[Elecraft] OT a bit: K3 Ant Tuner

[David Gilbert]

I think you misread the situation.  The question isn't whether to put a 
single antenna tuner between the antenna and filter versus putting it 
between the rig and the filter.  The question is whether putting an 
ADDITIONAL tuner (the one internal to the K3) at the input of the filter 
is a good idea.  And to me it seems the answer is yes.

I think we all agree that the right feed impedance and load impedance 
for a filter is important.  And as I pointed out, not just for power 
handling, but also for the filter to actually filter as it was intended.

73,
Dave   AB7E

On 7/5/2019 10:18 AM, Mark Goldberg wrote:
> I could not let this go. I've done a lot of work with bandpass filters. The
> mismatch will degrade the filter.
>
> For an example, I used Elsie, which is a filter calculator. Using the
> example 20 Meter bandpass filter, the passband loss is about .25 dB with
> matched 50 ohms in and out. Changing the output impedance to 38+j12 (38
> ohms plus 135 nH inductor at 14.15 MHz, about 1.5:1 SWR), the passband
> losses increase to about 0.4 - .44 dB and vary more over the band.
>
> Here are the schematics and plots, anyone is welcome to check my
> calculations, as I do make mistakes!
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kj31IL_px6nVyRadW4nOi_c6FLgyaRyk/view?usp=sharing
>
> The loss in the filter will almost double. For 100W in, the loss goes from
> about 6W to about 10W. So, it is not a good idea. A worse match will result
> in even more losses, perhaps overheating and destroying the filter.
>
> 73,
>
> Mark
> W7MLG
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 8:32 AM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Rich,
>>
>> Yes and no.  With 2 antenna tuners in-line, there will be a bit more
>> loss due to inductor winding resistance, but other than that, it should
>> do harm.
>>
>> Several bandpass filters indicate that they should be between the rig
>> and the tuner (so the bandpass filters are not run at a high SWR).
>> If the power rating of the bandpass filter is marginal with respect to
>> the rig power, then I would observe that caution. Refer to the bandpass
>> filter specs.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 7/5/2019 10:57 AM, Rich wrote:
>>> To minimize emails direct replies would be nice.  I searched the web and
>>> could not find an answer.   I know there are a ton of smart folks on
>>> this list so I thought I would ask.
>>>
>>> On Field Day at typical setup is :
>>>
>>> K3 (or any radio) - bandpass filter -  External Antenna Tuner  - Antenna
>>>
>>> So the antenna was tuned via the external tuner, but saw a guy then
>>> using the K3 ant tuner to touch up the SWR between the radio and the
>>> bandpass filter.  Is that an acceptable practice?
>>>
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