for a couple of years now, and always had it setup for a-b. I was frequently turning off the sub Rx to hear the DX in both ears. The a-ab setting helps a lot-- don't know how I passed over this setting. It's tips like this that make this Elecraft Reflector worthwhile. Thanks, Peter! 73, Chuck Guenther NI0C K3/P3, KX1, KX2 On March 6, 2019 Peter Dougherty wrote: One thing I would add here is the L-Mix-R setting in the config menu, which controls which VFOs go in which ear. As a DXer who loves working pileups, I can tell you the best combination for me is A-Ab; meaning VFO A Audio (the DX station transmitting) is present in the left ear, and mixed in with the pileup (VFO-B) audio in the right ear. You can adjust that setting to taste (make sure you have the Sub-RX enabled first when you go into that menu item), but for me, A-Ab is the way to go. Try the different combinations to see which works best for you. - pjd ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From nc3z at outlook.com Sat Mar 9 12:14:32 2019 From: nc3z at outlook.com (Gary NC3Z) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 17:14:32 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Nasty spurs on RX with new KPA500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Connecting the RX directly to the antenna and the spurs are not there, the spurs are coming from the KPA500, and only when the KPA500 is connected to a radio (happens on all my radios connected to the KPA). Have tried the amp on 220 and 120, same issue. The KPA500 can be connected to a dummy load at the RF Out, and RF In to the RX and the spurs are there. With out a doubt they are being generated in the KPA500 when the LCD backlight is on, and these are healthy spurs. I have spent hours taking the thing apart and putting back with the same results. Tripled checked all assembly with no luck. But I am 100% positive it is directly related to the LCD backlighting. This is a very weird issue! Gary Mitchelson NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15 NC AHIMT COML SHARES NCS997 NC Deputy Auxcomm Coordinator - Statewide www.mitchelson.org On 3/9/2019 09:45, Andy Durbin wrote: > Nothing heard or seen on 10 m with my kit built KPA500. > > I'd suggest disconnecting the RX from the KPA500 and connecting it directly to the antenna. Does the problem go away? > If not, connect the RX directly to the dummy load. Does the problem go away? > If not, disconnect everything else from the KPA500 except the power cord. Does the problem go away? > If not, connect the KPA500 to an outlet on a different circuit. Does the problem go away? > > Hopefully, one of these steps will give some information on the source of the problem. > > 73, > Andy, k3wyc > > > > > > From g8kbvdave at googlemail.com Sat Mar 9 12:05:44 2019 From: g8kbvdave at googlemail.com (Dave B) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 17:05:44 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: Hub4Com Message-ID: If it's just a need for one bit of software, to send the same command to two devices at the same time.? Just parallel wire some connectors together. One Serial OUTPUT, will usually drive two INPUT's without issue.?? All you need is the TXD wired to two RXD's, and the corresponding ground/common wire of course.? (And the same baud rate, start/stop bit and parity settings etc.) Now, if you want to get data /back/ from BOTH device's, then that's an entirely different can of worms! >From one, easy.? From both /reliably/, not so, unless you can /guarantee/ that only one device will respond at any one time and /only/ when you ask it to. Even then, you'll need at the bare minimum two diodes and a resistor.? (Note!? That may be troublesome at high baud rates with such a simple scheme.) Have Fun. ;-) Dave G0WBX. -- Created on and sent from a Unix like PC running and using free and open source software: From k9ztv at socket.net Sat Mar 9 12:59:55 2019 From: k9ztv at socket.net (KENT TRIMBLE) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 11:59:55 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC control of W6PQL amp from my K3 In-Reply-To: <6039c26a-349d-7c46-f118-78080b65fe5c@embarqmail.com> References: <6039c26a-349d-7c46-f118-78080b65fe5c@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Along with this, it should be noted (especially for new Amateurs) that . . . Don is correct (always is) concerning the non-employment of ALC with respect to Elecraft transceivers which produce power differently from other brands.? On this reflector, the recommendation not to use ALC pertains solely to Elecraft products. However, many Elecraft owners own and operate other brands of transceivers and amplifiers.? When using those other brands, the instructions provided in the transceiver manual AND the instructions provided in the amplifier manual about using ALC should be followed, especially with solid state amplifiers. Those instructions often differ from those recommended by Elecraft.? Some brands require a one-time ALC calibration procedure prior to use.? Once properly configured, they are usually free of the distortion Don rightfully talks about. As a friend of mine puts it, the ALC controversy borders on being a religious issue. 73, Kent? K9ZTV On 3/9/2019 11:01 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Bob, > > It is important to understand that ALC does not control the amplifier, > it is an attempt by the amplifier to control the transceiver. > > ALC is sent FROM the amplifier in an attempt to control the power of > the transceiver. > > Used indiscriminately, that will cause distortion in the driving > transciver. > > Elecraft does not recommend the use of ALC for power control because > of that.? Set the power output of the transceiver to drive the > amplifier properly and adjust the amplifier ALC to produce no ALC at > that point. If the amplifier has fault detection, then ALC can be used > to drop input power if a fault occurs - that is the only legitimate > use of ALC. > > So in many cases, an ALC connection is not needed. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/8/2019 9:11 PM, Bob KD7YZ wrote: >> Wondering how to do this. >> >> I see a cable on https://www.arraysolutions.com/k3alc >> >> A K3 ALC cable ... >> >> or any other ideas ? >> >> I have a W6PQL 2m SSPA with an ALC input on the back >> >> >> many thanks. >> >> >> -- >> 73 >> Bob KD7YZ >> AMSAT LM #901 >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com From a.durbin at msn.com Sat Mar 9 13:16:26 2019 From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 18:16:26 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Nasty spurs on RX with new KPA500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Connecting the RX directly to the antenna and the spurs are not there,.." That seems to suggest that the signal is coupling through the T/R switch. What happens if you key the KPA500 by grounding the key line input but leave the transceiver in RX mode? (Need to be in OPER mode). Look for the * on the left side of the KPA500 LCD to confirm keying. Just to be clear - this is not a transmit test, just changing the state of the T/R switch in the KPA500. Another test - leave the RX on 10 m and cycle through the KPA500 band selections using the KPA500 band switches. Is there any change in amplitude of the spurs? 73, Andy, k3wyc From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sat Mar 9 13:23:30 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 12:23:30 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC control of W6PQL amp from my K3 In-Reply-To: References: <6039c26a-349d-7c46-f118-78080b65fe5c@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <898bfeb6-4bcb-8846-0404-e9292c97f45e@blomand.net> I would emphasize with the K3S and KPA500, if one follows the set-up EXACTLY as described in the KPA500 manual page 16 & 17, and in the K3S manual page 29 & 59,? all will be well with the EXT ALC engaged. ?? Anything else will be a PICNIC problem. I suggest the set-up be done with a 50 ohm resistive dummy load connected to the amplifier.?? Therefore any major deviation in output load will then provide a margin of safety via the ALC. Correctly set-up one can then observe any excessive drive applied to the amplifier or a load which exceeds the recommended load range by an indication on the transceiver ALC indicator.??? This ONLY applies to the K3S and KPA500 as described. 73 Bob, K4TAX From wunder at wunderwood.org Sat Mar 9 13:39:01 2019 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 10:39:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Great SSB receive audio from your K3 or KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74FF3ED7-EB71-4DF9-9BAC-077309EC64D3@wunderwood.org> I?m not surprised that the Apple EarBuds are better. When my Grado SR60 headphones finally died, I tried using the Yamaha CM500 to listen to music. That lasted about one day before I gave up and switched to the earbuds. I received Bose QC35 II headphones for Christmas and compared them to my new Grado SR225e headphones. The Bose are OK if I?m not paying attention to the music, but they?d never be mistaken for hi-fi headphones. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Mar 9, 2019, at 6:39 AM, Michael Blake via Elecraft wrote: > > I use the Elecraft SP3, Bose QC25, Yamaha CM-500, HyperX Cloud Pro and Apple earbuds. I have found the Apple earbuds to produce the most articulate SSB reception. > > I am 75 years old and wear hearing aids. With the SP3 and all of the closed earmuff headsets, wearing my hearing aids makes a HUGE difference in SSB intelligibility. However, with the Apple earbuds the hearing aids are neither required nor make any difference. > > Very 73 - Mike - K9JRI > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From a.durbin at msn.com Sat Mar 9 13:42:07 2019 From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 18:42:07 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Nasty spurs on RX with new KPA500 In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Should have asked this one too - Does switching between OPER and STBY change the amplitude of the spurs? 73, Andy, k3wyc From jackbrindle at me.com Sat Mar 9 13:44:33 2019 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 10:44:33 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Nasty spurs on RX with new KPA500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gary; By now I am sure you have checked all the ribbon cable connections and are sure they are plugged in properly. This sounds like a problem that needs to be addressed by the tech support guys. Be sure to give them a call on Monday. 73! Jack, W6FB > On Mar 9, 2019, at 9:14 AM, Gary NC3Z wrote: > > Connecting the RX directly to the antenna and the spurs are not there, > the spurs are coming from the KPA500, and only when the KPA500 is > connected to a radio (happens on all my radios connected to the KPA). > Have tried the amp on 220 and 120, same issue. The KPA500 can be > connected to a dummy load at the RF Out, and RF In to the RX and the > spurs are there. With out a doubt they are being generated in the KPA500 > when the LCD backlight is on, and these are healthy spurs. > > I have spent hours taking the thing apart and putting back with the same > results. Tripled checked all assembly with no luck. But I am 100% > positive it is directly related to the LCD backlighting. This is a very > weird issue! > > Gary Mitchelson > NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15 > NC AHIMT COML > SHARES NCS997 > NC Deputy Auxcomm Coordinator - Statewide > www.mitchelson.org > > On 3/9/2019 09:45, Andy Durbin wrote: >> Nothing heard or seen on 10 m with my kit built KPA500. >> >> I'd suggest disconnecting the RX from the KPA500 and connecting it directly to the antenna. Does the problem go away? >> If not, connect the RX directly to the dummy load. Does the problem go away? >> If not, disconnect everything else from the KPA500 except the power cord. Does the problem go away? >> If not, connect the KPA500 to an outlet on a different circuit. Does the problem go away? >> >> Hopefully, one of these steps will give some information on the source of the problem. >> >> 73, >> Andy, k3wyc >> >> >> >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From lists at subich.com Sat Mar 9 13:44:48 2019 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 13:44:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC control of W6PQL amp from my K3 In-Reply-To: References: <6039c26a-349d-7c46-f118-78080b65fe5c@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <3300d0cb-d16a-ca47-e397-e59867214fdd@subich.com> On 2019-03-09 12:59 PM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote: > Some brands require a one-time ALC calibration procedure prior to > use. Once properly configured, they are usually free of the > distortion Don rightfully talks about. Regardless of "calibration" most non-Elecraft transceivers have significant ALC related distortion whether one is using an amp or not. Quite simply, most non-Elecraft transceivers develop their ALC based on *excess drive* to the final amplifier (a carry- over from tube based amplifiers where ALC was developed when the tubes started to draw grid current as they moved from class AB1 to AB2) and run excess drive in order to do so. The excess drive plus overdrive sensing creates a situation in which some combination of IF amp, driver and final amplifier are operating in the compression region *AND* the ALC time constant allows an initial "overshoot" (or power "spike"). 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2019-03-09 12:59 PM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote: > Along with this, it should be noted (especially for new Amateurs) that . > . . > > Don is correct (always is) concerning the non-employment of ALC with > respect to Elecraft transceivers which produce power differently from > other brands.? On this reflector, the recommendation not to use ALC > pertains solely to Elecraft products. > > However, many Elecraft owners own and operate other brands of > transceivers and amplifiers.? When using those other brands, the > instructions provided in the transceiver manual AND the instructions > provided in the amplifier manual about using ALC should be followed, > especially with solid state amplifiers. Those instructions often differ > from those recommended by Elecraft.? Some brands require a one-time ALC > calibration procedure prior to use.? Once properly configured, they are > usually free of the distortion Don rightfully talks about. > > As a friend of mine puts it, the ALC controversy borders on being a > religious issue. > > 73, > > Kent? K9ZTV > > > On 3/9/2019 11:01 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Bob, >> >> It is important to understand that ALC does not control the amplifier, >> it is an attempt by the amplifier to control the transceiver. >> >> ALC is sent FROM the amplifier in an attempt to control the power of >> the transceiver. >> >> Used indiscriminately, that will cause distortion in the driving >> transciver. >> >> Elecraft does not recommend the use of ALC for power control because >> of that.? Set the power output of the transceiver to drive the >> amplifier properly and adjust the amplifier ALC to produce no ALC at >> that point. If the amplifier has fault detection, then ALC can be used >> to drop input power if a fault occurs - that is the only legitimate >> use of ALC. >> >> So in many cases, an ALC connection is not needed. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 3/8/2019 9:11 PM, Bob KD7YZ wrote: >>> Wondering how to do this. >>> >>> I see a cable on https://www.arraysolutions.com/k3alc >>> >>> A K3 ALC cable ... >>> >>> or any other ideas ? >>> >>> I have a W6PQL 2m SSPA with an ALC input on the back >>> >>> >>> many thanks. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> 73 >>> Bob KD7YZ >>> AMSAT LM #901 >>> From jackbrindle at me.com Sat Mar 9 13:49:09 2019 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 10:49:09 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC control of W6PQL amp from my K3 In-Reply-To: <898bfeb6-4bcb-8846-0404-e9292c97f45e@blomand.net> References: <6039c26a-349d-7c46-f118-78080b65fe5c@embarqmail.com> <898bfeb6-4bcb-8846-0404-e9292c97f45e@blomand.net> Message-ID: <5754CC7C-38BD-4A71-BF11-91280E6698CB@me.com> As an example of how we feel about ALC with the K3 and KPA500, neither of my custom-made AUX-IO cables has the ALC pin (pin 15) connected. It is just not needed. If the KPA500 needs to protect itself, it will. 73! Jack, W6FB > On Mar 9, 2019, at 10:23 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > > I would emphasize with the K3S and KPA500, if one follows the set-up EXACTLY as described in the KPA500 manual page 16 & 17, and in the K3S manual page 29 & 59, all will be well with the EXT ALC engaged. Anything else will be a PICNIC problem. > > I suggest the set-up be done with a 50 ohm resistive dummy load connected to the amplifier. Therefore any major deviation in output load will then provide a margin of safety via the ALC. Correctly set-up one can then observe any excessive drive applied to the amplifier or a load which exceeds the recommended load range by an indication on the transceiver ALC indicator. This ONLY applies to the K3S and KPA500 as described. > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From lists at w2irt.net Sat Mar 9 13:50:57 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 13:50:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 80m KPA1500 High reflected power problems Message-ID: <00e001d4d6a9$08bb3290$1a3197b0$@w2irt.net> HI guys, I'm still having a serious problem on 80m with my KPA1500. With the amp inline I'm getting high reflected power fault everywhere below about 3675. My antenna (an inverted vee) is resonant at 3550, and the SWR is below 2:1 from 3500 to 3630. This was happening in the past as well, and prompted me to completely rebuild the antenna last summer. The antenna is fed with 100' of brand new Davis BuryFlex feedline, a brand-new 5kW-rated Balun Designs 1:1 current balun, new 12 AWG copper-clad steel wire, even new heavy ceramic insulators! Without the amp everything's fine. I can push 100W through to the antenna all day; the SWR LEDs on the amp (bypassed) show two green and that's it. It's fine on every other band, including 80/75 phone. With the amp in, If I drop the drive to 10W or less, the amp is happy and I get about 450 Watts out. But the instant I drive it with ~15 Watts (when the K3s kicks the high power module in, and I hear the internal relay click, I get the HI SWR warning and the amp faults. 100% repeatable. Doesn't matter if the tuner is in or out..there's NO way to get high power out of the KPA on 80 CW. More details: If the KPA's tuner is bypassed it just faults instantly. If the tuner is placed inline and I find a match, I can get about a second's or two's worth of power before the SWR LEDs start lighting up, then the fault happens. Any idea what's going on here? This is unbelievably frustrating. --------------------------------------------- 73 and Good DX Peter, W2IRT From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Mar 9 13:55:32 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 13:55:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Great SSB receive audio from your K3 or KX3 In-Reply-To: <74FF3ED7-EB71-4DF9-9BAC-077309EC64D3@wunderwood.org> References: <74FF3ED7-EB71-4DF9-9BAC-077309EC64D3@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <720c7930-7bac-c2df-ee73-7ef798750fab@embarqmail.com> I agree, the CM500 is not much for listening to music, but they do quite nicely for frequencies used for communications - and I can use them without removing my hearing aids - others may have different results. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/9/2019 1:39 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > I?m not surprised that the Apple EarBuds are better. > > When my Grado SR60 headphones finally died, I tried using the Yamaha CM500 to listen to music. That lasted about one day before I gave up and switched to the earbuds. I received Bose QC35 II headphones for Christmas and compared them to my new Grado SR225e headphones. The Bose are OK if I?m not paying attention to the music, but they?d never be mistaken for hi-fi headphones. > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > >> On Mar 9, 2019, at 6:39 AM, Michael Blake via Elecraft wrote: >> >> I use the Elecraft SP3, Bose QC25, Yamaha CM-500, HyperX Cloud Pro and Apple earbuds. I have found the Apple earbuds to produce the most articulate SSB reception. >> >> I am 75 years old and wear hearing aids. With the SP3 and all of the closed earmuff headsets, wearing my hearing aids makes a HUGE difference in SSB intelligibility. However, with the Apple earbuds the hearing aids are neither required nor make any difference. >> >> Very 73 - Mike - K9JRI >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Mar 9 14:04:37 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 14:04:37 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 80m KPA1500 High reflected power problems In-Reply-To: <00e001d4d6a9$08bb3290$1a3197b0$@w2irt.net> References: <00e001d4d6a9$08bb3290$1a3197b0$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <8514b121-5d36-4332-b48f-24ffb7d95e7b@embarqmail.com> Peter, Isolate the problem to the amplifier. Get a high power dummy load if you do not already have one. Run the amp at 1000 watts or more into the dummy load. If the amp behaves the same as it does with the antenna, then the problem is in the amplifier. But if the amp behaves into the dummy load, look for marginal connections to your antenna, PL-259 connectors not sufficiently tightened, balun overload, arcing at either the center insulator or at the end insulators. There is very high RF voltage at the antenna ends, and it may be arcing over the end insulators - don't overlook that possibility. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/9/2019 1:50 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > HI guys, > I'm still having a serious problem on 80m with my KPA1500. > > With the amp inline I'm getting high reflected power fault everywhere below > about 3675. My antenna (an inverted vee) is resonant at 3550, and the SWR is > below 2:1 from 3500 to 3630. > > > > This was happening in the past as well, and prompted me to completely > rebuild the antenna last summer. The antenna is fed with 100' of brand new > Davis BuryFlex feedline, a brand-new 5kW-rated Balun Designs 1:1 current > balun, new 12 AWG copper-clad steel wire, even new heavy ceramic insulators! > > > Without the amp everything's fine. I can push 100W through to the antenna > all day; the SWR LEDs on the amp (bypassed) show two green and that's it. > It's fine on every other band, including 80/75 phone. > > > > With the amp in, If I drop the drive to 10W or less, the amp is happy and I > get about 450 Watts out. But the instant I drive it with ~15 Watts (when the > K3s kicks the high power module in, and I hear the internal relay click, I > get the HI SWR warning and the amp faults. 100% repeatable. Doesn't matter > if the tuner is in or out..there's NO way to get high power out of the KPA > on 80 CW. From ww3s at zoominternet.net Sat Mar 9 14:09:17 2019 From: ww3s at zoominternet.net (Jamie WW3S) Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2019 14:09:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 80m KPA1500 High reflected power problems Message-ID: <91.1B.29509.06F048C5@smtp01.armstrong.cmh.synacor.com> Any cheap bulkhead connectors in the feed? I just got burnt by one on my radial plate.... Sent from my Verizon Motorola Smartphone On Mar 9, 2019 2:04 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Peter, > > Isolate the problem to the amplifier.? Get a high power dummy load if > you do not already have one.? Run the amp at 1000 watts or more into the > dummy load.? If the amp behaves the same as it does with the antenna, > then the problem is in the amplifier. > But if the amp behaves into the dummy load, look for marginal > connections to your antenna, PL-259 connectors not sufficiently > tightened, balun overload, arcing at either the center insulator or at > the end insulators. > There is very high RF voltage at the antenna ends, and it may be arcing > over the end insulators - don't overlook that possibility. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/9/2019 1:50 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > > HI guys, > > I'm still having a serious problem on 80m with my KPA1500. > > > > With the amp inline I'm getting high reflected power fault everywhere below > > about 3675. My antenna (an inverted vee) is resonant at 3550, and the SWR is > > below 2:1 from 3500 to 3630. > > > >?? > > > > This was happening in the past as well, and prompted me to completely > > rebuild the antenna last summer. The antenna is fed with 100' of brand new > > Davis BuryFlex feedline, a brand-new 5kW-rated Balun Designs 1:1 current > > balun, new 12 AWG copper-clad steel wire, even new heavy ceramic insulators! > > > > > > Without the amp everything's fine. I can push 100W through to the antenna > > all day; the SWR LEDs on the amp (bypassed) show two green and that's it. > > It's fine on every other band, including 80/75 phone. > > > >?? > > > > With the amp in, If I drop the drive to 10W or less, the amp is happy and I > > get about 450 Watts out. But the instant I drive it with ~15 Watts (when the > > K3s kicks the high power module in, and I hear the internal relay click, I > > get the HI SWR warning and the amp faults. 100% repeatable. Doesn't matter > > if the tuner is in or out..there's NO way to get high power out of the KPA > > on 80 CW. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From ghyoungman at gmail.com Sat Mar 9 14:24:46 2019 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 14:24:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 80m KPA1500 High reflected power problems In-Reply-To: <91.1B.29509.06F048C5@smtp01.armstrong.cmh.synacor.com> References: <91.1B.29509.06F048C5@smtp01.armstrong.cmh.synacor.com> Message-ID: <793D5237-2F62-4F6B-AE77-27C02E0EA74E@gmail.com> Don?t overlook any F-F connector?s in the system. The first time I hit my Hexbeam with the legal limit, the F-F connector joining my feed line to the antenna connection stub arced over. It had always been fine at low power, but was a fester find that turned out not to be a bargain. It was completely cooked. Fortunately, my SWR bridge tripped off the transmit line on high SWR. Probably at some high but lower power level it would have only sporadically arced creating a much more fun diagnosis problem. Grant NQ5T K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 > On Mar 9, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Jamie WW3S wrote: > > Any cheap bulkhead connectors in the feed? I just got burnt by one on my radial plate.... > > Sent from my Verizon Motorola Smartphone > On Mar 9, 2019 2:04 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> From lists at w2irt.net Sat Mar 9 15:09:54 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 15:09:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 80m KPA1500 High reflected power problems In-Reply-To: <91.1B.29509.06F048C5@smtp01.armstrong.cmh.synacor.com> References: <91.1B.29509.06F048C5@smtp01.armstrong.cmh.synacor.com> Message-ID: <00ee01d4d6b4$1020a820$3061f860$@w2irt.net> All PL-259 connectors here that I assembled are Amphenol 83-SP1. Female conenctors are whatever the device came with. The only female connectors in the line are on the amp, the HF-Auto Tuner, antenna switch and the balun. The only one that's not common to all my other antennas is the balun, and Balun Designs makes top-notch products. My old balun--the one I replaced thinking it was the problem last summer--was from Array Solutions and the same problem existed there. Connectors are all tightened 1/4 turn. I don't presently have access to a dummy load. The feedline connecting it to the outdoor antenna switch is damaged and it's difficult to reach at the moment--across a 40' crawlspace. The faults are all high SWR: 570 19-03-09T20:06:40 FLT 90 - PWR REFL freq 3512 inp 11W fwd 826W refl 199W swr 2.9 53A 31C adc 254 var 199 569 19-03-09T20:06:37 OVR 90 - PWR REFL inp 12W fwd 915W refl 173W swr 2.5 52A 32C adc 236 var 173 568 19-03-09T20:06:28 ON 00 - ON 1 times firmware version 02.09 567 19-03-09T18:40:56 FLT 90 - PWR REFL freq 3656 inp 10W fwd 613W refl 225W swr 4.0 21A 29C adc 271 var 225 566 19-03-09T18:37:30 OVR 90 - PWR REFL freq 3688 inp 21W fwd 881W refl 180W swr 2.6 35A 29C adc 241 var 180 565 19-03-09T18:37:06 FLT 90 - PWR REFL freq 3640 inp 8W fwd 616W refl 201W swr 3.6 26A 29C adc 255 var 201 564 19-03-09T18:36:51 FLT 90 - PWR REFL freq 3640 inp 10W fwd 676W refl 213W swr 3.5 23A 29C adc 263 var 213 563 19-03-09T18:32:09 FLT 90 - PWR REFL freq 3552 inp 7W fwd 484W refl 207W swr 4.7 10A 26C adc 259 var 207 562 19-03-09T18:31:04 FLT 90 - PWR REFL freq 3552 inp 8W fwd 499W refl 196W swr 4.3 11A 25C adc 252 var 196 561 19-03-09T18:26:19 FLT 90 - PWR REFL freq 3520 inp 4W fwd 356W refl 207W swr 7.4 12A 25C adc 259 var 207 560 19-03-09T18:25:37 FLT 90 - PWR REFL freq 3504 inp 9W fwd 637W refl 204W swr 3.6 25A 25C adc 257 var 204 559 19-03-09T18:25:03 FLT 90 - PWR REFL freq 3504 inp 17W fwd 1035W refl 204W swr 2.5 8A 25C adc 257 var 204 558 19-03-09T18:24:43 FLT 90 - PWR REFL freq 3504 inp 14W fwd 878W refl 213W swr 2.9 23A 24C adc 263 var 213 - pjd -----Original Message----- From: Jamie WW3S Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 2:09 PM To: donwilh at embarqmail.com Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Peter Dougherty Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 80m KPA1500 High reflected power problems Any cheap bulkhead connectors in the feed? I just got burnt by one on my radial plate.... Sent from my Verizon Motorola Smartphone On Mar 9, 2019 2:04 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Peter, > > Isolate the problem to the amplifier. Get a high power dummy load if > you do not already have one. Run the amp at 1000 watts or more into > the dummy load. If the amp behaves the same as it does with the > antenna, then the problem is in the amplifier. > But if the amp behaves into the dummy load, look for marginal > connections to your antenna, PL-259 connectors not sufficiently > tightened, balun overload, arcing at either the center insulator or at > the end insulators. > There is very high RF voltage at the antenna ends, and it may be > arcing over the end insulators - don't overlook that possibility. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/9/2019 1:50 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > > HI guys, > > I'm still having a serious problem on 80m with my KPA1500. > > > > With the amp inline I'm getting high reflected power fault > > everywhere below about 3675. My antenna (an inverted vee) is > > resonant at 3550, and the SWR is below 2:1 from 3500 to 3630. > > > > > > > > This was happening in the past as well, and prompted me to > > completely rebuild the antenna last summer. The antenna is fed with > > 100' of brand new Davis BuryFlex feedline, a brand-new 5kW-rated > > Balun Designs 1:1 current balun, new 12 AWG copper-clad steel wire, even new heavy ceramic insulators! > > > > > > Without the amp everything's fine. I can push 100W through to the > > antenna all day; the SWR LEDs on the amp (bypassed) show two green and that's it. > > It's fine on every other band, including 80/75 phone. > > > > > > > > With the amp in, If I drop the drive to 10W or less, the amp is > > happy and I get about 450 Watts out. But the instant I drive it with > > ~15 Watts (when the K3s kicks the high power module in, and I hear > > the internal relay click, I get the HI SWR warning and the amp > > faults. 100% repeatable. Doesn't matter if the tuner is in or > > out..there's NO way to get high power out of the KPA on 80 CW. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From nc3z at outlook.com Sat Mar 9 15:13:34 2019 From: nc3z at outlook.com (Gary NC3Z) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 20:13:34 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Nasty spurs on RX with new KPA500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes all are checked. Today I undid the front panel and as I move it away from the rest of the KPA500 the spurs drop, so it is coming from the front panel. The spurs also change pattern when I set the different levels of brightness. But more interesting, when I searched the archives using "birdies" I found a few reports of exactly the same issue I am having here, almost verbatim. Some SN are 4xx while other were 2xxx and 3xxx. But unfortunately no followup in the archive. So will have to wait for Elecraft to respond to my submitted report. But at least I have not been alone in this issue and it goes back a good ways. Gary Mitchelson NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15 NC AHIMT COML SHARES NCS997 NC Deputy Auxcomm Coordinator - Statewide www.mitchelson.org On 3/9/2019 13:44, Jack Brindle wrote: > Gary; > > By now I am sure you have checked all the ribbon cable connections and are sure they are plugged in properly. > This sounds like a problem that needs to be addressed by the tech support guys. Be sure to give them a call on Monday. > > 73! > Jack, W6FB > >> On Mar 9, 2019, at 9:14 AM, Gary NC3Z wrote: >> >> Connecting the RX directly to the antenna and the spurs are not there, >> the spurs are coming from the KPA500, and only when the KPA500 is >> connected to a radio (happens on all my radios connected to the KPA). >> Have tried the amp on 220 and 120, same issue. The KPA500 can be >> connected to a dummy load at the RF Out, and RF In to the RX and the >> spurs are there. With out a doubt they are being generated in the KPA500 >> when the LCD backlight is on, and these are healthy spurs. >> >> I have spent hours taking the thing apart and putting back with the same >> results. Tripled checked all assembly with no luck. But I am 100% >> positive it is directly related to the LCD backlighting. This is a very >> weird issue! >> >> Gary Mitchelson >> NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15 >> NC AHIMT COML >> SHARES NCS997 >> NC Deputy Auxcomm Coordinator - Statewide >> www.mitchelson.org >> >> On 3/9/2019 09:45, Andy Durbin wrote: >>> Nothing heard or seen on 10 m with my kit built KPA500. >>> >>> I'd suggest disconnecting the RX from the KPA500 and connecting it directly to the antenna. Does the problem go away? >>> If not, connect the RX directly to the dummy load. Does the problem go away? >>> If not, disconnect everything else from the KPA500 except the power cord. Does the problem go away? >>> If not, connect the KPA500 to an outlet on a different circuit. Does the problem go away? >>> >>> Hopefully, one of these steps will give some information on the source of the problem. >>> >>> 73, >>> Andy, k3wyc >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Mar 9 15:31:49 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 12:31:49 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Nasty spurs on RX with new KPA500 In-Reply-To: <032701d4d692$7963f430$6c2bdc90$@ntlworld.com> References: <032701d4d692$7963f430$6c2bdc90$@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <24eaca88-b9b8-a81d-eea2-b58212b6ebdd@audiosystemsgroup.com> Yes. 73, Jim K9YC On 3/9/2019 8:09 AM, David Cutter via Elecraft wrote: > A pound to a pinch of salt it's a poor connector. > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Mar 9 15:38:37 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 12:38:37 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC control of W6PQL amp from my K3 In-Reply-To: References: <6039c26a-349d-7c46-f118-78080b65fe5c@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <68281cde-2dec-b088-c384-b5a8295b1fa3@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 3/9/2019 9:59 AM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote: > As a friend of mine puts it, the ALC controversy borders on being a > religious issue. No, it does not. It is science. ALC should NEVER be used to set the output power of a power amplifier, because doing so produces lots of distortion (splatter, clicks). ALC should be used ONLY to protect the power amp from damage in the event of problems in the antenna system or operator error. 73, Jim K9YC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Mar 9 15:47:47 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 12:47:47 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Nasty spurs on RX with new KPA500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1005edb3-c24e-d900-d009-6cece4e2a345@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 3/9/2019 3:36 AM, Gary NC3Z wrote: > It puts out strong spurs on 20-6M > with 10M being the worst. In addition to the possibility of a coax cable with a bad shield connection, another thought -- is your station properly bonded? Every chassis should be bonded together with short, fat copper, all equipment should be powered from outlets that share the same "green wire" or outlets whose green wires are bonded together. and bonds between those outlets and all other grounds in your home. 73, Jim K9YC From emoss98133 at msn.com Sat Mar 9 16:05:08 2019 From: emoss98133 at msn.com (KD7PY) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 14:05:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500: birdies on 6m from LCD backlight In-Reply-To: <1424984501069-7599411.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <000001d051fd$1627fec0$4277fc40$@ioka.net> <1424984501069-7599411.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1552165508295-0.post@n2.nabble.com> his is my post of Nov, 15 2011: This is what I found as the source of the birdie's in the amp. with the LCD BRT set anywhere from 1 to 8 the birdies are there. with the LCD BRT set to DAY the birds are gone.. I have been working all day with Dale @ Elecraft with this and just sent him a e-mail of what I found. Dale has been very involved in this trying to track this down.. now we need to see just what kind of fix we can come up with.. I can't Thank Dale and crew enough for the support they have put into this, as it appears everyone got envolved. Thanks Again Dale @ crew.. Elecraft sent me a new Front board , as it is due to a bad filter cap on the display driver Ed K7WIA -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From emoss98133 at msn.com Sat Mar 9 16:09:51 2019 From: emoss98133 at msn.com (KD7PY) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 14:09:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Nasty spurs on RX with new KPA500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1552165791144-0.post@n2.nabble.com> his is my post of Nov, 15 2011: This is what I found as the source of the birdie's in the amp. with the LCD BRT set anywhere from 1 to 8 the birdies are there. with the LCD BRT set to DAY the birds are gone.. I have been working all day with Dale @ Elecraft with this and just sent him a e-mail of what I found. Dale has been very involved in this trying to track this down.. now we need to see just what kind of fix we can come up with.. I can't Thank Dale and crew enough for the support they have put into this, as it appears everyone got envolved. Thanks Again Dale @ crew.. Elecraft sent me a new Front board , as it is due to a bad filter cap on the display driver Ed K7WIA -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Mar 9 16:34:19 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 13:34:19 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC control of W6PQL amp from my K3 In-Reply-To: <7d34ffee-4961-0459-3799-dcd3154eeae7@blomand.net> References: <6039c26a-349d-7c46-f118-78080b65fe5c@embarqmail.com> <68281cde-2dec-b088-c384-b5a8295b1fa3@audiosystemsgroup.com> <7d34ffee-4961-0459-3799-dcd3154eeae7@blomand.net> Message-ID: On 3/9/2019 12:57 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > Yes and some brand(s) of radios are affectionately known as "click > generators" being the result of they way they control power. I wouldn't call that affection, but rather disgust. And I wouldn't blame it entirely on how they control power. Several years ago, I produced a study of ARRL Lab reviews of the CW bandwidth of about 20 transceivers, including some of the most expensive. The best (the cleanest) was the K3, followed by the Kenwood TS590. The worst were Yaesu rigs, with Icom about half as bad. The study is here. http://k9yc.com/TXNoise.pdf Not included in the analysis are the current generation of Flex rigs, which, when tested by ARRL Labs were pretty dirty, but made pretty clean by new firmware released not much later. Also not included was the improvement to the Yaesu rigs by new firmware released after I leaked a preliminary version of my study to someone who I strongly suspected would pass it along to the factory. :) The improvement is documented here. http://k9yc.com/FTDX5000_Report.pdf A primary contributor to excessive bandwidth is excessively fast rise/fall time of keying, and the best rigs (the K3 and the Flex 6000 series) carefully shape keying to minimize CW bandwidth while maintaining clearly defined keying. The worst rigs do none of that, include controls that allow the user to change the rise/fall time, and set a fast (worst) time as the default. 73, Jim K9YC From john at kk9a.com Sat Mar 9 16:55:03 2019 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 16:55:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 80m KPA1500 High reflected power problems Message-ID: <000001d4d6c2$c0aefd00$420cf700$@com> So above 3.675 it works fine? Weird. When you say it was happening previously, is that also with the KPA1500? First I would try another amp and watch the SWR. I would also try bybassing any lightning protection devices and coax relays so you just have coax and an antenna connected to the amp. GL John KK9A Peter Dougherty W2IRT wrote: HI guys, I'm still having a serious problem on 80m with my KPA1500. With the amp inline I'm getting high reflected power fault everywhere below about 3675. My antenna (an inverted vee) is resonant at 3550, and the SWR is below 2:1 from 3500 to 3630. This was happening in the past as well, and prompted me to completely rebuild the antenna last summer. The antenna is fed with 100' of brand new Davis BuryFlex feedline, a brand-new 5kW-rated Balun Designs 1:1 current balun, new 12 AWG copper-clad steel wire, even new heavy ceramic insulators! Without the amp everything's fine. I can push 100W through to the antenna all day; the SWR LEDs on the amp (bypassed) show two green and that's it. It's fine on every other band, including 80/75 phone. With the amp in, If I drop the drive to 10W or less, the amp is happy and I get about 450 Watts out. But the instant I drive it with ~15 Watts (when the K3s kicks the high power module in, and I hear the internal relay click, I get the HI SWR warning and the amp faults. 100% repeatable. Doesn't matter if the tuner is in or out..there's NO way to get high power out of the KPA on 80 CW. More details: If the KPA's tuner is bypassed it just faults instantly. If the tuner is placed inline and I find a match, I can get about a second's or two's worth of power before the SWR LEDs start lighting up, then the fault happens. Any idea what's going on here? This is unbelievably frustrating From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Mar 9 17:46:01 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 14:46:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] 80m KPA1500 High reflected power problems In-Reply-To: <000001d4d6c2$c0aefd00$420cf700$@com> References: <000001d4d6c2$c0aefd00$420cf700$@com> Message-ID: <124827b6-b571-9f15-862e-7e7414629c3e@audiosystemsgroup.com> > Peter Dougherty W2IRT wrote: > > HI guys, > I'm still having a serious problem on 80m with my KPA1500. > > With the amp inline I'm getting high reflected power fault everywhere below > about 3675. My antenna (an inverted vee) is resonant at 3550, and the SWR is > below 2:1 from 3500 to 3630. Hi Peter, The KPA 1500 has a built-in antenna tuner. Is it possible that it's not set up, or is not set up correctly, or is not being used correctly?? Perhaps the wrong operating mode for it, or it's calling up wrong memorized settings?? I don't own one, but borrowed one from K6XX while he was at WRTC. I mostly used it on 6M, plus the few hours 20M was open to DL enough to work the WRTC stations. 73, Jim K9YC From jasimmons at pinewooddata.com Sat Mar 9 19:45:56 2019 From: jasimmons at pinewooddata.com (John Simmons) Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2019 18:45:56 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC control of W6PQL amp from my K3 In-Reply-To: References: <6039c26a-349d-7c46-f118-78080b65fe5c@embarqmail.com> <68281cde-2dec-b088-c384-b5a8295b1fa3@audiosystemsgroup.com> <7d34ffee-4961-0459-3799-dcd3154eeae7@blomand.net> Message-ID: <5C845E44.4040603@pinewooddata.com> Jim and all: I have been a ham and avid CW op since 1970. I remember the Drake twins having a wonderful sound on CW, an almost bell-like sound. Has anyone looked at the CW waveform of those old rigs compared to the new generation? -John NI0K > Jim Brown > Saturday, March 09, 2019 3:34 PM > > > I wouldn't call that affection, but rather disgust. And I wouldn't > blame it entirely on how they control power. > > Several years ago, I produced a study of ARRL Lab reviews of the CW > bandwidth of about 20 transceivers, including some of the most > expensive. The best (the cleanest) was the K3, followed by the Kenwood > TS590. The worst were Yaesu rigs, with Icom about half as bad. > > The study is here. http://k9yc.com/TXNoise.pdf > > Not included in the analysis are the current generation of Flex rigs, > which, when tested by ARRL Labs were pretty dirty, but made pretty > clean by new firmware released not much later. Also not included was > the improvement to the Yaesu rigs by new firmware released after I > leaked a preliminary version of my study to someone who I strongly > suspected would pass it along to the factory. :) The improvement is > documented here. > > http://k9yc.com/FTDX5000_Report.pdf > > A primary contributor to excessive bandwidth is excessively fast > rise/fall time of keying, and the best rigs (the K3 and the Flex 6000 > series) carefully shape keying to minimize CW bandwidth while > maintaining clearly defined keying. The worst rigs do none of that, > include controls that allow the user to change the rise/fall time, and > set a fast (worst) time as the default. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Jim Brown > Saturday, March 09, 2019 2:38 PM > > > No, it does not. It is science. ALC should NEVER be used to set the > output power of a power amplifier, because doing so produces lots of > distortion (splatter, clicks). ALC should be used ONLY to protect the > power amp from damage in the event of problems in the antenna system > or operator error. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > KENT TRIMBLE > Saturday, March 09, 2019 11:59 AM > Along with this, it should be noted (especially for new Amateurs) that > . . . > > Don is correct (always is) concerning the non-employment of ALC with > respect to Elecraft transceivers which produce power differently from > other brands. On this reflector, the recommendation not to use ALC > pertains solely to Elecraft products. > > However, many Elecraft owners own and operate other brands of > transceivers and amplifiers. When using those other brands, the > instructions provided in the transceiver manual AND the instructions > provided in the amplifier manual about using ALC should be followed, > especially with solid state amplifiers. Those instructions often > differ from those recommended by Elecraft. Some brands require a > one-time ALC calibration procedure prior to use. Once properly > configured, they are usually free of the distortion Don rightfully > talks about. > > As a friend of mine puts it, the ALC controversy borders on being a > religious issue. > > 73, > > Kent K9ZTV > > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Don Wilhelm > Saturday, March 09, 2019 11:01 AM > Bob, > > It is important to understand that ALC does not control the amplifier, > it is an attempt by the amplifier to control the transceiver. > > ALC is sent FROM the amplifier in an attempt to control the power of > the transceiver. > > Used indiscriminately, that will cause distortion in the driving > transciver. > > Elecraft does not recommend the use of ALC for power control because > of that. Set the power output of the transceiver to drive the > amplifier properly and adjust the amplifier ALC to produce no ALC at > that point. If the amplifier has fault detection, then ALC can be used > to drop input power if a fault occurs - that is the only legitimate > use of ALC. > > So in many cases, an ALC connection is not needed. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From lists at w2irt.net Sat Mar 9 22:05:01 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 22:05:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 80m KPA1500 High reflected power problems In-Reply-To: <124827b6-b571-9f15-862e-7e7414629c3e@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <000001d4d6c2$c0aefd00$420cf700$@com> <124827b6-b571-9f15-862e-7e7414629c3e@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <010b01d4d6ee$0e5c5680$2b150380$@w2irt.net> Jim, this is with the internal tuner in either mode--bypassed or inline. If I sit on 3504, I'm about 1.65:1 natively. I could run that without a tuner or with. But in either case, it faults out instantly with QRO power applied. The SWR seems to go haywire on the lower frequency ranges of the 80m band. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 5:46 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 80m KPA1500 High reflected power problems Hi Peter, The KPA 1500 has a built-in antenna tuner. Is it possible that it's not set up, or is not set up correctly, or is not being used correctly? Perhaps the wrong operating mode for it, or it's calling up wrong memorized settings? I don't own one, but borrowed one from K6XX while he was at WRTC. I mostly used it on 6M, plus the few hours 20M was open to DL enough to work the WRTC stations. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From va3mw at portcredit.net Sat Mar 9 22:13:41 2019 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 22:13:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 80m KPA1500 High reflected power problems In-Reply-To: <010b01d4d6ee$0e5c5680$2b150380$@w2irt.net> References: <000001d4d6c2$c0aefd00$420cf700$@com> <124827b6-b571-9f15-862e-7e7414629c3e@audiosystemsgroup.com> <010b01d4d6ee$0e5c5680$2b150380$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <08B2DC76-C6AD-4509-B307-1BB57650D15B@portcredit.net> You may want to try choking the feedline at the antenna and more importantly at the amp end with mix 31 or 43 chokes. The high swr is likely the symptom not the problem. Mike va3mw > On Mar 9, 2019, at 10:05 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > > Jim, this is with the internal tuner in either mode--bypassed or inline. If I sit on 3504, I'm about 1.65:1 natively. I could run that without a tuner or with. But in either case, it faults out instantly with QRO power applied. The SWR seems to go haywire on the lower frequency ranges of the 80m band. > > - pjd > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Jim Brown > Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 5:46 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 80m KPA1500 High reflected power problems > > Hi Peter, > > The KPA 1500 has a built-in antenna tuner. Is it possible that it's not set up, or is not set up correctly, or is not being used correctly? Perhaps the wrong operating mode for it, or it's calling up wrong memorized settings? I don't own one, but borrowed one from K6XX while he was at WRTC. I mostly used it on 6M, plus the few hours 20M was open to DL enough to work the WRTC stations. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From lists at w2irt.net Sat Mar 9 22:17:37 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 22:17:37 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 80m KPA1500 High reflected power problems In-Reply-To: <000001d4d6c2$c0aefd00$420cf700$@com> References: <000001d4d6c2$c0aefd00$420cf700$@com> Message-ID: <010e01d4d6ef$d0723360$71569a20$@w2irt.net> John, I know there were some issues with my old tube amp, but it did load enough to get me 275-odd DXCC entities with 1500W on 80 CW. The KPA has never been used in the past on 80 since I was having antenna trouble (one end was down all winter and it just got fixed today). Everything's snow covered out the back so I don't want to play around at the coax switch at the moment. I'll try bypassing the switch when it's a bit warmer and the snow is gone. Of note, last year with the weird SWR, the "old antenna" (same physical space and height, just all different materials) was cut to 3750 and I used a tuner for the bottom end. I found the tuner kept giving me "unable to find a match" when I tried tuning with high power from my tube amp. I figured replacing every factor in that chain would fix the issue; the only thing that's the same is the antenna switch and the physical orientation of the wires themselves. New amp, new coax, new balun, new wire, insulators and even the support ropes were changed out. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: john at kk9a.com Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 4:55 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Cc: lists at w2irt.net Subject: re: [Elecraft] 80m KPA1500 High reflected power problems So above 3.675 it works fine? Weird. When you say it was happening previously, is that also with the KPA1500? First I would try another amp and watch the SWR. I would also try bybassing any lightning protection devices and coax relays so you just have coax and an antenna connected to the amp. GL John KK9A From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Mar 9 23:06:56 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 23:06:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 80m KPA1500 High reflected power problems In-Reply-To: <010e01d4d6ef$d0723360$71569a20$@w2irt.net> References: <000001d4d6c2$c0aefd00$420cf700$@com> <010e01d4d6ef$d0723360$71569a20$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <184adc86-f63b-7a3a-a29a-7b6f00996678@embarqmail.com> Peter, If your antenna end insulators are covered with ice and snow, it is entirely possible that the ice/snow covering will not show conductivity with low power, but will become conductive at high power. That will make whatever material you are using to support the antenna ends a part of the antenna radiator - effectively lengthening the antenna. Shake the snow and ice from the end insulators and/or use longer end insulators and there is a good chance your problem will go away. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/9/2019 10:17 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > John, I know there were some issues with my old tube amp, but it did load > enough to get me 275-odd DXCC entities with 1500W on 80 CW. The KPA has > never been used in the past on 80 since I was having antenna trouble (one > end was down all winter and it just got fixed today). > > Everything's snow covered out the back so I don't want to play around at the > coax switch at the moment. I'll try bypassing the switch when it's a bit > warmer and the snow is gone. > > Of note, last year with the weird SWR, the "old antenna" (same physical > space and height, just all different materials) was cut to 3750 and I used a > tuner for the bottom end. I found the tuner kept giving me "unable to find a > match" when I tried tuning with high power from my tube amp. I figured > replacing every factor in that chain would fix the issue; the only thing > that's the same is the antenna switch and the physical orientation of the > wires themselves. New amp, new coax, new balun, new wire, insulators and > even the support ropes were changed out. > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Mar 9 23:25:29 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 20:25:29 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] 80m KPA1500 High reflected power problems In-Reply-To: <08B2DC76-C6AD-4509-B307-1BB57650D15B@portcredit.net> References: <000001d4d6c2$c0aefd00$420cf700$@com> <124827b6-b571-9f15-862e-7e7414629c3e@audiosystemsgroup.com> <010b01d4d6ee$0e5c5680$2b150380$@w2irt.net> <08B2DC76-C6AD-4509-B307-1BB57650D15B@portcredit.net> Message-ID: <26619c4f-6f03-7c99-a992-54fe90dcda07@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 3/9/2019 7:13 PM, Michael Walker wrote: > You may want to try choking the feedline at the antenna Always a good thing. > and more importantly at the amp end No, the FEEDPOINT is the most important place for the first choke in any antenna system.? The purpose of a second choke on an antenna like a dipole is to prevent it from acting as a parasitic element to a nearby vertical. > with mix 31 Yes. > or 43 chokes. I've recently completed a year's worth of extensive lab work that has convinced me that #43 is NOT a good material for HF chokes. Ditto for the #52 material that G3TXQ recommended. Two characteristics combine to make it a poor choice. First, it's a relatively high Q material, so the resonance it produces can get very narrow. Second, like all Fair-Rite parts, it's a wide tolerance part -- +/- 20%.? A part at the low end of the tolerance range will produce a very different choke (resonance in the wrong place, very narrow bandwidth, wider resonance and not high enough impedance. That work has produced, among other things, an all new cookbook with greatly improved designs.? k9yc.com/2018Cookbook.pdf As to Peter's problem -- I'm inclined to agree with Don that something may be arcing in the antenna system and causing a true fault. 73, Jim K9YC From n2ry at yahoo.com Sat Mar 9 23:33:38 2019 From: n2ry at yahoo.com (Rich Yost) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 23:33:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 160m failure tonight on a kpa1500 Message-ID: Well, some bad things have just happened tonight. Most of the day spent on 80m was fine Spent about an hour on 40m. Still fine went down to 160m, apparently blew something (ldmos?) Amp went a bit crazy, kept faulting, powered off then wouldn?t power back till cycled main power then had to do a force firmware load multiple times Firmware doesn?t seem to be holding after power down even went back to 2.0 I was running 2.09 from 2.00. Everything was fine until 160 tonight I use the same antenna on all bands 160 dipole fed with ladder line fed thru a 4:1 DX Eng balun. Looks like it?s going to have to go back. Only 5 months old. Have to open a ticket Monday Rich n2ry Sent from my iPad From bill at wjschmidt.com Sun Mar 10 00:13:24 2019 From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 01:13:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC control of W6PQL amp from my K3 In-Reply-To: <68281cde-2dec-b088-c384-b5a8295b1fa3@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <6039c26a-349d-7c46-f118-78080b65fe5c@embarqmail.com> <68281cde-2dec-b088-c384-b5a8295b1fa3@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <8BDD5CE5-7610-4595-BA7D-3B918D0AC476@wjschmidt.com> The underlying reality is that if you analyze the input-output transfer function for a linear amplifier with ALC, the resulting transfer function is not linear. Thus you would expect all sorts of odd behaviors as the function changes order when ALC engages. Simple math. Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ email: bill at wjschmidt.com > On Mar 9, 2019, at 4:38 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On 3/9/2019 9:59 AM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote: >> As a friend of mine puts it, the ALC controversy borders on being a religious issue. > > No, it does not. It is science. ALC should NEVER be used to set the output power of a power amplifier, because doing so produces lots of distortion (splatter, clicks). ALC should be used ONLY to protect the power amp from damage in the event of problems in the antenna system or operator error. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From ghyoungman at gmail.com Sun Mar 10 00:14:50 2019 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 00:14:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 80m KPA1500 High reflected power problems In-Reply-To: <26619c4f-6f03-7c99-a992-54fe90dcda07@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <000001d4d6c2$c0aefd00$420cf700$@com> <124827b6-b571-9f15-862e-7e7414629c3e@audiosystemsgroup.com> <010b01d4d6ee$0e5c5680$2b150380$@w2irt.net> <08B2DC76-C6AD-4509-B307-1BB57650D15B@portcredit.net> <26619c4f-6f03-7c99-a992-54fe90dcda07@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <70A5BD53-FB91-43FA-B4E3-D18474539A66@gmail.com> Great info. Thanks, Jim ? Grant NQ5T K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 > > I've recently completed a year's worth of extensive lab work that has convinced me that #43 is NOT a good material for HF chokes. Ditto for the #52 material that G3TXQ recommended. Two characteristics combine to make it a poor choice. First, it's a relatively high Q material, so the resonance it produces can get very narrow. Second, like all Fair-Rite parts, it's a wide tolerance part -- +/- 20%. A part at the low end of the tolerance range will produce a very different choke (resonance in the wrong place, very narrow bandwidth, wider resonance and not high enough impedance. > From eric at elecraft.com Sun Mar 10 00:24:08 2019 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 21:24:08 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] 160m failure tonight on a kpa1500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2F183253-4946-4C20-AD43-A0932B32E97A@elecraft.com> Hi Rich, Ouch. I?m about to go to bed here right now. I?ll get back in touch with you tomorrow morning to debug this some more. Feel free to email me via direct email any more info, if you have it, on the f/w load problem or actual fault messages you were seeing. We will get this resolved for you asap. Regards, Eric elecraft.com --- Sent from my iPhone 6S > On Mar 9, 2019, at 8:33 PM, Rich Yost via Elecraft wrote: > > Well, some bad things have just happened tonight. > Most of the day spent on 80m was fine > Spent about an hour on 40m. Still fine > went down to 160m, apparently blew something (ldmos?) > Amp went a bit crazy, kept faulting, powered off then wouldn?t power back till cycled main power then had to do a force firmware load multiple times > Firmware doesn?t seem to be holding after power down even went back to 2.0 > > I was running 2.09 from 2.00. Everything was fine until 160 tonight > > I use the same antenna on all bands 160 dipole fed with ladder line fed thru a 4:1 DX Eng balun. > > Looks like it?s going to have to go back. Only 5 months old. > > Have to open a ticket Monday > > Rich > n2ry > > > > > Sent from my iPad > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From k9jri at mac.com Sun Mar 10 09:38:49 2019 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 09:38:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Where is the 1500 KHz. HPF in the K3/K3s Message-ID: I understand that a BCB HPF is necessary to protect the PIN diode switches from BCB (Broadcast Band) overload but I can not find it in the K3s schematics. Can anyone tell me which sheet and components make up this filter. I understand that to receive 630M you bypass the HP filter by using the RX IN but I am curious where it is on the schematic. Michael Blake k9jri at mac.com From kd4iz at frawg.org Sun Mar 10 10:27:37 2019 From: kd4iz at frawg.org (kd4iz at frawg.org) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 10:27:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA/KAT500 Mystery Fail Message-ID: <00b801d4d74d$69a98d00$3cfca700$@frawg.org> All, I have been using the KPA500/KAT500 combo with an IC-7300 and an IC-7100 for around a year now. They are cabled and configured as per the Elecraft device manuals. The cabling is identical for the two transmitters (actually, I use the same 2 cables for both). All has been working properly with both radios until very recently. The amp and the tuner continue to behave properly with the 7300. The KAT500 continues to work perfectly with the 7100, however the KPA500 no longer band switches when I change bands on the 7100 and key up. In addition, the amplifier will not key. The 7100 still can put out full power with the KAT500 in line. I have not changed any setting in any of the 3 devices to my knowledge. It is like the KPA500 has become deaf to the IC-7100. After switching back and forth and looking at all device settings, I am baffled at this point! Is there anything in the way of rig to amplifier line signals that could inhibit band switching by the amplifier but not by the antenna tuner? Thanks for your thoughts. KD4IZ Jack Spitznagel FM19oo From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sun Mar 10 10:39:40 2019 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 07:39:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC control of W6PQL amp from my K3 In-Reply-To: References: <6039c26a-349d-7c46-f118-78080b65fe5c@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <131470bb-b065-69d1-9aed-597950066ec4@triconet.org> Indeed.? Folks who would never think to turn off the AGC in their receivers get weak-kneed at the thought of AGC (ALC) being used in the transmit loop.? In "Fundamentals of SSB", Collins radio speaks of ALC (pp.7-10,11) without any negativity, and in fact calls it a form of speech compression.? As in many things, the devil is in the details. I suspect most of the Elecraft faithful would also be surprised to know that their beloved K3s use internal ALC as well as digital power control. This is not perfect, I've observed overshoot, power slowly increasing to set level and low level power jitter*. * You need a spectrum analyzer to see this and it's unlikely to be heard on the air, but it's there. Wes? N7WS On 3/9/2019 10:59 AM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote: > ... > As a friend of mine puts it, the ALC controversy borders on being a religious > issue. > > 73, > > Kent? K9ZTV From alaparos at w2cs.net Sun Mar 10 10:51:01 2019 From: alaparos at w2cs.net (Gary J Ferdinand) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 10:51:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SPAN Instability Message-ID: Various searches dredged up nothing helpful. I recently developed a P3 problem. The SPAN does not get saved. Whenever I change bands to a band I had set it, say, to 50 kHz, the SPAN resets itself to 5 kHz. Sometimes I can even watch the display as it cranks down the bandwidth. This is a P3 *without* SVGA, but *with* TXMon. It has 1.60 firmware installed and reloaded without effect. It is not directly connected to a PC. The transceiver to which it is connected is a K3S. P3 SPAN settings: SpanScale: REF LEVEL ONLY, SteppedSpan: OFF I appreciate any pointers to where I should look. Thanks. 73/Gary W2CS From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Sun Mar 10 11:06:22 2019 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 17:06:22 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SPAN Instability In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <81bc4eb4-1372-80e8-a5bd-d46530b01052@gmail.com> I had a problem in which both SPAN and CENTER changed arbitrarily (it seemed) on band changes. I finally saved the configuration using the P3 Utility, reset the P3 to factory parameters (power off, hold LABELS while powering on, wait for 2 seconds, let go of LABELS), and finally used the utility to restore the configuration. The problem hasn't recurred -- it's been a few weeks and it was pretty much a daily occurrence. YMMV. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO CWops no. 5 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 10/03/2019 16:51, Gary J Ferdinand wrote: > Various searches dredged up nothing helpful. I recently developed a > P3 problem. The SPAN does not get saved. Whenever I change bands to > a band I had set it, say, to 50 kHz, the SPAN resets itself to 5 kHz. > Sometimes I can even watch the display as it cranks down the > bandwidth. > > This is a P3 *without* SVGA, but *with* TXMon. It has 1.60 firmware > installed and reloaded without effect. It is not directly connected > to a PC. The transceiver to which it is connected is a K3S. > > P3 SPAN settings: SpanScale: REF LEVEL ONLY, SteppedSpan: OFF > > I appreciate any pointers to where I should look. Thanks. > > 73/Gary W2CS From wa2lbi at gmail.com Sun Mar 10 11:33:06 2019 From: wa2lbi at gmail.com (Ken Winterling) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 11:33:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA/KAT500 Mystery Fail In-Reply-To: <00b801d4d74d$69a98d00$3cfca700$@frawg.org> References: <00b801d4d74d$69a98d00$3cfca700$@frawg.org> Message-ID: Jack, I assume the two cables you use are the RF coax cable and the PTT keying line, correct? The keying line should connect from the rig, then to the KAT500, and finally the KPA500. This allows the KAT500 to disable the keying for the KPA500 during tuning or high SWR conditions. It is possible that with moving the cables between the two rigs the keying line cable has been damaged. I have seen this before where a cable works fine in one jack but not in another. It is a matter of the cable being in just the right position. If you rotate it slightly it goes OC (Open Circuit). To simplify troubleshooting I would eliminate the KAT500 and plug the keying line directly from the IC-7100 into the KPA500. Put the amp on a dummy load. You said the '7100 doesn't key the KPA500. You can check the KPA500 display for an asterisk (*) on the left side indicating that the amp is receiving a keying signal (contact closure to ground) from the rig ('7100). If you do not see that asterisk (*) then the amp is not being keyed by the rig. Try a different cable to the rig. If that doesn't work then try leaving the keying cable plugged into the amp and unplugging the cable from the rig. Touch to ground the center conductor of the end of the cable you removed from the rig. It should key the amp and show the asterisk (*) in the display. If the amp keys with the cable grounded then it it time to look at the keying jack/circuit of the IC -7100. Let us know what you find. Ken WA2LBI On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 10:28 AM wrote: > All, > > I have been using the KPA500/KAT500 combo with an IC-7300 and an IC-7100 > for > around a year now. They are cabled and configured as per the Elecraft > device > manuals. The cabling is identical for the two transmitters (actually, I use > the same 2 cables for both). All has been working properly with both radios > until very recently. The amp and the tuner continue to behave properly with > the 7300. > The KAT500 continues to work perfectly with the 7100, however the > KPA500 no longer band switches when I change bands on the 7100 and key up. > In addition, the amplifier will not key. The 7100 still can put out full > power with the KAT500 in line. I have not changed any setting in any of the > 3 devices to my knowledge. It is like the KPA500 has become deaf to the > IC-7100. > > After switching back and forth and looking at all device settings, I am > baffled at this point! Is there anything in the way of rig to amplifier > line > signals that could inhibit band switching by the amplifier but not by the > antenna tuner? > > Thanks for your thoughts. > > KD4IZ > > Jack Spitznagel > > FM19oo > > From alaparos at w2cs.net Sun Mar 10 11:44:27 2019 From: alaparos at w2cs.net (Gary J Ferdinand) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 11:44:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: P3 SPAN Instability References: <3D603A1A-FF25-4270-9D04-D14DCD28AD70@w2cs.net> Message-ID: > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Gary J Ferdinand > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 SPAN Instability > Date: March 10, 2019 at 11:43:06 AM EDT > To: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP > > That was an excellent suggestion! I hadn?t thought of the factory reset. I did as you suggested. So far all is well. > > TU / 73 > > Gary W2CS > > >> On Mar 10, 2019, at 11:06 AM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: >> >> I had a problem in which both SPAN and CENTER changed arbitrarily (it >> seemed) on band changes. I finally saved the configuration using the P3 >> Utility, reset the P3 to factory parameters (power off, hold LABELS >> while powering on, wait for 2 seconds, let go of LABELS), and finally >> used the utility to restore the configuration. >> The problem hasn't recurred -- it's been a few weeks and it was pretty >> much a daily occurrence. >> YMMV. >> >> >> 73, >> Victor, 4X6GP >> Rehovot, Israel >> Formerly K2VCO >> CWops no. 5 >> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ >> >> On 10/03/2019 16:51, Gary J Ferdinand wrote: >>> Various searches dredged up nothing helpful. I recently developed a >>> P3 problem. The SPAN does not get saved. Whenever I change bands to >>> a band I had set it, say, to 50 kHz, the SPAN resets itself to 5 kHz. >>> Sometimes I can even watch the display as it cranks down the >>> bandwidth. >>> This is a P3 *without* SVGA, but *with* TXMon. It has 1.60 firmware >>> installed and reloaded without effect. It is not directly connected >>> to a PC. The transceiver to which it is connected is a K3S. >>> P3 SPAN settings: SpanScale: REF LEVEL ONLY, SteppedSpan: OFF >>> I appreciate any pointers to where I should look. Thanks. >>> 73/Gary W2CS > From john at kk9a.com Sun Mar 10 11:52:23 2019 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 11:52:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 80m KPA1500 High reflected power problems In-Reply-To: <184adc86-f63b-7a3a-a29a-7b6f00996678@embarqmail.com> References: <000001d4d6c2$c0aefd00$420cf700$@com> <010e01d4d6ef$d0723360$71569a20$@w2irt.net> <184adc86-f63b-7a3a-a29a-7b6f00996678@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <002101d4d759$42a6b5f0$c7f421d0$@com> And the dipole wire (especially the ends) needs to be away from branches, shrubs ,etc. John KK9A -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com] Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2019 11:07 PM To: Peter Dougherty; john at kk9a.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 80m KPA1500 High reflected power problems Peter, If your antenna end insulators are covered with ice and snow, it is entirely possible that the ice/snow covering will not show conductivity with low power, but will become conductive at high power. That will make whatever material you are using to support the antenna ends a part of the antenna radiator - effectively lengthening the antenna. Shake the snow and ice from the end insulators and/or use longer end insulators and there is a good chance your problem will go away. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/9/2019 10:17 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > John, I know there were some issues with my old tube amp, but it did load > enough to get me 275-odd DXCC entities with 1500W on 80 CW. The KPA has > never been used in the past on 80 since I was having antenna trouble (one > end was down all winter and it just got fixed today). > > Everything's snow covered out the back so I don't want to play around at the > coax switch at the moment. I'll try bypassing the switch when it's a bit > warmer and the snow is gone. > > Of note, last year with the weird SWR, the "old antenna" (same physical > space and height, just all different materials) was cut to 3750 and I used a > tuner for the bottom end. I found the tuner kept giving me "unable to find a > match" when I tried tuning with high power from my tube amp. I figured > replacing every factor in that chain would fix the issue; the only thing > that's the same is the antenna switch and the physical orientation of the > wires themselves. New amp, new coax, new balun, new wire, insulators and > even the support ropes were changed out. > From dave at nk7z.net Sun Mar 10 12:14:50 2019 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 09:14:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SPAN Instability In-Reply-To: <81bc4eb4-1372-80e8-a5bd-d46530b01052@gmail.com> References: <81bc4eb4-1372-80e8-a5bd-d46530b01052@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3d8b7c8c-688e-3ee6-cf36-9ab5a6f056ce@nk7z.net> I am seeing something similar to this as well... Not in SPAN, but in REF LVL. I set REF LVL while on 30 Meters, and leave the band. Ssometimes when I return to 30, I need to touch the REF LVL level to get it to return... By touch, I mean I select REF LVL, then just turn the knob ever so slightly. The P3 then reverts to where it should be... P3 with SVGA, and power monitor. Only on 30 meters... Any suggestions? 73s and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net Award Manager, 30MDG Grid Awards ARRL Technical Specialist ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL OOC for Oregon On 3/10/19 8:06 AM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: > I had a problem in which both SPAN and CENTER changed arbitrarily (it > seemed) on band changes. I finally saved the configuration using the P3 > Utility, reset the P3 to factory parameters (power off, hold LABELS > while powering on, wait for 2 seconds, let go of LABELS), and finally > used the utility to restore the configuration. > The problem hasn't recurred -- it's been a few weeks and it was pretty > much a daily occurrence. > YMMV. > > > 73, > Victor, 4X6GP > Rehovot, Israel > Formerly K2VCO > CWops no. 5 > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ > > On 10/03/2019 16:51, Gary J Ferdinand wrote: >> Various searches dredged up nothing helpful.? I recently developed a >> P3 problem.? The SPAN does not get saved.? Whenever I change bands to >> a band I had set it, say, to 50 kHz, the SPAN resets itself to 5 kHz. >> Sometimes I can even watch the display as it cranks down the >> bandwidth. >> >> This is a P3 *without* SVGA, but *with* TXMon.? It has 1.60 firmware >> installed and reloaded without effect.? It is not directly connected >> to a PC. The transceiver to which it is connected is a K3S. >> >> P3 SPAN settings:? SpanScale: REF LEVEL ONLY, SteppedSpan:? OFF >> >> I appreciate any pointers to where I should look.? Thanks. >> >> 73/Gary W2CS > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From nc3z at outlook.com Sun Mar 10 12:55:43 2019 From: nc3z at outlook.com (Gary NC3Z) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 16:55:43 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Nasty spurs on RX with new KPA500 In-Reply-To: <1005edb3-c24e-d900-d009-6cece4e2a345@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1005edb3-c24e-d900-d009-6cece4e2a345@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Yes Jim, everything is bonded. All 120V and 240V AC goes through ICE suppressors on a SPG, all shack equipment is bonded to that, etc. It's not a bonding issue (I have read and followed your "cook book" long ago). Several direct e-mails indicate it's an issue with the front panel board and this is not the first of this exact issue. So right now am just waiting for Elecraft to open back on Monday. Gary Mitchelson NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15 NC AHIMT COML SHARES NCS997 NC Deputy Auxcomm Coordinator - Statewide www.mitchelson.org On 3/9/2019 15:47, Jim Brown wrote: > On 3/9/2019 3:36 AM, Gary NC3Z wrote: >> It puts out strong spurs on 20-6M >> with 10M being the worst. > > In addition to the possibility of a coax cable with a bad shield > connection, another thought -- is your station properly bonded? Every > chassis should be bonded together with short, fat copper, all > equipment should be powered from outlets that share the same "green > wire" or outlets whose green wires are bonded together. and bonds > between those outlets and all other grounds in your home. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Sun Mar 10 13:13:42 2019 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 19:13:42 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SPAN Instability In-Reply-To: <3d8b7c8c-688e-3ee6-cf36-9ab5a6f056ce@nk7z.net> References: <81bc4eb4-1372-80e8-a5bd-d46530b01052@gmail.com> <3d8b7c8c-688e-3ee6-cf36-9ab5a6f056ce@nk7z.net> Message-ID: I've never had any trouble with REF LEVEL, but it can't hurt to try the save / reset / restore routine and see if it helps. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO CWops no. 5 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 10/03/2019 18:14, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: > I am seeing something similar to this as well... Not in SPAN, but in > REF LVL. I set REF LVL while on 30 Meters, and leave the band. > Ssometimes when I return to 30, I need to touch the REF LVL level to > get it to return... > > By touch, I mean I select REF LVL, then just turn the knob ever so > slightly. The P3 then reverts to where it should be... > > P3 with SVGA, and power monitor. Only on 30 meters... Any > suggestions? > > 73s and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net Award Manager, 30MDG > Grid Awards ARRL Technical Specialist ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL > OOC for Oregon > > On 3/10/19 8:06 AM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: >> I had a problem in which both SPAN and CENTER changed arbitrarily >> (it seemed) on band changes. I finally saved the configuration >> using the P3 Utility, reset the P3 to factory parameters (power >> off, hold LABELS while powering on, wait for 2 seconds, let go of >> LABELS), and finally used the utility to restore the >> configuration. The problem hasn't recurred -- it's been a few weeks >> and it was pretty much a daily occurrence. YMMV. >> >> >> 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO CWops no. 5 >> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ >> >> On 10/03/2019 16:51, Gary J Ferdinand wrote: >>> Various searches dredged up nothing helpful. I recently >>> developed a P3 problem. The SPAN does not get saved. Whenever I >>> change bands to a band I had set it, say, to 50 kHz, the SPAN >>> resets itself to 5 kHz. Sometimes I can even watch the display as >>> it cranks down the bandwidth. >>> >>> This is a P3 *without* SVGA, but *with* TXMon. It has 1.60 >>> firmware installed and reloaded without effect. It is not >>> directly connected to a PC. The transceiver to which it is >>> connected is a K3S. >>> >>> P3 SPAN settings: SpanScale: REF LEVEL ONLY, SteppedSpan: OFF >>> >>> I appreciate any pointers to where I should look. Thanks. >>> >>> 73/Gary W2CS From ka9zap at gmail.com Sun Mar 10 13:59:14 2019 From: ka9zap at gmail.com (Arthur Nienhouse) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 12:59:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] west mountain com speaker power supply info Message-ID: /*Can anyone help with power in put for the twin speakers west mountain is selling COM spkr computer spk system.. CS1 # 58409 950 The back is labeled DC IN but nothing as to voltage and pin out. There is nothing I can find on there web site or internet. Any help would be greatly appreciated Regards Art ka9zap */ From K8UT at charter.net Sun Mar 10 14:06:57 2019 From: K8UT at charter.net (Larry (K8UT)) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 18:06:57 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] west mountain com speaker power supply info In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Art, I have two pair of those speakers - one pair from the PC audio and the other from the two K3 audio channels. I run them both from my shack 12 VDC power supply. (i hate wall warts) -larry (K8UT) ------ Original Message ------ From: "Arthur Nienhouse" To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 2019-03-10 13:59:14 Subject: [Elecraft] west mountain com speaker power supply info >/*Can anyone help with power in put for the twin speakers west mountain is selling COM spkr computer spk >system.. CS1 # 58409 950 > >The back is labeled DC IN but nothing as to voltage and pin out. >There is nothing I can find on there web site or internet. > >Any help would be greatly appreciated >Regards >Art >ka9zap >*/ >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From kevinr at coho.net Sun Mar 10 14:15:55 2019 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 11:15:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <0003633b-c25e-2677-3f20-a61f9cea6731@coho.net> Good Morning, ?? Check the new net times.? I wanted to keep the propagation instead of moving the nets.? So I did not change the Universal times but rather the local times.? If I would have used my normal methods the propagation would be much different. ?? Now, hopefully, there will be some propagation.? There are a couple CMEs due which may or may not strike the earth.? The one active sunspot sent a few G1 class flares in our direction has the potential for flares in the C class.? In another year or two we will see a more active sun.? Now if only it would stop snowing. Please join us tomorrow on: 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) ?7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS _ From kd4iz at frawg.org Sun Mar 10 14:17:23 2019 From: kd4iz at frawg.org (kd4iz at frawg.org) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 14:17:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA/KAT500 Mystery Fail In-Reply-To: References: <00b801d4d74d$69a98d00$3cfca700$@frawg.org> Message-ID: <016401d4d76d$83889340$8a99b9c0$@frawg.org> Hi Ken, All, Mike, N6MKF, sent me a direct email recommending that I try cleaning the connectors. I followed his recommendations again. No joy. The 7100 does not behave as a ?generic? rig. Remember that the more recent ICOM?s all use a 4 pin Molex for their ATU connection and have a 13 pin DIN connector that has all the other coding data and audio on it. Please see the cabling instructions on pages 8-10 in the KAT500 manual to see the wiring I use. I checked the RF run: The coax cable is connected through an antenna switch to the KPA500 which in turn runs to the ATU. If I by pass the switch, the behavior is the same. AFAICT that path is fine. The * (asterisk) does not show when the 7100 is keyed, so it appears that either the 7100?s HSEND line in the 13 pin DIN or the KEY line in the Molex is the issue. Basically the KEY line is the not the only key line signal? and HSEND is ?bi-directional? so that complicates things. I am not sure which one is routed to the KPA (or if they interact somehow). I know the KPA/KAT side is behaving as it should because they work with the 7300, so I will check both lines in both rigs and compare what they do when keyed. Probably the only way to tell if something needs repair or a connector is not making contact in the 7100. Thanks for thinking this through with me. KD4IZ Jack Spitznagel FM19oo From: Ken Winterling Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2019 11:33 To: kd4iz at frawg.org Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA/KAT500 Mystery Fail Jack, I assume the two cables you use are the RF coax cable and the PTT keying line, correct? The keying line should connect from the rig, then to the KAT500, and finally the KPA500. This allows the KAT500 to disable the keying for the KPA500 during tuning or high SWR conditions. It is possible that with moving the cables between the two rigs the keying line cable has been damaged. I have seen this before where a cable works fine in one jack but not in another. It is a matter of the cable being in just the right position. If you rotate it slightly it goes OC (Open Circuit). To simplify troubleshooting I would eliminate the KAT500 and plug the keying line directly from the IC-7100 into the KPA500. Put the amp on a dummy load. You said the '7100 doesn't key the KPA500. You can check the KPA500 display for an asterisk (*) on the left side indicating that the amp is receiving a keying signal (contact closure to ground) from the rig ('7100). If you do not see that asterisk (*) then the amp is not being keyed by the rig. Try a different cable to the rig. If that doesn't work then try leaving the keying cable plugged into the amp and unplugging the cable from the rig. Touch to ground the center conductor of the end of the cable you removed from the rig. It should key the amp and show the asterisk (*) in the display. If the amp keys with the cable grounded then it it time to look at the keying jack/circuit of the IC-7100. Let us know what you find. Ken WA2LBI On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 10:28 AM < > wrote: All, I have been using the KPA500/KAT500 combo with an IC-7300 and an IC-7100 for around a year now. They are cabled and configured as per the Elecraft device manuals. The cabling is identical for the two transmitters (actually, I use the same 2 cables for both). All has been working properly with both radios until very recently. The amp and the tuner continue to behave properly with the 7300. The KAT500 continues to work perfectly with the 7100, however the KPA500 no longer band switches when I change bands on the 7100 and key up. In addition, the amplifier will not key. The 7100 still can put out full power with the KAT500 in line. I have not changed any setting in any of the 3 devices to my knowledge. It is like the KPA500 has become deaf to the IC-7100. After switching back and forth and looking at all device settings, I am baffled at this point! Is there anything in the way of rig to amplifier line signals that could inhibit band switching by the amplifier but not by the antenna tuner? Thanks for your thoughts. KD4IZ Jack Spitznagel FM19oo From jasimmons at pinewooddata.com Sun Mar 10 14:34:37 2019 From: jasimmons at pinewooddata.com (John Simmons) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 13:34:37 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC control of W6PQL amp from my K3 In-Reply-To: <131470bb-b065-69d1-9aed-597950066ec4@triconet.org> References: <6039c26a-349d-7c46-f118-78080b65fe5c@embarqmail.com> <131470bb-b065-69d1-9aed-597950066ec4@triconet.org> Message-ID: <5C8558BD.4020803@pinewooddata.com> Wes, Once I got my LP100, I began to see the same behavior with my K3. This type of output anomaly is a huge reason to use ALC. 73, -John NI0K > Wes > Sunday, March 10, 2019 9:39 AM > Indeed. Folks who would never think to turn off the AGC in their > receivers get weak-kneed at the thought of AGC (ALC) being used in the > transmit loop. In "Fundamentals of SSB", Collins radio speaks of ALC > (pp.7-10,11) without any negativity, and in fact calls it a form of > speech compression. As in many things, the devil is in the details. > > I suspect most of the Elecraft faithful would also be surprised to > know that their beloved K3s use internal ALC as well as digital power > control. This is not perfect, I've observed overshoot, power slowly > increasing to set level and low level power jitter*. > > * You need a spectrum analyzer to see this and it's unlikely to be > heard on the air, but it's there. > > Wes N7WS > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From ka9zap at gmail.com Sun Mar 10 14:37:31 2019 From: ka9zap at gmail.com (Arthur Nienhouse) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 13:37:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] west mountain computer speakers power input Message-ID: <98e4fb70-7344-ccb8-5280-89e7a640e045@gmail.com> */Thanks Jim I misplaced the wall wort or the input info, so its 12 volts at 2 amp positive on the center pin, thanks for the help guys Regards Art ka9zap /* From dave at nk7z.net Sun Mar 10 14:57:47 2019 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 11:57:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SPAN Instability In-Reply-To: References: <81bc4eb4-1372-80e8-a5bd-d46530b01052@gmail.com> <3d8b7c8c-688e-3ee6-cf36-9ab5a6f056ce@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <889758a1-a337-e473-130c-ee891a05db1f@nk7z.net> I have been thinking of that. When you did it, was your P3 revocered to the same exact setup as when you saved the config file? Did you have to resetup anything else? 73s and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net Award Manager, 30MDG Grid Awards ARRL Technical Specialist ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL OOC for Oregon On 3/10/19 10:13 AM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: > I've never had any trouble with REF LEVEL, but it can't hurt to try the > save / reset / restore routine and see if it helps. > > 73, > Victor, 4X6GP > Rehovot, Israel > Formerly K2VCO > CWops no. 5 > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ > > > On 10/03/2019 18:14, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: >> I am seeing something similar to this as well...? Not in SPAN, but in >> ?REF LVL.? I set REF LVL while on 30 Meters, and leave the band. >> Ssometimes when I return to 30, I need to touch the REF LVL level to >> get it to return... >> >> By touch, I mean I select REF LVL, then just turn the knob ever so >> slightly.? The P3 then reverts to where it should be... >> >> P3 with SVGA, and power monitor.? Only on 30 meters...? Any >> suggestions? >> >> 73s and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net Award Manager, 30MDG >> Grid Awards ARRL Technical Specialist ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL >> OOC for Oregon >> >> On 3/10/19 8:06 AM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: >>> I had a problem in which both SPAN and CENTER changed arbitrarily >>> (it seemed) on band changes. I finally saved the configuration >>> using the P3 Utility, reset the P3 to factory parameters (power >>> off, hold LABELS while powering on, wait for 2 seconds, let go of >>> LABELS), and finally used the utility to restore the >>> configuration. The problem hasn't recurred -- it's been a few weeks >>> and it was pretty much a daily occurrence. YMMV. >>> >>> >>> 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO CWops no. 5 >>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ >>> >>> On 10/03/2019 16:51, Gary J Ferdinand wrote: >>>> Various searches dredged up nothing helpful.? I recently >>>> developed a P3 problem.? The SPAN does not get saved.? Whenever I >>>> change bands to a band I had set it, say, to 50 kHz, the SPAN >>>> resets itself to 5 kHz. Sometimes I can even watch the display as >>>> it cranks down the bandwidth. >>>> >>>> This is a P3 *without* SVGA, but *with* TXMon.? It has 1.60 >>>> firmware installed and reloaded without effect.? It is not >>>> directly connected to a PC. The transceiver to which it is >>>> connected is a K3S. >>>> >>>> P3 SPAN settings:? SpanScale: REF LEVEL ONLY, SteppedSpan:? OFF >>>> >>>> I appreciate any pointers to where I should look.? Thanks. >>>> >>>> 73/Gary W2CS > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Sun Mar 10 15:01:28 2019 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 21:01:28 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SPAN Instability In-Reply-To: <889758a1-a337-e473-130c-ee891a05db1f@nk7z.net> References: <81bc4eb4-1372-80e8-a5bd-d46530b01052@gmail.com> <3d8b7c8c-688e-3ee6-cf36-9ab5a6f056ce@nk7z.net> <889758a1-a337-e473-130c-ee891a05db1f@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <0d911ec6-cee4-ccf6-3581-f6578f5df345@gmail.com> No, the save/restore restored everything to how it was before. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO CWops no. 5 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 10 Mar 2019 20:57, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: > I have been thinking of that.? When you did it, was your P3 revocered to > the same exact setup as when you saved the config file?? Did you have to > resetup anything else? > > 73s and thanks, > Dave (NK7Z) > https://www.nk7z.net > Award Manager, 30MDG Grid Awards > ARRL Technical Specialist > ARRL Volunteer Examiner > ARRL OOC for Oregon From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Mar 10 15:02:30 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 12:02:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC control of W6PQL amp from my K3 In-Reply-To: <5C8558BD.4020803@pinewooddata.com> References: <6039c26a-349d-7c46-f118-78080b65fe5c@embarqmail.com> <131470bb-b065-69d1-9aed-597950066ec4@triconet.org> <5C8558BD.4020803@pinewooddata.com> Message-ID: <6c71013a-63c4-09e2-1cf8-5bd5fef4a58a@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 3/10/2019 11:34 AM, John Simmons wrote: > Once I got my LP100, I began to see the same behavior with my K3. This > type of output anomaly is a huge reason to use ALC. I've had an LP100 in line for several years, always set to read peak power, and the most overshoot I've seen from either of my two K3s is less than 1 dB. The K3s are driving a pair of 87As, and I have NEVER used ALC between rig and amp. The earliest advice I've seen about this was in the user manual for the Ten Tec Titan 425, designed around 1979, and using a pair of the same 3CX8007 triodes used in the 87A. The manual said that ALC output was provided only for historical reasons, and advised against using it to control output power. When you look ONLY at output power, you miss the mess that ALC causes. To see it, you must look at (or listen to) the transmitted frequency spectrum. A P3 on a second radio, or an SDR receiver will clearly reveal the splatter and clicks. 73, Jim K9YC From kd4iz at frawg.org Sun Mar 10 15:22:46 2019 From: kd4iz at frawg.org (kd4iz at frawg.org) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 15:22:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA/KAT500 Mystery Fail - solved Message-ID: <019c01d4d776$a5387380$efa95a80$@frawg.org> Thanks to some (kind advice and well deserved goading) from Mike, K6MKF and Ken, WA2LBI ? I worked out the issue ? unfortunately the fix appears to be a visit to ICOM repair if access to components is as bad as I fear. For the general edification of other ICOM 7XXX owners: Two KEY control lines go from the ICOM 7100 and 7300 rigs to the KPA/KAT500 combo. 1. The ICOM Molex connector KEY line is part of the TUNE/operate trigger function to the KAT500 along with the START line. 2. Pin #3 (HSEND) of the 13 pin DIN connector is the KEY function used by the KPA500 KEY line input. It is a bi-directional line. Normally, HSEND appears to float at about 6 volts. If this line is pulled low by external equipment, the transceiver is keyed. When the transceiver is keyed, the line is pulled low, keying external equipment. Maximum line current 200ma. This is what the 7300 was doing? so all was OK there but... My 7100 showed an HSEND float voltage of 2.3V and did not drop to ground when the rig was keyed ? apparently the keying circuit is smoked. Looks like there is a diode in between the circuitry and the connector (hope-hope). Not sure why this blew because these puppies have been in use with the KPA500 and relatively trouble free for a while from what I understand? probably operator error/shuffle static damage on my part. Glad it wasn?t a KAT/KPA500 issue. Thanks for your patience, KD4IZ Jack Spitznagel FM19oo From: Ken Winterling Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2019 11:33 To: kd4iz at frawg.org Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA/KAT500 Mystery Fail Jack, I assume the two cables you use are the RF coax cable and the PTT keying line, correct? The keying line should connect from the rig, then to the KAT500, and finally the KPA500. This allows the KAT500 to disable the keying for the KPA500 during tuning or high SWR conditions. It is possible that with moving the cables between the two rigs the keying line cable has been damaged. I have seen this before where a cable works fine in one jack but not in another. It is a matter of the cable being in just the right position. If you rotate it slightly it goes OC (Open Circuit). To simplify troubleshooting I would eliminate the KAT500 and plug the keying line directly from the IC-7100 into the KPA500. Put the amp on a dummy load. You said the '7100 doesn't key the KPA500. You can check the KPA500 display for an asterisk (*) on the left side indicating that the amp is receiving a keying signal (contact closure to ground) from the rig ('7100). If you do not see that asterisk (*) then the amp is not being keyed by the rig. Try a different cable to the rig. If that doesn't work then try leaving the keying cable plugged into the amp and unplugging the cable from the rig. Touch to ground the center conductor of the end of the cable you removed from the rig. It should key the amp and show the asterisk (*) in the display. If the amp keys with the cable grounded then it it time to look at the keying jack/circuit of the IC-7100. Let us know what you find. Ken WA2LBI On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 10:28 AM > wrote: All, I have been using the KPA500/KAT500 combo with an IC-7300 and an IC-7100 for around a year now. They are cabled and configured as per the Elecraft device manuals. The cabling is identical for the two transmitters (actually, I use the same 2 cables for both). All has been working properly with both radios until very recently. The amp and the tuner continue to behave properly with the 7300. The KAT500 continues to work perfectly with the 7100, however the KPA500 no longer band switches when I change bands on the 7100 and key up. In addition, the amplifier will not key. The 7100 still can put out full power with the KAT500 in line. I have not changed any setting in any of the 3 devices to my knowledge. It is like the KPA500 has become deaf to the IC-7100. After switching back and forth and looking at all device settings, I am baffled at this point! Is there anything in the way of rig to amplifier line signals that could inhibit band switching by the amplifier but not by the antenna tuner? Thanks for your thoughts. KD4IZ Jack Spitznagel FM19oo From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sun Mar 10 15:25:00 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 14:25:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC control of W6PQL amp from my K3 In-Reply-To: <6c71013a-63c4-09e2-1cf8-5bd5fef4a58a@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <6039c26a-349d-7c46-f118-78080b65fe5c@embarqmail.com> <131470bb-b065-69d1-9aed-597950066ec4@triconet.org> <5C8558BD.4020803@pinewooddata.com> <6c71013a-63c4-09e2-1cf8-5bd5fef4a58a@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: And with my P3 or SDR when one closely examines a signal, the evidence of improper ALC usage or ALC overshoot is very prominent with many signals. The sad thing is that it can be corrected with proper settings and usage. There is no need to occupy 10kHz of the band. And just listening to a signal usually doesn't disclose this nasty artifact. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 10, 2019, at 2:02 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On 3/10/2019 11:34 AM, John Simmons wrote: >> Once I got my LP100, I began to see the same behavior with my K3. This type of output anomaly is a huge reason to use ALC. > > I've had an LP100 in line for several years, always set to read peak power, and the most overshoot I've seen from either of my two K3s is less than 1 dB. The K3s are driving a pair of 87As, and I have NEVER used ALC between rig and amp. > > The earliest advice I've seen about this was in the user manual for the Ten Tec Titan 425, designed around 1979, and using a pair of the same 3CX8007 triodes used in the 87A. The manual said that ALC output was provided only for historical reasons, and advised against using it to control output power. > > When you look ONLY at output power, you miss the mess that ALC causes. To see it, you must look at (or listen to) the transmitted frequency spectrum. A P3 on a second radio, or an SDR receiver will clearly reveal the splatter and clicks. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Mar 10 15:40:01 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 15:40:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC control of W6PQL amp from my K3 In-Reply-To: <6c71013a-63c4-09e2-1cf8-5bd5fef4a58a@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <6039c26a-349d-7c46-f118-78080b65fe5c@embarqmail.com> <131470bb-b065-69d1-9aed-597950066ec4@triconet.org> <5C8558BD.4020803@pinewooddata.com> <6c71013a-63c4-09e2-1cf8-5bd5fef4a58a@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <21d93258-1357-3e3c-103f-ebd48729e8a1@embarqmail.com> I am left wondering if some K3 users who are seeing "Overshoot" are actually seeing what is referred to as "Power Hunting". That would occur mostly in Voice or DATA modes when the audio level is not set high enough. With insufficient audio, the K3 can initially go up to the set power, and then will quickly settle back to a low power, and then gradually climb to the full power set by the power knob - that behavior is seldom seen in CW mode, but can be seen in DATA modes and Voice modes if the audio levels are not set correctly. The cure for that behavior is to drive the audio as indicated in the manual. For voice modes, adjust the MIC Gain to produce 5 to 7 bars on the ALC meter. For DATA modes, adjust the audio levels to produce 4 bars solid with the 5th bar flashing. If your data mode application has a "POWER" slider, it is not properly named (complain to Joe Taylor) - it is just another audio level control. The Elecraft transceivers control power differently than all other amateur transceivers, so ignore the common internet advice to control the power with the audio level. Set the audio as indicated in my website article (same information is in the K3/K3S/KX3/KX2 manual) and adjust the desired power with the POWER knob. Other transceivers may be able to use the audio level to control the output power, but Elecraft transceivers are different, do not "do it that a-way". Look at the article on my website www.w3fpr.com. Scroll down the left column and click to open the document. BTW: The originator of this thread is now on the right track, I have exchanged several email messages with him (and I built his transverters). 73, Don W3FPR On 3/10/2019 3:02 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On 3/10/2019 11:34 AM, John Simmons wrote: >> Once I got my LP100, I began to see the same behavior with my K3. This >> type of output anomaly is a huge reason to use ALC. > > I've had an LP100 in line for several years, always set to read peak > power, and the most overshoot I've seen from either of my two K3s is > less than 1 dB. The K3s are driving a pair of 87As, and I have NEVER > used ALC between rig and amp. > From jasimmons at pinewooddata.com Sun Mar 10 17:03:26 2019 From: jasimmons at pinewooddata.com (John Simmons) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 16:03:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC control of W6PQL amp from my K3 In-Reply-To: <21d93258-1357-3e3c-103f-ebd48729e8a1@embarqmail.com> References: <6039c26a-349d-7c46-f118-78080b65fe5c@embarqmail.com> <131470bb-b065-69d1-9aed-597950066ec4@triconet.org> <5C8558BD.4020803@pinewooddata.com> <6c71013a-63c4-09e2-1cf8-5bd5fef4a58a@audiosystemsgroup.com> <21d93258-1357-3e3c-103f-ebd48729e8a1@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <5C857B9E.6060107@pinewooddata.com> I have seen overshoot in the TUNE mode. -John NI0K > Don Wilhelm > Sunday, March 10, 2019 2:40 PM > I am left wondering if some K3 users who are seeing "Overshoot" are > actually seeing what is referred to as "Power Hunting". > That would occur mostly in Voice or DATA modes when the audio level is > not set high enough. > > With insufficient audio, the K3 can initially go up to the set power, > and then will quickly settle back to a low power, and then gradually > climb to the full power set by the power knob - that behavior is > seldom seen in CW mode, but can be seen in DATA modes and Voice modes > if the audio levels are not set correctly. > > The cure for that behavior is to drive the audio as indicated in the > manual. For voice modes, adjust the MIC Gain to produce 5 to 7 bars > on the ALC meter. > For DATA modes, adjust the audio levels to produce 4 bars solid with > the 5th bar flashing. > > If your data mode application has a "POWER" slider, it is not properly > named (complain to Joe Taylor) - it is just another audio level control. > > The Elecraft transceivers control power differently than all other > amateur transceivers, so ignore the common internet advice to control > the power with the audio level. Set the audio as indicated in my > website article (same information is in the K3/K3S/KX3/KX2 manual) and > adjust the desired power with the POWER knob. > > Other transceivers may be able to use the audio level to control the > output power, but Elecraft transceivers are different, do not "do it > that a-way". > > Look at the article on my website www.w3fpr.com. Scroll down the left > column and click to open the document. > > BTW: The originator of this thread is now on the right track, I have > exchanged several email messages with him (and I built his transverters). > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Jim Brown > Sunday, March 10, 2019 2:02 PM > > > I've had an LP100 in line for several years, always set to read peak > power, and the most overshoot I've seen from either of my two K3s is > less than 1 dB. The K3s are driving a pair of 87As, and I have NEVER > used ALC between rig and amp. > > The earliest advice I've seen about this was in the user manual for > the Ten Tec Titan 425, designed around 1979, and using a pair of the > same 3CX8007 triodes used in the 87A. The manual said that ALC output > was provided only for historical reasons, and advised against using it > to control output power. > > When you look ONLY at output power, you miss the mess that ALC causes. > To see it, you must look at (or listen to) the transmitted frequency > spectrum. A P3 on a second radio, or an SDR receiver will clearly > reveal the splatter and clicks. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > John Simmons > Sunday, March 10, 2019 1:34 PM > Wes, > > Once I got my LP100, I began to see the same behavior with my K3. This > type of output anomaly is a huge reason to use ALC. > > 73, > -John NI0K > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Wes > Sunday, March 10, 2019 9:39 AM > Indeed. Folks who would never think to turn off the AGC in their > receivers get weak-kneed at the thought of AGC (ALC) being used in the > transmit loop. In "Fundamentals of SSB", Collins radio speaks of ALC > (pp.7-10,11) without any negativity, and in fact calls it a form of > speech compression. As in many things, the devil is in the details. > > I suspect most of the Elecraft faithful would also be surprised to > know that their beloved K3s use internal ALC as well as digital power > control. This is not perfect, I've observed overshoot, power slowly > increasing to set level and low level power jitter*. > > * You need a spectrum analyzer to see this and it's unlikely to be > heard on the air, but it's there. > > Wes N7WS > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sun Mar 10 17:16:15 2019 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 14:16:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC control of W6PQL amp from my K3 In-Reply-To: <21d93258-1357-3e3c-103f-ebd48729e8a1@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: What makes Don's excellend advice harder is that there may be as many as 4 audio level controls between the computer and the transmitter. (The one in the program, the OS's control, one on the interface box (SignaLink), and the one on the radio.) My solution is to have all but one, the one in the program, set to constant values, so they can be quickly set. 73 Bill AE6JV On 3/10/19 at 12:40 PM, donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote: >If your data mode application has a "POWER" slider, it is not >properly named (complain to Joe Taylor) - it is just another >audio level control. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | "The only thing we have to | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | fear is fear itself." - FDR | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | Inaugural address, 3/4/1933 | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Mar 10 17:17:52 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 17:17:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC control of W6PQL amp from my K3 In-Reply-To: <5C857B9E.6060107@pinewooddata.com> References: <6039c26a-349d-7c46-f118-78080b65fe5c@embarqmail.com> <131470bb-b065-69d1-9aed-597950066ec4@triconet.org> <5C8558BD.4020803@pinewooddata.com> <6c71013a-63c4-09e2-1cf8-5bd5fef4a58a@audiosystemsgroup.com> <21d93258-1357-3e3c-103f-ebd48729e8a1@embarqmail.com> <5C857B9E.6060107@pinewooddata.com> Message-ID: <0135529c-c4da-711e-c163-114210385205@embarqmail.com> TUNE is a bit different than normal operating.? The power control is not as tight. I am speaking from my K2 experience, but the K3 has about the same power control mechanism 73, Don W3FPR On 3/10/2019 5:03 PM, John Simmons wrote: > I have seen overshoot in the TUNE mode. > > -John NI0K > From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sun Mar 10 17:40:54 2019 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 14:40:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC control of W6PQL amp from my K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <187d699d-594f-db26-5ae9-6686ab33ad34@triconet.org> True to a point.? I would (and did) lose the SignaLink.? I use my Lenovo laptop's internal sound card, even with a K3S. Wes? N7WS On 3/10/2019 2:16 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > What makes Don's excellend advice harder is that there may be as many as 4 > audio level controls between the computer and the transmitter. (The one in the > program, the OS's control, one on the interface box (SignaLink), and the one > on the radio.) > > My solution is to have all but one, the one in the program, set to constant > values, so they can be quickly set. > > 73 Bill AE6JV From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sun Mar 10 17:51:45 2019 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 14:51:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC control of W6PQL amp from my K3 In-Reply-To: <187d699d-594f-db26-5ae9-6686ab33ad34@triconet.org> Message-ID: I lost the SignaLink as well, but I think a lot of readers of this list use one. I currently use the internal "sound card" in my upgraded K3, or a home brew interface based on a $5 sound card from Amazon on my KX3. 73 Bill AE6JV On 3/10/19 at 2:40 PM, wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes) wrote: >True to a point.? I would (and did) lose the SignaLink.? I >use my Lenovo laptop's internal sound card, even with a K3S. > >Wes? N7WS > >On 3/10/2019 2:16 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: >>What makes Don's excellend advice harder is that there may be >>as many as 4 audio level controls between the computer and the >>transmitter. (The one in the program, the OS's control, one on >>the interface box (SignaLink), and the one on the radio.) >> >>My solution is to have all but one, the one in the program, >>set to constant values, so they can be quickly set. >> >>73 Bill AE6JV ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | The first thing you need when | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | using a perimeter defense is a | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | perimeter. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sun Mar 10 17:57:25 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 16:57:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC control of W6PQL amp from my K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I connect the computer to my K3S with one USB cable. That's all that's needed as it handles all of the signals and commands. KISS! Works great. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 10, 2019, at 4:51 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > > I lost the SignaLink as well, but I think a lot of readers of this list use one. > > I currently use the internal "sound card" in my upgraded K3, or a home brew interface based on a $5 sound card from Amazon on my KX3. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > >> On 3/10/19 at 2:40 PM, wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes) wrote: >> >> True to a point. I would (and did) lose the SignaLink. I use my Lenovo laptop's internal sound card, even with a K3S. >> >> Wes N7WS >> >>> On 3/10/2019 2:16 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: >>> What makes Don's excellend advice harder is that there may be as many as 4 audio level controls between the computer and the transmitter. (The one in the program, the OS's control, one on the interface box (SignaLink), and the one on the radio.) >>> >>> My solution is to have all but one, the one in the program, set to constant values, so they can be quickly set. >>> >>> 73 Bill AE6JV > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz | The first thing you need when | Periwinkle > (408)356-8506 | using a perimeter defense is a | 16345 Englewood Ave > www.pwpconsult.com | perimeter. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From robertkhand at hotmail.com Sun Mar 10 18:59:52 2019 From: robertkhand at hotmail.com (Robert Hand) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 22:59:52 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise with amp Message-ID: I?m seeing the same thing with my KPA1500. All bonding is good. It appears on ten meters with about 10-dB and with about 15-dB on six meters. Sent from my iPhone From g_e_lambert at comcast.net Sun Mar 10 19:53:58 2019 From: g_e_lambert at comcast.net (Ed Lambert) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 19:53:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - Low Output Power Message-ID: <003d01d4d79c$87b122f0$971368d0$@comcast.net> My K3s has been in service for several years. Power output has always easily reached roughly 100 watts. Now, with: 1. ATU TUNE bypassed 2. Good 50 ohm dummy load 3. W1 in line with the load 4. SWR 1:1 Next: 1. With the PWR control set to show 100 watts on the LCD 2. Select TUNE 3. W1 shows about 80 watts output 4. K3s LCD PWR display shows roughly 80 watts (both the "analog" display and the numerical display) (depending on band) I just used the K3 Utility to insure my firmware is up to date. It is. And, I used the Utility to calibrate the transmitter gain. This did NOT change the results of my power measurements. I am hoping I am making a bone-headed mistake. Ed KD3Y From Mike.Carter at unh.edu Sun Mar 10 20:24:44 2019 From: Mike.Carter at unh.edu (Mike K8CN) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 17:24:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Spontaneous HI CUR, audio reduction in RX mode - UPDATE In-Reply-To: <593336290.196583.1549540360661@connect.xfinity.com> References: <1549334637962-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1549392410240-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1549424103484-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <97935bbe-6292-117c-6656-605e5ae3c2c9@elecraft.com> <1549511982678-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <593336290.196583.1549540360661@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <1552263884562-0.post@n2.nabble.com> I may have found the cause of the anomalous HI CUR warning in **receive** mode, thanks to my big orange Maine coon cat, Mr. Opie. In rubbing his chin on the VFO B knob while I was listening last night, he rotated the control to the 12V DC bus voltage display, which I then noticed was oscillating between 13.6 V and 12.7 V. When I checked the DC bus current display, it was oscillating between 0.4 A and 2.1 A - clearly something was amiss. Tonight I checked the terminal voltage on my Astron RS20-A linear supply, and found it to be stable at 13.7 V with no load (K3 turned off), but then it dropped to 13.4 V with the K3 'on' in receive mode. I again checked the K3's internal volt/ammeter readings and found the same periodic oscillation in each one. Curious to know if the oscillation was due to an interaction with the supply regulator, I swapped out the RS20-A for my Astron SS-30 SMPS, which I normally use with my K2/100 setup. Lo and behold, the DC bus oscillations ceased! I have not yet spent enough time listening using the alternate power supply to know if the HI CUR warnings will also cease, but will do so over the coming week. Fortunately, I don't have to watch the K3 display because the HI CUR condition also reduces headphone audio substantially, which gets my immediate attention. Kudos to Mr. Opie for his uncanny sense of what might reveal a potential cause of the spontaneous HI CUR warnings in receive mode. 73, Mike, K8CN -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From rcrgs at verizon.net Sun Mar 10 21:59:13 2019 From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 01:59:13 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] sub receiver filter recommendation Message-ID: <192097e0-9a79-5ba7-330c-a315e06b9282@verizon.net> I am migrating my K3 [Ser# 6232] to a K3S with a sub-receiver. In the K3S main receiver I will have the following crystal filters from the K3: 2.8Kc 8-pole Elecraft 1.9kc ?-pole Elecraft 0.5kc 8-pole Inrad 0.2kc 5-pole Elecraft I operate almost exclusively CW in contests and DX chasing. in contests, I anticipate using the sub-receiver in a SO2V arrangement, the main receiver in S&P and the sub- in running. Given this operating arrangement, which single crystal filter in the sub- would be "best?" I understand that personal preferences play a big part in choosing a filter, yet I'm wondering if there's a broad consensus in the filter width that most folks choose, most of the time, in this application. Thanks in advance for any and all opinions and advice. ...robert -- Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY rcrgs at verizon.net.usa Syracuse, New York, USA From davidjw1 at cinci.rr.com Sun Mar 10 22:07:22 2019 From: davidjw1 at cinci.rr.com (David Windisch) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 19:07:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S passes 5 & 50w tests but . . . Message-ID: <1552270042949-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, all concerned: My previously-owned K3S sn 11000+ passes the 5W & 50W tests, but won't output more CW power than: 70W on 160M 80W on 80M 90W on 30M 70W on 15M. The rig goes right to 110W on the remaining bands. I suspect bandpass alignment problems, or forbidden adjustment of caps/pots, and request alternative suspicions and procedural suggestions from the august and puissant group, pls. Brgds, Dave, N3HE ----- Brgds, Dave, N3HE Cincinnati OH -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From wglevy at gmail.com Sun Mar 10 22:58:01 2019 From: wglevy at gmail.com (Bill Levy) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 22:58:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC Message-ID: <7B6FA542-D327-4475-A4EA-D59687A0562A@gmail.com> Never used it on the S Line, never ever on Elecraft. Watch my drive, watch my waveforms, it was invented in the olden days to keep lids from splattering. Just not necessary. Limit your drive. Voice peaks matter. It?s so much easier now I don?t know why it?s still included on radios and amps. Been transmitting for over 50 years. Never told I was overdriving. RFI is a different animal. Don?t confuse the two. 73, Bill N2WL From kevinr at coho.net Sun Mar 10 23:59:16 2019 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 20:59:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report Message-ID: <46273a6c-c7ec-c769-5bd7-14a2e20e536d@coho.net> Good Evening, ?? Twenty meters had a steady, windy sound to it.? QSB was medium slow but signals were weaker than last week.? Forty meters was stronger but the QSB was deeper.? I was told of thunderstorms in California but could not hear any lightning static.? There were a few whistlers and the steady hissing sound. ? On 14049.5 kHz at 2200z: W0CZ - Ken - ND K6XK - Roy - IA K4JPN - Steve - GA K4TO - Dave - KY ? On 7047 kHz at 0000z: K6XK - Roy - IA K6PJV - Dale - CA W6JHB - Jim - CA AE6JV - Bill - CA K0DTJ - Brian - CA W0CZ - Ken - ND March has come in like a glacier.? Hopefully it will end with rain, mud, and a few flowers. 73, ???? Kevin.? KD5ONS - From lists at w2irt.net Mon Mar 11 01:33:01 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 01:33:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 80m KPA1500 High reflected power problems **SOLVED!** Message-ID: <020501d4d7cb$e503ee40$af0bcac0$@w2irt.net> Hi folks, FOUND THE PROBLEM....Maybe?? I have a 30 foot vertical ground-plane style antenna that I use for diversity RX on 40 and 80, which was connected to the AUX antenna port. This was being overloaded by the QRO power from the TX antenna feedpoints just a few feet laterally and 40-50' higher vertically. As soon as I disconnected this antenna the problem went away. NOTE that the problem only occurred on the lower CW portions of both 80 *and 40*, as I found out tonight. In the SSB sections, even on CW transmit, there were no problems. But as I said, disconnecting the diversity AUX antenna solved the High SWR amp fault. So now, the big question, is there some form of filtering within the K3s to disable receive on the AUX line during transmit, or do I have to look into a second "front end protector" device as I have on my K9AY loop connected to the RX IN port. Or perhaps some other valid solution? At least I'm glad I finally have full operation back on 40 and 80! - pjd From lists at w2irt.net Mon Mar 11 02:00:24 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 02:00:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 80m KPA1500 High reflected power problems **SOLVED!** Message-ID: <020d01d4d7cf$b8c7a200$2a56e600$@w2irt.net> Well, there's one final, further item to add to this. I've almost certainly destroyed my sub receiver. It's not completely deaf, but very, very, very close to it. Signals that are in the noise on VFO-B are S9 on VFO-A on the same frequency. Anything I can do to test this out? With Bouvet coming soon (hopefully) I'm really hoping to have a working radio to work this ultra rare one. The risk of another 4 or 5 weeks of down time is very depressing at this stage. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: Peter Dougherty Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 1:33 AM To: 'elecraft at mailman.qth.net' Subject: RE: [Elecraft] 80m KPA1500 High reflected power problems **SOLVED!** Hi folks, FOUND THE PROBLEM....Maybe?? I have a 30 foot vertical ground-plane style antenna that I use for diversity RX on 40 and 80, which was connected to the AUX antenna port. This was being overloaded by the QRO power from the TX antenna feedpoints just a few feet laterally and 40-50' higher vertically. As soon as I disconnected this antenna the problem went away. NOTE that the problem only occurred on the lower CW portions of both 80 *and 40*, as I found out tonight. In the SSB sections, even on CW transmit, there were no problems. But as I said, disconnecting the diversity AUX antenna solved the High SWR amp fault. So now, the big question, is there some form of filtering within the K3s to disable receive on the AUX line during transmit, or do I have to look into a second "front end protector" device as I have on my K9AY loop connected to the RX IN port. Or perhaps some other valid solution? At least I'm glad I finally have full operation back on 40 and 80! - pjd From jim at w5la.net Mon Mar 11 07:43:18 2019 From: jim at w5la.net (Jim Ragsdale) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 06:43:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC In-Reply-To: <7B6FA542-D327-4475-A4EA-D59687A0562A@gmail.com> References: <7B6FA542-D327-4475-A4EA-D59687A0562A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <39a3e042-5bd7-e23f-bf08-a6eed497babc@w5la.net> Does anyone have a built or un-built KSB2 SSB Option for K2 they would sell? Please reply off-reflector to jim at w5la.net. 73, Jim W5LA From jwin1048 at gmail.com Mon Mar 11 09:27:06 2019 From: jwin1048 at gmail.com (John Wingard) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 09:27:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2: Looking for two kits for the K2 Message-ID: I am looking for two kits for the K2...the K6XX zero-beat indicator kit for the K2 and the Rework Eliminators internal mic adapter kit for the K2. If anyone has either of these kits that are excess to their needs, please contact me off list. 73, John WB4GLJ From dave at nk7z.net Mon Mar 11 09:32:59 2019 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 06:32:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SPAN Instability In-Reply-To: <0d911ec6-cee4-ccf6-3581-f6578f5df345@gmail.com> References: <81bc4eb4-1372-80e8-a5bd-d46530b01052@gmail.com> <3d8b7c8c-688e-3ee6-cf36-9ab5a6f056ce@nk7z.net> <889758a1-a337-e473-130c-ee891a05db1f@nk7z.net> <0d911ec6-cee4-ccf6-3581-f6578f5df345@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7147ee14-89aa-fcaf-65bf-8a44cd6b667b@nk7z.net> Thanks for the info sir! 73s and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net Award Manager, 30MDG Grid Awards ARRL Technical Specialist ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL OOC for Oregon On 3/10/19 12:01 PM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: > No, the save/restore restored everything to how it was before. > > > 73, > Victor, 4X6GP > Rehovot, Israel > Formerly K2VCO > CWops no. 5 > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ > On 10 Mar 2019 20:57, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: >> I have been thinking of that.? When you did it, was your P3 revocered >> to the same exact setup as when you saved the config file?? Did you >> have to resetup anything else? >> >> 73s and thanks, >> Dave (NK7Z) >> https://www.nk7z.net >> Award Manager, 30MDG Grid Awards >> ARRL Technical Specialist >> ARRL Volunteer Examiner >> ARRL OOC for Oregon From n3ikq at yahoo.com Mon Mar 11 11:15:02 2019 From: n3ikq at yahoo.com (rick jones) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 15:15:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Temp. Cal. Routine Issue Revisited References: <190223209.2627999.1552317302608.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <190223209.2627999.1552317302608@mail.yahoo.com> So I'm having the same problem as I've read in a few past posts (with no resolution). At Approx. 40DegC I lose the signal in the speaker, the S meter reads no signal, and the F value starts to wildly swing in the 700 range. I'm directing my hot air at the heatsink for what that's worth. I had it increasing at about 1degC per 1-2 minutes as instructed. I can't imagine the procedure is still going ok given those symptoms but maybe it is. Any thoughts? Thanks. From brian.waterworth at gmail.com Mon Mar 11 11:24:52 2019 From: brian.waterworth at gmail.com (Brian Waterworth) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 11:24:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Temp. Cal. Routine Issue Revisited In-Reply-To: <190223209.2627999.1552317302608@mail.yahoo.com> References: <190223209.2627999.1552317302608.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <190223209.2627999.1552317302608@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Rick, I did not have the same results as you have described using a hair dryer. But, I didn't get the results I wanted or expected using a hair dryer based on process documented in the Elecraft manual. If you can find an incandescent light bulb (60w is fine) and try that instead of the hair dryer, I wonder if your results will be different. I had much better results with the light bulb approach than the hair dryer when doing the KX3 temp compensation procedure. regards, Brian VE3IBW On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 11:15 AM rick jones via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > So I'm having the same problem as I've read in a few past posts (with no > resolution). At Approx. 40DegC I lose the signal in the speaker, the S > meter reads no signal, and the F value starts to wildly swing in the 700 > range. I'm directing my hot air at the heatsink for what that's worth. I > had it increasing at about 1degC per 1-2 minutes as instructed. I can't > imagine the procedure is still going ok given those symptoms but maybe it > is. Any thoughts? Thanks. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From pincon at erols.com Mon Mar 11 08:04:47 2019 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 08:04:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Spontaneous HI CUR, audio reduction in RX mode - UPDATE In-Reply-To: <1552263884562-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1549334637962-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1549392410240-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1549424103484-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <97935bbe-6292-117c-6656-605e5ae3c2c9@elecraft.com> <1549511982678-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <593336290.196583.1549540360661@connect.xfinity.com> <1552263884562-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <000e01d4d802$a3692c20$ea3b8460$@erols.com> It would also be very helpful if you can find the cause of the problem inside the RS-20A. There's probably more of those particular supplies and their family than any others. I'm fairly sure they use the old reliable "723" regulator that has been around since it seems, Hertz experimented with sparks. As an old sage used to offer a useful piece of advice....."It's probably a resistor or a capacitor or something". 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Mike K8CN Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2019 8:25 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Spontaneous HI CUR, audio reduction in RX mode - UPDATE I may have found the cause of the anomalous HI CUR warning in **receive** mode, thanks to my big orange Maine coon cat, Mr. Opie. In rubbing his chin on the VFO B knob while I was listening last night, he rotated the control to the 12V DC bus voltage display, which I then noticed was oscillating between 13.6 V and 12.7 V. When I checked the DC bus current display, it was oscillating between 0.4 A and 2.1 A - clearly something was amiss. Tonight I checked the terminal voltage on my Astron RS20-A linear supply, and found it to be stable at 13.7 V with no load (K3 turned off), but then it dropped to 13.4 V with the K3 'on' in receive mode. I again checked the K3's internal volt/ammeter readings and found the same periodic oscillation in each one. Curious to know if the oscillation was due to an interaction with the supply regulator, I swapped out the RS20-A for my Astron SS-30 SMPS, which I normally use with my K2/100 setup. Lo and behold, the DC bus oscillations ceased! I have not yet spent enough time listening using the alternate power supply to know if the HI CUR warnings will also cease, but will do so over the coming week. Fortunately, I don't have to watch the K3 display because the HI CUR condition also reduces headphone audio substantially, which gets my immediate attention. Kudos to Mr. Opie for his uncanny sense of what might reveal a potential cause of the spontaneous HI CUR warnings in receive mode. 73, Mike, K8CN -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From ko5v at earthlink.net Mon Mar 11 13:47:07 2019 From: ko5v at earthlink.net (Jim KO5V) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 13:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] K2: Flaky 160M switching-solved? Message-ID: <1465282075.8180.1552326428164@wamui-cheeto.atl.sa.earthlink.net> As a follow-up, I've either fixed the problem, or it's become a lot more (or less?) intermittent... Twice, I re-touched all of the solder joints involved with the 160M option, both on the 160M board and the K2's RF board - it never helped. Tapping on the 160M board's mounting screw, or the left side panel at the rear 2d connector would cause the band to work. J14 is a tall header that connects the 160M board to the K2. It is made up of two parts, and seems a bit fragile. I replaced it, and so far 160M has not failed again. Also, I had tightened the BNC antenna connector against the heat sink panel. That was apparently flexing the RF board. My guess is that J14 had an internal failure because of that, so I left the BNC loose on the heat sink panel. We'll see if everything continues to function. Again, thanks for the help! 73, Jim KO5V -----Original Message------ >From: Don Wilhelm >Sent: Mar 2, 2019 5:36 PM >To: Jim KO5V , Elecraft List >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2: Flaky 160M switching > >Jim, > >Unplug the K160RX and then plug it back in to wipe any oxidation off the >pins.? That may or may not help, but is one easy thing to do "just in case". > >73, >Don W3FPR From john at kk9a.com Mon Mar 11 13:58:10 2019 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 13:58:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 80m KPA1500 High reflected power problems **SOLVED!** Message-ID: <21d8a10eca3bf63491a7d6ba57ef12b8@kk9a.com> I am not sure how a second antenna effects the amplifier, I believe that the K3(S) has a safeguard from some overload conditions. If your RX antenna is close to your TX and you run HP, I would protect your transceiver from overload by either shorting the RX feedline during TX or with a protector such as this one: https://www.dxengineering.com/parts/dxe-rg-5000 John KK9A PETER DOUGHERTY W2IRT wrote: ------------------------- Hi folks, FOUND THE PROBLEM....Maybe?? I have a 30 foot vertical ground-plane style antenna that I use for diversity RX on 40 and 80, which was connected to the AUX antenna port. This was being overloaded by the QRO power from the TX antenna feedpoints just a few feet laterally and 40-50' higher vertically. As soon as I disconnected this antenna the problem went away. NOTE that the problem only occurred on the lower CW portions of both 80 *and 40*, as I found out tonight. In the SSB sections, even on CW transmit, there were no problems. But as I said, disconnecting the diversity AUX antenna solved the High SWR amp fault. So now, the big question, is there some form of filtering within the K3s to disable receive on the AUX line during transmit, or do I have to look into a second "front end protector" device as I have on my K9AY loop connected to the RX IN port. Or perhaps some other valid solution? At least I'm glad I finally have full operation back on 40 and 80! From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Mar 11 14:17:36 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 11:17:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 80m KPA1500 High reflected power problems **SOLVED!** In-Reply-To: <020501d4d7cb$e503ee40$af0bcac0$@w2irt.net> References: <020501d4d7cb$e503ee40$af0bcac0$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <3eecbb35-849b-2542-df82-89d0332756a4@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 3/10/2019 10:33 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > I have a 30 foot vertical ground-plane style antenna that I use for diversity RX on 40 and 80, which was connected to the AUX antenna port. This was being overloaded by the QRO power from the TX antenna feedpoints just a few feet laterally and 40-50' higher vertically. As soon as I disconnected this antenna the problem went away. Hi Peter, It sounds to me like your station (and maybe your home) is not properly bonded. All of your feedlines SHOULD be bonded to a common ground at lightning arrestors where they enter your shack, all the equipment in your shack SHOULD be bonded together and to all of the grounds in your home including that one, power, telco, CATV, and satellite. If you've done this, disconnecting one of the antennas from your rig should not change anything on the transmit side -- the only change should be overload of the second RX by that antenna. Two good references on grounding and bonding. One is N0AX's recent ARRL book on the topic. The second is the set of slides for talks I've done at Pacificon and Visalia on the topic. http://k9yc.com/GroundingAndAudio.pdf 73, Jim K9YC From alorona at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 11 16:07:54 2019 From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 20:07:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] 1500 W is a lot of power In-Reply-To: <1849666636.15970317.1546899912311@mail.yahoo.com> References: <274D3C98-DEEC-4B71-813E-D117B1C6E2B6@bellsouth.net> <1849666636.15970317.1546899912311@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <262533321.2814578.1552334874350@mail.yahoo.com> About two months ago I posted that amateur radio needs a tutorial, 'What to expect when you get an amplifier'. As we see again and again here even basic things like cables, connectors, grounding, and house wiring that work fine at 100 W may be inadequate for 1500 W. We need guidance to study our stations piece by piece to ensure those pieces can handle these power levels without failing or causing problems. Al? W6LX From rcrgs at verizon.net Mon Mar 11 16:27:17 2019 From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 20:27:17 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] sub receiver filter recommendation In-Reply-To: <192097e0-9a79-5ba7-330c-a315e06b9282@verizon.net> References: <192097e0-9a79-5ba7-330c-a315e06b9282@verizon.net> Message-ID: <35b7f0cf-107b-a709-fa3b-d888cb839206@verizon.net> Thanks to all respondents. To clear up one point... "Migration," as per Elecraft, means to transfer whatever components in a K3 that will work to a K3S. In my case, just filters. I end up with a new K3S and the original K3, ie two radios. I have never operated SO2V in a contest. So, my curiosity is focused on which CW filter in the sub-receiver, if any, works best in the SO2V contest environment. With the K3, I have usually run with the 500cps filter, so I'm guessing there should be no significant difference when operating SO2V. But, I want(ed) to get a feel for this mode from others who have used it in contests. The Elecraft 400cps filter seems to be slightly preferable to the 500cps filter for reasons cited. Diversity is not an option here [limited antennas]. Again thanks. ...robert On 3/11/2019 01:59, Robert G Strickland via Elecraft wrote: > I am migrating my K3 [Ser# 6232] to a K3S with a sub-receiver. In the > K3S main receiver I will have the following crystal filters from the K3: > > 2.8Kc 8-pole Elecraft > 1.9kc ?-pole Elecraft > 0.5kc 8-pole Inrad > 0.2kc 5-pole Elecraft > > I operate almost exclusively CW in contests and DX chasing. in contests, > I anticipate using the sub-receiver in a SO2V arrangement, the main > receiver in S&P and the sub- in running. Given this operating > arrangement, which single crystal filter in the sub- would be "best?" I > understand that personal preferences play a big part in choosing a > filter, yet I'm wondering if there's a broad consensus in the filter > width that most folks choose, most of the time, in this application. > Thanks in advance for any and all opinions and advice. > > ..robert -- Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY rcrgs at verizon.net.usa Syracuse, New York, USA From lists at w2irt.net Mon Mar 11 16:34:21 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:34:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 80m KPA1500 High reflected power problems **SOLVED!** In-Reply-To: <21d8a10eca3bf63491a7d6ba57ef12b8@kk9a.com> References: <21d8a10eca3bf63491a7d6ba57ef12b8@kk9a.com> Message-ID: <02e001d4d849$cf545610$6dfd0230$@w2irt.net> I have that exact front-end protector on the main RX line from the K9AY, but I didn't have it on the AUX antenna. I will now, obviously. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of john at kk9a.com Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 1:58 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 80m KPA1500 High reflected power problems **SOLVED!** I am not sure how a second antenna effects the amplifier, I believe that the K3(S) has a safeguard from some overload conditions. If your RX antenna is close to your TX and you run HP, I would protect your transceiver from overload by either shorting the RX feedline during TX or with a protector such as this one: https://www.dxengineering.com/parts/dxe-rg-5000 John KK9A PETER DOUGHERTY W2IRT wrote: ------------------------- Hi folks, FOUND THE PROBLEM....Maybe?? I have a 30 foot vertical ground-plane style antenna that I use for diversity RX on 40 and 80, which was connected to the AUX antenna port. This was being overloaded by the QRO power from the TX antenna feedpoints just a few feet laterally and 40-50' higher vertically. As soon as I disconnected this antenna the problem went away. NOTE that the problem only occurred on the lower CW portions of both 80 *and 40*, as I found out tonight. In the SSB sections, even on CW transmit, there were no problems. But as I said, disconnecting the diversity AUX antenna solved the High SWR amp fault. So now, the big question, is there some form of filtering within the K3s to disable receive on the AUX line during transmit, or do I have to look into a second "front end protector" device as I have on my K9AY loop connected to the RX IN port. Or perhaps some other valid solution? At least I'm glad I finally have full operation back on 40 and 80! ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From nr4c at widomaker.com Mon Mar 11 16:35:26 2019 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:35:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Spontaneous HI CUR, audio reduction in RX mode - UPDATE In-Reply-To: <000e01d4d802$a3692c20$ea3b8460$@erols.com> References: <1549334637962-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1549392410240-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1549424103484-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <97935bbe-6292-117c-6656-605e5ae3c2c9@elecraft.com> <1549511982678-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <593336290.196583.1549540360661@connect.xfinity.com> <1552263884562-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <000e01d4d802$a3692c20$ea3b8460$@erols.com> Message-ID: If the ?723? doesn?t fix it, call Astron. They don?t have much of a customer service department, but the guy who answers the phone will sell you a replacement ?control board? for $20.00 plus $7.00 shipping. Assuming the diodes and caps are still good. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 11, 2019, at 8:04 AM, Charlie T wrote: > > It would also be very helpful if you can find the cause of the problem > inside the RS-20A. > There's probably more of those particular supplies and their family than any > others. > I'm fairly sure they use the old reliable "723" regulator that has been > around since it seems, Hertz experimented with sparks. > > As an old sage used to offer a useful piece of advice....."It's probably a > resistor or a capacitor or something". > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On > Behalf Of Mike K8CN > Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2019 8:25 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Spontaneous HI CUR, audio reduction in RX mode > - UPDATE > > I may have found the cause of the anomalous HI CUR warning in **receive** > mode, thanks to my big orange Maine coon cat, Mr. Opie. In rubbing his chin > on the VFO B knob while I was listening last night, he rotated the control > to the 12V DC bus voltage display, which I then noticed was oscillating > between 13.6 V and 12.7 V. When I checked the DC bus current display, it > was oscillating between 0.4 A and 2.1 A - clearly something was amiss. > > Tonight I checked the terminal voltage on my Astron RS20-A linear supply, > and found it to be stable at 13.7 V with no load (K3 turned off), but then > it dropped to 13.4 V with the K3 'on' in receive mode. I again checked the > K3's internal volt/ammeter readings and found the same periodic oscillation > in each one. Curious to know if the oscillation was due to an interaction > with the supply regulator, I swapped out the RS20-A for my Astron SS-30 > SMPS, which I normally use with my K2/100 setup. > > Lo and behold, the DC bus oscillations ceased! > > I have not yet spent enough time listening using the alternate power supply > to know if the HI CUR warnings will also cease, but will do so over the > coming week. Fortunately, I don't have to watch the K3 display because the > HI CUR condition also reduces headphone audio substantially, which gets my > immediate attention. > > Kudos to Mr. Opie for his uncanny sense of what might reveal a potential > cause of the spontaneous HI CUR warnings in receive mode. > > 73, > Mike, K8CN > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From rcrgs at verizon.net Mon Mar 11 16:36:55 2019 From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 20:36:55 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] 1500 W is a lot of power In-Reply-To: <262533321.2814578.1552334874350@mail.yahoo.com> References: <274D3C98-DEEC-4B71-813E-D117B1C6E2B6@bellsouth.net> <1849666636.15970317.1546899912311@mail.yahoo.com> <262533321.2814578.1552334874350@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7caa3322-1191-9054-9828-ea9d9acbfd4a@verizon.net> There's also the traditional maxim: Get an amp, meet the neighbors. ...robert On 3/11/2019 20:07, Al Lorona wrote: > About two months ago I posted that amateur radio needs a tutorial, 'What to expect when you get an amplifier'. As we see again and again here even basic things like cables, connectors, grounding, and house wiring that work fine at 100 W may be inadequate for 1500 W. We need guidance to study our stations piece by piece to ensure those pieces can handle these power levels without failing or causing problems. > > Al W6LX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY rcrgs at verizon.net.usa Syracuse, New York, USA From lists at w2irt.net Mon Mar 11 16:40:13 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:40:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 80m KPA1500 High reflected power problems **SOLVED!** In-Reply-To: <3eecbb35-849b-2542-df82-89d0332756a4@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <020501d4d7cb$e503ee40$af0bcac0$@w2irt.net> <3eecbb35-849b-2542-df82-89d0332756a4@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <02e201d4d84a$a1827d10$e4877730$@w2irt.net> I've got my bonding about as good as I can get it for the moment, although I'm probably going to do some improvements this year. The lightning arrestors are built in to the RCS-12 antenna switchbox (RCS-12L with the gas discharge tubes), and everything's bonded at the base of the tower. There's a single feedline coming inside from that tower-mounted switchbox. Each piece of radio gear and the computer inside is bonded by 1" braid going to a copper bus. LAN and voice line comms are not, however the connection from the pole is fiber, not copper so that's not likely a problem. The copper bus inside is bonded to a ground rod outside the shack, which in turn is bonded to the tower ground system. The deficiency is that the copper bus is not grounded to the same point as the tower, since the tower is about 50 feet away from the shack. I guess I could run a 50 or 60' run of 2" strapping from the desk, through the floor, across the crawlspace, and out the conduit to the tower, but I suspect that might be more a hindrance than a help, quite honestly. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 2:18 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 80m KPA1500 High reflected power problems **SOLVED!** On 3/10/2019 10:33 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > I have a 30 foot vertical ground-plane style antenna that I use for diversity RX on 40 and 80, which was connected to the AUX antenna port. This was being overloaded by the QRO power from the TX antenna feedpoints just a few feet laterally and 40-50' higher vertically. As soon as I disconnected this antenna the problem went away. Hi Peter, It sounds to me like your station (and maybe your home) is not properly bonded. All of your feedlines SHOULD be bonded to a common ground at lightning arrestors where they enter your shack, all the equipment in your shack SHOULD be bonded together and to all of the grounds in your home including that one, power, telco, CATV, and satellite. If you've done this, disconnecting one of the antennas from your rig should not change anything on the transmit side -- the only change should be overload of the second RX by that antenna. Two good references on grounding and bonding. One is N0AX's recent ARRL book on the topic. The second is the set of slides for talks I've done at Pacificon and Visalia on the topic. http://k9yc.com/GroundingAndAudio.pdf 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From w4kx at mac.com Mon Mar 11 17:10:43 2019 From: w4kx at mac.com (Tom Doligalski) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 17:10:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 1500 W is a lot of power In-Reply-To: <262533321.2814578.1552334874350@mail.yahoo.com> References: <274D3C98-DEEC-4B71-813E-D117B1C6E2B6@bellsouth.net> <1849666636.15970317.1546899912311@mail.yahoo.com> <262533321.2814578.1552334874350@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <89683C9D-F487-4428-BE2D-0A79FECFD222@mac.com> Anyone who writes one should include a note about replacing older GFCI breakers (ARRL website is quite helpful). Tom W4KX Sent from my iPad > On Mar 11, 2019, at 4:07 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > > About two months ago I posted that amateur radio needs a tutorial, 'What to expect when you get an amplifier'. As we see again and again here even basic things like cables, connectors, grounding, and house wiring that work fine at 100 W may be inadequate for 1500 W. We need guidance to study our stations piece by piece to ensure those pieces can handle these power levels without failing or causing problems. > > Al W6LX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From rmcgraw at blomand.net Mon Mar 11 17:19:49 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:19:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 1500 W is a lot of power In-Reply-To: <262533321.2814578.1552334874350@mail.yahoo.com> References: <274D3C98-DEEC-4B71-813E-D117B1C6E2B6@bellsouth.net> <1849666636.15970317.1546899912311@mail.yahoo.com> <262533321.2814578.1552334874350@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8f80cdb5-85ce-5542-a5b3-d0ce970b05c9@blomand.net> Three things: (a) ARRL Handbook - contains everything you need to know and then some. (b) ARRL Antenna book -? contains everything you need to know and then some. (c) Grounding and Bonding,? by Ward Silver, an ARRL Publication - MANDATORY reading. And of course one must visit the contents of these books frequently along with each manual that came with the product. RTFM 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/11/2019 3:07 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > About two months ago I posted that amateur radio needs a tutorial, 'What to expect when you get an amplifier'. As we see again and again here even basic things like cables, connectors, grounding, and house wiring that work fine at 100 W may be inadequate for 1500 W. We need guidance to study our stations piece by piece to ensure those pieces can handle these power levels without failing or causing problems. > > Al? W6LX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From k7voradio at gmail.com Mon Mar 11 17:32:52 2019 From: k7voradio at gmail.com (Robert Sands) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 14:32:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 1500 W is a lot of power In-Reply-To: <8f80cdb5-85ce-5542-a5b3-d0ce970b05c9@blomand.net> References: <274D3C98-DEEC-4B71-813E-D117B1C6E2B6@bellsouth.net> <1849666636.15970317.1546899912311@mail.yahoo.com> <262533321.2814578.1552334874350@mail.yahoo.com> <8f80cdb5-85ce-5542-a5b3-d0ce970b05c9@blomand.net> Message-ID: my garage door opens with only 500 watts. fun reminder about RF capture. On Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 2:20 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > Three things: > > (a) ARRL Handbook - contains everything you need to know and then some. > > (b) ARRL Antenna book - contains everything you need to know and then > some. > > (c) Grounding and Bonding, by Ward Silver, an ARRL Publication - > MANDATORY reading. > > And of course one must visit the contents of these books frequently > along with each manual that came with the product. RTFM > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > > On 3/11/2019 3:07 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > > About two months ago I posted that amateur radio needs a tutorial, 'What > to expect when you get an amplifier'. As we see again and again here even > basic things like cables, connectors, grounding, and house wiring that work > fine at 100 W may be inadequate for 1500 W. We need guidance to study our > stations piece by piece to ensure those pieces can handle these power > levels without failing or causing problems. > > > > Al W6LX > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Mar 11 18:06:14 2019 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 15:06:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 1500 W is a lot of power In-Reply-To: <8f80cdb5-85ce-5542-a5b3-d0ce970b05c9@blomand.net> References: <274D3C98-DEEC-4B71-813E-D117B1C6E2B6@bellsouth.net> <1849666636.15970317.1546899912311@mail.yahoo.com> <262533321.2814578.1552334874350@mail.yahoo.com> <8f80cdb5-85ce-5542-a5b3-d0ce970b05c9@blomand.net> Message-ID: The Internet, HTML, Email, and Google have made finding answers much easier.? Unfortunately, for every increment of increase in use of these sources, there has been a corresponding decrease in trips to the bookshelf.? There has also been a corresponding decrease in the ICFTO Coefficient ["I Can Figure This Out"] and some posts for help are beginning to approximate, "My KPA500 quit.? What's wrong?" A side benefit of the books, at least for me, is that I inevitably run across something I didn't know while researching what I walked to the bookshelf for in the first place. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 3/11/2019 2:19 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > Three things: > > (a) ARRL Handbook - contains everything you need to know and then some. > > (b) ARRL Antenna book -? contains everything you need to know and then > some. > > (c) Grounding and Bonding,? by Ward Silver, an ARRL Publication - > MANDATORY reading. > > And of course one must visit the contents of these books frequently > along with each manual that came with the product. RTFM > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Mar 11 18:13:57 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 15:13:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 80m KPA1500 High reflected power problems **SOLVED!** In-Reply-To: <02e201d4d84a$a1827d10$e4877730$@w2irt.net> References: <020501d4d7cb$e503ee40$af0bcac0$@w2irt.net> <3eecbb35-849b-2542-df82-89d0332756a4@audiosystemsgroup.com> <02e201d4d84a$a1827d10$e4877730$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <60f2b9b2-4ada-895f-75fd-22a45e0a4666@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 3/11/2019 1:40 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > I've got my bonding about as good as I can get it for the moment, although > I'm probably going to do some improvements this year. The lightning > arrestors are built in to the RCS-12 antenna switchbox (RCS-12L with the gas > discharge tubes), and everything's bonded at the base of the tower. The function of GDTs is to offer some protection of equipment in the event of a strike. To do that, they must be close to the equipment, not at the tower. Lightning can induce a lot of current on the coax between the tower and the shack. I suggest that you add arrestors (including that vertical you use for RX) where all of your coax enters the shack, bond them to your rod(s), and to the shack bonding.? That's probably the missing bonding that I suspected! Also, what about bonding to the power entry panel? > There's > a single feedline coming inside from that tower-mounted switchbox. Each > piece of radio gear and the computer inside is bonded by 1" braid going to a > copper bus. LAN and voice line comms are not, however the connection from > the pole is fiber, not copper so that's not likely a problem. Agreed. > The copper bus > inside is bonded to a ground rod outside the shack, which in turn is bonded > to the tower ground system. > > The deficiency is that the copper bus is not grounded to the same point as > the tower, since the tower is about 50 feet away from the shack. This distance is borderline for bonding to the house. > I guess I > could run a 50 or 60' run of 2" strapping from the desk, through the floor, > across the crawlspace, and out the conduit to the tower, but I suspect that > might be more a hindrance than a help, quite honestly. Agreed. My shack is in what used to be a "mother-in-law" apartment of a detached garage. I have a rod where power enters that building (fed from the house), a half-perimeter #6 running around the building to the shack, where there are five driven rods, all exposed to rainfall, and three rods along that perimeter ground. The coax entry panels (added a second one when the first filled up) on the wall of the shack are bonded down to the rods and up to the ground bus for the equipment. They're also bonded to steel conduit that runs back to the entry panel. 73, Jim K9YC From c-hawley at illinois.edu Mon Mar 11 18:38:48 2019 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 22:38:48 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] 1500 W is a lot of power In-Reply-To: References: <274D3C98-DEEC-4B71-813E-D117B1C6E2B6@bellsouth.net> <1849666636.15970317.1546899912311@mail.yahoo.com> <262533321.2814578.1552334874350@mail.yahoo.com> <8f80cdb5-85ce-5542-a5b3-d0ce970b05c9@blomand.net>, Message-ID: Put a ceramic .1 uF across the connector on the door opener where the wire to the button by the kitchen door comes from. Chuck Hawley c-hawley at illinois.edu Amateur Radio, KE9UW aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles ________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of Robert Sands Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 4:32 PM To: Bob McGraw K4TAX Cc: Elecraft Discussion List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 1500 W is a lot of power my garage door opens with only 500 watts. fun reminder about RF capture. On Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 2:20 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > Three things: > > (a) ARRL Handbook - contains everything you need to know and then some. > > (b) ARRL Antenna book - contains everything you need to know and then > some. > > (c) Grounding and Bonding, by Ward Silver, an ARRL Publication - > MANDATORY reading. > > And of course one must visit the contents of these books frequently > along with each manual that came with the product. RTFM > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > > On 3/11/2019 3:07 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > > About two months ago I posted that amateur radio needs a tutorial, 'What > to expect when you get an amplifier'. As we see again and again here even > basic things like cables, connectors, grounding, and house wiring that work > fine at 100 W may be inadequate for 1500 W. We need guidance to study our > stations piece by piece to ensure those pieces can handle these power > levels without failing or causing problems. > > > > Al W6LX > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From riese-k3djc at juno.com Mon Mar 11 19:14:22 2019 From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 19:14:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 1500 W is a lot of power Message-ID: that would be the ARRL handbook,,, it was for me Bob K3DJC On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 20:07:54 +0000 (UTC) Al Lorona writes: > About two months ago I posted that amateur radio needs a tutorial, > 'What to expect when you get an amplifier'. As we see again and > again here even basic things like cables, connectors, grounding, and > house wiring that work fine at 100 W may be inadequate for 1500 W. > We need guidance to study our stations piece by piece to ensure > those pieces can handle these power levels without failing or > causing problems. > > Al W6LX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From b.denley at comcast.net Mon Mar 11 19:33:09 2019 From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 19:33:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] ELECRAFT K2. Installing KBT2 with KIO2 in place Message-ID: <47B18407-5C5A-47FD-8C03-B808939F69CA@comcast.net> Is the KBT2 going to fit ok with the KIO2 in the cover as well? It seems like the battery is pinching the KIO2 coax cable pretty well. Anyone else have both? Thanks Brian KB1VBF Sent from my iPad From k3bh at arrl.net Mon Mar 11 19:54:00 2019 From: k3bh at arrl.net (Jay Rutherford) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 19:54:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] ELECRAFT K2. Installing KBT2 with KIO2 in place In-Reply-To: <47B18407-5C5A-47FD-8C03-B808939F69CA@comcast.net> References: <47B18407-5C5A-47FD-8C03-B808939F69CA@comcast.net> Message-ID: I have both in my K2 with no problem. Well, I did until I removed the battery and its holder; too heavy and too old technology. I also have a digital card I got from Pauli, EA3BLQ (SK) that fits in as well. The KIO2 hangs on its plug, but stays in place. 73 Jay K3BH On Mon, Mar 11, 2019, at 19:33, Brian Denley wrote: > Is the KBT2 going to fit ok with the KIO2 in the cover as well? It > seems like the battery is pinching the KIO2 coax cable pretty well. > > Anyone else have both? > > Thanks > > Brian > KB1VBF > Sent from my iPad > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From don at w3fpr.com Mon Mar 11 19:56:31 2019 From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 19:56:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] ELECRAFT K2. Installing KBT2 with KIO2 in place In-Reply-To: <47B18407-5C5A-47FD-8C03-B808939F69CA@comcast.net> References: <47B18407-5C5A-47FD-8C03-B808939F69CA@comcast.net> Message-ID: <603ad12d-7c57-2c55-b7fd-47b6cfd4fc06@w3fpr.com> Brian, I have both in my K2. Ty-wrap the battery wires and the KIO2 cable together, but do not put any ty-wraps at the ends of the battery. I also have the KAT2. In a similar manner, ty-wrap the speaker wiring to the KAT2 cable, but not at the ends of the battery. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/11/2019 7:33 PM, Brian Denley wrote: > Is the KBT2 going to fit ok with the KIO2 in the cover as well? It seems like the battery is pinching the KIO2 coax cable pretty well. > From wglevy at gmail.com Mon Mar 11 20:40:43 2019 From: wglevy at gmail.com (William Levy) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 20:40:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Working Split with a Sub RX Message-ID: I have always thought the K3 did it backwards. Before the K3 I had a transceiver and a seperate RX above it. The Receiver listened to the DX station and the Transceiver would tune to find who was working him at the moment. Then the pounce! So with the K3 I don't use the SPLIT button. I use the Sub on the DX station and I lock it and then I use the transceiver knob to find the guys working split. If you have a P3 attached you can see it and the P3 will put you there instantaneously. I think that's a better way to work split. Would love to hear from those that agree or disagree. Sincerely Bill N2WL From rocketnj at gmail.com Mon Mar 11 20:51:51 2019 From: rocketnj at gmail.com (Dave) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 20:51:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 80m KPA1500 High reflected power problems **SOLVED!** In-Reply-To: <60f2b9b2-4ada-895f-75fd-22a45e0a4666@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <020501d4d7cb$e503ee40$af0bcac0$@w2irt.net> <3eecbb35-849b-2542-df82-89d0332756a4@audiosystemsgroup.com> <02e201d4d84a$a1827d10$e4877730$@w2irt.net> <60f2b9b2-4ada-895f-75fd-22a45e0a4666@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <67E90773-976D-4054-90E1-555A2562CD38@gmail.com> Pete, I had a similar problemon lower end of 80 meters. Fix for me was to ground outer jacket of all antenna cables where they enter the house. This eliminated common mode current coming into the shack on a second coax. Check your RX antenna cable, which does not go through the RCS-12. Dave wo2x Sent from my iPad > On Mar 11, 2019, at 6:13 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On 3/11/2019 1:40 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: >> I've got my bonding about as good as I can get it for the moment, although >> I'm probably going to do some improvements this year. The lightning >> arrestors are built in to the RCS-12 antenna switchbox (RCS-12L with the gas >> discharge tubes), and everything's bonded at the base of the tower. > The function of GDTs is to offer some protection of equipment in the event of a strike. To do that, they must be close to the equipment, not at the tower. Lightning can induce a lot of current on the coax between the tower and the shack. I suggest that you add arrestors (including that vertical you use for RX) where all of your coax enters the shack, bond them to your rod(s), and to the shack bonding. That's probably the missing bonding that I suspected! Also, what about bonding to the power entry panel? >> There's >> a single feedline coming inside from that tower-mounted switchbox. Each >> piece of radio gear and the computer inside is bonded by 1" braid going to a >> copper bus. LAN and voice line comms are not, however the connection from >> the pole is fiber, not copper so that's not likely a problem. > Agreed. >> The copper bus >> inside is bonded to a ground rod outside the shack, which in turn is bonded >> to the tower ground system. >> >> The deficiency is that the copper bus is not grounded to the same point as >> the tower, since the tower is about 50 feet away from the shack. > This distance is borderline for bonding to the house. >> I guess I >> could run a 50 or 60' run of 2" strapping from the desk, through the floor, >> across the crawlspace, and out the conduit to the tower, but I suspect that >> might be more a hindrance than a help, quite honestly. > > Agreed. > > My shack is in what used to be a "mother-in-law" apartment of a detached garage. I have a rod where power enters that building (fed from the house), a half-perimeter #6 running around the building to the shack, where there are five driven rods, all exposed to rainfall, and three rods along that perimeter ground. The coax entry panels (added a second one when the first filled up) on the wall of the shack are bonded down to the rods and up to the ground bus for the equipment. They're also bonded to steel conduit that runs back to the entry panel. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From htodd at twofifty.com Mon Mar 11 20:55:56 2019 From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 17:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 - FAULT:LPF VMON Message-ID: What does this mean? Other than that I can't transmit on FT8 right now? :) I'm running KPA1500 MCU revision 02.09. -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com K7EMI BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee From b.denley at comcast.net Mon Mar 11 21:00:26 2019 From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 21:00:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] ELECRAFT K2. Installing KBT2 with KIO2 in place In-Reply-To: <47B18407-5C5A-47FD-8C03-B808939F69CA@comcast.net> References: <47B18407-5C5A-47FD-8C03-B808939F69CA@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4F26CD7E-A396-42DF-84B7-4C66A3DB5AE9@comcast.net> I should also mention that the KAT2 is in the cover as well. Brian KB1VBF Sent from my iPad > On Mar 11, 2019, at 7:33 PM, Brian Denley wrote: > > Is the KBT2 going to fit ok with the KIO2 in the cover as well? It seems like the battery is pinching the KIO2 coax cable pretty well. > > Anyone else have both? > > Thanks > > Brian > KB1VBF > Sent from my iPad From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Mar 11 21:08:51 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 21:08:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] ELECRAFT K2. Installing KBT2 with KIO2 in place In-Reply-To: <4F26CD7E-A396-42DF-84B7-4C66A3DB5AE9@comcast.net> References: <47B18407-5C5A-47FD-8C03-B808939F69CA@comcast.net> <4F26CD7E-A396-42DF-84B7-4C66A3DB5AE9@comcast.net> Message-ID: Brian, No problem with the KAT2 installed. Ty-wrap the speaker cable to the KAT2 cable, but do not put any ty-wraps at the end of the battery. If the speaker wire has ty-wraps that fall at the end of the battery, cut them off. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/11/2019 9:00 PM, Brian Denley wrote: > I should also mention that the KAT2 is in the cover as well. > > Brian > KB1VBF > Sent from my iPad > >> On Mar 11, 2019, at 7:33 PM, Brian Denley wrote: >> >> Is the KBT2 going to fit ok with the KIO2 in the cover as well? It seems like the battery is pinching the KIO2 coax cable pretty well. >> From eric at elecraft.com Mon Mar 11 21:21:43 2019 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 18:21:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 - FAULT:LPF VMON In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Hisashi, This usually means there is a fault with one of the control voltages in the amplifier. I will follow up with you off list via direct email about diagnosing this further. 73, Eric elecraft.com _..._ > On Mar 11, 2019, at 5:55 PM, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote: > > What does this mean? > > Other than that I can't transmit on FT8 right now? :) > > I'm running KPA1500 MCU revision 02.09. > > -- > Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com K7EMI > BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From rmcgraw at blomand.net Mon Mar 11 21:59:51 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 20:59:51 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 - FAULT:LPF VMON In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5910e1a3-3567-fa0c-a815-64ba63e1902f@blomand.net> According to the fault table, LPF VMON is? "incorrect bias voltages at the TR switch". I suggest you call or e-mail Elecraft Support with your concerns. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/11/2019 7:55 PM, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote: > What does this mean? > > Other than that I can't transmit on FT8 right now? :) > > I'm running KPA1500 MCU revision 02.09. > From lists at w2irt.net Mon Mar 11 22:39:07 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 22:39:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 80m KPA1500 High reflected power problems **SOLVED!** In-Reply-To: <67E90773-976D-4054-90E1-555A2562CD38@gmail.com> References: <020501d4d7cb$e503ee40$af0bcac0$@w2irt.net> <3eecbb35-849b-2542-df82-89d0332756a4@audiosystemsgroup.com> <02e201d4d84a$a1827d10$e4877730$@w2irt.net> <60f2b9b2-4ada-895f-75fd-22a45e0a4666@audiosystemsgroup.com> <67E90773-976D-4054-90E1-555A2562CD38@gmail.com> Message-ID: <03fe01d4d87c$c473ba50$4d5b2ef0$@w2irt.net> This summer I intend to get an entry panel from KF7P, along with a ton of arrestors inside for everything. The real difficult part will be getting all the cables that now enter the house at base of the tower and across the crawl space to instead run under the deck. I'm to tall, too fat, and too creaky to slither under there over rocks and gravel to run a half-dozen or more cables. I should consider hiring someone to attach some 4" conduit with sweeps under there. It would make the problem go away quickly. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 8:52 PM Cc: Reflector Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 80m KPA1500 High reflected power problems **SOLVED!** Pete, I had a similar problemon lower end of 80 meters. Fix for me was to ground outer jacket of all antenna cables where they enter the house. This eliminated common mode current coming into the shack on a second coax. Check your RX antenna cable, which does not go through the RCS-12. Dave wo2x Sent from my iPad > On Mar 11, 2019, at 6:13 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On 3/11/2019 1:40 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: >> I've got my bonding about as good as I can get it for the moment, >> although I'm probably going to do some improvements this year. The >> lightning arrestors are built in to the RCS-12 antenna switchbox >> (RCS-12L with the gas discharge tubes), and everything's bonded at the base of the tower. > The function of GDTs is to offer some protection of equipment in the event of a strike. To do that, they must be close to the equipment, not at the tower. Lightning can induce a lot of current on the coax between the tower and the shack. I suggest that you add arrestors (including that vertical you use for RX) where all of your coax enters the shack, bond them to your rod(s), and to the shack bonding. That's probably the missing bonding that I suspected! Also, what about bonding to the power entry panel? >> There's >> a single feedline coming inside from that tower-mounted switchbox. >> Each piece of radio gear and the computer inside is bonded by 1" >> braid going to a copper bus. LAN and voice line comms are not, >> however the connection from the pole is fiber, not copper so that's not likely a problem. > Agreed. >> The copper bus >> inside is bonded to a ground rod outside the shack, which in turn is >> bonded to the tower ground system. >> >> The deficiency is that the copper bus is not grounded to the same >> point as the tower, since the tower is about 50 feet away from the shack. > This distance is borderline for bonding to the house. >> I guess I >> could run a 50 or 60' run of 2" strapping from the desk, through the >> floor, across the crawlspace, and out the conduit to the tower, but I >> suspect that might be more a hindrance than a help, quite honestly. > > Agreed. > > My shack is in what used to be a "mother-in-law" apartment of a detached garage. I have a rod where power enters that building (fed from the house), a half-perimeter #6 running around the building to the shack, where there are five driven rods, all exposed to rainfall, and three rods along that perimeter ground. The coax entry panels (added a second one when the first filled up) on the wall of the shack are bonded down to the rods and up to the ground bus for the equipment. They're also bonded to steel conduit that runs back to the entry panel. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From lists at w2irt.net Mon Mar 11 22:49:49 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 22:49:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 tuner questions Message-ID: <040801d4d87e$430161f0$c90425d0$@w2irt.net> I have a couple of questions about the KPA1500's internal tuner. For the most part, I leave the tuner inline. Except for two sub-bands (SSB on both 40 and 80m) I am well below 2:1, and maybe 2.5:1 at the top end of 160m. The KPA does a good job throughout. The problems/questions arise when I need to transition between the KPA's internal tuner on the bottom ends of both 40 and 80, and the external Palstar HF-Auto tuner, which I need to wrangle very high SWRs on the phone portions of those bands. Obviously I don't want both automatic tuners inline at the same time. The situation is most acute on 40. The HF-Auto (external automatic tuner) is bypassed everywhere except the range of 3650 to 4000, and 7100 to 7300. I would like to automatically have the KPA1500's tuner go into bypass at the above ranges, just as the Palstar auto-tuner bypasses outside of those ranges. Is this somehow possible, or must I manually switch the tuner in and out when I cross the appropriate thresholds? Second question, and I think this relates to the whole "bins" thing, which I don't understand, relates to having different tuning solutions on the same band segment. This could be handy for me on 80m. Unlike on 40, for 80 I have an inverted vee, and it's easy for me to drop the ends and change the length of the antenna, so that instead of being resonant at 3550 I could make it 3700. I did this for the ARRL-SSB contest and it worked pretty well. Is it possible to have two different sets of memorized tuning solutions in the KPA-1500, in the event I have the vee set for CW (normal) or SSB (for phone contests only)? --------------------------------------------- 73 and Good DX Peter, W2IRT President, North Jersey DX Association DXCC Card Checker Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau From nu4i at cox.net Mon Mar 11 22:54:29 2019 From: nu4i at cox.net (Ken) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 22:54:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Working Split with a Sub RX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <391D35C0-6DBB-4243-BF18-A945702AA12A@cox.net> Exactly what I have been doing for many years now and can?t see why I would do it any other way. I switched my audio to my headphones to B-A instead of A-B to keep the DX station in my left ear and finding where the last station who worked him was located with my right ear. Ken, NU4I Sent from my iPod > On Mar 11, 2019, at 20:40, William Levy wrote: > > I have always thought the K3 did it backwards. > Before the K3 I had a transceiver and a seperate RX above it. > The Receiver listened to the DX station and the Transceiver would tune to > find who was working him at the moment. Then the pounce! > So with the K3 I don't use the SPLIT button. I use the Sub on the DX > station and I lock it and then I use the transceiver knob to find the guys > working split. If you have a P3 attached you can see it and the P3 will put > you there instantaneously. > > I think that's a better way to work split. Would love to hear from those > that agree or disagree. > > Sincerely Bill N2WL > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From lists at w2irt.net Tue Mar 12 01:07:56 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 01:07:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Working Split with a Sub RX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <044f01d4d891$8e9da2a0$abd8e7e0$@w2irt.net> I've tried it both ways personally, and I guess through 18 years of hardcore DXing I got used to the DX on VFO-A and the pileup on VFO-B. But the argument could certainly be made for the opposite way. I'd wager that's how Dxpeditions operate, transmitting on VFO-B and scanning the pileup on VFO-A. The Left-Mix-Right menu option is great, since it allows you to easily do whichever mode seems right for your style of operating. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of William Levy Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 8:41 PM To: Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] Working Split with a Sub RX I have always thought the K3 did it backwards. Before the K3 I had a transceiver and a seperate RX above it. The Receiver listened to the DX station and the Transceiver would tune to find who was working him at the moment. Then the pounce! So with the K3 I don't use the SPLIT button. I use the Sub on the DX station and I lock it and then I use the transceiver knob to find the guys working split. If you have a P3 attached you can see it and the P3 will put you there instantaneously. I think that's a better way to work split. Would love to hear from those that agree or disagree. Sincerely Bill N2WL ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From daniel.l.pawlak at perspecta.com Tue Mar 12 10:08:18 2019 From: daniel.l.pawlak at perspecta.com (Pawlak, Daniel L) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 14:08:18 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [EXTERNAL] Re: ELECRAFT K2. Installing KBT2 with KIO2 in place In-Reply-To: References: <47B18407-5C5A-47FD-8C03-B808939F69CA@comcast.net> <4F26CD7E-A396-42DF-84B7-4C66A3DB5AE9@comcast.net> Message-ID: <663A19477829554089F5D347060978AF689C11AB@DC7SWEXP003.corp.adroot.internal> I just built the KIO2 and installed it with my KBT2 and KAT2 already in place. It was a tight fit, but did not restrict the module or the cable. Keeping it neat using cable ties is essential when you re-install the top cover so that they do not get pinched or lay on top of the RF board. The problem I did have was the cable from the KIO2 meeting at the AUX board. The KIO2 cable was too long and stiff which resulted in it trying to twist the board off the control board. Forming the KIO2 cable into an S-shape helped reduce some of the twisting. -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 9:09 PM To: Brian Denley ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Elecraft] ELECRAFT K2. Installing KBT2 with KIO2 in place Brian, No problem with the KAT2 installed. Ty-wrap the speaker cable to the KAT2 cable, but do not put any ty-wraps at the end of the battery. If the speaker wire has ty-wraps that fall at the end of the battery, cut them off. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/11/2019 9:00 PM, Brian Denley wrote: > I should also mention that the KAT2 is in the cover as well. > > Brian > KB1VBF > Sent from my iPad > >> On Mar 11, 2019, at 7:33 PM, Brian Denley wrote: >> >> Is the KBT2 going to fit ok with the KIO2 in the cover as well? It seems like the battery is pinching the KIO2 coax cable pretty well. >> ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman.qth.net_mailman_listinfo_elecraft&d=DwICAg&c=YC-d702opsuYKpiO2Bmlzg&r=kP1njbluGgLcMdyEofM_F-lOGeRxHPEzfZ061VLXuAc&m=m1-y2wL97Lh_G3W8j9ubuPpt6LEiFwJq68miCSC1Avk&s=Qx3kzzrxQZk-wRv8huwuwUJfXGlFqSEO_xuXJIsfqtU&e= Help: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman.qth.net_mmfaq.htm&d=DwICAg&c=YC-d702opsuYKpiO2Bmlzg&r=kP1njbluGgLcMdyEofM_F-lOGeRxHPEzfZ061VLXuAc&m=m1-y2wL97Lh_G3W8j9ubuPpt6LEiFwJq68miCSC1Avk&s=ku3Kk3m-WgB6ypB2UZu3szZLk681ZVIZdHaQZqHAM4k&e= Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.qsl.net&d=DwICAg&c=YC-d702opsuYKpiO2Bmlzg&r=kP1njbluGgLcMdyEofM_F-lOGeRxHPEzfZ061VLXuAc&m=m1-y2wL97Lh_G3W8j9ubuPpt6LEiFwJq68miCSC1Avk&s=QDpYXG6HQpSUpGd3jNzNUUJkSvh5qN-OpJWwlp1Vclo&e= Please help support this email list: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.qsl.net_donate.html&d=DwICAg&c=YC-d702opsuYKpiO2Bmlzg&r=kP1njbluGgLcMdyEofM_F-lOGeRxHPEzfZ061VLXuAc&m=m1-y2wL97Lh_G3W8j9ubuPpt6LEiFwJq68miCSC1Avk&s=YSOCtXbL1HJtc5sOsp0PGevVXrx8nFWrDdo-1cuS_RY&e= From hlyingst at yahoo.com Tue Mar 12 10:50:34 2019 From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 14:50:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [EXTERNAL] Re: ELECRAFT K2. Installing KBT2 with KIO2 in place In-Reply-To: <663A19477829554089F5D347060978AF689C11AB@DC7SWEXP003.corp.adroot.internal> References: <47B18407-5C5A-47FD-8C03-B808939F69CA@comcast.net> <4F26CD7E-A396-42DF-84B7-4C66A3DB5AE9@comcast.net> <663A19477829554089F5D347060978AF689C11AB@DC7SWEXP003.corp.adroot.internal> Message-ID: <844008728.4167131.1552402234860@mail.yahoo.com> On my K2 I installed a USB Mini-B Female 5V DB9 interface in place of KIO2 Part #?DB9-USB-D5-F It's powered by the computer not the K2 so it draws no power?from the K2 On Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 10:10:05 AM EDT, Pawlak, Daniel L wrote: I just built the KIO2 and installed it with my KBT2 and KAT2 already in place. It was a tight fit, but did not restrict the module or the cable. Keeping it neat using cable ties is essential when you re-install the top cover so that they do not get pinched or lay on top of the RF board. The problem I did have was the cable from the KIO2 meeting at the AUX board. The KIO2 cable was too long and stiff which resulted in it trying to twist the board off the control board. Forming the KIO2 cable into an S-shape helped reduce some of the twisting. -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 9:09 PM To: Brian Denley ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Elecraft] ELECRAFT K2. Installing KBT2 with KIO2 in place Brian, No problem with the KAT2 installed.? Ty-wrap the speaker cable to the KAT2 cable, but do not put any ty-wraps at the end of the battery. If the speaker wire has ty-wraps that fall at the end of the battery, cut them off. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/11/2019 9:00 PM, Brian Denley wrote: > I should also mention that the KAT2 is in the cover as well. > > Brian > KB1VBF > Sent from my iPad > >> On Mar 11, 2019, at 7:33 PM, Brian Denley wrote: >> >> Is the KBT2 going to fit ok with the KIO2 in the cover as well?? It seems like the battery is pinching the KIO2 coax cable pretty well. >> ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman.qth.net_mailman_listinfo_elecraft&d=DwICAg&c=YC-d702opsuYKpiO2Bmlzg&r=kP1njbluGgLcMdyEofM_F-lOGeRxHPEzfZ061VLXuAc&m=m1-y2wL97Lh_G3W8j9ubuPpt6LEiFwJq68miCSC1Avk&s=Qx3kzzrxQZk-wRv8huwuwUJfXGlFqSEO_xuXJIsfqtU&e= Help: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman.qth.net_mmfaq.htm&d=DwICAg&c=YC-d702opsuYKpiO2Bmlzg&r=kP1njbluGgLcMdyEofM_F-lOGeRxHPEzfZ061VLXuAc&m=m1-y2wL97Lh_G3W8j9ubuPpt6LEiFwJq68miCSC1Avk&s=ku3Kk3m-WgB6ypB2UZu3szZLk681ZVIZdHaQZqHAM4k&e= Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.qsl.net&d=DwICAg&c=YC-d702opsuYKpiO2Bmlzg&r=kP1njbluGgLcMdyEofM_F-lOGeRxHPEzfZ061VLXuAc&m=m1-y2wL97Lh_G3W8j9ubuPpt6LEiFwJq68miCSC1Avk&s=QDpYXG6HQpSUpGd3jNzNUUJkSvh5qN-OpJWwlp1Vclo&e= Please help support this email list: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.qsl.net_donate.html&d=DwICAg&c=YC-d702opsuYKpiO2Bmlzg&r=kP1njbluGgLcMdyEofM_F-lOGeRxHPEzfZ061VLXuAc&m=m1-y2wL97Lh_G3W8j9ubuPpt6LEiFwJq68miCSC1Avk&s=YSOCtXbL1HJtc5sOsp0PGevVXrx8nFWrDdo-1cuS_RY&e= ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From hlyingst at yahoo.com Tue Mar 12 11:14:03 2019 From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 15:14:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [EXTERNAL] Re: ELECRAFT K2. Installing KBT2 with KIO2 in place In-Reply-To: <7c0e27ae-5c1a-a061-4d9f-38724155f90a@embarqmail.com> References: <47B18407-5C5A-47FD-8C03-B808939F69CA@comcast.net> <4F26CD7E-A396-42DF-84B7-4C66A3DB5AE9@comcast.net> <663A19477829554089F5D347060978AF689C11AB@DC7SWEXP003.corp.adroot.internal> <844008728.4167131.1552402234860@mail.yahoo.com> <7c0e27ae-5c1a-a061-4d9f-38724155f90a@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1288872165.4161044.1552403643764@mail.yahoo.com> Yes that is the downside to it, so something to consider for those who may want that option. On Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 11:03:46 AM EDT, Don Wilhelm wrote: Henry, Nice solution, but it considers only a connection to a PC.? If that is all you want, that is fine. The KIO2 AUX I/O connector also contains internal K2 signals that are used for an externally mounted KPA100/KAT100 as well as the XVseries transverters. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/12/2019 10:50 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: >? On my K2 I installed a USB Mini-B Female 5V DB9 interface in place of KIO2 > Part #?DB9-USB-D5-F > It's powered by the computer not the K2 so it draws no power?from the K2 > > > > >? ? ? On Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 10:10:05 AM EDT, Pawlak, Daniel L wrote: >? >? I just built the KIO2 and installed it with my KBT2 and KAT2 already in place. It was a tight fit, but did not restrict the module or the cable. Keeping it neat using cable ties is essential when you re-install the top cover so that they do not get pinched or lay on top of the RF board. The problem I did have was the cable from the KIO2 meeting at the AUX board. The KIO2 cable was too long and stiff which resulted in it trying to twist the board off the control board. Forming the KIO2 cable into an S-shape helped reduce some of the twisting. > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 9:09 PM > To: Brian Denley ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Elecraft] ELECRAFT K2. Installing KBT2 with KIO2 in place > > Brian, > > No problem with the KAT2 installed.? Ty-wrap the speaker cable to the > KAT2 cable, but do not put any ty-wraps at the end of the battery. > If the speaker wire has ty-wraps that fall at the end of the battery, cut them off. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/11/2019 9:00 PM, Brian Denley wrote: >> I should also mention that the KAT2 is in the cover as well. >> >> Brian >> KB1VBF >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Mar 11, 2019, at 7:33 PM, Brian Denley wrote: >>> >>> Is the KBT2 going to fit ok with the KIO2 in the cover as well?? It seems like the battery is pinching the KIO2 coax cable pretty well. >>> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman.qth.net_mailman_listinfo_elecraft&d=DwICAg&c=YC-d702opsuYKpiO2Bmlzg&r=kP1njbluGgLcMdyEofM_F-lOGeRxHPEzfZ061VLXuAc&m=m1-y2wL97Lh_G3W8j9ubuPpt6LEiFwJq68miCSC1Avk&s=Qx3kzzrxQZk-wRv8huwuwUJfXGlFqSEO_xuXJIsfqtU&e= > Help: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman.qth.net_mmfaq.htm&d=DwICAg&c=YC-d702opsuYKpiO2Bmlzg&r=kP1njbluGgLcMdyEofM_F-lOGeRxHPEzfZ061VLXuAc&m=m1-y2wL97Lh_G3W8j9ubuPpt6LEiFwJq68miCSC1Avk&s=ku3Kk3m-WgB6ypB2UZu3szZLk681ZVIZdHaQZqHAM4k&e= > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.qsl.net&d=DwICAg&c=YC-d702opsuYKpiO2Bmlzg&r=kP1njbluGgLcMdyEofM_F-lOGeRxHPEzfZ061VLXuAc&m=m1-y2wL97Lh_G3W8j9ubuPpt6LEiFwJq68miCSC1Avk&s=QDpYXG6HQpSUpGd3jNzNUUJkSvh5qN-OpJWwlp1Vclo&e= > Please help support this email list: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.qsl.net_donate.html&d=DwICAg&c=YC-d702opsuYKpiO2Bmlzg&r=kP1njbluGgLcMdyEofM_F-lOGeRxHPEzfZ061VLXuAc&m=m1-y2wL97Lh_G3W8j9ubuPpt6LEiFwJq68miCSC1Avk&s=YSOCtXbL1HJtc5sOsp0PGevVXrx8nFWrDdo-1cuS_RY&e= > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >? ? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From ki4txp at gmail.com Tue Mar 12 11:23:52 2019 From: ki4txp at gmail.com (JAY) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 11:23:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Settings for Digital use Message-ID: I have the KI03BU installed.No problem RX but unable to TX. I know there has to be some settings I am missing. This was installed at Elecraft. -- 73 KI4TXP JAY From barrylazar2 at gmail.com Tue Mar 12 11:38:34 2019 From: barrylazar2 at gmail.com (Barry) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 15:38:34 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Settings for Digital use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jay, If you are in data A mode, the easiest thing to do is just turn on your VOX. The tones will turn your transmitter on. Just make sure you set the mike/line in setting so that there are 4 bars of ALC showing and a 5th just flickering. You may need to adjust the VOX gain, but it should work well this way. This is what I do and have had no problems. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "JAY" To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 3/12/2019 11:23:52 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Settings for Digital use >I have the KI03BU installed.No problem RX but unable to TX. I know there >has to be some settings I am missing. >This was installed at Elecraft. > > >-- >73 > >KI4TXP JAY >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Mar 12 11:46:06 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 11:46:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Settings for Digital use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <66d5309c-8688-5d97-6a2f-8696fe89795c@embarqmail.com> Jay, Do you have the soundcard (AUDIO CODEC) properly defined as the soundcard in your application software? That is the 1st step to check. Secondly, are you driving the soundcard output audio to a sufficient level to illuminate 4 bars solid on the ALC meter with the 5th bar flashing? Depending on what digital modes you are using, you may have up to 3 controls for the transmit audio level. Take a look at my website www.w3fpr.com article on this subject. Scroll to the last article in the left column and click to view the document. Ignore the common internet advice - Elecraft transceivers control power differently than other amateur transceivers. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/12/2019 11:23 AM, JAY wrote: > I have the KI03BU installed.No problem RX but unable to TX. I know there > has to be some settings I am missing. > This was installed at Elecraft. > > From ve3dss at hotmail.com Tue Mar 12 12:02:20 2019 From: ve3dss at hotmail.com (Dana Shtun) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 16:02:20 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RS 232 Data Message-ID: Im running my k3 with transverters up to 5.7 Ghz. Its running fine I ran into a puzzle however with VE3NEA?s Omnirig, in that it stops reading at 1296 Mhz and doesn?t display anything higher. Looking at the INI file doesn?t seem to show anything that should stop it. Has anyone run into this before?? I?m wondering if its something hard coded in his program. I?ve queried him but no response as yet. 73 Dana VE3DS From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Mar 12 11:03:44 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 11:03:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [EXTERNAL] Re: ELECRAFT K2. Installing KBT2 with KIO2 in place In-Reply-To: <844008728.4167131.1552402234860@mail.yahoo.com> References: <47B18407-5C5A-47FD-8C03-B808939F69CA@comcast.net> <4F26CD7E-A396-42DF-84B7-4C66A3DB5AE9@comcast.net> <663A19477829554089F5D347060978AF689C11AB@DC7SWEXP003.corp.adroot.internal> <844008728.4167131.1552402234860@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7c0e27ae-5c1a-a061-4d9f-38724155f90a@embarqmail.com> Henry, Nice solution, but it considers only a connection to a PC. If that is all you want, that is fine. The KIO2 AUX I/O connector also contains internal K2 signals that are used for an externally mounted KPA100/KAT100 as well as the XVseries transverters. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/12/2019 10:50 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > On my K2 I installed a USB Mini-B Female 5V DB9 interface in place of KIO2 > Part #?DB9-USB-D5-F > It's powered by the computer not the K2 so it draws no power?from the K2 > > > > > On Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 10:10:05 AM EDT, Pawlak, Daniel L wrote: > > I just built the KIO2 and installed it with my KBT2 and KAT2 already in place. It was a tight fit, but did not restrict the module or the cable. Keeping it neat using cable ties is essential when you re-install the top cover so that they do not get pinched or lay on top of the RF board. The problem I did have was the cable from the KIO2 meeting at the AUX board. The KIO2 cable was too long and stiff which resulted in it trying to twist the board off the control board. Forming the KIO2 cable into an S-shape helped reduce some of the twisting. > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 9:09 PM > To: Brian Denley ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Elecraft] ELECRAFT K2. Installing KBT2 with KIO2 in place > > Brian, > > No problem with the KAT2 installed.? Ty-wrap the speaker cable to the > KAT2 cable, but do not put any ty-wraps at the end of the battery. > If the speaker wire has ty-wraps that fall at the end of the battery, cut them off. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/11/2019 9:00 PM, Brian Denley wrote: >> I should also mention that the KAT2 is in the cover as well. >> >> Brian >> KB1VBF >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Mar 11, 2019, at 7:33 PM, Brian Denley wrote: >>> >>> Is the KBT2 going to fit ok with the KIO2 in the cover as well?? It seems like the battery is pinching the KIO2 coax cable pretty well. >>> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman.qth.net_mailman_listinfo_elecraft&d=DwICAg&c=YC-d702opsuYKpiO2Bmlzg&r=kP1njbluGgLcMdyEofM_F-lOGeRxHPEzfZ061VLXuAc&m=m1-y2wL97Lh_G3W8j9ubuPpt6LEiFwJq68miCSC1Avk&s=Qx3kzzrxQZk-wRv8huwuwUJfXGlFqSEO_xuXJIsfqtU&e= > Help: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman.qth.net_mmfaq.htm&d=DwICAg&c=YC-d702opsuYKpiO2Bmlzg&r=kP1njbluGgLcMdyEofM_F-lOGeRxHPEzfZ061VLXuAc&m=m1-y2wL97Lh_G3W8j9ubuPpt6LEiFwJq68miCSC1Avk&s=ku3Kk3m-WgB6ypB2UZu3szZLk681ZVIZdHaQZqHAM4k&e= > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.qsl.net&d=DwICAg&c=YC-d702opsuYKpiO2Bmlzg&r=kP1njbluGgLcMdyEofM_F-lOGeRxHPEzfZ061VLXuAc&m=m1-y2wL97Lh_G3W8j9ubuPpt6LEiFwJq68miCSC1Avk&s=QDpYXG6HQpSUpGd3jNzNUUJkSvh5qN-OpJWwlp1Vclo&e= > Please help support this email list: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.qsl.net_donate.html&d=DwICAg&c=YC-d702opsuYKpiO2Bmlzg&r=kP1njbluGgLcMdyEofM_F-lOGeRxHPEzfZ061VLXuAc&m=m1-y2wL97Lh_G3W8j9ubuPpt6LEiFwJq68miCSC1Avk&s=YSOCtXbL1HJtc5sOsp0PGevVXrx8nFWrDdo-1cuS_RY&e= > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Mar 12 13:14:51 2019 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 10:14:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Who's your favorite Elecraft Elmer? Message-ID: One thing that defines Elecraft is an extended community comprised of builders, operators, tinkerers, and friends. It's been gratifying to watch the breadth and depth of this interaction over the years (mostly civilized and helpful :) In particular, we'd like to recognize those who have stepped up to become "Elecraft Elmers," helping get others' kits working, figuring out cabling or software setup problems, and coaching new operators about how to make the most of their radios' features on the air. If you have someone in mind, please tell us who they are and how they helped. Specific examples with short narratives would be great. We'll include as many of your stories as possible in upcoming newsletters. Please send them to: margaret at elecraft dot com. 73, Wayne N6KR From w5sum at comcast.net Tue Mar 12 13:29:05 2019 From: w5sum at comcast.net (Ronnie Hull) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 12:29:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Who's your favorite Elecraft Elmer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6D2259E7-BD9B-4A3F-AB7C-E615C7A3A5D1@comcast.net> Floyd N5FH Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 12, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > One thing that defines Elecraft is an extended community comprised of builders, operators, tinkerers, and friends. It's been gratifying to watch the breadth and depth of this interaction over the years (mostly civilized and helpful :) > > In particular, we'd like to recognize those who have stepped up to become "Elecraft Elmers," helping get others' kits working, figuring out cabling or software setup problems, and coaching new operators about how to make the most of their radios' features on the air. > > If you have someone in mind, please tell us who they are and how they helped. Specific examples with short narratives would be great. We'll include as many of your stories as possible in upcoming newsletters. > > Please send them to: margaret at elecraft dot com. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From w5sum at comcast.net Tue Mar 12 13:29:05 2019 From: w5sum at comcast.net (Ronnie Hull) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 12:29:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Who's your favorite Elecraft Elmer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6D2259E7-BD9B-4A3F-AB7C-E615C7A3A5D1@comcast.net> Floyd N5FH Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 12, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > One thing that defines Elecraft is an extended community comprised of builders, operators, tinkerers, and friends. It's been gratifying to watch the breadth and depth of this interaction over the years (mostly civilized and helpful :) > > In particular, we'd like to recognize those who have stepped up to become "Elecraft Elmers," helping get others' kits working, figuring out cabling or software setup problems, and coaching new operators about how to make the most of their radios' features on the air. > > If you have someone in mind, please tell us who they are and how they helped. Specific examples with short narratives would be great. We'll include as many of your stories as possible in upcoming newsletters. > > Please send them to: margaret at elecraft dot com. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From k9ma at sdellington.us Tue Mar 12 13:52:38 2019 From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 11:52:38 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 tuner questions In-Reply-To: <040801d4d87e$430161f0$c90425d0$@w2irt.net> References: <040801d4d87e$430161f0$c90425d0$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <37D3CA38-6B8B-4D2A-9672-CEFBEADA15A9@sdellington.us> Just a general comment on the KPA1500: My experience with it shows that the SWR has to be below 1.2:1 at the amplifier output (ATU input) to run reliably at full power. If the SWR is higher than that, the amp will often fault due to excessive current or drive power before reaching 1500 W. (And may splatter on SSB.) Elecraft recently updated the ATU firmware to consistently find a better match, and it really helps. 73, Scott K9MA ---------- Scott Ellington --- via iPad > On Mar 11, 2019, at 8:49 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > > I have a couple of questions about the KPA1500's internal tuner. > > For the most part, I leave the tuner inline. Except for two sub-bands (SSB > on both 40 and 80m) I am well below 2:1, and maybe 2.5:1 at the top end of > 160m. The KPA does a good job throughout. > > The problems/questions arise when I need to transition between the KPA's > internal tuner on the bottom ends of both 40 and 80, and the external > Palstar HF-Auto tuner, which I need to wrangle very high SWRs on the phone > portions of those bands. Obviously I don't want both automatic tuners inline > at the same time. The situation is most acute on 40. > > The HF-Auto (external automatic tuner) is bypassed everywhere except the > range of 3650 to 4000, and 7100 to 7300. I would like to automatically have > the KPA1500's tuner go into bypass at the above ranges, just as the Palstar > auto-tuner bypasses outside of those ranges. Is this somehow possible, or > must I manually switch the tuner in and out when I cross the appropriate > thresholds? > > Second question, and I think this relates to the whole "bins" thing, which I > don't understand, relates to having different tuning solutions on the same > band segment. This could be handy for me on 80m. Unlike on 40, for 80 I have > an inverted vee, and it's easy for me to drop the ends and change the length > of the antenna, so that instead of being resonant at 3550 I could make it > 3700. I did this for the ARRL-SSB contest and it worked pretty well. Is it > possible to have two different sets of memorized tuning solutions in the > KPA-1500, in the event I have the vee set for CW (normal) or SSB (for phone > contests only)? > > > --------------------------------------------- > 73 and Good DX > Peter, W2IRT > > > > President, North Jersey DX Association > > DXCC Card Checker > Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From lists at subich.com Tue Mar 12 14:17:49 2019 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 14:17:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Settings for Digital use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7dee1d52-640f-d151-34e5-58b1354344b7@subich.com> Are you using DATA A for most daata modes and AFSK A for RTTY? Have you made sure there is *nothing* connected to the Line In jack? Have you confirmed that MENU:MIC+LINE = OFF? *AFTER* selecting DATA A/FSK A have you set MENU:MIC SEL = Line In? *AFTER* selecting DATA A/AFSK A have you adjusted the mic gain for *FOUR BARS* of ALC? The Mic Gain control is "overloaded." The Line In defaults to *0* and can not be adjusted until you have selected DATA A/AFSK A. Finally, in AFSK A if CONFIG:AFSK TX = FIL ON, make sure that the MARK frequency in MMTTY is the same as PITCH and do not tune by "clicking in the waterfall". 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2019-03-12 11:23 AM, JAY wrote: > I have the KI03BU installed.No problem RX but unable to TX. I know there > has to be some settings I am missing. > This was installed at Elecraft. > > From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Tue Mar 12 14:22:59 2019 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 14:22:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Who's your favorite Elecraft Elmer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42fac3be-cb0f-0d07-89e9-ee577d561e70@nycap.rr.com> Don Wilhelm -? I enjoy his? down to earth advice that doesn't require more than a tenth grade education to understand. Note, however, there are many others well worth listening to also. I belong to a couple of groups (for other equipment and OS) and I can assure everyone - the Elecraft reflector is unique. Ask a question and you will get an answer - without snide responses. From johnae5x at gmail.com Tue Mar 12 14:32:25 2019 From: johnae5x at gmail.com (John Harper) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 13:32:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Who's your favorite Elecraft Elmer? Message-ID: No contest at all - Don Wilhelm. John AE5X https://ae5x.blogspot.com From phystad at mac.com Tue Mar 12 14:35:51 2019 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 11:35:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Who's your favorite Elecraft Elmer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I must have read Wayne?s message incorrectly ? I was certain he said to send these recommendation e-mails to Margaret. > On Mar 12, 2019, at 11:32 AM, John Harper wrote: > > No contest at all - Don Wilhelm. > > John AE5X > https://ae5x.blogspot.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From nr4c at widomaker.com Tue Mar 12 14:48:30 2019 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 14:48:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Who's your favorite Elecraft Elmer? In-Reply-To: <42fac3be-cb0f-0d07-89e9-ee577d561e70@nycap.rr.com> References: <42fac3be-cb0f-0d07-89e9-ee577d561e70@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: Well, someone already put Don Wilhelm at the top of this list. So I?ll add my two: Joe Subich and Jim Brown. Both of these guys have answered many questions about so many topics, not just Elecraft. I have a lot of respect for their opinions. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 12, 2019, at 2:22 PM, Bill wrote: > > Don Wilhelm - I enjoy his down to earth advice that doesn't require more than a tenth grade education to understand. Note, however, there are many others well worth listening to also. > > I belong to a couple of groups (for other equipment and OS) and I can assure everyone - the Elecraft reflector is unique. Ask a question and you will get an answer - without snide responses. > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From johnae5x at gmail.com Tue Mar 12 14:56:28 2019 From: johnae5x at gmail.com (John Harper) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 13:56:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Who's your favorite Elecraft Elmer? Message-ID: ------------------------------ Yes, you must have. He didn't say send them *only* to Margaret. Happy to help, John AE5X _______________________ >I must have read Wayne?s message incorrectly ? I was certain he said to send these >recommendation e-mails to Margaret. From jasimmons at pinewooddata.com Tue Mar 12 15:05:04 2019 From: jasimmons at pinewooddata.com (John Simmons) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 14:05:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Who's your favorite Elecraft Elmer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2663aa2f-55ab-7f63-c76e-dc75046fb202@pinewooddata.com> What an amazing support group! Answers come during nights and weekends... obvious wonderful, dedicated people that care about customers having a great experience. 73, -John NI0K John Harper wrote on 3/12/2019 1:56 PM: > ------------------------------ > > Yes, you must have. He didn't say send them *only* to Margaret. > > Happy to help, > > John AE5X > _______________________ > >> I must have read Wayne?s message incorrectly ? I was certain he said to send these >> recommendation e-mails to Margaret. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From paul at paulbaldock.com Tue Mar 12 15:35:07 2019 From: paul at paulbaldock.com (Paul Baldock) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 12:35:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 tuner questions In-Reply-To: <040801d4d87e$430161f0$c90425d0$@w2irt.net> References: <040801d4d87e$430161f0$c90425d0$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <5c880a11.1c69fb81.93380.0e71@mx.google.com> At 07:49 PM 3/11/2019, Peter Dougherty wrote: >The HF-Auto (external automatic tuner) is bypassed everywhere except the >range of 3650 to 4000, and 7100 to 7300. I would like to automatically have >the KPA1500's tuner go into bypass at the above ranges, One method (there are others) is to connect a dummy load to the KPA1500, and do a TUNE for each bin in those ranges. The tuner will then learn to go into BYPASS for those BINS. - Paul From paul at paulbaldock.com Tue Mar 12 15:35:43 2019 From: paul at paulbaldock.com (Paul Baldock) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 12:35:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 tuner questions Message-ID: <5c880a12.1c69fb81.93380.0e72@mx.google.com> At 07:49 PM 3/11/2019, Peter Dougherty wrote: >The HF-Auto (external automatic tuner) is bypassed everywhere except the >range of 3650 to 4000, and 7100 to 7300. I would like to automatically have >the KPA1500's tuner go into bypass at the above ranges, One method (there are others) is to connect a dummy load to the KPA1500, and do a TUNE for each bin in those ranges. The tuner will then learn to go into BYPASS for those BINS. - Paul From c-hawley at illinois.edu Tue Mar 12 15:52:02 2019 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 19:52:02 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Who's your favorite Elecraft Elmer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am going to recommend Mike Blake K9JRI. He is an excellent diagnostician and understands a schematic better than most folks. He?s also an experienced networking engineer and administrator which goes a long way to solving some of the issues that seem hardware based at first. Chuck Jack KE9UW Sent from my iPhone, cjack > On Mar 12, 2019, at 12:15 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > elecraft dot com. From jkelly at verizon.net Tue Mar 12 16:08:16 2019 From: jkelly at verizon.net (Jeff) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 16:08:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Who's your favorite Elecraft Elmer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I recommend Paul - WB2HHH Super intelligent and super helpful to all hams needing help with Elecraft and all aspects of the hobby! Jeff K2SDR > On Mar 12, 2019, at 3:52 PM, 'hawley, charles j jr' c-hawley at illinois.edu [KX3] wrote: > > I am going to recommend Mike Blake K9JRI. He is an excellent diagnostician and understands a schematic better than most folks. He?s also an experienced networking engineer and administrator which goes a long way to solving some of the issues that seem hardware based at first. > > Chuck Jack > KE9UW > > Sent from my iPhone, cjack > > > On Mar 12, 2019, at 12:15 PM, Wayne Burdick > wrote: > > > > elecraft dot com. > > __._,_.___ > Posted by: "hawley, charles j jr" > > Reply via web post ? Reply to sender? ? Reply to group? ? Start a New Topic ? Messages in this topic (2) > Have you tried the highest rated email app? > With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage. > VISIT YOUR GROUP > ? Privacy ? Unsubscribe ? Terms of Use > SPONSORED LINKS > > > > . > > > __,_._,___ From ki4txp at gmail.com Tue Mar 12 17:14:52 2019 From: ki4txp at gmail.com (JAY) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 17:14:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Settings for Digital use In-Reply-To: <7dee1d52-640f-d151-34e5-58b1354344b7@subich.com> References: <7dee1d52-640f-d151-34e5-58b1354344b7@subich.com> Message-ID: Thanks so much for the info I will be trying it and other suggestions soon. On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 2:18 PM Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > Are you using DATA A for most daata modes and AFSK A for RTTY? > > Have you made sure there is *nothing* connected to the Line In jack? > > Have you confirmed that MENU:MIC+LINE = OFF? > > *AFTER* selecting DATA A/FSK A have you set MENU:MIC SEL = Line In? > > *AFTER* selecting DATA A/AFSK A have you adjusted the mic gain for > *FOUR BARS* of ALC? The Mic Gain control is "overloaded." The > Line In defaults to *0* and can not be adjusted until you have > selected DATA A/AFSK A. > > Finally, in AFSK A if CONFIG:AFSK TX = FIL ON, make sure that the > MARK frequency in MMTTY is the same as PITCH and do not tune by > "clicking in the waterfall". > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2019-03-12 11:23 AM, JAY wrote: > > I have the KI03BU installed.No problem RX but unable to TX. I know there > > has to be some settings I am missing. > > This was installed at Elecraft. > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- 73 KI4TXP JAY From charles at k5ua.com Tue Mar 12 17:29:12 2019 From: charles at k5ua.com (charles at k5ua.com) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 16:29:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Chronic loss of KPA-1500 USB and Ethernet Connection Within 60 seconds Message-ID: For several months I have been losing the connection between the KPA-1500 and the computer after approximately 60 seconds of connection time. This happens in both the USB and Ethernet modes in both the local and remote scenarios. I have to exit the software then try to reconnect again. It typically takes a couple of times to reconnect, but once it reconnects it stays connected until I am ready to shut the station down. I would like to know if anyone else is experiencing this phenomena and if so, is there a solution? Charles K5UA From garyk9gs at wi.rr.com Tue Mar 12 17:36:40 2019 From: garyk9gs at wi.rr.com (Gary K9GS) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 16:36:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Chronic loss of KPA-1500 USB and Ethernet Connection Within 60 seconds In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Charles,Have you turned off Windows power saving options ?? You should probably look for a similar setting for the Ethernet port.http://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/PreventUSBPortPowerDown73,Gary K9GS -------- Original message --------From: charles at k5ua.com Date: 3/12/19 4:29 PM (GMT-06:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Chronic loss of KPA-1500 USB and Ethernet Connection ? Within 60 seconds For several months I have been losing the connection between the KPA-1500 and the computer after approximately 60 seconds of connection time.? This happens in both the USB and Ethernet modes in both the local and remote scenarios. I have to exit the software then try to reconnect again. It typically takes a couple of times to reconnect, but once it reconnects it stays connected until I am ready to shut the station down.I would like to know if anyone else is experiencing this phenomena and if so, is there a solution?Charles? K5UA______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From w3tb.ted at gmail.com Tue Mar 12 17:37:11 2019 From: w3tb.ted at gmail.com (Ted Edwards W3TB) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 16:37:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Who's your favorite Elecraft Elmer? In-Reply-To: <2663aa2f-55ab-7f63-c76e-dc75046fb202@pinewooddata.com> References: <2663aa2f-55ab-7f63-c76e-dc75046fb202@pinewooddata.com> Message-ID: I nominate Bill Conkling, NR4C, of Williamsburg, VA. On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 2:05 PM John Simmons wrote: > What an amazing support group! Answers come during nights and > weekends... obvious wonderful, dedicated people that care about > customers having a great experience. > > 73, > -John NI0K > > John Harper wrote on 3/12/2019 1:56 PM: > > ------------------------------ > > > > Yes, you must have. He didn't say send them *only* to Margaret. > > > > Happy to help, > > > > John AE5X > > _______________________ > > > >> I must have read Wayne?s message incorrectly ? I was certain he said to > send these > >> recommendation e-mails to Margaret. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- 73 de Ted Edwards, W3TB and G?PWW and thinking about operating CW: "Do today what others won't, so you can do tomorrow what others can't." From w3tb.ted at gmail.com Tue Mar 12 17:38:56 2019 From: w3tb.ted at gmail.com (Ted Edwards W3TB) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 16:38:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Who's your favorite Elecraft Elmer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I nominate Bill Conkling, NR4C, of Williamsburg, VA. On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 3:08 PM Jeff via Elecraft wrote: > I recommend Paul - WB2HHH > > Super intelligent and super helpful to all hams needing help with Elecraft > and all aspects of the hobby! > > Jeff > K2SDR > > > > On Mar 12, 2019, at 3:52 PM, 'hawley, charles j jr' > c-hawley at illinois.edu [KX3] wrote: > > > > I am going to recommend Mike Blake K9JRI. He is an excellent > diagnostician and understands a schematic better than most folks. He?s also > an experienced networking engineer and administrator which goes a long way > to solving some of the issues that seem hardware based at first. > > > > Chuck Jack > > KE9UW > > > > Sent from my iPhone, cjack > > > > > On Mar 12, 2019, at 12:15 PM, Wayne Burdick > wrote: > > > > > > elecraft dot com. > > > > __._,_.___ > > Posted by: "hawley, charles j jr" c-hawley at illinois.edu>> > > Reply via web post < > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/KX3/conversations/messages/65243;_ylc=X3oDMTJyYjR1Z3FnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzc0NTIwOTQ3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MzEwOARtc2dJZAM2NTI0MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE1NTI0MjAzMzU-?act=reply&messageNum=65243> > ? Reply to sender > ? Reply to group > ? Start a New Topic < > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/KX3/conversations/newtopic;_ylc=X3oDMTJmOTNtODZwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzc0NTIwOTQ3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MzEwOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzE1NTI0MjAzMzU-> > ? 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Terms of Use > > SPONSORED LINKS > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > __,_._,___ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- 73 de Ted Edwards, W3TB and G?PWW and thinking about operating CW: "Do today what others won't, so you can do tomorrow what others can't." From frantz at pwpconsult.com Tue Mar 12 21:14:37 2019 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 18:14:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Working Split with a Sub RX In-Reply-To: <044f01d4d891$8e9da2a0$abd8e7e0$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: I suspect listening to the DX on the main receiver and the pileup on the sub receiver came about with the radios which have a better main than sub. (Not the K3(S)!) In this situation, you want to use the good receiver for the weak DX station, and the poorer for all the stronger pileup stations. 73 Bill AE6JV On 3/12/19 at 10:07 PM, lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) wrote: >I've tried it both ways personally, and I guess through 18 years of hardcore >DXing I got used to the DX on VFO-A and the pileup on VFO-B. But the >argument could certainly be made for the opposite way. I'd wager that's how >Dxpeditions operate, transmitting on VFO-B and scanning the pileup on VFO-A. > >The Left-Mix-Right menu option is great, since it allows you to easily do >whichever mode seems right for your style of operating. > >- pjd > >-----Original Message----- >From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On >Behalf Of William Levy >Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 8:41 PM >To: Elecraft >Subject: [Elecraft] Working Split with a Sub RX > >I have always thought the K3 did it backwards. >Before the K3 I had a transceiver and a seperate RX above it. >The Receiver listened to the DX station and the Transceiver would tune to >find who was working him at the moment. Then the pounce! >So with the K3 I don't use the SPLIT button. I use the Sub on the DX station >and I lock it and then I use the transceiver knob to find the guys working >split. If you have a P3 attached you can see it and the P3 will put you >there instantaneously. > >I think that's a better way to work split. Would love to hear from those >that agree or disagree. > >Sincerely Bill N2WL ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | gets() remains as a monument | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | to C's continuing support of | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | buffer overruns. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From jboehner01 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 12 23:32:57 2019 From: jboehner01 at yahoo.com (James F. Boehner MD) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 23:32:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Who's your favorite Elecraft Elmer? Message-ID: <015801d4d94d$74896ea0$5d9c4be0$@yahoo.com> I wholeheartedly agree! Don has helped so many with his vast knowledge and patience. I have seen him at many Hamfests teaching the masses about Elecraft products. His comments and answers to questions on this list go unmatched anywhere. Those who have sent radios in to him to repair over the ages know his commitment to Elecraft and Amateur Radio in general. I would like to add my support to Don as my favorite Elecraft Elmer! '73 de JIM N2ZZ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 2:23 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Who's your favorite Elecraft Elmer? Don Wilhelm - I enjoy his down to earth advice that doesn't require more than a tenth grade education to understand. Note, however, there are many others well worth listening to also. I belong to a couple of groups (for other equipment and OS) and I can assure everyone - the Elecraft reflector is unique. Ask a question and you will get an answer - without snide responses. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From lists at w2irt.net Wed Mar 13 00:24:06 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 00:24:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 tuner questions In-Reply-To: <37D3CA38-6B8B-4D2A-9672-CEFBEADA15A9@sdellington.us> References: <040801d4d87e$430161f0$c90425d0$@w2irt.net> <37D3CA38-6B8B-4D2A-9672-CEFBEADA15A9@sdellington.us> Message-ID: <052201d4d954$99933a30$ccb9ae90$@w2irt.net> Thanks, Scott! I'm going to change the way I do things so that ATU is always in, and the Palstar HF-Auto switches to AUTO mode rather than Manual to keep the match seen by the KPA below 1.2:1 - pjd -----Original Message----- From: K9MA Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 1:53 PM To: Peter Dougherty Cc: Reflector Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 tuner questions Just a general comment on the KPA1500: My experience with it shows that the SWR has to be below 1.2:1 at the amplifier output (ATU input) to run reliably at full power. If the SWR is higher than that, the amp will often fault due to excessive current or drive power before reaching 1500 W. (And may splatter on SSB.) Elecraft recently updated the ATU firmware to consistently find a better match, and it really helps. 73, Scott K9MA ---------- Scott Ellington --- via iPad > On Mar 11, 2019, at 8:49 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > > I have a couple of questions about the KPA1500's internal tuner. > > For the most part, I leave the tuner inline. Except for two sub-bands > (SSB on both 40 and 80m) I am well below 2:1, and maybe 2.5:1 at the > top end of 160m. The KPA does a good job throughout. > > The problems/questions arise when I need to transition between the > KPA's internal tuner on the bottom ends of both 40 and 80, and the > external Palstar HF-Auto tuner, which I need to wrangle very high SWRs > on the phone portions of those bands. Obviously I don't want both > automatic tuners inline at the same time. The situation is most acute on 40. > > The HF-Auto (external automatic tuner) is bypassed everywhere except > the range of 3650 to 4000, and 7100 to 7300. I would like to > automatically have the KPA1500's tuner go into bypass at the above > ranges, just as the Palstar auto-tuner bypasses outside of those > ranges. Is this somehow possible, or must I manually switch the tuner > in and out when I cross the appropriate thresholds? > > Second question, and I think this relates to the whole "bins" thing, > which I don't understand, relates to having different tuning solutions > on the same band segment. This could be handy for me on 80m. Unlike on > 40, for 80 I have an inverted vee, and it's easy for me to drop the > ends and change the length of the antenna, so that instead of being > resonant at 3550 I could make it 3700. I did this for the ARRL-SSB > contest and it worked pretty well. Is it possible to have two > different sets of memorized tuning solutions in the KPA-1500, in the > event I have the vee set for CW (normal) or SSB (for phone contests only)? > > > --------------------------------------------- > 73 and Good DX > Peter, W2IRT > > > > President, North Jersey DX Association > > DXCC Card Checker > Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From lists at w2irt.net Wed Mar 13 00:25:19 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 00:25:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 tuner questions In-Reply-To: <5c880a12.1c69fb81.93380.0e72@mx.google.com> References: <5c880a12.1c69fb81.93380.0e72@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <052401d4d954$c4a11bc0$4de35340$@w2irt.net> I think instead I'll go the route of always leaving it in line, but that method would certainly work too! Thanks, Paul! - pjd From: Paul Baldock Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 3:36 PM To: Peter Dougherty ; 'Reflector Elecraft' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 tuner questions At 07:49 PM 3/11/2019, Peter Dougherty wrote: The HF-Auto (external automatic tuner) is bypassed everywhere except the range of 3650 to 4000, and 7100 to 7300. I would like to automatically have the KPA1500's tuner go into bypass at the above ranges, One method (there are others) is to connect a dummy load to the KPA1500, and do a TUNE for each bin in those ranges. The tuner will then learn to go into BYPASS for those BINS. - Paul From K6FW1 at verizon.net Wed Mar 13 01:04:32 2019 From: K6FW1 at verizon.net (Frank) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 22:04:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] TX Gain Calibration Fails on 6 meters Message-ID: <67D89077-B35C-4B40-87F3-C07443D0C62C@verizon.net> I purchased Elecraft K3S S/N 11672 in August 2018. The build was completed in November 2018. At that time all the tests and calibrations were completed successfully. Now the TX Gain Calibration fails on Low Power and High Power on 50 MHz. only. Page 67 of Elecraft K3S owners manual TXGN Description states LP 0-12W and HP 13-120W. On 160-10 meters I hear the relay switch from LP to HP amplifier when the power adjustment is increased from 12 to 13W as described. On 6 meters the relay switches from LP to HP amplifier when the power is adjusted from 8 to 9W. The error message states ?TX Calibration failed because Transmit Power did not reach the expected value.? The TX calibration is performed per the instructions into a proper 50 ohm dummy load. I submitted this to Elecraft Support last week but have not received a response, so I thought I would ask the group for ideas. Thanks in advance. Frank K6FW From c-hawley at illinois.edu Wed Mar 13 01:52:08 2019 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 05:52:08 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] TX Gain Calibration Fails on 6 meters In-Reply-To: <67D89077-B35C-4B40-87F3-C07443D0C62C@verizon.net> References: <67D89077-B35C-4B40-87F3-C07443D0C62C@verizon.net> Message-ID: I had the 50 MHz gain cal fail with the initial build of my K3s. Don't remember which power. I repeated the cal several times and one time it passed. I left it there. Not anxious to try it again. Chuck Hawley c-hawley at illinois.edu Amateur Radio, KE9UW aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles ________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of Frank via Elecraft Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 12:04 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] TX Gain Calibration Fails on 6 meters I purchased Elecraft K3S S/N 11672 in August 2018. The build was completed in November 2018. At that time all the tests and calibrations were completed successfully. Now the TX Gain Calibration fails on Low Power and High Power on 50 MHz. only. Page 67 of Elecraft K3S owners manual TXGN Description states LP 0-12W and HP 13-120W. On 160-10 meters I hear the relay switch from LP to HP amplifier when the power adjustment is increased from 12 to 13W as described. On 6 meters the relay switches from LP to HP amplifier when the power is adjusted from 8 to 9W. The error message states ?TX Calibration failed because Transmit Power did not reach the expected value.? The TX calibration is performed per the instructions into a proper 50 ohm dummy load. I submitted this to Elecraft Support last week but have not received a response, so I thought I would ask the group for ideas. Thanks in advance. Frank K6FW ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Mar 13 03:09:00 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 00:09:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 tuner questions In-Reply-To: <052201d4d954$99933a30$ccb9ae90$@w2irt.net> References: <040801d4d87e$430161f0$c90425d0$@w2irt.net> <37D3CA38-6B8B-4D2A-9672-CEFBEADA15A9@sdellington.us> <052201d4d954$99933a30$ccb9ae90$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <537f63dd-d0bf-3362-311a-44c7283da834@audiosystemsgroup.com> Hi Peter, It's probably a bad idea to have to antenna tuners in series. Each tuner adds loss, and the one in the KPA1500 is integrated with the amplifier. No question, one should by bypassed, and I'd be inclined to remove the Palstar from the signal path -- that is, connect switched antennas directly to the KPA1500 and find a new home for the Palstar. Why? Well, several years ago when I stopped by their booth in Dayton and looked inside the box, I saw really bad engineering -- the circuitry relied on chassis return for switching. I asked to talk to the engineer for the product, and? the guy in the booth said he was. When I pointed out the problem, he didn't understand why it was a problem! ? This is engineering 101! BTW -- the otherwise very good Ten Tec tuners are built that way too. Trying to make a TDR sweep through them is impossible, and trying to get 6M through it would be a train wreck, and the Palstar that I looked would be as bad! 73, Jim K9YC On 3/12/2019 9:24 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > Palstar HF-Auto switches to AUTO mode rather than Manual to keep the match > seen by the KPA below 1.2:1 From rocketnj at gmail.com Wed Mar 13 06:01:35 2019 From: rocketnj at gmail.com (Dave) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 06:01:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 tuner questions In-Reply-To: <052401d4d954$c4a11bc0$4de35340$@w2irt.net> References: <5c880a12.1c69fb81.93380.0e72@mx.google.com> <052401d4d954$c4a11bc0$4de35340$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <79E3FED6-B69F-4623-9A04-BAE02313DD97@gmail.com> The problem you will run into is if the antenna SWR changes above the threshold for both the KPA1500 tuner and HF Auto bothtuners will initiate a retune and the two will be fighting each other. Example - ice, branches against antenna, etc. For the bands where you need to use the HF Auto, you are better off leaving the KPA1500 in bypass. Dave wo2x Sent from my iPad > On Mar 13, 2019, at 12:25 AM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > > I think instead I'll go the route of always leaving it in line, but that > method would certainly work too! Thanks, Paul! > > > > - pjd > > > > From: Paul Baldock > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 3:36 PM > To: Peter Dougherty ; 'Reflector Elecraft' > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 tuner questions > > > > At 07:49 PM 3/11/2019, Peter Dougherty wrote: > > > > > > The HF-Auto (external automatic tuner) is bypassed everywhere except the > range of 3650 to 4000, and 7100 to 7300. I would like to automatically have > the KPA1500's tuner go into bypass at the above ranges, > > > One method (there are others) is to connect a dummy load to the KPA1500, and > do a TUNE for each bin in those ranges. The tuner will then learn to go into > BYPASS for those BINS. > > - Paul > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From henning.hess at t-online.de Wed Mar 13 06:50:17 2019 From: henning.hess at t-online.de (Henning Hess) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 11:50:17 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K* POD Message-ID: <000001d4d98a$8c4c6c80$a4e54580$@hess@t-online.de> Hallo, OMs How can I publish my questions at the right place? 73 de Henning (DJ7HH) From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Wed Mar 13 08:14:18 2019 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 05:14:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K* POD In-Reply-To: <000001d4d98a$8c4c6c80$a4e54580$@hess@t-online.de> References: <000001d4d98a$8c4c6c80$a4e54580$@hess@t-online.de> Message-ID: Henning, This is the place. Wes? N7WS On 3/13/2019 3:50 AM, Henning Hess wrote: > Hallo, OMs > > How can I publish my questions at the right place? > > 73 de Henning (DJ7HH) > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Wed Mar 13 08:58:11 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 07:58:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 tuner questions In-Reply-To: <79E3FED6-B69F-4623-9A04-BAE02313DD97@gmail.com> References: <5c880a12.1c69fb81.93380.0e72@mx.google.com> <052401d4d954$c4a11bc0$4de35340$@w2irt.net> <79E3FED6-B69F-4623-9A04-BAE02313DD97@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f281330-370c-83d0-cd3d-dbc2e24bcf37@blomand.net> Personally I'd try to correct the antenna issue so the tuner in the KPA1500 performs? as designed.? The antenna should be able, with the KPA1500 tuner, to cover then entire 75/80M band. Although I use the KAT500, same equivalent circuit, I have no issue with full band coverage on 75/80M. As to the Palstar, I'd take Jim's advice, and find it a new home.? Two automatic tuners in line is a formula for disaster as I view it.?? If you wish to use the Palstar all of the time, then set the one in the KPA1500 to bypass all of the time. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/13/2019 5:01 AM, Dave wrote: > The problem you will run into is if the antenna SWR changes above the threshold for both the KPA1500 tuner and HF Auto bothtuners will initiate a retune and the two will be fighting each other. > > Example - ice, branches against antenna, etc. > > For the bands where you need to use the HF Auto, you are better off leaving the KPA1500 in bypass. > > Dave wo2x > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Mar 13, 2019, at 12:25 AM, Peter Dougherty wrote: >> >> I think instead I'll go the route of always leaving it in line, but that >> method would certainly work too! Thanks, Paul! >> >> >> >> - pjd >> >> >> >> From: Paul Baldock >> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 3:36 PM >> To: Peter Dougherty ; 'Reflector Elecraft' >> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 tuner questions >> >> >> >> At 07:49 PM 3/11/2019, Peter Dougherty wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> The HF-Auto (external automatic tuner) is bypassed everywhere except the >> range of 3650 to 4000, and 7100 to 7300. I would like to automatically have >> the KPA1500's tuner go into bypass at the above ranges, >> >> >> One method (there are others) is to connect a dummy load to the KPA1500, and >> do a TUNE for each bin in those ranges. The tuner will then learn to go into >> BYPASS for those BINS. >> >> - Paul >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From mike.flowers at gmail.com Wed Mar 13 09:23:55 2019 From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 06:23:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K* POD In-Reply-To: <5c88e088.1c69fb81.3f538.3483SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> References: <5c88e088.1c69fb81.3f538.3483SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9D686FE2-B87A-49E0-AA5A-EFAEA3856A18@gmail.com> Hi Henning, This is a good place to ask. There are many knowledgeable folks here. -- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!" > On Mar 13, 2019, at 3:50 AM, Henning Hess wrote: > > Hallo, OMs > > How can I publish my questions at the right place? > > 73 de Henning (DJ7HH) > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From graziano at roccon.com Wed Mar 13 09:33:18 2019 From: graziano at roccon.com (Graziano Roccon IW2NOY) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 14:33:18 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K* POD In-Reply-To: <000001d4d98a$8c4c6c80$a4e54580$@hess@t-online.de> References: <000001d4d98a$8c4c6c80$a4e54580$@hess@t-online.de> Message-ID: Yes, this is the place... Shoot the question... 73 de IW2NOY ?Inviato da BlueMail ? Il giorno 13 mar 2019 11:51, alle ore 11:51, Henning Hess ha scritto: >Hallo, OMs > >How can I publish my questions at the right place? > >73 de Henning (DJ7HH) > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From richard at lamont.me.uk Wed Mar 13 10:00:28 2019 From: richard at lamont.me.uk (Richard Lamont) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 14:00:28 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S noise blanker: FMOP OTHR Message-ID: <1cf5cead-0076-be81-fb63-8a337520f609@lamont.me.uk> Hi all, Has anyone had any success using the K3S noise blanker to get rid of the new-ish FM-on-pulse types of over-the-horizon radar? I've tried various settings but nothing seems to make any discernable difference. There seem to be two main systems, both Russian: 'Sunflower', a surface-wave OTHR, which typically occupies about 40 kHz of bandwidth on the lower HF bands and puts out 43 pulses/sec and has been causing a lot of interference on 3.5 and 5 MHz. 'Container', an ionospheric OTHR, which (at present) occupies about 14 kHz of bandwidth, mainly on 14 MHz and puts out 40 pulses/sec and has spent the last few days centred on 14142, 14228 and 14332 kHz. 73, Richard G4DYA From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Mar 13 10:21:16 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 10:21:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S noise blanker: FMOP OTHR In-Reply-To: <1cf5cead-0076-be81-fb63-8a337520f609@lamont.me.uk> References: <1cf5cead-0076-be81-fb63-8a337520f609@lamont.me.uk> Message-ID: <728f5d00-1688-ed88-c139-843e046d189a@embarqmail.com> Richard, You may have better luck with Noise Reduction than the Noise Blanker. The noise blanker works best on impulse type noise. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/13/2019 10:00 AM, Richard Lamont wrote: > Hi all, > > Has anyone had any success using the K3S noise blanker to get rid of the > new-ish FM-on-pulse types of over-the-horizon radar? I've tried various > settings but nothing seems to make any discernable difference. > > There seem to be two main systems, both Russian: > > 'Sunflower', a surface-wave OTHR, which typically occupies about 40 kHz > of bandwidth on the lower HF bands and puts out 43 pulses/sec and has > been causing a lot of interference on 3.5 and 5 MHz. > > 'Container', an ionospheric OTHR, which (at present) occupies about 14 > kHz of bandwidth, mainly on 14 MHz and puts out 40 pulses/sec and has > spent the last few days centred on 14142, 14228 and 14332 kHz. > > 73, > Richard G4DYA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From w0eb at cox.net Wed Mar 13 10:43:09 2019 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 14:43:09 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: For Sale, Midnight Design Solutions Scalar Network Analyzer Message-ID: Surplus to my needs (I now have a new Spectrum Analyzer and a SARK-110) is a really nice fully built and working Scalar Network Analyzer from Midnight Design Solutions ( http://midnightdesignsolutions.com/sna/ ) with the optional digital signal generator. Total cost originally for the SNA and the optional Sig Gen was $120 plus shipping. This unit was personally constructed by me and is in excellent operating condition with the latest (Version 5.0) software installed. I'd like to get $100 shipped for this - anywhere in the USA & posessions only. PayPal preferred. Interested? Please contact me off the reflector for further information or to say "I'll take it". First "I'll take it" gets right of first refusal (by date/time on the incoming email). Jim Sheldon, W0EB Park City, KS From paul at paulbaldock.com Wed Mar 13 10:46:28 2019 From: paul at paulbaldock.com (Paul Baldock) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 07:46:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 tuner questions In-Reply-To: <79E3FED6-B69F-4623-9A04-BAE02313DD97@gmail.com> References: <5c880a12.1c69fb81.93380.0e72@mx.google.com> <052401d4d954$c4a11bc0$4de35340$@w2irt.net> <79E3FED6-B69F-4623-9A04-BAE02313DD97@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5c8917c6.1c69fb81.d55b5.fd92@mx.google.com> At 03:01 AM 3/13/2019, you wrote: >The problem you will run into is if the antenna SWR changes above >the threshold for both the KPA1500 tuner and HF Auto bothtuners will >initiate a retune and the two will be fighting each other. I suggest you set KPA1500 "ATU HISWR RETUNE" to "OFF". The last thing you want is for the ATU to start tuning when you don't expect it, such as when you choose the wrong antenna by mistake. - Paul From henning.hess at t-online.de Wed Mar 13 10:49:52 2019 From: henning.hess at t-online.de (Henning Hess) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 15:49:52 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K* POD Message-ID: <000c01d4d9ac$041a45e0$0c4ed1a0$@hess@t-online.de> I have a question concerning K*POD. I want to use this item together with the K3 My efforts in programming this item were not successful. I got the Elecraft K*Pod some days ago and I tried to "program" it. I was not able to see a good result. Normally I am working DX in CW. You are more successful in the pile-up when you manage to find the station which made the contact. Do you have a hint or suggestion how to program the K*Pod and the K3 for this effort. This means: VFO "A" permanently on the frequency of the DX station. Searching with VFO "B" for the successful station in the pile-up. Going with the K3 to this frequency. Transmitting.... (Successful????) Yes Going back again to this QRG . Send report 599 TU I hope I could describe my problem understandable and you are able to give me a tip how to program and solve this. Thank you very much in advance. 73 de Henning ( DJ7HH) From k9ma at sdellington.us Wed Mar 13 11:02:30 2019 From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 09:02:30 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 tuner questions In-Reply-To: <052201d4d954$99933a30$ccb9ae90$@w2irt.net> References: <040801d4d87e$430161f0$c90425d0$@w2irt.net> <37D3CA38-6B8B-4D2A-9672-CEFBEADA15A9@sdellington.us> <052201d4d954$99933a30$ccb9ae90$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: The ATU in the KPA1500 alone will achieve the 1.2:1 match with the 2.09 firmware, now in beta. The external tuner is not necessary, unless the antenna SWR is very high. 73, Scott K9MA ---------- Scott Ellington --- via iPad > On Mar 12, 2019, at 10:24 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > > Thanks, Scott! > I'm going to change the way I do things so that ATU is always in, and the > Palstar HF-Auto switches to AUTO mode rather than Manual to keep the match > seen by the KPA below 1.2:1 > > - pjd > > -----Original Message----- > From: K9MA > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 1:53 PM > To: Peter Dougherty > Cc: Reflector Elecraft > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 tuner questions > > Just a general comment on the KPA1500: My experience with it shows that the > SWR has to be below 1.2:1 at the amplifier output (ATU input) to run > reliably at full power. If the SWR is higher than that, the amp will often > fault due to excessive current or drive power before reaching 1500 W. (And > may splatter on SSB.) Elecraft recently updated the ATU firmware to > consistently find a better match, and it really helps. > > 73, > Scott K9MA > > ---------- > > Scott Ellington > > --- via iPad > >> On Mar 11, 2019, at 8:49 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: >> >> I have a couple of questions about the KPA1500's internal tuner. >> >> For the most part, I leave the tuner inline. Except for two sub-bands >> (SSB on both 40 and 80m) I am well below 2:1, and maybe 2.5:1 at the >> top end of 160m. The KPA does a good job throughout. >> >> The problems/questions arise when I need to transition between the >> KPA's internal tuner on the bottom ends of both 40 and 80, and the >> external Palstar HF-Auto tuner, which I need to wrangle very high SWRs >> on the phone portions of those bands. Obviously I don't want both >> automatic tuners inline at the same time. The situation is most acute on > 40. >> >> The HF-Auto (external automatic tuner) is bypassed everywhere except >> the range of 3650 to 4000, and 7100 to 7300. I would like to >> automatically have the KPA1500's tuner go into bypass at the above >> ranges, just as the Palstar auto-tuner bypasses outside of those >> ranges. Is this somehow possible, or must I manually switch the tuner >> in and out when I cross the appropriate thresholds? >> >> Second question, and I think this relates to the whole "bins" thing, >> which I don't understand, relates to having different tuning solutions >> on the same band segment. This could be handy for me on 80m. Unlike on >> 40, for 80 I have an inverted vee, and it's easy for me to drop the >> ends and change the length of the antenna, so that instead of being >> resonant at 3550 I could make it 3700. I did this for the ARRL-SSB >> contest and it worked pretty well. Is it possible to have two >> different sets of memorized tuning solutions in the KPA-1500, in the >> event I have the vee set for CW (normal) or SSB (for phone contests only)? >> >> >> --------------------------------------------- >> 73 and Good DX >> Peter, W2IRT >> >> >> >> President, North Jersey DX Association >> >> DXCC Card Checker >> Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > From rocketnj at gmail.com Wed Mar 13 11:18:00 2019 From: rocketnj at gmail.com (Dave) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 11:18:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 tuner questions In-Reply-To: References: <040801d4d87e$430161f0$c90425d0$@w2irt.net> <37D3CA38-6B8B-4D2A-9672-CEFBEADA15A9@sdellington.us> <052201d4d954$99933a30$ccb9ae90$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: The issue with the internal tuner in Peter?s case is SWR will be high enough to cause necessary power reduction. (Max power will be reduced. ) The HF Auto allows for slightly higher power at same SWR presented to tuner. Dave wo2x Sent from my waxed string and tin cans. > On Mar 13, 2019, at 11:02 AM, K9MA wrote: > > The ATU in the KPA1500 alone will achieve the 1.2:1 match with the 2.09 firmware, now in beta. The external tuner is not necessary, unless the antenna SWR is very high. > > 73, > Scott K9MA > > ---------- > > Scott Ellington > > --- via iPad > >> On Mar 12, 2019, at 10:24 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: >> >> Thanks, Scott! >> I'm going to change the way I do things so that ATU is always in, and the >> Palstar HF-Auto switches to AUTO mode rather than Manual to keep the match >> seen by the KPA below 1.2:1 >> >> - pjd >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: K9MA >> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 1:53 PM >> To: Peter Dougherty >> Cc: Reflector Elecraft >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 tuner questions >> >> Just a general comment on the KPA1500: My experience with it shows that the >> SWR has to be below 1.2:1 at the amplifier output (ATU input) to run >> reliably at full power. If the SWR is higher than that, the amp will often >> fault due to excessive current or drive power before reaching 1500 W. (And >> may splatter on SSB.) Elecraft recently updated the ATU firmware to >> consistently find a better match, and it really helps. >> >> 73, >> Scott K9MA >> >> ---------- >> >> Scott Ellington >> >> --- via iPad >> >>> On Mar 11, 2019, at 8:49 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: >>> >>> I have a couple of questions about the KPA1500's internal tuner. >>> >>> For the most part, I leave the tuner inline. Except for two sub-bands >>> (SSB on both 40 and 80m) I am well below 2:1, and maybe 2.5:1 at the >>> top end of 160m. The KPA does a good job throughout. >>> >>> The problems/questions arise when I need to transition between the >>> KPA's internal tuner on the bottom ends of both 40 and 80, and the >>> external Palstar HF-Auto tuner, which I need to wrangle very high SWRs >>> on the phone portions of those bands. Obviously I don't want both >>> automatic tuners inline at the same time. The situation is most acute on >> 40. >>> >>> The HF-Auto (external automatic tuner) is bypassed everywhere except >>> the range of 3650 to 4000, and 7100 to 7300. I would like to >>> automatically have the KPA1500's tuner go into bypass at the above >>> ranges, just as the Palstar auto-tuner bypasses outside of those >>> ranges. Is this somehow possible, or must I manually switch the tuner >>> in and out when I cross the appropriate thresholds? >>> >>> Second question, and I think this relates to the whole "bins" thing, >>> which I don't understand, relates to having different tuning solutions >>> on the same band segment. This could be handy for me on 80m. Unlike on >>> 40, for 80 I have an inverted vee, and it's easy for me to drop the >>> ends and change the length of the antenna, so that instead of being >>> resonant at 3550 I could make it 3700. I did this for the ARRL-SSB >>> contest and it worked pretty well. Is it possible to have two >>> different sets of memorized tuning solutions in the KPA-1500, in the >>> event I have the vee set for CW (normal) or SSB (for phone contests only)? >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------- >>> 73 and Good DX >>> Peter, W2IRT >>> >>> >>> >>> President, North Jersey DX Association >>> >>> DXCC Card Checker >>> Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Mar 13 11:18:54 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 11:18:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K* POD In-Reply-To: <000c01d4d9ac$041a45e0$0c4ed1a0$@hess@t-online.de> References: <000c01d4d9ac$041a45e0$0c4ed1a0$@hess@t-online.de> Message-ID: Henning, There is no need to *program* the K-Pod itself. You do write Macros for the K3 (use K3 Utility to enter them) see the K3 Programmer's Reference for Macro command structure. Then the K-Pod buttons can initiate up to 16 K3 Macros - a tap initiates macros 9 through 16 while a hold initiates macros 1 through 8. For instance, one Macro can be used to turn on SPLIT, then set VFO B to the same frequency and mode as VFO A and move VFO B up 1kHz. Another Macro can turn on RIT, while another can turn on XIT. Think about how you operate the K3 and create macros to automate that process. The knob on the K-Pod will move VFO A or VFO B depending on which switch position you have set. The 3rd position can change the RIT or XIT offset. Late K3s and the K3S are K-Pod ready, but remove the front bottom panel of your K3 and check the resistor. See the K-Pod instructions. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/13/2019 10:49 AM, Henning Hess wrote: > I have a question concerning K*POD. > > I want to use this item together with the K3 > > My efforts in programming this item were not successful. > > I got the Elecraft K*Pod some days ago and I tried to "program" it. > > I was not able to see a good result. > > Normally I am working DX in CW. > From w0eb at cox.net Wed Mar 13 14:11:16 2019 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 18:11:16 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] SOLD OT: For Sale, Midnight Design Solutions Scalar Network Analyzer Message-ID: The SNA with optional DDS60 Sig Gen card has been sold. Thanks to all who inquired. W0EB From rboutell at hotmail.com Wed Mar 13 14:48:44 2019 From: rboutell at hotmail.com (rboutell) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 11:48:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Who's your favorite Elecraft Elmer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1552502924803-0.post@n2.nabble.com> I agree that Don W3FPR has been an incredible elmer here for many years. I just wanted to also commend Tom Hammond N0SS (SK) for many earlier years of beta testing, helpful tips, and answering questions on the reflector. Here is a link to his preserved website. The soldering tutorial is invaluable. http://www.mmccs.com/mmarc/n0ss/ 73, Russ W9RB ----- 73, Russ - W9RB -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From cswilhelm at gmail.com Wed Mar 13 14:56:34 2019 From: cswilhelm at gmail.com (Spence Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 11:56:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Who's your favorite Elecraft Elmer? In-Reply-To: <1552502924803-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1552502924803-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I totally agree, Don W3FPR is awesome. His knowledge of Elecraft equipment is superb. Spence W7CSW On Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 11:49 AM rboutell wrote: > I agree that Don W3FPR has been an incredible elmer here for many years. I > just wanted to also commend Tom Hammond N0SS (SK) for many earlier years of > beta testing, helpful tips, and answering questions on the reflector. Here > is a link to his preserved website. The soldering tutorial is invaluable. > http://www.mmccs.com/mmarc/n0ss/ > 73, Russ W9RB > > > > ----- > 73, Russ - W9RB > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Mar 13 15:03:51 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 15:03:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Who's your favorite Elecraft Elmer? In-Reply-To: <1552502924803-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1552502924803-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I agree that Tom Hammond N0SS (SK) created a valuable website with a lot of information related to Elecraft products (particularly the K1 and K2) and ham radio in general. I am thankful that the Mid-Misouri Amateur Radio Club chose to preserve the contents of his website within their website structure. I use it frequently (have it bookmarked) even though I have copied many of the documents on my home fileserver. If you have not reviewed Tom's website information to see what is there, I invite you to do so, it can be valuable. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/13/2019 2:48 PM, rboutell wrote: > I agree that Don W3FPR has been an incredible elmer here for many years. I > just wanted to also commend Tom Hammond N0SS (SK) for many earlier years of > beta testing, helpful tips, and answering questions on the reflector. Here > is a link to his preserved website. The soldering tutorial is invaluable. > http://www.mmccs.com/mmarc/n0ss/ > 73, Russ W9RB From k9ztv at socket.net Wed Mar 13 15:48:34 2019 From: k9ztv at socket.net (KENT TRIMBLE) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 14:48:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Who's your favorite Elecraft Elmer? In-Reply-To: References: <1552502924803-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: As Trustee for the N?SS memorial call sign, I want to thank Don Wilhelm and Russ Boutell for remembering Tom Hammond and his Elecraft legacy, as well as others who still revere his memory.? A more unselfishly helpful person never walked this Earth.? I will make sure the club knows about Don's kind words for our efforts in maintaining Tom's website material at our monthly meeting tomorrow night. 73, Kent Trimble, K9ZTV Jefferson City, Missouri On 3/13/2019 2:03 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > I agree that Tom Hammond N0SS (SK) created a valuable website with a > lot of information related to Elecraft products (particularly the K1 > and K2) and ham radio in general. > I am thankful that the Mid-Misouri Amateur Radio Club chose to > preserve the contents of his website within their website structure.? > I use it frequently (have it bookmarked) even though I have copied > many of the documents on my home fileserver. > > If you have not reviewed Tom's website information to see what is > there, I invite you to do so, it can be valuable. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/13/2019 2:48 PM, rboutell wrote: >> I agree that Don W3FPR has been an incredible elmer here for many >> years. I >> just wanted to also commend Tom Hammond N0SS (SK) for many earlier >> years of >> beta testing, helpful tips, and answering questions on the reflector. >> Here >> is a link to his preserved website. The soldering tutorial is >> invaluable. >> http://www.mmccs.com/mmarc/n0ss/ >> 73, Russ W9RB > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com From edauer at law.du.edu Wed Mar 13 18:23:46 2019 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 22:23:46 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Pig Knob for sale Message-ID: <4AE1E623-1034-4582-8DAA-B5E35B56CF6E@law.du.edu> The Pig Knob is no longer made by Pignology, I believe, probably because the K-POD eclipsed it for the K3. But it works for the KX3 as well as some non-Elecraft rigs, and I believe that with some cautions it can be adapted to a K2. So mine is either very valuable because they are out of production, or not valuable at all because the K-POD is so much better. Take your pick and make an offer, plus shipping. The original price was $130. Ted, KN1CBR From edauer at law.du.edu Wed Mar 13 19:24:46 2019 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 23:24:46 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Free - almost - to a good home Message-ID: More stuff as I clean house: a KD1JV triband (30-40-17) QRP transceiver and its more or less matching longwire antenna tuner. I built them, never tested them, have no idea if they work, though they look FB. Hence sold as is. Shipping CONUS via Priority Mail would be about $15. So that?s the price - $15 cash. Please don?t request them unless you will actually use them. No need for them to go unused at my home to unused at some other home. Ted, KN1CBR From edauer at law.du.edu Wed Mar 13 19:44:05 2019 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 23:44:05 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Free - almost - to a good home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3CCDCF18-F4FF-456D-8FB0-7001AFF7E5C2@law.du.edu> The almost free transceiver has been sold. From: "Dauer, Edward" Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 at 5:24 PM To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Free - almost - to a good home More stuff as I clean house: a KD1JV triband (30-40-17) QRP transceiver and its more or less matching longwire antenna tuner. I built them, never tested them, have no idea if they work, though they look FB. Hence sold as is. Shipping CONUS via Priority Mail would be about $15. So that?s the price - $15 cash. Please don?t request them unless you will actually use them. No need for them to go unused at my home to unused at some other home. Ted, KN1CBR From krug261 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 13 13:08:20 2019 From: krug261 at yahoo.com (krug261 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 17:08:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] PS Comparison: Powerwerz SS-30DV vs. MFJ-4230MVP References: <1508886439.4918088.1552496900619.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1508886439.4918088.1552496900619@mail.yahoo.com> Greetings all, I am in the market for a compact power supply. The fact that Elecraft suggests/sells a third-party unit (SS-30DV) provides an automatic sense of comfort. However, always trying to complicate life I was also looking at the?MFJ-4230MVP. Same dimensions, weight, power connections. I do like the variable voltage control on the MFJ. Not sure why I would need it, but seems useful. I doubt if anyone has BOTH units, but even your impressions of either of them would be very helpful. Thanks and 73, Bob KA2TQVKX3 #9842 From wa2lbi at gmail.com Wed Mar 13 21:04:39 2019 From: wa2lbi at gmail.com (Ken Winterling) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 21:04:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] PS Comparison: Powerwerz SS-30DV vs. MFJ-4230MVP In-Reply-To: <1508886439.4918088.1552496900619@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1508886439.4918088.1552496900619.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1508886439.4918088.1552496900619@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bob, I use an IOTA DLS-55 SMPS power supply ( https://www.iotaengineering.com/dls55.htm). It provides 55 amps, doesn?t produce RFI, is audibly quiet, and rugged. Mine is on 24/7/365. Iota also makes them in other output currents. Ken WA2LBI On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 8:57 PM krug261--- via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > Greetings all, > > I am in the market for a compact power supply. The fact that Elecraft > suggests/sells a third-party unit (SS-30DV) provides an automatic sense of > comfort. However, always trying to complicate life I was also looking at > the MFJ-4230MVP. Same dimensions, weight, power connections. I do like the > variable voltage control on the MFJ. Not sure why I would need it, but > seems useful. > > I doubt if anyone has BOTH units, but even your impressions of either of > them would be very helpful. > Thanks and 73, Bob KA2TQVKX3 #9842 > > From richgilley123 at gmail.com Wed Mar 13 21:07:48 2019 From: richgilley123 at gmail.com (richard gilley) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 21:07:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Most helpful Message-ID: <70E4C8C8-D53C-4697-97C8-5FC5B00A4C33@gmail.com> My vote must goes to Don Wilhelm. He has a wealth of knowledge and understanding. Even though I have not experienced many issues with Elecraft hardware I did during my build of the K2, dumb stiff but I could always count on Don for his support. I have had a bit of experience at customer technical field support and I sense Don?s welcomed patience. Thank you Don Wilhelm God Speed Dick AD1G From rmcgraw at blomand.net Wed Mar 13 21:11:20 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 20:11:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] TX Gain Calibration Fails on 6 meters In-Reply-To: <67D89077-B35C-4B40-87F3-C07443D0C62C@verizon.net> References: <67D89077-B35C-4B40-87F3-C07443D0C62C@verizon.net> Message-ID: <0c83d794-2258-688d-1fd5-ed943bca625d@blomand.net> My K3S s/n 10163 I find my results are the same as yours as below. "On 6 meters the relay switches from LP to HP amplifier when the power is adjusted from 8 to 9W." "On 160-10 meters I hear the relay switch from LP to HP amplifier when the power adjustment is increased from 12 to 13W as described." Also noted with TUNE power set to 20 watts, all bands 160M - 10M operate normally at 20 watts displayed and measured. However on 6M when TUNE is activated the displayed power is 16 watts and the measured power is 16 watts. When PWR is set to 20 watts, the measured output is 16 watts. However, If I set the PWR to 100 watts the measured power is 100 watts. On 6M if I set TUNE Pwr to 25 watts, when Tune is activated it displays 21 watts and output is 21 watts. Clearly there seems to be an issue in firmware for 6M only. I recall sending the concern to Elecraft. At the same time, I don't consider it to be a major issue. 73 Bob, K4TAX From lists at subich.com Wed Mar 13 21:11:29 2019 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 21:11:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] PS Comparison: Powerwerz SS-30DV vs. MFJ-4230MVP In-Reply-To: <1508886439.4918088.1552496900619@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1508886439.4918088.1552496900619.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1508886439.4918088.1552496900619@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've had an MFJ-4125 in the closet since I purchased my first K3. Given the experience with that product and it's flaws, I would not trust another MFJ power supply for any reason. It says everything that Elecraft resell the SS-30DV. They have obviously tested and stand behind that unit - that's all the recommendation I need. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2019-03-13 1:08 PM, krug261--- via Elecraft wrote: > Greetings all, > I am in the market for a compact power supply. The fact that Elecraft suggests/sells a third-party unit (SS-30DV) provides an automatic sense of comfort. However, always trying to complicate life I was also looking at the?MFJ-4230MVP. Same dimensions, weight, power connections. I do like the variable voltage control on the MFJ. Not sure why I would need it, but seems useful. > I doubt if anyone has BOTH units, but even your impressions of either of them would be very helpful. > Thanks and 73, Bob KA2TQVKX3 #9842 From rmcgraw at blomand.net Wed Mar 13 21:16:33 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 20:16:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] PS Comparison: Powerwerz SS-30DV vs. MFJ-4230MVP In-Reply-To: <1508886439.4918088.1552496900619@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1508886439.4918088.1552496900619.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1508886439.4918088.1552496900619@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <25e5323c-ea50-cb5a-92dd-b12c90fff749@blomand.net> I use Astron SS-30M.? This supply has both volt and current meters where as the MFJ has one meter plus a switch.?? I see no need for an adjustable supply for the station.? Set it at 14.0 volts and forget it.??? I do like to see both voltage and current indicated simultaneously. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/13/2019 12:08 PM, krug261--- via Elecraft wrote: > Greetings all, > I am in the market for a compact power supply. The fact that Elecraft suggests/sells a third-party unit (SS-30DV) provides an automatic sense of comfort. However, always trying to complicate life I was also looking at the?MFJ-4230MVP. Same dimensions, weight, power connections. I do like the variable voltage control on the MFJ. Not sure why I would need it, but seems useful. > I doubt if anyone has BOTH units, but even your impressions of either of them would be very helpful. > Thanks and 73, Bob KA2TQVKX3 #9842 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From dennis at mail4life.net Wed Mar 13 22:03:23 2019 From: dennis at mail4life.net (Dennis Moore) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 19:03:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] PS Comparison: Powerwerz SS-30DV vs. MFJ-4230MVP In-Reply-To: <1508886439.4918088.1552496900619@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1508886439.4918088.1552496900619.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1508886439.4918088.1552496900619@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have the Powerwerx, relegated to the closet. One year after I got it the fan became very loud to the point of being obnoxious. Easy enough to replace but unfortunately it isn't available anywhere. BTW, I didn't get this one from Elecraft. Now a nice quiet Astron RS-50M. 73, Dennis NJ6G On 3/13/2019 10:08, krug261--- via Elecraft wrote: > Greetings all, > I am in the market for a compact power supply. The fact that Elecraft suggests/sells a third-party unit (SS-30DV) provides an automatic sense of comfort. However, always trying to complicate life I was also looking at the?MFJ-4230MVP. Same dimensions, weight, power connections. I do like the variable voltage control on the MFJ. Not sure why I would need it, but seems useful. > I doubt if anyone has BOTH units, but even your impressions of either of them would be very helpful. > Thanks and 73, Bob KA2TQVKX3 #9842 From ac5p at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 13 22:20:02 2019 From: ac5p at sbcglobal.net (Mike Maloney) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 02:20:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] PS Comparison: Powerwerz SS-30DV vs. MFJ-4230MVP In-Reply-To: References: <1508886439.4918088.1552496900619.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1508886439.4918088.1552496900619@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <456410314.4619711.1552530002902@mail.yahoo.com> Could the Powerwerx SS-30DV be the same supply as the Tekpower TP-30SWI minus the meter and a few dollars more? ?Anyone measure the efficiency of the Powerwerx, AC input vs. DC output power? ? 73, Mike AC5P On Wednesday, March 13, 2019, 09:03:41 PM CDT, Dennis Moore wrote: I have the Powerwerx, relegated to the closet. One year after I got it the fan became very loud to the point of being obnoxious. Easy enough to replace but unfortunately it isn't available anywhere. BTW, I didn't get this one from Elecraft. Now a nice quiet Astron RS-50M. 73, Dennis NJ6G On 3/13/2019 10:08, krug261--- via Elecraft wrote: > Greetings all, > I am in the market for a compact power supply. The fact that Elecraft suggests/sells a third-party unit (SS-30DV) provides an automatic sense of comfort. However, always trying to complicate life I was also looking at the?MFJ-4230MVP. Same dimensions, weight, power connections. I do like the variable voltage control on the MFJ. Not sure why I would need it, but seems useful. > I doubt if anyone has BOTH units, but even your impressions of either of them would be very helpful. > Thanks and 73, Bob KA2TQVKX3 #9842 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From Gary at ka1j.com Wed Mar 13 23:08:08 2019 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 23:08:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT WTB 1.8 KHz & WTS 1 KHz filters Message-ID: <5C89C598.30015.6B0FC1B@Gary.ka1j.com> Hi, I now need one more 1.8 KHz filter for my K3s Sub Rx. I have one 1 KHz Elecraft/Inrad that is surplus to my needs. If you have a 1.8 Elecraft/Inrad for sale or want to trade for my 1 KHz filter, or if you would like to buy my 1 KHz filter, please contact me off list. Thanks & 73, Gary KA1J From nm5ps1977 at gmail.com Wed Mar 13 23:38:19 2019 From: nm5ps1977 at gmail.com (Pete Spotts) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 21:38:19 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] PS Comparison: Powerwerz SS-30DV vs. MFJ-4230MVP In-Reply-To: <1508886439.4918088.1552496900619@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1508886439.4918088.1552496900619.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1508886439.4918088.1552496900619@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <823c8b3b-fa38-5bc4-a7bd-5943d70fab0e@arrl.net> Hi Bob, I have a Powerwerx supply, but my model is the SPS-30DM. Variable voltage, useful digital meter displaying voltage and current, and I've had no noise problems with it. It's another $50 above the SS-30DV's price, but I have no doubt noise will not be an issue with the model you listed. With best regards, Pete -- Peter N. Spotts -- NM5PS ARRL Public Information Coordinator, New Mexico Section http://www.nm5ps.net Email: nm5ps at arrl.net | Skype: pspotts AMSAT #40612 | CalQRP #67 | G-QRP #13202 | NAQCC #2446 | NEQRP #714 Polar Bear #348 | QCWA #34679 | QRP-ARCI #4174 | SKCC #4853S On 3/13/19 11:08 AM, krug261--- via Elecraft wrote: > Greetings all, > I am in the market for a compact power supply. The fact that Elecraft suggests/sells a third-party unit (SS-30DV) provides an automatic sense of comfort. However, always trying to complicate life I was also looking at the?MFJ-4230MVP. Same dimensions, weight, power connections. I do like the variable voltage control on the MFJ. Not sure why I would need it, but seems useful. > I doubt if anyone has BOTH units, but even your impressions of either of them would be very helpful. > Thanks and 73, Bob KA2TQVKX3 #9842 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jackbrindle at me.com Thu Mar 14 00:24:16 2019 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 21:24:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] TX Gain Calibration Fails on 6 meters In-Reply-To: <67D89077-B35C-4B40-87F3-C07443D0C62C@verizon.net> References: <67D89077-B35C-4B40-87F3-C07443D0C62C@verizon.net> Message-ID: <885B3660-1B65-48E7-A92A-C8415293A5B4@me.com> How are you doing the calibration - manual or computer? If computer, PC or Mac? Make sure you have the latest K3 Utility to do this. Recent versions of the K3 Utility had an issue with handling responses from the K3/K3S that caused calibration to fail. I believe they were fixed on the Windows version, but I don?t think that has been taken care of on the Mac yet. I will have to check to make sure. Repeating the process is worth while. My own experience is that it will eventually complete. 73! Jack, W6FB > On Mar 12, 2019, at 10:04 PM, Frank via Elecraft wrote: > > I purchased Elecraft K3S S/N 11672 in August 2018. The build was completed in November 2018. At that time all the tests and calibrations were completed successfully. > > Now the TX Gain Calibration fails on Low Power and High Power on 50 MHz. only. > > Page 67 of Elecraft K3S owners manual TXGN Description states LP 0-12W and > HP 13-120W. > > On 160-10 meters I hear the relay switch from LP to HP amplifier when the power adjustment is increased from 12 to 13W as described. > > On 6 meters the relay switches from LP to HP amplifier when the power is adjusted from 8 to 9W. > > The error message states ?TX Calibration failed because Transmit Power did not reach the expected value.? > > The TX calibration is performed per the instructions into a proper 50 ohm dummy load. > > I submitted this to Elecraft Support last week but have not received a response, so I thought I would ask the group for ideas. > > Thanks in advance. > > Frank > K6FW > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From lists at w2irt.net Thu Mar 14 01:45:28 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 01:45:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 tuner questions In-Reply-To: References: <040801d4d87e$430161f0$c90425d0$@w2irt.net> <37D3CA38-6B8B-4D2A-9672-CEFBEADA15A9@sdellington.us> <052201d4d954$99933a30$ccb9ae90$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <05b001d4da29$21d3a5e0$657af1a0$@w2irt.net> Well that's just it, the SWR is very, very high in the phone portions of both 40 and 80. I can't see any other way to accomplish full automated operation without the second tuner. I am loathe to have two of them together, but I just can't see any other way. I occasionally remote my own station, and even when not, I can't risk another high power/high-SWR error, so on QSY I have no alternative but to pre-tune before keydown. 40m is below 2:1 until around 7090ish, then rises very rapidly above that. It's 8:1 at 7295. 80m is below 2:1 from 3500 to 3700ish, then rises to 10:1 by 4000 (although it's closer to 5.5:1 at 3850, as high as I'll ever go. - pjd -----Original Message----- The ATU in the KPA1500 alone will achieve the 1.2:1 match with the 2.09 firmware, now in beta. The external tuner is not necessary, unless the antenna SWR is very high. 73, Scott K9MA ---------- Scott Ellington --- via iPad > On Mar 12, 2019, at 10:24 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > > Thanks, Scott! > I'm going to change the way I do things so that ATU is always in, and > the Palstar HF-Auto switches to AUTO mode rather than Manual to keep > the match seen by the KPA below 1.2:1 > > - pjd > > -----Original Message----- > From: K9MA > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 1:53 PM > To: Peter Dougherty > Cc: Reflector Elecraft > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 tuner questions > > Just a general comment on the KPA1500: My experience with it shows > that the SWR has to be below 1.2:1 at the amplifier output (ATU input) > to run reliably at full power. If the SWR is higher than that, the amp > will often fault due to excessive current or drive power before > reaching 1500 W. (And may splatter on SSB.) Elecraft recently updated > the ATU firmware to consistently find a better match, and it really helps. > > 73, > Scott K9MA > > ---------- > > Scott Ellington > > --- via iPad > >> On Mar 11, 2019, at 8:49 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: >> >> I have a couple of questions about the KPA1500's internal tuner. >> >> For the most part, I leave the tuner inline. Except for two sub-bands >> (SSB on both 40 and 80m) I am well below 2:1, and maybe 2.5:1 at the >> top end of 160m. The KPA does a good job throughout. >> >> The problems/questions arise when I need to transition between the >> KPA's internal tuner on the bottom ends of both 40 and 80, and the >> external Palstar HF-Auto tuner, which I need to wrangle very high >> SWRs on the phone portions of those bands. Obviously I don't want >> both automatic tuners inline at the same time. The situation is most >> acute on > 40. >> >> The HF-Auto (external automatic tuner) is bypassed everywhere except >> the range of 3650 to 4000, and 7100 to 7300. I would like to >> automatically have the KPA1500's tuner go into bypass at the above >> ranges, just as the Palstar auto-tuner bypasses outside of those >> ranges. Is this somehow possible, or must I manually switch the tuner >> in and out when I cross the appropriate thresholds? >> >> Second question, and I think this relates to the whole "bins" thing, >> which I don't understand, relates to having different tuning >> solutions on the same band segment. This could be handy for me on >> 80m. Unlike on 40, for 80 I have an inverted vee, and it's easy for >> me to drop the ends and change the length of the antenna, so that >> instead of being resonant at 3550 I could make it 3700. I did this >> for the ARRL-SSB contest and it worked pretty well. Is it possible to >> have two different sets of memorized tuning solutions in the >> KPA-1500, in the event I have the vee set for CW (normal) or SSB (for phone contests only)? >> >> >> --------------------------------------------- >> 73 and Good DX >> Peter, W2IRT >> >> >> >> President, North Jersey DX Association >> >> DXCC Card Checker >> Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > From lists at w2irt.net Thu Mar 14 01:50:54 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 01:50:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 tuner questions In-Reply-To: <6f281330-370c-83d0-cd3d-dbc2e24bcf37@blomand.net> References: <5c880a12.1c69fb81.93380.0e72@mx.google.com> <052401d4d954$c4a11bc0$4de35340$@w2irt.net> <79E3FED6-B69F-4623-9A04-BAE02313DD97@gmail.com> <6f281330-370c-83d0-cd3d-dbc2e24bcf37@blomand.net> Message-ID: <05b201d4da29$e3ede500$abc9af00$@w2irt.net> Hi Bob, Please see my earlier message. It's not possible to use the internal ATU in the KPA-1500 for the SSB portions of 40 and 80 meters. I use both SSB and CW on both bands. My 80m antenna is a vee that I can fold back the ends for SSB contests, and that works to a degree, but I can't work both CW and SSB in the same band. As a DXer that's not an acceptable solution. 40 is far worse. It's a shorty-40 that only has 175 kHz below 2:1, and about 200 kHz below 3:1, where power will start folding back. I vehemently dislike the Palstar. I think it's a huge waste of money, but frankly I can't see any other way to accomplish what I need to do. I can't put up a full-size 40m Yagi--my tower's very close to being overloaded now--so I have to try and make a silk purse out of the proverbial sow's ear. Yes, two tuners is a horrible solution, but the only other way is to ditch the Palstar and give up SSB operation entirely on 40m--and that's absolutely not an option. I have one feedline going from the shack to the tower and an automatic antenna switch outside. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 8:58 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 tuner questions Personally I'd try to correct the antenna issue so the tuner in the KPA1500 performs as designed. The antenna should be able, with the KPA1500 tuner, to cover then entire 75/80M band. Although I use the KAT500, same equivalent circuit, I have no issue with full band coverage on 75/80M. As to the Palstar, I'd take Jim's advice, and find it a new home. Two automatic tuners in line is a formula for disaster as I view it. If you wish to use the Palstar all of the time, then set the one in the KPA1500 to bypass all of the time. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/13/2019 5:01 AM, Dave wrote: > The problem you will run into is if the antenna SWR changes above the threshold for both the KPA1500 tuner and HF Auto bothtuners will initiate a retune and the two will be fighting each other. > > Example - ice, branches against antenna, etc. > > For the bands where you need to use the HF Auto, you are better off leaving the KPA1500 in bypass. > > Dave wo2x > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Mar 13, 2019, at 12:25 AM, Peter Dougherty wrote: >> >> I think instead I'll go the route of always leaving it in line, but that >> method would certainly work too! Thanks, Paul! >> >> >> >> - pjd >> >> >> >> From: Paul Baldock >> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 3:36 PM >> To: Peter Dougherty ; 'Reflector Elecraft' >> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 tuner questions >> >> >> >> At 07:49 PM 3/11/2019, Peter Dougherty wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> The HF-Auto (external automatic tuner) is bypassed everywhere except the >> range of 3650 to 4000, and 7100 to 7300. I would like to automatically have >> the KPA1500's tuner go into bypass at the above ranges, >> >> >> One method (there are others) is to connect a dummy load to the KPA1500, and >> do a TUNE for each bin in those ranges. The tuner will then learn to go into >> BYPASS for those BINS. >> >> - Paul >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From lists at w2irt.net Thu Mar 14 01:53:23 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 01:53:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 tuner questions In-Reply-To: <5c8917c6.1c69fb81.d55b5.fd92@mx.google.com> References: <5c880a12.1c69fb81.93380.0e72@mx.google.com> <052401d4d954$c4a11bc0$4de35340$@w2irt.net> <79E3FED6-B69F-4623-9A04-BAE02313DD97@gmail.com> <5c8917c6.1c69fb81.d55b5.fd92@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <05b401d4da2a$3d064650$b712d2f0$@w2irt.net> Good point. Done! What I have now is both tuners are ONLY in on the SSB portions of 40/80. Everywhere else the Palstar is electrically bypassed...but I can't remove it entirely for reasons stated in my previous posts. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Paul Baldock Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 10:46 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 tuner questions At 03:01 AM 3/13/2019, you wrote: >The problem you will run into is if the antenna SWR changes above the >threshold for both the KPA1500 tuner and HF Auto bothtuners will >initiate a retune and the two will be fighting each other. I suggest you set KPA1500 "ATU HISWR RETUNE" to "OFF". The last thing you want is for the ATU to start tuning when you don't expect it, such as when you choose the wrong antenna by mistake. - Paul ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Mar 14 02:51:58 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 23:51:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 tuner questions In-Reply-To: <05b001d4da29$21d3a5e0$657af1a0$@w2irt.net> References: <040801d4d87e$430161f0$c90425d0$@w2irt.net> <37D3CA38-6B8B-4D2A-9672-CEFBEADA15A9@sdellington.us> <052201d4d954$99933a30$ccb9ae90$@w2irt.net> <05b001d4da29$21d3a5e0$657af1a0$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: On 3/13/2019 10:45 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > Well that's just it, the SWR is very, very high in the phone portions of > both 40 and 80. Here's a VERY old solution that W6NL has taught to his EE classes. When I asked him about it, he says it's not his original idea, far older than him. Tune your 80M dipole to 3675 kHz, feed it with a half-wave of 50 ohm coax starting at the antenna, then a quarter wave of 75 ohm line. Line lengths are at 3675 kHz. Add 50 ohm coax as needed to reach the shack, or coil up the excess if those two lengths are too long. The result will be SWR below 2:1 from 3500 kHz to 3900 kHz. With good RG213 and RG11, Line loss is about 0.5 dB at the resonant point and about 0.7 dB at the limits. If you want to do some engineering, you can probably tame that 40M antenna too. Here's a tutorial applications note. http://k9yc.com/PacificonSmithChart.pdf 73, Jim K9YC From K8UT at charter.net Thu Mar 14 05:36:22 2019 From: K8UT at charter.net (Larry (K8UT)) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 09:36:22 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 tuner questions In-Reply-To: <05b001d4da29$21d3a5e0$657af1a0$@w2irt.net> References: <040801d4d87e$430161f0$c90425d0$@w2irt.net> <37D3CA38-6B8B-4D2A-9672-CEFBEADA15A9@sdellington.us> <052201d4d954$99933a30$ccb9ae90$@w2irt.net> <05b001d4da29$21d3a5e0$657af1a0$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: Peter, Could you use a fancy Band Decoder that provides auxiliary outputs based on operating frequency (not band)? Use the auxiliary outputs to automatically enable/disable the Palstar tuner when your 40 and 80 operating frequencies require. Otherwise keep the Palstar out of circuit. See: www.hamprojects.info/FreqEZ -larry (K8UT) ------ Original Message ------ From: "Peter Dougherty" To: "'K9MA'" Cc: "'Reflector Elecraft'" Sent: 2019-03-14 01:45:28 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 tuner questions >Well that's just it, the SWR is very, very high in the phone portions of >both 40 and 80. > >I can't see any other way to accomplish full automated operation without the >second tuner. I am loathe to have two of them together, but I just can't see >any other way. I occasionally remote my own station, and even when not, I >can't risk another high power/high-SWR error, so on QSY I have no >alternative but to pre-tune before keydown. > >40m is below 2:1 until around 7090ish, then rises very rapidly above that. >It's 8:1 at 7295. >80m is below 2:1 from 3500 to 3700ish, then rises to 10:1 by 4000 (although >it's closer to 5.5:1 at 3850, as high as I'll ever go. > > - pjd > >-----Original Message----- > >The ATU in the KPA1500 alone will achieve the 1.2:1 match with the 2.09 >firmware, now in beta. The external tuner is not necessary, unless the >antenna SWR is very high. > >73, >Scott K9MA > >---------- > >Scott Ellington > > --- via iPad > >> On Mar 12, 2019, at 10:24 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: >> >> Thanks, Scott! >> I'm going to change the way I do things so that ATU is always in, and >> the Palstar HF-Auto switches to AUTO mode rather than Manual to keep >> the match seen by the KPA below 1.2:1 >> >> - pjd >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: K9MA >> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 1:53 PM >> To: Peter Dougherty >> Cc: Reflector Elecraft >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 tuner questions >> >> Just a general comment on the KPA1500: My experience with it shows >> that the SWR has to be below 1.2:1 at the amplifier output (ATU input) >> to run reliably at full power. If the SWR is higher than that, the amp >> will often fault due to excessive current or drive power before >> reaching 1500 W. (And may splatter on SSB.) Elecraft recently updated >> the ATU firmware to consistently find a better match, and it really helps. >> >> 73, >> Scott K9MA >> >> ---------- >> >> Scott Ellington >> >> --- via iPad >> >>> On Mar 11, 2019, at 8:49 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: >>> >>> I have a couple of questions about the KPA1500's internal tuner. >>> >>> For the most part, I leave the tuner inline. Except for two sub-bands >>> (SSB on both 40 and 80m) I am well below 2:1, and maybe 2.5:1 at the >>> top end of 160m. The KPA does a good job throughout. >>> >>> The problems/questions arise when I need to transition between the >>> KPA's internal tuner on the bottom ends of both 40 and 80, and the >>> external Palstar HF-Auto tuner, which I need to wrangle very high >>> SWRs on the phone portions of those bands. Obviously I don't want >>> both automatic tuners inline at the same time. The situation is most >>> acute on >> 40. >>> >>> The HF-Auto (external automatic tuner) is bypassed everywhere except >>> the range of 3650 to 4000, and 7100 to 7300. I would like to >>> automatically have the KPA1500's tuner go into bypass at the above >>> ranges, just as the Palstar auto-tuner bypasses outside of those >>> ranges. Is this somehow possible, or must I manually switch the tuner >>> in and out when I cross the appropriate thresholds? >>> >>> Second question, and I think this relates to the whole "bins" thing, >>> which I don't understand, relates to having different tuning >>> solutions on the same band segment. This could be handy for me on >>> 80m. Unlike on 40, for 80 I have an inverted vee, and it's easy for >>> me to drop the ends and change the length of the antenna, so that >>> instead of being resonant at 3550 I could make it 3700. I did this >>> for the ARRL-SSB contest and it worked pretty well. Is it possible to >>> have two different sets of memorized tuning solutions in the >>> KPA-1500, in the event I have the vee set for CW (normal) or SSB (for >phone contests only)? >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------- >>> 73 and Good DX >>> Peter, W2IRT >>> >>> >>> >>> President, North Jersey DX Association >>> >>> DXCC Card Checker >>> Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>> email >>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> > > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From k9jri at mac.com Thu Mar 14 10:12:05 2019 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 10:12:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Where is the 1500 KHz. HPF in the K3/K3s References: Message-ID: <988FFE84-44EB-4219-8DD9-D844E37F0F5C@mac.com> Can anyone provide me with the location of the 160M HPF on the K3s schematic? On the KX3 schematic it is clearly labeled ?1.8 KHz. HPF? but I have been unable to find the similar circuit on the K3s schematic. Since you must use the RX IN connector to receive on 630M it is obviously in the circuit but I cannot find it on the drawings. Any help? 73 - Mike - K9JRI > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Michael Blake via Elecraft > Subject: [Elecraft] Where is the 1500 KHz. HPF in the K3/K3s > Date: March 10, 2019 at 9:38:49 AM EDT > To: Elecraft Mailing List > Reply-To: Michael Blake > > I understand that a BCB HPF is necessary to protect the PIN diode switches from BCB (Broadcast Band) overload but I can not find it in the K3s schematics. Can anyone tell me which sheet and components make up this filter. > > I understand that to receive 630M you bypass the HP filter by using the RX IN but I am curious where it is on the schematic. > > Michael Blake > k9jri at mac.com > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From k9jri at mac.com Thu Mar 14 10:15:38 2019 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 10:15:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Where is the 1500 KHz. HPF in the K3/K3s In-Reply-To: <988FFE84-44EB-4219-8DD9-D844E37F0F5C@mac.com> References: <988FFE84-44EB-4219-8DD9-D844E37F0F5C@mac.com> Message-ID: Correction - "1.8MHz HPF" 73 - Mike - K9JRI > On Mar 14, 2019, at 10:12 AM, Michael Blake via Elecraft wrote: > > > Can anyone provide me with the location of the 160M HPF on the K3s schematic? On the KX3 schematic it is clearly labeled ?1.8 KHz. HPF? but I have been unable to find the similar circuit on the K3s schematic. > > Since you must use the RX IN connector to receive on 630M it is obviously in the circuit but I cannot find it on the drawings. > > Any help? > > 73 - Mike - K9JRI > > > > > >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> From: Michael Blake via Elecraft >> Subject: [Elecraft] Where is the 1500 KHz. HPF in the K3/K3s >> Date: March 10, 2019 at 9:38:49 AM EDT >> To: Elecraft Mailing List >> Reply-To: Michael Blake >> >> I understand that a BCB HPF is necessary to protect the PIN diode switches from BCB (Broadcast Band) overload but I can not find it in the K3s schematics. Can anyone tell me which sheet and components make up this filter. >> >> I understand that to receive 630M you bypass the HP filter by using the RX IN but I am curious where it is on the schematic. >> >> Michael Blake >> k9jri at mac.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From dave at nk7z.net Thu Mar 14 10:51:09 2019 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 07:51:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Use of David Clarke Headsets Message-ID: <5ae8e87a-a086-0999-3929-34ed6e40738e@nk7z.net> Hi, Has anyone interfaced a set of DC H7030 headsets to a K3? If so, what were the results? Did they work, how did they sound on receive and transmit? I have inherited a set, and am considering using them, and looking for thoughts on this prior to getting them connected... -- 73s and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Technical Specialist ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL OOC for Oregon From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Mar 14 10:58:51 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 10:58:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 tuner questions In-Reply-To: References: <040801d4d87e$430161f0$c90425d0$@w2irt.net> <37D3CA38-6B8B-4D2A-9672-CEFBEADA15A9@sdellington.us> <052201d4d954$99933a30$ccb9ae90$@w2irt.net> <05b001d4da29$21d3a5e0$657af1a0$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <423f1276-1621-34e9-f61b-e627dca759e1@embarqmail.com> That is the antenna I use on 80 meters. It has a double-humped SWR response and stays below 2:1 between 3500 and 3900kHz. Up at 4000kHz it is a little higher than 3:1. The 1/4 wave 75 ohm section is a transmission line transformer. The 1/2 wave 50 ohm line repeats the impedance at the antenna feedpoint. Mine is an inverted Vee with a 120 degree angle at the apex. Since the 75 ohm section is 1/2 wavelength on 40 meters, the same feedline can be used on 40. So I also have two radiator wires for at right angles to the 80 meter radiator. Being at right angles, there is no interaction. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/14/2019 2:51 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > > Here's a VERY old solution that W6NL has taught to his EE classes. When > I asked him about it, he says it's not his original idea, far older than > him. > > Tune your 80M dipole to 3675 kHz, feed it with a half-wave of 50 ohm > coax starting at the antenna, then a quarter wave of 75 ohm line. Line > lengths are at 3675 kHz. Add 50 ohm coax as needed to reach the shack, > or coil up the excess if those two lengths are too long. The result will > be SWR below 2:1 from 3500 kHz to 3900 kHz. With good RG213 and RG11, > Line loss is about 0.5 dB at the resonant point and about 0.7 dB at the > limits. > > If you want to do some engineering, you can probably tame that 40M > antenna too. Here's a tutorial applications note. > http://k9yc.com/PacificonSmithChart.pdf > > 73, Jim K9YC From eric.csuf at gmail.com Thu Mar 14 12:07:30 2019 From: eric.csuf at gmail.com (EricJ) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 09:07:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] PS Comparison: Powerwerz SS-30DV vs. MFJ-4230MVP In-Reply-To: <823c8b3b-fa38-5bc4-a7bd-5943d70fab0e@arrl.net> References: <1508886439.4918088.1552496900619.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1508886439.4918088.1552496900619@mail.yahoo.com> <823c8b3b-fa38-5bc4-a7bd-5943d70fab0e@arrl.net> Message-ID: <05b415d6-c9f7-64a6-2fe5-f5005905f1da@gmail.com> I've had the SPS-30DM for 7 or 8 years. I use it to power a K2/10 and K2/100 plus all the external accessories. Quiet, absolutely solid as a brick. It replaced an old Astron RM-20A which would make a nice foot warmer and massager. Very happy the the SPS and Powerwerx in general. I buy nearly all my 12v power connectors from them. Eric KE6US On 3/13/2019 8:38 PM, Pete Spotts wrote: > Hi Bob, > > I have a Powerwerx supply, but my model is the SPS-30DM. Variable > voltage, useful digital meter displaying voltage and current, and I've > had no noise problems with it. It's another $50 above the SS-30DV's > price, but I have no doubt noise will not be an issue with the model > you listed. > > With best regards, > > Pete > -- > > Peter N. Spotts -- NM5PS > ARRL Public Information Coordinator, New Mexico Section > http://www.nm5ps.net?? Email: nm5ps at arrl.net | Skype: pspotts > AMSAT #40612 | CalQRP #67 | G-QRP #13202 | NAQCC #2446 | NEQRP #714 > Polar Bear #348 | QCWA #34679 | QRP-ARCI #4174 | SKCC #4853S > > On 3/13/19 11:08 AM, krug261--- via Elecraft wrote: >> Greetings all, >> I am in the market for a compact power supply. The fact that Elecraft >> suggests/sells a third-party unit (SS-30DV) provides an automatic >> sense of comfort. However, always trying to complicate life I was >> also looking at the?MFJ-4230MVP. Same dimensions, weight, power >> connections. I do like the variable voltage control on the MFJ. Not >> sure why I would need it, but seems useful. >> I doubt if anyone has BOTH units, but even your impressions of either >> of them would be very helpful. >> Thanks and 73, Bob KA2TQVKX3 #9842 >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Mar 14 14:11:37 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 11:11:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Use of David Clarke Headsets In-Reply-To: <5ae8e87a-a086-0999-3929-34ed6e40738e@nk7z.net> References: <5ae8e87a-a086-0999-3929-34ed6e40738e@nk7z.net> Message-ID: On 3/14/2019 7:51 AM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: > Has anyone interfaced a set of DC H7030 headsets to a K3?? If so, what > were the results?? Did they work, how did they sound on receive and > transmit?? I have inherited a set, and am considering using them, and > looking for thoughts on this prior to getting them connected... No reason why they shouldn't work -- figure out how the cable is wired, put connectors on the cable, and plug it in! The real issue with David Clark headsets is comfort. I've tied them on more than once and found them to be an instrument of torture, but comfort with headphones is quite personal, depending on how our heads and ears are shaped, so YMMV. 73, Jim K9YC From lrahnz at garlic.com Thu Mar 14 14:15:05 2019 From: lrahnz at garlic.com (Logan R Zintsmaster) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 11:15:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] PS Comparison: Powerwerz SS-30DV vs. MFJ-4230MVP In-Reply-To: <05b415d6-c9f7-64a6-2fe5-f5005905f1da@gmail.com> References: <1508886439.4918088.1552496900619.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1508886439.4918088.1552496900619@mail.yahoo.com> <823c8b3b-fa38-5bc4-a7bd-5943d70fab0e@arrl.net> <05b415d6-c9f7-64a6-2fe5-f5005905f1da@gmail.com> Message-ID: <325039D7-55EB-4AAC-AD86-40F5979B498D@garlic.com> I have both. Internally, the main circuit card is the same in both supplies. Hence, the similar packaging and form factor. There are places on the main board for different options, like the metering, voltage adjustment, etc. and that?s how they get the different models and brands. I?ve had no noise problems with either one. I have replaced a couple of fans on my Powerwerx supplies. Logan, KZ6O Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 14, 2019, at 9:07 AM, EricJ wrote: > > I've had the SPS-30DM for 7 or 8 years. I use it to power a K2/10 and K2/100 plus all the external accessories. Quiet, absolutely solid as a brick. It replaced an old Astron RM-20A which would make a nice foot warmer and massager. Very happy the the SPS and Powerwerx in general. I buy nearly all my 12v power connectors from them. > > Eric KE6US > >> On 3/13/2019 8:38 PM, Pete Spotts wrote: >> Hi Bob, >> >> I have a Powerwerx supply, but my model is the SPS-30DM. Variable voltage, useful digital meter displaying voltage and current, and I've had no noise problems with it. It's another $50 above the SS-30DV's price, but I have no doubt noise will not be an issue with the model you listed. >> >> With best regards, >> >> Pete >> -- >> >> Peter N. Spotts -- NM5PS >> ARRL Public Information Coordinator, New Mexico Section >> http://www.nm5ps.net Email: nm5ps at arrl.net | Skype: pspotts >> AMSAT #40612 | CalQRP #67 | G-QRP #13202 | NAQCC #2446 | NEQRP #714 >> Polar Bear #348 | QCWA #34679 | QRP-ARCI #4174 | SKCC #4853S >> >>> On 3/13/19 11:08 AM, krug261--- via Elecraft wrote: >>> Greetings all, >>> I am in the market for a compact power supply. The fact that Elecraft suggests/sells a third-party unit (SS-30DV) provides an automatic sense of comfort. However, always trying to complicate life I was also looking at the MFJ-4230MVP. Same dimensions, weight, power connections. I do like the variable voltage control on the MFJ. Not sure why I would need it, but seems useful. >>> I doubt if anyone has BOTH units, but even your impressions of either of them would be very helpful. >>> Thanks and 73, Bob KA2TQVKX3 #9842 >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From a.durbin at msn.com Thu Mar 14 14:28:49 2019 From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 18:28:49 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] PS Comparison: Powerwerz SS-30DV vs. MFJ-4230MVP Message-ID: The MFJ-4230MVP, Powerwerx SS-30DV, and Powerwerx SPS-30DM appear to be three of many variants of the same basic power supply. I have the Jetstream JTPS31MB which seems to be one of the same family. It has several different "punch-outs" to allow it to be produced in several different configurations. I expect they all come off the same production line. I have been running this power power for over 6 years to power my TS-590S and a few ancillaries. It was worked well but there have been a few issues: * The fan became very noisy. This was fixed by relaxing the securing bolts and placing thin spacers between the fan and the rear panel. * There is also no provision for isolating the negative side of the supply from ground. My attempts to provide that isolation had unintended consequences so I removed the mod. My guess is they are all the same inside and the choice should be made based on preference for metering, voltage adjustment, and terminal configuration. Andy, k3wyc From gwj at wb9jps.com Thu Mar 14 14:47:14 2019 From: gwj at wb9jps.com (Gary Johnson) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 11:47:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] PS Comparison: Powerwerz SS-30DV vs. MFJ-4230MVP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > * The fan became very noisy. This was fixed by relaxing the securing bolts and placing thin spacers between the fan and the rear panel. Better solution: Get an ultra-quiet fan. I?ve replaced every fan in every power supply, computer, and piece of test equipment that I own. Totally inaudible, and cheap. They come in all sizes and various airflows and include compliant mounts. This $13, 60mm one I got from Amazon fit my little Samlex 1223: Nanoxia Deep Silence Fan 60mm 2000rpm Cooling, NDS60-2000 -Gary NA6O From dave at nk7z.net Thu Mar 14 15:13:36 2019 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 12:13:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Use of David Clarke Headsets In-Reply-To: References: <5ae8e87a-a086-0999-3929-34ed6e40738e@nk7z.net> Message-ID: Thanks Jim! 73s and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Technical Specialist ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL OOC for Oregon On 3/14/19 11:11 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > On 3/14/2019 7:51 AM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: >> Has anyone interfaced a set of DC H7030 headsets to a K3?? If so, what >> were the results?? Did they work, how did they sound on receive and >> transmit?? I have inherited a set, and am considering using them, and >> looking for thoughts on this prior to getting them connected... > > No reason why they shouldn't work -- figure out how the cable is wired, > put connectors on the cable, and plug it in! The real issue with David > Clark headsets is comfort. I've tied them on more than once and found > them to be an instrument of torture, but comfort with headphones is > quite personal, depending on how our heads and ears are shaped, so YMMV. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From mike.walkington at gmail.com Thu Mar 14 17:47:48 2019 From: mike.walkington at gmail.com (Mike Walkington) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 08:47:48 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] A New Choke Book - Some Questions Message-ID: Hi Jim, Thanks for the New Choke Cookbook. Looking at your data, it seems to me that I could build a two core choke for the higher frequency bands and "spread" the overall choking impedance out by using different turns on each core, ie 11 turns on a 2.4" and 12 turns on a 2.4" . I believe there are no issues doing so, but would appreciate your confirmation. Also, do you have any guidance on the spacing required when packaging a two core choke, ie if the two cores were in a box, what vertical spacing is required between them? Cheers Mike, VK1OO From ve3bwp at gmail.com Thu Mar 14 18:36:47 2019 From: ve3bwp at gmail.com (Brian Pietrzyk (ve3bwp)) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 18:36:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD Function key #'s mapping/Macro Assignments not matching K3 util assignments Message-ID: <2B171BFD-F498-4B91-9ED3-C04871C314B2@gmail.com> I read through the archive and found no mention of this issue: I just got a k-Pod and a K3s and am wanting to program Function keys but the tap assignments don?t seem to work. The hold ones seem to. I am referring to table 11-3 / p 235 in the Fred Kady K3s pdf ebook. The table says tap F1-F8 should map to K3 Macros 9-16, Hold F1-F8 should map to K3 Macros 1-8. I assigned F1 Tap to VFO FINE and Hold F1 to VFO Course. By putting SWT49; and SWH49; commands in Macro 1 & 9 lines respectively and this works as expected. For F2 TAP I just want to toggle NR on/off. So I put SWT34; into Macro 10. When I tap F2 nothing happens and VFO B displays MACRO 1. So I put SWT34; into MACRO 2 and Hold F2 works as expected. NR toggles on/off and VFO B displays MACRO 2 as expected when I hold F2. Not sure why Tap F2 acting this way? I have the same issue with F3 & F4. I assigned BAND ^ and BAND v to tap and nothing happens and VFO B display MACRO 1. Hold F3&4 Works fine. So essentially I can only get Tap F1 to work. I have to Hold the get the rest of the function keys to work. I tried reloading the firmware into the Kpod and no change. Did I get a defective KPOD? Thanks, Brian ve3bwp From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Thu Mar 14 18:51:59 2019 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 15:51:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD Function key #'s mapping/Macro Assignments not matching K3 util assignments In-Reply-To: <2B171BFD-F498-4B91-9ED3-C04871C314B2@gmail.com> References: <2B171BFD-F498-4B91-9ED3-C04871C314B2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2cb5c446-37f7-2061-325a-fa6d518ffc77@triconet.org> Do you have the latest FW in your K3S? On 3/14/2019 3:36 PM, Brian Pietrzyk (ve3bwp) wrote: > I read through the archive and found no mention of this issue: > > I just got a k-Pod and a K3s and am wanting to program Function keys but the tap assignments don?t seem to work. The hold ones seem to. > > I am referring to table 11-3 / p 235 in the Fred Kady K3s pdf ebook. > > The table says tap F1-F8 should map to K3 Macros 9-16, Hold F1-F8 should map to K3 Macros 1-8. > > I assigned F1 Tap to VFO FINE and Hold F1 to VFO Course. By putting SWT49; and SWH49; commands in Macro 1 & 9 lines respectively and this works as expected. > > For F2 TAP I just want to toggle NR on/off. So I put SWT34; into Macro 10. When I tap F2 nothing happens and VFO B displays MACRO 1. So I put SWT34; into MACRO 2 and Hold F2 works as expected. NR toggles on/off and VFO B displays MACRO 2 as expected when I hold F2. Not sure why Tap F2 acting this way? > > I have the same issue with F3 & F4. I assigned BAND ^ and BAND v to tap and nothing happens and VFO B display MACRO 1. Hold F3&4 Works fine. > > So essentially I can only get Tap F1 to work. I have to Hold the get the rest of the function keys to work. I tried reloading the firmware into the Kpod and no change. Did I get a defective KPOD? > > Thanks, > > Brian ve3bwp > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From cfwirth at hotmail.com Thu Mar 14 20:57:21 2019 From: cfwirth at hotmail.com (Charlie Wirth) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 00:57:21 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote On/Off KPA-1500 Message-ID: Hello: I recently purchased a KPA-1500 amplifier. I would like to be able to turn on the amplifier remotely. The manual says to apply 12v to the REM jack. I was wondering if anyone is doing this and what they are using to apply the 12 volts. Thanks, Charlie W3DDF From dick at elecraft.com Thu Mar 14 21:08:18 2019 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 18:08:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote On/Off KPA-1500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Some do this with an RCA cable from the K3 rear panel 12v line to the amp REM connector. The amp turns on and off with the rig. Current draw is minimal; you can also use the same K3 12v to power your P3. 73 de Dick, K6KR > On Mar 14, 2019, at 17:57, Charlie Wirth wrote: > > Hello: > > I recently purchased a KPA-1500 amplifier. I would like to be able to turn on the amplifier remotely. The manual says to apply 12v to the REM jack. I was wondering if anyone is doing this and what they are using to apply the 12 volts. > > Thanks, > > Charlie W3DDF > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From kq6dv73 at gmail.com Thu Mar 14 21:34:47 2019 From: kq6dv73 at gmail.com (Tom Johnson) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 18:34:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Power Supply Melt Down Message-ID: <1552613687279-0.post@n2.nabble.com> I just completed my K1 RF Board through to the DC Voltage Checks section. I plugged into a 12 V Battery Pack and did not get any smoke from the board when I turned on S1. But I did not get a voltage reading from pin 15 on P1. I did get a reading between 3.8 - 4.2 on P1 pin 16. I went back to trying to get a reading from P1 pin 15, and then noticed my battery pack (8 1.5 V AA) was bubbling and melting down - very HOT! Does anyone have any clues as to what went wrong? My only guess is if RFC1 (33 uH RF choke) and RFC4 (100 uH RF choke) are directional, I may have them reversed: I thought like resistors they are not directional. 73 -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From k9yeq at live.com Thu Mar 14 22:24:53 2019 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 02:24:53 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Power Supply Melt Down In-Reply-To: <1552613687279-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1552613687279-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Chokes are not directional. Check your board for solder bridges and let us know what find. Since the board is mostly discreet parts, start looking at the battery connection and work your way into the circuitry. Is a part blackened, or very dark? 73, Bill K9YEQ ________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of Tom Johnson Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 8:34:47 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Power Supply Melt Down I just completed my K1 RF Board through to the DC Voltage Checks section. I plugged into a 12 V Battery Pack and did not get any smoke from the board when I turned on S1. But I did not get a voltage reading from pin 15 on P1. I did get a reading between 3.8 - 4.2 on P1 pin 16. I went back to trying to get a reading from P1 pin 15, and then noticed my battery pack (8 1.5 V AA) was bubbling and melting down - very HOT! Does anyone have any clues as to what went wrong? My only guess is if RFC1 (33 uH RF choke) and RFC4 (100 uH RF choke) are directional, I may have them reversed: I thought like resistors they are not directional. 73 -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From esteptony at gmail.com Thu Mar 14 22:52:53 2019 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 21:52:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 No meter indication when transmitting digital Message-ID: I have been operating with FT8 and WSPR lately. Both use an audio-generated digital signal just like any AFSK mode. I tune up my transmitter to show 4-5 bars on ALC. Everything seems to work at first, but after one or two transmissions the display shows only one bar on the left and one on the right -- and if I move the Mic Gain, all bars disappear leaving a blank display. The transmit light stays on but I can't tell if I'm transmitting any audio or not. What's going on?? thanks, Tony KT0NY From lists at w2irt.net Thu Mar 14 23:59:01 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 23:59:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 tuner questions In-Reply-To: <423f1276-1621-34e9-f61b-e627dca759e1@embarqmail.com> References: <040801d4d87e$430161f0$c90425d0$@w2irt.net> <37D3CA38-6B8B-4D2A-9672-CEFBEADA15A9@sdellington.us> <052201d4d954$99933a30$ccb9ae90$@w2irt.net> <05b001d4da29$21d3a5e0$657af1a0$@w2irt.net> <423f1276-1621-34e9-f61b-e627dca759e1@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <060001d4dae3$6d330ac0$47992040$@w2irt.net> I love this idea, but there's one problem, though. I only have one coax line leading out of the shack. It runs from the Palstar (or it could run from the KPA-1500) to the input of my antenna switch. I have 5 antennas connected off that--three Yagis, and the 80m vee off the tower, and a 160 inverted-L in the back-40. Antenna-2 on the K3s is my 6m antenna, and if I take the Palstar out of line, how do I feed the vee separately? My 80m vee is also at about a 120 degree angle, about 65' at the apex, and it plays REALLY well to Europe, the Pacific and North America. It doesn't do squat to Asia, unfortunately. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 10:59 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 tuner questions That is the antenna I use on 80 meters. It has a double-humped SWR response and stays below 2:1 between 3500 and 3900kHz. Up at 4000kHz it is a little higher than 3:1. The 1/4 wave 75 ohm section is a transmission line transformer. The 1/2 wave 50 ohm line repeats the impedance at the antenna feedpoint. Mine is an inverted Vee with a 120 degree angle at the apex. Since the 75 ohm section is 1/2 wavelength on 40 meters, the same feedline can be used on 40. So I also have two radiator wires for at right angles to the 80 meter radiator. Being at right angles, there is no interaction. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/14/2019 2:51 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > > Here's a VERY old solution that W6NL has taught to his EE classes. > When I asked him about it, he says it's not his original idea, far > older than him. > > Tune your 80M dipole to 3675 kHz, feed it with a half-wave of 50 ohm > coax starting at the antenna, then a quarter wave of 75 ohm line. Line > lengths are at 3675 kHz. Add 50 ohm coax as needed to reach the shack, > or coil up the excess if those two lengths are too long. The result > will be SWR below 2:1 from 3500 kHz to 3900 kHz. With good RG213 and > RG11, Line loss is about 0.5 dB at the resonant point and about 0.7 dB > at the limits. > > If you want to do some engineering, you can probably tame that 40M > antenna too. Here's a tutorial applications note. > http://k9yc.com/PacificonSmithChart.pdf > > 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From merv.k9fd at gmail.com Fri Mar 15 00:39:14 2019 From: merv.k9fd at gmail.com (K9FD) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 18:39:14 -1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Filter and W8ZR Pro 2 In-Reply-To: <66d5309c-8688-5d97-6a2f-8696fe89795c@embarqmail.com> References: <66d5309c-8688-5d97-6a2f-8696fe89795c@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Two Questions, Anyone have a 1KHZ filter they are parting with? Looking for a fair priced 1KHZ. Second,? is anyone using a W8ZR station Pro 2 with the K3? Just bought a station Pro2 and wanting to set it up for my multiple k3 set up.?? Looking to run USB through the Pro2 to switch to each radio.? Anyone done that? Thank 73 Merv K9FD From frantz at pwpconsult.com Fri Mar 15 00:59:54 2019 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 21:59:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 No meter indication when transmitting digital In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If I remember correctly, the KX3 can show zero bars when overdriven. I's easy to check. Just bring the level up slowly from zero and check that the ALC rises slowly. Remember that there are at least 3 AF level controls. The one in the program, the OS level control, and the knob on the KX3. I don't know why any of them would change suddenly though. An external RF power meter or another receiver can check if you are transmitting. 73 Bill AE6JV On 3/14/19 at 7:52 PM, esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) wrote: >I have been operating with FT8 and WSPR lately. Both use an audio-generated >digital signal just like any AFSK mode. I tune up my transmitter to show >4-5 bars on ALC. Everything seems to work at first, but after one or two >transmissions the display shows only one bar on the left and one on the >right -- and if I move the Mic Gain, all bars disappear leaving a blank >display. The transmit light stays on but I can't tell if I'm transmitting >any audio or not. What's going on?? > >thanks, >Tony KT0NY ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Concurrency is hard. 12 out | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | 10 programmers get it wrong. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | - Jeff Frantz | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Mar 15 04:08:24 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 01:08:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] A New Choke Book - Some Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <03b303dd-1ac8-1ca3-8edd-1acca5e70bec@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 3/14/2019 2:47 PM, Mike Walkington wrote: > Hi Jim, > > Thanks for the New Choke Cookbook. > Looking at your data, it seems to me that I could build a two core > choke for the higher frequency bands and "spread" the overall choking > impedance out by using different turns on each core, ie 11 turns on a > 2.4" and 12 turns on a 2.4" . I believe there are no issues doing so, > but would appreciate your confirmation. Right, and I say that in the text. > > Also, do you have any guidance on the spacing required when packaging > a two core choke, ie if the two cores were in a box, what vertical > spacing is required between them? I have done no research on that. If putting chokes in an enclosure it must be vented to prevent destructive failure due to overheating. That is also addressed in the text, and with a photo. 73, Jim K9YC > > Cheers > Mike, VK1OO > From lladerman at earthlink.net Fri Mar 15 07:42:38 2019 From: lladerman at earthlink.net (W0FK) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 04:42:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 Message-ID: <1552650158704-0.post@n2.nabble.com> I?m looking for a KPA500 and KAT500 combo. Please contact let me know age, s/n's, cables sold with it and asking price shipped to a business address in 63141. Will consider sellers with only one of the two. 73, Lou, W0FK ----- St. Louis, MO "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." Albert Einstein -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From rmcgraw at blomand.net Fri Mar 15 09:13:50 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 08:13:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 No meter indication when transmitting digital In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8dc3cefb-ff13-b972-60b5-9c75331fe202@blomand.net> If my understanding is correct AFSK is optimized for RTTY where as DATA A is for other audio digital modes.? If operating AFSK then the range or frequency of the tones are critical, being optimized for the RTTY tones, ? unlike DATA A which will cover 200 Hz to 2700 Hz.? Sounds like operating in the incorrect mode for FT-8. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/14/2019 11:59 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > If I remember correctly, the KX3 can show zero bars when overdriven. > I's easy to check. Just bring the level up slowly from zero and check > that the ALC rises slowly. > > Remember that there are at least 3 AF level controls. The one in the > program, the OS level control, and the knob on the KX3. > > I don't know why any of them would change suddenly though. > > An external RF power meter or another receiver can check if you are > transmitting. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > On 3/14/19 at 7:52 PM, esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) wrote: > >> I have been operating with FT8 and WSPR lately. Both use an >> audio-generated >> digital signal just like any AFSK mode. I tune up my transmitter to show >> 4-5 bars on ALC. Everything seems to work at first, but after one or two >> transmissions the display shows only one bar on the left and one on the >> right -- and if I move the Mic Gain, all bars disappear leaving a blank >> display. The transmit light stays on but I can't tell if I'm >> transmitting >> any audio or not. What's going on?? >> >> thanks, >> Tony KT0NY > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz??????? | Concurrency is hard. 12 out? | Periwinkle > (408)356-8506????? | 10 programmers get it wrong. | 16345 Englewood Ave > www.pwpconsult.com |??????????????? - Jeff Frantz | Los Gatos, CA 95032 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Mar 15 10:36:40 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 10:36:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 No meter indication when transmitting digital In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57320e80-42c1-0f55-a852-6ef069233e78@embarqmail.com> Tony, Check your audio level settings - there are at least 3, the KX3 mic gain, the soundcard level in your OS and any "Power" slider in your software application, and if you are using a SignaLink, there is a 4th, the knob on the SignaLink box. They should all be near a mid-range setting. If set to a low end or a high end, the resolution between steps is large - when set to a mid-range position the steps between adjacent values is much smaller and easier to control. In WSJT-X, that slider marked POWER is mislabeled, it is just another audio level control. Set it properly and don't change it. The only valid power control is the KX3 knob. Read the document on this subject on my website www.w3fpr.com. Scroll the left column to the bottom entry and click to see the document. Also, you should be using DATA A mode, and not AFSK A. AFSK A is special for use with RTTY. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/14/2019 10:52 PM, Tony Estep wrote: > I have been operating with FT8 and WSPR lately. Both use an audio-generated > digital signal just like any AFSK mode. I tune up my transmitter to show > 4-5 bars on ALC. Everything seems to work at first, but after one or two > transmissions the display shows only one bar on the left and one on the > right -- and if I move the Mic Gain, all bars disappear leaving a blank > display. The transmit light stays on but I can't tell if I'm transmitting > any audio or not. What's going on?? From esteptony at gmail.com Fri Mar 15 11:49:15 2019 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 10:49:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 No meter indication when transmitting digital In-Reply-To: References: <57320e80-42c1-0f55-a852-6ef069233e78@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 9:36 AM Don Wilhelm wrote: > ...you should be using DATA A mode, and not AFSK A.... > ============== Don, thanks for your comments and the info on your website. Thanks also to the others who replied. I am not using AFSK A mode. I never should have said anything about AFSK -- I only mentioned it to explain that the WSPR signal comes from the audio tone generated by the software. I have verified that I'm getting audio out of the computer and into the KX3 mic jack. The mic bias is set to off. I'm transmitting into a dummy load, swr = 1. The meter seems to show the right display (SWR 1 bar, power 2 bars), but when I touch the mic gain knob the display goes blank. I can no longer get the display showing the ALC, no matter what I do. Despite all this the KX3 does seem to be transmitting correctly at least part of the time -- but at other times it does not. If I could figure out what is happening with the ALC display I think I could get everything going properly. Any more thoughts? Tony KT0NY On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 10:01 AM Tony Estep wrote: > On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 9:36 AM Don Wilhelm > wrote: > >> ...you should be using DATA A mode, and not AFSK A.... >> > ============== > Yes, I am not using AFSK A mode. I never should have said anything about > AFSK -- I only mentioned it to explain that the WSPR signal comes from the > audio tone generated by the software. > > Anyway, Don, thanks for your comments and the info on your website. Thanks > also to the others who replied. > > 73, > Tony KT0NY > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Mar 15 11:58:21 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 11:58:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 No meter indication when transmitting digital In-Reply-To: References: <57320e80-42c1-0f55-a852-6ef069233e78@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Tony, Hear closely - the KX3 audio shuts down if there is excessive audio coming into the mic jack. I suspect that is what is happening. Start over on the audio level controls with each of them set to mid-range, and then adjust for 4 bars solid with the 5th bar flashing on the ALC meter. Don't forget about the POWER slider in WSJT-X. It is not a power control at all, it is just another audio level control. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/15/2019 11:49 AM, Tony Estep wrote: > On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 9:36 AM Don Wilhelm wrote: > >> ...you should be using DATA A mode, and not AFSK A.... >> > ============== > Don, thanks for your comments and the info on your website. Thanks also to > the others who replied. > > I am not using AFSK A mode. I never should have said anything about AFSK -- > I only mentioned it to explain that the WSPR signal comes from the audio > tone generated by the software. > > I have verified that I'm getting audio out of the computer and into the KX3 > mic jack. The mic bias is set to off. I'm transmitting into a dummy load, > swr = 1. The meter seems to show the right display (SWR 1 bar, power 2 > bars), but when I touch the mic gain knob the display goes blank. I can no > longer get the display showing the ALC, no matter what I do. From esteptony at gmail.com Fri Mar 15 12:46:06 2019 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 11:46:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 No meter indication when transmitting digital In-Reply-To: References: <57320e80-42c1-0f55-a852-6ef069233e78@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Well, I've tracked it down. I don't have a fix yet but at least I have found out something For whatever reason, the WSJT software stops putting out audio unexpectedly. It works for a while, then it doesn't. I don't think it's RF getting back into the computer, because it happens even when transmitting to a dummy load at a very low power level of 0.1 watt. Perhaps it's some problem between the software and my audio driver. I'm pretty sure I'll get it fixed. Thanks again to everyone who responded. Tony KT0NY On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 10:58 AM Don Wilhelm wrote: > Tony, > > Hear closely - the KX3 audio shuts down if there is excessive audio > coming into the mic jack. I suspect that is what is happening. > > Start over on the audio level controls with each of them set to > mid-range, and then adjust for 4 bars solid with the 5th bar flashing on > the ALC meter. > > Don't forget about the POWER slider in WSJT-X. It is not a power > control at all, it is just another audio level control. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/15/2019 11:49 AM, Tony Estep wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 9:36 AM Don Wilhelm > wrote: > > > >> ...you should be using DATA A mode, and not AFSK A.... > >> > > ============== > > Don, thanks for your comments and the info on your website. Thanks also > to > > the others who replied. > > > > I am not using AFSK A mode. I never should have said anything about AFSK > -- > > I only mentioned it to explain that the WSPR signal comes from the audio > > tone generated by the software. > > > > I have verified that I'm getting audio out of the computer and into the > KX3 > > mic jack. The mic bias is set to off. I'm transmitting into a dummy load, > > swr = 1. The meter seems to show the right display (SWR 1 bar, power 2 > > bars), but when I touch the mic gain knob the display goes blank. I can > no > > longer get the display showing the ALC, no matter what I do. > From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Mar 15 13:05:40 2019 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 10:05:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] A New Choke Book - Some Questions In-Reply-To: <03b303dd-1ac8-1ca3-8edd-1acca5e70bec@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <03b303dd-1ac8-1ca3-8edd-1acca5e70bec@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Disclosure:? There is no theory behind what follows.? I just tried it and it worked. I used to host the local rural wireless ISP's RAP at the top of my tower in return for Internet access to their high speed backbone. During an equipment upgrade, they brought in a cheap Chinese SMPS which put broadband 20 over S9 noise on 160, 80, 60, and 40.? I consulted Jim's choke dissertation and bifilar wound two 2 1/4" toroids ['43 material, I think], one with about 10 turns, and one with about 18, and connected them in series.? I zip tied them, one on top of the other separated only by the windings of #12 vinyl insulated wire, and routed both sides of the 48 VDC power thru the bifilar windings.? Noise disappeared.? YMMV, but it isn't hard or costly so if it doesn't work, you're not out much. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 3/15/2019 1:08 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > On 3/14/2019 2:47 PM, Mike Walkington wrote: >> Hi Jim, >> >> Thanks for the New Choke Cookbook. >> Looking at your data, it seems to me that I could build a two core >> choke for the higher frequency bands and "spread" the overall choking >> impedance out by using different turns on each core, ie 11 turns on a >> 2.4" and 12 turns on a 2.4" . I believe there are no issues doing so, >> but would appreciate your confirmation. > > Right, and I say that in the text. > >> >> Also, do you have any guidance on the spacing required when packaging >> a two core choke, ie if the two cores were in a box, what vertical >> spacing is required between them? > > I have done no research on that. > > If putting chokes in an enclosure it must be vented to prevent > destructive failure due to overheating. That is also addressed in the > text, and with a photo. > > 73, Jim K9YC > From W2SE at QSL.net Fri Mar 15 14:40:06 2019 From: W2SE at QSL.net (Bruce W2SE) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 14:40:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SPAN Instability In-Reply-To: <4c672cd2-0aaf-5f37-4543-551169d7d2e9@bubble.org> References: <81bc4eb4-1372-80e8-a5bd-d46530b01052@gmail.com> <3d8b7c8c-688e-3ee6-cf36-9ab5a6f056ce@nk7z.net> <889758a1-a337-e473-130c-ee891a05db1f@nk7z.net> <0d911ec6-cee4-ccf6-3581-f6578f5df345@gmail.com> <7147ee14-89aa-fcaf-65bf-8a44cd6b667b@nk7z.net> <4c672cd2-0aaf-5f37-4543-551169d7d2e9@bubble.org> Message-ID: <4654bb6a-c9e1-4331-6c22-e1634aa32c7a@QSL.net> My PX3 has all of the same problems.? (including the REF issue which includes non-whole number values) I will try the save/reset/restore hack later. Even if this solves the issues, what's to prevent them from returning? 73,? Bruce? W2SE > > On 3/11/19 09:32, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: >> Thanks for the info sir! >> >> 73s and thanks, >> Dave (NK7Z) >> https://www.nk7z.net >> Award Manager, 30MDG Grid Awards >> ARRL Technical Specialist >> ARRL Volunteer Examiner >> ARRL OOC for Oregon >> >> On 3/10/19 12:01 PM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: >>> No, the save/restore restored everything to how it was before. >>> >>> >>> 73, >>> Victor, 4X6GP >>> Rehovot, Israel >>> Formerly K2VCO >>> CWops no. 5 >>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ >>> On 10 Mar 2019 20:57, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: >>>> I have been thinking of that.? When you did it, was your P3 >>>> revocered to the same exact setup as when you saved the config >>>> file?? Did you have to resetup anything else? >>>> >>>> 73s and thanks, >>>> Dave (NK7Z) >>>> https://www.nk7z.net >>>> Award Manager, 30MDG Grid Awards >>>> ARRL Technical Specialist >>>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner >>>> ARRL OOC for Oregon >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From alaparos at w2cs.net Fri Mar 15 15:25:51 2019 From: alaparos at w2cs.net (Gary J Ferdinand) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 15:25:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PA Current Message-ID: <7B313687-4D80-4F8D-8E35-4C1CEEFE5333@w2cs.net> I?m in the process of checking out my amp. I have two dipoles (40 and 80). At resonance both show a 1.2:1 SWR with ATU totally bypassed. With ATU on, it remains bypassed on 80, but shows only the ATU ON LED on 40. In both cases the resultant SWR is 1.2:1. SWR measurements are from the KPA1500 display. When I use the amp with my K3 and drive it up to 1500W, I am occasionally getting an excessive PA current fault at 63A. From a cold start it?s 60A, but as it warms up in contest usage I find the power drops off, so I have to adjust the K3 to bring it back up to 1500W. At that point the PA current goes over 60A. Interestingly, into a dummy load the 1500W point shows a PA current of only 55A. So the 1.2:1 SWR, be it via a bypassed ATU or using the ATU, is sufficient to raise the PA current eventually to excessive levels. Suggestions? I don?t want this to be flipping out during a contest. I also don?t want to reduce power into what should be a totally acceptable load. 73 Gary W2CS From w6sx at arrl.net Fri Mar 15 15:38:43 2019 From: w6sx at arrl.net (Hank Garretson) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 12:38:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PA Current In-Reply-To: <7B313687-4D80-4F8D-8E35-4C1CEEFE5333@w2cs.net> References: <7B313687-4D80-4F8D-8E35-4C1CEEFE5333@w2cs.net> Message-ID: Send your email to Elecraft support. Can't hurt. On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 12:26 PM Gary J Ferdinand wrote: > I?m in the process of checking out my amp. I have two dipoles (40 and > 80). At resonance both show a 1.2:1 SWR with ATU totally bypassed. With > ATU on, it remains bypassed on 80, but shows only the ATU ON LED on 40. In > both cases the resultant SWR is 1.2:1. SWR measurements are from the > KPA1500 display. > > When I use the amp with my K3 and drive it up to 1500W, I am occasionally > getting an excessive PA current fault at 63A. From a cold start it?s 60A, > but as it warms up in contest usage I find the power drops off, so I have > to adjust the K3 to bring it back up to 1500W. At that point the PA > current goes over 60A. > > Interestingly, into a dummy load the 1500W point shows a PA current of > only 55A. So the 1.2:1 SWR, be it via a bypassed ATU or using the ATU, is > sufficient to raise the PA current eventually to excessive levels. > > Suggestions? I don?t want this to be flipping out during a contest. I > also don?t want to reduce power into what should be a totally acceptable > load. > > 73 > > Gary W2CS > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From ray2.s at btinternet.com Fri Mar 15 16:23:09 2019 From: ray2.s at btinternet.com (Ray Spreadbury) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 20:23:09 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Buying Second Hand K3S Message-ID: <002b01d4db6c$e85d5a50$b9180ef0$@btinternet.com> I have been offered a 100W K3S serial number 10598, at a reasonable price. However if my memory serves me right there had to be some factory circuit mods soon after introduction? This K3S was built from a kit here in the UK but had to be returned to the distributor with a fault "on the 10W board" which was replaced apparently. Does anyone know what were the circuit mods in the early K3S & should I avoid this particular K3S? 73 Ray G3XLG From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Mar 15 16:56:11 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 16:56:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Buying Second Hand K3S In-Reply-To: <002b01d4db6c$e85d5a50$b9180ef0$@btinternet.com> References: <002b01d4db6c$e85d5a50$b9180ef0$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Ray, Any important mods would have been installed when it was returned to the distributor. Yes, there may be some other mods, but they should be of minor consequence. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/15/2019 4:23 PM, Ray Spreadbury via Elecraft wrote: > I have been offered a 100W K3S serial number 10598, at a reasonable price. > > However if my memory serves me right there had to be some factory circuit > mods soon after introduction? This K3S was built from a kit here in the UK > but had to be returned to the distributor with a fault "on the 10W board" > which was replaced apparently. > > Does anyone know what were the circuit mods in the early K3S & should I > avoid this particular K3S? > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Mar 15 17:10:08 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 17:10:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PA Current In-Reply-To: <7B313687-4D80-4F8D-8E35-4C1CEEFE5333@w2cs.net> References: <7B313687-4D80-4F8D-8E35-4C1CEEFE5333@w2cs.net> Message-ID: <0d5e0ea6-61fa-ed08-801b-c3dc2ccacbeb@embarqmail.com> Gary, Have you considered that there may be something in your antenna system that is heating up or otherwise changing with the 1500 watts power? The first thing I would suspect is a balun that is heating, or a connector that is not quite tight enough. Those kind of problems will not show up at lower power, but at 1500 watts may become troublesome. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/15/2019 3:25 PM, Gary J Ferdinand wrote: > I?m in the process of checking out my amp. I have two dipoles (40 and 80). At resonance both show a 1.2:1 SWR with ATU totally bypassed. With ATU on, it remains bypassed on 80, but shows only the ATU ON LED on 40. In both cases the resultant SWR is 1.2:1. SWR measurements are from the KPA1500 display. > > When I use the amp with my K3 and drive it up to 1500W, I am occasionally getting an excessive PA current fault at 63A. From a cold start it?s 60A, but as it warms up in contest usage I find the power drops off, so I have to adjust the K3 to bring it back up to 1500W. At that point the PA current goes over 60A. > > Interestingly, into a dummy load the 1500W point shows a PA current of only 55A. So the 1.2:1 SWR, be it via a bypassed ATU or using the ATU, is sufficient to raise the PA current eventually to excessive levels. > From paul at paulbaldock.com Fri Mar 15 17:47:04 2019 From: paul at paulbaldock.com (Paul Baldock) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 14:47:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PA Current In-Reply-To: <0d5e0ea6-61fa-ed08-801b-c3dc2ccacbeb@embarqmail.com> References: <7B313687-4D80-4F8D-8E35-4C1CEEFE5333@w2cs.net> <0d5e0ea6-61fa-ed08-801b-c3dc2ccacbeb@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <5c8c1d5b.1c69fb81.6a92f.6617@mx.google.com> I believe its universal that as the KPA1500 warms up the gain drops. I have mine set up on each band for around 1500WPEP when cold. If I operate it enough by the time the amp gets up to 70C its down to around 1300W. I try to operate the amp conservatively so I don't increase the input to raise the output back to 1500W, I just leave at 1300W,. The issue is in the amp, not in your antenna or feeder, balun etc. I had a SPE1.5K for a short time and this exhibited a similar effect. -Paul KW7Y At 02:10 PM 3/15/2019, Don Wilhelm wrote: >Gary, Have you considered that there may be >something in your antenna system that is heating >up or otherwise changing with the 1500 watts >power? The first thing I would suspect is a >balun that is heating, or a connector that is >not quite tight enough. Those kind of problems >will not show up at lower power, but at 1500 >watts may become troublesome. 73, Don W3FPR On >3/15/2019 3:25 PM, Gary J Ferdinand wrote: > >I???m in the process of checking out my amp. I >have two dipoles (40 and 80). At resonance both >show a 1.2:1 SWR with ATU totally >bypassed. With ATU on, it remains bypassed on >80, but shows only the ATU ON LED on 40. In >both cases the resultant SWR is 1.2:1. SWR >measurements are from the KPA1500 display. > > >When I use the amp with my K3 and drive it up to >1500W, I am occasionally getting an excessive PA >current fault at 63A. From a cold start it???s >60A, but as it warms up in contest usage I find >the power drops off, so I have to adjust the K3 >to bring it back up to 1500W. At that point the >PA current goes over 60A. > > Interestingly, >into a dummy load the 1500W point shows a PA >current of only 55A. So the 1.2:1 SWR, be it >via a bypassed ATU or using the ATU, is >sufficient to raise the PA current eventually to >excessive levels. > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list Home: >http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: >mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted >by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From k9yeq at live.com Fri Mar 15 18:07:50 2019 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 22:07:50 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PA Current In-Reply-To: <7B313687-4D80-4F8D-8E35-4C1CEEFE5333@w2cs.net> References: <7B313687-4D80-4F8D-8E35-4C1CEEFE5333@w2cs.net> Message-ID: On this list the subject comes up regularly. I have some issues when a feedline or antenna looks great, until I hit it with 1500 watts. Check you antennas and connectors, then come back let us know what you then find. Antennas and feedlines can fail or cause what you are seeing. 10-100 watts is simple, or looks to be so. With 1500 watts you will find issues you didn't know you had. 72 & 73, Bill K9YEQ FT?er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100, KAT500, W2, etc. -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Gary J Ferdinand Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 2:26 PM To: elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PA Current I?m in the process of checking out my amp. I have two dipoles (40 and 80). At resonance both show a 1.2:1 SWR with ATU totally bypassed. With ATU on, it remains bypassed on 80, but shows only the ATU ON LED on 40. In both cases the resultant SWR is 1.2:1. SWR measurements are from the KPA1500 display. When I use the amp with my K3 and drive it up to 1500W, I am occasionally getting an excessive PA current fault at 63A. From a cold start it?s 60A, but as it warms up in contest usage I find the power drops off, so I have to adjust the K3 to bring it back up to 1500W. At that point the PA current goes over 60A. Interestingly, into a dummy load the 1500W point shows a PA current of only 55A. So the 1.2:1 SWR, be it via a bypassed ATU or using the ATU, is sufficient to raise the PA current eventually to excessive levels. Suggestions? I don?t want this to be flipping out during a contest. I also don?t want to reduce power into what should be a totally acceptable load. 73 Gary W2CS ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jasimmons at pinewooddata.com Fri Mar 15 18:08:24 2019 From: jasimmons at pinewooddata.com (John Simmons) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 17:08:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio issues Message-ID: <052bb9f1-ff29-7a92-ad67-6b596d4426ff@pinewooddata.com> I bought a second K3 (used) after being a happy owner with the first one for about 5 years. The radio worked great for several weeks and I used it as a remote while on a 3 week vacation. Now I'm seeing some problems. Hopefully it is something that I have done wrong! #1. When I press any button on the front panel (e.g. A/B, MODE, etc.) there is no beep. #2. I cannot get the radio to transmit power in SSB using a known good mic into the front panel jack or using the line in on the rear panel. Matching the menu settings to my first K3 does not provide joy. Using the rear panel mic input does work. TIA and 73, -John NI0K From k9yeq at live.com Fri Mar 15 18:09:15 2019 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 22:09:15 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PA Current In-Reply-To: <5c8c1d5b.1c69fb81.6a92f.6617@mx.google.com> References: <7B313687-4D80-4F8D-8E35-4C1CEEFE5333@w2cs.net> <0d5e0ea6-61fa-ed08-801b-c3dc2ccacbeb@embarqmail.com> <5c8c1d5b.1c69fb81.6a92f.6617@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Paul, I do not witness what you are seeing. You may also have an antenna issue, slight but problematic? 72 & 73, Bill K9YEQ FT?er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100, KAT500, W2, etc. -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Paul Baldock Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 4:47 PM To: donwilh at embarqmail.com; Gary J Ferdinand ; elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PA Current I believe its universal that as the KPA1500 warms up the gain drops. I have mine set up on each band for around 1500WPEP when cold. If I operate it enough by the time the amp gets up to 70C its down to around 1300W. I try to operate the amp conservatively so I don't increase the input to raise the output back to 1500W, I just leave at 1300W,. The issue is in the amp, not in your antenna or feeder, balun etc. I had a SPE1.5K for a short time and this exhibited a similar effect. -Paul KW7Y At 02:10 PM 3/15/2019, Don Wilhelm wrote: >Gary, Have you considered that there may be something in your antenna >system that is heating up or otherwise changing with the 1500 watts >power? The first thing I would suspect is a balun that is heating, or a >connector that is not quite tight enough. Those kind of problems will >not show up at lower power, but at 1500 watts may become troublesome. >73, Don W3FPR On >3/15/2019 3:25 PM, Gary J Ferdinand wrote: > I???m in the process of >checking out my amp. I have two dipoles (40 and 80). At resonance >both show a 1.2:1 SWR with ATU totally bypassed. With ATU on, it >remains bypassed on 80, but shows only the ATU ON LED on 40. In >both cases the resultant SWR is 1.2:1. SWR >measurements are from the KPA1500 display. > > When I use the amp with >my K3 and drive it up to 1500W, I am occasionally getting an excessive >PA current fault at 63A. From a cold start it???s 60A, but as it warms >up in contest usage I find the power drops off, so I have to adjust the >K3 to bring it back up to 1500W. At that point the PA current goes >over 60A. > > Interestingly, into a dummy load the 1500W point shows a >PA current of only 55A. So the 1.2:1 SWR, be it via a bypassed ATU or >using the ATU, is sufficient to raise the PA current eventually to >excessive levels. > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list Home: >http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: >mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted >by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: >http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From k9yeq at live.com Fri Mar 15 18:10:10 2019 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 22:10:10 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio issues In-Reply-To: <052bb9f1-ff29-7a92-ad67-6b596d4426ff@pinewooddata.com> References: <052bb9f1-ff29-7a92-ad67-6b596d4426ff@pinewooddata.com> Message-ID: Reload your firmware, hopefully you saved a copy. IF that doesn't work, let us know! 73, Bill K9YEQ https://wrj-tech.com/ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of John Simmons Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 5:08 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio issues I bought a second K3 (used) after being a happy owner with the first one for about 5 years. The radio worked great for several weeks and I used it as a remote while on a 3 week vacation. Now I'm seeing some problems. Hopefully it is something that I have done wrong! #1. When I press any button on the front panel (e.g. A/B, MODE, etc.) there is no beep. #2. I cannot get the radio to transmit power in SSB using a known good mic into the front panel jack or using the line in on the rear panel. Matching the menu settings to my first K3 does not provide joy. Using the rear panel mic input does work. TIA and 73, -John NI0K ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From anyone1545 at gmail.com Fri Mar 15 18:14:38 2019 From: anyone1545 at gmail.com (Raymond) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 18:14:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 RF sensor cable Message-ID: <707C2686-811C-4C90-A108-933393C59D1E@gmail.com> Is the cable between the sensor and P3 a standard cat 5 cable? Ray W8LYJ Sent from my iPhone From alaparos at w2cs.net Fri Mar 15 18:35:21 2019 From: alaparos at w2cs.net (Gary J Ferdinand) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 18:35:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PA Current In-Reply-To: <0d5e0ea6-61fa-ed08-801b-c3dc2ccacbeb@embarqmail.com> References: <7B313687-4D80-4F8D-8E35-4C1CEEFE5333@w2cs.net> <0d5e0ea6-61fa-ed08-801b-c3dc2ccacbeb@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: This group is outstanding. Thank you Bob K4TAX for taking what must have been a fair amount of time walking thru the consequences of a 40- or 60-Ohm mismatch. That radiation resistance graph you attached is one I have used for decades! Thanks Don W3FPR as well. There are several connectors in between the amp and the dipole?s center insulator. Since we have had several temperature swings of late, I shall firm them up when the rain stops. I?ll keep plugging. My KPA500/KAT500 combo had its own set of characteristics that I eventually learned, but not a PA current out of bounds. That one is new. Thanks everyone else for contributing. 73, Gary W2CS > On Mar 15, 2019, at 5:10 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Gary, > > Have you considered that there may be something in your antenna system that is heating up or otherwise changing with the 1500 watts power? > The first thing I would suspect is a balun that is heating, or a connector that is not quite tight enough. > > Those kind of problems will not show up at lower power, but at 1500 watts may become troublesome. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/15/2019 3:25 PM, Gary J Ferdinand wrote: >> I?m in the process of checking out my amp. I have two dipoles (40 and 80). At resonance both show a 1.2:1 SWR with ATU totally bypassed. With ATU on, it remains bypassed on 80, but shows only the ATU ON LED on 40. In both cases the resultant SWR is 1.2:1. SWR measurements are from the KPA1500 display. >> When I use the amp with my K3 and drive it up to 1500W, I am occasionally getting an excessive PA current fault at 63A. From a cold start it?s 60A, but as it warms up in contest usage I find the power drops off, so I have to adjust the K3 to bring it back up to 1500W. At that point the PA current goes over 60A. >> Interestingly, into a dummy load the 1500W point shows a PA current of only 55A. So the 1.2:1 SWR, be it via a bypassed ATU or using the ATU, is sufficient to raise the PA current eventually to excessive levels. From paul at paulbaldock.com Fri Mar 15 18:39:15 2019 From: paul at paulbaldock.com (Paul Baldock) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 15:39:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PA Current In-Reply-To: References: <7B313687-4D80-4F8D-8E35-4C1CEEFE5333@w2cs.net> <0d5e0ea6-61fa-ed08-801b-c3dc2ccacbeb@embarqmail.com> <5c8c1d5b.1c69fb81.6a92f.6617@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5c8c2995.1c69fb81.a5213.6022@mx.google.com> No antenna issue here. No SWR variations when antenna under continuous power (measured on a real SWR meter). Same effect into a high power cool dummy load. It's the amp without doubt. - Paul At 03:09 PM 3/15/2019, Bill Johnson wrote: >Paul, I do not witness what you are seeing. You >may also have an antenna issue, slight but problematic? > >72 & 73, >Bill >K9YEQ >FT???er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100, KAT500, W2, etc. > >-----Original Message----- >From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > On Behalf Of Paul Baldock >Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 4:47 PM >To: donwilh at embarqmail.com; Gary J Ferdinand >; elecraft >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PA Current > >I believe its universal that as the KPA1500 >warms up the gain drops. I have mine set up on >each band for around 1500WPEP when cold. If I >operate it enough by the time the amp gets up to >70C its down to around 1300W. I try to >operate the amp conservatively so I don't >increase the input to raise the output back to 1500W, I just leave at 1300W,. > >The issue is in the amp, not in your antenna or feeder, balun etc. > >I had a SPE1.5K for a short time and this exhibited a similar effect. > >-Paul KW7Y > > >At 02:10 PM 3/15/2019, Don Wilhelm wrote: > >Gary, Have you considered that there may be something in your antenna > >system that is heating up or otherwise changing with the 1500 watts > >power? The first thing I would suspect is a balun that is heating, or a > >connector that is not quite tight enough. Those kind of problems will > >not show up at lower power, but at 1500 watts may become troublesome. > >73, Don W3FPR On > >3/15/2019 3:25 PM, Gary J Ferdinand wrote: > I????m in the process of > >checking out my amp.mp. I have two dipoles (40 and 80). At resonance > >both show a 1.2:1 SWR with ATU totally bypassed. With ATU on, it > >remains bypassed on 80, but shows only the ATU ON LED on 40. In > >both cases the resultant SWR is 1.2:1. SWR > >measurements are from the KPA1500 display. > > When I use the amp with > >my K3 and drive it up to 1500W, I am occasionally getting an excessive > >PA current fault at 63A. From a cold start it????s 60A, but as it wa warms > >up in contest usage I find the power drops off, so I have to adjust the > >K3 to bring it back up to 1500W. At that point the PA current goes > >over 60A. > > Interestingly, into a dummy load the 1500W point shows a > >PA current of only 55A. So the 1.2:1 SWR, be it via a bypassed ATU or > >using the ATU, is sufficient to raise the PA current eventually to > >excessive levels. > > >______________________________________________________________ > >Elecraft mailing list Home: > >http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: > >mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted > >by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: > >http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From a.durbin at msn.com Fri Mar 15 18:49:53 2019 From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 22:49:53 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PA Current Message-ID: "Have you considered that there may be something in your antenna system?that is heating up or otherwise changing with the 1500 watts power? The first thing I would suspect is a balun that is heating, or a connector that is not quite tight enough." After years in lab and flight test I came to appreciate the value of good instrumentation. The data below is a case of SWR run-away believed to be caused by heating of a mix 31 choke when an antenna matched for 160 m was used on 80m. The rapid but progressive rise in SWR is very different from what would be expected for an arc-over event. This data log shows parameters reported by my KAT500. The final two events are the KAT500 faulting and opening the KPA500 key line. 2019-02-21 06:56:02 New VSWR - VSWR 1.06; 2019-02-21 06:56:02 New VSWR - VSWR 1.00; 2019-02-21 06:56:02 New VSWR - VSWR 1.08; 2019-02-21 06:56:02 New VSWR - VSWR 1.07; 2019-02-21 06:56:03 New VSWR - VSWR 1.05; 2019-02-21 06:56:03 New VSWR - VSWR 1.08; 2019-02-21 06:56:03 New VSWR - VSWR 1.15; 2019-02-21 06:56:05 New VSWR - VSWR 1.19; 2019-02-21 06:56:05 New VSWR - VSWR 1.25; 2019-02-21 06:56:05 New VSWR - VSWR 1.30; 2019-02-21 06:56:05 New VSWR - VSWR 1.38; 2019-02-21 06:56:05 New VSWR - VSWR 1.44; 2019-02-21 06:56:05 New VSWR - VSWR 1.49; 2019-02-21 06:56:06 New VSWR - VSWR 1.58; 2019-02-21 06:56:06 New VSWR - VSWR 1.72; 2019-02-21 06:56:06 New VSWR - VSWR 1.85; 2019-02-21 06:56:06 New VSWR - VSWR 1.90; 2019-02-21 06:56:07 New VSWR - VSWR 2.00; 2019-02-21 06:56:07 New FLT - FLT4; 2019-02-21 06:56:07 New AMPI - AMPI1; 73, Andy, k3wyc From k9yeq at live.com Fri Mar 15 18:53:03 2019 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 22:53:03 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PA Current In-Reply-To: <5c8c2995.1c69fb81.a5213.6022@mx.google.com> References: <7B313687-4D80-4F8D-8E35-4C1CEEFE5333@w2cs.net> <0d5e0ea6-61fa-ed08-801b-c3dc2ccacbeb@embarqmail.com> <5c8c1d5b.1c69fb81.6a92f.6617@mx.google.com> <5c8c2995.1c69fb81.a5213.6022@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Contact tech support and they may be able to help you out. To me, I use toroid transformer and the output remains continuous on load. I did have a brief issue and could only load my EFHW at 100-500 watts but once above that the amp would fail. I took my trusty wrench when weather and snow conditions permitted, and tightened the connectors in the back yard and now all is back to normal. Visually, and with analyzer seemed to be ok, but with power, an issue. Good luck. 73, Bill K9YEQ https://wrj-tech.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Paul Baldock Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 5:39 PM To: Bill Johnson ; donwilh at embarqmail.com; Gary J Ferdinand ; elecraft Subject: RE: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PA Current No antenna issue here. No SWR variations when antenna under continuous power (measured on a real SWR meter). Same effect into a high power cool dummy load. It's the amp without doubt. - Paul At 03:09 PM 3/15/2019, Bill Johnson wrote: >Paul, I do not witness what you are seeing. You may also have an >antenna issue, slight but problematic? > >72 & 73, >Bill >K9YEQ >FT???er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100, KAT500, W2, etc. > >-----Original Message----- >From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > On Behalf Of Paul Baldock >Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 4:47 PM >To: donwilh at embarqmail.com; Gary J Ferdinand ; >elecraft >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PA Current > >I believe its universal that as the KPA1500 warms up the gain drops. I >have mine set up on each band for around 1500WPEP when cold. If I >operate it enough by the time the amp gets up to 70C its down to around >1300W. I try to operate the amp conservatively so I don't increase >the input to raise the output back to 1500W, I just leave at 1300W,. > >The issue is in the amp, not in your antenna or feeder, balun etc. > >I had a SPE1.5K for a short time and this exhibited a similar effect. > >-Paul KW7Y > > >At 02:10 PM 3/15/2019, Don Wilhelm wrote: > >Gary, Have you considered that there may be something in your antenna > >system that is heating up or otherwise changing with the 1500 watts > >power? The first thing I would suspect is a balun that is heating, or > >a connector that is not quite tight enough. Those kind of problems > >will not show up at lower power, but at 1500 watts may become troublesome. > >73, Don W3FPR On > >3/15/2019 3:25 PM, Gary J Ferdinand wrote: > I????m in the process of > >checking out my amp.mp. I have two dipoles (40 and 80). At > >resonance both show a 1.2:1 SWR with ATU totally bypassed. With ATU > >on, it remains bypassed on 80, but shows only the ATU ON LED on 40. In > >both cases the resultant SWR is 1.2:1. SWR > >measurements are from the KPA1500 display. > > When I use the amp > >with my K3 and drive it up to 1500W, I am occasionally getting an > >excessive PA current fault at 63A. From a cold start it????s 60A, > >but as it wa warms up in contest usage I find the power drops off, so > >I have to adjust the > >K3 to bring it back up to 1500W. At that point the PA current goes > >over 60A. > > Interestingly, into a dummy load the 1500W point shows > >a PA current of only 55A. So the 1.2:1 SWR, be it via a bypassed ATU > >or using the ATU, is sufficient to raise the PA current eventually to > >excessive levels. > > >______________________________________________________________ > >Elecraft mailing list Home: > >http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: > >mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted > >by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: > >http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From k9yeq at live.com Fri Mar 15 18:55:14 2019 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 22:55:14 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PA Current In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great graphing. Impressive. I know from experience going from 500 watts to 1500 will cause issues because of the higher power. 72 & 73, Bill K9YEQ FT'er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100, KAT500, W2, etc. -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Andy Durbin Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 5:50 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PA Current "Have you considered that there may be something in your antenna system?that is heating up or otherwise changing with the 1500 watts power? The first thing I would suspect is a balun that is heating, or a connector that is not quite tight enough." After years in lab and flight test I came to appreciate the value of good instrumentation. The data below is a case of SWR run-away believed to be caused by heating of a mix 31 choke when an antenna matched for 160 m was used on 80m. The rapid but progressive rise in SWR is very different from what would be expected for an arc-over event. This data log shows parameters reported by my KAT500. The final two events are the KAT500 faulting and opening the KPA500 key line. 2019-02-21 06:56:02 New VSWR - VSWR 1.06; 2019-02-21 06:56:02 New VSWR - VSWR 1.00; 2019-02-21 06:56:02 New VSWR - VSWR 1.08; 2019-02-21 06:56:02 New VSWR - VSWR 1.07; 2019-02-21 06:56:03 New VSWR - VSWR 1.05; 2019-02-21 06:56:03 New VSWR - VSWR 1.08; 2019-02-21 06:56:03 New VSWR - VSWR 1.15; 2019-02-21 06:56:05 New VSWR - VSWR 1.19; 2019-02-21 06:56:05 New VSWR - VSWR 1.25; 2019-02-21 06:56:05 New VSWR - VSWR 1.30; 2019-02-21 06:56:05 New VSWR - VSWR 1.38; 2019-02-21 06:56:05 New VSWR - VSWR 1.44; 2019-02-21 06:56:05 New VSWR - VSWR 1.49; 2019-02-21 06:56:06 New VSWR - VSWR 1.58; 2019-02-21 06:56:06 New VSWR - VSWR 1.72; 2019-02-21 06:56:06 New VSWR - VSWR 1.85; 2019-02-21 06:56:06 New VSWR - VSWR 1.90; 2019-02-21 06:56:07 New VSWR - VSWR 2.00; 2019-02-21 06:56:07 New FLT - FLT4; 2019-02-21 06:56:07 New AMPI - AMPI1; 73, Andy, k3wyc ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From k9yeq at live.com Fri Mar 15 18:56:26 2019 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 22:56:26 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PA Current In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Should read can, not "will". 73, Bill K9YEQ https://wrj-tech.com/ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 5:55 PM To: Andy Durbin ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PA Current Great graphing. Impressive. I know from experience going from 500 watts to 1500 will cause issues because of the higher power. 72 & 73, Bill K9YEQ FT'er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100, KAT500, W2, etc. -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Andy Durbin Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 5:50 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PA Current "Have you considered that there may be something in your antenna system?that is heating up or otherwise changing with the 1500 watts power? The first thing I would suspect is a balun that is heating, or a connector that is not quite tight enough." After years in lab and flight test I came to appreciate the value of good instrumentation. The data below is a case of SWR run-away believed to be caused by heating of a mix 31 choke when an antenna matched for 160 m was used on 80m. The rapid but progressive rise in SWR is very different from what would be expected for an arc-over event. This data log shows parameters reported by my KAT500. The final two events are the KAT500 faulting and opening the KPA500 key line. 2019-02-21 06:56:02 New VSWR - VSWR 1.06; 2019-02-21 06:56:02 New VSWR - VSWR 1.00; 2019-02-21 06:56:02 New VSWR - VSWR 1.08; 2019-02-21 06:56:02 New VSWR - VSWR 1.07; 2019-02-21 06:56:03 New VSWR - VSWR 1.05; 2019-02-21 06:56:03 New VSWR - VSWR 1.08; 2019-02-21 06:56:03 New VSWR - VSWR 1.15; 2019-02-21 06:56:05 New VSWR - VSWR 1.19; 2019-02-21 06:56:05 New VSWR - VSWR 1.25; 2019-02-21 06:56:05 New VSWR - VSWR 1.30; 2019-02-21 06:56:05 New VSWR - VSWR 1.38; 2019-02-21 06:56:05 New VSWR - VSWR 1.44; 2019-02-21 06:56:05 New VSWR - VSWR 1.49; 2019-02-21 06:56:06 New VSWR - VSWR 1.58; 2019-02-21 06:56:06 New VSWR - VSWR 1.72; 2019-02-21 06:56:06 New VSWR - VSWR 1.85; 2019-02-21 06:56:06 New VSWR - VSWR 1.90; 2019-02-21 06:56:07 New VSWR - VSWR 2.00; 2019-02-21 06:56:07 New FLT - FLT4; 2019-02-21 06:56:07 New AMPI - AMPI1; 73, Andy, k3wyc ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From nr4c at widomaker.com Fri Mar 15 19:20:05 2019 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 19:20:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 RF sensor cable In-Reply-To: <707C2686-811C-4C90-A108-933393C59D1E@gmail.com> References: <707C2686-811C-4C90-A108-933393C59D1E@gmail.com> Message-ID: Is it possible the manual has a pin-out? Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 15, 2019, at 6:14 PM, Raymond wrote: > > Is the cable between the sensor and P3 a standard cat 5 cable? > Ray > W8LYJ > > Sent from my iPhone > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From nr4c at widomaker.com Fri Mar 15 19:26:42 2019 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 19:26:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 No meter indication when transmitting digital In-Reply-To: References: <57320e80-42c1-0f55-a852-6ef069233e78@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <5C968116-B14F-4F26-86B1-55F8E9AD60F0@widomaker.com> Turn the gain down on the computer, waaaaaay down! This will give you more control with the radio controls. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 15, 2019, at 11:49 AM, Tony Estep wrote: > >> On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 9:36 AM Don Wilhelm wrote: >> >> ...you should be using DATA A mode, and not AFSK A.... >> > ============== > Don, thanks for your comments and the info on your website. Thanks also to > the others who replied. > > I am not using AFSK A mode. I never should have said anything about AFSK -- > I only mentioned it to explain that the WSPR signal comes from the audio > tone generated by the software. > > I have verified that I'm getting audio out of the computer and into the KX3 > mic jack. The mic bias is set to off. I'm transmitting into a dummy load, > swr = 1. The meter seems to show the right display (SWR 1 bar, power 2 > bars), but when I touch the mic gain knob the display goes blank. I can no > longer get the display showing the ALC, no matter what I do. > > Despite all this the KX3 does seem to be transmitting correctly at least > part of the time -- but at other times it does not. If I could figure out > what is happening with the ALC display I think I could get everything going > properly. Any more thoughts? > > Tony KT0NY > >> On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 10:01 AM Tony Estep wrote: >> >> On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 9:36 AM Don Wilhelm >> wrote: >> >>> ...you should be using DATA A mode, and not AFSK A.... >>> >> ============== >> Yes, I am not using AFSK A mode. I never should have said anything about >> AFSK -- I only mentioned it to explain that the WSPR signal comes from the >> audio tone generated by the software. >> >> Anyway, Don, thanks for your comments and the info on your website. Thanks >> also to the others who replied. >> >> 73, >> Tony KT0NY >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From n2ry at yahoo.com Fri Mar 15 19:33:11 2019 From: n2ry at yahoo.com (Rich Yost) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 23:33:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Remote On/Off KPA-1500 - How I do it In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <85611831.6356732.1552692791181@mail.yahoo.com> I use a 12v power cube plugged into a Network Power Switch.This is how I turn my 6500 on remotely also. Its a 4 outlet internet switch, so I use it turn apply 12v to the REMOTE jack and turn on the KPA-1500. Richn2ry On Friday, March 15, 2019, 5:02:12 PM EDT, wrote: ? 6. Remote On/Off KPA-1500 (Charlie Wirth) ? Message: 6 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 00:57:21 +0000 From: Charlie Wirth To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: [Elecraft] Remote On/Off KPA-1500 Message-ID: ??? ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello: I recently purchased a KPA-1500 amplifier.? I would like to be able to turn on the amplifier remotely.? The manual says to apply 12v to the REM jack.? I was wondering if anyone is doing this and what they are using to apply the 12 volts. Thanks, Charlie W3DDF ------------------------------ From k9ma at sdellington.us Fri Mar 15 21:27:55 2019 From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 19:27:55 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PA Current In-Reply-To: <7B313687-4D80-4F8D-8E35-4C1CEEFE5333@w2cs.net> References: <7B313687-4D80-4F8D-8E35-4C1CEEFE5333@w2cs.net> Message-ID: <29EF42FE-D3E0-43BF-9B59-6EC0D712C8F9@sdellington.us> Hi Gary, I haven?t seen that problem unless the SWR was at least 1.4:1. However, it?s possible you have hit just the wrong phase angle. If your 1.2 SWR resulted in a load impedance of 42 Ohms, the current could go up 20 percent. On the other hand, 55 A into 50 Ohms sounds a bit high. Make sure the voltage isn?t dropping more than a couple Volts. 73, Scott K9MA ---------- Scott Ellington --- via iPad > On Mar 15, 2019, at 1:25 PM, Gary J Ferdinand wrote: > > I?m in the process of checking out my amp. I have two dipoles (40 and 80). At resonance both show a 1.2:1 SWR with ATU totally bypassed. With ATU on, it remains bypassed on 80, but shows only the ATU ON LED on 40. In both cases the resultant SWR is 1.2:1. SWR measurements are from the KPA1500 display. > > When I use the amp with my K3 and drive it up to 1500W, I am occasionally getting an excessive PA current fault at 63A. From a cold start it?s 60A, but as it warms up in contest usage I find the power drops off, so I have to adjust the K3 to bring it back up to 1500W. At that point the PA current goes over 60A. > > Interestingly, into a dummy load the 1500W point shows a PA current of only 55A. So the 1.2:1 SWR, be it via a bypassed ATU or using the ATU, is sufficient to raise the PA current eventually to excessive levels. > > Suggestions? I don?t want this to be flipping out during a contest. I also don?t want to reduce power into what should be a totally acceptable load. > > 73 > > Gary W2CS > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jasimmons at pinewooddata.com Fri Mar 15 22:15:39 2019 From: jasimmons at pinewooddata.com (John Simmons) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 21:15:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio issues In-Reply-To: References: <052bb9f1-ff29-7a92-ad67-6b596d4426ff@pinewooddata.com> Message-ID: <5C8C5C4B.1060007@pinewooddata.com> Did that already. Any other suggestions? -John NI0K > Bill Johnson > Friday, March 15, 2019 5:10 PM > Reload your firmware, hopefully you saved a copy. IF that doesn't > work, let us know! > > 73, > Bill > K9YEQ > > https://wrj-tech.com/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > On Behalf Of John Simmons > Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 5:08 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio issues > > I bought a second K3 (used) after being a happy owner with the first > one for about 5 years. > > The radio worked great for several weeks and I used it as a remote > while on a 3 week vacation. Now I'm seeing some problems. Hopefully it > is something that I have done wrong! > > #1. When I press any button on the front panel (e.g. A/B, MODE, etc.) > there is no beep. > > #2. I cannot get the radio to transmit power in SSB using a known good > mic into the front panel jack or using the line in on the rear panel. > Matching the menu settings to my first K3 does not provide joy. Using > the rear panel mic input does work. > > TIA and 73, > -John NI0K > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > John Simmons > Friday, March 15, 2019 5:08 PM > I bought a second K3 (used) after being a happy owner with the first > one for about 5 years. > > The radio worked great for several weeks and I used it as a remote > while on a 3 week vacation. Now I'm seeing some problems. Hopefully it > is something that I have done wrong! > > #1. When I press any button on the front panel (e.g. A/B, MODE, etc.) > there is no beep. > > #2. I cannot get the radio to transmit power in SSB using a known good > mic into the front panel jack or using the line in on the rear panel. > Matching the menu settings to my first K3 does not provide joy. Using > the rear panel mic input does work. > > TIA and 73, > -John NI0K > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Mar 15 22:39:48 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 19:39:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio issues In-Reply-To: <5C8C5C4B.1060007@pinewooddata.com> References: <052bb9f1-ff29-7a92-ad67-6b596d4426ff@pinewooddata.com> <5C8C5C4B.1060007@pinewooddata.com> Message-ID: <4c508294-0191-9eaa-51e1-9d393616f963@audiosystemsgroup.com> There is a menu setting for #1. For #2 -- VOX or PTT?? If VOX, is the VOX icon showing?? VOX Gain and Mic Gain may need adjustment.? Is Lin In selected when you're trying to use a mic? Check the settings for where the mic is plugged in (front or rear panel), and whether bias is turned on (if the mic is an electret). 73, Jim K9YC On 3/15/2019 7:15 PM, John Simmons wrote: > Did that already. Any other suggestions? > > -John NI0K > >> Bill Johnson >> Friday, March 15, 2019 5:10 PM >> Reload your firmware, hopefully you saved a copy. IF that doesn't >> work, let us know! >> >> 73, >> Bill >> K9YEQ >> >> https://wrj-tech.com/ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net >> On Behalf Of John Simmons >> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 5:08 PM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio issues >> >> I bought a second K3 (used) after being a happy owner with the first >> one for about 5 years. >> >> The radio worked great for several weeks and I used it as a remote >> while on a 3 week vacation. Now I'm seeing some problems. Hopefully >> it is something that I have done wrong! >> >> #1. When I press any button on the front panel (e.g. A/B, MODE, etc.) >> there is no beep. >> >> #2. I cannot get the radio to transmit power in SSB using a known >> good mic into the front panel jack or using the line in on the rear >> panel. >> Matching the menu settings to my first K3 does not provide joy. Using >> the rear panel mic input does work. >> >> TIA and 73, >> -John NI0K >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> John Simmons >> Friday, March 15, 2019 5:08 PM >> I bought a second K3 (used) after being a happy owner with the first >> one for about 5 years. >> >> The radio worked great for several weeks and I used it as a remote >> while on a 3 week vacation. Now I'm seeing some problems. Hopefully >> it is something that I have done wrong! >> >> #1. When I press any button on the front panel (e.g. A/B, MODE, etc.) >> there is no beep. >> >> #2. I cannot get the radio to transmit power in SSB using a known >> good mic into the front panel jack or using the line in on the rear >> panel. Matching the menu settings to my first K3 does not provide >> joy. Using the rear panel mic input does work. >> >> TIA and 73, >> -John NI0K >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From vetterestorer at gmail.com Fri Mar 15 22:42:27 2019 From: vetterestorer at gmail.com (DC) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 19:42:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio issues In-Reply-To: <5C8C5C4B.1060007@pinewooddata.com> References: <052bb9f1-ff29-7a92-ad67-6b596d4426ff@pinewooddata.com> <5C8C5C4B.1060007@pinewooddata.com> Message-ID: <218c64c1-ed5f-965b-34ee-208aa0992b47@gmail.com> John; Possibly this: If it is a older K3, the contacts between the PC Board and the front panel can lose connectivity. ?I have been successful cleaning with deoxit.? The materials are? dis-similar, There is a gold pin replacement to solve the problem. 73's Richard K6VV On 3/15/2019 7:15 PM, John Simmons wrote: > Did that already. Any other suggestions? > > -John NI0K > >> Bill Johnson >> Friday, March 15, 2019 5:10 PM >> Reload your firmware, hopefully you saved a copy. IF that doesn't >> work, let us know! >> >> 73, >> Bill >> K9YEQ >> >> https://wrj-tech.com/ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net >> On Behalf Of John Simmons >> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 5:08 PM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio issues >> >> I bought a second K3 (used) after being a happy owner with the first >> one for about 5 years. >> >> The radio worked great for several weeks and I used it as a remote >> while on a 3 week vacation. Now I'm seeing some problems. Hopefully >> it is something that I have done wrong! >> >> #1. When I press any button on the front panel (e.g. A/B, MODE, etc.) >> there is no beep. >> >> #2. I cannot get the radio to transmit power in SSB using a known >> good mic into the front panel jack or using the line in on the rear >> panel. >> Matching the menu settings to my first K3 does not provide joy. Using >> the rear panel mic input does work. >> >> TIA and 73, >> -John NI0K >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> John Simmons >> Friday, March 15, 2019 5:08 PM >> I bought a second K3 (used) after being a happy owner with the first >> one for about 5 years. >> >> The radio worked great for several weeks and I used it as a remote >> while on a 3 week vacation. Now I'm seeing some problems. Hopefully >> it is something that I have done wrong! >> >> #1. When I press any button on the front panel (e.g. A/B, MODE, etc.) >> there is no beep. >> >> #2. I cannot get the radio to transmit power in SSB using a known >> good mic into the front panel jack or using the line in on the rear >> panel. Matching the menu settings to my first K3 does not provide >> joy. Using the rear panel mic input does work. >> >> TIA and 73, >> -John NI0K >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jasimmons at pinewooddata.com Fri Mar 15 22:59:03 2019 From: jasimmons at pinewooddata.com (John Simmons) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 21:59:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio issues In-Reply-To: <218c64c1-ed5f-965b-34ee-208aa0992b47@gmail.com> References: <052bb9f1-ff29-7a92-ad67-6b596d4426ff@pinewooddata.com> <5C8C5C4B.1060007@pinewooddata.com> <218c64c1-ed5f-965b-34ee-208aa0992b47@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5C8C6677.4000202@pinewooddata.com> I thought about this... but it is s/n 59XX, newer than my first K3. Still I was wondering if it was a connector issue. BUT! Is there a reason that I have both symptoms at the same time? -J > DC > Friday, March 15, 2019 9:42 PM > John; > > Possibly this: > > If it is a older K3, the contacts between the PC Board and the front > panel can lose connectivity. I have been successful cleaning with > deoxit. The materials are dis-similar, There is a gold pin > replacement to solve the problem. > > 73's > > Richard > > K6VV > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > John Simmons > Friday, March 15, 2019 9:15 PM > Did that already. Any other suggestions? > > -John NI0K > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Bill Johnson > Friday, March 15, 2019 5:10 PM > Reload your firmware, hopefully you saved a copy. IF that doesn't > work, let us know! > > 73, > Bill > K9YEQ > > https://wrj-tech.com/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > On Behalf Of John Simmons > Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 5:08 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio issues > > I bought a second K3 (used) after being a happy owner with the first > one for about 5 years. > > The radio worked great for several weeks and I used it as a remote > while on a 3 week vacation. Now I'm seeing some problems. Hopefully it > is something that I have done wrong! > > #1. When I press any button on the front panel (e.g. A/B, MODE, etc.) > there is no beep. > > #2. I cannot get the radio to transmit power in SSB using a known good > mic into the front panel jack or using the line in on the rear panel. > Matching the menu settings to my first K3 does not provide joy. Using > the rear panel mic input does work. > > TIA and 73, > -John NI0K > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > John Simmons > Friday, March 15, 2019 5:08 PM > I bought a second K3 (used) after being a happy owner with the first > one for about 5 years. > > The radio worked great for several weeks and I used it as a remote > while on a 3 week vacation. Now I'm seeing some problems. Hopefully it > is something that I have done wrong! > > #1. When I press any button on the front panel (e.g. A/B, MODE, etc.) > there is no beep. > > #2. I cannot get the radio to transmit power in SSB using a known good > mic into the front panel jack or using the line in on the rear panel. > Matching the menu settings to my first K3 does not provide joy. Using > the rear panel mic input does work. > > TIA and 73, > -John NI0K > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From hlyingst at yahoo.com Fri Mar 15 23:13:28 2019 From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 03:13:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 RF sensor cable In-Reply-To: <707C2686-811C-4C90-A108-933393C59D1E@gmail.com> References: <707C2686-811C-4C90-A108-933393C59D1E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <770794950.6377786.1552706008572@mail.yahoo.com> Mine says Cat 5e on it and it. pinned out the same as an Ethernet LAN cable So I will say Yes On Friday, March 15, 2019, 6:15:56 PM EDT, Raymond wrote: Is the cable between the sensor and P3 a standard cat 5 cable? Ray W8LYJ Sent from my iPhone ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From djwilcox01 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 16 05:13:55 2019 From: djwilcox01 at yahoo.com (David Wilcox) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 05:13:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PA Current In-Reply-To: <29EF42FE-D3E0-43BF-9B59-6EC0D712C8F9@sdellington.us> References: <7B313687-4D80-4F8D-8E35-4C1CEEFE5333@w2cs.net> <29EF42FE-D3E0-43BF-9B59-6EC0D712C8F9@sdellington.us> Message-ID: <0F00FC98-F9E8-4F2C-9EBD-0EAE89F7069E@yahoo.com> Try 1000 watts for one month. Then 500 watts for the next month. Don?t tell anyone. Unless you are trying to get that last country for your stats you won?t see any difference in your enjoyment and contact ratio. How often do we turn our receivers, stereos, ovens, microwaves, irons, or even car engines up to their max just ?because we can?? Not trying to start a flame war here but to me it does make sense to give our equipment some breathing room? Yesterday while monitoring a group of guys around Michigan on 75 meters one of them dropped down from his KW to 12 watts and everyone was amazed he was still 20 dB over S9. They were over 100 miles apart too. Many of my friends have over 300 countries or have worked all counties and have never used over 500 watts, mostly 100 watts. Yes, it is good to experiment to find out why this is occurring, but after that give your amp some room to breathe. I watch this list for education and haven?t ever seen a rating of how high the Elecraft 1500 watt amp is tested at, what is its actual max output and for how long. I would guess that if it?s designed to handle 3000 watts then 1500 watts is conservative and this problem shouldn?t be happening. If it is tested and burned in at 2000 watts then it is being pushed and heating might be a problem on some amps. I have watched a few other comments on the Elecraft 100 watt amp and they have troubles getting an actual 100 watts out all the time too. Rain, ice, and other factors change things too. Isn?t this hobby fun? Just a thought. Dave K8WPE David J. Wilcox K8WPE?s iPad > On Mar 15, 2019, at 9:27 PM, K9MA wrote: > > Hi Gary, > > I haven?t seen that problem unless the SWR was at least 1.4:1. However, it?s possible you have hit just the wrong phase angle. If your 1.2 SWR resulted in a load impedance of 42 Ohms, the current could go up 20 percent. On the other hand, 55 A into 50 Ohms sounds a bit high. Make sure the voltage isn?t dropping more than a couple Volts. > > 73, > Scott K9MA > > ---------- > > Scott Ellington > > --- via iPad > >> On Mar 15, 2019, at 1:25 PM, Gary J Ferdinand wrote: >> >> I?m in the process of checking out my amp. I have two dipoles (40 and 80). At resonance both show a 1.2:1 SWR with ATU totally bypassed. With ATU on, it remains bypassed on 80, but shows only the ATU ON LED on 40. In both cases the resultant SWR is 1.2:1. SWR measurements are from the KPA1500 display. >> >> When I use the amp with my K3 and drive it up to 1500W, I am occasionally getting an excessive PA current fault at 63A. From a cold start it?s 60A, but as it warms up in contest usage I find the power drops off, so I have to adjust the K3 to bring it back up to 1500W. At that point the PA current goes over 60A. >> >> Interestingly, into a dummy load the 1500W point shows a PA current of only 55A. So the 1.2:1 SWR, be it via a bypassed ATU or using the ATU, is sufficient to raise the PA current eventually to excessive levels. >> >> Suggestions? I don?t want this to be flipping out during a contest. I also don?t want to reduce power into what should be a totally acceptable load. >> >> 73 >> >> Gary W2CS >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From ve3bwp at gmail.com Sat Mar 16 08:10:22 2019 From: ve3bwp at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Brian_=E2=80=9CVE3BWP=E2=80=9D_Pietrzyk?=) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 08:10:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD Function key #'s mapping/Macro Assignments not matching K3 util assignments References: Message-ID: <1C490C22-10AB-45F0-A982-541EFCE18EA8@gmail.com> It turns out the Mac version of the Elecraft k3 utility has a defect. It does not write Macros 10-16 to the K3. The windows (eww!) k3 util writes the macros fine so K-Pod working now as documented. Now if I could just get diversity receive to work as documented.. Thanks to Doug at Elecraft support for working through this with me through a power outage at their site! Thanks, Brian ve3bwp > On Mar 14, 2019, at 7:02 PM, wrote: > > Quite often folks forget a trailing semicolon after each command. It?s not optional, even if there's only one command in a macro, that one command must end in semicolon. > > GL! > > 73 de Dick, K6KR > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Brian Pietrzyk (ve3bwp) > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 15:37 > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD Function key #'s mapping/Macro Assignments not matching K3 util assignments > > I read through the archive and found no mention of this issue: > > I just got a k-Pod and a K3s and am wanting to program Function keys but the tap assignments don?t seem to work. The hold ones seem to. > > I am referring to table 11-3 / p 235 in the Fred Kady K3s pdf ebook. > > The table says tap F1-F8 should map to K3 Macros 9-16, Hold F1-F8 should map to K3 Macros 1-8. > > I assigned F1 Tap to VFO FINE and Hold F1 to VFO Course. By putting SWT49; and SWH49; commands in Macro 1 & 9 lines respectively and this works as expected. > > For F2 TAP I just want to toggle NR on/off. So I put SWT34; into Macro 10. When I tap F2 nothing happens and VFO B displays MACRO 1. So I put SWT34; into MACRO 2 and Hold F2 works as expected. NR toggles on/off and VFO B displays MACRO 2 as expected when I hold F2. Not sure why Tap F2 acting this way? > > I have the same issue with F3 & F4. I assigned BAND ^ and BAND v to tap and nothing happens and VFO B display MACRO 1. Hold F3&4 Works fine. > > So essentially I can only get Tap F1 to work. I have to Hold the get the rest of the function keys to work. I tried reloading the firmware into the Kpod and no change. Did I get a defective KPOD? > > Thanks, > > Brian ve3bwp From jamesforsman at me.com Sat Mar 16 08:42:43 2019 From: jamesforsman at me.com (jrquark) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 08:42:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PA Current In-Reply-To: <0F00FC98-F9E8-4F2C-9EBD-0EAE89F7069E@yahoo.com> References: <7B313687-4D80-4F8D-8E35-4C1CEEFE5333@w2cs.net> <29EF42FE-D3E0-43BF-9B59-6EC0D712C8F9@sdellington.us> <0F00FC98-F9E8-4F2C-9EBD-0EAE89F7069E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Refreshing attitude, Dave! James Forsman jamesforsman at me.com https://jrquark.smugmug.com/HamRadio > On Mar 16, 2019, at 5:13 AM, David Wilcox via Elecraft wrote: > > Try 1000 watts for one month. Then 500 watts for the next month. Don?t tell anyone. From dmvrreid at msn.com Sat Mar 16 11:47:53 2019 From: dmvrreid at msn.com (DAN REID) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 15:47:53 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] How to access fuse block? Message-ID: Greetings, Recently purchased kpa-500 and need to know how to access fuse block to insert fuse. Configuration not userfriendly for the blind. Any directions would be appreciated. Thanks, Dan Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From w5sum at comcast.net Sat Mar 16 12:25:22 2019 From: w5sum at comcast.net (w5sum at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 11:25:22 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] I'm a new Father of a KPA1500! Message-ID: I just purchased KPA-1500 S/N 0190, from N5FH. Mr. Floyd gave me a great deal on it.. considering it has not even had one second of operation. Floyd received this from Elecraft in May of 2018. I?m looking forward to getting it hooked to my K3 in the next day or so! YIPPEE! Ronnie W5SUM K-3, KX2, KX3 Owner yeah.. I like Elecraft.. even though I had to buy the hat LOL From c-hawley at illinois.edu Sat Mar 16 12:52:14 2019 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 16:52:14 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] I'm a new Father of a KPA1500! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's a nice high quality hat. I got mine in a product deal, but the price is well within the range for high quality baseball caps. Chuck Hawley c-hawley at illinois.edu Amateur Radio, KE9UW aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles ________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of w5sum at comcast.net Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 11:25 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] I'm a new Father of a KPA1500! I just purchased KPA-1500 S/N 0190, from N5FH. Mr. Floyd gave me a great deal on it.. considering it has not even had one second of operation. Floyd received this from Elecraft in May of 2018. I?m looking forward to getting it hooked to my K3 in the next day or so! YIPPEE! Ronnie W5SUM K-3, KX2, KX3 Owner yeah.. I like Elecraft.. even though I had to buy the hat LOL ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jackbrindle at me.com Sat Mar 16 13:15:54 2019 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 10:15:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] I'm a new Father of a KPA1500! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5E93688A-4225-47CC-8F34-0135E82FA8FA@me.com> Ronnie; Congratulations. Now before you put it on the air, be sure to upgrade it to the latest firmware. A lot has changed since May 2018, and we have made a lot of improvements. In fact the latest release is an important one for your amp. Also, make sure the K3 has the latest firmware so that it talks to the KPA1500 properly. So, upgrade, then enjoy your amplifier! 73! Jack, W6FB > On Mar 16, 2019, at 9:25 AM, w5sum at comcast.net wrote: > > I just purchased KPA-1500 S/N 0190, from N5FH. Mr. Floyd gave me a great deal on it.. considering it has not even had one second of operation. Floyd received this from Elecraft in May of 2018. > > I?m looking forward to getting it hooked to my K3 in the next day or so! > > YIPPEE! > > Ronnie W5SUM > > K-3, KX2, KX3 Owner > > yeah.. I like Elecraft.. even though I had to buy the hat LOL > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From k9jri at mac.com Sat Mar 16 13:28:03 2019 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 13:28:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD Function key #'s mapping/Macro Assignments not matching K3 util assignments In-Reply-To: <1C490C22-10AB-45F0-A982-541EFCE18EA8@gmail.com> References: <1C490C22-10AB-45F0-A982-541EFCE18EA8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <81A09E65-F8A7-477E-BF64-3EEFE0692C81@mac.com> My Mac OS version of the K3 utility writes all 16 macros and has for several different MAC OS versions. Currently on Mojave and zero problems with any of the Elecraft utilities. Very 73 - Mike - K9JRI > On Mar 16, 2019, at 8:10 AM, Brian ?VE3BWP? Pietrzyk wrote: > > It turns out the Mac version of the Elecraft k3 utility has a defect. It does not write Macros 10-16 to the K3. The windows (eww!) k3 util writes the macros fine so K-Pod working now as documented. > > Now if I could just get diversity receive to work as documented.. > > Thanks to Doug at Elecraft support for working through this with me through a power outage at their site! > > Thanks, > > Brian ve3bwp > >> On Mar 14, 2019, at 7:02 PM, wrote: >> >> Quite often folks forget a trailing semicolon after each command. It?s not optional, even if there's only one command in a macro, that one command must end in semicolon. >> >> GL! >> >> 73 de Dick, K6KR >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Brian Pietrzyk (ve3bwp) >> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 15:37 >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD Function key #'s mapping/Macro Assignments not matching K3 util assignments >> >> I read through the archive and found no mention of this issue: >> >> I just got a k-Pod and a K3s and am wanting to program Function keys but the tap assignments don?t seem to work. The hold ones seem to. >> >> I am referring to table 11-3 / p 235 in the Fred Kady K3s pdf ebook. >> >> The table says tap F1-F8 should map to K3 Macros 9-16, Hold F1-F8 should map to K3 Macros 1-8. >> >> I assigned F1 Tap to VFO FINE and Hold F1 to VFO Course. By putting SWT49; and SWH49; commands in Macro 1 & 9 lines respectively and this works as expected. >> >> For F2 TAP I just want to toggle NR on/off. So I put SWT34; into Macro 10. When I tap F2 nothing happens and VFO B displays MACRO 1. So I put SWT34; into MACRO 2 and Hold F2 works as expected. NR toggles on/off and VFO B displays MACRO 2 as expected when I hold F2. Not sure why Tap F2 acting this way? >> >> I have the same issue with F3 & F4. I assigned BAND ^ and BAND v to tap and nothing happens and VFO B display MACRO 1. Hold F3&4 Works fine. >> >> So essentially I can only get Tap F1 to work. I have to Hold the get the rest of the function keys to work. I tried reloading the firmware into the Kpod and no change. Did I get a defective KPOD? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brian ve3bwp > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From john at kk9a.com Sat Mar 16 13:31:20 2019 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 13:31:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] I'm a new Father of a KPA1500! Message-ID: <000001d4dc1e$174a6c70$45df4550$@com> I have a two year old Elecraft hat, are there any upgrades for that? John KK9A Jack Brindle wrote: Ronnie; Congratulations. Now before you put it on the air, be sure to upgrade it to the latest firmware. A lot has changed since May 2018, and we have made a lot of improvements. In fact the latest release is an important one for your amp. Also, make sure the K3 has the latest firmware so that it talks to the KPA1500 properly. So, upgrade, then enjoy your amplifier! 73! Jack, W6FB > On Mar 16, 2019, at 9:25 AM, w5sum at comcast.net wrote: > I like Elecraft.. even though I had to buy the hat LOL From mike.flowers at gmail.com Sat Mar 16 13:35:51 2019 From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 10:35:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] I'm a new Father of a KPA1500! In-Reply-To: <000001d4dc1e$174a6c70$45df4550$@com> References: <000001d4dc1e$174a6c70$45df4550$@com> Message-ID: And what?s the latest firmware for the hat? -- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!" > On Mar 16, 2019, at 10:31 AM, wrote: > > I have a two year old Elecraft hat, are there any upgrades for that? > > John KK9A > > Jack Brindle wrote: > > Ronnie; > > Congratulations. Now before you put it on the air, be sure to upgrade it to > the latest firmware. A lot has changed since May 2018, and we have made a > lot of improvements. In fact the latest release is an important one for your > amp. Also, make sure the K3 has the latest firmware so that it talks to the > KPA1500 properly. > > So, upgrade, then enjoy your amplifier! > > 73! > Jack, W6FB > > >> On Mar 16, 2019, at 9:25 AM, w5sum at comcast.net wrote: >> > I like Elecraft.. even though I had to buy the hat LOL > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From c-hawley at illinois.edu Sat Mar 16 13:44:38 2019 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 17:44:38 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] I'm a new Father of a KPA1500! In-Reply-To: References: <000001d4dc1e$174a6c70$45df4550$@com>, Message-ID: How about a summer version? Chuck Hawley c-hawley at illinois.edu Amateur Radio, KE9UW aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles ________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of Mike Flowers Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 12:35 PM To: john at kk9a.com Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I'm a new Father of a KPA1500! And what?s the latest firmware for the hat? -- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!" > On Mar 16, 2019, at 10:31 AM, wrote: > > I have a two year old Elecraft hat, are there any upgrades for that? > > John KK9A > > Jack Brindle wrote: > > Ronnie; > > Congratulations. Now before you put it on the air, be sure to upgrade it to > the latest firmware. A lot has changed since May 2018, and we have made a > lot of improvements. In fact the latest release is an important one for your > amp. Also, make sure the K3 has the latest firmware so that it talks to the > KPA1500 properly. > > So, upgrade, then enjoy your amplifier! > > 73! > Jack, W6FB > > >> On Mar 16, 2019, at 9:25 AM, w5sum at comcast.net wrote: >> > I like Elecraft.. even though I had to buy the hat LOL > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From ve3bwp at gmail.com Sat Mar 16 13:54:28 2019 From: ve3bwp at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Brian_=E2=80=9CVE3BWP=E2=80=9D_Pietrzyk?=) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 13:54:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD Function key #'s mapping/Macro Assignments not matching K3 util assignments In-Reply-To: <81A09E65-F8A7-477E-BF64-3EEFE0692C81@mac.com> References: <1C490C22-10AB-45F0-A982-541EFCE18EA8@gmail.com> <81A09E65-F8A7-477E-BF64-3EEFE0692C81@mac.com> Message-ID: <997E795F-6D30-4314-B6ED-86349C494BD0@gmail.com> I'm on Mojave 10.14.3 running K3 Util 1.16.6.25. I tried my shack MB air and my MB pro. Same issue. Weird. Using Windows util as a work around. Still a few things not matching up with the Fred Cady or stock documentation so could still be something with the rig. Not getting diversity receive to work as documented. The adventure continues... > On Mar 16, 2019, at 1:28 PM, Michael Blake wrote: > > My Mac OS version of the K3 utility writes all 16 macros and has for several different MAC OS versions. Currently on Mojave and zero problems with any of the Elecraft utilities. > > Very 73 - Mike - K9JRI > > > > > > >> On Mar 16, 2019, at 8:10 AM, Brian ?VE3BWP? Pietrzyk wrote: >> >> It turns out the Mac version of the Elecraft k3 utility has a defect. It does not write Macros 10-16 to the K3. The windows (eww!) k3 util writes the macros fine so K-Pod working now as documented. >> >> Now if I could just get diversity receive to work as documented.. >> >> Thanks to Doug at Elecraft support for working through this with me through a power outage at their site! >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brian ve3bwp >> >>> On Mar 14, 2019, at 7:02 PM, wrote: >>> >>> Quite often folks forget a trailing semicolon after each command. It?s not optional, even if there's only one command in a macro, that one command must end in semicolon. >>> >>> GL! >>> >>> 73 de Dick, K6KR >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Brian Pietrzyk (ve3bwp) >>> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 15:37 >>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD Function key #'s mapping/Macro Assignments not matching K3 util assignments >>> >>> I read through the archive and found no mention of this issue: >>> >>> I just got a k-Pod and a K3s and am wanting to program Function keys but the tap assignments don?t seem to work. The hold ones seem to. >>> >>> I am referring to table 11-3 / p 235 in the Fred Kady K3s pdf ebook. >>> >>> The table says tap F1-F8 should map to K3 Macros 9-16, Hold F1-F8 should map to K3 Macros 1-8. >>> >>> I assigned F1 Tap to VFO FINE and Hold F1 to VFO Course. By putting SWT49; and SWH49; commands in Macro 1 & 9 lines respectively and this works as expected. >>> >>> For F2 TAP I just want to toggle NR on/off. So I put SWT34; into Macro 10. When I tap F2 nothing happens and VFO B displays MACRO 1. So I put SWT34; into MACRO 2 and Hold F2 works as expected. NR toggles on/off and VFO B displays MACRO 2 as expected when I hold F2. Not sure why Tap F2 acting this way? >>> >>> I have the same issue with F3 & F4. I assigned BAND ^ and BAND v to tap and nothing happens and VFO B display MACRO 1. Hold F3&4 Works fine. >>> >>> So essentially I can only get Tap F1 to work. I have to Hold the get the rest of the function keys to work. I tried reloading the firmware into the Kpod and no change. Did I get a defective KPOD? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Brian ve3bwp >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From a.durbin at msn.com Sat Mar 16 14:39:18 2019 From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 18:39:18 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] How to access fuse block? Message-ID: "Recently purchased kpa-500 and need to know how to access fuse block to insert fuse. Configuration not user friendly for the blind. Any directions would be appreciated." There are instructions and photos in the Owner's Manual but I found it awkward to work on even with normal sight. I'd suggest asking for sighted help but if that's not an option send me an email and I'll try to write up some instructions for you to follow. I have helped a few local ops with vision impairment. 73, Andy, k3wyc From radiok4ia at gmail.com Sat Mar 16 14:57:45 2019 From: radiok4ia at gmail.com (Buck) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 14:57:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Noise Message-ID: I never use a microphone so here I am today trying to run voice in the Va QSO party. When I key the mic, I get a burst of noise that lasts maybe a half second. It does this even if I have the rig in "test" mode ie. no transmit. So, I don't think it is RF. I have tried adjusting the mic gain and changing mics - no luck. It does the same thing using VOX except the noise cycles about every half second. Anyone have an idea? -- k4ia, Buck K3# 101 Honor Roll 8B DXCC EasyWayHamBooks.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Mar 16 15:41:20 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 15:41:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0a7efe04-ecfd-2d0e-844e-970a96e6be73@embarqmail.com> Buck, Which transceiver and which microphone? If the K3, are you using the front panel mic jack or the jack in the back? How do you have MIC SEL set? 73, Don W3FPR On 3/16/2019 2:57 PM, Buck wrote: > I never use a microphone so here I am today trying to run voice in the > Va QSO party. > > When I key the mic, I get a burst of noise that lasts maybe a half > second.? It does this even if I have the rig in "test" mode ie. no > transmit.? So, I don't think it is RF. > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sat Mar 16 15:57:17 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 14:57:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is this a dynamic mike with the bias turned on??? If so, turn the bias off.?? I trust this is a mike connected to the MIC input on the front of the radio.? If you are using the front mike input and something is connected to the rear MIC input, unplug what ever is connected to the rear input. Good luck in the VA QSO party.?? There's lots of activity. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/16/2019 1:57 PM, Buck wrote: > I never use a microphone so here I am today trying to run voice in the > Va QSO party. > > When I key the mic, I get a burst of noise that lasts maybe a half > second.? It does this even if I have the rig in "test" mode ie. no > transmit.? So, I don't think it is RF. > > I have tried adjusting the mic gain and changing mics - no luck. It > does the same thing using VOX except the noise cycles about every half > second. > > Anyone have an idea? From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Mar 16 16:23:48 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 16:23:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] How to access fuse block? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15701dda-c639-5ac5-7122-e770c276a071@embarqmail.com> Dan, In my opinion, that fuse block will be difficult for an amateur without at least some limited sight. First you have to use a screwdriver to pry out the block. Inserting the fuses might possibly be done using only tactile sensation, but inserting the fuse block the right way up so the proper voltage is shown in the window would be difficult without sight. If you can get the assistance of someone who has normal sight, the procedure is shown on pages 5 and 6 of the KPA500. It is not difficult. I am not certain why the fuses are not installed before shipment, but I always assumed it was because different fuses are used for 120 volt and 240 volt operation, and the operator is forced to make that 120 or 240 volt decision before he can apply power and possibly damage the amplifier if the wrong one is selected. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/16/2019 11:47 AM, DAN REID wrote: > Greetings, > Recently purchased kpa-500 and need to know how to access fuse block to insert fuse. Configuration not userfriendly for the blind. Any directions would be appreciated. Thanks, Dan From radiok4ia at gmail.com Sat Mar 16 16:24:46 2019 From: radiok4ia at gmail.com (Buck) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 16:24:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Noise In-Reply-To: <0a7efe04-ecfd-2d0e-844e-970a96e6be73@embarqmail.com> References: <0a7efe04-ecfd-2d0e-844e-970a96e6be73@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <999d2db0-d0ef-3a99-d745-ad1d2502ba25@Gmail.com> Thanks. I was using a Heil Goldline and also tried an Elecraft MH4 plugged in the front. I get the same noise on FP.L and FP.H Bias is off. And, I still get the noise even when in TEST mode, so there is no RF. I had the Tx Dly on the K3S set to 8. I set it to 15 and the problem went away. Was I hitting the amp too soon? Amp is a KPA500. Now the problem is back, even with the Tx Dly set to 20. k4ia, Buck K3# 101 Honor Roll 8B DXCC EasyWayHamBooks.com On 3/16/2019 3:41 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Buck, > > Which transceiver and which microphone? > If the K3, are you using the front panel mic jack or the jack in the back? > How do you have MIC SEL set? > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/16/2019 2:57 PM, Buck wrote: >> I never use a microphone so here I am today trying to run voice in the >> Va QSO party. >> >> When I key the mic, I get a burst of noise that lasts maybe a half >> second.? It does this even if I have the rig in "test" mode ie. no >> transmit.? So, I don't think it is RF. >> From ghyoungman at gmail.com Sat Mar 16 16:30:42 2019 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 16:30:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Noise In-Reply-To: <999d2db0-d0ef-3a99-d745-ad1d2502ba25@Gmail.com> References: <0a7efe04-ecfd-2d0e-844e-970a96e6be73@embarqmail.com> <999d2db0-d0ef-3a99-d745-ad1d2502ba25@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <11DF529F-1D63-4AD2-B475-2E8FBA87AD55@gmail.com> Not sure about the Heil, but the MH4 requires Bias to be ON. Grant NQ5T K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 > On Mar 16, 2019, at 4:24 PM, Buck wrote: > > Thanks. I was using a Heil Goldline and also tried an Elecraft MH4 plugged in the front. I get the same noise on FP.L and FP.H Bias is off. And, I still get the noise even when in TEST mode, so there is no RF. > > I had the Tx Dly on the K3S set to 8. I set it to 15 and the problem went away. Was I hitting the amp too soon? Amp is a KPA500. > > Now the problem is back, even with the Tx Dly set to 20. > > From n1ix at n1ix.com Sat Mar 16 16:41:48 2019 From: n1ix at n1ix.com (n1ix at n1ix.com) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 16:41:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB KAT500 Message-ID: <001001d4dc38$ad8b8bf0$08a2a3d0$@n1ix.com> I'm ready to order a new KAT500 but I thought I'd see if someone had one that they wanted to sell first. 73 Dave N1IX From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Mar 16 16:43:08 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 16:43:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Noise In-Reply-To: <999d2db0-d0ef-3a99-d745-ad1d2502ba25@Gmail.com> References: <0a7efe04-ecfd-2d0e-844e-970a96e6be73@embarqmail.com> <999d2db0-d0ef-3a99-d745-ad1d2502ba25@Gmail.com> Message-ID: Buck, The Heil Goldline mic is a dynamic type, last I heard it has an HC-5 element.? It should have bias off. The Elecraft MH4 is an electret type and must have bias set on - use "FP.L bias" It may just be that you have too much mic gain - start with a mid-range setting.? The mic preamp can shut down if it receivers too much signal. Make sure there is nothing plugged into the rear mic jack - although MIC SEL should allow you to switch from one to another. If you are not successful, do you have one of the computer type microphones?? If so, plug it into the rear mic jack, set MIC SEL to "RP.L bias" and see if you get any audio. Have you made any changes to the Front Panel assembly where you removed the DSP board?? If so, there is one connector between the Front Panel board and DSP board that if not mated properly will cause the front panel audio to fail. The TX DLY should have nothing to do with it.? The KPA500 becomes active with very little delay. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/16/2019 4:24 PM, Buck wrote: > Thanks. I was using a Heil Goldline and also tried an Elecraft MH4 > plugged in the front.? I get the same noise on FP.L and FP.H? Bias is > off.? And, I still get the noise even when in TEST mode, so there is > no RF. > > I had the Tx Dly on the K3S set to 8.? I set it to 15 and the problem > went away.? Was I hitting the amp too soon?? Amp is a KPA500. > > Now the problem is back, even with the Tx Dly set to 20. > > > k4ia, Buck > K3# 101 > Honor Roll? 8B DXCC > EasyWayHamBooks.com > > On 3/16/2019 3:41 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Buck, >> >> Which transceiver and which microphone? >> If the K3, are you using the front panel mic jack or the jack in the >> back? >> How do you have MIC SEL set? >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 3/16/2019 2:57 PM, Buck wrote: >>> I never use a microphone so here I am today trying to run voice in >>> the Va QSO party. >>> >>> When I key the mic, I get a burst of noise that lasts maybe a half >>> second.? It does this even if I have the rig in "test" mode ie. no >>> transmit.? So, I don't think it is RF. >>> > From nr4c at widomaker.com Sat Mar 16 16:46:16 2019 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 16:46:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] I'm a new Father of a KPA1500! In-Reply-To: <000001d4dc1e$174a6c70$45df4550$@com> References: <000001d4dc1e$174a6c70$45df4550$@com> Message-ID: <9B7825FA-B99A-407A-BD07-19A5DC87486E@widomaker.com> What serial number series? Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 16, 2019, at 1:31 PM, wrote: > > I have a two year old Elecraft hat, are there any upgrades for that? > > John KK9A > > Jack Brindle wrote: > > Ronnie; > > Congratulations. Now before you put it on the air, be sure to upgrade it to > the latest firmware. A lot has changed since May 2018, and we have made a > lot of improvements. In fact the latest release is an important one for your > amp. Also, make sure the K3 has the latest firmware so that it talks to the > KPA1500 properly. > > So, upgrade, then enjoy your amplifier! > > 73! > Jack, W6FB > > >> On Mar 16, 2019, at 9:25 AM, w5sum at comcast.net wrote: >> > I like Elecraft.. even though I had to buy the hat LOL > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From edauer at law.du.edu Sat Mar 16 16:52:29 2019 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 20:52:29 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Pig Knob for Sale Message-ID: Pignology Pig Knob remote controller for K3, KX3, other rigs. Like new, almost never used -- the K-POD came out right after I bought it. Includes cables. Original cost with cables approx. $150. For those unfamiliar with it, a good short video from the developer is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RF4euwQ39g Will sell for $50 plus shipping (about $15 USPS Priority). Sorry, no Pay Pal. Ted, KN1CBR From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sat Mar 16 17:31:53 2019 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 13:31:53 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PA Current Message-ID: <201903162131.x2GLVtoC011678@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> In the same vein: I recently tried out my new 2m 1500w sspa at 750w in SSB and stations on my net only stated a slight increase in signal 100 miles away vs running 130w. That should have indicated more than one s-unit stronger (10Log (750/130)=7.6 dB). Definitely a "knee" in signal strength where change is most significant and where change above is not so much. HF that should even be more compressed. Raising antenna ten feet above tree top is worth at least 10-dB in signal improvement at VHF (and way more as freq is increased into UHF+). I can lower my 2m array to 4-foot AGL by use of a winch. Going from there to about 40-feet (tree top) is worth maybe 5-dB. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From c-hawley at illinois.edu Sat Mar 16 17:48:21 2019 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 21:48:21 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] How to access fuse block? In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: From: hawley, charles j jr Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 11:50 AM To: DAN REID; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: How to access fuse block? You will need someone to visually see the correct selected mains voltage and fuse ratings to complete this job. The instructions say to face the line cord area and with the line cord on the left, feel for the slot on the right and pry it up with a small screwdriver to open up the fuse area. then prying from the same side, pry the fuse block straight out completely. The 6 amp fuses are for 240 vac and the 12 amp fuses for the 120 vac. The fuses are inserted with the springy end toward the rear of the fuse holder when it is reinserted. The fuse holder will have to be rotated 180 degrees vertically depending on the desired mains voltage selected. The correct mains voltage should appear on the right side of the fuse holder block and be visible in the cover window when it is pressed back closed. As you reinsert the fuse holder press the springy ends of the fuses into the block with your fingers so that the block can be started into the fuse holder cavity. The fuse holder is inserted all the way so that it is pressed in flush with the area it is inserted into. Then push close the cover closed. Chuck Hawley c-hawley at illinois.edu Amateur Radio, KE9UW aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles ________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of DAN REID Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 10:47 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] How to access fuse block? Greetings, Recently purchased kpa-500 and need to know how to access fuse block to insert fuse. Configuration not userfriendly for the blind. Any directions would be appreciated. Thanks, Dan Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sat Mar 16 17:55:37 2019 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 14:55:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Noise In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've kept my MH2 plugged into the front panel and the CM500 plugged into the back for years, and used the MIC SEL to switch between them. It has always worked well. Note that both mics require bias. Heil sells both electret and dynamic elements, so refer to the documentation, or web site, or people who have the same mic element working. 73 Bill AE^JV On 3/16/19 at 1:43 PM, donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote: >Make sure there is nothing plugged into the rear mic jack - >although MIC SEL should allow you to switch from one to another. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Since the IBM Selectric, keyboards have gotten 408-356-8506 | steadily worse. Now we have touchscreen keyboards. www.pwpconsult.com | Can we make something even worse? From c-hawley at illinois.edu Sat Mar 16 18:09:00 2019 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 22:09:00 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] New KSYN3A in K3 requires 2 of them if you have the sub receiver? Message-ID: Why do you need two new KSYN3As if you have both receivers? What if you don/t need to do diversity reception? Chuck Hawley c-hawley at illinois.edu Amateur Radio, KE9UW aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Mar 16 18:24:38 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 18:24:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New KSYN3A in K3 requires 2 of them if you have the sub receiver? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <62192242-42d4-a7f2-2376-aa9988295f07@embarqmail.com> Chuck Normal operation (not Diversity) with the SUB on needs a synthesizer for each receiver. VFO A and VFO B must tune independently, and that requires one for each VFO. You cannot mix synthesizers, they must both be the same. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/16/2019 6:09 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > Why do you need two new KSYN3As if you have both receivers? What if you don/t need to do diversity reception? > From c-hawley at illinois.edu Sat Mar 16 18:27:25 2019 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 22:27:25 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] New KSYN3A in K3 requires 2 of them if you have the sub receiver? In-Reply-To: <62192242-42d4-a7f2-2376-aa9988295f07@embarqmail.com> References: , <62192242-42d4-a7f2-2376-aa9988295f07@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: That was sort of my question, why to the synthesizers have to be the same? What if they are not? What would happen if they were not the same? Something bad...not work at all? Chuck Hawley c-hawley at illinois.edu Amateur Radio, KE9UW aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles ________________________________ From: Don Wilhelm Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 5:24 PM To: hawley, charles j jr; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New KSYN3A in K3 requires 2 of them if you have the sub receiver? Chuck Normal operation (not Diversity) with the SUB on needs a synthesizer for each receiver. VFO A and VFO B must tune independently, and that requires one for each VFO. You cannot mix synthesizers, they must both be the same. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/16/2019 6:09 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > Why do you need two new KSYN3As if you have both receivers? What if you don/t need to do diversity reception? > From c-hawley at illinois.edu Sat Mar 16 18:22:58 2019 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 22:22:58 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Why are the batteries internal to the KX3? Message-ID: I don't like to disassemble the KX3 to take out the batteries when not using or to do battery maintenance. I would rather have a slim case with the same rectangular outline as the KX3 that attaches to the rear panel and just plugs into the KX3 thru the external DC input. Has anyone done that as an accessory product? Chuck Hawley c-hawley at illinois.edu Amateur Radio, KE9UW aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Mar 16 18:59:42 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 18:59:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New KSYN3A in K3 requires 2 of them if you have the sub receiver? In-Reply-To: References: <62192242-42d4-a7f2-2376-aa9988295f07@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <3fa9ad2f-2501-e6b9-6e3d-c46c6c0b186c@embarqmail.com> Chuck, If you want the K3 to power up without errors and work properly, the synthesizers must be the same. You can always remove the KRX3 and operate with one synthesizer. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/16/2019 6:27 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > That was sort of my question, why to the synthesizers have to be the > same? What if they are not? What would happen if they were not the > same? Something bad...not work at all? > > Chuck Hawley > ?c-hawley at illinois.edu > From nr4c at widomaker.com Sat Mar 16 18:59:44 2019 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 18:59:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I?ve had CM500 (bias) plunged into rear mic jack and various Heil dynamic mics (no bias) plunged into front panel ever since I?ve owned my K3 and K3S with no issue. This guy has some other issue. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 16, 2019, at 5:55 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > > I've kept my MH2 plugged into the front panel and the CM500 plugged into the back for years, and used the MIC SEL to switch between them. It has always worked well. > > Note that both mics require bias. Heil sells both electret and dynamic elements, so refer to the documentation, or web site, or people who have the same mic element working. > > 73 Bill AE^JV > >> On 3/16/19 at 1:43 PM, donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote: >> >> Make sure there is nothing plugged into the rear mic jack - although MIC SEL should allow you to switch from one to another. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz | Since the IBM Selectric, keyboards have gotten > 408-356-8506 | steadily worse. Now we have touchscreen keyboards. > www.pwpconsult.com | Can we make something even worse? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Mar 16 19:07:09 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 19:07:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Why are the batteries internal to the KX3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9c553540-3002-4387-a424-854d4be8acdd@embarqmail.com> Chuck, How long are you "not using" the KX3? If the time is not several weeks, the batteries can stay in. For battery maintenance, if you have the KXBC3 option installed, and Low Self Discharge NiMH batteries installed, just connect to a power source with enough voltage and do a maintenance charge on the batteries every couple weeks. You can always remove the batteries and use an external power source. Of course, if you have the KXBC3 option, the RTC will not keep time with the batteries removed. The KX2 internal battery pack can be used external to the KX3 - just plug it in. Get the KXBC2 to charge the KX2 battery pack. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/16/2019 6:22 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > I don't like to disassemble the KX3 to take out the batteries when not using or to do battery maintenance. > I would rather have a slim case with the same rectangular outline as the KX3 that attaches to the rear panel and just plugs into the KX3 thru the external DC input. > Has anyone done that as an accessory product? > From c-hawley at illinois.edu Sat Mar 16 19:08:07 2019 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 23:08:07 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] New KSYN3A in K3 requires 2 of them if you have the sub receiver? In-Reply-To: <3fa9ad2f-2501-e6b9-6e3d-c46c6c0b186c@embarqmail.com> References: <62192242-42d4-a7f2-2376-aa9988295f07@embarqmail.com> , <3fa9ad2f-2501-e6b9-6e3d-c46c6c0b186c@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Ok, thanks for the info. I just wondered what the consequences would be. I can imagine why they would have to be the same to sync the same. Chuck Hawley c-hawley at illinois.edu Amateur Radio, KE9UW aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles ________________________________ From: Don Wilhelm Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 5:59 PM To: hawley, charles j jr; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New KSYN3A in K3 requires 2 of them if you have the sub receiver? Chuck, If you want the K3 to power up without errors and work properly, the synthesizers must be the same. You can always remove the KRX3 and operate with one synthesizer. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/16/2019 6:27 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > That was sort of my question, why to the synthesizers have to be the > same? What if they are not? What would happen if they were not the > same? Something bad...not work at all? > > Chuck Hawley > c-hawley at illinois.edu > From c-hawley at illinois.edu Sat Mar 16 19:13:11 2019 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 23:13:11 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Why are the batteries internal to the KX3? In-Reply-To: <9c553540-3002-4387-a424-854d4be8acdd@embarqmail.com> References: , <9c553540-3002-4387-a424-854d4be8acdd@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Probably months. I have been charging it with the KXBC3 this week a couple times about 3 hours each time. The batteries do stay up to around 10 volts even for more than a couple months. Interesting option to use the KX2 battery. Might be a plan. Chuck Hawley c-hawley at illinois.edu Amateur Radio, KE9UW aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles ________________________________ From: Don Wilhelm Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 6:07 PM To: hawley, charles j jr; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Why are the batteries internal to the KX3? Chuck, How long are you "not using" the KX3? If the time is not several weeks, the batteries can stay in. For battery maintenance, if you have the KXBC3 option installed, and Low Self Discharge NiMH batteries installed, just connect to a power source with enough voltage and do a maintenance charge on the batteries every couple weeks. You can always remove the batteries and use an external power source. Of course, if you have the KXBC3 option, the RTC will not keep time with the batteries removed. The KX2 internal battery pack can be used external to the KX3 - just plug it in. Get the KXBC2 to charge the KX2 battery pack. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/16/2019 6:22 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > I don't like to disassemble the KX3 to take out the batteries when not using or to do battery maintenance. > I would rather have a slim case with the same rectangular outline as the KX3 that attaches to the rear panel and just plugs into the KX3 thru the external DC input. > Has anyone done that as an accessory product? > From radiok4ia at gmail.com Sat Mar 16 19:13:16 2019 From: radiok4ia at gmail.com (Buck) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 19:13:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Noise In-Reply-To: References: <0a7efe04-ecfd-2d0e-844e-970a96e6be73@embarqmail.com> <999d2db0-d0ef-3a99-d745-ad1d2502ba25@Gmail.com> Message-ID: I've tried all the combination of mics and mic bias. The noise happens even with the mic gain turned all the way down and the rig in TEST mode. It happens when N1MM is not running. It happens using the internal DVR card. It happens with the mic disconnected and using the XMIT button on the front of the radio. - Here is a clue. If I turn on the VOX and reduce the either the RF or AF gain on the receiver, I start getting the noise about once every half second. It sounds like it starts with a "ping." Sounds like something is polling the radio. If I disconnect the USB cable on the back of the radio, no noise. It seemed to be properly seated. Now, if I plug the USB cable back into the radio, no noise. Have I found the culprit? A lose USB cable? k4ia, Buck K3# 101 Honor Roll 8B DXCC EasyWayHamBooks.com On 3/16/2019 4:43 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Buck, > > The Heil Goldline mic is a dynamic type, last I heard it has an HC-5 > element.? It should have bias off. > The Elecraft MH4 is an electret type and must have bias set on - use > "FP.L bias" > > It may just be that you have too much mic gain - start with a mid-range > setting.? The mic preamp can shut down if it receivers too much signal. > > Make sure there is nothing plugged into the rear mic jack - although MIC > SEL should allow you to switch from one to another. > > If you are not successful, do you have one of the computer type > microphones?? If so, plug it into the rear mic jack, set MIC SEL to > "RP.L bias" and see if you get any audio. > > Have you made any changes to the Front Panel assembly where you removed > the DSP board?? If so, there is one connector between the Front Panel > board and DSP board that if not mated properly will cause the front > panel audio to fail. > > The TX DLY should have nothing to do with it.? The KPA500 becomes active > with very little delay. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/16/2019 4:24 PM, Buck wrote: >> Thanks. I was using a Heil Goldline and also tried an Elecraft MH4 >> plugged in the front.? I get the same noise on FP.L and FP.H? Bias is >> off.? And, I still get the noise even when in TEST mode, so there is >> no RF. >> >> I had the Tx Dly on the K3S set to 8.? I set it to 15 and the problem >> went away.? Was I hitting the amp too soon?? Amp is a KPA500. >> >> Now the problem is back, even with the Tx Dly set to 20. >> >> >> k4ia, Buck >> K3# 101 >> Honor Roll? 8B DXCC >> EasyWayHamBooks.com >> >> On 3/16/2019 3:41 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>> Buck, >>> >>> Which transceiver and which microphone? >>> If the K3, are you using the front panel mic jack or the jack in the >>> back? >>> How do you have MIC SEL set? >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> >>> On 3/16/2019 2:57 PM, Buck wrote: >>>> I never use a microphone so here I am today trying to run voice in >>>> the Va QSO party. >>>> >>>> When I key the mic, I get a burst of noise that lasts maybe a half >>>> second.? It does this even if I have the rig in "test" mode ie. no >>>> transmit.? So, I don't think it is RF. >>>> >> > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Mar 16 19:30:28 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 16:30:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PA Current In-Reply-To: <201903162131.x2GLVtoC011678@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201903162131.x2GLVtoC011678@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: On 3/16/2019 2:31 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > In the same vein:? I recently tried out my new 2m 1500w sspa at 750w > in SSB and stations on my net only stated a slight increase in signal > 100 miles away vs running 130w.? That should have indicated more than > one s-unit stronger (10Log (750/130)=7.6 dB). > > Definitely a "knee" in signal strength where change is most > significant and where change above is not so much.? HF that should > even be more compressed. What you're calling a "knee" is better described as a combination of receiver AGC,? perception of loudness and signal to noise by our ear/brain function, and how various signal characteristics combine to provide speech intelligibility. A change in OVERALL loudness of 6-10 dB is perceived as twice (or half) as loud when the signal is well above the noise, and 1 dB is about the smallest change IN OVERALL loudness that untrained listeners can perceive. But when the signal is close to the noise, a few dB change in the signal to noise ratio often makes a big difference in speech intelligibility. And what I learned in my professional life and have been teaching the ham community for more than ten years is that speech intelligibility is most strongly dependent on components in the 800 Hz to 3 kHz range, with higher frequencies making a small additional contribution. Roughly half of the ENERGY in speech is below 500 Hz, but this sound makes almost no contribution to speech intelligibility. SO -- using TXEQ to remove that sound is the equivalent of doubling the effective talk power (3dB)!? This is why I've always recommended setting TXEQ for max cut in the three lowest bands, 6 dB cut in the 4th band (400 Hz), and a small boost (3-6 dB) in the top two bands. Careful use of good speech compression can add another 10dB of talk power, so the combination of EQ and compression can improve signal to noise by 13 dB, which is equivalent to multiplying transmitter power? by 20! > Raising antenna ten feet above tree top is worth at least 10-dB in > signal improvement at VHF (and way more as freq is increased into > UHF+).? I can lower my 2m array to 4-foot AGL by use of a winch. Going > from there to about 40-feet (tree top) is worth maybe 5-dB. Yes, and height above ground can matter a LOT on the HF bands. http://k9yc.com/AntennaPlanning.pdf 73, Jim K9YC From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Mar 16 19:36:58 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 19:36:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Noise In-Reply-To: References: <0a7efe04-ecfd-2d0e-844e-970a96e6be73@embarqmail.com> <999d2db0-d0ef-3a99-d745-ad1d2502ba25@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <18addf61-11e1-833b-553d-503b4e3b0ed3@embarqmail.com> Buck, I would suggest that you not worry about the noise burst until you can get a good response out of the mic. If you do not have a computer mic handy, borrow one and plug it into the rear panel mic jack.? See if you can obtain a response on the ALC meter with that microphone.? All computer type microphones need bias.? Buy one if you must - they can be had for just a few dollars (less than what the frustration is costing you). If the rear mic jack works, then your problem may be the DSP board to Front Panel connector mating that I mentioned. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/16/2019 7:13 PM, Buck wrote: > I've tried all the combination of mics and mic bias.? The noise > happens even with the mic gain turned all the way down and the rig in > TEST mode. ?It happens when N1MM is not running.? It happens using the > internal DVR card.? It happens with the mic disconnected and using the > XMIT button on the front of the radio. > - > Here is a clue.? If I turn on the VOX and reduce the either the RF or > AF gain on the receiver, I start getting the noise about once every > half second.? It sounds like it starts with a "ping." Sounds like > something is polling the radio. > > If I disconnect the USB cable on the back of the radio, no noise. It > seemed to be properly seated.? Now, if I plug the USB cable back into > the radio, no noise.? Have I found the culprit?? A lose USB cable? > From jackbrindle at me.com Sat Mar 16 19:49:57 2019 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 16:49:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Noise In-Reply-To: References: <0a7efe04-ecfd-2d0e-844e-970a96e6be73@embarqmail.com> <999d2db0-d0ef-3a99-d745-ad1d2502ba25@Gmail.com> Message-ID: That could be. USB and computer connections are notorious for causing problems if they are not shielded or connected properly. By unplugging and replugging the USB cable you just may have seated it properly and fixed things. Play with the radio for a while, on the air, and let us know if it actually did solve your problem. 73! Jack, W6FB > On Mar 16, 2019, at 4:13 PM, Buck wrote: > > I've tried all the combination of mics and mic bias. The noise happens even with the mic gain turned all the way down and the rig in TEST mode. It happens when N1MM is not running. It happens using the internal DVR card. It happens with the mic disconnected and using the XMIT button on the front of the radio. > - > Here is a clue. If I turn on the VOX and reduce the either the RF or AF gain on the receiver, I start getting the noise about once every half second. It sounds like it starts with a "ping." Sounds like something is polling the radio. > > If I disconnect the USB cable on the back of the radio, no noise. It seemed to be properly seated. Now, if I plug the USB cable back into the radio, no noise. Have I found the culprit? A lose USB cable? > > k4ia, Buck > K3# 101 > Honor Roll 8B DXCC > EasyWayHamBooks.com > > On 3/16/2019 4:43 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Buck, >> The Heil Goldline mic is a dynamic type, last I heard it has an HC-5 element. It should have bias off. >> The Elecraft MH4 is an electret type and must have bias set on - use "FP.L bias" >> It may just be that you have too much mic gain - start with a mid-range setting. The mic preamp can shut down if it receivers too much signal. >> Make sure there is nothing plugged into the rear mic jack - although MIC SEL should allow you to switch from one to another. >> If you are not successful, do you have one of the computer type microphones? If so, plug it into the rear mic jack, set MIC SEL to "RP.L bias" and see if you get any audio. >> Have you made any changes to the Front Panel assembly where you removed the DSP board? If so, there is one connector between the Front Panel board and DSP board that if not mated properly will cause the front panel audio to fail. >> The TX DLY should have nothing to do with it. The KPA500 becomes active with very little delay. >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> On 3/16/2019 4:24 PM, Buck wrote: >>> Thanks. I was using a Heil Goldline and also tried an Elecraft MH4 plugged in the front. I get the same noise on FP.L and FP.H Bias is off. And, I still get the noise even when in TEST mode, so there is no RF. >>> >>> I had the Tx Dly on the K3S set to 8. I set it to 15 and the problem went away. Was I hitting the amp too soon? Amp is a KPA500. >>> >>> Now the problem is back, even with the Tx Dly set to 20. >>> >>> >>> k4ia, Buck >>> K3# 101 >>> Honor Roll 8B DXCC >>> EasyWayHamBooks.com >>> >>> On 3/16/2019 3:41 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>>> Buck, >>>> >>>> Which transceiver and which microphone? >>>> If the K3, are you using the front panel mic jack or the jack in the back? >>>> How do you have MIC SEL set? >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Don W3FPR >>>> >>>> On 3/16/2019 2:57 PM, Buck wrote: >>>>> I never use a microphone so here I am today trying to run voice in the Va QSO party. >>>>> >>>>> When I key the mic, I get a burst of noise that lasts maybe a half second. It does this even if I have the rig in "test" mode ie. no transmit. So, I don't think it is RF. >>>>> >>> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From esteptony at gmail.com Sat Mar 16 20:53:39 2019 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 19:53:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Why are the batteries internal to the KX3? In-Reply-To: References: <9c553540-3002-4387-a424-854d4be8acdd@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 6:13 PM hawley, charles j jr wrote: > ...Interesting option to use the KX2 battery.... > I have some LiPo batteries (3S, 11.1V, 3200 mAH) used in electric RC planes. I hacked off the plug from a wall-wart that fit the KX3, wired it to a connector that mates with the battery's RC connecton. They start out at 11.9V and last a long time in on-air use. Tony KT0NY From lladerman at earthlink.net Sat Mar 16 21:44:55 2019 From: lladerman at earthlink.net (W0FK) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 18:44:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/K3 Operating Tip: Working a pileup using dual watch instead of SPLIT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1552787095881-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Good summary Wayne. Using split receive/dual watch is very useful and it?s one of the best features the k3 and kx3 have available imho. There?s one other tool to add to your pileup arsenal, and that?s the P3 or PX3. Center the dx station or put his signal on the left side of the panadapter, narrow the bandwidth, look for calling stations, and tune across them. It?s a quick way to ?see? the station possibly being worked in addition to hearing them. Particularly on CW, you soon learn what a ?599? being sent looks like graphically to really speed your way to working through the pile. 73 Lou, W0FK ----- St. Louis, MO "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." Albert Einstein -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From hlyingst at yahoo.com Sat Mar 16 21:45:52 2019 From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 01:45:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Why are the batteries internal to the KX3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1649059828.6707167.1552787152375@mail.yahoo.com> I've seen some external battery cases made for the KX3 on eBay that looked similar?to what you described. On Saturday, March 16, 2019, 6:52:11 PM EDT, hawley, charles j jr wrote: I don't like to disassemble the KX3 to take out the batteries when not using or to do battery maintenance. I would rather have a slim case with the same rectangular outline as the KX3 that attaches to the rear panel and just plugs into the KX3 thru the external DC input. Has anyone done that as an accessory product? Chuck Hawley c-hawley at illinois.edu Amateur Radio, KE9UW aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From ardrhi at gmail.com Sat Mar 16 22:05:00 2019 From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 22:05:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Why are the batteries internal to the KX3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Whoops, I accidentally sent this to only one person (Sorry, Harry!), so here's the resend to the list. They aren't designed to go on the back of the radio like you suggested, but Talentcell makes some great 12v battery packs. I have one that's 8300 mAh at 12v. It has two coaxial DC sockets, one for 12v and another for 9v, and a 5v USB jack. The 12v it supplies is at 6A max. I use that one with a Y adapter to run both the KX3 and PX3, and it works great. I have a smaller one that I got for the K2 that supplies 3A at 12v with 6000mAh endurance. Both can charge from their supplied DC chargers while operating. The prices for these devices are very reasonable, and they weigh very little. They have an 11000mAh version that I didn't buy because I didn't want to spend the $20 more it would have cost...and wish I'd splurged that extra $20 and gotten the larger one just for the extra battery life. These aren't simple power banks for charging your phone. These are designed to supply power for larger devices, and with an adapter they can power CPAP machines. They're extremely durable, and are NOT bare battery packs such as you'd find for R/C applications. They're in rugged plastic cases, with power switches and LED charge level indicators. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01337QXMA/ -- the 8300mAh model I got. Works great. 73, Gwen, NG3P On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 6:51 PM hawley, charles j jr wrote: > I don't like to disassemble the KX3 to take out the batteries when not > using or to do battery maintenance. > I would rather have a slim case with the same rectangular outline as the > KX3 that attaches to the rear panel and just plugs into the KX3 thru the > external DC input. > Has anyone done that as an accessory product? > > Chuck Hawley > c-hawley at illinois.edu > > Amateur Radio, KE9UW > aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- -+-+-+-+- Jenny Everywhere's Infinite: Quark Time http://quarktime.net From huntinhmb at coastside.net Sat Mar 16 22:15:06 2019 From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 19:15:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Why are the batteries internal to the KX3? In-Reply-To: References: <9c553540-3002-4387-a424-854d4be8acdd@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: There are many LiPo battery packs available on Amazon for good prices. I bought a "12v" 6000mAh which is really 11.1v and has USB charging port. It came with charger and KX2 compatible cable. It will run the KX2 for several hours at 10w. It's about the size of a paperback book (if you remember those). 73, Brian/ K0DTJ From numbnutz33 at verizon.net Sat Mar 16 22:20:13 2019 From: numbnutz33 at verizon.net (Steve Forst) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 22:20:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] How to access fuse block? Message-ID: <857f1d92-c249-b288-a50f-4aae211f83aa@verizon.net> I mentioned to Dan on another list that while I did install the fuses myself a few years ago, I did get sighted help to confirm the right voltage was showing in the window before powering it up. It's too nice and too expensive a piece of gear to risk turning it into a smoldering pile of whatever. 73, Steve KW3A From bconder at yahoo.com Sun Mar 17 09:26:05 2019 From: bconder at yahoo.com (Bob Conder) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 13:26:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3Suite ? References: <496855082.5683820.1552829165351.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <496855082.5683820.1552829165351@mail.yahoo.com> Are any of you using the Win4K3Suite? with the K-3?If so, does it work well?I'm also interested in interfacing this with a RSP2 SDR for the Panadaptor display.Tnx for any comments.Bob K4RLC From ke8g.jim at gmail.com Sun Mar 17 09:55:05 2019 From: ke8g.jim at gmail.com (KE8G) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 09:55:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3Suite ? In-Reply-To: <496855082.5683820.1552829165351@mail.yahoo.com> References: <496855082.5683820.1552829165351.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <496855082.5683820.1552829165351@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Bob, I've been using the Win4K3Suite for several years now, for controlling the K3S remotely. and it functions perfectly. Support of this software is fantastic! 73 de Jim - KE8G On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 9:26 AM Bob Conder via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > Are any of you using the Win4K3Suite with the K-3?If so, does it work > well?I'm also interested in interfacing this with a RSP2 SDR for the > Panadaptor display.Tnx for any comments.Bob K4RLC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From charlestropp at gmail.com Sun Mar 17 10:18:21 2019 From: charlestropp at gmail.com (Charles Tropp) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 10:18:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3Suite ? In-Reply-To: References: <496855082.5683820.1552829165351.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <496855082.5683820.1552829165351@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Bob, I just started using Win4K3 last August when I upgraded to a new computer system. It also runs DXLab, N1MM, SKCCLoger, CW Skimmer and WJST. It performs flawlessly. Just remember to turn on your K3 before you run Win4K3. I love the macro feature since it is so easy to write, store and change them. It has a nice sync with ClubLog although I prefer SpotCollector. The K3 memories are right up front and easy to access. I don't use too many of the controls as I got the program mainly for the virtual ports. I am sure you will enjoy the program. On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 9:55 AM KE8G wrote: > Hi Bob, > I've been using the Win4K3Suite for several years now, for controlling the > K3S remotely. and it functions perfectly. Support of this software is > fantastic! > > 73 de Jim - KE8G > > On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 9:26 AM Bob Conder via Elecraft < > elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > > > Are any of you using the Win4K3Suite with the K-3?If so, does it work > > well?I'm also interested in interfacing this with a RSP2 SDR for the > > Panadaptor display.Tnx for any comments.Bob K4RLC > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- *73, Charles N2SO* *Treasurer, Quarter Century Wireless Association, Inc.* *www.qcwa.org * From elanzl at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 17 11:11:03 2019 From: elanzl at sbcglobal.net (Eric Lanzl) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 15:11:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft net 3-10-2019 References: <1742208869.6822992.1552835463896.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1742208869.6822992.1552835463896@mail.yahoo.com> Elecraft SSB Net 3-10-2019 WB9JNZ ????????Eric?????IL????? ?K3????????? 4017???Net Control N9SRA?????????? Steve?? IL?????? ICOM 7600 NC0JW?????????? Jim????? CO????? KX3???? ?? 1356???Relay station N4NRW????????? Roger? SC?????? K3???????? ? 1318?? Relay station W1NGA????????? AL??????? CO????? K3??????? ? ?5765 W7QHD????????? Kurt ??? AZ?????? K2/100 ??? 1538 NS7P????????????? Phil????? OR????? K3??????? ?? 1826 K6FW????????????? Frank?? CA?????? K3S??? ?? 11672 K7BRR??????????? Bill?????? AZ?????? K3S??????? 10939 K7JG?????????????? John??? WA????? KX3???? ???? 3519 AE6JV???????????? Bill?????? CA?????? K3??????? ??6299 K8NU/P?????????? Carl???? OH????? TS 590 ?????? Remotein Florida K4GCJ???????????? Gerry?? NC?????? K3??????? ? ?1597 KG5WEO??????? Tom???? TX?????? KX3?????????10175 K6SAB??????????? David?? CA?????? K3??????? ?????565 N7GVZ??????????? Mike??? OR????? KX3????? ??10467???? QRP N7BDL???????????? Terry?? AZ?????? K3S????? ?? 10873 W0IK?????????????? Larry??? CO????? K3S???? ??? 11198 N0MPH?????????? Mike??? IA???????? K3S???? ? ? 10514 KC9USC???????? Robert IL??????? KX3/100 ? ? ? 4460?? KPA1500 From nvjims at gmail.com Sun Mar 17 12:04:29 2019 From: nvjims at gmail.com (Jim Shepherd) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 09:04:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?And_what=E2=80=99s_the_latest_firmware_for_t?= =?utf-8?q?he_hat=3F?= Message-ID: I hear that there is one coming out in a couple of weeks on 1 April 2019... Jim W6US From kevinr at coho.net Sun Mar 17 12:08:06 2019 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 09:08:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <7f957286-edf0-81a9-07e5-bab252a82be9@coho.net> Good Morning, ?? The snow is slowly melting its way off the land.? I flushed the first grouse of the season who was checking out the newly exposed soil.? The air smells wonderful, no dust, no pollen, no mold.? With the increasing temperature the bugs will soon be here.? Once they get hatched the hummingbirds will come and eat them. ?? A slowly moving CME will also be here soon, maybe even today. According to SpaceWeather.com the solar wind is moving faster than this ejection.? Even with no spots the sun is still active.? Lots of aurora showing so there must be ions flowing.? Let's see if that helps the propagation even though it will be noisy. Please join us tomorrow on: 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) ?7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS _ From barrylazar2 at gmail.com Sun Mar 17 12:13:08 2019 From: barrylazar2 at gmail.com (Barry) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 16:13:08 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3Suite ? In-Reply-To: <496855082.5683820.1552829165351@mail.yahoo.com> References: <496855082.5683820.1552829165351.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <496855082.5683820.1552829165351@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm using Win4K3 with my K3s. It works like a champ. I have the IF out driving the RSP2 for spectrum and I have LP-Pan installed so I can drive my USB sound card for the those things like CW Skimmer. If you do this, I suggest that you buffer the IF output with an ~3-6db amplifier before going to the splitter. If you don't split the IF out, the RSP2 works fine. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Bob Conder via Elecraft" To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: 3/17/2019 9:26:05 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3Suite ? >Are any of you using the Win4K3Suite with the K-3?If so, does it work well?I'm also interested in interfacing this with a RSP2 SDR for the Panadaptor display.Tnx for any comments.Bob K4RLC >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Mar 17 12:22:18 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 12:22:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Noise In-Reply-To: References: <0a7efe04-ecfd-2d0e-844e-970a96e6be73@embarqmail.com> <999d2db0-d0ef-3a99-d745-ad1d2502ba25@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <5702630d-bbb3-9c16-64e6-a827768cd0a3@embarqmail.com> Buck, It sounds like that noise is coming from whatever computer software application you are using.? You mentioned N1MM. When you unplug the USB cable, whatever software you are using loses communications with the radio. When you plug it back in, that program is not attempting to re-establish communications. What applications do you have active on your computer? I again suggest you get the microphone to work first - unplug everything from the K3 except the microphone, the power and the antenna connection.? There may be something unrelated to the microphone going awry, so eliminate everything except the microphone.? When that works, build things back up one at a time until you discover the culprit. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/16/2019 7:13 PM, Buck wrote: > I've tried all the combination of mics and mic bias.? The noise > happens even with the mic gain turned all the way down and the rig in > TEST mode. ?It happens when N1MM is not running.? It happens using the > internal DVR card.? It happens with the mic disconnected and using the > XMIT button on the front of the radio. > - > Here is a clue.? If I turn on the VOX and reduce the either the RF or > AF gain on the receiver, I start getting the noise about once every > half second.? It sounds like it starts with a "ping." Sounds like > something is polling the radio. > > If I disconnect the USB cable on the back of the radio, no noise. It > seemed to be properly seated.? Now, if I plug the USB cable back into > the radio, no noise.? Have I found the culprit?? A lose USB cable? > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sun Mar 17 14:08:11 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 13:08:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Noise In-Reply-To: <5702630d-bbb3-9c16-64e6-a827768cd0a3@embarqmail.com> References: <0a7efe04-ecfd-2d0e-844e-970a96e6be73@embarqmail.com> <999d2db0-d0ef-3a99-d745-ad1d2502ba25@Gmail.com> <5702630d-bbb3-9c16-64e6-a827768cd0a3@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <72626948-c89f-ca02-6d61-e1679517c4ea@blomand.net> By chance is MIC + LIN set to the ON mode in the MENU??? Should be OFF for just microphone usage. I agree with Don.? Disconnect everything except the power cables, antenna coax and microphone. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/17/2019 11:22 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Buck, > > It sounds like that noise is coming from whatever computer software > application you are using.? You mentioned N1MM. > When you unplug the USB cable, whatever software you are using loses > communications with the radio. > When you plug it back in, that program is not attempting to > re-establish communications. > > What applications do you have active on your computer? > > I again suggest you get the microphone to work first - unplug > everything from the K3 except the microphone, the power and the > antenna connection.? There may be something unrelated to the > microphone going awry, so eliminate everything except the microphone.? > When that works, build things back up one at a time until you discover > the culprit. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/16/2019 7:13 PM, Buck wrote: >> I've tried all the combination of mics and mic bias.? The noise >> happens even with the mic gain turned all the way down and the rig in >> TEST mode. ?It happens when N1MM is not running.? It happens using >> the internal DVR card.? It happens with the mic disconnected and >> using the XMIT button on the front of the radio. >> - >> Here is a clue.? If I turn on the VOX and reduce the either the RF or >> AF gain on the receiver, I start getting the noise about once every >> half second.? It sounds like it starts with a "ping." Sounds like >> something is polling the radio. >> >> If I disconnect the USB cable on the back of the radio, no noise. It >> seemed to be properly seated.? Now, if I plug the USB cable back into >> the radio, no noise.? Have I found the culprit? A lose USB cable? >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From ki4txp at gmail.com Sun Mar 17 14:10:03 2019 From: ki4txp at gmail.com (JAY) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 14:10:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Digital set up for K3 Message-ID: Here I am again trying to get my K3 to work with FT8. I am RX with no problem. TX on the other hand not much luck. When I do TX I get a load steady noise out of the radio. TX light does go on ALC 4+ Power 50W CMP 22 Mic 7 THANKS in advance for any help!! -- 73 KI4TXP JAY From K4PI at BELLSOUTH.NET Sun Mar 17 14:25:22 2019 From: K4PI at BELLSOUTH.NET (K4PI) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 14:25:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/P3 TXD tap Message-ID: <40753635-e272-9ac4-aeae-c739e847721a@BELLSOUTH.NET> I used serial data with my K3S/P3/Steppir/HF Amp set up for a long time by using Y cables to get data to all of them. So finally decided to change over to USB 100% which I did but now using the CBLP3Y cable on the K3S/P3 combo I am still going to need some kind of Y connection again to tap off of RXD/TXD.? I am looking at making a Y cable to install between the P3 PC DE9P connector to pick up RXD or TXD from it and let the amp monitor that.? I know you can buy cables and even circuit boxes to do this but I wanted to build this one myself as I built the one Steppir used and it worked great. ? If you want to see what Steppir does, S13 cable, see the link below. www.steppir.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Y-Cable.pdf If anyone has done this home brew I would like to know how you did it, ie which connector on the P3 and which pins.? I need more than just band data provided by the ACC plug for the amp and Steppir.? Too bad there is not a RXD/TXD tap in the K3 ACC plug or a tap plug in the P3.? I guess one could be installed in the P3 blank slots and tap over to the RXD/TXD connectors,? 73 Mike K4PI From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sun Mar 17 14:39:07 2019 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 11:39:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Digital set up for K3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: For FT8, use DATA A mode instead of SSB. That will remove all compression, which may be your problem. 73 Bill AE6JV On 3/17/19 at 11:10 AM, ki4txp at gmail.com (JAY) wrote: >Here I am again trying to get my K3 to work with FT8. >I am RX with no problem. >TX on the other hand not much luck. >When I do TX I get a load steady noise out of the radio. >TX light does go on ALC 4+ >Power 50W >CMP 22 >Mic 7 >THANKS in advance for any help!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | When all else fails: Voice | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | and CW. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From radiok4ia at gmail.com Sun Mar 17 15:05:02 2019 From: radiok4ia at gmail.com (Buck) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 15:05:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Noise In-Reply-To: <5702630d-bbb3-9c16-64e6-a827768cd0a3@embarqmail.com> References: <0a7efe04-ecfd-2d0e-844e-970a96e6be73@embarqmail.com> <999d2db0-d0ef-3a99-d745-ad1d2502ba25@Gmail.com> <5702630d-bbb3-9c16-64e6-a827768cd0a3@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: The mics work. My problem was a burst of noise when the rig went into transmit. It appears re-seating the USB cable in the back of the radio has cured the problem. It did not appear to be lose. And the noise would appear even if I was using the VOX or PTT switch or the internal DVR. In other words, not using the USB to trigger the radio. There's one to put in the books. I am sure I won't be the only person to run into this and I still can't explain it. k4ia, Buck K3# 101 Honor Roll 8B DXCC EasyWayHamBooks.com On 3/17/2019 12:22 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Buck, > > It sounds like that noise is coming from whatever computer software > application you are using.? You mentioned N1MM. > When you unplug the USB cable, whatever software you are using loses > communications with the radio. > When you plug it back in, that program is not attempting to re-establish > communications. > > What applications do you have active on your computer? > > I again suggest you get the microphone to work first - unplug everything > from the K3 except the microphone, the power and the antenna > connection.? There may be something unrelated to the microphone going > awry, so eliminate everything except the microphone.? When that works, > build things back up one at a time until you discover the culprit. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/16/2019 7:13 PM, Buck wrote: >> I've tried all the combination of mics and mic bias.? The noise >> happens even with the mic gain turned all the way down and the rig in >> TEST mode. ?It happens when N1MM is not running.? It happens using the >> internal DVR card.? It happens with the mic disconnected and using the >> XMIT button on the front of the radio. >> - >> Here is a clue.? If I turn on the VOX and reduce the either the RF or >> AF gain on the receiver, I start getting the noise about once every >> half second.? It sounds like it starts with a "ping." Sounds like >> something is polling the radio. >> >> If I disconnect the USB cable on the back of the radio, no noise. It >> seemed to be properly seated.? Now, if I plug the USB cable back into >> the radio, no noise.? Have I found the culprit?? A lose USB cable? >> > From ars.nc0jw at gmail.com Sun Mar 17 15:07:55 2019 From: ars.nc0jw at gmail.com (Jim White NC0JW) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 13:07:55 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net - Sunday March 17, 2019 Message-ID: <6C3611E2-C986-429A-9768-6F7A4ED5CDA6@gmail.com> Propagation for St Patricks Day was absolutely abysmal and our normal Net Control Station Eric WB9JNZ must have had a premonition and had other commitments today. With relay help from Roger N4NRW and even John N6JW bicycle mobile we were able to log 15 check ins. Thanks Roger and John! Todays check in included: N4NRW Roger SC K3 1318 Relay Station N6JW John CA KX3 515 Relay Station Bicycle mobile WM6P Steve GA K3S 11453 K8NU Carl OH K3S 10996 w/ KXPA1500 NY9H Bill PA K3 2244 N6PGQ Bob CA K3 5891 K0UBK Herbert MN Icom K7BRR Bill AZ K3S 10939 W7QHD Kurt AZ K2 1538 AE6JV Bill CA K3 6299 W4DML Doug TN K3 6433 K5TH Tim TX Icom 7300 W0IK Larry CO KX3 9644 WA7UGB Mark WA KX3 NC0JW Jim CO KX3 1356 Drop on by next Sunday at 1800 UTC on or about 14.3035 MHz. when our Net Control Station Eric WB9JNZ in Chicago, IL kicks things off. With propagation at a low point we employ several relay stations located around the continental USA to assist with check ins. As conditions permit we take questions and comments after check ins. Maybe the propagation Gods will smile on us next week. 73 Jim White - NC0JW ars.nc0jw at gmail.com From b747mech at yahoo.com Sun Mar 17 15:15:27 2019 From: b747mech at yahoo.com (Craig Temple) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 19:15:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Why are the batteries internal to the KX3? References: <1993047015.6347116.1552850127662.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1993047015.6347116.1552850127662@mail.yahoo.com> Chuck, I ordered my KX3 without the battery charger with the specific intention of never putting batteries into the radio. I have seen too many products destroyed over the years by defective batteries. In addition, splitting the halves which are connected by a ribbon cable seems too much wear and tear for my dollars. My only option for HF is portable on local hilltops. I bought two Bioenno Power BLF-12045W - a bit costly - well worth it to me. They arrive with anderson powerpoles on the output. These batteries stay above 12v for more than 3hrs with an 80/20 listen/transmit operation - this keeps my KX3 at the higher output wattage. I recommend Bioenno's charger for their batteries. Hope this is helpful. Craig - KM4ASH Birmingham, Alabama ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 22:22:58 +0000 From: "hawley, charles j jr" To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: [Elecraft] Why are the batteries internal to the KX3? Message-ID: ??? ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I don't like to disassemble the KX3 to take out the batteries when not using or to do battery maintenance. I would rather have a slim case with the same rectangular outline as the KX3 that attaches to the rear panel and just plugs into the KX3 thru the external DC input. Has anyone done that as an accessory product? Chuck Hawley c-hawley at illinois.edu Amateur Radio, KE9UW aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles From jackbrindle at me.com Sun Mar 17 15:37:52 2019 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 12:37:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?And_what=E2=80=99s_the_latest_firmware_for_t?= =?utf-8?q?he_hat=3F?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Guys, of course there is firmware in the hat! What do you think keeps the bill stiff? Just a testament to how good our firmware engineers are (starting with the head guy, Wayne) - no update is needed in this product! Now perhaps we might return to helping W5SUM enjoy his new acquisition of a great KPA1500. 73! Jack, W6FB > On Mar 17, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Jim Shepherd wrote: > > I hear that there is one coming out in a couple of weeks on 1 April 2019... > > Jim W6US > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From charles at mims.io Sun Mar 17 16:00:59 2019 From: charles at mims.io (charles_kg5cwp) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 13:00:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] k2 VCO at 12900kHz, no LSB power out Message-ID: <1552852859230-0.post@n2.nabble.com> I have a k2 revB, serial #3241, that I bought off an old-timer. When I bought it, it was "CW only". I built and installed the SSB module and discovered that I have good power out on USB and CW, but none on LSB (at least as far as the meter on my antenna tuner registers). I then started checking the alignment and test and found that the VCO on 4000.1 kHz reads about 12900, and the pot that adjusts it is already bottomed out. I'm hoping that someone can help me identify which component is out of spec. I removed the SSB module and re-installed C167, and here are the voltages for control board and rf board, omitted if they're close to the value in the table, and with an "!" annotation if they're way out. Control Board: U3 2 12.3 3 12.3 5 2.4 6 2.4 7 2.4 8 12.3 U4 IN 12.3 U5 IN 12.3 U6 1 5.14 9 5.11 11 5.14 18 5.15 !reversed? 19 5.13 20 5.13 24 0 !reversed? 30 5.7 32 5.1 33 5.1 37 5.1 40 5.68 U7 1 5.13 2 5.13 3 5.13 5 5.13 7 5.13 8 5.13 U8 3 5.13 6 5.13 7 5.13 8 5.13 10 5.13 11 0 !should be 5 13 5.13 U9 1 0 2 0 3 0 4 0 5 0 6 6.2 7 12.3 8 6.2 U10 6 5.14 7 5.14 14 2.3 RF Board I didn't check the Diode or Q components yet. U1 9 0 10 0 28 5.57 U2 IN 12.3 U3 2 4.02 3 4.02 6 4.02 U4 2 0 ! 5 0 ! 7 5.1 ! 13 5 U5 1 5 ! U6 6 5 U8 (not sure I checked this one) U12 1 7.7 2 7.7 5 4.75 6 2.8 8 7.8 Thanks in advance, 73's. -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Mar 17 16:22:34 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 16:22:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/P3 TXD tap In-Reply-To: <40753635-e272-9ac4-aeae-c739e847721a@BELLSOUTH.NET> References: <40753635-e272-9ac4-aeae-c739e847721a@BELLSOUTH.NET> Message-ID: Mike, No matter what you do, make certain the TXD and RXD lines have only one driver on them. That would be the driver in the K3 and the other in your computer. Configure any other gear to "listen only" to the traffic between the computer and the K3/P3. On 3/17/2019 2:25 PM, K4PI wrote: > I used serial data with my K3S/P3/Steppir/HF Amp set up for a long time > by using Y cables to get data to all of them. So finally decided to > change over to USB 100% which I did but now using the CBLP3Y cable on > the K3S/P3 combo I am still going to need some kind of Y connection > again to tap off of RXD/TXD.? I am looking at making a Y cable to > install between the P3 PC DE9P connector to pick up RXD or TXD from it > and let the amp monitor that.? I know you can buy cables and even > circuit boxes to do this but I wanted to build this one myself as I > built the one Steppir used and it worked great. ? If you want to see > what Steppir does, S13 cable, see the link below. > > www.steppir.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Y-Cable.pdf > > If anyone has done this home brew I would like to know how you did it, > ie which connector on the P3 and which pins.? I need more than just band > data provided by the ACC plug for the amp and Steppir.? Too bad there is > not a RXD/TXD tap in the K3 ACC plug or a tap plug in the P3.? I guess > one could be installed in the P3 blank slots and tap over to the RXD/TXD > connectors,? 73 Mike K4PI From cfwirth at hotmail.com Sun Mar 17 16:26:33 2019 From: cfwirth at hotmail.com (Charlie Wirth) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 20:26:33 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Using Elecraft KPA-1500 for 2 radios Message-ID: I own a Flex 6400 and an Icom 7700. I currently have the amplifier connected to the Flex. There may be times I want to use the Icom 7700. Other than disconnecting the send and control cables from the 1500 that go to the Flex and plugging in the same cables from the 7700 is there any other way to have both sets of cables connected to the amplifier safely? I would only be using one radio at a time and the other one would be turned off. I know that I would have to go into the menu settings of the amplifier to change the baud radio and radio when I use the other radio. Thanks, Charlie W3DDF From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Mar 17 16:43:32 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 16:43:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k2 VCO at 12900kHz, no LSB power out In-Reply-To: <1552852859230-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1552852859230-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Charles, 12900kHz sounds like a proper frequency for the PLL Reference Oscillator (measured at TP3). The VFO frequency is at TP1 and should be quite near 8913 kHz when tuned to 4000kHz. Trim the corner of the KSB2 board so it clears TP1. There are no PC traces on that corner of the board, only a ground plane on the bottom side. As for the USB/LSB problem - what are the BFO settings for LSB and USB for bands below 15 meters (use 40 meters)? The FL1 SSB filter must be set to OP1. Typical BFO frequency setting for LSB should be in the 4913.6 kHz vicinity and for USB the BFO frequency should be near 4916.7 kHz. Check those frequencies at TP2 (the test point accessible through the hole in the KSB2 board). Go to CAL FIL in the menu, edit the parameter (you will see the DAC value) then tap DISPLAY to see the frequency. Set to LSB mode and you should see the LSB frequency, then go to USB mode to read its BFO frequency. Bottom line, I suspect your BFO frequencies are reversed or way off where they should be. Your voltage measurements are correct. Yes, the manual voltage listings for the SDO and SCK signal lines are backwards from what you would read on a DMM. The listed voltages are for the active state of those lines which can only be observed by an oscilloscope when the VFO knob is turned. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/17/2019 4:00 PM, charles_kg5cwp wrote: > I have a k2 revB, serial #3241, that I bought off an old-timer. When I bought > it, it was "CW only". I built and installed the SSB module and discovered > that I have good power out on USB and CW, but none on LSB (at least as far > as the meter on my antenna tuner registers). I then started checking the > alignment and test and found that the VCO on 4000.1 kHz reads about 12900, > and the pot that adjusts it is already bottomed out. > I'm hoping that someone can help me identify which component is out of spec. > I removed the SSB module and re-installed C167, and here are the voltages > for control board and rf board, omitted if they're close to the value in the > table, and with an "!" annotation if they're way out. > > Control Board: > U3 > 2 12.3 > 3 12.3 > 5 2.4 > 6 2.4 > 7 2.4 > 8 12.3 > > U4 > IN 12.3 > > U5 > IN 12.3 > > U6 > 1 5.14 > 9 5.11 > 11 5.14 > 18 5.15 !reversed? > 19 5.13 > 20 5.13 > 24 0 !reversed? > 30 5.7 > 32 5.1 > 33 5.1 > 37 5.1 > 40 5.68 > > U7 > 1 5.13 > 2 5.13 > 3 5.13 > 5 5.13 > 7 5.13 > 8 5.13 > > U8 > 3 5.13 > 6 5.13 > 7 5.13 > 8 5.13 > 10 5.13 > 11 0 !should be 5 > 13 5.13 > > U9 > 1 0 > 2 0 > 3 0 > 4 0 > 5 0 > 6 6.2 > 7 12.3 > 8 6.2 > > U10 > 6 5.14 > 7 5.14 > 14 2.3 > > > > > RF Board > I didn't check the Diode or Q components yet. > U1 > 9 0 > 10 0 > 28 5.57 > > U2 > IN 12.3 > > U3 > 2 4.02 > 3 4.02 > 6 4.02 > > U4 > 2 0 ! > 5 0 ! > 7 5.1 ! > 13 5 > > U5 > 1 5 ! > > U6 > 6 5 > > U8 (not sure I checked this one) > > U12 > 1 7.7 > 2 7.7 > 5 4.75 > 6 2.8 > 8 7.8 > > > > Thanks in advance, 73's. > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Mar 17 16:53:06 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 13:53:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Using Elecraft KPA-1500 for 2 radios In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04c98534-f999-424e-4683-fb8862e02025@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 3/17/2019 1:26 PM, Charlie Wirth wrote: > Other than disconnecting the send and control cables from the 1500 that go to the Flex and plugging in the same cables from the 7700 is there any other way to have both sets of cables connected to the amplifier safely? Several thoughts. First, both of Elecraft's power amps nearly instantaneously detect the frequency of the drive signal, no there is no need for the rig to send band information to the amp. Second, ALC should never be used to set TX power -- that should always be done by setting the output power of the rig. The only necessary connections are the "amp key" line that puts the amp in transmit mode and the coax between the rig and the amp input. Switching the coax is easy with a SPDT coax switch or relay. Most of the rigs I've owned use a short on the key line to key the amp. If both of yours do that, you can probably connect them in parallel to the Key input of the power amp using an RCA Y-cable. I've done that for years to switch my K3 between my KPA500 and a 1500w tube amp (for many years a Ten Tec Titan, now an 87A). 73, Jim K9YC From w5jr.lists at gmail.com Sun Mar 17 17:15:34 2019 From: w5jr.lists at gmail.com (Mike - W5JR) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 17:15:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Using Elecraft KPA-1500 for 2 radios In-Reply-To: <04c98534-f999-424e-4683-fb8862e02025@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <04c98534-f999-424e-4683-fb8862e02025@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: I have a KPA/KAT500 combo connected to my Flex 6600 and K3. The K3 has all of the cables connected, so when it?s on, it controls the package with full integration. I use the ?key interupter? to break out the key line. It?s ?Y?d? with the key line from the Flex as Jim mentions into the KAT500. I switch input coaxes via a two port manual selector. That could be automated using one of several options if desired. Works great. tnx Mike / W5JR Alpharetta GA > On Mar 17, 2019, at 4:53 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On 3/17/2019 1:26 PM, Charlie Wirth wrote: >> Other than disconnecting the send and control cables from the 1500 that go to the Flex and plugging in the same cables from the 7700 is there any other way to have both sets of cables connected to the amplifier safely? > > Several thoughts. First, both of Elecraft's power amps nearly instantaneously detect the frequency of the drive signal, no there is no need for the rig to send band information to the amp. Second, ALC should never be used to set TX power -- that should always be done by setting the output power of the rig. > > The only necessary connections are the "amp key" line that puts the amp in transmit mode and the coax between the rig and the amp input. Switching the coax is easy with a SPDT coax switch or relay. > > Most of the rigs I've owned use a short on the key line to key the amp. If both of yours do that, you can probably connect them in parallel to the Key input of the power amp using an RCA Y-cable. I've done that for years to switch my K3 between my KPA500 and a 1500w tube amp (for many years a Ten Tec Titan, now an 87A). > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From barrylazar2 at gmail.com Sun Mar 17 18:02:11 2019 From: barrylazar2 at gmail.com (Barry) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 22:02:11 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Digital set up for K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jay, Your settings should look something like this: Mode - Data A - This turns off the CMP and equalizers Power - 50 Watts looks good Mike/line in - should be set such that the ALC indicates as you show with the power slider on the software just below the top Make sure the software know to use the USB codec speaker for its output and not the computer's sound card. Turn up the monitor to just hear the transmitted signal. It will not be a steady tone. VOX - ON This should work. You may need to adjust the vox gain to turn the radio on when tone turns on; it a menu setting. One last thought. You will get a steady tone if you push the tune button on the software, yet the signal you want with transmit enabled will not be steady. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "JAY" To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 3/17/2019 2:10:03 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Digital set up for K3 >Here I am again trying to get my K3 to work with FT8. >I am RX with no problem. >TX on the other hand not much luck. >When I do TX I get a load steady noise out of the radio. >TX light does go on ALC 4+ >Power 50W >CMP 22 >Mic 7 >THANKS in advance for any help!! >-- >73 > >KI4TXP JAY >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From Gary at ka1j.com Sun Mar 17 18:11:41 2019 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 18:11:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3Suite ? In-Reply-To: <496855082.5683820.1552829165351@mail.yahoo.com> References: <496855082.5683820.1552829165351.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <496855082.5683820.1552829165351@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5C8EC61D.30665.1A3ACE0D@Gary.ka1j.com> I've been using it for a few years now and mostly for compatibility with WSJT-X and the virtual ports. It does much more but for my needs, it is stellar and I highly recommend it. 73, Gary KA1J > Are any of you using the Win4K3Suite? with the K-3?If so, does it > work well?I'm also interested in interfacing this with a RSP2 SDR for > the Panadaptor display.Tnx for any comments.Bob K4RLC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: > http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From alaparos at w2cs.net Sun Mar 17 18:43:36 2019 From: alaparos at w2cs.net (Gary J Ferdinand) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 18:43:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PA Current In-Reply-To: <0F00FC98-F9E8-4F2C-9EBD-0EAE89F7069E@yahoo.com> References: <7B313687-4D80-4F8D-8E35-4C1CEEFE5333@w2cs.net> <29EF42FE-D3E0-43BF-9B59-6EC0D712C8F9@sdellington.us> <0F00FC98-F9E8-4F2C-9EBD-0EAE89F7069E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: By and large the response to my technical question regarding the behavior of my KPA1500 have been good, technical information and hints. Your posting, Dave, is of the form of a lecture and comes across as anything but responsive to the topic at hand. Whether I wish to squeeze the last dB out of my signal or not is not yours to comment on. Please confine your postings to being responsive to the thread. 73, Gary W2CS > On Mar 16, 2019, at 5:13 AM, David Wilcox wrote: > > Try 1000 watts for one month. Then 500 watts for the next month. Don?t tell anyone. > > Unless you are trying to get that last country for your stats you won?t see any difference in your enjoyment and contact ratio. How often do we turn our receivers, stereos, ovens, microwaves, irons, or even car engines up to their max just ?because we can?? Not trying to start a flame war here but to me it does make sense to give our equipment some breathing room? > > Yesterday while monitoring a group of guys around Michigan on 75 meters one of them dropped down from his KW to 12 watts and everyone was amazed he was still 20 dB over S9. They were over 100 miles apart too. > > Many of my friends have over 300 countries or have worked all counties and have never used over 500 watts, mostly 100 watts. > > Yes, it is good to experiment to find out why this is occurring, but after that give your amp some room to breathe. I watch this list for education and haven?t ever seen a rating of how high the Elecraft 1500 watt amp is tested at, what is its actual max output and for how long. I would guess that if it?s designed to handle 3000 watts then 1500 watts is conservative and this problem shouldn?t be happening. If it is tested and burned in at 2000 watts then it is being pushed and heating might be a problem on some amps. I have watched a few other comments on the Elecraft 100 watt amp and they have troubles getting an actual 100 watts out all the time too. Rain, ice, and other factors change things too. Isn?t this hobby fun? > > Just a thought. > > Dave K8WPE > > David J. Wilcox K8WPE?s iPad > >> On Mar 15, 2019, at 9:27 PM, K9MA wrote: comeer, it?s possible you have hit just the wrong phase angle. If your 1.2 SWR resulted in a load impedance of 42 Ohms, the current could go up 20 percent. On the other hand, 55 A into 50 Ohms sounds a bit high. Make sure the voltage isn?t dropping more than a couple Volts. >> >> 73, >> Scott K9MA >> >> ---------- >> >> Scott Ellington >> >> --- via iPad >> >>> On Mar 15, 2019, at 1:25 PM, Gary J Ferdinand wrote: >>> >>> I?m in the process of checking out my amp. I have two dipoles (40 and 80). At resonance both show a 1.2:1 SWR with ATU totally bypassed. With ATU on, it remains bypassed on 80, but shows only the ATU ON LED on 40. In both cases the resultant SWR is 1.2:1. SWR measurements are from the KPA1500 display. >>> >>> When I use the amp with my K3 and drive it up to 1500W, I am occasionally getting an excessive PA current fault at 63A. From a cold start it?s 60A, but as it warms up in contest usage I find the power drops off, so I have to adjust the K3 to bring it back up to 1500W. At that point the PA current goes over 60A. >>> >>> Interestingly, into a dummy load the 1500W point shows a PA current of only 55A. So the 1.2:1 SWR, be it via a bypassed ATU or using the ATU, is sufficient to raise the PA current eventually to excessive levels. >>> >>> Suggestions? I don?t want this to be flipping out during a contest. I also don?t want to reduce power into what should be a totally acceptable load. >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Gary W2CS >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Mar 17 19:39:42 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 19:39:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft booth at RARSfest Message-ID: <627cbfaa-612a-8352-a199-dc3bbd6cb4e8@embarqmail.com> Hello to all Elecraft fans in North Carolina and adjacent states who will be attending Saturday RARSfest April 20. We will have an Elecraft booth at RARSfest again this year. If anyone would be willing to help at the booth, please let me know. Any assistance would be quite welcome. If you are able to help set up the booth on Friday April 19 beginning at about 5PM, you are also welcome. There is a vendor's dinner and welcome from 7 to 8PM, so you will not go hungry. All Elecraft gear to be displayed is accounted for, so you do not need to bring any of your own equipment. Please let me know if you are willing to help and the approximate hours you will be available. 73, Don W3FPR From k9yeq at live.com Sun Mar 17 20:26:10 2019 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 00:26:10 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Noise In-Reply-To: <5702630d-bbb3-9c16-64e6-a827768cd0a3@embarqmail.com> References: <0a7efe04-ecfd-2d0e-844e-970a96e6be73@embarqmail.com> <999d2db0-d0ef-3a99-d745-ad1d2502ba25@Gmail.com> <5702630d-bbb3-9c16-64e6-a827768cd0a3@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: By chance is TX Gate turned on and there is background noise? 73, Bill K9YEQ https://wrj-tech.com/ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 11:22 AM To: Buck ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mic Noise Buck, It sounds like that noise is coming from whatever computer software application you are using.? You mentioned N1MM. When you unplug the USB cable, whatever software you are using loses communications with the radio. When you plug it back in, that program is not attempting to re-establish communications. What applications do you have active on your computer? I again suggest you get the microphone to work first - unplug everything from the K3 except the microphone, the power and the antenna connection.? There may be something unrelated to the microphone going awry, so eliminate everything except the microphone.? When that works, build things back up one at a time until you discover the culprit. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/16/2019 7:13 PM, Buck wrote: > I've tried all the combination of mics and mic bias.? The noise > happens even with the mic gain turned all the way down and the rig in > TEST mode. ?It happens when N1MM is not running.? It happens using the > internal DVR card.? It happens with the mic disconnected and using the > XMIT button on the front of the radio. > - > Here is a clue.? If I turn on the VOX and reduce the either the RF or > AF gain on the receiver, I start getting the noise about once every > half second.? It sounds like it starts with a "ping." Sounds like > something is polling the radio. > > If I disconnect the USB cable on the back of the radio, no noise. It > seemed to be properly seated.? Now, if I plug the USB cable back into > the radio, no noise.? Have I found the culprit?? A lose USB cable? > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From k9yeq at live.com Sun Mar 17 20:37:52 2019 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 00:37:52 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PA Current In-Reply-To: References: <201903162131.x2GLVtoC011678@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: From my formal training in audio tech, a 10 dB gain is needed to get a perceived doubling of audio. With an audio sampler device listening for volume levels recording on a level meter, try doubling the output level on your output device according to your sampling device and at the same time listening to what you think doubling actually appears to you, then compare mentally the difference to what you perceive is real. Totally different in my experience. I could never figure out what was double while looking at the actual controls and what was factually happening and what my hearing and brain perceived without measuring and metering 73, Bill K9YEQ https://wrj-tech.com/ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 6:30 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PA Current On 3/16/2019 2:31 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > In the same vein:? I recently tried out my new 2m 1500w sspa at 750w > in SSB and stations on my net only stated a slight increase in signal > 100 miles away vs running 130w.? That should have indicated more than > one s-unit stronger (10Log (750/130)=7.6 dB). > > Definitely a "knee" in signal strength where change is most > significant and where change above is not so much.? HF that should > even be more compressed. What you're calling a "knee" is better described as a combination of receiver AGC,? perception of loudness and signal to noise by our ear/brain function, and how various signal characteristics combine to provide speech intelligibility. A change in OVERALL loudness of 6-10 dB is perceived as twice (or half) as loud when the signal is well above the noise, and 1 dB is about the smallest change IN OVERALL loudness that untrained listeners can perceive. But when the signal is close to the noise, a few dB change in the signal to noise ratio often makes a big difference in speech intelligibility. And what I learned in my professional life and have been teaching the ham community for more than ten years is that speech intelligibility is most strongly dependent on components in the 800 Hz to 3 kHz range, with higher frequencies making a small additional contribution. Roughly half of the ENERGY in speech is below 500 Hz, but this sound makes almost no contribution to speech intelligibility. SO -- using TXEQ to remove that sound is the equivalent of doubling the effective talk power (3dB)! This is why I've always recommended setting TXEQ for max cut in the three lowest bands, 6 dB cut in the 4th band (400 Hz), and a small boost (3-6 dB) in the top two bands. Careful use of good speech compression can add another 10dB of talk power, so the combination of EQ and compression can improve signal to noise by 13 dB, which is equivalent to multiplying transmitter power? by 20! > Raising antenna ten feet above tree top is worth at least 10-dB in > signal improvement at VHF (and way more as freq is increased into > UHF+).? I can lower my 2m array to 4-foot AGL by use of a winch. Going > from there to about 40-feet (tree top) is worth maybe 5-dB. Yes, and height above ground can matter a LOT on the HF bands. http://k9yc.com/AntennaPlanning.pdf 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From k9yeq at live.com Sun Mar 17 20:52:28 2019 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 00:52:28 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Using Elecraft KPA-1500 for 2 radios In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use a KR5L switch, but can no longer find on the internet. Possibly there is a circuit available that you could duplicate. I use mine to select rigs and a choice of Two amps, I only have one. 73, Bill K9YEQ https://wrj-tech.com/ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Charlie Wirth Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 3:27 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Using Elecraft KPA-1500 for 2 radios I own a Flex 6400 and an Icom 7700. I currently have the amplifier connected to the Flex. There may be times I want to use the Icom 7700. Other than disconnecting the send and control cables from the 1500 that go to the Flex and plugging in the same cables from the 7700 is there any other way to have both sets of cables connected to the amplifier safely? I would only be using one radio at a time and the other one would be turned off. I know that I would have to go into the menu settings of the amplifier to change the baud radio and radio when I use the other radio. Thanks, Charlie W3DDF ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From john at kk9a.com Sun Mar 17 20:56:26 2019 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 20:56:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Using Elecraft KPA-1500 for 2 radios Message-ID: <001001d4dd25$6a89a100$3f9ce300$@com> So the different voltage sources from each amp do not bother each other when connected together with a Y or was only one amp turned on at a time? John KK9A Jim Brown K9YC wrote: Most of the rigs I've owned use a short on the key line to key the amp. If both of yours do that, you can probably connect them in parallel to the Key input of the power amp using an RCA Y-cable. I've done that for years to switch my K3 between my KPA500 and a 1500w tube amp (for many years a Ten Tec Titan, now an 87A). 73, Jim K9YC From phils at riousa.com Sun Mar 17 21:01:31 2019 From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 18:01:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net - Sunday March 17, 2019 In-Reply-To: <6C3611E2-C986-429A-9768-6F7A4ED5CDA6@gmail.com> References: <6C3611E2-C986-429A-9768-6F7A4ED5CDA6@gmail.com> Message-ID: I tried for about 10 minutes to get heard. The terrible propagation and my antenna limitations nixed that. Hope we are getting better propagation. Phil, NS7P > On Mar 17, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Jim White NC0JW wrote: > > Propagation for St Patricks Day was absolutely abysmal and our normal Net Control Station Eric WB9JNZ must have had a premonition and had other commitments today. With relay help from Roger N4NRW and even John N6JW bicycle mobile we were able to log 15 check ins. Thanks Roger and John! > > Todays check in included: > > N4NRW Roger SC K3 1318 Relay Station > N6JW John CA KX3 515 Relay Station Bicycle mobile > WM6P Steve GA K3S 11453 > K8NU Carl OH K3S 10996 w/ KXPA1500 > NY9H Bill PA K3 2244 > N6PGQ Bob CA K3 5891 > K0UBK Herbert MN Icom > K7BRR Bill AZ K3S 10939 > W7QHD Kurt AZ K2 1538 > AE6JV Bill CA K3 6299 > W4DML Doug TN K3 6433 > K5TH Tim TX Icom 7300 > W0IK Larry CO KX3 9644 > WA7UGB Mark WA KX3 > NC0JW Jim CO KX3 1356 > > Drop on by next Sunday at 1800 UTC on or about 14.3035 MHz. when our Net Control Station Eric WB9JNZ in Chicago, IL kicks things off. With propagation at a low point we employ several relay stations located around the continental USA to assist with check ins. As conditions permit we take questions and comments after check ins. Maybe the propagation Gods will smile on us next week. > > 73 > > Jim White - NC0JW > ars.nc0jw at gmail.com > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From ny9h at arrl.net Sun Mar 17 21:15:46 2019 From: ny9h at arrl.net (Bill Steffey) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 21:15:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Using Elecraft KPA-1500 for 2 radios In-Reply-To: <001001d4dd25$6a89a100$3f9ce300$@com> References: <001001d4dd25$6a89a100$3f9ce300$@com> Message-ID: <25533788-1143-4de2-87c3-d69ded24f522@arrl.net> i use? topten a/b coax switches,,,,? to switch between the kpa500 & acom? 2000 ... one in front of the amps , one in back ....??? also have them switching between K3 & an Icom.... https://toptendevices.com/products/ab-station-selector/ On 3/17/2019 8:56 PM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > So the different voltage sources from each amp do not bother each other when > connected together with a Y or was only one amp turned on at a time? > > John KK9A > > > Jim Brown K9YC wrote: > > > > Most of the rigs I've owned use a short on the key line to key the amp. > If both of yours do that, you can probably connect them in parallel to > the Key input of the power amp using an RCA Y-cable. I've done that for > years to switch my K3 between my KPA500 and a 1500w tube amp (for many > years a Ten Tec Titan, now an 87A). > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From bconder at yahoo.com Sun Mar 17 21:39:02 2019 From: bconder at yahoo.com (Bob Conder) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 01:39:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3Suite...Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 179, Issue 23 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1035727688.5882086.1552873142253@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks to all who responded to my question abt the Win4K3Suite.Sounds like exactly what I need and a very good program.I'll let you know how it works out for me.73 de Bob K4RLC From: "elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 4:55 PM Subject: Elecraft Digest, Vol 179, Issue 2 From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Mar 17 23:12:16 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 20:12:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Using Elecraft KPA-1500 for 2 radios In-Reply-To: <25533788-1143-4de2-87c3-d69ded24f522@arrl.net> References: <001001d4dd25$6a89a100$3f9ce300$@com> <25533788-1143-4de2-87c3-d69ded24f522@arrl.net> Message-ID: <78937043-e046-8501-80f4-664f8fd54eea@audiosystemsgroup.com> Not a great choice. SWR gets increasing nasty above 15M because the construction uses chassis as signal return rather than carrying it on the circuit board. It's a two-sided board, but the "ground" layer is broken under the traces that carry the RF, so return current can't flow on that layer. I didn't have the heart to try to measure crosstalk. 5-6 years ago, I bought several of them for antenna switching, and learned that the hard way. I modified them by paralleling copper braid from the connectors to the board and following the RF paths through the relays across the board as best I could. That reduced the SWR by about half. I've since replaced all of them, and they're for sale. :) 73, Jim K9YC On 3/17/2019 6:15 PM, Bill Steffey wrote: > i use topten a/b coax switches,,,,? to switch between the kpa500 & > acom? 2000 ... one in front of the amps , one in back ....??? also > have them switching between K3 & an Icom.... > > https://toptendevices.com/products/ab-station-selector/ From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Mar 17 23:12:27 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 20:12:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Using Elecraft KPA-1500 for 2 radios In-Reply-To: <001001d4dd25$6a89a100$3f9ce300$@com> References: <001001d4dd25$6a89a100$3f9ce300$@com> Message-ID: <07cfa198-1215-cc34-c135-875fe640467b@audiosystemsgroup.com> Nope. The key inputs of both amps are buffered.? Partial schematic of Titan is here. http://k9yc.com/TitanKeyingLogic.pdf K4XU once told me that it was his initials on the published schematics, and I think he later worked for Alpha.? For operation with most rigs, the PTT position of the PTT/KEY switch is used for all modes. The QSK position is for a keying method used by early Ten Tec rigs where the operator keys the amp and the amp keys the rig. 73, Jim On 3/17/2019 5:56 PM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > So the different voltage sources from each amp do not bother each other when > connected together with a Y or was only one amp turned on at a time? > > John KK9A > > > Jim Brown K9YC wrote: > > > > Most of the rigs I've owned use a short on the key line to key the amp. > If both of yours do that, you can probably connect them in parallel to > the Key input of the power amp using an RCA Y-cable. I've done that for > years to switch my K3 between my KPA500 and a 1500w tube amp (for many > years a Ten Tec Titan, now an 87A). > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From indians at xsmail.com Mon Mar 18 04:56:36 2019 From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 01:56:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Why are the batteries internal to the KX3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1552899396018-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, I guess you do not need to removing cells even you planning to put on shelf for 2-3 months when you have NiMH inside. There should not be the leakage risk and when you will stock it charged it should not be an issue. Also I do not removing the bat even although I am using the KX3 powered from PSU, just charging is OFF and they can stay inside peacefully. ...just me experience. ----- 73 - Petr, OK1RP "Apple & Elecraft freak" B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com G+:http://goo.gl/w3u2s9 G+: http://goo.gl/gP99xq -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From no9e at arrl.net Mon Mar 18 10:06:31 2019 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 07:06:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PA Current In-Reply-To: References: <7B313687-4D80-4F8D-8E35-4C1CEEFE5333@w2cs.net> Message-ID: <1552917991258-0.post@n2.nabble.com> At 1500W my Expert 2k-FA reports 50-52A at 49 V. About 55A at 1800W. The Expert saturates at 2 KW. You may check out the SWR with a reputable meter. Often multiple meters show different values on different frequencies. For instance at my station LP100 shows 1.4:1, 2k-fa shows 1.2:1, and K3 shows 1.8:1. But no problem in the end. Ignacy, NO9E -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From htodd at twofifty.com Mon Mar 18 12:13:17 2019 From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 09:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Elecraft] BKM for shipping KPA1500? Message-ID: "BKM" = best known methods I think I may have to ship back a broken KPA1500 and so I'm wondering what others have done to ship it. I'm pretty sure I have the box it came in, but it may need better packing. I know it'll cost me a bit to ship, but a broken amp is not doing me any good. What's the safest? FedEx store? UPS store? And, of course, I'm waiting for support to confirm before I ship it. They haven't been the most pleasant, but that's a different story for another day. Thanks. -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com K7EMI BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee From w5sum at comcast.net Mon Mar 18 12:24:19 2019 From: w5sum at comcast.net (Ronnie Hull) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 11:24:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 placement question Message-ID: <1F77AFF2-1658-4E8A-B40B-E8925289AB2B@comcast.net> I may already know the answer to this but would it be foolishness to set the amp on top of the power supply? Ronnie W5SUM Sent from my iPhone From dick at elecraft.com Mon Mar 18 12:37:07 2019 From: dick at elecraft.com (dick at elecraft.com) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 09:37:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 placement question In-Reply-To: <1F77AFF2-1658-4E8A-B40B-E8925289AB2B@comcast.net> References: <1F77AFF2-1658-4E8A-B40B-E8925289AB2B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000001d4dda8$d3dbd230$7b937690$@elecraft.com> I'm afraid so. Page 9 of the KPA1500 owner's manual, first sentence: "Provide at least 4" (10 cm) clearance behind the RF Deck fans and above the Power Supply top cover." 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Ronnie Hull Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 09:24 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 placement question I may already know the answer to this but would it be foolishness to set the amp on top of the power supply? Ronnie W5SUM Sent from my iPhone ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Mar 18 12:38:42 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 12:38:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 placement question In-Reply-To: <1F77AFF2-1658-4E8A-B40B-E8925289AB2B@comcast.net> References: <1F77AFF2-1658-4E8A-B40B-E8925289AB2B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <12b5b12c-12d6-0aee-60ea-850297bcb8e0@embarqmail.com> Ronnie, Not a problem at all. Many want to locate the power supply on the floor to save space and keep the fan noise a bit further away. If you choose that, put the power supply vertically on its front panel. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/18/2019 12:24 PM, Ronnie Hull wrote: > I may already know the answer to this but would it be foolishness to set the amp on top of the power supply? From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Mar 18 12:41:02 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 12:41:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 placement question In-Reply-To: <1F77AFF2-1658-4E8A-B40B-E8925289AB2B@comcast.net> References: <1F77AFF2-1658-4E8A-B40B-E8925289AB2B@comcast.net> Message-ID: Sorry, but Dick preempted me.? His answer is correct.? Provide spacers if you want to mount them together. 73, Don W3FPR Ronnie, Not a problem at all. Many want to locate the power supply on the floor to save space and keep the fan noise a bit further away. If you choose that, put the power supply vertically on its front panel. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/18/2019 12:24 PM, Ronnie Hull wrote: > I may already know the answer to this but would it be foolishness to > set the amp on top of the power supply? From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Mar 18 12:44:26 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 12:44:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] BKM for shipping KPA1500? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57357fd9-4a34-0eda-a032-3a964b0fd0b7@embarqmail.com> The box it shipped in with the internal supports should work fine. While I prefer UPS, any of the other carriers will be fine. Email support at elecraft.com and request an RSA. Do not ship it until you have the RSA form filled out and follow the shipping instructions. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/18/2019 12:13 PM, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote: > "BKM" = best known methods > > I think I may have to ship back a broken KPA1500 and so I'm wondering > what others have done to ship it. I'm pretty sure I have the box it came > in, but it may need better packing. > > I know it'll cost me a bit to ship, but a broken amp is not doing me any > good. What's the safest? FedEx store? UPS store? > > And, of course, I'm waiting for support to confirm before I ship it. > They haven't been the most pleasant, but that's a different story for > another day. > > Thanks. > From htodd at twofifty.com Mon Mar 18 12:52:22 2019 From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 09:52:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Elecraft] BKM for shipping KPA1500? In-Reply-To: <57357fd9-4a34-0eda-a032-3a964b0fd0b7@embarqmail.com> References: <57357fd9-4a34-0eda-a032-3a964b0fd0b7@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Don. I just wanted to make sure. I have one more test to do - to try a new cable. The ohmmeter said the old cable was fine but I'm having a cable sent. On Mon, 18 Mar 2019, Don Wilhelm wrote: > The box it shipped in with the internal supports should work fine. > While I prefer UPS, any of the other carriers will be fine. > > Email support at elecraft.com and request an RSA. Do not ship it until you have > the RSA form filled out and follow the shipping instructions. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/18/2019 12:13 PM, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote: >> "BKM" = best known methods >> >> I think I may have to ship back a broken KPA1500 and so I'm wondering >> what others have done to ship it. I'm pretty sure I have the box it came >> in, but it may need better packing. >> >> I know it'll cost me a bit to ship, but a broken amp is not doing me any >> good. What's the safest? FedEx store? UPS store? >> >> And, of course, I'm waiting for support to confirm before I ship it. >> They haven't been the most pleasant, but that's a different story for >> another day. >> >> Thanks. >> > -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee From tommy58 at hvc.rr.com Mon Mar 18 14:33:43 2019 From: tommy58 at hvc.rr.com (Tommy) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 14:33:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Power output keeps folding back to 5 watts on my KX2 Message-ID: ?? Hi folks, ???? I'm running FT8 with a KX2 powered by a power supply. The rig keeps folding back from 10-12 watts to 5 every time and it's barely even warm.? I'll set it to 12W for instance, it'll transmit fine at that level but when done cut back to 5w. I don't transmit often enough for it to get hot enough to protect itself. AGC is off. Any ideas? I appreciate any feedback. 73 de Tom - KB2SMS From wunder at wunderwood.org Mon Mar 18 14:36:22 2019 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 11:36:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Power output keeps folding back to 5 watts on my KX2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20D4B89F-191D-496B-87F7-DAF940A24784@wunderwood.org> Set the display to show the power supply voltage and watch it while you transmit. The transmitter requires a voltage over 11 V for more than 5 W. If the voltage is dropping below 11 V, that is the problem. This in the specifications section of the KX3 manual. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Mar 18, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Tommy wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I'm running FT8 with a KX2 powered by a power supply. The rig keeps folding back from 10-12 watts to 5 every time and it's barely even warm. I'll set it to 12W for instance, it'll transmit fine at that level but when done cut back to 5w. I don't transmit often enough for it to get hot enough to protect itself. AGC is off. Any ideas? I appreciate any feedback. > > 73 de Tom - KB2SMS > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From tommy58 at hvc.rr.com Mon Mar 18 14:47:18 2019 From: tommy58 at hvc.rr.com (Tommy) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 14:47:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Power output keeps folding back to 5 watts on my KX2 In-Reply-To: <20D4B89F-191D-496B-87F7-DAF940A24784@wunderwood.org> References: <20D4B89F-191D-496B-87F7-DAF940A24784@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <04cc05c5-474e-d1b2-688e-a46244a83d12@hvc.rr.com> ? Ahhh, O.K., with my 13.2v Astron it's showing 10.3 - 10.8. I guess for now with this power supply I'll have to settle for 5 watts. Thank you for the quick reply. Tom - KB2SMS On 3/18/19 2:36 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > Set the display to show the power supply voltage and watch it while you transmit. The transmitter requires a voltage over 11 V for more than 5 W. > > If the voltage is dropping below 11 V, that is the problem. > > This in the specifications section of the KX3 manual. > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > >> On Mar 18, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Tommy wrote: >> >> Hi folks, >> >> I'm running FT8 with a KX2 powered by a power supply. The rig keeps folding back from 10-12 watts to 5 every time and it's barely even warm. I'll set it to 12W for instance, it'll transmit fine at that level but when done cut back to 5w. I don't transmit often enough for it to get hot enough to protect itself. AGC is off. Any ideas? I appreciate any feedback. >> >> 73 de Tom - KB2SMS >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From richard.corfield at gmail.com Mon Mar 18 16:39:20 2019 From: richard.corfield at gmail.com (Richard Corfield) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 20:39:20 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Power output keeps folding back to 5 watts on my KX2 In-Reply-To: <04cc05c5-474e-d1b2-688e-a46244a83d12@hvc.rr.com> References: <20D4B89F-191D-496B-87F7-DAF940A24784@wunderwood.org> <04cc05c5-474e-d1b2-688e-a46244a83d12@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: Don't Elecraft recommend using lower power for high duty digital modes? (Though FT8 us 15s bursts so not as high duty as some). - Richard On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 18:46, Tommy wrote: > Ahhh, O.K., with my 13.2v Astron it's showing 10.3 - 10.8. I guess > for now with this power supply I'll have to settle for 5 watts. Thank > you for the quick reply. > > Tom - KB2SMS > > > On 3/18/19 2:36 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > > Set the display to show the power supply voltage and watch it while you > transmit. The transmitter requires a voltage over 11 V for more than 5 W. > > > > If the voltage is dropping below 11 V, that is the problem. > > > > This in the specifications section of the KX3 manual. > > > > wunder > > K6WRU > > Walter Underwood > > CM87wj > > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > > > >> On Mar 18, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Tommy wrote: > >> > >> Hi folks, > >> > >> I'm running FT8 with a KX2 powered by a power supply. The rig > keeps folding back from 10-12 watts to 5 every time and it's barely even > warm. I'll set it to 12W for instance, it'll transmit fine at that level > but when done cut back to 5w. I don't transmit often enough for it to get > hot enough to protect itself. AGC is off. Any ideas? I appreciate any > feedback. > >> > >> 73 de Tom - KB2SMS > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Mar 18 16:55:11 2019 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 13:55:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Power output keeps folding back to 5 watts on my KX2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Based on a presentation by Eric at the West Valley Amateur Radio Association, Elecraft tends to build their equipment to run at full advertised power with digital modes. Their model is a RTTY contester calling CQ with 60% to 70% of the time transmitting. He indicated that the KPA1500 would run for 5 minutes at full output before needing a rest. I have not had any problems running my K3 at 100W with FT8. Interestingly, the fans speed up during the receive part of the cycle. 73 Bill AE6JV On 3/18/19 at 1:39 PM, richard.corfield at gmail.com (Richard Corfield) wrote: >Don't Elecraft recommend using lower power for high duty digital modes? >(Though FT8 us 15s bursts so not as high duty as some). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like 408-356-8506 | a fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a www.pwpconsult.com | moment should it be left to irresponsible action. Geo Washington From ve5ra at sasktel.net Mon Mar 18 16:57:44 2019 From: ve5ra at sasktel.net (Doug Renwick) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 14:57:44 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] shipping KPA1500? In-Reply-To: <57357fd9-4a34-0eda-a032-3a964b0fd0b7@embarqmail.com> References: <57357fd9-4a34-0eda-a032-3a964b0fd0b7@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <845FFA6353164BE9BAA125793D1837F7@DOUG8PC> What does Elecraft charge for shipping the KPA 1500 by USPS. Doug "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." Albert Einstein --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From wunder at wunderwood.org Mon Mar 18 17:00:11 2019 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 14:00:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Power output keeps folding back to 5 watts on my KX2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48FE7A90-9331-45C0-B2C4-25F24313FE0C@wunderwood.org> Based on the KX3 specifications, it is designed to run at lower power for full-carrier modes. From the transmitter specifications on page 54 of the KX3 Owner?s Manual: "5 W or less recommended for high-duty-cycle modes (FM, AM, DATA). Power will automatically be reduced if PA temperature or current limits are exceeded.? I?d check the KX2 specs for info on that model. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Mar 18, 2019, at 1:55 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > > Based on a presentation by Eric at the West Valley Amateur Radio Association, Elecraft tends to build their equipment to run at full advertised power with digital modes. Their model is a RTTY contester calling CQ with 60% to 70% of the time transmitting. He indicated that the KPA1500 would run for 5 minutes at full output before needing a rest. > > I have not had any problems running my K3 at 100W with FT8. Interestingly, the fans speed up during the receive part of the cycle. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > On 3/18/19 at 1:39 PM, richard.corfield at gmail.com (Richard Corfield) wrote: > >> Don't Elecraft recommend using lower power for high duty digital modes? >> (Though FT8 us 15s bursts so not as high duty as some). > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz | Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like > 408-356-8506 | a fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a > www.pwpconsult.com | moment should it be left to irresponsible action. Geo Washington > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Mar 18 17:16:45 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 17:16:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Power output keeps folding back to 5 watts on my KX2 In-Reply-To: <04cc05c5-474e-d1b2-688e-a46244a83d12@hvc.rr.com> References: <20D4B89F-191D-496B-87F7-DAF940A24784@wunderwood.org> <04cc05c5-474e-d1b2-688e-a46244a83d12@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: <03b3ba3c-b0b0-d814-ea63-efb1515b1570@embarqmail.com> Tommy, That is too much voltage drop. Check all your power connections to be sure they are tight. If the power supply terminals rotate even a little bit, open the power supply and tighten the terminals securely. Since the KX2 power control tries to maintain the set power, if the voltage drops, it has to draw more current. That means your KX2 may be exceeding the current limits due to the reduced voltage. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/18/2019 2:47 PM, Tommy wrote: > ? Ahhh, O.K., with my 13.2v Astron it's showing 10.3 - 10.8. I guess > for now with this power supply I'll have to settle for 5 watts. Thank > you for the quick reply. > From tomgeorgens15 at gmail.com Mon Mar 18 17:38:58 2019 From: tomgeorgens15 at gmail.com (Tom Georgens) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 14:38:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Using Elecraft KPA-1500 for 2 radios In-Reply-To: <78937043-e046-8501-80f4-664f8fd54eea@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <001001d4dd25$6a89a100$3f9ce300$@com> <25533788-1143-4de2-87c3-d69ded24f522@arrl.net> <78937043-e046-8501-80f4-664f8fd54eea@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <338401d4ddd2$ffaf82b0$ff0e8810$@gmail.com> Hi Jim I bought a bunch of these for my station in 8P. When you reported your findings with these devices, I was very concerned. I had one in 8P with me at the time and I measured it in my AIM 4170. I could not reproduce your observations and used it on 10M with no obvious issues. Since I have been home, I took another set of measurements with my DG8SAQ VNA. They were essentially identical to what I measured in 8P. Just so we are clear on definitions, I measured them in in both directions using both ports and a precision 50 ohm load. In-A had a steadily rising SWR with frequency, maxing out at 1.1:1 on 28Mhz. In-B was slightly worse with the same shape and a max SWR of 1.15:1 at 28 Mhz. It was the same in both directions and did not change if the unused port was terminated or open. The isolation was essentially as advertised, over 80 dB up to 28 Mhz. Admittedly 1.15:1 is not world class, and could be better, but I don't consider it unacceptable and I plan on using the switches I bought. Are we drawing different conclusions from the same data? If you had different measurements, I would be curious if there was some design change along the way. I did not open them up. The units I have were bought from another ham, but they were unused. They also make a product called an Op Swapper that has some other functionality. What I am testing is the A/B station selector. 73, Tom W2SC -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 8:12 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Using Elecraft KPA-1500 for 2 radios Not a great choice. SWR gets increasing nasty above 15M because the construction uses chassis as signal return rather than carrying it on the circuit board. It's a two-sided board, but the "ground" layer is broken under the traces that carry the RF, so return current can't flow on that layer. I didn't have the heart to try to measure crosstalk. 5-6 years ago, I bought several of them for antenna switching, and learned that the hard way. I modified them by paralleling copper braid from the connectors to the board and following the RF paths through the relays across the board as best I could. That reduced the SWR by about half. I've since replaced all of them, and they're for sale. :) 73, Jim K9YC On 3/17/2019 6:15 PM, Bill Steffey wrote: > i use topten a/b coax switches,,,, to switch between the kpa500 & > acom 2000 ... one in front of the amps , one in back .... also > have them switching between K3 & an Icom.... > > https://toptendevices.com/products/ab-station-selector/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From nr4c at widomaker.com Mon Mar 18 17:53:05 2019 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 17:53:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Power output keeps folding back to 5 watts on my KX2 In-Reply-To: <48FE7A90-9331-45C0-B2C4-25F24313FE0C@wunderwood.org> References: <48FE7A90-9331-45C0-B2C4-25F24313FE0C@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <01D7FDC6-55BE-4590-980B-CE9F8AE85A63@widomaker.com> Walter. While I suspect that voltage requirements for the KX3 are similar to those of the KX2, its a KX2 as the device in question. And I agree with Don. The underlying issue here is why is the power supply voltage so low? The KX2 (or KX3) shouldn?t draw more than around three Amps under full TX power. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 18, 2019, at 5:00 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > > Based on the KX3 specifications, it is designed to run at lower power for full-carrier modes. > > From the transmitter specifications on page 54 of the KX3 Owner?s Manual: > > "5 W or less recommended for high-duty-cycle modes (FM, AM, DATA). Power will automatically be reduced if PA temperature or current limits are exceeded.? > > I?d check the KX2 specs for info on that model. > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > >> On Mar 18, 2019, at 1:55 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: >> >> Based on a presentation by Eric at the West Valley Amateur Radio Association, Elecraft tends to build their equipment to run at full advertised power with digital modes. Their model is a RTTY contester calling CQ with 60% to 70% of the time transmitting. He indicated that the KPA1500 would run for 5 minutes at full output before needing a rest. >> >> I have not had any problems running my K3 at 100W with FT8. Interestingly, the fans speed up during the receive part of the cycle. >> >> 73 Bill AE6JV >> >>> On 3/18/19 at 1:39 PM, richard.corfield at gmail.com (Richard Corfield) wrote: >>> >>> Don't Elecraft recommend using lower power for high duty digital modes? >>> (Though FT8 us 15s bursts so not as high duty as some). >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Bill Frantz | Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like >> 408-356-8506 | a fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a >> www.pwpconsult.com | moment should it be left to irresponsible action. Geo Washington >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From tommy58 at hvc.rr.com Mon Mar 18 18:11:58 2019 From: tommy58 at hvc.rr.com (Tommy) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 18:11:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: Power output keeps folding back to 5 watts on my KX2 In-Reply-To: <37691c8c-a645-c6f5-73fd-2b2983daf5b8@hvc.rr.com> References: <37691c8c-a645-c6f5-73fd-2b2983daf5b8@hvc.rr.com> Message-ID: <5a34d115-789b-534f-0c82-cb3beb7e67a0@hvc.rr.com> ??? Gordon nailed it. Problem resolved. Thank you everyone for your replies. 73 de Tom - KB2SMS -------- Forwarded Message -------- ? Bingo Gordon! That was it. I'm showing 12v on transmit now. I had a squirrelly connection. Thank you for your reply. 73 de Tom - KB2SMS On 3/18/19 2:53 PM, Gordon LaPoint wrote: > Its probably not the power supply, but the connectors/wiring/fuses > between the radio and the power supply. > > Gordon - N1MGO > > On 3/18/19 2:47 PM, Tommy wrote: >> ? Ahhh, O.K., with my 13.2v Astron it's showing 10.3 - 10.8. I guess >> for now with this power supply I'll have to settle for 5 watts. Thank >> you for the quick reply. >> >> Tom - KB2SMS >> >> >> On 3/18/19 2:36 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >>> Set the display to show the power supply voltage and watch it while >>> you transmit. The transmitter requires a voltage over 11 V for more >>> than 5 W. >>> >>> If the voltage is dropping below 11 V, that is the problem. >>> >>> This in the specifications section of the KX3 manual. >>> >>> wunder >>> K6WRU >>> Walter Underwood >>> CM87wj >>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) >>> >>>> On Mar 18, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Tommy wrote: >>>> >>>> ??? Hi folks, >>>> >>>> ????? I'm running FT8 with a KX2 powered by a power supply. The rig >>>> keeps folding back from 10-12 watts to 5 every time and it's barely >>>> even warm.? I'll set it to 12W for instance, it'll transmit fine at >>>> that level but when done cut back to 5w. I don't transmit often >>>> enough for it to get hot enough to protect itself. AGC is off. Any >>>> ideas? I appreciate any feedback. >>>> >>>> 73 de Tom - KB2SMS >>>> From m.matthew.george at gmail.com Mon Mar 18 18:38:23 2019 From: m.matthew.george at gmail.com (M. George) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 16:38:23 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3Suite ? Message-ID: Bob, I just saw your question about Win4K3Suite. I can add my recommendation to the others that have responding. I highly recommend it. I even took the time and made a very detailed YouTube video that you might be interested in. It focuses on the capability of sharing the K3/S CAT feed across multiple software apps and hardware. Here is the link if you want to take a look... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbf7BPfcj4U I pack a lot of detail in the video... you can jump forward 10 seconds or back 10 seconds by using the 'J' and 'L' keys on your keyboard or 3 second jumps using the arrow keys. This video will give you some good context of how you can leverage the 'virtual' CAT feeds. I love this solution because it's 100% transparent to the software or hardware you are using. In all cases, the software or hardware thinks it's directly connected to your K3/S. Max NG7M > Thanks to all who responded to my question abt the Win4K3Suite.Sounds like exactly what I need and a very good program.I'll let you know how it works out for me.73 de Bob K4RLC -- M. George From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Mar 18 19:54:08 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 16:54:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Using Elecraft KPA-1500 for 2 radios In-Reply-To: <338401d4ddd2$ffaf82b0$ff0e8810$@gmail.com> References: <001001d4dd25$6a89a100$3f9ce300$@com> <25533788-1143-4de2-87c3-d69ded24f522@arrl.net> <78937043-e046-8501-80f4-664f8fd54eea@audiosystemsgroup.com> <338401d4ddd2$ffaf82b0$ff0e8810$@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 3/18/2019 2:38 PM, Tom Georgens wrote: > Admittedly 1.15:1 is not world class, and could be better, but I don't consider it unacceptable and I plan on using the switches I bought. Are we drawing different conclusions from the same data? Hi Tom, Yes, we are. I was using a pair of them to switch inputs and outputs of a KPA500 an Ten Tec Titan. I use the KPA mostly on 6M, and what you saw on 10M was significantly worse there. Another important point. It is totally unrealistic to terminate un-used ports for isolation measurements, because un-used ports are often not matched at the frequency where isolation is of concern. I measure isolation between ports with a VNA (the DG8SAQ VNWA3e). In the case of this unit, I would measure between the two outputs. 73, Jim From ve5ra at sasktel.net Mon Mar 18 20:18:32 2019 From: ve5ra at sasktel.net (Doug Renwick) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 18:18:32 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] shipping KPA1500? Message-ID: <47A9EB8557F941BC83E9698A8D540DF5@DOUG8PC> I need to re-word my question. When returning a KPA 1500 for repair using USPS, how much is it costing? Doug "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." Albert Einstein -----Original Message----- What does Elecraft charge for shipping the KPA 1500 by USPS. Doug --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From tomgeorgens15 at gmail.com Mon Mar 18 21:01:04 2019 From: tomgeorgens15 at gmail.com (Tom Georgens) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 18:01:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Using Elecraft KPA-1500 for 2 radios In-Reply-To: References: <001001d4dd25$6a89a100$3f9ce300$@com> <25533788-1143-4de2-87c3-d69ded24f522@arrl.net> <78937043-e046-8501-80f4-664f8fd54eea@audiosystemsgroup.com> <338401d4ddd2$ffaf82b0$ff0e8810$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <354b01d4ddef$3af983e0$b0ec8ba0$@gmail.com> Thanks Jim I did not go all the way to 50Mhz. You comment indicated a knee at 21 Mhz, I did not see that. I saw a linear rise in SWR with frequency. At 28Mhx, the resistive component was still close to 50 ohms. It looks like a fixed inductance or capacitance that likely could be compensated away if I were so motivated. FWIW - their website only provides specifications up to 30 Mhz. It is possible that the design scope did not contemplate 50Mhz use. With 80db of relay isolation, termination should be moot. I was just verifying that it was. I saw no difference in a 50 ohm load or an open. In my use case, the unused port will be grounded (I think) so I wanted to be sure. They should be fine for my use case, but I can see why they did not work for you. I feel better knowing I was not missing anything in my measurements. Tom -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 4:54 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Using Elecraft KPA-1500 for 2 radios On 3/18/2019 2:38 PM, Tom Georgens wrote: > Admittedly 1.15:1 is not world class, and could be better, but I don't consider it unacceptable and I plan on using the switches I bought. Are we drawing different conclusions from the same data? Hi Tom, Yes, we are. I was using a pair of them to switch inputs and outputs of a KPA500 an Ten Tec Titan. I use the KPA mostly on 6M, and what you saw on 10M was significantly worse there. Another important point. It is totally unrealistic to terminate un-used ports for isolation measurements, because un-used ports are often not matched at the frequency where isolation is of concern. I measure isolation between ports with a VNA (the DG8SAQ VNWA3e). In the case of this unit, I would measure between the two outputs. 73, Jim ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From john at kk9a.com Mon Mar 18 21:07:50 2019 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 21:07:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] shipping KPA1500? Message-ID: <000301d4ddf0$2cfb6730$86f23590$@com> There is no simple answer however it is easy to get the shipping price on the USPS website by entering the to and from zipcodes, the box size, weight and insured value. John KK9A Doug Renwick ve5ra wrote I need to re-word my question. When returning a KPA 1500 for repair using USPS, how much is it costing? Doug From k6mr at outlook.com Mon Mar 18 21:13:40 2019 From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 01:13:40 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Using Elecraft KPA-1500 for 2 radios In-Reply-To: <354b01d4ddef$3af983e0$b0ec8ba0$@gmail.com> References: <001001d4dd25$6a89a100$3f9ce300$@com> <25533788-1143-4de2-87c3-d69ded24f522@arrl.net> <78937043-e046-8501-80f4-664f8fd54eea@audiosystemsgroup.com> <338401d4ddd2$ffaf82b0$ff0e8810$@gmail.com> , <354b01d4ddef$3af983e0$b0ec8ba0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have been using 4 of these switches to share one amplifier between two K3s in an SO2R setup for the past 4 years. I was running two KPA500s in parallel, but recently switched to a KPA1500. No problems. I don?t operate 6 meters, and 10 meters hasn?t been open in so long I can honestly say I don?t operate there either! Ken K6MR ________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of Tom Georgens Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 6:01:04 PM To: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Using Elecraft KPA-1500 for 2 radios Thanks Jim I did not go all the way to 50Mhz. You comment indicated a knee at 21 Mhz, I did not see that. I saw a linear rise in SWR with frequency. At 28Mhx, the resistive component was still close to 50 ohms. It looks like a fixed inductance or capacitance that likely could be compensated away if I were so motivated. FWIW - their website only provides specifications up to 30 Mhz. It is possible that the design scope did not contemplate 50Mhz use. With 80db of relay isolation, termination should be moot. I was just verifying that it was. I saw no difference in a 50 ohm load or an open. In my use case, the unused port will be grounded (I think) so I wanted to be sure. They should be fine for my use case, but I can see why they did not work for you. I feel better knowing I was not missing anything in my measurements. Tom -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 4:54 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Using Elecraft KPA-1500 for 2 radios On 3/18/2019 2:38 PM, Tom Georgens wrote: > Admittedly 1.15:1 is not world class, and could be better, but I don't consider it unacceptable and I plan on using the switches I bought. Are we drawing different conclusions from the same data? Hi Tom, Yes, we are. I was using a pair of them to switch inputs and outputs of a KPA500 an Ten Tec Titan. I use the KPA mostly on 6M, and what you saw on 10M was significantly worse there. Another important point. It is totally unrealistic to terminate un-used ports for isolation measurements, because un-used ports are often not matched at the frequency where isolation is of concern. I measure isolation between ports with a VNA (the DG8SAQ VNWA3e). In the case of this unit, I would measure between the two outputs. 73, Jim ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From john at kk9a.com Mon Mar 18 21:15:34 2019 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 21:15:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Using Elecraft KPA-1500 for 2 radios Message-ID: <000701d4ddf1$41478510$c3d68f30$@com> N3RD (a fellow contester) is very responsive and knowledgeable on Top Ten products. You should contact him if you have any questions or concerns. I am bringing a Top Ten Decoder and 6 way switch to Bonaire for WPX SSB later this month. John KK9A - PJ4R Tom Georgens W2SC wrote: Hi Jim I bought a bunch of these for my station in 8P. When you reported your findings with these devices, I was very concerned. I had one in 8P with me at the time and I measured it in my AIM 4170. I could not reproduce your observations and used it on 10M with no obvious issues. Since I have been home, I took another set of measurements with my DG8SAQ VNA. They were essentially identical to what I measured in 8P. Just so we are clear on definitions, I measured them in in both directions using both ports and a precision 50 ohm load. In-A had a steadily rising SWR with frequency, maxing out at 1.1:1 on 28Mhz. In-B was slightly worse with the same shape and a max SWR of 1.15:1 at 28 Mhz. It was the same in both directions and did not change if the unused port was terminated or open. The isolation was essentially as advertised, over 80 dB up to 28 Mhz. Admittedly 1.15:1 is not world class, and could be better, but I don't consider it unacceptable and I plan on using the switches I bought. Are we drawing different conclusions from the same data? If you had different measurements, I would be curious if there was some design change along the way. I did not open them up. The units I have were bought from another ham, but they were unused. They also make a product called an Op Swapper that has some other functionality. What I am testing is the A/B station selector. 73, Tom W2SC From wa4ywm at comcast.net Mon Mar 18 22:06:57 2019 From: wa4ywm at comcast.net (wa4ywm) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 19:06:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 resets in operation or TUNE selection - continuing problem Message-ID: <1552961217453-0.post@n2.nabble.com> This is an issue I have been dealing with for some time now and the troubleshooting process has been complex so I will try to be specific about my questions. Bear with me as I summarize the issue. My K2/KPA100 performs a complete power reset when TUNE has been activated for about 10 seconds. It indicates Hi Cur at that point. The radio has to be on for approximately 2 hours before it exhibits this behavior. This problem originally occurred in 2015. Don Wilhelm helped me troubleshoot it and I thought a solution had been found. The problem showed up again in 2018 and Don worked with me extensively to attempt to resolve it to no avail. Don finally threw in the towel on email troubleshooting and suggested I try replacing components in suspect circuits which I have done. Note that I have probably put in 100+ hours on this effort. We narrowed the problem down to something in the SWR Bridge or the LPF since it appears that the K2 is calling for more power than it can deliver increasing the current until it resets. With that very brief summary in place I will now ask some specific questions which I hope will be picked up on by someone at Elecraft. NOTE: DURING ALL THE TESTING THE KPA100 IS CONNECTED BUT WITH POWER SUPPLIED THROUGH THE BASE K2 CONNECTOR. I have measured the increase in current in TUNE when the Hi Cur event has occurred. I broke the 12V supply circuit to the base K2 PA and associated components to measure the current. During normal TUNE the current is 660mA. During the Hi Cur event the current is 1.9A - an increase of 1.2A. The current shown on the K2 display is 4A total. 1. What is the actual reset mechanism? I thought the re-settable fuse would not trip until 5A was drawn. If it is re-setting, why at 4A? 2. Why is there a 10 sec delay from initiation of TUNE until the K2 resets? 3. Is there some other mechanism for reset (in the firmware?) in the K2? 4. I have replaced every active component in the SWR Bridge including twice replacing the D16 & D17 diodes. I have removed and examined T4. What other components should I look at replacing? This is assuming, of course, that the problem is in the Bridge. 5. Is there something else that needs to be examined? Although I can't imagine what hasn't been examined during the troubleshooting by Don and myself. 6. A basic question - why is there a 2 hour period of power on before TUNE causes a reset? Believe me I have examined this one over and over. I don't expect an answer - just wanted to throw it out there. NOTE: I HAVE PERFORMED ALL UPGRADES DURING THIS ENTIRE PROCESS INCLUDING THE BASE PA UPGRADE. NOTE: IF ANYONE WANTS TO TAKE THE TIME TO READ IT, I HAVE COMPILED AND EDITED ALL OF OUR EMAILS INTO A MORE READABLE DOCUMENT. I REFUSE TO LET THIS THING BEAT ME! THERE HAS TO BE A SOLUTION TO THIS! Thanks for reading. 73, Jim WA4YWM -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Mon Mar 18 22:38:06 2019 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 23:38:06 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote On/Off KPA-1500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hello what are the diferent ways to turn KPA1500?s on/off remotely? Is there any way to turn it on/off alone, with no need to turn on/off the K3? For example i want to turn on K3, but want to have KPA1500 off, is there any way to do that? thanks, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W Libre de virus. www.avast.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> El jue., 14 mar. 2019 a las 22:08, Dick Dievendorff () escribi?: > Some do this with an RCA cable from the K3 rear panel 12v line to the amp > REM connector. The amp turns on and off with the rig. Current draw is > minimal; you can also use the same K3 12v to power your P3. > > 73 de Dick, K6KR > > > On Mar 14, 2019, at 17:57, Charlie Wirth wrote: > > > > Hello: > > > > I recently purchased a KPA-1500 amplifier. I would like to be able to > turn on the amplifier remotely. The manual says to apply 12v to the REM > jack. I was wondering if anyone is doing this and what they are using to > apply the 12 volts. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Charlie W3DDF > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W From rocketnj at gmail.com Mon Mar 18 22:43:44 2019 From: rocketnj at gmail.com (Dave) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 22:43:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote On/Off KPA-1500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Also, is there an easy way to also toggle the amp between operate and standby? Would be nice to write an app for a Smartphone, either Apple or Android (I carry both). Dave wo2x Sent from my iPad > On Mar 18, 2019, at 10:38 PM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: > > hello > > what are the diferent ways to turn KPA1500?s on/off remotely? > > Is there any way to turn it on/off alone, with no need to turn on/off the > K3? > > For example i want to turn on K3, but want to have KPA1500 off, is there > any way to do that? > > thanks, > Jorge > CX6VM/CW5W > > > Libre > de virus. www.avast.com > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > El jue., 14 mar. 2019 a las 22:08, Dick Dievendorff () > escribi?: > >> Some do this with an RCA cable from the K3 rear panel 12v line to the amp >> REM connector. The amp turns on and off with the rig. Current draw is >> minimal; you can also use the same K3 12v to power your P3. >> >> 73 de Dick, K6KR >> >>> On Mar 14, 2019, at 17:57, Charlie Wirth wrote: >>> >>> Hello: >>> >>> I recently purchased a KPA-1500 amplifier. I would like to be able to >> turn on the amplifier remotely. The manual says to apply 12v to the REM >> jack. I was wondering if anyone is doing this and what they are using to >> apply the 12 volts. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Charlie W3DDF >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > > > -- > 73, > Jorge > CX6VM/CW5W > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From dick at elecraft.com Mon Mar 18 23:24:53 2019 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 20:24:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote On/Off KPA-1500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 1) send a serial command ^on1 via the USB port. This is what the KPA1500 Utility does. The amp can process a few commands like this when ?off?. The KPA1500 Remote program can also do this, via the USB connector. ^on0 turns the amp off. 2) supply 12v DC to a rear panel RCA connector. This can be used with a K3 to power the amp on with the K3, but any source of 12v will do. 3) pull down (ground) pin 8 on the ACC connector. Pull it down briefly. 4) send a Wake on LAN ?magic packet? via the Ethernet connector. WoL must be enabled with a menu option. The KPA1500 Remote program does this when connected to the amp via Ethernet. 73 de Dick, K6KR > On Mar 18, 2019, at 19:38, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: > > hello > > what are the diferent ways to turn KPA1500?s on/off remotely? > > Is there any way to turn it on/off alone, with no need to turn on/off the K3? > > For example i want to turn on K3, but want to have KPA1500 off, is there any way to do that? > > thanks, > Jorge > CX6VM/CW5W > > Libre de virus. www.avast.com > >> El jue., 14 mar. 2019 a las 22:08, Dick Dievendorff () escribi?: >> Some do this with an RCA cable from the K3 rear panel 12v line to the amp REM connector. The amp turns on and off with the rig. Current draw is minimal; you can also use the same K3 12v to power your P3. >> >> 73 de Dick, K6KR >> >> > On Mar 14, 2019, at 17:57, Charlie Wirth wrote: >> > >> > Hello: >> > >> > I recently purchased a KPA-1500 amplifier. I would like to be able to turn on the amplifier remotely. The manual says to apply 12v to the REM jack. I was wondering if anyone is doing this and what they are using to apply the 12 volts. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Charlie W3DDF >> > ______________________________________________________________ >> > Elecraft mailing list >> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> > >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > -- > 73, > Jorge > CX6VM/CW5W From dick at elecraft.com Mon Mar 18 23:27:32 2019 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 20:27:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote On/Off KPA-1500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The programming reference has an ^os command to do this. The KPA1500 Utility Operate tab and KPA1500 Remote programs use this command. 73 de Dick, K6KR > On Mar 18, 2019, at 19:43, Dave wrote: > > Also, is there an easy way to also toggle the amp between operate and standby? Would be nice to write an app for a Smartphone, either Apple or Android (I carry both). > > Dave wo2x > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Mar 18, 2019, at 10:38 PM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: >> >> hello >> >> what are the diferent ways to turn KPA1500?s on/off remotely? >> >> Is there any way to turn it on/off alone, with no need to turn on/off the >> K3? >> >> For example i want to turn on K3, but want to have KPA1500 off, is there >> any way to do that? >> >> thanks, >> Jorge >> CX6VM/CW5W >> >> >> Libre >> de virus. www.avast.com >> >> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >> El jue., 14 mar. 2019 a las 22:08, Dick Dievendorff () >> escribi?: >> >>> Some do this with an RCA cable from the K3 rear panel 12v line to the amp >>> REM connector. The amp turns on and off with the rig. Current draw is >>> minimal; you can also use the same K3 12v to power your P3. >>> >>> 73 de Dick, K6KR >>> >>>> On Mar 14, 2019, at 17:57, Charlie Wirth wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello: >>>> >>>> I recently purchased a KPA-1500 amplifier. I would like to be able to >>> turn on the amplifier remotely. The manual says to apply 12v to the REM >>> jack. I was wondering if anyone is doing this and what they are using to >>> apply the 12 volts. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Charlie W3DDF >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >> >> >> -- >> 73, >> Jorge >> CX6VM/CW5W >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From rocketnj at gmail.com Mon Mar 18 23:28:25 2019 From: rocketnj at gmail.com (Dave) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 23:28:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote On/Off KPA-1500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5F1BA371-8EB0-4FD9-B731-C43584990521@gmail.com> Thanks Dick. Dave wo2x Sent from my iPad > On Mar 18, 2019, at 11:27 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote: > > The programming reference has an ^os command to do this. The KPA1500 Utility Operate tab and KPA1500 Remote programs use this command. > > 73 de Dick, K6KR > >> On Mar 18, 2019, at 19:43, Dave wrote: >> >> Also, is there an easy way to also toggle the amp between operate and standby? Would be nice to write an app for a Smartphone, either Apple or Android (I carry both). >> >> Dave wo2x >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Mar 18, 2019, at 10:38 PM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: >>> >>> hello >>> >>> what are the diferent ways to turn KPA1500?s on/off remotely? >>> >>> Is there any way to turn it on/off alone, with no need to turn on/off the >>> K3? >>> >>> For example i want to turn on K3, but want to have KPA1500 off, is there >>> any way to do that? >>> >>> thanks, >>> Jorge >>> CX6VM/CW5W >>> >>> >>> Libre >>> de virus. www.avast.com >>> >>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> >>> El jue., 14 mar. 2019 a las 22:08, Dick Dievendorff () >>> escribi?: >>> >>>> Some do this with an RCA cable from the K3 rear panel 12v line to the amp >>>> REM connector. The amp turns on and off with the rig. Current draw is >>>> minimal; you can also use the same K3 12v to power your P3. >>>> >>>> 73 de Dick, K6KR >>>> >>>>> On Mar 14, 2019, at 17:57, Charlie Wirth wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello: >>>>> >>>>> I recently purchased a KPA-1500 amplifier. I would like to be able to >>>> turn on the amplifier remotely. The manual says to apply 12v to the REM >>>> jack. I was wondering if anyone is doing this and what they are using to >>>> apply the 12 volts. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Charlie W3DDF >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> 73, >>> Jorge >>> CX6VM/CW5W >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From torreym at q.com Mon Mar 18 23:34:51 2019 From: torreym at q.com (Torrey Mitchell) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 22:34:51 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] shipping KPA1500? In-Reply-To: <000301d4ddf0$2cfb6730$86f23590$@com> References: <000301d4ddf0$2cfb6730$86f23590$@com> Message-ID: <000001d4de04$b6912cf0$23b386d0$@q.com> >From Des Moines UPS ground shipping ~ $50 each way. Elecraft covers the excess insurance...at least for me on a warranty repair. 73 Torrey N9PY -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of john at kk9a.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 8/20:08 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] shipping KPA1500? There is no simple answer however it is easy to get the shipping price on the USPS website by entering the to and from zipcodes, the box size, weight and insured value. John KK9A Doug Renwick ve5ra wrote I need to re-word my question. When returning a KPA 1500 for repair using USPS, how much is it costing? Doug ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From vk5yx at wia.org.au Tue Mar 19 00:00:32 2019 From: vk5yx at wia.org.au (Hans J Smit) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 14:30:32 +1030 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Rx Equaliser ON/OFF Message-ID: <6cfd8941-98e1-67e3-5fe1-e894f61fcb5f@wia.org.au> Having set Rx Equaliser desired settings on the KX3, is there any way to switch to "flat" & back during operation? Hans VK5YX From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue Mar 19 01:04:54 2019 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 22:04:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Rx Equaliser ON/OFF In-Reply-To: <6cfd8941-98e1-67e3-5fe1-e894f61fcb5f@wia.org.au> References: <6cfd8941-98e1-67e3-5fe1-e894f61fcb5f@wia.org.au> Message-ID: <8FCF8C25-15D4-49C4-A326-AFE1374F04CF@wunderwood.org> DATA A mode is USB with RX EQ, TX EQ, and compression turned off. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Mar 18, 2019, at 9:00 PM, Hans J Smit wrote: > > Having set Rx Equaliser desired settings on the KX3, is there any way to switch to "flat" & back during operation? > Hans VK5YX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Tue Mar 19 03:21:12 2019 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 23:21:12 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] shipping KPA1500? Message-ID: <201903190721.x2J7LVCY017347@mail46c28.carrierzone.com> go here: https://www.usps.com/ship/online-shipping.htm KPA1500 probably too big for priority mail and would have to go parcel post which charges by postal zones (automatically calculated when you enter both your and Elecraft's zip codes). I use to run a business where I shipped mainly flat-rate boxes but on occasion used parcel post. Alaska to Miami, FL was most expensive via parcel post. But UPS/FedEx were more than double the cost of priority mail when shipped in/out of AK. Most large businesses that ship everyday get special commercial shipping rates from USPS so using Elecraft shipping calculator might provide a lower rate than private party would get. If you are not Elecraft you would not get those rates. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Mar 19 09:55:06 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 09:55:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 resets in operation or TUNE selection - continuing problem In-Reply-To: <1552961217453-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1552961217453-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Jim, Troubleshooting steps to take - in order: Powering only the base K2, connect a wattmeter and dummy load to the KPA100 SO-239 jack. Set the K2 power at 5 watts and do a TUNE. What is the actual power output? If it is more than 12 watts, then the KPA100 wattmeter is at fault. If the actual power is near 5 watts, then the KPA100 wattmeter is OK. If the KPA100 wattmeter is performing OK, then: Remove the KPA100 completely including all cables and test only the base K2. Connect the wattmeter and dummy load to the base K2 BNC antenna jack. Do a TUNE and measure the voltage on the base of Q7 and Q8. It should be in the range of 0.60 to 0.64 volts. Tap DISPLAY to show the voltage and current and do a solid keydown in CW mode. What is the current draw, and what is the actual power shown on the external wattmeter? Did the voltage shown on the K2 drop significantly? If the voltage is low, the K2 must draw more current to develop power. The voltage should not drop significantly and should be above 12.7 volts with a power supply voltage of 13.8 or more. If the voltage drops significantly, check the power cord and its connections - they should all be tight. Turn the power up to 10 watts and keydown. What is the current shown in the K2 display? If it is greater than 3 amps, check the number of turns on the winding of T4 connected to the 3 and 4 leads. There should be 3 turns. Do those checks and let us know what happens. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/18/2019 10:06 PM, wa4ywm wrote: > This is an issue I have been dealing with for some time now and the > troubleshooting process has been complex so I will try to be specific about > my questions. Bear with me as I summarize the issue. > > My K2/KPA100 performs a complete power reset when TUNE has been activated > for about 10 seconds. It indicates Hi Cur at that point. The radio has to be > on for approximately 2 hours before it exhibits this behavior. > > This problem originally occurred in 2015. Don Wilhelm helped me troubleshoot > it and I thought a solution had been found. The problem showed up again in > 2018 and Don worked with me extensively to attempt to resolve it to no > avail. Don finally threw in the towel on email troubleshooting and suggested > I try replacing components in suspect circuits which I have done. > > Note that I have probably put in 100+ hours on this effort. > > We narrowed the problem down to something in the SWR Bridge or the LPF since > it appears that the K2 is calling for more power than it can deliver > increasing the current until it resets. > From ki4txp at gmail.com Tue Mar 19 10:35:52 2019 From: ki4txp at gmail.com (JAY) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 10:35:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sub on 80/75M Message-ID: Good Morning All, I am having an issue on 80/75 SSB. A set to 3.833 and B set to to 3.883 A is LSB B is AM-S with the S flashing. I have tried BSET to change the AM-S to LSB or any other mode. It keeps going back to AM-S I know I am missing something to save that setting. And I know I did something to put that into that mode. Please don't ask me what cus I don't know. In advance THANKS for all your thoughts. -- 73 KI4TXP JAY From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Mar 19 11:09:49 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 11:09:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sub on 80/75M In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <749e820f-ae0b-395c-0cb5-51663078fd28@embarqmail.com> Jay, There is more than one way to "skin a cat". Set VFO A, and then do a double tap on the A>B button to transfer the frequency, mode, and all to VFO B. Then tune VFO B to whatever frequency you wish. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/19/2019 10:35 AM, JAY wrote: > Good Morning All, > I am having an issue on 80/75 SSB. > A set to 3.833 and B set to to 3.883 > A is LSB > B is AM-S with the S flashing. > I have tried BSET to change the AM-S to LSB or any other mode. It keeps > going back to AM-S > I know I am missing something to save that setting. And I know I did > something to put that into that mode. Please don't ask me what cus I don't > know. From ua9cdc at gmail.com Tue Mar 19 14:36:05 2019 From: ua9cdc at gmail.com (Igor Sokolov) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 23:36:05 +0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Pair of K3 in master-slave mode In-Reply-To: <749e820f-ae0b-395c-0cb5-51663078fd28@embarqmail.com> References: <749e820f-ae0b-395c-0cb5-51663078fd28@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <63921106-ae71-133e-ea84-c7d2a520c848@gmail.com> I wonder if somebody knows of an easy way to make a pair of K3 (both with subRX) work in master-slave mode. In other words I want to tune one K3 and want the second K3 follow. The idea is to have 4 antennas connected to 4 receivers so that 4 directions can be monitored simultaneously in contests so polling from a contest logger is also in the mix. If possible, a hardware solution would be the best but software solution is also OK. 73, Igor UA9CDC From no9e at arrl.net Tue Mar 19 15:21:47 2019 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 12:21:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Why are the batteries internal to the KX3? In-Reply-To: <1649059828.6707167.1552787152375@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1649059828.6707167.1552787152375@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1553023307997-0.post@n2.nabble.com> NiMH batteries inside do not leak and they are useful if KX3 is used for something quick, e.g., identification of RFI. They are also good for backup if an external battery is depleted. If someone is really smart, one can try to remove the inside battery holder and substitute 3 Li-Ion flat polymer cells in place, like: https://www.batteryspace.com/1-2cratepolymerli-ioncellspacks.aspx They will need some external connection for charging. I use to have such batteries inside K2. Light, fast-charging, and never a sign of trouble. Ignacy, NO9E -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From zlipecki at gmail.com Tue Mar 19 17:35:25 2019 From: zlipecki at gmail.com (Zbigniew Lipecki) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 14:35:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA100 for sale Message-ID: Hi, All Decided to stay QRP with my k2, it has been purchase from Elecraft on 6/27/2018 and build 3 weeks time - test have been done with k2 as far as page 48 all pass 100% & never used since...I'm in Kamloops, BC, Canada (phone 778257-8593) mail zlipecki @ gmail., will accept PayPal as for price give me a number...Included manual,DC cable extra fuse & few extra parts. Sicerely, Zbigniew ,73 From htodd at twofifty.com Tue Mar 19 20:01:40 2019 From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 17:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone take the bottom plate off of their KPA1500? Message-ID: Well, instead of an RMA, support is having me measure voltages in the KPA1500. Fair enough. So far I've demolished a shelf so I could stand it on end and then took all the small screws out of the bottom of the amplifier and the bottom shelf is still pretty solidly on. What other screws do I have to remove? I looked at the manual, but since it's not an assembly manual there's no info on disassembly. I'd rather not remove screws willy-nilly until it comes off. -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee From htodd at twofifty.com Tue Mar 19 20:26:08 2019 From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 17:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone take the bottom plate off of their KPA1500? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Never mind. I misread the instructions and forgot some side-screws. Unfortunately I made the measurements and I think I've determined there's something wrong with my amp. On Tue, 19 Mar 2019, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote: > Well, instead of an RMA, support is having me measure voltages in the > KPA1500. Fair enough. > > So far I've demolished a shelf so I could stand it on end and then took > all the small screws out of the bottom of the amplifier and the bottom > shelf is still pretty solidly on. > > What other screws do I have to remove? I looked at the manual, but since > it's not an assembly manual there's no info on disassembly. I'd rather > not remove screws willy-nilly until it comes off. > > -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee From lists at w2irt.net Tue Mar 19 20:54:39 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 20:54:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Rear panel mic cable adapter Message-ID: <001b01d4deb7$7fa04ba0$7ee0e2e0$@w2irt.net> Hi all, I have recently removed a MicroKeyer-II from my station in order to reduce complexity, but one of the legacy issues is how to get mic audio into the backplane connector on the K3s. Because of the way my operating desk it set up, I need to keep my headset on the left side, but the radio is on my right. There is no place to hang the headset on the right side. I have a long extension cord that I could probably just re-position to use the front Foster connector, but I'd much rather have it feed the back panel instead for the sake of neatness. Does such an adapter exist? ---------------------------------------------------- Regards, Peter Dougherty, W2IRT DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint www.facebook.com/W2IRT From lists at w2irt.net Tue Mar 19 20:59:17 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 20:59:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY Message-ID: <002801d4deb8$25d43540$717c9fc0$@w2irt.net> I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I should set my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler exclusively (I don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). I have the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I had a MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt I'll be doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just in case. Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for RTTY, just LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built into the K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only using data mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the radio using Data mode for FT8. Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the right settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as always. ---------------------------------------------------- Regards, Peter Dougherty From barrylazar2 at gmail.com Tue Mar 19 21:23:43 2019 From: barrylazar2 at gmail.com (Barry) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 01:23:43 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY In-Reply-To: <002801d4deb8$25d43540$717c9fc0$@w2irt.net> References: <002801d4deb8$25d43540$717c9fc0$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: Peter, I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when using RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use the AFSK mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The set up should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the radio's built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI just because. The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data mode as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the output of some digital software into the radio and use any available bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a filter for each tone. I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-) As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of trouble. Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using the USB connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio in and out. Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker out. The radio will reflect a com port that will be used for control, use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic control on the front of the radio to set the level for the transmitter such that ALC will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The power level should be set with the knob that controls power. This should be how you set up for FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun! 73, Barry K3NDM . ------ Original Message ------ From: "Peter Dougherty" To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I should set >my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler exclusively (I >don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). I have >the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I had a >MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt I'll be >doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just in case. > >Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for RTTY, just >LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built into the >K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only using data >mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the radio >using Data mode for FT8. > >Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the right >settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as always. > > >---------------------------------------------------- > >Regards, >Peter Dougherty > > > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From rmcgraw at blomand.net Tue Mar 19 21:44:21 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 20:44:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY In-Reply-To: References: <002801d4deb8$25d43540$717c9fc0$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <9616a0fe-bb93-0d52-f1c7-76c23ba3310d@blomand.net> If one wishes to run FT-8 that is a USB mode and DATA A conforms to that.?? If you wish to run RTTY i.e. AFSK then use the AFSK A mode and 45 BPS.? The AFSK A is LSB mode which conforms to the RTTY protocol. Set-up between the radio and computer is accomplished with a single USB cable.? I use WSJT-X for FT-8 and MMTTY for AFSK.? Both support CAT control for frequency and mode.??? When you use DATA A or AFSK A the compression and EQ for both RX and TX are negated and you do not have to make any changes to your SSB settings.? As Barry said, the audio level from the computer and audio level adjusted in the software application along with the MIC control on the front which, in those modes, are actually LINE Gain.? The ALC bar should show 4 solid and the 5th flashing.? Control the actual power output is accomplished? by using the PWR control on the radio and NOT in the software or computer. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/19/2019 8:23 PM, Barry wrote: > Peter, > ??? I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when > using RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use > the AFSK mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The > set up should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the > radio's built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI > just because. > > ??? The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage > over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data > mode as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the > output of some digital software into the radio and use any available > bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a > filter for each tone. > > ??? I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would > estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-) > > ??? As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of > trouble. Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using > the USB connector.? This allows both control of the radio and audio in > and out. Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker > out. The radio will reflect a com port that will be used for control, > use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic control on the > front of the radio to set the level for the transmitter such that ALC > will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The power level should be set > with the knob that controls power. This should be how you set up for > FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and go. > Have fun! > > 73, > Barry > K3NDM > . > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Peter Dougherty" > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY > >> I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I >> should set >> my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler >> exclusively (I >> don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). I >> have >> the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I had a >> MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt I'll be >> doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just >> in case. >> >> Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for RTTY, >> just >> LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built >> into the >> K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only using >> data >> mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the radio >> using Data mode for FT8. >> >> Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the right >> settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as >> always. >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------- >> >> Regards, >> Peter Dougherty >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From lists at w2irt.net Tue Mar 19 21:56:10 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 21:56:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY In-Reply-To: References: <002801d4deb8$25d43540$717c9fc0$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <004e01d4dec0$1773d020$465b7060$@w2irt.net> Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to get it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned it in my initial post. Adding more software that I don?t (and will never) understand is the very last thing I want to do unless there is no way around it. When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY filtering came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and it worked with almost no configuration. I would like to have something similar using AFSK and USB connectivity?specifically the twin-peak brick-wall filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY mode in WinWarbler just puts the radio into LSB mode and that?s it. Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it?s compatible. I?ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I?m almost no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just won?t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it isn?t that hard to do?.yet here we are! - pjd From: Barry Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY Peter, I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when using RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use the AFSK mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The set up should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the radio's built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI just because. The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data mode as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the output of some digital software into the radio and use any available bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a filter for each tone. I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-) As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of trouble. Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using the USB connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio in and out. Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker out. The radio will reflect a com port that will be used for control, use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic control on the front of the radio to set the level for the transmitter such that ALC will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The power level should be set with the knob that controls power. This should be how you set up for FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun! 73, Barry K3NDM . ------ Original Message ------ From: "Peter Dougherty" > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I should set my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler exclusively (I don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). I have the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I had a MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt I'll be doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just in case. Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for RTTY, just LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built into the K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only using data mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the radio using Data mode for FT8. Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the right settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as always. ---------------------------------------------------- Regards, Peter Dougherty ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From rmcgraw at blomand.net Tue Mar 19 22:05:19 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 21:05:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY In-Reply-To: <004e01d4dec0$1773d020$465b7060$@w2irt.net> References: <002801d4deb8$25d43540$717c9fc0$@w2irt.net> <004e01d4dec0$1773d020$465b7060$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: Well it's just me........I don't run any software to run another software.? Thus no N1MM, no DX Lab, no Winwarbler, no Win4K2 and such.? If I want to work RTTY the I use MMTTY.? If I want to work the mode FT-8 or other digital modes,? then I run WSJT-X. ? If I want to run PSK-31 or such, I use FLDIGI. ? If I want to work CW, I have a Vibroplex on the desk and the keyer is in the radio. There is no other hardware to be configured. I'm a firm believer that more software running means more issues to resolve.? I keep mine simple, one at a time. Just simple old Bob with a system that works, day in and day out. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/19/2019 8:56 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to get it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned it in my initial post. Adding more software that I don?t (and will never) understand is the very last thing I want to do unless there is no way around it. > > When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY filtering came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and it worked with almost no configuration. I would like to have something similar using AFSK and USB connectivity?specifically the twin-peak brick-wall filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY mode in WinWarbler just puts the radio into LSB mode and that?s it. > > Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it?s compatible. I?ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I?m almost no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just won?t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it isn?t that hard to do?.yet here we are! > > > > - pjd > > > > From: Barry > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM > To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY > > > > Peter, > > I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when using RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use the AFSK mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The set up should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the radio's built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI just because. > > > > The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data mode as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the output of some digital software into the radio and use any available bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a filter for each tone. > > > > I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-) > > > > As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of trouble. Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using the USB connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio in and out. Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker out. The radio will reflect a com port that will be used for control, use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic control on the front of the radio to set the level for the transmitter such that ALC will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The power level should be set with the knob that controls power. This should be how you set up for FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun! > > > > 73, > > Barry > > K3NDM > > . > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: "Peter Dougherty" > > > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM > > Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY > > > > I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I should set > > my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler exclusively (I > > don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). I have > > the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I had a > > MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt I'll be > > doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just in case. > > > > Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for RTTY, just > > LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built into the > > K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only using data > > mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the radio > > using Data mode for FT8. > > > > Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the right > > settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as always. > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > > Regards, > > Peter Dougherty > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From lists at subich.com Tue Mar 19 22:08:17 2019 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 22:08:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY In-Reply-To: <004e01d4dec0$1773d020$465b7060$@w2irt.net> References: <002801d4deb8$25d43540$717c9fc0$@w2irt.net> <004e01d4dec0$1773d020$465b7060$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: In DXLab/WinWarbler (RTTY Tab), set XCVR MODE (LSB) to DATA-L. DXLab will then select AFSK A for RTTY operation. I'm sure the information is in DXKeeper's task oriented documentation. It is certainly available in the microHAM documentation for MK II and DXLab Suite even though you no longer use MK II. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2019-03-19 9:56 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to get it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned it in my initial post. Adding more software that I don?t (and will never) understand is the very last thing I want to do unless there is no way around it. > > When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY filtering came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and it worked with almost no configuration. I would like to have something similar using AFSK and USB connectivity?specifically the twin-peak brick-wall filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY mode in WinWarbler just puts the radio into LSB mode and that?s it. > > Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it?s compatible. I?ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I?m almost no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just won?t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it isn?t that hard to do?.yet here we are! > > > > - pjd > > > > From: Barry > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM > To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY > > > > Peter, > > I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when using RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use the AFSK mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The set up should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the radio's built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI just because. > > > > The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data mode as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the output of some digital software into the radio and use any available bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a filter for each tone. > > > > I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-) > > > > As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of trouble. Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using the USB connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio in and out. Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker out. The radio will reflect a com port that will be used for control, use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic control on the front of the radio to set the level for the transmitter such that ALC will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The power level should be set with the knob that controls power. This should be how you set up for FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun! > > > > 73, > > Barry > > K3NDM > > . > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: "Peter Dougherty" > > > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM > > Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY > > > > I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I should set > > my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler exclusively (I > > don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). I have > > the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I had a > > MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt I'll be > > doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just in case. > > > > Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for RTTY, just > > LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built into the > > K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only using data > > mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the radio > > using Data mode for FT8. > > > > Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the right > > settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as always. > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > > Regards, > > Peter Dougherty > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Mar 19 22:16:40 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 22:16:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY In-Reply-To: <004e01d4dec0$1773d020$465b7060$@w2irt.net> References: <002801d4deb8$25d43540$717c9fc0$@w2irt.net> <004e01d4dec0$1773d020$465b7060$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <7a63c771-1106-b443-6976-d8dba712f134@embarqmail.com> Peter, I don't know why WinWarbler wants to change the mode on the K3/K3S. Take that issue up with the WinWarbler folks. Tell them that the K3 has a distinct data submode for Audio FSK - it is AFSK A and it uses the lower sideband by default. Use it if you can, just like you are now using DATA A for WSJT-X. If WW forces you to use LSB instead, you will have to set compression to zerro, and set RX EQ and TX EQ to a flat response or your RTTY signal will not likely be readable. Then when going back to voice operation you will have to set them back, which is a pain unless you write some macros to make the changes. Other than that, the advice you have been given is good. You may be better off giving up on WinWarbler if they cannot set it up properly for the K3. MMTTY is not difficult to configure and use - actually easier than Fldigi. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/19/2019 9:56 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to get it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned it in my initial post. Adding more software that I don?t (and will never) understand is the very last thing I want to do unless there is no way around it. > > When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY filtering came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and it worked with almost no configuration. I would like to have something similar using AFSK and USB connectivity?specifically the twin-peak brick-wall filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY mode in WinWarbler just puts the radio into LSB mode and that?s it. > > Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it?s compatible. I?ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I?m almost no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just won?t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it isn?t that hard to do?.yet here we are! > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Mar 19 22:19:41 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 19:19:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY In-Reply-To: References: <002801d4deb8$25d43540$717c9fc0$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <25ca5c95-fda3-a02a-64db-b0602b616fe0@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 3/19/2019 6:23 PM, Barry wrote: > I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when using RTTY. Winwarbler is a front-end for MMTTY and 2Tone. Set Elecraft radios for AFSK. I use it for RTTY DXing. 73, Jim K9YC From ve3iay at gmail.com Tue Mar 19 22:26:58 2019 From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 22:26:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY Message-ID: . 73, Rich VE3KI From lists at w2irt.net Tue Mar 19 23:40:01 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 23:40:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY In-Reply-To: References: <002801d4deb8$25d43540$717c9fc0$@w2irt.net> <004e01d4dec0$1773d020$465b7060$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <006801d4dece$9a2b1150$ce8133f0$@w2irt.net> I don't disagree with that approach, Bob. As I've been learning in the last few years, complex is nice when you have the brain-power to cope with all the layers upon layers. Now, I'm far more forgetful, and what used to be fun (learning setup/configs) is one of the things that's driving me away from the hobby. But that said, I do know how to use a good subset of features of N1MM and DX Labs, based on 18 years of N1MM and just about 10 years of DX Labs. It's just a question of hitting all the right notes (and buttons). I know a lot of guys here rave at the Win4K3 software. I tried it and was extremely impressed--an awful lot of GREAT work went into that program, but it's just too much for me to understand. I'd rather just operate what I know and spend my remaining braincells working guys, not playing computer administrator. I'm making a lot of progress tonight both here and on the N1MM reflector (and via email). More later. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:05 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY Well it's just me........I don't run any software to run another software. Thus no N1MM, no DX Lab, no Winwarbler, no Win4K2 and such. If I want to work RTTY the I use MMTTY. If I want to work the mode FT-8 or other digital modes, then I run WSJT-X. If I want to run PSK-31 or such, I use FLDIGI. If I want to work CW, I have a Vibroplex on the desk and the keyer is in the radio. There is no other hardware to be configured. I'm a firm believer that more software running means more issues to resolve. I keep mine simple, one at a time. Just simple old Bob with a system that works, day in and day out. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/19/2019 8:56 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to get it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned it in my initial post. Adding more software that I don?t (and will never) understand is the very last thing I want to do unless there is no way around it. > > When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY filtering came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and it worked with almost no configuration. I would like to have something similar using AFSK and USB connectivity?specifically the twin-peak brick-wall filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY mode in WinWarbler just puts the radio into LSB mode and that?s it. > > Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it?s compatible. I?ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I?m almost no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just won?t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it isn?t that hard to do?.yet here we are! > > > > - pjd > > > > From: Barry > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM > To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY > > > > Peter, > > I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when using RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use the AFSK mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The set up should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the radio's built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI just because. > > > > The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data mode as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the output of some digital software into the radio and use any available bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a filter for each tone. > > > > I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would > estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-) > > > > As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of trouble. Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using the USB connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio in and out. Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker out. The radio will reflect a com port that will be used for control, use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic control on the front of the radio to set the level for the transmitter such that ALC will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The power level should be set with the knob that controls power. This should be how you set up for FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun! > > > > 73, > > Barry > > K3NDM > > . > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: "Peter Dougherty" > > > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM > > Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY > > > > I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I > should set > > my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler > exclusively (I > > don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). I > have > > the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I had a > > MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt I'll > be > > doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just in case. > > > > Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for RTTY, > just > > LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built > into the > > K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only using > data > > mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the > radio > > using Data mode for FT8. > > > > Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the > right > > settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as always. > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > > Regards, > > Peter Dougherty > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From lists at w2irt.net Tue Mar 19 23:48:46 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 23:48:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY In-Reply-To: References: <002801d4deb8$25d43540$717c9fc0$@w2irt.net> <004e01d4dec0$1773d020$465b7060$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <006a01d4decf$d2a6f2a0$77f4d7e0$@w2irt.net> -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>In DXLab/WinWarbler (RTTY Tab), set XCVR MODE (LSB) to DATA-L. DXLab will then select AFSK A for RTTY operation. [pjd] I set it to DATA-L, but it still only sets the radio to LSB (voice). >>I'm sure the information is in DXKeeper's task oriented documentation. [pjd] That's taken me most of the day to sort through and I still can't find the right settings. It took me about 12 hours today (just now) to find out why I wasn't getting any audio through the K3 (Menu-MIC+LIN had been set to OFF). There's just too much documentation and I can't understand 99% of it. Great for the guys who want the theory. I don't. Just "set this and it'll work" or "this menu, try these 2 things" and I can logic it out from there. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Mar 20 00:08:14 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 00:08:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY In-Reply-To: <006a01d4decf$d2a6f2a0$77f4d7e0$@w2irt.net> References: <002801d4deb8$25d43540$717c9fc0$@w2irt.net> <004e01d4dec0$1773d020$465b7060$@w2irt.net> <006a01d4decf$d2a6f2a0$77f4d7e0$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <07e93041-b591-a863-0dcc-76fe44403470@embarqmail.com> Peter, For DATA modes, do NOT use MIC+LIN. That will leave your microphone hot while operating data modes and will pick up room noise - which will be seen as distortion on your transmitted signal. (OK, that is part theory which you don't want any part of, but you need to understand what is happening with the various K3 and computer application settings if you are to make any headway). Set MIC SEL to LINE and turn MIC+LIN to OFF. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/19/2019 11:48 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY > [pjd] That's taken me most of the day to sort through and I still can't find the right settings. It took me about 12 hours today (just now) to find out why I wasn't getting any audio through the K3 (Menu-MIC+LIN had been set to OFF). > From lists at w2irt.net Wed Mar 20 00:12:38 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 00:12:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007001d4ded3$28175330$7845f990$@w2irt.net> Hi Rich/all, Well I managed to find the thing that was really messing me up overall, but I'm still having massive RTTY issues. What had been happening was no AFSK tones for RTTY were getting through, and no voice files for SSB. The key (as I think you mentioned on the N1MM reflector) was the MENU: MIC+LIN setting on the K3s. Once I set that to ON I got voice files. But there's literally nothing I can do to get out of LSB voice mode when WinWarbler is in RTTY mode. Right now, on the RTTY tab, in the Modulation and Transceiver Mode section I have AFSK with the LSB button ticked. I've tried both RTTY mode and DATA-L, which Joe suggested. As I switch WinWarbler between CW, SSB, and RTTY, when I get to RTTY the radio is placed into LSB (voice) mode, not DATA-A, which is the desired result. There is no PTT either, the radio just stays in LSB receive.There is no RTTY SUB MODE setting on the General tab. I guess Dave removed it after your wrote the wiki; however I changed the DATA-L to RTTY. No change. Since the Elecraft portion of this setup has been solved (Mic+LIN), the rest is related to DX Labs, so I'm going to take this last bit of setup to their groups.io forum to conserve bandwidth on this reflector. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Richard Ferch Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:27 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY . 73, Rich VE3KI ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Mar 20 00:16:26 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 00:16:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY In-Reply-To: <006801d4dece$9a2b1150$ce8133f0$@w2irt.net> References: <002801d4deb8$25d43540$717c9fc0$@w2irt.net> <004e01d4dec0$1773d020$465b7060$@w2irt.net> <006801d4dece$9a2b1150$ce8133f0$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <93d88512-7c66-434f-005f-d3e2c2bce4c4@embarqmail.com> Peter, If you are trying to use a computer application (DXLab Suite) and such which call on other computer applications to do your wishes, I fail to understand why you are so adverse to learning the layers of the various software application inter-dependencies and setups that relate one application to another. Bob's approach embodies the KISS principle - use one dedicated application at a time. There is no chance that dependencies of one software application will interfere with another. If you chose to use stacked computer applications, then you will have to understand the relationships between the various computer applications that you have running. Yes, it can be complex. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/19/2019 11:40 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > I don't disagree with that approach, Bob. As I've been learning in the last few years, complex is nice when you have the brain-power to cope with all the layers upon layers. Now, I'm far more forgetful, and what used to be fun (learning setup/configs) is one of the things that's driving me away from the hobby. > > But that said, I do know how to use a good subset of features of N1MM and DX Labs, based on 18 years of N1MM and just about 10 years of DX Labs. It's just a question of hitting all the right notes (and buttons). I know a lot of guys here rave at the Win4K3 software. I tried it and was extremely impressed--an awful lot of GREAT work went into that program, but it's just too much for me to understand. I'd rather just operate what I know and spend my remaining braincells working guys, not playing computer administrator. > > I'm making a lot of progress tonight both here and on the N1MM reflector (and via email). More later. > > - pjd > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:05 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY > > Well it's just me........I don't run any software to run another software. Thus no N1MM, no DX Lab, no Winwarbler, no Win4K2 and such. If I want to work RTTY the I use MMTTY. If I want to work the mode FT-8 or other digital modes, then I run WSJT-X. If I want to run PSK-31 or such, I use FLDIGI. If I want to work CW, I have a Vibroplex on the desk and the keyer is in the radio. There is no other hardware to be configured. > > I'm a firm believer that more software running means more issues to resolve. I keep mine simple, one at a time. > > Just simple old Bob with a system that works, day in and day out. > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > > On 3/19/2019 8:56 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: >> Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to get it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned it in my initial post. Adding more software that I don?t (and will never) understand is the very last thing I want to do unless there is no way around it. >> >> When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY filtering came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and it worked with almost no configuration. I would like to have something similar using AFSK and USB connectivity?specifically the twin-peak brick-wall filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY mode in WinWarbler just puts the radio into LSB mode and that?s it. >> >> Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it?s compatible. I?ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I?m almost no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just won?t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it isn?t that hard to do?.yet here we are! >> >> >> >> - pjd >> >> >> >> From: Barry >> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM >> To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >> >> >> >> Peter, >> >> I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when using RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use the AFSK mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The set up should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the radio's built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI just because. >> >> >> >> The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data mode as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the output of some digital software into the radio and use any available bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a filter for each tone. >> >> >> >> I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would >> estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-) >> >> >> >> As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of trouble. Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using the USB connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio in and out. Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker out. The radio will reflect a com port that will be used for control, use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic control on the front of the radio to set the level for the transmitter such that ALC will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The power level should be set with the knob that controls power. This should be how you set up for FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun! >> >> >> >> 73, >> >> Barry >> >> K3NDM >> >> . >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> >> From: "Peter Dougherty" > >> >> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM >> >> Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >> >> >> >> I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I >> should set >> >> my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler >> exclusively (I >> >> don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). I >> have >> >> the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I had a >> >> MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt I'll >> be >> >> doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just in case. >> >> >> >> Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for RTTY, >> just >> >> LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built >> into the >> >> K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only using >> data >> >> mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the >> radio >> >> using Data mode for FT8. >> >> >> >> Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the >> right >> >> settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as always. >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Peter Dougherty >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> >> Elecraft mailing list >> >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From barrylazar2 at gmail.com Wed Mar 20 01:08:09 2019 From: barrylazar2 at gmail.com (Barry) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 05:08:09 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY In-Reply-To: <004e01d4dec0$1773d020$465b7060$@w2irt.net> References: <002801d4deb8$25d43540$717c9fc0$@w2irt.net> <004e01d4dec0$1773d020$465b7060$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: Peter, For a simple uncomplicated set up, the software choice is whatever you are familiar with, but the GENERAL set up should be the same. I use FLDIGI for two reasons, I know it and it interfaces with N1MM for contesting. I doubt it works better or worse than most of the others. With software there are no interfaces needed if you are using a K3s making set up easier. Like I said earlier, it's just a matter of letting your software know what sound card you are using, the USB CODEC, and the com port of the radio. The rest is pretty much twisting the knobs on the radio to set levels. You should loose no sleep over this; it's make you tired and mistake prone. Only one thing I forgot to tell you and that is turn your VOX on so the tones turn your transmitter on automatically and off when you're finished sending. I just looked up Winwarbler. It says it can be used for RTTY, but you need either a multimode modem or some additional software and then they must all play together. I really suggest not using Winwarbler if I am correct; it will add an additional level of complexity. Use FLDIGI. MixW, MultiPSK, or another complete S/W application. The setup should be more straight forward. If you want, I can talk you through it via LL phone. It really shouldn't take more than about 30-45 minutes to make it all play. Contact me directly and I'll give you my phone number. But, I don't function before about noon EDT. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Peter Dougherty" To: "Barry" ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 3/19/2019 9:56:10 PM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to get >it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned it >in my initial post. Adding more software that I don?t (and will never) >understand is the very last thing I want to do unless there is no way >around it. > >When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY filtering >came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and it worked >with almost no configuration. I would like to have something similar >using AFSK and USB connectivity?specifically the twin-peak brick-wall >filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY mode in WinWarbler just >puts the radio into LSB mode and that?s it. > >Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it?s >compatible. I?ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 >nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I?m almost >no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via >WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just >won?t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it isn?t >that hard to do?.yet here we are! > > > >- pjd > > > >From: Barry >Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM >To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY > > > >Peter, > > I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when using >RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use the AFSK >mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The set up >should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the radio's >built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI just >because. > > > > The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage >over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data mode >as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the output >of some digital software into the radio and use any available >bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a >filter for each tone. > > > > I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would >estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-) > > > > As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of trouble. >Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using the USB >connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio in and out. >Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker out. The >radio will reflect a com port that will be used for control, use it at >38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic control on the front of >the radio to set the level for the transmitter such that ALC will show >4 bars and a flickering 5th. The power level should be set with the >knob that controls power. This should be how you set up for FT8 using >WSJT-X. All you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun! > > > >73, > >Barry > >K3NDM > >. > >------ Original Message ------ > >From: "Peter Dougherty" > >To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM > >Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY > > > >>I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I >>should set >> >>my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler >>exclusively (I >> >>don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). I >>have >> >>the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I had a >> >>MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt I'll >>be >> >>doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just in >>case. >> >> >> >>Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for RTTY, >>just >> >>LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built >>into the >> >>K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only using >>data >> >>mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the >>radio >> >>using Data mode for FT8. >> >> >> >>Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the >>right >> >>settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as >>always. >> >> >> >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >>Regards, >> >>Peter Dougherty >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>______________________________________________________________ >> >>Elecraft mailing list >> >>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> >>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> >>Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> >> >>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> >>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> From lists at w2irt.net Wed Mar 20 01:53:27 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 01:53:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY In-Reply-To: References: <002801d4deb8$25d43540$717c9fc0$@w2irt.net> <004e01d4dec0$1773d020$465b7060$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <008501d4dee1$3ddd05d0$b9971170$@w2irt.net> I?ve been using WinWarbler for RTTY for almost 10 years now, and it definitely works pretty well with the rest of Dave?s suite of software. Or at least it did with the original MK and later the MK-II. I still had some doozy problems setting it up even then. I documented everything back then so if I experienced a crash I could rebuild pretty quickly. But this is a wholesale change in which dozens of settings are now different. Again, once this is all settled I?ll have screenshot of each setting page so this will (hopefully) be a one-off?provided I keep the K3! RTTY is always the red-headed stepchild of radio setups for me, and the sooner it fades into oblivion as a digital mode the happier I?ll be. I have little love for FT8, but that?s where the DX is now! - pjd From: Barry Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 1:08 AM To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY Peter, For a simple uncomplicated set up, the software choice is whatever you are familiar with, but the GENERAL set up should be the same. I use FLDIGI for two reasons, I know it and it interfaces with N1MM for contesting. I doubt it works better or worse than most of the others. With software there are no interfaces needed if you are using a K3s making set up easier. Like I said earlier, it's just a matter of letting your software know what sound card you are using, the USB CODEC, and the com port of the radio. The rest is pretty much twisting the knobs on the radio to set levels. You should loose no sleep over this; it's make you tired and mistake prone. Only one thing I forgot to tell you and that is turn your VOX on so the tones turn your transmitter on automatically and off when you're finished sending. I just looked up Winwarbler. It says it can be used for RTTY, but you need either a multimode modem or some additional software and then they must all play together. I really suggest not using Winwarbler if I am correct; it will add an additional level of complexity. Use FLDIGI. MixW, MultiPSK, or another complete S/W application. The setup should be more straight forward. If you want, I can talk you through it via LL phone. It really shouldn't take more than about 30-45 minutes to make it all play. Contact me directly and I'll give you my phone number. But, I don't function before about noon EDT. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Peter Dougherty" > To: "Barry" >; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 3/19/2019 9:56:10 PM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to get it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned it in my initial post. Adding more software that I don?t (and will never) understand is the very last thing I want to do unless there is no way around it. When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY filtering came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and it worked with almost no configuration. I would like to have something similar using AFSK and USB connectivity?specifically the twin-peak brick-wall filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY mode in WinWarbler just puts the radio into LSB mode and that?s it. Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it?s compatible. I?ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I?m almost no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just won?t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it isn?t that hard to do?.yet here we are! - pjd From: Barry > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM To: Peter Dougherty >; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY Peter, I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when using RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use the AFSK mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The set up should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the radio's built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI just because. The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data mode as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the output of some digital software into the radio and use any available bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a filter for each tone. I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-) As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of trouble. Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using the USB connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio in and out. Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker out. The radio will reflect a com port that will be used for control, use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic control on the front of the radio to set the level for the transmitter such that ALC will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The power level should be set with the knob that controls power. This should be how you set up for FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun! 73, Barry K3NDM . ------ Original Message ------ From: "Peter Dougherty" > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I should set my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler exclusively (I don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). I have the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I had a MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt I'll be doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just in case. Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for RTTY, just LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built into the K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only using data mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the radio using Data mode for FT8. Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the right settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as always. ---------------------------------------------------- Regards, Peter Dougherty ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From ve3iay at gmail.com Wed Mar 20 08:49:01 2019 From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 08:49:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY In-Reply-To: <007001d4ded3$28175330$7845f990$@w2irt.net> References: <007001d4ded3$28175330$7845f990$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: First, in Data modes, do *not* set MAIN:MIC+LIN to ON. As Joe has explained, you need to set MAIN:MIC+LIN to OFF and MAIN:MIC SEL to LINE. When you are using WinWarbler, all radio control functions are handled by Commander. Commander must be running, and must be interfaced with the radio. The RTTY sub-mode selector is on the General tab of Coimmander's Config window (upper right quadrant). If you don't see it, Commander is not communicating with the radio, and you need to correct that first. Unless you are using a hardware PTT method on a separate COM port from rig control, PTT is also handled by Commander (that is what the Xcvr Ctrl App setting in the WinWarbler configuration means). The PTT buttons on the main Commander window need to be working; if they don't switch the radio into and out of transmit, you need to fix that, otherwise WinWarbler will be unable to control PTT via Commander. 73, Rich VE3KI On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 12:12 AM Peter Dougherty wrote: > Hi Rich/all, > > Well I managed to find the thing that was really messing me up overall, but > I'm still having massive RTTY issues. > > What had been happening was no AFSK tones for RTTY were getting through, > and > no voice files for SSB. The key (as I think you mentioned on the N1MM > reflector) was the MENU: MIC+LIN setting on the K3s. Once I set that to ON > I > got voice files. But there's literally nothing I can do to get out of LSB > voice mode when WinWarbler is in RTTY mode. > > Right now, on the RTTY tab, in the Modulation and Transceiver Mode section > I > have AFSK with the LSB button ticked. I've tried both RTTY mode and DATA-L, > which Joe suggested. As I switch WinWarbler between CW, SSB, and RTTY, when > I get to RTTY the radio is placed into LSB (voice) mode, not DATA-A, which > is the desired result. There is no PTT either, the radio just stays in LSB > receive.There is no RTTY SUB MODE setting on the General tab. I guess Dave > removed it after your wrote the wiki; however I changed the DATA-L to RTTY. > No change. > > Since the Elecraft portion of this setup has been solved (Mic+LIN), the > rest > is related to DX Labs, so I'm going to take this last bit of setup to their > groups.io forum to conserve bandwidth on this reflector. > > - pjd > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > On > Behalf Of Richard Ferch > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:27 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY > > . > > 73, > Rich VE3KI > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > From eastbrantwood at gmail.com Wed Mar 20 11:10:45 2019 From: eastbrantwood at gmail.com (Stephen Prior) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 15:10:45 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Interfacing SunSDR2 pro to KPA500/KAT500 Message-ID: I would be interested to know if anyone has got their head around using the SunSDR's DB15 accessory connector to switch and provide band information to the KPA500? I have tried but I've had no success! I know that I can use the RF sensing capability of the KPA500, as that's how I have it set up at the moment, but I am looking for a more elegant solution. Thanks and 73 Stephen, G4SJP PS I have asked the same question on the Expert forum. From barrylazar2 at gmail.com Wed Mar 20 11:25:59 2019 From: barrylazar2 at gmail.com (Barry) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 15:25:59 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY In-Reply-To: <008501d4dee1$3ddd05d0$b9971170$@w2irt.net> References: <002801d4deb8$25d43540$717c9fc0$@w2irt.net> <004e01d4dec0$1773d020$465b7060$@w2irt.net> <008501d4dee1$3ddd05d0$b9971170$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: I don't know why setting up RTTY using AFSK and a K3s is yielding the level of problems it appears to be. It should be just another digital mode. The only difference should be is to set the radio to AFSK vice DATA A; Of course, you could just use DATA A, but you do want to narrow down the receive bandwidth. Layering the software as I do with N1MM + FLDIGI or WSJT-X with Ham Radio Deluxe does add additional complexity, So, I would suggest just using a simple one layer of software until the familiarity for it is developed and a level of comfort is built. I do like RTTY for contesting. FT8 is OK for DX, but when I get serious, less often these days, I use CW. My station is modest compared to many, just a K3s and some wire in the backyard; no amp, tower, rhombics, etc. I do have DXCC mixed, phone, CW, and am short 23 for digital and 21 on 80 for 5BDXCC. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Peter Dougherty" To: "Barry" ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 3/20/2019 1:53:27 AM Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >I?ve been using WinWarbler for RTTY for almost 10 years now, and it >definitely works pretty well with the rest of Dave?s suite of software. >Or at least it did with the original MK and later the MK-II. I still >had some doozy problems setting it up even then. I documented >everything back then so if I experienced a crash I could rebuild pretty >quickly. But this is a wholesale change in which dozens of settings are >now different. Again, once this is all settled I?ll have screenshot of >each setting page so this will (hopefully) be a one-off?provided I keep >the K3! > >RTTY is always the red-headed stepchild of radio setups for me, and the >sooner it fades into oblivion as a digital mode the happier I?ll be. I >have little love for FT8, but that?s where the DX is now! > > > > >- pjd > > > >From: Barry >Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 1:08 AM >To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY > > > >Peter, > > For a simple uncomplicated set up, the software choice is whatever >you are familiar with, but the GENERAL set up should be the same. I use >FLDIGI for two reasons, I know it and it interfaces with N1MM for >contesting. I doubt it works better or worse than most of the others. >With software there are no interfaces needed if you are using a K3s >making set up easier. Like I said earlier, it's just a matter of >letting your software know what sound card you are using, the USB >CODEC, and the com port of the radio. The rest is pretty much twisting >the knobs on the radio to set levels. You should loose no sleep over >this; it's make you tired and mistake prone. Only one thing I forgot to >tell you and that is turn your VOX on so the tones turn your >transmitter on automatically and off when you're finished sending. > > > > I just looked up Winwarbler. It says it can be used for RTTY, but >you need either a multimode modem or some additional software and then >they must all play together. I really suggest not using Winwarbler if I >am correct; it will add an additional level of complexity. Use FLDIGI. >MixW, MultiPSK, or another complete S/W application. The setup should >be more straight forward. > > > > If you want, I can talk you through it via LL phone. It really >shouldn't take more than about 30-45 minutes to make it all play. >Contact me directly and I'll give you my phone number. But, I don't >function before about noon EDT. > > > >73, > >Barry > >K3NDM > > > >------ Original Message ------ > >From: "Peter Dougherty" > >To: "Barry" ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >Sent: 3/19/2019 9:56:10 PM > >Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY > > > >>Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to >>get it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned >>it in my initial post. Adding more software that I don?t (and will >>never) understand is the very last thing I want to do unless there is >>no way around it. >> >>When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY filtering >>came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and it worked >>with almost no configuration. I would like to have something similar >>using AFSK and USB connectivity?specifically the twin-peak brick-wall >>filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY mode in WinWarbler >>just puts the radio into LSB mode and that?s it. >> >>Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it?s >>compatible. I?ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 >>nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I?m almost >>no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via >>WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just >>won?t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it isn?t >>that hard to do?.yet here we are! >> >> >> >>- pjd >> >> >> >>From: Barry >>Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM >>To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >> >> >> >>Peter, >> >> I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when >>using RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use >>the AFSK mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The >>set up should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the >>radio's built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI >>just because. >> >> >> >> The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage >>over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data >>mode as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the >>output of some digital software into the radio and use any available >>bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a >>filter for each tone. >> >> >> >> I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would >>estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-) >> >> >> >> As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of >>trouble. Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using >>the USB connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio in >>and out. Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker >>out. The radio will reflect a com port that will be used for control, >>use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic control on the >>front of the radio to set the level for the transmitter such that ALC >>will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The power level should be set >>with the knob that controls power. This should be how you set up for >>FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and go. >>Have fun! >> >> >> >>73, >> >>Barry >> >>K3NDM >> >>. >> >>------ Original Message ------ >> >>From: "Peter Dougherty" >> >>To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >>Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM >> >>Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >> >> >> >>>I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I >>>should set >>> >>>my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler >>>exclusively (I >>> >>>don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). I >>>have >>> >>>the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I had >>>a >>> >>>MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt I'll >>>be >>> >>>doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just >>>in case. >>> >>> >>> >>>Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for RTTY, >>>just >>> >>>LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built >>>into the >>> >>>K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only using >>>data >>> >>>mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the >>>radio >>> >>>using Data mode for FT8. >>> >>> >>> >>>Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the >>>right >>> >>>settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as >>>always. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>---------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>>Regards, >>> >>>Peter Dougherty >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>______________________________________________________________ >>> >>>Elecraft mailing list >>> >>>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> >>>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> >>>Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> >>> >>>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> >>>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> From eastbrantwood at gmail.com Wed Mar 20 11:25:38 2019 From: eastbrantwood at gmail.com (Stephen Prior) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 15:25:38 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Interfacing SunSDR2 pro to KPA500/KAT500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have just realised that I asked this question before - sorry, thought it was on another reflector! 73 Stephen G4SJP On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 at 15:10, Stephen Prior wrote: > I would be interested to know if anyone has got their head around using > the SunSDR's DB15 accessory connector to switch and provide band > information to the KPA500? I have tried but I've had no success! > > I know that I can use the RF sensing capability of the KPA500, as that's > how I have it set up at the moment, but I am looking for a more elegant > solution. > > Thanks and 73 > > Stephen, G4SJP > > PS I have asked the same question on the Expert forum. > From k6dgw at foothill.net Wed Mar 20 13:24:41 2019 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 10:24:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY In-Reply-To: References: <002801d4deb8$25d43540$717c9fc0$@w2irt.net> <004e01d4dec0$1773d020$465b7060$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: "The more parts you pile into the rocket, the more likely it will end up pointy end down somewhere in the western desert." --NASA proverb from Apollo 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 3/19/2019 7:05 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > Well it's just me........I don't run any software to run another > software.? Thus no N1MM, no DX Lab, no Winwarbler, no Win4K2 and > such.? If I want to work RTTY the I use MMTTY.? If I want to work the > mode FT-8 or other digital modes,? then I run WSJT-X. ? If I want to > run PSK-31 or such, I use FLDIGI. ? If I want to work CW, I have a > Vibroplex on the desk and the keyer is in the radio. There is no other > hardware to be configured. > > I'm a firm believer that more software running means more issues to > resolve.? I keep mine simple, one at a time. > > Just simple old Bob with a system that works, day in and day out. > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Mar 20 13:30:27 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 10:30:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY In-Reply-To: References: <007001d4ded3$28175330$7845f990$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <08907019-9ae4-a86f-d5c5-870020f364dc@audiosystemsgroup.com> I use Winwarbler for all non-contesting RTTY (chasing DX), and I rarely use Commander. I use VOX to key the radio for SSB and all digital modes (I work RTTY and several WSJT modes). Indeed, I've never used hardware PTT. 73, Jim K9YC On 3/20/2019 5:49 AM, Richard Ferch wrote: > When you are using WinWarbler, all radio control functions are handled by > Commander. From jgrow at sympatico.ca Wed Mar 20 14:01:19 2019 From: jgrow at sympatico.ca (John Grow) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 14:01:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FOR SALE: K3 with options Message-ID: <3A78D943-4597-4C76-AEF2-DBB39CA3A540@sympatico.ca> Greetings fellow Elecraft users. I have the following K3 for sale. K3/100 - K3 100 Watt Transceiver - serial # 4236 + KAT3 - K3 ATU Modular Kit + KXV3A - Receive & transverter interface + KBPF3 - Band Pass Filter for General Coverage receive + KFL3A-500 - 500 Hz 8 pole filter + K3 Power supply cable Standard Manuals, K3 shipping box. K3-10F was upgraded to 100 Watts with ATU. Non-smoker owner, no pets, never used outdoors. Reason for sale: Too many radios. I?m open to reasonable offers. CONUS or Canada Only. Please email me for photos & information. John Grow VE2EQL jgrow at sympatico.ca From tim at goldenburg.com Wed Mar 20 14:30:31 2019 From: tim at goldenburg.com (Tim Goldenburg) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 13:30:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S/100 and P3 For Sale Message-ID: Selling an Elecraft K3S/100 and P3 with current firmware. It was purchased on 5/22/2018 built by me. Serial number 11623. I am selling it as I am now using a different radio. MH4 Hand Mic KAT3A ATU KTCX03-1 (TCXO 0.5ppm) KBPF3a (Gen coverage RX module) K144XV (Int 2m module) K144RFLK (reference lock for 2m) KFL3A-400 (400 Hz filter) KFL3A-2.8_2.7sw (2.8 kHz filter - swapped for the stock 2.7 kHz) KFL3A-6K (6 kHz AM/ESSB filter) KFL3B-FM (FM filter) P3/P3TXMON-K (P3 panadapter) DCHF-200 (P3 Coupler 200W Ma x) Elecraft K3S & P3 by Fred Cady book Original Manual Originally $5504.35, but am willing to sell it for $4500. if interested, please contact me. Pics here - https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/elecraft-k3s-100-and-p3.649039/#post-4988029 From kq6dv73 at gmail.com Wed Mar 20 16:39:38 2019 From: kq6dv73 at gmail.com (Tom Johnson) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 13:39:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K1 RF Board Prep for KAT1 Message-ID: <1553114378378-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Before I go cutting into the RF Board (Revision D, year 2000) and soldering resistors and capacitors together, I want to clarify my understanding. 1) Does "Solder capacitor RF-C76 across RF-R39.." mean that I leave RF-R39 soldered to the board and additionally solder the leads of RF-C76 onto the leads of RF-R39 on each side? 2) I do CUT the trace the right of "DRV" and install RF-R4 between the trace's contact points? 3) I'm at this point only through Part I of the RF Board assembly and alignment - I have already built the 4 Band Filter Board (KFL1-4, Revision B), and KAT1 Revision C. I'm assuming I do NOT prep the RF Board and install the KAT1 board until I've completed the assembly and alignments of the RF and Filter Boards? 73 -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From ws6x.ars at gmail.com Wed Mar 20 16:57:42 2019 From: ws6x.ars at gmail.com (Jim - WS6X) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 16:57:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility Macro Editor Message-ID: <000001d4df5f$90b3b2d0$b21b1870$@gmail.com> G'day, Can someone tell me where the K3 Utility Macro Editor saves its data files? Or what file type is used? I'm using Win 10. The help files don't seem to mention it, and an Internet search came up empty. I find the saved configuration files, and the K3 Frequency / Memory Editor saved data files, but am skunked on the saved macro files. Thanks, Jim - WS6X From k6xk at ncn.net Wed Mar 20 17:12:21 2019 From: k6xk at ncn.net (Roy Koeppe) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 16:12:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY In-Reply-To: References: <002801d4deb8$25d43540$717c9fc0$@w2irt.net><004e01d4dec0$1773d020$465b7060$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: "The more parts you pile into the rocket, the more likely it will end up pointy end down somewhere in the western desert." --NASA proverb from Apollo Or, "Simplicity is Ingenuity" Roy K6XK From KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Wed Mar 20 17:37:18 2019 From: KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 14:37:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY In-Reply-To: References: <002801d4deb8$25d43540$717c9fc0$@w2irt.net> <004e01d4dec0$1773d020$465b7060$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <8f28768d-080e-ef03-3695-e5d168ce32a1@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> LSMFT: Low Space means Fine Teletype On 3/20/2019 2:12 PM, Roy Koeppe wrote: > Or, "Simplicity is Ingenuity" > > Roy?? K6XK From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Mar 20 17:57:08 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 17:57:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 RF Board Prep for KAT1 In-Reply-To: <1553114378378-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1553114378378-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <64969f5f-224a-48ad-bff0-9154f5b1aa5e@embarqmail.com> Tom, As instructed in the KAT1 manual, refer to page 31 of your K1 manual and see if R39 is present. If not, add it. In either case, solder C76 across R39 - one capacitor lead to each resistor lead. Do the trace cut as shown in the diagram on page 8 - I can't describe it better than the pictures. Install R4 as shown in the diagram. You can make those RF Board changes at any time - except for removing the end of R36 - wait until you install the KAT1 for that part. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/20/2019 4:39 PM, Tom Johnson wrote: > Before I go cutting into the RF Board (Revision D, year 2000) and soldering > resistors and capacitors together, I want to clarify my understanding. > > 1) Does "Solder capacitor RF-C76 across RF-R39.." mean that I leave RF-R39 > soldered to the board and additionally solder the leads of RF-C76 onto the > leads of RF-R39 on each side? > > 2) I do CUT the trace the right of "DRV" and install RF-R4 between the > trace's contact points? > > 3) I'm at this point only through Part I of the RF Board assembly and > alignment - I have already built the 4 Band Filter Board (KFL1-4, Revision > B), and KAT1 Revision C. I'm assuming I do NOT prep the RF Board and > install the KAT1 board until I've completed the assembly and alignments of > the RF and Filter Boards? > From ab2cj at optonline.net Wed Mar 20 18:09:46 2019 From: ab2cj at optonline.net (ab2cj) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 18:09:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Filter Shape Factor Message-ID: <02aee5d2-024a-8ca1-d647-c9c117cff4e5@optonline.net> All: Where can one find filter shape factor specifications for Elecraft K3S filters? Thanks, Tony From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Mar 20 18:19:15 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 18:19:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Filter Shape Factor In-Reply-To: <02aee5d2-024a-8ca1-d647-c9c117cff4e5@optonline.net> References: <02aee5d2-024a-8ca1-d647-c9c117cff4e5@optonline.net> Message-ID: Tony, The filter shape factor is not stated, but there are filter plots on the Elecraft website. The filer shape factor for the roofing filters is not critical as it is in an analog receiver. In the K3/K3S, the final filter shape and shape factor is determined by the DSP filters which follow - the DSP filters have a very steep slope. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/20/2019 6:09 PM, ab2cj wrote: > All: > > Where can one find filter shape factor specifications for Elecraft K3S > filters? > From lists at w2irt.net Wed Mar 20 18:35:15 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 18:35:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY In-Reply-To: References: <007001d4ded3$28175330$7845f990$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <014201d4df6d$30a86a80$91f93f80$@w2irt.net> Hi Rich, I didn?t realize that the MAIN:MIC+LIN setting is disabled in data modes. Right now, with the radio in Data mode, AFSK-A, Mic Sel is set to LInE In, and Mic+LIN is flagged not APPL. Commander is running and interfaces perfectly with the radio. The RTTY sub-mode box is (and has been) set to AFSK. When I press the TX button in the General tab, or on the Commander application?s main interface the radio switches into transmit, and ditto RX with the RX button. Commander is working fine. I am not using any form of hardware PTT now. Everything is using just the USB port on the K3s. The issue is definitely within WinWarbler in my estimation. I posted this to a relevant thread on the DX Labs reflector, but the upshot is that WinWarbler is forcing the radio into LSB (voice) mode, and does not appear to even try to use DATA mode/AFSK-A within the K3s, and the TX/RX switching in RTTY mode doesn?t work. It DOES work in CW and SSB and both those send macros just fine. With WinWarbler shut down I can manually go select DATA mode on the K3s and it seems to receive fine (can?t test it out because there hasn?t been a real live RTTY signal all day). As soon as I bring WW back up, and select the RTTY mode radio button, the K3s drops into LSB mode. Something I just did notice now, however. On commander, in the mode selection box, if I hit RTTY, the K3s DOES go into AFSK-A RTTY mode, and the TX/RX buttons work (no tones sent, just asserting PTT and that?s it). On the General tab of the WinWarbler config panel I have selected RTTY Transceiver mode for RTTY operating mode but so far no joy. I?m guessing DATA-L and DATA-U are not for RTTY operation in that case. I will try shutting down DX Lab Suite, rebooting the PC, and see if that helps. - pjd From: Richard Ferch Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 8:49 AM To: Peter Dougherty Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY First, in Data modes, do *not* set MAIN:MIC+LIN to ON. As Joe has explained, you need to set MAIN:MIC+LIN to OFF and MAIN:MIC SEL to LINE. When you are using WinWarbler, all radio control functions are handled by Commander. Commander must be running, and must be interfaced with the radio. The RTTY sub-mode selector is on the General tab of Coimmander's Config window (upper right quadrant). If you don't see it, Commander is not communicating with the radio, and you need to correct that first. Unless you are using a hardware PTT method on a separate COM port from rig control, PTT is also handled by Commander (that is what the Xcvr Ctrl App setting in the WinWarbler configuration means). The PTT buttons on the main Commander window need to be working; if they don't switch the radio into and out of transmit, you need to fix that, otherwise WinWarbler will be unable to control PTT via Commander. 73, Rich VE3KI On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 12:12 AM Peter Dougherty > wrote: Hi Rich/all, Well I managed to find the thing that was really messing me up overall, but I'm still having massive RTTY issues. What had been happening was no AFSK tones for RTTY were getting through, and no voice files for SSB. The key (as I think you mentioned on the N1MM reflector) was the MENU: MIC+LIN setting on the K3s. Once I set that to ON I got voice files. But there's literally nothing I can do to get out of LSB voice mode when WinWarbler is in RTTY mode. Right now, on the RTTY tab, in the Modulation and Transceiver Mode section I have AFSK with the LSB button ticked. I've tried both RTTY mode and DATA-L, which Joe suggested. As I switch WinWarbler between CW, SSB, and RTTY, when I get to RTTY the radio is placed into LSB (voice) mode, not DATA-A, which is the desired result. There is no PTT either, the radio just stays in LSB receive.There is no RTTY SUB MODE setting on the General tab. I guess Dave removed it after your wrote the wiki; however I changed the DATA-L to RTTY. No change. Since the Elecraft portion of this setup has been solved (Mic+LIN), the rest is related to DX Labs, so I'm going to take this last bit of setup to their groups.io forum to conserve bandwidth on this reflector. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > On Behalf Of Richard Ferch Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:27 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY . 73, Rich VE3KI ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From ws6x.ars at gmail.com Wed Mar 20 18:55:30 2019 From: ws6x.ars at gmail.com (Jim - WS6X) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 18:55:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility Macro Editor Message-ID: <000701d4df70$05536670$0ffa3350$@gmail.com> Hello Again, Thanks to all who responded. I found the answer: The "SAVE" button in the K3 Utility Macro Editor writes directly to the Windows Registry. That was the ONE place I hadn't thought to look! BTW: The "Write to K3" button is an entirely different function, not the one I was seeking. 73, Jim - WS6X From lists at w2irt.net Wed Mar 20 19:08:53 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 19:08:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY In-Reply-To: References: <002801d4deb8$25d43540$717c9fc0$@w2irt.net> <004e01d4dec0$1773d020$465b7060$@w2irt.net> <008501d4dee1$3ddd05d0$b9971170$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <001c01d4df71$e3e98ee0$abbcaca0$@w2irt.net> Well a very, very small bit of progress. Using Commander?s main page, mode selection box, if I press RTTY then the K3s goes into the correct mode (AFSK-A, with the filters applied). I am able to decode cleanly, so RX is working fine. Still unable to go into transmit via DX Labs, however. As a reminder, CW and SSB macros both send find and TX/RX switching is good. It?s just RTTY (so far) that?s the problem. Even PSK-31 seems to be fine (not that I will ever use that mode). I think this is a config problem within WinWarbler at this point. I went through Fred?s awesome K3s/P3 manual and everything seems to be set correctly. - pjd From: Barry Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:26 AM To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY I don't know why setting up RTTY using AFSK and a K3s is yielding the level of problems it appears to be. It should be just another digital mode. The only difference should be is to set the radio to AFSK vice DATA A; Of course, you could just use DATA A, but you do want to narrow down the receive bandwidth. Layering the software as I do with N1MM + FLDIGI or WSJT-X with Ham Radio Deluxe does add additional complexity, So, I would suggest just using a simple one layer of software until the familiarity for it is developed and a level of comfort is built. I do like RTTY for contesting. FT8 is OK for DX, but when I get serious, less often these days, I use CW. My station is modest compared to many, just a K3s and some wire in the backyard; no amp, tower, rhombics, etc. I do have DXCC mixed, phone, CW, and am short 23 for digital and 21 on 80 for 5BDXCC. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Peter Dougherty" > To: "Barry" >; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 3/20/2019 1:53:27 AM Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY I?ve been using WinWarbler for RTTY for almost 10 years now, and it definitely works pretty well with the rest of Dave?s suite of software. Or at least it did with the original MK and later the MK-II. I still had some doozy problems setting it up even then. I documented everything back then so if I experienced a crash I could rebuild pretty quickly. But this is a wholesale change in which dozens of settings are now different. Again, once this is all settled I?ll have screenshot of each setting page so this will (hopefully) be a one-off?provided I keep the K3! RTTY is always the red-headed stepchild of radio setups for me, and the sooner it fades into oblivion as a digital mode the happier I?ll be. I have little love for FT8, but that?s where the DX is now! - pjd From: Barry > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 1:08 AM To: Peter Dougherty >; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY Peter, For a simple uncomplicated set up, the software choice is whatever you are familiar with, but the GENERAL set up should be the same. I use FLDIGI for two reasons, I know it and it interfaces with N1MM for contesting. I doubt it works better or worse than most of the others. With software there are no interfaces needed if you are using a K3s making set up easier. Like I said earlier, it's just a matter of letting your software know what sound card you are using, the USB CODEC, and the com port of the radio. The rest is pretty much twisting the knobs on the radio to set levels. You should loose no sleep over this; it's make you tired and mistake prone. Only one thing I forgot to tell you and that is turn your VOX on so the tones turn your transmitter on automatically and off when you're finished sending. I just looked up Winwarbler. It says it can be used for RTTY, but you need either a multimode modem or some additional software and then they must all play together. I really suggest not using Winwarbler if I am correct; it will add an additional level of complexity. Use FLDIGI. MixW, MultiPSK, or another complete S/W application. The setup should be more straight forward. If you want, I can talk you through it via LL phone. It really shouldn't take more than about 30-45 minutes to make it all play. Contact me directly and I'll give you my phone number. But, I don't function before about noon EDT. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Peter Dougherty" > To: "Barry" >; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 3/19/2019 9:56:10 PM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to get it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned it in my initial post. Adding more software that I don?t (and will never) understand is the very last thing I want to do unless there is no way around it. When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY filtering came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and it worked with almost no configuration. I would like to have something similar using AFSK and USB connectivity?specifically the twin-peak brick-wall filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY mode in WinWarbler just puts the radio into LSB mode and that?s it. Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it?s compatible. I?ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I?m almost no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just won?t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it isn?t that hard to do?.yet here we are! - pjd From: Barry > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM To: Peter Dougherty >; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY Peter, I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when using RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use the AFSK mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The set up should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the radio's built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI just because. The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data mode as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the output of some digital software into the radio and use any available bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a filter for each tone. I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-) As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of trouble. Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using the USB connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio in and out. Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker out. The radio will reflect a com port that will be used for control, use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic control on the front of the radio to set the level for the transmitter such that ALC will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The power level should be set with the knob that controls power. This should be how you set up for FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun! 73, Barry K3NDM . ------ Original Message ------ From: "Peter Dougherty" > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I should set my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler exclusively (I don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). I have the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I had a MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt I'll be doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just in case. Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for RTTY, just LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built into the K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only using data mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the radio using Data mode for FT8. Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the right settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as always. ---------------------------------------------------- Regards, Peter Dougherty ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From n6tv at arrl.net Wed Mar 20 19:17:24 2019 From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 16:17:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Pair of K3 in master-slave mode In-Reply-To: <63921106-ae71-133e-ea84-c7d2a520c848@gmail.com> References: <749e820f-ae0b-395c-0cb5-51663078fd28@embarqmail.com> <63921106-ae71-133e-ea84-c7d2a520c848@gmail.com> Message-ID: In theory (I have not tried it), one could send an AI2; command to the Master K3, to enable "AUTO INFO mode 2," then connect the two K3s to each other using a male-to-male null-modem cable (pins 2 and 3 crossed). Then the Slave K3 should track the Master K3. To get a logging program working on Master, you may want to use a K3S (or K3 with KIO3B upgrade), using the USB port used for the logger control, and connect the RJ45 to DE9 "pigtail" to the Slave via a "one-way" null-modem cable. Pin 2 on the pigtail (Master) would be connected to Pin 3 on the Slave. Pin 5 (GND) would be connected straight through. Do not connect Pin 2 on the Slave to Pin 3 on the Master, so the communication is only one way: Master to Slave. Note: AI2; mode doesn't output every movement of the VFO knobs. It only sends the new frequency to the other radio when you stop turning the knob, so the slave tracking would not be instantaneous; there would be a delay. Another option would be to try the experimental "Tracking" feature of a microHAM MK2R+ (firmware 7.5 or later). 73, Bob, N6TV On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 11:37 AM Igor Sokolov wrote: > I wonder if somebody knows of an easy way to make a pair of K3 (both > with subRX) work in master-slave mode. In other words I want to tune one > K3 and want the second K3 follow. The idea is to have 4 antennas > connected to 4 receivers so that 4 directions can be monitored > simultaneously in contests so polling from a contest logger is also in > the mix. If possible, a hardware solution would be the best but software > solution is also OK. > > 73, Igor UA9CDC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From n6tv at arrl.net Wed Mar 20 19:31:35 2019 From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 16:31:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote On/Off KPA-1500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 7:39 PM Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: > what are the diferent ways to turn KPA1500?s on/off remotely? > > Is there any way to turn it on/off alone, with no need to turn on/off the > K3? > Yes. There are at least three methods to power the KPA1500 ON/OF independently without using the REM jack on the back of KPA1500, assuming you leave the rocker switch on the back of the separate KPA1500 power supply in the ON position: 1. Connect the KPA1500 to a PC via USB cable. Use the KPA1500 Utility (running on a local PC) to power the amp. on and off. The KPA1500 Remote Software also has this capability. -or- 2. Momentarily ground Pin 8 of the KPA1500 AUX connector. This is easily accomplished using an S-BOX or S-BOX-USB and a simple program to pulse the DTR or RTS pin of a real or virtual serial port, or you can build an equivalent circuit using a resistor and NPN transistor (same technique that is used by RemoteHams software to power up a K3 remotely with no RemoteRig box required). A KPAK3AUX cable cannot be used (no connection on Pin 8). 3. Use a Y-BOX v2.1 which can connect DIGOUT 1 (Pin 11) to the amplifier PIn 8, and a K3 Macro, as described in detail here . For example i want to turn on K3, but want to have KPA1500 off, is there > any way to do that? > Yes. See above. 73, Bob, N6TV From barrylazar2 at gmail.com Wed Mar 20 22:10:24 2019 From: barrylazar2 at gmail.com (Barry) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 02:10:24 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY In-Reply-To: <001c01d4df71$e3e98ee0$abbcaca0$@w2irt.net> References: <002801d4deb8$25d43540$717c9fc0$@w2irt.net> <004e01d4dec0$1773d020$465b7060$@w2irt.net> <008501d4dee1$3ddd05d0$b9971170$@w2irt.net> <001c01d4df71$e3e98ee0$abbcaca0$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: Hmmmm. Interesting. The first thing that comes to mind is that your tones are not getting to the radio. Check to see that you are directing your tones to the radio's built in sound card. You should be going out on USB CODEC SPEAKER. Next turn you VOX on. If you are sending tones, the VOX will turn your radio to transmit. So, if you were planning to use the CAT function for PTT, this will allow you to transmit regardless of a correct set up for the PTT, or not. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Peter Dougherty" To: "Barry" ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 3/20/2019 7:08:53 PM Subject: RE: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY. >Well a very, very small bit of progress. Using Commander?s main page, >mode selection box, if I press RTTY then the K3s goes into the correct >mode (AFSK-A, with the filters applied). I am able to decode cleanly, >so RX is working fine. > >Still unable to go into transmit via DX Labs, however. As a reminder, >CW and SSB macros both send find and TX/RX switching is good. It?s just >RTTY (so far) that?s the problem. Even PSK-31 seems to be fine (not >that I will ever use that mode). > >I think this is a config problem within WinWarbler at this point. I >went through Fred?s awesome K3s/P3 manual and everything seems to be >set correctly. > > >- pjd > > > >From: Barry >Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:26 AM >To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY > > > >I don't know why setting up RTTY using AFSK and a K3s is yielding the >level of problems it appears to be. It should be just another digital >mode. The only difference should be is to set the radio to AFSK vice >DATA A; Of course, you could just use DATA A, but you do want to narrow >down the receive bandwidth. > > > >Layering the software as I do with N1MM + FLDIGI or WSJT-X with Ham >Radio Deluxe does add additional complexity, So, I would suggest just >using a simple one layer of software until the familiarity for it is >developed and a level of comfort is built. > > > >I do like RTTY for contesting. FT8 is OK for DX, but when I get >serious, less often these days, I use CW. My station is modest compared >to many, just a K3s and some wire in the backyard; no amp, tower, >rhombics, etc. I do have DXCC mixed, phone, CW, and am short 23 for >digital and 21 on 80 for 5BDXCC. > > > >73, > >Barry > >K3NDM > > > >------ Original Message ------ > >From: "Peter Dougherty" > >To: "Barry" ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >Sent: 3/20/2019 1:53:27 AM > >Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY > > > >>I?ve been using WinWarbler for RTTY for almost 10 years now, and it >>definitely works pretty well with the rest of Dave?s suite of >>software. Or at least it did with the original MK and later the MK-II. >>I still had some doozy problems setting it up even then. I documented >>everything back then so if I experienced a crash I could rebuild >>pretty quickly. But this is a wholesale change in which dozens of >>settings are now different. Again, once this is all settled I?ll have >>screenshot of each setting page so this will (hopefully) be a >>one-off?provided I keep the K3! >> >>RTTY is always the red-headed stepchild of radio setups for me, and >>the sooner it fades into oblivion as a digital mode the happier I?ll >>be. I have little love for FT8, but that?s where the DX is now! >> >> >> >>- pjd >> >> >> >>From: Barry >>Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 1:08 AM >>To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>Subject: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >> >> >> >>Peter, >> >> For a simple uncomplicated set up, the software choice is whatever >>you are familiar with, but the GENERAL set up should be the same. I >>use FLDIGI for two reasons, I know it and it interfaces with N1MM for >>contesting. I doubt it works better or worse than most of the others. >>With software there are no interfaces needed if you are using a K3s >>making set up easier. Like I said earlier, it's just a matter of >>letting your software know what sound card you are using, the USB >>CODEC, and the com port of the radio. The rest is pretty much twisting >>the knobs on the radio to set levels. You should loose no sleep over >>this; it's make you tired and mistake prone. Only one thing I forgot >>to tell you and that is turn your VOX on so the tones turn your >>transmitter on automatically and off when you're finished sending. >> >> >> >> I just looked up Winwarbler. It says it can be used for RTTY, but >>you need either a multimode modem or some additional software and then >>they must all play together. I really suggest not using Winwarbler if >>I am correct; it will add an additional level of complexity. Use >>FLDIGI. MixW, MultiPSK, or another complete S/W application. The setup >>should be more straight forward. >> >> >> >> If you want, I can talk you through it via LL phone. It really >>shouldn't take more than about 30-45 minutes to make it all play. >>Contact me directly and I'll give you my phone number. But, I don't >>function before about noon EDT. >> >> >> >>73, >> >>Barry >> >>K3NDM >> >> >> >>------ Original Message ------ >> >>From: "Peter Dougherty" >> >>To: "Barry" ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >>Sent: 3/19/2019 9:56:10 PM >> >>Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >> >> >> >>>Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to >>>get it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I >>>mentioned it in my initial post. Adding more software that I don?t >>>(and will never) understand is the very last thing I want to do >>>unless there is no way around it. >>> >>>When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY >>>filtering came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and >>>it worked with almost no configuration. I would like to have >>>something similar using AFSK and USB connectivity?specifically the >>>twin-peak brick-wall filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY >>>mode in WinWarbler just puts the radio into LSB mode and that?s it. >>> >>>Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it?s >>>compatible. I?ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 >>>nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I?m >>>almost no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via >>>WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just >>>won?t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it >>>isn?t that hard to do?.yet here we are! >>> >>> >>> >>>- pjd >>> >>> >>> >>>From: Barry >>>Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM >>>To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>> >>> >>> >>>Peter, >>> >>> I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when >>>using RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use >>>the AFSK mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The >>>set up should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the >>>radio's built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI >>>just because. >>> >>> >>> >>> The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage >>>over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data >>>mode as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the >>>output of some digital software into the radio and use any available >>>bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has >>>a filter for each tone. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would >>>estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-) >>> >>> >>> >>> As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of >>>trouble. Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using >>>the USB connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio >>>in and out. Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and >>>speaker out. The radio will reflect a com port that will be used for >>>control, use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic >>>control on the front of the radio to set the level for the >>>transmitter such that ALC will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The >>>power level should be set with the knob that controls power. This >>>should be how you set up for FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is >>>set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun! >>> >>> >>> >>>73, >>> >>>Barry >>> >>>K3NDM >>> >>>. >>> >>>------ Original Message ------ >>> >>>From: "Peter Dougherty" >>> >>>To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>>Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM >>> >>>Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>> >>> >>> >>>>I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I >>>>should set >>>> >>>>my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler >>>>exclusively (I >>>> >>>>don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). I >>>>have >>>> >>>>the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I had >>>>a >>>> >>>>MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt >>>>I'll be >>>> >>>>doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just >>>>in case. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for >>>>RTTY, just >>>> >>>>LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built >>>>into the >>>> >>>>K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only using >>>>data >>>> >>>>mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the >>>>radio >>>> >>>>using Data mode for FT8. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the >>>>right >>>> >>>>settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as >>>>always. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>---------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>> >>>>Peter Dougherty >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>______________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>>Elecraft mailing list >>>> >>>>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> >>>>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> >>>>Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> >>>>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> From lists at w2irt.net Wed Mar 20 22:18:37 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 22:18:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY In-Reply-To: References: <002801d4deb8$25d43540$717c9fc0$@w2irt.net> <004e01d4dec0$1773d020$465b7060$@w2irt.net> <008501d4dee1$3ddd05d0$b9971170$@w2irt.net> <001c01d4df71$e3e98ee0$abbcaca0$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <00b701d4df8c$650c7e00$2f257a00$@w2irt.net> VOX is engaged, the correct codec is selected, but nothing puts the radio in PTT mode. It?s using the same codec as it does when sending voice keying files, which transmit just fine. The radio is not switching into transmit. What?s even more worrisome is how WinWarbler is not putting the K3s into AFSK-A mode. It is forcing it into LSB, regardless of what?s set up in the configurator. - pjd From: Barry Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 10:10 PM To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re[6]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY Hmmmm. Interesting. The first thing that comes to mind is that your tones are not getting to the radio. Check to see that you are directing your tones to the radio's built in sound card. You should be going out on USB CODEC SPEAKER. Next turn you VOX on. If you are sending tones, the VOX will turn your radio to transmit. So, if you were planning to use the CAT function for PTT, this will allow you to transmit regardless of a correct set up for the PTT, or not. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Peter Dougherty" > To: "Barry" >; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 3/20/2019 7:08:53 PM Subject: RE: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY. Well a very, very small bit of progress. Using Commander?s main page, mode selection box, if I press RTTY then the K3s goes into the correct mode (AFSK-A, with the filters applied). I am able to decode cleanly, so RX is working fine. Still unable to go into transmit via DX Labs, however. As a reminder, CW and SSB macros both send find and TX/RX switching is good. It?s just RTTY (so far) that?s the problem. Even PSK-31 seems to be fine (not that I will ever use that mode). I think this is a config problem within WinWarbler at this point. I went through Fred?s awesome K3s/P3 manual and everything seems to be set correctly. - pjd From: Barry > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:26 AM To: Peter Dougherty >; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY I don't know why setting up RTTY using AFSK and a K3s is yielding the level of problems it appears to be. It should be just another digital mode. The only difference should be is to set the radio to AFSK vice DATA A; Of course, you could just use DATA A, but you do want to narrow down the receive bandwidth. Layering the software as I do with N1MM + FLDIGI or WSJT-X with Ham Radio Deluxe does add additional complexity, So, I would suggest just using a simple one layer of software until the familiarity for it is developed and a level of comfort is built. I do like RTTY for contesting. FT8 is OK for DX, but when I get serious, less often these days, I use CW. My station is modest compared to many, just a K3s and some wire in the backyard; no amp, tower, rhombics, etc. I do have DXCC mixed, phone, CW, and am short 23 for digital and 21 on 80 for 5BDXCC. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Peter Dougherty" > To: "Barry" >; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 3/20/2019 1:53:27 AM Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY I?ve been using WinWarbler for RTTY for almost 10 years now, and it definitely works pretty well with the rest of Dave?s suite of software. Or at least it did with the original MK and later the MK-II. I still had some doozy problems setting it up even then. I documented everything back then so if I experienced a crash I could rebuild pretty quickly. But this is a wholesale change in which dozens of settings are now different. Again, once this is all settled I?ll have screenshot of each setting page so this will (hopefully) be a one-off?provided I keep the K3! RTTY is always the red-headed stepchild of radio setups for me, and the sooner it fades into oblivion as a digital mode the happier I?ll be. I have little love for FT8, but that?s where the DX is now! - pjd From: Barry > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 1:08 AM To: Peter Dougherty >; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY Peter, For a simple uncomplicated set up, the software choice is whatever you are familiar with, but the GENERAL set up should be the same. I use FLDIGI for two reasons, I know it and it interfaces with N1MM for contesting. I doubt it works better or worse than most of the others. With software there are no interfaces needed if you are using a K3s making set up easier. Like I said earlier, it's just a matter of letting your software know what sound card you are using, the USB CODEC, and the com port of the radio. The rest is pretty much twisting the knobs on the radio to set levels. You should loose no sleep over this; it's make you tired and mistake prone. Only one thing I forgot to tell you and that is turn your VOX on so the tones turn your transmitter on automatically and off when you're finished sending. I just looked up Winwarbler. It says it can be used for RTTY, but you need either a multimode modem or some additional software and then they must all play together. I really suggest not using Winwarbler if I am correct; it will add an additional level of complexity. Use FLDIGI. MixW, MultiPSK, or another complete S/W application. The setup should be more straight forward. If you want, I can talk you through it via LL phone. It really shouldn't take more than about 30-45 minutes to make it all play. Contact me directly and I'll give you my phone number. But, I don't function before about noon EDT. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Peter Dougherty" > To: "Barry" >; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 3/19/2019 9:56:10 PM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to get it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned it in my initial post. Adding more software that I don?t (and will never) understand is the very last thing I want to do unless there is no way around it. When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY filtering came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and it worked with almost no configuration. I would like to have something similar using AFSK and USB connectivity?specifically the twin-peak brick-wall filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY mode in WinWarbler just puts the radio into LSB mode and that?s it. Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it?s compatible. I?ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I?m almost no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just won?t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it isn?t that hard to do?.yet here we are! - pjd From: Barry > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM To: Peter Dougherty >; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY Peter, I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when using RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use the AFSK mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The set up should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the radio's built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI just because. The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data mode as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the output of some digital software into the radio and use any available bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a filter for each tone. I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-) As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of trouble. Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using the USB connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio in and out. Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker out. The radio will reflect a com port that will be used for control, use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic control on the front of the radio to set the level for the transmitter such that ALC will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The power level should be set with the knob that controls power. This should be how you set up for FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun! 73, Barry K3NDM . ------ Original Message ------ From: "Peter Dougherty" > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I should set my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler exclusively (I don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). I have the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I had a MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt I'll be doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just in case. Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for RTTY, just LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built into the K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only using data mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the radio using Data mode for FT8. Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the right settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as always. ---------------------------------------------------- Regards, Peter Dougherty ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From barrylazar2 at gmail.com Wed Mar 20 22:29:40 2019 From: barrylazar2 at gmail.com (Barry) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 02:29:40 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY In-Reply-To: <00b701d4df8c$650c7e00$2f257a00$@w2irt.net> References: <002801d4deb8$25d43540$717c9fc0$@w2irt.net> <004e01d4dec0$1773d020$465b7060$@w2irt.net> <008501d4dee1$3ddd05d0$b9971170$@w2irt.net> <001c01d4df71$e3e98ee0$abbcaca0$@w2irt.net> <00b701d4df8c$650c7e00$2f257a00$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: Try one more thing. Go into menu and increase the VOX gain, but before you do that turn up the mic gain; this is actually line in level at this point. I'm suspecting that you might be operating with too low a level going in to the radio or VOX gain is too low. I sure hope this is the fix, 'cuz I've run out of ideas at the moment. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Peter Dougherty" To: "Barry" ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 3/20/2019 10:18:37 PM Subject: RE: Re[6]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >VOX is engaged, the correct codec is selected, but nothing puts the >radio in PTT mode. It?s using the same codec as it does when sending >voice keying files, which transmit just fine. The radio is not >switching into transmit. > >What?s even more worrisome is how WinWarbler is not putting the K3s >into AFSK-A mode. It is forcing it into LSB, regardless of what?s set >up in the configurator. > > > >- pjd > > > >From: Barry >Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 10:10 PM >To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re[6]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY > > > >Hmmmm. Interesting. The first thing that comes to mind is that your >tones are not getting to the radio. Check to see that you are directing >your tones to the radio's built in sound card. You should be going out >on USB CODEC SPEAKER. Next turn you VOX on. If you are sending tones, >the VOX will turn your radio to transmit. So, if you were planning to >use the CAT function for PTT, this will allow you to transmit >regardless of a correct set up for the PTT, or not. > > > >73, > >Barry > >K3NDM > > > >------ Original Message ------ > >From: "Peter Dougherty" > >To: "Barry" ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >Sent: 3/20/2019 7:08:53 PM > >Subject: RE: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY. > > > >>Well a very, very small bit of progress. Using Commander?s main page, >>mode selection box, if I press RTTY then the K3s goes into the correct >>mode (AFSK-A, with the filters applied). I am able to decode cleanly, >>so RX is working fine. >> >>Still unable to go into transmit via DX Labs, however. As a reminder, >>CW and SSB macros both send find and TX/RX switching is good. It?s >>just RTTY (so far) that?s the problem. Even PSK-31 seems to be fine >>(not that I will ever use that mode). >> >>I think this is a config problem within WinWarbler at this point. I >>went through Fred?s awesome K3s/P3 manual and everything seems to be >>set correctly. >> >>- pjd >> >> >> >>From: Barry >>Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:26 AM >>To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>Subject: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >> >> >> >>I don't know why setting up RTTY using AFSK and a K3s is yielding the >>level of problems it appears to be. It should be just another digital >>mode. The only difference should be is to set the radio to AFSK vice >>DATA A; Of course, you could just use DATA A, but you do want to >>narrow down the receive bandwidth. >> >> >> >>Layering the software as I do with N1MM + FLDIGI or WSJT-X with Ham >>Radio Deluxe does add additional complexity, So, I would suggest just >>using a simple one layer of software until the familiarity for it is >>developed and a level of comfort is built. >> >> >> >>I do like RTTY for contesting. FT8 is OK for DX, but when I get >>serious, less often these days, I use CW. My station is modest >>compared to many, just a K3s and some wire in the backyard; no amp, >>tower, rhombics, etc. I do have DXCC mixed, phone, CW, and am short 23 >>for digital and 21 on 80 for 5BDXCC. >> >> >> >>73, >> >>Barry >> >>K3NDM >> >> >> >>------ Original Message ------ >> >>From: "Peter Dougherty" >> >>To: "Barry" ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >>Sent: 3/20/2019 1:53:27 AM >> >>Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >> >> >> >>>I?ve been using WinWarbler for RTTY for almost 10 years now, and it >>>definitely works pretty well with the rest of Dave?s suite of >>>software. Or at least it did with the original MK and later the >>>MK-II. I still had some doozy problems setting it up even then. I >>>documented everything back then so if I experienced a crash I could >>>rebuild pretty quickly. But this is a wholesale change in which >>>dozens of settings are now different. Again, once this is all settled >>>I?ll have screenshot of each setting page so this will (hopefully) be >>>a one-off?provided I keep the K3! >>> >>>RTTY is always the red-headed stepchild of radio setups for me, and >>>the sooner it fades into oblivion as a digital mode the happier I?ll >>>be. I have little love for FT8, but that?s where the DX is now! >>> >>> >>>- pjd >>> >>> >>> >>>From: Barry >>>Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 1:08 AM >>>To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>Subject: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>> >>> >>> >>>Peter, >>> >>> For a simple uncomplicated set up, the software choice is >>>whatever you are familiar with, but the GENERAL set up should be the >>>same. I use FLDIGI for two reasons, I know it and it interfaces with >>>N1MM for contesting. I doubt it works better or worse than most of >>>the others. With software there are no interfaces needed if you are >>>using a K3s making set up easier. Like I said earlier, it's just a >>>matter of letting your software know what sound card you are using, >>>the USB CODEC, and the com port of the radio. The rest is pretty much >>>twisting the knobs on the radio to set levels. You should loose no >>>sleep over this; it's make you tired and mistake prone. Only one >>>thing I forgot to tell you and that is turn your VOX on so the tones >>>turn your transmitter on automatically and off when you're finished >>>sending. >>> >>> >>> >>> I just looked up Winwarbler. It says it can be used for RTTY, but >>>you need either a multimode modem or some additional software and >>>then they must all play together. I really suggest not using >>>Winwarbler if I am correct; it will add an additional level of >>>complexity. Use FLDIGI. MixW, MultiPSK, or another complete S/W >>>application. The setup should be more straight forward. >>> >>> >>> >>> If you want, I can talk you through it via LL phone. It really >>>shouldn't take more than about 30-45 minutes to make it all play. >>>Contact me directly and I'll give you my phone number. But, I don't >>>function before about noon EDT. >>> >>> >>> >>>73, >>> >>>Barry >>> >>>K3NDM >>> >>> >>> >>>------ Original Message ------ >>> >>>From: "Peter Dougherty" >>> >>>To: "Barry" ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>>Sent: 3/19/2019 9:56:10 PM >>> >>>Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>> >>> >>> >>>>Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to >>>>get it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I >>>>mentioned it in my initial post. Adding more software that I don?t >>>>(and will never) understand is the very last thing I want to do >>>>unless there is no way around it. >>>> >>>>When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY >>>>filtering came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) >>>>and it worked with almost no configuration. I would like to have >>>>something similar using AFSK and USB connectivity?specifically the >>>>twin-peak brick-wall filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY >>>>mode in WinWarbler just puts the radio into LSB mode and that?s it. >>>> >>>>Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it?s >>>>compatible. I?ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 >>>>nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I?m >>>>almost no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW >>>>via WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone >>>>just won?t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that >>>>it isn?t that hard to do?.yet here we are! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>- pjd >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>From: Barry >>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM >>>>To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Peter, >>>> >>>> I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when >>>>using RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use >>>>the AFSK mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. >>>>The set up should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using >>>>the radio's built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer >>>>FLDIGI just because. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage >>>>over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data >>>>mode as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed >>>>the output of some digital software into the radio and use any >>>>available bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and >>>>compressor. AFSK has a filter for each tone. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would >>>>estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of >>>>trouble. Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using >>>>the USB connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio >>>>in and out. Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and >>>>speaker out. The radio will reflect a com port that will be used for >>>>control, use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic >>>>control on the front of the radio to set the level for the >>>>transmitter such that ALC will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The >>>>power level should be set with the knob that controls power. This >>>>should be how you set up for FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is >>>>set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>73, >>>> >>>>Barry >>>> >>>>K3NDM >>>> >>>>. >>>> >>>>------ Original Message ------ >>>> >>>>From: "Peter Dougherty" >>>> >>>>To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>>Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM >>>> >>>>Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I >>>>>should set >>>>> >>>>>my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler >>>>>exclusively (I >>>>> >>>>>don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). >>>>>I have >>>>> >>>>>the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I >>>>>had a >>>>> >>>>>MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt >>>>>I'll be >>>>> >>>>>doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just >>>>>in case. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for >>>>>RTTY, just >>>>> >>>>>LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built >>>>>into the >>>>> >>>>>K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only >>>>>using data >>>>> >>>>>mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the >>>>>radio >>>>> >>>>>using Data mode for FT8. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the >>>>>right >>>>> >>>>>settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as >>>>>always. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>---------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Regards, >>>>> >>>>>Peter Dougherty >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>______________________________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>Elecraft mailing list >>>>> >>>>>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> >>>>>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> >>>>>Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> >>>>>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> From zlipecki at gmail.com Wed Mar 20 22:38:11 2019 From: zlipecki at gmail.com (Zbigniew Lipecki) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 19:38:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA100 for sale Message-ID: Hi, All The kpa100 has been sold Thanks to All. Zbigniew, 73 From rmcgraw at blomand.net Wed Mar 20 23:16:34 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 22:16:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY In-Reply-To: References: <002801d4deb8$25d43540$717c9fc0$@w2irt.net> <004e01d4dec0$1773d020$465b7060$@w2irt.net> <008501d4dee1$3ddd05d0$b9971170$@w2irt.net> <001c01d4df71$e3e98ee0$abbcaca0$@w2irt.net> <00b701d4df8c$650c7e00$2f257a00$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <542BDF98-6BE0-43D4-9295-CF679EDDB3A6@blomand.net> I suggest getting each basic application running correct before moving to the next application. When each will run correct then and only bring in the integration application. CAT control should not need the VOX activated. Using VOX is just another audio level and delay that has to be correctly adjusted. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 20, 2019, at 9:29 PM, Barry wrote: > > Try one more thing. Go into menu and increase the VOX gain, but before you do that turn up the mic gain; this is actually line in level at this point. I'm suspecting that you might be operating with too low a level going in to the radio or VOX gain is too low. I sure hope this is the fix, 'cuz I've run out of ideas at the moment. > > 73, > Barry > K3NDM > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Peter Dougherty" > To: "Barry" ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: 3/20/2019 10:18:37 PM > Subject: RE: Re[6]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY > >> VOX is engaged, the correct codec is selected, but nothing puts the radio in PTT mode. It?s using the same codec as it does when sending voice keying files, which transmit just fine. The radio is not switching into transmit. >> >> What?s even more worrisome is how WinWarbler is not putting the K3s into AFSK-A mode. It is forcing it into LSB, regardless of what?s set up in the configurator. >> >> >> >> - pjd >> >> >> >> From: Barry >> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 10:10 PM >> To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re[6]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >> >> >> >> Hmmmm. Interesting. The first thing that comes to mind is that your tones are not getting to the radio. Check to see that you are directing your tones to the radio's built in sound card. You should be going out on USB CODEC SPEAKER. Next turn you VOX on. If you are sending tones, the VOX will turn your radio to transmit. So, if you were planning to use the CAT function for PTT, this will allow you to transmit regardless of a correct set up for the PTT, or not. >> >> >> >> 73, >> >> Barry >> >> K3NDM >> >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> >> From: "Peter Dougherty" >> >> To: "Barry" ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> Sent: 3/20/2019 7:08:53 PM >> >> Subject: RE: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY. >> >> >> >>> Well a very, very small bit of progress. Using Commander?s main page, mode selection box, if I press RTTY then the K3s goes into the correct mode (AFSK-A, with the filters applied). I am able to decode cleanly, so RX is working fine. >>> >>> Still unable to go into transmit via DX Labs, however. As a reminder, CW and SSB macros both send find and TX/RX switching is good. It?s just RTTY (so far) that?s the problem. Even PSK-31 seems to be fine (not that I will ever use that mode). >>> >>> I think this is a config problem within WinWarbler at this point. I went through Fred?s awesome K3s/P3 manual and everything seems to be set correctly. >>> >>> - pjd >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Barry >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:26 AM >>> To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>> >>> >>> >>> I don't know why setting up RTTY using AFSK and a K3s is yielding the level of problems it appears to be. It should be just another digital mode. The only difference should be is to set the radio to AFSK vice DATA A; Of course, you could just use DATA A, but you do want to narrow down the receive bandwidth. >>> >>> >>> >>> Layering the software as I do with N1MM + FLDIGI or WSJT-X with Ham Radio Deluxe does add additional complexity, So, I would suggest just using a simple one layer of software until the familiarity for it is developed and a level of comfort is built. >>> >>> >>> >>> I do like RTTY for contesting. FT8 is OK for DX, but when I get serious, less often these days, I use CW. My station is modest compared to many, just a K3s and some wire in the backyard; no amp, tower, rhombics, etc. I do have DXCC mixed, phone, CW, and am short 23 for digital and 21 on 80 for 5BDXCC. >>> >>> >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Barry >>> >>> K3NDM >>> >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> >>> From: "Peter Dougherty" >>> >>> To: "Barry" ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> Sent: 3/20/2019 1:53:27 AM >>> >>> Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>> >>> >>> >>>> I?ve been using WinWarbler for RTTY for almost 10 years now, and it definitely works pretty well with the rest of Dave?s suite of software. Or at least it did with the original MK and later the MK-II. I still had some doozy problems setting it up even then. I documented everything back then so if I experienced a crash I could rebuild pretty quickly. But this is a wholesale change in which dozens of settings are now different. Again, once this is all settled I?ll have screenshot of each setting page so this will (hopefully) be a one-off?provided I keep the K3! >>>> >>>> RTTY is always the red-headed stepchild of radio setups for me, and the sooner it fades into oblivion as a digital mode the happier I?ll be. I have little love for FT8, but that?s where the DX is now! >>>> >>>> >>>> - pjd >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Barry >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 1:08 AM >>>> To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Subject: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Peter, >>>> >>>> For a simple uncomplicated set up, the software choice is whatever you are familiar with, but the GENERAL set up should be the same. I use FLDIGI for two reasons, I know it and it interfaces with N1MM for contesting. I doubt it works better or worse than most of the others. With software there are no interfaces needed if you are using a K3s making set up easier. Like I said earlier, it's just a matter of letting your software know what sound card you are using, the USB CODEC, and the com port of the radio. The rest is pretty much twisting the knobs on the radio to set levels. You should loose no sleep over this; it's make you tired and mistake prone. Only one thing I forgot to tell you and that is turn your VOX on so the tones turn your transmitter on automatically and off when you're finished sending. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I just looked up Winwarbler. It says it can be used for RTTY, but you need either a multimode modem or some additional software and then they must all play together. I really suggest not using Winwarbler if I am correct; it will add an additional level of complexity. Use FLDIGI. MixW, MultiPSK, or another complete S/W application. The setup should be more straight forward. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If you want, I can talk you through it via LL phone. It really shouldn't take more than about 30-45 minutes to make it all play. Contact me directly and I'll give you my phone number. But, I don't function before about noon EDT. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> Barry >>>> >>>> K3NDM >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> >>>> From: "Peter Dougherty" >>>> >>>> To: "Barry" ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> Sent: 3/19/2019 9:56:10 PM >>>> >>>> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to get it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned it in my initial post. Adding more software that I don?t (and will never) understand is the very last thing I want to do unless there is no way around it. >>>>> >>>>> When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY filtering came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and it worked with almost no configuration. I would like to have something similar using AFSK and USB connectivity?specifically the twin-peak brick-wall filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY mode in WinWarbler just puts the radio into LSB mode and that?s it. >>>>> >>>>> Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it?s compatible. I?ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I?m almost no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just won?t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it isn?t that hard to do?.yet here we are! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - pjd >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Barry >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM >>>>> To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Peter, >>>>> >>>>> I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when using RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use the AFSK mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The set up should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the radio's built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI just because. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data mode as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the output of some digital software into the radio and use any available bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a filter for each tone. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of trouble. Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using the USB connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio in and out. Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker out. The radio will reflect a com port that will be used for control, use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic control on the front of the radio to set the level for the transmitter such that ALC will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The power level should be set with the knob that controls power. This should be how you set up for FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 73, >>>>> >>>>> Barry >>>>> >>>>> K3NDM >>>>> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>> >>>>> From: "Peter Dougherty" >>>>> >>>>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM >>>>> >>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I should set >>>>>> >>>>>> my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler exclusively (I >>>>>> >>>>>> don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). I have >>>>>> >>>>>> the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I had a >>>>>> >>>>>> MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt I'll be >>>>>> >>>>>> doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just in case. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for RTTY, just >>>>>> >>>>>> LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built into the >>>>>> >>>>>> K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only using data >>>>>> >>>>>> mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the radio >>>>>> >>>>>> using Data mode for FT8. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the right >>>>>> >>>>>> settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as always. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Peter Dougherty >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>>> >>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>>> >>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>>> >>>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>>> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From k7voradio at gmail.com Wed Mar 20 23:34:15 2019 From: k7voradio at gmail.com (Robert Sands) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 20:34:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Filter Shape Factor In-Reply-To: References: <02aee5d2-024a-8ca1-d647-c9c117cff4e5@optonline.net> Message-ID: I thought the shape factor of the 2.8kHz filter was 1.5 to 1 which is impressive up front with good deep out of band pass rejection in excess of 70 dB. The DSP adds the final shaping to the signal that exceeds the roofing filter spec and is therefore the most effective source of final rejection. One observation I have made is that the DSP efficiency is better when I use the 2.1 or 1.8 roofing filters which suggests that the selectivity of the roofing filters is worth quite a bit in the mix. Is this a fair analysis? MD here not EE. Bob K7VO On Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 3:19 PM Don Wilhelm wrote: > Tony, > > The filter shape factor is not stated, but there are filter plots on the > Elecraft website. > > The filer shape factor for the roofing filters is not critical as it is > in an analog receiver. In the K3/K3S, the final filter shape and shape > factor is determined by the DSP filters which follow - the DSP filters > have a very steep slope. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/20/2019 6:09 PM, ab2cj wrote: > > All: > > > > Where can one find filter shape factor specifications for Elecraft K3S > > filters? > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From lists at w2irt.net Thu Mar 21 01:25:07 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 01:25:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY In-Reply-To: <542BDF98-6BE0-43D4-9295-CF679EDDB3A6@blomand.net> References: <002801d4deb8$25d43540$717c9fc0$@w2irt.net> <004e01d4dec0$1773d020$465b7060$@w2irt.net> <008501d4dee1$3ddd05d0$b9971170$@w2irt.net> <001c01d4df71$e3e98ee0$abbcaca0$@w2irt.net> <00b701d4df8c$650c7e00$2f257a00$@w2irt.net> <542BDF98-6BE0-43D4-9295-CF679EDDB3A6@blomand.net> Message-ID: <010301d4dfa6$7308aaa0$5919ffe0$@w2irt.net> My understanding is that WinWarbler relies on Commander, so you need both of those up together. I have tried this approach too, without success. With Barry's help earlier tonight I managed to get the K3s working in AFSK-A mode and successfully able to send and receive conventional 45 Baud RTTY through FLDIGI and N1MM Logger Plus, so we can positively rule out audio issues or transceiver issues, menu setup, etc. So "progress" maybe? - pjd -----Original Message----- From: Bob McGraw K4TAX Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:17 PM To: Barry Cc: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY I suggest getting each basic application running correct before moving to the next application. When each will run correct then and only bring in the integration application. CAT control should not need the VOX activated. Using VOX is just another audio level and delay that has to be correctly adjusted. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 20, 2019, at 9:29 PM, Barry wrote: > > Try one more thing. Go into menu and increase the VOX gain, but before you do that turn up the mic gain; this is actually line in level at this point. I'm suspecting that you might be operating with too low a level going in to the radio or VOX gain is too low. I sure hope this is the fix, 'cuz I've run out of ideas at the moment. > > 73, > Barry > K3NDM > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Peter Dougherty" > To: "Barry" ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: 3/20/2019 10:18:37 PM > Subject: RE: Re[6]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY > >> VOX is engaged, the correct codec is selected, but nothing puts the radio in PTT mode. It?s using the same codec as it does when sending voice keying files, which transmit just fine. The radio is not switching into transmit. >> >> What?s even more worrisome is how WinWarbler is not putting the K3s into AFSK-A mode. It is forcing it into LSB, regardless of what?s set up in the configurator. >> >> >> >> - pjd >> >> >> >> From: Barry >> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 10:10 PM >> To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re[6]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >> >> >> >> Hmmmm. Interesting. The first thing that comes to mind is that your tones are not getting to the radio. Check to see that you are directing your tones to the radio's built in sound card. You should be going out on USB CODEC SPEAKER. Next turn you VOX on. If you are sending tones, the VOX will turn your radio to transmit. So, if you were planning to use the CAT function for PTT, this will allow you to transmit regardless of a correct set up for the PTT, or not. >> >> >> >> 73, >> >> Barry >> >> K3NDM >> >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> >> From: "Peter Dougherty" >> >> To: "Barry" ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> Sent: 3/20/2019 7:08:53 PM >> >> Subject: RE: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY. >> >> >> >>> Well a very, very small bit of progress. Using Commander?s main page, mode selection box, if I press RTTY then the K3s goes into the correct mode (AFSK-A, with the filters applied). I am able to decode cleanly, so RX is working fine. >>> >>> Still unable to go into transmit via DX Labs, however. As a reminder, CW and SSB macros both send find and TX/RX switching is good. It?s just RTTY (so far) that?s the problem. Even PSK-31 seems to be fine (not that I will ever use that mode). >>> >>> I think this is a config problem within WinWarbler at this point. I went through Fred?s awesome K3s/P3 manual and everything seems to be set correctly. >>> >>> - pjd >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Barry >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:26 AM >>> To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>> >>> >>> >>> I don't know why setting up RTTY using AFSK and a K3s is yielding the level of problems it appears to be. It should be just another digital mode. The only difference should be is to set the radio to AFSK vice DATA A; Of course, you could just use DATA A, but you do want to narrow down the receive bandwidth. >>> >>> >>> >>> Layering the software as I do with N1MM + FLDIGI or WSJT-X with Ham Radio Deluxe does add additional complexity, So, I would suggest just using a simple one layer of software until the familiarity for it is developed and a level of comfort is built. >>> >>> >>> >>> I do like RTTY for contesting. FT8 is OK for DX, but when I get serious, less often these days, I use CW. My station is modest compared to many, just a K3s and some wire in the backyard; no amp, tower, rhombics, etc. I do have DXCC mixed, phone, CW, and am short 23 for digital and 21 on 80 for 5BDXCC. >>> >>> >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Barry >>> >>> K3NDM >>> >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> >>> From: "Peter Dougherty" >>> >>> To: "Barry" ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> Sent: 3/20/2019 1:53:27 AM >>> >>> Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>> >>> >>> >>>> I?ve been using WinWarbler for RTTY for almost 10 years now, and it definitely works pretty well with the rest of Dave?s suite of software. Or at least it did with the original MK and later the MK-II. I still had some doozy problems setting it up even then. I documented everything back then so if I experienced a crash I could rebuild pretty quickly. But this is a wholesale change in which dozens of settings are now different. Again, once this is all settled I?ll have screenshot of each setting page so this will (hopefully) be a one-off?provided I keep the K3! >>>> >>>> RTTY is always the red-headed stepchild of radio setups for me, and the sooner it fades into oblivion as a digital mode the happier I?ll be. I have little love for FT8, but that?s where the DX is now! >>>> >>>> >>>> - pjd >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Barry >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 1:08 AM >>>> To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Subject: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Peter, >>>> >>>> For a simple uncomplicated set up, the software choice is whatever you are familiar with, but the GENERAL set up should be the same. I use FLDIGI for two reasons, I know it and it interfaces with N1MM for contesting. I doubt it works better or worse than most of the others. With software there are no interfaces needed if you are using a K3s making set up easier. Like I said earlier, it's just a matter of letting your software know what sound card you are using, the USB CODEC, and the com port of the radio. The rest is pretty much twisting the knobs on the radio to set levels. You should loose no sleep over this; it's make you tired and mistake prone. Only one thing I forgot to tell you and that is turn your VOX on so the tones turn your transmitter on automatically and off when you're finished sending. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I just looked up Winwarbler. It says it can be used for RTTY, but you need either a multimode modem or some additional software and then they must all play together. I really suggest not using Winwarbler if I am correct; it will add an additional level of complexity. Use FLDIGI. MixW, MultiPSK, or another complete S/W application. The setup should be more straight forward. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If you want, I can talk you through it via LL phone. It really shouldn't take more than about 30-45 minutes to make it all play. Contact me directly and I'll give you my phone number. But, I don't function before about noon EDT. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> Barry >>>> >>>> K3NDM >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> >>>> From: "Peter Dougherty" >>>> >>>> To: "Barry" ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> Sent: 3/19/2019 9:56:10 PM >>>> >>>> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to get it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned it in my initial post. Adding more software that I don?t (and will never) understand is the very last thing I want to do unless there is no way around it. >>>>> >>>>> When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY filtering came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and it worked with almost no configuration. I would like to have something similar using AFSK and USB connectivity?specifically the twin-peak brick-wall filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY mode in WinWarbler just puts the radio into LSB mode and that?s it. >>>>> >>>>> Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it?s compatible. I?ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I?m almost no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just won?t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it isn?t that hard to do?.yet here we are! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - pjd >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Barry >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM >>>>> To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Peter, >>>>> >>>>> I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when using RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use the AFSK mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The set up should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the radio's built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI just because. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data mode as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the output of some digital software into the radio and use any available bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a filter for each tone. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would >>>>> estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of trouble. Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using the USB connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio in and out. Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker out. The radio will reflect a com port that will be used for control, use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic control on the front of the radio to set the level for the transmitter such that ALC will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The power level should be set with the knob that controls power. This should be how you set up for FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 73, >>>>> >>>>> Barry >>>>> >>>>> K3NDM >>>>> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>> >>>>> From: "Peter Dougherty" >>>>> >>>>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM >>>>> >>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I >>>>>> should set >>>>>> >>>>>> my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler >>>>>> exclusively (I >>>>>> >>>>>> don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with >>>>>> N1MM). I have >>>>>> >>>>>> the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I >>>>>> had a >>>>>> >>>>>> MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt >>>>>> I'll be >>>>>> >>>>>> doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just in case. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for >>>>>> RTTY, just >>>>>> >>>>>> LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode >>>>>> built into the >>>>>> >>>>>> K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only >>>>>> using data >>>>>> >>>>>> mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have >>>>>> the radio >>>>>> >>>>>> using Data mode for FT8. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find >>>>>> the right >>>>>> >>>>>> settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as always. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Peter Dougherty >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>>> >>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>>> >>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>>> >>>>>> Please help support this email list: >>>>>> http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>>> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From rocketnj at gmail.com Thu Mar 21 01:41:17 2019 From: rocketnj at gmail.com (Dave) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 01:41:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY In-Reply-To: <010301d4dfa6$7308aaa0$5919ffe0$@w2irt.net> References: <002801d4deb8$25d43540$717c9fc0$@w2irt.net> <004e01d4dec0$1773d020$465b7060$@w2irt.net> <008501d4dee1$3ddd05d0$b9971170$@w2irt.net> <001c01d4df71$e3e98ee0$abbcaca0$@w2irt.net> <00b701d4df8c$650c7e00$2f257a00$@w2irt.net> <542BDF98-6BE0-43D4-9295-CF679EDDB3A6@blomand.net> <010301d4dfa6$7308aaa0$5919ffe0$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <817B2F47-8C9E-4953-899A-6A97DC5EBF03@gmail.com> Pete, I am still planning on stopping by after work around 3:30 unless I can get out earlier. I?m sure a second set of eyes will help. Dave Sent from my iPad > On Mar 21, 2019, at 1:25 AM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > > My understanding is that WinWarbler relies on Commander, so you need both of those up together. I have tried this approach too, without success. > > With Barry's help earlier tonight I managed to get the K3s working in AFSK-A mode and successfully able to send and receive conventional 45 Baud RTTY through FLDIGI and N1MM Logger Plus, so we can positively rule out audio issues or transceiver issues, menu setup, etc. So "progress" maybe? > > - pjd > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob McGraw K4TAX > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:17 PM > To: Barry > Cc: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY > > I suggest getting each basic application running correct before moving to the next application. When each will run correct then and only bring in the integration application. > > CAT control should not need the VOX activated. Using VOX is just another audio level and delay that has to be correctly adjusted. > > Bob, K4TAX > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 20, 2019, at 9:29 PM, Barry wrote: >> >> Try one more thing. Go into menu and increase the VOX gain, but before you do that turn up the mic gain; this is actually line in level at this point. I'm suspecting that you might be operating with too low a level going in to the radio or VOX gain is too low. I sure hope this is the fix, 'cuz I've run out of ideas at the moment. >> >> 73, >> Barry >> K3NDM >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Peter Dougherty" >> To: "Barry" ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Sent: 3/20/2019 10:18:37 PM >> Subject: RE: Re[6]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >> >>> VOX is engaged, the correct codec is selected, but nothing puts the radio in PTT mode. It?s using the same codec as it does when sending voice keying files, which transmit just fine. The radio is not switching into transmit. >>> >>> What?s even more worrisome is how WinWarbler is not putting the K3s into AFSK-A mode. It is forcing it into LSB, regardless of what?s set up in the configurator. >>> >>> >>> >>> - pjd >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Barry >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 10:10 PM >>> To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re[6]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>> >>> >>> >>> Hmmmm. Interesting. The first thing that comes to mind is that your tones are not getting to the radio. Check to see that you are directing your tones to the radio's built in sound card. You should be going out on USB CODEC SPEAKER. Next turn you VOX on. If you are sending tones, the VOX will turn your radio to transmit. So, if you were planning to use the CAT function for PTT, this will allow you to transmit regardless of a correct set up for the PTT, or not. >>> >>> >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Barry >>> >>> K3NDM >>> >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> >>> From: "Peter Dougherty" >>> >>> To: "Barry" ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> Sent: 3/20/2019 7:08:53 PM >>> >>> Subject: RE: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY. >>> >>> >>> >>>> Well a very, very small bit of progress. Using Commander?s main page, mode selection box, if I press RTTY then the K3s goes into the correct mode (AFSK-A, with the filters applied). I am able to decode cleanly, so RX is working fine. >>>> >>>> Still unable to go into transmit via DX Labs, however. As a reminder, CW and SSB macros both send find and TX/RX switching is good. It?s just RTTY (so far) that?s the problem. Even PSK-31 seems to be fine (not that I will ever use that mode). >>>> >>>> I think this is a config problem within WinWarbler at this point. I went through Fred?s awesome K3s/P3 manual and everything seems to be set correctly. >>>> >>>> - pjd >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Barry >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:26 AM >>>> To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Subject: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I don't know why setting up RTTY using AFSK and a K3s is yielding the level of problems it appears to be. It should be just another digital mode. The only difference should be is to set the radio to AFSK vice DATA A; Of course, you could just use DATA A, but you do want to narrow down the receive bandwidth. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Layering the software as I do with N1MM + FLDIGI or WSJT-X with Ham Radio Deluxe does add additional complexity, So, I would suggest just using a simple one layer of software until the familiarity for it is developed and a level of comfort is built. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I do like RTTY for contesting. FT8 is OK for DX, but when I get serious, less often these days, I use CW. My station is modest compared to many, just a K3s and some wire in the backyard; no amp, tower, rhombics, etc. I do have DXCC mixed, phone, CW, and am short 23 for digital and 21 on 80 for 5BDXCC. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> Barry >>>> >>>> K3NDM >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> >>>> From: "Peter Dougherty" >>>> >>>> To: "Barry" ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> Sent: 3/20/2019 1:53:27 AM >>>> >>>> Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I?ve been using WinWarbler for RTTY for almost 10 years now, and it definitely works pretty well with the rest of Dave?s suite of software. Or at least it did with the original MK and later the MK-II. I still had some doozy problems setting it up even then. I documented everything back then so if I experienced a crash I could rebuild pretty quickly. But this is a wholesale change in which dozens of settings are now different. Again, once this is all settled I?ll have screenshot of each setting page so this will (hopefully) be a one-off?provided I keep the K3! >>>>> >>>>> RTTY is always the red-headed stepchild of radio setups for me, and the sooner it fades into oblivion as a digital mode the happier I?ll be. I have little love for FT8, but that?s where the DX is now! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - pjd >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Barry >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 1:08 AM >>>>> To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> Subject: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Peter, >>>>> >>>>> For a simple uncomplicated set up, the software choice is whatever you are familiar with, but the GENERAL set up should be the same. I use FLDIGI for two reasons, I know it and it interfaces with N1MM for contesting. I doubt it works better or worse than most of the others. With software there are no interfaces needed if you are using a K3s making set up easier. Like I said earlier, it's just a matter of letting your software know what sound card you are using, the USB CODEC, and the com port of the radio. The rest is pretty much twisting the knobs on the radio to set levels. You should loose no sleep over this; it's make you tired and mistake prone. Only one thing I forgot to tell you and that is turn your VOX on so the tones turn your transmitter on automatically and off when you're finished sending. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I just looked up Winwarbler. It says it can be used for RTTY, but you need either a multimode modem or some additional software and then they must all play together. I really suggest not using Winwarbler if I am correct; it will add an additional level of complexity. Use FLDIGI. MixW, MultiPSK, or another complete S/W application. The setup should be more straight forward. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you want, I can talk you through it via LL phone. It really shouldn't take more than about 30-45 minutes to make it all play. Contact me directly and I'll give you my phone number. But, I don't function before about noon EDT. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 73, >>>>> >>>>> Barry >>>>> >>>>> K3NDM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>> >>>>> From: "Peter Dougherty" >>>>> >>>>> To: "Barry" ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> Sent: 3/19/2019 9:56:10 PM >>>>> >>>>> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to get it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned it in my initial post. Adding more software that I don?t (and will never) understand is the very last thing I want to do unless there is no way around it. >>>>>> >>>>>> When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY filtering came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and it worked with almost no configuration. I would like to have something similar using AFSK and USB connectivity?specifically the twin-peak brick-wall filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY mode in WinWarbler just puts the radio into LSB mode and that?s it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it?s compatible. I?ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I?m almost no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just won?t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it isn?t that hard to do?.yet here we are! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> - pjd >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Barry >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM >>>>>> To: Peter Dougherty ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Peter, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when using RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use the AFSK mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The set up should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the radio's built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI just because. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data mode as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the output of some digital software into the radio and use any available bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a filter for each tone. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would >>>>>> estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of trouble. Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using the USB connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio in and out. Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker out. The radio will reflect a com port that will be used for control, use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic control on the front of the radio to set the level for the transmitter such that ALC will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The power level should be set with the knob that controls power. This should be how you set up for FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, >>>>>> >>>>>> Barry >>>>>> >>>>>> K3NDM >>>>>> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>> >>>>>> From: "Peter Dougherty" >>>>>> >>>>>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I >>>>>>> should set >>>>>>> >>>>>>> my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler >>>>>>> exclusively (I >>>>>>> >>>>>>> don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with >>>>>>> N1MM). I have >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I >>>>>>> had a >>>>>>> >>>>>>> MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt >>>>>>> I'll be >>>>>>> >>>>>>> doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just in case. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for >>>>>>> RTTY, just >>>>>>> >>>>>>> LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode >>>>>>> built into the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only >>>>>>> using data >>>>>>> >>>>>>> mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have >>>>>>> the radio >>>>>>> >>>>>>> using Data mode for FT8. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find >>>>>>> the right >>>>>>> >>>>>>> settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as always. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Peter Dougherty >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please help support this email list: >>>>>>> http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>>>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Mar 21 01:41:49 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 22:41:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY In-Reply-To: <010301d4dfa6$7308aaa0$5919ffe0$@w2irt.net> References: <002801d4deb8$25d43540$717c9fc0$@w2irt.net> <004e01d4dec0$1773d020$465b7060$@w2irt.net> <008501d4dee1$3ddd05d0$b9971170$@w2irt.net> <001c01d4df71$e3e98ee0$abbcaca0$@w2irt.net> <00b701d4df8c$650c7e00$2f257a00$@w2irt.net> <542BDF98-6BE0-43D4-9295-CF679EDDB3A6@blomand.net> <010301d4dfa6$7308aaa0$5919ffe0$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <76b13cb2-6f90-473d-8a51-c34de299a42d@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 3/20/2019 10:25 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > My understanding is that WinWarbler relies on Commander, for frequency information. Mostly I use it WITHOUT Commander. 73, Jim K9YC From stevencwolf at comcast.net Thu Mar 21 01:49:31 2019 From: stevencwolf at comcast.net (Steve) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 01:49:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] unsubscribe Message-ID: unsubscribe From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Thu Mar 21 08:48:06 2019 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 05:48:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Test please disregard Message-ID: <7a94f24b-b153-351c-9f47-29de02a1935b@triconet.org> From kg9hfrank at gmail.com Thu Mar 21 11:21:03 2019 From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 10:21:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New K1 user Message-ID: So I dropped by a friend?s place today to buy my old K2/100 back. (now I have an extra K2 with most options?. LOL) and I snagged a K1. Never owned one in the past. Just need to pick up the noise blanker and the internal battery tray, etc. Curious has anyone ever tried the ?just 9V battery? for operation? de KG9H, Frank From jmsrepetti at gmail.com Thu Mar 21 11:35:59 2019 From: jmsrepetti at gmail.com (Jim R) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 11:35:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Boston College Amateur Radio Club Message-ID: Fred Hopengarten K1VR, Phil Temples K9HI, and I are attempting to re-establish the Boston College Amateur Radio Club. If you know any students at BC who might be interested, please ask them to contact me at repetti at bc.edu. (I am on the faculty at BC Law School.) Thanks, Jim Repetti WJ1R From kf5wdj at att.net Thu Mar 21 13:01:09 2019 From: kf5wdj at att.net (J David Overton) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 12:01:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] St Patrick's Day K3s Raffle Winner Message-ID: Congratulations to Richard Cash, W4WU the winner of the Midland Amateur Radio Club?s St. Patrick?s Day K3s Raffle. I would also like to thank all who participated in the raffle. We had a great Hamfest next year?s. David KF5WDJ Sent from my iPhone From k0emt at dbbear.com Thu Mar 21 13:23:03 2019 From: k0emt at dbbear.com (Bryan Nehl) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 17:23:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 to the field References: <743487100.9327857.1553188983264.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <743487100.9327857.1553188983264@mail.yahoo.com> I'm thinking about taking my K2/10 out for POTA/SOTA ops which involve some hiking.Mine has the extra heavy duty extended side panels.??I'll be taking a fiberglass pole, microphone, paddle, headphones and battery in addition to other basic day hike stuff. I'm wondering how other people have transported their K2 to the field?Just throw it in the pack?? Dry bag?? Padded bag or case?? Use something commercial off the shelf or fabricate a carrier? 72 de Bryan, k0emt From kg9hfrank at gmail.com Thu Mar 21 13:24:09 2019 From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 12:24:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 to the field In-Reply-To: <743487100.9327857.1553188983264@mail.yahoo.com> References: <743487100.9327857.1553188983264.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <743487100.9327857.1553188983264@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3E4683BD-23BB-4F91-82F2-807648A97AEF@gmail.com> Always protect the front! de KG9H > On Mar 21, 2019, at 12:23 PM, Bryan Nehl wrote: > > I'm thinking about taking my K2/10 out for POTA/SOTA ops which involve some hiking.Mine has the extra heavy duty extended side panels. I'll be taking a fiberglass pole, microphone, paddle, headphones and battery in addition to other basic day hike stuff. > I'm wondering how other people have transported their K2 to the field?Just throw it in the pack? Dry bag? Padded bag or case? Use something commercial off the shelf or fabricate a carrier? > 72 de Bryan, k0emt > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From d.cutter at ntlworld.com Thu Mar 21 13:26:50 2019 From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (CUTTER DAVID) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 17:26:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 to the field In-Reply-To: <3E4683BD-23BB-4F91-82F2-807648A97AEF@gmail.com> References: <743487100.9327857.1553188983264.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <743487100.9327857.1553188983264@mail.yahoo.com> <3E4683BD-23BB-4F91-82F2-807648A97AEF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1215248620.816996.1553189210959@mail2.virginmedia.com> I used a large sandwich box which held it very well indeed. Then it can be popped into your ruck sack without further ado. David G3UNA > On 21 March 2019 at 17:24 Frank Krozel wrote: > > > Always protect the front! > de KG9H > > > > On Mar 21, 2019, at 12:23 PM, Bryan Nehl wrote: > > > > I'm thinking about taking my K2/10 out for POTA/SOTA ops which involve some hiking.Mine has the extra heavy duty extended side panels. I'll be taking a fiberglass pole, microphone, paddle, headphones and battery in addition to other basic day hike stuff. > > I'm wondering how other people have transported their K2 to the field?Just throw it in the pack? Dry bag? Padded bag or case? Use something commercial off the shelf or fabricate a carrier? > > 72 de Bryan, k0emt > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From lists at w2irt.net Thu Mar 21 13:52:03 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 13:52:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY--FIXED Message-ID: <019201d4e00e$cb134a30$6139de90$@w2irt.net> Hi all, Just a quick note to thank everybody here for their suggestions and help. There were some things in the K3s that needed to be changed, but that still left some serious issues that were definitely related to DX Labs WinWarbler. DX Labs works by storing app settings in the registry, and the registry settings for all related apps are stored in a ?workspace.? Somehow the settings for WinWarbler had gotten corrupted. On a whim, I restored an old known-good workspace, changed the parameters to the new hardware configuration and after a couple of bumpy starts, everything worked fine. I saved a new workspace with these settings, and then I went back to the original profile, and it remained screwed up. Once again I shut everything down, loaded the new profile that I?d just created and it?s all good. The bad profile has now been deleted off the system and all is once again right. I would definitely like to thank Barry, K3NDM for helping me out one-on-one, ironing out the needed K3s settings, and getting RTTY working in FLDIGI and N1MM (proving this was a DX Labs problem). FOUR DAYS to get this done, but at least now, with very limited testing, I seem to have all the functionality I had previously with the MicroKeyer-II in line?but without the extra cabling, risk of RF ingress, and multiple virtual COM ports. Again, a big thank you to everybody who lent a hand to this. One final question, does the USB audio connection from the K3s separate out the main and sub receiver audio in the same manner as using a physical audio breakout cable two and 3.5mm plugs? I would like to have a second instance of MMTTY set up to receive the sub RX audio, with the primary using only the main VFO. I used to be able to accomplish this using left- and right-channels in the MMTTY setup, but that doesn?t seem to work using USB. Not a major issue now that FT8 Dxpedition Mode seems to be all the rage, but I would still like to have this functionality if possible. - pjd From kevinr at coho.net Thu Mar 21 14:20:34 2019 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 11:20:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report Message-ID: <70da1b63-1645-f783-2b2b-5390cd11cb49@coho.net> Good Afternoon, ? Things got very busy for me so this moldered in my files for a few days.? However, Sunday's propagation was not special nor good.? Very weak signals, deepish QSB, and a steady, windy sound. Even on forty meters the normal crowd was thinned.? Hopefully the sun will be more cooperative over the next year as it prepares for cycle 25. ? On 14049.5 kHz at 2200z: K6XK - Roy - IA K4JPN - Steve - GA ? On 7046.5 kHz at 0000z: K0DTJ - Brian - CA K6XK - Roy - IA W6JHB - Jim - CA K6PJV - Dale - CA Until next week 73, ??? Kevin.? KD5ONS Nessun dorma! Nessun dorma! Tu pure, o Principessa, nella tua fredda stanza, guardi le stelle che tremano d'amore, e di speranza! Ma il mio mistero ? chiuso in me; il nome mio nessun sapr?! No, No! Sulla tua bocca lo dir? quando la luce splender?! ... Dilegua, o notte! Tramontate, stelle! Tramontate, stelle! All'alba vincer?! Vincer?! Vincer?! _ From lists at subich.com Thu Mar 21 15:52:15 2019 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 15:52:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY--FIXED In-Reply-To: <019201d4e00e$cb134a30$6139de90$@w2irt.net> References: <019201d4e00e$cb134a30$6139de90$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <3c8ad87a-dd0c-db66-85c4-910f84495179@subich.com> On 2019-03-21 1:52 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > Again, a big thank you to everybody who lent a hand to this. One final > question, does the USB audio connection from the K3s separate out the > main and sub receiver audio in the same manner as using a physical > audio breakout cable two and 3.5mm plugs? Yes, the K3/KIO3B or K3S USB Audio CODEC behaves exactly like the K3 with analog Line In/Line Out. The USB Audio CODEC is essentially "grafted on" to the Line In/Line Out. In fact "Speaker (USB AUDIO CODEC)" is connected in parallel with the analog Line Out jack. Please refer to the K3S Owners Manual and the K3S schematic package on-line. > I seem to have all the functionality I had previously with the > MicroKeyer-II in line Not by a long shot ... you no longer have a hardware based FSK, a K1EL WinKey keyer, support for multiple CAT connections (for syncing an external SDR panadapter), the ability to mute the microphone when playing an SSB voice file, access to dedicated CI-V and/or SteppIR control channel, etc. While you may not have used all those features you certainly do not have the same functionality as you had with the microKEYER II. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2019-03-21 1:52 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > Hi all, > Just a quick note to thank everybody here for their suggestions and help. There were some things in the K3s that needed to be changed, but that still left some serious issues that were definitely related to DX Labs WinWarbler. > > DX Labs works by storing app settings in the registry, and the registry settings for all related apps are stored in a ?workspace.? Somehow the settings for WinWarbler had gotten corrupted. On a whim, I restored an old known-good workspace, changed the parameters to the new hardware configuration and after a couple of bumpy starts, everything worked fine. I saved a new workspace with these settings, and then I went back to the original profile, and it remained screwed up. Once again I shut everything down, loaded the new profile that I?d just created and it?s all good. The bad profile has now been deleted off the system and all is once again right. > > I would definitely like to thank Barry, K3NDM for helping me out one-on-one, ironing out the needed K3s settings, and getting RTTY working in FLDIGI and N1MM (proving this was a DX Labs problem). > > FOUR DAYS to get this done, but at least now, with very limited testing, I seem to have all the functionality I had previously with the MicroKeyer-II in line?but without the extra cabling, risk of RF ingress, and multiple virtual COM ports. > > Again, a big thank you to everybody who lent a hand to this. One final question, does the USB audio connection from the K3s separate out the main and sub receiver audio in the same manner as using a physical audio breakout cable two and 3.5mm plugs? I would like to have a second instance of MMTTY set up to receive the sub RX audio, with the primary using only the main VFO. I used to be able to accomplish this using left- and right-channels in the MMTTY setup, but that doesn?t seem to work using USB. Not a major issue now that FT8 Dxpedition Mode seems to be all the rage, but I would still like to have this functionality if possible. > > > > - pjd > From ab2tc at arrl.net Thu Mar 21 15:56:28 2019 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 12:56:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report (OT now) In-Reply-To: <70da1b63-1645-f783-2b2b-5390cd11cb49@coho.net> References: <70da1b63-1645-f783-2b2b-5390cd11cb49@coho.net> Message-ID: <1553198188875-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Kevin, I always read the CW Net report with great interest. I think of it as the "Oregon weather report" But WOW, this is the first time I have seen any message sign off with the lyrics to one of Puccini's most famous tenor arias. Is there is a connection to the subject line here or is this perhaps the whim of your Email client? Often they sign off with some famous quote by famous people like Einstein or Churchill, etc. AB2TC - Knut kevinr at coho.net wrote > Good Afternoon, > > ? Things got very busy for me so this moldered in my files for a few > days.? However, Sunday's propagation was not special nor good.? Very > weak signals, deepish QSB, and a steady, windy sound. Even on forty > meters the normal crowd was thinned.? Hopefully the sun will be more > cooperative over the next year as it prepares for cycle 25. > > > ? On 14049.5 kHz at 2200z: > > K6XK - Roy - IA > > K4JPN - Steve - GA > > > ? On 7046.5 kHz at 0000z: > > K0DTJ - Brian - CA > > K6XK - Roy - IA > > W6JHB - Jim - CA > > K6PJV - Dale - CA > > > Until next week 73, > > ??? Kevin.? KD5ONS > > > Nessun dorma! Nessun dorma! > Tu pure, o Principessa, > nella tua fredda stanza, > guardi le stelle > che tremano d'amore, e di speranza! > > Ma il mio mistero ? chiuso in me; > il nome mio nessun sapr?! > No, No! Sulla tua bocca > lo dir? quando la luce splender?! > > ... > > Dilegua, o notte! > Tramontate, stelle! > Tramontate, stelle! > All'alba vincer?! > Vincer?! Vincer?! > > _ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: > Elecraft at .qth > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From k4to.dave at gmail.com Thu Mar 21 16:24:56 2019 From: k4to.dave at gmail.com (Dave Sublette) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 16:24:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report (OT now) In-Reply-To: <1553198188875-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <70da1b63-1645-f783-2b2b-5390cd11cb49@coho.net> <1553198188875-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Not only that. but I have played the music to Nessun dorma! 73, Dave, K4TO On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 3:56 PM ab2tc wrote: > Hi Kevin, > > I always read the CW Net report with great interest. I think of it as the > "Oregon weather report" But WOW, this is the first time I have seen any > message sign off with the lyrics to one of Puccini's most famous tenor > arias. Is there is a connection to the subject line here or is this perhaps > the whim of your Email client? Often they sign off with some famous quote > by > famous people like Einstein or Churchill, etc. > > AB2TC - Knut > > > > kevinr at coho.net wrote > > Good Afternoon, > > > > Things got very busy for me so this moldered in my files for a few > > days. However, Sunday's propagation was not special nor good. Very > > weak signals, deepish QSB, and a steady, windy sound. Even on forty > > meters the normal crowd was thinned. Hopefully the sun will be more > > cooperative over the next year as it prepares for cycle 25. > > > > > > On 14049.5 kHz at 2200z: > > > > K6XK - Roy - IA > > > > K4JPN - Steve - GA > > > > > > On 7046.5 kHz at 0000z: > > > > K0DTJ - Brian - CA > > > > K6XK - Roy - IA > > > > W6JHB - Jim - CA > > > > K6PJV - Dale - CA > > > > > > Until next week 73, > > > > Kevin. KD5ONS > > > > > > Nessun dorma! Nessun dorma! > > Tu pure, o Principessa, > > nella tua fredda stanza, > > guardi le stelle > > che tremano d'amore, e di speranza! > > > > Ma il mio mistero ? chiuso in me; > > il nome mio nessun sapr?! > > No, No! Sulla tua bocca > > lo dir? quando la luce splender?! > > > > ... > > > > Dilegua, o notte! > > Tramontate, stelle! > > Tramontate, stelle! > > All'alba vincer?! > > Vincer?! Vincer?! > > > > _ > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto: > > > Elecraft at .qth > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From kevinr at coho.net Thu Mar 21 16:44:38 2019 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 13:44:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report (OT now) In-Reply-To: <1553198188875-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <70da1b63-1645-f783-2b2b-5390cd11cb49@coho.net> <1553198188875-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <29a60914-2d4d-436c-318c-cc8cb70becaf@coho.net> Hi Knut, ?? No, I found the lyrics applicable to my life; the aria has been running through my head for the last two days.? I have been very busy on a project with lots of long sleepless nights. Eighteen months so far and at least one more to go.? But when this is done life will dawn and I will win.? I did skip over the Princess's part of the aria ? By the way, the snow is almost gone.? After a few days of bright sun and high 60 degrees that water is now in the Willamette.? The pileated woodpeckers are back making a racket but few other birds are taking advantage of the newly exposed soil.? I expect to see the deer and grouse return as the undergrowth springs to life. ?? 73, ????? Kevin.? KD5ONS - On 3/21/19 12:56 PM, ab2tc wrote: > Hi Kevin, > > I always read the CW Net report with great interest. I think of it as the > "Oregon weather report" But WOW, this is the first time I have seen any > message sign off with the lyrics to one of Puccini's most famous tenor > arias. Is there is a connection to the subject line here or is this perhaps > the whim of your Email client? Often they sign off with some famous quote by > famous people like Einstein or Churchill, etc. > > AB2TC - Knut > > > > kevinr at coho.net wrote >> Good Afternoon, >> >> ? Things got very busy for me so this moldered in my files for a few >> days.? However, Sunday's propagation was not special nor good.? Very >> weak signals, deepish QSB, and a steady, windy sound. Even on forty >> meters the normal crowd was thinned.? Hopefully the sun will be more >> cooperative over the next year as it prepares for cycle 25. >> >> >> ? On 14049.5 kHz at 2200z: >> >> K6XK - Roy - IA >> >> K4JPN - Steve - GA >> >> >> ? On 7046.5 kHz at 0000z: >> >> K0DTJ - Brian - CA >> >> K6XK - Roy - IA >> >> W6JHB - Jim - CA >> >> K6PJV - Dale - CA >> >> >> Until next week 73, >> >> ??? Kevin.? KD5ONS >> >> >> Nessun dorma! Nessun dorma! >> Tu pure, o Principessa, >> nella tua fredda stanza, >> guardi le stelle >> che tremano d'amore, e di speranza! >> >> Ma il mio mistero ? chiuso in me; >> il nome mio nessun sapr?! >> No, No! Sulla tua bocca >> lo dir? quando la luce splender?! >> >> ... >> >> Dilegua, o notte! >> Tramontate, stelle! >> Tramontate, stelle! >> All'alba vincer?! >> Vincer?! Vincer?! >> >> _ >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto: >> Elecraft at .qth >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From kd4iz at frawg.org Thu Mar 21 17:03:02 2019 From: kd4iz at frawg.org (kd4iz at frawg.org) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 17:03:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] ICOM to KAT/KPA500 key issue resolved Message-ID: <007f01d4e029$79ad0490$6d070db0$@frawg.org> To make a long story short: I found that some pins in the E100416 13 pin DIN connector to RCA cable were not making a solid connection. The pins and the metal ring-shield in the DIN are thinner than the ICOM supplied connectors. The DIN connector did not seat properly and would wiggle, breaking contact as placed. Apparently the HSEND line pin would not make contact at all in the IC-7100, but would make a tenuous contact in the 7000 and 7300. Replaced the adapter with a homebrew cable using an ICOM 13 pin pigtail and an RCA video cable I had lying around, the DIN seat is solid and the amp and tuner work fine on all three radios now. All things are now harmonious. Thanks to Cody at Elecraft for his quick response to my query! Hope my observations help another poor soul who mixes and matches his /her gear. KD4IZ Jack Spitznagel FM19oo From lists at w2irt.net Thu Mar 21 19:00:02 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 19:00:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY--FIXED In-Reply-To: <3c8ad87a-dd0c-db66-85c4-910f84495179@subich.com> References: <019201d4e00e$cb134a30$6139de90$@w2irt.net> <3c8ad87a-dd0c-db66-85c4-910f84495179@subich.com> Message-ID: <000701d4e039$d1701bd0$74505370$@w2irt.net> Yes, you're right, and I will miss the ability to have multiple CAT connections...that's a biggie and the ability to mute the mic on .wav playback as well. I should have said that I have (almost) all the functionality that I had before for the features that I use. At this point, I'm trying to simplify things for the next couple of months, get things working reliably, then introduce an SDRPlay, Skimmer, and Win4K3 after Dayton. I do miss the Winkeyer's speed control knob, but I can get used to just using N1MM PageUp/Dn keyboard commands or the K3s's front panel control knob. I had a great run with the MK and MK-II over the years and yeah, there are a few things I'll miss, for sure, but the reduced complexity--both physical and software/PC related, and reduced potential for RF ingress are substantial positives as well. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 3:52 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY--FIXED On 2019-03-21 1:52 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > Again, a big thank you to everybody who lent a hand to this. One final > question, does the USB audio connection from the K3s separate out the > main and sub receiver audio in the same manner as using a physical > audio breakout cable two and 3.5mm plugs? Yes, the K3/KIO3B or K3S USB Audio CODEC behaves exactly like the K3 with analog Line In/Line Out. The USB Audio CODEC is essentially "grafted on" to the Line In/Line Out. In fact "Speaker (USB AUDIO CODEC)" is connected in parallel with the analog Line Out jack. Please refer to the K3S Owners Manual and the K3S schematic package on-line. > I seem to have all the functionality I had previously with the > MicroKeyer-II in line Not by a long shot ... you no longer have a hardware based FSK, a K1EL WinKey keyer, support for multiple CAT connections (for syncing an external SDR panadapter), the ability to mute the microphone when playing an SSB voice file, access to dedicated CI-V and/or SteppIR control channel, etc. While you may not have used all those features you certainly do not have the same functionality as you had with the microKEYER II. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2019-03-21 1:52 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > Hi all, > Just a quick note to thank everybody here for their suggestions and help. > There were some things in the K3s that needed to be changed, but that > still left some serious issues that were definitely related to DX Labs > WinWarbler. > > DX Labs works by storing app settings in the registry, and the > registry settings for all related apps are stored in a ?workspace.? > Somehow the settings for WinWarbler had gotten corrupted. On a whim, I > restored an old known-good workspace, changed the parameters to the > new hardware configuration and after a couple of bumpy starts, everything worked fine. > I saved a new workspace with these settings, and then I went back to > the original profile, and it remained screwed up. Once again I shut > everything down, loaded the new profile that I?d just created and it?s > all good. The bad profile has now been deleted off the system and all > is once again right. > > I would definitely like to thank Barry, K3NDM for helping me out > one-on-one, ironing out the needed K3s settings, and getting RTTY > working in FLDIGI and N1MM (proving this was a DX Labs problem). > > FOUR DAYS to get this done, but at least now, with very limited > testing, I seem to have all the functionality I had previously with > the MicroKeyer-II in line?but without the extra cabling, risk of RF > ingress, and multiple virtual COM ports. > > Again, a big thank you to everybody who lent a hand to this. One final > question, does the USB audio connection from the K3s separate out the > main and sub receiver audio in the same manner as using a physical > audio breakout cable two and 3.5mm plugs? I would like to have a > second instance of MMTTY set up to receive the sub RX audio, with the > primary using only the main VFO. I used to be able to accomplish this > using left- and right-channels in the MMTTY setup, but that doesn?t > seem to work using USB. Not a major issue now that FT8 Dxpedition Mode > seems to be all the rage, but I would still like to have this functionality if possible. > > > > - pjd > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From b.denley at comcast.net Thu Mar 21 19:16:21 2019 From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 19:16:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 battery Message-ID: Well everything is installed and working very well. Now my little K2 weighs more than my FT-950! :o) Brian KB1VBF Sent from my iPad From rocketnj at gmail.com Thu Mar 21 19:26:38 2019 From: rocketnj at gmail.com (rocketnj at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 19:26:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY--FIXED In-Reply-To: <000701d4e039$d1701bd0$74505370$@w2irt.net> References: <019201d4e00e$cb134a30$6139de90$@w2irt.net> <3c8ad87a-dd0c-db66-85c4-910f84495179@subich.com> <000701d4e039$d1701bd0$74505370$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <01e501d4e03d$889092b0$99b1b810$@gmail.com> Pete, YouCAN share the CAT connection from the K3S USB via a program called VSPE. Works very well. Give me a call tomorrow to discuss. Dave wo2x -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Peter Dougherty Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 7:00 PM To: 'Joe Subich, W4TV' ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY--FIXED Yes, you're right, and I will miss the ability to have multiple CAT connections...that's a biggie and the ability to mute the mic on .wav playback as well. I should have said that I have (almost) all the functionality that I had before for the features that I use. At this point, I'm trying to simplify things for the next couple of months, get things working reliably, then introduce an SDRPlay, Skimmer, and Win4K3 after Dayton. I do miss the Winkeyer's speed control knob, but I can get used to just using N1MM PageUp/Dn keyboard commands or the K3s's front panel control knob. I had a great run with the MK and MK-II over the years and yeah, there are a few things I'll miss, for sure, but the reduced complexity--both physical and software/PC related, and reduced potential for RF ingress are substantial positives as well. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 3:52 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY--FIXED On 2019-03-21 1:52 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > Again, a big thank you to everybody who lent a hand to this. One final > question, does the USB audio connection from the K3s separate out the > main and sub receiver audio in the same manner as using a physical > audio breakout cable two and 3.5mm plugs? Yes, the K3/KIO3B or K3S USB Audio CODEC behaves exactly like the K3 with analog Line In/Line Out. The USB Audio CODEC is essentially "grafted on" to the Line In/Line Out. In fact "Speaker (USB AUDIO CODEC)" is connected in parallel with the analog Line Out jack. Please refer to the K3S Owners Manual and the K3S schematic package on-line. > I seem to have all the functionality I had previously with the > MicroKeyer-II in line Not by a long shot ... you no longer have a hardware based FSK, a K1EL WinKey keyer, support for multiple CAT connections (for syncing an external SDR panadapter), the ability to mute the microphone when playing an SSB voice file, access to dedicated CI-V and/or SteppIR control channel, etc. While you may not have used all those features you certainly do not have the same functionality as you had with the microKEYER II. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2019-03-21 1:52 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > Hi all, > Just a quick note to thank everybody here for their suggestions and help. > There were some things in the K3s that needed to be changed, but that > still left some serious issues that were definitely related to DX Labs > WinWarbler. > > DX Labs works by storing app settings in the registry, and the > registry settings for all related apps are stored in a ?workspace.? > Somehow the settings for WinWarbler had gotten corrupted. On a whim, I > restored an old known-good workspace, changed the parameters to the > new hardware configuration and after a couple of bumpy starts, everything worked fine. > I saved a new workspace with these settings, and then I went back to > the original profile, and it remained screwed up. Once again I shut > everything down, loaded the new profile that I?d just created and it?s > all good. The bad profile has now been deleted off the system and all > is once again right. > > I would definitely like to thank Barry, K3NDM for helping me out > one-on-one, ironing out the needed K3s settings, and getting RTTY > working in FLDIGI and N1MM (proving this was a DX Labs problem). > > FOUR DAYS to get this done, but at least now, with very limited > testing, I seem to have all the functionality I had previously with > the MicroKeyer-II in line?but without the extra cabling, risk of RF > ingress, and multiple virtual COM ports. > > Again, a big thank you to everybody who lent a hand to this. One final > question, does the USB audio connection from the K3s separate out the > main and sub receiver audio in the same manner as using a physical > audio breakout cable two and 3.5mm plugs? I would like to have a > second instance of MMTTY set up to receive the sub RX audio, with the > primary using only the main VFO. I used to be able to accomplish this > using left- and right-channels in the MMTTY setup, but that doesn?t > seem to work using USB. Not a major issue now that FT8 Dxpedition Mode > seems to be all the rage, but I would still like to have this functionality if possible. > > > > - pjd > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From davidhweiss at gmail.com Thu Mar 21 19:28:34 2019 From: davidhweiss at gmail.com (David H Weiss) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 16:28:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Goldline MM-4 Mike does not work into Front Panel of My K3 Message-ID: <1553210914374-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi All: I have a Heil MM-4 Boom Mike that is not working into my K3. I just tested an Elecraft MH-2 Hand mike into the front panel and it works fine. The configuration that I am using for the MM-4 mike is FPL - with High Gain (7) (NO BIAS). It shows no input with speech. It is switched on at the mike and the toggle switch on is is set to full range. The headset I have is Yamaha CM500 into the rear panel and it works fine. The MM-4 mike used to work with the above setting. The mike is switched on and the toggle switch is set to full range. I have run out of ideas and could use help. 73 Dave K3FT -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Mar 21 20:17:36 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 20:17:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Goldline MM-4 Mike does not work into Front Panel of My K3 In-Reply-To: <1553210914374-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1553210914374-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Dave, Heil has been using low output microphone elements for the past few years. I know the information on the Heil website says to use the FP.L setting for the K3, but that is dead WRONG! I wish Heil would fix that statement - I have answered this question several times. You will have to use the High Gain mic preamp setting - FP.H. Since this is a dynamic microphone, make sure bias is off. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/21/2019 7:28 PM, David H Weiss wrote: > Hi All: > > I have a Heil MM-4 Boom Mike that is not working into my K3. I just tested > an Elecraft MH-2 Hand mike into the front panel and it works fine. > > The configuration that I am using for the MM-4 mike is FPL - with High Gain > (7) (NO BIAS). It shows no input with speech. It is switched on at the > mike and the toggle switch on is is set to full range. > > The headset I have is Yamaha CM500 into the rear panel and it works fine. > > The MM-4 mike used to work with the above setting. The mike is switched on > and the toggle switch is set to full range. > From lists at subich.com Thu Mar 21 21:47:18 2019 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 21:47:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY--FIXED In-Reply-To: <01e501d4e03d$889092b0$99b1b810$@gmail.com> References: <019201d4e00e$cb134a30$6139de90$@w2irt.net> <3c8ad87a-dd0c-db66-85c4-910f84495179@subich.com> <000701d4e039$d1701bd0$74505370$@w2irt.net> <01e501d4e03d$889092b0$99b1b810$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d635eff-6260-bb9d-156c-ee04c2011a30@subich.com> > YouCAN share the CAT connection from the K3S USB via a program called > VSPE. Works very well. VSPE does not work well (if at all) with either N1MM Logger+ or DXLab Suite Commander - particularly if the SDR or Omni-Rig is polling at the same time as N1MM+ or Commander as both N1MM+ and Commander use nearly 100% of the transceiver CAT bandwidth in order to provide the fastest possible response (minimum lag). 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2019-03-21 7:26 PM, rocketnj at gmail.com wrote: > Pete, > > YouCAN share the CAT connection from the K3S USB via a program called VSPE. Works very well. > Give me a call tomorrow to discuss. > > Dave wo2x > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Peter Dougherty > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 7:00 PM > To: 'Joe Subich, W4TV' ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY--FIXED > > Yes, you're right, and I will miss the ability to have multiple CAT connections...that's a biggie and the ability to mute the mic on .wav playback as well. I should have said that I have (almost) all the functionality that I had before for the features that I use. At this point, I'm trying to simplify things for the next couple of months, get things working reliably, then introduce an SDRPlay, Skimmer, and Win4K3 after Dayton. > > I do miss the Winkeyer's speed control knob, but I can get used to just using N1MM PageUp/Dn keyboard commands or the K3s's front panel control knob. I had a great run with the MK and MK-II over the years and yeah, there are a few things I'll miss, for sure, but the reduced complexity--both physical and software/PC related, and reduced potential for RF ingress are substantial positives as well. > > - pjd > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 3:52 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY--FIXED > > On 2019-03-21 1:52 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > > Again, a big thank you to everybody who lent a hand to this. One final > question, does the USB audio connection from the K3s separate out the > main and sub receiver audio in the same manner as using a physical > audio breakout cable two and 3.5mm plugs? > > Yes, the K3/KIO3B or K3S USB Audio CODEC behaves exactly like the K3 with analog Line In/Line Out. The USB Audio CODEC is essentially "grafted on" to the Line In/Line Out. In fact "Speaker (USB AUDIO CODEC)" is connected in parallel with the analog Line Out jack. > > Please refer to the K3S Owners Manual and the K3S schematic package on-line. > >> I seem to have all the functionality I had previously with the > > MicroKeyer-II in line > > Not by a long shot ... you no longer have a hardware based FSK, a K1EL WinKey keyer, support for multiple CAT connections (for syncing an external SDR panadapter), the ability to mute the microphone when playing an SSB voice file, access to dedicated CI-V and/or SteppIR control channel, etc. While you may not have used all those features you certainly do not have the same functionality as you had with the microKEYER II. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Thu Mar 21 21:57:50 2019 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge CX6VM) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 21:57:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote On/Off KPA-1500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <72E2F6B6-8580-4C6C-A981-FD502F7AC9D4@gmail.com> Thanks Bob Very helpful as always. I want the KPA1500, but I am afraid of bringing it so far 73, Jorge Enviado desde mi iPad El 20 mar. 2019, a la(s) 19:31, Bob Wilson, N6TV escribi?: > On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 7:39 PM Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: >> what are the diferent ways to turn KPA1500?s on/off remotely? >> >> Is there any way to turn it on/off alone, with no need to turn on/off the >> K3? > > Yes. There are at least three methods to power the KPA1500 ON/OF independently without using the REM jack on the back of KPA1500, assuming you leave the rocker switch on the back of the separate KPA1500 power supply in the ON position: > Connect the KPA1500 to a PC via USB cable. Use the KPA1500 Utility (running on a local PC) to power the amp. on and off. The KPA1500 Remote Software also has this capability. > -or- > Momentarily ground Pin 8 of the KPA1500 AUX connector. This is easily accomplished using an S-BOX or S-BOX-USB and a simple program to pulse the DTR or RTS pin of a real or virtual serial port, or you can build an equivalent circuit using a resistor and NPN transistor (same technique that is used by RemoteHams software to power up a K3 remotely with no RemoteRig box required). A KPAK3AUX cable cannot be used (no connection on Pin 8). > Use a Y-BOX v2.1 which can connect DIGOUT 1 (Pin 11) to the amplifier PIn 8, and a K3 Macro, as described in detail here. >> For example i want to turn on K3, but want to have KPA1500 off, is there any way to do that? > > Yes. See above. > > 73, > Bob, N6TV From rocketnj at gmail.com Thu Mar 21 22:02:10 2019 From: rocketnj at gmail.com (Dave) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 22:02:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY--FIXED In-Reply-To: <5d635eff-6260-bb9d-156c-ee04c2011a30@subich.com> References: <019201d4e00e$cb134a30$6139de90$@w2irt.net> <3c8ad87a-dd0c-db66-85c4-910f84495179@subich.com> <000701d4e039$d1701bd0$74505370$@w2irt.net> <01e501d4e03d$889092b0$99b1b810$@gmail.com> <5d635eff-6260-bb9d-156c-ee04c2011a30@subich.com> Message-ID: <7131A605-4124-4384-B886-2E3D2CF000C4@gmail.com> Ok, thanks Joe, Dave wo2x Sent from my iPad > On Mar 21, 2019, at 9:47 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > > YouCAN share the CAT connection from the K3S USB via a program called > > VSPE. Works very well. > > VSPE does not work well (if at all) with either N1MM Logger+ or DXLab > Suite Commander - particularly if the SDR or Omni-Rig is polling at > the same time as N1MM+ or Commander as both N1MM+ and Commander use > nearly 100% of the transceiver CAT bandwidth in order to provide the > fastest possible response (minimum lag). > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > >> On 2019-03-21 7:26 PM, rocketnj at gmail.com wrote: >> Pete, >> YouCAN share the CAT connection from the K3S USB via a program called VSPE. Works very well. >> Give me a call tomorrow to discuss. >> Dave wo2x >> -----Original Message----- >> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Peter Dougherty >> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 7:00 PM >> To: 'Joe Subich, W4TV' ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY--FIXED >> Yes, you're right, and I will miss the ability to have multiple CAT connections...that's a biggie and the ability to mute the mic on .wav playback as well. I should have said that I have (almost) all the functionality that I had before for the features that I use. At this point, I'm trying to simplify things for the next couple of months, get things working reliably, then introduce an SDRPlay, Skimmer, and Win4K3 after Dayton. >> I do miss the Winkeyer's speed control knob, but I can get used to just using N1MM PageUp/Dn keyboard commands or the K3s's front panel control knob. I had a great run with the MK and MK-II over the years and yeah, there are a few things I'll miss, for sure, but the reduced complexity--both physical and software/PC related, and reduced potential for RF ingress are substantial positives as well. >> - pjd >> -----Original Message----- >> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV >> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 3:52 PM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY--FIXED >> On 2019-03-21 1:52 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: >> > Again, a big thank you to everybody who lent a hand to this. One final > question, does the USB audio connection from the K3s separate out the > main and sub receiver audio in the same manner as using a physical > audio breakout cable two and 3.5mm plugs? >> Yes, the K3/KIO3B or K3S USB Audio CODEC behaves exactly like the K3 with analog Line In/Line Out. The USB Audio CODEC is essentially "grafted on" to the Line In/Line Out. In fact "Speaker (USB AUDIO CODEC)" is connected in parallel with the analog Line Out jack. >> Please refer to the K3S Owners Manual and the K3S schematic package on-line. >>> I seem to have all the functionality I had previously with the >> > MicroKeyer-II in line >> Not by a long shot ... you no longer have a hardware based FSK, a K1EL WinKey keyer, support for multiple CAT connections (for syncing an external SDR panadapter), the ability to mute the microphone when playing an SSB voice file, access to dedicated CI-V and/or SteppIR control channel, etc. While you may not have used all those features you certainly do not have the same functionality as you had with the microKEYER II. >> 73, >> ... Joe, W4TV > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From markmusick at outlook.com Thu Mar 21 22:04:33 2019 From: markmusick at outlook.com (Mark Musick) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 02:04:33 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY--FIXED In-Reply-To: <01e501d4e03d$889092b0$99b1b810$@gmail.com> References: <019201d4e00e$cb134a30$6139de90$@w2irt.net> <3c8ad87a-dd0c-db66-85c4-910f84495179@subich.com> <000701d4e039$d1701bd0$74505370$@w2irt.net> <01e501d4e03d$889092b0$99b1b810$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Pete will be able to share the CAT connection when he gets Win4K3Suite. Mark, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of rocketnj at gmail.com Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 23:27 To: 'Peter Dougherty' ; 'Joe Subich, W4TV' ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY--FIXED Pete, YouCAN share the CAT connection from the K3S USB via a program called VSPE. Works very well. Give me a call tomorrow to discuss. Dave wo2x -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Peter Dougherty Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 7:00 PM To: 'Joe Subich, W4TV' ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY--FIXED Yes, you're right, and I will miss the ability to have multiple CAT connections...that's a biggie and the ability to mute the mic on .wav playback as well. I should have said that I have (almost) all the functionality that I had before for the features that I use. At this point, I'm trying to simplify things for the next couple of months, get things working reliably, then introduce an SDRPlay, Skimmer, and Win4K3 after Dayton. I do miss the Winkeyer's speed control knob, but I can get used to just using N1MM PageUp/Dn keyboard commands or the K3s's front panel control knob. I had a great run with the MK and MK-II over the years and yeah, there are a few things I'll miss, for sure, but the reduced complexity--both physical and software/PC related, and reduced potential for RF ingress are substantial positives as well. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 3:52 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY--FIXED On 2019-03-21 1:52 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > Again, a big thank you to everybody who lent a hand to this. One final > question, does the USB audio connection from the K3s separate out the > main and sub receiver audio in the same manner as using a physical > audio breakout cable two and 3.5mm plugs? Yes, the K3/KIO3B or K3S USB Audio CODEC behaves exactly like the K3 with analog Line In/Line Out. The USB Audio CODEC is essentially "grafted on" to the Line In/Line Out. In fact "Speaker (USB AUDIO CODEC)" is connected in parallel with the analog Line Out jack. Please refer to the K3S Owners Manual and the K3S schematic package on-line. > I seem to have all the functionality I had previously with the > MicroKeyer-II in line Not by a long shot ... you no longer have a hardware based FSK, a K1EL WinKey keyer, support for multiple CAT connections (for syncing an external SDR panadapter), the ability to mute the microphone when playing an SSB voice file, access to dedicated CI-V and/or SteppIR control channel, etc. While you may not have used all those features you certainly do not have the same functionality as you had with the microKEYER II. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2019-03-21 1:52 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > Hi all, > Just a quick note to thank everybody here for their suggestions and help. > There were some things in the K3s that needed to be changed, but that > still left some serious issues that were definitely related to DX Labs > WinWarbler. > > DX Labs works by storing app settings in the registry, and the > registry settings for all related apps are stored in a ?workspace.? > Somehow the settings for WinWarbler had gotten corrupted. On a whim, I > restored an old known-good workspace, changed the parameters to the > new hardware configuration and after a couple of bumpy starts, everything worked fine. > I saved a new workspace with these settings, and then I went back to > the original profile, and it remained screwed up. Once again I shut > everything down, loaded the new profile that I?d just created and it?s > all good. The bad profile has now been deleted off the system and all > is once again right. > > I would definitely like to thank Barry, K3NDM for helping me out > one-on-one, ironing out the needed K3s settings, and getting RTTY > working in FLDIGI and N1MM (proving this was a DX Labs problem). > > FOUR DAYS to get this done, but at least now, with very limited > testing, I seem to have all the functionality I had previously with > the MicroKeyer-II in line?but without the extra cabling, risk of RF > ingress, and multiple virtual COM ports. > > Again, a big thank you to everybody who lent a hand to this. One final > question, does the USB audio connection from the K3s separate out the > main and sub receiver audio in the same manner as using a physical > audio breakout cable two and 3.5mm plugs? I would like to have a > second instance of MMTTY set up to receive the sub RX audio, with the > primary using only the main VFO. I used to be able to accomplish this > using left- and right-channels in the MMTTY setup, but that doesn?t > seem to work using USB. Not a major issue now that FT8 Dxpedition Mode > seems to be all the rage, but I would still like to have this functionality if possible. > > > > - pjd > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From wv8dh at yahoo.com Thu Mar 21 22:13:52 2019 From: wv8dh at yahoo.com (wv8dh) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 22:13:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Now the Fun Begins Message-ID: Hello All, I just received my new KX3 after ordering it on my birthday last Thursday. I have a lot to learn but from what i have read and seen so far it is going to be a good experience. I got all options except for the keyer as I am going to use a Bencher BY1 that I use. No contacts yet but they will come soon enough. Anyway, just wanted to say hello and hope to meet you on the air and on this reflector.72/73,Dave, WV8DHSt Albans, WVSent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone From tombewick at gmail.com Thu Mar 21 22:20:12 2019 From: tombewick at gmail.com (K2bew) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 22:20:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <20190321054940.085BE149B183@mailman.qth.net> References: <20190321054940.085BE149B183@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: This email list doesn't work that way. Follow the link at the bottom of the email to the list home URL to unsubscribe. 73, Tom On Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 1:49 AM Steve wrote: > > unsubscribe > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From barrylazar2 at gmail.com Thu Mar 21 22:22:02 2019 From: barrylazar2 at gmail.com (Barry) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 02:22:02 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY--FIXED In-Reply-To: References: <019201d4e00e$cb134a30$6139de90$@w2irt.net> <3c8ad87a-dd0c-db66-85c4-910f84495179@subich.com> <000701d4e039$d1701bd0$74505370$@w2irt.net> <01e501d4e03d$889092b0$99b1b810$@gmail.com> Message-ID: He will also need com0com, a free port replicator that runs really well with Win4K3. I have a half dozen virtual ports defined and have run with as many as 4 at a time with no noticeable issues. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Mark Musick" To: "rocketnj at gmail.com" ; "Peter Dougherty" ; "Joe Subich, W4TV" ; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: 3/21/2019 10:04:33 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY--FIXED >Pete will be able to share the CAT connection when he gets Win4K3Suite. > >Mark, WB9CIF > >-----Original Message----- >From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of rocketnj at gmail.com >Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 23:27 >To: 'Peter Dougherty' ; 'Joe Subich, W4TV' ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY--FIXED > >Pete, > >YouCAN share the CAT connection from the K3S USB via a program called VSPE. Works very well. >Give me a call tomorrow to discuss. > >Dave wo2x > > >-----Original Message----- >From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Peter Dougherty >Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 7:00 PM >To: 'Joe Subich, W4TV' ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY--FIXED > >Yes, you're right, and I will miss the ability to have multiple CAT connections...that's a biggie and the ability to mute the mic on .wav playback as well. I should have said that I have (almost) all the functionality that I had before for the features that I use. At this point, I'm trying to simplify things for the next couple of months, get things working reliably, then introduce an SDRPlay, Skimmer, and Win4K3 after Dayton. > >I do miss the Winkeyer's speed control knob, but I can get used to just using N1MM PageUp/Dn keyboard commands or the K3s's front panel control knob. I had a great run with the MK and MK-II over the years and yeah, there are a few things I'll miss, for sure, but the reduced complexity--both physical and software/PC related, and reduced potential for RF ingress are substantial positives as well. > > - pjd > >-----Original Message----- >From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV >Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 3:52 PM >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY--FIXED > >On 2019-03-21 1:52 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > > Again, a big thank you to everybody who lent a hand to this. One final > question, does the USB audio connection from the K3s separate out the > main and sub receiver audio in the same manner as using a physical > audio breakout cable two and 3.5mm plugs? > >Yes, the K3/KIO3B or K3S USB Audio CODEC behaves exactly like the K3 with analog Line In/Line Out. The USB Audio CODEC is essentially "grafted on" to the Line In/Line Out. In fact "Speaker (USB AUDIO CODEC)" is connected in parallel with the analog Line Out jack. > >Please refer to the K3S Owners Manual and the K3S schematic package on-line. > >> I seem to have all the functionality I had previously with the > > MicroKeyer-II in line > >Not by a long shot ... you no longer have a hardware based FSK, a K1EL WinKey keyer, support for multiple CAT connections (for syncing an external SDR panadapter), the ability to mute the microphone when playing an SSB voice file, access to dedicated CI-V and/or SteppIR control channel, etc. While you may not have used all those features you certainly do not have the same functionality as you had with the microKEYER II. > >73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > >On 2019-03-21 1:52 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: >> Hi all, >> Just a quick note to thank everybody here for their suggestions and help. >> There were some things in the K3s that needed to be changed, but that >> still left some serious issues that were definitely related to DX Labs >> WinWarbler. >> >> DX Labs works by storing app settings in the registry, and the >> registry settings for all related apps are stored in a ?workspace.? >> Somehow the settings for WinWarbler had gotten corrupted. On a whim, I >> restored an old known-good workspace, changed the parameters to the >> new hardware configuration and after a couple of bumpy starts, everything worked fine. >> I saved a new workspace with these settings, and then I went back to >> the original profile, and it remained screwed up. Once again I shut >> everything down, loaded the new profile that I?d just created and it?s >> all good. The bad profile has now been deleted off the system and all >> is once again right. >> >> I would definitely like to thank Barry, K3NDM for helping me out >> one-on-one, ironing out the needed K3s settings, and getting RTTY >> working in FLDIGI and N1MM (proving this was a DX Labs problem). >> >> FOUR DAYS to get this done, but at least now, with very limited >> testing, I seem to have all the functionality I had previously with >> the MicroKeyer-II in line?but without the extra cabling, risk of RF >> ingress, and multiple virtual COM ports. >> >> Again, a big thank you to everybody who lent a hand to this. One final >> question, does the USB audio connection from the K3s separate out the >> main and sub receiver audio in the same manner as using a physical >> audio breakout cable two and 3.5mm plugs? I would like to have a >> second instance of MMTTY set up to receive the sub RX audio, with the >> primary using only the main VFO. I used to be able to accomplish this >> using left- and right-channels in the MMTTY setup, but that doesn?t >> seem to work using USB. Not a major issue now that FT8 Dxpedition Mode >> seems to be all the rage, but I would still like to have this functionality if possible. >> >> >> >> - pjd >> > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From lists at w2irt.net Thu Mar 21 22:39:32 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 22:39:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY--FIXED In-Reply-To: References: <019201d4e00e$cb134a30$6139de90$@w2irt.net> <3c8ad87a-dd0c-db66-85c4-910f84495179@subich.com> <000701d4e039$d1701bd0$74505370$@w2irt.net> <01e501d4e03d$889092b0$99b1b810$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000901d4e058$7be9f0e0$73bdd2a0$@w2irt.net> For the moment, with all the new, recent configuration changes, I'm just going to keep things simple for the next two months, and ensure reliability across all active bands and modes, putting out any fires as they crop up. When I'm satisfied that the system is working well, my next goal will be an SDRPlay, Win4K3, and connecting my Skimmer to the K3s. I expect more headaches in doing so, but I'm hoping the end result will be worth it. I didn't have great luck with an LP-PAN2 due to it's limited bandwidth and horrible birdie problem. I'm probably going to pull the trigger on all that stuff at Dayton. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: Barry Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 10:22 PM To: Mark Musick ; rocketnj at gmail.com; Peter Dougherty ; Joe Subich, W4TV ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY--FIXED He will also need com0com, a free port replicator that runs really well with Win4K3. I have a half dozen virtual ports defined and have run with as many as 4 at a time with no noticeable issues. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Mark Musick" To: "rocketnj at gmail.com" ; "Peter Dougherty" ; "Joe Subich, W4TV" ; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: 3/21/2019 10:04:33 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY--FIXED >Pete will be able to share the CAT connection when he gets Win4K3Suite. > >Mark, WB9CIF > >-----Original Message----- >From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > On Behalf Of rocketnj at gmail.com >Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 23:27 >To: 'Peter Dougherty' ; 'Joe Subich, W4TV' >; elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY--FIXED > >Pete, > >YouCAN share the CAT connection from the K3S USB via a program called VSPE. Works very well. >Give me a call tomorrow to discuss. > >Dave wo2x > > >-----Original Message----- >From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > On Behalf Of Peter Dougherty >Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 7:00 PM >To: 'Joe Subich, W4TV' ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY--FIXED > >Yes, you're right, and I will miss the ability to have multiple CAT connections...that's a biggie and the ability to mute the mic on .wav playback as well. I should have said that I have (almost) all the functionality that I had before for the features that I use. At this point, I'm trying to simplify things for the next couple of months, get things working reliably, then introduce an SDRPlay, Skimmer, and Win4K3 after Dayton. > >I do miss the Winkeyer's speed control knob, but I can get used to just using N1MM PageUp/Dn keyboard commands or the K3s's front panel control knob. I had a great run with the MK and MK-II over the years and yeah, there are a few things I'll miss, for sure, but the reduced complexity--both physical and software/PC related, and reduced potential for RF ingress are substantial positives as well. > > - pjd > >-----Original Message----- >From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV >Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 3:52 PM >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY--FIXED > >On 2019-03-21 1:52 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > > Again, a big thank you to everybody who lent a hand to this. One final > question, does the USB audio connection from the K3s separate out the > main and sub receiver audio in the same manner as using a physical > audio breakout cable two and 3.5mm plugs? > >Yes, the K3/KIO3B or K3S USB Audio CODEC behaves exactly like the K3 with analog Line In/Line Out. The USB Audio CODEC is essentially "grafted on" to the Line In/Line Out. In fact "Speaker (USB AUDIO CODEC)" is connected in parallel with the analog Line Out jack. > >Please refer to the K3S Owners Manual and the K3S schematic package on-line. > >> I seem to have all the functionality I had previously with the > > MicroKeyer-II in line > >Not by a long shot ... you no longer have a hardware based FSK, a K1EL WinKey keyer, support for multiple CAT connections (for syncing an external SDR panadapter), the ability to mute the microphone when playing an SSB voice file, access to dedicated CI-V and/or SteppIR control channel, etc. While you may not have used all those features you certainly do not have the same functionality as you had with the microKEYER II. > >73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > >On 2019-03-21 1:52 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: >> Hi all, >> Just a quick note to thank everybody here for their suggestions and help. >> There were some things in the K3s that needed to be changed, but >> that still left some serious issues that were definitely related to >> DX Labs WinWarbler. >> >> DX Labs works by storing app settings in the registry, and the >> registry settings for all related apps are stored in a ?workspace.? >> Somehow the settings for WinWarbler had gotten corrupted. On a whim, >> I restored an old known-good workspace, changed the parameters to >> the new hardware configuration and after a couple of bumpy starts, everything worked fine. >> I saved a new workspace with these settings, and then I went back to >> the original profile, and it remained screwed up. Once again I shut >> everything down, loaded the new profile that I?d just created and >> it?s all good. The bad profile has now been deleted off the system >> and all is once again right. >> >> I would definitely like to thank Barry, K3NDM for helping me out >> one-on-one, ironing out the needed K3s settings, and getting RTTY >> working in FLDIGI and N1MM (proving this was a DX Labs problem). >> >> FOUR DAYS to get this done, but at least now, with very limited >> testing, I seem to have all the functionality I had previously with >> the MicroKeyer-II in line?but without the extra cabling, risk of RF >> ingress, and multiple virtual COM ports. >> >> Again, a big thank you to everybody who lent a hand to this. One >> final question, does the USB audio connection from the K3s separate >> out the main and sub receiver audio in the same manner as using a >> physical audio breakout cable two and 3.5mm plugs? I would like to >> have a second instance of MMTTY set up to receive the sub RX audio, >> with the primary using only the main VFO. I used to be able to >> accomplish this using left- and right-channels in the MMTTY setup, >> but that doesn?t seem to work using USB. Not a major issue now that >> FT8 Dxpedition Mode seems to be all the rage, but I would still like to have this functionality if possible. >> >> >> >> - pjd >> > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From rsmart at netaccess.co.nz Thu Mar 21 23:28:13 2019 From: rsmart at netaccess.co.nz (Richard Smart) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 16:28:13 +1300 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 to the field Message-ID: A plastic container with clip on lid and some lightweight foam plastic sheeting with cutouts for knobs and connectors to act as packing. The rest of the kit just goes in the backpack with the plastic container for SOTA activations. The plastic container was a cheap lightweight KMart (equivalent to Walmart?) container. Cheers Richard ZL4FZ > On 22/03/2019, at 06:23, Bryan Nehl wrote: > > I'm thinking about taking my K2/10 out for POTA/SOTA ops which involve some hiking.Mine has the extra heavy duty extended side panels. I'll be taking a fiberglass pole, microphone, paddle, headphones and battery in addition to other basic day hike stuff. > I'm wondering how other people have transported their K2 to the field?Just throw it in the pack? Dry bag? Padded bag or case? Use something commercial off the shelf or fabricate a carrier? > 72 de Bryan, k0emt > From frantz at pwpconsult.com Fri Mar 22 01:46:59 2019 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 22:46:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Possible P3 UI Improvements Message-ID: I've been wondering whether to send this email to the main list or to the developer list. I decided on the main list to get a broader reaction to the suggestions. ---------------------------- I fell in love with my P3 as soon as I finished putting it together. However, I did find the UI to be a bit klunky. Then I used a Flex radio during CQP and realized how easy it was to use its panadapter using the touch screen to set the center and span. I started thinking about how the P3 could be made easier, without replacing the screen with a touch screen. I'll divide my suggestions into ones that may require hardware changes, and ones that should be a "Simple matter of programming" (SMOP). It should be noted that I always operate in FixTrack mode, so the display doesn't move when I tune. Things that might require hardware changes: When changing the display parameters (e.g. center, span, etc.) redisplay the old data in the new format to the bottom of the screen as the change is being made. This continuous redisplay is part of the Flex's ease of use. It probably requires significant memory and processing power to save the RF samples used to create the display, which may require a hardware upgrade. SMOP changes: The main controls for adjusting the view are Center and Span. With FixTrack mode on, I don't really care about the center location, I care about the edges. When trying to work a pileup, I usually put VFO A on the DX and VFO B on the other side of the pileup and then start adjusting the view. Sometimes getting this right takes several trips through Center and Span. Being able to assign a button the function of setting the span just a bit larger than the distance between the two VFOs and the center to the middle frequency between them would make it a lot easier. I need some extra space to allow fine tuning on the DX without changing the P3 settings. I think this boils down to Center := (VFO_A + VFO_B)/2 and Span = abs(VFO_A - VFO_B)*1.1, where the 1.1 may need to be adjusted with real life experience. Since in most pileup situations, we want to keep the DX near the left (for working up) or right (for working down) edge of the screen, it should be possible to keep VFO A in a constant screen position while changing the span. I like to run with a span of 100 KHz for a quick look at the band before I zero in on a signal of interest. Note that 100 KHz span will cover all of 17M and 12M and 50 KHz works nicely on 30M. However, when I finish with a zoomed in display and press my 100 KHz or 50 KHz buttons, the display frequently shows frequencies outside the band. It should be possible to limit the displayed area to the band of interest. For ham use, limiting the display to the ham bands would be quite useful. When operating with the K3/K3S, the band extents could be read from the limits programmed into the transceiver. In any case, programming the bands would not be too hard with the aid of the utility, and relatively permanent given the speed of getting changes through the FCC. I think this boils down to: IF (VFO_A is in a band && VFO_A - (span/2) is not in the same band) Center := bottom of band + (span/2) The P3 should remember the view by band and always come back to the last view on that band when changing bands. I frequently lose my 18.068 to 18.168 view when changing to 17M, particularly when using CAT commands via wsjt-x. When the P3 must change the view, it should try to keep both VFO A and VFO B on the screen if the span will allow. It is much more likely to be useful than an arbitrary choice of frequency based on an integral multiple of the span. 73 Bill AE6JV --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | "I wish there was a knob on the TV to turn up the 408-356-8506 | intelligence. There's a knob called "brightness", but www.pwpconsult.com | it doesn't work. -- Gallagher From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Fri Mar 22 04:22:20 2019 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 10:22:20 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Possible P3 UI Improvements In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12c95ad3-75da-5ad1-61ef-cafc953f386b@gmail.com> Here is a macro that I use to get into "Pileup Mode." This one is for small pileups of 5 kHz or less. I also have defined macros for 10 and 20 kHz pileups. The last two instructions are for the P3. Note that you have to use a program of some sort to send the instructions, because the p3 doesn't respond to commands assigned to PFKs in the K3. The K3 Utility can do it. I use the command facility built into the DXLabs Commander. SWT13; Match VFOs freq and mode SWT13; FT1; Activate SPLIT UPB5; Move VFO B up 2 kHz from A SB1; Turn on SubRx BW$0045; Set SubRX bandwith to 450 Hz. #spn000050; Set P3 span to 5 kHz. #rcf+002000; Set P3 center frequency so that DX will be placed near the left side of the span. I also have a macro called "unpile". It is more complicated. It turns off Split and Sub, and then determines the band I'm on and sets Center and Span as needed to display the whole CW band. This is also useful when the P3 forgets its settings. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO CWops no. 5 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 22 Mar 2019 07:46, Bill Frantz wrote: > I've been wondering whether to send this email to the main list or to > the developer list. I decided on the main list to get a broader reaction > to the suggestions. > > ---------------------------- > > I fell in love with my P3 as soon as I finished putting it together. > However, I did find the UI to be a bit klunky. Then I used a Flex radio > during CQP and realized how easy it was to use its panadapter using the > touch screen to set the center and span. I started thinking about how > the P3 could be made easier, without replacing the screen with a touch > screen. I'll divide my suggestions into ones that may require hardware > changes, and ones that should be a "Simple matter of programming" (SMOP). > > It should be noted that I always operate in FixTrack mode, so the > display doesn't move when I tune. > > Things that might require hardware changes: > > When changing the display parameters (e.g. center, span, etc.) redisplay > the old data in the new format to the bottom of the screen as the change > is being made. This continuous redisplay is part of the Flex's ease of > use. It probably requires significant memory and processing power to > save the RF samples used to create the display, which may require a > hardware upgrade. > > > SMOP changes: > > The main controls for adjusting the view are Center and Span. With > FixTrack mode on, I don't really care about the center location, I care > about the edges. When trying to work a pileup, I usually put VFO A on > the DX and VFO B on the other side of the pileup and then start > adjusting the view. Sometimes getting this right takes several trips > through Center and Span. Being able to assign a button the function of > setting the span just a bit larger than the distance between the two > VFOs and the center to the middle frequency between them would make it a > lot easier. I need some extra space to allow fine tuning on the DX > without changing the P3 settings. > > I think this boils down to Center := (VFO_A + VFO_B)/2 and Span = > abs(VFO_A - VFO_B)*1.1, where the 1.1 may need to be adjusted with real > life experience. > > > Since in most pileup situations, we want to keep the DX near the left > (for working up) or right (for working down) edge of the screen, it > should be possible to keep VFO A in a constant screen position while > changing the span. > > > I like to run with a span of 100 KHz for a quick look at the band before > I zero in on a signal of interest. Note that 100 KHz span will cover all > of 17M and 12M and 50 KHz works nicely on 30M. However, when I finish > with a zoomed in display and press my 100 KHz or 50 KHz buttons, the > display frequently shows frequencies outside the band. > > It should be possible to limit the displayed area to the band of > interest. For ham use, limiting the display to the ham bands would be > quite useful. When operating with the K3/K3S, the band extents could be > read from the limits programmed into the transceiver. In any case, > programming the bands would not be too hard with the aid of the utility, > and relatively permanent given the speed of getting changes through the > FCC. > > I think this boils down to: IF (VFO_A is in a band && VFO_A - (span/2) > is not in the same band) Center := bottom of band + (span/2) > > > The P3 should remember the view by band and always come back to the last > view on that band when changing bands. I frequently lose my 18.068 to > 18.168 view when changing to 17M, particularly when using CAT commands > via wsjt-x. When the P3 must change the view, it should try to keep both > VFO A and VFO B on the screen if the span will allow. It is much more > likely to be useful than an arbitrary choice of frequency based on an > integral multiple of the span. > > 73 Bill AE6JV From djwilcox01 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 22 05:07:42 2019 From: djwilcox01 at yahoo.com (David Wilcox) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 05:07:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New K1 user In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B9945B7-9F2E-454F-8E40-188C26A41A66@yahoo.com> Doesn?t it feel good! I was very happy over the years to snag a KX1, K1, and then a K2. What beautiful rigs. Then I was able to buy back my first TenTec Argo 515..... nothing sounded so sweet to my ears. Then stumbled on a second 515...... couldn?t turn it down as they are so rare anymore (hoarded by nuts like me). I have newer rigs that are a joy to use but there is an emotional side to ham radio too and those old rigs just tickle my old brain, impaired hearing and all. Just picture a 1968 Mustang with an Argonaut 515 sitting on the hump with the TenTec 50 w amp bungee corded on top feeding a Hustler mobile vertical on 75 meters back in the 1970?s...... all with Estes Engineering marine engine noise suppression kit on the V8....... had a ball. For those that think this is all nostalgic foolishness....... well, it may be but thanks for listening. Dave K8WPE since 1960. David J. Wilcox K8WPE?s iPad > On Mar 21, 2019, at 11:21 AM, Frank Krozel wrote: > > So I dropped by a friend?s place today to buy my old K2/100 back. (now I have an extra K2 with most options?. LOL) and I snagged a K1. > Never owned one in the past. Just need to pick up the noise blanker and the internal battery tray, etc. > > Curious has anyone ever tried the ?just 9V battery? for operation? > > de KG9H, Frank > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From hullspeed21 at gmail.com Fri Mar 22 06:24:18 2019 From: hullspeed21 at gmail.com (Warren Merkel) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 06:24:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3 / K3s] Both TX Inhibit and Remote Power On ability? Message-ID: <4b1471c1-e2bf-d4e6-0330-16f01ab51e59@gmail.com> Given:? CONFIG: TX INH I would like to be able to control TX Inhibit externally from a my custom antenna controller, yet retain the ability to power up the K3 via the RCForb RemoteHams method. Given that the TX Inhibit and the Remote Power On features share the same ACC pin 7 and are mutually exclusive, has anyone found a way to have both abilities simultaneously ? Sure, one can add relays inline with all PTT control paths, but that doesn't handle the situation if VOX is enabled. Warren Merkel, KD4Z From dave at nk7z.net Fri Mar 22 08:53:32 2019 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 05:53:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Possible P3 UI Improvements In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I found the same, so I put together a process of using an external keypad to control the K3. I use a Genovation 64 key keypad, and can fire macros at the K3/P3 using it. See: https://www.nk7z.net/adding-external-keypad-k3/ I also have a spread sheet about half way down, under "Tips", that has a few macros in it, one of which is for splitting/unsplitting the K3/P3. The keypad gives me 63 macros I can fire, it is great for contesting... 73s and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Technical Specialist ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL OOC for Oregon On 3/21/19 10:46 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > I've been wondering whether to send this email to the main list or to > the developer list. I decided on the main list to get a broader reaction > to the suggestions. > > ---------------------------- > > I fell in love with my P3 as soon as I finished putting it together. > However, I did find the UI to be a bit klunky. Then I used a Flex radio > during CQP and realized how easy it was to use its panadapter using the > touch screen to set the center and span. I started thinking about how > the P3 could be made easier, without replacing the screen with a touch > screen. I'll divide my suggestions into ones that may require hardware > changes, and ones that should be a "Simple matter of programming" (SMOP). > > It should be noted that I always operate in FixTrack mode, so the > display doesn't move when I tune. > > Things that might require hardware changes: > > When changing the display parameters (e.g. center, span, etc.) redisplay > the old data in the new format to the bottom of the screen as the change > is being made. This continuous redisplay is part of the Flex's ease of > use. It probably requires significant memory and processing power to > save the RF samples used to create the display, which may require a > hardware upgrade. > > > SMOP changes: > > The main controls for adjusting the view are Center and Span. With > FixTrack mode on, I don't really care about the center location, I care > about the edges. When trying to work a pileup, I usually put VFO A on > the DX and VFO B on the other side of the pileup and then start > adjusting the view. Sometimes getting this right takes several trips > through Center and Span. Being able to assign a button the function of > setting the span just a bit larger than the distance between the two > VFOs and the center to the middle frequency between them would make it a > lot easier. I need some extra space to allow fine tuning on the DX > without changing the P3 settings. > > I think this boils down to Center := (VFO_A + VFO_B)/2 and Span = > abs(VFO_A - VFO_B)*1.1, where the 1.1 may need to be adjusted with real > life experience. > > > Since in most pileup situations, we want to keep the DX near the left > (for working up) or right (for working down) edge of the screen, it > should be possible to keep VFO A in a constant screen position while > changing the span. > > > I like to run with a span of 100 KHz for a quick look at the band before > I zero in on a signal of interest. Note that 100 KHz span will cover all > of 17M and 12M and 50 KHz works nicely on 30M. However, when I finish > with a zoomed in display and press my 100 KHz or 50 KHz buttons, the > display frequently shows frequencies outside the band. > > It should be possible to limit the displayed area to the band of > interest. For ham use, limiting the display to the ham bands would be > quite useful. When operating with the K3/K3S, the band extents could be > read from the limits programmed into the transceiver. In any case, > programming the bands would not be too hard with the aid of the utility, > and relatively permanent given the speed of getting changes through the > FCC. > > I think this boils down to: IF (VFO_A is in a band && VFO_A - (span/2) > is not in the same band) Center := bottom of band + (span/2) > > > The P3 should remember the view by band and always come back to the last > view on that band when changing bands. I frequently lose my 18.068 to > 18.168 view when changing to 17M, particularly when using CAT commands > via wsjt-x. When the P3 must change the view, it should try to keep both > VFO A and VFO B on the screen if the span will allow. It is much more > likely to be useful than an arbitrary choice of frequency based on an > integral multiple of the span. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz??????? | "I wish there was a knob on the TV to turn up the > 408-356-8506?????? | intelligence.? There's a knob called "brightness", but > www.pwpconsult.com | it doesn't work. -- Gallagher > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From tim.n9puz at gmail.com Fri Mar 22 10:51:52 2019 From: tim.n9puz at gmail.com (Tim N9PUZ) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 09:51:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Input Current vs Output Power Message-ID: Is there a chart or formula that describes the input current required for a KXPA100 amplifier at various power output levels? In a battery operation scenario I'm curious about the current draw at say 50W output vs. 100W output. Tim N9PUZ From ke8g.jim at gmail.com Fri Mar 22 11:59:33 2019 From: ke8g.jim at gmail.com (KE8G) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 11:59:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sub Receiver stopped working Message-ID: Hi All, I need some suggestions on where to start trouble shooting. I looked at Nabble and I have checked all that is listed there and no luck. The sub receiver was working perfectly. I took the radio apart to add some new filters to the sub receiver. It originally had two of them; configured as 2.8Khz, then a 400Hz right next to it, and then 3 blank slots. I removed the 400Hz, the the filters are in the following order; 2.8Khz, blank slot, 1.0Hz, 400Hz, and finally 250Hz in the 5th slot. I used the K3 utility to configure them, with the appropriate settings for each filter. When using the radio, I have both the main and sub receiver on the Main antenna. If I tune to a strong signal on the band, using just the main receiver, I hear on both sides of the headphones. When I engage the sub receiver, I still hear the signal in the left ear, but the right ear goes to just white noise. When the sub receiver is engaged, I can hear sounds in the left ear when pushing any buttons on the radio. I am somewhat stumped, as I was very diligent in disassembly and then re-assembling it. Using most current firmware, 5.66. Please advise. 73 de Jim - KE8G From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Mar 22 12:14:47 2019 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 09:14:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Legacy = Low Latency: FSK-D mode Message-ID: <733B5BE6-0FA6-4F36-9E16-BB43802A13EA@elecraft.com> If you're a new owner of a K3, K3S, KX3 or KX2 -- or if, like most of us, you never quite made it all the way through the owner's manual -- you might not have tried our FSK-D mode. This is one of our favorite features. It gives you an amazingly simple way to dabble in amateur radio's original yet still actively used data mode: RTTY. As embodied in our FSK-D mode, RTTY has two major advantages over FT8, JT9, and similar computer-mediated modes...but first some background. * * * RTTY (radio teletype) has a long, colorful history. The basic encoding and transmission methods were invented in the 1800s, and were later used by wireline news services as well as for wartime comms. It has been in use by hams since around the end of WWII, who took advantage of surplus military teleprinters. For more on this, see: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioteletype#Early_amateur_radioteletype_history As a teenager in the 1970s I had a Teletype Corp Model 15. This page shows some examples of what this beast looked like: http://www.baudot.net/teletype/M15.htm In my shack, the Model 15 and all of its associated paraphernalia took up most of a workbench. It made a huge racket and consumed reams of paper, not to mention oil. Sadly, I never did get everything working properly and never made an QSO with it. Yet my fascination with RTTY continued. When we designed the K3, my interest was rekindled, and we endowed it with the ability to decode and encode 45-baud RTTY signals. The DSP handled demodulation, while the MCU assembled character bit streams. (We later added 75-baud RTTY as well as PSK31 and PSK63 modes.) Lyle Johnson (KK7P) and I had quite a bit of fun when we first got decode working. Speaking strictly for both of us, tuning around between 14.080 and 14.100 during an RTTY contest was like being a teenager all over again. We quickly added the ability to transmit in this mode using the CW keyer paddle and message memories. The upshot is that I finally had my first RTTY QSO, doing it the hard way -- writing a good chunk of the firmware that made it possible. Here's the importing thing: our K-Line/KX-Line implementation of RTTY makes it incredibly simple to use. It's nearly foolproof. The setup details vary a bit among the rigs, but basically you select DATA mode, then FSK-D sub-mode, and turn text decode on. Then just tune around in the RTTY band segments until you see signals start to decode. If you're a CW op, you can immediately transmit in RTTY mode by simply sending CW. If not, you can connect a netbook or laptop to your rig (via a USB port), then use the Terminal window in K3/KX3/KX2 Utility along with the keyboard. The Utility for each rig includes instructions for using the Terminal window. * * * Earlier I claimed that RTTY operation using our FSK-D mode has some advantages over FT8, etc. Here they are: 1. You don't necessarily need a computer. Decoded and encoded text scrolls across the radio's display. At your home station, this is great for simply tuning around casually; no need to turn on the computer or set up software applications. It's an even bigger advantage for field operation. With the KX3 or KX2, you can use RTTY (or PSK31/63) from essentially anywhere, even operating hand-held. During Field Day and RTTY contests, I make a point of taking a hike and making a few RTTY Q's pedestrian mobile (/PM). When a band is open, you can work the world in these modes. (For some of us, it doesn't get much better than this :) 2. Our FSK-D and PSK-D modes are *conversational*, with no restrictions on what you can send, no software delays or time synchronization, no predetermined frequencies, and a natural style of interaction as with CW or SSB. The receiver is automatically configured for a narrow passband, so you simply tune in a signal until you start seeing decoded text -- often a CQ -- then respond with the keyer paddle, or with the keyboard on your netbook/laptop, if applicable. As you can see, we've come a long way from the Model 15, paper, oil, noise, and complex terminal hardware. In addition to using the display on the rig itself, our panadapters can be used. Text can be displayed on our P3-SVGA display, as well as on the PX3. A keyboard can be connected to either the P3 or PX3. Next time you're listening on 20 meters, the most popular band for RTTY, take a quick spin above 14.080. If you hear some of those magical tones, turn on FSK-D mode and give this mode a try. Many DXpeditions have an RTTY station operating during some periods, so you'll often hear RTTY ops making DX contacts. In general, RTTY DX stations are quickly "spotted" when they pop up, so mini-pileups can form at any time. There are also a number of RTTY contests, in addition to stations operating in RTTY mode during Field Day, etc. For a calendar of events, see: https://www.rttycontesting.com/records/ If the contest exchange is simple (non-serialized), you can probably operate entirely using the message memories. On the KX2, CW and data-mode contacts can also be logged using the rig's built-in logging function, then uploaded to a computer when you get home. 73, Wayne N6KR From kengkopp at gmail.com Fri Mar 22 12:26:12 2019 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 10:26:12 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: RTTY Nostalgia In-Reply-To: <733B5BE6-0FA6-4F36-9E16-BB43802A13EA@elecraft.com> References: <733B5BE6-0FA6-4F36-9E16-BB43802A13EA@elecraft.com> Message-ID: I had a Teletype Model 26 attached to a BC-610E. Cat slept on top for warmth. 73 ! K0PP On Fri, Mar 22, 2019, 10:15 AM Wayne Burdick wrote: > If you're a new owner of a K3, K3S, KX3 or KX2 -- or if, like most of us, > you never quite made it all the way through the owner's manual -- you might > not have tried our FSK-D mode. This is one of our favorite features. It > gives you an amazingly simple way to dabble in amateur radio's original yet > still actively used data mode: RTTY. As embodied in our FSK-D mode, RTTY > has two major advantages over FT8, JT9, and similar computer-mediated > modes...but first some background. > > * * * > > RTTY (radio teletype) has a long, colorful history. The basic encoding and > transmission methods were invented in the 1800s, and were later used by > wireline news services as well as for wartime comms. It has been in use by > hams since around the end of WWII, who took advantage of surplus military > teleprinters. For more on this, see: > > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioteletype#Early_amateur_radioteletype_history > > As a teenager in the 1970s I had a Teletype Corp Model 15. This page shows > some examples of what this beast looked like: > > http://www.baudot.net/teletype/M15.htm > > In my shack, the Model 15 and all of its associated paraphernalia took up > most of a workbench. It made a huge racket and consumed reams of paper, not > to mention oil. Sadly, I never did get everything working properly and > never made an QSO with it. Yet my fascination with RTTY continued. > > When we designed the K3, my interest was rekindled, and we endowed it with > the ability to decode and encode 45-baud RTTY signals. The DSP handled > demodulation, while the MCU assembled character bit streams. (We later > added 75-baud RTTY as well as PSK31 and PSK63 modes.) > > Lyle Johnson (KK7P) and I had quite a bit of fun when we first got decode > working. Speaking strictly for both of us, tuning around between 14.080 and > 14.100 during an RTTY contest was like being a teenager all over again. We > quickly added the ability to transmit in this mode using the CW keyer > paddle and message memories. The upshot is that I finally had my first RTTY > QSO, doing it the hard way -- writing a good chunk of the firmware that > made it possible. > > Here's the importing thing: our K-Line/KX-Line implementation of RTTY > makes it incredibly simple to use. It's nearly foolproof. The setup details > vary a bit among the rigs, but basically you select DATA mode, then FSK-D > sub-mode, and turn text decode on. Then just tune around in the RTTY band > segments until you see signals start to decode. > > If you're a CW op, you can immediately transmit in RTTY mode by simply > sending CW. If not, you can connect a netbook or laptop to your rig (via a > USB port), then use the Terminal window in K3/KX3/KX2 Utility along with > the keyboard. The Utility for each rig includes instructions for using the > Terminal window. > > * * * > > Earlier I claimed that RTTY operation using our FSK-D mode has some > advantages over FT8, etc. Here they are: > > 1. You don't necessarily need a computer. Decoded and encoded text scrolls > across the radio's display. At your home station, this is great for simply > tuning around casually; no need to turn on the computer or set up software > applications. It's an even bigger advantage for field operation. With the > KX3 or KX2, you can use RTTY (or PSK31/63) from essentially anywhere, even > operating hand-held. During Field Day and RTTY contests, I make a point of > taking a hike and making a few RTTY Q's pedestrian mobile (/PM). When a > band is open, you can work the world in these modes. (For some of us, it > doesn't get much better than this :) > > 2. Our FSK-D and PSK-D modes are *conversational*, with no restrictions on > what you can send, no software delays or time synchronization, no > predetermined frequencies, and a natural style of interaction as with CW or > SSB. The receiver is automatically configured for a narrow passband, so you > simply tune in a signal until you start seeing decoded text -- often a CQ > -- then respond with the keyer paddle, or with the keyboard on your > netbook/laptop, if applicable. > > As you can see, we've come a long way from the Model 15, paper, oil, > noise, and complex terminal hardware. In addition to using the display on > the rig itself, our panadapters can be used. Text can be displayed on our > P3-SVGA display, as well as on the PX3. A keyboard can be connected to > either the P3 or PX3. > > Next time you're listening on 20 meters, the most popular band for RTTY, > take a quick spin above 14.080. If you hear some of those magical tones, > turn on FSK-D mode and give this mode a try. > > Many DXpeditions have an RTTY station operating during some periods, so > you'll often hear RTTY ops making DX contacts. In general, RTTY DX stations > are quickly "spotted" when they pop up, so mini-pileups can form at any > time. > > There are also a number of RTTY contests, in addition to stations > operating in RTTY mode during Field Day, etc. For a calendar of events, see: > > https://www.rttycontesting.com/records/ > > If the contest exchange is simple (non-serialized), you can probably > operate entirely using the message memories. On the KX2, CW and data-mode > contacts can also be logged using the rig's built-in logging function, then > uploaded to a computer when you get home. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk Fri Mar 22 12:35:21 2019 From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 13:35:21 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Input Current vs Output Power In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3d663554-2c9c-dba0-55fb-3106cb8a9a9b@horizon.co.fk> Is measuring it out of the question? Regards, Mike VP8NO On 22/03/2019 11:51, Tim N9PUZ wrote: > Is there a chart or formula that describes the input current required for a > KXPA100 amplifier at various power output levels? In a battery operation > scenario I'm curious about the current draw at say 50W output vs. 100W > output. > > Tim N9PUZ From hbjr at optilink.us Fri Mar 22 12:43:22 2019 From: hbjr at optilink.us (Hank) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 12:43:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Legacy = Low Latency: FSK-D mode In-Reply-To: <733B5BE6-0FA6-4F36-9E16-BB43802A13EA@elecraft.com> References: <733B5BE6-0FA6-4F36-9E16-BB43802A13EA@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <8bb1bd92f64d798f5f5c52e079637913@optilink.us> I used my k3s in the bartg RTTY contest using "internal" decoding/encoding and also my trusty PK-232sc+ connected to the the K3s's FSK port using DXLAbs-WinWarbler. Was asked during the contest if I had a real baudot clicker! Hank K4HYJ -----Original Message----- > From: "Wayne Burdick" > To: "Elecraft Reflector" > Cc: KX3 at yahoogroups.com > Date: 03/22/19 12:15 > Subject: [Elecraft] Legacy = Low Latency: FSK-D mode > > If you're a new owner of a K3, K3S, KX3 or KX2 -- or if, like most of us, you never quite made it all the way through the owner's manual -- you might not have tried our FSK-D mode. This is one of our favorite features. It gives you an amazingly simple way to dabble in amateur radio's original yet still actively used data mode: RTTY. As embodied in our FSK-D mode, RTTY has two major advantages over FT8, JT9, and similar computer-mediated modes...but first some background. > > * * * > > RTTY (radio teletype) has a long, colorful history. The basic encoding and transmission methods were invented in the 1800s, and were later used by wireline news services as well as for wartime comms. It has been in use by hams since around the end of WWII, who took advantage of surplus military teleprinters. For more on this, see: > > ? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioteletype#Early_amateur_radioteletype_history > > As a teenager in the 1970s I had a Teletype Corp Model 15. This page shows some examples of what this beast looked like: > > ? http://www.baudot.net/teletype/M15.htm > > In my shack, the Model 15 and all of its associated paraphernalia took up most of a workbench. It made a huge racket and consumed reams of paper, not to mention oil. Sadly, I never did get everything working properly and never made an QSO with it. Yet my fascination with RTTY continued. > > When we designed the K3, my interest was rekindled, and we endowed it with the ability to decode and encode 45-baud RTTY signals. The DSP handled demodulation, while the MCU assembled character bit streams. (We later added 75-baud RTTY as well as PSK31 and PSK63 modes.) > > Lyle Johnson (KK7P) and I had quite a bit of fun when we first got decode working. Speaking strictly for both of us, tuning around between 14.080 and 14.100 during an RTTY contest was like being a teenager all over again. We quickly added the ability to transmit in this mode using the CW keyer paddle and message memories. The upshot is that I finally had my first RTTY QSO, doing it the hard way -- writing a good chunk of the firmware that made it possible. > > Here's the importing thing: our K-Line/KX-Line implementation of RTTY makes it incredibly simple to use. It's nearly foolproof. The setup details vary a bit among the rigs, but basically you select DATA mode, then FSK-D sub-mode, and turn text decode on. Then just tune around in the RTTY band segments until you see signals start to decode. > > If you're a CW op, you can immediately transmit in RTTY mode by simply sending CW. If not, you can connect a netbook or laptop to your rig (via a USB port), then use the Terminal window in K3/KX3/KX2 Utility along with the keyboard. The Utility for each rig includes instructions for using the Terminal window. > > * * * > > Earlier I claimed that RTTY operation using our FSK-D mode has some advantages over FT8, etc. Here they are: > > 1. You don't necessarily need a computer. Decoded and encoded text scrolls across the radio's display. At your home station, this is great for simply tuning around casually; no need to turn on the computer or set up software applications. It's an even bigger advantage for field operation. With the KX3 or KX2, you can use RTTY (or PSK31/63) from essentially anywhere, even operating hand-held. During Field Day and RTTY contests, I make a point of taking a hike and making a few RTTY Q's pedestrian mobile (/PM). When a band is open, you can work the world in these modes. (For some of us, it doesn't get much better than this :) > > 2. Our FSK-D and PSK-D modes are *conversational*, with no restrictions on what you can send, no software delays or time synchronization, no predetermined frequencies, and a natural style of interaction as with CW or SSB. The receiver is automatically configured for a narrow passband, so you simply tune in a signal until you start seeing decoded text -- often a CQ -- then respond with the keyer paddle, or with the keyboard on your netbook/laptop, if applicable. > > As you can see, we've come a long way from the Model 15, paper, oil, noise, and complex terminal hardware. In addition to using the display on the rig itself, our panadapters can be used. Text can be displayed on our P3-SVGA display, as well as on the PX3. A keyboard can be connected to either the P3 or PX3. > > Next time you're listening on 20 meters, the most popular band for RTTY, take a quick spin above 14.080. If you hear some of those magical tones, turn on FSK-D mode and give this mode a try. > > Many DXpeditions have an RTTY station operating during some periods, so you'll often hear RTTY ops making DX contacts. In general, RTTY DX stations are quickly "spotted" when they pop up, so mini-pileups can form at any time. > > There are also a number of RTTY contests, in addition to stations operating in RTTY mode during Field Day, etc. For a calendar of events, see: > > ? ?https://www.rttycontesting.com/records/ > > If the contest exchange is simple (non-serialized), you can probably operate entirely using the message memories. On the KX2, CW and data-mode contacts can also be logged using the rig's built-in logging function, then uploaded to a computer when you get home. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From lists at w2irt.net Fri Mar 22 12:48:50 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 12:48:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sub Receiver stopped working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002001d4e0cf$20f9f050$62edd0f0$@w2irt.net> This is probably a "101" level thing check, but can you confirm that the sub-RX setting of "MAIN" has stuck? It's happened to me several times in the past that it's changed to AUX seemingly on its own. I thought I had killed my Sub-RX just a couple of weeks ago and this was indeed the case. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of KE8G Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 12:00 PM To: Elecraft-K3 at groups.io; Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sub Receiver stopped working Hi All, I need some suggestions on where to start trouble shooting. I looked at Nabble and I have checked all that is listed there and no luck. The sub receiver was working perfectly. I took the radio apart to add some new filters to the sub receiver. It originally had two of them; configured as 2.8Khz, then a 400Hz right next to it, and then 3 blank slots. I removed the 400Hz, the the filters are in the following order; 2.8Khz, blank slot, 1.0Hz, 400Hz, and finally 250Hz in the 5th slot. I used the K3 utility to configure them, with the appropriate settings for each filter. When using the radio, I have both the main and sub receiver on the Main antenna. If I tune to a strong signal on the band, using just the main receiver, I hear on both sides of the headphones. When I engage the sub receiver, I still hear the signal in the left ear, but the right ear goes to just white noise. When the sub receiver is engaged, I can hear sounds in the left ear when pushing any buttons on the radio. From wv8dh at yahoo.com Fri Mar 22 12:48:09 2019 From: wv8dh at yahoo.com (wv8dh) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 12:48:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: RTTY Nostalgia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Back in the early 80s, i got into RTTY and had Model 15s and a Model 19. A lot of the fun was taking a unit that was not wo eff king and getting it to clatter out a message pr pic. Great fun! Looking foreard to some RTTY contacts with my new KX3 #10835 that i received yesterday.Nice read Wayne and thanks.72/73,DaveWV8DHKX3 #10835Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Ken G Kopp Date: 3/22/19 12:26 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Wayne Burdick , Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] OT: RTTY Nostalgia I had a Teletype Model 26 attached to a BC-610E.? Cat slept on top forwarmth.73 !K0PPOn Fri, Mar 22, 2019, 10:15 AM Wayne Burdick wrote:> If you're a new owner of a K3, K3S, KX3 or KX2 -- or if, like most of us,> you never quite made it all the way through the owner's manual -- you might> not have tried our FSK-D mode. This is one of our favorite features. It> gives you an amazingly simple way to dabble in amateur radio's original yet> still actively used data mode: RTTY. As embodied in our FSK-D mode, RTTY> has two major advantages over FT8, JT9, and similar computer-mediated> modes...but first some background.>> * * *>> RTTY (radio teletype) has a long, colorful history. The basic encoding and> transmission methods were invented in the 1800s, and were later used by> wireline news services as well as for wartime comms. It has been in use by> hams since around the end of WWII, who took advantage of surplus military> teleprinters. For more on this, see:>>??? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioteletype#Early_amateur_radioteletype_history>> As a teenager in the 1970s I had a Teletype Corp Model 15. This page shows> some examples of what this beast looked like:>>??? http://www.baudot.net/teletype/M15.htm>> In my shack, the Model 15 and all of its associated paraphernalia took up> most of a workbench. It made a huge racket and consumed reams of paper, not> to mention oil. Sadly, I never did get everything working properly and> never made an QSO with it. Yet my fascination with RTTY continued.>> When we designed the K3, my interest was rekindled, and we endowed it with> the ability to decode and encode 45-baud RTTY signals. The DSP handled> demodulation, while the MCU assembled character bit streams. (We later> added 75-baud RTTY as well as PSK31 and PSK63 modes.)>> Lyle Johnson (KK7P) and I had quite a bit of fun when we first got decode> working. Speaking strictly for both of us, tuning around between 14.080 and> 14.100 during an RTTY contest was like being a teenager all over again. We> quickly added the ability to transmit in this mode using the CW keyer> paddle and message memories. The upshot is that I finally had my first RTTY> QSO, doing it the hard way -- writing a good chunk of the firmware that> made it possible.>> Here's the importing thing: our K-Line/KX-Line implementation of RTTY> makes it incredibly simple to use. It's nearly foolproof. The setup details> vary a bit among the rigs, but basically you select DATA mode, then FSK-D> sub-mode, and turn text decode on. Then just tune around in the RTTY band> segments until you see signals start to decode.>> If you're a CW op, you can immediately transmit in RTTY mode by simply> sending CW. If not, you can connect a netbook or laptop to your rig (via a> USB port), then use the Terminal window in K3/KX3/KX2 Utility along with> the keyboard. The Utility for each rig includes instructions for using the> Terminal window.>> * * *>> Earlier I claimed that RTTY operation using our FSK-D mode has some> advantages over FT8, etc. Here they are:>> 1. You don't necessarily need a computer. Decoded and encoded text scrolls> across the radio's display. At your home station, this is great for simply> tuning around casually; no need to turn on the computer or set up software> applications. It's an even bigger advantage for field operation. With the> KX3 or KX2, you can use RTTY (or PSK31/63) from essentially anywhere, even> operating hand-held. During Field Day and RTTY contests, I make a point of> taking a hike and making a few RTTY Q's pedestrian mobile (/PM). When a> band is open, you can work the world in these modes. (For some of us, it> doesn't get much better than this :)>> 2. Our FSK-D and PSK-D modes are *conversational*, with no restrictions on> what you can send, no software delays or time synchronization, no> predetermined frequencies, and a natural style of interaction as with CW or> SSB. The receiver is automatically configured for a narrow passband, so you> simply tune in a signal until you start seeing decoded text -- often a CQ> -- then respond with the keyer paddle, or with the keyboard on your> netbook/laptop, if applicable.>> As you can see, we've come a long way from the Model 15, paper, oil,> noise, and complex terminal hardware. In addition to using the display on> the rig itself, our panadapters can be used. Text can be displayed on our> P3-SVGA display, as well as on the PX3. A keyboard can be connected to> either the P3 or PX3.>> Next time you're listening on 20 meters, the most popular band for RTTY,> take a quick spin above 14.080. If you hear some of those magical tones,> turn on FSK-D mode and give this mode a try.>> Many DXpeditions have an RTTY station operating during some periods, so> you'll often hear RTTY ops making DX contacts. In general, RTTY DX stations> are quickly "spotted" when they pop up, so mini-pileups can form at any> time.>> There are also a number of RTTY contests, in addition to stations> operating in RTTY mode during Field Day, etc. For a calendar of events, see:>>???? https://www.rttycontesting.com/records/>> If the contest exchange is simple (non-serialized), you can probably> operate entirely using the message memories. On the KX2, CW and data-mode> contacts can also be logged using the rig's built-in logging function, then> uploaded to a computer when you get home.>> 73,> Wayne> N6KR>>>>>> ______________________________________________________________> Elecraft mailing list> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html>______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From k9jri at mac.com Fri Mar 22 13:01:07 2019 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 13:01:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Legacy = Low Latency: FSK-D mode In-Reply-To: <733B5BE6-0FA6-4F36-9E16-BB43802A13EA@elecraft.com> References: <733B5BE6-0FA6-4F36-9E16-BB43802A13EA@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1366CF88-9987-401C-9055-F10ACD2B0690@mac.com> My first was a model 14 strip printer. It was also in the early 70s. Very 73 - Mike - K9JRI > On Mar 22, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > If you're a new owner of a K3, K3S, KX3 or KX2 -- or if, like most of us, you never quite made it all the way through the owner's manual -- you might not have tried our FSK-D mode. This is one of our favorite features. It gives you an amazingly simple way to dabble in amateur radio's original yet still actively used data mode: RTTY. As embodied in our FSK-D mode, RTTY has two major advantages over FT8, JT9, and similar computer-mediated modes...but first some background. > > * * * > > RTTY (radio teletype) has a long, colorful history. The basic encoding and transmission methods were invented in the 1800s, and were later used by wireline news services as well as for wartime comms. It has been in use by hams since around the end of WWII, who took advantage of surplus military teleprinters. For more on this, see: > > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioteletype#Early_amateur_radioteletype_history > > As a teenager in the 1970s I had a Teletype Corp Model 15. This page shows some examples of what this beast looked like: > > http://www.baudot.net/teletype/M15.htm > > In my shack, the Model 15 and all of its associated paraphernalia took up most of a workbench. It made a huge racket and consumed reams of paper, not to mention oil. Sadly, I never did get everything working properly and never made an QSO with it. Yet my fascination with RTTY continued. > > When we designed the K3, my interest was rekindled, and we endowed it with the ability to decode and encode 45-baud RTTY signals. The DSP handled demodulation, while the MCU assembled character bit streams. (We later added 75-baud RTTY as well as PSK31 and PSK63 modes.) > > Lyle Johnson (KK7P) and I had quite a bit of fun when we first got decode working. Speaking strictly for both of us, tuning around between 14.080 and 14.100 during an RTTY contest was like being a teenager all over again. We quickly added the ability to transmit in this mode using the CW keyer paddle and message memories. The upshot is that I finally had my first RTTY QSO, doing it the hard way -- writing a good chunk of the firmware that made it possible. > > Here's the importing thing: our K-Line/KX-Line implementation of RTTY makes it incredibly simple to use. It's nearly foolproof. The setup details vary a bit among the rigs, but basically you select DATA mode, then FSK-D sub-mode, and turn text decode on. Then just tune around in the RTTY band segments until you see signals start to decode. > > If you're a CW op, you can immediately transmit in RTTY mode by simply sending CW. If not, you can connect a netbook or laptop to your rig (via a USB port), then use the Terminal window in K3/KX3/KX2 Utility along with the keyboard. The Utility for each rig includes instructions for using the Terminal window. > > * * * > > Earlier I claimed that RTTY operation using our FSK-D mode has some advantages over FT8, etc. Here they are: > > 1. You don't necessarily need a computer. Decoded and encoded text scrolls across the radio's display. At your home station, this is great for simply tuning around casually; no need to turn on the computer or set up software applications. It's an even bigger advantage for field operation. With the KX3 or KX2, you can use RTTY (or PSK31/63) from essentially anywhere, even operating hand-held. During Field Day and RTTY contests, I make a point of taking a hike and making a few RTTY Q's pedestrian mobile (/PM). When a band is open, you can work the world in these modes. (For some of us, it doesn't get much better than this :) > > 2. Our FSK-D and PSK-D modes are *conversational*, with no restrictions on what you can send, no software delays or time synchronization, no predetermined frequencies, and a natural style of interaction as with CW or SSB. The receiver is automatically configured for a narrow passband, so you simply tune in a signal until you start seeing decoded text -- often a CQ -- then respond with the keyer paddle, or with the keyboard on your netbook/laptop, if applicable. > > As you can see, we've come a long way from the Model 15, paper, oil, noise, and complex terminal hardware. In addition to using the display on the rig itself, our panadapters can be used. Text can be displayed on our P3-SVGA display, as well as on the PX3. A keyboard can be connected to either the P3 or PX3. > > Next time you're listening on 20 meters, the most popular band for RTTY, take a quick spin above 14.080. If you hear some of those magical tones, turn on FSK-D mode and give this mode a try. > > Many DXpeditions have an RTTY station operating during some periods, so you'll often hear RTTY ops making DX contacts. In general, RTTY DX stations are quickly "spotted" when they pop up, so mini-pileups can form at any time. > > There are also a number of RTTY contests, in addition to stations operating in RTTY mode during Field Day, etc. For a calendar of events, see: > > https://www.rttycontesting.com/records/ > > If the contest exchange is simple (non-serialized), you can probably operate entirely using the message memories. On the KX2, CW and data-mode contacts can also be logged using the rig's built-in logging function, then uploaded to a computer when you get home. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From radiok4ia at gmail.com Fri Mar 22 13:10:14 2019 From: radiok4ia at gmail.com (Buck) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 13:10:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sub Receiver stopped working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No blank slots allowed between filters Buck, k4ia Honor Roll 8BDXCC EasyWayHamBooks.com On 3/22/2019 11:59 AM, KE8G wrote: > Hi All, > I need some suggestions on where to start trouble shooting. I looked at > Nabble and I have checked all that is listed there and no luck. > > The sub receiver was working perfectly. I took the radio apart to add some > new filters to the sub receiver. It originally had two of them; configured > as 2.8Khz, then a 400Hz right next to it, and then 3 blank slots. I > removed the 400Hz, the the filters are in the following order; 2.8Khz, > blank slot, 1.0Hz, 400Hz, and finally 250Hz in the 5th slot. > > I used the K3 utility to configure them, with the appropriate settings for > each filter. > > When using the radio, I have both the main and sub receiver on the Main > antenna. If I tune to a strong signal on the band, using just the main > receiver, I hear on both sides of the headphones. When I engage the sub > receiver, I still hear the signal in the left ear, but the right ear goes > to just white noise. > > When the sub receiver is engaged, I can hear sounds in the left ear when > pushing any buttons on the radio. > > I am somewhat stumped, as I was very diligent in disassembly and then > re-assembling it. Using most current firmware, 5.66. > > Please advise. > 73 de Jim - KE8G > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From kengkopp at gmail.com Fri Mar 22 13:10:16 2019 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 11:10:16 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: RTTY Nostalgia + Trivia In-Reply-To: References: <733B5BE6-0FA6-4F36-9E16-BB43802A13EA@elecraft.com> Message-ID: The cat slept atop the '610. Not the Model 26. (;-) There was a 5 KW PA made in an almost identical cabinet. Sold my '610 to an off-shore navigation company in Louisiana for $300. They sent a man in a PU to Oklahoma to get it. Last heard it was operating 24/7 in the 2 mHz just above 160M. Still have a set of PA coils in attic. 73! K0PP On Fri, Mar 22, 2019, 10:26 AM Ken G Kopp wrote: > I had a Teletype Model 26 attached to a BC-610E. Cat slept on top for > warmth. > > 73 ! > > K0PP > > On Fri, Mar 22, 2019, 10:15 AM Wayne Burdick wrote: > >> If you're a new owner of a K3, K3S, KX3 or KX2 -- or if, like most of us, >> you never quite made it all the way through the owner's manual -- you might >> not have tried our FSK-D mode. This is one of our favorite features. It >> gives you an amazingly simple way to dabble in amateur radio's original yet >> still actively used data mode: RTTY. As embodied in our FSK-D mode, RTTY >> has two major advantages over FT8, JT9, and similar computer-mediated >> modes...but first some background. >> >> * * * >> >> RTTY (radio teletype) has a long, colorful history. The basic encoding >> and transmission methods were invented in the 1800s, and were later used by >> wireline news services as well as for wartime comms. It has been in use by >> hams since around the end of WWII, who took advantage of surplus military >> teleprinters. For more on this, see: >> >> >> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioteletype#Early_amateur_radioteletype_history >> >> As a teenager in the 1970s I had a Teletype Corp Model 15. This page >> shows some examples of what this beast looked like: >> >> http://www.baudot.net/teletype/M15.htm >> >> In my shack, the Model 15 and all of its associated paraphernalia took up >> most of a workbench. It made a huge racket and consumed reams of paper, not >> to mention oil. Sadly, I never did get everything working properly and >> never made an QSO with it. Yet my fascination with RTTY continued. >> >> When we designed the K3, my interest was rekindled, and we endowed it >> with the ability to decode and encode 45-baud RTTY signals. The DSP handled >> demodulation, while the MCU assembled character bit streams. (We later >> added 75-baud RTTY as well as PSK31 and PSK63 modes.) >> >> Lyle Johnson (KK7P) and I had quite a bit of fun when we first got decode >> working. Speaking strictly for both of us, tuning around between 14.080 and >> 14.100 during an RTTY contest was like being a teenager all over again. We >> quickly added the ability to transmit in this mode using the CW keyer >> paddle and message memories. The upshot is that I finally had my first RTTY >> QSO, doing it the hard way -- writing a good chunk of the firmware that >> made it possible. >> >> Here's the importing thing: our K-Line/KX-Line implementation of RTTY >> makes it incredibly simple to use. It's nearly foolproof. The setup details >> vary a bit among the rigs, but basically you select DATA mode, then FSK-D >> sub-mode, and turn text decode on. Then just tune around in the RTTY band >> segments until you see signals start to decode. >> >> If you're a CW op, you can immediately transmit in RTTY mode by simply >> sending CW. If not, you can connect a netbook or laptop to your rig (via a >> USB port), then use the Terminal window in K3/KX3/KX2 Utility along with >> the keyboard. The Utility for each rig includes instructions for using the >> Terminal window. >> >> * * * >> >> Earlier I claimed that RTTY operation using our FSK-D mode has some >> advantages over FT8, etc. Here they are: >> >> 1. You don't necessarily need a computer. Decoded and encoded text >> scrolls across the radio's display. At your home station, this is great for >> simply tuning around casually; no need to turn on the computer or set up >> software applications. It's an even bigger advantage for field operation. >> With the KX3 or KX2, you can use RTTY (or PSK31/63) from essentially >> anywhere, even operating hand-held. During Field Day and RTTY contests, I >> make a point of taking a hike and making a few RTTY Q's pedestrian mobile >> (/PM). When a band is open, you can work the world in these modes. (For >> some of us, it doesn't get much better than this :) >> >> 2. Our FSK-D and PSK-D modes are *conversational*, with no restrictions >> on what you can send, no software delays or time synchronization, no >> predetermined frequencies, and a natural style of interaction as with CW or >> SSB. The receiver is automatically configured for a narrow passband, so you >> simply tune in a signal until you start seeing decoded text -- often a CQ >> -- then respond with the keyer paddle, or with the keyboard on your >> netbook/laptop, if applicable. >> >> As you can see, we've come a long way from the Model 15, paper, oil, >> noise, and complex terminal hardware. In addition to using the display on >> the rig itself, our panadapters can be used. Text can be displayed on our >> P3-SVGA display, as well as on the PX3. A keyboard can be connected to >> either the P3 or PX3. >> >> Next time you're listening on 20 meters, the most popular band for RTTY, >> take a quick spin above 14.080. If you hear some of those magical tones, >> turn on FSK-D mode and give this mode a try. >> >> Many DXpeditions have an RTTY station operating during some periods, so >> you'll often hear RTTY ops making DX contacts. In general, RTTY DX stations >> are quickly "spotted" when they pop up, so mini-pileups can form at any >> time. >> >> There are also a number of RTTY contests, in addition to stations >> operating in RTTY mode during Field Day, etc. For a calendar of events, see: >> >> https://www.rttycontesting.com/records/ >> >> If the contest exchange is simple (non-serialized), you can probably >> operate entirely using the message memories. On the KX2, CW and data-mode >> contacts can also be logged using the rig's built-in logging function, then >> uploaded to a computer when you get home. >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > From tim.n9puz at gmail.com Fri Mar 22 13:17:46 2019 From: tim.n9puz at gmail.com (Tim N9PUZ) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 12:17:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Input Current vs Output Power In-Reply-To: <3d663554-2c9c-dba0-55fb-3106cb8a9a9b@horizon.co.fk> References: <3d663554-2c9c-dba0-55fb-3106cb8a9a9b@horizon.co.fk> Message-ID: Measuring it would be a perfectly acceptable and desirable solution. Except I do not have the amplifier here. Tim N9PUZ On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 11:35 AM Mike Harris via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > Is measuring it out of the question? > > Regards, > > Mike VP8NO > > > > On 22/03/2019 11:51, Tim N9PUZ wrote: > > Is there a chart or formula that describes the input current required > for a > > KXPA100 amplifier at various power output levels? In a battery operation > > scenario I'm curious about the current draw at say 50W output vs. 100W > > output. > > > > Tim N9PUZ > From mike.flowers at gmail.com Fri Mar 22 13:25:42 2019 From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 10:25:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Legacy = Low Latency: FSK-D mode In-Reply-To: <1366CF88-9987-401C-9055-F10ACD2B0690@mac.com> References: <733B5BE6-0FA6-4F36-9E16-BB43802A13EA@elecraft.com> <1366CF88-9987-401C-9055-F10ACD2B0690@mac.com> Message-ID: <1F960B0E-734E-4856-AE39-90D6F73195BB@gmail.com> My Model 15 took a lot of 3-in-1 oil to keep it running back in the late 1970s. I can still smell the warm oil. I worked Antigua on 20M and that QSO started RTTY DXing for me. -- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!" > On Mar 22, 2019, at 10:01 AM, Michael Blake via Elecraft wrote: > > My first was a model 14 strip printer. It was also in the early 70s. > > Very 73 - Mike - K9JRI > > >> On Mar 22, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> >> If you're a new owner of a K3, K3S, KX3 or KX2 -- or if, like most of us, you never quite made it all the way through the owner's manual -- you might not have tried our FSK-D mode. This is one of our favorite features. It gives you an amazingly simple way to dabble in amateur radio's original yet still actively used data mode: RTTY. As embodied in our FSK-D mode, RTTY has two major advantages over FT8, JT9, and similar computer-mediated modes...but first some background. >> >> * * * >> >> RTTY (radio teletype) has a long, colorful history. The basic encoding and transmission methods were invented in the 1800s, and were later used by wireline news services as well as for wartime comms. It has been in use by hams since around the end of WWII, who took advantage of surplus military teleprinters. For more on this, see: >> >> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioteletype#Early_amateur_radioteletype_history >> >> As a teenager in the 1970s I had a Teletype Corp Model 15. This page shows some examples of what this beast looked like: >> >> http://www.baudot.net/teletype/M15.htm >> >> In my shack, the Model 15 and all of its associated paraphernalia took up most of a workbench. It made a huge racket and consumed reams of paper, not to mention oil. Sadly, I never did get everything working properly and never made an QSO with it. Yet my fascination with RTTY continued. >> >> When we designed the K3, my interest was rekindled, and we endowed it with the ability to decode and encode 45-baud RTTY signals. The DSP handled demodulation, while the MCU assembled character bit streams. (We later added 75-baud RTTY as well as PSK31 and PSK63 modes.) >> >> Lyle Johnson (KK7P) and I had quite a bit of fun when we first got decode working. Speaking strictly for both of us, tuning around between 14.080 and 14.100 during an RTTY contest was like being a teenager all over again. We quickly added the ability to transmit in this mode using the CW keyer paddle and message memories. The upshot is that I finally had my first RTTY QSO, doing it the hard way -- writing a good chunk of the firmware that made it possible. >> >> Here's the importing thing: our K-Line/KX-Line implementation of RTTY makes it incredibly simple to use. It's nearly foolproof. The setup details vary a bit among the rigs, but basically you select DATA mode, then FSK-D sub-mode, and turn text decode on. Then just tune around in the RTTY band segments until you see signals start to decode. >> >> If you're a CW op, you can immediately transmit in RTTY mode by simply sending CW. If not, you can connect a netbook or laptop to your rig (via a USB port), then use the Terminal window in K3/KX3/KX2 Utility along with the keyboard. The Utility for each rig includes instructions for using the Terminal window. >> >> * * * >> >> Earlier I claimed that RTTY operation using our FSK-D mode has some advantages over FT8, etc. Here they are: >> >> 1. You don't necessarily need a computer. Decoded and encoded text scrolls across the radio's display. At your home station, this is great for simply tuning around casually; no need to turn on the computer or set up software applications. It's an even bigger advantage for field operation. With the KX3 or KX2, you can use RTTY (or PSK31/63) from essentially anywhere, even operating hand-held. During Field Day and RTTY contests, I make a point of taking a hike and making a few RTTY Q's pedestrian mobile (/PM). When a band is open, you can work the world in these modes. (For some of us, it doesn't get much better than this :) >> >> 2. Our FSK-D and PSK-D modes are *conversational*, with no restrictions on what you can send, no software delays or time synchronization, no predetermined frequencies, and a natural style of interaction as with CW or SSB. The receiver is automatically configured for a narrow passband, so you simply tune in a signal until you start seeing decoded text -- often a CQ -- then respond with the keyer paddle, or with the keyboard on your netbook/laptop, if applicable. >> >> As you can see, we've come a long way from the Model 15, paper, oil, noise, and complex terminal hardware. In addition to using the display on the rig itself, our panadapters can be used. Text can be displayed on our P3-SVGA display, as well as on the PX3. A keyboard can be connected to either the P3 or PX3. >> >> Next time you're listening on 20 meters, the most popular band for RTTY, take a quick spin above 14.080. If you hear some of those magical tones, turn on FSK-D mode and give this mode a try. >> >> Many DXpeditions have an RTTY station operating during some periods, so you'll often hear RTTY ops making DX contacts. In general, RTTY DX stations are quickly "spotted" when they pop up, so mini-pileups can form at any time. >> >> There are also a number of RTTY contests, in addition to stations operating in RTTY mode during Field Day, etc. For a calendar of events, see: >> >> https://www.rttycontesting.com/records/ >> >> If the contest exchange is simple (non-serialized), you can probably operate entirely using the message memories. On the KX2, CW and data-mode contacts can also be logged using the rig's built-in logging function, then uploaded to a computer when you get home. >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From gkidder at ilstu.edu Fri Mar 22 13:28:06 2019 From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (Kidder, George) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 17:28:06 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Legacy = Low Latency: FSK-D mode In-Reply-To: <1F960B0E-734E-4856-AE39-90D6F73195BB@gmail.com> References: <733B5BE6-0FA6-4F36-9E16-BB43802A13EA@elecraft.com> <1366CF88-9987-401C-9055-F10ACD2B0690@mac.com> <1F960B0E-734E-4856-AE39-90D6F73195BB@gmail.com> Message-ID: <629bb30e-39c0-6d7f-8215-71cb52b80164@ilstu.edu> And the purple ink! Golly, some memories George W3HBM On 3/22/2019 1:25 PM, Mike Flowers wrote: > [This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to abuse at ilstu.edu] > > My Model 15 took a lot of 3-in-1 oil to keep it running back in the late 1970s. I can still smell the warm oil. > > I worked Antigua on 20M and that QSO started RTTY DXing for me. > > -- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!" > >> On Mar 22, 2019, at 10:01 AM, Michael Blake via Elecraft wrote: >> >> My first was a model 14 strip printer. It was also in the early 70s. >> >> Very 73 - Mike - K9JRI >> >> >>> On Mar 22, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> >>> If you're a new owner of a K3, K3S, KX3 or KX2 -- or if, like most of us, you never quite made it all the way through the owner's manual -- you might not have tried our FSK-D mode. This is one of our favorite features. It gives you an amazingly simple way to dabble in amateur radio's original yet still actively used data mode: RTTY. As embodied in our FSK-D mode, RTTY has two major advantages over FT8, JT9, and similar computer-mediated modes...but first some background. >>> >>> * * * >>> >>> RTTY (radio teletype) has a long, colorful history. The basic encoding and transmission methods were invented in the 1800s, and were later used by wireline news services as well as for wartime comms. It has been in use by hams since around the end of WWII, who took advantage of surplus military teleprinters. For more on this, see: >>> >>> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioteletype#Early_amateur_radioteletype_history >>> >>> As a teenager in the 1970s I had a Teletype Corp Model 15. This page shows some examples of what this beast looked like: >>> >>> http://www.baudot.net/teletype/M15.htm >>> >>> In my shack, the Model 15 and all of its associated paraphernalia took up most of a workbench. It made a huge racket and consumed reams of paper, not to mention oil. Sadly, I never did get everything working properly and never made an QSO with it. Yet my fascination with RTTY continued. >>> >>> When we designed the K3, my interest was rekindled, and we endowed it with the ability to decode and encode 45-baud RTTY signals. The DSP handled demodulation, while the MCU assembled character bit streams. (We later added 75-baud RTTY as well as PSK31 and PSK63 modes.) >>> >>> Lyle Johnson (KK7P) and I had quite a bit of fun when we first got decode working. Speaking strictly for both of us, tuning around between 14.080 and 14.100 during an RTTY contest was like being a teenager all over again. We quickly added the ability to transmit in this mode using the CW keyer paddle and message memories. The upshot is that I finally had my first RTTY QSO, doing it the hard way -- writing a good chunk of the firmware that made it possible. >>> >>> Here's the importing thing: our K-Line/KX-Line implementation of RTTY makes it incredibly simple to use. It's nearly foolproof. The setup details vary a bit among the rigs, but basically you select DATA mode, then FSK-D sub-mode, and turn text decode on. Then just tune around in the RTTY band segments until you see signals start to decode. >>> >>> If you're a CW op, you can immediately transmit in RTTY mode by simply sending CW. If not, you can connect a netbook or laptop to your rig (via a USB port), then use the Terminal window in K3/KX3/KX2 Utility along with the keyboard. The Utility for each rig includes instructions for using the Terminal window. >>> >>> * * * >>> >>> Earlier I claimed that RTTY operation using our FSK-D mode has some advantages over FT8, etc. Here they are: >>> >>> 1. You don't necessarily need a computer. Decoded and encoded text scrolls across the radio's display. At your home station, this is great for simply tuning around casually; no need to turn on the computer or set up software applications. It's an even bigger advantage for field operation. With the KX3 or KX2, you can use RTTY (or PSK31/63) from essentially anywhere, even operating hand-held. During Field Day and RTTY contests, I make a point of taking a hike and making a few RTTY Q's pedestrian mobile (/PM). When a band is open, you can work the world in these modes. (For some of us, it doesn't get much better than this :) >>> >>> 2. Our FSK-D and PSK-D modes are *conversational*, with no restrictions on what you can send, no software delays or time synchronization, no predetermined frequencies, and a natural style of interaction as with CW or SSB. The receiver is automatically configured for a narrow passband, so you simply tune in a signal until you start seeing decoded text -- often a CQ -- then respond with the keyer paddle, or with the keyboard on your netbook/laptop, if applicable. >>> >>> As you can see, we've come a long way from the Model 15, paper, oil, noise, and complex terminal hardware. In addition to using the display on the rig itself, our panadapters can be used. Text can be displayed on our P3-SVGA display, as well as on the PX3. A keyboard can be connected to either the P3 or PX3. >>> >>> Next time you're listening on 20 meters, the most popular band for RTTY, take a quick spin above 14.080. If you hear some of those magical tones, turn on FSK-D mode and give this mode a try. >>> >>> Many DXpeditions have an RTTY station operating during some periods, so you'll often hear RTTY ops making DX contacts. In general, RTTY DX stations are quickly "spotted" when they pop up, so mini-pileups can form at any time. >>> >>> There are also a number of RTTY contests, in addition to stations operating in RTTY mode during Field Day, etc. For a calendar of events, see: >>> >>> https://www.rttycontesting.com/records/ >>> >>> If the contest exchange is simple (non-serialized), you can probably operate entirely using the message memories. On the KX2, CW and data-mode contacts can also be logged using the rig's built-in logging function, then uploaded to a computer when you get home. >>> >>> 73, >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From n1rj at roadrunner.com Fri Mar 22 13:32:00 2019 From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 13:32:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: RTTY Nostalgia In-Reply-To: References: <733B5BE6-0FA6-4F36-9E16-BB43802A13EA@elecraft.com> Message-ID: I remember that from my Army days in the AN/GRC-26. No cat though! 73, Roger On 3/22/2019 12:26 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > I had a Teletype Model 26 attached to a BC-610E. Cat slept on top for > warmth. > > 73 ! > > K0PP > From huntinhmb at coastside.net Fri Mar 22 13:38:57 2019 From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 10:38:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Legacy = Low Latency: FSK-D mode In-Reply-To: <733B5BE6-0FA6-4F36-9E16-BB43802A13EA@elecraft.com> References: <733B5BE6-0FA6-4F36-9E16-BB43802A13EA@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <99F89AF3-958E-4F15-90CC-F4006FD82E71@coastside.net> Wayne, your write up takes me back to growing up in the late 40s when my dad worked for Ma Bell and would take me into the 'office' occasionally. The most fascinating I ever saw was the print head on the TTY machine bobbing around printing out lines of text. Thanks for the FSK D capability. I've quickly worked several DXpeditions with it. 73, Brian, K0DTJ From nr4c at widomaker.com Fri Mar 22 13:40:57 2019 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 13:40:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sub Receiver stopped working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <63A89E60-E29F-4ED9-B551-C9889C010250@widomaker.com> Since when can there be no empty slots between filters? Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 22, 2019, at 1:10 PM, Buck wrote: > > No blank slots allowed between filters > > Buck, k4ia > Honor Roll > 8BDXCC > EasyWayHamBooks.com > >> On 3/22/2019 11:59 AM, KE8G wrote: >> Hi All, >> I need some suggestions on where to start trouble shooting. I looked at >> Nabble and I have checked all that is listed there and no luck. >> The sub receiver was working perfectly. I took the radio apart to add some >> new filters to the sub receiver. It originally had two of them; configured >> as 2.8Khz, then a 400Hz right next to it, and then 3 blank slots. I >> removed the 400Hz, the the filters are in the following order; 2.8Khz, >> blank slot, 1.0Hz, 400Hz, and finally 250Hz in the 5th slot. >> I used the K3 utility to configure them, with the appropriate settings for >> each filter. >> When using the radio, I have both the main and sub receiver on the Main >> antenna. If I tune to a strong signal on the band, using just the main >> receiver, I hear on both sides of the headphones. When I engage the sub >> receiver, I still hear the signal in the left ear, but the right ear goes >> to just white noise. >> When the sub receiver is engaged, I can hear sounds in the left ear when >> pushing any buttons on the radio. >> I am somewhat stumped, as I was very diligent in disassembly and then >> re-assembling it. Using most current firmware, 5.66. >> Please advise. >> 73 de Jim - KE8G >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From KM6LHD at gmail.com Fri Mar 22 13:57:01 2019 From: KM6LHD at gmail.com (mtwheatley) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 10:57:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 FT8 on 17m anomaly Message-ID: <1553277421666-0.post@n2.nabble.com> I have a FlexRadio 6400 driving my KPA500 with a 43' vertical antenna and an MFJ-988RT tuner at its base. I do a lot of FT8 on different bands, Everything works great on all bands except 17m. There if I run the FlexRadio barefoot at 80w, everything is fine. But if I turn on the KPA500 and set the output from the Flex to 15w, when I key FT8 the output of the KPA500 jumps around wildly between 80 and 150w when it should be about 250w steady. This only happens in DIGU (digital mode). If I switch to FM or NFM on the same frequency the KPA500 operates correctly and its output is about 250w. My SWR on the band is 1.2 Any ideas? Michael - KM6LHD -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From k2asp at kanafi.org Fri Mar 22 13:57:28 2019 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 10:57:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Legacy = Low Latency: FSK-D mode In-Reply-To: <1F960B0E-734E-4856-AE39-90D6F73195BB@gmail.com> References: <733B5BE6-0FA6-4F36-9E16-BB43802A13EA@elecraft.com> <1366CF88-9987-401C-9055-F10ACD2B0690@mac.com> <1F960B0E-734E-4856-AE39-90D6F73195BB@gmail.com> Message-ID: <13b07aa1-8b85-c248-f2ad-c4eba7628dcc@kanafi.org> My early RTTY experience was with Model 28 machines when I was working for ITT ( not ATT) in the early 1960s. I had a secretary who could type much faster than the tape could be punched and that frustrated her no end! Several years later I worked overseas and used European teleprinters where I did my own typing. In both cases we had service contracts so I didn't do any "hands on" tweaking of the mechanical beasts. If I ever get it set up, I want to do some 40m RTTY with my K2. I have a choice of a low-power mag-loop antenna at 15W or a dummy load at 100W !! 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From tom.campie at gmail.com Fri Mar 22 14:03:19 2019 From: tom.campie at gmail.com (TJ Campie) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 13:03:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject) Message-ID: You do not need to run 250w on ft8 From markmusick at outlook.com Fri Mar 22 14:21:07 2019 From: markmusick at outlook.com (Mark Musick) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 18:21:07 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Remember FT8 is a weak signal mode not a low power mode. A perfect example this morning working a ZL on 80 meters I decoded him at -24. I started at 200 Watts no reply. At 400 Watts no reply. I continued replying increasing power in 200 Watt increments. Finally at 1200 Watts he gave me a -18 and I gave him a -20. Of course I do not know how much power he was running on his end or his receive antenna situation. Even at 1500 Watts your signal can be weak (weak signal mode) to the station you are attempting to work. Mark, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of TJ Campie Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 18:03 To: Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject) You do not need to run 250w on ft8 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From rocketnj at gmail.com Fri Mar 22 14:23:47 2019 From: rocketnj at gmail.com (Dave) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 14:23:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Actually if you are trying to work a station who is -24 and that station is running 1500 watts then you probably won?t work him with 250 watts. It is a weak signal mode. Run power appropriate to what is needed to make a contact. Now if that station at 1500 watts is +10 then you can work him on a lot less than 250 watts. The point is under certain conditions it is NOT a low power mode. Dave wo2x Sent from my waxed string and tin cans. > On Mar 22, 2019, at 2:03 PM, TJ Campie wrote: > > You do not need to run 250w on ft8 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From ke8g.jim at gmail.com Fri Mar 22 15:10:52 2019 From: ke8g.jim at gmail.com (KE8G) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 15:10:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sub Receiver stopped working - Now Fixed Message-ID: Hi All, I created a new email and changed the subject line to reflect the fact that I now have the sub receiver functioning perfectly. It turns out to be an error with the seating of the pins on the board. Thanks for all the suggestions, 73 de Jim - KE8G From richarddw1945 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 22 15:51:38 2019 From: richarddw1945 at yahoo.com (RIchard Williams) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 19:51:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1724919947.9543797.1553284298128@mail.yahoo.com> Tom, Where did you come up with one does not need to run more than 250 W using FT8??? I have never read that anywhere in the literature I have read about FT8. How many countries have you worked on 160M using 50 or so watts?? I have worked more than one country on 160M using 1500 watts feeding a pair of phased verticals and have received a signal report below -20db.? I highly doubt 250W would have been sufficient.? A good rule is to run the minimum power necessary to make the contact; and yes, many times 250W is way more than you need. Dick, K8ZTT? Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 20:03, TJ Campie wrote: You do not need to run 250w on ft8 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From forums at david-woolley.me.uk Fri Mar 22 16:33:54 2019 From: forums at david-woolley.me.uk (David Woolley) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 20:33:54 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Input Current vs Output Power In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12707f26-bae4-3265-0839-962a76a02f59@david-woolley.me.uk> Whilst I can't give you quantitative answers, I would expect there to be a constant term and a square root power term, so my guess is that 50W would take about 80% of the 100W current and 10W about 38-40%. These are peak envelope currents. -- David Woolley Owner K2 06123 On 22/03/2019 14:51, Tim N9PUZ wrote: > Is there a chart or formula that describes the input current required for a > KXPA100 amplifier at various power output levels? In a battery operation > scenario I'm curious about the current draw at say 50W output vs. 100W > output. > From eric at elecraft.com Fri Mar 22 16:43:23 2019 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 13:43:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 Power Level thread.. In-Reply-To: <1724919947.9543797.1553284298128@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1724919947.9543797.1553284298128@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Folks - The pro/con appropriate power level discussion on FT8 is a repeat of a huge prior thread. (Search the nabble archive at: https://elecraft.com/pages/community? ) Let's end the thread for now to avoid this one expanding any further. Unlike FT8 we need a fairly high signal to noise ratio here.? ;-) In general, please try to avoid getting into arguments on the list over what is the 'proper' power to run for any mode of operation. Like politics, these discussions can be endless with strong options on every side that can easily take up too much list b/w. 73, Eric Moderator and other stuff.. /elecraft.com/ From radiok4ia at gmail.com Fri Mar 22 16:46:10 2019 From: radiok4ia at gmail.com (Buck) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 16:46:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sub Receiver stopped working In-Reply-To: <63A89E60-E29F-4ED9-B551-C9889C010250@widomaker.com> References: <63A89E60-E29F-4ED9-B551-C9889C010250@widomaker.com> Message-ID: I thought I remembered seeing that in the instructions. If I was wrong, my apologies. Buck, k4ia Honor Roll 8BDXCC EasyWayHamBooks.com On 3/22/2019 1:40 PM, Nr4c wrote: > Since when can there be no empty slots between filters? > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > >> On Mar 22, 2019, at 1:10 PM, Buck wrote: >> >> No blank slots allowed between filters >> >> Buck, k4ia >> Honor Roll >> 8BDXCC >> EasyWayHamBooks.com >> >>> On 3/22/2019 11:59 AM, KE8G wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> I need some suggestions on where to start trouble shooting. I looked at >>> Nabble and I have checked all that is listed there and no luck. >>> The sub receiver was working perfectly. I took the radio apart to add some >>> new filters to the sub receiver. It originally had two of them; configured >>> as 2.8Khz, then a 400Hz right next to it, and then 3 blank slots. I >>> removed the 400Hz, the the filters are in the following order; 2.8Khz, >>> blank slot, 1.0Hz, 400Hz, and finally 250Hz in the 5th slot. >>> I used the K3 utility to configure them, with the appropriate settings for >>> each filter. >>> When using the radio, I have both the main and sub receiver on the Main >>> antenna. If I tune to a strong signal on the band, using just the main >>> receiver, I hear on both sides of the headphones. When I engage the sub >>> receiver, I still hear the signal in the left ear, but the right ear goes >>> to just white noise. >>> When the sub receiver is engaged, I can hear sounds in the left ear when >>> pushing any buttons on the radio. >>> I am somewhat stumped, as I was very diligent in disassembly and then >>> re-assembling it. Using most current firmware, 5.66. >>> Please advise. >>> 73 de Jim - KE8G >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From Gary at ka1j.com Fri Mar 22 17:01:59 2019 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 17:01:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3s filter setting with the K3 Utility Message-ID: <5C954D47.23397.1979F4D9@Gary.ka1j.com> It seems as intuitive, the filter you use is the value you select in the K3 utility under filter configuration. I.e. a 1.8 filter is set at 1.8 in the utility. Considering there is DSP simultaneously occurring at the same time; Is there any advantage to setting the 1.8 above, say as 2. in the utility. Or to have the 200Hz filter engaged at say 250? If so, what benefits might be seen by doing this? Thanks, 73, Gary KA1J From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Mar 22 17:12:52 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 14:12:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <1724919947.9543797.1553284298128@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1724919947.9543797.1553284298128@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43a33d1a-9712-700e-ba7f-1c79157bca73@audiosystemsgroup.com> I strongly agree with this. Years ago, I had a similar experience with JT65 on 160M in a sked with a station in ND. He decoded at -12 and said he was running 40 or 50W, so I called him at that power level. No response, so I increased power in 2X (3dB) steps until he answered. I had to get to the top of the KPA500 before he responded. I'm convinced that most hams have high noise levels, much of the noise produced by stuff in their own homes that they have not bothered to get rid of. Here's my tutorial on doing that. http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf and slides for my talk at Visalia two years ago. http://k9yc.com/KillingRXNoiseVisalia.pdf 50W IS plenty of power for most QSOs on the HF bands, but it is NOT for 5,000 mile paths on 160M, or multi-hop E-skip on 6M. I'm about 70 miles S of San Francisco (which puts EU in the range of 5,000 - 6,500 miles and over the polar region to get there) with a pretty decent antenna farm, including both a Beverage and pair of phased loops beamed to EU. For at least three years I never heard a single EU station on CW, heard only three this year, and running 1500W, managed to work only one of them. Running FT8 on 160M this season, I made about 20 QSOs to EU, 10 of them new countries on the band. I had to run 1500W to do it, and I made lots of calls to stations who were in the range of -12 to -22. I'm also trying to finish 160M QRP WAS, and need VT and SC. Unfortunately, the stations working FT8 in those states are either noise limited, or don't have (or don't use) RX antennas pointed in this direction. I've had similar experience on 6M -- I regularly give better signal reports than I receive. OTOH, I AM bothered by stations constantly CQing on 160M running high power when the band is not open to DX, and working less than 1,000 miles. I almost never call CQ, but rather find a clear spot to TX, lock my TX to that frequency, and wait for decodes on stations I want to work. DXpeditions are often the easiest to work with low power, because they have very good operators, take both RX and TX antennas seriously, and mostly work to keep noise levels low. I often work DXpeditions with 5W. 73, Jim K9YC On 3/22/2019 12:51 PM, RIchard Williams via Elecraft wrote: > Where did you come up with one does not need to run more than 250 W using FT8??? I have never read that anywhere in the literature I have read about FT8. > How many countries have you worked on 160M using 50 or so watts?? I have worked more than one country on 160M using 1500 watts feeding a pair of phased verticals and have received a signal report below -20db.? I highly doubt 250W would have been sufficient. > A good rule is to run the minimum power necessary to make the contact; and yes, many times 250W is way more than you need. From qrp5w at roadrunner.com Fri Mar 22 17:47:19 2019 From: qrp5w at roadrunner.com (qrp5w at roadrunner.com) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 17:47:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Legacy = Low Latency: FSK-D mode In-Reply-To: <733B5BE6-0FA6-4F36-9E16-BB43802A13EA@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <20190322214719.JWH4V.13260.root@dnvrco-web05> Wayne, Please consider adding a feature in the next KX3 (and others) update-the ability to turn diddle on or off during during idle input from the paddle or terminal. Please, please! 72 Howard Kraus, K2UD ---- Wayne Burdick wrote: > If you're a new owner of a K3, K3S, KX3 or KX2 -- or if, like most of us, you never quite made it all the way through the owner's manual -- you might not have tried our FSK-D mode. This is one of our favorite features. It gives you an amazingly simple way to dabble in amateur radio's original yet still actively used data mode: RTTY. As embodied in our FSK-D mode, RTTY has two major advantages over FT8, JT9, and similar computer-mediated modes...but first some background. > > * * * > > RTTY (radio teletype) has a long, colorful history. The basic encoding and transmission methods were invented in the 1800s, and were later used by wireline news services as well as for wartime comms. It has been in use by hams since around the end of WWII, who took advantage of surplus military teleprinters. For more on this, see: > > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioteletype#Early_amateur_radioteletype_history > > As a teenager in the 1970s I had a Teletype Corp Model 15. This page shows some examples of what this beast looked like: > > http://www.baudot.net/teletype/M15.htm > > In my shack, the Model 15 and all of its associated paraphernalia took up most of a workbench. It made a huge racket and consumed reams of paper, not to mention oil. Sadly, I never did get everything working properly and never made an QSO with it. Yet my fascination with RTTY continued. > > When we designed the K3, my interest was rekindled, and we endowed it with the ability to decode and encode 45-baud RTTY signals. The DSP handled demodulation, while the MCU assembled character bit streams. (We later added 75-baud RTTY as well as PSK31 and PSK63 modes.) > > Lyle Johnson (KK7P) and I had quite a bit of fun when we first got decode working. Speaking strictly for both of us, tuning around between 14.080 and 14.100 during an RTTY contest was like being a teenager all over again. We quickly added the ability to transmit in this mode using the CW keyer paddle and message memories. The upshot is that I finally had my first RTTY QSO, doing it the hard way -- writing a good chunk of the firmware that made it possible. > > Here's the importing thing: our K-Line/KX-Line implementation of RTTY makes it incredibly simple to use. It's nearly foolproof. The setup details vary a bit among the rigs, but basically you select DATA mode, then FSK-D sub-mode, and turn text decode on. Then just tune around in the RTTY band segments until you see signals start to decode. > > If you're a CW op, you can immediately transmit in RTTY mode by simply sending CW. If not, you can connect a netbook or laptop to your rig (via a USB port), then use the Terminal window in K3/KX3/KX2 Utility along with the keyboard. The Utility for each rig includes instructions for using the Terminal window. > > * * * > > Earlier I claimed that RTTY operation using our FSK-D mode has some advantages over FT8, etc. Here they are: > > 1. You don't necessarily need a computer. Decoded and encoded text scrolls across the radio's display. At your home station, this is great for simply tuning around casually; no need to turn on the computer or set up software applications. It's an even bigger advantage for field operation. With the KX3 or KX2, you can use RTTY (or PSK31/63) from essentially anywhere, even operating hand-held. During Field Day and RTTY contests, I make a point of taking a hike and making a few RTTY Q's pedestrian mobile (/PM). When a band is open, you can work the world in these modes. (For some of us, it doesn't get much better than this :) > > 2. Our FSK-D and PSK-D modes are *conversational*, with no restrictions on what you can send, no software delays or time synchronization, no predetermined frequencies, and a natural style of interaction as with CW or SSB. The receiver is automatically configured for a narrow passband, so you simply tune in a signal until you start seeing decoded text -- often a CQ -- then respond with the keyer paddle, or with the keyboard on your netbook/laptop, if applicable. > > As you can see, we've come a long way from the Model 15, paper, oil, noise, and complex terminal hardware. In addition to using the display on the rig itself, our panadapters can be used. Text can be displayed on our P3-SVGA display, as well as on the PX3. A keyboard can be connected to either the P3 or PX3. > > Next time you're listening on 20 meters, the most popular band for RTTY, take a quick spin above 14.080. If you hear some of those magical tones, turn on FSK-D mode and give this mode a try. > > Many DXpeditions have an RTTY station operating during some periods, so you'll often hear RTTY ops making DX contacts. In general, RTTY DX stations are quickly "spotted" when they pop up, so mini-pileups can form at any time. > > There are also a number of RTTY contests, in addition to stations operating in RTTY mode during Field Day, etc. For a calendar of events, see: > > https://www.rttycontesting.com/records/ > > If the contest exchange is simple (non-serialized), you can probably operate entirely using the message memories. On the KX2, CW and data-mode contacts can also be logged using the rig's built-in logging function, then uploaded to a computer when you get home. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Fri Mar 22 17:58:21 2019 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 14:58:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Debunked too many times to mention. On 3/22/2019 11:03 AM, TJ Campie wrote: > You do not need to run 250w on ft8 From ve3iay at gmail.com Fri Mar 22 17:58:29 2019 From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 17:58:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3s filter setting with the K3 Utility Message-ID: There can be reasons to configure a roofing filter differently from its nominal bandwidth. For example, I have a "250 Hz" filter. According to the filter plots on the Elecraft web site, the 6 dB bandwidth of this filter is actually closer to 375 Hz. I configured my filter to switch in at 350 Hz, which makes it much more useful to me than it would be if I had configured it to switch in at 250 Hz. If this filter is configured to switch in at 250 Hz in agreement with the label, then when you set your DSP bandwidth to 300 Hz or 350 Hz, you will be using the next wider filter in your receiver. Strong signals outside the DSP bandwidth but inside the wider roofing filter's bandwidth can still have bad effects, whereas if the filter is configured to switch in at 350 Hz, you can take advantage of its ability to reduce those unwanted signals with relatively minor impact on signals within the DSP bandwidth. Of course, if the bandwidth of the 250 Hz filter really was 250 Hz, configuring it to switch in at 350 Hz would render the 300 Hz and 350 Hz settings of the DSP filter somewhat less useful, since the actual bandwidth of the filter combination would now be close to 250 Hz regardless of what the DSP control said. There might be reasons to go in the other direction as well, i.e. to configure a filter to switch in only at a narrower bandwidth than the bandwidth marked on the filter. For example, if you had 500 Hz and 1000 Hz filters and often used a digital mode whose bandwidth was, say, 750 Hz, you could configure the 1000 Hz roofing filter to switch in only at 700 Hz and below. This would give you better filtering between 500 Hz and 700 Hz than without the 1000 Hz filter, while still permitting the 750 Hz mode signals to pass through at DSP settings of 750 Hz and above without being restricted by the roofing filter. 73, Rich VE3KI KA1J wrote: Is there any advantage to setting the 1.8 above, say as 2. in the utility. Or to have the 200Hz filter engaged at say 250? From qrp5w at roadrunner.com Fri Mar 22 18:05:43 2019 From: qrp5w at roadrunner.com (qrp5w at roadrunner.com) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 18:05:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: RTTY Nostalgia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20190322220543.Q1AQQ.13369.root@dnvrco-web05> The KX2 will fit in a pocket. The KX3 will fit in, er, a bigger pocket. You hardly know they are there. Neither one requires oil or paper and barely make any noise. My old 28ASR fit in the back of a pickup and weighed 260 lbs. How do I know that? 72 Howard Kraus, K2UD From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Fri Mar 22 18:19:04 2019 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 15:19:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Legacy = Low Latency: FSK-D mode In-Reply-To: <733B5BE6-0FA6-4F36-9E16-BB43802A13EA@elecraft.com> References: <733B5BE6-0FA6-4F36-9E16-BB43802A13EA@elecraft.com> Message-ID: On 3/22/2019 9:14 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: I waited until all of the frenzy subsided and bought myself a K3 back in '08 IIRC.? I was using a TS-870SAT primarily on SSB at the time and frankly, I was disappointed in the K3, particularly from an ergonomic point of view.? So in looking for a use for the K3 I investigated RTTY. Although I had been licensed for about 50 years at that time I had never operated RTTY.? I've never to this day used the internal RTTY capability, nor FSK for that matter, but I did start using AFSK.? I got hooked.? So I thought to try for DXCC and now have a DXCC certificate that actually says "RTTY" on it. Today it's harder to find new ones, but I have 254 confirmed now with my modest station. It's great fun and even though it's a "digital" mode, operator skill still makes a difference. Unfortunately, I heard one of the current DXpeditions plopped on 14.080 using the abysmal FT8 the other day, so nothing is sacred anymore. Wes? N7WS > Next time you're listening on 20 meters, the most popular band for RTTY, take a quick spin above 14.080. If you hear some of those magical tones, turn on FSK-D mode and give this mode a try. > > From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Fri Mar 22 18:29:50 2019 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 15:29:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Legacy = Low Latency: FSK-D mode In-Reply-To: References: <733B5BE6-0FA6-4F36-9E16-BB43802A13EA@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Sorry about the cut and paste.? Clearly Wayne didn't write the top part, I did. On 3/22/2019 3:19 PM, Wes wrote: > I waited until all of the frenzy subsided and bought myself a K3 back in '08 > IIRC.? I was using a TS-870SAT primarily on SSB at the time and frankly, I was > disappointed in the K3, particularly from an ergonomic point of view.? So in > looking for a use for the K3 I investigated RTTY. Although I had been licensed > for about 50 years at that time I had never operated RTTY.? I've never to this > day used the internal RTTY capability, nor FSK for that matter, but I did > start using AFSK.? I got hooked.? So I thought to try for DXCC and now have a > DXCC certificate that actually says "RTTY" on it. Today it's harder to find > new ones, but I have 254 confirmed now with my modest station. > > It's great fun and even though it's a "digital" mode, operator skill still > makes a difference. > > Unfortunately, I heard one of the current DXpeditions plopped on 14.080 using > the abysmal FT8 the other day, so nothing is sacred anymore. > > Wes? N7WS >> On 3/22/2019 9:14 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> >> Next time you're listening on 20 meters, the most popular band for RTTY, take >> a quick spin above 14.080. If you hear some of those magical tones, turn on >> FSK-D mode and give this mode a try. >> >> From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Mar 22 18:34:25 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 18:34:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Legacy = Low Latency: FSK-D mode In-Reply-To: <20190322214719.JWH4V.13260.root@dnvrco-web05> References: <20190322214719.JWH4V.13260.root@dnvrco-web05> Message-ID: <1e291ce2-d0c1-2bac-ef69-bb245f0a1142@embarqmail.com> Howard, That is already implemented. End the message when paddling with IM sent as a prosign (no space between the I and M. If you are creating messages to be used, end the message with a "|" character. It will be ignored on CW, but will stop the 'diddle' on digital operation. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/22/2019 5:47 PM, qrp5w at roadrunner.com wrote: > Wayne, > > Please consider adding a feature in the next KX3 (and others) update-the ability to turn diddle on or off during during idle input from the paddle or terminal. Please, please! > From ve3iay at gmail.com Fri Mar 22 18:34:52 2019 From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 18:34:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3s filter setting with the K3 Utility Message-ID: I muffed the last part of my previous message, didn't I? Still, there are some higher-order effects that might push someone into configuring a roofing filter ti switch in at a slightly narrower setting than you might at first expect. 73, Rich VE3KI From ve3iay at gmail.com Fri Mar 22 19:05:47 2019 From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 19:05:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3s filter setting with the K3 Utility Message-ID: Earlier I gave an example of a situation where you might choose to enable a roofing filter at a bandwidth wider than the bandwidth marked on the filter. I also gave a poor example of enabling a filter at a narrower bandwidth. Here is a better one: You use a variety of digital modes with different bandwidths, one of which happens to be the same as or close to the bandwidth of one of your roofing filters. You find that when that roofing filter is engaged, that particular digital mode does not decode as well as it does with a wider filter setting. You might find that changing the configuration to switch that filter in at a narrower setting allows that particular mode to decode well, without having a noticeable adverse effect on the next narrower bandwidth mode you normally use. The likelihood of all this happening in combination with an actual need for a tight roofing filter because of nearby very strong signals might be quite low, but there is at least a theoretical possibility of such a scenario. There are probably more likely situations - just pointing out that it is not impossible that someone might want to do this. The good thing is, the capability is there if you somehow find that you need it. 73, Rich VE3KI From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Mar 22 19:08:35 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 16:08:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Legacy = Low Latency: FSK-D mode In-Reply-To: References: <733B5BE6-0FA6-4F36-9E16-BB43802A13EA@elecraft.com> Message-ID: On 3/22/2019 3:29 PM, Wes wrote: > DXCC certificate that actually says "RTTY" on it. Today it's harder to > find new ones, but I have 254 confirmed now with my modest station. Congrats on that.? I too am quite happy with AFSK. > > It's great fun and even though it's a "digital" mode, operator skill > still makes a difference. Yep. RTTY contesting can be a lot of fun, especially with SO2R. A couple of guys in our contest club, WK6I and W0YK, win RTTY contests running three radios.? And operator skill also matters with FT8, even though it's also possible to make QSOs with minimal operator involvement. > > Unfortunately, I heard one of the current DXpeditions plopped on > 14.080 using the abysmal FT8 That's because 1) RTTY is very difficult for the DXpedition operator in a pileup, making for slow QSO rates; 2)? the latest version of WSJT-X includes a "DXpedition mode" that allows far greater rates than RTTY; and the signal to noise advantage of FT8 over CW (moderate) and SSB (a lot) allows QSOs over more difficult paths and with more modest stations. 73, Jim K9YC From KM6LHD at gmail.com Fri Mar 22 19:49:10 2019 From: KM6LHD at gmail.com (mtwheatley) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 16:49:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 FT8 on 17m anomaly In-Reply-To: <1553277421666-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1553277421666-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1553298550356-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks to Bob, K4TAX, I found my problem. It was RF on the short cable between the remote tuner and my 43' vertical antenna, Some good snap on chokes fixed the problem. MIchael KM6LHD -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From seatools.w6zl at gmail.com Fri Mar 22 20:07:10 2019 From: seatools.w6zl at gmail.com (David Lee) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 17:07:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Legacy = Low Latency: FSK-D mode In-Reply-To: References: <733B5BE6-0FA6-4F36-9E16-BB43802A13EA@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <69017358-1cf9-6715-97f8-b0817e1fb87b@gmail.com> Sadly, ARRL doesn't offer the? "RTTY DXCC Award" anymore. Since 2011 they have combined it with other digital modes, it's now called "Digital DXCC". On July 25, 2011 the word ?Digital? began replacing ?RTTY" on these DXCC certificates. CQ magazine's WAZ (worked all 40 CQ zones) still has separate awards for RTTY and Digital. Dave W6ZL / KF6RY RTTY since 1967 (Model 28 KSR) On 3/22/2019 3:19 PM, Wes wrote: >> I waited until all of the frenzy subsided and bought myself a K3 back in '08 IIRC.? I was using a TS-870SAT primarily on SSB at the time and frankly, I was disappointed in the K3, particularly from an ergonomic point of view.? So in looking for a use for the K3 I investigated RTTY. Although I had been licensed for about 50 years at that time I had never operated RTTY.? I've never to this day used the internal RTTY capability, nor FSK for that matter, but I did start using AFSK.? I got hooked.? So I thought to try for DXCC and now have a DXCC certificate that actually says "RTTY" on it. Today it's harder to find new ones, but I have 254 confirmed now with my modest station. >> From ke8g.jim at gmail.com Fri Mar 22 20:15:51 2019 From: ke8g.jim at gmail.com (KE8G) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 20:15:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s won't connect to PC Message-ID: Hi All, Strange thing! I was working a DX station and my PC locked up, and kept sending my call sign. The only way to stop the RF was to turn the rig off. I let it sit for a minute or two, then turned it back on. The LCD screen flashed a ERR PTT. I disconnected the WinKeyer and plugged it back in and was able to work the station with the paddles, rather than N1MM+ Now, I can't get the K3s to connect to the PC (Win7 Pro 64bit). It shows as a unrecognized USB device in the Device Manager. I have shut everything down, PC, K3s, WinKeyer and removed power from all and let it sit for awhile. The PC starts fine, the K3s starts up fine (no ERR messages) and works well, the Winkeyer works fine. I know the K3s was communicating with the PC earlier, as I was using the K3 utility to set roofing filters I just installed in the sub receiver. Any suggestions on where to begin looking would be a great help. Thanks in advance. 73 de Jim - KE8G From frantz at pwpconsult.com Fri Mar 22 20:16:32 2019 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 17:16:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Legacy = Low Latency: FSK-D mode In-Reply-To: <733B5BE6-0FA6-4F36-9E16-BB43802A13EA@elecraft.com> Message-ID: On 3/22/19 at 9:14 AM, n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) wrote: >There are also a number of RTTY contests, in addition to >stations operating in RTTY mode during Field Day, etc. For a >calendar of events, see: > >https://www.rttycontesting.com/records/ > >If the contest exchange is simple (non-serialized), you can >probably operate entirely using the message memories. On the >KX2, CW and data-mode contacts can also be logged using the >rig's built-in logging function, then uploaded to a computer >when you get home. The Northern California Contest Club runs weekly RTTY practice sprints on Fridays, 0145Z - 0215Z (Thursday evening in NA) -- 1845 - 1915 PDT -- 2145 - 2215 EDT -- (others in-between those two) -- 160: 1805 and up (Last two minutes seem to be popular?) -- 80/40/20/15 +80kHz up from the band edge -- Same band dupes ok after 1 intervening Q. -- 1 kHz QSY rule, otherwise standard Sprint rules -- Mults per band. -- 100W power limit Please visit for complete rules and links to other info. If you find any problems with the web pages, please let me know so we can get them fixed. This can provide a good source of RTTY signals for listening, and you're more than welcome to join the fun. BTW, when I play in this sprint, I'm using the CAT interface from my computer to send and receive via the K3's RTTY support. 73 Bill AE6JV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | gets() remains as a monument | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | to C's continuing support of | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | buffer overruns. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Fri Mar 22 20:45:45 2019 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 17:45:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Legacy = Low Latency: FSK-D mode In-Reply-To: References: <733B5BE6-0FA6-4F36-9E16-BB43802A13EA@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <299c2289-3567-5e68-00d5-c573192535db@triconet.org> I know about FT8 DXPedition mode.? I have used it a couple of times just for the hell of it but I never claim DXCC credit for FT8 contacts.? I also know that 14080 isn't one of the "recommended" frequencies for FT8. I would argue about the efficacy compared to CW.? I know it reports all of those negative SNRs but they are bogus.? As to rates, when my friend Ned, AA7A, was operating RTTY from S. Georgia and S. Sandwich he was knocking them dead.? On 15 meters VP8SGI made almost the same number of RTTY contacts as SSB contacts.? They only operated RTTY on three bands yet about 10% of their total Qs were RTTY. Wes? N7WS On 3/22/2019 4:08 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On 3/22/2019 3:29 PM, Wes wrote: >> DXCC certificate that actually says "RTTY" on it. Today it's harder to find >> new ones, but I have 254 confirmed now with my modest station. > > Congrats on that.? I too am quite happy with AFSK. > >> >> It's great fun and even though it's a "digital" mode, operator skill still >> makes a difference. > > Yep. RTTY contesting can be a lot of fun, especially with SO2R. A couple of > guys in our contest club, WK6I and W0YK, win RTTY contests running three > radios.? And operator skill also matters with FT8, even though it's also > possible to make QSOs with minimal operator involvement. >> >> Unfortunately, I heard one of the current DXpeditions plopped on 14.080 using >> the abysmal FT8 > > That's because 1) RTTY is very difficult for the DXpedition operator in a > pileup, making for slow QSO rates; 2)? the latest version of WSJT-X includes a > "DXpedition mode" that allows far greater rates than RTTY; and the signal to > noise advantage of FT8 over CW (moderate) and SSB (a lot) allows QSOs over > more difficult paths and with more modest stations. > > 73, Jim K9YC From lists at subich.com Fri Mar 22 21:01:09 2019 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 21:01:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Legacy = Low Latency: FSK-D mode In-Reply-To: <299c2289-3567-5e68-00d5-c573192535db@triconet.org> References: <733B5BE6-0FA6-4F36-9E16-BB43802A13EA@elecraft.com> <299c2289-3567-5e68-00d5-c573192535db@triconet.org> Message-ID: <53c9ebc3-5302-fa19-96d0-59a8762e3290@subich.com> The issue is simply that DXPeditions mostly don't recruit quality RTTY operators. A quality/experienced operator with proper software (GRITTY and/or a "broadband"/multi-channel decoder) can run rates comparable with CW or SSB. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2019-03-22 8:45 PM, Wes wrote: > I know about FT8 DXPedition mode.? I have used it a couple of times just > for the hell of it but I never claim DXCC credit for FT8 contacts.? I > also know that 14080 isn't one of the "recommended" frequencies for FT8. > > I would argue about the efficacy compared to CW.? I know it reports all > of those negative SNRs but they are bogus.? As to rates, when my friend > Ned, AA7A, was operating RTTY from S. Georgia and S. Sandwich he was > knocking them dead.? On 15 meters VP8SGI made almost the same number of > RTTY contacts as SSB contacts. They only operated RTTY on three bands > yet about 10% of their total Qs were RTTY. > > Wes? N7WS > > > On 3/22/2019 4:08 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> On 3/22/2019 3:29 PM, Wes wrote: >>> DXCC certificate that actually says "RTTY" on it. Today it's harder >>> to find new ones, but I have 254 confirmed now with my modest station. >> >> Congrats on that.? I too am quite happy with AFSK. >> >>> >>> It's great fun and even though it's a "digital" mode, operator skill >>> still makes a difference. >> >> Yep. RTTY contesting can be a lot of fun, especially with SO2R. A >> couple of guys in our contest club, WK6I and W0YK, win RTTY contests >> running three radios.? And operator skill also matters with FT8, even >> though it's also possible to make QSOs with minimal operator involvement. >>> >>> Unfortunately, I heard one of the current DXpeditions plopped on >>> 14.080 using the abysmal FT8 >> >> That's because 1) RTTY is very difficult for the DXpedition operator >> in a pileup, making for slow QSO rates; 2)? the latest version of >> WSJT-X includes a "DXpedition mode" that allows far greater rates than >> RTTY; and the signal to noise advantage of FT8 over CW (moderate) and >> SSB (a lot) allows QSOs over more difficult paths and with more modest >> stations. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From rwnewbould at comcast.net Fri Mar 22 22:55:43 2019 From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 22:55:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3s filter setting with the K3 Utility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Since we are on this topic.? I have a question regarding the 500hz filter.?? From what I have read it is rated at 525hz.?? So would it be best configured to come on at 500hz or should I set it to 550hz.? I do not think you can set it to 525hz Thanks in advance Rich K3RWN On 3/22/2019 17:58 PM, Richard Ferch wrote: > There can be reasons to configure a roofing filter differently from its > nominal bandwidth. > > For example, I have a "250 Hz" filter. According to the filter plots on the > Elecraft web site, the 6 dB bandwidth of this filter is actually closer to > 375 Hz. I configured my filter to switch in at 350 Hz, which makes it much > more useful to me than it would be if I had configured it to switch in at > 250 Hz. > > If this filter is configured to switch in at 250 Hz in agreement with the > label, then when you set your DSP bandwidth to 300 Hz or 350 Hz, you will > be using the next wider filter in your receiver. Strong signals outside the > DSP bandwidth but inside the wider roofing filter's bandwidth can still > have bad effects, whereas if the filter is configured to switch in at 350 > Hz, you can take advantage of its ability to reduce those unwanted signals > with relatively minor impact on signals within the DSP bandwidth. > > Of course, if the bandwidth of the 250 Hz filter really was 250 Hz, > configuring it to switch in at 350 Hz would render the 300 Hz and 350 Hz > settings of the DSP filter somewhat less useful, since the actual bandwidth > of the filter combination would now be close to 250 Hz regardless of what > the DSP control said. > > There might be reasons to go in the other direction as well, i.e. to > configure a filter to switch in only at a narrower bandwidth than the > bandwidth marked on the filter. For example, if you had 500 Hz and 1000 Hz > filters and often used a digital mode whose bandwidth was, say, 750 Hz, you > could configure the 1000 Hz roofing filter to switch in only at 700 Hz and > below. This would give you better filtering between 500 Hz and 700 Hz than > without the 1000 Hz filter, while still permitting the 750 Hz mode signals > to pass through at DSP settings of 750 Hz and above without being > restricted by the roofing filter. > > 73, > Rich VE3KI > > > KA1J wrote: > > Is there any advantage to setting the 1.8 > above, say as 2. in the utility. > > Or to have the 200Hz filter engaged at say > 250? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Mar 22 23:05:05 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 23:05:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s won't connect to PC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jim, It sounds to me like your computer has corrupted driver files - maybe caused by some glitch in the computer or its power. Download and install the FTDI drivers. Then disconnect (not just power them down) the WinKeyer and all other other gear. See if you can connect using K3 Utility. If so, start adding back your other gear one at a time and see when it fails. If K3 Utility fails to connect, then an email to support at elecraft.com is in order. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/22/2019 8:15 PM, KE8G wrote: > Hi All, > Strange thing! I was working a DX station and my PC locked up, and kept > sending my call sign. The only way to stop the RF was to turn the rig > off. I let it sit for a minute or two, then turned it back on. The LCD > screen flashed a ERR PTT. I disconnected the WinKeyer and plugged it back > in and was able to work the station with the paddles, rather than N1MM+ > > Now, I can't get the K3s to connect to the PC (Win7 Pro 64bit). It shows > as a unrecognized USB device in the Device Manager. > > I have shut everything down, PC, K3s, WinKeyer and removed power from all > and let it sit for awhile. The PC starts fine, the K3s starts up fine (no > ERR messages) and works well, the Winkeyer works fine. > > I know the K3s was communicating with the PC earlier, as I was using the K3 > utility to set roofing filters I just installed in the sub receiver. From lists at w2irt.net Sat Mar 23 01:41:36 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 01:41:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Legacy = Low Latency: FSK-D mode In-Reply-To: <53c9ebc3-5302-fa19-96d0-59a8762e3290@subich.com> References: <733B5BE6-0FA6-4F36-9E16-BB43802A13EA@elecraft.com> <299c2289-3567-5e68-00d5-c573192535db@triconet.org> <53c9ebc3-5302-fa19-96d0-59a8762e3290@subich.com> Message-ID: <00be01d4e13b$156cf810$4046e830$@w2irt.net> I concur. There have been some great RTTY ops at times, but more Dxpeditions had it as an afterthought and it showed in their rates. I've always hated RTTY pileups as a DXer. You need to have two active windows and a lot of luck finding the 599 on the second one, especially in a lidfest where nobody stops sending when the DX calls someone. I'm currently sitting at 329 worked in digital, every one of them was on RTTY (including deleteds; 327 without). Included in there were some truly hellacious pileups 15-30 kHz wide. While I still enjoy the mode for simplex DXing or a simple "up 3", for high-demand DXpeditions I am grudgingly accepting that FT8 F/H is the way of the future, and will make a lot of DXers happy down the line. With Bouvet slated for FT8 as the sole digital mode, I'm hoping somehow to get another 4 more that I still need the old way, then I can hang the diddle up for good. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 9:01 PM To: Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Legacy = Low Latency: FSK-D mode The issue is simply that DXPeditions mostly don't recruit quality RTTY operators. A quality/experienced operator with proper software (GRITTY and/or a "broadband"/multi-channel decoder) can run rates comparable with CW or SSB. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2019-03-22 8:45 PM, Wes wrote: > I know about FT8 DXPedition mode. I have used it a couple of times > just for the hell of it but I never claim DXCC credit for FT8 > contacts. I also know that 14080 isn't one of the "recommended" frequencies for FT8. > > I would argue about the efficacy compared to CW. I know it reports > all of those negative SNRs but they are bogus. As to rates, when my > friend Ned, AA7A, was operating RTTY from S. Georgia and S. Sandwich > he was knocking them dead. On 15 meters VP8SGI made almost the same > number of RTTY contacts as SSB contacts. They only operated RTTY on > three bands yet about 10% of their total Qs were RTTY. > > Wes N7WS > > > On 3/22/2019 4:08 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> On 3/22/2019 3:29 PM, Wes wrote: >>> DXCC certificate that actually says "RTTY" on it. Today it's harder >>> to find new ones, but I have 254 confirmed now with my modest station. >> >> Congrats on that. I too am quite happy with AFSK. >> >>> >>> It's great fun and even though it's a "digital" mode, operator skill >>> still makes a difference. >> >> Yep. RTTY contesting can be a lot of fun, especially with SO2R. A >> couple of guys in our contest club, WK6I and W0YK, win RTTY contests >> running three radios. And operator skill also matters with FT8, even >> though it's also possible to make QSOs with minimal operator involvement. >>> >>> Unfortunately, I heard one of the current DXpeditions plopped on >>> 14.080 using the abysmal FT8 >> >> That's because 1) RTTY is very difficult for the DXpedition operator >> in a pileup, making for slow QSO rates; 2) the latest version of >> WSJT-X includes a "DXpedition mode" that allows far greater rates >> than RTTY; and the signal to noise advantage of FT8 over CW >> (moderate) and SSB (a lot) allows QSOs over more difficult paths and >> with more modest stations. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From dl2mdu at darc.de Sat Mar 23 01:51:55 2019 From: dl2mdu at darc.de (Christian Friess) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 06:51:55 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s won't connect to PC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <997147b0-db0e-67fe-0987-7bd1ba7bdeb2@darc.de> Hi Jim, even if you haven't changed any settings before I would check the COM Port settings like Baud rate etc. at the N1MM+ Check the settings at the K3S too. Next should be the connection from K3S to PC. If you have another cable. Give it a try If you boot the PC make sure the K3S is already ON 73 de Chris, DL2MDU Am 23.03.2019 um 01:15 schrieb KE8G: > Hi All, > Strange thing! I was working a DX station and my PC locked up, and kept > sending my call sign. The only way to stop the RF was to turn the rig > off. I let it sit for a minute or two, then turned it back on. The LCD > screen flashed a ERR PTT. I disconnected the WinKeyer and plugged it back > in and was able to work the station with the paddles, rather than N1MM+ > > Now, I can't get the K3s to connect to the PC (Win7 Pro 64bit). It shows > as a unrecognized USB device in the Device Manager. > > I have shut everything down, PC, K3s, WinKeyer and removed power from all > and let it sit for awhile. The PC starts fine, the K3s starts up fine (no > ERR messages) and works well, the Winkeyer works fine. > > I know the K3s was communicating with the PC earlier, as I was using the K3 > utility to set roofing filters I just installed in the sub receiver. > > Any suggestions on where to begin looking would be a great help. > > Thanks in advance. > 73 de Jim - KE8G > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sat Mar 23 11:12:10 2019 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 08:12:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Legacy = Low Latency: FSK-D mode In-Reply-To: <00be01d4e13b$156cf810$4046e830$@w2irt.net> References: <733B5BE6-0FA6-4F36-9E16-BB43802A13EA@elecraft.com> <299c2289-3567-5e68-00d5-c573192535db@triconet.org> <53c9ebc3-5302-fa19-96d0-59a8762e3290@subich.com> <00be01d4e13b$156cf810$4046e830$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: Congratulations on your achievement! Very impressive. I need two, SV/A and FR/G, for top of the Honor Roll (mixed).? My QRZ,com bio describes my station so I won't repeat it here, except to say that I have never owned a transceiver with two receivers.? I'm not discounting the idea that two receives might be more effective in some cases, but I (obviously) don't think they are a requirement for working DX pileups. Case in point:? As I said before I worked both VP8STI and VP8SGI on RTTY.? AFAIK, Ned, AA7A was operating both times.? I spent two hours calling him on 20m, while trying to figure out his pattern before I figured out that he didn't have one!? I confirmed with him in person later that this was the case.? He randomly tuned after every contact. I finally went up (from my log) 8 kHz and he found me.? Trying to find the last guy worked is pointless sometimes. Regrettably, I think you are correct about FT8.? Even the aforementioned AA7A in a presentation to our DX club discussed this.? He has become a big promoter, and I believe worked on DXpedition mode development.? He asked, "By a show of hands, how many of you RTTY guys listen to the audio?"? I raised my hand.? He shook his head and said that one reason that he really liked FT8 as a expedition operator was that he didn't have to listen to it. I won't editorialize further. Wes? N7WS On 3/22/2019 10:41 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > I concur. There have been some great RTTY ops at times, but more Dxpeditions had it as an afterthought and it showed in their rates. I've always hated RTTY pileups as a DXer. You need to have two active windows and a lot of luck finding the 599 on the second one, especially in a lidfest where nobody stops sending when the DX calls someone. > > I'm currently sitting at 329 worked in digital, every one of them was on RTTY (including deleteds; 327 without). Included in there were some truly hellacious pileups 15-30 kHz wide. While I still enjoy the mode for simplex DXing or a simple "up 3", for high-demand DXpeditions I am grudgingly accepting that FT8 F/H is the way of the future, and will make a lot of DXers happy down the line. > > With Bouvet slated for FT8 as the sole digital mode, I'm hoping somehow to get another 4 more that I still need the old way, then I can hang the diddle up for good. > > - pjd > From w4kx at mac.com Sat Mar 23 12:00:44 2019 From: w4kx at mac.com (Tom Doligalski) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 12:00:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sub Receiver stopped working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5968E1BB-439B-4448-96CE-14C69F20D2B7@mac.com> I often find the second receiver switching to ANT 2, which on my K3 is a dummy load. Easy to diagnose and fix using BSET, but a bit annoying. Tom W4KX Sent from my iPad > On Mar 22, 2019, at 11:59 AM, KE8G wrote: > > Hi All, > I need some suggestions on where to start trouble shooting. I looked at > Nabble and I have checked all that is listed there and no luck. > > The sub receiver was working perfectly. I took the radio apart to add some > new filters to the sub receiver. It originally had two of them; configured > as 2.8Khz, then a 400Hz right next to it, and then 3 blank slots. I > removed the 400Hz, the the filters are in the following order; 2.8Khz, > blank slot, 1.0Hz, 400Hz, and finally 250Hz in the 5th slot. > > I used the K3 utility to configure them, with the appropriate settings for > each filter. > > When using the radio, I have both the main and sub receiver on the Main > antenna. If I tune to a strong signal on the band, using just the main > receiver, I hear on both sides of the headphones. When I engage the sub > receiver, I still hear the signal in the left ear, but the right ear goes > to just white noise. > > When the sub receiver is engaged, I can hear sounds in the left ear when > pushing any buttons on the radio. > > I am somewhat stumped, as I was very diligent in disassembly and then > re-assembling it. Using most current firmware, 5.66. > > Please advise. > 73 de Jim - KE8G > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From tony.kaz at verizon.net Sat Mar 23 12:33:29 2019 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (tony.kaz at verizon.net) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 12:33:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3s won't connect to PC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0e3801d4e196$25ff7670$71fe6350$@verizon.net> Don, Using the K3 Utility is good advice. Yesterday for some reason when I had updated WIN10, the one port changed numbers. And of all the ports I use for both K3's and all the programs and hardware, that was the only one that changed from 16 to 12. Go figure. Went into Device Manager and changed the port number back to what it was. Weird. 73, N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft-K3 at groups.io On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 11:05 PM To: KE8G ; Elecraft ; Elecraft-K3 at groups.io Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] [Elecraft] K3s won't connect to PC Jim, It sounds to me like your computer has corrupted driver files - maybe caused by some glitch in the computer or its power. Download and install the FTDI drivers. Then disconnect (not just power them down) the WinKeyer and all other other gear. See if you can connect using K3 Utility. If so, start adding back your other gear one at a time and see when it fails. If K3 Utility fails to connect, then an email to support at elecraft.com is in order. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/22/2019 8:15 PM, KE8G wrote: > Hi All, > Strange thing! I was working a DX station and my PC locked up, and > kept sending my call sign. The only way to stop the RF was to turn > the rig off. I let it sit for a minute or two, then turned it back > on. The LCD screen flashed a ERR PTT. I disconnected the WinKeyer > and plugged it back in and was able to work the station with the > paddles, rather than N1MM+ > > Now, I can't get the K3s to connect to the PC (Win7 Pro 64bit). It > shows as a unrecognized USB device in the Device Manager. > > I have shut everything down, PC, K3s, WinKeyer and removed power from > all and let it sit for awhile. The PC starts fine, the K3s starts up > fine (no ERR messages) and works well, the Winkeyer works fine. > > I know the K3s was communicating with the PC earlier, as I was using > the K3 utility to set roofing filters I just installed in the sub receiver. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#30596): https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-K3/message/30596 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/30723742/669041 Group Owner: Elecraft-K3+owner at groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-K3/leave/1872144/624467674/xyzzy [tony.kaz at verizon.net] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From ke8g.jim at gmail.com Sat Mar 23 13:45:05 2019 From: ke8g.jim at gmail.com (KE8G) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 13:45:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3s won't connect to PC In-Reply-To: <0e3801d4e196$25ff7670$71fe6350$@verizon.net> References: <0e3801d4e196$25ff7670$71fe6350$@verizon.net> Message-ID: Well, I have done all the suggested tests and configurations. The K3s USB to PC connection is just not making it. The only COM ports showing up in the Device Manager are all accounted for and no new ones are present. I have tried different USB ports on the PC and different USB cables; all resulting in a message telling me the PC doesn't recognized the K3s as a USB device. I have removed the K3s USB to PC wire and am now using a KUSB via RS232 to the K3s and it is functioning perfectly. I have N1mm+ working & the Winkeyer working with this setup with no problems. I truly believe I'll be sending the K3s to Elecraft for repairs. I will call them on Monday. 73 de Jim - KE8G On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 12:37 PM wrote: > Don, > Using the K3 Utility is good advice. > Yesterday for some reason when I had updated WIN10, the one port changed > numbers. And of all the ports I use for both K3's and all the programs and > hardware, that was the only one that changed from 16 to 12. Go figure. Went > into Device Manager and changed the port number back to what it was. Weird. > 73, > N2TK, Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft-K3 at groups.io On Behalf Of Don > Wilhelm > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 11:05 PM > To: KE8G ; Elecraft ; > Elecraft-K3 at groups.io > Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] [Elecraft] K3s won't connect to PC > > Jim, > > It sounds to me like your computer has corrupted driver files - maybe > caused by some glitch in the computer or its power. > Download and install the FTDI drivers. > > Then disconnect (not just power them down) the WinKeyer and all other > other gear. See if you can connect using K3 Utility. If so, start adding > back your other gear one at a time and see when it fails. > > If K3 Utility fails to connect, then an email to support at elecraft.com is > in order. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/22/2019 8:15 PM, KE8G wrote: > > Hi All, > > Strange thing! I was working a DX station and my PC locked up, and > > kept sending my call sign. The only way to stop the RF was to turn > > the rig off. I let it sit for a minute or two, then turned it back > > on. The LCD screen flashed a ERR PTT. I disconnected the WinKeyer > > and plugged it back in and was able to work the station with the > > paddles, rather than N1MM+ > > > > Now, I can't get the K3s to connect to the PC (Win7 Pro 64bit). It > > shows as a unrecognized USB device in the Device Manager. > > > > I have shut everything down, PC, K3s, WinKeyer and removed power from > > all and let it sit for awhile. The PC starts fine, the K3s starts up > > fine (no ERR messages) and works well, the Winkeyer works fine. > > > > I know the K3s was communicating with the PC earlier, as I was using > > the K3 utility to set roofing filters I just installed in the sub > receiver. > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. > > View/Reply Online (#30596): https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-K3/message/30596 > Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/30723742/669041 > Group Owner: Elecraft-K3+owner at groups.io > Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-K3/leave/1872144/624467674/xyzzy > [tony.kaz at verizon.net] > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > From g4gnx at g4gnx.com Sat Mar 23 14:11:15 2019 From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (G4GNX) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 18:11:15 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3s won't connect to PC In-Reply-To: References: <0e3801d4e196$25ff7670$71fe6350$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <37E52D69F4694BA5BCB86A93849782C4@G4GNXLaptop> Jim. I presume that you have set the CONFIG:RS232 parameter to USB ? Page 18 of the K3S User Manual. There?s nothing in the replies (below) that seems to suggest doing this. 73, Alan. G4GNX From: KE8G Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 5:45 PM To: tony.kaz at verizon.net Cc: Elecraft-K3 at groups.io ; Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] [Elecraft] K3s won't connect to PC Well, I have done all the suggested tests and configurations. The K3s USB to PC connection is just not making it. The only COM ports showing up in the Device Manager are all accounted for and no new ones are present. I have tried different USB ports on the PC and different USB cables; all resulting in a message telling me the PC doesn't recognized the K3s as a USB device. I have removed the K3s USB to PC wire and am now using a KUSB via RS232 to the K3s and it is functioning perfectly. I have N1mm+ working & the Winkeyer working with this setup with no problems. I truly believe I'll be sending the K3s to Elecraft for repairs. I will call them on Monday. 73 de Jim - KE8G On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 12:37 PM wrote: Don, Using the K3 Utility is good advice. Yesterday for some reason when I had updated WIN10, the one port changed numbers. And of all the ports I use for both K3's and all the programs and hardware, that was the only one that changed from 16 to 12. Go figure. Went into Device Manager and changed the port number back to what it was. Weird. 73, N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft-K3 at groups.io On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 11:05 PM To: KE8G ; Elecraft ; Elecraft-K3 at groups.io Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] [Elecraft] K3s won't connect to PC Jim, It sounds to me like your computer has corrupted driver files - maybe caused by some glitch in the computer or its power. Download and install the FTDI drivers. Then disconnect (not just power them down) the WinKeyer and all other other gear. See if you can connect using K3 Utility. If so, start adding back your other gear one at a time and see when it fails. If K3 Utility fails to connect, then an email to support at elecraft.com is in order. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/22/2019 8:15 PM, KE8G wrote: > Hi All, > Strange thing! I was working a DX station and my PC locked up, and > kept sending my call sign. The only way to stop the RF was to turn > the rig off. I let it sit for a minute or two, then turned it back > on. The LCD screen flashed a ERR PTT. I disconnected the WinKeyer > and plugged it back in and was able to work the station with the > paddles, rather than N1MM+ > > Now, I can't get the K3s to connect to the PC (Win7 Pro 64bit). It > shows as a unrecognized USB device in the Device Manager. > > I have shut everything down, PC, K3s, WinKeyer and removed power from > all and let it sit for awhile. The PC starts fine, the K3s starts up > fine (no ERR messages) and works well, the Winkeyer works fine. > > I know the K3s was communicating with the PC earlier, as I was using > the K3 utility to set roofing filters I just installed in the sub receiver. _._,_._,_ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#30601) | Reply To Group | Reply To Sender | Mute This Topic | New Topic Your Subscription | Contact Group Owner | Unsubscribe [g4gnx at g4gnx.com] _._,_._,_ From ab2tc at arrl.net Sat Mar 23 14:38:29 2019 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 11:38:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Possible OT: Bouvet Island again Message-ID: <1553366309389-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi all, The 3Y0I expedition is now finally under way. I started my search for information here: https://dx-world.net/3y0i-bouvet-island/ I looked at the official web site, the Facebook page and the tracking page. Alas, I can not find much information. No equipment list, no operator list, no band plans, etc. etc. Am I missing something or are these folks extremely secretive? AB2TC - Knut PS. I am guessing if they have any Elecraft equipment we would have heard about it here. -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From mails at qrp4fun.de Sat Mar 23 15:09:02 2019 From: mails at qrp4fun.de (Ingo Meyer, DK3RED) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 20:09:02 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Possible OT: Bouvet Island again In-Reply-To: <1553366309389-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1553366309389-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5c42dd66-6897-125f-2956-6a90c191a994@qrp4fun.de> Hello Knut, > The 3Y0I expedition is now finally under way. I started my search for > information here: > > https://dx-world.net/3y0i-bouvet-island/ > > I looked at the official web site, the Facebook page and the tracking page. > Alas, I can not find much information. No equipment list, no operator list, > no band plans, etc. etc. Am I missing something or are these folks extremely > secretive? The official webpage at says, "the Team will NOT monitor DX clusters nor personal email boxes during the DXpedition." So I think a lot of informations will not be displayed, only at 73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power! www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sat Mar 23 15:44:57 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 14:44:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Possible OT: Bouvet Island again In-Reply-To: <5c42dd66-6897-125f-2956-6a90c191a994@qrp4fun.de> References: <1553366309389-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <5c42dd66-6897-125f-2956-6a90c191a994@qrp4fun.de> Message-ID: <71465623-d3a2-b81d-2fe7-3d7ea57bf294@blomand.net> Is this saying that we will have to "work" DX to get contacts where as using spotters, DX lists, and DX Clusters is more like shooting birds in a cage.? Oh my! This means one will need large antennas, multiple receivers, legal limit power and all the computer technology one can muster.??? Plus a wee bit of patience and a lot of luck.?? On the other hand, I figure with my wire antenna and 100 watts, shouldn't be much of an issue.? I'll let you know. 73 Bob, K4TAX From ar at dseven.org Sat Mar 23 15:53:23 2019 From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 12:53:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3 / K3s] Both TX Inhibit and Remote Power On ability? In-Reply-To: <4b1471c1-e2bf-d4e6-0330-16f01ab51e59@gmail.com> References: <4b1471c1-e2bf-d4e6-0330-16f01ab51e59@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 3:25 AM Warren Merkel wrote: > > Given: CONFIG: TX INH > > I would like to be able to control TX Inhibit externally from a my > custom antenna controller, yet retain the ability to power up the K3 via > the RCForb RemoteHams method. > > Given that the TX Inhibit and the Remote Power On features share the > same ACC pin 7 and are mutually exclusive, has anyone found a way to > have both abilities simultaneously ? Use pin 8 to power on remotely. Pin 7 can be an *output* that indicates when power is on, or an input for TX Inhibit. 73, ~iain / N6ML From turnbull at net1.ie Sat Mar 23 16:00:06 2019 From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 20:00:06 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Possible OT: Bouvet Island again In-Reply-To: <71465623-d3a2-b81d-2fe7-3d7ea57bf294@blomand.net> References: <1553366309389-0.post@n2.nabble.com><5c42dd66-6897-125f-2956-6a90c191a994@qrp4fun.de> <71465623-d3a2-b81d-2fe7-3d7ea57bf294@blomand.net> Message-ID: <9ADFE5C1D8FD4035944AC5D643346370@DougTPC> None of this stops people from spotting them. I think they are a bit annoyed at some comments made previously. Not to worry let us cheer them on. 73 Doug EI2CN -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX Sent: 23 March 2019 19:45 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Possible OT: Bouvet Island again Is this saying that we will have to "work" DX to get contacts where as using spotters, DX lists, and DX Clusters is more like shooting birds in a cage.? Oh my! This means one will need large antennas, multiple receivers, legal limit power and all the computer technology one can muster.??? Plus a wee bit of patience and a lot of luck.?? On the other hand, I figure with my wire antenna and 100 watts, shouldn't be much of an issue.? I'll let you know. 73 Bob, K4TAX ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From ebasilier at cox.net Sat Mar 23 16:05:18 2019 From: ebasilier at cox.net (Erik Basilier) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 13:05:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3s filter setting with the K3 Utility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02ae01d4e1b3$bd533710$37f9a530$@cox.net> If I understand correctly what Rich is saying, it could be exemplified like this: "If you want e.g. a 2.1 kHz bandwidth to receive a digital signal, and use a 2.1 kHz roofing filter in addition to a DSP setting of 2.1 kHz, you may find that it won't decode as well as using a 2.8 kHz roofing filter along with the 2.1 kHz DSP setting." That reminds me of what I have sometimes imagined observing in receiving SSB. This may be just my imagination, but I thought the voice sounded bad if I set the DSP to the same width as the roofing filter. I have used the utility to make sure the roofing filter is always at leas slightly wider than the DSP setting. Since that change I have been much happier with SSB receive voice quality. Is this just in my head? Flames accepted. If I am right, it suggests that the crystal filters somehow have a negative effect on voice quality. My guess would be that this comes from phase non-linearity at the edges of the crystal filters. Haven't we heard that Elecraft checks/selects roofing filters to ensure minimal phase distortion? Of course, the phase distortion would negatively affect digital signal demodulation as well. 73, Erik K7TV -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Richard Ferch Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 4:06 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/K3s filter setting with the K3 Utility Earlier I gave an example of a situation where you might choose to enable a roofing filter at a bandwidth wider than the bandwidth marked on the filter. I also gave a poor example of enabling a filter at a narrower bandwidth. Here is a better one: You use a variety of digital modes with different bandwidths, one of which happens to be the same as or close to the bandwidth of one of your roofing filters. You find that when that roofing filter is engaged, that particular digital mode does not decode as well as it does with a wider filter setting. You might find that changing the configuration to switch that filter in at a narrower setting allows that particular mode to decode well, without having a noticeable adverse effect on the next narrower bandwidth mode you normally use. The likelihood of all this happening in combination with an actual need for a tight roofing filter because of nearby very strong signals might be quite low, but there is at least a theoretical possibility of such a scenario. There are probably more likely situations - just pointing out that it is not impossible that someone might want to do this. The good thing is, the capability is there if you somehow find that you need it. 73, Rich VE3KI ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From w7dxx at w7dxx.com Sat Mar 23 16:09:55 2019 From: w7dxx at w7dxx.com (Keith Lamonica) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 14:09:55 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Blouvet Message-ID: W7DXX remote is ready for Bouvet with a brand new KPA1500. (www.w7dxx.com) From ab2tc at arrl.net Sat Mar 23 17:34:14 2019 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 14:34:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Bouvet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1553376854962-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Elecrafters, His site asks the question "is this legal?" Presumably, as far as FCC is concerned it is. But if I work Bouvet using this remote, can I really claim DXCC credit for myself for it? It would seem exceptionally unfair. Doesn't ARRL have a rule for as how far you can move from place to place and still claim accumulated DXCC credits? I find this highly troubling. I would never use this. I want my DXCC to be real (well over 200 credits from 100W (K3 of course) and a dipole at a single location). AB2TC - Knut PS. I fixed the typo in the subject line. PS. Is this expedition for real? They are heading into stormy fall weather and expect to stay on the island for more than two weeks. Do they have any helicopters? I thought the Norwegian government forbade beach landings due to the disruption if wildlife. Keith Lamonica-2 wrote > W7DXX remote is ready for Bouvet with a brand new KPA1500. (www.w7dxx.com) > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: > Elecraft at .qth > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From eric at elecraft.com Sat Mar 23 17:35:37 2019 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 14:35:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Possible OT: Bouvet Island again In-Reply-To: <1553366309389-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1553366309389-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <8366C2E1-FEA2-4176-B1C4-5C2494A2774C@elecraft.com> Dom has at least one K3 and KPA500 in his possession at home from a prior Dxpedition (TI9). But we do not know what they are using on this one. They may be using personally owned radios as I did not see any radio manufacturers listed on their earlier (now deleted) web page. 73, Eric elecraft.com _..._ > On Mar 23, 2019, at 11:38 AM, ab2tc wrote: > > Hi all, > > The 3Y0I expedition is now finally under way. I started my search for > information here: > > https://dx-world.net/3y0i-bouvet-island/ > > I looked at the official web site, the Facebook page and the tracking page. > Alas, I can not find much information. No equipment list, no operator list, > no band plans, etc. etc. Am I missing something or are these folks extremely > secretive? > > AB2TC - Knut > > PS. I am guessing if they have any Elecraft equipment we would have heard > about it here. > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From W2xj at w2xj.net Sat Mar 23 17:46:38 2019 From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 17:46:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Blouvet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <72D4C522-32B5-4DF1-B208-53ACBAF80E51@w2xj.net> Is the same Keith from radio in the sixties? Sent from my iPad > On Mar 23, 2019, at 4:09 PM, Keith Lamonica wrote: > > W7DXX remote is ready for Bouvet with a brand new KPA1500. (www.w7dxx.com) > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Mar 23 18:05:35 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 18:05:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Bouvet In-Reply-To: <1553376854962-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1553376854962-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <6c989a04-01cb-51cf-f142-3c018cf98d9e@embarqmail.com> Knut, If I recall, the DXCC credit is for the location of the transmitting station, so if you are operating remotely, it would be the location of the station you are remoting into, not your control location. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/23/2019 5:34 PM, ab2tc wrote: > Hi Elecrafters, > > His site asks the question "is this legal?" Presumably, as far as FCC is > concerned it is. But if I work Bouvet using this remote, can I really claim > DXCC credit for myself for it? It would seem exceptionally unfair. Doesn't > ARRL have a rule for as how far you can move from place to place and still > claim accumulated DXCC credits? I find this highly troubling. I would never > use this. I want my DXCC to be real (well over 200 credits from 100W (K3 of > course) and a dipole at a single location). From nr4c at widomaker.com Sat Mar 23 18:20:43 2019 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 18:20:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3s won't connect to PC In-Reply-To: <0e3801d4e196$25ff7670$71fe6350$@verizon.net> References: <0e3801d4e196$25ff7670$71fe6350$@verizon.net> Message-ID: If it?s a K3S, be sure CONFIG:RS242 is set to USB if you are using the supplied USB cable. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 23, 2019, at 12:33 PM, tony.kaz--- via Elecraft wrote: > > Don, > Using the K3 Utility is good advice. > Yesterday for some reason when I had updated WIN10, the one port changed numbers. And of all the ports I use for both K3's and all the programs and hardware, that was the only one that changed from 16 to 12. Go figure. Went into Device Manager and changed the port number back to what it was. Weird. > 73, > N2TK, Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft-K3 at groups.io On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 11:05 PM > To: KE8G ; Elecraft ; Elecraft-K3 at groups.io > Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K3] [Elecraft] K3s won't connect to PC > > Jim, > > It sounds to me like your computer has corrupted driver files - maybe caused by some glitch in the computer or its power. > Download and install the FTDI drivers. > > Then disconnect (not just power them down) the WinKeyer and all other other gear. See if you can connect using K3 Utility. If so, start adding back your other gear one at a time and see when it fails. > > If K3 Utility fails to connect, then an email to support at elecraft.com is in order. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 3/22/2019 8:15 PM, KE8G wrote: >> Hi All, >> Strange thing! I was working a DX station and my PC locked up, and >> kept sending my call sign. The only way to stop the RF was to turn >> the rig off. I let it sit for a minute or two, then turned it back >> on. The LCD screen flashed a ERR PTT. I disconnected the WinKeyer >> and plugged it back in and was able to work the station with the >> paddles, rather than N1MM+ >> >> Now, I can't get the K3s to connect to the PC (Win7 Pro 64bit). It >> shows as a unrecognized USB device in the Device Manager. >> >> I have shut everything down, PC, K3s, WinKeyer and removed power from >> all and let it sit for awhile. The PC starts fine, the K3s starts up >> fine (no ERR messages) and works well, the Winkeyer works fine. >> From wa6nhc at gmail.com Sat Mar 23 18:24:15 2019 From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 15:24:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Bouvet In-Reply-To: <6c989a04-01cb-51cf-f142-3c018cf98d9e@embarqmail.com> References: <1553376854962-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <6c989a04-01cb-51cf-f142-3c018cf98d9e@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <8bb354b5-225d-78cb-d391-3279d0529149@gmail.com> While the ARRL has accepted remotes as 'legal' for DXCC credit (a dubious decision) IF the user is within the same entity as the rest of the DXCC entries on the application, it then becomes a moral issue.? It's faster than driving around the entity for better propagation, also entirely 'legit'; or owning several stations scattered about (also legal for DXCC and brings up the argument of 'buying' the DXCC, ignored for the moment). Ultimately, all operators must live with the moral choices they've made... no one else can shame or praise them as much as they do to themselves; presuming that each is honest to ones self. I can say with certainty that every entry in my log was made with my radio, using my antenna(s) that I put up personally (sometimes with assistance in this arena).? Since I don't really compete against others and my fiercest competition, is me.? That is the (moral) choice one must use; to be true to self.? I refer to any DXCC standings, simply to see how I'm doing in the overall 'game'.? Using my station remotely while traveling, doesn't affect that; it's still MY station. In fairness, not everyone can have a station these days (HOA, budget, space) so there is a place for a remote station... I'm not belittling that.? But HOW it's used, is again, a moral choice.? For me, having a selection of rented stations about, just to use the best propagation, violates my ethics.? Choose wisely, you have to live with yourself. 73 Rick NHC On 3/23/2019 3:05 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Knut, > > If I recall, the DXCC credit is for the location of the transmitting > station, so if you are operating remotely, it would be the location of > the station you are remoting into, not your control location. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 3/23/2019 5:34 PM, ab2tc wrote: >> Hi Elecrafters, >> >> His site asks the question "is this legal?" Presumably, as far as FCC is >> concerned it is. But if I work Bouvet using this remote, can I really >> claim >> DXCC credit for myself for it? It would seem exceptionally unfair. >> Doesn't >> ARRL have a rule for as how far you can move from place to place and >> still >> claim accumulated DXCC credits? I find this highly troubling. I would >> never >> use this. I want my DXCC to be real (well over 200 credits from 100W >> (K3 of >> course) and a dipole at a single location). From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Mar 23 18:32:41 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 18:32:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3s won't connect to PC In-Reply-To: <0e3801d4e196$25ff7670$71fe6350$@verizon.net> References: <0e3801d4e196$25ff7670$71fe6350$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <198832b4-8486-ddfe-a0a5-a65f97bef912@embarqmail.com> Checking communications capability with K3 Utility is always a good first step when you have problems with communications with the K3/K3S (similar for KX3/KX2). If the Utility can communicate, then you should know to look to your computer applications and their setup information for the problem. If the Utility cannot connect, it is either a computer port assignment problem, a USB to serial adapter problem (including the adapter built into the K3S) or a K3/K3S problem. So depending on the results of the K3 Utility "Test Communications", you will know where to look for the problem. Often it is a computer problem such as Tony discovered. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/23/2019 12:33 PM, tony.kaz--- via Elecraft wrote: > Don, > Using the K3 Utility is good advice. > Yesterday for some reason when I had updated WIN10, the one port changed numbers. And of all the ports I use for both K3's and all the programs and hardware, that was the only one that changed from 16 to 12. Go figure. Went into Device Manager and changed the port number back to what it was. Weird. From marvwheeler at nwlink.com Sat Mar 23 18:57:53 2019 From: marvwheeler at nwlink.com (marvwheeler at nwlink.com) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 15:57:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Bouvet In-Reply-To: <8bb354b5-225d-78cb-d391-3279d0529149@gmail.com> References: <1553376854962-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <6c989a04-01cb-51cf-f142-3c018cf98d9e@embarqmail.com> <8bb354b5-225d-78cb-d391-3279d0529149@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001d4e1cb$d9402f60$8bc08e20$@nwlink.com> Well said Rick. -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Rick WA6NHC Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 3:24 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Bouvet While the ARRL has accepted remotes as 'legal' for DXCC credit (a dubious decision) IF the user is within the same entity as the rest of the DXCC entries on the application, it then becomes a moral issue. It's faster than driving around the entity for better propagation, also entirely 'legit'; or owning several stations scattered about (also legal for DXCC and brings up the argument of 'buying' the DXCC, ignored for the moment). Ultimately, all operators must live with the moral choices they've made... no one else can shame or praise them as much as they do to themselves; presuming that each is honest to ones self. I can say with certainty that every entry in my log was made with my radio, using my antenna(s) that I put up personally (sometimes with assistance in this arena). Since I don't really compete against others and my fiercest competition, is me. That is the (moral) choice one must use; to be true to self. I refer to any DXCC standings, simply to see how I'm doing in the overall 'game'. Using my station remotely while traveling, doesn't affect that; it's still MY station. In fairness, not everyone can have a station these days (HOA, budget, space) so there is a place for a remote station... I'm not belittling that. But HOW it's used, is again, a moral choice. For me, having a selection of rented stations about, just to use the best propagation, violates my ethics. Choose wisely, you have to live with yourself. 73 Rick NHC On 3/23/2019 3:05 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Knut, > > If I recall, the DXCC credit is for the location of the transmitting > station, so if you are operating remotely, it would be the location of > the station you are remoting into, not your control location. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 3/23/2019 5:34 PM, ab2tc wrote: >> Hi Elecrafters, >> >> His site asks the question "is this legal?" Presumably, as far as FCC >> is concerned it is. But if I work Bouvet using this remote, can I >> really claim DXCC credit for myself for it? It would seem >> exceptionally unfair. >> Doesn't >> ARRL have a rule for as how far you can move from place to place and >> still claim accumulated DXCC credits? I find this highly troubling. I >> would never use this. I want my DXCC to be real (well over 200 >> credits from 100W >> (K3 of >> course) and a dipole at a single location). ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From ab2tc at arrl.net Sat Mar 23 19:04:24 2019 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 16:04:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Bouvet In-Reply-To: <8bb354b5-225d-78cb-d391-3279d0529149@gmail.com> References: <1553376854962-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <6c989a04-01cb-51cf-f142-3c018cf98d9e@embarqmail.com> <8bb354b5-225d-78cb-d391-3279d0529149@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1553382264936-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Rick and all, Clearly, operating your own home station from a remote location is not a problem at all, morally or legally. Operating a remote "superstation", even if domestic, from your home location (or other place) in order to add DXCC credits to your home call clearly is. So you are saying that's as long as the "superstation" is domestic, it's OK. Rules need to be changed. See Eric, I didn't end the sentence with "period". I am learning. AB2TC - Knut Rick WA6NHC-2 wrote > While the ARRL has accepted remotes as 'legal' for DXCC credit (a > dubious decision) IF the user is within the same entity as the rest of > the DXCC entries on the application, it then becomes a moral issue.? > It's faster than driving around the entity for better propagation, also > entirely 'legit'; or owning several stations scattered about (also legal > for DXCC and brings up the argument of 'buying' the DXCC, ignored for > the moment). > > Ultimately, all operators must live with the moral choices they've > made... no one else can shame or praise them as much as they do to > themselves; presuming that each is honest to ones self. > > I can say with certainty that every entry in my log was made with my > radio, using my antenna(s) that I put up personally (sometimes with > assistance in this arena).? Since I don't really compete against others > and my fiercest competition, is me.? That is the (moral) choice one must > use; to be true to self.? I refer to any DXCC standings, simply to see > how I'm doing in the overall 'game'.? Using my station remotely while > traveling, doesn't affect that; it's still MY station. > > In fairness, not everyone can have a station these days (HOA, budget, > space) so there is a place for a remote station... I'm not belittling > that.? But HOW it's used, is again, a moral choice.? For me, having a > selection of rented stations about, just to use the best propagation, > violates my ethics.? Choose wisely, you have to live with yourself. > > 73 > Rick NHC > > On 3/23/2019 3:05 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Knut, >> >> If I recall, the DXCC credit is for the location of the transmitting >> station, so if you are operating remotely, it would be the location of >> the station you are remoting into, not your control location. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> > -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From w7dxx at w7dxx.com Sat Mar 23 19:38:14 2019 From: w7dxx at w7dxx.com (Keith Lamonica) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 17:38:14 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Of course Message-ID: <61f2304b-1468-eb49-2dee-3ea2c5e8c2df@w7dxx.com> I did not want to a thread relative to the pros and cons of remote operation.? I was simply bragging about my new KPA1500. Sorry for the bother. 73 Keith, W7DXX From n6kr at elecraft.com Sat Mar 23 19:46:16 2019 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 16:46:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Bouvet In-Reply-To: <1553382264936-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1553376854962-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <6c989a04-01cb-51cf-f142-3c018cf98d9e@embarqmail.com> <8bb354b5-225d-78cb-d391-3279d0529149@gmail.com> <1553382264936-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1262AE51-446D-4C93-B399-C2B7CF452FCC@elecraft.com> I avoid even a hint of impropriety by only counting contacts I make on a KX2, miles from civilization, without a computer in sight, with cellphone off, and logging by hand. I credit myself bonus points for inclement weather, mosquitos, etc. Try it sometime ... it's refreshing, not least of which because there's no urban noise, RF, acoustic, or political. Of course it's going to take one helluva backpack antenna to break the pileup at 10 W. Film at 11. 73, Wayne N6KR > On Mar 23, 2019, at 4:04 PM, ab2tc wrote: > > Hi Rick and all, > > Clearly, operating your own home station from a remote location is not a > problem at all, morally or legally. Operating a remote "superstation", even > if domestic, from your home location (or other place) in order to add DXCC > credits to your home call clearly is. So you are saying that's as long as > the "superstation" is domestic, it's OK. Rules need to be changed. > > See Eric, I didn't end the sentence with "period". I am learning. > > AB2TC - Knut > > > > Rick WA6NHC-2 wrote >> While the ARRL has accepted remotes as 'legal' for DXCC credit (a >> dubious decision) IF the user is within the same entity as the rest of >> the DXCC entries on the application, it then becomes a moral issue. >> It's faster than driving around the entity for better propagation, also >> entirely 'legit'; or owning several stations scattered about (also legal >> for DXCC and brings up the argument of 'buying' the DXCC, ignored for >> the moment). >> >> Ultimately, all operators must live with the moral choices they've >> made... no one else can shame or praise them as much as they do to >> themselves; presuming that each is honest to ones self. >> >> I can say with certainty that every entry in my log was made with my >> radio, using my antenna(s) that I put up personally (sometimes with >> assistance in this arena). Since I don't really compete against others >> and my fiercest competition, is me. That is the (moral) choice one must >> use; to be true to self. I refer to any DXCC standings, simply to see >> how I'm doing in the overall 'game'. Using my station remotely while >> traveling, doesn't affect that; it's still MY station. >> >> In fairness, not everyone can have a station these days (HOA, budget, >> space) so there is a place for a remote station... I'm not belittling >> that. But HOW it's used, is again, a moral choice. For me, having a >> selection of rented stations about, just to use the best propagation, >> violates my ethics. Choose wisely, you have to live with yourself. >> >> 73 >> Rick NHC >> >> On 3/23/2019 3:05 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>> Knut, >>> >>> If I recall, the DXCC credit is for the location of the transmitting >>> station, so if you are operating remotely, it would be the location of >>> the station you are remoting into, not your control location. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> >> > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From fhmassey at gmail.com Sat Mar 23 19:55:02 2019 From: fhmassey at gmail.com (Fred Massey) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 18:55:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Of course In-Reply-To: <61f2304b-1468-eb49-2dee-3ea2c5e8c2df@w7dxx.com> References: <61f2304b-1468-eb49-2dee-3ea2c5e8c2df@w7dxx.com> Message-ID: Congrats on the KPA1500. Hope you all enjoy and have fun! Fred AE4ED On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 6:38 PM Keith Lamonica wrote: > > I did not want to a thread relative to the pros and cons of remote > operation. I was simply bragging about my new KPA1500. > > > Sorry for the bother. > > > 73 > > > Keith, W7DXX > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From radiok4ia at gmail.com Sat Mar 23 20:03:02 2019 From: radiok4ia at gmail.com (Buck) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 20:03:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Bouvet In-Reply-To: <6c989a04-01cb-51cf-f142-3c018cf98d9e@embarqmail.com> References: <1553376854962-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <6c989a04-01cb-51cf-f142-3c018cf98d9e@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <0ff3c86d-9002-07e7-2593-c8ffcc29a3bc@Gmail.com> That is my understanding. The location of the transmitter is what controls. k4ia, Buck K3# 101 Honor Roll 8B DXCC EasyWayHamBooks.com On 3/23/2019 6:05 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Knut, > > If I recall, the DXCC credit is for the location of the transmitting > station, so if you are operating remotely, it would be the location of > the station you are remoting into, not your control location. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 3/23/2019 5:34 PM, ab2tc wrote: >> Hi Elecrafters, >> >> His site asks the question "is this legal?" Presumably, as far as FCC is >> concerned it is. But if I work Bouvet using this remote, can I really >> claim >> DXCC credit for myself for it? It would seem exceptionally unfair. >> Doesn't >> ARRL have a rule for as how far you can move from place to place and >> still >> claim accumulated DXCC credits? I find this highly troubling. I would >> never >> use this. I want my DXCC to be real (well over 200 credits from 100W >> (K3 of >> course) and a dipole at a single location). > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sat Mar 23 21:23:23 2019 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 18:23:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Bouvet In-Reply-To: <8bb354b5-225d-78cb-d391-3279d0529149@gmail.com> References: <1553376854962-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <6c989a04-01cb-51cf-f142-3c018cf9 8d9e@embarqmail.com> <8bb354b5-225d-78cb-d391-3279d0529149@gmail.com> Message-ID: Totally agree.? See my QRZ bio. Wes? N7WS On 3/23/2019 3:24 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: > While the ARRL has accepted remotes as 'legal' for DXCC credit (a dubious > decision) IF the user is within the same entity as the rest of the DXCC > entries on the application, it then becomes a moral issue.? It's faster than > driving around the entity for better propagation, also entirely 'legit'; or > owning several stations scattered about (also legal for DXCC and brings up the > argument of 'buying' the DXCC, ignored for the moment). > > Ultimately, all operators must live with the moral choices they've made... no > one else can shame or praise them as much as they do to themselves; presuming > that each is honest to ones self. > > I can say with certainty that every entry in my log was made with my radio, > using my antenna(s) that I put up personally (sometimes with assistance in > this arena).? Since I don't really compete against others and my fiercest > competition, is me.? That is the (moral) choice one must use; to be true to > self.? I refer to any DXCC standings, simply to see how I'm doing in the > overall 'game'.? Using my station remotely while traveling, doesn't affect > that; it's still MY station. > > In fairness, not everyone can have a station these days (HOA, budget, space) > so there is a place for a remote station... I'm not belittling that.? But HOW > it's used, is again, a moral choice. For me, having a selection of rented > stations about, just to use the best propagation, violates my ethics.? Choose > wisely, you have to live with yourself. > > 73 > Rick NHC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Mar 23 21:52:05 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 18:52:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Bouvet In-Reply-To: <1553376854962-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1553376854962-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: ?On 3/23/2019 2:34 PM, ab2tc wrote: > But if I work Bouvet using this remote, can I really claim > DXCC credit for myself for it? DXCC rules say that you can count a QSO made from any STATION location (that is, where RF is transmitted and received,) anywhere in the lower 48 states. > It would seem exceptionally unfair. Doesn't > ARRL have a rule for as how far you can move from place to place and still > claim accumulated DXCC credits? Yep. > I find this highly troubling. Me too. When I moved from Chicago to NorCal 12 years ago I started over with DXCC. There's a guy who takes pride in being at/near the top of DXCC on 160M, but he started in CO, then moved to NC.? I strongly approve of operating remotely from a station that is close to you, especially if you built the station!? I view with contempt those who would use remote operation of a station much much closer to DX than their own, or even rent that station and travel to it, and count QSOs made from that station for DXCC. 73, Jim K9YC From kq6dv73 at gmail.com Sat Mar 23 22:03:09 2019 From: kq6dv73 at gmail.com (Tom Johnson) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 19:03:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K1 VFO problem In-Reply-To: <9899343.1362428417157.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <9899343.1362428417157.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1553392989647-0.post@n2.nabble.com> I have exactly Mike Morrow's problem, and wonder if he ever got it resolved. Mike, if you are still around I'd like to hear what your resolution was. I am awaiting arrival of an RF Probe kit so I can do signal testing to attempt to trace down my problem. In the meantime I have looked over my board to the point it's invading my dreams, and I do not see any visible problem with the installation of any of the parts, with special attention to: Q9, Q1, R11, R12, L1, C2. I did see that I had not firmly seated U1, and corrected that: I was hoping that would do the trick, but it did not - still get the E42 code. It just seems to me that as everything tested out fine up until the installation of the L1 Toroid and the C2 capacitor (I'm using 68 pF disc for the 80 kHz range), that the issue should be centered there. I've confirmed the 33 turns on the toroid, and fiddled with the it's placement. I'm wondering if the winding direction makes a difference in the functioning of L1 - there is no picture of it in the manual, only a reference back to previous toroids, and I have wound it to match them. I've also confirmed continuity of the windings on L1. Lastly, I will reveal my testing ignorance here by mentioning my multimeter does measure frequency, but I am not sure if that applies in this case: ie, would that function as an RF Probe if I understood how to use it? I purchased my K1 18 years ago directly from Eric Schwartz when Elecraft was still quite young and I was active in the Santa Cruz County Amateur Radio Club. It is great to see how the company has grown and prospered! It wasn't until settling into retirement that I mustered up the courage to tackle building this project. If anyone has any theories on the K1 VFO failure issue other than those already offered, please clue me in. 73, Tom Johnson KQ7TJ (formerly KQ6DV) -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From k6dgw at foothill.net Sat Mar 23 22:17:21 2019 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 19:17:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Bouvet In-Reply-To: References: <1553376854962-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <0d812939-ee8b-31ef-2258-0980a159d87d@foothill.net> I wonder sometimes if DXCC has become an oxymoron of magnitude similar to NTS?? When originally conceived, actually contacting 100 "countries" was a huge endeavor.? Even making transoceanic contacts between the largest of stations was very difficult.? Today's world is so very very different.? When So. Sudan showed up, a new-ish ham said to me, "I've never seen such pileups!"? I told him, "ATNO for everyone and those who sit at the top of the list with 'all' of them need to keep their seats." After I worked BS7H, I showed my wife a photo of W6RGG at one of the positions.? She said, "You count that rock as a country?"? I started to explain and then passed, the rock is claimed by more than one country of course and I'd already been through it with her over VP6DI. As I said when I started this, I just wondered recently while in the shower. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 3/23/2019 6:52 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > ?On 3/23/2019 2:34 PM, ab2tc wrote: >> But if I work Bouvet using this remote, can I really claim >> DXCC credit for myself for it? > DXCC rules say that you can count a QSO made from any STATION location > (that is, where RF is transmitted and received,) anywhere in the lower > 48 states. >> It would seem exceptionally unfair. Doesn't >> ARRL have a rule for as how far you can move from place to place and >> still >> claim accumulated DXCC credits? > > Yep. > >> I find this highly troubling. > > Me too. When I moved from Chicago to NorCal 12 years ago I started > over with DXCC. There's a guy who takes pride in being at/near the top > of DXCC on 160M, but he started in CO, then moved to NC.? I strongly > approve of operating remotely from a station that is close to you, > especially if you built the station!? I view with contempt those who > would use remote operation of a station much much closer to DX than > their own, or even rent that station and travel to it, and count QSOs > made from that station for DXCC. > > 73, Jim K9YC From k6dgw at foothill.net Sat Mar 23 22:17:53 2019 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 19:17:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Bouvet In-Reply-To: <8bb354b5-225d-78cb-d391-3279d0529149@gmail.com> References: <1553376854962-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <6c989a04-01cb-51cf-f142-3c018cf98d9e@embarqmail.com> <8bb354b5-225d-78cb-d391-3279d0529149@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2192461e-865a-004a-06de-ea7f4e07372c@foothill.net> Agreed Rick and well said.? I occasionally operate W7RN [a west coast superstation] remotely.? Any DX contacts made will not be claimed for DXCC.? The station is close [50 km or so], and it would certainly be within the letter of the rules, but it doesn't feel right.? Fortunately, this is all a moot issue for me since, 1.? My occasional operations are usually for specific purposes [not DX] and; 2.? So far, I haven't worked any DX; 3.? And, I may never get around to submitting my claim for a DXCC upgrade from LoTW+cards. The radio world has changed dramatically since DXCC was invented. I'm really glad I don't have to make/update the rules. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 3/23/2019 3:24 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: > While the ARRL has accepted remotes as 'legal' for DXCC credit (a > dubious decision) IF the user is within the same entity as the rest of > the DXCC entries on the application, it then becomes a moral issue.? > It's faster than driving around the entity for better propagation, > also entirely 'legit'; or owning several stations scattered about > (also legal for DXCC and brings up the argument of 'buying' the DXCC, > ignored for the moment). > > Ultimately, all operators must live with the moral choices they've > made... no one else can shame or praise them as much as they do to > themselves; presuming that each is honest to ones self. > > I can say with certainty that every entry in my log was made with my > radio, using my antenna(s) that I put up personally (sometimes with > assistance in this arena).? Since I don't really compete against > others and my fiercest competition, is me.? That is the (moral) choice > one must use; to be true to self.? I refer to any DXCC standings, > simply to see how I'm doing in the overall 'game'.? Using my station > remotely while traveling, doesn't affect that; it's still MY station. > > In fairness, not everyone can have a station these days (HOA, budget, > space) so there is a place for a remote station... I'm not belittling > that.? But HOW it's used, is again, a moral choice. For me, having a > selection of rented stations about, just to use the best propagation, > violates my ethics.? Choose wisely, you have to live with yourself. > > 73 > Rick NHC From kk5f at earthlink.net Sat Mar 23 23:00:28 2019 From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 22:00:28 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Elecraft] K1 VFO problem Message-ID: <285607218.9172.1553396428884@wamui-fatboy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Tom, You cite my name in your post, but I have absolutely no idea of what you refer. I built my K1 serial 175 in November 2000 and I experienced NO problems start to finish. Quote the posting to which you refer, including its date. Mike / KK5F -----Original Message----- >From: Tom Johnson >Sent: Mar 23, 2019 9:03 PM > >I have exactly Mike Morrow's problem, and wonder if he ever got it resolved. >Mike, if you are still around I'd like to hear what your resolution was. > >I am awaiting arrival of an RF Probe kit so I can do signal testing to >attempt to trace down my problem. In the meantime I have looked over my >board to the point it's invading my dreams, and I do not see any visible >problem with the installation of any of the parts, with special attention >to: Q9, Q1, R11, R12, L1, C2. > >I did see that I had not firmly seated U1, and corrected that: I was hoping >that would do the trick, but it did not - still get the E42 code. > >It just seems to me that as everything tested out fine up until the >installation of the L1 Toroid and the C2 capacitor (I'm using 68 pF disc for >the 80 kHz range), that the issue should be centered there. I've confirmed >the 33 turns on the toroid, and fiddled with the it's placement. I'm >wondering if the winding direction makes a difference in the functioning of >L1 - there is no picture of it in the manual, only a reference back to >previous toroids, and I have wound it to match them. I've also confirmed >continuity of the windings on L1. > >Lastly, I will reveal my testing ignorance here by mentioning my multimeter >does measure frequency, but I am not sure if that applies in this case: ie, >would that function as an RF Probe if I understood how to use it? > >I purchased my K1 18 years ago directly from Eric Schwartz when Elecraft was >still quite young and I was active in the Santa Cruz County Amateur Radio >Club. It is great to see how the company has grown and prospered! It wasn't >until settling into retirement that I mustered up the courage to tackle >building this project. > >If anyone has any theories on the K1 VFO failure issue other than those >already offered, please clue me in. > >73, >Tom Johnson >KQ7TJ (formerly KQ6DV) From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Mar 23 23:03:57 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 23:03:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 VFO problem In-Reply-To: <1553392989647-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <9899343.1362428417157.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1553392989647-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <48cb5756-8330-48d0-24c1-bcc3527942e8@embarqmail.com> Tom, Triple check C11 and C12 to be certain they are both 1200pF and that you did not use the 120pF capacitor for one of them. Build yourself an RF Probe. The schematic for one is shown in the K1 Manual Appendix on Troubleshooting. You can also purchase a kit from Elecraft. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/23/2019 10:03 PM, Tom Johnson wrote: > I have exactly Mike Morrow's problem, and wonder if he ever got it resolved. > Mike, if you are still around I'd like to hear what your resolution was. > > I am awaiting arrival of an RF Probe kit so I can do signal testing to > attempt to trace down my problem. In the meantime I have looked over my > board to the point it's invading my dreams, and I do not see any visible > problem with the installation of any of the parts, with special attention > to: Q9, Q1, R11, R12, L1, C2. > > I did see that I had not firmly seated U1, and corrected that: I was hoping > that would do the trick, but it did not - still get the E42 code. > > It just seems to me that as everything tested out fine up until the > installation of the L1 Toroid and the C2 capacitor (I'm using 68 pF disc for > the 80 kHz range), that the issue should be centered there. I've confirmed > the 33 turns on the toroid, and fiddled with the it's placement. I'm > wondering if the winding direction makes a difference in the functioning of > L1 - there is no picture of it in the manual, only a reference back to > previous toroids, and I have wound it to match them. I've also confirmed > continuity of the windings on L1. > > Lastly, I will reveal my testing ignorance here by mentioning my multimeter > does measure frequency, but I am not sure if that applies in this case: ie, > would that function as an RF Probe if I understood how to use it? > From kq6dv73 at gmail.com Sat Mar 23 23:11:45 2019 From: kq6dv73 at gmail.com (Tom Johnson) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 20:11:45 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K1 VFO problem In-Reply-To: <285607218.9172.1553396428884@wamui-fatboy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <285607218.9172.1553396428884@wamui-fatboy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1553397105754-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Sorry, Mike! I'm obviously not fully cognizant of how the reflector works. I thought the original message I was replying to would be included in the string. It was back from 2013. -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From kevinr at coho.net Sat Mar 23 23:26:16 2019 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 20:26:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <340a90f6-f06f-a68b-4eed-ecf50e28d1b6@coho.net> Good Evening, ? Yesterday I drove from where there was still snow with my snow drops just poking through.? At my neighbor's house about 600 feet lower theirs were blooming.? At about 600 feet below that the daffodils were just opening.? Another 600 feet and I was in downtown Buxton where the daffodils were everywhere and tulips were starting.? By the way, the top of the mountain is about 400 feet above me and the snow is continuous on the north side facing me. ? I took a walk on my land enjoying the period where it's warming up but there are still no biting flies.? Soon the fern will be six feet tall or more but now the forest is very open.? I could not find the SW corner post.? I know I was close but I think a tree grew around it.? The pileated woodpeckers were making noise but you can hear them for miles.? Especially when they are taking a tree apart.? I did hear a few unfamiliar calls; probably passing through on their way north. ?? The solar flux is higher than I have seen it in over a year. Hopefully that means better propagation instead just more noise. We shall see. Please join us tomorrow on: 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) ?7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS _ From rocketnj at gmail.com Sat Mar 23 23:28:54 2019 From: rocketnj at gmail.com (Dave) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 23:28:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Bouvet In-Reply-To: <2192461e-865a-004a-06de-ea7f4e07372c@foothill.net> References: <1553376854962-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <6c989a04-01cb-51cf-f142-3c018cf98d9e@embarqmail.com> <8bb354b5-225d-78cb-d391-3279d0529149@gmail.com> <2192461e-865a-004a-06de-ea7f4e07372c@foothill.net> Message-ID: Rick said it well. I have modest antennas compared to big gun stations but I have been able to get 8 band DXCC and 311 countries worked since 2006. All are from my home QTH. I?d be cheating myself if I used a West Coast station to work into Asia. I do operate remote. My home station while on vacation or from my office during lunch. But it is still using my QTH. I helped my friend set up his station in Hawaii for remote operation and I have operated his station both while there and remotely. I maintain a KH6/ log for those contacts. I have worked Laos from there but never from home. I was thrilled the time I worked Viet Nam from my NJ QTH. They don?t call it Honor Roll for nothing. Dave wo2x Vice President North Jersey DX Association Sent from my iPad > On Mar 23, 2019, at 10:17 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > > Agreed Rick and well said. I occasionally operate W7RN [a west coast superstation] remotely. Any DX contacts made will not be claimed for DXCC. The station is close [50 km or so], and it would certainly be within the letter of the rules, but it doesn't feel right. Fortunately, this is all a moot issue for me since, > > 1. My occasional operations are usually for specific purposes [not DX] and; > > 2. So far, I haven't worked any DX; > > 3. And, I may never get around to submitting my claim for a DXCC upgrade from LoTW+cards. > > The radio world has changed dramatically since DXCC was invented. I'm really glad I don't have to make/update the rules. > > 73, > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > >> On 3/23/2019 3:24 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: >> While the ARRL has accepted remotes as 'legal' for DXCC credit (a dubious decision) IF the user is within the same entity as the rest of the DXCC entries on the application, it then becomes a moral issue. It's faster than driving around the entity for better propagation, also entirely 'legit'; or owning several stations scattered about (also legal for DXCC and brings up the argument of 'buying' the DXCC, ignored for the moment). >> >> Ultimately, all operators must live with the moral choices they've made... no one else can shame or praise them as much as they do to themselves; presuming that each is honest to ones self. >> >> I can say with certainty that every entry in my log was made with my radio, using my antenna(s) that I put up personally (sometimes with assistance in this arena). Since I don't really compete against others and my fiercest competition, is me. That is the (moral) choice one must use; to be true to self. I refer to any DXCC standings, simply to see how I'm doing in the overall 'game'. Using my station remotely while traveling, doesn't affect that; it's still MY station. >> >> In fairness, not everyone can have a station these days (HOA, budget, space) so there is a place for a remote station... I'm not belittling that. But HOW it's used, is again, a moral choice. For me, having a selection of rented stations about, just to use the best propagation, violates my ethics. Choose wisely, you have to live with yourself. >> >> 73 >> Rick NHC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From kq6dv73 at gmail.com Sat Mar 23 23:48:05 2019 From: kq6dv73 at gmail.com (Tom Johnson) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 20:48:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K1 VFO problem In-Reply-To: <285607218.9172.1553396428884@wamui-fatboy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <285607218.9172.1553396428884@wamui-fatboy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1553399285497-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Sorry, Mike! The referred post was from David L DuPuy, March 04, 2013. I think you answered him and that's where I saw your name. I'm obviously not adept at using the reflector - I just discovered there were a string of replies to David I didn't read. 73 -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From kq6dv73 at gmail.com Sat Mar 23 23:49:24 2019 From: kq6dv73 at gmail.com (Tom Johnson) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 20:49:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K1 VFO problem In-Reply-To: <285607218.9172.1553396428884@wamui-fatboy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <285607218.9172.1553396428884@wamui-fatboy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1553399364825-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Sorry, Mike Morrow! The referred post was from David L DuPuy, March 04, 2013. I think you answered him and that's where I saw your name. I'm obviously not adept at using the reflector - I just discovered there were a string of replies to David I didn't read. 73 -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From eric at elecraft.com Sun Mar 24 01:32:25 2019 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 22:32:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Bouvet In-Reply-To: References: <1553376854962-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <6c989a04-01cb-51cf-f142-3c018cf98d9e@embarqmail.com> <8bb354b5-225d-78cb-d391-3279d0529149@gmail.com> <2192461e-865a-004a-06de-ea7f4e07372c@foothill.net> Message-ID: <7BC19116-34F6-4CCB-8B8E-A96867D36D63@elecraft.com> Folks, This remote station dxcc (or contesting) operation ethics and policy pro/con thread is now closed. As regularly noted here previously, OT amateur radio policy, ethics, and related topics, even though they generate passionate opinions, are to be discussed elsewhere. These are endless pro/con discussions that can consume an incredible amount of list bandwidth from a limited number of posters, overloading our other list readers In the interest of keeping the Elecraft list readable, without posting volume overload, and interesting to the vast majority of our over 7000 direct subscribers and users of Elecraft gear, these topics are better pursued on other forums. 73, Eric. WA6HHQ Moderator, even occasionally late at night.. elecraft.com --- Sent from my iPhone 6S From Gary at ka1j.com Sun Mar 24 02:10:56 2019 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 02:10:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3s filter setting with the K3 Utility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5C971F70.8757.2096D14A@Gary.ka1j.com> Rich, Interesting food for thought. I just received my 1.8 for the sub RX and was wondering what others found most helpful seeing as there are the options to custom tailor the settings. At the same time, I really make great use of the narrow filter on CW and am always looking for something I can do with what I have that is better than I have been doing. Thanks for your reply. 73, Gary KA1J > There can be reasons to configure a roofing filter differently from > its nominal bandwidth. > > For example, I have a "250 Hz" filter. According to the filter plots > on the Elecraft web site, the 6 dB bandwidth of this filter is > actually closer to 375 Hz. I configured my filter to switch in at 350 > Hz, which makes it much more useful to me than it would be if I had > configured it to switch in at 250 Hz. > > If this filter is configured to switch in at 250 Hz in agreement with > the label, then when you set your DSP bandwidth to 300 Hz or 350 Hz, > you will be using the next wider filter in your receiver. Strong > signals outside the DSP bandwidth but inside the wider roofing > filter's bandwidth can still have bad effects, whereas if the filter > is configured to switch in at 350 Hz, you can take advantage of its > ability to reduce those unwanted signals with relatively minor impact > on signals within the DSP bandwidth. > > Of course, if the bandwidth of the 250 Hz filter really was 250 Hz, > configuring it to switch in at 350 Hz would render the 300 Hz and 350 > Hz settings of the DSP filter somewhat less useful, since the actual > bandwidth of the filter combination would now be close to 250 Hz > regardless of what the DSP control said. > > There might be reasons to go in the other direction as well, i.e. to > configure a filter to switch in only at a narrower bandwidth than the > bandwidth marked on the filter. For example, if you had 500 Hz and > 1000 Hz filters and often used a digital mode whose bandwidth was, > say, 750 Hz, you could configure the 1000 Hz roofing filter to switch > in only at 700 Hz and below. This would give you better filtering > between 500 Hz and 700 Hz than without the 1000 Hz filter, while still > permitting the 750 Hz mode signals to pass through at DSP settings of > 750 Hz and above without being restricted by the roofing filter. > > 73, > Rich VE3KI > > > KA1J wrote: > > Is there any advantage to setting the 1.8 > above, say as 2. in the utility. > > Or to have the 200Hz filter engaged at say > 250? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From edauer at law.du.edu Sun Mar 24 03:20:07 2019 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 07:20:07 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] DXCC, Remoting and Moving Around Message-ID: <70BB6CED-CD44-4A94-B7F4-7E55EFFF1728@law.du.edu> It is reported that Glanville Williams, a now SK Professor of Jurisprudence at University College London, once quipped that, "The difference between a difference in kind and a difference in degree is almost always a difference in degree." I can't verify that, but it's a well-cited legend in my field. The problems of remoting and moving raised for DXCC, whose rule is all-too simple, were inevitable in an Internet environment and really ought to be updated. But how? I began again as Jim did when I moved from Connecticut, at ocean's edge, to Colorado on mountain's peak, although under the DXCC rules my official standing -- which isn't much anyway -- combines the two. I didn't move for that purpose; but that shouldn't matter. Remoting is more subtle. My fixed station is at my mountain QTH, 100 miles from Denver. My Denver home is HOA-limited and due to foil-backed insulation in every wall is effectively a Faraday cage. I am looking into remoting by Internet over that 100 miles. If I do that, I personally would be comfortable adding any new ones to the ones I got while sitting on the mountain. But there is no way I would feel right about adding an ATNO I snagged if I rented a station on the Atlantic or Pacific coast for the occasion and remoted from Denver to there. Is that a difference in kind, because I own one and don't own the other? A difference in degree because one's 100 miles and the other is over 1,000? How about if I had a summer place on Nantucket and I personally owned the equipment there, operating it remotely from Colorado? A difference in kind, or a difference in degree? Again, and as others have said, I compete for me and against me, and I know from where I snagged what. But some hams compete against other hams and that is, generally speaking, to the good as well. So what should the rules be? The WAS rule, I believe, says within a 50 mile radius. I am one QSL short of 5BWAS because NE on 10 from my side of the Continental Divide in CO has eluded me for more than a decade. I could drive to the CO/NE state line with a KX3 in the car but that would be a rule violation, so I haven't. Should there be a radius limit for DXCC as well? Should remoting be a separate rule of some sort? I think Professor Williams, who so far as I know was not a ham, would have enjoyed this imbroglio. Ted, KN1CBR ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 19:17:21 -0700 From: Fred Jensen To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Bouvet Message-ID: <0d812939-ee8b-31ef-2258-0980a159d87d at foothill.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed I wonder sometimes if DXCC has become an oxymoron of magnitude similar to NTS?? When originally conceived, actually contacting 100 "countries" was a huge endeavor.? Even making transoceanic contacts between the largest of stations was very difficult.? Today's world is so very very different.? When So. Sudan showed up, a new-ish ham said to me, "I've never seen such pileups!"? I told him, "ATNO for everyone and those who sit at the top of the list with 'all' of them need to keep their seats." After I worked BS7H, I showed my wife a photo of W6RGG at one of the positions.? She said, "You count that rock as a country?"? I started to explain and then passed, the rock is claimed by more than one country of course and I'd already been through it with her over VP6DI. As I said when I started this, I just wondered recently while in the shower. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 3/23/2019 6:52 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > ?On 3/23/2019 2:34 PM, ab2tc wrote: >> But if I work Bouvet using this remote, can I really claim >> DXCC credit for myself for it? > DXCC rules say that you can count a QSO made from any STATION location > (that is, where RF is transmitted and received,) anywhere in the lower > 48 states. >> It would seem exceptionally unfair. Doesn't >> ARRL have a rule for as how far you can move from place to place and >> still >> claim accumulated DXCC credits? > > Yep. > >> I find this highly troubling. > > Me too. When I moved from Chicago to NorCal 12 years ago I started > over with DXCC. There's a guy who takes pride in being at/near the top > of DXCC on 160M, but he started in CO, then moved to NC.? I strongly > approve of operating remotely from a station that is close to you, > especially if you built the station!? I view with contempt those who > would use remote operation of a station much much closer to DX than > their own, or even rent that station and travel to it, and count QSOs > made from that station for DXCC. > > 73, Jim K9YC ------------------------------ From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Sun Mar 24 08:40:30 2019 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 08:40:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group Message-ID: I have been under the assumption that this group existed as a technical support center for owners/users of Elecraft equipment: A place to ask questions and learn about the operation and use of said equipment. I see no reason for long discussions regarding DX/contest operations, the rules, politics, or other trivia of same in this group - a group supporting the technical issues of owners/users. Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to be taken up by non-technical discussions of which many users have no interest? Bill W2BLC owner/user From jamesforsman at me.com Sun Mar 24 08:55:06 2019 From: jamesforsman at me.com (jrquark) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 08:55:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6AA7B7DF-01EF-4475-8336-76F565FA196F@me.com> Yes and yes, plus many of us are quite practiced in using the delete key. I own a K3s and I have no difficulty in skimming through the comments that are beyond my interests. But, I have found interesting, informative and instructive topics, often not related to my K3s. Your milage may differ? James Forsman jamesforsman at me.com https://jrquark.smugmug.com/HamRadio > On Mar 24, 2019, at 8:40 AM, Bill wrote: > > Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to be taken up by non-technical discussions of which many users have no interest? From n1rj at roadrunner.com Sun Mar 24 09:57:09 2019 From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 09:57:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have no interest in most of the technical discussions. Roger N1RJ On 3/24/2019 8:40 AM, Bill wrote: > > Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to be taken up > by non-technical discussions of which many users have no interest? > > Bill W2BLC owner/user > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From btippett at alum.mit.edu Sun Mar 24 10:10:44 2019 From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 07:10:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Possible OT: Bouvet Island again In-Reply-To: <1553366309389-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1553366309389-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1553436644108-0.post@n2.nabble.com> ab2tc wrote > PS. I am guessing if they have any Elecraft equipment we would have heard > about it here. I don't know but Dom 3Z9DX bought a K3 from me in May 2017. I had upgraded to an 86XX S/N and sold him my 47XX S/N. 73, Bill W4ZV -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From W2xj at w2xj.net Sun Mar 24 10:14:08 2019 From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 10:14:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <874A1D71-7347-4E36-B447-C729A458B241@w2xj.net> Nor do I but I think this group is excessively over moderated. OT discussions are usually the most interesting but causes the moderator to have issues. Sent from my iPad > On Mar 24, 2019, at 9:57 AM, Roger D Johnson wrote: > > I have no interest in most of the technical discussions. > > Roger N1RJ > >> On 3/24/2019 8:40 AM, Bill wrote: >> >> Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to be taken up by non-technical discussions of which many users have no interest? >> Bill W2BLC owner/user >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From bobw4gj at gmail.com Sun Mar 24 10:46:53 2019 From: bobw4gj at gmail.com (Bob Lightner) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 10:46:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Inquiry Message-ID: My High School club station, K4WTL, uses a K3 for CW. It works great! Recently we tried to transmit on SSB. The radio doesn't seem to want to transmit audio. The Elecraft hand mic is plugged into the front and the menu confirms that. The Mode is correct and the firmware is up-to-date. We have substituted microphones and nothing seems to solve the problem. Have any of you had similar problems??? Bob/W4GJ, trustee for K4WTL. -- Astronomy compels the soul to look upwards and leads us from this world to another. Plato, The Republic From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Mar 24 11:04:44 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 11:04:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Inquiry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3b0f8fd4-a0b4-2343-f636-ee540e7991d8@embarqmail.com> Bob, Is the MIC SEL set to "FP.L bias"? If bias is not applied, there will be no audio from that mic - it uses an electret type element. The default is bias OFF - because the bias could harm dynamic type microphones. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/24/2019 10:46 AM, Bob Lightner wrote: > My High School club station, K4WTL, uses a K3 for CW. It works great! > Recently we tried to transmit on SSB. The radio doesn't seem to want to > transmit audio. The Elecraft hand mic is plugged into the front and the > menu confirms that. The Mode is correct and the firmware is up-to-date. We > have substituted microphones and nothing seems to solve the problem. Have > any of you had similar problems??? Bob/W4GJ, trustee for K4WTL. > From kkinderen at gmail.com Sun Mar 24 11:07:43 2019 From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin der Kinderen) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 11:07:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group In-Reply-To: <874A1D71-7347-4E36-B447-C729A458B241@w2xj.net> References: <874A1D71-7347-4E36-B447-C729A458B241@w2xj.net> Message-ID: A little flexibility in the content keeps it interesting. Delete key works fine. I probably delete 90+ percent of all the emails I receive from the few groups I follow. Maybe an odd thing but I like to follow the OT comments on the weekends. If strict content control is a requirement consider a book, newspaper or magazine and skip the editorials and opinion columns. They usually stay on topic and don't allow the conversation to stray. OT stuff has a pretty short life here. Apparently not short enough for some. 73, Kev K4VD On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 10:14 AM W2xj wrote: > Nor do I but I think this group is excessively over moderated. OT > discussions are usually the most interesting but causes the moderator to > have issues. > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Mar 24, 2019, at 9:57 AM, Roger D Johnson > wrote: > > > > I have no interest in most of the technical discussions. > > > > Roger N1RJ > > > >> On 3/24/2019 8:40 AM, Bill wrote: > >> > >> Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to be > taken up by non-technical discussions of which many users have no interest? > >> Bill W2BLC owner/user > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From nr4c at widomaker.com Sun Mar 24 11:10:33 2019 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 11:10:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Inquiry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64296858-61C0-4C18-8A3E-A697086B7E9C@widomaker.com> Most likely problem is: the Elecraft mic (MH2 or MH4) is an electret mic and requires that a bias voltage be present on the audio pin. The MicSel should read ?fPL bias?. If ?bias? is not shown, press the ?2? button on the panel to right if display to toggle the bias. If MicSel shows fPH, press the ?1? button to toggle H/L. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 24, 2019, at 10:46 AM, Bob Lightner wrote: > > My High School club station, K4WTL, uses a K3 for CW. It works great! > Recently we tried to transmit on SSB. The radio doesn't seem to want to > transmit audio. The Elecraft hand mic is plugged into the front and the > menu confirms that. The Mode is correct and the firmware is up-to-date. We > have substituted microphones and nothing seems to solve the problem. Have > any of you had similar problems??? Bob/W4GJ, trustee for K4WTL. > > -- > > Astronomy compels the soul to look upwards and leads us from this > world to another. > > Plato, The Republic > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From W2xj at w2xj.net Sun Mar 24 11:23:05 2019 From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 11:23:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group In-Reply-To: References: <874A1D71-7347-4E36-B447-C729A458B241@w2xj.net> Message-ID: <9ED5916F-49CE-41C9-B797-B4E2758AF27A@w2xj.net> I have every list email I have received since 1992. I have been able to re-build list archives. I have never understood this ?bandwidth? or size limit garbage. Most have nearly unlimited bandwidth and more storage than needed for email. I find digests and web views more offensive. Sent from my iPad > On Mar 24, 2019, at 11:07 AM, Kevin der Kinderen wrote: > > A little flexibility in the content keeps it interesting. Delete key works > fine. I probably delete 90+ percent of all the emails I receive from the > few groups I follow. Maybe an odd thing but I like to follow the OT > comments on the weekends. > > If strict content control is a requirement consider a book, newspaper or > magazine and skip the editorials and opinion columns. They usually stay on > topic and don't allow the conversation to stray. > > OT stuff has a pretty short life here. Apparently not short enough for some. > > 73, > Kev K4VD > >> On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 10:14 AM W2xj wrote: >> >> Nor do I but I think this group is excessively over moderated. OT >> discussions are usually the most interesting but causes the moderator to >> have issues. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Mar 24, 2019, at 9:57 AM, Roger D Johnson >> wrote: >>> >>> I have no interest in most of the technical discussions. >>> >>> Roger N1RJ >>> >>>> On 3/24/2019 8:40 AM, Bill wrote: >>>> >>>> Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to be >> taken up by non-technical discussions of which many users have no interest? >>>> Bill W2BLC owner/user >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From c-hawley at illinois.edu Sun Mar 24 11:32:18 2019 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 15:32:18 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group In-Reply-To: References: <874A1D71-7347-4E36-B447-C729A458B241@w2xj.net>, Message-ID: <3D4CC21A-C5D3-4024-99F7-35D1599B261C@illinois.edu> The first post wasn?t technical... Chuck Jack KE9UW Sent from my iPhone, cjack > On Mar 24, 2019, at 10:08 AM, Kevin der Kinderen wrote: > > A little flexibility in the content keeps it interesting. Delete key works > fine. I probably delete 90+ percent of all the emails I receive from the > few groups I follow. Maybe an odd thing but I like to follow the OT > comments on the weekends. > > If strict content control is a requirement consider a book, newspaper or > magazine and skip the editorials and opinion columns. They usually stay on > topic and don't allow the conversation to stray. > > OT stuff has a pretty short life here. Apparently not short enough for some. > > 73, > Kev K4VD > >> On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 10:14 AM W2xj wrote: >> >> Nor do I but I think this group is excessively over moderated. OT >> discussions are usually the most interesting but causes the moderator to >> have issues. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Mar 24, 2019, at 9:57 AM, Roger D Johnson >> wrote: >>> >>> I have no interest in most of the technical discussions. >>> >>> Roger N1RJ >>> >>>> On 3/24/2019 8:40 AM, Bill wrote: >>>> >>>> Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to be >> taken up by non-technical discussions of which many users have no interest? >>>> Bill W2BLC owner/user >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From lists at w2irt.net Sun Mar 24 11:37:03 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 11:37:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s/P3 with SDR Play, Win4K3 & Skimmer Message-ID: <006601d4e257$6ea49920$4bedcb60$@w2irt.net> Hello all. I would like to know if anybody is successfully running their K3/K3s with (specifically) an SDRPlay, Win4K3 software, and CW Skimmer, and if so, how did you hook it all together? My thought is to start reading up now, and then buy the hardware and software at Dayton this year and play with it over the summer before contest season starts. I'm specifically curious about getting RF into the SDRPlay. Do you use the IF connection out from the P3, or something else? I have three antennas coming in to my K3s at the moment: the primary TX/RX feed on ANT-1, a K9AY receive antenna on RX IN, and an untuned vertical wire connected to the AUX antenna port, which is used only for diversity reception. The radio is connected via the USB interface exclusively, with no analog sound connections at the moment. I don't plan to use this configuration for normal day-to-day operating. I'm quite happy using the K3 as a conventional radio and just using the P3 as a bandscope. This will be exclusively for CW contesting, and CW Dxpedition pileups. One final question for those who have accomplished this successfully, which model SDRplay are you using, and is there a specific reason for recommending one version over another at this point? Thanks again! --------------------------------------------- 73 and Good DX Peter, W2IRT President, North Jersey DX Association DXCC Card Checker Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau From kwroberson at yahoo.com Sun Mar 24 11:41:39 2019 From: kwroberson at yahoo.com (Ken Roberson) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 15:41:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - 630 meters References: <530500934.9190460.1553442099604.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <530500934.9190460.1553442099604@mail.yahoo.com> Hello K3 owners, For sale 630M 100W power Amp designed to work with K3 or K3s. 1 mw from the transverter output will drive this PWR-AMP to 100Woutput. More info on my web-site k5dnl dot com. 73 Ken K5DNL ? From Gary at ka1j.com Sun Mar 24 12:40:46 2019 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 12:40:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s/P3 with SDR Play, Win4K3 & Skimmer In-Reply-To: <006601d4e257$6ea49920$4bedcb60$@w2irt.net> References: <006601d4e257$6ea49920$4bedcb60$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <5C97B30E.13250.22D76C31@Gary.ka1j.com> I can only speak to Win4K3Suite. There are two components to be installed by the user, the program and com0com, the latter is used to assign ports so Win4K3Suite can utilize the multi virtual port feature. It is simple to do both but you must follow the directions which are laid out well. There are many features of it that I don't use but to everything I use it for with the K3s & K3, it is perfect. 73, Gary KA1J > Hello all. > > > > I would like to know if anybody is successfully running their K3/K3s > with (specifically) an SDRPlay, Win4K3 software, and CW Skimmer, and > if so, how did you hook it all together? > > > > My thought is to start reading up now, and then buy the hardware and > software at Dayton this year and play with it over the summer before > contest season starts. > > I'm specifically curious about getting RF into the SDRPlay. Do you use > the IF connection out from the P3, or something else? I have three > antennas coming in to my K3s at the moment: the primary TX/RX feed on > ANT-1, a K9AY receive antenna on RX IN, and an untuned vertical wire > connected to the AUX antenna port, which is used only for diversity > reception. The radio is connected via the USB interface exclusively, > with no analog sound connections at the moment. > > I don't plan to use this configuration for normal day-to-day > operating. I'm quite happy using the K3 as a conventional radio and > just using the P3 as a bandscope. This will be exclusively for CW > contesting, and CW Dxpedition pileups. > > One final question for those who have accomplished this successfully, > which model SDRplay are you using, and is there a specific reason for > recommending one version over another at this point? Thanks again! > > > --------------------------------------------- > 73 and Good DX > Peter, W2IRT > > > > President, North Jersey DX Association > > DXCC Card Checker > Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From ab2tc at arrl.net Sun Mar 24 12:44:23 2019 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 09:44:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] DXCC, Remoting and Moving Around In-Reply-To: <70BB6CED-CD44-4A94-B7F4-7E55EFFF1728@law.du.edu> References: <70BB6CED-CD44-4A94-B7F4-7E55EFFF1728@law.du.edu> Message-ID: <1553445863264-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, The following snippet is from a recent posting by Ted, KN1CBR: "So what should the rules be? The WAS rule, I believe, says within a 50 mile radius. I am one QSL short of 5BWAS because NE on 10 from my side of the Continental Divide in CO has eluded me for more than a decade. I could drive to the CO/NE state line with a KX3 in the car but that would be a rule violation, so I haven't. Should there be a radius limit for DXCC as well?" Adopting the 50 mile radius for DXCC as well as WAS seems a very reasonable idea. It seems to be manageable for WAS so why wouldn't it be for DXCC, too. I wasn't aware of the 50 mile radius for WAS. I have multiband WAS all done from one location. AB2TC - Knut -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From w5sum at comcast.net Sun Mar 24 13:16:15 2019 From: w5sum at comcast.net (w5sum at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 12:16:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 Message-ID: Before I spend money on a K3S, I?m just curious.. is a K4 in the planning stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just days later the K3S was announced. I was livid.. LOL so.. what say Elecraft? Ronnie W5SUM From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sun Mar 24 13:22:34 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 12:22:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <80A88356-A14E-4046-8B43-A739C33783F3@blomand.net> Wait and see or roll the dice ? Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 24, 2019, at 12:16 PM, wrote: > > Before I spend money on a K3S, I?m just curious.. is a K4 in the planning stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just days later the K3S was announced. I was livid.. LOL > > so.. what say Elecraft? > > Ronnie W5SUM > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From macymonkeys at charter.net Sun Mar 24 13:25:22 2019 From: macymonkeys at charter.net (Macy monkeys) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 10:25:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <331D9FAF-FB17-4B06-95B8-DB420EC20084@charter.net> It will be announced just after you unpack your new K3S :) John K7FD > On Mar 24, 2019, at 10:16 AM, wrote: > > Before I spend money on a K3S, I?m just curious.. is a K4 in the planning stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just days later the K3S was announced. I was livid.. LOL > > so.. what say Elecraft? > > Ronnie W5SUM > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From markmusick at outlook.com Sun Mar 24 13:27:16 2019 From: markmusick at outlook.com (Mark Musick) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 17:27:16 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] DXCC, Remoting and Moving Around In-Reply-To: <1553445863264-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <70BB6CED-CD44-4A94-B7F4-7E55EFFF1728@law.du.edu> <1553445863264-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Before being cut off by Eric, I want to point out that there was a 50 mile radius for DXCC also prior to the early or mid-80s. I can't remember when the ARRL changed it. The ARRL decided to remove the rule and change to contacts had to be made from the same DXCC entity. This was done according to the ARRL because of the changing demographics as people were more mobile than when the DXCC rules were formed. People were moving more frequently due to job and family requirements. Now we have a proposal to go back to a 50 mile radius. I don't think that will happen. Though there may be a need to change it to something other than the same DXCC entity. As, to me, it seems to be a bit unfair as DXCC entities vary greatly in size. Mark, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of ab2tc Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 16:44 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DXCC, Remoting and Moving Around Hi, The following snippet is from a recent posting by Ted, KN1CBR: "So what should the rules be? The WAS rule, I believe, says within a 50 mile radius. I am one QSL short of 5BWAS because NE on 10 from my side of the Continental Divide in CO has eluded me for more than a decade. I could drive to the CO/NE state line with a KX3 in the car but that would be a rule violation, so I haven't. Should there be a radius limit for DXCC as well?" Adopting the 50 mile radius for DXCC as well as WAS seems a very reasonable idea. It seems to be manageable for WAS so why wouldn't it be for DXCC, too. I wasn't aware of the 50 mile radius for WAS. I have multiband WAS all done from one location. AB2TC - Knut -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From elecraft.list at videotron.ca Sun Mar 24 13:30:12 2019 From: elecraft.list at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 13:30:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s/P3 with SDR Play, Win4K3 & Skimmer In-Reply-To: <85BOhqhV4OZKx85BPhLNBD@videotron.ca> References: <85BOhqhV4OZKx85BPhLNBD@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <01a601d4e267$3d1237e0$b736a7a0$@videotron.ca> Hi, Win4K3 does not currently provide an IQ out for use with the SDRPlay. Therefore CW skimmer will not get an IQ feed. (This will come in a future update) An LPPAN and a sound card does. This gives you a maximum bandwidth of 192kHz in the spectrum scope. CWSkimmer gives less bandwidth so an SDRPlay does not give an advantage. In terms of the quality of the signal, the LPPAN / Sound card is superior. Of course the built in virtual radios allow you to use any panadapter software such as HDSDR and SDRUno which have the IQ out that can be used with CW Skimmer. 73 Tom Va2fsq.com -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Peter Dougherty Sent: March 24, 2019 11:37 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3s/P3 with SDR Play, Win4K3 & Skimmer Hello all. I would like to know if anybody is successfully running their K3/K3s with (specifically) an SDRPlay, Win4K3 software, and CW Skimmer, and if so, how did you hook it all together? My thought is to start reading up now, and then buy the hardware and software at Dayton this year and play with it over the summer before contest season starts. I'm specifically curious about getting RF into the SDRPlay. Do you use the IF connection out from the P3, or something else? I have three antennas coming in to my K3s at the moment: the primary TX/RX feed on ANT-1, a K9AY receive antenna on RX IN, and an untuned vertical wire connected to the AUX antenna port, which is used only for diversity reception. The radio is connected via the USB interface exclusively, with no analog sound connections at the moment. I don't plan to use this configuration for normal day-to-day operating. I'm quite happy using the K3 as a conventional radio and just using the P3 as a bandscope. This will be exclusively for CW contesting, and CW Dxpedition pileups. One final question for those who have accomplished this successfully, which model SDRplay are you using, and is there a specific reason for recommending one version over another at this point? Thanks again! --------------------------------------------- 73 and Good DX Peter, W2IRT President, North Jersey DX Association DXCC Card Checker Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From softblue at windstream.net Sun Mar 24 13:31:22 2019 From: softblue at windstream.net (Dick Dickinson) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 13:31:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 Message-ID: <001b01d4e267$66e26950$34a73bf0$@windstream.net> If you want to be on the safe side, but don?t want to wait forever, you might consider that Elecraft sometimes makes major announcements here ? 70th International DX Convention * April 12-14, 2019 * Visalia, California Dick - KA5KKT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Before I spend money on a K3S, I?m just curious.. is a K4 in the planning stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just days later the K3S was announced. I was livid.. LOL so.. what say Elecraft? Ronnie W5SUM From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sun Mar 24 13:35:52 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 12:35:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <331D9FAF-FB17-4B06-95B8-DB420EC20084@charter.net> References: <331D9FAF-FB17-4B06-95B8-DB420EC20084@charter.net> Message-ID: Purchase what you want today. Tomorrow may never come. If you wait until tomorrow you'll never have a new radio. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 24, 2019, at 12:25 PM, Macy monkeys wrote: > > It will be announced just after you unpack your new K3S :) > > John K7FD > >> On Mar 24, 2019, at 10:16 AM, wrote: >> >> Before I spend money on a K3S, I?m just curious.. is a K4 in the planning stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just days later the K3S was announced. I was livid.. LOL >> >> so.. what say Elecraft? >> >> Ronnie W5SUM >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jim at n7us.net Sun Mar 24 13:36:11 2019 From: jim at n7us.net (Jim N7US) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 12:36:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] DXCC, Remoting and Moving Around In-Reply-To: References: <70BB6CED-CD44-4A94-B7F4-7E55EFFF1728@law.du.edu> <1553445863264-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <06c601d4e268$154ef800$3fece800$@n7us.net> Before 1977, DXCC Rule 9 stated that all contacts had to be made from within the same call area or within a 175-mile radius if the call area changed. In 1970, I moved from IA to IL (330 miles) and had to start over, which seemed unreasonable to me. I moved to AZ in 1972 and was happy that I could pick up from where I left off when I was a college student in IA when the rule changed in 1977. Jim N7US -----Original Message----- Before being cut off by Eric, I want to point out that there was a 50 mile radius for DXCC also prior to the early or mid-80s. I can't remember when the ARRL changed it. The ARRL decided to remove the rule and change to contacts had to be made from the same DXCC entity. This was done according to the ARRL because of the changing demographics as people were more mobile than when the DXCC rules were formed. People were moving more frequently due to job and family requirements. Now we have a proposal to go back to a 50 mile radius. I don't think that will happen. Though there may be a need to change it to something other than the same DXCC entity. As, to me, it seems to be a bit unfair as DXCC entities vary greatly in size. Mark, WB9CIF From jboehner01 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 24 13:38:54 2019 From: jboehner01 at yahoo.com (James F. Boehner MD) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 13:38:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Operating-OT Message-ID: <000601d4e268$74768eb0$5d63ac10$@yahoo.com> This topic has already been closed, but let me make a suggestion. If you have strong feelings about remote operation and you are an ARRL member, contact your ARRL Director, as they set policy for the ARRL. Their phone numbers and e-mail addresses are on page 15 of this month's QST. Find your Division, and contact your Elected Director. They need their member's viewpoints in order to properly represent their Division. '73 de Jim N2ZZ From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Sun Mar 24 13:42:09 2019 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 10:42:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4db8658e-9486-822c-19a9-e6c38b48330a@cis-broadband.com> I think you are mostly correct, although there are valid correlated topics when trying to assist an Elecraft user with a problem, but the number of replies you've gotten thus far expressing interest and support for off topic threads indicates that there are folks here who don't understand that Eric and Wayne have to wade through all that crap in their effort to be responsive to their customer base. They moderate for a valid reason. It always seems to be the same folks who think that their off-topic comments belong here.? The very fact that they label it OT clearly shows they understand they are abusing the published reflector guidelines, yet they have the arrogance to do so anyway.? It boggles my mind. Dave?? AB7E On 3/24/2019 5:40 AM, Bill wrote: > I have been under the assumption that this group existed as a > technical support center for owners/users of Elecraft equipment: A > place to ask questions and learn about the operation and use of said > equipment. > > I see no reason for long discussions regarding DX/contest operations, > the rules, politics, or other trivia of same in this group - a group > supporting the technical issues of owners/users. > > Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to > be taken up by non-technical discussions of which many users have no > interest? > > Bill W2BLC owner/user > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Sun Mar 24 13:51:17 2019 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez (CX6VM-CW5W)) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 13:51:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <80A88356-A14E-4046-8B43-A739C33783F3@blomand.net> References: <80A88356-A14E-4046-8B43-A739C33783F3@blomand.net> Message-ID: It happened with me too They will not tell you about this, but just in case wait after Dayton I am waiting after Dayton to know if will be a smaller remote option (integrated K3/0 mini + remoterig) 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W Enviado desde mi iPhone El 24 mar. 2019, a la(s) 13:22, Bob McGraw K4TAX escribi?: > Wait and see or roll the dice ? > > Bob, K4TAX > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 24, 2019, at 12:16 PM, wrote: >> >> Before I spend money on a K3S, I?m just curious.. is a K4 in the planning stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just days later the K3S was announced. I was livid.. LOL >> >> so.. what say Elecraft? >> >> Ronnie W5SUM >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From macymonkeys at charter.net Sun Mar 24 14:03:39 2019 From: macymonkeys at charter.net (Macy monkeys) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 11:03:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <001b01d4e267$66e26950$34a73bf0$@windstream.net> References: <001b01d4e267$66e26950$34a73bf0$@windstream.net> Message-ID: <14E0B9BE-7A89-423E-BBE4-119EE22BD19A@charter.net> But then again, do you want to be on the bleeding edge...or settle for the comfort of a known quantity? Personally, I love being first on the block...but my bookkeeper doesn't always agree. John K7FD > On Mar 24, 2019, at 10:31 AM, Dick Dickinson wrote: > > If you want to be on the safe side, but don?t want to wait forever, you > might consider that Elecraft sometimes makes major announcements here ? > 70th International DX Convention * April 12-14, 2019 * Visalia, California > > > Dick - KA5KKT > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > Before I spend money on a K3S, I?m just curious.. is a K4 in the planning > stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just days later the K3S was > announced. I was livid.. LOL > > so.. what say Elecraft? > > Ronnie W5SUM > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From softblue at windstream.net Sun Mar 24 14:12:14 2019 From: softblue at windstream.net (Dick Dickinson) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 14:12:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group Message-ID: <001d01d4e26d$1c2c3980$5484ac80$@windstream.net> As far as 'purpose,' I don't recall that Elecraft has ever made a formal statement on the matter. I for one appreciates 'some' of the other than 'Elecraft technical' that goes on. I do not receive the messages via email. I do keep a browser page open most all the time I'm at my computer. The browser page lists the topic and poster and I can ignore what doesn't interest me. It only take a couple of seconds to scan the posts after a refresh. I have no need nor interest in managing posts via email. http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2019-March/date.html .just have to update the link monthly. Dick - KA5KKT --------------------------------------------------------------- I have been under the assumption that this group existed as a technical support center for owners/users of Elecraft equipment: A place to ask questions and learn about the operation and use of said equipment. I see no reason for long discussions regarding DX/contest operations, the rules, politics, or other trivia of same in this group - a group supporting the technical issues of owners/users. Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to be taken up by non-technical discussions of which many users have no interest? Bill W2BLC owner/user From acorbeth at gmail.com Sun Mar 24 14:13:17 2019 From: acorbeth at gmail.com (Alan Corbeth) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 11:13:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <14E0B9BE-7A89-423E-BBE4-119EE22BD19A@charter.net> References: <001b01d4e267$66e26950$34a73bf0$@windstream.net> <14E0B9BE-7A89-423E-BBE4-119EE22BD19A@charter.net> Message-ID: <909E5437-1CF0-4572-AE11-824F8C031E31@gmail.com> I am in the same boat. I really want to join the Elecraft Family, but the K3 is aging and I feel a major upgrade must be on the table. Icom, Flex, and now Yaesu have recently introduced new high tech models. On one hand I am ready to purchase a new K3s, but will be very unhappy if shortly thereafter an upgraded new model is introduced. Therefore, at least for now, I wait. Alan K7FH > On Mar 24, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Macy monkeys wrote: > > But then again, do you want to be on the bleeding edge...or settle for the comfort of a known quantity? Personally, I love being first on the block...but my bookkeeper doesn't always agree. > > John K7FD > >> On Mar 24, 2019, at 10:31 AM, Dick Dickinson wrote: >> >> If you want to be on the safe side, but don?t want to wait forever, you >> might consider that Elecraft sometimes makes major announcements here ? >> 70th International DX Convention * April 12-14, 2019 * Visalia, California >> >> >> Dick - KA5KKT >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> >> Before I spend money on a K3S, I?m just curious.. is a K4 in the planning >> stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just days later the K3S was >> announced. I was livid.. LOL >> >> so.. what say Elecraft? >> >> Ronnie W5SUM >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From sjl219 at optonline.net Sun Mar 24 14:14:50 2019 From: sjl219 at optonline.net (levandowski) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 14:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: <331D9FAF-FB17-4B06-95B8-DB420EC20084@charter.net> Message-ID: <785794710.535862.1553451290236@mymail.optimum.net> I've been a dedicated Elecrafter for well over a decade. I've built and owned all the radios - sometimes more than once - plus the KXPA100, and many other products. Wayne should look at my purchase history records. But I reached the point where I got tired of orange screens so I sold everything and bought a Kenwood TS-590SG where the screen color went from yellow through orange to green. It was a very capable radio and sounded very nice. But I still wasn't satisfied. So I traded it in on a TS-890S five months ago. Now that's a beautiful, capable, colorful and HEAVY radio. But there's just something about Elecraft......so I sold it last week, put the money back in the bank and now I'm operating a little Hilltopper as my only radio while I take a deep breath and figure out which of the Elecraft radios that I previously owned and stupidly sold, I'll re-purchase. I'm holding out hope for a new, colorful offering in the May time frame but if not, it's probably going to be either another KX3 or a KX2 again. Barefoot. I guess I had to take the whole trip until I could figure out where I wanted to settle down.... 73, Stan WB2LQF > On March 24, 2019 at 1:35 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > > > Purchase what you want today. Tomorrow may never come. If you wait until tomorrow you'll never have a new radio. > > Bob, K4TAX > > > From lists at w2irt.net Sun Mar 24 14:28:11 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 14:28:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s/P3 with SDR Play, Win4K3 & Skimmer In-Reply-To: <01a601d4e267$3d1237e0$b736a7a0$@videotron.ca> References: <85BOhqhV4OZKx85BPhLNBD@videotron.ca> <01a601d4e267$3d1237e0$b736a7a0$@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <01e501d4e26f$56653eb0$032fbc10$@w2irt.net> OK, then this will probably all have to wait. I thought it was the other way around; that the SDRPlay box fed I/Q data into the PC, which Win4K3 interpreted and displayed. I own an LP-Pan2 and it's full of birdies and mirror images/etc. Tried four high-end sound cards and they were all the same, and it was far more of a problem than it was worth. Maybe my PC is just too noisy, which I guess is possible. If my proposed idea won't fly, then what will (short of buying a Perseus or $$$omething similar)? - pjd -----Original Message----- From: Tom Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 1:30 PM To: 'Peter Dougherty' ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3s/P3 with SDR Play, Win4K3 & Skimmer Hi, Win4K3 does not currently provide an IQ out for use with the SDRPlay. Therefore CW skimmer will not get an IQ feed. (This will come in a future update) An LPPAN and a sound card does. This gives you a maximum bandwidth of 192kHz in the spectrum scope. CWSkimmer gives less bandwidth so an SDRPlay does not give an advantage. In terms of the quality of the signal, the LPPAN / Sound card is superior. Of course the built in virtual radios allow you to use any panadapter software such as HDSDR and SDRUno which have the IQ out that can be used with CW Skimmer. 73 Tom Va2fsq.com -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Peter Dougherty Sent: March 24, 2019 11:37 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3s/P3 with SDR Play, Win4K3 & Skimmer Hello all. I would like to know if anybody is successfully running their K3/K3s with (specifically) an SDRPlay, Win4K3 software, and CW Skimmer, and if so, how did you hook it all together? My thought is to start reading up now, and then buy the hardware and software at Dayton this year and play with it over the summer before contest season starts. I'm specifically curious about getting RF into the SDRPlay. Do you use the IF connection out from the P3, or something else? I have three antennas coming in to my K3s at the moment: the primary TX/RX feed on ANT-1, a K9AY receive antenna on RX IN, and an untuned vertical wire connected to the AUX antenna port, which is used only for diversity reception. The radio is connected via the USB interface exclusively, with no analog sound connections at the moment. I don't plan to use this configuration for normal day-to-day operating. I'm quite happy using the K3 as a conventional radio and just using the P3 as a bandscope. This will be exclusively for CW contesting, and CW Dxpedition pileups. One final question for those who have accomplished this successfully, which model SDRplay are you using, and is there a specific reason for recommending one version over another at this point? Thanks again! --------------------------------------------- 73 and Good DX Peter, W2IRT President, North Jersey DX Association DXCC Card Checker Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From lists at w2irt.net Sun Mar 24 14:28:46 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 14:28:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s/P3 with SDR Play, Win4K3 & Skimmer In-Reply-To: <01a601d4e267$3d1237e0$b736a7a0$@videotron.ca> References: <85BOhqhV4OZKx85BPhLNBD@videotron.ca> <01a601d4e267$3d1237e0$b736a7a0$@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <01e701d4e26f$6bcd9770$4368c650$@w2irt.net> OK, then this will probably all have to wait. I thought it was the other way around; that the SDRPlay box fed I/Q data into the PC, which Win4K3 interpreted and displayed. I own an LP-Pan2 and it's full of birdies and mirror images/etc. Tried four high-end sound cards and they were all the same, and it was far more of a problem than it was worth. Maybe my PC is just too noisy, which I guess is possible. If my proposed idea won't fly, then what will (short of buying a Perseus or $$$omething similar)? - pjd -----Original Message----- From: Tom Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 1:30 PM To: 'Peter Dougherty' ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3s/P3 with SDR Play, Win4K3 & Skimmer Hi, Win4K3 does not currently provide an IQ out for use with the SDRPlay. Therefore CW skimmer will not get an IQ feed. (This will come in a future update) An LPPAN and a sound card does. This gives you a maximum bandwidth of 192kHz in the spectrum scope. CWSkimmer gives less bandwidth so an SDRPlay does not give an advantage. In terms of the quality of the signal, the LPPAN / Sound card is superior. Of course the built in virtual radios allow you to use any panadapter software such as HDSDR and SDRUno which have the IQ out that can be used with CW Skimmer. 73 Tom Va2fsq.com -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Peter Dougherty Sent: March 24, 2019 11:37 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3s/P3 with SDR Play, Win4K3 & Skimmer Hello all. I would like to know if anybody is successfully running their K3/K3s with (specifically) an SDRPlay, Win4K3 software, and CW Skimmer, and if so, how did you hook it all together? My thought is to start reading up now, and then buy the hardware and software at Dayton this year and play with it over the summer before contest season starts. I'm specifically curious about getting RF into the SDRPlay. Do you use the IF connection out from the P3, or something else? I have three antennas coming in to my K3s at the moment: the primary TX/RX feed on ANT-1, a K9AY receive antenna on RX IN, and an untuned vertical wire connected to the AUX antenna port, which is used only for diversity reception. The radio is connected via the USB interface exclusively, with no analog sound connections at the moment. I don't plan to use this configuration for normal day-to-day operating. I'm quite happy using the K3 as a conventional radio and just using the P3 as a bandscope. This will be exclusively for CW contesting, and CW Dxpedition pileups. One final question for those who have accomplished this successfully, which model SDRplay are you using, and is there a specific reason for recommending one version over another at this point? Thanks again! --------------------------------------------- 73 and Good DX Peter, W2IRT President, North Jersey DX Association DXCC Card Checker Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From aa4ak.1 at gmail.com Sun Mar 24 14:33:15 2019 From: aa4ak.1 at gmail.com (Steve Kercel) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 14:33:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DXCC Rules Message-ID: Fellow Elecrafters: If someone thinks that there is a problem with DXCC rules as they currently stand, the proper venue for venting your concerns is the ARRL DX Advisory Committee. For access see: http://www.arrl.org/dx-advisory-committee 73, Steve Kercel, AA4AK ARRL Maine Section DXCC Card Checker From lightdazzled at gmail.com Sun Mar 24 14:38:23 2019 From: lightdazzled at gmail.com (Chip Stratton) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 14:38:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <785794710.535862.1553451290236@mymail.optimum.net> References: <331D9FAF-FB17-4B06-95B8-DB420EC20084@charter.net> <785794710.535862.1553451290236@mymail.optimum.net> Message-ID: Seems like you need to decide what you want to do with a radio, which radio will do best for what you have to spend, and get that radio. Why wait around for something that might or might not be in the future and may or may not fit your needs better in some incremental way? You will never know if a K4 is coming until Elecraft actually announces it. Chip AE5KA On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 2:15 PM levandowski wrote: > I've been a dedicated Elecrafter for well over a decade. I've built and > owned all the radios - sometimes more than once - plus the KXPA100, and > many other products. Wayne should look at my purchase history records. > > But I reached the point where I got tired of orange screens so I sold > everything and bought a Kenwood TS-590SG where the screen color went from > yellow through orange to green. It was a very capable radio and sounded > very nice. But I still wasn't satisfied. > > So I traded it in on a TS-890S five months ago. Now that's a beautiful, > capable, colorful and HEAVY radio. > > But there's just something about Elecraft......so I sold it last week, put > the money back in the bank and now I'm operating a little Hilltopper as my > only radio while I take a deep breath and figure out which of the Elecraft > radios that I previously owned and stupidly sold, I'll re-purchase. > > I'm holding out hope for a new, colorful offering in the May time frame > but if not, it's probably going to be either another KX3 or a KX2 again. > Barefoot. > > I guess I had to take the whole trip until I could figure out where I > wanted to settle down.... > > 73, Stan WB2LQF > > > > On March 24, 2019 at 1:35 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX > wrote: > > > > > > Purchase what you want today. Tomorrow may never come. If you wait > until tomorrow you'll never have a new radio. > > > > Bob, K4TAX > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From woodjrx at gmail.com Sun Mar 24 14:44:32 2019 From: woodjrx at gmail.com (Josh Wood) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 13:44:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group In-Reply-To: <001d01d4e26d$1c2c3980$5484ac80$@windstream.net> References: <001d01d4e26d$1c2c3980$5484ac80$@windstream.net> Message-ID: As a NON-Elecraft owner, I thought I would chime in. I too, enjoy both the technical, as well as the Off-Topic well - erm, topics. I just thought I would copy information taken directly from Elecraft's website ( https://elecraft.com/pages/community). The ELECRAFT email list server (reflector) is provided to further the discussion of Elecraft products and related items. It serves as a forum for the discussion of* both technical and operating topics* *including* KX1/K1/K2/K3/KX3/P3/KPA500 features, construction and debugs problems, *sharing your enthusiasm and impressions* from using our products *and more general ham radio related topics of interest* to our customers. There is a tremendous amount of knowledge and information available via the searchable list archives and by posting your questions to the list. *(You must be subscribed to post to the list.)* Emphasis is obviously mine. As long as it's not hateful, hurtful, or inappropriate, and is done with the spirit of ham radio and Elecraft's stated purpose in mind, it seems fine (to me). I think there are enough cycles on the bands for us to turn the dial, and in this case electrons in the wires for us to delete the emails, whenever something doesn't interest you. See you down the log, ~Josh W0ODJ P.S. One of these days i'll convince my wife to let me buy a K3S... It'll probably be a K5 by then! On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 1:12 PM Dick Dickinson wrote: > As far as 'purpose,' I don't recall that Elecraft has ever made a formal > statement on the matter. I for one appreciates 'some' of the other than > 'Elecraft technical' that goes on. > > I do not receive the messages via email. I do keep a browser page open > most > all the time I'm at my computer. The browser page lists the topic and > poster and I can ignore what doesn't interest me. It only take a couple of > seconds to scan the posts after a refresh. > > I have no need nor interest in managing posts via email. > > http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2019-March/date.html > > .just have to update the link monthly. > > > Dick - KA5KKT > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > I have been under the assumption that this group existed as a technical > support center for owners/users of Elecraft equipment: A place to ask > questions and learn about the operation and use of said equipment. > > I see no reason for long discussions regarding DX/contest operations, > the rules, politics, or other trivia of same in this group - a group > supporting the technical issues of owners/users. > > Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to be > taken up by non-technical discussions of which many users have no interest? > > Bill W2BLC owner/user > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From elecraft.list at videotron.ca Sun Mar 24 14:57:43 2019 From: elecraft.list at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 14:57:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s/P3 with SDR Play, Win4K3 & Skimmer In-Reply-To: <87quhnfstZ5RE87qvhi1df@videotron.ca> References: <85BOhqhV4OZKx85BPhLNBD@videotron.ca> <01a601d4e267$3d1237e0$b736a7a0$@videotron.ca> <87quhnfstZ5RE87qvhi1df@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <01a801d4e273$76ee6b80$64cb4280$@videotron.ca> Hi, The LPPAN shouldn't have been like that. However, as I mentioned previously, you can use another SDR software just for the scope that can forward IQ data like HDSDR. You will then still have all the abilities of Win4K3 just the scope will be delivered by different software. 73 -----Original Message----- From: Peter Dougherty Sent: March 24, 2019 2:28 PM To: 'Tom' ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3s/P3 with SDR Play, Win4K3 & Skimmer OK, then this will probably all have to wait. I thought it was the other way around; that the SDRPlay box fed I/Q data into the PC, which Win4K3 interpreted and displayed. I own an LP-Pan2 and it's full of birdies and mirror images/etc. Tried four high-end sound cards and they were all the same, and it was far more of a problem than it was worth. Maybe my PC is just too noisy, which I guess is possible. If my proposed idea won't fly, then what will (short of buying a Perseus or $$$omething similar)? - pjd -----Original Message----- From: Tom Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 1:30 PM To: 'Peter Dougherty' ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3s/P3 with SDR Play, Win4K3 & Skimmer Hi, Win4K3 does not currently provide an IQ out for use with the SDRPlay. Therefore CW skimmer will not get an IQ feed. (This will come in a future update) An LPPAN and a sound card does. This gives you a maximum bandwidth of 192kHz in the spectrum scope. CWSkimmer gives less bandwidth so an SDRPlay does not give an advantage. In terms of the quality of the signal, the LPPAN / Sound card is superior. Of course the built in virtual radios allow you to use any panadapter software such as HDSDR and SDRUno which have the IQ out that can be used with CW Skimmer. 73 Tom Va2fsq.com -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Peter Dougherty Sent: March 24, 2019 11:37 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3s/P3 with SDR Play, Win4K3 & Skimmer Hello all. I would like to know if anybody is successfully running their K3/K3s with (specifically) an SDRPlay, Win4K3 software, and CW Skimmer, and if so, how did you hook it all together? My thought is to start reading up now, and then buy the hardware and software at Dayton this year and play with it over the summer before contest season starts. I'm specifically curious about getting RF into the SDRPlay. Do you use the IF connection out from the P3, or something else? I have three antennas coming in to my K3s at the moment: the primary TX/RX feed on ANT-1, a K9AY receive antenna on RX IN, and an untuned vertical wire connected to the AUX antenna port, which is used only for diversity reception. The radio is connected via the USB interface exclusively, with no analog sound connections at the moment. I don't plan to use this configuration for normal day-to-day operating. I'm quite happy using the K3 as a conventional radio and just using the P3 as a bandscope. This will be exclusively for CW contesting, and CW Dxpedition pileups. One final question for those who have accomplished this successfully, which model SDRplay are you using, and is there a specific reason for recommending one version over another at this point? Thanks again! --------------------------------------------- 73 and Good DX Peter, W2IRT President, North Jersey DX Association DXCC Card Checker Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sun Mar 24 15:15:08 2019 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 11:15:08 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group Message-ID: <201903241915.x2OJFAKE004654@mail46c28.carrierzone.com> my two cents: I do virtually NO HF and NO CW, so why do I subscribe? Because I own a K3, KX3, and KXPA100. So, yes, the occasional tech discussion is one that interests/impacts my stuff. But I find some of the OT interesting, though HF contests/DXing are not particularly. Main interests: 6m and up. Eme. Digital modes. I subscribe to several lists besides Elecraft so to keep it separate I just receive the digest version. I read it after going thru the other list more germane to my interests. Then I delete each digest - unless I reply. Then might retain it a few days. Really important posts are printed for files that I might want to refer back at a later time or solve an issue that may reemerge in the future. I do have e-mail folders for some e-mail categories that I want archived or for quick retrieval. eg: invoices, trip reservations, etc. When I was in business there was a folder for customer correspondence. Final note: I do not think Elecraft is over-moderated and in some cases more tolerant than I would be (I am moderator of another list). 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Sun Mar 24 15:16:39 2019 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 21:16:39 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Of course they can't say, since it would shut off sales for the K3S. I added new synthesizers to my K3, but didn't feel that the other stuff justified buying a new rig. But that is for everyone to decide for themselves. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO CWops no. 5 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 24/03/2019 19:16, w5sum at comcast.net wrote: > Before I spend money on a K3S, I?m just curious.. is a K4 in the > planning stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just days later > the K3S was announced. I was livid.. LOL > > so.. what say Elecraft? > > Ronnie W5SUM From dd0vs at gmx.de Sun Mar 24 15:21:01 2019 From: dd0vs at gmx.de (Harald Fritzsche) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 20:21:01 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s/P3 with SDR Play, Win4K3 & Skimmer In-Reply-To: <006601d4e257$6ea49920$4bedcb60$@w2irt.net> References: <006601d4e257$6ea49920$4bedcb60$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <28EF7F11-D3B6-4B56-A2CB-F712B0114B2F@gmx.de> Hello Peter, All, I am using SDRPlayIntf.dll (see CW Skimmer page) with CW Skimmer and K3. The external preamplifier option is used to get antenna signal during receive to a splitter and than back to K3 and to the SDRPlay. This does not give me a band scope, but a band map filled with stations an the local antenna. Which is ideal for "assisted" operation during a contest. Vy73 Harald DD0VS .-.-. --... ...-- -.. -.. ----- ...- ... > Am 24.03.2019 um 16:37 schrieb Peter Dougherty : > > Hello all. > > > > I would like to know if anybody is successfully running their K3/K3s with > (specifically) an SDRPlay, Win4K3 software, and CW Skimmer, and if so, how > did you hook it all together? > > > > My thought is to start reading up now, and then buy the hardware and > software at Dayton this year and play with it over the summer before contest > season starts. > > I'm specifically curious about getting RF into the SDRPlay. Do you use the > IF connection out from the P3, or something else? I have three antennas > coming in to my K3s at the moment: the primary TX/RX feed on ANT-1, a K9AY > receive antenna on RX IN, and an untuned vertical wire connected to the AUX > antenna port, which is used only for diversity reception. The radio is > connected via the USB interface exclusively, with no analog sound > connections at the moment. > > I don't plan to use this configuration for normal day-to-day operating. I'm > quite happy using the K3 as a conventional radio and just using the P3 as a > bandscope. This will be exclusively for CW contesting, and CW Dxpedition > pileups. > > One final question for those who have accomplished this successfully, which > model SDRplay are you using, and is there a specific reason for recommending > one version over another at this point? Thanks again! > > > --------------------------------------------- > 73 and Good DX > Peter, W2IRT > > > > President, North Jersey DX Association > > DXCC Card Checker > Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From kq8m at kq8m.com Sun Mar 24 15:25:08 2019 From: kq8m at kq8m.com (kq8m at kq8m.com) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 15:25:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DXCC Rules In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This has come up before the DXAC several years ago and they suggested to the ARRL board a mileage restriction for remote operation for DXCC acceptance and the ARRL Board totally ignored their recommendation. I have my suspicions as to why but I will keep them to myself. Good luck getting them to change now. 73 Tim, KQ8M kq8m at kq8m.com -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Steve Kercel Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 14:33 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] DXCC Rules Fellow Elecrafters: If someone thinks that there is a problem with DXCC rules as they currently stand, the proper venue for venting your concerns is the ARRL DX Advisory Committee. For access see: http://www.arrl.org/dx-advisory-committee 73, Steve Kercel, AA4AK ARRL Maine Section DXCC Card Checker ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From dave at nk7z.net Sun Mar 24 15:29:29 2019 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 12:29:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: <331D9FAF-FB17-4B06-95B8-DB420EC20084@charter.net> <785794710.535862.1553451290236@mymail.optimum.net> Message-ID: <9979a3db-2c24-5955-05b6-f0db1adc7531@nk7z.net> Now that I have owned a K3 for a few years, I have what the new folks don't have, K3 experience... Here is my take on this, now that I have some experience under my belt... How much better can Elecraft make a K4, as compared to a K3? I am already atmospheric noise limited, so sensitivity is not the issue with my K3. My current K3 reacts well to close by hams... My current K3 allows computer control... My current K3 allows remote control... My current K3 seems to fit all of my needs... My current K3 is to die for on CW... Sure I could use more dynamic range, but honestly, that is not really limiting my QSO or DX count... So really, all I might see is a new display, maybe some color, maybe a few more features, perhaps some better filtering... What would really chap my ass would be for Elecraft to come up with a K4, and fork the software, and upgrade paths. That would pretty well end all development on the K3 after some till defined ime frame, not yet stated... If Elecraft comes up with a K4, and it is just a prettier version of a K3, with maybe a few new additional features, but Elecraft does not fork the product line, and/or software, I would be happy with my current radio. The K3 really does perform so much better than anything I have ever used I don't imagine there is a lot that could be done to make it so much better as to make me want a K4. I doubt any prospective K4 would up my DXCC count, or make -50 FT8 signals suddenly decode. I am also 66, so my current, or next radio will be probably my last... I really don't want to get on the Flex bandwagon, of paying tons for a radio/science experiment, only to have it sell of 40% of new, three years later... I am happy with the K3 for now... If a K4 comes out, maybe, but if I did not have a K3, I and knowing what I know after owning one for years, I would be pretty ticked at myself for waiting a year for a K4, even if it came out... 73s and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Technical Specialist ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL OOC for Oregon On 3/24/19 11:38 AM, Chip Stratton wrote: > Seems like you need to decide what you want to do with a radio, which radio > will do best for what you have to spend, and get that radio. Why wait > around for something that might or might not be in the future and may or > may not fit your needs better in some incremental way? You will never know > if a K4 is coming until Elecraft actually announces it. > > Chip > AE5KA > > On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 2:15 PM levandowski wrote: > >> I've been a dedicated Elecrafter for well over a decade. I've built and >> owned all the radios - sometimes more than once - plus the KXPA100, and >> many other products. Wayne should look at my purchase history records. >> >> But I reached the point where I got tired of orange screens so I sold >> everything and bought a Kenwood TS-590SG where the screen color went from >> yellow through orange to green. It was a very capable radio and sounded >> very nice. But I still wasn't satisfied. >> >> So I traded it in on a TS-890S five months ago. Now that's a beautiful, >> capable, colorful and HEAVY radio. >> >> But there's just something about Elecraft......so I sold it last week, put >> the money back in the bank and now I'm operating a little Hilltopper as my >> only radio while I take a deep breath and figure out which of the Elecraft >> radios that I previously owned and stupidly sold, I'll re-purchase. >> >> I'm holding out hope for a new, colorful offering in the May time frame >> but if not, it's probably going to be either another KX3 or a KX2 again. >> Barefoot. >> >> I guess I had to take the whole trip until I could figure out where I >> wanted to settle down.... >> >> 73, Stan WB2LQF >> >> >>> On March 24, 2019 at 1:35 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Purchase what you want today. Tomorrow may never come. If you wait >> until tomorrow you'll never have a new radio. >>> >>> Bob, K4TAX >>> >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From n1ix at n1ix.com Sun Mar 24 15:33:50 2019 From: n1ix at n1ix.com (n1ix at n1ix.com) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 15:33:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Problem with new KAT500 Message-ID: <004a01d4e278$822e1cc0$868a5640$@n1ix.com> I just received a new factory built KAT500 a few days ago. I am using it with my K3 and KPA500 cabled with (2) E850463 Aux interface cables as in Figure 1 on page 5 of the KAT500 manual. I have recently updated the firmware on both the K3 and KPA500. I am running about 250W on FT8. The K3 output is about 12W. My problem is in "auto" mode. The tuner suddenly tries to tune, searching for a solution when it doesn't require tuning. This is without any change in frequency. This causes the amplifier keying to be disabled. There are no fault conditions on either the tuner or the amp. This occurs on any of my antennas including a Steppir that has a 1.2 SWR without the tuner. Everything is fine in "manual" mode. I have read and reread the manual and don't see anything that I am doing incorrectly. Any ideas would be appreciated. 73 Dave N1IX From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sun Mar 24 15:35:29 2019 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 12:35:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Eric spoke at our club last month. I asked him about any upcoming announcements and he just smiled and remained silent. I greatly appreciate the fact that Elecraft works hard to make the newest and greatest retrofittable to the older radios. I have upgraded everything in my K3 to the K3S level except the tuning knob. The fora most likely for a new announcements are Dayton and Visalia. If you wait until after Dayton, that's the best chance of not being surprised while unpacking your new K3S. 73 Bill AE6JV On 3/24/19 at 10:16 AM, w5sum at comcast.net wrote: >Before I spend money on a K3S, I?m just curious.. is a K4 in >the planning stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just >days later the K3S was announced. I was livid.. LOL ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Ham radio contesting is a | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | contact sport. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | - Ken Widelitz K6LA / VY2TT | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From macymonkeys at charter.net Sun Mar 24 15:35:47 2019 From: macymonkeys at charter.net (Macy monkeys) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 12:35:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Do you think the 'K4' will have a touch display? Seems to be all the rage nowadays. Yaesu's 3D display looks intriguing. Whatever the K4 turns out to be, if it's over 25 lbs I'm not interested. Was never so happy as the day I sold that 57 lb TS-990S. John K7FD > On Mar 24, 2019, at 12:16 PM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: > > Of course they can't say, since it would shut off sales for the K3S. I added new synthesizers to my K3, but didn't feel that the other stuff justified buying a new rig. But that is for everyone to decide for themselves. > > 73, > Victor, 4X6GP > Rehovot, Israel > Formerly K2VCO > CWops no. 5 > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ > > >> On 24/03/2019 19:16, w5sum at comcast.net wrote: >> Before I spend money on a K3S, I?m just curious.. is a K4 in the >> planning stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just days later >> the K3S was announced. I was livid.. LOL >> so.. what say Elecraft? >> Ronnie W5SUM > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Sun Mar 24 15:37:15 2019 From: KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 12:37:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7f2a7de4-df84-5d6c-806f-acf7fffb3ad1@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> The purpose of this group is what the moderator says it is. On 3/24/2019 5:40 AM, Bill wrote: > I have been under the assumption that this group existed as a technical > support center for owners/users of Elecraft equipment: A place to ask > questions and learn about the operation and use of said equipment. > > I see no reason for long discussions regarding DX/contest operations, > the rules, politics, or other trivia of same in this group - a group > supporting the technical issues of owners/users. > > Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to be > taken up by non-technical discussions of which many users have no interest? > > Bill W2BLC owner/user > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From ke8g.jim at gmail.com Sun Mar 24 15:41:40 2019 From: ke8g.jim at gmail.com (KE8G) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 15:41:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Problem with new KAT500 In-Reply-To: <004a01d4e278$822e1cc0$868a5640$@n1ix.com> References: <004a01d4e278$822e1cc0$868a5640$@n1ix.com> Message-ID: Hi Dave, Yes, you would think that auto mode is probably the best to be in, but it's not. Once you have the tuner "trained" for the operating frequencies, put it in manual mode and leave it there. That's what I did and continue to do, and I've had the KAT500/KPA500 combo for quite a few years. 73 de Jim - KE8G On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 3:34 PM wrote: > I just received a new factory built KAT500 a few days ago. > > I am using it with my K3 and KPA500 cabled with (2) E850463 Aux interface > cables as in Figure 1 on page 5 of the KAT500 manual. > > I have recently updated the firmware on both the K3 and KPA500. > > > > I am running about 250W on FT8. The K3 output is about 12W. > > > > My problem is in "auto" mode. The tuner suddenly tries to tune, searching > for a solution when it doesn't require tuning. This is without any change > in > frequency. > > This causes the amplifier keying to be disabled. There are no fault > conditions on either the tuner or the amp. > > This occurs on any of my antennas including a Steppir that has a 1.2 SWR > without the tuner. > > > > Everything is fine in "manual" mode. > > > > I have read and reread the manual and don't see anything that I am doing > incorrectly. > > > > Any ideas would be appreciated. > > > > 73 > > Dave N1IX > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sun Mar 24 15:42:52 2019 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 12:42:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Possible P3 UI Improvements In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks to both Victor, 4X6GP and Dave, NK7Z for their macros which try to overcome the limits of the P3 UI. Indeed, fixing the UI problems of the P3 would make an interesting Raspberry Pi project. My major interest in posting my suggestions was to improve the base P3 UI to make it more competitive in the marketplace. 73 Bill AE6JV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | I don't have high-speed | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | internet. I have DSL. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From mike.flowers at gmail.com Sun Mar 24 15:50:16 2019 From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 12:50:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <9979a3db-2c24-5955-05b6-f0db1adc7531@nk7z.net> References: <331D9FAF-FB17-4B06-95B8-DB420EC20084@charter.net> <785794710.535862.1553451290236@mymail.optimum.net> <9979a3db-2c24-5955-05b6-f0db1adc7531@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <6134BD0F-0453-454C-A294-4470E4E835D2@gmail.com> I bought my K-Line K3-P3-KAT500-KPA500 used and it?s met all my DXing needs, and I?ve not missed any ATNOs if I was around to work them. Upgraded the Synth cards and had the gold pins installed and that?s it. It?s been the best rig I?ve ever owned. I flirted with the idea of a K3s, but just couldn?t cost justify the added expense. The Wizards of Watsonville always seem to have something up their sleeves and it will be interesting to see what?s next. If the new offering is a greater performance improvement than the K3s, I might be tempted. -- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!" > On Mar 24, 2019, at 12:29 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: > > Now that I have owned a K3 for a few years, I have what the new folks don't have, K3 experience... > > Here is my take on this, now that I have some experience under my belt... > > How much better can Elecraft make a K4, as compared to a K3? > > I am already atmospheric noise limited, so sensitivity is not the issue with my K3. > > My current K3 reacts well to close by hams... > > My current K3 allows computer control... > > My current K3 allows remote control... > > My current K3 seems to fit all of my needs... > > My current K3 is to die for on CW... > > Sure I could use more dynamic range, but honestly, that is not really limiting my QSO or DX count... So really, all I might see is a new display, maybe some color, maybe a few more features, perhaps some better filtering... > > What would really chap my ass would be for Elecraft to come up with a K4, and fork the software, and upgrade paths. That would pretty well end all development on the K3 after some till defined ime frame, not yet stated... If Elecraft comes up with a K4, and it is just a prettier version of a K3, with maybe a few new additional features, but Elecraft does not fork the product line, and/or software, I would be happy with my current radio. > > The K3 really does perform so much better than anything I have ever used I don't imagine there is a lot that could be done to make it so much better as to make me want a K4. I doubt any prospective K4 would up my DXCC count, or make -50 FT8 signals suddenly decode. > > I am also 66, so my current, or next radio will be probably my last... I really don't want to get on the Flex bandwagon, of paying tons for a radio/science experiment, only to have it sell of 40% of new, three years later... I am happy with the K3 for now... If a K4 comes out, maybe, but if I did not have a K3, I and knowing what I know after owning one for years, I would be pretty ticked at myself for waiting a year for a K4, even if it came out... > > 73s and thanks, > Dave (NK7Z) > https://www.nk7z.net > ARRL Technical Specialist > ARRL Volunteer Examiner > ARRL OOC for Oregon > >> On 3/24/19 11:38 AM, Chip Stratton wrote: >> Seems like you need to decide what you want to do with a radio, which radio >> will do best for what you have to spend, and get that radio. Why wait >> around for something that might or might not be in the future and may or >> may not fit your needs better in some incremental way? You will never know >> if a K4 is coming until Elecraft actually announces it. >> Chip >> AE5KA >>> On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 2:15 PM levandowski wrote: >>> I've been a dedicated Elecrafter for well over a decade. I've built and >>> owned all the radios - sometimes more than once - plus the KXPA100, and >>> many other products. Wayne should look at my purchase history records. >>> >>> But I reached the point where I got tired of orange screens so I sold >>> everything and bought a Kenwood TS-590SG where the screen color went from >>> yellow through orange to green. It was a very capable radio and sounded >>> very nice. But I still wasn't satisfied. >>> >>> So I traded it in on a TS-890S five months ago. Now that's a beautiful, >>> capable, colorful and HEAVY radio. >>> >>> But there's just something about Elecraft......so I sold it last week, put >>> the money back in the bank and now I'm operating a little Hilltopper as my >>> only radio while I take a deep breath and figure out which of the Elecraft >>> radios that I previously owned and stupidly sold, I'll re-purchase. >>> >>> I'm holding out hope for a new, colorful offering in the May time frame >>> but if not, it's probably going to be either another KX3 or a KX2 again. >>> Barefoot. >>> >>> I guess I had to take the whole trip until I could figure out where I >>> wanted to settle down.... >>> >>> 73, Stan WB2LQF >>> >>> >>>> On March 24, 2019 at 1:35 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Purchase what you want today. Tomorrow may never come. If you wait >>> until tomorrow you'll never have a new radio. >>>> >>>> Bob, K4TAX >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Mar 24 15:52:01 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 12:52:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group In-Reply-To: References: <874A1D71-7347-4E36-B447-C729A458B241@w2xj.net> Message-ID: On 3/24/2019 8:07 AM, Kevin der Kinderen wrote: > A little flexibility in the content keeps it interesting. Delete key works > fine. It does if you get individual emails, but not if you get a digest, which is why I don't use the digest mode. 73, Jim K9YC From n6kr at elecraft.com Sun Mar 24 15:52:36 2019 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 12:52:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > it's over 25 lbs I'm not interested. Was never so happy as the day I sold that 57 lb TS-990S. Amen, brother. You?ll never see a home-brew rig weighing more than about 12 pounds in my shack. Wayne N6KR From k1whs at metrocast.net Sun Mar 24 15:55:47 2019 From: k1whs at metrocast.net (David Olean) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 19:55:47 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <080d061b-72de-e879-2de3-8a189604f24b@metrocast.net> Some people go through radios like eating popcorn. I am sort of the opposite animal.? I too bought a K3 about three weeks before the K3S was announced. I suspected something was going on when I discovered that there was a new synthesizer in my new K3. I was not too upset at all. Anyway, I now have three K3 radios and view them as being all of my "children". I can't bring myself to sell any of them even though I don't need multiple rigs anymore. (We had a multi-multi station and I have about 6 or 7 Bird 43 meters as well!) Each K3 is outfitted for different situations. One is a bare bones 10 watt version that is great for portable operating. I will see what happens in the future, but for now, I am pretty darn happy with receiver performance today.? Ham radio is a hobby, not a business. I don't have to maximize profits to satisfy investors.? If I am not using it, I put it on a shelf. I have been stung so many times in the past by selling off items that I thought I did not need. Dave K1WHS On 3/24/2019 7:35 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > Eric spoke at our club last month. I asked him about any upcoming > announcements and he just smiled and remained silent. > > I greatly appreciate the fact that Elecraft works hard to make the > newest and greatest retrofittable to the older radios. I have upgraded > everything in my K3 to the K3S level except the tuning knob. > > The fora most likely for a new announcements are Dayton and Visalia. > If you wait until after Dayton, that's the best chance of not being > surprised while unpacking your new K3S. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > On 3/24/19 at 10:16 AM, w5sum at comcast.net wrote: > >> Before I spend money on a K3S, I?m just curious.. is a K4 in the >> planning stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just days later >> the K3S was announced. I was livid.. LOL > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz??????? | Ham radio contesting is a??? | Periwinkle > (408)356-8506????? | contact sport.?????????????? | 16345 Englewood Ave > www.pwpconsult.com |? - Ken Widelitz K6LA / VY2TT | Los Gatos, CA 95032 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Sun Mar 24 16:05:41 2019 From: KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 13:05:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group In-Reply-To: References: <874A1D71-7347-4E36-B447-C729A458B241@w2xj.net> Message-ID: <325394c7-a1e1-45d2-4396-be6928bffe5b@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> POPfile does an admirable job of sorting. This message went directly to my OT folder, the "will there be a K4" thread is in the QRO folder, etc. I do not have to build filters or know why it puts a message in a folder, I just have to classify a couple of examples to start, then reclassify a few mistakes from time to time. 73 -- Lynn On 3/24/2019 12:52 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On 3/24/2019 8:07 AM, Kevin der Kinderen wrote: >> A little flexibility in the content keeps it interesting. Delete key >> works >> fine. > > It does if you get individual emails, but not if you get a digest, which > is why I don't use the digest mode. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From tom.parish at gmail.com Sun Mar 24 16:08:19 2019 From: tom.parish at gmail.com (Tom Parish) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 15:08:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KX2 Loaded Message-ID: I recently upgraded my rig so it?s best I let this wonderfully engineered device go for economic reasons. Selling the entire package. KX2 80-10 M SSB/CW/DATA Transceiver MH3 (mic) KXAT2 (Antenna (Tuner) KXBT2 (Lithium Battery) KXBT2 (Lithium Battery) 2nd spare KXBC2 (Lithium Battery Charger) KXIO1 (Real Time Clock) KXPD2_Precision Keyer Paddle ES60 Compact Padded Carrying Case (Larger) KXAT2 Internal, Wide-Range 20-W Antenna Tuner USB cable and various cable connectors I am the original owner. The radio has been in a smoke free environment and is in very good condition. $1050 shipped with insurance - CONUS only. Email me directly Tom.Parish at gmail.com will send pics or video. Tom KB5RF Austin TX 78704 -- Inspire Curiosity Together TomParish.com 512- 497-5046 From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Mar 24 16:25:09 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 13:25:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <9979a3db-2c24-5955-05b6-f0db1adc7531@nk7z.net> References: <331D9FAF-FB17-4B06-95B8-DB420EC20084@charter.net> <785794710.535862.1553451290236@mymail.optimum.net> <9979a3db-2c24-5955-05b6-f0db1adc7531@nk7z.net> Message-ID: On 3/24/2019 12:29 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: > My current K3 is to die for on CW... AND on SSB, thanks to the built-in EQ for both transmit and receive, the excellent audio processing, the excellent receiver, including the range of roofing filters. 73, Jim K9YC From ab2cj at optonline.net Sun Mar 24 16:37:32 2019 From: ab2cj at optonline.net (ab2cj) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 16:37:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Filter Shape Factor In-Reply-To: <02aee5d2-024a-8ca1-d647-c9c117cff4e5@optonline.net> References: <02aee5d2-024a-8ca1-d647-c9c117cff4e5@optonline.net> Message-ID: <4e6fa5ef-f912-63e4-2c5c-a1c847cdbd1c@optonline.net> All: Thanks to everyone who responded to my question regarding crystal filter shape factors for the K3S. The plots shown on the Elecraft website are a bit fuzzy for my eyes, but I did find the list shown below from a post in 2008. I'm assuming the shape factors are the same for the current batch of filters? Tony Filter BW(-6dB) Shape Factor 200 224 4.0 250 370 2.1 400 435 2.1 500 565 3.1 1000 1063 1.6 1800 1913 1.5 2700 2910 2.9 2800 2888 1.6 6000 6125 1.5 From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Mar 24 16:19:04 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 13:19:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <909E5437-1CF0-4572-AE11-824F8C031E31@gmail.com> References: <001b01d4e267$66e26950$34a73bf0$@windstream.net> <14E0B9BE-7A89-423E-BBE4-119EE22BD19A@charter.net> <909E5437-1CF0-4572-AE11-824F8C031E31@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 3/24/2019 11:13 AM, Alan Corbeth wrote: > I really want to join the Elecraft Family, but the K3 is aging and I feel a major upgrade must be on the table. Icom, Flex, and now Yaesu have recently introduced new high tech models. Gee -- the two K3s I bought in 2008 were updated about 3 years ago by the substitution of several modules designed for the K3S. They are plug-in compatible in the radios I paid $3K for, the upgrade cost me about $600, and the radios blow away anything from Icom, Yaesu, or Kenwood. And if you want to upgrade those radios you have to buy a new one. There's nothing "low tech" about Elecraft rigs, nor "high tech" about the expensive rigs (or SDR rigs) from other mfrs. Except for the top line Flex rigs, it's nothing more than needing to have the latest, flashiest model in the driveway. Indeed, the only competing rig that's anywhere near being in the same class as a K3 is the Flex 6700, and it's been recognized by both serious contesters and solid engineers as a very good radio. My advice -- if you want a K3, buy one of the used ones that come up from time to time on this reflector. They usually sell at half the cost of a new K3S, still blow away the competition, and can be upgraded to 90% of a K3S for under $800. 73, Jim K9YC From n4fn.neil at gmail.com Sun Mar 24 16:43:05 2019 From: n4fn.neil at gmail.com (Neil Foster) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 16:43:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] From a new guy Message-ID: Well I just took delivery on my first Elecraft, a KPA1500 and I have to say after 60 years in the hobby it is the slickest thing since sliced bread!. The KPA1500 Remote display is fantastic....OK now that that is said here is the other shoe falling. I have been a LONG time member of the ARRL and lots of times they do REALLY stupid things. Point in case BS7H "Scaffold Reef". One other poster suggested writing the DXAC, well great idea, except the DXAC turned down (as they should have) Sacaffold Reef. However, in their infinite wisdom (or lack of it) the ARRL Board overruled the DXAC causing several long time DXAC members to resign. You would have thought they would have learned after the JA stilt operation years ago that was initially OK and then deleted. Maybe the folks at the League will learn, but I doubt it. My two cents. And I love the KPA1500!?? Neil N4FN From k9yeq at live.com Sun Mar 24 16:47:42 2019 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 20:47:42 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] From a new guy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Agreed. I have limited time in hobby compared... 59 years!! Best amp out there in my opinion after tons of research before making the jump. Proof... you get what you pay for. Love the extra gain over the KPA500 in these Sun cycle times. 73, Bill K9YEQ https://wrj-tech.com/ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Neil Foster Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 3:43 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] From a new guy Well I just took delivery on my first Elecraft, a KPA1500 and I have to say after 60 years in the hobby it is the slickest thing since sliced bread!. The KPA1500 Remote display is fantastic....OK now that that is said here is the other shoe falling. I have been a LONG time member of the ARRL and lots of times they do REALLY stupid things. Point in case BS7H "Scaffold Reef". One other poster suggested writing the DXAC, well great idea, except the DXAC turned down (as they should have) Sacaffold Reef. However, in their infinite wisdom (or lack of it) the ARRL Board overruled the DXAC causing several long time DXAC members to resign. You would have thought they would have learned after the JA stilt operation years ago that was initially OK and then deleted. Maybe the folks at the League will learn, but I doubt it. My two cents. And I love the KPA1500!?? Neil N4FN ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From nr4c at widomaker.com Sun Mar 24 16:54:52 2019 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 16:54:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Filter Shape Factor In-Reply-To: <4e6fa5ef-f912-63e4-2c5c-a1c847cdbd1c@optonline.net> References: <02aee5d2-024a-8ca1-d647-c9c117cff4e5@optonline.net> <4e6fa5ef-f912-63e4-2c5c-a1c847cdbd1c@optonline.net> Message-ID: <2C4F339A-3069-4FC9-ABAB-9BC11A10B605@widomaker.com> Note that some of those filters are no longer available and new ones replace them. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 24, 2019, at 4:37 PM, ab2cj wrote: > > All: > > Thanks to everyone who responded to my question regarding crystal filter shape factors for the K3S. The plots shown on the Elecraft website are a bit fuzzy for my eyes, but I did find the list shown below from a post in 2008. > > I'm assuming the shape factors are the same for the current batch of filters? > > Tony > > Filter BW(-6dB) Shape Factor > 200 224 4.0 > 250 370 2.1 > 400 435 2.1 > 500 565 3.1 > 1000 1063 1.6 > 1800 1913 1.5 > 2700 2910 2.9 > 2800 2888 1.6 > 6000 6125 1.5 > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From W2xj at w2xj.net Sun Mar 24 17:09:41 2019 From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 17:09:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group In-Reply-To: References: <874A1D71-7347-4E36-B447-C729A458B241@w2xj.net> Message-ID: Digests are decades out of date. Sent from my iPad > On Mar 24, 2019, at 3:52 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On 3/24/2019 8:07 AM, Kevin der Kinderen wrote: >> A little flexibility in the content keeps it interesting. Delete key works >> fine. > > It does if you get individual emails, but not if you get a digest, which is why I don't use the digest mode. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From k4to.dave at gmail.com Sun Mar 24 17:10:59 2019 From: k4to.dave at gmail.com (Dave Sublette) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 17:10:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Firmware update trouble Message-ID: We were doing a firmware update (my son and I). All went well until the KX3 became stuck in the MCU LD condition. We followed the manual instructions (several times). The KX3 is still stuck and the computer cannot find the KX3 port. The computer recognizes the cable, but communications fail with the KX3. We have rebooted the computer and restarted the KX3 utility without success. The Kx3 utility is the latest. We successfully downloaded it and installed before we started. What can we do next? Dave, K4TO From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sun Mar 24 17:14:20 2019 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 13:14:20 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 Message-ID: <201903242114.x2OLEMSn016372@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Someday! But the K3s is still new to the marketplace and Eric and Wayne (aka Elecraft) are in a "for-profit" enterprise. I suspect their business plan specifies a target number of sales to make a new product "successful". Most likely that will be a few more years to arrive. What could move-up that date would be emergence of competing products with more advanced features/specs. My guess the K4 will arrive with substantial different design - and they are taking notes on the desires of the readership (no dummies, they are). Obviously direct -conversion is one, when A/D technology advances enough (and is fiscally reasonable) to do well. I'd say we are there, now (KX3 and KX2). Since I am involved in one of the most technical demanding aspect of Ham radio (eme), folks should look at the advancements being done on eme. Latest arrival is the UADC4 designed-for-ham radio four audio port A/D convertor using USB computer interface. A perfect unit for interface with SDR's. KX3 provides IQ that would use two ports. This A/D has superior dynamic range and low noise floor when compared to soundcards. Eme'rs will proof this new technology and I expect it will begin to be adopted outside eme. Recent explosion of FT8 is an example. I bought my K3 in 2010 after thoroughly comparing the field. Phase coherent dual receivers were the significant goal. I pair them with two LP-Pan run from a single LO into a Delta44 soundcard (which will be replaced by the UADC4). I updated the Synth boards when they became available and modified the Gen Coverage BP filter to accept 630m. Did not need the new K3s USB I/F as line-in audio and USB/RS232 conversion cables working fine. Some of the other improvements not used in my particular applications. Who knows if the K4 will encourage me to upgrade? 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From fcady at montana.edu Sun Mar 24 17:39:29 2019 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 21:39:29 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Problem with new KAT500 In-Reply-To: <004a01d4e278$822e1cc0$868a5640$@n1ix.com> References: <004a01d4e278$822e1cc0$868a5640$@n1ix.com> Message-ID: Hi Dave, Basically you shouldn't be running in Auto mode because if the tuner happens to calculate a "bad" swr it will try to retune even though it doesn't have to. You should just train the tuner for your operating frequencies and then operate in Manual mode. Here are a couple of pdf files that may help you understand a bit more how the amp and tuner work. http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide 73, Fred KE7X For information on all KE7X Elecraft books and "The Successful Ham Radio Operator's Handbook", see www.ke7x.com. PS: Lulu has a 15% discount on print books. The code is LKAB317CD ________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of n1ix at n1ix.com Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 1:33 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Problem with new KAT500 I just received a new factory built KAT500 a few days ago. I am using it with my K3 and KPA500 cabled with (2) E850463 Aux interface cables as in Figure 1 on page 5 of the KAT500 manual. I have recently updated the firmware on both the K3 and KPA500. I am running about 250W on FT8. The K3 output is about 12W. My problem is in "auto" mode. The tuner suddenly tries to tune, searching for a solution when it doesn't require tuning. This is without any change in frequency. This causes the amplifier keying to be disabled. There are no fault conditions on either the tuner or the amp. This occurs on any of my antennas including a Steppir that has a 1.2 SWR without the tuner. Everything is fine in "manual" mode. I have read and reread the manual and don't see anything that I am doing incorrectly. Any ideas would be appreciated. 73 Dave N1IX ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From wunder at wunderwood.org Sun Mar 24 17:45:50 2019 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 16:45:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The purpose is somewhat broader than technical support, though technical and operating information about Elecraft products is central. From the signup page for the list: "The ELECRAFT email list server (reflector) is provided to further the discussion of Elecraft products and related items. It serves as a forum for the discussion of both technical and operating topics including KX1/K1/K2/K3/KX3/P3/KPA500 features, construction and debugs problems, sharing your enthusiasm and impressions from using our products and more general ham radio related topics of interest to our customers. There is a tremendous amount of knowledge and information available via the searchable list archives and by posting your questions to the list.? https://elecraft.com/pages/community wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Mar 24, 2019, at 7:40 AM, Bill wrote: > > I have been under the assumption that this group existed as a technical support center for owners/users of Elecraft equipment: A place to ask questions and learn about the operation and use of said equipment. > > I see no reason for long discussions regarding DX/contest operations, the rules, politics, or other trivia of same in this group - a group supporting the technical issues of owners/users. > > Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to be taken up by non-technical discussions of which many users have no interest? > > Bill W2BLC owner/user > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From bob at hogbytes.com Sun Mar 24 17:48:29 2019 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 14:48:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Firmware update trouble In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1553464109637-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Have you tried this. If you accidentally load an old or incompatible firmware version and find the KX3 unresponsive, do the following: (1) Unplug the KX3 from the power supply. If internal batteries are installed, also remove one battery. (2) Plug a power supply in (or reinstall the removed battery). (3) hold the KX3?s BAND- and ATU TUNE together for about 10 seconds, after which you?ll see the TX LED flash (you?ll also see MCU LD on the LCD). (4) Connect the KX3 to a computer and run KX3 Utility, which will load new firmware. -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From bob at hogbytes.com Sun Mar 24 17:48:52 2019 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 14:48:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Firmware update trouble In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1553464132643-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Have you tried this. If you accidentally load an old or incompatible firmware version and find the KX3 unresponsive, do the following: (1) Unplug the KX3 from the power supply. If internal batteries are installed, also remove one battery. (2) Plug a power supply in (or reinstall the removed battery). (3) hold the KX3?s BAND- and ATU TUNE together for about 10 seconds, after which you?ll see the TX LED flash (you?ll also see MCU LD on the LCD). (4) Connect the KX3 to a computer and run KX3 Utility, which will load new firmware. -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From k4to.dave at gmail.com Sun Mar 24 17:49:52 2019 From: k4to.dave at gmail.com (Dave Sublette) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 17:49:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Firmware update trouble In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dick and list, We have successfully updated the firmware for the DSP and the MCU. The problem occurred as we were trying to install with the KXPA100 in line. I removed it and connected the computer directly to the KX3 and all went well. Later, we were able to connect the KXPA100 and confirmed that the KXPA100 has the latest firmware. Thanks to Dick and all of you who monitor this list and contribute support. 73, Dave, K4TO On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 5:10 PM Dave Sublette wrote: > We were doing a firmware update (my son and I). All went well until the > KX3 became stuck in the MCU LD condition. We followed the manual > instructions (several times). > > The KX3 is still stuck and the computer cannot find the KX3 port. The > computer recognizes the cable, but communications fail with the KX3. > > We have rebooted the computer and restarted the KX3 utility without > success. The Kx3 utility is the latest. We successfully downloaded it and > installed before we started. > > What can we do next? > > Dave, K4TO > From doug at kj0f.com Sun Mar 24 18:25:32 2019 From: doug at kj0f.com (Doug Person) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 17:25:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My main radio is an IC-7610. Nice screen, spectrum display built in. Cost effective for what you get. However, I miss my K3. There some things that other radios just can't seem to do as well. Right now, my next radio purchase will be the K4 - when ever that is. I'm convinced it will happen. It is just a matter of time. The K3 is very dated. All the major manufacturers now all have 7" color touch screens and real-time spectrum displays. Performance has improved greatly all around. Something that has happened as a result of the K3 setting a high bar. So - is the K4 in the planning stages? No one outside of Elecraft can answer that. But the odds are very high that it is. Elecraft has to compete and the competition has set a new bar. The K3s is only going to go so far while the market takes such a dramatic nee direction. The K3s is not so different from the K3 and it was easy to upgrade the K3 to the full equivalent of the K3s. Any potential K4 is going to be very much like the K3s with the P3 integrated into a somewhat larger box. Being already at or near to the top of the performance list, a K4 is going to be more about aesthetics than performance. With this in mind, a K3s and a P3 will do anything any potential K4 will do. So it can be a tough decision. Wait or don't wait. The K3s will not disappoint. But, my special ham radio savings account is still growing as I wait patiently for the K4. I just hope it won't be too long. Eric... Can I put a deposit down now? (Just kidding...) Doug -- KJ0F On 3/24/2019 12:16 PM, w5sum at comcast.net wrote: > Before I spend money on a K3S, I?m just curious.. is a K4 in the planning stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just days later the K3S was announced. I was livid.. LOL > > so.. what say Elecraft? > > Ronnie W5SUM > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- 73 de Doug -- KJ0F From k1ep.list at gmail.com Sun Mar 24 18:42:37 2019 From: k1ep.list at gmail.com (Ed K1EP) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 18:42:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 24, 2019, 13:16 wrote: > Before I spend money on a K3S, I?m just curious.. is a K4 in the planning > stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just days later the K3S was > announced. I was livid.. LOL > Please buy a K3S ASAP!! ;-) From doug at kj0f.com Sun Mar 24 18:47:23 2019 From: doug at kj0f.com (Doug Person) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 17:47:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48097922-4418-d3f1-34dc-292d4c69dfb2@kj0f.com> This group is more about sharing the experience of using Elecraft products, making suggestions for product improvements, offering other members advice on best operating techniques, and so much more.? Want a suggestion on which mic to use with your K3s? How to setup memories for cw ops? Use external software to operate your rig? The best type of PC to use or best approach to physically interface your rig to your PC?? These are just a very small set of questions you might ask here. This is an active community of devoted Elecraft users. But, it's also about ham radio. Any kind of serious support question should go directly to Elecraft's outstanding support staff via email. Doug -- KJ0F On 3/24/2019 7:40 AM, Bill wrote: > I have been under the assumption that this group existed as a > technical support center for owners/users of Elecraft equipment: A > place to ask questions and learn about the operation and use of said > equipment. > > I see no reason for long discussions regarding DX/contest operations, > the rules, politics, or other trivia of same in this group - a group > supporting the technical issues of owners/users. > > Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to > be taken up by non-technical discussions of which many users have no > interest? > > Bill W2BLC owner/user > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- 73 de Doug -- KJ0F From w5sum at comcast.net Sun Mar 24 18:52:03 2019 From: w5sum at comcast.net (w5sum at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 17:52:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <66602A4F3F464D509D646A7540E5D82F@MININTMC1HLDC> I think I will take my finger off the trigger on that $6000 sale and wait until after June LOL Ronnie W5SUM From: Ed K1EP Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 5:42 PM To: w5sum at comcast.net Cc: Elecraft Mailing List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 On Sun, Mar 24, 2019, 13:16 wrote: Before I spend money on a K3S, I?m just curious.. is a K4 in the planning stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just days later the K3S was announced. I was livid.. LOL Please buy a K3S ASAP!! ;-) From mike at ki8r.com Sun Mar 24 18:54:06 2019 From: mike at ki8r.com (Michael Murphy) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 18:54:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I bought my K3 in December only to see the K3s come out at Dayton. However I did do the upgrade which still keeps my receive on par with a K3s (maybe not totally on par but very close). The state of the art is such that even if you buy a K3s today and a K4 comes out at Dayton, you still have a top of the line radio, unless there is some ground breaking innovation with a K4. Whatever you decide, remember that the next one will certainly cost more. - Mike - KI8R On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 3:16 PM Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: > Of course they can't say, since it would shut off sales for the K3S. I > added new synthesizers to my K3, but didn't feel that the other stuff > justified buying a new rig. But that is for everyone to decide for > themselves. > > 73, > Victor, 4X6GP > Rehovot, Israel > Formerly K2VCO > CWops no. 5 > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ > > > On 24/03/2019 19:16, w5sum at comcast.net wrote: > > Before I spend money on a K3S, I?m just curious.. is a K4 in the > > planning stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just days later > > the K3S was announced. I was livid.. LOL > > > > so.. what say Elecraft? > > > > Ronnie W5SUM > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- ----------------------------------------------- *Michael Murphy - KI8R* mike at ki8r.com www.ki8r.com *614-371-8265 (cell)* ----------------------------------------------- From hbjr at optilink.us Sun Mar 24 19:03:28 2019 From: hbjr at optilink.us (hbjr at optilink.us) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 19:03:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group In-Reply-To: <48097922-4418-d3f1-34dc-292d4c69dfb2@kj0f.com> References: <48097922-4418-d3f1-34dc-292d4c69dfb2@kj0f.com> Message-ID: <01f001d4e295$cb17b500$61471f00$@optilink.us> I monitored this group before I bought my K3s back in October. I have learned how to make cables for various things, who makes good homebrew gear (and some guys that sell their own stuff for K3's and KX's), and even bought some used Elecraft gear hear. I'm not sure how to call out the wrong topics...I think we should all leave that to the moderators ? Hank K4HYJ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Doug Person Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 6:47 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group This group is more about sharing the experience of using Elecraft products, making suggestions for product improvements, offering other members advice on best operating techniques, and so much more. Want a suggestion on which mic to use with your K3s? How to setup memories for cw ops? Use external software to operate your rig? The best type of PC to use or best approach to physically interface your rig to your PC? These are just a very small set of questions you might ask here. This is an active community of devoted Elecraft users. But, it's also about ham radio. Any kind of serious support question should go directly to Elecraft's outstanding support staff via email. Doug -- KJ0F On 3/24/2019 7:40 AM, Bill wrote: > I have been under the assumption that this group existed as a > technical support center for owners/users of Elecraft equipment: A > place to ask questions and learn about the operation and use of said > equipment. > > I see no reason for long discussions regarding DX/contest operations, > the rules, politics, or other trivia of same in this group - a group > supporting the technical issues of owners/users. > > Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to > be taken up by non-technical discussions of which many users have no > interest? > > Bill W2BLC owner/user > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- 73 de Doug -- KJ0F ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From johnn1jm at gmail.com Sun Mar 24 19:17:19 2019 From: johnn1jm at gmail.com (John_N1JM) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 16:17:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1553469439466-0.post@n2.nabble.com> I'll second that, too. John N1JM wayne burdick wrote >> it's over 25 lbs I'm not interested. Was never so happy as the day I sold >> that 57 lb TS-990S. > > > > > > > > > Amen, brother. You?ll never see a home-brew rig weighing more than about > 12 pounds in my shack. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: > Elecraft at .qth > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From wglevy at gmail.com Sun Mar 24 19:21:17 2019 From: wglevy at gmail.com (William Levy) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 19:21:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Radio Rules, DXCC, WAS, Operating, Then and Now Message-ID: Dear all, The world has changed. When I was a kid with a simple RX and TX all I wanted was what the grownups had which was a tower with a TH6 and a Collins Amp. There was not 5 band dxcc. 5 Band just contributed to more qrm on more bands. There are not 335 countries. If you want to know how many countries there are look at the UN. DXCC is a game we play against ourselves. We can get our 100 with a dipole and 100 watts. Or we can build a 150 rotating tower and stack yagis and add db's that way. There are no rules about how you get your dxcc and certainly if you live in an apartment being able to remote is a godsend. Thank god for lists and remotes and fabulous radios and solid state amps and the internet. Frankly I would make all dx countries that require dangerous expeditions illegal. It is darn site quicker to call on our iPhones, text or email all the countries in the world than to pretend that we have accomplished something with radios. The DXCC program is going the way of the Conestoga Wagons and Candle Making. It's just a matter of time. If you don't believe me what does FT8 contest mode prove? Sincerely, Bill N2WL From va3mw at portcredit.net Sun Mar 24 19:28:14 2019 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 19:28:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <1553469439466-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1553469439466-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Will there be a K4? It comes down to economics and the all mighty dollar. Will hams buy enough radios for them to be economical to fund development, manufacturing and pay staff? Economics 101. Mike va3mw From jstengrevics at comcast.net Sun Mar 24 19:39:08 2019 From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 19:39:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: <1553469439466-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Cardinal rule of business: New products, new products, new products. John WA1EAZ > On Mar 24, 2019, at 7:28 PM, Michael Walker wrote: > > Will there be a K4? > > It comes down to economics and the all mighty dollar. > > Will hams buy enough radios for them to be economical to fund development, > manufacturing and pay staff? > > Economics 101. > > Mike va3mw > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From dave at nk7z.net Sun Mar 24 19:41:01 2019 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 16:41:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: <331D9FAF-FB17-4B06-95B8-DB420EC20084@charter.net> <785794710.535862.1553451290236@mymail.optimum.net> <9979a3db-2c24-5955-05b6-f0db1adc7531@nk7z.net> Message-ID: Jim, Have you found a good speaker for the K3? If so, which one is it? 73s and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Technical Specialist ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL OOC for Oregon On 3/24/19 1:25 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On 3/24/2019 12:29 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: >> My current K3 is to die for on CW... > > AND on SSB, thanks to the built-in EQ for both transmit and receive, the > excellent audio processing, the excellent receiver, including the range > of roofing filters. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From Gary at ka1j.com Sun Mar 24 19:41:59 2019 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 19:41:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <080d061b-72de-e879-2de3-8a189604f24b@metrocast.net> References: , <080d061b-72de-e879-2de3-8a189604f24b@metrocast.net> Message-ID: <5C9815C7.23548.2459092C@Gary.ka1j.com> I have K3 #202. It has all the upgrades possible to the K3 including the new PA, everything. It is covered on a shelf waiting for the day I need it if the K3s is being repaired. Same connections, a 3 minute swap job, done. I have my daily runner; K3s #10622 which has minus the 2M module, everything including the Sub RX, fully loaded with Elecraft bling. In a box is my father's Icom 7something pro, returned from repair and calibration and with 1 month use on it. I keep it for sentiment, I've never used it. I should let it go. I have my old Corsair II which I still love but it's not quiet enough now that the K kine has spoiled me. I'll probably give it to a new ham or sell it, I don't need it any longer. So I have come to love the Elecraft product line. I have decided if... there is a K4 and that is an upgrade to the K3s, I will get one and sell the K3. Sure I'll take a hit because the low SN# will scare some off but it'll sell at a fair price because it is perfect. That'll go toward the K4. If I took a good vacation that would set me back the cost of a new radio and I'd have nothing but smiles and photos to show for that multiple thousand dollar jaunt. Put that Vacay money into a K4 and I'll have something to give me daily smiles and memories. Not much can beat that. So if there's an upgrade K4, I'm in. Promise. 73, Gary KA1J From lists at w2irt.net Sun Mar 24 19:42:01 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 19:42:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: <1553469439466-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <028c01d4e29b$2e708000$8b518000$@w2irt.net> Honestly, I'm happy with my K3s, but--and I've said this many times before--I would gladly pay a premium for an I/Q out add-on board. Honestly, that's the one "modern" feature this top-shelf radio is missing as far as I'm concerned. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of John Stengrevics Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 7:39 PM To: Michael Walker Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 Cardinal rule of business: New products, new products, new products. John WA1EAZ From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Mar 24 19:42:19 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 16:42:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: <1553469439466-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Exactly right, and I have as much respect for Wayne and Eric for their well developed business and marketing judgment as for their great engineering. I started reading this reflector when I bought a loaded used K2 in 2003 (I was running my own small biz in those days, and didn't have time to build one), and so far, I've never seen them make a bad call! Elecraft is only about 25 miles from me, so many of their employees are neighbors. For solid biz reasons, they are tight-lipped, and I've never even tried to discuss anything with them that wasn't publicly announced. 73, Jim K9YC On 3/24/2019 4:28 PM, Michael Walker wrote: > It comes down to economics and the all mighty dollar. > > Will hams buy enough radios for them to be economical to fund development, > manufacturing and pay staff? > > Economics 101. From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun Mar 24 20:05:17 2019 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 17:05:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <5C9815C7.23548.2459092C@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <080d061b-72de-e879-2de3-8a189604f24b@metrocast.net> <5C9815C7.23548.2459092C@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <715396ef-be71-904a-50f2-da8dd15e5d85@foothill.net> Consider giving it/them to a new, hopefully young, ham with the condition that when he/she is done with it, she/he finds a new, hopefully young, ham to give it to.? Give it with a log, each recipient enters their data, emails you, and passes it on with the log when they're done with it.? I've done this with three pieces of ham gear I no longer needed now, the longest trail so far is 4, all under 35.? Five have contacted the Really Old Fart for guidance and advice for sources of good information. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 3/24/2019 4:41 PM, Gary Smith wrote: > In a box is my father's Icom 7something > pro, returned from repair and calibration > and with 1 month use on it. I keep it for > sentiment, I've never used it. I should > let it go. > > I have my old Corsair II which I still > love but it's not quiet enough now that > the K kine has spoiled me. I'll probably > give it to a new ham or sell it, I don't > need it any longer. > > From eric at elecraft.com Sun Mar 24 20:10:44 2019 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 17:10:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: <331D9FAF-FB17-4B06-95B8-DB420EC20084@charter.net> <785794710.535862.1553451290236@mymail.optimum.net> <9979a3db-2c24-5955-05b6-f0db1adc7531@nk7z.net> Message-ID: SP3 :-) Eric elecraft.com --- Sent from my iPhone 6S > On Mar 24, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: > > Jim, > Have you found a good speaker for the K3? If so, which one is it? > > 73s and thanks, > Dave (NK7Z) From kkinderen at gmail.com Sun Mar 24 20:11:35 2019 From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin der Kinderen) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 20:11:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: <1553469439466-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: It might not be fair for me to comment. I'm a KX3 user and it is used out in the field. That's mostly because there's no better full-featured, portable rig on the market. KX2, some compromises that some are willing to accept. The KX3 is king on the picnic table. On the other hand, I've had no real interest in the K3/K3s and a next generation K would need to be something very special indeed before I could consider it. I have tons of respect for Elecraft and what they do for amateur radio.I think they are the most responsive, least arrogant, real hams manufacturing and selling a great line of equipment. I wish the gear I use in the shack was manufactured by them. The world would be perfect. 73, Kev K4VD On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 7:42 PM Jim Brown wrote: > Exactly right, and I have as much respect for Wayne and Eric for their > well developed business and marketing judgment as for their great > engineering. I started reading this reflector when I bought a loaded > used K2 in 2003 (I was running my own small biz in those days, and > didn't have time to build one), and so far, I've never seen them make a > bad call! > > Elecraft is only about 25 miles from me, so many of their employees are > neighbors. For solid biz reasons, they are tight-lipped, and I've never > even tried to discuss anything with them that wasn't publicly announced. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > On 3/24/2019 4:28 PM, Michael Walker wrote: > > It comes down to economics and the all mighty dollar. > > > > Will hams buy enough radios for them to be economical to fund > development, > > manufacturing and pay staff? > > > > Economics 101. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From eric at elecraft.com Sun Mar 24 20:14:43 2019 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 17:14:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> Inquiring minds want to know: What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? Eric elecraft.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Mar 24 20:16:12 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 20:16:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: <331D9FAF-FB17-4B06-95B8-DB420EC20084@charter.net> <785794710.535862.1553451290236@mymail.optimum.net> <9979a3db-2c24-5955-05b6-f0db1adc7531@nk7z.net> Message-ID: Dave, Shortly after I got the K3 and well before the SP3 was introduced, I found a pair of Radio Shack Minimus speakers in black which have worked well with my K3. I picked them up at a 2nd hand store for $5, so keep your eyes open for small, efficient, unpowered "Hi-Fi" speakers at a bargain price. Pawn shops and 2nd hand stores often have things of that nature. Or use a pair of the SP3 speakers for a complete and matching K-Line station. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/24/2019 7:41 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: > Jim, > Have you found a good speaker for the K3?? If so, which one is it? > From k2asp at kanafi.org Sun Mar 24 20:20:43 2019 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 17:20:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <715396ef-be71-904a-50f2-da8dd15e5d85@foothill.net> References: <080d061b-72de-e879-2de3-8a189604f24b@metrocast.net> <5C9815C7.23548.2459092C@Gary.ka1j.com> <715396ef-be71-904a-50f2-da8dd15e5d85@foothill.net> Message-ID: On 3/24/2019 5:05 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Consider giving it/them to a new, hopefully young, ham with the > condition that when he/she is done with it, she/he finds a new, > hopefully young, ham to give it to.? Give it with a log, each recipient > enters their data, emails you, and passes it on with the log when > they're done with it.? I've done this with three pieces of ham gear I no > longer needed now, the longest trail so far is 4, all under 35.? Five > have contacted the Really Old Fart for guidance and advice for sources > of good information. Isn't this what good hamming is all about ??-- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 (Same call since June 1952) >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From k9yeq at live.com Sun Mar 24 20:30:08 2019 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 00:30:08 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> References: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> Message-ID: All band 160-440+ 6"x9x4" with built in tuner and portable internal supply @25-30 watts out?! I'll take two! Oh and your software and controls. I am sure you and wayne can do it! 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 7:15 PM To: Elecraft list Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 Inquiring minds want to know: What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? Eric elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From k2asp at kanafi.org Sun Mar 24 20:31:10 2019 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 17:31:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group In-Reply-To: <874A1D71-7347-4E36-B447-C729A458B241@w2xj.net> References: <874A1D71-7347-4E36-B447-C729A458B241@w2xj.net> Message-ID: On 3/24/2019 7:14 AM, W2xj wrote: > Nor do I but I think this group is excessively over moderated. If you think that, I can refer you to a hobby group about applying technology to railfanning where simple requests for set-up assistance (usually by a newbie) usually get a moderator's response "read the wiki" rather than a "how to do it". Nothing personal and sorry for the OT but I had t say it...... 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sun Mar 24 20:34:53 2019 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 17:34:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> Message-ID: I would like to see radical modularity. Having more than two receivers would allow diversity receive while monitoring other frequency(s). Separating the tuner from the radio would allow locating the tuner close to the antenna. Multiple tuners might be needed for widely separated antennas. Being able to select from multiple antennas to select the two diversity antennas and a possible third transmit antenna would be useful. One module that would be very useful would be a user-programmable command multiplexer which would allow users to develop their own control algorithms for the radio while also allowing several other RS-232 programs to control the radio. I've already posted about improvements in the P3 UI. I would love to sit around and brainstorm with others on this question. 73 Bill AE6JV On 3/24/19 at 5:14 PM, eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft) wrote: >Inquiring minds want to know: What would you all like to see as >a ?K4? ? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Re: Computer reliability, performance, and security: 408-356-8506 | The guy who *is* wearing a parachute is *not* the www.pwpconsult.com | first to reach the ground. - Terence Kelly From alorona at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 24 20:35:15 2019 From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 00:35:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens References: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> Thaddeus sits down at the rig. Today is the day Bouvet is supposed to come on the air, and thousands of hams around the world must be tuning around at this moment trying to be the first to work the DXpedition. He gets a feeling and tunes low in the band, turning the knob as if he were breaking into a safe. His intuition pays off: he hears a weak signal tuning up, and then... a callsign. It's Bouvet! Instant rush. Instant clammy hands. He reaches to tap the Split button on his fancy new rig's touch screen. He taps again. The screen does nothing. Oh no, not now, touch screen. Please recognize my finger... please! Bouvet turns it over, but nobody has heard them yet, so Bouvet calls again, and while Thaddeus is tapping frantically, time slows down, four seconds feel like four hours, and still the dim-witted screen does nothing as Thaddeus begins all the usual finger gymnastics that people do when they're trying to make their device understand that they in fact want it to do something. The radio sits there stupidly, the DX stops calling, and then the pileup mayhem begins. Thaddeus sits there, stupefied, wondering why those &#^+! engineers at Elecraft decided to put a $@_% touch screen on an otherwise perfectly good radio. For this reason, I will never buy a radio with a touch screen. Ain't gonna do it. So Elecraft, you've been put on notice. Thank you, Al? W6LX From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Mar 24 20:44:19 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 20:44:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <028c01d4e29b$2e708000$8b518000$@w2irt.net> References: <1553469439466-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <028c01d4e29b$2e708000$8b518000$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <0c2822ac-7e33-02f4-d8b0-80385838e107@embarqmail.com> Peter, If you want I/Q output, look at LP-Pan2 (www.telepostinc.com). It takes the K3S IF output and converts it to I/Q outputs which may be processed by your soundcard. Actually, I like the P3 display and integration better than that provide by the software applications that use I/Q outputs, but your software applications that you anticipate can provide a variety of displays from the I/Q outputs as well as demodulation of the received signal stream if that is what appeals to you. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/24/2019 7:42 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > Honestly, I'm happy with my K3s, but--and I've said this many times > before--I would gladly pay a premium for an I/Q out add-on board. Honestly, > that's the one "modern" feature this top-shelf radio is missing as far as > I'm concerned. > > - pjd > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On > Behalf Of John Stengrevics > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 7:39 PM > To: Michael Walker > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 > > Cardinal rule of business: New products, new products, new products. > > John > WA1EAZ > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From n7tb at comcast.net Sun Mar 24 20:45:44 2019 From: n7tb at comcast.net (Terry Brown) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 17:45:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 updated or K3S Question Message-ID: <85834A5D-4EDF-4D87-957C-11011B14F307@comcast.net> For the folks that have both a KX3 and KXPA100 and either a K3 updated or K3S, for CW operation, what have you found from a technical point of view are the advantages of the K3 or K3S over the KX3? I have almost bought an updated K3 several times, but as a CW operator I am not sure I can justify it. I also have the PX3 and love it and so I?d need a P3 as well. Would be nice to have 100 Watts in one box, but I also own a KX2 for QRP and use the KX3 line as my base station. The thing that might swing things is if the K3/K3s was technically a lot better for CW. I can?t convince myself that it is. Any Thoughts? Thanks 73, Terry N7TB From hbjr at optilink.us Sun Mar 24 20:45:58 2019 From: hbjr at optilink.us (HB) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 20:45:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> Message-ID: 160 ? 440 would be awesome! Satellite work in one box. An all mode 2m, 220, 440, 23cm rig would also be nice ? 100 watts. Hank K4HYJ From: Bill Johnson Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 8:30 PM To: Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft; Elecraft list Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 All band 160-440+ 6"x9x4" with built in tuner and portable internal supply @25-30 watts out?! I'll take two! Oh and your software and controls. I am sure you and wayne can do it! 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 7:15 PM To: Elecraft list Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 Inquiring minds want to know: What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? Eric elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From W2xj at w2xj.net Sun Mar 24 20:51:37 2019 From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 20:51:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens In-Reply-To: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> References: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0541430F-5FD0-4FCA-9FE2-7D4B80AF11FE@w2xj.net> I?ve been using touchscreens for 35 years. My experience is not what you describe. Actually it is very much the opposite. Mechanical switches are the least reliable. Sent from my iPad > On Mar 24, 2019, at 8:35 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > > Thaddeus sits down at the rig. Today is the day Bouvet is supposed to come on the air, and thousands of hams around the world must be tuning around at this moment trying to be the first to work the DXpedition. > > He gets a feeling and tunes low in the band, turning the knob as if he were breaking into a safe. His intuition pays off: he hears a weak signal tuning up, and then... a callsign. It's Bouvet! Instant rush. Instant clammy hands. He reaches to tap the Split button on his fancy new rig's touch screen. He taps again. The screen does nothing. Oh no, not now, touch screen. Please recognize my finger... please! Bouvet turns it over, but nobody has heard them yet, so Bouvet calls again, and while Thaddeus is tapping frantically, time slows down, four seconds feel like four hours, and still the dim-witted screen does nothing as Thaddeus begins all the usual finger gymnastics that people do when they're trying to make their device understand that they in fact want it to do something. The radio sits there stupidly, the DX stops calling, and then the pileup mayhem begins. Thaddeus sits there, stupefied, wondering why those &#^+! engineers at Elecraft decided to put a $@_% touch screen on an otherwise perfectly good radio. > > For this reason, I will never buy a radio with a touch screen. Ain't gonna do it. So Elecraft, you've been put on notice. > > Thank you, > > Al W6LX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From va3mw at portcredit.net Sun Mar 24 20:55:56 2019 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 20:55:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens In-Reply-To: <0541430F-5FD0-4FCA-9FE2-7D4B80AF11FE@w2xj.net> References: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> <0541430F-5FD0-4FCA-9FE2-7D4B80AF11FE@w2xj.net> Message-ID: I have used all sort of user interfaces. Knobs, mouse, keyboard, touch screens. They all work and do what they need to do. That being said, it comes down to what works for you. Mike va3mw On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 8:52 PM W2xj wrote: > I?ve been using touchscreens for 35 years. My experience is not what you > describe. Actually it is very much the opposite. Mechanical switches are > the least reliable. > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Mar 24, 2019, at 8:35 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > > > > Thaddeus sits down at the rig. Today is the day Bouvet is supposed to > come on the air, and thousands of hams around the world must be tuning > around at this moment trying to be the first to work the DXpedition. > > > > He gets a feeling and tunes low in the band, turning the knob as if he > were breaking into a safe. His intuition pays off: he hears a weak signal > tuning up, and then... a callsign. It's Bouvet! Instant rush. Instant > clammy hands. He reaches to tap the Split button on his fancy new rig's > touch screen. He taps again. The screen does nothing. Oh no, not now, touch > screen. Please recognize my finger... please! Bouvet turns it over, but > nobody has heard them yet, so Bouvet calls again, and while Thaddeus is > tapping frantically, time slows down, four seconds feel like four hours, > and still the dim-witted screen does nothing as Thaddeus begins all the > usual finger gymnastics that people do when they're trying to make their > device understand that they in fact want it to do something. The radio sits > there stupidly, the DX stops calling, and then the pileup mayhem begins. > Thaddeus sits there, stupefied, wondering why those &#^+! engineers at > Elecraft decided to put a $@_% touch screen on an otherwise perfectly good > radio. > > > > For this reason, I will never buy a radio with a touch screen. Ain't > gonna do it. So Elecraft, you've been put on notice. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Al W6LX > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From kevinr at coho.net Sun Mar 24 21:00:23 2019 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 18:00:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> References: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <643c2555-31a4-81a5-535c-34d4c74139a2@coho.net> Hi Eric, ?? I think one feature would be a built in single board computer.? One with enough horse power to run a Linux OS.? It needs a 1000 baseT connection to the outside world so it can act as another server on your home network.? The advantage being you could write all the necessary drivers from the radio to the network in house.? Then let independent developers write code which links between their code on the K4 and their code on your desktop. Since there are ever more digital modes Elecraft can be on the forefront by offering high level APIs for external development. Offloading some of the work from Elecraft's standard mix of MCUs would allow you more freedom to solve more problems. ?? Just a random thought while cooking, ????? 73,? Kevin.? KD5ONS _ On 3/24/19 5:14 PM, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote: > Inquiring minds want to know: > What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? > > Eric > elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From kevinr at coho.net Sun Mar 24 21:04:23 2019 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 18:04:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens In-Reply-To: References: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> <0541430F-5FD0-4FCA-9FE2-7D4B80AF11FE@w2xj.net> Message-ID: <940f303b-3d82-5ed0-fac0-8f5137bc83ad@coho.net> I like using a soldering iron and an assembler for my user interface.? They allow me to do low level coding :) ?? Kevin.? KD5ONS - On 3/24/19 5:55 PM, Michael Walker wrote: > I have used all sort of user interfaces. > > Knobs, mouse, keyboard, touch screens. They all work and do what they need > to do. > > That being said, it comes down to what works for you. > > Mike va3mw > > > On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 8:52 PM W2xj wrote: > >> I?ve been using touchscreens for 35 years. My experience is not what you >> describe. Actually it is very much the opposite. Mechanical switches are >> the least reliable. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Mar 24, 2019, at 8:35 PM, Al Lorona wrote: >>> >>> Thaddeus sits down at the rig. Today is the day Bouvet is supposed to >> come on the air, and thousands of hams around the world must be tuning >> around at this moment trying to be the first to work the DXpedition. >>> He gets a feeling and tunes low in the band, turning the knob as if he >> were breaking into a safe. His intuition pays off: he hears a weak signal >> tuning up, and then... a callsign. It's Bouvet! Instant rush. Instant >> clammy hands. He reaches to tap the Split button on his fancy new rig's >> touch screen. He taps again. The screen does nothing. Oh no, not now, touch >> screen. Please recognize my finger... please! Bouvet turns it over, but >> nobody has heard them yet, so Bouvet calls again, and while Thaddeus is >> tapping frantically, time slows down, four seconds feel like four hours, >> and still the dim-witted screen does nothing as Thaddeus begins all the >> usual finger gymnastics that people do when they're trying to make their >> device understand that they in fact want it to do something. The radio sits >> there stupidly, the DX stops calling, and then the pileup mayhem begins. >> Thaddeus sits there, stupefied, wondering why those &#^+! engineers at >> Elecraft decided to put a $@_% touch screen on an otherwise perfectly good >> radio. >>> For this reason, I will never buy a radio with a touch screen. Ain't >> gonna do it. So Elecraft, you've been put on notice. >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Al W6LX >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jboehner01 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 24 21:35:52 2019 From: jboehner01 at yahoo.com (James F. Boehner MD) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 21:35:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 Message-ID: <003701d4e2ab$15ee97f0$41cbc7d0$@yahoo.com> Hmmmmmm...... This is amazingly a very similar question once asked as to what we would like to see in a legal limit Elecraft amplifier.... And then suddenly, there was a KPA-1500! We'll all stay tuned! '73 de JIM N2ZZ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 8:15 PM To: Elecraft list Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 Inquiring minds want to know: What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? Eric elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From dave at nk7z.net Sun Mar 24 21:36:04 2019 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 18:36:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: <331D9FAF-FB17-4B06-95B8-DB420EC20084@charter.net> <785794710.535862.1553451290236@mymail.optimum.net> <9979a3db-2c24-5955-05b6-f0db1adc7531@nk7z.net> Message-ID: I should have seen that coming... :) 73s and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Technical Specialist ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL OOC for Oregon On 3/24/19 5:10 PM, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote: > SP3 :-) > > Eric > elecraft.com > --- > Sent from my iPhone 6S > > On Mar 24, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) > wrote: > >> Jim, >> Have you found a good speaker for the K3? ?If so, which one is it? >> >> 73s and thanks, >> Dave (NK7Z) From dave at nk7z.net Sun Mar 24 21:41:23 2019 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 18:41:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: <331D9FAF-FB17-4B06-95B8-DB420EC20084@charter.net> <785794710.535862.1553451290236@mymail.optimum.net> <9979a3db-2c24-5955-05b6-f0db1adc7531@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <1cc2f715-89a4-cde5-6fd3-07441f55a2ff@nk7z.net> I have a pair of those... Think I'll drag them out! Thanks! 73s and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Technical Specialist ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL OOC for Oregon On 3/24/19 5:16 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Dave, > > Shortly after I got the K3 and well before the SP3 was introduced, I > found a pair of Radio Shack Minimus speakers in black which have worked > well with my K3.? I picked them up at a 2nd hand store for $5, so keep > your eyes open for small, efficient, unpowered "Hi-Fi" speakers at a > bargain price.? Pawn shops and 2nd hand stores often have things of that > nature. > Or use a pair of the SP3 speakers for a complete and matching K-Line > station. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/24/2019 7:41 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: >> Jim, >> Have you found a good speaker for the K3?? If so, which one is it? >> From dave at nk7z.net Sun Mar 24 21:43:09 2019 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 18:43:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens In-Reply-To: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> References: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7f7db163-18d3-67ab-b358-6eeedd92bf16@nk7z.net> I suspect touch screens are just a fad for rigs... Imagine one in your moving car... 73s and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Technical Specialist ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL OOC for Oregon On 3/24/19 5:35 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > Thaddeus sits down at the rig. Today is the day Bouvet is supposed to come on the air, and thousands of hams around the world must be tuning around at this moment trying to be the first to work the DXpedition. > > He gets a feeling and tunes low in the band, turning the knob as if he were breaking into a safe. His intuition pays off: he hears a weak signal tuning up, and then... a callsign. It's Bouvet! Instant rush. Instant clammy hands. He reaches to tap the Split button on his fancy new rig's touch screen. He taps again. The screen does nothing. Oh no, not now, touch screen. Please recognize my finger... please! Bouvet turns it over, but nobody has heard them yet, so Bouvet calls again, and while Thaddeus is tapping frantically, time slows down, four seconds feel like four hours, and still the dim-witted screen does nothing as Thaddeus begins all the usual finger gymnastics that people do when they're trying to make their device understand that they in fact want it to do something. The radio sits there stupidly, the DX stops calling, and then the pileup mayhem begins. Thaddeus sits there, stupefied, wondering why those &#^+! engineers at Elecraft decided to put a $@_% touch screen on an otherwise perfectly good radio. > > For this reason, I will never buy a radio with a touch screen. Ain't gonna do it. So Elecraft, you've been put on notice. > > Thank you, > > Al? W6LX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From robertwschumacher at yahoo.com Sun Mar 24 21:46:32 2019 From: robertwschumacher at yahoo.com (Bob Schumacher) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 21:46:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? Message-ID: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> At Pacificon 2017 eighteen months ago, I pressed one of the Elecraft sales people very hard about a K4 introduction. He admitted that they are working on the K4, but would not say anything about timing or content/performance. Remember that Elecraft worked on the KPA1500 for 10+ years before it was introduced. It could easily be 5 years before we see a K4. In the meantime, the K3s line is still by far the best amateur radio system in the world from the perspective of combined performance, flexibility, and value. Why would you want a K4? For the eye candy and convenience of a big, full color, touch screen display? So that you can feel good about having an RF-sampled SDR that provides little to no improvement in real world, useable, performance? So you can brag about "Pure Signal" distortion compensated transmission? Because you want access to the receiver I and Q channels? I am tired of discussing a potential K4. If you need the best new station at the best value, buy a K3s line. I made that decision 12 months ago. I find it hard to lust after any other equipment now. W9DBR Sent from my iPhone From W2xj at w2xj.net Sun Mar 24 21:52:31 2019 From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 21:52:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens In-Reply-To: <7f7db163-18d3-67ab-b358-6eeedd92bf16@nk7z.net> References: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> <7f7db163-18d3-67ab-b358-6eeedd92bf16@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <11564F30-A81C-4EDB-900B-440BD68351BF@w2xj.net> Old news. They have existed for a while. Sent from my iPad > On Mar 24, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: > > I suspect touch screens are just a fad for rigs... Imagine one in your moving car... > > 73s and thanks, > Dave (NK7Z) > https://www.nk7z.net > ARRL Technical Specialist > ARRL Volunteer Examiner > ARRL OOC for Oregon > >> On 3/24/19 5:35 PM, Al Lorona wrote: >> Thaddeus sits down at the rig. Today is the day Bouvet is supposed to come on the air, and thousands of hams around the world must be tuning around at this moment trying to be the first to work the DXpedition. >> He gets a feeling and tunes low in the band, turning the knob as if he were breaking into a safe. His intuition pays off: he hears a weak signal tuning up, and then... a callsign. It's Bouvet! Instant rush. Instant clammy hands. He reaches to tap the Split button on his fancy new rig's touch screen. He taps again. The screen does nothing. Oh no, not now, touch screen. Please recognize my finger... please! Bouvet turns it over, but nobody has heard them yet, so Bouvet calls again, and while Thaddeus is tapping frantically, time slows down, four seconds feel like four hours, and still the dim-witted screen does nothing as Thaddeus begins all the usual finger gymnastics that people do when they're trying to make their device understand that they in fact want it to do something. The radio sits there stupidly, the DX stops calling, and then the pileup mayhem begins. Thaddeus sits there, stupefied, wondering why those &#^+! engineers at Elecraft decided to put a $@_% touch screen on an otherwise perfectly good radio. >> For this reason, I will never buy a radio with a touch screen. Ain't gonna do it. So Elecraft, you've been put on notice. >> Thank you, >> Al W6LX >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jim at jtmiller.com Sun Mar 24 21:54:54 2019 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 21:54:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens In-Reply-To: <11564F30-A81C-4EDB-900B-440BD68351BF@w2xj.net> References: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> <7f7db163-18d3-67ab-b358-6eeedd92bf16@nk7z.net> <11564F30-A81C-4EDB-900B-440BD68351BF@w2xj.net> Message-ID: Not in love with the one in my 2018 Camry. Very difficult to use while driving. I'm getting better at using voice as a result. jim ab3cv On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 9:52 PM W2xj wrote: > Old news. They have existed for a while. > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Mar 24, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: > > > > I suspect touch screens are just a fad for rigs... Imagine one in your > moving car... > > > > 73s and thanks, > > Dave (NK7Z) > > https://www.nk7z.net > > ARRL Technical Specialist > > ARRL Volunteer Examiner > > ARRL OOC for Oregon > > > >> On 3/24/19 5:35 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > >> Thaddeus sits down at the rig. Today is the day Bouvet is supposed to > come on the air, and thousands of hams around the world must be tuning > around at this moment trying to be the first to work the DXpedition. > >> He gets a feeling and tunes low in the band, turning the knob as if he > were breaking into a safe. His intuition pays off: he hears a weak signal > tuning up, and then... a callsign. It's Bouvet! Instant rush. Instant > clammy hands. He reaches to tap the Split button on his fancy new rig's > touch screen. He taps again. The screen does nothing. Oh no, not now, touch > screen. Please recognize my finger... please! Bouvet turns it over, but > nobody has heard them yet, so Bouvet calls again, and while Thaddeus is > tapping frantically, time slows down, four seconds feel like four hours, > and still the dim-witted screen does nothing as Thaddeus begins all the > usual finger gymnastics that people do when they're trying to make their > device understand that they in fact want it to do something. The radio sits > there stupidly, the DX stops calling, and then the pileup mayhem begins. > Thaddeus sits there, stupefied, wondering why those &#^+! engineers at > Elecraft decided to put a $@_% touch scree > n on an otherwise perfectly good radio. > >> For this reason, I will never buy a radio with a touch screen. Ain't > gonna do it. So Elecraft, you've been put on notice. > >> Thank you, > >> Al W6LX > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From macymonkeys at charter.net Sun Mar 24 22:06:27 2019 From: macymonkeys at charter.net (Macy monkeys) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 19:06:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens In-Reply-To: <11564F30-A81C-4EDB-900B-440BD68351BF@w2xj.net> References: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> <7f7db163-18d3-67ab-b358-6eeedd92bf16@nk7z.net> <11564F30-A81C-4EDB-900B-440BD68351BF@w2xj.net> Message-ID: <455BB18B-23A1-49AE-95B5-CDBABDF10A4E@charter.net> So much for tongue in cheek humor... ;) John K7FD > On Mar 24, 2019, at 6:52 PM, W2xj wrote: > > Old news. They have existed for a while. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Mar 24, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: >> >> I suspect touch screens are just a fad for rigs... Imagine one in your moving car... >> >> 73s and thanks, >> Dave (NK7Z) >> https://www.nk7z.net >> ARRL Technical Specialist >> ARRL Volunteer Examiner >> ARRL OOC for Oregon >> >>> On 3/24/19 5:35 PM, Al Lorona wrote: >>> Thaddeus sits down at the rig. Today is the day Bouvet is supposed to come on the air, and thousands of hams around the world must be tuning around at this moment trying to be the first to work the DXpedition. >>> He gets a feeling and tunes low in the band, turning the knob as if he were breaking into a safe. His intuition pays off: he hears a weak signal tuning up, and then... a callsign. It's Bouvet! Instant rush. Instant clammy hands. He reaches to tap the Split button on his fancy new rig's touch screen. He taps again. The screen does nothing. Oh no, not now, touch screen. Please recognize my finger... please! Bouvet turns it over, but nobody has heard them yet, so Bouvet calls again, and while Thaddeus is tapping frantically, time slows down, four seconds feel like four hours, and still the dim-witted screen does nothing as Thaddeus begins all the usual finger gymnastics that people do when they're trying to make their device understand that they in fact want it to do something. The radio sits there stupidly, the DX stops calling, and then the pileup mayhem begins. Thaddeus sits there, stupefied, wondering why those &#^+! engineers at Elecraft decided to put a $@_% touch scree > n on an otherwise perfectly good radio. >>> For this reason, I will never buy a radio with a touch screen. Ain't gonna do it. So Elecraft, you've been put on notice. >>> Thank you, >>> Al W6LX >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From edauer at law.du.edu Sun Mar 24 22:12:48 2019 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 02:12:48 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4? Message-ID: <81C77D47-A933-4641-983C-6475DEE57138@law.du.edu> Wow; there's a tantalizing post. I'll leave the important technical suggestions to others. Here's my list: 1. Seamless backwards compatibility with the KPA1500. Without it, I don't buy a K4. Likewise, though much less important, for the K-Pod. 2. Similar though not necessarily identical form factor to the K3 / K3s. Existing investments in shack design have been built around the current equipment. 3. Built-in remoting. Get rid of the RemoteRig dongles. 4. Whatever it takes, so far as possible, to make connecting any outboard computer to the rig unnecessary for any reason. 5. Upgrading from K3 to K4, as we had for upgrading from K3 to nearly K3s, would be nice but I wouldn't let it stand in the way of major design changes. 6. One tiny matter the absence of which has always just bugged me -- an internal contest QSO S/N counter for the internal memory CW keyer. 7. On-board panadapter. Touch-sensitive screen is not all that desirable. I much prefer soft keys. Keeps the PBJ off the screen. 8. A kit version, as much as feasible. Ted, KN1CBR _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 7:15 PM To: Elecraft list Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 Inquiring minds want to know: What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? Eric elecraft.com From kevinr at coho.net Sun Mar 24 22:17:30 2019 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 19:17:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report Message-ID: <697fb5bb-a9a2-428d-8209-1c7493638ec1@coho.net> Good Evening, ?? Twenty meters sounded like wind driven snow crossing the prairie.? Hissing with some whistling.? At least I couldn't feel the windchill.? Previous to the net I scanned and scanned and scanned finding only two CW signals between 14000 and 14060 kHz. But I was able to work one station during the net: K6XK whose K3 is his only communication device still working.? Even though his town is still above water any wired connection is not.? But he sounded happy exercising his Elecraft linear. ?? Forty meters was better but it had QSB with a few thunderstorms.? I was finally able to hear from Ken in North Dakota.? A slow snow melt would be best for him.? It's going to take quite some time for any fields to get planted on the Northern Plains. ? On 14050 kHz at 2200z: K6XK - Roy - IA ? On 7047.5 kHz at 0000z: K0DTJ - Brian - CA W6JHB - Jim - CA WM5F - Dwight - ID K6PJV - Dale - CA W0CZ - Ken - ND One of these days signal conditions will improve.? It will not change rapidly though.? But we do have a K4 to design and only have a few more years left to get it out the door :) ?? 73, ????? Kevin.? KD5ONS?? List member circa 2000. _ From barrylazar2 at gmail.com Sun Mar 24 22:18:35 2019 From: barrylazar2 at gmail.com (Barry) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 02:18:35 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4? In-Reply-To: <81C77D47-A933-4641-983C-6475DEE57138@law.du.edu> References: <81C77D47-A933-4641-983C-6475DEE57138@law.du.edu> Message-ID: I'm easy. All I want is the I&Q stream available on the back of the radio as it is on the KX3 while keeping the IF output. That opens up a number of options that I now use work arounds for. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Dauer, Edward" To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: 3/24/2019 10:12:48 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4? > Wow; there's a tantalizing post. > >I'll leave the important technical suggestions to others. Here's my list: > >1. Seamless backwards compatibility with the KPA1500. Without it, I don't buy a K4. Likewise, though much less important, for the K-Pod. > >2. Similar though not necessarily identical form factor to the K3 / K3s. Existing investments in shack design have been built around the current equipment. > >3. Built-in remoting. Get rid of the RemoteRig dongles. > >4. Whatever it takes, so far as possible, to make connecting any outboard computer to the rig unnecessary for any reason. > >5. Upgrading from K3 to K4, as we had for upgrading from K3 to nearly K3s, would be nice but I wouldn't let it stand in the way of major design changes. > >6. One tiny matter the absence of which has always just bugged me -- an internal contest QSO S/N counter for the internal memory CW keyer. > >7. On-board panadapter. Touch-sensitive screen is not all that desirable. I much prefer soft keys. Keeps the PBJ off the screen. > >8. A kit version, as much as feasible. > > >Ted, KN1CBR > > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 7:15 PM > To: Elecraft list > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 > > Inquiring minds want to know: > What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? > > Eric > elecraft.com > > > > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From merv.k9fd at gmail.com Sun Mar 24 22:37:40 2019 From: merv.k9fd at gmail.com (K9FD) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 16:37:40 -1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4? In-Reply-To: References: <81C77D47-A933-4641-983C-6475DEE57138@law.du.edu> Message-ID: <246d026f-7f64-c948-3577-44c51681f699@gmail.com> THe P3 is already a receiver,? all it needs is a board to bring the I/Q out to the world, How about Elecraft making a board for that purpose? Has been talked about before but have heard of nothing happening with the idea. Im sure there are many willing to invest in a board and what ever else it takes,? it would keep everything in the K3/P3 enclosures,? and eliminate all the hang on pieces that people use now. 73 Merv K9FD > I'm easy. All I want is the I&Q stream available on the back of the > radio as it is on the KX3 while keeping the IF output. That opens up a > number of options that I now use work arounds for. > > 73, > Barry > K3NDM > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Dauer, Edward" > To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" > Sent: 3/24/2019 10:12:48 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4? > >> ??? Wow; there's a tantalizing post. >> >> I'll leave the important technical suggestions to others. Here's my >> list: >> >> 1.? Seamless backwards compatibility with the KPA1500.? Without it, I >> don't buy a K4.? Likewise, though much less important, for the K-Pod. >> >> 2.? Similar though not necessarily identical form factor to the K3 / >> K3s.? Existing investments in shack design have been built around the >> current equipment. >> >> 3.? Built-in remoting.? Get rid of the RemoteRig dongles. >> >> 4.? Whatever it takes, so far as possible, to make connecting any >> outboard computer to the rig unnecessary for any reason. >> >> 5.? Upgrading from K3 to K4, as we had for upgrading from K3 to >> nearly K3s, would be nice but I wouldn't let it stand in the way of >> major design changes. >> >> 6.? One tiny matter the absence of which has always just bugged me -- >> an internal contest QSO S/N counter for the internal memory CW keyer. >> >> 7.? On-board panadapter.? Touch-sensitive screen is not all that >> desirable.? I much prefer soft keys.? Keeps the PBJ off the screen. >> >> 8.? A kit version, as much as feasible. >> >> >> Ted, KN1CBR >> >> >> ?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> >> ?From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net >> On Behalf Of Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - >> Elecraft >> ??? Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 7:15 PM >> ??? To: Elecraft list >> ??? Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 >> >> ??? Inquiring minds want to know: >> ??? What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? >> >> ??? Eric >> ??? elecraft.com >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From gerry at w1ve.com Sun Mar 24 22:42:10 2019 From: gerry at w1ve.com (Gerry Hull) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 22:42:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not discussed here is the fact that Elecraft is foremost a business. A first rule of business is don?t announce new products if you have current products to sell. Announcing a K4 while there are K3s to sell would kill K3s sales. That said, Elecraft would not remain in business if they were not innovating and working on new products. Loose lips sink ships. I?m happy to wait for new product announcements when they come. Bravo to all the Elecraft team for your quality in both product and business strategy. 73, Gerry W1VE On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 1:16 PM wrote: > Before I spend money on a K3S, I?m just curious.. is a K4 in the planning > stages? I bought my K3 and unpackaged it and just days later the K3S was > announced. I was livid.. LOL > > so.. what say Elecraft? > > Ronnie W5SUM > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Gerry Hull, W1VE Hancock, NH USA Member: ARRL, YCCC, YCCCN, CW Ops gerry at w1ve.com ph: 1-617-CW-SPARK (find me) From wa8jxm at gmail.com Sun Mar 24 22:45:47 2019 From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 22:45:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Bouvet In-Reply-To: <2192461e-865a-004a-06de-ea7f4e07372c@foothill.net> References: <1553376854962-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <6c989a04-01cb-51cf-f142-3c018cf98d9e@embarqmail.com> <8bb354b5-225d-78cb-d391-3279d0529149@gmail.com> <2192461e-865a-004a-06de-ea7f4e07372c@foothill.net> Message-ID: <525eae92-643c-3620-c7bc-8ddaac51c916@gmail.com> DXing has changed dramatically since the spotting networks arrived.? It used to be that people read the out of date QST DX column and tuned around the band. Ken WA8JXM On 3/23/19 10:17 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > The radio world has changed dramatically since DXCC was invented. I'm > really glad I don't have to make/update the rules. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Mar 24 22:54:40 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 19:54:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: <331D9FAF-FB17-4B06-95B8-DB420EC20084@charter.net> <785794710.535862.1553451290236@mymail.optimum.net> <9979a3db-2c24-5955-05b6-f0db1adc7531@nk7z.net> Message-ID: On 3/24/2019 4:41 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: > Have you found a good speaker for the K3?? If so, which one is it? For any serious operating, I always use headphones. Speakers are for casual monitoring. If I were to recommend a speaker, it would be: 1)for one with very smooth frequency response between 400 Hz and 5 kHz; 2) 4 ohm impedance; 3) a small diaphragm, and 4) high voltage sensitivity. Contrary to popular misconceptions, wider range response is not a bad thing.Smooth response in the speech region is important. 4 ohm impedance means it will receive more power from the K3. A smaller diaphragm provides smoother off-axis frequency response, high voltage sensitivity means it will be louder. BUT -- #3 and #4 are conflicting design specs -- smaller diaphragms have lower voltage sensitivity. I've used small hi-fi and pro loudspeakers and like the sound, but they burn too much space on my operating desk now that I have three video monitors (two P3s, and an extension of the computer's desktop). I replaced them with little black cubes a few inches that I bought as a box of 10 at a Chicago area hamfest about 15 years ago. They're plenty good enough for my needs. I also use them in the car for my dual-transceiver FM rig, strapped to the two posts on my headrest (two of them so that? I can tell which transceiver the audio is coming from). 73, Jim K9YC From kl7cw at mtaonline.net Sun Mar 24 22:56:48 2019 From: kl7cw at mtaonline.net (Frederick Dwight) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 18:56:48 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Filter Shape Factor Message-ID: <20190325025841012@smtp754.redcondor.net> Several times over the last 5 years INRAD has offered 700 Hz filters for the k3/K3S. For casual CW operation something like a BW of around 700 Hz is often just about ideal. I equipped my K3S with this filter and do use it from time to time. Something like a 400 Hz or 250 Hz filter is still required for very tough situations. The DSP filtering does such a good job with my 400 Hz or SSB filter, that I do not consider my 700 Hz filter a necessity, although some CW folks may still want to consider this. Probably something like the 500 Hz filter with the 3.1 shape factor would be a good alternate solution, however you may still want a sharp filter for very tough situations. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From joanpatrie at me.com Sun Mar 24 22:59:39 2019 From: joanpatrie at me.com (Joan) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 19:59:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 Message-ID: I don?t know about a future ?K4?, but I do know that when Wayne [et al] put your minds to designing a ?KX4?, you might ponder a high res (possibly colour) display which could be remapped at will in firmware updates and be capable of displaying a spectral waterfall and more than 7 characters of text copy (say, 80 perhaps? Like my QRPworks SideCar+ has, linked via RS232 to my KX2). I imagine what my KX-line radio would be like were the functionality of the SideKar bundled into it (to wit the 80-char display and USB/2.4GHz querty kbd connectivity). Oh, and a high res waterfall. I do wish my KX2 had quadrature output at times; however, I am aware of the compromises which had to be made to shrink it down (such as pin diode switching instead of MOS FET switching, etc), and as a portable CW operator I don?t miss the fancy stuff as much as some might. You were asking us to imagine the penultimate next Elecraft, however, so here were my two cents. The design refinements and attention to subtle detail already present in my current elegantly crafted radio make me happy every time I use it. Tnx ^_^ Excellent longform interview wid u two on Hamnation btw ! FB es tnx = 72 CUL etc de KX2CW .. ~Joan ?a Watt is a Lot? Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra, said Piglet. Shaka, when the walls fell, said Pooh. > On Mar 24, 2019, at 17:14, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote: > > Inquiring minds want to know: > What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? > > Eric > elecraft.com > > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Mar 24 23:11:07 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 20:11:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens In-Reply-To: References: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> <7f7db163-18d3-67ab-b358-6eeedd92bf16@nk7z.net> <11564F30-A81C-4EDB-900B-440BD68351BF@w2xj.net> Message-ID: <8475aae2-4696-5c9e-6caa-307942216f51@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 3/24/2019 6:54 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > I'm getting better at using voice as a result. You've GOT to watch the most recent Bill Maher show (3/22/19) for his short take on this! As I recall, it was in his New Rules segment. Excerpts and complete shows can often be found on youtube. 73, Jim K9YC From barrylazar2 at gmail.com Sun Mar 24 23:14:42 2019 From: barrylazar2 at gmail.com (Barry) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 03:14:42 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4? In-Reply-To: <246d026f-7f64-c948-3577-44c51681f699@gmail.com> References: <81C77D47-A933-4641-983C-6475DEE57138@law.du.edu> <246d026f-7f64-c948-3577-44c51681f699@gmail.com> Message-ID: Merv, I didn't mean using the P3 for I&Q data. I would prefer having it available from the K3S/K4. That would really cut down on the extra stuff. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "K9FD" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 3/24/2019 10:37:40 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4? >THe P3 is already a receiver, all it needs is a board to bring the I/Q out to the world, >How about Elecraft making a board for that purpose? >Has been talked about before but have heard of nothing happening with the idea. >Im sure there are many willing to invest in a board and what ever else it takes, it would >keep everything in the K3/P3 enclosures, and eliminate all the hang on pieces that people >use now. > >73 Merv K9FD > >>I'm easy. All I want is the I&Q stream available on the back of the radio as it is on the KX3 while keeping the IF output. That opens up a number of options that I now use work arounds for. >> >>73, >>Barry >>K3NDM >> >>------ Original Message ------ >>From: "Dauer, Edward" >>To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" >>Sent: 3/24/2019 10:12:48 PM >>Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4? >> >>> Wow; there's a tantalizing post. >>> >>>I'll leave the important technical suggestions to others. Here's my list: >>> >>>1. Seamless backwards compatibility with the KPA1500. Without it, I don't buy a K4. Likewise, though much less important, for the K-Pod. >>> >>>2. Similar though not necessarily identical form factor to the K3 / K3s. Existing investments in shack design have been built around the current equipment. >>> >>>3. Built-in remoting. Get rid of the RemoteRig dongles. >>> >>>4. Whatever it takes, so far as possible, to make connecting any outboard computer to the rig unnecessary for any reason. >>> >>>5. Upgrading from K3 to K4, as we had for upgrading from K3 to nearly K3s, would be nice but I wouldn't let it stand in the way of major design changes. >>> >>>6. One tiny matter the absence of which has always just bugged me -- an internal contest QSO S/N counter for the internal memory CW keyer. >>> >>>7. On-board panadapter. Touch-sensitive screen is not all that desirable. I much prefer soft keys. Keeps the PBJ off the screen. >>> >>>8. A kit version, as much as feasible. >>> >>> >>>Ted, KN1CBR >>> >>> >>> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >>> >>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft >>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 7:15 PM >>> To: Elecraft list >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 >>> >>> Inquiring minds want to know: >>> What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? >>> >>> Eric >>> elecraft.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>______________________________________________________________ >>>Elecraft mailing list >>>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >>______________________________________________________________ >>Elecraft mailing list >>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From nr4c at widomaker.com Sun Mar 24 23:18:14 2019 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 23:18:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens In-Reply-To: <8475aae2-4696-5c9e-6caa-307942216f51@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> <7f7db163-18d3-67ab-b358-6eeedd92bf16@nk7z.net> <11564F30-A81C-4EDB-900B-440BD68351BF@w2xj.net> <8475aae2-4696-5c9e-6caa-307942216f51@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <04E13145-5BC8-43BE-8A7F-F563C737A53E@widomaker.com> Touch screens have their place. My next HF rig may well have a touch screen. My mobile prob not. Sent from my iPhone via a ?touch screen?! ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 24, 2019, at 11:11 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On 3/24/2019 6:54 PM, Jim Miller wrote: >> I'm getting better at using voice as a result. > > You've GOT to watch the most recent Bill Maher show (3/22/19) for his short take on this! As I recall, it was in his New Rules segment. Excerpts and complete shows can often be found on youtube. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From ve3nr at bell.net Sun Mar 24 23:22:40 2019 From: ve3nr at bell.net (Bert) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 23:22:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens In-Reply-To: <7f7db163-18d3-67ab-b358-6eeedd92bf16@nk7z.net> References: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> <7f7db163-18d3-67ab-b358-6eeedd92bf16@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <18be242e-8295-a91d-54ea-b81143ed130b@bell.net> You shouldn't be playing with your radio while driving anyway!! Bert VE3NR On 3/24/2019 9:43 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: > I suspect touch screens are just a fad for rigs...? Imagine one in > your moving car... > > 73s and thanks, > Dave (NK7Z) > https://www.nk7z.net > ARRL Technical Specialist > ARRL Volunteer Examiner > ARRL OOC for Oregon > > On 3/24/19 5:35 PM, Al Lorona wrote: >> Thaddeus sits down at the rig. Today is the day Bouvet is supposed to >> come on the air, and thousands of hams around the world must be >> tuning around at this moment trying to be the first to work the >> DXpedition. >> >> He gets a feeling and tunes low in the band, turning the knob as if >> he were breaking into a safe. His intuition pays off: he hears a weak >> signal tuning up, and then... a callsign. It's Bouvet! Instant rush. >> Instant clammy hands. He reaches to tap the Split button on his fancy >> new rig's touch screen. He taps again. The screen does nothing. Oh >> no, not now, touch screen. Please recognize my finger... please! >> Bouvet turns it over, but nobody has heard them yet, so Bouvet calls >> again, and while Thaddeus is tapping frantically, time slows down, >> four seconds feel like four hours, and still the dim-witted screen >> does nothing as Thaddeus begins all the usual finger gymnastics that >> people do when they're trying to make their device understand that >> they in fact want it to do something. The radio sits there stupidly, >> the DX stops calling, and then the pileup mayhem begins. Thaddeus >> sits there, stupefied, wondering why those &#^+! engineers at >> Elecraft decided to put a $@_% touch screen on an otherwise perfectly >> good radio. >> >> For this reason, I will never buy a radio with a touch screen. Ain't >> gonna do it. So Elecraft, you've been put on notice. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Al? W6LX >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From w7hd.rh at gmail.com Sun Mar 24 23:29:19 2019 From: w7hd.rh at gmail.com (w7hd.rh) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 20:29:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K4/KX4 Features Message-ID: <980d11cc-cb50-170b-6e49-37b2f1b27348@gmail.com> [1] I would like to see a large color touch-screen such as that on the FT-991A.? It works flawlessly and is easy to navigate. [2] Add 2M and 440 5W all-modes as optional features (yes, I would pay extra to get BOTH at the same time).? This would also be desirable for a KX4 :-) [3] Provide IF output for use by SDR receivers. [4] Both speaker out and line out levels by selection or separate.? Also for a KX4. [5] USB only radio control and audio, such as in the FT-991A (yes I have one). -- Ron W7HD - NAQCC#7587 OMISS#9898 KX3#6966 LinuxUser#415320 Editor OVARC newsletter From johnn1jm at gmail.com Sun Mar 24 23:38:10 2019 From: johnn1jm at gmail.com (John_N1JM) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 20:38:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> It would hard to improve on the K3s's performance in a similar size package. I would not want touch screen and a spectrum scope would probably increase the size. A good thing to have would be predistotion to improve tx IMD. John N1JM Elecraft mailing list wrote > At Pacificon 2017 eighteen months ago, I pressed one of the Elecraft sales > people very hard about a K4 introduction. He admitted that they are > working on the K4, but would not say anything about timing or > content/performance. > > Remember that Elecraft worked on the KPA1500 for 10+ years before it was > introduced. It could easily be 5 years before we see a K4. > > In the meantime, the K3s line is still by far the best amateur radio > system in the world from the perspective of combined performance, > flexibility, and value. Why would you want a K4? For the eye candy and > convenience of a big, full color, touch screen display? So that you can > feel good about having an RF-sampled SDR that provides little to no > improvement in real world, useable, performance? > So you can brag about "Pure Signal" distortion compensated transmission? > Because you want access to the receiver I and Q channels? > > I am tired of discussing a potential K4. If you need the best new station > at the best value, buy a K3s line. I made that decision 12 months ago. > I find it hard to lust after any other equipment now. > > > W9DBR > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: > Elecraft at .qth > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From mrkgnthr at yahoo.com Sun Mar 24 23:58:25 2019 From: mrkgnthr at yahoo.com (mrkgnthr at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 20:58:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <85580C9B-69D6-4DEE-B831-D5BEC99546BE@yahoo.com> I keep seeing all the desires for a big color screen. I have seen too many of these color screens that have burn in and failure. I like my nice yellow screen that is always readable, and if damaged can be replaced for less than the cost of a new radio. I like a radio that I can pick up and carry without straining my back. I like the separate modules that can be upgraded. The price was a little steep, but every time I turn it on I smile and know it was worth it Mark. WB7TLK Sent from my iPad > On Mar 24, 2019, at 20:38, John_N1JM wrote: > > This message has no content. From josh at voodoolab.com Mon Mar 25 00:06:52 2019 From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 21:06:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens In-Reply-To: <7f7db163-18d3-67ab-b358-6eeedd92bf16@nk7z.net> References: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> <7f7db163-18d3-67ab-b358-6eeedd92bf16@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <999BF339-53AC-4CF9-9D33-C938E46B6123@voodoolab.com> I have an aftermarket Pioneer stereo in my car with a large touchscreen interface. It works very well and I can?t imagine how you could control a device with its level of functionality without it. 73 Josh W6XU Sent from my (touchscreen) mobile device > On Mar 24, 2019, at 6:43 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: > > I suspect touch screens are just a fad for rigs... Imagine one in your moving car... From hs0zed at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 01:08:32 2019 From: hs0zed at gmail.com (Martin Sole) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 12:08:32 +0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> References: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Well since you asked and made this sort of official, here's a few things, though in no particular order of merit: Integrated 7? (or bigger) panadaptor with touch screen. ?Proper? band stacking registers. Equal sized vfo knobs for A and B. Individual mode buttons. AGC, NB, NR all with front panel controls adjustable on the fly. More digital mode integration, built in FT8 with up-gradable software as digi modes develop. Integrated PSU for 100-250 Vac. 50V minimum PA. Ground Breaking earth shattering TX IMD. Using the built in touch screen full descriptive menu. Bigger rotary controls with more space. RF performance equal to or better than best of the best. Modular design with bare bones to fully loaded capability. PA options from 10 to 500 watts fully integrated with ATU (KPA500/KAT500). I/Q output. Proper base station radio without concern for portability (K3S is already the leader there). More extensive API giving ability to do literally everything the radio can do from a computer. Removeable head so the base radio can be remoted and the control head used from where you need to be. More ?And?, less ?Either or? (Mic/Line selection level etc). Martin, HS0ZED On 25/03/2019 07:14, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote: > Inquiring minds want to know: > What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? > > Eric > elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 01:12:50 2019 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 07:12:50 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> References: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> Message-ID: 1. A bitmapped display, so that it could be updated with the software, and would support soft keys. 2. A touch screen. Whether to go this way is a hard call. Many operators hate them. But given that there are many good reasons to keep the same form factor, it gets harder and harder to cram all the functionality into the small space available. A touch screen could completely reconfigure itself when you change modes. There is the possibility of providing a configuration utility that would let the operator develop his/her own screens. I would never have to look at the XFIL button again. We could get rid of the touch/hold interface, which is still error-prone for me after decades. 3. A bus/backplane architecture. It would permit almost total hardware upgradeability. The current K3 goes in this direction, but not far enough. But use gold pins. 4. The CW Pitch adjustment should not produce a tone, but should let you hear normal signals. 5. NB/NR performance could be improved over the K3/K3S. (I haven't tried the KX3/KX2). 6. Please do NOT build in firmware functionality for modes like FT8. On the other hand, a bus/backplane arrangement could allow the operator to plug in a single board Windows or Linux computer that could be used for external software for digital modes or logging or countless other things. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO CWops no. 5 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 25 Mar 2019 02:14, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote: > Inquiring minds want to know: > What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? > > Eric > elecraft.com From hs0zed at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 01:30:43 2019 From: hs0zed at gmail.com (Martin Sole) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 12:30:43 +0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <3e716ae8-30d5-26c7-eb7a-803c0a96420b@gmail.com> How many can they sell is probably a big question. I would suggest there are 3 main groups of amateur radio buyers: 1. Will always buy the newest greatest Elecraft (Kool Aid guys) 2. Already have a K3(S) whatever, fully loaded, good enough, not looking to buy new. 3. Wouldn't buy K3S because... Group one will already sign up for it, probably pre-ordering as is the Elecraft way. Elecraft only has to change the badge for this group. Group two are not going to buy, at least some anyway, others may be convinced to move from group two if there is enough of a differential with existing products. Group three is the probably the primary target and to do this it needs to be a product that does what previous products have not, to some greater or lesser degree. With a fully flexible, up-gradable, architecture such a product needs to start at a price where it looks attractive against similar spec competition. A premium added for its ability to be turned into a top tier radio. At the high end for the fully loaded gold plated edition I thing nobody has gone there yet. FT9000/IC7851/Flex6700M/Hilberling? really they only were bigger fatter radios $15k seems possible. Martin,HS0ZED From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Mon Mar 25 06:04:09 2019 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 06:04:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens Message-ID: I have a touch screen on my 7300 and REALLY like it!!? I have found that for more accuracy, the use of a stylus makes life very easy. Further, the world operates on touch screens - just look at all the driver distractions provided by the "info centers" in modern automobiles and using "smart" phones. For radios, you can stick with multi-layered rotary switches if you wish, however, I will opt for menus and touch screens. Bill W2BLC From cx7tt at 4email.net Mon Mar 25 06:40:04 2019 From: cx7tt at 4email.net (cx7tt at 4email.net) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 05:40:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] test Message-ID: <0eb4dd28-17f5-7785-c361-762d3cee9631@4email.net> test From wrmoore47 at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 07:00:51 2019 From: wrmoore47 at gmail.com (Randy Moore) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 06:00:51 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Elecraft K3/P3, KX3/PX3, KX2+accessories Message-ID: I am helping Craig, NM4T, in selling some of his Elecraft gear. He is dealing with a very serious illness. Below I will list what is available and Craig's asking price, along with links to some pictures and short videos. Payment can be by cashier's check, PayPal or personal check (shipment after check clears). Shipping charges will be actual cost by USPS Priority Mail, from 35811. Please direct any inquires to me at wrmoore [at] gmail [.] com. Craig's gear is pristine. It is all 100% functional. Everything except the P3 is perfect cosmetically, while the P3 has some scratches (see pictures) on the right side (viewed from the front) of the case. Internal options are not available separately. Tnx es 73, Randy, KS4L ==================================================================== K3/100 (basic K3 was factory assembled, internal options added later) including: Filters: 6.0 KHz, 2.8 KHz, 1.0 KHz, 400 Hz, 250 Hz KTCX03-1 KAT3 KDVR3 KXV3A Heil Hand Mic KUSB Power Cable (not shown in the photos) Note: this K3 has not had any K3S upgrades Sold separately $2500 + shipping (see below the P3 for price bundled with the P3) Images: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0o9dwxp1urd52zu/AACmOTqoeein9HyHunszvMGua?dl=0 P3 (Factory assembled) (No options installed) $490 + shipping sold separately Images: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/16qn9ozec62jstc/AAD0QzBfxo5L-dyzHViCHRlxa?dl=0 K3 + P3 sold together $2750 + shipping _____________________________________________________________________ KX3 KXAT3 KXFL3 KXBC3 Heatsink (third-party) Sold separately from PX3 below $1120 Images: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3wdtr0rfhw6ntdh/AACXSeJucwEMNP4ysuBsyDMGa?dl=0 PX3 $475 + shipping sold separately KX3 + PX3 $1480 + shipping __________________________________________________________________________ KX2 KXAT2 KXIO2 KXPD2 Lowepro FastPack 100 backpack $890 + shipping Images: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/isc2xh89kphi2yf/AAA6gY-MUK4PlwBQXiKMrefra?dl=0 QRPWorks KeyLogGo $150 + shipping If sold with KX2 $140 + shipping QRPWorks SideKarPlus w/wireless keyboard (mounting brackets for KX2 are missing) $215 + shipping If sold with KX2 $200 + shipping ================================================================= From wa2si at arrl.net Mon Mar 25 07:19:49 2019 From: wa2si at arrl.net (Bert Craig) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 07:19:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7625ad22-83a1-4006-a8cd-48726bc5cd7b.maildroid@localhost> I'm in the same boat with a "slush fund" specifically created for a loaded CW-optimized K3S. However, two factors keep me from pulling the trigger on that purchase. The main subject re. the possibility of a K4 and the fact that my K2/100 performs so darn well. Additionally, I personally find the amber display a tad tough on these old eyes. As minor as it sounds, I might have purchased a new K3S last year upon fund maturity had a green display been an option. I purchased A Yaesu FT-991A for VHF/UHF SSB work some months ago. On HF, the K2/100 still "cleans it's clock!" One time, I tried to locate a DX station spotted on the cluster but couldn't hear it. Removed the PL-259 from the FT-991A and moved it directly over to the K2/100 and voil?, there it was. Weak but readable, and subsequently wrkd. Not too shabby for an almost-20 yr. old rig. Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI From jstengrevics at comcast.net Mon Mar 25 07:30:27 2019 From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 07:30:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <80010D15-5FA4-4987-9F5F-18BCAB23FA02@comcast.net> I would add to that: Significantly improved noise blanking and noise reduction. John WA1EAZ > On Mar 25, 2019, at 1:08 AM, Martin Sole wrote: > > Well since you asked and made this sort of official, here's a few things, though in no particular order of merit: > > Integrated 7? (or bigger) panadaptor with touch screen. > > ?Proper? band stacking registers. > > Equal sized vfo knobs for A and B. > > Individual mode buttons. > > AGC, NB, NR all with front panel controls adjustable on the fly. > > More digital mode integration, built in FT8 with up-gradable software as digi modes develop. > > Integrated PSU for 100-250 Vac. > > 50V minimum PA. > > Ground Breaking earth shattering TX IMD. > > Using the built in touch screen full descriptive menu. > > Bigger rotary controls with more space. > > RF performance equal to or better than best of the best. > > Modular design with bare bones to fully loaded capability. > > PA options from 10 to 500 watts fully integrated with ATU (KPA500/KAT500). > > I/Q output. > > Proper base station radio without concern for portability (K3S is already the leader there). > > More extensive API giving ability to do literally everything the radio can do from a computer. > > Removeable head so the base radio can be remoted and the control head used from where you need to be. > > More ?And?, less ?Either or? (Mic/Line selection level etc). > > > Martin, HS0ZED > > > > > On 25/03/2019 07:14, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote: >> Inquiring minds want to know: >> What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? >> >> Eric >> elecraft.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From Andy at rickham.net Mon Mar 25 07:33:17 2019 From: Andy at rickham.net (Andy McMullin) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 11:33:17 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <80010D15-5FA4-4987-9F5F-18BCAB23FA02@comcast.net> References: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> <80010D15-5FA4-4987-9F5F-18BCAB23FA02@comcast.net> Message-ID: <23A00AEB-6114-4F0C-B4F2-70F4CA8ECEA2@rickham.net> And my little add ? VHF/UHF Andy G8TQH > On 25 Mar 2019, at 11:30, John Stengrevics wrote: > > I would add to that: Significantly improved noise blanking and noise reduction. > > John > WA1EAZ > >> On Mar 25, 2019, at 1:08 AM, Martin Sole wrote: >> >> Well since you asked and made this sort of official, here's a few things, though in no particular order of merit: >> >> Integrated 7? (or bigger) panadaptor with touch screen. >> >> ?Proper? band stacking registers. >> >> Equal sized vfo knobs for A and B. >> >> Individual mode buttons. >> >> AGC, NB, NR all with front panel controls adjustable on the fly. >> >> More digital mode integration, built in FT8 with up-gradable software as digi modes develop. >> >> Integrated PSU for 100-250 Vac. >> >> 50V minimum PA. >> >> Ground Breaking earth shattering TX IMD. >> >> Using the built in touch screen full descriptive menu. >> >> Bigger rotary controls with more space. >> >> RF performance equal to or better than best of the best. >> >> Modular design with bare bones to fully loaded capability. >> >> PA options from 10 to 500 watts fully integrated with ATU (KPA500/KAT500). >> >> I/Q output. >> >> Proper base station radio without concern for portability (K3S is already the leader there). >> >> More extensive API giving ability to do literally everything the radio can do from a computer. >> >> Removeable head so the base radio can be remoted and the control head used from where you need to be. >> >> More ?And?, less ?Either or? (Mic/Line selection level etc). >> >> >> Martin, HS0ZED >> >> >> >> >> On 25/03/2019 07:14, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote: >>> Inquiring minds want to know: >>> What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? >>> >>> Eric >>> elecraft.com >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From hdv at kpnplanet.nl Mon Mar 25 07:44:29 2019 From: hdv at kpnplanet.nl (hdv) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 12:44:29 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <23A00AEB-6114-4F0C-B4F2-70F4CA8ECEA2@rickham.net> Message-ID: My addition:Better/autonomous RS232/USB "broadcasting" of settings. (with menu selection of catagories)Looping of DVR messages with amount or time control73 HenkPA0CVerzonden vanaf mijn Samsung Galaxy-smartphone. -------- Oorspronkelijk bericht --------Van: Andy McMullin Datum: 25-03-19 12:33 (GMT+01:00) Aan: John Stengrevics Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net, Martin Sole Onderwerp: Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 And my little add ? VHF/UHFAndyG8TQH> On 25 Mar 2019, at 11:30, John Stengrevics wrote:> > I would add to that:? Significantly improved noise blanking and noise reduction.> > John> WA1EAZ> >> On Mar 25, 2019, at 1:08 AM, Martin Sole wrote:>> >> Well since you asked and made this sort of official, here's a few things, though in no particular order of merit:>> >> Integrated 7? (or bigger) panadaptor with touch screen.>> >> ?Proper? band stacking registers.>> >> Equal sized vfo knobs for A and B.>> >> Individual mode buttons.>> >> AGC, NB, NR all with front panel controls adjustable on the fly.>> >> More digital mode integration, built in FT8 with up-gradable software as digi modes develop.>> >> Integrated PSU for 100-250 Vac.>> >> 50V minimum PA.>> >> Ground Breaking earth shattering TX IMD.>> >> Using the built in touch screen full descriptive menu.>> >> Bigger rotary controls with more space.>> >> RF performance equal to or better than best of the best.>> >> Modular design with bare bones to fully loaded capability.>> >> PA options from 10 to 500 watts fully integrated with ATU (KPA500/KAT500).>> >> I/Q output.>> >> Proper base station radio without concern for portability (K3S is already the leader there).>> >> More extensive API giving ability to do literally everything the radio can do from a computer.>> >> Removeable head so the base radio can be remoted and the control head used from where you need to be.>> >> More ?And?, less ?Either or? (Mic/Line selection level etc).>> >> >> Martin, HS0ZED>> >> >> >> >> On 25/03/2019 07:14, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote:>>> Inquiring minds want to know:>>> What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ?>>> >>> Eric>>> elecraft.com>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________>>> Elecraft mailing list>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html>> >> ______________________________________________________________>> Elecraft mailing list>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> > ______________________________________________________________> Elecraft mailing list> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From mike.ab3ap at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 07:59:25 2019 From: mike.ab3ap at gmail.com (Mike Markowski) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 07:59:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Eric, On the computer side of things, how about: 1. Ethernet, socket-based communication with rig. Imagine AUTO INFO replies direct to IP/port! No more clashing programs. 2. Everything controllable by commands (like RF gain). 3. Info directly gettable. E.g., no need to 'decode' display. 4. State directly settable. No need to emulate series of button pushes. 5. Pixel based display can convey much info when used with care. (Graphs, block diagram showing what is affected by a control. Things like, but better & more compact than, my old K2DSP code: http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/k2filter/ ) 73, Mike ab3ap On 25/03/2019 07:14, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote: > > Inquiring minds want to know: > > What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? > > > > Eric > > elecraft.com > > From skavanagh72 at yahoo.ca Mon Mar 25 08:10:59 2019 From: skavanagh72 at yahoo.ca (Steve Kavanagh) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 12:10:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K4? Or K2S? References: <1075056241.10912900.1553515859684.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1075056241.10912900.1553515859684@mail.yahoo.com> If Elecraft had a rig that was an update to the K2 (same size box with no jacks on the sides, and all in one box unlike the KX3+KXPA100) with the following features, I'd be interested. I find the form factor of the K2 ideal for a rig that wears many different hats in the shack and portable. (1) 6 metres included at 100 W level in the single box (2) 100 watt capability at ~50% duty cycle all day, suitable for RTTY, FT8, MSK144, etc. (optional external fan?) (3) More reliable headphone jack (4) Eliminate the nasty stray-RF sensitivity of the XV60 transmit output (simple firmware or hardware mods would do it) (5) USB control and audio interface Other desirable features (in no particular order) would be (6) tuning knob without the sharp edges and with a dimple (7) reduced audio hiss at CW bandwidths, without sacrificing bandwidth on SSB and digital modes (8) DSP filtering of some sort (no longer available for the K2) (9) QRP or 100 watt versions available as now (10) support for a few more transverter bands than the K2 (11) optional internal transverters for 2m (and higher?) in the QRP top (12) more strip-proof threads when changing tops. (13) improved phase noise (I have had no issues but some European VHFers find it too high with transverters) (14) GPS option for high frequency accuracy, perhaps with 10 MHz output for transverters, and time output for computer (15) general coverage receive (16) AM (at least receiving) and FM capability (17) Eliminate the strong 10m birdie from the KPA100 HV supply It would be good to keep many characteristics of the K2, such as (15) low power consumption (16) wide power supply voltage range (17) reasonably good receiver strong signal performance without spending the money needed to be state-of-the-art (18) keyer speed knob on front panel (19) configurable with options as each user requires Kind of somewhere between an IC-7300 and a TS-590SG as far as ham-band capabilities are concerned but with the flexible configuration of the K2 and properly Elecraft-style thought-out details like no transmit spikes, proper timing of transmissions versus amp/transverter key output, etc. And much cheaper than the K3S (somehow!). 73, Steve VE3SMA From gordon at sensciosystems.com Mon Mar 25 08:25:39 2019 From: gordon at sensciosystems.com (Gordon LaPoint) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 08:25:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> References: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <3ba5f213-5217-930b-2962-7012f49474e3@gmail.com> I would love an SDR (I have an ANAN-10e) with a front panel and the software for the computer, best of both worlds.? I have an Apache Labs ANAN-7000 DLE Mk2 (without computer) on order, but would love to replace that with the K4, that is full SDR with dual ADC's like the ANAN-7000. I have a K2(10Watt) and a K3 (updated, but not USB module), KPA/KAP 500 combo and will keep all of the Elecraft equipment. I love the bandscope that I can click on with the mouse and tune the radio to a signal, the K4 needs a band scope on the computer screen when used with a computer! PureSignal on TX is now a must, get ahead of everyone, except the Apache Labs radios. Better noise reduction, (even the ANAN-10e has better) CW as good as the K3, or better. That is a good start, lets see what others come up with. Gordon - N1MGO? (long time K3 user) On 3/24/19 8:14 PM, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote: > Inquiring minds want to know: > What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? > > Eric > elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Gordon - N1MGO From rich at wc3t.us Mon Mar 25 08:37:28 2019 From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 08:37:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> Message-ID: "integrated FT8" will never happen. If I'm not mistaken, FT8 is open source and incorporating that software with its licensing requirements could expose Elecraft to all sorts of exposure; as their software is NOT open-source. At least I believe I read that somewhere. That's my belief. Sort of the same reason HRD or other licensed, closed-source apps do not incorporate FT8 or any of those derivatives into their software. They simply can't. On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 1:08 AM Martin Sole wrote: > Well since you asked and made this sort of official, here's a few > things, though in no particular order of merit: > > Integrated 7? (or bigger) panadaptor with touch screen. > > ?Proper? band stacking registers. > > Equal sized vfo knobs for A and B. > > Individual mode buttons. > > AGC, NB, NR all with front panel controls adjustable on the fly. > > More digital mode integration, built in FT8 with up-gradable software as > digi modes develop. > > Integrated PSU for 100-250 Vac. > > 50V minimum PA. > > Ground Breaking earth shattering TX IMD. > > Using the built in touch screen full descriptive menu. > > Bigger rotary controls with more space. > > RF performance equal to or better than best of the best. > > Modular design with bare bones to fully loaded capability. > > PA options from 10 to 500 watts fully integrated with ATU (KPA500/KAT500). > > I/Q output. > > Proper base station radio without concern for portability (K3S is > already the leader there). > > More extensive API giving ability to do literally everything the radio > can do from a computer. > > Removeable head so the base radio can be remoted and the control head > used from where you need to be. > > More ?And?, less ?Either or? (Mic/Line selection level etc). > > > Martin, HS0ZED > > > > > On 25/03/2019 07:14, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote: > > Inquiring minds want to know: > > What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? > > > > Eric > > elecraft.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- 72, Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737 Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: *FN20is* From mbaileycrna at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 09:15:17 2019 From: mbaileycrna at gmail.com (Morgan Bailey) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 09:15:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> Message-ID: SO2R with out ground loop problems ..or Rock solid SO2R solution...for k3s or other radios. I have the MK2R+ and I want a better solution. On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 01:08 Martin Sole wrote: > Well since you asked and made this sort of official, here's a few > things, though in no particular order of merit: > > Integrated 7? (or bigger) panadaptor with touch screen. > > ?Proper? band stacking registers. > > Equal sized vfo knobs for A and B. > > Individual mode buttons. > > AGC, NB, NR all with front panel controls adjustable on the fly. > > More digital mode integration, built in FT8 with up-gradable software as > digi modes develop. > > Integrated PSU for 100-250 Vac. > > 50V minimum PA. > > Ground Breaking earth shattering TX IMD. > > Using the built in touch screen full descriptive menu. > > Bigger rotary controls with more space. > > RF performance equal to or better than best of the best. > > Modular design with bare bones to fully loaded capability. > > PA options from 10 to 500 watts fully integrated with ATU (KPA500/KAT500). > > I/Q output. > > Proper base station radio without concern for portability (K3S is > already the leader there). > > More extensive API giving ability to do literally everything the radio > can do from a computer. > > Removeable head so the base radio can be remoted and the control head > used from where you need to be. > > More ?And?, less ?Either or? (Mic/Line selection level etc). > > > Martin, HS0ZED > > > > > On 25/03/2019 07:14, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote: > > Inquiring minds want to know: > > What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? > > > > Eric > > elecraft.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From n8vz at qth.com Mon Mar 25 09:49:38 2019 From: n8vz at qth.com (=?utf-8?Q?Carl_J=C3=B3n_Denbow?=) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 09:49:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? Or K2S? In-Reply-To: <1075056241.10912900.1553515859684@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1075056241.10912900.1553515859684.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1075056241.10912900.1553515859684@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <35A277CA-A246-4EE8-B5A9-14F5696C9D8C@qth.com> Steve, Some good thoughts. I would add an internal sound card for ease of digital mode setup. 73, Carl Sent from my iPhone =========================== Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 carl at n8vz.com www.n8vz.com EM89wh IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 PSK and JT65 Forever! =========================== > On Mar 25, 2019, at 8:10 AM, Steve Kavanagh via Elecraft wrote: > > If Elecraft had a rig that was an update to the K2 (same size box with no jacks on the sides, and all in one box unlike the KX3+KXPA100) with the following features, I'd be interested. I find the form factor of the K2 ideal for a rig that wears many different hats in the shack and portable. > > (1) 6 metres included at 100 W level in the single box > (2) 100 watt capability at ~50% duty cycle all day, suitable for RTTY, FT8, MSK144, etc. (optional external fan?) > (3) More reliable headphone jack > (4) Eliminate the nasty stray-RF sensitivity of the XV60 transmit output (simple firmware or hardware mods would do it) > (5) USB control and audio interface > > Other desirable features (in no particular order) would be > > (6) tuning knob without the sharp edges and with a dimple > (7) reduced audio hiss at CW bandwidths, without sacrificing bandwidth on SSB and digital modes > (8) DSP filtering of some sort (no longer available for the K2) > (9) QRP or 100 watt versions available as now > (10) support for a few more transverter bands than the K2 > (11) optional internal transverters for 2m (and higher?) in the QRP top > (12) more strip-proof threads when changing tops. > (13) improved phase noise (I have had no issues but some European VHFers find it too high with transverters) > (14) GPS option for high frequency accuracy, perhaps with 10 MHz output for transverters, and time output for computer > (15) general coverage receive > (16) AM (at least receiving) and FM capability > (17) Eliminate the strong 10m birdie from the KPA100 HV supply > > It would be good to keep many characteristics of the K2, such as > > (15) low power consumption > (16) wide power supply voltage range > (17) reasonably good receiver strong signal performance without spending the money needed to be state-of-the-art > (18) keyer speed knob on front panel > (19) configurable with options as each user requires > > Kind of somewhere between an IC-7300 and a TS-590SG as far as ham-band capabilities are concerned but with the flexible configuration of the K2 and properly Elecraft-style thought-out details like no transmit spikes, proper timing of transmissions versus amp/transverter key output, etc. And much cheaper than the K3S (somehow!). > > 73, > Steve VE3SMA > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From billamader at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 09:51:55 2019 From: billamader at gmail.com (K8TE) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 06:51:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1553521915930-0.post@n2.nabble.com> I will visit a friend to operate his station again for the CQ WW WPX SSB Contest this coming weekend. We use these opportunities to motivate and train new contesters. His main rig is an IC-7610. I will bring my KPA1500 to substitute for his 600 Watt amplifier and tuner since neither provides the kind of integration the K-Line can. I greatly prefer operating my K3/P3 over the IC-7610! The P3 is a far better panadaptor than the IC-7610's! The K3's user interface is much simpler and more effective to operate than the IC-7610's. BTW, this his the second IC-7610 in my friend's shack as the first failed 46+ times during last November's ARRL SS-SSB Contest (we may have missed counting some). Icom had the radio for several weeks and found no trouble. I give them credit for replacing it after the November debacle, no questions asked. The replacement didn't fail during the ARRL DX-SSB Contest in February. The K4, when it comes, I assert, will not be about aesthetics, but performance and features serious hams want. If you haven't been paying attention, a significant number of those hams have replaced their K3S radios with the Flex 6700. Their feature set and performance have set a standard the K4 will need to excede. I am confident it will. The K3S is definitely NOT "dated" with regard to performance. Check out Rob Sherwood's, NC0B, receiver performance listing: http://www.sherweng.com/table.html. The K3S is #2 for transceivers with the upgraded K3 immediately behind it. Elecraft's challenge is to provide a significant improvement in performance which depends upon both hardware and engineering. That is more difficult than ever before. The K3 was a game-changer. I suspect we won't see a K4 until it too can change the game. I am amused by some of the Luddite comments regarding touch screens and computer interfacing. Yes, the K3S is an awesome stand-alone rig and the K-Line abely performs without a computer in sight. However, most of us have progressed from contesting and DX'ing using paper and pen. Don't use a computer if you don't want, but don't knock the many advantages a computer in the shack provides. After all, it is 2019. Read your equipment manuals, get KE7X's books, and see what else you can do with your Elecraft gear. Most of all, have fun. I recall watching the KPA1500 poster go up on the wall at the IDXC in Visalia. I look forward to seeing the K4 poster there or in Xenia! After all, it's just my kids' inheritance I'm spending and enjoying. 73, Bill, K8TE -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From rmcgraw at blomand.net Mon Mar 25 09:54:59 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 08:54:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <2434b664-bcf2-2ca0-a629-a76ef4352311@blomand.net> The K3S receiver performance and RX audio are outstanding. For a K4........I'd like to see transmit IMD in the -50 dB range. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/24/2019 10:38 PM, John_N1JM wrote: > It would hard to improve on the K3s's performance in a similar size package. > I would not want touch screen and a spectrum scope would probably increase > the size. A good thing to have would be predistotion to improve tx IMD. > > John N1JM > > From dave at nk7z.net Mon Mar 25 10:05:56 2019 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 07:05:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: <331D9FAF-FB17-4B06-95B8-DB420EC20084@charter.net> <785794710.535862.1553451290236@mymail.optimum.net> <9979a3db-2c24-5955-05b6-f0db1adc7531@nk7z.net> Message-ID: Hi Jim, Thanks for the detailed response! 73s and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Technical Specialist ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL OOC for Oregon On 3/24/19 7:54 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On 3/24/2019 4:41 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: >> Have you found a good speaker for the K3?? If so, which one is it? > > For any serious operating, I always use headphones. Speakers are for > casual monitoring. If I were to recommend a speaker, it would be: 1)for > one with very smooth frequency response between 400 Hz and 5 kHz; 2) 4 > ohm impedance; 3) a small diaphragm, and 4) high voltage sensitivity. > > Contrary to popular misconceptions, wider range response is not a bad > thing.Smooth response in the speech region is important. 4 ohm impedance > means it will receive more power from the K3. A smaller diaphragm > provides smoother off-axis frequency response, high voltage sensitivity > means it will be louder. BUT -- #3 and #4 are conflicting design specs > -- smaller diaphragms have lower voltage sensitivity. > > I've used small hi-fi and pro loudspeakers and like the sound, but they > burn too much space on my operating desk now that I have three video > monitors (two P3s, and an extension of the computer's desktop). I > replaced them with little black cubes a few inches that I bought as a > box of 10 at a Chicago area hamfest about 15 years ago. They're plenty > good enough for my needs. I also use them in the car for my > dual-transceiver FM rig, strapped to the two posts on my headrest (two > of them so that? I can tell which transceiver the audio is coming from). > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From dave at nk7z.net Mon Mar 25 10:10:51 2019 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 07:10:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Put a web server in the K4, and control it that way via IP... Also put in JSON for radio status, and add some IP based controls for everything. 73s and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Technical Specialist ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL OOC for Oregon On 3/25/19 4:59 AM, Mike Markowski wrote: > Eric, > > On the computer side of things, how about: > > 1. Ethernet, socket-based communication with rig. Imagine AUTO INFO > replies direct to IP/port! No more clashing programs. > 2. Everything controllable by commands (like RF gain). > 3. Info directly gettable. E.g., no need to 'decode' display. > 4. State directly settable. No need to emulate series of button pushes. > 5. Pixel based display can convey much info when used with care. (Graphs, > block diagram showing what is affected by a control. Things like, but > better & more compact than, my old K2DSP code: > http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/k2filter/ ) > > 73, > Mike ab3ap > > On 25/03/2019 07:14, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote: >>> Inquiring minds want to know: >>> What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? >>> >>> Eric >>> elecraft.com >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From phystad at mac.com Mon Mar 25 10:25:17 2019 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 07:25:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <2434b664-bcf2-2ca0-a629-a76ef4352311@blomand.net> References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <2434b664-bcf2-2ca0-a629-a76ef4352311@blomand.net> Message-ID: <8F13DDA7-DF0F-475C-B2D4-66611F89B94D@mac.com> On the idea of a K4... I have not bought a K3S. I have not upgraded my K3 with features included in the K3S. And, I find myself using my KX3 and KX2 more than my K3. The K3 is a keeper though, no reason to sell. But, I also have no reason to buy any other rigs. I am sure a K4, if ever produced would be a great radio but more likely my grandchildren would make more use of it then I would. One grandson is studying for his Technician License so far (age 12). 73, phil, K7PEH > On Mar 25, 2019, at 6:54 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > > The K3S receiver performance and RX audio are outstanding. > > For a K4........I'd like to see transmit IMD in the -50 dB range. > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > > On 3/24/2019 10:38 PM, John_N1JM wrote: >> It would hard to improve on the K3s's performance in a similar size package. >> I would not want touch screen and a spectrum scope would probably increase >> the size. A good thing to have would be predistotion to improve tx IMD. >> >> John N1JM >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From wunder at wunderwood.org Mon Mar 25 10:34:43 2019 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 09:34:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> Message-ID: > On Mar 25, 2019, at 9:10 AM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: > > Also put in JSON for radio status, Yes, that would be lovely. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) From rmcgraw at blomand.net Mon Mar 25 10:44:36 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 09:44:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <8F13DDA7-DF0F-475C-B2D4-66611F89B94D@mac.com> References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <2434b664-bcf2-2ca0-a629-a76ef4352311@blomand.net> <8F13DDA7-DF0F-475C-B2D4-66611F89B94D@mac.com> Message-ID: <4afe1189-1f89-6632-12d7-91a1f1454554@blomand.net> With all of the wonderful ideas and features advanced for a K4, I find one thing which has been seemingly omitted.??? PRICE!??? Yep, hams want radios with all the features whistle band bells along with alleged performance.............. in the $1000 price range. Look at the volume of sales of radios in this price range.?? A large majority of hams today do not have $3500 to $6500 to invest in a radio.?? Yes I know the technology, engineering investment and cost to produce is a major component of price.? But still, hams want inexpensive radios.?? It may not be feasible to produce a product in the $1000 price range, but ICOM, Kenwood and Yaesu seem to think so. ICOM IC-7300 = $979;? Yaesu FT 991A = $1100;? Kenwood TS-590SG = $1200;? Yaesu FT-DX3000 = $ 1300;? Kenwood TS-480HX = $1000 Yes I know these are not in the performance league of the current K3S, but these are what is on the air, in mass, today. 73 Bob, K4TAX Very happy with my: K3S, KPA500, KAT500 and P3 From tom.parish at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 10:47:47 2019 From: tom.parish at gmail.com (Tom Parish) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 09:47:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Loaded - sold In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you. On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 3:08 PM Tom Parish wrote: > I recently upgraded my rig so it?s best I let this wonderfully engineered > device go for economic reasons. > > > Selling the entire package. > > > KX2 80-10 M SSB/CW/DATA Transceiver > > MH3 (mic) > > KXAT2 (Antenna (Tuner) > > KXBT2 (Lithium Battery) > > KXBT2 (Lithium Battery) 2nd spare > > KXBC2 (Lithium Battery Charger) > > KXIO1 (Real Time Clock) > KXPD2_Precision Keyer Paddle > > > ES60 Compact Padded Carrying Case (Larger) > > > KXAT2 Internal, Wide-Range 20-W Antenna Tuner > > USB cable and various cable connectors > > > I am the original owner. The radio has been in a smoke free environment > and is in very good condition. > > > $1050 shipped with insurance - CONUS only. > > > Email me directly Tom.Parish at gmail.com will send pics or video. > > > Tom KB5RF > > Austin TX 78704 > > -- > > Inspire Curiosity Together > TomParish.com > 512- > 497-5046 > > -- Inspire Curiosity Together TomParish.com 512- 497-5046 From W2xj at w2xj.net Mon Mar 25 10:54:15 2019 From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 10:54:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <7DB9185A-A9B3-4119-A9A5-BBB5CFBC12C8@w2xj.net> This would be well suited for the use of SNMP. Sent from my iPad > On Mar 25, 2019, at 7:59 AM, Mike Markowski wrote: > > Eric, > > On the computer side of things, how about: > > 1. Ethernet, socket-based communication with rig. Imagine AUTO INFO > replies direct to IP/port! No more clashing programs. > 2. Everything controllable by commands (like RF gain). > 3. Info directly gettable. E.g., no need to 'decode' display. > 4. State directly settable. No need to emulate series of button pushes. > 5. Pixel based display can convey much info when used with care. (Graphs, > block diagram showing what is affected by a control. Things like, but > better & more compact than, my old K2DSP code: > http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/k2filter/ ) > > 73, > Mike ab3ap > > On 25/03/2019 07:14, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote: >>> Inquiring minds want to know: >>> What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? >>> >>> Eric >>> elecraft.com >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From doug at kj0f.com Mon Mar 25 10:59:35 2019 From: doug at kj0f.com (Doug Person) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 09:59:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens In-Reply-To: References: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> <0541430F-5FD0-4FCA-9FE2-7D4B80AF11FE@w2xj.net> Message-ID: I've designed and developed all sorts of user interfaces. Some touch and some not. A touch screen has several huge advantages: 1.) it can be updated. When a better approach for a particular function is determined - a firmware update can be performed to change the user interface. 2.) When an optional board is added (VHF/UHF, inboard-tuner, etc), the user interface can be changed to accommodate it. 3.) Several configurations can be stored. For ex. a configuration for contesting, one for normal ops, satellite,? digital modes, etc. The idea is that the display can be configured for each individual's preference. A 7" touch screen is a blank canvas. Firmware changes can add or remove anything. Buttons and switches are a one time implementation. I understand how some people find touch screens annoying. I've seen a lot of bad designs and they give touch screens a bad reputation. But a well-designed screen can be just as good or even superior to rows of buttons and switches. Doug -- KJ0F On 3/24/2019 7:55 PM, Michael Walker wrote: > I have used all sort of user interfaces. > > Knobs, mouse, keyboard, touch screens. They all work and do what they need > to do. > > That being said, it comes down to what works for you. > > Mike va3mw > > > On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 8:52 PM W2xj wrote: > >> I?ve been using touchscreens for 35 years. My experience is not what you >> describe. Actually it is very much the opposite. Mechanical switches are >> the least reliable. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Mar 24, 2019, at 8:35 PM, Al Lorona wrote: >>> >>> Thaddeus sits down at the rig. Today is the day Bouvet is supposed to >> come on the air, and thousands of hams around the world must be tuning >> around at this moment trying to be the first to work the DXpedition. >>> He gets a feeling and tunes low in the band, turning the knob as if he >> were breaking into a safe. His intuition pays off: he hears a weak signal >> tuning up, and then... a callsign. It's Bouvet! Instant rush. Instant >> clammy hands. He reaches to tap the Split button on his fancy new rig's >> touch screen. He taps again. The screen does nothing. Oh no, not now, touch >> screen. Please recognize my finger... please! Bouvet turns it over, but >> nobody has heard them yet, so Bouvet calls again, and while Thaddeus is >> tapping frantically, time slows down, four seconds feel like four hours, >> and still the dim-witted screen does nothing as Thaddeus begins all the >> usual finger gymnastics that people do when they're trying to make their >> device understand that they in fact want it to do something. The radio sits >> there stupidly, the DX stops calling, and then the pileup mayhem begins. >> Thaddeus sits there, stupefied, wondering why those &#^+! engineers at >> Elecraft decided to put a $@_% touch screen on an otherwise perfectly good >> radio. >>> For this reason, I will never buy a radio with a touch screen. Ain't >> gonna do it. So Elecraft, you've been put on notice. >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Al W6LX >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- 73 de Doug -- KJ0F From doug at kj0f.com Mon Mar 25 11:13:36 2019 From: doug at kj0f.com (Doug Person) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 10:13:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> References: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <90771df0-8bf0-a537-5209-6a67c063ed1c@kj0f.com> 1.) The K3s and P3 combined in one box. 1.) A 7" touch screen with spectrum display, fully configurable for operations and with access to setup menu. 2.) The hybrid analog/digital technology of the K3s. It's so good as it is I would hate to see it change. 3.) Options for 4 meters, 2 meters and 70cm that would make it possible to operate satellites with appropriate external PAs and preamps 4.) Optional built-in server for direct remote access via internet (No connection to am external PC required for remote access). 5.) Optional 200 watt PA with 200 watt ATU Doug -- KJ0F On 3/24/2019 7:14 PM, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote: > Inquiring minds want to know: > What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? > > Eric > elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- 73 de Doug -- KJ0F From wrmoore47 at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 11:16:30 2019 From: wrmoore47 at gmail.com (Randy Moore) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 10:16:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3/P3, KX3/PX3, KX2+accessories Message-ID: Sorry if this shows up twice. I'm having some email problems... I am helping Craig, NM4T, in selling some of his Elecraft gear. He is dealing with a very serious illness. Below I will list what is available and Craig's asking price, along with links to some pictures and short videos. Payment can be by cashier's check, PayPal or personal check (shipment after check clears). Shipping charges will be actual cost by USPS Priority Mail, from 35811. Please direct any inquires to me at wrmoore [at] gmail [.] com. Craig's gear is pristine. It is all 100% functional. Everything except the P3 is perfect cosmetically, while the P3 has some scratches (see pictures) on the right side (viewed from the front) of the case. Internal options are not available separately. Tnx es 73, Randy, KS4L ==================================================================== K3/100 (basic K3 was factory assembled, internal options added later) including: Filters: 6.0 KHz, 2.8 KHz, 1.0 KHz, 400 Hz, 250 Hz KTCX03-1 KAT3 KDVR3 KXV3A Heil Hand Mic KUSB Power Cable (not shown in the photos) Note: this K3 has not had any K3S upgrades Sold separately $2500 + shipping (see below the P3 for price bundled with the P3) Images: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0o9dwxp1urd52zu/AACmOTqoeein9HyHunszvMGua?dl=0 P3 (Factory assembled) (No options installed) $490 + shipping sold separately Images: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/16qn9ozec62jstc/AAD0QzBfxo5L-dyzHViCHRlxa?dl=0 K3 + P3 sold together $2750 + shipping _____________________________________________________________________ KX3 KXAT3 KXFL3 KXBC3 Heatsink (third-party) Sold separately from PX3 below $1120 Images: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3wdtr0rfhw6ntdh/AACXSeJucwEMNP4ysuBsyDMGa?dl=0 PX3 $475 + shipping sold separately KX3 + PX3 $1480 + shipping __________________________________________________________________________ KX2 KXAT2 KXIO2 KXPD2 Lowepro FastPack 100 backpack $890 + shipping Images: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/isc2xh89kphi2yf/AAA6gY-MUK4PlwBQXiKMrefra?dl=0 QRPWorks KeyLogGo $150 + shipping If sold with KX2 $140 + shipping QRPWorks SideKarPlus w/wireless keyboard (mounting brackets for KX2 are missing) $215 + shipping If sold with KX2 $200 + shipping ================================================================= From buddy at brannan.name Mon Mar 25 11:18:27 2019 From: buddy at brannan.name (Buddy Brannan) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 11:18:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens In-Reply-To: References: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> <0541430F-5FD0-4FCA-9FE2-7D4B80AF11FE@w2xj.net> Message-ID: While those are certainly advantages, there are several disadvantages. Number 1 on my personal hit parade: they aren?t tactile. You have to look at them to operate them. Which means, for you, another distraction. For me, it means extra support (think VoiceOver on iOS, Talkback on Android, VoiceView on the Amazon Fire things). So far, none of the ham radio manufacturers has implemented anything like that, and so touch screen interfaces on a lot of stuff are out of my reach, as it were. Of course, knobs and switches and buttons have the advantage of being able to be manipulated without having to see where they are. Pretty helpfulwhen you have to look at other things instead. Then there?s the matter of all the fingerprints?which, along with the problem of operating with gloves that are not specifically designed to work with capacitive touch screens, can be solved by use of a stylus. Still, a disadvantage, and yet another thing to remember to not leave behind. > On Mar 25, 2019, at 10:59 AM, Doug Person wrote: > > I've designed and developed all sorts of user interfaces. Some touch and some not. A touch screen has several huge advantages: > > 1.) it can be updated. When a better approach for a particular function is determined - a firmware update can be performed to change the user interface. > > 2.) When an optional board is added (VHF/UHF, inboard-tuner, etc), the user interface can be changed to accommodate it. > > 3.) Several configurations can be stored. For ex. a configuration for contesting, one for normal ops, satellite, digital modes, etc. The idea is that the display can be configured for each individual's preference. > > A 7" touch screen is a blank canvas. Firmware changes can add or remove anything. Buttons and switches are a one time implementation. > > I understand how some people find touch screens annoying. I've seen a lot of bad designs and they give touch screens a bad reputation. But a well-designed screen can be just as good or even superior to rows of buttons and switches. > > Doug -- KJ0F > > On 3/24/2019 7:55 PM, Michael Walker wrote: >> I have used all sort of user interfaces. >> >> Knobs, mouse, keyboard, touch screens. They all work and do what they need >> to do. >> >> That being said, it comes down to what works for you. >> >> Mike va3mw >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 8:52 PM W2xj wrote: >> >>> I?ve been using touchscreens for 35 years. My experience is not what you >>> describe. Actually it is very much the opposite. Mechanical switches are >>> the least reliable. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Mar 24, 2019, at 8:35 PM, Al Lorona wrote: >>>> >>>> Thaddeus sits down at the rig. Today is the day Bouvet is supposed to >>> come on the air, and thousands of hams around the world must be tuning >>> around at this moment trying to be the first to work the DXpedition. >>>> He gets a feeling and tunes low in the band, turning the knob as if he >>> were breaking into a safe. His intuition pays off: he hears a weak signal >>> tuning up, and then... a callsign. It's Bouvet! Instant rush. Instant >>> clammy hands. He reaches to tap the Split button on his fancy new rig's >>> touch screen. He taps again. The screen does nothing. Oh no, not now, touch >>> screen. Please recognize my finger... please! Bouvet turns it over, but >>> nobody has heard them yet, so Bouvet calls again, and while Thaddeus is >>> tapping frantically, time slows down, four seconds feel like four hours, >>> and still the dim-witted screen does nothing as Thaddeus begins all the >>> usual finger gymnastics that people do when they're trying to make their >>> device understand that they in fact want it to do something. The radio sits >>> there stupidly, the DX stops calling, and then the pileup mayhem begins. >>> Thaddeus sits there, stupefied, wondering why those &#^+! engineers at >>> Elecraft decided to put a $@_% touch screen on an otherwise perfectly good >>> radio. >>>> For this reason, I will never buy a radio with a touch screen. Ain't >>> gonna do it. So Elecraft, you've been put on notice. >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> Al W6LX >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > -- > 73 de Doug -- KJ0F > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Email: buddy at brannan.name Mobile: (814) 431-0962 From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Mar 25 11:29:21 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 11:29:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <4afe1189-1f89-6632-12d7-91a1f1454554@blomand.net> References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <2434b664-bcf2-2ca0-a629-a76ef4352311@blomand.net> <8F13DDA7-DF0F-475C-B2D4-66611F89B94D@mac.com> <4afe1189-1f89-6632-12d7-91a1f1454554@blomand.net> Message-ID: <3232e9df-6280-8514-38ae-b7b68b25b6f4@embarqmail.com> Bob and all, Based on that thinking, it may be that Elecraft could produce an SMD version of the K2 in that price class - call it the "K2S". Yes, it would not be a full kit like the current K2, but would solve a lot of problems that are encountered with the disappearing of Thru-hole components from the marketplace. The current K2 design even though 20 years old still has a competitive receiver (see the Sherwood RX listing), and many hams appreciate the fully analog design - which could be ported to SMD with board layout design but not the basic analog circuitry. Using black paint would differentiate it from the current gray K2. A K2S with a built-in KSB2, KNB2, KAF2, K60XV and K160RX plus KIO2 and KAT2, but with an added IF output for connection for the P3 (or other IF based panadapter devices like LP-Pan) to the might be a seller in the low price marketplace and could be offered as a QRP transceiver. The existing KPA100 and KAT100 could work with it, and could still be offered as amplifier and ATU thru-hole solder your own kits. Of course, the counter to that argument is that the KX3 already provides that same capability for a price in the range that you mentioned and a lot more function. The only "gotcha" is that it is only 15 watts, but the KXPA100 and KXAT100 adds 100 watt and ATU capability while retaining the portability. This is pure speculation on my part (prompted by Bob's post), I do not know of any plans to do the things I have mentioned. Elecraft seems to remain committed to providing a full "solder your own" kit for those who want to actually solder the parts in place, and my suggestion of a "K2S" would run counter to that commitment, although the KPA100 amplifier and KAT100 ATU could remain "build your own". 73, Don W3FPR On 3/25/2019 10:44 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > With all of the wonderful ideas and features advanced for a K4, I find > one thing which has been seemingly omitted.??? PRICE!??? Yep, hams want > radios with all the features whistle band bells along with alleged > performance.............. in the $1000 price range. Look at the volume > of sales of radios in this price range.?? A large majority of hams today > do not have $3500 to $6500 to invest in a radio.?? Yes I know the > technology, engineering investment and cost to produce is a major > component of price.? But still, hams want inexpensive radios.?? It may > not be feasible to produce a product in the $1000 price range, but ICOM, > Kenwood and Yaesu seem to think so. > > ICOM IC-7300 = $979;? Yaesu FT 991A = $1100;? Kenwood TS-590SG = $1200; > Yaesu FT-DX3000 = $ 1300;? Kenwood TS-480HX = $1000 > > Yes I know these are not in the performance league of the current K3S, > but these are what is on the air, in mass, today. > From jamesgood at charter.net Mon Mar 25 11:33:16 2019 From: jamesgood at charter.net (James Good) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 10:33:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? Or K2S? In-Reply-To: <1075056241.10912900.1553515859684@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1075056241.10912900.1553515859684.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1075056241.10912900.1553515859684@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1af49523-7ca9-0480-22c1-1084d8cda1a5@charter.net> My personal thoughts on this one item are in-line and marked with * at the beginning of the line. And thank you to the reflector for allowing the 'wish list' to grow as it is. James Good KD5VXH On 3/25/19 7:10 AM, Steve Kavanagh via Elecraft wrote: > If Elecraft had a rig that was an update to the K2 (same size box with no jacks on the sides, and all in one box unlike the KX3+KXPA100) with the following features, I'd be interested. I find the form factor of the K2 ideal for a rig that wears many different hats in the shack and portable. > > (1) 6 metres included at 100 W level in the single box > (2) 100 watt capability at ~50% duty cycle all day, suitable for RTTY, FT8, MSK144, etc. (optional external fan?) > (3) More reliable headphone jack > (4) Eliminate the nasty stray-RF sensitivity of the XV60 transmit output (simple firmware or hardware mods would do it) > (5) USB control and audio interface > > Other desirable features (in no particular order) would be > > (6) tuning knob without the sharp edges and with a dimple > (7) reduced audio hiss at CW bandwidths, without sacrificing bandwidth on SSB and digital modes > (8) DSP filtering of some sort (no longer available for the K2) > (9) QRP or 100 watt versions available as now > *(10) support for a few more transverter bands than the K2external transverters to 23 cm > (11) optional internal transverters for 2m (and higher?) in the QRP top > (12) more strip-proof threads when changing tops. > (13) improved phase noise (I have had no issues but some European VHFers find it too high with transverters) > (14) GPS option for high frequency accuracy, perhaps with 10 MHz output for transverters, and time output for computer > (15) general coverage receive > *(16) AMBOTH TRANSMITTING AND RECEIVING (at least receiving) and FM capability > (17) Eliminate the strong 10m birdie from the KPA100 HV supply > > It would be good to keep many characteristics of the K2, such as > > (15) low power consumption > (16) wide power supply voltage range > (17) reasonably good receiver strong signal performance without spending the money needed to be state-of-the-art > (18) keyer speed knob on front panel > (19) configurable with options as each user requires > > Kind of somewhere between an IC-7300 and a TS-590SG as far as ham-band capabilities are concerned but with the flexible configuration of the K2 and properly Elecraft-style thought-out details like no transmit spikes, proper timing of transmissions versus amp/transverter key output, etc. And much cheaper than the K3S (somehow!). > > 73, > Steve VE3SMA > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From doug at kj0f.com Mon Mar 25 11:44:01 2019 From: doug at kj0f.com (Doug Person) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 10:44:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens In-Reply-To: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> References: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <29dfecf4-04a4-4cfa-86fa-858ba7ffb3f7@kj0f.com> You assume that touch screens are inherently unreliable. Try to convince and F22 pilot of that, or a 777 gunnery crew. There is so much military hardware that is dependent on touch screens that your argument just doesn't hold up. This technology is decades old now. You may find some poorly designed stuff that is unreliable. But, its due to poor design - both physically and in software. Hopefully, if there is a touch screen K4, the K3s will stay around for those that prefer buttons and switches. Doug -- KJ0F On 3/24/2019 7:35 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > Thaddeus sits down at the rig. Today is the day Bouvet is supposed to come on the air, and thousands of hams around the world must be tuning around at this moment trying to be the first to work the DXpedition. > > He gets a feeling and tunes low in the band, turning the knob as if he were breaking into a safe. His intuition pays off: he hears a weak signal tuning up, and then... a callsign. It's Bouvet! Instant rush. Instant clammy hands. He reaches to tap the Split button on his fancy new rig's touch screen. He taps again. The screen does nothing. Oh no, not now, touch screen. Please recognize my finger... please! Bouvet turns it over, but nobody has heard them yet, so Bouvet calls again, and while Thaddeus is tapping frantically, time slows down, four seconds feel like four hours, and still the dim-witted screen does nothing as Thaddeus begins all the usual finger gymnastics that people do when they're trying to make their device understand that they in fact want it to do something. The radio sits there stupidly, the DX stops calling, and then the pileup mayhem begins. Thaddeus sits there, stupefied, wondering why those &#^+! engineers at Elecraft decided to put a $@_% touch screen on an otherwise perfectly good radio. > > For this reason, I will never buy a radio with a touch screen. Ain't gonna do it. So Elecraft, you've been put on notice. > > Thank you, > > Al? W6LX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- 73 de Doug -- KJ0F From ka9p at aol.com Mon Mar 25 11:47:19 2019 From: ka9p at aol.com (Scott McDonald) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 15:47:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens In-Reply-To: References: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> <0541430F-5FD0-4FCA-9FE2-7D4B80AF11FE@w2xj.net> Message-ID: <2046630343.10640632.1553528839741@mail.yahoo.com> I think all the comments argue for flexibility in a K4 UI.?Even the lowly UBITX (not a dig) has a plethora of touch screen and non-touch screen options these days that make it relatively easy to personalize your rig to your preferences.?I'd like an option to plug in a screen, touch or otherwise, that I could define depending on what I was doing that day, and while you're at it, a few user definable encoders on the KPOD.?All of that would make radio location a lot less critical than it is, at least for me now.? I've tried different approaches but the size of the radio and display pretty much mandates that for the old guy?it sits elevated in the middle of the desk.? With an optional?display, and a couple of definable encoders on the KPOD, I could park the radio somewhere else and see and do what I wanted much more easily.?Scott ka9p??-----Original Message----- From: Buddy Brannan To: elecraft Sent: Mon, Mar 25, 2019 10:19 am Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens While those are certainly advantages, there are several disadvantages. Number 1 on my personal hit parade: they aren?t tactile. You have to look at them to operate them. Which means, for you, another distraction. For me, it means extra support (think VoiceOver on iOS, Talkback on Android, VoiceView on the Amazon Fire things). So far, none of the ham radio manufacturers has implemented anything like that, and so touch screen interfaces on a lot of stuff are out of my reach, as it were. Of course, knobs and switches and buttons have the advantage of being able to be manipulated without having to see where they are. Pretty helpfulwhen you have to look at other things instead. Then there?s the matter of all the fingerprints?which, along with the problem of operating with gloves that are not specifically designed to work with capacitive touch screens, can be solved by use of a stylus. Still, a disadvantage, and yet another thing to remember to not leave behind. > On Mar 25, 2019, at 10:59 AM, Doug Person wrote: > > I've designed and developed all sorts of user interfaces. Some touch and some not. A touch screen has several huge advantages: > > 1.) it can be updated. When a better approach for a particular function is determined - a firmware update can be performed to change the user interface. > > 2.) When an optional board is added (VHF/UHF, inboard-tuner, etc), the user interface can be changed to accommodate it. > > 3.) Several configurations can be stored. For ex. a configuration for contesting, one for normal ops, satellite,? digital modes, etc. The idea is that the display can be configured for each individual's preference. > > A 7" touch screen is a blank canvas. Firmware changes can add or remove anything. Buttons and switches are a one time implementation. > > I understand how some people find touch screens annoying. I've seen a lot of bad designs and they give touch screens a bad reputation. But a well-designed screen can be just as good or even superior to rows of buttons and switches. > > Doug -- KJ0F > > On 3/24/2019 7:55 PM, Michael Walker wrote: >> I have used all sort of user interfaces. >> >> Knobs, mouse, keyboard, touch screens.? They all work and do what they need >> to do. >> >> That being said, it comes down to what works for you. >> >> Mike va3mw >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 8:52 PM W2xj wrote: >> >>> I?ve been using touchscreens for 35 years. My experience is not what you >>> describe. Actually it is very much the opposite. Mechanical switches are >>> the least reliable. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Mar 24, 2019, at 8:35 PM, Al Lorona wrote: >>>> >>>> Thaddeus sits down at the rig. Today is the day Bouvet is supposed to >>> come on the air, and thousands of hams around the world must be tuning >>> around at this moment trying to be the first to work the DXpedition. >>>> He gets a feeling and tunes low in the band, turning the knob as if he >>> were breaking into a safe. His intuition pays off: he hears a weak signal >>> tuning up, and then... a callsign. It's Bouvet! Instant rush. Instant >>> clammy hands. He reaches to tap the Split button on his fancy new rig's >>> touch screen. He taps again. The screen does nothing. Oh no, not now, touch >>> screen. Please recognize my finger... please! Bouvet turns it over, but >>> nobody has heard them yet, so Bouvet calls again, and while Thaddeus is >>> tapping frantically, time slows down, four seconds feel like four hours, >>> and still the dim-witted screen does nothing as Thaddeus begins all the >>> usual finger gymnastics that people do when they're trying to make their >>> device understand that they in fact want it to do something. The radio sits >>> there stupidly, the DX stops calling, and then the pileup mayhem begins. >>> Thaddeus sits there, stupefied, wondering why those &#^+! engineers at >>> Elecraft decided to put a $@_% touch screen on an otherwise perfectly good >>> radio. >>>> For this reason, I will never buy a radio with a touch screen. Ain't >>> gonna do it. So Elecraft, you've been put on notice. >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> Al? W6LX >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > -- > 73 de Doug -- KJ0F > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Email: buddy at brannan.name Mobile: (814) 431-0962 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From doug at kj0f.com Mon Mar 25 11:51:28 2019 From: doug at kj0f.com (Doug Person) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 10:51:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <85580C9B-69D6-4DEE-B831-D5BEC99546BE@yahoo.com> References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <85580C9B-69D6-4DEE-B831-D5BEC99546BE@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <94ffd6e7-2ced-39cd-76f8-248e81ecba89@kj0f.com> Modern screens last a long time and don't suffer nearly as much from burn-in. They can also be replaced. Doug -- KJ0F On 3/24/2019 10:58 PM, mrkgnthr--- via Elecraft wrote: > I keep seeing all the desires for a big color screen. I have seen too many of these color screens that have burn in and failure. I like my nice yellow screen that is always readable, and if damaged can be replaced for less than the cost of a new radio. I like a radio that I can pick up and carry without straining my back. I like the separate modules that can be upgraded. The price was a little steep, but every time I turn it on I smile and know it was worth it > > Mark. WB7TLK > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Mar 24, 2019, at 20:38, John_N1JM wrote: >> >> This message has no content. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- 73 de Doug -- KJ0F From k9ma at sdellington.us Mon Mar 25 11:57:15 2019 From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 10:57:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <90771df0-8bf0-a537-5209-6a67c063ed1c@kj0f.com> References: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> <90771df0-8bf0-a537-5209-6a67c063ed1c@kj0f.com> Message-ID: <1547a6fd-2f03-7ff5-853f-edc85f3eb12f@sdellington.us> The top of my list would include a really effective noise blanker.? Those of us who don't live way out in the countryside are often plagued with power line noise, which a good noise blanker can largely eliminate. Many older transceivers have noise blankers which are very effective on impulse noise, but only as long as there are no strong signals within 5-10 kHz of the desired signal. The "K4" noise blanker would have the ability to use a second receiver, with a wide IF bandwidth, tuned to a nearby quiet segment, to control the noise blanker in the primary receiver(s). It would be able to automatically find that clear segment. To be effective, the noise blanker receiver has to have a bandwidth of at least 15 kHz, and there can be no strong signals within that bandwidth. Perhaps direct sampling would allow this to be done in software, if the dynamic range were large enough, but it would have to work as well as a hardware version. 73, Scott K9MA -- Scott K9MA k9ma at sdellington.us From doug at kj0f.com Mon Mar 25 11:57:00 2019 From: doug at kj0f.com (Doug Person) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 10:57:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <8908207a-8658-f8f9-8eb8-258968b53587@kj0f.com> I think you misunderstand open source. Doug -- KJ0F On 3/25/2019 7:37 AM, rich hurd WC3T wrote: > "integrated FT8" will never happen. If I'm not mistaken, FT8 is open > source and incorporating that software with its licensing requirements > could expose Elecraft to all sorts of exposure; as their software is NOT > open-source. > > At least I believe I read that somewhere. That's my belief. Sort of > the same reason HRD or other licensed, closed-source apps do not > incorporate FT8 or any of those derivatives into their software. They > simply can't. > > > > On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 1:08 AM Martin Sole wrote: > >> Well since you asked and made this sort of official, here's a few >> things, though in no particular order of merit: >> >> Integrated 7? (or bigger) panadaptor with touch screen. >> >> ?Proper? band stacking registers. >> >> Equal sized vfo knobs for A and B. >> >> Individual mode buttons. >> >> AGC, NB, NR all with front panel controls adjustable on the fly. >> >> More digital mode integration, built in FT8 with up-gradable software as >> digi modes develop. >> >> Integrated PSU for 100-250 Vac. >> >> 50V minimum PA. >> >> Ground Breaking earth shattering TX IMD. >> >> Using the built in touch screen full descriptive menu. >> >> Bigger rotary controls with more space. >> >> RF performance equal to or better than best of the best. >> >> Modular design with bare bones to fully loaded capability. >> >> PA options from 10 to 500 watts fully integrated with ATU (KPA500/KAT500). >> >> I/Q output. >> >> Proper base station radio without concern for portability (K3S is >> already the leader there). >> >> More extensive API giving ability to do literally everything the radio >> can do from a computer. >> >> Removeable head so the base radio can be remoted and the control head >> used from where you need to be. >> >> More ?And?, less ?Either or? (Mic/Line selection level etc). >> >> >> Martin, HS0ZED >> >> >> >> >> On 25/03/2019 07:14, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote: >>> Inquiring minds want to know: >>> What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? >>> >>> Eric >>> elecraft.com >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > -- 73 de Doug -- KJ0F From doug at kj0f.com Mon Mar 25 11:59:55 2019 From: doug at kj0f.com (Doug Person) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 10:59:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <1553521915930-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1553521915930-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4a3417f7-dc18-366a-7281-9e8c79222379@kj0f.com> The P3 is far superior to the spectrum display on the 7610? In what way? Are you sure you understand how to configure the 7610 display? Doug -- KJ0F On 3/25/2019 8:51 AM, K8TE wrote: > I will visit a friend to operate his station again for the CQ WW WPX SSB > Contest this coming weekend. We use these opportunities to motivate and > train new contesters. His main rig is an IC-7610. I will bring my KPA1500 > to substitute for his 600 Watt amplifier and tuner since neither provides > the kind of integration the K-Line can. > > I greatly prefer operating my K3/P3 over the IC-7610! The P3 is a far > better panadaptor than the IC-7610's! The K3's user interface is much > simpler and more effective to operate than the IC-7610's. BTW, this his the > second IC-7610 in my friend's shack as the first failed 46+ times during > last November's ARRL SS-SSB Contest (we may have missed counting some). > Icom had the radio for several weeks and found no trouble. I give them > credit for replacing it after the November debacle, no questions asked. The > replacement didn't fail during the ARRL DX-SSB Contest in February. > > The K4, when it comes, I assert, will not be about aesthetics, but > performance and features serious hams want. If you haven't been paying > attention, a significant number of those hams have replaced their K3S radios > with the Flex 6700. Their feature set and performance have set a standard > the K4 will need to excede. I am confident it will. > > The K3S is definitely NOT "dated" with regard to performance. Check out Rob > Sherwood's, NC0B, receiver performance listing: > http://www.sherweng.com/table.html. The K3S is #2 for transceivers with the > upgraded K3 immediately behind it. Elecraft's challenge is to provide a > significant improvement in performance which depends upon both hardware and > engineering. That is more difficult than ever before. The K3 was a > game-changer. I suspect we won't see a K4 until it too can change the game. > > I am amused by some of the Luddite comments regarding touch screens and > computer interfacing. Yes, the K3S is an awesome stand-alone rig and the > K-Line abely performs without a computer in sight. However, most of us have > progressed from contesting and DX'ing using paper and pen. Don't use a > computer if you don't want, but don't knock the many advantages a computer > in the shack provides. After all, it is 2019. Read your equipment manuals, > get KE7X's books, and see what else you can do with your Elecraft gear. > Most of all, have fun. > > I recall watching the KPA1500 poster go up on the wall at the IDXC in > Visalia. I look forward to seeing the K4 poster there or in Xenia! After > all, it's just my kids' inheritance I'm spending and enjoying. > > 73, Bill, K8TE > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- 73 de Doug -- KJ0F From mlmurrah at mac.com Mon Mar 25 12:01:33 2019 From: mlmurrah at mac.com (Macka Murrah) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 11:01:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Paddle Recommendation Message-ID: Need recommendation on paddle for K3S. Prefer something small, and I like the one on the KX2. Lee KV5M Sent from my iPhone From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Mar 25 12:02:15 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 12:02:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens In-Reply-To: References: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> <0541430F-5FD0-4FCA-9FE2-7D4B80AF11FE@w2xj.net> Message-ID: <895f8e34-2165-21fe-47f1-32e7014b5af2@embarqmail.com> Touch screens do not provide support for blind amateur operators. Elecraft has always said they will provide support for blind operators. I just wonder how touchscreens fit into that commitment. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/25/2019 11:18 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote: > While those are certainly advantages, there are several disadvantages. Number 1 on my personal hit parade: they aren?t tactile. You have to look at them to operate them. Which means, for you, another distraction. For me, it means extra support (think VoiceOver on iOS, Talkback on Android, VoiceView on the Amazon Fire things). So far, none of the ham radio manufacturers has implemented anything like that, and so touch screen interfaces on a lot of stuff are out of my reach, as it were. Of course, knobs and switches and buttons have the advantage of being able to be manipulated without having to see where they are. From ve3nr at bell.net Mon Mar 25 12:10:28 2019 From: ve3nr at bell.net (Bert) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 12:10:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <94ffd6e7-2ced-39cd-76f8-248e81ecba89@kj0f.com> References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <85580C9B-69D6-4DEE-B831-D5BEC99546BE@yahoo.com> <94ffd6e7-2ced-39cd-76f8-248e81ecba89@kj0f.com> Message-ID: Touch screens are unavoidable! Most future electronic devices will have have touch screens as I/O interface. You can wish whatever you want, but if the device/radio is not commercially viable, it will never happen, i.e. it always comes down to dollars and cents! BTW, the best device you have is between your ears! ;-) Bert VE3NR On 3/25/2019 11:51 AM, Doug Person wrote: > Modern screens last a long time and don't suffer nearly as much from > burn-in. They can also be replaced. > > Doug -- KJ0F > > On 3/24/2019 10:58 PM, mrkgnthr--- via Elecraft wrote: >> I keep seeing all the desires for a big color screen.? I have seen >> too many of these color screens that have burn in and failure.? I >> like my nice yellow screen that is always readable, and if damaged >> can be replaced for less than the cost of a new radio.? I like a >> radio that I can pick up and carry without straining my back.??? I >> like the separate modules that can be upgraded.? The price was a >> little steep, but every time I turn it on I smile and know it was >> worth it >> >> Mark.? WB7TLK >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Mar 24, 2019, at 20:38, John_N1JM wrote: >>> >>> This message has no content. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> From casey at tomochka.com Mon Mar 25 12:12:27 2019 From: casey at tomochka.com (TI2/NA7U) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 09:12:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Extra two iron cores in my KPA100 kit? Message-ID: <1553530347756-0.post@n2.nabble.com> On Assembly, Part II, pg 24, which caused me to sort out the powdered iron and ferrite cores. I have two T50- iron cores not mentioned in the instructions or part inventory. All other cores are present and accounted for. Sound familiar to anyone? 73, Casey, TI2/NA7U ----- Cloud Warmer Ham Radio Blog -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From nm5ps at arrl.net Mon Mar 25 12:14:47 2019 From: nm5ps at arrl.net (Peter Spotts) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 10:14:47 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <4afe1189-1f89-6632-12d7-91a1f1454554@blomand.net> References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <2434b664-bcf2-2ca0-a629-a76ef4352311@blomand.net> <8F13DDA7-DF0F-475C-B2D4-66611F89B94D@mac.com> <4afe1189-1f89-6632-12d7-91a1f1454554@blomand.net> Message-ID: <169b5a200d8.27ed.14c6b13c7ed59fae568d444850bac2c3@arrl.net> Yes, the economics can be brutal. But the investment gap was ever thus. I'm a boomer who first learned of amateur radio when I was in junior high school. I wouldn't get my license until many years later. But I pored through Heathkit, Allied, and Lafayette catalogs and visited our local Henry Radio store looking longingly at the radios. Then, as now, there was a wide range of price and performance. IIRC, the gold standard, or so it seemed, was the original Collins line, before Rockwell bought them out. My meager in-person sampling of stations at the time yielded a similar observation to yours: more Heathkits, Drakes, Atlases, and others than Collins. In the end, I guess, we pay the price we must for a radio that meets our operating interests and needs, and change radios if or as those interests change. As a mid-price-ish rig, "We'll always have the K2 [he hoped]; here's QSLin' you, kid." A satisfied K1, KX1 builder/user... W/best regards, Pete -- -- Peter N. Spotts -- NM5PS ARRL Public Information Coordinator, New Mexico Section http://www.nm5ps.net | Email: nm5ps at arrl.net | Skype: pspotts QCWA #34679 | SKCC #4853S | QRP-ARCI #4174 | CalQRP #67 NEQRP #714 | NAQCC #2446 | G-QRP #13202 | Polar Bear #348 On March 25, 2019 08:45:07 Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > With all of the wonderful ideas and features advanced for a K4, I find > one thing which has been seemingly omitted. PRICE! Yep, hams want > radios with all the features whistle band bells along with alleged > performance.............. in the $1000 price range. Look at the volume > of sales of radios in this price range. A large majority of hams today > do not have $3500 to $6500 to invest in a radio. Yes I know the > technology, engineering investment and cost to produce is a major > component of price. But still, hams want inexpensive radios. It may > not be feasible to produce a product in the $1000 price range, but ICOM, > Kenwood and Yaesu seem to think so. > > > ICOM IC-7300 = $979; Yaesu FT 991A = $1100; Kenwood TS-590SG = $1200; > Yaesu FT-DX3000 = $ 1300; Kenwood TS-480HX = $1000 > > > Yes I know these are not in the performance league of the current K3S, > but these are what is on the air, in mass, today. > > > > > 73 > > > Bob, K4TAX > > > Very happy with my: > > > K3S, KPA500, KAT500 and P3 > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Peter N. Spotts -- NM5PS ARRL Public Information Coordinator, New Mexico Section http://www.nm5ps.net | Email: nm5ps at arrl.net | Skype: pspotts QCWA #34679 | SKCC #4853S | QRP-ARCI #4174 | CalQRP #67 NEQRP #714 | NAQCC #2446 | G-QRP #13202 | Polar Bear #348 On March 25, 2019 08:45:07 Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > With all of the wonderful ideas and features advanced for a K4, I find > one thing which has been seemingly omitted. PRICE! Yep, hams want > radios with all the features whistle band bells along with alleged > performance.............. in the $1000 price range. Look at the volume > of sales of radios in this price range. A large majority of hams today > do not have $3500 to $6500 to invest in a radio. Yes I know the > technology, engineering investment and cost to produce is a major > component of price. But still, hams want inexpensive radios. It may > not be feasible to produce a product in the $1000 price range, but ICOM, > Kenwood and Yaesu seem to think so. > > ICOM IC-7300 = $979; Yaesu FT 991A = $1100; Kenwood TS-590SG = $1200; > Yaesu FT-DX3000 = $ 1300; Kenwood TS-480HX = $1000 > > Yes I know these are not in the performance league of the current K3S, > but these are what is on the air, in mass, today. > > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > Very happy with my: > > K3S, KPA500, KAT500 and P3 > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From phystad at mac.com Mon Mar 25 12:23:24 2019 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 09:23:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <85580C9B-69D6-4DEE-B831-D5BEC99546BE@yahoo.com> <94ffd6e7-2ced-39cd-76f8-248e81ecba89@kj0f.com> Message-ID: <4BEDA746-A0A2-44D8-9CA2-F8F32823434E@mac.com> I believe many future electronic devices will not have a touch screen. They will have a voice interface. In fact, a number of devices in my home right now are voice operated and it seems to work just fine and this capability is improving rapidly in the industry. For example, my 2018 Toyota RAV4/Hybrid has a touch screen system. I also have my iPhone coupled to the RAV4 so I make calls hands free merely by saying something like "Siri, call home". I also play music I have on my iPhone. Instead of using the touch-screen music browsing system, I merely say "Siri, play Beatles One" or whatever. I have actually named my music playlists with names easy to use Siri for this interface. And, instead of doing simple time-zone arithmetic, I have the habit of saying "Alexa, what is GMT time for now". Alexa answers clearly with date and time. phil, K7PEH > On Mar 25, 2019, at 9:10 AM, Bert wrote: > > Touch screens are unavoidable! Most future electronic devices will have have touch screens as I/O interface. > > You can wish whatever you want, but if the device/radio is not commercially viable, it will never happen, > i.e. it always comes down to dollars and cents! > > BTW, the best device you have is between your ears! ;-) > > Bert VE3NR > > > > On 3/25/2019 11:51 AM, Doug Person wrote: >> Modern screens last a long time and don't suffer nearly as much from burn-in. They can also be replaced. >> >> Doug -- KJ0F >> >> On 3/24/2019 10:58 PM, mrkgnthr--- via Elecraft wrote: >>> I keep seeing all the desires for a big color screen. I have seen too many of these color screens that have burn in and failure. I like my nice yellow screen that is always readable, and if damaged can be replaced for less than the cost of a new radio. I like a radio that I can pick up and carry without straining my back. I like the separate modules that can be upgraded. The price was a little steep, but every time I turn it on I smile and know it was worth it >>> >>> Mark. WB7TLK >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Mar 24, 2019, at 20:38, John_N1JM wrote: >>>> >>>> This message has no content. >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From W2xj at w2xj.net Mon Mar 25 12:51:50 2019 From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 12:51:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <169b5a200d8.27ed.14c6b13c7ed59fae568d444850bac2c3@arrl.net> References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <2434b664-bcf2-2ca0-a629-a76ef4352311@blomand.net> <8F13DDA7-DF0F-475C-B2D4-66611F89B94D@mac.com> <4afe1189-1f89-6632-12d7-91a1f1454554@blomand.net> <169b5a200d8.27ed.14c6b13c7ed59fae568d444850bac2c3@arrl.net> Message-ID: When I was in high school my first station was Collins S Line and a triband beam on a 50 foot tower. Also, a Viking 500. Sent from my iPad > On Mar 25, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Peter Spotts wrote: > > Yes, the economics can be brutal. But the investment gap was ever thus. I'm a boomer who first learned of amateur radio when I was in junior high school. I wouldn't get my license until many years later. But I pored through Heathkit, Allied, and Lafayette catalogs and visited our local Henry Radio store looking longingly at the radios. Then, as now, there was a wide range of price and performance. IIRC, the gold standard, or so it seemed, was the original Collins line, before Rockwell bought them out. My meager in-person sampling of stations at the time yielded a similar observation to yours: more Heathkits, Drakes, Atlases, and others than Collins. > > > In the end, I guess, we pay the price we must for a radio that meets our operating interests and needs, and change radios if or as those interests change. > > > As a mid-price-ish rig, "We'll always have the K2 [he hoped]; here's QSLin' you, kid." > > > A satisfied K1, KX1 builder/user... > > > W/best regards, > > Pete > -- > > -- > Peter N. Spotts -- NM5PS > ARRL Public Information Coordinator, New Mexico Section > http://www.nm5ps.net | Email: nm5ps at arrl.net | Skype: pspotts > QCWA #34679 | SKCC #4853S | QRP-ARCI #4174 | CalQRP #67 > NEQRP #714 | NAQCC #2446 | G-QRP #13202 | Polar Bear #348 > >> On March 25, 2019 08:45:07 Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: >> >> With all of the wonderful ideas and features advanced for a K4, I find >> one thing which has been seemingly omitted. PRICE! Yep, hams want >> radios with all the features whistle band bells along with alleged >> performance.............. in the $1000 price range. Look at the volume >> of sales of radios in this price range. A large majority of hams today >> do not have $3500 to $6500 to invest in a radio. Yes I know the >> technology, engineering investment and cost to produce is a major >> component of price. But still, hams want inexpensive radios. It may >> not be feasible to produce a product in the $1000 price range, but ICOM, >> Kenwood and Yaesu seem to think so. >> >> >> ICOM IC-7300 = $979; Yaesu FT 991A = $1100; Kenwood TS-590SG = $1200; >> Yaesu FT-DX3000 = $ 1300; Kenwood TS-480HX = $1000 >> >> >> Yes I know these are not in the performance league of the current K3S, >> but these are what is on the air, in mass, today. >> >> >> >> >> 73 >> >> >> Bob, K4TAX >> >> >> Very happy with my: >> >> >> K3S, KPA500, KAT500 and P3 >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > -- > Peter N. Spotts -- NM5PS > ARRL Public Information Coordinator, New Mexico Section > http://www.nm5ps.net | Email: nm5ps at arrl.net | Skype: pspotts > QCWA #34679 | SKCC #4853S | QRP-ARCI #4174 | CalQRP #67 > NEQRP #714 | NAQCC #2446 | G-QRP #13202 | Polar Bear #348 > > >> On March 25, 2019 08:45:07 Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: >> >> With all of the wonderful ideas and features advanced for a K4, I find >> one thing which has been seemingly omitted. PRICE! Yep, hams want >> radios with all the features whistle band bells along with alleged >> performance.............. in the $1000 price range. Look at the volume >> of sales of radios in this price range. A large majority of hams today >> do not have $3500 to $6500 to invest in a radio. Yes I know the >> technology, engineering investment and cost to produce is a major >> component of price. But still, hams want inexpensive radios. It may >> not be feasible to produce a product in the $1000 price range, but ICOM, >> Kenwood and Yaesu seem to think so. >> >> ICOM IC-7300 = $979; Yaesu FT 991A = $1100; Kenwood TS-590SG = $1200; >> Yaesu FT-DX3000 = $ 1300; Kenwood TS-480HX = $1000 >> >> Yes I know these are not in the performance league of the current K3S, >> but these are what is on the air, in mass, today. >> >> >> 73 >> >> Bob, K4TAX >> >> Very happy with my: >> >> K3S, KPA500, KAT500 and P3 >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Mar 25 12:56:07 2019 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 09:56:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <85580C9B-69D6-4DEE-B831-D5BEC99546BE@yahoo.com> <94ffd6e7-2ced-39cd-76f8-248e81ecba89@kj0f.com> Message-ID: <62C817F9-BA25-4EBF-859E-0A552A8617D8@elecraft.com> > On Mar 25, 2019, at 9:10 AM, Bert wrote: > > Touch screens are unavoidable! The trick is to provide a full complement of "hard" controls for functions accessed most frequently, "in the heat of battle," as they say, while leveraging the touch screen for its versatility. Touchable fields can be added as a backup/shortcut to hard controls. A touch screen inherently offers immediate context-sensitive feedback and in many cases reduced time/effort. Examples include signal selection, zooming, etc. Zooming should also be done right, by resampling at narrower resolution -- is shouldn't just be a "blow-up" of the original pixels, as implemented on some existing radios. Ultimately, get what you pay for. That said, current prices for "high-end" super-radios are ridiculous; they're two to four times higher than necessary. Not only that, they're not configurable or upgradeable. Very un-Elecraft like. Wayne N6KR From ve3nr at bell.net Mon Mar 25 12:57:26 2019 From: ve3nr at bell.net (Bert) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 12:57:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <4BEDA746-A0A2-44D8-9CA2-F8F32823434E@mac.com> References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <85580C9B-69D6-4DEE-B831-D5BEC99546BE@yahoo.com> <94ffd6e7-2ced-39cd-76f8-248e81ecba89@kj0f.com> <4BEDA746-A0A2-44D8-9CA2-F8F32823434E@mac.com> Message-ID: <64350170-d439-4e7e-d58d-37fb3e1aa853@bell.net> Hi Phil, Voice interface is OK with household electronics but I doubt we'll see it in our transceivers in the near future. The ham radio market is probably too small to make this feature commercially viable. Again, dollars and cents! OMHO! Bert VE3NR On 3/25/2019 12:23 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > I believe many future electronic devices will not have a touch screen. They will have a voice interface. In fact, a number of devices in my home right now are voice operated and it seems to work just fine and this capability is improving rapidly in the industry. > > For example, my 2018 Toyota RAV4/Hybrid has a touch screen system. I also have my iPhone coupled to the RAV4 so I make calls hands free merely by saying something like "Siri, call home". I also play music I have on my iPhone. Instead of using the touch-screen music browsing system, I merely say "Siri, play Beatles One" or whatever. I have actually named my music playlists with names easy to use Siri for this interface. > > And, instead of doing simple time-zone arithmetic, I have the habit of saying "Alexa, what is GMT time for now". Alexa answers clearly with date and time. > > phil, K7PEH > >> On Mar 25, 2019, at 9:10 AM, Bert wrote: >> >> Touch screens are unavoidable! Most future electronic devices will have have touch screens as I/O interface. >> >> You can wish whatever you want, but if the device/radio is not commercially viable, it will never happen, >> i.e. it always comes down to dollars and cents! >> >> BTW, the best device you have is between your ears! ;-) >> >> Bert VE3NR >> >> >> >> On 3/25/2019 11:51 AM, Doug Person wrote: >>> Modern screens last a long time and don't suffer nearly as much from burn-in. They can also be replaced. >>> >>> Doug -- KJ0F >>> >>> On 3/24/2019 10:58 PM, mrkgnthr--- via Elecraft wrote: >>>> I keep seeing all the desires for a big color screen. I have seen too many of these color screens that have burn in and failure. I like my nice yellow screen that is always readable, and if damaged can be replaced for less than the cost of a new radio. I like a radio that I can pick up and carry without straining my back. I like the separate modules that can be upgraded. The price was a little steep, but every time I turn it on I smile and know it was worth it >>>> >>>> Mark. WB7TLK >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On Mar 24, 2019, at 20:38, John_N1JM wrote: >>>>> >>>>> This message has no content. >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From nelasat at yahoo.com Mon Mar 25 13:01:29 2019 From: nelasat at yahoo.com (Keith Ennis) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 17:01:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: P3 with P3TXMON for sale References: <2119392732.10681322.1553533289658.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2119392732.10681322.1553533289658@mail.yahoo.com> Elecraft P3, P3TXMON & DCHF-2000? Excellent condition. Selling for $725 with free shipping. Cleared check or MO. Can take PayPal if you want to pay. 73, Keith, KV5J From neilz at techie.com Mon Mar 25 13:01:41 2019 From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 13:01:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <8908207a-8658-f8f9-8eb8-258968b53587@kj0f.com> References: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> <8908207a-8658-f8f9-8eb8-258968b53587@kj0f.com> Message-ID: FWIW .. the FT8 code is not 'open source' it is under the General Public License v3.?? According to the GPL v3 FAQ: "You cannot incorporate GPL-covered software in a proprietary system. The goal of the GPL is to grant everyone the freedom to copy, redistribute, understand, and modify a program. If you could incorporate GPL-covered software into a nonfree system, it would have the effect of making the GPL-covered software nonfree too." So in reality, unless the firmware is then made available under the GPL v3, which I don't see Elecraft doing, you can't use FT8 in the firmware. Neil, KN3iLZ On 3/25/2019 11:57 AM, Doug Person wrote: > I think you misunderstand open source. Doug -- KJ0F > > On 3/25/2019 7:37 AM, rich hurd WC3T wrote: >> "integrated FT8" will never happen.? If I'm not mistaken, FT8 is open >> source and incorporating that software with its licensing requirements >> could expose Elecraft to all sorts of exposure; as their software is NOT >> open-source. >> >> At least I believe I read that somewhere.?? That's my belief. Sort of >> the same reason HRD or other licensed, closed-source apps do not >> incorporate FT8 or any of those derivatives into their software.?? They >> simply can't. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 1:08 AM Martin Sole wrote: >> >>> Well since you asked and made this sort of official, here's a few >>> things, though in no particular order of merit: >>> >>> Integrated 7? (or bigger) panadaptor with touch screen. >>> >>> ?Proper? band stacking registers. >>> >>> Equal sized vfo knobs for A and B. >>> >>> Individual mode buttons. >>> >>> AGC, NB, NR all with front panel controls adjustable on the fly. >>> >>> More digital mode integration, built in FT8 with up-gradable >>> software as >>> digi modes develop. >>> >>> Integrated PSU for 100-250 Vac. >>> >>> 50V minimum PA. >>> >>> Ground Breaking earth shattering TX IMD. >>> >>> Using the built in touch screen full descriptive menu. >>> >>> Bigger rotary controls with more space. >>> >>> RF performance equal to or better than best of the best. >>> >>> Modular design with bare bones to fully loaded capability. >>> >>> PA options from 10 to 500 watts fully integrated with ATU >>> (KPA500/KAT500). >>> >>> I/Q output. >>> >>> Proper base station radio without concern for portability (K3S is >>> already the leader there). >>> >>> More extensive API giving ability to do literally everything the radio >>> can do from a computer. >>> >>> Removeable head so the base radio can be remoted and the control head >>> used from where you need to be. >>> >>> More ?And?, less ?Either or? (Mic/Line selection level etc). >>> >>> >>> Martin, HS0ZED >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 25/03/2019 07:14, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote: >>>> Inquiring minds want to know: >>>> What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> elecraft.com >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com From ha4zd at t-online.hu Mon Mar 25 13:04:37 2019 From: ha4zd at t-online.hu (=?UTF-8?B?U3phYsOzIElzdHbDoW4=?=) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 18:04:37 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <4BEDA746-A0A2-44D8-9CA2-F8F32823434E@mac.com> References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <85580C9B-69D6-4DEE-B831-D5BEC99546BE@yahoo.com> <94ffd6e7-2ced-39cd-76f8-248e81ecba89@kj0f.com> <4BEDA746-A0A2-44D8-9CA2-F8F32823434E@mac.com> Message-ID: <7c8522b8-a1aa-b1a1-5873-6e29d55c4860@t-online.hu> Could only the front panel partially replaced with large colour screen? One could play computer games (attract the grandchildren), others watch IPTV when the bands are dead and finally the HAMs could control the current radio. There may be more than one option. Personally I like the mono display, easy to read, large characters. The 5"x4" central face could be the screen, easy readability is important in high lighting. Is it feasible economically? One thing is very important no gimmick just functionality. Current radios are fantastic, no need more for me, I am happy with K3. 73, Istvan HA4ZD From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Mar 25 13:16:26 2019 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 10:16:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <64350170-d439-4e7e-d58d-37fb3e1aa853@bell.net> References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <85580C9B-69D6-4DEE-B831-D5BEC99546BE@yahoo.com> <94ffd6e7-2ced-39cd-76f8-248e81ecba89@kj0f.com> <4BEDA746-A0A2-44D8-9CA2-F8F32823434E@mac.com> <64350170-d439-4e7e-d58d-37fb3e1aa853@bell.net> Message-ID: > On Mar 25, 2019, at 9:57 AM, Bert wrote: > > Hi Phil, > > Voice interface is OK with household electronics but I doubt we'll see it > in our transceivers in the near future. The ham radio market is probably > too small to make this feature commercially viable. Again, dollars and cents! > OMHO! > > Bert VE3NR On the other hand, if your radio had a general-purpose Linux single-board computer designed in, with Ethernet access, you could pretty easily include voice recognition either locally or internet-enabled at zero cost. Wayne N6KR From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 13:20:16 2019 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 19:20:16 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <62C817F9-BA25-4EBF-859E-0A552A8617D8@elecraft.com> References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <85580C9B-69D6-4DEE-B831-D5BEC99546BE@yahoo.com> <94ffd6e7-2ced-39cd-76f8-248e81ecba89@kj0f.com> <62C817F9-BA25-4EBF-859E-0A552A8617D8@elecraft.com> Message-ID: From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 13:26:37 2019 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 19:26:37 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <85580C9B-69D6-4DEE-B831-D5BEC99546BE@yahoo.com> <94ffd6e7-2ced-39cd-76f8-248e81ecba89@kj0f.com> <4BEDA746-A0A2-44D8-9CA2-F8F32823434E@mac.com> <64350170-d439-4e7e-d58d-37fb3e1aa853@bell.net> Message-ID: <837745e3-3ce3-6633-3220-40add7b8a914@gmail.com> From kq6dv73 at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 13:28:17 2019 From: kq6dv73 at gmail.com (Tom Johnson) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 10:28:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K1 VFO problem - RESOLVED In-Reply-To: <48cb5756-8330-48d0-24c1-bcc3527942e8@embarqmail.com> References: <9899343.1362428417157.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1553392989647-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <48cb5756-8330-48d0-24c1-bcc3527942e8@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1553534897799-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks, Don Wilhelm, your intuition was correct: I installed a 120pF capacitor at C12. When I replaced it with the correct 1200pF capacitor the frequency display worked! 73, Tom KQ7TJ Don Wilhelm wrote > Tom, > > Triple check C11 and C12 to be certain they are both 1200pF and that you > did not use the 120pF capacitor for one of them. > > Build yourself an RF Probe. The schematic for one is shown in the K1 > Manual Appendix on Troubleshooting. You can also purchase a kit from > Elecraft. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/23/2019 10:03 PM, Tom Johnson wrote: > >> I am awaiting arrival of an RF Probe kit so I can do signal testing to >> attempt to trace down my problem. In the meantime I have looked over my >> board to the point it's invading my dreams, and I do not see any visible >> problem with the installation of any of the parts, with special attention >> to: Q9, Q1, R11, R12, L1, C2. >> >> I did see that I had not firmly seated U1, and corrected that: I was >> hoping >> that would do the trick, but it did not - still get the E42 code. >> >> It just seems to me that as everything tested out fine up until the >> installation of the L1 Toroid and the C2 capacitor (I'm using 68 pF disc >> for >> the 80 kHz range), that the issue should be centered there. I've >> confirmed >> the 33 turns on the toroid, and fiddled with the it's placement. I'm >> wondering if the winding direction makes a difference in the functioning >> of >> L1 - there is no picture of it in the manual, only a reference back to >> previous toroids, and I have wound it to match them. I've also confirmed >> continuity of the windings on L1. >> >> Lastly, I will reveal my testing ignorance here by mentioning my >> multimeter >> does measure frequency, but I am not sure if that applies in this case: >> ie, >> would that function as an RF Probe if I understood how to use it? >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: > Elecraft at .qth > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From nelasat at yahoo.com Mon Mar 25 13:29:13 2019 From: nelasat at yahoo.com (Keith Ennis) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 17:29:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: K144XV 2 meter internal module for sale. References: <1605861490.10706165.1553534953184.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1605861490.10706165.1553534953184@mail.yahoo.com> K144XV 2 meter internal module.Working 100%. Only $265 shipped.? Keith, KV5J nelasat (at) yahoo (dot) com From ve3nr at bell.net Mon Mar 25 13:31:03 2019 From: ve3nr at bell.net (Bert) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 13:31:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <85580C9B-69D6-4DEE-B831-D5BEC99546BE@yahoo.com> <94ffd6e7-2ced-39cd-76f8-248e81ecba89@kj0f.com> <4BEDA746-A0A2-44D8-9CA2-F8F32823434E@mac.com> <64350170-d439-4e7e-d58d-37fb3e1aa853@bell.net> Message-ID: <2cf178ce-2d82-e6e4-79a9-b2a7af4dc2ed@bell.net> You would still need some kind of display to verify the voice instruction or order to the radio, so one way or another you need something visual. I guess an audio response to your verbal instruction is possible, but nothing you can see/verify after the fact. A screen of some kind seems to be necessary for convenience - touch or otherwise! Bert VE3NR On 3/25/2019 1:16 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> On Mar 25, 2019, at 9:57 AM, Bert wrote: >> >> Hi Phil, >> >> Voice interface is OK with household electronics but I doubt we'll see it >> in our transceivers in the near future. The ham radio market is probably >> too small to make this feature commercially viable. Again, dollars and cents! >> OMHO! >> >> Bert VE3NR > > On the other hand, if your radio had a general-purpose Linux single-board computer designed in, with Ethernet access, you could pretty easily include voice recognition either locally or internet-enabled at zero cost. > > Wayne > N6KR > > From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Mar 25 13:36:16 2019 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 10:36:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <2cf178ce-2d82-e6e4-79a9-b2a7af4dc2ed@bell.net> References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <85580C9B-69D6-4DEE-B831-D5BEC99546BE@yahoo.com> <94ffd6e7-2ced-39cd-76f8-248e81ecba89@kj0f.com> <4BEDA746-A0A2-44D8-9CA2-F8F32823434E@mac.com> <64350170-d439-4e7e-d58d-37fb3e1aa853@bell.net> <2cf178ce-2d82-e6e4-79a9-b2a7af4dc2ed@bell.net> Message-ID: <9396CEB7-EBAD-4EA0-A4B1-98AAB33667D5@elecraft.com> Bert wrote: > > You would still need some kind of display to verify the voice instruction > or order to the radio, so one way or another you need something visual. > > I guess an audio response to your verbal instruction is possible, but nothing > you can see/verify after the fact. > > A screen of some kind seems to be necessary for convenience - touch or otherwise! Yes. 7" diagonal would provide the ideal tradeoff between screen size and the portion of the front panel dedicated to hard controls. The display should have much higher resolution than 800x480 (IC7610), IMHO. Wayne N6KR From wunder at wunderwood.org Mon Mar 25 13:37:57 2019 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 12:37:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <64350170-d439-4e7e-d58d-37fb3e1aa853@bell.net> References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <85580C9B-69D6-4DEE-B831-D5BEC99546BE@yahoo.com> <94ffd6e7-2ced-39cd-76f8-248e81ecba89@kj0f.com> <4BEDA746-A0A2-44D8-9CA2-F8F32823434E@mac.com> <64350170-d439-4e7e-d58d-37fb3e1aa853@bell.net> Message-ID: > On Mar 25, 2019, at 11:57 AM, Bert wrote: > > Voice interface is OK with household electronics but I doubt we'll see it > in our transceivers in the near future. Instead of ?Hey Siri!? we could say ?Hey Ellie!? to our Elecraft gear. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) From josh at voodoolab.com Mon Mar 25 13:38:13 2019 From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 10:38:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <2434b664-bcf2-2ca0-a629-a76ef4352311@blomand.net> <8F13DDA7-DF0F-475C-B2D4-66611F89B94D@mac.com> <4afe1189-1f89-6632-12d7-91a1f1454554@blomand.net> <169b5a200d8.27ed.14c6b13c7ed59fae568d444850bac2c3@arrl.net> Message-ID: <10D27AD6-3D6E-4E72-A14F-5420396E1AC2@voodoolab.com> Wow! Guess I was living on the other side of the tracks! 73 Josh W6XU Sent from my mobile device > On Mar 25, 2019, at 9:51 AM, W2xj wrote: > > When I was in high school my first station was Collins S Line and a triband beam on a 50 foot tower. Also, a Viking 500. From ve3nr at bell.net Mon Mar 25 13:41:50 2019 From: ve3nr at bell.net (Bert) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 13:41:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <10D27AD6-3D6E-4E72-A14F-5420396E1AC2@voodoolab.com> References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <2434b664-bcf2-2ca0-a629-a76ef4352311@blomand.net> <8F13DDA7-DF0F-475C-B2D4-66611F89B94D@mac.com> <4afe1189-1f89-6632-12d7-91a1f1454554@blomand.net> <169b5a200d8.27ed.14c6b13c7ed59fae568d444850bac2c3@arrl.net> <10D27AD6-3D6E-4E72-A14F-5420396E1AC2@voodoolab.com> Message-ID: <280e01d8-2675-aa5b-4199-18c913d8e8a2@bell.net> I could only dream about Collins, living on the other side of the pond at that time! Bert VE3NR? (SM7BUR) On 3/25/2019 1:38 PM, Josh Fiden wrote: > Wow! Guess I was living on the other side of the tracks! > > 73 > Josh W6XU > > Sent from my mobile device > >> On Mar 25, 2019, at 9:51 AM, W2xj wrote: >> >> When I was in high school my first station was Collins S Line and a triband beam on a 50 foot tower. Also, a Viking 500. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Mar 25 13:46:52 2019 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 10:46:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <85580C9B-69D6-4DEE-B831-D5BEC99546BE@yahoo.com> <94ffd6e7-2ced-39cd-76f8-248e81ecba89@kj0f.com> <4BEDA746-A0A2-44D8-9CA2-F8F32823434E@mac.com> <64350170-d439-4e7e-d58d-37fb3e1aa853@bell.net> Message-ID: Or it could just listening all the time. It might be like that scene in the movie "Contact," where Jodie Foster hears E.T., rips off her headphones, then drives away from the VLA (exceeding the Government's posted speed limit) while shouting instructions to the guys in the lab. Jodie: "14020 on A, up 1.5 on B! 50 Hz bandwidth, E-W Yagi at 42 degrees. Now!!" Lab guy, smirking: "It ain't local...." Wayne N6KR > On Mar 25, 2019, at 10:37 AM, Walter Underwood wrote: > >> On Mar 25, 2019, at 11:57 AM, Bert wrote: >> >> Voice interface is OK with household electronics but I doubt we'll see it >> in our transceivers in the near future. > > Instead of ?Hey Siri!? we could say ?Hey Ellie!? to our Elecraft gear. From buddy at brannan.name Mon Mar 25 13:46:36 2019 From: buddy at brannan.name (Buddy Brannan) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 13:46:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <2cf178ce-2d82-e6e4-79a9-b2a7af4dc2ed@bell.net> References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <85580C9B-69D6-4DEE-B831-D5BEC99546BE@yahoo.com> <94ffd6e7-2ced-39cd-76f8-248e81ecba89@kj0f.com> <4BEDA746-A0A2-44D8-9CA2-F8F32823434E@mac.com> <64350170-d439-4e7e-d58d-37fb3e1aa853@bell.net> <2cf178ce-2d82-e6e4-79a9-b2a7af4dc2ed@bell.net> Message-ID: Heh. News to me. I?ve been operating without displays for 31 years and change :-) Although, I admit, voice-activated interfaces don?t seem to be terribly compatible with rooms full of ops shouting ?CQ contest? ? > On Mar 25, 2019, at 1:31 PM, Bert wrote: > > You would still need some kind of display to verify the voice instruction > or order to the radio, so one way or another you need something visual. > > I guess an audio response to your verbal instruction is possible, but nothing > you can see/verify after the fact. > > A screen of some kind seems to be necessary for convenience - touch or otherwise! > > Bert VE3NR > > > On 3/25/2019 1:16 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> On Mar 25, 2019, at 9:57 AM, Bert wrote: >>> >>> Hi Phil, >>> >>> Voice interface is OK with household electronics but I doubt we'll see it >>> in our transceivers in the near future. The ham radio market is probably >>> too small to make this feature commercially viable. Again, dollars and cents! >>> OMHO! >>> >>> Bert VE3NR >> >> On the other hand, if your radio had a general-purpose Linux single-board computer designed in, with Ethernet access, you could pretty easily include voice recognition either locally or internet-enabled at zero cost. >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From rmcgraw at blomand.net Mon Mar 25 13:52:51 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 12:52:51 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <280e01d8-2675-aa5b-4199-18c913d8e8a2@bell.net> References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <2434b664-bcf2-2ca0-a629-a76ef4352311@blomand.net> <8F13DDA7-DF0F-475C-B2D4-66611F89B94D@mac.com> <4afe1189-1f89-6632-12d7-91a1f1454554@blomand.net> <169b5a200d8.27ed.14c6b13c7ed59fae568d444850bac2c3@arrl.net> <10D27AD6-3D6E-4E72-A14F-5420396E1AC2@voodoolab.com> <280e01d8-2675-aa5b-4199-18c913d8e8a2@bell.net> Message-ID: As and affluent high school kid,?? I built my own 6DQ6 CW transmitter/crystal oscillator with most of the parts recovered from? junk TV sets.?? And I bought a used S-38B receiver.?? I was a ham for 40 years before I obtained my Collins station. Many years and radios later, today there is a complete K Line on my operating desk.?? It just doesn't get any better and I'm delighted in the experience and knowledge gained along the way. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/25/2019 12:41 PM, Bert wrote: > I could only dream about Collins, living on the other side of the pond > at that time! > > Bert VE3NR? (SM7BUR) > > > > On 3/25/2019 1:38 PM, Josh Fiden wrote: >> Wow! Guess I was living on the other side of the tracks! >> >> 73 >> Josh W6XU >> >> Sent from my mobile device >> >>> On Mar 25, 2019, at 9:51 AM, W2xj wrote: >>> >>> When I was in high school my first station was Collins S Line and a >>> triband beam on a 50 foot tower. Also, a Viking 500. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From lists at w2irt.net Mon Mar 25 13:53:46 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 13:53:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <85580C9B-69D6-4DEE-B831-D5BEC99546BE@yahoo.com> <94ffd6e7-2ced-39cd-76f8-248e81ecba89@kj0f.com> <4BEDA746-A0A2-44D8-9CA2-F8F32823434E@mac.com> <64350170-d439-4e7e-d58d-37fb3e1aa853@bell.net> Message-ID: <035d01d4e333$b255ed40$1701c7c0$@w2irt.net> Don't laugh--I'd pay good coin for that ability! (still love that movie, too) - pjd -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 1:47 PM To: Walter Underwood Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4? Or it could just listening all the time. It might be like that scene in the movie "Contact," where Jodie Foster hears E.T., rips off her headphones, then drives away from the VLA (exceeding the Government's posted speed limit) while shouting instructions to the guys in the lab. Jodie: "14020 on A, up 1.5 on B! 50 Hz bandwidth, E-W Yagi at 42 degrees. Now!!" Lab guy, smirking: "It ain't local...." Wayne N6KR > On Mar 25, 2019, at 10:37 AM, Walter Underwood wrote: > >> On Mar 25, 2019, at 11:57 AM, Bert wrote: >> >> Voice interface is OK with household electronics but I doubt we'll >> see it in our transceivers in the near future. > > Instead of ?Hey Siri!? we could say ?Hey Ellie!? to our Elecraft gear. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Mar 25 13:56:19 2019 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 10:56:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens In-Reply-To: <895f8e34-2165-21fe-47f1-32e7014b5af2@embarqmail.com> References: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> <0541430F-5FD0-4FCA-9FE2-7D4B80AF11FE@w2xj.net> <895f8e34-2165-21fe-47f1-32e7014b5af2@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: We've always provided a host API that access to virtually 100% of the controls so voice interfaces can be designed for attached computers. This would be true even if we did a radio with a touch screen. And as I said earlier, the emphasis should be on hard controls for things used most often. Wayne N6KR > On Mar 25, 2019, at 9:02 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Touch screens do not provide support for blind amateur operators. Elecraft has always said they will provide support for blind operators. > I just wonder how touchscreens fit into that commitment. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/25/2019 11:18 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote: >> While those are certainly advantages, there are several disadvantages. Number 1 on my personal hit parade: they aren?t tactile. You have to look at them to operate them. Which means, for you, another distraction. For me, it means extra support (think VoiceOver on iOS, Talkback on Android, VoiceView on the Amazon Fire things). So far, none of the ham radio manufacturers has implemented anything like that, and so touch screen interfaces on a lot of stuff are out of my reach, as it were. Of course, knobs and switches and buttons have the advantage of being able to be manipulated without having to see where they are. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From Andy at rickham.net Mon Mar 25 14:00:23 2019 From: Andy at rickham.net (Andy McMullin) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 18:00:23 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <85580C9B-69D6-4DEE-B831-D5BEC99546BE@yahoo.com> <94ffd6e7-2ced-39cd-76f8-248e81ecba89@kj0f.com> <4BEDA746-A0A2-44D8-9CA2-F8F32823434E@mac.com> <64350170-d439-4e7e-d58d-37fb3e1aa853@bell.net> Message-ID: <761DF0A1-6ED9-4435-BDD4-053268E22D67@rickham.net> No good for me. Our (electric) car is already called Ellie. Sent from my iPhone On 25 Mar 2019, at 17:37, Walter Underwood wrote: > > Instead of ?Hey Siri!? we could say ?Hey Ellie!? to our Elecraft gear. > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj From ve7xf at shaw.ca Mon Mar 25 14:01:24 2019 From: ve7xf at shaw.ca (Ralph Parker) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 11:01:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? voice recognition Message-ID: <1a7a8880-0421-7bfd-b42c-93811186df56@shaw.ca> > I guess an audio response to your verbal instruction is possible... Except when the guy on the other end of your rag-chew says "QRT", and your radio turns itself off. VE7XF From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Mon Mar 25 14:02:42 2019 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 10:02:42 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 Message-ID: <201903251803.x2PI3V9J021204@mail46c28.carrierzone.com> Re: K4 with touch-pad. Not all will want that. I suggest it made as and add-on accessory in matching cabinet and include spectrum display (of course). On the main radio a simple screen on/off switch to go from manual controls to touch-screen. Maybe it could do double-duty as remote panel with IP interface. Keep diversity dual-Rx and provide I/Q interface for both Rx or include a top-end ADC's for computer I/F (suggest you look at the UADC4 to see a top-end unit). An ext I/Q connection as alternate to internal ADC is another option. Soundcards are old fashion way do ADC and most fall short of the performance spec of the radio. Please keep the K4/10 option vs K4/100. KXPA100 works well with both my K3/10 and KX3. If you do a K4/500 please make that an option. Kit versions such as done with K3 would be nice. Trying to embed digital mode sw is not a good idea as there is constant upgrading to many. Unless you intend to install a dedicated micro internal to the radio (please shield well for digital noise). Then either mouse/keyboard or touch screen keyboard is needed. If direct-conversion SDR is to be used can freq range include 2m. If you want to play in the satellite market then also need 432-438 MHz and crossband duplex with 144-MHz. Also ensure freq range extends to 630m band. A better approach to covering 144/222/432/900/1296 would be a transverter accessory box. Consider PLL LO's referenced to 10-MHz std. At least 25w on VHF+. Please use N-connectors on 144+. Better NB/NR Others have covered the rest, so not going to repeat all. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From lists at w2irt.net Mon Mar 25 14:06:14 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 14:06:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <62C817F9-BA25-4EBF-859E-0A552A8617D8@elecraft.com> References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <85580C9B-69D6-4DEE-B831-D5BEC99546BE@yahoo.com> <94ffd6e7-2ced-39cd-76f8-248e81ecba89@kj0f.com> <62C817F9-BA25-4EBF-859E-0A552A8617D8@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <037001d4e335$6fdbe1c0$4f93a540$@w2irt.net> I'm not a fan of touch screens personally. Never have been, never will be. I prefer transceivers with discrete controls. When the money became available for a top of the line transceiver it was down to two: K3 or Yaesu FTDX 5000. The only reason I bought the K3s at the time was the Yaesu was about 2" wider than the opening in the desk (it previously held a Mark-V). I loved the plethora of physical buttons and the nicer display on that radio, but the extreme performance of the K3s, coupled with its size, ultimately sealed the deal. Take the guts of a K3s, make some improvements as needed, add discrete band buttons, TCP/IP remote control, and I/Q out and that's all I'd ever want or need from a radio. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 12:56 PM To: Bert Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4? > On Mar 25, 2019, at 9:10 AM, Bert wrote: > > Touch screens are unavoidable! The trick is to provide a full complement of "hard" controls for functions accessed most frequently, "in the heat of battle," as they say, while leveraging the touch screen for its versatility. Touchable fields can be added as a backup/shortcut to hard controls. A touch screen inherently offers immediate context-sensitive feedback and in many cases reduced time/effort. Examples include signal selection, zooming, etc. Zooming should also be done right, by resampling at narrower resolution -- is shouldn't just be a "blow-up" of the original pixels, as implemented on some existing radios. Ultimately, get what you pay for. That said, current prices for "high-end" super-radios are ridiculous; they're two to four times higher than necessary. Not only that, they're not configurable or upgradeable. Very un-Elecraft like. Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From kkinderen at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 14:18:58 2019 From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin der Kinderen) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 14:18:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? voice recognition In-Reply-To: <1a7a8880-0421-7bfd-b42c-93811186df56@shaw.ca> References: <1a7a8880-0421-7bfd-b42c-93811186df56@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Yes... but did he say OK ELECRAFT first? On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 2:01 PM Ralph Parker wrote: > > I guess an audio response to your verbal instruction is possible... > > Except when the guy on the other end of your rag-chew says "QRT", and your > radio turns itself off. > > VE7XF > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From w0fm at swbell.net Mon Mar 25 14:20:54 2019 From: w0fm at swbell.net (Terry Schieler) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 13:20:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <85580C9B-69D6-4DEE-B831-D5BEC99546BE@yahoo.com> <94ffd6e7-2ced-39cd-76f8-248e81ecba89@kj0f.com> <4BEDA746-A0A2-44D8-9CA2-F8F32823434E@mac.com> <64350170-d439-4e7e-d58d-37fb3e1aa853@bell.net> Message-ID: <005301d4e337$7c7a6710$756f3530$@swbell.net> Or, perhaps....."Hey ELMER" ;o) Terry, W?FM -----Original Message----- From: Walter Underwood [mailto:wunder at wunderwood.org] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 12:38 PM To: Elecraft mail list Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4? > On Mar 25, 2019, at 11:57 AM, Bert wrote: > > Voice interface is OK with household electronics but I doubt we'll see > it in our transceivers in the near future. Instead of ?Hey Siri!? we could say ?Hey Ellie!? to our Elecraft gear. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Mar 25 14:29:36 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 11:29:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <9f1bda39-3ecd-f9b3-6b91-85590434a28f@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 3/25/2019 6:15 AM, Morgan Bailey wrote: > SO2R with out ground loop problems ..or Rock solid SO2R solution...for k3s > or other radios. I have the MK2R+ and I want a better solution. Simple solution -- implement proper bonding in your station. Described here http://k9yc.com/GroundingAndAudio.pdf and in N0AX's recent ARRL book on the topic. 73, Jim K9YC From W2xj at w2xj.net Mon Mar 25 14:35:33 2019 From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 14:35:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <035d01d4e333$b255ed40$1701c7c0$@w2irt.net> References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <85580C9B-69D6-4DEE-B831-D5BEC99546BE@yahoo.com> <94ffd6e7-2ced-39cd-76f8-248e81ecba89@kj0f.com> <4BEDA746-A0A2-44D8-9CA2-F8F32823434E@mac.com> <64350170-d439-4e7e-d58d-37fb3e1aa853@bell.net> <035d01d4e333$b255ed40$1701c7c0$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: I?ve read a lot of interesting ideas relating mostly to features. Here are some cutting (or should I say bleeding) edge ideas. The most radical would be to eliminate linear amplification on transmit. Instead, go with a class E design and in DSP generate EER compatible signals. This is how very high powered commercial transmitters do SSB but any waveform can be generated that way. Efficiency goes to nearly 90% as opposed to less than 50% for a linear. IMD can be lower than -80 db while power consumption is reduced and there is less heat to remove. This would be a radical departure from the competition and work well in portable operation. Bluetooth audio in and out. As previously discussed, a built in webserver that is compatible with all devices adhering to HTML standards along with SNMP compatibility. And, of course, the well discussed touchscreen. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Mar 25 14:47:16 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 11:47:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <10D27AD6-3D6E-4E72-A14F-5420396E1AC2@voodoolab.com> References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <2434b664-bcf2-2ca0-a629-a76ef4352311@blomand.net> <8F13DDA7-DF0F-475C-B2D4-66611F89B94D@mac.com> <4afe1189-1f89-6632-12d7-91a1f1454554@blomand.net> <169b5a200d8.27ed.14c6b13c7ed59fae568d444850bac2c3@arrl.net> <10D27AD6-3D6E-4E72-A14F-5420396E1AC2@voodoolab.com> Message-ID: <37be69c8-eeda-b074-9b89-82dd57dd7756@audiosystemsgroup.com> Me too -- my first station was a surplus BC-459 Command set for 40M, modified and given to me by one of the hams in the club that taught me CW and radio theory, and an S38D receiver.? On a trip to Manhattan, my dad later bought me an ARC5? for 80M for which he paid about $15 from a shop on "radio row" in lower Manhattan that advertised in the back pages of QST. He described it as pretty rough territory.? A few years of saving from summer jobs got me much better receiver, a BC348. 73, Jim K9YC On 3/25/2019 10:38 AM, Josh Fiden wrote: > Wow! Guess I was living on the other side of the tracks! > > 73 > Josh W6XU > > Sent from my mobile device > >> On Mar 25, 2019, at 9:51 AM, W2xj wrote: >> >> When I was in high school my first station was Collins S Line and a triband beam on a 50 foot tower. Also, a Viking 500. From rv6amark at yahoo.com Mon Mar 25 14:50:31 2019 From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (Mark Petiford) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 18:50:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens In-Reply-To: <29dfecf4-04a4-4cfa-86fa-858ba7ffb3f7@kj0f.com> References: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> <29dfecf4-04a4-4cfa-86fa-858ba7ffb3f7@kj0f.com> Message-ID: <1386301482.10773650.1553539831617@mail.yahoo.com> RE:? You assume that touch screens are inherently unreliable. Try to convince and F22 pilot of that, or a 777 gunnery crew. You assume that aircraft with flat panel displays utilize touch screens.? The military aircraft I have worked (Design Engineering) that have flat panel displays do NOT utilize touch displays.? The reasons are primarily touch resolution, and stability. Military pilots must be able to select functions while wearing heavy gloves, so they do not have great resolution as to where their touch will land.? They must also be able to reliably select functions during high G loading, both natural (turbulence) and induced (maneuvering).? Consequently, their flat displays usually consist of the main display, surrounded by hardware buttons (switches) which are separated with raised "dividers" or "walls" to separate the buttons. These buttons have small on-screen labels that change depending on which screen is being displayed.? We used to call these "soft buttons". I could go on, but will stop with that.? While I love the modern flat screen color displays (my uBITX will have one soon),? I must side with Wayne in that the functions that must be addressed when time is critical (can't remember how Wayne described it) should be hard buttons or "soft buttons" noted above). Mark, KE6BB On Monday, March 25, 2019, 8:45:26 AM PDT, Doug Person wrote: You assume that touch screens are inherently unreliable. Try to convince and F22 pilot of that, or a 777 gunnery crew. There is so much military hardware that is dependent on touch screens that your argument just doesn't hold up. This technology is decades old now. You may find some poorly designed stuff that is unreliable. But, its due to poor design - both physically and in software. Hopefully, if there is a touch screen K4, the K3s will stay around for those that prefer buttons and switches. Doug -- KJ0F From alorona at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 25 14:51:40 2019 From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 18:51:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens In-Reply-To: References: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> <0541430F-5FD0-4FCA-9FE2-7D4B80AF11FE@w2xj.net> <895f8e34-2165-21fe-47f1-32e7014b5af2@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <896285231.9781866.1553539900350@mail.yahoo.com> I don't think you guys understood me. I shouldn't have veiled my concern with a tongue-in-cheek post. So I will be direct. I was referring to the physiological event of touching a screen with a finger. It must be just me, because a large percentage of the time a touch screen does not respond to my finger. I have experienced this at ATMs, at the self checkout at Home Depot, at the airport, on my smart phone, etc. When you have to stand there, tapping over and over to get them to respond, touch screens just aren't as reliable, responsive, accurate, or fast as a control. Touch screens are beautiful, but they seem to ignore me. My fingers are low-capacitance, I guess! For that reason, I wouldn't tolerate one any more than I would tolerate a sticky volume control that took three or four twists before the volume turned up. None of us would put up with that. I'm a little surprised others haven't had the same experience as Thaddeus. Maybe they're just too shy to admit it. The next time you tap something on your phone, and you have to tap again to get it to work, I want you to think of me. Al? W6LX From nelasat at yahoo.com Mon Mar 25 14:58:46 2019 From: nelasat at yahoo.com (Keith Ennis) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 18:58:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: K144XV 2 meter internal module for sale. References: <470529044.10784534.1553540326413.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <470529044.10784534.1553540326413@mail.yahoo.com> Missing email:? nelasat (at) Yahoo (dot) com Elecraft P3, P3TXMON & DCHF-2000?? Excellent condition.? Selling for $725 with free shipping.? Cleared check or MO. Can take PayPal if you want to pay.? 73,? Keith, KV5J? Keith From nelasat at yahoo.com Mon Mar 25 15:02:13 2019 From: nelasat at yahoo.com (Keith Ennis) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 19:02:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: P3 with P3TXMON for sale References: <1234505725.10785465.1553540533578.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1234505725.10785465.1553540533578@mail.yahoo.com> email: nelasat (at) yahoo (dot) com?Elecraft P3, P3TXMON & DCHF-2000?? Excellent condition.? ? Selling for $725 with free shipping.? Cleared check or MO. Can take PayPal if you want to pay.? ? 73,? ? Keith, KV5J? ? From ghyoungman at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 15:09:14 2019 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 15:09:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <85580C9B-69D6-4DEE-B831-D5BEC99546BE@yahoo.com> <94ffd6e7-2ced-39cd-76f8-248e81ecba89@kj0f.com> <4BEDA746-A0A2-44D8-9CA2-F8F32823434E@mac.com> <64350170-d439-4e7e-d58d-37fb3e1aa853@bell.net> <035d01d4e333$b255ed40$1701c7c0$@w2irt.net> Message-ID: <803A9C3F-F1D3-4717-BCAA-0F3A0AE02F72@gmail.com> It is of some note that (except for a niggle here or there including the elimination of all possible noise ? good luck with that) there hasn?t been much said about basic performance of the radio. That?s for good reason. I would like to see a feature that would eliminate all ?shouting at the K3? anytime one?s attached Windows-something computer running 15 ham radio apps gets confused and can?t talk to the radio or screws something up :-) Most of the feature requests seem to be related to contesting or remote operation or the furthering of the evolutionary enhancement of the index finger ? but not being a gamer myself, I?m perfectly happy with a radio being just a ? ah ? um ? compact, lightweight, transportable (and portable) high performance radio. Bogged down into a larger and heavier box? ? not so much. I replaced several of those larger, heavier, and perfectly adequate boxes with a K3 for a reason. It would be hard to go back. Now, all that might change if the new one was truly ?spectacular? and made the K3 look like a DX-20 by comparison ? the right radio could be better than food on the table :-). And I do like the EER idea. Grant NQ5T K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 > On Mar 25, 2019, at 2:35 PM, W2xj wrote: > > I?ve read a lot of interesting ideas relating mostly to features. Here are some cutting (or should I say bleeding) edge ideas. > > The most radical would be to eliminate linear amplification on transmit. Instead, go with a class E design and in DSP generate EER compatible signals. This is how very high powered commercial transmitters do SSB but any waveform can be generated that way. Efficiency goes to nearly 90% as opposed to less than 50% for a linear. IMD can be lower than -80 db while power consumption is reduced and there is less heat to remove. This would be a radical departure from the competition and work well in portable operation. > From richard at lamont.me.uk Mon Mar 25 15:14:41 2019 From: richard at lamont.me.uk (Richard Lamont) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 19:14:41 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> References: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> Message-ID: On 25/03/2019 00:14, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote: > Inquiring minds want to know: > What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? Something like the Flex / Anan SDRs, but with RX performance to match the K3S. So maybe a 24-bit direct-sampling SDR, if such a thing is even possible, with a open-source cross-platform application to drive it. (For me, Windows = showstopper.) 73, Richard G4DYA From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Mar 25 15:16:34 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 12:16:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <62C817F9-BA25-4EBF-859E-0A552A8617D8@elecraft.com> References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <85580C9B-69D6-4DEE-B831-D5BEC99546BE@yahoo.com> <94ffd6e7-2ced-39cd-76f8-248e81ecba89@kj0f.com> <62C817F9-BA25-4EBF-859E-0A552A8617D8@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <4d14633c-5520-ef6e-b25b-d925419d6497@audiosystemsgroup.com> Things I would like to see in a K4: Fix the Pin One Problems on the I/O board and front panel mic input and ditch the transformers, which are not required if proper bonding is implemented in the station. Pure Signal. Greatly improved noise reduction. The best I've ever heard was demonstrated to me by former neighbor NR0V (author of Pure Signal) in software he wrote for ANAN SDR radios -- it is an order of magnitude better than anything I've ever heard. Ethernet and USB interface for audio and control. I/Q output. Improved P3 functionality -- greater amplitude resolution, ability to interface with contest logging software like N1MM. It would be great to have the electronics inside the transceiver, with output to a computer monitor. Maintain the small footprint, keep the spectral display in a separate box if necessary to make it fit so that it can be above, on either side of the radio, or even somewhere else. All of this can be very important in making a lot of functionality fit on an operating desk.? My P3s sit on top of the K3s. As much as possible support for remote operation built in. 73, Jim K9YC From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Mon Mar 25 15:18:41 2019 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 12:18:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens In-Reply-To: <1386301482.10773650.1553539831617@mail.yahoo.com> References: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> <29dfecf4-04a4-4c fa-86fa-858ba7ffb3f7@kj0f.com> <1386301482.10773650.1553539831617@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Speaking of F22s, I got to see a demo of one at this weekend's airshow at DMAFB.? Also on hand were the USAF Thunderbirds.? I think there are a lot politicians who should have to attend one of these to see how tax money should be spent. I understand the gloves comment.? It's a PITA to have to remove my gloves while driving to simply change a radio station. On 3/25/2019 11:50 AM, Mark Petiford via Elecraft wrote: > RE:? You assume that touch screens are inherently unreliable. Try to convince > and F22 pilot of that, or a 777 gunnery crew. > > You assume that aircraft with flat panel displays utilize touch screens.? The military aircraft I have worked (Design Engineering) that have flat panel displays do NOT utilize touch displays.? The reasons are primarily touch resolution, and stability. > > Military pilots must be able to select functions while wearing heavy gloves, so they do not have great resolution as to where their touch will land.? They must also be able to reliably select functions during high G loading, both natural (turbulence) and induced (maneuvering).? Consequently, their flat displays usually consist of the main display, surrounded by hardware buttons (switches) which are separated with raised "dividers" or "walls" to separate the buttons. These buttons have small on-screen labels that change depending on which screen is being displayed.? We used to call these "soft buttons". > > > I could go on, but will stop with that.? While I love the modern flat screen color displays (my uBITX will have one soon),? I must side with Wayne in that the functions that must be addressed when time is critical (can't remember how Wayne described it) should be hard buttons or "soft buttons" noted above). > > Mark, > KE6BB > From radioham at mchsi.com Mon Mar 25 15:23:48 2019 From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 14:23:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens In-Reply-To: <895f8e34-2165-21fe-47f1-32e7014b5af2@embarqmail.com> References: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> <0541430F-5FD0-4FCA-9FE2-7D4B80AF11FE@w2xj.net> <895f8e34-2165-21fe-47f1-32e7014b5af2@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: What I was thinking. But in addition let me add something else that would limit who could use it. I have a progressively worsening case of tremor in my hands. Grabbing a knob and turning it works fine but hitting a specific spot on a screen is a hit or miss operation. The finer the detail the worse it is. Add to that the problem I have with touch screens not recognizing my finger makes it worse. David K0LUM > On Mar 25, 2019, at 11:02 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Touch screens do not provide support for blind amateur operators. Elecraft has always said they will provide support for blind operators. > I just wonder how touchscreens fit into that commitment. > > 73, > Don W3FPR From doug at kj0f.com Mon Mar 25 15:28:44 2019 From: doug at kj0f.com (Doug Person) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 14:28:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <62C817F9-BA25-4EBF-859E-0A552A8617D8@elecraft.com> References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <85580C9B-69D6-4DEE-B831-D5BEC99546BE@yahoo.com> <94ffd6e7-2ced-39cd-76f8-248e81ecba89@kj0f.com> <62C817F9-BA25-4EBF-859E-0A552A8617D8@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <980f14c5-77c2-6ee2-e110-cdda6476cd25@kj0f.com> What is most desirable when combining analog controls and digital interfaces is the ability to assign functions to various switches and buttons. These can be arranged around the screen so that the control labels can be "soft" while the controls themselves are "hard". E.g., not everyone uses squelch, or rarely change cw sending speed. Being able to customize your control configuration would be very desirable. Different modes, different functions assigned to controls. This way, the number of controls are minimized while providing the best combination of hard controls for a particular mode or operating environment. Doug -- KJ0F On 3/25/2019 11:56 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> On Mar 25, 2019, at 9:10 AM, Bert wrote: >> >> Touch screens are unavoidable! > > The trick is to provide a full complement of "hard" controls for functions accessed most frequently, "in the heat of battle," as they say, while leveraging the touch screen for its versatility. > > Touchable fields can be added as a backup/shortcut to hard controls. A touch screen inherently offers immediate context-sensitive feedback and in many cases reduced time/effort. Examples include signal selection, zooming, etc. Zooming should also be done right, by resampling at narrower resolution -- is shouldn't just be a "blow-up" of the original pixels, as implemented on some existing radios. > > Ultimately, get what you pay for. That said, current prices for "high-end" super-radios are ridiculous; they're two to four times higher than necessary. Not only that, they're not configurable or upgradeable. Very un-Elecraft like. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- 73 de Doug -- KJ0F From KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Mon Mar 25 15:31:33 2019 From: KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 12:31:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens In-Reply-To: <896285231.9781866.1553539900350@mail.yahoo.com> References: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> <0541430F-5FD0-4FCA-9FE2-7D4B80AF11FE@w2xj.net> <895f8e34-2165-21fe-47f1-32e7014b5af2@embarqmail.com> <896285231.9781866.1553539900350@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <63085c9c-5356-0b83-5908-87b71ecaad93@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> The argument for is simple, and compelling for a company like Elecraft. I know that my KX3 has functions that were not even dreamed of when the front panel layout and silkscreen were finalized. They've cleverly added these modes and functions by "overloading" buttons -- push twice, push and hold, etc. If the front panel is a touch-screen with the buttons drawn in, the panel layout can be updated as part of a firmware upgrade. For a manufacturer who releases a new model every few months and never enhances the existing products, the argument is not as compelling. -- Lynn On 3/25/2019 11:51 AM, Al Lorona wrote: > I don't think you guys understood me. I shouldn't have veiled my concern with a tongue-in-cheek post. > > So I will be direct. I was referring to the physiological event of touching a screen with a finger. It must be just me, because a large percentage of the time a touch screen does not respond to my finger. I have experienced this at ATMs, at the self checkout at Home Depot, at the airport, on my smart phone, etc. When you have to stand there, tapping over and over to get them to respond, touch screens just aren't as reliable, responsive, accurate, or fast as a control. > > Touch screens are beautiful, but they seem to ignore me. My fingers are low-capacitance, I guess! For that reason, I wouldn't tolerate one any more than I would tolerate a sticky volume control that took three or four twists before the volume turned up. None of us would put up with that. > > I'm a little surprised others haven't had the same experience as Thaddeus. Maybe they're just too shy to admit it. > > The next time you tap something on your phone, and you have to tap again to get it to work, I want you to think of me. > > Al? W6LX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From doug at kj0f.com Mon Mar 25 15:34:08 2019 From: doug at kj0f.com (Doug Person) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 14:34:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <64350170-d439-4e7e-d58d-37fb3e1aa853@bell.net> References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <85580C9B-69D6-4DEE-B831-D5BEC99546BE@yahoo.com> <94ffd6e7-2ced-39cd-76f8-248e81ecba89@kj0f.com> <4BEDA746-A0A2-44D8-9CA2-F8F32823434E@mac.com> <64350170-d439-4e7e-d58d-37fb3e1aa853@bell.net> Message-ID: <7cce9f37-37cc-6cfd-9d24-a6bd256a78ec@kj0f.com> It's actually very cheap to do. You could program a voice chip with an arduino or raspberry pi. It's more "should you" rather than "could you". And then consider people with a handicap. A voice option would be a God-send for the sight impaired and those with poor hand/eye coordination or who suffer from conditions that make manipulating small knobs difficult. Doug --KJ0F On 3/25/2019 11:57 AM, Bert wrote: > Hi Phil, > > Voice interface is OK with household electronics but I doubt we'll see it > in our transceivers in the near future. The ham radio market is probably > too small to make this feature commercially viable. Again, dollars and > cents! > OMHO! > > Bert VE3NR > > > > On 3/25/2019 12:23 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: >> I believe many future electronic devices will not have a touch >> screen.? They will have a voice interface.? In fact, a number of >> devices in my home right now are voice operated and it seems to work >> just fine and this capability is improving rapidly in the industry. >> >> For example, my 2018 Toyota RAV4/Hybrid has a touch screen system.? I >> also have my iPhone coupled to the RAV4 so I make calls hands free >> merely by saying something like "Siri, call home".? I also play music >> I have on my iPhone.? Instead of using the touch-screen music >> browsing system, I merely say "Siri, play Beatles One" or whatever.? >> I have actually named my music playlists with names easy to use Siri >> for this interface. >> >> And, instead of doing simple time-zone arithmetic, I have the habit >> of saying "Alexa, what is GMT time for now".? Alexa answers clearly >> with date and time. >> >> phil, K7PEH >> >>> On Mar 25, 2019, at 9:10 AM, Bert wrote: >>> >>> Touch screens are unavoidable! Most future electronic devices will >>> have have touch screens as I/O interface. >>> >>> You can wish whatever you want, but if the device/radio is not >>> commercially viable, it will never happen, >>> i.e. it always comes down to dollars and cents! >>> >>> BTW, the best device you have is between your ears! ;-) >>> >>> Bert VE3NR >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/25/2019 11:51 AM, Doug Person wrote: >>>> Modern screens last a long time and don't suffer nearly as much >>>> from burn-in. They can also be replaced. >>>> >>>> Doug -- KJ0F >>>> >>>> On 3/24/2019 10:58 PM, mrkgnthr--- via Elecraft wrote: >>>>> I keep seeing all the desires for a big color screen.? I have seen >>>>> too many of these color screens that have burn in and failure.? I >>>>> like my nice yellow screen that is always readable, and if damaged >>>>> can be replaced for less than the cost of a new radio.? I like a >>>>> radio that I can pick up and carry without straining my back.??? I >>>>> like the separate modules that can be upgraded.? The price was a >>>>> little steep, but every time I turn it on I smile and know it was >>>>> worth it >>>>> >>>>> Mark.? WB7TLK >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 24, 2019, at 20:38, John_N1JM wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> This message has no content. >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- 73 de Doug -- KJ0F From doug at kj0f.com Mon Mar 25 15:38:41 2019 From: doug at kj0f.com (Doug Person) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 14:38:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> <8908207a-8658-f8f9-8eb8-258968b53587@kj0f.com> Message-ID: <0f6a406e-75f6-5775-a38c-a5dd3fafc57e@kj0f.com> Even if it's just an application installed into an integrated computer? This would not be folding the source into other code. It's just installing it into a computer that happens to be inside another device. It wouldn't be firmware. It would be the same as when I run it on my Raspberry Pi. Doug --KJ0F On 3/25/2019 12:01 PM, Neil Zampella wrote: > FWIW .. the FT8 code is not 'open source' it is under the General Public > License v3.?? According to the GPL v3 FAQ: > > "You cannot incorporate GPL-covered software in a proprietary system. > The goal of the GPL is to grant everyone the freedom to copy, > redistribute, understand, and modify a program. If you could incorporate > GPL-covered software into a nonfree system, it would have the effect of > making the GPL-covered software nonfree too." > > So in reality, unless the firmware is then made available under the GPL > v3, which I don't see Elecraft doing, you can't use FT8 in the firmware. > > Neil, KN3iLZ > > On 3/25/2019 11:57 AM, Doug Person wrote: >> I think you misunderstand open source. Doug -- KJ0F >> >> On 3/25/2019 7:37 AM, rich hurd WC3T wrote: >>> "integrated FT8" will never happen.? If I'm not mistaken, FT8 is open >>> source and incorporating that software with its licensing requirements >>> could expose Elecraft to all sorts of exposure; as their software is >>> NOT >>> open-source. >>> >>> At least I believe I read that somewhere.?? That's my belief. Sort of >>> the same reason HRD or other licensed, closed-source apps do not >>> incorporate FT8 or any of those derivatives into their software.?? They >>> simply can't. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 1:08 AM Martin Sole wrote: >>> >>>> Well since you asked and made this sort of official, here's a few >>>> things, though in no particular order of merit: >>>> >>>> Integrated 7? (or bigger) panadaptor with touch screen. >>>> >>>> ?Proper? band stacking registers. >>>> >>>> Equal sized vfo knobs for A and B. >>>> >>>> Individual mode buttons. >>>> >>>> AGC, NB, NR all with front panel controls adjustable on the fly. >>>> >>>> More digital mode integration, built in FT8 with up-gradable >>>> software as >>>> digi modes develop. >>>> >>>> Integrated PSU for 100-250 Vac. >>>> >>>> 50V minimum PA. >>>> >>>> Ground Breaking earth shattering TX IMD. >>>> >>>> Using the built in touch screen full descriptive menu. >>>> >>>> Bigger rotary controls with more space. >>>> >>>> RF performance equal to or better than best of the best. >>>> >>>> Modular design with bare bones to fully loaded capability. >>>> >>>> PA options from 10 to 500 watts fully integrated with ATU >>>> (KPA500/KAT500). >>>> >>>> I/Q output. >>>> >>>> Proper base station radio without concern for portability (K3S is >>>> already the leader there). >>>> >>>> More extensive API giving ability to do literally everything the radio >>>> can do from a computer. >>>> >>>> Removeable head so the base radio can be remoted and the control head >>>> used from where you need to be. >>>> >>>> More ?And?, less ?Either or? (Mic/Line selection level etc). >>>> >>>> >>>> Martin, HS0ZED >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 25/03/2019 07:14, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote: >>>>> Inquiring minds want to know: >>>>> What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? >>>>> >>>>> Eric >>>>> elecraft.com >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >>> > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- 73 de Doug -- KJ0F From rv6amark at yahoo.com Mon Mar 25 15:39:58 2019 From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (Mark Petiford) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 19:39:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens In-Reply-To: <896285231.9781866.1553539900350@mail.yahoo.com> References: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> <0541430F-5FD0-4FCA-9FE2-7D4B80AF11FE@w2xj.net> <895f8e34-2165-21fe-47f1-32e7014b5af2@embarqmail.com> <896285231.9781866.1553539900350@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <938948640.10795987.1553542798342@mail.yahoo.com> RE:? "...a large percentage of the time a touch screen does not respond to my finger." I thought it was just me!? I also have a problem with selecting the wrong thing, which is extremely time consuming and frustrating.? That is probably due to my essential tremors which have increased with my age, as expected.? That kept me from selling my KX3 and buying an IC-7300 (LOVE the screen!)...well, that and portability and Elecraft support and the KX3 receiver and... Mark KE6BB On Monday, March 25, 2019, 11:53:30 AM PDT, Al Lorona wrote: ...It must be just me, because a large percentage of the time a touch screen does not respond to my finger. I have experienced this at ATMs, at the self checkout at Home Depot, at the airport, on my smart phone, etc. When you have to stand there, tapping over and over to get them to respond, touch screens just aren't as reliable, responsive, accurate, or fast as a control. ...I'm a little surprised others haven't had the same experience as Thaddeus. Maybe they're just too shy to admit it. The next time you tap something on your phone, and you have to tap again to get it to work, I want you to think of me. Al? W6LX ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From doug at kj0f.com Mon Mar 25 15:41:26 2019 From: doug at kj0f.com (Doug Person) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 14:41:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <2434b664-bcf2-2ca0-a629-a76ef4352311@blomand.net> <8F13DDA7-DF0F-475C-B2D4-66611F89B94D@mac.com> <4afe1189-1f89-6632-12d7-91a1f1454554@blomand.net> <169b5a200d8.27ed.14c6b13c7ed59fae568d444850bac2c3@arrl.net> <10D27AD6-3D6E-4E72-A14F-5420396E1AC2@voodoolab.com> <280e01d8-2675-aa5b-4199-18c913d8e8a2@bell.net> Message-ID: <89cc36f3-54d7-e7e0-7361-62ebd6e8486c@kj0f.com> Geeeeze! That's exactly what I had in 1962! Doug -- KJ0F On 3/25/2019 12:52 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > As and affluent high school kid,?? I built my own 6DQ6 CW > transmitter/crystal oscillator with most of the parts recovered from? > junk TV sets.?? And I bought a used S-38B receiver.?? I was a ham for > 40 years before I obtained my Collins station. > > Many years and radios later, today there is a complete K Line on my > operating desk.?? It just doesn't get any better and I'm delighted in > the experience and knowledge gained along the way. > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > > On 3/25/2019 12:41 PM, Bert wrote: >> I could only dream about Collins, living on the other side of the >> pond at that time! >> >> Bert VE3NR? (SM7BUR) >> >> >> >> On 3/25/2019 1:38 PM, Josh Fiden wrote: >>> Wow! Guess I was living on the other side of the tracks! >>> >>> 73 >>> Josh W6XU >>> >>> Sent from my mobile device >>> >>>> On Mar 25, 2019, at 9:51 AM, W2xj wrote: >>>> >>>> When I was in high school my first station was Collins S Line and a >>>> triband beam on a 50 foot tower. Also, a Viking 500. >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- 73 de Doug -- KJ0F From rv6amark at yahoo.com Mon Mar 25 15:43:45 2019 From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (Mark Petiford) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 19:43:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <94ffd6e7-2ced-39cd-76f8-248e81ecba89@kj0f.com> References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <85580C9B-69D6-4DEE-B831-D5BEC99546BE@yahoo.com> <94ffd6e7-2ced-39cd-76f8-248e81ecba89@kj0f.com> Message-ID: <618761603.10787137.1553543025420@mail.yahoo.com> RE:? "...They can also be replaced." ...and prices have come way down in the last 5 years or so. Mark, KE6BB On Monday, March 25, 2019, 8:52:33 AM PDT, Doug Person wrote: Modern screens last a long time and don't suffer nearly as much from burn-in. They can also be replaced. Doug -- KJ0F From gkidder at ilstu.edu Mon Mar 25 15:46:36 2019 From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (Kidder, George) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 19:46:36 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? Voice commands In-Reply-To: References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <85580C9B-69D6-4DEE-B831-D5BEC99546BE@yahoo.com> <94ffd6e7-2ced-39cd-76f8-248e81ecba89@kj0f.com> <4BEDA746-A0A2-44D8-9CA2-F8F32823434E@mac.com> <64350170-d439-4e7e-d58d-37fb3e1aa853@bell.net> Message-ID: <3464b632-faf9-e726-7fa7-295a9128fda1@ilstu.edu> I have a distorted vision of the following: Your K4 is on SSB, tuned to the net you are checked into.? Your VOX is on - you forgot. Your K4 (VOX already activated)? "Ellie, turn on the VOX" At 13 other K4 stations, the speaker repeats "Ellie, turn on the VOX", and these 13 rigs respond by doing so. 13 operators, not wanting the VOX on, say "Ellie, turn off the VOX", which, since the VOX is now on, is transmitted (nearly simultaneously) on the net frequency. (etc. - complete or alter events to suit your own distorted imagination!) It is enough to make a cow (Elsie) laugh. George, W3HBM On 3/25/2019 1:37 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > [This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to abuse at ilstu.edu] > >> On Mar 25, 2019, at 11:57 AM, Bert wrote: >> >> Voice interface is OK with household electronics but I doubt we'll see it >> in our transceivers in the near future. > Instead of ?Hey Siri!? we could say ?Hey Ellie!? to our Elecraft gear. > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From kzerocx at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 15:50:31 2019 From: kzerocx at gmail.com (Gary Peterson) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 13:50:31 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 Message-ID: <68B609B1BE024D228FC34FF4F3AEACED@WIN7LowProfile> In the past few years, I have thought of a couple of desirable features that should be fairly easy to implement in a modern transceiver: First, a ?back? or ?undo? button, not unlike an Internet browser. Each press would undo the previous control change. This could eliminate the pregnant pause that follows a ?fat-finger? or ?oops,? while trying to figure out what the heck I just did that put the radio in a less-than-desirable condition. Being able to quickly undo the last three or four button presses would be really neat. Second, being able to program ?transmit enable? for the amateur bands with one?s license/frequency/mode privileges. This would prevent someone with a general class license from transmitting LSB below 7178 or CW below 7025 in the 40 meter band. After the general class licensee upgrades to extra class, the radio would prevent them from transmitting LSB, below 7128, for example. Many times, I have heard amateurs accidentally transmitting outside their allocated sub-bands, in the ?heat of the moment,? while chasing DX. Gary, K?CX ?Inquiring minds want to know: What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? Eric elecraft.com? From doug at kj0f.com Mon Mar 25 15:55:58 2019 From: doug at kj0f.com (Doug Person) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 14:55:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens In-Reply-To: <895f8e34-2165-21fe-47f1-32e7014b5af2@embarqmail.com> References: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> <0541430F-5FD0-4FCA-9FE2-7D4B80AF11FE@w2xj.net> <895f8e34-2165-21fe-47f1-32e7014b5af2@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1711f4a2-93f4-7c23-dbae-9fd9bd7d04c8@kj0f.com> Voice response. Voice modules have been available for various rigs for sometime. They don't listen and do what you ask. But they will read the S-meter, tell you what frequency/band you're one. It with be technically easy to build a small option box that would handle a voice interface. If a web server is built into a radio, a voice interface could be managed as a web app. There are many possibilities. Doug -- KJ0F On 3/25/2019 11:02 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Touch screens do not provide support for blind amateur operators. > Elecraft has always said they will provide support for blind operators. > I just wonder how touchscreens fit into that commitment. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/25/2019 11:18 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote: >> While those are certainly advantages, there are several >> disadvantages. Number 1 on my personal hit parade: they aren?t >> tactile. You have to look at them to operate them. Which means, for >> you, another distraction. For me, it means extra support (think >> VoiceOver on iOS, Talkback on Android, VoiceView on the Amazon Fire >> things). So far, none of the ham radio manufacturers has implemented >> anything like that, and so touch screen interfaces on a lot of stuff >> are out of my reach, as it were. Of course, knobs and switches and >> buttons have the advantage of being able to be manipulated without >> having to see where they are. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- 73 de Doug -- KJ0F From doug at kj0f.com Mon Mar 25 16:01:49 2019 From: doug at kj0f.com (Doug Person) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 15:01:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? Voice commands In-Reply-To: <3464b632-faf9-e726-7fa7-295a9128fda1@ilstu.edu> References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <85580C9B-69D6-4DEE-B831-D5BEC99546BE@yahoo.com> <94ffd6e7-2ced-39cd-76f8-248e81ecba89@kj0f.com> <4BEDA746-A0A2-44D8-9CA2-F8F32823434E@mac.com> <64350170-d439-4e7e-d58d-37fb3e1aa853@bell.net> <3464b632-faf9-e726-7fa7-295a9128fda1@ilstu.edu> Message-ID: <10247944-f8bc-cf82-5d4b-285c47aaa7fe@kj0f.com> Mic for voice response is integrated into the radio. It is listening all the time. Wouldn't work otherwise. "Ellie, turn on the VOX" "I'm sorry Dave. You aren't paying attention. The VOX is already on..." Doug -- KJ0F On 3/25/2019 2:46 PM, Kidder, George wrote: > I have a distorted vision of the following: > > Your K4 is on SSB, tuned to the net you are checked into.? Your VOX is > on - you forgot. > > Your K4 (VOX already activated)? New features can be added. > > At 13 other K4 stations, the speaker repeats "Ellie, turn on the VOX", > and these 13 rigs respond by doing so. > > 13 operators, not wanting the VOX on, say "Ellie, turn off the VOX", > which, since the VOX is now on, is transmitted (nearly simultaneously) > on the net frequency. > > (etc. - complete or alter events to suit your own distorted imagination!) > > It is enough to make a cow (Elsie) laugh. > > George, W3HBM > > On 3/25/2019 1:37 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >> [This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to abuse at ilstu.edu] >> >>> On Mar 25, 2019, at 11:57 AM, Bert wrote: >>> >>> Voice interface is OK with household electronics but I doubt we'll see it >>> in our transceivers in the near future. >> Instead of ?Hey Siri!? we could say ?Hey Ellie!? to our Elecraft gear. >> >> wunder >> K6WRU >> Walter Underwood >> CM87wj >> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- 73 de Doug -- KJ0F From k4zrj at icloud.com Mon Mar 25 16:05:36 2019 From: k4zrj at icloud.com (Charles Johnson) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 16:05:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K4 request Message-ID: <1063D0C0-4EEB-4FFB-A70A-1E0B7CF4468E@icloud.com> I use the K3?s sub receiver quite a bit. My request is the display on the K4 should have enough real estate to show the same information for the sub receiver that is now shown for the main receiver, such as band width, NR, NB, shift, lo cut, hi cut, and of course, frequency. Please, no more ?B SET? to get to the sub receiver?s operating parameters. Touch screen? I would rather not have reach over and touch the screen (and hopefully not touch the wrong place) to change one of the radio?s basic functions. In fact, I could do without a touch screen altogether. 73, Charles, K4ZRJ From n8sbe at arrl.net Mon Mar 25 16:21:11 2019 From: n8sbe at arrl.net (Dave New, N8SBE) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 13:21:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?b?SzQ/?= Message-ID: <20190325132111.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.cd503669c0.wbe@email09.godaddy.com> I agree. The radios I've seen with touch screens are a real compromise in usability. Either the screen is too small to be useful, or it is so big that many hard controls are sacrificed to avoid making the front panel too large. The worst are the PC-based interfaces, where all hard controls are eliminated. The IC-7300 is a case in point. When I first encountered one, I gave up trying to figure out how to change bands, and had to ask the owner. Of course, you just touch the MHz digit on the display! Obvious, I suppose, in retrospect. The problem with touch displays is similar to 'hidden' mouse movements on PCs. Unless you've read the manual or had someone show you, it is entirely not obvious how to do cool things with the mouse. How many folks know that on Windows 7/10 if you drag a window to the right or left side of the screen, that it will magically re-size to fill just the right-half or the left-half of the screen? Makes it super simple to place two instances of the file explorer side-by-side to assist in doing drag 'n drop operations between windows. How many know that if you drag the winnow top edge (as in a resize operation) to the top of the screen it will automatically fill the screen top to bottom? And if you subsequently drag it off the top, the window will snap back to its original size and position? How many know that if you grab a window title bar, and shake the mouse, that all other windows will minimize? And if you shake the window again, they all come back? I'd bet that at least some of you just learned something about your PC that you didn't know before. There is a least another dozen cool things (like using Ctl-Windows-right or -left arrow on Windows 10 to access multiple desktops of windows). So, how do you implement cool touch- or mouse-movements without leaving novice users in the dust? That's the $64,000 question. 73, -- Dave, N8SBE -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4? From: Wayne Burdick Date: Mon, March 25, 2019 12:56 pm To: Bert Cc: Elecraft Reflector The trick is to provide a full complement of "hard" controls for functions accessed most frequently, "in the heat of battle," as they say, while leveraging the touch screen for its versatility. Touchable fields can be added as a backup/shortcut to hard controls. A touch screen inherently offers immediate context-sensitive feedback and in many cases reduced time/effort. Examples include signal selection, zooming, etc. Zooming should also be done right, by resampling at narrower resolution -- is shouldn't just be a "blow-up" of the original pixels, as implemented on some existing radios. Ultimately, get what you pay for. That said, current prices for "high-end" super-radios are ridiculous; they're two to four times higher than necessary. Not only that, they're not configurable or upgradeable. Very un-Elecraft like. Wayne N6KR From elecraft.list at videotron.ca Mon Mar 25 16:39:03 2019 From: elecraft.list at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 16:39:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <8W6Rh2g5yk1KR8W6Th47aj@videotron.ca> References: <8W6Rh2g5yk1KR8W6Th47aj@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <01f501d4e34a$c9c3bb80$5d4b3280$@videotron.ca> Hi, I agree the 7300 leaves a lot to be wanted for the touch screen. It's not the most intuitive. I too had to look in the manual to figure out how to change bands! On the other hand, the IC-7610 is much more intuitive most likely due to increased real-estate of the display. The menus for example are very easy to get used to. The key point, is that the most used functions are buttons, but the touch screen makes things like the menus very easy to use. One of my pet peeves of the all in one radios is that the spectrum screens are pretty poor in resolution. I have yet to see any hardware panadapter that has the display quality of the P3. 73 Tom -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Dave New, N8SBE Sent: March 25, 2019 4:21 PM To: Wayne Burdick ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4? I agree. The radios I've seen with touch screens are a real compromise in usability. Either the screen is too small to be useful, or it is so big that many hard controls are sacrificed to avoid making the front panel too large. The worst are the PC-based interfaces, where all hard controls are eliminated. The IC-7300 is a case in point. When I first encountered one, I gave up trying to figure out how to change bands, and had to ask the owner. Of course, you just touch the MHz digit on the display! Obvious, I suppose, in retrospect. The problem with touch displays is similar to 'hidden' mouse movements on PCs. Unless you've read the manual or had someone show you, it is entirely not obvious how to do cool things with the mouse. How many folks know that on Windows 7/10 if you drag a window to the right or left side of the screen, that it will magically re-size to fill just the right-half or the left-half of the screen? Makes it super simple to place two instances of the file explorer side-by-side to assist in doing drag 'n drop operations between windows. How many know that if you drag the winnow top edge (as in a resize operation) to the top of the screen it will automatically fill the screen top to bottom? And if you subsequently drag it off the top, the window will snap back to its original size and position? How many know that if you grab a window title bar, and shake the mouse, that all other windows will minimize? And if you shake the window again, they all come back? I'd bet that at least some of you just learned something about your PC that you didn't know before. There is a least another dozen cool things (like using Ctl-Windows-right or -left arrow on Windows 10 to access multiple desktops of windows). So, how do you implement cool touch- or mouse-movements without leaving novice users in the dust? That's the $64,000 question. 73, --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From rv6amark at yahoo.com Mon Mar 25 16:42:06 2019 From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (Mark Petiford) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 20:42:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <980f14c5-77c2-6ee2-e110-cdda6476cd25@kj0f.com> References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <85580C9B-69D6-4DEE-B831-D5BEC99546BE@yahoo.com> <94ffd6e7-2ced-39cd-76f8-248e81ecba89@kj0f.com> <62C817F9-BA25-4EBF-859E-0A552A8617D8@elecraft.com> <980f14c5-77c2-6ee2-e110-cdda6476cd25@kj0f.com> Message-ID: <1176415340.10857027.1553546526930@mail.yahoo.com> RE:? "What is most desirable when combining analog controls and digital interfaces is the ability to assign functions to various switches and buttons..." EXCELLENT, Doug!!!? The best of both worlds! In the aircraft world, both pilots have several multi-display screens, each with an array of hardware buttons arranged around them.? While their individual buttons may not be re-assignable, each display can be assigned to a specific function such as flight instruments, fuel system, weapons system, radar, etc. In the case of a K4, that amount of real estate isn't available in a reasonable radio size, so the ability to assign functions to each button would be the next best thing.? User customizable hardware, beautiful color touch screen, flexibility for future expansion/changes, Elecraft ingenuity. Mark KE6BB On Monday, March 25, 2019, 1:19:08 PM PDT, Doug Person wrote: What is most desirable when combining analog controls and digital interfaces is the ability to assign functions to various switches and buttons. These can be arranged around the screen so that the control labels can be "soft" while the controls themselves are "hard". E.g., not everyone uses squelch, or rarely change cw sending speed. Being able to customize your control configuration would be very desirable. Different modes, different functions assigned to controls. This way, the number of controls are minimized while providing the best combination of hard controls for a particular mode or operating environment. Doug -- KJ0F From raysills3 at verizon.net Mon Mar 25 16:55:39 2019 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Raymond Sills) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 20:55:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> <8908207a-8658-f8f9-8eb8-258968b53587@kj0f.com> Message-ID: <1032388704.9843890.1553547339359@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Neil: I haven't read the fine print of the various software licenses, but it seems to me that FT8 is a "digital mode" and it might possibly be able to generate FT8 compatible reception and transmission in multiple ways.Or, it might be possible to include a tiny linux computer inside a K4, into which you can load the FT8 software, so it would always be in it's own universe... and not part of the radio's OS. I'm sure that having FT8 as a choosable mode in a K4 would be a popular idea. ?Having said that, I'm pretty much a CW guy now... although I find it fun to be able to send and receive RTTY and PSK31 with my KX3. 73 de RayK2ULRKX3 #211FN20kg -----Original Message----- From: Neil Zampella To: elecraft Sent: Mon, Mar 25, 2019 1:03 pm Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 FWIW .. the FT8 code is not 'open source' it is under the General Public License v3.?? According to the GPL v3 FAQ: "You cannot incorporate GPL-covered software in a proprietary system. The goal of the GPL is to grant everyone the freedom to copy, redistribute, understand, and modify a program. If you could incorporate GPL-covered software into a nonfree system, it would have the effect of making the GPL-covered software nonfree too." So in reality, unless the firmware is then made available under the GPL v3, which I don't see Elecraft doing, you can't use FT8 in the firmware. Neil, KN3iLZ From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Mar 25 16:59:39 2019 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 13:59:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <0f6a406e-75f6-5775-a38c-a5dd3fafc57e@kj0f.com> References: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> <8908207a-8658-f8f9-8eb8-258968b53587@kj0f.com> <0f6a406e-75f6-5775-a38c-a5dd3fafc57e@kj0f.com> Message-ID: Ummm ... I think there are two issues here: The algorithms, coding, and modulation schemes for transmitting and receiving what has come to be known as FT8, and separately, the source code to implement all of that.? The second is subject to the terms of the GPL V3 license, the first would not seem to be.? So, all Elecraft would have to do is re-invent the WSPR-X FT8 their own proprietary way for whatever processor they use.? Just a few lines of code, should take about a week. :-) 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 3/25/2019 12:38 PM, Doug Person wrote: > Even if it's just an application installed into an integrated > computer? This would not be folding the source into other code. It's > just installing it into a computer that happens to be inside another > device. It wouldn't be firmware. It would be the same as when I run it > on my Raspberry Pi. > > Doug --KJ0F > > On 3/25/2019 12:01 PM, Neil Zampella wrote: >> FWIW .. the FT8 code is not 'open source' it is under the General Public >> License v3.?? According to the GPL v3 FAQ: >> >> "You cannot incorporate GPL-covered software in a proprietary system. >> The goal of the GPL is to grant everyone the freedom to copy, >> redistribute, understand, and modify a program. If you could incorporate >> GPL-covered software into a nonfree system, it would have the effect of >> making the GPL-covered software nonfree too." >> >> So in reality, unless the firmware is then made available under the GPL >> v3, which I don't see Elecraft doing, you can't use FT8 in the firmware. >> >> Neil, KN3iLZ >> From turnbull at net1.ie Mon Mar 25 18:01:11 2019 From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 22:01:11 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <62C817F9-BA25-4EBF-859E-0A552A8617D8@elecraft.com> References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com><1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com><85580C9B-69D6-4DEE-B831-D5BEC99546BE@yahoo.com><94ffd6e7-2ced-39cd-76f8-248e81ecba89@kj0f.com> <62C817F9-BA25-4EBF-859E-0A552A8617D8@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Wayne, Upgradeable, God I like Elecraft and might I add modular is also very nice so that one can gradually grow the rig to meek pocketbook and needs. 73 Doug EI2CN -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: 25 March 2019 16:56 To: Bert Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4? > On Mar 25, 2019, at 9:10 AM, Bert wrote: > > Touch screens are unavoidable! The trick is to provide a full complement of "hard" controls for functions accessed most frequently, "in the heat of battle," as they say, while leveraging the touch screen for its versatility. Touchable fields can be added as a backup/shortcut to hard controls. A touch screen inherently offers immediate context-sensitive feedback and in many cases reduced time/effort. Examples include signal selection, zooming, etc. Zooming should also be done right, by resampling at narrower resolution -- is shouldn't just be a "blow-up" of the original pixels, as implemented on some existing radios. Ultimately, get what you pay for. That said, current prices for "high-end" super-radios are ridiculous; they're two to four times higher than necessary. Not only that, they're not configurable or upgradeable. Very un-Elecraft like. Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Mar 25 18:11:58 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 15:11:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <1032388704.9843890.1553547339359@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> <8908207a-8658-f8f9-8eb8-258968b53587@kj0f.com> <1032388704.9843890.1553547339359@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 3/25/2019 1:55 PM, Raymond Sills via Elecraft wrote: > I'm sure that having FT8 as a choosable mode in a K4 would be a popular idea. I think it's a terrible idea, if for no other reason that Joe Taylor's modes have always evolved over the years to make them better. Also, it's trivially easy to connect computer audio to the radio audio and control the radio from the USB or serial port, and VOX is all you need for T/R switching. I do agree with K4ZRJ's request for easier control of the sub-RX. And I have no interest in a touch screen. 73, Jim K9YC From W2xj at w2xj.net Mon Mar 25 18:25:24 2019 From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 18:25:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> <8908207a-8658-f8f9-8eb8-258968b53587@kj0f.com> <1032388704.9843890.1553547339359@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3CA2C16A-0300-4E88-B78B-3515F4F33459@w2xj.net> It is easy to run FT8 or other digital modes on a Raspberry PI. Very inexpensive and very small. Sent from my iPad > On Mar 25, 2019, at 6:11 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On 3/25/2019 1:55 PM, Raymond Sills via Elecraft wrote: >> I'm sure that having FT8 as a choosable mode in a K4 would be a popular idea. > > I think it's a terrible idea, if for no other reason that Joe Taylor's modes have always evolved over the years to make them better. Also, it's trivially easy to connect computer audio to the radio audio and control the radio from the USB or serial port, and VOX is all you need for T/R switching. > > I do agree with K4ZRJ's request for easier control of the sub-RX. > > And I have no interest in a touch screen. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From k9yeq at live.com Mon Mar 25 18:25:37 2019 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 22:25:37 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4? In-Reply-To: <81C77D47-A933-4641-983C-6475DEE57138@law.du.edu> References: <81C77D47-A933-4641-983C-6475DEE57138@law.du.edu> Message-ID: How about built-in network remote capability with KPA1500? 72 & 73, Bill K9YEQ FT'er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100, KAT500, W2, etc. -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Dauer, Edward Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 9:13 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4? Wow; there's a tantalizing post. I'll leave the important technical suggestions to others. Here's my list: 1. Seamless backwards compatibility with the KPA1500. Without it, I don't buy a K4. Likewise, though much less important, for the K-Pod. 2. Similar though not necessarily identical form factor to the K3 / K3s. Existing investments in shack design have been built around the current equipment. 3. Built-in remoting. Get rid of the RemoteRig dongles. 4. Whatever it takes, so far as possible, to make connecting any outboard computer to the rig unnecessary for any reason. 5. Upgrading from K3 to K4, as we had for upgrading from K3 to nearly K3s, would be nice but I wouldn't let it stand in the way of major design changes. 6. One tiny matter the absence of which has always just bugged me -- an internal contest QSO S/N counter for the internal memory CW keyer. 7. On-board panadapter. Touch-sensitive screen is not all that desirable. I much prefer soft keys. Keeps the PBJ off the screen. 8. A kit version, as much as feasible. Ted, KN1CBR _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 7:15 PM To: Elecraft list Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 Inquiring minds want to know: What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? Eric elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Mon Mar 25 17:42:55 2019 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 13:42:55 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 Message-ID: <201903252151.x2PLpZ2Q016818@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Page Two: of my K4 ideas. After writing my last post on this topic, it dawned on me the K3 architecture already uses a separate screen box which is the P3. So just expand that to being a touch screen controller with P3 embedded. Then its a option for those that want one. Main radio remains with buttons and knobs and LCD screen which works independently, if desired, or with Touchscreen if desired. The new touchscreen/p3 would make a nice remote rig controller. So interconnect with some kind of IP connection (ethernet, I suppose). I'm not a computer guy so leave details to others. Could such a "critter" work with my K3? Maybe the two units could couple together mechanically to make a single radio unit for those that want that. One of the deciding factors for me choosing the K3 over the existing Flex radio (in 2010) was having a real VFO knob and physical controls. I currently have a 7-inch color-LCD touchscreen in use with a Rasp-Pi3 for controlling antenna tracking. Fortunately does not require frequent touching as my fat fingers do not do well with it. I guess I need a stylus which is another thing to get lost on my messy radio table. Frankly, my upgraded-K3 is fully satisfactory for me. My home station is a jungle of wiring but lets me configure as I want. details: http://www.kl7uw.com/ 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From k9yeq at live.com Mon Mar 25 18:31:35 2019 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 22:31:35 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? voice recognition In-Reply-To: References: <1a7a8880-0421-7bfd-b42c-93811186df56@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Voice recognition to instruct menu changes? WOWzer. 73, Bill K9YEQ https://wrj-tech.com/ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Kevin der Kinderen Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 1:19 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4? voice recognition Yes... but did he say OK ELECRAFT first? On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 2:01 PM Ralph Parker wrote: > > I guess an audio response to your verbal instruction is possible... > > Except when the guy on the other end of your rag-chew says "QRT", and > your radio turns itself off. > > VE7XF > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From rick at eversoles.com Mon Mar 25 18:42:03 2019 From: rick at eversoles.com (Richard Eversole) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 15:42:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> <8908207a-8658-f8f9-8eb8-258968b53587@kj0f.com> <1032388704.9843890.1553547339359@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Touch screens on something in the K3 form factor are of little use... Also own 7100 and that screen is troublesome to use and makes me wish I had gone with K3X and another separate 2m/440 FT8 mode would mean many firmware updates plus not clear how you get all the useful display information... it would just be trouble and not really worth it in the radio. Unlike PSK or RTTY where it is more obvious which signal is being worked... the flexible channel like behavior is just too much for the radio form factor... I like big screens and I just cant deny .... Rick "The Rhino" N6RNO @San Benito October 6-7 2018 Where will you be? http://www.cqp.org On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 3:12 PM Jim Brown wrote: > On 3/25/2019 1:55 PM, Raymond Sills via Elecraft wrote: > > I'm sure that having FT8 as a choosable mode in a K4 would be a popular > idea. > > I think it's a terrible idea, if for no other reason that Joe Taylor's > modes have always evolved over the years to make them better. Also, it's > trivially easy to connect computer audio to the radio audio and control > the radio from the USB or serial port, and VOX is all you need for T/R > switching. > > I do agree with K4ZRJ's request for easier control of the sub-RX. > > And I have no interest in a touch screen. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From W2xj at w2xj.net Mon Mar 25 18:56:02 2019 From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 18:56:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens In-Reply-To: <895f8e34-2165-21fe-47f1-32e7014b5af2@embarqmail.com> References: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> <0541430F-5FD0-4FCA-9FE2-7D4B80AF11FE@w2xj.net> <895f8e34-2165-21fe-47f1-32e7014b5af2@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <4779544B-11CB-49A3-948C-4CCA8CAA676F@w2xj.net> With proper forethought, they can. Proper location of ?buttons? on the screen and an overlay template could provide enough tactual feedback. Sent from my iPad > On Mar 25, 2019, at 12:02 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Touch screens do not provide support for blind amateur operators. Elecraft has always said they will provide support for blind operators. > I just wonder how touchscreens fit into that commitment. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 3/25/2019 11:18 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote: >> While those are certainly advantages, there are several disadvantages. Number 1 on my personal hit parade: they aren?t tactile. You have to look at them to operate them. Which means, for you, another distraction. For me, it means extra support (think VoiceOver on iOS, Talkback on Android, VoiceView on the Amazon Fire things). So far, none of the ham radio manufacturers has implemented anything like that, and so touch screen interfaces on a lot of stuff are out of my reach, as it were. Of course, knobs and switches and buttons have the advantage of being able to be manipulated without having to see where they are. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From sfraley05 at comcast.net Mon Mar 25 19:08:43 2019 From: sfraley05 at comcast.net (Stanley Fraley) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 19:08:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Desired K4 features Message-ID: I also am interested in having I/Q output in a K4, or as a mod for a K3S/P3. I currently use a separate receiver, SDR I/Q, fed from the receiving antenna connection on a K3 with a preamp to account for signal losses. I used this arrangement from American Samoa as single person DX/Vacation expedition. Used in conjunction with CW Simmer, it was very useful in handling CW pileups. I could easily pick out calling stations that were not trying to move to where I had last responded to a call, which then caused a pileup around that frequency rather than spreading them out over several kilohertz. I was able to pick out stations over the full spread each time. I would like to have the same capability without the need for a separate SDR receiver and without taking away the separate receiving antenna. 73, Stan Fraley, WS5K > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 17:14:43 -0700 > From: Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft > To: Elecraft list > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 > Message-ID: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671 at elecraft.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Inquiring minds want to know: > What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? > > Eric > elecraft.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > > >> On 3/24/2019 7:42 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote: >> Honestly, I'm happy with my K3s, but--and I've said this many times >> before--I would gladly pay a premium for an I/Q out add-on board. Honestly, >> that's the one "modern" feature this top-shelf radio is missing as far as >> I'm concerned. >> From edauer at law.du.edu Mon Mar 25 19:38:31 2019 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 23:38:31 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens Message-ID: <7DB5AB86-9FF8-48D2-A8DF-5835630E5A91@law.du.edu> Me too. I never thought of it as low capacitance fingers, but I avoid gas stations whose pumps I know require touch entries for zip codes, in contrast to those with a key pad. As for aircraft, I have no experience in the military but long experience in GA proves right what Wayne said in another post -- if it's really important, it has to feel right. There's a reason why the gear lever in GA craft is shaped like a wheel, the flap actuation switch feels like a flap, the power lever feels like a throttle, and to turn left you either push the stick left or turn the heading bug left. And finally, as the tremors come with age, hitting any but the larger touch-screen buttons requires attention and is increasingly slow. Soft keys afford the flexibility without some of the problems. Ted, KN1CBR ----------------------------- Message: 11 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 18:51:40 +0000 (UTC) From: Al Lorona To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens Message-ID: <896285231.9781866.1553539900350 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I don't think you guys understood me. I shouldn't have veiled my concern with a tongue-in-cheek post. So I will be direct. I was referring to the physiological event of touching a screen with a finger. It must be just me, because a large percentage of the time a touch screen does not respond to my finger. I have experienced this at ATMs, at the self checkout at Home Depot, at the airport, on my smart phone, etc. When you have to stand there, tapping over and over to get them to respond, touch screens just aren't as reliable, responsive, accurate, or fast as a control. Touch screens are beautiful, but they seem to ignore me. My fingers are low-capacitance, I guess! For that reason, I wouldn't tolerate one any more than I would tolerate a sticky volume control that took three or four twists before the volume turned up. None of us would put up with that. I'm a little surprised others haven't had the same experience as Thaddeus. Maybe they're just too shy to admit it. The next time you tap something on your phone, and you have to tap again to get it to work, I want you to think of me. Al? W6LX From eric at elecraft.com Mon Mar 25 20:17:27 2019 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 17:17:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> <8908207a-8658-f8f9-8eb8-258968b53587@kj0f.com> <1032388704.9843890.1553547339359@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <58b23bbb-169e-ed55-929b-dd8b3883e43e@elecraft.com> Folks - Let's end the "Will there be a K4?" , "Touchscreen" and related threads now. Very interesting suggestions and comments, but we are waaaay past the reasonable number of allowed posts on a topic :-) . I was tied up most of the day here and just now got back on reading my email.?? Wow! We apologize for those overloaded by the flood of emails. -threads closed- 73, Eric Moderator and all sorts of other duties at.. /elecraft.com/ From w4kx at mac.com Mon Mar 25 20:17:59 2019 From: w4kx at mac.com (Tom Doligalski) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 20:17:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Garage door interference Message-ID: <75934502-181E-45B6-9788-157F52FBAE0D@mac.com> A while ago someone posted about putting a capacitor across the garage door opener to keep EMI out. Well, I just successfully opened mine using my KPA500 on 40M. Can someone repost? I really don?t want to search back through the dozens of K4 posts! Tom W4KX Sent from my iPad From c-hawley at illinois.edu Mon Mar 25 20:25:51 2019 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 00:25:51 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Garage door interference In-Reply-To: <75934502-181E-45B6-9788-157F52FBAE0D@mac.com> References: <75934502-181E-45B6-9788-157F52FBAE0D@mac.com> Message-ID: I did. Put a .1uF ceramic at the door opener across the connection of the wires going to the button by the kitchen door that operates the garage door. Assuming your opener is like mine... Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of Tom Doligalski via Elecraft Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 7:18 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Garage door interference A while ago someone posted about putting a capacitor across the garage door opener to keep EMI out. Well, I just successfully opened mine using my KPA500 on 40M. Can someone repost? I really don?t want to search back through the dozens of K4 posts! Tom W4KX Sent from my iPad ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jthorpe at liberty.edu Mon Mar 25 20:37:32 2019 From: jthorpe at liberty.edu (Thorpe, Jeffrey) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 00:37:32 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Garage door interference In-Reply-To: References: <75934502-181E-45B6-9788-157F52FBAE0D@mac.com>, Message-ID: Details on just what you did to make this happen would be very interesting... Jeff - KG7HDZ > On Mar 25, 2019, at 5:26 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > > I did. Put a .1uF ceramic at the door opener across the connection of the wires going to the button by the kitchen door that operates the garage door. Assuming your opener is like mine... > > Get Outlook for iOS > > ________________________________ > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of Tom Doligalski via Elecraft > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 7:18 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Garage door interference > > > A while ago someone posted about putting a capacitor across the garage door opener to keep EMI out. > > Well, I just successfully opened mine using my KPA500 on 40M. > > Can someone repost? 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Thanks Sam! Keith From jrichards at k8jhr.com Mon Mar 25 21:07:54 2019 From: jrichards at k8jhr.com (Richards) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 21:07:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4? Message-ID: <10eb6ced-678d-b56e-02df-90951dcbd33d@k8jhr.com> Mr. Eric,? perhaps you are fishing in the wrong pond ... To coin a phrase:?? Ask not why some hams buy your radios - ask why all the others do not. Asking members of this group who are pleased with your products is misplaced.?? Instead, you should poll those who recently purchased, or who contemplate purchasing, competing products. More hams purchase competing products than buy Elecraft gear,? so you should ask THEM why.?? Disregard sycophantic owners who claim you make the only rig worth owning (even if that is true!) Disregard those who claim other manufacturers have lost touch with their customers, because that is simply not true.? Many well informed, qualified hams buy other brands for good reasons.?? In any case, you should determine what induced them to eschew your products for theirs. Contrary to popular belief,? owning Brand X is not a sign of insanity!??? Contest guru K3LR has brand X radios in his big contest shack.? World famous Rob Sherwood NC0B has four of the latest Brand X radios and the latest Brand Y radio on his desk.?? And they are pretty smart guys.?? To increase market share, you must produce products that appeal to more buyers with money to spend.?? (I learned this is Business 101.) ????? ;-) That is just MY take ... you make the call. K8JHR _____________________________ From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Mar 25 21:10:55 2019 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 18:10:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <9396CEB7-EBAD-4EA0-A4B1-98AAB33667D5@elecraft.com> Message-ID: I have a display area 8.5" by 5.25" HDMI etc. display from Adafruit (about $160 or sl) which draws 403mA. I haven't tried it on the P3 yet, but it might work if the P3 will support its resolution. Any radio that has a screen should also support external screens. Then people can configure their stations as space and interest dictate. 73 Bill AE6JV On 3/25/19 at 10:36 AM, n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) wrote: >Yes. 7" diagonal would provide the ideal tradeoff between >screen size and the portion of the front panel dedicated to >hard controls. The display should have much higher resolution >than 800x480 (IC7610), IMHO. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | I don't have high-speed | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | internet. I have DSL. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From k9ma at sdellington.us Mon Mar 25 21:21:58 2019 From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 20:21:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Garage door interference In-Reply-To: References: <75934502-181E-45B6-9788-157F52FBAE0D@mac.com> Message-ID: <646800e7-1139-aee2-9c48-e97b27024980@sdellington.us> All I did when mine had this problem is to wrap each wire entering the opener around a ferrite core a few times. That included the power cord, the wires to the switches, etc. I think there were 3 cores: one for the power cord, one for the switch wires, and one the light light sensor. Generally, all the wires which run together can go through a single core. No capacitors were necessary. All but the power cord a small enough you can get a lot of turns on a small split core. 73, Scott K9MA -- Scott K9MA k9ma at sdellington.us From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Mar 25 21:33:45 2019 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 18:33:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4? In-Reply-To: <10eb6ced-678d-b56e-02df-90951dcbd33d@k8jhr.com> References: <10eb6ced-678d-b56e-02df-90951dcbd33d@k8jhr.com> Message-ID: <7D77D225-BE24-4350-968D-95C1BF97FCE7@elecraft.com> Of course. But we?re not going to tell everyone about our secret fishing spots. This particular pond just happens to be in a very public place. One where we get nibbles on every cast. 73, Wayne N6KR ---- elecraft.com > On Mar 25, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Richards wrote: > > Mr. Eric, perhaps you are fishing in the wrong pond ... > > To coin a phrase: Ask not why some hams buy your radios - ask why all the others do not. > > Asking members of this group who are pleased with your products is misplaced. Instead, you should poll those who recently purchased, or who contemplate purchasing, competing products. More hams purchase competing products than buy Elecraft gear, so you should ask THEM why. Disregard sycophantic owners who claim you make the only rig worth owning (even if that is true!) Disregard those who claim other manufacturers have lost touch with their customers, because that is simply not true. Many well informed, qualified hams buy other brands for good reasons. In any case, you should determine what induced them to eschew your products for theirs. Contrary to popular belief, owning Brand X is not a sign of insanity! Contest guru K3LR has brand X radios in his big contest shack. World famous Rob Sherwood NC0B has four of the latest Brand X radios and the latest Brand Y radio on his desk. And they are pretty smart guys. To increase market share, you must produce products that appeal to more buyers with money to spend. (I learned this is Business 101.) ;-) > > That is just MY take ... you make the call. K8JHR > > _____________________________ > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From kkinderen at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 21:44:53 2019 From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin der Kinderen) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 21:44:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4? In-Reply-To: <10eb6ced-678d-b56e-02df-90951dcbd33d@k8jhr.com> References: <10eb6ced-678d-b56e-02df-90951dcbd33d@k8jhr.com> Message-ID: (I learned this is Business 101.) ;-) Let us know how you do in Business 102. [kidding, couldn't resist] 73, Kev K4VD On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 9:08 PM Richards wrote: > Mr. Eric, perhaps you are fishing in the wrong pond ... > > To coin a phrase: Ask not why some hams buy your radios - ask why all > the others do not. > > Asking members of this group who are pleased with your products is > misplaced. Instead, you should poll those who recently purchased, or > who contemplate purchasing, competing products. More hams purchase > competing products than buy Elecraft gear, so you should ask THEM > why. Disregard sycophantic owners who claim you make the only rig > worth owning (even if that is true!) Disregard those who claim other > manufacturers have lost touch with their customers, because that is > simply not true. Many well informed, qualified hams buy other brands > for good reasons. In any case, you should determine what induced them > to eschew your products for theirs. Contrary to popular belief, owning > Brand X is not a sign of insanity! Contest guru K3LR has brand X > radios in his big contest shack. World famous Rob Sherwood NC0B has > four of the latest Brand X radios and the latest Brand Y radio on his > desk. And they are pretty smart guys. To increase market share, you > must produce products that appeal to more buyers with money to spend. > (I learned this is Business 101.) ;-) > > That is just MY take ... you make the call. K8JHR > > _____________________________ > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From w6jhb at me.com Mon Mar 25 21:45:37 2019 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 18:45:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Garage door interference In-Reply-To: References: <75934502-181E-45B6-9788-157F52FBAE0D@mac.com> Message-ID: Last time I had issues with the garage door having a mind of it?s own when i was on the air, I resolved it by simply placing a few mix 31 ferrites on the control wires. Couple at the door opener box on the ceiling and a couple more by the wired transmitter on the garage wall. That cured it, without having to open the box and so any soldering. Jim / W6JHB > On Monday, Mar 25, 2019, at Monday, 5:25 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > > I did. Put a .1uF ceramic at the door opener across the connection of the wires going to the button by the kitchen door that operates the garage door. Assuming your opener is like mine... > > Get Outlook for iOS > > ________________________________ > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of Tom Doligalski via Elecraft > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 7:18 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Garage door interference > > > A while ago someone posted about putting a capacitor across the garage door opener to keep EMI out. > > Well, I just successfully opened mine using my KPA500 on 40M. > > Can someone repost? I really don?t want to search back through the dozens of K4 posts! > > Tom W4KX > > Sent from my iPad > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html James Bennett w6jhb at me.com From doug at kj0f.com Mon Mar 25 21:59:22 2019 From: doug at kj0f.com (Doug Person) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 20:59:22 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <20190325132111.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.cd503669c0.wbe@email09.godaddy.com> References: <20190325132111.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.cd503669c0.wbe@email09.godaddy.com> Message-ID: <97d7104b-ceda-fa43-dcf1-6ed52632df7e@kj0f.com> Reading the manual in order to learn how to use a complex radio shouldn't be an obstacle. I'm not familiar with "Hidden mouse moves" in Windows. There are 3 buttons and a scroll wheel. They each? have very well-defined functions. Doug -- KJ0F On 3/25/2019 3:21 PM, Dave New, N8SBE wrote: > I agree. > > The radios I've seen with touch screens are a real compromise in > usability. Either the screen is too small to be useful, or it is so big > that many hard controls are sacrificed to avoid making the front panel > too large. The worst are the PC-based interfaces, where all hard > controls are eliminated. > > The IC-7300 is a case in point. When I first encountered one, I gave up > trying to figure out how to change bands, and had to ask the owner. Of > course, you just touch the MHz digit on the display! Obvious, I > suppose, in retrospect. > > The problem with touch displays is similar to 'hidden' mouse movements > on PCs. Unless you've read the manual or had someone show you, it is > entirely not obvious how to do cool things with the mouse. > > How many folks know that on Windows 7/10 if you drag a window to the > right or left side of the screen, that it will magically re-size to fill > just the right-half or the left-half of the screen? Makes it super > simple to place two instances of the file explorer side-by-side to > assist in doing drag 'n drop operations between windows. > How many know that if you drag the winnow top edge (as in a resize > operation) to the top of the screen it will automatically fill the > screen top to bottom? And if you subsequently drag it off the top, the > window will snap back to its original size and position? > How many know that if you grab a window title bar, and shake the mouse, > that all other windows will minimize? And if you shake the window > again, they all come back? > > I'd bet that at least some of you just learned something about your PC > that you didn't know before. There is a least another dozen cool things > (like using Ctl-Windows-right or -left arrow on Windows 10 to access > multiple desktops of windows). > > So, how do you implement cool touch- or mouse-movements without leaving > novice users in the dust? > > That's the $64,000 question. > > 73, > > -- Dave, N8SBE > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4? > From: Wayne Burdick > Date: Mon, March 25, 2019 12:56 pm > To: Bert > Cc: Elecraft Reflector > > The trick is to provide a full complement of "hard" controls for > functions accessed most frequently, "in the heat of battle," as they > say, while leveraging the touch screen for its versatility. > > Touchable fields can be added as a backup/shortcut to hard controls. A > touch screen inherently offers immediate context-sensitive feedback and > in many cases reduced time/effort. Examples include signal selection, > zooming, etc. Zooming should also be done right, by resampling at > narrower resolution -- is shouldn't just be a "blow-up" of the original > pixels, as implemented on some existing radios. > > Ultimately, get what you pay for. That said, current prices for > "high-end" super-radios are ridiculous; they're two to four times higher > than necessary. Not only that, they're not configurable or upgradeable. > Very un-Elecraft like. > > Wayne > N6KR > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- 73 de Doug -- KJ0F From doug at kj0f.com Mon Mar 25 22:02:13 2019 From: doug at kj0f.com (Doug Person) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 21:02:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> <8908207a-8658-f8f9-8eb8-258968b53587@kj0f.com> <0f6a406e-75f6-5775-a38c-a5dd3fafc57e@kj0f.com> Message-ID: <40048d25-1120-303c-bd52-32017dd81182@kj0f.com> If the FT8 program is running on a separate "loosely coupled" computer that is internal, I don't see a problem. Doug --KJ0F On 3/25/2019 3:59 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Ummm ... I think there are two issues here: The algorithms, coding, > and modulation schemes for transmitting and receiving what has come to > be known as FT8, and separately, the source code to implement all of > that.? The second is subject to the terms of the GPL V3 license, the > first would not seem to be.? So, all Elecraft would have to do is > re-invent the WSPR-X FT8 their own proprietary way for whatever > processor they use.? Just a few lines of code, should take about a > week. :-) > > 73, > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > > On 3/25/2019 12:38 PM, Doug Person wrote: >> Even if it's just an application installed into an integrated >> computer? This would not be folding the source into other code. It's >> just installing it into a computer that happens to be inside another >> device. It wouldn't be firmware. It would be the same as when I run >> it on my Raspberry Pi. >> >> Doug --KJ0F >> >> On 3/25/2019 12:01 PM, Neil Zampella wrote: >>> FWIW .. the FT8 code is not 'open source' it is under the General >>> Public >>> License v3.?? According to the GPL v3 FAQ: >>> >>> "You cannot incorporate GPL-covered software in a proprietary system. >>> The goal of the GPL is to grant everyone the freedom to copy, >>> redistribute, understand, and modify a program. If you could >>> incorporate >>> GPL-covered software into a nonfree system, it would have the effect of >>> making the GPL-covered software nonfree too." >>> >>> So in reality, unless the firmware is then made available under the GPL >>> v3, which I don't see Elecraft doing, you can't use FT8 in the >>> firmware. >>> >>> Neil, KN3iLZ >>> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- 73 de Doug -- KJ0F From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Mar 25 22:03:47 2019 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 19:03:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <40048d25-1120-303c-bd52-32017dd81182@kj0f.com> References: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> <8908207a-8658-f8f9-8eb8-258968b53587@kj0f.com> <0f6a406e-75f6-5775-a38c-a5dd3fafc57e@kj0f.com> <40048d25-1120-303c-bd52-32017dd81182@kj0f.com> Message-ID: Me either. Wayne > On Mar 25, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Doug Person wrote: > > If the FT8 program is running on a separate "loosely coupled" computer that is internal, I don't see a problem. > > Doug --KJ0F From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Mar 25 22:08:45 2019 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 19:08:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <97d7104b-ceda-fa43-dcf1-6ed52632df7e@kj0f.com> References: <20190325132111.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.cd503669c0.wbe@email09.godaddy.com> <97d7104b-ceda-fa43-dcf1-6ed52632df7e@kj0f.com> Message-ID: You don't always have a manual around, or internet access. IMHO, a radio with a large LCD should have at least a subset of the owner's manual built-in, with topic search (via both a scrolling TOC and keyboard) as well as context-sensitive help (e.g., "touch any control for information on what it does") and one-level un-do. And there should be a dedicated control for accessing this feature. You shouldn't have to look in a menu for it. I'd label it simply (and iconically) '?'. Wayne N6KR > On Mar 25, 2019, at 6:59 PM, Doug Person wrote: > > Reading the manual in order to learn how to use a complex radio shouldn't be an obstacle. > > I'm not familiar with "Hidden mouse moves" in Windows. There are 3 buttons and a scroll wheel. They each have very well-defined functions. > > Doug -- KJ0F From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Mar 25 22:10:48 2019 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 19:10:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On Mar 25, 2019, at 6:10 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > > Any radio that has a screen should also support external screens. Then people can configure their stations as space and interest dictate. Agreed. And if it were on my desk, I'd want it to be HDMI, supported by the widest range of available monitor types. I'd like to able to specify what's on that screen vs. what's on the LCD, and even assign the HDMI port to an in-box app. Wayne N6KR From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Mar 25 22:12:55 2019 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 19:12:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <68B609B1BE024D228FC34FF4F3AEACED@WIN7LowProfile> References: <68B609B1BE024D228FC34FF4F3AEACED@WIN7LowProfile> Message-ID: <29BE76F5-CF91-46C1-BAFD-1D1C3190297F@elecraft.com> > On Mar 25, 2019, at 12:50 PM, Gary Peterson wrote: > > In the past few years, I have thought of a couple of desirable features that should be fairly easy to implement in a modern transceiver ... being able to program ?transmit enable? for the amateur bands with one?s license/frequency/mode privileges. This would prevent someone with a general class license from transmitting LSB below 7178 or CW below 7025 in the 40 meter band. After the general class licensee upgrades to extra class, the radio would prevent them from transmitting LSB, below 7128, for example. Many times, I have heard amateurs accidentally transmitting outside their allocated sub-bands, in the ?heat of the moment,? while chasing DX. SMOP, just added to my personal wish-list. Thanks. Wayne N6KR From ve3hls at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 22:28:04 2019 From: ve3hls at gmail.com (Kenneth P Alexander) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 09:28:04 +0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4? In-Reply-To: <10eb6ced-678d-b56e-02df-90951dcbd33d@k8jhr.com> References: <10eb6ced-678d-b56e-02df-90951dcbd33d@k8jhr.com> Message-ID: Repeat customers and customer loyalty are the foundations of any successful business. Their word of mouth recommendations are pure gold to any manufacturer, so engaging them in these discussions costs little and pays big dividends. >From what I have read, many of the wish list items are features already found on rigs from other manufacturers, so some of those bases are being covered. That said, polling non-owners is always worthwhile...maybe at hamfests if you can keep the syncophants from crowding the table. What would I like to see? A K3s or a K4 are well beyond my means. I'd like an improved KX3: 1. Dedicated audio inputs/outputs for digital modes. Built in sound card. 2. An ethernet port for easy internet remote control, including a way to turn the the transceiver on and off, plus remote access to every other function (I say this not knowing whether that's possible already now) 3. A method of setting digital mode audio levels that doesn't leave the operator wondering why the meters aren't working. 4. Move further away from the mindset that your customers are hikers and backpackers. You serve them very well already. If my theoretical KX3s grew to the size of a K2 that would not bother me. 73, Ken Alexander (still VE3HLS) So Phisai, Thailand Blog: bueng-ken.com On Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 08:08 Richards wrote: > Mr. Eric, perhaps you are fishing in the wrong pond ... > > To coin a phrase: Ask not why some hams buy your radios - ask why all > the others do not. > > Asking members of this group who are pleased with your products is > misplaced. Instead, you should poll those who recently purchased, or > who contemplate purchasing, competing products. More hams purchase > competing products than buy Elecraft gear, so you should ask THEM > why. Disregard sycophantic owners who claim you make the only rig > worth owning (even if that is true!) Disregard those who claim other > manufacturers have lost touch with their customers, because that is > simply not true. Many well informed, qualified hams buy other brands > for good reasons. In any case, you should determine what induced them > to eschew your products for theirs. Contrary to popular belief, owning > Brand X is not a sign of insanity! Contest guru K3LR has brand X > radios in his big contest shack. World famous Rob Sherwood NC0B has > four of the latest Brand X radios and the latest Brand Y radio on his > desk. And they are pretty smart guys. To increase market share, you > must produce products that appeal to more buyers with money to spend. > (I learned this is Business 101.) ;-) > > That is just MY take ... you make the call. K8JHR > > _____________________________ > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From byron at n6nul.org Mon Mar 25 22:54:21 2019 From: byron at n6nul.org (Byron Servies) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 19:54:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K4? In-Reply-To: <3232e9df-6280-8514-38ae-b7b68b25b6f4@embarqmail.com> References: <442343DD-926B-45E7-80FC-39FC96A9F552@yahoo.com> <1553485090708-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <2434b664-bcf2-2ca0-a629-a76ef4352311@blomand.net> <8F13DDA7-DF0F-475C-B2D4-66611F89B94D@mac.com> <4afe1189-1f89-6632-12d7-91a1f1454554@blomand.net> <3232e9df-6280-8514-38ae-b7b68b25b6f4@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: I adore my Grey Line system, and still have a few XVs here to complete. I understand it is technically inferior to my K-Line, but I enjoy it more. The K1's receiver, in particular, is delightful. A K2S would be tremendous, even if the instructions involved a toaster oven (which I use often for SMD single sided boards). Baring that, I would ask for other useful hands-on ham-radio kits that are not plug-in boards. When I first sold all of my Y-line appliances and built a K1/4 kit, nothing prepared me for the instructional value of tuning an inductor with a plastic probe! So valuable to me, I cannot even describe it. Then, of course, I had to learn morse code to use it, which is another story. I fully understand that Elecraft needs to make commercial products that are profitable enough to support the business. But a guy can dream. I'll buy two, I promise. 73, Byron N6NUL On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 8:29 AM Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Based on that thinking, it may be that Elecraft could produce an SMD > version of the K2 in that price class - call it the "K2S". > Yes, it would not be a full kit like the current K2, but would solve a > lot of problems that are encountered with the disappearing of Thru-hole > components from the marketplace. > > The current K2 design even though 20 years old still has a competitive > receiver (see the Sherwood RX listing), and many hams appreciate the > fully analog design - which could be ported to SMD with board layout > design but not the basic analog circuitry. Using black paint would > differentiate it from the current gray K2. > - www.cqp.org From byron at n6nul.org Mon Mar 25 23:10:50 2019 From: byron at n6nul.org (Byron Servies) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 20:10:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <29BE76F5-CF91-46C1-BAFD-1D1C3190297F@elecraft.com> References: <68B609B1BE024D228FC34FF4F3AEACED@WIN7LowProfile> <29BE76F5-CF91-46C1-BAFD-1D1C3190297F@elecraft.com> Message-ID: I am that ham. Once or twice a year, in the heat of the chase and spinning the dial, I blow it, and hate myself for months after. The real solution is for me to finally bother to study for and pass Extra, but still, that would be a tremendous feature for other fools like me. 73, Byron N6NUL On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 7:13 PM Wayne Burdick wrote: > > > > On Mar 25, 2019, at 12:50 PM, Gary Peterson wrote: > > > > In the past few years, I have thought of a couple of desirable features that should be fairly easy to implement in a modern transceiver ... being able to program ?transmit enable? for the amateur bands with one?s license/frequency/mode privileges. This would prevent someone with a general class license from transmitting LSB below 7178 or CW below 7025 in the 40 meter band. After the general class licensee upgrades to extra class, the radio would prevent them from transmitting LSB, below 7128, for example. Many times, I have heard amateurs accidentally transmitting outside their allocated sub-bands, in the ?heat of the moment,? while chasing DX. > > > SMOP, just added to my personal wish-list. Thanks. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 5-6 Oct 2019 - www.cqp.org From rich at wc3t.us Mon Mar 25 23:26:29 2019 From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 23:26:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: <68B609B1BE024D228FC34FF4F3AEACED@WIN7LowProfile> <29BE76F5-CF91-46C1-BAFD-1D1C3190297F@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Selfishly, that?s why I continued to study for the Extea Class. Then I went and really blew it by becoming a MARS operator. ;) On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 23:10 Byron Servies wrote: > I am that ham. Once or twice a year, in the heat of the chase and > spinning the dial, I blow it, and hate myself for months after. > > The real solution is for me to finally bother to study for and pass > Extra, but still, that would be a tremendous feature for other fools > like me. > > 73, Byron N6NUL > > On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 7:13 PM Wayne Burdick wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 25, 2019, at 12:50 PM, Gary Peterson wrote: > > > > > > In the past few years, I have thought of a couple of desirable > features that should be fairly easy to implement in a modern transceiver > ... being able to program ?transmit enable? for the amateur bands with > one?s license/frequency/mode privileges. This would prevent someone with a > general class license from transmitting LSB below 7178 or CW below 7025 in > the 40 meter band. After the general class licensee upgrades to extra > class, the radio would prevent them from transmitting LSB, below 7128, for > example. Many times, I have heard amateurs accidentally transmitting > outside their allocated sub-bands, in the ?heat of the moment,? while > chasing DX. > > > > > > SMOP, just added to my personal wish-list. Thanks. > > > > Wayne > > N6KR > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > -- > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the Cal QSO Party 5-6 Oct 2019 > - www.cqp.org > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- 72, Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737 Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: *FN20is* From tchrme at aol.com Mon Mar 25 23:30:02 2019 From: tchrme at aol.com (Mike Lichtman) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 20:30:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Product and K4 Suggestions Message-ID: <5B50AD48-F956-44AA-84F4-287CD85DFA37@aol.com> In reading the K4 product suggestions posted so far, noise blanker/noise elimination seems to be a common thread. I have written in the past about the need for improvement in the NB and NR on my KX3. I would like to see Elecraft come out with a really affective noise reduction unit (can be stand alone). It could combine improved versions of the NB and NR, a phasing unit (like the MFJ 1026-which really works well), and audio filtering. With all the noise on the bands lately, this would be welcomed in the marketplace. As far as the K4, the most common suggestions seem to be to change the color of the display, get a monitor screen / blend the P3 and K3. All front panel issues. While Elecraft has featured the modular approach, I think expanding on this might be the key to pleasing a variety of tastes in a cost efficient way. Have two choices of front panels that tailor the K4 to different displays and knobs vs touchscreen. The transceiver internals could continue to be modularly upgraded (like the K3 to K3S) and the front panels could be made backwards compatible to the K3/K3s in the Elecraft tradition. This would place the upgrades in an affordable price band and could be done incrementally. Most hams can afford $1000 to $2000 but not $5000+. 73 Mike KF6KXG From esteptony at gmail.com Mon Mar 25 23:58:20 2019 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 22:58:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Why not a KX4? Message-ID: Actually the KX3 is pretty hard to improve, but the one obvious consideration is that the internal batteries should be LiPo. Another possibility would be a different way to generate the oscillator freq to ensure super-stability; even after the refrigerator procedure mine drifts -3 or -4 Hz in a WSPR interval, which is right at the ragged edge. I can't think of any other changes but others may. 73, Tony KT0NY From stevesgt at effable.com Tue Mar 26 00:19:44 2019 From: stevesgt at effable.com (Steve Sergeant) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 21:19:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Why not a KX4? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54790e09-c070-953d-2658-4becd23ee6fc@effable.com> My wish list for the KX3 would be to serve as K2 replacement, price/performance wise. While I could list some UI and under-the-hood improvements, and I agree with Tony's suggestion below, I want to make a form-factor suggestion. I'm imagining the KX3 repackaged so that it can be used alone as a QRP rig, but can also be docked-into a larger chassis (K2-sized?) as its front panel. That lager box could include integration of the guts of the KXPA100, a bigger battery (like 6_Ah or so), a bigger speaker, a flip-up or flip-out (on a side) display for an integral PX3 replacement. (Or better from my perspective, a WiFi or Bluetooth interface sending waterfall data to a phone or tablet app?) Have it both ways: A high-end QRP rig, or a reasonably compact 100W full-featured portable. DE KC6ZKT --... ...-- PS: Tony, my KX2 seems more frequency stable than my KX3 on WSPR. On 3/25/19 20:58 PM, Tony Estep wrote: > Actually the KX3 is pretty hard to improve, but the one obvious > consideration is that the internal batteries should be LiPo. Another > possibility would be a different way to generate the oscillator freq to > ensure super-stability; even after the refrigerator procedure mine drifts > -3 or -4 Hz in a WSPR interval, which is right at the ragged edge. I can't > think of any other changes but others may. > > 73, > Tony KT0NY From jrichards at k8jhr.com Tue Mar 26 00:20:19 2019 From: jrichards at k8jhr.com (Richards) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 00:20:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4? In-Reply-To: <7D77D225-BE24-4350-968D-95C1BF97FCE7@elecraft.com> References: <10eb6ced-678d-b56e-02df-90951dcbd33d@k8jhr.com> <7D77D225-BE24-4350-968D-95C1BF97FCE7@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <5fa7aebd-fafc-976c-15ef-ad2688c877c4@k8jhr.com> RIGHT ON, Mr. Wayne? !!???? Good answer. K8JHR -------------------------------------------- On 3/25/2019 9:33 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Of course. But we?re not going to tell everyone about our secret > fishing spots. > > This particular pond just happens to be in a very public place. One > where we get nibbles on every cast. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Mar 26 00:59:55 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 21:59:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: References: <1553469439466-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <891354f1-6dea-0b8b-b2e5-ff78a21c509e@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 3/24/2019 4:39 PM, John Stengrevics wrote: > Cardinal rule of business: New products, new products, new products. Also a great way to go out of biz, getting rolled over by much bigger companies with much higher volume. Wayne and Eric know their place in the ham market -- indeed, they have defined it! 73, Jim K9YC From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Tue Mar 26 03:21:11 2019 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 23:21:11 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Why not a KX4? Message-ID: <201903260721.x2Q7LEoH018070@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> The KX3 appeals to the portable operator better than the larger K2. Certainly some upgrades for it would be desirable. But my KX3 replaced a FT-817. Main use is for mobile coupled with KXPA100 and 2m amplifier (I have the 2M module). The other prime use is as a 2m IF for my portable mw station where 1w is sufficient on 2m to drive the 10 GHz transverter. Glad to have IQ I/F for digital modes or spectrum sw run in a laptop. Better freq stability on 6m & 2m would be nice. BTW the KX3 has been used on 2m-eme for DXpeditions where small size matters. Its small enough to pack in my carry-on luggage. 73, Ed - KL7UW ------------------------------ From: Steve Sergeant To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Why not a KX4? Message-ID: <54790e09-c070-953d-2658-4becd23ee6fc at effable.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 My wish list for the KX3 would be to serve as K2 replacement, 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From djwilcox01 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 26 04:50:47 2019 From: djwilcox01 at yahoo.com (David Wilcox) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 04:50:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens In-Reply-To: <895f8e34-2165-21fe-47f1-32e7014b5af2@embarqmail.com> References: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> <0541430F-5FD0-4FCA-9FE2-7D4B80AF11FE@w2xj.net> <895f8e34-2165-21fe-47f1-32e7014b5af2@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <59A7D0F4-6F00-43DF-9C7A-0A879103CF18@yahoo.com> Don, I have a blind ham friend and all his touch screens talk back to him when he touches something..... he can use his iPad, iPod and iPhone faster than I can. It?s in the programming as it is a special program he has for each. Another miracle for our blind brothers. And, that is why he bought Icom gear. He said they were the only company to offer plug in ?talker? boards for their xcvr. Still using his 756 Pro, 500 w Icom amp and LDG talking SWR meter. Dave K8WPE David J. Wilcox K8WPE?s iPad > On Mar 25, 2019, at 12:02 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Touch screens do not provide support for blind amateur operators. Elecraft has always said they will provide support for blind operators. > I just wonder how touchscreens fit into that commitment. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 3/25/2019 11:18 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote: >> While those are certainly advantages, there are several disadvantages. Number 1 on my personal hit parade: they aren?t tactile. You have to look at them to operate them. Which means, for you, another distraction. For me, it means extra support (think VoiceOver on iOS, Talkback on Android, VoiceView on the Amazon Fire things). So far, none of the ham radio manufacturers has implemented anything like that, and so touch screen interfaces on a lot of stuff are out of my reach, as it were. Of course, knobs and switches and buttons have the advantage of being able to be manipulated without having to see where they are. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From foxfive.vjc at gmail.com Tue Mar 26 07:08:05 2019 From: foxfive.vjc at gmail.com (F5vjc) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 12:08:05 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens In-Reply-To: <59A7D0F4-6F00-43DF-9C7A-0A879103CF18@yahoo.com> References: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> <0541430F-5FD0-4FCA-9FE2-7D4B80AF11FE@w2xj.net> <895f8e34-2165-21fe-47f1-32e7014b5af2@embarqmail.com> <59A7D0F4-6F00-43DF-9C7A-0A879103CF18@yahoo.com> Message-ID: If the latest touch screens are anything like my "Smartphone" you can keep them! Either they do not respond instantly or the processor is " Busy" doing something else. This to me extremely irritating and frustrating. How do the plethora of 7300 users find their screens work for them? 73 F5VJC On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 at 09:51, David Wilcox via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > Don, > > I have a blind ham friend and all his touch screens talk back to him when > he touches something..... he can use his iPad, iPod and iPhone faster than > I can. It?s in the programming as it is a special program he has for > each. Another miracle for our blind brothers. And, that is why he bought > Icom gear. He said they were the only company to offer plug in ?talker? > boards for their xcvr. Still using his 756 Pro, 500 w Icom amp and LDG > talking SWR meter. > > Dave K8WPE > > David J. Wilcox K8WPE?s iPad > > > On Mar 25, 2019, at 12:02 PM, Don Wilhelm > wrote: > > > > Touch screens do not provide support for blind amateur operators. > Elecraft has always said they will provide support for blind operators. > > I just wonder how touchscreens fit into that commitment. > > > > 73, > > Don W3FPR > > > >> On 3/25/2019 11:18 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote: > >> While those are certainly advantages, there are several disadvantages. > Number 1 on my personal hit parade: they aren?t tactile. You have to look > at them to operate them. Which means, for you, another distraction. For me, > it means extra support (think VoiceOver on iOS, Talkback on Android, > VoiceView on the Amazon Fire things). So far, none of the ham radio > manufacturers has implemented anything like that, and so touch screen > interfaces on a lot of stuff are out of my reach, as it were. Of course, > knobs and switches and buttons have the advantage of being able to be > manipulated without having to see where they are. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From llibsch at bellsouth.net Tue Mar 26 08:00:39 2019 From: llibsch at bellsouth.net (Larry Libsch) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 08:00:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 Message-ID: <275f36b9-d9e6-8f38-268b-aae764e3ae07@bellsouth.net> Hi Eric, ??? ??? I own an early K3, early KAT500, early KPA500, and early KPA1500. Each a great product with great documentation and customer support. I now also own a? FLEX 6600. SDR is the future of radio. The P3 just is not state of the art, and it's poor value for its cost. Its shortcomings are numerous and known. The Flex has DAX which vastly decreases the complexity of connectivity and keeps ports organized. The Flex panafall display puts most controls at your finger tips rather than buried in menus. The Flex exploits other SDR capabilities: Multiple bands can be displayed simultaneously. A single Flex can do SO2R. But the Flex has many shortcomings compared to the K-line: Poor and frequently outdated documentation. Marginal customer service. Features like remote capability, integration with non-Flex software, and SO2R may be more difficult to implement than their ads would lead you to believe. Those lacking networking skills may be at a disadvantage. ??? ??? A great SDR radio with Flex- like capabilities in connectivity and panafall display and function that also has Elecraft quality documentation and customer support would move Elecraft back to leadership in HF radios. ??? ??? I have not been able to part with my K3. We have too much history. But I now operate with my Flex driving the KPA1500. I'd dump the Flex? in a heartbeat if a K4 could match or beat Flex functions and maintain Elecraft's current level of documentation and customer service. ?K4KGG, Larry From david at aslinvc.com Tue Mar 26 08:03:53 2019 From: david at aslinvc.com (Dave G3WGN M6O) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 05:03:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4? In-Reply-To: <81C77D47-A933-4641-983C-6475DEE57138@law.du.edu> References: <81C77D47-A933-4641-983C-6475DEE57138@law.du.edu> Message-ID: <1553601833230-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Nice list Ted. I agree with all except a variation on numbers 4 and 6: I'm happy to have an external computer for contest and everyday logging and for functionality equivalent to K3 Utility. All else (digital modes, remote operation etc) should be on-board. 73, David G3WGN M6O WJ6O K2, KX3, K3, P3, W2... Edward A. Dauer wrote > Wow; there's a tantalizing post. > > I'll leave the important technical suggestions to others. Here's my list: > > 1. Seamless backwards compatibility with the KPA1500. Without it, I > don't buy a K4. Likewise, though much less important, for the K-Pod. > > 2. Similar though not necessarily identical form factor to the K3 / K3s. > Existing investments in shack design have been built around the current > equipment. > > 3. Built-in remoting. Get rid of the RemoteRig dongles. > > 4. Whatever it takes, so far as possible, to make connecting any outboard > computer to the rig unnecessary for any reason. > > 5. Upgrading from K3 to K4, as we had for upgrading from K3 to nearly > K3s, would be nice but I wouldn't let it stand in the way of major design > changes. > > 6. One tiny matter the absence of which has always just bugged me -- an > internal contest QSO S/N counter for the internal memory CW keyer. > > 7. On-board panadapter. Touch-sensitive screen is not all that > desirable. I much prefer soft keys. Keeps the PBJ off the screen. > > 8. A kit version, as much as feasible. > > > Ted, KN1CBR > > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > > From: > elecraft-bounces at .qth > < > elecraft-bounces at .qth > > On Behalf Of Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 7:15 PM > To: Elecraft list < > Elecraft at .qth > > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 > > Inquiring minds want to know: > What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? > > Eric > elecraft.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: > Elecraft at .qth > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From kg9hfrank at gmail.com Tue Mar 26 08:38:53 2019 From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 07:38:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 forward and reverse power indicator Message-ID: <4B7693D8-C340-4591-ABB9-B08FA020F9F9@gmail.com> So getting used to my new to me K1. I am lucky to have the ATU internally (and am looking for the NB board!) but have a question for the folks that have one of these. How do you see your reverse power in the field? Do you use an external SWR meter? is there a way to get some LEDs out that can show you that you have a 1:1 after the ATU does it?s job? Am I missing something in the set-up. The K1 sounds amazingly like my K2 in CW sound, love the radio. Mine has the 4 band module in it! de Frank KG9H From eric at elecraft.com Tue Mar 26 09:28:31 2019 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 06:28:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens In-Reply-To: References: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> <0541430F-5FD0-4FCA-9FE2-7D4B80AF11FE@w2xj.net> <895f8e34-2165-21fe-47f1-32e7014b5af2@embarqmail.com> <59A7D0F4-6F00-43DF-9C7A-0A879103CF18@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39BDF45E-5D2A-4782-AD7D-F4F5D1949115@elecraft.com> Folks - we closed this thread yesterday. In the interest of relieving reader email overload from the large number of email postings, let's let it rest for now. 73, Eric Mooderator elecraft.com _..._ From P.Hall at curtin.edu.au Tue Mar 26 09:28:25 2019 From: P.Hall at curtin.edu.au (Peter Hall) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 13:28:25 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens In-Reply-To: References: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> <0541430F-5FD0-4FCA-9FE2-7D4B80AF11FE@w2xj.net> <895f8e34-2165-21fe-47f1-32e7014b5af2@embarqmail.com> <59A7D0F4-6F00-43DF-9C7A-0A879103CF18@yahoo.com>, Message-ID: <8E28EEAC-CDB9-4E08-8F41-7CED93838412@curtin.edu.au> Folks, I'm not an Elecraft transceiver owner and, with the present alternative radio offerings and the current state of the art, I won't be buying a K3 of any flavour. However, I do own a KPA1500 which is nicely designed and built, and performs to expectations. Those expectations are modest in IMD terms when compared with good tube amplifiers but far from the worst of the solid state offerings. An Elecraft K4 with a well-implemented pre-distortion system would likely be a deal maker for me; I'd feel quite positive about finally having a contemporary system matching my classic Collins station in cleanliness. Personally, I'm no great fan of touch screens having used them a lot in general aviation and with other amateur radios, including the IC7300 mentioned by the previous poster. I just find the ergonomics fiddly and I'm OCD enough to always like my screens sparkling! It's a personal choice, of course. I also agree that a wideband baseband output (e.g I/Q) to ancillary devices and computers hosting a variety of open-source and propriety applications is a must-have. 73, Peter (VK6HP). Sent from my iPad > On 26 Mar 2019, at 8:09 pm, F5vjc wrote: > > If the latest touch screens are anything like my "Smartphone" you can keep > them! > Either they do not respond instantly or the processor is " Busy" doing > something else. This to me extremely irritating and frustrating. > How do the plethora of 7300 users find their screens work for them? > > 73 F5VJC > > On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 at 09:51, David Wilcox via Elecraft < > elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > >> Don, >> >> I have a blind ham friend and all his touch screens talk back to him when >> he touches something..... he can use his iPad, iPod and iPhone faster than >> I can. It?s in the programming as it is a special program he has for >> each. Another miracle for our blind brothers. And, that is why he bought >> Icom gear. He said they were the only company to offer plug in ?talker? >> boards for their xcvr. Still using his 756 Pro, 500 w Icom amp and LDG >> talking SWR meter. >> >> Dave K8WPE >> >> David J. Wilcox K8WPE?s iPad >> >>> On Mar 25, 2019, at 12:02 PM, Don Wilhelm >> wrote: >>> >>> Touch screens do not provide support for blind amateur operators. >> Elecraft has always said they will provide support for blind operators. >>> I just wonder how touchscreens fit into that commitment. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> >>>> On 3/25/2019 11:18 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote: >>>> While those are certainly advantages, there are several disadvantages. >> Number 1 on my personal hit parade: they aren?t tactile. You have to look >> at them to operate them. Which means, for you, another distraction. For me, >> it means extra support (think VoiceOver on iOS, Talkback on Android, >> VoiceView on the Amazon Fire things). So far, none of the ham radio >> manufacturers has implemented anything like that, and so touch screen >> interfaces on a lot of stuff are out of my reach, as it were. 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In the interest of relieving reader email overload from the large number of email postings, let's let it rest for now. 73, Eric Mooderator elecraft.com _..._ From P.Hall at curtin.edu.au Tue Mar 26 09:34:29 2019 From: P.Hall at curtin.edu.au (Peter Hall) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 13:34:29 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <4A1D0B0B-420A-4FDB-8A56-EBD0963C2FD3@elecraft.com> References: <275f36b9-d9e6-8f38-268b-aae764e3ae07@bellsouth.net>, <4A1D0B0B-420A-4FDB-8A56-EBD0963C2FD3@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1EF4FFCB-9632-492F-BBE7-E46489FC6429@curtin.edu.au> Eric, I apologise for missing that mail but am amazed you'd want to shut down the discussion. But it's your sandpit! Cheers, Peter Sent from my iPad > On 26 Mar 2019, at 10:32 pm, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > > Folks - we closed this ?Will there be a K4? thread yesterday. In the interest of relieving reader email overload from the large number of email postings, let's let it rest for now. > > 73, > Eric > Mooderator > elecraft.com > _..._ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://secure-web.cisco.com/1BgICGXhZ2J1lchhqw5w3WhL6SiX-F61sZTuPY8I3lxY4R1ycB6q38RZd7KR4cAe6utfA5PiTGQGKD0V9z9Tf-vA61-55k8AGp9cCNlFZYhc9Gx7q4skgg2FADqc8-7Mc9OCZke5DEcMbbMDKdPU_79N1S0tPERmNjOOWccSRBdfaDaji1fox06kkWC6MmNplOJCCPOvN6mnkXUpi7PQN4Umk_uUh0mH39_AwAYKPXKh_t6iNOvuqbJCjqnU9aLTHykn4lvHoeRMrzY51v77RMnkYJ74L0ti32PjAk6KR0FXNE0coOTMrCIPxkvJ_x0Nu_WNXfESTBDEMm-P_SC6Ief0anCsOUVYo8arkLW9z9PDdh1-J6eemyCrNYhQmVCO76a1vTuez7JX5arYiXuGaN_axKutKFUDbuz3OWEMKmK93iZ716FbFQYB3WxPM9EhObfrZCzk0Q8_-NCudOmpbdO81k3c0UqlRTOCyNggYaKI/http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.qth.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Felecraft > Help: http://secure-web.cisco.com/1HehwCsrU-JMl5MHq8x4WgEgOkSS9w8s5WeuUoysKCjpKmDdll4agN5y6pdSWv4pTpF-Z-QxsFjKpmf9hZz36LI0ovgf4uoXMZgvc6ogehJPAkJUFGiBEZzFi2Xqn-aUU73LC9TTYRrf1-RJVS_A1sR5aq2iWV_QcukujUE8mynqIz38Q72nFZZKUQ5sJg5XRsjcG1GzATinT-Oai3N2nkSeiVYFp8nZzJHPYUaGB-fMX-YgZEsHNuSzx2L9VpaeQ1DtmcWiId2NlzZgyVIaQukbS_XtpfZXwu9IxvNCUAlPvB2CTf1N9N7_033AcPPaT-qKBvhLAU37r20AhY_n4K7BiQ2ES6CB9ukBc1G0hxUcRt3twMZgvgke4O45NFo7PVg9tOtyoMYXA-f9ZWxme-ODYS0L-w-JD16xfymELLDPnfwJ8nErChrAqNVjlyZC3uEk34zWM3gj07-ctZilnmY87ENS8vs6X2VwCWzj7AuY/http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.qth.net%2Fmmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From w5rg at yahoo.com Tue Mar 26 09:43:30 2019 From: w5rg at yahoo.com (Bob Gibson) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 13:43:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] New Product and K4 Suggestions.. NO K4!! In-Reply-To: <5B50AD48-F956-44AA-84F4-287CD85DFA37@aol.com> References: <5B50AD48-F956-44AA-84F4-287CD85DFA37@aol.com> Message-ID: <1842705298.10198550.1553607810131@mail.yahoo.com> This is the best idea so far..Do not come out with a K4..just keep giving us plug-in improvements..No one wants a out dated radio. The big three are just now starting to catch the K3..Sure from a marketing stand point coming out with a new radio is a great idea..more money coming in...?I did not buy a K3 for it looks!! I do not like fancy display's or touch screens..I want a top performing radio that I can up-grade myself or send it in to be upgraded..I have a 1440 serial radio..old..no upgrades that I just sent it and spent $3500.00 dollars on..I could have bought a TS890..but I love what I have and I have the best in a old 1440 radio...that is what I love about Elecraft!! ?? 73s Bob W5RG On Monday, March 25, 2019, 10:45:43 PM CDT, Mike Lichtman via Elecraft wrote: ? ? In reading the K4 product suggestions posted so far, noise blanker/noise elimination seems to be a common thread. I have written in the past about the need for improvement in the NB and NR on my KX3. I would like to see Elecraft come out with a really affective noise reduction unit (can be stand alone). It could combine improved versions of the NB and NR, a phasing unit (like the MFJ 1026-which really works well), and audio filtering. With all the noise on the bands lately, this would be welcomed in the marketplace. ? ? As far as the K4, the most common suggestions seem to be to change the color of the display, get a monitor screen / blend the P3 and K3. All front panel issues. While Elecraft has featured the modular approach, I think expanding on this might be the key to pleasing a variety of tastes in a cost efficient way. Have two choices of front panels that tailor the K4 to different displays and knobs vs touchscreen. The transceiver internals could continue to be modularly upgraded (like the K3 to K3S) and the front panels could be made backwards compatible to the K3/K3s in the Elecraft tradition. This would place the upgrades in an affordable price band and could be done incrementally. Most hams can afford $1000 to $2000 but not $5000+.? ? 73 Mike KF6KXG ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From buddy at brannan.name Tue Mar 26 09:44:56 2019 From: buddy at brannan.name (Buddy Brannan) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 09:44:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The case against touch screens In-Reply-To: <59A7D0F4-6F00-43DF-9C7A-0A879103CF18@yahoo.com> References: <345514168.9346311.1553474115225.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <345514168.9346311.1553474115225@mail.yahoo.com> <0541430F-5FD0-4FCA-9FE2-7D4B80AF11FE@w2xj.net> <895f8e34-2165-21fe-47f1-32e7014b5af2@embarqmail.com> <59A7D0F4-6F00-43DF-9C7A-0A879103CF18@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6AA3CD67-F67D-4496-AC73-697F2D587CA0@brannan.name> David, that?s all true, but there?s one little problem. All of those touch screens are attached to Android or iOS devices. Unless Elecraft plans on embedding a full Android or Apple OS in the mythical K4, writing a similar screen reader will not be a small undertaking. > On Mar 26, 2019, at 4:50 AM, David Wilcox via Elecraft wrote: > > Don, > > I have a blind ham friend and all his touch screens talk back to him when he touches something..... he can use his iPad, iPod and iPhone faster than I can. It?s in the programming as it is a special program he has for each. Another miracle for our blind brothers. And, that is why he bought Icom gear. He said they were the only company to offer plug in ?talker? boards for their xcvr. Still using his 756 Pro, 500 w Icom amp and LDG talking SWR meter. > > Dave K8WPE > > David J. Wilcox K8WPE?s iPad > >> On Mar 25, 2019, at 12:02 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> >> Touch screens do not provide support for blind amateur operators. Elecraft has always said they will provide support for blind operators. >> I just wonder how touchscreens fit into that commitment. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >>> On 3/25/2019 11:18 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote: >>> While those are certainly advantages, there are several disadvantages. Number 1 on my personal hit parade: they aren?t tactile. You have to look at them to operate them. Which means, for you, another distraction. For me, it means extra support (think VoiceOver on iOS, Talkback on Android, VoiceView on the Amazon Fire things). So far, none of the ham radio manufacturers has implemented anything like that, and so touch screen interfaces on a lot of stuff are out of my reach, as it were. Of course, knobs and switches and buttons have the advantage of being able to be manipulated without having to see where they are. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Email: buddy at brannan.name Mobile: (814) 431-0962 From dave at nk7z.net Tue Mar 26 10:40:30 2019 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 07:40:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Product and K4 Suggestions.. NO K4!! In-Reply-To: <1842705298.10198550.1553607810131@mail.yahoo.com> References: <5B50AD48-F956-44AA-84F4-287CD85DFA37@aol.com> <1842705298.10198550.1553607810131@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <235a5fa7-630c-4917-fca4-6dbb32da9d9d@nk7z.net> I must say, I agree 100% here... Upgradeable radios protect the Elecraft user-base, and overall I suspect sell more radios... I know of at least one person that was considering a K3, until this thread started, now he is waiting until Dayton. Previous to that he waited... I suspect most Elecraft owner would love to see a K3 line that is upgradeable for many more years to come, and I suspect all those 756 PRO III owners 756 PRO II owners, &%^ PRO owners, etc., that can't get displays for there multi thousand dollar radio would take a long look at Elecraft if Elecraft touted this sort of path for future radios... 73s and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Technical Specialist ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL OOC for Oregon On 3/26/19 6:43 AM, Bob Gibson via Elecraft wrote: > This is the best idea so far..Do not come out with a K4..just keep giving us plug-in improvements..No one wants a out dated radio. The big three are just now starting to catch the K3..Sure from a marketing stand point coming out with a new radio is a great idea..more money coming in...?I did not buy a K3 for it looks!! I do not like fancy display's or touch screens..I want a top performing radio that I can up-grade myself or send it in to be upgraded..I have a 1440 serial radio..old..no upgrades that I just sent it and spent $3500.00 dollars on..I could have bought a TS890..but I love what I have and I have the best in a old 1440 radio...that is what I love about Elecraft!! > > ?? 73s Bob W5RG > > > On Monday, March 25, 2019, 10:45:43 PM CDT, Mike Lichtman via Elecraft wrote: > > ? ? In reading the K4 product suggestions posted so far, noise blanker/noise elimination seems to be a common thread. I have written in the past about the need > for improvement in the NB and NR on my KX3. I would like to see Elecraft come out with a really affective noise reduction unit (can be stand alone). > It could combine improved versions of the NB and NR, a phasing unit (like the MFJ 1026-which really works well), and audio filtering. With all the noise on > the bands lately, this would be welcomed in the marketplace. > ? ? As far as the K4, the most common suggestions seem to be to change the color of the display, get a monitor screen / blend the P3 and K3. All front panel issues. > While Elecraft has featured the modular approach, I think expanding on this might be the key to pleasing a variety of tastes in a cost efficient way. Have two choices of front panels that > tailor the K4 to different displays and knobs vs touchscreen. The transceiver internals could continue to be modularly upgraded (like the K3 to K3S) and the front panels could be made > backwards compatible to the K3/K3s in the Elecraft tradition. This would place the upgrades in an affordable price band and could be done incrementally. > Most hams can afford $1000 to $2000 but not $5000+.? ? 73 Mike KF6KXG > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From esteptony at gmail.com Tue Mar 26 11:05:20 2019 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 10:05:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Why not a KX4? In-Reply-To: <54790e09-c070-953d-2658-4becd23ee6fc@effable.com> References: <54790e09-c070-953d-2658-4becd23ee6fc@effable.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 11:20 PM Steve Sergeant wrote: > ...my KX2 seems more frequency stable than my KX3 on WSPR... ================== Yep, becuz it has a different scheme for generating the osc freq (if I'm not mistaken, synth vs VFO). So that's one of my wished-for improvements. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Mar 26 11:11:37 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 11:11:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 forward and reverse power indicator In-Reply-To: <4B7693D8-C340-4591-ABB9-B08FA020F9F9@gmail.com> References: <4B7693D8-C340-4591-ABB9-B08FA020F9F9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Frank, An external SWR meter will only show you the antenna SWR which will not change no matter what the ATU does. If you want to see that for any antenna and band, you can use the ATU CLS setting which effectively bypasses the ATU and shows you the antenna SWR. The important thing to the transmitter is the tuned SWR which you can see by setting the ATU menu to rx.x which will give you the SWR at the input of the ATU. See the KAT1 manual page 11 for full display capability. Or just trust that the ATU will do its job. The SWR is displayed briefly at the end of a TUNE cycle. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/26/2019 8:38 AM, Frank Krozel wrote: > So getting used to my new to me K1. > > I am lucky to have the ATU internally (and am looking for the NB board!) but have a question for the folks that have one of these. > How do you see your reverse power in the field? Do you use an external SWR meter? is there a way to get some LEDs out that can show you that you have a 1:1 after the ATU does it?s job? > Am I missing something in the set-up. > > The K1 sounds amazingly like my K2 in CW sound, love the radio. Mine has the 4 band module in it! > From hms4 at lehigh.edu Tue Mar 26 11:28:22 2019 From: hms4 at lehigh.edu (Howard Sherer) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 11:28:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS RRC 1258 MKII Elecraft twin set with cables Message-ID: For Sale RRC 1258 MKII Elecraft twin set with cables. Everything works great $500. I will sell the Elecraft RRK0CBL cable later. Howard Sherer From pincon at erols.com Mon Mar 25 16:15:44 2019 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 16:15:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <68B609B1BE024D228FC34FF4F3AEACED@WIN7LowProfile> References: <68B609B1BE024D228FC34FF4F3AEACED@WIN7LowProfile> Message-ID: <006401d4e347$8a4e56c0$9eeb0440$@erols.com> Is this some sort of covert program to cut-off or, at the very least, slow down the current K3s sales as more potential buyers are convinced to change their minds and decide to wait for the K4 ? Because it certainly SEEMS to me to be doing just that! Personally, at around six large for a loaded K3s, there's NO way I'm gonna spend anywhere near twice that on a K4 radio regardless of WHAT it'll do. 73, Charlie k3ICH From pincon at erols.com Mon Mar 25 16:48:51 2019 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 16:48:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Touch Screens Message-ID: <006901d4e34c$2a528de0$7ef7a9a0$@erols.com> Well, I was all set to really HATE touch screens....BUT, I find the one on the IC-7610 a breeze to use. Admittedly, I do (seldom) "fat-finger" it, but so far, I've never screwed up anything that didn't take but one more "touch" to fix. The whole operation of the touch-screen on the IC-7610 is just fine with me. Often used functions are readily available with two "touches" at most. Seldom needed things may require moving to a separate menu. Personally, I am very comfortable with it. An YES, I DO also own a K3s & KX2. Each have their pro & con points. 73, Charlie k3ICH From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Mar 26 11:53:03 2019 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 08:53:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <006401d4e347$8a4e56c0$9eeb0440$@erols.com> References: <68B609B1BE024D228FC34FF4F3AEACED@WIN7LowProfile> <006401d4e347$8a4e56c0$9eeb0440$@erols.com> Message-ID: <82DA487F-DCC9-4FEA-B15F-AE3962F07DD3@elecraft.com> > On Mar 25, 2019, at 1:15 PM, Charlie T wrote: > > Is this some sort of covert program to cut-off or, at the very least, slow down the current K3s sales as more potential buyers are convinced to change their minds and decide to wait for the K4 ? Most definitely not! People are just offering suggestions, which are welcome at any time. > Personally, at around six large for a loaded K3s, there's NO way I'm gonna spend anywhere near twice that on a K4 radio regardless of WHAT it'll do. Neither would I :) Wayne N6KR From ke8g.jim at gmail.com Tue Mar 26 12:10:30 2019 From: ke8g.jim at gmail.com (KE8G) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 12:10:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3s won't connect to PC In-Reply-To: <198832b4-8486-ddfe-a0a5-a65f97bef912@embarqmail.com> References: <0e3801d4e196$25ff7670$71fe6350$@verizon.net> <198832b4-8486-ddfe-a0a5-a65f97bef912@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: I want to thank all who offered suggestions and information, it was a pleasure to reach out for help and have so many folks willing to help! I contacted Elecraft yesterday and ran things past them. I was given a few suggestions, and decided to "pretend" it was a new set-up. I am not sure what was going on, but with the USB cable plugged into the same USB port on the same computer, when I turned the radio on, it went through a complete new set-up; including installing the drivers and audio CODECs. It even gave me the same COM port number. I am going to attribute it to divine intervention, as I did a lot of praying for it to be something simple! Things are working as normal, and a "boat load" of toroids are on the way!! Thanks again. 73 de Jim - KE8G On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 6:32 PM Don Wilhelm wrote: > Checking communications capability with K3 Utility is always a good > first step when you have problems with communications with the K3/K3S > (similar for KX3/KX2). > If the Utility can communicate, then you should know to look to your > computer applications and their setup information for the problem. > > If the Utility cannot connect, it is either a computer port assignment > problem, a USB to serial adapter problem (including the adapter built > into the K3S) or a K3/K3S problem. > > So depending on the results of the K3 Utility "Test Communications", you > will know where to look for the problem. Often it is a computer problem > such as Tony discovered. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/23/2019 12:33 PM, tony.kaz--- via Elecraft wrote: > > Don, > > Using the K3 Utility is good advice. > > Yesterday for some reason when I had updated WIN10, the one port changed > numbers. And of all the ports I use for both K3's and all the programs and > hardware, that was the only one that changed from 16 to 12. Go figure. Went > into Device Manager and changed the port number back to what it was. Weird. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From kg9hfrank at gmail.com Tue Mar 26 12:29:54 2019 From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 11:29:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 forward and reverse power indicator In-Reply-To: References: <4B7693D8-C340-4591-ABB9-B08FA020F9F9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5493B237-CF3B-4EF0-AA07-9B966A3F8B84@gmail.com> As usual Don thanks. I just found the ATU manual on line so will review that next. de KG9H > On Mar 26, 2019, at 10:11 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Frank, > > An external SWR meter will only show you the antenna SWR which will not change no matter what the ATU does. If you want to see that for any antenna and band, you can use the ATU CLS setting which effectively bypasses the ATU and shows you the antenna SWR. > > The important thing to the transmitter is the tuned SWR which you can see by setting the ATU menu to rx.x which will give you the SWR at the input of the ATU. > > See the KAT1 manual page 11 for full display capability. > Or just trust that the ATU will do its job. The SWR is displayed briefly at the end of a TUNE cycle. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/26/2019 8:38 AM, Frank Krozel wrote: >> So getting used to my new to me K1. >> I am lucky to have the ATU internally (and am looking for the NB board!) but have a question for the folks that have one of these. >> How do you see your reverse power in the field? Do you use an external SWR meter? is there a way to get some LEDs out that can show you that you have a 1:1 after the ATU does it?s job? >> Am I missing something in the set-up. >> The K1 sounds amazingly like my K2 in CW sound, love the radio. Mine has the 4 band module in it! From wrmoore47 at gmail.com Tue Mar 26 13:02:33 2019 From: wrmoore47 at gmail.com (Randy Moore) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 12:02:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/P3, KX3/PX3, KX2+accessories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Craig and I really appreciate the response to the sale of Craig's, NM4T, gear! Remaining are the K3, KX3 and KeyLogGo. For the KeyLogGo, I have discovered there's a mini-keyboard, which is now included. I have updated the email below. Tnx es 73, Randy, KS4L On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 10:16 AM Randy Moore wrote: > I am helping Craig, NM4T, in selling some of his Elecraft gear. He is > dealing with a very serious illness. Below I will list what is available > and Craig's asking price, along with links to some pictures and short > videos. Payment can be by cashier's check, PayPal or personal check > (shipment after check clears). Shipping charges will be actual cost by USPS > Priority Mail, from 35811. Please direct any inquires to me at wrmoore > [at] gmail [.] com. > > Craig's gear is pristine. It is all 100% functional. Everything is > perfect cosmetically. > > Internal options are not available separately. > > Tnx es 73, > > Randy, KS4L > > ==================================================================== > > K3/100 (basic K3 was factory assembled, internal options added later) > including: > > Filters: 6.0 KHz, 2.8 KHz, 1.0 KHz, 400 Hz, 250 Hz > > KTCX03-1 > > KAT3 > > KDVR3 > > KXV3A > > Heil Hand Mic > > KUSB > > Power Cable (not shown in the photos) > > Note: this K3 has not had any K3S upgrades > > Price: $2500 + shipping > > Images (P3 shown in some of the images has already been sold): > > > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0o9dwxp1urd52zu/AACmOTqoeein9HyHunszvMGua?dl=0 > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > KX3 > > KXAT3 > > KXFL3 > > KXBC3 > > Heatsink (third-party) > > Price: $1120 > > Images (PX3 shown in some of the images has already been sold): > > > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3wdtr0rfhw6ntdh/AACXSeJucwEMNP4ysuBsyDMGa?dl=0 > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > QRPWorks KeyLogGo with Adesso ACK-595PB mini-keyboard > Price: $175 + shipping > Images: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8d40vxhdsi94iod/AACIrzskHNyORYYOCpYutdFga?dl=0 > ================================================================= > From k4wi at gmx.com Tue Mar 26 13:18:02 2019 From: k4wi at gmx.com (Courtney Judd) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 12:18:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 temps Message-ID: <5C9A5ECA.2090709@gmx.com> I love my KPA1500 but I am somewhat concerned with the temp indicated on the readout. Doing RTTY I get a 80C reading and loud fan which I think is high. I also have a small probe on the top vent which shows 120 deg F exhaust temp which is not bad. Should I be concerned here? I am also a big fan of external fans. My previous amps all had external fans which helped.... thinking about putting several small fans along the bottom front and maybe on the top vent to aid in moving exhaust air away. Good or bad idea? Any ideas or thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks 73's Cort K4WI From eric at elecraft.com Tue Mar 26 13:37:50 2019 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 10:37:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 temps In-Reply-To: <5C9A5ECA.2090709@gmx.com> References: <5C9A5ECA.2090709@gmx.com> Message-ID: <1c7edb27-ec52-d26d-c6e9-4d6b917fac2f@elecraft.com> Hi Cort, This is totally normal for the amp in high duty cycle carrier modes like RTTY.? Also, it will automatically protect itself with margin if the temp at the PA transistors gets too high. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 3/26/2019 10:18 AM, Courtney Judd wrote: > I love my KPA1500 but I am somewhat concerned with the temp indicated on > the readout. Doing RTTY I get a 80C reading and loud fan which I think > is high. I also have a small probe on the top vent which shows 120 deg F > exhaust temp which is not bad. Should I be concerned here? I am also a > big fan of external fans. My previous amps all had external fans which > helped.... thinking about putting several small fans along the bottom > front and maybe on the top vent to aid in moving exhaust air away. Good > or bad idea? Any ideas or thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks 73's > Cort K4WI > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From eric at elecraft.com Tue Mar 26 13:43:08 2019 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 10:43:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <1EF4FFCB-9632-492F-BBE7-E46489FC6429@curtin.edu.au> References: <275f36b9-d9e6-8f38-268b-aae764e3ae07@bellsouth.net> <4A1D0B0B-420A-4FDB-8A56-EBD0963C2FD3@elecraft.com> <1EF4FFCB-9632-492F-BBE7-E46489FC6429@curtin.edu.au> Message-ID: Hi Peter, No problem. We certainly love the input, but this volume of email quickly saturates a large number of our readers, so we try to keep it under control. Of course, direct emails with suggestions to both of us are always welcome! :-) 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 3/26/2019 6:34 AM, Peter Hall wrote: > Eric, > > I apologise for missing that mail but am amazed you'd want to shut down the discussion. But it's your sandpit! > > Cheers, > Peter > > Sent from my iPad > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Mar 26 14:22:11 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 11:22:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Why not a KX4? In-Reply-To: <201903260721.x2Q7LEoH018070@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201903260721.x2Q7LEoH018070@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <92ff66a9-41ef-e7d4-d1df-5568ad2273ea@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 3/26/2019 12:21 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > Better freq stability on 6m & 2m would be nice. Thanks to extensive work by W7GJ, a production change was made several years ago to improve stability with a redesign of the main board. There's also a user temperature calibration routine that helps a lot. 73, Jim K9YC From k9yeq at live.com Tue Mar 26 17:55:45 2019 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 21:55:45 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3s won't connect to PC In-Reply-To: References: <0e3801d4e196$25ff7670$71fe6350$@verizon.net> <198832b4-8486-ddfe-a0a5-a65f97bef912@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: I have always loved self-healing electronics. By starting from scratch you removed the corruption issue. Way to go. 73, Bill K9YEQ https://wrj-tech.com/ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of KE8G Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 11:11 AM To: donwilh at embarqmail.com Cc: Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3s won't connect to PC I want to thank all who offered suggestions and information, it was a pleasure to reach out for help and have so many folks willing to help! I contacted Elecraft yesterday and ran things past them. I was given a few suggestions, and decided to "pretend" it was a new set-up. I am not sure what was going on, but with the USB cable plugged into the same USB port on the same computer, when I turned the radio on, it went through a complete new set-up; including installing the drivers and audio CODECs. It even gave me the same COM port number. I am going to attribute it to divine intervention, as I did a lot of praying for it to be something simple! Things are working as normal, and a "boat load" of toroids are on the way!! Thanks again. 73 de Jim - KE8G On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 6:32 PM Don Wilhelm wrote: > Checking communications capability with K3 Utility is always a good > first step when you have problems with communications with the K3/K3S > (similar for KX3/KX2). > If the Utility can communicate, then you should know to look to your > computer applications and their setup information for the problem. > > If the Utility cannot connect, it is either a computer port assignment > problem, a USB to serial adapter problem (including the adapter built > into the K3S) or a K3/K3S problem. > > So depending on the results of the K3 Utility "Test Communications", > you will know where to look for the problem. Often it is a computer > problem such as Tony discovered. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/23/2019 12:33 PM, tony.kaz--- via Elecraft wrote: > > Don, > > Using the K3 Utility is good advice. > > Yesterday for some reason when I had updated WIN10, the one port > > changed > numbers. And of all the ports I use for both K3's and all the programs > and hardware, that was the only one that changed from 16 to 12. Go > figure. Went into Device Manager and changed the port number back to what it was. Weird. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us Tue Mar 26 19:32:30 2019 From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (Bob KD7YZ) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 19:32:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC knob control missing on my K3 Message-ID: So I was following some really great help from Don re ALC on my SSPA ....and I didn't get back to using the K3 .. was Sats on the Icom. Anyway, I finished 1200 feet of random wire accross 80 90 foot tree tops. I decoded a CN2 on 80 at 1700 local. pretty good but then I try xmit and when I press the Mic/Speed button I see VOX and no way to tickle the 4 to 5 bars. So, uh, what'd I do? 80 -- 73 Bob KD7YZ AMSAT LM #901 From KG5KUQ at gmail.com Tue Mar 26 22:24:30 2019 From: KG5KUQ at gmail.com (KG5KUQ) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 19:24:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] panadapter not displaying CW Message-ID: <1553653470502-0.post@n2.nabble.com> K3S - I have the panadapter with the SVGA option, and the K3 is happily copying and displaying CW. Nothing showing up in the data window though. I have a keyboard attached, and it says USB device connected. Doesn't respond though. I have FW rev 1.6o SVGA FW version 1.34 -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From nr4c at widomaker.com Tue Mar 26 22:42:20 2019 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 22:42:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] panadapter not displaying CW In-Reply-To: <1553653470502-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1553653470502-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Did you turn feature ON in the P3 menu? Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 26, 2019, at 10:24 PM, KG5KUQ wrote: > > K3S - I have the panadapter with the SVGA option, and the K3 is happily > copying and displaying CW. Nothing showing up in the data window though. I > have a keyboard attached, and it says USB device connected. Doesn't respond > though. > > I have FW rev 1.6o > > SVGA FW version 1.34 > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From nr4c at widomaker.com Tue Mar 26 23:02:16 2019 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 23:02:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC knob control missing on my K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <72248754-0AF9-4884-81B1-B501896EF917@widomaker.com> Tap the knob to switch between Speed and Mic Gain. I think VOX is a hold function. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 26, 2019, at 7:32 PM, Bob KD7YZ wrote: > > So I was following some really great help from Don re ALC on my SSPA > .....and I didn't get back to using the K3 .. was Sats on the Icom. > > Anyway, I finished 1200 feet of random wire accross 80 90 foot tree > tops. I decoded a CN2 on 80 at 1700 local. pretty good > > but then I try xmit and when I press the Mic/Speed button I see VOX and > no way to tickle the 4 to 5 bars. > > So, uh, what'd I do? > 80 > > -- > 73 > Bob KD7YZ > AMSAT LM #901 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > So I was following some really great help from Don re ALC on my SSPA > ....and I didn't get back to using the K3 .. was Sats on the Icom. > > Anyway, I finished 1200 feet of random wire accross 80 90 foot tree > tops. I decoded a CN2 on 80 at 1700 local. pretty good > > but then I try xmit and when I press the Mic/Speed button I see VOX and > no way to tickle the 4 to 5 bars. > > So, uh, what'd I do? > 80 > > -- > 73 > Bob KD7YZ > AMSAT LM #901 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us Wed Mar 27 05:16:48 2019 From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (Bob KD7YZ) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 05:16:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC knob control missing on my K3 In-Reply-To: <72248754-0AF9-4884-81B1-B501896EF917@widomaker.com> References: <72248754-0AF9-4884-81B1-B501896EF917@widomaker.com> Message-ID: On 3/26/2019 23:02, Nr4c wrote: > Tap the knob to switch between Speed and Mic Gain. I think VOX is a hold function. tnx Bill. Tapp or push, all I see are Mic/ -- 73 Bob KD7YZ AMSAT LM #901 From kg5kuq at gmail.com Wed Mar 27 07:55:55 2019 From: kg5kuq at gmail.com (Kg5Kuq) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 06:55:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] panadapter not displaying CW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <781b82ef-a05d-4804-bc02-60d75579cf4f@iPhone> Could you be more specific? I?ve been through the menu many times looking for such an option. > > On Mar 26, 2019 at 9:42 PM, wrote: > > > > Did you turn feature ON in the P3 menu? > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > > > On Mar 26, 2019, at 10:24 PM, KG5KUQ wrote: > > > > K3S - I have the panadapter with the SVGA option, and the K3 is happily > > copying and displaying CW. Nothing showing up in the data window though. I > > have a keyboard attached, and it says USB device connected. Doesn't respond > > though. > > > > I have FW rev 1.6o > > > > SVGA FW version 1.34 > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > From ve3iay at gmail.com Wed Mar 27 08:02:18 2019 From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 08:02:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC knob control missing on my K3 Message-ID: You didn't say so, but the "4 to 5 bars" phrase makes it sound as if you are trying to use a digital mode. If so, what mode is the rig in? It should be in DATA A. If you don't like the default filter setting in DATA A, use the SHIFT/WIDTH (or HI/LO CUT) filter controls to set the filter bandwidth where you want it (that will only affect data modes, not voice or CW modes). Now look at the MAIN:MIC SEL setting. It should be on LINE IN. If (and only if) MIC SEL is set to LINE IN, rotating (not pressing) the MIC gain control should display LINE xx (where xx changes as you rotate the knob). Adjust this control, and/or the sound card output level, to get the 4-5 bars indication on the ALC meter. The MIC SEL setting and gain settings are stored separately in digital vs. phone modes, so making changes while in DATA A will have no effect on your mic gain settings for phone modes. There is no ALC knob. Within the K3, you adjust the audio input level to get the required reading on the ALC meter. Between the K3 and an external amplifier, the amplifier generates the ALC signal; it's an input on the K3, not an output, and it should only be used to protect against overdrive, not to adjust the net output power. To adjust the power with or without an external amplifier, use the PWR control. 73, Rich VE3KI KD7YZ wrote: but then I try xmit and when I press the Mic/Speed button I see VOX and no way to tickle the 4 to 5 bars. From kg5kuq at gmail.com Wed Mar 27 08:04:49 2019 From: kg5kuq at gmail.com (Kg5Kuq) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 07:04:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] panadapter not displaying CW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you mean svga data display, yes it is on. > > On Mar 26, 2019 at 9:42 PM, wrote: > > > > Did you turn feature ON in the P3 menu? > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > > > On Mar 26, 2019, at 10:24 PM, KG5KUQ wrote: > > > > K3S - I have the panadapter with the SVGA option, and the K3 is happily > > copying and displaying CW. Nothing showing up in the data window though. I > > have a keyboard attached, and it says USB device connected. Doesn't respond > > though. > > > > I have FW rev 1.6o > > > > SVGA FW version 1.34 > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > From don_roberts2000 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 27 09:10:39 2019 From: don_roberts2000 at yahoo.com (Don Roberts) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 13:10:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Re K4 References: <145481188.10803016.1553692239925.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <145481188.10803016.1553692239925@mail.yahoo.com> Watch Eric for hints. Couple years back at Hamcation in Orlando I asked Eric if there was any possibility of a KPA1000 to which came the grin then he replied "why only 1000?"? There's your sign. Don, W4CBS? Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From radiok4ia at gmail.com Wed Mar 27 09:22:52 2019 From: radiok4ia at gmail.com (Buck) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 09:22:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Re K4 In-Reply-To: <145481188.10803016.1553692239925@mail.yahoo.com> References: <145481188.10803016.1553692239925.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <145481188.10803016.1553692239925@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4579e04a-4c4c-d026-cfff-309fd88da650@Gmail.com> Something is coming for sure and they are so excited about it, they can't hold it in like they usually do. k4ia, Buck K3# 101 Honor Roll 8B DXCC EasyWayHamBooks.com On 3/27/2019 9:10 AM, Don Roberts via Elecraft wrote: > Watch Eric for hints. Couple years back at Hamcation in Orlando I asked Eric if there was any possibility of a KPA1000 to which came the grin then he replied "why only 1000?"? There's your sign. > Don, W4CBS > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From n8vz at qth.com Wed Mar 27 09:51:25 2019 From: n8vz at qth.com (=?utf-8?Q?Carl_J=C3=B3n_Denbow?=) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 09:51:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Re K4 In-Reply-To: <4579e04a-4c4c-d026-cfff-309fd88da650@Gmail.com> References: <145481188.10803016.1553692239925.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <145481188.10803016.1553692239925@mail.yahoo.com> <4579e04a-4c4c-d026-cfff-309fd88da650@Gmail.com> Message-ID: Probably in a few years. They would not be asking to suggestions now, if the product was going to be announced at Dayton this year. 73 de Carl N8VZ Sent from my iPhone =========================== Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 carl at n8vz.com www.n8vz.com EM89wh IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 PSK and JT65 Forever! =========================== > On Mar 27, 2019, at 9:22 AM, Buck wrote: > > Something is coming for sure and they are so excited about it, they can't hold it in like they usually do. > > k4ia, Buck > K3# 101 > Honor Roll 8B DXCC > EasyWayHamBooks.com > >> On 3/27/2019 9:10 AM, Don Roberts via Elecraft wrote: >> Watch Eric for hints. Couple years back at Hamcation in Orlando I asked Eric if there was any possibility of a KPA1000 to which came the grin then he replied "why only 1000?" There's your sign. >> Don, W4CBS >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From Andy at rickham.net Wed Mar 27 12:05:20 2019 From: Andy at rickham.net (Andy McMullin) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 16:05:20 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility Message-ID: <25799476-3474-48C6-87E4-C7D3DC98CB21@rickham.net> Hi All, This might seem like an odd question, but I?ve tried a search of the mail list archive and not found the answer. Does anyone know if there is a trick or other way around the error messages from the KX3 Utility, when run on a modern Macintosh (mine?s running OS-X Mojave, 10.14.4), about the software not being usable on future versions? It?s to do with 32-bit versus 64-bit and future versions of the OS not running old software. Thanks in advance. Regards Andy, G8TQH From wrmoore47 at gmail.com Wed Mar 27 12:32:41 2019 From: wrmoore47 at gmail.com (Randy Moore) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 11:32:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/P3, KX3/PX3, KX2+accessories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Today's update! The KX3 sold. Remaining are the K3 and the KeyLogGo with keyboard. The price of the K3 has been reduced, and the 250 Hz filter has been spoken for and removed from the K3 deal. I've added some words about the functionality of the KeyLogGo, which makes a nice addition to any portable radio operation! 73, Randy, KS4L ================================================================== K3/100 (basic K3 was factory assembled, with internal options added later) including: Filters: 6.0 KHz, 2.8 KHz, 1.0 KHz, 400 Hz KTCX03-1 KAT3 KDVR3 KXV3A Heil Hand Mic KUSB Power Cable (not shown in the photos) Note: this K3 has not had any K3S upgrades *REDUCED to $2195* + shipping Images: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0o9dwxp1urd52zu/AACmOTqoeein9HyHunszvMGua?dl=0 _______________________________________________________________________________ QRPWorks KeyLogGo Full K1EL WinKeyer,including standalone mode Twenty 80-character message memories Iambic A/B, Ultimatic, and Bug modes Adjustable weighting and dit/dah ratio Autospace and letterspace control Sidetone output with adjustable frequency Adjustable Speed 5-99 WPM Real-time sending via Paddle or Keyboard Multiple SOTA or any portable locations Logging Features: Auto call sign entry; Auto time/date stamp Frequency & mode auto-populated (KX2, KX3 and FT-817/818) Use keyboard or paddle for entries 1000 QSOs in non volatile memory ADIF export to PC; Search capability Special Elecraft KX2, KX3, K3, K3s Features include: Displays 80 characters of decoded text - CW, PSK or RTTY 80-character rig macros to control the KX3 Unique editable 20-character transmit buffer for digital modes. You can now backspace and correct typos in RTTY, PSK, and CW. Includes Adesso ACK-595PB lightweight keyboard KeyLogGo plus keyboard $150 + shipping Images: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8d40vxhdsi94iod/AACIrzskHNyORYYOCpYutdFga?dl=0 ================================================================================ From tom.campie at gmail.com Wed Mar 27 12:36:34 2019 From: tom.campie at gmail.com (TJ Campie) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 11:36:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility Message-ID: Doesn't that warning go away after the first launch of the software? I don't recall seeing it again after using the K3 software for the first time. 73, W0EA TJ ---- QRP ARCI #14612 | CW Ops #953 | SKCC #4593T NAQCC #3768 | Flying Pigs QRP #2254 http://W0EA.us *Because QRO is too easy (but sometimes required!)* From Andy at rickham.net Wed Mar 27 12:43:52 2019 From: Andy at rickham.net (Andy McMullin) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 16:43:52 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6DE2F217-A480-4B8C-8497-D0097D4A1F4C@rickham.net> It might go away, but is it still valid? Doesn?t it mean that any day soon an update to the OS will stop the utility working? Then where are we? Regards Andy, G8TQH > On 27 Mar 2019, at 16:36, TJ Campie wrote: > > Doesn't that warning go away after the first launch of the software? I > don't recall seeing it again after using the K3 software for the first time. > > > 73, W0EA > TJ > ---- > QRP ARCI #14612 | CW Ops #953 | SKCC #4593T > NAQCC #3768 | Flying Pigs QRP #2254 > http://W0EA.us > *Because QRO is too easy (but sometimes required!)* > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From phystad at mac.com Wed Mar 27 12:55:52 2019 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 09:55:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility In-Reply-To: <6DE2F217-A480-4B8C-8497-D0097D4A1F4C@rickham.net> References: <6DE2F217-A480-4B8C-8497-D0097D4A1F4C@rickham.net> Message-ID: <1A7B5676-9A5B-407C-BF08-305D6DF14776@mac.com> The warning message does not merely appear just once with the first launch of the software but on subsequent lauches as well (after shutdown of the app). However, I have noticed that if a subsequent launch is within a small period of time after an earlier launch where the message was shown, then the message does not appear again. However, after a longer period of time, the message on launch will appear again. Now, definitions for "small period of time" and "longer period of time" would be your own assessment because I have found that it is different intervals depending what I guess to be arbitrary (or, unknown to me). > On Mar 27, 2019, at 9:43 AM, Andy McMullin wrote: > > It might go away, but is it still valid? Doesn?t it mean that any day soon an update to the OS will stop the utility working? Then where are we? > > Regards > Andy, G8TQH > >> On 27 Mar 2019, at 16:36, TJ Campie wrote: >> >> Doesn't that warning go away after the first launch of the software? I >> don't recall seeing it again after using the K3 software for the first time. >> >> >> 73, W0EA >> TJ >> ---- >> QRP ARCI #14612 | CW Ops #953 | SKCC #4593T >> NAQCC #3768 | Flying Pigs QRP #2254 >> http://W0EA.us >> *Because QRO is too easy (but sometimes required!)* >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From k4zrj at icloud.com Wed Mar 27 13:55:21 2019 From: k4zrj at icloud.com (Charles Johnson) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 13:55:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility In-Reply-To: <25799476-3474-48C6-87E4-C7D3DC98CB21@rickham.net> References: <25799476-3474-48C6-87E4-C7D3DC98CB21@rickham.net> Message-ID: <49F97AA3-7758-4621-9CDB-38B9C735319D@icloud.com> Unless Apple changes its position on 32 bit software like the KX3 Utility, 32 bit apps will not run on the next major release of macOS. The warning message is just that - a warning message that the app in question will not run on future version of the OS. The warning messages appears at random times, but is still valid. One can use the Activity Monitor app to determine what software is 32 bit and what is 64 bit. I?m a registered Apple developer, and have updated my apps to 64 bit code long ago, but some apps are written in such a way as to make conversion to 64 bit code problematic. I believe Elecraft produces the Windows versions of the apps, but the macOS and Linux versions are undertaken by others such as W4SMT. 73, Charles, K4ZRJ > On Mar 27, 2019, at 12:05 PM, Andy McMullin wrote: > > Hi All, > > This might seem like an odd question, but I?ve tried a search of the mail list archive and not found the answer. > > Does anyone know if there is a trick or other way around the error messages from the KX3 Utility, when run on a modern Macintosh (mine?s running OS-X Mojave, 10.14.4), about the software not being usable on future versions? It?s to do with 32-bit versus 64-bit and future versions of the OS not running old software. > > Thanks in advance. > > Regards > Andy, G8TQH > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From Andy at rickham.net Wed Mar 27 14:10:13 2019 From: Andy at rickham.net (Andy McMullin) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 18:10:13 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility In-Reply-To: <49F97AA3-7758-4621-9CDB-38B9C735319D@icloud.com> References: <25799476-3474-48C6-87E4-C7D3DC98CB21@rickham.net> <49F97AA3-7758-4621-9CDB-38B9C735319D@icloud.com> Message-ID: <0ADD265F-F78D-4ADE-A1ED-9878342A81DD@rickham.net> Thanks Charles. So, am I the only person interested in using my Elecraft kit with a Mac in the future? If not, how can we get this app updated to work on Macs from now on? Who do we need to ask? Sent from my iPhone > On 27 Mar 2019, at 17:55, Charles Johnson wrote: > > Unless Apple changes its position on 32 bit software like the KX3 Utility, 32 bit apps will not run on the next major release of macOS. The warning message is just that - a warning message that the app in question will not run on future version of the OS. The warning messages appears at random times, but is still valid. One can use the Activity Monitor app to determine what software is 32 bit and what is 64 bit. > > I?m a registered Apple developer, and have updated my apps to 64 bit code long ago, but some apps are written in such a way as to make conversion to 64 bit code problematic. > > I believe Elecraft produces the Windows versions of the apps, but the macOS and Linux versions are undertaken by others such as W4SMT. > > 73, Charles, K4ZRJ > > > >> On Mar 27, 2019, at 12:05 PM, Andy McMullin wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> This might seem like an odd question, but I?ve tried a search of the mail list archive and not found the answer. >> >> Does anyone know if there is a trick or other way around the error messages from the KX3 Utility, when run on a modern Macintosh (mine?s running OS-X Mojave, 10.14.4), about the software not being usable on future versions? It?s to do with 32-bit versus 64-bit and future versions of the OS not running old software. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Regards >> Andy, G8TQH >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From k4zrj at icloud.com Wed Mar 27 14:37:29 2019 From: k4zrj at icloud.com (Charles Johnson) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 14:37:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility In-Reply-To: <0ADD265F-F78D-4ADE-A1ED-9878342A81DD@rickham.net> References: <25799476-3474-48C6-87E4-C7D3DC98CB21@rickham.net> <49F97AA3-7758-4621-9CDB-38B9C735319D@icloud.com> <0ADD265F-F78D-4ADE-A1ED-9878342A81DD@rickham.net> Message-ID: <71046819-F3E4-4AE4-ADA9-4DF302835823@icloud.com> No, you are not the only person who uses a Mac with their Elecraft equipment and macOS utilities. Elecraft is aware of the 32 bit limitation, and so is the developer of the KX3 app for macOS. I expect 64 bit versions of all Elecraft utilities will be released before the general release of the next OS, assuming the pre-release developer versions have 32 bit support removed. 73, Charles, K4ZRJ > On Mar 27, 2019, at 2:10 PM, Andy McMullin wrote: > > Thanks Charles. > > So, am I the only person interested in using my Elecraft kit with a Mac in the future? If not, how can we get this app updated to work on Macs from now on? Who do we need to ask? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 27 Mar 2019, at 17:55, Charles Johnson wrote: >> >> Unless Apple changes its position on 32 bit software like the KX3 Utility, 32 bit apps will not run on the next major release of macOS. The warning message is just that - a warning message that the app in question will not run on future version of the OS. The warning messages appears at random times, but is still valid. One can use the Activity Monitor app to determine what software is 32 bit and what is 64 bit. >> >> I?m a registered Apple developer, and have updated my apps to 64 bit code long ago, but some apps are written in such a way as to make conversion to 64 bit code problematic. >> >> I believe Elecraft produces the Windows versions of the apps, but the macOS and Linux versions are undertaken by others such as W4SMT. >> >> 73, Charles, K4ZRJ >> >> >> >>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 12:05 PM, Andy McMullin wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> This might seem like an odd question, but I?ve tried a search of the mail list archive and not found the answer. >>> >>> Does anyone know if there is a trick or other way around the error messages from the KX3 Utility, when run on a modern Macintosh (mine?s running OS-X Mojave, 10.14.4), about the software not being usable on future versions? It?s to do with 32-bit versus 64-bit and future versions of the OS not running old software. >>> >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >>> Regards >>> Andy, G8TQH >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > > From Andy at rickham.net Wed Mar 27 16:31:30 2019 From: Andy at rickham.net (Andy McMullin) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 20:31:30 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility In-Reply-To: <71046819-F3E4-4AE4-ADA9-4DF302835823@icloud.com> References: <25799476-3474-48C6-87E4-C7D3DC98CB21@rickham.net> <49F97AA3-7758-4621-9CDB-38B9C735319D@icloud.com> <0ADD265F-F78D-4ADE-A1ED-9878342A81DD@rickham.net> <71046819-F3E4-4AE4-ADA9-4DF302835823@icloud.com> Message-ID: Excellent. I look forward to seeing new versions of the OSX Utilities for the Elecraft line sometime soon then. Regards Andy, G8TQH > On 27 Mar 2019, at 18:37, Charles Johnson wrote: > > No, you are not the only person who uses a Mac with their Elecraft equipment and macOS utilities. Elecraft is aware of the 32 bit limitation, and so is the developer of the KX3 app for macOS. I expect 64 bit versions of all Elecraft utilities will be released before the general release of the next OS, assuming the pre-release developer versions have 32 bit support removed. > > 73, Charles, K4ZRJ > > > >> On Mar 27, 2019, at 2:10 PM, Andy McMullin wrote: >> >> Thanks Charles. >> >> So, am I the only person interested in using my Elecraft kit with a Mac in the future? If not, how can we get this app updated to work on Macs from now on? Who do we need to ask? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 27 Mar 2019, at 17:55, Charles Johnson wrote: >>> >>> Unless Apple changes its position on 32 bit software like the KX3 Utility, 32 bit apps will not run on the next major release of macOS. The warning message is just that - a warning message that the app in question will not run on future version of the OS. The warning messages appears at random times, but is still valid. One can use the Activity Monitor app to determine what software is 32 bit and what is 64 bit. >>> >>> I?m a registered Apple developer, and have updated my apps to 64 bit code long ago, but some apps are written in such a way as to make conversion to 64 bit code problematic. >>> >>> I believe Elecraft produces the Windows versions of the apps, but the macOS and Linux versions are undertaken by others such as W4SMT. >>> >>> 73, Charles, K4ZRJ >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 12:05 PM, Andy McMullin wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> This might seem like an odd question, but I?ve tried a search of the mail list archive and not found the answer. >>>> >>>> Does anyone know if there is a trick or other way around the error messages from the KX3 Utility, when run on a modern Macintosh (mine?s running OS-X Mojave, 10.14.4), about the software not being usable on future versions? It?s to do with 32-bit versus 64-bit and future versions of the OS not running old software. >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Andy, G8TQH >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >> >> > From wunder at wunderwood.org Wed Mar 27 16:34:51 2019 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 13:34:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility In-Reply-To: References: <25799476-3474-48C6-87E4-C7D3DC98CB21@rickham.net> <49F97AA3-7758-4621-9CDB-38B9C735319D@icloud.com> <0ADD265F-F78D-4ADE-A1ED-9878342A81DD@rickham.net> <71046819-F3E4-4AE4-ADA9-4DF302835823@icloud.com> Message-ID: Since the memory manager seems to be tied to Windows, should we contribute to Chirp support for Elecraft? It already supports some Kenwood rigs, so if the Elecraft memory command set is similar to Kenwood, that might not be too hard. The request has been on the Chirp board since 2012, so it probably takes an interested volunteer. https://chirp.danplanet.com/issues/248 wunder Walter Underwood wunder at wunderwood.org http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Mar 27, 2019, at 1:31 PM, Andy McMullin wrote: > > Excellent. I look forward to seeing new versions of the OSX Utilities for the Elecraft line sometime soon then. > > Regards > Andy, G8TQH > >> On 27 Mar 2019, at 18:37, Charles Johnson wrote: >> >> No, you are not the only person who uses a Mac with their Elecraft equipment and macOS utilities. Elecraft is aware of the 32 bit limitation, and so is the developer of the KX3 app for macOS. I expect 64 bit versions of all Elecraft utilities will be released before the general release of the next OS, assuming the pre-release developer versions have 32 bit support removed. >> >> 73, Charles, K4ZRJ >> >> >> >>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 2:10 PM, Andy McMullin wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Charles. >>> >>> So, am I the only person interested in using my Elecraft kit with a Mac in the future? If not, how can we get this app updated to work on Macs from now on? Who do we need to ask? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On 27 Mar 2019, at 17:55, Charles Johnson wrote: >>>> >>>> Unless Apple changes its position on 32 bit software like the KX3 Utility, 32 bit apps will not run on the next major release of macOS. The warning message is just that - a warning message that the app in question will not run on future version of the OS. The warning messages appears at random times, but is still valid. One can use the Activity Monitor app to determine what software is 32 bit and what is 64 bit. >>>> >>>> I?m a registered Apple developer, and have updated my apps to 64 bit code long ago, but some apps are written in such a way as to make conversion to 64 bit code problematic. >>>> >>>> I believe Elecraft produces the Windows versions of the apps, but the macOS and Linux versions are undertaken by others such as W4SMT. >>>> >>>> 73, Charles, K4ZRJ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 12:05 PM, Andy McMullin wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> This might seem like an odd question, but I?ve tried a search of the mail list archive and not found the answer. >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone know if there is a trick or other way around the error messages from the KX3 Utility, when run on a modern Macintosh (mine?s running OS-X Mojave, 10.14.4), about the software not being usable on future versions? It?s to do with 32-bit versus 64-bit and future versions of the OS not running old software. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks in advance. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Andy, G8TQH >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> >>> >>> >> > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From frantz at pwpconsult.com Wed Mar 27 16:43:32 2019 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 13:43:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility In-Reply-To: <25799476-3474-48C6-87E4-C7D3DC98CB21@rickham.net> Message-ID: Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next major release of MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham radio applications as well as the Elecraft utilities. My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them, and there is no formal support for it, and the available sources won't build under the modern MacOS development environment. I'm hoping for a miracle. 73 Bill AE6JV On 3/27/19 at 9:05 AM, Andy at rickham.net (Andy McMullin) wrote: >Does anyone know if there is a trick or other way around the >error messages from the KX3 Utility, when run on a modern >Macintosh (mine?s running OS-X Mojave, 10.14.4), about the >software not being usable on future versions? It?s to do with >32-bit versus 64-bit and future versions of the OS not running >old software. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz |"We used to quip that "password" is the most common 408-356-8506 | password. Now it's 'password1.' Who said users haven't www.pwpconsult.com | learned anything about security?" -- Bruce Schneier From rwnewbould at comcast.net Wed Mar 27 16:59:53 2019 From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 16:59:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 IF Output Message-ID: I have been running an SDR via the IF out of the K3.?? I now have a P3, can use the IF out of the P3 and send that to an SDR? I have no idea why I would even want to do that but I am curious if that will work. Rich K3RWN From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Wed Mar 27 17:23:59 2019 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 14:23:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3094f0cc-d681-61a8-99b1-dea3af63aaf8@triconet.org> You could always do what some of us Windows users do; keep an old computer around with legacy OS.? My two shack computers and my office desktop still run Win 7 Pro.? To run my N2PK VNA, I have a laptop with a parallel port running WinXP and I think there is still a 386 laptop out in the garage somewhere with Win95, just in case :-)? Of course the latter two have no WiFi cards in them to avoid troubles. Wes? N7WS ps. My son, who is the IT Manager for a national corporation, thinks I'm a Luddite. On 3/27/2019 1:43 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next major release of > MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham radio applications as well as the > Elecraft utilities. > > My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them, and there is no > formal support for it, and the available sources won't build under the modern > MacOS development environment. > > I'm hoping for a miracle. > > 73 Bill AE6JV From ghyoungman at gmail.com Wed Mar 27 17:28:35 2019 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 17:28:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71B08C86-461D-4203-AC3A-3608AA392D06@gmail.com> It?s kind of the way things go. I?d like to be able to run some 8-bit Z-80 apps I wrote in the 1970?s (in FORTH) without pulling my old Digital Group system out of the attic, but I can?t. Developers need to keep up. I imagine that the Elecraft macOS apps will show up as 64-bit compatible at some point, too. If not, Elecraft will alienate a (arguable small, perhaps) subset of their users, and I doubt that will happen. Grant NQ5T (Windows free for as long as I can remember) K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 > On Mar 27, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > > Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next major release of MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham radio applications as well as the Elecraft utilities. > > My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them, and there is no formal support for it, and the available sources won't build under the modern MacOS development environment. > > I'm hoping for a miracle. > From ve7fxg at gmail.com Wed Mar 27 18:06:59 2019 From: ve7fxg at gmail.com (Greg VE7FXG) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 15:06:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: Weighted knob for K3 Message-ID: Looking for a set of weighted VFO knobs for my K3. Would prefer the 73CNC knobs. If you have a set and wish to sell please email me directly. 73 Greg VE7FXG From Andy at rickham.net Wed Mar 27 18:10:30 2019 From: Andy at rickham.net (Andy McMullin) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 22:10:30 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility In-Reply-To: <71B08C86-461D-4203-AC3A-3608AA392D06@gmail.com> References: <71B08C86-461D-4203-AC3A-3608AA392D06@gmail.com> Message-ID: At least with Apps running in FORTH you could use something like SwiftForth and keep running them under Windows or MacOS! > On 27 Mar 2019, at 21:28, Grant Youngman wrote: > > It?s kind of the way things go. I?d like to be able to run some 8-bit Z-80 apps I wrote in the 1970?s (in FORTH) without pulling my old Digital Group system out of the attic, but I can?t. > > Developers need to keep up. I imagine that the Elecraft macOS apps will show up as 64-bit compatible at some point, too. If not, Elecraft will alienate a (arguable small, perhaps) subset of their users, and I doubt that will happen. > > Grant NQ5T (Windows free for as long as I can remember) > K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 > >> On Mar 27, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: >> >> Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next major release of MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham radio applications as well as the Elecraft utilities. >> >> My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them, and there is no formal support for it, and the available sources won't build under the modern MacOS development environment. >> >> I'm hoping for a miracle. >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From edauer at law.du.edu Wed Mar 27 18:12:09 2019 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 22:12:09 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Tinnitus and the K3 RX EQ and Related Variables Message-ID: A question about special settings for the K3?s RX EQ, AFX, filter width and passband settings and other on-board parameters for a particular problem . . . Just had a long visit with an audiologist, about a worsening tinnitus condition. Principal underlying cause is loss of acuity at the high end of the audio scale. I will not mention or ask about any of the contributing neurology, physiology, psychology or any other medical ology lest this post be branded with the Scarlet Letters OT. Other than to say, that to avoid making the situation worse I am told I should avoid exposing myself to audio environments that would make the underlying acuity loss worse. Has anyone who has faced this learned anything by experience or otherwise about the filter, EQ, and other settings for the K3 in both SSB and CW modes that would be best for this sort of thing? Please, speak up. Thanks, Ted, KN1CBR From Andy at rickham.net Wed Mar 27 18:13:53 2019 From: Andy at rickham.net (Andy McMullin) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 22:13:53 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility In-Reply-To: <3094f0cc-d681-61a8-99b1-dea3af63aaf8@triconet.org> References: <3094f0cc-d681-61a8-99b1-dea3af63aaf8@triconet.org> Message-ID: Wes, I wonder if a better answer would be to push for versions of the utilities that compile on an ARM chip so that it could be run on a Raspberry Pi. Particularly as it?s already been compiled for an X86 under Linux, so all the libraries should be there. I don?t think many of us would worry about spending 25 quid on a little computer to have just to run the utilities and maybe some of the modern digital modes? Regards Andy, G8TQH > On 27 Mar 2019, at 21:23, Wes wrote: > > You could always do what some of us Windows users do; keep an old computer around with legacy OS. My two shack computers and my office desktop still run Win 7 Pro. To run my N2PK VNA, I have a laptop with a parallel port running WinXP and I think there is still a 386 laptop out in the garage somewhere with Win95, just in case :-) Of course the latter two have no WiFi cards in them to avoid troubles. > > Wes N7WS > > ps. My son, who is the IT Manager for a national corporation, thinks I'm a Luddite. > > On 3/27/2019 1:43 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: >> Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next major release of MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham radio applications as well as the Elecraft utilities. >> >> My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them, and there is no formal support for it, and the available sources won't build under the modern MacOS development environment. >> >> I'm hoping for a miracle. >> >> 73 Bill AE6JV > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From wunder at wunderwood.org Wed Mar 27 18:19:59 2019 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 15:19:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Tinnitus and the K3 RX EQ and Related Variables In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I?m not quite clear about the audiologist?s recommendations. Did they tell you to avoid loud, high frequency sound? If so, ask them whether they consider 3 kHz to be high frequency. That is the highest frequency you should hear from an amateur SSB signal. Unless they and you are in ESSB mode, which would make it 4 kHz. I expect that they don?t consider 3 kHz to be high frequency. If that is true, you can do what ever you want with RX EQ. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Mar 27, 2019, at 3:12 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > A question about special settings for the K3?s RX EQ, AFX, filter width and passband settings and other on-board parameters for a particular problem . . . > > Just had a long visit with an audiologist, about a worsening tinnitus condition. Principal underlying cause is loss of acuity at the high end of the audio scale. I will not mention or ask about any of the contributing neurology, physiology, psychology or any other medical ology lest this post be branded with the Scarlet Letters OT. Other than to say, that to avoid making the situation worse I am told I should avoid exposing myself to audio environments that would make the underlying acuity loss worse. > > Has anyone who has faced this learned anything by experience or otherwise about the filter, EQ, and other settings for the K3 in both SSB and CW modes that would be best for this sort of thing? > > Please, speak up. > > Thanks, > > Ted, KN1CBR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From dbthompson at me.com Wed Mar 27 18:25:10 2019 From: dbthompson at me.com (David Thompson) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 15:25:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility In-Reply-To: References: <3094f0cc-d681-61a8-99b1-dea3af63aaf8@triconet.org> Message-ID: <985C05D1-6AF9-4BD3-B87A-89F7DB8C9502@me.com> What a wonderful idea? I?m thinking about adding a Pi to my shack/field kit to handle a number of chores without needing a larger computer. David Thompson Jack of All Trades Master of None dbthompson at me.com > On Mar 27, 2019, at 15:13, Andy McMullin wrote: > > Wes, > > I wonder if a better answer would be to push for versions of the utilities that compile on an ARM chip so that it could be run on a Raspberry Pi. Particularly as it?s already been compiled for an X86 under Linux, so all the libraries should be there. I don?t think many of us would worry about spending 25 quid on a little computer to have just to run the utilities and maybe some of the modern digital modes? > > Regards > Andy, G8TQH > >> On 27 Mar 2019, at 21:23, Wes wrote: >> >> You could always do what some of us Windows users do; keep an old computer around with legacy OS. My two shack computers and my office desktop still run Win 7 Pro. To run my N2PK VNA, I have a laptop with a parallel port running WinXP and I think there is still a 386 laptop out in the garage somewhere with Win95, just in case :-) Of course the latter two have no WiFi cards in them to avoid troubles. >> >> Wes N7WS >> >> ps. My son, who is the IT Manager for a national corporation, thinks I'm a Luddite. >> >> On 3/27/2019 1:43 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: >>> Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next major release of MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham radio applications as well as the Elecraft utilities. >>> >>> My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them, and there is no formal support for it, and the available sources won't build under the modern MacOS development environment. >>> >>> I'm hoping for a miracle. >>> >>> 73 Bill AE6JV >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us Wed Mar 27 18:50:47 2019 From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (Bob KD7YZ) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 18:50:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC knob control missing on my K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 3/27/2019 08:02, Richard Ferch wrote: > There is no ALC knob. Within the K3, My bad to paraphrase it that way "Line" It was the way I dickered with the apparent ALC "BARS" Now I can't get a TAP push or shove to say Line" FT8 Data-A as usual I am not concerned about the ancillary issue of number of bars as I was curious just what Config setting I changed to cause Line to go away -- 73 Bob KD7YZ AMSAT LM #901 From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Wed Mar 27 18:55:43 2019 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 15:55:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility In-Reply-To: References: <3094f0cc-d681-61a8-99b1-dea3af63aaf8@triconet.org> Message-ID: <69725067-2070-229f-6eb5-4a68ec4c3f0e@triconet.org> Andy, Maybe for some, but my eyes glaze over when you start talking about that stuff.? I've already experienced the sunk costs for the old hardware. Wes On 3/27/2019 3:13 PM, Andy McMullin wrote: > Wes, > > I wonder if a better answer would be to push for versions of the utilities that compile on an ARM chip so that it could be run on a Raspberry Pi. Particularly as it?s already been compiled for an X86 under Linux, so all the libraries should be there. I don?t think many of us would worry about spending 25 quid on a little computer to have just to run the utilities and maybe some of the modern digital modes? > > Regards > Andy, G8TQH > >> On 27 Mar 2019, at 21:23, Wes wrote: >> >> You could always do what some of us Windows users do; keep an old computer around with legacy OS. My two shack computers and my office desktop still run Win 7 Pro. To run my N2PK VNA, I have a laptop with a parallel port running WinXP and I think there is still a 386 laptop out in the garage somewhere with Win95, just in case :-) Of course the latter two have no WiFi cards in them to avoid troubles. >> >> Wes N7WS >> >> ps. My son, who is the IT Manager for a national corporation, thinks I'm a Luddite. >> >> On 3/27/2019 1:43 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: >>> Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next major release of MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham radio applications as well as the Elecraft utilities. >>> >>> My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them, and there is no formal support for it, and the available sources won't build under the modern MacOS development environment. >>> >>> I'm hoping for a miracle. >>> >>> 73 Bill AE6JV >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Wed Mar 27 19:01:06 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 18:01:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC knob control missing on my K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: With the radio in Data A mode, tap MENU, scroll to MIC SEL shown in the VFO B area, and then using the VFO knob scroll to Line In. Tap MENU to exit. The SPEED/MIC knob should have the LED illuminated showing MIC. When you turn the knob the VFO B area should show LINE xx where xx is the value of Line Gain.??? Normally about 35 or so. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/27/2019 5:50 PM, Bob KD7YZ wrote: > On 3/27/2019 08:02, Richard Ferch wrote: > >> There is no ALC knob. Within the K3, > My bad to paraphrase it that way > > "Line" > > It was the way I dickered with the apparent ALC "BARS" > > Now I can't get a TAP push or shove to say Line" > > FT8 Data-A as usual > > I am not concerned about the ancillary issue of number of bars as I was > curious just what Config setting I changed to cause Line to go away > > > > -- > 73 > Bob KD7YZ > AMSAT LM #901 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From kwidelitz at gmail.com Wed Mar 27 19:01:47 2019 From: kwidelitz at gmail.com (Ken Widelitz) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 16:01:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Tinnitus and the K3 RX EQ and Related Variables In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01d201d4e4f1$0ee13b00$2ca3b100$@gmail.com> Hi Ted, I lost about 60% of the hearing in my left ear about 6 years ago as a result of a virus that I didn't know I had until I thought I had water in my ear for over a week went to the doctor. The loss sharply increases after 550 - 600 hz, so it doesn't affect CW as much as phone. I also have a high frequency tinnitus, around 12 -14 khz. Honestly, I believe years of hamming have helped me filter out and deal with the tinnitus. A hearing aid also helps with the tinnitus, but for me does not help intelligibility at all. For me the issue with the K3 was I couldn't get enough volume to my left ear despite tweaking the RX EQ. I bought the new Heil PRAS as soon as it was available. I built a little breakout box to put it on the left ear only and I totally forget I have a hearing loss during contests. The PRAS can be optimized for your CW sweet spot or for SSB. It works very well. I turn up the volume until a mono signal is centered in my head overcoming the hearing deficit. I don't know how much credit the PRAS gets but the first time I used it for SS Phone was in 2018 and I came in 2nd SOU. I've never made the top 10 in SS Phone in any category ever before. Prior to the PRAS I used a FIIO headphone amp. They are much less expensive ($125 vs. $500.) They also worked for me, but IMHO the PRAS is better as it is designed for ham audio. The negatives are the price (I've asked Bob Heil to sell it without the powered speaker, but as of yet they don't) and the fact that it is a mono device (which isn't so much of a negative for me since my right ear still works fine.) To answer another of your questions, with the headphone amp I use the other K3 settings as I always have. Before I used a headphone amp, I never perceived an improvement in hearing from tweaking filters, RX EQ or other parameters. Does the increased volume further damage my hearing? I don't know. I don't care. I am functionally deaf in the left ear already. I do not perceive an increase in tinnitus or a further loss of hearing after a 48 hour contest as the result of using a headphone amp. Nor do I perceive an increase in hearing Morse coming from the fridge, faucet or AC after a CW contest, which I have always heard. 73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Walter Underwood Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 3:20 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Tinnitus and the K3 RX EQ and Related Variables I m not quite clear about the audiologist s recommendations. Did they tell you to avoid loud, high frequency sound? If so, ask them whether they consider 3 kHz to be high frequency. That is the highest frequency you should hear from an amateur SSB signal. Unless they and you are in ESSB mode, which would make it 4 kHz. I expect that they don t consider 3 kHz to be high frequency. If that is true, you can do what ever you want with RX EQ. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Mar 27, 2019, at 3:12 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > A question about special settings for the K3 s RX EQ, AFX, filter width and passband settings and other on-board parameters for a particular problem . . . > > Just had a long visit with an audiologist, about a worsening tinnitus condition. Principal underlying cause is loss of acuity at the high end of the audio scale. I will not mention or ask about any of the contributing neurology, physiology, psychology or any other medical ology lest this post be branded with the Scarlet Letters OT. Other than to say, that to avoid making the situation worse I am told I should avoid exposing myself to audio environments that would make the underlying acuity loss worse. > > Has anyone who has faced this learned anything by experience or otherwise about the filter, EQ, and other settings for the K3 in both SSB and CW modes that would be best for this sort of thing? > > Please, speak up. > > Thanks, > > Ted, KN1CBR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From kb1chu at aol.com Wed Mar 27 19:01:41 2019 From: kb1chu at aol.com (Steve) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 19:01:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility In-Reply-To: <985C05D1-6AF9-4BD3-B87A-89F7DB8C9502@me.com> References: <3094f0cc-d681-61a8-99b1-dea3af63aaf8@triconet.org> <985C05D1-6AF9-4BD3-B87A-89F7DB8C9502@me.com> Message-ID: I have a Raspberry Pi in a go box with APRS software and a program called Chirp. Chirp can program a whole slew of different radios (Not Elecraft) :-(. In Chirp I have files that have all the local repeaters and can install them as needed. I would love to add Elecraft utilities to my Pi. Steve kb1chu On 3/27/2019 6:25 PM, David Thompson via Elecraft wrote: > What a wonderful idea? I?m thinking about adding a Pi to my shack/field kit to handle a number of chores without needing a larger computer. > > David Thompson > Jack of All Trades > Master of None > dbthompson at me.com > > > >> On Mar 27, 2019, at 15:13, Andy McMullin wrote: >> >> Wes, >> >> I wonder if a better answer would be to push for versions of the utilities that compile on an ARM chip so that it could be run on a Raspberry Pi. Particularly as it?s already been compiled for an X86 under Linux, so all the libraries should be there. I don?t think many of us would worry about spending 25 quid on a little computer to have just to run the utilities and maybe some of the modern digital modes? >> >> Regards >> Andy, G8TQH >> >>> On 27 Mar 2019, at 21:23, Wes wrote: >>> >>> You could always do what some of us Windows users do; keep an old computer around with legacy OS. My two shack computers and my office desktop still run Win 7 Pro. To run my N2PK VNA, I have a laptop with a parallel port running WinXP and I think there is still a 386 laptop out in the garage somewhere with Win95, just in case :-) Of course the latter two have no WiFi cards in them to avoid troubles. >>> >>> Wes N7WS >>> >>> ps. My son, who is the IT Manager for a national corporation, thinks I'm a Luddite. >>> >>> On 3/27/2019 1:43 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: >>>> Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next major release of MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham radio applications as well as the Elecraft utilities. >>>> >>>> My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them, and there is no formal support for it, and the available sources won't build under the modern MacOS development environment. >>>> >>>> I'm hoping for a miracle. >>>> >>>> 73 Bill AE6JV >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From nr4c at widomaker.com Wed Mar 27 19:05:20 2019 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 19:05:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 IF Output In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43A9543B-99C6-499E-B005-DFC02951A481@widomaker.com> I believe that?s what it was put there for. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 27, 2019, at 4:59 PM, Rich wrote: > > I have been running an SDR via the IF out of the K3. I now have a P3, can use the IF out of the P3 and send that to an SDR? > > I have no idea why I would even want to do that but I am curious if that will work. > > Rich > > K3RWN > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Mar 27 19:07:30 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 16:07:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility In-Reply-To: <3094f0cc-d681-61a8-99b1-dea3af63aaf8@triconet.org> References: <3094f0cc-d681-61a8-99b1-dea3af63aaf8@triconet.org> Message-ID: <50071d7e-346a-bd56-3fa9-0384727b12bc@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 3/27/2019 2:23 PM, Wes wrote: > My two shack computers and my office desktop still run Win 7 Pro.? To > run my N2PK VNA, I have a laptop with a parallel port running WinXP Yep. I still have vintage Thinkpads left over from my days in biz that are running XP Pro; one of them runs my VNWA, and I've used both of them for contest logging. The two Thinkpads in my shack run Win7 Pro, and I paid extra to get Win7 (rather than 10) on the used X2 I bought for guys to backpack up to CM79. As long as Microsoft continues to force updates on THEIR schedule, I'm sticking with Win 7 for the shack as long as possible. I WANT the updates, but I want to apply them on MY schedule. 73, Jim K9YC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Mar 27 19:11:36 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 16:11:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC knob control missing on my K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's amazing the things you can learn simply by reading the manual.? It's the first thing I do with an new product. 73, Jim K9YC On 3/27/2019 4:01 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > With the radio in Data A mode, tap MENU, scroll to MIC SEL shown in > the VFO B area, and then using the VFO knob scroll to Line In. Tap > MENU to exit. > > The SPEED/MIC knob should have the LED illuminated showing MIC. When > you turn the knob the VFO B area should show LINE xx where xx is the > value of Line Gain.??? Normally about 35 or so. From jackbrindle at me.com Wed Mar 27 19:15:10 2019 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 16:15:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility In-Reply-To: <71B08C86-461D-4203-AC3A-3608AA392D06@gmail.com> References: <71B08C86-461D-4203-AC3A-3608AA392D06@gmail.com> Message-ID: <974CAD71-2FEF-44EE-8210-A890481B43A1@me.com> Guys; Realize that Mac versions of the utilities are important to us ?insiders? also. This is something that will be addressed in due time. 73! Jack, W6FB > On Mar 27, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Grant Youngman wrote: > > It?s kind of the way things go. I?d like to be able to run some 8-bit Z-80 apps I wrote in the 1970?s (in FORTH) without pulling my old Digital Group system out of the attic, but I can?t. > > Developers need to keep up. I imagine that the Elecraft macOS apps will show up as 64-bit compatible at some point, too. If not, Elecraft will alienate a (arguable small, perhaps) subset of their users, and I doubt that will happen. > > Grant NQ5T (Windows free for as long as I can remember) > K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 > >> On Mar 27, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: >> >> Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next major release of MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham radio applications as well as the Elecraft utilities. >> >> My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them, and there is no formal support for it, and the available sources won't build under the modern MacOS development environment. >> >> I'm hoping for a miracle. >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From wa6nhc at gmail.com Wed Mar 27 19:25:07 2019 From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 16:25:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC knob control missing on my K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heh, I'm the exact opposite.? It's one of my evaluation test points that if the device/software is truly user intuitive, friendly etc, the manual become superfluous, rarely needed.? But for picking out the nits and finer subtle details these days, one must read because ultimately, they matter. Hurray for PDF and the search function!? You can keep a van load of 'books' on your phones now. Rick NHC On 3/27/2019 4:11 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > It's amazing the things you can learn simply by reading the manual. > It's the first thing I do with an new product. > > 73, Jim K9YC > From ww3s at zoominternet.net Wed Mar 27 19:40:58 2019 From: ww3s at zoominternet.net (Jamie WW3S) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 23:40:58 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] pelican case for K3? Message-ID: Any suggestions for size for a Pelican/pelican type case for a K3 for carry on airline travel? From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Mar 27 19:50:37 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 19:50:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC knob control missing on my K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rick, Have you bought a new vehicle lately? My 2017 model (moving from a 2008 model) had more bells and whistles than I could imagine. The salesman made an attempt at familiarizing me with the various functions, but the mind became saturated during his demo, and I concentrated only on what was necessary to drive it home! I had to read the owner's manual to be able to deal properly with the vehicle. So RTFM. All transceivers are not the same. What is OK for some is not OK for others. Case in point is the way the Elecraft transceivers control power. Other amateur transceivers can control the power output in an open loop with the amount of audio that is produced. Elecraft transceivers control power output in a closed loop and must be treated differently. The manual statement to adjust the audio for voice operation for 5 to 7 bars on the ALC meter, and for soundcard digital modes to set the audio for 4 bars solid and the 5th bar flashing must be respected. The power output must be controlled by the POWER knob, and not the audio level. Read the manual - that information I gave above is not intuitive because much internet advice and even the instructions for some of the application software do not consider the Elecraft method of power output control. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/27/2019 7:25 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: > Heh, I'm the exact opposite.? It's one of my evaluation test points that > if the device/software is truly user intuitive, friendly etc, the manual > become superfluous, rarely needed.? But for picking out the nits and > finer subtle details these days, one must read because ultimately, they > matter. > > Hurray for PDF and the search function!? You can keep a van load of > 'books' on your phones now. > > Rick NHC > > On 3/27/2019 4:11 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> It's amazing the things you can learn simply by reading the manual. >> It's the first thing I do with an new product. >> From lists at w2irt.net Wed Mar 27 19:52:07 2019 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 19:52:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 IF Output In-Reply-To: <43A9543B-99C6-499E-B005-DFC02951A481@widomaker.com> References: <43A9543B-99C6-499E-B005-DFC02951A481@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <10c001d4e4f8$16f89840$44e9c8c0$@w2irt.net> Just remember to place the switch in the on position if you do. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Nr4c Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 7:05 PM To: Rich Cc: Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 IF Output I believe that?s what it was put there for. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 27, 2019, at 4:59 PM, Rich wrote: > > I have been running an SDR via the IF out of the K3. I now have a P3, can use the IF out of the P3 and send that to an SDR? > > I have no idea why I would even want to do that but I am curious if that will work. > > Rich > > K3RWN > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From tmyers1031 at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 27 20:22:21 2019 From: tmyers1031 at sbcglobal.net (Terry) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 19:22:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility In-Reply-To: References: <3094f0cc-d681-61a8-99b1-dea3af63aaf8@triconet.org> <985C05D1-6AF9-4BD3-B87A-89F7DB8C9502@me.com> Message-ID: <7b4048b1-9e9e-91f0-7ec6-215bc6460d54@sbcglobal.net> What OS are you using on the RPi? Terry, KQ5U On 3/27/2019 6:01 PM, Steve via Elecraft wrote: > I have a Raspberry Pi in a go box with APRS software and a program > called Chirp. Chirp can program a whole slew of different radios (Not > Elecraft) :-(. In Chirp I have files that have all the local repeaters > and can install them as needed. I would love to add Elecraft utilities > to my Pi. Steve kb1chu > > On 3/27/2019 6:25 PM, David Thompson via Elecraft wrote: >> What a wonderful idea? I?m thinking about adding a Pi to my >> shack/field kit to handle a number of chores without needing a larger >> computer. >> >> David Thompson >> Jack of All Trades >> Master of None >> dbthompson at me.com >> >> >> >>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 15:13, Andy McMullin wrote: >>> >>> Wes, >>> >>> I wonder if a better answer would be to push for versions of the >>> utilities that compile on an ARM chip so that it could be run on a >>> Raspberry Pi. Particularly as it?s already been compiled for an X86 >>> under Linux, so all the libraries should be there. I don?t think >>> many of us would worry about spending 25 quid on a little computer >>> to have just to run the utilities and maybe some of the modern >>> digital modes? >>> >>> Regards >>> Andy, G8TQH >>> >>>> On 27 Mar 2019, at 21:23, Wes wrote: >>>> >>>> You could always do what some of us Windows users do; keep an old >>>> computer around with legacy OS.? My two shack computers and my >>>> office desktop still run Win 7 Pro.? To run my N2PK VNA, I have a >>>> laptop with a parallel port running WinXP and I think there is >>>> still a 386 laptop out in the garage somewhere with Win95, just in >>>> case :-)? Of course the latter two have no WiFi cards in them to >>>> avoid troubles. >>>> >>>> Wes? N7WS >>>> >>>> ps. My son, who is the IT Manager for a national corporation, >>>> thinks I'm a Luddite. >>>> >>>> On 3/27/2019 1:43 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: >>>>> Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next major >>>>> release of MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham radio >>>>> applications as well as the Elecraft utilities. >>>>> >>>>> My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them, and >>>>> there is no formal support for it, and the available sources won't >>>>> build under the modern MacOS development environment. >>>>> >>>>> I'm hoping for a miracle. >>>>> >>>>> 73 Bill AE6JV >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From skjasper at att.net Wed Mar 27 20:28:01 2019 From: skjasper at att.net (NE9U - Jasper) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 19:28:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] k3 pelican case 1510 Message-ID: i use the pelican 1510 for my carribean trips....i have the handle removed from the k3 to make it fit better. the k3, powerwerxs supply, laptop computer, cables, and a few other things fit fine. Scott NE9U Message: 23 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 23:40:58 +0000 From: "Jamie WW3S" To:"elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: [Elecraft] pelican case for K3? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8 Any suggestions for size for a Pelican/pelican type case for a K3 for carry on airline travel? ------------------------------ -- Scott - NE9U skjasper at att.net skjasper73 at gmail.com ne9u at arrl.net Sent from my Cray-1 From wa6nhc at gmail.com Wed Mar 27 20:43:20 2019 From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 17:43:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC knob control missing on my K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6ce17424-083b-7925-5e17-2e665e935a69@gmail.com> Hi Don, Not lately, but I've rented (Camaro); not with ALL the foo foo items, but it went WAY fast in a big hurry! That was kinda the point of that choice, apply more foot; go more fast.? While waiting for the passenger, I ran through the dash menu, made the readout settings the way I wanted them (synched to my phone for tunes) and it was pretty simple.? But I'm also used to that brand, GM, since I own a couple and have driven many other brands (International, Kenworth, Dodge, Ford and others).? Another brand, should be as simple (presuming US English is used in the proper form in the menu).? Reprogramming a key fob, read the manual, there's nothing intuitive about it (purposely more difficult I suspect for security reasons). You're correct of course, but... how many really take the time (to read?) before they fire up any new rig?? No, they get the new rig itchies, connect an antenna, power it up and start fiddling about (guilty!).? Only when they find an issue ("Your audio is lousy!") do they really dive in.? For almost every other brand, that's sufficient; not Elecraft (who does things better). When I first built the K3, that's what I did, dove in... Only when I caught my breath, did I take time to learn (and redo in a couple minor items) the Elecraft way.? That is a testament to the intuitive set up (and the durability for some folks that push those limits) of the line. In fairness, I scanned the manual while waiting for the kits to arrive, I wasn't totally clueless.? Scanned does not imply study, it means a basic review; much is the same as most any other radio.? Audio is one of the few things that requires a little more depth than with other brands; also power settings. Fortunately, the layout, by design puts the typically (played with) user items 'on the surface' and the ones that can really screw up what is heard and sent, deeper in the menus; and many of those deeper items still use the default settings.? But once the initial rush is over, read the manual; you'll get a deeper understanding of WHY you want things, THIS way.? So the jump in and drive isn't always 'wrong', just uninformed. Reading the manual(s) (NOT the Internet) isn't fun, it isn't sexy but you might learn something new. The rest of my lighthearted jab was that many 'things' fail in the simplicity test; they're not intuitive, they're often inverted reverse backwards logic only on second Tuesdays with a half moon, if they have any sense at all.? I submit that the Baofeng HT programming from the front panel is one example of lousy, not intuitive, user interface,even the menu is often wrong (program via software, save your hair; I gave mine away). That is one example of an instant fail on my rating system.? One shouldn't need a PhD to operate a device or software of any kind at a basic level, if the engineer did their job.? Elecraft has; it's not a challenge on most things; subtle points matter though. Rick nhc On 3/27/2019 4:50 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Rick, > > Have you bought a new vehicle lately?? My 2017 model (moving from a > 2008 model) had more bells and whistles than I could imagine. The > salesman made an attempt at familiarizing me with the various > functions, but the mind became saturated during his demo, and I > concentrated only on what was necessary to drive it home! > > I had to read the owner's manual to be able to deal properly with the > vehicle.?? So RTFM.? All transceivers are not the same.? What is OK > for some is not OK for others. > > Case in point is the way the Elecraft transceivers control power. > Other amateur transceivers can control the power output in an open > loop with the amount of audio that is produced. > Elecraft transceivers control power output in a closed loop and must > be treated differently.? The manual statement to adjust the audio for > voice operation for 5 to 7 bars on the ALC meter, and for soundcard > digital modes to set the audio for 4 bars solid and the 5th bar > flashing must be respected.? The power output must be controlled by > the POWER knob, and not the audio level. > > Read the manual - that information I gave above is not intuitive > because much internet advice and even the instructions for some of the > application software do not consider the Elecraft method of power > output control. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/27/2019 7:25 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: >> Heh, I'm the exact opposite.? It's one of my evaluation test points >> that if the device/software is truly user intuitive, friendly etc, >> the manual become superfluous, rarely needed.? But for picking out >> the nits and finer subtle details these days, one must read because >> ultimately, they matter. >> >> Hurray for PDF and the search function!? You can keep a van load of >> 'books' on your phones now. >> >> Rick NHC >> >> On 3/27/2019 4:11 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >>> It's amazing the things you can learn simply by reading the manual. >>> It's the first thing I do with an new product. >>> From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Wed Mar 27 21:28:30 2019 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 22:28:30 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] E850512 cable connections Message-ID: Hello I am trying to build a cable for remoterig box for digital. On K3 Remote Owner's Manual Rev D.pdf page 26 https://ftp.elecraft.com/K3-Remote/Manuals%20Downloads/K3%20Remote%20Owner's%20Manual%20%20Rev%20D.pdf RJ45 #5 is going to 8-pin DIN # 2 or #4? Picture say #4 but text say #2, which one is correct? -- 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W Libre de virus. www.avast.com <#m_-8235943176643163619_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> From ardrhi at gmail.com Wed Mar 27 21:28:46 2019 From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 21:28:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Tinnitus and the K3 RX EQ and Related Variables In-Reply-To: <01d201d4e4f1$0ee13b00$2ca3b100$@gmail.com> References: <01d201d4e4f1$0ee13b00$2ca3b100$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I should probably see an audiologist someday. I've had nasty tinnitus as long as I can remember. I spent most of my youth around loud musical instruments, having begun playing brass instruments in 3rd grade. I've been in many loud environments since, even though I don't recall it being a lot of times until around 2001, when I got into shooting. But I always used really good hearing protection. I'm finding pulling weak signals out of radio noise difficult. The biggest problem is that my tinnitus pulses. It'll get louder, change frequency, then get quieter, and seems to shift from ear to ear, almost as if I'm hearing a real sound that's changing phase. That plays hob with CW signals, let me tell you! If I listen to S9 white noise, no matter whether there's a signal there or not, I can always hear something that could be a very faint CW signal. It isn't there, but my brain THINKS it is, and tries to decode it and can't. It's very frustrating, to have a sort of bandit signal in one's own ears. Maybe an audiologist can help me with it, and I'm glad someone popped up with the idea, because it had never occurred to me that there WERE audiologists (of course there are, why wouldn't there be?) until I read this post. Sorry if there isn't enough topic in it, but part of ham radio is being able to perceive the signals, after all. If I'm going to be losing my hearing, I want to start learning to use visual cues for CW signals early on, so I don't lose the ability entirely! Gwen, NG3P On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 7:02 PM Ken Widelitz wrote: > Hi Ted, > > I lost about 60% of the hearing in my left ear about 6 years ago as a > result of a virus that I didn't know I had until I thought I had water in > my ear for over a week went to the doctor. The loss sharply increases after > 550 - 600 hz, so it doesn't affect CW as much as phone. I also have a high > frequency tinnitus, around 12 -14 khz. Honestly, I believe years of hamming > have helped me filter out and deal with the tinnitus. A hearing aid also > helps with the tinnitus, but for me does not help intelligibility at all. > > For me the issue with the K3 was I couldn't get enough volume to my left > ear despite tweaking the RX EQ. > > I bought the new Heil PRAS as soon as it was available. I built a little > breakout box to put it on the left ear only and I totally forget I have a > hearing loss during contests. The PRAS can be optimized for your CW sweet > spot or for SSB. It works very well. I turn up the volume until a mono > signal is centered in my head overcoming the hearing deficit. I don't know > how much credit the PRAS gets but the first time I used it for SS Phone was > in 2018 and I came in 2nd SOU. I've never made the top 10 in SS Phone in > any category ever before. > > Prior to the PRAS I used a FIIO headphone amp. They are much less > expensive ($125 vs. $500.) They also worked for me, but IMHO the PRAS is > better as it is designed for ham audio. The negatives are the price (I've > asked Bob Heil to sell it without the powered speaker, but as of yet they > don't) and the fact that it is a mono device (which isn't so much of a > negative for me since my right ear still works fine.) To answer another of > your questions, with the headphone amp I use the other K3 settings as I > always have. Before I used a headphone amp, I never perceived an > improvement in hearing from tweaking filters, RX EQ or other parameters. > > Does the increased volume further damage my hearing? I don't know. I don't > care. I am functionally deaf in the left ear already. I do not perceive an > increase in tinnitus or a further loss of hearing after a 48 hour contest > as the result of using a headphone amp. Nor do I perceive an increase in > hearing Morse coming from the fridge, faucet or AC after a CW contest, > which I have always heard. > > 73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto: > elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Walter Underwood > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 3:20 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Tinnitus and the K3 RX EQ and Related Variables > > I m not quite clear about the audiologist s recommendations. Did they tell > you to avoid loud, high frequency sound? > > If so, ask them whether they consider 3 kHz to be high frequency. That is > the highest frequency you should hear from an amateur SSB signal. Unless > they and you are in ESSB mode, which would make it 4 kHz. > > I expect that they don t consider 3 kHz to be high frequency. If that is > true, you can do what ever you want with RX EQ. > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > > > On Mar 27, 2019, at 3:12 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > > > A question about special settings for the K3 s RX EQ, AFX, filter width > and passband settings and other on-board parameters for a particular > problem . . . > > > > Just had a long visit with an audiologist, about a worsening tinnitus > condition. Principal underlying cause is loss of acuity at the high end of > the audio scale. I will not mention or ask about any of the contributing > neurology, physiology, psychology or any other medical ology lest this post > be branded with the Scarlet Letters OT. Other than to say, that to avoid > making the situation worse I am told I should avoid exposing myself to > audio environments that would make the underlying acuity loss worse. > > > > Has anyone who has faced this learned anything by experience or > otherwise about the filter, EQ, and other settings for the K3 in both SSB > and CW modes that would be best for this sort of thing? > > > > Please, speak up. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ted, KN1CBR > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- -+-+-+-+- Jenny Everywhere's Infinite: Quark Time http://quarktime.net From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Mar 27 23:31:26 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 20:31:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Tinnitus and the K3 RX EQ and Related Variables In-Reply-To: References: <01d201d4e4f1$0ee13b00$2ca3b100$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <92e7e8f2-1405-3b53-76d3-88f2ee46214c@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 3/27/2019 6:28 PM, Gwen Patton wrote: > Maybe an audiologist can help me with it, and I'm glad > someone popped up with the idea, because it had never occurred to me that > there WERE audiologists (of course there are, why wouldn't there be?) until > I read this post. Yes, you should. But watch your wallet when he/she tries to sell you the hearing aids that pay her/him a BIG commission. 73, Jim K9YC From kb1chu at aol.com Thu Mar 28 00:27:29 2019 From: kb1chu at aol.com (Steve) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 00:27:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility In-Reply-To: <7b4048b1-9e9e-91f0-7ec6-215bc6460d54@sbcglobal.net> References: <3094f0cc-d681-61a8-99b1-dea3af63aaf8@triconet.org> <985C05D1-6AF9-4BD3-B87A-89F7DB8C9502@me.com> <7b4048b1-9e9e-91f0-7ec6-215bc6460d54@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <3b288d3c-2b3b-b808-faa1-0644ddab9e22@aol.com> I have always used the latest version of Raspberian. Now its raspbian stretch. https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/ I have an 8 AH 12 volt SLA battery and a small 12 to 5 volt converter for the PI . The battery is also the supply for my KX3 and can recharge an HT. I would be excited to be able to add Elecraft utilities to the Raspberry Pi. Yes SLA batteries are heavy but I have yet to meet a ham that couldn't use a little bit more exercise. Myself included.They are also cheap. Steve kb1chu On 3/27/2019 8:22 PM, Terry wrote: > What OS are you using on the RPi? > Terry, KQ5U > > On 3/27/2019 6:01 PM, Steve via Elecraft wrote: >> I have a Raspberry Pi in a go box with APRS software and a program >> called Chirp. Chirp can program a whole slew of different radios (Not >> Elecraft) :-(. In Chirp I have files that have all the local >> repeaters and can install them as needed. I would love to add >> Elecraft utilities to my Pi. Steve kb1chu >> >> On 3/27/2019 6:25 PM, David Thompson via Elecraft wrote: >>> What a wonderful idea? I?m thinking about adding a Pi to my >>> shack/field kit to handle a number of chores without needing a >>> larger computer. >>> >>> David Thompson >>> Jack of All Trades >>> Master of None >>> dbthompson at me.com >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 15:13, Andy McMullin wrote: >>>> >>>> Wes, >>>> >>>> I wonder if a better answer would be to push for versions of the >>>> utilities that compile on an ARM chip so that it could be run on a >>>> Raspberry Pi. Particularly as it?s already been compiled for an X86 >>>> under Linux, so all the libraries should be there. I don?t think >>>> many of us would worry about spending 25 quid on a little computer >>>> to have just to run the utilities and maybe some of the modern >>>> digital modes? >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Andy, G8TQH >>>> >>>>> On 27 Mar 2019, at 21:23, Wes wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You could always do what some of us Windows users do; keep an old >>>>> computer around with legacy OS.? My two shack computers and my >>>>> office desktop still run Win 7 Pro.? To run my N2PK VNA, I have a >>>>> laptop with a parallel port running WinXP and I think there is >>>>> still a 386 laptop out in the garage somewhere with Win95, just in >>>>> case :-)? Of course the latter two have no WiFi cards in them to >>>>> avoid troubles. >>>>> >>>>> Wes? N7WS >>>>> >>>>> ps. My son, who is the IT Manager for a national corporation, >>>>> thinks I'm a Luddite. >>>>> >>>>> On 3/27/2019 1:43 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: >>>>>> Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next >>>>>> major release of MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham >>>>>> radio applications as well as the Elecraft utilities. >>>>>> >>>>>> My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them, and >>>>>> there is no formal support for it, and the available sources >>>>>> won't build under the modern MacOS development environment. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm hoping for a miracle. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73 Bill AE6JV >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Mar 28 00:32:19 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 00:32:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Tinnitus and the K3 RX EQ and Related Variables In-Reply-To: References: <01d201d4e4f1$0ee13b00$2ca3b100$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <908b6504-1588-ae9c-fc04-ac06fa0f77a8@embarqmail.com> Gwen and all, If you find yourself in that situation, get yourself good hearing aids and wear them all the time during your waking hours. In most cases, that will reduce the tinnitus drastically or eliminate it. Your brain will soon figure out that it does not have to invent sounds that produce the tinnitus. Yes, you will need the help of a good audiologist to get the customized programming for your particular ears set right for you - which frequency bands need amplification and by how much is not a trivial undertaking. The DSP programming in modern hearing aids is really amazing. I don't know how they get so much function in such a small device. They are expensive, but well worth it. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/27/2019 9:28 PM, Gwen Patton wrote: > I should probably see an audiologist someday. I've had nasty tinnitus as > long as I can remember. I spent most of my youth around loud musical > instruments, having begun playing brass instruments in 3rd grade. I've been > in many loud environments since, even though I don't recall it being a lot > of times until around 2001, when I got into shooting. But I always used > really good hearing protection. From criradul2001 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 28 04:12:25 2019 From: criradul2001 at yahoo.com (Cristian Radulescu) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:12:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] F.S. KDSP2 References: <1669021266.12453929.1553760745135.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1669021266.12453929.1553760745135@mail.yahoo.com> Hi guys,Up for sale is a KDSP2 in perfect working order from my K2 #6641.It doesn't get to much use anymore after QTH conditions modified.Asking 200 USD + shipping from Bucharest, Romania.Please answer off list.Best 73's de YO3IAZ, Cristian. From djwilcox01 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 28 04:37:22 2019 From: djwilcox01 at yahoo.com (David Wilcox) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 04:37:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Tinnitus and the K3 RX EQ and Related Variables In-Reply-To: <908b6504-1588-ae9c-fc04-ac06fa0f77a8@embarqmail.com> References: <01d201d4e4f1$0ee13b00$2ca3b100$@gmail.com> <908b6504-1588-ae9c-fc04-ac06fa0f77a8@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <9A4EDF72-ACD4-4B43-A68B-C433F3212CF2@yahoo.com> I second the motion about hearing aids and cost. Get a couple of opinions from different vendors and don?t be afraid to ask your friends.... look closely and many of your friends may have hearing aids that you were not aware of. My audiologist has been in the business since a kid as his father was the only local audiologist back in the day here in Traverse City. He knows about us hams and listens to our needs. His prices are also lower than some of the new pretty ladies who are popping up on every corner in this popular home for senior citizens and paying for TV advertising. Locally our Sams Club has decent prices and now Costco is in town too. A good pair of bluetooth hearing aids cost around $5000 but are worth it to me. I can make adjustments on the fly and also listen to my iPhone without wearing ear buds. I can also vary the ability to knock down noise in restaurants and on radio or enhance speech. At music concerts I can adjust them for different auditoriums and even different kinds if music. With a bluetooth transmitter or the TV ears hooked to my xcvr I can pipe the sound right to my hearing aids. It is great. The VA has hearing aid benefits but their service isn?t local. You have to drive down state to get them and for any adjustment. I guess the thing I am trying to say is if you have a hearing loss you are losing out on life. Get tested and at least try them. There is no charge until you buy. Also some audiologists take trade ins or have sets from clients who have passed away and will give them to you with a low cost to adjust them to your needs. Don?t be afraid to ask. Your family will thank you and life will be much better. I think hearing loss is one of the reasons older hams can get crotchety (my wife says I am both of those). Ha! From one who has been there, done that! Dave K8WPE David J. Wilcox K8WPE?s iPad > On Mar 28, 2019, at 12:32 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Gwen and all, > > If you find yourself in that situation, get yourself good hearing aids and wear them all the time during your waking hours. In most cases, that will reduce the tinnitus drastically or eliminate it. > Your brain will soon figure out that it does not have to invent sounds that produce the tinnitus. Yes, you will need the help of a good audiologist to get the customized programming for your particular ears set right for you - which frequency bands need amplification and by how much is not a trivial undertaking. > > The DSP programming in modern hearing aids is really amazing. I don't know how they get so much function in such a small device. > > They are expensive, but well worth it. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 3/27/2019 9:28 PM, Gwen Patton wrote: >> I should probably see an audiologist someday. I've had nasty tinnitus as >> long as I can remember. I spent most of my youth around loud musical >> instruments, having begun playing brass instruments in 3rd grade. I've been >> in many loud environments since, even though I don't recall it being a lot >> of times until around 2001, when I got into shooting. But I always used >> really good hearing protection. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Mar 28 05:17:34 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 02:17:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Tinnitus and the K3 RX EQ and Related Variables In-Reply-To: <9A4EDF72-ACD4-4B43-A68B-C433F3212CF2@yahoo.com> References: <01d201d4e4f1$0ee13b00$2ca3b100$@gmail.com> <908b6504-1588-ae9c-fc04-ac06fa0f77a8@embarqmail.com> <9A4EDF72-ACD4-4B43-A68B-C433F3212CF2@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <37b3f343-1db8-926a-4386-346b7f2c6e02@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 3/28/2019 1:37 AM, David Wilcox via Elecraft wrote: > Locally our Sams Club has decent prices and now Costco is in town too. I investigated this when my XYL wanted (and needed) aids. Costco has a great reputation for first class aids at half the cost of the same stuff from private audiologists. I went with her for her exams and fittings, and also had my own hearing checked. I'm a retired audio professional, Fellow of the Audio Engineering Society and emeritus member of the Acoustical Society of America, so I have strong background in these issues. I was VERY impressed with everything they did for her and for me, and a year later, she's still a very happy camper. At 77 years old, I've got significant high frequency hearing loss, but my needs are different from hers, and I haven't yet decided that I need aids. When I do, I'll go to Costco. In the short term, I've used this product from a first rate company in Chicago whose engineers were active in our AES section. They are a good solution for moderate, age-related loss of high frequency hearing, and at moderate cost. Their response is tailored for that, and there are two gain settings -- about 15 dB and about 25 dB. I use them on the lower setting when I'm going to be in an acoustic setting listening to a speaker that I'm interested in, and where the PA is not great. They are NOT a good solution for the tinnitus issues of original poster in this thread. https://www.etymotic.com/consumer/personal-sound-amplifiers/bean-qsa.html For those with modest hearing loss, RXEQ can be adjusted with lots of cut in the lower octave bands and boost in the higher octave bands. Whether this is enough will depend on our own hearing loss. My friend K6DGW, who has a lot of hearing loss, says it helps him. 73, Jim K9YC From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us Thu Mar 28 05:24:55 2019 From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (Bob KD7YZ) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 05:24:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] ALC knob control missing on my K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 3/27/2019 19:01, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > With the radio in Data A mode, tap MENU, scroll to MIC SEL YES!!! the definitive answer !! Apparently, I had mistakenly changed that setting. thank you very much for a succinct answer! -- 73 Bob KD7YZ AMSAT LM #901 From forums at david-woolley.me.uk Thu Mar 28 08:32:22 2019 From: forums at david-woolley.me.uk (David Woolley) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 12:32:22 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility In-Reply-To: References: <3094f0cc-d681-61a8-99b1-dea3af63aaf8@triconet.org> Message-ID: I assume you mean that has been compiled for, as if you can compile it you can probably compile if for many different architectures. However ARM is not a single machine type. There are many different ARM family devices with different instruction sets. You would probably want a specific Raspberry Pi build. On 27/03/2019 22:13, Andy McMullin wrote: > I wonder if a better answer would be to push for versions of the utilities that compile on an ARM chip so that it could be run on a Raspberry Pi. From forums at david-woolley.me.uk Thu Mar 28 08:35:50 2019 From: forums at david-woolley.me.uk (David Woolley) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 12:35:50 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Tinnitus and the K3 RX EQ and Related Variables In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would expect an audiologist to consider 3kHz as a high frequency, as they are generally interested in speech intelligibility, and hearing aids are not, generally, high bandwidth devices. It's also high in musician's terms, being three and a bit octaves above middle C. Someone with age related loss could easily be about 40dB down at that frequency. On 27/03/2019 22:19, Walter Underwood wrote: > If so, ask them whether they consider 3 kHz to be high frequency. From w2up at comcast.net Thu Mar 28 08:36:01 2019 From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 05:36:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Tinnitus and the K3 RX EQ and Related Variables In-Reply-To: <37b3f343-1db8-926a-4386-346b7f2c6e02@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <01d201d4e4f1$0ee13b00$2ca3b100$@gmail.com> <908b6504-1588-ae9c-fc04-ac06fa0f77a8@embarqmail.com> <9A4EDF72-ACD4-4B43-A68B-C433F3212CF2@yahoo.com> <37b3f343-1db8-926a-4386-346b7f2c6e02@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <1553776561357-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Ted, If the RX EQ isn't enough, and you're interested in a relatively simple homebrew project, I recall an article in QST by Hal, N4GG, about 15 years ago, for an outboard equalizer for use with headphones. Barry W2UP -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From wrmoore47 at gmail.com Thu Mar 28 09:17:46 2019 From: wrmoore47 at gmail.com (Randy Moore) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:17:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Tinnitus and the K3 RX EQ and Related Variables In-Reply-To: <37b3f343-1db8-926a-4386-346b7f2c6e02@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <01d201d4e4f1$0ee13b00$2ca3b100$@gmail.com> <908b6504-1588-ae9c-fc04-ac06fa0f77a8@embarqmail.com> <9A4EDF72-ACD4-4B43-A68B-C433F3212CF2@yahoo.com> <37b3f343-1db8-926a-4386-346b7f2c6e02@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Just want to echo the comments on hearing aids from Costco. I?ve had excellent service, excellent hearing aids, and very good pricing from our local Costco. 73, Randy, KS4L > On Mar 28, 2019, at 4:17 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On 3/28/2019 1:37 AM, David Wilcox via Elecraft wrote: >> Locally our Sams Club has decent prices and now Costco is in town too. > > I investigated this when my XYL wanted (and needed) aids. Costco has a great reputation for first class aids at half the cost of the same stuff from private audiologists. I went with her for her exams and fittings, and also had my own hearing checked. I'm a retired audio professional, Fellow of the Audio Engineering Society and emeritus member of the Acoustical Society of America, so I have strong background in these issues. I was VERY impressed with everything they did for her and for me, and a year later, she's still a very happy camper. > > At 77 years old, I've got significant high frequency hearing loss, but my needs are different from hers, and I haven't yet decided that I need aids. When I do, I'll go to Costco. > > In the short term, I've used this product from a first rate company in Chicago whose engineers were active in our AES section. They are a good solution for moderate, age-related loss of high frequency hearing, and at moderate cost. Their response is tailored for that, and there are two gain settings -- about 15 dB and about 25 dB. I use them on the lower setting when I'm going to be in an acoustic setting listening to a speaker that I'm interested in, and where the PA is not great. They are NOT a good solution for the tinnitus issues of original poster in this thread. > > https://www.etymotic.com/consumer/personal-sound-amplifiers/bean-qsa.html > > For those with modest hearing loss, RXEQ can be adjusted with lots of cut in the lower octave bands and boost in the higher octave bands. Whether this is enough will depend on our own hearing loss. My friend K6DGW, who has a lot of hearing loss, says it helps him. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From ke8g.jim at gmail.com Thu Mar 28 10:07:58 2019 From: ke8g.jim at gmail.com (KE8G) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 10:07:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Tinnitus and the K3 RX EQ and Related Variables In-Reply-To: References: <01d201d4e4f1$0ee13b00$2ca3b100$@gmail.com> <908b6504-1588-ae9c-fc04-ac06fa0f77a8@embarqmail.com> <9A4EDF72-ACD4-4B43-A68B-C433F3212CF2@yahoo.com> <37b3f343-1db8-926a-4386-346b7f2c6e02@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Yep, Costco for hearing aids is the best. My wife has had them for years, and we are going there today for "tune up". Always great service, and with our back and forth to Texas, we always have a Costco for follow up, if needed. 73 de Jim - KE8G On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 9:18 AM Randy Moore wrote: > Just want to echo the comments on hearing aids from Costco. I?ve had > excellent service, excellent hearing aids, and very good pricing from our > local Costco. > > 73, > Randy, KS4L > > > On Mar 28, 2019, at 4:17 AM, Jim Brown > wrote: > > > >> On 3/28/2019 1:37 AM, David Wilcox via Elecraft wrote: > >> Locally our Sams Club has decent prices and now Costco is in town too. > > > > I investigated this when my XYL wanted (and needed) aids. Costco has a > great reputation for first class aids at half the cost of the same stuff > from private audiologists. I went with her for her exams and fittings, and > also had my own hearing checked. I'm a retired audio professional, Fellow > of the Audio Engineering Society and emeritus member of the Acoustical > Society of America, so I have strong background in these issues. I was VERY > impressed with everything they did for her and for me, and a year later, > she's still a very happy camper. > > > > At 77 years old, I've got significant high frequency hearing loss, but > my needs are different from hers, and I haven't yet decided that I need > aids. When I do, I'll go to Costco. > > > > In the short term, I've used this product from a first rate company in > Chicago whose engineers were active in our AES section. They are a good > solution for moderate, age-related loss of high frequency hearing, and at > moderate cost. Their response is tailored for that, and there are two gain > settings -- about 15 dB and about 25 dB. I use them on the lower setting > when I'm going to be in an acoustic setting listening to a speaker that I'm > interested in, and where the PA is not great. They are NOT a good solution > for the tinnitus issues of original poster in this thread. > > > > > https://www.etymotic.com/consumer/personal-sound-amplifiers/bean-qsa.html > > > > For those with modest hearing loss, RXEQ can be adjusted with lots of > cut in the lower octave bands and boost in the higher octave bands. Whether > this is enough will depend on our own hearing loss. My friend K6DGW, who > has a lot of hearing loss, says it helps him. > > > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From softblue at windstream.net Thu Mar 28 11:03:31 2019 From: softblue at windstream.net (Dick Dickinson) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 11:03:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Tinnitus and the K3 RX EQ and Related Variables Message-ID: <000f01d4e577$68dd75c0$3a986140$@windstream.net> Age 70. I have a different hearing related problem as well as tinnitus. Background noise on my rig above about 2.4kHz seems awfully hissy to me. Above that point I have to start using the filters in my head to try and shut the hissing out. The mental filtering takes some effort and can lead to fatigue. I'm not sure how this came to be for me, but perhaps it is what became to seem natural for me after listening to HF SSB through a pair of cascaded 2.4kHz filters (Icom IC-751A) for 16 years. And even with that, I'd tend to crank the passband tuning towards the lower end. In my setup, I run my K3 through an LP-Pan, NaP3 software and onboard 192kHz sound card. In NaP3/K3 I rarely run the filters above 2.4kHz top / 0kHz at the bottom. As well, I use NaP3's equalizer dropping several dB above 4kHz. The rest of the audio system is a 5.1 surround sound receiver with decent bookshelf speakers + subwoofer. I can tolerate wide band audio above 2.4kHz as long as it is well above the noise level, but generally don't find the audio above that range as particularly useful. Costco - A good ham friend of mine, somewhat older than myself used to swear by the Costco hearing aids. He was a PhD EE and had a pretty good appreciation for audio. I'm not sure if Costco offers different brands, but if there is a make that most agree on, can someone mention that here? Dick - KA5KKT From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Mar 28 11:17:43 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 11:17:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility In-Reply-To: <974CAD71-2FEF-44EE-8210-A890481B43A1@me.com> References: <71B08C86-461D-4203-AC3A-3608AA392D06@gmail.com> <974CAD71-2FEF-44EE-8210-A890481B43A1@me.com> Message-ID: <7f2021c1-0a63-2d41-6ed4-52a47221dec6@embarqmail.com> My understanding is that a 64 bit version of the Mac and Linux Utilities is "in the making". But for now, you will have to put up with the messages from Apple that the current Utility will not work on the next OS release. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/27/2019 7:15 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote: > Guys; > > Realize that Mac versions of the utilities are important to us ?insiders? also. This is something that will be addressed in due time. > > 73! > Jack, W6FB > >> On Mar 27, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Grant Youngman wrote: >> >> It?s kind of the way things go. I?d like to be able to run some 8-bit Z-80 apps I wrote in the 1970?s (in FORTH) without pulling my old Digital Group system out of the attic, but I can?t. From wrmoore47 at gmail.com Thu Mar 28 11:22:23 2019 From: wrmoore47 at gmail.com (Randy Moore) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 10:22:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Tinnitus and the K3 RX EQ and Related Variables In-Reply-To: <000f01d4e577$68dd75c0$3a986140$@windstream.net> References: <000f01d4e577$68dd75c0$3a986140$@windstream.net> Message-ID: Costco does have different brands, but I've gone with their in-house Kirkland brand. These are rebranded versions of another manufacturer, and that has changed from time to time. One can discover the actual maker with Google, or just ask the Costco hearing aid people. 73, Randy, KS4L On Thu, Mar 28, 2019, 10:03 AM Dick Dickinson wrote: > Age 70. I have a different hearing related problem as well as tinnitus. > Background noise on my rig above about 2.4kHz seems awfully hissy to me. > Above that point I have to start using the filters in my head to try and > shut the hissing out. The mental filtering takes some effort and can lead > to fatigue. > > I'm not sure how this came to be for me, but perhaps it is what became to > seem natural for me after listening to HF SSB through a pair of cascaded > 2.4kHz filters (Icom IC-751A) for 16 years. And even with that, I'd tend > to > crank the passband tuning towards the lower end. > > In my setup, I run my K3 through an LP-Pan, NaP3 software and onboard > 192kHz > sound card. In NaP3/K3 I rarely run the filters above 2.4kHz top / 0kHz at > the bottom. As well, I use NaP3's equalizer dropping several dB above > 4kHz. > The rest of the audio system is a 5.1 surround sound receiver with decent > bookshelf speakers + subwoofer. I can tolerate wide band audio above > 2.4kHz > as long as it is well above the noise level, but generally don't find the > audio above that range as particularly useful. > > > Costco - A good ham friend of mine, somewhat older than myself used to > swear > by the Costco hearing aids. He was a PhD EE and had a pretty good > appreciation for audio. I'm not sure if Costco offers different brands, > but > if there is a make that most agree on, can someone mention that here? > > > Dick - KA5KKT > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From mspmail2 at gmail.com Thu Mar 28 11:38:36 2019 From: mspmail2 at gmail.com (Mike Parkes) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:38:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 on 2 meters Message-ID: I have started running wspr mode on 2 meters using the KX3/PX3. I have not even tried using the PX3 on 2 meters til today as I am always on HF. I notice that I see nothing at all on the PX3 on 2 meters? It can't be the squelch because I am showing a signal coming off the speaker connection going to the PC sound card, and the KX3 shows about an S2 noise level on 2 meters. thanks for any thoughts! 73's Mike AB7RU From mspmail2 at gmail.com Thu Mar 28 11:48:13 2019 From: mspmail2 at gmail.com (Mike Parkes) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:48:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 on 2 meters Message-ID: Okay well I tried transmitting at 144.49 from my HT and yep! Sure enough a big orange signal on the PX3 so it seems to be working fine, I guess the 2 meter background noise is so much less than on HF apparently. It is certainly totally blank on the PX3 though without an actual signal. Mike AB7RU From rcrgs at verizon.net Thu Mar 28 12:35:28 2019 From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 16:35:28 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Tinnitus and the K3 RX EQ and Related Variables In-Reply-To: <000f01d4e577$68dd75c0$3a986140$@windstream.net> References: <000f01d4e577$68dd75c0$3a986140$@windstream.net> Message-ID: Dick... I've used ReSound for about 10+ years. I'm on my third pair - the latest being brand new - and I've been very satisfied with their performance. The newest pair has blue tooth connectivity to just about everything as well as all the latest bells and whistles. There is an APP available that enables more control, almost to the extent that one gets at the audiologist. My hearing is the typical, old age [79y/o], significant loss of higher frequencies and moderate loss across the lower audio spectrum. I do not have tinnitus. I operate almost exclusively CW, and if I'm going to be on the air for a while I take the hearing aids off. Natural frequency tailoring! SSB presents its own challenge to the hearing impaired; I'm sure you'll get good advice from others on the reflector that operate that mode. ...robert On 3/28/2019 15:03, Dick Dickinson wrote: > Age 70. I have a different hearing related problem as well as tinnitus. > Background noise on my rig above about 2.4kHz seems awfully hissy to me. > Above that point I have to start using the filters in my head to try and > shut the hissing out. The mental filtering takes some effort and can lead > to fatigue. > > I'm not sure how this came to be for me, but perhaps it is what became to > seem natural for me after listening to HF SSB through a pair of cascaded > 2.4kHz filters (Icom IC-751A) for 16 years. And even with that, I'd tend to > crank the passband tuning towards the lower end. > > In my setup, I run my K3 through an LP-Pan, NaP3 software and onboard 192kHz > sound card. In NaP3/K3 I rarely run the filters above 2.4kHz top / 0kHz at > the bottom. As well, I use NaP3's equalizer dropping several dB above 4kHz. > The rest of the audio system is a 5.1 surround sound receiver with decent > bookshelf speakers + subwoofer. I can tolerate wide band audio above 2.4kHz > as long as it is well above the noise level, but generally don't find the > audio above that range as particularly useful. > > > Costco - A good ham friend of mine, somewhat older than myself used to swear > by the Costco hearing aids. He was a PhD EE and had a pretty good > appreciation for audio. I'm not sure if Costco offers different brands, but > if there is a make that most agree on, can someone mention that here? > > > Dick - KA5KKT > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY rcrgs at verizon.net.usa Syracuse, New York, USA From rv6amark at yahoo.com Thu Mar 28 13:56:55 2019 From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (Mark Petiford) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 17:56:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Tinnitus and the K3 RX EQ and Related Variables In-Reply-To: References: <01d201d4e4f1$0ee13b00$2ca3b100$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2114100794.12721137.1553795815830@mail.yahoo.com> Re. Gwen, NG3P comment:? I should probably see an audiologist someday. I've had nasty tinnitus as long as I can remember. Yes, you should...no, you MUST!? It is amazing how much hearing deficiencies affect us and we don't even know it.? I am not a doctor or audiologist, but I suspect that if you have tinnitus, you probably have some hearing loss. There are lots of good instruments (hearing aids) on the market today spread over a wide price range.? I have tried many of them (including Kirkland brand from Costco), and they all differ somewhat, but have one thing in common.? They are only as good as the audiologist who adjusts them (in my case the Costco audiologist was not very good), and your willingness to allow your brain to accept them (your brain must learn to use them).? If either of these are factors are not there, you are wasting your money, and you will continue to suffer.? You may not realize you are suffering, but everyone around you will. Do not expect immediate results.? You may hate them initially.? You can hear yourself talk...and breathe!? Wear them anyway, all day long when possible.? Do not expect things to be perfect after one visit to the audiologist.? Do not expect the tinnitus to go away immediately, or stay away!? It all takes time.? You must learn.? The brain responds to suggestions, so with my instruments in and operating, I am experiencing ringing simply because I am reading and writing on this thread.? I do know that it will go away once my mind is distracted to a different topic.? Before hearing aids, there was no relief.? The ringing was with me most all the time, and it was driving me crazy! Sorry, I probably pulled this a bit more off-topic, but I feel that it is important for us to fix our own hearing problem rather than expecting Elecraft to compensate for all of it.? I know that I had started to shut the world around me completely out because I couldn't hear things clearly.? I demonstrate that to myself when I forget to put my instruments in when I wake up in the mornings. Mark KE6BB On Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 6:31:13 PM PDT, Gwen Patton wrote: I should probably see an audiologist someday. I've had nasty tinnitus as long as I can remember. I spent most of my youth around loud musical instruments, having begun playing brass instruments in 3rd grade. I've been in many loud environments since, even though I don't recall it being a lot of times until around 2001, when I got into shooting. But I always used really good hearing protection. | | | | | | | | | | | QSL.net - Donate Site | | | From birdsonawire at gmail.com Thu Mar 28 15:34:51 2019 From: birdsonawire at gmail.com (kd1ct) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 12:34:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] AX1 may add 40 meter coverage with "AXE1" extender In-Reply-To: <50656909-6B14-439C-8EDE-5C85D28FB541@elecraft.com> References: <50656909-6B14-439C-8EDE-5C85D28FB541@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1553801691938-0.post@n2.nabble.com> I would be interested in the extender piece for the AX1 for 40 meters. Very useful for SOTA work. Thanks, Bob (KD1CT) -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From elanzl at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 28 16:29:59 2019 From: elanzl at sbcglobal.net (Eric Lanzl) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 20:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net 3-24-2019 References: <1513502305.13218838.1553804999203.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1513502305.13218838.1553804999203@mail.yahoo.com> Here is the log from the SSB net last Sunday. Elecraft SSB Net 3-24-2019 WB9JNZ ????????Eric?????IL????? ?K3????????? ? ? 4017?? ?Net Control NC0JW?????????? Jim????? CO????? KX3???? ??? ?? 1356???Relay station N7BDL????????? ? Terry?? AZ?????? K3S????? ? ? 10873 WA5DSS???????? Bill?????? TX?????? KX3???? ??? ? 3476 W7QHD????????? Kurt ??? AZ?????? K2/100 ?? ??? 1538 K6FW????????????? Frank?? CA?????? K3S????? ? 11672 KS6F?? ??????????? Guy???? CA?????? K3S???? ?? 10650 N6JW/M????????? John??? CA?????? KX3???? ???? ?? 515?? bicycle mobile W1NGA????????? AL??????? CO????? K3??????? ? ?? 5765 N4NRW????????? Roger? SC?????? K3??????? ????? 1318?Relay station W4DML?????????? Doug?? TN?????? K3??????? ????? 6433 NS7P????????????? Phil????? OR????? K3??????? ??? 1826??????????? KG5WEO??????? Tom???? TX?????? KX3???????? 10175 N0MPM????????? Mile???? IA???????? K3S???? ? ? 10514 W2RWA????????? Dick???? NY?????? K3??????? ???? 2603 A36JV???????????? Bill?????? CA?????? K2/100 ? ? ? 6299 N9SRA??????????? Steve?? IL???????? IC 7600 From Gary at ka1j.com Thu Mar 28 16:53:54 2019 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 16:53:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Tinnitus and the K3 RX EQ and Related Variables In-Reply-To: <92e7e8f2-1405-3b53-76d3-88f2ee46214c@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: , , <92e7e8f2-1405-3b53-76d3-88f2ee46214c@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <5C9D3462.10413.3F12232@Gary.ka1j.com> Costco. I bought their new Phonak at a true savings. Their Kirkland brand are fantastic too. Free replacement if lost for the first 2 years... 73, Gary KA1J > On 3/27/2019 6:28 PM, Gwen Patton wrote: > > Maybe an audiologist can help me with it, and I'm glad > > someone popped up with the idea, because it had never occurred to me > > that there WERE audiologists (of course there are, why wouldn't > > there be?) until I read this post. > > Yes, you should. But watch your wallet when he/she tries to sell you > the hearing aids that pay her/him a BIG commission. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Mar 28 17:02:24 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 16:02:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 3Y0I Bouvet Island DXpedition "Postponed, Not Canceled" In-Reply-To: <1513502305.13218838.1553804999203@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1513502305.13218838.1553804999203.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1513502305.13218838.1553804999203@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <26052156-6fea-a7a4-4946-7ad14669a708@blomand.net> Well shucks! 73 Bob, K4TAX *********************************************** 3Y0I Bouvet Island DXpedition "Postponed, Not Canceled" The 3Y0I DXpedition to Bouvet Island (Bouvet?ya) is off, at least for now. The skipper of the MV /Atlantic Tuna/ determined it was not safe to continue its voyage to the remote Antarctic island after the vessel suffered some damage from severe storm conditions. The DXpedition had expected to arrive on the island on March 26 and be on the air by month's end. "The captain of the MV /Atlantic Tuna/ had to [m]ake a difficult but responsible decision to take a course back to Cape Town, South Africa," a March 27 news release said . "But the 3Y0I Expedition is /not/ cancelled -- we don't give up that easily." The DXpedition's press officer, Stan Strzyzewski, SP8S, said he'd had a "long conversation" with DXpedition leader Dom Grzyb, 3Z9DX, who reported that the seas had calmed enough to permit crew members to inspect damage caused by a "severe cyclonic storm" on March 26 when the vessel was some 70 nautical miles off Bouvet Island. The ship was hit by waves of more than 36 feet and winds exceeding 100 MPH. "The fierce oceanic forces swept past the upper deck, taking one of the radars, including VSAT, VHF, and HF marine antennas, off the mast and throwing them all overboard," Strzyzewski recounted. He stressed that all members of the DXpedition team are "fine, feeling OK, and safe." "With lack of the most important navigational tools, the captain declared it's not safe to navigate and they need to go back to Cape Town to secure all participants on board, their equipment, and the vessel's gear," Strzyzewski continued. "In addition, all forecasts for coming hours are not positive." Once back in Cape Town, the team will reassess its plans and decide whether to attempt a return voyage to Bouvet in April or to postpone the DXpedition for next season. In February 2018, unfavorable weather and a mechanical failure on the transport vessel caused the cancellation of the 3Y0Z Bouvet Island DXpedition, after the team had arrived just offshore. From n1rj at roadrunner.com Thu Mar 28 17:24:38 2019 From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 17:24:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New KPA1500 manual Message-ID: <5C9D3B96.7030700@roadrunner.com> When I was in the military, and a pub was changed, they just sent new pages that had the changes. That way they didn't have to re- publish the whole thing. Could Elecraft tell us which pages had been changed so we can print them out without doing the whole manual? 73, Roger From ko5v at earthlink.net Thu Mar 28 17:29:44 2019 From: ko5v at earthlink.net (Jim KO5V) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 15:29:44 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [Elecraft] K2: FS, unbuilt Softrock Lite II w/KIF XTAL, KBT2 Parts Message-ID: <814236685.10187.1553808585046@wamui-napoleon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I have a few extra parts for my K2 that I won't use: 1. Unbuilt Softrock LiteII Receiver kit with the XTAL for the K2's IF. I was going to use this receiver for a panadapter, but I used the Clifton Labs' buffer amp instead. $15.00 mailed in the USA; 2. KBT2 Internal battery parts MINUS the battery. The harness is built, and the manual, switch, and all of the necessary connectors and hardware, including the battery bracket, are included. $25.00, shipped, USA. Payment by PayPal. Please contact me offline at ko5v at arrl.net Thanks for the bandwidth! 73, Jim KO5V Edgewood, NM From ko5v at earthlink.net Thu Mar 28 17:54:58 2019 From: ko5v at earthlink.net (Jim KO5V) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 15:54:58 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: K2: FS, unbuilt Softrock Lite II w/KIF XTAL, KBT2 Parts Message-ID: <1731197417.10924.1553810098474@wamui-napoleon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I re-read the previous email after I sent it. I meant to say that I will use my RSP1 as the receiver for the Panadapter, rather than the Softrock. 73, Jim KO5V -----Forwarded Message----- >From: Jim KO5V >Sent: Mar 28, 2019 3:29 PM >To: Elecraft List >Subject: K2: FS, unbuilt Softrock Lite II w/KIF XTAL, KBT2 Parts > >I have a few extra parts for my K2 that I won't use: > >1. Unbuilt Softrock LiteII Receiver kit with the XTAL for the K2's IF. I was going to use this receiver for a panadapter, but I used the Clifton Labs' buffer amp instead. $15.00 mailed in the USA; > >2. KBT2 Internal battery parts MINUS the battery. The harness is built, and the manual, switch, and all of the necessary connectors and hardware, including the battery bracket, are included. $25.00, shipped, USA. > >Payment by PayPal. Please contact me offline at ko5v at arrl.net > >Thanks for the bandwidth! 73, > >Jim KO5V >Edgewood, NM > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Mar 28 18:12:55 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 17:12:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New KPA1500 manual In-Reply-To: <5C9D3B96.7030700@roadrunner.com> References: <5C9D3B96.7030700@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <2DDA30DF-7606-4AC5-B8D3-09AA9958DA32@blomand.net> Yep and my JEP charts were updated weekly. " Remove xx, insert yy." Addendum is the easiest way. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2019, at 4:24 PM, Roger D Johnson wrote: > > When I was in the military, and a pub was changed, they just sent > new pages that had the changes. That way they didn't have to re- > publish the whole thing. > > Could Elecraft tell us which pages had been changed so we can print > them out without doing the whole manual? > > 73, Roger > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From rcrgs at verizon.net Thu Mar 28 18:26:11 2019 From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 22:26:11 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Tinnitus and the K3 RX EQ and Related Variables In-Reply-To: <5C9D3462.10413.3F12232@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <92e7e8f2-1405-3b53-76d3-88f2ee46214c@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5C9D3462.10413.3F12232@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <704c939f-039a-6720-3375-c333a629191e@verizon.net> A friend who was slowly going blind commented: "Blindness cuts you off from things; deafness cuts you off from people." For most folks most of the time, deafness is gradual and therefore unnoticed - for the most part. The world slowly becomes more distant, the deafening person more isolated. Don't let this happen! Seconds and thirds to those earlier in this thread who said much the same thing(s). ...robert -- Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY rcrgs at verizon.net.usa Syracuse, New York, USA From hbjr at optilink.us Thu Mar 28 19:14:22 2019 From: hbjr at optilink.us (HB) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 19:14:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] AX1 may add 40 meter coverage with "AXE1" extender In-Reply-To: <1553801691938-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <50656909-6B14-439C-8EDE-5C85D28FB541@elecraft.com> <1553801691938-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <26C1B590-CD37-44AA-83CB-742CDF6EC6D1@optilink.us> Absolutely interested!! > On Mar 28, 2019, at 3:34 PM, kd1ct wrote: > > I would be interested in the extender piece for the AX1 for 40 meters. > Very useful for SOTA work. > Thanks, > Bob (KD1CT) > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From rcrgs at verizon.net Thu Mar 28 19:39:35 2019 From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 23:39:35 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <3ba5f213-5217-930b-2962-7012f49474e3@gmail.com> References: <2012AC7C-CB11-4079-8E5A-311B5314D671@elecraft.com> <3ba5f213-5217-930b-2962-7012f49474e3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <166283ef-8542-845f-c4b9-5bf84d4cbe3b@verizon.net> Some thoughts on the K4... Make/keep it modular. Start with a basic radio that provides an excellent electronic foundation for whatever builds on top of it. The model in this respect is the initial K3. This allows for flexibility in configuring a radio that can accommodate the different needs/desires/budgets in the ham community. It also provides for a manageable initial price with the cost of future "expansions" spread out over time. By the way, "upgrade" makes the basic radio sound as if it's a dummied down version that needs more expensive stuff to make it worth while. "Extensions" sounds like what it is without short-sheeting the basic unit. Resist the call to include every ham shack wire and gadget in the basic radio. Doing so compromises the "modular" criteria and ends up with an "all things for all people" radio that tends to satisfy hardly anyone. Not to mention cost of production and repair and the operating complexity that many hams will reject. Concerning this last point, remember all those who complain about the complexity of stacked menus. Personally, I would not include touch screens. A touch screen for radio control seem to me to be an individual interest/appreciation that does not, by its self, increase radio usability and capability. Just because a technology can be applied to a given function does not mean that doing so will enhance that function. Of course, marketing issues can influence this decision. But note that contest stations, DX-peditions, and discerning operators do not seem to be put off by the simple, almost rudimentary UI of the K3-S. I would think that capability, extendability and packaging are the major selling points, not bells, whistles and cosmetics. All that said, I'm confident that the Elecraft team will do the right thing, both for the health of the company and the enjoyment of the amateur radio community. ...robert On 3/25/2019 12:25, Gordon LaPoint wrote: > I would love an SDR (I have an ANAN-10e) with a front panel and the > software for the computer, best of both worlds. I have an Apache Labs > ANAN-7000 DLE Mk2 (without computer) on order, but would love to replace > that with the K4, that is full SDR with dual ADC's like the ANAN-7000. > > I have a K2(10Watt) and a K3 (updated, but not USB module), KPA/KAP 500 > combo and will keep all of the Elecraft equipment. > > I love the bandscope that I can click on with the mouse and tune the > radio to a signal, the K4 needs a band scope on the computer screen when > used with a computer! > > PureSignal on TX is now a must, get ahead of everyone, except the Apache > Labs radios. > > Better noise reduction, (even the ANAN-10e has better) > > CW as good as the K3, or better. > > That is a good start, lets see what others come up with. > > Gordon - N1MGO (long time K3 user) > > On 3/24/19 8:14 PM, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote: >> Inquiring minds want to know: >> What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? >> >> Eric >> elecraft.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY rcrgs at verizon.net.usa Syracuse, New York, USA From elanzl at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 28 20:35:16 2019 From: elanzl at sbcglobal.net (Eric Lanzl) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 00:35:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Question References: <1897459189.13293536.1553819716165.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1897459189.13293536.1553819716165@mail.yahoo.com> Hello members of the Elecraft forum. I was wondering if there might be an interest in requesting a DMR (digital mobile radio) talk group for Elecraft users. It might be nice to have a place to mee in a digital room. One can request a tg on the relatively new TGIF system. Anyway let me know what people think? If there is interest I will make a request for the tg.Maybe comments can be made here on the forum about the talk group. . Thanks, Eric WB(JNZ (also net control for the Elecraft sideband net) From kengkopp at gmail.com Thu Mar 28 20:42:44 2019 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 18:42:44 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Question In-Reply-To: <1897459189.13293536.1553819716165@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1897459189.13293536.1553819716165.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1897459189.13293536.1553819716165@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: No interest from me, but thanks for asking. 73 Ken - K0PP On Thu, Mar 28, 2019, 18:35 Eric Lanzl wrote: > Hello members of the Elecraft forum. > I was wondering if there might be an interest in requesting a DMR (digital > mobile radio) talk group for Elecraft users. It might be nice to have a > place to mee in a digital room. One can request a tg on the relatively new > TGIF system. Anyway let me know what people think? If there is interest I > will make a request for the tg.Maybe comments can be made here on the forum > about the talk group. . > > Thanks, > Eric WB(JNZ (also net control for the Elecraft sideband net) > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From kb1chu at aol.com Thu Mar 28 22:04:49 2019 From: kb1chu at aol.com (Steve) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 22:04:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] AX1 may add 40 meter coverage with "AXE1" extender In-Reply-To: <1553801691938-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <50656909-6B14-439C-8EDE-5C85D28FB541@elecraft.com> <1553801691938-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I really would like a quality antenna to go with my KX3. I use 20 and 40 meters as my main bands. The AXE1 antenna with a 40 meter "extender" would be on the way to me as soon as it could be made available. I'm now in a restricted area with regard to antennas and am doing a bit of portable operations. Not so bad now winter is coming to an end. Steve kb1chu On 3/28/2019 3:34 PM, kd1ct wrote: > I would be interested in the extender piece for the AX1 for 40 meters. > Very useful for SOTA work. > Thanks, > Bob (KD1CT) > > > > -- > Sent from:http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post:mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From Gary at ka1j.com Thu Mar 28 22:08:20 2019 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 22:08:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <166283ef-8542-845f-c4b9-5bf84d4cbe3b@verizon.net> References: , <3ba5f213-5217-930b-2962-7012f49474e3@gmail.com>, <166283ef-8542-845f-c4b9-5bf84d4cbe3b@verizon.net> Message-ID: <5C9D7E14.25350.510FEF1@Gary.ka1j.com> A thought on touch screens. I love them on my cell phone for the most part, very easy to use and all in the palm of my hand. Clever technology that is very freeing. As to them on the radio, I have a different take; I'm getting old and I'm finding years after some accidents, two years on crutches when young, martial arts back when it was realistic, and activity generated arthritis in my shoulder has made it more uncomfortable to keep my arm extended with my wrist in an up position. I even find myself hurting after playing guitar for a couple hours, never experienced that till as of late. I fear using a touch screen would become uncomfortable after not too much active use. Perhaps if there were a remote tablet that could be on the desk instead of the touch screen on the radio, that might be more comfortable. 73, Gary KA1J From vk6av at yahoo.com Thu Mar 28 22:24:19 2019 From: vk6av at yahoo.com (Harris Leck) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 02:24:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3+P3+ACOM2000A+PC References: <815999255.11782349.1553826259592.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <815999255.11782349.1553826259592@mail.yahoo.com> I would like to have K3 CAT controlling my ACOM2000A but I also need to connect my PC. Is this possible?Harris K9RJ From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Mar 28 22:41:21 2019 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 19:41:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] AX1 may add 40 meter coverage with "AXE1" extender In-Reply-To: References: <50656909-6B14-439C-8EDE-5C85D28FB541@elecraft.com> <1553801691938-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5AA8B7E0-8A55-433E-8260-B5B3AAA2041E@elecraft.com> Hi all, We're still exploring ways to add 40 meters to the AX1. There are various trade-offs (size, weight, efficiency, bandwidth, ease of tuning, etc.). Once we have something we know will satisfy our requirements, you'll hear about it here first. Meanwhile, I recommend a wire tossed in a tree, preferably one that follows you around as you hike :) Thanks for your ongoing interest in our antenna products, and keep those ideas coming. 73, Wayne N6KR > On Mar 28, 2019, at 7:04 PM, Steve via Elecraft wrote: > > I really would like a quality antenna to go with my KX3. I use 20 and 40 meters as my main bands. The AXE1 antenna with a 40 meter "extender" would be on the way to me as soon as it could be made available. I'm now in a restricted area with regard to antennas and am doing a bit of portable operations. Not so bad now winter is coming to an end. Steve kb1chu > > On 3/28/2019 3:34 PM, kd1ct wrote: >> I would be interested in the extender piece for the AX1 for 40 meters. >> Very useful for SOTA work. >> Thanks, >> Bob (KD1CT) >> From jpfreitag at mac.com Thu Mar 28 23:47:36 2019 From: jpfreitag at mac.com (John and Rita Freitag) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 23:47:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Question In-Reply-To: <1897459189.13293536.1553819716165@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1897459189.13293536.1553819716165.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1897459189.13293536.1553819716165@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sounds interesting here? 73 de John (+) John Freitag WW4JF jpfreitag at mac.com > On Mar 28, 2019, at 20:35, Eric Lanzl wrote: > > Hello members of the Elecraft forum. > I was wondering if there might be an interest in requesting a DMR (digital mobile radio) talk group for Elecraft users. It might be nice to have a place to mee in a digital room. One can request a tg on the relatively new TGIF system. Anyway let me know what people think? If there is interest I will make a request for the tg.Maybe comments can be made here on the forum about the talk group. . > > Thanks, > Eric WB(JNZ (also net control for the Elecraft sideband net) > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From ve3nr at bell.net Fri Mar 29 00:25:14 2019 From: ve3nr at bell.net (Bert) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 00:25:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 - Re-build filter board 40/15 to 40/20 Message-ID: <6e6e9313-4ded-fd72-7120-d3a2ffc1ca76@bell.net> I recently bought a K1 with a 40/15 filter board and want to change it to 40/20. Is there a kit available and if so what's the cost? Thanks! Bert VE3NR From billamader at gmail.com Fri Mar 29 00:40:55 2019 From: billamader at gmail.com (K8TE) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 21:40:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 210 (209) Firmware Bug? Message-ID: <1553834455671-0.post@n2.nabble.com> I brought my KPA1500 to Lubbock for the CQ WW WPX SSB Contest. Like a good Elecraft owner, I checked for firmware updates using the KPA1500 Utility, downloaded what is actually version 210, and installed it. Next, I checked the integration with the IC-7610, KPA1500, and antenna switch. Much to my chagrin, the KPA1500 did not understand CI-V frequency information above 3800 KHz and throughout the 160m band! My next thought was to panic, but good Air Force troubleshooting techniques came through. The antenna switch understood the radio, but not the amplifier. It worked in the ARRL DX SSB Contest. Loading an previous configuration did not change the symptom. I downloaded version 207 and that fixed the problem! BTW, I downloaded version 210 three times and the same symptom occurred with each. I tried all other HF bands without failure. I suggest a quick look by someone who understands (wrote) the update. As long as you stay below 3800 and don't use 160m, you won't experience this problem. Of course, the KPA1500 frequency counter took over, but that is not "smooth" at full power and I don't like red LED's shining in my face. 73, and good luck in the contest! Bill, K8TE -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From c-hawley at illinois.edu Fri Mar 29 04:59:37 2019 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 08:59:37 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 - Re-build filter board 40/15 to 40/20 In-Reply-To: <6e6e9313-4ded-fd72-7120-d3a2ffc1ca76@bell.net> References: <6e6e9313-4ded-fd72-7120-d3a2ffc1ca76@bell.net> Message-ID: >From Elecraft.comK1B20_20M Band Module 7.50 Chuck Hawley c-hawley at illinois.edu Amateur Radio, KE9UW aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles ________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of Bert Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 11:25 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] K1 - Re-build filter board 40/15 to 40/20 I recently bought a K1 with a 40/15 filter board and want to change it to 40/20. Is there a kit available and if so what's the cost? Thanks! Bert VE3NR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Fri Mar 29 06:46:54 2019 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 06:46:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 In-Reply-To: <5C9D7E14.25350.510FEF1@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <5C9D7E14.25350.510FEF1@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <70093349-439c-7d62-4331-b2f518403826@nycap.rr.com> Bingo!!!? I used a Genovation for K3 control (placing the keypad beside me at the edge of my desk). Worked great - until the keypad quit. I reverted back to using HRD. Then I got an IC-7300 with the touch screen and a stylus.? Moved the radio out on the desk so I can reach it easily (and lost desktop space). Good radio with lots of modern features and personalization choices. Then I reverted back using HRD (remember the lost desktop space?). HRD can be somewhat customized as to what controls are on screen, but it is a one size fits all system. Hence, with the limited rig related customization it offers, it is not the end all rig control system - too much attention has been paid to digital, rotors, DXing, logging, etc.? Not enough time spent on rig control. Maybe I am the only person in the world solely interested in rig control software? All that said, the idea of a full featured tablet-like remote control I can hold in my lap would just be GREAT!!! I just have to live long enough to see this happen. Life is good at my shack - the snow is going away! From ko5v at earthlink.net Fri Mar 29 10:34:01 2019 From: ko5v at earthlink.net (Jim KO5V) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 08:34:01 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: K2: FS, unbuilt Softrock Lite II w/KIF XTAL, KBT2 Parts Message-ID: <1695469658.4024.1553870042087@wamui-boogie.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Both items have been sold. Thanks again! 73, Jim KO5V -----Forwarded Message----- >From: Jim KO5V >Sent: Mar 28, 2019 3:54 PM >To: Elecraft List >Subject: Fw: K2: FS, unbuilt Softrock Lite II w/KIF XTAL, KBT2 Parts > >I re-read the previous email after I sent it. I meant to say that I will use my RSP1 as the receiver for the Panadapter, rather than the Softrock. > >73, > >Jim KO5V > >-----Forwarded Message----- >>From: Jim KO5V >>Sent: Mar 28, 2019 3:29 PM >>To: Elecraft List >>Subject: K2: FS, unbuilt Softrock Lite II w/KIF XTAL, KBT2 Parts >> >>I have a few extra parts for my K2 that I won't use: >> >>1. Unbuilt Softrock LiteII Receiver kit with the XTAL for the K2's IF. I was going to use this receiver for a panadapter, but I used the Clifton Labs' buffer amp instead. $15.00 mailed in the USA; >> >>2. KBT2 Internal battery parts MINUS the battery. The harness is built, and the manual, switch, and all of the necessary connectors and hardware, including the battery bracket, are included. $25.00, shipped, USA. >> >>Payment by PayPal. Please contact me offline at ko5v at arrl.net >> >>Thanks for the bandwidth! 73, >> >>Jim KO5V >>Edgewood, NM >> From kd4iz at frawg.org Fri Mar 29 11:29:01 2019 From: kd4iz at frawg.org (kd4iz at frawg.org) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 11:29:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Question In-Reply-To: <1897459189.13293536.1553819716165@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1897459189.13293536.1553819716165.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1897459189.13293536.1553819716165@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02f601d4e644$2444cbc0$6cce6340$@frawg.org> Eric, If you see some momentum for this, don't exclude the "other modes"... The rate of growth in DMR has been matched by the new activity on the other DV modes, so it might be better to go for an open solution. My suggestion is that you reach out to Jeff VE6DV and the folks at https://www.openquad.net/ who are very welcoming, and net friendly. They can provide you with a net time slot that is "multi-mode", ie. reflector, room, and TG, supporting the 3 major DV modes plus EchoLink, etc. Investigate at D-Star XRF757A, DMR BM TG 31012, and YSF US QuadNet Array, number 37099, Echolink WWARG Conference. Best and good luck. KD4IZ Jack Spitznagel FM19oo -----Original Message----- From: Eric Lanzl Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 20:35 To: Elecraft List Subject: [Elecraft] Question Hello members of the Elecraft forum. I was wondering if there might be an interest in requesting a DMR (digital mobile radio) talk group for Elecraft users. It might be nice to have a place to mee in a digital room. One can request a tg on the relatively new TGIF system. Anyway let me know what people think? If there is interest I will make a request for the tg.Maybe comments can be made here on the forum about the talk group. . Thanks, Eric WB(JNZ (also net control for the Elecraft sideband net) From n7wy at rocketmail.com Fri Mar 29 11:32:11 2019 From: n7wy at rocketmail.com (n7wy) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 10:32:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] new KPA1500 Manual Message-ID: I have manuals for my radio gear in searchable form downloaded to my Samsung tablet.? New, complete manuals are better for me than changes which I have no way to insert.Bob R n7wySent from my Galaxy Tab? A From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Mar 29 12:07:47 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 12:07:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] new KPA1500 Manual In-Reply-To: <20190329153223.3E4F0149B25E@mailman.qth.net> References: <20190329153223.3E4F0149B25E@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: The errata pages are also essential. The manuals are not updated with every change. More applicable to the radios than to amplifiers is the Firmware Release Notes which can be considered as additional information about the operation of the radio. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/29/2019 11:32 AM, n7wy via Elecraft wrote: > I have manuals for my radio gear in searchable form downloaded to my Samsung tablet.? New, complete manuals are better for me than changes which I have no way to insert.Bob R n7wySent from my Galaxy Tab? A From pincon at erols.com Thu Mar 28 07:51:39 2019 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 07:51:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Tinnitus and the K3 RX EQ and Related Variables In-Reply-To: <37b3f343-1db8-926a-4386-346b7f2c6e02@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <01d201d4e4f1$0ee13b00$2ca3b100$@gmail.com> <908b6504-1588-ae9c-fc04-ac06fa0f77a8@embarqmail.com> <9A4EDF72-ACD4-4B43-A68B-C433F3212CF2@yahoo.com> <37b3f343-1db8-926a-4386-346b7f2c6e02@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <000601d4e55c$9dd682a0$d98387e0$@erols.com> I'll second the Costco recommendation. That said, their resident audiologist told me flat out, even the best will not make your ears suddenly 16 years old again. They can do wonders, but don't expect them to be perfect. He has tweaked mine a couple times over the years for minor improvements and I have to choose their program (blue-tooth link to phone) depending on my environment, home, in a crowd, listening to music, etc. I will say that they make a yuge difference and offer some advice to you "younger" guys....take care of your ears. If you're running a chain saw or a lawn mower (or playing lead guitar in a metal band), WEAR EAR PROTECTION. For years, I didn't and I am now paying the price. (Well, maybe not the metal band part...but as they used to say, "If the music's too loud, you're too old", which is NOT the best advice for your ears.) 73, Charlie k3ICH From elanzl at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 29 13:22:43 2019 From: elanzl at sbcglobal.net (Eric Lanzl) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 17:22:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] This Sunday's SSB Net 3-31-2019 References: <1540590141.13671560.1553880163401.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1540590141.13671560.1553880163401@mail.yahoo.com> Hello SSB net participants, I have made the decision that due to the CQ WPX phone contest that it will be very difficult to conduct the net with the contest going on. Ww will meet at 18Z on 14.303.5 on Sunday, April 7th. Everyone is welcome to join the net. We ask for your call sign, name,? location, the rig you are using,? and if it is an Elecraft radio the serial number. Best wishes for a good week and if you are in the contest good luck. Eric WB9JNZ From no9e at arrl.net Fri Mar 29 13:47:15 2019 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 10:47:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Tinnitus and the K3 RX EQ and Related Variables In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1553881635588-0.post@n2.nabble.com> I used to have a dual channel 15-band equalizer. It could quickly compensate for deficiencies in my ear and signals. Compared to software equalizers, you can manipulate them rapidly for max readability. Many times a difficult copy became an easy copy. However, the equalizer was susceptible to RFI, had some background noise and it took lots of space. Now I use RX EQ in K3. Good but not as good as the manual equalizer. Ignacy, NO9E -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From potrzebie49 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 29 14:32:01 2019 From: potrzebie49 at yahoo.com (John Svihra) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 18:32:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] AX1 may add 40 meter coverage with "AXE1" extender In-Reply-To: <5AA8B7E0-8A55-433E-8260-B5B3AAA2041E@elecraft.com> References: <50656909-6B14-439C-8EDE-5C85D28FB541@elecraft.com> <1553801691938-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <5AA8B7E0-8A55-433E-8260-B5B3AAA2041E@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <528725699.13698561.1553884321262@mail.yahoo.com> How about another AX for 15, 10, 6 meters? 73,JohnNL7VE Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 6:42 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: Hi all, We're still exploring ways to add 40 meters to the AX1. There are various trade-offs (size, weight, efficiency, bandwidth, ease of tuning, etc.). Once we have something we know will satisfy our requirements, you'll hear about it here first. Meanwhile, I recommend a wire tossed in a tree, preferably one that follows you around as you hike :) Thanks for your ongoing interest in our antenna products, and keep those ideas coming. 73, Wayne N6KR > On Mar 28, 2019, at 7:04 PM, Steve via Elecraft wrote: > > I really would like a quality antenna to go with my KX3. I use 20 and 40 meters as my main bands. The AXE1 antenna with a 40 meter "extender" would be on the way to me as soon as it could be made available. I'm now in a restricted area with regard to antennas and am doing a bit of portable operations. Not so bad now winter is coming to an end. Steve kb1chu > > On 3/28/2019 3:34 PM, kd1ct wrote: >> I would be interested in the extender piece for the AX1 for 40 meters. >> Very useful for SOTA work. >> Thanks, >> Bob (KD1CT) >> ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From eric at elecraft.com Fri Mar 29 14:46:23 2019 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 11:46:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Tinnitus and the K3 RX EQ and Related Variables In-Reply-To: References: <01d201d4e4f1$0ee13b00$2ca3b100$@gmail.com> <908b6504-1588-ae9c-fc04-ac06fa0f77a8@embarqmail.com> <9A4EDF72-ACD4-4B43-A68B-C433F3212CF2@yahoo.com> <37b3f343-1db8-926a-4386-346b7f2c6e02@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Folks - Let's close this thread now as it has drifted more OT and is also exceeding the 'soft' 10 post OT posting limit limit. Eric Mooderator /elecraft.com/ On 3/28/2019 7:07 AM, KE8G wrote: > Yep, Costco for hearing aids is the best. My wife has had them for years, > and we are going there today for "tune up". Always great service, and with > our back and forth to Texas, we always have a Costco for follow up, if > needed. > > 73 de Jim - KE8G > From ve5ra at sasktel.net Fri Mar 29 15:08:46 2019 From: ve5ra at sasktel.net (Doug Renwick) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 13:08:46 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Tinnitus and the K3 RX EQ and Related Variables In-Reply-To: <1553881635588-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1553881635588-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <7C4FA0A11D1F4C59802BE7C8BB554F7C@DOUG8PC> I have just ordered a pair of Kirkland hearing aids from Costco and I have two questions: 1. Are these behind the ear aids susceptible to high levels of RFI? 2. Kirkland/Costco offer two different sizes of behind the ear, a smaller one using type 312 batteries with a life of 4-5 days or a slightly larger one using a type13 battery with a life around 10 days. Both batteries are really cheap at $11.99 for 48. What has been people's experience? Doug "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." Albert Einstein --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From w6sx at arrl.net Fri Mar 29 15:34:11 2019 From: w6sx at arrl.net (Hank Garretson) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 19:34:11 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3+P3+ACOM2000A+PC In-Reply-To: <815999255.11782349.1553826259592@mail.yahoo.com> References: <815999255.11782349.1553826259592.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <815999255.11782349.1553826259592@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 7:24 PM Harris Leck via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: I would like to have K3 CAT controlling my ACOM2000A but I also need to > connect my PC. Is this possible? > It is easy if you have the new RCU. Hook things up per Figure 7-2 in 2000A manual. It is important to note that the ACOM will not follow the K3 unless the K3 is handshaking with the computer. In my station, no problem because I always have N1MM+ running. 73, Hank, W6SX From jh3sif at sumaq.jp Fri Mar 29 16:22:27 2019 From: jh3sif at sumaq.jp (Keith Onishi) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 05:22:27 +0900 Subject: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility In-Reply-To: <7f2021c1-0a63-2d41-6ed4-52a47221dec6@embarqmail.com> References: <71B08C86-461D-4203-AC3A-3608AA392D06@gmail.com> <974CAD71-2FEF-44EE-8210-A890481B43A1@me.com> <7f2021c1-0a63-2d41-6ed4-52a47221dec6@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <368AB15B-536C-4E58-90EA-F411E8620E7E@sumaq.jp> K3 Utility is 64 bit version but other Elecraft utilities are 32 bit version. So, I guess the 32 bit versions will be migrated to 64 bit version later but before the future MacOS is released. 73 de JH3SIF, Keith > 2019/03/29 0:17?Don Wilhelm ????: > > My understanding is that a 64 bit version of the Mac and Linux Utilities is "in the making". > But for now, you will have to put up with the messages from Apple that the current Utility will not work on the next OS release. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/27/2019 7:15 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote: >> Guys; >> Realize that Mac versions of the utilities are important to us ?insiders? also. This is something that will be addressed in due time. >> 73! >> Jack, W6FB >>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Grant Youngman wrote: >>> >>> It?s kind of the way things go. I?d like to be able to run some 8-bit Z-80 apps I wrote in the 1970?s (in FORTH) without pulling my old Digital Group system out of the attic, but I can?t. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From k9jri at mac.com Fri Mar 29 16:46:03 2019 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 16:46:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Question In-Reply-To: <02f601d4e644$2444cbc0$6cce6340$@frawg.org> References: <1897459189.13293536.1553819716165.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1897459189.13293536.1553819716165@mail.yahoo.com> <02f601d4e644$2444cbc0$6cce6340$@frawg.org> Message-ID: <24784550-A21A-47B0-AC57-AE162E59BFEB@mac.com> I would love to be able to check into an Elecraft net or user group via DStar. Very 73 - Mike - K9JRI > On Mar 29, 2019, at 11:29 AM, kd4iz at frawg.org wrote: > > Eric, > > If you see some momentum for this, don't exclude the "other modes"... The rate of growth in DMR has been matched by the new activity on the other DV modes, so it might be better to go for an open solution. > > My suggestion is that you reach out to Jeff VE6DV and the folks at https://www.openquad.net/ who are very welcoming, and net friendly. They can provide you with a net time slot that is "multi-mode", ie. reflector, room, and TG, supporting the 3 major DV modes plus EchoLink, etc. > > Investigate at D-Star XRF757A, DMR BM TG 31012, and YSF US QuadNet Array, number 37099, Echolink WWARG Conference. > > Best and good luck. > > KD4IZ > Jack Spitznagel > FM19oo > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Lanzl > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 20:35 > To: Elecraft List > Subject: [Elecraft] Question > > Hello members of the Elecraft forum. > I was wondering if there might be an interest in requesting a DMR (digital mobile radio) talk group for Elecraft users. It might be nice to have a place to mee in a digital room. One can request a tg on the relatively new TGIF system. Anyway let me know what people think? If there is interest I will make a request for the tg.Maybe comments can be made here on the forum about the talk group. . > > Thanks, > Eric WB(JNZ (also net control for the Elecraft sideband net) > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From mike.walkington at gmail.com Fri Mar 29 16:52:58 2019 From: mike.walkington at gmail.com (VK1OO, Mike Walkington) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 13:52:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] A New Choke Book - Some Questions In-Reply-To: <03b303dd-1ac8-1ca3-8edd-1acca5e70bec@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <03b303dd-1ac8-1ca3-8edd-1acca5e70bec@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <1553892778975-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Jim, Thanks. I don't know how I missed the section "Chokes in Series"! I really appreciate the extensive work you did to build and measure all the chokes. You are making a difference to small suburban stations like mine that live in a sea of noise. Cheers Mike, VK1OO ----- Cheers Mike VK1OO (ex AC7MZ, VK1KCK) K2: 2599 -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From brianpepperdine at sympatico.ca Fri Mar 29 16:59:35 2019 From: brianpepperdine at sympatico.ca (Brian) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 20:59:35 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] 25 amp fuse for KXPA100 power cable fast acting type OK ? Message-ID: I need to build a power cable for my new used KXPA100 since the original owner retained the power cable. I can find 25 amp auto type blade fuses locally... they are Fast Acting type. Is that OK or is that just typically what they are anyhow (as opposed I guess to Slow acting that fry the goods HI ) ? The manual does not differentiate fuse acting type... if indeed there are actually fuse types to differentiate. tnx Brien VE3VAW From nc3z at outlook.com Fri Mar 29 17:09:17 2019 From: nc3z at outlook.com (Gary NC3Z) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 21:09:17 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Nasty spurs on RX with new KPA500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just a follow up to what Elecraft found on my new KPA500 that had spurs on RX, which I sent back to them since the replacement front panel did not fix the issue. Elecraft did indeed see the problem and said it was pretty bad. They replaced the filter cap in the +5V supply that went to the LPF, and added additional filter caps to the front panel. Any remaining spurs are now below spec. I was at least happy Elecraft saw the issue, as I had several responses (direct) to my initial report on the reflector here that I did not know what I was talking about and what I described could not happen. Gary Mitchelson NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15 NC AHIMT COML SHARES NCS997 NC Deputy Auxcomm Coordinator - Statewide www.mitchelson.org On 3/9/2019 13:44, Jack Brindle wrote: > >> On Mar 9, 2019, at 9:14 AM, Gary NC3Z wrote: >> >> Connecting the RX directly to the antenna and the spurs are not there, >> the spurs are coming from the KPA500, and only when the KPA500 is >> connected to a radio (happens on all my radios connected to the KPA). >> Have tried the amp on 220 and 120, same issue. The KPA500 can be >> connected to a dummy load at the RF Out, and RF In to the RX and the >> spurs are there. With out a doubt they are being generated in the KPA500 >> when the LCD backlight is on, and these are healthy spurs. >> >> I have spent hours taking the thing apart and putting back with the same >> results. Tripled checked all assembly with no luck. But I am 100% >> positive it is directly related to the LCD backlighting. This is a very >> weird issue! >> >> Gary Mitchelson >> NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15 >> NC AHIMT COML >> SHARES NCS997 >> NC Deputy Auxcomm Coordinator - Statewide >> www.mitchelson.org >> >> From davbarbar at comcast.net Fri Mar 29 17:23:26 2019 From: davbarbar at comcast.net (BARBARA/DAVID BARON) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 15:23:26 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale Post From NF5S Message-ID: <1528FF4B-27C0-481D-AF3F-CE2DE1F85C40@comcast.net> KX3/PX3 For Sale. $2200 value for $1100. Full details at davbarbar at comcast.net . From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Fri Mar 29 17:55:26 2019 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 14:55:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Nasty spurs on RX with new KPA500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <703a3101-ec6c-8c26-ac3f-a840380e9a9f@triconet.org> Welcome to my club.? Several times I have been in the same boat.? The faithful are wont to defend Elecraft equipment no matter what.? Unfortunately, Elecraft Support has done the same and more than once I've had to record little videos to prove my observations. Wes? N7WS On 3/29/2019 2:09 PM, Gary NC3Z wrote: > ... > > I was at least happy Elecraft saw the issue, as I had several responses > (direct) to my initial report on the reflector here that I did not know > what I was talking about and what I described could not happen. > > Gary Mitchelson > NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15 > NC AHIMT COML > SHARES NCS997 > NC Deputy Auxcomm Coordinator - Statewide > www.mitchelson.org > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Mar 29 18:04:30 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 18:04:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 25 amp fuse for KXPA100 power cable fast acting type OK ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004d9452-7853-7aae-c313-f8ade369c9dc@embarqmail.com> Brien, Those auto type blade fuses are what I use. No problems so far. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/29/2019 4:59 PM, Brian wrote: > I need to build a power cable for my new used KXPA100 since the original owner retained the power cable. > I can find 25 amp auto type blade fuses locally... they are Fast Acting type. Is that OK or is that just typically what they are anyhow (as opposed I guess to Slow acting that fry the goods HI ) ? > > The manual does not differentiate fuse acting type... if indeed there are actually fuse types to differentiate. > From Andy at rickham.net Fri Mar 29 18:56:24 2019 From: Andy at rickham.net (Andy McMullin) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 22:56:24 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility In-Reply-To: <368AB15B-536C-4E58-90EA-F411E8620E7E@sumaq.jp> References: <71B08C86-461D-4203-AC3A-3608AA392D06@gmail.com> <974CAD71-2FEF-44EE-8210-A890481B43A1@me.com> <7f2021c1-0a63-2d41-6ed4-52a47221dec6@embarqmail.com> <368AB15B-536C-4E58-90EA-F411E8620E7E@sumaq.jp> Message-ID: <5AA6E1AE-E1AD-4528-BDD6-204A96BC8076@rickham.net> I?m sorry Keith but is there any evidence to support that assertion. That a 64 bit version will be available before the next MacOS revision is released? I know it?s a nice thing to think. But have the developers said that?s what?s happening? They seem to be completely missing from this thread. I?m sure there?s something in the works but I see nothing from the developers themselves to say so and the next version of MacOS seems to be only weeks away. Sent from my iPhone > On 29 Mar 2019, at 20:22, Keith Onishi wrote: > > K3 Utility is 64 bit version but other Elecraft utilities are 32 bit version. > So, I guess the 32 bit versions will be migrated to 64 bit version later but before the future MacOS is released. > > 73 de JH3SIF, Keith > >> 2019/03/29 0:17?Don Wilhelm ????: >> >> My understanding is that a 64 bit version of the Mac and Linux Utilities is "in the making". >> But for now, you will have to put up with the messages from Apple that the current Utility will not work on the next OS release. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >>> On 3/27/2019 7:15 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote: >>> Guys; >>> Realize that Mac versions of the utilities are important to us ?insiders? also. This is something that will be addressed in due time. >>> 73! >>> Jack, W6FB >>>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Grant Youngman wrote: >>>> >>>> It?s kind of the way things go. I?d like to be able to run some 8-bit Z-80 apps I wrote in the 1970?s (in FORTH) without pulling my old Digital Group system out of the attic, but I can?t. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From billclarke at nycap.rr.com Fri Mar 29 20:10:42 2019 From: billclarke at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 20:10:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Nasty spurs on RX with new KPA500 In-Reply-To: <703a3101-ec6c-8c26-ac3f-a840380e9a9f@triconet.org> References: <703a3101-ec6c-8c26-ac3f-a840380e9a9f@triconet.org> Message-ID: <0eb124fd-6f13-8827-150c-692028719821@nycap.rr.com> Welcome to the club or been there and done that!!!? There is a need for thick skin here and that is too bad. You should be able to ask questions and receive civil answers. I have never received anything other than professionalism and expertise from Elecraft, however. Bill W2BLC From k9yeq at live.com Fri Mar 29 20:22:31 2019 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 00:22:31 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Nasty spurs on RX with new KPA500 In-Reply-To: <0eb124fd-6f13-8827-150c-692028719821@nycap.rr.com> References: <703a3101-ec6c-8c26-ac3f-a840380e9a9f@triconet.org> <0eb124fd-6f13-8827-150c-692028719821@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: Spurs can emanate from devices picking up high power signals and rectifying to create harmonics. I am not an expert but suggest either a review of handbook topics, or perhaps someone will help you troubleshoot from this list. You might also do a search on line for topics. Personally , I have had a KPA500 and 1500 and don't have the issue. However, each of us has a different setup. I don't think you have to have thick skin or think you aren't in a club here. There are a few who hover over us. Be patient and get the info you need to fix the issue. Step one, do you have a dummy load? Even if it is only 100 Watt unit, reduce power from KPA500 and remove all connections except those that are needed to operate. On whatever piece of equipment you are using to detect the spurs, do you still see them? Someone will get back to you. 73, Bill K9YEQ https://wrj-tech.com/ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 7:11 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Nasty spurs on RX with new KPA500 Welcome to the club or been there and done that!!!? There is a need for thick skin here and that is too bad. You should be able to ask questions and receive civil answers. I have never received anything other than professionalism and expertise from Elecraft, however. Bill W2BLC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From ww3s at zoominternet.net Fri Mar 29 20:30:53 2019 From: ww3s at zoominternet.net (WW3S) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 20:30:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Nasty spurs on RX with new KPA500 In-Reply-To: References: <703a3101-ec6c-8c26-ac3f-a840380e9a9f@triconet.org> <0eb124fd-6f13-8827-150c-692028719821@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: He already stated, there was a problem with the amp....sent it in....elecraft fixed... Sent from my iPad > On Mar 29, 2019, at 8:22 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: > > Spurs can emanate from devices picking up high power signals and rectifying to create harmonics. I am not an expert but suggest either a review of handbook topics, or perhaps someone will help you troubleshoot from this list. You might also do a search on line for topics. Personally , I have had a KPA500 and 1500 and don't have the issue. However, each of us has a different setup. I don't think you have to have thick skin or think you aren't in a club here. There are a few who hover over us. Be patient and get the info you need to fix the issue. > > Step one, do you have a dummy load? Even if it is only 100 Watt unit, reduce power from KPA500 and remove all connections except those that are needed to operate. On whatever piece of equipment you are using to detect the spurs, do you still see them? Someone will get back to you. > > 73, > Bill > K9YEQ > > https://wrj-tech.com/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Bill > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 7:11 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Nasty spurs on RX with new KPA500 > > Welcome to the club or been there and done that!!! There is a need for thick skin here and that is too bad. You should be able to ask questions and receive civil answers. > > I have never received anything other than professionalism and expertise from Elecraft, however. > > Bill W2BLC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From rmcgraw at blomand.net Fri Mar 29 20:50:02 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 19:50:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 25 amp fuse for KXPA100 power cable fast acting type OK ? In-Reply-To: <004d9452-7853-7aae-c313-f8ade369c9dc@embarqmail.com> References: <004d9452-7853-7aae-c313-f8ade369c9dc@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <28f9a792-c6c4-3ce3-bcd7-7e8a4d0cd9b9@blomand.net> Be sure to replace the fuse with the same type.? Type as in Current rating and Time Current Characteristics.??? In other words, all 25 amp fuses are not the same. If you want to understand more about types and what they do and how they work, see this link: https://www.littelfuse.com/~/media/automotive/catalogs/littelfuse_fuseology.pdf 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/29/2019 5:04 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Brien, > > Those auto type blade fuses are what I use.? No problems so far. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/29/2019 4:59 PM, Brian wrote: >> I need to build a power cable for my new used KXPA100 since the >> original owner retained the power cable. >> I can find 25 amp auto type blade fuses locally... they are Fast >> Acting type. Is that OK or is that just typically what they are >> anyhow (as opposed I guess to Slow acting that fry the goods? HI ) ? >> >> The manual does not differentiate fuse acting type... if indeed there >> are actually fuse types to differentiate. >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From nk9g at icloud.com Sat Mar 30 01:51:14 2019 From: nk9g at icloud.com (Rick McGaver) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 22:51:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale Post From NF5S In-Reply-To: <1528FF4B-27C0-481D-AF3F-CE2DE1F85C40@comcast.net> References: <1528FF4B-27C0-481D-AF3F-CE2DE1F85C40@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7CEC93AA-6477-40A5-A549-963E5029594D@icloud.com> Scam! Sent from my iPad > On Mar 29, 2019, at 2:23 PM, BARBARA/DAVID BARON wrote: > > KX3/PX3 For Sale. $2200 value for $1100. Full details at davbarbar at comcast.net . > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From wp4cw.ted at gmail.com Sat Mar 30 11:09:35 2019 From: wp4cw.ted at gmail.com (teodoro martinez) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 08:09:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K4] request new feature Message-ID: <5c9f888c.1c69fb81.d34b4.f878@mx.google.com> How about independent volume for left and right speaker. At my age, I hear better on one ear. I?d like to increase the volume on the other channel. WP4CW Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Mar 30 13:19:15 2019 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 13:19:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K4] request new feature In-Reply-To: <5c9f888c.1c69fb81.d34b4.f878@mx.google.com> References: <5c9f888c.1c69fb81.d34b4.f878@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <48f90ec2-4431-a8ce-b6b2-4dcc796732b4@embarqmail.com> That is already available in the K3/K3S. If the subRX is installed, there is an audio pot for both (the concentric knobs). You can also set the inner knob as a BALANCE control. See CONFIG:SUB AF. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/30/2019 11:09 AM, teodoro martinez wrote: > How about independent volume for left and right speaker. At my age, I hear better on one ear. I?d like to increase the volume on the other channel. WP4CW > From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Sat Mar 30 14:24:57 2019 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 21:24:57 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] [K4] request new feature In-Reply-To: <48f90ec2-4431-a8ce-b6b2-4dcc796732b4@embarqmail.com> References: <5c9f888c.1c69fb81.d34b4.f878@mx.google.com> <48f90ec2-4431-a8ce-b6b2-4dcc796732b4@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <95bc2152-be88-08d6-ad73-860a4d359847@gmail.com> But the BALANCE control only works with subreceiver audio, either in diversity or normal mode. It does NOT work when the subreceiver is off or not installed. This would be a desirable feature for folks with better hearing in one ear than the other. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO CWops no. 5 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 30 Mar 2019 20:19, Don Wilhelm wrote: > That is already available in the K3/K3S. > If the subRX is installed, there is an audio pot for both (the > concentric knobs). > > You can also set the inner knob as a BALANCE control.? See CONFIG:SUB AF. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/30/2019 11:09 AM, teodoro martinez wrote: >> How about independent volume for left and right speaker. At my age, I >> hear better on one ear. I?d like to increase the volume on the other >> channel. WP4CW From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sat Mar 30 15:33:19 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 14:33:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K4] request new feature In-Reply-To: <95bc2152-be88-08d6-ad73-860a4d359847@gmail.com> References: <5c9f888c.1c69fb81.d34b4.f878@mx.google.com> <48f90ec2-4431-a8ce-b6b2-4dcc796732b4@embarqmail.com> <95bc2152-be88-08d6-ad73-860a4d359847@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9500adda-870b-3317-55e6-5369ab5a0878@blomand.net> With a single receiver K3S as I have, I use a pair of powered computer type speakers.? I can adjust the volume of each individual speaker and thus the AF Gain control on the radio works just great as it changes the signal to both.? And the AFX function works equally as well.? This sure makes listening for long periods of time much less stressful. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/30/2019 1:24 PM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: > But the BALANCE control only works with subreceiver audio, either in > diversity or normal mode. It does NOT work when the subreceiver is off > or not installed. This would be a desirable feature for folks with > better hearing in one ear than the other. > > 73, > Victor, 4X6GP > Rehovot, Israel > Formerly K2VCO > CWops no. 5 > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ > > On 30 Mar 2019 20:19, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> That is already available in the K3/K3S. >> If the subRX is installed, there is an audio pot for both (the >> concentric knobs). >> >> You can also set the inner knob as a BALANCE control.? See CONFIG:SUB >> AF. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 3/30/2019 11:09 AM, teodoro martinez wrote: >>> How about independent volume for left and right speaker. At my age, >>> I hear better on one ear. I?d like to increase the volume on the >>> other channel. WP4CW > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jh3sif at sumaq.jp Sat Mar 30 16:08:11 2019 From: jh3sif at sumaq.jp (Keith Onishi) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 05:08:11 +0900 Subject: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility In-Reply-To: <5AA6E1AE-E1AD-4528-BDD6-204A96BC8076@rickham.net> References: <71B08C86-461D-4203-AC3A-3608AA392D06@gmail.com> <974CAD71-2FEF-44EE-8210-A890481B43A1@me.com> <7f2021c1-0a63-2d41-6ed4-52a47221dec6@embarqmail.com> <368AB15B-536C-4E58-90EA-F411E8620E7E@sumaq.jp> <5AA6E1AE-E1AD-4528-BDD6-204A96BC8076@rickham.net> Message-ID: <51C9B0B5-F7FE-4825-AF7E-B2E98BE4CA89@sumaq.jp> No, I just ?hoped?. In general, one can wait updating an operating system until his/her essential softwares become compatible to the new version of operating system. 73 de JH3SIF, Keith > 2019/03/30 7:56?Andy McMullin ????: > > I?m sorry Keith but is there any evidence to support that assertion. That a 64 bit version will be available before the next MacOS revision is released? > > I know it?s a nice thing to think. But have the developers said that?s what?s happening? They seem to be completely missing from this thread. > > I?m sure there?s something in the works but I see nothing from the developers themselves to say so and the next version of MacOS seems to be only weeks away. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 29 Mar 2019, at 20:22, Keith Onishi wrote: >> >> K3 Utility is 64 bit version but other Elecraft utilities are 32 bit version. >> So, I guess the 32 bit versions will be migrated to 64 bit version later but before the future MacOS is released. >> >> 73 de JH3SIF, Keith >> >>> 2019/03/29 0:17?Don Wilhelm ????: >>> >>> My understanding is that a 64 bit version of the Mac and Linux Utilities is "in the making". >>> But for now, you will have to put up with the messages from Apple that the current Utility will not work on the next OS release. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> >>>> On 3/27/2019 7:15 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote: >>>> Guys; >>>> Realize that Mac versions of the utilities are important to us ?insiders? also. This is something that will be addressed in due time. >>>> 73! >>>> Jack, W6FB >>>>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Grant Youngman wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It?s kind of the way things go. I?d like to be able to run some 8-bit Z-80 apps I wrote in the 1970?s (in FORTH) without pulling my old Digital Group system out of the attic, but I can?t. >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > From brianpepperdine at sympatico.ca Sat Mar 30 16:28:10 2019 From: brianpepperdine at sympatico.ca (Brian) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 20:28:10 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 SYS fault LED indication when running NaP3 at Power On Message-ID: Here is something I experienced with my new (used) KXPA100 which might help someone in the future. On initial setup everything was fine. Later on... when turning on the KX3 I was getting a SYS fault light on the KXPA100 LED array. No band noise or signals in the KX3. Uh - oh. Long story short, I had NaP3 running on the computer for the KX3 (had been previously when powered up) and NaP3 uses Port 4... which was also the port that I think the KXPA100 wanted to see on power-on. So with NaP3 program OFF and not active I can start up the KX3 and KXPA100 OK.. and THEN start NaP3. All is fine. I had been used to leaving NaP3 running pretty much all the time when using the K3 and LP-PAN with NaP3... it did not care about the port since only NaP3 was using it. Unless maybe I happened to want to run the K3 utility program.. but that is another story I am now aware might be an issue.. only occasional. Brien VE3VAW From jackbrindle at me.com Sat Mar 30 18:19:17 2019 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 15:19:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility In-Reply-To: <5AA6E1AE-E1AD-4528-BDD6-204A96BC8076@rickham.net> References: <71B08C86-461D-4203-AC3A-3608AA392D06@gmail.com> <974CAD71-2FEF-44EE-8210-A890481B43A1@me.com> <7f2021c1-0a63-2d41-6ed4-52a47221dec6@embarqmail.com> <368AB15B-536C-4E58-90EA-F411E8620E7E@sumaq.jp> <5AA6E1AE-E1AD-4528-BDD6-204A96BC8076@rickham.net> Message-ID: <176BD789-3478-491D-96C1-6A68158E56FC@me.com> Unless you are a developer, weeks is measured in double digits. The new version of macOS will presumably be announced at Apple?s WWDC in San Jose the first week of June. It will not be out as a full release until September or October which is the real time frame of concern. Unless you value your data, do not run any of the betas unless you really need to, and then only with data you are willing to lose. As a long-time Macintosh developer I speak from extensive experience here. I am sure the Elecraft Utilities will be updated in time for this event as needed. After all, until Apple tells us what is going on, we don?t really know anything, right? By the way, there are some far more important issues that we are watching, such as the very mysterious notarization system and when it might be required. 73, Jack, W6FB > On Mar 29, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Andy McMullin via Elecraft wrote: > > I?m sorry Keith but is there any evidence to support that assertion. That a 64 bit version will be available before the next MacOS revision is released? > > I know it?s a nice thing to think. But have the developers said that?s what?s happening? They seem to be completely missing from this thread. > > I?m sure there?s something in the works but I see nothing from the developers themselves to say so and the next version of MacOS seems to be only weeks away. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 29 Mar 2019, at 20:22, Keith Onishi wrote: >> >> K3 Utility is 64 bit version but other Elecraft utilities are 32 bit version. >> So, I guess the 32 bit versions will be migrated to 64 bit version later but before the future MacOS is released. >> >> 73 de JH3SIF, Keith >> >>> 2019/03/29 0:17?Don Wilhelm ????: >>> >>> My understanding is that a 64 bit version of the Mac and Linux Utilities is "in the making". >>> But for now, you will have to put up with the messages from Apple that the current Utility will not work on the next OS release. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> >>>> On 3/27/2019 7:15 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote: >>>> Guys; >>>> Realize that Mac versions of the utilities are important to us ?insiders? also. This is something that will be addressed in due time. >>>> 73! >>>> Jack, W6FB >>>>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Grant Youngman wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It?s kind of the way things go. I?d like to be able to run some 8-bit Z-80 apps I wrote in the 1970?s (in FORTH) without pulling my old Digital Group system out of the attic, but I can?t. >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From stanzepa at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 30 18:44:58 2019 From: stanzepa at sbcglobal.net (stanzepa at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 18:44:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility In-Reply-To: <176BD789-3478-491D-96C1-6A68158E56FC@me.com> References: <71B08C86-461D-4203-AC3A-3608AA392D06@gmail.com> <974CAD71-2FEF-44EE-8210-A890481B43A1@me.com> <7f2021c1-0a63-2d41-6ed4-52a47221dec6@embarqmail.com> <368AB15B-536C-4E58-90EA-F411E8620E7E@sumaq.jp> <5AA6E1AE-E1AD-4528-BDD6-204A96BC8076@rickham.net> <176BD789-3478-491D-96C1-6A68158E56FC@me.com> Message-ID: <88aa6631-bcd5-58b7-429d-60c886e1de3b@sbcglobal.net> In addition to Elecraft's Mac software, I have expensive apps that will not work under the next Mac OS. They work for me fine now and I don't want to spend thousands of dollars to upgrade to new versions of those apps just so they will work under the next Mac OS. I don't need no stinkin' new version of Mac OS, so I will stick with the current version and have disabled the "automatically keep my Mac up to date" function so that a new OS isn't installed behind my back. Stan, WA1LOU From bbaines at mac.com Sat Mar 30 22:36:15 2019 From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 21:36:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility In-Reply-To: <5AA6E1AE-E1AD-4528-BDD6-204A96BC8076@rickham.net> References: <71B08C86-461D-4203-AC3A-3608AA392D06@gmail.com> <974CAD71-2FEF-44EE-8210-A890481B43A1@me.com> <7f2021c1-0a63-2d41-6ed4-52a47221dec6@embarqmail.com> <368AB15B-536C-4E58-90EA-F411E8620E7E@sumaq.jp> <5AA6E1AE-E1AD-4528-BDD6-204A96BC8076@rickham.net> Message-ID: <14B4E526-94F6-4668-9276-644A4D1F0C62@mac.com> Andy: > On Mar 29, 2019, at 5:56 PM, Andy McMullin via Elecraft wrote: snip... > > > > I?m sure there?s something in the works but I see nothing from the developers themselves to say so and the next version of MacOS seems to be only weeks away. Apple has a tradition of announcing the next release of Operating Systems (eg. macOS, iOS, WatchOS. tvOS, etc.) at the annual World Wide Developers Conference (WWDC) that takes place in June. This year?s event is scheduled for 3-7 Jun 19 in San Jose. Traditionally, WWDC is an opportunity for announcing upcoming product releases for both software and hardware products. Typically, software announcements made in June are not actually released until late September or early October. This has been the case for a number of years. Consequently, while Apple has already made it clear (back in 2017) to software developers that the 2019 release of macOS (v10.15) will not support 32-bit applications (in the hope that the ?heads up? will prompt them to update their software), little else has been revealed about what enhancements/improvements will be incorporated into the 2019 release of macOS. These new features/enhancements will likely be touted at the next WWDC. In any event, don?t expect ?the next version of macOS (e.g. v10.15) to be available until the Fall, though security and other incremental updates to the current version (macOS 10.14.x) will likely take place before the next major release. This week Apple released incremental updates for MacOS (v10.14.4). iOS (v12.2), watchOS (v5.2) and tvOS (v12.2). Hopefully, the next six months before actual OS Product release will give time to developers to update their software. That said, it is also true that developers may decide NOT to update their software for whatever reason (cost, changing marketplace, gone out-of-business, other priorities, etc.). iOS went through a similar OS update in 2016 when iOS v11 was released removing 32-bit app support. Apple announced in October 2014 that iOS would no longer 32-bit apps in future iOS versions. A number of iOS apps I was using were no longer usable with v11.x and the developers did not release a 64-bit version. Fortunately, I had moved my data from those apps because iOS v10.3 that came out in January 2017 had provided a ?heads up? that apps that I had would not work with the next update. That gave me time to make a less frantic transition before iOS v11.0 (64-bit apps only) was released in Fall 2017. Of course, consumers are not required to update whatever macOS is applicable to their products if favorite software will not work with the an OS update. It is also true that as products get older they may no longer be eligible for OS updates anyway. I?m running macOS v10.13.6 on my 2010 MacPro instead of macOS 10.14.x because the video card is not capable of handling ?dark mode? that is part of macOS v10.14.x and there isn?t a current generation after-market video card suitable for my MacPro that retains full Mac Video functionality. There are video cards out there that can be physically installed, but they don?t have Mac drivers native to them. Of course, Windows users are not necessarily out-of-the-woods when it comes to OS changes. With the ?end of life? for Windows 7 in January 2020, many individuals who have this OS (including yours truly) will need to decide next steps regarding their trusty PCs or virtual machines still running this software. I saw one estimate that 40% of currently active PCs are running Win7. Whereas Apple provides OS updates/upgrades for free, Microsoft is not as generous. Those that have Win 7 PCs or VMs that are capable of running Win10 will need to decide whether to invest the $139.00 to download an upgrade to Win10 or perhaps convert to Windows 8 (support lasts to 10 JAN 23). Those with PCs that are not compatible with a newer OS will have to determine whether to invest in newer hardware.. One alternative to not upgrading is to pay a monthly subscriber fee (that will increase each year; specific pricing to be announced) to continue to receive Win 7 security updates starting in Januay for up to three years . Of course, converting to Win10 also encompasses a ?learning curve? given that Microsoft decided to update the ?look and feel? (for whatever reason) such that someone familiar with Win7 has to learn how Win10 is organized/functions. I ended up putting a Win7 ?Classic Shell? on a Dell laptop running Win10 so that i didn?t have to be ?reprogrammed? in order to manage/utilize it. Given that Apple has not altered the ?essentials? of using macOS as annual upgrades are released (for free), my preference will continue to be Apple, recognizing that for certain functions, Windows OS is necessary. ?Aging Obsolescence? is a continuing challenge with electronics that continues to function but no longer meets current technical ?expectations.? FWIW, Barry Baines, WD4ASW Keller, TX > > Sent from my iPhone > From kevinr at coho.net Sat Mar 30 23:55:16 2019 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 20:55:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <2165b1e6-46c6-82ee-5b2c-26553e1634d3@coho.net> Good Evening, ?? It was nice to have a day of sun.? The forest floor is just starting to green up.? The early plants need to get as much light as they can before the alder leaf out.? The spiders were making their presence felt.? Very few bugs out but they know better than I do about hunting conditions.? No biting flies, yet. ?? There was a lot of damage from the heavy snow this year.? The alder had been stripped of small branches while the fir lost any weak limbs or tops.? The game trails seemed to be going in circles so I moved a few limbs for them.? The cedar trees were losing chips from rectangular holes.? I have been hearing the Pileated woodpecker's call but not the hammering.? Can't imagine whacking my head against a tree for a living.? But I have had jobs where I dreamed of it :) ?? The sun is blank.? SFU is at 69.? Maybe there will be less noise so weaker stations get through.? One never can tell.? When you hit a school of hungry bluegills it's amazing; until a loon pops out of the water behind you and cackles.? I did stay in the canoe but it was close. Please join us tomorrow on: 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) ?7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS _ From w4wfb at yahoo.com Sat Mar 30 23:57:29 2019 From: w4wfb at yahoo.com (Roy Morris, Jr.) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 03:57:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 v. 2.10 References: <223371920.13884011.1554004649403.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <223371920.13884011.1554004649403@mail.yahoo.com> After loading v.2.10 the LEDs seem to show the correct power level at or near the 1500 watt level.? At reduced power levels the LEDs stream faster but seem to also show the correct power level.The blue display window does not show the correct power level.? It consistently shows a very low power level.? Roy Morris? W4WFB From k6xk at ncn.net Sun Mar 31 06:15:56 2019 From: k6xk at ncn.net (Roy Koeppe) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 05:15:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 v. 2.10 In-Reply-To: <223371920.13884011.1554004649403@mail.yahoo.com> References: <223371920.13884011.1554004649403.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <223371920.13884011.1554004649403@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for that report Roy. Notice the same defect here in the digital display. I have only worked CW mode so far, and the power reading is erratic and varies with 'duty cycle' -- a string of dots causes a very low reading, while a string of dashes is more accurate and less erratic. Do hope a correction is provided for us soon. 73, Roy Koeppe K6XK -----Original Message----- From: Roy Morris, Jr. via Elecraft Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 10:57 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 v. 2.10 After loading v.2.10 the LEDs seem to show the correct power level at or near the 1500 watt level. At reduced power levels the LEDs stream faster but seem to also show the correct power level.The blue display window does not show the correct power level. It consistently shows a very low power level. Roy Morris W4WFB From k6xk at ncn.net Sun Mar 31 06:44:12 2019 From: k6xk at ncn.net (Roy Koeppe) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 05:44:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 v. 2.10 addendom In-Reply-To: References: <223371920.13884011.1554004649403.ref@mail.yahoo.com><223371920.13884011.1554004649403@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Discovered another anomaly...the digital SWR display changes from example, 1.1 to 1 with key down, to 1.0 to 1 with key up as left in its 'memory' reading after sending is stopped. The LED SWR meter does not always correspond perfectly with the digital display also now. Roy K6XK -----Original Message----- From: Roy Koeppe Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 5:15 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 v. 2.10 Thanks for that report Roy. Notice the same defect here in the digital display. I have only worked CW mode so far, and the power reading is erratic and varies with 'duty cycle' -- a string of dots causes a very low reading, while a string of dashes is more accurate and less erratic. Do hope a correction is provided for us soon. 73, Roy Koeppe K6XK -----Original Message----- From: Roy Morris, Jr. via Elecraft Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 10:57 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 v. 2.10 After loading v.2.10 the LEDs seem to show the correct power level at or near the 1500 watt level. At reduced power levels the LEDs stream faster but seem to also show the correct power level.The blue display window does not show the correct power level. It consistently shows a very low power level. Roy Morris W4WFB ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From k6xk at ncn.net Sun Mar 31 07:05:15 2019 From: k6xk at ncn.net (Roy Koeppe) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 06:05:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 v. 2.10 addendom 2 In-Reply-To: References: <223371920.13884011.1554004649403.ref@mail.yahoo.com><223371920.13884011.1554004649403@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <07260AA2E6734153BB394997634A6DA8@ROYKOEPPEHP> Seems that the ammeter current is also much more erratic reading now while sending CW. Roy -----Original Message----- From: Roy Koeppe Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 5:44 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 v. 2.10 addendom Discovered another anomaly...the digital SWR display changes from example, 1.1 to 1 with key down, to 1.0 to 1 with key up as left in its 'memory' reading after sending is stopped. The LED SWR meter does not always correspond perfectly with the digital display also now. Roy K6XK -----Original Message----- From: Roy Koeppe Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 5:15 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 v. 2.10 Thanks for that report Roy. Notice the same defect here in the digital display. I have only worked CW mode so far, and the power reading is erratic and varies with 'duty cycle' -- a string of dots causes a very low reading, while a string of dashes is more accurate and less erratic. Do hope a correction is provided for us soon. 73, Roy Koeppe K6XK -----Original Message----- From: Roy Morris, Jr. via Elecraft Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 10:57 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 v. 2.10 After loading v.2.10 the LEDs seem to show the correct power level at or near the 1500 watt level. At reduced power levels the LEDs stream faster but seem to also show the correct power level.The blue display window does not show the correct power level. It consistently shows a very low power level. Roy Morris W4WFB ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From wb4ooa at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 10:35:09 2019 From: wb4ooa at gmail.com (Ron Durie) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 10:35:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 v. 2.10 Message-ID: <001d01d4e7ce$f21a34f0$d64e9ed0$@gmail.com> I am seeing the same thing with the DIGITAL power metering. My LED bar graphs are working perfectly. It seems like the digital metering is not triggering correctly or not delaying correctly. The digital metering is acting very erratically on SSB and CW. It works perfectly on a Tune Carrier. I think this could be easily fixed in a Firm Ware update. 73's Ron Durie WB4OOA Elecraft K-Line 704-843-3681 From rthorne at rthorne.net Sun Mar 31 11:11:45 2019 From: rthorne at rthorne.net (Richard Thorne) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 10:11:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Remote Tuner? Message-ID: <19d2b1b5-4e4f-ce7d-cadd-35fec226b62c@rthorne.net> How about a remote tuner option? Maybe the KAT-500 repackaged so the tuner can be installed at the feed point.? Have voltage and control signals sent down the coax vs a separate control line? As a 2nd option a beefed up remote tuner to handle the KPA-1500? I know there's been talk of a K4 or KX4 which would be nice, but a remote tuner would probably fit a lot of need.? If I have an antenna with a an swr higher than 3:1, and a tuner is required, it's better off at the antenna than in the shack. Rich - N5ZC From k0acp at k0acp.com Sun Mar 31 11:35:27 2019 From: k0acp at k0acp.com (Art Peters) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 11:35:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Remote Tuner? In-Reply-To: <19d2b1b5-4e4f-ce7d-cadd-35fec226b62c@rthorne.net> References: <19d2b1b5-4e4f-ce7d-cadd-35fec226b62c@rthorne.net> Message-ID: <629C198C-75BA-47E2-8BDB-A6D8C769CC2A@k0acp.com> I too would be interested in a remote tuner from Elecraft that would support either at the 500 or 1500 watt level. 73, Art Peters, K0ACP k0acp at k0acp.com > On Mar 31, 2019, at 11:11 AM, Richard Thorne wrote: > > How about a remote tuner option? > > Maybe the KAT-500 repackaged so the tuner can be installed at the feed point. Have voltage and control signals sent down the coax vs a separate control line? > > As a 2nd option a beefed up remote tuner to handle the KPA-1500? > > I know there's been talk of a K4 or KX4 which would be nice, but a remote tuner would probably fit a lot of need. If I have an antenna with a an swr higher than 3:1, and a tuner is required, it's better off at the antenna than in the shack. > > Rich - N5ZC > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From macymonkeys at charter.net Sun Mar 31 11:57:52 2019 From: macymonkeys at charter.net (Macy monkeys) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 08:57:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX-1 no output Message-ID: Anyone run into all of a sudden zero output power? John K7FD From kengkopp at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 12:13:45 2019 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 10:13:45 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Remote antenna tuner Message-ID: If an antenna is showing a VSVR of 3:1, something about the situation is wrong, and most likely it's -not- the antenna. Fix the problem ? feed the antenna power where it's resonant, assuming the antenna is actually resonant on the amateur band of interest. Expecting a tuner to compensate for a problem external to an antenna is unreasonable, IMO 73! Ken - K0PP From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 12:19:31 2019 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 13:19:31 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] radio and amplifier tuner Message-ID: Hello just to know how is the correct way to use tuner, for example on an antenna that have SWR 2:1, I use the K3 internal antenna tuner to adjust it, and then I tune my amplifier (old tube amplifier) With the KPA1500, that have antenna tuner, how is the right way to use tuners on radio and amplifier May I use the K3 internal antenna tuner or not? thanks for the feedback -- 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W From helmut.berka at t-online.de Sun Mar 31 12:31:58 2019 From: helmut.berka at t-online.de (Helmut Berka) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 18:31:58 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Remote antenna tuner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8c942b99-a31d-6476-0af8-54d484376d25@t-online.de> In my case I have 2x 8.5m wire only. How to use it on 80m .. 10m ????? A tuner is required!! Here I use a modified version of a symmetrical tuner AT-502 (www.hamware.de), which works perfectly with my K3 (#1804). vy 73 de Helmut DL2MAJ Am 31/03/2019 um 18:13 schrieb Ken G Kopp: > If an antenna is showing a VSVR of 3:1, something about the situation > is wrong, and most likely it's -not- the antenna. Fix the problem ? feed > the antenna power where it's resonant, assuming the antenna is actually > resonant on the amateur band of interest. Expecting a tuner to compensate > for a problem external to an antenna is unreasonable, IMO > > 73! > > Ken - K0PP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From W2xj at w2xj.net Sun Mar 31 12:44:45 2019 From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 12:44:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Remote antenna tuner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would disagree. Most high power commercial operations use non-resonant mismatched antennas. Typically there is either a tuner at the antenna or open wire is used. Sent from my iPad > On Mar 31, 2019, at 12:13 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > > If an antenna is showing a VSVR of 3:1, something about the situation > is wrong, and most likely it's -not- the antenna. Fix the problem ? feed > the antenna power where it's resonant, assuming the antenna is actually > resonant on the amateur band of interest. Expecting a tuner to compensate > for a problem external to an antenna is unreasonable, IMO > > 73! > > Ken - K0PP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From rocketnj at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 12:52:50 2019 From: rocketnj at gmail.com (Dave) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 12:52:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] radio and amplifier tuner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56BA41B0-D21D-4CF4-ADA5-4EA7B091A423@gmail.com> Jorge, With the KPA1500 you do not use the radio internal tuner. Use the tuner built in the KPA1500. Dave wo2x Sent from my waxed string and tin cans. > On Mar 31, 2019, at 12:19 PM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: > > Hello > > just to know how is the correct way to use tuner, for example on an antenna > that have SWR 2:1, I use the K3 internal antenna tuner to adjust it, and > then I tune my amplifier (old tube amplifier) > > With the KPA1500, that have antenna tuner, how is the right way to use > tuners on radio and amplifier > > May I use the K3 internal antenna tuner or not? > > thanks for the feedback > > -- > 73, > Jorge > CX6VM/CW5W > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jas.brassell at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 13:01:53 2019 From: jas.brassell at gmail.com (James Brassell) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 13:01:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ref Lvl Problems Message-ID: When I set the noise level with Ref Lvl to the bottom of the spectrum display, It will over time continue to move downward until the noise level is off the spectrum display. If I cycle the P3, the noise level is well above the bottom of the display and the waterfall shows the noise which comes with Ref Lvl being set too high. Is this how the P3 works? I am constantly having to adjust Ref Lvl. This is true for all bands. 73's Jim Brassell K4ZMV From w4wfb at yahoo.com Sun Mar 31 14:01:47 2019 From: w4wfb at yahoo.com (Roy Morris, Jr.) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 18:01:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Firmware v. 2.10 References: <400220500.14036815.1554055307720.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <400220500.14036815.1554055307720@mail.yahoo.com> I am re-installing v. 2.09 until 2.10 is fixed.? Roy Morris? W4WFB From hbjr at optilink.us Sun Mar 31 14:23:29 2019 From: hbjr at optilink.us (hbjr at optilink.us) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 14:23:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] No SSB net today? Message-ID: <000001d4e7ee$d6e2fda0$84a8f8e0$@optilink.us> ? Hank K4HYJ From dl2mdu at darc.de Sun Mar 31 14:51:20 2019 From: dl2mdu at darc.de (Christian Friess) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 20:51:20 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Remote antenna tuner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On my holiday style operations I use a doublet with 300 Ohm twin lead cable. The end of that 300 Ohm feeder is connected to a 4:1 BALUN The BALUN is hooked direct to the K3S / K3 With the internal ATU I can use that antenna from 10 to 80 with 100 Watts For details have a look to http://www.dl2mdu.de/antenna/ 73 de Chris, DL2MDU Am 31.03.2019 um 18:44 schrieb W2xj: > I would disagree. Most high power commercial operations use non-resonant mismatched antennas. Typically there is either a tuner at the antenna or open wire is used. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Mar 31, 2019, at 12:13 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: >> >> If an antenna is showing a VSVR of 3:1, something about the situation >> is wrong, and most likely it's -not- the antenna. Fix the problem ? feed >> the antenna power where it's resonant, assuming the antenna is actually >> resonant on the amateur band of interest. Expecting a tuner to compensate >> for a problem external to an antenna is unreasonable, IMO >> >> 73! >> >> Ken - K0PP >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jcolson7 at tampabay.rr.com Sun Mar 31 15:14:47 2019 From: jcolson7 at tampabay.rr.com (Jack Colson) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 15:14:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 has lost two WARC bands Message-ID: <14DB9748-4A75-4655-93DB-3074722F49AC@tampabay.rr.com> I can?t imagine what may have caused this, MCU version 5.66. 17 and 12 M bands do not come up. Help! 73, Jack, K3 s/n 1169 W3TMZ From donovanf at starpower.net Sun Mar 31 15:22:06 2019 From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 15:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 has lost two WARC bands In-Reply-To: <14DB9748-4A75-4655-93DB-3074722F49AC@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <1092767786.11145137.1554060126525.JavaMail.root@starpower.net> Hi Jack, You lost your settings for Config:BND MAP Once you?ve located BND MAP, use BAND UP/DN to select bands, and set them to IN or OUT using VFO A. 73 Frank W3LPL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Colson" To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 7:14:47 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 has lost two WARC bands I can?t imagine what may have caused this, MCU version 5.66. 17 and 12 M bands do not come up. Help! 73, Jack, K3 s/n 1169 W3TMZ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From mequarks at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 15:22:53 2019 From: mequarks at gmail.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 12:22:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 has lost two WARC bands In-Reply-To: <14DB9748-4A75-4655-93DB-3074722F49AC@tampabay.rr.com> References: <14DB9748-4A75-4655-93DB-3074722F49AC@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: Check your BND MAP config menu setting. Always keep beer in a dark place - Robert Heinlein mequarks at gmail.com [iPhone] > On Mar 31, 2019, at 12:14, Jack Colson wrote: > > I can?t imagine what may have caused this, MCU version 5.66. 17 and 12 M bands do not come up. > Help! > 73, Jack, K3 s/n 1169 W3TMZ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From KG3V at ChesBayVA.com Sun Mar 31 15:30:00 2019 From: KG3V at ChesBayVA.com (Tom KG3V) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 15:30:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-500 No Power out on 80 meters Message-ID: <3e2ac898-634e-6002-179f-99c8165f973c@ChesBayVA.com> I believe I have fried the 80 meter circuitry in my KPA-500. I am contacting Elecraft about possible repairs, but would also be interested in other's input. Here is what happened: I was using a multi-band antenna and the SWR was high on 80m. I use a KAT-500 with the Amp at all times. My (naive) thinking was that if the KAT-500 could successfully tune it, the Amp was safe. In the past, this seemed to have been the case. I use an IC-7600 and have the KEY line connected, as well as the PA KEY line between the Tuner and the Amp. Every time I changed frequencies on the 80 meter Band, I would TUNE before operating. At one point, I noticed "that smell" of hot components, and was then unable to transmit on 80 meters. In testing this morning, I get no output from the Amp on 80 meters only. All other Bands seem to be fine. I can use 80 meters with the Amp in Bypass mode, so I do not suspect a problem with the Tuner. Today, it continues to work fine on several other bands with full power output. Thanks for any suggestions 73, Tom, KG3V -- Get on the Air and make some noise Ham Blog at WWW.KG3V.COM --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From va3mw at portcredit.net Sun Mar 31 15:43:07 2019 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 15:43:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-500 No Power out on 80 meters In-Reply-To: <3e2ac898-634e-6002-179f-99c8165f973c@ChesBayVA.com> References: <3e2ac898-634e-6002-179f-99c8165f973c@ChesBayVA.com> Message-ID: Tom I did something similar on 6M, but I fixed it myself. 2 things. One, pull the logs off the Amp and that will tell the story. Next, you will have to open it up and see if you have burned anything in the LPF board. It will be pretty obvious. If you are ok with working on that, it is fixable. If not, you'll have to send it home for a repair. Mike va3mw On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 3:30 PM Tom KG3V wrote: > I believe I have fried the 80 meter circuitry in my KPA-500. I am > contacting Elecraft about possible repairs, but would also be interested > in other's input. Here is what happened: > > I was using a multi-band antenna and the SWR was high on 80m. I use a > KAT-500 with the Amp at all times. My (naive) thinking was that if the > KAT-500 could successfully tune it, the Amp was safe. In the past, this > seemed to have been the case. I use an IC-7600 and have the KEY line > connected, as well as the PA KEY line between the Tuner and the Amp. > Every time I changed frequencies on the 80 meter Band, I would TUNE > before operating. At one point, I noticed "that smell" of hot > components, and was then unable to transmit on 80 meters. > > In testing this morning, I get no output from the Amp on 80 meters only. > All other Bands seem to be fine. I can use 80 meters with the Amp in > Bypass mode, so I do not suspect a problem with the Tuner. Today, it > continues to work fine on several other bands with full power output. > > Thanks for any suggestions > > > 73, > > Tom, KG3V > > -- > Get on the Air and make some noise > Ham Blog at WWW.KG3V.COM > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From rlvz at aol.com Sun Mar 31 15:45:29 2019 From: rlvz at aol.com (RVZ) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 19:45:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3-New Feature request References: <1507743971.14101800.1554061529731.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1507743971.14101800.1554061529731@mail.yahoo.com> I really like the idea of adding the capability to the K3 that allows us to adjust the left and right channel volume.? Not only do some of us hear better out of one ear, but I've noticed that headphones and speakers don't always have equal output on the left and right channel.? This left and right channel volume control (balance adjustment) could be added to the Configuration Menu as it would probably be "adjust once and forget it" for most of us. Thanks Elecraft for allowing us to share our requests and for listening to them! 73, Dick- K9OM In a message dated 3/31/2019 3:26:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net writes: How about independent volume for left and right speaker. At my age, I >> hear better on one ear. I?d like to increase the volume on the other >> channel. WP4CW From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sun Mar 31 15:37:16 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 14:37:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 has lost two WARC bands In-Reply-To: <14DB9748-4A75-4655-93DB-3074722F49AC@tampabay.rr.com> References: <14DB9748-4A75-4655-93DB-3074722F49AC@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <9e23545b-84ce-188b-78cd-0d2831bb1b9b@blomand.net> Check the settings in CONFIG:? BND MAP??? Make sure they are set to IN for each band you use. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/31/2019 2:14 PM, Jack Colson wrote: > I can?t imagine what may have caused this, MCU version 5.66. 17 and 12 M bands do not come up. > Help! > 73, Jack, K3 s/n 1169 W3TMZ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 15:59:02 2019 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 16:59:02 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] radio and amplifier tuner In-Reply-To: <56BA41B0-D21D-4CF4-ADA5-4EA7B091A423@gmail.com> References: <56BA41B0-D21D-4CF4-ADA5-4EA7B091A423@gmail.com> Message-ID: thanks all for the feedback! 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W El dom., 31 mar. 2019 a las 13:52, Dave () escribi?: > Jorge, > > With the KPA1500 you do not use the radio internal tuner. > > Use the tuner built in the KPA1500. > > Dave wo2x > > Sent from my waxed string and tin cans. > > > On Mar 31, 2019, at 12:19 PM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM > wrote: > > > > Hello > > > > just to know how is the correct way to use tuner, for example on an > antenna > > that have SWR 2:1, I use the K3 internal antenna tuner to adjust it, and > > then I tune my amplifier (old tube amplifier) > > > > With the KPA1500, that have antenna tuner, how is the right way to use > > tuners on radio and amplifier > > > > May I use the K3 internal antenna tuner or not? > > > > thanks for the feedback > > > > -- > > 73, > > Jorge > > CX6VM/CW5W > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W From lists at subich.com Sun Mar 31 17:13:58 2019 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 17:13:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3-New Feature request In-Reply-To: <1507743971.14101800.1554061529731@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1507743971.14101800.1554061529731.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1507743971.14101800.1554061529731@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <572b4949-a80a-3c59-085f-8b1d1c24582c@subich.com> It's already there. Please refer to the K3/K3S Owner's Manual and look up CONFG:SUB AF. The user has the choice of using the SUB AF control as either an absolute gain control for SUB RX audio level or to balance the level between Main and Sub with the Main AF controlling the level of both. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2019-03-31 3:45 PM, RVZ via Elecraft wrote: > I really like the idea of adding the capability to the K3 that allows us to adjust the left and right channel volume.? Not only do some of us hear better out of one ear, but I've noticed that headphones and speakers don't always have equal output on the left and right channel.? This left and right channel volume control (balance adjustment) could be added to the Configuration Menu as it would probably be "adjust once and forget it" for most of us. > Thanks Elecraft for allowing us to share our requests and for listening to them! > 73, > Dick- K9OM > > In a message dated 3/31/2019 3:26:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net writes: > > How about independent volume for left and right speaker. At my age, I >> hear better on one ear. I?d like to increase the volume on the other >> channel. WP4CW > From brad.denison at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 17:47:11 2019 From: brad.denison at gmail.com (Brad Denison) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 17:47:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 XCVR FREQ Message-ID: I am noticing that with my KPA1500 connected to my K3S via the aux cable that XCVR FREQ always shows 0. All other functions between the rig and amp seem to work such as band changes and TX COUNT always shows the counted frequency. XCVR FREQ is a constant 0 so any ideas from the group on if I have missed a setting somewhere to ensure that this works. I am under the impression that the KPA1500 should be getting and displaying correct frequency info from teh K3S. Thanks, Brad From bill at wjschmidt.com Sun Mar 31 17:52:02 2019 From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 16:52:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-500 No Power out on 80 meters In-Reply-To: <3e2ac898-634e-6002-179f-99c8165f973c@ChesBayVA.com> References: <3e2ac898-634e-6002-179f-99c8165f973c@ChesBayVA.com> Message-ID: <0a0101d4e80b$f9e07c70$eda17550$@wjschmidt.com> This happened to me too on 40 meters with an antenna that was less than 2:1 SWR. There are a lot of factors that can impact the longevity of the parts in the amp... over voltage/ over current can happen depending on the components of the impedance. -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom KG3V Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 2:30 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-500 No Power out on 80 meters I believe I have fried the 80 meter circuitry in my KPA-500. I am contacting Elecraft about possible repairs, but would also be interested in other's input. Here is what happened: I was using a multi-band antenna and the SWR was high on 80m. I use a KAT-500 with the Amp at all times. My (naive) thinking was that if the KAT-500 could successfully tune it, the Amp was safe. In the past, this seemed to have been the case. I use an IC-7600 and have the KEY line connected, as well as the PA KEY line between the Tuner and the Amp. Every time I changed frequencies on the 80 meter Band, I would TUNE before operating. At one point, I noticed "that smell" of hot components, and was then unable to transmit on 80 meters. In testing this morning, I get no output from the Amp on 80 meters only. All other Bands seem to be fine. I can use 80 meters with the Amp in Bypass mode, so I do not suspect a problem with the Tuner. Today, it continues to work fine on several other bands with full power output. Thanks for any suggestions 73, Tom, KG3V -- Get on the Air and make some noise Ham Blog at WWW.KG3V.COM --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com From bwalt48 at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 17:56:16 2019 From: bwalt48 at gmail.com (B.) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 14:56:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Possibly dumb question... Message-ID: <005001d4e80c$911856d0$b3490470$@gmail.com> Hi Folks, I have been trying to find a way to "dump" or list out all the settings in my K3s for the MENU options as well as the settings for the CONFIG options without going through the front panel display and writing them all down. The reason is to be able to make the same settings on another K3s, again without having to sit and go through the settings one by one and write them down. I did use the K3s utility to make a configuration file and saved it but if I try to look at the file, I get what looks like gibberish and it is not easily interpreted. Maybe there is another program that can make the configuration file readable? Am I missing an easy way to do this? Is there something I have not found in the utility program that will do this? Is it possible to list the settings at all, other than the front panel? Thanks for the help. 73, Bob AD7Z From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Mar 31 18:00:09 2019 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 15:00:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Remote antenna tuner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 3/31/2019 9:13 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > If an antenna is showing a VSVR of 3:1, something about the situation > is wrong, and most likely it's -not- the antenna. Ever try to use a simple half-wave dipole from 3.5-4 MHz? There are ways to do it, but it takes effort. 73, Jim K9YC From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun Mar 31 18:03:53 2019 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 15:03:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Remote antenna tuner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I also disagree.? AM broadcast verticals are designed to achieve a desired pattern and main lobe elevation angle.? Over flat ground, 225 degrees will optimize the ground wave coverage.? However, higher powered stations will then suffer from self-interference at the coverage edges because the sky wave and ground wave interfere.? It's common to shorten the antenna a bit to perhaps 195 degrees or so which tends to reduce the self-interference.? Once the pattern and main lobe angle have been defined, the feed point is matched to the transmission line with an appropriate network.? Neither 225 degrees [5/8 wave] nor 195 degrees are resonant lengths and both require a matching network. Many hams do not have the luxury of resonant antennas on every band.? It seems perfectly reasonable to employ some sort of matching network to match the feed point to the coax on bands where it is not resonant AND/OR does not present a 50 ohm load to the coax and needing to do so does not imply there's something wrong with the antenna. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 3/31/2019 9:44 AM, W2xj wrote: > I would disagree. Most high power commercial operations use non-resonant mismatched antennas. Typically there is either a tuner at the antenna or open wire is used. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Mar 31, 2019, at 12:13 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: >> >> If an antenna is showing a VSVR of 3:1, something about the situation >> is wrong, and most likely it's -not- the antenna. Fix the problem ? feed >> the antenna power where it's resonant, assuming the antenna is actually >> resonant on the amateur band of interest. Expecting a tuner to compensate >> for a problem external to an antenna is unreasonable, IMO >> >> 73! >> >> Ken - K0PP >> From byron at n6nul.org Sun Mar 31 18:09:13 2019 From: byron at n6nul.org (Byron Servies) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 15:09:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Possibly dumb question... In-Reply-To: <005001d4e80c$911856d0$b3490470$@gmail.com> References: <005001d4e80c$911856d0$b3490470$@gmail.com> Message-ID: You can use the K3 utility from Elecraft to save the configuration to a file and load it to the second radio. Perhaps that would do the trick. 73, Byron N6NUL On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 2:56 PM B. wrote: > Hi Folks, > > > > I have been trying to find a way to "dump" or list out all the settings in > my K3s for the MENU options as well as the settings for the CONFIG options > without going through the front panel display and writing them all down. > > > > The reason is to be able to make the same settings on another K3s, again > without having to sit and go through the settings one by one and write them > down. I did use the K3s utility to make a configuration file and saved it > but if I try to look at the file, I get what looks like gibberish and it is > not easily interpreted. Maybe there is another program that can make the > configuration file readable? > > > > Am I missing an easy way to do this? Is there something I have not found in > the utility program that will do this? Is it possible to list the settings > at all, other than the front panel? > > > > Thanks for the help. > > 73, > > Bob > > AD7Z > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 5-6 Oct 2019 - www.cqp.org From W2xj at w2xj.net Sun Mar 31 18:27:04 2019 From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 18:27:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Remote antenna tuner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E150AAA-BDE3-4CB2-9554-5947DD076D6A@w2xj.net> Let me add that even a quarter wave vertical is rarely a perfect match. The 50 ohm point is almost never the same as the j0 point. HF broadcasters don?t even try for a match. Typically open wire line is used and the match is achieved at the transmitter output network. They pump up to 500KW into VSWRs over 2:1. Sent from my iPad > On Mar 31, 2019, at 6:03 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > > I also disagree. AM broadcast verticals are designed to achieve a desired pattern and main lobe elevation angle. Over flat ground, 225 degrees will optimize the ground wave coverage. However, higher powered stations will then suffer from self-interference at the coverage edges because the sky wave and ground wave interfere. It's common to shorten the antenna a bit to perhaps 195 degrees or so which tends to reduce the self-interference. Once the pattern and main lobe angle have been defined, the feed point is matched to the transmission line with an appropriate network. Neither 225 degrees [5/8 wave] nor 195 degrees are resonant lengths and both require a matching network. > > Many hams do not have the luxury of resonant antennas on every band. It seems perfectly reasonable to employ some sort of matching network to match the feed point to the coax on bands where it is not resonant AND/OR does not present a 50 ohm load to the coax and needing to do so does not imply there's something wrong with the antenna. > > 73, > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > >> On 3/31/2019 9:44 AM, W2xj wrote: >> I would disagree. Most high power commercial operations use non-resonant mismatched antennas. Typically there is either a tuner at the antenna or open wire is used. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 12:13 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: >>> >>> If an antenna is showing a VSVR of 3:1, something about the situation >>> is wrong, and most likely it's -not- the antenna. Fix the problem ? feed >>> the antenna power where it's resonant, assuming the antenna is actually >>> resonant on the amateur band of interest. Expecting a tuner to compensate >>> for a problem external to an antenna is unreasonable, IMO >>> >>> 73! >>> >>> Ken - K0PP >>> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun Mar 31 18:36:16 2019 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 15:36:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Possibly dumb question... In-Reply-To: References: <005001d4e80c$911856d0$b3490470$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sadly, I think the configuration files are keyed to the radio's serial number.? I believe one reason for this is the modular nature of Elecraft equipment, and attempting to load a config file that includes modules the target radio does not would probably lead to problems and lots of posts on this list. [:-)? Dick, of Elecraft Utility fame may be able to expound more concisely on the subject. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 3/31/2019 3:09 PM, Byron Servies wrote: > You can use the K3 utility from Elecraft to save the configuration to a > file and load it to the second radio. Perhaps that would do the trick. > > 73, Byron N6NUL > > On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 2:56 PM B. wrote: > >> Hi Folks, >> >> >> >> I have been trying to find a way to "dump" or list out all the settings in >> my K3s for the MENU options as well as the settings for the CONFIG options >> without going through the front panel display and writing them all down. >> >> >> >> The reason is to be able to make the same settings on another K3s, again >> without having to sit and go through the settings one by one and write them >> down. I did use the K3s utility to make a configuration file and saved it >> but if I try to look at the file, I get what looks like gibberish and it is >> not easily interpreted. Maybe there is another program that can make the >> configuration file readable? >> >> >> >> Am I missing an easy way to do this? Is there something I have not found in >> the utility program that will do this? Is it possible to list the settings >> at all, other than the front panel? >> >> >> >> Thanks for the help. >> >> 73, >> >> Bob >> >> AD7Z >> From wunder at wunderwood.org Sun Mar 31 19:07:38 2019 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 16:07:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Possibly dumb question... In-Reply-To: References: <005001d4e80c$911856d0$b3490470$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <88CBDC57-B4EF-42F4-9D5B-7FED14DFBD41@wunderwood.org> The config file includes compensation values for the devices in a specific radio. Loading it into a different radio would mean a serious realignment for that radio. This is a huge hole in the Elecraft utilities. It should be possible to save, load, and share the menu settings. I?ve lost count of the times someone has asked how to reset the rig to defaults and I?ve had to say ?Sorry, can?t do it.? Even better, think about a checklist for which values you would save or load. Someone could share a file with TX EQ and compression settings, for example. Then separately, share AGC settings. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Mar 31, 2019, at 3:36 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > > Sadly, I think the configuration files are keyed to the radio's serial number. I believe one reason for this is the modular nature of Elecraft equipment, and attempting to load a config file that includes modules the target radio does not would probably lead to problems and lots of posts on this list. [:-) Dick, of Elecraft Utility fame may be able to expound more concisely on the subject. > > 73, > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > > On 3/31/2019 3:09 PM, Byron Servies wrote: >> You can use the K3 utility from Elecraft to save the configuration to a >> file and load it to the second radio. Perhaps that would do the trick. >> >> 73, Byron N6NUL >> >> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 2:56 PM B. wrote: >> >>> Hi Folks, >>> >>> >>> >>> I have been trying to find a way to "dump" or list out all the settings in >>> my K3s for the MENU options as well as the settings for the CONFIG options >>> without going through the front panel display and writing them all down. >>> >>> >>> >>> The reason is to be able to make the same settings on another K3s, again >>> without having to sit and go through the settings one by one and write them >>> down. I did use the K3s utility to make a configuration file and saved it >>> but if I try to look at the file, I get what looks like gibberish and it is >>> not easily interpreted. Maybe there is another program that can make the >>> configuration file readable? >>> >>> >>> >>> Am I missing an easy way to do this? Is there something I have not found in >>> the utility program that will do this? Is it possible to list the settings >>> at all, other than the front panel? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks for the help. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> AD7Z >>> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Sun Mar 31 19:34:41 2019 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 19:34:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Possibly dumb question... In-Reply-To: <88CBDC57-B4EF-42F4-9D5B-7FED14DFBD41@wunderwood.org> References: <88CBDC57-B4EF-42F4-9D5B-7FED14DFBD41@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <6c7b57a4-3e79-28de-cba3-caa439799675@nycap.rr.com> When in doubt, carefully done notes with lots of comments - kept in a notebook - does wonders. Not only does it give you a backup, it gives you explanations of why you did what. Bill W2BLC From jim at n7us.net Sun Mar 31 18:54:25 2019 From: jim at n7us.net (Jim N7US) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 17:54:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Possibly dumb question... In-Reply-To: <005001d4e80c$911856d0$b3490470$@gmail.com> References: <005001d4e80c$911856d0$b3490470$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <028101d4e814$b66f89a0$234e9ce0$@n7us.net> VA2FSQ's Win4K3Suite can do that. https://va2fsq.com/ Jim N7US -----Original Message----- Hi Folks, I have been trying to find a way to "dump" or list out all the settings in my K3s for the MENU options as well as the settings for the CONFIG options without going through the front panel display and writing them all down. The reason is to be able to make the same settings on another K3s, again without having to sit and go through the settings one by one and write them down. I did use the K3s utility to make a configuration file and saved it but if I try to look at the file, I get what looks like gibberish and it is not easily interpreted. Maybe there is another program that can make the configuration file readable? Am I missing an easy way to do this? Is there something I have not found in the utility program that will do this? Is it possible to list the settings at all, other than the front panel? Thanks for the help. 73, Bob AD7Z From markmusick at outlook.com Sun Mar 31 19:52:31 2019 From: markmusick at outlook.com (Mark Musick) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 23:52:31 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Possibly dumb question... In-Reply-To: <88CBDC57-B4EF-42F4-9D5B-7FED14DFBD41@wunderwood.org> References: <005001d4e80c$911856d0$b3490470$@gmail.com> <88CBDC57-B4EF-42F4-9D5B-7FED14DFBD41@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: Don't hold me to this, but I believe there is a way to do it if you have Win4K3Suite. Win4K3Suite can read the menu settings from a K3. Not the gain and compensation values, but the menu items we would typically like to have in more than one radio like RX EQ, TX EQ, AGC SLP, AGC THR etc. Win4K3Suite allows you to save those settings to a file to be reloaded into the K3 later. Once you have saved the menu settings, I would think you could shut down Win4K3Suite, disconnect the USB cable from K3 number one and connect it to the second K3, bring Win4K3Suite back up and load that menu settings file to the second K3. Then save the configuration of the second K3. I do have Win4K3Suite. I have not tried this. But it would be interesting to try. I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than me will be able to shoot a hole in my theory. Tom, the author of Win4K3Suite probably can give us the answer off the top of his head. Mark Musick, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Walter Underwood Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 23:08 To: Elecraft mail list Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Possibly dumb question... The config file includes compensation values for the devices in a specific radio. Loading it into a different radio would mean a serious realignment for that radio. This is a huge hole in the Elecraft utilities. It should be possible to save, load, and share the menu settings. I?ve lost count of the times someone has asked how to reset the rig to defaults and I?ve had to say ?Sorry, can?t do it.? Even better, think about a checklist for which values you would save or load. Someone could share a file with TX EQ and compression settings, for example. Then separately, share AGC settings. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Mar 31, 2019, at 3:36 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > > Sadly, I think the configuration files are keyed to the radio's serial number. I believe one reason for this is the modular nature of Elecraft equipment, and attempting to load a config file that includes modules the target radio does not would probably lead to problems and lots of posts on this list. [:-) Dick, of Elecraft Utility fame may be able to expound more concisely on the subject. > > 73, > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > > On 3/31/2019 3:09 PM, Byron Servies wrote: >> You can use the K3 utility from Elecraft to save the configuration to >> a file and load it to the second radio. Perhaps that would do the trick. >> >> 73, Byron N6NUL >> >> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 2:56 PM B. wrote: >> >>> Hi Folks, >>> >>> >>> >>> I have been trying to find a way to "dump" or list out all the >>> settings in my K3s for the MENU options as well as the settings for >>> the CONFIG options without going through the front panel display and writing them all down. >>> >>> >>> >>> The reason is to be able to make the same settings on another K3s, >>> again without having to sit and go through the settings one by one >>> and write them down. I did use the K3s utility to make a >>> configuration file and saved it but if I try to look at the file, I >>> get what looks like gibberish and it is not easily interpreted. >>> Maybe there is another program that can make the configuration file readable? >>> >>> >>> >>> Am I missing an easy way to do this? Is there something I have not >>> found in the utility program that will do this? Is it possible to >>> list the settings at all, other than the front panel? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks for the help. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> AD7Z >>> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From markmusick at outlook.com Sun Mar 31 20:03:45 2019 From: markmusick at outlook.com (Mark Musick) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 00:03:45 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Possibly dumb question... In-Reply-To: <028101d4e814$b66f89a0$234e9ce0$@n7us.net> References: <005001d4e80c$911856d0$b3490470$@gmail.com> <028101d4e814$b66f89a0$234e9ce0$@n7us.net> Message-ID: Well, wait long enough or take to long thinking about it and someone who really knows the answer I gave will pop in and say "Yes, you can do that" before you do. HI Thanks Jim. I was pretty sure we could do that with Win4K3Suite. Have you done it? Mark, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Jim N7US Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 22:54 To: 'B.' ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Possibly dumb question... VA2FSQ's Win4K3Suite can do that. https://va2fsq.com/ Jim N7US -----Original Message----- Hi Folks, I have been trying to find a way to "dump" or list out all the settings in my K3s for the MENU options as well as the settings for the CONFIG options without going through the front panel display and writing them all down. The reason is to be able to make the same settings on another K3s, again without having to sit and go through the settings one by one and write them down. I did use the K3s utility to make a configuration file and saved it but if I try to look at the file, I get what looks like gibberish and it is not easily interpreted. Maybe there is another program that can make the configuration file readable? Am I missing an easy way to do this? Is there something I have not found in the utility program that will do this? Is it possible to list the settings at all, other than the front panel? Thanks for the help. 73, Bob AD7Z ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From hillslaird at internode.on.net Sun Mar 31 20:22:22 2019 From: hillslaird at internode.on.net (Kev Schache) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 10:52:22 +1030 Subject: [Elecraft] Possibly dumb question... In-Reply-To: References: <005001d4e80c$911856d0$b3490470$@gmail.com> <028101d4e814$b66f89a0$234e9ce0$@n7us.net> Message-ID: See page 45 and 46 Win4k3Suite Manual, Kev, VK5KS On 01-Apr-19 10:33 AM, Mark Musick wrote: > Well, wait long enough or take to long thinking about it and someone who really knows the answer I gave will pop in and say "Yes, you can do that" before you do. HI > Thanks Jim. > I was pretty sure we could do that with Win4K3Suite. > Have you done it? > > Mark, WB9CIF > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Jim N7US > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 22:54 > To: 'B.' ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Possibly dumb question... > > VA2FSQ's Win4K3Suite can do that. https://va2fsq.com/ > > Jim N7US > > -----Original Message----- > > > Hi Folks, > > > I have been trying to find a way to "dump" or list out all the settings in my K3s for the MENU options as well as the settings for the CONFIG options without going through the front panel display and writing them all down. > > The reason is to be able to make the same settings on another K3s, again without having to sit and go through the settings one by one and write them down. I did use the K3s utility to make a configuration file and saved it but if I try to look at the file, I get what looks like gibberish and it is not easily interpreted. Maybe there is another program that can make the configuration file readable? > > Am I missing an easy way to do this? Is there something I have not found in the utility program that will do this? Is it possible to list the settings at all, other than the front panel? > > Thanks for the help. > > 73, > > Bob > > AD7Z > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jim at n7us.net Sun Mar 31 21:00:10 2019 From: jim at n7us.net (Jim N7US) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 20:00:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Possibly dumb question... In-Reply-To: References: <005001d4e80c$911856d0$b3490470$@gmail.com> <028101d4e814$b66f89a0$234e9ce0$@n7us.net> Message-ID: <02c401d4e826$44b80960$ce281c20$@n7us.net> Win4K3Suite saves the configuration to an .XML file. I don't know if it can be loaded on a different radio or not. The items populate a screen, so a screenshot could be saved as well. I opened the .XML file as a table in Excel, but the screenshot would be more usable/readable as it has configuration items from the K3 programmer's manual. Jim N7US -----Original Message----- Well, wait long enough or take to long thinking about it and someone who really knows the answer I gave will pop in and say "Yes, you can do that" before you do. HI Thanks Jim. I was pretty sure we could do that with Win4K3Suite. Have you done it? Mark, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- VA2FSQ's Win4K3Suite can do that. https://va2fsq.com/ Jim N7US -----Original Message----- Hi Folks, I have been trying to find a way to "dump" or list out all the settings in my K3s for the MENU options as well as the settings for the CONFIG options without going through the front panel display and writing them all down. The reason is to be able to make the same settings on another K3s, again without having to sit and go through the settings one by one and write them down. I did use the K3s utility to make a configuration file and saved it but if I try to look at the file, I get what looks like gibberish and it is not easily interpreted. Maybe there is another program that can make the configuration file readable? Am I missing an easy way to do this? Is there something I have not found in the utility program that will do this? Is it possible to list the settings at all, other than the front panel? Thanks for the help. 73, Bob AD7Z This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From nr4c at widomaker.com Sun Mar 31 21:08:14 2019 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 21:08:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Possibly dumb question... In-Reply-To: <005001d4e80c$911856d0$b3490470$@gmail.com> References: <005001d4e80c$911856d0$b3490470$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56194A35-1ADA-4366-9E7E-21C6498E9A86@widomaker.com> No way to do this. Sorry. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 31, 2019, at 5:56 PM, B. wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > > > I have been trying to find a way to "dump" or list out all the settings in > my K3s for the MENU options as well as the settings for the CONFIG options > without going through the front panel display and writing them all down. > > > > The reason is to be able to make the same settings on another K3s, again > without having to sit and go through the settings one by one and write them > down. I did use the K3s utility to make a configuration file and saved it > but if I try to look at the file, I get what looks like gibberish and it is > not easily interpreted. Maybe there is another program that can make the > configuration file readable? > > > > Am I missing an easy way to do this? Is there something I have not found in > the utility program that will do this? Is it possible to list the settings > at all, other than the front panel? > > > > Thanks for the help. > > 73, > > Bob > > AD7Z > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sun Mar 31 21:12:26 2019 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 20:12:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Possibly dumb question... In-Reply-To: <56194A35-1ADA-4366-9E7E-21C6498E9A86@widomaker.com> References: <005001d4e80c$911856d0$b3490470$@gmail.com> <56194A35-1ADA-4366-9E7E-21C6498E9A86@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <5bf3934f-00d0-b3f4-ed75-505d714b29e9@blomand.net> I understand the configuration file saved by the K3 Utility is serialized for the specific radio.? To load or restore, the serial number in the file must match the serial number embedded in the radio. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/31/2019 8:08 PM, Nr4c wrote: > No way to do this. Sorry. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > >> On Mar 31, 2019, at 5:56 PM, B. wrote: >> >> Hi Folks, >> >> >> >> I have been trying to find a way to "dump" or list out all the settings in >> my K3s for the MENU options as well as the settings for the CONFIG options >> without going through the front panel display and writing them all down. >> >> >> >> The reason is to be able to make the same settings on another K3s, again >> without having to sit and go through the settings one by one and write them >> down. I did use the K3s utility to make a configuration file and saved it >> but if I try to look at the file, I get what looks like gibberish and it is >> not easily interpreted. Maybe there is another program that can make the >> configuration file readable? >> >> >> >> Am I missing an easy way to do this? Is there something I have not found in >> the utility program that will do this? Is it possible to list the settings >> at all, other than the front panel? >> >> >> >> Thanks for the help. >> >> 73, >> >> Bob >> >> AD7Z >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From kevinr at coho.net Sun Mar 31 21:54:43 2019 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 18:54:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report Message-ID: Good Evening, ?? QRM got out of hand on the second net.? I just cannot compete with those running power.? But, it is not about competition it's about finding out how you all are doing.? The biting flies are just beginning to dominate the landscape so I'm grumpy :)? (later in the year I'll be Sneazy)? The weather is so nice I want to be outside but they make life difficult.? Luckily I have a greenhouse to work in so I can be outside but still protected from their nastiness. ?? Twenty meters had a quiet band.? Both Roy and Mike had strong signals.? Mike had a few bars of QSB while Roy held steady.? They both mentioned using the KPA1500.? On forty meters we had an initially quiet band with all the calls sending simultaneously.? I was only able to copy the final V from out of the howl. ?? Spring is hitting parts of the US but AB9V mentioned a new snowfall.? Those south of me all mentioned sun followed by a rainy week.? I guess I'm the only one with the newly hatched biting flies.? Woo hoo!? I did see my first hummingbird this morning so tomorrow I'll start feeding them.? They are very late this year. But without bugs and flowers they can't maintain their busy lifestyle. ? On 14050 kHz at 2200z: K6XK - Roy - IA AB9V - Mike - IN ? On 7047 kHz at 0000z: K6PJV - Dale - CA K0DTJ - Brian - CA K4TO - Dave - KY W8OV - Dave - TX W6JHB - Jim - CA W0CZ - Ken - ND Until next week stay well, ?? 73, ????? Kevin.? KD5ONS - From torreym at q.com Sun Mar 31 22:05:20 2019 From: torreym at q.com (Torrey Mitchell) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 21:05:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 v. 2.10 References: <223371920.13884011.1554004649403.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <223371920.13884011.1554004649403@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000401d4e82f$5c7c8b80$1575a280$@q.com> My observations are similar. With 2.10, the LED peaks now consistently match the numerical readings on my LP-700 digital power meter, The blue LCD power readings no longer reflect PEAK power on sideband. Rather they go up & down in a blur and thus are unreadable. In key down tune operations, the LCD power numbers accurately match the LP-700. 73 Torrey N9PY (#52) -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Roy Morris, Jr. via Elecraft Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 10/22:57 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 v. 2.10 After loading v.2.10 the LEDs seem to show the correct power level at or near the 1500 watt level. At reduced power levels the LEDs stream faster but seem to also show the correct power level. The blue display window does not show the correct power level. It consistently shows a very low power level. Roy Morris W4WFB ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From scott.manthe at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 22:29:17 2019 From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 22:29:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 LCD cover cleaning Message-ID: <11794536-39ee-f9ba-45e6-5849b9aa86c4@gmail.com> I've got dust under the plexiglass LCD cover on my PX3. Since the 4 screws hold the circuit board to the front of the PX3, I'm wondering if taking those off to remove the PX3 plexiglass will cause the board to fall off the back of the front into the box? I can't remember if the side jacks will hold the board in place or not. I know it's a trivial process to open it up, but I'd prefer not to just to wipe some dust off the back of the plexiglass. I've built a KX3, a KPA500 and most of a K3 and am worried about the PX3 main board falling off the front of the enclosure... 73, Scott N9AA From softblue at windstream.net Sun Mar 31 22:29:22 2019 From: softblue at windstream.net (Dick Dickinson) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 22:29:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Possibly dumb question... Message-ID: <001001d4e832$b82ad290$288077b0$@windstream.net> K3_EZ might do the trick, but I can't get it to install anymore. Dick - KA5KKT From marvwheeler at nwlink.com Sun Mar 31 22:32:19 2019 From: marvwheeler at nwlink.com (marvwheeler at nwlink.com) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 19:32:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 LCD cover cleaning In-Reply-To: <11794536-39ee-f9ba-45e6-5849b9aa86c4@gmail.com> References: <11794536-39ee-f9ba-45e6-5849b9aa86c4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001d4e833$214e9040$63ebb0c0$@nwlink.com> Remove the screws and clean the plexi. Nothing untoward will happen. -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Scott Manthe Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 7:29 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 LCD cover cleaning I've got dust under the plexiglass LCD cover on my PX3. Since the 4 screws hold the circuit board to the front of the PX3, I'm wondering if taking those off to remove the PX3 plexiglass will cause the board to fall off the back of the front into the box? I can't remember if the side jacks will hold the board in place or not. I know it's a trivial process to open it up, but I'd prefer not to just to wipe some dust off the back of the plexiglass. I've built a KX3, a KPA500 and most of a K3 and am worried about the PX3 main board falling off the front of the enclosure... 73, Scott N9AA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From kg9hfrank at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 22:38:15 2019 From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 21:38:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KNB-1 wanted Message-ID: <10FB837F-DDE7-4E80-88D0-8A8AC7179626@gmail.com> Just curious if anyone has a KNB-1 (Noise Blanker for K1) laying around. I can use one for my K1. de Frank KG9H From 99sunset at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 22:47:23 2019 From: 99sunset at gmail.com (Steve Hall) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 22:47:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] No SSB net today? Message-ID: As there seems to be contests about every other week, I think we should just hold our net in any event. There should be room for all. Steve WM6P From bwalt48 at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 23:46:28 2019 From: bwalt48 at gmail.com (B.) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 20:46:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Possibly dumb question Message-ID: <013501d4e83d$7dbceed0$7936cc70$@gmail.com> Hi Folks, Thanks to all for the response to my question. While I do not intend to upload the configuration of one K3 to another, I do want to have the MENU and CONFIG information pulled from the radio. It appears that Win4K3suite will do this and I have downloaded the 30 day free trial version to play with and will go from there. Thanks again for the great information. This is a great list for the best radio I have ever owned. 73, Bob AD7Z